Talk:Day of Valor

message: Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use English words says: "Convention: Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly recognized by readers than the English form." -- Boracay Bill (talk) 04:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know... my desk calendar, which generally lists holidays in English, has April 9 labeled as "Araw ng Kagitingan". The Inquirer, an English-language newspaper, also refers to it as Araw ng Kagitingan. I'd say "Araw ng Kagitingan", like Cinco de Mayo is more commonly recognized by readers than it's English translation. TheCoffee (talk) 20:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that the PDI is an English-language newspaper published in Manila; where was your desk calendar made? Trust me — an overwhelming majority of non-Tagalog-speaking English-speakers will not recognize "Araw ng Kagitingan". Repeating my quote from Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use English words (an official English Wikipedia policy): "Convention: Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly recognized by readers than the English form."-- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

text: How about moving it to "Bataan and Corregidor Day" (the English-language name used in RA9492, though "Bataan" is spelled therein as "Bataaan") instead? -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lacking a response, strike that suggestion. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Did the move. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:44, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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message: The "History" section of this article is only a history of the surrender of Bataan and (much more) the "Death March".  This is more of a background item, and the history of the holiday itself (when instituted?  how?) is entirely missing.--Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 16:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved to Day of Valor. Rough consensus to accept "Day of Valor" as a better choice than the current title or "Araw ng Kagitingan". (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 12:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Bataan Day → ? – Based on this Google Ngram graph, "Bataan Day" was indeed this holiday's common name (especially in the 1950s, when most sources used it solely to refer to the holiday) and official name from the 1960s to the late 1980s, but the name has since declined in favour of "Araw ng Kagitingan", a Filipino-language name introduced in 1987 by Executive Order No. 203. Another name came out of existence somewhere, "Day of Valor". I don't know if this was meant to be a literal translation of the Filipino name, but this one got stuck too. The only catch here is that, it's usually not used by itself (even in English sources). So, I don't know if moving this article to that name would be a good idea or not. "Day of Valor" would be a good compromise, but there's no denying the fact that "Araw ng Kagitingan" is more common than it. Let me see what you think. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 15:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Tambayan Philippines has been notified of this discussion. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 15:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Holidays has been notified of this discussion. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 15:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

text: As far as EO203 is concerned, I note that the holiday is designated there as Araw ng Kagitingan (Bataan and Corregidor Day).. Also, FWIW, WP:OT (an explanatory supplement to the WP:AT policy page) should be considered. Beyond knee-jerk, I'm not sure. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Most reliable sources use "Day of Valor" or "Araw ng Kagitingan". Occasionally "(Day of Valor)" and "also known as Day of Valor" would be included for clarification. Most reliable resources when searching "Bataan Day" in Google discusses the historical context of the holiday since it was indeed initially known as "Bataan Day as per Republic Act 3022 which was later changed to Araw ng Kagitingan (Day of Valor) as per Executive Order 203". Hariboneagle927 (talk) 05:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Modifying my stance a bit. Still Support but now leaning toward Day of Valor since I think there is no clear preference between Araw ng Kagitingan and Day of Valor in English-language sources.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 05:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I might be willing to go along with "Day of Valor" as a compromise. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

text:  Re TIDES, the word "Bataan", calling to mind the Battle of Bataan, has strong cultural ties in the U.S.; somewhat like "Omaha Beach", which is an  long beach below Vierville-sur-Mer, between Port-en-Bessin and the Vire River in Normandy in France (). I'm American; I was born during WW-II and what first-hand memories I have of that time are fragmentary. I grew up in the U.S. during years when the names Bataan and Corregidor evoked vague thoughts that they represented something to be honored (as did a mention of Omaha Beach). The word Bataan still has something of that connection for me. There is a 2015 PDI article titled Valor and memory musing about this here. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What happened in April 9, 1941 in Bataan is more culturally significant in the Philippines by several orders of magnitude, considering 1) it happened in the Philippines, and more importantly 2) more Filipinos participated and died than any other nationality combined (compare to Omaha Beach). The Philippines is the only country in the world with a national holiday evoking the memories of what happened in April 9, 1941. They even named a basketball team (has since been renamed) after what happened. The phrase "Wag isuko ang Bataan" (Don't surrender Bataan) entered national consciousness as something you say when something is dire. But just as several military-related holidays, it became generalized through the years (Veterans Day/Remembrance Day becoming a catch all holiday for veterans instead of just the events of World War I, for example)... and for some reason evoking the qualities of "Valor". Howard the Duck (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 31 January 2022