Talk:Sylvia Engdahl

message: The omnibus Children of the Star was first published in 2000, not 2008, as shown by the verified ISFDB record. In addition, i have a copy of the 2000 Trade paper edition. 129.42.208.186 (talk) 20:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, per ISFDB published January 2000 and author's Afterword dated 1999. We might say all "republished[reissued] in the 2000s" instead of "21st century". --P64 (talk) 17:36, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Omnibus date

message: Several remarks in prose or annotated listings classify her works by reader age. It isn't clear where, if at all, we rely on what sources; nor what we mean by YA. For example, we say  
* three recent novels "are adult science fiction, not YA". (She emphasizes this, in a middle-school sense. See below.) 
* the three Star novels were in 2000 (see above) "published as adult SF. (Originally the books were issued separately as young adult SF.)" --now, after my revision "published as adult SF (the three books had been issued as young adult SF)"
In what sense were they "young adult SF" in the 1970s? Such a category in publisher catalogs, bookstore layouts, library catalogs? I feel certain that the term "young adult" (if used, or some equivalent) would have covered high school students, not covered pre-teens, and probably implied senior high school. Even today librarians use age 14 to demarcate the scope of major book awards. (My public library layout now uses Teens, which middle school overlaps slightly, and Children's.)
For what it's worth:
* ISFDB tags only Journey (1970) as "young-adult SF"; tags none of the five  Anthropology Service novels "young-adult" or "juvenile". (I don't recall that it uses "children's". It doesn't tag all books.)
* The 1973 Christopher Award for This Star Shall Abide isn't distinguished by category. We don't say, and the official website lists previous winners for the recent 65th to 52nd annual awards only. (I don't check for a history or explanation of its categories.)
* The 1990 Phoenix Award for Enchantress (1970) is for a children's book (including books for middle-school readers if not older).
* Engdahl's homepage now features Defender of the Flame (2013), and the other Flame novels, and focuses attention on classification and reader age. She now calls the third Flame novel Defender first in a new series, apparently because it avoids "controversial medical issues". Yet she warns, "It's not a Young Adult book and is not appropriate for middle-school readers (if you are wondering why, please read the Flame Series FAQ)." And says its appropriate for high school students. 
--P64 (talk) 17:53, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Books for adults, YA, children

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