Talk:Kim Dae-jung

message: My edits are based on news reports.
*Dispute Erupts Over Alleged Lobbying for 2000 Nobel Prize
* --Nanshu 03:29, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  News / refs 

message: :I think it's fair to mention that Kim has been accused (current version). We don't have to decide whether these accusations are true or not. Also, keep in mind the balance of the article (how important this is compared to the rest). Kokiri 09:32, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegations 

message: What is Kim's real birthdate, 1924.01.06 or 1925.12.03?
* None of the above. It was 1923. See the material below. -- QuantumK (talk) 06:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DoB 

message: seems like his name is spelled either Kim Dae-jung or Kim Dae Jung. both seems to have about equal support, but nytimes changed from the former to the latter in about 2001. either way, it is not "Daejung" so the article needs to be (re)moved. Appleby 22:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: Per the arguments given above by Appleby, and given that this was one of a series of dubious unilateral moves by a certain user, I have requested that this page be moved to Kim Dae Jung -- given the roughly equal frequencies of Dae-jung and Dae Jung, the officialness of the second would seem to tip the scales.
:Done. —Nightstallion (?) 07:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: This article leans too much on POV of Kim Dae Jung and his positive effects. This rotten president's negative points outweigh and foreshadow whatever scraps of good he did for South Korea. He continues to be a voice in Korean politics-a foreboding and cruel one, and this former president continues to be pro-communist. His ratings are very low-his image is of idiocy. 
The article gives an untrue impression of him, and it should be changed. ChockStock 18:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what all the Korean dictators said about him. Huangdi 23:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: What religion was he before he converted to Catholicism? Politics a (talk) 15:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: The lead to this article states that "Kim is the first and only Nobel laureate to hail from Korea." That is not completely correct. Charles J. Pedersen was born in present-day North Korea, the son of a Norwegian father and a Japanese mother. 83.80.18.68 (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only Korean? 

message: wasn't he widely called in the press as DJ  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.135.42 (talk) 10:20, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Nickname

message: Info you might want to add to Early life section:
From:
Hitchens, C. (1999). Letters to a young contrarian. Cambridge: Basic Books.
p. 90-91 (* - when p91 begins)
"I first met Kim Dae Jung, now the president of South korea and a Nobel Laureate for Peace, when he was living in exile in Virginia, under the disapproval of the Reagan administration. He * had survived one attempt by the South Korean junta to kill him and another attempt to kidnap him - this for the temerity of coming a close second in an election - and was in the process of deciding to go home and risk his life again. (When he did go, I went with him on his plane and am still proud of the fact that I was with him when he was rearrested.)"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.39.155 (talk) 05:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  extra info from C. Hitchens book 

message: Why there's 2 broken images on the article that says "Michigan state police.gif" with the broken images linking to an unrelated article "AR-15"? I can't seem to edit it out.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilS1990 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

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replies: text:  Thank you for your efforts  Goodtiming8871 (talk) 01:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

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*  The following keynote address was presented by ROK President Kim Dae jung on 23 April 1998; above all, of the patriotism of the Korean people, as have been the campaigns to collect gold and raise funds for the unemployed which is now underway.  Transparency of Labour managment in Korea 
* (ROK PRESIDENT KIM DAE-JUNG'S KEYNOTE ADDRESS ON THE KOREAN ECONOMY) https://www.jstor.org/stable/23255888?read-now=1&seq=4#page_scan_tab_contents 
* [Faculty Essay] Defining Kim Dae-jung’s Greatness   http://www.useoul.edu/news/news0101_view.jsp?idx=128898 
* How Gold Rode To The Rescue Of South Korea  https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2016/09/27/how-gold-rode-to-the-rescue-of-south-korea/#30083b6e33d3  
* South Koreans donate their gold to dent IMF debt  https://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=3071722&__hstc=217697481.341ac824ee8bbfc2f6f54b27ad56f36d.1474983141697.1474983141698.1475001933250.3&__hssc=217697481.2.1475001933250&__hsfp=266396766 
* South Koreans in the Debt Crisis: The Creation of a Neoliberal Welfare Society https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Tq5YkPI3nPoC&pg=PT34&lpg=PT34&dq=Gold-collecting+campaign+KIM+DAE+JUNG&source=bl&ots=Hckh_pF258&sig=ACfU3U3cwstDbPLzuQC0jSMBzjcLVJ5ehg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWgaPI36bjAhXLfCsKHWUbDsQ4ChDoATACegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=Gold-collecting%20campaign%20KIM%20DAE%20JUNG&f=false
* Two case studies: how gold saved India and South Korea  https://www.globalintergold.com/gold-news/read/two-case-studies-how-gold-saved-india-and-south-korea
Goodtiming8871 (talk) 01:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference link summary 

message: You reverted my recent edit in which I changed Kim Dae-jung's birth location "Chōsen" to "Japanese-occupied Korea", where you reverted it back to Chōsen. Clearly this is common naming convention across many Wikipedia articles and appears to be a recent wide-scale change. As early as a couple months ago I did not notice this naming convention for birthplaces.
I find it extremely objectionable that the territory and its people, which made constant assertions of its own independence and deeply reviled the occupation, would be referred to by the name imposed upon it by its occupiers, especially in what's supposed to be an objective context. During occupation the territory was referred to in English as "Korea" by the Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea (KPG/Korean Provisional Government), which was lead by the deeply important independence leader Kim Gu and first president of South Korea Syngman Rhee. The US referred to the territory as "Korea" in the 1940s as seen by these (1 2 3) NYTimes articles. The US-based Korean National Association, in which first president Syngman Rhee worked as a leader, called the nation "Korea" since 1909. The South Korean government's official website always refers to the territory as "Korea" when referring to the nation under Japanese rule. Hell, North Korea still calls itself "Joseon" (similar to Chōsen) but no one refers to it in English as "North Joseon" or especially "North Chōsen". It's like calling Kim Dae-jung "Toyota Taichū".
This is a wide-scale issue on Wikipedia articles on Korean people and a harmful one. "Chōsen" should be removed from birthplaces and I'd like to address this issue on a larger scale. Earlier edits to this page show his birthplace as "Japanese Korea", which is more accurate than "Chōsen". Holidayruin (talk) 16:37, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello there. I’m not sure what is objectionable. The name was Chōsen; it was the the official international name promulgated by Japan during the colonial period and was recognized as such, although the name “Korea” continued to be used interchangeably and informally. ”Occupation” implies seizure by military means and that control is provisional. Japan had annexed Korea through a diplomatic treaty, not by military conquest, and had intended to keep it permanently, not temporarily. Recognizing where Kim Dae-jung was born and using his Japanese name are two unrelated matters. Correctly recognizing where he was born is no more objectionable than the fact that George Washington or José de San Martín were born in British America and the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata respectively, not the United States or Argentina, which did not exist at the time of their birth. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, the decree promulgating the name change can be seen here on the Japanese Wikisource. I can provide a translation and upload to the English Wikisource if needed. There appears to also be a Korean translation available. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I am actually shocked by your response. To think that the total annexation of a country is totally comfortable and consensual for the country being annexed, just on a basic level shows some deep lack of understanding. Yes, the name Chōsen was promulgated by Japan and not by Korea, which is the very issue with the English name "Chōsen". And Japanese Wikipedia, in the Japanese language, is hardly where I would look to in seeing what name Japanese-occupied Korea should be called in English. This is about Korean people. If Korean people don't call the nation by the Japanese name "Chōsen" but instead call the nation in that period "Korea" then it should be called Korea. This is a matter of basic respect of peoples. Holidayruin (talk) 21:12, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I never said nor implied anything being "totally comfortable and consensual." What I did say was that Chōsen was the internationally legally recognized name of Korea at the time of Kim Dae-jung's birth and that the period of colonial rule was not an "occupation" (i.e. a territory gained through military invasion resulting in a provisional government pending a permanent form of rule) as it had been acquired through diplomatic action and was meant to be permanent. Between 1910–1945, Japan was the internationally and legally recognized ruler of Korea, which was internationally recognized as an integral constituent territory of the Empire of Japan. If neither the Japanese nor Korean Wikisources are good enough, you can find an English translation of the edict promulgating the name change here. Calling Korea Chōsen when chronologically appropriate is no different than referring to Gdańsk as Danzig when referring to its periods under German rule or Kyiv as Kiev when it was part of the Russian Empire and Ukrainian SSR. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born in "Korea", not "Chōsen" 

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