Talk:Chronogram

message: The Roman numerals sections says
  The practice originated in the late Roman Empire
but page vi of the preface of 
  Chronograms, by James Hilton, F.S.A. 
  http://books.google.com/books?id=yMRPAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA480&dq=chronogram+date+roman+empire&hl=en&sa=X&ei=O8KMU9b9DoSdqAa27IL4DQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=chronogram%20date%20roman%20empire&f=false
says
It has been said that the Romans used chronograms in thier later works, but after extensive search I have not met with any, and writers who have given currency to the affirmation have not supported it by examples.
EcuPadic (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronograms in the Roman Empire

message: I'm still not happy with this, but it seems there is no other safe way to mix numbers, punctuation, hebrew, and english. Previously there were such gems as these (hebrew replaced with #s)
logical                        	visual
###### =) ###, "the major era")	### (= ######, "the major era")
[###### = 391; together 471]   	[391 = ######; together 471]
No use of  or  was able to fix these. Keep this in mind when editing or adding to these examples --Random832 13:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  bidi markup 

message: As a Jew, I found the wording of the first sentence of the section Hebrew numerals irritating and offensive:
: The great popularity of chronograms among the Jews, and the extent to which they have been cultivated, may be explained by the fact that they are a variety of Gematria, which latter was highly regarded by the Jews and much practised by them.
The sentence is a direct quote from the article CHRONOGRAM in the Jewish Encyclopedia, which is credited in the External Links:
: This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain:  Jewish Encyclopedia. 1901–1906.
The only difference is the change of JE's transliteration GemaṬria to the usual English spelling Gematria.
To a modern sensibility, this use of the phrase "the Jews" is, at best, outdated in its treatment of Jews as other. This usage contrasts the implicit us (assumed to be white and Christian) with assorted thems: "the Jews", "the Negroes" (to apply the most polite word in white use in 1906), "the Mohammedans" (Muslims), "the Hindoos" (Hindus), and so on. 
I have changed the sentence to
: The great popularity of chronograms in Jewish tradition, and the extent to which they have been cultivated, may be explained by the fact that they are a variety of the Jewish mystical practice of Gematria.
--Thnidu (talk) 05:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the Jews" 

message: The song "Close Up the Streams" by Therion. Funny enough, I figured the point of the upper-case letters out without even knowing at the time what a chronogram was. I'm S-M-R-T! --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:33, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A modern example 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article's Roman numerals section was giving "Christ the Leader, therefore triumphant" for ChrIstVs DuX ergo trIVMphVs.  But that would translate *ChrIstVs DuX ergo trIVMphans, which really isn't the same thing.
 
If I'm right - and this is not my specialist subject! - "Triumphus", appearing alone, would mean "[It's a] triumph", and the clearest expression of the meaning of the Latin would be more like "Christ is the Leader, and that's a triumph".
The article needs something slightly more formal, to translate a coin inscription.  And there's a slight awkwardness in the Latin, straining a bit to get the final V of trIVMphVs, which is worth capturing.  I've substituted "Christ the Leader so a triumph".
- SquisherDa (talk) 09:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:   Translation?