Talk:Surrealism/Archive 8

message: New archive at Talk:Surrealism/Archive_07. Please keep the posts on topic. Thanks. --HappyCamper 05:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 7 

message: : So please comment here on the new section on Black Surrealism and Negritude, looking at Aime Cesaire and Franz Fanon. Fanon believed that such "cultural errors," as racism, could be corrected because racism is not a psychological law (1967a, 202). The psychology of racism is caused by "Negroes being exploited, enslaved, despised by colonialist capitalist society. That is only accidentally white" (1967a, 202). But he also insisted that negritude's subjective dialectic, as a reaction of the black within that accident, has a life of its own. Although a racial essentialism, established by Senghor or more specifically, if we accept René Menil's argument, established by Sartre's Orphée Noir (Richardson and Fijalkowsi 1996, 9) came to dominate negritude, Césaire's negritude as a form of black surrealism should not be overlooked.(FN2) A surrealism, Michael Richardson and Krzystof Fijalkowsi argue in Refusal of the Shadow, that is a critique of dominant cultural and social processes. Here, they add, a distinction should be made between "surrealism as living cultural praxis ... and as dead cultural artifact" (1996, 11). Like surrealism, négritude should also be seen in the context of the "lived experience of the black." During the war years, surrealism became synonymous in Martinique with the revolutionary opposition to the war. Kesteloot insists that it "was the only possible solution at the time for the cultural alienation of Martinique." " Poetry," Césaire argued, "equalled insurrection" (Kesteloot 1974, 256-60). Césaire's poetry remained a powerful metaphoric force for Fanon, but for a political/philosophic methodology, Fanon looked elsewhere. As David Caute has put it, Its emphasis on spontaneity and the unconscious, as well as involvement with metaphysics and the irrational, linked it to bohemian revolt rather than to any historically concrete theory of social change. (Caute 1970, 20) 62.25.106.209 09:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have added a section on Surrealism in Politics to complement and balance the sections on Art. 195.92.40.49 15:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanx have done a spell check. Your confusion around the physical and psychical states of blackness and whiteness is understandable. Checkout the Talk:Black people entry to see just how bad the problem is! In fact I think that maybe instead of 'Black Surrealism' a better title for this section would be political surrealism or for this section to be incorporated into the surrealism and politics or a revolutionary surrealism section... 62.25.106.209 15:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Surrealism: [[Negritude]] 

message: I am all for it! I am the one who originally added Aime Cesaire and Rene Menil to the article two years ago into the article, the addition of them regarding their great surrealist publication TROPIQUES. I think it would be a great idea to add some more of our African-American Surrealist Comrades to the article, especially Robin D.G. Kelley, who I greatly admire! Black Surrealism is Surrealism!!! Don't forget an addition on the connections between Surrealism and the Labor Movement as well!Classicjupiter2 15:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please made additions as you see fit, although maybe the negritude and the politics sections should be combined into a Proletarian Surrealism section? 195.92.40.49 10:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Add Robin D.G. Kelley as well to the Surrealism article!

message: Its great to see the article shaping up with fairness to all additons made (including 'Black Surrealism' and Negritude) in the article!!! NOW, I think its also a good idea for a passage or section on BRAVE DESTINY and/or SURREALISM IN THE 21st CENTURY, or just BRAVE DESTINY, which was the LARGEST SURREALISM SHOW in the HISTORY of the ARTS! 500plus! Let me know. What do you think, Surreal-one?Classicjupiter2 00:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: BRAVE DESTINY and SURREALISM IN THE 21st CENTURY

message: So Daniel, tell us, how did your INTERNATIONAL SURREALIST SHOW in Spencer IA go? What was discussed during your "panel discussion" on Surrealism? Are there any pictures of You and Your Surrealist Friends at the show? Did Xtian and Lady Hannah show up? How many people attended? Any crowd shots?Classicjupiter2 23:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, the mania for photographic documentation continues unabated.  But these subjects are best discussed in a private e-mail to me, as as far as I know we aren't considering the creation of an article on the exhibit. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dear Daniel C Boyer,

message: Is there supposed to be a quote on the top of the page like that?--dannycas 02:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering that too. I've never seen a quote at the top of any othe wikipedia entry. Geedubber 15:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i#ve removed it - theres enough bretonophilia in this article as it is. 62.25.106.209 11:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote