Talk:History of Monopoly/Archive 2

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Please add new archivals to Talk:History of the board game Monopoly/Archive03. Thank you. --JohnDBuell (talk) 03:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

message: I quote it here: "Other cities, territories, states and countries, and licensed properties have also become variants and editions of Monopoly." What exactly does this intend to say? Cities and territories cannot literally become editions of Monopoly; they can become the basis for an edition. If that's all that's meant by this sentence, it's redundant with the previous sentence and should be deleted. Otherwise, it should be rewritten. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Edonovan (talk • contribs).
:Agreed - I've removed the sentence and changed 'cities' to 'locations' in the previous one to cover any versions not based on a single city. Barnabypage 13:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence in question was NOT part of the FA version of the article (and yes it only introduced redundancy and confusion), so sincere thank yous to Barnabypage for removing it. --JohnDBuell 16:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Last sentence of introductory section is unclear

message: As there are five votes each for keeping the current title and moving it to History of Monopoly (game), I'm going to ask for one more round of voting, and try to establish a consensus. If we either leave the title or move it, I can foresee an edit war due to the lack of consensus under one proposal or the other. So, please, cast a support vote for either of the two proposals underneath. Reasoning for either has been given (see the Talk archive), but if anyone has anything constructive to add, please feel free to do so below. --JohnDBuell 19:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion is in the archive and essentially concluded it would be too similar to History of monopoly - an article on business. Trebor 23:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I don't think that's necessary on technical or other grounds, but I didn't participate in that discussion. :) I added a disambiguation link to the top of History of monopoly, since I suspect many people will search for that and get lost looking for this article. — Saxifrage ✎ 20:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title "run-off"

message: #Support --JohnDBuell 19:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep the current title

message: #Support — Pēters J. Vecrumba 15:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Change title to "History of Monopoly (game)"

message: Per Wikipedia:Disambiguation, the parenthetical description is used only when there is a conflict with another page or when context is necessary. Moving it to History of Monopoly (game) is unnecessary. Arguing that the article on the game is Monopoly (game) and so this should refer to "Monopoly (game)" misses the point of what disambiguation means. It doesn't change the title of the subject, it's just a technical convention to deal with the technical problem of being unable to have two different articles at the same page name. (Different software can do this, but the way Wikipedia is set up we can't.)
Incidentally, is there any reason the article is not at History of Monopoly? The "the board game" part of the title seems superfulous. — Saxifrage ✎ 23:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion is in the archive and essentially concluded it would be too similar to History of monopoly - an article on business. Trebor 23:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I don't think that's necessary on technical or other grounds, but I didn't participate in that discussion. :) I added a disambiguation link to the top of History of monopoly, since I suspect many people will search for that and get lost looking for this article. — Saxifrage ✎ 20:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I think I got rid of them :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.148.84.73 (talk) 01:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Those pictures.... 

message: In the Further evolution of game play section, it mentions that the rules of Monopoly have remained rather stagnant over the years.  However, no mention is made in the article (even later when it mentions the variations on Monopoly) about the special rules that have been instituted in the newer variations of the game.  
For example, the Looney Tunes: Official Classic Cartoon Edition of Monopoly includes the following rule variation: doubles take on extra meanings, or "Looney Tunes effects." Extra tasks can be carried out depending on the value of the dice roll (double ones, double twos, etc.).  --Tim4christ17 talk 01:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That actually is in the text and has been for some time: "When creating some of the modern licensed editions, such as the Looney Tunes and The Powerpuff Girls editions of Monopoly, Hasbro included special variant rules to be played in the theme of the licensed property." --JohnDBuell 01:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[History of the board game Monopoly#Further evolution of game play|Further evolution of game play]]

message: Im concerned about the images on the top of the page.  I can't seem to remove them, and I am concerned that leaving up the page will do damage to WIkipedia's reputation.  Until it can be fixed I think it should be taken down.  Bok269 02:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Replacing images, image links and other such nonsense are common tactics of vandals. This hasn't been the first page to have been so affected and it will not be the last, either. Action should only be taken to revert changes of images, and blocking on the most disruptive users, as is done already. --JohnDBuell 02:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I got it fixed. Apparently the guy named the image to something along the lines of monopoly, in order to prevent people from finding it easier. --Jazz Remington 20:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Someone put a disturbing image up on the top of this page and I don't know how to edit it because i don't use wikipedia much for editing and stuff but i feel itshould be known.thanks. 204.194.98.16 20:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: This article is fantastic. Sincerest compliments to all who worked on it. Paul 06:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The property passes to the new owner encumbered by the mortgage. From the rules: "the owner may sell [a] mortgaged property to another player at any agreed price. If you are the new owner, you may lift the mortgage at once if you wish by paying off the mortgage plus 10% interest to the Bank. If the mortgage is not lifted at once, you must pay the Bank 10% interest when you buy the property and if you lift the mortgage later you must pay the Bank an additional 10% interest as well as the amount of the mortgage." Barnabypage 15:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This also applies to mortgaged properties acquired through the bankruptcy of another player. Lets say I'm playing against someone who holds two of the railroads (amongst other properties). If they go bankrupt to me, and those two railroads are mortgaged, I either owe $20 immediately to the bank for acquiring the properties, and another $220 when I unmortgage them, or I could just pay $220 up front to the bank and unmortgage both of the railroads immediately. It all depends on how much cash you have on hand. --JohnDBuell 16:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My two cents 

message: User:MrBeast objected to the length of the introduction and moved a paragraph. However, that paragraph should have been rewritten to flow into the text where it was pasted, as it "felt out of place." But I wanted to point out that a three paragraph lead for an article of this length is the commonly accepted guideline. See WP:LEAD - under Length, it actually says that three-four paragraphs would be acceptable (though in practice, most editors prefer three paragraphs when the article is in Peer Review and becomes a Featured Article Candidate). So, I'm simply stating that I disagree, and there's my reason why. --JohnDBuell 18:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of introduction 

message: The opening line opines that the game can be traced back to the early 1800s, but nothing (I've found) in the article substantiates that claim. We hear of Anspach and much of the early history of the game was "rediscovered" but we don't get to hear any solid history before 1903. Not good. --Tagishsimon (talk)
:1900s. The game did NOT exist in any recognizable form before 1903. Whomever changed it was simply being a vandal. --JohnDBuell 21:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Traced back to the early 1800s?

message: McDonalds has introduced Monopoly promotion games, which is played online with game pieces obtained from specific purchases.  It would be interesting to see indepth information about that included in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Normannen (talk • contribs).
:The history from 2001-present is covered in McDonald's Monopoly but nothing (yet) on the 1980s/1990s versions of the promotion. The McDonald's version of the game started with stamps that had to be licked and stuck to the playing board. Recent versions use self-adhesive stickers. --JohnDBuell 04:12, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: McDonald's Monopoly promotions

message: For what it's worth, I'm currently producing and directing a documentary about the game of MONOPOLY titled "Under the Boardwalk." It will provide a comprehensive and accurate look at the history of the game and I hope it will become a source for this page in the future. We are aiming for a theatrical release in 2010.  More info about it can be found at MonopolyDocumentary.com. We have already filmed interviews with Phil Orbanes, Randolph P. Barton (grandson of George S. Parker & former Pres. of Parker Brothers), Lee Bayrd (1st World Champ), Matt McNally (Defending US Champ), Leon Vandendooren (Defending US Champ), and are scheduled to also film with Jason Bunn (1985 World Champ), Antonio Zafra Fernandez (2004 World Champ), and many more. Tostie14 (talk) 01:40, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. The years of development from Magie's idea to Parker Brother's acquisition between 1904 and 1935 are particularly fascinating to Wikipedians since they parallel the way that Wikipedia has developed. It'll be interesting to see how you handle it. -- Derek Ross | Talk 05:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Monopoly as it is currently published was first sold in 1935 by Parker Brothers. They likely would have the manufacturer/distributor for Canada as well. Tostie14 (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monopoly Documentary 

message: Through my research, I am finding dates (more than just the years) for several of the US & World MONOPOLY Championships, such as the final day of the 2004 World Championship was on October 9th, 2004. Is this worth adding to the page where I have the info? Tostie14 (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can add dates and locations for any of the listed tournaments, that'd be useful. Also, does anyone know if we can combine the US/Canada/World tournaments (and we better add UK ones before someone has a snit ;) into one table? Or add a Hide/Show link to each table? --JohnDBuell (talk) 20:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Championship Dates 

message: Anspach cannot be viewed as a reliable source the book is self published  and he has a strong prejudice. While sources should have a POV they shouldn't have a vested interest in facts.Tetron76 (talk) 17:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So I presume that you think we should also remove anything published by Hasbro or with their support since they too have a strong vested interest. Unconfirmed accounts from people with a vested interest should naturally be treated with caution. However Anspach's material is just as straightforward to check as Hasbro's. The court proceedings are available online. Remember that Wikipedia provides NPOV by reporting the viewpoint of both sides in a dispute. In this case that means Hasbro's point of view and Anspach's. And what could be a more reliable source of Anspach's POV than a book which he has self-published? For this reason your citation needed tags are pointless and should be removed. -- Derek Ross | Talk 23:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially considering that certain things aren't really up for dispute: Anspach's appearance on TV, one reference was flagged as 'citation needed' but the same comment was confirmed by a second citation, already listed, by Tim Walsh, and a third one was flagged that had nothing to do with Anspach at all. I'm with Derek on this one, even though the book is more or less self published, he does acknowledge his contributors, and I find the book to be a valid source. --JohnDBuell (talk) 00:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and a fourth, verified by Orbanes. And not like he didn't/doesn't have a vested interest, having been a Parker Brothers VP, President of Winning Moves, which licenses games from Hasbro, and is still the Chief Judge at Monopoly tournaments. I'm sorry, but this argument is bunk. --JohnDBuell (talk) 00:52, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If Orbanes confirms something then there is an available reliable source and Orbanes should be the citation but self-published books are clearly excluded by wikipedia policy as non-RS and in this case it is not even a primary source. This is not about whether he is right or wrong but whether it counts as a source.Tetron76 (talk) 11:16, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I might have accidently over tagged citations needed but it seemed less contraversial than stripping out every Anspach book reference. But a book that the author states that no one would publish because they were worried about being sued has to count as original research if used.Tetron76 (talk) 11:24, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliable sources

message: I would like to clean-up the structure of this page but because a large number of small changes are needed I was worried that this would become contraversial.
The opening sentence should be something along the lines of:
The game of Monopoly was first published in... although its origins can be traced back to...
The reasoning for this is that for the history of any game is when does a game count as a particular game. For Monopoly while the earlier connections are unquestionable there are definite differences to the pre-cursors and Monopoly itself so it would be best to stick to the most precise definition.
Following on from this there should be a sections :
*Origins of the game (Starting perhaps with the uncovering of the origins)
**Pre-cursors to monopoly (probably a better word than pre-cursor)
*Editions
*Legal actions
**trademark legislation
*competitions
*related products
The difference is that there is duplication of material and the blurring of issues has lead to one or two points that are not relevant to the article. I think that it is probably the case that there needs to be some other articles to allow Monopoly and its history to be streamlined.Tetron76 (talk) 15:13, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Restructure

message: Update (Please change as you see fit, I'm only providing the information as you've got OUTDATED AND INCORRECT INFORMATION AS TO WHO OWNS MONOPOLY!!!!!!!):
Because of the lengthy court process and appeals, the legal status of Parker Brothers' trademarks on the game was not settled until the late 1970s. Ralph Anspach won a lawsuit over his game Anti-Monopoly on appeals in 1979, as the 9th District Court determined that the trademark Monopoly was generic, and therefore unenforceable. 
Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125599860004295449.html
Also see: http://www.antimonopoly.com/original_boardgame.html
:The above comment was originally posted in the article by an anonymous editor. I have moved it here where it is more appropriate. -- Derek Ross | Talk 21:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ownership of Monopoly

message: Suggestion has been made to move the single table here and add other tournaments as new columns, and restore the multiple tables in the main article, but collapsible. --JohnDBuell (talk) 00:42, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monopoly Championships - single table 

message: The rules booklet for Winning Moves' Monopoly Card Game from 2000 advertises a calculator that could be used during regular Monopoly game play. It was apparently also a Winning Moves product that helped with some game calculations and doubled as a regular calculator. Should it be included as a licensed product? Anybody have a pic we can use? --JohnDBuell (talk) 14:32, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monopoly calculator 

message: Anyone have a launch date for the smartphone app version of this game? I got a copy of the board game version over the weekend at Target - was this a pre-Christmas release (like Cityville Monopoly)? --JohnDBuell (talk) 15:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: BoardGameGeek is listing 2013, so that's the date I'm going with. --JohnDBuell (talk) 20:12, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monopoly Hotels? 

message: Anyone have any idea what happened to this edition? It was given a debut at the 2011 New York Toy Fair and supposed to come out that autumn. There are photos of it everywhere if you use Google Image Search, and an ad/video or two, but no actual games?! --JohnDBuell (talk) 00:00, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Collector and World of Monopoly website editor Matthew Horton has told me that he is aware of people owning copies of this game, and is trying to get more details. --JohnDBuell (talk) 20:07, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He got pictures from a collector, I think in Australia, so I'm going to wait until he posts them to link to the release, though I can quote the February 2011 press releases still on the web. I'd really like to know why this one seemed to only be released in Australasia.... --JohnDBuell (talk) 23:47, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monopoly Live? 

message: "In 1989, the first of many video game and computer game editions was published" is untrue. The first official computer versions were released in 1985 (here's a 1985 review, if you need proof of the date), while the unauthorised (but identical) Automonopoli was released in 1983. Mogism (talk) 16:22, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  First video game 

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message: The original parts box is described as black, but the photo shows it as blue. I have one right in front of me, and it is definitely blue. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
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