Talk:List of Amtrak routes

message: Anyone want to collaborate on adding a column with scheduled service time to this table?
Theblindsage (talk) 21:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Scheduled Service Time

message: There are some trains that were listed on other websites for which I cannot find any corraborating info.  I'm going to place these here until further info/confirmation is found.  Please remove items from list that you know are not valid Amtrak Routes.
*Encore (Midwest?)
*Gulf Wind (Was an L&N Train)
*Indiana Connection
*Lake Shore (NOT LAKE SHORE LIMITED) VIA Montreal, QC-Toronto, ON   Montreal - Toronto
*La Salle CN; VIA Chicago, IL-Toronto, ON;Sarnia, ON-Montreal, QC 
*Marquette (Show the Pere Marquette RR Operated this Train Chicago, IL-Grand Rapids, MI; Amtrak now had the Pere Marquette)
*South Breeze
*Spirit of America
*Texan
*Weekender
*West Virginian
*Willamette Valley (Oregon)
*Wishbone
 shows the Lake Shore as the old name for the Lake Shore Limited. The 1991 Trains article agrees. That timetable also shows the West Virginian. --SPUI (talk) 10:51, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: ===1-99===
  	Present use                      	Former uses                                                                                             	  		
1 	Sunset Limited                   	November 14, 1971 - present                                                                             	  		
2 	Sunset Limited                   	November 14, 1971 - present                                                                             	  		
3 	Southwest Chief                  	Super Chief/El Capitan; Super Chief; Southwest Limited; Southwest Chief November 14, 1971 - present     	  		
4 	Southwest Chief                  	Super Chief/El Capitan; Super Chief; Southwest Limited; Southwest Chief November 14, 1971 - present     	  		
5 	California Zephyr                	City of San Francisco/Denver Zephyr; San Francisco Zephyr; California Zephyr November 14, 1971 - present	  		
6 	California Zephyr                	City of San Francisco/Denver Zephyr; San Francisco Zephyr; California Zephyr November 14, 1971 - present	  		
7 	Empire Builder                   	November 14, 1971 - present                                                                             	  		
8 	Empire Builder                   	November 14, 1971 - present                                                                             	  		
9 	                                 	North Coast Hiawatha/Twin Cities Hiawatha; North Star November 14, 1971 - ?                             	  		
10	                                 	North Coast Hiawatha/Twin Cities Hiawatha; North Star November 14, 1971 - ?                             	  		
11	Coast Starlight                  	November 14, 1971 - present                                                                             	  		
12	                                 	Coast Daylight November 14, 1971 - ?Fast Mail                                                           	  		
13	                                 	Coast Daylight November 14, 1971 - ?Fast Mail                                                           	  		
14	Coast Starlight                  	November 14, 1971 - present                                                                             	  		
15	                                 	Texas Chief; Lone Star November 14, 1971 - October 1, 1979National Chief                                	  		
16	                                 	Texas Chief; Lone Star November 14, 1971 - October 1, 1979National Chief                                	  		
17	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
18	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
19	Crescent                         	                                                                                                        	  		
20	Crescent                         	                                                                                                        	  		
21	Texas Eagle                      	Inter-American; Eagle                                                                                   	  		
22	Texas Eagle                      	Inter-American; Eagle                                                                                   	  		
23	                                 	Inter-American (Houston section)Gulf Coast Limited                                                      	  		
24	                                 	Inter-American (Houston section)Gulf Coast Limited                                                      	  		
25	                                 	Pioneer                                                                                                 	  		
26	                                 	Pioneer                                                                                                 	  		
27	Empire Builder (Portland section)	                                                                                                        	  		
28	Empire Builder (Portland section)	                                                                                                        	  		
29	Capitol Limited                  	                                                                                                        	  		
30	Capitol Limited                  	National Limited November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                  	  		
31	                                 	National Limited November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                  	  		
32	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
33	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
34	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
35	                                 	Desert Wind                                                                                             	  		
36	                                 	Desert Wind                                                                                             	  		
37	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
38	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
39	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
40	                                 	Broadway Limited; Three Rivers November 14, 1971 - March 7, 2005                                        	  		
41	                                 	Broadway Limited; Three Rivers November 14, 1971 - March 7, 2005                                        	  		
42	Pennsylvanian                    	Keystone November 14, 1971 - ?Valley Forge                                                              	  		
43	Pennsylvanian                    	Keystone November 14, 1971 - ?Valley Forge                                                              	  		
44	Pennsylvanian                    	Big Apple                                                                                               	  		
45	                                 	Susquehanna                                                                                             	  		
46	                                 	Pennsylvanian Skyline Connection                                                                        	  		
47	                                 	Pennsylvanian Skyline Connection                                                                        	  		
48	Lake Shore Limited               	                                                                                                        	  		
49	Lake Shore Limited               	                                                                                                        	  		
50	Cardinal                         	James Whitcomb Riley/George Washington; Cardinal November 14, 1971 - present                            	  		
51	Cardinal                         	James Whitcomb Riley/George Washington; Cardinal November 14, 1971 - present                            	  		
52	Auto Train                       	Floridian November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                         	  		
53	Auto Train                       	Floridian November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                         	  		
54	Vermonter                        	Mountaineer                                                                                             	  		
55	Vermonter                        	Mountaineer                                                                                             	  		
56	Vermonter                        	                                                                                                        	  		
57	Vermonter                        	                                                                                                        	  		
58	City of New Orleans              	Panama Limited; City of New Orleans November 14, 1971 - present                                         	  		
59	City of New Orleans              	Panama Limited; City of New Orleans November 14, 1971 - present                                         	  		
60	                                 	Montrealer                                                                      	  		
61	                                 	Lake Shore November 14, 1971 - ?Montrealer]]                                                            	62		Lake Shore November 14, 1971 - ?
63	Maple Leaf                       	                                                                                                        	  		
64	Maple Leaf                       	                                                                                                        	  		
65	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
66	                                 	Night Owl; Twilight Shoreliner                                                                          	  		
67	                                 	Night Owl; Twilight Shoreliner                                                                          	  		
68	Adirondack                       	                                                                                                        	  		
69	Adirondack                       	                                                                                                        	  		
70	Adirondack                       	New York-Buffalo November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                  	  		
71	Adirondack                       	New York-Buffalo November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                  	  		
72	                                 	New York-Buffalo November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                  	  		
73	Piedmont                         	New York-Buffalo November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                  	  		
74	Piedmont                         	New York-Buffalo November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                  	  		
75	                                 	New York-Buffalo November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                  	  		
76	                                 	Twilight Shoreliner                                                                                     	  		
77	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
78	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
79	Carolinian                       	                                                                                                        	  		
80	Carolinian                       	                                                                                                        	  		
81	                                 	Silver Star (Tampa section) November 14, 1971 - ?                                                       	  		
82	                                 	Silver Star (Tampa section) November 14, 1971 - ?                                                       	  		
83	                                 	Silver Meteor November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                     	  		
84	                                 	Silver Meteor November 14, 1971 - ?                                                                     	  		
85	                                 	Champion November 14, 1971 - ?Virginian                                                                 	  		
86	                                 	Champion November 14, 1971 - ?Virginian                                                                 	  		
87	                                 	Silver Meteor (Tampa section)                                                                           	  		
88	                                 	Silver Meteor (Tampa section)                                                                           	  		
89	Palmetto                         	Silver Palm                                                                                             	  		
90	Palmetto                         	Silver Palm                                                                                             	  		
91	Silver Star                      	November 14, 1971 - present                                                                             	  		
92	Silver Star                      	November 14, 1971 - present                                                                             	  		
93	                                 	Floridian (Miami section)Tidewater                                                                      	  		
94	                                 	Floridian (Miami section)Old Dominion                                                                   	  		
95	                                 	Old Dominion                                                                                            	  		
96	                                 	Tidewater                                                                                               	  		
97	Silver Meteor                    	                                                                                                        	  		
98	Silver Meteor                    	                                                                                                        	  		
99	                                 	                                                                                                        	  		
===100-199===
   	Present use	Former uses
195	           	Mount Rainier November 14, 1971 - ?
196	           	Mount Rainier November 14, 1971 - ?
197	           	
198	           	Mount Rainier November 14, 1971 - ?
199	           	Mount Rainier November 14, 1971 - ?
===200-299===
   	Present use        	Former uses
230	Empire Service     	
231	Empire Service     	
232	Empire Service     	
233	Empire Service     	
234	Empire Service     	
235	Empire Service     	
236	Empire Service     	
237	Empire Service     	
238	Empire Service     	
239	Empire Service     	
240	Empire Service     	
241	Empire Service     	
242	Empire Service     	
243	Empire Service     	
244	Empire Service     	
245	Empire Service     	
246	Empire Service     	
247	Empire Service     	
248	Empire Service     	
249	Empire Service     	
250	Empire Service     	
251	Empire Service     	
252	Empire Service     	
253	Empire Service     	
254	Empire Service     	
255	Empire Service     	
256	Empire Service     	
257	Empire Service     	
258	Empire Service     	
259	Empire Service     	
260	Empire Service     	
261	Empire Service     	
262	Empire Service     	
263	Empire Service     	
264	Empire Service     	
265	Empire Service     	
266	Empire Service     	
267	Empire Service     	
268	Empire Service     	
269	Empire Service     	
270	Empire Service     	
271	Empire Service     	
272	Empire Service     	
273	Empire Service     	
274	Empire Service     	
275	Empire Service     	
276	Empire Service     	
277	Empire Service     	
278	Empire Service     	
279	Empire Service     	
280	Empire Service     	
281	Empire Service     	
282	Empire Service     	
283	Empire Service     	
284	Empire Service     	
285	Empire Service     	
286	Empire Service     	
287	Empire Service     	
288	Empire Service     	
289	                   	
290	Ethan Allen Express	
291	Ethan Allen Express	
292	Ethan Allen Express	
293	Ethan Allen Express	
294	Ethan Allen Express	
295	Ethan Allen Express	
296	Ethan Allen Express	
297	                   	
298	                   	
299	                   	
===300-399===
   	Present use     	Former uses
300	State House     	
301	                	Prairie State November 14, 1971 - ?Kansas City Mule
302	                	Abraham Lincoln November 14, 1971 - ?State House
303	Ann Rutledge    	Abraham Lincoln November 14, 1971 - ?State House
304	Ann Rutledge    	Prairie State November 14, 1971 - ?
305	State House     	
306	                	St. Louis Mule
307	                	
308	                	
309	                	
310	                	
311	Kansas City Mule	Loop
312	                	Loop
313	Ann Rutledge    	
314	Ann Rutledge    	
315	                	
316	St. Louis Mule  	
317	Hoosier State   	
318	Hoosier State   	
319	                	
320	                	Prairie State November 14, 1971 - ?
321	                	Chicago-Milwaukee November 14, 1971 - ?EagleTexas Eagle
322	                	Chicago-Milwaukee November 14, 1971 - ?EagleTexas Eagle
323	Ann Rutledge    	Abraham Lincoln November 14, 1971 - ?
324	Ann Rutledge    	Chicago-Milwaukee November 14, 1971 - ?
325	                	Chicago-Milwaukee November 14, 1971 - ?
326	                	Abraham Lincoln November 14, 1971 - ?
327	                	
328	                	
329	Hiawatha        	Prairie State November 14, 1971 - ?
330	Hiawatha        	
331	Hiawatha        	
332	Hiawatha        	
333	Hiawatha        	
334	Hiawatha        	
335	Hiawatha        	
336	Hiawatha        	
337	Hiawatha        	
338	Hiawatha        	
339	Hiawatha        	
340	Hiawatha        	
341	Hiawatha        	
342	Hiawatha        	
343	                	Lake Country Limited
344	                	Lake Country Limited
345	                	
346	                	Illinois Zephyr
347	Illinois Zephyr 	November 14, 1971 - present
348	Illinois Zephyr 	November 14, 1971 - present
349	                	
350	Wolverine       	Wolverine
351	Wolverine       	Wolverine
352	Wolverine       	Lake Cities
353	Wolverine       	Lake Cities
354	Wolverine       	Twilight Limited
355	Wolverine       	Twilight Limited
356	                	Wolverine
357	                	
358	                	River Cities
359	                	River Cities
360	                	Wolverine November 14, 1971 - ?
361	                	Wolverine November 14, 1971 - ?
362	                	St. Clair November 14, 1971 - ?
363	                	St. Clair November 14, 1971 - ?
364	Blue Water      	Blue Water Limited; International
365	Blue Water      	Blue Water Limited; International
366	                	International
367	                	International
368	                	
369	                	
370	Pere Marquette  	
371	Pere Marquette  	
372	                	
373	                	Pere Marquette
374	                	
375	                	
376	                	
377	                	
378	                	
379	                	
380	                	
381	                	
382	                	
383	                	
384	                	
385	                	
386	                	
387	                	
388	                	
389	                	
390	                	Illini November 14, 1971 - ?
391	Illini          	Shawnee November 14, 1971 - ?
392	Illini          	Shawnee November 14, 1971 - ?
393	                	Illini November 14, 1971 - ?
394	                	Campus November 14, 1971 - ?
395	                	Campus November 14, 1971 - ?
396	                	
397	                	
398	                	
399	                	
===400-499===
   	Present use                        	Former uses
412	                                   	Fast Mail
421	Texas Eagle (Los Angeles section)  	
422	Texas Eagle (Los Angeles section)  	
448	Lake Shore Limited (Boston section)	
449	Lake Shore Limited (Boston section)	
===500-599===
   	Present use      	Former uses
500	Amtrak Cascades  	
501	Amtrak Cascades  	
502	Amtrak Cascades  	
503	Amtrak Cascades  	
504	Amtrak Cascades  	
505	Amtrak Cascades  	
506	Amtrak Cascades  	
507	Amtrak Cascades  	
508	Amtrak Cascades  	
509	Amtrak Cascades  	
510	Amtrak Cascades  	
511	Amtrak Cascades  	
512	Amtrak Cascades  	
513	Amtrak Cascades  	
514	Amtrak Cascades  	
515	Amtrak Cascades  	
516	Amtrak Cascades  	
517	Amtrak Cascades  	
518	Capitol Corridor 	
519	Capitol Corridor 	Gulf Breeze
520	Capitol Corridor 	Gulf Breeze
521	Capitol Corridor 	Texas Eagle (Houston section)
522	Capitol Corridor 	Texas Eagle (Houston section)
523	Capitol Corridor 	
524	Capitol Corridor 	
525	Capitol Corridor 	
526	Capitol Corridor 	
527	Capitol Corridor 	
528	Capitol Corridor 	
529	Capitol Corridor 	
530	Capitol Corridor 	
531	Capitol Corridor 	
532	Capitol Corridor 	
533	Capitol Corridor 	
534	Capitol Corridor 	
535	Capitol Corridor 	
536	Capitol Corridor 	
537	Capitol Corridor 	
538	Capitol Corridor 	
539	Capitol Corridor 	
540	Capitol Corridor 	
541	Capitol Corridor 	
542	Capitol Corridor 	
543	Capitol Corridor 	
544	Capitol Corridor 	
545	Capitol Corridor 	
546	Capitol Corridor 	
547	Capitol Corridor 	
548	Capitol Corridor 	
549	Capitol Corridor 	
550	Capitol Corridor 	
551	Capitol Corridor 	
552	                 	
553	                 	
554	                 	
555	                 	
556	                 	
557	                 	
558	                 	
559	                 	
560	                 	
561	                 	
562	Pacific Surfliner	
563	Pacific Surfliner	
564	Pacific Surfliner	
565	Pacific Surfliner	
566	Pacific Surfliner	
567	Pacific Surfliner	
568	Pacific Surfliner	
569	Pacific Surfliner	Orange County Commuter
570	Pacific Surfliner	
571	Pacific Surfliner	
572	Pacific Surfliner	
573	Pacific Surfliner	
574	Pacific Surfliner	
575	Pacific Surfliner	
576	Pacific Surfliner	
577	Pacific Surfliner	
578	Pacific Surfliner	
579	Pacific Surfliner	
580	Pacific Surfliner	
581	Pacific Surfliner	
582	Pacific Surfliner	Orange County Commuter
583	Pacific Surfliner	
584	Pacific Surfliner	
585	Pacific Surfliner	
586	Pacific Surfliner	
587	Pacific Surfliner	
588	Pacific Surfliner	
589	Pacific Surfliner	
590	Pacific Surfliner	
591	Pacific Surfliner	
592	Pacific Surfliner	
593	Pacific Surfliner	
594	Pacific Surfliner	
595	Pacific Surfliner	
596	Pacific Surfliner	
597	Pacific Surfliner	
598	                 	
599	                 	
===600-699===
   	Present use     	Former uses
600	                	
601	Keystone Service	
602	Keystone Service	
603	Keystone Service	
604	Keystone Service	
605	Keystone Service	
606	Keystone Service	
607	Keystone Service	
608	Keystone Service	
609	Keystone Service	
610	Keystone Service	
611	Keystone Service	
612	Keystone Service	
613	Keystone Service	
614	Keystone Service	
615	Keystone Service	
616	Keystone Service	
617	Keystone Service	
618	Keystone Service	
619	Keystone Service	
620	Keystone Service	
621	Keystone Service	
622	Keystone Service	
623	Keystone Service	
624	Keystone Service	
625	Keystone Service	
626	Keystone Service	
627	Keystone Service	
628	Keystone Service	
629	Keystone Service	
630	Keystone Service	
631	Keystone Service	
632	Keystone Service	
633	Keystone Service	
634	Keystone Service	
635	Keystone Service	
636	Keystone Service	
637	Keystone Service	
638	Keystone Service	
639	Keystone Service	
640	Keystone Service	West Virginian November 14, 1971 - ?
641	Keystone Service	West Virginian November 14, 1971 - ?
642	Keystone Service	West Virginian November 14, 1971 - ?
643	Keystone Service	West Virginian November 14, 1971 - ?
644	Keystone Service	
645	Keystone Service	
646	Keystone Service	
647	Keystone Service	
648	Keystone Service	
649	Keystone Service	
650	Keystone Service	
651	Keystone Service	
652	Keystone Service	
653	Keystone Service	Atlantic City Express
654	Keystone Service	Atlantic City Express
655	Keystone Service	
656	Keystone Service	
657	Keystone Service	
658	Keystone Service	
659	Keystone Service	
660	Keystone Service	
661	Keystone Service	Atlantic City Express
662	Keystone Service	Atlantic City Express
663	                	Atlantic City Express
664	                	Atlantic City Express
665	                	Atlantic City Express
666	                	Atlantic City Express
680	Downeaster      	
681	Downeaster      	
682	Downeaster      	Atlantic City Express
683	Downeaster      	
684	Downeaster      	
685	Downeaster      	Atlantic City Express
686	Downeaster      	
687	Downeaster      	
688	Downeaster      	
689	Downeaster      	
690	                	
691	                	
692	                	
693	                	Atlantic City Express
694	                	
695	                	
696	                	Atlantic City Express
697	                	
698	                	
699	                	
===700-799===
   	Present use      	Former uses
700	                 	
701	San Joaquins     	
702	San Joaquins     	
703	San Joaquins     	
704	San Joaquins     	
705	San Joaquins     	
706	San Joaquins     	
707	San Joaquins     	
708	San Joaquins     	
709	San Joaquins     	
710	San Joaquins     	
711	San Joaquins     	
712	San Joaquins     	
713	San Joaquins     	
714	San Joaquins     	
715	San Joaquins     	
716	San Joaquins     	
717	San Joaquins     	
718	San Joaquins     	
719	                 	
720	Capitol Corridor 	
721	Capitol Corridor 	
722	Capitol Corridor 	
723	Capitol Corridor 	
724	Capitol Corridor 	
725	Capitol Corridor 	
726	Capitol Corridor 	
727	Capitol Corridor 	
728	Capitol Corridor 	
729	Capitol Corridor 	
730	Capitol Corridor 	
731	Capitol Corridor 	
732	Capitol Corridor 	
733	Capitol Corridor 	
734	Capitol Corridor 	
735	Capitol Corridor 	
736	Capitol Corridor 	
737	Capitol Corridor 	
738	Capitol Corridor 	
739	Capitol Corridor 	
740	Capitol Corridor 	
741	Capitol Corridor 	
742	Capitol Corridor 	
743	Capitol Corridor 	
744	Capitol Corridor 	
745	Capitol Corridor 	
746	Capitol Corridor 	
747	Capitol Corridor 	
748	Capitol Corridor 	
749	Capitol Corridor 	
750	Capitol Corridor 	Cascadia; Amtrak Cascades
751	Capitol Corridor 	Cascadia; Amtrak Cascades
752	                 	Mount Adams
753	                 	Mount Adams
754	                 	Amtrak Cascades
755	                 	Amtrak Cascades
756	                 	
757	                 	
758	                 	
759	                 	
760	                 	Mount Baker International; Amtrak Cascades
761	Arrowhead        	Mount Baker International; Amtrak Cascades
762	                 	
763	Pacific Surfliner	Arrowhead
764	Pacific Surfliner	
765	Pacific Surfliner	
766	Pacific Surfliner	Arrowhead
767	Pacific Surfliner	
768	Pacific Surfliner	
769	Pacific Surfliner	
770	Pacific Surfliner	
771	Pacific Surfliner	
772	Pacific Surfliner	
773	Pacific Surfliner	
774	Pacific Surfliner	
775	Pacific Surfliner	San Diegan November 14, 1971 - ?
776	Pacific Surfliner	San Diegan November 14, 1971 - ?
777	Pacific Surfliner	San Diegan November 14, 1971 - ?
778	Pacific Surfliner	San Diegan November 14, 1971 - ?
779	Pacific Surfliner	
780	Pacific Surfliner	
781	Pacific Surfliner	
782	Pacific Surfliner	
783	Pacific Surfliner	
784	Pacific Surfliner	
785	Pacific Surfliner	
786	Pacific Surfliner	
787	Pacific Surfliner	
788	Pacific Surfliner	
789	Pacific Surfliner	
790	Pacific Surfliner	
791	Pacific Surfliner	
792	Pacific Surfliner	
793	Pacific Surfliner	Pacific International
794	Pacific Surfliner	Pacific International
795	Pacific Surfliner	Mount Rainier
796	Pacific Surfliner	Mount Rainier
797	Pacific Surfliner	Mount RainierPuget Sound
798	Pacific Surfliner	Puget Sound
799	Pacific Surfliner	
===800-899===
   	Present use    	Former uses
821	Heartland Flyer	Eagle
822	Heartland Flyer	Eagle
850	               	Kentucky Cardinal
851	               	Kentucky Cardinal
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I have a summary of the ownership of Amtrak's 21,767 route miles here-
http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/569629/ShowPost.aspx 
Dale
nanaimo73@shaw.ca
*Dale, that's an excellent work you did there.  Rhallanger 00:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: By number

message: Present use    	Former uses
821	Heartland Flyer	Eagle
822	Heartland Flyer	Eagle
850	               	Kentucky Cardinal
851	               	Kentucky Cardinal
--------------------------------------------------
I have a summary of the ownership of Amtrak's 21,767 route miles here-
http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/569629/ShowPost.aspx 
Dale
nanaimo73@shaw.ca
*Dale, that's an excellent work you did there.  Rhallanger 00:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 800-899

message: A 1986 LADOTD map shows four Amtrak routes, all from New Orleans - to Slidell via Southern, Hammond via ICG, Schriever, New Iberia, Lafayette and Lake Charles via SP and New Orleans East via Seaboard. Does anyone know details on the New Orleans East route? Is this referring to the Gulf Coast Limited (and thus in error, as that was discontinued in January 1985)? Or did Amtrak operate a commuter train there? --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 07:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Orleans East?

message: There are some trains listed, especially on the Northeast Corridor, that lost their names but still exist.  Those need to be marked, but how to do that in an overly-long article?  --plaws 21:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trains that exist but lost their number 

message: Means nothing.  What you want is revenue passenger miles since, particularly on longer routes, seats can turn over multiple times. --plaws (talk) 21:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridership per mile? 

message: Quite long passenger routes you have, anything over 500 miles would probably be classed as long-distance here if such a class would be regulated. 85.76.37.10 (talk) 18:35, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Whoa

message: I've separated the Keystone Corridor section into two tables - the Harrisburg-Philadelphia local services that are now under the Keystone Service brand, and Pittsburgh-Philadelphia services (now only the Pennsylvanian) that general didn't provide local service east of Harrisburg. I think this is more clear, but could be convinced otherwise. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:42, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I 'm afraid there's always going to be some degree of duplication no matter how you divide it up. Even discounting the proper long-distance trains that run express on the NEC, you have a number of trains that offer local service on the NEC and also go elsewhere. Carolinian, Vermonter, pretty much every NYC-HBG train that's existed, the Virginia extensions of Northeast Regionals, etc. I think you end up having to make some really awkward judgement calls about what list to put things on if you try to restrict it to exactly one listing of each train. What about that Downington Metroliner that ran 80% of its route miles on the NEC? What if the Lynchburger gets extended to Bristol as proposed - it would be almost as long as the Carolinian, but still may remain under the Northeast Regional brand. Amtrak seems to always have an exception for every rule. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:04, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keystone Corridor 

message: Should the Valley Flyer trains be listed separately? Or should we change the length of the Hartford Line trains to 98 miles to include the two round trips to Greenfield, MA?Mirza Ahmed (talk) 07:38, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Valley Flyer

message: In the January 1972 Amtrak route guide*, there is a route called "Keystone" pg 52, top row, train #43, and pg 53, bottom row, train #42. It's a New York to Philly route. I'm mapping route changes based on the printed schedules, so I have no further info than what appears there. Not comfortable just stuffing it into the chart. 
*From the Museaum of Railway Timetables  
Lindaniel (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the tip. Looks like we already have it listed - see the second chart under #Keystone Corridor. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The earliest in that chart is 1980. The Keystone I reference is in 1972. I'm now working on 1973 guides, and this Keystone has only been listed in the January 1972 Amtrak guide. (oops, forgot to sign in Lindaniel) 74.76.173.30 (talk) 03:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're looking at the first chart. The 1972 iteration of the Keystone is in the second chart, right under the Duquesne and Fort Pitt. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:26, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

text: I did further searching in my stuff, and found ...that your answer above is "my" Keystone. Searched on Duquesne, and there it was. I'm glad I didn't try amending the page before asking about it. Thank you for your patience.  Lindaniel (talk) 22:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keystone route in 1972 

message: There are multiple dates in the various tables which have a red background, but as far as I can tell there's nothing in the article itself that explains what this use of color means. This seems inconsistent with MOS:COLOR's requirement that colored backgrounds should not be used except in conjunction with accessibility tools or footnotes to make it clear what the use of color is meant to symbolize. Rfwang4 (talk) 21:06, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That's odd. It seems to me that the colors indicate either a) the route was operated by Amtrak on May 1, 1971, the date Amtrak began operations, or b) the route is currently active. I don't understand why both cases would use the same color. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  That appears to have been around since 2005, could use an update perhaps. Cards84664 21:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, 2005, when VHS was still a thing and I was in elementary school. That was probably advanced technique back in 2005 to have the colors like that. I'd recommend changing the present services color from red to green. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:31, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

text: I realize that @Trainsandotherthings have our differences over station notability but there's no need to make some us feel older than we are :). Anyway, the red background denoted (for the start date) trains that Amtrak assumed control over on May 1, 1971 and (for the end date) trains that are still running. At one time, I believe, the reporting mark of the pre-Amtrak carrier was also indicated in the start date. I agree that in its current form it adds nothing. If a color key is needed or useful, we should do something similar to what's implemented at List of MBTA subway stations. Mackensen (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit: yes they were, see  for example. Mackensen (talk) 22:39, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Sure, and maybe add a new column for predecessor operator, similar to Conrail#Passenger rail operations. Cards84664 23:26, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors in table