Talk:2008 East Timorese assassination attempts

message: Of course, we don't really know what the people who carried out these attacks intended. It's difficult to imagine that they believed they could seize power considering the Australian presence. Is it appropriate to just assume the government's categorization of the attacks is accurate? Everyking (talk) 18:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, I didn't say it was for a peaceful purpose. I just don't think that it is 100% certain that what occurred was a coup attempt. As you yourself point out, it could have been an attempt to create a power vacuum, and there may be other possibilities. If we said "assassination attempts", nobody could doubt the accuracy of that. Everyking (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It's important to note here that the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability requires that all material be sourced before being added to articles. As such, please don't add any speculation to the article unless you can prove that it's entirely supported by a reliable source. --Nick Dowling (talk) 07:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, that means we can't call it an assassination attempt. 203.2.182.254 (talk) 23:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Intentions

message: One posibility, at least with Horta, it that it was a botched kidnapping attempt.  Plenty of quotes about assassination and/or coup but nothing about that.  All speculation until more info comes in.  let's not pre-emp the situation. Maias (talk) 02:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My argument is not that it was not a coup attempt. My argument is that saying this requires an assumption and relies on the government's explanation for what occurred, so it isn't an ideal title under the circumstances. I feel a better title would be "2008 East Timorese assassination attempts". Everyking (talk) 03:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It is definitely hypothesing and to be frank seems a little simplistic to me. How successful a coup attempt like this would be remains unclear since no attempts were made to kill FRETILIN leaders, specifically Mari Bim Amude Alkatiri who are after all the primary enemies of the rebels as far as we know and would likely have been the ones to step in in the event of a power vacuum, not the rebels. Nil Einne (talk) 15:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It is «unclear»? Give me a yes or no answer: you BELIEVE Reinado could defeat the Australians and take over power? You consider that a possibility? He would have to do that, don't you know? And what has the killing of FRETILIN members to do with this? Or are you trying to say that the FRETILIN hired Reinado to shoot Xanana? (if it is so, than Reinado was, anyway, just commiting murder, not trying to take over power. That helps my statement that he was not staging a coup...)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.5.48 (talk) 19:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: "Assasination attempt" is currently only an allegation, not a verifiable fact. 203.2.182.254 (talk) 06:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: True, however it is the common name. --Nick Dowling (talk) 08:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it is disputed it should probably not be the title...can anyone think of something better? Everyking (talk) 10:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it really is disputed (eg, as the current title is inline with WP:NAME) and moving it for a second time would mess up the redirects. --Nick Dowling (talk) 10:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps 2008 East Timorese political attacks. Or we leave as is for now, even though it may be incorrect, pending new information and/or new developments, as whatever we use now may not stand the test of time. Nurg (talk) 02:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that there's no generally accepted version of events yet the current title does the job. The Sydney Morning Herald today is reporting that a preliminary UN police report has concluded that it was probably a botched kidnapping attempt, but that could change further as it remains unclear what exactly Reinado was trying to achieve and the investigation is ongoing. --Nick Dowling (talk) 03:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It's a bit general - it sounds more like it would describe the last crisis than this one. It's going to be a hard case until there's some official report on what was actually happening. Rebecca (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, let's wait, hwever the UN priliminary findings state that this was a deliberate attempt to kill them both. But let's wait. The Ogre (talk) 23:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An possibility that occurred to me is "Shooting of Jose Ramos-Horta". Of course, that excludes the apparent abortive attack on Gusmao, but the shooting of Ramos-Horta is the main event. And nobody can dispute that he was shot, so the POV issue disappears. Everyking (talk) 05:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of article

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