Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign/Archive 05

message: I've removed the easy version, as noone likes it.
I've lowercased the headings, to mirror the current version. Hopefully will result in shorter arguments (argument for change likely to be less emotional than argument against change.)
:The following section is an archived debate of the proposed change to the project page layout. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Result of discussion: No caps per WP:SNOW --DavidHOzAu 03:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: final changes, and options

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*for or  Against 
** against but don't care that much. --gatoatigrado 02:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 
Capitalisation of box headers


message: I really believe in an encyclopedia an A-Z index belongs in the navigation box. Electionworld Talk? 08:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The trouble is that the Wikipedia:Quick_index page is really clunky. I never use it, and I doubt many people do. It is nice to occasionally look at, but it is not really usable or helpful. It is on the "reserve list" above, so you could argue for its inclusion at a later date. I have similar doubts about how useful Wikipedia:Questions is, as it is a signpost poiting to other pages, not all of which should really be two clicks away from the Main Page in my opinion. Carcharoth 12:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, it currently uses the Special:Allpages feature, when, in my opinion, it should use the Special:Prefixindex feature. Compare Special:Allpages/AA to Special:Prefixindex/AA. I'll raise this over there. Carcharoth 12:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, I'll add an option to remove that link to the "final changes" list. --Quiddity 18:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-Z / Prefixindex

message: navigation
type=search
buttonlabel=Go
searchlabel=Search
labeltext=Search all  articles:
id=searchInput
searchbuttonlabel=Search
width=17
* Main page
* Featured content
* Current events
* Portals
* Categories
* Random article
How about putting the search box inside the navigation box, as shown here? I think it is the most essential part of navigation, and it doesn't only search it also lets you navigate to each individual article. --WS 19:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Was suggested many times, in many styles (see the archives). Too many people dislike the concept though. sorry. --Quiddity 21:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it. I like A-Z too. Electionworld Talk? 22:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dislike it. The Wikipedia search function is still not ideal, so promoting it over well-organised content seems wrong. I suspect many people use Google or other ways of searching Wikipedia. Also, people are used to the current placement. Too much change will get people upset. Carcharoth 00:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Comment added to section above about A-Z stuff. Carcharoth 12:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Search inside navigation box 

message: I mentioned this when there was a donations link in the Main Page redesign (the link got dropped), but the current link takes you straight to a page section talking about credit card details. This is rather abrupt for someone clicking on the link for the first time (those who have already donated won't be put off by having to scroll down). I think the link should direct to the page in general (not the section), allowing people to read a bit about why and how to make a donation, before being confronted with credit card details. In other words, change the link from WikiMedia:Fundraising#Donation_methods to WikiMedia:Fundraising. Does this sound acceptable, and if so, can this reasoning be added to the rationale on the front page of this project? Carcharoth 22:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I Strongly agree. --Quiddity 01:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It sounds acceptable; the old link skips the preamble which explains exactly where the donations are going. --DavidHOzAu 03:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And looking more closely, that preamble points to the budget for 2005... Surely the 2006 budget should be out now and the link should point there? Does anyone have an account at Meta to try and correct that? See also here, where people are asking for updates on what is happening with their money for 2006. Carcharoth 20:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The CFO seems to be in the middle of a changeover. I didn't put comments anywhere, as I imagine the new CFO(?) has their hands full. --Quiddity 18:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. I did put some comments somewhere, but as you say - hands full. I'll try and remember at a later date. Carcharoth 11:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donations link 

message: I just recently went back to Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability, and I was wondering why this project (or rather proposal) isn't part of that or advertised there. Carcharoth 00:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was hiding at the bottom of the talk page (under a crazy rant) ;) --Quiddity 03:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Usability 

message: Searchbox redesign threads moved to Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Searchbox redesign. Thanks. --Quiddity 18:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Search discussion