Talk:Missouri–Nebraska football rivalry

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message: I have added in a tag on this page because the entire article is unsubstantiated.  A person could basically make this same page and claim a rivalry exists between Nebraska vs nearly every other former Big 8 opponent, be it Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Oklahoma State.  All have had some current success against Nebraska and there are likely those from each school who would look at any of them as a rival.  That does not meet the criteria for consideration of a rivalry.  Also, one reference is completely twisted around, no mention of rivalry is made in the reference yet the statement in the wiki page points to the reference as source of a rivalry statement.  
The rivalry pages for Colorado and Missouri should not even exist.  They are not Nebraska rivalries.  Rivalry defined is the act of rivaling or the fact or condition of being a rival or rivals in competition, however the act of competition in rivalry defined states that to be a rival, one must demonstrate equal or near to abilities as the other(s) in order to correctly be defined as rivalries.  Nebraska vs Oklahoma is a rivalry, due to the all time series record being so close (44–38–3 in favor of Oklahoma).  However, Nebraska has a big lead over Colorado in their series record (48–18–2 in favor of Nebraska) and an even bigger lead in the series record over Missouri (64-36-3 in favor of Nebraska).  Favoring recent outcomes and not taking into account the history in the series is not a proper move, the entire series has to be taken into account, and when done so properly only Oklahoma truly fits the definition of a Nebraska's rival.  
I will wait for further discussion on this topic, or for referenced proof (not one sided from one college paper or a schoool specific fan site) that in fact these are rivalries, however understand that proof may exist from one or both schools stating unequivocally that a rivalry does in fact not exist, which can also be taken into account.  Unless such references are produced, I will request that this page be removed from Wikipedia for failing to meet the standards required.  RTShadow (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found references from neutral newspapers in Columbia, Omaha, and Lincon.  I've found a reference from ESPN, both school websites, and from collegefootballhistory.com.  Many of these references I've added to the article, and so removed your tag.  This page would absolutely survive a deletion discussion. Grey Wanderer (talk) 20:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found references from neutral websites that discuss the game as not being a rivalry, along with several University of Nebraska articles where both coaches and administration refer to the game as "not a rivalry" (in reference to the Colorado game) and I'm certain I could do the same for Missouri.  The problem here is that by the parameters set forth to refer to Colorado and Missouri as 'rivals' could be used to state that Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and even Oklahoma State could be referred to as 'rivals', considering that the have all had recent success against Nebraska.  Fact of the matter is this:  Colorado and Nebraska may refer to Nebraska as a rival, but Nebraska does not view either of them as rivals.  RTShadow (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please find Reliable sources to back that up and I'm sure the opinion can be incorporated. Grey Wanderer (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Since both schools have been in the Big Eight and are now both inter-division schools, I find it hard to believe these two can't be considered to have a rivalry. The Big 12 has a few major inter-division and inter-conference rivalries and even some of the "smaller" inter-division rivalries should still be considered for inclusion here. NThomas (talk) 07:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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message: I am considering consolidating all of Nebraska's current rivalry articles (Nebraska–Oklahoma football rivalry, Colorado–Nebraska football rivalry, Missouri–Nebraska football rivalry) into a single article, and also adding to it the three major historical rivalries (Pitt, Notre Dame, Minnesota).  Thoughts? Fjbfour (talk) 16:06, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your well intentioned Fjbfour, but your taking a purely Nebraska point of view.  Your welcome to create a Nebraska rivalries page. But these rivalries are only half about nebraska.  Why should they be part of a nebraska centric page as opposed to a Colorado or Oklahoma page?  All three pages easily meet WP:Notability, WP:Verifiability and should be located at their own mainspace.  You can't consolidate on the grounds that Nebraska is the common thread here any more than I could merge this page with all the other Missouri rivalry pages.  Grey Wanderer (talk) 17:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That was an excellent facepalm moment you gave me.  I didn't think that one through very well at all.  I withdraw the suggestion!  Thanks for the much-needed headslap.  Fjbfour (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

text:  Missouri and Illinois is not a traditional football rivalry.  While it has become a trophy game in recent years, the two teams have only met 24 times, and there have not been any historically significant games in the series.  Missouri and Nebraska, on the other hand, have met 103 times. This game has been a trophy game since 1926. Nebraska's string of consecutive sell out games began with a game against Missouri.  Some of the record crowds at both stadiums have been games in this series. There have also been historically significant moments such as the Flea Kicker. To say "for most of the series Nebraska was a power while Mizzou was down" is complete nonsense.  The series dates back to 1892, and the Nebraska dominance did not begin until 1979.  BlueGold73 (talk) 01:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: VERY poorly researched, BlueGold, this is a valid point that he has made.  Missouri is not a rival to Nebraska or their fans.  64-36-3 series record, which is FAR more lopsided in the last 50 years, does not a rivalry make.  You best check the stats next time before making such a claim.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.70.55.44 (talk) 19:47, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it appears that you're the one who has not done any research, citing only the series record rather than any other claims that support the rivalry status.  In addition to the facts that I previously mentioned, there are plenty of sources online that would support the rivalry status. The following sources are just a few of them:  BlueGold73 (talk) 11:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 174.70.55.44 = Owned.  Strong work, sir. Fjbfour (talk) 15:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rivalry consolidation?

message: I reworded this slightly, as we now know the collapsable goal posts have not ended the practice of rushing the field and taking the goalposts down and on to Harpo's. Wschart (talk) 21:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
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