Talk:Hauptschule

message: This seems like a superfluous section without any real relation to the rest of the article. It might belong in an article on the US school system, but doesn't add anything to this article. GBMorris 20:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarities to Other Nations 

message: Personally, I find the text below dubious and exaggerated:
the opinion of the general public often being that Hauptschulen only harbor the bottom end of society. The graduation certificate is the Hauptschulabschluss, which like the assignment to other types high schools is less valuable than the Realschulabschluss or university-bound Abitur. Stereotypes of dysfunctional family backgrounds, absent and/or unemployed parents and domestic violence and alcohol abuse are often cited when describing what is believed to be the typical social origin of these students. Teachers often complain about ongoing difficulties in trying to properly educate them and parents refusing to take responsibility. Moreover, and based on these problems, it has become very hard for Hauptschule graduates to find qualified work 
While it is true that the Hauptschule is rarely the first choice among the educational alternatives in Germany, it does succeed in providing an appropriate general preparation for youngsters who, whether because of inclination, ability or family background are not intending later attendance at a university. Youngsters in the Hauptschule may encounter difficulty in finding employment or apprenticeship positions, but so do graduates of the Gesamtschulen, Realschulen and Gymnasien; all of whom have to come to terms with the difficulty economic situation in Germany since the reunification. Indeed, I think the context of dysfunctional families, alcoholism, etc has more to do with drop outs, rather than to Hauptschuler(innen) who, after all, are following a productive (if clearly not elite) path in life. 
I am tempted to adjust the text, but wanted first to see whether I could stimulate discussion. Do other readers share the view as currently included in the article?
--Philopedia 00:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I share your opinion that this passag should be changed. I think it is insulting.-- 95.88.136.199 (talk) 12:38, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exaggerated and Generally Questionable 

message: I agree to some of the comments I read here..
The author of that article didn't mention the Orientierungsstufe, which still exists in some states(Bundeslaender). The Orientierungsstufe includes the 5th and 6th grade and helps the teacher to give their advice(Empfehlung) by the end of the 6th grade. But finallly it's the parents decision whether they want to send their child in the Hauptschule or Realschule (I experienced that with a friend of mine).
Of course it is not possible to send your child to a Gymnasium, when his/her teacher gave an advice to a Hauptschule...
But I have to agree to the author of the second comment, the family income and the status of your education has a lot in common. Further it is also of importance where you did your high school diploma: for example in Hessen or in Bremen, like me (one of the states with very bad results within the Pisa test). To receive a high school diploma in Hessen is much more difficult than in Bremen..I by myself noticed that with friends who did their diploma in Niedersachsen...
Another example is the high school I've been.. during my 11th grade I learned quite as nothing new and had to face another big problem in german public schools, that I didn't knew before: cancellation of classes. Often we just didn't have classes because teachers were sick or the school just had no other teacher! Sad but true, often there was just no money for new teachers..so mostly we had trainee teacher, which often did a very good job. But the problem was that they were finished after one year..so what to do next?- hire a new teacher, who had to get to know his students first..get into the materials, then repeating the materials and so on..so there was often no time to learn new and important things...
As you see I am from Germany (maybe even by the mistakes..). And I think that nowadays it doesn't play a big role whether you went to a Hauptschule or not.. It is hard for every young person in Germany whether to get an apprenticeship training position (Ausbildung) or a job after you've studied..
edith —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Edith87 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if a Hauptschul-graduate finds a job depends on the region where he received his diploma. In Bavaria, where a big percentage of students graduates from one it is not that hard for a graduate to find a job. In other regions fewer students visit a Hauptschule and in some cities Hauptschule is only a choice for students, who have learning disabilities are leave primary school illiterate or innumerate. Many of those graduate from the Hauptschule still functionally illiterate and innumerate and they will have trouble finding a job. But those who leave a comprehensive illiterate and innumerate are facing the same problems.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.201.82.192 (talk) 14:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orientierungsstufe 

message: It should be mentioned that some state have already or plan to abolish Hauptschule.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.212.87 (talk) 18:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Abolishing Hauptschule

message: It is written "It has to be pointed out that while those schools are called "intermediate schools", they actually are no "intermediate school", because no school called "lower school" exists. Intermediate schools do not select students on aptitude."
I think, there is: the elementary school is the lower school. The University is a higher school. And the intermediate school is the school that in between. In Israel, that uses some terms in education that were translated from German (due to mass-immigration of intellectuals in the 30's), we have this term for a high school. A high school is not "high" - but in fact - middle. We also have a similar phrase for the Mittlere Reife.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.203.197.196 (talk) 13:10, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intermediate School 

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message: "Any student who went to a German elementary school can go to a Hauptschule or Gesamtschule afterwards, whereas students who want to attend a Realschule or Gymnasium need to have good marks in order to do so."
The way this is written, it leads one to understand that studentes who want to attend a Realschulle or Gymnasium must have good marks to go to Gesamtschule. 
I know it is not so; but that's what the phrase implies.  
Isn't it? 
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thread_title:  meaning