Talk:Mastermind (British game show)

message: Please add the winner of 2005 Junior Mastermind to this article. I would myself, but I have forgotten. --Jawr256 13:47, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
I've added the format of the game - the intro hinted at this, but didn't give details.
I'm also tempted to add the layout - walking up the the black chair must add to the contestant's claustrophobia and nervousness. CS Miller 21:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: I'm not from the UK so I can't tell if this is a game show or a TV series.  Please feel free to correct me based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television).  Thanks! --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 15:29, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game show or quiz show 

message: "Unlike Mastermind presenters, Mayne has a very dry, quirky and sometimes sarcastic sense of humor, but did a very good job of keeping the game going; he would quickly jump in if one of the celebrity panelists was tardy in posing their question, so as not to penalise the contestant."  This seems a bit much, even if it's true. -Dmh 13:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV regarding ESPN host 

message: In order put the right Chippenham link in Mastermind 2005 Results, I would like to find  out which Chippenham Richard Pierce (author and freelance lecturer) comes from (Wiltshire or Cambridgeshire).  A quick google search isn't coming up with anything.  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are your sources for the contestant lists? 

message: Some mention of the celebrity version should probably be added to the article, perhaps in the "Versions of Mastermind" section. 81.153.95.107 06:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrity Mastermind 

message: Anon ISP editor 82.108,46.34 keeps linking the name Magnus Magnusson, no doubt, with the idea in mind that he needs to link the unaccented version to the article with its accented name Magnús Magnússon. There really is no need for this, as the unaccented link Magnus Magnusson redirects automatically to the article whichever version you use. Dieter Simon 22:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking Magnús Magnússon more than once 

message: How is it that the well-known Israeli adaptation 'Makbilit Hamokhot' is not mentioned here? Siúnrá (talk) 14:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm somewhat disappointed... 

message: I'm currently adding the scoring stats from the last few years. I was wondering if any of you wizards would be able to better sort the data into a more presentable fashion. It might even be worth putting them on a seperate page. Any ideas? My wikipedia are quite basic thought. --ILuveStatsMam (talk) 14:59, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics 

message: As someone who auditioned for the 2009 season (won by Nancy Dickmann), I'd like to clarify the ruling regarding specialist subjects:
You need to choose four different subjects (assuming you make it to the finals) - but, realistically, you would need about a dozen in reserve, as you cannot have a specialist subject which has been used recently.
In no specific order, I had originally selected Harry Potter (rejected, due to recent use), the Narnia books, the radio series Journey Into Space, Mission Earth by L Ron Hubbard and, when I discovered I couldn't have Harry Potter, I had to think fast on my feet - I think I settled for 70s pop music.
Not that it mattered - I never made it on to the show.
Incidentally, at the audition (I was the only one present), which, in my case, was held at the BBC studios in Bristol, there were two gentlemen.  They fired general knowledge questions at me in the style of the show (John Humphrys and the black chair were not present - we used a green room and a normal chair, sat round a table) - they wouldn't tell me how I did.
Over a week later, I got a phone call - I never made it on to the show - they also wouldn't tell me even then how well I did with those questions - I still don't know to this day how many I got right or wrong.
Arthurvasey (talk) 00:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specialist subject choices 

message: Do we want to add the higher scores from the 20th November 2009 Celebrity Mastermind special? Lucy Porter got 35 points and Mark Watson (comedian) 33 points, which in ordinary years would put them among the highest scorers, though I'm not sure how easily you can compare the questions to ordinary series' questions. -- Dandelions, not logged in 82.46.19.84 (talk) 01:57, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrity scores 

message: In the "Format" section it says "..leading to the show's famous catchphrase, "I've started so I'll finish."
I think this is more Magnusson's catchprase than the show's, as is stated later in the article. Humphrys I don't think has ever used it, presumably deliberately avoiding it. Should this be rephrased to, perhaps, "...leading to the first questionmaster's famous catchphrase.."? It's elaborated later so I don't think, at this point, we need introduce Magnusson by name.
Si Trew (talk) 08:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Humprhys has used the catchphrase.  In the show that just aired (BBC Two, 20:30, 27 August 2010 (BST)), the buzzer interrupted his question in five of the eight rounds, and he said "I've started so I'll finish" twice.  On the other three occasions (typically where the majority of the question had already been read) he merely spoke over the buzzer.   AJCham 19:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I've started so I'll finish" 

message: The article says that a contestant got 4 for the specialist subject round. However, a contestant tonight (November 26 2010) got 3 for her specialist subject of Evelyn Waugh. I was talking to a relative on the telephone tonight who said he thinks that was the lowest score ever for a specialist subject. Perhaps if it is, this could be mentioned in the article in the "Lowest scores" category. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lowest score for specialist subject round

message: Hope you don't mind folks, but I updated the table in full, so that it shows all the specialist subject for the entire series.  The BBC's official Mastermind website have published a list of all subjects/celebrities.  Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:15, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While I understand what your personal reasons for not including the details, you'll find I was within scope as per Wikipedia:Verifiability, and the BBC's page does appear to have listed the first 4 episodes in the correct order of celebrity and their respective specialist subject - and the BBC's website is covered under policy as per reliability.  Seeing as the previous episodes have been listed in the correct order, then it is safe to assume that the BBC have kept consistent and the details for subsequent episodes are correct as printed.  The article is also slightly incorrect, the final episode is listed as to be screened on January 7, 2012.  However, the BBC have it listed as being shown on January 8, 2012 - there is no episode for January 7.  There's also another episode (January 2, 2012) that is being screened a day earlier to viewers in BBC Scotland (January 1, 2012).  That hasn't been noted in the article, which should be as per Wikipedia:Notability.  Wesley Mouse (talk) 22:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

text: P.S.  The Radio Times link you provided doesn't show anything whatsoever, only a blog page - and newsblogs are to be treated with caution when it comes to reliability; as per WP:NEWSBLOG.  I get the Radio Times at home, and believe me the Christmas 2-week bumper edition had several programs listed, that where not even broadcast.  December 29, the magazine didn't show Deal or No Deal as being screened for that day, yet it was broadcast.  Even Channel 4 themselves mentioned something about some TV Listings forgetting to list the show.  Wesley Mouse (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I took the courtesy to email the BBC, explaining to them about this article, and to double check the topics for the January 5th episode.  Corrected that list on the article accordingly, as it appears that the details on the official website for that episode only have been input in the wrong order.  The other episodes are corrected listed in the right order.  Wesley Mouse (talk) 21:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2011/2012 celebrities and winners table 

message: When Magnus Magnusson presented this programme, it was disbanded in 1997, although it was later revived by John Humphries in the early zeros. Should it not, therefore, be categorised as a 1997 television programme ending? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 10:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorisation of this article needed 

message: If there's no money involved, why do contestants choose a charity? Lazyzee (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chosen charities? 

message: Substituted at 23:25, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I was wondering whether a sub-heading entitled "History of the programme" might enhance this article. Some of such information is included, but it is under the section "Versions". Vorbee (talk) 16:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Versions versus history

message: I don't think Celebrity Mastermind is notable enough to have its own article as it doesn't have any citations outside of ones from the BBC and other game shows don't have separate Wikipedia articles for the celebrity editions. BangJan1999 20:47, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an interesting one as it does somewhat differ from the regular Mastermind (eg there is a lighter tone and it is usually broadcast more in a prime-time slot), but as pointed out things like Celebrity Pointless do not have their own articles (on the other hand Celebrity Fifteen to One does). Equally the lack of non-BBC sources make establishing notability an issue. Also I think am not convinced Wikipedia is the place for details of every contestant and their specialist subject, so if there is a merger this could easily be trimmed down. The outcome of the similar debate about Christmas University Challenge, might be relevant to this discussion - see here. Dunarc (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Closing, given the opposition, and absence of clear support over more than a year. Klbrain (talk) 17:43, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Celebrity Mastermind]] 

message: When  this article talks about the version of Mastermind hosted by John Humphrys, it says that it included conversational elements "between at the start of the specialist subject round". I do not think the word "between" is really necessary here. Vorbee (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Between at the start of

message: This article could mention a Children in Need special of Mastermind that was hosted by Steve Mangan. Vorbee (talk) 22:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Children in Need special

message: This article says that until 1992, contestants could go back to their specialist subject in Round One in the finals, but then rules were changed so that people had to choose three different subjects. Are you sure this rule change was as recently as 1992? I thought the rules were changed before then. Vorbee (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Three different subjects

message: In the Australian version currently showing there is occasionally a "Who Am I?" segment in which the participants are progressively given clues. This doesn't seem to be covered here, so I was wondering was this in the original format, and if not is there a different format in the new Australian version?--Jack Upland (talk) 08:33, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mastermind Australia variant 

message: I don't know for sure but I am pretty sure the pilot episode of "I,Lovett" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Lovett contained the protagonist on mastermind. I think his subect was "the easiest questions that have ever existed since the beginning of time" scoring very highly, he then scored zero on the GK round and came last in disgrace. Can someone verify and include if it qualifies. 2A00:23C7:1B9A:8401:E8BD:CF80:3932:687E (talk) 23:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parodies 

message: The material added today about the youngest winner is certainly a record.  However, without a new subheading, it appears to be connected to the material above (about lowest scores).  I believe there should be a new subheading ('Other Records') or something.  I would have added it myself but I am not confident that I can get the formatting correct.
MalcolmStory21 (talk) 21:17, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New subheading needed 

message: The "Transmissions" section seems to just generate a large number of links to the BBC archives. I propose deleting it, giving WP:LINKFARM as the reason, but is there a consensus for keeping/removing it? Thanks --Northernhenge (talk) 11:17, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem a particular problem to me, or at least it seems more useful than not - the references to Genome (i.e. the Radio Times archive) are there as the date verifications primarily I imagine - it's not that different from a standard list of episodes really, it just seems longer as the programme is very long-running. Bob talk 23:54, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

text: I didn't know about the "group" parameter to "ref". That's allowed me to put the genome references under a subheading. Now the rest of the references are clearly visible and the genome ones are retained.--Northernhenge (talk) 13:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting the "Transmissions" section