Talk:Mario Party 8/Archive 1

message: what? NONE of that has been confirmed. The game has't even been mentioned yet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.34.92.196 (talk • contribs) .
Why is there a talk page if the game hasn't been confirmed? --Brandon Dilbeck 03:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mario Party 8 has NOW been confirmed by Nintendo. Search this article to find the name. Thus, the game exists, and so should the page even if it is a stub for the time being. Double Dash (Talk to me!) 20:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

message: IIRC, the screen and video came from that Nintendo event. Isn't that official enough? Oh, and why delete all the confirmed characters, but leave Hammer Bro.? Hardcore gamer 48 10:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This character confirmation stuff... 

message: Head onto the German MP8 Site and this statement was made, and I quote [in German]:
"Einige meinen, anhand des Bildes für die Charakterauswahl (Screenshot #14) erkennen zu können, dass dort die bislang geheimen ?-Charaktere auf schwarzem Hintergrund leichte Schattierungen aufweisen. Und anhand dieser Schattierungen soll einer dieser ?-Charaktere in etwa die Maße oder die Form haben, wie Mario (auch die Umrisse der Mütze seien zu erkennen). Daher glauben einige, dass es sich dabei um Mario Morgana, Baby Mario oder vll. auch Baby Luigi handeln könnte."
Using a translator, this became, in English...
"Some mean, to be able to recognize on the basis the picture for the character selection (screen SHOT #14), that there the so far secret?- Characters on black background easy shades exhibit. And on the basis these shades is one these?- Characters in for instance the mass or the form have, like Mario (also the outlines of the cap are to recognize). Therefore believe some, that it itself thereby around Mario Morgana, Baby Mario or vll. also Baby Luigi to act could."
Basically, what I wanna highlight is: "Baby Mario" or "baby Luigi".
Any thoughts?
Source: German MP8 site. Knuckles sonic8 04:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 14th Character?

message: Just so everyone knows, this page has become an object of vandalism quite frequently, recently (redundants?). Would anyone else but me like to take action against it? Knuckles sonic8 22:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: The article states that Shigeru Miyamoto is going to voice Birdo and Dry Bones. Is that really true? 17:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice Actors 

message: 'Magic Target Ride is a pun on one of the songs in the fictional movie Aladdin called "Magic Carpet Ride".'
The name of the song is "(A) Whole New World."
There is a song titled "Magic Carpet Ride," but it's by the group  Steppenwolf and has nothing to do with Aladdin. - 68.103.1.71 06:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect reference 

message: Thank you to the user that found/made this scan. This should help a lot as we now know Blooper is the 2nd new character. :) Knuckles sonic8 20:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NP Scan

message: Does anyone know who that wierd blue thing is at the bottom left?
First off, the boxart has been removed for some reason... Secondly, it looks like a game show host of some kind. Obviously seemingly a new host. Maybe he has something to do with the story. Knuckles sonic8 18:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not; Chuck Quizmo doesn't have feet.  What's in the article can only be speculation; I'm going to remove it.  --Brandon Dilbeck 02:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added boxart, ESRB rating. 

message: A few days ago added the boxart. Now many people have been deleting it and adding it again. Now I got the box from Gamefly, and if it wasn't real they have to say so, so yes, I'm 100 percent sure it's real. --Bentendo24 18:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It hasn't. I have Press Nintendo access from my website, and they only have a blank (white) box art with the words "Mario Party 8 Temp." I'm going to remove it again. I even have proof that it is a rumor. Mario Party 8 Fansite. They say "The first rumor about the Mario Party 8 boxart has been hitting the internet. Take a look and judge for yourself if this looks plausible. We will of course only know when Nintendo reveals the boxart officially." Hence more proof that Nintendo has not said anything about it yet. -- WiiVolve 02:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Um... wrong link, sorry.  Much better. Hardcore gamer 48 02:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real boxart or not. 

message: You can clearly see a circus tent on the boxart, for crying out loud. Hardcore gamer 48 05:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: see the previous topic; that's true, provided that's the authentic boxart, that is, which is still in question. One could fairly say that since the game is still in production and currently unreleased, that anything that is said about it is speculative at best. Gene S. Poole 01:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why would you need citation about the circus theme? 

message: I think we should leave this section like it is until the game comes out, or whenever all of the minigames are announced. It's really not a huge problem having a short list of announced minigames, right? –Llama man 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong, it's not short... and it's certainly not going to get smaller. A paragraph or so of games in general is all that is needed. A game not being out, doesn't make it an exception. RobJ1981 20:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Then the section should be removed entirely, until the game comes out, when a paragraph summarizing the minigames could be written, like there is in the other Mario Party articles. –Llama man 21:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I had to remove the list once again. I'm getting tired of this. The other Mario Party articles have no lists anymore: just because 8 isn't out... doesn't make it an exception at all.  RobJ1981 22:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Minigames" 

message: How could I tell an edit war was brewing? I could see the edit summaries. They were all "you're wrong!" "no, YOU'RE WRONG!" "i am superior tu yuo," "YOUR WRITING IS SHITCRUFT AND NO ONE CARES," etc. Of course, I don't think they got nearly that incivil, but I wasn't sensing good vibrations. It looks like there's war out there in the distance. In the meantime, I've locked the page so we can talk it out through a medium other than edit summaries. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 20:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's only between one person (and most of the regular editors of the article). As per how the other Mario Party articles are setup: a list of mini-games isn't needed. But the one editor thinks it is, and that's basically what got the page protected. He thinks the game not being out, makes it an exception to how the article should be set up. But since why has Wikipedia became a buying guide? If people want to find out what mini-games are on it: they can check out gaming sites, not here. Wikipedia = encyclopedia, not a mini-game guide, not a buyer's guide or anything else similar. The game being out makes it absolutely no exception. A paragraph (or less) describing the mini-games in general won't harm the article. Good luck on trying to find a solution, the editor has refused to budge in any way. It was hard enough to convince him to stop reverting the other Mario Party articles.  RobJ1981 21:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd like to see a statement from the person who keeps adding and re-adding the list. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 21:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Protecting the page is a way to resolve the dispute because it forces you all to talk about it rather than endlessly just revert each other... and the protecting admin always protects the wrong version.--Isotope23 17:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Interesting point -- without the list, the section is pointless. The list isn't actually that bad,  since it has sources. Personally I see nothing wrong with keeping the list; perhaps someone could even clean it up and make it prose. I may volunteer my time for that. How does that sound? ★MESSEDROCKER★ 22:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's listcruft. Mario Party is just fine without a list of mini-games (and a list article isn't needed either), as are the other Mario Party articles. If people want to know what certain games are in it: they can check gamefaqs or another gaming site. There is games like Wario Ware that don't have mass lists of mini-games, for good reason: it's listcruft and belongs on a video game wiki. In response to Henchman's post: if you hated the sentence so much, you could've made it a paragraph but you didn't. Instead you just reverted it back to how you saw fit. No one should have to notify you to make a paragraph for the article. As I've stated several times: the game not being out makes it no exception to how the other articles are set up. RobJ1981 22:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think there's a way we can all get along, here. Why don't we make SEPERATE pages altogether, to list the mini-games in the Mario Party series. Descriptions and all. Personally, I don't like the idea of all mini-games being listed in pages like Mario Party, Mario Party 2, etc., but if they are seperate from said pages, it shouldn't be clutter anymore. Everyone gets what they want. Sort of. ^_^; Hardcore gamer 48 02:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I've stated before: a page like that would be listcruft. If people want to see a list of mini-games they can visit a video game site. Wikipedia doesn't need cruft like that. Encyclopedia, not a guide to every little feature. RobJ1981 04:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: As I've stated above: it should be setup like the other Mario Party articles. A paragraph describing the games in general, no list. The game not being out is no exception. Why have a list now, and change it to a paragraph when the game comes out?  A paragraph now, and later is how it really should be. Also as I've stated before: mini-game lists and other similar lists belong on video game wiki's, not Wikipedia: an encyclopedia, not a guide to every detail. RobJ1981 22:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Holding you back? Get over it. You can edit other things, no one is forcing you to focus/edit only on this. That comment really wasn't necessary at all. RobJ1981 06:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: To see what I have so far, take a look at User:Messedrocker/Scratchpad#Mario Party Ocho, and feel free to edit it. Any comments? ★MESSEDROCKER★ 05:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The prose is much better. The list in question is clearly not what would be expected to be included in an encyclopaedia. This prose offers a clear concise summary, as opposed to what can be seen as listcruft, and even potentially, instruction or advertising. Prose helps this article avoid being a video game guide, which is something that Wikipedia is not. Yankees76 06:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The general statement on the scratchpad is good, and that's what should've been done in the first place. As a note: examples of mini-games (in reference to the other Mario Party articles) aren't needed. Why should it exist? People can easily come along and change the examples at anytime. It's not neutral point of view, when examples are listed and can be easily changed (in my opinion at least). Describing some games in general: fine, but exact examples with names: not a good thing, since it can easily be changed, and changed again. As for external links: the section would be flooded, if there was a link for each screenshot for the game. RobJ1981 20:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: On the scratch pad: it clearly stated "the list which has been fought over". That's not returning: the prose (the paragraph listed above the list) is what's going on the article. RobJ1981 00:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: I am currently reviewing the list not cut for the article, and seeing how I can make it into prose. My concern is that captionless images are cited a lot, which is not the best option because not only is there always the possibility that they are forged, but that too much is being interpreted from them. I am finding text sources that are usable, and I'll see if I can come up with some prose worthy of a Wikipedia article. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 04:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To see what I have so far, take a look at User:Messedrocker/Scratchpad#Mario Party Ocho, and feel free to edit it. Any comments? ★MESSEDROCKER★ 05:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The prose is much better. The list in question is clearly not what would be expected to be included in an encyclopaedia. This prose offers a clear concise summary, as opposed to what can be seen as listcruft, and even potentially, instruction or advertising. Prose helps this article avoid being a video game guide, which is something that Wikipedia is not. Yankees76 06:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The general statement on the scratchpad is good, and that's what should've been done in the first place. As a note: examples of mini-games (in reference to the other Mario Party articles) aren't needed. Why should it exist? People can easily come along and change the examples at anytime. It's not neutral point of view, when examples are listed and can be easily changed (in my opinion at least). Describing some games in general: fine, but exact examples with names: not a good thing, since it can easily be changed, and changed again. As for external links: the section would be flooded, if there was a link for each screenshot for the game. RobJ1981 20:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: On the scratch pad: it clearly stated "the list which has been fought over". That's not returning: the prose (the paragraph listed above the list) is what's going on the article. RobJ1981 00:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Making it acceptable for the article

message: While this meaningless arguement that people who want to know more about MP8 care nothing about apparently rages on, locking the page, the game has apparently been delayed an unspecified period of time. A couple of days ago. So why has nobody mentioned it? Could it be that everybody here who is arguing so passionately doesn't actually care squat about the game nor have any particular information for it? Fighting over fighting in the discussion page on an encyclopedia... there are voice chat rooms on yahoo called 'Fight Room' for this behavior. In the meantime, is there ANYBODY who knows about the release date change? From every source I've seen, its been shifted only to a hazy Q2, but people are guessing that it is to add online play, which would be worth the wait. What has anybody else heard? --12.219.32.121 20:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This should help. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 04:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nintendo Europe have a "2007 TBD" Release date; which also needs to be changed if this page is unlocked before the bloody game comes out —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kurtle (talk • contribs) 11:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since administrators can still edit the page, I've gone ahead and updates the page for you. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker 15:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Ugh. No, my dear friend, it wasn't just 'not listed' on that press release, it was listed Q2 2007. I'm afraid you had no right to change it, you know Nintendo aren't very quick with their updates (Check the 'Super Paper Mario' page on Nintendo) And now I'm going to change it back. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong. But I'm not, check your facts. --12.219.32.51 14:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where on that press release did it say that it was for Q2?  I still haven't seen any evidence at all that it has been delayed.  66.231.38.171 22:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try typing 'mario party 8' into google news and sorting by date. You keep changing it back. It's going to make people sad when its not out. Read the countless articles about it and weep, I'm afraid. --12.206.1.97 18:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Mario Party 8 wasn't on the list of Q1 released that Nintendo released a few weeks ago, and their press site says Q2. TJ Spyke 10:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date Change 

message: The following page  contains more info that sohuld be added when the protection is removed including:
Koopa's Tychoon Town [Reminds me of Windmillville from MP8; sounds cool]
Bowser's Warped Vortex 
Other mini-games have been OFFICIALLY confirmed but as the protection has been placed upon the page as result of all this confsuion, perhaps we should leave it out? Knuckles sonic8 02:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They should be left out. Wikipedia isn't a guide to every mini-game in a certain game. A mini-game list is better suited for a video game wiki. RobJ1981 20:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't assume. I'm against listcruft. Mini-game lists = listcruft. Things that belong on a video game wiki, not here. Wikipedia isn't the guide to every little note in games (even if the game isn't out). Get your information right, before assuming. RobJ1981 18:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More Info

message: Doesn't this game feature the use of Miis? I saw a screenshot of the game with a particular Mii. David Fei 03:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. There are two Miis on page 54. –Llama man 01:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Here. Of course, this version will not be used in the article, I will upload a new version of it if it is to be included. –Llama man 21:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead, scanned again, cropped, and put the image in the article myself. –Llama man 21:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miis 

message: I'm assuming people agree on the prose? Would it then be okay for me to add it into the article? And if I unprotect the article, will y'all stop the bickering? —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 06:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending protection 

message: I have put the "" signs next to the boxart and release date. Do not remove them unless you can find a reliable source with the info. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.46.19 (talk • contribs) 
: I've already posted this before. It may be a forum, but it is widely known (in Australia at least, lol) for being reliable. Note that the new host guy has his own character art, and Mario and Wario's artwork is the same as how they appear on the boxart. I think it's safe to say it's real. Hardcore gamer 48 22:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resourses