Talk:Chernivtsi

message: This is a good article, although it is obviously written from 'Romanian perspective'. In Ukraine it is generally believed that the northern Bukovyna (Chernivtsi region) is a part of Ukrainian historical territory, which in the interwar period was occupied by Romania. 
Another remark: there was no province named "Ruthenia" in the Austria-Hungary, the province was actually called Bukowina.
Andriyc 19:29, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV-ish 

message: Have a look at this two pictures:
Image:Tschernowitz theater2.jpg|Cernăuţi National Theatre (Ukraine)
Image:CJROtheatre.jpg|Cluj-Napoca National Theatre (Romania)
Does somebody know if this buildings were constructed by the same architect? Or maybe if the timing of the construction is about the time Cernăuţi was part of Romania (or maybe at the the time it was part of Austria-Hungary?). If you know something about that post it here. --Danutz
: Teatrul National Cluj este cea mai importanta institutie teatrala din Transilvania si printre cele mai prestigioase din România. A fost inaugurat la 1 Decembrie 1919. Cladirea construita în 1907 este opera renumitilor arhitecti austrieci Helmer si Fellner (from http://www.primariaclujnapoca.ro) 
: The building of the theatre is one of the most beautiful architectural monuments in the city. It was built in 1905 by Austrian architects F. Fellner and G. Gellmer who also built Vienna (Austria) and Odessa (Ukraine) opera houses. (from http://www.city.cv.ua/English/Culture/Theatre.shtml)
:bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 19:39, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They look almost like but not the same.-- Bonaparte  talk 19:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theatre similarities 

message: After multiple edits, I decided to clean the language up. No real fact-checking. I'll add some additional geography and history when I can.--tufkaa 19:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up

message: Since the article talks about the disappearing Romanian population, I decided to add a few words about the city's once vibrant but now almost non-existant Jewish community. (unsigned)
:Of course! Go right ahead but please consider creating an account and using it. It takes 10 seconds, does not even require an email and would make interaction between yourself and others much more comfortable. --Irpen 06:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish community

message: Chernivtsi was once one of the great cities of Europe. As presently written the article does not cover that history adequately, merely noting a few factoids. Fred Bauder 14:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you help expanding it? --Irpen 22:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see what I can find. Fred Bauder 23:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: BS"D
What happened here, it looks like someone copied from the Deutsch or Dutch Wiki. --Shaul avrom 22:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Native personalities 

message: 1. To say "Ukrainian sovereignty did not 'flourish'" sounds odd and is impenetrably vague. In English, "sovereignty" isn't normally said to be "flourishing" or "not flourishing" — in contrast to, for example, commerce flourishing. In context it sounds like a smokescreen for rival national claims on the ethnically mixed city.
2.  The article notes that before WWII the city was about one-fifth German. It should be explained that these Czernowitzers were primarily the residue of the former Austrian (Austro-Hungarian) upper classes and officialdom. These German-speakers (during the Nazi period classified as Volksdeutsch) were resettled under terms of the Nazi-Soviet pact like those of the Baltic states — some to the so-called Wartheland in occupied Poland — under the slogan Heim ins Reich, whether they wanted to leave or not.
3.  If a famous personalities section is added, it should include Gregor von Rezzori, a novelist who wrote in German. His autobiographical Snows of Yesteryear (original title: Blumen in Schnee) provides a vivid picture of this region. Sca 22:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Three comments

message: The table below was brought by user:Olahus. Data sources are not provided. Numbers look questionable. There is already a more general table with historical population data in the article. --Greggerr (talk) 00:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Questionable demographic data

message: I'd like to know what the people of the city do for a living - are there no important industries in Chernivtsi? Railway shops, chemicals plants, etc.? Tourism? Would be interesting! Maelli (talk) 12:35, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  No industry? 

message: OK, Biruitorul, Livepuissa, can you two provide an reasonable explanation why you included this article into category named "Romanian communities in Ukraine"? Article states that 79.8% of population of this city are ethnic Ukrainians, so how exactly it could be described as "Romanian community"? Perhaps you do not speak English well, but term "Romanian community" in English could refer either to localities with Romanian ethnic majority either to "ethnic communities of Romanians" in certain localities. In the second case, category "Romanian communities" could be used for some article named "Romanians in Chernivtsi", but Chernivtsi city itself is an ethnic Ukrainian community, not Romanian one, and readers of this article would be misguided by such wrong categorization. As for revert made by Biruitorul with explanation "see the 1930 census", I do not see how you can categorize an geographical article in accordance with an historical data. This is the year 2012 and we have to classify geographical articles in accordance with current political and demographical situation. Following the logic which ignoring current situation and which glorify certain time periods, we could categorize this article under category "Cities in Romania" (if we like 1930 situation) or perhaps under category "Cities in Austria-Hungary" (if we like 1910 situation). But, this is ridiculous. Wikipedia is not an alternate history forum and we are obligated to have accurate categorization and not to misguide readers. And one additional important thing: 1930 census shows that city in that time was ethnically mixed, i.e. populated by multiple ethnicities, so we cannot say that this city was an "ethnic community" of any ethnic group in that year. PANONIAN 20:39, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If article X is included in category Y, it does not mean X is (can be described as) a Y. For instance Banat of Temeswar is not (can not be described as) a Habsburg Serbia. The tag must be interpreted like this "Chernivtsi has a Romanian community" 79.117.168.230 (talk) 07:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are absolutely right about Habsburg Serbia - it was only an (bad) attempt of diffusion of category "History of Serbia", but I now renamed category "Habsburg Serbia" to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:History_of_Serbia_during_Habsburg_administration (thank you for notifying me about problematic meaning of that category). Regarding Chernivtsi article, it is one thing how you say that category must be interpreted, but reality is something else and most readers would think that this whole city is an Romanian community if they find that article within that category. So, let move this to the ground of Wikipedia policies. So far, claim that this city is an Romanian community is example of original research (see this, please: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research ) and we did not saw a presentation of an reliable source that says that city of Chernivtsi is an "Romanian community". Can you please present an reliable source that says that? Also, criteria by which this category was included into some articles is completely unclear to me: for example, there are 500,000 Romanians in USA and 200,000 in Germany, so why these countries were not tagged as "Romanian communities" as well? By which criteria was this city selected for such tagging? PANONIAN 10:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I understand your point, and I agree. However  it is a quite common practice on wp. See for example :Category:Russian_communities in the United States 79.117.209.62 (talk) 10:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I noticed that this categorization was wrongly used in various articles and that is why I started to recategorize them (problem is that my edits were reverted in several places by other users). Regarding the issue of Romanian communities, I believe that best way of elaborating where Romanians in Ukraine are living is to expand article Romanians in Ukraine with an list of administrative units and cities and number of Romanians in each of them. Something similar was implemented here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarians_in_slovakia#Towns_with_large_Hungarian_populations I think that it is the best way of presentation of such info - filling various categories with various articles will certainly not help the readers to know more about ethnic groups that live in these places. Expansion of articles with relevant data is certainly better solution. PANONIAN 11:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanian / German communities

message: Please can we call a halt to edits to this for the time being.  If anyone objects to the present version, please can they discuss their proposed changes here so we can arrive at a consensus.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:01, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why the Romanian name was deleted from the introduction. I believe that it's unfair due to its Romanian history and community still living there. Porcina (talk) 11:35, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Names in the infobox and introduction

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message: some of the materials in education and architecture were taken from ukrainian wiki --Sorrow3 (talk) 12:17, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukranian wiki 

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Reference named "encyclopedia":
From Ukrainian embroidery: Catherine Amoroso
Leslie. Needlework Through History: An Encyclopedia .  Greenwood Press, 2007.
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message: As is customary for a major current event affecting a city-- I added a small section at the very bottom of the article. Should the details expand significantly, a second article will be created-- entitled "Attack on Chernitsvi during the 2022 Russian Invasion" (or something similar) and will be linked from this article, according to Wikipedia policy. 
Two notable announcements made by the Mayor of Chernivsti today, about the preparation of city defenses against the Russian invasion, were added and cited.
I checked and Wikipedia DOES allow foreign language citations for it's articles. However the specific language of the source must be noted in the citation, in order to aid translation. Which was done.
A Chernivsti city newspaper (online) was cited, dated today.
Chesapeake77 (talk) 16:56, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Two (briefly paraphrased) notable city defense announcements by Mayor of Chernivsti, pertaining to current Russian invasion