Talk:Sesostris

message: Reading Herodotus' Histories ii.106, one can hardly dismiss the possibility that Senusret III or perhaps another pharaoh actually did go into Asia Minor. Is it really that impossible, just because steeles/monuments haven't been currently found, especially since Herodotus says he saw them? Or perhaps Herodotus is mistaken as to the Egyptian identity of the monuments, though the article seems to be saying that his descriptions are very similar to Egyptian monuments. I can see why Europe/Colchis might be dismissed, but why is the possibility of an invasion of Asia Minor so easily rejected by many scholars?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renassault (talk • contribs) 01:21, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Papyrus Harris even says Ramesses III "slew the Denen in their isles" referring to the controversial Sea Peoples. Of course the isles in question are a subject of historical debate, but many agree think they were probably Aegean. Whether the papyrus is exaggerated propaganda or not is anybody's guess. The Eckwesh and a couple other sea people tribes were circumcised. Herodotus says the Colchians and a few other northern Asia Minor groups practiced circumcision. Also a variation of this account was written by Jordanes pertaining to Gothic history where Sesotris is called Vesosis and a Gothic king named Tanausis battles with him near Colchis and chases him almost to Egypt before heading back and conquering "Asia" (the sea peoples ravaged many cities by land and sea). This version has a few parallels with the myths of Aegyptus and his brother Danaus. The resistence to the idea of Egyptian kings in Asia Minor or any part of Europe is strange in an almost dogmatic kind of way.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.228.146 (talk) 01:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the way dogmas go full circle.  It is unquestionable that if you read what the earliest Greek historians have to say, what they talk about is Egyptians running around all over the place including Greece (Apis) and Spain (Taharqa) among others.  The Greek historians may have had it totally wrong for some reason, but apparently that's what they believed, and presumably what they were taught to believe.  However, this notion goes totally against ways of thinking being projected nowadays, that ancient nations were isolated and ignorant and never even heard of each other except their closer neighbours, so therefore nowadays even discussing details of what the Greeks wrote is discouraged. At this rate, our posterity 3000 years from now will be working hard to prove we never existed. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 01:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply not true. Who claims that ancient nations never heard of any other nations except their closer neighbors? And we know that the Egyptians were well aware of 'Asia Minor', ie Anatolia. Dougweller (talk) 06:49, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And the Amarna letters show correspondence with  Babylonia, Assyria, the Mitanni, the Hittites, Syria, Canaan, and Alashiya (Cyprus). Dougweller (talk) 09:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Doug, I respect that you are informed enough about these things to know better, but you might be surprised at some of the perceptions from less informed people.  Interestingly enough by the way, there are sources stating that the Egyptians included the whole of the world known to them in the "Nine Bows".  This includes the "Haunebu" (northerners), known to be used on the Rosetta Stone as an equivalent to "Greeks".  Mentuhotep II claims to have subjected these lands as well.  (As our article on him points out, he was considered an incarnation of "Osiris".)  So in other words the Egyptian point of view is just as fascinating as the Greek point of view. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 02:22, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As regard the Haunebu, Breasted wrote "red pottery produced by the Hittite peoples in Cappadocia, of Asia Minor, was possibly finding its way to the Semites of southern Palestine. Doubtless the commerce along this route, through Palestine, over Carmel and northward to the trade- routes leading down the Euphrates to Babylon, while not yet heavy, was already long existent. Commerce with southern Europe had also begun. The peoples of the Aegean, whose civilization was now rapidly developing into that of the Mycenaean age, were not unknown in Egypt at this time. They were called Haunebu, and a treasurer of the Eleventh Dy- nasty, whose duty was the maintenance of safe frontier ports, boasts of himself as one "who quells the Haunebu." Dougweller (talk) 15:27, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sestrosis/Senusret III in Asia Minor 

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