Talk:Hunter College High School/Archive 1

message: Secy of Commerce Ron Brown went to Hunter Elementary, but not Hunter High School
: Hi, there.  I stand corrected on Ron Brown; I only added him because there was a link from his page to this one.  But I don't know why you deleted Michael A. Burstein and Mike Maronna.  Were they expelled or what? --Tinlinkin 23:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: alums

message: I don't think it is appropriate for this school to have its own infobox. Perhaps use the normal school infobox and delete it? Enochlau 10:53, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done!--Anakata 03:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: Perhaps this should be a separate section? --Hermitage 11:20, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  notable alumnae/i 

message: Even the title of this section seems ... POV?  derogatory?  I'm not sure, but I don't like it.  I'd suggest replacing it with a section on "normal" high school things that Hunter lacks, such as a football team, homecoming king and queen, prom king and queen, validictorian and salutitorian, class ranks, ...  
--zandperl 16:01, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  so-called "subcultures" 

message: What, no Bridge section?  Standards must have fallen!
Seriously, I like all the new material a lot. Really interesting to see what remains the same and what has changed in the 7 years since I graduated. I don't know if it's really "encyclopedic", but who cares, as it goes beyond the usualy boring stuff. Thanks for doing it. --Hermitage 08:00, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  culture section 

message: (title changed from "possible error?" Podkayne 00:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible error in diploma requirements? 

message: I don't even think it has to be discussed that a "hallway" (especially one of a high school) should have its own article.  I'm not even sure this is appropriate for a wikipedia article at all, but at the very least it should be merged into the article on the highschool.--Esprit15d 14:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Personally, I have to object to the amount of attention lavished on the Freak Hallway.  I graduated in 2004, and find it hard to believe that the hallway has become as important as the page would indicate.  As I remember, it was a place where 10 or 15 students ate their lunch and hung out.  While the kids who spent time there may have embraced their "geek" status, let's face it: if you went to Hunter, you were a geek/nerd/weirdo.  Frankly, any mention of the Freak Hallway isn't appropriate on Wikipedia.  If there were an article about the Freak Hallway in some source worth citing, then perhaps it's worth including, but to my knowledge that isn't the case.
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It is a fact that hunter is in competition with many other schools that are specialized.   It is also stated fact that many leave to go to these specialized schools.  Please don't remove facts. 24.239.149.9 14:42, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now called the loser hallway, not the freak hallway. 146.95.24.81 (talk) 16:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Freak Hallway 

message: I'm curious about the source for some of the killer-related material in the extracurricular activities section -- in particular the claims about events in the 1980's. I played killer at HCHS from 84-87 and I ran the games in 86-87.  The infamous transit police incident with K.H., while serious, is being overblown.  He was never nearly shot.  As _I_ recall, he was simply stopped.  There were also mitigating circumstances -- he painted his gun black and had it visible.  I'm also unaware of the taxicab or arm breaking stories during the 80s.  We did jump in front of a moving taxicab's hood once, but the windshield never broke (consider how much force this would require).  Anyway, I'm confident that the "nearly shot" bit is too strong and I'd like to hear if someone has first hand knowledge of the other events.  --Stefansavage 08:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with keeping the Killer section, although I don't endorse it. I left Hunter before the 12th grade, so don't ask me what I know about it. See also my post below. --Tinlinkin 09:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killer "lore" 

message: The main page discusses Brick Prison Playhouse as a group that performs student-written material and Hunter Theater Ensemble as a group that does non-Hunter plays. The existence of both groups at a time must be new. I seem to remember that up until the late 80s there was only the Brick Prison Playhouse. The administration forced the group to change its name to Hunter Theater Ensemble because Brick Prison Playhouse was too pejorative and gave a bad impression or something like that. Students called HTE "HATE" for the first few years because we were annoyed at the forced name change. It sounds like the name has been revived under a new guise. Now, I don't think the main page for the school needs to mention the whole HATE business, but if someone else can confirm the name change, perhaps a note could be added to the main page stating that HTE used to be called Brick Prison Playhouse, in case any alumns get confused?
Podkayne 00:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Brick Prison Playhouse and Hunter Theater Ensemble

message: Just to reiterate my comment in the main article, I would like the graduation years of each alumnus/a listed, if known.  --Tinlinkin 09:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, for the most part. --Tinlinkin 05:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graduation years 

message: lots of famous people went to hunter, should we have a section for theM? --Mikeazorin 21:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  famous peeps 

message: Would 146.95.223.147 like to explain why he/she put Gatherer as the school's mascot? I was always under the impression that it was a hawk.--Anakata 01:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I've gone ahead and changed it back to hawk.--Anakata 02:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gatherer? 

message: There have been anonymous users who consistently delete some information in this article, without explaination in the Edit Summary (that's right below the text box of the article being edited) or the talk page.  As controversial the content may be in question, it has a right to be there. There is a good side and a bad side to everything.  Suppressing either side violates a neutral point of view. Yes, I wish the best for HCHS and the school deserves its praise, but as Rusty said above, not all schools are perfect, not even HCHS.
The following have been the subject of persistent deletions:
*alumni Felipe Coronel, aka Immortal Technique and Michael A. Burstein
*the paragraph on "Killer"
*section on Student Publications
Also, the edit wars about rivals of Hunter (which thankfully seem to have stopped) are mild compared to the deletions above.
If you delete something, all I want to know is why.  I feel the reasoning is that the deletions will "sanitize" the article.  This, unfortunately, cannot be achieved, as I or someone else may replace the deleted text in the name of POV balance.  In Wikipedia, deletion of text without reason or with a false reason is considered vandalism.  Personally, I think the good of Hunter outweighs anything bad in the end; however, in any case, the bad (if true) should not be censored.  I will change my opinion if someone convinces me with a good reason.
And, if anyone knows what was the outcome or news of the 2006 Annals controversy, I and others would like to know about it. --Tinlinkin 09:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  reversions/deletions, controversies 

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Anakata 18:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Hunter College High School infobox }} 

message: A disproportionate amount of space is dedicated here to a suit that never happened. Increased scrutiny of Annals began in 2004,not 2006, due to parent letters which complained about their children being insulted in its pages, about the inclusion of drug and alcohol references, and about the failure of Annals to fulfill basic journalistic mandates. During years previous to 2004, Annals had repeatedly reported financial losses of thousands of dollars each year due to some combination of poor accounting, free ads being given to editors and their friends (while other students paid hundreds of dollars), and possible embezzlement of funds. With renewed adminsitrative scrutiny, Annals has turned a profit of thousands of dollars in 2005 and 2006. Why did the 2006 "suit" never go forward? Perhaps because it was weak case (the Hazelwood precedent only requires a rational basis for administrative action). The material at issue included remarks about other student organizations, some of which were obnoxious to different constituencies in the school. If the material was "pulled," it was because it was put in despite the disapproval of the faculty advisors, and in one case, without the knowledge of the editors in chief. Advisor approval was required under the school's publications policy. The alumnae petition gave a one-sided version of events.
Please sign your posts.  But onwards!  
I agree that a disproportionate amount of space has been devoted to the Annal controversy, which I suspect will only last until the class of 2007 graduates.  However, your post gives an excellent alternative view, and I readily invite you to either add this to the article or change the Annals section completely.  I guess I'll let you decide what would be best with your own work. King 10:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  misinformation about annals