Talk:Andante spianato et grande polonaise brillante

message: Should "brillante" be capitalized?  It is capitalized and not capitalized throughout the article.  Asmeurer (talk  ♬ contribs) 05:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally, adjectives in French titles are not capitalised.  The article title is correct - "spianato" and "brillante".  The text should be consistent with those spellings.  --  JackofOz (talk) 07:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: This edit focussed my mind on the list of notable players.  Were they all notable for playing this piece specifically?  More likely they are all notable pianists, who played this and many other pieces by Chopin and other composers.  We could add hundreds of other notable pianists who also played this piece.  Unless their specific notability for their playing of the Andante spianato et grande polonaise brillante can be cited, they should not be mentioned here.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  23:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: List of notable players

message: “In 1836, it was arranged as a piano quartet and, two years later, ...”
For this section marked as WP:CITENEED, I have actually found its source -- it came from Grove Dictionary. The remark for this polonaise says:
“Leipzig, Paris and London, 1836; arrs.  for pf solo and pf qt, Paris, ?1836, pf solo, London, 1838; ded. Baroness  d’Este; see also Andante spianato, pf solo, B 88”
HOWEVER.
I found it extremely unlikely for Chopin to make this arrangement, for several reasons:
# No known score found among the major publishers. The only chamber arrangement for this work I managed to find so far, comes from Polskie Wydawnictwo Muzyczne (PWM) Edition. And this edition is transcribed by Chopin scholars instead of Chopin himself. (Henle briefly mentioned something about string quartet version being purchaseable, but I can't find anything in its online catalog.)
# Grove dictionary itself provided even more doubtful remarks, mentioning that Chopin's both concertos, Fantasy on Polish Airs & Rondo à la Krakowiak also has chamber arrangement from composer as well. And ... zero, zip, zilch, nada. At least the chamber arragements for concertos come from Chopin scholars as well.
# No such arrangements from IMSLP. Nuff said.
# Given Chopin's mediocre orchestration skill and his unwillingness for creating chamber works (a Trio, a few Duo, that's about it), it's hard to imagine him making chamber arrangement for anything.
# I didn't manage to discover any Chopin research website describing this work having any chamber arrangement either, here are a few examples:
#* Narodowy Instytut Fryderyka Chopina
#* Annotated Catalog from Chopin Online, none of the editions has anything remotely related to chamber arrangement
#* This Chopin work list
I'm going to remove the reference. If anybody manage to find evidence that can counter my arguments, please feel free to say here, or revert my edits later on.
AbelCheung (talk) 23:49, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, there's a counter argument I just found. In the cover of FFE (French First Edition), it briefly mentions quartet version being purchaseable, and that's from year 1836. However there's no info (especially authorship) other than purchaseable. Is it lack of interest or anything that caused chamber version to disappear from this planet, or it's actually just the string instrument parts sold independently? I don't know enough to say anything for sure. *shrug* AbelCheung (talk) 00:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extremely unlikely existence of quartet arrangement