Talk:Sprechgesang

message: Doesn't this article confuse by mentioning the same thing twice in two different ways? I mean the x heads.
:Yup. It's messy, especially since the first mention seems to suggest Schoenberg used that notation, whereas the second implies that it was just something other composers used. The more misleading of the two mentions should be deleted, but I don't know which one that is. --Oolong 10:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Schoenberg's sprechstimme notation was different at different points in his career. Pierrot Lunaire looks as pictured with Xes on the stems. Moses und Aron uses X heads. The Ode to Napolean Bonaparte uses a different notation for it which I think is much more sensible. Instead of having a five line staff, he used one line, and no clef (thus eliminating pitch indication), and then simply put the regular noteheads above, below, or on the line to indicate relative inflection. (I think there were also sometimes curved strokes leading from the noteheads to indicate falling or rising pitch, but I don't have the score on hand to verify). - Rainwarrior 15:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: The article uses the terms Sprechgesang and Sprechstimme as synonymous which is not correct: the term used by Schoenberg was Sprechstimme while "Sprechgesang" is a word used much earlier by Richard  Wagner to characterize the vocal line in his operas. --Georgius 12:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that's interesting. I wasn't aware of the difference, myself. However, simply removing the word "sprechgesang" from the page doesn't really clarify things. After looking it up, I've reorganized and rewritten the article a bit. Perhaps you could add some of your own information. Do you have a source or something relating to Wagner maybe? What about speaking parts like the Devil in Weber's Der Freischutz, or there is even some in Mozart's Die Entführung aus dem Serail. Isn't that more like "sprechstimme"? - Rainwarrior 19:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sprechgesang vs Sprechstimme 

message: It might be interesting for you, that sprechgesang  is also synonym for rap in german.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.53.210.4 (talk) 16:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Says who? -- megA (talk) 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Says someone who shares my opinion ... read my comment below. -- C. Deelmann (talk) 10:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Might be interesting 

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message: Sprechgesang is also used by some German hip-hop groups (for example Die Fantastischen Vier, Fettes Brot) to describe their style of German hip-hop. That style could be described as rather independent from American hip-hop, often very inventive and/or crossover, either humorous or serious, but never Gangsta rap or cliché, the lyrics rarely deal with violence. Fler,  Sido, and  Bushido would never describe their work as Sprechgesang. -- C. Deelmann (talk) 18:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In my personal experience with Hip-Hop or Rap I would say that it employs a certain rhythm and usually a certain tonality that would compliment the backing tracks and is therefore much different than sprechstimme.  This is not to say that there may not be an exception (which might very well be eligible for the "Uses" section) but you might want to listen to your German hip-hop and compare it to Shoenberg's "A Survivor from Warsaw", because from what I've heard, they're completely different than sprechstimme. -- Ngoah89 (talk) 01:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Late thanks for clarifying. -- megA (talk) 15:10, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sprechgesang in contemporary music 

message: Are there any musicology (or lexicology) sources which discuss how usage of the words sprechgresang and sprechstimme have evolved? The word sprechstimme crops up from time to time in mainstream music articles (about pop, rock, blues, etc). It's usage there seems to be more general (and perhaps incorrect) than the stricter historical sense described here. I'm not a musicologist, but merely notice that the term is used in a broader sense than this article covers. Some references:
  * The Ways in Which White People Talk Over Music (http://www.theawl.com/2014/08/the-ways-in-which-white-people-talk-over-music)
  * Preview: The B-52s/House of Blues (http://music.newcity.com/2009/08/18/preview-the-b-52shouse-of-blues/ )
  * Fabulous fan video for William Shatner's cover of Pulp's "Common People (http://boingboing.net/2015/07/23/fabulous-fan-video-for-william.html)
Hopscotch23 (talk) 22:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contemporary use of the term(s) in English 

message: Before I delete this from the uses section, does anyone else actually agree that this song is different from sprechstimme?  From what I heard (and I actually listened to the whole song) this is definitely singing & not talking.  It has a tonal & rhythmic quality to it that I would say is definitely singing.  The confusion I think could be due to the fact that this album deals a lot with mocking the bad singers of much of the rock & roll in the sixties, which causes the singing to be much more relaxed and out of tune than, say, a trained opera singer would be.  -- Ngoah89 (talk) 01:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trouble Every Day by Frank Zappa 

message: When I 13 my friends who knew about my weird vocal range dared me to sing think of me and my music teacher heard and asked me to join the choir cause she was surprised on my range so I did choir for 5 years after that and multiple solos my teacher asked me to do solo opera lessons like twice a week and I did that for 2 years but no one has been able to tell me what type I am and I ask them and they say my voice is unique 
But whenever I ask where is my range I am never given a direct answer 
Since my voice is so flexible I can sing  both parts of the phantom of the opera song solo without my voice breaking or cracking and music is my Passion I love singing or playing instruments but I won’t get better if I don’t understand my voice so any help 81.99.13.65 (talk) 11:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is my singing range called