Talk:Devendra Banhart

message: This image appears to be copyrighted, per the caption:
© Laurent Orseau  .  It needs to be attributed on the image description page.
I found a link to where it comes from that the uploader must have found:
http://lorseau.hinah.com/gallery.php?c=pzic&s=concert&g=devendrabanhartgp&p=1&im=10
--149.169.60.160 04:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image status

message: The article says "his lyrics are often surreal and naturalistic." Perhaps one or two illustrations would be in order, especially since many people will find surrealism and naturalism to be odd companions. Also, might this not be an overly broad use of "surrealism"? Perhaps it would be better simply to say his lyrics are "obscure," "metaphorical" or "enigmatic"? I just read the lyrics for some randomly selected songs. In "Be Kind," "Gentle Soul," "Inaniel," "korean Dogwood," "Ones," "Miss Cain," "Queen Bee" I saw nothing that was surreal. "Legless Love" and "Surgery I Stole" do have lyrics that might be considered surreal.Interlingua 13:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, it has been discussed... http://www.stereogum.com/archives/devendra-banhart-not-a-pedophile.html    Interesting. -- Mellesime 05:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics

message: Devendra just said in an interview with a Norwegian newspaper that he worships the Norwegian statue The Little Angry Boy(known in Norwegian as Sinnataggen), and that he spent at least 2 hours a day with a model of it he had in a room in his home. Here's the interview http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=174672 (in Norwegian, but it's "evidence" that's it is true... I'm gonna translate it into english if I get the time. Gumdropster 22:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Was Devendra joking? Why does this statue have any significance in his life? —Christopher Mann McKaytalk 22:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He used the words:"I'm a novice in the study of the cult you have around the statue you have here in Oslo." On the question of why he said:"Sinnataggen opens a clear understanding of what it means to be surrounded by flesh and bones, and the macro cosmic. Sinnataggen is our entrance to the microcosmic which is the spirit. The room(where they keep the model of the sculpture) is our sinnataggogue, like a synagogue." He MAY have been joking, but it seems to be VERY him... Plus the newspaper is Norway's biggest newspaper, so they wouldn't need to make up information and interviews. Gumdropster 16:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worship! 

message: This seems like an inordinately long section about the band name. Is this really necessary? It would be much more useful to have more personal history about Devendra instead.
Dino213aa (talk) 20:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much about band names and a need for more background info 

message: The Tropicália from Brazil is a great influence in Devendra music. It need a better research about this.
Devendra Banhart  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.107.236 (talk) 01:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tropicália! 

message: According to Natalie Portman's Wiki article he is romantically linked to Portman.  This should be added in this article if it can be confirmed. Fatrb38 (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing's really been proved and I don't think it's relevant now anyway. Besides, should Wikipedia really be detailing every little part of people's private lives, just because the gutter press do? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 17:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linked to Natalie Portman? 

message: This is a notable reference which has been marked on this wiki page for years. His artistic contributions and his charity involvement are significant benchmarks, which have been cited in notable publications such as:
UNCUT - http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/devendra_banhart/news/9339
NME - http://www.nme.com/news/clap-your-hands-say-yeah/26153
Pitchforkmedia - http://pitchfork.com/news/34199-bss-the-national-bon-iver-share-charity-t-shirts/
There are no acceptable grounds for deletion here, so whomever keeps arbitrarily doing so please refrain from removing it again.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echo338 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How about WP:TRIVIA and WP:LINKSPAM? A T-Shirt is not significant, and that something was on a page for a long time does not change the official guidelines. Hekerui (talk) 16:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Both good points Hekerui. There is no need for a trivia section, and both links should remain internal - which they are. However, it's not just a t-shirt - it's an artistic contribution, which reflects his charity involvement. A musician’s charitable and artistic contributions are surely more notable than other miscellaneous facts which are listed on this page. Therefore, since this is a cited and notable reference which conforms to wikipedia guidelines, it should still be included as part of this entry. Perhaps you would like to alter the wording?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echo338 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Yellow Bird Project was found to be non-notable. Constantly readded external links that promote a product are considered WP:SPAM. Hekerui (talk) 13:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I also agree that this info should remain removed. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 01:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yellow Bird Project 

message: *I removed the unofficial forum because it does not comply with Wikipedia:External links.
*I changed several things in the discography: Surfing was moved because it is not a solo album, Nila, Nila or why the kids dont stand a chance was removed because it is not sourced and I can't find anything reliable on the web, Jana Hunter / Devendra Banhart had a redundant mention of it removed and I generally used albums existing on a reliable source, such as Allmusic.com Hekerui (talk) 10:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think problems like this will persist because Devendra doesn't lend himself well to quality coverage at all. Interviews comprising of kooky stories may be amusing, but they are of little encyclopaedic value. Similarly, even serious articles tend to spend half the time talking about "how weird he his", while quoting from said interviews. I really want to make this article decent but there's no chance at the moment due to these sourcing problems. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 18:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article is now better than before and at least somewhat "decent". If you find more reliable sources with bio facts, please add them. Hekerui (talk) 20:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, sorry. I didn't mean that as a slight on the article. It's much better now than it was in the past. However, I'm sure you'll agree that this wouldn't pass a good article review as it stands. I'll keep my eye out for more bio sources. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 21:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not GA :) I'm thinking about going through his album reviews to find more info, but articles about a musician himself are much better, you're right. Hekerui (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources etc. 

message: I removed some mentions of "Banhart appeared on album X by artist Y". I don't think this is important enough to include, unless he substantially contributed to the album as in a collaboration album or by choosing all the tracks - these cases are still there. Hekerui (talk) 23:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances 

message: I'm cleaning up minor style problems, which are inevitable as editors randomly add new material. The point is, "dropped in" material often interferes with the flow, mainly because of the use of verbs but also structure. Small changes can usually resolve the "stop-start" effect. The lead paragraph also has this problem, and I'm about to recitfy that. Just wanted to let others know. Allreet (talk) 14:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Eventually" is vague, a first album is a debut album, and "while" shouldn't be used as an additive link and only be used when emphasising that two events occur at the same time - and he doesn't record two albums at a time. These points are the whole edit, so I will revert it. Regards Hekerui (talk) 14:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor style changes 

message: This edit added unsourced trivia content, dropped into the text without context and also modified previously existent content in a way that is not found in the sources. I reverted to an earlier version. Hekerui (talk) 19:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Context 

message: Hello everyone. Hope you are all well. I am trying to help edit some misinformation and add new facts about Devendra. I know many of you take great care of this page and my only aim is to add more information and remove some false info that is up there. I realize I have attempted to remove an item that is sorted but that information contains a comment that was misquoted. This caused some concern and I now understand why after having learned about the Wikipedia process in greater detail. I am here to work with everyone and will discuss things in this section as much as needed. I appreciate that I have no more ownership of this page than anybody else but I am in a position to help add new accurate facts in the framework of working with you all. All the best and thanks. Lktmgmt (talk) 23:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As has been pointed out you on your talk page, please do not remove this quote without a reliable source that he was misquoted. --Stephen 23:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

text: There is no consensus for removal. Until the reliable source is produced the content can stay on, it's from Rolling Stone, which is considered WP:RS. Personal unease is not considered a valid reason for blanking information. Hekerui (talk) 17:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits/Additions to Devendra's Page 

message: 65.244.245.5, 71.105.87.225, and Lktmgmt are all run by Warner Bros., making concerted edits and reverts without explanation. Usage of multiple accounts/IP addresses to influence a page is sockpuppetry.
As for the issue: calling him a visual artist is unsourced. Having some drawings in a museum because you're famous is different from being a visual artist. To establish this, a reliable citation needs to be added. No such source was added and the content added about a "two man show" is not in the source. Adding unsourced content is original research. I revert to the earlier version. Hekerui (talk) 17:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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