Talk:Gujarati people

message: Most Gujaratis from higher caste percieve traditions, customs and life style from their own caste as that of Gujaratis at large.  Unfortuntly this higher caste represent Gujarat among non-Gujaratis and hence there are many missconceptions about Gujaratis. The majority of Gujaratis are vegetarian, however only a minority consume meat in Gujarat. This is due to spread of Jainism in Gujarat. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dcpatel (talk • contribs) 18:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Patidars (or at least a part of them) do eat meat and fish. BernardM 19:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can agree, however most Lohana Kshatriyas and other castes are veg. --92.8.202.26 (talk) 20:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Majority of Gujarati enjoy veg food 

message: After reading this article, I have no clue who Gujaratis are. I am left more confused than before.
The changes made to the origins were well deserved. It feels as if the Gujaratis dropped out of thin air.
In comparison, the article for Marathas has some more detailed information. Eventually, the origin must be elaborated. It is serving no purpose.
Also, shouldn't there be some reference to the tribes, the clans, the rulers, etc. of Gujarat?
Manasl 12:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very poor information on the origin 

message: The entire section on the Origins of Gujaratis need to be redone. The following para which is currently present is blatantly POV.
"Some scholars hold that "Gujar" or "Gujjar" is the Indic term for Khazar. Khazars (or "Gujjars") are reputed to have invaded historic north western India (the former Indus Valley region) — what is now Gujarat and Punjab (in northwestern India and Pakistan). This region was the first to host Aryan-speaking peoples, and their descendants remain in the area. Other scholars connect the name etymologically to "Gurjiya", the Persian name for Georgia, asserting that they were a Georgian contingent affiliated with the Hephthalites who invaded India and settled in Gujarat by 600 CE. Gujarati language has been adopted by communities such as the Parsis who have made the Gujarat region of the Indian subcontinent their home."
Here are the issues with the above para :
1. Starts with "Some scholars ..." - issues : Which scholars? What kind of Scholars?
2. Attributing Khazars as Gurjars - issues : Blatant attempt on re-writing history!
3. Other scholars connect the name etymologically to "Gurjiya" then lead to the Persian name for Georgia - hinting that the Gujaratis are Georgians. - issues : Which scholars again? Further is etymology is an art and not a science! So it cannot be cited as definitive!!!! Third another blatant attempt on re-writing history... 
As a Gujarati myself, I take offense that my own history is being re-written! I protest it !!! As such I am removing the content for the origins.
USER:abhijna
there is definetly something wrong with this section. references would be nice...i dont want to delete the information, but it does seem quite iffy! Pirus 03:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Origins 

message: Gujarat State in India, is a relatively newer creation compared with Gujarati language, or Identity of Gujarat as a region. Chirags 18:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gujarati  People and Location 

message: Gujarati did origiate with undivided India or rather Indian Subcontinent. To claim them as part of India only would not be right. Chirags 22:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gujarati people and India 

message: -Someone needs to get some pictures of famous Gujaratis to put on the box like they did with the Punjabis, Persians and Pathans. There are tons of guys out there: Gandhi, Sardar Patel, even Jinnah.
-User: Afghan Historian
:: I have added a picture
::: Original picture was unsourced. Put up a new image, with source information and caption. --Yenemus 12:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 17:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: Why are Gujarati's related to the Haplorrhini/snub nosed monkey?
Is this right?  Maybe something to do with mythology? Or is it vandalism?
V. interested. msp4realmf 16:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was most likely vandalism. Has since been removed. --Yenemus 19:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gujaratis are Haplorrhini, but so are all other humans (and haplorrhini aren't an ethnic group so its irrelevant anyway) Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 06:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why [[Haplorrhini]]

message: The header table on population of Gujarati's is simply incorrect, and should be corrected from reliable sources, or meantime, removed.  Where do those numbers come from - come on editors, no citation, delete!.
It is inconceivable that there are more Gujaratis in Tanzania and Uganda than Kenya, and that the substantial populations in USA (similar magnitude to UK), Australia, Canada are not listed. The numbers given for Uganda are so clearly wrong one wonders how they were dreamt up - for example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Indians_in_Uganda_in_1972 to see that the total of ALL Indians expelled then was 50,000 and presumably numbers was zero after that (yes, there has been some measure of return, but 250,000?)
The 300,000 number for UK Gujeratis seems to be perhaps a factor of 3 too low - even a casual check for data supports this: Gujarati is the fourth most spoken language in London schools (cf http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/multilingual/gujarati.shtml) and about 400,000 speak only Gujarati according to the health survey, (cf http://www.cilt.org.uk/faqs/langspoken.htm), which also notes that 55% list English as their main language; given Gujeratis speak English more often than other Indian communities, that indicates around 900,000 is not unreasonable minimum.
The point is not to simply boost the reported number of Gujarati speakers, but to highlight that the numbers shown (and onwards quoted across the web as being from 'Wikipedia') are simply wrong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.195.215.122 (talk) 23:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population distribution - misleading/incorrect/unsourced

message: Isn't he Pashtun? Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 06:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, he was born and raised in Gujarat and speaks Gujarati. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was born and raised in Australia and that doesn't make me an aboriginal. 121.222.62.91 (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, the above was me. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 00:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Does make you an Australian. :) I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 01:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, but it doesn't have anything to do with my ethnicity (I am not an ethnic Australian - since there are none - the closest thing are the aborigines, which I assume this article on Gujaratis is about. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 01:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

text: And Germans and Italians aren't ethnic groups? Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 10:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: When did Irfan Pathan become Gujurati?

message: Neutrality dispute
"This paragraph seems to be a personal opinion of the writer and NOT worthy of being included in an encyclopedia. The writer has provided a reference - however the reference (at least whatever is available on the internet) does not mention anything that the writer has mentioned here. If the writer is not able to provide conclusive evidence of this, this paragraph should be removed."
This was written by "Goldeneye977." I removed it from the actual article page, and placed it here, in the "Discussion" section. This is where it belongs. Gregjackson112 (talk) 07:17, 23 August 2010
::Please see the reference I have provided link for doubting Thomases. Thanks Gregjackson112 for putting it under discussion page.--Indian Chronicles  (talk) 11:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention in history 

message: To the user "Flobot" cease inserting "Gujaratis are descended from Gujjar People" and "In terms of ancestry, Gujaratis are descended from Gujjar People" in various sections of the article. Your edits are completely out of place and the sentence structure that you have used is rather juvenile. Furthermore, there is no backing to your claim about the "Gujjar People"; you have not made any citations. Your claims about the Gujjars being the ancestors of modern day Gujarati's are dubious to say the least. Such insertions put a question mark on the articles validity, and as such, I have removed them. Do not undo my edits again, and do not edit the article with the same hogwash!
You have not responded to my message, and have deleted it from your talk page. I have tried to reason with you, but you know what you are doing here. Be prepared to face the consequences of your actions. Gregjackson112 (talk) 22:44, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with user Gregjackson112. Check out the Gujjar page. There is very little similarities between Gujjars and Gujaratis. The claim that Gujaratis are descended from Gujjar People is a fringe theory per WP:FRINGE and is probably based on phonetically sounding similar words.--Indian Chronicles  (talk) 04:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop editing the "Gujarati People" article with unsubstantiated text! 

message: I believe the neutrality of the article is seriously questionable, and the author(s)'s biases are prominent in many places. E.g., "Its equally high frequency as well as diversity in Gujarat favors a scenario whereby U7 has been introduced by the coastal Gujarat to the uncultured areas of Iran." in the Genetics section. Another statement from the same sections goes, "It is to be noted that very sophisticated civilisations were existing in Gujarat before it touched the shores of Iran. Dwarkapuri, the recently excavated capital city of Krishna is a primary example." The reference cited to support this statement (read: Reference link) is in an academic paper studying the mtDNA of Indian/Iranian samples to understand populating of Eurasia. This paper is in no way indicative of any of the two statements, especially of the claims of an uncultured Iran.
Another statement from the Mention in history section, "...and opined that Gujaratis were deprived of their kingdom by Muslims because of their kind heartedness." claims something that is once again not entirely supported by the reference (read: Reference). Also, it seems the section's sole purpose is this statement.
In general, this article needs a cleanup AND better referencing for sure. --Tt801 (talk) 22:39, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: I'm asking a question concering another article, Murabba, because I hope the experts would see it here. In that article, the following statements are made:
: "Murraba is also made in present day Georgia, but it is made of strawberries and cherries and local fruits. When the Gurjs travelled to India, they adapted the recipe to use the local mango, which became a traditional favorite of the Gujaratis over the years. ..."
As far as I understand, there is no firm evidence that Gujaratis stem from Georgia, and hence the 2nd sentence must be deleted. Could anyone kindly comment on that? --Off-shell (talk) 22:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murabba 

message: I removed this section from History of Gujarat because it clearly does not belong there. I am not sure where it belongs in this article and therefore I have put it here so that this matter can be discussed for the appropriate place for the material.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahir Clan 

message: What is this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.121.118 (talk) 20:09, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahir Clan 

message: It is surprising that there is nothing on Gujaratis in Africa considering that the most well known Gujarati, Mahatma Gandhi,  began his career, political and otherwise in South Africa serving and fighting for the rights of Indian people there of whom most were from Gujarat.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:41, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gujarati diaspora in Africa 

message: Joshua Project is not a reliable source, so please cease adding it here, or on any other Wikipedia article. Thanks - LouisAragon (talk) 21:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Joshua Project 

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message: Should Gujarati refugees in Africa be mentioned?
Why are famous American/British Gujaratis not mentioned? 
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replies: text: Re: your question about the American/British Gujaratis, notable American Gujaratis are mentioned. Search for "Famous Gujarati Americans". The Notable people section seems to be ordered by occupation rather than nationality. So it's possible that there are both American and British Gujaratis in that section, only readers have no clear way of identifying their nationalities. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:44, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions Related to Article 

message: Farrokh Bulsara ("Freddie Mercury") was a zanzibari singer nationalized british who was son of a family of parsi gujarati diaspora in the actual Tanzania.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.130.76.152 (talk) 20:12, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: Hi, I have changed the politicians section to a table and added description for each of them based on their WP pages. I am a little short on time and can't go on for all the remaining politicians. I have completed for Indian politicians. I'll work on completing it sometime.. but if someone can continue on it, that would be great. Need to extend the table and add years. Amazingcaptain (talk) 13:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed the politicians section to a table 

message: I have no specific knowledge of this subject and just came to this page to find out what Gujarati music was, but I find the text, "Gujaratis are prominent entrepreneurs and industrialists..." to be poorly worded, in addition to being undocumented, apart from a list of "business people". As stated, this represents that ALL Gujarati are prominent entrepreneurs and industrialists. Rsngfrce (talk) 09:19, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's unsourced, and could be misleading. Unless anyone disagrees, I or someone else can remove it. White227b (talk) 05:03, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea its kinda a stereotype that Gujaratis are business minded people. Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's sourced it could perhaps go in the main body of the article? But a "steroetype" doesn't belong in the lead, especially one that isn't mentioned in the rest of the article. White227b (talk) 04:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prominent entrepreneurs and industrialists? 

message: This is weird and embarrassing as a regular ethnic gujarati, no other Indian ethnic group wikipedia article seems to do this. Why not put up some prominent gujarati people instead or even  just a map 142.198.113.229 (talk) 22:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  1931 colonial 'caste' census chart as the main picture ? 

message: "Gujaratis have earned a reputation as being India's greatest merchants, their direct role in slavery and slave trading in East Africa is skillfully occluded in most writing that commemorated the Gujarati mercantile elite,[failed verification] industrialists and business entrepreneurs and have therefore been at forefront of migrations all over the world, particularly to regions that were part of the British Empire such as Fiji, Hong Kong, Malaya, East Africa and South Africa."
The slavery part is biased and potentially dog whistling, given that almost every civilization has slavery and it is not something specific to Gujarati people  Factpineapple (talk) 14:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the unsourced statement. Originally added here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gujarati_people&diff=prev&oldid=1078151507 Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I got >1000 hits of academic papers  on Google scholar with keywords "slave trade" and "Gujarati merchants". Yes, Eurpoean, Arabs, and other blacks have been involved in slave trade too and it is well documented. That being the case, I don't think involvement of Gujarati merchants in this enterprise should  be swept under the rug? Equally if one thinks of Parsis as part of wider Gujarati community, then their involvement in the drug trade during early  British rule should not be ignored either.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavery part