Talk:Katar (dagger)

message: The long extensions which run parallell to the wrist up to the middle of the forarm could be used to block a sword strike.  Source History Channel: the Mugals  --70.94.33.121 18:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guarding with the kitar 

message: too much--D-Boy 08:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The popular culture section is far too big. I'm cutting out the obscure stuff. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.79.225.131 (talk) 05:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fancruft 

message: The South Indian katar was far bigger than the ones in the North. Their size was more similar to that of swords......though I'm sure dagger variations existed in the South as well. Zachorious 01:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Indian Katar 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: This weapon is also seen in the PC game Hexen 2 from Raven software.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.8.191.42 (talk) 02:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hexen 2 

message: Do we have any? Or is this largely made up? I know some parts are true, but some I'm rather sure are false, like having seperating blades which I rather doubt, just like I doubt that most sci-fi, fantasy swords would hold up in a real fight, they just look cool. I further doubt that they could be done while inside someone to cut up the innards. Get sources. Also, I rather doubt that Indians would use a Japanese steel manufacturing system, that is folding the steel, in their weapons, I've never heard of anyone of note using that process except that Japanese, infact go to Folded Steel. Unless the Indians also developed this, they would not even have access until around the late 19th century, when the katar would of faded out. I also question the use and innovation of putting (european) pistols into a blade when it was already done by less honourable dualers to the west, and the effectiveness, a normal pistol or rifle is not garaunteed success, let alone 2 one shot derringers built into a weapon. Weapons with practically no barrels, a poor way in which to aim and which would be constantly in contact with enemy blades and body parts, which isn't healthy for modern guns. Sounds as useful as a paper tiger or golden suit of armour.
*According to Stone's "A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration, and Use of Arms and Armor in All Countries and in All Times",I believe it was stated that the "folded steel" concept was not exclusive to Japan.  It existed in Europe, and is similar to the method Damascus / "watered steel" used for centuries by the Empu of Indonesia in forging the Keris. And why would it not have been available unti the 19th century?  Trade routes ran through India back to the days of Marco Polo, at least. Also, several "scissors" Katar are included in Stone's book.  And furthermore, so are the "combination" weapons (gun and blade in one weapon)you seem so disdainful of.  Examples were included ranging from Axe-guns to rapier-pistols.
I mean no disrespect, I merely wish that people acknowlwdge that sometimes fact really IS stranger than fiction.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.233.163 (talk) 04:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources

message: How old is this weapon? i.e., what is the earliest known example?
  209.198.144.173 (talk) 05:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin, Earliest known example? 

message: Is this section really needed? It mainly lists a bunch of video games which use the weapon (the list of which can go on for ever). I'd suggest removing the section entirely (as Katars are pretty frequent in video games and film).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by French Connections (talk • contribs) 01:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Will remove. GDallimore (Talk) 01:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed again. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 09:56, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture? 

message: Under Canadian law push daggers are banned. Although the intended target of the law are compact folding daggers designed to fit in the palm of the hand, the definition is a knife with a blade perpendicular to the handle. The only exception is the Ulu knife. If anyone knows more about this please post. --216.58.52.132 (talk) 21:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legality in Canada 

message: Why is an obscure Indian village, given the page title "Katar", while the fairly well known and highly notable weapon, named Katar, forced to be a called "Katar (dagger)". Should it not be the other way around? Surely when people search wikipedia for "katar", it will mostly be due to wanting to know about the weapon? Indeed, I'd say that the vast majority of times, it will be the weapon, that people are concerned with.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 20:06, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the weapon is much more well-known and notable than the village. The Katara article isn't even very informative. Morinae (talk) 17:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you mention the Katara article?--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 00:27, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh sorry, I meant the Katar article. Morinae (talk) 09:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this a sub-page? 

message: The scissors type katar, are these what is known as Indian Death Scissors, or is that a different weapon?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.33.18.10 (talk) 08:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Death Scissors? 

message: I'd suggest adding a section to this article, dealing with what the weapon can be/is called. Many other articles can have a "name"/"etymology"/"terminology" section ...or two or all three of them. Such a section would probably be useful here.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 21:21, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name section 

message: Is anyone able to find any reliable sources for the katar being referred to as a "punching sword"? This is presently mentioned at Push_dagger#History:
:The push dagger is thought to have originated from the Indian subcontinent, and is related in principle to the 16th-century Indian katar (कटार), or punching sword.
I'm skeptical because one source didn't mention it and another is a book I'm unable to check.
Only news item I could find:
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Books have more:
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I also found a book which uses this term to refer to Pata (sword):
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So for now I think I'll create it as a disambiguation page. Given the parenthesis, maybe punching dagger would be an appropriate term for a katar, rather than sword, even if some people refer to the Katar as a sword?
It's a bit blurry, a Katar seems around the size of a long dagger or a short sword, and the LD/SS barrier isn't always clear. ScratchMarshall (talk) 04:57, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: [[punching sword]]

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