Talk:Robert M. Bowman

message: Now, lets just wait for someone to AFD this, claimin he is not notable... --Striver 02:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: One of the more curious things is the United Catholic Church.  I don't know what to make of that.  I suppose he has his own church he preaches at?  He's mentioned at some other sites with regard to the UCC, at a church in Hawaii http://www.unitedreformcatholicchurch.com/mjkimokeawe/ and AZ http://www.holyfamilygoodyear.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1119025554&archive=&start_from=&ucat=5& and MI http://www.anamcaraacademy.org/OrderoftheAnamCara.html The LA Times supposedly called him “probably the best public speaker in America today,” http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2003b/050903/forum/forum3.htm That cite from the National Catholic Reporter which also published him http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives2/1998d/100298/100298l.htm and his claim to be a Bishop of the UCC, without negative comment on that. Schizombie 23:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You and me both on that. I believe he had strong religious beliefs near retirement, and started the UCC. There appear to be other parishes under the UCC if you check out the site, but its significance and how this relates to other Christian movements; I am wholly unqualified to evaluate or answer. --Mmx1 23:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave posing some questions about subjects related to the UCC a shot over at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Apostolic Succession from Old Catholic or Independent Catholic_Church Schizombie 02:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: United Catholic Church

message: An IP had added: "It must noted that there are some discrepancies in Robert Bowman's claims. His claim to have been a two time award winner of the Society of American Military Engineers Gold Medal is false. According to SAME web site he has never won the award. In addition the claim that he came in third among Reform Party canidates in the 2000 California primaries cannt be backed up by the facts."
WP isn't keen on "it must be noted"; I'll find the policy or guideline if necessary.  I already had noted that Bowman isn't listed on the SAME's site; I suspect this is because he's falsely claiming to have won the award, but I don't know that we should go beyond what I wrote "Bowman is not listed among the "Past Gold Medal Winners" on the official site of the Society of American Military Engineers."  There might be other explanations.  As for the primaries, don't the footnotes support what is written? Шизомби 20:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bowman's claims

message: If Bowman did indeed lie about (as opposed to misrepresent) his SAME medals I think that does warrant a mention. --Mmx1 20:08, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but I think we need to be cautious about accusing someone of lying.  I had added the footnote "Bowman is not listed among the "Past Gold Medal Winners" on the official site of the Society of American Military Engineers, http://www.same.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3583"  As I wrote above, I don't know if we can go beyond that.  It's possible he won a similar award and confused it with another or some other possibility.  I had e-mailed SAME and they responded to me, but I don't think I can post their response (WP:OR & I hadn't asked permission to forward it).  You're welcome to try contacting them too, or you could ask a Florida journalist or the Brevard County Democrats to take a closer look at his claims, which might give us something we could cite to.  I thought about doing that, but his claim neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. Шизомби 20:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Another possibility would be to contact Bowman himself and ask him to put the specifics of his awards (when, why & where he received them, who gave them, etc.) on one of his sites. Шизомби 20:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misrepresentation 

message: He talks about his role in it here, throughout all the interview. --Striver 15:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree that Bowman is not a reliable source for himself, as odd as that sounds. Шизомби 18:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Star wars

message: What do you think?  Morton devonshire 04:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is in much better shape than when it was originally nominated, and the result of that nomination was no consensus.  If renominated, I suspect the result would be keep, or at worst no consensus with a larger keep margin.  What possible reason could there be to renominate it?  I wouldn't vote for him if I were registered in his district, and I think he has credibility issues, but it's a reasonably good article about someone people legitimately might want to know more about. Шизомби 01:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a) it doesn't qualify as notable and b) agree with Schizombie's assessment of an AfD outcome.  His military and political credentials are miniscule. He only gets in on authorship, for which the 5000 book threshhold I think is far too low - besides, the self-published books and that both copies you found were autographed are not promising for the possibility that he did in fact sell 5000 copies. The Lexis returns indicate someone of very little repute. --Mmx1 01:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only one of them is autographed. :-) Шизомби 06:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: About ready for another Afd?

message: Going forward, we cannot label them in the lead with pejorative labels. You can after call them a conspiracy theorist, if such a statement/observation is sourced, but not in the lead at all. Also, you need to say "Is considered a conspiracy theorist by xyz", not doing that is a violation of original research policies as well, by playing a "Connect the dots" game to try to bypass the no original research rules, as some might say. See also WP:LIVING. rootology (T) 15:54, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "conspiracy theorist" 

message: Given that the article says Dr. Bowman died on August 22 2013, how do we move this article from list of biographies of living persons to list of biographies of deceased persons? Sbunny8 (talk) 07:05, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  no longer a living person 

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