Talk:Origins of Christianity

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"Seriously Christian twist" comes from p.70, which says:
"The resurrection of Jesus" is mentioned as part of this plan, but it does not mention "bodily resurrection"; the twist here refers to Paul's interpretation of Jewish apocalypticism. So, the reference is not in accord with this particular line. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have given the full quote, and moved it to the right place. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:29, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ehrman: "seriously Christian twist" 

message: In response to these two edits: 
* The WP:COMMONNAME is Jesus, not Yeshua. 
* The Sanders-description is already in a note, and only one of the five most-used characterisations of Jesus. See :Portraits of the historical Jesus#Mainstream views.
* The qualification "rabbi" is incorrect; Sanders characterises Jesus as an echatological prophet. Sanders uses the phrase "rabbi" only one time, when he quotes John 1:49
* Sanders does not use the phrase "Second Temple."
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:50, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Already self-reverted Sanders, and WP:COMMONNAME only applies to article titles. Not sure about rabbi, but I think it may just mean "teacher", and both you and I and everybody else agree that Jesus was a Second Temple Jew.ScepticismOfPopularisation (talk) 07:28, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

text: When discussing two separate edits, don't get confused and merge them into a nonexistent edit that never happened.ScepticismOfPopularisation (talk) 07:29, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You're pov-pushing here diff diff. Let WP:COMMONNAME apply only to article titles; it doesn't change the simple fact that the topic is Jesus, as he's known throughout the world for 2,000 years, not Yeshua. Your argument, "added Jewish name to emphasze historicity," is agenda-driven, not the subject of this article, and not even covered in this article. So, stop edit-warring. NB: the link to :Second Temple Judaism was already inserted here. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:13, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

text: And, forgot to notice: the title/epiphet "rabbi" is misplaced. You even acknowledge yourself that you're not sure about rabbi. Re-inserting that title/epiphet is even more misplaced than re-inserting "Yeshua." Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:20, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Helping emphasize historicity is not agenda driven,-it is doing exactly what Wikipedia does:upholding scholarly consensus. What would be agenda driven would be edits like yours: putting "supposed" in "Christianity started with the ministry of Jesus". In short: You like to pretend that the CMT holds equal water with other, and thus you like to pretend that it must be given WP:DUE. And "as he's been known as for 2000 years" is a bullshit argument-Israelis + Jews have been calling and have first known Jesus as "Yeshua" for 2000 years.ScepticismOfPopularisation (talk) 08:25, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

text: At least get your what your opponent was responding to right. I as referring to "Yeshua", not to "rabbi". And please respond to what your opponent actually said. You were talking to thin air. Also, the "personal obsession" card getting real thin, along with the other nonsense spewed here on your comment.ScepticismOfPopularisation (talk) 08:52, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "Early Christianity ... started with the ministry of Jesus and his deification after his death." It would be more accurate to say that it ended with his deification - Jews didn't see Jesus as a god, nor did any of the NT authors except perhaps John (certainly not Paul). When he became God, Christianity was a religion distinct from Judaism.PiCo (talk) 22:51, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  that's a great comment! Good observation. Though, Ehrman argues that Paul saw Jesus as an archangel, c.q. a deity. But that doesn't change the point of your argument. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:13, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

text: PS: Alan Saxby (2015), James, Brother of Jesus, and the Jerusalem Church: A Radical Exploration of Christian Origins, "explores the possibility that James, the brother of Jesus, was leader of a movement in Jerusalem distinct from, yet contemporaneous (or earlier), with that of Jesus in Galilee" (quote from the original doctoral thesis; the link to the PDF is blacklisted, so one will have to Google it [ http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/5560/1/Saxby_thesis.pdf ]). Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:17, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rabbi Yeshua 

message: Merged to Jewish Christian per Talk:History of Christianity#Too many pages on the history of Early Christianity, due to the overlap of scope and content. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:54, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged to