Talk:John Franklin

message: I think the main objective of the 1845 expedition is searching the Northwest passage, rather than "gathering magnetic readings" as edited in 26 March 2006. Mewaqua 11:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Objective) 

message: If I'm not mistaken, they found a mummy that was one of the members of the expedition. 24.43.218.30 02:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Mummy found) 

message: I'm about to delete the following, none of which appears to add to our understanding of Franklin. Perhaps some of it can be usefully recycled elsewhere. -- Hoary 02:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1845-48 Sir John Franklin Northwest Passage Expedition is an article in it's own right -- I think you mean that it needs an article. The redirect needs to be removed and a proper "Franklin Expedition" article crafted instead. You can do this. But mere trivia about the expedition would be just as unsuitable in that article as it is in this one. -- Hoary 09:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not trivia but highly relevant material on the popular reception of Franklin's exploits,  I am reinstating it.  Rapotter 04:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently you're unfamiliar with the definition of the word "trivia". Guess who is re-deleting it? --76.224.78.226 03:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, it's material that's relevant to the popular reception of Franklin's exploits. But it's just that: material. Imaginably, somebody might craft the most important parts of it into a coherent paragraph or two that would be worth preserving, Right now, though, it's just a list. People can use the "What links here" button. -- Hoary 03:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of trivia

message: I'm a Franklin Researcher for 20 years with reams of research materials (some coming from Dr. Beattie and his research team) and have edited this Wiki to accurate standards with cites. My time is limited so I can't at this time make a seperate entry for the 1845-48 Sir John Franklin Northwest Expedition (please feel free too and I'll add the cites), so included as much information (dates, names, locations, and resources) as I can without hijacking Sir John's biography itself. Please, if you must edit the Wiki to be more brief, do so without removing the resources. It's important that the 1845-48 Franklin Expedition is accurately documented online, instead of just adding more folklore. Thank you. Franklin Researcher 17:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is being prepped to split the 1845-48 Sir John Franklin Northwest Passage Expedition section to it's own Wiki. Will appreciate if a kind soul will help reduce it's length, but keep the cites, as it's critical: FYI, source research material for the Franklin Expedition is locked down by research "agreements" (copyrights pale to them), which makes relying on public material (books, journals, papers, documentaries) more than necessary -- why I citing viciously.Franklin Researcher 23:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no reason to split Franklin's entry here from an account of his last expedition -- but if such is proposed, it should be flagged on the article's main page and some discussion had by wikipedians here.  I've spent many years on Franklin as well, but would caution that, alas, on Wikipedia use of original research is against a clearly stated policy.  Perhaps "Franklin Researcher" would be interested in conributing to the entry I'm writing for Citizendium??  Rapotter 04:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Historical and Forensic Information 

message: There is an obvious need to separate the biography of Sir John Franklin and the NW Passage expedition details.  Sir John (and his wife) were significant individuals throughout their lives, and the current article drowns his biography in details on the research into the expedition.
--Mikeh 13:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Two separate articles required

message: Two of us who have worked on Ernest Shackleton, which made FA yesterday, would be interested in helping to develop a separate Franklin Expedition page if consensus can be reached here that moving the expedition material to its own page is a good idea. You could let us know here what you think. We are User:Lazulilasher and User:Finetooth. Finetooth (talk) 16:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: More specifically, we propose moving most of the material from Section 5 to the end of the John Franklin biography to a new article, Franklin Expedition. Following the guidelines in WP:SUMMARY, we would write an appropriate summary or summaries for the material moved to the new page. This would allow the John Franklin page to develop as a biography and would allow the expedition page to develop as well. We have not worked out further details yet because we are not sure if the other editors of the John Franklin biography page agree with our proposal for a spinout. We would like to hear from you. In the interest of full disclosure, I should add that neither of us has done a spinout before, and we would be learning as we went, and we would appreciate help and advice. We would like to proceed by consensus, if possible, and in a spirit of cooperation. Finetooth (talk) 23:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a separate article on Sir John Franklin's last expedition would be preferable to the lengthy and (in places) disorderly treatment given in the biographical article.  It would also be good to go over the claims and generalizations in this section, as many of them are misleading, unsourced, or poorly sourced.  My own time is somewhat limited, but I would be glad to look over the resulting article with an eye to organization and accurate citations.  In my outside-the-wiki life, I've been described as a "world authority" on Franklin -- but here, given WP's rules on original research, which makes it impossible for me to write the kind of article I think would really be ideal, I'd be glad just to 'vet' the collective entry for accuracy and contribute in smaller ways.  My website at http://www.ric.edu/faculty/rpotter/SJFranklin.html is a good place for  wikipedians people to get information, and I'd be glad to license images there if people would like to use them in the entry.  Clevelander96 (talk) 14:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The new page is Franklin's lost expedition. I replaced it on the John Franklin page with what I hope is a reasonable summary. Finetooth (talk) 00:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible volunteers for separate article

message: I am unsure where and when the middle name "Alexander" was added to this entry -- it's not a recent edit, at any rate.  However, it is a claim without support in authoritative print sources; a search for "John Alexander Franklin" in Google Books shows no print examples in its database.  The Oxford Dictionaty of National Biography gives his name simply as "John Franklin" (see here).  I think that, unless some reliable earlier source gives this middle name, that the mistaken insertion of "Alexander" here is the likely source for its repetition elsewhere online (there was also a totally different "John Alexander Franklin" in the late nineteenth century, and this may have amplified the confusion). Clevelander96 (talk) 20:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim of middle name "Alexander" 

message: * Canada to search for Arctic explorer's ships (AP). Gwen Gale (talk) 02:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  in the news 

message: Australian ABC Radio National broadacst a dicumentar this week re some Canadian & US "patriot" rebels in 1830's, deported to Tasmania penal colony for thier anti_british activities. Among other things, the piece claimed that Franklin was *nephew* to Ben Franklin - which disappointed the rebel/convicts who were perhaps hoping for more favorable treatment from a nephew of their hero. Could this be  
true ? Feroshki (talk) 04:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Benjamin and Sir John are completely unrelated. Benjamin did have a brother named John Franklin, and a sister named Jane Franklin, but there is no family connection whatsoever. Clevelander96 (talk) 13:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ben Franklin conection ??

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