Talk:Carl Albert

message: I read that there was a certain amount of hesitence at the time to having Albert assume the Presidency because he was thought to be a heavy drinker. Should this be mentioned? -R. fiend 23:26, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, is his statement that if he assumed the Presidency he would step down when a replacement was selected a precedent? As it never panned out in the first place, and has certainly never been repeated, I don't think it qualifies. -R. fiend 07:38, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is as R. Fiend's.  It has, however, been suggested that the current presidential succession act, including the Speaker and President pro tem, is unconstitutional, because the Speaker and President pro tem are officers of the congress, not officers of the United States.  But that's all hypothetical. john k 19:52, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If Bush and Cheney both died, then the Speaker of the House (still Denny Hastert at this writing) would become President and would then nominate a new VP. The constitutionality of the succession act is pretty clear from Article II, Section 1: "Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected." An officer of the Congress of the United States is an officer of the United States. The issue of greater concern is the 4th in line, the President Pro Tempore (PPT) of the Senate. By tradition, that purely ceremonial post is held by the longest-serving Senator of the majority party, which, at the moment (until January 3) is the batsh**-insane Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska. Either the Senate should change the PPT to a real position, or the succession act should be changed so that someone like the Majority Leader takes the PPT's slot. Lincmad 16:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PPT is a "real position" (one mandated by the Constitution, at that). It's just that it's not a position that has any greater power than any other Senator, and thus is treated as ceremonial. 24.214.230.66 (talk) 07:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes, it would be a "conflict" for a Democrat Prez to nominate a Republican Veep, but Albert said plainly that he would do exactly that, and resign immediately upon the new Veep's confirmation. The instant the new Veep is confirmed and takes the oath of office, he jumps to the front of the line of succession. (He doesn't even have to be in office for a full minute.) President Albert could then resign, leaving the new VP as Prez. Carl Albert would have every right to resign as President for any reason he wanted; anything else would be involuntary servitude. Lincmad 16:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussion on Talk: President pro tempore of the United States Senate, Carl Albert may have been right (in becoming only Acting President). GoodDay 22:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: Here's something American historians have been arguing over for years. Does the Vice-President of the United States and if no VP ,then the next in line, automatically become President when the previous President dies, resigns or is removed from office, or does he or she have to take the Presidential Oath of Office to become the new President? Example: November 22nd ,1963 from the momment JFK died, did LBJ become President or did he stay Vice-President until 2 1/2 hours later when he took the Presidential Oath of Office aboard Air Force One? 23 October 2005.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.176.56.139 (talk) 18:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that's something anyone has argued about, because the answer is crystal clear: no one becomes President without taking the oath of office. The VP or the Speaker or anyone else in the line of succession might become acting President, but not President, without the oath. Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution is unambiguous: "Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation..." Lincmad 16:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At Noon EST Inauguration Day, the President-elect assumes office (oath or no oath) see Zachary Taylor & David Rice Atchison pages. Similarly, If a President dies, resigns is removed from office, the Vice President becomes President immediately (oath or no oath). GoodDay 22:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The President-elect becomes President at that time, but cannot exercise the powers of the office unless and until taking the oath. Thus, there is always a President of the United States, but sometimes one who doesn't yet have the power to act as President. 24.214.230.66 (talk) 07:17, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reopening Up ,an old can of worms

message: This article and other 'next in line' related articles, need complete re-writes. ONLY the Vice President can become President in the case of a Presidential death, resignation or removal from office. All other officials (in the Presidential line of succession) can only assume the Presidential powers & duties as 'Acting President'. GoodDay 18:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the generally accepted interpretation, on account of the Presidential Succession Act using the phrase "act as President". The thing is, the Constitution itself used the same phrase, until the 25th Amendment changed it to say the VP "shall become President". Since the 25th Amendment was ratified 20 years after the Presidential Succession Act, the difference in language doesn't automatically mean difference in intent. If someone other than the VP ever did fill a presidential vacancy, it's entirely possible that their own version of the Tyler Precedent could come into effect. 24.214.230.66 (talk) 07:58, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
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