Talk:Polacanthus

message: Be niec to get a new one, didn't want this one in the taxobox Cas Liber 21:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: I looked through the second edition of The Dinosauria and couldn't find any support for the first two referrences:
"Genus authority given as Huxley, 1867 in some sources, such as the second edition of The Dinosauria."
"Species authority given as Hulke, 1881 in some sources, such as the second edition of The Dinosauria."
The 1881 description by Hulke attributes the suggestion of both the origin of the genus and species to a comment by Owen:
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/epdf/10.1098/rstl.1881.0015
"The  remains  of Polacanthus were  found  by  Mr.  Fox  in  1865  in  a  bed  of  blue  shaly clay,  which  occurs  near the middle  of  the  cliff,  a  short  distance  east  of  Barne’s  Chine. The  bed  is  easily recognisable  by  the  large  quantities  of  lignite  which  it  contains.
Professor  R. Owen, to  whom  Mr.  Fox  showed  some  of  these  fossils  soon  after their discovery,  suggested  for the  animal indicated  by  them  the  name Polacanthus—many- spined—P. Foxii,  and  this  name  Mr.  Fox  adopted  in  an  account  of  his  discovery read by him at  the  next meeting  of the British Association.    A brief notice  of the discovery with  a rude  woodcut  also  appeared  about  the  same  time  in  the  “ Illustrated  London News.”   Both  these  communications  have  only  the  value  of  preliminary  notices  by persons without  anatomical  training,  and  no  description  of  the  fossils  sufficient for the use  of  palaeontologists  has yet  appeared.
Mr.  Fox’s  MS., read at the  meeting  of the British Association, cannot  now  be  found, and  his  paper  does  not  appear in the  “Reports.”    An  abstract  which  I  made  of  it in 1869  gives the following  list  of  the  parts  he  believed  he  had  secured..."
We should probably either attribute both the genus and species to Owen in 1865 or alternatively both the genus and species to Hulke 1881. I updated the second reference to this reference as it is more useful than a reference to a 1000+ page book without a page reference.
Any thoughts on the proper date for the species and/or genus name? Or even better a page number in The Dinosauria where the genus authority is given as Huxley 1867? DinoGarret (talk) 21:43, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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