Template talk:Infobox football club season

message: Can you please add spacing on the left-hand side to avoid the page text running into the template? A margin-left attribute should fix it. Fedgin | Talk 15:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spacing

message: What happened to the club logo appearing in the infobox? Surely this should have been discussed before the change...?  glennb28  t/c  17:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is it. --Angelo 18:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: Is the average attendance intended to be for every home league game, or every home game in every competition? – PeeJay 21:21, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just league makes more sense. I'll update the docs. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we assume that highest and lowest attendances are also for league competitions only? (Excluding play-offs?) In the season article I am working on, the highest attendance was in the FA Cup and the lowest attendance was in the League Cup. --Jameboy (talk) 17:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes. Cups should have their own season articles. As far as this template is concerned cup matches don't exist. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, should a note be added to this infobox to explain that to the reader (as per the stats in :Template:Infobox Football biography, which has that "...domestic league only" caveat)? Otherwise I guess I could achieve the same with a footnote or two in the article itself. --Jameboy (talk) 12:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd rather hoped it would be self-evident; certainly it would seem obvious to me that cup games didn't factor into league stats, because cups and leagues are mostly entirely separate competitions. Mind starting a thread on WT:FOOTY about it, to see if we can get consensus from the project? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Average attendance 

message: Would it be possible to combine the "League" and "Final league position" lines? It looks odd having them on separate lines when the cup competitions are on one line. – PeeJay 20:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This field isn't being displayed in the infobox for some reason. - Dudesleeper talk 22:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be working in all the infoboxes I've looked at. Can you show me an example of where you've seen it not working? – PeeJay 23:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Oh, I see your issue now. OK, the "league" parameter won't show unless there is data in the "league_result" field. – PeeJay 23:04, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  League 

message: What would people think of adding a kit box to this infobox similar to the one in the  template? It might be interesting to see how teams' kits changed over the years. – PeeJay 15:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely, agree 100%. I'd tried a way of modelling Dundee United's strips within a 1990s review but feel it's messy - this option would allow me to fix it. Heightwatcher (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can some-one point me to where I can find an explanation of how to "draw" the kits. I would like to add these to the early Southampton season articles (red & white quarters or red & white halves) but I have no idea how to do so.  Cheers and thanks in advance.    Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think these pages might be what you are looking for:   Juwe (talk) 09:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kit graphics 

message: Hi, don't basically nothing about making infoboxes myself, so asking for help here. Just wondering if someone could make a similar infobox to this for Gaelic games team seasons. Think it would basically be a copy of this infobox, except:
#It is not necessary to have any of the attendance fields.
#Instead of saying "Top goalscorer", could it simply read "Top scorer".
#In the break down of top scorer could it be "Championship", instead of "League".
#Its only necessary to have two kits, instead of the three in this infobox.
Would appreciate if someone with the know how would make this template. And could you call it Template:Infobox GAA team season. Thanks.
Derry Boi (talk) 01:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:Infobox GAA team season. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Really appreciate it thanks. One small thing I forgot to mention, where the competitions are, instead of having the order Championship, then cup1, cup2, etc... would it be possible to have the cups show first, then a league field, then championship1 and championship2 if you have the time. Thanks. Derry Boi (talk) 11:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help making similar infobox 

message: It just occurred to me, that it would make sense to add a field for the captain. As the formal leader of the team I would like to add him, where I use the template. Has this occurred to somebody else? Was captain conciously left out? OdinFK (talk) 15:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain 

message: Has anybody considered a parameter for the club's record that season? I mean the infobox already has the league table ranking, so why not include the club's record also? Ksy92003 (talk) 02:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record 

message: Is it possible to add a parameter for the stadium used by the club? This would be useful for articles covering former seasons.   Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of any response/comment, I have taken the liberty of adding this in.  I hope I've not caused any problems.    Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:07, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think it would be possible to make it so that we can have the stadium's capacity in parentheses after the name of the stadium? It might lend some extra significance to the highest, lowest and average attendances. – PeeJay 21:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stadium 

message: I want to add an optional "state league topscorer" section. 
If anyone has seen already, I have carefully reconstructed the infobox so only minor modifications need to be done to individual seasons (specifically, erasing the "breaks" that used to be needed because the infobox was ridiculously short). On the top scorers section, "league scorer" needs to be changed to "national league scorer" since not every national league has the phrase "league" on it. It has to be remember that this infobox is anglocentric, focusing on England, and assumes that everyone knows what "league" refers to (which is not the case).
Also, that doubles for helping the "state league topscorer" section to become viable. As I have mentioned, Brazilian clubs participate in two leagues (a state and a national league). That will help tell the difference between the two. As others have seen, I added a note stating that the section is only to be used for Brazilian football as it is radically different from most of the world. Strawberry on Vanilla (talk) 01:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind on that. I have made it so the topscorer section would refer specifically to the competition the player is topscorer of. Now, it is possible to place topscorers for all competitions the club has participated on. Just align, say, "cup2" to "cup2 topscorer". Strawberry on Vanilla (talk) 01:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  State League 

message: An editor recently added space for a fourth kit to this infobox, but I reverted because I think it would make the infobox too wide; it's already pretty wide with three kits! Furthermore, how many teams actually have four kits, and is it even worth showing the ones that do? I had actually pondered this idea myself a couple of days ago in order to show Manchester United's European kit in their 1997-98 to 2000-01 season articles, but I came to the same conclusion as above. Anyone else got any opinions? – PeeJay 12:26, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No need at all for so many kit options.  Two would be enough for me, but there you go.  Your reversion was, in my opinion, correct.  The Rambling Man (talk) 15:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four kits? 

message: The request isn't so much a request to change the field but the documentation of the field to reflect current use, mid-season. Most often the field is used to reflect the club's current place in the league. The documentation indicates that it is "The final result achieved in the season.". I would like to amend it to allow for the current value during the season itself. This was briefly discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football‎ and the consensus seems to be "go with the flow". Are there any objections here? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections from me. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:20, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Review requested. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to the result field 

message: ^As above.
I would like to make a Danish season article about a football club from Denmark.
The case is, that I will create and write it in Danish. When it comes to the reason, it is that I do not find it significant for en-wikipedia, since they do not compete in Europa League or Champions League.
So my 'concern', or, perhaps rather 'challenge', is that; how can I make an easy and practical solution on fx "Template:Infobox football club season", in my national language?
I have only contributed for like a few months now, so I would appreciate the assistance very much.
I reckon that wikipedians who also uses their native language, to expand their national wikipedia-version, would find this handy.
We are about 5.5 million people in my country, and I try to make the Danish Wikipedia better, because people tend to, for obvious and natural reasons, use the english wikipedia per automatic.
So this is part of my 'mission' to make Danish Wikipedia better ind both quantity and quality.
Sine Cera,
-Infobesity (talk) 13:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You would copy the existing template to the Danish space. Insert appropriate Danish terms for the English ones. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:06, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  An 'international' request - how to convert and use the template in another language? 

message: I am considering adding a parameter in the template for freely available (though not non-free ones) club crests used in the season to be placed. Comments welcome - if no objections are raised in the near future I shall proceed. Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 00:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should free logos be allowed but not non-free ones? I understand the copyright situation behind it, but this move would create a massive inconsistency between clubs with free logos and those with non-free logos. I would oppose any change of this nature. – PeeJay 00:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  What freely available crests are there? It's my understanding that they're all copyrighted under US law. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The logos in this category and its subcategories, for starters. Also, this. For seasons where one is available, I don't see why we shouldn't use them. It is of course unfortunate that copyrighted logos can't be used in the same way, and that is unlikely to change - I accept that (although it is perhaps interesting to compare our approach with that of the German Wikipedia. They use club crests in league articles to show results over a season and in FA Cup articles to show finalist's badges). Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 13:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What would the club crests actually bring to those articles? The club logo is really only necessary on the club's main article and perhaps articles about associated teams (c.f. Manchester United F.C. and Manchester United F.C. Reserves and Academy), but not on every season article. – PeeJay 15:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In the same way that the purpose of non-free logos can be to "assure the readers that they have reached the right articles" (default text loaded when "Infobox" is chosen for the "Use" field), a historical logo can assure a reader that they have reached the right team and the right season. Even though WP:NFCC is unlikely to allow that use for non-free images, the same restrictions do not apply to freely available ones. Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 16:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the club's name and the season in the article title isn't enough to assure readers that they have reached the right club and the right season? – PeeJay 16:48, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You could make exactly the same point about club logos on the club articles. If the logos are freely available, I don't see why they shouldn't be used on an article where they'd be relevant. Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 19:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club crest 

message: Chelsea F.C. has participated in 8 competitions (7 cups in addition to the domestic league) in the 2012–13 season. As the number of cups in the template is limited to 6, all of them are not displayed in 2012–13 Chelsea F.C. season article. So, it would be better to increment the cup limit to 7 or even 8. --Jairodz (talk) 05:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I'll see about fixing that. – PeeJay 14:13, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of cups 

message: Hi, I am a keen editor of football club season articles, but I'd like to make a request. Is there any possibility that a width attribute could be added to the infobox, so that we can define its width in order to accommodate contents? One of the main articles I maintain at the moment is squashing things together, e.g. putting the manager's name on two lines and messing up my formatting with regard to attendance facts (I have tried to put [attendance] v [team] (break) [date, small] so it is consistent). Any help would be much appreciated, thanks! Andre666 (talk) 13:06, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: just wrap the line inside a  template.  if you need help, provide an example.  the problem with setting the width explicitly is that you will get differing results on different browsers. Frietjes (talk) 22:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, you're a star, that's just what I was after! #beeneditingwikipediaforfiveyearsbutstillsomehowanoob Andre666 (talk) 23:23, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can a width attribute be added to the infobox? 

message: Hi fellow editors. I've just noticed that the wording of the average attendance attribute is 'Average home league attendance', rather than just 'Average home attendance'. Is there any way this could be changed back? I understand the logic behind this, but if it's left open then it gives editors the choice to define only league or both, marking them as such; this is also consistent with the top scorers and highest/lowest attendance sections. This is extremely common from what I've seen in my experience editing football season articles. Thanks. Andre666 (talk) 18:23, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It was discussed at WP:Footy and the overwhelming consensus was for the wording to be Average home league attendance. This was because it is meant as a box for the average home league attendance based on figures from  and similar sites. Just having Average home attendance was an ambiguous title, it led to some pages having an average of all competitive home games and others just having an average of home league games (The intended format, see parameters section at: Template:Infobox football club season). Cheers, VanguardScot 20:20, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's fine, but the only problem I have is that there is no way to define that you want to use both without it not making sense, i.e. I can put "League: XX,XXXOverall: XX,XXX" but that doesn't make sense when the attribute is named this way. Is there any way to add an alternative for those of us who want to do an overall attendance as well? Andre666 (talk) 20:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:Footy is against having too many stats in the infobox, see WP:STATS. If you want more information in the infobox than there is already consensus for I suggest taking it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football and getting other football editors consensus to add more stats. The current consensus for attendance stats in the infobox are for Highest home attendance (All competitions), Lowest home attendance (All competitions) and Average attendance (Home league matches only). Cheers, VanguardScot 20:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording of average attendance attribute 

message: Please change the following to match 
*Home  to 
*Away  to 
*Third  to 
Thanks, S.A. Julio (talk) 05:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done -- /Alex/21 13:13, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 10 March 2019 

message: :: The third kit part above is wrong. It shall be like the following:
*
and , why did you do this? The away and third kits were differentiated for a reason. Explain your reason here.
And also can you make the average attendance to count itself  like in Template:Infobox international football competition?
– Flix11 (talk) 07:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly unintended, copied the wrong bit of code. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:57, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Get this sorted please. – PeeJay 22:06, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  (FWIW, pings added after the initial post do not work, so I never received the ping, so I was not aware that it needed fixing. Perhaps your post could be a bit more polite next time, PeeJay2K3.) -- /Alex/21 23:01, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Template-protected edit request on 18 March 2019

message: Can you change the order of league scorer and season scorer. It makes more sense and more correct for the highest amount to be first and the lower amount to be underneath that. Govvy (talk) 10:13, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Most infobox content only concerns itself with league, so why wouldn't we just remove "overall"? Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:20, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we could probably just leave it as it is. Both pieces of information are within a line of each other, so their order is pretty irrelevant. – PeeJay 08:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  top scorers 

message: Can someone add one more league 3 to the info box? I have User:Govvy/1897–98 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season in my info box, and that season Tottenham are recorded as playing in three leagues in those early seasons, I wanted to add that to the info box. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 17:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked ages ago to add league3 and league 3 result to the info box, it hasn't been done, can no one add this?? Govvy (talk) 14:19, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  {league3} parameter 

message: To comply with ENGVAR, I'm requesting that the following line of code be changed so that the autogenerated short description does not use "football" in American articles. Some additional work might need to be done to accommodate the other forms of English that use British-like spelling but also "soccer" as their term for the sport.
Current: 
Proposed:  SounderBruce 23:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 26 March 2023 

message: I've boldly removed the wording  from the documentation of . Can't find any reasoning for why it was there, can't think of any, apart from saving writing or avoiding what might look like unnecessary duplication of content, and it certainly isn't widely followed. There are six pages in :Category:2021–22 Premier League by team whose top scorer has all his goals in league competition (Aston Villa, Burnley, Leeds United, Newcastle United, Norwich City and Watford) and all six use both  and . As do the featured articles 1993–94 Gillingham F.C. season and 2000–01 Gillingham F.C. season. In :Category:2022–23 EFL Championship by team, 10 of the 11 relevant pages use both parameters, and so did the 11th until somebody changed it yesterday and made me aware of the issue.
If the reader's used to seeing two top scorer rows marked League and All, it's not obvious that a single row means the top scorer didn't score any cup goals so League and All are the same. They might think it meant All and we don't know League (source didn't split goals by competition?), or it meant League and we don't know All (no source for cups?)not all notable club/seasons are as easily sourceable in detail as recent big-league seasons. It could just mean nobody's got round to filling All in yet, as at 1985–86 Chelsea F.C. season.
Whatever, we shouldn't expect our readers to have to guess what a single row means. There's a difference between  being absent because it's the same as another parameter, and it being absent because Wikipedia doesn't know what it is, and we need to let the reader see the difference. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of wording from season topscorer documentation