Talk:Spira (Final Fantasy)/Archive 1

message: I note from the picture pages, that the system doesn't like the fairuse tag put on the pictures used in this article - could PiccoloNamek find a tighter tag as requested on the picture pages? Brookie: A collector of little round things 08:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The best we can do would be Fairuse - In Spira. You're welcome to help change them, if you'd like.PiccoloNamek 10:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we maybe get a source/sources on some of those images then? -- Rmrfstar 22:05, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture Licence tags

message: I have been wondering lately, this article, the Zanarkand Article, and the Bevelle article, all have basically the same information. (That is, the story of Yevon and the creation of Sin) and not a whole like to differentiate themselves from one another. The games just don't give you enough specific information on each city to warrant separate articles on them. I think we should redirect them here, and move any worthy content into this article. What say you?
:I think that's a good idea. Probably everything that needs to be said about Spira and its various places can be said in this one article. Everyking 16:39, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zanarkand/Bevelle articles 

message: Every time I open the Spira article page for the first time since last using the Internet, the line "See also: List of Final Fantasy locations" is cut off. Is this happening to everyone, or is it just me? -JarlaxleArtemis 00:16, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor loading error 

message: I've discussed this with CUAL and posted the following on the Final Fantasy project page, but out of courtesy I'm posting it here too: 
* The inbound links to |Spira (redirect page) (see list of links  here ) should be re-pointed to Spira (Final Fantasy)... I'm responsible for the article move and I can do some of 'em, but not being a FF expert I might create or not see mistakes in the process.Spir 09:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inbound Links 

message: I think I'm onto something here. If we could just get rid of this problem:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/PiccoloNamek/Doh.gif
It would be perfect. Can anyone help with the formatting?PiccoloNamek 06:39, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
*I don't see the problem. Can you elaborate more? — CuaHL 09:13, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Pictures layout 

message: :Image:Sin2.jpg
Exactly how is this POV? It is the truth, therefore, it cannot possibly be POV. There is also a difference between an article about Hitler and an article about the history of a fictional video game universe. There is a certain "style" I've been trying to maintain within this article, and "destructive force" just sounds, to put it crudely, very gay. I chose the words I did to elicit certain emotions and images. When I think of "force" I think of things like the force of gravity, or electromagnetism; things with no real physical presense, things that are not to be feared or seen. When I think of "terrible beast" I imagine something massive and horrible, both in appearance and in deed. A lot of people have edited on this article (including administrators) and nobody has seen fit to remove that line. It should stay. It's not like the line reads "Terrible, horrible, hideous, unspeakably evil beast". No, just, "terrible beast". A small amount of artistic license to make the article more enjoyable to our readers.
Tell me, what better describes this picture? Terrible beast, or destructive force?PiccoloNamek 00:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Destructive Force" was coined for lack of better alternative. It was the best thing I could come up with. Of course my editing style of WP is much much different than yours, and I seem to be an NPOV freak when it comes to articles. IMO the word "terrible" can't be more of a Negative Point of View. Maybe the term "Fearsome Beast" would fit better. After all, Sin plagued Spira with fear. When I hear the word "terrible beast", I think "Really really really really bad beast." I'll test out "fearsome beast" and see how it sticks. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 04:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose live with that. Maybe. I still think terrible sounds better. I looked up "terrible" in Webster's Dictionary, and the very first definition was:
"1 a : exciting extreme alarm or intense fear : TERRIFYING b : formidable in nature : AWESOME"
Which is exactly what I was going for. When I say "terrible" I don't necessarily just mean "terribly evil" or "terribly huge" or whatever, but also Sin's terrible, overriding presence, it's immense power, the sheer greatness of him. When you stand before Sin, you are indeed afraid, but you are also in awe, and, as much as you hate him, you have to also respect him, in a sense. I don't think any other word will work in quite the same way as "terrible". 
I also want to apologize if I sounded angry or unreasonable. I'm rarely angry, just overly blunt.PiccoloNamek 04:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible Beast? 

message: I was browsing my other home on the internet, Gamingforce.com, and I came across a post entitled "Wikipedia: Good or Bad?" Regardless of what the answer is, I found this gem inside:
"On the other hand, it's neat to look up stuff that you didn't know and probably won't find widespread anywhere else. I can mainly recall the explanation of Final Fantasy X's story, which I would never have pieced from the game, even after beating it."
That's us! We should all pat ourselves on the back. :)PiccoloNamek 07:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article has served its purpose 

message: I don't think the Via Purifico is notable enough to warrent an entry here:
1. It isn't even marked on the map like most of the others are.
2. The player is only in there for a very short period of time.
3. You can't ever return there once you leave.
4. No significant story events happen there.
If nobody objects, I'm going to remove it, or at least significantly trim it. It's simply too non-notable. The small entry within the Bevelle section was fine.PiccoloNamek 12:40, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I complete agree with its removal; it's pointless to create a section.  I just merged it to get that tag off. Deckiller 19:54, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Via Purifico 

message: ===Tidus===
Tidus isn't mentioned in the main narrative at all. I read through it wondering what Tidus's situation was. My situation is unique however in that I played through a portion of the game and then I got robbed and practically my entire game and DVD collection got taken or damaged. Also, a clarification of Zanarkand's "dream" status would be helpful. Jecht isn't mentioned here at all either. Hackwrench 17:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Narrative 

message: Tidus isn't mentioned in the main narrative at all. I read through it wondering what Tidus's situation was. My situation is unique however in that I played through a portion of the game and then I got robbed and practically my entire game and DVD collection got taken or damaged. Also, a clarification of Zanarkand's "dream" status would be helpful. Jecht isn't mentioned here at all either. Hackwrench 17:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tidus

message: The FFX game shows that this "habit" of Al Bhed to kidnap summoners is very recent. At the begining of FFX Rikku and brother are diving for machina, NOT stealing fayth stones.. Only after Yuna becomes a summoner that you see them kidnapping her. It makes a lot of sense that it is a recent thing. If the Al Bhed went around hiding fayth stones and kidnapping summoners, they would have kidnapped Braska, would they not ? And Bevelle would certainly arrest some  Al Bhed, would they not ?
Bottom line, no one really knows who stole Yojimbo's fayth stone - or even if it was stolen. Maybe the cave is a trial like the rest of the temple trials. So I added the clarifier that Yuna's team believes that the stone was stolen by the AL Bhed, which may not necessarily be the case. An equally probable theory would be that rebel monk Omega did it. As FFX-2 shows, Spira has a lot of mysterious episodes in it's past. Renmiri 21:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: On Al Bhed stealing the Fayth

message: After the discussion over at the Final Fantasy X Talk Page, I've now merged Pyreflies with the Spira page. The original Pyreflies page can now be found on the Final Fantasy Wiki's Pyreflies page. 
Anyone not satisfied with this? Ryu Kaze 08:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pyreflies has now been merged with Mythology of Final Fantasy X. Ryu Kaze 20:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pyreflies 

message: (Please direct discussion of this matter to the Final Fantasy X Talk Page) Ryu Kaze 08:46, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding Blitzball here would just make the article too big. I think the Blitzball article is fine where it is.  ⇒  JarlaxleArtemis 05:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's been agreed upon already, actually, but thanks for the feedback. Blitzball is staying, as is the Soundtrack page. The other mergers have either already taken place or the specifics of the process are still being discussed. Refer to the Final Fantasy X Talk Page for more on that, or to see where things are currently, head over to the newly created Mythology of Final Fantasy X page. Ryu Kaze 14:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FFX Wiki Cleanup

message: There's a statement in the introductory paragraph of this article that states "the name "Spira" was based on the highly prevalent concepts within Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 concerning cycles and repetition...." This sounds perfectly reasonable, but there's no citation to verify that this was the reasoning of the game's developers. Without some proof, it's speculation, and it doesn't belong here. Does anyone have a citation for it? – Seancdaug 21:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been wondering about this myself. As far as I know, "Spira" refers only to the Spiral of death that is mentioned in the game.PiccoloNamek 22:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Issue resolved. Ryu Kaze 17:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: On the etymology of "Spira"