Talk:Indo-European people

message: I do not want to exclude the possiblilty of statements like "The Greeks are Indo-Europeans". However, this smacks of identification of "The Greeks" with some Bronze Age people, and such a statement is most likely to be found in texts with a racial pov. The statement is more likely to be phrased as "The Greeks are speakers of an Indo-European language" or something similar, emphasizing its linguistic nature. dab (ᛏ) 12:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Gruezi, lorn10 !
Thanks for your comments on the Indo-Europeans article.
If you wish to have the article discuss non-linguistic matters, we'll need to re-cast the woefully inadequate opening definition-sentence, which currently reads: "Indo-Europeans are speakers of Indo-European languages". I don't wish to do this myself: I have it in mind that millions of people from Asia and the Americas and Africa now speak/write using members of the Indo-European language family without that making them racially or culturally "Indo-European". I presume that the processes of migration and cultural overlaying operated too wherever the original Indo-European-speakers first formed into recognisable groupings.
As for the phrase "The term [Indo-Europeans] may apply to ... Proto-Indo-Europens", you have no dispute with me, but possibly with whoever wrote the former version of the text: "The term is used to apply to ... Proto-Indo-Europeans". -- If that usage exists, then fine: let's explain the usage (and its paradoxical and incorrect nature) in the article. If the usage does not exist, then likewise, fix the article by eliminating the false claim. (I did not intend to change the meaning that I found in my last edit.)
 - Pedant17 02:38, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the usage is not paradoxical at all, considering that Proto- translates Ur-. In set theoretical terms, the Proto-IEs are a subset of the set of IEs, by definition, in temporal order of the set, a coherent subset including the set's minimal element. dab (ᛏ) 15:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage and scope of the term "Indo-Europeans"

message: was added by  on 2 June. Thanks for reverting. dab (ᛏ) 15:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lorn10, the point of a disambiguation page is not to link to every article that mentions the topic in question. It is reasonable to mention Indo-Europeans in an article on "white people", but it hardly stands to reason that someone looking at Indo-European people is really looking for the article on white people in general. You could, otherwise, also link to mammal, arguing that obviously all Indo-Europeans are in fact mammals. dab (ᛏ) 10:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I apologize for the "nonsense" bit. See also Wikipedia:Disambiguation. dab (ᛏ) 10:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: the racial nonsense

message: This page gives links to just two possible uses, and the substantive information on the page outweighs the disambiguation info. It doesn't need to be a dab. -- Hongooi 08:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it needs to be a dab because otherwise it would be a 100% WP:CFORK. I admit the solution is not satisfactory. Perhaps we need an Indo-European (term) and redirect there. dab (𒁳) 13:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doesn't need to be a dab 

message: This page is a redirect to Proto-Indo-Europeans.  I've started a discussion about this on Talk:Proto-Indo-Europeans. --Fama Clamosa (talk) 11:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect to Proto-Indo-Europeans