Talk:Droughts and famines in Russia and the Soviet Union

message: Someone should work in a link to Trofim Lysenko. 
Ccwelt 11:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: The comments on the 1932-3 famine leave out the root cause of the famine which Mark Tauger has established was rustic plant disease.  This resulted in grain stalks growing without the expected quantity of grains and hence created an urban legend that the crop had been adequate but was somehow stolen.  The comment blaming "confiscations" for the famine is meaningless.  Of course one must confiscate grain to feed an urban populace.  Famine occurs not because of grain confiscations per se, but because of the crop failure which causes a shortage of supply.  The famine was then aggravated by the failure to properly understand its causes and the belief that crops had been stolen and hidden away by someone.  But confiscations in themselves are unavoidable and can't be marked as a cause of famine.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.247.134.80 (talk) 13:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we get a little more detail on where he published the above that it might be read? Was it peer-reviewed? On a related note, minor treatment of examples of western powers engaging in similar confiscations would be welcome, but they continue to warrant coverage as they remain an integral and unavoidable part of the popular mythos surrounding these events. MrZaiustalk 15:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Plant Rust

message: Ukrainian demographers without a single pro-Stalin axe to grind have established that the total number of Ukrainian deaths in the famine of 1932-3 was about 2.5 million.  One can add on at least another 1.3 million deaths in other regions, and possibly go up to 4.5 million in total.  But the ten million number is way off and the 5 million is at best an extreme upper estimate, not a lower bound.
:If those numbers are unsourced, feel free to strike them and replace them with something you can cite with sources that meet WP:RS. If they are cited with reliable sources (reliable in the non-fringe sense, not the agrees-with-everything-I-say sense), add your own numbers (when cited) in counterpoint. An expert's eye and stronger citations are, as always, most welcome. MrZaiustalk 15:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 3.8-4.5, not 5-10

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Droughts and famines in Russia and the Soviet Union. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060903203830/http://zhe.stanford.edu/spring05/Kazakhstan2.pdf to http://zhe.stanford.edu/spring05/Kazakhstan2.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080708201239/http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/outreach/conventions_speeches/dr_sinner.html to http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/outreach/conventions_speeches/dr_sinner.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090906073532/http://www1.fee.uva.nl:80/pp/mjellman/ to http://www1.fee.uva.nl/pp/mjellman/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 03:26, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified