Talk:Dave Matthews

message: Something is wrong with the first two paragraphs of the Early Life section.  He was born in 1967 -> Early Life P1 says his family moved to Westchester, NY when he was 8 (1975) -> Early Life P2 says the family moved to Cambridge, England in 1974 for a year before returning to New York.  P2 implies that the family lived in New York prior to 1975 through the term returning, but P1 says the family initially moved to New York in 1975.  These paragraphs are cited, but its not an online source so I could easily check it out.  ... someone who knows the chronology of Dave's youth should fix this section.  Guest ... 96.246.68.5 (talk) 04:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Life Math Doesn't Work Out 

message: Could we get a discography, more info about the band? Other stuff like other bands' pages have.
:Well, this is a bio article, so most info that's strictly about the band should be confined to Dave Matthews Band. This does need more on his solo album and all that, though. Everyking 05:47, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: Anyone know anything about his alleged bisexuality? Alison9 07:40, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have yet to see any sort of credible story on said topic.  Everything I have seen has been equitable to schoolyard taunts. Bbatsell 12:10, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, I reverted that as soon as I saw it.  It was pretty clearly just vandalism. Bbatsell 10:38, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bisexuality? 

message: The Discography on this page has been deleted twice now, with no justification in the edit summary - could someone explain why this is being done? Bbatsell 04:46, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not the one who deleted it, and I can't speak to their reason for doing so, but I'd like to see the discography on the Dave Matthews Band page instead of here. B.Mearns*, KSC 15:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography Blanking

message: I'm pretty sure daves father died from Lung Cancer and he was a non-smoker.  Just wanted to put that out there.  I don't think it was Brain Cancer
Did Dave's dad die in New Jersey or New York?  Two wikipedia article's say two different things, and I can't find the truth online.--Esprit15d 17:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daves Father 

message: Teh african american "essay" was orginal reserach and hopelessly POV.  I rewote it according to encyclopedia standards and referenced.--Esprit15d 16:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  African American 

message: Hey peeps, as most (if not all) of those external links are for the band and not dave personally, i axed them (eeck.. don't kill me).  I added a see also section that points to the band page here. I'm going to clean up and fix that link section right now :-) Wolverinegod 15:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Tecmo Banned Indefinitely.  FYI--Wolverinegod/Tecmo has been banned indefinitely for repeated violations of Wiki policy.--Epeefleche 01:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of External Links

message: I came across this as I was doing some research, and I thought I would bring this passage to the attention of actual editors.
"The Matthews family consisted of four children: Dave, two sisters (Anne and Jane) and a brother (Peter). Two years later, his family migrated to Yorktown Heights in Westchester County, New York, where his father, a physicist, went to work for IBM."
Does anybody know what the "Two years later" is referring to? If it is his birth (which I am guessing it is), I would think that it should be stated.  If it is referring to something else, then it is possible that part of this article under this section is actually missing. 68.79.53.233 00:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Life section, poor writing 

message: Why have you got the old South African flag next to his country of birth? I find it very offensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.10.121.2 (talk) 
:I'm not sure why it was the old flag. Someone had changed it without explaining their reasons, and it seems nobody noticed. I've changed it back. --Onorem♠Dil 13:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's rediculous, I'll change it back to the old one, it doesn't matter if it's offensive, when he was born in South Africa, it was the old flag, check this article for example: David Coltart. --Joe 15:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Using that same logic would mean that all South African born pre-1994 would have the old flag against them. Surely that doesn't seem right  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.10.121.2 (talk) 15:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. It would also mean all Germans born 1935-1945 would have a Nazi flag in the articles. --84.249.243.115 (talk) 06:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The flag 

message: Yeah... Dave's in the new Zohan movie.  I saw an IP try to add the info, but since it looks too ridiculous, I think they removed it.  We should try to work this in better... but yeah.  He's here, and yes, he does play a redneck trying to kill arabs.  Qb | your 2 cents 14:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zohan 

message: Someone thought it was important to list the equipment he's used?  Down to the strings?  How is this "notable"? 4.79.176.22 (talk) 21:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equipment 

message: There is nothing at all that mentions that Dave writes most of the lyrics for his band's songs.  Anyone have any evidence to this effect?
147.126.220.252 (talk) 06:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was probably removed in a vandal attack, and we havent noticed.  Thanks for putting it back.  Qb | your 2 cents 09:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songwriting 

message: IMHO, here's some of what needs to be done to get this entry up to GA Class:
* Significantly more citations are necessary. This information is out there; somebody just needs to do the legwork.
* A bright line needs to be drawn between information about Matthews and information about DMB, with the latter largely excised from the article.
* The writing is as stilted as...uh...a Wikipedia entry. :) This needs to be reflowed, so that each sentence is connected to the prior and subsequent sentences, each paragraph is connected to the prior and subsequent paragraphs, etc.
* The "Music" section is only slightly better than a listing of trivia. This needs to be rewritten to provide actual information about his music. Somebody who has never heard Matthews' music ought to understand his style based on this section.
* The whole affair requires technical cleanup—grammar, punctuation, etc.
I'm listing these things in hopes that others can suggest further improvements, that others might make some of these improvements, and to remind myself of the changes I'd like to make myself. --WaldoJ (talk) 05:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting to GA Class 

message: Why isn't any reference made to his experiments with drugs such as cocaine and heroine?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.44.102 (talk) 03:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the same reason that Barack Obama's page doesn't make reference to his being a one-man Al Qaeda sleeper cell: Wikipedia requires statements of fact, rather than lies or urban legends. --WaldoJ (talk) 16:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug Use 

message: The "Early Life" section states as follows:
David John Matthews was born in Johannesburg, South Africa on January 9 1967, the fourth of six children born to John and Valerie Matthews. At eight years old, Matthews' family migrated to Yorktown Heights in Westchester County, New York, where his father, a physicist, started working for IBM.
In 1974, the family moved to Cambridge, England, for a year before returning to New York, where his father died from lung cancer in 1977.
One of these two facts is untrue:
* At eight years old—that is, in 1975—his family moved to New York.
* Subsequent to that, in 1974, his family moved to England prior to moving back to New York.
Until somebody sorts this out, those two claims are marked as dubious, since one of them is untrue. --WaldoJ (talk) 20:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Childhood chronology 

message: According to the article, his daughters appear in the video for Funny the Way It Is. I've seen it now a few times, and the girls in the video doesn't exactly look like they are nine years old. Can someone provide a source for this, otherwise I'll remove it in a few days. Bjelleklang  -  talk 01:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daugthers 

message: A number of new, good quality images have become available at :Commons:Category:Dave Matthews. I hope someone takes a look and adds some of the suitable ones to the article. Couple of new images of his bandmates are also available at :Commons:Category:Dave Matthews Band. Cheers, Quibik (talk) 01:19, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New images available 

message: There really should be more information on the vast variety of charitable work Matthews does- both as a member of the Dave Matthews Band but also as an individual. I really don't think that little section does him justice. Here is just one of many good sources:  which mentions both the BAMA Works fund, but also other humanitarian work. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 13:00, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  BAMA Works 

message: Someone keeps removing "jazz fusion" and inserting "pop" and "pop rock" for musical genres. DMB's music may not qualify as "jazz fusion," although it has elements of jazz, blues and funk , . Matthews and Beauford do not favor the term "jam band" and say that they are not really a fusion band, despite the elements of jazz in their music. So that leaves rock. They are a rock band, not "pop" or "pop rock." If you disagree, let's discuss this and avoid edit warring. Sunray (talk) 00:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Genres

message: The last sentence in the Charity section references an e-mail scam that is completely irrelevant to that section (or any other section, for that matter). 173.59.67.23 (talk) 01:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charity 

message: Nobody's talked about Dave in nearly four years.  Guess that's good for the article, or bad for Dave.  206.53.81.61 (talk) 03:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dave... 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Dave Matthews. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20041211174015/http://www.vh1.com:80/shows/dyn/driven/74427/episode_about.jhtml to http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/driven/74427/episode_about.jhtml
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090922184347/http://www.pbs.org:80/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200909/20090914.html to http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200909/20090914.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070711002749/http://dmband.com:80/news/view/cb3b7a7e7b6d5086bee55ac0624874dd to http://www.dmband.com/news/view/cb3b7a7e7b6d5086bee55ac0624874dd
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 02:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Dave Matthews. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20121103032805/http://news.yahoo.com/s/rockymountainnews/20080825/pl_rockymountainnews/davematthewsconnectswiththednc_0 to http://news.yahoo.com/s/rockymountainnews/20080825/pl_rockymountainnews/davematthewsconnectswiththednc_0
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 01:18, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Dave Matthews. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100409133025/http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760307/ to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760307/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:31, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Dave Matthews. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.biography.com/people/dave-matthews-9542554
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120805233850/http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723677/k.961B/Board_and_Staff.htm to http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723677/k.961B/Board_and_Staff.htm
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 01:39, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Dave Matthews. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080907001716/http://livedaily.com/news/5583.html to http://www.livedaily.com/news/5583.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090318131612/http://emmylou.net/reddirtgirl.html to http://www.emmylou.net/reddirtgirl.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081006104813/http://davematthewsband.com/news/view/7609326981d081ac5a758b04ad0b30fd to http://www.davematthewsband.com/news/view/7609326981d081ac5a758b04ad0b30fd
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:00, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: For some reason, Dave's mom keeps being named "Allie Laurenzo-Matthews" but I'm reasonably certain her name is Valerie. I changed it to reflect this in August 2019, but an IP changed it back in September. Quick Google searches DO yield the name "Allie Laurenzo" on spammy celebrity gossip sites,  but I think this is probably because they just source from here. 
In Dave's father's obituary in the NYT, his wife is listed as the former Valerie Borchers (and yes, I realize this doesn't necessarily have to be Dave's mom, but it's good evidence when paired with other sources). In a book about the mothers of rock stars written by Dave Grohl's mom, there is a whole section about Val Matthews. In legitimate news articles with direct interviews (I don't feel like listing more than 1), mom's name is Val.
Someone named Allie Laurenzo is mentioned as Tim Reynolds's friend (Tim Reynolds = frequent Dave Matthews collaborator) on some site called "The Reader View of Wikipedia", so this could be where the misconception started? (Although their cited source for this has no mention of that name) Regardless, I didn't want to directly re-edit it back without bringing it up here and asking what people think. Mcheer372 (talk) 23:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother's Name 

message: There seems to be some disagreement on the opening sentence and whether it should say that Dave Matthews is "... an American singer ..." or "... a South African born American singer ...". MOS:ETHNICITY seems clear:
:: "... if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable.... Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability."
Dave Matthews became notable while living in the US which is why the lead states that he is an "American singer". The MOS specifically says that we should not mention place of birth unless that is relevant to the subject's notability which does not appear to be the case.
The rest of the article talks about Dave Matthew's birth and upbringing which is appropriate. But I don't see how saying that he was born in South Africa is appropriate in the lead sentence. SQGibbon (talk) 18:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening sentence and the subject's place of birth