Talk:Jesus Christians

message: Rather than simply add a new edit, I am attempting here to present new Information which I believe is relevant to the Page and ought to be considered factual, despite denials by the groups founder otherwise.  
I don't claim to be an expert in protocols yet, but appeal to moderators to advise how to proceed before posting it.. 
Two Youtube pages have appeared and are active for about a year.  The first one is called "End Time Survivors", and many of the posts are by a "brother Dave".  Not only does the obscured video image look and sound like David McKay,  the channel features David McKay´s book  "Survivors".  Many of the Uploads are simply audio visual versions of content in printed form from the Jesus Christians teaching website. 
A second channel appeared called " Voice in the Desert", claiming to be anonymous, and calls himself "Voice" however the voice is that of  David McKay to anyone who knows the man despite mild audio doctoring.   Further evidence that David McKay is running that channel can be shown in which another channel has recently appeared called "Voice in the Desert- Exposed".  In this channel a defender of the "Voice"(aka David McKay) cites  numerous controversial actions that the "Voice" has been involved with in the past and has been unfairly accused of. These include: forcing group members to donate kidneys, kidnap underage youth, Voices former membership of the Children of God, whether or not  Voice is a cult leader, and explanations about the Whipping Trial.  These are all subjects which appear on the Jesus Christians wikipaedia page already and on the Jesus Christians website.   There is plenty of evidence for any neutral person to arrive at this conclusion, whether or not one agrees or disagrees which various actions of the group.   All that remains is to cite the evidence in an acceptable form for the wikipaedia entry.   
It appears that the founder of the JC´s (David McKay) is desperate to keep any links from the Jesus Christians to the new public channels, and claim anonymity for himself.    There is mounting evidence that the group still exists despite former claims of disbanding, and has simply changed names and operates in different forms.   However, most obvious for now is simply that David McKay continues to teach the same doctrines on these Youtube channels as he does on the Jesus Christians web site.  That he tries to hide that from the public in my opinion is a form of deception.    I am not interested in simply writing negative stuff about the group or its founder, but that factual information be put on the public record, be it positive or negative so it the public itself can decide what to believe about this group.  Wholetruth (talk) 07:46, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Information 

message: Due to previous controversy around the issue, I thought I should just make a brief comment that I changed the first reference link in the introduction.  Link 1 now directs to 'Voices In The Wilderness: An Ethnography of the End Time Survivors', a thesis by Geraldine Smith, as it appears on the Jesus Christians website. It is a comprehensive overview of the Jesus Christians movement, from its inception to the current day, making particular reference to the current Youtube ministry. Frog Manz (talk) 01:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Reference