Talk:The Clique (series)

message: I have just filed a request for page protection to prevent editing of this page until proper discussion and consensus can be reached about whether these books merit inclusion or not. A consensus needs to be reached here and then further addition/deletion in conflict with that consensus can be considered vandalism. Right now there is a childish tit for tat edit war going on that always stays just short of breaching 3RR. Mfield (talk) 19:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus was already reached on the template page and in the AfD that deleted the article for that book (and salted in in several name versions). Ed tried to get the AfD overturned in DRV and it was UPHELD. The book isn't even written, much less guaranteed for publication. It should not be listed here until it is actually done and verified it will be released. Ed has already been warned to please stop this, but keeps doing it, so yes, it keeps getting removed. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, but then that discussion and consensus should be detailed or linked from here where it is directly relevant and people would expect to find it. If there exists a visible consensus then the repeated addition should definitely be considered vandalism and offending editors should be warned and blocked accordingly.  This constant addition/deletion is annoying and fruitless. Mfield (talk) 19:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a link to my response to the page. And I agree on the constant addition/deletion... *sigh* Meanwhile, started a discussion below about it. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

text: No, the book is written AND guaranteed. Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Prove it. And no, the Amazon listing is NOT proof that it has been written or is guaranteed. It would not be the first, nor the last time, a bookseller was given a solicitation before the book was done, that is later canceled. The Google link you posted in the DRV doesn't prove anything either. The one report from February says she "will start it" not that "she has finished it." -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 21:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the Amazon link is proof for a book like this.  There's also [www.hachettebookgroupusa.com/kids_books_9780316006811.htm] and Publisher's Weekly from this year.  We're not talking some little known series.  Why deny reality? Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 01:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is not. Amazon has listings for books that have since been canceled by the publishers. Happens all the time. And, again, you have provided no actual proof that the book is written. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You want to ignore two other sources, that's no longer my problem. Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 19:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unpublished books/edit war 

message: Per a request from the admin who locked the page, I'm starting this topic so that we can reach consensus here regarding the addition of P.S. I Loathe You to the list of books in the series. For background and my view. The article for this book was deleted via AfD on 20 February 2008. Immediately after deletion, it was twice and CSDed both times before being salted. It has also been deleted and CSDed twice under the name P.S I Loathe You before salting.
On September 9, Ed Wood's Wig sent the article to deletion review, but the deletion was upheld as per WP:BK#Not yet published books, WP:CRYSTAL, and the lack of a truly verifiable publication date or that its even been written. On Template talk:Clique#Edit request, after similar edit warring over the link there also got the template locked, discussion over the link resulted in a consensus that it was far too soon to have the title (with or without a link) included in the template for the same reasons.
As the issue is all related, I feel the consensus from the AfD, DR, and the discussion on the template talk should all apply here and a link or mention of P.S. I Loathe You should also be left out until there actually is real evidence the book has been written and is being released in a relatively short time frame (not "maybe" in 5-6 months from now). As of now, Liss Harrison's own book list does NOT list this book nor can I find any mention of it anywhere else on the site. That's a pretty clear sign to me that it doesn't need to be here either. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 21:24, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The book is absolutely happening.  Want to keep a redlink off?  fine, but the purposes of accuracy need to trump whatever else is happening.  Check the AfD, check the DRV, check the diffs in this page as for the announcements. Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As per above, prove it. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 21:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Ed, but you can't create an article based on your assertion that the subject of said article will exist at some point in the near future. If you provide exact links, we can look at them; however, as it is now, the article stays the same. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 18:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Anyway, I'm going to unprotect the article now; please don't edit war. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 18:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done nothing of the sort.  I'll also note your lack of response to my original reply to you. Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 19:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't keep track of every reply I get over dozens of pages. I'll respond now, though. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 20:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

text: There are cerainly a LOT of hits from googling it. Aside from blog entries, there's hits from various book sellers as well as a youtube spoiler. I cannot find the Publishers Weekly cite, that would certainly sure it up beyond its current state. I think it's very safe to say that the book merits mention as something that is discussed at such length, even if it is not a confirmed published book. Maybe something along the lines of 'the next book in the series, which early reports suggest is to be titled P.S. I Loathe You, is due to be published in xxx 09.' with all the relevant in line citations to amazon etc. in place. Is that not an acceptable compromise? Mfield (talk) 19:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't create an article based on that. It could be included in this article, but this main issue was this redlink Ed kept throwing in, apparently. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 20:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a question of creating an article all based on this, is a question of this as yet unpublished book, which, since it is the subject of significant blog coverage, - including the author's own blog - and is listed on multiple booksellers sites, at least merits mention, although not being listed in directly in the series. This is the bones of the prior dispute between the other editors - whether the unpublished book should even be mentioned or not. I certainly agree with User:AnmaFinotera that the title should not be redlinked, certainly not without a confirmed release date. Mfield (talk) 20:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Even when I didn't redlink it, you went after me. Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 15:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Don't expect a change, consensus isn't what's governing these pages. Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 00:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

text: As Hachett has now also put the book on its website, the book has been added to list. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The book was on the website months ago.  Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 21:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  P.S. I Loathe You 

message: Alloy Entertainment’s 2008 Frankfurt Foreign Rights Guide says P.S. I Loathe You is scheduled for release in February 2009, gives a summary for it, and also says that "Little, Brown signed up books Nos. 9–12". (And that "the book has been translated into 16 languages"—should this be mentioned in either this article or that of the first book?) --Kletta (talk) 14:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't expect a change, consensus isn't what's governing these pages. Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 00:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

text: As Hachett has now also put the book on its website, the book has been added to list. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The book was on the website months ago.  Ed Wood's Wig (talk) 21:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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