Talk:Gesamtkunstwerk

message: The phrase "synthesis of the arts" is not a literal translation, it's a dictionary definition. The literal translation is mentioned in the first sentence of this article: "gesamt" (geh-ZAHMT) means "total" and "Kunstwerk" (KOONST-vehrk) means "artwork." Notice that calling "synthesis of the arts" a literal translation contradicts the first sentence. So I've changed the phrasing.Drollison 04:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Synthesis of the Arts" 

message: In the German language Wikipedia, it claims that philosopher Eusebius Trahndorff first used the term in "Ästhetik oder Lehre von der Weltanschauung und Kunst" (1827)  Can anyone confirm this claim?  DutchTreat (talk) 22:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: First Use 

message: I agree with merging the Wagnerian content of Music drama into this article. --Kleinzach 13:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Duly merged. Not much of the material in the Music drama article was usable, but I've inserted a short "potted history" of the genre. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 18:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger

message: It may be interesting to compare the Google hits of the given translations, definitions, and explanations:
synthesis of the arts 	145 000
total work of art     	18 700
total artwork         	8 280
universal artwork     	1 540
comprehensive artwork 	704
all-embracing art form	124
Adam78 (talk) 12:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frequency of translations by Google 

message: What exactly is the "Attic tragedy"? "Tragedy" is linked but there is no explanation of what Attic refers to. freshacconci talktalk 11:50, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded to what should be clearer.--Peter cohen (talk) 13:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Attic tragedy" 

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message: While for several reasons it would be follly for me to to contribute directly on this topic, perhaps I can be helpful to at least one better situated colleague who might do so: I mention a work, very new (at least in light of the several lifespans already documented by our article), to wit, The Quest for the Gesamtkunstwerk and Richard Wagner, by Hilda Meldrum, which  inter alia evokes formal gardens and other genres in the just the first of three formal sections. (Perhaps her syntactic ambiguity is doubly excusable: commas are awkward in short titles, and are thus both rare and odd in the titles of works, and --  just as in (even those) hypothetical cases of the survivors of disasters occurring at national borders-- there presumably has been little confusion about where Der Gesamikunstadvokat got interred.)
: (   I'm moved our colleague's response on the talk page, to remember a classmate who (BTW IRRC) later went on to serve abroad as a U.S. diplomat; in any case, Greg (definitely) spoke  of "Euripides?" and "Eumenides?", and did so not in their contexts as dramatists, but rather as utterances embodying the inquiries made (respectively), by a tailor and a wearer of trousers (one might assume each of at least Greek extraction if not also Hellenic education), in sussing out (respectively) that consumer's desire  for professional services, and the scope of the respective craftsman's willingness to perform said tasks. Ah, the duties that fall to us initiates of Mnemosyne....--Jerzy•t 04:55, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A likely worthy new source 

message: This was taken out, but I think it is a very fun and relevant example that clearly illustrates the concept of Gesamtkunstwerk.
Performer, video producer, "safety fan and bureaucratic wunderkind" Brian David Gilbert of the video game website Polygon cited Gesamtkunstwerk as an inspiration in foundational technique in his rendition of the PokéRAP.
Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 17:19, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Irrelevant' 

message: This doesn't belong in this article. This article describes the *object* or *thing* "Gesamtkunstwerk" — not the hypothetical object of the book cited, which would fit better under the name "Totalkunstwerk" or something better. 
The point is, the book describes conditions where all of reality [or all of life penetrated by 'Stalinism'] is subjugated to a monistic Stalinist aesthetic. In a word, communism is aesthetically hegemonic in all of society.
That has absolutely nothing to do with this concept of a Gesamtkunstwerk in any established or meaningful sense. The information attached to the citation I've marked dubious is worthless. Freyheytlid (talk) 03:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  with regards to the section: Other applications, a paragraph citing a work on Stalinism