Talk:Worlds Collide (Apocalyptica album)

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BetacommandBot 01:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:432681.jpg

message: the track SOS resembles a song by the band oomph! called "niemand". by that i am refering to the main melody of the chorus.
as apocalytica have appeared in one of their videos, i think its not too unlikely for SOS to actually be some kind of coversong(?).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.97.154 (talk) 23:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOS 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Apocalyptica-Worlds Collide.jpg

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message: I merged the trivia section into the article and removed some irrelevant information, but Alinblack insists on reverting my changes. I don't think that information about songs which didn't make the album or artists approached to help create the album are relevant to the article—it's too trivial. ~MDD4696 05:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'trivial' information is to give a better input not just into the album that was produced, but the album as it was being made. As such information as atrists approached, gives people an idea of the direction, and scope of what the band had in mind when making the album, and also an idea as to where they're heading with the next album. You personally, may concider it trivial... but not everyone will. Wikipedia is here to form a place for all information of specific subjects and articles for people to have access to. Anyone who may not be familiar, for example, with Apocalyptica, and are trying to find out what they can, the more information they have the more useful it is to them. That's the purpose of the site... to collate all information into one specific place. Merge what you want of the trivia into the main article, but don't erase it. It's not your information to erase. It's been put there for a reason. It's all sourced, and relevant, there's no need to erase it! Alinblack (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Alinblack, Wikipedia is not here to collate all information into one specific place. The content on the Wiki is here for everyone to edit as they see fit, and removal of content is in actuality one of the best ways to improve an article. The section on who was approached is poorly sourced. The two references provided don't state anything about Björk or Maynard James Keenan, or who will appear on the next album. That information absolutely has to be removed per WP:BLP concerns. All together, there was nothing wrong with MDD4696's merge, it kept the most relevant information on this album and removed the poorly sourced content. --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk - Contribs) 02:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of which, an encyclopedia with no information is completely useless. Trivia sections are discouraged because they are inherently impertinent. As for WP:BLP, there is no contentious information in the article that I see, so remove-with-prejudice does not apply. Yes, the relevant information needs to be merged. This is a common-sense approach. But what's happening here are two editors determined to have their versions of the page stick. So here's the deal: start merging information and then decide if the other information is worth keeping and where to put it (i.e. not in a trivia section). All-or-nothing bickering won't solve anything. I understand that you like putting a big edit in and changing an article for the better, but little by little makes things so much more precise. Move obviously-relevant information first and then work on the rest. Deletionism improves Wikipedia as much as information-hoarding does. --Anon 81.51.234.87 (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: First of all the information about artists approached was originally from an issue of Kerrang! magazine... and wikipedia only sources from web pages, not physical ones. The information was originally sourced from an interview with the band, but wasn't published online, so the sources had been taken from where they could be found to authenticate the information. Removal of information isn't 'the best way' to improve an article. As long as the information is accurate and is in relative to the article in question then it's up to the individual to decide. Removing inaccurate or fictional information, or even blatant vandalism improves and article is fine. The part about artists approached gives an insite into the history of the recording of the album, such as the track that was recorded with the vocalist of Gojira... it was dropped from the album because the and were unhappy about it in the end. It shows the development of the album, rather than just the finished product. Alinblack (talk) 18:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia accepts physical references, I'm not sure why you think otherwise. See WP:CIT for the different templates, magazine fall under periodicals. You find the right issue # and all that, there's no problem. --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk - Contribs) 19:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately I no longer have the magazine with the article. It was before I started adding to wikipedia, otherwise I'd have saved it, which is why I scoured the web for sources to source the material. And the reason I thought digital sources were allowed only, was because I'd updated an article and it kept gettin removed as I'd again taken the information from a magazine, but was told by the user that kept removing it that Wiki only accepted verified web sources.Alinblack (talk) 20:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Said user apparently hasn't read WP:V. Print sources are perfectly fine (and are more often considered good sources than web sources because of WP:V). --Anon 81.51.234.87 (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Much Trivia 

message: Just wondering if anyone deems it worth mentioning that Richard Z. Kruspe played guitars for Helden?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zombietakeover4 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helden