Talk:Beer Street and Gin Lane

message: FTA: "The gin crisis was gin-uinely severe. "
I think that this sentence is pretty unprofessional, but I'm not certain on whether or not it should be removed/altered.
Aaron (talk) 03:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: vandalised and now reversed.--Grahame (talk) 03:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprofessional Sentence

message: I highly respect the hard work that went into creating the various Hogarth articles, including this one. However I have the following reservations: The tone shifts to being inappropriate, and being too much like scholarly articles (against policy). Lack on inline citation, and over reliance on general references. Too much detail in the main article, should be split off into separate articles. Overly grandiose quotations (borderline Peacock terms), suggest a non-neutral Point of View. Lack of art terms, such as "Line of Beauty", the term is Contrapposto which Hogarth did not invent. Lack of artistic comparisons, lack of contemporary views. Formatting of box quotes, and quotes is off putting. Overreliance on only a handful of scholars, there should be a greater number of words and authors from which to cite from. In short, the Hogarth topic needs extensive work. Zidel333 (talk) 15:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have to disagree, but I really don't want to start a discussion on it so I won't. With regard to the "Line of Beauty", this is Hogarth's own term for the serpentine shape, and though the S-Curve is an example of this, contrapposto is not. The text says "identified as" not "invented" as that is what he did, and the important thing here is the connection between Hogarth's idea of the "Line of Beauty" and the shape of the figure.Yomanganitalk 16:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I respect your want to not get involved with mudslinging arguments, but your unwillingness to engage in an open debate does not speak well for you, or in light of the whole open nature of Wikipedia. It is small wonder that the articles you work on are by and by single user ones as you do not foster any sense of teamwork with such attitudes. Zidel333 (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the ill-informed character assessment, most delightful. Don't let me keep you. Yomanganitalk 16:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerns  

message: There are several references in this article to the prosperity of Beer Street (represented by the woman in the sedan chair) being the causing poverty of Gin Lane.  This isn't an interpretation I've heard before, and the article itself doesn't explain this.  Would someone who knows more about this interpretation be willing to put some more detailed explanations in? Wardog (talk) 10:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Paulson is the only commentator that remarks on this. I'll elaborate on his argument a little more when I get some time. Yomanganitalk 12:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Prosperity of Beer Street causing poverty of Gin Lane" 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I presume that "Clean straw for nothing" means something to lie down on after getting too drunk. But are there more reasons for Hogarth to write this? For example, why do they have such a supply of clean straw that they permanently advertise it, being in a city as opposed to on a farm? Did distillers do their own threshing? TooManyFingers (talk) 15:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Clean straw"