Talk:Total Eclipse of the Heart

message: I saw the reference to Wuthering Heights as inspiration. But... what about musical inspiration?! The theme of Total Eclipse was totally nicked from the unknown American group Ford's Theater and their 1968 LP "Trilogy For The Masses". The "Theme for the masses" from this LP is EXACTLY the same as Total Eclipse. I'm surprised that no one ever sued Steinman!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cb007 (talk • contribs) 10:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What's so annoying about the Ford's Theater music is that I think it should be included, but there's no writing on it, so if anything were added to the article, it would be original research, which unfortunately can't be added. Tricky situation! Bonnietylersave (talk) 11:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Inspiration?!

message: This was added to the article by an anon: "Not sure where i should add this, but could sombody do somthing on this page explaining what the song means?" I think this is a good suggestion, but I don't know where to start without making it look like a high school essay. Graham/pianoman87 talk 09:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, but remember that any such section would need strict citations. Otherwise we would be stooping to POV or original research. The JPS 03:04, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added to article 

message: Does anyone have evidence for this? I know the writer produced MTV's Wuthering Heights adaptation, but that doesn't mean anything.
:Mmm... haven't heard anything. It's All Coming Back to Me Now was inspired by WH, but that is sourced in that article. The JPStalk to me 16:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inspired by Wuthering Heights?

message: Anyone care to add a section on the video for this song? I'd love to know what the video is supposed to be about - I couldn't make any sense of it. 69.204.5.228 (talk) 16:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The video is both excellent and notable - and it makes perfect sense to me but I couldn't explain it! DuncanHill (talk) 00:40, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The video 

message: YouTube clip Not sure when this was done. (I had forgotten how much I hate this song until I stumbled across this clip the other day...) Probably from The Brak Show, 2000-2003. Black Max (talk) 06:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Brak (Cartoon Network) version

message: I need help with finding South African charts for this song. I'm fine with the Template:Singlechart, but there's no clear way to insert or find a South African singles chart. Can anyone help me out?? I also need to find Canadian Adult Contemporary if that's possible. Bonnietylersave (talk) 19:14, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a link for both of these charts. ;) Synthwave.94 (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Charts

message: Should it be noted in the article that this song will be in Battlefield 4? It was featured in the 17 minute reveal video, which was gameplay of a story mission.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.86.139 (talk) 04:14, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in Battlefield 4 

message: Lyrics link leads to wrong semi pornographic lyrics  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.212.108.237 (talk) 08:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics link 

message: At present, this article contains virtually no information about the song itself (e.g., descriptions of its music or lyrics). AJD (talk) 01:14, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt anyone would object to you being bold and adding some, provided it's reliably sourced. Happy editing! DonIago (talk) 12:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

text: I'll see what I can do in terms of finding sources for this kind of content. It's about time the technical musical side of the song was addressed in the article. Bonnietylersave (talk) 17:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  No information about song 

message: Usually on a song's talk page you find the class rating (in this case at the time of posting, Start Class), and a rating on the Importance Scale; "low", "mid", "high". Why is it not the case for this song? Bonnietylersave (talk) 22:22, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks to me like it's rated at the top. DonIago (talk) 02:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, maybe it's my eyes?! Strange. All I see is the box stating that it's in the scope of WikiProject Songs, and rated. Start-Class on the quality scale, without the Importance Scale. For an example, see this talk page :) Bonnietylersave (talk) 17:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Scratch that - WikiProject Songs doesn't USE an importance scale 17:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Another mystery solved. :) DonIago (talk) 16:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance scale missing? 

message: Does the article really need to be so specific as to say she's Welsh in the first sentence? Wouldn't simply saying she's "British" suffice? More people around the world are familiar with the UK/Britain than Wales. If I were to go to an article on a musician born in California USA, the article would say "American" singer, not "Californian" singer.MisterZed (talk) 15:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have toyed around with this for years on Wikipedia. All other Welsh stars seem to have articles citing them as Welsh singers, not British singers, plus the fact that there has occasionally been publication errors stating that Tyler is Scottish. Refer to Shirley Bassey and her related singles and songs, and also Tom Jones (singer). I think it should be kept the same, but further discussion from others is welcome. Bonnietylersave (talk) 17:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "Welsh" singer and not "British" singer? 

message: There seems to be a slight misunderstanding among editors of this article about what RIAA re-certifications following the lowering of standards for singles certifications in 1989 represents. Let me try to explain.
"Total Eclipse of the Heart" (the Bonnie Tyler recording) was certified gold in 1983. At the time, the gold certification was awarded to singles that had shipped a million copies. The single shipped a million; everyone seems to agree on that.
It was certified platinum in 2001. At this point, platinum certifications were awarded to singles that had shipped a million. In other words, the requirement was the same as the requirement it had met to be certified gold in 1983. That's because, as mentioned earlier, the requirements were revised to be slightly more lenient in 1989 to reflect the shifting realities of the singles business at the time, which had been in a steep decline.
It might be tempting, even reasonable, to assume, because the single came out prior to the revision of the standards, that a platinum certification, even awarded in 2001, signifies that it met the old standard for platinum (two million copies shipped) rather than the new. Indeed, the shipments figure that the Certification Table Entry template autogenerates seems to be based on "relyear" rather than "certyear." However, this is flat-out incorrect. As clearly stated by Billboard's Chart Beat columnist at the time Paul Grein here, all singles that had been certified gold prior to 1989 were eligible for platinum status right away upon the revision of the rules, without having to sell even one more copy. Of course, this did not mean that all prior gold-singles were instantly re-awarded platinum, because, as always, certifications are only awarded after the record label requests it.
If you do an advanced search on the RIAA's database for singles released before 1989 earning their platinum certification, you'll find a surprising number of them doing so. In fact, I see that 27 singles released before 1989 that had previously been certified gold were re-certified platinum between 1998 and 2002. Many of them came out in the early 70s and mid-to-late 60s.  Does that mean that all these singles were somehow finally crossing the two million mark? No. It's actually highly unlikely that anything more than a negligible number of each of these singles was even still retail-available -- unlike with albums, labels didn't replenish stock for singles indefinitely! More often, they actually DELETED singles from retail, meaning they would decline to allow retailers to order more stock of that single and cease to manufacture more copies. Clearly, these old singles were not gradually creeping towards another million having been shipped. The only reasonable explanation is what Grein's article points out -- that they were simply eligible for re-certification as platinum based on the same shipments data they had amassed during their peak popularity, and that the labels had simply requested the re-certification around that time. These singles, including "Total Eclipse of the Heart," have sold one million, not two million, copies. Mmrsofgreen (talk) 08:27, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This still doesn't explain the platinum 7" that was manufactured by the RIAA in 1983, which states "To commemorate the sale of more than 2,000,000 copies of the Columbia Records single record Total Eclipse of the Heart"  Tyler keeps all of her certifications on display in her house. I will try to find out what statistic is found on her platinum disc at home, and at what date she received it. Bonnietylersave (talk) 12:11, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  certified platinum in 2001 != 2 million copies shipped 

message: After so many anonymous edits, and people trying to add a genre to the infobox, I think it's worth discussing on this page. Does anyone have any suggestions on publications to search for, or other sources, that could be used as a reference for the song's genre? Bonnietylersave (talk) 14:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: All the anonymous IP adresses which tried to add unsourced genres seem to be used by a previously blocked user called Lam Thuy Van (aka the "soft rock vandal from Vietnam") and I'm not sure adding a sourced genre will solve the problem. The best thing to do would be to ask for another semi-protection (or to block the IP adress which is currently genre warring over this article). Synthwave.94 (talk) 14:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre with reference 

message: ...several, in fact, along with a number of TV shows. This is common and is seldom notable. Notable uses would include those that, for example, brought a long-dormant song back to the charts. More likely would be the use of the song in a film where the film in some significant way change perception of the song, as discussed in independent reliable sources. - SummerPhDv2.0 19:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: , Please discuss the issue here. - SummerPhDv2.0 02:59, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, it was used in a movie... 

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message: Does anyone know whether he is the co-lead vocalist or co-vocalist in this song?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clrichey (talk • contribs) 00:54, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rory Dodd's career 

message: I'd like to propose a few changes to this article but feel it would be ideal to open up a discussion first:
*Charts: Just use one table for all peak positions (1983–2019) rather than a separate table for re-entries. Instead we could introduce a "Chart performance" section with text describing the song's trajectory on certain national charts, where relevant. This would provide an opportunity to explain why the song has experienced certain re-entries (such as the 2017 eclipse).
*Infobox Track Length: Just include the original 1983 album and single lengths and not all of Tyler's re-recordings.
Please feel free to add comments, agreements or objections. Skyrack95 (talk) 11:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Changes 

message: Why isn't Rory Dodd a featured artist in this song?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clrichey (talk • contribs) 22:18, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Rory Dodd is credited for "featured vocals" on this recording, and this information is listed as such in the "Credits and personnel" section of the article. Skyrack95 (talk) 22:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rory Dodd the featured artist? 

message: This article was nominated in December by , who appears not to have edited the article. Given that the first step of a good article nomination instructs that "Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article on the article talk page prior to a nomination", I wanted to check in with those who watch this page and/or have contributed to the article, to make sure that the nomination is appropriate. Normally I would just revert the nomination, but given that it's been sitting for nearly two months, thought I would ask here first. Pinging  in particular, given recent large edits to the article. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:11, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there, I've been editing and watching this page for a few years. Thanks for dropping in. I have some concerns about the referencing and page structure, but if other editors feel that the article has GA potential then I'd be happy to work on it.  has been looking after this article for a long time too and may be able to advise. Skyrack95 (talk) 20:34, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Nomination