Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 10

message: anyone like the new template I made? --gatoatigrado 19:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you can say no, it's okay...people were just complaining the current one is too big. --gatoatigrado 02:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd actually like to see both notices combined into a single one with a single message.  I'd make it say something like "This arictle references a future product.  Some information might be unconfirmed and other confirmed details may not be present in the final product". LighthouseJ 15:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: You could have at least said GayStation 3. At least that rhymes. As for the price, you've got it completely wrong. First of all, selling a product for more than it cost to make is called "making a profit," a rather common and arguably desirable business practice. Secondly, Sony isn't making a profit on the PS3 at all. Each PS3 costs over $1000 to make. Now, let's stop. I'm no Sony fan either, but this isn't GameFAQs. CrossEyed7 20:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, so you all have your varied ideas on the PS3, but what you need to remember is that the PS3 costs a lot of money to make, and no real company sells their hardware for a really low price just because that's what people want. If Sony did not charge such an amount of money, they would become bankrupt, and this would only please Nintendo and Microsoft. Sure the X-Box and Wii are cheaper, but consider this; to be cheaper, they obviously have lower manafacturing costs. The PS3 does not suck, regardless of what everyone else seems to think. The thing you should be worrying about is the shortage delays, not the price. And if you don't want to buy it straight away, you can always wait for some time until the price drops. Keep in mind that what with new and improved features and graphics, all new games are going to take longer, and cost more, to develop. Sure you might think that this makes the PS3 the 'worst console ever', but really, Sony are just trying to make theirs the best, and just so you know, they are succeeding, as always. - VampireX13 20:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new template? 

message: Full Auto 2 is only a timed exclusive game for the Playstation 2. Although Sega has only announced the game for the Playstation 3, they have not denied that an Xbox 360 game is in development. You can read about this regarding Full Auto 2 at http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13120 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mike mgoblue (talk • contribs) 16:56, 26 July 2006  (UTC)
:I'm sure you meant PlayStation 3, and nothing in that article supports your "timed exclusive" claim. If anything it may be considered unknown instead of exclusive, but he did say the word "exclusive" when referring to the PS3 version so I'd lean more toward that. --Kamasutra 07:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Full Auto 2

message: Aren't all launch titles suppose to give confirmation/referance links?
: in wp:not it is stated that Wikipedia is not a list of links. As before, it is much more appealing if the links are in the game pages. If citations are used, the template:cite should be used, not simply external links. If there is controversy about what is a launch title, please discuss it and perhaps notes can be added. Simply adding a reference does not indicate there is controversy about the title being a launch title. Adding references next to the title makes it seem like there is supporting evidence for the title being a launch title, and that this is some sort of confirmed fact. It's simply a planned deadline; we won't know until the games are out. That's why it says "subject to change". The wii article doesn't include references for each of their launch titles. Even Nintendo's "confirmation" that they have launch titles doesn't make it a fact or permanent. What would you like to see changed? --gatoatigrado 14:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Launch title confirmations

message: removed vertices / second, it depends on the amount of floating point operations, right? is this for one matrix multiply? the statistic isn't used very much. --gatoatigrado 15:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: also condensed other information. the rsx article has a shorter feature list than the playstation 3. --gatoatigrado 15:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why have a link to the RSX page when that page contains all the information on this page?-74.33.11.34 15:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  rsx should have more information. perhaps the link here will make someone edit it? i don't know, maybe we could remove some of the technical details in this article. the 1080p thing is stated too many times over, and HDR images is nothing new. --gatoatigrado 16:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  gpu 

message: I would simply like to voice my opinion that games with "Untitled" or "Unspecified" status should not be listed in an List of Games. Regardless of whether or not a game was displayed at a trade show, there needs to be at least a Working Title for the game in order to appear on a List of Games. 
I would also like to apologize for appearing to be a "fanboy." However, the way that there were dozens of "Untitled" games on the Playstation 3 List of Games clearly reveals that there was a Playstation fanboy who saw the huge list of games for the Xbox 360 and was very concerned that the Playstation 3 list of games was significantly smaller. I do apologize for taking up your time making sarcastic adjustments to the Playstation 3 List of Games by creating a list of "Untitled" games for several genres from 2007-2011; but, the developer of that page was very arrogont to list that many "unspecified" games--especially when you consider that the developer of the page didn't even bother to place an asterisk next to the games in order to show that the games were also appearing on either the PC or the Xbox 360. Once I updated the page to show that the games were appearing on other sytems, the developer of the page arrogantly changed the page so that the acknowledgment of appearance on other sytems was no longer a mandatory requirement. The reason why this occurred is pretty obvious. The coverage of the Wii has been done very nicely; I have not needed to contribute in many ways at all. 
I realize that the Wii is significantly less powerful than the Playstation 3 or the Xbox 360. However, in Famitusu magazine, Devil May Cry 4 Producer Hiroshi Kobayashi was not referring to the Wii version of the game when he said that the Playstation 3 trailor quality from the 2005 E3 would be maintained; he was referring to the Xbox 360 version of the game. A good example of this is the way that Call of Duty 3 is going to appear on all three systems. The Wii version looks far less impressive than the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions, but it includes a unique style of gameplay that the developers wanted to experiment with. 
Anyways, I thank you very much for all of your time.
: Mike, please sign. There's no need to apologize; this is a talk page and you can say whatever you want. I agree completely that the same standards should be maintained for the List of PlayStation 3 games, the List of Xbox 360 games, and the List of Wii games. I'm not going to make any shots at whether "untitled" qualifies, but in my opinion, there should be some media, news, or interview. However the list of games is not a list of major games like on this article, so if there's significant work in progress, it should be fine. I don't see what you're complaining about though - there is one "untitled" game in the List of PlayStation 3 games, five in the List of Xbox 360 games, and 28 in the List of Wii games. Did they allow you to change it? I think it looks nice now. --gatoatigrado 15:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally don't think the purpose of these articles is to provide a competitive comparison of products. Rather, it is to provide the complete truth for any purpose. I initially came to it because I was interested in finding some popular development tools for OpenGL. There's a lot of crud floating around about the PlayStation 3; your comments about the PlayStation 3 having less developer support can be contradicted by  and . If anyone decides to add this information, I (and others) will try to make sure it remains factual and concise. There's no need to rant, rave, or even mention about Sony getting more dev kits out and on time. --gatoatigrado 15:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Noticing that both other lists designate multiplatform games, it's only fair to do so for the PlayStation 3 list of games. I am far too lazy to add all of this information, but if anyone reverts your work call an admin or leave a warning. "He was referring to the Xbox 360 version" - there is no xbox 360 version confirmed. Maybe the same story as Sony referring (or reporters thought they were) to the Killzone trailer and saying it was realtime? You should leave the Devil May Cry thing until  you find better evidence. --gatoatigrado 15:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pointing out something, I removed all the untitled games from the list because non of them had sources, which are required for that page. Before removal there were 56 untitled games on the PS3 page.. User was probobly refering to a version prior that my edits. The reason there is only one on the page right now is because only one had a referance. I beleive that the PS3 game page should look something more like the Wii game page, everything referanced. 74.33.11.34 17:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you are editing the Devil May Cry section again you're close to violating the 3 revert rule; I don't see any new discussion. I don't think pages that already have a Wikipedia entry need to be referenced. You're right; the list of ps3 games was awful; thanks 74.33.11.34. That was a bunch of crud. I'm glad it's changed. --gatoatigrado 17:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: maybe we should give it a rest and wait for more information. I'm sorry for "second guessing" your motive as Wisq mentioned. It's okay if you're a fan of the Xbox 360; I have one and I like it. It's a nice console. You don't have to deny having POV influences. Hopefully all of the people looking at this article will be able to keep it NPOV. --gatoatigrado 18:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled Game Names and Fanboy Status

message: I didn't remove this, and I'm not opposed to including it, but whoever removed it might have known about Sony's denial. . It's okay if we want to include it, but let's include both sides. Or we can just wait and see when it's released in a few months. --gatoatigrado 14:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2.8 ghz rumor 

message: this is a major title, no? --70.229.32.178 01:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The removal was obvious vandalism. --Edgelord 03:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  final fantasy 

message: What is the significance of the two NVIDIA tables at the end of the article? Such tables would be great in a NVIDIA article, though. MadIce 23:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The system uses a nVidia GPU, nVidia template seems fitting. For easier navigation of nVidia products for users who wish to get more information on the sister products of the PS3 GPU70.101.201.248 05:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course I know it has a nVidia GPU. The thing is that the first tabel is mainly about DirectX. That's not about the PS3 at all.  In the second one, you can see which type of products nVidia is involved in. Again... This is information which is relevant to nVidia and it is not specific to the PS3. MadIce 16:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree; it's meaningless. --70.237.120.130 17:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found it useful and think it should stay.Jigahurtz 23:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Finding something usefull is something different than relevance. ;) MadIce 16:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NVIDIA 

message: I capitalized all of the extra External links text in the links uniformly. Perhaps they should be uniformly uncapitalised? Discuss. -- Masamunecyrus(talk)(contribs)  13:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: uncapitalized except for proper nouns. it was better before, no offense. --70.237.120.130 17:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links Capitalisation 

message: it is 9 mb/s. that's equal to 72 megaBITS / second. duh. --gatoatigrado 20:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: oh, the Blu Ray article was wrong. I corrected it. , . --gatoatigrado 20:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  blu ray transfer 

message: move this to "operating system" also? --gatoatigrado 23:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Relates to the disk drive, not the OS.70.101.201.248 05:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  oh, it's hardware coded? Okay, maybe it can be moved around, but look at how much better the outline is now than it was before0 or before1. --gatoatigrado 15:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  region coding 

message: the picture of the PS3 on the sony website and across the web are sporting a black color for both the 60GB and 20GB versions. Sony's Q&A during the E3(2006) made it's way across the web stating. "This model comes in one color (clear black) only. There may be color variations in the future." [http://www.ps3insiders.com/ps3/155253130.php. I would like to request a picture change. --Ali 786 02:53, 01 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want a new picture, then you must find a free one to replace the current one. Free means not "fair use". Ex-Nintendo Employee 02:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The (already determined) result of this needs to be pinned to the top of this page. No one's fault; I'm sure I wouldn't look through 9 talk archives for it, but the links are here, here, here (this one's good; very emotionalized lol), here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. --gatoatigrado 03:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the picture 

message: "Once more, article doesn't even mention programming languages, nor licensing."
:"Programming-wise, it's based on OpenGL and NVIDIA's CG language." What's wrong with that? You are right though, a reference showing that Cg is free needs to be provided. --gatoatigrado 15:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, that was bad, sorry. How about this?  --gatoatigrado 15:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't have an actual confirmation, and the press release that would probobly contain the confirmation gives me a page not found. Actual confirmation here.  70.101.201.248 22:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's Sony Online Entertainment licensing the engine for their uses. For most of these, Sony doesn't license anything, the companies do. Is "sublicensed" a bad word? From the definitions I found it says nothing about companies such as Sony giving the license; just that it gives rights to use but not share the tools. --71.155.201.140 00:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A differant word may be a better idea.Jigahurtz 01:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Are we talking about Sony sublicensing these things? In that case, they should all be removed. I think this one is fine. --gatoatigrado 15:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah that's a nice link. Feel free to put it in. --71.155.201.140 00:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not the best at the referances attributes, would someone more skilled at that please add the referance to where it applys?Jigahurtz 01:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sublicensed 

message: In the tables in the article about upcoming games, can we include a column (left side I guess) to show who is manufacturing (and maybe publishing) each game?  That will give a more complete presentation of facts.  LighthouseJ 15:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the launch games; maybe others can contribute to the other games. --gatoatigrado 18:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Include Game Manufacturers 

message: why were these games removed? --gatoatigrado 16:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, Time Crisis 4 hasn't even been announced for PS3. I'm not sure why Gundam: Mobile Suit would be removed, though it is still mentioned in the second paragraph of the introduction. --Kamasutra 20:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Upon a search through history, it seems that Jigahurtz removed it because the link was to the anime page . I don't see how that is any justification for removal unless a game needs its own article to be considered "major". Anyone agree or disagree with that assessment? --Kamasutra 20:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  yeah I think gundam should be put back in, and time crisis is definitely a no. They have some neat screens, but some earlier ones are obviously prerendered. . --69.221.238.103 21:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gamespot shows Gundam as the 38th most visited game in the PS3 section. That far down makes it seem like it isn't a major title. 70.101.201.248 02:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is to be based on GameSpot's ranks then several more will have to be removed as they are even further down. To name a few, Coded Arms is 71, Lair is 74, and The Getaway is 69. --Kamasutra 06:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lair isn't a major game(IMO) but is a launch game. Quite a few of games aren't "major", most of them were added by various people. "oh I remember hearing about this game at E3, better add it to the list". Most(minor ones) have been removed through past edits. I realy don't see how Coded Arm is a major title, not sure why that one is here.70.101.201.248 21:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  game removals 

message: This section takes up a lot of space and isn't as informative as the rest of the article. Exclusivity has been discussed on the Wii page, and removed, and it isn't on the 360 page either. I see no reason why it needs to be here. Developers and publishers belongs on the game page, not the console page. And many of the release dates are TBA(no reason to show in this article) or non final. I suggest reformatting this entire section to something like this.
Launch
*Resistance: Fall of Man 
*Warhawk 
*MotorStorm 
*Ridge Racer 7 
*Fatal Inertia 
*Full Auto 2: Battlelines 
*Blade Storm: Hundred Years War 
*flOw 
*Sonic the Hedgehog 
*Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 
*Call of Duty 3 
*Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 
*Need for Speed: Carbon 
*NBA Live 07	
Other major titles
{|-	
*Metal Gear Solid 4 
*Tekken 6 
*Heavenly Sword 
*Coded Arms Assault
*Gran Turismo HD 
*Devil May Cry 4 
*Final Fantasy XIII 
*Final Fantasy Versus XIII 
*Eight Days 
*Lair 
*The Getaway 3 
*Killzone PS3	
*Virtua Fighter 5
*Unreal Tournament 2007 
*Grand Theft Auto IV 
*Half-Life 2 
*John Woo Presents Stranglehold
*Heavy Rain 
*Armored Core 4 
*Resident Evil 5 
*Assassin's Creed 
*Mercenaries 2:World in Flames
70.101.201.248 03:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A more concise list is definitely preferable in my opinion. Removing the status of exclusivity alone will at least lessen seemingly trivial debates here. --Kamasutra 06:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that the current way is hideous, the above contains all the info people would need and as Kamasutra said, would cut down on debates. I'm for using the above list instead of the current.DeathSeeker 09:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  Very nice job. --69.221.238.103 14:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that only the launch titles should be displayed since some of those games will not come out for up to a year after PS3 (GTA4 for example) --72.155.207.174 03:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All major games are coming out post launch. Wouldn't be helpful to list all the launch(minor) titles and exclude all the major ones.70.101.201.248 21:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: your opinion of what is "major" is not relevant. in my opinion, the xbox 360 had bad launch titles, with graw and obliv delayed. does it matter - obviously not. resistance is getting a lot better from their first graphic showing, and motorstorm is a lot worse than their first showing but might attract a few. --69.221.241.8 01:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Launch and major title section 

message: the official playstation website is up, and there's some information that was removed as rumors before but turns out to be true. The playstation portable can apparently be used as a controller for the ps3, although there's nothing about being "video-enabled". They also confirmed the memory card adapter allowing saved games to be transferred to the ps3 hard drive. --69.221.238.103 15:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although references are good, are so many necessary? Perhaps when the system is released some of the obvious ones can be erased. --69.221.238.103 15:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  official website 

message: What is "Le petit poussin" in the first paragraph for? In French this means 'the little chick'. I was wonderring if this is meant to be there or if it's just something some vandal has added in. ItIsMe 06:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's obviously inserted vandalism. A vandal named user:Wikirocks666 used babelfish and thought they could pass it off. I've removed it. Thanks for pointing it out- sneaky vandalism is often the hardest to spot. By the way, that vandal has been indef blocked for the other vandalism he was responsible for. Ex-Nintendo Employee 07:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Le petit poussin" 

message: Sony want PLAYSTATION 3 in all capitals now. So, who thinks this should be moved?  --Thorpe | talk 20:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sony allways writes it like that, it's the logo, not the name.70.101.201.248 21:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that the issue should be mentioned in the article. In articles like "IPod" where the title of the article is not the same as the name of the product, and I think the situation with PS3 is the same, so the solution could very well be the same, too. Why can't we just mention why the name of the product isn't spelled like it should be? - Eiskis 12:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IPod falls under the technical limitations, which is why that it must be mentioned.  Trademark capitalizatino is not always enforced, but there is a precedent for naming the product once, with its trademarks, and then using the non-trademarked name for the rest of the article. Hbdragon88 03:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PLAYSTATION 3 

message: all of the links to other wikipedias have been removed.  i'd fix it, but i don't know how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.238.244.222 (talk • contribs) 
::Readded70.101.201.248 04:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  links removed 

message: Look at this video  Can sombody find any other inputs and/or outputs 141.151.89.36 14:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: um, no. What's the point of simply scrolling through the pr pictures? Just use the pr press photo link on wikipedia instead of this "movie". --69.221.247.252 23:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inputs and Outputs 

message: i noticed in the list of ps3 gmaes page, that thesis is still there. i thought it dident end up coming to ps3. should it be removed?
Matjet 07:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noting that it's gone. 172.129.79.43 21:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ps3 games

message: The suggested retail price of PS3 is not the same in every eurozone country. For example in Finland the price is €550/€650 (source: The official PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3) Website from Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (site in Finnish)). I have not added this information to the article because I am unsure if Finland is the only country with a special retail price and I believe that presenting only this information would only cause further confusion if there were other exceptions as well. --Eiskis 16:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and add it (if it hasn't been already). The confusion is already there, as there have been several territories added with special prices, but using less reliable sources such as retailer listings. Because English users may not be able to navigate the Finnish website, it's probably best to link to the PDF, as I don't think there is a way to directly link to the information otherwise. Dancter 17:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and added the information. I checked all the different regional PS3 sites, and it looks like Switzerland and Finland are the only ones that differed from the generic European stuff. Dancter 20:06, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price 

message: ok i just heard that the ps3 hasnt even begun production yet, so how are they going to make enough systems in  3 months, should this be mentioned in any way, here is the soarce http://www.gamespot.com/news/6156046.html?tag=latestnews;title;0  its the 8th question. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.74.205.142 (talk • contribs) .
:He clearly states that they don't plan on delaying the launch.  In other words, there's going to be a shortage, which was pretty much known for a while so no I don't think this needs to be mentioned in the article.  Dionyseus 13:43, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are any notes as to production, they'd need to be updated. And if it gets too close to launch with no confirmation of production, major news sites would carry the news, so it would need to be reported anyway. No need to write it in quite yet. 172.129.79.43 20:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 hasnt begun production 

message: I'm so sorry that I accidently took off all the refs, I was tring to add this in "http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=3531". And I don't know what I was doing... I was trying to add this in too for the controller section and have the link (above as my ref) "The L2 and R2 triggers are now oversized and "squishy," making them feel more like analog triggers. We actually preferred these redesigned L2 and R2 triggers to the slightly stiffer Xbox 360 triggers, but that will ultimately be a matter of personal preference."
:stupidass 64.40.52.122 06:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No personal attacks and assume good faith, please. The ref system isn't exactly easy for new users to understand. BryanG(talk) 06:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs removed (accidently) 

message: Perhaps we should change the main photo of the PS3 article, because that was the concept, and is in a misleading colour. If there is one with the 60GB premium version, that would be good. I know the current photo has a decent, high resolution, it is not very good for people who think they are going to be getting a fully-silver PS3 at launch. --Mambo Jambo 20:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: please read this. This has been discussed many times. I pinned it to the top so newcomers don't have to look through all of the discussions. --gatoatigrado 22:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oops! Sorry, I did a Find for "photo" on the page, but forgot about "picture". And, no, I don't have a good enough image. Mambo Jambo 00:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem, thanks for posting here first. The ps3 should be coming in silver in the future. --67.164.87.42 07:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of photo? 

message: Why is a rumour from the inquirer without any source being posted into the Wiki?
The inquirer is notorious for posting unfound rumours that only lead to flame wars.
Please take off the "(Speculated to be downgraded to 500 Mhz)" and keep it off until official claims.kura 22:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RSX? 

message: my summer vacation (no release date announced) has been announced as a new ps3 game http://www.siliconera.com/2006/08/25/summer-time-adventure-in-playstation-3-land/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.7.162 (talk • contribs) .
:Don't post things like this unless the game has some significance. --Kamasutra 10:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: new exclusive game

message: Added a Criticisms section, because, let's face it, it has had a lot of criticisms from not only internet people, but professionals. Please don't remove it, but improve it. PureLegend 13:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support a criticisms section if it was well-sourced and conformed to NPOV.  Whether other articles have criticisms sections is completely irrelevant; we're editing this article. Nandesuka 01:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The criticisms section should be streamlined into the rest of the document. Much of it is over-reaction to the large amount of negative media going on right now, for example I don't think knowing what the Sony stock price is especially informative to the average reader. Most of these items could be incorporated into a Console Launch section like the x360 section, with the manufacturing difficulties and configuration changes noted.--Thax 17:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticisms

message: This article has many date links that are broken. They look weird with preferences set. bobblewik 15:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken date links 

message: What is the source for the New Zealand release date? The source cited for the price gives the 17th, not 23rd. —Deadman1848 13:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the same source, but it used to say November 23. I'm actually not too keen on unofficial listings such as the prices for Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, and Mexico. They clutter up the page, use unreliable sources such as preliminary retailer information, and are usually are just based on announced prices, anyway, when you account for things such as exchange rates and taxes. I say trim all unofficial information from the table. Dancter 13:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NZ Release Date 

message: I'd like to eliminate the list of launch/other titles and replace it with a single well-written paragraph which mentions a small number of the most notable titles for PS3 (preserving, of course, the link to the comprehensive list of games).  Any suggestions here for, say, the top 3 titles from the launch list? Nandesuka 14:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone here is invited to participate in Talk:Xbox 360#Straw poll - Games list, where the amount of games to be inserted into the console article is being discussed. This could be used as precedent for other consoles as well. -- ReyBrujo 18:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming List of Games 

message: * http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6644
*http://uk.playstation.com/pdcf/index.jhtml?locale=en_GB
It's official. McDonaldsGuy 08:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 release date changed in PAL territories? 

message: Recently it has become common knowledge on the Internet that neither version of the Playstation 3 will include an HDMI Cable. I believe that this should be added to the "System Features" table that tells what is included or not included in the two versions. Today, it was also revealed that Component cables capable of high-definition output will also not be included with either version of the Playstation 3. I believe that this should be added to the "System Features" table that tells what is included or not included in the two versions. The only type of cable that will be included with either version of the Playstation 3 are the same sort of standard-definition Composite cables that the Playstation and Playstation 2 used. I believe that this should be added to the "System Features" table that tells what is included or not included in the two versions. 
This is information based on truth that would be valuable information to people studying the Playstation 3 and what will be included with it. You can read about these confirmed facts at this Reference: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157113.html 
Please make these additions to the Playstation 3 "System Features" Overview comparison as soon as possible. I tried to make these additions myself, but I was not allowed to because it is Protected in some way. I thank you for making these adjustments. -- mike_mgoblue —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.61.44.215 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 7 September 2006  (UTC)
*Most are uninformed about this whole issue. They complain that an HDMI cable isn't included with the PS3, but fail to realize that the same is true for any HDTV. MJ @ Wed Sep 06 23:14:17 2006 EST —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.164.119.119 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 7 September 2006  (UTC)
:That fact was in the article before, but there is currently a heated debate concerning the presentation format for technical information in the article, and that information was probably removed at some point during all the edit-warring. Dancter 03:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See,i told ya all Three-Sixty is better than the PS3,lol.HD vids are found in the HDD and more can be downloaded via Xbox Live,HD component cable is standard wif Pro set and HD DVD drive is launching soon.Look, im not criticising Sony fans but the Coporation really need to buckle up if it wants to compete with Microsoft.Microsoft have perhap more funds than the latter,with its annual profit reaching 12 billion(Sony's 1 billion) Ceecookie 09:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please restrict talk page discussion to issues relating to editing the article. Simply debating which console is better than which is not an appropriate discussion. Dancter 13:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Why don't you just sign in? The page is only semi-protected, so you should be able to edit the page yourself through your registered account. And please stop formatting your headers for emphasis. It turns people off more than it actually draws attention. And I'm surprised noone's told you about signing talk page comments. To sign talk page comments, just append four tildes to the end of your post, like this: ~~~~. The tildes will then be converted into a timestamped signature. Dancter 23:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It is a configuration thing, as valid as wifi or anything else. True, cheap cables come for $10, but often rip-off accessories are more. It's a valid point and there's no reason not to include it. --gatoatigrado 15:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No High-Definition cable of any kind will be included with either PS3

message: I heard on TVGuide.com that the PS3 will be released in Spring 2007 (in Europe).  --myselfalso 01:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I just noticed it was updated.  Silly computer issue.  --myselfalso 01:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 release date

message: Everyone needs to become better at citing sources when adding stuff to this article. Havok (T/C/c) 08:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, obviously. --gatoatigrado 15:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK but that kind of "citation needed" links completely ruin the article. Why people engaged in Xbox 360 do not engage this article now? Everybody needs hate Sony and the PS3? This is worldwide gamer meme? --Ciao 90 00:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations and sources 

message: In the creaticism section, I'm curious if statements made by Sony executives that have really hurt Sony's PR concerning PS3 should be added. Other than the high price tag and most recently the announcement that most of the world will have to wait until March 2007 for PS3s to be released in other countries, I feel the following comments might be suitable to be added in the criticism section. I'd like your opinions.
*Kazuo Harai said "Microsoft is copying Sony."
*Phil Harrison defends Harai's comment (above) as being taken out of context, though how I can't figure. Also he handles himself with the arrogance Sony has become known for while saying they're not arrogant.
*Sony's Euro CEO David Reeves said 5 million people would buy PS3 on Launch Day "even if it didn't have games."
Also at E3 2006 when Sony announced they would have a motion sensor controller, they were accused of stealing Nintendo's idea for their console called the Wii Remote, which resulted in backlash by many people, mostly Nintendo fans but members of the gaming community in general were taken aback by Sony's shamelessness as producing that has a new idea.
All these PR nightmares (plus others related to Playstation Portable and UMD) have hurt Sony greatly and has really cast a cloud on PS3 and the company in general. Is this appropriate for PS3's criticism section you think? 69.230.182.103 05:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's always bias in Wikipedia articles.  There's criticisms in the Windows Vista article (a product not yet released, mind you) which are biased and not based on fact yet the Mac OS X article is spotless even though Apple is guilty of some the same things Microsoft has been publicly chastised for.  I personally think a criticism section is very inappropriate in any article.  An encyclopedia should be based on fact, not he-said, she-said and criticisms on here and on other articles should be removed as soon as possible.  They provide no factual information, only heresay and conjecture. LighthouseJ 01:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the problem is you're looking at the criticisms section as a possible forum for people to complain about the system.  If that were the case, I would agree with you that it has no place in the article.  But in actuality, the section is meant to document public criticisms by people in the industry, the media and the general public.  In that sense it is encyclopedic and based on fact, as long as the critique can be cited.  There is nothing wrong with including this info.CPitt76 22:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm glad you understand what I'm saying but there's a big difference from people complaining about price, and having a serious grievance against something.  Are you saying it's okay for me to go around to every page about each exotic car I can't afford and add a criticism section saying how it costs too much?  Where does it stop?  I don't even know why I'm still the only voice on this point...  To put it plainly, any criticism section should only mention problems the item has, not everybodies' little minor gripes.  Am I taking crazy pills or do people see the enormous slippery slope this issue leaves open?  LighthouseJ 22:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not disagreeing with you that this section could lead to trivial inclusions, but that's why as responsible editors, we'll have to keep an eye on it and remove those types of entries.  Just because adding something to an article might require us to work a little harder, doesn't mean we should overlook it completely.  The price point does not fall under the "everybody's little minor gripes" category, it's something that has gotten significant attention from media and the gaming community since it was announced.  That is very different than the car example you provided.  It's also different than me going into this article and saying "the PS3 costs too much."  What I'm saying is criticisms that have been fairly commonplace, and have been discussed in other media (like complaints about the PS3 price) warrant inclusion.  CPitt76 00:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost every high profile product gets commonplace criticism. This doesn't make it a vital piece of information about the product itself. Should you go through all American cars' pages and add a note to the bottom: "criticisms: as an american car, many people and experts question the reliability and manufacturing quality of this vehicle" or something like that? It's a widespread belief (at least hear in the USA) that American cars are inferior to Japanese and European cars. I'm sure there have been numerous articles and news stories that cover this kind of thing. I think more appropriate is to  take the important criticisms, boil them down to anything notable and include it in a more appropriate way. For example the high price, instead of adding a section in criticisms you could add a note to the place where you announce the price of the PS3 and follow that up with "This price places it as the most expensive 7th generation console and one of the most expensive consoles of all time leaving many people questioning whether or not the console will be embraced by the public for its perceived value or avoided for its high price tag". I'm terrible at writing stuff, but you get the idea. This still presents information about the PS3 without opening a can of worms on what amount of criticism becomes noteworthy. Esper256 22:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad PR hurting Sony and PS3

message: The Ps3 does not deserve the amount of criticism it recieved. It will be the greatest videogame console ever, topping Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii.Taros 14:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's funny because a tab for this page is called "discussion".  Anyway, Taros, I don't think there should be any criticism sections for any article except for major problems like the Xbox 360 technical problems at the launch because that's a major event.  But these jerks whining about it costs too much or it being delayed (like manufacturers haven't had delays before) is a waste of time.  I think people are desperate enough to chink the armor of Sony/Playstation 3 any way they can. LighthouseJ 18:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The tab for this page is "Talk:Playstation 3". It is not meant for general discussion, it is designated for posts dedicated to The Article That Is PlayStation 3. That is, users are supposed to use this page to talk about the article itself, not engage in general topics like "The Playstation 3 is the best". Furthermore, please refrain from calling people "jerks" here; Wikipedia has specific policies against using personal attacks. Ex-Nintendo Employee 20:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text:  The noteworthy aspect of the PS3 price is that it is higher than its competitors, and fairly high when considering all consoles in recent history. The complaints about the price aren't noteworthy. A noteworthy complaint would be if some kids around the world commited suicide because they couldn't afford the PS3. But so far, the complaints have been not noteworthy, a bunch of forum people whining, and a bunch of analysts thinking they are so smart by pointing out that the PS3 is expensive. The other aspect is that there are MANY articles, and MANY forum posts. The volume of the "criticisms" isn't an indication of how important it is more than an indication of how high profile the PS3 is. The console market is dominated by console fans that promote their console and talk trash about the other consoles. The only thing that would be noteworthy about a console would be if it received absolutely no criticism. Esper256 22:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I was just wondering if it were possible to keep the personal insults down to a minimum? They are immature and only add to the irresponsible view many people have of Wikipedia.Manofthespoon 01:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Best

message: I have made three minor additions to the “System Features” table, all of which “gatoatigrado” has approved. Previously, I was not able to make that adjustment to the table; I then followed the instructions of “Dancter” and “gatoatigrado,” in order to make these adjustments properly. This is information based on truth that would be valuable information to people studying the Playstation 3 and what will be included with it. You can read about these confirmed facts at this Reference: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157113.html Please continue to allow this information to be displayed in the way I have taken time to show it in the Systems Features table. Mike mgoblue 17:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: uh, instructions? sorry mike, it's just signing in. Your version is wordy compared to before. --24.7.86.143 05:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: System Features table is now displayed properly