Talk:Intelligence (journal)

message: I arrived here from Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence, which discusses an editorial which appears to have been (re)published in this journal in 1997, yet this page claims that the journal was founded in 2000. I suspect there may be transfers from one publisher to another involved or similar. Does anyone know and can they edit the article(s) to remove the inconsistency? Martinp (talk) 23:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of founding? 

message: I was asked to have a look. There is fairly general  agreement here that the listing of all the members of an editorial board, no matter how distinguished, is promotional. (the only person who disagreed in the last discussion seems to have been representing a journal publisher). It is additionally wrong to use external links within the body of an article in any context at all for people who do not have Wikipedia  pages-- see WP:EL  This is not encyclopedic information--it is perfectly visible on the publisher's site, which is where it belongs. If the publisher wishes, he is certainly encouraged to link distinguished scientist's names on his site to their Wikipedia  biographies. That's a reasonable use of Wikipedia. We are here for the purpose of providing information about notable people for use wherever it is wanted. We are not here for the purpose of providing internal links to puff out an article--and a journal like this that hardly needs it. 
What it does need is:
#a list of all former editors in chief
#Clarification of just what is the first issue, and the frequency of publication.
#The current impact factor from JCR, and, if desired, number of articles published. 
#Circulation figures, which can be sourced from various places, including Ulrich's
#The major indexing services in its field that include it.
#The number of libraries having subscriptions
#references to the journal itself in other published works. 
#just possibly, a list of the two or three most famous articles that have been published in the journal. (the fame can be taken to be = most cited, in order to have a reference for the fact)
DGG (talk) 22:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Everymorning, didn't see this talk page or WP:JWG before now. I have shortened the list to people who have their own Wikipedia pages, presumably that means they are notable enough to list. Deleet (talk) 04:28, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: editorial board

message: This article could be considerably improved by discussing how this journal fits among other psychology journals that publish articles on similar topics. You may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of   Intelligence Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in those issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 14:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intelligence Citations Bibliography for Articles Related to IQ Testing 

message: The ranking is given for 2014, however surely one can get newer data. However, it's unclear which to report as e.g. SCOPUS has 2 entries for the journal here. Deleet (talk) 04:32, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update ranking (2018) 

message: This journal has published racist pseudoscience. Richard Haier, Richard Lynn, J. Philippe Rushton, Gerhard Meisenberg, Arthur R. Jensen are all involved with it as is Emil Kirkegaard (Deleet).  
The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Lynn as a racist and white supremacist  89.163.221.47 (talk) 17:37, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Racist journal

message: The article states: "It has been criticised for including on its editorial board Gerhard Meisenberg and Richard Lynn, the latter with no obvious relevant affiliations, both of whom support pseudoscientific theories of race and intelligence, along with eugenics" I attempted to edit "pseudoscientific" to "allegedly pseudoscientific" twice, for 
a) it is unclear what the word "pseudoscientific" refers to; if it refers to the question of race and intelligence, one might have strong opinions about that subject, but it is plain dishonesty to brand it unscientific. It is an ongoing debate in the scientific community with serious arguments and studies from both sides. The "Race and intelligence" wiki page makes no mention of pseudoscience and clearly describes that the ongoing debate deals not even with the existence of group differences, but whether they are environmental or heritable. Futherhmore neither the wiki article of Gerhard Meisenberg or of Richard Lynn makes any mention of pseudoscience whatsoever. Therefore the accusation of pseudoscience seems to be partisanship, or at the very least needs much more further clarification;
b) if it refers to eugenics, the wording is flawed and confusing, and should be changed to reflect just that;
c) the 3 citations given for the pseudoscientific claim are 3 articles that only refer to eugenics.
My attempt to remove what seems for me to be partianship has been reverted twice by  with the explanation "'psudosceince' is pretty much established" and " nothing 'allegedly' about it and very clear what it refers to," although both explanations fail to address my concerns. So perhaps Randykitty would like to futher elaborate on the reason of reverting the edit and provide additional citations. Merewif (talk) 13:47, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia works by policies, sources and consensus.  It seems that the material is supported by sources considered reliable and that more than one editor reverted when the pseudoscience related material was removed (neutral point of view is met via reliable sources and there is consensus that the inclusion is due to meet the policy about pseudoscience).  —PaleoNeonate – 07:55, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the accusation of pseudoscience 

message: Regarding this disputed edit. The source is clearly stating their opinion about the respectability of the journal to provide context that their criticism of Lynn should not tar the journal as a whole. What prompted them to comment on the respectability of the journal is irrelevant, what matters is the source provided an opinion of the journal and that is what we can source. To say the source is reliable for one opinion but not another opinion is a violation of WP:NPOV and could be seen to be POV pushing.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 09:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it belongs. Not everything in the journal is good or WP:Due, same as many journals, but we have to say the positive with the negative. Crossroads -talk- 04:18, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit dispute

message: I looked at the sourced article and there were no further elaborations re: in what sense the findings about intelligence differences were pseudoscientific which is definitely necessary. I'm adding this section because as far as I know papers merely describing that there are differences in measured intelligence b/w different self-identified populations/races/ethnicities, however you want to call them, are not pseudoscience, they're the current psychological consensus. The debate rather revolves around the reasons for the gap -- nature or nurture --, not its existence. This consensus is reflected in the Wikipedia article on racial differences in intelligence that clearly states
Findings about intelligence differences between races are not pseudoscientific. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:CF:1F24:6C00:90D6:B344:B565:1073 (talk) 
:The quote from Smithsonian Magazine which you sought to cut states that this journal has "occasionally included papers with pseudoscientific findings about intelligence differences between races." Nothing there contradicts the fact that different groups have historically tended to score differently on standardized tests. It just means that some of the conclusions published in this journal about these differences have been –– asccording to Smithsonian –– pseudoscientific. This is 100% in line with the strong consensus of Wikipedia editors established over at Talk:Race_and_intelligence/Archive_103#RfC_on_racial_hereditarianism. Generalrelative (talk) 23:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of the paper with: "included pseudoscience findings about intelligence differences between races"