Talk:Herzegovina uprising (1875–1877)

message: With this diff  inserted the assertion about uprising being led by ethnic Montenegrins. The first mention of ethnic Montenegrins was at Communist congress in 20th century, so this kind of retrospective ethnicization of past events is incorrect and POV. I will revert it.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:52, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: When I put information in an article I must follow Wikipedia rules. If the source mentions and Montenegrins, I can't skip it. You have WP:FT. Otherwise Montenegro is a few meters from Herzegovina and I don't know what should be weird about Montenegrin participation in uprising.  Mikola22 (talk) 13:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I easily caught you with just another source misinterpretation. You inserted the assertion about the participation of ethnic Montenegrins in this uprising while the quote you used does not mention ethnic Montenegrins. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:01, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You easily caught me? The source does not mention ethnic Serbs also. Ethnic Serbs are not mentioned and by Noel Malcolm or Richard C. Hall. Sima Ćirković also does not mention Serbs or ethnic Serbs. Mikola22 (talk) 19:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I easily caught you. Instead to acknowledge the issue you create you retorted to red herring fallacy. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You have two Academics and two additional sources who do not mention ethnic Serbs as part of Herzegovina uprising (1875-1877) ie you have information in the article which is WP:OR. Is it clearer to you now? Why Serbian and English Academic do not write that they were Serbs? There are probably no original historical documents which prove this. From where did the Serbs from Herzegovina and article come from? Which sources from the article confirm this? Mikola22 (talk) 20:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire book by Ćirković is about Serbs, of course he talks about them. Noel Malcolm is a controversial author, often criticized for bias in Serb-related topics.--WEBDuB (talk) 20:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  And what this should mean? He also writes about neighboring countries and we are not all Serbs because Ćirković mentioned (Bulgaria, Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Albania) in his book. He does not mention that rebels in Herzegovina upraising are the Serbs. We cannot on the basis of the title and content of the book draw own conclusions, it is OR. Mikola22 (talk) 07:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  He writes about Serbs and their relations with other nations. You also quoted Ković, who calls the whole uprising Serbian. This event and its legacy is primarily associated with Serbs according to most sources. We can emphasize that it was an uprising of the Christian population in the Ottoman Empire, but primarily of Serbs.--WEBDuB (talk) 10:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montenegrization of the uprising 

message: This source "Travels in the Slavonic Provinces of Turkey-In-Europe (Vols. I and II) by Adelina P Irby, G Muir MacKenzie (Paperback / softback, 2010)" is a travel journal  from mid-1800s and article has a lot of information from that source. Since the use of this source violates the Wikipedia policy WP:PRIMARY, I suggest deleting this source and all informations based on that source. Mikola22 (talk) 20:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary source