Talk:Killing in the Name

message: I got halfway in putting in one of those number 1 navigation boxes on when the article was edited mercilessly like a zillion times. When will the chaos end! Regards, FM [ talk to me | show contributions ]  19:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I don't want to extend the mention of racism in law enforcement too much here. the prev. version did not clearly state the issue that is raised in the lyrics. k. CrackityKzz 20:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: June 2006

message: i dont think the song's genre should be classified as "heavy metal"... it is something else (though im not quite sure myself)
- i'm thinking rapcore. ~daniel
*Eh, heavy metal is close enough. Take away Zack and RAGM would clearly be classified as heavy metal. No point really arguing over the genrea though cos they fit into a kazillion different ones
*I think this is probably their most metal-like song, but it still uses rapping. Xunflash 19:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: genre?

message: Did anyone else realize that when RAGM played "Killing in the Name" at Woodstock '99 that Zack de la Rocha changed the lyrics of the 2nd verse to "Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches," instead of "burn crosses" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.200.183.155 (talk) 00:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyric Change 

message: I believe I have cleaned up the article to an acceptable standard.
All that needs adding are a few sources which I am working on but its hard to do here as I'm at school and we have limited internet access.
I shouldf have them done by tonight.
Aspeas 11:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I think there should be an explanation of the lyrics. The message the song brings is after all very important to them.
Thomas271104 19:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of the lyrics 

message: I've checked on the iTunes Store AND on Zune Marketplace where they BOTH list the song as "Killing in the Name".
So when did "Killing in the Name of" become the correct title?
I ask this because a recent edit by 24.151.142.148 (talk) says otherwise.
Was the song by Kansas EVER called "Carry On MY Wayward Son"? Last I check it was called "Carry On Wayward Son".
Might I added that if "Killing in the Name of" is the correct title, then why would the song be listed as "Killing in the Name" in Guitar Hero II?
Sorry to rant on, but stuff like this does get annoying. lightsup55 ( T | C ) 03:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Killing in the Name of" - correct title? Since when? 

message: As this is an actual single, we need details adding of when it was released, as well as a tracklisting section with each song named. The opening paragraph is very confusing regarding B-sides and a re-release, and I don't want to change it since I can't work out what it intends to say. Can anyone help? Kristmace (talk) 14:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single details 

message: The singles official release date was the November of 1992 we all know that. But if you look at the revision history of the page you'll see that there have been multiple changes to the songs release date. Unless a good reference is provided to confirm the exact day, just leave it as it is. In November alone we've had 6th of November, most recently 10th of November and others. For goodness sake, please just leave it has November.
And to admins, if you see anyone else change the release date in future without good reason, can you please ban them forever??!! If you look at the history of the page you'll see that the release date has been changed several times. I propose a semi-protection so that no IPs can edit it. --Sky Attacker (talk) 21:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: The article is written  for people who already know the song. But wikipedia has an international audience! Can someone expalin more clearly why it was controversial and provoked a lot of complaints! Johncmullen1960 (talk) 10:32, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some editors may be attempting to sanitize the article and avoid the swear words. The article should not be censored but there is no need to repeat the controversial lyrics over and over again in the article, once should be enough. -- Horkana (talk) 16:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: serious ommission

message: Any expert editors know the correct process for getting a short sound sample included in an article? Would be nice to have 10-20 seconds of the guitar riff included. -- Horkana (talk) 16:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you User:Mattgirling. -- Horkana (talk) 02:04, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No probs – does it work OK?  It doesn't in my browser, but I seem to remember having to install XiphQT in the past (which I don't have on this machine).  matt (talk) 10:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I rarely use sound, but I've got a huge list of codecs installed, not sure what's going on. I assumed it was a simple flash based player. Works for me. -- Horkana (talk) 14:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound sample? 

message: Nowt to do with the article of course, but anyone wishing to celebrate this festive achievement might be interested in this new userbox: . Fences&Windows 22:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Userbox

message: This is in the intro but not followed up on anywhere else in the article. What political parties? What did they say?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It originally said "...provoked commentary from both parties...", which I added.  It was changed by User:Longwayround here, with a summary of "Changed both -> political parties. The UK has more than two significant political parties".  Just a misunderstanding of the wording – it's got nothing to do with politics – "both parties" refers to RATM and Joe McElderry/X-Factor, not any political parties.  Whether or not this means other people have been confused as well I don't know, but this should be considered.  For the time-being, I have reverted.  matt (talk) 00:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I changed the wording to "both groups" to avoid any further potential for confusion. -- Horkana (talk) 19:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The campaign provoked commentary from political parties" 

message: Not true - see this BBC story from several years back -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "But under new rules, downloads can be counted as long as physical copies go on sale the following week"
 I don't think this is a requirement any more... Nouse4aname (talk) 09:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

text: It isn't.  The fact remains though, that "Crazy" reached the number one spot based on downloads alone.  So it is not accurate to state that KITN was the first song to reach the number one spot based on downloads alone.  The correct thing to state would be that KITN was the first song to reach the number one spot based on downloads alone where there were no plans for it to be physically released at all.  Only in a less wordy fashion :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're right... "KITN was the first song to reach the number one spot based on downloads alone, with no physical release." Nouse4aname (talk) 09:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I've had it pointed out to me that Leona Lewis' version of "Run" also got to number one without ever being released physically, so even my quote in bold above isn't true.  I think what the news people are (badly) trying to convey is that KITN is the first back catalogue song to be picked up and reach number one due to downloads without any official form of re-release.  Or something. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On Radio 1's chart show Scott Mills described it as the first song to get to Christmas number one on without a physical release. I think the news people may have picked up on that incorrectly. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "First number one single on downloads only" 

message: Itwas claimed on radio 1 at the time that this was the UK's first everdownload only christmas number 1. Is this a notable point and doesanyone have any sources for it beyond the announcement on radio 1?130.88.108.187 (talk) 15:57, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry ithad already been added since I last checked the article130.88.108.187 (talk) 15:59, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Moved this section up beside the previous section discussing ~ first ever download only number one ~ -- Horkana (talk) 14:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  first ever download only christmas number one 

message: Wikipedia aims to be an encylcopedia and WP:NOTNEWS. With that in mind I've removed the blow by blow account of the predictions in the run up to the number 1. They do show that RATM was the underdog, then ahead, then again X Factor was the favourite but there has to be a better way succinctly summarize the ups and downs of the campaign. 
(It is interesting to note some of the earlier comments by McElderry about RATM but there are plenty of later comments that were less contentiousness and everyone was pretty magnanimous about the campaign setting it up as against X Factor rather than against McElderry or Cowell individually, but again that isn't especially encyclopedic.)
I also made efforts to shorten the list of celebrity supporters limiting it to Dave Grohl and Liam Howlett, as two prominent examples and then McCartney as both a notable example a counterpoint from someone loosely involved with the X Factor. 
 Oh and here's a link to a previous revision just a little before I started taking chunks out of that section. -- Horkana (talk) 14:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not News 

message: I'm not sure how notable a cover should be before including it. I think a song having been released is a good sign it is notable. A certain amount of press coverage too helps establish notability. I'm not so sure about unreleased live performances, but sometimes press coverage can be enough. I would really like to include the Soprano singer covering Killing in the Name because it think it is a very interesting interpretation but I don't think it meets the notability requirements. I'm including here some other cover versions which I don't think meet notability either but sources might become available later or they might become more notable. 
* In December 2009, electronic music producer Deadmau5 produced a remix of the song for his New Years UK tour as an homage to the The X Factor controversy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2QTIp7bloA  
* The popular abridging group Teamfourstar made a cover of the song called "Killing in the Nappof" on Christmas of 2009 http://www.tfsabridged.com/download/KillingInTheNappof.zip (news article on front page as of Jan 2010 has the embedded video)
:I'd say kill the Teamfourstar one right out, I can't find anything that suggests the band is at all notable, never mind a cover (likely spam too). Deadmau5 may deserve a chance assuming the notability ref can be found, a YouTube link doesn't cut it. To be honest though, both are just covers to milk the X Factor thing and in a month will be totally forgotten about, they're not exactly significant covers in any way, would need some damn good refs to stay in my opinion. Rehevkor ✉ 03:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Having a look around myself, I was unable to find any viable sources for the Deadmau5 mention, at least those accessible through a Google search. Rehevkor ✉ 04:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I meant to delete those from the article once I'd noted them here in case there was any question over the delete. Thanks for removing them. I'd say these two are unlikely to become notable but it seems only fair to give editors who make a good faith edit the chance to find proper references. -- Horkana (talk) 15:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More covers 

message: One or more editors has been adding claims that in Chile this song is sometimes performed with verses replaced with alternative lyrics. It is difficult to WP:VERIFY this and even harder to say if it is WP:NOTABLE. I mention it here as it seems to have been added in good faith. Perhaps it will be easier for readers who understand Spanish to judge the quality of the sources provided and possibly find better ones. For now the claim seems too dubious to include. -- Horkana (talk) 21:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yar. The Youtube link is way out as a source. The other I put through Babel Fish to get a minor understanding of it and it only mentioned the alt lyrics at the end with zero background on them. It seems to be some sort of blog so it'd be unreliable as a source anyway. Rehevkor ✉ 14:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chile 

message: The article lead mentions the song is sometimes incorrectly listed as "Killing in the Name Of". The lead should summarize information in the article. This is not mentioned anywhere in the body of the article and there is no citation to back it up. It does help discourage misguided editors who try to "fix" the song title in the article but it shouldn't really be there and bothers me. (The presumptive use of the acronym RATM without having first having properly explained the long form Rage Against The Machine (RATM) doesn't help either.) I leave it for now but I'm looking for a second opinion, or maybe an editor who might want to find a citation to show this misinterpretation of the title is notable enough to mention somewhere in the article. -- Horkana (talk) 22:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See also above section "Killing in the Name of" - correct title? Since when? -- Horkana (talk) 12:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  More than a decade later people are still adding it back to the article without giving any good reason for it. -- 109.78.207.105 (talk) 03:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killing in the Name Of 

message: Amazon have released sales charts for various sections and for the mp3 section, Killing in the Name of, is the best selling single, here is a source http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/mamma-mia--beats-harry-potter-to-amazon%E2%80%99s-bestselling-dvd-ever-154132631.html
I'm going be bold and just add it to the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Technotopia (talk • contribs) 21:05, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Eah.. I'd say it shouldn't be there. Per Wikipedia:BADCHARTS#Deprecated_charts charts of individual sellers (like iTunes) aren't really used. And it's not the best selling MP3 of all time, just the best selling on the UK Amazon.. so only really covers a small section of the world anyway. Яehevkor ✉ 21:25, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best selling single on Amazon UK 

message: This article lists the runtime for "Darkness of Greed" at 4:09. I don't think that's accurate. Charles Essie (talk) 19:28, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Darkness of Greed

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message: In approximately 2021 the Infobox image was changed for no apparent reason. The famous image of a buddhist monk setting himself on fire was replaced with a different cover image, a red line drawing on a white background. If any reason or explanation was ever given for this change was ever given I cannot find it. There should have been at least a discussion before it was changed and preferably consensus for any change. 
The famous original image that was used before (see this archive copy "Killing in the Name") needs to be restored. -- 109.77.200.112 (talk) 21:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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