Talk:Shutter Island

message: The "Story" section of this article reads like a forum post, and is actually about the film rather than the book.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.62.180.49 (talk) 10:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Story

message: This is a Shutter Island page that has both film and book in its description. The two are separate and should be divided up. --RossF18 (talk) 00:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no actual film in production, so per the notability guidelines for future films, information about the film adaptation in development goes to its source material's article.  It's not appropriate being a stand-alone film article because the film is not guaranteed to be made.  If production starts, a separate article can be created. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 00:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Separation of Pages

message: It was originally reported that Shutter Island would be renamed Ashecliffe, but considering that this has not been mentioned by The Hollywood Reporter, we should stick to the default assumption that it's Shutter Island.  When production starts in March, we can go to Shutter Island and establish a film article there, redirecting Ashecliffe. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashecliffe 

message: The current Premise section says it's taken from the Lehane website . The page does not contain the premise as of 2/17/10. This section should be replaced with a Plot section. Rwalker (talk) 16:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Premise 

message: On reverting vandalism this section of the article was deleted, however I have not reintroduced it as I question its importance according to:
Story
The story of the movie is not an exact adaptation of the book.
The story of "Shutter Island" was masterfully crafted by Martin Scorsese. Unlike the book, the movie is comprised of multiple plausible plots that could all plausibly explain the same general story as well as the ending.
According to the first plot, Teddy Daniels (Leonardo Decaprio) is an honest US Marshall who is sent by the authorities to investigate the possibility of illegal experiments at the island hospital. He, on arrival, gradually finds out that the hospital staff are all involved in criminal activities. When the hospital doctors and senior staff find out that Teddy is trying to uncover the truth, they start giving him psychotropic medications. This leads to the development of frank psychosis and Schizophrenia in Teddy ,which in turn, justifies his stay as a "patient" in this hospital for "criminally insane". So, he becomes the "67th patient". This plot is strongly suggested by the robotic way Teddy talks about his life story, exactly as coached by the hospital doctors.
According to the second plot, the hospital staff and doctors are honest people and are making a genuine effort to help these patients (several scenes support this plot). On the other hand, Teddy Daniels (Leondardo Decaprio) is a schizophrenic who is "criminally insane" and a murderer of his wife. In order to avoid this negative memory, develops multiple personality disorder. His subconscious creates another "personality" who is the actual killer. The doctors keep trying to convince him that he himself is the actual killer and he had created another personality to avoid the guilt of his wife's murder. In the movie, he keeps getting visual messages (hallucinations) from his dead wife to catch this killer and Teddy tries his best to find and kill him.
According to the third plot, Teddy Daniels (Leonardo Decaprio) and his colleague, Chuck Aule (Mark Ruffalo) are on a carefully planned mission to collect evidence and uncover the wrong-doings that are doing on at the island hospital. As a part of that plan, both of the detectives play certain roles, in order to gain the confidence of the island authorities and the doctors. And they are just waiting for the right moment, before they leave and reveal the secrets of this mysterious place. This is suggested by the last conversation between Teddy and Chuck, which, at the same time, also suggests that Chuck is in fact, a hospital doctor and is still honestly trying to rehab and treat Teddy.
According to the fourth plot, Teddy Daniels (Leonardo Decaprio) is an ex-military guy and suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after World War II. His wife was actually killed by a person who put her house on fire. After arrival to the island, Teddy gradually develops more and more nightmares and flashbacks from the World War II scenes. He is particularly bothered by the fact that he could not save a jewish girl in a German Nazi camp. He keeps having flashbacks of piles of dead bodies left by the German Nazis that he couldn't save. Due to this excessive guilt, the same girl that initially appears in his war memories, starts appearing in his personal life flashbacks and becomes his daughter. He then develops this feeling that he could not save his own daughter. Various scenes from his past life show that he had no children. However, later on, his flashbacks include 3 kids. It is possible that his PTSD worsened to the point that he developed a delusion that he could not save his own daughter. He then develops multiple personality disorder and creates another "personality" who, in his opinion, was his wife's killer.
The story is twisted, has numerous shades of grey and makes you think twice at every scene. Almost every scene could have multiple plausible explanations. And overall, the whole story could have multiple, equally plausible explanations. At many points in the movie, it becomes extremely hard to differentiate between fact and hallucination/delusion. In summary, the story of this movie is an amazing piece of art and is a testament to the mastery of film making.
- Nyxaus 18:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting vandalism 

message: It's okay for someone to redo or even republish something in the public domain but it's not okay to pass it off as their own work.   Shame.  Go look up this silent movie here on wikipedia and see for yourself.  It's the same exact twist ending and many of the same ideas (the two guys investigating, murders, insane asylum, etc.).   Someone should add a section to this entry about that but I don't know how.   TS  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.65.42.142 (talk) 06:01, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This movie/novel is a complete ripoff of The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (silent movie from 80 years ago) 

message: Was it set in 1954 or 1955?  I thought it was set in 1955, during the double-header hurricane that hit new england in 1955 (two storms, less than a week apart).  I don't have the book handy to check, unfortunately. Rmd1023 (talk) 19:32, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 1954 or 1955?

message: I reverted this edit  which included:though his line "better to die a good man than to live as a beast" indicate that he is faking the regression and choosing to have the lobotomy, instead of living with his guilt. But according to this source  the author states that this ambiguous line was added by the screenwriters and wasn't part of the original novel. ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 21:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending from the novel or the movie? 

message: From the plot summary:
"The ending of the novel has Teddy receive a lobotomy in order to avoid living with the knowledge that his wife murdered their children and he is her murderer."
The German translation (Ullstein, Berlin 2004), ends with Teddy's still being delusional. He's talking to "Chuck" about escaping the island. "Chuck"/Sheehan signals to Crawley, and Crawley approaches them together with four orderlies carrying what appears to be a straitjacket.
92.35.8.248 (talk) 19:32, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different Endings In Different Versions?