Talk:Ancient university

message: ...was not part of the UK when it was founded, for the simple reason that the UK did not exist in 1592! Loganberry 02:10, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dublin... 

message: I have heard it said that at the time of the foundation of Oxford and Cambridge, there were other institutions in England that were effectively indistinguishable from them, but which did not survive past the reformation as universities - for example King's School in Ottery St Mary, Devon, which became a grammar school.  Does anyone know if this is true? seglea 12:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other ancient universities in England? 

message: Would Lampeter University count? Granted, it's not ancient per se, but it's older than the red-brick Universities, and was created to serve a different function, i.e. training clergy.
:no, it was not a university when it was created. it gained university status in 1971, so is deffinatly not anchient. if Nanjing University is not counted, than lampeter is most certainly not. mastodon 21:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Lampeter's situation is far more complicated than that, because it gained its own degree awarding powers early on in its life - the third institution to gain degree awarding powers after Oxford and Cambridge in England and Wales and a feature unusual to Lampeter (the other early colleges did not gain degree awarding powers until later). In government documents in the 1940s, Lampeter was being referred to as a university, a good few decades before the word 'university' actually worked its way into the institution's official title in 1971. I'm certainly not saying that Lampeter is an 'ancient university', but it can trace its degree awarding powers to earlier than any other university in England and Wales besides Oxbridge, so deserves special mention. That said, i am biased ;) Twrist 12:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You might be interested in the discussion which goes on (at lennnnnngth) about the University of Dundee, which some people want to call an ancient. It isn't, in majority opinion, but it can trace its roots back to the very ancient St. Andrews University. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 13:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aah yes that is interesting, thanks! Twrist 13:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it may well be worth a mention, even though I would consider a university to be, as its name suggests, a broader educational institution than a clerical college. I think the main fault of this label is that many users try to categorise it in an either/or manner. As with the Dundee example - it has an ancient Scottish organisational structure etc, although its age is insufficient to qualify it in that fashion. It is still therefore well worthy of mention when the issue is being discussed IMO --Breadandcheese 20:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lampeter? 

message: The Ancient universities of Scotland article seems to be largely a duplicate insofar as it is a localised page on this subject with very little in the way of localised information which could easily be included here and would be of interest to anyone dealing with the general topic. --Breadandcheese 20:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: What about Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque & University whose construction started in 859 CE (245 AH) by a Muslim woman named Fatima Al-Fihri in the city of Fez, Morocco. Among it's non-Muslim students was Gerber of Auvergne who later baecame Pope Sylvester II who went on to introduce Arabic numerals & the concept of zero to medieval Europe. Another was a Jewish physician & philosopher, Maimonides. He was heavily influenced by Islamic thought & was the first to introduce articles of faith to Judaism.
Taha K TKidwai (talk) 14:13, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  World's oldest universities 

message: Can someone produce a reference that groups together these universities under a banner of "Ancient university", and explains the origins of this grouping?  From what I can gather, this article seems largely fictional.  At least the Ancient universities of Scotland article points to legislation, but the acts use the term "Older university".  --HighKing (talk) 12:00, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Frustrating to see only UK or European universities. What about ancient Persia, India, China or Constantinople? Their ancient universities predated those of Europe by aeons...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.229.101.198 (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See the opening sentences of the article; these topics are at Ancient higher-learning institutions. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 15:33, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Still the point still holds.  Who exactly refers to these as "ancient universities"?  Where does this grouping come from?  --HighKing (talk) 15:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

text: The term is primarily used in Scotland, where it has technical legal significance; see the article Ancient universities of Scotland.  Within England the corresponding group is Oxbridge, and the term "Ancient Universities" is rarely if ever used, making the existence of this article slightly odd.  Just deleting this article (after merging any relevant content to Ancient universities of Scotland and sorting out links) wouldn't be silly. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 19:01, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very Euro-centric Article! Should be called.. "Ancient University (UK)" 

message: Re-reading the discussions above, the most plauisble suggestion is to convert this to a disambiguation page.  Something like
*Ancient higher-learning institutions
*Ancient universities of Scotland
*List of oldest universities in continuous operation
would be a reasonable start. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 10:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd go along with that - as it stands, the current article is unreferenced.  --HighKing (talk) 15:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

text: That said though ... you can find references to "ancient university" on the Trinity College Dublin website.  --HighKing (talk) 15:34, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convert to disambigiuation page? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: — Assignment last updated by NGrahamMST (talk) 00:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: History of Science

message: I am going to add some context on the foundation as a term. Some of these schools already existed before their founding and I feel like adding context behind how they were classified officially as Universities will aid readers. Smaxforbe (talk) 02:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Foundation

message: I am going to add some additional information on when the University of Cambridge was recognized as a "university". Miguel Nunez 1119 (talk) 01:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: I was wanting to add some information of Oxford and Cambridge on how the degrees were originally just licenses to teach, but later became an obligation to teach. I would go into details on what are Regents and Non-regents. I believe that adding this, people can see how much the education system has changed. Miguel Nunez 1119 (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Teachings of England

message: I appreciated the comments that the user: Robminchin had, and I agree that "Teachings of England" wasn't the best title for that section. I believe that the information I had could still be implemented somewhere in this article, for having some details on the purpose of a degree for the students at the time and what work/effort was required of the students seems necessary when talking about the origins of universities. It is because of this, that I still plan to add this information, but with a different source. I'm more than happy to have Robminchin look over my additions to ensure that the article flows well and would also like to hear constructive feedback. Additionally, I plan to add in "Acts of Parliament", on how the Chantries Act of 1545 affected the University of Cambridge Miguel Nunez 1119 (talk) 03:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reasoning of Additions