Talk:Mikhail Kalinin

message: Should this be redirected to Mikhail I. Kalinin? -- Schewek 21:14, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: Why shold be empatised that he signed the Law of Spikelets? He in fact signed any all-union law. This was his job. And laws were adopred by the supreme council and Kalinin had no veto power, so his signature worth nothing.--Dojarca (talk) 11:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Law of Spikelets

message: Was it a special trick by Stalin or was it a duty of NKVD to guard the residence of a head of state? This article presents it as a political trick with intention to control and/or spy Kalinin but I know no country where residencies of state officials are not guarded. In a case if Stalin had no intention to spy Kalinin would his residence left unguarded?--MathFacts (talk) 03:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, NKVD in those times was not something like special or secret service, it among other things included general civil police, border guards and even fire department. The article reads like NKVD was a kind of secret spy office subordinated personally to Stalin. This does not exclude possibility that Stalin indeed spyed for Kalinin but this does not directly follow from the fact that Kalinin's residence was guarded.--MathFacts (talk) 05:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stalin, who under the pretext of protecting him had his apartment always watched by NKVD officers 

message: Polish soldiers an civilians in Katyn and other places in Soviet Russia by Kalinin whos decided too about it after september 17-th 1939 > German & Soviet aggression to Poland.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.51.115.66 (talk) 21:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ANY WORD ABOUT GENOCIDE 

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message: very interesting summary where there is no word about he is genocide maker. it is like you wrote about Hitler that he is German politician without mention Holocaust which is not a case. it is not enough to put it somewhere in text. Taking part in genocide as decisive person is most important part of life of all soviet politicians active from 1917 to minimum 1943. Kalinin was by the way direct genocidist by taking part and signing of Katyn massacre directive. Wikipedia has to be neutral so all genocide makers has to be treated same way. Jarek19800 (talk) 06:15, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have some specific addition to the article with verified sources to propose on this aspect, showing involvement by Kalinin in particular ways rather than simply because he was a member of the Soviet government, then you should set out what that is.Sbishop (talk) 08:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  genocide  

message: It should only be mentioned in the lead if he held sole or majority responsibility for the massacre, which no supporting source has been introduced for - most reliable sources attribute said responsibility to Stalin and Beria, and similarly, most RSes portray Kalinin as a figurehead with no real political power. As a result, it's  mentioned and sourced later in the body that he co-signed the order alongside five others, which sources (including the one added) do support. Again, we do not engage in WP:OR here. The Kip 22:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Noting that WP:DUE also covers this - the difference with Himmler and other Nazis, as you’ve invoked, is that reliable sources in those articles describe that they were fundamentally involved in planning and executing the Holocaust and other Nazi-perpetrated massacres. The sources in this article (including the one you have introduced) list Kalinin as a signatory on the order, but none thus far claim that he held major responsibility for it as you’re asserting; again, most RSes attribute direct responsibility to Stalin and/or Beria. The Kip 01:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I have notified WikiProject Biography and WikiProject Socialism, two of the Wikiprojects covering this article, of this discussion in order to seek further input. I opted not to notify WikiProject Soviet Union as the project's talk page seems to indicate there's not much activity there. The Kip 02:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: the Katyn massacre