Talk:2007 Calgary municipal election

message: It's here.  The official candidate list form the City.  I don't have time to update the page myself so I'll leave someone else to do that.
:☭ Zippanova 00:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The official candidate list has it as “Terleski”, and that matches his website domain name. —GrantNeufeld 05:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Candidate List 

message: Please note that before you edit an entry about yourself or others on this page, please keep the bias to a minimum. We have people changing certain words, omitting certain phrases, and vandalizing other pages, in order to make them seem better than the other candidates. This is not what Wikipedia is used for. Please refrain from doing so. Thank you. Crazyjz 01:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're wasting your breath.  People know that Wikipedia is among the world's foremost sources of information, and they see a way to control the information that people get.  The people making those edits never even see the talk page.  They may not even know that what they're doing violates Wikipedia policy.  Having to revert that kind of nonsense from time to time is unfortunately part of being a Wikipedian. Sarcasticidealist 23:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: It's a little premature to state that Zhao is the youngest candidate in this election, no? Sarcasticidealist 16:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, I could reword the writing a bit. Crazyjz 23:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youngest Candidate? 

message: I feel this edit is illegitimate on the basis that the user was vandalizing a page earlier. Crazyjz 06:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, is there an appropriate source to indicate that she's running for mayor?  If not, you've certainly got my backing to delete her. Sarcasticidealist 07:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elizabeth Fielding 

message: How about we remove any information next to a candidates name and just provide a link to their official website?  That would eliminate any neutrality/bias problems.
* Let's just lock it down.  List each candidate's name, rank, and serial number, and then lock off further edits until silly season begins in earnest once the candidate's names are officially posted on 18 September.  There are waaaaay too many cooks stirring the soup in here at this point.  Beltliner 21:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say that would be a good thing to do. The "issues and controversies" should come after everyone is officially nominated. Crazyjz 05:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: In cases where the candidate does not have a public website, it would be good to offer an alternative link where people can access more information about the candidate and/or their campaign. This would also help to address any issues of bias favouring candidates who have websites.
I suggest that if the candidate has a page dedicated to their campaign on a website that such a resource would  be useful in the absence of a full website. (E.g., YouTube, Flickr, Facebook, LiveJournal, etc.)  I realize this may be seen as dredging up the Facebook debate again, but this would not be links for citation purposes but, rather, links which provide a way for readers to connect with, or find out more from, candidates (and only when there is no candidate website).  —GrantNeufeld 23:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: In case of no candidate website

message: I’m trying to schedule another local meet of Wikipedia contributors in Calgary. This would be a chance to chat about Wikipedia stuff in general, but also to discuss ways to cover the election on Wikipedia. I’m suggesting next week, at a location (TBD) in the downtown area. If you’re interested in participating, please vote on when you’d like to schedule the meet. Thanks. —GrantNeufeld 22:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Calgary|Calgary Wikipedia Meetup]] 

message: I am going to propose a vote in order to clean this article up as soon as possible. There has been a lot of discussion and I believe it is appropriate that we lay out what is going to be happening.
1. From now until nomination day has passed, this is what can be posted on the article:
*Candidate's name
*Candidate's website - This is the best source at this point. Any social networking sites should be avoided at this time in accordance with WP:EL since it may require a user to log in plus it is not an appropriate source for an encyclopedia. I understand that at this point some people do view Facebook as a potential source, but until September 17th, let us step away from that medium for now. As well, we all need to understand this is an article trying to inform people, not promote people.
*Simple biography - 1 or 2 sentences maximum from an appropriate verifiable source.
If there are no websites, the name can still go up, but with a "citation needed" tag. 
2. Issues can be addressed if it has an appropriate and reliable source. Issues should only be along the lines of "transportation, infrastructure, etc..." Any issues regarding any nominees should not be posted.
3. Controversies should be started after the confirmation of nominees. Controversies that people post must be discussed on the discussion page before appearing on the main article. Any deviation would result in an immediate deletion or revert. This will hopefully make reduce the conflict of interest and neutrality problems.
4. A note should be written somewhere saying that no one is nominated until September 17th. These are all potential candidates that whether or not they are running will change over time. This should be addressed, as the election tag is not enough apparently. 
To vote on this proposal, please follow the example:
For - Reason why - Sign your post
Against - Reason why - Sign your post
To change your votes, please follow the example:
For - Reason why - Sign your post
:Against - Reason why - Sign your post</del>
Have fun!  This will last for 5 days until the 6th of September. Crazyjz 02:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Vote 

message: ====Candidate’s website====
*Yes. Very useful for people wanting to find out more from the candidate and their campaign. However, should be balanced by other NPOV or opposing POV references. —GrantNeufeld 22:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll on elements to include in this article

message: *Yes. Very useful for people wanting to find out more from the candidate and their campaign. However, should be balanced by other NPOV or opposing POV references. —GrantNeufeld 22:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Candidate’s website

message: *Yes. —GrantNeufeld 22:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Candidate’s first year elected to current office (incumbents)

message: * Maybe. One paragraph max. —GrantNeufeld 22:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Candidate bio (specify max sentences or paragraphs, if any)

message: *No. We almost certainly won’t be able to get fair coverage in this. —GrantNeufeld 22:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Candidate photo

message: *Yes. Avoid addressing specific candidates in this section. —GrantNeufeld 22:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Election issues section

message: If yes, please indicate when you think it should be added (e.g., “now” or “after nomination” is complete).
*Yes, now. Don’t wait for candidate confirmation — there are controversies applicable to the election before nomination day (such as the fallout from last election’s Ward 10 ballot scandal and Ald. Burrow’s education expenses). —GrantNeufeld 22:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Election controversies section

message: I believe we should remove any type of campaign slogan from the biographies. Anyone with me on this one? Crazyjz 02:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm 100% with you on that, unless the slogan itself has received media coverage (for example, if a candidate ran under the slogan "Calgary for the whites!", I'd probably favour including that on the strength of the media coverage it would no doubt demonstrate.  Same goes, only milder, for any especially witty slogans to garner media coverage). Sarcasticidealist 07:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slogans 

message: Based on the responses to, and discussion  of, the poll, I have added sections for Issues and Controversies, as well as adding campaign website links to the candidates (where I have found their links).
===Content still needed:===
* Both the Issues and the Controversies sections need many more details. I have just contributed a rough start. Please feel free to significantly add or change what I’ve posted.
* Many candidate websites are missing. Please add them if you can.
Thanks. —GrantNeufeld 23:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New sections and content 

message: * Both the Issues and the Controversies sections need many more details. I have just contributed a rough start. Please feel free to significantly add or change what I’ve posted.
* Many candidate websites are missing. Please add them if you can.
Thanks. —GrantNeufeld 23:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Content still needed:

message: I’ve been contacted by CBC Radio’s The Eyeopener, and am scheduled to be on tomorrow morning, at about 7:45 am (ugh), to talk about the use of Wikipedia for this election (and possibly other internet sites like YouTube and Facebook). They specifically want to talk about this article and the cleanup/“conflict of interest” banners at the top. —GrantNeufeld 17:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you mind letting those of us outside of CBC Calgary's broadcast radius know how it went? Sarcasticidealist 18:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That’s a reasonable request. I don’t know how long they’re going to give me — might just be a couple minutes. But, I’ll try to report on what gets said. —GrantNeufeld 23:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

text: They’ve posted the audio online. Unfortunately, it’s only available in Real format. CBC Calgary Eyeopener: Wikipedia (RealAudio) —GrantNeufeld 23:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The story was included in the weekly CBC Podcast for Alberta on September 20. It’s the first story in the podcast. The intro they added kind of sensationalizes the story (Wikipedia as a political “weapon”). They also clipped a little bit off the front of the interview. But, it is mostly there. CBC Alberta Podcast, September 20 (MP3). —GrantNeufeld 02:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media coverage of our work here 

message: Hey everyone.  I figured I would mention that I was just interviewed by a reporter from the Herald regarding this page and the Bronconnier page leading up to the election.  The article should appear in Sunday's Herald.  Hopefully, I didn't say anything too stupid.  -- JamesTeterenko 17:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Calgary Herald

message: I know longer believe there is a conflict of interest given that we have two excellent contributors, User:Sarcasticidealist and User:GrantNeufeld to help out and make this an even better article. I believe this banner was put up only because I believe the page was just a complete mess, but after our vote, it has become a much more stable page and one that is easier to edit. Crazyjz 22:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank-you for your kind compliment. To be completely open, I do have personal bias in this as I am volunteering with a handful of the ward campaigns and doing advocacy work outside of the campaigns to promote my (and the activist groups I work with) positions on the election issues (specifically regarding housing and bicycle infrastructure). However, I certainly do my best to maintain NPOV in my contributions (e.g., I added all the candidate campaign websites I could find, including for candidates I am actively opposing). The biggest factor in maintaining NPOV here has been, as you suggest,  having a number of folks of varying perspectives contributing — mitigating the particular biases that any of us may bring. That said, I do think there should be some sort of warning advising readers that some of the contributors to the article have vested interests in the subject. —GrantNeufeld 23:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd echo User:GrantNeufeld's thanks, but I do have to caution that I'm not especially involved in the article.  Right now, I'd say I'm basically just another set of eyes ready to revert vandalism, blatant POV violations, or edits not in accordance with the consensus established on the talk page. Sarcasticidealist 14:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Similarly I'm also keeping my eyes on the article. I think the COI banner can go, there's enough editorial overview and cleanup ongoing that I think we're okay. If we have COI we're at least keeping each other in check. While we're in full disclosure mode, I only started watching this article cuz Palbano is a friend of mine. He's not running anymore, anyway. Crazyjz, apologies, but did you disclose your own COI on this talk page? I must have missed it. --six.oh.six 16:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I am running as mayor of Calgary, so that's my COI, but I know to keep it as neutral as possible. I am regretful to not be able to edit anymore due to my campaign schedule. I am very happy that this article will be in good hands, and I hope this page will be a pinnacle of total awesomeness. Thank you! Crazyjz 01:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI 

message: I’ve been gathering extensive contact information and links (including social networking, YouTube, etc.) for all of the candidates (including for the school boards). I finally took some time to publish that information today: http://calgary2007.grantneufeld.ca/
I shouldn’t be the one to decide if this would be appropriate to include in the external links for this article, particularly since — in addition to the pages of candidate listings and election resources — that site also contains a page of my very biased opinions. I’ll leave it to other editors here to decide if it would be a useful reference for this article. —GrantNeufeld 02:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election information resource 

message: Endorsements candidates have received violate WP:NPOV and are non-encyclopedic. Let’s leave them out of the article, please. —GrantNeufeld 22:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endorsements 

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