Talk:Napoleon/Archive 1

message: This article contains a link to Consul but that article does not explain what "Consul" meant in France. Andres 11:58, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consul 

message: I've tried copy editing the first couple of paragraphs. I encountered phrase "...declared himself Napoléon I le Grand...".  I revised this to "...declared himself Emperor Napoléon I le Grand..." because "Emperor" is what he declared himself. However, I think it is false that he declared himself le Grand: the man had a world-class ego, but I don't think he took le Grand as part of his title. Unless someone can cite a source for this claim in the next 48 hours, I will feel free to remove "le Grand" from this lead paragraph. -- Jmabel 05:56, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
:No one has replied. I am editing accordingly. -- Jmabel 18:25, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
While we are at it, why "Napoléon" rather than "Napoleon", here and elsewhere in Wikipedia? Isn't the policy to follow common English-language usage, and isn't "Napoleon" more common English-language usage? I tried the Google test: admittedly an imperfect tool, especially because it gives contradictory numbers here -- how can a larger number of French sites use both words than use one particular word? -- but the pattern seems to favor "Napoleon":
 "Napoleon""Napoléon"both
English2,100,00040,90013,900
Any language3,110,000447,00044,300
French414,000415,000418,000
-- Jmabel 19:01, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
:*It's difficult, isn't it?  Because a lot of people just simply don't know (nor have the inclination to learn - I'm guilty of this too) how to access those alt-characters.  So I imagine that will be reflected in the search results. --bodnotbod 19:08, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
::Someone brought this up earlier but I don't see any further discussion of it.  Why, throughout this article, is he referred to  as Napoléon?  This is not the way his name is normally written (or pronounced) in English, which is the language used for this particular version of the Wikipedia? I wish someone would clear this up. Hayford Peirce 01:11, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: His name

message: there are two images on the page without description - perhaps whoever added them could write a little something? violet/riga (t) 11:59, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  two images without descriptions 

message: The box at the bottom that says he was nominally preceded by Louis XVII and effectively by Louis XVI seems to me to be actively misleading. His reign as emperor was effectively preceded by the First French Republic; it was nominally preceded by his own reign as First Consul under the increasingly monarchical forms into which that republic devolved. -- Jmabel 22:46, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)
:And it seems to label three kings as "Emperor". I agree with you entirely...these types of misleading statements often occur in "succession" boxes at points of transition, and they always err towards oversimplification and a false emphasis on continuity. You should change it accordingly, pointing out the discontinuity. - Nunh-huh 22:51, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preceded by... 

message: The claim of Napoléon II rather than Louis XVIII as Head of State of France seems specious. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:44, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
:Napoleon II was recognized by the French legislative assemblies, who signed documents under his name until the return of Louis XVIII in Paris, that's why he is the official successor of Napoleon I, albeit just for a few days. This is very different from say, Louix XIX in 1830, or Louis-Philippe II in 1848, who were never recognized by the French legislative assemblies. Hardouin 13:52, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I've just made some further research to be totally sure about the matter, and it appears that Napoleon II was recognized by the assemblies in 1815, but NOT IN 1814. In 1814, Napoleon I abdicated on April 4 in favor of his son, then on April 6 he abdicated for himself and for his son. That same day the assemblies called "Louis-Stanislas-Xavier de France, brother of the last king" to the throne of France. The abdication of Napoleon I in favor of his son was not recognized. So head of state goes directly from Napoleon I to Louis XVIII in 1814. I am correcting that in the tables. But in 1815 there's Napoleon II for sure. Hardouin 15:52, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  successor 

message: It didn't look like there was any real information on his government so I started a new section with some facts I know. Most of what I wrote is taken from notes I took during a humanities course.--Drozmight 14:42, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Government Section