Talk:Owen Hargreaves

message: I have removed the incorrect statement in Owen's Manchester United section. Owen was not branded by Sir Alex in his book as one of his worst signings, Fergie said in his book that Owen was one of his most 'disappointing' signings in his reign and he was referring to the amount of time Hargreaves was out injured. Owen responded to Sir Alex on BT Sport stating that he wished he had spoken to Alex in private then things might have turned out differently. I have updated this to reflect the correct information. Please do not post incorrect information again. 94.4.108.101 (talk) 20:08, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Information posted in the United Section 

message: While this is protected, could someone please add the category Bayern Munich II players. Thanks. ArtVandelay13 16:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: er...  ArtVandelay13 00:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  +cat 

message: This is misleading. He is of English and Welsh descent, not purely of Welsh descent. This point is not covered by the fact that he is referred to as an English footballer at the start of the sentence - that refers to his (footballing) nationality, not to his ancestry. The way the line is currently written implies that he is of wholly Welsh descent, which is incorrect.
In any case, this is a peculiar thing to mention in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the Owen Hargeaves article. I don't believe I've seen it done for any other footballer, or anyone else for that matter. No - I stand corrected - someone did it for Alistair Cook (the cricketer). It was apparently also of vital importance to point out that Cook is "of Welsh descent" as early as possible in his article. This smacks to me of an agenda.Shiresman (talk) 00:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "of Welsh descent" 

message: Hargreaves is number 23, I saw him walk up the stairs at the end of the community shield win and he had 23 on his shorts, and with Kieran Richardson leaving and the number 23 shirt been his number at Bayern Munich, I believe it should be put on the squad page. Stew jones 17:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Turns out that you were wrong.  That's what happens when people want to make unsourced changes to pages. Batman2005 22:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Squad Number

message: I edited the details there for two reasons.
1. The level of English was atrocious. The header previously was 'Private Live'. And the words were clearly cut and pasted from somewhere.
2. It's all speculation so I have left it at that.
Hope all are happy with it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boils (talk • contribs) 23:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Private life 

message: It is redundant to write that Hargreaves is an "English footballer, who plays ... for ... England."--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 22:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so. There are some players, like Pepe and Deco, who are Brazilian and yet they play for the Portugal national team. Also, there are some English players who don't play for the English national team. It's all about consistency, IMO. – PeeJay 22:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: FIFA requires citizenship to play for a national team, so it is redundant. If you think it is important to include his citizenships in the lead, it should indicate Canadian and British, not English--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 08:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

text: English in what sense? British Citizens?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Hargreaves can only be considered English for two reasons: his father is English (i.e. born in England) and he plays for the English national team. I don't especially agree with noting that he is an "English footballer", but I don't think it's redundant to say that he is an "English footballer who plays for England". There are other reasons than redundancy to avoid mentioning his nationality within the first few words. – PeeJay 21:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: ".....only the second to [play for England] without having previously played in the English football league system" - what about the dozens of players who represented England in the 16 years between the first international match and the establishment of the Football League?  Most of them never played in the English football league system...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Query 

message: The article is currently in :Category:Association football defenders. Did he actually ever play in defence? I can't remember him being there, and the article has no other mention of him playing at the back. doomgaze (talk) 14:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: He played at right-back several times for Bayern and England, especially in a wing-back role. I'm fairly sure he's played there for United too, but only as cover. – PeeJay 23:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Association football defenders 

message: I'm sorry but this is a real historical situation. There is an outrage in Canada about his decisions. The continent added was neutral, third person, fully annotated, which made no judgment or opinion on the situation. It only stated it happened. 
However the deletions by User PeeJay2K3 lack any explanation ( one being a dismissive  condescending gesture).  He admits to openly editorializing the article  for his views and opinions openly . He also fails to
Provide any link to sources denying the controversy within Canada occurred. 
The content should be restored and the user blocked from further removing it without proper proof to its authenticity.
:By all means mention that fans of the Canadian clubs don't want Hargreaves playing for them, and if it is sourced, mention that the perception is that he has "turned his back" on Canada. But you must not suggest that FIFA has an institutionalised bias when in fact Hargreaves merely chose to play for the best team he could (by his ancestry, I might add, not on residency). – PeeJay 17:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Opinions of the players 

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message: He did scored a goal for England in the World Cup 2006 on penalties against Portugal. Haaazzziiim (talk) 04:15, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're saying he didn't score a goal for England. Goals scored in penalty shoot-outs don't count towards career statistics. – PeeJay 13:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goal for England 

message: Says in the stats 1 app and in the bio 4! 🤷‍♂️ 2A01:4C8:8A7:9B3F:C150:8C62:D4B9:B5F1 (talk) 22:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox addresses only league appearances. It says this quite clearly at the bottom of the infobox. Hope that answers your question. – PeeJay 23:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Man City appearances