Talk:King Kong vs. Godzilla

message: I've owned this film for about a year, but am leaving it purposefully unwatched until I've seen 'King Kong' [now done], 'Godzilla' [now done], 'Godzilla Rides Again' and 'Son Of Kong'.  My query is...with Kong dying at the end of his adventure in 1931 [year from Wold Newton], and Kiko dying after his film...and 'Godzilla' stated in dialogue as 1954...who fights Godzilla in this film?? Godzilla himself I understand [see the Wold Newton Godzilla timeline for his resurrection], but not Kong!
The King Kong in this film has NOTHING to do with original Hollywood one. This Kong is a Japanese interpretation and is a new beast with a new back story. This is like how the Hollywood Godzilla is utterly different then the one from the TOHO films, in terms of origin and continuity.
The Original Godzilla is much, much larger than the Original Kong anyway.
:Godzilla is around 400' tall. King Kong is only about 30' tall, making Godzilla approximately 370 feet taller than King Kong. The movie shows them as about equal in size. Did King Kong Grow or did Godzilla shrink?74.100.47.237 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 23:48, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: Out of all of the films in Godzilla, this is my favorite so far. Commander Lightning  —Preceding undated comment was added at 14:10, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this comment is over a decade old now, but please keep in mind that this is a talk page, and as such, its purpose is to be a place to discuss improvements to the King Kong vs. Godzilla article. It is not meant to be a forum for general discussion of the film. –Matthew - (talk) 19:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incredible 

message: There is a section that is critical of Kong's suit and SFX which reads more like an editorial. I know a film of this age has few sources available to provide a citation of such opinion, but is there a way to rephrase? Thanks.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by Originaldave77 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production Opinion 

message: In the US version, when the scientists in the submarine are looking at Godzilla trying to melt his way out of the iceberg, one of the soldiers asks why the iceberg is glowing, and one of the men says something that sounds like Chandrasekhar limit.  I'm just curious as to what was actually said. 199.60.146.153 (talk) 20:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the definiton.  So Godzilla's spines glow because of Cherenkov radiation.  Interesting. 142.26.194.190 (talk) 18:27, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chandrasekhar limit? 

message: King Kong was 40 feet tall. Godzilla was over 400 feet tall. Not only that, but Godzilla could breath fire. One atomic sneeze and the movie would have ended with Godzilla the winner and King Kong a pile of smoldering ashes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.52.87 (talk) 09:31, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the original Japanese version of Gojira 1954 Godzilla's heighth is given as 150 feet which seems to be in proportion to the miniature buildings, etc. In the Americanized version Godzilla, King of the Monsters edited from Gojira, Godzilla's heighth is given as 400 feet for some unknown reason. Obviously, the Kong of KKvG1962 is not the same Kong as KK1933 (who was much handsomer anyway). Naaman Brown (talk) 15:54, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes Godzilla's height is 164 feet (50 meters). That is what is stated in the original japanese version of the film by Dr.Yamane. This is also what is written in numerous Toho books and periodicals. That is how they scaled the miniatures in relation to the suit actor. In the Americanized version of the film, they wanted to over-exaggerate Godzilla's height by having Raymond Burr's character state he was 400 feet tall. That is more then twice the size of Godzilla's actual height in the film!!!Giantdevilfish (talk) 19:28, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with size 

message: I've looked through this article and find it meets all the criteria for a B-class article. I welcome other views and have no problem if anybody disagrees. I'd just ask that they mention what criteria it fails and why. Thanks. 64.40.54.160 (talk) 10:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the lack of sources enough? I've assessed it as a C-class article. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 22:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessed as B class article 

message: It seems there are some users who wish to add Legendary's Godzilla vs. Kong in a section titled "Remake/Reboot". I do agree that Legendary's Godzilla vs. Kong deserves a mention in the article but giving the film its own section that implies it is a remake/reboot is inaccurate. There are no sources cited or provided confirming that Legendary's Godzilla vs. Kong is a remake or reboot of Toho's version. They coincidentally share a similar title but they're two totally different unrelated films. Legendary's film will not follow the same story, characters, or cues of any kind from Toho's version like remakes do and it is not a reboot because Legendary did not announce it as a reboot or a remake, they announced it as the fourth film in their cinematic franchise. To say Legendary's Godzilla vs. Kong is a remake/reboot is synthesis which is in violation of wiki's WP:SYNTH guidelines. I've added a mention of Legendary's version in the Legacy section because it is more appropriate than giving it its own inaccurate section. Armegon (talk) 10:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Just because Godzilla and King Kong are crossing paths again doesn't necessarily mean its a remake or "reboot" of this particular film. Universal and Toho aren't even involved in its production and there is no evidence it will follow the same storyline or themes of this film. Its just a new movie featuring these two characters that is tied into a shared universe that Legendary Pictures and Warner Brothers are building together. So I agree that its not a remake or reboot of this particular movie, just like there is no evidence that Kong Skull Island will be a prequel and tied into the 1933, 1976 or 2005 remakes of King Kong.Giantdevilfish (talk) 16:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Hence why a "remake/reboot" section is unnecessary unless Legendary confirms it. The main users who keep re-adding the remake/reboot section are mainly anonymous IP users. Is there any way to stop prevent their further disruptive editing? Armegon (talk) 18:42, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legendary's Godzilla vs Kong 

message: The "Mushroom Clouds and Mushroom Men" book is a self-published book, and therefore not appropriate for Wikipedia. Can we remove it and it's content/replace it with reliably sourced content? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wether its self published or not the source that is used are actual quotes and data taken from Japanese source materialsGiantdevilfish (talk) 13:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Self-publishes sources

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message: I wanna address this Wikipedia page for the film needs to be updated on it’s facts regarding the ending and the outcome. The final fight is confirmed a draw as the ending was too ambiguous to decide the winner. 
In every Japanese document, including the screenplay and script, it's non-conclusive. Only one English-language sales brochure from 1963 says Kong won. But that does not make it so. Plus that brochure was made for western audiences. And was released during the 1963 English dub of the film. 
As I said, that alleged "win" appeared in ONE English-language brochure (as I noted, above). That’s it. No other source by Toho says Kong won other than that one outdated source. All other original Japanese text documents do not declare a win for either monster. Also Tomoyuki Tanaka officially declared the final fight a draw in his Toho official book called “Definitive Edition Godzilla Introduction”. 
Here are translated pages from the book to confirm it.
https://mykaiju.com/investigating-godzilla/6/
https://mykaiju.com/investigating-godzilla/7
Keep in mind, Tomoyuki Tanaka was the President Of Toho’s Film Division at the time. So he had more say over the film’s he produced.
So, unless you produce this "multiple" documents, don't insult me. I read Japanese. This is clearly not so. Please do not make stuff up. Thanks! SG1994! (talk) 16:15, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not clear what you're talking about here. A quick check of your contributions page shows that you hadn't made any edits to either the article or this talk page for at least a year prior to the above post, so where did anyone insult you or claim the existence of multiple documents without specifying them, and why are you replying to them here instead of on the discussion page where they said these things? Martin IIIa (talk) 00:25, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ending to King Kong vs Godzilla