Talk:Piñata

message: it seems that in the first sentence it should tell people what people DO - as I'm aware, you hit it with a stick until candy or treats comes out - the first paragraph makes it clear there is joy involved, but doesn't fully define what it is by explaining the purpose or action involved that kids like so much. Since I'm not a writer, I thought I'd leave that comment for others to adjust.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.214.100 (talk) 15:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: doesn't define the word fully in the firs tsentence

message: "Traditionally, people would get blindfolded and spun in circles to make it harder to have good balance. Or 'pin-yah-ta' in English."
The last sentance in that passage seems misplace, so I removed it. If you feel the need to explain the pronounciation, feel free to put it someplace more appropriate. 193.44.6.146 (talk) 17:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentance makes no sence 

message: Who is "Blas Bunny"? --Menchi 18:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Conejo Blas" is a Mexican folk character. Popular because of a song by Francisco Gabilondo Soler, who was a very much loved writer of songs for children. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 18:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blas Bunny 

message: This article could do with saying more about which countries pinatas are used in, and how widely used they are within those countries. I assume their use is not restricted to Mexican and Italian communities. AdorableRuffian 20:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. "Beating the barrel" is very old in Europe, however not so much in English-speaking Europe, hence it's low profile around here. This article meanwhile owes everything to the cultural voguishness of the piñata in the U.S. Hakluyt bean 21:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This may be coincidental cultural similarity, but it bears investigation.  How old is the beating the barrel tradition?  From what I gather, it was a Scandanavian tradition centered in Denmark.  The Latin country of Spain had no such tradition.  It seems unlikely that a Danish tradition would somehow influence the Mexican pinata, and far more likely that it came from the indigenous clay water pot.  The pinata today is usually made from papier-mache, but not so long ago it was also made from clay pots, more like the Tlaloc pots than a barrel.Tmangray 00:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article on Danish carnival here on Wikipedia implies that the beating-the-barrel tradition is actually not so old, but is related to a Catholic carnival celebration.  The Spanish were in the Low Countries and certainly had much influence on Catholic practices in the region in the era following their conquests in the Americas.  If the beating-the-barrel tradition cannot be reliably traced further back than this period, it raises the possibility that the pinata may have been the inspiration for beating-the-barrel, by way of the Spanish. Tmangray 01:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Very good final point there, I agree with you. I asked on the Fastelavn page to see what they had to say.  Beating spirits out of a barrel is maybe distinct from putting sweets in there for children.  I would generally associate sweets (candy, fruit) with the New World. Hakluyt bean 23:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: is there any information on how the piñata arrived in Europe? Any evidence that it came from China.  Indeed any evidence that it was known in China before is was seen in 14th century Europe?203.184.41.226 (talk) 07:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extent of use 

message: There is no official rhyme I'm phitm
it varies from place to place. The chant I know of goes like this:
Dale, dale, dale,
No pierdas el tino, 
porque si lo pierdes
pierdes el camino
ya le diste uno,
ya le diste dos,
ya le diste tres 
y tu tiempo se acabo!
Which would be
Go, go, go
Don't loose your aim,
because if you loose it
you will loose the path,
you just hit it once,
now u've hit it twice,
now you've hit it thrice
and yer time is up! Mike(Talk)/(Cont) 00:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Rhyme 

message: ok this a part of WikiProject Mexicoand i have a problem with that. Mexico is not the only place with Piñatas. 
There also should be an other section about Cuban Piñatas in particular cause they are different. You can read about them here: 
http://www.awe-yes.com/pinapinatas/pinata_history.htm
Wikid00d88 (talk) 21:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cuban pinatas are derivative from Mexico, and a much later development. Cuba and Mexico have always had very close maritime ties. Tmangray (talk) 16:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  problems 

message: What's up with the "pin-yah-ta" comment in the "etymology" section?
82.169.112.106 (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's up 

message: The current "themed park" picture from Germany should be removed and replaced with an picture from a celebration with authentic ties to the tradition. Would it be acceptable to place a picture under the "Japan" Wikipedia section depicting Florida Epcot's Japanland? It would be an insult. Same goes here. Kim  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.151.116 (talk) 04:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Insulting Picture

message: I think this article would benefit with 1 or 2 lines before the contents simply explaining what a piñata is
It gives some hypotheses of where they come from and what to sing while playing but doesn't ever say "A piñata is..."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stonysleep (talk • contribs) 18:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a piñata 

message: I completely agree with the above. I came to this page hoping to find out what exactly a piñata is, but am only slightly the wiser. I can sort of speculate about what it might be after reading through the "Origins" and "Making a piñata" sections, but the article would benefit greatly from a "A piñata is..." section. Unfortunately, I am clearly not qualified to provide such a section, so I hope someone else (who knows what one of these things might be) can!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.21.95 (talk) 17:07, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a piñata 

message: Is the whole stuff about pinatic surgery true?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.108.166 (talk) 12:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was vandalism, so I've removed it.  It was unreferenced anyway - come back with a reliable source and it can go back in.  Astronaut (talk) 17:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinatic Surgery 

message: Please consider rewording or deleting the sentence that says safety precautions include keeping a wide space around the baseball bat being swung. 
Fact: by the nature of the game, the kids are going to be excited, and the onlooker kids are going to be trying to get close, to be the first to grab any candy the moment a single piece falls. Fact: being struck in the head by a baseball bat can cause severe or fatal injuries to a child. Therefore, letting children use a real baseball bat to break a pinata at a party and relying on "keeping a wide space around it" is grossly negligent and reckless per se. Wykily (talk) 16:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safety 

message: Much of the part of the article about the history of the piñata contradicts itself. The (unsourced) part about it coming from the Mayans, Aztecs, etc. is not compatible with the (perhaps unreliably) sourced part about it originating with the conquistadors, and that the first piñatas were shaped in a way that symbolized a Christian concept. Should we remove the part about the "legends"? Or are there better sources? Kansan (talk) 01:42, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Also, as far as I know, there is no evidence of such concept in Classical Nahuatl or Mayan languages. Some indigenistas would try to coin something like pinatatzin, but such is a calque of Spanish. Otherwise, such lines referring to "pre-Columbian origins of piñatas" should be removed, as they are blatantly unsourced. Big-latigo (talk) 07:16, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

text: The issue here is the lack of sources rather than the contradiction.  There may be a variety of explanations of the origin of something, which may be contradictory.  Our job is to report in a balanced, neutral way what the reliable sources say, not arbitrate the contradictions. Cullen328 (talk)`
I don’t find it neutral at all. Piñata came to all America specially to the South, so why is it mentioning just Mexico many times? This is not about the piñata in Mexico only. Should show general words talking about piñata coming with Spain/Asia etc. I didn’t even see the very famous known song “¿Quién rompe la piñata?” Made in South America that everybody knows and it’s played every time piñata has to be broken. Please add this song every Latin Hispanics knows about it, report in a balanced. Figaro Cheshire Cats (talk) 00:51, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self contradictory 

message: "The Spain brought the piñata to Mexico during the beginning of the 15th century." Really? THE Spain? Also, apparently the SPANIARDS brought the piñata to Mexico before Columbus arrived.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schepeler (talk • contribs) 23:59, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant errors 

message: Please change the following sentence in the first paragraph from:
The Spanish brought the European tradition to Mexico,
to:
The Spanish brought the European tradition to Latin America,
Because the way it is written now, the article still gives the false impression that Piñatas arrived to America exclusively in Mexico.
Thank you.
108.7.5.127 (talk) 02:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not requested cited reliable sources to back up your request, it could well be that it first arrived in Mexico. - Arjayay (talk) 21:05, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2014 

message: The summary of the origins is unclear. The word is Spanish, and the earliest references are to Europe (Spain, presumably) in the 14th century. Is that the earliest known instance of that is now known as piñata? Presumably it spread to Latin America from Spain. If it started in Spain, why is there no reference to pinata in Spain today? But what about China? How does that fit in? Apart from the throwaway suggestion that it originated there, there is no reference to China.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:15, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

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message: Multiple sources online say that piñatas were brought over from Italy to Spain by Roman soldiers, and then used in a christian context. This article makes no mention of any of that happening, nor does it say anything about piñatas in Italy in general. Bongi347 (talk) 19:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Says nothing about italian origins, only references spanish origins.