Talk:Soudal Quick-Step

message: I didn't know about the Dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles, but my question is: has De Maar a double nationality? In 2010 he was registered as a Dutch rider, but then he was allowed to participate in the Netherland Antilles Cycling Championships. LegendK (talk) 22:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia uses the (rather OR, imho) concept of sporting nationality, whereby registration/representation trumps place of birth or place of birth of parents in determining nationality.  The UCI registered him as Dutch in, and I presume up to, 2009, but as Antillean in 2010 and this year.  They won't have done that unilaterally: he must have requested it.  I doubt that changes his rights as a Dutch citizen (even since the changes in October last, Curacao remains part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands: this change was roughly parallel to Wales disbanding, Glamorgan being integrated into England as a county, and Powys gaining a status equivalent to Scotland: membership of the UK is unchanged).  But his sporting nationality makes no statement about his status as a voter or passport holder, it describes who he does/would represent in a  sporting context.  Kevin McE (talk) 06:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this news, De Maar changed  UCI registration just before the national championships. There is/was no legal Antillian nationality, as far as I can tell. His website says the UCI change became official on 23 June 2010. I read some rumours indicating that De Maar would not be allowed to wear his Antillian champion jersey after the Antilles were dissolved, but I can not find official confirmation of this; however I see no more pictures of him in that jersey after that date.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 07:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Netherlands Antilles Olympic Committee, the sporting nationality of these people is still up in the air a bit. As IOC recognition has not been withdrawn (although it is expected in June 2011), it is more than possible that De Maar still has a sporting nationality of Netherlands Antilles - even if with the doomed nature of the NOC it is meaningless. The trouble we have, as I see, is whether the UCI website is an up-to-date source - what kind of time-lag do they have? Is assuming any other (sporting) nationality than what the UCI says OR? SeveroTC 08:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The daughter organisation of the UCI for the Americas is the Pan American Cycling Confederation (COPACI): the national federations page on copaci.co.cu lists the Netherlands Antilles, but that link now points to CuracaoCycling.com (I've no idea what it would have pointed to prior to October).  That website reports De Maar as the winner of its national championships last year.  We know that the UCI considers his official representative nationality to be a country that they codify as AHO, and we can assume that that code came about from the French Antilles Hollandaises, but this link via copaci is the nearest we have to any evidence as to where the UCI currently consider that link refers to.  I don't think it is tenable to have a flag stating that a rider's nationality is a country that does not exist.  Kevin McE (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: One more reason why we shouldn't talk about 'sporting nationality', but something like 'National Cycling Federations represented'. Instead of  we should use  Fabian Cancellara (SUI), at least for recent cyclists. But that'll take some work. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 06:37, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Marc De Maar

message: I don't know who he is and how he got in. someone have to edit it out.Tushyk (talk) 10:11, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Pat Barnett got into squad