Talk:Sleigh Ride

message: I've removed the following entry by user:208.64.220.94 from the trivia section, as it is out of style:
:An early memory is that this catchy melody was a "Mystery Tune"(?) on the radio show "Stop the Music," with host Bert Parks.  It was the longest-running mystery tune of the show by the time it was finally identified.  Please elaborate and correct if you can.
--Niels Ø (noe) 15:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: I removed the lyrics section of this article due to the fact that their inclusion was probably a copyright violation which could lead to action against Wikipedia. Copyrighted song lyrics published in the United States later than 1922 should not be extensively quoted in Wikipedia articles, unless it can be proven that they have become part of the public domain. See the reply to question 20 on the talk page of Wikipedia's copyright FAQs. If someone can provide a citation from a reliable source that the lyric of "Sleigh Ride" is now in the public domain, they can restore the section to the article. Whyaduck 05:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it's still being edit warred over. There's been no apparent response, here. For the sake of settling the argument, if nothing else, we need something conclusive on this talk page before including the lyrics. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for removing lyrics 

message: Why does Gwen Stefani recording this song in 2020 merit the only mention of a version of the song in the main intro when there are dozens of famous classics? Alexandermoir (talk) 22:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it summarizes the section about it, unlike the other versions that are in the border of being removed per WP:SONGCOVER. (CC) Tbhotch™ 23:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

text: I don't see how Stefani's cover is any more notable than these others. Certainly Ella Fitzgerald's version, for instance, is more notable than Stefani's. The Stefani section is full of details that are completely irrelevant to the song "Sleigh Ride", like the death of one of her producers, bands that certain collaborators are in, etc. Merely having a large word count doesn't make any of this notable. Even if Stefani's were more notable than others, why should it belong in the intro rather than in "Details"? Topdownjimmy (talk) 15:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I have never stated Stefani's version is more important than other covers of the song. Notable versions could and should be included in the article too, as long as they pass WP:SONGCOVER. Ella Fitzgerald's version meets these guidelines, so feel free to add information regarding her version to the article. Carbrera (talk) 16:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: My question is not whether Stefani's version should be included at all, but whether it belongs in the Lead Section, which I don't think it does. WP:MOSLEAD Topdownjimmy (talk) 18:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP:MOSLEAD, "the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable [and] published sources", and the bulk of the article's sources (approximately one-third) are used for Stefani's version of the song. At the article's current state, I believe the lead appropriately reflects the guidelines of MOSLEAD. Carbrera (talk) 20:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Stefani's recording of "Sleigh Ride" is not important to the subject of the song, regardless of the number of words devoted to it on this page. It is one recording among doubtless hundreds of recordings. It does not belong in the Lead. Topdownjimmy (talk) 01:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. My argument has never been that Stefani's version deserves a mention in the lead because "of the number of words devoted to it". That's not what I'm saying at all. My argument involves what information in the article is reliably and adequately sourced. A cover of the song shouldn't need to be bigger than the original to warrant inclusion in the lead. "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents" per MOSLEAD. The difference between Stefani's recording and the hundreds other you mention is that this one passes SONGCOVER. And because its in the article, it should be summarized in the lead. Carbrera (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gwen Stefani 

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