Talk:Desperado (chess)

message: Well, I rm'd the first example since it was just a stalemate trap, not a desperado piece... only to see that all the examples are stalemate traps. Go ahead and shoot me down if I'm wrong, but a desperado piece is a piece which is exchanged off, but manages to do extra damage before being re-taken. It's not applicable to stalemate swindles. <eleland/talkedits> 23:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Oxford Companion to Chess gives two definitions - yours and the one in the article.  I've restored the deleted material, but the article should also give the other definition.  Bubba73 (talk), 02:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples are all strange 

message: Another example of a desparato piece leading to a stalemate trap is Pein - de Firmian, Bermuda 1995, ref: Practical Endgame Play by Neil McDonald, but I think there are already enough examples in the article.  Bubba73 (talk), 16:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it to "Further reading".  Bubba73 (talk), 01:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I decided to not add it since there are enough examples already.  But add it if you think it should be there.  Bubba73 (talk), 03:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another example

message: The way I remember it a desperado is one that's going to be lost anyway (desperado = lost all hope) and therefore does the maximum possible damage before it goes, rather than one which is determined to sacrifice itself. I also have a vague memory that desperado pieces in that sense are  disproportionately involved in zwischenzugs, especially checks. Philcha (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm most familiar with phrases like "desperado knight" rather than "desperado" on its own, so "desperado piece" is fine with me. As for the disambiguation at desperado, it's a little bit of advertising for chess :-) Philcha (talk) 18:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, that is a common usage.  Even in this case I don't think desperado is an adjective.  It might be a compound noun, but I'm not a grammar theory person.  Either way "desperado piece" doesn't seem unreasonable when viewed that way, although it still seems a little troublesome to me. We start "A desperado piece is a piece ..." whereas Hooper&Whyld start "'desperado, a piece, en prise or trapped, ..." and Golombek starts "DESPERADO A piece which, ...".  Plugging in our "desperdo piece" in to either definition would logically lead to "A desperado piece is a piece piece ...".  Our article title strongly suggests that "desperado" can't stand on its own without modifiying something or being part of a compound, but this isn't the case.  Quale (talk) 02:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with move to Desperado (chess).  The word is a noun, not an adjective, as someone correctly stated above.  Bubba73 (talk), 06:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: No objections, so I did it.  Bubba73 (talk), 22:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of "desperado piece"

message: Just as a note,  presents a section of the text on Bogolyubov-Schmid on p. 42 that is identical to this article, but the text here predates 2009, so if there is a copyvio, it goes the other way. 209.6.54.254 (talk) 15:09, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I contacted the author of that book and got this response: "The book is no longer published. Sorry for the inadvertent plagiarism." Joriki (talk) 09:51, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy of this article

message: Is “... before it is itself captured”, which is currently in the lede, really part of the definition? The term is used differently in Promotion_(chess)#Strategy. ◅ Sebastian 06:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two different definitions.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 07:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   How is this answer supposed to help? It doesn't matter if you call it “two different definitions” or regard it as two variants, both agree in the part I quoted. ◅ Sebastian 13:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  “... before it is itself captured” 

message: The redirect Desperation Move has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.   Jay 💬 07:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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