Talk:List of Lost characters/Archive 6

message: In the character infobox, it says centric episodes and most of the characters have either Exodus: Part 1 or 2 in their list.  Though they did have flashbacks in the 3-part season finale, the episode did not centre on them and I suggest we do not count the episode.  --thedemonhog 22:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox: Exodus as centric episodes

message: When did that name appeared or mentioned in the show? I don't recall that name. Please give citations or revert. Thank you, --Janarius 22:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mikhail Bakunin? 

message: So when will she be allowed her own page? I know Lost pages don't necessarily need to follow the trends of other shows on wikipedia, but on other shows, characters who have had many fewer appearances receive their own page. In fact, Bernard has been in fewer episodes than Rousseau and he has had his own page. So far, he's only appeared in one season, whereas Rousseau has been in all 3. Her page would also be longer than his. Why wait for a flashback to create her own page?
67.86.8.180 04:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The rule we have been following to date regarding individual character pages can be found here.  Really, I don't care anymore about who has their own articles.  It really is a petty issue.  However, I still firmly believe that before someone makes this decision that it should be discussed and a consensus among editors should be reached.  For this reason, I think it is only fair to leave the page as a redirect until a consensus is reached.  Editing first and discussing later only leads to trouble. Jtrost (T | C | #) 14:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rousseau meets Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)#Fiction in Wikipedia, it's your prerogative if you wish to AfD it, however, but you have no consensus to a redirect. HTH. Matthew 14:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I AfD it, does it count as the first nomination or the second nomination?  --thedemonhog 18:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It hasn't been AfDd before so it would be the first, hope this helps. Matthew 18:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There appears to have been a prior AfD for a duplicate/similar Rousseau article prior on research (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danielle Rousseau (Lost)). None the less it doesn't appear to meet CSD G4. Matthew 18:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but should it be a second nomination?  --thedemonhog 18:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can append 2nd nom. if you wish, however this article is at a different location so I personally wouldn't consider it a 2nd, your choice anyway. Matthew 18:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll just make it 1st.  Thank you.  --thedemonhog 18:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Danielle Rousseau

message: Some of the recurring characters have potential (or at least more potential than some others) to merit their own articles, namely Christian Shephard, Alex Linus, Cindy Chandler, Ethan Rom, Danny Pickett and Edward Mars.  Should some or none be given their own pages?  Should we set a standard (say, a minimum of 10 episodes) or just make the page when it feels right?  --thedemonhog 03:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't set standards, pages just have to comply with Wikipedia guidelines and policies, as long as they meet them (such as WP:FICTION and WP:SIZE) then there's no reason why if a good amount of cited information can be written, that they can't have an article. Matthew 07:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but previously we did have a standard, which was why I was asking.  --thedemonhog 21:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  We've got a lot of "sand" guidelines, these will [emphasis added] be phased out, we should stick to Wikipedia wide guidelines and pure /consensus/. Matthew 22:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recurring character articles 

message: I added this a few days ago but it was deleted.. i didn't think it would be that big but apparently consensus is needed!!! every "guest star" from flight 815 (including two COSTARS scott and steve, as well as cindy who was usually a costar except for the other 48 days) has their own section, namely rose and bernard (their own articles).
anyway, here it is..
Nathan
*Played by: Josh Randall
*Appears in: "The Other 48 Days"
*Profession: unknown
Nathan was a tail-end survivor of Oceanic Flight 815. He was one of the few people not abducted by the Others, but was suspected to be one himself by Ana Lucia and Libby. Eko, however, did not agree with them, and after he was imprisoned in a pit dug by Ana Lucia, brought him food. After being in the pit for several days, Goodwin released Nathan in the middle of the night, giving him food and telling him to run away. Moments later, Goodwin snapped his neck, killing him instantly.
Goodwin was later revealed to be an Other, and claimed that Nathan "was not a good person."
Jwebby91 23:43, 13 March 2007 
:The reason I removed the Nathan section was because he appeared in only one episode.  He was a very important character to The Other 48 Days, but not to the rest of the series.  If we were to list every character who appeared in a single episode, this page would get very crowded and hard to keep track of.  As for Scott and Steve, they are about as important as Vincent and Aaron and there is not consensus to keep them in the article.  --thedemonhog 00:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Scott and Steve are very minor.  They are not at all as important as Vincent and Aaron.  These two are actually involved in some plotlines, unlike Scott and Steve.  They should be deleted as their entry seem more trivial then factual.—++ hippi ippi ++ 12:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that under the heading of Crash Survivors, an attempt should be made to mention (even if only in passing) the survivors we have seen and know the names of.  There may be no reason to include every minor Other or flashback character, but the survivors constitute an important and interesting aspect of the show.  If we can match a face to a name, and especially if they had lines, then they should have at least a teeny-tiny entry.  Keep Nathan, Sullivan and any others there may be.  After all, the Characters in Other Media section even includes names menioned only in website easter eggs!  Prom77 01:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nathan with his own section

message: I was pleased to see some more of the supporting players finally getting their own articles.  I'd like to know what people think about Aaron or Vincent getting articles. --T smitts 12:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since neither of them have had a major screen presence in any episode, I'd go with no. There's probably too many supporting characters articles as it is in my opinion. Tphi 14:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aaron or Vincent?

message: Everything says its not confirmed they are dead... but they got buried pretty deep. It doesn't make one bit of since that they could still be alive. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.165.45.217 (talk) 19:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A "Smoke Monster" doesn't really make sense either.  Whether or not they are dead at tis time is still not known. - Charleca 19:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They have been confirmed dead by Damon Lindelof and Kiele Sanchez here: http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800011706  --thedemonhog talk contributions 23:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not necessarily dead! If you check Kiele's and Rodrigo's profile at IMDb, you can see that the have acted in the following episodes of the season. --Andrés 08:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is true, but it could only be in flashbacks.  However, if you want to follow the typical Lost fashion, remember what Locke said to Paolo when Paolo was burying the Matryoshka doll - something like "Things buried on this island don't stay buried" (I don't remember the exact comment). - Charleca 12:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDb is not reliable as it is user-edited and not monitored to the extent of Wikipedia.  --thedemonhog talk contributions 22:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDb can't be so wrong to publish that they are acting in at least four more episodes. And I don't think that they are going to be in flashbacks in all of them. No character is in so many flashbacks in a row! --Andrés 23:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, IMDb is so wrong.  Check out ABC Medianet for the real guest casts.  --thedemonhog talk contributions 15:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nikki and Paulo not confirmed dead? 

message: "Island inhabitants
The following are residents of the islands who arrived prior to the crash of Oceanic Flight 815 or were brought to the island by separate means."
Does this sentence need to change to reflect that Alex (born on the island) neither arrived nor was brought to the island? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MickO'Bants (talk • contribs) 23:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How the Others arrived/Alex 

message: Should there be a section for minor characters? The artical is Characters Of Lost, not main characters of Lost. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DECBOY23 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Characters in non-speaking background roles aren't notable enough to be included. That's why there's Lostpedia. Tphi 16:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: There should at least be a small list or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DECBOY23 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We actually used to have a list on this page that included every islnad inhabitant, include a sentence long description and whether or not they had died.  See here.  Eventually, we decided that this was not something worthy of being on Wikipedia and this page now focuses on characters with at least two appearances and who have played a somewhat significant part in the storyline.  --thedemonhog talk contributions 15:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: What about Zach and Emma? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DECBOY23 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They have yet to play a significant part in the storyline. Also, please sign your posts Tphi 02:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor Characters?

message: Anthony Cooper should be in the island inhabitant section, not the flashback section. Also he should have his own page.86.41.205.147 17:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he doesn't. Read the discussion above. Tphi 23:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anthony Cooper