Talk:Bharat Ratna

message: the name of this page seems to spelled wrong. The name of India is Bharata. Only in Hindi and other north Indian languages is it Bharat. The official title should be Bharata. Can someone please change this?
: - Vivvt (Talk) 21:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It Shou 145.255.67.178 (talk) 13:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No 145.255.67.178 (talk) 13:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Title change

message: AB Vajpayee is not dead...... why is his name not in the living persons list.?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourdeadin (talk • contribs) 20:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vajpayee is not dead

message: "The original statutes of January 1954 did not make allowance for posthumous awards (and this perhaps explains why the decoration was never awarded to Mahatma Gandhi)"
this text about Gandhigi seems wrong. He is father of the nation. there is no need to explain why he has not got Bharat Ratna.
Ashishfa 13:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  inappropriate reason

message: Can we say what "Bharat Ratna" means, in English? I googled but couldn't find the answer. -- Singkong2005 05:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bharat = local name for India (in most native languages), ratna = Jewel. So, it can be loosely translated as "The Jewel of India". --Ragib 05:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...which is what the sentence at the end of the first paragraph says already. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:27, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning

message: Many people in the list have the prefix "Dr." added to them. I looked up a few of their articles but that didn't show clearly whether they have PhDs or not. Such honorifics are not common usage in Wikipedia articles. Also note that honorary doctorate holders cannot use the prefix "Dr." before their name. So, I hope someone will clear up the issue. Thanks. --Ragib 07:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: - Vivvt (Talk) 21:22, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr 

message: B C Roy was not a scientist.He was a famous physician.Then as the Chief Minister of newly formed West Bengal,played a great role in reconstructing this  state from  the post-partition shambles.
: - Vivvt (Talk) 21:22, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  B C Roy 

message: "Unlike knights, holders of the Bharat Ratna carry no special title "
Does India have the equivalent of knighthoods? If so, then this link would more sensibly go to an article about Indian "knights". Yendor1958 08:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knights 

message: It is better to create a new section 'Controversies' by extracting information on Subhas Chandra Bose and Abul Kalam Azad, from the History section. -- Sreejith Kumar (talk) 10:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: - Vivvt (Talk) 21:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies 

message: "The award is attached to a two-inch long ribbon, and was designed to be worn around the recipient's neck."   Surely the ribbon must be two inches WIDE rather than long?Neitz (talk) 21:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: - Vivvt (Talk) 21:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Ribbon

message: The birth place of Rajiv Gandhi is Maharashtra not Uttar Pradesh
Dhirajgurjar (talk) 12:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 2 February 2012 

message: "Please change Uttar Pradesh with Maharashtra because Rajiv Gandhi was born in Maharashtra (Bombay)
Dhirajgurjar (talk) 12:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 2 February 2012 

message: Doubt! Why do we have to mention in which state or country was the recepient born? How does that matter? Its mentioned on their respective pages. Should we delete that column? -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 12:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ministry of Home Affairs list of awardees gives a state or foreign country that was the residence or origin of the person awarded, I changed the page to reflect that list. Sadly, there have been edit wars in the past over the belonging of people to certain states and this list was changed to state where people where born, which is not relevant to this list at all, but we should be good if we instead stick to the official list. Hekerui (talk) 13:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay! The Official list doesnt clearly say what it exactly is. But the enteries say that its their Residence States/Countries. The current title of column "State" also doesnt make sense when you write Pakistan, SA, US and UK in it. Also the article says that only Khan and Mandela were non-Indians to win it. We are just confusing it for readers when we write US & UK in front of Shankar and Sen. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 13:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The "state" designation is the search criterion used by the ministry on their website so it was an obvious choice. You may underestimate the readers - they can understand that two Indians were awarded but several awardees have non-Indian places listed by looking at individual articles, which make clear where the person originated and lived. I think we either go with the official list or none - a custom-made list, done because we don't trust people to click on a link, would be ripe for endless argument. Hekerui (talk) 14:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The readers would read more and work out the logic and understand it. The problems are fans who want to edit it and make their own state noted there. (One such example is just above us). So either we clearly define what we write or not write at all. I propose to remove that column completely. It anyways has no connection whatsoever with the article. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 14:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I see the potential for bickering you mention and the column does not impart significant information about the award or information that can't be found in the accompanying articles anyway so it's redundant. I removed it. The list doesn't read worse for it. Hekerui (talk) 21:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born State/Country 

message: Please change the 'Last awardee(s)' from 'Bhimsen Joshi' to 'Sachin Tendulkar'
Anindya Bakshi (talk) 09:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to update 'Last awardee(s) ' 

message: My last request was incomplete.
Please update the 'Last awardee(s)' list as C. N. R. Rao and Sachin Tendulkar
Anindya Bakshi (talk) 09:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Rao & Tendulkar are not "awarded" yet. They are "declared to be awarded" but haven't received it yet. Hold till they actually receive it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to update 'Last awardee(s)' list 

message: Add Nobel laureate to descriptions of Amartya Sen, CV Raman.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.160.5 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 23 November 2013‎ (UTC)
: Not done:  is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. The protection on this page expired earlier today. --Stfg (talk) 18:36, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to update 'Last awardee(s) ' 

message: Do the "Controversies" and "Criticism" sections need to be distinct sections? It appears "Criticism" could be merged with "Controversies" Aumnamahashiva (talk) 17:10, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies and criticism sections - possible redundancy? 

message: See Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Padma_Vibhushan. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of precedence 

message: User:‎Arjayay,
You are saying these images are not from commons, but those are from En Wikipedia and are also used in other articles. What is the problem in using in this article? There are thousands of such images which are of similar types. Who is doing the clean up of that? Yogee23 (talk) 07:55, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Yogee23Images at Commons have a free-use license, so can be used as many times, and in as many articles, on as many language Wikipedias, as editors want/agree on.Images at en.Wikipedia are copyright, but are being used under a claim of fair-use, and only on the English Wikipedia.  This means they can only be used in accordance with a fair-use rationale, which almost always means they can only be used in the article on that specific subject.So, to pick an example, :File:Dr Zakir Hussain.jpg is, and can only be, used in the Zakir Husain (politician) article - see the free-use rationale on that images page, which includes the statement "Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement". We can add links to that article - as we have here - so people can easily get to the article and find the picture, but we cannot use any free-use images in a gallery - or even on this talk-page.People have tried to add additional fair-use rationales for additional uses, but free use rationales for use in a gallery are always struck out, so please don't try that. As for cleaning up the other duplicate uses, I do not think there are many. The articles that each image is used on, automatically appear near the bottom of the image page.  As far as I know, we have a Bot that checks these lists and highlights free-use images used in more than one article, so these can be investigated.Of course, the fact that someone may have broken copyright law by using an image without a fair-use rationale, is no reason whatsoever for another editor to break the law. - Arjayay (talk) 08:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images in article 

message: While I've not looked into the edits per se, I object to being rollbacked as though it was vandalism, see WP:NOTVAND. I'm posting this to encourage a discussion. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:42, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The content with the exact same source is already present in the article in the "Critisism" section that Nehru and Gandhi nominated themselves and Prasad and Giri granting the award. The lead mentions Nehru-Gandhi and not Prasad-Giri because as per the rules, PM needs to nominate a person for the President to approve. - Vivvt (Talk) 10:06, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Why must the the introduction of the page mention something as a criticism when it is anything but that? To criticize Nehru for nominating himself is not a criticism but lack of knowledge. PM Nehru did not nominate himself but was nominated by the President (who took an unconstitutional initiative in nominating him). Besides the   source that is mentioned in the "Criticism" section being a secondary source, I'm mentioning primary sourcesDr. Rajendra Prasad: Correspondence and Selected Documents: Volume Seventeen, Valmiki Choudhary(ed.), Allied Publishers Limited, 1992, pp.456.Speeches of President Rajendra Prasad, May 1952 - Nov. 1956, Publications Division, Ministry of Information and Broadcasting, Government of India, 1972, pp. 311.. To that, I've mentioned another source buried deep within Nehru's Selected Works, where he mentions that he didn't nominate himself and shouldn't have been awarded the BR because he is the one who harbours the job to nominate the awardeesSelected Works of JLN, Second Series, Volume 29, S. Gopal [ed.], Jawaharlal Nehru Memorial Fund, pp. 461–462. So I propose that this certain 'criticism' be removed from the introductory paragraphs, and added and then clarified in the "Criticism" section. Idlest.idealist (talk) 11:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please provide online links for these sources? We would not want to assume good faith in such controversial claim. - Vivvt (Talk) 18:26, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of Nehru and Prasad 

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Quote: "We have assembled this evening to express our joy at the safe return of our Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, from a strenuous tour in different countries of Europe. I am grateful to your Excellencies for responding to my invitation at short notice.  We have followed with avidity and eagerness the news of the splendid welcome which has been extended to our Prime Minister by the Governments and peoples of the various countries he visited.  It shows as our Prime Minister has said, the high esteem in which our country is held by the great countries of the world.  We are an ancient country but a very young republic and it is a matter of gratification to us to know how its activities and policy for the establishment and maintenance of peace are being appreciated and how they have raised our honour and prestige.  We hold and believe that peace is necessary for the welfare and prosperity of all the peoples of the world and more so in this age of great scientific achievements and invention of weapons which have left before humanity the choice between renunciation of war and total destruction of mankind.  In upholding and supporting the cause of peace, we have been voicing in our own humble way the yearnings of hundreds of millions of men and women all the world over, and no wonder our Prime Minister who has been the chief architect of that policy of ours in this age, has been the recipient of such ovations.  I have been wondering how the people of this country can express their gratitude to him in a concrete form so that all might see how the entire nation is behind him in this great endeavour.  His lifelong services to our nation are written in letters of gold on every page of our recent history, and this the latest phase in his great career as a heroic endeavour in the cause of peace for mankind has served to embellish gold or, as our  proverb says, added more beauty and charm to it by giving it a sweet scent. I have felt that I can do no better than conferring on him the award of Bharat Ratna which is the highest award of honour that we have. In doing so, for once, I may be said to be acting unconstitutionally, as I am taking this step on my own initiative and without any recommendation or advice from my Prime Minister; but I know that my action will be endorsed most enthusiastically not only by my Cabinet and other Ministers but by the country as a whole. I would request you all to join me in wishing him many happy years of health and vigour so that he may serve still more his country and the world at large."  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rajendra Prasad's speech on the occasion of conferring the Bharat Ratna to Mr  Nehru 

message: From The New York Times, Saturday, July 16, 1955, page 7.
INDIA HONORS NEHRU
Gives Top Civil Decoration to Mark Leader's Return
Special to The New York Times.  New Delhi, India, July 15—The Jewel of India, the country's highest civil decoration, was presented last night to Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru.
The presentation was made at a state dinner held to welcome the Prime Minister back from his tour of the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Italy, Britain, and other countries.
Usually the award is presented by the President on recommendation of the Prime Minister and the Cabinet.  At the banquet, President Rajendra Prasad said he was "acting unconstitutionally" in making the award on his own decision, but added he was quite sure the whole country would endorse his decision.
Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:44, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New York Times report on Nehru's Bharat Ratna (Jewel of India) 

message: From Times of India, July 16, 1955, page 1  and Times of India, July 16, 1955, page 7
The Times of India Saturday, July 16, 1955.
<BIG>BHARAT RATNA AWARDED TO MR NEHRU</BIG>
<Big>"Nation's Gratitude To Architect of Peace"</Big>
PRESIDENT'S TRIBUTE AT BANQUET
"The Times of India" News Service.
New Delhi, July 15.
INDIA's Prime Minister, Mr Nehru, was awarded the Bharat Ratna, the highest honour in the land, by the President this evening at a State banquet given by Dr. Rajendra Prasad at Rashtrapati Bhavan.
In a moving tribute to Mr Nehru, the President, said the award was a recognition of his "great heroic endeavour in the cause of peace for mankind."  He stated that he was conferring the honour on Mr Nehru as a token of the entire nation's gratitude to this "great architect of peace in our time."
Mr Nehru, who was overwhelmed with emotion, said in reply: "We are trying and will go on trying to our last breath to do whatever lies in our power to bring about peace in the world."
The  banquet was attended by the Vice-President, members of the Union Cabinet, leaders of the diplomatic missions, the three Service Chiefs and senior officials of the Government of India.
The award was kept a closely-guarded secret until the banquet.  In fact, the President himself confessed that he had acted unconstitutionally as he had decided to confer the honour "without any recommendation or advice from my Prime Minister" or the Cabinet....
Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:51, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Times of India July 16, 1955, front page story, "BHARAT RATNA AWARDED TO MR NEHRU" 

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message: It might be there... but I can't see it.
Who decides the award; why isn't it every year; what happened in 2020?
MBG02 (talk) 07:31, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who decides? 

message: Please make this article semi-protected to prevent Vandalism and disruptive editing Chhota Bheem Fan (talk) 05:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2022 

message: HAS BEEN BESTOWED WITH THE HIGEST CIVILIAN AWARD, BHARAT RATNA, OF INDIA IN 2012  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4054:504:F74E:0:0:5A1:10A0 (talk) 15:09, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  GK 

message: is the first batsman to cross the score of 300  twice test match 2409:4054:504:F74E:0:0:5A1:10A0 (talk) 15:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  GK 

message: Motivate thought 122.161.52.64 (talk) 01:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: bro nice thought 122.161.52.64 (talk) 01:03, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  If you think you can do it