Talk:Hussein of Jordan

message: The article, especially the intro, looks like it was written by a pro-Hussein propagandist. The intro is filled with poorly referenced propaganda. Also, sections in which he should appear less than perfect to a pro-democracy Westerner, such as should be found in the Six-Day War, Black September, and The Gulf War sections, is minimal. Also, the article focuses on relatively unimportant. Hussein was the de facto and de juro king of an important country of six million citizens for 63 years, yet the half the article is about his personal life, family, and death. I'll help try to fix this.  dmyersturnbull   ⇒ talk 05:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just completed a major edit of this article to get it to standards.  I removed much of the unencyclopedic material and controversial claims.  I removed most of his speeches, only noting that he made them (if they were notable) and added qualifiers to other claims. Although it is still not a very good article, I think it should be an improvement. If anyone feels that these edits were unfair feel free to revert and we can discuss. But as I noted before, I think it is better now than it was before.  Poyani (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 2010 POV dispute

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message: There is even a pretty little footnote given linking an article to cite this statement. Except that the article on the other end of the link says nothing of the kind. It is a reference to an article about Nasser and Hussein meeting to sign their treaty prior to the Six Day War. Nasser is quoted saying a couple of things, but the words "imperialist lackey" aren't there. This should be marked "citation needed" at least, and removed if an accurate citation is not provided in support.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EclecticGeek (talk • contribs) 01:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I just did a quick google search and this source came up.  Feel free to add it. Although, instead of "had often referred to" it should probably say "had previously referred to".  Poyani (talk) 21:37, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  'President Gamal Abdul Nasser of Egypt often referred to Hussein as "an "imperialist lackey".' 

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message: Right now there is a link to the main article on the topic and not a very good summary, ending in a sentence fragment. A better (and hopefully unbiased) short summary needs to be written. Sergivs-en (talk) 07:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black September 

message: In April 1998 HM King Hussein visited Denmark.
On the 27th of April 1998 HM King Hussein of Jordan did receive the highest Dansh order "The Order of The Elephant".
The order is given almost exclusively to heads of state and to members of royal familes related to the Dansk Rpyal family.
Exceptins were Winston Churchil, General Mongommery and General Eisenhower who all received the order at the end of the second world war. 
Four non-royal Danes have received the order:
The language scientist Vilhelm Thomsen (1912), the founder of the Danish East Asiatic Company H. N. Andersen (1919), the nuclear scientist and Nobel Prize winner Niels Bohr (1947) and Mærsk Mc-Kinney Møller (2000).
Reference: http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elefantordenen
Peter Henrik Horsten
Copenhagen, Denmark.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.191.211.114 (talk) 23:11, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  HM King Hussein of Jordan did receive the highest Dansh order "The Order of The Elephant" on the 27th of April 1998. 

message: There is a notable gap in this article for the 1990-1991 Gulf War. This would be a valuable addition to the King's biography, and helpful for the lay scholar.76.92.141.104 (talk) 03:34, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  King Hussein and the 1990-1991 Gulf War 

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message: The descent from Muhammad itself does not confer any special status. It has recently been noted that the Queen of the United Kingdom is a descendant but that is hardly news since every European is descended from Muhammad. What entitled Hussein's ancestors to the Meccan Sharifate and gave political legitimacy to his regime was his agnatic descent from Muhammad's daughter, i.e. the status of sayyid. That's what sets his descent apart from that of millions of other. Surtsicna (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: How and why on earth do you think Europeans are deacended from Muhammad?! Again, I am using the terminology present in most sources. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's simple mathematics: "everyone of European ancestry must descend from Muhammad." The man lived 14 centuries ago and his immediate descendants were quite prolific. Similarly we are all descended from Charlemagne. There are sources that specify that Hussein was a male-line descendant of Muhammad's daughter (eg. ). It would not hurt to be more precise. Surtsicna (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

text:  Ok, I now see what you meant. Lets leave this bit away from the lede, I restored the rest. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

text:  It's the direct male lineage that matters. According to traditional genealogy, they are direct descendants of Muhammad's daughter and Ali. Also, his direct ancestors were the rulers of Hijaz, the region that includes Mecca and Medina. --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 05:24, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: And that is exactly what I wrote. Surtsicna (talk) 10:25, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descent from Muhammad 

message: : How about we refrain from using an Israeli think tank as a reliable source? What does majority even mean? 90%? 51%? Makeandtoss (talk) 22:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but the Begin–Sadat Center for Strategic Studies is a reliable source.  You give no legitimate reason why we shouldn't consider it reliable.  The fact that it is based in Israel is irrelevant for several reasons:
#The geographic location of a source does not impact a source's reliability.  To argue otherwise is distasteful to say the least.
#The think tank was founded by a Canadian and has an international staff.
#The author of the article is a Jordanian.
#We cite Israelis throughout the article.  --GHcool (talk) 00:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad source

message: "Jordan fought three wars with Israel under Hussein, including the 1967 Six-Day War, ..."
I'm not aware of any war other than the 1967 one that Jordan actually fought with (or rather against) Israel. Laugh Tough (talk) 05:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: War of Attrition and Yom Kippor. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many wars with Israel? 

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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replies: text: Hussein of Jordan →  – Per WP:PRECISION "Hussein of Jordan" could also refer to his grandson, Hussein, Crown Prince of Jordan and pageviews analysis demonstrates this as the two are relatively close in pageviews and the latter surpasses the former on occasion. 
WP:NCROY permits both forms "X of Y" or "X, King/Queen of Y" to be used, so that guideline is neutral on this matter. estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

text: *I did bring up his father's page. If this page gets moved, that one should be moved as well per WP:TITLECON IMO. Keivan.fTalk 22:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: Relisted per consensus at Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2023 May. The previous close was: "Moved to King Hussein. WP:BARTENDER." Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose: WP:SOVEREIGN (4.) supports the format "Name, title of country" absent an ordinal, but the current title is already perfectly recognizable, not realistically ambiguous and far more common than the proposed, and the potential confusion with the crown prince is extremely minor: very few people are going to think this is his son, and, if he is crowned, it will become Hussein I and Hussein II. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you mean his grandson, right? Because his son and the current monarch is Abdullah II. Just asking for the sake of clarification. Keivan.fTalk 20:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, my bad. Just re-read it and was going to correct it, but then saw you'd posted this. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:45, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Neutral re: the proposal, but strong oppose King Hussein, which violates normal rules about avoiding starting titles with honorifics and has recognizability issues. That you can use "King Hussein" in running text (as per ngrams) is neither here nor there. That kind of approach would lead to lopping off a lot of first names from biographical articles. Srnec (talk) 21:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose current naming convention follows WP:SOVEREIGN for monarchs, I see no reason to change it now, especially as there is King Hussein of the Hejaz. Crown prince Hussein isn't a monarch, and when he becomes one, he will be Hussein II, so there is no room for confusion, similar to Abdullah I of Jordan and Abdullah II of Jordan. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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