Talk:Tsilhqotʼin

message: :The name Tsilhqut’in is derived from the Chilcotin name for themselves: Tŝinlhqot’in.
Huh?  I gather that may originally have been "The name Chilcotin is derived from the Chilcotin name for themselves: Chilcotin" with the rider that Tŝinlhqot’in is only ONE possible spelling according to different spellings systems; Tsilhqut’in is simply another, as is Tsilhqot’in which is the usual transliteration of this name in English, i.e. when it's not "Chilcotin".  The pretentiousness of the orthographic game played by native-language politicos and linguists gets tiresome when so many near-misses are presented as if "correct", while an anglicization like "Chilcotin" is for some reason considered incorrect....even though it's pronounced darned-near the same way.  My main beef with the sentence quoted above is it's a non-sequitur; there's such marginal difference between Tsilhqut'in and Tsinhlhqot'in that it makes the sentence rather pointless; especially when the meaning "people of the ochre-coloured earth" is absent.  Add in the reality that "the Chilcotin name" itself is a phrase meaning "the Chilcotin language word for"; you'd think the Tsilhqot'in name for the language would be used in such a p.c.-environment.  The issue also remains here of recent edits with the Tsilhqut'in spelling, vs. the usual Tsilhqot'in.Skookum1 00:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  We have every possibly spelling for these people in the first line.  This sentence doesn't need to really be there.  OldManRivers 21:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thx for popping by; this page is really old and mirrors a lot of what's on Chilcotin District; both need rewriting and this one needs a lot more proper ethno content; but I got stuck on that line - not stuck exactly, more like put off - and will be bold and revise/delete what's out of place here, and also try and flesh out the ethno content as best I can, so this isn't about the Chilcotin Country as it currently is.  BTW to OMR do you see the kind of thing here I was on about when we had our first encounters over Squamish/Skwxwu7mesh?  The hard part with all this stuff is deciding on what the primary spelling should be, in this case Tsilhqo'tin but often individual bands may have different ways of spelling their local groups, varying from their own website to a different version on the tribal council website, still another on the treaty directories; I went through this with the Wuikinuxv (Owekeeno) and Oowekyala-Wuikyala language articles and others - note there that two different spelling systems are used between the ethno page and the language page; because the language page was started first, mostly, and Wuikinuxv was a much later creation (otherwise I would have titled Wuikyala instead of making it a redirect).  Secwepemctsin and Syilx'tsn and Nlaka'pamuxtsin at least have standard spellings, and I'll never get used to that plosive-t /t'/ in St'at'imcets/Stl'atl'imxts; similar issues gonna crop up with Halkomelem names I think, plus/and/or all their English variants.Skookum1 23:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Linguistic redundancy

message: This was placed in the RM box, re-adding it here, IP user:
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I would suggest that the Tl’etinqox Nation is not Alexis Creek, it is Anaham.  The Tsi Del Del First Nation was forced from Alexis Creek to Redstone in the early 1900's, due to the farmland around Alexis Creek being so good and that is why Tsi Del Del is sometimes known as Alexis Creek.  Tl’etinqox have always lived many km away from Alexis Creek, down the river.
Also, Tatla Lake is another (white) community in the Chilcotin.  The surrounding area of Tatla Lake probably has a larger (white) population than Alexis Creek now."
I'll try and fix that part, or another user also more familiar with the area will (User:Tatlayoko, who I'll notify just now.Skookum1 (talk) 06:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  point of information from IP user 

message: the -teen ending is very wrong  (/tʃɪlˈkoʊtiːn/ chil-koh-teen; maybe in the Tsilhqot'in language it's "teen" as with some other Athapaskan peoples, but in real-world usage in BC it's "-tin" as in the metal; or glottal-stop-n as often in Canada where we "swallow" the /t/ to a glottal stop as in Edmon7n.  I don't know IPA enough to fix that; surprised I never noticed it before; the First Peoples of BC citation for the name has the Tsilhqot'in language pronunciation, not how it's used in English.  I'll change the basic one, not sure what IPA character to replace [i:] with.  Who added that anyways?`Skookum1 (talk) 06:05, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA is wrong 

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thread_title: Assessment comment