Talk:Jesse Jackson Jr.

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Regarding your edit at the Jesse Jackson, Jr. page. Is it really necessary to retain the old photo of him? It seems rather odd to have before-and-after weight-loss images of a US Congressman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaser (talk • contribs) 
:Well, as I said, he may regain the weight (in my experience: he will). There will always be a new official photo every two years, probably. Ultimately I don't see why not; we have other photos of famous people at different points in their lives, it's just that these two are public domain and thus free for us to use. --Dhartung | Talk 05:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems odd to have two photos of him where one would do for such a short article, but beyond that the message it conveys (and I don't mean that this was intentional) seems POV. It's almost as though the article makes fun of (or overnotes) his former girth. While that might be appropriate for public figures like Oprah, I don't think it makes sense for Jackson, who is not on TV all the time like his father. (Also, given his surgery, I don't think he'll gain it back.) --Chaser (T) 06:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly didn't intend it that way -- if anything in making the edit I had complimentary thoughts in mind. Of course I tried to write it in an NPOV way. The sad fact about the surgery is that it is not universally and permanently effective (as indicated, in my experience), although he appears to be doing well about a year later now. I've heard it described as 10 times harder than quitting smoking. Anyway ... Jackson is certainly a public figure in Chicago, and for those who don't see him, reading about his weight loss and seeing only one picture seems like you're only getting half the story. That's where I come into some articles -- I see an obvious question unanswered. Ultimately the article could stand some beefing up, as he's mentioned as a potential future Mayor of Chicago. If the article had more concrete information, this factoid wouldn't stand out so much. --Dhartung | Talk 06:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: seems like you're only getting half the story Good point. Let's leave the picture. I'll put this page on my project list and hopefully expand it some. --Chaser (T) 06:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Personal unsubstantiated opinion would be that he becomes a cabinet member and Sandi Jackson take his seat in Congress.  I am starting a wild rumor with this specualation though.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  14:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: More unofficial rumor mongering: I could see his article expanding with a promotion to the United States Cabinet in any of these positions: Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Health and Human Services, and Secretary of Labor.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  01:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I should clarify my joke by saying that the cabinet positions I think his political interests would most naturally propel him toward would be the above.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  03:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackson photo 

message: needs to be merged/prosified within the article in order to forbid trivial information in order to gain a GA status. miranda 02:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thx.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  06:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Information 

message: I have reorganized the 2006+ section along the lines of 2001-06. I've shifted other material around - his martial arts enthusiasm and his spat in Congress has gone into Personal, and a couple of items in the personal section have been repositioned in political sections. This article has a life of its own - it's grown to over 6,300 words, and I've no doubt you have more stuff up your sleeve. So I'm calling a halt to this review.
The article is in my view of GA standard. Ideally I would like to give it a thorough copyedit, because I don't think that the prose is quite right yet. I did a bit of editing when I was shifting stuff around, but it needs a lot more. Also, if it was up to me, I'd look for a way of losing a thousand words of text. The reason is, as I indicated before, there's a lot more mileage in Jesse Jr's career so the article is bound to expand, perhaps (anticipating Obama's victory in November) quite soon. Although I understand your desire to have as much of his career recorded as possible, I'm not sure a Wikipedia article is the best means for this. Perhaps you should write a biography.  
So we disagree on certain things but that hasn't stopped us working things out. I am sure that the article is a lot better than it was when the review started.  On to peer review, then, and I shall be interested to see how that debate develops.
As a matter of formality: the article passes all six GA criteria. Four of these are shoo-ins - verifiability, breadth, stability and images. As to the other two, the article is well-written enough to pass, but I think the prose could be improved. Also there is danger to readabilty in the presentation of too many facts. As to neutrality, the article's tone is very supportive of Jackson Jr, without clearly breaching POV in my view, but others might feel differntly.
I'm off to promote the article now. Good luck for its future. Brianboulton (talk) 00:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have archived the detailed GA discussion. Brianboulton (talk) 17:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Final GA Review comments

message: At WP:NORN I was told that if no other source is available, I could use biographical information contained in  A More Perfect Union: Advancing New American Rights as a source of last resort for early biographical detail.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  13:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:OR]] concerns 

message: I updated to the latest template (a few more fields) and removed the Black Congressional Caucus links as their 'profile' simply links to Jackson's official government site. Flatterworld (talk) 04:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I have added some speculation and cite from AP and Yahoo.  Please discuss before erasing it. Bearian (talk) 01:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Senate 

message: This sentence could use some, um, grammar fixes. Cirt (talk) 09:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Since Obama's was the only U.S. Senate seat held by a black politician, and black leaders have been pressuring Blagojevich to appoint a black successor." 

message: I would suggest seperate articles to downsize the main article. I would suggest doing an Early life of Jesse Jackson, Jr., Early career of Jesse Jackson, Jr.(covering his pre-US congressional career]], U.S. congressional career of Jesse Jackson, Jr., and maybe a Personal life of Jesse Jackson, Jr.--Levineps (talk) 17:04, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a good idea to me.  I see that there is lots of interest in him. :-)  Borock (talk) 14:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is indeed quite large.Shashamula (talk) 15:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think many readers will finish it in one sitting. Clearly, to me anyway :-), subarticles should be split off. Borock (talk) 14:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia:Splitting, the article is still in the range where it is approaching splitting.  It is at about 55KB.  When it gets to 60KB, we should reconsider.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  17:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we consider that this is an article about one person?  It seems far longer than most.  A lot of people will access the article trying to get some basic info on Mr. Jackson and I think that they are given far more than they can digest in one sitting. Borock (talk) 18:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think the guidelines are about articles written for two or more people.  See WP:SPLITTING.  The article is 53.1 KB Readable prose--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  01:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not an expert on WP guidelines. :-)  But yes, if it was about a larger subject than one person's life and career more people would read the whole thing.  I am in favor of more articles on Mr. Jackson, as there are on Barack Obama, so that all the information editors want to include can be, well, included somewhere and readers who want just the basic facts can read this article. Borock (talk) 14:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The size of the subject has nothting to do with the number of people in the subject.  Barack Obama is one of the largest subjects and he is a single person.  I am in favor of multiple subjects for Jackson when and if his main article gets to the size (60KB) where that is appropriate according to WP:SPLITTING].  At 53.1 KB of encyclopedic content it would be inconvenient to force the reader to bounce around from article to article looking for details when they could all be in one place.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  16:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Mr. Jackson is important enough so that far more than 60 KB could be written about him. Borock (talk) 19:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Start adding content.  When you get to 60KB, I will help you split it.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  19:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll keep my eye out for the latest news about him. :-) Borock (talk) 02:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: seperate articles

message: I just removed some words in the introductory paragraph referring to Jackson as "Prince Jesse Louis Jackson, Jr." of the Agni people. I think that this topic should be discussed on this talk page before any additional edits on this topic are made. Penthamontar (talk) 07:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prince of the Agni 

message: Well Jackson was named among the 15 most corrupt people by the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. The article is well structured so I would ask where this should be included? Richard (talk) 19:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it won't be included. This article is structured as a massive propaganda piece. If you so much as suggest the man is a crook, your material will be stricken immediately. Facts don't matter here, the most aggressive propagandist wins. Chicago politics, man, can't you read? Look at the attempt in the article to link him to Obama. Get real.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.105.215 (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corruption 

message: This is supposedly an article about a US Rep, yet his Committee assignments (you know - his actual JOB) are buried at the very end. Was it the intention of the contributors to make him look like the ultimate political hack? I see that some above are claiming it's a propaganda piece for him, but imo it makes him look ridiculous. The structure (sequential) is appropriate for someone no longer in politics, but not for a sitting US Rep. Flatterworld (talk) 18:42, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure 

message: A section about his political views would be good. Abortion, marijuana, war on terror, health reform..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.112.209 (talk) 19:35, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political views 

message: Jackson is currently (July 10, 2012) in a Leave of Absence for an undisclosed medical (or psychological) ailment that has currently lasted over one month. This is easily sourced information, but is it as yet important enough to include in this article, or should we wait?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.165.61.69 (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's alright to include in the article, at least in its current format.  Any further information on the nature of his absence would have to be similarly well-sourced, though. TulsaCatholic (talk) 20:30, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leave of Absence 

message: Is Jackson's resignation immediate? or does it have to be approved by Governor Quinn. GoodDay (talk) 05:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Jackson submitted his resignation to Speaker Boehner. Quinn has nothing to do with the resignation, just the calling of the special election. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:07, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resignation 

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