Talk:Anna Pavlova

message: The below text was posted at Media:Pavlova.JPG by User:203.101.238.121. I moved it here. -- Infrogmation 15:46, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's very lovely. What about this reburial thing? I am finding plenty of news articles on line saying that the reburial was held up in March 2001 because they couldn't find any documentation that she wanted to be buried in Russia. Also, it says her family in Russia opposed it, the idea being that she'd made it clear that England was her adoptive country. This is what happens when you don't make out a will. Has she actually been reburied at Novodevichy, or is there still a holdup on that? If so, what date (year) was it? --Bluejay Young 04:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: The following passage from the Anna Pavlova page does not make sense: 
Her feet were extremely rigid, so she strengthened her pointe shoe by adding a piece of hard wood on the soles for support ... many considered this "cheating", for a Ballerina of the era was taught that she, not her shoes, must hold her weight in pointe. In Pavlova's case this was extremely easy, as the shape of her feet required her to balance her weight on her little toes.
If "Her feet were extremely rigid" she would not have been adding what is now called a shank, at least not because of that; nor would it have been "extremely easy ... to balance her weight on her little toes." The facts about her shoes may well be correct but this explanation of it is completely inside out and upside down! — Robert Greer (talk) 04:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  pointe shoes 

message: I have no resources regarding this, but I came across a famous last words list and she was listed as having said, "Get my swan costume ready." But here it is listed as "Play the last measure slowly." If there are any experts on the subject, you might want to look into this... --68.205.251.91 (talk) 22:52, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Softly. It came from Margot Fonteyn's book on Pavlova. If the reference is not in there I can put it in. --Bluejay Young (talk) 08:22, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Words 

message: At one point the article states that Pavlova began her company in the mid 1900s. This is unclear. Do they mean between 1900 and 1910? She had only become primar ballerina (or Russian equivalent) in 1906, and I would not think she had started a company before then. If it was within the first decade, then the text is innaccurate, as mid 1900s refers to the middle of the century.  As she passed away in 1931, the mid 1900s with respect to the century is not accurate.
Could someone with knowledge of primary sources repair?  Thanks. Peacedance (talk) 18:53, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dating issue 

message: this famous cake from foam eggs in the oven is bt name of this ballet dancer ? . פארוק (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is.  It's already in the article. Beastiepaws (talk) 22:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Isn't there a controversy over whether it was invented and named after her in Australia vs. New Zealand?203.45.1.54 (talk) 00:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed.  See Pavlova (food) and Talk:Pavlova (food).  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 00:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes, and it is in fact this cake that is the only reason that the dancer is famous or remembered. 203.46.132.214 (talk) 06:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pavlova Cake 

message: The article gave the impression that she lived in two house, in Hampstead and in Golders Green, whereas the house is in Golders Green, just north of Hampstead. Have corrected accordingly. Unfortunately the museum there seems to be gone. Straw Cat (talk) 18:34, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ivy House 

message: Is there a definitive source for he date of birth. In Wikipedia we have 16 February 1882 in this here article, we also have her DOB under February 12 1881. The first reference, here, give 31 January 1881. Britannica gives Jan. 31 [Feb. 12, New Style], 1881. Any comments? Jan1naD (talk • contrib) 12:23, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's generally agreed that she was born on 31 January 1881, according to the Julian calendar in use in Russia at that time.  That was equivalent to 12 February 1881 in the Gregorian calendar used in the West.  I'll amend the lede to show both dates, so that there's no doubt.  The date 16 February or the year 1882 are not supported by most sources.  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 23:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Birth 

message: I've just spent some time clearing up some messy but apparently well-intentioned editing. Someone had attempted to put the following text beneath 'Notes':
:Two of Anna Pavlova's students were Frankisek Karhanek of Russia and Prima Ballerina Irina Kladivova of Czech descent. When Prague, Czechoslovakia was bombed under SS leader Reinhard Heydrick, the Czech people were to be subjugated. Irina and Frankisek Karhanek defected to the United States of America. They started several ballet studios and taught hundreds of students.They learned to read and write English and changed their last name to Pal. Wichita Falls, Texas is where they are buried. Irina Pal would often speak of her teacher Anna Pavlova who taught them Classical Ballet using French terms. The Pals became American citizens in 1955. They were members of the First Christian Church of Wichita Falls, Texas. exert by Brenda Kay Winters,ballet dancer, teacher (1952- present),former student of Frank and Irina Pal.
I leave it to someone else to decide whether any of this deserves a place in the article - I assume it's effectively OR by Brenda Kay Winters, but it may be worth rescuing. Alfietucker (talk) 20:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Tidying

message: The word "Cadilan" appears in this article and nowhere else in Wikipedia.  Google guesses it might be a mistake for cardinal.  Can someone check the cited biography? 209.179.99.136 (talk) 02:41, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A Malay servant...told her in broken English that the bird---a cadilan---(presumably its Malay name) would return to its cage.
(p. 346).  In view of the rest of the "Pets" chapter, which indicates that Pavlova kept many different types of birds, I see no
reason to single out the "cadilans", whatever they actually are.  I'll be changing the article accordingly. 170.140.147.162 (talk) 18:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cadilan" birds? 

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message: The article is adequate in terms of correct dates and places, but it gives little
impression of Pavlova's personality. According to Bronislava Nijinsky's autobiography,
Pavlova was notoriously selfish, jealous and ungenerous in her relationships
with other dancers. In one interview, for example, Pavlov mocked Vaslav Nijinsky's
fame. She said that a dozen dancers in modern times had his technical facility,
and that he would have been considered nothing special to a new generation. She
seems not to have understood that it was the combination of incomparable charisma
with expert technique that made him famous.
Younggoldchip (talk) 17:24, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pavlova's Personality 

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message: This sentence looks wrong:
*Her fellow students taunted her with such nicknames as The broom and La petite sauvage (The little savage).
I think the translation of 'La petite sauvage' may be wrong. Presumably this is French, in spite of it supposedly being used in the Imperial Ballet School in Russia. Wiktionary (wikt:sauvage) gives the primary meanings 'wild' and 'untamed', with a secondary meaning 'Amerindian' (especially Canada, obsolete, offensive – Louisiana, offensive). I think that 'savage' is a false friend.
I propose that we change the translation to 'The wild girl'. Or would 'The little squaw' be appropriate? Comments please Verbcatcher (talk) 19:39, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does ''La petite sauvage'' mean? 

message: The accent is on the first syllable. Useful to show thisSeadowns (talk) 14:01, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of name 

message: A number of things were changed in this vandalism edit on 27 February 2008 that never got changed back. One was that Cyril Beaumont became Cyril Johnson, who was eventually unlinked. However, the original sentence read:
:The ballet writer Cyril Beaumont described that "her bourées were like a string of pearls".
When I came to change back the critic's name, I found someone else's bourrées being so described:
:One of her dancers, Kathleen Crofton, was reviewed by the ballet writer Cyril Johnson, he said that "her bourrées were like a string of pearls".
WikiBlame seems to be down; it took a lot of searching without it to find the bad edit (I was looking for the introduction of the unlikely balancing on her little toe) and without the tool, finding where the quote became attributed to someone other than Pavlova will also take a lot of effort, and I can't find it online except in Wikipedia mirrors. Does anyone have the literature to hand to sort it out? In the interim I've left the sentence commented out with the comma splice fixed:
:When one of her dancers, Kathleen Crofton, was reviewed by the ballet writer Cyril Beaumont, he wrote that "her bourrées were like a string of pearls". 
Yngvadottir (talk) 04:51, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whose bourrées were "like a string of pearls"? 

message: In some contemporary English-language publications, her name is spelled Pavlowa, such as here:  (undated),  (about 1915), and  (1926). As far as I'm aware, her name was always spelled Павлова in Cyrillic, and I wonder where the "w" came from. Perhaps she liked the spelling because it seemed more exotic? There's no indication in the article of this being the official spelling of her own independent ballet company, however. Any ideas? Milkunderwood (talk) 04:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling as "Pavlowa" 

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message: https://lilith.org/2016/11/yes-these-famous-ballerinas-are-jewish/
This article seems certain that Martyev was not her father, but that Lazar is only a possible candidate - although how can we be sure? The article didn't cite sources - I will try and find some. 94.196.236.87 (talk) 10:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible Jewishness 

message: I went looking for more information on the claim that Anna Pavlova put leather in her shoes and was the first to do so, but when I went through the listed source (which is available to be borrowed from the internet archive) I could find passages mentioning she had "high insteps," but no claims about her putting leather in the shoes, only that the ends were stitched as were custom in the times. Is this section accurate? Are there any other sources that directly confirm this?
https://archive.org/details/pavlovaportraito0000font_r8f8 Realwikibot (talk) 22:26, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point Shoes Source 

message: "She refused to have the surgery, saying 'If I can't dance, then I'd rather be dead.' " 
I'm sorry, what's the source on that? I've looked into what Victor Dandré wrote about her death in "Anna Pavlova: In Art & Life" and that's not what's written there. 85.249.165.230 (talk) 19:13, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing source? Or misinformation