Talk:Remington Model 870

message: I don't think this line really belongs: "Currently, only the Mossberg 500 provides genuine competition to the 870. Manufacturers like Winchester, Benelli, Browning, have been left far behind in sales.".   It needs a citation, as last I heard Benelli was far outselling the 500s and 870s in the budget defense/tactical type shotgun, and the tone is just too NPOV in my opinion.  You'd also need to define what constitutes "genuine competition", as that's pretty subjective by itself. --Junky 19:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Competition

message: The Air Force M870 picture is a pretty poor picture (lousy lighting), and of pretty obscure 870 variant.  What would be a good typical 870 variant for the photo and does anyone have or can take a good image for this article?  A simple express or police model seems like the best choice to me. --Junky 21:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think that a simple picture of a Wingmaster style shotgun being used to shoot trap would be a fitting picture and show that this shotgun has more than just the "tactical" side. 70.131.221.160 (User spyder) 03:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Wow, it's been, what, 2.5 years since this comment was put in here?  Find us a free or public domain picture of an 870 and put it in.  This is Wikipedia, you're in charge.  Be bold. --Asams10 (talk) 16:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Different image?

message: Please see my reply to resolve this whole sourced/unsourced dilemma. Also keep in mind that I mean you no harm! I'm just trying to enforce policy. - Tronno ( t | c ) 19:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no internet source.  It was captured from a US Air Force web site.  It is sourced... not all pictures stay somewhere on the internet.  It's in the 2002 issue of Airman Magazine.--Asams10 19:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: You seem to disagree with me about whether or not it needs that link or that information. There is no RULE that says I have to do it and I've already given credit to the source.  There is no internet link and, unless you can prove I stole it, there is no reason to discuss this further.  It can stay.--Asams10 21:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The image

message: I found a page named Remington M870 Tactical. I believe that if the information can be verified that the page should be merged with this one. --Paulwharton 20:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As the creator of the article, I have no problems with the merge.  I assure you that the information regarding the weapon is accurate. Also, I'd given up on finding a free use image many months ago, and haven't spent much time looking since then.  If anybody reading this has one or could locate one, it would be much appreciated. Gamer Junkie 06:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this article IS about the tactical models--according to it, the only barrels available for the 870 are 10 to 18 inches.  What's really needed is info on the sporting models.  scot 21:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Finland issues this shotgun.  It should be added to the list .  66.191.19.217 (talk) 16:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Find a reference that says they issue the 870 and add it yourself.  You've tried to reference an unreferenced Wikipedia Article. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, it's been added with a reference to the Finnish Defense Forces site.  The other users need references too.66.191.19.217 (talk) 18:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

text: THANKS!!! Nice pictures on that site, BTW.  Wish I knew how to read Finish! --Nukes4Tots (talk) 19:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to help.  66.191.19.217 (talk) 20:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finland 

message: The Remington 870 is in fact in active service with the Philippine military. It is even posted on the Philippine Army and Philippine Marines. It is also in service with the Philippine National Police. The 870 is the main shotgun of the Philippines.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.37.68.88 (talk) 05:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool.  Post your reference. --Winged Brick (talk) 16:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippines 

message: This is used in (very small) numbers by the british army. Being phased out though, thanks to a new shotgun based on the M4 Super 90 being introduced. Was used mainly for breaching in N.I etc... but the new one is aimed more at afghanistan, for clearing rooms.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.23.50.232 (talk) 16:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: British

message: Read the section header. Don't make entries to the Users list without a citation from a reliable source. ROG5728 (talk) 23:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Source added.   might be a hair more polite than reverting an editor, btw.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 00:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The section header already serves that purpose. If the text wasn't removed, you would not have cited it. And if you had not cited it, it would not be verifiable so it would not contribute anything at all to the article. ROG5728 (talk) 00:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Some folks edit first and add the citations later, as I regularly do. Apologies for presuming your knowledge of firearms to include British nomenclature, thought you were Euro for some reason.  FYI...several Brit articles referring to that model link here as well.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 00:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a matter of verifiability, not knowledge. I don't doubt the weapon is used in the United Kingdom and other countrys. But you can't assume every reader will know that. A citation allows anyone to verify it. Without a citation no one will know where the information came from. And if they don't know the information came from a reliable source, they won't have any faith in the article. ROG5728 (talk) 01:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't disagree with citations, as I've probably added more of those to articles than actual written prose, I'm just saying I don't revert established editors who I know will add a source in an hour or so.  The  thing was, you left USA in there unsourced with a  tag and only removed the UK one, so you had to have some doubt.  I sourced them both because it was easier than deleting it.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 02:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I couldn't have known what you were planning to do later. If you're going to add a source in an hour or so, you can wait that long to revert my edit too. The reason I didn't remove USA is because I wasn't watching the article back when it was added to the list. I noticed it later (recently) so I only tagged it. ROG5728 (talk) 02:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Kingdom 

message: Why exactly is the 870 used by the US Department of Education? Nerdly dood (talk) 01:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Education?

message: "In the United States, where Norinco products are specifically non-importable, this gun is imported and sold under the names Norinco Hawk 982 and Interstate Hawk 982."
This sentence contradicts itself. Dtaylor05 (talk) 22:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit needed 

message: I'm not sure where this should be mentioned in the article, but I very strongly feel that it is inappropriate for it to be in the header. 174.227.128.115 (talk) 21:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it's inappropriate anywhere in the article. It's not noteworthy or relevant. ROG5728 (talk) 23:13, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree on the anywhere part. Wikipedia already has precident. Look at the JFK assassination page. It talks abiout the gun then click that and it goes to to gun page, Carcano. On the Carcano page there is a Wiki link to the John F. Kennedy assassination rifle. So there is a full 360. I do agree it should not be in the header. It should be set like other Wikipedia pages. 216.81.81.85 (talk) 11:37, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As I wrote in a reply on my talk page: "The text ... does not belong there, it's as simple as that. I don't for a second doubt that the reference you provided is correct but text about what murders have been committed with which weapon does not belong here, it's outside the scope of the articles. AFAIK most murders are committed with knives, but you don't see a list of murders in that article, nor do you see a list of atrocities committed with the Kar98k, AK-47 or M-16 in those articles.". Thomas.W talk to me 11:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree the text does not belong. I only added what Wikipedia has done in the same type thing. I think you have me confused or are trying to put words in my mouth. 216.81.81.85 (talk) 11:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing I would like to know is if you speak for the Department of Homeland Security, which your IP leads to, or only express personal opinions. If they're only your personal opinions you should use a registered account to avoid misunderstandings. Thomas.W talk to me 11:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Really; so you attack the messenger since you are getting upset your bad edits and/or opinion is called out?   Try and keep a more civil approach or take some time off.  216.81.81.85 (talk) 11:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't attack the messenger. You're free to edit either way, I just like to know who/what I'm talking to. But it's also common courtesy not to make personal edits from an IP belonging to a company, organization or government body since all edits made from such an IP could reflect, possibly in a negative way, on the owner of it. So it was a friendly advice, not an attack. Thomas.W talk to me 12:07, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  No it’s pretty clear you are getting upset and now attacking the messenger, why even look at my IP if not looking for a reason to use it against someone. This is not even the right place it seems to bring this up. At no time did I say I was representing anything other than myself, yet you seem to be, again, assuming something not brought up. As said, Try and keep a more civil approach or take some time off. If you like contact an Admin and have them look at this page if you think your edits have been civil and/or proper. 216.81.94.68 (talk) 12:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I always look at IPs to see where they're from (WP even provide a quick link for it named "Geolocate" at the bottom of the contributions page of all IP-editors). So don't flatter yourself, you're not being singled out. And as I said, suggesting that you use a registered account was a friendly advice, just to avoid misunderstandings, because I'm not the only one who has a habit of geolocating IP-editors. Thomas.W talk to me 12:23, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was no reason to look, let alone your un-civil response and improper way of going about it. That and you keep going on in an improper place trying to defend your un-civil edits.  Again, contact an Admin and have them look at this page if you think your edits have been civil and/or proper. 216.81.94.68 (talk) 12:26, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Un-civil? There's  nothing uncivil about my question, or my friendly advice that you use a registered account instead of editing from an IP that belongs to the DHS. But if you feel there is you are of course free to contact an admin. Just stop trying to portray yourself as some kind of abuse victim here. Sheeesh. Thomas.W talk to me 12:33, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again, if you are not being un-civil then why do you keep posting on a subject that is improper and in the wrong place over and over? You now are coming off as very deluded and need to just drop it. 216.81.94.68 (talk) 12:37, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

text: To the IP user, Wikipedia does not operate by precedent. Pointing to other stuff on Wikipedia is NOT a valid reason to add more of the same content to another Wikipedia article. Also, you need to stop edit warring on this article and inserting meaningless cleanup tags. ROG5728 (talk) 14:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look at the JFK, sandy hook, etc... all other events like this are tied together the same way. I am following the other Wikipedia articles that match this as base. In fact the sandy hook one the gun page has a bigger piece like the original editor wanted to add. I think the middle approach is better between the 2 of a large line vs nothing. 216.81.94.68 (talk) 19:45, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: An article about the Sandy Hook Shooting is not comparable to an article about a Remington 870 shotgun. Very different subjects. Regardless, Wikipedia does not operate by precedent. Pointing to other stuff on Wikipedia is NOT a valid reason to add more of the same content to another Wikipedia article. ROG5728 (talk) 20:12, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

text: I agree, it now relivant to story as shoorter used 870 gun and put writing on gun with messages. News supply information on this. Should be include as well.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamTheClam (talk • contribs) 00:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice, sock, why not jut say the shooter was following Vice President Biden's advice and using a shotgun? Speak English, much?--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 09:25, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nice troll language. What that has to do with 870? SamTheClam (talk) 01:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington Navy Yard Massacre 

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message: Excuse my ignorance, but does the pic at the top of the page have a modified non-Remington stock and grip, or other non-Remington modifications?  Or is that all Remington. I'm asking because it seems to me that the lead picture of a piece of equipment in an article should represent factory output, without after-market add-ons or modifications.  Hopefully it's all Remington. Marteau (talk) 01:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Picture... is that modified? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Remington Model 870]] 

message: The wiki page for the Ruger Mini-14 has a detailed itinerary of crimes committed with it. Why can't the page for the Remington 870 have a smaller list? TheEpicGhosty (talk) 13:32, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Criminal Use