Talk:Personal safety

message: This page says nothing about the, I guess, American (U.S.) idea that people are in part responsible for their own safety.  In the United States this is often handled by the carrying of weapons, lethal and non-lethal, the training in martial arts or personal defense, or working to remain vigilant where necessary.
I would question the inclusion of "human security" in the topic of personal safety. Human security is itself a contested topic, and I would suggest that the redirect is misleading. A more adequately fleshed out page on human security would be useful, perhaps with a link to the personal safety page.
I disagree with the nomination for deletion. I was looking for a page on the strategy of using zones or a zone system as a means of providing security for a home. I am aware of an author Massad Ayoob (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massad_Ayoob) who has written extensively for many years about topics such as the defense of a home. Also is the author Gavin de Becker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_de_Becker). This area of interest and need is very pragmatic and I question the suggested allocation of this topic to "human security".
For instance, from the de Becker page there is mention of the "MOSAIC system" and I recall from Ayoob's writing mention of an OODA loop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_Loop) decision cycle. There is a body of work and knowledge in this field which seems to have not yet been well articulated or categorized yet by Wikipedia.
My suggestion is that personal safety, defense, and self-defense include topics of strategy, theory, and awareness which are very much appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. Sousurveillance might qualify as a strategy? I also see "Security" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security) with categories on "Types" and "Concepts". MOSAIC (de Becker), OODA Loops and Zones of access, retreat or intrusion may need to be under concepts.
When looking for the proper category for the article request I was seeking to place, I considered the topic area of "Social Sciences and Humanities" as a possible best fit but it seemed inadequate. The semantics of security as a right or need to be provided for for the individual from some level of social organization is different than security as an inalienable right of self-determination and an area of knowledge involving the individual, family or group as an actor using awareness, theory / strategy, physical aspects of ones environment, communication, and preparation to provide for their wellbeing.
May I suggest "Physical Security" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_security) as a category with "Personal Security" as a subcategory. Thank you. Mothership 19:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

message: I am nominating this page for deletion as it does not conform to WP:FRINGE, WP: VERIFY (unsourced), WP:NOR, or WP:NPOV.  It was made by an account that is owned by the person (Steve Mann) who created the concept of sousveillance, which makes this dangerously close to being a vanity page and at the very least makes it original research.  Alternately, I would be fine with seeing a rewrite that is more balanced if someone thinks it's important that something be here. If that happens, there needs to be a discussion of aspects of personal safety other than sousveillance and other technologies, such as self-defense classes or human rights.  However, I really am not sure that personal safety is an appropriate topic for an encyclopedia article (overbroad), but please feel free to make a case to me. Museumfreak 05:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There's only 2 links and they both go to the same page. It looks almost like some kind of viral marketing - there are a 1001 other ways to achieve "personal safety." -- RevRagnarok Talk Contrib Reverts 12:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion