Talk:Master–slave (technology)

message: One could argue it should be OK to use the term master and slave for inanimate objects and to avoid it entirely for sentient creatures. After all, there's little harm in enslaving an inanimate device, so protecting them from discriminatory language makes little sense.  With people, however, there should be zero tolerance.
The cultural issues that arise from the term in old human-slave-owning jurisdictions all involve enslaved humans.  There are a veritable plethora of terms that are acceptable for objects but not people, and I don't see why this is not also an example.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.242.142.222 (talk) 23:27, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @177.242.142.222 Thank you for your input. Unfortunately, talk pages are for discussing the article's subject in the context of improving the article itself and not the subject in isolation. If you have reliable sources that share your views, feel free to add them to the article. Happy editing! Somers-all-the-time (talk) 00:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: A modest proposal

message: ::I just want to verify whether or not the Microsoft Excel e-mail from Mr. Sandoval that someone added to the article needs to be confirmed as Fair Use or entitled to be public altogether. I mean, I do think it's appropriate, albeit not commonly found in encyclopedic material, but I think it's best to know for a fact that it's legal to add to the article.
Thanks,
-Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 03:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excel e-mail 

message: Btw, is there a Wiki Project we could list this under? I'd imagine there is and as such we should add it to that category.
Thanks again,
-Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 03:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki Project? 

message: As a tech writer, I would be eager to not use "master/slave"... but has anyone found any suitable alternatives being used in the industry? Please add to article if so... wish City of L.A. had done so... ---Ransom (--67.91.216.67 (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PC alternative 

message: Following up on user 67.91.216.67's request, I couldn't find any references to alternative terminology being used. I brainstormed a bit using WordVis, looking for words related to the concepts of "superior" & "subordinate", which though too long & wordy themselves to be good substitutes, still seem to be good, neutral equivalents to "master" & "slave". (Note that "master" is two-syllable & "slave" is one-syllable.) I came up with the shorter-word equivalent pair "ruler" & "ruled".
Wikipedia prohibits posting original research in articles, thus I'm posting here. If someone could please suggest an appropriate external site that I could post this to, I'll do that & we can then see what kind of response my idea gets. 
Brad (talk) 21:58, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: www.reddit.com/r/technology might be a good place to take it. Here at Wikipedia we simply report what terms are in common usage, but there is no reason why you cannot go elsewhere and try to influence common usage --Guy Macon (talk) 20:19, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed alternative : "ruler" & "ruled"

message: This is a rather important article as Web Services have become more important in usage across the Internet. There are many rather good sources that exist. Example: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Master+Slave . The article should remove the criticism section due to an irrelevant conversation about the terminology. If the article had more content it might be open to debate, but the term is simply an architecture verbiage that has no reference to Western Slavery. Shaded0 (talk) 02:14, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Article needs improvement

message: I removed the following from the controversy section because it only eliminates the need for the terminology in that specific instance (e.g. in database replication it still applies). It also violates NPOV because it implies that SATA was in part designed to elimnate the master/slave terminalogy, when in reality the goal was to use superior technology and designs. This also makes it a bit trivial to the subject matter.
With SATA replacing older IDE (PATA) drives, only one drive per connection is possible, eliminating the need for the terminology.
As a side note, I too wish there was better nomenclature for this, but Wikipedia is here to document notable information using well documented, reliable sources, not to spin up a new initiative. Argel1200 (talk) 19:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed SATA/PATA from Controversy section 

message: in addition to the examples already given, would it be useful to add a list of terms used as alternative to master/slave? 
i think it would be helpful to show that these terms mean the same thing.
* master/minion (saltstack)
* primary/secondary (bind)
* primary/replica (drupal and many others)
* leader/follower (django)
*       /worker (python)
* master/standby (postgresql)
* master/replica (mediawiki)
* others?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.20.75.241 (talk) 16:58, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I think that would be helpful. Mvolz (talk) 18:16, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of alternative terms? 

message: Citation #22 (correct number at date of this comment) references www.seattlepi.com, and this generates an error 451 from some locations (including UK). Testing with a VPN connection to continental USA showed that the cited reference is accessible within that region.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.215.68 (talk) 19:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation #22 on this page is not available in some geographical regions 

message: UNIX:
* http://www.nsc.ru/cgi-bin/www/unix_help/unix-man?yppush+8
* http://www.nsc.ru/cgi-bin/www/unix_help/unix-man?pty+4
* http://www.nsc.ru/cgi-bin/www/unix_help/unix-man?telnetd+8
* http://www.nsc.ru/cgi-bin/www/unix_help/unix-man?yppasswd+1
* http://www.nsc.ru/cgi-bin/www/unix_help/unix-man?ypchsh
* http://www.nsc.ru/cgi-bin/www/unix_help/unix-man?loader
* http://www.nsc.ru/cgi-bin/www/unix_help/unix-man?xterm+1
Linux:
* https://linux.die.net/man/3/slave
* https://linux.die.net/man/1/xterm
(...and so on. Linux pretty much has the same man pages as UNIX).
--Guy Macon (talk) 14:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  UNIX and Linux 

message: Whether perfect or not, the following is an example of the how much specific terms can be found on the internet.  On June 18 2020, the Google search engine returned the following results: • Sbmeirow • Talk • 16:06, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: those are meaningless numbers, and definitely not reference-able. For example, hard drive primary secondary returns 173m, hard drive main and secondary, the suggested replacement terminology, returns 232mil, with both blast your 27m outta the park. Unless you're going to check every one of those 27m results, its a hollow statement: by page 5 of your search its pulling up results for "Cooler Master" -- Strangerpete (talk) 15:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Primary and secondary are more commonly used generic drive terms than master slave, so obviously they will return more matches.  Your argument is an automatic failure.  • Sbmeirow • Talk • 01:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good job, you proved racism dominates the culture and, by consequence, search results. This explains or defends nothing for terminology created during segregation and peak ignorance, unless your argument is that Wikipedia should be at least as pro-racist as the culture instead of based in current fact and understanding. There's a lot of pro-racist arguments, as always based in emotion and "tradition," rather than any rational thought or quality. Tradition is why these terms are entrenched. Wikipedia's stance isn't equal time to all perspectives, or a defender of tradition, but a summary of knowledge accessible to all. That means putting entrenched terms in their proper historical context, not bowing to mob rule. The main damning facts is that there is no new widely accepted terminology, although the direction moving away from these terms is clear despite that lack of agreement. The summary of these terms is clearly moving towards an anti-racist stance, and technologists on the whole are removing entrenched racism from technology. WildElf (talk) 18:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entrenchment of terms 

message: *Mastercard Changes Name To Equalitycard
I'm just saying. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a reminder that The Babylon Bee is a news satire website!  For a list, see List of satirical news websites.  • Sbmeirow • Talk • 22:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem solved! 

message: Sbmeirow added an unbalanced banner, after previously having added one last week which was reverted. I'm confused about how the article is unbalanced. Terminological concerns about master/slave have received extensive coverage in the media in the past month (https://www.google.com/search?q=master/slave&tbm=nws), so it does seem to be a notable topic. If there are reliable sources arguing that the term "master/slave" should be maintained , those can be added, but I am not aware of any. —Enervation (talk) 01:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some coverage of opposition to changing the term, as reported in news articles, although I suppose that it doesn't do justice to just how much opposition there is in comments on GitHub, Hacker News, etc. Again, if there are reliable sources covering more of the other side of the controversy, please feel free to add it.  —Enervation (talk) 02:04, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article, the § Terminology concerns in particular, is still unbalanced toward native English speakers in industrialized nations that have a prominent problem with “racial” inequality (in other words, the US). I’m a German native and I’ve attended EE classes, in Germany, taught in German, and I claim nobody in class actually, even remotely thought of  (slavery) upon hearing M/S, but were busy understanding why/how this wiring configuration works. I mean, of course, when borrowing words from other languages, any historical associations aren’t automatically transposed even though German has of course the words  and . ‑‑ K (🗪 | ✍) 17:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unbalanced? 

message: `By the 21st century, it had become a subject of controversy`
Nonetheless, all three sources cited were written in summer 2020. This sentence is misleading as it generalises a relatively recent fashion with a whole century. In other words, look at a revision of this article from before 2019, if it were a long-term problem, it would have mentioned way before. But it doesn't. This so-called controversy of the 21st century started with the influence of the black lives movement to re-write computing terminology. So at least correct it to specify the real dates from when this `controversy' started. 79.71.60.124 (talk) 21:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue did not emerge only in 2020 -- see this 2003 article: https://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/11/26/master.term.reut/ -- AnonMoos (talk) 22:29, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  `By the 21th century' is misleading 

message: Is the terminology used by apache solr https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_8/index-replication.html (although they need to update their images as of 2022-08-19). Pier4r (talk) 13:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leader/Follower 

message: I have trimmed the section on the naming controversy, but I expect my changes to be contested, so I wanted to post my rationale here. The terminology debate is clearly relevant enough to be mentioned, but I agree with many of the comments above that it is 1. not germane to the topic of the general principle of two or more tasks in this relationship, or examples of that principle; and 2. highly Western centric and an example of recentism. Another issue was that it used many primary sources to establish different existing terminology for the master/slave concept, but only some of those sources established that it was a replacement term, versus simply alternative terms, many of which predate the wider controversy. I left the Python, Google, GitHub, and Linux examples as I think these are particularly large and well-known projects, that inform the reader of how influential the campaign had become. Ovinus (talk) 20:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: However idiotic or otherwise it may be, if it's notable and reliable sources are available, it's probably suitable as a topic for a Wikipedia article. AnonMoos (talk) 03:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on my changes 

message: This naming controversy is idiotic.    -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.74.108.114 (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: However idiotic or otherwise it may be, if it's notable and reliable sources are available, it's probably suitable as a topic for a Wikipedia article. AnonMoos (talk) 03:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: 2024

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 02:11, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Master/slave (technology) →  – MOS:/. Master and slave (technology) is acceptable as well. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 December 2023 

message: The article currently says, "...although in the context of version control, the term master simply refers to the gold master, a term borrowed from the recording industry which refers to the final mixed version of a recording, and does not have a corresponding slave."
No source is cited for this, and whoever wrote this didn't stop to think, "Hmm, I wonder where the term `master' in `gold master' came from?" The word "master" is older than both its computer usage and its recording usage, and has the same language origin, no matter how you cut it. So yes, "gold master" is still related to "slave", even if "slave" wasn't used in the recording context.
I've seen this argument before online and it's IMO just a lazy way to dismiss the issue, and not rooted in facts.
recommend deleting 2604:3D08:6B7F:DEB0:CCEC:4E0B:D65A:D9CC (talk) 20:58, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Kind of think you're wrong -- expressions such as "master thief", "chess grandmaster" etc. have nothing to do with slavery.  The "Master boot record" has no slaves (merely "partition volume boot records")... AnonMoos (talk) 10:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I've just deleted that part of the sentence you puts in quotes... it was tangential and uncited anyways. There is stuff in Wiktionary about the history of these words anyway, so I've added a template box to link to their Wiktionary entries instead. Em3rgent0rdr (talk) 05:52, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lazy writing without critical thought