Talk:Through the Looking Glass (Lost)/Archive 1

message: Earlier in the series, episodes were treated with the flashback sequences wholly italicized.  This served to admirably divide the episodes into contemporary and past sequences. I think we should revert back to this styling, rather than just entering the entire episode in normal text.  (Mchelada 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might say the on-island scenes are now flashbacks, and the off-island scenes take place in the present. - LeonWhite 01:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italicized Flashbacks 

message: It's not like giving a synopsis of the plot is very encyclopedic. Besides, people who watch the show are going to want to know a couple of interesting things about the show.
-I believe that the trivia should be kept, or at least have some sort of section for the little things that people would be likely to miss.  I only come to Wikipedia to read the trivia sections, because I have already seen the show and I am simply looking for the little things that I missed.  Things like the anagram for the funeral parlor that spells "FLASH FORWARD" that someone pointed out above.199.73.74.5 17:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the Trivia section back, there is no explanation provided for its removal and similar sections exist for previous episodes. 75.185.72.109 18:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  See WP:TRIVIA. Junk trivia with no chance of integration is removed. Matthew 18:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Get to work.           I'll link some more when you're done. WriteDoer 18:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  I read that article on trivia, and it said you should try to integrate trivia into the main article.  But it didn't say that you should delete it if you can't.  It specifically said that it does not deal with "if trivia belongs in Wikipedia." - Shaheenjim 19:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, what the heck? Especially the phone number. I initially edited the trivia section with the bit about the phone number Jack dials.  I think that was important! It was later integrated into the document, no problem. Now it's gone! what! In fact that whole section about him leaving the message is gone...
The body was found at 4 a.m.. The first number. :D --70.140.22.6 04:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why delete the trivia? 

message: When Jack goes to the funeral home in the flash forward, the funeral director asks him if he's friend or family.  What's his response?  Does he say either or neither?  The wikipedia article used to say neither, but someone changed it to either, and I'm not sure if that's right. - Shaheenjim 15:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Friend or family 

message: Someone changed the article to say John Locke was the one who died.  They said it with quite a bit of confidence.  They cited a close examination of the newspaper article.  I don't think we're supposed to know, and we certainly aren't supposed to be confident in the knowledge.  I say we delete that from the article.  Maybe we could say that it examination of the newspaper article makes some people think the name starts with "Jo" which has led some to believe it is John Locke.  But not with any degree of certitude. - Shaheenjim 15:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The name in the newspaper is most likely an alias, since it appears to end with "ntham". - LeonWhite 23:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead body 

message: It wasn't "flashrewind", so why is it called flashforward? It should be flashahead. Xiner (talk) 20:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "flashforward" makes sense. If someone went "back in time" that would be the opposite of moving "forward in time", right? Or people in a queue being asked to step back or step forward. Even if it's not the perfect terminology, "flashforward" seems to be how other sites are referring to it. ChazBeckett 20:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: May I remind everyone of WP:CRYSTAL and just accept everything presented to us in the episode at face value?
I'm removing the flashfoward thing from the lead section... I think it's a spoiler. No-Bullet (Talk • Contribs) 02:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It shouldn't be called a flashforward. 

message: The plot summary is way too long and has to be trimmed. Cloud02 11:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no normal one hour summary size. The problem with this one is that it isn't a summary, but a detailed description of everything that happened in the episode. Cloud02 08:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  too long plot 

message: With Hurley killing Pryce with the VW van and Locke killing Naomi, is there anybody but Jack of the Losties, that HASN'T killed somebody on the Island?
- Rose?
Btw: i'm quite sure, locke got "permission" for extreme measures from the "monster".
:Frogurt guy, Rose, Sexy Blue Striped Shirt Girl... Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 22:24, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Kate hasn't killed anyone on the island. Jack euthanised the US marshal after Sawyer failed to. - LeonWhite 23:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, should have been clearer (thanks to LeonWhite, and corrected)....Now, every MALE "Lostie" (main character) has killed somebody on the Island.  And given that if the females on the Island end up dying in pregnancy (a act also begun by the men obviously)...is that significant???
Kate killed an Other when they were folliwing Micheal at the end of season 2 remember? Griffenflash 23:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please correct if wrong...Everybody but Jack is now a murderer

message: in the middle of the episode jack says to Dr. Hammil to get his father, Christian Shephard, "down here" and if Jack's drunker than he is then Dr. Hammil can fire him.  If his dad is alive it happened in the past
       BUT
at the end of the episode jack talks to kate, He explains to her that he has been using the "golden pass" given to him by the airline to take flights across the Pacific, in hopes that the plane would crash and he would get back to the island. He says he no longer cares what would happen to the other passengers onboard. He says that he wishes that he could go back and fix his mistake. Kate refuses to acknowledge that she made a mistake. Kate gets in her car and begins to pull away, as Jack is left screaming: "We need to go back!" as an airplane takes off behind him.   
that would prove it happened in the future
:Nothing stays dead on the Island - look at Mikhail, for instance. Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 23:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that Jack's father is alive? —  « hippi ippi » 05:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not beyond the realms of possibility. Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 12:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: This is probably right, seeing that his diary is right next to the casket (I think). :)--24.175.38.166 18:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flashback or flashforward 

message: Is anything more going to be made of the newspaper article? 
Has anyone got any clearer pictures of it, or can anyone make any more of that picture, so that we can potentially transcribe what was written on it?
sorry english so im rubbish with american accents, but which characters have a new york accent as it says they're from that area
This is what it says: (source: losteastereggs.blogspot.com)
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.
Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.
Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.
According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.
Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
surely thats michael then as walt would be a teenager by then?
Is there proof that that is what tthe article actually says?!
:I don't think that this "transcription" of the article should be included in the summary for 2 reasons:
::1. There is no official source that confirms it does, in fact, say that.
::2. The specific details of the article aren't notable.Jackieboy87 04:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newspaper article 

message: I've removed these points because:
# The first is obvious
# The VW note is integrateable: "Hurley drives the Volkswagen van (from "Tricia Tanaka is Dead")".
# 3 and 4 are numberscruft.
# 5 and 6 are original research.
Please stop reinserting this, please. Will (talk) 17:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia removal 

message: Perhaps you could change the frontpage, because as has been discussed here, it has not been proven that Jack's father is dead indeed.. 82.73.133.177 19:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack's dad