Talk:List of multinational festivals and holidays

message: So why are All Saints Day (December 1) and St. Nicholas' Day (December 6) listed here when they are only nominally holidays, rather than celebrated with festivals, and they occur in the Fall?  Winter starts on or about December 21 each year. You might as well list Saint Swithin's Day (July 15). 71.254.253.7 (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Winter Non-Festival Holidays?

message: Does anyone actually celebrate this? If not, I suggest a "fictional" catagory, to which I can add Hogswatchnight 8-). Daibhid C 18:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We could add the Pastafarian 'Holiday' here as well, if need be. -EarthRise33 (talk) 13:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Did it. -EarthRise33 (talk) 04:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Winter-Een-Mas

message: On 27 December 1831 Charles Darwin set forth in the HMS Beagle. This was an "On this day" article for 2006-12-27. I mentioned to a friend that it was yet another Winter festival... Googling does yield a few instances of Beaglemas greetings. Enough to list it here as a secular holiday? :-) -- Evertype·✆ 13:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beaglemas 

message: Mh.. I protected the page beacuse it was ongoing vandalism. I semiprotected first but the anonymous kpet vandalizing... sorry if this was wrong... but as you can see from the history the vandalism was going on even with the semi-protection --Legion fi 08:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've succesfuly restored the article and moved it to semi-protect... hope the vandal is gone. --Legion fi 08:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: Shouldn't Kwanzaa be included? Luis Dantas (talk) 16:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible inclusions 

message: *"Yuletide", in the Secular category, talks about two names but supplies only one. Luis Dantas (talk) 16:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weird wording found

message: From what I understand Halloween is a fall festival, not a winter festival.  So what is it doing on this list?  Can anybody clarify it's purpose for being here? Nomardll769 (talk) 00:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halloween a winter festival? 

message: Chalica is listed under fictional holidays. It may be a newly created holiday but it is NOT fictional. It was created by real people in the real world, and is celebrated by real people in the real world. I'd move it myself, but I'm not sure where it should go. PLEASE fix this! musicalmeg20 (talk) 05:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chalica 

message: Groundhog day is assuredly a winter festival. It seems to be a modern evolution from Candlemas day. See the movie, it is great. I will add it later when I have a bit more time. --Marcwiki9 (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Groundhog Day 

message: Hmm..I would include Christmas as a secular holiday as well (unless the intent of the article is to have mutually exclusive celebrations, which also doesn't seem right).  Many secular or non-religious people celebrate Christmas in a secular way (Christmas tree, Christmas lights, presents, mythology of Santa etc).Buzzbo (talk) 03:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not on any team watching this page, but you have a very good point that may be simple enough to address. What if under the Christian category, it can say "(celebrated as the birth of Jesus)" after "Christmas", and under the Secular category, it can say "(celebrated as a winter holiday)" or something to that effect after. Just a thought. musicalmeg20 (talk) 07:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christmas 

message: It is clearly stated on the Halloween page that Hallowe'en originates from all hallows ever which is the night before All Saints Day, which should thus make it religious holiday rather than secular.  
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.145.5 (talk) 06:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hallowe'en not secular? 

message: As just mentioned, Halloween, Christmas, and Thanksgiving could be argued as being secular or not. Under the thanksgiving page, no where is the word secular even mentioned. It's silly to have a secular label, because every holiday can be celebrated in a secular way. I would suggest removing the secular label and defining a more precise labeling system.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.82.8.0 (talk) 18:49, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secular label causes confusion

message: I'm thinking that maybe this article should be renamed to something along the lines of "List of holidays and festivals", as it is being expanded to include non-winter Festivals.
--82.34.243.21 (talk) 21:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of 'winter' festivals? 

message: "In many English-speaking countries, the period of time around the winter solstice is known as the holiday season". What absolute nonsense. In the UK and Ireland it is called "Christmas", even by atheists. In Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, winter is nowhere near most of the festivals listed in this article, so it's hardly holiday season. Essentially, "many English-speaking countries" should be replaced by "the United States and possibly Canada". Bazonka (talk) 18:50, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "In many English-speaking countries"

message: Should this: http://www.agnostica.com/ be added?...  (probably to secular rather than fictional, since I think there are actually people who celebrate it to some extent...)  Tamtrible (talk) 00:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agnostica 

message: I tried to make a redirect request here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Redirects/2013-12#Redirect_request:_December_holidays_.2C_end_of_year_holidays_.2C_winter_holidays and it got ignored.  This seems like... a particularly timely redirect request, as people may be trying right now to figure out things like "My friend is of X religion, what holiday can I wish her a nice one of?"...  Tamtrible (talk) 18:19, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't seem unreasonable. Is there any reason you haven't just created these yourself? You can, you know... Yunshui 雲‍水 08:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't entirely know how...  Tamtrible (talk) 15:56, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  redirect? 

message: This article has become basically a completely arbitrarily collected list of festivals from all around the calendar year, ranging from the Northern Hemisphere's harvest-timed festivals to its winter solstice-timed festivals, then it has the Southern Hemisphere festivals in July, and also a strange "Winter festivals in popular culture" section, which is really just fictionalized versions of Christmas from TV shows, a common trope as noted at TVTropes.org. And the "Other calendars" section is just a mess. 
Either this article should just be renamed to "List of festivals and holidays" and expand to include virtually all festivals and holidays, or be more specific and include either only festivals around the winter solstice, during the winter season, during the harvest season, or whatever users here want to decide. Maybe it could be separated into various articles. The current state of the article with its current title and current listings just doesn't make any sense. I'd love to have talk about this with others here before making any changes, but if no one joins the discussion I will take the bold initiative to do something about it one way or another. Crumpled Fire (talk) 14:47, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A reasonable thing to do might be to rename it to "list of festivals and holidays", then group it in sections seasonally (eg: fall/harvest, winter, spring), with an additional section for "roving" holidays, and fictional holidays grouped under their appropriate season.  Tamtrible (talk) 00:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Mostly that sounds like a good idea, but remember that the seasons are different depending on whether you're in the Northern Hemisphere or the Southern Hemisphere. A good example of a problem would be that Christmas is celebrated on December 25 in both Europe and Australia, and this date falls during winter in Europe, but summer in Australia. I do agree with your idea that listing all holidays here seems to be the best idea, but maybe the best categorization is by Month, then subsection by religion/culture/country. I think the fictional holidays can still all be in one section, but rename it to something other than the current ridiculous "Winter festivals in popular culture". And we can get rid of the "Other calendars" section and just move those holidays to their respective category by Month/Religion/etc. I might start work on it now, and you can leave feedback and we can adjust accordingly. Crumpled Fire (talk) 19:19, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

text: I also wanted to add that I think "List of multinational festivals and holidays" is the best choice for a title, because List of holidays by country already exists, so we need to distinguish the two and not include any nation-specific holidays in the list here. Crumpled Fire (talk) 19:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

text: There is no definition of a 'major religion'. Does a religion need to be theistic? What is major?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.84.62 (talk) 18:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article doesn't know what it's about 

message: And Easter, too.  They'd all go in the "moveable" section, most likely, though if they always or almost always fall within the same month, you can place them appropriately (donno, not Jewish).
And, the last bit in the "moveable" section... doesn't quite seem in keeping with the rest of the list.
I think the major Islamic holidays are missing, too (like Ramadan).  Tamtrible (talk) 06:36, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this is no longer "List of winter holidays", it is "List of multinational festivals and holidays".  Tamtrible (talk) 01:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone add the major Jewish holidays 

message: Freezing Man, at least, seems inappropriate.  Some of the rest I can see keeping (because of immigration, if nothing else--probably better to err on the side of not being too strict, probably better to have too much information than not enough), but there are a few others that could reasonably be argued.  Tamtrible (talk) 00:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we remove some of the "winter festival" holdovers that aren't multinational 

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message: Most/all of the "movable" holidays happen at *roughly* the same time of year (at least, the ones we have listed seem to).  Some are listed only in "movable", some are listed only in the general month list, some are listed both places.
We really ought to do, at least roughly, the same thing with all of them.
The options, as I  see them:
A. Any that have an approximate month, list only in that month, with the range listed.  Use "movable" only for holidays that, eg, precess throughout the year because they're on a lunar calendar that never gets corrected to match the seasons (I think Ramadan's like that)
B. List in both places if applicable, with a full description in the month and a brief note in "movable".
C. List in both places if applicable, with a brief note in the month and a full description in movable
D. List them only in "movable", though perhaps breaking it into winter/spring/summer/fall/unfixed rather than leaving all "movable" holidays grouped only by religion/source culture.
Opinions?  Tamtrible (talk) 10:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need to do something more consistent with the movable holidays. 

message: Yom HaAtzmaut, Yom HaShoah and YomHaZikaron are not jewish holidays. They are holidays in Israel.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HarelKarni (talk • contribs) 08:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: false information

message: Dec. 1 is World AIDS Day  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crow60 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: feel free to add it...  Tamtrible (talk) 04:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secular Day of Awareness 

message: Judging from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_Day
* "Boxing Day is a holiday celebrated the day after Christmas Day, thus being the second day of Christmastide."
* "In parts of Europe, such as Romania, Hungary, Germany, Poland, the Netherlands, the Czech Republic, Catalonia and Scandinavia, 26 December is celebrated as a second Christmas Day."
* "It is sometimes believed to be in reference to the Alms Box placed in the narthex of Christian churches to collect donations to the poor. The tradition may come from a custom in the late Roman/early Christian era wherein alms boxes placed in churches were used to collect special offerings tied to the Feast of Saint Stephen, which in the Western Christian Churches falls on the same day as Boxing Day, the second day of Christmastide."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.84.66 (talk) 21:56, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't Boxing Day be categorized under Christianity rather than Secular? 

message: I think that Mid-Autumn Festival should be included given that it is the second most important East Asian festival after Lunar New Year according to its wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Autumn_Festival
It would be under moveable since it follows the Lunar calendar and usually falls in September or October.
24.38.252.13 (talk) 03:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to add it... Tamtrible (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mid-Autumn Or Moon Festival 

message: 1. How aggressive should we be about removing non-multinational holidays?  And can someone confirm for me whether or not these actually are non-multinational?
The ones I see so far:
Juneteenth : 19 June (US-only, afaik)
Columbus Day: 12 October or the second Monday in October (likewise)
Indigenous Peoples' Day: the second Monday in October (likewise)
Calan Gaeaf: 1 November – the first day of winter in Wales (is this celebrated anywhere besides Wales?)
Guy Fawkes Night: 5 November – celebrated in the UK commemorating the anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot (UK-only, afaik)
Maaveerar Naal: 27 November: Remembrance day observed by Sri Lankan Tamils in honour of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam. (sounds pretty uninational to me)
Yom Ha'atzmaut: Israeli Independence Day (again, single nation)
2. Can someone please try to add dates to the dateless entries, and properly flag the "movable" ones?
The problem children I see:
    Losar: Sometime in February (Moveable) (not listed in the "moveable", presumably because it's only in February, but if that's the case, it shouldn't have the "moveable" tag)
Sapta-Bipta (Maithil worship festival Sapta Mai worship) (also has bad links)
Holi (Hindu holiday in honor of Lord Vishnu)
    Rama Navami: birth of the god Rama
    Hanuman Jayanti: typically a week after Rama Navami, in honour of the birth of Hanuman
    Gangaur: occurring in April, in honour of the victory of Goddess Mahagauri
    Maithil: occurring in April, Joor-seetal First day of Mithila calendar
Yom HaShoah
Lag BaOmer
Vesak: Buddha's Birthday – celebrated on Vesak Full Moon by most buddhists.  (some indication of where that falls on the Julian calendar would be good...)
Yom HaZikaron
Yom Ha'atzmaut: Israeli Independence Day
Raib-Shain Paavein Worship of Sun and Saturn god (also, bad link)
We Tripantu
    Ratha Yatra: procession of Vishnu
Asalha Puja: Dhamma Day a Day When First Time Buddha gave Dhamma (updesh) To his First Five Sermons It Celebrate on full moon Day of Ashaldh
    Guru Purnima: a reverential day in honour of all teachers and instructors.
    Devshayani Ekadashi: solemnity of the repose of Vishnu, coincides with the first day of the highly inauspicious Chaturmas season.
    Raksha Bandhan: a festival commemorating filial love.
    Krishna Janmashtami: birth anniversary of Krishna.
    Onam: a festival of Kerala, India.
Simchat Torah
Navratri: celebrates the conquest of Goddess Durga
Kartik Purnima: An additional commemoration of the Celestial Diwali, or the "Diwali of the Gods"; hence the Sanskrit appellation "Dev Diwali", in honour of Vishnu, Kartikeya and Goddess Ganga.
Mōdraniht: or Mothers' Night, the Saxon winter solstice festival.
Dongzhi Festival – a celebration of Winter
Navratri: The great nine nights of the Goddess Durga, commemorating Her victory against the demon Mahish Navratri: The great nine nights of the Goddess Durga, commemorating Her victory against the demon Mahishasura.
Kartik Purnima
Onam
Janamashtami
Rama Navami
Maha Shivaratri
Sharad Purnima / Lakshmi Puja / Kali Puja
Vasant Panchami
    Malanka caps off the festivities of the Christmas holidays
    Maslenitsa in Slavic mythology, a celebration of the imminent end of the winter
Anyone feel up to tackling these?  Tamtrible (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It having been a year since I first posted this, and seeing no objections, I'm removing the non-multinational holidays that I listed above.  Tamtrible (talk) 05:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some cleanup we probably need 

message: Should they be?
The only ones that I know are generally treated as secular holidays are Valentine's and St. Patrick's.  The rest should, presumably, be listed as "Christian" rather than "Secular". Tamtrible (talk) 22:00, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are a bunch of "Saint X" days listed as secular... 

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