Talk:The King of Queens

message: The descriptions of the characters read as if they were written by a seventh grader. I would rewrite the section, but I only know of the show in passing. Any suggestions? SpartanMurph117 (talk) 02:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing Style 

message: The plot section needs to be updated, it seems to apply to season 2?
** I dont agree with the end joke being tangentially related to the subject of the show. I have been watching KOQ for many years over and over. The endjoke is in my opinion always in relation to the subject of the show. I think this needs to be reviewed or edited at least to reflect the reality. This information is incorrect.Eurocanna (talk) 18:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: Does anybody know KoQ fansites? --84.141.33.183 17:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fansites? 

message: The list of broadcasting stations in North America is currently "CBS, 38, and the newDEW." Now I don't know who put this on, but the CW is missing (or it might be a typo represented in the newDEW). Either way, I have never heard of the newDEW, and I am pretty sure "38" is not a channel. It may be the numerical equivalent to a broadcast or cable channel in a restricted market (like how FOX is channel 6 in Milwaukee and channel 13 in Chicago). Either way, I don't believe "38" should be on there.
I'm pretty sure 38 is TV35 from Boston, WSBK. Madlobster 21:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadcasters 

message: === Kelly Palmer ===
Why have Kelly as a minor character,when her parting from deacon prety much dominates a great chunk of the series,and all I would not consider her a minor character,she is seen more then less and sometimes does strongly figure in an episode (the taking of the god-fathers,the departure to the funeral of her great aunt), she is more or less similar to Holly,so I would rather sujest puting her down as a recuring character.
New Babylon
I would most definitely agree. I didn't really look to the bottom of the page to see if Kelly is a minor character or not, but if it has her as one, please edit that. I've seen almost all the episodes thus far and Kelly is NOT a minor character. She is not only Deacon's wife but Carrie's best friend. She is in no way a minor character on this show. Tonetare 22:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the name of that character is Supervisor "Jack" O'Boyle (played by John F. O'Donohue).  The character played by Sam McMurray is named Supervisor "Patrick" O'Boyle.  I don't know if they are supposed to be two totally different characters?  Or if it's the same character recast with a new actor?  In any event, I added this information into the article.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor characters 

message: Why have Kelly as a minor character,when her parting from deacon prety much dominates a great chunk of the series,and all I would not consider her a minor character,she is seen more then less and sometimes does strongly figure in an episode (the taking of the god-fathers,the departure to the funeral of her great aunt), she is more or less similar to Holly,so I would rather sujest puting her down as a recuring character.
New Babylon
I would most definitely agree. I didn't really look to the bottom of the page to see if Kelly is a minor character or not, but if it has her as one, please edit that. I've seen almost all the episodes thus far and Kelly is NOT a minor character. She is not only Deacon's wife but Carrie's best friend. She is in no way a minor character on this show. Tonetare 22:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kelly Palmer 

message: In season 1, episode 18 "White Collar" the role of supervisor O´Boyle is acted by another actor, I don´t know his name. You can see at minute 2:30 (e.g. here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp_GDrzQPPo&feature=related) that Doug calls this guy supervisor O´Boyle.
--VierMalK (talk) 10:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the name of that character is Supervisor "Jack" O'Boyle (played by John F. O'Donohue).  The character played by Sam McMurray is named Supervisor "Patrick" O'Boyle.  I don't know if they are supposed to be two totally different characters?  Or if it's the same character recast with a new actor?  In any event, I added this information into the article.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supervisor O´Boyle 

message: Anyone know the name of the actor who has played multiple roles on KoQ? The characters he plays include: Doug's one football coach, a massage therapist, the delivery guy @ the place with the 'lemon ices', the movie theater usher, the movie theater manager, and so much more. His name never appears in the credits.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.172.108.123 (talk) 05:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is his Wikipedia article: Mookie Barker.  Thanks.   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:26, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

text: By the way, he's not uncredited.  He typically gets his name in the credits.     Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:45, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

text: Update.  May 24, 2021.  It looks like his article was deleted, way back in 2016:  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mookie Barker. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncredited actor 

message: played by Jerry Stiller - Arthur, Carrie's very ridiculous father, is the classic oddball of the family who lives in the basement of the Heffernan house because he accidentally set fire to his own home in the pilot episode. Arthur often gets fierce and throws a tantrums for the craziest reasons. Arthur is often seen causing regular chaos through his numerous antics and getting on Doug's bad side. He is a bigmouth and braggart who loves bending the truth and this gets him into trouble quite frequently. I Hate Him. Sometimes he is referred to as "The Old".
I´m new to wikipedia and furthermore im not a native english speaker, but i believe that the term "I Hate him." in the discription of Arthur Spooner seems rather wrong in a encylopedia. It would be very lovely if somebody updates the article.
Thank You—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.131.126.50 (talk • contribs) , 18:46 31 July 2006 (UTC)
:I have removed the vandalism you refer to.  In the future, Be bold and just click on the "edit this page" tab and remove it.  All positive contributions are encouraged and welcomed here.--WilliamThweatt 21:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, click on the wikilink...it's a reference to the Wikipedia guideline encouraging newbies to take the initiative in correcting/expanding/updating articles here.--WilliamThweatt 21:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Because 'Be bold!' sounds better than 'Don't be shy!' :P LinaMishima 13:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Then why not try suggesting the change on the talk page for WP:BOLD? Or create an article WP:NOSHY? If you think it's more helpful for people, then others probably will too (well, in this case, at least). Wikipedia is about the community helping to improve itself, and you're a part of that, too! LinaMishima 13:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I did, after all, create the essay Wikipedia:Don't be shy ;). You can discuss that article on it's own talk page - back to the topic, people :P LinaMishima 15:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arthur Spooner 

message: Could somebody help with identifying the minor characters' roles in the show? It would be great if someone could also add more sections and more information to put in those sections. Socom49 15:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: Where did this business about this being the show's last season come from? Has there been any official word on this? Eenu 04:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe it is the last season, however I know that the show has not renewed a contract with CBS to continue the show. Socom49 13:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Season? 

message: I could be wrong about this, but didn't they use some generic song for the first few seasons, and then switch to their currenct "eyes are gettin weary" song later on in the show?--Glaze 03:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I'm not sure how long they had the generic one, but there definitely was one for a while before "eyes are gettin weary". --Mixx941 05:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They had a generic song and a plain show title for the whole first season. I know because on the first season (on dvd's) they don't use the song. PharmerJess 02:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  theme song 

message: I have just deleted vandalism sneaked on the very bottom the page. --Anonymous Jules Fan 17:10, 9 November 2006
And I removed the phrase 'Laura is the biggest fan.' since there was no Laura among major or minor characters, thus making that an irrellevant comment. DannyBoy2k 19:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I think the plot summary needs to be refined - Nicole Sullivan is no longer on the show, and when she was I don't think she ever really "looked after him." The only episode I can recall her feeling responsible for taking care of Arthur is when he tried to sell Doug and Carrie's house without them knowing about it, and even then she didn't do anything to stop him. I believe she was originally hired so Doug and Carrie could have some alone time. GauntletXG 21:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for changes 

message: I suggest to add a chapter about the issues KoQ has with massive product placement (like Coca Cola, Unilever with Lipton, Kellogg`s, Sony, KFC, Whitecastle and so on). As I read on a website recently, KoQ is the one TV-show with the most PR in it at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 149.225.4.72 (talk) 17:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Product placement 

message: According to this article, it finished top of the Neilsen Ratings for four years in a row. This is completely inaccurate according to data from Neilsen, which places American Idol at the top for the past three years. Unless it is referring to a specific category is placed top in (in which case it should be listed as such), this section should be edited or deleted for inaccuracy.
:Some moron changed it all to #1s so I reverted the edit...however, there was no citation for the figures originally provided Vikramsidhu 17:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neilsen Ratings? 

message: Season 19 can't be going ahead if 18 has just been declared the series ender.
:Season 9 (2006/2007) was the final season.  There was no season 18 or 19.  (JosephASpadaro 13:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The series is over :) 

message: who working on the show grew up in maryland? they talk about Glen Burnie, Ocean City, Gaithersburg, Baltimore and Towson, and a few I cant remember. 198.23.5.73 17:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  references to maryland 

message: "Let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the death of Kings"-William Shakespeare.
New Babylon 2 10:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The end 

message: Why was the information that I moved from this article to the finale article reinserted? Is it really so important that it must be present in both articles? I think not. Just for clarification: I did not delete it, I just moved it to the more appropriate place (and I said so in the edit comment).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.130.4.46 (talk) 21:08, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
:It should probably be combined with the Nielsen ratings section on this page.Ophois 00:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finale information 

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message: What episode was it in which he called?  I know it was in that little beginning bit before the actual episode, but before which episode did it come? Huh (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will remove that reference to him as he was never a character. He was a characterization by Doug.Gary Joseph (talk) 07:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Indeed, that's the whole point of the joke.  That the high school friend named Ayatollah Rodriguez never existed.  To save face and "trick" Carrie, Doug calls her up on the phone, pretending to be Ayatollah Rodriguez.  Also, Ayatollah Rodriguez is (supposedly) a high school friend of Doug, whom Doug has not seen in many years.  Pretty coincidental that Ayatollah Rodriguez calls just a few seconds after Doug and Carrie have a conversation about him!    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:17, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayatollah Rodriguez 

message: Why didn't they produce another season of KoQ? Drop in the ratings? I just wonder... KoQ being one oft the most successful TV series its end came a bit suddenly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.54.49.219 (talk) 12:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The actors wanted new contracts and more money and CBS didn't think they were worth it so everyone decided to end the show there. --70.143.50.40 (talk) 07:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series finale 

message: I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 16:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series 

message: Do we have to have all the production companies in the opening sentence paragraph to this article? This is not normal. It is also annoying and confusing. 4.240.78.166 (talk) 21:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Sentence / Paragraph 

message: – sgeureka t•c 20:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories for merging 

message: Any one have any idea what this section is about? 
I have no idea what this means...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.129.203.20 (talk) 18:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Lopez 

message: The street on which the Heffernans live in Queens is never divulged. Doug and Carrie are seen with lemon ices in Corona and frolicking before the Unisphere in the opening credits. Furthermore, one episode has Arthur mentioning the proximity to Union Turnpike to the Heffernan house to Holly as she struggles to ride a bicycle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Countvincenzo (talk • contribs) 20:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual address was indeed mentioned on the show.  This definitely happened in at least one episode, and probably in a few more than that.  I'd have to re-watch to find out exactly which episodes, though.    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:   They live at "3121 Aberdeen Street" in Rego Park, Queens, New York.    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:19, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Street of Queens 

message: I don't see how Ray Barone is a bigger character than Doug's parents, Spence's mom and girlfriend, and Carrie's bosses. I think if the goal is to be able to talk about the crossover aspect, that should be in another paragraph, not elevating "Ray Barone" to a higher level in the show than he deserves. Wickorama (talk) 08:07, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You make a very good point. If you want to make the changes, that would be good (though I think there should be a separate article for the characters.) --Musdan77 (talk) 01:28, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray Romano 

message: In what episode is it stated that Deacon graduated from St. John's with master's degrees in computer science and chemistry? This cannot possibly be true, as with those types of degrees, Deacon would almost definitely have not ended up trucking. 98.166.128.28 (talk) 19:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have only a vague memory.  But there was an episode where Deacon mentioned that he went to college.  I believe he even mentioned his major.  But, I don't think it was a master's degree; I am pretty sure that the implication was an undergraduate bachelor's degree.  When I watched the scene, I remember thinking exactly that: why is he working as a package delivery man, if he has a college degree?.  I think the thrust of the joke was that Deacon mentioned, in passing, that he went to college.  And Doug acted all offended, saying something like "Well, pardon me.  You went to college.  You're better than me."  Or a conversation to that effect.  Doug was "offended" and made fun of Deacon, indicating that Deacon was pompous and arrogant, since Deacon graduated from college (and Doug did not).    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:24, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  In "Separation Anxiety" (Season 3; Episode 20), Kelly's date (Bill) mentions to Kelly that he went to St. John's.  He says: "Then I went to St. John's to get my master's, but I got side-tracked into this computer thing."  Kelly then mentions to Bill that her husband (Deacon) also went to St. John's.   This happens at about the 15:09 mark in this YouTube video (the video entitled "KING OF QUEENS SEASON 3 EPISODE 20 SEPARATION ANXIETY").   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know a FEDEX driver in New York with a college degree. Degrees aren't a guarantee of a good job anymore. Maybe a FEDEX driver makes more than a typical graduate nowadays, many of whom are unemployed.  IDK. Wlmg (talk) 23:17, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deacon Palmer's education 

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message: Sara Spooner - 6 episodes in Season 1 is considered a Main Character and placed in the Infobox; when Kelly Palmer, Deacon's wife, has 40 episodes, and she is recurring? I've watched this show for years and couldn't even recall Sara Spooner. Richard "Richie" Iannucci only starred in Seasons 1-3 and is considered a Main Character. Who wrote this article!? Maineartists (talk) 00:04, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not up to editors to decide who they think should be listed s starring or recurring. Cast are listed per WP:TVCAST. If an actor is credited as a starring character they are listed as such and, per WP:TVCAST, "Articles should reflect the entire history of a series, and as such actors remain on the list even after their departure from the series". Both Lisa Rieffel (Sarah) and Larry Romano (Richie) were credited in starring roles so they re listed as main characters. Merrin Dungey (Kelly) was never credited in a starring role. She always was just recurring. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:35, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: (edit conflict) Ridiculous (the situation, not your comment). "Starring" and "starring" have two different meanings when it comes to negotiating contracts, I guess. Whatever happened to "guest starring"? Just seems confusing and pointless to give credit to an actress for the entire series that never made it after 6 episodes; and resign another to "recurring" for multiple seasons and a major character. BTW, where are you getting your information for this show and all its seasons? Is there an online database? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 14:00, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, it's not up to editors to decide status. That would constitute {{WP:OR|original research]]. Instead we go by what the producers of the program have decided. Guest stars are listed under "guests". We populate articles based on various reliable sources. Cast are listed according to how they are credited in episodes, per WP:TVCAST. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:52, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I get that. Read it twice, thank you. Again, where are you getting the information though? If there is not an online database showing this; than an editor who merely goes and researches this themselves by watching each episode from each season to see how the credits are listed is in fact: WP:OR. No? So I will ask again: for this article, where did you - or any other editor - get the credits for every episode / season? Can you answer that, please? All I'm asking for is that "reliable source" you mentioned. Thank you. Because I just YouTube'd one opening / closing credit sequence, and in just one episode they listed "Starring" (Kevin James thru Jerry Stiller) in the Opening, then at the end they had "Special Guest Star", "Guest Starring", "Starring" and "Co-Starring". So how can you classify all these characters into 2 categories: Main - Recurring? Finally, WP certainly does not go by WP:TVCAST in its articles. Not by the least. Just take a look at the differences between The Jeffersons, Happy Days, All in the Family, et al. Wikitables, Supporting Characters, on and on. Poor Mike Evans alone is a Main, Recurring and Guest. There's WP protocol for all this? Maineartists (talk) 22:55, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you should have read a third time. ;) As I said  No, it's not OR as episodes are acceptable primary sources per WP:PRIMARY. Really, I think if you are having a problem with this it's best to raise the issue at WT:TV where you'll get a much larger audience. MOS:TV has been undergoing changes for several years and there has been a concerted effort since August 2016 to update whole sections so it's possible that there are older articles that don't comply. --AussieLegend (✉) 06:20, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Characters vs Recurring 

message: Per history summary and attempted edits. Recurring Character does not include "minor characters" who occasionally make an appearance from time to time. It is specific to characters that are not listed in the title credits but play a significant role within the series: i.e. Steve Urkel on Family Matters, Dr. Frasier Crane on Cheers, etc. The WP:Onus to include Flora has not been met. The article does not support inclusion. "Flora" is not expected to return; as such characters as Kelly Palmer, Janet Heffernan, and even Doug Pruzan, are. Do not reinstate unless consensus is gained. Maineartists (talk) 22:50, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recurring characters 

message: Jerry's daughter has multiple roles in KoQ, she plays many different characters,  often as a foil to Arthur. 146.199.238.43 (talk) 06:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jerry Stillers daughter