Talk:Ruhrpolen

message: I keep editing entries that deny the heterogeneity of the term and the migration movement of the Ruhrpolen. Alongside those "proper" ethnic and national Poles, Masurians, Silesians and other ethnicities moved to the Ruhrarea. Even back in the early 20th century, people lumped those ethniciites into one term: Ruhrpolen. That is why it is indeed an umbrella term that includes Masurians etc. The provided links state the participation of those not-proper-Polish-ethnicities in the migration wave. Kalifat (talk) 00:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the links you put in is no word about an umbrella term. In not one source stands that with the term "Ruhrpolen" are more ethnicities than just Poles.--84.142.80.143 (talk) 14:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Why you need a link? Because nowhere you can read that under the term Ruhrpolen are other ethnic groups meaning than just Poles! Thats why. And you will not find any source for your thesis, because it's not true that it is an umbrella term. Its a term just for Poles.--85.176.80.5 (talk) 17:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay. This sources are a little bit better. In some days I look the last source.--84.142.120.226 (talk) 23:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  umbrella term that includes other ethnicities than "proper" Poles 

message: Seriously,  - this article just isn't the place to get in a fight over how the Masurians saw themselves. The individuals mentioned in the text are widely described as Ruhrpolen. Their ancestors might have been from Masuria. Ok, all that's fine. But then there's no need to put in this Catholic vs. Protestant, Prussian vs. Pole stuff which entails the usual territory and individual marking. 
 Volunteer Marek  11:25, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Ruhrpolen" were not at all a homogeneous group and had different identities and cultural /religious backgrounds - that should be mentioned. If the new source describes it like that, there's simply no need to remove this information and call it "OR". HerkusMonte (talk) 11:45, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the Ruhrpolen were heterogenous - but there's a way of saying that without getting into this whole "will the real Masurians please stand up" thing. And as far as Kempka goes, I also agree - while the two footballers are widely described as "Ruhrpolen" I haven't seen a source for that for Kempka.  Volunteer Marek  12:36, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article might be expanded, but just because it lacks information you shouldn't remove info you don't like. (Kempka parents were Masurians, AFAIK) HerkusMonte (talk) 12:52, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a problem with saying somebody was Masurian. I do have a problem with someone putting in sketchy and mostly irrelevant text about what the Masurians (apparently all, every single one of them) thought of themselves. Volunteer Marek  13:37, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This claim is obviously false as thousands of Masurs voted for Poland in plebiscite and there were numerous pro-Polish Masur activists.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Obviously"? - Well, obviously 99,32 % of the voters in Masuria proper voted in favour of Germany/East Prussia and obviously Polish officials tried to hinder the participation of Ruhrpolen in the East Prussian plebiscite (allegedly the German success was a result of their right to vote). But that's not important at all, wikipedia is not about the WP:Truth. There's a source and we use it, simple and easy. HerkusMonte (talk) 07:18, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with HerkusMonte. A fact remains a fact, no matter if we like it or not. Let's get over of our national romantic myths and fantasies. Estlandia  (dialogue) 08:54, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This has nothing to do with "national romantic myths and fantasies", German, Polish or Estonian. It's just this particular article is not the place to fight over who the Masurians really were/are or how they regard(ed) themselves. It's enough to note - if the source is correct - that the two footballers parents were from Masuria. And as the article already states, Ruhrpolen encompassed Masurians as well as more "traditional" Poles. Volunteer Marek  17:08, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Not the right place