Talk:Morse code/Archive 2

message: it would be nice to have american railroad code here as a table as well as international code. If I get to it I'll add it
: I think you'll find that this sort of thing has recently been given its own article at American Morse code --Nigelj 09:11, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: American railroad code

message: The article says that Morse code has five different "states" unlike binary, but I think it really does have two: on /off. If we call a 'dit' 1 and a roughly equal amount of silence 0, then SOS could be roughly 101010 111011101110 101010 (10 being a full 'dit', 1110 being a full 'dah')...more zeroes would be a longer pause. Hence, Morse code is a binary system depending on how you look at it...
I think maybe comparing it with binary in the article isn't so great an idea because, as I demonstrated, the interpretation is a bit subjective. --Furrykef 00:23, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is misleading to call morse code binary; however it is certainly a digital mode. --ssd 12:13, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I guess that isn't really Morse Code, is it? It's a written transcription of a spoken form of Morse. Encoded into bits, of course. Michael Geary 04:26, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Binary

message: This original research has been removed. Maybe there is a place for it? If not, it should be posted on another site and we can link to it. — Omegatron 14:03, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that a clever way of explaining something that is otherwise verifiable, or making it easy to remember should be counted as original research, but I agree it is probably too long for this article. I think a Wikibook on Learning Morse Code might be an appropriate place and a worth while project. I also have a graphic I made a while back that I would be glad to contribute:  --agr 17:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Reviewing this talk article, I cannot help but wonder if there is in fact some truth in the above Mnemonic to learn morse code. In the Fifth Volume of "The Family Creative Workshop", Cryptopgraphy Section, it states that Morse devised a similiar method learning morse code, albiet with different words as to associate with the "di" and "dahs" with the long and short syllables of words. Below is a listing of those words.
 A  .-     Ag-ainst
 B  -...    Bar-ba-ri-an
 C  -.-.    Cont-in-ent-al
 D  -..    Dah-li-a
 E  .     (short)
 F  ..-.    Fu-ri-ous-ly
 G  --.    Gal-lant-ly
 H  ....    Hu-mi-li-ty
 I  ..     I-vy
 J  .---    Ju-ris-dic-tion 
 K  -.-    Kan-ga-roo
 L  .-..    Le-gis-la-tor
 M  --     Moun-tain
 N  -.     Nob-le
 O  ---    Off-ens-ive
 P  .--.    Pho-tog-rap-her
 Q  --.-    Queen Kath-a-rine
 R  .-.    Re-becc-a
 S  ...    Se-ver-al
 T  -     Tea
 U  ..-    Uniform
 V  ...-    Ve-ry va-ried
 W  .--    Wa-ter-loo
 X  -..-    Ex-hi-bi-tion 
 Y  -.--    Youth-ful and Fair
 Z  --..    (two long, two short)
Any truth to this? --Caesius 17:37, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, I found the mnemonics on this page to be practically useless. It seems more difficult to learn the mnemonics than to just learn morse code. The mnemonics listed are interesting at best, but presenting them in this article almost makes it seem like they are the end-all-be-all of mnemonics for learning morse code when in fact if someone tried applying this mneomic while trying to learn and copy code they would probably be bumped down to 2 WPM. Phauge 05:31, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. As I intended my examples above to illustrate last year, they have to be extremly personal to work. A huge bold table like we have in the article is way too prescriptive and by placing it there it seems to carry way too much authority. Editors are just going to disagree about its details forever, and it'll always be worthless to an encyclopedia reader. I'll (boldly) delete it soon, I think, unless there are very good objections. If anyone wants a copy for WikiBooks or some other use, you can find it in the history of the article. --Nigelj 14:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about a new article that highlights various morse mnemonics? I think the information is valid and belongs somewhere... I just don't think this article is the place. This isn't the first mnemonic I have seen for learning morse code. (http://www.learnmorsecode.com/) (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ibex_systems/amateur.htm). Phauge 02:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is useful to have, either here or in a linked article. But it should probably be made clear that these are just examples and is not comprehensive of every possibility. Or how about setting up the table to support multiple mnemonics? The mention about edits is correct though... for example, I see that someone tried to change "NEW or-leans" (which has basicly no google hits outside of wikipedia-sourced links) to "Dog did-it" (which has a ton of hits). I say "tried to change", because someone reverted the change, with no explaination. Mrand 14:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mnemonic Devices 

message: What happened to the history portion of this article? One of my first contributions to Wikipedia was to this article under the history heading, but it seems like now it is gone. Was it moved? I find this article in whole very interesting. Although not a HAM, I have been a fan of Morse for quite some time. Keep up the good work! Phauge 14:30, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was moved to American Morse code. — Omegatron 01:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History Removed?

message: The image gives the inter-word space as 5 units. Everything else that I have read on International Morse code says 7, even the article itself (). Given that the chart is labeled as a 1922 chart, things might have changed, but surely a warning would be advisable.
Also, this article is the first I have read of a distinct inter-sentence space in Morse. I'm very interested at a personal level in references for a distinct inter-sentence space in International Morse Code.
[Forgot to sign previous] Fagricipni 22:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inter-word and Inter-sentence Spacing 

message: There are 13 ASCII characters that can't be represented in Morse Code:
* Number sign [#]
* Percent sign [%]
* Asterisk [*]
* Angle brackets <>
* Square brackets []
* Backslash [\]
* Caret [^]
* Curly braces {}
* Vertical bar [|]
* Tilde [~]
If one wanted to send one of these symbols by Morse Code, how would one do it? --  Denelson83  04:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may also notice that Morse code doesn't support case. It just isn't ASCII Compliant and that's the way it is. Anonym1ty 15:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: If you want to send ':)', send 'hi hi' instead.--Nigelj 15:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full [[ASCII]] compliance? 

message: I can't seem to find any information on the types of keyers available. There is a picture of an Iambic keyer, and "the other kind" but this article doesn't make clear the differences. Is it just an ergonomics thing? Phauge 05:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keyer types 

message: What hath god wrought?
Did the original message sent by Sam Morse include a quesiton mark? or was it simply "WHAT HATH GOD WROUGHT" leaving the punctuation to be added by Vail when he received the message? Phauge 02:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My question has been answered. The original message did not contain a quesiton mark when it was first transmitted. I feel better about this, don't you? Phauge 06:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What hath god wrought? 

message: I just rolled several tables into one for the sake of space and "cleanliness". I can't tell if it is better or worse. Your thoughts? Revert if it stinks, but hopefully you see that my intentions are to tighten up the article. Phauge 20:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables 

message: I'm interested in the image on the Morse Code page of the "1922 Chart of the Morse Code Letters and Numerals." I don't see any information however about where the image was sourced. Does anyone have bibliographic information about where it was published, etc.?
Thanks.
:On the image page, it states the following: "Originally appeared on page 96 of Radio Receiving for Beginners, Rhey T. Snodgrass and Victor F. Camp, copyright 1922 by The MacMillan Company, New York." I hope that helps. Phauge 19:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1922 Chart of the Morse Code Image 

message: Based on the dichotomic search table, I created a high-res PNG tree to illustrate the data on the table a little more clearly. However, I duplicated the first image file by uploading a second and a third one, as I was unable to perform an update on the first then the second. Can you help me update the first from the third then get rid of the second and third images? If it was all confusing have a look at my user talk page.
BTW, I am new to this.
Aris00 23:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate display of common characters, diagram added 

message: The table currently has a layout error. I think it needs to be fixed and changed into a wiki table. --Kjoonlee 12:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. I see it, but I can't seem to fix it. I created the table by using Excel. It looks like it pasted pretty poorly and is now almost impossible to edit. Help! Phauge 05:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now been converted. I tried to be careful, but could you double-check it for errors, please? --Kjoonlee 07:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks good, but I am in no position to check it for accuracy. Also, nice work on adding the unsourced tag. I couldn't for the life of me remember what the text for that tag was, but I knew it had to be there after Lou addedd all the citation tags. Phauge 17:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I haven't messed up the codes. :) However, I wanted people to double-check the codes because the code for "Parentheses closed" was added by an anonymous editor.  Is it verifiable from other sources? --Kjoonlee 17:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following website has the same code for open and closed parenthesis. I think we're in good shape. http://home.alltel.net/johnshan/cw_ss_list_punc.html Phauge 18:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of codes 

message: Both of these sections seem quite silly to me. The dichomotic chart is used by some to actually learn or understand code, but usually turns out to be useless. Move or remove? The sample conversation seems like it would be better suited on the Ham Radio article to show how people still converse in morse code on the air waves. Does it really belong here? I don't know. I've done a lot of work to try and tighten up this article and these two sections always bugged me. Comments? Phauge 18:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dichotomic Search and Sample Conversation 

message: Just a question - why does (extended) Morse code have some of the Esperanto alphabet, but not the whole thing? --π! 05:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because it wasn't designed for Esperanto. Which charaters in Esperanto are missing? The table appears to reference all the needed characters. --WikiTraveller 23:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this link, Esperanto Morse code is actually standardized. --  Denelson83  05:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete Esperanto 

message: MaxHund has added Train whistle (Whistle Code) and Train horn (Common Horn Signals) to the See Also section. These have absolutely nothing to do with Morse Code and perhaps should be deleted.Dsergeant 11:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Consider them nuked. PMHauge 17:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Train Whistle Code