Talk:F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin

message: Does anyone know what engine the F.E.A.R. sequel will be using? Will it use the same engine as the original F.E.A.R.? Or some new version of the Jupitor Engine? IGN got a 15 minute video of the sequel, which I cited in the article itself and added, but did not mention anything about the game engine or graphics, which I find very odd. 72.49.194.69 21:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's been disclosed yet, since it's still early. I would imagine it would use a further-enhanced version of the Lithtech engine from Jupiter EX. -Deuxsonic 09:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Engine 

message: Please stop adding Extraction Point. Monolith does not view it as having ever happened. It's in the first magazine article about the game; I don't have it with me right now, but when I get home I'll cite it for you all.
Enfestid (talk) 14:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the citation to the main text.  However, it must be said that a citation from a public forum is not really ideal; it would be better to find an official statement from Monolith, and/or something officially stated in a notable trade Web site, like Gamespot. Xihr (talk) 22:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Never happened seems like an extreme term.  I'd also want to see a solid citation. Xe7al (talk) 13:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, it's certainly true that Monolith does not consider the plot that has taken place in the two expansion packs to be canonical, and so has stated they will just ignore them.  The citation is true; it's just not a particularly notable one.  I'll dig around for a better one. Xihr (talk) 04:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps it would be good to have them on the same page for the character lists, yet make it clear there are two different continuities? Theodorel (talk) 19:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I think the problem with that is that the continuity for the expansion packs isn't much of one; it's a dead end and there isn't much to say except essentially all the main characters are gratuitously killed off, or that the new characters introduced are unceremoniously killed.  (Except for Mapes, who inexplicably survives, but obviously it's just intended for comic effect.) Xihr (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that it really doesn't make a difference because it's a different story basically. You can assume that the past expansions are being ignored because they have no effect on what happens in the next story.  That is unless they throw something in about the Nightcrawlers capturing that DNA sample. That's probably the only thing I can see coming out of the expansions. Xe7al (talk) 01:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Heres a site talking about this issue: http://www.gamepro.com.au/index.php/id;644716573;fp;32768;fpid;1242214376--Lakecityransom (talk) 10:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TimeGate Expansions 

message: It was announced unofficially in the UK PC gamer of this month (jan 08) that Vivendi was working on a sequel to FEAR, called FEAR 2, that they will be unveiling after Project Origin is released. i propose that the FEAR 2 re-direct be removed, because this will almost certainly cause confusion and difficulties when FEAR 2 is officially announced. 3rdTriangle (talk) 17:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: FEAR 2

message: there's a 18 minute video on youtube of a demo that was shown at E3, in 2007. there's alot of content in there, which we could use to update the main page? 3rdTriangle (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: seeing as no-one has objected, i've added the information under a new section 3rdTriangle (talk) 13:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: E3 Demo

message: Anyone know when the release date is? I know their are some trailers for it, meaning it is coming soon (unless it goes they way of GTA 4 and releases the game a year after the trailer comes out) if anyone know anything about this, please post it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Not G. Ivingname (talk • contribs) 04:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's been announced yet. Xihr (talk) 04:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I saw a October 28, 2008 US release date on Amazon.com website. Don't know if it is official, but setting the release date of a game with Project Origin's background so close to Halloween seems more than coincidental... Berserker79 (talk) 17:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Official website says Fall 2008 at the bottom. Dunno how long it's been since it's been updated though. I'm going to change it to Fall 2008. If anyone can show me a different date, please do. Delta (talk) 21:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's old data.  A delay was just announced, pushing it back to Q1 2009.  Xihr  04:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Saw it on IGN right after I changed it. Meant to rv myself....uhm, oops. Delta (talk) 01:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The main page states that it was released earlier this year.  Are those dates meant to be for next year, and it was just a typo, or are those dates made up? 97.118.245.155 (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That was a typo, sorry about that. I meant to put next year. 216.114.214.12 (talk) 00:10, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sweet, thanks for fixing that. 97.118.245.155 (talk) 03:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Release date

message: I just added this part of the article, is it up to Wikipedia standards?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.47.38 (talk) 09:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Refusal of Classification in Australia

message: Has anyone else seen or heard about people getting packages in the mail related to F.E.A.R. 2? Would this be important to add to the article as well? ShippoIsHip (talk) 21:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really see why.  Ads by mail are not abnormal, especially if you have some prior relationship (say, registering a game) with a publisher.  Xihr  21:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, but not Instructional DVDs and Keys to a Storehouse with a Code locked Suitcase! (Watch the new video by Sxephil to see what I mean: http://youtube.com/watch?v=nNv0zY9fPhA ). Also, there's a viral website: http://www.armacham.com/ 83.26.56.156 (talk) 22:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, okay.  But still, attempts to do this are not abnormal either.  There are several (failed) attempts in the past, though it's late and the names of the games (mostly online Web games) aren't coming to me now.  They're just sending them to people their marketing information suggests will be interested, or, as I said, are known fans of the series through registrations.  Indeed, talking on the Internet about exactly what's going on and why and revealing the details is precisely what the goal is.  Xihr  08:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've watched the video and it's really obviously itself an attempt at spreading a viral video.  The people who are "filming" the video are clearly actors.  There's nothing to see here, and at this point it falls fall short of being notable.  Xihr  23:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but this is exactly what they did for The Blair Witch project. They did abnormal marketing techniques to build up hype for the movie. It is mentioned in the Blair Witch article, when can't it be mentioned here? 'Scaper | ŴööđÇüŦŦëř (talk) 23:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it's mentioned there then it's probably inappropriate and should be removed, unless it was 1. the first time that was done for a movie or 2. it is something that in and of itself became notable (say, because it made the obscure movie a huge success).  (Either or both of these may be true in the case of The Blair Witch Project; I honestly wouldn't know offhand.  Obviously Blair Witch was a huge success but it's hardly likely that it was because of their viral advertising campaign; it was word of mouth.)  The first clearly can't be true for F.E.A.R. 2; it may turn out in the fullness of time that most people agree that this avenue of viral marketing is in and of itself notable for the game, but we certainly can't know that now, so giving it special emphasis in the article has undue influence and notability problems.  Xihr  05:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course the guy in the shadow is an actor, but still I personally think this deserves a mention, since apparently it's not being sent to registered users, but more-or-less popular Internet persona's (Phil said that it's "kind of scary that they have his real address"). But that's really just my opinion. If anything, at least the website should be put in the External Links section. (much like ApertureScience.com is linked in Portal (video game)). 83.26.190.245 (talk) 10:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems quite clear to me that they're all actors.  The entire story is completely staged.  I mean, how do you think that material came together to be edited in that movie?  Xihr  03:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  An actor? You're kidding me, right? The dude makes videos on YouTube for a living, almost all of them being completely unscripted and edited in his apartment, why the hell would he be making it all up? He even commented that he hates the fact that some marketing company was using him for publicity for their game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.150.118 (talk) 04:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Marketing Campaign?

message: The demo for FEAR 2 has been released on PC, X-box 360, and Playstation 3. The demo is available on Steam (PC) and the Steam store indicates it will release the full game online though pre-ordering is not available at the moment. --204.112.191.178 (talk) 01:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demo 

message: Under the plot, in the last paragraph there is a sentence that reads: 
Alma approaches Becket, and he is sent into another hallucination, where he fights off apparitions of a maddened Sergeant Keegan while trying to activate the amplifier to destroy Alma, interspersed with images of Alma crying out as if in orgasm.
 The last word i believe to be incorrect. I believe it should read 'pain' instead of 'orgasm'– Elliott(Talk|Cont)  01:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I did play the game, i found the game very entertaining but short lived (it only took me 7 hours to beat it the first time on normal, and 5 hours the second time on hard)  It could be that i was not paying attention. – Elliott(Talk|Cont)  16:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Just played the game for the first time as well, and it's not clear to me that's the implication.  Xihr  08:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just replayed it and in retrospect it is pretty obvious that this is the intended implication.  Xihr  00:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure why you conclude this, since you can't see yourself during the hallucinations anyway.  It is clear from Aristide's comments that her intent is to seal you into the chamber with Alma.  Xihr  00:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I would suggest you watch the ending on Youtube or replay the game. While Becket fights Keegan, flashes show him still tied to the chair in the amplifier, while Alma writhes and moans on top of him. With the killing of Keegan, Alma climaxes (and presumably Becket as well), and Becket is drawn out of the dream world. The door then opens to reveal a heavily pregnant Alma, who places Becket's hand upon her belly- a clear sign that the child is his. AlessaGillespie (talk) 01:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Uh, are you forgetting this is a game with psychics who boil people alive, cloned psychic supersoldiers, ghosts, zombies, demonic monsters, and psychic hallucinations? A metaphorical sexual act between two psychics and a "pregancy" that is only visible on a psychic ghost that may very well be a symbolic hallucination (which is what 90% of Alma's hallucinations are int he first place) aren't that straining of disbelief. Peptuck (talk) 18:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it such a stretch of the imagination to think that Alma may have reanimated a physical body? It's been done in other video games, in movies, in books- FEAR would not be the first to tread the path of a dead psychic creating an animate, living body through her own willpower. AlessaGillespie (talk) 05:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially when you consider that Alma is actually capable of physically altering reality. There's at least once instance of this in Wade Elementary when she makes doors appear and disappear, and apparently teleports becket into another part of school for good measure. Peptuck (talk) 08:06, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this correct? 

message: An IP displaying as 82.39.69.73 did some VAST vandalism to the page by removing the entire "Development" and "Name Your Fear" sections and then adding a new section called "You Suck" (which has been already removed by another user) with zero text on March 3rd. I just copy-pasted those lost info back here from the history. Sorry I couldn't just simply "undo" it since there were several other times of editing done in between. I think from now on we might need to pay more attention to the vandalism and keep checking history out. As a sidenote, there always appear some new broken codes these days too, which caused the format fail to meet wikipedia's standards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovelctr (talk • contribs) 10:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I aggree. Those of us who watch the Recent changes page typically notice when an Article is missing a vast about of data. – Elliott(Talk|Cont)  22:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Vandalism to the Page 

message: It's pretty obvious that a child can be heard saying "Mommy" at the end of the game, but here's a slightly louder version of it found on YouTube, Since I don't have the PC version, I can't pull the exact sound file itself. If it helps, turn the volume all the way up just after Alma places Becket's hand on her stomach. The voice occurs just as the music stops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaZ6tM5L8vQ AlessaGillespie (talk) 23:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mommy

message: Quick edit: it was 4 months since the April 1st announcement.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serverfiles (talk • contribs) 01:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh good grief. Wikipedia is not a 'whine, cry, and moan cause you didn't get what you want' forum. So you didn't get what you want? Get over it! Wikipedia is not for this childish garbage. AlessaGillespie (talk) 07:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Even if this were the remotest bit interesting, it's still original research and is not appropriate unless reliable, third-party sources cover it.  Xihr  22:56, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need a new section for Controversy. 

message: On her official page (not a fan page), she's listed as the voice of Alma in F.E.A.R. 2. The official credits for F.E.A.R. 2 list an Alicia Glidwell. Does this pass notability requirements for listing? http://www.alesiaglidewell.com/bio.php AlessaGillespie (talk) 05:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so.  Are you just addressing the spelling, rather than the factual content?  Certainly Ms. Glidwell knows how to spell her name better than anyone else ... :-)  Xihr  22:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm addressing both. I wanted to make sure it passed notability requirements for posting since the name in the credits was slightly different.AlessaGillespie (talk) 01:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Alesia Glidewell

message: Multiple gaming sites has recently reported on a sequel to F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin apparently revealed by an unknown Spanish gaming magazine under the name of F.3.A.R., no this is not a typo, I have added this information with citations to the main article. KSweeley (talk) 10:10, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a news site.  Early speculation is inappropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia until it becomes definite.  It's not even clear that the main attention to the subject would be in this article, rather than the series itself.  Xihr  10:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sequel

message: I think the system requirements on this page is incorrect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.74.98 (talk) 06:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. It was clearly vandalism.--201.211.99.96 (talk) 01:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  System requirements 

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