Talk:List of black NHL players

message: And Joel Ward (Houston Aeros forward - AHL)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.101.67.193 (talk) 23:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He is either Canadian or American.  Brad Park is not Richard Park's relative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LaidOff  (talk • contribs) 20:35, 28 June 2008
Isn't Setoguchi a hapa?Ndriley97 (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other

message: There is a forward for the Trinity College Bantams named John Carter absent from this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.104.188  (talk • contribs) 02:59, 5 June 2008
* If he played in the minors , maybe he should be listed under notables. Just because he played college, unless he was a real star, should not be enough to include him. Truth be told, counting minors and colleges, there have been perhaps over a hundred players of African descent.
I think an extensive and notable career in the minors, and a few games in the NHL, WHA, or any other major league or First Division team in the rest of the world should be the pre-requisite for getting on this list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.138.22 (talk) 05:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: John Carter

message: I got rid of the "half black" references on this page because it's just stupid and racist to call someone "half black."  Providing their background is better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whoneedspants  (talk • contribs) 09:51, 17 January 2009
:Why is it racist? And even if you object to the wording, there's no sense removing the references, as well. Zagalejo^^^ 19:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "half black" removed

message: Its one big shit racism!!! What the hell? List of black players??? what else??? Why the hell are you listing hockeyplayer because of color of their skin? all people are equal and that list doesnt prove it! I suggest to remove it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.114.139.38  (talk • contribs) 22:21, 1 July 2009
YE, thats racism. I dont see any reason to keep it...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.113.49.42 (talk) 04:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed. Enigmamsg 05:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I disagree. Someone else on this page said that not everything racial is racist; that's the right attitude here. I came here just now because I was wondering how many black payers there were in hockey and it turns out that there haven't been all that many. I think that this page is notable and should stay. Danny (talk) 03:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I just noticed that this page is incomplete. Hmmm, I think it should still stay unless there have been thousands of black NHL players or something like that. Danny (talk) 03:28, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: RACISM!!!

message: There is no mention what nationality the players are. Are all canadian? It should be mentioned. 85.217.38.115 (talk) 07:10, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And how many blacks do not originate from Africa? Maybe some South Americans and Australians. I doubt there has been any black Australians. 82.141.125.5 (talk) 13:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

text: It is only in the US that we are so inclined to be politically correct that we find it necessary to say African-American instead of Black especially considering that not all Black People can trace their heritage back to Africa.  The term 'Afro-Canadian' is the silliest thing I have ever read and can only imagine it having been written by an American once again trying to hard not to be politically correct.  In Canada they call people Black.  If they're Canadian, they're called Black Canadians.  The [seemingly made up] term 'Afro-Canadian' is not only technically incorrect in regards to where some of the players can trace their ancestry but it isn't the term Canadian [of any race] use to refer to black people.  The page itself redirects to an article called "Black Canadians" because that's the term used to describe the group of people this list refers to. To avoid making americans look even more ignorant than we already are, please just say Black Canadian or Canadian [if your obsession to be politically correct - even at the expense of technical accuracy prevents you from saying "Black Canadian"] As the athlete's inclusion on the list implies they are Black [although incorrectly stating their ancestry can be traced to African] as was done with all of the other player nationalities [which were not prefixed with 'Afro-'].  In that regard it might be worthwhile to remove the Afro- prefix from those Americans as once again their inclusion on the page implies they are Black and being citizens of the United States makes them simply 'Americans'.   
Given the nationalities of many players is listed, it becomes even more obvious that many of them are NOT of African decent.  If the purpose of the article is specifically in regards to those Black player who are Black and of African decent, it would only make sense to remove those who were not and have a new list [for those who were interested in learning about] Black Hockey Players.  If that is the actual intent - just say Black Hockey Players and remove the references to Africa including Afro-American [which isn't even technically correct] and the completely made up [that could only have come from an American] 'Afro-Canadian'.   DeziWright (talk) 18:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Countries

message: "Names in italics are players who have won the Stanley Cup"
Unless every single player on this list has won the Stanley Cup, maybe that line should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.101.74.164 (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why all of them? It is there to tell the winners from the rest. 82.141.125.5 (talk) 13:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Italics

message: C'mon! Where is here?, he's with the Anaheim Ducks, I thought he would be in here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kolam22 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Devante Smith-Pelly

message: How is a list of black hockey players necessary? Why don't I see a list of white basketball players anywhere? Delete this article!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.97.50 (talk) 16:21, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is designed to provide information. There are numerous reasons why someone might be curious about Black Hockey Players [and or those of other races/nationalities/genders etc etc].  There is nothing wrong with presenting a group of people based on factual demographic information [although in that regard please see my earlier comment suggesting the removal of the word 'African' from the title and 'Afro-' prefixes from players of American and Canadian nationality.  
If you are curious about which Basketball Players are White and there is not currently a page containing this information, I think there is a place where you can create suggestions for such pages.  I don't understand why you feel those authors providing a list of hockey players meeting a specific demographic should be obligated to create other lists about other demographics in other sports.  
In regards to your inquiry as to the necessity of a list of hockey players sharing a demographic, once could argue it isn't necessary to have any lists of anything about anything.  However as Wikipedia is designed to provide information, it can only be assumed that at some point in time someone, somewhere for whatever reason was curious about which hockey players fit into this particular demographic and such a lists provides this factual information [except in regards to the ignorant inclusion of the term 'African' unless the page was specifically in regards to those players who were both Black and of African Decent, in which case the information provided is not correct].  
My 8 year old cousin, who is bi-racial [am I allowed to say that - or is there a better word] was staying with me for awhile & being an avid hockey fan, introduced him to the sport and we watched a lot of games.  I even took him to a Flyers Canadians game.  During Warm-Ups, my cousin took a liking to PK Subban.  At the time I thought it was Subban's personality & interaction [tossing pucks over the glass etc] with the fans that found my cousin fond of him.  It wasn't until long after the game when I was looking for some PK Subban cards to give him , that I even remembered my cousin was bi racial and considered the possibility that was one of things he found intriguing.  I then asked my cousin why he liked PK Subban more than the other players and his response was "Because He Looks Like Me".  My mind, was so far from caring what skin color players the connection didn't even hit me until hours after the game.  Following his "Because He Looks Like Me' reasoning for admiring PK Subban, my cousin then asked me what other hockey players were black.  Having even peaked my own curiosity I searched wikipedia for such information and [at the time] did not even come across this list [perhaps because I wasn't looking for Black people specifically of African decent].  
Whether or not this list was here at that time, my point is, I was looking for information to answer a question posed my an 8 year old.  There is no reason why such information shouldn't be here.  Is my 8 year cousin a racist because he admires a player that 'looks like him' and or for wanting to know about other black hockey players?  Should this information not be available to him because no one bothered to take the time to make a completely unrelated list of white basketball players?  Is he the only young child that ever had a curiosity like this?  Should he be denied access to such compiled information because you find it offensive? Or because no one has yet made a list denoting hockey players of other races?  
If race is such an offensive demographic to a population or set of people, why does the US Census continue to present information based using race as a demographic?  
If I lived in Sweden and wanted to make a list of Swedish hockey players [assuming one didn't already exist] would I be required to also create lists of Finnish Hockey Players, Russian Hockey Players and for whatever reason German Basketball Players?  Would I need to wait until someone else created such other lists before publishing the compiled list of factual information I was presenting?  
In fact, couldn't the LACK of list of Black Hockey players be even more offensive than having one?  I'd imagine some people could see the exclusion of such a list as Wikipedia's lack of acknowledgement of racial diversity in the NHL.  And / or an unwillingness to educate fans & others about the vast amount of racial, ethnic, nationalities aspects of players.  Isn't is MORE wrong to prevent young black hockey fans and/or aspiring players from learning about the people who may or may not have overcome obstacles and/or paved the way for their future?  February is National Black History Month.  An entire month the US designated for EVERYONE to learn about the accomplishments and achievements of Black People throughout history.  Does this offend you to?  That the US government singled out Black people to honor & educate people about?  Or is a means to do just that - bring awareness to people of a specific race to the attention & educate everyone as to their accomplishments.  Your insinuation that a list which provides information about Black People should be removed from a site such as wikipedia implies you don't feel that the public should be made aware that there are black hockey players and / or what their accomplishments / contributions to the sport are.  You're demanding that information designed for the purpose of educating everyone about black athletes should be removed, hidden not made available for anyone to see or hear about.  
I can't imagine anything MORE racist than the person who goes around trying to prevent access to articles designed to educate the general public about notable public figures / athletes that are black.  Most racism stems from a LACK of knowledge / education about people of other races / cultures / backgrounds.  One of the easiest ways to end racism is through education.  Why would you possibly suggest removing an article designed to do just that?  The reason ignorant racists make remarks about Black players in the NHL is because people like YOU want to prevent them from learning about who those players are.  Go yell 'racism' to people posting hate speech on other website & leave those who are trying to fight racism through education, knowledge & information alone.  DeziWright (talk) 19:00, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: RIDICULOUS ARTICLE!

message: Why is this listed as 'outdated'?
How do changes to the title get made?  The list contains black NHL players, it is much broader than players of Heritages specific to Africa or of African descent. Most of the players listed are not from African decent.  They're just black NHL players.  I don't know how to change the title or request a change be made or I would do it myself.  
74.60.174.6 (talk) 19:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled