Talk:Butters Stotch

message: Dear all, does anyone have a previous picture of Butters that was in this article, where he's smiling? In .png or similar format. Thank you for help!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cold starlight (talk • contribs) 21:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previous Picture on Wikipedia - Smiling Butters 

message: reverted his age from 9 to 8. although the rest of the boys have turned 9, Butters is still 8 (mentioned as recently as the season 11 episode "Cartman Sucks" when he goes on his little rant at the end). He is slightly younger than the other boys and is probably stuck in "about to turn 9" limbo.
Well Stan is 10 now so I'm sure that means Butters is at least 9 now because their all within a year of age. --69.124.164.51 (talk) 23:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: Is there any real reason to have this article at "Butters (South Park)"? I thought the convention was to have the article at the simplest title possible, and I don't see any reason to add "(South Park)" to this article's title, since this character is the only Butters. Personally, I think the article should be at "Butters Stotch", following the format of Eric Cartman and Stan Marsh... Lachatdelarue (talk) 01:55, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Then let's put the article at Butters Stotch. Lachatdelarue (talk) 03:20, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  page move 

message: You may well consider me the biggest one on the bus for doing this, but the following link is to a thread I started on the Delphi Aspergers and Autistic Adults forum. Hope you find it interesting, because it has to do with whether or not Butters has Asperger's syndrome. JB82 03:22, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The ugly thing about most societies is, people don't like people who are different.  Therefore, children with asperger's syndrome would be more vulnerable to abuse, intentional and not, both from other children and even their parents.  Therefore, some children with aspergers will exhibit behaviours that might be a result of the condition itself (don't want to be touched because it's physically overwhelming, don't want to play with others because it's confusing), might be the result of abuse (don't want to be touched because it brings up bad memories, don't want to be close because of bad memories).  I don't think Butters have Aspergers, he doesn't seem to have any sensory problems (being overwhelmed by the inability to properly filter visual and audio information, physical simulation of any sort), I think, the behaviour Butters exhibit is solely the result of abuse, considering his parents who /sold him to PARIS HILTON/, and that uncle of his, and his classmates... [11:02pm, Aug 3rd, 2007]
I live with someone who has Asperger's, and Butters just doesn't exhibit enough qualities to classify. It's an interesting link and idea, but, no, Butters is not Asperger's in any clear, recognizable way.--74.235.63.68 (talk) 09:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butters and [[Asperger's syndrome]] 

message: I don't think they're overprotective. They're strict, but they always blame him for everything when the chance arises. In the episode with the chinese wall around the city, they don't recognize him on first sight. It seems more like they use him to satisfy their sadistic urges.
*South Park is full of lousy parents, but I really think the Stotches take the cake.  How about the time they kept accusing him of making faces when he was just being normal?  The paragraph on them really needs to be expanded. -james_anatidae 03:05, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
**Agreed. Same with the time he wasn't ranked ugliest in his class and his dad said "Looks like we won't have to ground him this time"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.22.136.17 (talk) 15:46, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Their article says this: "Butters' father's name changes constantly between Stephen and Chris - in Die Hippie, Die, Linda addresses him as Stephen, while in Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset, she calls him Chris. Either one of them could be a middle name, though." Gdo01 08:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Parents

message: The very long section about Veronica Mars belongs in an article about that show. It is a minor mention at most for this article. -- Kjkolb 09:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veronica Mars section and references 

message: I think Professor Chaos should redirect to the episode rather than to Butters. Borisblue 15:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Professor Chaos

message: In Episode 205, Conjoined Fetus Lady, during the intro dodgeball fight Stan calls for "Jordan and Swanson" to come forward, where an unknown kid and Butters come forward. Did Butters have a last name change before he was introduced as a main character? Jgamekeeper 05:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surname? 

message: which episode does Butters tell Stan hes Prof. Chaos?
:My Future Self n' Me --Sonic Mew 22:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  which episode? 

message: It says at that "Butters received annilingus from his uncle" at the bottom of the page.  Is this really appropriate?  I mean, I'm not doubting this happened (I saw that episode), but at the very least, shouldn't it be reworded?  The statement itself implies that Butters, as a minor, wanted it.
What episode was this in? 72.227.133.155 (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butters' Uncle 

message: I'll be removing some irrelevant or redundant links, one section at a time, over the next few days per the Style Manual on Links.  Will do one section at a time to avoid reverting anyone by accident. --CliffC 15:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All done; happily it took hours not days.  --CliffC 16:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing irrelevant / redundant links 

message: Hmmm... just a thought...
http://senatesite.com/profile-buttars.php
: The creators have said that Butters is based on Eric Stough. The senator is coincidence.(Thrawny 18:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Butters a parody of Utah State Senator Chris Buttars? 

message: what episode does he get it. 202.12.144.21 14:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was never shown in the series. The scene was either created just for "Butters Very Own Episode" or was edited out of a previous episode and later brought back. (Thrawny 18:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  when did butters get the picture of john elway 

message: I feel like Butters' rather horrible experience being anally probed for 14 hours in the episode "The Death of Eric Cartman" should be mentioned, if only in passing.  Much of the first part of the article is about how bad things happen to him despire his good intentions and that seems to be the worst so far.Papercrab 07:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to the Death of Eric Cartman 

message: I removed the following from "Art" and will move it to Prof. Chaos in a different context.
"In one episode, Butters developed an addiction to porn after accidentally viewing a porno movie thought to be the Lord of the Rings. This "darker" side to his wholesome character is hinted at in a few other episodes as well." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.233.22.234 (talk) 05:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Information from Wrong Header 

message: "Butters places second only to Cartman as the most popular character on South Park"  Where is that coming from?  I doubt there's any real way to validate this statement so it should probably be removed. Tweeks Coffee 14:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity 

message: IN Cartman Sucks he said that he was bi curious
:Clearly without understanding that word, though. He's deferring the priest, his father, and the counselors at the church camp, all authority figures who label him that way by mistake.
:: Butters clearly has no idea what "bi-curious" means. And when he is told he is confused because he is bi-curious, he is literally cofused "what the heck are they talking about". This was the entire gag behind the Butters plotline in this episode, the hes realyl straight but is convinced by others he is bi-curious and does not even know what that means. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thrawny (talk • contribs) 16:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: In the first paragraph, the source for Butters' birthday is referenced to another Wikipedia article. I'm not entirely sure about the WP etiquette on this is, so I'm bringing it up here, but it seems very unlikely that it is within wikipedian guidelines to reference another wikipedia article as a source. It would make sense to me to ammend the sentence to read "His birthday is September 11, as revealed in episode "AWESOM-O." Leopold Stotch 20:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In an article where in-universe perspective needs to be kept at a bare minimum, what relevance does this one throwaway comment have? Including such info would also run the risk of having to include original research in order to explain any continuity issues. I've always believed that the show's creators decided this to be his birthday because of the date being fairly synonymous with tragedy these days, and did it as a way of saying that bad luck/tragedy tend to follow Butters no matter what; Butters can't catch a break...a day for celebrating his birth is more associated with a tragic event. But...that's original research. But if a source can be found that would verify that this was Matt and Trey's intention, I would be all for including the birthdate somewhere in the article. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference in first paragraph 

message: well he is, and i dont think its coinsidental. he is in fact the spare wheel to the group of friends, as shown directly in several episodes. and he is a tolerated but unrespected, unbelonging character, an actual fifth wheel· Lygophile has spoken 11:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the fifth of four friends 

message: I think this needs to be completely overhauled and streamlined. It's nothing but example, source, example, source all the way through with little introspective as to the nature of the character. It makes it a task just reading it.
User:anonymous user August 13th, 2007.
It's a task to read any lengthy article! (Especially out loud; it makes one thirsty.) The whole point of creating an article is to make sure it's content gets as far extended as possible, while still following the Wikipedia guidelines. I personally see nothing different about this article. Wilhelmina Will 01:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the best article 

message: Butters_Stotch#Talents_and_interests needs a lot of work. It's indeed trivial: and people refuse to believe it (which ends up with the tag being removed). A section doesn't need to be named trivia, to be a trivia section. Anyway, the section is basically a detailed guide to many things Butters has done. Which are notable or not?  Wikipedia isn't a guide to every little note, so the section needs some condensing at the least. RobJ1981 11:36, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cleanup completed. My only request is that if you add something, make sure it flows well with the paragraph. Also only add major things that significantly impact the description of the character. (Thrawny 21:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Why must you be such a deletionist?  Do you realize how large that section of text was and how much information it had?  So what if the info was about specific instances?  Could you not rename the section as a "trivia" section"?  The info was completely competent.  --Wykypydya (talk) 22:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't delete the trivia section, I actually tried to defend it. In hindsight, I think it might be for the best and we should try to incorporate some of the info from the trivia section into the main parts. Thrawny (talk) 04:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup needed

message: "Butters has had two face-offs with the Yajuta from the Predator franchise and their will be a future episode with him face to face with it. (He will be killed off for a season, like Kenny McCormick. This is planned for Season 13 or 14."
Uh, no. (Not unless there's actually proof, that is.) Who wrote that? :/ 24.58.143.68 (talk) 02:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dunno, but it sounds friggin' awesome.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.87.94 (talk) 02:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh... 

message: In "Marjorine", the group fakes his death by tossing a pig (from a butchers) wearing his clothes off a building. Then, they dress Butters as a girl and have him sneak into a sleepover under the name Marjorine in order to obtain the girls' future telling device (which is actually a folded paper cootie catcher).
Is this part really necessary?  The rest of the section seems to describe his overall personality and character evolution, whereas this just points out the plot of a single episode - at the very most it reiterates a point that has already been made.  I move to strike. Phoenix1304 (talk) 08:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character history 

message: I would like to add the following:
*Being one of the more naive boys, Butters exhibits some signs of sexism. this can be seen in the episode Lice Capades, when after Craig suggests that it could've been a girl who was infected with lice, he shouts "Yeah, dumb girls". Also, in the episode Breast Cancer Show Ever, Butters constantly wants Cartman to "kick Wendy's ass", though he may have been trying to encourage Cartman to fight Wendy so that Eric would get his ass kicked.
Also, at the end of the section "Character History", its mentioned that Butters fakes suicide in the episode "Marjorine". This really doesn't describe Butter's character development in South Park, and I think should be moved to his Personality, describing how easily he can be taken advantage of. --AznWarlord (talk) 02:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't encouraging girls and boys to fight each other a sign of equality anyway?Yobmod (talk) 10:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Naivety

message: Is this explained in any episode? 98.224.64.222 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 08:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did the name "Butters" come from? 

message: MOS/fair use guidelines suggest a max of 2 screenshots per article; I replaced his "yearbook" image with a screenshot of the opening sequence still that can also be seen in the infobox of the "Butters' Very Own Episode" article. I see this as illustrating a more notable aspect of his character; the fact that he once had an entire episode dedicated to himself after his popularity had risen, versus the importance of what he looks like when he combs his hair. Also replaced the Professor Chaos image with one that's slightly better quality. As always...thoughts, gripes, suggestions, etc. please.  - SoSaysChappy (talk) 20:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image swap 

message: Butters is dead. He died in the first half of season thirteen finale. He was sniped by combined U.S. and British snipers, why no mention???
Newchowder (talk) 17:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butters died 

message: *spoilers*
In the episode "Awesome-O", Cartman pretends to be a robot and pretends to be a gift from Japan to Butters. He asks Butters if there are any secrets of his that he would like to share with him (sense robots do not make fun of or give away secrets, he says.)
And Butters tells him that he has a medical problem that makes it difficult to control his sphincter. Which means that not only does he need a certain pill applied anally every day, but he sometimes poops his pants and must wears diapers to school. This is what Butters says, anyway.
Later in the episode, Butters forces Cartman to give him that pill he was talking about, but other than that one scene, I've never seen any other instance where Butter's sphincter problem is even remotely hinted at. So I don't know how much of it is considered official cannon. Because if it IS, then I think it's major enough of a physical trait to mention it in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.166.20 (talk) 02:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  His 'sphincter' problem 

message: surely there should be a huge section about being the best south park character. this should be clearly at the top of the page and form a huge part of this artcile as it is neither POV/speculation or just wrong its scientific fact. any child can proove this using a sun dial, a bunsen burner, h2o, some litmus paper and a copy of the national enquirer  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.136.80.78 (talk) 17:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best South Park Character 

message: The opening paragraph claims Butters as the show's "breakout character", followed correctly so by a "citation needed".  Can this opinion of Butters not be stricken?  Over the duration of the show, Cartman would be seen as the breakout character (if anyone at all could be, that is; who would you consider the breakout character of say, The Simpsons?)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oz Man Can (talk • contribs) 20:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Breakout character?" 

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message: In [March 2017] a template was added on top of the page saying that the article has to be rewritten because it "describes a work or element of fiction in a primarily in-universe style". I have not compared the version back then with the present version, but after having read the Manual of Style section about this I think the statement is exaggerated:
* The lead says, "He is a student at South Park Elementary School", which could be considered 'in-universe style', but as the previous sentences already establish that he is a fictional character, voiced by some-one etc., I think is perfectly clear in this context. The same applies to "Butters is depicted as ..." followed by "As a result, he is often sheltered ... an the victim of abuse ...". It is not really useful to repeat the fictionality of a character in every sentence, is it?
* The "Role in South Park" section has several sentences who could be deemed 'in-universe' but the reader is reminded about reality not only by the section's title but also by phrases like, "When the character of Kenny McCormick was temporarily written off the show", several references to Seasons which naturally are parts of a TV series and not of real life.
* The "Personality and traits" section starts with two 'in-universe' sentences, but goes on with analyses by real-world reviewers.
I think a template like this is not meant for marginal cases like this. Bever (talk) 15:50, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-universe style