Talk:Politics of Gibraltar

message: I've included some details of the pressure groups which although defined as 'non-political' by their nature influence the actual politics of Gibraltar importantly.
The page probably needs tidying up, and its structure and layout more 'wikified'
I've also moved the previous discussion to 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Politics_of_Gibraltar/1
As its not appropriate to the page as it is currently and should be developed.--Gibnews 23:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics of Gibraltar 

message: This article describes the politics of Gibraltar.  Ill informed nonsense like Spanish population of Gibraltar was oblidged to emigrate from the teritory out, when UK took possesion of it, after having cometed some piratery acts have no place in it and are both inappropriate and factually incorrect.
--Gibnews 19:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish nonsense

message: Hi, shouldn't the term 'House of Assembly' be reverted to 'Parliament', due to the new Constitution? Gibmetal77 11:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've changed it in some places, but there are a lot.  Similarly any references to Ordinances should now be Acts. However, at present the Chief Minister is not styled 'Prime Minister' --Gibnews 16:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your reply Gibnews. Yes I thought so, I just wanted to ask before changing them just to make sure this was ok. Gibmetal77 16:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Similar references to Ordinances should now be Acts" - what is your evidence for this assertion? The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 17:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if you are aware, but he does live in Gibraltar. Chris Buttigieg 18:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris, merely living somewhere does not make you an expert in it.  There is also a more fundamental principle at stake here, a cornerstone of Wikipedia's policies.  At the bottom of the text box you write in you may notice something: "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable".  Please click on the verifiable link and read the page.  The policies there go for every contributor and every contribution they make, regardless of where they live.  It is how Wikipedia polices itself.  Any editor should be able to challenge any other editor to verify their claims.  The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 18:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any editor should be able to challenge any other editor to verify their claims when they contribute that material to Wikipedia. Correct me if I am wrong, but I cannot recall anyone including this to the encylopaedia. As far as I know, Gibnews only mentioned this by the by. I am sure that if it does come to being included, it will be cited. Unless of course we are all living in an Orwell-like world, we do not need to backup our ordinary comments with references (Well at least I hope so!). Chris Buttigieg 19:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I presumed that Gibnews wrote "any references to Ordinances should now be Acts" with intent to change or as an instruction that articles be changed.  I think that's a fair assumption since the point of this talk page is to discuss changes to the article, rather than as a general forum for banter.  The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 20:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not something for you to have an opinion about or discuss its a matter of fact.  If you lived in Gibraltar you would know these things. --Gibnews 21:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I shall be the judge of what is or what is not for me to have an opinion about.  You live in Gibraltar but you seem to be unaware that (a) Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory and (b) that your currency is the Gibraltar Pound.  However, I'm not concerned by you.  Peer review ensured verifiable facts stayed in the article in those cases (rather than theories invented in your own head), and it shall do so in this case.  The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 22:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite the fact that Gibraltarians will know this due to the fact that they have voted for (or against) the Constitution and know what it entails, the information will be cited when added. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick: I would also like to remind you that this page is to discuss changes to the mentioned article and NOT to bring up past disputes with a particular user. Gibmetal77 23:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also like to remind Gibnews of the same, and that words such as "Its not something for you to have an opinion about" are extremely rude, not civil and totally unproductive.  A response along the lines of yours, Gibmetal77, is all I was after - that a verifiable source would be provided.  Thankyou.  The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 23:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One more thing: having voted for the constitution doesn't mean you've read it.  And not having voted for it doesn't mean you are incapable of reading it.  So please, in these discussions, let's drop this rather puerile line of argument that those who live in Gibraltar are somehow endowed with innate expertise on Gibraltar, to a level that non-residents are incapable of achieving.  Arguments like that belong in school playgrounds, not serious intellectual fora, and do all of our intelligence a disservice.  Back to the constitution: there is a very clear statement on the term Parliament.  Where does it say that Ordinances shall henceforth be referred to as Acts? The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 23:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not said that non-residents cannot know as much as a Gibraltarian on matters relating to Gibraltar. In fact, I am very sure that many of the non-resident users editing Gib related articles know a lot more than I do in certain aspects concerning Gib; I have never challenged that. Anyway, as I said earlier if this information is at some point added it should be cited. Gibmetal77 23:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  House of Assembly Vs Parliament 

message: I question whether it is a good idea to include this sort of detail in wikipedia as ministerial roles change frequently and it creates either an administrative nightmare updating pages, or out of date material, particularly as wikipedia pages are copied to other sites. Its better to link to the Government site where its updated. --Gibnews (talk) 00:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's any sort of excessive detail. I don't remember any convention on not including information about the cabinet of dependent territories. When it comes to regular countries, it does not seem to have any trouble (see United States Cabinet, for instance). --Ecemaml (talk) 08:29, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Gibraltar is not a 'dependent territory'. The ministerial roles change regularly, are you going to update them?  --Gibnews (talk) 23:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, I believe the info is incomplete... What about the Ministry of Finance as well as that of Tourism? --Gibmetal 77talk 12:55, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Minister of Finance happens to be the Chief Minister. Tourism seems to be under the responsibility of the Ministry of Enterprise, Development & Technology (see the reference). Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 21:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In which case it should be part of the article, as although one person may have a particular role today, that can change as its not required under the constitution.  However, as it will quickly become out of date, a link to the official Gibraltar Government site is a better idea than reproducing the detail in Wikipedia.  --Gibnews (talk) 13:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't remember any country or territory where the composition of its cabinet is required by their fundamental laws. With regard to "quickly" it's interesting that the source dates from 2007 and nothing has changed yet. "Quickly"? --Ecemaml (talk) 00:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some Gibraltar ministerial duties are defined in the constitution, if the source dates back to 2007, then its already out of date - see: Reshuffle of Ministerial Responsibilities.  So you are wrong on both counts. --Gibnews (talk) 01:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

text: And the ministry of silly walks? --Gibnews (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:NOTFORUM --Ecemaml (talk) 21:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:NOSENSEOFHUMOUR --Gibnews (talk) 13:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:NOTFORUM --Ecemaml (talk) 00:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ministerial detail

message: The lead para seems confusing. I've little knowledge of the subject and no time to seek out another source right now so I won't edit, but where it says:
:That government, however, is responsible for defence and external affairs but has full internal self-government under its 2006 Constitution
doesn't it mean
:The United Kingdom government, however, is responsible for defence and external affairs but Gibraltar has full internal self-government under its 2006 Constitution
???    Barnabypage (talk) 11:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right; I've made the change. Thanks, --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 11:43, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused lead para? 

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