Category talk:Years by country

message: I started creating categories such as :Category:1823 by country, but I got second thoughts. It would clutter this category, and the benefit is dubious. I'm stopping for now and I wouldn't object if the categories got unlinked from this category, deleted or grouped differently (e.g. to "1820-1840 by country"). If deleted, then of course the existing articles should be redirected to the (main) year category. Common Man 01:17, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a way to do a straw poll about this? We should decide, and either create the missing categories or delete these ones. Ziggurat 00:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I think we should create the rest, look at something like :Category:1996 , it is already pretty crowded and having another "1996 in XXX" for 100+ countries is going to completely crowd out everything else - SimonLyall 07:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And look where we are five years on! __meco (talk) 13:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category for every year? 

message: When categorizing articles about past political and military events, we tend to categorize them (only) in the tree of the country that existed in the past during the event. For example the Battle of Austerlitz took place in the former Austrian Empire and the battle field is currently in the Czech Republic. For categorization it means that the article is in :Category:1805 in the Austrian Empire but not in the tree of the Czech Republic.
However, when it concerns non-political events, e.g. establishments of buildings and structures, the existing categorization practice is a bit different, then many articles are categorized by current country rather than by past country. For example Andechs (restaurant) is in :Category:15th-century establishments in Germany but not in the tree of :Category:Duchy of Bavaria. 
Should we keep the two different existing categorization principles next to each other, or should we enforce that all goes into past country categories only? (I'm assuming that all into current country categories is definitely not an option.) Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: * Comment, in this discussion User:BrownHairedGirl raised a very important point. We currently have, e.g. :Category:Prehistoric Bulgaria, :Category:Ancient Bulgaria, :Category:Medieval Bulgaria etc., for almost every current country. So at some point in the category hierarchy we have to let go the polities of the time. Or alternatively if we would delete these categories then nobody would ever be able to navigate through the entire history of Bulgaria and that would be a very bad favor to Wikipedia users. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

text: * The confusing thing is that two interpretations are possible - and will always remain possible. Let's take the 9th-century Byzantine building that is now in Turkey. Your interpretation is: the building was built in the 9th century while it was in the Byzantine Empire. Another, equally valid, interpretation is: it is now a building in Turkey while it was established in the 9th century. And the latter (as I see happening in practice) is the interpretation of a large amount of editors who aren't involved in CfD discussions, especially with non-political items like buildings. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

text: * Not quite, in this discussion we merged years in Germany to centuries in Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC about categorization by past or current country 

message: *No change (for now) -- I believe that the current system makes sense. For example, Andechs (restaurant) exists today and is located in modern-day Germany. I don't see a need for a change, although I'm open to other perspectives. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:00, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: * Comment, in this discussion User:BrownHairedGirl raised a very important point. We currently have, e.g. :Category:Prehistoric Bulgaria, :Category:Ancient Bulgaria, :Category:Medieval Bulgaria etc., for almost every current country. So at some point in the category hierarchy we have to let go the polities of the time. Or alternatively if we would delete these categories then nobody would ever be able to navigate through the entire history of Bulgaria and that would be a very bad favor to Wikipedia users. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

text: * The confusing thing is that two interpretations are possible - and will always remain possible. Let's take the 9th-century Byzantine building that is now in Turkey. Your interpretation is: the building was built in the 9th century while it was in the Byzantine Empire. Another, equally valid, interpretation is: it is now a building in Turkey while it was established in the 9th century. And the latter (as I see happening in practice) is the interpretation of a large amount of editors who aren't involved in CfD discussions, especially with non-political items like buildings. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

text: * Not quite, in this discussion we merged years in Germany to centuries in Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey