Talk:Terri Schiavo case/Archive 38

message: So I hope the agreement works. My two edits for the day are done: asserted notability in lead paragraph and touched up the disputed sentence. Marskell 12:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll use one of my 50-word daily talk posts and acknowledge your improvement; You messed up the link: remember, Marskell, when you delete {ref|Whatever.The.Heck}, you must also delete the corresponding {note|Whatever.The.Heck}, or else the numbering system will be off. Fixing this without "minor" edits will be hard, bu oh, well.--GordonWattsDotCom 12:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I know. And as G.I. Joe used to say, knowing is half the battle ;). Marskell 12:36, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 3 of 5. FuelWagon made four edits that were effectively one—the latter three removing links and a flag that had become redundant. Similarly, Gordon's correction of spacing isn't really a full edit so doesn't count. Thus, I figure you have one each left. Now, nobody can watch this minute-to-minute but let's stick to the spirit and note as I did at the top of this section what our two edits are. Marskell 14:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

text: That was 2-of-5 below (the gordon rule), and I will use 3-0f-5 here to tentative support Wagon's version of the hospice detail; the motion doesn't use those exact words, so we'll have to accept his version for now; it's "acceptable," if not "superior."--GordonWattsDotCom 15:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh, ~--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/GordonWattsDotCom <--~--GordonWattsDotCom 15:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  OK... 

message: I see the discussion on the counting of edits; I will not complain about minor typo fixes to the same section; That will all count for one edit. I also support Marskell's suggestion that we try to stick to the spirit of things, and I suppose this is good: We might slip up as humans.--GordonWattsDotCom 15:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Gordon Rule" on edit-count-itis 

message: I see that you all have hammered out an accord in my absence. Great job, that. However, I have a recommendation to make in the strongest possible terms: if you've agreed to make x number of edits in one day, then make no more than x number of edits per day. Period. The slippery slope that you're going to get into questioning the validity of each other's edits and saying that multiple edits only count as one because they were grammatical is going to be viewed as "gaming the system" as soon as something controverial pops up, as it invariably will. I can't emphasize enough how important I think this is.
Regardless, good job reaching enough of a compromise to unprotect the article. Remember to stay civil. I'll be watching this article and helping out Taxman and the rest of you as much as I can. Fernando Rizo T/C 17:12, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. When I proposed this and Gordon agreed FuelWagon wasn't fully in the loop so I was clarifying rather than questioning what he was up to. I suggested not marking any edit as minor to avoid gaming the system. I think this should followed. Marskell 17:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Agreed. You can't keep grouping edits and calling them all one. Edits are edits so plan them well--that was the whole point. The only thing I would add to Marskell's point is if the edit is minor, mark it as such, but it still counts as one of your two edits. - Taxman Talk 21:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

text: If I have to make a minor repair of a link, I think it shouldn't count as a 2nd edit, but I will tentatively agree so the "gaming of the system" factors are reduced; I'm responding here and below with Ed's comments; Are these replies 2-in-1 Ok for one edit? PS: I may not be available to edit everyday, but I am here in spirit. (Cleaning room & preparing for job search.) See below also.--GordonWattsDotCom 02:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A thought regarding the compromise 

message: Four days, no problems, good stuff. I think the verbatim GAL report paragraphs should be summarized at about half the length. I can't think of another instance of cutting and pasting that much text. I'd do this but wanted to see if I'd be stepping on toes. Marskell 18:47, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: First, exactly--if you can narrow it to seven bullet points then the article itself can be made shorter and more cogent. I do like the GAL report; my only real acquaintance with the issue before editing here was reading it (all of it! actually quite interesting) about five months ago now. It can be quoted well as a strict NPOV source. Anyhow, I'll chew over it again and see if your bullets can be appropriately incorporated without losing the flow (and of course accomodating any additional comments). Marskell 22:36, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, of course I'd agree to the 7 bullet points above if you cut and pasted them into the article... I wrote them. The question is whether anyone would dispute the paraphrasing I used. I don't, but someone else might. If you agree with the language I used, then that's two people, and should be enough that you could just try cutting and pasting it verbatim into the article. Then see if anyone disputes the language. FuelWagon 05:30, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trim 

message: Early life quite clearly states she might have had an eating disorder. I made this change to keep the article self-consistent. Little evidence is inaccurate--circumstantial evidence yes (comments about odd eating habits and the sheer enormity of weight loss) and disputable medical evidence yes (potassium levels). The various news links from early life and initial medical crisis on the topic all state she had an eating disorder quite colourlessly. Marskell 12:00, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What's not in dispute is that years earlier she lost 60-80 pounds improving her general health.  This is obvious from looking at photographs of her high school graduation.  She was maintaining her healthy weight at the time of her collapse.  The people who knew her best and ate with her the most (including Michael) denied that she had an eating disorder and specifically denied the so-called evidence given by one witness that she ran to the bathroom after every meal.  The evidence that she had an eating disorder always was very weak and since there was no characteristic scarring of the esophagas and stomach in the autopsy, it has since been ruled out.  Rather than being colorless, the agenda being pushed in those media accounts was that by not seeking help for her alleged eating disorder she was responsible for her own collapse. patsw 19:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I think you need to distinguish "evidence" in a medical sense from "evidence" in a more general sense, Marskell. You are inserting your change into a discussion of the autopsy, which found no evidence at all of an eating disorder and nothing much that was even suggestive of it. That there were rumours and a bit of this and that does not mean that anything was found at her autopsy! The evidence of the autopsy was conclusive and the examiner did make a conclusion. Suggesting otherwise is a plain error of fact. Please read the autopsy report before making the edit again. Grace Note 05:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

text: AS I read it, Grace is taking a slight "Anti-Eating-Disorder" approach, and you are taking a more neutral approach; It is indeed inconclusive, as you say, but it is also true to say there is "little evidence" of an eating disorder. The two statements are similar shades of the nuance. I think the current version is OK, but you can add some professional opinions from doctors on the Internet if you can find them, quote them, and provide a link. Now, that "reference" system we're now using requires a "ref" in the text of the article and a "note" in the references section at the bottom. Got it? Good luck! PS: Ann, you did do a good job archiving, and even made a few "extra" sport for future archrivals. Cool.--GordonWatts 11:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Although it was widely speculated that Schiavo suffered from an eating disorder that caused a serious electrolyte disturbance, stopping her heart, the autoposy itself showed little evidence to support this claim." This would seem to be appropriate for the autopsy section. FuelWagon 15:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eating disorder rv 

message: Wagon asks this question here: 
 Revision as of 17:45, 23 September 2005
 FuelWagon (Talk | contribs) 
 the content of this article has been derived from all users who have contributed. why is GordonWatts called out specifically?
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From this diff, one of the regulars on Jimbo's page told me of official policy when there are images used in an article. Indeed, Wikipedia emailed me back confirming this was legit:
 Subject: Re: [Ticket#2005092010003755] To the Wikimedia PR department 
 Date: 9/20/2005 12:12:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time 
 From: permissions@wikimedia.org   
 To: Gww1210@aol.com
 Dear Gordon Watts,
 Thank you. Your message has been archived and will be available by writing to
 this address should there be any questions. 
 Gww1210@aol.com wrote:
 > Dear Wikipedia: Based on your request here, 
 > _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Confirmation_of_permission_ 
 > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Confirmation_of_permission) ,  I am
 > giving you proof that some photographs used  
 > in the _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_ 
 > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo)  article  really were taken by
 > me, and not snatched off of 
 > the Internet.
Therefore, I placed the template, to keep the wiki from having the daylights sued out of it.--GordonWatts 00:44, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sick of seeing your vanity stuff on and around this article Gordon. If someone sues wikipedia for copyright violations based on your photograph, they can easily be referred to the PR department or wherever there is a record that the photo is yours. Until then, I'm not having you advertise at the top of the talk page. People could sue for text violations as well, and we dont' have to put our names at the top of the talk page saying our text has been submitted by us. This is just more vanity stuff. FuelWagon 14:49, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wagon's concern re Copyrightvio template