Talk:Emma Goldman/Archive 1

message: I have edited this page because I don't like how this article introduced Kaunas as "then Kovno", "Russian", etc.  Kaunas is a very old city, which has been called "Kaunas" by the Lithuanians for centuries.  Does it really matter what the Russian occupiers called it?  Surely, the Lithuanians did not use a foreign name to describe their own city.  It's not a Russian city; it's a Lithuanian one, despite Russia's attempts to "Russianize" it. --Andyluciano 01:26, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Lithuania 

message: The title "Haymarket Martyrs" is not entirely POV, although the term's origins obviously stem from the beliefs of the Anarchist movement. It is a historical name for the "executed defendants" of long standing. For example, there was a "Haymarket Martyrs Monument" raised in German Waldheim Cemetery in 1893, later designated a National Historic Monument (cf. Haymarket Riot#Trial, executions and pardons). Mike Dillon 17:37, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't entirely aware of the term's historical significance, but I'm still uncomfortable using it as an unqualified descriptor.  Perhaps we can change it to "wrongly executed defendants"?  Skinwalker 18:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the original text "Haymarket Riot martyrs" is POV, but the title "Haymarket Martyrs" has an independent historical record. I think a link like Haymarket Martyrs would be appropriate. In fact, Haymarket Martyrs itself is an existing redirect. Mike Dillon 18:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think "wrongly executed defendants" is a much more POV term than "martyrs."  The word "wrong' reeks of subjectivity, while the word "martyr," as it is defined in my dictionary, is very aptly and correctly used here.  Carptrash 21:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "Haymarket Martyrs" is well-established as a specific historical title (similar to "Chicago Seven"). As such, both words are typically capitalized. As an example of the term's prevalence, compare the Google hits for "Haymarket Martyrs" (22,100) to the Google hits for "Haymarket defendants" (209). Kaldari 22:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: "Haymarket Martyrs" 

message: Seriously, shouldn't this article make at least passing reference to her quote?  Also, would it be appropriate to include a reference in the "Cultural References" section to "Who's Emma?", a Kensington Market (Toronto) collective/record store that used to be named after her? 24.108.183.161 11:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "If I can't dance. . ." 

message: I found this newsreel clip of her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0WV5T6vHc
Maybe it should be linked somewhere, but I can't see where. The Wednesday Island 12:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film 

message: The section on Emma Goldman's view of political violence is misleading.  Her views were always more complex.  She had a compelling analysis of some examples of political violence after seeing Alexander Berkman's attempt failed in addition to Leon Czolgosz's assassination of McKinley.  She covers this in "The Psychology of Political Violence."  I assume that, Her experiences in Russia helped change her ideas on the use of violence: after the Red Army was used against strikers, Goldman began rejecting violence except in self-defense. is a reference to Kronstadt.  She continued to see violence as a part of revolution even after Russia.  Her critique was against authoritarianism in Russia.  Spain was not just an example of "self-defense."  I'll wait to see if anyone responds before I change the section.--begintheend 10:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goldman on Violence? 

message: I think that a lot of these sections could be expanded. I will start on some of them when I have time. I also think that a new and more accurate mention to "Emma Goldman on Violence" could be useful.--begintheend 1:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding sections 

message: 199.245.18.2 had edited the section on a coffeeshop "Red Emma's" and moved it from
"Emma Goldman in fiction" to a new section "Homages", but Rsm99833 reverted that.
I've restored the updated formulation and corrected url from the anonymous edit, but
I don't know where to put this. The anonymous version was better than the current one,
since this isn't "EG in fiction", but maybe a whole new section is overkill.
Perstar 22:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coffeeshop 

message: This article appears to either use American or Oxford spelling (but definitely not standard British spelling). I'm guessing it's American spelling, but does anyone know for sure? It would be good to add a hidden comment at the top of the article so that future editors are made aware. Kaldari (talk) 22:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's US spelling, but I don't think there's ever been a formal announcement about it. Maybe Lquilter or Scartol can chime in? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've added a comment to the top of the article, so that people will know to keep it consistent. Kaldari (talk) 21:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: Recently, a paragraph of the capitalism section was removed. Perhaps this could be discussed further. Personally, I liked the paragraph as it showed nuance in Goldman's views, as well as her ability to adapt to criticism. Kaldari (talk) 19:10, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Any thoughts on this? Kaldari (talk) 22:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *I liked the paragraph, but I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

text: *I have heard historians such as Barry Pateman reference this moment as having some good deal of importance on her outlook. I think there is value in keeping it, and if possible, some reference on the importance of this event should be expanded upon. --Cast (talk) 04:08, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

text: *I like it if, as User:Cast suggests, there is documentation about its significance on her outlook.  The concern would be that if it's just a statement from her biography, that in picking and choosing we're constructing our own take on her views.  So I'd like something with independent significance that verifies the significance to her thought. --Lquilter (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalism section 

message: While Goldman may be heralded as a pioneer of the anarcha-feminist movement, I'm not sure whether she is properly part of that "school". What do other editors think? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:01, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Anarcha-feminism]] in the infobox 

message: Hey -- a new addition in the "Legacy" section cites a song called Emma Goldman.  I'm not averse to having a paragraph about EG in music, but to avoid UNDUE WEIGHT problems we should rewrite to summarize some of the homages, including the new rock opera (); the opera "Red Emma" by Gary Kulesha and Carol Bolt (); ragtime; and E.G..  Probably a lot of other individual song references too. --Lquilter (talk) 13:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it's undue weight to have a paragraph about a single song. A paragraph about musical tributes to Goldman would be a different matter. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:37, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy 

message: Eduen has added a new section on education. However, this section currently consists almost entirely of quotations. It should be converted to cited prose where possible (assuming that we want to retain a section on education). Kaldari (talk) 07:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education section 

message: We recently had an editor go thru and change almost all of the "US" notes to "U.S."  (diff). Then we had an editor change one back to "US" -- sadly, he didn't do them all. (diff)   Sadly, in the meantime, I un-did SOME of the edits that the first editor had done (s/he had also "corrected" some quotes), so we can't simply rollback/undo if indeed we want to go back to "US".  At any rate, I didn't see anything in the WP:ENGVAR about this matter; what is the policy on it?  And can we pick one and stick with it? --Lquilter (talk) 13:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I didn't realise he'd done a bunch, I only saw the one in the intro. Per WP:RETAIN, there shouldn't be switching between national varieties of English unless the topic has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation, something I believe isn't the case with a Russian anarchist. An argument could be made that as she was American-based, "U.S" would be preferred, but the editor making the change should seek consensus here first, because I think it's entirely unnecessary. — Jon C.ॐ 13:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there's a note at the top that says "this article uses American English", so it's clearly been decided previously that that's the way to go. "U.S." it is, I suppose, but I can't help but feel that Pama73 could be using his/her time more productively. — Jon C.ॐ 13:50, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

text:  I just didn't realize that "US" or "U.S." was an issue for WP:ENGVAR.  You know, I (a US-ian) use both.  If anything I use the non-period version more often. --Lquilter (talk) 16:10, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. I thought "U.S." was used almost universally by you USers. Let's change it back, then. — Jon C.ॐ 08:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let's not make decisions based on my practices -- I may not be standard.  Is the US/U.S. thing somewhere in the MoS and I just couldn't find it? --Lquilter (talk) 10:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOTUSA says either US or U.S. is fine. — Jon C.ॐ 10:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  US v U.S. 

message: In the fourth paragraph of the lead, change "During her life, Goldman was lionized as a free-thinking "rebel woman" by admirers, and derided by critics as an advocate of politically motivated murder and violent revolution" to "...and denounced by critics as an advocate of politically motivated murder and violent revolution." Accusations of murder and violence is not derision.  86.41.46.253 (talk) 22:59, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derided? 

message: A discussion of an Infobox for this bio has been archived. I only wanted to add here that an Infobox can be useful if suitable fields are populated. Someone in the earlier discussion belittled the Infobox because it includes the field "ressting_place." But that field need not be populated at all if we don't think it's important. As the instructions say: "Only use those parameters that convey essential or notable information about the subject."
You can see all the fields available for the generic Infobox Person here. Some are quite odd in this context (e.g., net worth!). Some could be useful to display EG's life and significance in a nutshell. Remember that someone who has no idea who she is might just be looking for a one-glance capsule reference version of her life. Note in particular how fields like "influences" and "influenced" are used in the case of Marx and Rousseau (different template, but same principle). Here are a few fields that might prove interesting: known_for, organization, notable_works, influences, influenced, years_active, party, movement, opponents, criminal_charge, criminal_penalty, criminal_status, spouse, partner.
Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 16:49, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding my removal of the box earlier today, it was out of respect for the article's contributors/consensus. At the time I added it I wasn't aware of the discussion about it, not even that the article was a featured one. Personally I like infoboxes and find them quite useful. jonkerz♠ 17:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Why is there a Religion specified in the infobox when she doesn't have one? 88.108.2.35 (talk) 14:01, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: In the Deportation section, the wikilink redirects to Immigration Act of 1903.  The wikilink should be changed.
were intent on using the Anarchist Exclusion Act of 1918 to deport any non-citizens they could identify as advocates of anarchy or revolution.
were intent on using the Anarchist Exclusion Act of 1918 to deport any non-citizens they could identify as advocates of anarchy or revolution.
* Thanks -- Actually, both versions are slightly incorrect.  The Anarchist Exclusion Act is 1903, and was expanded in 1918; so I rewrote your suggestion to both link to the correct act (thanks) and to be more accurate. --Lquilter (talk) 21:02, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  fix link 

message: "Goldman and Berkman were released during America's Red Scare of 1919–20 when public anxiety about wartime pro-German activities had morphed into an exaggerated fear of Bolshevism."
This is an encyclopedia. The word 'exaggerated' represents a debatable opinion and should be removed or (better) replaced with another word which conveys the magnitude (if accurate) absent the subjectivity: wide-spread; pervasive; wide-ranging, e.g.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.221.166 (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subjectivity alert 

message: Grammatical correction.  In section 2.4 Feminism And Sexuality it reads, "Like many contemporary feminists, she saw abortion as a tragic consequence of social conditions, and birth control as a positive alternative."  This is unclear as written, as it could be misconstrued to mean current contemporary feminists instead of Goldman's own (and first and third wave feminisms are quite different).  This should be corrected to "Like many feminists of her time," as this will be clear and unambiguous.  Thank you.
70.190.93.51 (talk) 10:04, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 6 September 2013 

message: Malik Shabazz has recently deleted an edit I made to the introduction where I referred to Goldman as communist, explaining that "Goldman is not generally regarded as an anarcho-communist" (I had linked the word communist to the anarcho-communism page, btw).  The assertion is somewhat odd, as there is a sidebar on the page itself that states "part of a series on Anarcho-communism".  The anarcho-communism page additionally lists Goldman as one of the ideology's adherents. Goldman's closest intellectual collaborator, Alexander Berkman, wrote an entire book - Now and After: The ABCs of Communist Anarchism - advocating for the philosophy.  One of Goldman's major inspirations, Peter Kropotkin, was the primary theorist of anarcho-communism.  
Anarcho-communism should also be listed in the infobox under schools. There is at least as much reason to list Goldman as an anarcho-communist as to list her as an anarcha-feminist (Goldman was highly skeptical of the feminism of her time, but she advocated for communism publicly and repeatedly).  In one of her most representative essays, "What I Believe", Goldman writes:
::Anarchism...differs from all other theories inasmuch as it points out that man's development, his physical well-being, his latent qualities and innate disposition alone must determine the character and conditions of his work. Similarly will one's physical and mental appreciations and his soul cravings decide how much he shall consume. To make this a reality will, I believe, be possible only in a society based on voluntary co-operation of productive groups, communities and societies loosely federated together, eventually developing into a free communism, actuated by a solidarity of interests. There can be no freedom in the large sense of the word, no harmonious development, so long as mercenary and commercial considerations play an important part in the determination of personal conduct.
::
In 1935, near the end of her life, Goldman wrote an essay - "There is No Communism in Russia" - where she said that she rejected the Soviet Union not because it was communist, but because it was not communist.
In case people are not aware, there is a fairly active anarcho-capitalist movement in the US.  One of its propaganda goals is to present anarcho-capitalism as the most legitimate, if not sole legitimate, form of anarchism.  They have insinuated on various occasions that Goldman's ultimate rejection of Leninism was a rejection of all communism.  There are also instances of socialists and liberals trying to suppress Goldman's strong communist principles from history.  I think it is important that this article set the record straight.  Furthermore, it was one of Goldman's significant contributions to history to be one of the first communists to acknowledge the truth about the Soviets.  I would like to restore my edit.GPRamirez5 (talk) 23:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As I wrote on my Talk page, I goofed with respect to anarcho-communism, but I think a simpler statement is better in the lead—which was the main point of my edit. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree that GPRamirez's version of the sentence is rather wordy for the lead. I prefer the more succinct version here. The details should be saved for the body of the article. Kaldari (talk) 06:22, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anarcho-communism 

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Feedback from editors of this article would be greatly appreciated.   Please come join us as we brainstorm, polish, and present this proposal to the Wikipedia Community.  --HectorMoffet (talk) 12:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Invitation to help craft a proposal

message: I made a small edit in the article and tried to reference it. Lacking a PhD in Wikipedia-Footnotology, I couldn't accomplish it, getting this error message:
Cite error: The opening >ref> tag is malformed or has a bad name (see the help page). Goldman, Emma. Living My Life. 1931. New York: Dover Publications Inc., 1970. . Cite error: The opening >ref> tag is malformed or has a bad name (see the help page).
(I turned a sign into its opposite, ie >, because the changed sign had the effect of cutting my visualized post at that point, while > doesn't cause that.)
The help page was unhelpful, and I was left helpless with my reference problem.
I suppressed the reference and invited anybody with the proper PhD (nothing less is needed, currently, to insert a footnote!) to read this Talk. This being a Wiki, I hope somebody will correct what I couldn't do properly, by providing the reference and erasing my invitation to the talk. Pan Brerus (talk) 08:01, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, we don't put such detailed information in the lead. It would be better to elaborate on this in the My Disillusionment in Russia article I think. Kaldari (talk) 12:11, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Footnote

message: compare: 
:: original, reverted back to 
:: Emma Goldman (, 1869May 14, 1940) was an anarchist known for her political activism, writing, and speeches. She played a pivotal role in the development of anarchist political philosophy in North America and Europe in the first half of the 20th century.
:: edited, reverted back from 
:: Emma Goldman (, 1869May 14, 1940) was a Lithuanian-born American writer, philosopher, and activist. She is an anarchist known for her political activism, writing, and speeches. She played a pivotal role in the development of anarchist political philosophy in North America and Europe in the first half of the 20th century.
I just reverted a recent edit inserting information about Goldman's birthplace (Kosovo) & national identity (American), along with a little more summary about "writer, philosopher, activist".  It wasn't inaccurate (except for the verb tense typo), so this is a judgment call.  The extra content seemed redundant & captured by the more prominent "anarchist", with the following sentence.  The birthplace & national identity were more substantive judgments: Goldman's birthplace might be summed up in any number of ways, and region is not necessarily the best choice.  As to her nationality ("American"), it's true, but also a bit fraught given the last two decades of her life; and her identity is frankly international.  Any other thoughts? (I'm sure this has been discussed before, so please feel free to link to those discussions.) --Lquilter (talk) 12:18, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  nationalit(ies) in lede 

message: Practically the whole introduction has no citations. Please add some! --The Dracommunist (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:CITELEAD. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations? 

message: Hi.  I found the editing procedure bewildering, so my apologies in advance. 
My intent in changing these passages is that as written, they very seriously mischaracterize Goldman's views and statements about the Bolshevik Revolution.  None of the changes I am suggesting, I think, should be very controversial to anyone familiar with her writings.  Emma Goldman never authored a book entitled "My Disillusionment with Russia".  She wrote a manuscript entitled "My Two Years In Russia". The US publisher published only part of the original manuscript and gave it the title "My Disillusionment with Russia" (without informing Goldman).     
In particular, all of my proposed changes are consistent with the discussion in her PREFACE (Revised) To Second Volume of American Edition  which included the missing chapters in a "second volume".  The publishers entitled this second volume as "My Further Disillusionment in Russia" which in a sense had the American publisher "doubling down" on their original error.  The English version of the book apparently had the correct title and included all the chapters in a single "volume". 
John1despair (talk) 21:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think your suggested passage is a bit too detailed. This article is meant to be a brief overview of Goldman's life, so we need to keep it concise. I would lose the first paragraph and try to condense the second paragraph further. Kaldari (talk) 14:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are suggesting a quotation "the Marxian theory as a cold, mechanistic, enslaving formula" without any source whatsoever.You are also using value-laden phrases "watched in revulsion", "hijacked", "undemocratic machinations" "Adding insult to injury" etc. which are not encyclopedic language, and unless they are sourced from a reliable source are not NPOV. - Arjayay (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2014 

message: In the section on adolescence it reads:
Another teacher tried to molest his female students and was fired when Goldman fought back.
How do you "try" to molest?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.109.203 (talk) 03:33, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  strange sentence 

message: If something is in quotations it probably should have an unbiased source who heard it.  Since the source of the quote is her own autobiography, it is likely not an actual word-for-word quote, as the 3rd-person article suggests.
Goldman begged her father to allow her to return to school, but instead he threw her French book into the fire and shouted: "Girls do not have to learn much! All a Jewish daughter needs to know is how to prepare gefilte fish, cut noodles fine, and give the man plenty of children."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.109.203 (talk) 04:04, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her father's quote 

message: It feels like a lot of this article is either plagiarizing or summarizing her autobiography (a somewhat biased source), as opposed to being an unbiased encyclopedia
Take the following anecdote for instance:  
Once on the street, she caught the eye of a man who took her into a saloon, bought her a beer, gave her ten dollars, informed her she did not have "the knack", and told her to quit the business. She was "too astounded for speech".
The reference for this episode is her autobiography  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.109.203 (talk) 04:21, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autobiographical information being presented as factual/historical 

message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion|Request for Comments]] 

message: Hi, I'm translating this well-written article to Vietnamese but there are some information I find quite contradictory. In the head section, there is a statement that "Goldman never became an American citizen".
But in the section 'Deportation', it is said that "her American citizenship invalidated any attempt to deport her under the Anarchist Exclusion Act, which could be enforced only against non-citizens of the US" and a DOL official cited "the revocation of her husband's American citizenship in 1908 had revoked hers as well". These sentences obviously suggested that she had an American citizenship, at least officially when she was marriaged. Can anyone kindly tell me what is the truth here? Michel Djerzinski (talk) 15:53, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, interesting question. The US government's official position is here - she was never a citizen, because her husband had obtained his citizenship fraudulently. She disagreed (per the NYT articles - footnotes 110 and 111). I removed the statement from the lead paragraph; the section on "deportation" is not perfectly clear, but is at least accurate as best as I can tell. —Luis (talk) 18:14, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.Michel Djerzinski (talk) 03:15, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  American citizenship  

message: Please add that she said prostitution was caused by capitalism here: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/goldman/works/1910/traffic-women.htm Thank you. Pepper9798 (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Prostitution

message: I just spotted another inconsistent info. In this article, Berkman is said to die one day after she came to his deathbed (Drinnon). In the article of Berkman, his suicide attempt, her arrival and his death happened in one day only (Wexler). I have neither of these books and cannot confirm which is true. Can anyone help? Michel Djerzinski (talk) 15:56, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Berkman article is right. He shot himself in the early morning and died late at night, the same day (June 28). See Goldman's account of "Alexander Berkman's Last Days", or historian Paul Avrich's last book, completed by his daughter and available on Google Books. 63.116.31.198 (talk) 22:56, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, and added the Wexler reference. Kaldari (talk) 02:31, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Death of Alexander Berkman

message: The article states her year of death as 1940, but her gravestone says she died in 1939. I'm assuming the gravestone is correct, so the article needs to be corrected. 96.19.64.122 (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done:  According to the article, the gravestone is not correct.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:11, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2016 

message: Serbian city of Novi Sad has the street named after Emma Goldman.
Scabzine (talk) 09:17, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: WP:NOTNEWS. Unless reliable sources widely discuss this fact, it's not something that should be included. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:00, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2016 

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message: The place of her living together with Sasha, Freyda, and Helen was on 42nd Street in New York City, as mentioned in Chapter 4 of her autobiography.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1280:2069:BD8D:537:B17A:4D0 (talk) 19:27, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You are absolutely right. They lived in midtown and moved to Worcester, Mass. Incredibly, that bit of vandalism was slipped into the article in March 2008 and nobody has noticed it until today. Thank you very much. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:19, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: In this edit, Victorgrigas added to the article that Goldman's family lived in Vilijampolė. He cited this source. Aside from the fact that it may not be a reliable source, I don't see how it supports the assertion that Goldman's family lived in Vilijampolė. The only thing it says about Goldman is that she was from Kovno.
It says that historically, Jews had an easier time living in Vilijampolė than in Kovno proper, but it also says:
:After the failed Polish rebellion in 1831, the Russian administration improved its treatment of the Jewish residents in Lithuania. Nothing was changed in the books, but they allowed the Jews to settle in all parts of the city ...
:On one occasion, the Russian czar crossed Kovno and was shocked to find it in such neglected condition. The explanation offered for this neglect by the governor of the region was that the cause of this was the limitation of the rights of the Jews to buy real estate. The Czar wanted to receive detailed information about the issue and in 1846, he received detailed documents, which contained an appendix asking him to cancel all the restrictions imposed upon the Jews. ... Upon reading the recommendation of the minister of the region and the general governor, the Czar cancelled in 1858 all the limitations placed upon the Jews of Vilna. In reality, all of these limitations were cancelled in 1864.
So by the time Emma Goldman's sisters were born (Helena in 1860 and Lena in 1862), there were no legal restrictions on where in Kovno Jews could live, and de facto, Jews had been free to live in the city itself for a generation.
Can one conclude, then, whether the Jewish Goldman family lived in Kovno or in Vilijampolė? I don't think we can using this source. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say feel free to remove the claim I added into the article, it's weak. In the meantime, does anyone want to help me find any sources that might better specify where exactly she was from? Kovno/Kaunas is a big enough city to have different neighborhoods/areas and the government of these areas in the 19th century could be of interest to anyone reading her biography? Victor Grigas (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody in Lithuania may have searched old city directories, but as far as I know that information hasn't been published (or if it has been, it isn't widely known). The latest significant biography of Goldman, Sasha and Emma: The Anarchist Odyssey of Alexander Berkman and Emma Goldman (2012) by Paul Avrich and Karen Avrich, merely says that she was born in Kovno, moved to Popelan as a child, to Konigsberg in 1876, and to St. Petersburg in 1881. Goldman's autobiography, Living My Life, is rich in details about her life in New York City and later but vague about where she lived in Europe, perhaps because she moved so much and came to the U.S. when she was 16. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goldman's family lived in [[Vilijampolė]]? 

message: Not sure why :Category:American women writers and :Category:Lithuanian writers were removed. Could you explain? Kaldari (talk) 18:30, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is now in the categories  and . --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:43, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, makes sense! Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 20:54, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Any time! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category removals 

message: Hello. I edited a photo caption on this page, removing some unsourced puff, but it I was reverted. Here's a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emma_Goldman&curid=9764&diff=858571097&oldid=858570712. Please comment. Thanks so much. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:03, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You deleted a portion of the caption—that Goldman's image, "often accompanying a popular paraphrase of her ideas—"If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution"—has been reproduced on countless walls, garments, stickers, and posters as an icon of freedom"—allegedly because it had no source. I reverted you, and my edit summary was pretty clear: "Look at the article text". The paragraph beside the image says:  — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:46, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  No source for picture caption 

message: I removed some mother categories that lower-level categories would feed into. This list seems like category overkill.Parkwells (talk) 15:04, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Category overkill

message: Is it worth mentioning Goldman’s nationality in the lede? I propose adding “Lithuanian-born American”. Goldman was born in Lithuania and then moved to America.--EsotericJoe (talk) 02:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lithuanian-born American 

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message: The image of Emma Goldman on the right, and the accompanying caption, used to be in the "Legacy" section of the article. It was replaced by an image of a t-shirt which has since been removed from the article. Would somebody please restore the old image and caption? Thank you. They call me the Big Pill (talk) 09:07, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason it was deleted was probably because there’s no reference for the quote or commercial/ political use of the image, plus it’s not the best picture of her. Raquel Baranow (talk) 21:57, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I see the references in the text and replaced the picture. Raquel Baranow (talk) 22:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. They call me the Big Pill (talk) 08:17, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please restore an image 

message: Has anyone reviewed the "External links" section to see if any can be incorporated into the article? Sometimes things can just creep in and eleven links starts looking like a cultivated WP:LINKFARM. Otr500 (talk) 10:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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message: This is awfully biased in favor of the subject. Could use a little more discussion of her reasoning in the attempted murder of Frick. Also, some mention of comtemporary critiques, such as her role in inspiring G.K. Chesterton to write his sweeping and fantastical attack on Anarchy ‘The Man Who Was Thursday’. 2A00:23C3:E284:900:481D:79C2:96B1:B4C (talk) 02:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: To describe a man who rapes a woman as a "persistent suitor" is to trivialize what is a violent crime. "Suitor" implies that he had her consent and this is clearly not the case. The statement needs editing, which is an understatement.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.13.32 (talk) 16:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for noting this and suggesting an edit. I replaced the term with just "man", which seems all that is needed by the sentence. In the future you can perform such corrections directly yourself, if you want. Nemo 17:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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