Talk:Bunt (community)

message: Bunts are no where similar to nair community of kerela. some one with pov want to vantalize this page. please take care.
Give evidences supporting your argument.Article 'nair relations with bunt' is supported with evidence from reliable sources.Also things like maritenial way of inheritance,martial tradition are common to both the communities.
Sitush is here too, after destroying the Nair page. Bunts, be careful!! He is a christian hell bend on portraying all hindu castes in bad light.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.99.254.247 (talk) 17:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a personal blog, and not a reliable source. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:57, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  nairs 

message: This article is being repeatedly edited by some anon ip's who keep on adding unrequired wiki links to the article like the word Nair is linked more than 10 times.a link should be only once it shouldn't be repeated.also in the notable sections please only add names which have a wiki article.and don't mix up nairs and bunts notable nairs should be in List of Nairs and bunts in the notable  Bunts sub section page.this page is also not meant to write comments on the photographs in the articleLinguisticgeek (talk) 07:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Page style

message: This edit on 07:44, 14 January 2010 added this text "according to one of various theories regarding the origin of Kadamba Kings ,they are connected to the bunts since one inscription states the kadambas belonging to the Nāga or the serpent lineage". I looked at the reference used for the claim. Here is the link to the reference. The page 10 as indicated by the reference does not mention the word "Bunt". could it be that the page number is wrong. could the person who added the text please clarify this. Thanks. --CarTick 11:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bunts and Kadambas 

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message: There is at present a trend developing to remove the "glorifying" collages of beautiful people and heroes from infoboxes on caste articles. The reasons are many but include issues relating to WP:NPOV, WP:DUE, WP:OR and even WP:BLP. For this reason, I removed the images from the infobox on this article. - Sitush (talk) 09:37, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox images 

message: This article is a complete disaster in terms of sourcing. I've tagged a lot of stuff & there have been some maintenance tags at the top of the thing for many months now.
I propose to concentrate initially on the Origins section, where there is a weird mix of "Bunts come from Indo-Scythian" and "Bunts come from "Indo-Aryan", not to forget the claim of a relationship to Nairs that I simply cannot source. The nearest I can get to it is Thurston saying that the Bunts are a "corresponding" group to the Nairs, which is not at all the same as saying that they are related.
Yes, I can find sources connecting the Nadavars to the Bunts in some sort of vague way, but I can find nothing connecting the Nairs to the Nadavars & so that link looks dubious. To be honest, the whole section smacks of synthesis and original research ... and a weird situation where it seems we may have actually violated the copyright of a notorious copyright abuser, being Tyagi.
I'll give it a couple of weeks for someone to come up with some evidence/page numbers etc and thereafter, if nothing of merit has appeared, I'll probably remove the section & look towards rebuilding it from scratch. - Sitush (talk) 06:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection to the Nairs 

message: There are too many. What are we trying to do here? Create an article or a page consisting of a photo-montage? I suggest that if we want to insert other people then we need to remove the same number of photos as we insert. - Sitush (talk) 10:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images in infobox 

message: i need some administrators to answer this is sitush not trying to own this article.he is not assuming good faith.constantly pushing unheard of sources like alagodi.what on earth makes alagodi reliable and npov and Edgar Thurston pov.27.4.218.66 (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:ANI. - Sitush (talk) 02:16, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: where can i file a complain against sitush

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message: I hear quite a many mangaloreans including the bunt community there claiming to be of Kashmiri Pandit Origin. Is this TRUE, and if so, should there be a section on it. If there are any sources or books that talk about this linkage, please leave the Links here. -Ambar (talk) 15:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Links with Kashmiri Pandits

message: I am mystified by recent removals of a statement from the lead section by . The edit summaries seem to be saying that there is a difference between matrilineal inheritance and matrilineal descent, which seems reasonable enough until you consider that everyone has 50 per cent descent from their mother.Even TitsforTats seems to agree that a part of the lead statement is sourced elsewhere, so why the entirety is being removed is also a mystery. I would appreciate an proper explanation. - Sitush (talk) 01:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inheritance vs descent 

message: I have created this section because some of the editors think Bunts are not found in Kasargod or may be I'am not sure what their concern is.
One of the editor had reverted the changes I had made where i mentioned "bunts are not just found in the coastal and Kodagu districts of Karnataka but also Kasargodu district of Kerala. 
Historiclayy tulu Nadu being a home to Bunts, which  included Udupi and Dakshina Kannada districts of Karnataka and Kasargodu district of Kerala. 
Few notes from  official website of Kasargod: (Ministry of Communication & IT, Department of Information Technology)
1. Kasargod was part of the Kumbala Kingdom in which there were 64 Tulu and Malayalam villages.
2. Later Kasargod was part of Bekal taluk in the South Canara district of Bombay presidency. 
3. Kasargod became part of Kerala following the reorganisation of states and formation of Kerala in November 1,1956.
Now some people agree that Kasargod belongs to Tulu Naadu, but they argue that bunts don't belong to Kerala.
Read: History of Bunts  
inviting  for discussion.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CodePanda (talk • contribs) 08:56, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we have consensus on this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CodePanda (talk • contribs) 15:54, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where are bunts found? just Dakshina Kannada & Udupi? NOT Kasargod?? 

message: bunts are not find in kodagu and north canara hence the cited source gives the proper information of the place inhabited by bunts,bunt the edittor PAGEIMPL is constantly reverting the edit eventhrough the cited soure gives proper information,so stop reverting from now onwards.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.49.0.90 (talk) 07:55, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  location  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Please do not vandalize the entries that summary or detail Bunts Community activities within several dynasties that have arisen in the region called Tulu Nadu by either removing sourced association of Bunts with Ruling Dynasties or Military administration activities. These claims have citations.
Other information like Bunt surnames & Rituals are as per the Official Sangha / Organization site of the Bunts Community - do not vandalize this information - the primary source is the Official Site itself. There is no source more valid than the Official Bunts Community Sangha (Organization) for surnames, ritual information. Every other source regarding rituals, surnames, etc is secondary source of information. 
Detail real information about the Bunts Community from Official Organizations involved with the Bunts Community on Daily basis. 
Do not remove information from Official Bunts Community Sangha Organization. After all, it is the Bunts Community Wiki Page & this page should reflect accurate information about the Bunts Community.
Please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia and its citation policy before dumping content on the article that is badly phrased. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a page to promote any community organisation. Linguisticgeek (talk)
There is nothing in the statement in summary that violates any rule & reflects the summary information of the Bunts Community with Citations of Claims & neither is this page used to organize communal organization. The page refers to the bunts Community & needs to reflect Accurate information of the community. We have not added any mythology like being born of snakes, etc. This page needs to reflect accurate information about this community if you want it to refer to the Bunts community of India Writer2editor (talk) 13:12, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surnames, Religious Rituals & Bunts Community Activities as the Military Class of Tulu Nadu region 

message: Sitush is accused of these vandalization along with Linguisticgeek
1- Removal of Religious Activites of the Bunts like Nagaradhane 
2- False accusations & misrepesentation about grammatical errors
3- Accurate sourcing of material in summary 
4- removal of information of bunts community sangha with real knowledge of this community
Writer2editor (talk) 07:21, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of important religious & historical context of the bunts community by Sitush  

message: This information has been detailed & cited in the History section & i have simply summarized these claims in at the beginning which is very important to our Bunts community.
The two users - Sitush & Linguisticgeek, are acting in bad faith trying to erase the evidence of Martial activities of the bunts by erasing this piece of information & presenting a half baked image summary of the Buntaru warrior community that are liberal in both Religion & work. Being liberal does not mean, people can simply erase & rewrite history of entire communities to suit their own world view. Reality does not work this way.
This information has full citations in the history section in detail - do not remove this piece of information because we need it to present a full picture of bunts community as both martial class, land gentry & urban folk who were liberal in India - the community is filled with jain, hindu & other traditions & is a testament to adaptation over the thousands of years. 
Writer2editor (talk) 08:40, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bunts as a Martial Class have been active in several Dynasties like Alupa dynasty, Tuluva dynasty 

message: My background is that I am a bunt investor & want to present perfect historical, ritualistic, customs image of my community.
I have made contributions from official Bunts community sangha page & our martial, ritual history is very important for me & my people especially while living abroad. We cannot tolerate half truths & lies due to omissions of vital details that have been presented here like claims of martial activities with in several dynasties of Tulunadu, Kerala & Karnataka. 
Due to business ventures, I may often be busy but will keep an eye on this page. Failure to present accurate information about us & any efforts to omit certain details pertaining to our martial class history, activities, other historical or ritualistic information will entail swift action & request to delete this page because half truths & lies by omissions is simply defamation & poor representation of the bunts community very likely by NON BUNT users here
This warning is in good faith, there should be no politics while presenting true information & representing a community.
Message to fellow bunts members: "Ee Page-nu thoolai, dai-pandha net-tai musthu politics nada-thondu undu - enklain-nu mokulu SC/ST malpunet-te ullaire. Jaggratte"
Writer2editor (talk) 08:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , Please read  WP:NOR, WP:HERE, WP:NOTHERE, WP:OWN and most importantly WP:THREAT.. best regards --Adamstraw99 (talk) 09:33, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , in addition to above mentioned guidelines, you need to read and understand this too -->> WP:TRUTH.. Also you appear to be ignorant about the fact that there is no such things like "Wikipedia staff" who work/write upon on any article...Google is a search engine which only helps in finding reliable sources, nothing more than that...and Facebook is already not considered reliable source in Wikipedia...You appear to be confused about how Wikipedia works...We work here as volunteers and this is a collaboratively developed project in good faith..kindly see this... I would again request you to thoroughly go through all these links -->> WP:NOR,  WP:NOTHERE, WP:OWN and most importantly WP:THREAT...-- best regards --Adamstraw99 (talk) 11:28, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

text:  Google is leftist-biased or not, i don't know but you are free to pick your sources from it or pick another search engine.. Everybody is free to edit Wikipedia but in case of any disagreement with other editor(s), kindly go through this process].. Best --Adamstraw99 (talk) 12:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  My name is Writer2editor, I am a Bunt Investor  

message: Was the Bunt community “officially” categorised? How can one publication claim for its status? The Varna system was not prevalent in South India and the Bunt caste was not part of the chaturvarna system. The classification mentioned in the publication seemed more like an opinion. Claims like Kshatriya/Sat Shudra/Upper Shudra/Clean Shudra etc should not be added as it would confuse readers. Claims should not be made until it is official. PageImp (talk) 19:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You are being obtuse now. You are well aware that there is no official varna status for anyone, anywhere: it is a mix of how people perceive themselves and how others perceive them, with the latter counting for much more. Yes, the system was weak in South India but it was so in a way that meant people were either brahmins or shudras, yet at first here you were wanting to classify Bunts as kshatriya. In other words, until you couldn't get your own glorifying way you were quite happy to accept that the system existed in the region and then, once you could revert no further, you decide that it did not. This is blatant pov-pushing and if you persist in it you will be at least banned from contributing to this article and probably from all caste-related articles. - Sitush (talk) 01:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Varna rules not applicable in south india. The bunts Reddy kongu vellalars menons are kshatriyas of South india. Mumbai777 (talk) 08:41, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

text: PageImp is now blocked for 31 hours for that personal attack, after having already been warned. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it is worth, I didn't add that information in the first place. However, a search for bants reveals  saying  I really have more important things to do than this at the moment. - Sitush (talk) 16:52, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Same source later says  And that's me done here for now. - Sitush (talk) 17:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

text: You will need to provide a reliable source to support your claims. And if you dispute the source that's in the article, you would need to do more than just claim that it "proves nothing at all" - you would need to address the actual content of the source and explain why it does not support the content it is cited against. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Oh, I'll just add that what you *want* to be categorized as, and your feelings, are not of any relevance. Nor is any consideration of glory. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:33, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove “Varna Classification” section 

message: Please avoid citing the "states" series of The People of India because it is not considered reliable. The "national" series, which was published by Oxford University Press, is fine. One discussion is here. - Sitush (talk) 15:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''The People of India'' 

message: Today, with these edits,  deleted the sourced content without giving a proper explanation and replaced it with improperly/poorly sourced content. The content added by them is poorly sourced, as one of their two cited sources is authored by a politician (Ram Manohar Lohia) and is non-scholarly in nature. The other source doesn't seem to mention "Bunt" anywhere in it. The sources are improperly cited, as the user didn't give page number(s) in their citations. So I will revert their changes for now. They should propose their preferred version here, along with providing the relevant quotations.
PS: Previously, similar edits were made by an editor who is now topic banned. And those edits were challenged by  – see this section. So I am pinging him as well. - NitinMlk (talk) 23:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We're getting a lot of this lately, so I've put a semi-protection on the article for 3 months. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: I have added a new section called “Reservation Status” and explained the reservation controversy. I have moved the reservation information from the introduction to the newly created subheading. It’s better to not misportray the community without sufficient explanation.
Bitterpill99 (talk) 08:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Reservation

message: Why are bots being used to reverse the edits within seconds, The new description had some old links and some new links as well, and since when does Wikipedia allow bots to monitor pages ?
 Anthrop2238 (talk) 11:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bots monitoring the page and removing neutral content