Talk:Patriot Day

message: "jingoism?"
I had not heard the term Patriot Day used to refer to the events of 11 September, and I have, in fact, always bristled at the use of the term 9/11, for two reasons: 
IF those events were based on the US telephone emergency code 911, wouldn't 9-1-1 be more to the point, since this is how the number is phrased for dialing? 
Secondly, most (if not all) of the rest of the world puts the date before the month in written form, so the day would be called 11 (or 11th [of]) September, or 11/9. A minor point, to be sure, but those who comment here might appreciate it, if only to be accurate. 
I HAD heard of Patriots' Day, which I believed was/is celebrated in Massachusetts, and don't find "Patriot Day" to my liking, in part, because it sows this confusion. Somewhat related to this is the awful term "June-teenth," which I can't even utter because of how grammatically incorrect it is to my ears. Why THAT term has been promoted by educated public figures is beyond me... but that is a separate discussion.
"Remembrance Day" DOES seem more fitting to the occasion, I would say. As someone here has mentioned, there is nothing patriotic in being a victim. Conversely, attackers are not correctly deemed "cowards," because their very nature has them ACTING, however perversely, rather than retreating. A coward hides in fear; he has no courage to act, whereas the attacker acts - albeit out of anger and with depraved indifference.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.17.84.217 (talk) 01:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

message: How about upgrading this article's class to something like B?  OneWeirdDude (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree an upgrade is probably in order but more along the lines of Start to C status.  It could use a bit more revising/looking-over/reading/confirmation before it gets that.  It currently shows up as the first hit through a Google search for "Patriot Day" Hedfones (talk) 16:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality class 

message: Well, I'm not sure if it is a federal "holiday" but it was written and passed by the Congress and signed by the President.  (which there are links for)  I guess my problem is that under "History" it is said to be a holiday but it's more of a remembrance/notable day as I see it.  I added a link to US holidays into a See Also section simply because many people view it as one.  Maybe I just don't share the same definition of a "holiday" as most other people do.  Hedfones (talk) 16:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a formal definition of federal holidays in the US, which Patriot Day does not meet; see Federal holidays in the United States. It can be classified as a one of the public holidays in the United States, however. --BDD (talk) 23:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Federal Holiday? 

message: ”On this day, the President directs that the American flag be flown at half-staff at individual American homes”. Really? Can the US President issue such orders and, if disobeyed, what punishment is given and by whom? Markb (talk) 11:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure can.  Though, I'm not sure about personal flags owned by private individuals.  I think he can "suggest" that they be flown half staff.  But then again, most people that own their own flags don't have them hoisted on traditional flag poles.  My flag is actually hanging (with the jack in upper left corner and stripes pointed down) on my bedroom wall.  No way to fly it half staff.  So, for the most part it's a moot point.  But yes, indeed on all Federal property around the world he can direct them to fly the flag specific ways with regards to to proper flag regulations. 68.157.21.233 (talk) 14:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  my question was about private flags, I can understand the President's authority over federal property, but not private. Didn't you guys have a little punch up with the English over similiar matters? Markb (talk) 08:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a difference between directing someone to do something and commanding someone to do something. Also, the Revolution was over a whole hell of a lot more than how one should fly there flag.Julio144 (talk) 05:37, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  he can tell us too, but you cant be forced to. considiring you can get in trouble for the flag napkins and all that are tecnically illegal i doubt anything will happen from this. oh, and the fight with britain was about Taxes, not flags. Joesolo13 (talk) 01:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: What's up with the wacky ordering used for the list of the Patriot Day bill's co-sponsors? It's rather glaringly — and inexplicably — disjoint.
I looked into any possible basis for the ordering as shown by checking the THOMAS results for the bill. (Found on the page listed in External Links. Ref#1, the other THOMAS pointer, is actually a dead link. If you follow it THOMAS reports, "Search results in THOMAS are temporary and are deleted 30 minutes after creation.  Please try your search again.") ...Anyway, regarding the ordering: I found no such basis.
THOMAS offers two user-selectable orderings for the list: Alphabetical and By Date. The curent list matches neither. And since all of the co-sponsors attached themselves to the bill on the same day (2011-10-25), that information seems unremarkable. So I'm going to sort the list alphabetically by last name. If anyone has a rationale for the previous ordering, revert away! (But if you'd be so kind, please show your work.) FeRD_NYC (talk) 10:58, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't even see why this list deserves to take up such a large chunk of the article. Anyone opposed to removal? Brianga (talk) 19:12, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  History: Ordering of Co-Sponsors List 

message: The arrangement and wording seems a little strange to me; wouldn't, "On Oct 25 2001, Joint Resolution 71, which requested that the President designate September 11 of each year as "Patriot Day", was approved by the U.S. House of Representatives" or something to that effect work better? It took me a few reads to understand what the Resolution was about, as the two sections have no immediately obvious link. Is it only me? LacsiraxAriscal (talk) 00:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold and rewrite it. If people don't like it, they'll make changes of their own. Tom Harrison Talk 00:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd Paragraph