Talk:Ben Kingsley

message: Isn't it incorrect for him to be called "Sir" when he's just a Commander of the British Empire, as opposed to a Knight Commander or Knight Grand Cross, one of which he has to be to a knight and be called "Sir"? VolatileChemical 04:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope.  He was awarded a CBE in 2000.   Then in 2001 he was made a knight bachelor (see the last para, about Sir Paul McCartney and Sir Anthony Hopkins).   Knight bachelor carries no postnominal letters of its own, but the person is entitled to "Sir".   Thus, Sir Ben Kingsley CBE.  JackofOz 06:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another section about his knighthood 

message: So Kingsley is in this video, as Ian MacKaye, for Mean Magazine. I don't know much more about it, but should it get an include here?
McFlynnTHM (talk) 13:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sir Ben Kinglsey as Ian MacKaye? 

message: I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember Ben Kingsley as a "sidekick" (school teacher) to Arnold Schwarzenegger in "The Runninig Man" which came out in 1987.JeepAssembler (talk) 20:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it wasn't Kingsley. The two "convicts" who were running with Schwarzenegger were played by Yaphet Kotto and Marvin J. McIntyre. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running Man? 

message: On November 23, 2010, I noticed that Ben Kingsley's credit for his protrayal of the character Avatar from the 1989 film "Slipstream" by Steven Lisberger is missing. Xin Jing (talk) 21:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Slipstream (1989) Credit 

message: My knowledge of the Devangari script is fairly basic, but the spelling of Krishna seems innacurate to me. It looks to me as if  કૃષ્ણા  says Kushgi, not Krishna. Like I said, knowledge is fairly basic, but it would be useful if a more able reader could check and edit this. Ironman1503 23:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gujarati spelling of Krishna 

message: I have two issues with that section as it currently stands. Firstly, it states that his maternal grandmother's maiden name was Goodman, yet one of the citations claims that Kingsley's mother was born out of wedlock to a father who may have been called Goodman. Since Kingsley's maternal grandparents never married, for the initial statement to be true it would mean that both of them were born as Goodman, which I find highly improbable. As there is no citation claiming her maiden name as Goodman, I think it's safe to say that it is an error and should be removed.
My second objection concerns the allegation that Kingsley's grandfather may have been Jewish. This is unreliable conjecture, not fact, regardless of who said it, and therefore not particularly relevant to an encyclopaedic bio. I feel it would better serve the article to put it in trivia section, or else remove it entirely.
As requested by User:MarnetteD, I have moved our discussion here from his/her talk page, with the aim of gaining WP:CONSENSUS.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.0.36 (talk) 23:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the "early life" section 

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message: We're having more confusion about his titles and postnominals.  It seems to be a losing battle, but I'll try once more.
Firstly, he was appointed a Commander of the Order of the British Empire.  This entitled him to the postnominals CBE.  There are two higher grades within the Order: Knight Commander (KBE) and Knight Grand Cross (GBE), but Kingsley has not been appointed to either of them.  He may be one day, but not yet.
Next, he was made a Knight Bachelor.  This entitles the recipient to the title Sir, and that's all.  There are no postnominals associated with the award of Knight Bachelor.  Any postnominals that come from other awards are retained (such as VC, OM, CH, MBE, OBE, CBE, CMG, LVO, CB, CC, AC, DFC, MM, DSO, ...).
It is NOT THE CASE that a person with a CBE who is later made a Knight Bachelor is automatically now a KBE.  To put it another way:  CBE + Knight Bachelor =/= KBE.  
After all, Knight Bachelor is a type of knighthood that is not associated with any order of chivalry, so how could it possibly have any effect on a person's membership of such an order?  It can't.  
So, his current style is: Sir Ben Kingsley CBE.  The Sir is from being a Knight Bachelor, and the CBE is from being a Commander of the Order of the British Empire.
Any questions?  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, he's never been appointed CBE either. No idea who came up with that idea. The only state honour he's ever received is his knighthood. Confusion may have arisen as somebody added KBE to his name, assuming (as many do) that he must have a KBE to be a knight, and somebody else, realising he was a knight bachelor, downgraded this to CBE. As to the year 2000 for its award that someone added, I have no idea where that came from. Kingsley's Who's Who entry does not list a CBE and it is not listed in his knighthood citation in the London Gazette. In fact, it doesn't appear to be listed in any London Gazette! -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems CBE was inserted by an anon IP on 27 November 2006, and has been there ever since.  That account's other edits around that time seem good, so I can only AGF and assume they believed it was the case and were not intending to do any damage.  Still, in the 8 years since, I'm stunned that nobody (including myself) ever challenged this claim.  Until now. I wonder how many mirror sites now attribute a CBE to him, thanks to good ol' Wikipedia.  :)  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:52, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I know. I was a bit taken aback too! I think many people assume there's some sort of system (as there is in some countries) whereby you have to have a lower honour before you get a higher one, so a knight must also first have a CBE. Many do, more don't. -- Necrothesp (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Check. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Queen probably read his article and thought, "ahh I already gave him a knighthood" and the poor guy hasn't been given a knighthood since :( .. Wikipedia, it destroys lives...and knighthoods.. :P ..--Stemoc 23:52, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There was still a reference in the text to him being a Commander of the Order of the British Empire, so I've removed it. Ripero (talk) 05:31, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  He is not and has never been a KBE 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It is true that inside Wikipedia, history is being manipulated and rewritten to suit the policy of certain vested interests.
QUOTE: Kingsley's father, born in Kenya, was of Gujarati ancestry. END OF QUOTE
A few years back, it had been mentioned that his father was of ' Ismaili Muslim Khoja descent'. What is the reason that there is such a sudden change in the history. BBC is not a dependable source for anything. It is run in many parts by certain misfits from South Asia, who have a habit of writing history in any way it suits them. See this also  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.97.62.61 (talk) 02:26, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake history?  

message: The Early Career section says he assumed the stage name Ben Kingsley when he was acting on stage in Volpone in 1977. I'm not an expert on his early performances, but he was definitely credited as "Ben Kingsley" in his first film, Fear is the Key, back in 1972. Muzilon (talk) 08:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year he adopted stage name? 

message: The article uses innumerable examples of the construction "Kingsley would ...": "Kingsley would begin ...", "Kingsley would continue ...", "Kingsley would play ...", "Kingsley would star in ...", "Kingsley would be nominated for ...", "Kingsley would portray ...", "Kingsley would receive ...", "Kingsley would win ...", "Kingsley would go on to ...", instead of the more direct "Kingsley began", "Kingsley continued", "Kingsley played", etc. In my opinion, the article would be improved by the wholesale replacement of the former with the latter, with perhaps one or two exceptions, but rather than impose my own preference for directness and economy, I thought I'd raise the matter here first. What say you all? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 15:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingsley would ... 

message: this movie not listed here?  Jules (film)173.33.191.183 (talk) 17:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Jules"