Talk:Chongzhen Emperor

message: Something is wrong with Chongzhen's last words. The English and Chinese do not match. Which one is correct? I recall having seen the Chinese version - Liuyao
:The Chinese version is correct. the Emperor's words is acctually a poem! I think the English version is terrible, but who can give a better translation?
I also noticed a problem with the last words. This is how it stands currently in the article:
"(roughly translated) "I am not the emperor of an ill-fated kingdom, but you, my officials, remain its servants. That during my reign I have given you decency, yet on this day, wherefore remains none at my side?" "
This is the Chinese version:
"朕非亡國之君，事事乃亡國之象，祖宗櫛風沐雨之天下，一朝失去，將何面目見於地下"
This is my translation:
"I should not be the emperor of a conquered nation; yet everything bears the portent of a nation conquered. The empire that my ancestors laboured to build up, I have lost in one day. How can I face them in the hereafter?"
This is to throw a brick in the hope of baiting a piece of jade, as the Chinese idiom says. Would anyone care to improve upon it? --Sumple (Talk) 07:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Last Words

message: As far as I know, Chongzhen died alone. Wang Cheng'en and Chen Yuanyuan are Jinyong's creation. Is there any concrete proofs to assert Wang Cheng'en's and Chen Yuanyuan's existence?  -- Robbyjo 22:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion with Jinyong's Novel

message: I just went through and rewrote most of the article with the information previously given, mostly for the purpose of improving clarity. 
I removed very little in terms of content, since I don't know very much about the Chongzhen Emperor, but I did take out Chongzhen's last words- which were uncited and, in any case, didn't seem especially poignant or relevant to the article- the reference to Wang Cheng'en, whose existence is in question, and the picture of Yuan Chonghuan, which I didn't think merited inclusion. 
This article only has one source. It would be great if someone who knows about the Chongzhen Emperor could write more on the emperor's reign and add a few more references.
Segregold (talk) 22:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: General overhaul

message: Very simple logic:Because he does not had full reasons to suicide！He as play suicide show because he should cheated many spies oversee him in the Forbidden City
Hans yulun lai (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you tell us what you think happened, then? Madalibi (talk) 13:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

text: What happened to him, then? Did he flee to the south? Did he live somewhere in carefree retirement? Do you have any support for your claims apart from your hunch? Madalibi (talk) 05:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chongzhen Emperor suicide was not reality！ 

message: I'll be addressing several issues in the next few weeks:
* The section on the emperor's death gives describes one of the traditional narratives about the event as if it were verifiable historical fact. In truth there is very little known for certain about the emperor's suicide and much of what we have was written long after his death. I'll try to make this clear.
* The article relies too heavily on an outdated source, China and the Manchus (1912!). I'll try using more recent sources like Mote and Wakeman where possible.
* Too much reliance on primary sources like the official histories of Ming and Qing. These are not trustworthy on their own. If I cannot find secondary sources for something stated in the article, I may tag or remove it.
--Difference engine (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I'm keeping the refimprove tag at the top because there's still a need for someone to check all the info about titles, names, ancestry, spouses, and descendants. I'm not really interested in doing that. --Difference engine (talk) 21:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partial rewrite 

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