Talk:Ryanverse

message: Should the article contain a mention of the fact that the universe is extended in the Ghost Recon video games?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.79.182 (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Video games

message: As much as I love Clancy's works, this article has been deleted before.  Expect the same here.  // 3R1C 04:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Prior deletion

message: There is no reason to duplicate detailed plot summaries here. Each of these books has an article of its own, and having the summaries there is sufficient ("long live the wikilink!") Not a dog 03:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summaries 

message: *I would say yes, plot summaries are appropriate in this article, but they should be much shorter, in light of the fact that wiki-linked articles exist.  I would say, keep it to a small paragraph per entry, say 4-5 sentences or so.  Smee 03:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Let's get to work. I'm starting tonight (if I have time). --Bear and Dragon 11:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: Nailing down the time setting for 'Red Rabbit' seems very difficult.  Here are some problematic cultural references Clancy makes that just don't make sense.
Jack Ryan buys Starbucks stock at the IPO (which actually happened in 1992)
Orioles have 'rookie shortstop' (inferred to reference Cal Ripken Jr, whose rookie year was 1981) (Note: Clancy is off either way, but Ripken was the 1982 AL Rookie of the Year, which is usually considered his "rookie" season.  He did play in a handful of 1981 games, but technically, he wasn't a shortstop then; he played 3rd base until midway through the 1982 season Zlinedavid (talk) 18:46, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Rabbit Timeline irregularities 

message: I've edited the dates given for the events of the books after re-reading The Sum of All Fears; prior to doing so I'd been having problems reconciling all the events but now it seems logical, when you add it to facts from other books. To wit:
- Clear and Present Danger - Takes place in an election year, at end Fowler elected president. = could be either 1988 or 1992, but...
- The Sum of All Fears - "Almost two years" after Fowler's election November; climax at Super Bowl, mention prior presidents Regan and Bush (first mention of actual Presidents, BTW, IIRC), Desert Storm has occured = late 1994-January/February 1995 (fixed date).
- Debt of Honor/Executive Orders - Two years after Ryan resigned from Government service (occured at end of SoAF). = starts in early 1997. Also I believe it was in EO that a series of recent Presidents was mentioned - it was Regan, Bush, Fowler, Durling and Ryan, IIRC.
- Rainbow Six - Sydney Olympics, also when Popov reads the label on his vaccination the label states 2000. = 2000 (fixed date).
So, far from being as muddled as I feared, the chronology actually falls together easily and makes sense (as long as you ignore the dreadful and inconsistant both with regards to OTL and within the Ryanverse Red Rabbit, which is an entirely different can o' worms...).
- Aerobird Target locked - Fox One! 19:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: After The Sum of All Fears, Tom Clancy really confused himself many times over, and the dates in the books is at best a result of him smoking the magic dragon.
SoAF takes place two years after CaPD and one year before Sovjets fall. That should be 90.
DoH takes place two years after SoAF and 8 months before the Election. That should be the beginning of 92. The Gulf War is mentioned.
EO takes place at the same day as the end of DoH, and ends before the election is over. That should still be 92. 
TBatD takes place less than one year after EO, and before the winder has begun. That is late 92, the same year as both DoH and EO. Now it get's confusing. The war of Serbia (98) has happend, yet this is 93. Ryan speaks of the Trade Reform Act as it took place years ago, but it took place in DoH that was just one year before. And John Clark speaks of RAINBOW SIX starting years ago, but the book Rainbow Six started not long after EO, and that is mere months before TBatD. 
So I take away all years after TSoaF. When does TotT take place, btw?80.251.192.2 13:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The timeline is impossible. 

message: I'm deleting Ronald Reagan from the list of Presidents.  He isn't one of the "explicitly shown" as he doesn't appear in either Patriot Games or Red Rabbit, and I think the paragraph beneath the list of presidents explains his role in the series well enough, though feel free to change if you feel otherwise.
*I deleted that paragraph beneath thingy, because since George Bush is mentioned as a president in Rainbow Six that paragraph doesn't make any sense. 18:12, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The hatred is not really a problem, remember that VPs are chosen for political electability reasons. LBJ hated JFK, Teddy Roosevelt was only selected because he was so popular, ... TR later ran against his own VP-cum-President when he hated what he was doing to the country. 70.29.209.121 (talk) 06:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidents 

message: It looks a bit silly to have a list of presidents going back to the eighteenth century. Did Clancy actually change anything before 1977? Also, I think we have to simply accept that it is not possible to build a coherent presidential timeline for these books. There are simply too many internal inconsistencies. I vote to remove the entire list, but I wanted to bring it up here first because it is a big change. --KarlFrei (talk) 11:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the list shows George Dallas apparently succeding James K. Polk, so if that's from the Ryan books then it's a change as early as 1848. But I can't find any reference for it in the article, or thru google. 92.12.78.197 (talk) 01:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of presidents 

message: Should there be a "characters in Jack Ryan" page attached to this one somewhere?  We don't want to have one for each individual person, but it would help understand the Ryanverse page some. 147.9.234.143 (talk) 06:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, that's how many other series work, they have a joint series character list. And a template... so converting  to  would be a good idea. 70.29.209.121 (talk) 06:51, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryanverse characters 

message: 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09
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 81          PG
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 87             CK
 88                CPD
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 95                               DH
 96                                     EO
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Looks to me like he was writing in real time, except for three flashbacks: PG (back 6 years to put Jack Ryan in the CIA); WR (John Clark's back story); RR (last appearance of Jack Ryan). --Uncle Ed (talk) 17:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline graph

message: The Ryanverse would contain Rainbow Six, as well as Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell. The article mentions that the Rainbow Six games are in the Ryanverse, and Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell take place in the same universe as Rainbow Six, which means that all these series in the same universe as the books. That means that the Splinter Cell/Ghost Recon novels are also in the Ryanverse. -- 69.76.14.54 (talk) 07:56, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Game series

message: I've merged the information from the Ryanverse page to Jack Ryan (Tom Clancy).  This was for various reasons, including the fact that there was no real discussion of the books on the Jack Ryan page, but mainly because I can't see that the page title "Ryanverse" is a suitable name for the topic, as it does not appear to be established.  The two references used to establish its validity were a wikipedia mirror and a user list from amazon.  Rob Sinden (talk) 14:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem here.  I didn't see problem with the "Ryanverse" article, as I've heard the term for years at literary conventions, but it looks like you did a very good job merging the information.  More power to you. Rapier1 (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge to [[Jack Ryan (Tom Clancy)]] 

message: There is no of Ryan or his son or his administration. The only link to the Ryanverse is a brief appearance of one of the Campus operatives.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.84.212.16 (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Against All Enemies does not belong in the chronology list