Talk:Gregory Pakourianos

message: Gregory Bakurianis-dze (the son of Bakurian) clearly refers himself as an ethnic Georgian in the typikon written and signed by himself. Here are the quotations:
In the same Typikon Gregory the son of Bakurian states his Georgian ethnicity also with the pride:
As for the Georgian ethnicity of inhabitants of the Petritzon Monastery, it is also clearly written in the same Typikon:
This citation is interesting also, for it indicates the groundlessness of the late insertion in the New Greek distorted translation of the Typikon about the Armenian version of it, which is the source of unestablished speculations. --Benfaremo (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Typikon 

message: Kober, please give citation. Wikipedia isn't a   place for promoting your personal ideas and beliefs. Readers need to know what the source of your information is. For example:
"He was a son of Bakuri." (author, page).
Also, where is the other opinion that his name is Aluz? Why did you destroy my sitation given for this name? Karim Ali
:It is not my personal idea and belief that many Byzantine dynastic names were derived from patrimonial names. Furthermore, both Georgian and Armenian annals call him Bakurianis-dze and Bakurian, respectively, indicating the name of his father. Anyway, I decided to remove his father's name at all to avoid further controversies over such a minor issue and to keep your nerves healthy. --KoberTalk 05:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't accuse me of giving wrong info and stop disrupting the well-balanced article. He was not a traveler but a Byzantine military officer in the Byzantine-controlled Georgian, Armenian, and Syrian lands. "Visiting Roman Empire"? This is ridiculous at best. He served in the Roman Empire throughout his life. According to you (or certain Arutiunova – Fidanian), it appears that he only traveled in Georgia, Armenia, and Syria and sometimes visited the empire. So, where did he live and serve? On the Mars? --KoberTalk 03:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Karim, with all due respect, I cannot agree that this particular passage is redundancy. WP:LEAD says: "The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, summarizing the most important points, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describing its notable controversies, if there are any." --KoberTalk 04:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: alternate view? Which one? All sources, including Bulgarian ones, say it was a Georgian monastery. The fact that one Armenian scholar wrote something in his dissertation cannot be regarded as a valid alternative view. Could find any other third-party sources claiming the same? --KoberTalk 04:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: So what? I agree that "Iberian" can not always have an ethnic meaning, but the "Georgian Orthodox" is not an ethnic term either. It is a confessional name. Most scholars, including Arutiunova–Fidanian, agree that those Armenians and other non-Georgians who were referred to as "Iberians" actually adhered to the Georgian version of Eastern Orthodox Christianity. That's why the Byzantines extended the term "Iberian" to them. Hence, I cannot see what is controversial about describing Bachkovo as a Georgian Orthodox monastery. Again, it is a denominational, not an ethnic term.--KoberTalk 04:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Respect the rules 

message: “Engaged in a military service since at least the early 1060s, he served in the Byzantine-controlled Georgian, Armenian, Syrian, and Balkan Peninsula lands.” (in the article)
“I spent a very long time traveling in Armenia and Georgia and Syria and visiting the Roman Empire too, seeking to provide for my own life.”  (in the Typikon of Gregory Pakourianos for the Monastery in Bačkovo)
Based on the Typikon of Gregory Pakourianos above, I am changing the text of the article to the following:
“He spent a very long time traveling in Armenia and Georgia and Syria and visiting the Roman Empire too, seeking to provide for his own life, before his military service since at least the early 1060s.”
--Karim AliTalk 10:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't Mix up the Things 

message: A mural painting of the two brothers, in the bone-vault house near the Monastery of Bachkovo in Bulgaria, is out of condition
according: http://www.journey.bg/bulgaria/bulgaria.php?guide=4208 Костницата на Бачковския манастир (The bone-vault house of the Monastery of Bachkovo. A Bulgarian translation from Russian)
--Karim AliTalk 03:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alert 

message: This is what is written here, Page 51
Is this contradicted by other sources? Alæxis¿question? 17:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signed in Georgian or Armenian 

message: 1. The word “Georgian” is not on the title of the Typicon of the Monastery. Adding the word “Georgian” in the name of the monastery is wrong.
2. Where is written Iberian (Georgian)? No one of authors in 2, 3, and 4 wrote that the monks of the Bachkovo monastery were Iberians (Georgians).
In 11 century, the word “Iberians” in Byzantine was used mostly for the citizens of Byzantine Theme of Iberia which population was in majority Armenians.
3. Where is the sing of Pakourianos in the Georgian language Typicon if his last pages are mising? Please, do not mislead people who do not know Georgian language. See this Typicon in the part “External links”.
Simba22 (talk) 22:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remarks 

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