Talk:Scouting in California/Archive 1

message: Would Wikipedians entertain the idea of having the Councils-by-state sections recategorized to "Scouting in Arizona", "Scouting in Washington", and so on, rather than a list of every council and district? The reason I would like this considered is 
1) no other country's Scouting articles are divided into such minute details (except for The Scout Association of Hong Kong, and really, is that much minutiae important or interesting to the reader?)
2) many councils that a reader may choose to look up, like the Fitchburg Area Council of Massachusetts or the Vigilante Area Council of Montana, went extinct 30+ years ago, yet may be of interest in a more state-based article
3) many states like Alaska share a communal Scout history, only fairly recently being broken into smaller councils, others like North Dakota had several merged into one, and some Scouting histories are better told encompassing an entire state. The fact that Scouts in California prior to the charter of the BSA were the youth arm of the California Highway Patrol, or the fact that Connecticut, while having only eight counties, has had 22 councils over the course of its history, would be well-included in a statewide article
Chris 01:09, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A Scouting in California article (or any other state) should also include information on Girl Scouting, and possibly Scouting For All and other schizmatic groups (for lack of a better word). It doesn't seem unreasonable to combine them into state articles, but don't delete existing council articles in the process. Gentgeen 01:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: States

message: Earlier this year, there was a mass killing of articles about Boy Scout councils and Boy Scout camps. Many of the articles were of poor quality, but the real reason that the articles failed to be saved was lack of a coordinated defense on the part of the Scouting WikiProject. In response to that, there was a move by one user to merge as many Scouting related articles as possible into ‘state’ articles like Scouting in California rather than a push to expand the smaller articles that existed. 
In term of California, these articles no longer exist.
#Camp Bothin
#Camp Cherry Valley
# Camp Emerald Bay
#Camp Hi-Sierra
#Camp Josepho
#Camp Stuart
# Camp Wolfeboro
#Chesebrough Scout Reservation
#Pico Blanco Scout Reservation
#San Diego-Imperial Council
#San Gabriel Valley Council
# Western Los Angeles County Council
#Camp Oljato
I’m pointing this out to you, because WikiProject Pennsylvania has made a concerted effort to save our articles, which is why ours are most of the few that still exist. --evrik (talk) 16:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Obliteration of Scouting articles related to California

message: === Camp Stuart merge ===
:The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. 
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
I oppose the merger of Camp Stuart into this article. If it should be merged anywhere, it should be into the Santa Clara County Council article. Gentgeen 03:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. 
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
*Merge Camp Oljato to here. Rlevse 14:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. 
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
This needs renamed if not also moved into Scouting in California. None of the other BSA camps have BSA in the article name. To follow convention, it should just be "Campe Wente". It's not a BSA camp anyway, it's owned by a council. Rlevse 17:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merges

message: :The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. 
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
I oppose the merger of Camp Stuart into this article. If it should be merged anywhere, it should be into the Santa Clara County Council article. Gentgeen 03:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camp Stuart merge 

message: :The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. 
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
*Merge Camp Oljato to here. Rlevse 14:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Camp Oljato]]

message: :The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. 
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
This needs renamed if not also moved into Scouting in California. None of the other BSA camps have BSA in the article name. To follow convention, it should just be "Campe Wente". It's not a BSA camp anyway, it's owned by a council. Rlevse 17:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wente Scout Reservation]]

message: Many of the links within the various articles to the individual Scout Councils official web sites are poorly formatted, positioned in different locations, lacking adequate spacing around them, and it is not always clear what the link actually points to. what do you think about populating each council entry with a sub-head Official Site and then add a link to the "official council web site"? 
--btphelps (talk) 15:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: standardized the placement of council links as a separate paragraph after the council intro, if any.  I've left them saying the name of the council rather than changing to 'official site' so far.Cander0000 (talk) 03:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to Scout Council web sites

message: I've added a map, however, I have a few problems
*Girl Scouts of Oregon and SW Washington and Sahuaro Girl Scout Council though listed in the national web site as serving part of California don't actually seem to serve any of California.  At least I couldn't find what bits they did serve
*Two councils claim to serve Solano and Glenn counties and the one with a map showed them serving the whole of those two counties.
*I had to hand draw a few council boundaries and I'm not sure of my accuracy.  The Sierra Nevada council's own map on their web site was a bit rough. --Erp (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been quite a few recent council merges, so I expect that a lot of maps are out of date. Might want to wait a bit and let this shake out. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  21:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of this info is from new council web sites (California had some fairly major reorgs which are now suppose to be done) and I think the map is fairly accurate.  I think Oregon/SW Washington and Sahuaro no longer serve California (except possibly some small enclaves). There are some oddities out there.  I loved Spirit of Nebraska which serves most of Nebraska and one Iowa community, population a bit over 3,000. --Erp (talk) 22:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Girl Scouts