Talk:Antichrist/Archive 1

message: This is a far more mundane answer to the question and probably of far less dramatic value, but for anyone who takes a serious, critical look at the book of revelation itself, they will find it to be nothing more than a coded message for the early church.  I suggest everyone read F. Engels critical analysis of the text (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/religion/book-revelations.htm).  You will find an interesting study of the Hebrew translation of the name Nero, which comes out to 666 (Hebrew has been adapted to have a number correspond to each letter as in Latin).  Simply speaking, the writer known to us as "John" feared that after Nero's death he would return to further attack the early Christian church.  Needless to say this did not happen.  I reproduce here Engels work with the Hebrew of Nero:
"About 300 years before our era the Jews began to use their letters as symbols for numbers. The speculative Rabbis saw in this a new method for mystic interpretation or cabbala. Secret words were expressed by the figure produced by the addition of the numerical values of the letters contained in them. This new science they called gematriah, geometry. Now this science is applied here by our “John.” We have to prove (1) that the number contains the name of a man, and that man is Nero; and (2) that the solution given holds good for the reading 666 as well as for the equally old reading 616. We take Hebrew letters and their values — 
ב (nun) n= 50         ק (keph) k = 100
ר (resh) r = 200      פ (samech) s= 60
ן (van) for o = 6     ר (resh) r = 200
נ (nun) n= 50
"Neron Kesar, the Emperor Neron, Greek Nêron Kaisar. Now, if instead of the Greek spelling, we transfer the Latin Nero Caesar into Hebrew characters, the nun at the end of Neron disappears, and with it the value of fifty. That brings us to the other old reading of 616, and thus the proof is as perfect as can be desired. [The above spelling of the name, both with and without the second nun, is the one which occurs in the Talmud, and is therefore authentic.]"
Much less interesting than Arnold Shwarzawhatever, Bill Gates, Adolf Hitler, or George Bush, but I'm afraid it's far more realistic.
:Samech is actually ס, but Wikipedia has problems with Hebrew.  Feel free to make this change; I feel that the whole "identifications of the antichrist" needs drastic reassessment.  This is trite on Wikipedia, but when I have more time, I'm going to give it a good scouring.  Be bold!--Mgreenbe 21:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of this is already covered in Number of the Beast and Book of Revelation.  Pfalstad 21:59, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nero as the "beast" 

message: All edits done in this revision seem extremely suspect. The major additions in the edit include:
::The antichrist will divide the world and create war without end.
::He will lie to God, or declare obvious or God given truths to be lies.
::Also this is interpreted to mean he will declare that things which are evil to be good.
::He will refer to war as peace, death as a solution for justice,
::and serving the wealthy as a means of helping the poor.
Most of this seems to be written to directly implicate George W. Bush. War without end = Iraq, Death as a solution for justice = death penalty, serving the wealthy as a means of helping the poor = Supply side economics. Other edits include: 
::This is understood to mean that the antichrist will be a leader who deceives many people. The thing about the anti-christ that will set him apart from other leaders is that many nations will recognize that he is evil, but his own people will be inclined to believe his deceptions. This is believed to be because the people who follow him will lose the ability to discern between the truth and the lie.
:Revelation states that "He will appear as an angel of light", which is interepreted to mean that he will profess to be a man of God, or a person who is himself a Christian.
:Israel starting in 1967 would therefore place the arrival of the anti-christ before 2007.
Please note, that I myself have liberal political views. But this edit, to me, seems like blatant POVing by a fellow liberal to implicate George W Bush as being the antichrist. AstroBlue 23:54, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by 12.219.195.12 

message: I moved this article back to Category:Christianity instead of Category:Christian mythology.  As the article in chief on Christian mythology makes clear, that topic is for legendary tales that supplement or illustrate Christian teaching and history; the history contained in the Bible is not "Christian mythology," howevermuch it may seem so to non-Christians.  The existence or future existence of an Antichrist or Beast, by contrast, is affirmed in the Bible itself.  As such, it belongs with Christianity rather than Christian mythology.  Smerdis of Tlön 14:21, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: :The 'Rising' or 'coming out' of the Antichrist allows the identifying by all persons of who the Antichrist is by his Bibilcally predicted death and resurrection the same as Christ after three days of being clearly dead. This Antichrist who rises from the dead (as Christ)is not the same person who died but a demonized person full of apparently miraculous power as Christ. Candidates for such "rising" would be Pope John Paul II dying 2:37 EST April 2 and rising 2:37 EST april 5. (Again understanding that the "thing" arising is the Antichrist and not saintly John Paul II, but his demonized body.)
I'd like to see some kind of authority or source for the claim that the Pope has been resurrected by demons.  You'd expect something like that to be in all the papers. -- Smerdis of Tlön 14:10, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: haha I thought this was great ays 21:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Paul II due for demonic resurrection? 

message: I just heard Cumbey on the radio talking about cumbey and it is far from clear that she is not saying he is the antichrist, --SqueakBox 04:27, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
:Someone on the radio claims to be the antichrist?  -- Smerdis of Tlön 13:35, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cumbey and Solana

message: I removed a qualifying phrase that an anon editor had added to the intro about how the Antichrist was the embodiment of evil in "the eyes of Chatolocism."  Not sure exactly what Chatolocism is.  Assuming that Roman Catholicism was the intended meaning, such a qualification is much too narrow.  Since the Antichrist is mentioned in the New Testament as the embodiment of evil, this belief is pretty much universal to Christianity.  -- Smerdis of Tlön 13:24, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chatolocism

message: There are two points of view that I don't find adequately represented in this article.  Just adding my thoughts here; I may come back and make the edits, or someone may be able to adapt what I write here on the talk page and insert it.
I just added a link to bible.ca that expresses the view that there is no such person as "the Antichrist."  Instead, arguing from passages such as the one that mentions that there are already "antichrists" in the world (in the first century CE) and from passages that say the one who denies Christ is the antichrist, they assert that antichrist means anyone opposed to Christ.  This is more or less expressed in the article in the "Antichrist in the New Testament" section, but I feel like the leader is left with the impression that nobody believes that today.  It might be helpful to explicitly say that there are those who do not believe that Antichrist is linked with other phrases in the Bible, such as the "man of sin and son of perdition" or with prophecies in Daniel, etc..
The other point of view is very significant historically.  However, it is also quite inflammatory.  This is the view that the Pope, in general, is the Antichrist.  The article does mention that specific popes have had this accusation levelled at them, but this view refers to the office itself and all of its occupants throughout history rather than any specific Pope.  I've heard it asserted that since the Bible says the man of sin and son of perdition will be destroyed with the brightness of Christ's coming and since it also says that Antichrists were getting started in the first century that this refers to the development of the church hierarchy culminating in the papacy.  Believers of this view believe that hierarchy is completely foreign to the church autonomy they perceive in the New Testament.  They would say that in John's day (the last apostle, at the close of the first century) that churches were beginning to go into the "great apostasy" and that one development was the beginnings of this hierarchy.  They believe John identifies those participating as the "many antichrists," but still believe he referred to a singular antichrist coming, the Pope.  Jdavidb 14:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article deficiencies 

message: When most Christians read of the "man of sin", the antichrist, most automatically think of a flesh man.
But angels have been called men (Gen. 18:2, three men, Elohim and two angels called men, but called angels 19:1, 15. Compare John 20:12 with Luke 24:4)
God is a "man" (Heb. ish) of war (Exo. 15:3).
Lucifer is called a "man" (Heb. ish) in Isa. 14:16.
"Gabriel" means "man of God", and the archangel is called a man in Dan. 9:21.
Satan was sentenced to death in Ezek. 28; he was sentenced to perdition. That makes him the son of perdition.
(Rev 12:9)  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
We have Average Joe Christian. One day he looks up, and sees the most beautiful cherub God ever created descending with two-hundred million angels (Rev. 9:16; 12:7-10).
What will he think?
Will he say to himself, "Ah! The adversary is here!"
Or will he sing out load, "Halleluiah, Christ has returned!"
This is why the Harlot declares, "I sit a queen, and am no widow" (Rev. 18:7), and why those that "kill" the elect will believe they are doing God service (John 16:2), not Satan.
The devil has his own supernatural body that he is quite proud of (Ezek. 28). And he would never allow anybody else to do what he aspires to do, be God (Isa. 14). And NOWHERE is it written that he shall enter into a flesh body as antichrist.
Since you are drawing your educated assumption from different symbols of the antichrist, please tell me how Satan has seven heads, ten horns, and bear's feet. Adventist Dude 02:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identity 

message: (moved from top of page by Cberlet 21:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome. This is one of those pages were editors tend to want to see some scholarly cite for any major revisions.  For example, you may have a concept about the Antichrist lopping off heads, but it is a well-established fact that certain Christians have been claiming to know the identity of the Antichrist for many centuries.  So your text in this case would be "original research" and is not going to be seen as appropriate as an editorial addition. Hal Lindsey dated the start of the apocalyptic clock to the founding of Israel, not 1967.  These details matter.--Cberlet 21:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisions?

message: Arnold Schwarzenegger is, of course, the Antichrist. It's pretty obvious after you really take the time to study his life. Most people think of him as a big, dumb, joker who's fairly innocent and just out to have a good time. Please. Have you ever heard him speak in German? He doesn't sound so funny then. In fact, he sounds downright scary. The guy was born within one year of Israel becoming a nation again (one of the most important fulfilled prophecies of the Bible indicating the world is entering the End Times). He was born on the hottest day of the hottest month of the hottest year every recorded in Austria. He was born in the same country that spawned Hitler. He has rapidly risen to great heights of power. He's succeeded in everything he has attempted, as if his life is somehow charmed. The name Arnold Schwarzenegger can be broken down into a base form of ARNOLD SCHWARZ-NEGER. Which literally means; 'Strong Black Black'. It also consists of 18 characters (or 6-6-6). T4 stands for Tiergarten Strasse Number 4, the address of the organization the developed and implemented gas chambers in German concentration camps. ‘T4’ was widely known about in NAZI Germany, and it is incomprehensible that Arnold would not only associate himself with the acronyms T2 and T3… but also use them to make money. So we've had T1, T2, and T3... what is NEXT? I could go on, and on and on and on. Things like Arnold saying, "I've never wanted to be famous for hundreds of years but for thousands of years... like Jesus." You get the picture. Now just remember one thing. Arnold in his present state may not be the Antichrist yet. The Antichrist (Satan inside of and controlling a resurrected leader that was apparently assassinated) will not reveal himself until his human host has been wounded in the head and dies, or seems to die. So Arnold may just be a self centered Nazi creep with dreams of world domination at this point. He may need to be killed before transforming into the true Antichrist. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "I'll be back." doesn't it? P.S. Did you realize that Arnold has been crucified at least twice in his movies ('Conan the Barbarian' and 'End of Days')? Yeah. What are the odds.
:Ha ha ha.--Urbane legend 14:32, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a book could be written on the subject.  I would only add that in Terminator, Ahh-nuld's character was an unstoppable killing machine, much like the Anti-christ is thought to be. -Oatmeal batman 16:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arnold Schwarzenegger is the Antichrist 

message: Wikipedia is purportedly attempting to collect and make available the vast of human knowledge. Echoing the above sentiments, it's dangerous to call Bush or Schwarzenegger or even Hitler the anti-Christ. In doing so, the person or persons making these egregious claims is doing nothing to educate those about this religious figure, but instead is providing a slanderous, opinionated count of what they believe. As such, it's pretty clear that if everyone were to include their opinion in every article they create, Wikipedia would no longer be an encyclopedia, but rather a blog. Now, who wants that?
Come on everyone, you're way better than this. Stick to the facts.
--Kevin Morenski 09:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's part of the vast array of human knowledge that whack-jobs of all stripes apply the label "antichrist" to their imagined enemies or selected opponents, sometimes out of concern that their foe actually is the antichrist, and others just to discomfit their foe. Probably not every instance requires a link! - Nunh-huh 09:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia will obviously not claim Bush or whoever "is" the Antichrist, but it can very well report on common allegations. We have an entire (long) article about 9/11 conspiracy theories. Entire books and websites are dedicated to Bush as Antichrist, so the phenomenon is clearly notable enough for WP to report on it. dab (ᛏ) 14:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: as long as they add that the people who think this are troubled in the head as they so obviously are if they believe that Dappled Sage 03:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason explaining the deletion of Bush-related material 

message: As revealed to John:
(Ref:  Revelation 13.1-13.18)
"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:  and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed:  and all the world wondered after the beast.
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:  and they worshipped the beast, saying Who is like unto the beast?  Who is able to make war with him?
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:  and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If any man have an ear, let him hear.
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity:  he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.  Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
And I [John] beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
And he doeth greth wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sigh of men.
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark IN their right hand, or IN their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom.  Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:  for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
=== Comment ===
Readers may discover that scholars interpret the Bible's usage of "seven heads" "ten horns" "ten crowns" etc...as symbolic. I personally do not agree. Then again, I'm not a Bible scholar.   But the above passage is found in the book of Revelation.,,,Ariele 05:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: where is it is it still there? if so ill move it Dappled Sage 04:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book of Revelation 

message: Readers may discover that scholars interpret the Bible's usage of "seven heads" "ten horns" "ten crowns" etc...as symbolic. I personally do not agree. Then again, I'm not a Bible scholar.   But the above passage is found in the book of Revelation.,,,Ariele 05:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: While trying to find info on the Antichrist I noticed these two comments:
"The name George Bush, through Gematria equals 666"
and
"The English word Antichrist is taken from the Greek αντίχριστος antíkhristos, which literally means "George W. Bush."
Will you remove?  Will I be famous if I leak this to the media? I take it that anyone could have made those changes, and I must admit that I no longer consider Wikipedia as a valued resource tool if anyone can insert anything.
66.76.222.24 15:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: where is it is it still there? if so ill move it Dappled Sage 04:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will You Remove 

message: Just noticed that Iran borders 7 countries (seven heads). Now if only there's a "10" for ten horns lying somewhere...
Ringthane 16:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need an article on newspaper exegesis. —Charles P.  (Mirv) 17:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think this assessment is on the right track.  But possibly not exactly ... the ancient Roman empire - yes.  I've come across references indicating Greece and Turkey.  As I said before, I'm not a Bible scholar.,,,,,Ariele 02:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mahmoud Ahmadinedjad 

message: Okay guys, here is a question I have: do we really need everyone's view on who the Antichrist is? The obvious ones are President Bush and various other presidents, but do we need a list of *every* potential candiate? I think the list is continuing to grow, so maybe as the list expands we could create a seperate page, something like "List of potential antichrists," and have an abbreviated list with the more popular views.--68.69.111.110 02:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contemporary identifications--do we need more? 

message: I went through the external links looking for good authorities to back up the article, and found lots of POV pushing and not much reliable data.
*Who is the Antichrist from Anti-Christ.Com 
*Antichrist watch on Javier Solana
*The Final Signs
*Who is the Antichrist? argues based on limiting the definition of Antichrist to only those verses of the Bible which use the term that "Antichrist" does not refer to a specific person
*Apostles to the Antichrist as described in 2 John 1:7
*Basic 666 Calculator uses ASCII code combinations to find this number in user typed text.
*The Advent of Ahriman: An Essay on the Deep Forces behind the World-Crisis essay containing an Anthroposophist's alert about the Antichrist relation to current-day world.
*The Doctrine of the Papal Antichrist by Michael Bunker
Plenty of monographs, Geocities pages and such, but no real meat.  If these are sources then they should be listed as such otherwise my understanding of WP:EL indicates that they are not really relevant. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 12:25, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole article is uncited; I think the links can all go.  The page needs massive cleanup. --Mgreenbe 12:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: The site http://www.biblegateway.com/ lets one generate URLs for bible citations, e.g. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:16;&version=31 giving John 3:16.  I've been thinking of editing all the Scripture references on this page to use this format;  does that seem reasonable?  I don't want to make a bunch of edits that someone immediately deletes, especially given the nascent edit war over the Papacy.  BTW version=31 is the NIV, but the site makes it easy to switch among translations.  --David.alex.lamb 05:14, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There having been no comments, I've made all the citations I could.  When someone references the wikipedia article on a given book, there's currently no good way to both reference the article and also the biblegatway citation -- but I think I know how to do so. --David.alex.lamb 23:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bible References 

message: Most of this is a long Bible quotation; can it be replaced with a Template:bibleref template?  On the one hand, the page is getting rather long and should be shortened where reasonable.  On the other, someone made a bunch of internal links that would get lost (some of which, however, seem not very relevant, e.g. sword).
Alternatively, I could add a citation without deleting what's there. --David.alex.lamb 00:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the citation, specifying KJV in the link.  But I'd still like to consider deleting the long embedded quote. --David.alex.lamb 03:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prophetic identification section 

message: Isn't the antichrist the virgin Mary's sister? --Miller 14:33, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Aunty Christ

message: Shouldn't George W Bush be mentioned somewhere on here?
:He is. — JEREMY 08:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just love liberals theyre so naive. Dappled Sage 03:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: George Bush

message: I've moved the following addition to Contemporary Identifications here because I think it needs to be better documented.
:According to Latin Alphabet equivalents to Hebrew, the letter "W" is the sixth letter in the Hebrew alphabet, thus making "666" equivalent to "www."
It's not clear what's meant by "Latin Alphabet equivalents to Hebrew", for example. Please elaborate, preferably with wikilinks and/or external citations. — JEREMY 08:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the Hebrew letter ו is equivalent to 'W', is the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, and has a numerical value of 6. however, adding the numbers together (as is standard practice in gematria—it's how one gets 666 from the Hebrew equivalent of 'Nero Caesar') gives you 18, which means nothing special. this information belongs on Number of the Beast if it belongs anywhere, and it definitely needs a source. —Charles P._(Mirv) 15:32, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WWW as 666

message: I removed a number of blog, personal interpretation and spam links. I did it without a jawbone of an ass too. (Hold your tongue!) Dominick (TALK) 19:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Geocities link is a PoV fork, read WP:NN Dominick (TALK) 22:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't restore the geocities link, unless there is a verifiable reason to include it. One persons raving is not notable unless it becomes a widespread opinion. Dominick (TALK) 16:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RM Links 

message: DO we need to name all those people to make the point, and tell the tale? Dominick (TALK) 17:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identification 

message: I want sources before putting something like this! Arctic-Editor 19:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Soryu Asuka Langley as the antichrist?  I think not!--Cberlet 19:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asuka from Evangelion as AntiChrist 

message: I have taken out the image "Damien Thorn in The Omen.jpg" as this is under a fair use licence, so can be used in an article discussing  on "The Omen", (and possibly the actor playing Damien Thorn) but can't be used in unrelated articles, such as this one. Regards, MartinRe 18:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image not fair use 

message: this is a joke right?....Lorne Spicer, whoever the hell she is, doesn't deserve to be in the main summary for being the anti-christ. 66.41.59.162 19:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Lorne Spicer]]

message: That's what I think. He's definitely evil enough.--Jnelson09 22:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Fred Phelps]] 

message: The section, "The Antichrist and false prophets, in the words of Jesus and Paul" is written like a FAQ, not like an encyclopedia.
And,   
::Thank you for your pointless and unhelpful remarks. Please feel free to visit other sites on the Internet.--Cberlet 03:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, as far as pointless remarks go, your response is the worse offender.  I'll go ahead and make the changes, since you seem much to busy to be bothered with such trivial matters.  --Quasipalm 03:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like you already changed the section I had a problem with.  Thanks for telling me my remarks were pointless, and then agreeing with me.  Strange. -Quasipalm 03:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why didn't you fix the page rather than browsing by and just making rude comments on this page?  That is what was pointless.  We are writing an encyclopedia, not trying to impress other editors with our glib denunciations of a page that has obvious problems. It would have taken you 30 seconds to fix the page. So I fixed it. And you suggest that I am "much to busy to be bothered with such trivial matters." Do some work here, don't just pontificate.--Cberlet 13:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  wtf is this... the Antichrist FAQ?

message: "(e.g. in relation to the Tribulation, Beast, Dragon, Whore of Babylon, False Prophet, etc.)"
e.g. means for example so we have for example in relation to which seems awkward to me. I would change it but I'm not sure what the original author was trying to say. --Gbleem 05:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  e.g. 

message: I came here looking for info about the concept because Nostradamus is said to have predicted the third antichrist arriving in the near future.  With things heating up in the Middle East, Nostradamus could be right.  So I am reading all this stuff here and I need to know if I am the antichrist.  The following is true, I promise you.
I am Hebrew.
I am a member of the Kohainim, direct descendents of Aaron.
I believe I was born at exactly the same time that Israel became a sovereign state.
My full given English name is first, middle, last, each 6 letters.
My Hebrew name means life and is equivalent to #18 (6+6+6).
I have been clinically dead three times (toxic chemical levels in my blood twice and open-heart surgery).
The only problem with all this is that I am an ordinary nice person.  You would not know me if I met you and kicked you in the shin.
Perhaps by reading this page and writing my story things will change.  Who knows?
w_i_k_i_1_8.at.yahoo.com (it's a one)
:It is extremely unlikely to be you. The Antichrist is likely to be from the tribe of Dan. rossnixon 01:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sir you are officially the "smartest" person ever. I know lost of people with 6 letters per name type. Besides Jesus was jewish and I'm pretty sure most jewish peple descend directly or indirectly from hebrews. Dappled Sage 02:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could it be? 

message: Googling "imac antichrist" or "i-mac antichrist" brings up the following computer-related statements on the first page: 
:"Windows is the anti-christ." 
:"The true anti-christ would have 'aol' somewhere in his address."
:"Dell is the anti-christ for not replacing the poor man's laptop sooner."
:"Bill Gates is the Anti-Christ."
There is no reference to imac as the Anti-Christ. I'm removing the reference. -Exucmember 18:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Anti-Christ: Mac guy or PC Guy? 

message: I found this website where this guy named Harry Walther claims that the antichrist is the Maitreya (or the Future Buddha) because if you spell Maitreya in Hebrew and then add up the letters you get 666. Here is the website: http://www.satansrapture.com/maitreya.htm The Fading Light 19:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maitreya 

message: It seems that scholars generally agree that the antichrist was the Roman Emperor Nero.  It looks like this article doesn't take that well into account, and there isn't balance between the schools of thought that think that the Revelation account was about history versus those who think that Revelation is about the future.  I'd put it in myself, but I really just don't know enough details to really contribute anything good.  By the way, the name Nero does have some correspondence to the 666.  J.J. Bustamante 07:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Emperor Nero 

message: Antichrist is an exclusively Christian concept. One might argue for its inclusion into an article relating it to the Jewish faith; as many of the prophetic citations come from the Hebrew scriptures, but the Muslim concept of Dajjal, is exclusive to that faith. No christian would recognise the Dajjal figure as the Antichrist, as it is not part of any Christian canon. In addition, the muslim concept of the Madhi is not the same as the Christian messiah, as muslims do not accept that Jesus is the Messiah, ergo: they are not the same embodiment, as christians believe Jesus is the sole embodiment of the Messiah. The Muslim concept should be included under the Islam heading as it is specific to that religion.
--Aestiva 19:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AntiChrist  

message: The name I've heard the most (by far) as the contemporary anti-Christ is Bill Gates (including a 666 numerology for his name). It may not be a serious claim, but others in the article are (hopefully) not serious either. Why was the mention of him deleted? At present there is no reference to him at all in the article (though a whole section is devoted to "Contemporary identifications," and George Bush supposedly merits mention in the introduction. -Exucmember 05:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Gates 

message: There seems to be a lot of contention around a recently added image. Can we please discuss the arguments for and against it before deciding whether or not to keep it in or remove it? SparrowsWing 20:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding image