Talk:Mohammed al-Qahtani

message: The interrogation log Time made available describes a female "Sergeant A" as the lead investigator during the 4:00 to 12:00 shift.  I wonder if it was Sergeant Jeanette Aracho-Burkart, the interrogator who is known to have worn skimpy clothes, and to have reached inside her pants and faked smearing detainees' faces with red liquid she said was her menses.  --  Geo Swan 05:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Sergeant A"?

message: I changed the characterization of the large roundup of foreigners in post-invasion Afghanistan, and the Pakistan "tribal areas", from "foreign fighters" to simply "foreigners".
The Denbeaux study definitely demonstrated that the Guantanamo detainees largely weren't "fighters".  
*"No surprises in the war on terror," BBC, February 13 2006
*The Denbeaux study methodically analyzed the allegations US intelligence officials  placed against the detainees.  Only 8% of the 517 detainees who went through a Combatant Status Review Tribunal were alleged to be fighters.    
*Many critics who have read the transcripts that the DoD has been forced to release have grave doubts over the credibility of the allegations, and suspect a significant fraction of the remaining detainees are not just not terrorists, not just not "fighters", but are innocent men, who have zero association with Al Qaeda, the Taliban, or terrorism, and were merely unlucky enough to be found in the wrong place at the wrong time.
No doubt whomever characterized the Guantanamo detainees as "foreign fighters", as if this were a proven fact, didn't realize it was POV -- but it is IMO -- highly so.  --  Geo Swan 03:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  foreign fighters --> foreigners 

message: Die the Times publication of the log lead to any criminal investigations? What is described clearly breaks the Geneva Conventions and US law. 88.73.110.3 12:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Investigations? 

message: An anonymous IP made what I regard as questionable edits.
The role of the wikipedia is not to serve as a hagiography.
They changed extrajudicial detention to simply detention.  Extrajudicial detention is both accurate and neutral. 
Calling the CCR a "a radical left wing organisation" is editorializing.  Calling the CCR "a radical left wing organisation with ties to George Soros" -- is a tie to George Soros supposed to justify calling the organization "radical left wing organization"?  Well, it is WP:OR.
There is an open question as to whether a large number of captives were tortured.  But there are three captives that the DoD has acknowledged were subjected to extreme interrogation methods that practically everyone but the Bush administraton acknowledges were tortured.  KSM and Abu Zubaydah are two of them.  And Muhammad al Qahtani was the third.  The article said "torture" prior to the IP's edits.  The IP put "alleged torture".  Since the DoD acknowledged using extended interrogation methods on him, I will change it to that wording.  Geo Swan (talk) 23:27, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  questionable edits... 

message: A large portion of this article seems to be more or less a dump of primary sources---verbatim transcripts, quotes, timelines, etc. From an encyclopedia article (a tertiary source) I would've expected a more concise summary, based mainly on secondary and other tertiary sources, with only occasional quotes of the primary sources where particularly useful to the reader. As it stands it's kind of hard to read, especially for a nonspecialist. --Delirium (talk) 23:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and in particular I would point out that there is zero information about him other than his status as a prisoner.  If you look in the box to the right you can discover that he is a Saudi and when he was born, but there should be an introductory sentence containing this information as well as a basic description, if anything is known about his prior life. What is he in addition to a detainee—a scion of a rich family, like Osama bin Laden? a poor laborer who wound up fighting in Afghanistan? He is a person as well as a case. Languagehat (talk) 14:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  reads somewhat oddly 

message: The image that i have removed from the article violates the basic rules of Wikipedia. It is the own work of a Wikipedia editor who took a primary source combined it with other sources and then interpreted them. This is a violation of WP:OR. The fact that these are mostly primary sources has also further problems as it does not comply with the policies of BLP's of living people. So i see this topic as taken to the talk page and the image should not be re-included until consensus has been reached. IQinn (talk) 10:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: explanation...

message: I see the need to move this article to a better name. I suggest to move this page to Mohammed al Qahtani. The new name is based on these reliable sources:
:*The Guantanamo Docket The New York Times 
:* Mohammed al-Qahtani Torture Tapes To Be Released To Detainee's Lawyers The Huffington Post
:*Detainee Tortured, Says U.S. Official The Washington Post
:*Bush Era Ends With Guantánamo Trial Chief’s Torture Confession Andy Worthington
:and more... 
I strongly believe that the from me suggested new name Mohammed al Qahtani is an improvement and should be performed as soon as possible. Any objections? IQinn (talk) 07:04, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have any strong objections, Kahtani and Qahtani seem to have equal validity and common useage...I don't agree it's "better" either way - but I'm also not sure it's "worse" either way. Just be sure to update the spelling in the article. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead)  15:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Some early press reports called him "al Kahtani".  I have no objection to standardizing on "al Qahtani".  However, Jabir Hasan Muhamed Al Qahtani, Muhammed Fahad Al Qahtany, Muhammad Jafar Jamal al-Kahtani, Said Muhammad Husayn Qahtani could all also be called Mohammed al Qahtani.  I suggest any renaming should take this into account.  Geo Swan (talk) 01:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Will start to move the article to Mohammed al Qahtani per this discussion by adding {db-move} to the redirect. IQinn (talk) 01:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  move 

message: This edit removed considerable material, justified by the edit summary "deleted erroneous politically motivated information".  
This material was properly referenced to WP:RS.  If the contributor who made this excision thinks they have concerns that are justified by policy I would recommend offering them on this talk page.
Cheers!  Geo Swan (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Big, practically unexplained, excision of referenced material

message: Please correct the interwiki to French :
:fr:Mohammed al-Kahtani
Thanks
83.217.136.39 (talk) 22:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: interwiki French

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message: To add to this article: Mohammed al-Qahtani has been diagnosed with schizophrenia (diagnosed years before his detention), and also suffers from major depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 22:48, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article