Talk:Basque mythology

message: I think this article needs a sort of overview explaining what this Basque religion or mythology is, its role in the society, and its history. This article as it is now, is like having an article on the Bible and just summarizing it without explaining what it is. --Howdybob 07:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background info? 

message: Ok, I've begun a rewrite of this article to make it a bit more formal and to add more info and references. It'll take a while ;) Akerbeltz (talk) 07:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: Isn't Orko the Basque God of Thunder? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orko_(deity)
Armorbeast (talk) 08:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orko? 

message: I hate to point out something that may be base (or juvenile) but that cave image is really vaginal. Are we sure that's her "face"? And is there a reference to be had to that gives more information about this particular image? It would be useful if someone could point out if this image of her face is in profile or something else. Hires an editor (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mari's face/cave image 

message: Patxi Lezama, who in the main appears to be an artist, has written a 26 page self-published booklet of undetermined content entitled "Mitología vasca". He is not quoted to the best of my knowledge by any academic publications. So the mere fact that his titled is listed as a book on Basque mythology does not, by ANY stretch of the imagination, the RS requirements. Akerbeltz (talk) 11:30, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: A reference book in the Royal Academy of the Basque Language, the National Library of Spain, The National Library of Germany, The National Library of Albania, The National Library of Japan, The National Library of Russia, The University of Barcelona and a long etc, is considered a reference. If the book is listed in the best Libraries and universities in the world, it is because it is considered a reference for researchers. If not, they would not accept it in the National Libraries and State Universities.--85.85.62.11 (talk) 20:33, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact a book is *listed* does not make it a reliable resource. Many national libraries have a policy of collecting ANY book with an ISBN. If I self-publish a book in the UK claiming the sun is made of melted cheese today, the British Library will still demand its 5 copies that it is entitled to by law to preserve it for the future. They do NOT check the content for academic merit. You really need to read down to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Scholarship, primary resources are less and less idea. That means just because someone publishes a paper doesn't make it automatically reliable. You need respected colleagues in the field who come out and say "this person is talking good sense and their data is good" (periphrasing). Akerbeltz (talk) 09:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

text: I don't have a problem with people adding serious sources, whether they've been editing Wikipedia for 20 years or are some drive-by IP editor. That's why I don't have a problem with the Garagalza paper. But the Lezama stuff can't be taken seriously in an academic context. At worst, it's careless adding of unreliable sources. At worst, it looks like promotion. That's why I will continue to remove this "source" wherever I find it. A job, funnily enough, that takes up a significant amount of time that I might otherwise have been able to spend on editing content. Think about that, why don't you? Akerbeltz (talk) 10:22, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

text: Note that I'm ignoring all the repetive noise until someone actually shows hard evidence that Lezama is taken seriously by any bona fide academic working on Basque mythology. Anything else is a waste of time and energy. Akerbeltz (talk) 11:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

text: Ana Sagasti is not an authority on the topic, it doesn't matter how many politcal wings someone chairs or shows someone hosts on radio. And it's not even a proper article, it is literally word for word from Luz Cultural  and frankly reads like someone just copied and pasted the blurb from the back of the book. Akerbeltz (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

text: Numbers aren't your strong suit, are they? The Sagasti copypaste is dated 02/17/2019, the Luz Cultural article 8 diciembre, 2018. Last time I checked, 2018 comes before 2019. I'm done debating with you. Come back with something that will make the bar or I'll simply ignore - and if necessary revert - you. I really have better fish to fry than argue with some incoherent IP editor. Akerbeltz (talk) 09:24, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: The Lezama title