Talk:Kosovo/Archive 8

message: The president and the prime minister are not transitional. They were democratically and regularly elected under the UN observation. You did revert this, without bringing facts that determine that or prove the contrary.
Asterion, Lituani and others with extreme need to change the historical facts or anything that has to do with Kosova:
Show a little respect and don’t use this article for any Serbian propaganda. I guess you have a problem to face the truth: for the first time in the last 5 or 6 years there are politicians in important positions in Prishtina, and they were not brought from Belgrade, but democratically elected by the ethnical people in Kosova. 
My friends, you can not change that. This is just an internet encyclopaedia; it will never affect any political decision about Kosova or her future. I hope at least you are getting rich with your jobs for the Serbian government, I mean I hope for you guys, you are not doing this kind of propaganda for free! On the other side, I am really sorry for you guys, because as I said, this article will never ever change the reality in Kosova. You are just wasting time and money on it. Respect,--Mig11 11:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mig11, no use in explaining to them. :)) Of course the political decision is (already) taken somewhere else. More and more (mainly US and UK, which matters the most) officials say it openly, like did US envoy to Kosovo, Mr. Wisner, or Mr. Burns (he burns indeed, but selectively, the Serbian nationalists only). Long time ago I suspected that this bunch of reverters, who strong-headedly revert every edit that is not pro-Serbian, are paid somewhere by someone. Being quite familiar with the Serbian intelligence services, I know that they are even capable of that. This time they have no chances. Kosova is to be independent this year, not even later than that. And all enemies of the prosperity of Kosova will be forced to take an eternal break, as they won't be able to stop us from building our future ON OUR OWN in our OWN (formally recognized) independent and beloved country Kosova. Greetings to you my friend, Ilir pz 20:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The Entire Government is transitional until the final status of Kosovo is resolved. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Transitional was the government which existed in Kosova from the moment Serbian troops left the territory of Kosova, until the first democratic and internationally recognized elections took place, HRE. Hashim Thaqi was the prime minister of the transitory government. Regards,Ilir pz 20:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, yes, you're right, my friend. However, you're not right about the latter. It isn't internationally recognized. The Serbian government in Bosnia and Herzegovina was transitional (unrecognized in 1992-1995). Same with the Croatian Herzeg-Bosnia government there in 1992-1994, or the Serbian Frontier government in Croatia in 1991-1995. Those were all transitional. Including the 1991-1992 governments in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Kosovo's government will be transitional until this is finished in the same maner like in those cases (Dayton Accords...). Sincerely. --HolyRomanEmperor 11:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

text: What do you mean? Those elections were organized by UN and OSCE?!? Rugova became the president. Am I missing something here? I am not talking about elections organized in the period 1990-1999, which were valid for Kosovar Albanians, (and the state of Albania) only. Ilir pz 12:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transitional 

message: User:Ilir pz, in your last edits, you have marked the changes as a minor edit and added the comment "Minor changes". This is not right. A minor edit generally implies trivial changes only, such as typo corrections, formatting and presentational changes and rearranging of text without changing any content. Therefore, any change that affects the meaning of an article is not minor, even if it involves one word. The distinction between major and minor edits is significant because you may decide to ignore minor edits when viewing recent changes; logged-in users can even set their preferences to not display them. No one wants to be fooled into ignoring a significant change to an article simply because it was marked "minor." So remember to consider the opinions of other editors when choosing this option. Please do not replace Wikipedia pages or sections with blank content. It is considered vandalism. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.  No need to say the article will be duely reverted to the last comprehensive version. Asterion 22:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Ignoring the user completely for his uncivil attacks, and constant revert war in any page that deals with the people from my beloved country KosovA)Ilir pz 10:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what I am talking about. Ilir pz 10:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Ignoring the user completely for his uncivil attacks, and constant revert war in any page that deals with the people from my beloved country KosovA)Ilir pz 11:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete disregard for other wikipedians' work and uncivil behaviour 

message: Thanks for invitation to participate in WikiProject Dardania. However, I will refuse that offer for now. The current unsolved status of Kosovo and the constant revert wars between Serbs and Albanians about Kosovo-related articles are not very good starting point for Wikipedia to have good articles related to Kosovo. Once the final status of Kosovo is solved in the end of this year, I will help you with this project because then we all will know correct definitions of Kosovo status, proper names that should be used for Kosovo articles, etc. Since we do not know these basic things at this moment, we cannot have good articles now. I know that the future status of Kosovo will define Kosovar Albanians as nation, not as a minority (whether that status is independence or third republic in Serbia-Montenegro), and Serbs and Albanians will have to learn to respect each other. However, it cannot come now. As I already told you, wait just few more months and the problems will be solved. PANONIAN (talk) 00:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about the saying in many international documents of UNMIK that Kosovo "is a territory under UN interim administration" and Constitutional Framework of Kosova. Are these of any value to you? Regards,Ilir pz 16:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: acording to 1244 in wich is implemete at the same time the teknikal agreement and Ramboi agreement
They are going to be seperetit
In Yugoslavia is going to be S. and M Law, in Kosovo UN Law for 5 year
However, Kosovo cann not be prasenty as of Serbia or S.and M. onl as part of RS Serbia and SFRY. And the Kosovos citys are not the serbiens citys (only becose the Republic name it was RS Serbia) they are kosovars city.--Hipi Zhdripi 06:34, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia:WikiProject Dardania

message: Stop this shit Edit war because you are destroin the image of Serbia. I dont wont that in the future all the Word see the Balkan als "treachery". You are pushin me to brig more document about the Serbian and Milosevic treachery to the kristians and Europe . In God name stop this stupid war. And work in the articel in wich you can be more usefull or make a articel about the kosovo citys in Serbian Wikipedia (You have ther nothing about Kosovo),--Hipi Zhdripi 01:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  STOP 

message: We prasent the Kosovo in Wikipedia as part of Yugoslavia (OK this state is death but the user of Wikipedia is going to understan that wen he is linken to the articel Yougoslavia) This is acordin to 1244.
We prasent Serbia and Montenegro as part of Yugoslavia. (OK this state is death but the user of Wikipedia is going to understan that wen he is linken to the articel Yougoslavia) This is acording to 1244
We prasent Serbia as part of Serbia and Montenegro this is acording to the UN-Law.
We prasent Montenegro Serbia as part of Serbia and Montenegro this is acording to the UN-Law
All of templetears, Category, maps ect they are going to be like it like it is in 1244. In Yugoslavia. If sombody dont wont this he wan only Edit war because this is acording to all UN documents.
Its the true and all we know that in 1244 is saying that Kosovo is a part of Yougoslavia an is protectoria of the UN.
Its the true that Serba and Motenegro have chanched the name. Then let as make in this way too in the part f definition of the contrys, provinces or wat ever is that. They hawe maket #redirect than we are going to do the same thing. 
All this is confius but with #redirect we can make the sam think.--Hipi Zhdripi 03:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who want to stop this war

message: The basic knowledge of the standards of English language is a must-have for Wikipedia. Either try to write more clearly, or abandon your efforts. Sorry, but I have nothing else to say, because your edits are overflowing this talk page and are not understandable. Really sorry, but please, try to write more clearly, if you don't have time for a quick lesson. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advice for Hipi 

message: No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents  	 
	 
Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Wikipedia and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Wikipedia. 	 
	 
This was the text from Hipi. 	 
	 
I agree with HolyRomanEmperor. I have not been active on this article, but I should have at least some understanding of what you are talking about and I really don't. Perhaps you should become more involved in the Wikipedia of whatever your native language is, or some other language you know well. It is true that English Wikipedia is by far the largest, but the wikipedias of other langugages are also good to work on. Academic Challenger 01:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Becase of that we must have the administrators who know wat is here the point.--172.178.132.39 01:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This pages Kosovo, Serbia, Serbia and Montenegro and Ex-Yugosllavia must be Full-protecty--172.183.73.212 02:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text: What in god's name are you talking about? This is really getting pointless! You're running around insulting everyone! --HolyRomanEmperor 12:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No argumet 

message: I think that I'm going to abandon the Kosovo article. Hipi has me totally repulsed now that I see with what sort of people we're dealing with. --HolyRomanEmperor 09:38, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is exactly what Hipi and the like always wanted. Best regards, --Asterion 17:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hipi Zhdripi's recent activities 

message: The name of the section The arrival of Slavs and other tribes is ridiculous. I agree that Medieval - The arrival of Serbs, the unified Serbian Lands and the Serb Kingdom was too long, but why not come up with another; that is actually correct (this one makes no sence, the Serbs were the only Slavic tribe that came and who're these other tribes?) --HolyRomanEmperor 20:15, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: Importen material to destroy the mytology wich is saying that Kosovo is a part of Serbia. In this page you can read a articel from Serbian radio is sayin Pristina (Not it!!! is not Belgrade, no body cares about Belgrad beacose that is mytologie) in wich has accepting that in Mitrovi to be two Municapitaly.
For artikel about news about the two Ex-Yugoslav countries Serbia and Kosovo see: http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?&nav_category=21&nav_id=34548&order=priority&style=headlines
::Bad interpretation, Hipi, President Sejdiu said (cite)"organising two, united communities within the framework of one municipality." I think the title on top of that article was badly (or purposefully) translated in that way it is in the link you provided. Regards, Ilir pz 20:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You must see that this is the only Serbian station wich is traing to be democratic. In other said we must this "serbian patriots" give the argumets (even if they are wrong intepreted) witch they logic is  saying that was not a dream. Kosovo is a State and that withat asking us.--Hipi Zhdripi 21:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pristina accepts division of Mitrovica 11:26 April 19 | Beta 

message: :Hipi, would you like to apologize for the 100,000 PAs that you made against the Wikipedia Community? Personally, I think that you've went too far. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At firs, I dont understand wat you are saying or talking about. I dont know to write gut english but I am not stupied. Even if I dont know so gut english I have a argument about the Kosovo. Since you have stardet to be "interestit" for the Kosovo you are putin everywere only "Kosovo  i Metohia", "Kos-Met" ... Kosovo part of Serbia, Kosovo history, Kosovo, Serbia, Serbia, Kosovo .  You are not interestng to make a articel and to finde a sulution for maken a work atmospher to the aricel about Kosovo. You interes only to make a Edit Wars about the Kosovo articels. Finde a argumet and bring it hier. No more intepretations, no more propaganda and mytology in the articels about the Kosovo. I have a respect a bout serbian mytology but we must let the user to know that is mytology and hase nothing to do with history and politic of Kosovo . You dont know eyxactly in wich time it was uset this name "Kosovo" for this province and you want to intepret a argumet about this provinc. This is not mytology encyclopedi but Wikipedia --Hipi Zhdripi 20:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: This is the neverending story of throwaway used-once-only accounts. Anyone for checking Beharprishtina's contributions? Someone should semi-protect the talk pages too, considering the trolling does not decrease with time, unfortunately... --Asterion 21:19, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Behar, welcome to Kosova wiki. Of course you have the right to edit, and express your opinion here, it is the right of any person. That is what Wikipedia is about. One has to start somewhere, and with an edit in some article. With all due respect to your opinions, I have to warn you in advance that there is a pretty hostile environment waiting for you around here. As I am somewhat experienced, I can tell you that first phase of your editing here will be followed by accusations of the sort "You are a sockpuppet of someone" that means "you are someone else and using this address as a fake". Later you will be threatened that you are violating wikipedia rules, and you will be reported to admins. Later some will harrass you in your personal talk page. Please bear with them in a civilized way. I am sure if you are older than 7 years old, you have experienced such harrassment in Kosova during the previous occupatory regime. You will have my backing any time you need information on how to proceed. Tung,Ilir pz 23:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hipi zhdirpi is going too far 

message: I think that Kosovo deserves a speedy-delete tag. Goodbye, and sorry, but I do not intend to spend ours arguing for nothingness with people that have no respect of neither their companions nore themselves. --HolyRomanEmperor 12:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well done... sigh 

message: Kosovo article is under constant revert war; that is not good and Kosovo is one of the worst articles on Wikipedia because of that. Can we find some compromise here at all? What i suggest here is that all users involved in revert war try to find a solution for disputes to make this article NEUTRAL (not pro-Serb or pro-Albanian). Is that possible? So, let start with the infobox: 
* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kosovo&diff=49532416&oldid=49520657
So, according to this, maps in infobox are first disputed thing here. First (blue) map show districts of Kosovo (not municipalities), thus, Asterion, I am afraid that name of your map is less accurate than of that uploaded by Hipi Zhdripi. The correct title of the map should be "Districts of Kosovo" because it is what is shown on the map (municipalities are lower level administrative units). Also I do not see why map of Serbia-Montenegro should be here because I understand why Albanians from Kosovo do not want that map posted in the article. However, there are some similar examples, see this:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republika_Srpska
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
These two political entities of Bosnia-Herzegovina do not have a map of Bosnia-Herzegovina in its infobox, thus I do not see why Kosovo infobox should have map of Serbia-Montenegro. What I propose here is to post only blue map but with the title "Districts of Kosovo". So, can we have compromise here or not? PANONIAN (talk) 13:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PANONIAN, feel free to edit the map description and changing this to Districts. Regarding the Map of Serbia and Montenegro, this is not a matter for personal preferences. It is simply not negotiable, whatever their feelings are (what next? Conveniently deleting all history pre-1945?). Also, you must not it is impossible to work with people who prefer to edit-war to a version shining for its primary school English level (this on top of relying on hearsay and avoiding citation of verifiable sources). As far as I am concerned, Litany, HRE and me (aside other wikipedians I cannot recall at this point) are the only people who have actually made an effort to improve the article. If Ilir, his "friends" and his heteronyms are so interested on the subject (as for "I WOULD GIVE MY LIFE FOR MY BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY, KOSOVA :))))"), they could well start for getting a grip on themselves and contribute to the article constructively for once (i.e. they/he could well start for finding proper sources to quote from, instead reverting to Hipi Zhdripi's broken English "article"). Sorry to sound harsh, but you simply need to pay attention to their edit summaries to realise their only goal is some juvenile thrill of "fighting a war" --Asterion 15:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: ok I am dying to get in the Asterion's list of constructive editors. In order to be liked by him, let me say that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, KLA is a bunch of terrorists, mafia leads Kosovo institutions, 1 million serbian churches were burnt by Albanians, I support SPS right now, and soon I will put some flowers in Milosevic's grave, Milosevic was a hero....huh, wasn't that about 10000 kg of irony from my side? I am not sure what should one go through to think this narrowly. Definitely not me, who has suffered 20 years of his life under a regime that blackened everything good in my country, KOSOVA. And yes, again, anytime, should there be Seselj-like activists in my hometown, I will show them the way.Ilir pz 16:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 83.44.36.92 from Spain, thanks for dropping a line. Yes, me and Dardanv have common opinions. As a matter of fact, it is a reality that, at least 2 million Albanians in Kosova have the same opinion as I do when it comes to the future of Kosova. I indeed have 2 million heteronyms, good observation. You don't need to agree with Asterion,(yourself?!? IP from Spain?!? hehe), as he is one of the hard-core-revert-warriors here, who likes to call a sockpuppet whomever disagrees with him, and calls them "juvenile" and threatens them with "being reported" :)))). Ooops, I wasted my time commenting Asterion's content. Bad for me. Will never do this again. Ilir pz 16:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Upsss!!! Thanks that you diden uset a new user name--Hipi Zhdripi 00:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I guess that the smarter side will always subside, so that everyone can see the aggressivness of the other side. :))) However, the both articles in their article. --HolyRomanEmperor 13:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, what we will do about this revert war? 

message: Nëse dëshirojmë ta formojmë një lidhje të fortë shqiptare këtu në Wikipedia, të gjithë ne duhet të bëhemi së bashku. Këtë mund ta bëjmë vetëm nëpërmjet kësaj kategorie, []. Pra të gjithë, si anëtarët e vjetër, ashtu edhe të rinjtë duhet ta regjistrojnë veten këtu. --Aeternus 16:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing for you Aeternus, write what you said in English not Shqip. OK!!!  CrnaGora (Talk | Contribs | E-mail) 20:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Për të gjithë shqiptarët

message: All the things here are mythologie. Here, I m finding the same things, problems, like they had been in other wikipedia before. For luck, we ve founded the workers from the serbian government , which just wrote  lies and propaganda. We ve spent a lot of time to found them out. During that time, we ve needed to block the Kosovo page. We ve founded two people, which where looking to the facts. At the end they ve created  new Kosovo article. Not perfect, but without lies, personal interesse, propaganda and mythologie. When I ve readed the things here , I ve got crazy, so many extreme people . I think the main way is to find the best way in the name of wikipedia. For my opinion one step in the right way is, what Hipi said, to find two temporally administrators. I just cn say, that, with that, we had success in the other wikipeia. And I know, that it can work and here. We should give that idea a chance. A chance in the name of wikipedia. greetings, --LuneburgerHeide 21:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello LuneburgerHeide, welcome to Wikipedia. This is a sensitive topic, and as often as good-intended initiatives were started, rarely anyone cared to listen. Your idea sounds interesting. I invite you to contribute further with your neutral and factual edits. Regards,Ilir pz 16:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi LuneburgerHeide! I absolutely agree with you! I think that the English versions of Kosova related articles should take an example from the German versions, which are in these cases really very NPOV. Liebe Grüsse, --Mig11 21:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello from Luneburger Heide, Germany 

message: One should think better before deciding to keep the  tag in this article. There are other than wikipedia addicts who might know something we don't and might help improve the article. I propose we remove that tag. Any suggestions? (rational ones, please)Ilir pz 22:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. No serious admin can take seriously a call to remove semiprotection coming from an unsigned IP. Obviously more sockpuppets. --Asterion talk to me 09:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see Ilir pz has unilaterally asked to unprotect the article. Please refer to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection --Asterion talk to me 15:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove tag 

message: Concerning the recent request to lift semi-protection.  The article has been protected for exactly eight days now, and although it continues to be somewhat unstable, this is already a lenghty protection.  How about this: I can lift protection, but I will add the article to my watchlist.  If it is vandalized by IPs immediately following the lift of protection, I will, likewise immediately (I may not be online at the moment, but as soon as I return, which is not usually that long), protect it again.  Is that an acceptable compromise?  Regards, Redux 19:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Adendum: in making this assessment, should you accept my proposal, I will consider any revert warring with IPs as sufficient reason to semi-protect the article again. Redux 19:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds fair enough. Thanks, Redux. Ilir pz 21:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the controverted nature of the article, I would prefer to get consensus for this beforehand.  However, if no one will post here, except for Ilir pz, I will go ahead with the suggestion.  Redux 16:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Good job, I appreciate it Redux. Ilir pz 16:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no opposition was raised and the article had been protected for over nine days, I have lifted the semi-protection.  I have also added the article to my watchlist, as I said I would.  So please, so that we don't need to protect this again: discuss the issues on the talk page first, there is no need to revert the article immediately;  remember civility, assume good faith whenever possible and be mindful of the three revert rule.  Thank you. Redux 02:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to unprotect 

message: I think you should refrain from adding the inflammatory map in the infobox, Litany, Asterion, HRE, whoever. You cannot expect any of the Albanian editors to agree with that. You will just ignite another revert war. Stop before it is late. And as of labelling it as a "part of Serbia", please,you are going too far. Let your beloved 1244 resolution say the rest below that formulation. And soon when that 1244 res is outdated, then you won't even have that to "fight" with. Refrain from your nationalism. This is wikipedia, not a place where with your edits you attempt to irritate further the Kosovo editors. Hope you understand.Ilir pz 21:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally some positive approach. Touché..Ilir pz 09:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Panonian, note on your edit, "Slavs and Serbs" in the history part. Don't you think you are repeating something? Serbs are Slavs, thus should not be "and"-ed??! Correct me if I am wrong. Additionally, adding "it is likely" to the Illyrian part of history: Don't you think that all history part should be started with "It is likely" then?? as none of the historical facts have video shootings to prove that what is written is true?! If you add the "it is likely" to the Illyrian history, add it to the rest of history, as it is the same, history. We have to keep the document consistent, not doubt the Illyrian history, and say that the Serbian one is factual, without likelihood. Ilir pz 09:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, Panonian, seems like the "facts"  say that Slavs did not settle in present day Kosovo until late 12th century, and were not in the south-western part of Kosovo from 7th century like you wrote. Ilir pz 09:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: (never thought I would thank you but) thank you for the remark. I wasn't sure about that. Now I put the rephrased part, with the citation in the end of it. Feeling some optimism that we can find a compromise after all. Refraining from nationalism is healthyIlir pz 16:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: how about the "important" part of Serbian history you include in "serbian history" wiki or something? this article needs shortening of parts history parts. It sounds as if the life of some "medieval serbian kings" is the topic of this page. I agree with Dardanv. Furthermore, I cited the source I found the information from. If you were that kind, you would have put the quotes, instead of removing the whole content. Don't you like the content? typical of you, to just remove factual data. I am not sure about your enthusiasm Dardan, I know a few here who are sworn to vandalize and not compromise. Hope I am wrong about this. Ilir pz 15:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I reformulated some words like, after Conference of Bujan, it was decided that Kosovo remains a part of Albania, once the WW2 is over, not remains "Albanian". It sounds as if in the conference it was agreed to kill all Serbs, which is not true. Also, let us not use derrogatives in the main text, like "terrorist" "horrible" when referring to crimes. All crimes are horrible and terrorist in nature. Ilir pz 15:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Howdy, I agree with you, we should take a rather different approach. Discuss more, not revert, and agree on changes after a thorough discussion. I don't have admin privileges to check whether a certain username originated from a particular IP to know who is a sockpuppet or not. Let us not judge others' language abilities, either. Instead, let us invite them to discuss, and we (who claim to know English better) change main text for them, if their claims are legitimate. Optimistic, 11:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  yo 

message: I am extremely pleased to see constructivism on the Serbian side. Out of context, but I am extremely pleased to see the start of the war crimes trial in Belgrade, which hopefully will be the first, but not the last step, taken on the side of Serbia to open way for Albanian/Serbian reconciliation. Albanians, Greeks and Serbs (equally in numbers between 7-8 million on the Balkans) need to be in peace with each other for the region to move forward.
1. I removed parts of the Serbian History, (the least important) due to space. I think we need to shorten it even further because it is too long. I think somebody needs to shorten it, by retaining the most important elements. 
2. I addedd Albanian versions of toponyms as well as Serbian wherever appropriate. 
3. I deleted the figure about massive Serb migration as I think it is a fabrication. There was a very small migration northwards at this time. 
4. I didn't touch the statement about SS Skanderbeg, who was an irregular formation in process of being established by the fascists, who was a joke. They were disorganized, not well equipped and in process of being established by the time war ended. Their role in the war was insignificant. Their existance was used by Serb nationalists to justify expulsion of ALbanians, as Greece did with it's Northern Albanian population. As a sign of compromise, I have left it there. 
5. I appreciate the compromise on your side to leave Kosovo on a blue (UN color) map, separated from the world. This map says that Kosovo is under UN administration, it doesn't say whether Kosovo is independent or part of any other country. Albanians don't want it to be portrayed as part of Serbia, Serbs don't want it to be presented as independent, so this should be an acceptable compromise. 
Regards, Dardanv —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dardanv (talk • contribs) 
Hi DardanV, you cannot simply decide that the Serbian history is "not important", and removing whatever facts you dislike. Sources were provided and are verifiable. I would appreciate if you take a second to familiarise yourself with Wikipedia style guide, as you are over-linking. Also, remember to do a preview first to ensure you are neither having an edit conflict nor making spelling mistakes/typos. I have also left both names, as for Istrian names (generally listed with Croatian - Italian versions). However, please remember not to OVERLINK both names! Thanks, --Asterion talk to me 13:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: how about the "important" part of Serbian history you include in "serbian history" wiki or something? this article needs shortening of parts history parts. It sounds as if the life of some "medieval serbian kings" is the topic of this page. I agree with Dardanv. Furthermore, I cited the source I found the information from. If you were that kind, you would have put the quotes, instead of removing the whole content. Don't you like the content? typical of you, to just remove factual data. I am not sure about your enthusiasm Dardan, I know a few here who are sworn to vandalize and not compromise. Hope I am wrong about this. Ilir pz 15:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reformulated some words like, after Conference of Bujan, it was decided that Kosovo remains a part of Albania, once the WW2 is over, not remains "Albanian". It sounds as if in the conference it was agreed to kill all Serbs, which is not true. Also, let us not use derrogatives in the main text, like "terrorist" "horrible" when referring to crimes. All crimes are horrible and terrorist in nature. Ilir pz 15:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Howdy, I agree with you, we should take a rather different approach. Discuss more, not revert, and agree on changes after a thorough discussion. I don't have admin privileges to check whether a certain username originated from a particular IP to know who is a sockpuppet or not. Let us not judge others' language abilities, either. Instead, let us invite them to discuss, and we (who claim to know English better) change main text for them, if their claims are legitimate. Optimistic, 11:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My changes

message: Someone messed up the History section a little. I'll try to fix it. --HolyRomanEmperor 11:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: HRE, how about you discuss before "fixing" stuff? Read Asterion's suggestion. thank you, Ilir pz 11:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I looked through it, and someone has made changes without discussing - numerious removals, removals and removals - and I saw no justification on this talk page. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  This source says that Slavs moved to todays Kosovo ONLY after the Byzantium Emperor Comneni died. What source did you have when saying that that happened in the 7th Century? I am waiting for an answer. Until then, I think the source I gave you above (and it is in a Serbian site, by the way) will remain in that part of history. Ilir pz 17:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is that you Ilir? Yes, I changed that long ago. :) It now only says that Slavs moved in in the 630s. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, that was me, something went wrong with the signature. Sorry. Do you think my reformulation is better now? the article I cited above said that until 1014 or so Serbs did not invade the "proper" Kosovo, that occurred only after the Byzantium King died. ~Comments appreciated, I would like to know this with (some) certainty as well, from non-Serbian and non-Albanian sourcesIlir pz 17:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: (from my (Manojlo) talk page)
No matter who you really are, Manojlo, with all due respect, read the discussion board before adding your opinion in Kosovo related pages. Otherwise you damage the neutrality of the article. Who was a paramilitary or terrorist organization, that is a subjective matter. What is for you, does not mean it is the neutral point of view. Please contribute in a constructive way if you can, else do not disturb the already hot topic. Thank you in advance, Ilir pz 14:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are most welcome. For some Serbs all Albanians were terrorists, even children and elderly , so let us not get in that discussion, dear Manojlo. We are trying to get a neutral article here, and quite many have struggled to come to this point, so don't give us more trouble putting labels on sides. I am sure you understand. I am not aware of USA bombing that terrorist organization you are talking about. Ooops, it bombed Serbian troops?!?! Ilir pz 14:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When I mention source, I mean not a "nonpartizan" whatever source. I can fill you up with those. Source means a credible and neutral source. Since you mention Gelbard, find me the source from the US Dept. of State, please. if I may quote myself, I am sure you understandIlir pz 16:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This reference will not do the job. Not any source is a source. That does not bring neutrality in place. Iam sure that you understood, too. 18:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: is Greek word and means church land, or church property. Some parts of Kosovo are in fact Metohija, so it is desirable to note that in article. --Manojlo 18:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is noted, even in the first line of the main text. You use the word "fact" too often. Try to be more rational when doing so. The part you say "are in fact" Metohija, for albanians is Dukagjini Valley, or Rrafshi i Dukagjinit. 18:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metohija 

message: Les start with Antike, Ilir and PANONIA please make that this source comes to the secend part of the history beacose for the first part we mos late a place for the time befor the Antice (iron age). With a litel time I am going to bring you arkelogie documentatition.
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It is likely that the region of Kosovo has been inhabited by Illyrian tribes since the Bronze Age 1. In ancient times the area has been known as Dardania and was settled by a tribe with the same name. The south of Kosovo 2 was ruled by Macedonia since Alexander the Great's reign in the 4th century BC. The local Dardani were of Illyrian or Thracian stock. Illyrians organised resistance against the Greeks and Romans for centuries but after the long wars of Illyrian tribes against intruders, the region was later occupied by the Roman Empire under Emperor Augustus. When the Roman Empire split in A.D. 395, the area of Kosovo came under the Eastern Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire. Dardania gave numerous leaders to both Rome and Constantinopolis. Justinian the Great was among them.
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#.before that time for the moment is good to say from time we know and no sice the Broze Age
#.it must be the south of Dardania See the Dardano-Makedonian or Bardyllis-Filip Wars near to the today borden of Macedonia and Greece
*Polybii Historiae ed L.Dindorfio, vol I-V. Lipsiae in aedibus B.G.Teubneri, 1882-1924
*Historiarum Philippicarum from Pompei Trogi boock VII, VIII, IX, 
boock XXVIII (prolog) See: How after the death of the King of Epir, Alexander the epirots kill Laodama and how the King of Macedonia, Demetri was betet from the dardans.
boock XXVIII (prolog) See: The war of Filip agains the dardans and etolians. Filip has maked war agains the dardans, iliriens and again etoliens wich was supportit from romaks.
*Q. Curti Rufi Historiarum Alesandri magni Macedonis, boock qui supersunt iteru recensuit Edmundus Heidicke, editio maior. Lipsie in aedibus B.G.Teubneri 1908
Boock I:/12
...This king was death, after hi has livedt more than 90 years; his son, Klit thinking that Aexander was bisy with wars with folks away from river Istrie and thinkin that the time is gut to atack him, in year 335 b.c hase maked a aliance with Glaukus (Ilirien King of the taulati folk)  and with his folk has startit atacing Alexsander. 
from Hipi
I can hardly understand this. But, Daco/Thracians should be mentioned as early inhabitants of Kosovo. The distinction (if any) between them is hard or imposible to find. 
::User:Asterion Tell me in wich document you have findet that dakian have be lived in Dardania area? I remember from a document wich is sayin that from here (dardania) was createt the Dakian volk. Also my view from here and the ather "Pela" area was createt the dakian folk wich from language and the cultur was more influentit from dardanians and paionen. Dardanen and Paions together have maked wars agains the makdonian and the arrivet barbars from the east-north.
For Constantinopolis should stay Byzantium. 
And, what is the purpose of wrong citing Curtius Rufus and Polybios? Hipi can not speak nor read Latin or Greek. How he is citing text he does not understand?--Manojlo 09:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antike 

message: From my user page discussion:
Brankovic's territory in kosovo articel wat is that. Give us a document wich is accepti als soch area from both sides. I mean fro the serba an the ottomans. I can say thet the teritory in Afganistan is HIPIs teritory but that no body is going to accept. How do you think only beacose is no document about the war area in afanistan I have the right to say that --Hipi  Zhdripi
My answer:
Brankovic territory: it is easy to explain. In the 14th centuary, the territory of modern Kosovo and Metohija was not an entity. On the other hand, Brankovic's territory was situated in Metohija, which is only one part of modern Kosovo and Metohija. 
--Manojlo 17:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Uhh, what are you talking about regarding the Brankovics? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brankovic's territory 

message: Some of them were discussed. For instance, case of KLA labeling as terror organization: there are several references, cited in article, as well as in discussion page. 
Another example: case of Scordisci, or Daco/Thracian amalgam at Kosovo territory. 
Yet another: case of Brankovic's territory. 
Of course, there are some items I haven't discussed, such as Leon Trotsky as communist, and Soviet propaganda attempts against Serbia (many czarist families (White Russians) were refugees in Serbia, so Soviet Russia regarded Serbia as enemy). Regardless of that, _Pravda_ was a official propaganda newspaper of Communist Regime in 1919, as well as 1979. 
So, as a conclusion, if this version of Ilirpz is regarded as a compromise, Kosovo aricle should be protected. 
If not, I feel that I have right to revert my already discussed edits.
--Manojlo 19:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an article about KLA, go ahead try to defend your claims there. You discussed your edits with yourself only, so it does not give you any right to just revert. The article as it is currently (including the grammar mistakes I corrected now) is a result of lengthy discussion, that took several months. See archives for that. You cannot just pop up one day, and revert all the several months of work. Ilir pz 20:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My new edits 

message: I have to stress that user Ilirpz changed "henious crimes" of SS Albanian Division Skenderbeg to "crimes". Please, check his edits here: 
19:58, 28 April 2006 Ilir pz (grammar and spelling mistakes fixed)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kosovo&oldid=50633676
It wouldn't be very big problem, but in the comment of his edit he wrote that he is correcting grammar and speling errors. 
Under "grammar corrections" I am not expecting to see some what could be minimization of attrocities of one SS Division. That is wrong way, Ilirpz, to defend your couse: one could suppose that you are  reaedy to cheat, and to defend every Albanian cause in Kosovo, even when it is crimes of SS division in stake.
--Manojlo 11:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no nice crime. Thus derrogatives are not necessary here. ~If we continue so, then we should use 1000 derrogatives for Serbian crimes, and then the article will sound full of hatred, what you are intending to make it sound like, but I will not let you. Thanks for understanding. Ilir pz 14:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SS Division Skenderbeg 

message: Following citation comes from KLA article from Wikipedia:  
"The KLA's indiscriminate tactics led to the U.S. State Department adding it to its list of terrorist organisations." 
And link, of course: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army
--Manojlo 15:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia a link for wikipedia. That is what I call wisdom. 15:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If your claim is true, find THE source, US Dept release saying "KLA on this date was declared terrorist" I have nothing against adding THAT source in the text. Ilir pz 15:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There IS need for that. Common knowledge does not work in Wiki. That is forum-way of thinking. Wikipedia is about backing your claims with real facts and credible sources. If you have no reference that Kosovo battle was in 1389 don't insert that information here then. Simple.  Ilir pz 09:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  Perhaps I can help - the US indeed put KLA under the list of the terrorist organizations after that grave Pogrome - but contrarily, after bringing many leaders to the Hague War Criminal (regardless of them being released/sentenced), and transforming it to the Kosovo Protection Corps - it's just not the same thing. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One further reference for KLA as terror group 

message: ::Seriously, I'm not being rude, but what are you trying to say? What I understand from that is: 
::::1. I'm a nationalist. (I'm 16, haven't been there since..I was two. I worshipped Germany; the soccer team albeit; when I was young. I lived there, came here (Canada), became Canadian, got pissed off when the Canadians lost to the Russians in world junior hockey, started reading the Internet, then based my opinions( On world War II mainly, obviously reverted my views of Germany and began supporting my fellow Slavs).
::::2. That the video is actually Serbs burning an Albanian mosque? 
::::Confused, since obviously it's a church, and it's obviously Albanians (note the red flags with the eagle everywhere).
::::3. That Pepsi is water. (it is mostly, so I agree)
::::4. That you obviously prefer Coca-Cola *(Rock On!) I've changed my mind, Pepsi has less caffeine, or so I think. Caffeine promotes irresponsible behaviour and rapid nationalism, avoid Coca-Cola Hipi, for all of us.
::::5. That the video is somehow propaganda for Serbs (filmed by an Albanian news station, because I couldn't understand them, and no non-Albanian would live two seconds there without being hung). 
::::6. That it was me who posted your post. (Please refrain from using my signature or use a compatible word document processor with spell check, please show sources when locating this software to calm readers down)
::::7. That Serbs were large perpetrators in World War I, World War II, creating mass murders right under the noses of: Germans, Hungarians, Austrians, Croatians, Bulgarians, Albanians, Bosnians, and Italians while fighting back the invadors with one hand and killing helpless puppies with the other as the Greeks kept their trousers up. 
::::8. Choosing the CCCC as a user name should make me ashamed and spill over with crocodile tears, ship them to Israel, in hopes of refilling the Dead Sea. 
::::9. That CCCC has one, and only one defined meaning. ( I beg to differ, I support  THE CCCC!!!. Thank you, dear professors at the Conference on College Composition and Communication, for making my minimum four years of college in the ugly future a certain living hell. I'm sure spending 10 grand a year will make me swell up with pride only to realize my job got outsourced, to the "other"' CCCC group, formally known as the Cheap Chinese Computing Company.
  
::::10. That CCCC, in Latin letters are SSSS. True, but not in this case. Refer to here,  the real meaning.   
::::I like it, do you agree? Basileus Basileon Basileuon Basileusin. Sounds way more macho, "King of kings, ruling over kings". Wouldn't you pick the second, duh? I would, so I did! 
::::11. That "CCCC extremists", who are outnumbered 20-1 perform child snatchings in the dead of night in Kosovo for "CCCC experiments". Yes I agree, the "CCCC", or formally known as the Culinary Cooks Confederation of Churches", experiment. Apparently Albanian children are world-renowned in the art of creating delicacies, we Serbs are just too jealous, lazy, damn hungry and cook like Britons, I guess. 
::::Or is it because all our utensils were stolen....and they can cook without them? I personally think we should go with China in the future. Utensils or no utensils,  chopsticks are made easily and readily available, now how do you use them? Hmhm no idea. 
::::However, with regards to chopsticks: CONVERT THE MASSES! Like with the Bosnians just religion in their case. I'm sure King Lazar wouldn't turn over in his grave for this one after what happend with the Bosnians. You know, the "Golden Fork King"? No? Shucks.
::::I will meet up with my Balkan government buddies and ratify a new border, between the utensil communities and the chop stick communities to hinder any chance of warfare, because of the great, ethnic, and cultural differences which have previously caused great disturbances. Eating methods are just to damn diverse to keep peace! Ah It's 1:00am central time, homework time. C-c-c-c 06:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 11 Reasons 

message: Ah, Hippi, what do you mean by "AD 1912"??? --HolyRomanEmperor 10:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: May I suggest that you rather write history of Kosovo Serbs here: Serbs in Kosovo instead to fight revert war in the Kosovo article? I am sure that Albanian editors would not object that history of Kosovo Serbs is written in that new article, and we would have one nice article about Kosovo Serbs which will not be the subject of constant revert wars. PANONIAN (talk) 22:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good suggestion, Panonian. I hope that that article will not gather one-sided information, though, but will still be a neutral one, even if it deals with Kosovo Serbs only. Hope I mistakenly understood, but do you suggest Kosovo Serbs article is edited by non-Albanians only? And Kosovo Albanians article by Albanians only? a comment would be appreciated. Just to be on the safe side. Thank you,Ilir pz 22:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ilir pz, you are welcome to edit article about Kosovo Serbs if you want to improve it, but I only hope that you will not have reason to delete history of the Serbian people from that article. :) PANONIAN (talk) 00:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The same I hope for the Kosovo Albanian site :). Regards, Ilir pz 01:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, knowledge knows no ethnicity :o) --Asterion talk to me 23:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Glad to hear I was wrong :) Ilir pz 23:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Panonian and Asterion, but I however, haven't changed anything in the article, (I'm not crazy enough, who knows who might want to stab me or something) but I've enjoyed myself and expressed my opinions on here and lots of evidence that no one seems to deny. Mhm, everything I've ever wanted in life. I hope you found the "11 Reasons" humerous to some extent.  C-c-c-c 23:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Try to ask yourself what you want to achieve with those opinions, and whether they are relevant or not. The relevancy and credibility of sources is above all. I want to believe that you will change, just like did all of us. We all used to be arrogant and pushy of our opinions. Good luck in that, hope to see you in our "wikipedianized family" soon.Ilir pz 23:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure relevancy and credibility are important, so I've linked many things to prove that I wasn't lying, where as others, (mainly Hipi) talk about facts and figures without any sources. I've only been on Wikipedia a while, and it was mainly to use the Reference Desk for tricky physics problems I've been getting recently. I stumbled upon this, actually I've read a lot of discussion on many issues before but have never commented. I know that whatever I may say here will no where be close to making "inaccurate" changes in the article, so this way I can't really piss people off because I'm not ruining some work of theirs. Most of what I say is supposed to be a suggestion to take things easy, have some fun, and try to make your point.  Remember many of you are old bearded men who have had their greyish hair turn into bright white because of late night fact checking episodes (just kidding). I have found imformation that nobody has yet refuted in this discussion, which is seemingly impossible I think, and so I hope that someone either finds something to disprove, or stop saying I am just trying to push my point of view. Thanks   C-c-c-c 00:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not all gray haired, we are just (not a little) more experienced with the issue. Some (like me) had to live through most of the recent history of Kosovo. But nevertheless, I am impressed with your (non-grayish haired) 16yr old/new wisdom. Your changes are appreciated, as long as they have a point, and do not offend anybody, and are relevant. Again, not only for physics problems, but come back when you have useful information. I do remember you to have been pushy towards me personally, until I disregarded your comments completely. But I see some progress in you. Keep up with good work. Ilir pz 00:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CCCC? 

message: There are some reasons to believe that certain users, defending their Greater/Albanian cause, went to far. I hope they will not continiously delete adjective "henious" concerning crimes of Nazi/Albanian SS Division Skenderbeg during the WWII. 
I hope that that users will see that it is tiny ice.
--Manojlo 19:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Manojlo, Kosovo is an geographical article and reference to any war crimes does not belong here. The one who want to write about any war crimes here obviously want to impose bad faith edits into article. I suggest that you write new article with name Kosovo in World War II where you can write about that, but this does not belong here. PANONIAN (talk) 21:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: fully agree, Panonian, I tried to explain several times. No need to accuse people who think the wikipedia way, i.e.with almost no nationalism, as defenders of Greater Albanian cause. Remember, that Great Albania cause is  supported by very few in the world, let alone here, nobody. Ilir pz 05:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extreme right position as new item of Greater/Albanian propaganda? 

message: The chart added by Ilir pz has some flaws which may be statistical, but I would like to point it out nontheless. In 1991 82% of the population was Albanian, 7% Serb, 5% other. This adds up to 94%. In 2000, it was 88% Albanian, 7% Serb, 5%. I know many times that most graphs add up to 95% or more, but generally don't go up 100 because of possible statistical errors. I don't believe however, that Serb percentage in 2000 was the same as it was in 1991. Also Ilir pz, I was wondering if you had any stats before World War II, as Tito forbade Serbs who left Kosovo during the war, to return. It would be interesting to see. C-c-c-c 21:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The chart was added by someone else, I just put it back when someone removed it without explanation. It seems to have quite a credible source (World Bank, if it is enough for you). I am not sure you are more an expert than World Bank statisticians, but nevertheless. Not sure about the stats before WW2. I am more curious to know where you got that info, that Tito forbade Serbs to do anything in Kosovo (until death of Rankovic, and later 1974, when Albanians got more rights).Ilir pz 11:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosovo Population Chart 

message: I think that the estimates are a little unbelievable. The Albanian population more than doubled in the past few actions: 
In 1948 there were 498,242 Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija, forming 68.46% of the population, 171,911 Serbs forming 23.6% and 28,050 Montenegrins or 3.9%.
In 1953 there were in Kosovo and Metohija 524,559 Albanians (65%); 189,869 Serbs (23.5%) and 31,343 Montenegrins (3.9%).
And in 1961 there were in Kosovo and Metohija 646,604 Albanians (67.1%); 227,016 Serbs (23.5%); 37,588 Montenegrins (3.9%) and 5,206 Yugoslavs (0,1%)
It seems that in the moment of fall of the Axis forces by the end of World War II in 1944-1946 there were around 190,000 Serbs in Kosmet.
According to the 1971 census for Kosovo and Metohija, there were:
* 916,168 Albanians (73.7%)
* 228,264 Serbs (18.4%)
* 31,555 Montenegrins (2.5%)
* 26,000 Muslims (2.1%)
* 14,593 Romas (1.2%)
* 12,244 Turks (1%)
* 8,000 Croats (0.7%)
* 920 Yugoslavs (0.1%)
According to the 1981 census for Kosovo: 
* 1,226,736 Albanians (77.42%)
* 209,498 Serbs (13.2%)
* 27,028 Montenegrins (1.7%)
* 2,676 Yugoslavs (0.2%)
:As you can see, neither the "Serbs" include the Montenegrins as said, nor are the censi on picture correct. Please remove the picture (also, it's missing several censi). --HolyRomanEmperor 11:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that "boost morale by overwhealming numbers" has more influence here rather than truth. --HolyRomanEmperor 22:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Playing with numbers is not good, thus I disapprove it. To have an accurate estimation we should wait for the census that will be held soon in Kosovo. As of estimates, it is good to cite some credible source instead, not insert data speculated by some magazine, or data collected by an installed regime of Milosevic, or similar. 23:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  That was my point. --HolyRomanEmperor 13:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: I like the table that someone created but I have two concerns: 
# It does not really belong to the main Kosovo article as this is not common practice. It would be better placed on its own article and a link placed: "For administrative divisions see Municipalities of Kosovo"
# It should list the place names in both official languages.
Regards, --Asterion talk to me 15:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Municipalities of Kosovo 

message: I added list of districts and cities here with the purpose to IMPROVE article, not to start new revert war. The names are written in both, Albanian and Serbian, and the name order is that used by UNMIK. So, if somebody see problem with that, he should discuss that problem here. It must be noted that state of Serbia recognized UNMIK and accepted civil UNMIK rule over Kosovo, thus, I do not see reason for revert war here. Even when Milošević was in power Albanian was an official language in Kosovo. PANONIAN (talk) 03:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This becoming STUPID!