Talk:Chaplain

message: The middle paragraph in the prison section seems to have a very strong monotheistic (most likely Christian) religious influence: it's more about the 'grace of God' than the actual role of chaplains in prisons. Could someone please improve this section?
Why has this not been improved yet?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.47.232 (talk) 03:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Prison section?

message: I changed the word "dismissed" which is a very specific legal term under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) Title 10 USC. Only officers can be dismissed and only as a punitive discharge from a General Court Martial. Klingenschmitt was only convicted at a Special Court Martial, which does not have the authority to discharge convicted officers (though a Special Court Martial can punitively discharge convicted enlisted personnel with a Bad Conduct Discharge). The word that I chose for accuracy's sake is "released." Klingenschmitt was released from Active Duty administratively, not punitively. These are all very specific, legal terms that have an enormous amount of meaning behind them. It is better to use the correct terminology so as to not unintentionally mislead the casual reader. USMC Padre (talk) 23:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, some Special Courts Martial can "award" (the military term) a Bad Conduct Discharge to enlisted personnel and some cannot. It depends on whether the Convening Authority (generally the Commanding Officer) includes a "Recorder" when he or she appoints the members of the court martial. If so, the court martial is empowered to award a BCD; if not then it can't. The Recorder keeps a verbatim record of the court martial, generally by using a tape recorder. Dick Kimball (talk) 17:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your information is not quite correct.  A Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) can only be imposed as punishment if the crime committed (particular violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice) by the member carries the possibility of a punitive discharge.  It has nothing to do with the Convening Authority.USMC Padre (talk) 19:20, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Klingenschmitt's Release From Active Duty

message: Non-military chaplaincy could probably be expanded
- for example University chaplaincy
- tends to be 'multifaith'. Chaplaincy is often lay. 
- In these settings the chaplain is often paid by the faith community/religious body by which they are appointed. 
- A search in google picks up a few. Flinders University of South Australia is one example <http://www.flinders.edu.au/religiouscentre/chaplains/index.html>. This does include a Wiccan chaplain. --Paul foord 02:50, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-military chaplaincy 

message: I have removed the link to the United Chaplains Corps - not sure this is a real organisation or simply a commercial organisation taking money off people for "ordination" and membership.  Link was: *United Chaplains Corps, multinational/multifaith "Chaplains without Borders"
(the above has not been signed)
I have removed the claim that there are plans to remove all Chaplains for the UK National Health Service. Although there was an attempt made by one NHS Trust it has not resulted in a nationwide policy. I have relocated it to the page I created recently entitled College of Health Care Chaplains, where I have put it as link in a list of issues facing NHS Chaplains at the present time.
--Forager1969 22:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove dubious link 

message: I have again removed the nickname "chaps" from the opening para - in 15 years in military chaplaincy and having met military chaplains from a number of english speaking countries I have never heard this nickname used.  It is used by some US chaplains. (However in the US Navy there is an invariable name used: I recall asking a USN chaplain in Singapore "What is your first name" to get the reply: "For the past twelve years my first name has been 'Chaplain'!")
So I have put 'chaps' in the US military section later in the article.  I have left 'padre' in the first para as it is I think very widely, if not quite universally, used.
--Springnuts 22:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname of "Chaps"? 

message: I don't understand how one could both have noncombatant status, and be armed? Why do you have a gun if not to shoot someone - and then you would be a combatant. A soldier cannot deliberately target noncombatant, but that would mean they could not shoot a chaplain pointing a gun at him. Can someone explain? - Matthew238 04:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes that is the pattern in most Western armed forces.  Springnuts 23:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Combatant status

message: I have removed this link again - please explain if you want to put it in again why it is relevant here.  Springnuts 16:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The College of Pastoral Supervision and Psychotherapy 

message: I have restored Chaplain to the Nightclubs in Bournemouth as it is a good link, however we ought to think through what links are appropriate.  Springnuts 09:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What links are appropriate? 

message: I would be interested to see the list of approved religious denominations which are allowed to recommend champains to the U.S. military. I am wondering how the list was made up. For example, do denominations have to apply to qualify for the list? Or is it based on how many soldiers / sailors / etc. there are for each religion? I'm also wondering what the military does in the case of religions that don't have clergy. Thanks! --Zla'od (not registered) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.167.174.185 (talk • contribs).
:  Most interesting comment (religions that don't have clergy), as arguably "Chaplain" (as currently used) is, notwithstanding some parallels from other and earlier religions, a specifically Christian concept - which raises the question about whether creating chaplains of other faiths is a form of religous imperialism.  Springnuts 15:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Sending Organizations for U.S.?

message: The article appears to be someone's school report and rather than try to clean it up I thought it shoudl be merged here. Actually a redirect might be better but I'll leave that open for comment. --killing sparrows 02:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  proposed merge from [[Chaplain fire]] 

message: Hi all
It has been noted that the military element of the article is out of proportion to the rest.  Might a suitable way ahead be to split the article?  Grateful for views.
Springnuts 20:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split article into (a) Military Chaplaincy, and (b) the rest? 

message: I have taken the liberty of removing a garbled line that made comparisons between the standards required for Canadian Health Care Chaplains and American Military Chaplains. It's not relevant to anything.
--Forager1969 22:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison between USA and Canada 

message: What is a domestic chaplain? Cutler 13:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Queen has domestic chaplains.  The Dean of Windsor is one I think.  But not domesticated.  Springnuts 22:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Varley, E. A. (2004) "Maltby, Edward (1770–1859)", Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, accessed 11 Aug 2007 (subscription required) - says that Maltby became "domestic chaplain" to George Pretyman in 1794 and consequently got "a Lincoln prebend and two vicarages: Buckden, Huntingdonshire and Holbeach, Lincolnshire." What did he have to do for such a handsome reward? Cutler 11:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Got it - all I had to do was get hold of a copy of  - new section added.Cutler 10:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic chaplain 

message: Currently on this page there are five photos of military chaplains, one photo of a hospital chaplain, and no photos of other types of chaplains. Efforts should be made to add photos of other types of chaplains and perhaps reduce the number of military chaplains, because it is only one type of many (more extensive photos, of course, can go in the subarticle Military chaplain). Mangostar (talk) 00:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  unbalanced images 

message: Should You Hire a Workplace Chaplain? has some information on corporate chaplains. I've removed the following material from this article, placed there by an IP editor today, which reads like promotional material for Corporate Chaplains of American. Don't have time to put together a section here, but it could be done from the source above, if that source is considered sufficiently reliable. Certainly better than the lack of source for the CCA material:
:Similar to the visible hardhat or briefcase, these personal issues are brought into the workplace as emotional baggage each day. Corporate Chaplains of America was founded in 1996 by Mark Cress to provide genuine “Caring in the Workplace.” This care follows a structured business plan built upon process management principles.
:The organization employs full-time, long-term career chaplains who combine workplace experience with professional chaplaincy training. In addition to holding masters degree or higher educational training, all chaplains complete 154 hours of continuing education training as the first step in the chaplain career path.
:Desiring to be America’s leading full-time corporate chaplaincy agency, Corporate Chaplains of America is a pioneer in the workplace, being the first to provide:
:*A process-managed system to provide seamless integration of its chaplaincy system into companies large and small, public and private, serving businesses in practically every SIC industry classification. Some clients employ as few as 10 associates, while others have in excess of 10,000.
:*An exclusively full-time workforce of highly trained professional chaplains with an exceptionally high retention rate in excess of 93 percent over the history of the organization.
:*Significant investment (more than $500,000) in integrated continuing education systems designed to keep chaplain skills current. :*Long-term career pathways for chaplains and support staff.
:*Full-time headquarters staff dedicated exclusively to chaplain recruitment.
:*Branded uniform clothing consistent with workplace environment attire.
:*Universal continuing education training and emotional decompression events. Tri-annually, all chaplains retreat from the field as a group for three days to recharge emotionally and enhance skills.
:*Strong financial controls, leading to the top financial ranking of any agency in the industry according to Guidestar.com, a non-profit watchdog group.
:The organizational vision of Corporate Chaplains of America is to employ over 1,000 full-time chaplains, serving over 1 million employees by 2012.
--Abd (talk) 22:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corporate Chaplains of America. 

message: There is an in-line citation supporting the idea that the chaplaincy has the highest casualty rate in the military.  This citation should be moved to a footnote. 24.131.79.170 (talk) 00:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military Casualty Rate 

message: While editing another article that described a significant Multi-denominational religious service, I attempted to wikilink it but it was redirected to a for profit organization.  I changed the redirect to Religious denomination, an article that was previously unsourced and seems to be very incomplete.  I then added a section describing multi-denominational to satisfy my need to define to support the article I was originally working with so it meets my needs at the moment.  
However, due to my lifetime of exposure to the US Military, I know that my poor attempt at defining it and describing the concept will never do the concept justice.  Perhaps someone much more expert then I can improve that section beyond what I could hope to do. 
Sincerely.  Veriss (talk) 21:52, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help with [[Multi-denominational]] 

message: Isn't the article rather over-illustrated - to the point where it detracts from the text? Could some of the images be moved to a Gallery? Jack1956 (talk) 15:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Jack1956 -- if you know how to make a gallery and you think that would be better, then you obviously know more about wikipedia than I do, and I for one would certainly trust your judgment. I do think it is important to keep most if not all of these photos if at all possible, since they represent chaplains of different religions and types, partly as a response to earlier complaints (that you also saw) that there was an imbalance.  I think the article is still good, balancing images and texts -- but again, I would trust you if you made changes. Good luck! NearTheZoo (talk) 21:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Plethora of Images

message: The text of the section on law enforcement is entirely sourced from the website of a chaplaincy organization. As such it may not be neutral and reads as an advertisment. --Dishcmds (talk) 00:54, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Agreed, it does look like an ad. there is no evidence that this org is a RS. Further, they use their being mentioned in this article as "evidence" of their legitimacy . Starting to look WP:CIRCULAR as well as self-promotional. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Law Enforcement section 

message: I propose that CORPORATE CHAPLAINS be merged into Chaplain. Chris the speller yack 16:27, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at the moment, imo.  The whole area is a mess.  Military Chaplains, corporate chaplains, chaplains, hospital chaplains, pet chaplains ... At this stage I would rather a group were to give some thought to achieving a consensus on the articles needed, and what material needs to be in each.  Otherwise we are just splashing around.  Just my 1p worth :)  Friendly regards,  Springnuts (talk) 23:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The version with the horrible plural, shouted title has been deleted. But its content can be found in the history of corporate chaplain. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I added a new WikiLink for minister in the first section. I was unsure of the definition and thought a link would be helpful. The WikiLink only leads to the words in a Christian sense. Please take away if inappropriate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrNiceGuy1113 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of minister 

message: Hello
Are there Mormon chaplains? If so, what institutions (military, prison, hospitals, accept them? What qualifications must they have. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 00:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mormon Chaplains 

message: Reading through the Schools section of the article, it strikes me that the unreferenced claim that "chaplains are an essential appointment within the life of a school community who seek to be constantly present for all pupils, staff and parents to walk alongside them on life’s spiritual journey." is not neutral, it asserts one point of view on the subject without acknowledging the opposing view that they are unnecessary or that other options such as a social or youth worker exist as an alternative.
Wikidmage (talk) 06:35, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: I came to the page to add a section on animal chaplains, and then noticed the categories of chaplains could be better organized in alphabetical order. Did that, with a few minor modifications to text (like merging school and educational). Added a piece about music to that subcategory. 
Came to the "prison" subcategory and noticed citations needed and a couple of problematic paragraphs. The first is below, expounds more on the reasons for prison than I believe belongs in an article about chaplaincy. Will delete this:
"The State has the twofold responsibility about crime and punishment: to discourage behavior that is harmful to human rights and the fundamental norms of civil life, and to repair, through the penal system, the disorder created by criminal activity. Judicial and penal institutions play a fundamental role in protecting citizens and safeguarding the common good. By their very nature these institutions must contribute to the rehabilitation of offenders. So, prisons are a reality of any society. But, quite often, prison causes more problems than it solves."
The second paragraph discusses an article by Vince Drum. I found a link to the article, but it doesn't say what the writer would have it say, so will delete this and edit accordingly: 
"Vance Drum wrote and presented a paper at the American Correctional Association on the nature of the professional prison
Generally speaking, prisoners are often persons excluded, aborted from society. Prisoners easily can be overwhelmed by feelings of isolation, shame and rejection that threaten to shatter their hopes and aspirations for the future."
On another note, I tidied up the external links a bit. When I got to the "talk" page here, I noticed that one of our previous colleague editors, Springnuts, deleted a lot of links to other pages. I thought some of them were interesting. Maybe it would be a good thing to have as another article section, the various chaplaincy organizations.
Canadianknowledgelover (talk) 09:04, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal, Music, Prison chaplains & other edits 

message: Removed information on the Madison program as it was noted as being very different from typical prison chaplain programs. The article should contain a better description of typical chaplain work first before presenting a unique situation.
Ehgarrick (talk) 18:26, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prison Chaplaincy 

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message: I've removed the Catholicism portal sidebar which in some viewing formats takes up a large prominent space toward the top of the page. Clearly chaplaincy covers multiple faith and belief systems and this sidebar is hugely misleading as it leads the casual reader to assume this is a page concerning Catholicism. It violates WP:PORTG portal guidelines "Portals should not be a vehicle for advocacy or advertisement". Mramoeba (talk) 20:01, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal sidebar 

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message: Hi ! Per WP:SDFORMAT, we should be aiming for a target length of 40 characters or less. The current description is 96 characters, more than twice over that. I'll defer to you about what would be more appropriate than the current description, but I don't think this is a page where it's necessary to go much over the target limit. Please keep in mind that short descriptions are intended to help with disambiguation, not to be a full mini-definition of the subject. Cheers,  talk 18:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Understand though the initial shorter  choice had a lot of ambiguity.  Perhaps "a spiritual representative attached to a secular institution" (admittedly grabbed from elsewhere).  --Erp (talk) 00:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Drop the leading "a" and that sounds good. If we wanted to shorten further, we could say . Go with whichever sounds good.  talk 01:15, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short description 

message: From what I can understand, this article seems like complete nonsense. The introduction claims that a chaplain is a person who belongs to a religious faith… OR a secular person who doesn't belong to any religious faith. So, in other words, a chaplain is simply "a person"! That is all the intro tells us. That a chaplain is "a person". What does this "person" do? The introduction merely states WHERE chaplains work, with no indication given of what they do, since they may or may NOT be religious.
Deeper in the article, we find all kinds of jumbled job descriptions, some pertaining to religious faith (eg prayer) and some pertaining to the secular world (eg counselling). These, surely, are two completely unrelated jobs with absolutely nothing in common. They are two diametrically opposed jobs - one is to provide spiritual ministering from a religious standpoint under a shared belief in a particular God - the other is to provide atheistic non-spiritual ministering in the absence of a belief in God.
Surely this article ought to be two separate articles? One describing the traditional kind of chaplain who has a set of religious beliefs - the other describing this new kind of secular chaplain who does NOT have a set of religious beliefs and sounds more like a counsellor?
It seems to me that the only thing these two jobs have in common is they happen to share the same name, thus they are homographs. Grand Dizzy (talk) 03:42, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article seems like nonsense