Talk:Qaumi Taranah

message: Why does each reference and external link have an English language template? All the references and templates are in English and on an English Wikipedia, it should be assumed that the references are in English. Pepsidrinka 18:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, I put them in originally thinking there might be useful links in other languages but then I remembered they should be English-language links wherever possible. I've removed them now. Green Giant 00:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  English language template 

message: The transliteration of the lyrics in this article is not really the same throughout, e.g. both a and ā for the same sound.  I'm going to correct it, but I might make some mistakes.  Is the "hein" in zarrey terey hein aaj supposed to be Hain? I'm not sure, so please correct it if I'm wrong.
Basawala 16:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

message: i have no idea why people insist on claiming that the national anthem was written in persian...every single word in those verses is used in urdu, and can be found in any urdu dictionary.  the words are all indeed borrowed from persian, but at least half were in turn adopted into persian from arabic.  why not claim that the song is in arabic too then?
:I have reworded it so that there's no claim this song is in Persian.  It's really sad that people claim that.  Although all except one of the words in the anthem come from Persian, the one "ka", plus some differences in grammar, mean that this song is in Urdu.  Mar de Sin Speak up! 20:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly is 'Persianized Urdu' anyway.  Classical Urdu is derived from various regional languages and Urdu is a fairly young language.  Urdu poetry is always written in this manner and is never called Persianized Urdu.  No one calls the poetry of Mir Taqi Mir, Iqbal, or Faiz Persianized Urdu.  Equally ridiculous is the caption under the Urdu text of the anthem that says the anthem in Persianized Urdu... What does that mean?  All Urdu is written in that text.  An anthem will always be written in classical vernacular and not street slang, so why repeatedly use an invented term (Persianized Urdu)  My two cents.  Fkh82 03:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  again with the persian 

message: The anthem is "quami tarana" in urdu however it's spelled "qaumi tarana".We need to change the spelling on the name of the anthem.--Nadirali نادرالی
*The spelling is that used by the sources. There is no reason to change it. Green Giant 13:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Green Giant. No need to change. And, phonetically, it's not pronounced "quami" (kwami) in Urdu, it's "qaumi" (kawmi"). Poloplayers (talk) 11:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  spelling with title 

message: My expertise is Persian and Arabic, but even without training in Urdu I can say that ترجمان ماضی means "interpreter of the past," not "interpreter of gibberish." Correction made. Locke777 01:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation problems 

message: "The Pakistani national anthem is unique in that its music preceded its lyrics."
I'm not sure what this means, but it doesn't seem to be true.
If it means the music was written before the lyrics, the statement is untrue as the USA'a national anthem, "The Star-Spangled Banner" is a poem written in 1814 set to music written c. 1765. There may be others, but this is one I know for sure.
If it means that the music was adopted as the national anthem before the lyrics were written, the statement is untrue as under the Composition section it says "the music... had been used on several occasions before official adoption" (italics mine) meaning that it was not the official anthem and did not become such until after its lyrics were written. And this also applies to The Star-Spangled Banner, which was also used unofficially for many years before its official adoption in 1931. Ttenchantr (talk) 18:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It means that the music was composed first and the music was adopted as the National Anthem in 1950 whereas the lyrics were added to the music later in 1952. How is that difficult to understand? This is not even disputed. Poloplayers (talk) 01:18, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Music preceded its lyrics?"

message: The section on "previous national anthem" is an internet hoax which has been debunked by researchers
Jang, 6 June 2010, Safdar Mahmmod but for some reason continues to be perpetuated on the English wikipedia. --Bsdeureka (talk) 14:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This false claim was made by a blogger Adil Najam on the "Pakistaniat" blog for the first time in 2010. It has no factual or historical basis whatsoever. It is based on a claim by a dead person who never made such a claim in his life and cannot rise from the dead to deny it. It should be deleted as it is not credible, the source is one blogger and a blog. Credible historians have debunked this claim. 115.186.48.61 (talk) 07:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I second that, this section only compromises wikipedia's authenticity and should be removed. Ishaqmalik (talk) 13:21, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that this section on the previous national anthem claim should be deleted as it is misleading and has no historical or factual basis and arises from a fictitious claim made for the first time in 2004 by an Indian journalist. Poloplayers (talk) 04:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversial previous national anthem claim

message: The Urdu word "Pak" means "Pure", not "Sacred". 115.186.48.79 (talk) 06:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here it has been used in that sense and "sacred" is a better translation than the literal translation. All your other changes are good, but I'm reverting pure to sacred in the verses because it seems to be bad to translate literally when the other makes more sense. Adequate explanation for this has been given in the text. --lTopGunl (talk) 10:11, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The Urdu word "Pak" means "Pure", not "Sacred"

message: In the lyrics all the words are originally from Persian, only kā is Urdu.182.185.13.225 (talk) 15:09, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Read this part and think again: . All the words are common in the two languages, as such removal of that information can be construed as vandalism if not explained. The last version was more neutral than the current which goes in the opposite direction. In short your edit summary was misleading, you didn't not fix neutrality rather added a different POV. There's no debate that these words are both in Urdu and Persian. Also unlinking the link to Persian and Urdu was hardly constructive. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:14, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I second TopGun. Urdu and Persian have common words, that doesn't turn Urdu into Persian. English borrows heavily from Latin and French, doesn't mean it is "Latinized English" or "French English"? Urdu borrows from Persian, Sanskirit and Arabic but it's a separate language nevertheless. All the words in the National Anthem are Urdu. Just because they have commonality with Persian doesn't mean the lyrics are in Persian. Persian itself borrows heavily from Arabic. Does that make it Arabicized Persian? Finally, the author of the national anthem, Hafeez Jullundhri, was an Urdu language poet and did not write Persian poetry. So this means that he wrote the national anthem in Urdu. The fact that it has commonality with Persian is irrelevant and does not make it any less Urdu. Also, it doesn't make sense that if Urdu was declared the National Language of Pakistan, the National Anthem would be commissioned to be written in any language other than Urdu.Poloplayers (talk) 01:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Persian-Urdu

message: Ek zardari ko dekha to aisa laga
Jese khana kharab
Jese total azaab
Jese aadi faqeer
Jese murda zameer
Jese nasoor koi sarta howa
Ek zardari ko dekha to aisa laga
Jese bijli ki taar
Jese khanjar ki dhaar
Jese dozakh ki aag
Jese zehrila naag
Jese kuttey pe ho kawwa betha huwa
Ek zardari ko dekha to aisa laga
Jese garmi ki dhoop
Jese shetan ka roop
Jese ghunda , dakait
Jese molvi ka pait
Jese daku koi gun dikhata howa
Ek zardari ko dekha to aisa laga
thumbnail  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.186.248.241 (talk) 05:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A SONG DEDICATED TO ZARDAARI(KHAANA KHARAAB) 

message: Please embed this link and/or use it as a reference. It is the original link to the National Anthem of Pakistan with Vocals. It is uploaded on the Pakistani Mission at Canada's Website: http://www.pakmission.ca/National%20Anthems/National%20Anthem-Pakistan.mp3  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinktank1987 (talk • contribs) 06:42, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Anthem with Vocals/Lyrics 

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message: The recent additions claiming the anthem has no Urdu is unsourced trivia (please see what constitutes a reliable source). Webpages and self-published content is not a 'reliable source'. Moreover, as explained, the claim that there are no Urdu words is just untrue as explained in this summary. To the editor reinserting them, you have been reverted by one other editor also (User:Smsarmad). Please discuss your changes. Mar4d (talk) 09:39, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Dawn News and Pittsburgh Tribune Review also claimed many a years ago, that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction. What exactly is your argument? This rumour that the Quami Tarana is in "Persian" is a lie that was ironically born from Wikipedia from this very article. Many years ago (back in 2005ish) somebody made an edit claiming the anthem was "Persianized Urdu" and that only 1 word was in Urdu. This edit was simply allowed to remain on the article and media/journalists picked it up without doing any research if the actual claim was correct. The anthem is written in Classical Urdu...early Urdu spoken during the Mughul Empire and Urdu poetry even to this day has always been written in this manner. No one calls the poetry of Mir Taqi Mir, Iqbal, or Faiz as "Persianized Urdu". What does that mean? All Urdu is written in that text and in this manner. An anthem will always be written in classical vernacular and not street slang, so why repeatedly bring up something that holds no water? This is like saying old English is Latin...using your logic, since Old English borrows heavily from Latin. Is that what you're saying basically? --PAKHIGHWAY (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim for Urdu words 

message: It is the top anthem of world. It takes total time of about 120 seconds. Vardah N K (talk) 13:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qaumi Tarana 

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message: :Unaddressed issues of original research have been raised. The issue was brought to the fore with  where and Ip contributor made a content change  in good faith. I know nothing of Urdu, so I'm unable to comment outside of being unable to find any official 'transliteration' system in place for 'Roman Urdu'. I simply reverted to the previous version as being default consensus, although consensus can change and, in this instance I think justifiably so. If this parameter is going to going to be used, there must be reliable sources in order to verify the fact of its existence as Wikipedia simply doesn't support WP:OR. Thank you for your attention.Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:55, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is 'Roman Urdu', and where are the reliable sources to verify some form of recognised international variant? 

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message: can we provide sources for the translations of the anthems into languages? thanks Dhoru 21 (talk・contribs) 09:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source needed for translations into languages 

message: This Topic is really important for all Muslims to respect Tarana  203.109.41.63 (talk) 04:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rule of Qumi Tarana