Talk:Chris Benoit/Archive 1

message: "Chris Benoit is the only person to win a Iron Man Match for the World Heavyweight Championship Belt. "
Can anyone tell what were talking about here? I don't remember him ever being in an ironman match and he didn't win his Heavyweight championship in an ironman match.
:RAW, July 26, 2004.  Benoit defended the World Title successfully against Triple H in a sixty-minute Iron Man match, winning 4 falls to 3.  This has so far been the only Iron Man match involving the World Heavyweight Championship (though there have been a few non-title and a few WWF/E Championship matches that were Iron Man matches), so therefore the statement's true.
:And the sentence doesn't necessarily follow that Benoit won the title in the Iron Man match, just that he won an Iron Man match that was for the title.  However, I can see why that sentence might be confusing, so I'll add a little bit at the end of it.  ekedolphin 05:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearing something up 

message: WWE considers Benoit to simply be a "4-time United States champion," making no distinction between when he won it as a WCW sanctioned title and as a WWE sanctioned title. Should the succession table reflect this? Tromboneguy0186 22:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US title in succession table 

message: I don't think anyone's officially named Benoit's Rolling German Suplexes.  They're referred to as the Trifecta, but I don't think that's necessarily the term.
I've always heard and called it a Triple German Suplex(es?). Probably doesnt mean anything though.
:I've heard it called by all of those names, depending on the announcer. As long as it's clear what move it is (three linked standard german suplexes, not the vertical kind) I think it's clear enough. Also, please sign your comments on talk pages. --SevereTireDamage 07:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rolling Germans Name 

message: Technically, Benoit DID hold the WCW World Title after Souled Out 2000, but he forfeited the title upon leaving WCW. Duo02  *Shout here!** 01:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WCW World Title info 

message: This isn't really article stuff, but has anyone noticed that since he ran with the Horsemen Benoit has had the number 4 on his tights in some way? Or am I crazy? Bdve 19:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least during his WWE run, it was because of one of his catch phrases, "4 Real". --SevereTireDamage 07:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I remember Benoit having a 4-looking design on his tights in WCW, him and Dean Malenko.  I think it may have something to do with them being part of the 4 Horsemen.  It may also have something to do with the 4 design Brian Pillman was using in ECW.  It is shown in the Brain Pillman:  Loose Cannon DVD.  Dreamer61898 08:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 

message: Is benoit actually injured? If so they should fire Mark Henry, as he has legit injured two prominent members of the roster.69.9.31.132 17:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Injury legit?

message: Why does it not say that he is billed from Edmonton?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Killswitch Engage (talk • contribs) 
:Because when he wrestles he is billed from Atlanta, Georgia. It's been a few years since they billed him from Edmonton. TJ Spyke 22:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Billed From

message: Isn't this no longer true? I thought Cena made HHH tap with the STFU?69.9.29.132 17:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Last WM Main Event to end in submission

message: Is it at all possible to give an overall summary of Benoit like many other articles about wrestlers?
What do you mean? That is what an article is. What do you think needs to be added? -- The Hybrid 15:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary?

message: I never saw Chris Benoit used the Dragon Suplex as his finisher
He used it in the real ECW and WCW. -- THL 16:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris Benoit Finishers 

message: Chris Benoit is of French-Canadian descents, but he doesn't speak french. Thus he doesn't apply to either the French-Canadian or the French-Quebecer category.
:Just because he doesn't speak french doesn't mean french-canadian and french-quebec isn't in his heritage. --  Mikedk9109  (hit me up)  21:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancestors 

message: I hit the wrong button and accidentally gave you a vandal warning.  Sorry!
Jerry lavoie 01:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorry

message: Each time Benoit does his diving headbutt, JBL calls t air Benoit. Shouldn't that be put as  the name of this move? 205.151.6.33 17:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh...no. The move isn't referred to as Air Benoit, it's a diving headbutt. He's just going about how Benoit is going to fly, or the opponent is going to get "sent to hell, courtesy of Air Benoit" or something like that. Anakinjmt 19:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Benoit?? 

message: I thought when Benoit WON the United States championship from Orlando Jordan was in 25.5 seconds.
That was the second match, or maybe the third. The first was 23 something. Peace, -- The Hybrid 01:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Records Area

message: "He holds the record for most consecutive minutes all time in the Royal Rumble before being eliminated, lasting a total of 1:49:00 starting when he entered #1 in the 2004 Rumble and ending when he was eliminated in the Royal Rumble 2005 after being one of the two men to start it."
This is crap trivia. Lasting a certain length of time without elimination in two matches that take place a year apart is something that no one cares about and is ample evidence that trivia sections on Wikipedia are getting ridiculous. --137.81.113.27 22:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Royal Rumble

message: I removed some content from the In Wrestling section that was unencylcopedic and not cited. Stuff like saying somebody blows their nose on a person they don't like or mentions of sloat slashing is not exactly encyclopedic unless it is cited. And no other wrestler has a "Wrestling Styles" section in their profile. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlexaHughes (talk • contribs) 15:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Content

message: I figured I might as well address this because I don't want to get an edit war started. Chris Benoit never won the WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship because the WWF stopped using the title in 1985 with The Cobra winning the title for the last time on July 28, 1985. New Japan Pro Wrestling would go on to create the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship with Shiro Koshinaka winning the title in a tournament approximately 11 months after the WWF retired their title. On August 19, 1990 Benoit would win the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship going under the name of the Pegasus Kid. The WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship has no connection to the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. They don't share the same lineage. If you don't want to take my word for it, check the whole thing out on wrestling-titles.com. Or, just look at the Wikipedia articles. Each title has it's own seperate article.Odin's Beard 02:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Benoit held the WWF Light Heavyweight Title, not the junior title.  It was created by the WWF for the UWA and stayed there after the promotions stopped working together. --David Bixenspan 15:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Junior Heavyweight Championship

message: Do you think we should add a legacy section to his article. I mean he is considered by many to be one of the greatest of all time and he is probably the best technical of all time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.185.117 (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy 

message: Which image is more sufficient? The suplex or the sharpshooter? You VOTE:
Zenlax 05:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Suplex. The Sharpshooter is too blury, especially if it gets cropped. That being said, it might do well in Sharpshooter (professional wrestling). -- Oakster  Talk   12:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VOTE: Suplex vs Sharpshooter 

message: Sorry, I can't pass this as a good article - mainly because there is too much information and is badly written. The section about his early career has no structure - it looks like random facts were just strung together, with no regard to proper paragraphs.
The intro needs to have more information - it should provide a quick summing-up of the article, for someone who just wants to glance through for information.
The body of the article doesn't need ot include every title bout he has had, I don't think - major feuds and non-kayfabe information is much more beneficial.
Sorry, I'm failing this.--Macca7174 06:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fail GA 

message: I removed that title from the championships and accomplishments section because it's not a recognized reign. While Benoit is listed at winning this championship on www.wrestling-titles.com, it's irrelevant. Under the championship history of this particular title on WWE.com, none of the champions that won this title are listed in the official history prior to Taka Michinoku winning it in 1997. Therefore, the WWE doesn't recognize any of the championship reigns before this time period.Odin's Beard 01:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a WWF title, they just forgot that it existed.  WWE constantly flip-flops on things like recognizing Antonio Inoki as a former WWF champion so their view shouldn't necessarily be considered.  The NWA didn't officially recognize various title reigns (the New Zealand/Singpore and Carribean switches) that did actually happen.  It should be included with a notation. --David Bixenspan 15:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't a WWF Title, it was the WWWF (note the three W's) Light Heavyweight Championship, which was an IWGP Championship at the time he won it (by winning the 1994 Super J Cup Tournament). IWGP recognizes this reign, and I am putting it back into the article. Bmg916Speak 15:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He didn't win it in the J-Cup, he won it on 3/3/91 in Naucalpan, DF, Mexico according to all title histories I could find.  Also, the title was launched in 1981, so it was always a WWF title, as the WWWF to WWF name change was in 1979.  --David Bixenspan 15:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We (including myself) are confusing the WWF Light Heavyweight championship in this case, for the WWWF Junior Heavyweight championship, which he won at the J Cup. I have corrected this in the article (Under IWGP). Bmg916Speak 15:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Source?  It's not in any title histories on Wikipedia or elsewhere.  --David Bixenspan 15:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  1994 Super J Cup Results Wikipedia page, has it, but you are right David, he won the WWF Light Heavyweight Title in 91, and according to the history of the WWWF/NJPW/IWGP (it gets somewhat confusing I guess), he won that Junior Heavyweight Championship in 1990, not 1994. It appears we are all wrong in some form, but the right thing to do here would be to remove it (and correct the 1994 Super J Cup Page?), I apologize. Bmg916Speak 16:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WWF World Light Heavyweight Championship

message: Is it a forearm knockdown or a high elbow knockdown that Benoit does every week? I've heard Michael Cole say forearm and Tazz say elbow.
"However, Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due having his pubic hair get caught in the jet in his pool." are you sure this is not a joke? 202.148.19.14 16:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Elbow/ Forearm?

message: Tuesday's Atlanta Journal Constitution newspaper online article states that police believe Benoit killed his wife and son on Sunday and then himself on Monday.  Here is the link   Frog47 07:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benoit murderer? 

message: According to WWE.com. Expect a barrage on the page.--ProtoWolf 22:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope its just a storyline angle just like this Vince one Jcdizon 22:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: That's not unusual. It took many major news outlets a few hours to pick up on the death of Eddie. -- Scorpion0422 22:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It may take them even longer this time because of the stupid "Vince is presumed dead" angle, g-d I hope they drop that shit now... Bmg916Speak 22:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It might not hurt to jump the gun and request semi protection now before the barrage hits. On a side note, did anyone else notice that they removed all of the Vince's death stuff from the WWE.com main page? -- Scorpion0422 22:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until confirmed by Atlanta news outlets, we should protect it and change the page back to its unedited state. MichaelBlankley 22:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any feasible way they can continue with this angle in the wake of Martel and now this tragedy. Chris Benoit was easily one of the most respected wrestlers in the history of pro wrestling, period. To continue that angle in the wake of this would be a new level of disgusting. It will be interesting to see if Vince comes out tonight on RAW. Mattbwn 22:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Please, I don't think WWE would make false death reports. Vince is a storyline, this isn't. Your "call" to Atlanta police doesn't satisfy reports all over the internet claiming this. — Moe ε 22:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Plus, Vince Mcmahon opened the RAW by breaking kayfabe and speaking of Benoit's death, so the angle has obviously been dropped. R.I.P. Chris.   (Sawyer 00:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Wow you all are quick on this story.  Here is a link that is tells what is going on so far;  Sorry to say it's not a story line.  The officials are handling it as a homicide though apparently Benoit sent a bunch of weird email according to the news this morning.  --CrohnieGalTalk 11:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benoit and Family Found Dead 

message: So we know it's real now. Not an angle.
I just read the TNA piece - it hits you even more when the opposition are reporting the news. Steveweiser 22:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the time being, we have to go by what the sources are saying, even if it is a work (which I doubt it is). -- Scorpion0422 22:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The funny things is thinking people would take an unsigned comment about a phone call to the Atlanta police as credible over official documentation on both WWE.com and its direct competition. Mattbwn 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think based on the number of edits in the past few hours a semi-protect is at least in order. Mattbwn 23:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If this were only a storyline, TNA would not have said a word about it, and yet it is on their page.  It is, most unfortunately, legit.  I'm sure Atlanta news will acknowledge something if it is found to be a suspicious death.  And yes, I agree on the semi-protect.  People will be editing this page like mad.trivialbass619  23:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you think this should have a semi-protect if vandalism occurs today? --Mikecraig 23:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now, we're best off patrolling it constantly for vandalism and reverting it when it happens.  Semi-protection might be needed soon, however.  Rdfox 76 23:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Sign your posts - When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes  ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button  located above the edit window.  This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. --Mikecraig 23:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Even TNA are reporting it now. There's no way it can be fake. 

message: Time to settle down a bit. Taking a few extra minutes or more to confirm information AND to reliably source it (no, PWTorch, 1wrestling.com are not reliable sources) will not kill the article. Please do not continue to edit war on the page, we don't want to full protect it, but we will if we have to. SirFozzie 23:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree --Mikecraig 23:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ok Folks

message: "To those emailing us with the note from Wikipedia.com claiming the Benoit-family death situation is a WWE television angle - we can confirm that rumor is completely false. There is nothing scripted about the very tragic circumstances that unfolded today."  -- Scorpion0422 23:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: We've been reported on

message: I'd like to suggest that an administrator put protection on the Benoit article. No doubt that people will be flocking here to get information, and some will be tempted to edit the article with false information. TheOneCalledA1 23:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already happening, I'm sorry to say. -- MisterHand 23:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have requested that it be fully protected for the time being because we won't be getting any information any time soon and it should be protected at least until new verified information comes in. -- Scorpion0422 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think protection is necessary just patience.  Eventually the truth (and it is seemingly more likely that it is an AWFUL truth) will be verified sufficiently for all parties.  Even though some MSM outlets are beginning to come out with this story, I am still hoping it's just an angle.  In the meantime please don't edit war, the article isn't going anywhere, and there will be sufficient time to sort out all the issues. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 23:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: We try to only use full protection in ongoing edit wars, and then as sparingly as possible. I'm sure a lot of folks have it on their watch list. Just make sure everything is sourced, and if the situation changes, then the article can change. SirFozzie 01:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protect the article 

message: TSN.ca is now reporting on Benoit's death.  -- Scorpion0422 00:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So has FoxNews , with apparent verification that the authorities are investigating it.  The problem is, most of these reports are linking their stories to WWE.com, which to people like me who don't want to believe it's true, gives the hope that this may all be some sick and misguided work. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 00:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Besides, common sense would dictate that this wouldn't follow the WWE formula for a work; it wasn't built up on TV at all, they already have a similar story going on (or they did), and they cancelled an entire show and sent the audience home.  Jeff Silvers 00:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TSN

message: WSB-TV (Atlanta's ABC affiliate) has linked to Chris Benoit's wiki page here.  Where is the talk template for noting an article that has been used as a source by a news organization? --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 00:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't see a link there, Kitch... :? 00:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, where's the link there? (Sawyer 01:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WSB linking to article 

message: Is there any explanation as to why my section in here was deleted? Send me a message before you do that. Anyway, (http://www.tmz.com) - This is yet another news site confirming his death. No need to believe trolls, especially those who refuse to sign their posts. Legendotphoenix 01:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just some advice 

message: A very reliable source, the Associated Press, has reported about the deaths here. Rest in peace, Benoit. ~ UBeR 01:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated Press 

message: Should the date of death be listed as June 25 yet? We know he was found today, but until the autopsy is released (expected Tuesday), we don't know for sure the date of death. Right now, all we know for sure is it happened sometime between Sunday afternoon (June 24th) and 2:30pm June 25th. So with that, shouldn't the DOD be listed as unknown, until offical word? Rawboard 01:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should stay as the 25th until a source says otherwise. -- Scorpion0422 01:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Legendotphoenix 01:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed.  However, don't threaten full protection over this unless someone gets into a revert war.  Try using the Talkpage warning system and going through WP:AIV before going that far, OK?  Rdfox 76 01:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The one user who I was reverting had added that date two or three times previously. -- Scorpion0422 01:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave him a uw-v2 warning on his talkpage.  If he does it again, give him higher-level warnings.  If he ignores the level-four warning, then report him to AIV.  Full protection is for severe vandalism by multiple sockpuppets, or revert wars.  Rdfox 76 01:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DOD 

message: Various users keep adding "Investigators believe that Benoit killed his wife and son over the weekend and then himself sometime on Monday although the cause is unknown" is that actually coming from somewhere, or is it just vandalism? -- Scorpion0422 03:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the subject above, there's a news article posted that suggests the police have suspicion that that's what might have happened. Arrowny 03:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's current media postulations that came from a detective on the case. Wikidudeman (talk) 03:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Regardless of whether you believe it should be included (I personally do, though it should definitely be made clear that there is still no official word on the situation), yes, the investigator did in fact say that it looks like Benoit murdered his wife and son before killing himself the following day. Jeff Silvers 03:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have asked a couple fellow admins to take a look at it, protection wise and BLP wise. SirFozzie 04:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tried to add the word POSSIBLE to the murder-suicide phrase, as well as indicating that the autopsy is tomorrow, there likely wont be results for a couple weeks, but it doesn't appear that my edit is 'taking'.  And ABC news had this on the cause of death: "There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide."  Bsbfan4alex 05:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, we can't use Wikipedia articles to disseminate speculation. I ask that people refrain from making such contributions. The article is already semi-protected, if it continues I might be forced to fully protect the article. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 04:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So we can say that the investigator (and NAME the investigator) said it, but we cannot report it as fact. SirFozzie 04:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that might be reasonable but before added on it should have some kind of consensus from other users editing this article. So what do contributors think of SirFozzie's suggestion?--Jersey Devil 04:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: At the same time, the WWE is citing credible and knowledgeable news sources. A lot of the WWE's article about the murder-suicide can be written into :the article citing the WWE article. This is one of the very most rare of times where WWE.com is going to break kayfabe to break a legit news story. --Raderick 05:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this just vandalism?

message: Registered users such as 217mattq are editing the entry with profane or useless information (until the investigation is done).  I think a request for full protection on the article needs to be implemented.  GZadmin 05:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it's all wild speculation until an autopsy report comes out, and even after that I suspect there will be continued vandalism done even by registered users. IrisKawling 05:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Doubt they were one minute old, some accounts are created and never used until situations like this. 4 days I believe is the requirement for "new" accounts. — Moe ε 06:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, I'd read about that awhile back.  I must be getting tired.  Keep an eye on the article 'till I get back, will ya?  And don't notify Office about anything k?  Rklawton 06:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Since when has simple vandalism become a problem? Please semi-protect the article so that you may allow the free flow of information. Thanks. ~ UBeR 06:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until there are more confirmed facts, additional entries are mere speculation. Full protection period is only 48hrs, by which point we should hopefully have more reliable information to add. Anything else that is noticed and requires correction can be mentioned here and corrected.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I suppose you're right, The Australian, CNN, and the Associated Press are just tosh and unreliable. ~ UBeR 07:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed, the intro absolutely needs to be updated to reflect the "murder-suicide" conclusion.Ronnymexico 13:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: it isn't getting as much attention from the vandals The Hybrid 14:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request Full Protection

message: In light of recent events, I foresee the probable use of at least two new categories. "Category:Murderers of children" and "Category:Canadian murderers". While it is still "speculation", it will not be very long at all until he proven to be of murder and the murder of his child (he has already, obviously, been linked to these murders), there are no other suspects and it is unlikely his kid or his wife managed to kill this hulk of a man. So just be ready for these new categories here on the talk page rather than being shocked and appalled at seeing for the first time that your hero has been categorized as a child murderer on the article itself. JayKeaton 07:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let not jump to conclusions, even if they are probable. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball or speculative in that manner. ~ UBeR 07:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Be that as it may, all signs to point to "yes", so if you are a fan of this Benoit guy, just be ready for it. By the time this page is unlocked, the police probably will have made a statement saying that yes he was the killer. So it is possible that it was a freak accident, maybe a microwave exploded and a block of kitchen knives nearby happen to fly at all of their necks, all signs are pointing towards what the police are already saying. It is a truly sad and disturbing turn of events, I wish it didn't have to be this way. But it is. JayKeaton 07:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refrain from such conjecture. Accusing someone of murder is quite grave, not to mention rather insensitive considering that a family has been torn apart just recently. I think you should wait until the official police report is made before thinking that the case is already solved. AMReese 07:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The case is being treated as a homicide and this is not a biography of a living person, so accusations are not so much of an issue here. The police did say that they are also treating it as a murder-suicide. It is just the facts and that is the way the facts are pointing. And that will probably be a large part of the future of this article. Also in the history of his wrestling, especially leading up to the murders, the WWE says that he has pulled out of an event or two because of "personal reasons" and also "family issues". Chris pulling out because of personal reasons and family issues just before the death of himself and his family relates directly to the death of his family. Such conjecture is necessary based on the evidence so far and also to try and figure out what to expect from this article in the future and the near future JayKeaton 08:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: While I agree that, since this isn't a living person, the rigour applied to other current event-related people (like Willie Pickton, for instance) doesn't apply here, I personally don't think any categories that conclude a crime took place should be included until a formal statement has been made indicating that the deaths were murders/suicide. This event isn't going anywhere, no need to be hasty. Anchoress 15:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Probable new categories