Talk:Wicker man

message: Anyone care to cite the reference in the Gallic Wars? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.241.183 (talk • contribs) 
:Done.--Cúchullain t/c 23:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cite

message: Who wrote in a poem or novel the line, "we are the wicker men..."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.26.249.196 (talk • contribs)  
:Are you thinking of "We are the hollow men"? That's from T. S. Elliot's "The Waste Land". I've never heard "we are the wicker men".--Cúchullain t/c 23:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome. I'll quote you on that ;).--Cúchullain t/c 19:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Author

message: *Butser Ancient Farm - see Events
Within the Events section, there are references to celebrations of festivals in which wicker men have been burned.
*Wicker Man - The Burning Question
I am curious to know why these links were removed. They do depict modern examples of the burning of a wicker man or extremely similar figure, so surely they are relevant? Unless this article is meant to be about the historical wicker man, but the inlcusion of modern examples like the Burning Man festival suggests that this is not so.
Also, I am pretty sure that the links to Druids and Druidry in See Also are also relevant, as the wicker man sacrifice is supposed to be a Druidic practice (still continued, though without people inside, thank heavens!) abdullahazzam
:It looked like those links were just spam; they were not reliable sources for information on the subject, they are just a record of how some group burns a wicker man at festivals. Also Druid is already linked in the body of the article, so it doesn't need to be in the "See also" section (druidry is just a redirect to druid.) For lack of a better option I included that second link for evidence of the "modern use" of the figure; but if you know of any more reliable source, please include it.--Cúchullain t/c 20:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Butser Ancient Farm

message: There are, I recall, two particular illustrations of the Wicker Man that seem to keep cropping up. I would like to include one or both of these at the top of this article. (I have just noticed that there is an image request at the top of Discussion.) abdullahazzam
*Wicker Man No.1
*Wicker Man No.2
Both drawings are old fashioned in style. There a a few different sources for each. The questions I am asking about this are, if we use these drawings to illustrate the article, which sources do we use? and, who were the original illustrators and where did these works appear? abdullahazzam
:These look like illustrations from the original VHS release and stills from the movie.  I doubt any of them are available for Wikipedia use, being still within copyright.
:Septegram 16:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Illustration

message: In the US, perhpas the ebst known example is the burning man festival.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Man  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.191.103 (talk) 21:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Example

message: The claims of human sacrifice by Julius Ceasar, who had a history of animosity with the Gauls (to put it mildly) and never actually witnessed such sacrifice first hand are hardly reliable. We know that leaders in Ancient Rome often spread sensationalist propaganda against their enemies, and given that the only alternative accounts for such a thing are by Christian missionaries who also had a vested interest in demonizing the event and also often never claimed to actually witness it, the accusations of human sacrifice are very similar to Blood Libel accusations. The claims that humans were sacrificed at the Wicker Man are based on rumor and hear say, they are hardly credible and should not be presented as if they are factually true. --67.58.85.57 (talk) 01:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a few things to consider here. First, there are several references by classical writers to human sacrifice among the Gauls. Second, the Wicker Man itself only appears in Caesar's writing, and he does not claim to have witnessed it. However, the veracity and significance of any of this is for the scholars to discuss, not Wikipedia editors. All we can do is quote what the editors in the field are saying, we can't interpret the primary sources ourselves.--Cúchullain t/c 01:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now, the article lede states "In modern times, the wicker man has been revived as a part of some neopagan-themed ceremonies, generally without the human sacrifice."  "Generally"?? 68.113.225.4 (talk) 01:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims of Human Sacrifice 

message: Does this have anything to do with the burning man festival?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commander v99 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no connection. http://www.burningman.com/press/myths.html#wicker Ellsworth (talk) 13:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Then maybe the claim of this association should be removed from the article?  Valgrus Thunderaxe (talk) 17:14, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Burning Man]] 

message: Read the article for the 1st time - the following paragraph doesn't make any sense in the opening. It contradicts information that was not even properly stated at that point and disrupts the reading flow. It would well make more sense in the ANCIENT section IMHO??
BTW the statement that "there is no informationen of the practices Caesar described" is strange, because many historical "facts" are based solely on Caesar - Caesar himself is an eye witness and arguably one of the best sources about history of that time, if not -  in many cases - the only??
Thanks!
Contradicting the Roman sources, more recent scholarship finds that "there is little archeological evidence" of human sacrifice by the Celts, and suggests the likelihood that Greeks and Romans disseminated negative information out of disdain for the barbarians.Wells, Peter. The Barbarians Speak, p. 59-60. Princeton University Press, 1999. ISBN 9780691089782 There is no evidence of the practices Caesar described, and the stories of human sacrifice appear to derive from a single source, Poseidonius, whose claims are unsupported.Ellis, Peter Berresford. The Ancient World of the Celts, p. 64, 184, 187. Barnes & Noble Publishing, 1998. ISBN 0760717168  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xymx (talk • contribs) 08:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest moving of § "Contradicting the Roman sources ..." 

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