Talk:List of Life on Mars (British TV series) episodes

message: Neither the shows themselves, the BBC site, nor IMDB has titles for the individual episodes beyond "Episode 1", etc.  They are cited to DigiGuide as the source, but what's the nature of that site?  Where did it get the titles from?  Without clear evidence to the contrary, I'd take the BBC site as the definitive source, and conclude that the proper titles are simply, "Episode 1," etc.--Trystan (talk) 18:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also skeptical of these titles. And I don't know how reputable that site is. What about the DVDs? I don't own them, because they haven't been released in America. What titles are listed on the Region 2 DVDs? Dirk Amoeba (talk) 15:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to DigiGuide, they accept user-submitted content.  Based on that, and given that we have no official sources that use these titles, I think we should probably rename them to Series 1 Episode 1 (Life on Mars) and so on.  Though as Dirk says, confirmation from the DVDs would be great to have before beginning such a large move.--Trystan (talk) 19:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Some fan just made up these names for DigiGuide.  The Wikipedia pages should use the BBC names (I.E. the Episode Numbers).  This goes for Ashes to Ashes as well. —MJBurrage(T•C) 04:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I tend to agree.  I am going to rename the episodes on the episode listing page.  Someone should help rename the individual episode pages and fix the links. --Phoenix Hacker (talk) 07:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I moved all the episodes and updated the related templates, but the character and actor pages still need their links updated. —MJBurrage(T•C) 15:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode names 

message: At present the individual episodes consist almost entirely of in-universe plot summaries and trivia. With the exception of the pilot, all episode articles fail WP:EPISODE. It is likely that each individual episode of a television series will not be notable on its own, simply because there are not enough secondary sources available. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) explains further:
When an article is created, the subject's real-world notability should be established according to the general notability guideline by including independent reliable secondary sources — this will also ensure that there is enough source material for the article to be comprehensive and factually accurate.
Articles on a work of fiction should primarily describe it from a real-world perspective.
Every single one of the episode articles fail these policies.
Therefore all episode articles should be merged and redirected to List of Life on Mars episodes. Even then episode lists pages must still be notable, and contain out-of-universe context, and not merely be a list of episode titles or cast and crew: Wikipedia is not a directory.
McWomble (talk) 13:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? They clearly fail core Wikipedia policies. If they are not trimmed and merged, they are open to being deleted outright. McWomble (talk) 09:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Sounds good to me! Transwiki as much content as you like then WP:EPISODE can be met with a merge. McWomble (talk) 06:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of episodes