Talk:Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force

message: I fixed some incorrect numbers. I think that the training ships that are part of the existing classes should be listed, as outside of maybe an added classroom they are the same ships and will serve the same purpose as the other ships when needed.  Yes, the Chukigo and Takatsuki class ships are all decomissioned.Spejic 09:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 3 February, 2006

message: According to Wikipedia:External links we should always prefer internal links to external ones. If information from the site was used to improve the article then it should be cited under "References", which the GlobalSecurity site already is. If the other site was used as a reference, then please cite that one in the references section as well. Bare external links should be used sparingly, and for articles like this should be generally restricted to official pages only. Adding anything more invites linkspam. -Loren 19:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, where does it say you cannot use information that isn't from an "official site" in external links? All the Navy articles on wiki that I've come across put information sites apart from the official one in external links. Why does this page have to be any different? John Smith's 21:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I'm saying is that we should be very conservative when it comes to external links, especially if said links do not contain any more information then the article itself would once it has been brought up to a complete form. If information from the site was used in writing the article then it goes under References. As I have said before the Global Security article has already been listed as a reference and is therefore redundent. I did not personally use the private site when making the contributions I did, and therefore did not include it as a reference. If you did, then you're more then welcome to cite it. Finally, yes, many articles (not just navy ones) have long lists of external links, many of which, strictly speaking shouldn't be there according to guidelines. Which is all the more reason to keep this one as clean as possible. -Loren 21:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  But the GS link as a note is not nearly as prominent as an ordinary link is. There is too much information from the site to make a note every time. And it's a guideline, not a rule. The link is highly useful for anyone wanting to learn more than doesn't read Japanese. It should stay. You can remove the mecha one if you want. John Smith's 23:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External linking 

message: Nice length overall, nice intro, nice infoboxes, and pictures. But each individual section is really short. Is there any expansion that can be done? LordAmeth 09:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Project Assessments

message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJrIF7pHyO0 --293.xx.xxx.xx 21:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a real JMSDF recruitment ad? 

message: I thought that the general trend of this article was to be more general. Is a listing of all aircraft really needed? Spejic 04:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aircraft Inventory

message: And now I don't understand what is happening here. The same person both moved away all information, and is asking for more?  What is this supposed to mean?  Could people discuss or at least explain big changes here before making them? Spejic 16:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: JMSDF Fleet

message: I am confused by the termology. The article refers to "destroyer escorts" and "frigates". Which term is the official one in the JMSDF? Also it refers to "helicopter destroyers", "guided missile destroyers", and "destroyer"s, but all of them carry helicopters and guided missilies! Again if this is the correct terminology of the jmsdf it should be explained. David.j.james 15:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Think of it this way. In the original Japanese, all the destroyers and frigates are slotted into the term [i]Goeikan[/i], which IMO actually translates to the Russian [i]Storozhevoy Korabl[/i] ("sentry ship") much better than English terminology. The English terms are mostly there for the convenience of the West, and are the official translations. The differentiation is the emphasis. A ship dedicated for area antiaircraft warfare is considered to be a "guided missile" warhsip. A flagship with three helicopters is a "helicopter destroyer" (more in the new 13500t class). A ship with only basic point defenses and one helicopter is a destroyer. --Kazuaki Shimazaki 07:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirmation needed: Is the "Japan Maritime Self Defense Force" (JMSDF) the current name of the "Japanese Navy" because of the controversial (for miltarists) Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution? If yes, this matter should be highlighted in the article as no other standing national force has doubly underlined the nonaggressive nature of its existence. Sujay85 (talk) 00:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Of Course the JMSDF is the official name for the so-called "Japanese navy". Please do some more reading, such as the entire article on the History of Japan from 1945 through the present. This is no place to argue about something that is an abvious truth.98.67.106.59 (talk) 21:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming Convention

message: I removed this picture as it is low resolution and the lighting is poor. I also could not make it fit well with the others. If anyone wants to restore it, please put it in carefully so the layout of the page isn't distorted. John Smith's (talk) 11:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Image:WY2T1426 japan2.jpg]]

message: Unless anyone has objections, I will look into removing some of the pictures. Currently the article has too many, and in some cases they are distorting the layout (e.g. edit boxes lower down). John Smith's (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a bad idea. Please proceed. Megapixie (talk) 12:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: On a separate point, does anyone object if I restore the "thumbnail sizes" of some pictures so that they fit in with the text, rather than have one or two lines creep underneath them? John Smith's (talk) 11:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture overload 

message: From the Web site of the U.S. Forces Japan:
http://www.usfj.mil/Japanese%20military%20rank%20chart.pdf172.189.213.185 (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rank Chart 

message: I have done my best to rewrite the article to improve grammar and make it easier to read. I have cut bits of material where I was not sure what the original editor was trying to say. We should use the term "JMSDF" throughout the article, rather than switching between that and "MSDF" or "Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force".
Furthermore I have removed a few pictures, as at the moment I think there are too many towards the latter part of the article. The remaining ones need to be re-organised so that they do not "cramp" the edit buttons for sub-sections. John Smith's (talk) 13:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  July 2008 edit 

message: I have updated the entry to say that two are under construction and removed the bit on "planned" as I don't think any more are planned at the moment. But maybe someone could enlighten me if more are going to follow in the near future (I could imagine they would after a while when the Shirane class needs replacing). John Smith's (talk) 18:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: GlobalSecurity asserts, "A total of four are planned to replace the two Haruna-class and two Shirane-class DDHs in the ASW role. The earlier DDH had an operational life of about 35 years, suggesting that three more units would be required in the time frame of 2015." (sdsds - talk) 19:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''''Hyuga'''''-class carriers 

message: Here is a source for the recent collision:  http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20091029a1.html "The collision between a Maritime Self-Defense Force destroyer (Kurama) and a South Korean containership on 27 October 2009 in the Kanmon Straits may have been caused by wrong guidance given by a radar traffic controller minutes before the clash, the Japan Coast Guard".  N2e (talk) 16:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 2009 collission 

message: This could use a better bibliography. I will add a brief one if not objectionable.
Ed Gris 02:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading needs help 

message: I don't know how many people read this page, but when and why were all details of the ship & boat classes removed from the page? I think a simple table is a good idea. After all there's one for aircraft. Why on Earth not one for the ships and subs? John Smith's (talk) 21:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equipment 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: As a former USN liaison officer to the JMSDF I can attest that we always referred to the JMSDF (both informally and in official documents) as the "Japanese" Maritime Self Defense Force and not the "Japan" Maritime Self Defense Force.Oldbubblehead (talk) 06:15, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The JMSDF appears go call itself the "Japan" Maritime Self Defense Force per its own English website. - BilCat (talk) 06:21, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct name? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: , per Template:Infobox military unit, the allegiance category is reserved for "Used to indicate the allegiance of units which are not part of the regular armed forces of a sovereign state; can usually be omitted otherwise. In the case of National Guard or Naval Militia units, the State of origin should be indicated." This does not apply for the JMSDF. Garuda28 (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegiance Box 

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thread_title:  Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion 

message: Without a citation or source, the following statement at the bottom of the Capabilities segment looks like a subjective opinion, especially with the quotation marks on "passive" making it look like sarcasm:
"These capabilities are force multipliers, allowing force projection of Japan's sizable destroyer and frigate force far from home waters, and acquiring them is contentious considering Japan's "passive" defense policy."
At the very minimum, we need an answer and a linked, credible source for who is considering this contentious. Otherwise I would suggest deleting this part. 81.191.83.149 (talk) 15:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on objectivity