Talk:Israeli West Bank barrier/Archive 1

message: As far as I know, there is not yet an article describing the Israel security wall. I was going to add something to Wikipedia:Requested articles, but I don't know what to call the article...
:Should it be Israel or Israeli in the title?
:Is it a wall? partition? fence? barrier?
Suggestions? Kingturtle 08:00, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest Israel-Palestine Barrier, because all of wall, partition and fence are also barriers. CGS 08:25, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

text: What's wrong with Israel security wall? The current events page already has a missing link to it. My general feeling on article naming is that if it's the first thing that comes to mind then it's proabably the best name. We can make all kinds of redirects and discuss the "proper" name later, but start it with a "good enough" name and at least the article will get started instead of being stalled in committee. -- Merphant 08:41, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs uses the name: "anti-terrorist fence" and "security fence" in its official punlications, as well as the headlines. Check for example:
* www.mfa.gov.il/mfa
* securityfence.mfa.gov.il/mfm/web/main/missionhome.asp?MissionID=45187& The Israeli Diplomatic Network: The Anti - Terrorist Fence
* www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=32589.EN Anti-terrorist fence at Israeli Defence Forces website.
MathKnight 11:58, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official name 

message: The article mentions the fence was condemned by "A United Nations report" as a "blatant grab for land."  That doesn't sound like terminology someone like, say, Kofi Annan would use, so perhaps we should qualify this by saying who exactly issued the report. --Delirium 03:52, Nov 17, 2003 (UTC)
: I've no idea myself, I was summarising from news articles. Delirium's right, of course. Martin 18:07, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  My gut says it was probably one of the, er...I have no idea what to call them. The strange "lobbying groups" funded and inside the UN to lobby the UN, like the "Committee on the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People". No firm evidence, though. -Penta 11:07, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)

text: Please read it more carefully.  It does not deny that any farmers are cut off from their land.  It only claims that efforts are made to reduce it:  "attempts are being made to avoid separating owners from their lands. In circumstances where such a separation is unavoidable...".  So they admit it happens, the case is only based on the frequency and the necessity.  They are hardly going to claim more than that when the Israeli press is full of stories about farmers separated from their lands.  That page does not deny that any communities are divided, either.  --Zero 11:38, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which United Nations body? 

message: I would like to suggest that we change the current URL <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid_wall> for one more neutral. -- ANON.
It's not the current article name, it's only a redirect.  The main name is "Israeli security barrier", which I don't like either.  I think "Israeli separation barrier" would be more NPOV, or if necessary just "Israeli barrier". --Zero 10:24, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel's Security Fence 

message: I think a vote for the name is in order here. I think the ideal solution is to do a separate (Condorcet) vote on every part:
*First adjective: Israeli, Israel, Israel-Palestine, West Bank
*Second adjective (if any): security, partitioning, separation, apartheid, anti-terrorism, [none]
*Noun: barrier, wall, partition, fence, applicance
Dissident 02:59, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote for title