Talk:Bridgewater Township, New Jersey

message: NOTE:  I have now made most of the changes discussed below.
Neutron 14:28, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The "districts" may be referring to the fire districts in Bridgewater. If memory serves, they are: Martinsville, Green Knoll, Finderne, North Branch, Bradley Gardens, and Country Hills. While I've not lived in Bridgewater for a couple of years, I did live in the Milltown road area but we never referred to it as anything but "Bridgewater." Sunset Lake is in Martinsville's fire district, but most people I know of didn't consider it part of Martinsville. Hopefully that helps a bit. Aeverett 21:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old (and getting older) issues

message: I have read this article and have some comments on it, but being brand new to Wikipedia I thought I would see if anyone has an answer to my comments before just going in and changing what someone else has written.
First of all I do not think that Bradley Gardens, Finderne, Martinsville and Green Knoll qualify as "districts," it might be better to call them "sections" or "areas" or "communities."  I don't think any of them have officially defined boundaries though I may be wrong about Bradley Gardens.  I know that "Green Knoll" is very vaguely defined and if you talk to 10 different people you will hear 10 different versions of where it begins and ends. 
So, while these 4 "areas" (and you might add "North Branch" as well since part of it is in Bridgewater; and you might also add "Sunset Lake") do exist, their boundaries are unclear.  If you are trying to define them by where the children go to elementary school, this doesn't really work, at least not currently.  There is no operating school in Martinsville (Crim is near, but not in Martinsville) and no operating elementary school in Green Knoll (though BRHS is there), plus the boundaries between the "sending areas" are changing every few years.
Which leads me to my main point:
I have never heard anyone refer to "Van Holten" and "Kennedy" as "districts" or "communities" (or whatevers) in Bridgewater except when discussing what schools people go to, and as the article says, the so-called "Kennedy" area is divided between 3 schools and soon to be 4.  Usually I hear the so-called "Van Holten" area referred to as the "Country Club Road" area or sometimes "Country Club-Meadow Road" area and as for "Kennedy" most people in Bridgewater call that either the "Milltown Road" area, the "Milltown-Vanderveer" area (which probably would be the most descriptive) or sometimes just "the developments."  Admittedly I am not from that area, so any of you who are, do you really call where you live "Kennedy"?  After a school located in another municipality where an ever-decreasing proportion of your children attend?  And do people in the Country Club-Meadow Road area really refer to where they live as "Van Holten"?
Neutron 5 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)
Changes coming: Unless someone chooses to defend the current text regarding the above issues (and those I will now discuss), sometime over the weekend I am probably going to make a major edit to the whole "districts" subsection to make it more accurate and less opinionated.  I will leave the references to "Van Holten" and "Kennedy" but as names that "some people use" or words to that effect.  I will mention that most of the sections do not have officially defined boundaries and that there are different opinions as to where the boundaries lie.  I also am going to delete the reference to BG's "reputation for being dirty" which is just someone's opinion, and will probably change "lower class" to "less affluent" for BG and Finderne.  I probably also will add a reference to "North Branch" being a section, and perhaps also "Thomae Park" and "Sunset Lake" though I am somewhat uncertain on their status as "sections" as opposed to "developments," which would not rate a mention.
Neutron 7 July 2005 16:14 (UTC)
:The "districts" may be referring to the fire districts in Bridgewater. If memory serves, they are: Martinsville, Green Knoll, Finderne, North Branch, Bradley Gardens, and Country Hills. While I've not lived in Bridgewater for a couple of years, I did live in the Milltown road area but we never referred to it as anything but "Bridgewater." Sunset Lake is in Martinsville's fire district, but most people I know of didn't consider it part of Martinsville. Hopefully that helps a bit. Aeverett 21:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Districts" or "communities" in Bridgewater

message: ===Bridgewater's incorporation date===
(Note, I need to move this into old issues as I have now changed the incorporation date.  I am planning other changes to the paragraph on history as well and there will probably end up being enough material there to rate its own section. -- Neutron 02:05, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Once-new issues

message: (Note, I need to move this into old issues as I have now changed the incorporation date.  I am planning other changes to the paragraph on history as well and there will probably end up being enough material there to rate its own section. -- Neutron 02:05, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bridgewater's incorporation date

message: (Note, this issue has now been resolved through discussion on 68etc's Talk page.  I have edited the sentence slightly but have left the word "elementary" out.  The grade level of the school is mentioned in the new section I added on "Education," and that information is more precise than just the word "elementary" anyway. -- Neutron 02:09, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of "elementary"

message: Today I made a number of changes to the descriptions in "communities."  With the encouragement of several other Bridgewater residents (including 68etc. and some people on a non-Wikipedia Bridgewater forum at nj.com), I have deleted all references and comparisons regarding "affluence," "class" (ie upper class, lower-middle class etc.) and racial and ethnic descriptions.  For the Finderne section, I did leave in a reference to the area being "diverse" which I do not think anyone can argue with, but it now applies both to diversity of people and diversity of "land use."
Even though some of the descriptions I deleted were, at least arguably, "accurate," I think they do more harm than good.  Additionally, most of what I deleted was at least partially opinion, and partially inaccurate.  Given the mishmash of accurate, inaccurate and opinion, it seemed best just to get rid of all these types of references.  The descriptions are still there but they are "more neutral" now.
Neutron 02:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Major edits to community descriptions

message: This is a pretty minor point, but a previous writer put in (as the first thing in the first sentence after the Contents box) that Bridgewater's zip code is 08807.  That is indeed the zip code for the Bridgewater post office and the majority of township residents.  However, there are three other zip code areas either entirely or partially within Bridgewater:  Martinsville has its own post office and zip code; the very northern corner of the township (including Sunset Lake) is the Basking Ridge zip code area; and the Bound Brook zip code area covers extends into Bridgewater, covering the neighborhoods south of 22 (Thomae Park, Shady Lane, etc.) and a few streets north of 22 as well.  
I guess the first question is, does the township's zip code need to be in an encyclopedia, especially when to be completely accurate there would need to be 4 zip codes?  It seems excessively trivial.  Any objections to taking it out?
(The area code seems trivial too but at least it is accurate; we'll see how the sentence reads after the zip code comes out.)
Neutron 21:44, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Zip Codes

message: When I first arrived on the Wikipedia scene, the article stated that Bridgewater was the "single largest municipality" in Somerset County.  That implied that it is the largest in area because I know that Hillsborough is larger in area than Bridgewater, and there may be others.  So, a few weeks ago, I changed it to "most populous."  It turns out I edited out an apparently incorrect or at least unclear statement, and replaced it with a statement that is definitely incorrect.  I was looking at population statistics to try to put into the as-yet-unformed "History" section of the Bridgewater article, and when I looked at 2000 I saw that Franklin has more people, about 50,000 as opposed to Bridgewater, about 42,000.  So now I have edited it again so that Bridgewater is the county's second most populous municipality, which it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neutron (talk • contribs) 21:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Does size matter?

message: Today someone placed on the Bridgewater Township page, in the Education section, a paragraph full of complaints about the school system.  The person identifies him/herself as a current student.  I am pretty sure this edit should be reverted.  I am waiting to see whether I should just do it and ask questions later, or set a specific amount of time for the person to justify it.  At this point I think I am going to revert it (probably tomorrow morning) and then if the writer wishes to submit a toned-down version, they can do so.  After I do the reversion I will post here again about why, but I think it should be fairly obvious from reading the new paragraph.  It certainly is not "neutral" and it contains a level of detail (based entirely on opinion) that is not appropriate for an encyclopedia.  Neutron 21:14, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: August 11, 2005

message: Many people believe Bridgewater schools are going in the wrong direction and are moving out. This new school is raising a lot of taxes that are waste, because the new school has nothing special or new in it, the school also destroyed precious wildlife habitats, as did all the new developements in Bridgewater, and the school district is losing it's former credit, orignally ranked in the top 10 school districts in New Jersey, it has been going down consistently since 2000. The schools have one of the worst bully-management programs in the entire state of New Jersey, they claim to have a zero tolerance policy, yet every day a kid beats up another kid and gets away with it. The administarators promote jocks to honor roll when they don't even deserve it and make sure that the smart kids get one C so they don't deserve so they don't get honor roll. Many people have been complaining about the changes for the worse to Bridgewater schools and have been moving to nearby towns such as Hillsborough, Readington, Edison, among countless others, to escape what is happening to Bridgewater schools.-By a BRSD student, so I know what goes on.
I've removed this section; it was brought to my attention as possibly POV, and I agree that it is completely inappropriate. It is not, as it would suggest, a critique or criticism, but a full POV attack. If someone would like to clean up and NPOV the language, please feel free to do so, and return it to the article. However, please discuss wholesale reinsertion (i.e., reinsertion without changes) on this page before doing so. -- Essjay ·   Talk 02:44, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
:This could be changed to a NPOV easily. i think that would be best...considering that the author of that statement is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.201.227 (talk) 01:30, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon insertion 

message: Good job on making an account, I like the name.  A bit gross if you think about it for too long, but it could be a "band name" wihtout too much trouble.  As for your edits, I am sorry, it is still not neutral and has unsubstantiated rumors, most notably the part about the new school.  I do think that PARTS of what you have written could be re-edited into a reasonable statement of issues and controversies facing Bridgewater, but as I said before, this isn't it.  I appreciate that you have taken out one troublesome part, but you have not solved the problem.  As for taxes, yes I have noticed how much they have risen, becuase I own a home and I actually pay them; since it appears that you are still in high school, can you say the same?  However, I also know WHY they have risen and it is much more complicated than simply building a school, which has very little to do with the increase.  I am not trying to make Bridgewater look perfect.  I know, perhaps better than you, just how imperfect it is.  I do not mean to show you disrespect because of your age, but I think a bit more experience with life might give you a broader perspective on things.  As a final note, we can probably have more reasonable discussions of how to improve this article if you refrain from speculating on the circumstances under which I might be an "idiot."  Neutron 17:55, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Protozoic Waste

message: (This Does Not Have To Do With The Problems Section)
I looked up the census bueraus official website, and it said BW was 83 percent white and 11 percent Asian, as opposed to 85 percent white and 10 percent Asian, I changed this, just so you know- Protozoic Waste — Preceding undated comment added 00:11, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Changed Census Innacurracies

message: lxfd64 has added the following sentence to the article:
"According to the National Geographic Society, Bridgewater has an unusually high number of twins and triplets. "
I have read the nationalgeographic.com article and I am not sure that it supports this sentence.  What the article says is that New Jersey "has the highest ratio of triplet births in the United States."  The article also uses Bridgewater as the main example of this trend, interviewing at least one Bridgewater family and including some photos taken in this family's home and in their street, showing their neighbors with their own twins and triplets.  But the sentence written by lxfd64 begs the question, "Unusually" for where?  Bridgewater's incidence of twins/triplets is probably not unusual compared to other places in New Jersey, and I suspect in particular, other suburban areas of New Jersey.  However, it probably is unusual compared to other similar places in the United States, since it is part of the "unusual" New Jersey-wide trend.  Therefore, I think the sentence should be rewritten.  Perhaps it would be best to say "Bridgewater has received national attention as an example of New Jersey's unusually high occurrence of twins and triplets."  (Plus the links.)  However, at this point I have not changed it to give lsfd64 and others a chance to respond.  Part of my hesitation also is due to the fact that the natgeo.com article appears to refer to a longer article in print version of the magazine, which does not appear to be available online, at least not without paying.  Neutron 01:21, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, maybe it should say "unusually high number of twins and triplets compared to the rest of the United States" instead? --Ixfd64 07:59, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, but the article was more about the state itself, the person they talked to just happend to be from Bridgewater. Perhaps if you moved this to the New Jersey artcle.-Protozoic Waste {{Subst:Undated|20:40, 28 October 2005}
There is a large fertility clinic in the vicinity of Bridgewater, which explains the high incidence of multiple births. Also the town has a good or great reputation as a place to raise a family in the New York City metro area. And many of these parents are settling down with upper-middle-class incomes, but I'm aware this news story was in 2005 and I'm not exactly sure this aspect of Bridgewater has changed. 2605:E000:100D:C32F:1435:A112:765F:4D89 (talk) 22:46, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: "Twins and triplets"

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message: Hey, what happened to the map of Bridgewater?  Neutron 00:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Map of Bridgewater

message: Somebody inserted that a scene from home alone was filmed in Bridgewater, I'm pretty sure this isn't true; it was filmed in Chicago's north shore area. I propose removing it...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.37.215 (talk) 23:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Home Alone?

message: Should this article be moved to the simpler Bridgewater, New Jersey, with out the word "township"? It is already a redirect to this article, and there is no other Bridgewater in New Jersey, so "towwnship" isn't needed for diambiguation purposes. And the vast majority of actual use doesn't include the word, either. So why does it persist? Seems to be an unneeded technicality in the title, against the best practices of out article titles policy. oknazevad (talk) 04:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
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