Talk:List of countries in the Eurovision Song Contest

message: Regarding the change of Italy's status from withdrawn to retired, my problem is not that I think Italy are planning a comeback; I just feel that writing that Italy "retired" from the contest gives the impression that they're definitely not coming back. That would require a reliable source to say so, and certainly everything I've seen about it has suggested that an Italian return is far from impossible (nothing concrete about a return, though). I think "withdrew" is more accurate in this sense. Chwech 17:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but they never said they were definitely not coming back. We need a reliable source to say so unambiguously. I can't tell you when Italy will come back - because I don't know, obviously; it could be never - but that really isn't the point here. Chwech 14:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italy 

message: Both should be put into the entries table, but with a 0 in the entries and wins coloumn--Adamml13 (talk) 07:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azerbaijain and San Marino 

message: I think a hell of a lot of Cypriots would be very surprised to find they've suddenly been moved into Asia...206.165.150.70 (talk) 09:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to make this edit, but UNdata says that it's in Western Asia (despite being in the EU?) This is bizarre news to me, but far be it from me to contradict the UN (unless any Cypriots would like to weigh in). LadyLeitMotif (talk) 16:54, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Cyprus 'outside the geographical boundaries of Europe' - since when?

message: Hi! The Czech Republic has left the contest  because the 3 contestants have sucked so far, and moreover, no one watches the contest here, anyway. Could you please edit the article accordingly? It's not clear to me whether a current list actually is somewhere in the article. --Lumidek (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czechia leaves the contest 

message: Is it really true, that Qatar could take part if they want? No, it´s the other Way round: Qatar want´s to participete, but can´t. They try to get the full EBU-Membership, but didn´t get it yet, because they are too far away from Europe 
Greetings from Germany:-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.43.168.100 (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Official ESC site now has a page about this: Qatar is definitely out of the EBA, and it will never be in Council of Europe. Maybe we can remove it from the article (or at least mention this fact). By the way, why does Qatar has a source about Scotland? --SimoneMLK (talk) 15:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like the idea of simply just removing it, it looks fine in that section, just add your findings to the box and ref it by removing the already wrong ref their. --  axg ◉ talk  19:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qatar 

message: On the Tablet at the Bottom, Czechia only participated in 2008 & 2009. But they debuetet in 2007. Can somebody change it?
--46.115.21.126 (talk) 01:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czechias Debuet missing 

message: When we are talking about Yugoslavia at ESC we have to know that there were 2 Yugoslavias. 1. Yugoslavia as federation of 6 countries and 2 autonomic regions (1961 - 1991) SFRY and 2. as dictatorship of Slobodan Milošević - FRY. So, I'm pleasing the author of the site let correct your datas about Yugoslavia.
===Explanation:===
When "Yugoslav" preselection held in Sarajevo 1992. Croatia and Slovenia were independent and international recognized countries in their way to became a member of UN and other international institutions. Same time former EEC decided to not recognize Yugoslavia as a country anymore. It was January 15th 1992. Same day then "Yugoslav" preselection held, in Zagreb (Croatia) held Croatian national preselection. EBU promised to HRT that "Yugoslavia" will not participated at the contest but, thx to Scandinavian countries and Benelux countries Croatia stayed withdrew for Malmö 1992. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.253.227.35 (talk) 11:59, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslavia 

message: When "Yugoslav" preselection held in Sarajevo 1992. Croatia and Slovenia were independent and international recognized countries in their way to became a member of UN and other international institutions. Same time former EEC decided to not recognize Yugoslavia as a country anymore. It was January 15th 1992. Same day then "Yugoslav" preselection held, in Zagreb (Croatia) held Croatian national preselection. EBU promised to HRT that "Yugoslavia" will not participated at the contest but, thx to Scandinavian countries and Benelux countries Croatia stayed withdrew for Malmö 1992. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.253.227.35 (talk) 11:59, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation:

message: It has been suggested that the contetnts from this article would be better off merged into List of countries in the Eurovision Song Contest#Unsuccessful attempts to participate. This current article hardly expands on the content from its proposed merging place. In any case, countries in very different positions shouldn't all be lumped together like they are in this article. (see here for full details of the proposed suggestion). Wesley ☮ Mouse 03:03, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Unsuccessful Eurovision Song Contest applicants]] 

message: There were two Yugoslavias in the ESC. One have it's participants from 1961.-1977. and 1981.-1991., and second had his entry just one time: 1992. 
First Yugoslavia had a name: Socialistic Federative Republic of Yugoslavia, and second has a name: Federative Republic of Yugoslavia. First Yugoslavia include 6 socialistic republics (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia and Serbia) and 2 socialistic autonomous region (Kosovo and Vojvodina). The second Yugoslavia include only two republic (Montenegro and Serbia). 
As for the Eurovision Song Contest you have to know that at the national preselection 1992. held in Belgrade was representatives from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and second Yugoslavia. 
  
To be historically correct, in a list of countries in the Eurovision Song Contest, you have to split one Yugoslavia (from 1961.-1991.) of the other (1992.) 
Marita Nikkenen
Finland  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.60.50.114 (talk) 12:57, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslavia 

message: Since apparently editors would rather edit war instead of discussing here, I am starting this topic. As you might have seen, there is currently a dispute over the inclusion of Scotland and Wales in the "Unsuccessful attempts to participate" section, with the reason stating that both are already covered at United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest#Separate entrants, and having them here would be a duplicate. While Wales was added this week, Scotland has been on the article for almost six years now, and no one had complained about its duplicaticity since, except for the recent edit war. Now, there is nothing wrong with having alike content on multiple articles, quite the opposite: Readers who care about a topic like this would want to read up on all countries, and not have to go to another page to find content that could as well be covered before. This is especially if the user does not know that there even is that content on another page. A good handling of longer content would be KFC (which has its own article) briefly described on the article of Colonel Sanders (who founded the food chain), and then link to the "main article" using the eponymous template; . For the here-named content, the text is not long enough to necessaryize the shortening, as there are hardly ten sentences each. Concluding with my opinion: Both sections should stay as-is, only the Wales one could use some sources, which should not be hard to find. (Pinging all involved contributors: ) Lordtobi (✉) 14:27, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thank you for opening a discussion and for attempting to reach out to the other editors involved. The only reverts I made to this article was due to the edits not being discussed and to tell the involved users to open one (instead of edit war). So long as all editors involved discuss the dispute and that any edits reflect consensus that is reached as a result of the discussion, you're golden! Again, thanks for opening this talk page discussion and I wish everyone happy editing. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs)  21:17, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Whilst the Scottish section is well cited with historic context, the Welsh section is an entire paragraph of vague blog-style considerations and uncited claims. I will happily accept and retain the Scottish section because it is up to Wikipedia standards. The Welsh section is not. doktorb wordsdeeds 01:08, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The elements named in the section should be sourcable easily and potential third-party-esque text rewritten. The UK articles actually does cover a few citations for it. Lordtobi (✉) 17:28, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scotland and Wales 

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message: The two Yugoslavias took a part during history of this contest. One Yugoslavia competed from 1961.-1976+1981.-1991. and other 1992.
As we all know, with the break-up of Yugoslavia in its territory, seven new states emerged, which, as of 1974, functioned as independent countries. In 1991, two Yugoslav states, Slovenia and Croatia declared independence, and were internationally recognized in January 1992. Bosnia and Herzegovina proclaims independence in March 1992 and is immediately recognized internationally.
EBU recognizes independence of Croatia and Slovenia at the end of January 1992, and BiH among with EU states. The EBU promises that Croatia and Slovenia will be able to compete at the Eurosystem in 1992, which was held in Malmo, and that they will expel Yugoslavia from the same contest. Croatia, in the show called Studio Grand Prix, chooses a song for Eurovision (band "Magazin" song: "Aleluja") and handing it at time, but as the rest of Yugoslavia (Serbia, Vojvodina, Kosovo and Montenegro) changes the Constitution and proclaims a state named Yugoslavia that is not the successor of the former socialistic Yugoslavia, EBU leaves a brand new Yugoslavia in competition but does not accept Croatian song.
So, when you say that Yugoslavia competed from 1961 till 1992. that's not true. That's two different countries, so please correct that big mistake.
Liana Capitain  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.149.51.78 (talk) 15:08, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It is stated in the article that Serbia and Montenegro (at the time known as Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) competed as Yoguslavia, and is provided as such in secondary as well as EBU-primary sources, wherefore it is from that POV correct and verifyable. Lordtobi (✉) 18:19, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslavia vs. Yugoslavia 

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message: For accessibility reasons one should not rely solely on colour to convey information. The use of colour in the tables could be supplemented by text codes. It would make more sense to use 'X' to indicate that a country DID NOT participate, thus freeing up all the boxes for participating occasions for other text codes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A04:B2C2:1014:B600:3858:A7C3:5DBF:F822 (talk) 09:24, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of colour in 'Participating countries in the decades' 

message: Lets clarify one thing. Kosovo is not only rebel Albanians. Besides non-rebel ethnic Albanians, many Serbs from Kosovo also participated within Serbia speacilly because Kosovo Serbs have a very rich musical culture. So stop with that "Kosovars were forced, they didnt participate" because that is not truth. FkpCascais (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Roughly half of the World considers Kosovo independent while other half considers Kosovo part of Serbia. So participants from Kosovo at Serbian Eurovision contest have all the legitimacy all the way until 2008 at least, because until that time the territory had no other legitimate participation at Eurovision rather than Serbia. Your guessing if they are, or not, citizens of Kosovo, is WP:OR. Your toughts about Serbs from Kosovo are absolutelly irrelevant and offensive, besides totally made up. Yes, indeed, at Wikipedia we are obligated to deal with facts, so the undisputable fact here is that until Kosovo declared independence in 2008, Kosovo was a terrritory of Serbia, and people from Kosovo did participate in Serbian Eurovision contests. FkpCascais (talk) 22:36, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: Please do not remove section headings. FkpCascais (talk) 22:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Kosovo

message: There were 2 Yugoslavias. From 1961. till 1991. and 1992.
Second yugoslavia were without Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Macedonia. That coutry got new Constitution and changed name from Socialistic Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to Federal Republic of Yugoslavia as community of Serbia and Montenegro. That country changed its name to Serbia and Montenegro 2000.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.149.51.194 (talk) 10:48, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The EBU handles Serbia and Montegro in the state where they were named "Yugoslavia" as the former country Yugoslavia, and so do we. Lordtobi (✉) 11:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslavia 

message: I trimmed down the unsuccessful attempts section because I noticed that many of them are not supported by the given sources. For example, the sections for Greenland, Catalonia, and Gibraltar are all sourced to articles that talk about broadcasting the event, but there is no mention of them trying to participate in it. All of the sources are from Eurovision-focused sources and the authors are explaining how theoretically a broadcaster could participate if they were an EBU member. That fits in the context of the article, but it doesn't translate into an "unsuccessful attempt" to participate by that country. The broadcasters never actually said anything about trying to participate. Grk1011 (talk) 20:22, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsuccessful attempts 

message: Hello, I'm just leaving a note here to inform those interested about the RfC about the inclusion of Catalonia in the list of possible Eurovision Song Contest 2020 contenders. It has just been concluded, and the result of the discussion was that Catalonia should be excluded from the list. Editors on this article may or may not remove Catalonia here too, but that is up to them.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 09:56, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalonia RfC on [[Eurovision Song Contest 2020]] result: exclude 

message: This article says Australia has entered every year since its debut in 2015. Should it point out that this is a bit strange, as Australia is a long way from Europe? Vorbee (talk) 09:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Being physically located in Europe is not a prerequisite to being in the Eurovision Song Contest; otherwise, Israel, Armenia, etc. could not participate either. Participation is open to every EBU member broadcaster and, upon invitation, associate broadcasters. Australia is part of the latter group, as are Kazakhstan in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest and Kosovo in the Eurovision Young Dancers. Lordtobi (✉) 09:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia

message: Hey. I wonder if we could talk about using the symbol "†" for Non-Qualified countries. That symbol usually means death or recently died. I would like to ask if we could change "†" to "NQ" or something similar? doktorb wordsdeeds 16:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The symbol "†" 

message: The article says "It [the Eurovision Song Contest] was also broadcast in several countries East of the Iron Curtain that have since dissolved, such as [...] East Germany..." I'd like a source for that. I find it highly unlikely that the Fernsehen der DDR ever broadcast the contest, except maybe in 1990. However, most East Germans could receive West German TV channels, so they were able to watch that. But does that count as "broadcast in East Germany"? The sentence certainly frames it like the official East German showed it. Thoughts? --Metrophil (talk) 12:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadcast in East Germany 

message: I don't think this per se needs to be explained though? Belarus and the two dissolved countries are explained because they are special cases and because of that differently coloured, but there are so many grey countries that it doesn't make sense to me to explain them. If you want to know more about the country's participation, you can go to the per-country page. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note about Russia being excluded in 2022 

message: I think it's more appropriate if we change the relegated color because unlike the upcoming legend, it's not seen in any of the articles regarding the countries competing and they look too similar, the only difference being the symbol used. Jusherman (talk) 07:17, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relegated legend 

message: Should we change all the mentions of “Czech Republic” before their EBU rename into “Czechia?” By that, what I mean is we should do the same thing with North Macedonia. Jusherman (talk) 04:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No. doktorb wordsdeeds 06:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

text: We've had this discussion already, see Talk:Czech Republic in the Eurovision Song Contest#Requested move 10 February 2023. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech Republic -> Czechia?