Talk:List of people considered father or mother of a field/Archive 1

message: I removed Adam, Eve, and La Malinche because they are not the father or mothers of THINGS. This list reflects those known for starting ideas, concepts, or movements, not beings. Kingturtle 01:17, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adam/Eve/La Malinche 

message: Curious that the execrable J.R.R. Tolkien gets the credit for Lord Dunsany's offspring.Sjc 12:05, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tolkien 

message: To name Mendel the "father" of genetics. Does no one see the irony?
I hate this article title. Why can't people be authors, inventors, discoverers, they have to be fathers and mothers? It's sexist too. Stoopid list, IMHO. DavidH 03:54, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
:People are known as fathers and mothers of things. All this article does is compile the instances into one list. Kingturtle 08:49, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with forcing the term father/mother on everything? 

message: I've removed Pingala as father of "the binary numeral system" again.  There are no google hits associating him with "father of binary" or similar phrases; he may have in fact been the father of binary, but he does not seem to be known as the "father of binary" or "father of the binary numeral system".--ragesoss 01:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pingala

message: Western Monotheism maybe, but Monotheism in general?--Greasysteve13 01:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it necessarily has to be an exclusive title for the purpose of this article.  If there are others who also carry the distinction of "father of monotheism", there's no reason why they can't be added as well.  For example, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are all three known as the fathers of Judaism. --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 03:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it was just changed to "father of many," which is Biblical of course but in my opinion, ambiguous at best. What was wrong with 'monotheism', as Abraham is widely regarded as the first monotheist (though historically this may not be true)? —Aiden 18:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I readded monotheism (but left "many," as it also seems appropriate).--ragesoss 22:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Abraham really the father of Monotheism? 

message: I'm jumping in here, because this whole article seems to have turned into a hodgepodge of names that does not come close to meeting the verifiability policy. I just picked on these twp particular entries, because they caught my attention. Many of the other names are probably in equally bad shape. 
This article has no References section at all. Why not? I don't have time to look at the history now, but I think it once did.
But the article does say right at the top that "Sources for or references to each person being a father or mother of something should be found in the article to which their name is linked." The articles on Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson do not use the phrase father of, let alone give a reference for that use.
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson do, in fact, deserve credit for creating UNIX? Undoubtedly.
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson are widely referred to as "father[s] of UNIX?" No way. 
A Google books search on exact phrase "father of UNIX" yields one hit, unfortunately to a restricted page. It's just not customary to refer to computer scientists as "fathers" of their creations. In contrast, a similar search on "father of radio," turns up 100 books, almost all referring to Lee De Forest; "Father of the H-bomb," 165 books, almost all referring to Edward Teller.
This is supposed to be a page of people who are known by the sobriquet" "father of", not just a random page of people credited as inventing or originating something. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why I removed Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie... and why this article needs major, major cleanup

message: Firstly, thanks to Aiden for joining the efforts to source this list. Meanwhile, here's a list and some rationale for my latest tidying effort:
* Simplified cross-referencing between Philip Abelson and Hyman G. Rickover.
* Erik Acharius and Muhammad: (Article name plus) URL link only as further info unnecessary here; visit the link.
* Removed Antonio Meucci as it's Bell who has the father of the telephone moniker. Suggest those folk keen on remembering him (and other early pioneers) are directed to List of inventors, Timeline of invention or the like.
* Iditarod: restored cross-referencing between Dorothy G. Page and Joe Redington, Sr.; apologies if I'm still missing why they ought not to refer to each other (assuming evidence for their being known as the father and mother of the Iditarod that's yet to be indicated).
* Andre Thi Truong: Have commented-out (but not removed) current single citation for, as suggested, it "seems, however, to be saying that Truong deserves to be considered the father of personal computing, but that he is not widely called by that epithet."
**Well, I rather think the entry for Truong should be deleted, but there's no rush...
Regards, David Kernow 21:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiding latest 

message: Alan Emtage	the Internet search engine 	
Ye Duzheng 	Chinese atmospheric physics	
Nikolaj Abraham Abildgaard No Google Books hits. Virtually all Google Web hits seem to be to copies of the Wikipedia article and to this list. Note that our article on Abildgard says that it is his student, Christoffer Wilhelm Eckersberg, who is called the "Father of Danish Painting," not Abildgaard. Neither the article on Abildgaard nor Eckersberg contain any references at all. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entries removed