Talk:Chicago Outfit

message: What scares me about this article of the Chicago Outfit is the wrong info being put in this article. As officer on Chicago Gangs and Crimes Unit for 20 years. I feel that my work is being made into mockery with this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.203.136.247 (talk) 16:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a purpose to this article if there is wrong info 

message: Is there anything us Wikipedians can do to remove the wrong info? Some way we can contact the person who left this message? Also, I remember an author named Bill Brashler who was on the History Channel program History's Mysteries, specifically an episode entitled The Legacy of Al Capone. In that episode, Brashler stated that the Chicago Outfit was not part of the Mafia, but was, in fact, a general gang. He further said that this explained the reason it was called the Outfit, or "the boys." Is there a way that can be put into this article? And003 (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reply 

message: Not even a tenth of this article comes from the scant-few references listed at the bottom of the page.  And this isn't a suggestion to start adding on "after-work" references that weren't used as research in the creation of the article, which is an epidemic on Wikipedia.  So many times links to references go to unaccessible websites that clearly weren't used as research to write the article.  So please do not start adding on references just to "authenticize" this article.  
On another note, there are numerous still-living persons listed, some of which have never been connected to organized crime but only rumored to be connected to organized crime.  Or relatives of alleged members listed simply because they are relatives of alleged members, but actually have no involvement whatsoever in a criminal lifestyle.
To sum it up, someone knowledgeable on the subject needs to really look at this article and decide what needs to be done with it. Seriously. Lock & Key (talk) 09:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lack of References

message: *(Called, The Four Fathers) 
A vandal inserted this remark into the article under "present leaders."  Lethal Weapon 4 has been on cable lately.  In it are four Japanese godfathers known as "The Four Fathers." I guess the vandal thought it would be funny to insert that into the article.  Quite lame. Lock & Key (talk) 09:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: The first link on the external links is a prank link.  The first link in the "External Links" section goes to a site with completely made up bosses, members, and information.  It's pretty childish thing to do.  So I have removed it.
Here was the link: http://www.chicagomafia.netfirms.com 
Again, I am removing it right now. --Lock & Key 19:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links Prankster

message: This isn't at all my area of expertise, but it looks like this page was vandalized on the 18th.  I removed the obvious false nicknames and replaced them with the nicknames that were present before, but I hope someone with expert knowledge will check up on this.  I also apologize if I removed any legit edits along with the vandalism.  TriNotch 05:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Chinatowns across the world are extremely close knit and in no circumstance has there been an outside ethnic crime group that controlled rackets in chinatowns where in every case the crime is controlled by local or foreign tied Triad groups. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.166.104.26 (talk • contribs) 
You might want to look into your comment. In Chicago, the Outfit has the final say, so a Chinese Triad isn't going to make waves. Take Ken Eto for example. He was the Outfit's man. The reason its called the "Chinatwon Crew" is because of is geography, most of the crew is actually on 26th Street.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.39.183 (talk) 15:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinatown crew 

message: I removed the external links. They require cleanup and "thinning". I cleaned up the rest of the article and removed some of the commentary which was associated with certain people and thier current or presumed current positions in the organization. Please continue that work. Thanks, --Daysleeper47 (talk) 16:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I have removed material from  that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.
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thread_title:  Removals 

message: I have removed some serious abuse of the piped links facility. See Wikipedia:Piped link for more information on piping links. It is not intended to result in long links that clutter the article. Please think of the reader and keep links simple. Ground Zero | t 11:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Piped links

message: al capone was a Italian-American mobster so why dose it all say gangster when he was in the mob and the mob top boss of the chicago crime family  —Preceding unsigned comment added by I love girls bums (talk • contribs) 21:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  al capone was a Italian-American mobster 

message: Al Capone was Italian yes not a Sicilian but he was a part of the Mafia the Chicago crime family or the outfit witch is a Italian American Mafia in Chicago not a gang but a Mafia that runs and workS like any other Sicilian Mafia and has Sicilians in it and one of the most known bosses was Sicilian Tony Accardo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.86.54 (talk) 20:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it.  Out of curiosity, why didn't you remove it?Sperril (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article is so wrong 

message: I have removed material from  that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.
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thread_title:  Material removed 

message: The name of this article is 'Chicago Outfit' however the name of the crime syndicate is stated in the first sentence of the article to be 'The Chicago Outfit.' Which is correct? Can someone please correct the disparity?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.82.175 (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no disparity. Wikipedia naming convention is to omit the definite article at the beginning of the title; see WP:THE. —Lowellian (reply) 22:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of this article 

message: I think this section should be merged with, or at least reference the Mob Film article and  Mafia_films  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapsity24 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film section  

message: There doesn't seem to be any information about the legitimate businesses they have setup. Is there nothing to add for them? Govvy (talk) 00:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  legitimate businesses 

message: I took down a large section that seems with much confirmation. There has been a war also - an Internet addie and Ted - I found this  at Arbitration page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#BLP_issue - Do stop writing this story without resolution - Mosfetfaser (talk) 04:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent large story inseted 

message: “The Outfit” was historically not a Mafia family.  The small Chicago Mafia family headed by Giuseppe "Joe" Aiello was more puritanical in their ways than some of the NYC families, especially that of the most liberal family headed by Charles "Lucky" Luciano who didn’t hold to what he considered to be the hidebound ways of the old “moustache Petes,”  Even though he was Sicilian himself, he didn’t much care about ethnicity in choosing his business partners in crime.  Although he didn’t dare to accept non-Italians as “made men,” he did accept non-Sicilian Southern Italians.  The Aiello Family would not.  Therefore, Colosimo, Torrio and Capone—all non-Sicilians—could not enter the Chicago Mafia family.
The organization that Capone inherited from Colosimo, via Torrio, did not have the ceremonial initiation or the formal positional titles that characterizes the Mafia and it included non-Italians, including highly placed ones such as the Jewish Jake Guzik, Capone’s de facto CFO.  In time, The Outfit far outpaced the Chicago Mafia Family which eventually faded into oblivion after Aiello's murder. leaving Chicago as one of only two major U. S. cities in which organized crime was not dominated by the Mafia during the “glory days” of organized crime.  (The other was Detroit where The Purple Gang was powerful.)
Another important distinction between the Mafia and Capone’s Outfit was that while the former has historically been run along the lines of a franchise enterprise, the latter was run more as a conventional business.  In the Mafia, for the most part solders and associates are responsible for generating their own income via various rackets and blue collar crimes (such as robberies) and would then be obligated to kick a percentage upstairs within the organization as a sort of franchise fee.  Being a member of the Mafia franchise system entitles members to certain benefits.  (They might sometimes be paid a bonus for doing something special such as executing a “hit.”)
On the other hand, Capone’s organization was run as a conventional business enterprise and people within the organization were de facto employees who were paid wages and included a great many people who never handled a firearm and would never think of doing such. An example would be brewery workers during prohibition.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 23:18, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chicago Outfit is an Italian-American Mafia crime family. It is not a street gang nor an independent criminal organisation. The name "Chicago Outfit" is merely a title created by the media and tabloids, and the title has simply never been addressed by the last name of a Boss like the New York Five Families, example being the Genovese crime family named after Vito Genovese. The Outfit has adopted the Italian-American Mafia rank structure. They also sit on The Commission and have since for nearly 75 years, which consists of other Italian-American crime families across the United States, the commission being the basis for order and peace within all of the crime families.ActorBoss (talk) 01:41, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What I wrote was true at the time of Capone’s reign.  As you point out, the organization later evolved into a more classic Mafia family.  Do you know if they now have the initiation ceremony and the designation of “made men” as distinct from associates?  If so, will they accept non-Italians as made men?  Thank you.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 13:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Outfit" is not a Mafia Family 

message: I added some new information under the heading "territories" that talks about the locations of the several Chicago Outfit street crews.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhuetson (talk • contribs) 00:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Try integrating this info into the history section. The section you added was completely out of place. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 23:58, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Territories 

message: I added more information on the Genna brothers and Johnny Torrio.
I also added some more information about the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhuetson (talk • contribs) 19:33, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prohibition Era and Capone 

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