Talk:Ingsoc

message: Spoiler Tag: Is it just me or does the soiler section become one long horizontal box ? If so what can be done about it ? ~ User-Fenix(dont remember my login atm)
Victory Gin was for Outer Party, not for Proles. 217.98.138.204 19:26 Apr 7, 2003 (UTC)
You are correct sir! I have accordingly substituted "beer" and added the other distractions described by Orwell. 
Also moved the V. Gin up to the outer party para. With respect to that and cigs being the only vices: the encounter between Winston and the prole prostitute is problematic, as it is clear that he, exemplifying all male party members, derives no pleasure from the act; it's also clear that his relationship with his estranged wife is also meant to be typical of marriage in this world.
Ellsworth 23:58, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 2003-2005

message: has anyone else noticed that the name Insoc has almost identical origins to nazi?  was this intentional/interesting enough to put into the article?--CallmeNiel 19:23, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. For onr thing I believe Orwell spoke for the need for a specifically "English socialism" (one which respected English traditions of freedom etc rather than a nationalistic one) in Ihe Lion and the Unicorn so I think it may be wry nod to that A Geek Tragedy 17:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Insoc vs Nazi

message: The image on this page seems to be taken from this webcomic under fair use. It seems to me that since the image has no official connection to the book (correct me if I'm wrong) then there's little point using it, especially when someone could draw a freely licensed alternative in about five minutes. Any comments?
--Cherry blossom tree 11:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually agree with you, it is a good image but someone could easily make an alternative.  If we keep the image then there would be little motivation to make a freely licensed one. --Keithg 04:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at the Google Images results for "INGSOC". The same logo appears in 5 of the first 18 results. It's not from the 1984 movie (this is the logo from that movie). Just things to consider.--Porsche997SBS 00:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is released under the Free Art License anyway, so this image is free. ~ Switch (✉✍☺☒) 13:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The image is free, but pointless.  I have removed it. Rangek 14:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: What evidence is there that the Party could be considered "far-right" as this article claims? -- LightSpectra (talk) 01:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, this section keeps getting changed, so I'm going to ask one more time. As far as I am aware, Orwell wrote 1984 as a criticism of Stalinism. Everything that happens in 1984 can be someway related to the 1930s era of the USSR. Therefore, the ideology should be Stalinism, and the political position should be far-left. Is there any objections to this claim: make them now or I'm going to change the box, and then revert any succeeding edits to it as vandalism. -- LightSpectra (talk) 18:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Isn't it generally agreed to be a criticism of totalinarianism, regardless of the claimed philosophy of the regime? The fact that it's based on a socialist regime gone bad is not relevant imho, since Orwell was himself a (mostly democratic) socialist. He fought for the Marxist party in the Spanish Civil War, after all. And as an allegory, I think it points to the duplicity of all politicians in whatever circumstances, and warns us to be suspicious of our leaders' motives and especially their rhetoric. If it's of any interest, he based much of the philosophy and methods of Ingsoc on the ideas of James Burnham's Managerial Revolution, as he made clear once in a piece of journalism (although I can't find a reference I'm afraid).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.27.216.223 (talk) 17:11, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Found it here: http://www.george-orwell.org/James_Burnham_and_the_Managerial_Revolution/0.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.27.216.223 (talk) 17:19, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Far-right 

message: Hey, "obliteration of the self" redirects here, but those words don't appear on this page. 
This means that if someone searches for "obliteration of the self" they are given no specific text relating to that phrase, and why they have been brought here. 75.73.32.46 (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  obliteration of the self 

message: A user recently changed the "Political Position" section of the infobox to "Far-Right", after which the correction was made by another user that changed it to its status at the time I'm writing this, so that it reads "far-right/far-Left." Since this essentially expresses the same conclusion reached above, that the political philosophy in the book incorporates aspects of both far-left and far-right ideologies, I'm going to revert it to its original status (Syncretic). If anyone disagrees, it should be discussed, rather than anonymously altered to read "far-left" or "far-right" one way or the other.--Apjohns54 (talk) 18:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Changes to Infobox 

message: Is everything in here found in the book?  It seems to me (and, admittedly, I haven't read the book in decades) that much in here is either purely speculative, or at least the product of someone other mind than Eric Blair's. 98.82.1.253 (talk) 16:57, 15 August 2010 (UT)
::I agree, this article lacks notability. It's a description of the political system in 1984. It belongs in novel's article, if anywhere. I'm going to add a "in-universe" template and hope someone takes notice. --Soren84 (talk) 11:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source? 

message: What does the big V in the Ingsoc symbol mean? --80.108.153.176 (talk) 06:30, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I too would like to know what the V stands for. --212.186.0.108 (talk) 20:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, folks! As far as I know, the v allegedly stands for vector. --212.186.14.29 (talk) 17:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The V 

message: The second half of the lead paragraph is difficult to follow:
"Occurs commonly with the term newspeak which is as referred by Syme (one of Winston's co-workers) as nothing but destroying words and synonyms and antonyms to eliminate confusion."
PurpleChez (talk) 14:40, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  lead paragraph 

message: This article seems to be confusing Ingsoc(the ideology) for The Party(the political party that governs Oceania), all the while giving very little information about the ideas behind Ingsoc itself: It does not even explain the mottos(war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength), which are the foundation of the English socialist ideology. instead, this article describes the history of The Party in Oceania, the social structure in Oceania, and a vague description of the political situation in other parts of the world.
therefore, I suggest that all instances of Ingsoc being referred to as being The Party(which never happens in the book) removed, as well as renaming the page itself "The Party(Nineteen eighty-four)" because it's a more appropriate name, and to avoid ambiguities. --Wells32 (talk) 16:14, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name of this article is wrong 

message: Due to the book and party obviously being based on Stalinist USSR, and being confirmed by Orwell, Ingsoc should have the Stalinist ideology.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.56.227.128 (talk) 06:40, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia does not permit original research. If it is not mentioned in the book, it is not included in this article. CentreLeftRight ✉ 08:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stalinisim 

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