Talk:Zoo TV Tour

message: what other artists have created alter egos for the stage?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.228.111 (talk) 22:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I Am… Tour, Best of Both Worlds Tour, The Fame Ball Tour, The Nightwatchman Tour (got deleted), maybe even Satanic Mick in The Rolling Stones American Tour 1969, probably some others I'm not thinking of.  Whether Bono influenced any of these ones that came after, I don't know.   Wasted Time R (talk) 23:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  MacPhisto, et.al. 

message: Was the first leg of the tour really called "The Inside Broadcast", as has been recently added to the article?  I think this is a little-used retronym applied after the fact.  Can you find any sources from that time that called it that?  By comparison, "The Outside Broadcast" was printed on ticket stubs (including one that I have) and used in promotional material, as were of course "Zooropa" and "Zoomerang" even more prominently.  Wasted Time R (talk) 04:25, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard it called the "inside broadcast". --Merbabu (talk) 08:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Inside Broadcast"? 

message: I dunno if much of this has been included in the article or not, but if the latter it could potentially be squeezed under Reception. I've added tidbits from this PDF article to "Discotheque" and "Miss Sarajevo", and it has some info on Zoo TV near the end. It's basically a commentary and analysis of how Irish music changed during the 1990s, and there's some suggestion that the Zoo TV Tour and U2's influence in Irish music may have played a part of it. Might be interesting if it can be worked in. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:36, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info? 

message: As a break from all the content disputes, it would great if someone could find a definite answer to:
# What was the worldwide gross of the tour? I could only get the North American gross.  I saw $155 million once for the worldwide, but it was uncited and quite possibly wrong.
# How did the worldwide figure compared with other tours up to then?  Again, I only got North American ranking.
# Did the tour earn a profit, lose, or more or less break even?   
These are key points that articles on tours like this always cover.  Wasted Time R (talk) 04:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't say I know all that. But, the band always harp on about them breaking even on T-shirt sales. Whether that's accurate or just myth/Bonolese who knows??? --Merbabu (talk) 05:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm making my way through "U2 at the End of the World". When I get to the end, I'll add whatever concluding information about the tour that is available. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 15:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I've now added Merbabu's T-shirt sales, as earthily stated by McGuinness, which put the tour slightly in the black overall.  Still don't have a total gross amount, though, which is what tours are most commonly ranked by. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. One wonders though how much credence we put on these comments. U2 are a private corporation and don't have to disclose much - and, who's to say the snippets they do toss out can be taken that seriously? --Merbabu (talk) 04:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have a point.  But the characterisations about high expenses, low profit margin on sold-out shows, and the tour overall making a small profit, are made by various writers, including Flanagan.  Presumably those writers have been convinced they are correct.  And they seem reasonable; the tour certainly was expensive to put on.  That T-shirt sales made the difference and that the group was close to bankruptcy are quotes from McGuinness and Bono; the reader can decide if there's hyperbole in them or not.  The first really isn't surprising (lots of promoters make their money off parking and concessions, this is sort of the equivalent for the artist) and the latter, assuming true, shows that the group was living on the edge financially as well as artistically. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gross, ranking and profit 

message: Woo hoo! I found it finally many years after my VHS copy faded away. ZooTV 92 Christmas Special. Just insert the numbers up to 13. Great for background. --Merbabu (talk) 00:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome, but I can guarantee that if the remaster does come out this year that video will almost certainly be on of the bonus features. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This was filmed at Yankee Stadium! Oh man, this will be a fun watch! Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 23:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I have no idea what I am doing here procedure wise on wikipedia, and I could be factually mistaken, but I think the 5 March 1992 Atlanta concert date was at the newly opened Georgia Dome and NOT the Omni, as stated in the chart. I was there and unless old age is kicking in, the show was at The Dome. Please notice that U2 did play a few years earlier at the Omni...but my memory combined with the fact that the GA Dome had just opened, leads me to believe the chart is wrong. This link suggests I am right: http://www.levyrestaurants.com/Levy/DiningExperiences/SportsAndEntertainment/Georgia+Dome.htm
Terry  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.32.69 (talk) 07:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For future reference, please do not place new discussions/topics inside old discussion sections. I think you are mistaken: U2.com, u2gigs.com, u2station.com, and the book U2 Live all say the concert on March 5 was at The Omni - which makes sense, since that leg of the tour was devoted to American arenas. U2 returned to Georgia later that year for the outdoor leg, which saw them playing stadiums. September 25 was when they played the Georgia Dome. I would not trust one piece of information on that website you listed. They called the tour the "Pop Tour". The tours from 1992-1993 were called "Zoo TV" and the 1997 tour wasn't called the "Pop Tour" either - it was the "Popmart Tour". Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk •  contributions) 23:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Georgia Dome vs. The Omni

message: I changed this article a few days ago to include Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car and Lemon to be mentioned in the encores part of the show outline. After the Zooropa leg and the band moved on to the Australian (Zoomerang) leg Desire and Ultraviolet were not included in the set list. Desire wasn't played until the Popmart Tour and Ultraviolet wasn't played until the 360 Tour. These songs were replaced by Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car and Lemon. This is shown on the Live in Sydney dvd. If you check the set lists from this part of the tour this continued until the end of the tour. With Or Without You and Love Is Blindness were still played afterwards. I am going to change it back. Whoever changed it after I corrected it last time don't do it again check your facts! If you don't like the way I wrote it you rewrite it in your words.
Source: 
http://www.u2setlists.com/zooropa.shtml - at the bottom of the page it notes that Desire is not played again until 1997 and Ultraviolet until 2009.
http://www.u2setlists.com/zoomerang-newzooland.shtml - this is the final leg and the encore is always the same: Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car, Lemon, With Or Without You, Love Is Blindness, Can't Help Falling In Love.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.16.216 (talk) 08:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As per Y2kcrazyjoker4's edit summaries and mine, it's better to cover Zoomerang set list changes in the "Recording and release of Zooropa" section, which the article already does.  The point of the show description sections is to capture what most of the shows looked like, not cover every exception along the way.  After all, Zoomerang was only 10 shows out of the tour's 157. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree with Wasted Time R, the concert setlist more or less stayed intact as it was throughout the duration of the tour, albeit with a few minor changes (dropping some of the latter Achtung Baby tracks). The Zoomerang/New Zooland leg was the last ten shows. Even though the Zooropa album had been released in early July of 1993, U2 did not include its songs all at once in the live set. As previously mentioned in the article, Zooropa and Babyface were dropped after a handful of performances. Squaredroot (talk) 01:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encore set list change Desire and Ultraviolet to Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car and Lemon 

message: From the page: "A seventh Trabant by the B-stage doubled as a DJ booth and a mirror ball." I take it this Trabant was also suspended from the stage, except gently revolving ala a mirror ball, but was this also the case when being used as a DJ booth? When was it used in the U2 sets (i.e. was it used during any performances specifically)? Is this also the mirror ball referred to in the PopMart Tour page? --TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 17:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mirror ball Trabant 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm not sure how useful the recent addition of box office figures (attendance and revenue) is to the "Tour dates" section, given that the data is missing for over half of the dates.  And at some point all this information gets into WP:NOTADIR territory.
Furthermore, all the U.S. figures are sourced to the "Boxscore" feature in Billboard, whose figures were not always accurate.  In particular, page 17 of this issue lists the 2–3 September 1992 shows at Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia as combined attendance "88,684 sellout".  The second of these shows was one of the shows I saw on the tour and it was most definitely not a sellout.  I had bought the ticket a week or two before the show, as they were readily available.  I took detailed notes at the show and they say "Lots of empty seats – almost all but lower part of upper deck empty."  And 44,000 is too low for the concert capacity of Veterans Stadium, which was huge (this news piece puts concert capacity at 55,000–60,000, where the low end would apply here given the Zoo TV stage was larger than average for outdoor acts).  I suspect the combined attendance figure itself may be right but it was 54,000 first show and 34,000 second show, something like that.  
I know, I know, WP is about verifiability and not truth.  But just had to say this ...    Wasted Time R (talk) 11:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of box office figures and doubts about accuracy 

message: So Public Enemy did not open for U2 at this show.  Trust me, I would have remembered that!  Not sure if the rest of the block in the chart is correct or not, but the openers were the Sugarcubes and The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy. See: http://tours.atu2.com/concert/arrowhead-stadium-oct-18-1992  Sorry I'm too lazy to actually edit the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.87.108.134 (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Act at Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, October 18, 1992 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: hi,
it seems the main contributor to this page does not like that i have explicitly stated the anti-fascist themes of the zoo tv tour, and presumably the zooropa album.
they claim that the source i used references the opening act (macnas) only, and not the ideas.
however, one website that discussed parts of the show mentions:
further, what is being said by macnas really does fit the theme of zoo tv and zooropa in general. the cover of zooropa is an alien with the stars of europe around it, and there are many messages that confirm or support the macnas artist's claim of being anti-fascist.
indeed, the rolling stone in 1993 (when it was good) also seems to support this:
the question i have for other fans: is it wrong to explicitly state that zooropa and the zoo tv tour were a provocative way of addressing the manifestations of fascism? to me it seems obvious, but the main contributor of this page seems to oppose that. 50.99.255.205 (talk)
:What I am objecting to is the way you are adding the info and the lack of reliable sources you are using. The Macnas article does not mention U2's inspirations or ideas behind the tour, just the members of the Macnas troupe using their pre-show performance to mock fascism. You are trying to connect dots without a reference explicitly stating what you have written. Also, you added info to the Conception section as the first sentence claiming that anti-fascism was the inspiration for the tour... which it most certainly was not. Disparate TV programming, morning zoo radio, bootlegs of U2's concerts - these were the ideas behind the tour. Anti-fascism was a theme that was largely incorporated for the 1993 shows. Furthermore, the Three Chords and the Truth website is not a reliable source, so whatever you are trying to source from there cannot be used without identifying another, more reliable source. Lastly, the article already touches on the topic of anti-fascism - the info on the 1993 introductory video in the Show Overview section discusses U2's growing concern with radical nationalism. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk •  contributions) 18:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  don't you think it's fair to change "radical nationalism" to "fascism"? it seems kind of obtuse to avoid a more apt term. i didn't find the word and this was a large reason for my hunt. lastly, i find this zoo world order article to be handy. if you're going to be so touchy about your page, incorporate it somewhere because it was hard to find and it's a quality support for the anti fascist theme. i didn't know it came on in 1993, but i won't argue with that. boy you must be older than bono.nevermind, i see it has been sourced. you're very touchy over U2 articles, by the way . you undid my solid rewording of the zooropa (song) lede without basis. saying it wasn't an improvement. the english was terrible and you simply reverted and reworked it to your liking. you cannot be so controlling over U2 articles on this website. 50.99.255.205 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 23:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  anti-fascist themes of zooropa and the zootv tour 

message: @User:AidenTEM Sir, "drunk driving accident" is itself "load language". It is not even remotely impartial. It is the direct opposite. I removed the impartial, loaded language and replaced it with a neutral term. You restored the bias. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a matter of semantics. Accident doesn't point the finger at anyone. Sure, that may change in court later, but Wikipedia is not a courtroom. We do not need to use any loaded or biased language, and changing the word from 'accident' to 'crash', especially across multiple articles, comes off as changing the language to an assumption of guilt, especially when paired with your edit summary of 'drunk driving is no accident' in response to my revert. AidenTEM (talk) 01:52, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

text: I'd also like to apologize for my report, this was completely the wrong scenario for that measure and I accept my failure to fully read the documentation before doing so - I have removed the report and apologize again. AidenTEM (talk) 01:57, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @User:AidenTEM I appreciate your apology. I will pause my edits on this matter until further agreement can be come to. I disagree that the matter is merely semantic. The main article is "Traffic collision", and you can see in the first section there's a paragraph discussing the problems with referring to all collisions/crashes/incidents as "accidents". The POV issue here (it was my intent to remove a POV, rather than insert one) is that calling every collision or incident an "accident" does in fact take the stance that the driver wasn't at fault, it points the finger away. And why should the finger be pointed...to or away? I don't see how terms like incident, crash, or collision are assigning guilt. Would you prefer to use collision over crash? That's fine with me. In the specific case of drunk driving, a crime, it seemed especially obvious to me that those are the results of choices made. A person doesn't accidentally drink to the point of drunkenness and then accidentally get behind the wheel of a car. Thanks again. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:11, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  No such thing as a "Drunk driving accident"