Talk:Sylar/Archive 2

message: I know future Hiro states that the CheerLeader had been killed, and as such Sylar surived long enough to explode. However, Hiro had been knocked into the past, he wasnt there to see who exploded, we KNOW, that it was Peter who finally exploded, both in the present and in the Alternate Future's Past. The Cheerleader was alive in both these alternate realities, the only reason New York didnt get blown up was because the Cheerleader was reunited with her Biological father, and convinced him to be present at kirby plaza. Had nathan not been there, to fly Peter into the sky, then things would have played out exactly like they did in the original alternative future. Things are still playing out along those lines to a degree. E.G. Candice has been killed by Sylar, therefore he could still kill Nathan, and take his persona.
At the moment, the only thing I cant explain, would be how Sylar survives the explosion caused by Peter. Also, if you think about a ripple effect, Peter meeting Claire, and as such her meeting Nathan, would have altered other things too. She wouldnt have been interviewed by Parkman after the attack at the school, he wouldnt have noticed the inability of reading their minds caused by the Haitain, and Parkman would never have suspected Bennet of anything suspicious. Therefore, he would never have joined forces with him, and bumped into DL Hawlkins & Niki (Jessica), at kirby plaza, although not shown, it is likey Bennet and Parkman directed them both to Nathan, who then directed them to Linderman, which then lead to Lindermans Death. (Possibly DL's death too - Perhaps he died of the gunshot wound)
The Ripple Effect is quite hard to follow at times, but if you think about it, Claire not finding Nathan, leads to Nathan not directing them to Linderman, which leads to not finding Micah, which would be how Micah died in the Mendez Painting, he would have been in the building as the bomb went off. I applogize if this sounds like a rant, but im surprized that no one has mentioned the ripple effect caused by Hiro Nakamura's time travel. The integral moment of the series, which seems to have saved New York, doesnt seem to be "Saving the Cheer-Leader" it seems to me, to be more along the lines of "Reuniting the Cheerleader with her father."
Baaleos 12:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And if this were a fan site we might give credence to this.  But it's not.  You might want to try the www.HerosWiki.com, they are a lot more fan-based over there.  Padillah 12:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, things had already dramatically changed by that point. If Peter had exploded, the future would have been different, as Niki, Candice, Molly, Mohinder, Matt, Mr. Bennet, Candice, and Sylar would have died. Ophois 04:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar was never the original Exploding Man 

message: The article incorrectly states(in the cannibal bit) Molly was talking about Sylar when in fact she says he is someone else.
*The Boogeyman is Sylar. The Nightmare man is the one "worse" than the boogeyman.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.174.130 (talk) 21:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BoogeyMan 

message: Though it wasn't clearly obvious, Sylar might have stolen a power (similar super-speed, flight, or quick teleportation).  I notive this in "Homecoming", when Claire and Peter were climbing up the bleachers.  When they reached the top Sylar was still at the bottom, yet seconds after Claire leaves you can hear a sort of "whooshing sound" and Sylar is suddenly at the top in front of Peter.  He also seems to be much taller than Peter (more like he was floating instead of being naturally taller than Peter).  Since this can't be confirmed however, I know it can't be included in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.167.229.159 (talk • contribs).
By using his telekinetic powers on himself, he could theoretically "levitate", right? Perhaps he did this to get to Peter, which would also explain the lack of footsteps while Peter is not looking. Bio 21:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another power 

message: Mr. Bennet said that Sylar altered his own DNA to acquire powers. Sylar seemingly "died", then came back to life. I think those are related. This is speculation, but I think Sylar has the biological manipulation Ability - that would let him alter his own DNA, and control his body to fake his death. What do others think? --Stabbey 04:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Biokinesis. Unless they state that directly, we've got nothing. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Biokinesis is a neologism. Therefore it's never going to get stated directly.Jacobshaven3 11:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sylar seemingly died, sometime after an insect crawled across his cell bed. It looked like a cockroach, could he have stolen DNA from a cockroach?  cockraoches can slow their heartbeats, live without food for long periods of time, are highly resistant to radiation and can stop breathing for long periods of time. 64.231.11.223 03:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  This has been answered in Season 2 as Candice Wilmer, dragging his body into the sewers.
I like the idea of him taking Cockroach dna, but surely, he has only ever been seen taking "Special peoples" dna/brains. Does this mean, he would have had to find a "special" cockroach? Cockroaches also evolve fast, maybe thats part of his dna stealing mechanism? Baaleos 12:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar's revival 

message: Shouldn't the Alternate Future Section come before The Hard Part? Seeing as how the rest of the page is formatted this way shouldn't this be changed as well? Lyle A. Ruggles 16:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it shouldn't.  In order for the article to be comprehensive and easily understandable, the events in a character's biography should be written in the order they occur in the person's life.  It would be confusing to describe recent events (Genesis and following episodes), then past events (Six Months Ago), then recent events (Fallout and following episodes), then possible future events (Five Years Gone), then revert to the present again (The Hard Part).  If you were reading a biography of Elizabeth I, you wouldn't want to read about her coronation, her death, then the problems she faced with the church immediately following her coronation.  When reading about Sylar, you want to read about the past, present, and future in that order.  Arwen undomiel 03:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All I am saying is that since Sylar is on a TV show and how the alternate future bases everything on what has happened up to that point it should be before The Hard Part. Also the fact that the section focuses on an ALTERNATE future it should be noted that that was the branching off point.Lyle A. Ruggles 05:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Future 

message: Hiro Nakamura can teleport/time travel on a whim, and so Sylar will never be able to get his ability, since he eats brains and stuff :) Oh yeah, now he's dead too. (Or his he?)
:Not that this has much to do with the article, but on the flip side keep in mind that Sylar has absorbed and probably will absorb powers that the others don't have.  To date Peter has only apparently gained Sylar's telekinetic ability from their encounter, so it's not clear that he would be able to mimic all of Sylar's powers. For example, in their alternate future encounter during the series, it was clear that Sylar had illusionary powers that Peter did not. Likewise Peter never demonstrated Sylar's superhearing or freezing abilities. Dugwiki 17:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How the Heroes would always have an advantage over Sylar: 

message: After reading the actual references provided in the article, and the discussion above, I modified the language in the section on Sylar's powers to make clear that literal cannibalism is speculation at this point.  I included the actual quote from the executive producer on the subject within the article, and noted that the interview with Fuller mentioned that cannibalism was the original concept (but not necessarily the concept they are actually currently going with.)
Regardless of whether or not the cannibalism is actual, there is at a minimum metaphorical cannibalism taking place.  For example Molly's quote and Sylar's "sink his teeth" quote are, at the very least, metaphorical.  Of course, it's quite possible they are literally accurate, but we won't absolutely know for sure until at least season 2.
So for now I strongly recommend that the article not speculate on whether or not Sylar is a cannibal.  Rather, leave it to the article to point out that the series intentionally leaves vague what exactly Sylar does, but that cannibalism is a popular and possible method for his power assimilation. Dugwiki 21:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adjusted the language about cannibalism 

message: Seriously, who knows? The wall did kinda of bubble oddly when his arm came through it... I'm not even sure which one it was. Chozen1 11:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He phased through it.  If he had liquified the wall it would be a puddle on the floor.  Plus the special effect they used was identical to the special effect that they used for both D.L and Peter. Note that Peter presumably doesn't have the liquifying ability since he never met the guy who could do it. He did, though, meet D.L.  Also note that it's less likely (though possible) that Nikki would have romantically hooked up with Peter in the five-years future if D.L. were still alive. Dugwiki 16:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, DL was given to Parkman by Bennet, o I'd say that conclusively covers him surviving the Bomb, and since there has so far been no instance of liquification working like that, but we have seen phasing work like that, I'd think that was most likely the ability. Since Candice was also given over to Parkman, and she must have died, it seems logical the same came of DL (and thus Molly too probably), since DL would be impossible to imprison otherwise. Jacobshaven3 08:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Five Years Gone, How does anyone know if Sylar was PHASING through the wall or LIQUIFYING its MOLECULAR structure...? 

message: Could it be possible that James Walker was the person with cryokinesis? Sylar could have tested his new ability on himAFTER James was killed. The edge where he cut James head is frozen all around, which means the head was cut first.
And ye, english isn't my first language.213.112.109.3 21:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible James Walker had the cryokinesis ability that Sylar has stolen from someone, but obviously that's just speculation.  It's also possible he got it from one of the other people that were mentioned to have been killed by Sylar but never shown on television. Dugwiki 21:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the scene, James' hand is lifting the utensil to his mouth, meaning that Sylar froze him while he was eating and before cutting open his head. Ophois 21:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

text: A theory proposed by User Ophois on the James Walker talk page that I agree with is that he had the ability that Sylar now uses to make quick escapes, so Sylar had to freeze him in order to be able to kill him. (Slick023 18:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, this is all theory is speculation, which are not appropriate for Wikipedia. Furthermore, the talk page is not a forum for discussing theories about how/why/when Sylar used his abilities. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 19:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Walker and the cryokinesis 

message: I think when sylar gets stab in "how to stop a exploding man" he fakes his death because A. Earlier in the show when sylar's painting you see his eyes show clips an then stop with him and Peter in Kirby Plaza, when he was on the ground his eyes so clips and then stop on him dieing and goes white either he is really deid or that Issac's power dong it and B. How would move Sylar's body into a storm drain not the cops, no one would help or hide him (possibly), so it would be Sylar him self hide down a storm Drain.- RREDD13 21:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is speculation to say that Sylar survived Hiro's attack merely because he is in Season 2. According to interviews, Sylar has been helped by the person sending the cockroaches. Because we don't know the nature of the cockroach power, we don't know the situation of Sylar's missing body. Ophois 18:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar's Death 

message: I notice that this article relies a bit too heavily on detailed plot synopsis.  Virtually the entire thing is a detailed point by point description of every scene involving the character.  The article could really use some real world context, such as some information about what the producers or fans or Zachary Quinto think about Sylar.  I would bet there are some decent interviews where they talk about Sylar in more of a real-world behind the scenes fashion.  
So my advice would be to trim some of the excess plot detail and add a couple of paragraphs that explain in broader tones why Sylar is such an important character for the series, how he is perceived and handled by fans, actors and producers, and any out-of-show real world impact he might have if any. Dugwiki 15:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article relies too heavily on plot synopsis. Needs some more real-world analysis 

message: It's been strongly established that Sylar is a Narcissist in the extreme, believing that it is his destiny to be more than a Watchmaker's son. Also, he states that he kills other Heroes because it is only "natural selection" to him and that killing the innocent who hold no value for him is not what he wants to do. This is shown in both The Hard Part and Six Months Ago. This, in my opinion, must be added to the article because it is what makes Sylar tick. I'm just not sure how to do it. Any opinions would be appreciated. dposse 19:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  personality 

message: References 2. and 8. ascertain that Sylar is a tragic villain. I included this in the article but it was deleted by someone who based his decision on personal opinion rather than consensus.
I feel for you, what you have to do is to report the person who deleted it, state that it was done based purely on his/her own opinion or COI. If you continue to shout loudly enough about it they should lose their position on Wiki with any luck.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.121.70 (talk) 12:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you had signed your post I could have gone back in the history and see what was said and why it was removed.  But, as it stands I'd just have to step back through and find it by happenstance, and I don't have the kind of time.  If you want help, tell us where you want help, don't make it hard on us.  Padillah 13:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tragic villain 

message: The article currently states that Eden took her own life to prevent Sylar from acquiring her power of persuasion. This, as far as I can tell, is untrue. Sylar has used the "Eden voice" on multiple occasions after killing her, and even used it to compel Suresh to show him the list of superpowered humans in "Parasite" (I may have the wrong episode). I interpreted Eden's death as Sylar telekinetically moving her hand to point the gun at her head, and then her trigger finger to have her shoot herself. He seemed to attempt the same thing on Audrey Hanson during "One Giant Leap", so it doesn't seem too much of a stretch. Thoughts? Do we need to revise the sections in all Heroes-related articles on Eden's death?
:If Sylar forced her to kill herself, then why would he scream "No!"? He doesn't have her power. This has been stated by the writers/producers, who explain the "voice" that Sylar uses as just sound effects to be cool. Ophois 18:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that they've stated whether or not, but since he doesn't have her power, it implies that he can't. Ophois 00:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: So how come he has used the voice? I'm sure I heard him use it on Ando when he went to kill Sylar StephenBuxton 11:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As explained four lines up, it's just a sound effect the producers thought would sound cool. Ophois 12:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  It should be noted that Peter also does a funky voice effect when he confronts Isaac over his jealousy between him and that chick... whats her name.... Simmone Baaleos 12:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eden's Power 

message: It has been confirmed that Zachary Quinto will return for the second season. This means that he is alive. Calling on a 17th-century samurai to magically revive him is extreme speculation. The most logical thing is that the wound was not fatal and he simply survived. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 18:13, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Logic doesn't matter. I completely understand what you're saying and agree that he probably did survive, but it is speculation to say that Sylar survived Hiro's attack merely because he is in Season 2. According to interviews, Sylar has been helped by the person sending the cockroaches. Because we don't know the nature of the cockroach power, we don't know the situation of Sylar's missing body. Ophois 18:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How was he helped? Was was barely alive and nursed back to full health? Was he resurrected? We don't know. Which is the greater speculation: that he wasn't mortally wounded, or that he was somehow brought back to life? The simplest answer is the former. Trying to piece together what might have happened from various interviews is a original research and unverifiable. If you can provide a source that explicitly states he died as was resurrected, then add it. Until we have to stick with the default position: that he simply didn't die in the first place. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 18:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to be contrary but the reason I put "How (or if)..." in the first place is we have not seen Sylar since then and do not know (in terms of the series) that he is not, in fact, dead.  If you remember correctly there were rumors that Mrs. Petrelli had some power or another but that has yet to be revealed.  I feel the same about Sylar.  Until he actually shows up in the second season we, as viewers, are left to believe he 'may' be dead.  I know we use interviews to clarify canon when needed but this is something that I feel the show expounds on sufficiently, there is no need to clarify this point.  It was left intentionally vague and should remain so.  Padillah 12:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syar's survival/resurrection 

message: Wouldn't mention of Generations belong on Quinto's page?  Or it needs a stronger link to Sylar (as opposed to Quinto the actor).  Padillah 12:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generations 

message: Is it worth mentioning that Sylar's nickname comes from the face of a watch and that - similarly - the film [Zodiac|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_%28film%29] implies the Zodiac killer took his nom de plume for the same reason?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.119.239 (talk) 23:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: I find it odd that we have Maya Herrera in Sylar's list of kills, if we don't have Peter Petrelli there.  If Maya's on the list even after coming back to life, shouldn't Peter be there too?  Sylar telepathically lifted glass and killed Peter with it.  He came back, but, Maya did too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.72.77 (talk) 05:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Peter should be on the list.Ophois (talk) 07:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maya in the kill list? 

message: Sylar didn't demonstrate any better ability to resist Maya's disease than any other person.  The police and her friend have all survived, after much longer and greater exposure, after being "saved" by Alejandro.  Alejandro can't resucitate people, only keep them from dying in the first place.  If they die he's useless.  In an interview with the writers at http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12002 it says as much.  In any case Sylar is not exceptional for having survived, others have survived much worse.  Padillah 17:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surviving Maya 

message: in abilities or w/e that section is. it's a little confusing as to what this means at the end of it
"among those displayed are Candice Wilmer's power of illusion, Nathan Petrelli's flight, Claire Bennet's regeneration (which he failed to obtain originally, but acquired during the episode), and D.L. Hawkins' power of phasing." 
someone should clarify this in the article please 68.185.197.67 05:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like someone is trying to mention the future episodes as much as possible.  This is a "powers recap" of the future episodes and what powers Sylar acquired in both alternate futures.  I don't know how much more we can support the future episodes seeing as how they've been conclusively show to have been successfully avoided.  Mention in passing should be fine, we don't need to keep track of what powers he might have had in two alternate futures that will never come to pass.  That's a little much.  Padillah 13:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this alluding to? 

message: Just wondering everyones opinion on this but if Sylar couldn't use his powers before killing Candice Wilmar and then still couldn't use his abilities after, wouldn't that mean her ability was wasted? This all depends of course if him taking powers is a power itself, I mean it would have to be wouldn't it? if I killed someone and ate their brain i'm not going to gain their knowledge etc. So basically what I'm saying is if his power to take powers was not working wouldn't it mean he wouldn't have Candice's powers even if he was able to regain his preexisting ones?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.139.205 (talk) 05:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't really know what's wrong with his powers yet, or how his power-absorbing method works. It's possible he does still have all his powers including Candice's, he just can't get them to work right now. Wanderer32 17:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Her head wasn't opened either. Therequiembellishere 23:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, first off, I think Sylar is at least smart enough to know when he's successfully eaten someone's brain.  He's stolen enough powers that I think he wouldn't forget how.  If he tried and failed there's something wrong, not just that he forgot to open her head.  The fact that he's less than affected with anything resembling the symptoms of the virus would suggest that he doesn't have the virus.  He's not ill, he's not bed-ridden, nothing.  So, as much as I know we hate saying this, we're going to have to wait and see what happened.  We are in no hurry, we have no need to scoop anyone.  Padillah (talk) 13:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: So close, I didn't take the various strains into account.  Ok, ok. :/  Padillah (talk) 18:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylars inability to use powers. 

message: I added a Minuteman link to give background information on the "civilian border patrolmen" Sylar convinces Maya to kill and it was referred to as "an attempt to add link support to the Minuteman project."  Are we not allowed to add links which will give background information on the show's elements if someone disagrees with them?  I certainly dislike the Minutemen and view them as racist and repugnant, but thought that the link would add greater understanding to viewers who are unfamiliar with the border situation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.108.208.123 (talk) 23:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minuteman Link 

message: should we have a section on sylars artwork?  i know there isnt much but is it notable enough for inclusion?  i am just asking of course.
he only did four
#one of president in oval office
#sylar seeing ted at kirby plaza
#using his moms blood to make new york after explosion
#his confrontation with peter in kirby plaza
what does everyone think?--Chrisisinchrist 18:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  sylars artwork 

message: How did he survive getting impailed by Hiro? And how did he loose his powers??
67.72.98.120 (talk) 04:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Company helped Sylar recover. The wound rendered him unable to use his powers, though. This is covered in the article. Josh (talk | contribs) 04:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just have to mention, does he really get cellular regeneration? None of the other characters that have been injected with blood from healable characters have shown the ability to perpetuate that (it might be a bit much for Noah to obtain his daughter's abilities). Furthermore, Sylar gets his powers through the brain, and blood is not it. And on a more scientific note, blood is not really an adequate medium to transfer enough DNA to be amplified (Red blood cells lack nuclei). -- Permafrost 14:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not until we have a citable source.  Just because som fan thinks it doesn't mean it's good enough for wiki.  Padillah 14:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powers and Death??? 

message: Is there anything that suggests that Hiro was right believing Sylar was the original exploding man? Did Peter saving Claire create a timeline in which he exploded or was it always him? The article states that the timeline was changed (68.43.199.150 (talk))  —Preceding comment was added at 17:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems likely, but I don't think we have proof that the belief that it was Sylar in the original timeline was correct. He had enough control not to do it accidentally and it seems out of character to do it deliberately. We do know the timing of the explosion changed, and that in the original, Nikki wasn't present, but I don't think we can conclude anything from that 68.43.199.150 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 14:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The String Theory graphic novel (#30) portrays Sylar exploding in Hiro's presence in timeline #1. There's some wiggle room I suppose but when it was released, people thought it was unambiguous enough to be considered a spoiler for the finale. 209.180.36.94 (talk) 18:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I see four, although it's actually pointless. In the second episode when Hiro goes five weeks into the future, the bomb goes off without knowing who it is, I see three key differences I see is Ando lives, Hiro is in Issac's loft, missing for five weeks, and it happens during the daytime. And the rest are as stated above. Anyhow I'm deviating from the Sylar discussion and I appologize.Akuzio 10:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar as exploding man 

message: And, no, I don't mean is it possible.  I mean are we allowed to or does it infringe on some type of copyright?  I have PS so I can do the work, I just don't want to cause a problem.  Padillah 15:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I recall correctly, "fair use" images are to be presented "as is", meaning without any type of modification. I can't find the proper information at the moment and im basing this just on what i remember reading when i was looking up copyright laws, and if i'm wrong someone please correct me.Akuzio (talk) 13:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked this question in Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions and was told it is OK to enhance an image.  I think that's where the difference lays: enhancing the original image vs. changing the image to something else.  Padillah (talk) 13:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we lighten these pictures? 

message: What was Sylar's plan in the final episode of Season. 1? Because I didn't understand it and the article doesn't explain what it is. It was something to do with the exploding man (whose identity seems to change like the seasons), killing Peter Petrelli and becoming president from what I can gather. 86.133.200.236 (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While interesting, this question really is more appropriate for a fan site than this talk page.  If you have a question about the article please, feel free to ask.  Padillah (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, right.  Good point.  Padillah (talk) 21:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Just out of curiosity what is his plan? --Illustrious One (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To take power from... those that don't deserve it and... use that power to...  I don't know.  Maybe that's why his plan isn't in the main article, we don't have a good handle on what it is.  Padillah (talk) 18:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar's plan 

message: Okay people, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Candice say that she can create illusions?  We see her demonstrate her power all throughout season 1, and then she even states what her ability is in season 2.  So, why is this being deleted repeatedly?  Grey Maiden talk 04:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Sylar didn't have his powers when he killed her, so it's unconfirmed whether he actually acquired her's. Ophois (talk) 04:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candice Wilmer 

message: Sylar didn't acquire her powers, after Hiro went back in time and changed her cause of death.
She died of brain cancer instead. So essentially, Sylar never got to her after Hiro modified time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.189.93.101 (talk) 13:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the citation that supports this information? QuasiAbstract (talk) 18:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Hiro was prevented from changing the timeline. She was still killed by Sylar. He demonstrates her power in one of the graphic novels. Ophois (talk) 22:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The whole point of the story arc was not that charlie died.  the point was, no matter what hiro did, charlie was going to die anyway. so, sylar did kill her.  when hiro teleported back to modern times, history continued and sylar killed charlie.  the only difference was charlie knew hiro, but she was still present at the diner to be killed.  also, in graphic novel road trip, sylar uses his memory to learn how to drive a big rig.  he mentions that he wants to use his new ability from charlie--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 21:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eidetic memory 

message: What is wrong with the character info being brokern down into sereis sections. (Electrobe (talk) 08:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more appropriate to have it in volumes, as each are separate storylines. Ophois (talk) 08:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The Volume names are already listed. Ophois (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series 

message: I have noticed an unnatural obsession over the inclusion of 'spinach' as an adjective for the type of can Sylar demonstrated his regained TK on.  I would like to put forth that this, while interesting to some fan speculation, is of little or no use to the article.  I would like to determine a consensus and try to avert an edit war in the making.  Please help me and vote.  Padillah (talk) 21:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *weak delete - it is descriptive, but i think by adding it we my see a slippery slope start. Jmjanssen (talk) 21:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

text: *remove - descriptive - yes, but something that enhances the article - no.  We don't need to be adding "descriptions" that don't help the article in any way, except make an editor feel like they've done something. QuasiAbstract (talk) 10:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

text: *Sigh* I've given up. So, no more spinach. Adding the word spinach hasn't made me feel like I've done anything... Please don't jump to conclusions when you're looking at others' actions. --Ice Vision (talk) 20:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It can't be that blatantly obvious, I don't get it.  What Popeye reference is everyone making?  What are you guys talking about?  Padillah (talk) 14:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the last entry was supposed to be helpful.  QuasiAbstract (talk) 17:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Seems like someone is streching for that reference, but whatever.  This was only brought on because after many reverts by many different editors, it was brought to the talk page for further discussion.  It was then dropped by the original editor who wanted to add it.  If you do see several things that offer no enhancement, then remove them. QuasiAbstract (talk) 00:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think that the spinach reference is indeed important. Surely the authors of the scene knew the significance of using a can of spianch. I'll dig into this a little more on the Heroes website; this hardly seems coincidental. I'm betting that sooner or later a good reference will turn up. In the mean time, why not include it? It does little to harm the article, and adds a nuance that reflects the general pop culture context of the use of the can. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 23:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: P.S., if anyone is wondering about just how much buzz that the Spinach/Sylar connection is generating, Google brings back over 4,000 hits , and Sylar + popeye and eye-popping 7000 . --Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: And just for good humor, check out Sylar the Sailor, --Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The importance of "spinach" 

message: My apologies if this issue has already been covered in my absence, but a thought occurred to me. Peter's basic empathic power allows him to mimic the abilities of superpowered individuals, either through proximity or, after his training with Claude, recall. Sylar, on the other hand, physically 'steals' the powers of individuals by "eating their brains", as Molly Walker puts it. Peter has shown that he can mimic Sylar's supposed baseline power, telekinesis, (it was used against him during their confrontation in "Homecoming",) but a question comes to mind. Has it been confirmed that Peter can access a) any/all of Sylar's acquired abilities, or b) only those abilities that Sylar has used in proximity of Peter? Naturally there is going to be an overlap, but I think the question is valid. Radical AdZ (talk) 14:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter/Sylar's Powers: Where does one end and the other begin? 

message: should there be a bit of information in the article regarding the out of sync ticking sound that appears in sylar's mind when he's going to kill someone, that has some relivance, doesn't it? - RVDDP2501 (talk) 04:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ticking sound 

message: * Hiya. I know after Zach Quinto was cast as Sylar they had him rerecord the answering machine message Mohinder played earlier in the series.  This rerecording can be heard on one of the flashback sequences at the beginning of a later episode (sorry, I forget which one).  I don't have the DVD set, could someone who has it check back in that earlier episode and see if for the DVD set they altered the original episode to use the rerecorded one instead of Maurice LaMarche as well?  --Centish (talk) 07:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  answering machine message 

message: Dwlie's edit is a notable one. Wow! Stop removing it 143.235.215.6 (talk) 23:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's unnecessary trivia that can be found within the plot summary here if its important enough, and the episode articles if people need to know it. It'd be like making tables for his aliases, attempted murders, wounds, and other trivial things that are covered where necessary. TTN (talk) 01:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of murders/powers 

message: Can we please have a discussion about how to format this person's name and alias? The two proposals on the table look like:
*Sylar/Gabriel Gray - This gives nod to the more common and arguably more character-embraced pseudonym.
*Gabriel Gray/Sylar - This gives precedence to the given name.
Please add comments regarding which is better worse or indifferent and we'll try to get this settled. Thanks for any input. Padillah (talk) 15:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  OK, Pick a name (for crying out loud) 

message: Under his powers it states that he can use his telekinesis to enhance his strength.  This is not true as, the instances in which he appears to have super strength he only uses his power to create the illusion that he has super strength, not to actually augment his strength.  Second, there is no proof of this, we don't necessarily know all of the powers Silar has, for all we know he actually does have super strength.  I'm removing this.Adroa (talk) 22:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well that's not true at all: Super strength 

message: This was probably brought up somewhere, but I don't remember, so I'll ask anyway - Sylar has been mortally wounded several times (shot multiple times in "One Giant Leap", fell off a roof in "Homecoming", shot in "Distractions"...) How could he survive all of that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.73.226 (talk) 20:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He obviously doesn't have spontaneous regeneration, or he wouldn't have gone after Claire. I think the official word is that, while he can be wounded, he's using his telekinesis to hold himself together. Thanks to his eidetic memory, one look through a medical textbook is all he'd need to know how to treat and repair his injuries. Wanderer32 (talk) 01:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He did kill Peter Petrelli by telekinetically thrusting a shard of glass into his head (he came back to life when it was removed) so he could've absorbed Peter's regeneration (which he in turn had obtained from Claire) then. It's all speculation though. Digifiend (talk) 13:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How could he have gotten it from Peter? He didn't remove his brain. Ophois (talk) 23:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spontaneous regeneration? 

message: I tried to add these two to hi list of powers, but they were deleted, even though he has been seen to use them both during the series. What gives? Jack Sylar (talk) 23:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Enhanced durability can be explained by telekinesis, so it would be speculation to say that he has that ability. As for "death mimicry", it's kind of iffy, and should be discussed first. Ophois (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

text: The writers confirmed that what seems to be invulnerability is actually telekinesis. Death mimicry has never been mentioned as a power. eb (talk) 10:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enhanced Durability and Death Mimicry 

message: Sylar killed molly walker's father (or mother?) for the ability of freezing. He has used it on several occasions, like  just before he killed his mother (he frose water into snow and levitated it) or (i think) when facing off against future peter. Timebender13 (talk) 21:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did you see this? We know he killed the Walkers but we've never been able to prove he got the freezing power from Molly's father or mother or if he got it from some unnamed individual before he even got to the Walkers. If you've got some kind of citation let's see it so we can end this. That'd be great. padillaH (review me)(help me) 13:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Already noted here: Talk:Sylar#Cold_Manipulation. ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 13:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freezing 

message: Hi, I've started watching Heroes late, but one thing I noticed towards the end of season one was that before Sylar kills Isaac, he uses Eden McCain's voice to command him to do something (show him a particular picture, I think it was).  The same sound effect that was placed on Eden's 'command' voice was used, but it's implied from Eden's final scene that she shot herself to deny Sylar her power.
So, what do we think?  Is this just a continuity error, or was Sylar able to take Eden's voice regardless of the bullet wound?217.207.239.245 (talk) 11:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's neither, Tim Kring has said the voice effect was exactly that, a Dramatic Effect. He just did it because it sounded cool, nothing more. Sylar is not believed to have obtained Edens power (several people are casting aspersions about Peter, but Sylar has been ruled out). padillaH (review me)(help me) 13:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eden's voice 

message: Why exactly was the alernate future section removed a while ago? Other articles such as Peter Petrelli and Angela Petrelli have sections about the alternate timelines. Ophois (talk) 04:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I'm all for taking the bloody things out. Not that I removed it but it was the plot of one episode and has not been revisited for an entire season. Yes, there are indications that the future will be revisited this season but there is no indication that it will be the one that was left in season one. In fact the point of season one was that the future that was depicted will not come to pass now. So, between it's limited exposure and the fact that it has been rendered moot I don't see why we have sections devoted to it. I say get rid of it altogether, in all the articles. padillaH (review me)(help me) 13:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate future 

message: any one else notice that sometimes his voice takes on a distorted, alsmost demonic tone in some instances, like before he killed the car mehcanic for he super hearing she said "whats that sound?" and he said "murder!" in a warped tone, there have been other instances too, is this a power, or just dramatic effect?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.127.90 (talk) 12:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you check the archives you will see everyone has noticed it. It has been described by Tim Kring as artistic license. I believe his direct quote was "It sounded cool". Should we make mention of this in the article if we're just going to get asked this over and over? padillaH (review me)(help me) 13:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely not, unless you obtain a specific citation noting Kring's manipulation of the audio track. With other marketing tools, like a phantom ring and ARG, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were a citation speaking to this. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 13:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ithought there was an interview (way back when this happened) where he said he took artistic license and some other stuff about how it's not her power. Can't for the life of me remember when it was but it was on that writers blog... crap, I can't even remember the name of that now. padillaH (review me)(help me) 14:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  demonic voice 

message: I believe the word to use is acquire. Absorb is more for peter.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paramount X (talk • contribs) 03:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's appropriate for Peter, either.  Both learn or mimic, Sylar on a conscious level, Peter on a subconscious or instinctual level ... Fredmdbud (talk) 19:11, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: while this hinges dangerously close into OR, allow me to explain the difference. Absorption is a passive thing, and Peter doesn't mean to absorb the powers he receives, he just does, Sylar goes out to fetch them, cutting off gents and gems' skullcaps to poke an prod their brains - something of an active seeking, if I may say so. Peter absorbs the ability, not understanding them when he gets them (ergo, the whole "exploding man" thang). Sylar doesn't struggle with how the abilities he takes work - it is the process of acquiring them that he understand their form and function, and loses sight of his subsequent actions. Steal, appropriate, acquire - all apply to how Sylar gets his power, none apply to Peter's absorbing. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absorbed isn't the word to use 

message: I removed the line "though he cannot acquire an ability from a dead person." for the following reasons:
A) There's no citation supporting this, and as far as I can tell it's speculation.
B) It's been stated on the show that he removes the brain of the victim (though he didn't appear to have to do this with Claire)...that would pretty much kill them, leaving him to examine a dead brain.  Of course that assumes that he removed the brain before acquiring the new ability, and not after.  All this too is speculation, but it's enough to prevent me from changing the statement to "though it is unclear as to whether or not he can acquire an ability from a dead person."
Point is, there's no reason to include "though he cannot acquire an ability from a dead person" at this juncture. -—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.12.177 (talk • contribs)  EVR  (talk) 01:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is shown in the latest graphic novel that he can't. Ophois (talk) 05:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is indicated before that sentence. ~QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 07:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the future, it might be splendidly helpful to actually ask if we see a fact that doesn't seem accurate - it saves a lot of time with all the reverting and whatnot. Asking before removing makes a person seem like something less of an ass. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

text: And in the future, "EVR", please actually create an account, instead of masking your IP address with a fake name. It tends to erode a lot of good faith when you do such. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cannot acquire abilities from the dead. 

message: IMO we should use separate columns for power acquisition and power use. IIRC he hasn't used Bridget Bailey's psychometry power yet. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 00:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Has it been established that the current "Episode" column is for both, and not just acquisition? - Josh (talk | contribs) 16:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the "Episode" column was for first use because there are times that Sylar has aquired powers both in a graphic novel and between episodes (i.e. Cryogenics). Padillah (talk) 17:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate columns for acquisition and use 

message: Is there any explanation for the apparent regenerative powers he has in season 1? Surviving a volley of gunshots and getting back up and running away.. getting stabbed by that sword... etc. etc. 134.197.22.98 (talk) 22:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a mighty power indeed, my anonymous frind - that of Plot Device. ;) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 00:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

text: On the unofficial Heroes wiki, the explanation for surviving the gunshots was that he used his telekinesis to slow the bullets somewhat. However, I have no clue what their source on that was. Getting stabbed by a sword he barely survived; that's why he'd had eight surgeries.However, Arcayne put forth the best explanation. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  regeneration 

message: It appears that Sylar can again LISTEN to things far away, the episode when Mr.bennet was telling the vortex dude to kill him.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.84.42.116 (talk) 14:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or he was intrigued by the confrontation his partner was having. There is nothing that indicates he could here vs. simply read the minds of those at the scene. Padillah (talk) 14:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Considering Sylar's primary ability (intuitive aptitude), I imagine that he can figure out a great many things, even from a distance and based on body language and personality alone. ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 14:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

text: he's kept locked up in a cell most of the time, I think that would give him PLENTY of free time to learn how to lipread even without his ability because AFAIR at Claire and Vortex-man (forgot his name) were both facing his general direction but I could be wrong  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.196.66.117 (talk) 01:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You see, I got the opposite from the scene, that he *couldn't* hear (otherwise, why would they change to silence from Sylar's POV), but that he was curious about what was going on and suspicious - and that he'd worked it out how things had played out. Totally my opinion - not verifiable - but that's how I thought it happened. --WORM |  MЯOW 10:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with WORM. IIRC, when he used his hearing in Season 1, they'd have an effect and give the audio when focused on him. No such effect in this episode. Ophois (talk) 17:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree for exactly the same reason. Generally there's some sort of effect (visual or audio) when most powers are being used, and there was no such indication that he was using super-hearing. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hearing 

message: There was a section under "Powers and Abilities" that said Sylar has been able to understand a power by watching the owner use the power. One this is ambiguous, does this mean he can tell what a power is, or does it mean that he can replicate a power by simply watching someone use it? And second, can someone help me out with why this is thought to be the case? I can re-watch the epi when I get home but I think someone thing like that would have stuck out more. How are we able to tell that Sylar can "understand the power"? Thanks for the help. Padillah (talk) 12:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In "I Am Become Death", when Knox and Sylar are fighting, Sylar is able to understand how Knox's ability works. I'll rephrase it in the article, and you can revert it if you still have a problem with it. Ophois (talk) 17:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I've had to remove it. While Sylar does figure out what the ability is, there is no indication how he does it. Is it part of his "ability"? Or is it just a case of putting two plus two together? --Ckatzchatspy 18:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, I didn't interpret it as "Sylar can access a power by observing it", merely that he understood what it was (to rephrase: "Hey, look, you get crazy strong when my kid freaks out" instead of "Hey, look, you get crazy strong when my kid freaks out, and now I can too"). He could just have easily read a file on Knox, though; I think removing it was a good call. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think they'd be more specific if this was actually part of Sylar's power. I think it was more of a plot-tastic way to remind us what Knox's power was, as we hadn't been told that episode and he's still a fairly new character with a power that isn't intuitively obvious. -- WORMMЯOW  15:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gained abilities by watching 

message: I remember in Heroes Unmasked they talked about the effects/elements used regarding Sylar, for example the ticking when he is about to do something 'evil' or the cockroach when he has left a scene. Now, I can cite these points - and a few more bits like his watch, but I'm wondering if it's information that's worth putting in? Any thoughts-- WORMMЯOW  11:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar effects 

message: As it has been revealed that Sylar's power is actually empathic mimicry, that means that Intuitive Aptitude is not his base power, but rather an ability that he had absorbed. What are everyone else's thoughts on this? Ophois (talk) 20:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Him being able to copy powers wouldn't allow him to understand everything. Ophois (talk) 02:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Arthur tells Sylar that he can acquire powers through empathy, and that he's always had this power in "It's Coming", and in this interview at comicbookresources, Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete confirmed that there's no difference between Peter's power and Sylar using his power to understand powers through empathy. That doesn't prove they're the same power, it's also possible thet Peter's empathic mimicry is a narrower version of Sylar's power. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I started a talk subject about this over at the main article but the gist is, I think they are the same power, just different methods of using that power... like Angela and Isaac with Precognition. Padillah (talk) 17:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't make sense that they'd be the same power, though. Why would being able to absorb a power allow someone to understand how a watch works? I asked a question about this on the Comic Book Resources Behind the Eclipse Q&A, but as usual they only gave a vague answer and said to wait until episode 19 to learn more about Sylar. Ophois (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Base ability 

message: I notice the article says that Sylar only regains telekinesis and intuitive aptitude at the start of Season 3. If this is the case, how come his future self causes a nuclear explosion in "I am Become Death" - a power he gained at the end of season 1? 86.165.77.58 (talk) 00:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: His future self gains it from someone else.Ophois (talk) 01:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Or finds a way to unlock lost powers -- WORMMЯOW  10:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Basically, considering what they can do with a show such as this (time travel, plot devices, etc), unless they explicitly state that he in no way unlocked his lost powers or gained nuking from another source, it's not a continuity error.  There's just a huge hole of time that we don't know what will happen. ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 10:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, he's been established to have empathic mimicry, and is from a timeline in which the formula has made powers far more common. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuclear Ability - Continuity Error? 

message: IMO the table should distinguish between Claire, Elle and Sylar's other victims, either in the table or in footnotes under the table. Most of the characters who Sylar acquired powers either died from the injuries inflicted in the process. Claire was also a victim of Sylar's traditional power acquisition method, she only survived due to her powers. Elle's power was acquired through empathic mimicry, and, although it looks like Sylar's about to kill her at the end of The Eclipse, Part 2, it's not to acquire her power, as he's had it since It's Coming. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 09:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How do we know that he's not acquiring her power? It's shown that he doesn't have full control of his electric powers due to it being through empathic mimicry, so for all we know, he could be acquiring her power the old way to understand how to use it.Ophois (talk) 19:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But he already has her power, at most, he would merely be gaining a greater degree of control over it. Listing the acquisition of electricity manipulation from Elle in It's Coming without anything to distinguish it from other acquisitions (such as the current "through empathic mimicry" note) would imply that Sylar killed Elle for her power in It's Coming. The table only lists his confirmed successful power acquisitions, which is why Candice Wilmer is omitted, and why the possible power acquisition in Eris Quod Sum won't be listed in the table unless it's confirmed as such. IMO footnotes for Claire, Elle and anyone else he acquires powers from in a non-fatal manner would also be an acceptable option. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

text: See the above section about cold manipulation. EVula found this  which confirms Molly's dad was the source for Cryokinesis, and was then a test subject... You never know, maybe Sylar perversely put him into that position to confuse the police-- WORMMЯOW  14:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victims / sources 

message: Sylar gets Cryokinesis from James Walker however in the episode Don't look back he has frozen James wlker's body then cut open his head.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.24.251.240 (talk) 13:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See the above section about cold manipulation. EVula found this  which confirms Molly's dad was the source for Cryokinesis, and was then a test subject... You never know, maybe Sylar perversely put him into that position to confuse the police-- WORMMЯOW  14:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: James Walker

message: There's been a bit of back and forth about Sylar's ability to acquire a power. Apparently a distinction is being made that there's a difference between taking a power without removing the brain and taking one without removing the skull cap. I argue that when he absorbed Elle's power he did so without having removed her brain or skullcap so this recent bit with the shapeshifter is nothing new. Sylar removed Elle's brain because he's a sick twist, not because he needed her power. Padillah (talk) 12:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference between acquisition methods (supposedly) is identical to the difference between using intuitive aptitude (brain analysis leading to superior control of the obtained ability) and empathic mimicry (less fine-tuned control, but the target/victim does not die). However, it is heavily implied in the final scene with James Martin that Sylar is going to forcibly take the ability and kill Martin in the process, just without opening the skull. Since Martin is later found with a metal shard in the back of his head, it's possible that all Sylar really has to do is examine that back part of the brain, kind of like he did with Clair. This small incision was than "accounted for" by the shard. This process is actually very similar to how Sylar originally killed Brian Davis and obtained telekinesis. If this is true, removing the skullcap is simply Sylar's trademark and nothing more. Either way, we won't know until more is revealed in later episodes, graphic novels, or by the writers. Pagemaster146 (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Rampant speculation aside, how does this mean he ripped off Elle's skullcap? The statement is that James Martin is Sylar's first acquisition without removing a skullcap. Unless I miss my guess Sylar acquired Elle's power without killing her so wouldn't that be the first acquisition of a power without removing the skullcap? Mastery has nothing to do with it. Padillah (talk) 17:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the first one shown through Intuitive Aptitude. Sylar acquired Elle's through Empathic Mimicry. Ophois (talk) 18:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you know? He stared harder? How can you possibly know something like that? Padillah (talk) 18:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Which statement are you questioning? The use of intuitive aptitude or empathic mimicry? Empathic mimicry is applicable when the person with empathic mimicry has some emotional or personal connection to the target. Sylar obtained telekinesis from Davis due to his extreme guilt over Davis' murder. He obtained electric manipulation from Elle by forgiving her for her role in turning him into a serial killer (a pretty big step) and by getting her to forgive (1) himself for killing her father and (2) herself for indirectly causing her father's murder (by creating Sylar in the first place, etc.). In the case of James Martin, there was no emotion, no empathy. Sylar spends the whole episode analyzing Martin, his lifestyle, his insecurities, his dreams. He is effectively analyzing a set of facts and ideas (i.e. a complex system) like he did to the watches he used to fix. In effect, he is applying intuitive aptitude. He does not care about Martin, he does not feel bad for his death, and he does not care that he is being hunted by Danko. To Sylar, Martin is a target and that is all. Therefore, Sylar cannot use empathic mimicry in this case, and if he had a choice, most likely would not want to. Therefore he must have used intuitive aptitude. Now, if you bring up Peter being able to simply obtain powers by standing next to people, remember that Peter was always described as a natural empath; as a nurse/caregiver, he was naturally inclined to care about others and to feel happy, sad, angry, hopeful, etc. for and with them. Empathic mimicry comes easier to Peter, it just happens with him; Sylar has never been like that and therefore he must go through far more to become emotionally linked to the target. Again, this did not happen with Martin. (On a side note, Peter's ability change to one-power-at-a-time symbolically mimics how he's changed as a character, i.e. how he's grown from "warm-and-friendly" = lots of powers to "cold-and-distant" = only one power.) Pagemaster146 (talk) 04:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And you have citations for that load of...statements? Again I'm forced to ask, fan forum aside, how can we know what the mechanism used was? And, in any case, it was not the first time he took a power without removing the skullcap. Unless we are now mincing powers and getting to a point where him using one type of invisible power is different than him using another type of invisible power. Without a citation what you've got is called speculation. Sylar could just as easily been said to sympathize with James Martin's quest for power and love of the chase. Why wouldn't Sylar sympathize with that? And how's saying he sympathized with Elle? Maybe he symply got her to use her power so much on him that he was able to analyze the catalyst and determine the forces at work. See, that's the problem with speculation, you see it one way and I see it a different way. Without a citation there's no way to tell which view the writers intended. Padillah (talk) 12:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree there is room for ambiguity concerning how Sylar obtained shapeshifting (though I think my argument is pretty sound). However, you are wrong concerning Elle. Take a look at Ref. 12, "Weekly Q&A with Heroes writers, week of 11-17-08". Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete mention twice how Sylar (in reference to the next episode at the time, It's Coming) will be "doing something" (in reference to obtaining an ability) "a little different tonight". They also say this: "Kyle, we assume you mean telekenisis, and not telepathy and if so, you nailed it. Brian was Sylar’s first kill and his power is connected to emotional empathy. In fact, we’ll be exploring that very sentiment tonight [in It's Coming]. In chains. With electricity." The writer's are pretty explicit that Sylar used empathic mimicry, not intuitive aptitude, to obtain electric manipulation. He may have improved his use by killing Elle later, but that is unconfirmed. We'll just have to wait for confirmation concerning shapeshifting. Pagemaster146 (talk) 23:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Writers have confirmed it's empathic mimicry: here. Ophois (talk) 02:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Respectfully, they most certainly did not say that. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, they did. "Empathy is not necessarily exclusive from evil – it’s more about understanding. And understanding James Martin was what Sylar’s journey was all about this particular episode." Ophois (talk) 04:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taking the brain vs. opening the skullcap 

message: I understand that the brains were missing, not just poked at and left but the statement "We don't know what happened to the brains other than Claire's" leads people to believe he did something else with them. Maybe we should try something along the lines of "Why most of the brains were missing is a retcon the writers never have cleared up." ... or... "The writers were left with a hole when they revealed with Claire that Sylar does not, in fact, eat the brains. They have never bothered to explain why the brains of others have gone missing." Something along those lines. This will also help the article stay out-universe. Padillah (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds fine. I just think it's important that there is still ambiguity regarding what he actually does with the brains. The scene with Claire really is a little ambiguous (almost intentionally so, I think) and can be interpreted in a couple different ways (a la the previous version of the article). That uncertainty is still an interesting part of the character. Pagemaster146 (talk) 14:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As a complete aside from the article: If you see ambiguity I can't help but feel it's borne from a desire to see the initial incarnation of the power implemented. The writers themselves have said they originally wanted him to eat the brains. But they've had to acquiesce to TVland pressures to make the character at least TV-14. As you note you can tell from the scene that the writers really didn't want to portray it this way but if you allow yourself you can see that they are pretty unambiguous about the fact that he doesn't eat the brains. Between that scene and the effort to change his method of acquisition and relegate the scull cutting to a simple MO for his killing they are doing due diligence in establishing that he does not eat the brains. That doesn't alleviate the fact that they never bothered to explain why they were missing then. If he just needs to look at them and understand why are they gone? But, we've noted that they have not addressed this discrepency and that's really the best we can do. Padillah (talk) 14:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be that Sylar just likes being thorough in his elimination of other people with abilities.  By disposing of the brain, once he's done with it, he assures himself that no one else can ever gain that person's power (kind of like robbing an armored car, then setting it on fire to burn whatever cash you can't carry).  So it could be that Sylar DOES occasionally "flush it down the toilet," as Hiro was accused of in the very first Heroes episode, at Mendez's apartment.131.216.48.250 (talk) 22:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh. Could you fellows move this over to some fan forum somewhere? This isn't the place for musing. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the brains? 

message: There is no evidence to justify saying that Sylar took Nathan's ability for flight.  I was particularly shocked by this'un because specifically, it was only the second time I'd ever see Sylar kill someone without taking their ability, the first being his Mommy, which doesn't count as [a] unintentional and [b] no power to take.  If you would like to rewatch the season finale, I think you'll find Nathan's throat was slit, not his skull.  I'll try to remove this, though I haven't diddled with a chart on wikipedia before, so I'll do so carefully.  malenkylizards 74.10.227.130 (talk) 17:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sylar doesn't have to cut his skull open to get his power. He has taken on most of Nathan's memories, so he understands Nathan enough to absorb his power, which he displays during the fight. Ophois (talk) 17:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Sylar flies right before killing Nathan. Ophois (talk) 18:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

text: You're gonna need more than that to put something like that in the article Ophois. Are you really gonna make me say the words? Padillah (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, for instance, could you convince me that it wasn't Sylar grabbing onto Nathan as he flew out the window?  I'll rewatch the scene when I'm next at a computer that can handle the video :-p malenkylizards 74.10.227.130 (talk) 18:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Please rewatch the scene. The flight sound effect is clearly used as Sylar flies onto the balcony and lands. If it was telekinesis, then that sound effect would have been used, such as when he was copying Doyle's power on Claire. Ophois (talk) 18:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Gabriel Sylar using TK (telekinesis) similar to Magneto using magnetic fields to levitate instead of flying. (JoeLoeb (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And your evidence of this is...? Ophois (talk) 21:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

text:  Just a hunch which I believe. Sylar obviously loves his telekinesis, he uses it every damn time, why no levitate (flying for you). (JoeLoeb (talk) 22:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I pointed out, the flying sound effect is used. If he was merely using TK, then the TK effect would have been used. Ophois (talk) 23:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

text: It could be a mistake. Although, Gabriel did take Elle's power though not killing her. Maybe you're right. (JoeLoeb (talk) 00:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Alone time like he had with Nathan before Claire showed up? He had already gone through all of Nathan's stuff and had a great understanding of him, so not much time is probably needed. Just because he didn't fly before their big fight doesn't mean he didn't already acquire it before that. Ophois (talk) 01:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why it is being kept off. I can understand that it can be speculation that he got it from Nathan, but the flight sound effect confirms that he can fly. I don't see how there can be any argument against that. If nothing else, it should be listed that he can fly but given Unknown as the source of the power. Ophois (talk) 01:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right concerning his ability to fly (or levitate) regardless of the power source. I've added a blurb referencing him using telekinesis to sneak up on Dale Smither via levitation. That's the best we can do for now. However, regarding sound effects used on the show, it is known has been pointed time and again that sound effects are often used for the "coolness" factor (e.g. scary voices back in S1), so the usage of a specific sound is not irrefutable proof of Flight usage. Pagemaster146 (talk) 04:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ...so I totally just added flight without seeing this whole section. Crap. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Pagemaster, what do you mean "time and again"? That happened once or twice in the first season only. I don't ever recall anything like that happening again. And there's a difference between having a sound effect when he's yelling and having the flight sound effect while the character is actually flying. The TK sound effect is used right before when Nathan is thrown into the room. If Sylar had been using TK, then that sound would have played, not the flying sound effect. Ophois (talk) 01:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There, I removed "time and again". The point still stands. (For another example of sound ambiguity, there was some debate back at the beginning of Fugitives as to whether Sylar used puppet mastery to make Luke and his mom stop talking when he was torturing Agent Simmons; the same hand movement and sounds were used, but that did not mean Sylar had obtained puppet mastery and we haven't added it to his power list).  Given that, I actually agree with you that Sylar has probably taken Flight, simply because if he doesn't demonstrate it now that he's "Nathan", he'll know something's wrong. However, there is enough evidence right now to support either side of the debate and, until an authority decides one way or the other, any decision is speculation. Pagemaster146 (talk) 02:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flight?? Don't think so 

message: Spoiler pictures have been shown of him flying. Does this count as evidence - http://mrtheodi.iimmgg.com/image/4c6cb7be542d8e32a5951b39667bfe4a - Or do we  just wait until the episode happens to update the Wiki entry? I'll be waiting with my finger poised over the "save page" button with the edit in place. :P Faijer (talk) 21:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the context of that picture? That could be Nathan, for all we know. Ophois (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Note two things. First, the date of the posting (on a site that is well-respected in the spoiler world, and only posts legitimate spoilers, or labels them as rumours if that is what they are) - http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2009/09/new-set-pics-nathan-and-peter-in-flight.html - and second, that the set they are on, in combination with the clothing they are wearing, has not been seen on an earlier episode. Deductively speaking it is reasonable to therefore conclude that either it was a cut scene, which can be confirmed presumably by DVD extras from prior seasons (although conceivably there could be cut scenes that didn't even make it onto such a reel), or is from an as-yet unaired episode. Given the date, and the context if it being in the midst of season 4 spoilers, I am willing to go with the latter. Faijer (talk) 21:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. It's someone's blog website, so hardly a reliable source for Wikipedia. 2. The person is speculating that it is Sylar. Given Hiro's current storyline, it could easily be the actual Nathan. Ophois (talk) 22:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. A blog is merely a format and should not be condemned by that virtue alone, and keep in mind that the blog in question is normally rife with interviews (and links to said interviews) and tidbits from sources on the inside. I'm sure the pictures could be obtained elsewhere if one looked hard enough, although I'm sure time will prove such things unnecessary. 2. Given other news, namely that Adrian Pasdar is leaving Heroes (http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/11/03/adrian-pasdar-next-project/), that Nathan is being axed once and for all (http://www.popcrunch.com/adrian-pasdar-leaving-heroes-series-killing-off-nathan-petrelli/), and that evil Sylar will be returning to his body, it seems unlikely that it is in fact Nathan (also, the Hiro story-line we have just seen does not seem to have retcon fever, and it seems reasonable to assume that the timeline is intact, with the exception of Charlie's survival - her power would not likely have played any real part in Sylar's downfall in season 1, and his nerfing in season 2 rules it out for consideration in the later parts of the show). Faijer (talk) 22:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Judging by how the previous episode ended, there will be jumping around through time. Seeing as how Hiro's jump this time also showed what Noah was doing at that time, next week could show a time when Nathan was still alive. Ophois (talk) 22:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flight revisited 

message: In Season 3 final episode "An Invisible Thread" it is clearly shown how Sylar manipulates Clair Bennets movements. While this could be argued to be only another facet of his TK I find it hard to believe he'd have Eric Doyle in his grasp and not take his power (Cold snap).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.51.55 (talk) 18:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only that, but there are several characters that have met Sylar and not had their powers stolen (Micah, Luke, and Sylar's dad being the most obvious examples). He doesn't kill absolutely everyone he comes across. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After the training with Elle, Sylar know how to acquire powers without killing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But Wikipedia isn't supposed to host original speculation. Listing puppetry or flight after it's confirmed in a reliable source such as an interview, a commentary track or a statement by a character on the show would be okay. Mentioning speculation by established authorities in the field (such as television critics) may be okay as long as it is described as an interpretation rather than an established fact. Mentioning speculation by fans might also be acceptable if that speculation if it's adequately sourced and described as fan speculation, as is the case for the discredited fan thories mentioned in the Lost article. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 23:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I think the episode credits should be presumed to be trustworthy. Is she listed as playing Tracy Strauss in the credits? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

text: In season 1 Sylar uses TK to control the FBI agent's hand, causing her to draw her own gun and hold it to her temple while she is otherwise frozen. This does not seem overly different.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.78.141 (talk) 15:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puppeteering