Talk:List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft

message: This would be easier to extract information if it was a sortable table. Tom Ruen (talk) 22:23, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by sortable table; could you elaborate a little? [ Dinosaurs are cool 03:40, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think like the one here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_populationSqueakSquawk4 (talk) 20:22, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

text: I too want a table for easy sorting. Any objections?SqueakSquawk4 (talk) 20:22, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table?

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message: There is no need for every link in the article to be in bold face. MOS:BOLD describes the cases where bold face should be used. None of them apply here. It has no obvious significance and it looks horrendously ugly. So, I removed it all. 80.189.156.156 (talk) 20:55, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, no, it's been replaced.  The significance is that in each sentence, the main target article is in bold, just like the Main Page.  Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bold face 

message: I think this article should be separated by year like this. -- Si Gam (talk) 01:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What would be your reasoning for that? Is it because this article is getting unfeasibly long these days? There might be an argument for separating by decade, that would at least break it into about ten separate subarticles. Rodney Baggins (talk) 15:20, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Joy, 10 or more subarticles for me to put on watchlist so as to revert entries of accidents without articles....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate Article 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of accidents and incidents on commerical airliners grouped by year. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Colonies Chris (talk) 18:57, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of accidents and incidents on commerical airliners grouped by year listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: It's not obvious to all users that the page Wikipedia:List of accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft/Guideline for inclusion criteria and format exists. There is a link to this page above the edit box when editing with a conventional computer, but mobile edits don't see this notice. The MOS suggests adding direct statements about list criteria in the lede (WP:SALLEAD), and so I have proposed changing the lede to . But now I seem to be finding myself in an edit war. I think a summary of the inclusion criteria in the lede would reduce ineligible entries, and help to communicate that this list is not all-inclusive of every aviation mishap. Hadron137 (talk) 18:25, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anybody have a justifiable reason to support or oppose the inclusion of a link to the list criteria page in the lede, as stated above? Hadron137 (talk) 05:32, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've asked twice that you please discuss this matter. I'm going to go ahead and make the change I've described above, following the guidance in WP:DISCUSSFAIL. If you revert without responding here, then I'm going to have to file a complaint against you at ANI for disruptive editing by reverting without discussing.— Hadron137 (talk) 02:26, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

text:  Oppose per MOS:LINKSTYLE,   — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 10:17, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your thoughts, BillHPike. Do you know of a better way for an editor on a mobile device (cell phone, tablet) to know this page's inclusion criteria? These editors never see an edit box or the notice above this article's edit box. Hadron137 (talk) 02:43, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

text:  Oppose List criteria aren't explained in the lede part of articles....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:40, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  @WilliamJE Please read WP:SALLEAD. It states  Hadron137 (talk) 01:33, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

text: For about the fifth time, you have no consensus for this. What you're doing isn't done around here....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:33, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the reply, WilliamJE, but I disagree. What I'm doing is supported by WP:SALLEAD and MOS:BOLDAVOID. Adding inclusion criteria to the lede is very common on many Wikipedia lists. Including this information will communicate to readers that this list isn't alll- inclusive of every aviation mishap. And it will likely reduce the number of ineligible entries submitted - especially by users of mobile devices, who cannot see the notice above the edit box. Hadron137 (talk) 01:26, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explicit inclusion criteria 

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message: If you have a look of the Portuguese list, you will notice that the rules are different and this can cause confusion, I think this is terrible for Wikipedia since the lists are translation but conceptually different and if so, must be renamed. Please have a look: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_acidentes_aéreos
...William Could you please have a look? I don't think it makes sense.
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pp.amorim (talk • contribs) 20:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The rules here are quite clear. A aircraft must be able to seat 10 to be included on this list. You know something? The criteria, which have been in place over a decade, weren't even drawn up by me. Save your time for something else....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

text: Portuguese Wikipedia and English Wikipedia operate independtly from each other. There is zero need for the Portuguese and English lists to have the same criteria.  SSSB (talk) 10:30, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The rules in this list is mismatched with the Portuguese list 

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message: This one seems to be missing.  I would add it, with a source citation, but the article meta editing text says not to do it without a full blown Wiki article in place.
"Raleigh-Durham International Airport and the pilot of a stricken CASA C-212 twin-engine turboprop light cargo plane involved in a fatal incident on July 29"  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 13:42, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raleigh-Durham Airport CASA C-212 fatal incident 

message: We have articles which will pare down this "too-long" listing. See :List of aircraft hijackings and :List of airliner shootdown incidents. Every “incident” need not include the hijackings or war-time events. Hat-notes can direct the readers to the pertinent lists.  – S. Rich (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  TLDR - parse out and reduce length suggestions 

message: There are more than a few more plane crashes in 2023 that yall have missed, so I am adding them. The entries are based on Category:Aviation accidents and incidents in 2023. 113.210.92.159 (talk) 14:29, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have added more crashes to 2023 

message: This article is full of present tense statements, as if these accidents and incidents are ongoing. MOS:TENSE says, "Generally, use past tense only for past events..." Present tense is generally favored in articles (e.g., "Obama and Trump are former US presidents," not "Obama and Trump were US presidents"), but not when describing events that have already happened. In the case of air crash articles, they are always in the past. (We don't learn about them until they've happened. If they haven't happened, we don't know that they will happen, so it's a WP:Crystal ball issue.) This article needs a bit of fixing. I've done 2022-present. Dcs002 (talk) 01:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: 2024 had a mix of items in past and present tense, but the farther back I look, the more uniform the present tense becomes. Why is that? Historical events are in the past, not the present, and writing about them in the present tense affects readability and goes against the MOS. Am I missing something? I know some history buffs like to write in the present tense about battles and such, and that's fine, but we have a standardized Manual of Style here. I've changed 2022-now, and I'm going to pause here. If someone can justify this deviation from the MOS, I'll revert my own tense edits. Dcs002 (talk) 01:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past tense needed for past events 

message: ￼add 2001:B07:A3B:23C1:B4AC:DB68:316D:43CB (talk) 14:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dhc-8 and Cessna 172 mid air collision in Kenya 

message: https://avherald.com/h?article=516d7275&opt=1
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/378591 SignorPignolini (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add 727 safe air crash in South Sudan 

message: Okay Guys, you completely forgot a passenger plane crashed in March 17th, so guys, if you are reading this, make a new article about this plane, this plane overran a runway. Type of the plane is a Let L-410UVP. CarterCart (talk) 08:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Cetraca Aviation Service March 17 2024 Disaster.