Talk:Reroute to Remain

message: I added a source listing the album ad "Death Metal", and changed the genre accordingly. --Wildnox(talk) 22:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here are the sources I found, one lists them as "death metal", another one as "metal" and the last one as "rock" (???? the guy sure didn't play the record, haha):
# http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=3521
# http://www.metalstorm.ee/pub/review.php?review_id=3792&page=&message_id=
# http://www.answers.com/topic/reroute-to-remain
Considering this, I'd just leave the genre as "metal" or maybe "metal, rock". --Dexter prog 14:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Because people will still edit it saying it is not "heavy metal" thing in heavy metal as Iron Maiden and editing it back to Alternative metal... --Dexter prog 21:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're not here to please all the random anons who come by to edit once or twice or POV push, but to be as correct as we can agree to be, and those are the only people I could imagine making that change. Alternative Metal is under the scope of Heavy Metal as a sub genre. People assuming Heavy Metal to be synonymous only with NWOBHM rather than the entire genre as awhole are, for lack of a better phrase, ill informed. --Wildnox(talk) 21:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, lets try it. But if edit wars start happening again, I will roll it back to debated. --Dexter prog 22:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wanna add, "Involving users who have actually been in the talk page at least once" to that maybe? I just want to ensure the lot I mentioned before don't just use your message as a tool.(Meaning "Oh look all I have to do is make one edit and it's down" kind of thinking) --Wildnox(talk) 22:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Will you take everything I say as an offence?. If edits wars start again, I will put back debated or maybe the sourced genre provided abobe by some user I don't remember.  Anyway, this does not concern Reroute to remain. --Dexter prog 23:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not taking it as an offense. I was the user who added the sourced genre in the past. --Wildnox(talk) 23:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: So we have Scandinavian Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal/Black Metal, Hard Rock and metal. I still think debated is a better choice. --Dexter prog 00:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't leave that as the genre forever, especially when we have sourced possibilities. Maybe a straw poll of all the ones we have sourced can solve this, or at least help establish a basis of consensus? --Wildnox(talk) 00:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, where did whe get Scandinavian Metal and Black Metal from? --Wildnox(talk) 00:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  From here: http://www.answers.com/topic/reroute-to-remain
We can leave it as debated, Cradle Of Filth's genre has been set to debated a long time ago and it continues that way... Anyway, I don't know what we should do. Is that thing about the poll accepted by wikipedia? --Dexter prog 01:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I've been opposed to that decision on that article, as it essentially means that there will never be an attempt at a consensus in the future, which violates Wikipedia:Consensus. I can support "debated" as a short term solution until consensus is reached, but never as a long term solution as that article has. Straw polls have been used many places on wikipedia in the past, they aren't the be all and end all, but they can work well with small articles like this. --Wildnox(talk) 01:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Yes, lets do a poll then, I agree. --Dexter prog 01:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I always suggested "melodic death" instead of "gothenburg" to avoid confusion that may cause to people who are not familiarized with the term gothenburg. But anyway, there are people who still believe "melodic death memtal" should not be there, involving the article in a constant war... --Dexter prog 01:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with "Melodic death metal" as the genre. --Wildnox(talk) 01:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the genre should be Alternative metal and Melodic death metal, but yes some people seem to cringe at fact of calling this album melodic death metal just because it changed in sound from In Flames's previous albums. The article does state that this album is considered a transition between Clayman and STYE. Transition meaning it kept some old sounds and added some new ones. --Leon Sword 02:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  People don't cringe at calling this album melodeath because they changed sound, they cringe because the album is quite blatantly not melodic death metal (or more appropriately, Gothenburg metal).  It lies somewhere in between hard rock and mallco---oh, I'm sorry.  Nu "metal." Ours18 00:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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