Talk:Paul Scholes

message: Just read a comment that Geoff Hurst and Clive Mendonca were the only players to score hat tricks at the old Wembley, but did Scholes not score a hat trick against Poland in 1999.
Paul 'A Very Class Player' Scholes
This is awful, I'm changing this. There is seriously too much crap editing of all footballer pages
Johntinsley 21:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely.  There's stuff in the guidelines about this as Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_terms.  CTOAGN 09:27, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: It annoys me that the only thing mentioned in his playing style is discipline. Surely his passing and vision of the game are worth mentioning? People don't realise he is the most accurate passer in the Premier League (confirmed by Opta) 77.96.158.181 (talk) 17:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playing Style 

message: Should there be a section for quotes about Paul Scholes? Like "The best player is Paul Scholes, without a doubt. You get tough games in the Premiership but playing against Scholesy in training is the hardest thing you’ll face in football. His touch, imagination and vision for passes is amazing, and he scores goals for fun from just about anywhere on the pitch.", source Darren Fletcher's interview in www.manutd.com, URL: http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7B79A08487%2DFD7F%2D455F%2D8553%2DD25CE87F047A%7D&newsid=368447
Also Steven Gerrard's biography has some nice words about Scholes, surprisingly.
: Can you get more quotes? If not for a section here then for WikiQuote. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Whilding87 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with quotes being gathered together, but they must not be added to this article. Add them to WikiQuote by all means, but not here. – PeeJay 16:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: Should these pages really be updated everytime he scores a goal? That isn't really the point is it.
: No. And it's something everyone needs to avoid, in all footballer articles. Whilding87 11:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goal Diary 

message: According to this article and Oldham that's where he was born but according to Manchester United offical site (and others) he was born in Hope Hospital, Pendleton, Salford postcode area M6 (Pendleton). CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: I removed one statement which may have constituted for NPOV, but I can't find any more evidence of such writing. Could whoever added the tag backup their reasons or point out further points? Whilding87 11:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Dispute 

message: On the "Personal Information" section it states that he has 377 appearances, this is completely wrong as he has over 500 appearances, as stated in the "later career" subtitle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.10.254 (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am guessing the personal information only counts Premier League games and not FA Cup/Carling Cup/Champions League etc.. games Xkingoftheworldx (talk) 11:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: And now it says over 700? I am confused... do the numbers add up? -- Joedf (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  You realise you just replied to an 11-year-old comment? Yes, the numbers add up. – PeeJay 20:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

text:  Thanks, didn't see that. However, I am curious to know as to why the career tables totals are always lower numbers? e.g. 499 in the table, but the text says 700. Am I misunderstanding something? where is the rest? Same goes for Ryan Giggs... Non-club appearances? Let me know, thanks :) -- Joedf (talk) 20:17, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox (on the right) only counts league appearances. – PeeJay 21:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances 

message: There was a statement under "Trivia" saying that Paul Scholes was a member of Trust Oldham, and it had a link to their website. I couldn't find Paul Scholes' name on that website at all, and I therefore removed that line. Please be sure to cite a page that clearly states his connection with that group, because otherwise, it comes across as mere speculation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.36.35 (talk) 03:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trust Oldham patron? 

message: Has he won one or two Champions League titles? I would say he's only won one, as he was not involved in the final in 1999. Same goes for Gary Neville, who was involved in 1999, but not 2008. – PeeJay 09:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact is that the club can distribute those medals any way they wish, so whether or not Scholes and Neville were given medals is irrelevant, IMO. Usually, I would say that only the matchday squad (starting XI and subs) should be given the distinction of having the competition listed amongst their honours. The disadvantage of this is that it is immensely unfair on players like Scholes in 1999 or Park Ji-Sung this season, in that they played integral roles in getting the team to the final, yet played no part in the final match itself. Nevertheless, it is not Wikipedia's place to decide what is fair and what is not. – PeeJay 11:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

text: You "have a feeling" that Keane, Scholes and Berg got medals? Well, I'm sorry, but that's just not good enough. We need hard evidence that they got medals. Until then, we cannot, in good conscience, say that Scholes has won two Champions League titles. – PeeJay 22:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Ok so perhaps not the most verifiable source!! have a look on your champions of europe dvd possibly??? I'll get back to you when/if I find something. TTFN (Statto999 (talk) 11:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

text: ok try "In the Nou Camp that night Paul and i were very reluctant to respond when urged forward by the manager to pick up our medals.Yes we played a part ....... but the night belonged to the lads on the pitch ." from Roy keane's autobiography. as quoted on http://forum.football365.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=2085144&#msg_2085144  I don't have a copy to hand at present so I'll only update the main when I can see for certain. (Statto999 (talk) 14:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

text: You can add it back when you provide a definite source that he is/was in possession of a 1999 UEFA medal. Until such time, do not bother adding it. ¢rassic! (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

text: see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article1114846.ece 'There is a safe in which his England caps, his European Cup medal, his FA Cup and Premiership gongs and the other baubles of his career sit “locked away”. He shrugs. “Occasionally, my family want to have a look at them, but I don’t bother.” '  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Statto999 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Google works wonders... From CBS, "Veteran Scholes finally picks up Champions League medal with Man United". This story from The Independent also has a bit on it, "Paul Scholes: When I go I will miss football, not the life of a footballer". And, Rediff.com, "Scholes finally gets his medal". All, of course, basically saying he does not have two. –  LATICS  talk  00:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I'm a bit confused about the whole deal, as Ferguson even said he did not collect one in 1999 in the CBS story. "The disappointment of '99 has gone now for him," United manager Alex Ferguson said. "He's achieved what he should have achieved in '99 -- a winner's medal." Hoping some other users will shed some light on the whole situation. –  LATICS  talk  01:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Though are people allowed to declare themselfs non-winners? If you've won, isn't it only UEFA who can strip someone of that win? — CHANDLER#10 — 01:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  UEFA Champions League titles 

message: Last season Scholes only had 2 goals, on paper that's a season low.  Michael 20:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Scholes' contribution amounts to more than just goals. – PeeJay 11:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah well, I'm just saying.  Besides, I don't remember seeing him play at all this season, not that I care. – Michael 22:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Struggling Lately 

message: "Rio Ferdinand and Alex Ferguson consider Scholes to be Manchester United's best player, and former Netherlands star Edgar Davids called him the best midfielder in the world."
Is this really needed? The first two are Scholes' teammate and coach, so the first part of the quote isn't exactly nonpartisan. Second, I can understand if a Pelé, Cruyff or other footballing legend considered Scholes to be the best midfielder in the world, but Edgar Davids? C'mon. It's just one of a shameless amount of unencyclopedic quotes of Scholes' admirers singing his praises that have inundated the article. sixtynine • spill it • 07:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've rephrased it and fixed it into the recent prose. Was that your only concern for the POV or does the article still have more issues? I think my re-reading of the "edgar davids" source more adequately represents the real article. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 21:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote in introduction 

message: I've taken these parts of the article out until they can be adequately sourced. The way some parts are written largely suggests that they weren't based on any specific reliable source in the first place. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 21:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd forgotten about this discussion. Anyway, in order to maintain neutrality, I would not put any of this back into the article. There's still plenty of backslapping quotes that will eventually be reduced in the near future. The hat-trick nugget can be re-added at any time once a source for it is dug up. sixtynine • spill it • 23:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing neutrality 

message: On 23 April 2008, Scholes made his hundredth Champions League appearance in a semi-final 0–0 draw at FC Barcelona, and scored the only goal in a 1–0 victory in the second leg that sent United into the final, during which he suffered an injury and a yellow card after a clash with Claude Makélélé.
above sentance cannot be correct. Makelele certainly did not ever play for barcelona  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.73.108.210 (talk) 15:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Try reading it again. The part about Makelele refers to the final. – PeeJay 17:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Booking 

message: I don't get this. Pretty much every statement in the Playing style section is tagged with as weasel words. Isn't that just not unnecessary? It's a known fact that his fans regard him as a gifted player and etc, should we just place in the reference all the millions of Paul Scholes fans? You can't get a reference for everything, even Jimmy Wales said this (no I can't be bothered to make a reference, don't leave a citiation needed template next to what I just said... please... just take my word for it). I fail to see why everything needs a reference, especially when you can't get a tangible one. Tigernose (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel words 

message: In the club career section it says: "On 15 September 2009, Scholes scored his first Champions League goal since netting the winner against Barcelona in the semi-final a year and a half ago."
Perhaps it might be better as "a year and a half before"?
I don't know how to edit, but perhaps someone can assist?
Thanks, Baz.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.240.96.18 (talk) 10:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made the edit for you here. You would normally be able to edit the article the same way you edited this talk page (by clicking "edit" at the top) but this page has been semiprotected (you can tell by the silver padlock in the top-right hand corner) due to persistant vandalism; this means that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you want to help out a bit more you can create an account, only takes a few days to be autoconfirmed. Thanks! doomgaze (talk) 11:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club career 

message: Based on the above, should the "Oldham fan" line be removed? 86.180.186.203 (talk) 16:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for edit? 

message: As per the Talk page, the line "The first team he played for was Langley Furrows despite being an Oldham Athletic supporter." should have the reference to Oldham removed, as there is verifiable information pointing to the fact he was/is a Manchester United fan.
86.180.186.203 (talk) 17:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: . Well spotted, if anyone is interested he confirms he is a United fan here. doomgaze (talk) 18:00, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 86.180.186.203, 6 August 2011 

message: The intro currently reads:
Paul Scholes (play /ˈpɔːl ˈskoʊlz/; born 16 November 1974) is an English football scout who works for Manchester United. He was a one-club man during his playing days, having spent his entire professional career with Manchester United..
Forgive me but Scholes is not notable for being an English football scout. He is notable for being a former midfield player for both Manchester United and the national England team.  
He might make his living nowadays as a professional scout but that should not be the first line of the intro, as it's not notable unless, of course, he goes onto to surpass his playing days by discovering the next Beckham, Mese, Pele perhaps?
Using the precedent set here...Norman Whiteside is a Podiatrist who once played for man United, Dixie Dean was a publican who once played for Everton etc. The list is endless but the present intro is just stupid. Scholes is a former football player what he does now is patently after the fact! The intro should reflect that, surely?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.42.27 (talk) 16:28, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. Mosmof (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victim of Recentism 

message: The way it looks right now:
1994-2011: Manchester United
2012- : Manchester United
This looks untidy, and while Scholes did actually retire, readers could find that information easily in the article summary. The way it looks now would be understandable should there have been a long gap between retirement and return, but that wasn't really the case here.
--85.167.137.198 (talk) 17:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the case with Peter Løvenkrands, who was realeased by Newcastle after they got relegated and rejoined two months later.  As I see it, he wasn't registered to play for the club between the end of May and the start of January so they're two seperate spells. VEOonefive 15:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

text: PAUL SCHOLES, HE SCORES GOALS!
Peter Lovenkrands was released and then rejoined, he was still an active player, Paul Scholes retired and then came back so I think the career section should be 1994-present, the way it is now is doesn't make sense and doesn't look right.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.186.203 (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Agree, I think it would look much more coherent to the reader if both 'spells' were incorporated. He only spent half a season in retirement, after all. Applesandapples (talk) 21:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd argue that if the choice is between reflecting the facts – that Scholes was contracted to MUFC as a senior player from 1993 to 2011, at which point he retired and was not contracted as a player, and then he changed his mind and was re-contracted from 2012 – and avoiding looking stupid or untidy or incoherent, any self-respecting encyclopedia would choose to reflect the facts. Sorry if that sounds offensive, it isn't meant to.Further, including the gap adds additional information for the benefit of the reader: showing them that there was a gap, that Mr Scholes' career with MUFC was interrupted for some reason. We'd be doing the reader no favours if we rewrote history by implying that there was no gap. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senior career section looks stupid 

message: In his 2nd appearance since coming out of retirement in the 2011/12 Season, Scholes scored a goal against Bolton Wanderers in the minutes leading to half time. (14/01/2012) 
Hulkza (talk) 15:52, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Has already been included--Jac16888 Talk 15:09, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 14 January 2012 

message: *FA Youth Cup (1): 1991-92  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scholesss (talk • contribs) 16:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 13 March 2012 

message: Paul Scholes, he scores goals. (Famous Old Trafford Chant)
But his real skill is in midfield with the ability to pick out players with the accuracy of 
a snooker player.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.26.221 (talk) 00:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A terrace chant is not a reliable source --Mosmof (talk) 02:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Edit Request. 

message: The league apps/goals figures in the infobox don't match the Premier League totals in the career stats table further down - which is correct........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:46, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: 499 league appearances and 107 league goals is correct. I have fixed the Infobox... JMHamo (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats 

message: Strange to mention it during the introduction, and utterly idiotic to add it to a sentence about his status in the game. Nobody who understands football would use his fairly unremarkable ten red cards as a way to balance the fact that he's one of the greats. Written by a Liverpool or City fan? Pathetic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.233.113 (talk) 02:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't say it's unremarkable. The most career red cards in league football history is 13, and the Premier League record is 8. Although the red cards are spread out over multiple competitions for club and country, anything in double digits is remarkable. But even if, for the sake of discussion, we decided it was unremarkable, it's worth mentioning alongside the 99 career bookings in the league. Mosmof (talk) 03:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disciplinary record 

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