Talk:Matilda Joslyn Gage

message: The user at IP address 68.34.232.20 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=68.34.232.20 ) is responsible for selectively misquoting the letter "Is Woman Her Own?" in order to advance a political position that is irrelevant to Matilda Joslyn Gage and her contemporaries (in fact, the dishonest quoting technique effectively reversed part of Gages stated position on the issue). I have provided a more complete quotation, and placed Gage's words within the context demanded by the source material, i.e. Gage's original letter - available on microfilm.
Compare "a subject which lies deeper down in woman's wrongs than any other" to "a subject which lies deeper down in woman's wrongs than any other. This is the denial of the right to herself ", for example.
Note that 68.34.232.20 appears to be active on many abortion-related articles, and seems to have a political axe to grind. It might be worth tracking this user's movements, as this probably is not the first (or last) time he/she uses a dishonest and politically motivated Wiki edit.
Please, everybody:
*Source all quotes (68.34.232.20 failed to source the quotations, possibly deliberately, as referencing the title of Gage's letter would have unravelled the misquote...), and 
*Check the context of any dubious quotes with the source material.
Dissembly 10:38, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Selective quoting

message: Recently there have been adits adding a large selection of text into the Gage article discussing the modern abortion debate; something which i do not feel is appropriate for a biographical article. A short mention that the scope of the debate was different is already present in the text, and beyond that, Matilda's own words are quoted directly (and more expediently that the extensive discussion that was added).
I have reverted these edits as i do not feel they are of an appropriate nature ofr an entirely neutral POV.
Perhaps the text can be ressurrected and placed in a more appropriate article that actually focuses on the history of the abortion debates?
Dissembly 05:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Alicekate: Brief explanation and documentation on the concept of "Voluntary Motherhood" added. Alicekate 15:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Matilda Joslyn Gage and Abortion

message: This article says that Gage was initiated into the Wolf Clan of the Iroquois.  Our article on L. Frank Baum specifies that Gage was adopted into the Mohawk nation, who were part of the Iroquois Confederacy.  Iroquois#Haudenosaunee clans explains that each Iroquois tribe has several matrilineal clans.  Assuming that all the articles are accurate, it would seem that Gage was initiated into the Wolf Clan of the Mohawk nation — however, I'm sufficiently unsure of this conclusion that I'd rather leave the edit to someone who has access to relevant sources, and can confirm the accuracy of this syllogism. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribal membership 

message: The article states : "Gage opposed abortion on principle, blaming it on the 'selfish desire' of husbands to maintain their wealth by reducing their offspring. Her letter called not for the outlawing of abortions, but for the turning of the decision over to women. Other feminists of the period referred to "voluntary motherhood," achieved through consensual nonprocreative sexual practices, periodic or permanent sexual abstinence, or (most importantly) the right of a woman (especially a wife) to refuse sex." 
She seems to have opposed abortion, but according to the article she wasn´t against making it ilegal. It´s obvious the article needs cleanup and a more neutral and not so obvious pro-choice tone. She was for or against legal abortion ? She appears as a pro-life feminist in the Wikipedia article about feminism.81.193.191.210 (talk) 20:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: She appears as a pro-life feminist in other articles because these articles have been edited by members of "Feminists For Life", an organisation which, as has been documented here already, has made use of selective misquotation. Primary sources matter more than Feminists For Life claims. Feminists For Life did not even exist when Gage was around - they do not count as a reputable source taking precedence over primary sources. Dissembly (talk) 07:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The exact quote is clearly provided. Dissembly (talk) 07:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

text: The feminists for life website is not a primary source; it is an unreliable source with a history of non-NPOV innaccuracy; the letters themselves are clearly a better source than fragmentary and selective misquotations from the Feminists For Life website. The statements in this article are based on the letters themselves as primary sources, and they are extensively documented within the article. Dissembly (talk) 07:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Once again, primary sources contradict these claims. This is not a reliable source. Dissembly (talk) 07:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

text: That is contrary to what the primary sources say; your research skills are lacking. Dissembly (talk) 07:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Rubbish - she calls ABORTION a crime, but she supports WOMEN having control over it. It's made VERY clear in the quotations provided in the article. Dissembly (talk) 01:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing View About Abortion

message: Moving this to Talk for now:"Gage was, actually, the inspiration for Glinda the Good."- This was added to article 16 June 2008, tagged as "cite needed" July 2008, has never been cited. Please provide a good cite for this before returning to article. -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 03:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to see a citation for this claim.  Sally Roesch Wagner of the Matilda Joslyn Gage Foundation cited Dorothy Gale as specifically having character traits like those of Gage, but Glinda the Good, as far as I can remember, only insofar as representing the concept of the matriarchy. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 04:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gage as inspiration for Glinda the Good: Needs cite

message: >Gage was well-educated and a prolific writer—the most gifted and educated woman of her age, claimed her devoted son-in-law, L. Frank Baum.
Claimed her devoted son-in-law, L. Frank Baum.....
-- as an dependent for tax purposes?
-- had run off and joined the circus?
-- as her butler?
-- had visited Oz twice?
There is something missing here. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 19:53, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Verb 

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message: I honestly don't understand this:
How many National Woman Suffrage Associations were there? Why is "national suffrage association" in lower case? If she was vice president of the "original" society, what is the newer or revised society? Is the 's a mistake? 
Remember that readers will probably know very little about the topic. deisenbe (talk) 19:19, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A passage I don't understand