Talk:Celesta

message: According to copies of the original patents showing at Schiedmayer's website, the 1886 patent was
a) by Charles Victor Mustel (not Auguste Mustel).
b) clearly labelled "Celesta"
c) clearly describing a device that had 2 sound plates per note.
However we are told in this page that 
d) C.V Mustel patented the typophone in 1860
e) Auguste Mustel patented the Celesta in 1886
e) is clearly at odds with a)
The celesta (at least the modern one) have only 1 sound plate per note.
Perhaps the typophone was a forerunner of C.V Mustel's "celesta", but if Auguste invented anything it was maybe an improvement of his father's device (removed one of the sound plates per note).
Later patents issued to Mustel and co refer to "Orgue celesta".  It's not clear anywhere where the commonly used name "celeste" comes from.https://www.celesta-schiedmayer.de/en/celesta/all-about-the-celesta/patent/
125.238.238.225 (talk) 06:02, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct Provenance? 

message: I just saw Bjork on SNL and she had (in addition to several other uncommon instruments) a celesta onstage with her that had two sets of keys.  Any reason for that?  69.253.193.234 04:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple manuals 

message: Back in March 2007, someone editing from I.P. address added information about a work of Guto Puw to this page (in this edit).  In case that IP editor is still around, I just thought I'd mention that there is now an article about Guto Puw and any information that you can add about his works would be appreciated.  Thanks, Bencherlite 16:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Guto Puw]]

message: As it's gotten to the point where people are adding ANYTHING with a celesta in the score, it's probably time to give this a major cleanup, as was done similarly with bass clarinet, and stick to prominent uses. Anyone wanna give this a go? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 11:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree. TheScotch (talk) 08:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up time 

message: Any chance of somebody making a recording and adding it to this article? Seeing a picture is one thing, but the text description of the sound doesn't work for all of us. --Scott Davis Talk 12:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  recording needed 

message: If the celesta was invented in 1889, how did Chausson use it in music written in 1888? 12.76.128.232 (talk) 13:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call. According to Grove, the instrument was actually invented in 1886. This article seems to have been filled with misinformation. I'm trying to fix it as best I can bit by bit. TheScotch (talk) 08:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: It seems like there should be something in here about the celeste's use in 1940's U.S. popular music. It was pretty much the signature sound of that era.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.87.94 (talk) 19:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I can't recall off the top of my head a single use of the celeste in 1940's U.S. pop music. TheScotch (talk) 06:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Boogie-woogie pianist Meade Lux Lewis has three solo celesta pieces on the following album: http://www.amazon.com/Blues-Piano-Artistry-Meade-Lewis/dp/B000000Z6Z/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1309103920&sr=8-8 Kylegann (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1940's 

message: Re: "Well, if we're going with [s], at least put it in the IPA. Also, it does seem that some other languages pronounce it with a [tʃ]; someone wanna check it's never pronounced so in English?":
1. I used the pronunciation format for one of the three English dictionaries I checked, confident that eventually someone would come along and change it to whatever format wikipedia generally considers standard, which you appear to have done. Thanks. 
2. I'm not sure how the words are pronounced in other languages, but I don't think this is particularly relevant for the English language version of wikipedia, except to note that celesta and celeste come to English from French, where the c couldn't possibly be pronounced ch, and to French from Latin, where again it couldn't possibly be pronounced ch. (If you have, or come to have, information about how they are pronounced in other languages, though, I'd be curious to hear it.)
3. Because I checked three English dictionaries (and especially because the first dictionary was the first edition of the American Heritage, the most reputable and reliable English dictionary ever published) and because of the etymology of these terms, I'm confident they are never properly pronounced with a ch sound in English. I have heard celeste mispronounced with a ch sound in English by a person who seemed to assume mistakenly the word to derive from Italian. (I feel unfortunately obliged to point out that in this case the speaker in question was putting on an affected manner of speech in other respects as well. In other words, not only is this mispronunciation not proper, it is also unnatural.) TheScotch (talk) 09:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please tell your friends to start pronouncing celeste correctly. It's an English s sound, not an English ch sound. Celeste is French, not Italian. Thank you. (I'm also a professional keyboardist, by the way--and I've played the cello in an orchestra. The first consonant of cello is pronounced ch because cello is ITALIAN.) TheScotch (talk) 07:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper pronunciation 

message: I've seen many sites that say Widor used the celesta in the above ballet.  But how can that be when the instrument was not invented until 1886 (or 1889, depending on the source)?  -- JackofOz (talk) 21:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as this site doesn't say it, I think we're okay. Anyway, I've cited the source of my 1886 as Grove. What's your source for 1889? TheScotch (talk) 08:08, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Widor's ''La Korrigane'' (1880)

message: I always hate it when people add to pop culture listcruft here, so I'm a little embarrassed to be doing this, but: I would argue that the Velvet Underground's "Sunday Morning" and Iggy & the Stooges' "Penetration" are notable rock usages of the celeste. Thoughts?—Chowbok ☠ 21:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you think so, add them. I for one just didn't want it to be a massive list of every little rock song that uses it, out of proportion to the thousands of classical pieces in the last 120 years that have used it. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 23:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock examples 

message: I find it a bit odd that Prokofiev isn't mentioned in the history section of this page. Prokofiev's groundbreaking work Romeo and Juliet features an incredibly well-known -- and dare I say -- haunting Celeste solo. Prokofiev was also noted for utilizing the Celeste occasionally in his other works. ...Ω.....¿TooT?....¡StatS!.. 03:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about the instrument. If Prokofiev has used the instrument in this ballet in a novel and influential way, then the article might reasonably discuss it--saying what that novel and influential way is. If it's merely that this is a famous piece involving the celeste such that it is easy to notice and remember it involves the celeste, then we have too many examples already, thank you very much. If you're dying to fit Prokofiev's ballet and the celeste together in some Wikipedia article, see if there's an existing Wikipedia article about the piece itself. TheScotch (talk) 08:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prokofiev 

message: This is one of a few well-known instruments that I've found on Wikipedia without a diagram of its range. I have found a site from Virginia Tech with a brief description of a lot of music theory and musical instruments along with a standard range for each instrument. Here is the website: http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textc/Celesta.html impinball 12:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Range of Instrument 

message: From what I can see, there is barely a sentence relating to the construction of the celesta. I for one would be interested to see a few internal pictures, to read about a description of the action (if there is one), to see the steel plates and know what the hammers are composed of.Colbyhawkins (talk) 03:12, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a creative commons photo here, showing the hammers and plates. Here it is full-size, not sure if either pic will really show anything, even if it was cropped, detail. It looks like I imagined it: hammers like a piano, plates like a glockenspiel. Raquel Baranow (talk) 04:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Construction