Talk:2007 New South Wales state election campaign

message: This article just gets more and more POV. Any anti-Labor comment is included, no matter how trivial or poorly based in fact, to the exclusion of any genuine coverage of election issues. I don't see the point of it myself (its an online encyclopedia - do you think you're winning votes here?). On occasion I have attempted some minor changes to bring a bit of balance but in hindsight that is just adding legimitacy to what is essentially an anti-Labor attack page. So - I've removed my edits and won't make any more. Joe - its all yours and good luck with it :)Jeendan 03:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See you for the federal campaign article, Jeendan. Maybe by then you'll be able to assume good faith. Joestella 07:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No thanks. If the intention is to make that into a page similar to this one, I'll give it a miss. Good luck with it. Jeendan 10:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree this article reads like Liberal Party propaganda (no mention of Denham's appalling plans to send 10 year old children to jail for instance), but it would be better to watch and revert the worst aspects of POV.--Grahamec 07:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article just gets worse and worse 

message: I added a section to 2006 regarding embezzlment that occured at Cherie Burton's office. I think it is of state significance and thus belongs in this article as:
* A government Minister (not just a local member) was involved
* The speaker of the NSW Legislative Assembly was dressed dressed down by the Premier for his inaction
* Iemma ordered the premier's department chief Col Gellatly to investigate why nothing was done until the matter was uncovered by the press
* The clerk of the Legislative Assembly was ordered to alert ICAC and the police
The opposition called for the sacking John Aquilina and Cherie Burton over the affair (or at least asked Iemma why he continues to have Aquilina as the speaker and Burton as an MP)
203.6.205.22 01:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think some of the above are that notable, to be hoenst (Iemma didn't publicly dress down Aquilina, and the Opposition call for everyone's sacking every day). But I'm happy to let it stay as you've written it, especially given my views about the nature of this entire page. Thanks for explaining your reasoning. Jeendan 03:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Campaign Trail 

message: I took a sentence out regarding this, as it wasn't accurate but I can't think of a way to improve it without making this ten times longer. 
Carr's moratorium on new commercial marinas was lifted in September 2005 with the gazettal of the Sydney Harbour REP. What this current story is about is proposed changes to the rules for issuing land owner's consent to allow the lodging of DA's (not the determination of the DA's themselves). The changes haven't been approved (only publicly exhibited) and the planning powers are not handed to Tripodi because as Waterways Minister he already is the consent authority (as was every previous Waterways Minister since at least 1979 when the Environmental Planning and Assssment Act was introduced). Jeendan 19:16, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marina development 

message: Once again - it is incorrect to state in the article that the Police Association is affiliated with the ALP. It is not, and never has been. The latest 'weasel words' version is to state 'affiliated with the Labor movement'. If this is supposed to imply affiliated with the Labor Party, it is incorrect. If this is to imply it is affiliated with the broad collection of organisations called unions, then that is true but meaningless. A statement that says a union is one of a group of organisations called unions is a pointless truism.
The point that the Police Association thinks the Liberals will do more for Police numbers is significant, and worth including in the article. There is no need to overstate the significance by adding falsehoods about ALP connections - the point stands on its own. Jeendan 08:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree they are weasel words and should be left out of the article, it would be like saying 'affiliated with Australian Businesses' every time McDonalds is mentioned... as Jeendan said, it is a pointless truism. WikiTownsvillian 12:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not an ALP affiliate, no (my mistake). The PANSW is affiliated to the Labor movement (Unions NSW, ACTU), as the organisation's website and the news report clearly state. Just as the decision of a major business or employer group to criticise the Liberals, or the NFF to criticise the Nats, would be noteworthy. Affiliation is a formal process, not a category. WikiTownsvillian's analogy ignores the structure and history of the labor movement. That said, the term trade union strongly implies the PANSW's link to the movement anyway, so we can leave it at that. Joestella 05:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe that the PANSW has ever been part of the Labor movement in any meaningful way.--Grahamec 07:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Police Association is not an ALP affiliate 

message: I like what ChampagneComedy has done with the campaign trail stuff - it reads less like a campaign blog and now omits some of the flash-in-the-pan news stories that Jeendan was so worried about. I had a go at doing the same to the last section, and added some of the opinion/analysis from the major papers. Plus there's more images. This article just gets better and better. Joestella 16:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it too. Theme-based sections are much more useful now the campaign is over. And I appreciate your concern for my concern about flash-in-the-pan stories. How's that for an outbreak of peace and harmony? (and I haven't even edited Nola Fraser again) Jeendan 23:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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