Talk:Video CD

message: In China there exist many articles that the company Wanyan produced the world first VCD player (and that they also invented the technology).
company name: 万燕 ('wanyan' in pinyin)
http://www.chinanews.com.cn/zhonghuawenzhai/2003-04-30/new/27.htm
For reference, see "China, Inc.: How the Rise of the Next Superpower Challenges America and the World" by Ted C. Fishman, pp. 195-196. 
The question is, should this be included in the wikipedia. 151.201.132.210 09:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That isn't remotely accurate.  Sony and Philips developed the format for the most part, and I doubt any Chinese company had anything to do with it.  They might have had something to do with the (much later) SVCD format developed in China, but that's an entirely separate article.  Rcooley (talk) 04:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I came across an English webpage which sounds similar.  http://china.org.cn/english/BAT/108383.htm  Though it is poorly worded, they seem to be suggesting that Wanyan was the first domestic Chinese company to produce a VCD player. Rcooley (talk) 10:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wanyan 

message: Section "Such incompatibility is a major problem that prevents consumers from distributing their home-made VCDs as their video Christmas greetings.":
This implies that consumers have a standard practice of distibuting video christmas greetings.  Is there somewhere that this is the case? -- cbr 17:56, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christmas greetings 

message: What was the name for the "Video CDs" that had about the size of an LP? Eptalon
You might be asking about the CED (Capacitance Electronic Disc) which is the size of LP.  Late 1970s, early 1980s technology.  Look here: http://www.links.net/dox/flix/ced/
: Another good site is CED Magic, which is fascinating; and there was also MCA DiscoVision, a precursor of Laserdisc, which was terribly buggy. -Ashley Pomeroy 21:33, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty sure you're talking about Laserdisc.  We had players in schools during the 90s, before DVD was widespread.  Hornpipe2 (talk) 19:07, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, and they were very widely touted for education. Jeh (talk) 20:55, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Disc 

message: Is there any way to have a CD burner that burns CD+R discs to have them be compatible with VCD players? --SuperDude 21:13, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not possible because there is no such thing as a CD+R. 86.176.35.147 (talk) 16:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  CD+R CDs 

message: The adoption section makes some assertions about VCD availability in the U.S. that are opinion and not NPOV. While I don't disagree with some of the statements personally they are still opinion. Claiming VCD's should have replaced VHS tapes is opinion and should be attributed or removed. Also the statements on the U.S. film industry's response to VCD's comes across as somewhat biased against them. I also the section seems to blame the U.S. studios as the sole reason VCD never caught on in the U.S. without presenting the alternative view that the downsides of VCDs such the need to put most films on more then one VCD may have played a role in its lack of use in the U.S.  We need to cite statements by the movie industry or articles for the claim copy protection was the main reason for studios not supporting VCD. --Cab88 21:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Adoption" section NPOV issues 

message: :They are much cheaper than DVDs. The DVD of a film may cost anywhere from three to nine times as much as the VCD. On the other hand, VCDs do not come with the bonus features like that of DVDs, such as choice of language, (removable) subtitles, chapters, deleted scenes, theatrical and television previews, interviews, outtakes and production notes.
While DVDs are more expensive then VCDs, I'm not particularly sure whether this 3-9x is very reliable. I don't think it's that much unless your comparing pirated VCDs to pirated DVDs. Of course this may very well be a valid comparison but I think it should be made clear Nil Einne 10:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Point taken. I meant that most places sell DVDs for $10-$20 even though the MSRP is often around $30. Though places like Dollar Tree, Dollar General, 5 and Dime, et al sell them as low as $2--Lostinlodos 19:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsure about this 

message: I can't help but thinking that this article sounds a bit like a review. Although keeping a NPOV it looks as if someone has "published" a review. Aaronsingh 15:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sounds Like a review 

message: Can someone familiar with the subject do a rewrite in clear English?  This reads as pseudo-translated gibberish.  The inclusion of at least one german word makes me think that some editor tried using an auto-translator without checking for readability. Alvis 04:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Broken-english to English translation: Done.  I couldn't understand quite what point the author was trying to get across several times, so reviews are welcome.  It's readable now, and factually accurate in any case.  I don't vouch for the 2-3 paragraphs of info on origination and adoption of the XVCD formats, but I'm not absolutely sure they're wrong either (seems quite likely), so I just translated for readability and refrained from my desire to remove them.  It could use some more clean-up, as lots of the info was redundant and some was just haphazardly slapped on, and I'm sure I didn't remove it all. Rcooley (talk) 03:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've finished completely cleaning-up the article now.  Removed any broken English, irrelevant trivia, or potentially incorrect info. Rcooley (talk) 00:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: I just finished reading all three of these articles, and they all read identical to one another.  The only real difference is the resolutions.  Perhaps it would be worthwhile to merge all three articles into just one.  (Similar to how Betamax, Super Betamax, and ED Beta are merged into one.)  -  Theaveng 18:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The SVCD and CVD articles are rather similar to each other, but both are completely different than the VCD article, from beginning to end.  Rcooley (talk) 04:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: This is the Video CD talk page.  Discussions about merging CVD and SVCD don't belong here.  Any comments about the proposed merger should be on the CVD talk page.  Just click the "Discuss" link in the Merge Proposal box at the top of either the CVD or SVCD article. Rcooley (talk) 18:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Video CD, Super Video CD, and China Video Disc?  

message: Finding sources about VCD on the internet is like pulling teeth.  It's quite unpopular in the US, and most popular in lower-income countries (with the least access to the 'net).  It is a recent technology, yet just old enough that the most major events happen to pre-date widespread internet access ('93/'94).  It's the perfect formula for a major technology which would simply be considered a non-notable phantom, per Wikipedia policy.  Still, thoroughly scraping the net for sources seems to have turned up just enough necessary background. 
The only citations I really couldn't find are confirmation (other than ESSTech press releases) of VCD's growing popularity, circa 2004, and perhaps some US movie studios openly refusing to support VCD, circa 1993.  Other than that, the article's now got as many citations as anyone could want, and is as well-written of an article as any.  I'm largely finished editing (rewriting?) the article, and would like to encourage others to add in anything I may have missed.
Since it seems like a waste to throw away perfectly good citations that took so long to find, here's a big flat list of a few sources about VCD, DVD (and one EVD) I didn't find a use for, for anyone that might want it:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/businessline/2003/06/16/stories/2003061600700500.htm
http://www.cdrinfo.com/sections/news/Details.aspx?NewsId=1432
http://www.mochamedia.com/OldSite/dvd.htm
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20020524S0091
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/11/content_423859.htm
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2002/03/51135
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7024536.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2840479.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1678473.stm
http://www.miqrogroove.com/writing/history-of-dvd/
http://www.tnttrader.com/History%20of%20the%20DVD%202.htm
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/bchafy/cdb/info/vcd.html
http://www.km.philips.com/laseroptics/techno/books/main.htm
http://www.esstech.com/products/consumer/consumer_av.shtm
http://www.esstech.com/IR/PR_2000/10-18-00.pdf
http://www.esstech.com/IR/PR_1997/02-21-97.pdf
http://www.esstech.com/IR/Pr_2003/01_29_03.pdf
http://www.esstech.com/IR/Pr_2003/08_18_03.pdf
http://www.esstech.com/IR/Archive_PDF/03bus.pdf  
Rcooley (talk 20:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  My citations and edits 

message: 202.7.183.131 said "This source, a trade journal, reports an 11% drop in VCD software spending in 2003: .  I accept the Screen digest article as a good source, but a couple comments. The article does say "For the first time the number of DVD software units shipped by international distributors was more than the combined total of VHS and VCD shipments, up almost 62 per cent to 662m, compared with the previous year. By comparison, VHS and VCD shipments to international retailers continued downward in 2003 falling a further 32 per cent (256m) and 11 per cent (284m) respectively." But this addresses only a software component.  Regarding market penetration and installation of VCD hardware units in the Asia Pacific - "Video hardware adoption is somewhat different in the Asia-Pacific. Our analysis of the Asia-Pacific market covers three 'mature markets'--Australia, New Zealand and Japan--and 11 'emerging markets' China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand.Unique to the Asia-Pacific (excluding the mature markets) is the VCD player. Launched in 1994, the VCD player accounted for around 15 per cent of the world's video hardware installed base at the end of 2003. The number of VCD players installed in homes across the Asia-Pacific grew by just over two per cent to 95m in 2003, whilst penetration of the VCD player in the region remained stable at 16 per cent of television households over the same period." I think it's fair to say VCD installed userbase the Asia Pacific maintained in 2003, with a small percentage increase. I think we've established there was growth in 2003. As I've said, it is now 2008 - and I have yet to see or find any source that supports the claim that VCD use is still on the rise. Or more specifically that "Overall, the popularity of VCD is actually increasing." AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 18:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Section Break

message: Pulling together some additional sources for the article. Please add to the list.
Historical:
* New York Times article 1993 
Recent articles:
So far what I've found are passing references to Video CD, they do not explicitly establish any growth in use. The more stand reinforce ubiquity of the format in certain regions.  
* International Herald Tribune article, passing mention of Thai PM distributing a message on Video CDs - , more on that  
* A passing reference to Video CD as medium to submit video evidence, 2008. 
* Press release from "The Radio and TV Advertising Practitioners Association of India" Awards 2007. Submissions were being accepted on Video CD  
AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 13:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Sources 

message: It's not clear what the latest round of fact/cn tags refer to.  The two in question are in the XVCD section, at the end of a couple sentences/paragraphs about VBR.   Are the tags to request proof that XVCDs usually use VBR, or a more fundamental question, about how VBR works, and/or it's advantages over CBR?  Or perhaps something else entirely? Rcooley (talk) 15:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation needed for recent fact/cn Tags 

message: The description of DVCD links to overburn but overburn redirects to dvd authoring. Please make it link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overburn#Overburning  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.42.189 (talk) 04:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overburn link 

message: I live in Sweden (northern Europe), and I must say that, until I noticed that VCDs were on sale in various Asian countries, I had no idea that there is such things as stand-alone VCD players and official VCDs. I'm fairly well traveled by Swedish standards; I've been in over 30 countries on 3 continents. However, the majority of them are European countries, and I've never noticed anything hinting that the VCD technology has been widespread or popular, or even existent. And I would know; one of the things we did back in the days before broadband connections were common was buying movies on VHS that had yet to be released in Sweden. Yet in this article it is written that VCD is/was common in Europe? The source listed is a Q&A section in the New York Times, where Europe is briefly mentioned. Nothing bad about Times, but... This wouldn't really be the first time an American source says "this obsolete technology is used somewhere way over there in Europe/Asia, but not here". Are there any more reliable (that is, European) sources for this? --Konaya (talk) 13:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm from Europe and have worked in the Consumer Electronics industry (dealing with such formats and products as VCD and DVD) in Europe as well as Singapore and although I have no sources at hand to back this up I can confirm from  first-hand experience that VCD has not been successful in Europe. It's installed base has been heavily skewed to Asia. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 19:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it's more of a 'terms' issue than a factual issue. It was (and to a lesser extent, still is) popular in the former Soviet nations. Which some international organizations consider to be Europe and some consider to be Asia. No? Lostinlodos (talk) 22:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  VCDs adoption in Europe 

message: The article says:
KVCD (K Video Compression Dynamics) is a XVCD variant that requires the use of a proprietary quantization matrix, available for non-commercial use. KVCD is notable because the specification recommends a non-standard resolution of 528x480 or 528x576. KVCD discs encoded at this resolution are only playable by computers with CD-ROM drives, and a small number of DVD players.
FWIW, quantization matrices are NOT a "copyrightable" thing; the inventor of the name KVCD claims otherwise, but that's irrelevant.
Also, the quantity of standalone DVD-players that support non-standard video resolutions is far greater than the "few" models documented in Europe and in North America; for example, the list available at KVCD.net does not mention any model from LG, which makes it an unreliable source. --- KSM-2501ZX, IP address:= 200.100.222.98 (talk) 21:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect information! 

message: The most recent referenced material dates from 2008 regarding Burma but the vast majority of the information with regarding usage and tends dates form earlier and is likely hopelessly out of date. 
Even when the format war was raging $1 DVD was common and now that Blu-ray has emerged DVD is in freefall: a 100 blank CD is $16.99 on amazon while 100 blank 16X DVDs are $19.99.  Certainly this price drop much have some effect on VCD in the Asian markets.--BruceGrubb (talk) 09:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet you can purchase brand new, just manufactured VCDs/SVCDs from Celestial, Tartan, HKD, et al. In downfall and limited interest don't equate to disappearance or obsolescence. They're still popular with their target audience. Lostinlodos (talk) 19:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You can supposedly still buy "new" Laserdisk players (Pioneer Japan still offers a DVD/LD combo player for example) so you can argue that the Laserdisk is "still popular with their target audience" as is the Dreamcast (because people still make games for it and Saga itself was still selling units as late as 2006).  But the target audience in those examples is a very small nitch hobby market not a general consumer market.  Also remember that some of those Celestial, Tartan, HKD, et al players are actually DVD/VCD or even DVD/VCD/CD/MP3 players. I don't see this as an argument against what is logically going on in 2010.--BruceGrubb (talk) 13:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Harry Potter and The Order Of The Phoenix was the last LD that I'm aware of that came out, so did all 6 Star Wars Films, and all but the most recent Star Trek movies. But that's besides the point.  Those "players" I mentioned are NOT players, they're film distributors, with current, recent films coming out. Celestial is one of the largest pan-Asian releasing companies, owning the rights to the vast majority of the Shaw library. With that example, they didn't START releasing Shaw films until 1998, and the most recent VCDs from them came out in November 2009, Return to the 36th Chamber, and Amorous Lotus Pan.  Tartan just re-released the remastered Vengeance Trilogy on 9 SVCDs in February 2010. Their releasing schedule for VCD is not nearly as broad as for DVD and CH-DVD but they've averaged 12+ per year since 2002 HKD has released Forbidden Kingdom and Jade Rickshaw Assassins most recently, both in January. Just for a start on current support.  Limited; localized, even selective all fit, but niche doesn't. Lostinlodos (talk) 22:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to remember that that the whole High definition optical disc format war didn't formally end until 2008 keeping DVD in the limelight as the "standard" high quality format (and therefore still demanding a premium in many markets).  Also given how prevalent VCD players were recently it only makes sense that companies would still make things in that format.  Remember that the statement was that VCD was growing.  A 2001 article called "Low DVD Prices to Drive up Unit Sales" had DVD players projected to hit 800 yuan (US$97) in October of that year.  "Experts estimate the DVD player market will become a 100 billion yuan (US$12 billion) industry in China by 2003.  [...] The total output value for all of China's VCD manufacturers is now only about 20 billion yuan (US$2.4 billion)."  Also the 2004 "ESS product to vie with VCD players" article (the latest one cited on VCD growing) stated "Currently, a VCD player costs 200 to 300 yuan (US$24.20 to US$36.20) in China."  but a DVD player in the US goes for as low as $26 in 2010.  Given all this I really can't see the VCD market growing as is implied by the article as it stands.--BruceGrubb (talk) 08:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

text: This is really pointless...  Why waste your time here, stating the obvious?  If you have newer sources, or can find some, please do!  If you don't or can't, put the tag at the top of the article and HOPE somebody will eventually fix it for you.  Without sources, we don't actually know if VCD has declined or increased around the world, and if so, what the concrete figures are.  We've gone over this before, back when the citations were only a bit out-of-date, and it was a miserable waste of time for all involved, which simply resulted in it getting more out of date as I got tired of the WP conflicts and idiotic policies, and stopped all work on it all together. Rcooley (talk) 00:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information is horribly out of date 

message: The information is outdated and definitely needs major editing.
See more video cd at American Recordable Media  
Jvwhite456 (talk) 11:29, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You just linked to a sales site. If there is some kind of relevant material there please link directly.Lostinlodos (talk) 19:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated 

message: Perhaps not so technical as to be as unintelligible to the avg reader as some might wish, to someone who is quite familiar with VCDs and how they've been used, I find it quite a good article, and refreshingly so.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.247.45 (talk) 16:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  actually it's quite a good article 

message: When you put a VCD in you computer, what are the video files called?
.mpg, .avi, etc. ?
71.58.198.190 (talk) 03:47, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They are .DAT files, but contain mpeg format data. 109.152.148.89 (talk) 16:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What kind of file? 

message: It should be noted that most of the consoles listed as being able to play VCDs can't, specifically the PlayStation. There is only one model of PlayStation that can play VCDs natively, the rest require an addon. The PlayStation 2 and Xbox can't play them at all. The Dreamcast requires third party software. It should be noted though that the 3DO can play VCDs with the MPEG decoder addon, much like the original PlayStation. 
Source on PS2: http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=004ABz
For Xbox: http://www.emutalk.net/archive/index.php/t-10412.html (Does mention 3rd party software.)Kasm279 (talk) 04:59, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  VCDs and Consoles 

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message: The history section states "VCD enjoyed a brief period of success..." and while this might be true in North America and Europe, it is not true in Asia. Everything I have read says that it enjoyed immense popularity in Asia, partly due to the more robust nature of the VCD players (vs VHS) in Asian tropical climates and pertly due to the inexpensiveness of VCD Players and discs vs VHS or even the later DVD format. While it's true that Hollywood studios largely refused to release movies on the format, especially outside of Asia, due to it's unencrypted nature, there where licensed/legal movies and TV shows released on the format in Asian countries, especially local Asian productions made by local studios and TV networks. There was also an extensive library of pirated content made available via VCD So while it's may very well be true that "the introduction of CD-R disc and associated recorders stopped the release of feature films in their tracks", that's only really true AFAIK for Hollywood films/TV shows and only for legally licensed/distributed content. CD Burners/CD-R's likely helped the market for pirated VCD movies/TV Shows. We really need to seek out reliable sources, whether in English or in Chinese/Japanese/Korean, Vietnamese, etc. as to the history of the VCD in Asian Countries vs North America and Europe. I believe several key statements made in the history section about VCD adoption/lack there of can be verified and thus should remain but they need to be reworded to clarify they apply only to North America and European markets, not Asia. A statement at the end of the section does state that "VCDs made considerable inroads into developing nations" but this contradicted in a previous paragraph that implies they did not. Remember that even if you disagree with the proliferation of pirated content on VCD, if such content is easily available and popular in a country then the format is popular even if it's not popular for distributing legal content in those same countries. --Notcharliechaplin (talk) 00:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual issues with history section 

message: There is a list of VCD playback software, but can we get a list of VCD burning software?  A lot of CD and DVD burning applications do not support burning VCDs.  Nicole Sharp (talk) 05:45, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of VCD burner software