Talk:Cantaloupe

message: Australia does not universally call this a rockmelon, it is cantaloupe in most southern states, this is a strong cultural point of contention and interstate rivalry. The intro claiming it is called rock melon in Australia cites no references.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.198.111.245 (talk) 01:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: It would be interesting if someone knows about the nutritional value of this fruit as well as any pharmaceutical or industrial use derived from its byproducts such as the rind or seeds.  --98.172.21.130 (talk) 22:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nutrition and Medicinal Info

message: :Cantaloupes may range in size from 7-12 cm in diameter, but typically exceed 12 cm in diameter.
Um, this doesn't make much sense. What is the point of saying they range from 12-15 cm if they typically exceed 12 cm? In my experience most cantaloupes are well over 12 cm, which is the diameter of a standard CD or DVD. In fact, a 7 cm diameter cantaloupe would strike me as very small, as that's the size of a small apple. Maybe what was meant was 7-12 cm in radius (14-24 cm in diameter)? Or maybe 7-12 inches in diameter? Can someone who knows more about cantaloupes size clarify this? Nohat 07:50, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point: "in" has probably been switched to "cm". When you're sure, edit the entry. --Wetman 07:59, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Size matters

message: Okay.  No pics available on the web.  So, could you tell us in words, what is the difference between a cantaloupe in nature and a cantaloupe on a coat-of-arms? --Blair P. Houghton 20:09, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Heraldry matters

message: A mouldy cantaloupe in a Peoria market in 1941 was found to contain the best and highest quality penicillin after a world-wide search.
This is pretty interesting but a citation would make it riveting. Misterantithesis 01:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penicillin citation? 

message: The distinction needs to be made, and seems to have been made kind of sloppily in this article.  It is unclear which the article is supposed to be on at a given time to me.  Perhaps a distinctly broken up article?  It seems unwise to me to move the musk melon stuff to its own article, since very few Americans know that what we buy are not cantaloupe.  Notthe9 08:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cantaloupe vs. Musk Melon 

message: "A Cantaloupe , also cantaloup or rockmelon (Cucumis melo cantalupensis), is the North American name for a variety of muskmelon. "True cantaloupes are not netted, have deep grooves, a hard warty rind, and orange or green flesh. These are grown only in Europe where the population easily makes the distinction between muskmelons and cantaloupes" [1]. The muskmelons that most Americans call "cantaloupes" have a distinctly netted or webbed rind"
:Well, what a confusing way to start the article ... - Nat Krause 23:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: "True" cantaloupes are Cucumis melo cantalupensis. In the period following the American Revolution, "French" was in - Americans copied French style. True cantaloupes are somewhat difficult to cultivate, though, so some enterprising folks musk melons (Cucumis melo reticulatus) as cantaloupes. So today, the typical American on the street will not recognize C melo cantalupensis at all, but will immediately recognize C melo reticulatus and confidently tell you it's a cantaloupe.
The true cantaloupe is much smaller than a musk melon. The size of 7-12cm given early in the article is correct - for cantalupensis. It's got a smooth, grey-green rind with green stripes - looks something like a very small, greyish watermelon. Its flesh is colored similarly to the musk melon and it's much sweeter.
The picture in the article is of a musk melon, not a true cantaloupe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.68.107 (talk • contribs) 15:06, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The transition didn't happen until the the turn of the twentieth century.   American literature prior to that time usually correctly makes the distinction.  The old American varieties of true cantaloupe were (and still are) larger than is current in Europe, darker in colour, wartier, and more deeply grooved (the grooves have all but disapeared in the modern European cultivars).  It would appear that, around 1890, orange-fleshed muskmelons began to supplant the old green-fleshed varieties (today only the orange ones are raised commercially).  In conjunction with the decline in cultivation of true cantaloupes, this led to confusion of the two melons in the public mind.  True cantaloupes are not commercially cultivated in the U.S., but several varieties (both old and new) can be had from some seed suppliers. -GSwift 04:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: They are both "just" varieties of musk melon, yes.  I think the article's coverage is pretty well split among the varieties. -- JHunterJ 13:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the article Cucumis melo cantalupensis is the true cantaloupe where as Cucumis melo reticulatus is the rock melon.24.83.178.11 05:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  True Cantaloupes vs Musk Melons 

message: One article dealing with two melons is very confusing. Thanks to the information above I now understand the difference, but I think it is worth splitting the article into Musk Melon/Rockmelon and Cantaloupe. -- darkliighttalk 13:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to clean up the indications of the differences in the article while strengthening the idea that both varieters are cantaloupes (and both are muskmelons as well). I think splitting the page would not be helpful. -- JHunterJ 22:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page split

message: Yeah, charentais should be merged in here. ENeville 19:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Merged. -- JHunterJ 12:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charentais merge 

message: I find this page quite funny as it describes a very common problem with describing Cucumis melo.  The subspecies classification is actually only useful to describe wild types/land races.  All of the important commercially cultivated melons are a blend of all the subspecies (for disease resistances and specific phenotypes).
As for melon types, commercially this is how they are referred too.  After a few revisions I may post these into the Melon Article.
===Group 1 ORANGE FLESHED MELONS===
These melons are traditionally climacteric (Undergo physiological changes during ripeing in response to ethylene)
Western Shipper  = Cantaloupe common in the Western US, Mexico, & Central America.  Brazil and Costa Rica grow this type for export to the US and Europe.  This is characterized by; dark green immature fruit color, closed full net (no sutures/ribs), and orange fleshed. 
Rockmelons = Is exactly the same as the western shipper except for one allele difference.  These can be sutured (ribbed) not always though aussies don't seem to care.  This is a recessive allele that is very common in Western Shipper germplasm.
Eastern Shipper = Almost genetically identical to the western shipper except for a grey/green immature color.  The current most popular commercial hybrid is made from a Eastern Shipper type female and a Western Shipper male (the gray/green immature color is dominant). 
Harper type (Italy)= Exactly the same as the Eastern Shipper only slightly smaller in size. 
Charentais = The "French" Melon. This is very similar germplasm to the Eastern and Western Shipper types, (There are some places I can be hung for saying that).  It is sutured, has little or no net, Gray/green immature and has been higly selected for aromatics and volitiles.  It does go quite well with port wine.
Italian type (called in the US)= An Eastern Shipper with sutures.
===GROUP 2  THE DIVERSITY (FUN TYPES)===
Green Fleshed Honeydew = This is light green immature, non-climacteric, green fleshed,low in volitiles and aromatics, non to slightly netted, and is grown in the US, Mexico, Japan, Australia and Central and South America. 
White Fleshed Honey dew = Same as a green Fleshed honeydew but grown in China and Japan.
Orange Fleshed Honeydew =  This is a light green immature, non-climacteric, oranged fleshed, non-netted.  Deeply oranged fleshed varieties are grown in the US and Mexico while pale oranged fleshed varieties are common in China and Japan.
Yellow Honeydew = this is a light green immature, non-climacteric, white to green fleshed honeydew.  These have a dark yellow external appereance and are round and smooth is shape. This is grown mainly in Asian Markets.
Juan Canary/Canaries =  This is a very similar to the Yellow Honeydew except for a more teardrop shape and the prescence of wrinkles.
Uzbek Melon = Monster of a melon, these are very large up to 10kgs.  White fleshed and a light green immature color.  These also have an speckled pattern of yellow and green on its surface. Non netted.
Ananas = This is a cross between a western shipper and a White Fleshed Honeydew.  It has a subtle flavor and pale orange flesh with light netting.
Galia = A cross between a Western Shipper and a Yellow Honeydew.  These were developed to have a green flesh and small seed cavity. These produce a unique citrus like frangrance.
Piel De Sapo =  Spanish for "Skin of the Toad".  This is a white fleshed melon with wrinkles and a similair size and shape to the Juan Canary.  It's most unique characteristic is the surface of the melon is speckled light and dark green.  It kind of looks like a warty toad.
Hami = This is the most popular Chinese melon.  It describes a large range of phenotypes but all are very oval. The defining characteristic of this melon is the apple like texture of the flesh.  Very light and flavorful.  These melons commonly have some slight orange pigment around the cavity.
There are many many more types of melons but this a breif synopsis.
--The.v.tt 20:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Varieties

message: Green Fleshed Honeydew = This is light green immature, non-climacteric, green fleshed,low in volitiles and aromatics, non to slightly netted, and is grown in the US, Mexico, Japan, Australia and Central and South America. 
White Fleshed Honey dew = Same as a green Fleshed honeydew but grown in China and Japan.
Orange Fleshed Honeydew =  This is a light green immature, non-climacteric, oranged fleshed, non-netted.  Deeply oranged fleshed varieties are grown in the US and Mexico while pale oranged fleshed varieties are common in China and Japan.
Yellow Honeydew = this is a light green immature, non-climacteric, white to green fleshed honeydew.  These have a dark yellow external appereance and are round and smooth is shape. This is grown mainly in Asian Markets.
Juan Canary/Canaries =  This is a very similar to the Yellow Honeydew except for a more teardrop shape and the prescence of wrinkles.
Uzbek Melon = Monster of a melon, these are very large up to 10kgs.  White fleshed and a light green immature color.  These also have an speckled pattern of yellow and green on its surface. Non netted.
Ananas = This is a cross between a western shipper and a White Fleshed Honeydew.  It has a subtle flavor and pale orange flesh with light netting.
Galia = A cross between a Western Shipper and a Yellow Honeydew.  These were developed to have a green flesh and small seed cavity. These produce a unique citrus like frangrance.
Piel De Sapo =  Spanish for "Skin of the Toad".  This is a white fleshed melon with wrinkles and a similair size and shape to the Juan Canary.  It's most unique characteristic is the surface of the melon is speckled light and dark green.  It kind of looks like a warty toad.
Hami = This is the most popular Chinese melon.  It describes a large range of phenotypes but all are very oval. The defining characteristic of this melon is the apple like texture of the flesh.  Very light and flavorful.  These melons commonly have some slight orange pigment around the cavity.
There are many many more types of melons but this a breif synopsis.
--The.v.tt 20:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GROUP 2  THE DIVERSITY (FUN TYPES)

message: Cateloupes come from either male or female plants. The female cantaloupe is said to be sweeter than the male.
This comes from the end of the article. If this is suggesting that melons are diecious (the only way to have "male" and "female" plants), then it is (nearly) impossible to get fruit from a male flower on a male plant. Cupressus dupreziana represents a rare exception, but otherwise, this would be like claiming that men can bear children. It needs citation in any case, though I expect it is made up.--♦♦♦Vlmastra♦♦♦ (talk) 00:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Umm...

message: New picture (Cantaloupe Melon cross section) uploaded. Is this one any use to the wiki article? 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cantaloupe_Melon_cross_section.png
Sangfroid (talk) 14:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New picture (cross section) uploaded 

message: I wonder if Cantaloupe and Melon should be merged... what do you think? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 14:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cantaloupe vs. Melon 

message: Coied from the main article: "Cantaloupe (also cantaloup, muskmelon or rockmelon) refers to two varieties of Cucumis melo [1], which is a species in the family Cucurbitaceae, which includes nearlyItalic text all melons and squashes." - my italics and bold.
If you go to squashes and melons, it tells you that they belong to the cucurbitaceae family. It does not cite any other family to which some might belong.
--Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 18:02, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aren't all melons and squashes Cucurbitaceae? 

message: Coied from the main article: "Cantaloupe (also cantaloup, muskmelon or rockmelon) refers to two varieties of Cucumis melo [1], which is a species in the family Cucurbitaceae, which includes nearlyItalic text all melons and squashes." - my italics and bold.
If you go to squashes and melons, it tells you that they belong to the cucurbitaceae family. It does not cite any other family to which some might belong.
--Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 18:02, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aren't all melons and squashes Cucurbitaceae? 

message: Deleted "Cantaloupes were first introduced to North America by Christopher Columbus on his second voyage to the New World in 1494. The W. Atlee Burpee Company developed and introduced the "Netted Gem" in 1881 from varieties then growing in North America." On the grounds that the information has no citations and the relevance of the information to the section is tenuous at best.
For example, provided these can be cited, there is no connection between the sentences. There is no indication of what the "netted gem" is,  what W. Atlee Burpee Co. is, how it relates to Christopher Columbus, or why the reader should care.
I also combined the first two sentences into one for readability.
However, this leaves scant information in this section, I propose merging it with the introduction. Cuthalion1 (talk) 21:10, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin Section 

message: It's neither here nor in the inventor's article, I think. Imagine Reason (talk) 01:15, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we get a picture of the crate? 

message: I saw the merge template on Muskmelon and added a corresponding one here.  It seems like Cantaloupe  and Muskmelon could be merged into a Cucumis melo article, especially since the application of common names seems to have a dialectical variation.  Currently Cucumis melo redirects to Muskmelon.--Theodore Kloba (talk) 18:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Muskmelon 

message: The Yen to USD conversion on this picture is off by a decimal place. The current text suggests 2800 yen is $33+ USD. This should be ~$3.50 (as the exact exchange fluxes). I'm not logged in or I'd simply edit this myself.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.64.181.118 (talk) 15:49, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Fruit Text 

message: Where is reference #1 in the actual article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.232.147 (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Both instances are in the taxobox. Gzuufy (talk) 19:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is reference #1? 

message: I'm thinking about creating a health issues section.  It should include info about the recent Salmonella outbreak in Kentucky.  Possibly other, past outbreaks.  It could include references regarding what sanitation techniques may be used on cantaloupes (beyond what is currently mentioned), or how they are ranked by effectiveness.  I believe Health issues relating to cantaloupes, being mentioned currently in only 'the fine print' of the article text may not give sufficient warning to readers. Having Health issues as a heading in the Table of contents would help readers to navigate the article, as well as emphasize the importance of washing before slicing. Creation of such a table may involve moving some sentences from the Production and use section to the new section.  I'm not making any promises that I will create this section, merely that I'm thinking about it. Gzuufy (talk) 17:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health issues section 

message: The claim that it (U.S. cantaloupe=[U.S.] muskmelon) is the most popular  melon in the U. S.(I guess this means largest number or mass consumed rather than being named a favorite in polls) does not seem to be supported by the reference cited.  I read through that reference and cannot find support. Kdammers (talk) 04:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most popular?? 

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replies: text: Checks out as ok. --Zefr (talk) 16:14, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: How can we make it grow in the western African subregion??? 41.190.30.95 (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  about fruit 

message: is that really what the European cantaloupe looks like?
I always thought the European cantaloupe was lightly ribbed with green stripes and that it had a grey-green skin? 174.96.203.119 (talk) 05:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  European cantaloupe picture 

message: I've just rearranged the last paragraph about 'spanspek' so its structure is more informative, in the spirit of the truth sandwich: The true attestation of the term now comes first, with the common misconception second, and the reason it's a misconception third. No information was added or subtracted (hopefully). It had previously been the other way around. 198.91.192.44 (talk) 23:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  South African etymology rearrangement 

message: The page links the USDA nutrition database for its nutrition data but on that very linked page there seems to be discrepancy. for vitamin C wikipedia says it's 36.7mg per 100g, on the USDA page it has it as 10.9mg per100mg. What's going on here? 142.162.126.21 (talk) 22:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There were numerous nutrients needing content changes, corrected in this edit. The most likely explanation is that the previous data were from years ago (current USDA table is dated Dec 2019), and with fewer samples measured, perhaps with older methods. For reasons unknown, the template does not calculate the niacin DV, having a zero entry from at least a year ago. Zefr (talk) 00:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  nutrition content