Talk:Pidgin

message: Pidgin English from "God's Chinese Son," written by Jonathan Spence
http://www.hkfilm.net/pidgin.txt
===Various pidgins===
* Chinook Jargon is a trade pidgin or creole language used in the Pacific Northwest of North America;
* Russenorsk was a combined Russian and Norwegian pidgin; 
* Helsinki slang originated as a pidgin of Finnish, Swedish and Russian in city of Helsinki;
* Fanakalo is a South African mine pidgin;
* Tsotsitaal is another South African pidgin, prevalent in Gauteng;
* International Sign Language is used at international meetings where users of different sign languages meet;
* 'Rinkeby Swedish' is a Swedish pidgin mainly used in the working-class suburbs by non-Nordic immigrants;
* 'Cocoliche' is an Italian-Spanish pidgin that was spoken by Italian immigrants in Argentina between 1880-1950
* West African Pidgin English, which includes Gambian Aku, Sierra Leonean Krio, Liberian Pidgin English, Ghanaian Pidgin English, Nigerian Pidgin English, and Cameroonian Pidgin English (Kamtok).
* Taglish is the pidgin used in the Philippines which is a combination of Tagalog, the national language, and English.
* Broken Ojibwa was a pidgin used in Wisconsin, Minnesota and the Mississippi River valley during the Fur trade, that relied on the Anishinaabe language for its vocabulary but used French and English for many of its grammatical features.
* Portuñol is a mixture of Spanish and Portuguese mostly used for trade purposes in Latin America (primarily by Spanish-speaking Latin Americans in Brazil, and Brazilians while abroad).
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--Ptcamn 04:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I would vote to put it back. It seems highly relevant to me, and provides links to more specialised articles too. Aridd (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: * Chinook Jargon is a trade pidgin or creole language used in the Pacific Northwest of North America;
* Russenorsk was a combined Russian and Norwegian pidgin; 
* Helsinki slang originated as a pidgin of Finnish, Swedish and Russian in city of Helsinki;
* Fanakalo is a South African mine pidgin;
* Tsotsitaal is another South African pidgin, prevalent in Gauteng;
* International Sign Language is used at international meetings where users of different sign languages meet;
* 'Rinkeby Swedish' is a Swedish pidgin mainly used in the working-class suburbs by non-Nordic immigrants;
* 'Cocoliche' is an Italian-Spanish pidgin that was spoken by Italian immigrants in Argentina between 1880-1950
* West African Pidgin English, which includes Gambian Aku, Sierra Leonean Krio, Liberian Pidgin English, Ghanaian Pidgin English, Nigerian Pidgin English, and Cameroonian Pidgin English (Kamtok).
* Taglish is the pidgin used in the Philippines which is a combination of Tagalog, the national language, and English.
* Broken Ojibwa was a pidgin used in Wisconsin, Minnesota and the Mississippi River valley during the Fur trade, that relied on the Anishinaabe language for its vocabulary but used French and English for many of its grammatical features.
* Portuñol is a mixture of Spanish and Portuguese mostly used for trade purposes in Latin America (primarily by Spanish-speaking Latin Americans in Brazil, and Brazilians while abroad).
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--Ptcamn 04:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I would vote to put it back. It seems highly relevant to me, and provides links to more specialised articles too. Aridd (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Various pidgins

message: Maybe someone should create a trade language. This article describes it as a separate thing from a pidgin and doesn't go into any kind of depth about it. When i went to look up Trade Languages, it simply re-directed to here even though this article says it's not the same as a pidgin :S 82.41.107.240 (talk) 22:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sorry, that was me. I forgot i wasn't logged in. Chris (talk) 22:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trade Languages 

message: There appear to be no examples given as to what Pidgin or P. English is/are. If you are completely new to this [as in my case] then you are still left bewildered by what exactly such a 'language' is.
Cheers, Derek
I'm sorry I also find it hard to know what all the tilde and editing gobbly-de-gook is  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.73.26.221 (talk) 10:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: “Pidgins allow people or a group of people to communicate with each other without having any similarities in language.” This sentence sounds a little odd and could be revised into, “… when originally there was no common language.” Following this sentence, pidgins’ low prestige amongst languages is raised, but this point is not touched upon in following sections. It would be interesting to see this point further discussed and perhaps examples given to enhance understanding of the status of pidgins in the world. Lastly, the word choice of “full blown” under Terminology does not seem very adequate and could possibly be changed into “fully developed”. Alicears (talk) 04:46, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good suggestions.  I've altered the wording a bit.  I'm familiar with the stigma of pidgins and creoles, but only in passing.  Anyone wishing to incorporate information into some sort of "social context" section could start with Bakker (1994)
What is the munnabhai pidgin language? Aalok tanwar (talk) 05:05, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The trouble is that "serious" linguistic study of these very "low-status" languages is fairly recent, and often based on detailed studies of a particular language or group of languages. Generalised statements are often made in the literature of the subject that apply to some pidgins but either less so (or even not at all) to others. It is fair to say that the term "pidgin" (in the sense of this article) is actually used by different writers in different, even contradictory senses. Finding a succinct, comprehensive (and comprehensible) consensus for an article in a general encyclopedia like this is therefore very fraught. I have edited the current "lead" section (actually not a lead at all in the usual Wikipedia sense) to resolve some infelicities and contradictions arising from the somewhat chaotic nature of our sources, to tease what may represent a kind of consensus, without getting into "Source A says, although Source B differs, remarking..." which would be tedious and not specially informative for our readers. My own opinion, to be honest, is that the rigid distinctions made by many linguists between pidgins and creoles breaks down when one starts to seriously study more than a narrow range of languages. As time goes by we may rather come to distinguish between a number of varieties or families of "pidgin" languages with quite widely varying characteristics and natures. For instance - did the "Middle English" of Chaucer and other great poets arise from a pidginisation of Anglo-Saxon?  Arguments to the contrary are often based on prejudice and a distorted idea of what actually constitutes a pidgin (IMHO) but of course it would be WP:OR to come down on this still contested question firmly on one side or the other. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 18:38, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basic definitions 

message: Desi pidgin is the pidgin English used by Hindi speakers, particularly in bollywood and also in day to day life of desi people Amarark001 (talk) 09:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Desi pidgin 

message: The link is simply a dixtionary link, it does not establish any claim that pidgin came from Chinese, or on the Chinese page, a Sino-Portugese origin of the word pidgin. 14.0.174.10 (talk) 04:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I'm deleting it. --Jotamar (talk) 20:10, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  No basis of etymology