Talk:Munster Rugby

message: The last weeks and days have seen a large number of claim/counter claim.  Munster are great/Munster are rubbish etc.  While we all have opinions, Wikipedia is supposed to be an independent view.  Your support in this is appreciated.  If you do have opinions, this discussion page is the place for them and not the main article.  Remember that repeated abuse of articles is regarded as vandalism.Nelson50 18:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Brian Lima? YEs I know he was signed but he didn't play one game. Thus I can't warrant his inclusion as a former player.
What's the problem with the term out-half?  It's by far the most common term used (in Ireland at any rate) for the number 10 position.  The official Munsterrugby site even lists O'Gara as an out-half....
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/provincialplayerpage/17119.html
There is a standard set of names for positions as used by the IRB. It was created because different unions use different names for the same position e.g. fly half, outside half, stand-off, first five eights etc, this causes confusion especially amongst those new to the game. I had never heard of the term 'out half' until you used it. I think it's best to use the standard terms on what is an international project ot at least put the standard term in brackets 'out half (fly half)'. Have a look at Rugby union positions to see how confusing it can be. GordyB 12:09, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Former "Players"

message: This needs serious de-POVing.  It's supposed to be an encyclopedia article, not a fan site!  Gerry Lynch 01:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: We were on our way

message: is it appropriate to use the tricolour opposite the players who are qualified for Ireland? The Ulster rugby article on Wikipedia uses a nice flag depicting a shamrock on a white background.  (Is this the IRFU flag?).  Perhaps it would be better to have a standard arrangement for all these closely related articles on Wikipedia, and I don't think it would necessarily be appropriate to use the tricolour for the Ulster players qualified to play for Ireland.  The shamrock on the white background might also be a good way of identifying Irish-qualified players playing for English or French clubs, rather than the tricolour.  (See, e.g., the Harlequins page on Wikipedia, which uses the tricolour).
:Agreed. This page somehow got missed.GordyB 21:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you do that, then you can't use the tricolour to represnt the national team. A tiny bit bizarre to use one symbol for players but another for the team. We're not exactly going to contact individual players to find out whether they object to the tricolour or not.GordyB 19:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tricolour?

message: Hi lads, the Munster away jersey as depicted on the website is actually a false one.
Munster's away jersey of choice and the one listed with the ERC is a Navy Jersey with red trim.
As wore on several occasions by Munster.
Cheers
Donn O Sullivan Limerick Post Newspaper, Munster Ireland.
*This grey and black jersey at the official Munster online store is listed as the team's current "alternate jersey", with the navy and red one being termed a training jersey. Was the jersey changed to the grey-and-black one recently? --Kwekubo 18:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Last year, the change strip was certainly navy, however I am not sure that this is the case this year with the official website stating grey. Does anyone have a photo from this weekends (2006-11-05) match against the Scarlets. This would answer the question as the scarlets wore red. --Bob 16:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Munster away jersey. 

message: This article  uses far too many flowery expression and generally sings the praised of Munster a little too much (Gnevin 17:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No real need to expand this , this article is npov (Gnevin 01:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, I feel - go ahead Nelson50 19:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Munster rugby badge.png

message: Folks, just a reminder when editing this article that "Munster" and "team" are singular nouns and take "is", not "are". Stifle (talk) 14:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in UK English. Teams can be either "it" or "they".GordyB (talk) 17:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singular 

message: The below content was recently added in good faith by an anon. I have removed it (but kept here for "reuse") as it is too extensive for an article at this level. Per WP:NOT#STATS, "Wikipedia is not a repository of long and sprawling lists of statistics". Certainly where they impact the readability of the article. If deemed valuable - or indicative of a unique aspect of the history of the club - these MIGHT be summarised and/or spawned into their own article. But in this form they are too much. Guliolopez (talk) 18:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "Results Against Touring Rugby Nations"

message: I feel that Notable Players section should be cleaned up and perhaps have some parts removed.
Looking at the lists I feel these were plucked from people's memory rather than any real source and favour players that have played in recent times. I would favour the removal of the list of Irish internationals as Munster being one of the four braches of the IRFU would have countless internationals and this list could go on. Also one of the four braches of the union (and one of the "big three") having players on the national team is not really that notable. I feel a list like this is more suitable to a club's page like Shannon, Young Munster or Cork Con were the achievement is more notable.
Lions players are obviously notable but once again this list seems to be plucked out of peoples heads- I notice even a few ommissions myself.
Also I would question the value of notable overseas players. Should this not be notable munster players and include everyone. 
Anyway regardless of how people feel on the last two issues I would like to remove the Irish international section if a consensus can be reached.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limericksham (talk • contribs) 18:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Not only is this list not exhaustive, it is not encyclopedic in that it "records" caps, rather than explaining what a cap is, if you get my drift. I feel the same way about the constantly expanding table of match scores. Imagine if every match gets added to Wikipedia - the whole server farm would go down. Further, there are two categories: Lions players and Irish players. Perhaps both of these could have sub-categories created for the provinces, Welsh regions, etc. Just a thought. Go ahead and remove the list, but I would suggest you follow the example of Guliolopez above and retain the list is on this talk page. Nelson50T 20:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Players/ British and Irish Lions 

message: Seeing as though the IRFU flag is copyrighted, I've removed all the flags to keep the uniformity of the page (Anthony of the Desert (talk) 21:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  IRFU Flag 

message: The article reads as if the Lions tour has already happened. I would change the wording from "represented the Lions" to "were chosen to represent the Lions," as Thomas O'Leary won't actually be representing them and Quinlan may not actually go, but that is for another day.140.203.210.236 (talk) 15:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the wording isn't right, but I wonder if earlier players will be done a disservice by changing the wording as suggested above. Some might have been chosen to represent but did not play, etc. I think reference to the 2009 Lions should be removed. The section says "these players have represented the Lions" (or similar) but the 2009 Lions have not played a game and so no-one has represented them! However, it's probably quite a minefield and would probably require cleaning up on most club pages with Lions in the 2009 squad!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigger digger (talk • contribs) 16:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have edited the article to indicate the 2009 squad members are not yet representatives of the 2009 Lions. Not long to go now though ;-) Bigger digger (talk) 19:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 Lions 

message: An IP editor is removing the score from the Munster v Leinster HC S/F. I've reverted it (and am about to do so again) as I believe it's relevant and useful information. Does anyone else have an opinion? Bigger digger (talk) 13:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Score removal 

message: anyone able to update the colours of the home shorts from blue to red? GainLine  ♠  ♥ 20:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Colours 

message: I removed the results for this section as the season is just barely started. I presume that this section is for final results and not to reflect the curreent situation. If I'm wrong, please feel free to revert me. GainLine  ♠  ♥ 08:54, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 2009/2010 Celtic League (Magners) results

message: The 12-0 victory occurred on Tuesday 31 October 1978 at Thomond Park, in front of a crowd of 214,746. This is a massive underestimate. My research in many bars and public houses in Munster and elsewhere leads me to estimate that the crowd on that day would have been at least 600,000 making it a record attendance for any football code. Seriously though does any one have an actual figure?
Why are New Zealand referred to as the All Blacks, and Australia simply as Australia. Should use the proper country names Silent Billy (talk) 00:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Against the All Blacks 

message: Currently shows O'Gara on 232 appearences.  This should be 233 given that he will have his record 234th appearance on Saturday 5th January according to the official site  So, how many other members of the 200 Club have the wrong total?  Hamish59 (talk) 20:14, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  200 Club 

message: Under the home grounds section, it is stated that Munster never lost a home game in the European cup until Leicester in 2007. The record was that they never lost at Thomond Park but they were previously defeated by Cardiff in a home game at Musgrave Park.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.127.72.6 (talk) 10:17, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Home Grounds - European Record 

message: While it is true that Limerick is a hotbed of rugby more so than Cork, before the advent of the AIL, the three big traditional clubs would have been Cork Constitution, UCC (formerly Queens University Cork) and Garryowen, who would have won many of the Munster Senior Cups over the first 100 years of the competition and contributed many players to provincial and national teams. The article makes it appear as if Shannon and Young Munster; who do have proud traditions were always amongst the strongest clubs in the province.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.127.72.6 (talk) 10:20, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional Clubs 

message: Does this section add any value? Why have a list of all overseas players that have ever played, and not have a list of all Irish players that have ever played for the club? I am tempted to remove this list, but wanted to see if there were any objections first. Barryjjoyce (talk) 05:04, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overseas Players 

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message: Conor Phillips and Cian Hurley joined the Munster academy in the 2020-21 season. As such they should (I believe) be classed as Year 2 players (along with Alex Kendellan and Scott Buckley) according to the logic applied to the other academy players.
There is also an argument that assuming that all academy players listed should be moved back a year (for example Eoin O’Connor and Paddy Kelly should be listed as Year 2). Munster have not confirmed the make up of their academy for 2021-22, so for example, it has not been confirmed that Paddy and Eoin are moving into year 3. CiallNollins (talk) 12:19, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Academy listing