Talk:Puerto Rican-American

message: Is there any difference between Puerto Rican and Puertorrican people to merit separate articles? IF so please provide the differences and reasons for both articles? If no reasons are found this article should be merged into Puerto Rican since it came before and is a more common spelling/ pronunciation. Joelito 04:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Thank you for this article..
Puerto Ricans won't acknowledge anything other than Spainish coming to the island..We had French..Germans..English..Irish..Dutch even Chinese.
I've notice this among other Hispanics of other countries..
they have no clue what they are or who they came from.
to think we are all the same is ignorant..like thinking everyone born in America is the same race..not even everyone from the same city is the same race.
only once in my life did I meet a person who looked so much like me she could pass for my sister..she was from the Netherlands.
My mother has no African blood and my father has no Taino blood both are "native" Boricuas.
I traced my paternal grandmother to the middle east of Sephardi blood
while my maternal grandmother only has 1 person non Taino who was a Gitana..not the italian looking European but more Hindu looking with very dark skin(calé).
It's a lie that all Boricuas are a mix of Taino,Spanish/white,Yoruban
it's also a lie that the Spanish married Taino & African women..it was against the law as it was in America.
I agree that many Hispanics (including most Puerto Ricans) don't even know what their roots are. Puerto Ricans can be white, black, asian, mulatto and even mestizo if they have married someone with Indian heritage. However, there seems to be a movement to eliminate the "Spanish" heritage out of Latin Americans, as if having Spanish ancestry was something to be ashamed of. This is quite common in Mexico, Central America and places like Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador where the Indigenous population has always been high. This type of thinking has made many Puerto Ricans believe that they are descendants of Taino Indians when in fact, most of the indigenous population of Puerto Rico was wiped out by the time serious colonization of the island began. Yes, Spaniards took Indian women even though it was forbidden by Spanish law back then, but their offspring became absorbed by the waves of immigrants who later colonized the island. More immigrants have settled in Puerto Rico than the number of Taino Indians in Puerto Rico at the time of the discovery. Many Puerto Ricans forget that immigrants from the Canary Islands came by the thousands to Puerto Rico and numerous villages and towns where founded by Canary Islanders (such as Mayagüez, Hatillo, etc..) Of all the Spaniards, Canary Islanders tended to have darker complexions since many where descendants of the Guanches who were the original Berber inhabitants of the islands before being colonized by Spain. The fact that the Spanish spoken in Puerto Rico bears a striking resemblance to the Spanish spoken in the Canary Islands shows how heavy the Canarian influence was on the island. Also, waves of Corsican immigrants settled in Puerto Rico as well as French, Irish, Dutch, Catalonians, Basques, Chinese and Germans and in recent times Cubans, Dominicans and other Spaniards. Most importantly, we cannot forget the African heritage which has made more impact in the culture of Puerto Rico than the Taino culture ever did. If there was ever any significant race mixing in Puerto Rico, it was between European and African, not Indian, and it was done after slavery was abolished. Nowadays, immigrants from Mexico and other parts of South America have come to Puerto Rico in which some do have Indian heritage, but they are a new addition to the population and they typically don't consider themselves as Puerto Ricans.
:: I agree with much and disagree with some of what you've said.  It is true that many immigrants came from other european countries rather than just Spain, many where Irish and Dutch in particular, but many did so as mercenaries and laborers for the Spanish which is why there is much confusion over the issue, since many even adopted Spanish versions of their original names.  My last name is French and my second last name (mother side) is Danish, but my the family tree goes way back to the time of the pirate Cofresi.  So there definitely was a great variety of Europeans coming to Puerto Rico.  But Also I want to point out that a great proportion of these immigrants from the earliest days where male over 80-90% by some studies, and most who stayed around (some immigrants island-hopped through the spanish caribbean looking for better opportunites) took native wifes.  In fact Puerto Rican spanish has many taino words in use which distinguishes its spanish from other spanish speaking caribbean islands, and other parts of Latin America.  I would direct you to the works of Dr. Ricardo Alegria for further information on the linguistic heritage of the taino in Puerto Rican Spanish.  The reason this is important is because most language transfers occur from mother to child, particularly in the areas of domestic usage, which is where most of the Taino influenced is found in the language.  The conclusion arrived al by the greater of concensus of Puerto Rican athropologist who study the issue is that the Taino was assimilated, and largely indoctrinated by the Church, into what we now call Puerto Rican, by around 1600.  The African Heritage in the island is also important, but keep in mind that the island was never a true slave society, unlike Cuba where slaves reached close to 50% of the population at times,  the best evidence shows Puerto Rican slavery around the 10%-15% range, and this is largely due to an already existing wage labor economy on the island, which made slavery less competitive than it otherwise would have been.  And also due to the terrain of the island, which is largely irregular for large sugar plantations like those found in Cuba the Dominican Republic, or even many of the islands of the lesser antiles like Barbados.  African words are also found in the language to a similar extent as Taino words.  In all linguistically speaking, Puerto Ricans are a mixture of African, Taino, and Spanish, ethnically it is obviously much more diverse, but lets not dismiss the taino as one root of Puerto Rican Culture, Identity, or History.Mad05963 10:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race 

message: I agree, there are no differences between Puerto Rican and Puerto Rican people.  If anybody feels there is some difference, it could be explained in a paragraph or two inside the merged article.  mjuarez 20:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is no difference, articles should be merged 

message: I have created the page Talk:Puerto Rican American/Merge for the placement of content removed from other articles for consideration for inclusion in this article. Alan.ca 10:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main article should be called Puerto Rican, not Puerto Rican American... that term is never used, plus there is no Iowa American... Cjrs 79 05:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content collected from other pages for consideration 

message: I found this section particularly incorrect. It is not clear who uses such terms as “lunchiar” which I’ve never heard before. Almorzar is the correct term, at least in Puerto Rican Spanish. I believe no one uses this word in Puerto Rico, so it should be specified if this term is of Puerto Rican-American or “spanglish” origin. Also, “goleta english” is not a dialect. It is a colloquial term to describe when someone does not speak English well. Also, it should only be stated that Spanish in Puerto Rico has many words and phrases coming from English, due to US influence of over one hundred years in the Island. Solcita (talk) 18:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language

message: An article called Puertorrican people has recently been created. I would like reasons for both articles to exist. As I see it both articles could be merged into one article. Since Puerto Rican was created first and is the more common/accepted spelling/pronnunciation I believe that Puertorrican people should be merged into it. Any ideas, thoughts? Joelito 04:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Hi, I would like to recommend it stay its own article.  I found it because I wanted to know the origin of the term Boricua, which is one quarter of my personal heritage (grandfather on mother's side).  Even he didn't know who Puerto Ricans are referred to as Boricuas, and Cubans are only referred to as Cubanos.  Same with Cuban people I have asked - no one knew.  So having this be a separate article helped me to understand the term itself without having to wade through material not directly relevant to my search.  67.49.8.191 23:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep as it

message: To Whom it may concern:  There is no mention of one big PUERTO RICAN : ROBERTO CLEMENTE —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.118.56.146 (talk • contribs) .
The Honorable Clemente has his own page.  He need not have a specific mention in a general discussion about Puerto Rican people.--Samunoz1 19:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Roberto Clemente

message: There is a need to separate the sections relating to Puerto Rico and Puerto Ricans in the United States (outside of Puerto Rico) (or what I call Stateside Puerto Ricans). Those sections relating to Puerto Rico should be incorporated into the article on Puerto Rico. A new article title, Puerto Ricans in the United States (Stateside Puerto Ricans) should be created to include sections on the migration to the US and Puerto Ricans communities in the US.--Prpolicy 18:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorganize

message: The beginning of the 2nd paragraph could be improved.  Please read the following:
In other parts of the Spanish-speaking world, depending on the presence of native indigenous populations that existed prior to European colonization and subsequent introduction of Sub-Saharan West African slave trade and the immigrations from Europe, Puerto Rico's census in 2000, reflects that the population is said to be (81%) of European (Spanish) descent according to U.S. census records.
 
There is no elaboration or clarification of why the sentence starts with "In other parts of the Spanish-speaking world".  We are talking specifically about Puerto Rico here.  The paragraph mentions indigenous populations, European colonization, and slave trade and somehow haphazardly continues onto 2000 US census.  It almost seems like something was accidentally chopped of by another contributor.  I'll most likely edit it if the original contributor does not fix it.--Samunoz1 19:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What? 

message: Please add new articles on other migrations to Puerto Rico. There were Greeks, Italians, Maltese and Portuguese settlers. The articles in need are taken down for not "appearing" in the first place (red links). Let's get it started and include them in the template. I re-edit a few things in the article, but be careful on how "hate groups viewed" Puerto Ricans, not as people is more appropriate and sensitive than "as animals". To type it in is going to pull people's chains or push emotional buttons, so I don't want that in here on an encyclopediac article. The article hasn't stated racism against Puerto Ricans and Latinos as a whole has been on the wane, but the stereotypes depict Puerto Ricans are a problem, like how some view Jews and black people in horribly distorted ways. + 63.3.14.1 08:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expand Puerto Rican migration template 

message: Please, keep the bleeding hearts out of the ethnicity articles.  I grew up with Puerto Ricans in my Middle and High schools in Hartford County, CONN.  I can attest to good and bad sides from interacting with them, the things they have brought to and taken from my state.  The good things you don't have a problem hearing; neither do I.  The fact remains is that they have dilapidated the City of Hartford and environs, a Puerto Rican mayor further proof of the blind eyes to this issue.  Hartford was a safe and clean place, progressive and in the lead.  Hartford is now stagnant and backwards, with vandalism and violence strewn across the streets.  Notice how the culprits are not African-American, nor were they ever?  My grandmother's family founded Hartford, so all we are asking for is respect.  Who are the victims in this instance?  Is this the price to pay for welcoming you into our homes?  Please, get over yourselves!  Les Invisibles 07:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refrain from soapboxing... that is not what we are here for. If you have any reliable and verifiable sources on this regards, please feel free to include them. Otherwise, please keep your opinions for your blog or KKK bulletin board, not wikipedia. Thanks! --Cerejota 03:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV issues (e.g. woe is the immigrant Puerto Rican; discrimination everywhere) 

message: Is there an known rivalry between the two, as I've heard people from both groups saying that they find it particularly offensive to be mistaken for the other group? If so, should this be added into the article? I ask this because on the article of Selena, it's mentioned that when Jennifer Lopez was selected to play the character of Selena, there was a brief controversy because of JLo's Puerto Rican heritage and Selena's Mexican heritage.Jlujan69 21:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexican-Puerto Rican rivalry? 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 16:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: It needs to be included in the article. Puerto Ricans form a nationality, they are not a tribe or a community. This needs to be clarified.--Royptorico 18:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationality

message: Please consider contributing to the article entitled History of Latinos and Hispanics. Thank you! --JuanMuslim  1m 02:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Latinos and Hispanics 

message: Why is it that countries such as Puerto Rico, Cuba, and other former Spanish colonies have 'people', while Canada and the United States, former English colonies, noly have 'demographics'? 12.218.145.112 02:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Us/Canada

message: I think this title should be changed to "Puerto Rican people" or in the "Demographics of Puerto Rico", which is what most countries have. As i think the title puerto rican refers to many other things that are puerto rican...which then has a list of other articles that have a link to all things from Puerto rico..like the American article, Cuban, and English article 86.152.123.87 (talk) 17:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Title should be changed

message:  is at the top of this article. That makes it the only Unassessed article in the WikiPedia Puerto Rico project.  I am reluctant to touch this template, but how does the article become assessed? --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect? 

message: The original Taino name for Puerto Rico was Borikén later on it became Borinquen by the Jibaros the pre Industrialization farm workers in the Island.  ( 2601:58C:C280:7050:458A:D9DA:29D7:1330 (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borinquen vs Borikén