Talk:Johann Tetzel

message: This article had monstrous amounts of bias within it.  Not only was it bordering on non-factual, it seems to have been written with no regard towards Catholic doctrine, or, for that matter, Tetzel's own teachings.
I was forced to delete numerous amount of material from this article.  I do not feel that Wikipedia can afford to have that heavy of an offensive bias within it.
Please, I beg of you, write some quality, no nbiased material for this article if you come across it.  I can not fix it all and maintain a high level of quality by myself.
Chuximus 4/5/05
:This is not the Catholic encyclopedia, so articles do not have to follow Catholic doctrine at all. It is important in the history of protestantism.  No book discusses the origin of Martin Luther's motivation to write his 95 theses and launce the Protestant Reformation without discussing the sale of indulgences by Tetzel. An article can always benefit from the intriduction of good scholarly reference, of which there are loads. Edison 17:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While articles don't have to follow Catholic doctrine or Tetzel's teaching, they should not misrepresent it. The Catholic Encyclopedia, which appears twice as a source for this article, disputes several details of this article as common myth and presents supporting evidence (including books which discuss the Reformation without claiming that Tetzel sold indulgences). Perhaps the historical controversy should be acknowledged. Evenprimes2 (talk) 20:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: I find the fact that he used the above statement, because it rhymes to well in the English to be a translation of the German - unless possibly if it is a selective translation. Also why is its use described as "using the catchy line". It makes it sound like a jingle. And it takes away from the merit of the article. Chooserr 21:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tetzel was a marketing genius. His little rhyme was intended to pry coins from pockets. There is also a surving sermon where he goes on asking how a man could let his dear mother remain one day longer in purgatory that she had to. As for he similarity, the English language is derived in large part from German, so it is no surprise that the same words are in both languages with slightly different spelling. Per Online Etymology dictionary, "spring (v.)  O.E. springan "to leap, burst forth, fly up" (class III strong verb; past tense sprang, pp. sprungen), from P.Gmc. *sprenganan (cf. O.N., O.Fris. springa, M.Du. springhen, O.H.G. springan, Ger. springen). Edison 17:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "As soon a coin in the bowl rings, a soul from purgatory springs." 

message: I restored the fact tag on the translation. I don't think 'all saints' is correct - it's probably 'In the name of the All Holy' - i.e. of God, which is much better theology whether you're Catholic or not. -- BPMullins | Talk 00:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had just enough German to know that aller is plural, but an indulgence in the name of all the saints seemed remarkable. I had the thought that the plural waa an intensifier similar to the use of elohim in Genesis for God. That said, if you're confident of the translation, please pull the tag for me. Cheers, -- BPMullins | Talk 04:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do.  Fishal 20:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An indulgence, 1517 

message: The image purported to be that of an indulgence signed by Tetzel, is signed "Tietzel", not Tetzel.  Knowing nothing in particular about whether Tetzel was known to have used both spellings, I searched the Internet and found no direct support for that possibility, other than a single reference to (apparently; my screen displayed no corresponding image) an image acknowledging the same (variant? mis-? fake?) spelling.  To me, absent a discussion with references about the Tietzel spelling, the image's authenticity is doubtful and should perhaps be omitted from Wikipedia.  However, I am not well versed in Wikipedia's approach to authentication as a prerequisite for inclusion of images.  Anybody have any thoughts or information about this? Publius3 20:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The name form is really not the main problem. There are other reasons to suspect this is a modern fake (or joke). The whole language, orthography and (if I'm not mistaken) penmanship is essentially modern. See  for discussion. I'm removing it for now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  authenticity of image bearing the name Tietzel? 

message: The page currently displays the following error message: "Cite error: There are < ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a < references/> tag."  However, since I am not sure what this refers to, I do not know how to fix it.  So I leave it to other, more experienced editors.  --Nonstopdrivel (talk) 02:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cite Error

message: Tetzel was working in Germany, so his "famous couplet" is almost certainly a later invention - true?  I mean, it wouldn't rhyme so neatly in the original German.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 19:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couplet Language 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article states that Tetzel was a "German Dominican friar" and was involved with "indulgences in Germany" - but Germany as a country did not exist at the time, not until the 19th century - perhaps German should be changed to Saxon - the identification of German is buried in an easter egg pipe, [Holy Roman Empire|German] - see WP:EASTEREGG and MOS:EGG - how should Tetzel's nationality be identified? - Epinoia (talk) 23:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  German