Talk:Si vis pacem, para bellum

message: "In the 2004 film The Punisher, Frank Castle states that he learned the phrase in boot camp." 
I believe that was first used in comic book Punisher - Year One.
Cel 84 (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Culture

message: this phrase has been attributed to cicero, although i understand no work of his containing the phrase hase been discoverd..... should there be something about this here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.94.225 (talk) 00:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  cicero 

message: The name Publius was also used by all three authors of the federalist papers (John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison) while trying to convince the States to adopt the Constitution of the United States.  In these letters they refer to military strength being a absolutely necessity in order for the country to maintain peace and keep from being attacked and taken advantage of. if each state had its own military it would be weaker and could not work well together but one federal military would be stronger and more coordinated. They discuss this in letter #2 and #11 at least, but may refer to it in more of them I havent read them all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.120.226.227 (talk) 05:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Federalist Papers

message: Can it be argued that the motto "War is Peace" in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four is a literary reference to Si vis pacem, para bellum? --Delta1989 (talk/contributions) 13:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nineteen Eighty-Four 

message: May be trivia but some sources give the original quote from Vegetius as "Ergo qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum." Instead of "Igitur...". E.g. http://books.google.com/books?id=uKk9AAAAcAAJ&dq=De+Re+Militari pg. 58 or search for "Ergo qui defiderat" (use the f instead of s to compensate for the old font).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.143.16 (talk) 03:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2004 Oxford edition by M.D. Reeve has "igitur". "ergo" is not mentioned as a variant in its apparatus (p. 64). The abbreviations for ergo (go) and igitur (gi) look somewhat similar. Perhaps one was mistaken for the other in older editions. Iblardi (talk) 06:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Quote? 

message: External link to militaryimages.net results in an error message. Link can be accessed on archive.org. --216.46.173.36 (talk) 17:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. That link didn't seem useful anyway, so I removed it. I also removed the Merriam-Webster link, which also didn't seem useful. DoctorKubla (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Militaryimages.net 

message: Does it make sense that "Second Platoon of the 3° Corporal Course 2018" is present in the "Mottos" section?  Obviously someone from the Second Platoon of the 3° Corporal Course 2018 came here and made the presumption that it is notable.  It seems that this entry, as well as multiple others, should be removed. As it is, this section resembles a scrapbook.  Not sure at what level of organization and permanence that it becomes notable that a unit has assumed this motto, but this one certainly should go. --Petzl (talk) 08:27, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extremely small and transient groups are being included in the "Mottos" section 

message: I removed the following para:
In this case, Nazi Germany was preparing for war, because it wanted war, while Britain failed to prepare for war, because it wanted peace, making this irrelevant to the subject of the article, and section.
Moreover it was followed by matter concerning the US in 1907, which does not flow from something the inter-war years, so making the removed text doubly irrelevant.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough  18:23, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Si vis pacem, para pactum'' rm para

message: This seems to have been included as if it may have been an actual source for the sentiment, in the same way as Plato. Whereas, most people in Europe were, until modern times, only dimly aware of the existence of Chinese civilisation; and, of all its constituent intellects, probably only Confucius was able to be named, but only in the capacity of a vaguely-delineated "Oriental sage".
Nuttyskin (talk) 20:25, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...''and the Chinese Shi Ji''