Talk:Sony/Archive 1

message: I wonder why there is no mention of their recent financial woes? --CharlesC 10:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Financial woes

message: I notice that Columbia Pictures is a redirect to this page; Columbia had a long and interesting history before Sony bought them in 1989, and it really should have its own article. I'll go ahead and start on it, though I don't have much time at the moment. -lee 16:14, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Columbia

message: background on the sony brand:
from :
In 1958, Tokyo Tsushin Kogyo, which was gaining recognition for its Sony brand goods, changed its name to Sony Corporation. The name "Sony" is easy to pronounce and read in any language.
from :
Following registration of the Sony trademark and the company's rebirth as Sony Corporation, plans to internationalize, diversify operations, and widen brand recognition were successfully implemented
This shows that the Sony brand it trademarked, and existed prior to "Sony Corporation". It was a brand of the "Tokyo Tsushin Kogyo" 
Christopher Mahan 18:56, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: From [[Talk:Sony]]

message: (from Wikipedia:Requested moves)
====Sony Corporation → Sony====
*im beautiful This will move the page back to where it was for at least 3+ years until yesterday, which I think counts as consensus. It was moved by one user wanting to reflect an obscure quirk of Japanese corporate law in a completely not-useful way. The two pages listed on the new Sony page are subsidiaries of Sony Corp, so could equally well still be linked after the move. -- Dtcdthingy 11:30, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move discussion 

message: *im beautiful This will move the page back to where it was for at least 3+ years until yesterday, which I think counts as consensus. It was moved by one user wanting to reflect an obscure quirk of Japanese corporate law in a completely not-useful way. The two pages listed on the new Sony page are subsidiaries of Sony Corp, so could equally well still be linked after the move. -- Dtcdthingy 11:30, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sony Corporation]] → [[Sony]]

message: "Until late 2004, Sony's various digital portable music players did not support even the de facto standard MP3 natively, although the software provided with them would convert MP3 files into the ATRAC formats."
I've seen other articles on the internet about this too, but it doesn't appear to be true.
Look at these:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/026-0806288-3435660
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008W7LI/qid=1110469622/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8__i1_xgl23/102-6766395-9483344?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846
The D-NE511 and D-NE510 (seems to be US variant) Atrac CD Walkmans, both available from Amazon since March 2003. I have a 511 which I bought in August '03, and I can assure you it can play any old normal MP3 just stuck onto a plain old ISO9660 format CD-R/RW.
CD Walkmans are also "digital portable music players", are they not? I don't see what's not digital or portable about them...
:Indeed. I've fixed it to say Network Walkmans, since they are the product line meant. --Dtcdthingy 05:24, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't get this: 

message: Is it still "Like No Other"?
I haven't heard that one before. The slogan used for the last few years, at least here in Australia, has been "It's a Sony"
It's said in an American accent, and the ads are filmed in America, so I can only assume it's the American slogan as well.
I am hesitant to edit without others agreeing, however.
:: The slogan varies of division for division and time. "Sony Style" was the big part of the group in last years. Currently doesn't have a defined slogan, only the remote concept of "Sony World" - "life style"
:::: Right now the oficial slogan for SOA (Sony of America) is "Sony: Like No Other" according to different advertisements both in U.S.A. and in Latin America. Also continous mentions to "Sony Style" as a "door" to the "Sony Experience" .Sony is trying to develop a unified, global customer experience, it appears. But as always Sony is "sligthly" disorganized and a lot of faults occurr... Anyway, If a "Slogan" section in the article is created, it should mention the most used occurrences (The ones mentioned above). Your thoughts? --Ziggrrauglurr 17:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slogan 

message: I don't want to open a can of worms here, but technically this wasn't a rootkit, was it?  It was nasty and used techniques to hide the software which rootkits use, but I don't think it was really a rootkit.  And there's no need to mention it twice, both in "Digital Rights Management" and "Legal". 193.134.254.145 18:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rootkit debate 

message: I've snippets of a story online about one division of Sony suing another at one point.  Does anyone have this full story? --ZachPruckowski 00:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sony vs. Sony

message: I would like to start a page for Braivia users in the UK. It would have details of the Freeview software updates and more detailed explanations of the tv functions --86.141.167.210 18:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bravia in the UK

message: Hi, has anybody seen a documental that tells the story of how seven japanese came to the USA and Germany, trying to open the market to the Sony radio?  It was a very nice documental, lots of information, very very entertaining, it was in japanese, I saw it with spanish subtitles.
At the end appears Akio Morita (I think), who is sitting next to the host, then the host hands him the first radio, a red one, and he says: "I've forgotten that it was so heavy" with a surprised face :) :P
Any ideas of the name?
thanks.
Acrilico 01:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By "documental" I'm assuming you mean "documentary"? I'm not familiar with that documentary, though I'd be interested in seeing it. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 01:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Nihonjoe, I found it! Well, actually a friend of my mother has it, it's in VHS, and they asked me to pass it to a CD, so I'll keep you informed about it, bye! --Acrilico 23:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great. (^_^) I'll be interested to learn more about it. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 03:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony documental 

message: YA I'M LOOKING FOR THE THE INVENTER OF SONY ANYONE HERD OF HIM BECUSE I'M DOING THIS FOR A PROGECET AT SCHOOLE MY ENGLISH SUCKS SO I HOPE YOU CAN HELP ME THANKS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.174.135.52 (talk • contribs) .
:Sony is a company, so no one "invented" it, per se. Did you read the article? It talks about the founders of the company. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  S*ny came out of a monkey's backside and has been thrown at the world with an indignant shriek ever since. There is your story of invention right there. SotiCoto 11:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: School project

message: I see this page has had a lot of vandalism recently.  Is that common on this page or is it just because of Sony's recent media prominence (with the new playstation announcements)?  If it is just a recent and temporary thing, could we have one of those "no edits unless you're logged in" locks on the page?  TastyCakes 21:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Didn't Sony help develop the "plus" writable DVD formats? It's part of the DVD+RW Alliance, but that and the "plus" formats aren't mentioned here. --Evice 18:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD+R(W) 

message: Where is this "soh-nee means business is bad" thing taken from?  Sō ne (そうね）means "that's right" or "indeed"; sōni (僧尼) is "monks and nuns", but would probably not be understood unless written. Jpatokal 11:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took that line about Sonny-boys from Akio Morita's book "Made in Japan"
^ That response doesn't address "soh-nee" being attributed in the article to mean that "business is bad."  That phrase in Japanese is a gentle (i.e. more likely feminine), and direct (familiar, intimate) way of indicating agreement with the addressee to something understood from context (e.g. what was just said).  It is much too common of a phrase (for obvious reasons) to ever be interpreted with such a narrow and ultra-specific connotation such as "business is bad." Bkcone 00:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe it isn't to be taken in the translative wording sense, but rather because S*ny are in fact so purely evil that everything they touch becomes corrupt? That definitely seems like "business is bad" to me. SotiCoto 11:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With the spelling "Sonny", with double n, some Japanese would pronounce the word ソンニー (sonnii), which sounds similar to 損に (son-ni), meaning damage or loss. Thus, they changed the spelling with single n, Sony, which will be pronounced nothing but ソニー (sonii).   Those 2 Japanese websites confirm this, but I'm too lazy to search English citation. Kzaral 06:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soh-nee? 

message: The entire Sony page seems to have been messed up.  It's got the same basic page copied around 10 times and numerous other problems.  Any reasoning for this?
Robert, 67.126.87.205 04:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yes i noticed that too.  i tried my best to fix it up and get rid of duplicated parts.  hope i managed to do a good job. Integrity168 21:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Format problems? 

message: Hey mabye we should add the bleem cases of 2000 where Sony sued the emulator company which made a Psone emulator for the Dreamcast. For those who don't know its similar to the Lik Sang thing that happened, I think it should be added. --Elven6 02:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't Bleem! also make other emulator programs too? I don't remember but I think its a good idea if you wanna add something about Bleem!  I don't know enough about what happened myself... Integrity168 04:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bleem! 

message: I think that the size of the criticism section warrants a split. Comments? Additionally, wasn't there a CD thing that installed software onto peoples' computers? - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, having a separate page for the crimes of S*ny demonstrates how important it is to draw attention to them. To leave them in the main page itself typically means they will be toned down, which will fail to properly demonstrate just how despicably evil they are. SotiCoto 11:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: These are both good points. I believe that a brief review of the company's basic errors in judgement are essential to the article.  A separate article covering their mistakes and learned opinions about their apparent character would be welcome to me.  Needing to dig into a different thread to bring up such points may let the casual reader miss these.
I for one agree that there are some fundamentally serious problems about Sony's attitude towards consumers.  This makes them a major standout among most current large corporations. And a discussion including "only verifiable facts" may leave out a lot of dots that most readers can connect themselves.
FredH69 20:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for criticisms on Sony 

message: there should be some mention of masaru ibuka and Akio morita the founders of sony in a bombed out basement in 1946 - check superbrands uk Alkags 17:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a "History" section to entice other people to add to it, as well as including some links to Sony's website where there's lots more information. Tocharianne 16:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  history of SONY 

message: a) Molly Smith was manager of SCEA PR since PS1 or so, 10+ years, you can verify with google.
b) top hit for sony graffiti PSP on google is this article:
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,69741,00.html
Quotes from article
Other cities targeted in the campaign include New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Miami, according to Sony spokeswoman Molly Smith.
When asked about the criticism, Smith countered that art is subjective and that both the content and the medium dovetailed with Sony's belief that the PSP is a "disrupter product" that lets people play games, surf the internet and watch movies wherever they want.
[emphasis added]
Since I'm not registered I'll let someone who has the access to the page edit it. You can find additional citations quite easily with google, and if you include Molly Smith as keywords you can see official sony PR comments/statements on it.
10:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Cryptonymius 19:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  easy enough to find citation on sony psp graffiti (re: citition needed) 

message: 
KremlinGB 13:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done.  That is neither neutral nor a reliable sourced for something as serious as legal issues. Proto ► 20:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add missing info to Lik-Sang and Grey Goods Importation 

message: I noticed that a big part of the article (more than 1/3) deals with controversies Sony caused in the last few years. This section is too big and seems to be POV. I suggest cuttng it down and I will attempt to do so now. Corrections welcome. -- Repetition 17:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that's a good idea. Of course, another way to change the balance is to expand the other parts of the article. GlassFET 17:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies are relevant, but should not dominate the article 

message: This page is vandalized someone revert it.-I am a shadow 18:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=451414&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
This should definitely be included somewhere.
:Done. Now, I'm gonna go take a puke. -Skorpus McGee 15:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That article is fake that site anualy makes joke newsletters like that —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.185.24.4 (talk) 00:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ecapitated%20goat/article.do - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This story WAS on the front of the Mail on Sunday on 29 April 2007. Fact. Mark83 22:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its fake look at this article it explains it all http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/30/sony-explains-god-of-wars-dead-goat-antics/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.185.24.4 (talk) 21:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NSFW. Fake, huh? - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They could have photoshoped or it could had been a fake prop but it never happend and the article is fake I already put up a link explaining this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.185.24.4 (talk) 11:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you even examine your evidence? - A Link to the Past (talk) 16:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So they diddn't use offal, the goat wasn't killed in front of everyone, and the reporter is discredited. The fact remains there was a dead goat there, and it was used to sell GoW2. -Skorpus McGee 23:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: They displayed a nearly beheaded goat to advertise a game, and people reacted. Sony apologized. No matter how much it's being "exaggerated", it's controversial. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Goat Beheading

message: The article refers to ATRAC as a compression system.  This is not actually true.  It is a data reduction technique.  The resultant ATRAC data is still a recogniseable PCM coded data stream and can be decoded as such.  It is however missing some of the detail that is considered inaudible.  For transfer to Network Walkman type players it is further placed inside a Digital Rights Management 'wrapper' so that the data stream cannot be recovered.
Similarly, MP3 data streams are not converted to ATRAC as the article claims.  They too are placed inside a DRM wrapper so that the MP3 cannot be extracted, but they remain as MP3 encoded audio as the Walkman display data format display will confirm.
20.133.0.14 06:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ATRAC and MP3