Talk:Hand-held camera

message: Does this article still need to be under the category of "Filming stubs?" --GHcool 21:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks on the fence. It does have two other sections, but one is very small, and the other is a list that should be (IMHO) deleted. Too much has been handheld to list. I'd say leave it for now; hopefully enough editing will be done in the future to make the non-stubness obvious. Girolamo Savonarola 21:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub 

message: This article was incorrect.  Hand held camera work was invented by Michel Brault and used in 1958 in a documentary called Les Raquetteurs.  Sources and references were put to support this -- and someone removed them.  
I am correcting this again.  An exerpt from the 1958 film has been put.
Hopefully the fact hand held camera has not been invented by an American, or a French, will not be seen as a encyclopedic problem.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.64.161 (talk • contribs) 
:I'm afraid you are mistaken.  The technique of hand-holding a camera is as old as cinema itself.  The article already mentions World War II documentary footage.  The Michel Brault thing might be interesting if reliable citations were provided, but its hardly the "beginning" of the hand-held camera.  --GHcool 17:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The French New Wave is not an area of expertise for me, so I'll take your word that all of the information you present is accurate.  The only objection I had was the implication that the French filmmakers of the 1950s "invented" or "began" using hand-held shots, when clearly that is not the case.  It might also be useful to provide inline or footnote citations for your New Wave section.  As for the quote at the bottom of the page, Wikipedia protocol calls for such sections to be integrated within the article and discourages a "Quotes" section.  If you are so inclined (and if you have the resources to do so), it might be worth giving a brief summary of hand-held camera usage from 1970-present.  I don't have any serious resources that provide information for such this period and so I am reluctant to add this for fear of violating WP:NOR.  For example, The Blair Witch Project, for better or for worse, made creative use of the hand-held camera that brought new popularity to the technique.  Children of Men recently got an Oscar nomination for Best Cinematography for its bold use of hand-held camera.  United 93 also used the hand-held camera to achieve a "realistic" effect.  --GHcool 22:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please also cite the Rouch quote more accurately (ie, issue number, date, and page, or as much is possible; a weblink, even). I'd also be much happier if there was some more citation from outside sources who did not work with Brault. Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola 22:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: As I said, all we're looking for are citable references from reliable sources. I'm quite curious to learn about this - that all being said, please be aware of WP:POV and WP:NOR guidelines, especially with regard to lines like cinéma verité was basically Brault's work with a new catch phrase, if you plan to discuss this in articles, as these statements will be considered contentious and original research without proper citations. It's generally a good guideline when adding anything that might be considered "off" to have this all at hand to keep the matter as transparent as possible. Please also considered creating an account. It allows us to discuss this more directly without having to guess if your IP will remain stable (or have a constant user), among other things. Thanks! Girolamo Savonarola 04:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong

message: In this day of relatively inexpensive digital HHCs it seems weird to find no info on such devices in this article.  More so when Cloverfield links here. Luis Dantas (talk) 04:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digital cameras 

message: This should be merged in with the Cinéma vérité article, as it's exactly the same thing. This usage suggests that those who do use it were simply ignorant that it was already an established and much discussed approach to filmmaking. It's no different than if I started saying that I like to paint in a "Zebra-style" which to me meant my paints featured both areas of dark shadow while having bright spots of natural light. Any person who has even had only Art Appreciation 101 knows I'm talking about chiaroscuro.    RoyBatty42 (talk) 00:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I agree with you there.  Few (if any) would argue that a movie like The Bourne Ultimatum is an example of cinema verite.  It seems like original research to say that all hand-held shots are an example of cinema verite.  --GHcool (talk) 01:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cinéma vérité 

message: The article Shaky camera discusses the same concept as Hand-held camera except that it has less about the 1920s and 1950s, and less about camera specifics. Instead, the Shaky camera article has more about the 1960s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s. I propose that the two articles be merged into one comprehensive article going from early handheld experiments to 1950s and 1960s avant-garde "Shaky Camera" (Jonas Mekas's term) through to "Shaky Cam" as defined by Sam Raimi in the 1980s and beyond. Binksternet (talk) 22:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but the name of the article should be "hand-held camera" as this is the standard name for the technique used in the film industry.  --GHcool (talk) 19:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Hand-held camera should be the article which tells the story. "Shaky camera" and "shaky cam" are two alternate terms. Binksternet (talk) 14:01, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

text: No.  They are two different things.  Hand-held means held with hand.  Shaky camera is where the camera shakes and could be held with hand or done in post production to give the shaky effect. 66.32.100.238 (talk) 06:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a degree in cinema and have worked in the film industry all of my adult life and have never heard the term "shaky camera" in an academic or in a work-related context.  This discussion is the first time I've encountered the term.  It is not a real term used by anybody.  --GHcool (talk) 00:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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message: Anyone else want to add Michel Gondry? Most, if not almost all, of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, is handheld. AndrewOne (talk) 03:28, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Directors' section

message: Reading Single-camera setup for the first time, I am surprised to learn that this is the traditional standard deluxe way of filming, by shooting one scene over and over again from different angles -- it has nothing to do with Hand-held camera technique! I might not be the only reader who comes with this confusion. Right now these articles are not cross-linked and do not address these two separate subjects in a way that lets readers of one article know about the other. Please help improve these articles by pointing readers also to the other topic.-71.174.185.30 (talk) 21:40, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single-camera vs. Hand-held 

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