Talk:Infidel

message: I added a small section on Judaism, just to add references to the corresponding terms, Kofer and Goy/Gentile. There was a discussion as to whether "Goy" was equivalent to "Infidel" - I don't think it is, but it's probably still worth mentioning. Any comments welcome :)
With Arabic Kafir, and Jewish Kofer, makes one wonder if the three consonant letters that spell the word are in relation to the meaning of the Pharaoh KFR and his pyramid. (I still dont know if "ren" is the one letter R, or if the name has an N.) 98.144.71.174 (talk) 19:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, Judaism specifically does not consider people "not of their faith" to be "unfaithful" and therefore Goy/Gentile does NOT equal infidel, and saying so goes against fact. 82.16.148.165 (talk) 18:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section on Judaism 

message: I clicked on link three and someone here isn’t telling the truth are they. 
NOTHING in that link says the infidel is a Christian term. In fact it highlights the fact that it is a Muslim term. 
This is EXACTLY why Wikipedia is seen as rubbish, and s vehicle of social engineering.
Kindly fix this.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.202.208.245 (talk) 01:53, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Infidel is very clearly a term associated with Islam.  My friend, you say that it is not associated with Islam because Moslems don't use the term.  That is not the point. The language of Islam is Arabic. Infidel is an English word.  But it is a word that was derived from the Islamic/Arabic term for a non believer.  I would have thought that there was far more doubt that Infidel was ever used as a term for a non Christian.203.184.41.226 (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Biraqleet. The term infidel in christianty has nothing from near or far to do with the word "Kafer" in Islam nor the concept of "Kufr" in Islam is analogus to "Infidelity" in christianity. A muslim can commit "Kufr" unknowingly. A "kafer" is NOT an active opponet of islam. A "Kafer" is any one who intensionally "conceals" or "covers" what muslims belive to be "the truth". Violence is never ever incited in quran aganist "Kufar" unless they start the violence.Ironally, I see a very small section - just two lines - about Judaism and NONE about Athism/Secularism. I wounder where is it said "an eye for and eye".--علي سمسم (talk) 14:49, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part of a Series on Christianity 

message: A while ago User:Bmbaker88 undid my addition of the word pejorative. From the comment I get the impression he means the word infidel isn't always meant in a pejorative sense. I'm doubtful about that, but open to persuasion it is true. But even then, it is still offensive and we can't use a loaded term as if it were neutral. Any suggestions for a better formulation? Martijn Meijering (talk) 20:39, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added it back, into the lead. It is clearly not a term used as a mere neutral classifier. As the article says later, it is generally a "term of contempt", not something that would ordinarily be used in polite conversation with someone considered an infidel. As also said in the article, "infidels" are considered "enemies". "Nonbeliever" seems relatively neutral, but not "infidel". —BarrelProof (talk) 22:02, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pejorative 

message: In the RIGHT TO RULE section under INFEDELS UNDER CANON LAW of this article, this statement; "which in turn led to the transformation of international law's treatment of the relationship between Christian and non-Christian societies and the development of human rights" is added as an afterthought without a citation. I suggest this either be cited with a respectable academic paper and then linked to the many articles which discuss this very topic in proper detail and attention which it deserves. Until then, I will remove this phrase.MRpcubed1145 (talk) 13:37, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relation of Christian law to the development of Human rights