Talk:Transformers: Cybertron

message: First of all the "Transformers: Cybertron" entry is a split-up essay on the continuity of this and the last two Japanese/American Transformers cartoons.  It resembles a useful entry because there is an episode summary in the middle but for the most part it is just a poor essay.  It is just a poor essay because the entire basis is a mistaken presupposition, an incorrect idea, that this cartoon shares the same continuity of the prior two series or follows that continuity.
Secondly this entry would serve more if it recorded/presented details on the apropriate toyline as well as the cartoon.
Thirdly, the intentions of whatever corporate parties regarding the links between this franchise and that of past Transformers properties are irrelevent compared to the final product.  There's a heavy basis in this article built strictly upon what perhaps this should have been without a proper focus on what we have instead.  When it comes to the cartoon the other two cartoons are irrelevent.  Transformers: Cybertron has as much to do with any previous Transformers as the modern Battlestar Galactica has to do with the seventies series.   There's a lot of material in this bloody entry that has jack shite to do with the relevent topic.
I also find it wierd and somewhat indicative of the writer's interest based on the notion that the show is accurate and the toys' writings are "inaccurate" to the cartoon's continuity.  It's somewhat sad, really.  Having read the stuff on the toy packaging I'd bet that the toy line really does come off of the backstory of the previous two toylines but the cartoons are a seperate animal.  The important thing to note that the largest of the reasons for the cartoons' existence is to be a 20-minute advertisement for the toys, like it or not.
To descend into nerdity myself it has been apparent for some time that the canon that the toys' data cards represent is entirely from that of the cartoons and has always been that way.  Similarities and parallels are only supposed to exist for characterization but otherwise are coincidental.  So there is no mutual continuity for there to be a continuity conflict.  There is no shared continuity between Transformers: Energon and Transformers: Cybertron so there is no continuity conflict there.  
This entire article has a strange choice of emphasis.
I could of course, write a better one, except for two things.  Item the first, my knowledge of the series is inferior.  Item the second, I wouldn't write or re-write an entire wiki simply because that's a lot of work for absolutely minimal pay-off and we all know it.
bluespider
That was a very negative post that could have been worded in a much kinder and more effective fasion. For the record, had you said there was no connection between Superlink and Galaxy Force, you may have had a point. Hasbro has been adamant that Cybertron is a continuation of Energon. To claim you know the focus of this article when your knowledge of the subject is lacking is also questionable. The "pay-off" of writing a better wiki, lastly, is to have it written. I have read the article and noticed some issues, but am working on how to make it better, rather than flaunting my ability to "write a better one," and then walking away. If you, or anyone else, have specific points of error you would like to single out, please do so; but do not come by and simply insult something that many people have put thier time and effor into.--Orion Minor 11:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have March Break off, and though admittedly I've only seen everything from the first episode to Critical (episode 27) in English, and everything past City in the Japanese subs made available, I would have time to rewrite this, and may be the only one willing to, by the looks of it. I just wouldn't know how to go about it-- doing it as a 52 episode synopsis is very ridiculous, and it might be better off as character descriptions or something. If I can do something without getting yelled at with something along those lines, I'm thinking it'd be much better off as an article. --ArrEmmDee 20:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is an incredibly poor article 

message: I recommend you guys talk to someone(like me) who has access to the fan club comics. The comics make efforts to explain the continuity errors. They are official canon, and anything else is fan opinion. Cybertron is a continuation of Transformers Energon. Vector Prime states that time shifting and unravelling is getting worse, causing history changes that lead to memory loss and memory problems. The ending of Energon, sealing Unicron in a star, is what caused the black hole. Ramjet cites this as the reason that Primus is a poor God and uses it against Vector Prime, emotionally. 
Oh, and in the final episode of Cybertron, the armada kids and Kicker, now 10 years older than their last appearance show up with the other humans in the crowd to wave off the Cybertronian ships. Kicker specifically looks very cool.
:I just watched the final episode of Cybertron and this does indeed happen. The Armada kids (who now in their thirties due to the two ten year gaps) are shown with the parts of Preceptor behind them, while Kicker (who is in his twenties and does, in fact, look cool), in a different shot, is shown with the image of Energon Hot Shot in the background. They are not tucked into the crowd in an Easter egg fashion. I grabbed two screenshots of them. In my opinion, this solidifies Cybertron in the "Unicron Trilogy." Finally, when Primus awakens, he makes direct references to the destruction of Unicron.
:The following should be a link to the images, I have yet to learn about uploading images (and the bars at the top and bottom of the screen need to be removed) so I'll leave that to a more wiki-conscious Cybertron fan.
:http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/OrionMinor/Kicker.jpg
:http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/OrionMinor/ArmadaKids.jpg
:--Orion Minor 23:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuity 

message: There really isn't anything in this section that needs its own article.  Oh, and please only use m for minor edits, rolling back changes is not minor. ^_^ - brenneman(t)(c) 02:12, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: this article is huge
:Yeah?  See the Witwicky family article!  Wikipedia:  A New Dimension of Transformers Trivia!  oneismany
:Both are huge but their both as big as the Transformers Armada article...Aelita the Angel
::It was 90 kilobytes at the time of the comment. I trimmed it down. ' 09:01, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  holy fucking shit 

message: The notion that a lack of continutity in the Transformers universe should attract criticism is itself laughable.  Even in G1 the episodes were more a pastiche of repeated character-relations than stories per se.  Further elaborations of Transformers concepts and histories, in the movie and succeeding series, only counterpoint the fact that the stories are made up to serve the toy lines.  oneismany 10:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuity?  In Transformers? 

message: The amount of information in the episode section warrants its own article. Most other show articles do this. It would also help by getting rid of that massive index at the top of the page. Then, where's the episode list? (Izaak 11:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move the Episodes 

message: Cyber Planet Key has been merged into the Transformers: Cybertron article. As suggested some time ago. The Cyber Palnet Key article wasn't even properly sourced, anyway. NotARealWord (talk) 03:40, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged articles 

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