Talk:Settling Accounts: In at the Death

message: Well... what do think will be the major elements at the end of the war?
: I think he could be setting up a Cold War environment. He's always been dropping hints about US vs Germany... He could build that into a tripolar world with Germany, Japan, and USA...  
::- Japan & France & UK, with the Japanese Asia-Pacific Empire, and sub-Saharan Africa, and South Asian subcontinent.
::- Germany & Austro-Hungary & Turkey, with Turkey gobbling up the Middle East, Austro-Hungary taking Italy and North Africa, and Germany taking the Russian Empire bits that Japan didn't gobble.
::- USA, with what remains of China, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, some bits of South America, all of North America, by gobbling up Alaska, Greenland, various European controlled islands in the Carribean and Atlantic, the Falklands, Guyana.
Lets also not forget that the US will probably topple the "Mexican Emperor" and set up a republic, like the one in Quebec. (If Turtledove goes so far as to mention what happens to the Empire of Mexico.) 
I think, however, that the author is wrong about the atom bomb, like Germany in our timeline, I think the Confederates will capitulate before the bomb is ready. I believe that if  Turtledove continues this atomic plotline, it will be dropped on a much stronger Japan, which will free up Pacific resources.
The REAL interesting question is what about imperial Germany? Turtledove has hinted that Germany is a much more tolerant place in his time-line then it was in ours. I believe one character even mentioned how "all the jewish scientists work for the Germans." If this is true, that means Einstein never immigrates and could be working on a German bomb. If Turtledove is going to be consistant with his analogies, then I predict that the Germans will drop the atomic bomb on London towards the end of this book, setting up a German-US cold war.
what will happen to frace and the uk when they loose?
france and uk will loose more land or will germany be more lesant. 
: Personally, I think the first atomic bomb is going to be Germany droping it against some target in England, maybe London, Manchester, or York. Of course Einstein is in Germany in this timeline, in orignial timeline he was visting the US when the Nazis took over Germany and made the prudent choice of staying here. Post War in this timeline I think your looking at a Japan vs US coldwar especally because the Japanese appear to be trying to honorly stop fighting with the US. (US landing on Midway and Wake Island and finding no Japs.) UK is non contigous with Germany and already post WW I, a pupet state of Ireland was set up which would be revived so it's primarily looking at economic penalties. France is looking like it could lose a bit more territory, face economic penalties, and have German troops "De-action-ing" it. Jon 01:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the Mormon troubles, it appears that the plan is to exile them all to one of the Sandwitch islands, one of the militarily insignificant ones (some island other than Oahu) based on the very influencial congresswoman. This will effectively end their threat. (The US military bases in Oahu would need to be on tight security post war to prevent espiosage from the Japs.) On possible US targets in the CS to nuke, Atlanta is off the list, Morell's army is already in the area (just East if I recall corectly). What's not clear is if Morell is planning on using Original Timeline Sherman's burning of Altanta and march to the Sea to Savanah or if instead he's going to skip that and just march directly North East into the Carolinas. I hope the series continues. Jon 20:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, so far, Atlanta's been captured. Morell's continuing the March to the Sea, although he's also beefed up on expeditions into Alabama. It's been discovered that Huntsville's where the OTL V-1 rockets are produced, so that's taking a beating. The Mormons haven't even beem mentioned yet, 169 pages in.
What happened to Britain in the end ? Gashmak 13:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it's pretty safe to say that the terms of the peace treaty that Germany and the US will impose on the UK will be to end it's occupation of Ireland (including Ulster). Japan is also very likely to take Hong Kong and Singapore away from them (if it hasn't already). The Ottoman Empire also might want Egypt back (if they didn't get it back following the Great War; in our timeline the UK didn't offically declare it a protectate until the Ottoman Empire declared itself on the German side during WWI). The bigest wild card in the British Empire near future in TL 191 is India. Does the Indian population think it needs British protection from Japan or not?  Jon 18:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Post-War

message: One thing is very clearly hinted at: though the German-Austrian alliance is headed to winning the war in Europe, Austro-Hungaria would still fall apart in the aftermath, and probably do so more in a far more messy and bloody way than in our liftime, more like the collapse of OTL Yugolsavia. Adam Keller 11:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the Slavic uprisings in Austria-Hungry are likely getting funding by Russia; whenever Germany knocks Russia out of the war, it should go along way towards puting out those rebellions. Jon 16:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Collpase of Austro-Hungaria

message: I think the article on Timeline's 191 World War II would be a much better place for this section than this article. Jon 21:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Atomic Bomb section

message: Is there information on sequels? At the end of the book, it seems to set up a multipolar cold war type world, with Japan, UK+France+Russia, US+Germay (or separately)...
132.205.44.5 22:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice that Turtledove is not very good at providing even rough censuses, but I think it would be interesting to speculate on any similarities with World War II. Such as, for example, if 6 million Blacks were wiped out to parallel the 6 million figure often used for Jews (in our time line, the U.S. had about 12 million Blacks in 1940), and if there were mass expulsions of southern Indiana "hicks" and other British / Scotch-Irish stock from border regions into the former Confederacy to be replaced with Americans from more northern states, to parallel the expulsions of Germans from Poland, the Czech Republic, and the rest of Eastern Europe. -- BGManofID (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: There's multiple ways to interpret conclusion; that could be interpreated as simply the conclusion of the Settling Accounts quadrain, which would leave the door open for another trilogy of books in this timeline. Book covers will place what they think will increase sales on them. It won't be competely clear weather there will be or won't be any sequeals as long as Turtledove is still alive. There are several authors that wrote a sequal to a book they had writen a decade or two later. Jon 19:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually very little is known post "The War" about France & Russia. We know that the UK is still in indepedant nation, but Russia receives an ultimantium from Japan to hand over Siberian provinces which leaves a big question what's going to be left of Russia if they comply (and also what will be left if they don't). And weather the government of France is free to do anything Germany doesn't like is also very much in doubt. Jon 20:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sequels? 

message: "is made one nation."
I think "lives under one government" is more accurate.  'Nation' in typical American vernacular means country, but more etymologically 'nation' refers to groups of people defined as having some sort of genealogical or historical connection to each other irrespective of statehood.  As the CSA and USA surely consider each other separate peoples moreso in 1945 than in 1865, surely some recognition of their difference would be appropriate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.6.192 (talk) 07:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "is made one nation." 

message: Please avoid sections about possible sequels or events that would happen in the future unless you have a credible source from the author or another party backing up such a claim. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 19:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation/OR