Talk:Ireland at the British Empire Games

message: THe cfomments about Ireland at the games need a source, and could have been labelled as such. Could the person who said it is dubious say while he/she thinks it it dubious! Hugo999 (talk) 20:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious

message: I have found no definitive evidence that the IFS was represented in 1934. Contemporary news reports are vague about "Ireland" vs "Northern Ireland". That said, I've only checked Google news archive and Irish newspapers. Maybe someone with access to UK newspaper archives can dig something up. Some reports of the opening ceremony say there would be 16 teams, while others, and the CFG results site list only 15; maybe IFS was the sixteenth. Maybe there was no IFS delegation in the opening parade, but there were competitors; maybe the competitors thought they were representing "Ireland" rather than "Irish Free State"; maybe the IFS label was attached retrospectively. The best candidates for IFS representation are:
*  three boxers [L. Scally (flyweight), T. Byrne (bantamweight), Jack Kennedy (welterweight)] who had permission to go; I couldn't find evidence that they actually did go. If they did they must have lost in the first round, held on Weds 8 August 1934.
* Paddy Bermingham: There is no record of his distance; maybe it's lost,or he fouled every throw; or maybe he was enrolled but never turned up; in which case, maybe the enrolment was a mistake. Did he go as an independent participant? The NACA was not attending; did the NIAAA nominate him, in which case he would be NI, not IFS? He won the AAA title that year, at the same White CityStadium the Empire Games were held in. If the AAAs were just before the Empire Games, maybe someone suggested he hang around for that too. 
There seems no doubt that the AAA, who seem to have provided the Games Organising Committee, was geared for separate NI and IFS teams. 
* As regards NI, the NIAAA obliged for athletics and cycling, and the RUC for boxing. 
** Whether the IBA did so for bowls, or sent an "Ireland" team that was put in the NI pigeonhole on arrival, I don't know. 
* But as regards IFS, I don't know if any sport obliged.
jnestorius(talk) 19:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I do count 16 delegations in this Pathé footage of the opening ceremony (see the pan shot at 22–29 secs); which tends to support the IFS presence. jnestorius(talk) 10:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ...but now I see that Trinidad was missing from the 1934 list, so that makes 16 excluiding IFS. jnestorius(talk) 14:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish Free State in 1934?

message: This was an interesting reference to the GAA President's letter. I've read and reread this edition of the Irish Independent (online and in microfilm) and can't find the letter or any reference to it (in letters to editor for example). Did you mean a different paper or can you be more specific as to the page number? Historyisgood14 (talk) 11:10, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I used http://www.irishnewsarchive.com, which I don't currently have access to. I might have mixed up the reference, but it's in there somewhere. There may be a match in irishnewsarchive for page 1 of that date's Kerryman. Since you've gone to the trouble to raise a question, I will recheck the references at some stage, but it might be several weeks before I can get to it. If you are able to do so in the meantime, so much the better. jnestorius(talk) 19:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

text: It's in the Kerryman (p1). Thank you. Still no luck with the Independent. Maybe it was the Irish News? Historyisgood14 (talk) 09:57, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it must have been the Kerryman. I've fixed the reference accordingly. jnestorius(talk) 21:48, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Independent source 2 Aug 1930? 

message: There is a discussion here (update: now archived to here)  which pertains to the flag used in the top infobox. If you feel so inclined, please join in the conversation. Primefac (talk) 22:04, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
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