Talk:Goguryeo–Sui War

message: Reason:the span of this article is too long.abount 500 or 600 years.It's not suitable to put all the odds in the same article.Just like the war between German and France,we cann't put together all the 3 majors conflits between the two countries.see Franco-Prussian War,Western Front (World War I) and Battle of France.--Ksyrie 00:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Split this article into subarticle

message: Please, an Admin may him merge :
* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goguryeo-Sui_wars&action=history
* and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goguryeo-Sui_Wars&action=history
--Yug (talk) 23:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge historics  

message: There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Sino-Xiongnu War - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RM bot 22:21, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
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message: The Battle of Yoha river is in both the Book of Sui and the Samguk Yusa. It was the first battle between an army of 10,000 goguryeo and the army of 100,000 Sui forces in present day Hebei province. It is a battle i want to put in the war. I also researched the numbers of Sui that invaded Goguryeo. If the main army is 1,130,000 then there must be a logistics force twice the size and it was recorded in both historical texts that there were at total of 3 million sui men that invaded Goguryeo. The number of deaths were also recorded to be atleast 2 million for the Sui.Stevenloveswaffles15 (talk) 03:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Samgungnyusa is not a reliable source as it is a work of propaganda. We need reliable sources, which means secondary sources. Ogress smash! 04:26, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

text: reliable sources Ogress smash! 06:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to add the Battle of Yoha river and to change the number of troops in Sui and the number of troops that died after the war in Sui. 

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message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Goguryeo–Sui War's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Nahm":
From South Korea: 
From Battle of Salsu:  "China, which had been split into many states since the early 3rd century, was reunified by the Sui dynasty at the end of the 6th century. Soon after that, Sui China mobilized a large number of troops and launched war against Koguryŏ. However, the people of Koguryŏ were united and they were able to repel the Chinese aggressors. In 612, Sui troops invaded Korea again, but Koguryŏ forces fought bravely and destroyed Sui troops everywhere. General Ŭlchi Mundŏk of Koguryŏ completely wiped out some 300,000 Sui troops which came across the Yalu River in the battles near the Salsu River (now Ch'ŏngch'ŏn River) with his ingenious military tactics. Only 2,700 Sui troops were able to flee from Korea. The Sui dynasty, which wasted so much energy and manpower in aggressive wars against Koguryŏ, fell in 618."
From Korea:  "China, which had been split into many states since the early 3rd century, was reunified by the Sui dynasty at the end of the 6th century. Soon after that, Sui China mobilized a large number of troops and launched war against Koguryŏ. However, the people of Koguryŏ were united and they were able to repel the Chinese aggressors. In 612, Sui troops invaded Korea again, but Koguryŏ forces fought bravely and destroyed Sui troops everywhere. General Ŭlchi Mundŏk of Koguryŏ completely wiped out some 300,000 Sui troops which came across the Yalu River in the battles near the Salsu River (now Ch'ŏngch'ŏn River) with his ingenious military tactics. Only 2,700 Sui troops were able to flee from Korea. The Sui dynasty, which wasted so much energy and manpower in aggressive wars against Koguryŏ, fell in 618."
From History of Korea: 
Reference named "Lee":
From Goguryeo: 
From Battle of Salsu:  "Koguryŏ was the first to open hostilities, with a bold assault across the Liao River against Liao-hsi, in 598. The Sui emperor, Wen Ti, launched a retaliatory attack on Koguryŏ but met with reverses and turned back in mid-course. Yang Ti, the next Sui emperor, proceeded in 612 to mount an invasion of unprecedented magnitude, marshalling a huge force said to number over a million men. And when his armies failed to take Liao-tung Fortress (modern Liao-yang), the anchor of Koguryŏ's first line of defense, he had a nearly a third of his forces, some 300,000 strong, break off the battle there and strike directly at the Koguryŏ capital of P'yŏngyang. But the Sui army was lured into a trap by the famed Koguryŏ commander Ŭlchi Mundŏk, and suffered a calamitous defeat at the Salsu (Ch'ŏngch'ŏn) River. It is said that only 2,700 of the 300,000 Sui soldiers who had crossed the Yalu survived to find their way back, and the Sui emperor now lifted the siege of Liao-tung Fortress and withdrew his forces to China proper. Yang Ti continued to send his armies against Koguryŏ but again without success, and before long his war-weakened empire crumbled."
From History of Korea: 
From Three Kingdoms of Korea: Lee, Sung-joo. (1998). Silla–Gaya Sahwoe-eui Giwon-gwa Seongjang [The Rise and Growth of Society in Silla and Gaya]. Seoul: Hakyeon Munhwasa.
From Jangsu of Goguryeo: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:14, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Goguryeo–Sui War]] 

message: Since this is a non-European, non-Christian conflict, should we switch from AD to CE? Tpsreport84 (talk) 19:19, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice you have been adding CE to other articles that have got only European, Western themes, so what's your story really?--154.59.156.78 (talk) 12:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Date Terminology