Wikipedia talk:Five pillars

message: Greetings Wikifolx,
As someone studying decolonization in North America, the more of my time spent listening to and learning from Indigenous knowledge keepers, the more white supremacist and Eurocentric Wikipedia becomes in my reading of it. Just in case you think white supremacy only looks like nazis, neonazis and kkk members, please check out Tema Okun's paper on White Supremacy Culture before replying about how Wikipedia isn't. 
The standpoint that wikipedia tends to be written from is not one that centres or even really gives space to Indigenous knowledge (epistemologies) and ways of being in the world/worldview (ontologies), and specifically privileges the western or Euro-North American perspective. This included the concept of a "neutral tone."
There are many articles that come across as nearly "blatantly" racist because of this, especially when an author introduced an Indigenous concept or knowledge, and then either refutes it with "science," or with a perspective that erases the violence done to Indigenous peoples by our (Euro-descended folx) claim to objectivity and neutrality.
Is there a "Decolonize Wikipedia" subgroup or chat area where decolonizing Wikipedia is beginning, or starting to get discussed? The "noble" aim of Wikipedia, to make knowledge accessible and free, is difficult to support when it is only a specific knowledge, and then a racist knowledge that is (this might be hard to read for the first time, sorry about that) literally designed to support whiteness as an ideal category (of being, knowing, and value).
Self-location: My lineage is mostly Germanic and Celtic, and living on Coast Salish territory (even as an invited guest in one Nation's territories) means I am actively dis-placeing Indigenous peoples by being here.
HISWKE for the space to have this discussion.
Kikila mai Tawhiti (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There is :Category:Active WikiProjects which lists things like Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America and there's inittiatives to include a more diverse set of editors, particularly women. Looking at what you say though it is not in the business of treating things like healing with crystals and shamanism as something to be actually believed in, it doesn't treat christianity that way either. And what's said need to be documented in WP:reliable sources. NadVolum (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Not what you're after but Decolonization of knowledge is Wikipedia's article about the topic. NadVolum (talk) 12:49, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pillar 2 is problematic 

message: I reverted online because being online was not the point of the pillar and because of . NadVolum (talk) 14:43, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @NadVolum: I didn't even consider it being on a CD or DVD. I know that Wikipedia is mainly an online encyclopedia, but it is also other things. Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say that it is not the point of the pillar? I appreciate your explanation. Interstellarity (talk) 18:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read the text for the pillar it is all about what it is and isn't because it is an encyclopaedia. There is nothing about what it is or isn't because it is online and being online makes very little difference for that. NadVolum (talk) 18:53, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Inserting "online" to give  obfuscates the point of the message. That point is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not the other things. Johnuniq (talk) 01:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:    Thanks for your ideas and efforts but I agree with NadVolum and Johnuniq.   Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online encyclopaedia 

message: The revision history shows that many users attempted to add the shortcut WP:5 to this page, but these edits were reverted. This shows that a consensus is needed for us to add this shortcut or not. 
Use oppose if you oppose this addition, or support if you agree with adding the WP:5 shortcut. InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 12:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , will try to change your mind the old-fashioned way. Will hypnotize you. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

text: *Support. The five pillars are widely known, and per Novem Linguae. mwwv(converse) 16:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add [[WP:5]] as a shortcut?