Talk:Birds of Prey (TV series)

message: Okay, I read this kind of quick, but it appears the names of the people who acted the charactres aren't listed.  It seems they should be and usually are on other pages having to do with TV shows & films.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ManOnPipes (talk • contribs) 17:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Actors

message: Note: Between October 27 2004 and November 29 2004, this topic was reduced to a section on the Birds of Prey page. See that page's edit history for user contributions during that period. --Paul A 05:51, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? The TV show is something completely seperate from the comic. There's no reason the comic and TV show should all be on the same page, especially if the intention is to expand the information on the comic book in the future. It would be like featuring the Superman comic and Smallville both on the same page. As such, I've moved everything back to this page. -- Redfarmer 11:56, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: I don't understand why you want the comic book and the tv show only have one page. It doesn't make sense to me as they're completely seperate projects and the TV show was only loosely based on the comic book. It's the same difference as between Catwoman and Catwoman (movie): they're really the same in name and minor details only. I also think the Birds of Prey page should be expanded in the future to include more information on the comic, which would make the information on the TV show even more out of place. -- Redfarmer 15:56, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Oops...my apologies...I thought you were implying you were the one who moved it all to one page. Guess I've made my newbie error now. Sorry about that. Redfarmer 02:37, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Page history

message: I deleted a new section listing apparent similarities and differences between the comic book and TV series as I felt it was rather weak, especially since the only two differences listed were in fact erroneous. As stated in the article itself, Black Canary is not a teenager in this series (although she was originally going to be); instead, she is the mother of the teenage girl who works with the team. Similarly, Huntress is the daughter of Batman and Catwoman in some versions of DC Comics continuity. All that left behind was a statement that in the comic and TV show Huntress, Black Canary and Oracle are a team ... which is again wrong since Black Canary is not a member of the team in this series (although she is clearly a former member). I think a list of similarities and differences is still possible, but it needs to be thought out a bit more. 23skidoo 23:52, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Similarities section

message: According to Hans Tobeason, the co-executive producer and writer of Birds of Prey: "Perhaps the other most common question was some variation of "Why was BOP cancelled?" This one is somewhat more difficult to answer (not to mention I didn't make the decision, and I wasn't in the room where the decision was made). First of all, the ratings were not stellar. They were not abysmal, either. Ratings alone were not the primary reason for cancellation. The process of making a TV show is very complex - there are many different entities involved, often with differing agendas. In the case of BOP, there were an unusually large number of, for lack of a better word, factions involved. In no particular order - the network (The WB), the studio (Warner Bros. Television), Tollin/Robbins, the writers, the production staff, and the cast. It was not always the case that all of these entities were on the same page, as it were. In the end, the network decided (I suppose) that the effort it was taking to try and get the show they had in mind on the air was not worth it." This comes from http://www.birdsofpreyonline.com/news.php?article=427
In other words, the reason for cancellation was not ratings alone. The ratings were not abysmal and they were not cancel level. This is a myth. On top of that, the ratings were actually going up when the series was cancelled, from what I understand. CureWhite
::Furthermore, this page implies that EVERYONE hated it. This is NOT true. I recall the Orlando Sentinel featuring a note in its TV listings section the day of the finale's airing as saying it would be something like "A fine finish to a brilliant series". There were some TV critics, at the very least, who loved it, and I actually knew quite a few people at the time it was airing who really liked it (one even took up writing in the series' fan fiction community after being dissatisfied with the abrupt canceling of the series), so the implication that it was universally abhorred (and that is what it kinda implies at the moment, ya know, with the phrasing "poorly received by both comic book fans and the mainstream audience" all by its lonesome) is erroneous. With the changes from the comics, well, of course some of the pickier comics fans are going to hate it, for the same reasons a lot of them dislike Smallville. A decent-sized chunk of the "mainstream" audience apparently liked the show, and a decent number of critics seemed to like it as well, and the page should reflect that.
::So, my suggestion: add a "Response" section (you know, like most other TV and film articles on individual films/episodes/series do?), and note specific criticisms and specific positive and negative reactions to the show. Right now, the vibe I'm getting is "everybody hated it, because it was an incoherent mess that mixed way too many timelines together", and that only seems to reflect ONE POV. In other words, I'm just slightly tempted to add an NPOV tag here. Perhaps we can avoid going that far, though, if only we add a Response section that includes both major POVs (e.g. the tangled mess of mixed-up timelines POV, and the "hey, this is really entertaining" POV espoused by a number of critics. At least, a number of Floridian critics, anyway). Runa27 19:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as what's posted is cited properly and not POV on either side, go wild. The fact network politics appears to have been the reason why the show was cancelled -- which directly contradicts most media reports on the show's demise -- is interesting and if someone wants to add this (if not already), feel free. But the fact that major media outlets cited low ratings needs to be acknowledged. This is sorta a variation on the cancellation of Star Trek: Enterprise. You'll get supporters (including people behind-the-scenes) stating network politics cancelled it, and people on the other side will say it was cancelled for poor ratings -- despite the fact that shows with lower ratings were renewed. There does seem to be a lack of support for the show on the network side, however, in that the WB has no plans to release it to DVD, despite the strong sales of other superhero TV shows like Wonder Woman and Superboy -- BOP would fit right in with these. 23skidoo 01:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More than 18 months later, I'm happy to take back my comment regarding DVD release, though it's a shame they didn't release it, well, 2 years ago. 23skidoo (talk) 13:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings did not cause BoP to be cancelled 

message: I would like to add http://www.batmanytb.com/tv/bop/index.php to the links section.  It is actually more informative then the links that are listed, whic are BTW, FAN sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xphermg (talk • contribs) 
*No. It's a commercial site with ads and its own YTB store. Fan sites have problems, that's true. We need to check them out. As I said elsewhere, your joining Wikipedia just to promote this site and your persistence in it sure make it look like you're one of the people making money off the YTB site. You said on User:Ipstenu's talk page that it has no advertising. Oh, come on. There's a Wal-Mart search box! Not to mention the Amazon and Overstock merchandise search boxes, and the Amazon items for sale in the lower left corner. Doczilla 06:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: All of the episodes of this series fail the notability guidelines for television episodes. The way for these articles to be improved is through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. That is unlikely to happen, and these only have certain bad aspects (though all may not apply) like containing overly long or one sentence plot summaries, trivia, and quotes. Per that, they need to be a small part of this list. 
If there are no objections, these will be redirected soon. Otherwise, discussion will take place here. Please remember that this is not a vote. If you like the information, that's fine and dandy, but your opinion doesn't really count towards anything. The only opinions that do count are ones that that lean towards the inclusion of real world information. TTN 22:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to concur that the episode details could be sensibly merged either into this page, or to a stand-alone 'episodes' page, so long as no information is lost. --AlisonW 23:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, this is just ridiculous. List of Birds of Prey episodes, despite the fact that such titles are almost EXCLUSIVELY reserved for articles that actual lists, and not for redirects to the main page of a series which can easily be found through search if you're actually searching for that, or could be found through the series' name... redirects. To this page. ARGH. I've had to create the attempt at a list article under Birds of Prey episodes, which just seems jarring to me, as it doesn't follow the usual naming format. Is there any way to alter a redirect so that it will point to there, or change its name to that without conflicting with the redirect? Anyway, I'm starting work on the list article; please do NOT delete full articles until it is completed, as I'm reusing a lot of the material by reformatting it (though I wish I knew how to create tables for this sort of thing as it would possibly look a little better. Maybe something like they have on List of Lucy, the Daughter of the Devil episodes?). :)  Runa27 22:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

text: ETA:I've done the first two episodes and intro, but it's still incomplete. I'll be working on adding the others, but I'll probably leaving work in a little over half an hour, and will probably not be able to complete everything today. Runa27 22:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

text: ETA again: OK, so I've got the first four episodes in sufficient detail (minus pictures, many of which I feel should be carried over). The other 9 episodes are basically listed with name, internal link and brief airing details. I may not be able to do any more for a few days, depending on how things work out. : \ Runa27 23:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode notability

message: I've never heard of it before and I think I'd know about a new series on WB if it came of in 2002.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.17.246 (talk) 18:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did this appear in America? 

message: Has there been any announcement for a R2 DVD release? Dracoster (talk) 21:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Region 2 

message: I deleted a paragraph that was simple speculation without sourcing that the series was somehow related to Smallville, which is unlikely. Plus Smallville created its own version of Black Canary anyway with no connection to this show. If someone can find an article where the writers say the show was a spinoff of Smallville, feel free to put it back, but otherwise this was textbook WP:NOR so I took it out. 70.72.223.215 (talk) 18:14, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted paragraph

message: Who were the actor & actress who played Batman & Catwoman in the opening scenes? Was the actress who played Catwoman in costume also playing Selena, right when she was murdered right in front of Helena?--Splashen (talk) 04:18, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Batman and Catwoman

message: wiki's not supposed to be original work and there's no ref's for the plot. Can anyone provide one?  
Just noticed that there's no refs pretty much for anything. People we need refs.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ImUglyButPrettyUgly (talk • contribs) 06:56, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  why is there no ref for plot? correction no ref for chars either LAZY 

message: If anyone ever decides to create a Reception section a review from TV Guide might be useful. Found it while looking for other things. -- 109.76.202.211 (talk) 01:16, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: why does the page offer up a link to BIRD of prey disambig, but not one for the BIRDS version?  it is needed to get to the 2020 movie, for example.  2601:19C:527F:A680:191:D30C:392A:A868 (talk) 04:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020 version