Talk:Crossover (automobile)

message: This article mentions that the tendency for SUVs to rollover "has been essentially mitigated by the widespread application of Electronic Stability Control systems, especially since about 2004." I fail to see how an ESC system could directly prevent a vehicle from rolling over. The ESC is responsible for modifying driver input to help prevent a vehicle from entering situations of understeer/oversteer. In a situation of oversteer, a vehicle moving laterally may roll if encountering an obstacle in the road or if the traction of the tires is able to resist the cars momentum enough to create significant rotational torque. However, this is only an indirect relation between ESC and a rollover. Being indirect, the claim that ESC prevents rollovers is therefore not true (in a strict sense). A claim of this kind can instill a dangerous false sense of safety in motorists looking at the benefits of ESC systems, thus making it an inappropriate inclusion to this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.74.53 (talk) 19:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The specific technology can be referred to as Roll Over Mitigation (ROM). Typically as a car's behavior looks likely to cause an untripped rollover the lateral acceleration is limited by braking one or other axle. Greglocock (talk) 10:50, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  ESC and Rollovers 

message: Problems with NPOV in the last and second-to-last paragraphs of the "history" section, as well as encyclopedic content (outdoorsy?) Bizznot 04:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: The article had been mostly original work without citations or references -- full of big statements, weasel words and peacock terms -- but mostly unreferenced conjecture. 
To that end, I've reworked the article using citations and references, and eliminating the conjecture and dependance on original work.  842U (talk) 13:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Original work?

message: What do people think of renaming the entire article Crossover (automobile) vs. Crossover SUV, with disambiguation links to Crossover SUV and CUV.
Currently CUV links to the Crossover SUV.
Thoughts?  842U (talk) 22:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. By definition a Crossover is NOT a SUV. Well job. Randroide (talk) 13:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename article: Crossover (automobile) ?

message: I would like to see a section in here about mileage for crossovers.
Starfoot (talk) 21:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section Needed on Mileage for Crossover Autos 

message: Is the PT Cruiser a crossover?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.205.147 (talk) 00:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PT Cruiser 

message: The article mentioned:
* Minivan-like CUVs: e.g., Dodge Journey, Mazda 5 (Mazda Premacy)
Taking into account that Mazda 5 and Mazda 3 share the same platform, can we call Mazda 5 "minivan-like"?
By the shape - yes, but there is other category - "Compact sedan-derived CUVs".
99.248.136.251 (talk) 03:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Mazda 5 "minivan-like" ? 

message: These seem to be legacy jargon and no longer in current usage.  Common usage is now exclusively "crossovers".  This should be reflected in the article. patsw (talk) 13:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CUV and "Crossover Utility Vehicle" 

message: The Highlander is listed as an early crossover in the midsize class, that does not really need any references as it's indisputable.  However I added a fact tag rather than removing what is historically relevant to the topic.Pattidude (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Highlander

message: Other than the Ford Escape? 71.215.79.206 (talk) 02:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which of them are plug-in hybrids? 

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message: My understanding had always been that CUV stood for COMPACT UTILITY VEHICLE and basically applied to the smaller end of the SUV market, things that were never intended to replace minivans (which crossovers tend to be) things with more traditional SUV interiors, not quite so family oriented. A google search for "compact utility vehicle" returns roughly twice as many results as "crossover utility vehicle", I think inserting crossover into that acronym was done in error and crossover has always been a separate and distinct term. 50.240.245.217 (talk) 22:29, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  CUV? 

message: Hello. In my experience, the term crossover is mainly used in the United States (other countries use terms such as "compact SUV" instead). The article's current references also suggest minimal usage outside the United States, but does anyone have more references supporting or opposing that the term is not commonly used in other countries? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 23:57, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't worry about it. People tend to read both Crossover SUV and Compact SUV as a vehicle looking like but not really an off-road vehicle.  Stepho  talk  03:27, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  usage of the term outside the United States 

message: It is a kind of lifted wagon pretending to be an SUV, but I don't see this mentioned anywhere in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.110.147 (talk • contribs) 
:Yes, it is more or less a lifted station wagon in an age where station wagons are unsellable. The article says "Crossovers are often based on a platform shared with a passenger car" in the lead paragraph and in the definition section it says "In the United Kingdom, a crossover is sometimes defined as a hatchback with raised ride height and SUV-like styling features.  Stepho  talk  04:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crossover is a wannabe SUV? 

message: I did an analysis on crossover sizng, using the lengths of the cars and platforms they are based on to separate them to subcompact, compact, midsized and large crossovers. Such classifications are often rather chaptic on the cars' individual places and, at least for me, it would be nice to categorize all of them properly. The table is on Excel, not sure how to share it into here. However, it would need some explaining and is unclear in some places. There is no way to comprehensively classify all crossover as the manufacturers categorize them very freely and mostly randomly, but I gave it a shot. 
For your reference, according to my analysis, these cars would be subcompact crossovers:
* Suzuki Jimny
* Suzuki Ignis
* Urban Cruiser
* Mitsubishi Pajero Pinin
* Ford Ecosport
* VW T-Cross
* Fiat Sedici
* DS3 Crossback
* Seat Arona
* Kia Stonic 
* Opel Mokka
* Citroen C3 Aircross
* Citroen C4 Cactus
* Hyundai Kona
* Suzuki Vitara
* Toyota Yaris Cross
* Ford Puma
* Audi Q2
* Nissan Juke
* Opel Crossland X
* Ssangyong Tivoli
* Volkswagen T-Roc
* Renault Captur
* Škoda Yeti
* Jeep Renegade
* Škoda Kamiq
* Fiat 500X
* Mazda CX-3
* Mitsubishi ASX (arguably could/should be compact)
* Peugeot 2008
* Mini Countryman
* Dacia Duster (arguably could/should be compact)
* Honda HR-V
These would be compact:
* Kia Niro
* Seat Ateca
* Toyota C-HR
* BMW X2
* Peugeot 4008
* Citroen C4 Aircross
* Nissan Qashqai
* Range Rover Evoque
* Škoda Karoq
* Mazda CX-30
* Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross
* Mercedes-Benz GLA
* Jaguar E-Pace
* Jeep Compass
* Jeep Patriot
* Volvo XC40
* Infiniti QX30
* BMW X1
* Peugeot 3008
* Ssangyong Korando
* Renault Kadjar
* Subaru XV
* Ssangyong Actyon
* Hyundai Tucson/ix35
* Opel Grandland X
* Kia Sportage
* Audi Q3
* VW Tiguan
* Lexus UX
* Suzuki Grand Vitara
* Citroen C5 Aircross
* Mazda CX-5
* DS7 Crossback
* Honda CR-V
* Opel Antara
* Toyota RAV4
* Land Rover Discovery Sport
* Ford Kuga
* Jeep Cherokee
* Subaru Forester (arguably could/should be midsized, but then it would take the RAV4, CR-V and Cherokee with it)
* Mercedes-Benz GLB
These would be midsized:
* Peugeot 5008
* Lexus NX
* Nissan X-Trail
* Mercedes-Benz GLK/C
* Audi Q5
* Renault Koleos
* Porsche Macan
* Jaguar I-Pace
* Alfa Romeo Stelvio
* Volvo XC60
* Peugeot 4007
* Citroen C-Crosser
* Ssangyong Kyron
* Mitsubishi Outlander
* Skoda Kodiaq
* Infiniti EX/QX50
* BMW X3
* Tiguan Allspace
* Ssangyong Musso
* Mazda CX-7
* Hyundai Terracan
* Mercedes-Benz G-class
* Jaguar F-Pace
* Seat Tarraco
* Tesla Model Y
* BMW X4
* Mercedes-Benz EQC
* Santa Fe
* Ford Edge
* Jeep Wrangler
* Range Rover Velar
* Kia Sorento
* Jeep Grand Cherokee (arguably could/should be large)
These would be large:
* Toyota Land Cruiser
* Ssangyong Rexton
* Range Rover Sport
* VW Touareg
* Hyundai ix55
* Infiniti QX70
* Nissan Murano
* Fiat Freemont
* Lexus RX
* Subaru Tribeca
* Mitsubishi Pajero
* Audi e-tron
* Porsche Cayenne
* BMW X5
* Mercedes-Benz M/GLE
* BMW X6
* Volvo XC90
* Discovery
* Audi Q8
* Range Rover
* Maserati Levante
* Pathfinder
* Land Rover Discovery
* Tesla Model X
* Ford Explorer
* Nissan Patrol
* Audi Q7
* Mazda CX-9
* Lamborghini Urus
* Bentley Bentayga
* BMW X7
* Mercedes-Benz GL/GLS
* Infiniti QX80
* Rolls-Royce Cullinan
There are some missing, notably most Asian-only and American-only models, but this is a start. 
--Carfan16 (talk) 17:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You did some great work categorising almost all SUVs, however, I think it would make more sense if we categorise them by size based on vehicle length. My idea is
* Subcompact: Anything below 4.35 meters
* Compact: Between 4.35 meters and 4.7 meters
* Mid-Size: Between 4.7 and 5.1 meters
* Full-Size: Anything above 5.1 meters
Blaze064 (talk) 14:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crossover sizing 

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