Talk:John Ordronaux (privateer)

message: Hello. I would like to work with other contributors to improve the quality and completeness of this article, which I feel is between START and STUB Class so far.
Would the previous contributors please work with me to establish the  primary sources used to research the information on  the web sites which are quoted as secondary source references?
I ask this so that the article can achieve a higher quality rating by quoting the primary source references on which it is based.
Many thanks,     
Wfm495 (talk) 17:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: This article is much improved from its December 2007 status. I think it is C Class with many issues remaining. The lead should summarize the article, but, for example, the circumstances of his birth belong into the body of the article. The style in often unencyclopedic, and the copyedit tag should definitely remain until the article is improved ("appears to have", "probably", "this clearly proved", etc. should be avoided). The style issues at times suggest original research and should be made more clear and the content should also be edited for flow. The inclusion of a whole essay is unnecessary, I amended the text in the end. It could perhaps be summarized (even though I read here how that would be a bad idea - I don't understand why). Perhaps there are free images that could be included in the article.
Also, just in general, writing sections on the talk page make the reading here easier. I added a banner from the Wikiproject Military history. It needs a task force asigned to it, there is a guide given (also, this Wikiproject doesn't use the C rating). Thanks! Hekerui (talk) 00:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. BTW you don't need to add hard line breaks () to create new lines, just hit the return key a couple times. Using hard breaks just creates unnecessary white space. – ukexpat (talk) 19:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: The article looks great, but do you think we could include some of the details of the amazing battle described in that large quote, where he fended off over 100 enemies through ingenious tactics? I'm not confident enough in myself to do that, but I really think that should be mentioned in the article. Remy Green (talk) 18:30, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The battle may be notable enough for its own article, perhaps the folks at WP:MILHIST can help. – ukexpat (talk) 18:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ack, the links to both articles about that battle don't work now! Remy Green (talk) 03:22, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle

message: John Ordronaux was Jewish. A Google search backs this up, but I don't know if there are academic sources that say so. But I'm 100% sure he was a Jew because he's a direct ancestor of mine and I'm a Jew, and my mom has been very clear about his Jewishness. If someone could insert that into an early part of the article, I would really appreciate it. I think it's important that the efforts of Jews in the War of 1812 be recognized. Thank you. Remy Green (talk) 03:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide links to some of those Google search results. As you know, we cannot rely on your uncited statement because family connections and recollections are not reliable sources. – ukexpat (talk) 16:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's the best I've found so far: http://bechollashon.org/database/index.php?/article/2838 casually mentions Ordronaux being a Jew. On page 92 of this there's another mention of it: http://americanjewisharchives.org/journal/PDF-back%20issues/2000/LII_1_2_2000.pdf . Remy Green (talk) 02:17, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd appreciate it if somebody more comfortable with editing articles than I am would add his Jewishness to the article. He's one of the most important American Jews of the 19th Century. 96.241.3.231 (talk) 19:17, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't sound like his mother, Joanna Hammond, would have been Jewish. Was his father a French Jew? His wife's name was Jean Marie Elizabeth Charretton, which doesn't sound Jewish either. Presumably she was your ancestor also? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:59, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gah I'll find something. It's a big deal in my family that Ordronaux was Jewish. I'll look. Remy Green (talk) 18:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

text: I came here to ask about this. The author of 'A Green Hand's first Cruise' (which reads like a novel, but was apparently based on the authors real experiences?) describes the captain as being 'a Jew by persuasion, a Frenchman by birth, [and] an American by convenience' (page 41). None of Ordronaux's relatives seem to have Jewish names though. Also notable is he describes this man (presumably Ordronaux) as being captain on the last cruise when it was captured. It's possible the book is a novel and he failed in his research (though this is still useful, as it shows within twenty years of the incident he was well-known enough as Jewish that it would be picked up in cursory research), though it's also possible, as the captain didn't come out on deck much, that the author was genuinely on the ship and wrongly assumed later that the man was Odronaux.2407:7000:899A:CD00:6C52:4194:BFAA:EB28 (talk) 12:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish