Talk:2005 USC Trojans football team

message: *I think it would be nice to link each opponent from their game summary section.  I know they are linked from the schedule, but I think it is convenient to the reader to have a link down where they are reading the actual game summaries.  I don't think this would be over-linking.  What does everyone else think? Johntex\talk 16:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering about this. I kind of wanted to link them, but then I thought it was over-linking. Of the season pages I've worked on, none of them have the extra links, but I think they might be useful. Anyone else? Phydend 00:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 2005 Texas Longhorn football team is currently a GA and is nominated for FA.  It has a link within each section to the opposing team.  A fair criticism of the article is that the links were not standardized and I think I have now fixed that problem. Johntex\talk 03:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor improvements, suggestions, and questions

message: | The article meets the following five criteria:
# It is suitably referenced, and all major points are appropriately cited.  
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# It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain major omissions or inaccuracies.
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# It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content.
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# It is free from major grammatical errors.
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# It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams.
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Upgraded quality rating from Stub to B class.  SriMesh | talk 19:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: B Class Rating

message: Placed the article into an automated peer reviewer, and it suggested the following copy edit points: Semi Automatic Peer Review of 2005 USC Trojans football team
The article today (oldid=162929415) without tables has a word count of 4,630, characters 22,029 (no spaces) and characters (with spaces) 26,339.  
< 15,000 characters	around 32 kilobytes                  	> 30,000 characters
one or two paragraphs 	  two or three paragraphs  	three or four paragraphs
** 1. Context - summarize article and all sections so that if only the lead was shown on a portal or on the featured article page, readers would know what the entire article covered, and would be induced to read the sections as well.
** 2. Characterization - qualifications, tactics, targets, better season, grow people, pre-season games, training info, most valuable player of the game, injuries, challenges and problems of the season, goals or priorities of the University in that year.   ie. if it was a biography it would be...appearance, age, gender, educational level, vocation or occupation, financial status, marital status, social status, cultural background, hobbies, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, ambitions, motivations, personality, what the term refers to as used in the given context.
** 3. Explanation - deeper meaning and background - USC seasons (length....), college football team prerequisites, league it is in.
** 4. Compare (similarities amongst USC seasons or other 2005 football teams) and contrast (differences amongstUSC seasons or other 2005 football teams)- how USC Trojans 2005 season relates to other topics, if appropriate. 
** 5. Criticism - include criticism if there has been significant, notable criticism. 
**On  Recreation | Sporting events and organizations compare this lead to those on passed articles.  If the article is a feature article in the future or listed on a portal, only the lead is used to summarize the article and induce the reader to read further sections.  
Copyediting: The first time an abbreviation is used in an article the acronym or abbreviation should be spelled out to identify it...Pac-10.  It is wikilinked, but it should in this article state...Pacific-10 Conference (Pac-10).  Similarly for BCS, AP, NFL, ESPN.  Could the link for AP Associated Press be linked near the ranking by the AP and not near the AP Championship or it kind of looks like they win a newspaper. 
Who ranked the team second in the nation, as there are a number of ranking systems in the U.S.A.  With their 12-1 record, they finished the season ranked second in the nation.  Source needed for this fact -  The infobox template gives the information of Coaches and AP but there is no citation or reference for this.
Most notable of the coaches lost was offensive coordinator Norm Chow who took a job in the same position for the Tennessee Titans.  Awkward wording -  Does this also say the same thing....The most notable coach lost was offensive coordinator Norm Chow who took a job in the same position for the Tennessee Titans. 
For the section Before the season is there another wikipedia article that helps a WWW reader unfamiliar with the U.S. leagues, rankings and systems to link to which would provide understanding of how wonderful or terrible it would be to be declared the holder of the Associated Press championship as compared to a BCS National Championship.  The only wiki link about AP championship was at NCAA Division I-A national football championship.
Please to wiki link football terms such as First team for readers not as football savvy as you'se are. (Please and thank you)SriMesh | talk 19:50, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article Nomination Notes

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  Develop (Expand) lead and address above GAN notes b (MoS):   Address semi automatic peer reviewer check list of problems as listed at  Semi Auto review
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  scanned through a few references after reading article, and they seem to be OK and verify content of the article.  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused):  No comment This area looks like it covers all areas and remains focused, but have requested second review of someone more football savvy about this particular college team.
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
#It is stable.
#:  Talk page and history both correspond to references and no major upsets.
#It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
#:a (tagged and captioned):  b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
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Will enter a request for a second copy editor -  possibly this article could go to peer review at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports or Wikipedia:WikiProject College football to obtain confirmation of point 3- coverage.
Good luck with your article, it is very close to GAN and probably also very close to FA.  SriMesh | talk 19:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: I believe this article easily satisfies point three. Excellent pre- and postseason sections, and the season is well covered. I would also agree that the Lead needs to be expanded, possibly with a paragraph each on preseason, season, and postseason. Wrad 22:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Second opinion

message: This article is in excellent shape, and for the most part, meets the Good article criteria. It is well written, informative, and well referenced. Images meet all criteria, and I cannot see any POV or stability issues.
The only thing keeping it from GA at present is the lead. It is too short, and contains a rather obvious redundancy: "The 2005 University of Southern California football team represented the University of Southern California in the 2005 college football season." Really? Are there any other schools that this team would represent?! Duh!! As soon as the lead is fixed, this article can be promoted to GA status.
As an additional note, most of the so-called "comments" in the "semi-automated" (bullshit, full-automated) review go beyond the GA criteria, and are not necessary for GA status. They might be marginally useful for a future WP:FAC, so I wouldn't totally ignore them. But half of them I wouldn't even worry about for FAC -- I'd value the advice of human reviewers far more.
I am placing this article on hold at WP:GAN until this issue is addressed. Dr. Cash 04:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: The on hold time has elapsed for this article, and the issues with the lead have not been addressed. It is too short and redundant. Dr. Cash 05:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: On hold time elapsed

message: I finally got back to work on this way after the on-hold time elapsed and hope to bring it to Good Article Review again shortly. I'm going to try and put all the "problems" encountered with the article together so that they can be fixed and checked off. Even though the automated review may go beyond the GA criteria, I'll put them here also since fixing them can only help the article.
*Semi Automated Peer Review
# Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article. Note:I expanded the lead to three paragraphs, added citations to many of the points in the lead, and summarized the main points of the article. If the article is expanded, the lead needs to be added to also. Phydend (talk) 04:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess kind of quick, but I struck out most of these by now. The only things that I haven't addressed in the concerns shouldn't stop this from being passed. I'm going to place it in the GAR queue, however, it could definitely be improved more while it's waiting to be reviewed. Phydend (talk) 05:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement

message: This is a very good article, it is well-written, well sourced and looks good, so I am promoting it.. One small thing: In the Roster section, at the bottom of the table, there is this: "Sources: http://usc.scout.com/a.z?s=15&p=8&c=2&nid=736&yr=2005", perhaps the link could be reformated to have a title, rather than the URL. Excellent job!
:Thanks for the review, I fixed the link so that it's the Title now instead of the URL. Phydend (talk) 15:18, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After the first GA failed I quit on it for awhile, but finally got back and fixed most everything they brought up. That 2007 page looks pretty good to me, and I think once the season is over and with a small expansion of the lead section, it could easily pass GA as well. Phydend (talk) 01:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review 2.0

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thread_title:  Dead link 

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