Talk:Conjoined twins

message: Someone incorrectly listed conjoined twins born in the year 2000 under the 21st Century.  I moved them to the 20th Century list.  FYI, the 21st century began on 1 January 2001.  The year 2000 was the last year of the 20th Century.
For future reference, in case anyone needs it, there was no year numbered '0' because the Anno Domine system of counting years was established retroactively (see the article on the Julian and Gregorian calendars for details):
First Century, AD 1 - AD 100 (or 1 CE - 100 CE)
Second Century, AD 101 - AD 200
...
Tenth Century, AD 901 - AD 1000
Eleventh Century, AD 1001 - AD 1100
...
Twentieth Century, AD 1901 - AD 2000
Twenty-First Century, AD 2001 - AD 2100
Unlike birthdays and anniversaries, which are counted from the end of a year, centuries and monarchial epochs are counted from the beginning of a year.
Thus, although 6 February 1953 was the first anniversary of Queen Elizabeth II's accession; the first year of her reign began 6 February 1952.
Likewise, the year 2000 marked the second millenium Anno Domine - that is, it marked the end of 2000 years of tabulation.  But the third millenium and, with it, the twenty-first century, did not begin until 2001. 
First decade of 21rst Century:  1/1/2001 - 31/12/2010
Second decade:  1/1/2011 - 31/12/2020
Third decade:  1/1/2021 - 31/12/2030
...
Ninth decade:  1/1/2081 - 31/12/2090
Tenth decade of 21rst Century:  1/1/2091 - 31/12/2100
The 22nd Century will begin 1/1/2101.
76.126.3.38 (talk) 08:02, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 21st Century Began with 2001

message: I shortened this section and kept in more well-known references to the best of my ability. The list was getting frivolous. In my opinion, I think that the list of conjoined twins section should also be shortened as it contains many dead links.Daskos99 (talk) 01:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Conjoined twins in popular culture

message: The article makes no mention of the possibility, or any documented cases, of conjoined triplets or quadruplets. It seems more information can be found (with library references), here and here. 70.241.97.2 (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Conjoined triplets

message: Th only source is an author's opinion on the subject from a single article. Can we say it is pejorative based on the opinion of one reporter? Either it needs more sources, needs to be elaborated, or just removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.80.185 (talk) 23:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siamese Twin's - Pejorative? 

message: Should mention movie on subject.  --Daniel C. Boyer 23:48, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Stuck on You''

message: I read that there are two different theories of how siamese twins come to be - the more commonly known one being the "fission" theory (an egg fails to completely seperate and thus two babies are joined), but the "fusion" theory (soft tissue during the first few weeks of birth joins when twin babies are cramped together in the womb) explains twins who are joined back to back, and would bring a measure of credulity to the term "conjoined".
:Although the fission theory was once widely accepted, modern experimentation appears to have refuted it and confirmed that conjoined twins are caused by "fusion" ().  Schzmo 22:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The fusion theory, as it is popularly known, does not quite say what people think it does.  The fusion, such as it is, happens when each embryo is about 3 layers of cells thick.  Calling this "fusion" gives an impression of two fully formed fetuses merging, which is not accurate.  Furthermore, more recent research contradicts the review cited.  See, e.g.,  Childs Nerv Syst. 2004 Aug;20(8-9):508-25. Epub 2004 Jul 27. []: "Conjoined twinning occurs by the incomplete splitting of the embryonic axis and, with the exception of parasitic conjoined twins, all are symmetrical and "the same parts are always united to the same parts". Fusion of monozygotic twins is no longer believed to be the basis of conjoined twinning." Nandesuka 01:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

text: You did get an answer on the male-female question, if the person above you is right about gender "not mutating like that". (Conjoined twins could only be different genders if one's gender mutated.) However, that person also said that there have been conjoined triplets and I know of no such case (and have read that there has been no such case). There have just been identical triplets where two are conjoined. That person also said that the world's oldest [conjojned] twins (presumably meaning Lori and Reba Schappell, actually just the oldest female conjoined twins) are not symmetrically joined, but they are - just rotationally rather than laterally. Salopian (talk) 15:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fission theory vs. Fusion theory? 

message: "In some cases, parts of the brain have been known to be shared between conjoined twins joined at the head." any examples of this? survivability? seems to be an incredible event with many implications. Oh and that picture is truly gruesome.
hey is this how you answer a question? well, there are a couple of little girls from italy due to be seperated in June 07 who share a little brain matter. if i remember correctly, its part of one girl's occipital lobe and somewhere around the other's pariatal lobe that overlap. I have no idea how they'll make their way around this problem when they seperate them, but they have to, because both kidneys of one of the girls are failing.
Venna And Vani shared a brain.look it up on google images.Coolgirly88 20:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  one brain 

message: Does the mother feels more pain then a normal chlid birth?
:I would think that women pregnant with conjoined twins would have a c-section. Emzly_Emzie
::I would think so as well, but in earlier times (middle ages and before), how did they a) diagnose conjoined twins and b) perform a c-section without the mother dying? Jalwikip 15:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pain 

message: The "Conjoined twins in history" section seems to address the subject mainly from a Western/European perspective. I highly doubt that the "earliest known case" of the condition in all of human history dates from A.D. 945. Most of the other examples discussed seem to be of European or American origin as well. --Slowking Man 05:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Systemic bias in "Conjoined twins in history" section 

message: I think the "Types of Conjoined Twins" should perhaps be put before the "History" section -- reading the History, it mentions what types of twins certain people were, which leaves one a bit confused until they read the Types section.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.127.230 (talk • contribs)  23:51, 13 April 2007
:Hear, hear.  --Kingers 17:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: does anyone know why siamese twins are called saimese twins? Is it racially/ethnicity linked or is it just one of those things? Started by ignorant people because they had a grudge? Does anyone know the origins of the term?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.253.110 (talk) 05:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  meaning 

message: When they do scans during pregnancy, is it obvious that the twins are cojoined, and can they tell the extent or anything like what organs are shared? Or is it one of those things you only find out after giving birth? 79.68.57.25 (talk) 11:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  During pregancy 

message: I'm wondering if there are any documented cases of attempting to separate conjoined twins using an axe.
Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.24.72.172 (talk) 08:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documented Cases 

message: It would be good to have some information about how different countrys handles with the juridical problems that can appear with conjoined twins. Crime and punishment (what if one of them must go to jail?), marriage (juridical, sexual AND religion questions), ID-cards, voting, parentals (who is the mother/father), taxes (one or two tickets for airplane, cinema, buffet, doctors payments, etc), driving license (some has succeeded this). Or juridical conflicts between the twins.
In the case this problems has appear it would be intresting to know how it was solved. Fabbe (talk) 15:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Abigail and Brittany Hensel both have driving licences, and both had to sit their test. I seem to remember a program about them last year.82.6.1.85 (talk) 21:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juridical questions/problems 

message: Is it necessary to use the painting of the Bunker twins twice in this article? --Ericdn (talk) 11:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painting used twice: Bunker twins 

message: I don't see the Bailey twins (Emma and Taylor) born in 2006,who share a heart (and are up for separation soon),mentioned here.They are the longest living conjoined twins who share a heart.
Currently a campaign called Two Sisters/One Heart is being utilized to help raise funds for their upcoming surgery.
www.emmaandtaylorbailey.blogspot.com/
Also Lisa Chamberlain,from Britain,is expecting conjoined twins,who also,at this point,appear to share a heart,with connecting fully-formed bodies as well.I do not know her due date.  
Nc40lady (talk) 15:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Conjoined Twins 

message: In Kendra and Maliyah's case, it says that the book is the only book written by a parent of conjoined twins, but thisisn't true. Parents of former conjoined twin Lea Block have written a book about their experiences.--24.138.78.39 (talk) 11:35, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I need a book title and ISBN to check before change the article, more specifically. --The New Mikemoral ♪♫ 02:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 

message: In the article Rosa Blazek's pregnancy is stated as fact, but there are conflicting doctor's reports.  A port-mortem autopsy was said to have shown evidence that neither twin had ever been pregnant (http://thehumanmarvels.com/?p=139).  According to the comments there was a doctor who claimed to have been present for the birth.  I don't have primary sources for any of this conjecture, so I'm not going to change the article at this time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.253.187.182 (talk) 13:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rosa Blazek Pregnancy 

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message: I've removed from the first the following parenthetical information: "(also known as Shalonda or a Renesha)".  These are not terms I had heard before, and a quick google search brings up no information on their relevance to conjoined twins.  The article does not explain the etymology or significance of these terms.  They may be terms used in another language for conjoined twins, but unless somebody can show their use in English or relevance to English-language material, I think it is better to leave them out.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.192.150 (talk) 00:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shalonda and Renesha 

message: I've seen reports of apprently normal individuals who turn out to be a fusion of two genetically distinct individuals: this can upset DNA testing.  So I'm wondering if some of them are genetically distinct.  --GwydionM (talk) 19:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are conjoined twins always identical twins? 

message: Would twins joined at the head/brain be one person with an extra body on their head, or have separate minds/personalities? Also, do they share the same DNA? 142.166.204.52 (talk) 01:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individuality 

message: The following statement is inaccurate:  "In 1987, Ben Carson made medical history by being the first surgeon in the entire world to successfully separate conjoined twins (the Binder twins) conjoined at the back of the head (craniopagus twins). Operations to separate twins joined in this way had always failed, resulting in the death of one or both of the infants."
The first successful separation of craniopagus twins was in fact performed in 1979 by Dr. Theodore S. Roberts et al at the University of Utah Medical Center.  
Please google "Lisa and Elisa Hansen" and/or refer to these newspaper articles: 
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1980/11/09/page/6/article/once-joined-at-head-twins-still-display-a-special-bond/index.html
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/930331/Utah-twins-have-come-far.html?pg=all
99.28.65.29 (talk) 06:26, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction re Craniopagus Twins 

message: Not mentioned in article. 109.157.79.50 (talk) 21:57, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does "ectopagus" redirect here? 

message: Need to mention the movie "Twin Falls Idaho" (1999). 173.167.122.145 (talk) 08:21, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Conjoined twins in ficiton

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message: There is a fantastic second-hand source from John Skylitzes who made a book in which contained many images of various stuff. In one of them he has made some drawing of the separation of the conjoined twins in which happened in Constantinople in the 940’s.
 
The image is in that text beneath. You can see how some doctors examine the conjoined twins, and at the end you can see how they try to separate the dead body of the death one:
http://www.medievalists.net/2014/01/the-case-of-conjoined-twins-in-10th-century-byzantium/
About John Skylitzes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Skylitzes
Can anybody upload the image?
En historiker (talk) 19:02, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don’t know how to upload an image. So, could someone do it? 

message: I was reading the article and noticed that it did not include Allison and David Lawler's conjoined twins, Mary Grace and Elizabeth Rix.
Information from this was gained from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121413/ . The twins were successfully birthed, but died shortly after. They were joined at the heart. Yes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:B7D0:D4C0:D0BE:159D:AE23:1F15 (talk) 00:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Allison and David Lawler's twins from 2001 

message: This article had more than 40 examples of characters in al types of fiction, a mixed grab-bag of trivia that is exactly what wikipedia topic articles are not supposed to be. I have removed most of them, except notable examples where the twins are the central point of the fiction (rather than just one of several characters). If somebody wants to create a list article, you can find the entire list in an earlier edit. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:34, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello @DavidWBrooks, I did too: Apart from almost no sourcing, there was also a WP:PROPORTION problem. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiction 

message: I think placing the photo of the conjoined lambs in the "notable people" section is in poor taste.  Please consider moving it elsewhere in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.203.200 (talk) 15:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placement of the lamb photo 

message: "Approximately half are stillborn, and an additional one-third die within 24 hours."
This strikes me as unclear. One-third of the remaining half that aren't stillborn, or like one-third overall, from the original total?  As in, 50% stillborn, 33% within the next day, 17% survive? 68.119.87.117 (talk) 15:18, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear sentence in the intro regarding survival rates 

message: Is it standard English to refer to the four chambers of the human heart aw "rooms"? TomS TDotO (talk) 03:26, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  room = chamber of the heart? 

message: Should anything be mentioned about conjoined triplets or the only known case of them?https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(04)01826-5/abstract Startrain844 (talk) 18:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triplets