Talk:Leeann Tweeden

message: Do you have any specific support that Tweeden wasn't accepted at Harvard? I've found several cites that  say she was. Finder seems to be questioning the fact but he doesn't actually dispute it. And his overall column seems to be unhappy with the idea of women competing against him in sports broadcasting. MK2 16:31, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Today I removed this sentence, "She will join the Covino and Rich show on Sirius radio 108 (Maxim Radio) on Tuesdays and Thursdays." For one thing, it was uncited, and I can't find anything to confirm its truth. PKT(alk) 21:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Covino and Rich

message: One does not skip college; either one goes to college or one does not go to college. ForDorothy (talk) 09:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to have been addressed, so I am marking this section as resolved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "skipped" college? 

message: Given the news today, it seems curious that there was the need for an image swap. It smacks of a political purpose. Mikesilv (talk) 01:27, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, the problem in question is not an "allegation" as described, but a documented and acknowledged fact - also smacking of politics.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.170.88.70 (talk) 05:23, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curious day for an image swap 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkTvGjSW7v0
Leeann Tweeden: Senator Al Franken kissed and groped me without my consent
KABC RADIO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoF3rq4qjtA
Leeann Tweeden Reads Apology Letter From Sen. Al Franken | The View
The View
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJRm4jyI4WM
Al Franken Accuser Leeann Tweeden Speaks Out About Sexual Misconduct Allegations Against Senator
The View
 
64.175.40.10 (talk) 00:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: refs

message: All the sources, starting from the original KABC piece, but continuing to the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, Reuters..., describe Tweeden's accusation as of being both forcibly kissed and groped. Yet when I wrote as much, SPECIFICO reverted with the comment BLP -- questionable accusation stated as fact. I'm pretty sure I was stating it as part of the accusation, not as a fact, and think we should follow the reliable sources in writing about both, not just one. --GRuban (talk) 21:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a difficult issue to sort out, and it's actually a good example of why we say WP:NOTNEWS and other policies that help us steer clear of situations that may strain our resources to stick to NPOV, V, and BLP.  We do have a primary video of her stating that he grabbed her breasts, groped her, forcibly, etc. etc. and then we have a photo that shows none of this.  Is there a witness who saw him do the things she claims in the KABC video version?  Then we have her saying she agreed to rehearse the kiss, but then we have "forcibly kiss" when what she later said was that he kissed her hard and aggressive.  There's a lot communicated by the choice of language and words here and the reporting on this has not ripened to the point where these issues have been sorted out by the mainstream reporting.  SPECIFICO talk  23:40, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Still don't get your objection to grope but not to forcibly kiss. Are you by chance objecting to both but for some reason only deleting one? --GRuban (talk) 02:21, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Frankly I forget what I removed.  I suppose "forcibly" could be changed to "forcefully" -- I think the more interesting question is whether RS will unpack the apparent contradictions in her versions of the story and the contradictions between her testimony and other available information.   SPECIFICO talk  03:19, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  You removed the word "groped" from the allegation. I linked it above, twice, my addition and your removal. Do you no longer object to the word? --GRuban (talk) 03:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well he did not grope her. He did forcibly kiss her. He did humiliate her with the photo. What's wrong with hover or touch? "Grope" isn't really very encyclopedic language anyway. What does it mean?  SPECIFICO talk  03:47, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, actually, we don't know and can't write that. We just have her word that he forcibly kissed her, just as we similarly just have her word that he groped her. That's what makes them both accusations. He didn't completely admit to or completely deny either, just said that he remembers it differently, but apologizes, and to believe women. --GRuban (talk) 04:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm OK with your last edit that replaces "forcibly kissed" with "inappropriate behavior", then lets the rest of the section convey the details. That works. --GRuban (talk) 00:22, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your help with this.  SPECIFICO talk  00:26, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kissed but not groped? 

message: These details are about Franken, not Tweeden, so I suggest we shorten the section to roughly this. Discussion about whether it was forcible or forceful, etc, can continue at Talk:Al Franken. SarahSV (talk) 04:54, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Section too long

message: The following are primary sources, but they provide context for editors, regardless of whether there are ultimately RS reports concerning these facts. Tweeden apparently did not know or did not recount significant contextualizing facts concerning her interactions with Franken on the USO tour.
The script for this skit, which apparently was written for one of Franken's previous USO tours, was published in Mother Jones in 2004. 
 SPECIFICO talk  17:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Context regarding skit and kiss 

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message: See N1-N225 long twitter thread.
Of course, a Twitter thread is not RS, but it links to numerous articles, photos, videos, all organized into pretty good chronology, unlike some of he photos that got posted. Tweet N10 starts a section of additions & errata, N10.1-N28, so there are more than 250 tweets in this thread.
I'm totally consumed with other things right now, but there are useful pieces, like:
N72-N75 Full video of Karri Turner in 2002 with Franken
N161-N167 explanation of Interceptor Body Armor Tweeden worse, which includes .5" ceramic plate, not merely Kevlar
N168-N178 Tweeden at2500 miles from home at 2009 USO-Metro gala, where he was top honoree. She chatted & laughed with him, seen in 4 Gettyimages photos, then lied to interviewers, claiming she was cold & turned away.
N224-N225 35 appearances on Hannity show, from her Tweets & blog psots.
JohnMashey (talk) 22:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jane Mayer's story constrained by print, no use of photos; there is much more detail available if people want to be editing 

message: Next time someone edits, KABC changed its programming at beginning of 2020, dropped various live local shows in favor of syndicated programming.  I'm not exactly sure when this took effect, but her last tweets with Dr Drew seem January 2020. See KABC Cuts Most Of Local Lineup, December 5, 2019 JohnMashey (talk) 18:56, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tweeden no longer at KABC after January 2020, unclear if she is currently on radio or TV anywhere 

message: I just restored some material that was a controversial edit of mine. I'm concerned with certain descriptors such as "provocateur" for Stone and "conspiracy theorist" for Jones - I agree both words can be accurate to describe them, just concerned that they can be leading descriptors in this context, unless there is material in the sources suggesting that this aspect of their work is relevant (i.e. that the Tweeden allegations were a Republican-created hit). If consensus is that it should stay, it's not a big deal to me. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 10:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question of descriptors