Talk:List of tornadoes striking downtown areas of large cities

message: What counts as "downtown"? Does it have to be the central business district, or just the city limits? Ardric47 03:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Central business district. It should also be a decent-sized city (at least 50,000 or anchoring a metropolitan area of 100,000). CrazyC83 23:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Suburbs do not count. It has to hit the central business district. Otherwise there would be many others - including some F4's and F5's - on here. CrazyC83 02:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of "Downtown" 

message: Added Richmond and Petersburg VA tornadoes; this data was checked via NCDC storm reports and the Virginia Emergency Management archive of Virginia tornado statistics; the Petersburg tornado is also linked to the Wikipedia article for the 1993 Virginia tornado outbreak.
I did not add the super outbreak tornadoes that struck Xenia, OH and Huntsville, AL; though they passed through part of the CBD I was unable to locate a detailed maps of the precise path to verify this.  I think both storms probably warrant inclusion however.
Davidals 02:42, 03 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richmond & Petersburg Tornadoes 

message: I don't know if it's me, but based on the tornado track, doesn't seem that it hit downtown Evansville - more like the southeastern suburbs which is probably a good 10-15 miles away from downtown. If Evansville is on the list, you might as well add the Birmingham F5's of 1977 and 1998 which were located just a few miles northwest of downtown Birmingham and ditto for the Louisville tornado of 1974 and Tuscaloosa in 2000 and the 1975 Omaha tornado (I've added the 1913 Easter Sunday event that killed 103 and hit the downtown portion before crossing into Iowa). --JForget 20:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, the Barrie tornado did not hit downtown in 1985 and the recent tornado in New Orleans, I presume did not hit downtown as well and I'm removing the central Florida tornado as the city does not meet the criteria of 50,000 cities - it has 20,000-25,000 much like Xenia.--JForget 02:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes; likewise, downtown OKC wasn't hit in May 99 nor was Moore nor is Moore large enough, and I don't think Kenner/New Orleans should be listed either. Evolauxia 06:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Evansville tornado

message: I see this has been discussed before, but I don't think the definition of downtown is correct in this article. I thought this page was dedicated to "tornadoes that hit relatively large cities" and not just defined as "tornadoes that hit the downtowns of large cities"? For example, the Huntsville tornado hit a section of south Huntsville but not really near the downtown area...I think that if we include something like this then we need to include something like the Oklahoma City tornado. I mean, that F5 got pretty close to the city, practically going around it. The Huntsville tornado should def. be in there, but I was just thinking that maybe we should review the terms for being listed in this article? Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 06:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huntsville and similar should not be included, this listing only regards downtown/CBD of large cities.  Some of us try to remove erroneous listings but it's a never ending task.  Evolauxia 06:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Downtown

message: The problems of determining what constitutes a central business district/downtown area and what size city counts as a threshold have been elaborated on above.  Some kind of stricter standardization is still in order.  Addition of events not meeting the "consensus" so far laid out continually require purging.  Given the ambiguities involved, it occurs to me that the list may be in breach of original research.  This is so even when an event is well sourced, if that source does not specifically state that a downtown area was hit.  The very act of determining here on Wikipedia the characteristics of what is added possibly opens up NOR issues.  Thoughts?
In the meantime, vigilance is required on verifying new events as they are added if this list is to be of encyclopedia/almanac standard.  Evolauxia (talk) 10:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: I'm not familiar of the exact downtown limits of Louisville, Kentucky but is the University of Louisville located in the CBD limits. I'm asking this because an EF1 tornado touched down on the western side of the campus on January 29, 2008 and based on the location on the second touchdown near U of L, this looks very close to the CBD limits.--JForget  03:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Louisville - January 29, 2008

message: I found a web site that list major cities that were hit by a tornado in downtown. It's a partial list but I thought I'd share this with you. Rvk41 (talk) 07:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they've omitted virtually all the F0's on the list, I'm sure if I check the Tornado History Project which has maps, I can find several more F0 tornadoes but that would make the list extremely long.JForget  13:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tornadoes that hit downtown

message: If some more Wiki-used SUer could add some notable cases from EU!
1968, F4, Pforzheim (>100 000 Inhabitants), the storm ripped through the city center, leaving one of the most serious examples of skyscaper-damage (blown empty)
Scroll down to 1968:
http://www.tornadoliste.de/tornadoliste1970.htm
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/cgi-bin/webbbs/wzarchive2003_2.pl?noframes%3bread=339356
The european windspeed estimations, which do (other standards of constructions) not follow the eF scale) would NOW uprate it... Very fortunately only two deaths, a wodner.
1973, F3, Kiel (>200 000 inhabitants)
http://www.saevert.de/2kieltornado1973.htm
One casuality (due do flying debris)
2003, F1 Vienna (>1,5 million inhabitants) Serious damage to inner town districts by a large, but fortunately not too strong tornado
http://www.unwetterstatistik.at/analysen/tornados/2003/030513.html
The supercell tornado was accompanied by a very serious hail-event in the north of the town (dense hailfall, 6cm diameter)
2003, F1 Graz (250 000 inhabitants). Small tornado path with some damage to the central park and surrounding roofs, a few people severely injured by falling trees.
http://www.unwetterstatistik.at/analysen/tornados/2003/030829.html
Graz downtown had at least another (likely) tornado 2004, F1 (downburst not completely ruled out), 2 more cases like that 1998 (F1) (and several reported tornados (in or close to the town) in the last 100 years.)
http://www.tordach.org/at
Herfried (www.skywarn.at)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.171.7.39 (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing cases, Europe 

message: In 1968, an f2 tornado hit north of the isthmus. Many other weaker ones have touched down in the city.  These are little known events, though they did occur.
http://www.tornadoproject.com/alltorns/witorn.htm
http://climate.engin.umich.edu/TornadoPATHS/?zip=53711  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trilobite12 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Madison Wisconsin

message: I see little to no sources for many of the tornadoes, especially the european ones. Also, the ratings of a lot of the european tornadoes look exaggerated, as well as ratings for anywhere before 1950. While I may be wrong, I have not been able to verify the vast majority of violent european tornadoes, particuarly those listed as F5. Could somebody look into this? The lists may need to be cut down a lot if sources cannot be found. Inferno,  Lord of  Penguins 20:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources? 

message: It sounds like the EF2 tornado affected the downtown area. In the survey, NWS Shreveport says that the tornado produced damage along Blanchard Road heading into downtown Shreveport and then crossed the Red River south of the Diamond Jacks Casino. Looking at Google Maps, the casino seems to be facing directly downtown Shreveport from across the river. Euh and by the way regarding the EF4 tornado on April 10, it didn't went through downtown Murfreesboro but the northern subdivisions.  JForget  23:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted Murfreesboro, it was about 2-3 miles north of the downtown area (and for a small city, that is a big difference). Shreveport yes, it was on the ground through downtown even though damage there was minimal, so that should be listed (it will still get listed as EF2 being the tornado's rating despite the fact downtown only had EF0 damage). CrazyC83 (talk) 00:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Shreveport tornado hit downtown?

message: Not even close. Who writes this stuff as if it's some sort of resemblance of truth? The September 1962 F1 twister hit a bit closer to Seattle's downtown, but even that one was still out in the neighborhoods (Sand Point, several miles NE of downtown proper) even if it was within the boundaries of the city itself. But the 1969 tornado was south and outside of the city; at best one could categorize it as being in the greater Seattle metropolitan area. 
I barely remember the '69 event (I think the twister largely touched down in Kent, WA,  a suburb of Seattle, or more generally in the larger region commonly referred to as the Kent Valley if not within Kent's actual city limits--so sue me, I was a snot-nose grade school kid at the time), and was still in diapers to be able to personally recall the '62 tornado. The earlier event was relayed to me by my parents (Dad, I'm pretty sure) years after the actual incident. Since my own memories aren't as sharp as they once were, I went and verified the dates from the City of Seattle's own Office of Emergency Management historic disasters web page. 
http://www.seattle.gov/emergency/hazards/history.htm
Monoblocks (talk) 06:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seattle: 1969 tornado DID NOT hit the CBD 

message: People have been posting on this page about the insane number of inappropriate entries, and I've decided to finally do something about it. Soon, anyway. I'll be cutting out every tornado on this list that does not have conclusive proof that the tornado went through the downtown area. -RunningOnBrains(talk) 10:42, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to keep it cleaned when I was a more active editor but it was a chore even then. Now that I've been gone it's a real mess. Keeping up with it is the stumbler (and I know others were trying), as the problems and solutions are fairly well identified on the article page and quite well on the talk pages. I was also planning to purge most of the list but move unclear entries to the talk page. Evolauxia (talk) 11:09, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay, okay, time out. 

message: I've been away for a while but am about to embark on a task of cleaning up this article. (1) Firstly, I'm going to change the name to "List of tornadoes striking downtown areas of large cities". (2) Secondly, I'm going to purge listings for which I have doubts because they are not sourced or because they're improperly sourced. There is a rampant Wikipedia:Original research issue of WP:Synth in the listing. To guard against removing legitimate events for events that are unclear on whether sourcing confirms the listing, I will move those to this talk page. (3) Thirdly, criteria should be refined, a consensus developed, and then criteria enforced. The formal criteria should be clearly listed in the talk page or at Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather. Since significant discussion and agreement exists on the problems and criteria, Wikipedia:Protection policy should be considered to aid enforcement.
Definitions: Downtown has been the central business district. This was an easy proxy for an urban core of a large city with, since industrialization, high population density and/or mid-high rise buildings. This listing is included for heightened human impact and because it's interesting that cities indeed experience tornadoes (as scientific research and SPC agree). As downtown/CBD is an approximation, the political or colloquial boundaries may not necessarily be strict as long as agreed upon criteria (population density, mid-level high rise area, etc.) are met. Individual suburbs would be included if criteria are met, even if not the largest city in a metropolitan area. This severely complicates WP:Synth and adds work to checking on sources, so we may need to stick with "formal" boundaries. If certain criteria are allowed rather than a downtown/CBD, then specific values are necessary. 50,000 seems fine to me for the minimum population of a respective city.
Every listing requires sourcing. The source must explicitly state or otherwise directly indicate that the tornado occurred within the bounds of a downtown area of large city (at a time when the area was indeed downtown and city indeed large).
In short, for this listing to be viable utility for its purpose, I advocate a conservative inclusion policy vs. a liberal one. Evolauxia (talk) 11:21, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The newly implemented cutthroat exclusion embargo does not make sufficiently clear what specific criteria are needed for both inclusion and verifiability. Clearly, we have thousands of news, photo and video sources showing that the Tuscaloosa-Birmingham tornado did indeed go through the metropolitan core of the city of Tuscaloosa, narrowly missing the Bryant-Denny Stadium. For any tornadoes, a map of the exact track, or even a satellite picture should clear up any uncertaintainties. Also, no reason was given to why this only applies to North American cities, and not to any other continents when North America sees the most and the most violent tornadoes in any given year. What sources are valid for clear confirmation, and which are only auxillary sources to be used in the presence of an already-made clear verification? How about reports from the National Weather Service, that directly state the tornado track going through the city, or is a map preferrable? Some of the oldest entries will see no updates, such as those from the 19th century, so this recent change in inclusion policy needs a clear and consistently straightforward explanation. Do we now only include those mentioned in the single SPC source, or are there other circumstances under which extraordinarily clear-cut evidence for meeting the criteria merit the inclusion of an entry? Even that source states: "This is just a partial list of tornadoes", and does not have the same criteria that we do, which is a minimum population of 50,000. Please further the continue discussion to establish collaborative criteria. Thanks. ~AH1 (discuss!) 01:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The source must explicitly state that a tornado passed through a downtown area or central business district, otherwise it's WP:Synth. If a map depicts both of these things, then that is sufficient but multiple maps (to show where a tornado struck and where urban boundaries are) opens up too many problems. If the policy and enforcement are not strict, the listing is diluted from its original intent --and from what it states itself to be. Passing through a city limits does not count; it must be the urban core, not houses or low-rise buildings. Hence, downtown/city centre or CBD of a large city. There is a gray area regarding this definition as discussed at points above. If sources can be found that show events meet these criteria, then an event can be added, including those that were removed. I inadvertently removed the Huntsville, AL tornado of 21 Jan 2011, so am not contesting it being placed back on the list. The city must have had been large (at the time of the tornado occurrence. Other regions are to be pruned, North America is merely the first. I agree that we need to outline a policy on what are acceptable sources. NWS/SPC/NCDC, DAPPL (Fujita/University of Chicago), Tornado Project/Grazulis, scientific papers and formal works including books are preferable, but other sources suffice if they are explicit. The popular media are not as rigorous so are less reliable, but sometimes are the only available source, especially soon after an event occurs. The rest of the questions are answered on this talk page but should be condensed and formalized. The inherent ambiguities are the original reason for the "Notable absences" section, which is also in need of cleanup and clarification. Evolauxia (talk) 12:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I would assume that articles from Newspaper/Radio/television station websites would be considered as accurate sources, alongside the national weather office (Environment Canada, National Weather Service, Met. Office of UK, and so on).  I also think we should mention that only cities of 50,000 ("middle-sized") and bigger are included.  This should be applied equally to all continents, like Asia, South America, Europe, though the list will always tilt heavily towards North America (followed by England and the Central European Plain, then India and Bangladesh), thanks to their sheer numbers of tornadoes, as well as severe tornadoes (F3/EF3 or stronger).  Having a conservative inclusion policy?  I always thought that was the policy of this webpage, though I've included any tornadoes that were reported to have been tracked over the respective city's central business district.  I'll admit, I'm surprised of the frequency of occurrence.  It's much higher than I had anticipated.  Now, regarding all of the souces for those articles, they are listed collectively on the bottom of the page, or on the tornado/tornado outbreak pages.  I thought linking to a page that had its own sources would be enough, but if not, I can easily copy the sources from the other pages to this one.
I hope to be able to answer several of the issues below:
Verifiability:  Was it reported on a local website, city/town website, or a local newspaper/radio/television station webpage?  If it's historical, are there accurate accounts and photos of the tornado?  An example of this requirement being satisfied would be the 1946 Windsor-Tecumseh Tornado.
World View:  This page, while tilting in favour of North America due to its susceptibility to tornado-producing storms, should retain a nation- or continent-neutral stance.  While North America will most-likely always dominate this list with the most events, Tornadoes have been proven to occur on every continent, and this list should reflect that.  We also need to remember that there is far less landmass in the Southern Hemisphere, which is partly why fewer tornadoes form there.
The Downtown-or-simply-other-urban-areas argument:  If the sources listed in "Verifiability" above EXPLICITLY mention it went over downtown, then I think it should be referenced.  Cities often have vague definitions of their central business district or downtown, and people often have different opinions on which neighbourhood or part of the city would constitute part of the "downtown core".  Sure, a few cities do have explicit boundaries of their downtowns (for things like business licensing and other purposes), and may even have neighbourhoods have "Downtown" or "Centre-Ville" in their name, It will not be easy to satisfy.  So, in this case, I would propose that if a tornado's damage path passes within 3 km (2 miles) of City Hall, it would count as a downtown strike.  Usually, this would include tall office towers, apartment buildings, stadiums, and other high-density structures.
What sources should be used:
As stated before in Verifiability, Newspapers, local websites, radio and television stations should all be considered, but used as secondary sources.  Primary sources would be the United States' National Weather Service, Storm Prediction Center, National Climatic Data Center reports from the University of Chicago (and other educational institutions), along with the reports from Ted Fujita and Thomas P. Grazulis (and his website, http://www.tornadoproject.com/), Canada's Environment Canada, the United Kingdom's Met Office, and Europe's TORRO and ESSL, as previously mentioned.
As for re-adding tornadoes that have occurred this year:
The Huntsville and Tuscaloosa-Birmingham tornadoes should be re-added, as those were shown to have struck the downtown core.  Television stations such as WBMA-LP (the American Broadcasting Company network affiliate for Birmingham) has its studios and weather camera downtown, and they were close enough to pick it up on camera.  That is undeniable proof of a rare tornado striking one downtown area (Tuscaloosa, as shown in pictures on its article page), travelling 56 miles, and then striking a second downtown area (look up WBMA-LP's website, or the tornado on Youtube... it was filmed by all local stations and thousands of people that had cameras and cellphones).
This should clarify things and answer any lingering questions. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 08:23, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Some large cities and towns with population 50,000+ in fact do not have a district specifically for high-rise buildings. What about when a tornado goes through residential and apartment complexes that are medium-rise but the area is located less than 3 km from "municipal offices"? In some cases, the city/town will be so small and compact that such a distance places the maximum radius outside of the municipal limits. Also, when a tornado hits an extended metropolitan agglomeration area that does have high-rise buildings but the area is not within the limits of the main city and is in fact within another municipality that has a population lower than 50,000, should that be included? For example, Albany, New Zealand was hit by a tornado but it is part of the Auckland area. Definitions of what constitutes a city or town vary widely, as for example Jerome, Arkansas (pop. 46) calls itself a city but Markham, Ontario (pop. 290,000) is called a town. ~AH1 (discuss!) 16:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

text: You make great points, AH1.  Just to be easily-understood, I thought we'd ignore the petty details like if a location is registered with its state or province as a city, and considered an agglomeration within the municipal limits that has 50,000 or more residents as a city, regardless of its status.  I agree that many towns and cities don't have a district *just* for high-rise buildings.  The city of Windsor is the same way... sure, many of them are clustered together in the center of the city, but they're also sprinkled throughout it, such as Solidarity Tower on the far-east end.  If a city is very compact, but still has 50,000 people... I'd consider it a direct hit if the tornado struck within 3 km of the city hall.  If the area that has high-rise buildings is *not* within 3 km of downtown, we would need to consider it as not a direct hit, though if the city is like La Salle, Ontario, which "moved" most of its downtown from along Front Street (former Highway 18, now County Road 20) to Malden Road (County Road 3), and thus has basically TWO downtown areas... we'd need to discuss it on the talk page for inclusion or exclusion.
I know many European cities don't have apartment buildings or office towers, yet have well over 50,000 people, and some are compact in size (thanks to their use of mid-rise buildings up to 6 floors throughout most of the city).
 Criteria for inclusion
Type of town                                                                                                                     	Inclusion?	Example location(s)
Average size, unambiguously-identifiable (or an official boundary/neighbourhood) "downtown core" or central business district    	          	Detroit, Michigan;  Fort Worth, Texas
Average size city without an official boundary for downtown                                                                      	          	Cleveland, Ohio
Compact city with unambiguously-identifiable (or an official boundary/neighbourhood) "downtown core" or central business district	          	Windsor, Ontario
Compact city without an official boundary for downtown                                                                           	          	Regina, Saskatchewan
Major suburb below 50,000 neighbouring a major city over 50,000?                                                                 	          	Oak Park, Michigan
Cluster of high-rise buildings away from downtown or "secondary" downtown                                                        	          	Canary Wharf, London, England; La Salle, Ontario
Central Business District/Downtown Core more than 3 km (2 miles) from city hall                                                  	          	New York City
Location granted "City" status with less than 50,000 people                                                                      	          	Jerome, Arkansas; Yorkton, Saskatchewan
Location not granted "city" status, despite having more than 50,000 people                                                       	          	Markham, Ontario; Abbotsford, British Columbia
Suburb of 50,000 or more, next to a major city, if it was also hit                                                               	          	Kenner, Louisiana/New Orleans, Louisiana; Mississauga, Ontario/Toronto, Ontario
Suburb of less than 50,000, next to a major city, if it was also hit                                                             	          	Ferndale, Michigan/Detroit, Michigan, Tecumseh, Ontario/Windsor, Ontario
My my, all of this work into this list... it's like we're re-inventing the Enhanced Fujita Scale, with all of its Damage indicators and degrees of damage... :) RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 19:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm thinking that we should include "unverified" metropolitan tornadoes, as we would now call them in a new section below. I'll post a few examples of the most recent ones that serve as an addition to the ones removed but caution that fewer older entries should have been removed in an effort to skew the table away from recentism. ~AH1 (discuss!) 00:16, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you referring to the "Notable absences" section of the article?  I have that to explain why those tornadoes are not included (cities that were less than 50,000 at the time, but are now well over 50,000... or tornadoes that struck the built-up parts of the cities, but did not directly hit their downtown cores). RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 05:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to suggest listing the most recent metropolitan tornadoes on the talkpage and create a short backlog until we could find all the necessary verifiable sources for them. However it appears the recent notable ones (Joplin, Minneapolis, Springfield MA etc.) were already included. The table gives the implication that metropolitan tornadoes are exponentially increasing. ~AH1 (discuss!) 21:08, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  A few of the recent entries shouldn't be there. The Minneapolis EF1 was more in the northwest side of the metro area. The Fayetteville EF3 was more in the outskirts area of the city rather then downtown. As for the two violent ones, I can say that the Joplin tornado passed just south of downtown, although I don't know the actual limits of their downtown so that can be debatable. Same thing for Tuscaloosa (although it looked to be south of downtown) and it wasn't even close to downtown Birmingham, probably not even in the city limits as it hit north Hueytown, Pleaseant Grove, south McDonald Chapel and then northward to Fultondale which a good 6-8 miles at least from downtown which would be south of the I-20/59 and I-65 interchange.173.179.155.183 (talk) 15:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuing erroneous inclusion issues 

message: May I suggest the inclusion of a new column for placing the references? The current presentation is pretty ugly.--Jetstreamer (talk) 11:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article still needs other work but that's a good suggestion that is now done. Evolauxia (talk) 12:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Should the Tornadoes that hit Harrisburg, IL and West Liberty and Saylersville, KY tornadoes be removed? All three appear to have populations well below 50,000. Should we add one of those editing notes to the article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TornadoLGS (talk • contribs) 17:28, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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message: There should be a minimum population requirement for what constitutes a large city. For example, Revere (EF2, 7/28/14) is *not* a large city. Moore (EF5, etc, take your pick) is also not a large city.
Maybe this should be cities of 100,000 people or more? Maybe take out the language that suggests large or larger? 
I defer to the original creator of this page. Dym75 (talk) 10:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. There should definitely be a minimum population requirement and this article rewritten accordingly. United States Man (talk) 17:05, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This article needs cleanup. I can help. A city with only 50,000 people is not a big city. Destroyeraa (talk) 13:57, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some of these are not “large cities”... 

message: What makes a big city? 50,000 people does not make a big city. If that is true, there will be so many big cities in the US. An what is a downtown? Can it just be a tornado striking a big city? Why does downtown make any difference? Destroyeraa (talk) 14:10, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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message: Should we include the bowling green tornadoes from the [[Tornado outbreak of December 10-11, 2021], either here or as a notable exception? 69.118.232.58 (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not. From a quick look on the Damage Assessment Toolkit], it appears to have missed downtown. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bowling green tornado 

message: Hello, I did some reaserch into what's considered Kraków's downtown/centre and it's the districts of Stare Miasto, Grzegórzki and Prądnik Czerwony.
The tornado didn't struck the previously mentioned areas but the district of Bieżanów-Prokocim, which is not considered to be a part of the downtown.
Sorces: https://eswd.eu | Districts of Kraków | https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Śródmieście_(Kraków) Zupaz (talk) 02:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kraków February 17th 2022 tornado didn't hit the downtown 

message: united states man, you are wrong. what resources are you using to prove that you need to remove this edit. Puddlehamahs (talk) 12:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arkansas Tornado 

message: Should this tornado from May 3rd, 1999 outbreak be included to this article? Alvaro Ivan Daniswara 2017 (talk) 03:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sedgwick-Wichita tornado 

message: 1980 Kalamazoo tornado missing from this list - has a Wikipedia page and everything! Also confirmed that population was 50k+ at the time. Ideasoflight (talk) 19:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kalamazoo tornado 

message: An EF1 tornado impacted downtown Lake Charles, Louisiana. This needs to be added the North America list on this page. 2600:1014:B133:7C0:0:21:8331:F501 (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 13, 2024 

message: A table in this talk page makes mentions that large suburbs can be included if the city anchoring them is also hit, however is unclear whether or not if a tornado strikes a large suburb alone should count. For instance, in 2021, Naperville was struck by a low end EF3, and in 2023, an EF1 struck Irving, Texas. Neither of these tornadoes struck the actual downtown, however, if they did, it's unclear whether or not they can be considered large cities by their own merits. For instance, other large suburbs, such as Aurora, Illinois and Olathe, Kansas, are far disconnected from their anchor cities, and have large populations, as well as downtown areas with modest development. I'm under the opinion that if a suburb of over 50,000 is struck in their downtown area, that should be counted whether or not it hit the anchoring city, but I'd like to get more consensus on this. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 12:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large suburbs