Talk:Edgewood Arsenal human experiments

message: This article needs a complete rewrite: the current text is unsourced, apparently highly POV, and appears to be written by someone whose first language is not English. The topic seem to be real  , but beware, it appears to be of great interest to conspiracy theorists. -- Karada 18:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I completely agree with the above writer, this article's second half is completely biased and non-neutral, as Wikipedia should be. This entire article should be re-written. I'm going to recommend to Wikipedia it be removed until the article can be rewritten in a non-biased way, with verifiable and supportive information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.254.40.129 (talk) 21:52, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is a bald-faced propaganda treatise and should be deleted.--Reedmalloy (talk) 09:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Biased article

message: whilst i strongly feel that this article should exist, the current state of it is terrible. it reads like an essay, it's unreferenced, large portions of it are written in the first person, and the general tone is very unencyclopaedic. a complete rewrite with references is needed, but it has the potential to be a very interesting article if this happens. --Kaini (talk) 05:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed -- current article is total garbage. I'm planning on working on this and a lot of other articles related to human experimentation in the United States soon. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 06:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  first-person, NPOV, unreferenced... and many other problems 

message: This unreferenced paragraoh contradicts Ketchum in part, who gave the average time of a subject as two months. Maybe multiple visits were involved? Needs clarification and a source citation. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 20:05, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed an uncited paragraph 

message: Both Medical Research Laboratories and  Medical Research Laboratory appear as official names in publications back then, both referring to the Edgewood Arsenal lab. I'm not sure which one is correct or if the official title changed slightly at some point. USAMRICD's web site does not have a history page (perhaps understandable). 86.121.18.17 (talk) 06:22, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laboratory vs. Laboratories 

message: I have moved "Edgewood Arsenal experiments" to "Edgewood Arsenal human experiments". This article, in my opinion, has been mis-titled all along. The vast majority of "experiments" occurring at Edgewood Arsenal did not involve human-use research. Nothing in the article relates to all that work, only to the human subjects. BTW, I am not endorsing the article's quality otherwise, which is very low indeed... Valerius Tygart (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Title addition

message: * CIA brain experiments pursued in veterans’ suit - Washington Post (November 24, 2010).  
*Vietnam Veterans of America, et al. v. Central Intelligence Agency, et al. Case No. CV-09-0037-CW, U.S.D.C. (N.D. Cal. 2009) 
:Filed at United States District Court for the Northern District of California. 
:Documents filed in the case: 
:Press release:
:: "The research programs at issue, many of which were concentrated at the Army's facilities at the Edgewood Arsenal and Fort Detrick, Maryland, allegedly involved the testing of more than 400 different chemical and biological substances during a period spanning five decades, and involved tens of thousands of active duty military personnel. The substances tested ranged from drugs or chemicals (sarin, LSD, BZ, mustard gas, and a THC analog called “red oil”) to biological weapon agents such as tularemia and Q-Fever."
* Manufacturing Madness, New Yorker, (December 10, 2012) 
: Includes video from Edgewood Arsenal Facility. 
Moscowamerican (talk) 11:23, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: source to add to article

message: This source  refers to 1000 developing serious psychological complications and 7000 unwitting soldiers. Although it mentions the CIA, the total number involved and the location suggest it's referring to the same experiments. Especially as this article quotes something "all signed informed consent forms, both a general one and another related to any experiment they were to participate". This article seems to imply, the primary dispute over the informed consent was whether there was coercion. Of course there's always likely to be dispute over how well subjects were informed over the risks with something that old, still is this and area of significant dispute? Also does anyone know where the 1000 developed complications came from? Nil Einne (talk) 03:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  1000 developed serious psychological complications and unwitting 

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