Talk:Ben Grimm

message: Can someone say exactly *which* issue was this "recent issue" of FF?
(People, seriously, this is the second time I stumble over a "recently" just tonight... dates, folks, dates!  Remember, this will be here in 10 and 20 and
100 years (one can hope ;-))  Jae 02:25, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)
:I am fairly (but not completely) that the issue is #56 (of the series started in 1997).  Here is the MHC link - http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=30933846944%2056 Luis Dantas 06:36, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. - SoM 19:28, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent issue?

message: Is Ben Grimm's Jewishness religious or cultural? 惑乱 分からん 19:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See this quite enlightening article on this very topic: Beliefnet: "Comic Faith: The Thing's Religion Revealed" (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/113/story_11303_1.html) -- Jalabi99 03:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ben Grimm's Jewishness?

message: I seem to recall an old comic, back during the 1990's, where the two heroes did battle. It ended with Grimm's face being horribly disfigured, forcing him to wear an iron mask for some time. I don't recall how this eventually reversed or what more happened in this situation. Can anyone provide comic information or details for a possible Wiki inclusion? --AWF
:Uhmmm, The Thing isn't exactly a supermodel to start with. That "Iron mask" thing sounds more like Doctor Doom to me, but I'm passing on the request... 惑乱 分からん 22:48, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't remember enough about it to write up personally, but I DO know what you're talking about. For some reason they fought, and Logan entered a berserker fury and slashed him full force across the face, drawing deep furrows across his face. That's why he wore the iron mask for a time. His face may not win any prizes now, but the injury was pretty bad and he looked worse than normal. I remember most clearly that Logan snapped out of it and tried to see if he was ok, and Ben backhanded him through one or two buildings. Onikage725 14:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: My recollection is that by about early to mid 1994 the Thing was appearing without his helmet and with the wound have settled down as scars. Then in #409 the scars were completely healed by Hyperstorm using his powers, in order to constantly remind Ben of something or other. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wolverine vs. The Thing

message: The Thing is now capable of at least Class 100 strength - check en.marveldatase.com.  It's a site that has very detailed info about just about Marvel character there is.  Makes sense that by now he can do it; everybody else in Marvel is getting more powerful.  He should be in the top 10 in terms of strength.  Jack Black  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.216.145.22 (talk) 13:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this sentence: "Through, more intense training, The Thing is now capable of lifting roughly 100 tons over his head." It seems to be controversial so I suggest that it remain deleted unless a solid source can be provided for it. Metamagician3000 04:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: strength level

message: Is there any kind of verification or proof to back up this section?  It sounds silly and makes me wonder if someone's playing a joke.  I'd like to delete it if no one can provide references to it actually exisiting. Sprngpilot 00:09, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Amazing Guys" 

message: How tall is Thing? Son of Kong
:Depends upon which version of the Thing you're curious about. In the Earth-616 continuity, which is the maintream Marvel Universe, he's 6'0" and weighs 500 pounds. The Ultimate Marvel version of Ben is 7'5" and weighs 1,650 pounds. Odin's Beard 00:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height 

message: I did a rewrite for the P and A section. I thought it looked familiar and I found an old issue of the OHOTMU the other night. The previous writing of the section, at least the vast majority of it, was taken word for word out of the OHOTMU. I also removed some info that sounded very much like POV. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, and if I have then I apologize in advance. I'm no expert on Wikipedia's policies, sometimes they're a pain, but I'm pretty sure that POV and stuff taken right out of the OHOTMU is prohibited from inclusion. Odin's Beard 00:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powers and Abilities 

message: This needs to be incorporated into the article, which only relates the current version of his story: Fantastic Four #11 (Feb, 1963) has the characters narrating their pre-cosmic ray-ified lives "to the fans" in a sequence that seems to break the fourth wall—Ben and Reed first meet as roommates at "State U," which Ben attended on a football scholarship and went "All-American" (whatever that means, football fans).  Shortly after graduation, Ben becomes a "Marine fighter ace" during WWII, flying over Okinawa and Guadalcanal.  Reed says "You were the hero of every American who could read a paper, Ben!"  Reed is depicted as an OSS officer on the front lines during the war, btw, thinking of Sue at home.  This might be trivia for a footnote depending on how quickly they changed all this (probably quickly, because either Sue was pushing forty in '63, or Reed coped with his front line duties through pedophiliac fantasies), but it needs to be documented as part of the character's history.  Postdlf 03:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 09:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character background 

message: Blackbeard the pirate? Is that for real? --KeypadSDM 13:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Blackbeard

message: What is with the picture from the 2006 animated series? If we need a picture from that cartoon shouldn't we get one that's a bit more focused?  The one we have now is much to blurry to work effectively for this article. --208.127.64.127 19:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blurred Picture 

message: Ok I would like to put to rest this argument over the Thing having superhuman speed. Personally I agree that Ben Grimm has superhuman speed, just obviously not in the league of beings such as Quicksilver or Flash. His combination of superhuman stamina and endurance show this. 
It appears to me to be mostly anon users who continue to change the hero box over this. Unfornunetly on that side I havent seen a very good argument to for there support. My assumption is that they see the Thing as being big and heavy and think of Quicksilver or the like and think that the speed cant be right.
If we can come to an agreement and maybe make a note for future reference it maybe will make things easier. Just an idea. Thefro552 21:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I believe that there are some editors that are judging the Thing's speed by comparing him with characters that are well known for their primary superhuman ability being superhuman speed. Just because the Thing isn't portrayed at being able to move so quickly that he appears as a blur means nothing. For instance, say for the sake of argument that the fastest that the finest human athlete can run is 35 miles per hour, in the Marvel Universe. If the Thing is able to run faster than that, then he is superhumanly fast. Doesn't matter if he can run 40 mph or 400 mph because the issue isn't whether or not he's a world class speedster. In the original versions of the OHOTMU, his speed is listed as "Enhanced Human", which is considered a lower level of superhuman. Even though OHOTMU stats are against policy, the information provided on the character regarding his powers can't be ignored simply because it might conflict with someone's personal interpretation of a character. If there's a canon source that retcons the Thing's speed, providing it will end the conflict altogether. However, constantly removing it from the superhero box without any explanation just looks like POV. Odin's Beard 00:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Was the comic published before or after the first version of the OHOTMU was published? If it was published before, then the addition of the Thing's speed was probably retconned. If it was published afterward, then it could be an example of the OHOTMU's claim being retconned.Odin's Beard 01:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The OHOTMU is short for the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. Wikipedia has an article on it. Basically, it provides much of the same information as Wikipedia does. All of the general info on the characters can be pieced together from all the various regular monthly comics that Marvel has put out over the decades. However, included in the OHOTMU are vital statistics and various stats used to measure a character's physical, mental, and energy manipulative capabilities. These stats are found only within the OHOTMU or by other publications with Marvel's permission. We don't include the vital or power stats in the article because they'd be taken directly from the OHOTMU, which violates copyright. Even if someone saw them on a website and decided to add them, then whoever placed them on the website would have gotten them from the OHOTMU to begin with. Anyhow, sorry I've rambled on. The Thing is listed in Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe as possessing some degree of superhuman speed. It doesn't specify the exact level, only that he possesses it. Odin's Beard 00:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Giantdevilfish, you do provide a good source, but I think Ben's statement needs to be taken in context. He could simply mean that he can't keep up with Spidey. I'd like to see a citation that clearly says he's moving faster than a normal human or, alternatively, one saying he can't. Since this is comics, I wouldn't be surprised if both exist :) CovenantD 20:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ehh, if the OHOTMU says it, okay, that's one thing (I'll believe it when I see it, btw...I have to track that down).  But as a lifelong FF reader approaching middle-age, I can't think of a single instance where Ben Grimm is clearly moving, or is said to be moving, appreciably faster than a normal human being.  Ford MF 21:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the OHOTMU, it looks like "his reflexes have remained at their above average human levels despite his greater mass."  Not so much super-speed, methinks.  --mordicai. 15:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And even though that's from an older hardcopy edition of OHOTMU, the Thing's entry on Marvel's website reproduces the text pretty closely.  Additionally: "His reflexes are above-average by human standards despite his immense mass, and he retains a reasonable level of agility and dexterity."  A definitive NO on super-speed, I think.  Ford MF 15:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That fail would be correct. :) Galileo's experiment showing heavy things fall at the same rate as light things wasn't actually done by dropping weights off the Leaning Tower of Pisa.  Rather, he rolled weights down an incline.  I would like to add, however, that he has hurled a loaded, flaming tanker a half mile into a river.  That requires speed, not just strength -- the fastest fastball a human throws at over 100 mph won't go anywhere near that distance.  So in theory he should be able to do superjumps like the Hulk, if not quite so far.  So comic physics is vastly inconsistent, surprise, surprise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.123.30 (talk) 19:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed 

message: Given the amount of vandalism that occurs in this article, some protection is certainly required. Most of the vandalism is committed by anonymous users that couldn't care less about Wikipedia policy and insist on having the article reflect their own personal view and interpretation of the character, which includes removing information without explanation or justification.Odin's Beard 01:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the history, I do not see enough clear vandalism to justify protection. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 05:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: I think this more properly belongs after Powers and Abilities (i.e. right before Alternate versions).  Right now it's the first thing you hit after the lead, and as such I think it's kind of misplaced.  What should happen after the lead and table of contents is the Fictional character history.
Would anyone have any objections against me moving it?  Or arguments for the soundness of its current placement?  Ford MF 21:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, since this went a week without comment, I'm going to assume there are no arguments against and go ahead and move the section.  Ford MF 07:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't particularly care where it's placed, but the consensus among other articles does seem to be: Publication history; Fictional character biography; Abilities and Equipment; etc. 204.153.84.10 13:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Publication history

message: I just read FF#334 and Ben was in human form while he was with a girl named Sharron who had the powers of the Thing, any idea what is going on?Phoenix741 02:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ms. Thing 

message: What type of rock resembles or closely matches the Thing's rock-like skin? - RVDDP2501 11:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Thing's Skin 

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message: Just letting you know that I edited the bit about the Thing in Ult. Power. It was obviously written by some one who's very Thing bias.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.125.84 (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ult. Thing 

message: Wouldn't this be better suited to a Wikiquote page on the Fantastic Four? I don't see how this a list of catchphrases, some of which haven't been used for decades, is relevant to an encyclopedic entry.Jet Alone (talk) 07:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Necessity of Catchphrases Section

message: primarily the thing's skin is composed of mafic minerals matter. (mainly consisting of quartz) The thing has an obvious cleavage and is quite attractive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.120.28 (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Thing's chemical composition. 

message: in the biography sectionn it said he joined the marine corp.  tthen a few lines down it says he was in the air force. which is it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.219.185 (talk) 19:10, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  question 

message: Not too long ago (2009-2010), Ben teamed up with X-Factor and was accidentally teleported to Latveria. He teamed up with Monet and Shatterstar and the 3 of them went off to demolish Doom Castle and search for Sue Richards. Please, somebody add some information about this - including when and how this adventure ended. Thank you.  Das Baz, aka Erudil 18:58, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ben Grimm and X-Factor

message: Article name is Thing, which is lectio difficilior potior. Thereafter he's referred to as the Thing, which I think is likely to be incorrect: if the article is part of his name it should be The Thing, and if it is not there should be no article at all, per the name of the article. Spicemix (talk) 00:38, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thing or The Thing? 

message: In the first paragraph of the article, "The" in "The [sic] Thing" is capitalized even when it doesn't start a sentence.  Later in the article, "the" in "the [sic] Thing" is lower-case when not in sentence-initial position.  Which typography is correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.200.45 (talk) 12:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-sentence-initial typography:  "Thing" or "The Thing" or "the Thing"? 

message: This section jumps in and out of universe.  There is talk about what is going on with the character and then talks about the movie.  It sounds like in-universe there was a FF movie that made Ben popular.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bofum (talk • contribs) 21:19, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In the 21st century" problem 

message: DangerousGame has suggested the category:Fictional characters with superhuman durability, I think its a different ability from super human strength. Is The Thing somewhat more durable than a regular person because he is made out of rocks, cars don't seem to do much nor do bullets? CensoredScribe (talk) 16:09, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Thing super humanly durable? 

message: Hello. I am on a random citation hunt. While searching for citation for this statement, I found it to be unnecessary: "The relationship between Alicia and Johnny was vehemently disliked by many fans." 
This statement doesn't appear to be true from an observer/non-fan point of view. After reading a couple of forum messages (from http://www.byrnerobotics.com and http://www.supermegamonkey.net,) I don't get the impression that it is hated much. Example, there was one post who was okay with the relationship, but disliked the marriage. More fans seem to dislike the ret-con. I think the statement should either be deleted or the word "vehemently." 
Ersity8 (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alicia and Johnny 

message: After June 20, 2017, the Fantastic Four characters (Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, The Thing, and Silver Surfer are being removed from the Marvel Heroes video game and as such will not be seen in the recent release Marvel Heroes Omega. Here is a source link to help verify this.
The Fantastic Four Characters Are Being Removed From Marvel Heroes. Additionally the video games section of the Things page needs to be updated to reflect this new information. 67.171.250.202 (talk) 17:36, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal from Marvel Heroes

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thread_title: Image deletion nomination(s)

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to Ben Grimm   (t · c) buidhe 08:52, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thing (comics) →  – per WP:NCCDAB NeoBatfreak (talk) 07:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I may be wrong I’m not aware of any rule stating that if another possibility comes up in a naming discussion it’s off the table if it wasn’t mentioned by the person it’s the one that started the discussion. Or to put it another way a potential consensus to use Ben Grimm shouldn’t be discounted simply because the person that initiated the request didn’t mention it. If such a rule actually does exist can someone please post where it’s mentioned?--65.92.160.124 (talk) 04:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 2 January 2021 

message: I noticed the page move was moved to Ben Grimm (by an unofficial consensus if you ask me). There is a few issues with that. Ben Grimm is known at primarily and commonly as the Thing. From the beginning and even still. He didn’t really even use a different one. So I think Wp:commonname applies here. Also (if that ain’t bad enough) keep in mind there is an different adaption of the Thing superhero alias by Hanna-Barbera where a kid uses that alias by using a ring.Jhenderson 777 17:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this would like renaming Spider-Man to Peter Parker. Also the manual of style of comics say not to do this: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Comics Jhenderson 777 17:44, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thing (Marvel Comics) or the Thing (character) per [[Wp:Commonname]] 

message: Can we make the photograph a Jack Kirby piece. B ThatNerdyGuy (talk) 21:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the Photo? 

message: The Relationships section is missing mention that he’s now married with two adopted kids. Being a husband and a father seem significant enough to be included on his wiki page. 65.25.210.155 (talk) 13:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships