Talk:SU-152

message: When comparing Soviet claims for SU-152 kills on the German Ferdinand/Elefant tank destroyer versus German recorded losses at Kursk you need to be consistent on the naming of the German vehicle, calling it an Elefant in one sentence and a Ferdinand in the next is just confusing to readers who do not know they are the same vehicle.  At the time of Kursk the vehicle was called a Ferdinand, it was later renamed Elefant, so Ferdinand would be more accurate but the names should at least be consistent.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.106.67.47 (talk • contribs).
A Beast Killer
was it really true that an SU-152 took out a Tiger I at 4000 m?
'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.243.66 (talk) 11:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could take out anything it could hit, basically. The distance was not a factor, since it didn't use a high-velocity solid core projectile. The gun itself was not really accurate compared to the 88 or even the high velocity 7.5, but generally getting hit with a 152mm HE shell was more than enough to turn the crew to jelly. Penetration wasn't even necessary. Imagine a Tiger shrunk down to 1-foot in length, complete with little mini-rounds, mini-crew and gasoline inside; if you shot it with a tungsten-cored .223 round, it'd make a bitty hole in the armor and bounce around inside, possibly killing the crew, likely setting the fuel load on fire and probably eventually blowing the ammo load sky high. If you taped an M80 to the outside and set it off, it'd be like a 152mm HE round. It wouldn't crack the face-hardened steel open, but you can bet it'll probably flip it over, blow off the turret, and make life very unlivable for anyone on the other side of that armor. Typical Russian tactics, crude but effective. Why spend money on a purpose built TD when you can get the same result by just using a heavy howitzer? The SU-100 was, to be brutally honest, a much more accurate and well-armored tank killer, and was roundly considered to be the best heavy TD of the war, but the trade off was in HE power. The 152 worked fairly well at two roles rather than just one. The Jagdpanther was the best overall TD, btw. Bullzeye contribs 01:08, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
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