Talk:Darren Hayes

message: Following a spot of vandalism this article was nominated for deletion and speedily kept after the vandalism had been removed. -Mgm|(talk) 10:10, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: AFD note

message: Mention should be made of Darren's Too Close For Comfort performances in the UK.  He will be performing at the Sydney Opera House this month which willed be filmed for DVD.
Darren also recorded a duet with Olivia Newton-John for her (2) album.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.53.251.2 (talk) 00:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Close For Comfort 

message: I am just as excited as everyone else about the news but let's please try to limit the amount of speculative information we include that seems validated by Darren's announcement.  Darren has always been very private and one announcement about his private life is not a green light to go crazy including everything thought to be known about that private life.  Just my two cents Sunhawk 14:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed this again, I'm also going to remove him from the "Gay Musicians" category seen as he hasn't stated whether he is bisexual or gay. I would probably assume bisexual, but if anyone has specific information, please site references and edit as appropriate. Thanks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahdiislam (talk • contribs) 19:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed. Sunhawk 19:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text:  Apparently Darren is both gay and bisexual...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahdiislam (talk • contribs) 08:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah i've noticed that little edit-tussle going on *chuckle* Sunhawk 13:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it possible to be both gay and bisexual.  The former implies exclusive interest in one's own sex, the latter implies there is no such exclusive interest.  Either you swing one way only; or two ways.  You can't do both.  JackofOz 01:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coming Out 

message: By definition Darren must be one or the other. Considering he has married people of both sexes I would say he is bisexual. Yes, he is a private person but the evidence available suggests he is bisexual. Dankru 04:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel this is one of the reasons that Darren went so long without confirming anything more about his sexuality because we, as a social whole, are so quick and keen to label people this way.  I say we make it bisexual since that's the less restrictive of the two labels. Sunhawk 00:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

text: He clearly says he is gay, so it's fair enough. Changed as appropriate - Ashadeofgrey 21:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Just a tid-bit here; Elton John was also married to a woman, and now he's living with David Furnish. What exactly is the orientation of Elton John, then? Besides, why can't people's orientation change with age, with time? Also my comment above from last year was poorly constructed, sorry. Qwerty (talk) 11:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I know this is 3 years later, but I just have to say how incredibly wrong the statement by Qwerty is; in point of fact, the word "homosexual" is considered passe, out of use and a strictly clinical term which has negative connotations simply because it implies that the only facet of sexual orientation is who one has sex with; whereas "gay" is considered, at least in the USA, Europe, Canada, Australia and, to my knowledge, most of the world, to be an all-encompassing, non-offensive term that should be used with the assumption it will not offend. CouplandForever (talk) 19:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay or bisexual - you cannot be both 

message: Why someone decided to (a) add information about his personal life in the trivia section and (b) add information that has already been stated is beyond me and is hence going to be removed. - A Shade of Grey—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahdiislam (talk • contribs) 13:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Did Darren Hayes really study at QUT? I've heard UQ from some sources. They're two separate universities, and I'd like a source for the QUT reference (mainly because I'm there too hahaha). - Mydemand 203.100.24.127 04:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: QUT?

message: Hasn't Darren also performed for the Rosie Christmas album?
Also "What's Going On" Tribute and 'Sol de Mio, Pavaroti & Friends...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.165.241.134 (talk) 06:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added above to article December 20, 2006. SERSeanCrane 21:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guest Appearences

message: Removed: "Many in Europe thought the song "I Want You" was actually sung by the Swedish rock/pop group Roxette for having a similar sounding style." (No citation)—Preceding unsigned comment added by SERSeanCrane (talk • contribs) 20:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't mark edits as minor if material is removed. SERSeanCrane 18:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If an edit is minor, I'm going to mark it as minor.--AshadeofgreyTalk 18:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See usage guidelines for minor edits. Specifically the second bullet of Things to Remember. It reads "Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette, especially if the change involves the deletion of some text." I'm not trying to nit-pick, it just helps make the editing process better. Agreed?—Preceding unsigned comment added by SERSeanCrane (talk • contribs) 19:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's referring to major edits which remove text--AshadeofgreyTalk 19:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "A check to the minor edit box signifies that only superficial differences exist between the current and previous version: typo corrections, formatting and presentational changes, rearranging of text without modifying content, etc. A minor edit is a version that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute." I'm assuming you believe you're removal isn't subject to a dispute. You cite WP:NOTABILITY#Notability_is_generally_permanent, but by this logic one could add to the Lenny Hayes article that Darren is not related to Lenny. If this is the case, wouldn't it be a good idea to have mention to Lenny on Darren's article, perhaps in the See Also section. I'm assuming, in good faith, that the person who added the trivia bullet-point finds that Darren and Lenny are thought to be related in some circles...I'm not terribly familiar with Australian culture, though, so it might be something worth discussing...perhaps disputing. Hmmm... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SERSeanCrane (talk • contribs) 20:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal

message: Should there be a mention of the Unlovable download?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.16.254 (talk) 06:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on how you believe that to be notable, feel free to explain why you think it is worth mentioning. Sunhawk 05:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: More specifically should it be listed as a single. Even though it wasn't a "commercial release," it was released, and a video was made.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.43.191 (talk) 02:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do we have clear documentation that the video is directly linked to the download release? Sunhawk 01:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't find anything directly linking the video to the download release, but SonyBMG did call it a single in their news letter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.28.34 (talk) 22:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I suppose I should clarify and just say that I think it should be added to the list of singles. Not necissarily a write up.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.28.34 (talk) 04:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Unless someone has a good reason to contest this I'll be placing Unlovable in the list of singles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.60.28.34 (talk) 07:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unlovable Download Single? 

message: The MySpace blog reference is from Darren Hayes' official MySpace. See http://www.darrenhayes.com if you'd like to confirm. This qualifies as official "authority," therefore there is no reason to remove the reference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SERSeanCrane (talk • contribs) 20:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Sean Crane.  EL doesn't hold here, but rather RS holds, RS has more weight and further see V which is policy.  The overarching principle is that blogs writen by the subject of the article are perfectly acceptable sources. Wjhonson 06:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not a RS if it's not verifiable: "This blog is set to private. This user must add you as a friend to see his/her blog." ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 21:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MySpace

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message: I don't think "Who would have..." was an official single, although it was one of the tracks that was released with an animated video. As the album article states, the singles so far have been "On the verge...", "Me, Myself and I" and "Casey". --Nerwende (talk) 05:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Singles

message: Use dont noe this but he had 4 children. unfortunately 2 of them did not live and th other 2 are now 16.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.49.190 (talk) 12:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darren Stanely Hayes 

message: The entire section about Hayes' personal relationships seems to be VERY intentionally ambiguous about NOT specifying his is a gay man. This seems likely the result of overly prudish editors with personal issues over the topic. Although I agree most readers would gleam from the way it is written that he is a gay man, using terms like "civil partner" do not IMPLICITLY denote being gay (straight people have civil partnerships all the time). I have added an implicit reference to his sexuality as well as a source. CouplandForever (talk) 19:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He married his boyfriend, it clearly states that. What is ambiguous about this? It's perfectly clear from the article. Canterbury Tail talk 14:46, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Um, yeah, it clearly states that he is in a civil partnership with a man. Stating in another paragraph that he is gay is not necessary at all. Laced Sarcasm (talk) 17:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And we don't state on other biographical articles that the person in question is straight. Canterbury Tail talk 17:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Because people are presumed straight until evidence is given to indicate otherwise. This argument has been debated on WIkipedia in relation to GLBT people of note about a million times, and the administrator consensus has ALWAYS been that stating a public person's sexual preference, when other than heterosexual, is encyclopedic (providing it can be sourced.) When a person comes out of the closet, even in 2009 (and certainly before,) it is notable. There is absolutely NO reason to NOT state it in clear and unconfused terms. CouplandForever (talk) 21:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't get how stating that Darren is in a civil partnership with another man can be anything but clear. There's no reason whatsoever to state that he's "zomg gay!". It's more than clear from the article already. Laced Sarcasm (talk) 21:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you show some references, and this administrator consensus (which seems a strange thing to me that administrator consensus overrides that of normal users) that we should be stating they are gay explicitly rather than it being obvious through the context and rest of the article? Canterbury Tail talk 00:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, we do state it explicitly: he's in 2 LGBT categories.  Cats are as much part of the article as the text is.  --  JackofOz (talk) 00:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly. So it seems redundant to write that he's gay when the categories clearly show that he is and it says that he's in a civil partnership with a man. How much clearer could it be!? Besides, it seems like a really weird place to write the "who is gay" statement, if you really have to state it in such an obvious way. Laced Sarcasm (talk) 00:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus according to WP:BLP#Categories, those should probably be removed as they aren't relevant to their notable activities and public life. He's known as a singer, not as a gay person. Canterbury Tail talk 01:28, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: On wikipedia we really shouldn't be presuming anything. Whether people are gay, bisexual, straight, asexual or whatever is none of our business or concern unless sources say it is. Personally I have no problem mentioning he is gay, if it is well sourced. The trouble is, it isn't. Neither the source you used nor this source  which I found nor the primary source  make it clear if he is gay or bisexual. The fact that he married his boyfriend implies he is one, but without strong evidence which one we shouldn't be presuming similar to the way neither source presumes whether he is gay or bisexual. So we should just follow the sources and say what they say. Indeed the fact that you're mentioning this in the section about him marrying Colby Taylor is even worse since it implies his marriage broke up because he was gay which we don't know. The only thing we should presume is the reader is smart enough to realise if someone marries their boyfriend, they're probably not exclusively heterosexual. Also as with others above, it seems to me 'administrator consensus' is irrelevant. Administrators have no special say in this discussion, they are just ordinary users. They are entitled to protect the article or block users if necessary but otherwise, you should not be giving their words any extra weight then you would any other experience wikipedians with a good understanding of policy Nil Einne (talk) 06:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Found a source which  does indicate he is gay although I'd prefer more sourcing if we're going to mention it. Nil Einne (talk) 06:55, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: The statement "who is gay" in the first sentence is very clunky, and also redundant. Stating that he married his boyfriend seems perfectly adequate. Is there a source for his "usual practice of not talking about his sexual orientation"? It does read a little like we are saying he had something to hide. Kevin (talk) 08:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Rewritten utilizing his first interview after coming out.  -- Banjeboi 14:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that, your version is a lot better. As Kevin mentioned, the 'who is gay' part was rather clunk and rather confusing since it seemed to suggest he knew he was gay at the time he got married, which doesn't seem to be the case (. Nil Einne (talk) 15:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to help, clunky is bad except in shoes and jewelry!  -- Banjeboi 15:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no qualm with a criticism of grammar, and I thank you for making it smoother and better written. However there are always going to be ridiculous people who don't understand why it is relevant to state that a public figure has come out of the closet, and these types of edit wars are going to constantly go on for articles of GLBT celebrities. For the record, though, my orignal source - The Advocate magazine - really was more than sufficient. It's a respected GLBT publication, and the article I linked said without question that Hayes had come out of the closet; the only potential ambiguity there, I suppose, is if he came out as gay or bisexual, but I think the context was fairly clear. Anyhow, I can't imagine anyone who would have the nerve to alter the article as it stands now, so thanks again. CouplandForever (talk) 16:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: These discussion happen all the time. The Advocate source, to me, also seemed fine although it was likely a derivative of another source and we prefer to have the subject self-disclose "I am ____" to end all the nonsense. Happy to help.  -- Banjeboi 16:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now reads much better. Thanks Kevin (talk) 04:21, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ambiguous wording

message: should this be included in darrens studio albums? yes, hes a part of the band, but thats exactly what it is, a seperate band. 122.111.163.199 (talk) 06:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: We Are Smug

message: References in both Darren Hayes and Daniel Jones's personal life refer to growing up in Brisbane City. Both Mabel Park and Shailer Park High Schools are in Logan City (between Brisbane and Gold Coast)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.191.141.85 (talk) 22:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect use of Brisbane City 

message: Substituted at 12:51, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Darren Hayes has revealed that his is a British Citizen on a Facebook post: . I don't know whether that means he has dual Australian-British citizenship or not but should we update to reflect this? --Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 21:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Citzenship 

message: Darren Hayes has joined the Conservatorium of Music High School's Figure Head Programme that con high's very own Head Dean,
  and owner of the company since the death of there former Head Dean who owned the company Dr Malcolm Peterson.
  Dr Peterson left his entire estate to his new head dean and owner now Dr Nina Pickett.
  who started the figure head programme for children with scolarships that can't afford the fee's since head dean Dr pickett
  isn't allowed to bring down due to the catholic education departmen't not backing down in there last meeting.
  
  Dr Pickett decided to start this programme and each celebrity Figure Head's pay school fee's for the children that can't
  afford to pay them so they can forfill there music dream's.
  Darren has become really good friend's with Dr Pickett and has recently signed over his savage a Garden song's to her all writes.
And now is writting her come back to music Album called Black out from a ten year break.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Neenypicko (talk • contribs) 05:26, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darren Hayes Joins Conservatorium High School Sydney's Figure Head's   

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