Talk:Peyton List (actress, born 1998)

message: Could we possibly get an updated photo for this page. My daughter searched her name and got to this page, but remarked on how the image looked nothing like the actress she is familiar with on Disney Channel. I looked at the page and noticed the hatnote. Surprised to learn that there are two Peyton List's, and without reading the note carefully, I immediatedly clicked on the link to Peyton List. Only to find out that was wrong actress and we were on the right page to begin with. Any photo at that page, or a more recent one here would help with this kind of confusion. I agree with my daughter (a rarity) that the photo in this article (which is from four years ago) looks nothing like she does now.--Racerx11 (talk) 03:27, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The photo is the only free-use photo available and it does accurately reflect her appearance in 2008. The link marked "Resume photo" in the External Images box is a more recent photo, and that is why it was added there, but it cannot be used directly as it is not free-use. If you can find a more current free-use photo please upload it to commons and link to it in this article. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the things I have yet to try on Wikipedia is the searching for free-use images and uploading them. Maybe I will look into it at try to find something. --Racerx11 (talk) 15:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: , I just updated the photo. --Simon.hess (talk) 22:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  More recent picture needed; particularly since there happens to be two of them 

message: Could we get another photo of Peyton List.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.253.13 (talk) 18:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  another recent photo 

message: All citations have been given now. InfocenterM (talk) 15:06, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: The article needs a new picture. Who had to delete the 2012 image? NASA whiz (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  NEW PICTURE 

message: So far we don't seem to have a web site other than her twitter account that could be considered her official site. Twitter, as a social media site, is generally discouraged per WP:ELNO and should be replaced if something better can be found, but it is still permitted for use in this article as it is pretty much the only site that "give[s] the reader the opportunity to see what the subject says about itself". Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twitter account as official site 

message: I'm curious about the page move, from Peyton List (actress, 1998) to Peyton List (teen actress) — as well as the page move from Peyton List (actress, 1986) to Peyton List (adult actress). It may not be a problem right now, but in two years, when the younger List is 20, "teen actress" will become an outdated description and we would need to perform another page move. The original names of the articles, at least IMO, were fine. Also see the topic "Page move from Peyton Roi List to Peyton List (actress born 1998) - explanation" earlier in the talk page. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:18, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason at all for the page move. No discussion and the pages for both actresses were properly disambiguated in the first place. Also disambiguating to (teen actress) and (adult actress) are very poor choices as one will age out of that and the other remains ambiguous as 18 is still an adult. I undid the move. If a move is desired, discuss it first. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:04, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

text: As I also mentioned in the RFDs, both Lists have worked as teenage actresses and models. Dismbiguation by year is best. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:24, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the page move? 

message: Hello. My account is not verified, so I cannot make an edit, but don't forget that Peyton List was a star actress in The Swap. If anyone can make that addition, please do! Thanks! Ean173 (talk) 04:13, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Already listed in the filmography. Was there something else you wanted to add about it? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:18, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Swap 

message: Use full name, Peyton Roi List, to differentiate between the two actresses. Sagecandor (talk) 01:04, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See #Page move from Peyton Roi List to Peyton List (actress born 1998) - explanation in this talk page. There already is a redirect at Peyton Roi List for those looking for that name and that redirect is linked to from the 3 articles where she is credited that way. Her WP:COMMONNAME is Peyton List and that should be the article name. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:59, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We now have a secondary source that says she herself goes by Peyton R. List to avoid the confusion. Sagecandor (talk) 02:19, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

text: See #Page move from Peyton Roi List to Peyton List (actress born 1998) - explanation in this talk page. Still applies. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:17, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peyton Roi List  

message: ===Shared name with fellow actress Peyton List (born 1986)===
Peyton List shares the exact same name with a fellow actress, Peyton List (born 1986). see also link at Yahoo! News The younger Peyton List was interviewed by Access Hollywood about the confusion. She told Access Hollywood that she will sometimes go by Peyton R. List to avoid being confused for the other actress of the same name. Normally SAG-AFTRA, the trade union representing actors, has a strict policy about avoiding having actors with the exact same name, but this instance went by unnoticed. The younger actress explained how that came to be: “I guess I signed up with my real name and she signed up with her middle name." The two actresses have appeared together — when the older Peyton List starred on the soap opera As the World Turns as character Lucy Montgomery, the younger Peyton List appeared on the same program. The younger actress said much confusion occurred with the production staff for their respective television shows when they ended up staying at the same hotel:"“We stayed at the same hotel actually at one point and we got each other’s call sheets and I got voicemails for her and she got the same thing from me."
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Added above sourced content to the article. Sagecandor (talk) 01:54, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added info, section on actresses with same names, from interview with Access Hollywood by younger actress 

message: Peyton List shares the exact same name with a fellow actress, Peyton List (born 1986). see also link at Yahoo! News The younger Peyton List was interviewed by Access Hollywood about the confusion. She told Access Hollywood that she will sometimes go by Peyton R. List to avoid being confused for the other actress of the same name. Normally SAG-AFTRA, the trade union representing actors, has a strict policy about avoiding having actors with the exact same name, but this instance went by unnoticed. The younger actress explained how that came to be: “I guess I signed up with my real name and she signed up with her middle name." The two actresses have appeared together — when the older Peyton List starred on the soap opera As the World Turns as character Lucy Montgomery, the younger Peyton List appeared on the same program. The younger actress said much confusion occurred with the production staff for their respective television shows when they ended up staying at the same hotel:"“We stayed at the same hotel actually at one point and we got each other’s call sheets and I got voicemails for her and she got the same thing from me."
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Added above sourced content to the article. Sagecandor (talk) 01:54, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Shared name with fellow actress Peyton List (born 1986)

message: Added clarification to first sentence due to confusion by a secondary source referring to this Wikipedia article itself
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Sagecandor (talk) 02:25, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we can discuss here on the talk page and perhaps come to a resolution here? Sagecandor (talk) 02:28, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of edit summaries as the main tool for communication, could we discuss this more on the talk page here maybe? Sagecandor (talk) 02:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it's okay to just wait and if there is no explanation in this section for why we can't have clarification in the first sentence of the body text itself, it's okay to just add it back later after waiting a while for a reply here. Sagecandor (talk) 02:40, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Status and plan going forward: --  Here is the edit that adds the clarification to the first sentence . Compare with the confusion from the secondary source: 'Peyton List is an American actress and model.' This Wikipedia description is accurate and true. The problem? It’s true about two different people. I plan to not take further action about this particular piece of content in the first sentence -- but if there's no reply in this section on the talk page explaining why it should not be added, then it can be added back after waiting a sufficient amount of time first. Sagecandor (talk) 02:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been explained to you that the note to clear up any potential confusion isn't the problem, it's that it's unnecessary to openly have it there. Using a WP:HATNOTE is sufficient. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:48, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer it be explained on talk page here and not via edit summary and to have requests to discuss on talk page be ignored. Still waiting. Sagecandor (talk) 02:49, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't get what I said. Geraldo clearly explained to you two different times that the note itself wasn't the problem, it's how you were presenting it. It is unnecessary in the open. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:08, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

text:  I stongly disagree with adding something that is explicitly covered by an existing hatnote. That is why we have hatnotes and this situation is well and correctly covered in that manner. WP:OPENPARA also does not make any allowance for this type of info. This is article is about one particular person and significant info about someone else is really not in WP:SCOPE. It is fine to have a section in the article about the confusion but that has excessive detail as currently written. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:51, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Geraldo Perez thank you for coming here to this section of the talk page as requested to discuss as per the 3rd step in "bold, revert, discuss", at WP:BRD. I think the main concern here is that secondary sources have already looked at this very Wikipedia article and stated the verbatim first sentences are confusing. So we now have outside evaluation from third party readers to Wikipedia. Sagecandor (talk) 02:54, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't Geraldo's responsibility to follow WP:BRD, it's yours since your edits are the ones challenged, not his. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:08, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully we can all agree it is in the spirit of collaboration to communicate on the talk page as much as possible when editing when anyone has a conflict, whatever the side may be. Sagecandor (talk) 03:12, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

text: I don't think the first sentence needs to be sourced to that column.  It should just indicate her full name, birth date, that she is an American actress and model, and what she is known for.  Just as with George W. Bush mentions 43rd President of the United States,  Peyton List (1998) can say that she played Emma Ross in Jessie, as that's by far her most known role. There's also that other section down below that talks about how the two are confused so in the opener paragraph, maybe that can be briefly mentioned.. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:20, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with , that is a great idea to add to the first sentence what she is most known for, and I like your example of George W. Bush. Sagecandor (talk) 03:22, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this edit by , that adds some sorely needed clarification, thank you  !!! Sagecandor (talk) 03:25, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added clarification to first sentence due to confusion by a secondary source referring to this Wikipedia article itself 

message: Per WP:Twitter-EL, we can remove the Twitter link from the External links section. Sagecandor (talk) 03:26, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:ELNO Says generally we do not put social media external links but at the top of the section is makes an explicit exception for exactly one that could be considered an official site if nothing better can be found. The link is OK until we get a better official site. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:37, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, okay, alright, I see that, but she also has an Instagram, Reddit, and Facebook. Maybe the Facebook would be best instead. Sagecandor (talk) 03:39, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Twitter's fine for now. The others aren't needed unless she uses them far more than Twitter as the primary correspondence. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:44, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  We try to pick exactly one that is verified and is the best one for personal info. We can't have more than just the one. If another one is better than twitter, we use that, and drop twitter. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:48, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

text: Only the first one is verified to that one is hers. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:47, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Odd, as it looks like the other two have recent posts by herself. More recent than the first one. Sagecandor (talk) 04:51, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: She may be playing around or using them for other purposes, or a real good poser is trying to be her. We can only trust the verified one. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I hear you, it could be either one, that makes sense. Sagecandor (talk) 04:54, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Twitter link from External links section 

message: 1986 Peyton List - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0514228/ has wrong photos with some of the 1998 Peyton List.
Anyone able to contact the to fix that ? 
Sagecandor (talk) 04:06, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Just the stuff at IMDbHelp might be a place to start. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:50, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you could do it as you seem to have more history and experience with this page? Sagecandor (talk) 04:54, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried correcting IMDb in the past and it is not fun and I have found it very frustrating. I prefer to stick with Wikipedia as I at least somewhat understand how things work here. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:58, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, okay, I'm sorry you had that negative experience with IMDB in the past. It's too bad that still to this day that IMDB is confusing the two actresses. Wish there was some way to help with that. Sagecandor (talk) 05:02, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't. Believe me,  has also tried to no avail. Something to do with one of a series' seasons having 20 episodes instead of 21 or something like that and they cited other unreliable sources as their justification. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:09, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ack that's really too bad ! Sad to hear that about  but thanks, , for letting us know of those prior experiences. Maybe in the future the actresses will each change their names or add middle initials or something and have their agents contact IMDB. Sagecandor (talk) 05:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMDB has confused photos 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Peyton List (actress, born 1986) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 18:30, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Move discussion has been withdrawn. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:28, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: It should've never been named Peyton List (actress born 1998) when it was first created. The other Peyton was born in 1986 and is 12 years older than her. 
So an article name change to this would be great. People with names like these have to be disambiguated which is already done for both of them. Please let this happen. 
Good night, 
67.81.163.178 (talk) 03:31, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No. See #Page move from Peyton Roi List to Peyton List (actress born 1998) - explanation on this page above. Nothing has changed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:08, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename Article To Peyton Roi List 

message: At this point, the article only shows two sentences:  Plus, Filmography lists an appearance in one music video. Collectively, this is not enough to establish her notability as a singer. I'm thinking if she releases at least one album or at least two or three more singles, that might tip the scale, but I'm not sure at exactly what point we can classify her as a singer. Thoughts? And perhaps other music-related criteria that could establish her notability? MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:29, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NSINGER should be met if she is to be considered notable as a singer. Basically non-trivial coverage in multiple sources as a singer or had an album or single charted. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:51, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

text: Heck – they never even had her sing on either Disney show she was on! Considering that letting the singers "sing" on the Nick and Disney shows is common, the fact that they didn't even have List sing (solo) on either of her shows tells me that she's not much of a singer. Certainly not to any extent that "singer" is a viable "career"!... Once again, until she charts a song somewhere, this should stay out of the article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:31, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singing career 

message: When doing the code for Awards and nominations, it messed up, and the code for the color and “Yes” which should be under award won is under “work” instead, and under “result” is the reference while there is nothing under “ref”. Can someone fix for me? Nyantiaz (talk) 00:27, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issue in Awards and nominations 

message: The image chosen for this article is very poor quality. I feel that we should value a good quality photo over just having the most recent image to hand. I think this image works well. Are there any other suggestions for alternate images or other thoughts? – Meena • 12:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Film is missing from filmography:
The Friendship Game (2022) Role: Zeezo
Someone should add it…I just don’t know how to edit it in. BowmanT534 (talk) 23:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone please add The Friendship Game 2022 to “Filmography:Films”