Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 1

message: What should it be called? I have heard it said that some of these are merely "slang" others say it's not derogative... Should Vandal, hooligan be included, Jerry, Charlie etc.. The need for the expansion seems important
: Jerry i would reckon belong in the 'political slur' article, although im not sure. 'charlie' might be both political and ethnic. vandal and hooligan, those are more political/social/economic than racial or ethnic. besides this was not 'planned out' when we broke up these categories, we just kind of did it. 
here's a place where they have a list-http://www.rsdb.org/
Dwarf Kirlston 12:38, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just checked two slang dictionaries and couldn't find this meaning for the word bruton. I also checked several very-large general-English dictionaries and couldn't find this meaning, either. It seems to be (1) a last name, (2) a town in England, and (3) another way of saying Briton (a native of Britain). Tomorrow, I can check another couple slang dictionaries, though. --Primetime 03:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: *I just checked a couple regional-English dictionaries and another slang one. So, it appears to be incorrect. --Primetime 20:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Need for expansion of title

message: While I wouldn't argue against the inclusion of a list and discussion (!) of racial slurs and the like, I'd wish its quality to improve dramatically, especially given the sensitive nature of the topic. Note that some people may be offended even by reading this page(s).
Being German, my comments will include a 'german' perspective. Some notes:
1) The only word reportedly used by Germans in the list is 'Tommy'. It can still be used today (although it rarely is) referring to British soldiers. Per se, the term is hardly derogatory. Unlike a page you link to claims ("Germans called the Brits this in WWII. They thought Tommy was a common British name.") it refers to the British soldiers' pay books which used the name "Thomas Atkins" as an exemplary signature. Hence the hypocoristic form 'Tommy' was used as a generic term for 'British soldier'.
2) Unlike apparently in the US, the word 'Yankee' is derogatory in German, unless used in historical context: e.g. Yankees vs Southerners.
3) That brings me to the question of context. For this page to be more help- and insightful, I would appreciate more context and historical background.
It would, e.g. be interesting to know whether 'Adolf' can still, and in any context be used as generic term for 'Germans' or rather when describing Germans as 'Nazis' (which may, of course coincide, depending on the speakers intentions). How is it used ? "He's an Adolf" = German ?
4) Lastly, I would like to single out the entry 'Nazi' which you gloss as 'a German person'. While I'm aware that some people still like to indiscriminately qualify Germans as Nazis, I think at least in Europe, Nazi does not necessarily mean German. Historically, of course, it is short for 'follower of the doctrine of 'Nationalsozialismus. While this movement came to power in Germany, and its most prominent exponants and, perhaps more importantly, the far-reaching realization of its tenets (e.g. the Holocaust) are inseparably connected with German history, Nazism was never, nor is, either uniquely or exclusively German. Especially Neo-Nazism is widespread today, with major centers, e.g. in North America and various European countries.
Hence the current usage of the word, as I know it, is that it refers to a follower of Nazism, whatever nationality he or she has.
I'm pretty sure that, at least in Europe 'he's a Nazi' isn't homonymous with 'he's German'. But that may be different in the US or elsewhere.
Can anybody clarify ?
P.S. Certainly the usage of the word 'Nazi' depends on each person's historical awareness. After WW II countries like France or the Netherlands undertook great efforts to expunge the memory or their respective Nazi movements and collaboration. The picture given in school books etc. was that all French/ Dutch were in the resistance, while only the Germans were Nazi. Such a clear-cut national divide of course never existed. Suffice it to say that there were thousands of Dutch (and also French) in the Waffen SS. Also, there were quite a few Germans e.g. fighting in the French 'Résistance'. Such 'details' tend to be conveniently forgotten, so, perhaps the equation Nazi = (exlusively) German may live in many heads. I'd be interested to read your comments on that.
I agree not all Germans are pro-Nazis, a terrible thing to say. Millions of Germans and Europeans, not solely Jews, are victims of Nazi persecution for their religious views (Adventists, Jehovah's witnesses, Mormons, born-again types and Catholics refused to follow a Nazified church), political beliefs like conservatives, Communists and Socialists, and they spoke out/openly criticize the government. They face the same severe maltreatment in Nazi labor camps or put to death when the Nazis decided to. Other victims include the rich, paupers seen as "lazy", college students, war deserters, liberals deemed as "leftists", homosexuals, feminists and certain nationalities from Poles to Gypsies, Hungarians to Romanians, and Russians to Greeks that Nazi doctrine calls them "untermenschen" or lower races. To say only Germans are Nazis or Italians are fascists is perpeutating a national slur, stereotypes of people I say. There are small pro-Nazi French, Dutch, Danish, Polish and Russian parties, plus the Waffen SS hired Belgian, Ukrainian and Hungarian sympathizers, including Slavic catholics and Muslims to fight for Hitler! The majority of nations occupied by Nazis remain loathing of anything to do with Nazis, not Germany or German people, to this day. Many Germans are ashamed of Hitler and Nazism, along with world war I and Communism divided the East from the free democracies to the West. The 20th century wasn't the best time for Germany and the people enjoyed a truly unified free Germany since 1990 with no kaisers, fuhrers or commies. An example of European unity and peace, not war and hate, and won't be surprised if Austria joins Germany one of these days, as some longed for reunification after the wars of the 17th century  over kings and churches (The North "Prussia/Rhineland" was protestant, the South or "Bavaria/Austria" was catholic). Europe may one day be a political not geographic entity, and the EU itself has an agenda of uniting nations without force. I say what a good idea for Germany and Europe. +207.200.116.13 11:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differentiation, elaboration 

message: I see that Kiwi is in the list. Maybe a New Zealander can correct me (perhaps I am an insentitive Australian) but I really doubt that this is a slur as no Kiwi has yet to hit me for using it. On that basis I ought to add Aussie.
This leads to another observation. There are various debates above that discuss whether or not a word should appear and whether or not a slur. How about we solve the problme by chaging the list to a list of names that are slang terms use for an ethnic gourp, nationality, culter or whatever. We could add data to indicate
* An indication of level of offensiveness, preferably validated by a member of the group being offended, otherwise subjective by necessity!
* An indication of whether the term used by others to refer to the group (eg boong): or also used internally (eg Kiwi, wog).
* An indication of the form of english that uses the word: plus any differences between forms of english.
This would allow the list to expand to include other 'alternative' and slang names for groups.
 
Not sure about sorting or splitting into sub topics: could be by target group or the using group: ideally both.
This is a 'shit load' of work, but may solve the issue. 
--GPoss 00:59, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)
Do you mean a Kiwi bird or a fruit? Oh well ... Australia and New Zealand is two countries, not quite the same people. Just like the U.S. and Canada are similar, but two different countries with noted differences in politics, culture and lifestyle. National terms "Kiwi", "Aussie", "Brit", "Yankee" and "canuck" when used nicely, politely and by themselves, isn't going to trigger a fight or a problem. Wikipedia seems more afraid of etiquette and sensitivity, if you ask me, and what we do is trying to understand why we as humans name ourselves to make a distinction and differentation. This is why we have countries, states/provinces, regions, communities, towns or cities, neighborhoods, and the most basic social unit: families. Who do you identify with or named yourself as? I think it can be fun if we don't get carried away and start calling people names, because of their nationality. + 207.200.116.13 11:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiwi and General comment 

message: Either this has a couple of mistakes in it, or it's a candidate for BJAODN:
 Shigga, Sexinese, ; Of Sexinese descent. Highly sexy and irresistable. a must-fuck
The User Formerly Known As 82.6.10.139 02:00, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  BJAODN time? 

message: In the cape of Good Hope province is a large minority of locals with mixed African-Caucasian-Malayan-east Indian ancestors, known as "Coloureds" or began with "cape". After years of living as whites or "Afrikaaners" of Dutch Germanic descent or as black Africans in rural communities, they were given a separate race category back in the Apartheid regime (1965). Some may look white, others black, or appear mixed, but I never felt the term was very offensive (other than if used among the Cape Coloureds in their community.) Why someone feel this is a mean spirited pejorative? Only not in South Africa? or the country remains viewed this negatively, after the Apartheid system disappeared in the early 1990s. +207.200.116.13 09:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coloureds of South Africa

message: This page is an equal opportunity slur festival, in case he missed the point. All races and ethnicities are subject to slurs equally here. Jews don't get a free ride by whining about anti-semitism, at least not on this page. --Wiesenthaler 04:33, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Some (Chosen) People are more equal than others. --Wiesenthaler 05:40, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: You said yourself they were censoring my edits. The Jewish Wikipedia gangsters think they must  revert slurs against Jews but, of course, slurs against everyone else are fair game. They think they are special. It's not anti-Semitism to point out the obvious. Watch your step when you step off your high horse.  --Wiesenthaler 05:50, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Jewbacca reverting the ethnic slurs against Jews? 

message: I just reverted Wiesenthaler's latest edit. Some of his entries were described in neutral terms, but others were not, and I don't have time to go through them all so I reverted. I feel this user should be blocked because he is causing a lot of trouble for a second day running; wasting people's time, and being highly abusive.  Examples of his recent edit are:
*Nickel nose - U.S., a jew. Refers to facial characteristics and money-centered nature. 
**German candle - U.S., Jew. Refers to incinerated Jews in World War II. 
*German oven mitt - U.S., Refers to incinerated Jews in World War II. 
* Gargamel  – U.S. ,Jews. refers to greedy money-grubbing nature of Smurf by same name.  
*Gatemaster – U.S., Jew. As in doomed to Hell. 
Although this is a page for ethnic slurs, the descriptions of the slurs should be neutral, and the above are not. I also wrote on the edit summary that the edit contained an insult against an editor, but I was confusing that with the previous edit by someone else. Slim 07:15, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
::I feel you should be blocked for engaging in revert wars and unjustified biased edits of referenced material. Who do you think you are? --Wiesenthaler 07:27, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiesenthaler's edits

message: You should not be deleting material just to suit your personal opinions about what is offensive to jews. This page is for ethnic slurs. Of course they are offensive. Your selective bias is more offensive than the slurs.  --Wiesenthaler 07:19, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  VirginiaSlim, why are you deleting fully referenced material? 

message: Gosh, just as soon as one username is banned another username appears to take its place. -Willmcw 04:30, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiesenthaler/SLUR

message: A bunch of self righteous creeps just shut down the "List of Ethnic Stereotypes" page.  We should expect them to target this page next.  Gird your loins for battle.
: They moved them to List of stereotypical characters in the world of drama. Sweetfreek 21:15, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have the patience at this exact moment to go and retrieve them from the history, but it's nothing that can't be corrected. Sweetfreek 20:58, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  RED ALERT! 

message: What about Sauerkrauts = Germans?
:It's just Kraut, if you use it with Sauer you refer to the dish, at least that's what I think Brother Dysk 14:27, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
::Yep.  The joke is "Now there's a sour Kraut"  Chris 19:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  sauerkrauts 

message: Revision as of 02:01, 28 Mar 2005 says: Kike : (U.S.) a Jewish person mainly named GIL. Some call him Poor Ol Gil. Uncertain derivation, possibly derived from the fact that illiterate Jewish immigrants (i.e., those unfamiliar with the Latin or are named GIL/English alphabet: most such immigrants were quite literate in Hebrew/Yiddish and often in Cyrillic/Russian script) / Gil loves to gobble on chodes.
I have no idea what this is talking about. Who or what is GIL, and how is it related to the word "kike"? What are "chodes" and why is it relevant that Gil loves to gobble on them?
I'd like to remove those changes, but I'm pretty new here and figured I'd ask first. --Keeves 19:12, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was just vandalism by 67.180.82.75.  Feel free to remove obvious vandalism. Jayjg (talk) 19:59, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks, all! --Keeves 22:54, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What/who is GIL in the explanation of Kike 

message: I don't know who decided with their monarchical wisdom that the slurs like "Won-Ton Pussy" and "Pina Colada" aren't real--I hear people use them at my school in new york all the time. You guys probably haven't heard them because you don't live in as diverse a community as I do. But I don't know what sources you want... people say them, but there's no official database of obscure sources. If "Egg-Roll dick" is acceptable as a slur I don't see why "Won-ton pussy" isn't.
::Adding slurs that you have heard is called original research and is not allowed on Wikipedia. Please find a verifiable reference so that other editors who do not attend your school can double check the validity. If such sources do not exist then, to the great loss of culture, we shall have to leave them off of the the list. Thanks. -Willmcw 20:39, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
:::While the loss of this information would indeed be a horrific tragedy, at lest we can gain some minor comfort in the knowledge that it will be maintained in the edit history. Jayjg (talk) 23:10, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: New ethnic slurs and racist terms are invented every day. Not long ago, "darko", "bowl hair cut", "border jumper", and "hajj" was rarely heard outside bars or hate group meetings. The TV news already talks about the U.S. armed forces is concerned on the rampant use of "hajj" may become an anti-Muslim slur, a pejorative that breeds hate crimes against Arab Americans and other ethno-national groups perceived as terrorists. The U.S. avoids any racial profiling after protests by African Americans, Hispanics and now Arab Americans on becoming targets by the INS, US customs and law enforcement. A new federal policy in 2005 removed racial profiling from 68 out of 70 law enforcement methods and practices. Only two remain in existence:  purposes for identification for crime statistics and in the National Security Administration, in charge of the U.S. Homeland Security department. + 207.200.116.13 12:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are you deleting "Pina Colada" and other slurs? 

message: Just a small note, but I think "hebe" should be included as a slur or as an alternative spelling for "heeb."  I was pretty surprised when a ctrl F for "hebe" didn't get any results on the page.
:I agree and have made the change. In general, you may "be bold" and make edits on your own. If someone doesn't like it then we can deal with that later. Cheers, -Willmcw 00:38, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
:: Of course, "hebe" and "heeb" is an offensive term for Jews/Jewish people. The term is used in Anti-Semitic canards and materials, but not as much like the 'K word' (kike) has a more threatened meaning. Some pejoratives (pardon if I type them in examplatory form) has a bigger punch like nigger does, or closely controversial like 'chink' and 'spick', and others not as serious enough like 'wop' and 'raghead' (although Italians and Arabs are Caucasians or "white" people). "Heeb/hebe" is the first syllable of the word Hebrew, an ethnic, language and tribal (historic) terminology. Juda, Judas, Judaism and Judeo- are mainly religious, but also a national term, the same for Israel. And Semite is an ethnic and cultural term, includes Arabs and Hamites that speak "Semitic/Afro-Asian" languages. The word 'hebe' isn't the same way used like 'Jew', thus the later is appropriate and not held as anti-Semitic when it's said and written in non-accusatory ways, but never use 'hebe'.+ 207.200.116.13 12:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hebe" as an alternate spelling for "heeb" 

message: "Ami" in German is simply a colloquial, sloppy abbreviation for "American". It's not derogatory unless put in a derogatory context.
:Ami has been removed. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:25, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Somebody rewrote the term not long ago. You can simply find "Ami" in the newly edited article. Ami(e) is simply a friend in French, so the term may backfire in most European languages, since Ami has a Latin linguistic origin. What you think about that? Americans are not aggressive invaders of innocent small countries. We may get into wars and military operations, but the U.S. shall not have a bad name, "Ami" or "Yank" or "white blue-eyed pigs".+ 207.200.116.13 12:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ami" is not an ethnic slur in German 

message: Why is there such a prevalence of the term "East Indians" on this page? I'm an Indian, as in, from India, and I don't like that term when Indian would be enough. Presumably this is to avoid confusion with Native Americans, and if that is true, a distinction has already been made by using the term "Native American". I've never met an Indian who would consider him or herself "East Indian" unless they were actually from the east parts of India, despite the phrase "East Indies". 
Thanks.
:I will take this opportunity to respond to your query. It is most likely a result of Americans (referring to denizens of the continents of both North and South America) posting these, where Indian is the most common term to refer to the aboriginal peoples (anthropological term).
--Darryl Hamlin 09:22, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  terms for Indians 

message: Here's an addition: "Your people" is an equally threatening and unP-C term to describe black Americans or any race in general. Nobody in the year 2006 will say "your people..." to those of another race or minority, esp. Black people in the U.S., North or South, east or west. You won't say that when you visit another country and say "your people..." in a way held your guests feel it's hostile and condescending. Men don't say it to women, other religious groups don't say it either to another religion, don't say it to a gay person (man or woman) and don't say it to a persons with disabilities. It's one of the least politically correct euphemisms and the most accidential out of all phrases. Isn't it ironic how easily you can offend people by talking about "your people"? In America, it's a racial epithet in itself since the 1990s. + 207.200.116.13 12:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 'your people'

message: Pepsi - (Anglophone Canadian) a Quebecer (or "French-Canadian") (from popularity of Pepsi-Cola in Quebec, where this soft drink outsells Coca-Cola — possibly the only place in the world where this is true). As used in Quebec, it means that the intended recipient is, like a pepsi bottle, "empty from the neck up." It also refers to black people in America. Many years ago, Pepsi was cheaper than Coca-Cola. So, the lower income black people drank Pepsi because it was more affordable. Hence, the term 'Pepsi' used for black people.
Is this a fact?  I suppose this is why there is pretty much 1 pepsi machine for every coca cola machine in The States.  Have any proof to back up that claim? 
As for East-Indian, I know white americans that will use this term to distinguish 'East' Indians and American Indians.  I've known 'Native Americans' that preferred to either go by 'Indian' or their particular Indian nation.  We'll never reach a concensus unless there is a real poll on this subject.
There are plenty of Americans that dislike using the Your Race Here-American.  I don't believe we ever voted on it. 
I also move to add 'OREO'.  It can be used to describe a black that acts white.  'OREO' can also mean a person who is of black/white heritage.  'Cracker' can also mean a black that acts white.-Wijiwang 15:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pepsi? And the Indian question 

message: 'Céfran' is not a racist slur, and is not even a common 'verlan' word. Because this entry had no value, I removed it. Adidas 00:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: removed 'cefran'

message: What the hell's wrong with fish and chips, It's not just white people who eat it actually, Plus in Britain it is highly-prized, It is also brain food so why the low intelligence reference, plus saying fish and chips is low taste comes across as snobbish to me.
It's another ethnic joke or slur about stereotypical diets. Just like the portrayals of Black Americans eating fried chicken, or Jews keeping kosher by eating certain foods, Chinese/Japanese people eat rice and noodles, and Latin Americans eat tacos or burritos. These become offensive jokes and stereotypes in themselves. Then again, I don't see how offensive can fish and chips, with a cup of tea can depict British culture and cuisine? What if the French are called "wine and cheese" eaters? Is that equally offensive too, or somebody is afraid to offend my father's nationality, and he tells me they love parisian "french" bread, escargot and horse meat. whatever. + 207.200.116.13 12:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fish and Chips?

message: "Schwarzer" isn't considered a racist slur in the German speaking countries since schwarz is the German word for the color black. "Schwarze" are blacks and "Schwarzer" is a black person. It's therefore equally offensive as the word "blacks" is in America. I added a comment and the German ethnic slur of "Neger".
:In Europe, the terms along with the closely associated "neger" and "nigre" are not extremely 'verboten' and there is opposition of the common usage of racial pejoratives. However in Great Britain, France and the Low countries (Holland/Netherlands and Belgium), the 'N' word is a recent addition to forbidden words in proper society. I knew Dutch lawmakers made an anti-hate speech law in the 1980's that levies a fine to anyone who's caught making a racial joke in public. The term "Negro" is from the Spanish, Italian or Latin terms for "black", like the night sky is "negro" or black. That's why some Europeans concerned with racial issues and social matters want to adapt new terms for "Afro-Europeans" or "Europeans of African descent", but as long it doesn't become a fighting word or used a negative term. In fact, there's a really big controversy in Belgium, the Netherlands and Northern France every christmas season over the folklore character "Zwerte piet"/"L'elve de Noire". I recommend you to read it in wikipedia blackface+207.200.116.13 09:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Schwarzer

message: I was told in my last trip to France with my Dad and his family, that terms "Jew", "hebrew" and "yiddish" aren't fully acceptable in France, and the popular substitute is "Israelite" (not Israeli) to mean a person of Jewish religious/cultural heritage. The term "anti-Semitism" is too strong to utter in France, even the national press and airwaves are cautious in how to bring forth the subject, when an attack on Jewish synagogues, businesses and cemeteries take place. Every week (on average) somewhere in France, an act of anti-Semitic vandalism and arson occurs. If the news media talks about it, they say this briefly "it was performed by native-born gangs", but it's a code word for Neo-Nazis, or a more taboo version: North African/Muslim Arab gangs with open anti-Semitic attitudes, esp. related to the Israeli-Palestine conflict and the U.S.' role in the war on terror. The great restrictions in social, cultural and policy functions of France dealing with anti-Semitism is not just a concern of national security, but a self-shame or guilt by a very 'pro-Semitic' government that anti-Semitism went on for 1000 years, and it continues in small subliminal form today when it's morally rejected. + 207.200.116.13 09:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: free speech vs. political sensitivity

message: Why does the definition of Caca keep getting taken down?  I lived in Saudi Arabia for ~10 years and I always heard Caca used to describe NIGGERS who were born in the middle east.  Do I have to use NIGGERS instead of COLORED or BLACK people to make it sound legitimate?  I have seen some honestly very stupid slurs on here that I can hardly believe 'COME ON, YAHOODI AND THE BLOWFISH???'  Thats so just some random fucking clowns made up term that he thought sounded funny.  this is for real
I believe it, atrociously offensive and a strong pejorative. It's worst than the 'N word' or it gets quickly taken down. Try to respell the term as "kaka", "kei-kei" or "qaqa" if this will demonstrate a legitimate edit.  I wonder "Infidel" is a pejorative slur too strong to add and edit, a strong anti-Western term used by terrorists like al-qaeda and Muslim fundamentalists across the Middle East. "Infidel" has a wide definition and they use the term for a non-Muslim, be it Christian or Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist, or a heretic or secular Muslim. Politically charged, but worse than the 'N word' in these tough times in America and the world threatened by terrorism. + 207.200.116.13 12:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CACA

message: Both words translate simply to "fag" and can't be introduced into a context and be perceived as ethnic without the very specific mention of or allusion to nationality. No one could simply blurt out "bög" and make a stranger (whether a homophobe, nationalist or both) go "yeah, how about those Swedes". Whether a majority of Finns, Danes or Norwegians actually think of Swedish men as pansies or not is completely irrelevant. The exact same could just as well be used in reverse or to just about any other nationality. Any homophobic nationalist of any country would probably claim that the nationals of any random number of other countries are a bunch of homosexuals. In a lot of cases probably all other countries. It would be just as pointless as listing "dyke" or "fag" here.
Peter Isotalo 19:17, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bög" and "bøsser" 

message: Why, in this day and age do we need such a list? Just delete it please.
Because this is an encyclopedia. You may not agree with every entry, and some may be controversial, but that doesn't mean they dont belong. --Threatis 22:23, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sickening" 

message: A few days ago I added the fact that some people refer to Bostonians as well as Mexicans as "bean eaters". This was removed. I see no reason why because I know a great many people who use this expression. I'll leave this in hopes that 155.84.57.253 will explain himself, but this seems unlikely. As such, I'm going to put it back in a few days unless objections are raised. unixslug 03:25, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bean-Eater 

message: I would like to know where the person who wrote this fact entry received his information? For one thing, the phrase asking where something is in Spanish is Donde está ---, which doesn't sound any thing like guiri. Second, guiri has three meanings in Spanish, one of which is "turist." That, I assume, is the meaning of the word in this context. So, I'm going to revise this entry a bit right now. 67.165.217.42 02:42, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In Gibraltar, it is a derogatory expression for people from the UK - maybe it is in Spain too.Quiensabe 04:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guiri 

message: I'm removing this - while very interesting, it can't be described as an 'ethnic slur', unless it were used by Indians to describe Pakistanis or Pakistanis to describe Indians.
(India, Pakistan) a person acting fraudulently to cheat somebody out of their belongings; a confidence trickster. From Section 420 of the Penal Codes of both India and Pakistan covering such activity. The Penal Codes of both countries are inherited from the Indian Penal Code of 1860 instituted by the British rulers of the Indian Subcontinent, which then included the present-day countries of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. A popular 1955 Hindi film from India, Shri 420 (in English: Mr. 420) has a central character who, though innocent, is regarded by many as a con man, hence "Mr. 420". Not to be confused with the association of '420' with marijuana in the USA.
Quiensabe 2005-10-13 04:54 UTC
*I suspect-- the reason someone may added 420 was for the double meaning. That being it is also Adolf Hitler's birthday.   April-20 4/20 Not- that that's an ethnic slur but I suspect that is another reason why it might be here. CaribDigita 04:14, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am moving this into another article, and linking to it from the Indian Penal Code entry168.209.98.35 19:42, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  420  

message: * Pirata: British (after the alleged stealing of the Malvinas Islands)
* Paragua: Paraguayan (short from "paraguayo", while "paraguas" means also umbrella)
* Bolita: Bolivian (small ball, playing marble)
* Chilote: Chilean (from the adjective used to refer to people from Chiloe island)
* Brasuca: Brazilian
* Note: Some Argentine press insisted on calling Brazilians, esp. soccer teams, macacos (monkeys) but the term never caught with the general populace
* Peruca: Peruvian
* Yanqui (pron. "junkie"): Yankee, US person
* Cabecita negra, morocho, groncho: person of mestizo stock
* Aluvión zoológico: a mass of poor people, including mestizo stock, originally used for the protesting masses on 17 October 1945 in Plaza de Mayo
* Negro de mierda, negro puto: strongly offensive, equivalent to "nigger", used not necessarily for Africans, but to insult any person with dark skin. Used liberally by soccer fans
* Ruso, ruso de mierda: Jew (after the Russian passport most immigrant Jews carried)
* Cortado: Jew ("cut off")
* Note: the use of turco ("Turk") for Arabs and Armenians is based on the passport that immigrants carried, and is not intentionally offensive. Armenian-Argentines were offended when so addressed, but this seldom happens any more.
* Gallego: Spaniard (after Galicia, Spain). Used in derogatory jokes but also as a term of endearment
* Note: "tano" for Italian derives from "napolitano" and is never a slur
* Note: oriental, yurugua or charrúa for an Uruguayan -- are not slurs. "Oriental" is the correct way of saying "Uruguayan", see the Uruguayan anthem.
Thanks for the list of what's pejorative in your country. In nearby Chile where I like to go someday, but here got my attention. 'Vastido' is a new term for American tourists, translated as 'annoying' or 'intrusive'. In all countries, esp. Asia (Japan), Europe (France) and Africa (Egypt for example) there are multiple versions of "Ugly American" or "white blue-eyed pig", a highly offensive term long used by anti-American political activists from Communists to Muslim terror groups to WWII Japan. Some nations' quality of life isn't as good like the U.S. and this isn't a national bias, but the U.S. may bring a sense of self-shame to some nations. Canada has some form of jealousy towards America, so does with Mexico, Russia, China and Australia. When one country is a giant in the world scene, some people may shout "look out for number 1!" and the U.S. in fact, is the only last superpower.+ 207.200.116.13 12:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Argentine ethnic slurs

message: * Frenk: Jew of North African (esp Moroccan) origin
* Sakeen: Jew of Moroccan origin (Hebrew: "knife"). Not in use anymore
* Sandwich: Tunisian (after a specialty sandwich)
* Shateeah: Iranian jew ("carpet")
* Parsi: Persian, Iranian jew; also used for "miser"
* Polani: Pole, also a person of meddlesome character
* Arabush (meant to be highly offensive): Arab
* Ben Dod: Arab (lit. "cousin", after the family ties between Israelites and Ishmaelites mentioned in the Book of Genesis)
* Sabon: Ashkenazi (used by some Oriental Jews)
* Buzbuz: Ashkenazi (used by Oriental Jews and sometimes by Ashkenazis themselves)
* Note: the term "sand nazi" that was featured on this page is never used in Israel
Israel is in an effort to include and integrate all Jews into one national mindset: Israeli or "sabra" a term of endearment means native-born (or multi-generational) Israelis named for a desert cactus fruit. Jews lived around the world for over 2,000 years and just since 1948 AD was a drive to unite the world's "Jewry" to their historic biblical homeland. Then one finds many differences and variations of Israelis, some came from Europe or from Asia, some practice Reform judaism while some others are ultra-Orthodox, and the oldtimers may resent newcomers from Arabia or Russia, Ethiopia or Panama. What do they have in common they realized? They share a religious heritage, and came to Israel to start life anew. Any more terms or this is it? I don't blame them from avoiding "Nazi" and usual anti-Semitic terms. I knew Arabs (those not Jewish nor European) born and live within Israel are citizens, participate in national politics and enjoy full civil rights, whether are Muslim or Christian. There are Bahaist, Druze, Armenian, Circassian, Iranian and African minorities, along with guest workers from Russia, China, India and Latin America. The population is aging, grew slower and less Israeli, a phenomenon of most developed and prosperous countries. + 207.200.116.13 12:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Israeli ethnic slurs

message: I'm not sure "Desi" is a pejorative term - I've never heard it used that way - and I'm also questioning "Bangla" which is the Bengali term for the language/ethnicity.  Does anyone have any sources that these are used pejoratively?  Thanks.  Bruxism 22:26, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derogatory? 

message: ;Raisin Head : (Arabs) a black person/person of subsaharan African origin/descent - attributed to Mohammed  
I have removed where it says this is attributed to Muhammad.  I expect it to STAY that way this time.  This is slander, and taken out of context.  Muhammad was delivering an ANTI-RACIST message when he stated this, and this article attempts to portray him as a racist.  I have tried multiple times to get rid of this, but someone keeps replacing it.  KEEP IT OUT.  If there are any site administrators, please work with me and see to it that this does not return, thank you.  -Niz
I see that my wishes have been ignored.  There is obviously vandalsim going on here, and I am going to make sure it is prosecuted to the highest ability of the law.  -Niz
:I've attempted something that should make both sides happy, by providing a full story. If THAT's edited, someone is obviously letting their bias run the encyclopedia. --S.M. 02:02, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: S.M.'s edit looks good to me. JackyR 02:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I feel obliged to point out that it's not slander because Muhammad is dead. Soo 20:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep This Out

message: Why did they get removed? They are extremely common especially the first. Buzda 01:11, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alabama Blue Gums and Boon removed? 

message: These two items in the list:
* Great Satan, Satan (Islamic World - esp Iran) the United States, American (Note: almost never used by Iranian minorities: Jews, Christians, Armenians, Baha'is, Zoroastrians)
* Shaytan-e-Bozorg (Iran) An American from the U.S.A. meaning Great Devil.
Simply do not qualify as an ethnic slurs. They are not used to refer to an indiviual American. It's just a term used by Iranian politicians to refer to the American Government, and its policies, NOT the American people. I lived in Iran for years and I never, ever, heard anyone refer to an American by these terms or anything like them. 
I suggest we remove them completely. Alex 04:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Great Satan" 

message: user with IP address 155.84.57.253 has been vandalising this article, i assume its a single user who uses public computers to carry out such activities.
it clearly shows this person is an american soldier who resides/resided in east asia.
well, keep your opinion out of it, its YOUR opinion certain foreign food/diet has unpleasant smell, but its not the case for everyone.
as for parasite, i never heard of it as referring to a parisian, perhaps your american military brain has alot against the french.
*If you really want people to take you seriously, then you should sign your name/number/handle, and date your entries.  Otherwise you are just being anonymous and cowardly.  Rather than vandalizing this article, I am one of its toughest critics, keeping it from becoming a dumping ground for personal rants.  Based on your ramblings, you are obviously the one with the bias. 155.84.57.253 14:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  about 155.84.57.253 

message: As per the new tag, perhaps we should consider splitting this into multiple articles.  The most obvious way to do it would be to split "Ethnic Slurs used in North America and the British Commonwealth", from other "Ethnic Slurs used in Spain, Portugal and Latin America", "Ethnic Slurs used in Continental Europe and Asia", and "Ethnic slurs used in Africa and the Afro-Caribbean."  Just a stab.  Of course there will be some overlap. 155.84.57.253 17:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That would make the slurs much harder to find. The 32kb convention is not a one-size-fits-all. This is a list, anyway, not an article written in prose (see Wikipedia:Article size to see why that makes it different). Even if it were in prose, articles in online encyclopedias are very often longer than 32kb. For example, Britannica's "China" article is 952kb, not counting formatting characters. World Book Online's "United States of America" article is 85kb.Primetime 22:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting into multiple articles

message: This article was missing the term JOJ (just off the jet) --Shell 22:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  JOJ 

message: Sorry, but this term has little to do with Racism For the source of the term, look at this website, which is more accurate: R. F. Outcault, The Father of the American Sunday Comics, and the Truth About the Creation of the Yellow Kid
CORNELIUSSEON 01:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Yellow Kid 

message: Never heard a word like "giairo" even if I live in northern Italy, and I can't find any use of it with a google search, it should be deleted. (Rather, "giaurro" is a historical pejorative term for non-muslims) "Giargianese" is another word i never heard... it is shown with the same meaning on www.neologismi.it but it could be derived from Wiki. Rather, it seems to be used in some parts of southern Italy to refer to a non-comprensible northern dialect speaker. (From "cartaginese", Carthago). Vù Cumpra is used both for north African and sub-saharian people, while "animale" is a term I never heard used against English people. Mameluke (Mammalucco) hasn't got a racist meaning today in Italy: it's still reminiscent of Ottoman soldiers, but it's a very mild word for "stupid", without any racial meaning. 
Deadpunk 23:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian Slurs 

message: Please review anon revert . I noted that at least some good content was lost and new edits were already made on top. This needs to be either explained or fixed. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 21:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Upon review it appears 155.84.57.253 has reverted the edits of several users giving the explanation non-notables, repairs, version by ---, last credible version, or reliable , , , , , , , , , ,  (as if one can distinguish reliable versions in an article with almost no citations). And this is only in the last 12 days! Thus, it appears as if many quite possibly valid entries have been deleted. This anon has been editing just this page since November, 2004 --they have to know that this is vandalism by now. --Primetime 22:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Upon further review, it appears as if the anon has deleted comments on their talk page warning them to stop reverting other people's changes . It also appears as if they were given a 24-hour ban at one time . --Primetime 23:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been restoring some of the entries deleted by the anon. Deletions which were unexplained and were not blatantly implausible are the principal reinsertions. However, it's now only authentic from October of last year. I may need some help. --Primetime 14:21, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

text: 155 stuck again; fortunately nobody editied since his revert, so I was able to revert quickly.  I put a test3 on his user page.  --EngineerScotty 17:42, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content lost due to revert 

message: Ok, so there's a lot of content here, but none of it is referenced.  Time to change that - this is an encyclopaedia, we need sources.  Guettarda 17:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Unsourced material should be removed. -Will Beback 00:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disgree that unsourced material should be removed. The vast majority of material in Wikipedia is uncited. It is especially difficult to cite words found on this page that are mostly spoken (not written) by certain groups of people (some small, and some in non-English-speaking countries). I think the  tags are a great idea, but removing content just because it is uncited is a bit drastic, in my opinion. --Primetime 00:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not simply that the material is uncited, but that it is unverifiable. If I added a made-up term, how could anybody know it? If the terms are not so well-known that they are written down, then they don't need to be in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a slang dictionary. As it stands, virtually every entry would have {fact} on it. The only current source for some material is the dubious http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html, itself copied from another unsourced website. -Will Beback 00:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. The word encyclopedia comes from the Greek words enkyklios paideia, meaning "general education," or "well-rounded education." In a general reference book with almost no size constraints, almost anything can be included. In any case, most of the contributions of everyone participating in this thread are uncited. As Jesus said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." --Primetime 01:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Official policy -> Wikipedia is not a slang and idiom guide. Almost anything could be included, except that we choose not to include some material. The idea that because not everything is cited that nothing needs to be cited is faulty logic, and would result in the policy being meaningless.  -Will Beback 01:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your argument that because it's a policy, it's right, is faulty as well. --Primetime 01:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So are you saying that none of the policies matter? Noe WP:CITE, WP:NOR, WP:NOT? I don't understand your reasoning. However, if you wish to have those polices changed or revoked, this is not the place to do so. Until they are changed or revoked, we should try to comply with them as they are. -Will Beback 01:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. I am saying that they aren't meant to be enforced in all circumstances. This is an example of a spirit of the law (i.e., an intent of the lawmaker--or in this case--the policy maker). This illustrates the difference between a rule and a regualtion. A rule is an interpretation of a regulation. All regulations have to be interpreted because life is too complex to regulate. To live one's life based on regulations makes one a simpleton. For example, a police officer will not write a person a ticket for jaywalking, except when the person is almost hit by a car. The reason is that the law is designed to discourage reckless jaywalking. The police officer's practice is his own rule of thumb. --Primetime 01:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Again, use your common sense. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. The word encyclopedia comes from the Greek words enkyklios paideia, meaning "general education," or "well-rounded education." In a general reference book with almost no size constraints, almost anything can be included. Further, most of the contributions of everyone participating in this thread are uncited. As Jesus said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." In any case, it's not enough for you to simply criticize what has been written. You have to give a detailed alternative to convince me to sign on. --Primetime 01:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quoting Jesus in this matter won't help, he is not a Wikipedian. The alternative is to have an article that is verifiable and sourced, and that follows Wikipedia policies. Have you read WP:NOT? Do you acknowledge its existence? What alternative are you suggesting?   ;) -Will Beback 01:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, you pushed the issue, so the burden of proof is on you--and you have to give a detailed alternative to convince me to sign on. --Primetime 01:58, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The burden of proof is on any editor who wishes to keep the current, unsourced info. -Will Beback 02:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Can you explain the difference between your point and Will's?  Why wouldn't you doubt material which cannot be verified?  WP:V and WP:CITE are policy, not guidelines.  While this policy is not uniformly enforced, if we want to have any shred of credibility, we cannot have material which cannot be verified.  Guettarda 05:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not in favour of keeping stuff that cannot be verified, only keeping stuff that hasn't been verified yet. Andjam 11:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an interesting position - how do you tell the difference between the two ;) Guettarda 14:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:V]] and [[WP:CITE]] 

message: An editor just added back these unreferenced entries, which have each been tage as needing sources for several days, and which have been listed on this page as unsourced.:
*10% Off 
*1/4 
*1/16 or 16'er 
Please provide your sources or they will be removed again. -Will Beback 02:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding unsourced material 

message: Californios - Some Hispanics in Cal. whose ancestors never "crossed the border, but it crossed us" prefer this ethnic terminology. Same goes with Hispanos of New Mexico and Tejanos of Texas, but cultural experts agree they qualified as Mexican-Americans. Only a small portion of the Hispanics living  there  have a single ancestor who settled in the region we call the Southwest U.S. between 1600 to 1850. Mexico could as well regain the lost lands in the Mexican war (1846-48) and Texas revolt of 1836. It made me wonder the 75,000 or more "new Americans" are deeply loyal to the U.S. in the 1850 census, or history would been different. + 207.200.116.13 13:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Among The first Americans? 

message: Greetings. I made some changes to the word gook. I got my info from real Korean and Vietnam War veterans I know. You can talk to some veterans about it at American Legion halls or VFW halls about the word. They never heard of it originally used for Filipinos. 
I also got this info about migook, hangook, and han quoc from some kyopos (Korean Americans) and Vietnamese I know. The meaning is more associated to Koreans and Vietnamese in the Korean War and Vietnam War out of ignorance than in the Philippine American War in the early 1900’s where many of those later veteran’s parents weren’t born yet. Later on it’s placed on all Asians except for Japanese who are called “Japs” or “Jappos" casually.
I never heard of the word “gugus” in tagalog meaning "tutelary spirit" or whatever the heck that is from the original meaning in wikipedia. I never heard of any Vietnam veterans I know or my former high school math teacher (a Korean War veteran) derive any word from tagalog or 120 ethnolinguistic languages from the Philippines for gook. There’s a word in tagalog spelled “gugo” which is a kind of vine or shampoo used in washing hair or “guguan” which is a verb to clean hair. There’s also two other words in tagalog called “gugol” which means expenses and “gugulan” which is a verb meaning “to finance” or “invest money”. -James 07:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I changed the definition of the word Gook back to what I originally wrote. Someone completely rewrote what I changed. Filipinos and Japanese were never called gooks by American troops. American troops had good praises to the Filipinos because of their fight against the Japanese during WW2 (from what WW2 veterans told me) and Japanese were called “Japs”, and “Nips” during WW2. There’s no documentation, movies, cartoons or propaganda poster that uses the words “gook” for Filipinos and Japanese during the Philippine American War and World War 2. I’ve seen the racist posters from these wars before and I haven’t seen the word "gook" for Filipinos or Okinawan/Japanese. Some of the WW2 posters were drawn by Dr. Seuss. It came from the Korean War and Vietnam War because it more likely came from the words "HanGook"=Korean Country and "MiGook"=Beautiful country and Vietnamese have a word "Han Quoc" for country . I'll come back from time to time in case someone changes again what I originally wrote. -James 07:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed a word's meaning 

message: ; Chosenjin : (Japan) Derogatory term used for Koreans  (citation requested at User talk:168.103.235.154)
;Snow Flake (2) : (U.S.) an offensive term for jews, stemming from how ashes would fall from the crematoriums. (citation requested at User talk:67.165.74.183)
;Branch Manager : (U.S.) Offensive term for blacks (Monkeys manage trees.) (citation requested at User talk:67.165.74.183)
Guettarda 20:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted a change, so I don't need to source anything. --Primetime 02:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone needs to source it. If nobody does then it should be removed. -Will Beback 22:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

text: - citations requestion from User talk:130.216.191.183 Guettarda 04:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: - citations requestion from User talk:70.29.238.100 Guettarda 04:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New unsourced additions 

message: Sometimes the term used to downgrade the offspring of American soldiers and Asian wives left behind after the Vietnam war. The majority of 'Amerasians' left Vietnam for the United States in the late 1970s. Most of them became adopted into foster families, others found their long lost fathers. The world heard about Amerasians lived in squalor, blamed for stealing shop items, begged for money in the streets, and reunified Vietnam under the Communists harassed them. Amerasian also means any Asian born of an U.S. soldier and a local mother (i.e. Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Filipino or Thai). + 207.200.116.13 13:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amerasians 

message: ;Bjork : An Icelander, in allusion to their most popular pop-songstress.✗
;Britch : (International) a pejorative term for British women.✗
;Butter Stinker : (Ancient Japan) A European. Derived from the fact that at the time, the traditional Japanese diet was not as rich in dairy prodcts as was the European diet. The Japanese would claim that the Europeans stank of butter.✓
;Cocksauce : A white person.✗
;Dreamcatcher : Native Americans.✗
;Dumb Dutchman : (Anglo-Celtic Pennsylvanians) A Pennsylvania German, "Dutch" being corrupted from the Pennsylvania German self-descriptive word Deitsch✓
Can we get some consensus on eliminating this nonsense?  For example, Europeans couldn't even take butter to the orient before the development of commercial refrigeration.  Hardly ancient.  Additionally, adding "Dumb" in front of any ethnic group's name may produce an insult, but this can be done with any ethnicity and is hardly and ethnic slur.  This is a crazy, having to cut BS by committee. 155.84.57.253 22:52, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. What we do is add a  tag to the entries in question and give them some time to be verified. Give me a couple of days and I will go to a library to check out the slurs. If I can't find any info on them, then they're probably unverifiable. --Primetime 22:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The following nonsense terms

message: In Pennsylvania, the term "Dumb Dutchman" is hardly nonsense, though not heard nearly as often as in past generations.  The Wikipedia article on Pennsylvania German people says that they are also known as "Pennsylvania Dutch" and "Pennsylvania Deitsch."  I am of heavily Pennsylvania German ancestry and should know about what is meant by a "Dumb Dutchman."  The name reflected a dated stereotype of the ethnic group as being simple-minded and uneducated.  Today there are Pennsylvania Germans in all walks of life.
But the word 'dumb' can be attatched to any ethnicity to make it seem inferior, and that is why I believe the above thought it a nonsense term. Any person who knows the word dumb and the ethnicity Dutch can derive the meaning of 'Dumn Dutchman' whereas most slurs have an etymology, i.e. a history and evolution of the word that makes it not part of modern english.
:I'm not Pennsylvania Dutch, but the phrase "dumb Dutchman" gets far fewer Google hits than "dumb Norwegian", after adjusting for the home country's population (652/16,300,000 for the Netherlands, 617/4,640,000 for Norway). The same adjusted statistic puts "dumb Dane" about even with "dumb Dutchman". "Dumb Belgian", "dumb Frenchman" and "dumb German" lag behind. My statistics could be refined using immigrant totals, but I don't think the result would change much. Art LaPella 18:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dumb Dutchman 

message: There's a lot of overlap with Offensive terms per nationality.  Perhaps the pages should be merged, if they can't maintain their own distinction. Schizombie 05:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: differentiate this page more

message: MELANZANA - the Italian word for "eggplant" used in places like New York and Philadelphia as a mild slur for blacks.
Sugar Mama - a big, heavy black woman.  Takes Diabeneze when her blood sugar gets high.
Those are definitely two that need to be added to this very fine list.
:What are our sources for these additions? -Will Beback 06:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two new ethnic slurs that need to be added 

message: I just read this definition, and as a Spanish-language student, I find it ridiculous to assert that it has the same meaning as nigger. It's the only term we actually use to refer to Indians in my classes and it's used in many published Spanish media. I also checked several dictionaries and couldn't find any derrogratory connotation, although it does appear to be politically incorrect. It appears as if recent emphasis has been on calling Indians indígenas, much like in the last decade, it's become politically incorrect to call Negroes Negroes in the U.S. However, it's important to realize that Latin Americans think and talk in more racially-oriented terms than do Americans. I'm correcting the definition now.--Primetime 12:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indio 

message: I have deleted this entry, which assumed that the term targets African American men. While I have no reason to doubt that J. Edgar Hoover applied the term to Martin Luther King, it's still just a standard American term for a skirt-chaser or male adulterer, with no particular racial or ethnic connotation. The term is perhaps more often encountered as a verb ("He was out tomcatting again last night.") See these dictionary entries, or for instance the 2001 movie Tomcats.  66.241.86.57 17:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tomcat 

message: I should clarify that when I ask for a citation on this, I am not asking for information on the Three Fifths Compromise, but for any citation that will give credence to the use of "3/5" or "Three Fifther" (as I assume it was meant to be spelled) as a racial slur. It seems highly unlikely that this tongue-twister has ever been a folk term, and the alleged origin is rather precious and bookish for a down-and-dirty slur. It has all the earmarks of something concocted for one inventor's amusement (not necessarily, I hasten to add, by the person who posted it here) and unless some authority can be given for it being in actual use, I propose to delete it. 66.241.86.57 18:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in the Racial Slur Database  and in the Urban Dictionary . Should we ask for more, though?--Primetime 18:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both the RSD and UD are wide open to anyone who wants to make anything up, no authority required and in these cases none given. They aren't even necessarily corroboration, since copying may have happened in any direction. The only thing interesting I find about these two is the second pair of definitions in the UD. It suggests something that might be pronounced "three/five" and might be derived from a radio code or school grade and feels less pat and made up; it isn't an ethnic slur, though. Don't get me wrong, I don't put any weight on my subjective opinion of what looks phony and don't expect anyone else to. But our page (and pages like the RSD and UD) are undoubtedly magnets for people who just want to have a little politically incorrect fun (see the tags after the first UD entry, and our own page's history), so I think we ought to have some authority behind a citation. If not a dictionary or slang dictionary, verifiable usages in music or fiction. Something better than a mere claim it's out there. 66.241.86.57 21:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3/5 or "Three Fither" 

message: A likely candidate for deletion, I just don't have the references handy to justify it at this moment. As so often happens on this page, a general term is given a phony ethnic twist. "Shit kicker," "hayseed," "hick," etc. are probably applied more often to whites by numerical default, but they aren't ethnic slurs and can be used for any country bumpkin. (Even the geographical bound given for "shit kicker" is false; the term in used and understood all over the U.S., as you would expect from its obvious reference to the pedal hazard of working in a cow field, chicken farm, etc.) "Hillbilly" is different; it is more narrowly targeted at what might be considered ethnic groups. 66.241.86.57 17:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shit Kicker 

message: I have corrected the former definition of "Shylock" as simply "a Jew," as if it were used like "Kike." It's never used like that. It is a term for a usurer or loan shark. Originally, Jewishness was an important part of the concept, and the term may belong on this list for historical reasons. But in current use it has no particular Jewish connotation, and despite the work I have done on this entry, I would have no objection to its deletion. 66.241.86.57 17:59, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. While I cannot back up the assertion with citable data, it is my personal experience that the word is more commonly used to refer to a loan shark, regardless of the lender's ethnicity. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shylock 

message: Sinbad - similar in meaning to Osama
Uncle Ben - referring to Black people, from the character traditionally appearing on packets 
Chacha - meaning Uncle in Hindi/Punjabi a slur against Black people
I also noticed the inclusion of some Indian terms such as Kalla (Black) and Gora (White) which are commonly used and less derogatory than terms such as Pooth, meaning Demon and used either on its own or as Kalla Pooth (Black Demon).
Others include Bandar (Monkey) and Thuva which is a heavy ,black, cast iron flat pan used to cook roti (chappati).
:Would you be able to write those Hindi terms using Devanagari characters so I can look them up? Of course, if you know of a Hindi dictionary that lists them, you can just tell us the name of it and I'll add them with the book named. Thanks, Primetime 18:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Ethnic Slurs 

message: Either a religious, ethnic or regional slur for Utahns of the Mormon faith. Stereotyped as white Anglo, Middle American, deeply religious, conservative, frigid, narrow-minded, traditional, goody-goody, okaly-dokaly, diddly-doodly and stuff. The term 'moron' is silly, but disparaging if one used directly on Mormons. Anyone who went to Utah like myself has a better idea of what Utah is, the Mormon influence on state culture and stereotypes of their polygamy, don't like parties, dislikes crosses, talks on 'lost tribes' or won't touch a soda, are stereotypes. Not every 'moron' are like this or that, nor deserved to get called 'morons'.+207.200.116.13 13:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Mor(m)ons'