Wikipedia talk:Page name

message: At the beginning?  The end?  These instruction pages need to be more specific as to where and how such editing is done.  Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nycdi (talk • contribs) 18:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At the beginning is normal, I believe (though it will work anywhere). I've added a sentence to the instructions.--Kotniski (talk) 09:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Where in an article does one insert a DISPLAYTITLE magic word?

message: There is a film titled 65_Redroses, note the underscore. How do we get the underscore to appear in the page name? BOVINEBOY2008 22:19, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done (the DISPLAYTITLE has to come after the infobox, otherwise the DISPLAYTITLE from the infobox will override it).--Kotniski (talk) 07:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! BOVINEBOY2008 09:19, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  65_Redroses 

message: I'm obviously being obtuse. Girls Club (TV series) needs to be lowercase. I've tried DISPLAYTITLE in many different ways to get it to work. What I want is  Can someone point out my mistake? SmallRepair (talk) 01:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You almost had it right with your last attempt... The DISPLAYTITLE needs to go after the infobox. However it must match the title "exactly" otherwise it won't work. Only the first letter of the title can have a different case. So to get the title to display as girls club (TV series) you'll first need to move (rename) the article to Girls club (TV series) with a small "C".--Kotniski (talk) 10:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the help! I'll start on that today and get back to you. SmallRepair (talk) 19:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Worked perfectly, thanks! SmallRepair (talk) 23:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  girls club (TV series) 

message: A while ago (a year, more?) we changed the title of WP:Naming conventions to WP:Article titles.  This was due to a realization that the word "name" carried emotional connotations that were causing disputes.  "Names" are often associated with political, religious, ideological, or other strongly felt POVs, and we had endless argument over which "name" was "correct" or "official".  We resolved this (or at least helped to resolve this) by changing terminology to "title"... a word that was more neutral and did not carry all the emotional baggage of the word "name". I am wondering if a similar shift in word usage would be a benefit here as well. 
I realize that the term "page name" is a standard way to refer to a page on the internet.  I also understand that this page talks about more than just articles ... but I think it would lessen potential confusion to keep terminology consistent between policy pages.  So... how would people feel about shifting to the usage "Page titles" instead of "Page names"?  Blueboar (talk) 14:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't object, although we do have the parser variables PAGENAME and so on, which would be a reason for staying with "page name". Perhaps it would make some kind of sense to use "name" to refer to the actual stored title, and "title" for the displayed title (so EBay is the name and eBay is the title) - or would that just confuse people even more?--Kotniski (talk) 17:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would confuse even more. Blueboar (talk) 23:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I guess so. Well, I've no objection to changing "name" to "title" on this page (and also perhaps at Help:Page name). But we should perhaps explicitly define terms like "stored title" (any better suggestions?) and "displayed title", since sometimes it becomes confusing (for example, we currently say that titles beginning with a small letter are not valid - but this is only true if we mean "stored title", not "displayed title").--Kotniski (talk) 11:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember that <title> is the HTML tag (and name) for the name/title of a web page... naming names, being always a required and at the same time something tricky, needs great attention. Michel Merlin (talk) 19:29, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested shift in terminology 

message: What can be the problem when  fails to work on a page, but the title of a different one from the same namespace is changed duly? Can a local project be set to react only to cosmetic changes in the title like modifying the font? Thanks. --Microcell (talk) 11:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, English Wikipedia is set so that only certain cosmetic and minor changes are possible. Can you give more information about what it is you'd like to do?--Kotniski (talk) 16:47, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem was noticed in the Ukrainian Wikipedia, but there're no detailed descriptions of the option, which made me ask for help here. I guess these settings are the same for both of the projects, not surely though. Could you please give the list of possible title modifications if it's been formed here? Also, where are they set and who normally has access to them on a certain project? Thank you! --Microcell (talk) 18:33, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically you can change the formatting (to italics or bold, for example) and you can change the first letter to lower-case. Other things are also possible, like changing spaces to underscores - the condition is that the title on display should still link to the same page if you put it between [ [ ] ]. (Though it's technically possible to "hide" part of the title.) You can ask the developers to take away these restrictions, so that any displayed title is possible, but you'd have to show them a consensus to do that on Ukrainian WP.--Kotniski (talk) 07:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks again for the explanation, there is no urgent need for technical changes at the moment. Please, elaborate what parts of a title can be changed and in what way, so that I'll be aware. P.S. Maybe, it's relevant for this page and can be mentioned along with the DISPLAYTITLE description, in order to spare the time of challengers like me? :) --Microcell (talk) 09:18, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  DISPLAYTITLE 

message: I expanded the lead with material that I hope will help terminology.
While copy editing the lead, I noticed there is nothing in the article about "moving pages". — CpiralCpiral 03:50, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving pages fwd 

message: The image that shows "Help:Page name", where Page name is labeled "basename" is confusing.  Please use another page that does not say "Page name".  How about have the image say "Template:Search link" or something and label "Search link" as the "basename".  Otherwise, without the "helpful" clue of "Help:", it looks like "Page name" is "basename", because we're teaching "Page name" and the student is trying to learn quickly by looking at that image, and it is confusing.  — CpiralCpiral 21:00, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I found an image for Help:Categories, and changed it to that. But, indeed Page name is the basename of both the article and this talk page! Wbm1058 (talk) 20:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for that Wbm1058.  I found a confusion (after careful study) between "pagename" and "page name", namely that although "pagename" is always basename, as you say, "page name" (the two-word form) outside of Main is namespace:basename. I hope I have now clarified this confusion.  I rewrote the intro. (I also rewrote it 3 mos. ago.) It now contains an explanation using the example "Help:Categories" which corresponds to the image you changed.  — CpiralCpiral 00:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  An unhelpful image 

message: Has anyone considered using DISPLAYTITLE to shrink the font of a disambiguation term in an article title? I saw that I could do this with HTML "small" opening and closing tags around the term. Perhaps this approach could help de-emphasize the disambiguation term. It would appear less prominently in the article title. Any takers? Erik (talk | contribs) 19:37, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't get it.  It sounds like a style consistency decision to make at the MediaWiki software level.  Got an example, a link or something? Why talk:page name? — CpiralCpiral 06:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Because WP:DISPLAYTITLE is a redirect to WP:Page name#Changing the displayed title.  I've since documented Template:DISPLAYTITLE, and its seems to be holding up OK there. — CpiralCpiral 23:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small font with displaytitle 

message: Meet the terminology in a nutshell:
# The following pairs of terms are equal in Main, and differ by a namespace outside of Main: {fullpagename, pagename}, {page name, pagename}, {page name; a titular, base, name}, {page name, basename). (That last pair is tricky.  It has to do with the common term "base" as an adjective separated from its noun by a comma if there are two adjectives describing the same noun.)
#The following pairs of terms have the same meaning: {"page name", "full page name"}, {pagename, base name}, {basename, base name} (Important: {pagename, page name} are different. See 1.)
The article currently uses both basename and base name.   They were meant to help:page name, where this WP:page name came from long ago.
Pagename and basename are redundant and confusing.  Basename does always equal pagename, "base name" does not equal "page name" (See 1): thus basename and "base name" are as potently confusing a terminology as pagename and "page name". That seemingly "optional" space is not at all innocuous. Ironically the sole benefit of basename/"base name" was that of alleviating (by distancing) "pagename" from "page name". It doesn't work here because of pagename, and our technical mandate to incorporate pagename.  So basename has to go.
Currently this project page uses "basename". But because there is a magic word called , the figure we use in this project page could say namespace:pagename.  That's not at all unreasonable or difficult to grasp for this audience. We could change the six "basename" terms in section one to "pagename" (without the space). This will erase one third of the potential confusion by limiting the terminology, and another third by clearly stating the difference between "pagename" and "page name" (with the space).  Most of the remaining third will be swept away with all the sentences that try to train the reader to equate basename with pagenamethere are manyand what little confusion remains is inextricable: it is that not-so-innocuous " " (space) character between pagename, and page name. — 
Again, I suppose we chose to introduce the term base name because the programmers' "pagename" was too technical for the lay editors' assumed preference "base name".  But that before this article was moved from Help (for lay editors) to Wikipedia (a more technical sphere?)  
CpiralCpiral 08:53, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: A proposal to overhaul the terminology

message: Here is a major movement of the sections, their titles, and the sentences that made or did not make the stitches. I copy edited the entire page.  Please comment.  THanks. — CpiralCpiral 00:42, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Still working on it.  Looking at the older version, I'm shrinking back seeing some inaccuracies. The newer version will better cover the technicalities, and will give a better rationale for the terminology. I'm working on What is not a page name where I'm explaining the term as a title that is more or less easy, in the software, to use for linking and editing.  I'm thinking about using the section heading MediaWiki somewhere, where we'll talk about the namespaces and the databases, oldid and permalink, and the URL generating functions like fullurl.  It's expanding. — CpiralCpiral 01:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC II

message: I've got a couple of queries about this article, and I would like to have comments from anyone interested.
First of all, lets define Fullpagename as whatever is rendered with the magic word .
Secondly, page name is defined in the article as "The page name is the title shown on the title line (the top line)."
Point 1: it says in the lead "So page name is equivalent to pagename only when the context is content,  but when the context could be any page in the database,  is equivalent to fullpagename, except for the historical revisions database, where fullpagename becomes equivalent to a permanent and unique oldid number." But when I check the Revision history for my sandbox, which has  embeded, I find that  still renders the same as before. Obviously the URL is different, as it contains oldid number, but   and the page name are still identical. So this seems to be wrong.
Point 2: It says above that " is equivalent to fullpagename, except for the historical revisions database". But this is not always the case. For example the article eBay will render the  as "Ebay", while the page name (same as the title shown on the title line) shows "ebay", due to the use of the  template. So this is not quite correct. --Mrjulesd (talk) 16:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Page name (with a space) versus fullpagename

message: I've requested a fix to  because that template generates a mandatory non-optional DISPLAYTITLE that breaks many pages. The DISPLAYTITLE cannot be set, it is autogenerated, making it inappropriate on some pages, it cannot be turned off either. -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 11:27, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: DISPLAYTITLE and [[template:Infobox ship begin]]

message: I added a shortcut WP:FPN to get reference the terminology.
But when I read it, it wasn't reference material, as I'd hoped,
and it had too many examples, as should be rather at Help:page name.
For example I should be able to write template documentation with instructions
: 
:and have it all linked to the references for those terms now with the new shortcut making it quicker:
:  — CpiralCpiral 23:51, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent rewrite of section 1 

message: Am I right in thinking that the article COM LAG (2plus2isfive), which is about an EP, should have "Com Lag" written in lowercase in accordance with MOS:ALLCAPS? If so, how can I change the casing in the article title? I've looked around, maybe I've missed something, but I can't find the best way of doing this. Popcornduff (talk) 06:22, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  COM LAG (2plus2isfive) 

message: cities skylines natural disasters Geting mad (talk) 21:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 22:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2018 

message: It says the "DISPLAYTITLE" magic word will change the title displayed above the Wikipedia page. I tried it on my Wikipedia talk page but it did not work. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Premiere (talk • contribs) 
: There is a very limited range of display changes which is permitted, see Template:DISPLAYTITLE. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia DISPLAYTITLE 

message: On WP:Page name it says:
* A pagename cannot contain % followed by 2 hexadecimal digits, unless for a percent-encoded character, although there are exceptions.
Like what exceptions? Can I have an example please? Gioguch (talk) 21:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Have removed, appears to have been incorrect. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exceptions to % rule 

message: On WP:Page name, it says:
* A pagename cannot begin with a lowercase letter in any alphabet except for the German letter ß.
It also states at the bottom that this phenomenon is not true for all projects, like Wiktionary, however I noticed something a bit odd. With the exception of DISPLAYTITLE, no page can begin with a lowercase letter. So iPad is technically IPad, it just has a lowercase i because of DISPLAYTITLE. However, if this is true for all Wikipedias, why is it not true for Min Nan Wikipedia? Sorry if this may not be the best place to ask this, but if you go to :zh-min-nan:File:Example.jpg, on the top of the URL, it says https://zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org/wiki/tóng-àn:Example.jpg, with a lowercase t. However, the prefix is case-insensitive, but the default is written with a lowercase t. This is confusing, because it contradicts WP:Page name. Is this a bug or is it because that is the grammar of the language? Gioguch (talk) 19:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "tóng-àn" is the namespace, just like "File" is here. For purposes of that rule, the namespace doesn't count as part of the name, so it's the "E" in "Example" that's required to be uppercase. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:51, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  But still, it's rare to see a title begin with a lowercase letter on any Wikipedia. I mean, they could totally make the namespace on English Wikipedia "file." So is "tóng-àn" just a grammatical thing? Or is it an error or something? Gioguch (talk) 20:13, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure. You'd probably have to ask someone who's familiar with that language. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lowercase first letter? 

message: Edit.
If you revert, please discuss, per WP:BRD.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 21:16, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated DISPLAYTITLE to account for Draft: articles 

message: Mention the hassle caused by e.g.,
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolia%E2%80%93Taiwan_relations
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Taiwan_relations
when a simple ASCII dash would have done fine.
Jidanni (talk) 00:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention dash recommendations 

message: I think this page could mention if titles in all caps are allowed or not; this is not uncommon for pages titled after an acronym. fgnievinski (talk) 19:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  All caps allowed?