Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Esports

message: Please see the discussion here. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Workshopping an esports section for Notability (sports) 

message: Please feel free to leave comments at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate tournaments/archive1.
Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of major Super Smash Bros. Ultimate tournaments]] has been nominated at Featured Lists candidates 

message: I was wondering if the creator(s) of the OWL and CDL roster templates could make a similar one for League of Legends teams or help univeralise the existing ones. I think they are very good templates, but I am unable to duplicate the scripting or construction of the templates myself. I could use either existing template for League of Legends teams, but I am not sure if that is appropriate. CentreLeftRight ✉ 08:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed: Creating a roster template for ''League of Legends'' teams 

message: So, the WESG article needed to be updated. When I looked at the article, I saw that WESG 2018, a tournament that happened 1,5 years ago, was indeed not in the article. I did what I could, but I only follow the esport scene of CSGO. Can someone that follows the esport scene of Dota 2, Starcraft 2 or/and Hearthstone write some kind of summary of the tournament like I did for the csgo one? Thanks. ~Styyx Hi! ^-^ 18:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  WESG 

message: Hello, I was exploring wikipedia/video games and i was surprised to find that there are none india related esport articles, for eg. esport teams/organisations in india while as india has a very huge esport industry and worth being on wikipedia, like indian teams/organisations who have played major and notable tournaments, while as other countries which are less notable have these articles present on wikipedia, also since my first article’s subject was related to esports i have had done some research so i would like to contribute, looking for someone who can guide me with the writing style. Thanks. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 08:02, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have Created First Indian Esport Organisation article Stalwart Esports, would love to hear feedbacks and guidance on this, all suggestions are heartly welcomed. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 16:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I tried to research an indian esports topic a few months ago and as you might guess, the issue I kept running into was sourcing. Indian esports are undercovered on the standard reliable esports news sites, and as you're seeing with the discussion on your talk page about Stalwart Esports, some of the sources you used are not considered reliable by our standards. However, I think that article is well written and I actually would not have moved it to draft space. There are a couple more sources you can add to prove notability, but I think you made a great start. Alyo (chat·edits) 18:51, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ,thanks for the appreciation. i have added the links as well, it is extremely difficult to prove notability for the same. if possible could you tag few administrators who have knowledge of esports so that they can have a look at it. i only know  and i don't know whether if he would be interested in checking it or not. if you know people who have interest in esports kindly tag them so that they can have a look, i tried my level best to curate the article. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 18:58, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry about tagging administrators--you don't need an admin here to accept it. Another independent reviewer will come along and look at the article. Like I said, I was able to find a couple more sources, but  had valid concerns about the article because I do not think that sportskeeda, afkgaming, thetimesofesports, thebridge.in or insidesport would be considered reliable. In fact, if you cannot find better sources for the Controversies content, you may want to entirely remove that section. The less you rely on those unreliable sources, the better. And I think the best claim to notability for the article is about the collaboration with FreeStyle. Alyo (chat·edits) 19:08, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , trust me,sportskeeda, afkgaming, thetimesofesports are the major agencies for esport coverage in india, check their website's you'll get to know, also if possible could you help me remove the sections that you feel are unreliable. would appreciate that, thanks. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 19:26, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  the difference is that news sources must be objectively reliable by WP's standards, not subjectively reliable based on other sources in that area, like other esports organizations in India. So while AFK gaming might be one of the best esports sites in India, that still may not mean it passes our standards. If you would like more opinions, you can post those websites on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources and see what people say? As I said above, I think Stalwart will be notable enough anyway because of the Freestyle collaboration, you just may not be able to use these sources to demonstrate notability. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:45, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Indian Esport Article’s 

message: I must apologize if this is not how this is supposed to be dealt with. After the draft European Speedrunner Assembly was tagged with "Expert needed" I expected it to possibly take a while for a full review and a potential inclusion in the main content of Wikipedia. However, the template "Expert needed" later was tagged to be up for debate whether or not it should be deleted. I looked through the arguments and based on my understanding the template does not notify any parties to help review the article. I therefore came here, as the template mentions one should reach out to the WikiProject.
Can WikiProject Video games help to review the article? The article is originally researched by me, and after published as a draft it has been changed and improved by me and another user. I don't intend to rush the review, I am simply making sure it doesn't fall into the shadows because of the template. Forscha (talk) 03:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft:European Speedrunner Assembly waiting for expert review 

message: Hello , , Hope you're safe and doing good. I wanted to ask can we create a group of people to work on the esport article's. I was shocked to see Major esport org's like Cloud 9 And Fnatic to have maintainence tags on their article's. I think we should create a group of people who are interested in esports and update all these article's. what do you think Hums4r (Let's Talk) 11:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Note for others coming across this discussion, I'd be happy to work in any sort of task force on this topic but Hums4r has been banned for suckpuppetry. Alyo (chat·edits) 19:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy to work in a task force this topic, already started with some minor edits in terms of certain team rosters, would be happy to work on LCS/LEC/LCO team pages and the like. Halofreak1171 (Talk | Edits) 14:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Esport Article's 

message: I'm currently working on cleaning (these extremely messy, unsourced, and unreliably sourced) esports team articles in the following ways:
*For large, multi-game teams, adding "Current divisions" and "Former divisions" headers and categorizing appropriately. 
*Removing the long lists of "Rosters" per WP:NOTDIR and adding rosters only under the dedicated section with , ,  if there is a dedicated section for that team.
*Removing "Former players" and "Notable players" for the same reason above. If the former/notable players are actually notable, they should be written in prose format under the appropriate section.
*Removing "Organization" lists per WP:NOTDIR.
*Removing "Notable tournament results" unless it includes reliable sources and the results are actually noteworthy. Generally, these sections are just a giant list of every tournament the team has played in regardless of how they finished or if the tournament is even notable.
*Adding  when appropriate.
I've already made major changes to Cloud9, Counter Logic Gaming, Rogue (esports), Team SoloMid, Dignitas (esports), and Fnatic. I'm writing here to see if anyone opposes the changes I am making or if anyone is willing to help out with these changes on other articles. Pbrks (talk) 16:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, if you can explain it bit properly, i am interested to help with esports but i could not get your question . Thanks.Abhayesports (talk) 05:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I haven't touched any organization articles yet so I hadn't seen many of these issues, but yeah, upon your pointing them out I'm generally with you. , which part are you asking to be explained? Alyo (chat·edits) 15:10, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

text:  I'm sorry, but I'm not sure how to explain it differently -- above are the changes that I am making to many esports team articles. Aside from what I've mentioned here, by far, the thing needed most in esports articles here is prose. Far too often, esports team articles are just lists of players and tournament results. An example of what I consider to be a very good esports article is PSG Esports (although I think is relies on too many primary sources) -- it has sections for each division, prose summarizing each divisions history, and no unnecessary lists. Pbrks (talk) 17:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   and  understood, yes I’m willing to help just suggest some mobile gaming focused Esport org’s. I’d like to work over them since i have more knowledge of mobile esports rather then pc esports. Pubgm/ codm/ freefire related would be best.Abhayesports (talk) 20:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Two mobile-focus organizations that come to mind immediately are Bren Esports and Stalwart Esports. There are many esports teams that have a PUBG Mobile division that could use expansion, such at Faze Clan, Cloud9, Team SoloMid, and Fnatic. You can also check out :Category:Esports teams by game if there are any teams that play games that you are most familiar with. Pbrks (talk) 00:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

text: , I'm glad to see somebody else taking initiative with these esports articles. I've been basically doing the same type of edits on Dota-related esport pages for years. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 09:38, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up esports team articles 

message: Hey Gamers,
If anyone would like to add information to this Draft on Guild Esports, it would be really helpful because i'm planning to create this article. It is a Public Company as well so should meet WP:NORG as well.
This meets the WP GNG and WP:ESPORTS as it has really good sources available. 
Forbes
Esports Insider
Esports Talk
The Public Listing Warm Regards    Abhayesports (talk) 13:30, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guild Esports Article on wikipedia. 

message: Hello, There are many article's that have maintainence tag's mostly Fan POV on them since so long, And no one seems to work on removing the FANPOV part.
Posting this here so that it comes into notice of fellow esport enthusiasts and so that we can work on perfecting these article's because it all these tag's are just lying there if no one ever looks into it and i've noticed that wikipedia doesn't have enough esport editors so i don't think the other mainstream editors would be interested in working on esports. thanks 
Some major esport org related article's which require attention:-
Cloud9
Natus_Vincere
Team_Liquid
Complexity_Gaming
Asterisk_(esports)
Abhayesports 20:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup of Esport article's. 

message: Hi, I would like to propose the addition of Total earning's earned by any esport organisation. 
I believe the number's are pretty big for every organisation and would serve a purpose just like we add net worth in BLP.
Warm Regards---Abhay EsportsTalk To Me 18:07, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There does exists the parameter | earnings = There does not currently exist a parameter for this in ; that is something that would have to be brought up on that template's talk page. In any event, unless there is a reliable source for this information, it cannot be added. Specifically, https://www.esportsearnings.com/, the most commonly used source I see for this information, is not, in my opinion, a reliable source. Others can (and should) weigh in on this. Pbrks (talk) 18:51, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it has already been determined that it is not a reliable source at WP:VG/RS. See here and here. Pbrks (talk) 19:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I’d propose Liquipedia as source for it, because liquipedia calculates the earnings as per the position in the tournament. Have a look at Liquipedia.Warm Regards---Abhay EsportsTalk To Me 15:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Liquipedia is also not a reliable source -- it's essentially another wiki. Pbrks (talk) 15:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , but it can help with the earnings part i guess? As per Otherstuffexists? Also it is 100% correct, it’s not like an editor can change the values there. Hope you understand.. Warm Regards---Abhay EsportsTalk To Me 17:29, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure how WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS applies here. In any event, it's still user-generated content; see WP:UGC. Pbrks (talk) 17:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am a member of Wikiproject India and agree with  and if you just want to put 'Total Gaming esports' team just because of its notability, then sorry to say that it doesn't meet the requirements to be included in a encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a marketing journal. Hence your propal is rejected for now. Iamrajdeepdas (talk) 09:07, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing Addition of Total Earning's in the infobox of esport organisation article's. 

message: There is a discussion at Template talk:Infobox video game player regarding adding team colors for esports player articles, similar to other sports player articles. Opinions are welcome. Pbrks (talk) 01:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors for infobox video game player 

message: Hello there, I would like to discuss that can I create pages related to some popular esports teams in India. According to Wikipedia Policy on Reliable Sources, there are sufficient reliable sources are present that can be used as citations for creating those articles. Any feedback or suggestions will be appreciated. Iamrajdeepdas (talk) 06:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Be sure the topics satisfy the general notability guidelines. I find that, generally, using purely esports websites to demonstrate notability is not sufficient. — Pbrks (talk) 06:24, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

text: AFK Gaming is currently being discussed at WT:VG/S, where it is leaning unreliable. IceWelder [✉] 06:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Esports Team 

message: I frequently see edits like this on CS:GO articles ( this just happens to be a recent example--I don't mean to specifically call you out) and I'd just like to clarify consensus on this issue. To briefly summarize the relevant policy on this, MOS:FLAG as a whole is fairly restrictive about use of flags in articles. MOS:INFOBOXFLAG even more specifically says to avoid flags in infoboxes unless it's  MOS:SPORTFLAG says that  In the esports I follow it's fairly common to colloquially refer to teams by the country of player origin ("The Danish team Astralis..."), which is essentially the entirety of the pro-flag argument. On the other hand, those policies are explicitly about individuals, not teams, and the teams in question do not actually represent any country. In the case of flags for individuals, like HLTV#HLTV Top 20 players, those players are similarly not representing their country. And of course every policy reason that has led editors to create MOS:FLAGS applies in spades to esports. Are there any arguments I'm missing? I think this is fairly straightfoward, but since fans are going to want to constantly add these back I just want to have a discussion I can link to. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries :^)! I personally think adding flags allows for the infomation as to what these teams are be conveyed to non-esports fans better. I had the issue though of whether the flag should represent the teams home-nation, or the "majority" of the team. Na'Vi are the best example, where 3/5 are Russian, but the team is very often spoken of as a Ukrainian organization (they are based in Kiev). My personal opinion oif pro using flags for teams and players as it adds more infomation for non-fans without clutter.JaacTreee (chat·edits) 22:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue that you describe re:na'vi is a perfect example of why Wikipedia generally disallows flags in articles like these--it leads to editors having to make judgment calls about what flag "best" represents a team, which we're really not in a position to do (and causes lots of edit wars with new editors/fans). Since these teams don't actually represent their country, I think Pbrks is right about what WP policy requires and we should only have flags in situations where teams are actually "Team Denmark" or "Team Brazil", like the old world championships. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking for consensus about use of flags in esports articles 

message: I bring up this discussion after it was recommended at WP:AN/EW.
There are several player articles that use the  template series. The  already has the "Career highlights and awards" field, so there are very few reasons to use the Medal templates. The use of the Medals template tends to get overfilled with every first-, second-, or third-place finish that a player gets in a bunch of esports tournaments (that is, we dont need articles looking like this, which is by far not the worst I've seen). 
I have two proposals, with a third being the "do nothing" option: 
#The medal templates should only be used when a player has represented their country in a continental multi-sport event recognized IOC medal event (e.g. Asian Games, Southeast Asian Games). This is consistent with how these templates are used with other sports players (e.g., Michael Jordan, Xander Schauffele, Matheus Cunha).
#The medal templates should not be used at all, and all accomplishments that are very notable should be under the "highlights" field of the infobox.
#Medal templates are fine as is in conjunction with the highlights parameter (e.g., how it currently is at Faker (gamer) and PartinG (gamer)).
– Pbrks (t • c) 17:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of Medal templates in player articles 

message: Hello there. I'm new at Wikipedia and need ur help. I made draft, which is article from russian language Wikipedia, about Ivan Danishevsky. It was declined, because draft looks like advertisement. Thats why im here. Give me some advice how to make article on English Wikipedia from draft.
Link on draft below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ivan_Danishevsky  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Швец Виталий (talk • contribs) 15:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi  I've done a quick copyedit of the draft to remove some of the advertisement-type language. However, I think the other problem that you will have is that much of the draft is really about Esports Ukraine, not Danishevsky. Just because UESF is notable does not mean that Danishevsky is notable, and unless the references in that section talk about Danishevsky specifically I think reviewers will still decline the article. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Not to mention, much of the draft is unsourced, e.g. the entire “early life and education” section. – Pbrks (t • c) 16:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New draft for esports  

message: Hi all! I need a second opinion for Space Soldiers (esports), specifically the "Controversies" section. When I created this two years ago it seemed a good idea to add that stuff in (because I was stupid) and I haven't touched that section ever since, which is also the reason why the writing sucks a bit there. Now, are the first two incidents—ESL ban and Spitting incident—really relevant? I'm not sure. If those two get removed, then I can move the final one into the history section and reword it a bit, but do I need to remove it? Or also add a small mention in the history section? Or keep the sections as they are but do some copyediting? Thanks. ~StyyxTalk? 13:05, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "Controversies" sections are generally discouraged. If the information is relevant, it really should be incorporated in the history section. However, the first two sections are very poorly sourced: HLTV is not considered a reliable source (WP:VGRS), Twitter is user-generated content, and DBLTAP, while not discussed at VGRS, is likely not a reliable source either. Unless you can find better sourcing for that information, it should just be removed. The final section is referenced to Playerbros (IMO not reliable), HLTV, and a couple of foreign sources that I cannot determine the reliability of (they aren't used on any en.wiki articles as far as I can tell). It would be great if you could find better sourcing for that information also, and it should be moved to the history section. – Pbrks (t • c) 15:12, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Space Soldiers 

message: One issue I see on a lot of team pages is a ton of empty sections only with rosters. I went ahead and made the template . I figure it could be used on team pages that field many, many teams in different games. For example, see FaZe Clan before and after. Let me know what you all think. – Pbrks (t • c) 03:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this looks really good. It's a lot more compact and generally feels nicer. I've never been fond of such 'empty sections' either, so I think this would be a big improvement. It looks easy to edit as well! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rosters 

message: Would some members of this WIkiProject could take a look at :Talk:British Esports#Requested move 14 September 2022? Since no one responded to the :WP:RM, the requester essentially :WP:BOLDly moved the page. BOLD page moves are fine per se per :WP:RMNOT, but it might be a good idea to have some one else look at this or even perhaps close the RM per :WP:RMCLOSE#Who can close requested moves. FWIW, the source provided as well as the organization's official website do seem to support the name change; so, maybe nothing further needs to be done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Esports 

message: For anyone interested, SI recently created a dedicated esports coverage website Esports Illustrated. Haven't gotten around to looking at it, but I'm sure there's some great coverage in there. – Pbrks (t • c) 05:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports Illustrated esports coverage 

message: Hey there,
I'm a 21 year-old pro VALORANT player currently living in Egypt, playing for Team RA'AD (By Telecom Egypt) https://raad.gg/ Played International Tournaments, Local Tournaments and you can find the full list of tournaments I participated in in the links below
Here's my achievements on Liquipedia.net https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Phaze
Also, this esportscharts website https://escharts.com/players/phaze
VLR.gg: https://www.vlr.gg/player/10458/phaze
Verified News articles about us competing in International Esports Tournaments hosted by Red Bull & Riot Games themselves (Owners of VALORANT & League of Legends)
YallaKora: https://www.yallakora.com/news/434412/-%D8%A5%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%84-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%82-%D8%B1%D8%B9%D8%AF-%D9%8A%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%AC-%D8%A8%D8%A8%D8%B7%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%B1%D8%AF-%D8%A8-%D9%84-%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%B3-%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B4-%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%AA%D8%A3%D9%87%D9%84-%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B7%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85-%D9%84%D9%81%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AA
Youm7: https://www.youm7.com/Tags/Index?id=2194684&tag=%d9%81%d8%b1%d9%8a%d9%82-%d8%b1%d8%b9%d8%af
TheSpike: https://www.thespike.gg/player/phaze/26464
Also, if you need more sources or you could help me ask for ones, please let me know. Jeaysen (talk) 05:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making a profile for me as a pro VALORANT player 

message: This deletion discussion is likely of interest to people following this project specifically. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:41, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion on [[List of Counter-Strike maps|Counter-Strike maps]] 

message: Can you create a page for PUBG Global Championship. like this https://liquipedia.net/pubg/PUBG_Global_Championship  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2400:56A0:8A3:43A:EF58:2328:DBC9:197A (talk) 10:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: PUBG Global Championship

message: Where are we at on coming up with a notability guideline for players? I saw some talks about editing the notability guideline for sports, but maybe esports should have its own. Unlike traditional sports we will need a pretty rigorous way of determining if the game itself is notable, and we have a lot of players who are also casters or otherwise personalities and it might be hard to figure out where to draw the line on someone who has a decent regional career and then becomes a fairly well known caster and a pretty good youtube analyst. People who are extremely well known but never being at the top of any of these things individually. For StarCraft 2 examples, people like Harstem or Incontrol would be difficult to decide on if we're going by traditional sports guidelines. Good players, but not world champions. Good casters, but not GSL casters with 14 year careers. Good analysts and youtubers, but not as popular as the giants. This is the kind of problem traditional sports doesn't need to have as rigorous of an answer to.
Point is, I think we have some things to figure out that are unique to esports and maybe instead of trying to work our way into the traditional sports guidelines it would be better to branch off into our own system for what counts as a notable game, and which players/personalities of those games are notable. I'm willing to start gnawing on this problem but I am new here and I want to know if there's already a consensus on this idea. Cyrusabyrd (talk) 11:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability Guideline? 

message: Merger discussion here. A proposed merger of Pata (esports) and Porin Ässät. –   Poriman55     - Meddela mig! 19:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger discussion