Talk:Religious views of Isaac Newton/Archive 1

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message: Any hard info concerning the following would be much appreciated:
When J.M. Keynes bought "Newton's Trunk" at auction on behalf of his College in 1936(?) his remark about Newton's being not only the 'First Modern' but also the 'Last Magician' -(or words to that effet) were prompted by the enormous quantity of papers the Trunk containrd which were dedicated, apart from the running of the Mint,not to the 'public' Newton but to Alchemy and Biblical Studies. Of the 'Biblical' papers at least half, it seems, were concerned with the prophecies of the Book of Daniel, and that means close on HALF A MILLION WORDS (J-F Réziérs,'La Malle de Newton' PUF.1978). It was apparent for this French historian at least that Newton was convinced he, his society, was living in the 'Last Days'.Having laboured through the 'Book of Daniel' myself, I still don't get it. I mean which of the passages therein could suggest themselves so pertinently to the man who solved the riddle of our Solar system - and by extension Gravity itself throughout the Universe - and convince him The End Was Near?  (But then I was always "Whiggish,"- seeing History through our present day optic.) Seriously I can use all the help I can get on this.
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John Ruddy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.34.252.71 (talk • contribs) 14:24, November 26, 2005  (UTC)
:For seventeenth and eighteenth century Englishman the Book of Daniel had vaguely the kind of place the Book of Revelation has in today's Christian world. Why this is might seem perplexing today. However I believe non-Quaker Christians were more Old Testament focussed then today's. Although Newton in fact wrote on both books. (Although he called the Book of Revelation, The Apocalypse of St. John which was oddly the common name in Catholicism until modern times) Anyway from Chapter 7 onward Daniel concerns various visions. A certain amount of these visions in least sound vaguely apocalyptic in nature. Many to most modern Christians assume they refer to BC events or the life of Christ. Back then many Christians assumed they could refer to events still in the future. To add one last thing I changed the way your message is displayed, slightly, because as it was it was hard to read. Whether this answer helps the article or not I don't know.--T. Anthony 09:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As to why a scientist would be interested in Christian apocalypticism many reasons come to mind. During Isaac Newton's life many troubling things happened in England and so apocalyptic or millenarian thinking was common in the culture. For example the Fifth Monarchists were a millenial group active from 1649 to 1661. They specifically relied on the Book of Daniel to a large degree. They started around the time Newton was seven and dissipated or ended when he was 19. (I don't think he was connected to them, but I think it was in the culture) In 1666 there was the Great Fire of London. There was also the rule of Oliver Cromwell in his youth. Lastly Newton himself was a Christian of some kind.--T. Anthony 10:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: "Newton is generally thought to have been unitarian and Arian, not holding to Trinitarianism. He listed "worshipping Christ as God" in a list of "Idolatria" in his theological notebook.[3] In a minority view, T.C. Pfizenmaier argued that he held closer to the Eastern Orthodox view of the Trinity rather than the Western one held by Roman Catholics, Anglicans and most Protestants.[4]"
This text contains self-contradiction. If Newton argued that worhipping of Christ was a form of idolatry, his thinking has nothing in common with Eastern Orthodox thinking which fully proclaims the divinity of Christ. It's true that there is a difference between the western and eastern way of understanding the trinity. The western Augustine view sees total equality in the Trinity (for example with proceding of the Spirit from both the Father and the Son) and makes it extremly clear that there is nothing but ONE god. The eastern Basilian view of Trinity sees the Son and the Spirit as the "hands of the Father in the world" eaven if they are equal and clearly rejects the western view of doubble "procedding". This makes clear that Newton had [neither] a tradtional eastern nor a western view of the trinity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.67.175.94 (talk • contribs) 15:29, June 23, 2006  (UTC)
:Yes, these are contradictory views. As explained in the text, most historians accept the first one as representative of Newton's position (he was not a Trinitarian), while one scholar holds a differing opinion (he was Trinitarian, but more similar to the eastern rather than western tradition).  Both sources are cited, so you may examine them.  --Blainster 19:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Newton's unitarian views

message: The quotes that use "Tiner, J.H. (1975). Isaac Newton: Inventor, Scientist and Teacher. Milford, Michigan, U.S.: Mott Media." as a reference don't include page numbers in the footnotes. Lack of page numbers makes it extremely difficult to verify the quotes. Omitting page numbers in footnotes is a very poor citation habit because it makes verification difficult. The ability to verify information is the whole purpose of using references in the first place. --JHP 02:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
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