Talk:Ski touring

message: I added a couple external links to what are generally accepted in the backcountry community as valuable ski-touring information resources like Lou Dawson's Wild Snow page. They were deleted twice even though they are not spam & offer real information that is a valuable supplement to this article. What's the problem, exactly? Can I put them back?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.71.154.154 (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I think ski touring and ski mountaineering should be merged under backcountry skiing.  I am not sure when touring ends and ski mountaineering begins.  This weekend we skied from the summit of a mountain, but it was really just a tour to some nice powder (the only powder we have gotten this year).  I am trying to ski the 10 highest peaks in Nevada, none of which are technical, but I think that is ski mountaineering because of the effort required to get to the summit.  All of that falls under backcountry skiing though.SierraSkier 20:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with a merger.  Backcountry skiing, off-piste skiing, etc. are terms which specify where the skiing occurs, while ski touring, ski mountaineering, and extreme skiing are terms which describe what type of skiing is being done.  For example, you could take a ski tour across the gentle lower slopes of a ski area, or do a ski mountaineering trip up and down a steep peak within a ski area boundary (as actually happens during randonee rally races).  Obviously, neither activity qualifies as backcountry skiing.  I think the distinction between where and what which is implicit in the various terms is important to maintain.  The articles here on Wikipedia were all muddied and unclear, just as most skiers are also unclear about the distinctions, but I have been trying to clarify the language in each article.  --Seattle Skier (See talk tierS) 20:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I had never thought of it that way.  I see your point and it is a worthwhile distinction.  I can't imagine taking a tour or ski mountaineering inbounds, but I guess it is possible.  I always thought of touring as general backcountry skiing, yoyoing a slope or going out with my very pregnant wife.  I think of ski mountaineering as skiing a mountain, preferably from the summit, and most preferably down an elegant line.  I do a lot of hiking inbounds but is it really ski mountaineering if ski patrol is there to pick up any broken pieces?  SierraSkier 01:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  We actually have quite a few people up here (WA) who go ski touring inbounds.  Sometimes, when the bc conditions are just awful (trap crust, deep concrete, etc.), but you still want to get some excercise and turns without spending any $, the best place to go is the groomers at a ski area.  Most ski areas up here tolerate skinning up the edges of trails, although a couple of them don't.  I don't do it much myself, I prefer either real bc skiing on big wilderness mountains or else pay the money to ride the lifts.  --Seattle Skier (See talk tierS) 06:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with the the merger (for now) as I do not see a distinction. In my view, "ski touring" and "ski mountaineering" are the same. I cannot imagine calling a hike up/across a groomed ski slope a "ski tour". Tour implies traversing a long path. Perhaps we need another term for that activity. In my opinion, we are using the word "tour"  here without giving it much forethought. I have to ask, is "tour" really the go-to word in the English language? I does seem more like a marketing word, because I know skiers who have never heard of this activity, but immediately recognize it after I say ski mountaineering or backcountry skiing. ::: Agentxp22 (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Ski Mountaineering and Backcountry Skiing?

message: Please just state facts about the equipment not your personal opinion of each type. Shogun 05:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Weasel words

message: I found some ski touring material on Wikifox20 user page. Can someone verify and possible merge this if it contain something relevant? When verified I propose removal of the material, since it mess up the categories and wikipedia links. Maybe contacting the user could be a good idea. --Kslotte (talk) 12:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Wikifox20 

message: This is an interesting topic that deserves better treatment. It is long and rambling. It has only three references, all of which point to the same website. As of 9 Dec. 2012 it contains about 20 sections of wholly unreferenced text. It contains prose such as "Needless to say, backcountry skiing can also be done in Perú and Bolivia." It looks like about half the article was added by an anonymous user back around June 2006 and has stood ever since. It's time to be bold and fix it. I propose that this article be pruned back and that appropriate content be added. The fact that it has had a cleanup flag on it since 2008 indicates that is is unloved, perhaps because of the already enormous and confusing redundancy with ski touring, backcountry skiing, and ski_mountaineering, which given the amount of good content could probably be combined into one decent article. Then there is further redundancy across cross-country skiing, Telemark skiing, Nordic skiing, skiing, ski, heliskiing, ski boot, ski pole, ski binding, etc. --Cornellier (talk) 12:02 pm, Today (UTC−5)
--Cornellier (talk) 17:37, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This article goes against a number of Wikipedia policies including, but not limited to, WP:NOTPROMOTION, WP:VERIFY, WP:ORIGINAL, and WP:NOTESSAY, which means that "great swaths" of it needs either to find references or be deleted. --Cornellier (talk) 03:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: The state of this article

message: Good points, Cornellier. Unfortunately, there just isn't a great deal of written information to reference on this subject. 
And every time someone proposes (or begins) a clean up, they are generally not a real skier and discount the significant differences between all the various types of skiing, and the radical differences in skiing caused by topography and infrastructure that non-skiers don't think of as skiing-related.
It's like suddenly deciding to combine all team sports into one category because essentially they are all the same thing: two small groups of people competing to score points by moving a ball to a specific location.
It might make sense to try to come up with a reasonable outline, move the current content into it, then start cleaning it up a little at a time, rather than combining and deleting in great swaths.
--Xeliff
::This article goes against a number of Wikipedia policies including, but not limited to, WP:NOTPROMOTION, WP:VERIFY, WP:ORIGINAL, and WP:NOTESSAY, which means that "great swaths" of it needs either to find references or be deleted. --Cornellier (talk) 03:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Outline?