Talk:Alfa Romeo Giulietta (1954)

message: Is it neccessary to have all of three? Most english language Alfa Romeo owners manuals I have seen, either list BHP (and KW in brackets), or in one example from the 1960s, simply BHP SAE, even though bore and stroke are in mm and total displacement is given in cc, there is no mention of kW or PS. Futhermore, can we really state the original figures were PS? Otherwise, unless we can be certain the original data was PS, it is incorrect (as well as being original research) to then convert the numbers to hp. In the David Owen book, the figures given are in BHP (80 BHP for the Giulietta Sprint, 100 for the Sprint Speciale) and the same with most other english language publications.  --Xagent86 (Talk | contribs) 09:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Im not sure about those power ratings, maybe they are bhp, quite many sources doesnt tell exactly what is the standard for power listings, there is errors in many cases, very often bhp and PS are mixed up. But maybe kw and bhp are enough, needs then fixing some older model Alfa pages and find exact ratings.... That template makes 3 automatically, thats the reason for them. .  btw is there any english term for PS? or is bhp the way british magazines lists these? it sounds quite odd to have german PS term in english language wikipedia, why thats have been chosen? which seems to be WikiProject Automobiles way to impress power, see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Automobiles/Conventions,  we could use cv for italian vehicles.. :)  anyway kW is the current standard--Typ932 10:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: the templates are here  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Automobile_conversion_templates, I would like to have also bhp to kW, template, which is now missing.. --Typ932 10:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand your reasoning, having now seen the guidelines on WikiProject Automobiles. They seem a bit odd, but they might have their place. However they don't overide the Wikipedia policy of reliable sources or of no original research. If we are to claim that the original 1950s Horsepower data from Alfa Romeo is in PS, rather than HP, we should be able to show those reliable sources. If we take a figure of 80 Horsepower (e.g. Giulietta Sprint) from a source and decide that since some European car horsepower figures are in PS, then this must also have been in PS, and then conclude that we should display this as 80 PS (78.9 hp/58.8 kW), then I believe we have carried out original research, which is something we should not do in an encyclopedia. But maybe this discussion should be on the WikiProject Automobiles talk page. --Xagent86 (Talk | contribs) 13:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To address an earlier comment, I'm not so much interested in modern cars, but I've noticed Australian and New Zealand new car magazines use kW and have for a few years now. I haven't looked at many modern British magazines lately, but I seem to recall most use bhp. Regarding Alfa Romeo, most english language publicatons use hp or bhp. For example David Owen's books on Alfa Romeo (at least the ones I've read) use bhp. So does almost every motor racing publication. So does the Alfa Romeo UK site. I suspect that in 1953, the dynos used at Alfa Romeo, weren't able to differentiate between 80 bhp and 78.9 bhp on a reliable basis, so it probably didn't matter. --Xagent86 (Talk | contribs) 13:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think those older models figures could be changed to bhp (or hp) needs some verifying of course. Ill ask if such template could be made for automatic bhp (kW) and even PS conversion. --Typ932 14:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Horsepower#PS|PS]], [[Horsepower|HP]] and [[kW]]

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message: Who thought including photos without the model year was a good idea? Or, at least, what series?  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 07:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Except one should be keen to avoid those unproductive p**sing contests between folks who can't agree on a definition for a model year.   And then you have those photographers who upload halfway decent pictures of cars even if they don't know what they are or when they were announced/made/sold.  (Yup - it has sometimes been me)   But I tried a little more info for the image at the top of the Alfa Romeo Giulietta (750/101) page.   Feel free to correct or improve.   And have a nice day!   No, really ..... Charles01 (talk) 08:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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