Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association

message: User:BeFriendlyGoodSir and I have been talking about changes needed at the listing at List of NBA awards. Basically we were thinking about in season awards NBA Player of the month, Coach of the month, Player of the Week and Rookie of the Month seem to all be official NBA awards that we don't list or even have articles for. In addition, the NBA CUP MVP seems like it is official enough to be listed in that infobox. Thoughts?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: They are mentioned separately in each NBA season's article (see 2023–24 NBA season#Players of the Week) but not in List of NBA awards as you say. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Infoboxes are meant to be a summary of the prose. I don't think the monthly awards are mentioned at the prose at all. Howard the Duck (talk) 06:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

text: The lead sentence currently limits the scope to annual awards, similar to List of Major League Baseball awards.  Do sources talk about all the historical winners collectively, as opposed to only mentioning them for a given season?  —Bagumba (talk) 07:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Major League Baseball awards#Reliever of the Year mentions Reliever of the Month Award and now-defunct Delivery Man of the Month Award which have their own articles. Also, MLB also has Major League Baseball Rookie of the Month Award, Major League Baseball Pitcher of the Month Award, and Major League Baseball Player of the Month Award.- BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Basketball Reference POTM list,  Basketball Reference POTW list, Basketball Reference ROTM list, Basketball Reference COTM list. RS sources to support? I found many RS for winners in a given month. Haven't looked for RS on historical winners collectively. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Stat sites are typically not used to establish notability. WP:LISTN needs to be met.—Bagumba (talk) 01:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Jayson Tatum named Eastern Conference Player of the Month after leading Celtics to 9-1 record in February, The Most Player Of The Month Awards: LeBron Has More Than Kobe And Jordan Combined, LeBron James Is Undoubtedly The NBA’s Player Of The Decade. No One Else Is Even Close., Mavs' Luka Doncic Named February's Western Conference Player of Month BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 03:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: What does LeBron do with all those Player of the Month awards? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 03:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Every NBA Eastern and Western Conference Player of the Week award for 2023-24 - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 03:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are some sources I found. I don't see any collective historical winner list that includes ALL of them from a single RS. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 03:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: But I did find annual breakdowns of POTM and POTW records if that is enough? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 03:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Mosts of those sites are amateurish and bloggy and not what I consider reliable (Fansided, Fan Network, SB Nation). Also, WP:LISTN requires that the group be discussed, not just mention of one person winning.  —Bagumba (talk) 03:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like those MLB of the Month records should be AfD'd then. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 04:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Namely, Major League Baseball Player of the Week Award, Major League Baseball Rookie of the Month Award, Major League Baseball Pitcher of the Month Award, Major League Baseball Player of the Month Award, Major League Baseball Reliever of the Year Award, Delivery Man of the Month Award - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 04:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Major League Baseball Reliever of the Year Award seems ok. —Bagumba (talk) 05:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Typo. meant to say Major League Baseball Reliever of the Month Award - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 04:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

text: It could be a good litmus test. —Bagumba (talk) 05:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

text: @TonyTheTiger, turns out NBA Rookie of the Month Award already exists and was created in 2009. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is fair to say if POTM, POTW, or COTM were created, they would likely remain up. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I would create it myself if I was confident that it will stay up. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 01:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of NBA awards]] 

message: List of NBA players born outside the United States (formerly named ) strangely now lists some players born in the US. Go figure.—Bagumba (talk) 05:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As I recall, the article used to be more focused on nationality than birthplace. The article was moved due to concerns over the term "foreign," but the actual scope of the page is still poorly defined. I do think birthplaces are a more practical focus. We certainly shouldn't be including guys like Matt Costello, who was born in the US and became naturalized to play for Cote D'Ivoire years after his cup of coffee in the NBA. Zagalejo (talk) 04:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: People have only one birthplace, which avoids the unwieldy nationality and incorrect assumptions about which countries have jus soli and players with dual citizenship.  One caveat is that the NBA never counted players born overseas to US military parents. There's enough articles talking about non-US players to meet WP:LISTN, and then grouping by birthplace is an editorial content decision.—Bagumba (talk) 04:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the NBA still have a master list of who they consider to be "international" players? Back in the day, the book version of the Official NBA Encyclopedia listed everyone by country, but that only went up to the year 2000 or thereabouts. I doubt we'll ever see a new edition of that book. Zagalejo (talk) 18:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: They seem to have press releases before each season, like this for 2023–24.  Note that for notability purposes, we should go off what independent sources say, and not necessarily be a slave to the NBA wishes. —Bagumba (talk) 20:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

text: * Comment - similar conversation in the past Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 39#List of foreign NBA players— Preceding unsigned comment added by BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk • contribs) 02:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of NBA players born outside the United States 

message: I recently discovered that both the Bulls dynasty section and the Spurs and Lakers dominance section are entirely unsourced, and I tagged them accordingly. It would be nice to get the page in better shape before this year's Finals, when there will almost certainly be a spike in readership. Anyone who is willing and able to pitch in with citations to reliable sources would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Left guide (talk) 05:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Plenty of other sparsely sourced sections there too. These types of pages would be better with more comprehensive sources, with expert input on the overall highlights.  Otherwise, it's swayed by editors/fans putting in their best memories.  And the "dynasty" and "era" headings in all sports pages is quite monotonous. —Bagumba (talk) 09:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced sections at [[NBA Finals]] article 

message: Would it be WP:UNDUE to include in the WP:LEAD the sentence that "Henderson has achieved two of the three worst single-game plus-minus totals (-56 & -58) in NBA history"? Should I ask this at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Scoot Henderson]] plus-minus 

message: One editor insists on adding this.
I think it's superfluous, junky, and wholly unnecessary.
What say the others? SportsGuy789 (talk) 02:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: A related policy is WP:ONUS:  —Bagumba (talk) 11:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinions requested re: [[NBA Most Valuable Player Award]] 

message: Based on the conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 44#WP:NBA project main page needs a revamp, the "inactive" task forces should probably be removed from WikiProject,. As a beginner Wikipedian, I was unbelievably confused with them being there. "Currently, there are eight task forces related to the NBA, and one related to the WNBA." I would remove it myself but I am not sure how. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: * Question - How do I edit the Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association? The featured list includes tons of articles that need WP:POSTMOVE changes from "National Basketball Association" to "NBA". - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: task forces

message: User:爨龘龘 seems to be making a lot of edits that disagree with Basketball-reference.com, but states that these are numbers from NBA.com. Has anyone noticed a lot of differences between the two.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Over a decade ago, I remember observing that NBA.com would sometimes round stats differently from basketball-reference.com. Does basketball-reference still provide year-by-year playoff stats for each player? Or do they break everything down by series now? Zagalejo (talk) 18:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: BR still has both year-by-year and series-by-series.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

text: In sections like "Per Game" and "Totals" there's now a "Playoffs" tab. —Bagumba (talk) 14:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see. Thanks! Zagalejo (talk) 18:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Regarding this diff, I think basketball-reference is correct to round down. Both NBA.com and basketball-reference have the same total number of minutes. Mathematically, the average should be 34.9444444.... I have not looked closely at these things in many years, so I don't know how common these discrepancies are. Zagalejo (talk) 03:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The User I opened this thread with seems to mostly correct these discrepancies. I think he has found thousands in his four years on WP.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

text: If we look at the game logs, playing time there is recorded with seconds as well.  I wonder if it's a matter of one rounding to minutes and then dividing by games, and the other rounding after division, accounting for the .1 difference?  The brain dead thing would just be to go w/ NBA.com, since it's their league.  Otherwise, if one really wanted to be thorough (for minutes played?!?!), footnote the discrepancy. —Bagumba (talk) 05:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that the recording of seconds is leading to discrepancies. JamesOn Curry only played a few seconds in his NBA career. NBA.com lists his MPG as 0.1, but basketball reference lists it as 0.0. In that case, NBA.com is arguably more correct. Zagalejo (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Although NBA.com has a different MPG for Curry in his career line, so who knows... Zagalejo (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepancies between Basketball-reference.com and NBA.com 

message: I've seen it both ways (including inconsistencies within individual articles) and didn't see anything in the style guidelines.  When referring to a specific playoff game in a series, should it be referred to as "Game X" or "game X", where X represents the game number?  Useight (talk) 15:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, MOS:CAPS begins:  At , they seem to have went with lowercase. —Bagumba (talk) 15:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I guess I can get to lower-casing the upper-cased ones that I find, even though I find the upper-cased version to be more aesthetically pleasing.  Useight (talk) 20:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game 1 or game 1