Talk:Skiffle

message: what else is called "skiffle"? can this article be at skiffle?
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Good point. I dropped the link... now what is a "Skiffle"? 
After looking at the dictionary, I'm not sure anymore... it only lists Skiffle Music. 
Main Entry: skif·fle
Pronunciation: 'ski-f&l
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1926
: American jazz or folk music played entirely or in part on nonstandard instruments (as jugs, washboards, or Jew's harps); also : a derivative form of music formerly popular in Great Britain featuring vocals with a simple instrumental accompaniment
::Geez, read the article! It's already in there with a cite from the OED saying it means "rent party" q.v.  Ortolan88 02:25 Nov 3, 2002 (UTC)
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"Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's [sic] Flavour on the Bedpost Over Night?" 
is the sic for It's or for Flavour spelt the Brittish way?
Ahem... that's the article I wrote. THe question was - does the word "skiffle" mean anything else? - jazz77
:Ahem yourself.  You didn't write the part about the OED. ortolan88  
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Maybe a better question would be - does "skiffle" refer specifically to the parties themselves, or to the music played at the party?  If it refers to the party itself, maybe the Skiffle article should redirect to rent party and "rent party" should mentione Skiffle Music. - jazz7
:Acccording to the OED, skiffle meant "rent party", as stated.  You're right that the rent party article should refer to skiffle music,(which, in fact, it already does) but a separate article on skiffle would just be a dictionary entry.  (I'd guess that skiffle in this sense was a word play on "scuffle", but there's not justification for that.) Ortolan88 02:55 Nov 3, 2002 (UTC)
Over 3 years later skiffle remains a redirect, and I don't see why. Common usage is that the music genre is "skiffle". What the OED says doesn't really matter. Incoming links speak volumes, and they mostly point to skiffle. A move over a redirect is coming your way... :-) --kingboyk 23:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. The kind of music you are refering to was known as "Hillbilly" or Old Time. Skiffle was rooted in Jazz and Blues, and the word "skiffle" refers to "Informal Music" Donegan and bands like The Vipers who had been schooled in jazz, took the jazz out of skiffle and replaced it with elements of early American Rock n Roll. The Kingston Trio skiffle? And the Hoosier Hot Shots are credited with starting  "Rural Midwestern Jazz". "British Skiffle" was unique to Britain. Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Coming at it from another angle, skiffle is Jamaican patois for what we would call a skinhead haircut.   Nuttyskin (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Skiffle

message: I was looking to put :Category:The Quarrymen into a skiffle artists category but I couldn't find one. If you know of one, could you please do the honours? If there isn't, perhaps we should have a skiffle category with a skiffle artists subcategory? --kingboyk 23:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't call the Quarrymen as the well-known skiffle performers. Nobody knew them, no real records made. Just mention the Beatles were influenced by the skiffle music of the time. - Klaus Bertow 19:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, this is notable because that was the name that the Beatles had before they were the Beatles.  So just because of that fact, they are one of the best known skiffle bands (even though they only performed locally, and didn't make any records).  Badagnani 19:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness, problem fixed in three words, see article.  You know, it would be a very poor skiffle article that didn't mention the Quarry Men, it's just a matter of how you say it and it wasn't the least bit difficult to change it so it is useful and correct.  All that grumbling above, wasted. Ortolan88 17:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but I disagree. It's a very poor article that mentions The Quarrymen and ignores real Skiffle Stars. And furthermore, I've got every right to grumble, if that's OK with you :) Lion King 17:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, edit the article and put Nancy Whisky and The Vipers in there!  It doesn't do them or the article any good for you to grumble (all you want and as you like) on the talk page. Talk page talk not backe up by article action is of limited value, IMNSHO.Ortolan88 18:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, calm down. I was just being playful. Article action will commence later as I'm off to do some work now. Best wishes, Lion King 18:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category

message: The Vipers were playing Skiffle long before these guys cashed in on it. The Vipers were the reason that they started putting Skiffle into thier set for the kids in the first place.
And yes, "Rock Island Line" was a runaway success but they had picked it up from The Vipers- they didn't know any Leadbelly or Woody Guthrie songs. Donegan left to cash in, as he'd only received a session fee for "Rock Island Line", and began covering every Vipers release, wearing a dinner jacket and backed by a huge record company, even claiming to have co-written Leadbelly and Guthrie songs.Lion King 09:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does Lion King keep removing text regarding other groups (not modifying, but entirely deleting), as well as the link between the Quarrymen as an early version of the Beatles?  If no explanation, then please restore the deleted text.  This is a collaborative effort, not a POV soapbox about which groups you feel are worthy of mention and which you believe should be deleted.  Badagnani 20:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restored the collaborative effort to I'ts former glory - OK? Bye, Lion King 23:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Donegan/Colyer/Barber

message: I removed the large collection of external links for individual bands per WP:NOT and WP:EL. shotwell 00:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that I should have commented here first and waited for someone to respond. My mistake aside, is it really necessary to maintain this large list of external links to individual bands? The reason "this is helpful for our readers" may very well be true, but we're not a band repository. Perhaps we could prune this list down by limiting ourselves to bands that have wikipedia articles? There is already an external link containing a list of Skiffle bands. shotwell 03:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree shotwell, there are far too many. Cut them down to the bands that have articles. Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 21:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The links allow our readers to pursue further research about contemporary skiffle groups.  It has already been mentioned that skiffle is a generally non-commercial form of music and most groups may not have CDs out, and thus would not qualify for their own Wikipedia articles.  Please focus on productive editing that adds to our users' knowledge rather than trying to prevent them from obtaining the information they need.  Thank you for your interest in this musical genre.  Badagnani 22:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that's a fair piont Badagnani. Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it would seem the Skiffle coverage on wikipedia is lacking. I also cannot find anything in dmoz that we could link to as an alternative. Perhaps this is an exception to WP:EL and WP:NOT (specifically, not a directory). It would, however, be much better if someone knowledgeable about these bands wrote a little something about the more notable ones, rather than merely link to their websites. They may not qualify for their own wikipedia articles, but we could mention them here. shotwell 19:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That would be doable.  Some of the German ones have been around for more than 30 years and are fairly well known in their home regions.  Badagnani 05:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band external links 

message: [Lonnie Donegan] "Having been paid just a £50 session fee for the song" etc - £50 in 1956 was an incredible amount of money - no one would have recieved that amount of money as a session fee. I would suggest that it be replaced by: "Just a session fee." Best, 650 Norton (1951) (talk) 14:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: £50 session fee

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message: Could someone put Skiffle in the Jazz template and put the Jazz template on this page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C7:C201:C640:E94D:4B73:B1C5:9911 (talk) 00:34, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: While it's true that, initially, the skiffle style in Britain was played by musicians who also played jazz, it's hard to justify the inclusion of skiffle in the jazz template, in my view.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jazz 

message: This article does a great job tracing the history of Skiffle.  But it does not really describe the style of skiffle music.  Beats, melodies, playing styles, singing styles.
A brief discussion of Skiffle so that I could recognize it's style or influence when I hear a song.  Robert.Harker (talk) 18:02, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of Skiffle style?