Talk:XM Satellite Radio

message: What method of modulation does XM use?  Is it the same as Sirius?  What does Sirius use?  I'm assuming it's some kind of pulse code modulation, but I would like specifics.
129.186.159.115 (talk) 19:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Modulation Method

message: I have suggested and tagged XM satellite radio footprints for merging with this article. I did a little rewriting and reformatting of the article to make it fit in a little better as a section, however, it may still require a little bit of cleanup, as I am a new to wikipedia. If no one disagrees, I'll go ahead and attempt the merge. BTW, when I'm suggesting a merge, should I tag this page as well, or is the source page being tagged enough?  Thanks   Agonizing Fury 22:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input, I will ensure that any information that is either redundant, or conflicting with other information in this article does not get merged. That is the main reason I wanted to merge the article as it is mostly redundant or conflicting. I just didn't want to completely strip the article of all information when I rewrote it, in case the merge was frowned upon by others in the community. Since this is not a very busy page I'll wait another 24 hours or so before merging, and do a little more research into some of the facts before I merge it. Thanks again Agonizing Fury 11:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge [[XM satellite radio footprints]] into Article

message: I have a question: I would like to know why using only one transponder in the XM-1 and XM-2 satellites (covered in the "Technology" section of this article) will rectify the shortening of the life of these satellites from 15 years to only 6 years.  From what I read, the satellites suffer from a solar concentrator fogging problem.  I can guess that perhaps it "strains" the batteries somehow to use more than a single transponder to compensate for this shortage, which would mean that using two satellites with one transponder each might possibly double the life of the batteries.  (I gather that XM-3 ("Rhythm") is supposed to help compensate by moving into XM-2's old spot.)  But this proposed explanation is ONLY a guess. I would like a firmer answer.
Also, what are XM's plans to follow up on its XM-4?  Is there an XM-5?  Are there going to be satellites that will replace the current constellation of three satellites (XM-1, -2, and -3)?  Since -4 ("Roll") is apparently a ground spare, what is purpose is XM-5 going to serve?  What happens when the six-to-fifteen (depending on contingencies) year lifetimes of XM-1, -2 and -3 are up?
* XM-4 was just launched and is now live.  XM-1 and XM-2 are now both powered-off as in-orbit spares with XM-3 and XM-4 as the only active birds.  The article has been updated to this effect.  XM-5 is in the works as a ground-spare, like XM-3 was before it was launched due to the predicted pre-mature failure of XM-1 and XM-2. It is to be built by Space Systems/Loral however, rather than Boeing.  74.70.48.140 01:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: XM Transponder/satellite questions

message: I believe that the external link XMLiving.com, which was added by 71.49.138.36 is an advertisement for a commercial product, is inappropriate for Wikipedia, and should be removed.  Do others agree?  Joe 14:27, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove external link?

message: "As of October 2005, XM leads Sirius Satellite Radio in subscriptions in the U.S. satellite radio market with over 6 million suscribers."
As of 1/1/06, though XM's official guidance was that they expected more than 6 million subscribers by the end of 2005, they have not officially announced the numbers for 05, and certainly not back in October.
*However, they did release this press release indicating that they are over the 6 million mark. Next time, please sign your comments with four tildes (~) Ajwebb 02:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 6 million subscribers?

message: "XM is currently the only sattelite radio service to offer true mobile services, utilizing the built in antenna in its MyFi to transmit a live satellite signal to Ipod sized battery operated devices."
What does this mean?
*it means xm is the only satellite radio service with a portable device.--IAMTHEPEOPLESCHAMP 22:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: true mobile services

message: There's no mention of XM being solely a brand name, which I'm assuming is the case as a pun on AM (Amplitude modulation) and FM (Frequency modulation) radio, i.e. "XM" doesn't mean anything (Am I correct?). Nagelfar 04:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: XM solely brand name

message: In both the first section of the article and in the infobox it states that American Mobile Radio Corporation was founded in 1992.  But in the timeline it states that it was founded in 1988.  Which one is correct?--XMBRIAN 19:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct year of founding?

message: The footprint for XM coverage obviously includes Cuba. Are they allowed to listen in cuba?--C5mjohn 08:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: XM Radio in cuba

message: There has been a debate about the external links, specifically if they should mention how many members each site has.  I don't think it's relevant at all. This article isn't about the fan sites, it's about XM.  How does listing the number of members XM411 vs XMFan has matter?  In fact WP:EL suggests that one major fansite should be enough.  We list 6.  I would suggest we clean that up if possible, but if not, let's at least keep the links short and relevant. --Bill.matthews 22:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold, right?  I just cleaned up that section of external links.  Cut it down to two (the big names: XM411 and XMFan) and got rid of the member count.  -seinman 23:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree. The member count validates the usefulness of the site theirfore the usefulness of the links. XM411 had their entry deleted which described the site and gave actual numbers. Since we can't prove usefulness/relevance of the site in its own entry I suggest we validate that info here. Rrude 15:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: How does the number of members validate the usefulness of the site?  How many members does it take before a site is useful?  -- Coneslayer 15:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: I would be willing to help with edits to a page on Wxworx if anyone is interested in such a thing.  I have several marine units now and I can post screen shots or whatever.  BUT just as a disclaimer I am a dealer for the marine weather receivers. Monkey 32606 20:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WxWorx

message: XM announced that their subscriber total is now up to 7,627,873. Right now on the page it's showing the number still at 7 million. Here's a link to Orbitcast where they have an updated graph for subscriber numbers. http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/a-look-at-sirius-xm-subscribers-in-2006.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Art10 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Update Subscribers Numbers

message: (In spite of titles...)
165.154.46.240 00:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So?  The reference is backing up a claim that XM is usable in Mexico.  Whether it works in Hawai'i is not consequential, and the title has no bearing on the article content. -- Huntster T • @ • C 00:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Did you not see that it was a reference to a particular topic in the article?  It really isn't uncommon for references to be mainly about a completely different topic than the article, with only a particular mention somewhere in the body.  Clarity isn't really the point of the reference title, only the contents therein. Hope that makes sense.  -- Huntster T • @ • C 06:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ref. 3 more about Mexico than Hawaii

message: I understand that promoting the stores is not allowed in Wikipedia, but the information given by these sites may be of vaule to the end user, which is the reason this website is maintained.  TravKoolBreeze 06:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the same thing when someone deleted the links I put in to the two forum sites. Then I realized that I found them in a few seconds with a Google search, so the links aren't really necessary. TomXP411 06:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: To clarify, I'd rather have the links there than not there. Those sites are very informative: I found out a lot about XM that I didn't know before I signed up for the service; in fact, if I'd visited one of those forums before I got a SkyFi, I might have purchased a different radio instead. Both sites contain a lot of useful information, and since the two have different policies regarding what can and can't be talked about, they're both necessary. (XM411, for example, "tows the company line" when it comes to discussion about radio mods or third party software.) Rather than remove them both as spam, perhaps editors could actually look at the sites and see what they contain. TomXP411 06:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Now that I read WP:EL I see that the forum links are not appropriate. They should stay deleted. Please don't put them back in, Trav.TomXP411 06:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Lots of sites have reviews and interviews, Wikipedia is not here to replace Google. BJTalk 06:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, they are quite relevant.  #10 states that message boards/forums should be avoided.  #11 says that personal blogs and sites should be avoided, a category into which most fansites fall.  #13 mentions that "Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject" should not be used, which basically also means to avoid fansites because they don't have a direct connection to the subject material (read that point and you'll see what it's talking about).  I really don't know how it could be any clearer. -- Huntster T • @ • C 07:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then a lot of pages will have to be edited on wikipedia for this error.  So a link has to be follow all thirteeen rulls to be helpful for the user?  I'm sorry but I look out for the user first.  Four links will not bring down the website.  Also,WP:EL says links to normally be avoid, thus meaning it always applies. TravKoolBreeze 14:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These guidelines were put into place to prevent editors from going nuts and placing many, many links to their favourite sites.  It is simply good policy to leave it be...to allow only official websites or news articles here.  As someone said above, we aren't here to replace Google. -- Huntster T • @ • C 14:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: "Then a lot of pages will have to be edited on wikipedia for this error." That's correct, and that's why WikiProject Spam exists. Just because a policy requires tedious edits to a large number of pages does not make that policy any less important. Guidelines are in place to look out for the users as well. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 15:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unofficial sites

message: So far, I've seen these sites added and deleted 3 times in the last few days.
They are definitely useful sites, however they're being deleted under WP:EL, specifically Links to be avoided, #10 - forums. We need to build a consensus on this, before someone slaps a protect on this page. I'm back and forth myself on the issue: I tend to mostly use the forums on both sites, so I think of them mostly as a forum. However, there is a lot of useful information there, as well. I've discovered things there that I never would have found out through official channels. For example, I discovered the PCR and the XM Direct there: In fact, I'm using an XM direct now, and with a homebrew cable and sofware I've created, I record news, talk shows, and radio dramas to listen to on my time schedule.
I'm proposing that we decide whether to Keep the links to XMFan and XM411, based on the fact that they're useful, or that we Delete, based on WP:EL. We should post a comment in the page to let future people know what's going on and prevent further edit wars. I'll start -TomXP411 19:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a democracy.  These links are being deleted per #10, 11, and 13, which, as stated above, covers everything from forums to unofficial websites.  Per these points, the links are being removed. -- Huntster T • @ • C 19:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If we can settle this once and for all, perhaps we can end the edit wars. Otherwise, you'll be in here every 3 days deleting links that someone else will re-create 2 days later. I didn't start this to keep the links. I started this to settle the issue. I don't agree that 10 applies, since the site is not just a forum. I also don't see that those are blogs, since a blog is usually a personal journal, not a public news page (although some people use blog software to publish news). Re 13, you could argue that the page is not symetrically related, meaning that while these sites point to XM.com, XM.com doesn't link to those sites. However, What Should Be linked #3 and 4 both apply. In fact, since XM's own web site is pretty limited in terms of real information (in fact, a lot of things have dissapeared from the official site, such as drivers and software for the PCR), the only place to get info on some of these things, like the PCR or the XM Direct, is through unofficial sites. Would you deny useful information on the basis if it being a "fan" site, or leave the links in on the weight of their meaningful and relevant content? -TomXP411 20:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, actually, I would deny these things because we aren't here to replace Google.  Not to mention, isn't the whole PCR thing less-than-legal (considering the 3rd party vendors were receiving cease-and-desist letters?).  We shouldn't be acting as an agent to subverting legitiment business.  Also, "What to link" #3 don't really apply, since XM targeted fansites cannot be considered neutral.  I really don't think 4 necessarily applies either, but I'm going to leave that one alone.  The primary problem is, as stated above, how can one fansite be considered valuable enough for inclusion, yet another one isn't?  The best policy is to remove all fansites to keep things more fair. -- Huntster T • @ • C 21:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, this isn't Google. But what's the point of a links section if not to give more information about something? The "official" information about XM is sorely lacking and doesn't cover much in terms of what real people think. If someone was considering buying an XM receiver, I'd hate to point them to the XM web site and say "here you go". They need more research than that. As to the PCR: The PCR is a product that can still be purchased secondhand, and there is nothing illegal about software that replaces the control software included with the PCR (nothing in copyright law precludes one from writing their own drivers for a piece of hardware). The only questionable action was distributing recording capable software, such as TimeTrax. Those aren't the only two XM fan sites, but they're the biggest and most complete. Just about any search for a topic involving XM radio turns up one or both of those sites.
*Keep: XMFan and XM411 both provide news and useful information that doesn't come to light through the official company page, such as hardware reviews, news, and installation tips. -TomXP411 19:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Playing Devil's advocate: can you point to some bands where the fan sites are listed AND there has been discussion on whether or not to keep the site? I'd like to see the policies used in making that decision. Thanks. :)  -- TomXP411[Talk] 06:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that Tom.  I should also point out that just because another article does something, it doesn't automatically make it correct ;)  I have posted something about this on the Village Pump asking for outside advice (link), so hopefully someone will respond. -- Huntster T • @ • C 08:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The problem with a note in the section is that very few people will listen to it.  It's been tried elsewhere, and people simply remove it and add whatever they want.  The only thing that works is diligent patrolling.  Personally, I fully believe in the "NOT a directory" ideal, that only "official" sites should be included as a jumping off point.  -- Huntster T • @ • C 09:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It seems that the partially protected status has at least stopped the vandalism. Seeing as both sites are easily discoverble with Google, I think we've hashed this out about as far as it's going to go.  -- TomXP411[Talk] 15:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: XM411 and XMFan

message: While reports from ABC News ans the NY Post has said there is a merger, neither company has officially stated it.  This should be mentioned as reports has the tendency of falling a part. TravKoolBreeze 19:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As soon as I say that, a press release from XM is issued. TravKoolBreeze 19:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch, I just noticed a blurb about this on TV a few minutes ago.  I had thought the FCC declined the possibility of a merger...interesting. -- Huntster T • @ • C 22:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger Talk

message: I added a detailed treatment of the bandwidth allocation scheme using information from patent number 7075946.  --KJRehberg 16:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Added a treatment of the bandwidth allocation scheme

message: What XM radio is is the experience of listening to it, of having the 120 channels to listen to.
It appears to me that the contributors to the article so far felt that everything about XM radio was important to include, except what it is.
If anyone happens to subscribe to this service and would like to describe what it is -- so that someone reading the article will actually have some idea of what the article is about -- I am sure that future readers of the article will be immeasurably grateful.  
It's so much more fun to know what an article is about than to read megabytes of information without a clue to what the information applies to.Daqu 02:17, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That type of description is rather subjective.  While I agree that there's no point in getting satellite radio if not for the quality and quantity of material, this article aims to describe not only the service itself but the company behind the name and all appropriate aspects of the brand name.  Just boiling it all down to "XM is what it is due to the experience of listening to it" simply doesn't cut it. -- Huntster T • @ • C 03:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:NPOV mandates that WE NOT described "what it is" via some subjective listener experiential description. David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 22:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I never intended the description I requested to be subjective.  But if you don't think that an encyclopedia article should describe its topic, then you and I must have totally different concepts of what an encyclopedia is.Daqu 00:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How on earth does the article not describe what the subject is about?  I'm completely failing to see this. -- Huntster T • @ • C 01:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please someone add what XM radio is

message: Probably not relevant for the article, but I'm SOOOOO happy to hear Sirius and XM will merge. I just bought an Acura which has an XM-compat radio. My Yamaha home receiver is XM-ready. I never subscribed as I really, really want NPR. Has anyone found reliable sources of info on the proposed effect on channel lineup that the merger proposes? TIA, David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 22:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen nothing regarding proposed lineups, but the company chiefs are promising that content will be combined into a unique lineup (link), though apparently a possibility exists for both systems being playable on existing radios (link), though this is dependent on a theoretical firmware update. I'd guess it'll be several more months before such lineup information becomes available, and even then, probably would not be wise to include it here until firm data exists. -- Huntster T • @ • C 22:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Effect on channels by merger with Sirius?

message: The PR reference is of feb. 07, not Dec. 07 to 08... i think it may be outdated, can anyone update this possiable FCC leagal debacle confermation for merger? -67.160.127.140 (talk) 07:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See reply at Talk:Sirius Satellite Radio#XM-Sirus Merger. -- Huntster T • @ • C 12:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: XM-Sirus Merger

message: I removed the tag that had been added regarding length of this article as the readable prose is 22K - well with guidelines.  See WP:SIZE. I see no discussion here of the article's size. Tvoz/talk 18:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "too long" tag

message: This description of customer care is debatable, equally positive ratings could be sourced, and serves no purpose but to disparage XM and should be removed.Sresendez (talk) 16:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As I thought I (or someone else) told you ten days ago, you are welcome to locate such material--carefully applying the standards of WP:V, WP:N, WP:NOR, and WP:RS--and propose it be added to the article. Thank you, BTW, for not attempting to delete material with which you disagree, as you did a while back! — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 16:48, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Customer Service 

message: Is it possible to map your coverage for subscribers, as I have traveled several places here in the 
U.S. and find that coverage is weak or non existent. I recently went to Aruba and thought I could
get coverage there as well, but no luck. Just map your coverage as changes happen from weak to
strong, and in the U.S. if that is the only broadcasting you offer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpowestphilly (talk • contribs) 15:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map your territory  

message: "Monthly packages start at US$12.95/month with add-on "family" radios at US$8.99/month."
The price has increased to US$14.49/month for basic in 2011http://www.siriusxm.com/keeplistening. As the article was outdated, I was wondering if I should replace the misguiding price with the correct one, or keep the old price and write a sentence with the new price. 
Rohin12345 (talk) 23:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
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message: A lot of the article is written in past tense. Ex: “The XM radio signal was broadcast on 6 separate radio carriers within the 12.5 MHz allocation”, and “The entire content of the radio service, including both data and audio content, was represented by only two carriers.”
To the best of my knowledge, XM and Sirius still broadcast separate systems. Shouldn't all of the discussion about broadcasting, therefore be in the present tense? Mike Richardson (talk) 20:58, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally second this. I just looked up the article for information and the use of the past tense was very misleading. It should be fixed by rewriting it using present tense. Matthieu Houriet (talk) 22:11, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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