Talk:Anarcho-punk

message: Does anyone know of any good anarchist metal bands? I really like punk, but (some) metal sounds really cool, but most of the lyrics suck. Anyone have ideas. I just got Napalm death's new cd and that's pretty good. Any ideas?
:DRI all the way... "Dealing With IT" should serve your needs of political metal or how bout SOAD hahahaha j/k
:Depends how metal you want it to be.  Behind Enemy Lines (w/ members from Aus Rotten) has very political lyrics but a fairly metal influenced sound.  Also, a lot of the Hardcore Nordic punk bands are anarchistic and have influences from the death metal scenes in Sweden/Norway (such as The Victims, Skitsystem and similar bands). FluxFuser (talk) 00:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Anarchist Metal?

message: I'm a non-British anarchist, so I don't know enough to edit this. But as far as I'm aware, Class War (as witnessed by their name, no less!) are NOT post-leftists in the slightest. If they were, they'd be the first post-leftist that I'm aware of who embrace class rhetoric. The defining feature of the post-leftist anarchist movement is that they consciously shun all connection with the left, including leftist variants of anarchism. Class War does not fit this bill at all. Can someone clarify this?
141.140.6.188 20:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Class War

message: I edited the lifestylism link to "lifestyle anarchism" where there's actually an article.  I guess you got to write an article on 'lifestylism' if you don't like the edit, or don't think the article is related  enough.
I think it's suspicious to say "this is a music genre" and then avoid mention of any representative artists. Who are the anarcho-punks? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by user:65.11.199.84 (talk • contribs) .
:The last paragraph of the intro gives three notable examples, and there is an entire list of musicians of anarcho-punk linked to at the end of the article. The Ungovernable Force 21:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lifestylism

message: It's said that 1-st anarcho punx were The Sex Pistols, but I think that were Iggy Pop! Wasn't it? I mean he was not so political, but well, @ least a little!
:The reference to the Pistols is in regard to the UK sun culture 90.249.207.216 (talk) 10:59, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't think 1-st were Sex Pistols 

message: This group seems pretty important and deserves a mention on this page. Does anyone have any info? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by D-Raven (talk • contribs) 20:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anarcho-punk federation 

message: this topic very one sided and bias and just focus' on the peaceful side of anarchy within punk rock and totally leaves out every other side. Ive been a anarchists and a punk rock for over 20 years now and have met many punk rockers who happen to be anarchist that are opposed to a peaceful world and a loving world and who don't care in the least about animal rights. why don't you post about this side of the punk rock and anarchy movement? because in the end its just as big (if not more so if you look at real people on the street and not just at bands) then the peaceful movement of punk rock.  65.207.126.47
you obviously have no idea what anarchism really is - what do you think it is, just chaos?  that's not anarchism, that's just nihilism.  i suggest you read into what anarchists really do - noam chomsky, emma goldman, rod coronado, naomi klein, ashanti alston, jello biafra - if your idea of what the word means comes from the sex pistols, i'm afraid you've been grossly misinformed and you should stick to listening to your cute little corporate-punk music and leave the real anarchists alone—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.77.66.78 (talk • contribs) 
lookup what anarchy means and you will see it doesn't just fit your narrow point of view (and you and the few persons that wrote most of this topic would know that if you truly researched anarchy in punk rock and not just looked at the band crass) and all of those points should be accounted for in topic and also i didn't do anything that is not allowed in the rules so this isn't vandalism im just trying to make this topic fair and unbiased. 65.207.126.47
umm - why don't you look up what anarchism really means - The word "anarchy" is from the Greek, prefix an (or a), meaning "not," "the want of," "the absence of," or "the lack of", plus archos, meaning "a ruler," "director", "chief," "person in charge," or "authority." Or, as Peter Kropotkin put it, Anarchy comes from the Greek words meaning "contrary to authority." [Anarchism, p. 284]
While the Greek words anarchos and anarchia are often taken to mean "having no government" or "being without a government," as can be seen, the strict, original meaning of anarchism was not simply "no government." "An-archy" means "without a ruler," or more generally, "without authority," and it is in this sense that anarchists have continually used the word. For example, we find Kropotkin arguing that anarchism "attacks not only capital, but also the main sources of the power of capitalism: law, authority, and the State."
i sincerely doubt you've been an anarchist for "20 years" - it just doesn't make sense that you've gone this long without someone telling you how wrong you are - find another word please cos this one is ours and people like you give it a nasty and tacky connotation.  you seem to have gotten your ideas not from anyone who actually knows or teaches anarchism like howard zinn or derrick jensen but from "the exploited" or god-forbid "slc punk".  i know i'm supposed to refrain from personal attacks, but anyone here will tell you how stupid you're being
::I'd like to take this moment to politely suggest that you both read WP:CIVIL before posting again. Murderbike 18:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this is pretty clear. And yes, not all anarchists care about animal rights, but I've yet to meet an anarchist who wasn't pro-peace. And we aren't saying all punks are like this, but anarcho punks are. What differentiates anarcho punks from other punks (inlcuding those that would call themselves anarchists like the Exploited or Sex Pistols) is that anarcho punks are interested in anarchism as a social and political movement and do (at least in theory) work towards those ends, which have always included opposition to war.  I'm looking at my book The Day the Country Died: A History of Anarcho Punk 1980-1984 by Ian Glasper (Amazon.com). The synopsis (which is on Amazon) even says "Anarchy, as regards punk rock, no longer meant 'cash from chaos', it meant 'freedom, peace and unity.'" Now some quotes from the introduction: "[...]Anarcho punk kick-started the mindset of a generation that would ultimately make serious headway in the struggle for human and animal rights." "The 'anarchy and chaos' punks, as examined in Burning Britain, professed not to care, but the 'anarchy and peace' punks did care" (Burning Britain was Glasper's first book). So sure, there are "anarchist" punks who are into chaos and violence, but they aren't anarcho punks, which is specifically differentiated from those other punks by their committment to actual anarchist ideas (which have always included opposition to war and mindless violence). Ungovernable ForcePoll: Which religious text should I read? 08:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate to have to point this out again, but Wikipedia talk pages are not forums for discussing the nuances of this question. It is for discussing the article itself, and its contents. If you want to discuss anarchism and violence, their are plenty of forums on the internet where that would be appropriate. Murderbike (talk) 21:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This topic is one sided and bias 

message: I removed two tags, one claiming that the article doesn't cite any sources, because it does cite some sources and already has a tag saying it needs to improve its sources, and the other which said it needs to be expanded. This tag is totally absurd, as the article is plenty long, and just makes a mess of the top of the article unneccisarily. Murderbike 00:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tags 

message: I think this article needs a complete re-evaluation -- namely exploring the question of whether kids with guitars can really claim to be anarchists. I mean, isn't there something terribly bourgeois about a bunch of mostly from the suburbs or hick-towns kids picking up guitars and claiming the anarchist mantle? It's very poseur. This article needs to examine it. I'm sure the leading theorists of anarchy would find it very odd indeed. Feedler (talk) 14:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like, rock on dude! But seriously, what would the founders of anarchism think of this? I believe they would be appalled by the bourgeois aspect of it all. Feedler (talk) 18:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia articles are to maintain a neutral point of view, which would definitely not include what some dead "founders" (like Peter Kropotkin maybe, who was not just formerly bourgeois, but a former prince.) would've thought of it in their future if they weren't dead. If you can find criticisms of anarcho-punk (from people who didn't die before it existed), insert them, and cite them. Otherwise you're just inserting YOUR point of view into this talk page, and that is not what talk pages are for. Murderbike (talk) 20:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if I upset anybody. But the point is, what would Proudhon for example think? And the tens of thousands of Anarchists who were persecuted or murdered for their beliefs -- how would they feel about their cause being hijacked by kids with guitars because Anarcy is "cool." It just rubs me the wrong way, how popular cultural fads kidnap these ideas. It would be good if someone addressed that in this article -- or at least explained how anarchist thought found its way into rock and roll. I'm concerned that some kid will come here and think that anarchism is a guitar style. 15:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, what you have to remember, is that "Anarcho-punk" IS a musical style, and it has been written about by reputable sources. What you're talking about, is your personal opinion, and speculation about what some racist guy who died over 100 years ago would (maybe?) think about something that happened 100 years later. Would you suggest that we mention in the Born in the U.S.A. article what George Washington may have thought about it were he alive? The problem with Wikipedia is that we can't just write what WE think about things. We have to use reliable sources and cite them. Oh yeah, some people don't think those beliefs are "hijacked", but being carried on faithfully. Murderbike (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Total Re-evaluation

message: I mean cmon.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.94.152 (talk) 02:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Murderbike (talk) 04:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this even a legitimate topic?

message: Now, this arcticle seems to state pretty clearly that it is a subculture/movement in punk rock. I agree with this as I have not seen any reputable source define ir as such. However, many user see fit to put Anarcho punk in the genre box in many pages  of many bands, such as Crass, and the Dead Keneddy's. As these things seem to contradict each other, it appears to me that we must reach a consensus on whether or not this is a genre. Personally, I belive it is not, but I would like to hear the opinions of other's. Johan Rachmaninov (talk) 21:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I feel it is a genre, just as much as most of the other genres used in Wikipedia, many of which are open to a certain level of debate, with consensus among editors often being the deciding factor. The genres included in infoboxes should help the reader understand more about the subject of the article, and excluding anarcho-punk as a genre in articles such as those on Crass will not benefit this encyclopedia.--Michig (talk) 17:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Of course it's a genre, and here's a definition. You wrote on the Crass talk page that AllMusic is "one of the most inacurrate websites i've ever seen, to the point of stupidity" but I don't agree with you at all. Their description is actually pretty accurate. By the way, see also Murderbike's comments, two subjects up.  Channel ®   23:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

text: As a non-anarcho-punk, I don't see why it can't be both.  If anarcho-punks have a consistent set of traditions regarding their musical aesthetics, they are taking part in a genre.  Further, if they share consistent set of traditions regarding their ethics, politics, fashion, and even eating habits, than they are taking part in a sub-culture.  This article can reflect both of these sides of anarcho-punk, and already does.  Editors may continue including "anarcho-punk" in the genre boxes.  This is not a problem.--Cast (talk) 06:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: So, why is "folk-punk" classifed with anarcho-punk? All punk crosses over into other punk, but fokkpunk is pretty far off from anarchopunk.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.44.216 (talk) 12:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Anarcho punk in genre boxs

message: i don't really pay attention to lyrics often, and i'd rather not break that habit, so i'll ask you all.  are there anarcho-capitalist punk bands, or just the commies?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.12.119 (talk) 16:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  anarcho-capitalism 

message: This article is pretty degraded and I'd like to do a general overhaul along regional/decade lines like a lot of the other music sub genre articles. check out my recent overhaul of folk punk. Speak now or forever hold your pizza.Carrionist (talk) 16:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: General Overhaul

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message: Currently, the link in the article to Red and Anarchist Skinheads redirects to a section within Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice, and not to the correct destination Redskin (subculture). I find I am unable to correct this misdirect by the usual means. Can someone help?
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