Talk:List of parliaments of England

message: I think there is a problem with the ordering of the Parliaments in this list at the end of the Interregnum. I think that there is one Parliament missing "Third Protectorate Parliament" 27 Jan- 22 Apr 1659  and the ordering of the recall of the Rump and the Long Parliaments,  "in May 1659, Richard was obliged to recall the Rump Parliament that his father had ousted in 1653". ". Monck arrived in London in February 1660 and secured the re-admission of MPs excluded since Pride's Purge. The restored Long Parliament voted to dissolve itself on 16 March 1660 and call new elections. 
Althougth I have used the same web site as a reference the ordering makes more sence than assuming that the long parliament was recalled and then the rump.
The List of Speakers of the House of Commons gives these as the speakers between 1653 and 1661. I have put next to them what I think are the correct parliaments.
*1653 Rev. Francis Rous -- Barebones Parliament (Little Parliament)
*1654 - 1655 William Lenthall -- First Protectorate Parliament 
*1656 - 1658 Sir Thomas Widdrington Second Protectorate Parliament
*1658 - 1659 Chaloner Chute -- Third Protectorate Parliament
**1659 Sir Liselbone Long -- Deputy Speaker Third Protectorate Parliament
*1659 Thomas Bampfylde -- Deputy Speaker and then Speaker Third Protectorate Parliament
*1659 - 1660 William Lenthall -- Rump Parliament and Long Parliament
*1660 Sir Harbottle Grimston -- Convention Parliament
*1661 - 1671 Sir Edward Turnour -- Cavalier Parliament
Unless anyone objects or has any more information on the subject I am going to change this page to reflect the above. Another souce which has more details of the speakers and confirms the ordering of the Parliaments :
* 3 Nov 1640 - 20 Apr 1653  	Long Parliament (from 6 Dec 1648 Rump Parliament), London
* 4 Jul 1653 - 12 Dec 1653 	Supreme Authority, Nominated Parliament, London
* 3 Sep 1654 - 22 Jan 1655 	First Protectorate Parliament, London
* 17 Sep 1656 - 26 Jun 1657 	Second Protectorate Parliament, session I, London
* 20 Jan 1658 - 4 Feb 1658 	Second Protectorate Parliament, session II, London
* 27 Jan 1659 - 22 Apr 1659 	Third Protectorate Parliament, London
* 7 May 1659 - 13 Oct 1659 	Rump Parliament, London
* 26 Dec 1659 - 16 Mar 1660 	Rump Parliament (from Feb 1660 Long Parliament), London
* 25 Apr 1660- 13 Sep 1660      Convention Parliament, London
--PBS 11:52, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Interregnum]] Parliaments

message: Should this really be described as a parliament of James II?  It was summoned after he left the country, and its first act was to pronounce him deposed and make William and Mary King and Queen.  It seems that it is more appropriately assigned to William and Mary. john k 07:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convention Parliament of 1689 

message: Is there a reason why parliamnets older then 1485 are not listed?  Is it because they are not so consequitive?  If there is no particular reason I will probably add the likes of Wonderful Parliament, Model Parliament, Merciless Parliament and Good Parliament. MeltBanana 20:47, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You forgot the Parliament of Dunces. 68.39.174.238 03:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And the Parliament of Bats and the Drunken Parliament and the Parliament of Devils... 68.39.174.238 03:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And the Miraculous Parliament... 68.39.174.238 22:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And the Useless Parliament (I have a suspicion that some of these are really the same under different names. Also see http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/brewers/parliament.html ). 68.39.174.238 22:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Older parliaments 

message: The list gives two times a 3rd parliament under Charles II: one from 21 Oct 1680 to 18 Jan 1681 and one from 21 Mar 1681 to 28 Mar 1681 (the Oxford parliament). Is there any reaon why these two parliaments were given the same ordinal number? By the way, the article Oxford Parliament (1681) states that the parliament 21 to 28 Mar 1681 was the fifth and last parliament of the King's reign which I suppose would include the Convention Parliament of 1660. Could someone clarify this? --88.73.51.225 15:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd parliament under Charles II 

message: What is the source for all of these lists? For example, it seems to disagree with this as regards number of sessions in the Parliament of 1572. Benjamin M. A'Lee (talk) 20:17, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source? 

message: * The parliament holden at Oxford, an. 42. H 3. was called infanum parliamentum.
* 12 E. 2. the parliament of whitebands, albarum fibularum or metellarum.
* 5 E. 3. parliamentum bonum.
* 10 R. 2. parliamentum quod fecit mirabila, that wrought wonders.
* 21 R. 2. magnū parliamentū.
* 6 H. 4. parliamentū indoc̄'lū, lack-learning parliament.
* 4 H. 6. parliamentū fufliū the parliament of bats.
* The session of parliament in an. 14. H. 8. called the black parliament.
* The act of I E. 6. was called parliaments pium, the pious parliament.
* And the said act of 1 Mar. parliamentū propitium., the merciful parliament.
* The parliaments of queen Elizabeth stilled pia, justa, et provida. 
* The parliament holden anno 21 of king James, called fæalix parliamentum, the happy parliament. 
* And the parliament holden in the third yeare of our soveraigne lord king Charles, benedic̄'tum parliamentum, the blessed parliament.
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NB There are other earlier editions of this text which credit just Coke as the author, but this source has a cleaner OCR. The source for this is:
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-- PBS (talk) 10:51, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sir Edward Cokes names 

message: Hi. Thank you to those who put in all that work for the list! One question, though: Are you sure that Sir James Pickering remained Speaker beyond March 1383 ? His biography in The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1386-1421 simply says this of his second mandate as Speaker:
:"He was serving a second term as escheator there when the county electors returned him to the February Parliament of 1383, a short-lived assembly which sat for little more than a fortnight, but which none the less proved hostile towards John of Gaunt’s plans for an expedition to Spain. Once again Sir James occupied the Speakership, being no doubt an enthusiastic advocate of the popular view that Gaunt should stay in England to defend the Scottish border from attack"...
It doesn't mention him being Speaker again after that brief parliament. Aridd (talk) 14:33, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed these now; I agree they don't seem correct. (HoP explicitly has 1386-93 as "not recorded") Andrew Gray (talk) 13:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pickering 

message: I decided to Be Bold and add a new section. Although a comperehensive list of all parliaments is valuable, it also seems somewhat clunky and long for the average reader who might want to know only about pretty significant parliaments, so I thought it would be valuable to add a section which only includes those which have particular historical significance. I partially populated the list, simply by scrolling through the current lists and including those which have links to their own articles.
I recognize such a list is inherently arbitrary, but I think it is worth having. Thoughts? EditorGoBrrr (talk) 22:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Named Parliaments section 

message: I am having some trouble reconciling our list of parliaments of Edward III with other sources. There are some dates & locations for parliaments seem wrong.  Granted the records are all murky this early stage, but we should endeavor to get it as right as possible to help references. I am a little wary that this article has imposed a numbering system (1st, 2nd, etc.), as all these are still very vague.  IMO, Great Councils or aborted parliaments shouldn't be listed as numbered parliaments, and parliaments adjourned or continued for multiple sessions shouldn't be given separate numbers. 
It seems the major source for conventional lists of Ed III's parliaments is from the Bulletin of the Institute of Historical Research (1930), which is reprinted as Article XXI in Richardson & Sayles (1981) The English Parliament in the Middle Ages (Appendix, p.78).  It doesn't include "Great Councils".  It also doesn't include dissolution dates (which we do).  I am really curious where does our list come from?
Some of my particular problems with our list includes:
* (1st) most of the notes about the peculiarity of this parliament already included in the prior entry.  However, it is considered Edward III's first parliament and should have a start date. Richardson & Salyes (1981) date this parliament formally beginning on February 3 ("Morrow of Candelmas"), 1327 (the earlier assembly not being really a parliament, it officially converted into a parliament only after the coronation)  The official start date ("Morrow of Candelmmas") is recorded in the two statutes for this session (1 Edward III stat.1 & stat.2). (side note: this 'parliament' was allegedly intended to assemble on Dec 15 by royal writ of Edward II, but Queen Isabella, in possession of the royal seal, issued her own writ proroguing it to meet on January 7, with her presiding in Ed II's absence; however, Cobbett (p.77) argues there was no prior writ of Dec 15 issued by Edward II at all, that the original writ was entirely "trumped up" by the queen in her prorogation writ.  So the January assembly had no royal authority and should not be considered a parliament at all. Until, of course, young Edward III gave it sanction on February 3, the official start date.)
*(2nd) (Sep 1327) is not in the list of Richardson & Sayles (1981).   Is this considered a parliament at all?  If not, perhaps it should not be numbered.
*(3rd) (Feb 1328) we (i.e. the article) states that it met at Lincoln, and cites Sayles (no date, p.32).  I can't find this reference.  The list in Richardson & Sayles (1981) says this is the 2nd parliament, and that it met at York (not Lincoln).
* (5th) (Oct 1328) we state it assembled from Oct 16 and adjourned in Feb to Westminster.  R&S lists it as two separate parliaments, one that met Oct 16, 1328 at Salisbury, another that met Feb 9, 1329 at Westminster.  It doesn't make note of one being a continuation of the other.  They should probably be listed separately and given separate numbers.
*(6th) (Mar 1330) we state it met at York.  R&S list states it met at Winchester.
*(7th) (Nov, 1330) we state it met at Salisbury.  R&S list states it met at Westminster. I have a printed version of the statute for this session (4 Edward III), and it explicitly states it met at Westminster. 
* (missing) (April, 1331) we seem to be missing a parliament here.   R&S has a Parliament meeting at Westminster on April 15, 1331 ("morrow of quinzaine of Easter), no dissolution date.
*(9th) (March, 1332) we state it met at Winchester.  R&S list states it met at Westminster.  Perhaps an editor confused it with that of March 1330?
* (11th) (Dec 1332) we don't give location. R&S state it met at York and was continued to a second session in January 20, 1333, also at York. 
* (12th) (Feb, 1334) we don't give location, R&S state it met at York.
* (13th) (Sep, 1334) we state it met at York. R&S state it met at Westminster. Other sources reiterate Westminster.  Did we confuse Feb & Sep 1334? Given the paramount historical importance of the Sep 1334 session for the cementation of the lay subsidy, it is vital to get this one exactly right. Alas, I don't have a copy of Glasscock's 1977 book, and would be thankful if anyone could verify the location. 
* (14th) (May, 1335) Nothing wrong with this entry (met in York).  But R&S suggest this was the last parliament of Edward III that met outside of Westminster.  May be worth noting. All other parliaments henceforth met at Westminster (save for the aborted ones of 1337).
* (15th) (Mar, 1336) we state it met at York.  R&S state it met at Westminster.  I have two statutes for this session (10 Ed III stat.1 & 10 Ed III stat.2), and they explicitly say it met at Westminster.  There is a third statute for this year, but seems to be from a Great Council at Nottingham in Sep 1336 (not a parliament).  May be worth noting in parenthesis.  
* (16th) (Mar 1337).  We state it met at York.  But it seems it ended up meeting at Westminster.  R&S state this parliament was originally intended to meet at York in Jan 13 (Hilary) 1337 , but adjourned to February 9 (Octave of Candelmas) still at York, then adjourned again to March 3 (Monday after St. Mathias) to Westminster.  R&S suggest the two dated York sessions were intended, but never met.  (Curiously the printed copy of the statute (11 Edward III) in Statutes at Large explicitly states it met September 27 (Monday after St. Matthew, not St. Mathias) in Westminster; however, the copy in Statutes of the Realm goes with St. Mathias (thus Mar 3, conformable to R&S).  So, I can accept the date (Mar rather than Sep), but the location in all sources does seem quite insistent that the session met in Westminster. 
* (17) (Feb 1338) we state a parliament met at Northampton.  R&S states it met at Westminster.
* (18) (Feb 1339) we don't give location.  R&S states it was originally intended to meet on January 14 (Morrow of Hilary) at Westminster but adjourned to Feb 3 (Morrow of Candelmas), at Westminster.
*(19) (Oct 1339) we state it met at Northampton.  R&S state it met at Westminster.
*(20) (Jan 1340) we don't give location.  R&S state it met at Westminster.
*(21) (Mar 1340) we don't give location. R&S state it met at Westminster.  There are five statutes from this session (14 Edward III stat.1 through stat.5), confirming it was in Westminster.
*(22) (July 1340) we don't give location.  R&S state it met at Westminster (location may not be worth noting further, as R&S give location as Westminster for all subsequent parliaments down to 1377; the parliament at York in May, 1335 seems to be the last non-Westminster parliament that actually met).
(pause for now; will continue going through remainder later).  Walrasiad (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with Parliaments of Edward III