Talk:Randy Olson

message: This was on my cleanup list and surprise it was done! Thanks  great work.Sgerbic (talk) 23:38, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you Mary Mark Ockerbloom  

message: * Information to be added:  After the sentence "He returned to Townsville, Australia as a postdoctoral fellow at the Australian Institute of Marine Science, working for the Australian government studying the problem of the crown-of-thorns starfish and its destructive effect on the Great Barrier Reef."  add the following:  "He conducted experiments and published papers arguing that the prevailing “Larval Starvation Hypothesis” was incorrect.  His research is still a central part of the debate over what causes the starfish population explosions."
* Explanation of issue: Adding further details to Science career section.
* References supporting change:  Olson, Richard Randolph (1987). "In situ culturing as a test of the larval starvation hypothesis for the crown-of-thoms starfish, Acanthaster planci". Limnology and Oceanography. 32 (4): 895–904.  https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1987LimOc..32..895O/abstract https://aslopubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.4319/lo.1987.32.4.0895   Wolfe, Kennedy; Graba-Landry, Alexia; Dworjanyn, Symon A.; Byrne, Maria (2017). "Superstars: Assessing nutrient thresholds for enhanced larval success of Acanthaster planci, a review of the evidence". Marine Pollution Bulletin. 116 (1–2): 307–314. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28094041)  Note:  These references can be found on this page:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown-of-thorns_starfish
Mattmdavid (talk) 20:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Some proposed changes

message: *A claim made in the requested prose, that the subject's reasearch  has not been referenced, nor does it adequately explain how and in what way it remains a "central part" of the debate. Please provide references which speak not only to the subject's research, but the science community's response to that research as it fits into the wider narrative of starfish population theories. This information should then be requested to be added to the appropriate article on starfish.
Regards,  Spintendo  22:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 23-OCT-2019

message: * Information to be added:  After the sentence "He returned to Townsville, Australia as a postdoctoral fellow at the Australian Institute of Marine Science, working for the Australian government studying the problem of the crown-of-thorns starfish and its destructive effect on the Great Barrier Reef."  add the following:  "He conducted experiments and published papers arguing that the prevailing “Larval Starvation Hypothesis” was incorrect."
* Explanation of issue: Adding further details to Science career section.  Resubmitting this edit request without the line "His research is still a central part of the debate over what causes the starfish population explosions." as no direct sources to support this line could be found.
* References supporting change:  Olson, Richard Randolph (1987). "In situ culturing as a test of the larval starvation hypothesis for the crown-of-thoms starfish, Acanthaster planci". Limnology and Oceanography. 32 (4): 895–904.  https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1987LimOc..32..895O/abstract https://aslopubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.4319/lo.1987.32.4.0895   Wolfe, Kennedy; Graba-Landry, Alexia; Dworjanyn, Symon A.; Byrne, Maria (2017). "Superstars: Assessing nutrient thresholds for enhanced larval success of Acanthaster planci, a review of the evidence". Marine Pollution Bulletin. 116 (1–2): 307–314. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28094041)  Note:  These references can be found on this page:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown-of-thorns_starfish
Mattmdavid (talk) 15:34, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As I indicated in my review above, this information is germane to the article on starfish or Crown-of-thorns starfish, and is not necessarily germane to the subject's article — which is ostensibly about the subject and not the subject's research. Regards,  Spintendo  23:55, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed changes -reworked

message: Have a list of suggestions below to help clean-up the article and remove the advertising tag.  It should be noted I have a COI.  Any help is appreciated.  (And a thank you to Ronz for being so patient with me).
* Remove “(born October 3, 1955)” - no reference available
* Remove: “Then, in 2001, Olson collaborated with Jeremy Jackson, Steven Miller of University of North Carolina, Wilmington, and movie producer Gale Anne Hurd to create the Shifting Baselines Ocean Media Project.”  Replace with: “In 2002, Olson collaborated with Jeremy Jackson and movie producer Gale Anne Hurd to create the Shifting Baselines Ocean Media Project.”  Remove old press kit reference.  (http://www.sizzlethemovie.com/SIZZLE_PRESS_KIT.pdf).  New reference supporting the change:  https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/around-pier-shifting-baselines
* Remove "Initial funding came from the three founding partners: The Ocean Conservancy, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, and Surfrider Foundation."  - No reference available.
* Remove:  “Since then the project has produced a series of short films, television commercials, Flash videos and contests (stand up comedy, photography, video) all written and directed by Olson.” Replace with: “The project has produced a series of widely aired television commercials, short films, and informative online slideshows starring the likes of Jack Black, Dustin Hoffman, and the Groundlings Improv Comedy Theater.”  References supporting the change:: https://grist.org/article/olson/   https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/around-pier-shifting-baselines
* Only primary sources exist for the following section - no third party references available.  Should this part be deleted?  I'll leave it up for the editor who takes this to decide on whether to delete or not.  “One piece of media produced was the Ocean Symphony Public Service Announcement (PSA) which featured a symphony of comic actors playing instruments they didn't know how to play, to symbolize ocean disharmony. This included Tom Arnold on kettle drums, Madeleine Stowe and Paul Michael Glaser on violin, Henry Winkler on harp, Sharon Lawrence on cymbals, and Jack Black as conductor.” Note: Direct link to YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC5P7mBu_XY&
* Remove "40 Years of Silence In 2014 this film showing the POW experience of Olson's father, Colonel John Eric Olson, was presented and discussed at West Point USMA." - No reference available.
* Any remaining primary sources in the article have third party sources as additional references. 
Mattmdavid (talk) 00:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary sources removal/clean-up 

message: I have effected a general cleanup of the article, removing the requested items.
* Additional claims were either (a) removed or (b) not implemented as the suggested replacements — both of these actions occurring only when those items were referenced by the subject or those closely affiliated with the subject's work (such as the scripps.ucsd.edu source). 
* I have placed the filmed work as an embedded list rather than using level 3 subheadings, since an individually filmed work is not its own separate topic within the umbrella topic of Films. An article straddling the line of WP:PROMO needs to demonstrate an economy of subheadings. 
* The Books section was revised to list just the book information without the extraneous descriptions of those works.
* The Bibliography section was removed, as it duplicated all the items in the Books section. (This section also inexplicably contained references for each listed item, which unnecessarily padded the references section.)
* The Criticism section ought to be incorporated into the main prose per WP:CSECTION, but as there are two main sections (Science and Film) I'm not sure which section that should be.
I'll leave the template open to garner additional feedback.
Regards,  Spintendo  13:12, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 14-NOV-2019

message: I have a COI with Randy Olson and am hoping to have an editor make a change.
* “Olson's family subsequently moved to Virginia, then Kansas City, Kansas where he attended high school and began college at the University of Kansas.” I’d like to specify the high school using a secondary source: “Olson's family subsequently moved to Virginia, then Kansas City, Kansas where he attended Shawnee Mission Northwest High School and began college at the University of Kansas.”  
 
Source reference supporting this change:  https://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/jan/04/dodos_circling_around_id/
 
Mattmdavid (talk) 22:16, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Victrue and Nearlyevil665. Although the source may be right, the name of his high-school doesn’t increase the value of the article.Ferkijel (talk) 20:43, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed change - Adding Randy's high school

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