Template talk:Dutch and Low Saxon dialects

message: Since when is DLS considered a Dutch dialect in mainstream linguitics? Please show some (English) non-chauvinistic sources. Until then, DLS goes, as it is a minority of (Dutch) linguists who share this view, including Rex, though this should be dealt with in detail at the article. What you are (rightfully so) conceding is that a Low German family does exist. Please refrain fromr everting until sources are brought up front. Ulritz 21:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I refuse to communicate with you as long as you refuse to participate in wikipedia dispute resolution. You might have gotten away with refusing a mediation, I don't think you'll get away with ignoring an Arbcom case.Rex 22:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, Limburgish and Dutch Low Saxon (as spoken in Drenthe, not Niedersachsen)are not Dutch dialects. Here is a Dutch Low Saxon source  free of any chauvinist bias. Ulritz 22:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can Dutch Low Saxon really be associated with Dutch?
Sarcelles (talk) 18:19, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dutch Low Saxon]] 

message: I will be removing both Limburgish and Low Saxon/German from this template unless actual sources are shown stating that the two languages are Dutch dialects -- as far as my knowledge is concerned, they are German dialects, with Limburgish having leanings towards Dutch. Antman -- chat 08:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: To the above

message: Isn't Afrikaans recognised as a separate language from Dutch, rather than just being a dialect? Likewise, surely the accepted English name for it is "Afrikaans" these days, not "African Dutch"? Dewrad (talk) 03:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Afrikaans

message: This is very similar to Limburgish. Hence I suggest its removal from this template. Sarcelles (talk) 14:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Southern Meuse-Rhenish is a more generic term for Southeast Limburgish, which is more Ripuarian in nature. Ad43 (talk) 20:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the border is important enough to result in a split.Sarcelles (talk) 09:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: What do you mean with this? Ad43 (talk) 21:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The border between the countries also is one between dialects. Sarcelles (talk) 08:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

text: That is true to some degree. There is a dialect continuum, but the national borders are on their way of functioning more and more as language borders, especially since WW II. This process goes much faster at the German side than in Limburg. Ad43 (talk) 08:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southern Meuse-Rhenish 

message: I think it is redundant to include both. [User:Sarcelles|Sarcelles]] (talk) 09:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Meuse-Rhenish also includes the Dutch and Belgian varieties of South Guelderish and Limburgish. Ad43 (talk) 22:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Those two are inconsistent with the system used here. Sarcelles (talk) 11:32, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

text: There is no real problem here. What counts is, that it is generally unknown to the public, that Low-Rhenish, Limburgish, South Guelderish/Kleverlandish and Bergish are shades of a common continuum that is neither Brabantian nor Hollandic. It is important to deteremine its areal. Meuse-Rhenish is the sum of these varieties, hence its own denomination. So, what is your point? Ad43 (talk) 21:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Low Rhenish article, Low Rhenish runs into the Netherlands and Belgium as well. Sarcelles (talk) 08:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Low Rhenish is a denominator in Germany, in the Netherlands its Dutch correlate is called South Guelderish. Others include Limburgish and Bergish into it, but it is more appropriate to collect them all under the term Meuse-Rhenish. Ad43 (talk) 09:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I suggest you make a redirect to South Guelderish of it. Sarcelles (talk) 14:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It is at least useful to indicate that this variety also exists in Germany with totally different names as Kleverlandish, Gemandutch, Bergish or Low Rhenish. This fact is relatively unknown in the Nerherlands, and vice versa. Ad43 (talk) 21:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Meuse-Rhenish should either replace Limburgish and South Guelderish or moved to the top of the template. Sarcelles (talk) 13:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Let's do the last. It's done already.  Ad43 (talk) 17:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meuse-Rhenish and Low Rhenish 

message: If this is considered a main dialect/the same grouping of dialects, there should be an additional  single article on these varieties. Sarcelles (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean? There are three separate articles already, but they also refer to each other. They can be headed as Dialects of the Three Countries / Three Languages Area. Ad43 (talk) 21:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  If this group of dialects is mentioned in this template, it deserves a article. Sarcelles (talk) 07:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: That could be an option indeed. There really is nothing against it. However, three potentially subsuming articles do exist, which together cover the whole areal quite appropriately. A superposing article might be added as well. In the mean time, ample cross-referencing can do the job. Ad43 (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This template includes Aachen dialect. This probably is incomplete as neighbouring dialects are missing. Sarcelles (talk) 07:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I've just added Eschweiler dialect, but this could be found via Aachen dialect also. Stolberg could be mentioned likewise, especially the village of Breinig.  Ad43 (talk) 12:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Taalafstanden.jpg suggests it should be removed. Sarcelles (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southeast Limburgish / Low Dietsch / Aachen dialect 

message: With all due respect to User:Rex Germanus (RIP), I think the image that is used is not good. I have a bad feeling about those words 'the series'. Has wikipedia released multiple volumes about the Dutch language? No, it just handles the entire language at once. Is it possible that those words are taken out of the picture? Apologies for my English Mallerd (talk) 12:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image used 

message: Is this really different from Hollandic enough to have a place in this template? Sarcelles (talk) 18:19, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Surinamese Dutch]] 

message: Hello. What is ISO code of East Flemish?
Your dear Chris (My talk) 19:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iso 

message: Hello,
this template has non-Groningian dialects as Westphalian.    
However, https://www.academia.edu/30823402/Raumstrukturen_im_Niederdeutschen_Eine_Re_Analyse_der_Wenkerdaten has Westphalian as not bordering to the Netherlands. In particular at Google Books, there is the word Zuidnedersaksisch/
Zuid-Nedersaksisch. 
Kind regards, 
Sarcelles (talk) 08:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Westphalian/Zuidnedersaksisch