Talk:Cedalion

message: The naive category "Greek mythological people" (sic) does not properly apply to Cedalion: a glance at the category shows many other figures that can't rightly be called "people". -- (Wetman) 03:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all stories agree, by the way, that it was his mother [who cast him out]. According to one tale [Note to scholia on Ξ  296,, Aeneid 10.763], Hera brought her son to the island of Naxos, to Kedalion, who was to be his tutor and teach him smithcraft. Kedalion was a figure resembling the Kabeiroi. His name is as much to say "the phallic one".  He was also numbered with the Kyklopes [Note to Hesychius, without reference], from amongst whom Hephaistos took his fellow-craftsmen; but Hephaistos did this only later when the tales had begun to connect the god with the great Vulcans or volcanoes of the West, with Etna and Vesuvius. At a place where fire springs from the earth in Lemnos, on the small mountain of Moschylos, Hephaistos's companions were certain Kabeiroi called the Karkinoi, "the Crabs"....
In addition to this, there is the unblinding of Orion, told in full under Orion (mythology) (p. 203); a group of phallic or half-animal tutors (also Priapus, Chiron, Silenus, Pallas p.177); and Prometheus, "like a second Kedalion" took fire from the sun's wheel (not further explained). (sourced to a scholion on Eclogues 6.42). 
I congratulate Wetman on the amount of original research he has managed to insert. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your sarcasm, though habitual, is uncollegial. There's no excuse for this toxic atmosphere. --Wetman 04:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Some of this waspish energy might go into improving the article. --Wetman 21:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine> Nonnus is irrelevant; I shall be removing the rest discussed here as unsourced. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

text: ...and I shall be vetting your excisions when I find leisure and psatience. Do remember that your personal tightness about passing on information to the reader is induced by your doctrinal background and not universally shared. Try to be more collegial, even if it does not come naturally. --Wetman 04:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NPA, please. Just for my own satisfaction, what do you suppose  my "doctrinal background" to be? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

message: *Theoi.com's own opinions are not reliable sources.
*"Brown:2004" is a photo-reprint of a 1877-8 book, apparently by an autodidact.  It should be cited clearly. More importantly, he has not cited his own sources clearly, or chosen them particularly well. Mueller is a notorious crank, author that "thousand-page fantasia", The Dorians. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say, if I considered Karl Otfried Müller a "notorious crank" I'd try to keep my dismissive POV from affecting the Wikipedia information: nothing is being based on The Dorians, an early attempt at a history. The reader should be warned that Theoi.com is not a source of opinions as our cranky poster suggests, but of quotes from classical sources. And most useful too. --Wetman 04:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See his article, which cites Sir Moses Finley's judgment of him. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: I have deleted the reference to Servius' commentary on Aeneid 10.763, as it bears on Orion's drunkenness and blinding but not in any way on Cedalion: is [Liber] satyros misit qui soporem infunderent Orioni et sic velut vinctum Oenopioni traderent arbitrio eius puniendum. Tum ille Oenopion sopito ei oculos sustulit. I note this because as a general rule, deleting references can be read as a mark of unscrupulous behavior. --Wetman 05:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are several variant texts of Servius. I don't see the reference myself, but I must assume Kerenyi is talking about something. If someone can track it down, well and good; if not, it does no harm in our footnote. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A deletion