Talk:Mariana mallard

message: There are a lot of assumptions and "probably"s in this article.  It seems that this is unverified claims/speculation.
Examples from a quick read through:
*Ducklings were probably intermediate in plumage...
*The voice can be assumed to have resembled...
*...these were probably vagrant migrating ducks...
*...although up-ending was not observed, they probably utilized it too.
*Hunting pressure was probably heavy...
*Many Anas species probably separated less than 100.000 years ago
*...as a distinct new life-form is produced in this process, which does probably not resemble...
This sentence seems contradictory, or at least confusing:
*Hunting pressure was probably heavy, despite a ban on gun ownership under Japanese control (1914-1945), as the birds were unwary to be trapped, and at any rate the gun ban was lifted after World War II (see also below). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mech Aaron (talk • contribs) 14:36, 24 June 2009
Since these sections have been tagged for so long, I've removed them here:
Ducklings were probably intermediate in plumage between the two progenitor species, somewhat duller than mallard or somewhat more vividly colored than Pacific Black Duck downy young.
Hidden comment:
should be correct, but check Philips, J.C. (1923): "A natural history of the ducks, vol. 2" to be able to remove "probably"
And on the voice:
The voice can be assumed to have resembled the Mariana Mallard's parent species'; possibly, the females' quacking was hoarser than in the mallard.
—innotata (Talk • Contribs) 18:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Issues

message: FWIE claims that the first description was in Bonaparte's Consp. Gen. Avium vol. 2 (as a variant of the mallard). I can find no such reference: strangely, the entire Anseriformes seems to be missing from the Gallica copy, but as they are not in the index either and the page numbers are in accord with the bibliographic references, the issue is completely muddy. But as they explicitly state that the page is a draft and may hold incorrect information... they are certainly wrong about Hartert placing the MM as mallard subspecies. He explicitly states, "...wyvilliana of Hawaii, laysanensis of Laysan and oustaleti of the Marianne [sic] Islands. The latter three species [my emphasis] are evidently rather recent derivatives of the mallard, A. platyrhynchos...".
But still: Bonaparte's work lacking the entire Anseriformes seems too weird to be true. Dysmorodrepanis 16:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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