Talk:Chernobyl New Safe Confinement

message: This article really needs more recent sources, I have contacted the EBRD and NRC for more information, and neither group has been particularly helpful, a person local to the area or involved in the design/construction/management of the new shelter would be able to provide the best current information. Even just a recent picture of the site around Unit 4 would shed a lot of light on what the SIP is actually doing there. --Matthew 20:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I recently ran across this article regarding the progress in constructing the NSC- Perhaps it is of some use for the article?LondonIce 14:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: I can see someone has said there is too much detail, but I dont see any comments here in the talk page. I personally dont find the level of detail to be excessive, and I'd be inclined to remove the tag. I think that it may need updated information but I like the content (more or less)  Ottawakismet (talk) 19:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No further remarks in last 18 months.  Let's do it.  Tag removed. SkoreKeep (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  too much detail tag 

message: Do you think this shelter will ever be built? I am afraid the money will never be there for this ambitious project and the original sarcophagus will remain in place until it collapses some 20 years from now. Many dates mentioned in this article have already passed and not a bucket of mud has been moved yet. 195.70.32.136 10:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Being that construction has officially begun for the foundation and superstructure of the NSC, as well as the reinforcement of the old containment structure, I think this point can be removed. Sagath (talk) 17:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utopia? 

message: accroding to the article both end walls will be in place before the structure is moved into its finial position. given this how exactly do they plan to put it over the reactor? Plugwash 19:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I cant find anywhere in the article that explains how they will do the end walls. Anybody knows? And also, when the stucture has been slid into place, how will they "seal" it to the ground? 192.38.5.154 (talk) 01:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would assume they will do what they can during construction away from the reactor, and whatever remains after the arch is moved into place.  At the moment there is also a wall of concrete blocks to dampen radiation; obviously it will have to be dismantled, as well as the trademark vent stack.  As for sealing, the edges of the arch ride through concrete lined trenches; I imagine the trenches will be filled in more or less permanently. SkoreKeep (talk) 04:36, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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message: Perhaps a more recent image from Google Earth would help show this place in perspective
--Psquare 06:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Earth? 

message: The term Design Basis Accident is used by the US NRC, however I do not believe that the Soviet Regulatory authority used this term or the concept of a DBA. Is the term "Design Basis Accident" appropriate in this context?Jkrellenstein 01:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. We should at least explain specifically what it means, if we do retain it. —BurnDownBabylon 23:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does it mean? 192.38.5.154 (talk) 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the term "Design Basis Accident"

message: http://en.rian.ru/world/20080304/100599299.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tronza (talk • contribs) 12:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repairing has started says russian newspaper

message: this article seriously needs some pictures hornplayer2 (talk) 06:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chernobyl25 site has some great ones that can be worked in to the article. I'll try to do so when I get some time, unless someone beats me to it? http://chernobyltwentyfive.org/image Sagath (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: References this group were added on 17 July by  without any sources.  A google search for this group turns up nothing except references back to this Wikipedia article and others updated by the same anonymous user.  I suggest undoing the changes if no supporting sources can be found.  Similar edits were also made to Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant‎ and New Safe Confinement.  -- Tcncv (talk) 15:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukritiye International 

message: The text in the section headed "International Competition" seems to be rather bitter in tone that us poor Brits got left out after coming up with such a wonderful plan. 
Perhaps it needs a bit of tidying up. It's certainly someone's personal view and nothing more.
Chulk607 (talk) 20:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obviously bitter none-neutral commentary? 

message: 88.104.85.75 has made the point that the history of the sliding design should be further explicated, and proceeds to add paragraphs about the British design.  I whole-heartedly bolster his rationale, but without documentation it, unfortunately, won't fly; there's just too much open space for conjecture, as well as just flat being against the rules for any encyclopedia.  I'd leave it for perhaps a week, requesting that he gentleman pony up some references which back up the story, and remove the opening rationale paragraph for something more straight-forward. Being an engineer myself, I'm well aware of the sorts of emotions winning/loosing a major contract can engender (let alone an international one, which I never had to go through), and I also know that lots of really interesting details about design get lost in the mash.  I encourage him to back up the story, because I too don't want the history lost.  Their paragraph:
Currently the containment arch for the damaged nuclear power station at Chernobyl is under construction. This has led to more articles and papers about the arch in addition to those already described in this feature. However, in all cases no mention is made about the origin of the sliding arch concept, although some do allude to the international competition of 1992/1993.
(Sorry for bumping in above the German comment below; I thought these two comments needed to be together.) SkoreKeep (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  British add-ons to design section 

message: This article could be a good starting point for a more up to date german article:
http://www.faz.net/artikel/C30950/reaktorruinen-kehraus-nach-der-kernschmelze-30334612.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.78.103.19 (talk) 07:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting point for German version 

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message: It says in the article "€2.15 billion (US$3.09 billion)". That section was added on 26 March 2015.  According to http://www.x-rates.com/historical/?from=USD&amount=1&date=2015-03-26 the Euro:Dollar rate that day was 1.091951. Neither then nor today does it make any sense that there's almost a 3:2 ratio between those two currencies. What gives? 2003:8C:4F25:52F7:B595:9FE2:F5F:811F (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: Comes 101.174.157.104 changing the date of completion from "it is 2017" to "it was 2016".  The two pre-existing citations (web page references only to the European Bank website) say "November 2017" in one place, and then in another: "In 2009, planned completion was projected for 2012; the same year, progress was made with stabilization of the existing sarcophagus, which was then considered stable enough for another 15 years. On February 2010 the reported completion date of the NSC was pushed back to 2013.[12] As of April 2011, the estimated completion date has been updated to Summer 2015.[3] In November 2016, the planned completion date was stated as November 2017."  No mention anywhere of a 2016 completion date. The change was probably true at some point, but that fact is not very enlightening, and is not backed by references. The currently published date is relatively much more important, and is backed up.
:While the NSC was moved into its final location in November 2016, there's still additional work that is going on that expected to be complete by the end of 2017. Their website states the following:
:Chernobyl’s giant New Safe Confinement (NSC) was moved over a distance of 327 metres from its assembly point to its final resting place, completely enclosing a previous makeshift shelter that was hastily assembled immediately after the 1986 accident.The equipment in the New Safe Confinement will now be connected to the new technological building which will serve as a control room for future operations inside the arch. The New Safe Confinement will be sealed off from the environment hermetically. Finally, after intensive testing of all equipment and commissioning, handover of the New Safe Confinement to the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant administration is expected in November 2017.http://www.ebrd.com/news/2016/unique-engineering-feat-concluded-as-chernobyl-arch-has-reached-resting-place.html
:Hope this clears it up. --Bassmadrigal (talk) 18:17, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me. SkoreKeep (talk) 23:51, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: From the Design & construction section: "Since the competition, the world has adopted the sliding arch concept but it now has members supporting a dismantling crane which was not a requirement for the 1992 competition."
I'm kind of baffled by this sentence, which comprises its own paragraph. Who is "the world"? Why do its "members" support a "dismantling crane" and why? When did this adoption happen? Where did this information come from? Does anyone mind if I just delete it? Liv * 18:39, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead, does not make much sense to me and is unreferenced. --Ita140188 (talk) 02:27, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Liv * 17:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The world? 

message: For style and readability, I've removed the  tag from most units of length in order to keep the article metric-only, as the article subject matter is set in a country that only uses SI units of measurement.
Alternately, if this were a non-scientific article about anything in the United States, then U.S. cusomary units can be used, along with the  template for readers from all countries of the world, and not just people from the U.S. -Mardus /talk 06:34, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree.  Isn't the dimensions of the shelter as important to the readers in the US as it is to, say, Brazilians?  Why is it a necessity to delete information from the article only because that information is only of use of the country that made a major, perhaps the largest, contribution to the completion of the shelter?  Is there some particular reason for this, beyond the fact that it streamlines the reading of the article for those who don't need that information?  I fully agree that metric ought to be universal, but the fact is it is not yet, and the conversion macro is there to be used. SkoreKeep (talk) 14:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

text: I also think that deletion is misguided. And I don't see this is necessarily a "scientific article". Where and how is that defined? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  SI units only 

message: Seems to me this fancy infographic is not very informative, and in fact is in error in at least one respect.  The cost of the project was approximately 2 billion dollars/euros; the infographic states 2.+ million euros.  SkoreKeep (talk) 04:18, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would add it shows the old removed vent stack rather than the newer added one, and it shows the other stack on the property leaning at an absurd angle - twice.   I see someone removed it. SkoreKeep (talk) 15:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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message: The new containment structure is described as being built of "high-strength steel," yet the yield strength quoted is only normal 36 ksi steel - which is rarely used nowadays, supplanted by stronger 50 ksi steel. Are there any sources for this, or for the many other unsourced assertions in the article? Acroterion (talk) 19:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  High-strength steel 

message: I've WP:BOLDly removed the "‎Russian invasion of Ukraine" section.  It didn't seem to contain any content specific to the New Safe Confinement, only to the Chernobyl site in general; and that content is much better covered at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant#2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, and easier to keep updated in one place.  Happy to discuss, but there didn't seem much purpose to this section as it stood.  Obviously if the New Safe Confinement was specifically affected by the invasion, that should be in the article.  TSP (talk) 10:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and added a small amount in the status part of the timeline about the Russian invasion. I tried to make it related to the NSC, but if it doesn't fit in the article, feel free to get rid of it. Cerluean (talk) 17:29, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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