Talk:Hungarian alphabet

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===méh===
H	/h/	1. [ ɦ ] 2. ∅ 3. [ x ] 3. [ ç ]	1. when in intervocal position. 2. not rendered usually when in final position méh /meː/ 'bee', cseh /tʃɛ/ 'Czech (noun/adj.)' 3. seldom in final position, such as in doh 'dampness', méh 'uterus' 4. seldom, such as in ihlet 'inspiration', pech 'bad luck' (loanword from German)
A különbség az, hogy én a méh 'uterus' jelentésű szót is
a néma H-s szavakhoz soroltam, ő pedig a [ x ]-esekhez.
Szerintem ez nem a "hivatalos" ejtése. Eleve, tudtommal veláris ("magas") magánhangó után
a magyarban csak [ ç ] jöhet, már ez is gyanút kelt.
Szívesen hallanám mások véleményét a méh 'uterus' jelentésű szó helyes kiejtéséről.
Orvos vélemények előnyben.
Köszi.
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I have never heard it pronounced without the ending [x] in the "uterus" sense (not that this matters to the "official" pronunciation, but I have no better argument). Think about the pronunciation of all the possible compound words, e.g. "méhnyak", "méhszáj", "méhfal", "méhlepény", and compare "méhviasz", "méhkaptár", "méhraj" where the word is used in the "bee" sense. KissL 15:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So how is pech pronounced again? I don't read Hungarian, so I don't understand the above. And how is the digraph <ch> as in monarchia usually pronounced in Hungarian? --Iceager 01:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK pech is pronounced . <ch> and <h> are just two different spellings for the same phoneme /h/ which has several allophones in certain positions (see above). /Perhaps <ch> is more often pronounced [x] or [ç] because it appears more frequently in "special" environments, eg in final position./ --Adolar von Csobánka (Talk) 21:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: szóvégi H

message: H	/h/	1. [ ɦ ] 2. ∅ 3. [ x ] 3. [ ç ]	1. when in intervocal position. 2. not rendered usually when in final position méh /meː/ 'bee', cseh /tʃɛ/ 'Czech (noun/adj.)' 3. seldom in final position, such as in doh 'dampness', méh 'uterus' 4. seldom, such as in ihlet 'inspiration', pech 'bad luck' (loanword from German)
A különbség az, hogy én a méh 'uterus' jelentésű szót is
a néma H-s szavakhoz soroltam, ő pedig a [ x ]-esekhez.
Szerintem ez nem a "hivatalos" ejtése. Eleve, tudtommal veláris ("magas") magánhangó után
a magyarban csak [ ç ] jöhet, már ez is gyanút kelt.
Szívesen hallanám mások véleményét a méh 'uterus' jelentésű szó helyes kiejtéséről.
Orvos vélemények előnyben.
Köszi.
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I have never heard it pronounced without the ending [x] in the "uterus" sense (not that this matters to the "official" pronunciation, but I have no better argument). Think about the pronunciation of all the possible compound words, e.g. "méhnyak", "méhszáj", "méhfal", "méhlepény", and compare "méhviasz", "méhkaptár", "méhraj" where the word is used in the "bee" sense. KissL 15:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: méh

message: László, a pech-et pedig kivenném a példák közül, mert nem a
H betű ejtésére példa, hanem a [ ç ] hang létére.
Remélem egyetértesz.
-- Szabi 10:58, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So how is pech pronounced again? I don't read Hungarian, so I don't understand the above. And how is the digraph <ch> as in monarchia usually pronounced in Hungarian? --Iceager 01:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK pech is pronounced . <ch> and <h> are just two different spellings for the same phoneme /h/ which has several allophones in certain positions (see above). /Perhaps <ch> is more often pronounced [x] or [ç] because it appears more frequently in "special" environments, eg in final position./ --Adolar von Csobánka (Talk) 21:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: pech

message: Does anyone else think that the whole Hungarian language area needs new templating (especially the alphabet part).  I think we should base it on the Greek alphabet.  It looks good.  Any comments? somody 00:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: Ehm, brit angollal az pronOUnciation.... translation: "erm, in British English it is spelt pronOUnciation...."  85.248.66.2 22:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pron(o)unciation 

message: A and Á are not the short and long versions of the same sound! While A is indeed /ɑ/ (at least in the standard dialect), Á is definitely different, I'd say /aː/. 195.56.26.108 06:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronouncing a and á 

message: The approx. English pronunciation seems to be in the need of an overhaul here.  As an example, ë - like in "same", without the /ɪ/ part of the diphthong /eɪ/, but é - café, hey.  The diphthong /eɪ/ in same and hey is obviously the same, so the /e/ part of the diphthong is described for both vowels (ë and é).  Furthermore, café also has the same diphthong, but here the whole diphthong is described (The é in café is bolded), meaning the sound of é should be /eɪ/, which obviously contradicts the /e/ given by hey. 193.91.181.142 (talk) 12:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ë, é 

message: Seriously? The example for the letter "Y" is "Yoda"? There are so many more fitting words. The author must be a Star Wars fan. --2.245.147.109 (talk) 20:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not even a good example, as Yoda is pronounced with a palatal approximant /j/ not a close front unrounded vowel /i/. I replaced "Yoda" with "happy" now. ---Sluzzelin talk 09:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Wars 

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message: Apart from the collation order listed in the article, there's also a ‘technical’ collation order. The main difference seems to be that accented letters get their own buckets, so A < Á < B, instead of A, Á < B. I don't know how often this is used, but having multiple collation orders for a language isn't that unusual.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.86.20.136 (talk) 12:55, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collation