Talk:List of cultural references in the Divine Comedy

message: This list is more or less complete through Inferno, Canto XXIX (plus scattered later entries). Paul August ☎ 06:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status 

message: We have an entry for "Christ", and we refer to both "Christ" and "Jesus" in various entries, I think this is potentially confusing. Since "Jesus" was his name and "Christ" is a title. I would propose changing the entry from "Christ" to "Jesus", with perhaps a mention of the title. And change all the occurrences of "Christ" to "Jesus", unless there is some particular reason to use the title somewhere. Comments?  Paul August ☎ 20:05, October 7, 2005 (UTC)
:Fine by me. Filiocht | The kettle's on 07:21, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Christ" vs "Jesus"? 

message: Should we put an entry for Florence? While I think it would be nice, I'm a bit scared for the amount of work this would mean (Florence is mentioned literally everywhere in Dante) Aldux 12:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice, we could reference it as passim. Filiocht | The kettle's on 13:22, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Another possibility would be that I could limit the entry on Florence only with the really important references, that is where Dante's explicitly puts Florence in the center. But to do this I would need to cancel "Guelphs and Ghibellines" so to subsume its entries under "Florence". What do you say of the idea? Aldux 15:12, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Some doubts

message: There are a number of Italian usurers (individuals and families) referred to in this canto: Gianfigliazzi, Ubbriachi, Rinaldo de' Scrovigni, Vitaliano de' Vitaliani, Giovanni Buiamonte de' Bicci. Only Vitaliano is (half) named. Do we need to include these people? Knowing who they were adds nothing to the understanding of the poem. Filiocht | The kettle's on 15:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If they are at all famous in there own right (I didn't find any of them on Wikipedia), then we should probably include them, otherwise I don't think they are necessary. Especially as I am worried about the length of the list, (this also explains my editing for concision ;-). I'd be interested to know what Aldux thinks. Paul August ☎ 16:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion the last three should be included, since they were eminent members of key families of Florentine and Paduan bankers and politicians. Especially Reginaldo Scrovegni should be remembered if only for being the father of Enrico Scrovegni, the comissioner of the undisputed peak of 14th century art, the Scrovegni chapel (1304-06) Aldux 18:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose the real question is about the ones who are not actually named. I'll add Vitaliano de' Vitaliani now, but the others seem a bit much. Filiocht | The kettle's on 12:34, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can add them, if no one's against. Aldux 11:48, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Inf. XVII

message: The links need to direct the reader to the appropriate Wikipedia article, for more information. Many of the "L' links, for instance, are circular within this page. No use to the reader. Minor figures only remembered through their appearance in the Commedia shouldn't be redlinked, but bolded and treated fully right here in a brief paragraph. Perhaps with a redirect List of cultural references in The Divine Comedy#Appropriate letter. If more is eventually required, then a separate article can always be made. --Wetman 10:05, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wetman: The linking scheme that has been adopted by the editors of this article (see Span and  Get rid of "see above" and "see below"? above), is as follows. Each list entry, which has its own article is (of course) linked to. Any reference to that entry in another entry is made a boldface (to distinguish it from normal inter page links) intra-page link (what I think you are calling "circular") to that entry. I think this is actually quite helpful to the reader, since the information contained for that entry on this page is particularly relevant. So for example, the entry for "Abel" mentions "Limbo", which is a boldface link, which indicates that there is also an entry for "Limbo" in the list. Following that link will take the reader to the entry for "Limbo" on this page which has specific information pertaining to The Divine Comedy. If the reader wants more general information, then following the "Limbo" link at the "Limbo" entry will take the reader to the "Limbo" article. Does this make sense? Paul August ☎ 19:36, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I'm getting it... --Wetman 07:14, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Wetman's suggestion that: minor figures only remembered through their appearance in the Commedia shouldn't be redlinked, but bolded and treated fully right here in a brief paragraph, makes a lot of sense to me, especially for those for whom there is nothing more (than what is written here) to be said about them. Paul August ☎ 19:36, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Each such minor figure might have a redirect to List of cultural references in The Divine Comedy#alphabet letter in order to forward them here. Might such figures be bolded where they occur alphabetically in the list, to indicate that a redirect redirects there? In most browsers that gives them an equivalent prominence, though black not blue. --Wetman 07:14, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The links

message: Well, that was really well done deleting that category.  I notice that Rudolph I of Germany was in the category, but isn't listed here.  Who knows how much other similar information may have been lost.  I would add that being mentioned in the Divine Comedy is traditionally considered quite a significant attribute.  It is usually mentioned in encyclopedia entries about people, and the light Dante throws on the person is usually discussed.  But apparently a category on this subject needs to be deleted because it's just like having a category about people mentioned on The Simpsons.  Good job, everyone. john k 17:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good job deleting that category, guys 

message: I am preparing an University exam about Dante's Inferno and making quite deep studies on that. On the books I have (La Divina Commedia by Bosco-Reggio, Le Monnier 1988, and Inferno di Dante by Vittorio Sermonti, Rizzoli 2001 and these two books list an extensive bibliography each) that is not mentioned. Moreover it says that some critics tried to combine names of Black hguelphs families to the names of the devils. The only correspondence was Rubicante to Cante Gabrielli da Gubbio, the podestà of Florence who signed the exhile act for Dante. I can go on and on... I just wrote a pege on italian wikipedia it:I Malebranche where all those names where analized, they are quite funny. Some times they are similar to some family names (Malebrance, Raffacani, Rubaconte) but these are florentine or Tuscan families, not just from Lucca, and this can apply only to some devils, other are taken fro popular devil-characters (Alichino from French Hallequin, Farfarello from a kind on follet), others are invented by Dante. Sometimes also books gets wrong, but comparing as many as possible we can try to get a more valid idea. Cheers --Sailko 13:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the removal of the reference to Lucca. Paul August ☎ 19:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malebranche 

message: Before I go ahead and do this for the rest of the sections, I'd like some input.  Would it be a Good Idea to move the images to the right of the subject they depict?  I've already done it for "C".  Frotz 06:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the spacing is better otherwise. Paul August ☎ 20:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image reorganization 

message: I'm trying to remember where adherents of other religions generally fit into Dante's scheme. Moses among the virtuous pagans and Mohammed among the heretics has a certain logic (but Saladin is with the former...) but where do later Jews end up? Sparafucil (talk) 06:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Islam & Judaism

message: There are quotes in Italian from the original text here and there in the article that go untranslated. Sometimes they are apparently quite important to the reference and sometimes makes up most of the text. "<reference> Dante tells him that <long quote in italian>." I don't speak Italian myself, so am unable to translate. --Mickel (talk) 09:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any untranslated Italian in this article. I also don't find "Dante tells ..." anywhere either. Can you please give specific locations? Paul August ☎ 15:21, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untranslated Italian phrases 

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