Talk:Phonological history of English vowels/Archive 1

message: I've removed the following.
::The cot-cut merger is a phonominum occurring in Cameroon English where the phonemes /Q/ and  are not distinguished. As a result, pairs like "cot" and "cut", "fond" and "fund" etc. are homophones. /Q/ and  also generally merge with  in Cameroon English, resulting in the words "cot", "cut" and "cord" (with a devoiced /d/) being homophones. {1996 Loreso [sic: Do you mean "Loreto"?] Todd and Ian Hancock}
The reason was that the reference does not include the title and publisher of the book/article.  Someone please provide a full reference.  Note also that this section needs spell-checking and coversion to IPA. --Jimp 01:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cot-cut merger

message: Would anyone object if I were to go through this and related pages replacing hyphens with en-dashes in compounds containing two nouns in apposition, thus trap-bath → trap–bath, etc., per WP:STYLE#En_dashes §1?  (Obviously this contrasts with compounds such as æ-tensing in which one noun qualifies the other; here a hyphen is correct.)  —Blotwell 01:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  en-dashes 

message: this is under "phonological history of low back vowels" but... since when are  and  low back vowels? Jack(Lumber) 16:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bud-bird merger 

message: This occurs in some areas of England.  In the Liverpool area and the east coast of Yorkshire (including Middlesbrough and Hull), the sets are merged to .  In south Lancashire (Wigan, Bolton, etc.), they're merged to .  This is mentioned in Wells' Accents of English: see pp.372, 421, 444.  I think that it should be included somewhere in the article.  I've not added it myself, as it's difficult to fit into the current template of the article, which divides mergers before coda r and mergers with an intervolic r.  Which one should this merger go into, or should it be in a category of its own?  Epa101 (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nurse-square merger 

message: As for these listed mergers:
# The card–cord merger is a merger of Early Modern English [ɑr] with [ɒr], found in some Caribbean, English West Country and Southern and Western U.S. accents.
# The horse–hoarse merger is the merger of /ɔ/ and /oʊ/ before historic /r/ occurring in most varieties of English.
I presume from the use of the vowel symbol ɒ in [ɒr] that the writer is using this symbol to represent the historic "short O" as in Tom, hot, etc. In that case, isn't the vowel in 'horse' the same vowel? (otherwise put, is there any English dialect anywhere which contrasts the vowels in 'cord' vs. 'horse'?)Jakob37 (talk) 08:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [ɒr] vs. [ɔr] 

message: Thought we should have at least a mention of the GVS. Can anyone think of examples to illustrate /oː/ as well as /ɔː/? A bit of a complication there with Latin /oː/ behaving like ME /ɔː/, and I can't think of an example of ME /oː/. (Moon—month is irregular, isn't it?) — kwami (talk) 23:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  GVS 

message: Not making a distinction between Pam and palm is a feature of Scottish and Ulster accents (and possibly some English accents).  I don't see any mention of it here.  Is it a merger or a historical retention?  I'm not sure. Accentman (talk) 15:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: At Phonological history of English short A#British accents there is a very brief mention of the fact that some accents don't distinguish the  and  vowels. It's certainly something that should be expanded upon (in that article, not this one) if you can find reliable sources for it. Angr (talk) 18:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Accentman (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pam-palm merger 

message: In some rhotic dialects, such as mine, these two sounds have merged. I am not sure what caused this, but could someone add it to the page with references.67.190.91.174 (talk) 03:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you talking about the furry-ferry merger? Angr (talk) 18:34, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ər and ɛr merger