Talk:Virginia State Route 267

message: When the toll road was originally built, I thought that it was supposed to stop being a toll road by a certain date and that they changed (or permanently ended) that deadline when they decided to build the silver line. Does anyone know that deadline?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.96.146 (talk) 02:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: End of Toll

message: While I'd like to thank VTHawkeye for adding a lot of information to the Dulles Toll Road page, I think some of the information provided is inaccurate, or at least can be confusing. In the second paragraph, in discussing the history of the Dulles Toll and Access Roads, one can get the impression that they were built together at the same time. This is not the case.  The Dulles Access Road, which was built by the MWAA solely to get people to and from the airport, opened with the airport in 1964. It only allowed travel to and from the airport. There were no exit ramps from the road going westbound -- just entrance ramps, and there were no entrance ramps going eastbound. It wasn't until the 1980s did the parallel road built by VDoT for the communities of Reston and Herndon open. This is the outer road that is the Dulles Toll Road, which would now allow drivers to enter and exit at intermediate points. So for 15-20 years the road was useless for commuter travel.
According to , the Toll Road opened in 1984.  Dbenbenn 01:30, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the fixes -- after I made my additions, I did some more research, and just hadn't come back to fix my errors yet. VT hawkeye 05:46, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: What do people think of merging this with Dulles Greenway and renaming it to Virginia State Highway 267, with the others redirecting? As it currently stands, VA 267 redirects here, but the Greenway is also 267, and so 267 should properly be a very short page saying that it consists of these two roads. That seems rather poor to me. An alternate solution might be keeping it as-is but adding a link to Dulles Greenway to the top of this page, saying it's also part of 267. --SPUI 02:22, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the access road also called 267?  I don't know, but I don't think so.  It was built by the FAA, not VDOT.  Dbenbenn 03:03, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The access road is not, but the toll road is. Those are already in the same article, despite the article being named Dulles Toll Road. And it seems stupid to split those two, being hopelessly intermingled. Maybe Dulles highway corridor or something equally invented but descriptive?--SPUI 03:46, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Virginia State Highway 267 seems fine; certainly better than making up a term.  And it fits with the highway names for other states.  Dbenbenn 02:50, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted that the Greenway is also not technically 267, since it's a privately-owned road; the 267 numbering and signage from IAD to Leesburg is a courtesy designation only.  But for the naming of a combined article, I think it's better than something contrived. VT hawkeye 05:46, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, are you sure about that? Is there a law that says that a privately-owned road can't be numbered? Why should it be any different from another public agency or semi-public authority owning a road that's signed as a state road? --SPUI 07:41, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The third-to-last paragraph of  seems to indicate that only the toll road is technically VA 267.  Dbenbenn 02:32, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the 2003 Virginia Route Index () it describes 267 as running "From Routes 7/15 in Leesburg to Route I-66 north of Falls Church, including the parallel lanes along the Dulles International Airport Access Road." -- SterlingNorth 13:23, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Three Dulles roads and VA 267

message: I wonder if anybody reads the talk pages, but anyway, with today's news that Macquarie -- having just bought majority of the rights to the Greenway -- has entered with the consortium that wants to buy the Dulles Toll Road, should we start adding that breaking news to the VA 267 article? I know, I could do that myself, but I don't trust my writing abilities to start adding new sections or articles to Wikipedia. -- SterlingNorth 00:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold. Just make sure you source everything. Simultaneous movement (talk) 19:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential Privatization of the Dulles Toll Road

message: Can anyone provide a reference for this?  The supplied link says nothing whatsoever about these stickers, so I've removed it and put in a citeneeded template. VT hawkeyetalk to me 01:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-DTR legal backtracking stickers? 

message: The last paragraph under Dulles Toll Road states:
On March 27, 2006, the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority took over from Virginia the operation of the Dulles Toll Road, including the outstanding debt and the obligation to construct a rapid mass transit line in the median strip of the toll road.[7]
... but the MWAA reference cited makes no mention of a median strip of the toll road. And, quite correctly, it shouldn't; there is no median strip of the Toll Road. The road that has a median strip is the Access Road. The point of all of this is that if you're going to reference official documents, such as an MWAA press release, do so accurately. The whole distinction between what is 267, the Access Road, the Toll Road, and the Greenway is confusing enough without WP contributors, even those with good intentions, getting in here and mucking things up. Use your brains, kids. --abl (talk) 16:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "median strip" of the "toll road" ? 

message: The third paragraph under Dulles Greenway contains the sentence:
The road was completed and opened in 1995 and is often cited as a success story of public-private partnership.[citation needed] 
As a civil engineer, I have read a lot of articles on civil engineering projects in general, and the Greenway in particular, but I have never read any objective article on the Greenway citing it as any kind of success story. I found it interesting to read the words of Paul Burka, the senior executive editor of Texas Monthly magazine, who wrote about the Greenway in a piece about the use of pension funds to invest in toll roads, which is probably not a wise idea anywhere. In 2008, Burka wrote:
The Dulles Greenway toll road to Washington’s Dulles Airport defaulted on its bonds within a year of its opening in 1995. The private owner, Toll Road Investors Partnership II, have lost money every year since the road opened. When toll roads lose money, tolls go up–in this case, to $4.80 by 2012. That works out to an astronomical 35 cents per mile. There are similar stories in Orange County, California (where the state had to buy failing toll lanes), and along Florida’s west coast, and near Richmond, Virginia, where the 8.8-mile Pocohantas Parkway, financed with tax-free bonds, has suffered around a 50% shortfall in projected toll receipts; the state has had to maintain the road because the private owners don’t have the money.
So just exactly where are the citations of the Greenway being a 'success story?' --abl (talk) 17:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  That line has been there as long as I can remember.  I've never really thought about it.  In my opinion, the "Success story" is a public-private partnership that got something done that ultimately benefited the population- a road that IMO was needed.  There are frequently times when I'm SO glad it's open.  Of course, nobody likes high tolls but faced with an extra half hour on the surface streets, it's a success story.  Economically, it's clearly not a success ("yet", but who knows).  So in the end, that part of the line should not be there because it's OR and ambiguous.  --MPD T / C 19:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dulles Greenway, a 'success story' ? 

message: This article should have a photo that shows the separation of the Dulles Toll Road from the Dulles Airport Access Road.  Preferably this would be from an overpass over the highway, showing both roadways in either direction, or an aerial photo showing the same.  :File:Route267vausawiehle.jpeg, which is currently used in the article, shows only the westbound side of the Toll Road; the westbound side of the Access Road is cropped off (to the left of the jersey wall in the lower corner of the photo).  Can someone who lives in the Northern Virginia area and/or frequently drives on VA-267 please take such a photo and add it to the article?  Thanks.  Tckma (talk) 18:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separation of Toll Road and Access Road 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi, I arrived on this page through an link on the WP page Atlantia_(company), it mentions 'Another subsidiary of Atlantia, Autostrade of Virginia, is a member of the consortium that operates the Dulles Greenway' but on this page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_State_Route_267#Dulles_Greenway 'Toll Road Investors Partnership II (TRIP II)' consisting of the Bryant/Crane Family LLC, the Franklin L. Haney Co.,[20] and Kellogg Brown & Root (KB&R)is mentioned as the owner, which in 2005 was acquired by Australian firm Macquarie Infrastructure Group. So, no mention of the Autostrade of Virginia subsidiary of Atlantia.
To me, newbie, sharp eye, no encyclopedian, this seems an inconsistency. And since I'm not from Virginia, not even US of A, or Italy, I don't know what to do about it. Anybody ideas?
Doggy daddy (talk) 14:27, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  reference from Atlantia_(company) page