Talk:Shina language

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=mZzD86umtbAC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Shina is written with arabic script
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q3tAqIU0dPsC&pg=PA134#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 16:07, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Grammar of the Shina Language of Indus Kohistan  By Ruth Laila Schmidt, Razval Kohistānī  

message: * This discussion is simply running in a loop, and leading to nothing new. Capitals00, I have yet to see you provide reliable sources to support your position. The ones you cited have been deemed insufficient. Parroting the same WP:OR back and forth and claiming (non-existent) WP:CONSENSUS will not cut it unfortunately. I suggest you please go through what Willard84, Kautilya3, Anupam and Uanfala have suggested above. At the moment, you have not addressed any of those concerns. Failing this, we can opt for a third option mechanism. Pinging .  Btw, Nastaliq remains the primary script used in Gilgit and surrounding areas. There are exceptions like Balti which until very recently used Tibetan characters. Mar4d (talk) 08:26, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure about Willard84 but no one else wants to remove Devanagari' mention. That's how I have already gone through what they have suggested. In place of canvassing more editors you can instead open a WP:RFC or just move on. Capitals00 (talk) 10:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Mar4d, Funny you should mention Balti, since he's doing the same thing at Talk:Balti languageWillard84 (talk) 08:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

text:   Thanks for your clarification and input. The article can certainly discuss this linguistic research, and the proposals with respect to Shina's writing system. To claim that this script is actually in use however is factually misleading and incorrect, as you implied, and with which I concur. I guess we are agreed upon and fairly clear with that. Mar4d (talk) 12:31, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  For now I have removed the Devanagari's mention from lead and infobox, "unless reliable sources are found". Although I believe that we should really give some importance to this source that I had provided. Sorry if you have read this already, but I would still note that it says "until recently, not written. Recently, a few writing systems have been proposed, but there is as yet no sign of a single system acceptable to all Shina speakers.", so maybe on infobox we can say "Perso-Arabic script and others" and/or just summarize this on lead? Capitals00 (talk) 12:45, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesn't address the fact that only one system has been used even sparingly by the Shina - Perso Arabic. The "others" (likely code for "Devanagari") are just a proposal. Please re-read where he rightly noted that unless evidence is found that these other proposals are significantly used, they shouldn't be included.Willard84 (talk) 04:40, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

text: I've slightly expanded the relevant section in the article and with the current state of affairs this source just reiterates what we already have based on slightly more in-depth texts. Still, it's useful as a summary and I wouldn't object if you add it in some way. As for having the infobox say "Perso-Arabic script and others", this will work for example for Balti language, but here it will be misleading: the use of "others" implies two or more scripts, while so far we've seen just a single alternative – Devanagari. Probably worth noting that the "writing systems" in the quote above most likely refers to different orthographies, which do not necessarily entail different scripts. As for summarising it all in the lede – why not?, although the text in the article is already pretty condensed and condensing it even more while maintaining balance might be a bit tricky. – Uanfala 13:23, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

text: Thank you guys so much for your time and for putting an end to the nonsensical arguments being made to include Devanagari. I hate to request this, but please take at look at Talk:Balti language, because Capitals00 is using the same logic again over there, by pointing to unreliable sources, ancient scripts, and a phonetic reader which just used devanagari again as a proposal. There is no evidence that Balti use Devanagari as well from what I can tell.  Willard84 (talk) 02:36, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

text: I agree with this comment of yours as well as the above one. I have added my suggested sentences on lead now. Capitals00 (talk) 11:27, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbitrary section break 

message: Does the cited reference ethnologue actually support the use of the nasta'liq style script? (stated in the infobox under "writing system") i can't afford ethnologue's "only" $480 per year subscription fee to check it. Irtapil (talk) 11:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have access to the paywalled new edition of Ethnologue, but last year's edition says the following for Shina [scl]:  "Arabic script, Naskh variant [Arab]. Arabic script, Nastaliq variant [Aran]", while listing only Nastaliq for Kohistani Shina [plk]. Ethnologue is not necessarily a reliable source. – Uanfala (talk) 11:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nast3lyq