Talk:Till Eulenspiegel

message: The version of Bote's story would have been on the brink of Middle Low German and New Low German. And it is less confusing to just write Low German.
translation from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Till_Eulenspiegel
Till Eulenspiegel (niederdeutsche Schreibweisen: Ulenspegel, Ulenspiegel) war ein Schalksnarr (Gaukler) und Titelheld eines mittelniederdeutschen Volksbuches --
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Till Eulenspiegel (low-german spelling : Ulenspegel, Ulenspiegel) was a Joker (Gaukler) and the title hero of a middle low german folkloric book.
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Till Eulenspiegel , IPA: [ˈtɪl ˈɔʏlənˌʃpiːgəl] Low Saxon version: Dyl Ulenspegel , was a Joker and Jester who originated in the Middle Saxon (middle lower german) oral tradition of folklore. Guss 11:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: The major cities closest to Moelln are Luebeck, Schwerin and Hamburg; Lueneburg is about as much of a major city as Schwerin (which isn't) and is over twice as far removed from Moelln as these. Check it out on a map, please. As it stands right now, one could just as well place Munich in Austria. And that would actually be closer, geographically.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.135.64 (talk) 02:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placing Moelln near Lueneburg is misleading at best. 

message: I don't know who translated the text but the translation is wrong! 
= Disen Stein sol niemand erhaben. Hie stat Ulenspegel begraben. Anno domini MCCCL jar” (Diesen Stein soll nieman erhaben, hie stat Ulenspiegel begraben). 
This would translate as "No one must lift this stone, Eulenspiegel stands buried here" 
Thats because of an occation that happened during the burial of Eulenspiegel. When the coffin has being lured into the grave one of the persons at the end of the coffing where the feet were sliped and fell and the coffing fell down and then was vertical in the grave not horizontal as intended. The spectators then said: "Just leave it this way. He was odd in live, now it's olny fair that he's odd in death too!" 
Source: Project Gutenberg, Eulenspiegel, 96. Historie  --Ragoro (talk) 19:35, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnote 4. 

message: "...And it is not the exception that communication gives rise to complications; rather, it is the rule. As a model of communication, Till Eulenspiegel is the inherent, unpredictable factor of complication that can throw any communication, whether with oneself or others, into disarray. These irritations, amounting to conflicts, have the potential of effecting mental paradigm changes and increases in the level of consciousness, and in the end, of leading to truth. Although craftsmen are featured as the principal victims of his pranks, neither the nobility nor the pope are exempt from being fooled by him.
In the end, Eulenspiegel's pranks are not so much about the exposure of human weaknesses and malice, as much as the animus he embodies — the implicit breaking up and sublimation of a given status of consciousness, by means of its negation. A common theme to these stories is that of turning the prevailing mental horizon upside down, and unseating it with a higher one.[citation needed]"
Verifiable or not, it's just not... good.  Find a source & edit, or just delete it, please.207.159.186.125 (talk) 19:02, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gigantic un-cited paragraph (and a half) that reads like lit-crit 

message: The article wrote: "General opinion now tends to regard Till Eulenspiegel as an entirely imaginary figure around whose name was gathered a cycle of tales popular in the Middle Ages," Ruth Michaelis-Jena observes.Ruth Michaelis-Jena, "Eulenspiegel and Münchhausen: Two German Folk Heroes", Folklore 97.1 (1986:101-108) p. 102. "Yet legendary figures need a definite background to make them memorable and Till needed the reality of the Braunschweig landscape and real towns to which he could travel Cologne, Rostock, Bremen and Marburg among them and whose burghers become the victims of his pranks."
Rudolf Steiner writes of the philosophical implications of the legend in extenso in a published 1918 lecture. As part of a stream of consciousness put in the mouth of the character Isis, he observes, for example: "What modern humanity should take as the true remedy for its abstract spirit is depicted on a tombstone in Moelln in the Lauenberg district... Scholars — and scholars are indeed very learned today and take everything with extraordinary gravity and significance — have naturally discovered — oh! they have discovered various things, for example, that Homer didn't really exist. The scholars have naturally also discovered that there was never a Till Eulenspiegel. One of the chief reasons why the actual bones of the actual Till Eulenspiegel (who was supposedly merely the representative of his age) are not supposed to lie beneath the tombstone in Lauenberg on which is depicted the owl with the looking glass, was that another tombstone had been found in Belgium upon which there was an owl with a mirror. Now these learned ones naturally have said — for it is logical, isn't it? (and if they are anything it is logical) — how does it go again in Shakespeare? For they are all honorable men, all, all, all! Logical they all are! — anyway, so they said: If the same sign is found in Lauenberg and in Belgium, then naturally Eulenspiegel never existed at all."Rudolf Steiner, "Lecture Three: 6 January 1918", published in Ancient Myths and the New Isis Mystery.
This runs pretty much against contomporary research which assumes that the stories started with a historical figure. See the German wikipedia entry for more. -- Zz (talk) 14:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: Substituted at 08:45, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: we have one red link to Thijl Ulenspiegel (context as a play). But it is hard to find evidence about a play. Maybe it is related Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks (tone poem)? Estopedist1 (talk) 16:13, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thijl Ulenspiegel as a play?