Talk:Darth Vader/Archive 3

message: In this section, there is no mention of Jake Lloyd who played him as a child in Ep1 TPM, and of Sabastian Shaw who played him when Vader's helmet is removed in Episode VI RotJ. I'm not positive of these names and spellings, but if no one else ads these two actors, I will come back and do it once I've had a chance to research this.
:No those two actors portrayed Anakin Skywalker not Darth Vade. Jedi6-(need help?) 02:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, but it seems weird that both actors are shown in this very article.--72.20.146.98 21:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrayals 

message: "The Jedi Master deflects the lightning with his lightsaber,scarring and deforming Palpatine's face into a wizened mask of wrinkled skin."
Palpatine could have chenged his face on purpose to help convince Anakin and the senate that the Jedi were plotting to take over.
dudtz 4/30/06 #:19 PM EST
Wasn't it really the Dark Side energies he used that scarred him? This could be supported by the Knights of the Old Republic video games, or the SW RPG, were "Darkness" has this sort of effect. It is also said in the novel "The Courtship of princess Leia" that excessive use of the Dark Side deforms the face. Or does this just apply to Nightsisters?
:I was under the impression that Siddious's dark powers drained his youth. Wrinkles maybe? Not scars? -Shadow the Edge-hog 05:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palpatine's Face 

message: Under the section talking about the transformation into vader it states the following line:
"Anakin neatly sears off both of the Sith apprentice's hands"
I was not aware that Dooku was actually a Sith apprentice, and in fact he was around during the time that Darth Maul was around as well. While it is common for there to only ever be 2 Sith (A Lord and their apprentice), it does not exclude there ever existing other Sith. I was under the impression that Dooku was an old Jedi who turned to the dark side of the force and while he may have some connection is definately not a Sith apprentice. --Enigmatical 00:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Dooku was definitely Palpatine's Sith Lord (note: not "Dark Lord") apprentice. The sequence as I understand it is Dooku leaves the Order, Maul dies on Naboo, and then Palpatine contacts Dooku. The lightsaber and novelizations alone confirm this. --maru   (talk)  contribs 01:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dooku a Sith apprentice?? 

message: Before I say anything I'll begin with the fact that I actually support two articles for Vader/Anakin. But my problem at the moment is that this article and Anakin Skywalker recount the same events. My proposal is that the Anakin Skywalker article be rewritten to focus only on Anakin, with a short paragraph discussing the events of Darth Vader. And this article be rewritten to focus only on the life of Vader, with two short paragraphs on Anakin, one focusing on his life before Vader and one focusing on his short time after his redemption. Thoughts? The Filmaker 20:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in favor of editing the articles to eliminate most of the overlap; I think this will help eliminate the constant calls for the two articles to be merged. EVula 20:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: They probably saw the "Darth Vader vs. Anakin Skywalker" line, figured it was another damn attempt to merge the two articles, and promptly ignored it. ;) EVula 21:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know I almost did ;-) Linuxbeak (drop me a line) 03:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. And thanks, EVula, I didn't see it, as I just copied what I typed on the Anakin Skywalker talk page. Thanks :). – Xolatron 15:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: While I understand the merit of this argument... I disagree. Each character (for lack of a better word) can easily have FA-amounts of content in them; to have them both combined into a single article would push the bounds of what is generally acceptable in article size. I know there's some WP policy on splitting articles along clear breaks to avoid having mega-articles (I'll trust that someone else can find the link; I'm feeling lazy), and Skywalker/Vader is one of those breaks, hence the cut. And unless Lucas specifically stated in the featurette that "the Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader Wikipedia articles should not be separated," his opinion on the matter doesn't much matter (hell, even if he did, it wouldn't). EVula 15:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darth Vader vs. Anakin Skywalker 

message: This section has become a list of characters or historical figures which resemble Darth Vader, and is more or less original research.
Removed text:
In the German Nibelungenlied that is also considered an inspiration for J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, the evil hero is Hagen von Tronje, a vassal that serves his king faithfully and cruelly, killing friend and foe alike for the sake of the empire, e.g. the hero Siegfried, or the son of Attila the Hun, by decapitation with the sword. According to Thidreks saga, he had no human father, and fathers a son on the last occasion to do so. In Richard Wagner's Götterdämmerung, Hagen eventually turns against his king, killing him. In movies, theater, opera and sculptures, Hagen is often portrayed as tall, menacing, battle-scarred, with a blind eye, dressed in black with a distinctive helmet. Also, Hagen is considered as one of the last representatives of the "old religion".
The old myths inspired many authors, and also the Nazi propaganda. The faithful and fatal Nibelungentreue, associated with Hagen, also was part of the SS ideology, quoting the Treue on their belt. The sight of a member of the SS, wearing their black uniform, the German World War II-era Stahlhelm helmet painted in black, and possibly a gas mask, certainly was a very real menace, even without additional Stormtroopers dressed in regular grey or white (winter) uniforms.
A resemblance has also been noted to the Lord of the Nazgûl, also called the Witch-King of Angmar, from J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings; both Vader and the Witch-King were formerly good men who were corrupted by evil, dress in black, have a supernaturally fearsome presence and a hidden, pale form, are kept alive unnaturally, and serve at the hands of Dark Lords.
The scene in which Vader is surgically fitted with cyborg limbs resembles the creation of the monster in the 1931 film Frankenstein; like Frankenstein's monster, Vader lies on a table to be rebuilt, the table is tilted vertically (as in Bride of Frankenstein) to allow the creature to arise and, as in numerous later Frankenstein movies, the monster breaks free of its bonds by force. The spectacular destruction of various equipment at the end of the scene, also recalls the impressive storms that usually accompany Frankenstein 'creation' scenes as well as the other cliché of the Monster destroying the laboratory (Bride of Frankenstein, Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man etc.)
Unless someone can offer a reliable source indicating that any of these inspired or were inspired by Darth Vader, they don't belong in the article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archetypes and role models for Darth Vader 

message: Could someone who speaks Hebrew take a look at the Hebrew version of this article and see if there are any good ideas there that could improve this article? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew featured article 

message: The artial states:
"In A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, Vader is the epitome of pure evil - a mass murderer and war criminal who holds an entire galaxy under the sway of an evil empire, and, on a more personal scale, the killer of Luke Skywalker's father, Anakin Skywalker."
I don't want to start a Anakin vs Vader fight but I think this should be cut out. As we all know Vader told Luke "I am your Father!" - LCpl 16:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. This fact is mentioned below, under the  tag. I've been trying to rewrite this so that there aren't any untagged spoilers, and part of that includes not giving away the dramatic revelation in ESB. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vader Killed Anakin 

message: There are two many uncited statements on this article now so unless something is done by say a weeks time it will have its GA status removed. --Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 18:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working on it, I'm working on it. Right now, I'm busy working on redundant material and lousy prose first. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Un - Cited 

message: To whoever keeps reverting my changes to the Darth Vader article: KNOCK IT OFF!! You are of course welcome to make changes, but undoing someone's work wholesale just because you can is, frankly, petty and immature.
Treybien 19:07 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:It's not just being I can, it's because you're reordering the article again without comment, reinstating a lot of plot summary about and references to Anakin Skywalker, and undoing some discussed edits without discussion. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts 

message: I understand that you want this article to be more about Darth Vader than his former persona of Anakin Skywalker, but I think the "Prequel trilogy" section needs more detailed biographical information and better editing. For example, more information on his relationships with Palpatine, Obi-Wan, and Padmé would, I think, make it a better article.
Treybien 18:37 19 June 2006 (UTC)
:This article is over 40K, and we already have an Anakin Skywalker article, as well as individual articles for each of these movies. How many times do we have to duplicate the same plot summaries? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anakin 

message: There is a germanic/nordic language (the name eludes me at the moment) but it may be worth noting that in this language the word "vader" translates to "father."
* Yes, "Vader" is Dutch for father.  It is already in the "Behind the Scenes" Section. Aericanwizard 22:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Both of the images that have been in the infobox lately suck, but for different reasons. :Image:DVader.jpeg is high-quality, but not terribly illustrative; it doesn't show chest detail at all, conceals a third of the face, and is photographed at an angle that without being obviously so unless you already know what Vader looks like. On the other hand, :Image:VaderESB.jpg is a better illustration, with a straight-on view of the face and a view of the shoulders and chest detail, but it's obviously cropped from a not-so-great DVD screenshot.
Can someone come up with a better-quality image that is at least as illustrative as VaderESB? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. I found one. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox images 

message: The Jedi Prophecy is a frequent source of debate among fans. In particular, Anakin's status as the Chosen One is regularly disputed. His role in the destruction of the Jedi was an ancillary one, as much of the plan was already underway long before his fall from grace. Still, Anakin's pivotal role is indisputable, ranging from his intervention in Windu and Sidious' duel in the Chancellor's office to the enormous influence that his progeny wield in the original trilogy as well as the Expanded Universe.
Many fans argue that Anakin fulfilled the Jedi Prophecy by bringing a new "balance" to the Force by nearly eliminating the Jedi. In this viewpoint, the Jedi and the Sith metaphorically represent two opposing weights on a scale, with an excess of either disrupting the balance of the Force. Adherents of this view find it particularly noteworthy that, by the end of Episode III, there is a precisely equal number of Jedi and Sith: Yoda and Obi-Wan, Sidious and Vader. Frequently cited as evidence for this interpretation is Yoda's warning to Obi-Wan that the prophecy "misread, could have been." In the Episode III DVD featurette "The Chosen One," Lucas summarizes as follows: "The Prophecy is that Anakin will bring balance to the Force and destroy the Sith. He becomes Darth Vader; Darth Vader does become the hero, Darth Vader does destroy the Sith; meaning himself and the Emperor. He does it because he is redeemed by his son." Lucas gave a similar explanation in the final VHS release of the original trilogy in November 2000: "[In] Episodes IV, V and VI,...Anakin's offspring redeem him, and allow him to fulfill the Prophecy, and bring balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith, and getting rid of evil in the universe."
It is presumed that the Chosen One of the Jedi prophecy must be of virgin birth (as Anakin was), since Yoda for instance, despite his historical number of midi-chlorians, is never regarded as a candidate for the prophecy. However, the exact text of the prophecy is never revealed in the films, so it may not be possible to conclude that the Chosen One must be born of a virgin. One possible piece of evidence supporting this theory comes from an early draft of A New Hope. A quote was originally to precede the "A Long Time Ago" text:
:...and in a time of greatest despair,
:there shall come a savior, and he shall
:be known as the Son of the Suns.
:Journal of the Whills 3:127
This gives a clue to Anakin's residence on Tatooine, which has twin suns. Indeed, at the conclusion of Episode I and Episode VI, a voice in the cheering crowd can be heard to cry out "The Son of Suns!", thus giving weight to this being a possible portion of the prophecy.
Also, Vader's story goes hand in hand with the old "Sithari" prophecy, which was briefly mentioned in the video game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, in which it is said that one Sith would destroy the Jedi, then lead the Sith to greatness, but, at the same time, ensure their utter destruction.
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Nearly none of this is sourced, and I can't imagine how it could be encyclopedic even if it were. Does anyone want to redeem this mess, or just leave it out of the article? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Possible interpretations of the Jedi prophecy" section 

message: The other side of the argument is misrepresented here. The Behind the Scenes heading only talks about how some people don't think Vader was meant to be Luke's father in ANH. However, if you look at Sir Alec Guiness's acting when he explains his relationship to Luke's father, he's being evasive and it's obvious he's hiding something.
I think there's a difference between what a character says and what's going on in his head. Maybe Lucas didn't really know at that point where that would go, but the fact he directed Guiness to act that way means that he was at least considering something other than the letter of what Obi-Wan says. We should give him the benefit of the doubt. Jean seb 19:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Vader killing/being Anakin Skywalker 

message: :Lucas claims that, as a masked and suited Darth Vader, Anakin has roughly 80% of the power of the Emperor, making him still incredibly powerful. Had he sustained none of his injuries on Mustafar, he would have been about twice as powerful as the Emperor. That means that he has achieved just 40% of his full potential during his lifetime.
Please don't add this to the article unless you can source it. In fact, don't put it back in the article at all, please, as it's inane cruft.  - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:48, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More unsourced junk 

message: In a recent revert, you removed a bit about Vader dueling Fett. Why did this get removed? I have the comic that it happened in; if the lack of a source is why it was removed, I can remedy that.
If it's another reason, I'm fine with it being removed (uh, well, as long as the reason isn't something like "I just felt like it"); I'm just making sure that it isn't something I could help with. EVula 15:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sauce plz ;D (Yeah, because it was unsourced.) - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I found the source. I knew it was in one of the Tales compilations, and of course it was the last one I looked at... I added the section back in, while rewording the intro a bit to actually mention (and link to) the source. EVula 02:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, that particular Tales story is still entirely Infinities, and thus shouldn't be mentioned in the article except possibly as a "behind the scenes" tidbit or some such. Unless you can provide proof of its canonization? I admit I'm know expert at which bits of Tales comics have been inserted into mainstream continuity. Jon Hart 21:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I should think that canon would matter insofar as the article is concerned with relating to readers the story arc and included exploits of the fictional character. Even fictional worlds have their own rules and laws, and if events in stories that are not a part of the official continuity are to be mentioned, the article should qualify them as such. Splinter of the Mind's Eye would not need such a disclaimer, for example, as it remains canon, unlike Vader's lightsaber duel with Boba Fett. Jon Hart 02:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Canonicity isn't something that really concerns non-SW-fan readers, and we're not here to tell a fictional biography but instead give an overview of Vader's use in fiction. I think we could probably summarize all of the comic appearances in a single paragraph. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a quick comment, I feel that noting a story's canonicity (or lack thereof) is perfectly in-line with writing about fiction in an out-of-universe way (I'm sure there is plenty of stuff here that doesn't concern non-SW-fan readers; it doesn't mean we should remove it). As for summarizing the comic appearances, I don't think that we should condense them all. The bit about him dueling with Fett is a very minor bit of information, whereas the section about Vader's Quest is fairly major (in regards to the character, and neverminding the fact that that article is slim). Just consolidate the barely notable stuff (similar to how Vader's appearances in Star Wars: Empire are mentioned in passing). EVula 14:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert quest (for AMiB) 

message: I quote: ...revealing a scarred, sad man in his 40's, who,...
Is Darth Vader really in his 40's at the time of his death? or at least, can this be cited in some way? Teh tennisman 23:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he was roughly about twenty when he fell to the Dark Side, and Luke was roughly about twenty when the second Death Star blew... that said, it is entirely speculation. Changing it to "middle-aged man" was a good call. EVula 02:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anakin was 23 in Episode III and Luke was 19 in Episode IV. Vader was 46 when he died, so he would indeed have been in his forties at the time. That's just FYI, though, the article reads fine as it is. Jon Hart 21:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darth's age? 

message: Hopefully I won't upset the person who wrote this, but the following is much too crufty and as such I have removed it from the article.
:Darth Vader is a brilliant strategist and one of the greatest pilots in the galaxy. Vader still possesses his former persona's amazing engineering skills, having overseen the design of the TIE/Advanced fighter and the construction of the second Death Star. His talent with the lightsaber is legendary. All of these skills, however, are secondary to his incredible mastery of the Force. He was born with the highest known midi-chlorian count in the history of the galaxy, surpassing that of both Yoda and the Emperor. However, Lucas states that his injuries on Mustafar cost Vader much of his Force potential. Even after his injuries on Mustafar cost him a measure of Force-aptitude, he remains incredibly powerful. The loss of his natural hands are the reason he cannot create Force lightning, as Dooku and Palpatine could. (Note: In the Star Wars comic book Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Darth Vader can be seen using Force lightning. )The Visual Dictionary of Star Wars, Episode III ()
:His signature method of imposing terror is using the Force to choke people. This may echo Vader's own frustration at his injuries. In its appraisal of Vader's injuries, the Star Wars Technical Commentaries states: "Was the physically oppressive nature of Vader's breathing difficulties great enough to affect his disposition or add to his aggression? Perhaps it is significant that he used telekinetic strangulation more often then [sic] any other method of intimidating or killing those who frustrated him." 
:Vader also has great physical strength in his cybernetic limbs, which he demonstrates in his first and last appearances in the original trilogy: lifting a Rebel captain by the throat with one hand in A New Hope, and picking up the Emperor and hurling him to his death in Return of the Jedi. The Expanded Universe has shown him punching through the skulls of savage animals and bludgeoning opposing Jedi to their knees with one blow.
:Anakin was trained in Form III lightsaber combat by Obi-Wan, one of the greatest swordsmen in the galaxy, and quickly developed incredible skill in the form. Despite this Anakin never really mastered Form III. Due to his aggressive nature his lightsaber skills took him torwards Form V lightsaber combat. However, his fighting style retained some elements of Form III lightsaber combat even after his fall to the dark side.
:In battle, Darth Vader lacked the mobility and ease he once had, but his bionic suit gave him great strength. His blows were forceful even when using only one arm to fight. He was calm when fighting, rarely using acrobatics. He struck to kill and used psychology and his appearance to intimidate his foes. When striking with both hands on the grip of his lightsaber, he was able to pound his enemies with an onslaught of strong but somewhat slow strikes. This fighting style contrasted with Anakin's style before his disfigurement, which utilized more speed and acrobatics.
All of this information is already in the main article, and if there is any sourced material that isn't, then it should be merged into the relevant section of the article. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cruft 

message: I'm going to try a new lede on this article that strikes a better balance of alluding to the full depth of the Vader character, before the spoiler warning. Ivymike21 04:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Lede 

message: I am not really sure as to why people removed brand new photos of Vader that I put here inside of this article  www.geocities.com/berniethomas68 06:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brand New Photos of Vader 

message: Quote from the article:Position
Dark Lord of the Sith, Imperial Commander-in-Chief (Military Executor) 
I do not belive Vader is a 'Dark Lord of the Sith'. He is just a Sith Lord, am I correct? Does this need to be changed? Superstarwarsfan 03:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny -- I'm more curious as to where this "commander-in-chief" stuff comes from. --EEMeltonIV 03:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sith title 

message: I was going to add some more additional pictures of Vader to the article if no one has a problem or any objections with that  www.geocities.com/berniethomas68 01:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More pictures for the article / Any objections 

message: Vader in dutch means father in english. This should be put in the main article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.182.131 (talk) 04:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vader 

message: Isn't saying that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker in the Intro a spoiler? If you haven't seen any of the movies
it would be giving away a major plot point and twist. 
dark567
well it has grown very popular in everday life.Lokon40 03:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler 

message: If Obi -Wan were actually trying to fight Vader in Episode 4, would he have won? They are both old but I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan could have won.--suit-n-tie 06:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ben knew he would lose. McDonaldsGuy 14:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense.--Atomic-Super-SuitWhat Have I Done?!  19:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Although not stated, it's implied that Kenobi 'knew' that he would lose. "He's not dead... not yet."
Yoda921 06:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vader vs Ben Kenobi 

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thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: There is no mention of the ominous "I am your father" line, surprisingly. JaderVason 21:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: he could have said "I was going to but I realised there where laws against suicide" ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 22:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That wasn't his reponse...
LUKE: He told me enough. He told me you killed him!
VADER: No - I am your father.
@ Trivia (?)
Vader =~= Vater (german 4 father)
Yoda921 06:45, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am your father 

message: This one always bothered me. I know that Palpatine is considered the greatest Sith ever, but, Darth Vader seems to be the one doing all of the lightsaber fighting, while the Emperor just sits and watches. So, basically Darth Vader is one of the main reasons Palpatine is feared. Does anyone else agree? sean7gordon@epix.net 11/8/06
:This isn't a messageboard to discuss things like that.  This is meant to be used to discuss how to make the article better.  Cheers --DarthBinky 02:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Darth Vader had the POTENTIAL to become the "ultimate sith" due to his sky-high midichlorian count. However losing the duel to Obi-wan cut his abilities considerably. Consequently, Palps was left to be the "ultimate Sith".
Palpatine admitted this himself. "Darth Vader shall become more powerful than either of us"
Yoda921 11:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

text: All sith call themselvs the greatest though.--Jakezing (talk) 20:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Vader the ultimate Sith? 

message: I can't believe that wookiepedia merged the Anakin Skywalker article with the Darth vader article. In terms of size, it would explode (believe me the content on wookiepedian articles like that are huge). Also, it is clear that Darth vader is different from Anakin Skywalker with or without the suit. Either way, HE said it himself that he is not Anakin Skywalker at anymore.
What i'm trying to say is, please, do not change the Wiki articles on the two articles that wookie merged. Probably some do****** did it for some reason to fit himself. Hmph, ever since they started removing the special articles links (in the from of like eg: this place is just a big desert. With some really unfriendly inhabitants] (i just made this up.), and now they removed this links, which not only do leaves people asking, "what is this referring to" But it makes them seem just lazy, unlike before. And to think they say it "clutters it up", Well, isn't the point of wookiepedia to be the most detailed and elaborate star wars wiki ever??
all I'm saying is, wookiepedia has changed man. it should go back into its original glory, to the time where the order and archives were completely detailed and elaborate, where the quotes linked to many articles themselves, and the links to there articles, where in sentences and simple words like "this". Traitors!!!! (supporters of the merge)
Pece Kocovski 08:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  *Grumble* bureaucratic Morons 

message: There has been revert removing Darth Vader from the Star Wars villains list. I disagree with this, redeemed or not, he's still a villain. People are acting like "Oh, he's redeemed, now all those villainous things he did are poof!" Villains are villains. George Lucas intended for Darth Vader to be a villain (who was redeemed, but still). He is not a good guy, so he must be a bad guy. I am discussing this here because it currently says in the category section <Do not add this category!> by a person who has failed to explain why he does not qualify as a a villain. It even says in the second paragraph "Vader is one of the most iconic villains in movie history", so he IS a villain. Anakin isn't, but Vader is. 
So he should qualify for the Star Wars Villains category. But some say he doesn't. Why not?--DeadGuy 00:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's already in :Category:Star Wars Sith characters, which is a sub-category of :Star Wars villains (and is also a sub-cat of :Category:Dark Lords). - jc37 00:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Palpatine are all in those categories and in the villain category. Darth Vader is both a dark lord, villain, and sith (as is Palpatine, who seems to not apply to this logic).--DeadGuy 01:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: If they are, it means that, while I'm sure well-meaning editors added them, they too should be removed. - jc37 02:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Villains 

message: Even on Wookipedia there's only one article for Skywalker. They are one character. Regardless of the two being different personas, identities or even personalities.--Gonzalo84 02:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been discussed to death.  Basically they're two separate articles because otherwise we'd have one really huge article.  This way it's two large articles instead- it's easier to manage.  Cheers --DarthBinky 02:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are other reasons as well - See also Clark Kent and Superman. - jc37 07:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And you don't know how split the decision about the merge was on Wookieepedia. The article only merged due to policy, there was no consensus otherwise. Jasca Ducato 09:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The articles shouldn't be merged, as they are completely different entities, as already stated. Merging this would be like merging Clark Kent into Superman. RC-0722 247.5/1 17:53, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: How come Vader was 6'1" when he was a Jedi, but 6'7" as a Sith. -- Tim, 3 February, 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.130.11 (talk) 22:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In case you didn't know, the armor made him look taller and intimidating, and he was about 2 metres. --Addict 2006 23:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height 

message: I think there should be a new picture of vader. That one at the top has been on for ages.Lokon40 02:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: There is currently a link to an Anakin Skywalker page in the intro, but said Anakin Skywalker page redirects back to Darth Vader, so it is pointless. I would fix the problem myself, but I cannot edit this page, so I must resort to pointing it out here. 69.246.150.153 02:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Onikage725 00:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Anakin Skywalker" in the intro 

message: Since the character was born and died as Anakin Skywalker, why not make that the name of the article, with "Darth Vader" redirecting to the point of Skywalker's fall from grace? Lucas himself has stated that the movies are Anakin's story, why unify the article under the umbrella of his alternate identity? --CmdrClow 08:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume its a common name thing, for familiarity and whatnot. You do bring up a good point, though. By the same token, Palpatines article isn't "Darth Sidious," and one can't really argue familiarity there as he was previously known as simply the emperor (likewise the article on Count Dooku rather than Darth Tyranus). Onikage725 19:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anakin's name as the title of the article 

message: Please do not protect the main page of this article because there are errors what need to be corrected. Grumpanelli 12:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protect 

message: *Support - The sad fact is that the articles were redundant. If they could be sectioned off, then maybe I could see the point. But wanting to keep the Anakin article as-is smacks of fanboyism. I don't mean that as an insult, but the two articles' "History" sections are nearly identical. Remove the redundant portions from the Anakin article and you are literally left with the first half of the opening paragraph... and that's about it. Onikage725 14:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support the articles on Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker being merged 

message: *Oppose - Not only due to the previous discussions, but for the reasons of those discussions. One of the best examples I can think of is Superman and Clark Kent. Each article deals directly with each persona of the character, even though each persona is a single person. Also, there are length concerns. See also: Wikipedia:Featured article criteria. - jc37 16:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose the articles on Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker being merged 

message: I remove these lines :
"In France, Vader is known as Dark Vador (and, therefore, Dark replaces Darth for the French names of all other Sith Lords). One explanation could be that the French use le water-closet as slang for "toilet", and aller aux waters for "going to the toilet". Since the French pronunciation of "water" sounds somewhat similar to "Vader", the name was changed to avoid puns. However, Quebec French does not use the aforementioned slang terms, and so Vader keeps his original name in French Canada."
The firt part is true: Darth Vader is known as "Dark Vador" in France but the alleged explanation looks like a joke. Actually, "darth" was replaced by "dark" because the sound "th-" doesnt exist in french and is quite impossible to pronunce for a french speaker (particularly in that case where "th" is following a consonant). Same thing for "vador" : it sounds better in french and is closer from the original word than the french pronunciation of "vader".
Why is this relevant.Darth Anzeruthi 18:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  French pronunciation 

message: Last Sentence, Fourth Paragraph under "Expanded Universe" states "...On Mimban, Luke nearly defeats Vader, severing his right arm, and Vader suffers massive injuries when he falls into a pit."
Whos arm is this refering to? Luke's or Vader's? With the inclusion of this sentence there are now at least 3 times one of these two peoples arms get sabered. Could we have some clarification on the "timeline of the arms"?
As far as I know it goes like this: for Vader:
a) as Anakin - by Dooku in SW1 - right arm.
b) as Vader - by Luke on Mimban - right arm.
c) as Vader - by Luke in SW6 (on the bridge) - right arm again or left this time? (no wonder Vader could get pissed at Luke ;) ).
for Luke:.
a) by Vader in SW4.
Anymore - for either? I seem to recall reading some other times but I can't remember. 
--Chovynz 13:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arms/Prosthetics 

message: I've noticed someone has created an article called Nooooooooooo!!!!, which redirects to Darth Vader.  This seems frivolous to say the least.  Is it usual practice? Mark H Wilkinson 07:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Redirects are cheap, and if someone has been living under a rock and has no idea what that refers to, it'll take them to the right place. Yes, it is silly, but it isn't hurting anything. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I highly doubt anybody is goign to type in the correct amount of o's and exclimation points to arrive at this page. hbdragon88 16:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: That was swift.  Hurray for R3! hbdragon88 17:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nooooooooooo!!!! 

message: I see that someone has tagged the article as having a too-long plot summary.  Personally, I think the length is about right, especially considering the substantial cultural significance of this character.  We were recently discussing plot summary at the talkpage of WP:FICTION, and the consensus there was that it's not the total number of words that's important, it's the relative percentage of plot summary as compared to the rest of the article.  So, with that in mind, is it alright if I remove the "plot" tag?  Or what do other editors think? --Elonka 22:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For a character that spans four films (or six + a TV series if you count Anakin) and is such a juggernaut of a cultural icon, I think the length of the plot section is just fine. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree. The article's balance is decent. — Deckiller 00:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary 

message: Didn't it?
:Wha?--Jakezing (talk) 23:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The SkyOne Program Orginally Aired On Bravo in the US? 

message: Please, can someone help clean it up? Though I've been using Wikipedia for a long time (I know how to link!) that's prettymuch all I can do. Except be very clever, which I am (and so modest, too). I don't think iMacs are optomised for Wikipediaing very much, and a lot of the tools on the top of the edit page don't work. So, can someone help me look good? Thanks.
:The tools work fine in Safari for me.
:As for "cleaning up" the quotes section, this actually isn't the project for quotations. There's actually a whole different project for that, called Wikiquote. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 12:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, I edit from a G5 iMac at home... unless you're still running OS9 (and therefore using IE 5), there shouldn't be an issue (and you can just type four ~s). EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wait! Don't Delete that Quotes Section! 

message: Issue #1: Surely the Chad Vader series should be mentioned? If someone with good Wikipedia skills doesn't feel like adding it, I'll get around to it eventually.
Issue #2: Can we get a cite on the "Ned's Declassied School" thing?Ball of pain 19:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Chad Vader is mentioned under Cultural Figure, as are many other parodies. To that end, I deleted the parodies section and rolled its spaceballs paragraph into the Cultural figure section. I also deleted the Gonzo reference (since it already existed under that section) and the Ned's Declassified School reference (since it lacked a citation). Ned's can easily be added back to that section, with a citation. I also deleted the Trivia section - both per WP:Trivia and because it was redundant to the discussion of his name. I went to be WP:Bold, and got a little carried away, perhaps. Best, ZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  21:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parodies / Cultural Figure 

message: I took out the following sentence from the first paragraph in the Portrayals section.
:Orson Welles was originally considered for the role, but Jones was cast instead.
I just couldn't think of a way to keep it in there without breaking the continuity. But if someone can come up with a good way, please feel free. Also though, it could probably use the help of a citation as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by WDavis1911 (talk • contribs) 06:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orson Wells - Vader 

message: I really think the main picture of Vader is terrible. Its nowhere near powerful enough. Hes looking upwards/we are looking down on him which suggests weakness. Suggest new pic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.77.174 (talk) 07:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vader picture 

message: I'll need other people to back me on this, but at the end of A New Hope, it isn't a freak collision that sends Vader flying into space. When the Millennium Falcon shows up, he shoots down Darth Vader's right wingman, then when the left wingman looks up to see where the fire came from, he collides with Darth Vader. To call this a "freak collision" is inaccurate, especially when dealing with Star Wars, where that might be construed as the force made them collide. —Comment added by Sourberville 11:01, 5 December 2007(UTC)
: i reverted the edit made yesterday because to say that fire from the MF caused him to spin-off is also slightly inaccurate.  I agree with what you're written entirely, edit the article.  And the preview button is your friend :) Thedarxide (talk) 16:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freak Collision? 

message: Who plays him when he finally sees Luke eye to eye?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.70.75.92 (talk) 10:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ?? 

message: Yes you heard me right. Both him and Yoda are to appear in the forth installment to the Soul-series. Source # one & # two. FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 00:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: More official news from  star wars.com and a trailer from Namco. FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 02:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To be a playable character in [[Soulcalibur IV]]? 

message: I think it needs some triming and attention. It's the type of section that can grow out of dontrol quickly. Ridernyc (talk) 04:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Figure 

message: The description of this image is "The first appearance of Darth Vader in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope.". He also appeared in episode 3. If the chronological appearance is wanted, and not the 'timeline' one, I think it should be mentioned. diego_pmc (talk) 15:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the first time he sohwed up EVER, were not in universe on this, were out of universe therfor, its the FIRST time he shows up, is tantive 4 on IV--Jakezing (talk) 23:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "First appearance" image 

message: There is nothing under the apperiances for episodeIII, someone should add it asap.--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 00:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fix the bump. RC-0722 communicator/kills 01:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ep.III 

message: Could we add a picture of Stewie Vader from Blue Harvest to the section of the article that mentions the episode?--172.134.203.34 (talk) 00:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darth Stewie Picture 

message: *Two assertions are cited to TheForce.net editorials, which in turn cite printed material. Can anyone perchance provide citation material for those printed items, which would be much more reliable -- and a necessary step toward FA status -- than the fansite editorial.
*An assertion about JEJ lack of credit in RotS is cited to IMDb, which I don't think is generally considered a reliable source.
My two credits. --EEMIV (talk) 01:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When it comes to the credits from a film IMDb is a totally reliable source, especially when noting actors, voice or otherwise, who are uncredited. Crew credits are also reliable. It is trivia and goofs where they need to be taken with a grain of salt. Yes we did somehow cross in our editing. I was trying to remove the reference to Ray Milland as the face under the mask in RotJ. My apologies for messing up the info that you were putting in. MarnetteD | Talk 01:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't doubt it's true, and I like at TFN all the time -- but, the site doesn't meet Wikipedia's WP:V standards. --EEMIV (talk) 02:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with three sources 

message: Wikipedia: Reliable sources - Are wikis reliable sources  specifies that wikis are not allowed as reference sources. IMDb falls under that definition as it has solely user-generated content, and, as noted elsewhere at Wikipedia:Reliable sources, IMDb does not "have adequate levels of editorial oversight or author credibility and lack assured persistence."
Newsday is a major newspaper with a direct quote from Jones. There's no justification for removing a reliable, direct citation with IMDb rumors. Where did IMDb get that information? IT IS UNSOURCED.--24.215.162.198 (talk) 16:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding IMDb 

message: "Perhaps non-coincidentally, his name sounds very similar to that of one of the central protagonists of the Russian writer and paleontologist Ivan Efremov's 1957 science fiction novel Andromeda Nebula, Dar Veter (sounds similar to better), an retiring Director of the Outer Stations, the near-Earth satellites. The name in Russian means Gift Wind. The novel was made into a film in 1967, as The Andromeda Nebula."
Not referenced at all. I'll remove if nobody objects. Superstarwarsfan (talk) 22:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, let's remove it. Dorftrottel (ask) 03:02, May 7, 2008
Agreed. Just the fact it begins with "Perhaps, non-coincidentally" means it is original research. Azn Clayjar (talk) 20:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible original research 

message: Why is there absolutely nothing on his iconic breathing disorder due to his prothstetic suit. It should say something on this, it's cultural signifigance, and maybe even a audio clip of Vader's breathing. 76.105.204.255 (talk) 22:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: if you have to ask you shouldn't be on this article.--Jakezing (talk) 20:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breathing 

message: Anakin didn't become Darth Vader when he donned the suit. He became Darth Vader when he pledged his allegiance to the Emperor. Should rework the article, because his assault on Corusant was as Darth Vader, so it shouldn't be on Anakin's page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.11.15 (talk) 19:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actions as Vader 

message: I think darth vader and anakin can be merged
:This topic has been done to death.  Care to share what new viewpoint you can bring? Thedarxide (talk) 08:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge the articles 

message: Can anyone confirm (and include it in the article) that none of the cast really knew that Darth Vader WAS Luke's father. Someone told me, that the script originally said "I killed your father", and nobody knew until the scene was shot. Harry2o (talk) 19:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who knew he was Luke's father 

message: :There is this line in the article:
:"Aboard the second Death Star, which is being constructed in orbit"
:Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that it was the original Death Star, being repaired.
:There is a scene shot, as it is approached, of a half blown-up Death Star, not a new one constructed from scratch.
:Hence the comment: "yes, it is fully operational"... GW-Dragonrider (talk) 05:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a new one. Thedarxide (talk) 17:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Star 

message: The "Species" section of the infobox seems to be more complicated than necessary. Surely his species is simply human. The cybernetic modifications have no bearing on this. If nobody objects then I will change it. 86.7.31.118 (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Change it, he's human. Thedarxide (talk) 17:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Labalius (talk) 20:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is "partially human cyborg" a species? 

message: I propose this page become a starred article. Discuss?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.9.28 (talk) 00:49, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs some significant stylistic improvements first.Ekwos (talk) 22:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starred Article? 

message: Too much of this article is in the form of random lists.  Whether or not the information is "valid" this is bad style.  The lists should be tied together in a coherent narrative form or eliminated as bad style.Ekwos (talk) 22:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many lists 

message: I am (relatively) new to Wikipedia and still learning the ropes, but I remember seeing something from LuscasArts about the fact that the breathscreeen from the original trilogy was not symmetrical and that they fixed it with Episode III.  Can someone locate a picture of the two screens for a "Behind the Scenes" section?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.62.47.83 (talk) 00:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vader's suit 

message: Can Vader be considered as Anakin's archenemy? Because the prequel trilogy follows Anakin's struggle with his dark side, which can be portayed by Vader. What do you say? Leader Vladimir — Preceding undated comment added 00:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vader as Anakin's enemy 

message: Do they both need FULL bios for him? The Anakin article covers straight through. The Vader article covers the OT then doubles back to the PT. If we're to have two articles, there really shouldn't be so much double coverage. And considering that aside from the introduction, the Anakin article is nothing BUT said bio, I fail to see the overwhelming need for two. I know "its been discussed to death" but I just want a logical answer to that question. If we remove all content from the Anakin article that is covered on the Vader article, we are left with enough information to, say, put on a character list. If we keep two articles, I STRONGLY feel we should treat them as two seperate entities. Cover the Jedi Anakin's info on that page and the Sith Lord Vader's info here.
I don't know if this helps or not, but Wookieepeida conciders them as one article. --Imagine Wizard (talk • contribs •  count) Iway amway Imagineway Izardway. 03:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two articles question 

message: kot zanimivost naj povem da je imel rad hrcke na raznju!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.37.30.219 (talk) 19:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  dart vader 

message: From the article:
"Vader wasn't planning to overthrow the emperor at all, and that he was just using him to expose the enemies of the empire."
Not true.
While Vader disrupts the meeting of the rebels, Starkiller asks Vader if he never wanted to overthrow the emperor, he replies "Yes, but not with you". Probably referring to his son, Luke. (But that is OR)
Robin.lemstra (talk) 13:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overthrowing the Emperor 

message: Seth MacFarlane provided the voice of Vader in the episode. He is refered to as vader throughout. This was approved by Lucas. It is the same.--Jojhutton (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I posted on your talk page, regardless of whether he was referred to as Vader, it was Stewie. However, that's all beside the point, as the section is for canonical portrayals of Vader, which this is not. You don't seen listings for Vader in various fanfilms or other parodies, do you? Also, you should take a look at the (oftentimes heated) discussions on the James T. Kirk talk page - consensus seems to be limiting portrayals to canonical/licensed dramatic presentations - which the Family Guy episodes most certainly are not. Do not add this back in, as it does not belong in the article. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 23:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While I understand he may have been referred to as Vader throughout (I've never seen the episode) you a) need to prove that Lucas approved him as a Darth Vader character as you just claimed, and b) provide a cast listing or similar reliable source that credits MacFarlane as Darth Vader or even Vader, not just Stewie. While TheRealFenn may argue that it needs to be canonical too, you need to cover those other points before any editor should approve. I'm tempted to agree with TheRealFenn, though, that it needs to be at least a licensed dramatic representation, which I highly doubt. KhalfaniKhaldun 23:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the credits posted on IMDB, I see no listing for Seth McFarland playing Darth Vader - Stewie, yes; Vader, no. Case closed, IMHO. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 23:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When did using one wiki to support an argumant on this wiki become common practice?--Jojhutton (talk) 01:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB is a rather limited wiki. Cast listing is one of those things that - as far as I know - can't be edited by most users. However, even if he didn't prove anything, the burden of proof is on you. KhalfaniKhaldun 01:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, I wouldn't even call the IMDB a wiki, since (as the editor above points out) it is not open to anyone to edit it freely. And from the looks of it, Jojhutton, consensus went against you last night on the Vader issue, so hopefully you'll see the error of your ways, since this has been argued and decided on other pages with similar circumstances. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 15:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who portrayed Vader 

message: I noticed that "Darth" might be a portmanteau of "dark" and "death", anyone else notice that? --172.163.44.226 (talk) 04:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In this interview with Rolling Stone, George Lucas says that "'Darth' is a variation of dark. And 'Vader' is a variation of father. So it's basically Dark Father." Ella Vader (talk) 22:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Darth" origin? 

message: You should have put some spoiler warnings, silly mongrels.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.82.40.185 (talk) 17:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia contains spoilers. ;) KhalfaniKhaldun 18:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And the game has been out long enough. Jasca Ducato (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. It's a big and unexpected spoiler (in some contexts, it's predicable, but not here). Even though wikipedia contains spoilers, there's no harn in adding the warning. 190.177.140.147 (talk) 15:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks for spoiling The Force Unleashed 

message: From the second paragraph
"Darth Vader right arm is to deflect blaster shots from any type of gun."
Besides not really fitting in with that paragraph, there is clearly a word missing from the sentence.
--24.228.20.12 (talk) 17:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical error in article? 

message: There's a polish death metal band named after Darth Vader. Just wondering if it's notable or not. FailureAtDeath (talk) 02:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really :) Thedarxide (talk) 07:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vader Band 

message: The information about Vader in the book The Glove of Darth Vader is gone. Can someone please explain why and also can restore that?
--Victory93 (talk) 23:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanded Universe literature 

message: This character has been proven to be the same thing as Anakin Skywalker, so in that light I suggest it be merged into said page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirius85 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Lengthy debate has led to a concensus with the current siutation Thedarxide (talk) 20:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: However fast this talk page archives should be cut down now; there is currently nothing in archives 4, 5, 6, or 7. Flyer22 (talk) 21:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving speed 

message: Darth Vader was killed because Palpatine's Force lightning short circuited his life-support systems.  The expanded universe makes that clear. 75.157.120.15 (talk) 04:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of Death