Talk:List of census divisions of Ontario

message: The latest update of the Municipal Act (the same one that created the unicities of Hamilton, Haldimand, Norfolk, Greater Sudbury and Ottawa) also created the Regional Municipality of Oxford County, even though its popular title is still Oxford County and no reference to the RM is made.  I added this information to the Oxford County page and moved Oxford County into the list of RMs on this page, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about the editing tools to modify that table at the bottom of the page.  If someone wants to fill me in, or make the change, that'd be great.  -- Snickerdo 05:57, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regional Municipality of Oxford County 

message: This article could probably use a bit of a re-write, but I don't want to do anything major until getting input from all the contributors to this article.  As of 2001, there is legally no difference between a County, RM or District Municipality in Ontario - they're all legally considered 'Upper-Tier Municipalities,' though Oxford and Muskoka are legally considered a Regional Municipality for the purposes of legislation prior to 2001.  The Ontario Municipal Act also makes specific reference to what each individual upper-tier municipality has jurisdiction over, and whether that jurisdiction is then passed down to the lower-tier municipalities (through non-exclusive agreement) or can only be handled exclusively by the upper-tier municipality.  There is also no legal difference between townships, towns and cities from a Municipal Act standpoint, although certain legislation can make reference to a section that only applies based on the corporate status of a lower-tier municipality (e.g. the Highway Traffic Act applies a non-posted limit of 80KM/h to 'townships,' but 50KM/h to 'towns' and 'cities').
While discussed previously, this article should probably be split into two - Census Divisions of Ontario, which would list CAs and CMAs and their boundaries which are different from the municipalities, and then a new article called 'Municipal Structure of Ontario' that discusses single-tier, upper-tier and lower-tier municipalities, and the historic differences between Regions, Counties, Towns, Cities, Townships, etc.
Does anyone have any thought on this?  I'd like to begin the changes some time over the Christmas weekend.  -- Snickerdo 02:05, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: CA's anc CMA's have nothing to do with Census Divisions, but I like the idea of a municipal structure page. And dont forget this page: list of census subdivisions in Ontario Earl Andrew 02:39, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The only reason I believe there should be a re-write is because of how you can get a census division (e.g. Brant) that consists of two single-tier municipalities, or you can get another census division (e.g. Oxford) that's called a county but legally an RM prior to the whole difference being removed, and then you have Wellington which is an upper-tier municipality with a single-tier municipality within it that is still part of the census division.  It's a bit confusing.  The Census Divisions article can make reference to the actual census divisions, as well as the agglomerations and metro areas, and then the municipal structure article can make reference to just how the municipal system in Ontario works. -- Snickerdo 03:12, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Again I ask, what do agglomerations have to do with census divisions? Earl Andrew 04:36, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You better clarify what you mean by a Census division, because census is handled by Statistics Canada, and Municipal Structure is handled by the Ministry of Municipal Affairs.  They are not one and the same.  By that same token, Niagara is NOT a Census division, but each municipality inside it is an individual census division on its own, when combined form a CMA.  A page about census divisions talking about municipal strucutre, such as this one, just leads to confusion, since most of the information is out of date or doesn't apply.  If you want to split hairs, that's fine by me, but there should be an article that talks about municipal structure, and an article that talks about the census divisions with no reference to how municipalities are handled in the province. -- Snickerdo 05:57, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Bah, I have a feeling that we're going to start debating like the previous section above.  How about we just remove all the municipal-type information from the census division page, simply including the naming and historic information on Ontario's census divisions (perhaps even discussing the evolution of the divisions, etc) and then a new page for how municipal strucutre is handled, including single-level, upper-level, lower-level, the duties and responsibilities of each type, etc? -- Snickerdo 06:06, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite? 

message: My work on the list of Single Tiers goes to 2005, there have been changes since then as more and more cities and towns become single tier all over Ontario. Someone can lend a hand to cross check for changes from the Ministry list and add new single-tiers on the main published list that would be greatWikiWoo 03:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an article about census divisions.  You are adding things that are not census divisions.  In addition, you are mistaking lower-tier municipalities for single-tier municipalities in many cases.  You also have some very odd naming scheme--no town, (or city or township, or village for that matter) in Ontario has the name "Town of Single Tier [name]". OzLawyer 06:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've done quite a bit of work expanding the list 

message: Since WikiWoo is intent on creating a list of single-tier municipalities in Ontario (it's part of a tirade against Regional government), I have created a very basic list of all the incorporated municipalities in Ontario within the sections of single-tier municipalities, regional municipalities, counties, separated municipalities, and districts.  This page currently resides at User:Osgoodelawyer/sandbox.  I have advised WikiWoo that if this page is to be made into an article, it should be named List of Ontario municipalities.  If he takes my advice, I'm sure the page could do with a lot of work from those working on this article. OzLawyer 15:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The page has been created (by me), now sectioned into single- and dual-tier municipalities, with subsections for the types of municipalities (but little text besides the listing of municipalities--aside from WikiWoo's header).  The page is very crowded and might do better being split into sub pages. OzLawyer 16:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Ontario municipalities 

message: It appears as though, according to the new map put out by StatsCan, that they are still together as a census division. Take a look at the map: http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss2006/Maps/Maps_Cartes/SGC-CGT/11_ON(s)_2006.pdf?series=CD-CSD&geography=11_ON%28s%29_2006&fileName=http%3A%2F%2Fgeodepot.statcan.ca%2FDiss2006%2FMaps%2FMaps_Cartes%2FSGC-CGT%2F11_ON%28s%29_2006.pdf
-- Earl Andrew - talk 07:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haldimand / Norfolk 

message: If districts have no governmental role, then why even have separate districts in the first place?  Why not just have one large area that isn't part of a county/regional municipality?  In other words, what exactly separates, say, Rainy River district from Kenora district if neither have any kind of governmental power?  Why have them as separate districts anyway?  98.221.128.109 (talk) 03:48, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Districts? 

message: Is there any correspondence between divisions vs the census tracts detailed here: Census Tracts, Cartographic Boundary File - 2016 Census? The tracts are discontinuous, unlike the divisions. --scruss (talk) 18:03, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is definition of census division while here is the definition of census tracts. Census tracts are only in place within census metropolitan areas and census agglomerations where the population of the core is 50,000 or greater (though the tracts do continue to exist if the core's population dips below 50,000). Hwy43 (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Divisions vs tracts? 

message: The definition of "single-tier municipality" on this page does not match with the information at List of municipalities in Ontario#Single-tier municipalities. The list here says there are 9 single-tier municipalities in Ontario. The other says "Ontario has 173 single-tier municipalities." :Category:Single-tier municipalities in Ontario has 173 entries. - Themightyquill (talk) 14:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The one on this page doesn't cite any sources, the one on List of municipalities in Ontario#Single-tier municipalities cites the Ontario's Municipal Act, 2001. The latter is thus accurate. Mattximus (talk) 00:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

text: , while I can’t explain the state this article is in I can advise that of Ontario’s 173 single-tier municipalities, 9 of them essentially comprise an entire census division whereas the balance are census subdivisions that only form portions of other census divisions. Hwy43 (talk) 08:28, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, but that just means that single-tier municipalities do not generally correspond at all with census divisions, and so probably shouldn't be used on this page, except perhaps in passing. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of "Single-tier municipalities" 

message: There is a big difference between The Census Division named "Simcoe County" and The administrative unit named "Simcoe County". The former includes the cities of Barrie and Orillia; the latter does not. Similar situations apply to Wellington (Guelph), Brant (Brantford), Peterborough County (City of Peterborough) etc. How can we best show this in the table? Tompw (talk) 12:49, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, Middlesex has London, Essex has Windsor, Elgin has St. Thomas, Hastings has Belleville, Frontenac has Kingston, Leeds and Grenville has Brockville, etc. Personally I think this whole setup needs to be rebuilt from the bottom up to be based on the administrative divisions that have an actual impact on the lives of residents (bylaws, services, taxes, ownership/liability of public property, etc.), and not the census divisions that are purely for statistics. Just means demographic information, in some cases, will have to come from the Federation of Canadian Municipalities or the municipalities themselves rather than StatsCan. - Floydian τ ¢ 14:20, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  General problem with Counties section 

message: , , , ,  et al: this article, in all four tables, has a "seat" column. Is the term "seat" actually in use in Ontario to signify the community locations in which counties, regional municipalities, districts, and CD-level single-tier municipalities are administered from? Or is the "seat" concept simply a colloquial extrapolation of the county/seat concept that is widespread in the United States? If the former, are there reliable sources that verify application of the "seat" concept, particularly in legislation, provincial publications, municipal organizations, etc.?Also, in the first table on this page, it is peculiarly redundant to have a column that states Subdury, Hamilton, Ottawa, and Toronto are the seats of the cities of Greater Sudbury, Hamilton, Ottawa, and Toronto. Perhaps the entries for those four should be null as cities don't have seats and it is self-explanatory? Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 00:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If not seat, what other term would you use? I know my old atlases use the term 'seat' for Ontario's counties. Probably used a lot more historically. -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:41, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends on the provincial or territorial jurisdiction. In the absence of any formal alternative to seat, it is simply an office location or administrative location. We have a county-obsessed disruptive IP editor operating throughout western and northern Canada trying to impose the county/seat concept across rural municipality types. I am trying to determine which provinces in central and eastern Canada have a justified, genuinely accepted county/seat relationship. I have confirmed NS and PE (historical for sure). In process of doing same for shire towns in NB. I think Ontario is justified. Just trying to confirm the connection. Hwy43 (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Application of the seat concept in Ontario 

message: Reading through the relevant legislation for Ontario's Districts, I'm fairy certain their official title is "Territorial District" not "District". They're referred to as such in the Municipal Act, 2001 and Division of Ontario into Geographic Areas, Ontario Regulation 180/03. Additionally, instead of the districts being called "Algoma District
", "Cochrane District", ect, O Reg 180/03 explicitly refers to them as "Territorial District of Algoma", "Territorial District of Cochrane", ect. WanukeX (talk) 23:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Territorial Districts versus Districts