Talk:Gastarbeiter

message: At my  page at Simple English Wikipedia. Here it was used literally.  But it also had the pejorative meaning, accidentally ... Shenme 00:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An example use 1970's 

message: As far as I know, also from frequent visits in the former GDR (DDR), Gastarbeiter from Poland had full freedom of movement, lived in no worse conditions than Germans and frequently lived in GDR with their families. Anyway, in the 1970s the border between GDR and Poland was open, so Poles could freely move around East Germany and citizens of GDR could freely move around Poland. So please correct these mistakes in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.207.113.61 (talk) 13:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish Gastarbeiter in East Germany 

message: "the government and others in society ignored the integration of the migrants. This led to educational, religious and social discrimination of the migrants in Germany." 
So, if I went to Turkey to work on a visa granted for a year, I could expect the state there to help me integrate and not discriminate against me educationally, religiously and socially?  Is it the fault of the Germans that these people brought their families, rather than returning home as was the original agreement?
What precisely do you mean by discriminating against them religiously? Were they forbidden to practise their religion? Were they subject to the same kind of restraints that for example Christians would be if they went to live in a Muslim-dominated country?
Can I go to one of the Eastern countries with a large number of people from my country and demand that they provide me with services in my native language? Should I demand that we be given grants for social and cultural activities?
194.46.227.233 17:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added something on claims of religious discrimination. Would like if you tell me if it is too much...-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 18:16, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They were not discriminated meaning badly treated. They were treated as not immigrants but guest workers. Thus for instance, there was no purpose to teach their children extra German lessons at school. The purpose was, if it could be achieved, to teach them extra Italian, Turkish, Greek lessons. This was even the tenor of a education-ministerial flyer I know of of as late as the late 1990s, but then bureaucracy works slowly...--91.34.247.236 (talk) 10:17, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Did it?

message: As an Eurasian-German person I really think this article unfortunately is full of anti-German sentiment. It makes statements like "Following the fall of the Berlin Wall and German reunification in 1990, the population of guest-workers still remaining in the former East Germany faced deportation, premature discontinuation of residence and work permits as well as open discrimination in the workplace. Out of the 100,000 guest-workers remaining in East Germany after reunification, about 75% left because of the rising tide of xenophobia in former East German territories."
Any person who faces "open discrimination in the workplace" may sue, because Germanys has laws against discrimination. I also wonder if there is any source for the statement that "about 75% left because of the rising tide of xenophobia in former East German territories"
While there definetly is xenophobia in Germany, I do not think it is worse than xenophobia in any other country.-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 16:53, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-German sentiment

message: I removed: "In political discourse, the term has also become loaded, having been used sometimes by right-wing extremists in conjunction with the demand to expel foreigners and their children.". A lot of people call themselves or their parents Gastarbeiter see: http://www.spiegel.de/unispiegel/studium/0,1518,506940,00.html-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 16:45, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Political context

message: I changed "The generation born in Germany attended German schools, but had a poor command of either German or Turkish" to "but some had a poor command of either German or Turkish". I actually have not read the original source for that sentence, but I think it is highly unlikely that a scientific text states that "the" Turkish (every single one of them) speaks neither Turkish nor German. A number of Turkish may have poor command of both languages. The number may be high or low, but "the Turkish" means every single one of them and that is definetly not true.-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 16:00, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: the Federal Republic of Germany had guestworker agreements with Italy, Greece, Turkey, Morocco, Portugal, Tunisia and Yugoslavia - yet there are several parts that only talk about turkey/turkish guestworkers (including the map)178.210.114.106 (talk) 12:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and changed the picture which now shows the recruitment of Irish guest workers.--Charlene1989 (talk) 19:10, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  not just turkey 

message: Near the top of the article, it says, "The labour shortage was made more acute by the creation of the Berlin Wall in August 1961, which reduced the large-scale flow of East German immigration virtually to zero overnight."  This seems to be referring to a labor shortage in West Germany.  Then further down it says, "East Germany faced an acute labour shortage, mainly because of East Germans fleeing into the western zones occupied by the Allies; the building of the Berlin Wall (1961) exacerbated the labour shortage."  This seems to be talking about East Germany.
How could the Berlin Wall worsen a labor shortage on *both* sides of the Wall?  Is one of these two statements a misinterpretation of some source(s)? Mcswell (talk) 22:13, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the unsourced bit about the wall from the GDR section. Less labourers were able to flee because of the wall.--Charlene1989 (talk) 19:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact there was an inflow of East Germans which abruptly stopped in 1961. Of course afterwards there was the occasional flight and also the occasional allowed Ausreise in growing numbers (especially after 1975 when the GDR had to print the OSCE protocols in their newspapers, thus making it known to the public that their government itself had in principle signed an acknowledgment of a right to emigrate - after years of waiting for approval and of discrimination of course), but they would not have any-more any significant effect to the workforce. The GDR was well-known for allowing with, comparatively little difficulties, old-age pensionists to go abroad, but not those of lesser age.--2001:A60:15BB:9501:E911:992F:42AB:111A (talk) 21:09, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berlin Wall 

message: to the user who corrected one specific passage, which I just happened to stumble over in an old version. I mean that nonsense about the "interracial Spanish-German marriage". If we want to use the term "race" at all (some don't like to, but, for protocol, I mean that heritable features in looks for which the word seems the shortest abbreviator), Spanishmen and Germans belong to the same race, commonly called the whites or the europides. As do the Irish and the Italians. I wonder why I added that ;-) --2001:A60:154E:4901:D57A:8F60:8E4B:201B (talk) 23:15, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Some belated thanks

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm intrigued at how the article now represents the term "gastarbeiter" as a quaint term used in the past but everything's all good now ho-hum. Is this because the article's referenced sources have whitewashed history, and so the article merely reflects that omission of half a century of momentary friction? "Gastarbeiter, as a historical term however, ..., is neutral ..." Not in my experience of that time, where it approached "wetback" in vehemence.
It is perhaps not so much a re-writing of history, as an agreement that we'll just not talk about certain bad parts of history? How nice. Shenme (talk) 01:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweetening history 

message: This article needs to be labelled as not meeting Wikipedia's standards. Too many things wrong with it. The timeline is all over the place, the style is not encyclopedic and the choice of wording and phrasing is poor. 62.228.228.201 (talk) 09:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Badly written article