Talk:Hurva Synagogue

message: Why is it that so little of the information in this article is accurate? The Ramban Synagogue, while indeed below the Hurva, is a separate synagogue. It was founded by followers of Yehudah HaHasid, but it was in the eighteenth century, if memory serves me correct. Etc. etc. etc. I wish I had my texts here with me for precise info, but right now, this is very wrong. Danny 05:20, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccurate?

message: The Jordanian commander on the scene is reported to have told his superiors: "For the first time in 1,000 years, there's not a single Jew left in the Jewish Quarter, and not a single building that hasn't been damaged. This will make the return of Jews here impossible."
This passage is unsourced... and the only references I can find for it on the web appear to be lifted from this page... wikipedia mirrors, one blog and one discussion forum. I suggest removing it unless it can be properly cited. 128.232.240.178 21:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in the several Haaretz articles below. Btw, did anyone notice the similarities to the speech of Amon Goth in Schindler's list ? Evil is evil. 
                       
"They trundled their belongings into 
this city, they settled, they took 
hold, they prospered.
For six centuries, there has been a 
Jewish Cracow. (<->"For the first time in 1,000 years, there's not a single Jew left in the Jewish Quarter")
By this weekend, those six centuries, 
they're a rumor. They never happened. 
Today is history." 
Amoruso 12:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jordanian commander??

message: I think the quotes here are way too long (and end up being boring). I would summarize them in a few sentences.--Gilabrand 10:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please have a go – (maybe the boxes themselves are inappropriate as well?) - I'll see what I make of your improvements! Chesdovi 15:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have modified one of the boxes. What do you think? I will try to do the same with the description of the shul but would like to retain most of it as it is a very comprehensive account which I think is important to have. Chesdovi 20:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: * Were Flags of the Jewish Legion hung in the Hurva?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.89 (talk) 14:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jewish legion]] Flags

message: The following eludicated quote of Abdullah el Tell is reprinted in The Complete Idiot's Guide to Jerusalem, by Jeffers, H. Paul. Alpha Books, 2004, p.164. . Not being a RS, if anyone has his original memoris (in English?) (The Calamity of Palestine, the memoirs of Abdallah al-Tall, (Arabic), Cairo 1959), please re-add, citing references. Thanks! Chesdovi (talk) 01:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abdullah el-Tell quote 

message: Haaretz journalist Nir Hasson wrote in 2009 that "According to a prophecy made by the Vilna Gaon, the synagogue's third completion will precede the construction of the Third Temple." Can the original souce be found? Chesdovi (talk) 02:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm looking into it. --Dweller (talk) 11:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How exactly? I would try and contact Hasson somehow to see where he got it. I did make a phone call to R' Moishe Sternbuch whom I thought may be able to give an insight here, but unfortunately, do to the inferior quality of the long distance call and his advanced age, I am not quite sure he understood what I was asking him. So didn’t get very far. I think having the el-Tell quote (see above) would be easier to get and think is more important for the article, but I don't read Arabic! Chesdovi (talk) 12:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the two as mutually exclusive in any way. --Dweller (talk) 12:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I emailed Nir Hasson a couple of times with no response? Chesdovi (talk) 10:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vilna Gaon prophecy quote 

message: But in the occupied east Jerusalem  --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What flag should I use? Chesdovi (talk) 00:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it is in Palestinian land, the Palestinian flag, or no flag at all. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I used the flag saying Palestine, and you said not to? Chesdovi (talk) 01:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the Palestinian flag: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Palestine.png --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure its not the Jordanian one? The synagogue was indeed once in Jordan, thought never in a State of Palestine? Chesdovi (talk) 01:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, the present flag of Palestine is similar to the Jordanian one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonsense. The "Old City" of Jerusalem is and has been under Israeli sovereignty. The city was occupied by Jordanian forces from 1948-1967. Before 1948 it was occupied by the British (with the outdated red flag that says "Palestine" in English). There is no reason to say that Jerusalem, specifically the Old City, is not within Israel because a group of people claims it is part of a state that has to date never existed. 109.253.44.160 (talk) 06:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synagogue is not in Israel 

message: that the synagogue was reduced to rubble by the Arab League? Are we trying to be PC here?  Isn't the idea to give as much reliable information as possible? Every attempt to include the fact that it was dynamited by the Arab League during the 48 War gets reverted.  ?? Stellarkid (talk) 20:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There exist many reliable sources for this fact and I have cited WSJ.com. Elihabibi (talk) 06:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why can't we acknowledge 

message: I did agree with the comment about lack of detail on architecture. There must be a comparison somewhere between the old and new Hurva Synagogues - i.e. how faithful is the restoration and what divergences there are. And more details on the architecture of each. This and the other prophecy bit would be good to sort out before copyediting again (always good to nail down comprehensiveness before smoothing out the prose...) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at other FA architecture sections and I just cannot come anywhere close to that standard because of lack of sourced material. Sorry. Chesdovi (talk) 11:18, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For FACs I write, I very often have to go to libraries to get books for the extra detail. Might there not be some books on the subject? Architecture of 19th century Jerusalem or something (?) And if this is a reconstruction, surely there has been some discussion somewhere about how faithful it is to the original and how it deviates? Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  in the aftermath of the FAC 

message: See משיחי השקר ומתנגדיהם by Rabbi Hamburger, Appendix V, in which he discusses the Sabbatean leanings of the founders of the Churva Shul. He also discusses the history of the shul, as well as the implications of the appointment of Rav Simcha Kook as its Rov. --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 16:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is cultural material, right? This article needs some of that within. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:35, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sabbatean leanings 

message: Tiferet Yisrael Synagogue seems to be another article about the same site. --Vicky Ng (talk) 22:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I will remove the merge tag as the Tiferet Yisrael is actually a different synagogue located some distance away. Chesdovi (talk) 22:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, my mistake. --Vicky Ng (talk) 00:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I would like to thank Jser:ChesdovilChesdovi  the editor who removed the image gallery and  explain why I reverted his or her edit.
This award winning arricle featured, until his edit late last year,, a beautiful gallery of images of the building, past and present.  This article has won awards in the past for its quality as an architectural article; most articles on churches, synagogues, mosques and other religious structures feature beautiful galleries, and asking people to go to Wikimedia to voew them cheapens the article and makes these photos less accessible, especially since many people don't know how to search that site.   Therefore, I have restored the gallery.  If it is removed again I will seek arbitration; in addition I am submitting this article in its present form with the gallery for consideration for another award for a good architectural article.
  I also fear  the removal pf the images of the new synagogue in particular could be perceived by some as anti-Semitic, and celebrated by anti-Semitic anonymous trolls who keep vandalizing the article, who I know User:ChesdovilChesdovi is opposed to, in violation of Wikipedia's policies; depicting photos of the old synagogue in ruins in large quantities without showing the photos of the beautiful details of the new synagogue, like the mural "By the rivers of Babylon" and the stained glass windows, sends the wrong message (that wikipedia likes showimg pictures of synagogues in ruins but not those same synagogues when they are rebuilt).   I have put this article on my watchlist and I don't want to see that gallery removed again; if you want to rearrange the pictures to evenly distribute them through the article, that would be acceptable to me, and would probably be a good idea, provided none are removed, but I urge you User:ChesdovilChesdovi to not remove the gallery again.  If you wish to make a counter-proposal regarding image content in tje article, I would be prepared to hear you out,.  Wgw2024 (talk) 08:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Gallery 

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message: I have moved the above here, as it doesn’t appear to relate to the area of this synagogue, but is written as if it does. 
Does anyone have access to the underlying sources who can confirm? Onceinawhile (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well todays Ramban Synagogue lies directly below the Hurva....? Chesdovi (talk) 03:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compound