Talk:Biržai

message: Lysy, polonising all the names before PLC was created is a little bit too much, don't you think?--Lokyz 14:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I just cut short the wikilinks, but took care that both Polish and Lithuanian names are mentioned so that the reader is not confused. I don't mind putting the Lithuanian form first if you'd prefer that. --Lysytalk 14:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Done. To answer your question, I don't think that Polinising the names before PLC is wrong, as Lithuania was under heavy Polish language influence before PLC as well. Anyway, I've changed the order so that the Lithuanian version is more prominent than Polish. --Lysytalk 14:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know about Polonisation, although IMO, it's another one place where influence of written language is a bit overestimated (like in the case of Ruthenian). In short - many of "Polonised" nobiles used three or more languages - one for writing, one for eveyday life and so on, so polonisation was rather partial. An amongst them Lithuanian as not  the last (it did finally lost positions aproximately in the middle of 17-th century). Only proof there, that's missing is Lithuanian written language. That's what I know from my sudies - you might have another impression, based on your readings.--Lokyz 15:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we don't really know what it was like and we can only hypothetise about how deep and when this process of Polonisation was. Of course one can find more or less extreme theories and it's probably possible to find some arguments supporting either of them in a more or less reasonable way. It's a pity that historic research has been used to support political agenda of the 20th century countries. My hope is that now we will be at least able to understand how relative all this is and that the fact that Polish language influenced Lithuanian past does not mean that Poles were better or worse, only that much of the history was common. And probably in this common history there are more things that both countries can be proud of instead of being ashamed. --Lysytalk 15:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: That's a rely to Novickas inquiry on user:Lokyz talk. In short: a mess!
Version A. The earliest date is 1415. According to Mūsų Lietuva by Bronius Kviklys, in 1415 Jogaila visited Lithuania and briefly stopped in Biržai, where a wooden castle stood. However, according to Lietuviškoji enciklopedija, this information comes from Michał Baliński and is unreliable. 
Version B. According to Encyclopedia Lituanica, Grand Duke Casimir IV Jagiellon granted his properties in Biržai to his secretary Gregory Fedko (Grigorijus/Grigas Fetkonis) (no year specified). According to Lietuviškoji enciklopedija, Fedko died in 1492. After his death the property passed on to his wife Anna Radziwiłł, who then passed it along to her brother Jerzy Radziwiłł and to his son Mikołaj "the Red" Radziwiłł. The same information is repeated in Mūsų Lietuva.
Version C. According to Kelionių vadovas po Lietuvą, on April 14, 1455 Casimir IV Jagiellon granted Radvila Astikas a privilege to settle six families in Biržai. The possession was developed by Astikas' son Mikalojus Radvila the Old and then his son Jerzy Radziwiłł. 
Version D. According to Bižai municipality website, the city was mentioned in 1450 when Mikalojus Radvila the Old gifted a piece of forest to Biržai resident Nemelis. However, very detailed study Lietuvos diduomenė XIV a. pabaigoje – XV a. by Rimvydas Petrauskas mentions that Mikalojus apperas in written sources only in 1463.  
Dunno even what to think... None of the versions fit facts known from elsewhere. Renata (talk) 00:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After reading some of the sources, I'd stick with Petrauskas version.--Lokyz (talk) 23:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

text: P.S. - dear User:Renata3 in the future could you please refer to the proper diff in this case exactly this one, not my userpage as awhole? Thank you in advance.--Lokyz (talk) 00:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could I ask you guys to put in a few sentences about the early history? Using Petrauskas? I don't have access to it...Novickas (talk) 11:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Earliest history

message: "has different names in non-Lithuanian foreign languages" - presumably our readers are intelligent enough to realize that German, Polish and Yiddish are "non-Lithuanian" languages. Also remember that this is written with the view of benefiting the readers, hence "foreign" depends on the nationality of the person reading the article, not any particular editor who edits the article and as such doesn't belong in there - how about just "other languages"?radek (talk) 10:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.--Lokyz (talk) 14:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!radek (talk) 19:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  uh, is this really necessary? 

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