Talk:Destrier

message: 20 to 24 hands tall? Isn't that just a little bit questionable?
Based on general observations of medieval art, the success of the Arab and the Spanish Barb, the conflicts between the Crusading knights and the Muslims, and some reading, I'm thinking the trained warhorse was probably somwhere in the vicinity of 14.5 to 16 hands max, with a bias to the lower end.
Who knows, though? I for one would like to see some archeological evidence and scholarly studies on the matter.
Should articles relating to knights include a few lines to help fight the image of the knight being lifted onto their horse with a crane? The heavy end of armours starts to top out around 80lbs, and throw in that most knights often rode one horse to a battlefield, and mounted another (this is not true for all warriors that fought from horseback, but seems to be common. A massive plow horse aren't needed, the issue of a horses strength being more important for quickly changing direction, shouldering against other horses, and trampling foot soldiers. The amount of force from the horse itself put into the lance in a charge is actually rather minor, (Charging someone while riding a light horse isn't much different in force than from a large one at the same speed, the issue of height however is a factor)--Talroth 02:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you actually read the article, you would see that we settled this particular issue about 9 months ago.  And yes, you basically are on the right track, we found source material.  Sorry to be a bit terse, but this was a long, tough round of reviewing research to figure it out, especially the problem of separating rumor and myth from what is acually verifiable... Montanabw(talk) 22:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on the article

message: As pointed out above, this article is in need of some work.  I will weed out the inaccuracies and uncited POV comments, etc, and try and organise some framework.  We've got more information across at Talk:Horses in warfare#sandbox for revisions, some of which might be brought across.  I hope no one is offended if I seem a bit ruthless in my reoganisation, but even accurate stuff lacks coherency, perhaps because there have been so many editors. Gwinva 12:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been reorganised and (hopefully) corrected now. Other than formatting, I have done nothing with the discussion on cost; I assume it is accurate. Gwinva 21:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improving the article

message: Hey Warlander, I think we are on the same page here that this article could use a lot of improvement.  I'm behind you in your efforts.  May want to do the following:  
#Review WP:V, WP:RS and WP:CITE for sourcing guidelines.  Be fun if this article could be brought up to the Good Article standard!
#Take a peek at Horses in the Middle Ages (HiMA to us who worked on it) and Horses in warfare (nickname HiW) as examples of the above; also as sources for material that can be used to upgrade this article.  Both have had input from people who know their medieval studies.  
And good luck!  Montanabw(talk) 22:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvement 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: To write that 12 solidi was $4336.19 is ridiculous. Any such calculation is at very best an estimate, say, between $4000 and $5000. However, the idea that this has any real meaning over 600 years is not really sustainable. The comparison with the price of a cow gives one as good abn idea as one can hope of the value of a Destrier.
:Removed.--217.155.32.221 (talk) 22:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Value for money 

message: I added a  tag to the reference for equivalent to "seven normal coursers". In the reference (it's on page 238) destriers and other horses are grouped together ("destriers et autre chevaux") for the tournament marshals to agree rates of hire; the types are not differentiated by value.--217.155.32.221 (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Another ref added, covering a similar point. --217.155.32.221 (talk) 12:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless anybody disagrees I'll trim the old reference.--217.155.32.221 (talk) 12:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Replaced--217.155.32.221 (talk) 22:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price in C13 

message: In the section "Value of quality war horses" the material relating to weregild under Salic Law is a direct quote from a copyrighted work, but not sourced. Unfortunately it actually comes from a deprecated source—the self-publishing firm Lulu.com—so it couldn't just have the missing ref tacked on. I deleted it.--217.155.32.221 (talk) 21:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material from self-published source