Talk:Battle of Ceresole

message: Congratulations on making this a featured article, Kirrill.  It deserves it.  (I have to get around to adding footnotes and rounding out some of the articles I've worked on -- so much to do, so little time.  Anyway....) The article is a great addition to Wikipedia's sources on Early Modern Warfare.Larry Dunn 17:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, and thank you for your comments during the peer review! Kirill Lokshin 17:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article 

message: Sorry I can only offer this general note, but you really went above and beyond in making the diagrams for this Kirill. Marskell 22:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!  (The WP:MILHIST peer review has suggested some further improvements to them, incidentally, so they're not done yet.) Kirill Lokshin 23:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they could use a sharpening. But I think in general that sitting and staring at photosphop pixels can lead you to wonder "why the hell do I spend so much time with Wikipedia?" and the effort shouldn't go unnoticed. Marskell 23:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kudos on the pics 

message: Actually, the punctuation should only fall outside the quotes if it isn't a proper ending to a sentence. Wow, that sentence made almost no sense... if a quote is a sentence, and the end of the quote is the end of the sentence, the fullstop (period) should fall within the quotes. It's a minor technical thing all spelled out in the MoS. Thanks. --198.185.18.207 13:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I figured that part out (eventually).  The vast majority of the quotes aren't full sentences, though, so that (presumably) wouldn't apply, right? Kirill Lokshin 15:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  punctuation 

message: There were some misunderstandings about the name of the Spanish commander. He was Alfonso d'Avalos, and was Italian (I've corrected his entry also), despite what the name should let one think (he was born at Ischia). Further, to cite him continuously as "Del Vasto" is an error. "Del Vasto" was simply the title (he was marquis of Pescara and "del" Vasto, but the latter is a single city.. "del" probably refers to "del territorio di Vasto", "the territory of Vasto"). "Alfonso d'Avalos" is its more stricly correct name-surname form. Rodolfo or Ridolfo Baglioni was from Perugia. Aldobrando Madrazzo from Trento, and then Italian although he led Landsknecht troops. I didn't check the article as a whole, but I'm starting to guess it could contain further mistakes about Italian names and things, probably spred by the scarce attention paid to these matters by the 1930s main source used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Attilios (talk • contribs) 
:He was an Italian in Spanish service (as was Fernando d'Avalos), certainly; but, regardless, the convention followed by all historical works dealing with this period is to refer to such people by their titles rather than their names, as that's how they're most commonly known.  (For example, "Nemours" for Gaston de Foix, "Lautrec" for Odet de Foix, "Pescara" for Fernando d'Avalos, etc.)  All of my sources follow this usage consistently.
:(As far as the spelling of the names: I appreciate any help with this.  The Anglicization has wandered considerably over the years, so it's not uncommon for multiple spellings to be found—sometimes even within the same work!) Kirill Lokshin 23:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian names and nationality

message: Please believe me that "Del Vasto" is wrong to be cited in this way. It is not his surname, don't matter what your sources write (probably they copy one from each other). As I wrote, his complete title was "Alfonso d'Avalos, Marchese di Pescara and del Vasto. It is largely an English (or French) misunderstating about this form of his name. An example of what using the "Del Vasto" format would sound in Italian speaking of somebody else (i.e. the Ludovico Gonzaga, Marquess of Mantua): "Of Mantua" then invited "of Bohemia" to his palace. "Of Bohemia"'s wife brought a present, which of Mantua liked much. Etc etc
I will wait for your consensus before reverting it again.
Bye. (PS: if you need a source, I have  --Attilios 23:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Meh, fair enough; it's a very common usage, but I suppose that the format for this particular name is bizarre enough from an Italian perspective that we can change it.  I've replaced all the usages of "Del Vasto" with "d'Avalos"; hopefully that resolves the issue. Kirill Lokshin 00:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thank you very much. I've only now read what you wrote in the previous section, and I agree with it. Also in Italian sources we have common examples: the most noteworthy is Count of Carmagnola, which is 100% of the time mentioned as "Il Carmagnola" (I don't even remember his true name). I've also the impression that the same is true for French people like Enghien or Lautrec in their national sources, while I've never noticed it for d'Avalos in Italian: that's why I've insisted! Thank you again and good work. Ah, a last note: if all people here were reasonable and exquisite like you, it would be a better place to work... --Attilios 00:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Del Vasto"

message: Shouldn't it be François de Bourbon? john k 07:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that "François de Bourbon" typically refers to an earlier individual (who died in 1495); but I'm not entirely sure what this one's full name is.  He's generally referred to as "the Count of Enghien" in English-language sources, in any case. Kirill Lokshin 10:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the one hand, we have "François de Bourbon, comte d'Enghien," his grandfather (I believe) was "François de Bourbon, comte de Vendôme."  They were both from the Vendôme branch of the Bourbon family, but Vendôme was not their surname. john k 14:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, ok; that explains it.  Thanks for catching that! Kirill Lokshin 14:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  François de Vendôme? 

message: Ehm ... there is an error, Ramón de Cardona died in 1522.
--Fabio.gastone (talk) 22:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Ramón de Cardona

message: As noted as long ago as 2008, this article relies very heavily on Oman's account.  While he is supplemented by Hall, Hall's primary focus is the technology involved.  A wider range of more modern sources would strengthen the article.  Mention might be made that a museum dedicated to the battle was opened in 2019 https://www.comune.ceresoledalba.cn.it/en-us/vivere-il-comune/cosa-vedere/mubatt-museum-of-the-battle-of-ceresole-d-alba-of-1544-45402-1-3e01dfc2c13f602f8e62605210cd3926 Monstrelet (talk) 15:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No response, listing at WP:FARGIVEN. SandyGeorgia (Talk)  03:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA review 2022 notes