Talk:Charles Hawtrey (actor, born 1914)

message: This page should be moved to something like Charles Hawtrey (20th century actor), and the page Charles Hawtrey be a disambig, but I'm not sure about those titles. Any ideas? sjorford 13:02, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: How about Charles Hawtrey (Carry On actor? Timrollpickering 07:37, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The pianist Gladys Mills (1918-1978) was NOT the mother of Charles Hawtrey (born 1914)! I've deleted this bizarre entry.--Stevouk 11:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mrs Mills? 

message: I've change the title of the autobiography section to biography - it would only be autobiography if authored by Hawtrey.
Apepper 13:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed autobiography title 

message: It states Sandie Shaw was his 2nd choice behind Hawtrey. How true is that statment, there are photos of Morrissey holding rosary beads to Shaw implying his devotion to her. I've added the  to the article Blu sonic (talk) 07:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is clearly nonsense and I have removed it. MFlet1 (talk) 17:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

text: OK, I stand corrected - have just found this (http://www.newstatesman.com/200110010044).  However I have been reading The Smiths: Songs That Saved Your Life and I'm pretty certain there's no mention of it in there, in fact it says that Morrissey and Marr had been badgering Shaw to record with them for ages before it actually happened.  I wonder where Bradshaw got his information from?  MFlet1 (talk) 09:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morrissey 

message: "Pay for the films was bad and without either Sid James or Kenneth Williams starring in the 1972 Christmas special, Hawtrey believed it was his due to get top billing. However, the producers went with Hattie Jacques, whom they believed was better known on TV. Rogers tried to contact Hawtrey a day before filming began at the place where Hawtrey regularly dined, to ask him to reconsider; but Hawtrey declined. He never worked for the Carry-On again[4]."
Is it supposed to be reference to films or TV? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 14:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This section is confused 

message: I think it's misleading to say there are a lot of websites, fanzines and books dedicated to Hawtrey. I'm only aware of the Private Widdle book exclusively looking at home. Sure there are plenty of carry-on related material but that's not really the same thing. Contaldo80 (talk) 14:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Websites etc 

message: John Lennon introduces the song Two of Us from the 1970 Let It Be album :
"I dig a pygmy by Charles Hawtrey and the Deaf-Aids....Phase One in which Doris gets her oats "
Some think Doris is a reference to McCartney's new wife, Linda . If anyone knows why Charles was mentioned please add.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.219.86 (talk) 16:20, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not. It is completely irrelevant to this article and is merely a passing comment about Charles Hawtrey of negligible significance which does John Lennon no credit. It has already been removed. Philip Cross (talk) 19:04, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

text: If you say so, but Wikipedia is not intended to be a ragbag of trivia. Philip Cross (talk) 13:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Although you may regard this is trivia, others will disagree. I think it's a significant point that deserves to be included. Hawtrey is referenced on one of the best-selling albums of the 20th century by arguably the world's most famous music group (certainly of that period). Why downplay? Contaldo80 (talk) 09:21, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

text: It is a detail from one of the books on the Beatles which go almost as far as listing every time Paul McCartney coughed during a recording session. Such a detail is not of proven notability. Trivia on Wikipedia, which is often concealed by the heading 'Legacy as here, is generally accepted if it can be properly worked into the text, see WP:TRIVIA; this is just an added lump. Anyone interested in the Beatles already has an infinite number of articles to read on the subject, the vast majority of which are entirely legitimately. Let's try to stick to references in other articles which mention the Beatles to things which which really matter. Not everyone interested in Charles Hawtrey will be particularly bothered about the Beatles.Philip Cross (talk) 11:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Having just watched "Passport to Pimlico" I came to this Wikipedia article expecting this very kind of reference to Let It Be, and was surprised to find none...I'm with Contaldo80.95.151.68.166 (talk) 22:21, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Philip Cross was so stubborn on this point that I'm afraid I gave up. Contaldo80 (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

text: No it is not "preposterous" to exclude it. Wikipedia is not a reputable source for itself and a published third-party and reliable source is needed to establish notability. This is necessary for a piece of Beatles studio banter which happened to be released, as much as anything else. A Wikipedia user interested in the Beatles would start from the "Two of Us" (song) article where John Lennon's comment about Charles Hawtrey is included. In terms of Wikipedia policies, its omission is not unusual: Wikipedia is NOTLYRICS. Philip Cross (talk) 17:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully support Philip Cross. In the absence of an explanation of the comment from Lennon, it is just another of Lennon's famously meaningless throwaway lines for comic effect, which might just as well have used any other person's name or even a made-up name. And "Charles Hawtrey and the Deaf-Aids" sounds more than a little derogatory, so I see no justification for including it in Hawtrey's article. Blurryman (talk) 18:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two of Us - The Beatles 

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message: The article seems to imply he was gay but never directly addresses the issue. We should fix that. Was his homosexuality an open secret or was it only officially recognized later in his life? When the Personal Life section of the article says "He guarded his relationships very carefully in an era (lasting until 1967 in England) when male homosexual sex was illegal and punishable by a prison sentence." this implies he was gay without directly addressing the issue as if the article assumes his homosexuality is an open secret to any modern reader of the article which I doubt reader would agree. If it's clear that he was gay or that most people who knew him understood him to be gay then we should be able to state that outright while pointing out that he kept his sex life mostly a closely guarded secret in his lifetime. If he is now widely viewed being gay then we should state that while pointing out he was not open about it during his lifetime, especially when it came to sexual encounters. Notcharliechaplin (talk) 07:56, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this view. Tobyhoward (talk) 08:25, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles Hawtrey's Homosexuality