Talk:Illyria (Angel)

message: I've moved the lengthy rehearsal of Illyria's powers from the Character box to the main section.  Character boxes should be brief, and while the information I moved might be of interest to some, it is too detailed for its former location.  Instead I've placed it in the body of the article. Manticore 21:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: According to Joss Whedon and Amy Acker, Illyria survived the final battle against the Senior Partners of Wolfram & Hart. Her current status is unknown.
Is there any proof to this? Like an articale or something? --DBGFrost 00:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Plans for her in future works, mostly. The planned appearances in the IDW comics doesn't hurt either. For direct articles, search http://www.whedon.info for some. Majin Gojira 05:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There appears to be some inconsistency over this. Despite his appearances in the post-season5 comics, Gunn gets an 'unknown' status due to the ambiguity of 'Not Fade Away'. Why don't Illyria, Angel and Spike get the same treatment? After all, the comics are not canon and are not 'proof' that they survived.Jayunderscorezero 13:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Big ol' link citing Illyria as a cast member for the proposed Spike movie. Majin Gojira 14:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My point still exists. How is the currently non-existent Spike movie any better as a source than the comics? Until something definitive exists that proves otherwise, Illyria's status is unknown.Jayunderscorezero 15:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlike the EU material, this has the hallowed "Word of the Creators" behind it, which is largely what all of Buffyverse canon is based on. Seriosuly, look at the canon policy of this universe. If Joss or another major player says something, it's taken as Bible Truth. Majin Gojira 03:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I took your advice and went to the page that has the Buffy canon guidelines and I still have not been able to reach a definite conclusion. The rules themselves don't feature a definitive answer, even featuring the phrase "'canon' can be a fluid term that is interpreted differently by different people." I think that is the case here. Whilst I agree that the creators' word is the word of god in this case, I think that there is a difference between what a creator says about a character in an interview and what they actually put down on paper or on sceen. 'Planned' events are not canon; not yet anyway. Based solely on canonical material has actually been produced so far, the only conclusion we can reach is that Illyria's status is uncertain, as we last saw her at the end of 'Not Fade Away'. If the Spike movie is ever made, she can then definitely be considered alive, but until then, I still maintain that her status cannot be proven/disproven either way. Jayunderscorezero 15:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's a neutral stance to take. However, if you change one, you'll have to change the others as well (IE: Angel, Gunn, and Spike, as well as Illyria). I'm rather neutral on the subject myself, I'm just bringing up what evidene there is for the subject. I'd suggest bringing it up on the main wikiproject Buffy page. Majin Gojira 17:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illyria alive? 

message: I was under the assumption that Illyria was male (s/he says that s/he was a "God-king" several times). Is there any proof that the original Illyria was female? --Killaferra 22:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Official documents (press releases and what not) refer to Illyria as "Female". If that was not there, it would be far simpler to assume that Illyria was genderless--given that Illyria is a "Lovecraftian" horror - Majin Gojira 00:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender 

message: I removed the following paragraph from the "Character history" section:
:As depicted in an illustration of a statue of her in Vahla ha'nesh, Illyria's original form was monstrous. Illyria had five tentacles on either side of her torso which she used like arms; flexible and dexterous to the point she could clutch and operate weapons with them. She had two claw-like feet that allowed her to perch, much like an eagle. The rest of Illyria's form is obscured by armor, but her humanoid shape suggests that her head and torso are in much the same configuration as a human's.
It is just a written description of this image with a good amount of original research thrown in. Even without the OR issues I don't think this paragraph adds anything to the reader's understanding, given that the image in question already appears in the article. Camerafiend (talk) 04:05, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
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