Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 11

message: With the new site being launched, who knows what infomation regarding smash will come out, but I know that there will be vandilists here to make a joke of this article
I propose that we make Super Smash Brothers Brawl semiprotected in 3 days, which means it will be protected for 24 hours before the site opens, and 24 hours after.
And one last thing, to whoever vandilises. DO NOT WRITE ABOUT A CHARACTER UNLESS NINTENDO HAVE ACTUALLY CONFIRMED IT WILL BE IN THE GAME!
Thank you Cocopopz2005 23:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is already semi-protected, since March. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 23:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: *sniff* nobody reads my comments. Doesn't anyone see the locky thingy at the top right? Everybody loves locky thingies. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 23:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: *ahem* there are certain characters I know who are in the game... (mainly because I either saw their stages or some info was "leaked") Dark Ermac 11:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: See Template:Pp-semi-vandalism for info on that. In general, the message at the top is used for short-term protections, while the padlock in the upper right is used for longer periods. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 22:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And Wikipedia:Protection policy. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 22:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calling for a semi protect in 3 days 

message: I just visited the website and... wow. The site wasn't accessable, but there was a counter near the bottom of the page stating that there were 4 days left. 4 days to what? Release? New info? Move to a new site? WHAT???
Well, it seems I'll have to wait another 3 days to find out... Dark Ermac 11:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or at least some new info.  Let's not speculate. Joiz A. Shmo 14:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Is this enough? ;) — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 22:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: No I don't. I meant what I said. Check the last archive and you'll see no mention of any site update. I could also show you the link where the disscussion (and 1 other) was deleted. RandomGuy42 07:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Try Archive.org. Dark Ermac 11:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: God-damn bastards!  QUIT HOLDING OUT ON US!!!!!!!!  Sorry about that, but I just had to get it out. - Smashman202 15:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Site update soon

message: At the bottom of http://www.smashbros.com/ it says that HAL Laboratory is the developer. Should we add this instead of the unknown?
Air Head 18:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's semi-protected indefinitely, not for three days. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 22:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: But do we know that's referring to the game? — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 23:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than the website itself, or something else? — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 23:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The exact text is "©2007 Nintendo/HAL Laboratory". — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 01:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Copyright notes do not signify the developer. They just own the name. In this case, Nintendo and HAL owns the name of Super Smash Bros. - Zero1328 Talk? 07:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Developer 

message: Has anyone noticed something's messed up with the timer on smash dojo? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I checked yesterday, and it said 4 days....I checked today and it still says 4. Maybe my computer's out of whack, but could someone clarify this?
--Superbub 23:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct, considering that it still says "3 days" as of May 19, 10:04 Eastern Time Zone in the US here. magiciandude 14:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Should be 9 AM. If not, it'll be at 8 or 10Tuesday42 20:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It was actually 10:04 AM here on that day, so no. We'll know if this should be in the article IF Sakurai reveals new info on the game in the relaunched site. If he doesn't then it shouldn't be in the article at all. magiciandude 12:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Hold on! Now that I think about it, isn't Japan usually one day ahead of us? Will this affect whether or not we will get news earlier from Japan or not? magiciandude 12:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it gets updated at the same time, which would be 10:00 AM here. Also, they would release SOME new info if they were to have a big 7-day countdown...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Ermac (talk • contribs) 
Good point. Oh and, I signed for you. magiciandude 17:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I use EST, so I'm waiting until 11:00 over here. Dark Ermac 11:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  uh-oh 

message: The blog, http://nintendrone.blog.com/,  includes basically information we know already and kind of restating the obvious, maybe some new info.  Can we trust it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.210.141 (talk • contribs)  
I've read that guys post in GameFAQs and he's done past interviews before. However, Wikipedia needs a more reliable source than a blog. Also, when you're done posting, please sign your name using four tiles (~~~~) magiciandude 18:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh man, this guy sounds reliable. We'll find out soon if he has the right information. If in the case that what he has listed is correct, do we mention it in the main article? 75.84.185.89 20:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It "confirms" all the characters will be returning from the first game... Dark Ermac 22:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For Anubiz, here (bold by me): Not all characters will return. The original smash bros. will. But I think a couple of his comments should noted, such as "Since there’s a huge fan-demand for online play, the game will almost definitely feature it. That’s the plan.", "There won’t be anymore ‘clones’", and "There are definitely characters that will be huge surprises too, one of which happens to be my absolute favorite." Even so, I don't really think a blog is a reliable source for Wikipedia. And anyway it's only one more day before the smashbros site opens. I can wait. Unknownlight 00:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Or they could be alternate costumes... Dark Ermac 11:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on what evidence? -Sukecchi 02:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: And you're not? "So Falco is out? Great! Anubiz 00:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blog Site 

message: Hasn't it been updated yet? It's monday in Japan now. I can't check the actual site cause i'm at work.Tuesday42 15:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a note saying "Starting Today", so apparently it won't be up and running until later today. Disaster Kirby 15:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, it's midnight in Japan right now. I don't think Nintendo is going to launch a site when the majority of their country is asleep. Comrade Pajitnov 15:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Which is why they would update it sometime in the morning. They're not catering to those crazy obsessed otaku who are still awake waiting for the website to update (myself included). Also, Anubiz seems to go in and out of good typing to bad typing. It's very odd. Comrade Pajitnov 16:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Sometime around 9 to noon makes most sense to me for them to update it. Meaning it won't update untill around 11 to midnight for everyone here on the East coast D: Comrade Pajitnov 16:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If my logic is right (and I really, really hope it's wrong) the site won't be updated until tomorrow as today here is yesterday for Japan so if it's Japan time, today means tomorrow! D: Unknownlight 16:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It may be at midnight, it may be at tomorrow, it may be sooner or it may be later; for the moment it's not now, so for the moment we're pretty much stuck at this position. :( Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 17:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: And it still says this, hours after it was supposed to start??? Dark Ermac 19:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, now, let's see... It's about 8:50AM now Japan time on May 22nd. They may be updating at close to midnoght our time. (Great, another work day to get through...) Dark Ermac 23:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: And now it's 10:00. I'll be on tomorrow at 7:00. Dark Ermac 01:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just now I checked, and still no update... Erik is losing the last vestiges of his sanity over this... Uh, I mean, I am. Sorry. With all due respect to the Wikipedia is Not a Forum rule, I believe this counts as a bit of an extraordinary circumstance; once the site goes up and these forumish sections get archived, the Forum rule should be put back into effect. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 01:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, sorry, I just assumed the rule was temporarily suspended based on the existence of this thread. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 01:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Another hour's passed... still nothing. That's another busted brain cell.Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 02:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Site relaunch at 7am in San Francisco time zone: Is that so? Where's the source that states that it's at that exact particular hour that the site would relaunch with potentially new information? As much as I would love to believe that and therefore not be disappointed with each hour that passes uneventfully, I thought I read something about it occuring right at the start of this current hour... Guess that teaches me not to believe GameFAQS forums. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 03:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I said "by," not "at," 7 am in SF because that is the same time midnight occurs in Tokyo, the end of the day.  It's not confirmed by an official source, I simply assumed that the relaunch would occur by the end of May 22 in Japan as the official site implies ("starting today").  But you're right, everyone might find a little more satisfaction in scepticism.
 
I just read the new Nintendo power they mentioned this  it will be "a daily blog update on the upcoming title and other things that tickle his fancy" him being the game developer or something and the date will be May 22 but dont think it will be up by midnight for it hardy happens like that.
Sounds concrete, but can anybody vouche for you? Does anybody here read Nintendo Power?--User:Entei-Anubis
the site has officially updated now.  it contains a new layout, which is primarily a blog (posts on the right, tag filters on the left).  you can squeeze some new information out of it if you want, but there's nothing extraordinary yet.  we have been promised "daily weekday" updates though, which sounds good. Djchallis 07:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: (Bedanged edit conflicts...) So, did I miss something crucial, or can I officially state, "Well, that was a letdown." You Can't See Me! 07:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let down!? We've got a HUGE list of some of the greatest Japanese composers to ever walk the Earth (Motoi Sakuraba) providing music for the game, new screenshots, an official description of the first stage (Battlefield), a sample of music from that stage, and confirmation that there will indeed be daily weekday updates rather than the sporadic updates of old. Talk about an overload of information.--Claude 07:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so I did miss something crucial. Lemme double-check... You Can't See Me! 08:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It's about time that site updated! And now we know it'll be updated at least once a day, we're going to be slowly drip-fed info as it comes. BTW, could we say in this article that '"Battlefield" has been confirmed as a stage on the official website' or is it too early? From the mouth of the man himself seems to be a pretty reliable source. BTW, are any of the composers on that list also composers from the Sonic series? If any are then it may give a hint as to whether or not to expect Sonic in this game. 195.195.15.250 10:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was unexpected. About the "forum" note above, this is a discussion page, right? Forums are meant for discussing, thus technically this is a forum. Dark Ermac 11:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ARG! NOT A FORUM! Quatreryukami 14:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, so it's not a great big reveal of information, but rather a steady stream of new pieces of info up until Brawl's release. Which is fine, I think; this article won't be overwhelmed with info to include, format, and incorporate. It'll definitely make the page more active. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 18:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  update 

message: I do not believe that enough is known yet, after researching further, to determine which controllers it will use, though it seems likely both the Classic controller and GCN may be supported.
Likely, but we don't know for sure yet Anubiz 21:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think in some issue of Nintendo Power, it said GCN, but we need to be completely certain before putting it in the article. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 21:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Probibaly shouldn't man. Theres no confirms on controls, or am I missing something? Quatreryukami 22:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I have wavebirds, and they rumble... Dark Ermac 11:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: SPECULATION, SPECULATION, FORUM POSTS SPECULATION! Anyway, the how to play section says nothing about controllers, just restates what the smash community already knows. Sites kinda weak, I wish there was more! Quatreryukami 14:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controller 

message: Battlefield should be said about in the stages info also it should be mentioned that time of day at the stage changes eveytime you play itMarioman12 10:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Smash Bros. DOJO page about Battlefield. It has been confirmed. OBEY STARMAN 11:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battlefield 

message: Unless anyone can find a source stating that this game will be released on a Wii Optical Disc, this information is speculation and should not be in the article. For all we know, it might be downloadable over Wii Ware, or playable via a hard drive attachment like Final Fantasy XI. Even speculation that is very likely to be true is still speculation if it's not sourced. - Chardish 11:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is this even being discussed? The above comment is without a doubt the biggest heap of tripe I have ever read on any talk page. ALL WII GAMES COME ON DISCS. There has yet to be an exception to this rule and until such an exception is announced, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind it's coming on a disc. "Oh, oh, oh, but it might be downloadable! Or it might use a hard drive!" -  pardon me for saying this but... that's bull-crap. If it was going to be on something other then a Wii Disc then it would've been stated previously during an announcement. You aren't going to get someone saying; "Hi, we're Nintendo and we're going to put the next Smash Bros on a cartridge" three days before the game launches. Quit talking out of your arse. Apologies for anyone who took offence to this but every word of what I said is true. 195.195.15.250 12:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: My message wasn't directed to you anyway. ;) magiciandude (Talk) (review) 13:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apologies for snapping but, come on, what are the odds that Smash Bros will be released on anything other then a Wii Disc? *sigh* 195.195.15.250 13:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: ROFL. Duh it's going to be on Wii Optical disk! But, unfortunatly, due to policy, we cant say it until it's confirmed. How will we know they don't change their minds and make it for PS3? KIDDING! DON'T KILL ME PLEASE! Quatreryukami 14:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wii Optical Disc" 

message: I think this is worth noting. At Smash Bros Dojo, the icon for the "how to play" page is a Wiimote turned sideways. This doesn't prove anything, but I think it suggests that's how you will control the game. Powerslave (talk-contribs) 12:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't that speculation? -Sukecchi 12:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Spelling isn't too hard either. Anyway. I can't imagine playing Smash Bros with the Wii Remote. You've got the D-Pad which would be a nightmare to use (you need the control stick to help the game differentiate between a gently push or a tap, initiating a tip-toe and a dash respectively), then you've got the 1 and 2 buttons whch presumably would be used for A and B (I'm sorry, but that big A Button doesn't come into it considering this is a beat-em-up and it's in an inadequate place) - here's a good question. What buttons do yu use for jump/grab/shield? Grab and shield are essentially the same button but I don't think the B Trigger is a good substitute for the L and R buttons. Or the Z Button. 84.13.125.246 16:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Controller

message: Do you guys think that a screenshot that shows damage precentage should be inserted into the article?  Also, how about replacing a prototype level (Halberd) to a confirmed level (Battlefield)?  And this one's a little out there, but should the release date be "Planned for 2007" like the official site said?  (Zojo 19:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this could be a good topic to take note of and decide on whatever information the daily Dojo site will provide, and the forumish threads above should be archived. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 20:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update additions 

message: Go to Nintendo's webpage, and it has a remix of the Menu 1 from Super Smash Bros. Melee, along with the majority of people who will be working with music69.136.181.249 20:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Menu 1 Music

message: Just because the site has information doesnt mean that it NEEDS to be added. there's no reason to add all the composers and the games they've worked on. It's just too much. DurinsBane87 20:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  additions 

message: Should this page be archived since it's kinda long and we'll finally be getting a steady flow of new info?  (Zojo 20:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive