Talk:Bugsy Siegel

message: His family's census records from 1910 list the family name as "Siegel," as corroborated by Larry Gragg's recent book. Benjamin Siegelbaum was an entirely different person who Meyer Lansky worked with in Miami in the 40's and 50's, after Bugsy's death. He is discussed in some detail by Lacey in Little Man, and presumably the insistence on "Siegelbaum" being Bugsy's last name comes from conflating the two figures, but the fact remains that it was never Bugsy's last name. The only things that claim it was are internet articles which cite other internet articles (or which cite no sources at all), and none can conclusively point to an original source for his last name originally being Siegelbaum. Crimsonrain158 (talk) 11:38, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Donovan Ellis you have not provided any reliable sources that verify this. In the citation I provided—and that you deleted—Gragg cites a United State Census record from 1910, four years after Siegel was born, that lists his family's name as "Siegel." The citations listed on your edits to Siegel's last name include: a link to a youtube video (which has since been removed from youtube), an IMDB page and Find-A-Grave page (both of which are composed of user-generated content), and a PBS page which does not cite the information it contains to any verifiable source. No published historian has corroborated your claims. The contention that Siegel's last name was ever "Siegelbaum" (or that his middle name was "Hymen") is dubious at best, and the sites you have cited to back up your claim fall well within Wikipedia's definition of unreliable sources. --Crimsonrain158 (talk) 00:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last name was never Siegelbaum 

message: I would like to verify that Siegel's ethnicity was Jewish and he was a Jewish American mobster which is proven and the fact that people are saying that being a Jew is not an ethnicity (when in fact its a ethnoreligious group). I'm just stating this in the talk page because recently two or three users are trying to say Jewish American is not needed in the opening paragraph and that being a Jew is not an ethnicity.--Donovan Ellis (talk) 03:09, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Siegel was ethnically Jewish, and that the fact that he was a Jewish American mobster is relevant enough to his notability to be included in the opening paragraph under the MOS guidelines cited in the most recent removal of the term; his ethnicity is notable in that he was operating within the structure of the Mafia as a Jewish mobster, not an Italian one. If we're going to say Siegel's ethnicity isn't important enough to be mentioned in the opening paragraph, then "Sicilian-born", "Italian-American", and "Italian-born" aren't important enough to be included in the opening paragraphs of Luciano, Costello, and Genovese's respective articles either, and yet there's no debate on their respective pages about leaving those ethnic designations. Crimsonrain158 (talk) 07:34, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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