Talk:Battle of Carillon

message: I wouldn't like to sound like the people who have "POV" in their mouth all day, but isn't this article a little bit written from an English perspective ? :p Rama 21:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're right.  However, since the Brits did most of the maneuvering (wisely, the French mostly just dug in), it will likely always properly talk more about their moves.  If anyone has a good source looking at the battle from the French perspective I'd be happy to review and merge it in.  I suspect this article also suffers from, what I expect is a common issue, the fact that since this is an English language article that most background material in the authors' primary language is primarily from 1 point of view. --Ahc 13:55, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: English POV?

message: I've again changed "Result" in infobox from "decisive" to "convincing". "Decisive" is ambiguous, as it could imply that the campaign or war hinged on this battle - and we know the French lost the war. I'm less sure that "convincing" is the best alternative, but it least avoids wider importance. --Philcha (talk) 07:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I started this, I removed "decisive" because the outcome of this battle, while unambiguous, did not significantly affect (beyond delay and its attendant costs) the strategy or outcome of the war (in contrast with battles like Saratoga or Quiberon Bay).  On the other hand, Albrecht is correct that the number of adjectives used in this field is typically fairly limited.  That said, I'm somewhat indifferent on the use of adjectives -- if Albrecht really wants it to be decisive, I'm OK with that. Magic♪piano 13:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. Changed back to decisive. While the French did lose the war, it was a decisive victory for the French at this point in the campaign. By that reasoning, the Battle of Austerlitz was not a decisive victory for the French under Napoleon as overall, Napoleon lost. Also by that reasoning, Camden was not a decisive victory for the British in the American Revolution as the British lost the war. (82.28.237.200 (talk) 23:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This, of course, has been my position all along, so it should be no surprise I fully endorse the change. Albrecht (talk) 00:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Result" in infobox

message: The accent in Captain Trepezet's surname migrates from the first e to the second over the course of the article.  Anyone know which is correct? Binabik80 (talk) 02:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trepezet 

message: I'm a bit confused, I've noticed many battle articles describe battles as "decisive victories" even though the side that won battle ultimately lost the war. In the case of Carillon, just the next year the British totally undid it and virtually drove the French out of Canada, it didn't decide anything and didn't even severely hurt the British in the long run. I always thought a decisive battle was a battle that decided a war, like Gaugamela or Leuctra or Leipzig or Waterloo. If its just a victory then isn't it just a "major" victory?
123.243.215.92 (talk) 04:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Decisive" has multiple meanings in the context of battle victories, and use of the word in infoboxes is a regular battleground for agenda-pushing infobox warriors. Magic♪piano 13:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Decisive Victory

message: :"over 3,000 casualties suffered. French losses were about 400,[1] while more than 2,000 were British.[6]" Who suffered the other 600+ casualties? Native Americans? Civilians? Pets? Pmbauer (talk) 08:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The numbers don't match those in the infobox, either: There it gives Fr losses of 100 killed, 500 wounded, 150 captured, and Br. losses as 1000 killed, 1500 wounded, 100 captured. Different sources? Different meaning of the term 'losses'? Moonraker12 (talk) 22:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Casualties) 

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