Talk:Peckerwood

message: "Peckerwood" was used by my father, a white southerner from Arkansas, as a pejorative for white males who acted silly, stupid, obnoxious or ignorant. He told me that it was because a woodpecker lives alone in the forest and has solitary vices and other bad habits. :) Halfelven 05:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Use in Arkansas

message: It's also used by Italians in Kansas City to refer to non-Italian whites. I have no documentation of this fact, unfortunately. --Raulpascal (talk) 22:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Use in Kansas City

message: The "other uses" section should be a stand-alone disambiguation page.  Comments?  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I recommend splitting this article up 

message: This is a racial term used by Southern blacks to disparage Whites. This article pretends like it's something else. It even uses sources and then misrepresents the sources.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.232.41 (talk) 06:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad article 

message: I have seen this word used as a slang term for woodpecker and a racial slur.
As a young boy growing up in Southern Missouri this word was used by older people as another word for woodpecker. Back then I did not know it was used to describe poor white sharecroppers. This is because there were no sharecroppers in our area as cotton was not grown there. Instead of Peckerwood the term White Trash was used to describe white people who were considered lazy and of low morals.
As an adult living in an urban area I have heard this term being used as racial slang numerous times. In this day and age the use of this word to describe a woodpecker died out when the older people who used it died off.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thundercloud47 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peckerwood 

message: This source from the ADL (which is in a frustrating fake-magazine Flash format) says that the term "peckerwood" is used by a lot of different gangs and wannabe gangs but is clear that this is just a loosely defined subculture, not a national organization. It also makes it clear that many local prisons/police/etc. use the term as a catch-all, which has caused a lot of confusion. For this reason, I don't think the single sentence "The Peckerwoods are a nationwide street gang reported in Green Bay and Sheboygan" from this Wisconsin DOJ PDF is usable as a source here. For reasons described in the ADL source, it's impossible to know what the Wisconsin source is even talking about without more context. Grayfell (talk) 22:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It means they're talking about the a street gang that exists in Wisconsin. Most of the "reliable sources" about this topic are garbage anyways because cops seem to blow every concept out of proportion. The gang is based in California - the other gangs are extensions from Aryan Brotherhood which moved throughout the prison system. Thats why it exists in places like Wisconsin. It's a loosely defined subculture in the sense of Aryan Brotherhood's national identity - not in the sense of California gang culture. QubixQdotta (talk) 05:49, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote I gave from the Wisconsin source includes everything that it says about peckerwoods. It says nothing about the connection between the peckerwoods and the Aryan Brotherhood. It seems like you're saying the source is garbage, but we should use it anyway because you agree with it. I don't think that's going to work. The way to fix this would be to find a better source. Grayfell (talk) 07:53, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status as a gang 

message: We need to distinguish the line between the word/prison slang for white prisoner AND the name of the gang "Peckerwood" that is on the streets. It is a title of a gang like Blood or Crip. "They are the Crips" "He is a crip" "He is a Crip member" would be the same thing. QubixQdotta (talk) 01:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: peckerwood vs Peckerwood

message: Italics are appropriate when discussing the term peckerwood, as per both MOS:LEADSENTENCE and WP:WORDSASWORDS generally. They are needed to make the use-mention distinction clear for the reader, as we're mentioning the term as a term, not just using it in a sentence.--Cúchullain t/c 02:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Italics for the lede word are only used in titles. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:33, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That's obviously not true looking at Y'all, Ain't, Thou, floruit, queer, Irregardless, and the dozens or hundreds of other articles on words and terms. Plus those like "Craic" and "D'oh" that use quotation marks instead of italics to mark the use-mention distinction. Not to mention the multiple guidelines that say italics should be used in this way.--Cúchullain t/c 13:19, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that, I'll re-add the italics.--Cúchullain t/c 17:55, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted.  You need to get a consensus on this page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You appear to be the only one objecting to this change, which is, again, supported by the guidelines and precedent at other articles. However, I'll request a third opinion.--Cúchullain t/c 18:49, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And you appear to be the only one supporting the change in this discussion, so you have no consensus to make the change,  Get a consensus, right here, on this page.  Also, please recall that MOS and other guidelines are just that guidelines, they are not mandatory, and must be applied with common sense. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italics 

message: Response to third opinion request:
I agree with BMK, as "peckerwood" does not appear to be the title of any type of media (for example). OAN: I also think this article should be moved to Peckerwood (slang) and then the original title should redirect to Woodpecker with a hatnote along the lines of:  Erpert blah, blah, blah... 17:36, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: The "Differences between gangs and subculture" section consisted entirely of unsourced declarative statements, which is a violation of WP:V and WP:RS, so I removed it from the article.  I've posted it below, so that parts of it can be restored to the article with the proper support of citations from reliable sources.  Any material which is restored without references will be deleted again, and repeated actions of this kind will be reported for sanctioning.
The task is simple: take a statement or group of statements, find a source that supports ihe information, then restore that information with a reference to that source.
==Differences between gangs and subculture==
Ironically, there is a misconception about the term "peckerwood". Critics assume a peckerwood is a racist, neo-nazi white supremacist gang member. However, majority of peckerwoods claim not to be gangbangers. According to some peckerwoods, the difference between the peckerwood subculture and the peckerwood prison gang population is the peckerwood subculture does not condone any criminal activities or a group of racist bigots. The peckerwood subculture is majorily white, however Hispanics, Europeans, Native Americans and minority Asians are recently joining the subculture. African americans were not allowed to join, due to the fact that blacks invented the term "peckerwood" as a racist slur, which may be an assuming reason why African-Americans were not permitted. Peckerwoods also borrow elements of Nazism and Neo-Confederate paraphernalia (right wing extremism, white nationalism, white seperatism, fascism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, Southern Nationalism). Peckerwoods deny themselves being racist, however they support a favor of anti-Semitism and rejects a racist ideology of White Supremacy.
=== Nazism ===
The Peckerwoods' main ideology subscribed to is Nazism, inspired by the teachings of Adolf Hitler. Peckerwoods are also Neo-Confederate as well (such as honoring soldiers of the Confederacy). Despite the Peckerwoods' rejection of White supremacy, they show loyal support to the Nazi Low Riders.
=== Allies ===
Peckerwoods have no official allies but they do support right wing, political groups. They have typical allegiance to the Nazi Low Riders. Peckerwoods do ally themselves with  Nazi punks,  NSBM metalheads, and  RAC rockers. Peckerwoods also favor music such as Hardcore punk, Horrorcore rap, Rock Against Communism (RAC), Punk rock, Speed metal and Grindcore.
=== Rivals ===
Peckerwoods are in a political conflict against radical leftists as they pair up with right wing extremists. They also tend to share the same rivals the Nazi Low Riders have, such as Bloods, Crips, Black Guerrilla Family, Mara Salvatrucha, Norteños, and Latin Kings. When it comes to involvement in a political war, the Peckerwoods' main rivals are Red and Anarchist Skinheads, Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice, Antifa, Black Lives Matter and Social Justice Warriors. Peckerwoods also believes to have a deep hostility towards the Jewish Defense League.
=== Religous aspects in the Peckerwood subculture ===
Although the Peckerwoods subculture has no official religion, most Peckerwoods favor in Christianity as the subculture's main religion. The subculture tends to maintain an Anti-Semitic attitude. However, 67% of the Peckerwoods mostly convert to  Nordic paganism or Satanism cause they believe Christianity is a form of Judaism.
Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:53, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section removed