Talk:Black tar heroin

message: Heroin and burnt pennies  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.40.210.64 (talk) 12:05, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

message: Bit of a fight going on about whether it's cheap or expensive. Please resolve this here. ta The Land
it's cheap to get high if you aren't addicted to it (about $10-$20), but profoundly expensive to maintain a habit... 
also, it is cheap compared to "china white" heroin, which is considered a kind of caviar variant of it.
so... it is both inexpensive and expensive.  gruelin1 12 14 05  7:45 am.
:It's inexpensive compared to other drugs, but still a very expensive habit. So, both. PianoSpleen 02:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well since this isn't a harm reduction site with rules against speaking of street prices et al. If you measure, I think the running price in actual quantity is 15-20 USD a balloon on the west coast, and a balloon is supposed to be 300 milligrams or just under a third of a gram. Price varies, the further south usually the cheaper and higher quality, friends in San Francisco speak of $15 for a half gram (500 mg), and up toward Portland, OR the balloons get skimpier like 180mg padded (the small lighter/cauterized sealed rubber balloon have a small cut out square of a plastic grocery store bag about the size of a quarter dollar, usually a black grocery store plastic bag, when black tar heroin is re-ballooned, they use up to four or five of these plastic squares to 'pad' it, rather than 'cutting' the drug with an adulterant.) which are about the same, 15-20 USD. 67.5.147.10 (talk) 08:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I haven't used since the last millenium, but I knew the price as recently as 2004... still pretty low. In early 1990's, in most urban or semi-urban areas, price was around a standard $80 a gram from a mid-level dealer, $350 for a "quarter-piece." A piece was a metric ounce, or 25 grams, so a qp was 6.25 grams. Within a few years, as the 1990's progressed and the number of users exploded (I count this phenomenon as starting with the deaths of Kurt Cobain and Jerry Garcia and the end of Dead tours), tar had dropped to a standard $50 a gram. Most users don't bother getting the $50 since a hard-core user rarely can get high anyway and only needs a quarter or half gram a day to stay well. Within another year or two the process of short buyers and fronts reduced the standard bag to $20, but the dealers cut the size of the bag to compensate. Above comment is about right, it usually is .33 to .4 grams in a bag. It's also true the purity increases and price decreases the closer you are to Mexico. In Oregon, at least, dealers avoid using balloons as they make it easier to be stuck with a delivery charge. Smarter dealers would keep a qp in hand and if in trouble, throw it into the grass and deny ever having seen it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.170.64.145 (talk) 14:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cheap/Expensive

message: How can black tar be "the prevalent form" and "white" the most common?  Doesn't jive.--SVTCobra 23:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because, if you read more closely, black tar is more common in some places, and powder (of southeast or southwest asian, or south american origin) in others. It all depends on the trade routes + where someplace happens to be along them. Chicago, IL, for example, gets heroin from all 4 source regions in significant quantities, whereas LA gets almost entirely black tar and B'more or Philly get almost entirely Colombian powder.Porkchopmcmoose 01:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prevalence 

message: On the Necrotizing Fasciitis page of Wikipedia the treated mortality is stated at 20%, and the untreated mortality at nearly 100%, neither of which accord with the figure given in this article.
Wilhelm Ritter 21:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Necrotizing Fasciitis

message: Having seen black tar heroin from San Francisco to Washington state, I must say I have never seen any that looks like that image: the grey black slab. Can anyone else comment on this? I've seen balloons of heroin that come out looking more like pictures I've seen of raw opium but can be IV'd (which I've read cannot be done with opium proper due to codeine and such other alkaloids: though I know sometimes black tar is sold to people afraid of the name "heroin" as 'opium' and are told they can shoot it). It is very dark black but sticky with an orange tinge, sometimes not so sticky and rock hard but breaks into slightly orangish shards if smashed into smaller pieces. It also comes in a brown powder, that when exposed to moisture (i.e. blown on) balls up into the black tar-like substance before it can be prepared for IV. (I assume this is different then than brown powder heroin elsewhere as it quickly balls into this tar substance if molested in about any way). 67.5.157.219 (talk) 09:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, unless that's uncut "fresh from the factory" tar, it looks nothing like I ever saw either. I saw plenty of black in the 1990's and saw all kinds, ranging from the brownish hard-candy texture to the stickier tar-looking texture to grainy and brittle... but never anything like that. It's either uncut or it's fake.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.170.64.145 (talk) 14:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Is it possible that it is actually this "homebake" stuff they supposedly get in Australia, and they used that picture for it because "homebake" and blacktar are supposedly similar? A bit of a mixup maybe? Who knows. All I know is, real black tar is kind of... "shiny" compared to that, and has a very slight dark-reddish tint to it. That looks like someone took already-burnt heroin "crust" and stuck it onto an actual blob of it. Just looks waaaay to dry. 68.2.173.214 (talk) 07:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I think you're a bit mixed up. Both Mexican tar heroin & South American white powder heroin are HCl, not base. Cocaine is also HCl. European powder heroin is base. Black tar heroin readily dissolves without heating in water & esp. without the need of an acid, the adulterants simply make it slower than other varieties. 216.227.117.35 (talk) 14:54, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: I removed the entire list of "nicknames" for this drug.  Not one was cited.  The list kept growing and growing, and it was obviously completely full of jokes and vandalism, people having a little fun at the wiki's expense.  The list itself is also not encyclopedic.  Just a vandalism magnet. 96.2.148.54 (talk) 02:35, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed list of "Colloquialisms" 

message: From Invisible Man “optic white” paint, I read of black drops of "dope" being put into the  paint and I'm really curious about what that is referring to. Is it dope, what I know dope to be~ heroin?
Maybe someone could.. you know, put their findings about 'dope' in paintz on the page...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.11.195 (talk) 02:58, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  dope  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: On 10-oct-2017 an anonymous user added 18k of text.  There may be a lot of quality info in there, it's all completely un-sourced, lapses into the first person, changes language, throws random paragraphs in pre blocks, and does not follow either the flow of the article or general Wikipedia recommendations on how to write stuff.  Plus there's grammatical errors.
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thread_title:  I'm reverting the monster anonymous edit from 10 October 2017‎. 

message: I'm quite puzzled to read about the cost and alternative ways of administration. In my opinion WP is not the place to teach how to consume drugs.
And i'm missing pictures about the health-consequences. --Shi Annan (talk) 19:33, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of particular information