Talk:Old fashioned (cocktail)

message: This is all unencylopedic as hell, but the link provided goes into such vast detail as to the importance of soda water not being added, that I didn't want to link to the wikibooks recipe which suggested adding soda water.  I suggest reading the linked article if you have any interest in this, it traces the drink back for centuries.  --Xyzzyplugh 15:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Soda water!

message: WP:ENGVAR says that if an article starts out wiht US or UK terminology, it should not be changed , unless the subject has a clear tie to one country or the other (like the American Civil War or William Shakespeare, for example). This article started out with ounces, and it should remain thus. I have added the ml equivalents. Thesite used as a reference was   for how many ml to a dash or a jigger. Edison (talk) 01:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP:ENGVAR, as you refer to, "Strong national ties to a topic" have to be considered.  Since this drink was invented in the U.S., that resolves the issues as far as I'm concerned. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 22:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:ENGVAR]]

message: Both Merriam-Webster's Dictionary and the American Heritage Dictionary list the word as "old-fashioned" rather than "Old Fashioned." It is neither capitalized nor separated into two words. 24.6.179.152 (talk) 08:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted in the article, it's an IBA Official Cocktail, and the IBA calls it an "OLD FASHIONED". That may not help with the capitalization question, but it does say something about the dash.  Also please note that the WP:DASH style guide says that a dash is used to create a compound modifier (a compound adjective or compound adverb), but not a compound noun. Here I believe "Old Fashioned" is a noun. As for the capitalization, I think that "Old fashioned" appears too much like an adjective rather than a proper name. This page is about a specific named drink, so I think the capitalization is appropriate. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Google, and other various popular websites put it as 'Old fashioned'. However, as a year 6 English class will tell you, names with more than 1 word (e.g. North Carolina) do have capital letters on both. I don't have an opinion on this topic. FeelmywrathH (talk) 04:36, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move: "Old Fashioned" → "Old-fashioned" 

message: What the hell measurement is a "cl."? :| I couldn't find it on Wikipedia. An Old Fashioned calls for "4 cl." . --24.21.148.155 (talk) 02:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps more intuitively than converting to grams (which depends on the density of the fluid), 1 cl is 10 ml, so a 50 ml miniature (airline-size) drink bottle is 5 cl (and some of them are labeled that way). There's a photo of such a bottle at :File:Jack daniels 5cl.jpg —BarrelProof (talk) 20:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "cl." ??? 

message: The Drinkboy cited article is very dated & superseded by newer publications and research that contradict Hess' speculation that curacao "may have been added to increase the orange flavor". Cited speculation is still just speculation and alcohol, sugar, bitters and water with Curacao was is noted in several publications as The "Plain Cocktail" contemporaneously. 157.166.167.129 (talk) 22:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recipe 

message: :You would need a reliable source the specifically says "The drink is named after the racing horse" otherwise it is simply a Wikipedia editor making up conclusions from connecting some dots, which is not allowed. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: NOTE: This user is blocked. ^ -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 23:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Named after fashion the horse 

message: C'mon, that picture has got to go.  While (as the article points out) it is possible to have a "gin Old Fashioned", 99.99999% of Old Fashioned are dark in color.  Unschool 01:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.Unschool 01:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the history, it appears that the picture I've placed in there was already in use for years, and that the picture I took out had only been there for a few months. A few others have also been used, but only the one I took out showed a clear drink. Unschool 02:05, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture there now looks as if there's an eyeball in the glass. Yuck! Forgot to sign. WHPratt (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad picture 

message: I blank-and-redirected the American Trilogy Cocktail to this page and moved the relevant information over.  Jip Orlando (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Trilogy 

message: The article says the drink was invented "in honor of Colonel James E. Pepper", citing a 1935 work by Albert Stevens Crockett, The Old Waldorf-Astoria Bar Book. Personally, I doubt that is true. I suspect that Pepper helped popularize the drink but had no role in its invention. Also, Pepper was a well-known self-promoter, so if the story came from what he said in the bar at the Waldorf-Astoria, it may stretch the truth. I do not have a copy of that book. Does someone else have a copy? Are there any independent reliable sources that confirm this claim? —BarrelProof (talk) 03:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Lairds have zero to do with it. Also the Old Fashioned was called that before the Pendennis Club existed. I will correct the article later. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Let's please try to stick to the topic here. This Talk page is about how to improve the content of the Old Fashioned article. Let's please focus on helping each other find reliable sources of information about the drink and understanding what they say. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:20, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honoring James E. Pepper? 

message: In this article, we have
while in Old fashioned glass, we have
Clearly, something is wrong. I don't know which is right, so I will remove both, and I'll add a section to the latter article's talk page linking to this section. Blippy1998 (talk) 06:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see that as a contradiction. The glass came first, but it wasn't called an old fashioned glass until after the cocktail. GA-RT-22 (talk) 14:33, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Old fashioned glass" name