Talk:Natsuki Kuga

message: I've tried cleaning up this article, which I just stumbled across, but it needs copyediting from someone who actually knows something about this subject - which I do not. Ifnord
: I did some harsh editing on the article just now. I thought the pacing and balancing of it all was just not comprehensible. Feel free to revert the changes, in case you disagree. Rexas 18:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs copyediting 

message: -No evidence that Natsuki hates her father
-No evidence that Natsuki's mother is dead
-Does not clearly explain what Shizuru did to Natsuki
1) Well, in one epsiode, it shows briefly that Natsuki's father allegedly have left with a mistress. That why she hates him.
2) There's no evidence to show she's not exactly alive, either. She could have been in a persistent vegetative state, though.
*She seems to be dead. The scene of Natsuki throwing flowers into the ocean (as well as the fact that they are white lillies, in Japan white = death) seems to indicate that her mother is dead. Katsuhagi 01:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short list of problems 

message: Yes, there is evidence that Natsuki hates her father. It's mentioned in the mini novel entitled "Natsuki no Prelude" Or simply Natsuki's prelude which is covered in both the official "Mai Hime animation books: Volumes 1 and 2"
Here's a translation of what was said:
"After leaving the bar, Natsuki straddled her bike, that was parked earlier in the back of the bar, and tied her hair back to put on her helmet.
Her beloved vehicle which she aqcuired only a month ago. 
A foreign type, the same model that her father once owned.
Natsuki didn't really know why she had chosen this model.
Because Natsuki hated her father."
It continues to explain *why* she hated her father. There's other interesting stuff about her father's affair but I'm not sure if I should mention it
- WK --Lonewolfkuga 14:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: I went ahead and rewrote most of the article to bring it to a higher standard of quality. I think I've ironed out most of the kinks, both grammar and content-wise, but feel free to change anything you think you might have to in order to have the quality notice removed. -- Filter 07:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Quality 

message: It says in the HiME manga section that Natsuki's mother is still alive. I've only read the first volume, but it was said she was killed. Is this fact shown in later volumes, or is this refering to the Otome manga? Linkforlife 04:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natsuki's mother 

message: In astrology, Leo doesn't govern the hips. It governs the cardio-vascular system, the back, and the spine. Furthermore, Natsuki's HiME mark is actually on her lower back, even though it appears to be on or near her left hip. This was confirmed by a close up shot in episode one. If there aren't any objections (any hardcore astrologists out there?), I'd like to edit that little bit of trivia. -- Filter 07:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Just a little Mistake that's been fixed: It's the Preview/ Trailer for Episode 11 at the End of Episode 10, not the Preview/ Trailer for Episode 10 at the End of Episode 9. (I've checked it) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.232.26.24 (talk) 15:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why a mini-dialogue is considered trivia. It seems like more needless information to me.Filter 01:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia (Trailer for Episode...)

message: This is more in response to the most recent edits than anything else (recent as of 08 February 2007), but...
This article should focus on Natsuki as much as possible. However, I don't think a complete rundown of her actions in My-HiME and My-Otome is necessary. I want to know about the character, but not how she did X in episode Y with side-character Z. That's just too much information. Besides, if I wanted a story synopsis, I'd drop by the My-HiME and My-Otome articles themselves.
Also, to whomever made the edits in question, spellcheck exists for a reason. And please consult the FAQ to learn how to make working links to other articles. I was going to edit everything myself, but the sheer volume of new (and in my opinion, unnecessary) information proved too much for me. Filter 13:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some work on it too, and while some information was good too much of it seemed unecessary, so I did some trimming. It also seemed to not be portraying the Shizuru/Natsuki relationship in a proper light, so I changed some wording. I've mentioned before how with the incident at the manor we should just stick to saying we know Shizuru disrobed, lay down next to her, and we don't know anything else. I think I have it at a good state now, but it might need a cleanup tag. Katsuhagi 14:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went through the article and attempted to whittle it down a bit. I kept some of what was added, naturally, but I ended up deleting most of the fluff. I think it's much better this way. Also, was Natsuki's mother working for SEARRS, First District, or both? I don't have access to my DVDs right now, so I can't check for myself. Filter 02:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Scope 

message: I understand that the articles for My-HiME need to be 'to the point'; however, the way this Natsuki page is being edited, the article lacks much information, facts and basic interesting stuff an encyclopedia should have. In short - its boring. Many other more developed pages on anime characters have detailed biographies, that detail personality as well as major events. This article is as vague as can be, and I added the much needed facts because the main page has pretty much nothing on the series. The character pages are seriously lacking, and so much information is being cut out, that this page is almost totally pointless because it gives you a rundown of the character - nothing else. Spoilers alerts are there for a reason, and getting an insight into a great anime series is half the fun of Wiki. I think far more info is needed in all the pages, and I would be more than happy to discuss what more should be added to this page. 
I apologize for not posting my edits on the discussion earlier; I am new to this, and I certainly have read the FAQ. I just need more practice, so please bear with me. I have insight into the whole series (with all 26 eps on my computer, as well as having seen the DVD Omake Specials, and the manga on my computer as well), so any disputes on clarity can be handled by me referencing the canon work (though translation debates may arise ^_^). I really look forward to adding not only to this particular article, but to the whole of Wikipedia as well. Thanx! Saintvlas22 12:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we all appreciate the effort, and I understand that it can be hard at first to figure out exactly how things work. It's in general a difficult balance between getting information you want in and keeping to the format. In the edits I made I generally tried to cut down things that had been repeated elsewhere (such as in Shizuru's article) but I think if you have something to add just to be safe it's a good idea to put it here first, as I know I check this almost daily so would very likely see anything new. Katsuhagi 18:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Details details... 

message: It was always my interpretation that Duran was supposed to be a reference to Durandal, the sword of Roland. It may not have the same obvious meaning as Mai's Kagutsuchi or Shizuru's Kiyohime, but it makes more sense than Duran Duran. I've also heard that it could be a based from Dylan from Celtic Mythology.  Wererat42 05:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Duran might be the Irish reference, but as far as the manga goes I think Saeko's Child was referencing the band. Katsuhagi 14:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duran 

message: Natsuki does save Akane; more specifically, she takes Akane out of the hospital (the dialogue in episode 13 implies Iwasaka Pharmeceutical - aka Searrs - controls it) and takes her to a private doctor with Yamada's help.  Akane calls Natsuki in ep. 16-17 and talks to her; later, Yamada tells Natsuki that he's moved Akane to another hospital, one free of connections to a major organization. Phony Saint 23:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning Akane 

message: Quoting significant amounts of text doesn't follow WP:FAIR, even as a translation. A proper reference would be which guidebook it comes from and possibly what page(s). I'd think one or two lines about Natsuki's Prelude is good enough. Phony Saint 20:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natsuki's Prelude 

message: Natsuki is specifically in class 1-B (meaning a first-year) with Akane Higurashi. One of the fansubs incorrectly translates a sentence to say that she is in her second year. Her statement in the later episode is after her birthday, according to the official site. Phony Saint 18:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In one of the episodes I watched, Natsuki stated to Mai that she is 17 years old and she missed a year of school 
and that's why she's not in her proper age group class
Musicalmelodygirl 00:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Sakomizu said that Natsuki would have to take extra classes or else retake the first year of high school. My-HiME has yet to cover what happened next, so we don't know what she did. Phony Saint 14:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks I forgot about that. That is assuming she bothers, then again she's practically Sam Fisher Jr. so she probably will, come to think of it I wonder what Shizuru will do stay or graduate. Deus-Helios 9:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natsuki's age and class 

message: Mayo and lingerie collecting is listed under her common characteristics is that really correct? She's shown in the Orphan explanation omake adding a whole bottle of mayo (or at least what looks like it) into her ramen but doesn't do so near the end when she eats at Mai's place though her profile lists her favourite food as mayo and lingerie is mostly restricted to the anime and only touched upon in the manga when Tate gets crushed under a pile of bras and panties while in her apartment (the scene seems to mostly emphasize her closet girlishness which Shizuru mentions in the 4th omake). They're completely absent in My-Otome. Also wouldn't embarassing herself or getting into embarassing situations suit her better across the four media better than mayo and lingerie?--Deus-Helios 05:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lingerie collection is mentioned for Kruger somewhere in the Drama CDs. IDK about the mayo though. --Warp L. Obscura 05:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright in that case there is probably a drama CD about mayo for Kruger as well then that someone was able to access. Mostly I'm under the impression that mayo is simply a very popular gag, if you look around fanfic.net and various fanarts mayo jokes are very common for her even though her anime incarnation gags mostly center around her getting in embarrassing situations like when she flashes Takeda, Mai and Mikoto and when she poses for hitchhiking and in Otome when Nao cuts her belt to hitchhike.--Deus-Helios 07:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common Characteristics? 

message: --202.7.150.150 14:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Countess? 

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