Talk:Theresa, Countess of Portugal

message: Acording to this site this is true... I wonder if there is anyone here whom has knowledge about this. Acidburn24m 21:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, she wasn't.  Bishop Pelayo, writing during Teresa's lifetime, explicitly calls her daughter of noblewoman Jimena Muñoz (Alfonso's other mistress), and this is universally accepted by scholars. Agricolae 04:51, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said in Talk:Afonso I of Portugal:Hello Acidburn24m! Well... everyone in Europe and many of the Americans (in all of the Americas) are most probably descendents of prophet Muhammad... and of everyone at that time that reproduced sucessfully (let's say... had granchildren!) - see Last universal ancestor, Last Common Ancestor, Most recent common ancestor, Descent from antiquity, etc... Now, regarding the site you cite - they are wrong! Not in saying that Afonso I is a descendent of Muhammad - I believe he is and even remender seeing the present pretender to the Portuguese throne (Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza) stating that in several occasions (I'll try to find a source and more info on that). But the genealogy presented is wrong - first of all let me tell you that early Islamic genealogy does represent some problems, secondly Afonso's mother, Theresa, Countess of Portugal, was not the daughter of a Zaida (Isabella), Princess of Denia, as that site say, but of Ximena Moniz or Jimena Muñoz, daughter of Munio Moniz, Count of Bierzo and Muniadona Moniz. So... the lineage presented does not hold! I'll try to get back on this. See you soon. The Ogre 15:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Theresa, Countess of Portugal a decadent of prophet Muhammad 

message: Hello Agricolae! I see you have reverted my inclusion of Teresa's mother's parents (Munio Moniz, Count of Bierzo and Muniadona Moniz), saying that that they're still "still very much in dispute". Could you tell wahat the dispute is? You see, Genea Portugal, presents her, Ximena Moniz, as such, giving the following sources:
*Actas do 17º Congresso Internacional de Ciências Genealógica e Heráldica, Instituto Português de Heráldica, Lisboa, 1986, Tábua III, p.317.
*Luiz de Mello Vaz de São Payo, A Herança Genética de D. Afonso Henriques, Universidade Moderna, 1ª Edição, Porto, 2002, p.283.
*Felgueiras Gayo & Carvalhos de Basto, Nobiliário das Famílias de Portugal, 2ª Edição, Braga, 1989, vol. VI, p.51.
Could you enlight me? Thanks! The Ogre 15:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Teresa's mother

message: I am not questioning the propriety of Srnec's reversion of the recent move, because such a change of a long-held namespace should not take place without discussion, but out of curiosity I did a survey (admittedly not an exhaustive one) of Iberian scholarly histories written in English.  While Theresa was commonly used for the subject in the 19th century and into the early 20th (and in modern reprints of 19th century sources and Wikipedia mirrors), over the last 60 years or so the form Teresa seems to predominate in English-language works, including in the writings of Richard Fletcher and Bernard Reilly.  I don't feel all that strongly about it, but I think a move to Teresa, Countess of Portugal, would be justified on this basis. Agricolae (talk) 18:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
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