Talk:Dog fighting

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message: I am just wondering—as a question to the active editors of this page—do you intend to mention more current or recent instances of dog fighting? Or do you intend to suppress discussion of that in the article, even if properly cited, etc. as per Wikipedia?
I noticed this comment below: “Nor am I interested in a Google Search that brings up anything that relates to the Michael Vick Dogfighting Case anywhere on the internet, including media and other websites.”
Or is the intention to present dog-fighting in the US as something that has died out entirely? I wish that were the case, but do not believe so, from knowing that bear-baiting occurred as recently as 2012 and dog-fighting continues, e.g.,
Dog Fighting is Thriving in U.S. - Hundreds of Pit Bulls Seized in 2021
I have no plans to use that or make the case, at this point, I just want to see what your plans are. I think recent and notable incidents should be included, but are you against this, for any reason? Veritas Aeterna (talk) 18:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Blood sports were declared illegal in the early to mid-19th Century, so there is not much factual/verifiable material available. Most of the information is based on anecdotal accounts. Individual incidents should not be included if the purpose is to drive fear based on unverifiable or anecdotal  accounts. Single incidents rarely pass WP:10YT, and there simply is not enough material included in an offero=. Clandestine blood sports are illegal and that should be the extent of what needs to be said about dog fighting beyond its historical significance.  People commit all kinds of crimes, including dog and cock fighting, bull fighting, and whatever other horrific live animal on animal "sport" is trending. On the other hand, if the person is notable enough to include their illegal dog fighting activity in their WP bio, then we include it. Dog fighting as an article should focus on historic events dating back to when it was an accepted blood sport ... but guess what? There is little to no documented information dating that far back, so what we are left with is anecdotal information and a lot of guess work. Be prepared to keep digging. The most trustworthy material comes from academia and historians. Atsme 💬 📧 20:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your reply. I overlooked Dog fighting in the United States, which has quite good coverage but may need updating. That article includes Michael Vick and others, along with coverage of bait animals, organized crime, and so on. No, the purpose is to  understand what is really going on and how it affects public safety. I did not believe bear baiting could exist now--I thought surely it had died out some 500 years ago, but then I saw the video from South Carolina from 2012, and could not believe what I saw. Better to know the truth, that is what Wikipedia is all about. Veritas Aeterna (talk) 21:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at this page, and at the US page, with this in mind, and I think the way things are at this page works well. Vick is notable in part for the very fact of his prosecution for dog fighting, which received such intensive coverage that recentism isn't a problem in this case, so it's entirely appropriate for the US page. But I don't see focusing on single individuals for this page, just as a matter of WP:DUE weight. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will there be Coverage of Michael Vick and the Ongoing Nature of Dog-fighting? 

message: Near the beginning it says that it is still legal in Honduras, but later it says it isn’t. Can’t both be correct. 80.192.238.117 (talk) 18:14, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legality in Honduras