Wikipedia talk:Scottish Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 4

message: It seems to me that it'd be a good idea to include links to the Scots and Scottish Gaelic wikipedias on the Portal. I don't ever deal with the portal, so I figured I'd put up a request for such a thing here (the Portal's talk page looks like it gets much less traffic, and isn't really the place to discuss it). Thoughts? Canaen 01:14, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I didn't spot this when you posted it. Yes, excellent idea: just go ahead and put in a wee box if you like. --Mais oui! 16:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scots/Scottish Gaelic Wikipedias 

message: I created an article for the prominent public artist George Wyllie from a red link and immediately got hit with a Speedy Deletion notice. Not best pleased about this when I consider the number of pages for one-time drummers in Finnish metal bands, etc. Anyway, folks, like to review the page and its deletion notice and enhance the case for a page on a mere Scottish artist? AllyD 11:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I figure the listing of works asserts notability, googling on the straw locomotive, so I've removed the tag. Shimgray | talk | 12:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding more content helps to assert notability - I put in a bit about the Straw Loco and an external link, I'm sure more can be added. ::Supergolden:: 12:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What a coincidence! I was just walking past his house in the sunshine yesterday. ...dave souza, talk 13:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speedy deletion - [[George Wyllie]] 

message: I've updated the Template:Scotland topics to be more in line with the Template:England topics but of course changed the colour scheme. I'll put this template on more Scottish pages (the ones listed on the template) and if not wanted for any reason, just go ahead and remove it. Cheers, AntzUK  21:11, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well after what seems like hours, I've added the template to most pages listed on it (with a few exceptions). Personally, I find it much easier to browse Scottish topics. --AntzUK  22:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the colour have to be quite so fierce? --Bob 17:54, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish Topics Template 

message: Doc Glasgow says in an Edit summary, regarding Rutherglen: "Rutherglen is the only name for this town":
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Is this the case? The Scots and the English names are Rutherglen, and I am certain that there must be a Gaelic name.--Mais oui! 13:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Infobox Scotland place with map]] 

message: The new highlighted article at Portal:Scotland is Scotland at the 2006 Commonwealth Games. Could people help out by creating stubs for the red-linked Scottish medallists? Also, please Watch and help improve these two articles:
*Commonwealth Games Council for Scotland
*Scotland at the 2006 Commonwealth Games
We are doing really well so far, certainly far better than expected, and this is a great opportunity to present the best of Scotland to Wikipedia readers.
While we are on the topic, it really is time that we get the Sport in Scotland article underway. I would start it myself, but... you know how it is... I keep getting distracted. --Mais oui! 17:48, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Scotland at the 2006 Commonwealth Games]] 

message: I have a personal target of creating a full page for each of the Castles in Scotland - alone, this may take some time (esp. since I'm a few hundred miles away at the moment).  I propose Wikiproject - Scottish Castles.  If there is suitable interest, I would like to create a template to incorporate as much information as possible about each castle.  I am still quite new to editing the Wikipedia so it will be a learning experience.  Any takers? Slink pink 13:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a biiiig job. But go ahead. Anybody can start a Wikiproject if they want to and as you say it will be a good learning experience. For background information remember that Nigel Tranter produced the seminal book on Scottish castles. You may be able to get it through your library. -- Derek Ross | Talk 20:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It would certainly take time, even with more than one of you. But I'd certainly be interested in joining such a wikiproject. ::Supergolden:: 09:54, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly is a BIG job, but I would be interested in participating. I have a few on my ToDo list, no doubt this would give me a few more ... :-) --Cactus.man ✍ 10:46, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bring it on: WikiProject Scottish Castles. Slink pink 13:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't forget to link it in to the main Wikiprojects page so that people who are browsing the Wikiprojects can see it. -- Derek Ross | Talk 15:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish Castles 

message: The kilt article has been tagged for clean-up since January of this year. The main problem with it is that the article does not actually say what a kilt is as the term is used in the article. As a result, the article does not contain an adequate description of what characterizes a kilt, how it is constructed, etc.
I am now seeking support for the resumption of a clean-up effort which was initially begun about a month ago but which was interrupted soon after it began by the beginnings of an edit war. Given strong enough support from several people, I will proceed. The clean-up which I propose involves major revisions to the kilt article, including the creation of new articles based on the current content of that article. These changes, including additional material discussed below, could not be accommodated within the current article as it would then be too long.
What I propose to do is:
# remove the material on kilt accessories as this material has already been incorporated into a new article of that name (kilt accessories);
# remove the material on the history of the kilt and incorporate it into a new article of that name;
# remove the material on contemporary kilts and incorporate it into a new article of that name;
# define the word kilt as it is to be used in the article (meaning, roughly, the traditional Scottish kilt) and then describe the basic construction of the kilt as so defined.
The kilt accessories article is defined broadly as dealing with everything worn with the kilt other than the kilt itslef. It still needs a section on the Inverness cape. The proposed history of the kilt article will need expansion by the addition of information related to 19th century developments such as the various pattern books, the Vestiarium Scoticum, and the introduction of knife pleating. The proposed contemporary kilts article could be expanded by more detailed discussion of the actual construction of these garments.
Once begun, the entire task (apart from the additions and expansions noted in the preceeding paragraph) should take no more than about 15 minutes since the articles have already been written.
Please leave any coments on the talk page of the kilt article.
JFPerry 17:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that JFPerry's proposals sound reasonable, in fact I would go further and say that they sound pretty good. I am not aware of the Edit war, but I will Watch the relevant articles. What do other SCOWNB participants think? --Mais oui! 18:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it JF. If you can accomplish that much in 15 minutes, more power to your elbow. --Cactus.man ✍ 19:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, please do. If you run into trouble like you did last time, let us handle it. It's a sad fact that on Wikipedia being an expert with good writing skills is not always enough. A stubborn (but tactful) streak is also required sometimes. And a few supporters don't go amiss either! -- Cheers, Derek Ross | Talk 20:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kilt article clean-up proposal