Talk:Strikeforce (mixed martial arts)

message: added note with source about strikeforce on nbc Bhcompy (talk) 19:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  strikeforce on nbc 

message: Do not put a Communist Vietnamese () flag next to Cung Le's name. According to MOS:ICONS, these flags next to people's name is to show their sporting nationality, and Le has never represented Socialist Republic of Vietnam as a sportsman. He has however fought with the South Vietnamese (Republic of Vietnam) flag, but that country does not exist anymore. And there's no easier way to piss off a S. Vietnamese refugee like Le than to associate them with the Communist Vietnamese banner. Cung Le is however an American citizen and has been credited as representing America in his fights before, and as such, the American flag is most appropriate. hateless 07:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag on Cung Le

message: I really think we should do this now that Strikeforce is turning into a major organization.  I am requesting help in revamping the Strikeforce page and the creation of these requested pages, being that more people are going to start paying attention to the organization (due to their TV deals with Showtime, CBS and their purchasing of EliteXC's remaining assets).
Eightbitlegend (talk) 15:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I'll try to help out where I can. Just let me know if you need help with anything specific. --aktsu (t / c) 16:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Re-creation of events page and creation of a champions page

message: In hindsight it would probably have been better to centralize discussion here, but I've posted about my issue with the "First female MMA championship bout"-section at WT:MMA and about my problem with the lead at WP:NPOV/N. --aktsu (t / c) 21:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: is there a pic of an Elite XC fight on an article about Strikeforce? SChaos1701 (talk) 21:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can only speculate. All of them have been removed as a breach of our non-free-content criteria though. --aktsu (t / c) 02:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

text: *The consensus at WT:MMA was that fighters who have headlined an event are notable.  Neither on has yet headlined an event.  Injury, sickness, untimely death could all prevent one of them from headlining in the future so it is just best to wait.  The list of notable fighters should be updated only after they do something notable in the promotion.  --Drr-darkomen (talk) 03:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

text: *The fact Fedor signed with the promotion should be as much notability needed seeming he was the biggest free agent. The match is confirmed at http://www.tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=288937  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punisher88 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *We're talking about notability in relation to the Promotion.  Fedor is a notable fighter in PRIDE.  Fedor is a notable fighter in Affliction.  Fedor has not done anything yet to be a notable fighter in Strikeforce.  --Drr-darkomen (talk) 04:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Fedors signing is huge news for the promotion to diminish his signing as not notable would be stupid, also Rogers should be listed as he knocked out Arlovski at strikeforce: lawler vs shields I find it very disrespectful not to mention Fedor as he is now seen as the main draw.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punisher88 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

text: *You're kinda taking this personally aren't you? Wait a couple months and they will be on there per the criteria. It's not life or death or anything. :) --Drr-darkomen (talk) 04:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 8 taking it personal, why are you assuming?, thats a personal offense to assume things of other users. I think my points are valid and should be left up unless, a vote is put forward or a stronger reason is put foward.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punisher88 (talk • contribs) 04:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *It just seems like you are.  You're fighting so hard for inclusion that either you're taking it personally or you think that the consensus that was reached was horribly misguided.  If you're not taking it personally, fine.  If you want to go to WT:MMA#List_of_.22notable_fighters.22_at_Strikeforce and propose a new guideline be my guest.  The community will discuss it.  The fact of the matter is that we try to find ways to make maintaining the MMA articles easier.  And coming up with a strict guideline makes it easier.  The guideline we came up with is "Any strikeforce champion, strikeforce ex-champion, or fighter who has headlined a major srikeforce event (i.e. not challenger series / young guns shows)".  One you start in with the "well what about this guy and what about this guy" there are so many exclusions to the rule that the rule no longer holds value.  --Drr-darkomen (talk) 04:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the hell.... 

message: I strongly believe my contribution of Brett Rogers and Fedor Emelianenko should be reverted as they are confirmed on the strikeforce website and the strikefocre: fedor vs rogers wikipage. (Punisher88 (talk) 03:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *The consensus at WT:MMA was that fighters who have headlined an event are notable.  Neither on has yet headlined an event.  Injury, sickness, untimely death could all prevent one of them from headlining in the future so it is just best to wait.  The list of notable fighters should be updated only after they do something notable in the promotion.  --Drr-darkomen (talk) 03:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

text: *The fact Fedor signed with the promotion should be as much notability needed seeming he was the biggest free agent. The match is confirmed at http://www.tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=288937  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punisher88 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *We're talking about notability in relation to the Promotion.  Fedor is a notable fighter in PRIDE.  Fedor is a notable fighter in Affliction.  Fedor has not done anything yet to be a notable fighter in Strikeforce.  --Drr-darkomen (talk) 04:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Fedors signing is huge news for the promotion to diminish his signing as not notable would be stupid, also Rogers should be listed as he knocked out Arlovski at strikeforce: lawler vs shields I find it very disrespectful not to mention Fedor as he is now seen as the main draw.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punisher88 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

text: *You're kinda taking this personally aren't you? Wait a couple months and they will be on there per the criteria. It's not life or death or anything. :) --Drr-darkomen (talk) 04:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 8 taking it personal, why are you assuming?, thats a personal offense to assume things of other users. I think my points are valid and should be left up unless, a vote is put forward or a stronger reason is put foward.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punisher88 (talk • contribs) 04:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *It just seems like you are.  You're fighting so hard for inclusion that either you're taking it personally or you think that the consensus that was reached was horribly misguided.  If you're not taking it personally, fine.  If you want to go to WT:MMA#List_of_.22notable_fighters.22_at_Strikeforce and propose a new guideline be my guest.  The community will discuss it.  The fact of the matter is that we try to find ways to make maintaining the MMA articles easier.  And coming up with a strict guideline makes it easier.  The guideline we came up with is "Any strikeforce champion, strikeforce ex-champion, or fighter who has headlined a major srikeforce event (i.e. not challenger series / young guns shows)".  One you start in with the "well what about this guy and what about this guy" there are so many exclusions to the rule that the rule no longer holds value.  --Drr-darkomen (talk) 04:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: NOTABLE FIGHTERS

message: In the last month or so Batista's name keeps getting added and removed from the list of notable fighters.  I think part of the problem is the list of notable fighters for this article has different requirements than other MMA promotion articles.  The article currently has the requirements of:
The following fighters have either headlined an event in Strikeforce's main event-series (Including Young Guns and ShoMMA), held a Strikeforce World Championship or are newly signed to the organization.
The problem as I see it is the last clause, "or are newly signed to the organization."  Other promotion articles that list notable fighters (UFC and PRIDE) only list fighters who have won a championship, a tournament, or have headlined an event for that organization.  The extra clause for the Strikeforce list allows any newly signed, un-notable Joe Shmoe to be listed.  If someone truely notable is newly signed to the promotion (eg Batista, Fedor, Henderson) then it is likely they will be headlining an event quickly and will get on the list of notable fighters quickly.
I propose bringing the notable fighter's list, for this article, more in line with other articles.  The list of fighters (and the clause at the start of the list) should, IMO, read: 
The following fighters have either headlined a Strikeforce event, held a Strikeforce Championship, or won a Strikeforce sanctioned tournament.
This would also bring the list more in line with the general consensus of a previous discussion() at the MMA WikiProject.  
Comments?  Concerns?  Other suggestions?  --TreyGeek (talk) 18:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If no one has any arguments against the change I may modify this section in the next couple of days.  --TreyGeek (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

text: I've edited the list and put a 'reasoning' for each person who is still on it.  I was a little loose in a few places, particularly listing co-main event competitors for ShoMMA events.  I'm not sure how significant it is being the second-to-last fight at those events, but I kept those folks anyways.  (If someone removes them from the list I won't be heart-broken over it.)  Also to note, I only edited the people currently on the list.  I did not go searching through all of Strikeforce's events and find people who aren't already there.  --TreyGeek (talk) 00:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Fighters revisited 

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