Talk:Nerdcore

message: *I think that Aesop Rock and Rob Sonic's duo Hail Mary Mallon might be considered Nerdcore. It might be to aggressive though.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mystery mustache man (talk • contribs) 14:08, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Hail Mary Mallon

message: *I cross-linked this and the "Geek Rock" article as they're related... Perhaps there should be a catagory for geek music?
*I consider Deltron3030's album prior art and definetely Del's lyrics have been about technology and its culture since long time ago (before Nerdcore) but I dunno about classifing it as "nerdcore" since the genre is mostly about college kids playing.  Dan The Automator, Kid Koala and DEL are pretty big names, more after the whole Gorillaz project.  Will edit and write a bit about Deltron. - Wyz
*Would you consider some of Del Tha Funkee Homosapien's music nerdcore? I'm thinking specifically "Proto Culture" (which is about Sega, arcades, and video games) and lots of the songs of "Deltron 3030", which are all kind of fantasy-ish and resemble the plotline of a video game. Anyone know what I'm talking about? -Rob
:Del isn't nerdcore in itself, but Deltron (as a side-project) is. So is MC Paul Berman, I think. It's not just about subject matter, but style too. Fearwig 02:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, Barman doesn't consider himself to be nerdcore, and in fact refers to nerdcore as a "fictional subgenre", as if any other subgenre is so much more valid.  Personally, I feel he's a talentless hack and if he doesn't want to be on a list of NC.HH artists, the list is better off without him, but I won't do the edits myself because I don't want to seem like I'm forcing my personal opinions and preferences onto the article (unlike certain "crackers" I could name). - Ugliness Man 11:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: lol @ u - this issue has been ironed out in detail with everyone but you.  i have kept my word since. Ytcracker 16:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue hasn't been "ironed out in detail" or fully resolved, it's just that most of us got sick of arguing with a brick wall and playing edit ping-pong.  When someone who has almost zero cred declares himself to be a "godfather" (without explaining what he's supposedly a "godfather" of), it quickly becomes apparant that arguing with this person is futile. - Ugliness Man 10:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i'm just a godfather get over it.  i'm glad it's "apparant" arguing with me is futile.  p.s. i think "most of us" is only you.  congratulations. Ytcracker 02:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Nerd has (and deserves) its own article; it is a complicated concept, and can mean vastly different things depending on the context. "Nerdcore" is a genre of hip hop written by people who define themselves (or, in some cases, are defined by others) as nerds. Does the article not explain this adequately? 129.2.211.72 07:02, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  It reads pretty crystal to me. —RaD Man (talk) 15:34, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Geek Rock

message: Should The Great Luke Ski perhaps be under the list of notable Nerdcore artists, as opposed to related artists? His songs are almost consistently about nerdy things, and somewhere around half of his songs are original productions. Shralla 08:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Great Luke Ski 

message: Just wondering if N*E*R*D are considered nerd rap?
: Nope, not really.  —RaD Man (talk) 01:11, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Frontalot founded the genre, so if he says somebody belongs to it, I'm happy to take his word on it. Now, he also mentions Deltron 3030, as I recall, and people seem to have decided they don't belong in the main list, so if you want to remove them from the list and give your reasons for doing so, that's fine. But they certainly shouldn't be removed from the article entirely, as you suggest; they are, perhaps, an example of "proto-nerdcore". The roots of the nerdcore movement could really be explored in quite a lot of depth, in fact. One could even make a case for tracing things back to the Beastie Boys, if one were so inclined. 129.2.253.240 00:28, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wouldn't say Frontalot FOUNDED the genre. He gave it a name, and brought it to a new level of visibility. And my Kangol is off to him for that. Jason Gortician 04:20, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: If you look at the external links, you can see that Kool Keith (as Dr Octagon) submitted his song "Ants" to Rhyme Torrents, a nerdcore compilation. So Keith is now calling himself nerdcore, at least sometimes. It's true, none of the rest explicitly identify as "nerdcore". The article never said they did. However, claiming that groups like Deltron 3030 didn't influence nerdcore is absurd. MC Frontalot has specifically cited them as an influence. MC Paul Barman appeared on their album, and I notice you didn't remove him from the list of related artists. Maybe the term "proto-nerdcore" is pushing it (I'll try and change it), but the point is that they are influences. Note that this says nothing about them and everything about nerdcore. The fact is, Led Zeppelin and Hendrix did influence heavy metal artists, among many, many others. That doesn't make Hendrix metal, but it does mean that metal's roots are (in part) in Hendrix. (For that matter, John Lydon auditioned for the Sex Pistols in an "I Hate Pink Floyd" shirt; rebelling against other musical genres was key to the distinct sound and attitude of the Pistols. I'm not claiming Johnny Rotten's homemade t-shirt makes Pink Floyd punk rock, but simply that they were an influence, and worth mentioning.) So chill out. Nobody ever said any of the artists you yanked from the article were nerdcore, except Dr Octagon, and as I said, he is nerdcore. The article specifically states that simply singing about nerdy topics doesn't make a band nerdcore, right there in the intro: "The difference is largely one of self-identification." If they don't call themselves nerdcore, they don't have to be. But they're still relevant, and they still belong in the article. If you don't feel the distinction's drawn clearly enough, please feel free to edit things. But don't just slash holes in the lists. 69.140.12.199 04:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  N*E*R*D 

message: Keep poor Chmod out of this. He's me, and he's never recorded a damn thing fit for public consumption, trust me. When I first wrote this article, I put him in the list as a joke for friends, which I know was pretty silly, but what the hell. Unfortunately, he keeps popping up in the list, and he most definitely doesn't belong there. I apologize. 129.2.253.240 00:31, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  MC Chmod 

message: I changed the link from Optimus Rhyme's webpage to the Optimus Rhyme wikipedia-entry.
Greets,
-Styx 12:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Optimus Rhyme 

message: These are a lot more than nerdcore but kind of verge on it in places - especially with the 80s home computer obssesion.  Morwen - Talk 14:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Goldie Lookin' Chain]]

message: That was a pretty ill edit, taking High-C off. A rapper since 1988, his first track 'Godzilla' was recorded using an Amiga 500 in 1995. High-C first became known via Usenet text battles in alt.rap and rec.music.hip-hop around 1996.<BR><BR>
It's hard to deny the geek value of lyrics like "You're just a smurfer on a co-located server, and I serve my active pages with fervor", or an entire verse centered around 'Lord of the Rings'. "Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand" contains the lyric "I pull out the guide and it says 'Don't Panic'". Another snippet from Usenet (Nov 7 1996) said: <BR><BR>
"When it comes to flamin' lamers<BR>
You know I'm the master<BR>
But profanity's a crutch for inarticlate bastards<BR>
I'm like Telnet - i'm here but I'm there<BR>
Travel around the world never leavin my chair<BR>
It's just another hit from the bayou blaster<BR>
When I grip the mic like a Jedi master<BR>
Hardwired like a neuromancer<BR>
Funky as a mothafuckin' Soul Train dancer<BR>
I got rhymes that I ain't even said yet<BR>
I'm engineerin' shit just like Lew Eggebrecht<BR>
Cuz I been hackin and crackin<BR>
2600 phrackin<BR>
Phone phreakin and tweakin<BR>
Electronically jackin<BR>
Snuff rhymes I wrote 'em<BR>
So that you can quote 'em<BR>
To all the cypherpunks I communicate by modem". <BR><BR>
50 Quatloos if you know who Lew Eggebrecht is.
Jason Gortician 04:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  High-C - Nerdcore Since 1995 

message: I know this is nitpicking, but it seems strange for the title of the article to be "Nerdcore hip-hop" rather that simply "Nerdcore".  It's along the lines of calling Industrial music "Industrial Metal", a bit redundant.  I would change the title myself, but I'm not yet well-versed enough to do that. --DestradoZero 19:21, 24 May 2006
:The first recorded use of the word "nerdcore" was in the MC Frontalont song "Nerdcore Hiphop", which begins with the line "Nerdcore hip hop, other rappers run in fear..." There was some early variation on how many words it was - Frontalot originally spelled it "Nerdcore Hiphop" in the title, but "nerd core hip hip" in the lyrics - but we seem to have settled on three. I see absolutely no reason to change the genre name; this is the name it's had from day one. 69.140.12.199 22:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, "nerdcore" used to refer to geeky punk/emo type stuff. So "nerdcore hip-hop" is entirely correct. 74.234.67.188 17:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would that original nerdcore include artists like The Impossibles? ReverendG 18:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nerdcore, not Nerdcore hip-hop 

message: I made some heavy revisions to the article; feel free to hate them and revert them on sight. But somebody write a stub or something for poor Baddd Spellah, Frontalot's primary beatsmith. He clearly and undisputably meets WP:MUSIC, and he didn't even get an external link before. 69.140.12.199 00:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For bonus points, I added a Wikiquote article. It's very scanty and hastily done; it could be significantly expanded by someone with a bit more motivation. It does, at least, quote most of the songs mentioned in passing in the article body. 69.140.12.199 16:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Putting on my rewrite pants 

message: Should the Frontalittle Squad be included? They've been around for a few years now and have released a lot more tracks than some of the artists on here. They're included on the Rhymetorrents compilation and one of their members (Glenn Case) has worked with MC Frontalot and MC Chris. Unfortunately I don't know that there's enough citable information on them to merit inclusion. Someone had requested an article for them on Wikipedia:Requested_articles/music#Performers_and_Bands_F:, but I'm pretty sure there's not enough there for a real article just yet. Just wanted to breach the topic in case anyone here wants to discuss it. 74.132.201.208 05:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Frontalittle Squad?

message: All of the NCHH artists who appeared in Wired (page 62, September 2006) should now be eligible for inclusion in Wikipedia: Frontalot, funky49, Sucklord, Beefy, High-C, Ham-STAR, Optimus Rhyme and YTcracker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.153.67.48 (talk • contribs)  12:59, 2 September 2006
*Articles for the artist Beefy have been created and deleted at least eight times. Look here and here and here. It has been through AfD discussions twice; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beefy and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beefy (artist). If this guy is finally notable enough, someone is going to have to do really great job on an article with lots of references, else it's sure to be deleted again.  --Satori Son 14:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wired Article on NCHH 

message: Does this article still need the cleanup tag? It's still got a lot of OR, but that's sort of inevitable when dealing with a fairly obscure DIY subgenre not really covered by many peer-reviewed journals. It is not, however, "ungrammatical, poorly formatted, confusing, etc." (as far as I can see), and thus doesn't seem to merit a cleanup tag. If someone wants to change the tag to reflect a more specific objection, that'd be helpful. Otherwise, if there's no debate, I'll remove the tag in a week or so. There's nothing uglier than an unmerited cleanup tag, don't you think? 69.140.12.199 02:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You've got some good points, but if you wanna create an account, I wouldn't bother waiting a week.  Create an account to get yourself a screen name (therefore making you both more accountable and more credible than a random IP), and go ahead and chuck the tag if there's no objection within a day or two. - Ugliness Man 16:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been editing Wikipedia for almost three years. I have my own (complicated) reasons for not wanting to log in. Doubtless I'll have to if the bizarre trend towards giving IP editors less and less power continues, but for now I'm quite happy without. I've never before had anyone be so unfamiliar with WP policy that they've reverted one of my edits based on my lack of an account. Thanks for the well-meaning advice, though. 69.140.12.199 19:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup? 

message: He's been the power behind nerdcore's throne for years, he remixed both MC Frontalot and mc chris before Karl Olsen bragged about doing the same, his remix of "Ten Year Old" won him a track in his honor from chris, he currently provides the vast majority of Frontalot's beats (including most of the songs on the Nerdcore Rising album), and his latest collaboration with the Front won the CBC's Remix the Ring contest, earning him a cool grand and an on-air interview. There's never been a better time to write an article on the poor bastard! In my opinion, it should be the single biggest priority of any nerdcore-loving Wikipedians. I'd write it myself, but at this rate I'm afraid people will start suspecting I'm the only nerdcore-loving Wikipedian, so I'll give you guys a bit of time before I jump in on this long, long overdue article. But seriously, somebody's got to do it; that red link's a disgrace. A quick bit of looking about the internet reveals at least one interview that would be useful to anyone authoring a Baddd Spellah article. 69.140.12.199 03:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baddd Spellah 

message: I have to wonder if Dr. Octagon can really be considered a part of the nerdcore "scene," as the article states.  While one of his songs was on the compilation, as far as I know he's never communicated with any nerdcore artists and IIRC when a fan at a show asked him what he thought of nerdcore his response was something along the lines of "what's that?"
Not saying he's not a great artist, or that he's not nerdy, but I think in general if nerdcore is to be considered more a group of loosely affiliated artists who choose to use that label, he doesn't really belong in the list. --63.249.103.122 04:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Octagon 

message: Jedi Mind Tricks, are they considered nerdcore?--ConradKilroy 18:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jedi Mind Tricks 

message: what about Basshunter???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.111.165.100 (talk) 09:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does basshunter have to do with nerdcore, or even hip hop in general? Dj snyder 09:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  basshunter 

message: Seriously? Still no FSR? 71.231.13.14 05:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like FSR as well. In fact, I just spent the past 2 hours trying desperately to locate enough reliable sources to prove that they are notable enough for an article. Unfortunately, I was unable to find any, and just because I feel that they should be included, that isn't a valid enough basis for inclusion. Without sources and notability, the article would just get deleted again. As I did with MC Router though, I will continue the search, and work on creation when the topic becomes notable by Wikipedia standards. Seriously though, Nerdcore for Life was on MTV Canada this past week, Nerdcore's getting mainstream enough, so sources covering FSR are bound to happen any month now..--Spazure 10:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futuristic Sex Robotz 

message: Can someone tell me why it is that MC Paul Barman, who claims NOT to be nerdcore, is listed as a nerdcore artist...while the Former Fat Boys, who HAVE called themselves nerdcore, are listed as non-nerdcore?  I'm not quite following this here article. Dj snyder 09:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfotunately what someone wants to call themselves doesn't always influence how other people view them.  Barman is a whiner and doesn't want to have the nerdcore label associated with him, but he still fits the category due to the subject matter of some of his lyrics.  I could put together an album of music that sounds like techno, and then say "I'm not techno, I'm polka", but that doesn't mean that Wikipedia would be obligated list it as a polka album.  Categorization is based on observable criteria, not the wishes of the subject in question. - Ugliness Man 10:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet I wouldn't be surprised if FFB's got just as many "nerdy" references, if not more, than someone like Jesse D.  Why the hating man?  WHY Dj snyder 05:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsensical categorization 

message: I've removed the following paragraph:
:Although it is worthy of note that some consider the names of the genres to be confused; as the term "nerd" is usually assigned to those more technically minded, often obsessed with science or technology and often a lack of social skills. Whereas the term "geek" is more often attributed to people with a strong love of science fiction, comics, video games and things of that nature. Therefore the artists often considered in the "nerdcore" genre are more accurately geeks than those in the "geeksta rap" genre.
The problem I have here is that it assumes universal definitions of "nerd" and "geek" that simply don't exist. There is no real agreement inside the community as to which term means what. Speaking solely for myself, my intuition is almost exactly the opposite of this one. 68.48.168.53 14:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The distinctions are arbitrary at best, to most they're synonomous terms. C.f., 'Geek Rock'. PrePressChris 00:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Nerd" versus "geek" 

message: The following text was recently removed from the article:
The only things required to enter the nerdcore community are a microphone, a computer, 
and a webserver. No recognized nerdcore albums have ever been released on a major record label, and MP3s, not CDs, are the primary means of distribution.
 
The reasoning given is "See Pharrel Williams", by an anon. Apparently he meant in reference to the "no recognized nerdcore albums" remark, but what about the rest of it, should we leave it gone, or add it back? Spazure 04:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, ignoring Pharrel Williams for the moment, the removed text is largely irrelevant, appears to be a flavour of OR, and really seems to me like it's an opinionated criticism rather than an encyclopedic observation.  If anything similar is to be included at all, it needs to be significantly reworded, and should be explicitly a generalization rather than an absolute (in other words, make a comment on "the majority of" or "most" nerdcore artists, rather than making a sweeping statement about "all" of them). - Ugliness Man 08:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that if it goes back, it should likely be written. I honestly don't care either way -- just didn't want to see an anon remove something unless other editors agree on its removal. Spazure 08:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  text omitted from article 

message: Why do we have one? I'm not going to remove it outright, because I'd like to avoid an edit war, but I fail to see what it contributes to the article. The majority of edits to this article are people adding themselves to the list, the list itself already reads like a disclaimer right before the list, and we also don't seem to have a solid criteria for inclusion onto the list. Spazure 04:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Notable nerdcore artists" section 

message: Is Mc lars nerdcore. He seems more like an alternative rapper to me. ALtough he did contribute to the rhyme torrents compilations.
: I'll go with the group consensus on this one, as I'm somewhat on the fence, but leaning towards yes.  His songs aren't ALL about geeky stuff, but a lot of it is, and he does record most (or all?) of his stuff on hiw own laptop.  There's definitely nerdy goodness there.  spazure (contribs) (review) 06:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MC LARS 

message: The media coverage section should be integrated as in-line citations, moved over to the appropriate NcHH artist sub-page, moved to the EL section, or deleted.  A dump of links is not appropriate and hot helpful. WLU (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media coverage 

message: Should Rappy McRapperson be included in the "Notable Artists" section? Among his accomplishments:
*He made the theme song for The Captain Underpants TV show 
*He produced the latest EP of Wing, who is an international singinging sensation with her own wikipedia article.
*He has 4 albums on iTunes, as well as several tracks on compilation albums, plus Wing's album he produced.
*He has appeared on several [radio shows http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhb-S5nX-7Q] and played shows across the country, and is scheduled to play at Nerdapalooza 2010.
•  He’s got a cock like a Burmese python, an arm like a damn rocket, and the brain of a fucking scientist. 🥵🥵
I think Rappy deserves AT LEAST a mention in the "Notable Artists" section of this article, more like his own article  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.238.57 (talk) 01:20, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rappy McRapperson

message: Included MC Barman in list of artists experimenting in nerdcore before it was a genre, didnt look like it needed a ref but if desired: NY Magazine quote "2000: Brown graduate MC Paul Barman’s debut EP, It’s Very Stimulating, gets called “the whitest hip-hop record ever made” by the Times. “Nerdcore” rappers like mc chris and MC Lars would follow in his footsteps."
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/04/these_are_heady_times_for.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.147.126 (talk) 16:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  MC Barman 

message: Wouldn't you say MC Hawking is more Geeksta Rap than Nerdcore, given how violent and misogynistic his material is?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.156.247.2 (talk) 16:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  MC Hawking 

message: I removed a number of names from the "Notables" section.  While Maja, Navi, and "Torrentz" might be artists associated with the genre, they aren't notable and their linked pages connected each to a wiki article that had nothing to do with said artist, just a similar name to their own.
As for Greydon Square, a simple look over his wiki page and news articles fail to connect him with anything in the nerdcore genre.  I'd be interested to have something to the contrary be shown, but I won't be waiting with bated breath.
Amari42 (talk) 23:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Along with this now are the removal of red links recently added and an artist not connected to the nerdcore genre (being nothing on his wikipage stating even a slight connection to nerdcore)--Amari42 (talk) 12:31, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What if someone had the first websites, compilations, posse tracks, was in Wired, a documentary, numerous articles, and still gets deleted? Does that mean Wikipedia is just a fucked pile of garbage, waiting to be destroyed by a blockchain-based competitor? MC Rooter (talk) 06:00, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If it can't be substantiated, then it is not to be included in Wikipedia.  See WP:NOTTRUTH (note this is an essay not a policy).  If that artist in question can be substantiated as notable, then they can be included.  But the burden is on the editor adding the material. --Klaun (talk) 14:34, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of non-associated acts and links 

message: According to the article MC Frontalot coined the term "Nerdcore hip hop" and then links to the song lyrics.  Unfortunately there's nothing there to indicate that this was the first recorded usage of the term or who came up with it.  Does anyone have a better source to establish this point?  Otherwise it should probably be rewritten to say something like "The earliest recorded usage of the term was from MC Frontalot's song 'Nerdcore Hiphop'". SQGibbon (talk) 20:46, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. There isn't any real way to say Frontalot made the term, but he definitely made the term commonplace (as much as you can expect it to be). Amari42 (talk) 22:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the term? 

message: Does MC frontalot deserve a mention in every paragraph of this article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.95.126 (talk) 17:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: MC Frontalot heavy article

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