Talk:Henry Garnet

message: Several miracles attributed to Fr. Henry Garnet propelled his legacy and sustained English Catholicism much to the annoyance of the Elizabethan authorities, proving the quote attributed to African American civil rights activist Medgar Evers (1925 – 1963): “You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea.” As well as the piece of blood-stained corn hay used as flooring on the execution platform that developed a likeness of Garnet's face, there was Garnet’s head and a book believed to be bound in his skin. Garnet’s head was placed atop a pole near London Bridge and shocked people by remaining lifelike and refusing to rot. A book containing accounts of speeches and evidence from the trials was made by Robert Barker, the king's printer, months after Garnet's execution: "A True and Perfect Relation of the Whole Proceedings Against the Late Most Barbarous Traitors, Garnet a Jesuit and His Confederates". Barker’s “Relation of . . Garnet” measures about 6 inches by 4 inches and is bound in human skin believed to be that of Garnet. This macabre artefact came up for auction in London in 2007 where it went to an unnamed private collector for 5,400 pounds (€8,000/$11,000). It was common for the skins of executed leading criminals to be used to cover books about their lives, a process called anthropodermic binding. That a book bound in human skin is unsettling is added to by a ghostly image on the front possibly of the executed Jesuit priest. 
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0706792.htm
This link has news coverage of the auction
http://philobiblos.blogspot.com/2007/11/garnet-book-images.html
This link has photos showing the early 17th book where the grisly phenomenon is visible. You can be the judge of what it is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.208.188 (talk) 20:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've been writing a new version of this article in my userspace.  It still needs a fair bit of work but it's approaching the point now where I think it's worthy of copying here.  All critiques welcome, if nobody objects I plan to copy it across in the next day or two. Parrot of Doom 14:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is probably good enough to copy across now, so if nobody has any objections I'll do this tomorrow.  It still needs work but its good enough I think. Parrot of Doom 00:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Stuff not included in the new version (not through lack of agreement I might add) copied below. Parrot of Doom 12:49, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  new version 

message: I'd like to bring up a few things on the new version, in some sort of controlled order. There is probably more to say about Garnet and Robert Southwell, as in Anne M. Sweeney's 2006 book Robert Southwell. Easier to do that, which relates to Garnet's early career, when I've had a look at the article on Southwell. There are also things to say about Garnet's reputation and the allegiance oath controversy, but I intend to add something about how that went in the article. So these can be parked just for the moment.
I created Wisbech Stirs. Garnet didn't have a major role there. My comment would be that it is true that John Mush calmed things down in October of the relevant year 1595, after Garnet hadn't really been effective in sorting it out in February. But it's a bit tricky to say that the Wisbech business was over at that point, (a) because it flared up again (and no one is quite sure why), and (b) the Flanders and English College in Rome squabbles were all part of the same unrest. This really needs some defensive wording, because for the period 1595-8 there is no reputable (not involving OR) formulation of the conflicts. Thomas Graves Law said it was all "Jesuits versus secular priests" but I sense that is a Victorian explanation, not so acceptable now. So I would perhaps limit the commentary.
When it comes to the Bye Plot, Garnet's role is more interesting. I'll try to reference below the assertion that what he did was to contact his Vatican superior. He didn't restrain Gerard, it seems clear. But of the two priests, George Blackwell needs a mention here. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken this as far as I'm able, so feel free to change whatever you like.  The old version just looked shoddy compared to the other Gunpowder Plot related articles. Parrot of Doom 22:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues with the history

message: In the article Society of Jesus, it says that Garnet was executed for "misprison of treason".
In this article, Henry Garnet, it says that Garnet was "guilty of treason".
In the article Misprison of treason, it implies that misprison of treason was a "non-capital felony" in England after "1554-1555".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.217.231 (talk) 11:59, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency 

message: There is a book supposedly made from Garnets skin (see Anthropodermic bibliopegy) that has been sold at auction twice and was extensively covered by reputable outlets. I think this is definitely notable enough to be added to the death section
BBC, BBC, Guardian, Archdiocese of Baltimore
--jonas (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anthropodermic bibliopegy