Talk:Seminole Wars

message: The Philipine-American War (1899-1913) was the longest war in US history, not the Second Seminole War.
:Yes, but it was the longest of the wars fought against Native Americans. I don't know how old your comment is, but this is reflected in the present version of the article. /2019-05-07
::That comment has been there for three years. I've responded to this argument somewhere (not on this talk page) before. The WP article on that war says it lasted from February 4, 1899 to July 2, 1902, a little over three years. The article does note that resistance continued for nearly a decade after the declared end of the war. Of course, most recently, the US has been fighting in Afghanistan for 18 years. - Donald Albury 22:55, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: longest war in US history

message: Prior to 8/30/2005, this article stated that 4,000 Seminole warriors fought against as many as 200,000 U.S. soldiers during the Second Seminole War (SSW). A review of John Mahon's definitive history The Second Seminole War, or other sound sources, shows that the total population of the Seminole Indians in Florida was estimated at 4,000—this was the population of men, women, and children, not the total of the warriors. From the total population, Mahon and others have estimated a range of 900 to 1,400 Seminole allies who fought during the SSW. Of these allies, about 250 of them were estimated to be Black Seminoles.
These numbers, incidentally, do not include the 385-plus plantation slaves who joined the Black Seminoles during the war in 1836. Of those slave recruits, however, there are no firm ratios of warriors-to-non-combatants, so it is safer to stick to the known facts.
Changes were made 9/30/2005 to reflect these numbers.
The number "200,000" was also deleted from the reference to the U.S. soldiers participating in the SSW because it was wildly inflated. Again referring to Mahon, the definitive source, he states on page 325 of The Second Seminole War that 10,169 U.S. Army regulars served in Florida and another 30,000 or so men served in the state-raised militia units, for a total estimate of 40,000 who served. This was added to the revised text.
Austinbirdman 21:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers of combatants changed 

message: The sentence: "White settlers had previously attacked the had retaliated." is grammatically wrong and might mean "White settlers had previously attacked and the Seminoles had retailiated?" Is this what was meant? Johnor 22:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The First Seminole War

message: After performing a minor cleanup on the current section for the Third Seminole War, a little research at this site revealed that the Third war allegedly began "when a party of soldiers led by Lieutenant George Hartsuff was attacked by Seminoles led by Billy Bowlegs (Holata Micco)", and not by an American attack on the Seminole crops as stated. If there are any obvious reasons for this that I have missed, please let me know!L3p3r 13:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Seminole War 

message: I've managed to make this article over 70,000 bytes long now, and there is still more to be added. I think it's time to split off the Second Seminole War into its own article. In order to carry over the edit history to that article, however, the current redirect would need to be deleted, and I'm not an admin. If anyone has any opinions on the proposed split, please let me know. -- Donald Albury 12:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I started a draft (:User:Donald Albury/Patriot War) nine years ago, but got bogged down in the preliminaries (note that the draft is over 13,000 bytes, but only covers up to 1811).  also started a draft (User:Cuchullain/Patriot War) even earlier. You are welcome to plunder my draft. I would offer to help, but I have very little time available for working on article content this year. - Donald Albury 00:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, looks like you've already contributed a lot to this area. Awesome! I am new to article creation so what is the best/preferred method of working on the draft? Should I continue to edit what you started or is it better to copy and paste it over to my own Userpage? Amscheip (talk) 15:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I can clean it up and move it to Draft space. I'll let you know where to look. - Donald Albury 20:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

text:  I have moved it to Draft:Patriot War (Florida). Besides Seminole Wars, Republic of East Florida is also relevant. I have a copy of the Patrick book (Florida Fiasco), which is quite old. I might be able to access some of the other books, but I don't know when I will have time. - Donald Albury 21:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  that's great, thanks. I am a librarian in South West Florida, so I have some pretty good access to materials but, like you, it's more of accessibility to time that limits me.Amscheip (talk) 21:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the article 

message: This material does not belong here because this article provides only a brief summary of the major events of the Second Seminole War (the main article is at Second Seminole War) and this article is already too long. Details about David Moniac could go into an article about him, as long as they are properly cited from a reliable source. You can create an article three days after you register an account. -- Donald Albury 13:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material on David Moniac 

message: As the Phillipine-American War officially ended in 1902, it only lasted for 3 years. The Second Seminole War ran from 1835 until 1842, when it was officially declared to be over, but without any treaty and with the survivors of the Seminoles still in southern Florida. Conflicts continued to occur at a low level between the Seminoles and white settlers, Florida militia and US troops until the fighting flared up again in the Third Seminole War of 1856-58. By the criteria that would extend the fighting in the Phillipines until 1913, the conflict in Florida ran from 1835 until 1858 (23 years). That war also ended without a treaty. A treaty with the Seminoles was finally achieved in the 1960s. -- Donald Albury 11:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phillipine-American War 

message: Hi, I recently made changes to the info-box but I seen a lot of punctuation errors in the article. I see that I'm new to the article, so I'm goign to "clean-up" the English, therein. InternetHero (talk) 01:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in info-box 

message: I think this is a philosophical issue rather than numbers of dead or territory lost/gained. We see with the impending references below that the U.S. war department saw this as a pyrrhic victory as much as any commander can win a strategic gamble that decides the fate of a nation, but fail at politik. We experience this in the Iroquois Confederacy when tobacco and guns sales impede the representation of social trends.
                 
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State-funded library(1). The link doesn't work go to the timeline at the bottom after the 'Seminole' redirection. It's about the House of Representatives granting a seat to the Seminoles. There were many debates about Andrew Jackson's methods during the wars, but I'll leave that be. In the end, it seems they wanted to pay them and bury the hatchet than simply winning, so maybe a military stalemate like that of Pontiac's Rebellion of he British. What ya'll think? Probably going to edit later next month and hope for a discussion first. 
 208.96.66.213 (talk) 23:14, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Military Stalemate? 

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message: "If there were a normal amount of dark matter those clusters would be speeding around at about 67,000 mph (108,000 kilometres per hour). Instead, the clusters were moving at about 18,000 mph (28,000 kilometres per hour). That's about how fast they would move if there were no dark matter at all, van Dokkum said."
Velocity is a Gross Force.
Capacity as well as ATTRITION. I see no reason why the 'addition' of mass in almost every mathematical calc. doesn't apply here?
Normal Forces receive light from stars as well as NOT TOO much for life. 216.223.90.33 (talk) 20:42, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Edit taking away credible references

message: As in “if I were you”. “Were” is singular in the subjunctive. “Was” is wrong. See English subjunctive. deisenbe (talk) 17:28, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  “If the land were found suitable” is grammatically correct. 

message: Adding flagicons to Alexander Arbuthnot and Robert Ambrister given that they represented arms of the British armed forces (Royal Marines and Colonial Marines, respectively). If anyone has any objections, please feel free to say so here. MarkMcCain (talk) 20:13, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Flagicons for commanders and leaders