Talk:Dalian

message: I made a small correction in "Inter-governmental". The previous version used "Japan maintains a Consulate General office and a JETRO office in Dalian." For clarity sake, it now says " Japan maintains a branch office for its Consulate-General of Japan at Shenyang and a JETRO office in Dalian". This is because the previous version can be interpreted to mean that there is another consulate general in Dalian for Japan which is incorrect. Source from Ministry of Foreign Affairs of JapanAnyu (talk) 15:44, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inter-governmental clarification 

message: I made a small grammar correction in "Sightseeing and Attractions". The previous version used "It is about 800m long and is an excellent for swimming." For clarity sake, it now says "It is about 800m long and is an excellent place for swimming." I will be traveling to Dalian for the first time in a few days, and will try to add to the page on my return. Stringbean 15:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar correction 

message: What to do? sports as a topic at cultural life, or as a chapter sports, because now it is 2 times mentioned? (RvD) (What is luda???)
I suggest to put cultural life, education, sports behind each other.
why is this directed from luda?
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(Chinese characters following): 现在还存在"新金州区"这样的计划或者说法吗?我好像从来也没听说过哦. 如果没有异议的话我先删掉了.欢迎到我的讨论页留言.--Mickeymousechen 10:33, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections 

message: I'm placing this clean here as this matter needs attention by someone with appropriate geographical references.
Lushun (Port Arthur) is about 40 miles from Dalian, The first paragraph is thus in error. The opening sentence should probably read that Lushun is administered as a district or sub-port of Dalian, which I believe I've seen somewhere in text, but the whole statement seems to be an akward way of interposing the free port (City) status onto the geography.  Moreover, iirc, Dalian may be unique in the world in that both sides of the peninsula have useful deepwater harbors and are used that way. Any article covering the city should cover this fact. (See the landsat photo herein), albeit 80 plus nautical miles apart by boat or ship, but only a brief flight to Jonathan Livingston Seagull.  In any event, this needs untangled by someone with better geographical references than I have, being concerned with the Russo-Japanese war.  Sorry. Fabartus 22:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup request - Off By Forty Miles

message: This national resort area should have its own discussion.
I do not know enough to write the article but I do know that this area is protected from certain kinds of development, has a world-class 36 hole golf course, every August hosts some kind of festival or something similar, now has a really nice road leading there and is the terminus of the Dalian commuter railway.  There are several luxury housing and hotel projects currently under construction.  This area has some unique rock structures along the water's edge and has many areas where fossils are being dug up.  
I am sure that there are many other important and fascinating facts and details that could be added by someone who is more familiar with it than I and I encourage someone to write an article and post some pictures.  I do have a couple of suitable pictures that I can add if the article is written.
Thanks,
California Tiger
::Hey, Are you really a tiger or just a couger trying to pass as one? --Manchurian Tiger 01:49, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hey Manchurian Tiger - How have you been?  My wife told me that you posted here.  You inspired my name.  Any guesses as to who I am?  Say hello to your wife and son for me.  p.s. Take a look at Dalian on Google Earth.  It is really cool.  Maybe we could post a picture here.  It is much better than the satellite photo posted here. - California Tiger 03:31, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: hi buddy. I sure knew who you are right away when you first showed up here. I did some work on this article and contributed some pictures including that Lushun Train Station picture I took this spring. Have fun.--Manchurian Tiger 02:14, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golden Pebble Beach 

message: Does anyone know why the name "Port Arthur" was originally given to the city/district? ~ Dpr 04:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Port Arthur was named after a British navy captain. He sailed his ship to the port after it was damaged during a conflict later 1800s. I don't quite remember the details but if I found more I'll post here.--Manchurian Tiger 02:39, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you...though why did the Russians adopt such a name? --Dpr 22:36, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of Name

message: Section seems kinda vague. E.g. the full list of international/domestic destinations by plane is available here, is it usual practise to include this information?
http://www.dlairport.com/English/CityConnections.htm
More importantly, the 客轮 (translate as "ferry" rather than "oceanliner"? It doesn't travel on the open ocean; but the amenities on board are more like a cruise ship than a commuter ferry) probably deserves some more mention, seeing as it is a more unusual form of travel (especially international travel). Right now the cities served include Yantai, Tianjin, and Incheon (S. Korea). The Incheon ferry runs 3x/week, with the whole trip taking about 16 hours. Since it's about 60% less than a plane ticket, a lot of students from Korea coming for holiday/studying take the ferry instead of a plane.
http://www.daking.com.cn/Article_Print.asp?ArticleID=3336
cab 21:21, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Transportation

message: It would be nice if there was a reference to the climate during the different seasons (in geography).  I might be living there next year, and it would have been a usefull addition.
ABart26 17:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: Could anybody explain why the following passage was deleted from the article:
"Part of the State of Yan in the Spring and Autumn Period, a minor fishing village Ch'ing-ni-wa became a small town in the 1880s, when the Qing Empire established bridges, cannon platforms and camps there. The settlement was occupied by the British in 1858, returned to the Chinese in the 1880s, and then occupied by Japan in 1895 during the first Sino-Japanese War. 
In 1898, the Russians took the lease of the peninsular and established Port Arthur (Lüshunkou) as ice-free headquarters of their Pacific Fleet and Dalnyi as a major commercial port. The city's name is derived from the Russian word "dalnyi", which means "distant (port)". Recently, some Chinese scholars pointed out that the Chinese form of the name, Dalian, had been used as early as October 1879, in a document by Li Hongzhang.
Both Dalny (Qingniwaqiao 青泥洼桥 of Zhongshan District, Dalian) and Port Arthur were developed and heavily fortified by the Russians in the period prior to 1904. Consequently, some historians blame the fall of Port Arthur, a world shaking event of epic proportions, during the siege of Port Arthur on January 2nd, 1905 for the failure by Admiral Eugene Alexeieff, to concentrate on the naval base and its fortifications, instead spliting precious resources shipped 5,000 miles across the single tracked Trans-Siberian Railway and Manchurian railways. 
After the Russo-Japanese war Port Arthur was conceded to Japan (Treaty of Portsmouth), who set up the Kwantung Leased Territory or Guandongzhou. Since the foundation of Manchukuo in 1932, the sovereignty of the territory moved from China to Manchukuo. Japan still leased it from Manchukuo. In 1937, the modern Dalian City was enlarged and modernized by the Japanese as two cities: the northern Dairen (Dalian) and the southern Ryojun (Lushun)." --Ghirla -трёп- 11:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a quick glance at this and I see no problems with it. Give your detractors some time to respond, and then you can include. As for Dalian vs. Dalny, I know that the Gulf of Dalian got its name before 1898 and I have seen Chinese records referring to Dalian wan 大連灣. I don't think we need to prove who was first, it suffices to state that both names were in use at the time of tjhe foundation of the city.--Niohe 16:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive deletions 

message: Snle, it's important to have historical names for cities at the top, not just the current ones. The question is really what serves the reader, and by erasing these names I don't think we're helping them at all. You will find similar policies in other areas which have been governed or populated by many different language groups over time. For example:
* Sibiu (IPA [si'biw], German: Hermannstadt, Hungarian: Nagyszeben) -- in Romania
* Lviv (Ukrainian: Львів, L’viv [ljviw], German: Lemberg; Polish: Lwów; Russian: Львов, Lvov; see also other names)  -- in Ukraine
I think it is a good thing to represent all the history of a place, not just its recent history. —Khoikhoi 17:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't agree more with the above. I find it very useful to have historical names at the top of the page.--Niohe 19:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The place was known as Lü-Ta both in China and in the West for more than thirty years, between 1944 and 1981. It's ridiculous that this is erased from the article.Strausszek (talk) 04:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't it also called Beifeng (北丰)? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 21:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical names 

message: The annual Dalian Beer Festival should deserve some mention Hanfresco 10:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural Life

message: I found this sentence to be too long and confusing. Could someone rewrite it?
:"Consequently, some historians blame the fall of Port Arthur, a world shaking event of epic proportions, during the siege of Port Arthur on January 2, 1905 for the failure by Admiral Eugene Alexeieff, to concentrate on the naval base and its fortifications, instead spliting precious resources shipped 5,000 miles across the single tracked Trans-Siberian Railway and Manchurian railways."
—Tokek 14:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section of the article 

message: Hi, All.  As Wikipedia can now be accessed from China, as of August, 2007, I have recently added about 50 percent more infomation in this page, mainly in the Economics and Education sections.  I didn't do much about the History section, but added some sub-titles because it is long.  I hope someone would do some more editing on my use of English.
 
I have lived in Dalian, China, for six years.  Yoshi  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshi Canopus (talk • contribs) 01:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: About 50% More Information Added

message: Hi. Rostock in Germany is a sister city of Dalian. But it is not in Texas. Needs to get changed.--91.38.82.169 (talk) 11:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister cities of Dalian 

message: Is that type of thing allowed in an article like this? I can't think of any way that the 'livable' quality of a city can be measured, so who is to say that another city is not more 'livable'?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.131.1 (talk) 23:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously "most livable city" is an awkward translation of the Chinese term "最适合居住的城市". I think that "most desirable city for living" might be better. --GnuDoyng (talk) 11:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most livable city? 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dalian&action=history/index.php?title=Dalian&action=historysubmit&diff=441331846&oldid=441321317
This edit seems to get pushed over and over by the author, three times now. It implies a "correlation" of info describing some rocks with 17,000 years (number seems to been pulled out of thin air) history of the city Dalian. Also the city/area being inhabited for 6,000 years seems to contradict the 2nd source by several thousand years and seems like free interpretation of references. If the person or someone else can reason why this should stay...otherwise it should be removed. Cold Season (talk) 18:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on edits in the History/Ancient section 

message: My Chinese and IPA are both rather rusty, but I'm pretty sure the first phoneme of Dalian is closer to /d/ than /t/. Solri (talk) 06:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Chinese "D" is usually an unaspirated voiceless stop. English "D" is an unaspirated voiced stop; while "T" is an aspirated voiceless stop. Take your pick as to which you think is closer. Personally I think the aspirated voiceless stop is closer because the aspiration of a phoneme is usually less noticeable than the voicing (which is why I prefer Wades Giles transliteration to Pinyin). Fig (talk) 17:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: To remove the POV tag. Most of the problematic statements are un-cited to begin with, so  is more appropriate. I will go ahead and change this, lest someone interjects...  The Tartanator  17:04, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  About time... 

message: The demographics sections starts out great but quickly runs into trouble with numbers like "58337 thousand". If I were to re-write that using the common English-language conventions it might read "58.3 million" with a little rounding. I assume however that this is simply not the correct number. Can someone find a better source to rewrite the Demographics section to comply with both the facts and the English language? - Metal lunchbox (talk) 07:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange numbers in the demographic section 

message: Our sister page has the Simplified Chinese name as followed by the character for City or Town: 市 
cf: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E8%BF%9E%E5%B8%82
It may seem a small thing, but the traditional symbol was so easy to read, but combined with Dai and 市 the triple looks so easy to read.
Note that the JA wiki article has 大連市 as well.
I propose changing the intro to have the name appear on the page as in the ZH web page and the traditional as in the JA web page.
Note that both the JA and ZH wiki pages have 市 as the last character in the URL path for each page and in the page title in bold.
One recurring oddity on the ZH sidepanel, the Nihon-go link is after I and before K as if it started with "J".  That is not how the Russian link is positioned in that list.  Note that our list has 
Nederlands
日本語
I was thinking back to 1919 and the problems faced by the representatives of 日本の国 at the Paris conference and their one humane demand that European diplomats would not concede.
I have noticed this oddity at another national language wiki.  Is there a policy ? The name starts with the mora or syllable "ni" and not "ja".  
One scrolls to read the sister page, but it is not there ... Oops, it is - just up in the top half of the list.  Of course consistency can be a hobgoblin ...
G. Robert Shiplett 13:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That "市" is included in the title of every officially designated city in the PRC and Taiwan is actually a policy at ZH wiki (I don't know the policy's name, and I have more important things  to do than look it up). I recommend against including "市" in the first sentence, because otherwise the lede may well have to open with "Dalian City" instead (to match with the "市"), which is not so natural. Note that the official name (大连市) IS in the infobox, and that most other articles here on EN-Wiki do not use "市" in the first sentence. GotR Talk 02:57, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  article name at ZH wiki 

message: I have removed the gallery of Jinshitan National Geopark form the article. It gives undue weight to one location. There needs to be some rational given to why this location deserves so many pictures while not having any description in the article. Rather is seems like an attempt to WP:COATRACK Jinshitan onto the Dalian article. There are generally too many photographs already in that section of the article. Please see WP:IG, "The images in the gallery collectively must have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject." and, "However, Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the above paragraph or moved to Wikimedia Commons."  Rincewind42 (talk) 02:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jinshitan National Geopark 

message: Substituted at 12:42, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: I can't verify which "Dalian railroad" that was shut down by the sunsetting of Flash, as reported here:
Apple Daily
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Interesting Engineering
Jalopnik
Can anyone confirm if this article is appropriate or where else this news should be inserted? Thanks CapnZapp (talk) 19:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: X-posted: Talk:Trams in Dalian#Dalian "railroad" and Flash, Talk:Dalian Metro#Dalian "railroad" and Flash CapnZapp (talk) 19:01, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dalian "railroad" and Flash 

message: Hello all!
I believe this article could be improved in a couple of ways:
# The article for Shanghai, which is flagged as a 'Good' article, contains an 'Environment' section. Dalian is know for it's parks, wildlife, and marine environment. I believe a similar section would fit the Dalian article. I have therefore added an Environment section. I have moved the already-existing 'Environmental issues' section under this new section. The environment could be expanded to include several different sections: Parks, wildlife, pollution, etc.
# I see the Dalian article lists many tourist spots. Since Dalian is so tourist-focused and friendly, I think what would serve this article is creating a 'Tourist Attraction in Dalian' list. Shanghai ALSO has such a list. I have found many tourist attractions for Dalian that have their own Wikipedia page. Many of these are not listed currently. Therefore, I think we could remove some of the tourist locations from the main page and put it into a list. This would clean up the article, save space, and not make it so 'list-heavy'.
# Lastly, and this is related to the list above, I think we should add a 'Parks and resorts' section under the new 'Environment' section. I think a parks section is needed because of the city's heavy focus on its green space.
KhiVoh (talk) 19:48, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Environment sections and my thoughts on improving