Talk:Münchener Post

message: Greetings
My name is Terrence Petty. I'm a retired editor for the Associated Press. I've written a book about a German newspaper that tried to thwart Hitler in the Weimar era, the Münchener Post. My book contains important new material, drawn from long-forgotten archives in Munich, about this newspaper's battles with Hitler and about its incredibly courageous staff. I am requesting that information from my book be added to the Wikipedia entry on the Münchener Post. You will see from my book that the topic is incredibly relevant to current times.
There are two versions of the book. A 50-page Kindle edition published in December 2018 as part of the Amazon Original Series was a best-seller for two months. A 160-page print edition, with much more detail, was published by The Associated Press in May 2019. 
Let me know if you need any further information.
Thanks!!!!
SenseData (talk) 07:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello , if you could mention specific changes on the form  then that would be good. You can include citations to yourself in parentheses "(Petty 2019, page 100)", which would be formatted by someone later on. You can then add another  below. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important new details about the courageous journalists of a German newspaper who tried to thwart Hitler 

message: Hello. This is the first change I'd like to request. I hope this is the correct format
Please change this:
The Poison Kitchen ("Giftküche") was the name Adolf Hitler gave to a group of journalists of the newspaper who were highly critical of him and ran a series of extremely negative investigative exposés about Hitler in the 1920s and early 1930s, before Hitler came to power in Germany in 1933.[1]
To this:
The Poison Kitchen ("Giftküche") and Munich Pestilence (Münchener Pest) were names Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party gave to a group of journalists of the newspaper who were highly critical of him and ran a series of extremely negative investigative exposés about Hitler in the 1920s and early 1930s, before Hitler came to power in Germany in 1933.(Petty 2019, Page ix)
SenseData (talk) 19:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t have access to the book to verify, but I'll take your word on this, Terrence.  Your formatting is fine (we just need the requests laid out in a way which makes it easy to understand the change, and to paste into the article if we want to implement the suggestion verbatim).   Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:49 Thu 03, AEDT) 10:49, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specific requested change - is this how it's done? 

message: After this:
Ron Rosenbaum writes in his 1998 book about The Poison Kitchen:
"Their duel with Hitler lasted a dozen years and produced some of the sharpest, most penetrating insights into his character, his mind and method, then or since. Much of their work has been forgotten, but not much has been surpassed. And, as the name Poison Kitchen suggests, they succeeded in getting under Hitler's skin."[2]
Please add his:
In a 2019 book about the Munich Post, Terrence Petty wrote this:
"Reflective of its times, the Munich Post did not pretend to be a neutral newspaper. If the Post's editors were alive today, they would no doubt defend their style of journalism thusly: There was no greater threat to German democracy in the Weimar era than Adolf Hitler. They recognized it and set out to stop him. So much of what appeared on the pages of the Post ultimately played out after Hitler came to power. In the grand scheme of things, the editors of the Munich Post got it right. (Petty 2019, Page ix).
SenseData (talk) 19:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added the first sentence from this. The rest is too newspaper-article-like and isn't written in Wikipedia's hyper-neutral tone. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second requested change 

message: After this:
"Very little had ever been written about the Münchener Post until 1998 when American journalist Ron Rosenbaum published his book Explaining Hitler: The Search for the Origins of His Evil. Rosenbaum considers "the running battle between Hitler and the courageous reporters and editors of the Post...one of the great unreported dramas in the history of journalism", and challenges contemporary journalists to do justice to the "men who brought so much honor to the profession with their courage and investigative zeal" (Rosenbaum 37, 58)."
Please add this:
"Inspired by Rosenbaum's work, retired Associated Press editor Terrence Petty published a full book about the Munich Post in May 2019 titled "Enemy Of The People: The Munich Post and the Journalists Who Opposed Hitler." Petty examined archives in Munich that document Nazi libel lawsuits against the Post, assaults on the newspaper's editors, and biographical information about them. Petty writes: "There was no greater resource for my work than the Munich Post itself. The newspaper chronicled not only this dramatic and often-overlooked era in history but also its own role in those times.'" (Petty 2019, Page 129)
SenseData (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added a summarized version of this. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third requested change 

message: Please substitute this:
When Hitler finally came to power in 1933, 'the offices of Münchener Post were subject to a final ransacking by the S.A. on 9 March 1933 and all of the staff members were imprisoned in concentration camps.[3]
For this:
When Hitler finally came to power in 1933, the offices of the Münchener Post were subject to a final ransacking by the S.A. on 9 March 1933. The paper's staff went into hiding but were ultimately rounded up and put in Munich jails. One of them, Julius Zerfass, was later taken to the nearby Dachau concentration camp. All of the journalists were banned from practicing their profession, struggled to find other work, deprived of their pensions, and turned into pariahs. (Petty 2019, Pages 84-100, 108-119)
SenseData (talk) 20:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth requested change