Talk:Procellariidae

message: This article is going to be too long once I have finished it to keep the species list attached. Splitting the species list would also allow annotations about the confused taxonomy of the family and in fact allow different taxonomies to be presented without overburdening this article. Could a friendly admin deal with this? Sabine's Sunbird  talk 13:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The list should be linked in the taxobox. Joelito 15:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting out species list

message: "The family Procellariidae , or procellariids, are a group of seabirds in the bird order Procellariiformes, which also includes the albatross family Diomedeidae, the storm-petrels Hydrobatidae, and the diving petrels Pelecanoididae. While there is widespread disagreement over the number of species and genera in the family, they are conventionally considered to form four natural groups, the fulmarine petrels, the gadfly petrels, the prions and the shearwaters."
What a baffling array of terms to throw into an opening paragraph. And then follow it up with a sentence saying well, maybe those terms aren't even right, but here are some more terms.
For someone who doesn't know anything about seabirds, this is scary and useless information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valwen (talk • contribs) 09:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: The Firefly Encyclopia of Birds (which you can search at Amazon) says prions "were once known as whale birds because they are frequently found in the presence of cetaceans" (p. 71).  The Oxford dictionaries say that the various birds called whale-birds (Ivory Gull, Ruddy Turnstone, Red/Grey Phalarope, Procellaria spp., as well as prions, in case you're curious) got their name from either feeding on whale-oil and offal or from being found with whales.  I suspect that with the prions, it's the latter (although "Webster's Third" mentions only the feeding explanation).  So if you have a reliable source that says the name comes from baleen-like feeding, we can have both explanations; otherwise I think we should only have the explanation that prions are found with whales.
I'd guess that prions are found with whales because they feed on the same plankton, but I haven't found a source that's willing to commit itself on that.  —JerryFriedman 20:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *You are probably right. I can't recall my source for this and until I do I will go with your research. As for them feeding on the same plankton it would probably be true, most everything eats krill and bird/cetacean associations are well documented. I've seen Cassin's Auklets and Sooty Shearwaters in massive feeding flocks with California Sea Lions and Blue Whales myself. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 07:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  whalebird 

message: "Humans have traditionally exploited several species of fulmar and shearwater (known as muttonbirds) for food, fuel and bait..."
How do you use muttonbirds as fuel or bait? Kaldari 21:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The stomach oil of procellariiformes has the same calorific value as diesel fuel - I think they were used for lamp oil. I'll read up and clarify. As for bait, inhabitants of Tristan da Cunha use them to bait hooks for fishing. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 06:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuel and bait? 

message: Picking up a topic from the peer review:
"Sun, wind, and cloud shall fail not from the face of it,
Stinging, ringing spindrift, nor the fulmar flying free;"
—Kipling, "The Last Chantey", last verse
The Firefly Encyclopedia of Birds says it's been speculated that the albatross in "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" was actually a giant petrel.  I have no idea what would make anyone think that, and the article doesn't give a source.  However, the encyclopedia is available from Amazon Book Search (as I've mentioned), if you want to use that.  —JerryFriedman 03:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd heard that too, but Coleridge never actually saw one but was moved to talk about them based on conversations with another writer, who described them following ships. Given that the large Procellaria petrels do that it could have been them, it might have been the giant petrels and it might have been albatrosses, or both giant petrels and albatrosses (they would be easy to mix up to the inexperienced eye). Kind of tenuous to mention here. And I'm interested that they rate at least a mention by Kipling, thanks for bringing it to my attention, - though I'm not sure that is enough for a section - maybe I'll look for more. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 06:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure they belonged in the article either, so they might just be here for amusement.  —JerryFriedman 17:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture 

message: I wrote Broad-billed Prion to kill the red link, but that article might benefit from an edit by someone who actaully knows something about the species. jimfbleak 07:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Prions

message: There is a red link on this page to Gould's Petrel, even though the link markup looks fine, and there is a valid page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gould's_Petrel  
I assume someone didn't follow conventions on page naming since the apostrophe seems to cause problems.  I'm not sure how that should be fixed (maybe the Gould's petrel page needs to be recreated properly, and the current page redirected?  earl (talk) 23:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Red link to Gould's Petrel page

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message: Hi, I was reading through this article and I have some concerns that it might not meet the featured article criteria anymore. I have outlined some of my concerns below:
*There are numerous places, including whole paragraphs, that require citations. I have tagged them with a "citation needed" template.
*The "Taxonomy and evolution" section is very long and has some unusual formatting (like with the bullet points). Is it possible to split this into sections?
*References do not cite specific page numbers. 
*The etymology section is very short. For example, do we have information on who gave this name to this family?
Is anyone interested in bringing this article back up to featured article standards? Z1720 (talk) 21:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: * Many of the citation issues are due to the shifting requirements of citation over the last 15 years. I am currently looking at similar issues at seabird and will tackle this one once I've gotten that one fixed. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 23:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: *Hi , thanks for working on these articles! I won't post this article on FAR, and that'll let you work on seabird without rushing to save two FARs. I will try to contribute to the articles, too, although I am not an expert in this field. Please ping me when you are "finished" either article and I will give additional feedback. Let's save these FAs! Z1720 (talk) 02:45, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: FA concerns