Talk:Municipalities of Armenia

message: I think "Towns" with over 100,000 should be classified as cities.  Therefore, by these standards Armenia has only 3 cities, Vanadzor, Gyumri, and Yerevan.
The other "towns" in no way resemble "cities" in the modern sense.  I don't think a few 6-story apartment buildings turns a town into a city...  Serouj (talk) 05:50, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense to me. I have added Vanadzor to the list of "cities" mentioned in the article lead. I also agree that all three of the places you have mentioned should be referred to as cities in their respective articles. For the lists here, however, we're actually classifying them based on their designations as either a kaghak or gyugh, which for the sake of consistency we are translating as "town" and "village". Hope that seems like a reasonable solution. Kaldari (talk) 18:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why we need to adhere to the categorization by the Armenian census.  I think we can apply good judgment here and single out Vanadzor, Gyumri, and Yerevan as "cities" in their own category... Serouj (talk) 22:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't that constitute Original Research? Kaldari (talk) 22:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cities vs. Towns

message: The data shown on this page is inconsistent with the 2001 census.  Also, there is the notion of "de jure" vs "de facto" population.  Due to a high percentage of migrant Armenian workers who work abroad or are permanently living in Russia or the U.S., the "de facto" population of a town/village is actually much less than the "de jure".
For example, according to the 2001 (latest) census, the de jur pop of Vanadzor is 107,394, while de facto pop is less at 93,823.Census for Lori Marz.  More info at: 
:I think it would be a great idea to split the population column of the kaghakner list into two columns for de facto and de jure populations. I don't have time to do it at the moment, but I would fully support such an edit. Kaldari (talk) 18:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: People who "are permanently living in Russia or the U.S." (the concern voiced in the first paragraph of this section) are NOT included in the de jure population figures. Only people temporarily absent, i.e., living abroad (or in other places in Armenia) for 12 months or less are included in the de jure population. See the definitions of de facto and de jure in the census publications. Therefore, I would not bother with reporting both de facto and de jure: de jure (the larger number) is usually the more representative of the two, because it reflects all those present at the time of the census plus those who are reported by other household members as being temporarily (12 months or less) absent. The very interesting issue of migrant workers should be explored elsewhere on the national (or marz) level, not on the level of towns and villages in this list. However, someone has to make sure that the population figures in the table of towns in List of municipalities in Armenia are consistent with the census numbers. For Vanadzor the table gives 116,929, but as noted above the de jure population in the census is 107,394 (de facto 93,823). --Zlerman (talk) 22:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please feel free to correct any errors that you find. I didn't compile the data in the table so I have no idea as to its accuracy. Kaldari (talk) 16:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistent Data

message: The list of municipalities need to be updated according to the latest statistics (November 2022), I've put them onto my sandbox, check the references for original PDF's. – Olympian loquere 03:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Moreover, here's an official governmental map with the updated municipalities . – Olympian loquere 23:50, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of municipalities