Talk:Brécourt Manor Assault

message: This article mentions that "The position was not (as is often reported) defended by German paratroopers of the elite 6th Fallschirmjäger Regiment commanded by Colonel von der Heydte, which were mainly located further to the south in the Carentan area. In total, the Americans were opposed by approximately sixty German soldiers.". The article about Richard Winters ([]) on the other hand states that "The guns were defended by at least one platoon of the 6th Fallschirmjager Regiment while Winters had only thirteen men. The attack took place south of the village of Le Grand-Chemin, and is often referred to as the Brécourt Manor Assault." So which one is correct?
Know what I'll give someone 1 week before I change that because in the book Biggest Brother the CO of the 6th blahblahblah regiment said that he had his troops there while he and winters discussed the battle. So where is this quote coming from?--LtWinters 19:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who defended the guns? 

message: "... often cited as a classic example of small unit tactics "
: Would be nice to have some documented proof of this.  If know BofB mentions it, but is there an online source or citation that refers to this attack in current Army training?  Beanbatch 21:16, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Band of Brothers does what wiki guidelines discourage: it states things as fact with no documentation. That was Ambrose's style, which burned him late in life when he was caught and exposed. That in turn led to hard looks at his "popular history" and was found to be riddled with errors, inaccuracies and in some cases outright fabrications. BoB is not a reliable source for any statement such as this.--Buckboard 05:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Normal practice is to spell out numbers below ten, and use the numerals for any number higher than that. 
DMorpheus 17:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Ambrose was wrong, whether intentionally or not is subject to speculation. Von der Heydte went to St Come du Mont, not St Marie du Mont. The church steeple was in St. Come. The information comes from von der Heydte's own after-action report, referenced in the US Army history on the action published after WWII. He sent his 1st bn to St Marie, but he never saw it, much less Brecourt Manor. "Find some artillerymen"? Give me a break--a fallschirmjager lieutenant with no previous familiarity with the territory or dispositions is going to be able to "find some artillerymen" (at his local artilleryman store) but not a lieutenant colonel? Upon such illogical foibles is fallacious history built. --Buckboard 02:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Band of Brothers is rife with inaccuracies and not reliable as a source for contentious points without corroboration. The miniseries is even worse. The guns were part of III/191 Artillerie Regiment, part of the 91st Luftland Division, not the 6th Parachute Rgt. The histories all indicate that the 6th was still on the road to Carentan from near La Haye-du-Puits when Brecourt Manor took place.--Buckboard 01:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many problems with this article 1) Weasel words (eg: "often" cited as a "classic" example of tactics. By who? What is the source for this?) 2) Unreferenced facts/figures (eg: the numbers of Germans defending and the numbers of Germans killed. What is the source for this? American military sources must be treated with caution, as they have a history of exaggeration). 3) The fact that this article exists at all. Why is this small, relatively unimportant engagement involving only small numbers of local units the subject of a wikipedia article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.82.87.41 (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  textbook tactics? 

message: There are a couple of inconsistencies between the box on the rhs and the main text:
* text says 50 germans, box says 60+
* text says 1 dead, box says 4
Ollie 04:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the other dead may have been from Dog Company. I know that it's not the best source, but watching that episode of BoB, it looks like several of Spears' men get hit when they go for the last gun. Either way, this should be explained. --UNHchabo 05:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couple of Contradictions 

message: How much of this can actually be substantiated - and how much is lifted straight from Band of Brothers? This reads like the plot of a TV show.--Cancun771 (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Factuality 

message: T-5 John D. Hall, whom the series depicts as having been KIA in the Brecourt action, may have been a member of the basketball team, but he was not a member of Company 'A', as the dialogue indicates. He actually belonged to Service Company, as did Gerald Loraine. Loraine was not Sink's only jeep driver, and Fred Roe, from Michigan, also performed that function at various times in WW2.
John D. Halls, same middle initial as John D. Hall, but note the 's' on his last name, was a member of the 81mm mortar platoon, of Headquarters Co., 2nd battalion, 506th PIR, and according to John Barickman of the same platoon, it was HALLS who was killed in the Brecourt fight, not HALL.
This is likely to be correct, because John D. Hall died in the plane crash of Stick #32 near Picauville, France, and all aboard were killed in that crash. Lt. Kenneth Beatty, the XO of C/506th was jumpmaster and most of the troopers aboard were Charlie Co. men. In 2004, as some Brits were preparing to put-up a marker in memory pof those victims at the Uppottery airfield site in the U.K., the name T-5 John D. HALL, of Service Co., appeared on the loading manifest.
Since HALL could not have made the jump at all, and since he could only be KIA once, he was certainly NOT the trooper KIA at the Brecourt fight.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virgo664 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  PFC John D. Halls & PFC John D. Hall BoB Mistake 

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message: Winters appears to be mistaken in naming the "90th Artillery Regiment" as parent of the battery his force destroyed (Beyond Band Of Brothers, p. 90). Heer Artillerie-Regiment 90 was subordinated to 10. Panzer Division, which surrendered to the Allies in Tunisia in 1943 . If this were a transcription error, Winters could be referring to (Gebirgs-) Artillerie-Regiment 191 (oddly designated a 'mountain' unit in April 1944, perhaps due to its armament), which was the established artillery regiment of 91. Luftlande-Infanterie-Division (see also this unit's Lexikon page), the parent unit of Grenadier-Regiment 1058. 
If this could be confirmed it would make it much more likely that the other German infantry defending the battery belonged to  Grenadier-Regiment 1058. 118.87.41.238 (talk) 05:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identity of the battery