Talk:Kingdom of Mutapa

message: What, no maps?
 ;>
I wonder where the best sources of GIS maps is for pre-european african states.
Pazouzou 05:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps 

message: I think that we should choose one spelling of the name and stick with it to simplify things.
--Thefirechild 12:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please delete this comment, it WAS an empire, a magnificent one at that, racial prejudice has completely, and I mean completely, left Shona culture and history in total shambles, the great ancient sites and spiritual grounds got robbed by foreigners, the researchers sent to the Hreat Zimbabwe plateau gave false history in their research articles until much later when a white lady and a team of all female archaeologists got the story of Ancient Zimbabwe straight, and it wasn’t easy- their research got rejected several times, because the westerners wanted to believe that it WAS NOT black people that built such a massive kingdom. I truly urge anyone that wants the truth to avidly search and research and contribute to more information about this magnificent palace. I heard there’s an animated series about monomotapa that’s gonna be released in a year or so, should be a great way to honour the great ancestors. 105.186.164.8 (talk) 04:27, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Given that older descriptions of Great Zimbabwe and other African archaeological sites have been made in environments of institutionalised racism, disregarding newer research as “revisionism” would be absurd. However, in order to maintain NPOV it would be good if the article covered more perspectives, current and historical. Incidentally, Wikipedia defines masonry as “the building of structures from individual units laid in and bound together by mortar“; Great Zimbabwe (and the two hundred or so lesser zimbabwes) are entirely dry stone. -Ahruman 12:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of Empire name for article? 

message: Going through my old world history textbook (World History: Patterns of Interaction by Dr. Roger B. Beck, Linda Black, Larry S. Krieger, Dr. Phillip C. Naylor, and Dahia Ibo Shabaka) the book states that Great Zimbabwe was in great decline by the begining of the 15th century and completely abandoned by 1450 while the seperate Mutapa Empire established by one Mutota conquering the lands formerly controlled by Great Zimbabwe. Does anyone hav information on this contradiction? --Harel Newman 23:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mutapa and Great Zimbabwe the same or not? 

message: I have never heard of this origin for the Amazulu, who did not exist as a unit people but were welded together by amalgamation of smaller Nguni-derived peoples in what is now South Africa during the mfeqane/difiqane in 18 and 19th century. (see Dingane, Chaka zulu, etc). As far as I know the Nguni came down through waht is now Mocambique. Unless you are referring to the Barotse now in the NW of Zambia. I think the statement that Zulu weakened Mwenemutapa is suspect and should be changed or bettter researched. Khumalo/Zulu people went to Zambia under Mzilikazi but that was in 1825 or thereabouts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.27.90.186 (talk) 23:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zulu from north of Zambezi?? 

message: Please be precise about the part of Africa where these chibadis were found by this misionary. It seems this was recorded in Mutapa and Kongo Kingdoms in the same year by the same misionary. Is this not a simple cut and paste. (Comment made in main page by Special:Contributions/82.37.187.104) Touchatou (talk) 12:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: There was an interesting discussion on another website about this "African civilization".
Some interesting images (I can't upload here):
(I have also deliberately NOT included any of the conjecture from the website. As such, there is no "conspiracy" here, ONLY authentic images from the time of Monomotapa.)
1. The Capital City was not in 'Zimbabwe' Rather it was on the exact spot of modern-day Pretoria.
https://www.stolenhistory.org/attachments/pretoria_map_1_1-jpg.22032/
2)But, WHO precisely ruled this "Empire"? Well, here's a 1522 Portuguese illustration..
https://www.stolenhistory.org/attachments/king_old-jpg.22035/
We see the Ruler sitting on the spot where modern-day Pretoria is., ie. NOT in 'Zimbabwe'.
And a closer look at that King reveals his ethnicity as well.
https://www.stolenhistory.org/attachments/hengi_1-jpg.22028/
This was the Reality of Southern Africa in 1522. Before the 1652 landing of Jan van Riebecck. 197.86.143.10 (talk) 06:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whose Empire was it?