Talk:Pete Carroll

message: Since the official NCAA records show that USC and Pete Carroll vacated 14 wins form 2004 to 2006, the official records on Wikipedia should show what the official records of the NCAA are. If you want to put a symbol next to the official records that indicates at the bottom of the page what the records were before the NCAA sanctions, fine. But the first number shown should be the official number.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LSUsoccerbum (talk • contribs) 05:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to record records after sanctions 

message: The way Carrol's head coaching record at USC is represented for the vacated wins is super confusing right now.  It has
2004: 
Total: 11-2 (13-0)
Pac10: 7-1 (8-0)
2005: 
Total: 13-0 (12-1)
Pac10: 8-0 (8-0)
This makes no sense to me.  In 2004, the 2 vacated wins don't become losses.
And in 2005, everything was vacated!  Where does 13-0 come from?
I'm changing it to the following and making a note of what the parenthetical means:
2004: 
Total: 11-0 (13-0)
Pac10: 7-0 (8-0)
2005: 
Total: 0-0 (12-1)
Pac10: 0-0 (8-0)
If you can explain why the old system makes sense, feel free the revert and clarify.
Jairuscobb (talk) 23:30, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  W/L Record for Vacated Wins 

message: Here is a good article that the editors of this article can use: http://www.lamag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=14D5B253DB1D499F9AD38F459D8E926A&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=FBED63DFDC694D699DA4EAF13E24562D .↔NMajdan•talk 15:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it went online yesterday --I've got it on my bookmark tool bar for future use (behind a few other).  --Bobak 17:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source article 

message: I've added a note to the intro regarding USC losing to unranked Pac 10 teams over the past four years, and the subsequent reaction to Carroll's coaching decisions in the LA Press (with 5 references) to give a bit of balance here.  This article, in my view, needs work to become more NPOV. Jusdafax 08:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I respectfully disagree.  You can go back to the reports after ever single USC loss (once or twice a year) and still find the burst of criticism immediately following the game.  The same thing dogs any coach after a loss, especially in marquee programs where the NFL isn't as present.  Similarly, we don't see sections dogging Jim Tressel and Bob Stoops for their occasional losses, because their otherwise excellent coaches.  Losing one or two games a season is hardly notable as a negative, in fact its quite the opposite --he's the winningest active coach.  Now, with all of that said, those kinds articles have worked a lot better in articles that cover a limited time like a season --please see the 2007 USC Trojans football team as a Featured Article example. --Bobak (talk) 00:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

text: The fact I graduated from USC did nothing to harm the fact that I personally brought the 2007 USC article to FA status or Mark Sanchez to GA, so please drop that worthless argument.  In fact, it makes you look like you're looking for an easy way out.  I made the comparison to Stoops and Tressel because they are other coaches of similar caliber, also active, who have been subject to the occasional barrage of "what went wrong?" articles when their teams lose the occasional game (I assume you're well read on college football).  I read the LA Times sports section everyday, I don't need someone who clearly doesn't to pretend that there's a trend of "savage" attacks coming from the columnists to regularly cover all their games and, just last week, were writing songs of glory, etc.  They're columnists, they have to help sell newspapers, etc; these shifts come with the coverage.  Whenever one of them uncovers an interesting fact, it gets included.  I don't see any problem with Plaschke/etc because they always do this and then revert back within a matter of weeks --and that's the rub, there's no lasting value in the short term stories.  If we're talking about someone who's career is behind them like Woody Hayes or John McKay, then we have the ability to assess the total career.  Right now we've got an article about someone who's considered by all major sources to be one of the best living coaches in his sport.  Fortunately or unfortunately, he hasn't done any horrible things to include here. When we're talking about articles that deal with the short term ramifications of an upset loss (which is any USC loss in the past several years), then it makes sense to work on the season article, where items of short term relevance are useful.  This article is already closer to GA status that you apparently realize. --Bobak (talk) 04:52, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Losing to unranked Pac 10 teams 

message: Pete Carroll is does not have the highest FBS winning % of a coach who has been at a program for 5 years. That would belong to Urban Meyer.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.95.90 (talk) 03:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Fact 

message: Technically Carroll is still coach at USC, he hasn't made any announcments and neither have the seahawks organization about his coaching job, there have only been unidentified sources  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.154.23.63 (talk) 18:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: fixed. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:30, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While it looks like Carroll will be hired, neither the Seahawks themselves nor Carroll has officially confirmed it. In addition, the Seahawks still have to interview somebody else to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but it's more of a formality/maybe you'll come along in some other capacity kind of thing at this stage. John Clayton made a good point; if it really really wasn't true, Carroll would be putting this out with a fire extinguisher, not just water. That's not a case for it's addition to the article, I'm just saying. Leonnatus (talk) 20:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, even NFL.com calls it a done deal right now. This is all but officially announced. --bender235 (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now, the Seahawks are interviewing Leslie Frazier, and the interview has been going on for the past four hours. Don't know how "done" this deal is right now. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, we don't know where NFL.com is getting their news from, since the Seahawks and USC spokesmen have not been saying anything. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seahawks 

message: This should probably be changed, but I'm not sure what to replace it with. Can anyone come up with something? -- MichiganCharms (talk) 09:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Live in Rolling Hills, California" 

message: Is there a suitable category for Carroll such as "People Who Got Out Just in Time" and/or "People Who Caused a Disaster But Left Before Things Blew Up"? Timothy Horrigan (talk) 21:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Suggestions? 

message: I notice there are Wikipedia articles for "[Trojans football under Larry Smith]" and "USC Trojans football under Ted Tollner." Those coaches, quite frankly, weren't as important to the program as Pete Carroll (Smith, for example, only won one bowl game). Should Carroll get his own article? Or should those other two be somehow merged into the general USC Trojans football article? QuarterbackSneak (talk) 01:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Those pages are actually just several seasons that are not notable by themselves grouped together by coach. Most of Pete Carroll's teams have individual articles, because they are notable. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

text: It's not that the other coaches got their own articles, it's just that their careers were so insignificant that none of their individual seasons received any articles alone. The point I'm getting at is, the article that says "USC Trojans football under Ted Tollner" is an article, not based on Tollner's tenure alone, but of a group of several seasons put together. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What Eagles247 is saying correct.  The strategy formalized by WikiProject College football with season articles is either to create an article for individual seasons (perhaps of high note) or to create article that cover many seasons (perhaps of lesser note) bucketed either by decade, a coach's tenure, or some other serviceable period of time.  In practice what has happened is that individual articles of have been created for just about every DI FCS program for the last 4-5 or seasons, and many historical seasons covering teams that won a national title or had a Heisman Trophy winner, plus a slew of other seasons that don't seem to have been selected for any particular reason other than maybe the whim of particular editor.  On top of that, many of the more significant programs have been covered in full historically either with the tenure/decade bucket strategy or with individuals articles.  In late 2009, I created scores of articles so that every season of Michigan football going back to the program's inception in 1879 is covered with an individual articles, many of which of still in stub form, but some of which have been significantly expanded.  I've never been a big fan of the bucketed articles because they can get unwieldy with expansion, work against the ideal of a nice, neat parallelism between the programs, and evidently promote the counter-intuition regarding notability that we are encountering here.  Since we already have articles for each of the nine seasons that Carroll coached at USC, we don't need a "USC Trojans football under Pete Carroll" article.  Any need to convey a summation of his tenure ought to be incorporated at Pete Carroll or at USC Trojans football.  If anyone wants to break up articles such as USC Trojans football under Ted Tollner into individual season articles, I would support that effort. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:37, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Jweiss, when I brought this article up at WT:CFB, I was actually referring to the edit war regarding the revocation of USC's championship in 2004 (see article history). Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for USC under Pete Carroll? 

message: Try as I might, I cannot find any specific reference that states with certainty that USC was forced to vacate their PAC-10 title for 2005. Although it stands to reason that they should have, since they were forced to vacate all victories and the BCS title as well, every source that I have consutled still lists USC as the 2005 PAC-10 champs. Can anyone clarify this? And if USC was NOT forced to vacate the 2005 conference title, then shouldn't that season be highlighted in yellow in Pete Carroll's coaching summary?151.213.40.224 (talk) 21:49, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  No conference title in 2005? 

message: ...is the coach of the Northwestern Wildcats, not Northwestern Vandals.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.178.148 (talk) 23:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pat Fitzgerald 

message: No mention of this?
 
Thismightbezach (talk) 21:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You know I hate 9/11 truthers, with a passion, every single thing they say can and has been proven wrong. Lets not get into a debate here about it but it is well documented that Carroll is a 9/11 truther, so I personally don't have a problem adding this flaw to his profile. There are enough sources about it.Zdawg1029 (talk) 17:11, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  9/11 Truther 

message: I'm seeing an error in the display of the Teams coached section.
It's looking like the USC section 2001-2009 is empty and the USC is listed against the last bullet: 2010-current (which should only be Seattle Seahawks).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.52.31 (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teams as a Coach / Administrator section in right box display is not correct 

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message: In the Infobox, his USC years are listed as 2001-2009, but the heading over the USC section reads 2000-2009. He was hired on December 15, 2000; is there a standard for how wikipedia considers years of football coaching tenure?  Intuitively, it would seem that we would list the years when someone coaches a team during the regular season.Bro rick (talk) 15:04, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we Get Consistency in Years as Coach at USC? 

message: I believe we should also consider adding his achievements in the made up art of scorigami as invented by Jon Bois 84.150.106.83 (talk) 00:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scorigami