Talk:Current events/Archive 8

message: I seriously question the value of listing recently deceased persons in 2 places, once on this page, and once again under the relevant month/year page.  This will inevitably lead to names being shown on only one of the pages (in fact this has already happened - Andrian Nikolayev was listed on this page but not on the July 2004 page, so I fixed it).  As a result, users cannot rely on either of the pages to provide a complete list of recent deaths shown in Wikipedia; they cannot be assured of getting all of the names unless they actually look in both pages.   It should not have to be up to sharp-eyed contributors to pick up such omissions.  There should certainly be a link on this page to the relevant month/year page, but listing the same people all over again on this page is simply creating new problems.  It seems designed to reduce users' workloads by exactly 1 mouse-click, but in so doing it creates a much greater amount of work in requiring them to enter the same information twice, and also creates the entirely new but unnecessary issue of potential omission.  Can we please go back to the old system of showing deaths only on the appropriate month/year recent deaths page. What do others think? JackofOz 05:53, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, July 2004, redirects to here, Current events. The duplication is on Recent deaths and current events. Unfortunately I can't suggest a template solution as the current events page only lists days and name, whilst recent deaths lists day, age, name and notability. I personally would have no list on this page, merely a link to recent deaths and allow very high profile deaths to have their own entry as regular current event. (maybe Francis Crick would come into this high profile category). Pcb21| Pete 10:18, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Well, Jack, I'd argue that the list here is for more noteworthy names, and the list at Recent deaths is intended to be exhaustive.  That's just my impression though.  I don't think the system is "UNWORKABLE", though I admit it probably could be improved.  In the meantime, though, it just needs a few of us to check both pages every now and then.  I don't think that's disastrous.  I just added Arturo Torentino to this page as I think his death probably is "noteworthy" -- if I'm incorrect, or if I should have added the other names at RD, well, someone either needs to cut my edit, or add the others.  Sorry if I acted improperly. Jwrosenzweig 23:27, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: You are getting your knickers in a twist over not very much. Does it equally worry you that only some the stories on this page are selected for "in the news" on the main page? There are degrees of notability. Pcb21| Pete 13:28, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicated List of Recent Deaths 

message: I understand the desire to remove NYT links. I also understand the desire to remove stories without links.  When an NYT link is the only link and it is removed another person might remove the story because it has no link.  This results in Wikipedia having less information rather than more.   SO please, when there is only an NYT link.  Find another or let it remain.  Cna we reach a consensus on this point...that it is better to have the story at the cost of a NYT link than not to have the story at all? Lance6Wins 19:13, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: We did - it's a comment on the page itslef: "PLEASE DO NOT LINK TO SUBSCRIPTION-ONLY SITES SUCH AS AOL, WSJ OR THE NYT (except in the unlikely event that a story is covered there substantially better than anywhere else)". Andy Mabbett 19:34, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  NYT 

message: I'm not sure if this would be considered international news necessarily, but apparently 4 people were arrested in Deltona for beating 6 people to death over an XBox.   --NeuronExMachina 01:54, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass-murder over XBox 

message: Shouldn't the archived Current events pages, i.e. January 2002 – July 2004, be reversed in order to indeed be chronological? It seems strange to me for a historical timeline to go backwards (Timeline of the Second World War doesn't, for instance). Of course it would be a little work to turn them all around, but it's a task I would gladly get on top of, if I'm not alone in my opinion. -- Jao 09:47, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)
:Sounds eminently logical to me. The only danger I can see is Jao getting bored with the jobs he's so willingly volunteered for sometime around August 2008 and leaving us with the problem. That, and the possibility of a finger-slip during one of 30 manual cut-and-pastes -- could it be done semi-automatically instead, by means of a script? Ultimately in favour, in any event. –Hajor 18:03, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived pages 

message: Why is there a link to one other news wikipedia page from within the news box (at the bottom) whereas all the others are in a box on the side? Did a friend from Minnan put it in the wrong place and it not get noticed or am I missing something? --BozMo|talk 09:31, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The interwiki links to Minnan don't seem to be working properly. There's nothing wrong with the way the link has been set up in the article. -- Arwel 12:30, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error on Page? 

message: Here it's the 12th; but on her own page and on the Recent deaths page, it's the 13th.  What is the correct date??
Another good reason not to have such a list of deaths on this page at all, just a link to the complete list at Recent deaths.  Cheers JackofOz 05:09, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In the instance cited, the information initially released by Julia Childs's relatives mistakenly said she died on Thursday the 12th; this error was corrected by later press release indication that she had died at 2:50 AM on Friday the 13th. There's no mechanism that could protect Wikipedia from getting it wrong between the two releases. Perhaps what is needed is a program of reverification after the dust has settled. - Nunh-huh 06:34, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info.  Since you put that message up (about 40 hours ago), nobody has seen fit to correct Julia Child's entry on this page to say 13 August.  If nobody has noticed it has been wrong for that long, I suggest this information is irrelevant to this page - because apparently nobody reads it anyway (except me).  I will now correct it (but apparently only for my own benefit).  Cheers JackofOz 23:17, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Julia Child's date of death