Talk:Gympie Pyramid

message: This article contains a reference to artefacts held at the "Gympie Museum". There is a Gold Mining and Historical Museum at Gympie, but to the best of my knowledge this does not hold the alleged artefacts. Ive read there is also a Light Horse Museum at Gympie. At Imbil, about 40 kms from Gympie is the Museum of Wonders, but I believe this is a private museum also specialising in militaria.--Nickm57 11:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gympie Museum ? 

message: I've just followed the link here from the article "1421: The Year China Discovered the World" and there is a referenced statement saying that the Gympie pyramid was constructed by an Italian farmer yet here it states that it was constructed by a Swiss horticulturist. Both statements have sourced evidence, so which is it? Anyone know more?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The evil jelly (talk • contribs) 10:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it's the same thing. The terms "Italian" and "Swiss Italian" seem remarkably interchangable in nineteenth century Australia. See for example, the village of Yandoit in central Victoria. --Nickm57 (talk) 23:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Constructed by whom?

message: I moved the reference to Dr. Brown's work to the lead paragraph. Suspense has it's place but I don't think it's here. Jojalozzo (talk) 23:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref to Dr. Brown's wotk in lead. 

message: I've had a look at the Google Maps 3D imagery for the area indicated by the coordinates for this article, and compared them to the photo. I can't see anything even vaguely resembling the photo. What gives? -- The Anome (talk) 09:47, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's because the (mislabelled) photo is of Walsh's Pyramid. Near Cairns. Nothing to do with this topic. As per discussion above!Nickm57 (talk) 10:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There really isn't any way someone could confuse the two: they're over 1400 km away from one another. I've nominated the image on Commons for deletion: see here. -- The Anome (talk) 18:02, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph vs. maps 

message: Thanks  for the references to the Archaeo Cultural Heritage Report on Rocky Ridge at  or . 
I have had time to read this report and its good to see Elaine Brown's report is included as well, I can recall reading that a long time ago. I have struggled to find Marilyn Pye's 1983 theory - that the stones at the Surface Hill Uniting Church were taken from Rocky Ridge - outlined at any length or analysed anywhere else, even on her own website. I have watched the video mentioned by Wikigetsme123, but the dry stone retaining wall around the Church is not unlike other Australian Dry_stone Walling - see here for example Old Great North Road, while its construction is also mentioned here in a local history and in  The Courier Mail in 1938. . At very least the section needs to be reworded, particularly as some living people can recall it being built. Anyway, well done everyone on improving the mess. Nickm57 (talk) 04:22, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. There's no evidence I can find for the source of the stones, and as they are so like other walls... Also, Elaine Brown says the Surface Hill walls were built "with stones obtained from the property of Mrs Patience Mulholland.” I can't find anything about her other than that one source. Doug Weller talk 17:13, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  After some thought I didn't delete this section but reworded it and also provided some citations. I did delete the words "The origins of the pyramid were widely discussed by several people over the decades" as these seem to hang awkwardly at the start. Better to go right into the topic.Nickm57 (talk) 03:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest delete the section on stone reuse 

message: Hi @Nickm57 , I just spoke to Kabi Kabi people at the Pyramid site and they explained that the Gubbi Gubbi are a different tribe, localized in NSW. The Kabi work on their own wiki page to reference to. Could we delete the Kabi Kabi link to the Gubbi Gubbi page until we find a suitable online reference? I also recommended a change on the Gubbi Gubbi page, as they apparently claimed Kabi Kabi country once and argued that noone of the Kabi Kabi would still be alive. That was my mistake when writing the article Wikigetsme123 (talk) 03:00, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If you've made a mistake, you will need to fix it up. However, I must point out you need a reliable source for this, not just what you think someone told you. A quick glance at the Gubbi Gubbi facebook page and the AIATSIS map of Indigenous Australia here  indicates Gubbi Gubbi is the english spelling of the traditional owners of the Gympie area. Nickm57 (talk) 06:19, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabi Kabi and Gubbbi Gubbi are two different tribes - suggest deletion of reference links  

message: Hi, I received references to the Kabi tribe.
Reference to the Kabi Languages, and location in: 
Jefferies, A 2013 Leichhardt: His contribution to Australian Aboriginal
linguistics and ethnography 1843-44. Memoirs of the Queensland Museum
– Culture 7(2): 633-652. Brisbane. ISSN 1440-4788
https://network.qm.qld.gov.au/~/media/Documents/QM/About+Us/Publications/Memoirs+-+Culture/C7/mqmc-7-2-jefferies.pdf
A fairly accurate map made in the late 1800's by John Mathew who lived on Kabi Country and who studied and documented Kabi language, history and culture in:
John Mathew, 'Two representative tribes of Queensland; with an inquiry concerning the origin of the Australian race'. (London, T. Fisher Unwin 1910), facing p. 67. available from: 
https://archive.org/details/tworepresentati00math/page/n71
The location of the Kabi Language group and Tribes was also mapped by Norman Tindale: 'Map showing the distribution of the Aboriginal tribes of Australia', (Adelaide,Govt. Photolithographer, 1940). Available from
http://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-230054338/view
This also mentions Kabi: 
E. G. Heap (B.A.) 'In The Wake of the Raftsmen: A Survey of Early Settlement in the Maroochy District up to the Passing of the Crown Lands Alienation Act, 1868', in Queensland Heritage, Volume 1, No. 5, pp.9-20, (Brisbane, State Library of Queensland, 1965/6) available here: 
https://www.gympie.qld.gov.au/documents/40008872/40011644/WildheartBountifulLand.pdf
Noosa website referring to Kabi Kabi people as the correct people for that area:
https://www.visitnoosa.com.au/our-custodians
Book reference to Kabi:
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=2tqPVekm6vMC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=Petrie,+Kabi&source=bl&ots=uHiVvfYkej&sig=ACfU3U3GK6S40CPpygBVWjF4nsEkM3JpMg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj10siO48jnAhXOT30KHTTQBe8Q6AEwA3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Petrie%2C%20Kabi&f=false
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=e6WBCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT179&lpg=PT179&dq=Petrie,+Kabi&source=bl&ots=ldqEzS7dqo&sig=ACfU3U2-CWhmAUDAyIFQzJqyr67ak4A5TA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj10siO48jnAhXOT30KHTTQBe8Q6AEwCXoECAwQAQ#v=onepage&q=Petrie%2C%20Kabi&f=false
Photo reference in the National Library of Australia:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/191351845?q&versionId=208823367
Wikigetsme123 (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  references to Kabi tribe and early maps