Talk:Hayreddin Barbarossa/Archive 1

message: Move (close call). Duja 08:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It will be pretty much guaranteed that no user interested in this historically significant person, unless they are Turkish speakers or fairly sophisticated Ottoman history buffs, will find what he/she is looking for unless Wiki lists him under his most widely known name -- Barbarossa, with whatever addition after that in parentheses. Why hide him in some obscure place? Cosal 22:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
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*Support per my above reasons. —Khoikhoi 01:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
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:It will be pretty much guaranteed that no user interested in this historically significant person, unless they are Turkish speakers or fairly sophisticated Ottoman history buffs, will find what he/she is looking for unless Wiki lists him under his most widely known name -- Barbarossa, with whatever addition after that in parentheses. Why hide him in some obscure place? Cosal 22:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I'm really sorry. This is a quite good article - aye, the lead could use a little work, but otherwise, it's pretty good - but it lacks citations, and thus fails a key part of the GA requirement. I'm quite willing to help with the Citation process, at least from a procedural point, as I'm not familiar with Barbarossa himself much, but I've done a citing up before, and it's not exactly a quick process. Have a look at WP:CITE and Wikipedia:Footnotes, and... well, let's get this up to GA, and quite possibly FA once that's done. Adam Cuerden talk 16:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 22:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: This article states that Barbarossa arrives in Istanbul in 1532 and that sultan Suleyman then gives him the title of kaptan-ı derya and beylerbey of North-Africa. However, the Encyclopaedia of Islam states that Barbarossa indeed reaches Istanbul by the end of 1532, but then soon leaves for Aleppo after an invitation from the Grand Vizier Ibrahim Pasha, who bestowed on him officially the office of Kapudan Pasha, with the title Djeza'ir beglerbegi, which should be understood as "Beglerbeg of the islands", and not of Algiers.
Does this mean that Suleyman gives him this title and Ibrahim Pasha makes it official? Or is this simply something which differs in E.I. and you sources? If so, could you maybe state in a footnote that there are sources stating otherwise? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.244.113.121 (talk) 17:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences between this article and the Encyclopaedia of Islam. 

message: Shouldn't it be Barbarossa Hayreddin or Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha? Adam Cuerden talk 02:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: The first paragraph of the Legacy section reads like a piece of Turkish propaganda. How is it related to article at all?
:::I don't know, but it seems to be fine to me.  Also, remember to sign your posts with four tildes when you do.  I shouldn't have to remind anyone, nor should anyone else.Drakonis 18:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy

message: It seems that alot of this article was probably copied and pasted from Oruç's article.  Any ideas as to why?Drakonis 16:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of portions of Oruç's article

message: In the section Kaptan-ı Derya of the Ottoman Navy one can read:
"In the same year Barbarossa captured Corfu from Venice..."
This is wrong.... 
Corfu was raided and pillaged but not captured from Venice
in particular:
"in 1537 the devastating raid of the Turkish admiral Khaireddin Barbarossa took place with the consequent obliteration of the agricultural cultivations (vineyards, olive-trees) of the island and the enslavement of nearly all the population of the countryside (roughly 20.000 Corfiots were sold as slaves in Istanbul). Luckily the Old Fortress was well defended by a 4,000-strong garrison with 700 guns and when several assaults failed to carry the fortifications, the Turks reluctantly re-embarked." 
The previous excerpt is taken from www.corfu.gr/en/history.htm
which is stated as source of the Wikipedia article for Corfu
This can also be confirmed from books about the History of Corfu, for example:
Old Corfu: History and Culture (3rd edition) by Nondas Stamatopoulos 
(79.103.137.45 (talk) 08:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Correction 

message: This article has been nominated for Good Article review. Baristarim 00:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that it needs more work to tighten it up and give it a compelling story line.  There is at present, in my view, too much essentially irrelevant clutter about each small event and every single ship allegedly captured. Cosal 01:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I will try to see what I can do.. Baristarim 04:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may also want to greatly shorten the first section which mainly deals with Oruc Reis and is pretty much a verbatim repetition of what is already written on the Oruc Reis page. Cosal 14:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I will try to do it tomorrow, i really have to get some sleep :) Baristarim 22:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article review

message: His father cannot be a 'janissary sipahi' because such thing doesn't exist and never existed. I have never read or heard of such a thing like a 'janissary sipahi'. What is that supposed to be then? Everybody with some knowledge about the Ottoman military system, would know: 
*That a janissary is an infantryman and a sipahi is a cavalryman. So it is impossible to be an infantry and cavalry soldier at the same time. 
*A sipahi was given land by the sultan in new conquered areas. This was not given to janissaries. Yakup Aga, was given land for his military services. 
*Janissaries were not allowed to marry, they lived in their barracks. So if Yakup Aga was a janissary how come he gets married? 
*Janissaries and Sipahis were different types of soldiers. 
*Also it is not possible to be an janissary and then turn into a sipahi and vice-versa.
THUS he was a Sipahi and NOT a Janissary Sipahi.
And I do no invent this, all other sources call his father a Sipahi. They do not mention anything about janissary.
If you want more information read the janissary and sipahi article.
I want to congratulate the person who found the source for 'janissary sipahi', because for finding such a weird source
DragonTiger23 (talk) 12:08, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A 'jannisary sipahis' doesn't exist 

message: Not to be nitpicking, but as I know it, and I have no idea how to verify this, Barbaros did not have a red beard.  It was his brother Oruc who was red bearded.  After this famed corsair was finally cornered and killed, and his head paraded all over Spain, his brother, young Barbaros, vowed revenge.  He dyed his beard red with henna in Oruc's memory and then proceeded to to make Mediteranean a Turkish lake.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.20.158 (talk) 18:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nickname is a remnant from his father whom had actually red beard--Cerian (talk) 18:23, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Beard 

message: I'm not sure, he is a pirate. His men might be involved in piracy but Barbossa is the commander of Ottoman navy. He is also an administrator and divan (supreme council) member. --Kafkasmurat (talk) 10:16, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A number of governors in the english and french colonies were also involved in piracy in the Antilles (often for the sake of their country). A corsair and a pirate aren't that removed and often it amounts to foreign perception.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.76.172 (talk) 07:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, similar function in modern military such as Nazi Kriegsmarine was operated in similar way, captain Hans Langsdorff as example, should we rate him as privateer pirate too due to his activity as German Navy pirate?Ahendra (talk) 21:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
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