Talk:10,000 BC (film)

message: There is really awkward English in the introduction of the article:
"The film is loosely based on Indian epic Ramayana, where king Lord Ram's wife is stolen by Lankan King Ravana and Ram pursues her while aligning with local tribes on his way to southern parts of India. The story of movie is much similar to the Indian epic, even the last neanderthals in form of monkey God Hanuman finds mention in the epic. Similarly in the movie lead character enforces alignments with local tribes of Sub-Sahara and arabian peninsula on his way from Urals to Egypt."
86.155.42.133 (talk) 20:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it all - it was WP:OR that was just shoehorned into the lead. If someone can find WP:RS, then it would fit better into a sub-section under "Development." There is certainly room to discuss Emmerich's inspiration for some of the ideas in this film . Emperor (talk) 20:48, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken English 

message: This is just like Stargate, another film he made. Similarities:
1. Primitive people (cave-men here, the people of Abydos in Stargate).
2. A cruel false god from an advanced society (Almighty here, Ra in Stargate).
3. People forced to build pyramids in a desert land.
4. The false god being one of the last of their kind.
It seems like he is trying to "re-imagine" Stargate, so Stargate should be listed in the influnces section! Tutthoth-Ankhre (talk) 17:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Special Features section of the DVD credits the work of credits Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the Gods ( which is duly mentioned in the Influences section. Stargate was influenced by Eric von Daniken's Chariots of the Gods. Hancock proposes a 'lost' civilisation that was still human, just more advanced, while Stargate proposes extra-terrestial influences following Von Daniken. I think the influence isn't so much Stargate, but Emmerich's penchant for alternative or pseudo-histories.  Paul Roberton (talk) 13:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The plot and general theme seems very similar too. And according the commentary, Ra (the false god in stargate) was, for most of filming, going to be human. It should at least be mentioned. Note: I haven't seen this movie, though I have seen Stargate. --Tutthoth-Ankhre~ The Pharaoh of the Universe (talk) 23:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just like Stargate! 

message: *
:Cliff Curtis in the film. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 14:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Citation now implemented. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations for use 

message: The images I included illustrate a stylistic correlation between the two movies in terms of costumes and sets.  They are not "purely decorative", but convey information that cannot otherwise be conveyed.  See Wikipedia:NFC#Images, item 4 for the rationale behind this.
Webbbbbbber (talk) 21:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at this, there are zero direct comparisons between 10,000 BC and the multiple caveman films listed in that article.  Where is the correlation?  Additionally, even if I am missing something, the content is rather sparse to warrant the significance of non-free images.  Remember that there are numerous images and videos of this film online, so there needs to be a pretty specific usage of a non-free image here beyond a passing reference. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: *How I told Brad Pitt to mind his language
*WonderCon Video Interview: Roland Emmerich on 10,000 B.C. and 2012!
*‘10,000 B.C.’ busts a spring on anthropological alarm clock
*Stunning Star Reveals Freezing Ordeal On Set Of Caveman Epic
*Miniatures master cuts dramatic backdrops down to size for '10,000 BC'
*Director Finds Independence On '10,000 BC'
*Getting It Strait About Steve: The 10,000 BC Steve Strait Interview
*Interview : Camilla Belle & Steven Strait
* Prehistoric movies frozen in time
*Action man
*'10,000 BC' invades Europe
Some headlines. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation dump 

message: What were the languages used in this film, other than English. I counted three, but I'm not sure if they are different languages and which languages they were. The towel-headed slave traders on horseback, was that reconstructed Akkadian/Sumerian or something (definitely not Arabic or Hebrew); the language of the pyramid-builders, I guess that would be reconstructed Ancient Egyptian? Finally, the language of Nakudu's tribe slash lingua franca of the alliance of tribes, which I have no idea. I couldn't find any information on Google about this myself. --Taktser 04:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The languages were invented by dialect coach Brendan Gunn, see: http://www.movies.ie/movies/features/Interview__10000_BC babbage (talk) 21:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: Anyone considering alternative synopsis? Like this one:
The movie depicts a touching love story between a young Siberian hunter and his Finno-Ugric girlfriend. Born and raised in a prehistoric hunter-gather tribe, D'Leh lived a troubled youth where the very livelihood of his tribe was threatened by the declining population of mammoths. The ancient Siberians, whose vicious exploration of nature resulted in considerable deterioration of the environment, must look to alternative means of livelihood.
It was at this very moment that the Semitic people of the South, who recently mastered the art of horse riding, smelting and sailing, invaded Siberia and enslaved D'Leh's fellow tribesmen, including his girlfriend, a Finno-Ugric orphan adopted by the tribe. Brave D'Leh decided to follow the invaders, and rescue his beloved from the hands of the enemy. With blessing from the village seeress, D'Leh embarked on this perilous journey with his mentor Tic'Tic, his colleague Ka'Ren, and a young boy Baku, whose mother was killed during the attack.
The Siberians went through the bamboo jungles of China, where they fought off terror birds of South America. Unfortunately, Tic'Tic was injured while both Ka'Ren and Baku were captured by the Semites. D'Leh miraculously carried Tic'Tic all the way from China to East Africa, where he made a dangerous encounter with yet another American predator, the smilodon. This time, he rescued the great cat, and earned its friendship.
Their stay in East Africa was not futile. D'Leh made friends with the aboriginal Africans, found the trails left by his long lost father, and tasted a vegetable that eventually was lost to the Old World for millennia -- chili peppers! Having summoned an army made up by the aboriginals, D'Leh chased the Semites to the bank of Nile river. He traversed the desert and arrive at Lower Egypt, ruled by an Atlantean tyrant who posed as a Jewish god.
The truth was finally revealed. The Atlantean Jewish god, having lost the other two associates of the holy trinity, became mad and started building a bunch of pyramids, complete with golden Eyes of Providence, 3000 years before they should have existed. Employing Dravidian monks as his loyal servants and Semitic horse riders as his soldiers, he sought to enslave all people on earth... except the Sino-tibetans. He lived in luxury, having built a Hebrew tabernacle around himself. His intricate knowledge of Noah's Ark gave the tabernacle a rather innovative ship-like appearance from a different angle. Moreover, he was able to keep the mammoths alive in the hot climate, and in turn the mammoths agreed to provide much of the labor he needed.
But the tyranny was not going to last. For D'Leh had already infiltrated his ranks, and agitated the mammoths into a stampede. The slaves rebelled, and the Semitic army was no match for the combined force of white and black Americans... I mean, white and black people. In desperation, the Atlantean Jewish god threatened D'Leh with the life of his girlfriend. But D'Leh was having none of it, with almost superhuman strength, he hurled his spear nearly 300 meters and pierced the body of the Atlantean Jewish god with amazing accuracy. The reign of terror was coming to an end.
Unfortunately, the Finno-Ugric girlfriend was mortally wounded by a jealous Semite who sought to claim the white girl for himself (who wouldn't?). But despair not, for the village seeress, sensing her old age and imminent death, sent her spirit all the way to Egypt, and resurrected the girl, hence creating the Egyptian faith in bodily resurrection. The merry couple was now finally ready to go home with their fellow tribesmen. Nor need they worry about the vicious Semites or the superstitious Dravidians, for the Semites lost their advanced knowledge as quickly as they gained them, only to be picked up by other peoples thousands of years later, while the Dravidians retreated to the Indian Subcontinent, where they helped founding Hinduism with the Indo-Iranians.
As a gesture of appreciation, the aboriginal Africans gave D'Leh seeds of black beans and fava beans, and taught him the art of agriculture. D'Leh returned to Siberia with his new wife. Winter was finally coming to an end, likely the result of global warming. D'Leh and his wife planted the beans along the lakeshore, where it flourished despite the difference in climate. In the mean time, the tribe will have to survive on salted mammoth meat... 70.48.226.62 (talk) 23:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, now I see the movie from another point of view. Meursault2004 (talk) 17:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

text: yeah, nice, but do we really need to make something nationalistic out of this cool movie? as much as there are resemblances to people and places of the modern world, I think it makes more sense to leave things undescribed and open to the mind, and i believe that is also what the director/writer intended... Spettro9 (talk) 22:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Global warming in 10,000 BC? What, pray tell, is causing it? Methane gas from mammoth farts? Spartan198 (talk) 06:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, lighten up, it's a joke. 136.142.243.17 (talk) 00:39, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative synopsis 

message: Probably some of you coule be interested in the following issue: the german director Roland Emmerich named his protagonist D'Leh - an anagram of the german word "Held" which means "hero" in english. Regards Johannes --87.175.169.62 (talk) 22:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How about Evolet = T(h)e love. Talking about NOR. Meursault2004 (talk) 18:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  pun concerning the protagonist's name 

message: Does the plot need a cleanup? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reverting edits that don't belong in the article and I can't "own" the article, per here. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Now, this is half OR, and half the fact that are god king here, as it stats in that "cast section" says he's atlanteean... take a guess where my point leads.--Jakezing (talk) 00:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hist. accuracy 

message: Thats what it says in the reception section, 9% out of 83 films? That is no way near negative to mixed, on the majority of wiki articles thats just plain negative. Stabby Joe (talk) 17:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mixed to negative reviews? 

message: I noticed that the average shot duration is only about one second. Oddly, I have not found this in references yet.--Patrick (talk) 18:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't tried to flesh out the article, so I don't know anything about this.  Maybe the citations higher up on the talk page mention something?  I'll see if there are any more citations that are available through my Google Alerts. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Geez, one shot per second? Madness. --DearPrudence (talk) 20:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Average shot duration]] 

message: I agree that that section was very poorly written, and plagiarized, and I am not actually in favour of its wholesale inclusion, but it was not "original research". While it's not a good or reliable source, the exact same statement can be found here. And, indeed, the film's pseudo-historical basis is worth noting somewhere in the article. elvenscout742 (talk) 16:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely; feel free to re-add the information with the link attached.  With no sourcing before, it seemed like original research.  There are also some citations further up on the talk page that could be explored to talk about the historical premise of the film. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

text: A real divisive aspect of this movie, indeed. At least put views from both sides in there with some citations. Until then, I think it deserves the OR tag. - Jombage (talk) 16:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not questioning this section, but it's been without sources for too long. Either it needs sources soon or it needs to be removed. Jombage (talk) 19:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical inaccuracy? 

message: The plot in this movie reminds me of Stargate. Does anyone knows any other proof besides the fact that Emmerich directed both movies? Meursault2004 (talk) 17:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Recently I've added the reference to Stargate. John Hyams (talk) 19:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences 2 

message: Are we sure about the location being central Eurasia? I seem to recall at one point in the movie them saying they were going to follow the North Star to the place where the pyramids were being built. I was under the impression that the movie takes place in the high mountains of Africa, then traveled through the Congo then into modern day Sudan. Of course, this is my opinion and perspective based on what they said in the movie and the types of terrain and climates they moved through. Anyone care to discuss? Do we have anything that states for sure it took place in central Eurasia? JJ4sad6 (talk) 22:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought about this too, and must admit it makes sense, but the appearance of D'Leh's tribe is not African, nor were Mammoths ever in Africa.  What I'd assumed is that they'd overshot Egypt to the east and would therefore be approaching Giza from the south, which also explains the direction the river was flowing. Why they would have chosen this odd route is beyond me. I think it's a case of cramming too many elements into too short of a story. Eclipse1024 (talk) 04:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the starting point being in Africa, namely the Ethiopian highlands, is so much more consistent with the geography they travelled through. It would fit almost exactly and probably be the most historically accurate part of the entire movie. D'leh's tribe, appearing Eurasian would simply be the ancestors of the Amhara and Tigrinya who are Semitic, relatively light skinned and live in Ethiopia today. Some research: I just found out the article on the Tigray-Tigrinya people disagrees with me here and gives 2000 BC as when they may have arrived in Ethiopia. A more promising theory though. National Geographic's Genographic project traces people bearing the M1 haplogroup to have returned to East Africa (one of the arrows lead straight into Ethiopia) after migrating out to the Saudi Arabian peninsula. They would be there in the right time frame, but I have absolutely no idea if they would look Eurasian. Assuming that they were is much easier for me than considering Siberian hunters coming to Sudan then traveling back up the Nile to approach Giza from the South. Mammoths in the Ethiopian highlands would be much harder to explain, but this is a movie with Saber tooth tigers and carnivorous giant birds anyway.68.105.141.114 (talk) 12:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I must agree.  It seems odd to state here that the D'Leh's tribe is from the Andes.  I would say that they would be located probably somewhere in the Caucus mountains.  However, their journey seems to have led them in the Upper Nile, which means they would have traversed the Arabian Peninsula and crossed the Red Sea.  Just a thought. Bootkinero (talk) 06:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Location?

message: I have just deleted a reference to Stargate, because it said that Stargate 1994, was based on a book that came out in 1995. The statement was not verified, but if anyone can find this information it should be replaced.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Klutch3342 (talk • contribs) 04:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to stargate 

message: I grow weary of reviewers.  I think so-called critics should stop bothering to tell people what to think, and let box-office sales figures do the talking instead.  Many a movie, such as this one, ends up in the Rotten Tomatoes dumpster, yet does very well financially - often exceeding expectations.  Yes, we all know Emmerich is a tool, yes we all know this movie is dripping with historical inaccuracies.  So what?  It's got a cave man fighting a mammoth.  The kid in me thinks that just kicks ass and I'm glad I spent the $7.50.  People need to stop nit-picking and over analyzing these things and just learn to enjoy it for what it is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.45.24 (talk) 01:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Box offices sales have never been a gage of quality. People pay before they watch a film, but they know if the film is good only after watching it. And for the record, a lot of movies were commercial failure and became cult movies after (Apocalypse Now, Citizen Kane...), on the other hand, a lot of successful films are totally forgotten, nowadays. People don't need to stop nit-picking and stuff, People just need to stay entitled to their opinion, whatever the box office says. Moloeoloe) 18:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is useful to give information on both. Critics often dislike the big-budget blockbusters - but they may still be popular (or not). Though I disagree about the "people pay before they watch a film" comment, as word of mouth from those who have gone before will have an important effect. -- Beardo (talk) 16:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews vs. Reception 

message: Under plot, at the end of the second paragraph it says "The slave lord tells D'Leh that if he cannot have her, then he cant fuck her. D'Leh kills him in revenge and fucks his daughter hard.". I haven't watched the movie but I'm sure the main character does not "fuck" his daughter. Could someone change this to the correct ending please. If it is the right ending then please put something more appropriate instead of "fuck"
InedibleSubstance (talk) 12:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Hi, I just did a major expansion to the plot of the article, and was just wondering how you guys think of it. Trust me its right, event by event, so just comment here or on my page to what you think, and how I can improve it, thanks.--Ariobarza (talk) 05:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The plot section is too long and needs editing down. -- Beardo (talk) 07:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I cut it by 41% by word count.  Let me know if it's excessive...Jabberwockgee (talk) 01:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: HELOO

message: I saw this movie and found it great that so many people of mixed
race or of diverse origins were involved in the movie. That's quite impressive.Domsta333 (talk) 14:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to annoy a lot of people though. Many people seem far more interested in the 'historical innaccuracies' of Africans, Finnics & Europeans mixing in a fictional film.--Senor Freebie (talk) 12:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie involving people of colour 

message: As some mentioned before about the map on the desk.  Not only was the map accurate of some nearby places.  It was basically a modern map but had a weird island in the mediteranian.  It was accurate of all of Africa, Europe, and it even showed South America in there.  I just watched it tonight and I paused it on Blu Ray and looked.  Most of the map was covered so it didn't show north america, but I think that's some intentional Atlantis reference.  Also the sphinx was theorized by archeologists to originally have been a huge lion and the movie shows that.  I was expecting this movie to be a prequel to the movie stargate until the pharoah's death then it turned out to just be some atlantis thing.  Are you ready for IPv6? (talk) 13:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: All we can do is speculate.  Unfortunately, we can't speculate here on Wikipedia.  We are supposed to use talk pages to discuss improvement of articles through reliable sources.  It would be better to start this kind of discussion at IMDb or a similar place. Erik (talk) 15:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map on the desk 

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thread_title:  Dead link 3 

message: I don't know much about the film, but apparently Thomas Wanker won an award for making the soundtrack? Robo37 (talk) 20:01, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Award winning soundtrack? 

message: I find it annoying how people are only pointing out cultural inaccuracies. The movie is meant to present an advanced civilization far earlier than we know them to exist. Instead, point out the numerous paleontological inaccuracies, which are a much more important thing for the viewers to know are inaccurate. Smilodon is depicted as the size of a large bear and living in Africa, while woolly mammoths are much too big with herds dominated by a "lead bull" (like elephants, I think it is most likely that mammoth herds had a matriarchal social structure). And finally, Phorusrhacids living somewhere in the Old World, when they are only known from North and South America, and surviving up until 10,000 BC, when in reality they went extinct more than a million years before that. If you're going to focus on inaccuracies, focus on those. There is no fossil evidence that contradicts such advanced societies in that time, but the inaccuracies I listed above do contradict evidence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.130.109 (talk) 22:14, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural Inaccuracies?

message: Main character referring to the North Pole star which leads him from the desert. Technically 10000 BC, earth precision would make "Theta Herculis" as "North Star" from Herculis constellation. You can check "Axial_precession" for precession circle. Axet (talk) 18:25, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  North Pole Star