Talk:List of doughnut varieties

message: Way too broad here!  The popular characteristics of donuts are that they're a sweet and usually fried pastry.  This section includes 'USA - Bagels', which is wrong for several reasons. Since bagels are not doughnuts, there shouldn't be any mention of them whatsoever, so I nominate 'bagel' for removal from this page. 
Reasons why: 
# doughnuts are usually sweet pastries, or pastry-like foods, while bagels are not pastries, but a a usually dense bread product;
# doughnuts are usually deep-fried; bagels are usually boiled and then baked;
# 'USA' is also wrong, since bagels aren't a regional or national food, having originated in Europe and since migrating throughout much of Western world. Calling bagels a U.S. food item is factually incorrect....
As the dude above said, squid-rings aren't the same as doughnuts.  The main similarities between doughnuts and bagels are their topology and the fact that they're both usually edible (although I once got a Dunkin' Donuts poppy seed bagel that was actually dipped in coarse salt grains...). Including bagels and squid rings in this article is so very wrong that we need to let a bit of logic prevail.
Harry Zilber (talk) 14:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversial doughnut-related items

message: I happened to see this article cited somewhere else and stopped out of curiousity, Wish I hadn't.
This is not a 'list of doughnut varieties'. It's a list of fried, oftentimes filled, dough pastries. Only we Americans would be so self-centered as to think it acceptable to write "Brazil - Doughnuts are referred to as Sonho, meaning dream".  No! In Brazil, A variety of fried, filled, dough pastry is referred to as Sonho - meaning 'dream'.
Putting aside the US-centric issues, it doesn't get any better in other respects either. Under Canada, Tim Horton's Timbits are listed as a 'Canadian varient' (though they can be bought at any US Tim Horton's shop as well); so, using whatever rationale supports including Timbits, shouldn't Dunkin Donuts' Munchkins be listed as a US variant?
Hawaii has apparently achieved nationhood, being the sole (former?) state to garner an entry in the first-level list.
Fasnachts are referenced as a US variety, albeit they get no reference in Switzerland from whence they originate (and are still made); Kinklings - Maryland's equivalent to Pennsylvania's derivitive claim to Fasnachts - aren't referenced at all.
The 'Doughnut-related items excluded from the above list on the grounds of controversy' section is unquestionably the silliest. Bagels? Mars Bars? Chocolate eclairs? Funnel cakes? Those are donut-related in whose mind? And, if they really are, why isn't the delight of carnival goers, 'fried dough', listed alongside its regional cousin, the funnel cake? (Scotland's fudge donuts - a donut in name only - escape this list somehow, even managing to get 2 listings, in Scotland's own entry and as a mention in the UK entry.)
Yet, Chruściki are excluded because they are "not doughnut shaped—flat rectangles that have been slightly twisted" - and what is 'doughnut shaped' (and since when is a twist an exclusionary criterion to being categorized as a donut? 
Is a doughnut-shaped item one that is round, with no center? Or, is it a round item with a center that is filled? Can it still be a ball of dough that might otherwise have been a center? Suppose it's an elongated item - a/k/a cruller? And, if it's the latter, is it a donut whether that cruller is relatively rectangular (often the case with filled crullers or Dunkin's 'sticks') or twisted, as in the more traditional styles of plain, sugar, and chocolate crullers? 
Going back to the round item with the hole in the center, is that still a donut if it is twisted - as in a so-called french cruller? How about Terre Haute, Indiana's square donuts - are they still donuts, despite deviating from the described form? (On that count, as I think about it, Fasnachts in Pennsylvania Dutch Country are generally either squared to represent the 4 Gospels or triangular to represent the Trinity - so, do they still meet that 'donut-shaped' criterion?) 
This whole article should be seriously revamped or outright trashed - I suspect the latter would be the better choice.Irish Melkite (talk) 08:18, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pathetic Excuse for a Topic 

message: I noted there are several issues with other countries' "donoughts", but the Italian list is nothing short than grotesque.
I invite you to check what's linked in the italian list: only two or three recipes are really resembling donoughts, and that's the italian ciambella or bombolone (by the way the author also managed to spell them in the wrong way, too: the plural of italian "bombolone" is "bomboloni", not "bombolonas").
A few of those listed (like the tuscan "cenci") are fried pastries indeed but they don't resemble a donought nor in shape nor in texture, while many aren't fried at all or even resemble a donought by far.
Sorry, but trusting and liking Wikipedia as I do, I can't think of a better closing line than what user Irish Melkite wrote in his note: "This whole article should be seriously revamped or outright trashed - I suspect the latter would be the better choice."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.26.134.15 (talk) 17:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somebody earlier wrote "This whole article should be seriously revamped or outright trashed" and he is totally right.