Talk:Breaking (martial arts)

message: Demonstrations are different than competitions. Although not always the case, demonstrations could use materials that are specially prepared to facilitate ease in breaking demonstrations. At sanctioned competitions, such as those run by the United States and World Breaking Associations USBA/WBA, materials are standard and inspected. Boards are standard USBA/WBA boards shipped directly from the mill and concrete blocks are purchased from suppliers in the vacinity of the event. Ects2000 (talk) 03:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  fake cinder blocks 

message: I often saw martial artists breaking large blocks of bricks with moderate effort, sometimes block of 8 or 9(often with spacers between bricks, but sometimes no).
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-8629321730063150584
So, does this mean that if they hit the arm of a normal person with the same knife strike, that one's arm will be cut in half, for there's no way a person's arm can be as thick as a brick block. Or is it that brick blocks designed for breaking is no match for human's bones? I've had this question for years, can anyone explain to me? Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.147.248 (talk) 06:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are some key differences.  First of all, the concrete blocks were solidly supported and couldn't go anywhere.  Either they were going to break, or they weren't; they couldn't move even a fraction of an inch.  Secondly, bone and concrete do have different properties; concrete is fairly brittle, whereas bone has more resilience.  Thirdly, you also have muscle and other tissue surrounding the bone (though it depends on where the bone is struck). Omnedon 13:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Real life application

message: Velocity cannot be the determining factor in any board break.  Do a simple experiment: Take a whip, and whip any collection of bricks, boards, sticks, whatever.  The whip (if you get a nice creak out of it) is moving supersonically, that is, over 700 miles per hour.  The board will not break.  What is required to break a board (in an unsupported break) is stress-loading it above the maximum for the material.  For a supported break, things are a bit trickier.  Loading quickly can still rupture the board, but loading slowly with a greater final force can break the board through bending it past its maximum deformation.  RogueNinjatalk 01:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The crack of a whip occurs when the tip changes direction at the end of travel.  It's not travelling at supersonic speed during the downstroke...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.85.67 (talk) 12:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Velocity is the determining factor based on the fact that the mass of the tool is static.  You cannot make your hand more massive more during a break, but you can increase it's speed.  As the velocity of a strike has a magnifying effect on the mass when it comes to calculating the amount of force (force = mass * (velocity * velocity) I think), then the speed of your strike could be considered the determining factor.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.231.220.128 (talk) 13:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impulse vs Velocity 

message: It has been proposed that Breaking be renamed and moved to Breaking (disambiguation). Based on the article traffic tool, Breaking should be move to Breaking (disambiguation) and Breaking (martial arts) should be moved to Breaking.  Please comment at Talk:Breaking.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD)  14:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: The bricks and cinder blocks they use are made with a high concentration of sand. They're MUCH different than the kinds used to build houses and other stuff. Real bricks can hardly be broken with a sledgehammer let alone a chop. 70.89.165.91 (talk) 20:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input. As a matter of fact, I've seen both bullshidokas using the stuff you're writing about (including woodboards preheated and pre-dried in an oven, to make it more fragile), as well as the real guys. For example, a colleague of mine here breaks solid concrete blocks, bought in a building goods store. But people still don't believe him :) So I guess the only way is to either use the cheapest stuff and go for quantity, or try to find something standardized, but this is quite difficult, though. Pundit|utter 21:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breaking is bull 

message: As I understand it, wood boards are normally broken along the grain (that is, the line of breakage is parallel to the grain of the wood). This of course makes a tremendous difference to the physical properties of the wood. Is this true? If so I think it would be valuable to mention it here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.15.126.133 (talk) 00:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direction of wood boards 

message: Please provide a list of spelling errors here. Another option is to make one edit to fix spelling errors and another edit to add the statements that are unsupported by the source that you desperately want.
SimilarName (talk) 22:08, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  To user claiming "correction of spelling mistakes" 

message: An episode of Penn and Teller's show hardly qualifies as a reliable source. Also, the lead of an article is supposed summarize the article as a whole. The cited material doesn't belong here. Omnedon (talk) 22:56, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that there seems to be no interest in discussion on this. Yet it needs to be discussed; edit warring is not a solution. The lead is supposed to summarize the article, yet the third paragraph summarizes nothing that appears in the body of the article. A Penn and Teller television episode is also not a reliable source for the cited material. Simply stating the opposite doesn't deal with the issue. Omnedon (talk) 12:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penn and Teller? 

message: The following is the accurate referenced contents I had added which some lurkers kept deleting.
There are clingy people lurking on this article keep deleting legitimately referenced facts & logical corollaries from those facts. They delete the legitimately referenced facts (like the existence of Kihapsul doing hand breaking) for no reason. They delete the logical corollaries (there is a difference between an opinion & something that has to be true as a consequence from the newly inserted facts) for no reason. Opinion & logic are 2 different things.
Referenced facts are plain facts; the references are qualified when they are authentic & they meet the purpose of proving facts or perception what was heard, what was seen, what was done. Also, there is a difference between an opinion & something that has to be true as a consequence from the newly inserted facts. Opinion & logic are 2 different things. 
If you feel that a specific content is not referenced because you can't read the language or because I really did skip that reference, be specific which part.
Let's see the controversies about the nature of Breaking.
There is a stance that claims Breaking has to be done by a fighting martial art. This view is not traditional. Korea is the one with tradition (at least 1000 years old) in Breaking. There is another traditional perception in Korea that fighting martial art is irrelevant for Breaking; it is just that Korean fighting martial arts have borrowed Breaking from Kihapsul. Nalparam reference in history
Japan adopted this cross-training culture from Korea. There are many facts that have to be cleared on Breaking Game. First, it is false that Breaking Game started originally as a testing method of striking for fighting martial arts. There is no such historical record. This needs a reference. Also, Karate historically didn't have Breaking Game before the time of Mas Oyama (1950's). Any perception or theory Karate insists is invalid especially when it contradicts the historical records saying otherwise. Whether Breaking can be used in fighting or in testing strike or on an animal (like butchering) is irrelevant how it was actually established that way. That is a logical fallacy "affirming the consequent". 
Second, Korean has had many fighting martial arts that hit with any body part including Muyedobotongji Kwonbub, Nalparam, Taekyun (it was recorded in 1930's to include Kwonbub which hits with any body part). 1930's newspaper record how Taekyun contains a fighting style hitting with any body part 
Third, Kihapsul existed anyway; it did Breaking Game including hand breaking anyway; this predates Japan & Karate anyway with written records. Neither Kihapsul nor Kooksundo teaches a fighting martial art. They learn how to strike in Breaking Game; they don't learn striking separately. It is possible that the first generation in Kihapsul & Kooksundo trained in some fighting martial art to import the striking techniques into their breaking game. However, it is logically false that Kihapsul & Kooksundo couldn't have created such striking on their own when fighting martial arts can apparently create such strikes on their own. Without such specific records, claiming that they couldn't have created such strikes on their own is taking away credit wrongfully. 
Also, breaking strikes through like common sense, Korean fighting martial arts or Okinawan Te. Okinawan Te strikes through; this is called Chinkuchi. Japanese Karate stops strike at the moment of impact, calling it Kime. Breaking strikes through especially when breaking more than 1 object.
Let's see the history of Breaking in Japan.
Karate's Tameshiwari originates from Mas Oyama. Gaijin-ryu explanation of Tameshiwari Kyokushin-ryu explanation of Tameshiwari Blackbelt magazine 1987 explanation of Tameshiwari [https://books.google.ca/books?id=QdwDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA65&dq=Although+karate+had+survived+the+war,+Ocupation+forces+had+restricted+its+practice+and+karateka+like+Oyama+were+left&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Although%20karate%20had%20survived%20the%20war%2C%20Ocupation%20forces%20had%20restricted%20its%20practice%20and%20karateka%20like%20Oyama%20were%20left&f=false
 Blackbelt magazine 1986 explanation of Tameshiwari] The game concept was introduced by Mas Oyama. Before then, breaking was not a formal curriculum nor system for Karate. Mas Oyama introduced Karate the game concept & the striking techniques. Japanese Tameshiwari's striking techniques are very different from the traditional Japanese strikes. 
For example, Karate has stationary square shoulders when punching. Tameshiwari is the opposite; its shoulder whirls forward. Mas Oyama emphasized the use of body reserves in his book Mas Oyama's Essential Karate. This technique originates from Korean as Korean already had such concept of using body reserves to strengthen strikes as visible from many references like Muaydobotongji Kwonbub. There are pictures with wild swings clearly showing the contorted shoulder & leg leverage. Muaydobotongji Kwonbub Since Mas Oyama was a Korean, it is false to claim that he created this striking technique coincidentally similar as he had such inputs already. This trait is common for the European sports like boxing, but such is rare in East Asia although common for Korean. 
Let's see the history of Breaking in Korea.
Breaking game has a long history in Korea. One of the earliest records goes to 1000 years ago by Heemok Kim who was invited by China to show the miraculous feat of breaking a rock by a hand strike.Heemok Kim performing hand breaking in China Unless found otherwise, breaking game in East Asia originated in Korea. Whether Breaking Game originally started by a fighting martial art or by a strongman feat (Kihapsul), someone & something started Breaking instead of Breaking always having existed from the start. Even if Breaking Game started by a fighting martial art, not all fighting martial arts had such culture; 1 specific fighting martial art (or 1 specific person playing multiple sports) must have started it, which was done by Korean. Also, Korean's traditional perception has placed Breaking as Kihapsul. 
As for the striking techniques in Kihapsul, without taking any credit away from Kihapsul & Kooksundo when there is no such specific record historically referenced, they use the same striking techniques as other Korean sports such as fighting martial arts with or without any relationship. For example, for hand strikes, they contort shoulder & lean with legs just like historically recorded in Korean Muyedobotongji Kwonbub's pictures hundreds years ago. Even other Korean fighting games like Gitxaum (Flag Fighting) also shows such traits. This Xilem (Korean wrestling) type of shoulder emphasis shows in many different Korean sports. Korean strikes today use those same techniques today as before including hand strikes. Aside from the techniques, as for the games ongoing, the 1934's newspaper reference recorded Hand Breaking heard, seen, done at the time. Also, Korean Kihapsul was recorded in Japanese pronunciation Kiaijutsu as well.
Aside from how Breaking was started in Korea anyway, if focusing on which specific part of Korean, Breaking is not from a fighting martial art but from a strongman feat. That is the traditional Korean perception whilst Breaking originated in Korea for East Asia as it didn't always exist; 1 specific sport or person (playing multiple sports) started Breaking instead of all sports always having had such or all sports starting them at the same time. Regardless of the nature of Breaking (fighting martial art or strongman feat), Korea started Breaking Game for East Asia, and the traditional Korean perception places Breaking as Kihapsul which is a set of many strongman feats including but not limited to Breaking Game. The game concept is Korean as well as striking techniques like contorted shoulder.
There has been various medieval records of hand breaking in Korea even since Heemok Kim. These weren't myth; they were recorded by history books recording historical events. For the modern era, a Korean art called Kihapsul (called Kiaijutsu in Japanese) has been recorded, proving what was seen, heard, done at the era especially Hand Breaking on roof tiles & beer bottles. William Bankier, Bob Hoffman, Japanese American Courier reported Kiaijutsu performing Hand Breaking in 1905~1940.  Kiaijutsu Hand Breaking before the time of Karate Korean newspaper Dongailbo (1934 November 18th) recorded of a Charyuk performers Kyuhyun Lee & Naksun Kim sponsored by Central Sport Research Institute. Naksun Kim & Kyuhyun Lee performed in Konghoidang including Hand Breaking beer bottles & roof tiles. 1934 November 18th Dongailbo newspaper on Kihapsul Hand Breaking Kihapsul was flourishing in that era such that there were even independent research institutes dedicated to Kihapsul. [http://newslibrary.naver.com/viewer/index.nhn?articleId=1935082500209104029&editNo=2&printCount=1&publishDate=1935-08-25&officeId=00020&pageNo=4&printNo=5292&publishType=00010
 Kihapsul Research Institute] 
Korean fighting martial arts such as Kyuksul, Nalparam, Taekyun Yetbub, etc also do breaking. North Korean Kyuksul is particularly famous for rigorous breaking according to North Korean refugees. Kyuksul hand breaking However, essentially, breaking game is perceived to be Kihapsul (called Kiaijutsu in Japanese) also called Charyuk, Yukki, Yukye. Kihapsul is not a fighting martial art. It is a set of strongman feats like circus. It's a performance art; its players are performance artists. 
Korean Breaking hits with any body part including Hand Breaking whether done in Kihapsul or in Fight Games. Also, they hit powerful with contorted shoulder & such. As for hand shape, Korean typically slaps with the pinky half of palm heel (this is also called Knife Hand) or hammer fist. The use of palm heel & the edge of hand predating Karate was recorded in Kiaijutsu by William Bankier. Palm heel & edge used in Breaking in Kiaijutsu
Kihapsul has been historically adopted by many Korean fighting martial arts for cross-training, but it is also passed down on its own as a performance art. It is a unique Korean culture that the rest of East Asia is not familiar with. (objective qualified authentic references still existed 100 years ago nonetheless.) A unique trait of Kihapsul is its love for cold water. This trait is visible even for Mas Oyama, but Charyuk/Kihapsul is known to soak the body in cold water. Kooksundo is a traditional Korean Yoga art; they also do Kihapsul including hand breaking even today. 
As for the quality, Kooksundo's Chungsan has been seen on Japanese Fuji TV to perform breaking a natural rock of 15cm height. This is the best result in breaking in the modern history far beyond anyone else in comparison. 15cm rock breaking There are many legendary stories about Chungsan like how he can break a rock even before touching the rock, but the accomplishments he has shown stand nonetheless. There are video materials available.
Wikibreaking (talk) 20:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  there are clingy people lurking on this article keep deleting legitimately referenced facts & logical corollaries from those facts 

message: Fix these 4 subsections.
1. In the introduction, include more sports that do Breaking.
Breaking can often be seen in karate, taekwondo, Kyuksul, Taekyun Yetbub, Subak (& Baekta)Takwon of Subak hits with any body part Subak is also called Takwon, Kihapsul/Charyuk, Kooksundo and pencak silat. Spetsnaz are also known for board and brick breaking, but not all styles of martial arts place equal emphasis on it or use it. In styles where striking and kicking are less important and there is an emphasis on grappling or weaponry, breaking is less prominent. Traditional Japanese martial art schools place little, if any, emphasis on board-breaking, although the art of breaking objects was known as tameshiwari, while the similar practice of Tameshigiri or 'test cutting' is used in sword arts.
2. Elaborate the history of Breaking in Korea, the history of Breaking in Japan, the controversies on the nature of Breaking.
Let's see the controversies about the nature of Breaking.
There is a stance that claims Breaking has to be done by a fighting martial art. This view is not traditional. Korea is the one with tradition (at least 1000 years old) in Breaking. There is another traditional perception in Korea that fighting martial art is irrelevant for Breaking; it is just that Korean fighting martial arts have borrowed Breaking from Kihapsul.Nalparam reference in history
Japan adopted this cross-training culture from Korea. There are many facts that have to be cleared on Breaking Game particularly which proof & claim aren't acceptable. This section is on the obvious talks what proofs are not acceptable by any academic standard.
First, the theory that Breaking Game started originally as a testing method of striking for fighting martial arts has no such historical record. This needs a reference. This theory is created & enforced by Karate after adopting Breaking Game from Korean Mas Oyama in 1950's as a formal system & curriculum.
Karate historically didn't have Breaking Game before the time of Mas Oyama (1950's) as a formal system & curriculum aside from how Breaking's history & tradition are with Korea regardless. Any new perception or new theory Karate insists is not traditional especially when it contradicts the historical records saying otherwise. Also, clearing what can be used as a proof & what can't be used as a proof, some proofs are not acceptable as proofs. Whether Breaking can be used in fighting or in testing strike or on an animal (like butchering) is irrelevant how it was actually established that way. That is a logical fallacy "affirming the consequent".
Second, Korean has had many fighting martial arts that hit with any body part including Muyedobotongji Kwonbub, Nalparam, Taekyun (it was recorded in 1930's to include Kwonbub which hits with any body part).1930's newspaper record how Taekyun contains a fighting style hitting with any body part
Third, Kihapsul existed anyway; it did Breaking Game including hand breaking anyway; this predates Japan & Karate anyway with written records. Neither Kihapsul nor Kooksundo teaches a fighting martial art. They learn how to strike in Breaking Game; they don't learn striking separately. Claiming a possibility as a certainty is logically false; this is not acceptable. It is possible that the first generation in Kihapsul & Kooksundo trained in some fighting martial art to import the striking techniques into their breaking game. However, it is logically false that Kihapsul & Kooksundo couldn't have created such striking on their own when fighting martial arts can apparently create such strikes on their own. Without such specific records, claiming that they couldn't have created such strikes on their own is taking away credit wrongfully.
Breaking strikes through like common sense (street fighting or any such act of striking), Korean fighting martial arts or Okinawan Te. Okinawan Te strikes through; this is called Chinkuchi. Japanese Karate stops strike at the moment of impact, calling it Kime. Breaking strikes through naturally without a specific habit from a fighting move especially when breaking more than 1 object. Contorted shoulder, leg leverage & such are universal in many Korean sports; such traits are not owned by 1 specific Korean sport. Without proof, denying that Kihapsul can create strikes on its own is Korean fighting martial arts (although still Korean techniques) stealing credits from Korean Charyuk/Kihapsul. Such claims need to be traditionally referenced & proven.
There is also a claim that a push (like wrestling Xilem's push) can't be used for striking, which means that everyday-life's common sense strikes can't be strengthened & evolved by how a good push (wrestling or such) puts power into its motion. This claim needs a reference & proof. Mas Oyama & Jack Dempsey listed the use of speed & body reserves like contorted shoulder & leg leverage as the source of power for hand strikes. These traits are universal in Korean sports including wrestling Xilem. Xilem is a wrestling which throws the opponent by pouring & accelerating (Yong) muscle powers moving shoulder & legs a lot.
Let's see the history of Breaking in Japan.
Karate's Tameshiwari originates from Mas Oyama. Gaijin-ryu explanation of Tameshiwari Kyokushin-ryu explanation of Tameshiwari Blackbelt magazine 1987 explanation of Tameshiwari [https://books.google.ca/books?id=QdwDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA65&dq=Although+karate+had+survived+the+war,+Ocupation+forces+had+restricted+its+practice+and+karateka+like+Oyama+were+left&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Although%20karate%20had%20survived%20the%20war%2C%20Ocupation%20forces%20had%20restricted%20its%20practice%20and%20karateka%20like%20Oyama%20were%20left&f=false
 Blackbelt magazine 1986 explanation of Tameshiwari] The game concept was introduced by Mas Oyama. Before then, breaking was not a formal curriculum nor system for Karate. Mas Oyama introduced Karate the game concept & the striking techniques. Japanese Tameshiwari's striking techniques are very different from the traditional Japanese strikes. 
For example, Karate has stationary square shoulders when punching. Tameshiwari is the opposite; its shoulder whirls forward. Mas Oyama emphasized the use of body reserves in his book Mas Oyama's Essential Karate. This technique originates from Korean as Korean already had such concept of using body reserves to strengthen strikes as visible from many references like Muaydobotongji Kwonbub. There are pictures with wild swings clearly showing the contorted shoulder & leg leverage. Muaydobotongji Kwonbub Since Mas Oyama was a Korean, it is false to claim that he created this striking technique coincidentally similar as he had such inputs already. This trait is common for the European sports like boxing, but such is rare in East Asia although common for Korean. 
Let's see the history of Breaking in Korea.
Breaking game has a long history in Korea. One of the earliest records goes to 1000 years ago by Heemok Kim who was invited by China to show the miraculous feat of breaking a rock by a hand strike.Heemok Kim performing hand breaking in China Unless found otherwise, breaking game in East Asia originated in Korea. Whether Breaking Game originally started by a fighting martial art or by a strongman feat (Kihapsul), someone & something started Breaking instead of Breaking always having existed from the start. Even if Breaking Game started by a fighting martial art, not all fighting martial arts had such culture; 1 specific fighting martial art (or 1 specific person playing multiple sports) must have started it, which was done by Korean. Also, Korean's traditional perception has placed Breaking as Kihapsul. 
As for the striking techniques in Kihapsul, without taking any credit away from Kihapsul & Kooksundo when there is no such specific record historically referenced, they use the same striking techniques as other Korean sports such as fighting martial arts with or without any relationship. For example, for hand strikes, they contort shoulder & lean with legs just like historically recorded in Korean Muyedobotongji Kwonbub's pictures hundreds years ago. Even other Korean fighting games like Gitxaum (Flag Fighting) also shows such traits. This Xilem (Korean wrestling) type of shoulder emphasis shows in many different Korean sports. Korean strikes today use those same techniques today as before including hand strikes. Aside from the techniques, as for the games ongoing, the 1934's newspaper reference recorded Hand Breaking heard, seen, done at the time. Also, Korean Kihapsul was recorded in Japanese pronunciation Kiaijutsu as well.
Aside from how Breaking was started in Korea anyway, if focusing on which specific part of Korean, Breaking is not from a fighting martial art but from a strongman feat. That is the traditional Korean perception whilst Breaking originated in Korea for East Asia as it didn't always exist; 1 specific sport or person (playing multiple sports) started Breaking instead of all sports always having had such or all sports starting them at the same time. Regardless of the nature of Breaking (fighting martial art or strongman feat), Korea started Breaking Game for East Asia, and the traditional Korean perception places Breaking as Kihapsul which is a set of many strongman feats including but not limited to Breaking Game. The game concept is Korean as well as striking techniques like contorted shoulder.
There has been various medieval records of hand breaking in Korea even since Heemok Kim. These weren't myth; they were recorded by history books recording historical events. There are names like Ikmyung Yang, Sambong Kil, Hamdu Ji. Sambong Kil & Hamdu Ji Hand Breaking Ikmyung Yang Hand Breaking For the modern era, a Korean art called Kihapsul (called Kiaijutsu in Japanese) has been recorded, proving what was seen, heard, done at the era especially Hand Breaking on roof tiles & beer bottles. William Bankier, Bob Hoffman, Japanese American Courier reported Kiaijutsu performing Hand Breaking in 1905~1940.  Kiaijutsu Hand Breaking before the time of Karate Korean newspaper Dongailbo (1934 November 18th) recorded of a Charyuk performers Kyuhyun Lee & Naksun Kim sponsored by Central Sport Research Institute. Naksun Kim & Kyuhyun Lee performed in Konghoidang including Hand Breaking beer bottles & roof tiles. 1934 November 18th Dongailbo newspaper on Kihapsul Hand Breaking Kihapsul was flourishing in that era such that there were even independent research institutes dedicated to Kihapsul. [http://newslibrary.naver.com/viewer/index.nhn?articleId=1935082500209104029&editNo=2&printCount=1&publishDate=1935-08-25&officeId=00020&pageNo=4&printNo=5292&publishType=00010
 Kihapsul Research Institute] 
Korean fighting martial arts such as Kyuksul, Nalparam, Taekyun Yetbub, etc also do breaking. North Korean Kyuksul is particularly famous for rigorous breaking according to North Korean refugees. Kyuksul hand breaking However, essentially, breaking game is perceived to be Kihapsul (called Kiaijutsu in Japanese) also called Charyuk, Yukki, Yukye. Kihapsul is not a fighting martial art. It is a set of strongman feats like circus. It's a performance art; its players are performance artists. 
Korean Breaking hits with any body part including Hand Breaking whether done in Kihapsul or in Fight Games. Also, they hit powerful with contorted shoulder & such. As for hand shape, Korean typically slaps with the pinky half of palm heel (this is also called Knife Hand) or hammer fist. The use of palm heel & the edge of hand predating Karate was recorded in Kiaijutsu by William Bankier. Palm heel & edge used in Breaking in Kiaijutsu
Kihapsul has been historically adopted by many Korean fighting martial arts for cross-training, but it is also passed down on its own as a performance art. It is a unique Korean culture that the rest of East Asia is not familiar with. (objective qualified authentic references still existed 100 years ago nonetheless.) A unique trait of Kihapsul is its love for cold water. This trait is visible even for Mas Oyama, but Charyuk/Kihapsul is known to soak the body in cold water. Kooksundo is a traditional Korean Yoga art; they also do Kihapsul including hand breaking even today. 
As for the quality, Kooksundo's Chungsan has been seen on Japanese Fuji TV to perform breaking a natural rock of 15cm height. This is the best result in breaking in the modern history far beyond anyone else in comparison. 15cm rock breaking There are many legendary stories about Chungsan like how he can break a rock even before touching the rock, but the accomplishments he has shown stand nonetheless. There are video materials available.
Wikibreaking (talk) 20:56, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2016