Talk:Banya (sauna)

message: Ive done recent edits to try and improve the historical page and format the article with a better outline to make it easier to edit.  I also added some pictures.  I may add a section on New York City Banyas or just create a new linked page.  Please do not make edits that include statements that cannot be supported by footnote.  I apologize for removing the "Aaland has said" this and that language because his history of the russian banya website is indespensible, but it unnecessary to identify the speaker here when he is being footnoted. As for below, the parilka is described accurately, even in the dry room, steam is created by throwing water on the oven stones.  It is not bone dry, but named to distinguish it from the wet or Turkish bath which is filled with steam. - smarticvs  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smarticvs (talk • contribs) 12:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Edits

message: :"In the steam room (called parilka, парилка) there is a wood stove, where the heat comes from. Beside the stove stands a bucket of water that is poured over the heated stones of the stove. Usually across the stove are wooden benches. The banya is less hot than the Finnish sauna, but what it lacks in temperature is compensated by pouring more water over the stones of the stove, creating air moisture."
Is this correct? At the banya I go to in Seattle, Banya 5, the "parilka" is the hot dry room that reaches around 200-220°F, while there's a separate steam room. —Ashley Y 08:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: Banya uses steam, while sauna uses "dry" heat. Big difference! The word "sauna" needs to be removed from the title of this article. 75.3.65.63 16:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are variations of the same theme (and of the same origins) with small variations and national traditions. "Sauna" uses steam also, of course, it would be an oven without it, the degree is up to the user and can be adjusted on -the-fly. The construction, stove, benches, birch "bushes" etc are identical. Sauna also has the same variants that are descripted here as "white" and "black" (savusauna) "Banyas". I'll change the article accordingly 213.243.182.3 21:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't understand where this information is coming from or what happened to the "updating".  It is as you say.  I live in Finland (Etela Karjala).  The sauna in Finland sounds identical in every respect to the Russian Banja.  Some saunas are big places with pools etc, some are modest affairs.  The process is identical:  A fire is made under rocks (preferably heat retentive ones), the temp of the room goes up and water is poured on the coals from time to time to make steam.  There are saunas (the standard ones in blocks of flats etc) where the heat is elactrically produced, there are the traditional wood fired ovens, and then there are "smoke" saunas, where the fire is not vented and the room is left until the fire has died completely.  There are also outdoor saunas whcih work by erecting a smallish tent around the fire and rocks, probably after the fire is out, again like a smoke sauna.  Every detail is identical. But there ARE Russian baths and these ARE very different to saunas.  There's one in Paddington in North London!  They're made up of three or more rooms linking to each other in series: dry hot rooms of increasing temeprature, a steam room (where you can't see the opposite wall and hardly another sould that's in there, and a cold plunge pool.  LookingGlass (talk) 18:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banya is NOT the same as sauna! 

message: Did russians inherit the banya from finno-ugric people ? What are the origins of banya ? It indeed is very similar to finnish sauna and there are lot of finno-ugrians in Russia whom all have saunas/banyas.
:and how come these comments aren't getting signed?  I think the whole historical aspect of the article and in particular its relationship with the Finnish sauna needs a complete rewrite.  It seems to be almost entirely inaccurate.  LookingGlass (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins ? 

message: That's a jokingly used swear word. It's something like under-the-ass-niks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.91.4.155 (talk) 16:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Padjopniks 

message: "may aid the body in protecting against these microscopic invaders. Finally, endorphins, the feel-good chemicals in the brain, are released due to the increase in cardiovascular activity." Microscopic invaders? Is there really any need for baby-talk? As for the childish explanation of "endorphins", I think it would be more appropriate just to link the word "endorphins" to its own article, which provides a better explanation than "feel-good chemicals". Not that it matters - I see a distinct lack of sources in the section on supposed health benefits anyway.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.242.207 (talk) 05:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably a bad translation from the original Russian. Kortoso (talk) 20:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Childish and unencyclopaedic language 

message: Why the (poorly translated) Roman history? There's no indication that the bath culture of the Romans was the source of the Russian banya. Kortoso (talk) 20:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient Romans had a cult of bathhouse. 

message: Does anyone else see a need for an article that addresses all of these subjects in an easier to find location? 
Kortoso (talk) 20:56, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thermal bathing in world cultures 

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message: This article seems to construct the full idea and meaning of sauna without actually saying it is a sauna. However, banya is a Russian name for traditional northern European sauna, and not another concept or another institution. It is a branch of a tree of closely related saunas of Northern Europe, a Russian specimen of sauna proper in the full meaning of the word. Especially the most traditional saunas of different Northern European countries are virtually indistinguishable from each other. As the English "sauna" is a loan from Finnish, it should be also noted that any Finnish person would instantly recognize traditional banya as a traditional sauna, and more modern banya as a more modern sauna. There are more differences between Russian individual saunas than between the sauna populations of Russia and countries like Sweden, Finland, Estonia or Latvia. So it should be told in this article already that banya is a Russian sauna, or a Russian name for a sauna. Different countries and areas of course have slightly different cultural traits in their sauna-cultures, and those traits are the subject of this article. Concept of sauna however should not be explained here another time, because it is told already in the article "sauna". It should be made clear that all these proper saunas are closely related to each other Tuohirulla puhu 16:23, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Basically, banya is a Russian name for sauna

message: I was hoping to find something about the customs concerning mixed banyas etc. Nothing at all to be found here... - --31.173.241.48 (talk) 04:33, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Added at least something. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 06:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  No word about sexes?  

message: This expression makes no sense. Steam is inherently wet. It's used in reference to Finnish saunas, but it's not used anywhere at Sauna. What is it supposed to mean? Hairy Dude (talk) 16:21, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dry steam"