Talk:Toney Freeman

message: The present version only shows Toney Freeman made a statement (with links). I think the encyclopedic value of the statement is nto the mere fact he made a statement, but what he stated. So I propose to add to this sentence that he stated that he was released without charge, was not able to call an advocate or the embassy. Would that be ok? L.tak (talk) 12:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Implemented... L.tak (talk) 19:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  statement of Toney 

message: ... was detained for 1 year according to an article on Toney Freeman, under the same law. That is a very strong statement, that deserves a source directly about that incident (the 1 year jailtime) and the exact reason (steroid use, or selling etc). Is there a good swedish/english explanatory source specific on that case? L.tak (talk) 14:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been looking for a source; and found not much. Only his 6 month jailtime. Again, jailtime so long without charge in a Western country is a big thing, which must have catched the media. Anyone have reliable sources here or remember this from the news? If it can not be sourced by a source directly handling this statement, it must be out (per: strong statements need strong back up by sources)! L.tak (talk) 07:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the info for now, as no sources have come up and no discussion was here for >24 hours. Feel free to suggest sources on this very serious thing (1 year without charge after arrest after muscle profiling) at this heading! L.tak (talk) 21:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Martin Kjellstrom

message: In this version change I changed the paragraph on Freeman's biography,which was  reverted by AresXV. Changes involved changing the text "gracing the cover of" to "appearing on the cover of". Chainging Toney to Freeman to address him, and changing the sentence part "in his quest to turn professional". Although these texts are well-written, I think that the are not encyclopedic, and I therefore prefer them to be changed. Input welcome here! L.tak (talk) 07:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I think that nearly the entirety of his recent stream of edits should be reverted.  Tim.thelion (talk) 21:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I implemented this...  L.tak (talk) 07:00, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I don't know Tim, and even if you think/know his bias, only his actions count here; please don't make remarks regarding his psychology etc. His suggestion toward reverting all your edits without point by point comment was also a bit less than optimal, I have seen however ample other things which were constructive however. Let's focus on the matters at hand here! L.tak (talk) 08:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I suspected you to be the same user as AresXV, NewsBug and TangoTara and showed evidence. A checkuser has now confirmed that. I gave you the possibility to admit it yourself, but you denied. Let's stay on the subject of this wiki (and with 1 account)! L.tak (talk) 15:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Biography

message: Can someone confirm (and give a quote) that in this article, it was said that this was "the first international arrest according to sources"? In that case I will add the ref also to the sentence saying so. I am putting emphasis here, because claims of firsts/oldest/newest are easily stated, but are often wrong... L.tak (talk) 07:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Evaluated the ref. It does not say Freeman was the first international bodybuilder arrested based on body profiling. Actually it does not say anything on Freeman. Placing back the ref request for "first" and rephrasing a bit. L.tak (talk) 07:04, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: sources

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