Talk:Bank robbery

message: There's always things like the IRA robbery too. Not exactly sure what should be added here; significance/motivation/punishment/methods? Aanghelescu 06:42, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, but burglary isn't robbery. Joey Q. McCartney 07:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Just saying thanks, the article looks much nicer than when I edited it last week. Algophobia (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 03:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Work Cleaning up the Article

message: I think that this page should mention that not all banks in all countries have armed security guards. I know that at least here in Canada, security guards aren't allowed to carry guns or other weapons. Flea110 20:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not all banks have armed security guards

message: ...If anyone has time. Joey Q. McCartney 07:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Researching crime studies would be a great start

message: I do not agree that takeover robberies are the most dangerous type of robbery. In takeover robberies, the robbers are usually professionals or have planned their robbery, whereas a one-man robbery may be spontaneous and violent.
:Why is the article for such a worldwide subject so U.S.-centric?
::I agree, extremly US-centric, but then I don't have the knowledge or time to expand Mattlore 10:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, way too much focus on America. How do you put something up for the systemic bias thing?HichamVanborm 01:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most Dangerous? 

message: This article lists two separate events as being the first bank robbery in America. Which is correct? Sloverlord 10:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: The phrase "which was a very large sum of money at the time" strikes me as rather ambiguous and unencyclopedic. It also ignores the fact that 162 grand is still a pretty decent chunk of money. All that said, I'm going to go ahead and replace this phrase with another one which specifies the amount in 2006 dollars. 69.94.199.146 02:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1798 bank robbery amount 

message: This article needs more wiki internal organization through sections. I suggest that a section on 'robbery prevention' be created and include the content from safecatch that I recommended be merged into the article. Eliz81 04:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the merge proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the merge proposal was do not merge.
Someone posted a merge notice on the safecatch page, suggesting it be discussed here. 
*Just posting to say I Oppose merging the two. Anchoress 21:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
this is not an article about bank robberies this is about bank robberies in america  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.103.129.103 (talk) 07:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Safecatch]] merge

message: I have deleted all the "History" section about the break-in at the Temperance Hall Association because it was about a burglary, not a robbery. There probably is room in Wikipedia for at least one article about burglary from banks, but this is not it, which is why it is called Bank robbery. Cottonshirtτ 11:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting History 

message: Contrary to the current version of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bank_robbery&oldid=523063380 , the FDIC does not cover robberies. http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/information/fdiciorn.html Does anyone have a good reason to cite for bank robbery being a federal crime? Epimetheon (talk) 17:59, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  FDIC involvement 

message: Hey @Pburka can we get some more details on this globalize tag. Back in May 2017, I removed a globalize tag from this article after several major revisions. At the time, the article was clearly written as if from a US legal perspective. Now, the article seems to feature history, studies, and statistics from numerous countries. Anything about the US is clearly labeled as such. Admittedly, a lot of sources surrounding the phenomenon of bank robbery seem to revolve around the US but I think fair effort has been made to include everything available. Do you have any specifics on changes you'd like to see improved? Thanks Scoundr3l (talk) 22:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: When you say there are statistics from numerous countries, I assume you mean Australia and Britain. Apart from the 'Overview' section, the article is about American bank robberies. We've got the first bank robbery in the US, bank robberies in the American frontier, getaway cars in California, and historical American bank robbers. Where's the famous 1907 Tiflis bank robbery? What about the biggest bank robberies in history, which took place in London, Fortaleza and Baghdad? The prevention section is almost entirely about US banks. Even the 'Film' section only mentions one non-American film (and doesn't even mention the first such film, The Bank Robbery (1908)). This article suggests that bank robberies a distinctively-American activity, but they happen world-wide? Pburka (talk) 22:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, several examples of statistics from England, not to mention getaway cars in Paris. The history section is all well sourced. Surely you're not faulting the history of bank robbery, or bank robbery films no less, for taking place largely in America? Do you have contradictory sources for the first bank robbery? They'd be welcome. In the history of banking, I sincerely believe there was another first, but the sources speak for themselves. And what exactly would you like included about Tiflis? For one, it was a stagecoach robbery (specifically omitted, per the opening paragraph) and this is not an indiscriminate list of famous robberies, but an attempt to list historical firsts. What can we fix other than what the sources say? Scoundr3l (talk) 22:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

text: I've got some material on the way re: other country firsts and famous robbers. I'm also gonna re-remove the intro bits about federal crime in the US or at least broaden it. I'd like to include something about the 1907 film, but I haven't looked yet and I'm not gonna drop a red link unless I've got something to say. Thanks for the feedback. Scoundr3l (talk) 23:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm pretty sure the 1831 robbery was the first in the US. It would be very surprising if there are no robberies between the Amsterdam Wisselbank's 1609 establishment and 1831. Pburka (talk) 23:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Surprising indeed. But you let me know if you find anything. I started cleaning up this article about a year ago and it might surprise you how shallow the history books are. Scoundr3l (talk) 23:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  From a cursory examination of the sources, it seems like there's a particular fascination with bank robberies in the United States, possibly related to the rise of robberies during the Great Depression and the cultural myths built up around famous robbers at the time, such as Bonnie and Clyde and John Dillinger. Outside of the US, I think bank robberies may be less romanticized, and perhaps are treated more like any other robbery. (Although robberies in general may still be romanticized, e.g. Great Train Robbery). It may make sense to include some background on this in the article, to justify why the history section is so heavily tilted towards a US perspective. Furthermore, I think the pedantic focus on robberies (as opposed to burglaries, stagecoach thefts, armored car thefts, etc.) detracts from the article. It's difficult to write about the history and significance of a phenomena when we arbitrarily limit ourselves to one form. The general reader, I think, wants to know about thefts from banks (but probably not frauds). Limiting ourselves to a strict definition of robbery is inconsistent with how most sources cover the material, and, I think, inconsistent with what readers will expect. Pburka (talk) 15:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I found that as well. I actually began editing this article with the intention of expanding the history prior to and outside the American frontier/depression-era, but the sources were pretty mum. It would seem the phenomenon of bank robbery itself begins and centers mostly on America and only the last few centuries. Romanticization is definitely a factor, but it's also fair to say that America was just a place where bank robberies often happened. Chicken and egg, I suppose. But this article does make several allowances for "not technically" robberies, such as Carpenter Hall. I am also planing to add the Bank of Australia robbery, which tunneled into the vault. As a rule of thumb, I'm usually ok with it as long as the public (i.e. sources) refer to it as a robbery. Within reason, of course. I think too much creep of stagecoach and train robberies will drift far and away from what the public thinks of when they think "bank robbery". Expansion to come as soon as I have time, though please let me know if you have any other ideas. Scoundr3l (talk) 23:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Globalize tag (Nov 2017) 

message: This article begins by correctly defining the difference between burglary and robbery. Surprisingly the rest of the article incorrectly describes burgalries as robberies.
At first, that may not seem significant, but it is. Robbery is more violent and personal because it is when you hold up the persons themselves. Burglary is when one steals without direct contact with people. It matters because they each have such a different nature about them, with robbery being a fearful and often violent event.
It is my understanding that in the United States the first actual bank robbery was committed by Jesse James on 02/13/1866 at the Clay County Savings Association in Liberty, Missouri. All previous events had been burglaries until then. 2600:100C:B231:17E8:45EE:D3C8:4FCB:BDA1 (talk) 04:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burglary, Not Robbery