Talk:Polish language

message: "Direct borrowings from Russian are extremely rare, in spite of long periods of dependence on Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union, and are limited to a few internationalisms, such as sputnik and pierestrojka"
This is not very true because Polish has many phraseological calques borrowed from Russian that came to Standard Polish from Eastern dialects. I hope someone will clear this out some day in the future. Anyway "extremely rare" in this case sounds POV 77.40.103.127 (talk) 00:22, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Examples? 2003:E6:737:9E55:B883:D24A:31B3:91ED (talk) 11:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Borrowings from Russia

message: "Examples of loanwords include German Grenze (border) from Polish granica"
Lol, these is a borrowing from the protoslavic, not the Polish only (Russian, Serbian "granica", Czech hranice etc.) 195.113.149.177 (talk) 23:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you know it's from Poland exactly when Germans also have Sorbians? Polish language per se didn't exist when such borrowings were made. 77.40.103.127 (talk) 00:22, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

text: The article doesn't have any references in either of the loanwords sections. "Grenze", or some form of that word, can be found in all Germanic languages. Seems like original research...--89.79.65.198 (talk) 02:08, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Loanwords

message: *Someone deleted Polish language pages. I wonder who replaced the Polish language pages with such unintelligent comments. Only some brainless and ill-mannered people would do such things! Can someone reset the changes to the previous version of Polish Language page? --Thomaspca 00:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attention - vandalism

message: In the Consonants section, the sounds represented by cz, sz, ż / rz and dż are described as retroflex (, ,  and ), yet the table in the Orthography section lists them as postalveolar sounds ([ʧ], [ʃ], [ʒ] and [dʒ]). While I think the latter one is correct, it may also be possible that the Polish sounds are somewhere in between, so both versions are correct. This is still inconsistent, though. Any ideas? --Pipifax 21:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retroflex or postalveolar? 

message: The part about mutual intelligibility with Russian shouldn't be here. Not that there isn't some truth in it: Russian is my mother tongue and during my visit to Poland a few years ago i learnt to not just understand Polish, but to actually speak it in less than two weeks, but it could be said about Polish and any other Slavic language. AFAIK, Polish and Slovak are much closer to each other. Anyway, this section is poorly written, non-scientific and non-encyclopedic, especially the Jabberwocky reference.--Amir E. Aharoni 21:33, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mutual intelligibility with Russian 

message: I've gathered a list of Polish & Russian roots in Esperanto (here), but I suspect that many of the affixes might be Polish as well. Would someone mind taking a look at the lists of affixes (two lists here) and point out any that appear to be Polish? 
Thanks, kwami 01:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, he was (Belo)Russian, not Polish, but what I was wondering was if anyone could take a look at that list of suffixes and see if any were recognizably Polish. — kwami (talk) 04:58, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he was indeed Polish. Check his Wikipedia article: "Zamenhof was born on December 15 (December 3 OS), 1859 in the town of Białystok in the Russian Empire (now part of Poland). He considered his native language to be his father's Russian, but he also spoke his mother's Yiddish natively" so nothing about him being ethnic or otherwise Belarusian. Another website I say claims that his "Russian" may have been Belarusian, but that it was considered a dialect at the time. He however was still born in what is now Poland and was ethnically Jewish and not Belarusian. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 14:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish roots in Esperanto 

message: The article "Polish Language" is 33 kilobytes long. This may be longer than is preferable; see article size.
--84.61.29.246 11:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article size 

message: On this page and on Polish phonology sz was given as a Voiceless postalveolar fricative and ż / rz as a Voiced postalveolar fricative, they are both retroflex fricatives, voiceless and voiced, respectivly. I've corrected the error. --BadSeed 18:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Might want to comment that they're laminal retroflex, like Mandarin, but unlike Hindi or Tamil. kwami 21:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I hope that you mean "unless he is very impolite". Both sounds are really very different and so allowing a foreigner to make such fundamental mistakes without making him realize that he's wrong is very impolite IMHO. 82.210.159.30 22:33, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

text: IPA allows you to copy from the table closer to the bottom of the page. -Iopq 19:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmmmm. The transcriptions look kind of blurry with the dactrics. Do we need this level of precision to be specified in the transcription or is it sufficient to keep it as mention in the text of the article? -- Het 07:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, the laminal diactrics are gone. Partly for readability and partly because I could not actually find anyone using this IPA transcription. What I did find is that the retroflex transcription is often used for these Polish consonants. I have also added a note regarding a more accurate transcription for these sounds (and removed the odd suggestion these consonants are apical in Polish). -- Het 14:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retroflex Fricatives 

message: Cóżeście zrobili? (a form that could be derived from Cóż zrobiliście? which actually sounds archaic and is not used, except for eg. biblical usage)
It is used, but rarely, in the case of this sentence,  probably only when somebody is quite angry... ;)
    * Co wy zrobiliście?
    * Coście zrobili? (a native speaker would not use a subject here)
    * Co wyście zrobili? (this example emphasizes the pronoun -- "wy"+ście)
    * Co żeście zrobili? (this example emphasizes the że- particle, but it is not correct in a written form)
These are just some of the possible variants.
'Co wy zrobiliście?' - is perfectly correct, though here the pronoun is emphasised, just like in 'Co wyście zrobili?'
'Co żeście zrobili?' in turn is incorrect not only in written Polish. It's incorrect in general, even though there people who don't realise this. I know that there are quite a few people speaking thus and that this encourages to claiming that it is incorrect, still the authority responsible for, among others, setting rules etc. for Polish is very decissive at this point, and considers such a usage incorrect. 'ż(e)' may be used either as a conjunction or as an emphasising particle. Therefore the correct version is 'Cóżeście zrobili?'.
*"Past tense is "był" for all persons, although it does "conjugate" for gender and number like "on" (on był, ona była, ono było, my byliśmy)."
This is wrong. Somebody confused Polish with Russian. "Być" (to be) does conjugate by person (and gender and number) in the past tense, e.g. byłem=I was, byłeś=you were, byliśmy=we were etc..
Pro-dropping would not be possible if the verb did not inflect by person.
The past forms with the emphatic particle ż(e) are not technically wrong. They are simply irrelevant in formal speech, and hence are discouraged from being used at all. Cożeście zrobili? is a typical form in common speech. The particles ż(e) and ście, however, do not hold the stress since, by their very definition, they are particles. The words which they orthgraphically and phonetically attach to remain with the main stress.With respects to the past tense, these are formed from the so-called ł-particples that inflect for noun class ("gender"), but not for person. To these we attach our personal particles that do indicate inflection for person, but, alternatively, we may be attached these to certain function words upstream in the sentence: Gdybyście mieli samochód, pojechalibyście do miasta.--Jeziorko (talk) 16:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  grammar 

message: Kashubian as a language is not that closely related to Polish, surely? I know it is quite easy to understand for poles, but the Kashubians staunchly defend it as entirely separate from Polish. I don't thinkt hat is just pride.
:I'm no expert but from experience, being a Polish speaker, I found Kashubian similarly understandable to Slovakian, and easier to understand than Czech or Russian. Possibly harder to understand than Slovakian but I'm not sure. All the other languages including Slovakian are clearly separate from Polish, so Kashubian must be as well, based on mutual intelligibility or lack thereof. They're all West Slavic and pretty closely related in absolute terms, though, having diverged something like 2000-1000 years ago. I'm guessing the difference between Kashubian and Polish is similar to Russian and Ukrainian. Deuar 19:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kashubian is a dialect of Polish, sometimes considered as a dialect of Pomeranian or as a separate language. 83.25.102.123 19:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  What is dialect and what is language, exactly?--Jeziorko (talk) 14:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Kashubian is similar to Polish but this dialect has many words that their origins are in German. Because Kaszuby was long time in Germany. Kashubian has also pomeranian words. When I'm listening conversation, I often can't understand.
217.173.176.14 (talk) 18:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kaszuby

message: Is it possible for the plosive to be dental and the fricative retroflex in an affricate, as we have (tʂ), or should they both have the same place of articulation (ie ʈʂ or tʃ)? I tried sounding it out but can't tell on my own. Moszczynski 19:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retroflex affricates 

message: Hey, I made a recent picture of the polish speaking world
Red colored country means official language
Purple colored, historical, very significant, Polish speaking minority
Circles (depending on size) shows that there is a sizable Polish language speakers, over 100,000
Squares, small, but significant, Polish language speakers, less then 100,000
Can u teach me how to put a pic on Wiki?
The thing is saved on my Microsoft Paint
Chatnin--Chatnin 07:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at Wikipedia:Images and Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. Jacek Kendysz 13:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polonophone 

message: Hello, I hope someone may be able to provide me Polish language assistance.  In the Bagpipes article, it is described that some European surnames such as Piper (English), Gaitero (Spanish), Gajdar (Czech), Dudás (Hungarian), Tsambounieris (Greek), Gaidarski (Bulgarian), etc. may signify that an ancestor played the bagpipes.  I've just learned that a Polish and Ukrainian name for bagpipes is koza.  Thus, I wonder whether Kozar, Kozak, or some other Polish surnames may have a similar meaning.  Is there an equivalent surname in Polish that is the equivalent to the English "Piper" in that it originally meant "bagpiper" (or "player of the koza")?  Thank you,  Badagnani 08:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm not particularly knowledgeable linguistically, but here's what I can tell: Kozak is the polish name for Cossacks, so people with this name are much more likely to have an association with them in their ancestry than bagpipes; Kozar may be a somewhat better candidate, but again you've got to watch out because koza is primarily the Polish word for goat, which might be the likely root of that name instead. Incidentally, however, I happen to know a Polish person with the surname Gajda which is fairly unusual - to the point that I've wondered where it comes from. Comparing to the Czech and Bulgarian forms, it's likely from the bagpipes. Also, Dudy is the word for bagpipes among the Gorale in the southern Polish highlands, and the surnames Duda or Dudek may be related. There's a caveat again, at least for Dudek, because it's the name of a distinctive bird, the Hoopoe. Anyone know something more? Deuar 11:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Polish word for bagpipe is 'kobza' not 'koza' (which actually means goat".  --A-lbi 02:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Thank you very much for this. I had asked because of my question above (under "Polish language question").  I work at the article Bagpipes and we know about surnames that refer to bagpipe-playing in other languages, and I had wondered if "Kozar" was one.  But "Dudziak" and "Dudek" sound like good possibilities.  Badagnani 20:33, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No no no! As someone already wrote above, Polish name for "Bagpipes" is DUDY, name for similar Polish instrument is KOZA (but you can't call Scottish or Asturian pipes "koza"). KOBZA is common mistake, but actually it's Ukrainian string instrument (you can check in wikipedia ;) - mistake comes probably from similarity of words "koza" and "kobza".    Similar instruments in Poland are also called Gajda and Koziol (Polish for "male goat", "Koza" is goat female or goat in general). It's very interesting to learn about ethymology of "gaita" - very logical also, when I think about it, since bagpipes "bag" was usually made of goat's skin. Koziol (instrument) can still have quite a lot of hair (fur) and wooden goat's head as a decoration.    As for the name, Polish for piper is "dudziarz" (I heaven't heard about such surname, though), so "Dudziak" seems very likely, "Kozar" is also possible (and Kozak surely comes from Cossack) - but that's all just guessing, not real linguistic knowledge
#There is not a sound g in czech language but h instead so the czech surname might be Hajdar.
#A man playing the bagpipes is "dudziarz" or "koziarz". Kozar is rather ukrainian or jugoslavian name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.10.185.230 (talk) 12:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Neither Gajdar nor Hajdar is a native Czech surname. You might presumably find some Gajdars of foreign origin. — Emil J. 15:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish language question 

message: The number of 50 million native speakers is not plausible, as there are some 37 million native speakers in Poland and the academic estimates for the number of Polish native speakers abroad range from 3.5 million to 10 million. The anonymous user supports his edits with links to tourist agencies or political speeches, which in my opinion are not reliable sources of information. Boraczek 08:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The number of speakers 

message: The history section needs a serious trim. Most of it is just a history of Poland, which is repeated (in better structured form and with more detail) at Poland. Some of it is relevant (since the history of languages is inextricably bound together with the history of peoples) but please remember that this article is about the language, and as such we should concentrate on what parts of the history are documented (verifiably) as having influenced the language. Hairy Dude 19:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant history 

message: According to the Polish Wiki, Polish has 44 million speakers and is ranked number 25 in world languages. According to the English Wiki, it has 43 million speakers and is ranked number 29. --MosheA 21:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict of Numbers 

message: Hmm.. Of course it's true that sometimes (rarely) people are rhyming (using "częstochowskie rymy") when speaking, but is it reall so unique and so characteristic to deserve it's own place in the article, which is long enough without it ? Szopen 07:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fun facts about Polish language 

message: Article: "There are also few words borrowed form Mongolian language, those are dzida (spear) or szereg (a line, column). Those words were brought to Polish language during wars with Genghis Khan's armies."
The word 'szereg' is actually of Hungarian origin and was introduced into the Polish language during Stefan Batory's rule. It is still present in modern Hungarian (spelled 'sereg') and means, according to http://dict.sztaki.hu, 'cohort', 'crowd' or 'troop', reflecting it's usage in Polish as a largely military term.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.90.160.247 (talk) 23:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of 'Szereg'

message: Native Polish speaker here. What does mean "chzelea (Chezlava, "Chris")" and "kazhiki (Kashik, "ken")"? Most probably these are just spelling errors. I would love to correct them (some other words need a correction too), but I do not know what English "Chris" or "ken" mean (they are not in my dictionary either).
TumorMozgowicz 17:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  They were uncited and doubtful, so I removed them.  Knepflerle (talk) 18:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Words borrowed from German 

message: Whoever thought of such nonsense? I edited it out. --SergeiXXX (talk) 17:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are many Poles in Russia that still live there as a result of ethnic cleansing campaigns performed from Catherine in Imperial Russia to Stalin in Bolshevist Russia. Last census gave 73.001 Poles in Russia. Polish organisations help to teach Polish and provide education for children. There are a couple of Polish majority villages in Siberia even today IIRC.
--Molobo (talk) 21:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Example:
Near Irkutsk, the village of Vershina still exists, which was founded by Poles in the year 1910. Residents of the village, almost all of whom are Polish and Roman Catholic Christians, rebuilt and rededicated in 1992 the small church that had been built in 1912 and destroyed during the Soviet era.
In the historical sense, Siberia does not evoke positive connotations, particularly in Poland. Koperski has included the town of Vershina along the rally's route-500 Polish families, descendants of Polish exiles to Siberia, live in the town. "Making the first preparations for the rally, we provided some help to those people who live in horrible poverty," said Koterski. "It is unbelievable that they still speak Polish and cultivate Polish traditions. We really felt like home there."
--Molobo (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish in Russia???  

message: We currently have three runaway lists of countries in which Polish is spoken within the first 10% of the article (one in the infobox, one in "statistics" and one in "geographic distribution").  These lists are repetitive, unsourced, have no clearly defined criteria for inclusion, and are hard to maintain with numerous unsourced inclusions and deletions.  The current runaway list in the geographic distribution is equally pointless - there is no point listing every country in the world where there are two Poles (or one Pole talking to themselves!), and what is a "significant number"?
My proposal:
# infobox contains only countries where Polish has official standing, as at German language.  All instances have sources
# geographic distribution section mentions all countries with more than a certain number of speakers, or the ten countries with the most speakers. Source.
# information from statistics section incorporated into geographic distribution section, make the latter a subsection of the former.
# put a hidden comment in the page text asking editors to propose changes to the lists here first.
Thoughts? Knepflerle (talk) 00:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Watching edits recently, this is still an issue - some other editors' thoughts would be nice Knepflerle (talk) 10:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No thoughts at all?  If not I'll just put into action what I propose above. Knepflerle (talk) 12:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Geographical distribution

message: I mind translating from "Jak leci" to "how is it flying", cause you can also translate that to "jak TO leci" and that it means sthng like "how is that written/sung/played/etc". By the way, german "wie geht's" (jak leci) is exactly means "how is it going", but in polish "jak idzie" (how is it going) means "is your job done" ;D oh, I love Europeans;) http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedysta:Wilqw3  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.194.172 (talk) 06:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: How is it flying?

message: Polish does have five grammatical genders (noun classes) based on grammatical agreement, taking into account all seven cases and both numbers: masculine-personal, masculine-animate-non-personal, masculine-inanimate, neuter, and feminine. There are many overlaps when it comes to grammatical agreement, but consider the following:I. Widzę jednego dobrego nauczyciela. Widzę i innych dobrych nauczycieli. (dobrego ~ -ych)II. Widzę jednego dobrego psa. Widzę i inne dobre psy. (dobrego ~ -e)III. Widzę jeden* dobry dom. Widzę i inne dobre domy. (dobry ~ -e)IV. Widzę jedno dobre drzewo. Widzę i inne dobre drzewa. (dobre ~ -e)V. Widzę jedną dobrą dziewczynę. Widzę i inne dobre dziewczyny. (dobrą ~ -e)All the above nouns (nauczyciel, pies, dom, drzewo, and dziewczyna) are of different grammatical genders (noun classes) because there exists at least one instance of a case and number that distinguishes one from another.--Jeziorko (talk) 02:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: if "there exists at least one instance of a case and number that distinguishes one from another" is the criterium, there exist in Polish far more than five genders. For instance: pani (Nom.) panią (Acc.), "lady", as distinct from koza (Nom.) kozę (Acc.), "she-goat". So let's have a 'ladylike-feminine" gender, and "non-ladylike-feminine" gender... . In a similar vein, how many past tenses are there in English? "go"--"went", "chide"--"chid", "strike"--"struck", "swim"--"swam", "put"--"put", "creep"--"crept", "take"--"took", "sell"---"sold" ... at least 8 then, and then also "smile"--"smiled". Clearly, this proliferation of grammatical categories has to stop somewhere... 87.206.222.228 (talk) 10:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

text: The correct pronoun selection only works for personal pronouns on, ona, ono..., where accusative singular jego/go works for all masculine nouns. Other pronouns, however, will distinguish (as mentioned in the article) animacy here; e.g., którego versus który.--Jeziorko (talk) 02:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Five Grammatical Genders in Polish

message: This topic may be discussed later in the article but it does not belong in the intro. That would imply they are a major, defining characteristic of the language but in truth the number of loanwords is comparable to most other languages (except English where there is indeed an abnormal number of loanwords).Kasnie (talk) 16:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  loanwords 

message: (The mentioned correctness could be subject to an argument. It is clearly not an "official language" form, no apparent reason I can see for deeming its written form as incorrect, though.)
The "apparent" (and obvious) reason to condemn that as incorrect is that there is no reason to put the "że" particle there. The form "że-ście" is based on wrong analysis of expressions like "cóżeście" (= "cóż" + e + verb ending) as "co" + "żeście" (the difference between "co" = "what", and "cóż" = "what on earth" is less or more like between Latin "quid" and "quidnam"). The result of such analysis is then casted onto sentences, which are not questions, resulting in such expressions as "wy żeście zrobili" (instead of "wyście zrobili" or simply "zrobiliście"), which is even worse. Mamurra (talk) 18:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "żeście" is incorrect 

message: Why should "wy żeście zrobili?" be incorrect? Why should not "że" be inserted between the pronoun and the verb? ("śćie" = "jesteście")? 131.220.251.41 (talk) 14:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "żeście" 

message: Silesian is official consider as a dialect, look the encyclopedia Britannica. @Ivan Štambuk: Why you changed it back without any reason? I gave a source!--84.142.63.91 (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Britannica is not actually. LUCPOL (talk) 15:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it is up-to-date. Why you think it isn't? --84.142.63.91 (talk) 17:27, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Other encyclopaedias cannot be used as sources for Wikipedia per policy. Plus, we cannot treat one source as the bearer of the Truth, per WP:NPOV policy we must give appropriate account to all of the relevant viewpoints (except those held by the irrelevant minority). For example, according to 99% of the Bulgarian linguists and the Bulgarian Academy, Macedonian is officially a dialect of Bulgarian, whilst for the rest of the word (except, maybe, for the Greeks), it's a language of its own, with separate literatures, history, standardological process... Do you see the similarity wrt Silesian language/dialect : Polish language? --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 18:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silesian 

message: No discussion of case? kwami (talk) 22:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  case 

message: No mention is made of Polish being written in other scripts, such as the Arabic alphabet (by the Lipka Tatars). Obviously shouldn't be in the top, but it should be mentioned surely? Hrcolyer (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lipka Tatars 

message: I've noticed manyPolish words used in administration are German based (ratusz, gminy etc). Is it fair to suggest that this is due less to just having been neighbours for a Millenium (as stated in the text)and more to significant areas of Poland being under German speaking administrations (Germany and Austria) during 19th century? (79.190.69.142 (talk) 08:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: you are not correct. The words mentioned by you appeared in Polish because of two elements: German migration to Polish cities and towns in middleages and the fact, that the towns were created under the Laws of Magdeburg (being general framework for establishing such entity)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.177.237.239 (talk) 20:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: German words for administration

message: The Polish language is x, q, and v but very rarely.
Q - ku
V - fau
X - iks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.54.80.247 (talk) 17:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: pl:Xenia (epigramat) and some names (e.g. surname Xiężopolski, first names Xawery and Xymena) have x instead of ks (all these examples are listed at :pl:X). Double sharp (talk) 12:49, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Q, V, X 

message: Can someone please elaborate on when and why there was a transition in the Polish language
in the use of the letter "Y" to denounce the "ya" sound instead of the letter "J"
I noticed this when I was reading some historical books
and most predominantly it jumped out at me when I saw the name "Zamoyski".
Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.110.152 (talk) 17:13, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Y instead of J 

message: "Error using : IPA symbol "li" not found in list". Needs attention from someone who knows IPA. Lestermandersson (talk) 20:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The error was introduced with this edit – Wbm1058 (talk) 01:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

text: The error caused the article to populate :Category:International Phonetic Alphabet pages needing attention. – Wbm1058 (talk) 01:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: IPA Error under ''Orthography''

message: On the one hand, in the section "Dialects", we read:  "[Kashubian] contains a number of features not found elsewhere in Poland, e.g. nine distinct oral vowels (vs. the five of standard Polish) . . ."
On the other hand, in the "Phonology" section, we read: "Polish has six oral vowels (all monophthongs) . . ."
Which is correct? Does Polish have five oral vowels, or six? 108.246.205.134 (talk) 03:44, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of oral vowels 

message: "Recent loanwords come primarily from the English language, mainly those that have Latin or Greek roots, for example komputer (computer), korupcja (from 'corruption', but sense restricted to 'bribery'), etc. Slang sometimes borrows and alters common English words, e.g. luknąć (to look). Concatenation of parts of words (e.g. auto-moto), which is not native to Polish but common in English, for example, is also sometimes used. When borrowing English words, Polish often changes their spelling. For example, Latin suffix '-tio' corresponds to -cja. To make the word plural, -cja becomes -cje. Examples of this include inauguracja (inauguration), dewastacja (devastation), recepcja (reception), konurbacja (conurbation) and konotacje (connotations). Also, the digraph qu becomes kw (kwadrant = quadrant; kworum = quorum)."
Except that most of those words were borrowed from French during the time of the Normans. So can they really be considered as words borrowed from English?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.125.60.93 (talk) 10:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, most of those words are common Latin-besed internationalisms, and appeared before the WW2 due to French cultural influence at that time. Except for "komputer" and "luknąć", they are by no means English loan words Wicki (talk) 18:31, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borrowings from English 

message: The originality of Polish culture is tied to its language and to its Slavonic roots. Linguistic studies indicate that 5000 to 4000 years ago early Balto-Slavic languages were part of the Aryan or the Eastern Indo-European languages. Over 3500 years ago, the languages of the Balto-Slavs separated from the Aryan languages; some 3000 years ago, the Baltic and Slavic languages separated from each other; and for the next 1500 years, the Slavic languages evolved parallel to the Greek, Latin, Celtic, Germanic, and other languages. The evolution of the Polish language occurred during the following 1500 years.
While this is correct in its broad outlines (datings are always difficult), it's strangely and confusingly worded in part. First, it would be preferrable to use BC and AD datings (for example "in the 3rd millennium BC"), not relative datings (even though the dates are so rough that this won't become a serious problem for several centuries, hehe). Second, the use of the term "Aryan" here appears to be ambiguous, first referring to an eastern group of Indo-European (the "satem" group, apparently) and then specifically to Indo-Iranian, which is the only strictly correct meaning, but the reader cannot be expected to know even this, so it should be explained. Finally, some phrasings are simply unclear, vague, awkward or describe truisms not specific to Polish. As the problem lies with the source, and the source is not really wrong, just badly worded, I hesitate to edit the section as it could appear that the source is misrepresented if I brought it in line with current thinking. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:24, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

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message: How can there be millions of Polish speakers overseas when Polish has a population of 38.5 million and the following sentence claims there are 40 million in total? --2.245.248.108 (talk) 00:56, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

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message: In the article it is written: "believed to have come from Polish Ducal Prussia".
Shouldn it be from Royal Prussia?
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thread_title:  Ducal Prussia 

message: could someone correct the infobox? it should give the Polish language Council (Rada Języka Polskiego) as the regulator, but it links to a uk translation firm. I'd correct it myself, but the infobox markup is Greek to me :(.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.37.80.50 (talk) 02:11, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: , well spotted.Nico (talk) 08:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  language accadimy 

message: "Polish began to emerge as a distinct language around the 10th century, the process largely triggered by the establishment and development of the Polish state."
How can an establishment of a state "trigger" an establishment of a distinct language? --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii 12:03, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logic? 

message: While in formal speech and some other situations  yes/no questions ar indeed fored by adding czy at the begining of sentence, in casual speech czy is often (or should I say usually) dropped and the fact that the sentence is a question, rather then declartive is distinguished solely by intonation. 78.8.83.16 (talk) 14:52, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes/no questions 

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message: I think we should link the phrase "paradise for the Jews", which now redirects to an article I started on a 17th century aphorism "Heaven for the nobles, Hell for the peasants, and Paradise for the Jews".  I agree the larger aphorism article is not directly related to the history of the Polish language, but if we're going to use this specific historical phrase, it makes sense to me that we would wikilink to the article about it.  My edit did not change any of the wording of this article, just added a relevant wikilink.--Pharos (talk) 16:12, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking the phrase "[[paradise for the Jews]]" 

message: "Recovered Territories" is a propaganda term of the Polish communist party. It is equivalent to "German territories under Polish administration". Neither of these would be in accordance with the neutrality required of an encyclopaedia, not even in quotation marks. Maybe once or twice wouldn't hurt, but it's several times throughout the article. As far as I can see, "former German territories" is an option widely used as a neutral term. It decribes the reality of what these territories were and also -- through the word "former" -- makes it clear that this is in the past.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.71.22 (talk) 21:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a propaganda term. It is justified by facts, because in the Middle Ages these areas were often under the rule of the Polish monarchy. As we know, various areas around the world have been transferred to one jurisdiction and then to another for hundreds of years, because this is how history goes. Therefore, calling them the Recovered Territories by the Communist Party was based on historical facts and was not a lie. Calling them former German lands is as true as calling them former Polish lands - it depends on what years in the past we are referring to. 185.234.241.9 (talk) 11:12, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral language / Use of propaganda terms 

message: I have a few issues with this map that I have commented on at Talk:Languages_of_the_European_Union#Polish_language_map: no references are provided for it, and it seems inconsistent on whether it is tabulating knowledge only by country or is considering differences in knowledge between regions of the same country. (Several regions of Ukraine are shaded as having more Polish knowledge than the rest, but then Belarus and Lithuania should also have similar shading. The original map did have such shading, but it seems to have been incorrect, as Brest for example should not have been shaded that darkly based on :File:Polacy na Białorusi.png. Could the map be remade more consistently according to referenced data? Double sharp (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of knowledge of the Polish language in Europe (brown shading) 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: This propaganda map should be removed from the page:   
It is wrong and has no source. The data in countries surrounding Poland is particularly troubling. (Lilic (talk) 21:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propaganda map 

message: According to the article since 97% percent of people speak Polish as their first language, Poland is the most homogeneous country in Europe. However, in Hungary, this percentage is 98.9%. (see wiki on Hungarian language, and consensus data). I modified the wording in the article. Also it doesn't have any source as to why this was written in the first place.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferrum234 (talk • contribs) 14:33, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most homogeneous country in Europe??? 

message: Hi all.
I am wondering if it would be appropriate to place an image of the Polish alphabet [currently places in the Dialects section] in the infobox which would be beneficial to readers. Template:Languages specifies that images can be used. Oliszydlowski (talk) 05:54, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image in infobox 

message: Native to Germany? Polish may be spoken by Poles living in Germany but it's not native to Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.24.246.49 (talk) 00:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the list represents the countries where Polish is widely spoken or recognized as a minority language. Oliszydlowski (talk) 04:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Polish is not a recognized minority language in Germany! There are far more Turks in Germany, but Turkish is and will never be recognized as a minority language. That would mean that you legally have the right to use Polish/Turkish in any situation, demanding that every company have employees capable of speaking Polish/Turkish at any time. --2001:9E8:A42A:3800:306B:9AEB:EE9C:A1BD (talk) 12:06, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native to...Germany? 

message: Polish, along with Czech and Slovak, forms the West Slavic dialect continuum. The three languages constitute Ausbau languages, i.e. lects that are considered distinct not on purely linguistic grounds, but rather due to sociopolitical and cultural factors.[31] Since the idioms have separately standardized norms and longstanding literary traditions, being the official languages of independent states, they are generally treated as autonomous languages, with the distinction between Polish and Czech-Slovak dialects being drawn along national lines.[31]
This paragraph implies that Polish, Czech and Slovak are all completely mutually intelligible varieties of a single language, like how Serbian and Croatian are standardized varieties of the Serbo-Crotian language, or how Hindi and Urdu are standardized varieties of the Hindustani language, which is NOT the case. They belong to different branches of Western Slavic (which also includes the Sorbian branch), i.e. Lechitic and Czech-Slovak. Czech and Slovak, being part of the same branch, are mutually intelligible to a high degree, which is not true for Polish. No, the distinction between them is not just "along national lines". I don't know whether the source is incorrect, as I don't have access to it, or whoever wrote this paragraph misinterpreted the source, but this paragraph is incorrect. Noxian16 (talk) 03:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish and Czech-Slovak 

message: Polish is not spoken as a second language in eastern Germany. It is merely offered as the first foreign language in some schools bordering Poland next to English. Native German families will obviously always choose English. For children from Polish families, it is not a second language but a first. They already know Polish and their families normally choose English as well. In 2011, only 8245 children in total attended Polish as the first foreign language. That doesn't automatically mean that these children can hold a meaningful conversation in Polish. --2001:9E8:A42A:3800:306B:9AEB:EE9C:A1BD (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern Germany 

message: Polish 39.62.43.115 (talk) 18:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nic dobrego oblisuj język polski i rosyjskiego gazu ziemnego i ropy naftowej 93.105.216.40 (talk) 16:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish 

message: Kashubian is officialy recognised as a separate language in Poland 5.173.233.14 (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kashubian 

message: Is my cooking good? 2603:7080:EE03:C000:C48E:59B4:758C:D2A9 (talk) 03:53, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Food 

message: The redirect Siwierski has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  1234qwer1234qwer4 18:50, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Siwierski]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Tak jak kiedyś o tym żona i mąż 93.105.216.40 (talk) 16:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nic nie tylko jako że pamiętam żona i mąż nie tylko wśród których wielu