Talk:Huntley Wright

message: Whare did the idea that Huntley Wright was born Frederick Wright come from? It is known that Fred Wright Jnr was is brother. Why is there a link to Fred Wright Jnr's D'Oyly page on this page when this is NOT Huntley Wright? Surely repeatedly "copying" other sites incorrect details DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!!   Ozzi0206 (talk) 08:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone wrote - The Tatler 1/1/1902 refers to Fred Wright Snr as "the father of the five". "The five" are Maria (Marie), Frederick (Fred Jnr), Ada (Haidee), Walter (Huntley) and Albert (Bertie).  Why would they have two brothers named Fred, born three years apart?...  The 1871 census is as follows: Frederic Wright - Head - 43 - Comedian Jessie - Wife - 30 - ditto Maria - Dau - 7 - scholar Frederick - Son - 5 - ditto Ada - Dau - 3 - ditto Walter - Son - 2 - ------- Jane Curtis - Aunt - 44 - domestic servant Albert - Son - 2m  He married Christine Monica Margaret Taylor in Kensington London on July 27, 1898 using the name Huntley WrightItalic text. (Certificate of Registration obtained from GRO).  Huntley Wright was present at the death of his father Frederick 19/Oct/1911 in Hampstead London.... (signed by anon. user)
Hello.  What page number in the Tatler is that?  Does the Tatler article say the names of the children right in the article?  What other information is in that article?  The 1871 census and Ada Reeve info are very helpful!  Thanks!  Any other references you can find will be helpful, and I would enjoy helping you to expand Wright's article if you have more information that you wish to share.  Please see WP:RS for information on what kinds of sources we can accept.  All the best!  -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FREDERICK Wright?

message: Thanks so much for fixing that up. You did a wonderful job!  I don't have full details for the Tatler reference, just that. But it came from my uncle, so I will follow it up.  You noted Fred Jnr's incorrect birth date. It should be 8th March 1865, 49 Castle Street, Dover. Father: Frederick Wright, Mother: Jessie Wright formerly Francis, Father Occupation: Theatrical Performer and Comedian. (Birth Certificate GRO).  Anyway, back to Huntley. "...until the world war when he enlisted in September 1914. He became a second lieutenant in December of that year, a lieutenant in November, 1916, and a captain in 1917. He was demobolized in 1919."... "He had been engaged mainly in radio work during the period from 1936-1939." New York Times (Obituary) July 12, 1939.  I have a lot more to sift through. Will extract more over the next few days. You can decide what is relevant to the page. I'm just glad that the name correction was made. Pretty important piece of information.  As for the birth date of Huntley...I will be ordering a copy of that certificate soon. I will advise you of details.  Some other references you may be interested in: June 1906 The Geisha at Daley’s Theatre  “Huntley Wright, succeeded by his brother Fred Wright Jnr, as Wun Hi” 
http://footlightnotes.tripod.com/ Footlight Notes No.298 1910 BERTIE WRIGHT sheet music “I’m waiting here for Minnie” http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2930141  August 30, 1910 FRED WRIGHT JNR review of Our Miss Gibbs in New York Times  http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9C04E7D61E39E333A25753C3A96E9C946196D6CF  February 14, 1911 FRED WRIGHT JNR  Fred Wright in Vaudeville, New York Times http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B02E1DC1438E033A25757C1A9649C946096D6CF  Not sure what you will be interested in using.  Thanks again.  122.104.9.144 (talk) 11:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all the new info.  I have added some of this.  Yes, please do let us have the page numbers if you can find them.  We have enough info on Fred in this article already, since it is Walter's article, not Fred's.  Some day, perhaps, we'll do a separate article on Fred., but he was not as famous as Huntley Wright, and I don't have time to start an article on him now.  But I fixed his birth year.  Is there anything else in the NY Times obituary for Huntley Wright that we should include?  That seems promising.  Any other info from London obits that I have neglected?  All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More info re: Wright

message: It has been added that Christine Monica Taylor is Mary Fraser. Christine was Huntley's first wife. He petitioned for divorce in Jan 1911 (London Times Jan 12 1911). He married Mary M Smith in (Sep)1911 (GRO Index, Walter T C Wright - which is Walter Thomas C for birth name in GRO index). Could this be Mary Fraser? They had a son Mackinder Huntley Wright; also used the name Huntley Mackinder Wright (see probate notice http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/35288/pages/5623/page.pdf  AND son's listing on Roll of Honour http://www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/Cemeteries/Taukkyan_War_Cemetery/W/html/wr.htm).  I see that Huntley performed with Lionel Mackinder, possibly his son's name was a tribute (?) Betty Jessie Wright (Betty Huntley-Wright) was born (Mar)1912 (GRO Index); also the daughter of Mary Smith. Another daughter, Josephine M Huntley Wright was born (Sep) 1918 (GRO Index); she appeared in 'some' movies/TV (see IMDb).
Ozzi0206 (talk) 12:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mea culpa. In most unscholarly vein I made an assumption that the wife already mentioned in previous versions of the article was the same as the one mentioned in the obits. I shall go and do some more digging. I am also trying to pin down the date of HW's debut in the play that his father toured interminably. You have no idea how many copies of The Era one has to comb! Meanwhile, pray edit ad lib. - Tim riley (talk) 18:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Further enquiry clarifies things fairly well on the two marriages, but complicates matters on the progeny front. The Times for 12 Jan 1911 is clear enough on the first marriage: m. 1898, separated 1907, div. 1911; no children. The second wife Mary, married in 1911, can only be Mary Smith a.k.a. Mary Fraser: the GRO index confirms the former, and obits and Who's Who in the Theatre confirm the latter. So far so good, but Betty Huntley-Wright's entry in Who's Who in the Theatre, 1967 ed, gives her mother as Mary Fraser but her (Betty's) date of birth as 3 December 1911, not March 1912 as noted above. It is surely unheard of for an actress to add to her real age. If 3 Dec 1911 is correct, Miss Smith/Fraser was six months pregnant at the time of her marriage to Wright. March 1912 seems more likely from the point of view of pre WWI social acceptability. This need not affect this article, but Betty Huntley-Wright is redlinked and I am planning to write her up, which will be a bit tricky if we aren't even sure when she was born. Thoughts from Ozzi or SSilvers (or others) would be greatly appreciated. Tim riley (talk) 07:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Excellent. Happy to help if I can. I'll alert you on your talk page when I have the bones of an article on Betty H-W completed and all contributions will be gladly received. Tim riley (talk) 11:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mary Fraser 

message: The article refers to HW in a 1927 revival of the R of P. I can find no trace in the Times archive or anywhere else of a staged revival in that year (and the reference link in the article takes you to Page Not Found). The BBC transmitted a complete studio performance in that year, with HW in the cast, and I suspect that is what is meant here. (The Times, 29 Nov 1927, p. 21). HW is listed first of the cast members, and I assume he played Hassan, but cannot definitely confirm that. - Tim riley (talk) 10:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Later - the same goes for Miss Hook of Holland. I have removed refs to the "stage" revivals. Tim riley (talk) 11:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadcasting; article progress 

message: I received the birth certificate today. Born Walter Thomas Curtis Wright on 7th August 1868 (registered Jan 1869). Son of Frederick Wright and Jessie Wright formerly Curtis. This contradicts Fred Jnr's birth certificate which states Jessie Wright formerly Francis. Haven't sorted that one out yet, because Bertie's birth certificate states Jessie Emma Frances Wright formerly Curtis. I understend that this isn't really helpful, but at least it can be documented here in the discussion page. If anyone knows or finds anything....Ozzi0206 (talk) 08:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I fixed the birthdate and will wait for confirmation on Curtis v. Francis from you. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Loud applause! Is anything ever correct? Who's Who begat the DNB and the DNB begat the Times obit - and they're all wrong. Congratulations to Ozzi on a definitive piece of digging. Tim riley (talk) 20:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huntley's birth 

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