Talk:François Viète

message: François Viète seems to be the most common spelling, according to Google. Iorsh 21:10, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot see any great significance or notability in it. It is an example of a complicated looking algebraic problem which can be solved relatively straightforwardly if you think of the right trick. If there is anything more significant about it than that I will be pleased if someone will indicate what it is, but I can't see it. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 03:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Moved the RFC template into the document section that it specified. DMcMPO11AAUK/Talk/Contribs 01:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Oh dear, the prose is awful. I thought it had been translated from the French or something. Is it really from Britannica! "Vieta had neither much time, nor students able to brilliantly illustrate his method." - I don't know what either half of this is trying to say. A lot of it is vague cliché, reads like a magazine article, i.e. like someone who didn't know what they were talking about, so waffled in smooth-sounding nothingisms. (Well, I guess it is marginally more useful than the all-too-common other extreme, the article understandable only by mathematicians.) 110.20.168.169 (talk) 03:10, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that parts of the text are badly garbled. The likely cause is attempts at translation by people who either do not properly understand what a translation is supposed to be, or lack understanding of one or other of the two languages involved. Terry0051 (talk) 01:06, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Houston, we have a problem... 

message: It is quite normal for articles to begin with the 1911 Britannica text where it is available and to develop from there. The article is tagged appropriately. If you have enough materials (i.e. reliable sources to write the article from scratch, then why not Be Bold and go ahead. Otherwise, improve the article piecemeal. You could also tag it for an expert in a particular subject or ask for help at one of the Wikiprojects that the article has been added to. Itsmejudith 07:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to RfC 

message: Currently, there are two months shown: one on the first line "(1540 - February 13, 1603)", the other under his picture "Died 	December, 1603
Paris, France"
Which of the two was it? (20-March-09)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.73.127.80 (talk) 20:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  When Did Viète Die? 

message: Vieta's death : we have 23 februaly or 26 (in de thou and ritter). I prefer de Thou. (26 is probably the day when he was laid in earht...)
13 is wrong...
i have translated my 'owm' page of WP fr in english. you can see it here : User:Jean_de_Parthenay/Viete2/wikipedia
As my english is not native, i am scattered  with the idea to publish it. if you are not agree, say it ! If you want to make change, do it ! If you don't says any thing, i shall publish it in a week. Thanks.
And please, after that, it will be a first class article, with great importance ! isn't he ?Jean de Parthenay (talk) 06:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I shall answer 

message: i am not agree with the last changes  : here is better than here<reference/> in bibliographie. Because, if you forget the reference/, as robot does, you are wrong, and if you put it, tou have a second list of refrencies, which is very ugly. so, i "ll remove theses last changes.... And I hope that the robot won't do it again. I try to find new sources for the point in debate and I come back after a while.Jean de Parthenay (talk) 20:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  problems 

message: François Viète and Reform, by Jean Dhombres.
from here
We have no profession of faith of protestantism (...) François Viète was baptized catholic  because his family was still catholic in 1540. But his father and other relatives of Viète adopted Protestantism. He probably meet followers of Calvin during his studies at Poitiers... How to imagine that Antoinette d'Aubeterre invited him to stay at Parc Soubise if he hadn't at least some protestant leanings. Indeed, the story that Viète wrote about Lyon where  Jean V de Parthenay illustrated his armies against the catholic league of France was incorporated without any doubt by Theodore de Beze his in ecclesiastical history of Reformed Churches. His pupil at Parc Soubise, Catherine de Parthenay, was an ardent protestant whose grandmother, Michelle de Saubonne had protected the first calvinists in Bas-Poitou. Françoise de Rohan, Lady of the Garnache, sister of the second husband of Catherine, opened her house to Viète in Beauvoir-sur-Mer because, apparently, he could not stay at the castle of Blain, owned by Catherine, as this castle was depending of the catholic Parliament of  (...) On another side, on 6 April 1574, Viète had read a solemn profession of catholic faith for his installation in the Parliament of Rennes. This is the only certificate. Did he lie ? (...) Therefore, historians "protestants" enroled him. Otherwise, we can't talk about him of atheism  : Lucien Febvre well explained the anachronism of the term for the seventeenth century - Can we talk of an indifference in religious matters ? In a first movement, he refused the presence of a priest at his deathbed. But this indifference was  conveniant for the historians of the last century... At least, nothing in the  mathematical works of Viète deals with religious matters, and perhaps this rupture is the way he choosed to enter in the history.
I don't know if my translation is ok. If it seems good, you can insert it in the chapyer 'convictions" because the lonely refence is in french.
:: The translation has problems. But any attempt to improve it faces the difficulty that the source, as given, is a bare hyperlink, which is now dead, with no sign left about what it tried to refer to. Does anyone know what source was used? Terry0051 (talk) 01:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  translation of Jean Dhombres 

message: I've removed the three unnecessary adjectives in the opening section. Those descriptions do not belong in a neutral biography. I am a fan of Vieta and I greatly respect his work, however I don't think it is necessary to say that he was "honest, faithful, and competent". Dragoneye776 (talk) 20:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Flags 

message: In 1564, Vieta entered the service of Antoinette d’Aubeterre, Lady Soubise, wife of Jean V de Parthenay-Soubise... and accompanied him to Lyon to collect documents about his heroic defence of that city...
What kind of documents? Who wrote these documents? What did Jean need them for?
Top.Squark (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Documents about the way Soubise ruled Lyon in 1563. Vieta wanted to prove Soubise had no responsability in the murder of de Guise... In purpose to prove it, Vieta made a very clever recension of all the good actions of Soubise at Lyon. Hencefore,  he wanted to collect the official documents in Lyon before they fall down in the hands of the Duke Jacques de Nemour (Catholic league). Sorry for my english. Jean de Parthenay (talk) 20:13, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroic defense documents? 

message: Henry IV... charged him [Vieta] to end the revolt of the Notaries, whom the King had ordered to pay back their fees
Why did Henry order them to pay back their fees? How did he expect Vieta to end the revolt? Did Vieta succeed?
Top.Squark (talk) 15:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: woaou ! See the french Wp... I'have not translate all the details : The supervisor was the royal secretary "Audoin de Montherbu". Viète worked as others state's secratary, nor good nor worse : In a first time the notaries refused to pay, in a second time, their received some garanties and payed. 
Gold was necessary to pay "swiss wariors" who helped Henri IV against "La ligue". Jean de Parthenay (talk) 18:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revolt of the Notaries 

message: The following quote of Vieta appears in the article:
...so spoiled and defiled by the barbari ans...
Is this a typo? Was "barbarians" intended?
Top.Squark (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Barbarians, indeed. In Viète's mind, it was probably all his predecessors, abacists and calculators, like Cardan. Perhaps Clavius and others contemporaries ? Not arabians, or indians, i think. All the European mathematicians writing algebra with numbers, and without symbols ... If you have any question, ask me on my french Discussion page, please. Jean de Parthenay (talk) 18:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Vieta was smart most of time... But, he was very cruel with Scaliger, Clavius, and all the mathematicians he suspected to be wrong or "weak" (in a mathematical way). Jean de Parthenay (talk) 20:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barbari ans? 

message: In 1576, Henri, duc de Rohan took him under his special protection, recommending him in 1580 as "maître des requêtes". In 1579, Vieta printed his canonem mathematicum (Metayer publisher). A year later, he was appointed maître des requêtes to the parliament of Paris, committed to serving the king. That same year, his success in the trial between the Duke of Nemours and Françoise de Rohan, to the benefit of the latter, earned him the resentment of the tenacious Catholic League.
According to the link Henri was not born until 1579 Sceptic1954 (talk) 17:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Error

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi. The current version has the name Vieta 63 times, or close to that, a search shows 77 occurences of 'Vieta', removing 14 of 'Vietae', we get 63. I have not checked if there is a few more to remove from the count. The name Viète appears 44 times. Viète is more common in the first section, Vieta is more common on the second, but it is hardly a rule, only a rough tendency. Question: should it be normalized? If so, how? - Nabla (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any good purpose to this variation, which appears haphazard and sometimes happens within the same sentence. I would be in favor of changing all occurrences to Viète to match the article title, except for (1) the parenthetical Latin version of his name in the lead, (2) the Latin versions of his name in the titles of his works, and (3) occurrences of his name in reference and link titles and direct quotes. Unfortunately, I think that means that someone should go through them by hand, as there are too many exceptions for a global search-and-replace to work well. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:11, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree—if more than three years later—with David Eppstein. The seemingly random bouncing back and forth between the name's two versions can only be expected to baffle those readers who are blissfully unaware (or innocently forgetful) of the longtime use of Latin in scholarly writing.—PaulTanenbaum (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vieta vs. Viète 

message: There is a whole section in this article entitled "New Notation", but no explanation of what it is, or what it looked like, how it differed from the old notation, or what new concepts were introduced.   This is a glaring omission.   It would be much improved if someone with the appropriate knowledge & sources could add the missing information.   Thanks contributors.  FreeFlow99 (talk) 13:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what is the New Notation?  And what was it like before? 

message: The article discusses the "German school of Coss" but gives no citation. Is this personal research? And coss needs disambiguation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.110.20 (talk) 04:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely it refers to the followers of Christoph Rudolff and his book on arithmetic, Behend und hübsch Rechnung durch die kunstreichen regeln Algebre so gemeinicklich die Coss genent werden, called for short Die Coss. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  German school of Coss 

message: Can someone rewrite this whole section to make it comprehensible even to somewhat dense readers like myself?
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"Accused " of what? Never read which works? I do not understand what "view of mathematics for which the study shall stress the self-evidence of the results that Descartes implemented translating the symbolic algebra in geometric reasoning" means. Who is the "surveyor"? Which book are we talking about?
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Why is it a caricature and who says it's shameless? Why is caricature contrasted to "understands"? (Presumably most caricatures are based on some understanding.) 
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What does "... not shown the extent of the direct influence" mean here, specifically? Are current researchers just incompetent? Is the true influence unknowable? What are we trying to say here? Does Descartes mention reading these other books / can we reliably infer he read them? 
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"Won" seems like a weird verb here. What does the 17th century have to do with the rest? Can we just say "Viète" instead of "Parthenay's mathematician"? What does it mean to introduce "literal calculation", and what is an "axiomatic for algebra"?
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This whole sentence seems extremely complicated, confusing, and overqualified. Can we cut like half of it, or split it in 3? –jacobolus (t) 16:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  confusing section about Descartes