Talk:Ernst Raven

message: According to Berwanger, this article misspells Raven's name; he uses "Ernest", which Raven undoubtedly adopted as a good English-speaking Texan. The conclusion about exequaturs is unsourced; WP:NOR requires a source for combining the two facts in the manner done here. (Berwanger's footnote is clearly irrelevant; it's to his direct quote from Benjamin's speech.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have rewritten the apologetic on the question of recognition; and Olmstead's newspaper ad concurs with the image of the printed Journals of the Confederate Congress in spelling Ernst. The journals alone are third-hand evidence (Raven's telegram → Judah P. Benjamin's report → the minutes of Congress → the transcription by the Government of the United States), whereas Berwanger has consulted Raven's actual telegram; but a telegraph error on this matter is not impossible. A caution is warranted, however. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Milledge Louis Bonham in The British Consuls in the Confederacy, Columbia University, 1911, p. 219. uses "Ernest".  Perhans this where Berwenger derived his usage.  Bonham also give the port of Galveston rather than Texas as Raven's consular district.  However, Bonham wrongly cites September 1861 as the date of Raven's request, apparently confusing the date of Benjamin's report to Congress on the matter with the date of the actual request, which Benjamin clearly cites as being in July. Bonham's error on the date puts into question his accuracy on Raven's first name and the extent of his consular district.  Nicholas F 03:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tags

message: The claim that Raven's jurisdiction was restricted to Galveston, rather than extending to the whole of Texas, was sourced only by a broken electronic link. Prima facie the latter would be more likely; the German settlement in Texas was much further north, around New Braunfels, Texas. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Galveston

message: The assertion that everybody but Raven had been a Consul at the time of secession is false; Benjamin quietly accepted several acting consuls before he made it a point of disagreement in May 1863. As for Berwnager knowledge of Raven's telegram, he did consult the Confederate archives, and the sentence in which he mentions Raven includes substantial information not derived from Bonham. 
I would be content to leave this marked as trash; but I would prefer to make it a good article, not filled with claims for the Confederacy which it did not make for itself. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Authority from the United States

message: No reliable sources have been presented questioning Berwanger's research on this matter. Without such, attacks on his research are both original research and unsupported attacks on a living person. They can be removed on either ground. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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