Talk:Thirty-two-bar form

message: This article is not very easy to understand. Could someone clarify? --Dweller 11:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What specifically is hard to understand? Hyacinth (talk) 08:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The first paragraph.  I came here from a pop-song article /Great Balls of Fire/, which thankfully had a discussion on the structure of the song.  But I didn't know what AABA meant.  I was hoping to get a quick and simple explanation, maybe with a clear example or diagram, in the opening paragraph.  I still don't know what AABA is after struggling through the article. --Why is it that music articles in Wik are so often either missing content or written for those who either have musical training or a natural understanding of music?  There are lots of us who are interested in music but don't have a natural for it. 202.179.16.71 (talk) 08:10, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: AABA is a diagram. Hyacinth (talk) 08:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  ?  "A diagram is a two-dimensional geometric symbolic representation of information according to some visualization technique."  202.179.16.64 (talk) 13:15, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The x-axis is time and the y-axis is events. Hyacinth (talk) 22:36, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

text: The first major issue that I noticed is that the article conflates the A/B/C/etc structure inside of a measure with the A/B/C/etc structure inside of a song. Below, I noticed that someone removed a diagram, which I actually thought was way more clear than the dumb overuse of ABBABABABA whatever littering the article. Unfortunately, as I came to this page to learn more about the subject, it's hard for me to judge with authority what should and shouldn't be removed. It's really confusing. Damienivan (talk) 01:56, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The section about "Every Breath You Take" has a confusing diagram, a questionable statement that its "AABACAABA" form combines "ABA" and AABA" — I guess it does? — and is followed by the Middle Eight section, which is perplexing. Here, the use of the term "B section" is a case study in bewilderment. Is it the "B" in the "AABA" of 32 bars? Or is it the C in the "ABABCB" structure of a song???? Again, I specifically came to this page to understand this very thing that is incomprehensible, so I can't fix it myself. Damienivan (talk) 02:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarify

message: "From Me to You" seems not to be AABA, but AABABA, more like Verse-chorus form --A4 19:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: From Me to You

message: I don't really know much about this subject, but I think some people say "middle eight" when talking about the bridge or the interlude of a verse/chorus song. The article middle 8 says that, but it seems to be a duplicate of this one (since middle eight redirects here), and it doesn't have any references. I think the best thing to do is to merge everything into bridge (music). As I said before, I'm not familiar with this topic, otherwise I'd do it myself. No-Bullet (Talk • Contribs) 21:51, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the merging 

message: The article states "In the refrain, the A section or verse forms the main melody" The A section is NOT called the verse. The verse precedes the refrain....
74.229.142.223 (talk) 20:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  correction? 

message: has anyone noted that the figure is a twelve-bar form?  I am a newbie to editing, so will not undertake myself, but this figure is definitely wrong.
update:  I just listened to "Somewhere Over the Rainbow".  It is absolutely exemplary.  If we had the score for that, that would be a good figure.
70.36.186.9 (talk) 07:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  figure does not represent thirty-two bar form! 

message: "(typically, a song consists of first verse, bridge, chorus, second verse, bridge, chorus, middle eight, chorus )."  I'm not a musicologist, but as a lay person I find it questionable that songs are that similar across the board.Kdammers (talk) 13:06, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about Thirty-two-bar form, the statement was just missing context. Hyacinth (talk) 18:26, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Over-generalized?

message: *A typical song structure employing a middle 8 is:
        xxxx  xxxx    xxxx  xxxx    xxxxxxxx  xxxx     xxxx
 Intro-{Verse-Chorus}{Verse-Chorus}-Middle 8-{Chorus}-{Chorus}-(Outro)
I removed the above after removing the 'bridges' (since the middle eight already is the bridge) as the phrases in 32-bar form are eight bars long and if I count how long the sections must be, they cut eight bars in half. Also, the example we have above, "Crazy", is the chorus. Hyacinth (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel like that diagram is way easier to understand than this article in its current super-unclear state. Damienivan (talk) 01:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed: Song structure

message: It doesn't have a table of contents, a separate intro section, or a section clearly defining the essence of Thirty-two-bar form.  There are two separate lists of examples for some reason.  I hope somebody who understands the topic can become slightly bold and reorganize the article.  Thank you.CountMacula (talk) 19:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs structure/restructuring 

message: This sentence from "History" :
> Though the 32-bar form resembles the ternary form of the operatic da capo aria, it did not become common until the late 1910s.
Is this sentence suggesting that 32-bar form is a type of ternary form, which is related to the specific kind of ternary form of the operatic da capo aria; or does it suggest that ternary form is specific to classical music and that the 32-bar form is not a type of ternary form?
Awelotta (talk) 14:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between ternary and 32-bar form