Talk:Futurama/Archive 1

message: "showcases numerous technological advantages that have been developed by the year 3000." - followed not by technological advantages but bizare inventions developed by the Professor that never see the light of day.  Can't think of a good edit to clarify this. --DamienG 21:12, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Inventions

message: In multiple episodes of Futurama [off the top of my head, the one where Lila goes blind and Bender becomes a gangster; and another episode where they find the underwater city of Atlanta], Professor Farnsworth says in astonismhent "Holy Zombie--" and then the last word has been edited out by [adult swim]. I've been dying to know what word got censored from that line. If anyone's got the DVD maybe they could figure it out. Maybe it could go in the trivia section or under the Professor's character page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ARBlackwood (talk • contribs) 
:The full quote is "Sweet Zombie Jesus!". Also, please sign your Talk posts (~~~~). EVula 06:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He says "Sweet Zombie Jesus" in "The Deep South," and "Holy Zombie Jesus" in "Bender Gets Made." Elwood00 T | C 14:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Holy Zombie _______!

message: Do we really have to have the last line of 'Devil's Hands' quoted? The last time I visited this page, I hadn't seen it, and if the quote had been in then I'd have been pretty annoyed to have the ending 'spoiled' in a small way. I've since seen it, but I'm not sure the quote is strictly necessary or relevant to this bit. Some people who haven't seen all the episodes will surely be visiting.
:I think the line fits well with the context and doesn't give away very much about the last episode.  After all, how easy is it to infer the rest of "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings" from that one sentence?  (It's rather like when my friend Ian told me the last line of the Simpsons Halloween episode "Homer3" was "Mmm, erotic cakes."  I didn't have a clue in Robot Hell what the episode would be about.) Anville 14:17, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Production

message: Was there a parody of Mike Levey on Futurama? --66.215.219.188 08:41, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You've asked minor variations on this question in three different places. -- Cyrius|✎ 13:49, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mike Levey Parody 

message: L33tminion said "Split off minor characters to seperate article in response to objection" in a recent edit, what was this objection, moving the recurring characters to another page seems unnecessary to me and I would like to change it back. I do think it could use a bit of cropping though (mainly LaBarbara Conrad and Father Changstein-El-Gamal) - Diceman 12:35, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is a featured article candidate (see above). I objected to the inclusion of a long list of characters in this article because it doesn't need one here. There are only six or seven main characters in the series; all the rest are supporting characters. In fact, I objected to this article becoming a feature article because it needs significant work; almost all of it is made up of lists. --b. Touch 21:24, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Characters page 

message: When I saw this article, I thought it seemed like an overlooked featured candidate, but after the constructive criticism it has received, it is clearly not at that level yet.  Still, this is an excellent article, and I would like to congratulate the people who worked on it immensely.  I'm going to refer this to peer review, and do some more work on editing the article.  I think that this article will definitely be able to meet the featured standard.  --L33tminion | (talk) 16:56, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
Things that need to be done:
* Add references (including in-article references)
* Make more prose-like (but I love the lists of trivia... perhaps some of those should branch off into seperate articles?)
* Make introduction more robust
* Add more screen captures (that's already been improved quite a bit)
* The info on syndication in the intro might be incorrect, that needs to be clarified ("Appearing on Cartoon Network does not mean it's in syndication (it just means its being re-run), and doesn't it come on the other Turner networks as well?", "If a show is being broadcast on a major network at a fixed time, regaurdless of country (for example, on Teletoon in Canada), that is not syndication; it's just being re-run.")
--L33tminion | (talk) 16:09, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
:As far as references go, would it be sufficient to list the Futurama series as the reference. Or should we be adding footnotes to facts on an episode by episode basis? I would think the series is sufficient instead of episode numbers the same way a book title is sufficient instead of page numbers.--Will2k 14:23, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
::For material derived from the show itself—character info, plot references, and so forth—I think listing the series is enough.  In some cases, it may be necessary to do more:  for example, when one episode contradicts another.  (Remember, this is an encyclopedia article, not a fansite.)  However, for this article to become an FA, we need to establish why the subject is relevant.  This requires outside information about the show's production history, its critical reception, awards won and beratings suffered, references seen elsewhere, and all that.
::Anville 16:30, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Candidacy 

message: Someone should add a section discussing the show's cancellation... Themindset 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Production" section has quite a bit on the cancellation. Did you want more? -- Cyrius|✎ 22:37, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be interesting if someone mentioned why the series was cancelled. Did it have low ratings? -- Andrew Parodi 09:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, its cancellation had more to do with expense than popularity. Futurama had excellent, high-quality animation that often included artfully-done CG and sprawling backgrounds. You could order a whole season of something with low-grade, assembly-line animation like, say, Family Guy, for the cost of one or two episodes of Futurama. -RannXXV 19:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then again, there is the fact that this is Fox who cancelled the show.  I know it is a bit old, but it does seem a common gripe by many people that Fox cancels shows prematurely as can be seen in Family Guy's return and the recent talk about a potential Futurama re-birth. -Thebdj 20:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  CANCELLATION 

message: I found a problem in the linguistics section about ask-aks, the reason ask in the future is aks is because the incorrect slang/ebonics changes ask to aks, and in the future this is accepted as the norm. " In certain cases, transposition of adjacent consonants, particularly when the first is [s]. For instance "ask" realized "aks""--wikipedia-ebonics...And i hear aks first hand.  Does anyone else agree? ---citanul
 
I have a few problems with the linguistics section:
* "The sound duh, used to express exasperation, has been joined by the sounds guh, buh, spluh and other similar sounds." and "obviously has been replaced with globviously" - I don't believe these are actual linguistic changes, just Amy's way of speaking, or popular slang at best. This would be like a article about today stating that "the word 'jewelry' has been replaced by 'bling'".
* "The lyrics to 'Happy Birthday' and 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' have been replaced with modern counterparts." - I don't remember the "Happy Birthday" change off the top of my head, but "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" had the tune changed (most likely for copyright reasons), so it's technically not the same song, and the lyrics were changed for humor (not to mention that using the real lyrics would be infringement also), not to indicate that the popular song had undergone revisions. Perhaps the bigger issue here anyways is these lyric changes are not really linguistic changes in the first place, and would not fall under this category anyways.
* "Smizmar means 'life partner'" - This is a borrowed word from an alien language, and I don't believe that the average human would refer to his wife as his "smizmar". It would only be used to refer to persons of Kiff's species, or similar species.
Any thoughts? --Pagrashtak 19:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: All very good points.  This article needs a clean up as people seem to keep wanting to add too much random trivia to it.  Should we split off a seperate trivia page for all the surplus that people keep adding? --Apyule 00:57, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The first thing this article needs is massive pruning. For example, the bulleted list under the "Setting" section is a) a list, which Wikipedia is not, and (IMO) b) not important enough to be included anyways. I don't think it should be split off into a separate page either, for reason b). The next step would be to add more "real-life" information about the show, such as the content in the "Production" and "Non-broadcast production" sections. These would also be the sections to include more references. Is anyone interested in trying to bring this article up to Featured Article standards? --Pagrashtak 03:12, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linguistics section 

message: This doesn't really fit into anywhere, so I'll say this here. I think that it would be best if we just split each episode into a different article and make one page that displays a list of all the Futurama episodes, with a link to the each of the main episode guide, with a one or two-line summary and a thumbnail image on that page, similar to the Family Guy format. The current list/summary of each episode sorted by seasons seems to be very large in size. --FlyingPenguins 04:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Guides 

message: Since we're listing references between Futurama and Life in Hell, it may be worth noting that Groening's rabbit from Life in Hell show up in the peisode where Fry buys a pet.--68.40.173.159 03:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference to Life in Hell

message: For the section Voyager 2 in fiction and popular culture. I remember that, but I have no clue what episode or season. Just edit the sentence there if you know. JamesHoadley 02:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankyou User:Rmbyoung. JamesHoadley 17:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need episode where Leela wipes Voyager 2 off her windshield 

message: Anyone object to me creating a new article about the DVDs a la The Simpsons DVDs and King of the Hill DVDs? - Wezzo 20:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Will go ahead with this later today then. - Wezzo 08:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate DVD article 

message: Just a suggestion would creating an article for every episode would make the episode list look cleaner. It does with Family Guy and American Dad! Thanks Empty2005 04:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles For The Episodes? 

message: The first image of a robot seen by Hari Seldon is named "Bendar" and is mentioned in a video playing on a screen in the "Sacratorium" in "Mycogen" on "Trantor" in the book "Prelude To Foundation" by Isaac Asimov, founder of robotics(in the literary sense). I don't now if this bit of trivia is worthy of entry in the article or not, so I'm mentioning it here. Bendar lived on the planet of the origin of humanity and had a metal body. Drn8 04:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, only if you consider Aurora to be the original planet of the human species (which the Mycogenians certainly do).  Anville 11:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bendar, Asimov, Prelude To Foundation 

message: I heard that one reason Futurama was cancelled was because episodes were expensive to create, because of science fiction animation such as flying through space. Is this mentioned anywhere in the article? Captain Jackson 02:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expense 

message: The Wikipedia article currently contains a section devoted to comparisons with Red Dwarf. I'm not sure if the section is really worthy enough to stay there, so I won't add this link there, but I found the folloing article extremely interesting:
Futurama Echoes
Intriguing... --Nick RTalk 02:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Dwarf similarities 

message: Just on a technical note I changed the place Leela was diposeted by her parents from an Orphanage to a minimum security orphanarium.
Zigbigadoorlue 05:29, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minimum Security Orphanarium 

message: Is there a list anywhere of all the animated films that are played on the giant TV screen in the opening before the Planet Express Ship crashes into it? Qutezuce 21:50, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Animated clip in opening

message: I'm pretty sure that it has been said in the DVD commentary on "The Sting" on Season 5 (or Season 4, depending on which sequencing you follow) that they wanted to do pretend to do away with a character, and linked it up with the Space Wasp. However since "wasps doesn't make honey", they have to turned it into Space Bees. Essentially, the crew that died on the Space Wasp trip is the same crew that flew the space ship found in the Space Bee hive. 24.84.126.117 09:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passing references to dead crews under "Planet Express" 

message: I've recently created and added a Futurama template to most of the Futurama-related articles. If you have any questions or comments please contact me on my talk page. --TBC???  ??? ??? 03:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: There have been links to a petition to bring back Futurama inserted into the article today. But back when it became clear that Futurama was cancelled there was another petition  with more than 150 000 signatures. This linked one has a bit over 10 000, and it doesn't sound new either. So the question is do we link it or not? Haakon 10:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These petitions are rarely successful.  They are not considered encyclopedic. Jtrost (T | C | #) 13:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petition links 

message: It seems that lately a lot of reasonably relevant information is being deleted with no justification other than:
"rv fancruft"
This seems a little harsh and ill explained.
What on earth does rv fancruft mean? Simondrake 00:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is already 44 kilobytes. Very small pieces of information nobody cares about belongs on a fan site, not an encyclopedia. 
Trivia: Nibbler has his own spaceship.
Fancruft: Nibblers extra eye can be seen poking out of a bin in every replay of the scene where Fry falls into the cryogenic freezer.
-- infinity0
Actually, the bit about Nibbler's eye being in every scene of Fry falling into the cryotube is a very legitimate piece of trivia. It shows that they were actually being pretty careful about continuity, even before continuity is revealed, something that differentiates it from the Simpsons. -RannXXV 18:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: No, it was there the whole time, they always planned to address it eventually. Deathregis 03:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rv fancruft 

message: Sorry to further lengthen an already long article, but it seems to me that the article focused far too much on the "extended" Futurama universe rather than the relationships between the main characters which, after all, are at the center of the show.  I added a brief section to address that. Redquark 19:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, here's a couple of thoughts on your new section. First I think the basic idea of this section is right and adds to the article. However I disagree with the statement: "The nuclear family seems to have collapsed completely in the 31st century". Amy's family is recognizably a late model nuclear family; Amy herself has as near as possible a traditional relationship with Kif - at least as near as biology will allow; Leela's parents' relationship is not dysfunctional, even if their relationship with her is (though I'd argue that one too :-). So overall, I think your phrasing there is too strong. Gwernol 20:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "relationships" section 

message: Just wanting to be sure, are the events portrayed in the comics considered to be canon? I am thinking that they should be, so would it be possible to add information from them into the main/sub articles? Nic tan33 04:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futurama Comics are they canon? 

message: Although it IS stated that it was cancelled out by a nuclear winter, it is also stated that it was a fraud by the scientific community. Should the refferences to global warming be removed from the setting?
possiblely it's a bit confusing really....maybe there is different global warmings like the first one was a fraud, the second was knocked out by nuclear winter and the thrid with the whole giant ice cube thing. well just some ideas...Slayerx675 16:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global Warming 

message: Nothing specifically against it but does this section actually say something? I think it´s depicted pretty same as it´s in the present.
:I tend to agree. Most of the things mentioned in the section are from a single episode and not a long running thing. They were probably just put in the show because either the producers thought it would be funny, or they wanted to spoof some movie or had some plot idea that needed it. There doesn't appear to be any theme to the section, just a random mention of various related happenings from the show. Is there any reason that Futurama's depiction of gender and sexual norms is notable?Qutezuce 10:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's notable in that the theme appears rather often for what is ostensibly a sci-fi comedy.  Compare to e.g. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where it rarely arises. Redquark 03:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gender and sexual norms

message: Futurama does not "makes several bold predictions about the future of linguistics". It's a freaking cartoon comedy show. I do however think that the alien alphabet stuff bears some relevance, so I suggest that part 3 (the linguistics part) be removed and replaced by one containing only info regarding the alien alphabet, or something like that. This is also part of a bigger (psudo)problem or issue here on Wikipedia, and that is that articles about some kind of TV-show, or comic book, or humorous website, or something other that may have some degree of fandom around it, tends to be less relevant in its' content and is written with a slightly ironic or consciously naïve language than other more serious articles. This might  just be me imagining apocryphal things though. 
Well enyway, erase and replace.  --Blackfield 23:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the "bold predictions" phrasing is a little tongue-in-cheek, but the sentence is not false or misleading so there's no reason why it should be changed.  There's no style guideline saying that Wikipedia prose must be boring!  And I don't see why anything should be cut --- the section is very short anyway. Redquark 03:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary "Linguistics" part 

message: On a recent rerun that I saw on Adult Swim, the theme song was acapella. I want to know where I can get it. Does anybody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.189.245 (talk • contribs) 
This is a special opening theme appearing in the Spanish Fry episode, available on the season four DVD set. Haakon 22:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  futrama acapella themesong? 

message: I'm removing this part of the article because it's false in every aspect. If you want further proof read on. 
The song 'Smells like Teen Spirit' by nirvana uses the chord structure
F Bb G# C#
When futurama's chord structure (The part that the article is referring to) goes
E A D A
They aren't even in the same key much the less using the same notes, furthermore I think that 'it  has been reported' does not qualify is a valid citation.
Heres a copy of the article for reference "Some people find the theme song for the TV show Futurama to be very reminiscent of the hit 1991 Nirvana track Smells Like Teen Spirit. Apparently, the notes are the same, but, the order is different. It has been reported that when a band plays a cover version of the Nirvana track at a venue, some people listening think they are indeed playing the Futurama theme, until the band play more of the song, then the people realise that the two songs are different." PrettyMuchBryce 20:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion of Futurama theme song to Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit"

message: Why do you have so much info on Futurama but so little on shows which are actually good like King of the Hill? Wetquinn 23:35, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are more Futurama fans than King of the Hill fans writing for Wikipedia.  If you like KotH, feel free to add to that article to redress the balance. Redquark 01:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Like for example "petrollemo reserver ran out in 2048" i know the quote is a bit off, but a timeline 
2048- Resrvers of Petrolelem run out
2050-global warming is cancelled out by nulcear winter(i don't think one is write but it's just a example.Slayerx675 16:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you suggesting something like this should exist? Because it does.  See Timeline of Futurama Stardust8212 17:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Lol - when I first read this I saw it as Timeline of Futurama Stardust which is a delightful concept. --Neo 23:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List Of Happening In The Futurama Timeline 

message: One of the adult swim interludes during Futurama has been stating that there will be 4 direct to DVD movies but Cartoon Network won't get broadcast rights. Jon 20:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Content saying as much was recently removed from the article, probably because it can't be verified anywhere (if the Adult Swim website says it, though, it would count). EVula 20:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Revival

message: That section needs serious editing.  It sounds like it was copied and pasted off of another source.  I'll do my best for now, but if someone else wants to chip in, that'd be great.
:Please be aware that apparently the reporting of 13 new episodes is incorrect. Gotfuturama.com have said that the four DVD movies will each be split into four episodes each, to be aired on Comedy Central. This will in fact make it a total of 16. Does anyone object to the changing of this? - Timichio 19:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't we just say that new episodes have been ordered without giving a number until one is definatively announced? TheHYPO 20:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not against that at all. For the time being, that sounds like the best idea. Better than people being mislead. Timichio 21:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What happened to Comedy Central? i thought that they had paid good money for the rights to air re-runs and the 13 new episodes. when did this get changed to the CW? aren't they like a third rate network, barely worth mentioning?68.255.228.81 16:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah i just checked, and this is some pretty extensive vandalism, as someone changed all instances of Comedy Central to The CW. Apparently they thought that they were being funny. If you look @ the refrences section, there's an article with a title similar to "Futurama gets new life on The CW" however if you visit the article, the headline of it clearly states Comedy Central, and not the remnants of The WB network. This page should be locked from editing due to vandalism.68.255.228.81 16:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I reverted the article, to it's non-vandalised state. the articleshould still be locked.68.255.228.81 16:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I can answer that question. Those comments were made by a long term vandal I'm currently dealing with. Just ignore it. --AAA! (AAAA) 14:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Resurrection of Futurama

message: Since the new episodes won't appear until the distant future (2008), might anyone be able to confirm or deny a high-definition release? - Eyeresist 03:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hi-def

message: Some days ago I noticed in this section that the part that says "women are not allowed in the earth's armed forces" is incorrect, as they are only disallowed when Zapp Brannigan is in charge. It is an easy line to miss, but I thought I would add this point. It is no longer there, someone took it away even though it was fixing a mistake. A mistake which is still there!! I don't know that much about Wikipedia so I don't know what to do in this situation, so I have posted it here... --139.168.134.142 14:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just put it back again and put after it  or something along those lines. --LorianTC 14:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! --139.168.134.142 14:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Women not allowed in armed forces

message: Wouldn't it be beneficial to explain in a section what the characters do and why? Let me explain; Bender represents our ego; always seeks what is best for him, not caring (most of the time) about the other's ideas or feelings; Leela reprents the mother figure, caring, sensible; the way the episodes are set, ie. the way at the begining of each episode there is a problem set to be resolved, almost always some kind of moral dilemna, which the characters (reprensenting certain ideas and values) go about resolving in their different ways, or colaborating to resolve the problem -- thus helping the audience solve the dilemna themselves.--DragonFly31 12:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be good info, but I believe that falls under WP:OR. -- Ned Scott 08:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think this kind of section would be appropriate.  This is an encyclopedia, not a high school English essay. Jtrost (T | C | #) 12:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Firstly, I'm fairly certain the concept the show was based around was humor, mostly satirical. Psychological motivations are a difficult subject with fictional characters. Either way, in writing encyclopedic articles, one has to remember to avoid speculation. Touching on this subject is very clearly WP:OR unless you can find a source that is credible, which in this case would probably need to be explicit information from the show itself (Nothing implied or speculative) or confirmed support directly from someone high up in the production staff. It's a nice thought, but it just doesn't seem workable. Thanks anyway -- Digital Watches 19:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The psychology behind Futurama 

message: Hi all,
I am not promoting this article because I feel it does not satisfy the good article criteria. The article is very long — something that would not be a problem if it was comprehensive. Unfortunately it seems to spend more time recounting aspects of the Futurama universe than focusing on the humour of Futurama and Futurama as a television series. More needs to be said about the devices used in story-telling, the stand-out moments/episodes of the series, the writers of the series and the scientific humour it employs (see here and here). The article has a tendency to spend an inordinate amount of times on relatively minor points. I really feel this article could be improved if many of the details where left out. The focus should instead be on giving the reader an idea of Futurama the television series, not Futurama the fictional universe (that would be more appropriate for an article titled Futurama (fictional universe)).
Cedars 06:01, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I largely agree. This article focuses far too much on the universe of the show, while it is an interesting topic and should go into a separate article, it's way, way too much information for someone who comes to this page and wants to get basic information about the show's universe (as opposed to focusing on information on making of the show itself). Right now it does feel somewhat crufty, obsessing over culture and politics of the Futurama world and referencing episodes of the show for such. I mean, is the entire Galactic Politics section really necessary? Or even Timeline to Revival? The thorough detail about the Ship? I think many of these concerns are being addressed in the Futurama/New article, though. --SevereTireDamage 01:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for not promoting to Good Article 

message: While relationships between characters are integral to the show, I think characterizing the relationship between Kif and Brannigan as a male-bonding friendship is incorrect.  While Kif is sometimes influenced by Brannigan, his barely-suppressed loathing for Zap and his general ineptitude and Brannigan’s smug condescension towards his inferiors negate any notion of true friendly regard between the two. - 2 July 2006 20:44(UTC)
:I agree. I'm removing it unless anyone disagrees. --Foot Dragoon 00:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships 

message: I feel it is not needed to have information in this article based on speculation. Please add what may happen, but try to say it in a way that does not seem like it has already happened. There have not been 85 episodes yet and I believe we should keep it at 72 until they actually produce them. --WillMak050389 05:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 

message: While "ax" is now common pronunciation for "ask", it should be noted that "liberry" is not the common pronuncian for "library"--it is simply how Fry says it because he is stupid.
:Actually he calls it "library" in an episode with the Brainspawn as well. According to the commentary, it was just a reference to another comedian saying something along the lines of "You know someone is a jerk when they say 'liberry'" Wafulz 19:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linguistics 

message: How about we merge the two Futurama pages together?--Salvax 21:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We already did, see discussion above. --lightdarkness (talk) 21:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But there are still two different pages.  How about one Futurama page?--Salvax 22:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean changing Futurama/New article to a Redirect to the main page? Sure, you can do that. There's not that much point, though, since the only pages that actually link to that page are this very talk page, User talk pages, and WP:FUTU.  --SevereTireDamage 22:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take it to WP:MFD. It will be deleted. ViridaeTalk 23:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: No.  I mean to have only one page for Futurama incorporating both pages into one.  Not a redirect.--Salvax 00:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: No need for a MFD, just say the word and I'll delete it. --lightdarkness (talk) 00:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that makes it easier. If you are happy that the merge is completed, go ahead. ViridaeTalk 01:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All set, if for some reason someone wants the text, let me know and I'll restore it.  All of the text is now in the current article though, so we're all set. --lightdarkness (talk) 01:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One page 

message: Can I suggest a looking-atting of the character section? I don't think the 'A.K.A.' listings are right. They aren't also known as... I know the creator was intending to show how they are usually referred to (Phillip J. Fry as simply "Fry", but that's not an AKA... that's just "Usually referred to as". Frankly, since every character is refferred to by one portion of their name, I don't think they are necessary at all. If one wanted to, they could make note at the beginning of the section of how Leela, Fry and Zoidberg are usually referred to by their surnames as opposed to other characters, but if Hermes and Amy don't need AKA, Bender (Bender being his first name (shouldn't need it either. "Professor" being his title and job, "The Professor" isn't needed as an AKA, as that's what you naturally call someone in that position. Leela, Fry and Zoidberg are the only characters whose normal reference doesn't fall under standard practice, but either way, they are still called by part of their name, which I think is sufficiently clear (and I'm sure, expanded in their own articles) that the AKA's aren't needed in this one. Thoughts? TheHYPO 23:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Random sidenote, Leela doesn't go by her surname in the traditional sense. It's more like Asian or Bajoran names, where the family name comes first (yes, I'm a nerd). This is evidenced by the fact that she sends a letter to her parents, addressed to "Turanga Morris and Munda". Random sidenote. —Buddy13 03:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Names? 

message: Theres no mention of how the language has changed from todays normal. The most obvious example is the use of the word "axe" in place of "ask". Which If I remember correctly is used throughout almost the whole series.--Azslande 06:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There doesn't seem to be enough material to warrant a section on language.  The one you provided is the only example I can think of, except for random things like Uranus now being called Urectum and Christmas now being called Xmas.  Maybe this is better for the Trivia section.--CPitt76 23:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language Evolution 

message: I just noticed in the Treehouse episode Treehouse of Horror VII where Lisa creates the universe in a tub, and it grows to a futuristic state, "tubes" like futurama's can be seen in the tub. I thought it was an interesting connection between the two shows. The episode aired in 1996. TheHYPO 04:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want a connection, why not the Bart Simpson doll on the giant ball of 20th century garbage, or remains of a Bart parade balloon being used by the sewer mutants? --66.36.135.192 02:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because those are connections made to the existing Simpsons by the existing Futurama. The Treehouse reference was made years before Futurama existed, and thus wasn't a Futurama reference. I thought it was an interesting consistant element between the vision of future technology between the two shows which shared members of the creative team. TheHYPO 22:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simpsons connection 

message: This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of August 11, 2006, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: This is the biggest failure area.  When encyclopedia's deal with fictional topics, they must be written in an Out-of-universe perspective.  This is fictional and that should be reflected in the way the article is written.  Phrases that are inappropriate include: "Many problems that exist in the world today are still present," "Earth has a unified government called the United States of Earth," "Over the last 1,000 years, there have been some advances with the linguistics of the Futurama world." Also, the awards section needs to reformatted.  The two columns that don't match in legnth doesn't look polished.
:2. Factually accurate?: Fair.  Needs expansion, and no doubt with that expansion will need more references.
:3. Broad in coverage?: There is nothing under Season 5.  I don't know if that got blanked or not, but it needs to be corrected.  More should be included also about the writers and creators of the show.  Currently, there is a brief mention in the lead section, but I think there could be more about how the show was hatched, what voice actors are involved, animation, etc...  I think the request for expansion on the background section is pretty accurate.  Though Futurama doesn't have the age or pedigree of this show, see The Simpsons for an excellent example on what I'm talking about.  Not necessarily that comprehensive, but at least touching on all the topics covered there.
:4. Neutral point of view?: So far so good.
:5. Article stability? Also fair. A couple fannish battles and vandal skirmishes lately.  But it doesn't seem to be a chronic problem.
:6. Images?: The image :Image:Futurama-DVDs.jpg, though DVD covers, is not properly tagged.  This is for a shot of the DVD cover and nothing else.  This should probably be tagged a promo photo, but only if that is the case. I also question the PD claim on :Image:Alien decoder.PNG, since the image creator didn't create that alphabet.  This might be a problem.  There are also three screenshots on the page, and no more than two are permitted.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration.  Thanks for your work so far. 
--Esprit15d 21:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As it will need to be adressed eventually does anyone have an opinion on which of the screenshots to remove?  I would say the slurm poster one as it doesn't add as much to the article as the other two (the crew and the setting are more significant I would think).  Any opinions?  We might as well get it over with if we want to make another GA run someday.Stardust8212 14:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it has been over a month and no one has responded I took the initiative and did it, if you disagree please discuss here, don't just revert it.  Thanks! Stardust8212 16:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: "...and "ask" is an archaic pronunciation of "axe.""
technically its: "aks"
also it's dubious as to whether this is a "modernisation" (post yr2k) because in the episode where they travel back in time and to area 51 leela says "fry's from this time, i'll act like him" and then uses the word "aks" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.112.175 (talk • contribs) 
:...I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is. If anything, it can be safely assumed that Leela doesn't understand the difference between 1950s culture and 1990s culture, hence her inappropriate word choice. EVula 04:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, "I'll act like Fry" does not thus imply that every action and word she uses subsequently is then based on Fry's time. TheHYPO 18:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The official closed captioning(the one provided by FOX on the DVD) spells it "axe". What is your source for it being "aks"? TJ Spyke 21:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The captions should never be used as a reference. They are frequently wrong (e.g., the "fing-longer" is shown as the "thing longer"). —Buddy13 04:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the axe/aks thing too. Has this been settled? I'm pretty sure that "aks" is more correct since it is derived by transposing two of the letters that spell "ask" Tengchaw 23:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not entirely sure it makes a big difference. Reasonably if we say "it is now pronounced axe" or "it is now pronounced aks"  we're really saying the same thing as they are both pronounced the same way. If we said "it is written axe/aks" that would make a difference. Unless there is an official source (and the subtitles are really the closest thing we have, even if they are known to be incorrect at times) I don't think we can really settle on one or the other. How are other show spellings determined? Such as Ndnd or Lrrr having 3 r's instead of 2? Stardust8212 23:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't considered pronunciation v. spelling, but I would think that it should make a little bit of difference. I also completely ignored the earlier posts regarding the spelling in the subtitles (I know, I should have RTFA--I'm truly sorry). But if the subtitles have been shown to be unreliable (e.g., fing-longer), than shouldn't axe/aks be corrected? Tengchaw 07:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I should also add, in this case, aks/axe is clearly a reference to a current colloquial word (as opposed to Ndnd or Lrrr). If we accept that it's a reference to a contemporary word, than I think it's clear that "aks" is the appropriate spelling, no? Tengchaw 07:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: well technically

message: Hi regular posters!
I noticed that the page doesn't mention the Annie Ron Weiner won for "Fryrish."  I can add it myself, but you guys seem to be working on getting this page cleaned up for a Good Article award, and I didn't want to mess around with portions that you don't want messed with. Officer 1BDI 07:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and add it.  Speaking of which, it would probably be better to directly source each award's website for nominations and wins instead of citing IMDb.  Thoughts? Jtrost (T | C | #) 17:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe someone already added it, but Officer 1BDI remember to be bold. Also, I think we should cite one website for awards and not an nth number of imdb pages. --WillMak050389 02:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Annie Award Win

message: This addition looks like a big advertisement for some website. I think it should be removed. All in favor... Stardust8212 23:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it.  It was clearly an ad. Jtrost (T | C | #) 23:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An ad? I did not include the Futurama Collector's Bag to "advertise" it as I have absolutely nothing to gain from doing so. I felt it was a worthy addition to the article for those interested in seeing the various ways in which Futurama is being released on DVD in region 4 and abroad. Sillygostly 05:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's irrelevant really. The bag is just a package that contains the 4 existing releases. It's not a new release, it's merely a bundling of the old releases. It may be a valid point in an article on all futurama merchandise, but the main article should only deal with actual new collections of episodes (not a bundling of the sets already listed). TheHYPO 15:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futurama Collector's Bag 

message: why did my input about the 2nd alien language get removed? i heard it from matts own bludey mouth that their is a second alien language that looks exactly like the 1st one but you have to go back 2 letters from the original letter for the right one, but no i cant be right. wtf? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.148.243 (talk • contribs) 
:Is there a way to know which episode commentary this is from? I don't remember hearing this, but if it is true we could cite that commentary. --WillMak050389 02:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, list an episode; I don't remember hearing anything like that anywhere... Buddy13 02:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted it because, if you "READ THE F'N ARTICLE", you'll see that the article already mentions the second language and its modular form not 2 sentances before where you put your edit. Also, your edit was very poorly written and didn't fit into the structure of the paragraph you crammed it into. TheHYPO 04:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  listen to all of the f'ing dvd commentarys and you will see that im right 

message: Someone gives an example that shows that french has died out (universal translator), stating that the Prof's translator only responds in French. However, this doesn't seem to prove that French has died off without more clarification. To me it shows that French exists... TheHYPO 08:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The professor says something along the lines of the universal translator only translating into an unitelligible dead language.  Then it translates "Hello" to "Bonjour" and the professor complains that its nonsense.  Not sure how to sum that up more clearly. Stardust8212 11:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried clearing it up. Anybody able to word that more elegantly is welcome to edit it. — Mütze 12:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, during Space Pilot 3000, during the first (2000) New Year's countdown, france is shown and they say their number in French. During the second countdown, when France is shown (this time with a hovering Eiffel Tower), they speak their number in English. A subtle hint, but still supports the idea that French has died out. However, contradictory information is also present. Zoidberg says a French phrase (I don't know French and wouldn't even begin trying to spell out what he said), I believe in The 30% Iron Chef. The restaurant orbiting Planet Amazonia was named "Le Palm D'Orbit". And finally, though I personally consider the comics rather low in the canon-scale, in Whole Lotta Leela, Leela says she's learning French. So, there you have it. I just confused the matter even further! Buddy13 19:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Although it may be a running joke, French is indeed still present in the show.  Another example is when Bender speaks it in the robot insane asylum as part of his Napolean imitation. 199.126.137.209 05:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What Zoidberg says is "j'accuse!", though maybe there should be accents. I think it means "I accuse (you)!", which is what the others were doing at the time (accusing Bender of bending things). The other appearances of French are as the name of a restaurant and when Bender imitates Napoleon ("Je suis Napoleon," "I am Napoleon"). Not really evidence that French is not a dead language, considering establishments can have Latin names, and people quote Latin phrases. Of course, this means it isn't "unintelligible", except maybe to the Professor. -Switch t 09:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  French? 

message: I was wondering should we have an article(s) devoted to the audio commentaries of the show? Seeing as how this is one of the only shows to have ever episode of the series have an audio commentary to it and how they seem to be extremely interesting and reveal interesting  details.CartoonDiablo 14:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An entire article dedicated to audio commentaries would be considered fancruft.  If there are particular notable and encyclopedic parts of the audio commentary that are relevent to this article, you are welcome to add them as long as they are properly cited. Jtrost (T | C | #) 15:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Keep in mind I'm not advertising, but such an article might be appropriate for a Futurama-centric Wiki, such as my own or the other listed at the bottom of the Futurama article.  Buddy13 20:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Audio Commentaries

message: Is the game still available in stores?-66.169.124.10 16:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on the store. It is still available from many online retailers, though. Just do a Google search. ♠ SG →Talk 10:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends moreso on the country. Some local video game distributors may have decided to discontinue the game. However, the game is still widely available at a budget price in Australia. And due to the new-found popularity of Futurama in Australia, I don't see any signs of the game being discontinued anytime soon on our shores. Sillygostly 03:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Futurama game

message: I noticed redoing the awards section was on the to-do list, so I've redone it with a more compact style. I also used pipe syntax instead of pure HTML tables to make it simpler. If you don't like my changes, please revert. What do you think? ♠ SG →Talk 10:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it looks pretty good, the only odd thing I see is that the "Nominations" Heading being centered over the two columns is a bit confusing, it is hard to tell at first glance if it it two columns of wins and one of noms or vice versa.  I think it might look better if the heading was just over the first column rather than centered.  It would just look better IMHO but I don't know how to do it.  Other than that...good work! Stardust8212 17:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed! All I had to do was use a "text-align: left" CSS style. ♠ SG →Talk 21:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards section

message: Ok, I've read two things. First, that there are thirteen new episodes in production, to be aired alongside old ones on Comedy Central, in 2008. Second, that the four direct to DVD films are actually each being broken up into four twenty-two minute "episodes", making the total count at sixteen "episodes" and no new ones are being made at all (aside for the films).
I've read more of the former then of the latter, but what is the straight goods here? Chewbacca1010 19:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Officially Back or Not?

message: Specifics are better and assist the article in my opinion, just trying to avoid undue conflict by asking for opinions of others here. Man in black seems to disagree. Chieftain Rosewater 15:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume this is in regards to your recent edit conflict? It might be helpful to give a little more detail for those who don't already know what you're talking about.  I agree with the Man in Black that a lot of small "one-off" type jokes do not belong on the main Futurama page.  Many of the minor details are discussed in the specific episode pages or character/item specific pages. For example Ron Popeil is discussed here.  In the previous version of this article lots of people added small details from one-off jokes which they personally thought were important.  The overall result was not a better more informative article but a hodge podge of random info which was poorly written, poorly organized and generally didn't read well at all.  Much of this was removed in the new slimmed down version and for those of us that think this version represents a significant improvement it is natural to remove additions which are seen as leading back towards the older version. This at least explains my viewpoint, I would rather leave the Ron Popeil trivia factoid out. (Sorry, that was more than I originally intended to write) Stardust8212 17:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ron Popeil and specifics on which world the show parodies

message: What is the benefit to the article of this section? It merely sums up a bunch of unrelated events and gags without really saying too much about the series. We already have articles about episodes, so this sort of business is redundant. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 16:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, kill it. Adds nothing to the article. EVula 16:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I said the same thing months ago, but noone listened. TheHYPO 17:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the bright side, though, at least you finally got to kill it. :-) EVula 18:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season synopses 

message: Can anyone verify that Amy Wong's second language is really Cantonese. My Cantonese is a little rusty (haven't spoken it in many years), but I do not think that Amy speaks/curses in Cantonese. 
Thanks for any comments
203.129.147.144 14:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't site the episode, but it is mentioned in the commentaries once or twice, though never by Lauren Tom herself. Buddy13 21:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She does speak cantonese, she says 我要打死你 (translation: I will kill you) in one of the episodes and Bender repeats it. Go Futurama! Sp3000 01:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amy Wong's second language 

message: 30th Century Fox redirects here, yet there is no mention of it anywhere on the page. 206.165.101.124 13:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there isn't enough information about it for its own article and in the grand scheme of things its probably not even significant enough for a mention on this page, I can't think of anything encyclopedic to say about it. Stardust8212 18:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the story is quite interesting and deserves a mention, the problem is finding a reliable source for it. EnsRedShirt 08:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a story? What is it? --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 23:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The story is that the crew wanted to make a fake "30th Century Fox" logo for the end of each episode and asked 20th Century Fox to do this.  They refused because they thought it would cost too much.  The crew made it anyway and it turns out it only cost about 50 dollars to do, which the studio duly reimbursed them for.  It's all discussed in one of the DVD commentaries, probably the first episode. WesleyDodds 01:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. That is an interesting story. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 09:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. I'm not sure that's worth mentioning in the article, but it was a fun little read. Anyway, it makes sense that 30th C. Fox redirects here, even if it's not mentioned- if there's nothing to say (or nothing worth saying), it might as well be a redirect. -- Kicking222 22:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, the likelihood of someone looking for 30th Century Fox not in conjunction with its use in Futurama is pretty low. If they look for it, they're probably expecting this page. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't it be redirected to 20th Century Fox since it is actually a parody of the production company. 141.150.111.203 15:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is only used in Futurama, so redirecting it would just cause more confusion. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  30th Century Fox 

message: Sorry to everyone to have to do this, but I have listed this article as being on hold for the next 7 days. My reason for this is the existence of a "citation needed" tag within the 'DVD and future movies' section which needs an adequate reference to back up the fact. Once this has been done I will be happy to reassess the article again. Wikiwoohoo 21:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it listed as such on imdb but I'm not sure that counts as a reliable source.  My suggestion would be that if we can't find a reliable source for that piece of information that we simply remove it, I don't think it would damage the article significantly to remove it. Anyone else have better luck finding a source? Stardust8212 01:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As no source has come forward I have removed the offending statement, please carry on with your review. Stardust8212 16:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Congratulations! I have decided that the article in its present state is a good article. Well done to all those involved. Wikiwoohoo 21:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article on hold (2 December 2006)

message: It states in the trivia section that Xiaolin Showdown makes a reference to becoming your own grandfather, and that this is in fact taken from Futurama.
I see no reason why this should be considerred trivia as the storyline of becoming ones own grandfather is common in science fiction comedies today, there is even a song called "I'm my own Grandpa".
If none of you have any objections I believe that part should be removed from the trivia section.
Zimopia 19:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This section of the article was completely removed earlier today so it should not be an issue. Thanks for keeping a watchful eye! Stardust8212 19:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "I'm My Own Grampa", for the record, has nothing to do with science fiction, time travel or time paradoxes. Regardless, the entire trivia section (such as it was - some mentions of Simpsons references and Xialoin Showdown) has been removed. -Switch t 20:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, it's back as of right now, and should really be re-removed.  I don't know if that trips the three edit rule or not, not being much of a Wikipedian myself.  I'll leave the work to someone else. --70.166.64.3 19:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 3RR only applies to three reverts in one day. Reverting the same nonsense repeatedly over a longer period of time is fine. I'll remove it. ~Switch t c g 05:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section. 

message: It seems like there should be a better way to deal with this rather than having a Top Level section header which contains nothing but a link.  Perhaps it could be moved to the DVD rlease section as a short intro such as "Futurama consists of 72 episodes which have been released as four volumes on DVD..." followed by the table.  I think it would be good to find a way to not have two sections one of which consists of a table with no explanatory text and the other which is just a link to another article, it would improve the article significantly in my mind. Does anyone else have suggestions about what to do about this.  As usual I will go ahead with my evil plans if I don't get any opposing opinions in the next week.  Stardust8212 18:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futurama Episodes 

message: Is it worth requesting semi-protection of this page? --cfp 19:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've warned the anon editor to stop vandalizing the page; if it happens again, they'll get a block thrown up. If it still continues after the block, I'll protect the page. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Ahh sorry, I requested semi-protection before I saw your comment. Didn't realise you had it under control. --cfp 19:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried requesting semi-protection, but they said there wasn't enough recent activity, which I beg to differ... --AAA! (AAAA • AAAAAAAA) 23:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh well one way or another it's semi-protected now. It shows that the process isn't exactly flawless... Still we got there in the end, so we can't complain. --cfp 00:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the proper thing would have been to warn the user after the first time they vandalized the article; by the third time happened, they could have been blocked, thereby removing the need to protect the article. "Deal with the problem, not the victim" is my philosophy in such things. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye you're probably right. Still looking in the history I counted 8 different vandalising IPs, so blocking one individual may not have had much effect in any case. --cfp 12:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reported the vandal(s) to WP:RFI for using sockpuppets to add UPN nonsense. Me and David Levy are currently taking care of him. --AAA! (AAAA • AAAAAAAA) 12:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I was just reading the "Galactic politics" section and was surprised by some of the information in it. It states for instance "Much of the Milky Way Galaxy now operates under the Earth government's sphere of influence", is this really true? I never really got that impression from watching the show, certainly Earth seemed to be invading some weak planets, but does Earth really hold power over the Galaxy? For one thing the Earth was invaded many times by seemingly superior aliens, so they obviously aren't that Militarily dominant.
The second thing was the statement on the DOOP "The Democratic Order Of Planets (D.O.O.P.) was founded in 2945 after the Second Galactic War", where does this information come from? was it ever stated in the show? because I don't seem to remember it. --Hibernian 17:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't remember the date of its formation being mentioned, but it could be. As for the sphere of influence, I would probably strike it. Earth doesn't seem to be as dominant as Kif Kroker's race, for example. However, which of the invaders came from within the Milky Way? The Brainspawn didn't, I have no idea about the Decapodians, and the Omicronians almost certainly are from this galaxy (their plaet is shown as being outside ths galaxy sometimes, but if they're only 1000 light years away, that's not really possible. ~Switch t 07:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galactic politics facts? 

message: What does this mean: "Television is a primary form of entertainment, though the resolution is in fact higher than 31st century reality." ? It's set in the 31st century, so how can TVs be higher resolution than they are? If it's a typo, and it's supposed to say "21st century", then it's an odd way of phrasing the sentence anyway. --DudeGalea 23:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a silly inference based on a mediocre joke. In one episode Fry says something akin to "But TV has better resolution than real life." I think we should simply change it to say, "Television is a primary form of entertainment" and explain it's importance in the show. - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 23:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV resolution 

message: why does alienese redirect to the futurama? did they delete alienese?
--kozmic|sk8r 10:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found a link to this in the History of Alienese: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alienese. - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 02:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why does alienese redirect here? 

message: I removed the 30th century fox logo as the article criteria states that no more than 2 screenshots should be used and that makes three.  The cast and setting shots add much more to the article whereas the logo can be explained by a simple sentance.
I removed the bit about "Bender is the oldest crew member" as it is a spoiler for "Roswell That Ends Well" along with being a one episode joke that is not character defining for Bender. Also until that point Bender is only four years old and the youngest crew member so the statement is somewhat misleading to a casual fan. Also over explanation of the plot of each episode should not be included in that section.
Thirdly I removed the statement that the fonts could be downloaded on fan websites as that seems to be a rather unencyclopedic item and a bit too trivial for my tastes.  
If anyone takes issue with these items I'd be happy to discuss. Stardust8212 20:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's unencyclopedic, meaning something I wouldn't consider to belong in an encyclopedia.  Also the focus of the article is the television show, why and how it is significant or notable.  Saying that the font can be downloaded from a fansite does not give more insight into the show nor does it explain more about the importance of the language itself.  Just because something is unequivicably true doesn't mean it belongs here.  Or at least that was my reasoning.  Of course this is the encyclopedia which can be editted by anyone so I don't have the final say in the matter by any means. Stardust8212 22:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  edits 1/25 

message: According to a possbily broken collection that I have access to, it seems that there is another numbering scheme. For example, my collection's Season 1 contains only nine episodes, the remaining four are placed at the beginning of the Season Two. And some episodes' order is swapped as well... Is it another naming scheme (from other country, fex), or just some error that got spread over the network?
Jkt 00:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really sure but could it be the numbering scheme from the order they were aired? I believe they were aired as five seasons but meant to be four so maybe it's that numbering scheme? Not sure what differences there would be from that. Just an idea. Stardust8212 02:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 4 seasons. The fifth season only contains episodes that never originally aired. --AAA! (AAAA) 02:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbering of the episodes 

message: Hey all, I cleaned up the talk page by merging the peer review, failed FA and GA boxes into a single box (I got the idea from Talk:DNA, hope nobody minds, if you do feel free to restore the old version.  I think there may be a failed GA and a peer review possibly missing from the list but I don't know when/where they are right now, if I track them down they can be added pretty easily. The talk page should probably be archived again as well but I haven't figured out how to do that yet.  Anyway, does anybody else think it's time this article goes through peer review again? I'd like to see it promoted to Featured status before the new material is released (vague goal, I know). Stardust8212 00:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the opening paragraph wrong, re: 30th Century Fox?  Doesn't the series take place in the Thirty-FIRST century?  I'm not totally certain, but I believe this may be the case. Keen Machine 20:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The logo is a direct spoof of 20th Century Fox and is correct. -th1rt3en 21:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup talk page and peer review?

message: Does anyone think Scruffy should be included in the character list? Goldfishsoldier 00:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. Stardust8212 04:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: He's a thrice-off joke. He appears in as many episodes as the guy with a mumuu with a 9 on it and the censor bar couple, just for some perspective. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Mom, Zapp, Kif and even Cubert play more significant roles in the series than Scruffy and those are still not considered major characters. If we listed every character here that had some lines and a joke we'd be recreating the various lists of recurring characters and it would just bog down the page without adding anything useful. Stardust8212 18:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Scruffy? 

message: I just wrote the page Science humour. The final section is "Humour in science fiction". I mentioned Futurama, Douglas Adams, etc. Could you please head over, and help develop the article? Cheers, samwaltz 18:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Science humour

message: THERE ARE FIVE SEASONS OF FUTURAMA, NOT INCLUDING THE NEW ONES!!!
if u look at wen they are aired, they are out of chronological order!!!!!!! it makes no sense!!!! SUM ONE FIX THIS!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.166.42 (talk) 04:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Be Bold and fix it yourself DXRAW 04:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather you didn't fix it yourself, because you're wrong. There were five airing seasons of Futurama, but only four production seasons. Four were made, but they were aired out of order and, as a result, in five "seasons." Only four seasons were made. In most countries, they were aired as four seasons. They were released on DVD as four seasons. That the broadcasting company didn't care to respect the wishes of the creators has no impact. ~Switch t c g 05:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  THIS IS ALL WRONG!!!!!! 

message: Here's an article on several new direct-to-DVD Futurama movies that will be released soon if you want to include it in the DVD section. I'm sure you could look for other sources if necessary, this was just the first place I spotted it. --Nehrams2020 19:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Direct-to-DVD news

message: How come they are listed as guest stars? Their characters (Amy Wong and Hermes Conrad, respectively) are on the show as much as the others. Why are they guests stars instead of normal stars?
:It's how they're credited. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But what I want to know is WHY they were credited as guests and not normal cast members. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.62.231.2 (talk) 22:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lauren Tom and Phil LaMarr

message: I added a section about the show's ratings (or what I could find on them). I couldn't find much of anything, but it's a start I suppose. Chickenmonkey 15:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ratings

message: In the article, "cryonically" and "cryogenically" continue to be swapped back and forth. I see that this was discussed some time back, but I don't know if it was agreed upon what should be said in the article (it apparently didn't stick if it was). The correct term would be "cryonically". Many things can be speculated: perhaps they used "cryogenics" instead of "cryonics" by accident (not likely given the circumstances, but possible), perhaps the "Applied Cryogenics" name was a false front to hide the fact that the company was practicing "cryonics", perhaps the lab really was a cryogenics lab, perhaps it was a cryogenics lab when it was named. Another possibility, and what I believe is the case, cryonics is an application of cryogenics, so perhaps naming the company "Applied Cryogenics" was a clever use of words by the writers. No matter what the case, the proper word to use when referring to Fry's freezing is "cryonically". Chickenmonkey 11:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, when refering to the company name is likely the only appropriate time to call it cryogenics. I think this is the same conclusion we had before. Stardust8212 15:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently, I'm viewing a few sites to see if it's "cryonically" or "cryogenically". So far I've found nothing, but I'm still looking. Anyway, why can't we just add both? Such as: "The series follows the adventures of a former New York City pizza delivery boy, Philip J. Fry after he is cryonically (or "cryogenically", which is said in the show) frozen at midnight." We still should at least point out that they say "cyrogenically" instead of "cryonically" in the show. --AAA! (AAAA) 01:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But they don't say he was "cryogenically" frozen in the show that I ever recall (correct me if I'm wrong) the only reference in the show is that the company is named "Applied cryogenics". Cryonics is a way of applying cryogenic technology so the name is not technically incorrect, however when referring to how Fry was frozen the correct term is cryonically. Or well, I think that's correct, I'm relatively positive, but it's not my area of expertise.  Stardust8212 02:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I also don't remember them ever referring to a freezing (Fry's or anyone else's) as "cryogenic" in the show. In the episode summary of "Space Pilot 3000" on the back of the DVD it says "After an accidental cryogenic freezing, Fry awakens at the dawn of the year 3000". I still wouldn't include "cryogenic" or "cryogenically" in the article, but I dunno. Chickenmonkey 10:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if that's what it says on the DVD cover, then I'm for to keep it "cryogenic". --AAA! (AAAA) 10:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This question has been killing me too. Since the show says cryongenics, that's my opinion. --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 10:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this "The series follows the adventures of a former New York City pizza delivery boy, Philip J. Fry after he is cryonically frozen in a cryogenics lab at midnight, December 31, 1999, and is revived one thousand years in the future"? Chickenmonkey 10:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, because that might sound confusing. --AAA! (AAAA) 11:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the point is, it can be described as a "cryogenic" freezing. Factually, it can be, but cryonically is more descriptive. It's like saying something is "blue" or saying it's "baby blue". Both are correct, but one says more. So I don't think "cryonically" should be replaced by "cryogenically". I'm sure there's a better way to say it than how I did, though. Chickenmonkey 11:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd compare it more to "coloured" or "blue", but the point is the same. I don't understand the rationale for including "cryogenically" either. I mean, he was cryonically frozen. Even if the show says "cryogenically" - and a DVD blurb doesn't count in my opinion - that's not reason for the article to. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 13:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Just a suggestion here but would it be wrong of us to simply avoid the issue completely and say he was "frozen for 1000 years" just leave this bit out entirely? Yes it would be slightly less informative but the details of how he was frozen are sketchy at best and it's not really integral to the plot. This is clearly a more hotly debated topic than I initially realized. Alternatively, are there any sources besides the box which refer to this one way or another? Stardust8212 13:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the box a good source, actually. But so far, I haven't found any sites. --AAA! (AAAA) 14:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Well... the entire situation is a hard one to clarify. On one hand, the chamber Fry is frozen in may have been a cryogenic chamber so his freezing could be referred to as "cryogenically" in that respect (why Billy West may have used the term, or he might have misused it); which, those chambers, whether they're cryogenic chambers or cryonic chambers, are shown to have been used cryonically (the scene where the cryogenicist points to the sign "You can solve all your problems by freezing them" then frozen people are shown). Then again, the title of an episode is "The Cryonic Woman" which seems to show that the writers can use words (which isn't surprising given the education the writing staff has). The only time I can recall anything close to "cryogenically" being used in proximity to freezing is when Pauly Shore explains how he came to be frozen (something about his interest being peaked by cryogenics; which he could have searched for a cryogenics lab, found Applied Cryogenics, and they offered to cryonically freeze him). Really, the bottom line is either term can be used and either term would be accurate, but cryonically is more accurate and less confusing to a reader. Chickenmonkey 03:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if the box said cryogenically, and Billy West in the video said cryogenically, then I'm voting for "cyryogenically". Why not do this: use "cryogenically", and link it to "cryonics", so it would be like "cryogenically", or cryogenically ? --AAA! (AAAA) 06:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Billy West is not a scientist and the box was not written by a scientist. Unless quoting directly (in which case a  template should be used), there's no reason to use jargon incorrectly. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 14:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cryonics/Cryogenics... again

message: I'd say much of the information contained in the "recurring jokes and catch phrases" section shouldn't be in this article, as most of it is charater-specific information that would be better served in their individual articles. Chickenmonkey 14:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 14:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I also agree, the information is mostly already in the character pages. Stardust8212 14:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As the original author of that section, I see your point.  Realize I was trying to mirror a similar section from The Simpsons which includes a lot of information already listed on character pages.  Obviously, the Simpsons universe is more dense so I didn't have as much to choose from.  Feel free to edit the section at will, but perhaps an understanding of my motivation will make you see it in a different light.  Hoof Hearted 18:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recurring jokes and catch phrases

message: How come there hasn't been any new episodes recently?
Pece Kocovski 05:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a "hiatus" - a stop in production. --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 07:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But note that it is scheduled to resume on Comedy Central in 2008.  Hoof Hearted 18:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to Futurama? 

message: This:
:"Futurama's setting is first and foremost a backdrop, and the writers are not above committing continuity errors if they serve to further the gags."
... was recently removed as being "opinion". I certainly believe it's true and I think it can be cited (and perhaps written more clearly). I thought I would place it here so anyone else, if they might remember where it can be cited from, can put it back in or I'll do it when I get a chance to search for a cite. Chickenmonkey 03:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that has been discussed at least once in the audio commentaries. I only have access to season 3 on DVD though. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 10:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Setting section

message: It looks like this article has the show winning every emmy it was nominated for, but imdb lists only three wins.  I don't know enough to say "imdb is right and wikipedia isn't", so I thought I'd mention it here, and hopefully someone who knows better than me can correct the article or me. 
--Bsteger 04:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article only lists three Emmy wins, the other five are under the subheading "Nominations" if you could suggest a more meaningful way to represent this please do. I personally find it relatively straight-forward and a lot nicer looking than what was there before (it was changed some months ago, I believe). Stardust8212 04:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, an editor had changed all the Emmy noms into wins. I reverted it. I believe that's what Bsteger was referring to. Chickenmonkey 04:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I must have been looking at the recently corrected version then. Timing is everything, good catch. Stardust8212 05:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emmy Wins/Nominations 

message: I'm not sure what Heycos is looking for in this edit.  If the stories are set up as hypothetical, do we need a reference saying they're non-canon?  Are we splitting hairs as to what canon means since one could argue that since the frame tale is "real", at least the telling of the stories "really" happened?  Do we need a citation that Leela didn't actually murder the rest of the crew and Bender didn't ever become human?  I've searched for an authoritive source that says the Anthology of Interest episodes are non-canon, but I can't find anything more than fan sites and blog threads.  Finally, I will point out that Treehouse of Horror (series) contains no such reference.  Hoof Hearted 14:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesn't need citation. If the stories are fictional within the series, obviously they aren't canon. "The stories are all self-contained, introduced in a frame tale story, and considered non-canon". There's nothingin that sentence that could be contested. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 09:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> template on Anthology of Interest 

message: I have a very knowledgeable musician who has told me that the main musical theme of Futurama is taken from the french musical - 
Pierre Henry & Michel Colombier: Messe Pour Le Temps Présent.
The theme is reputed to come from the song Psyche Rock
I'm trying to locate a copy. Can anyone corroborate?
Progman3K 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's on iTunes. This BBC page  says that the theme was inspired by Psyche Rock, but it also links back to the WP Pierre Henry page which says the same thing, and it's unsourced (so it's possible the BBC just took unsourced info from WP). I can't remember Christopher Tyng ever talking about the theme itself in any of the DVD commentaries he did.CelebrityApe 08:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible addition to Opening_sequence section of main article 

message: I can't wait until Futurama returns, becuz i love watching the show on Adult Swim. I've seen every episode and i can't wait until a direct-to-video movie will come out. Futurama is going to be a new ride at all Universal theme parks, right after the Simpsons ride is made. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.93.96.105 (talk) 23:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futurama the Return 

message: I noticed that User:Hucz recently changed the image in the infobox to an image of some of the primary characters instead of the title screen image. I believe having the title screen image is standard and this image is somewhat redundant to the image of primary characters shown below, but I wanted to make sure this was not discussed previously before I changed it back. --WillMak050389 20:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've not seen any previous discussion of changing the image and I agree that the title screen is a better option. As cast photos go the pre-existing picture is superior as it shows all the primary characters rather than the selection of primary and secondary caracters from the new addition. Stardust8212 21:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary image