Talk:Backyard wrestling

message: I am a backyard wrestler myself and did not like the original form of this article. It did not point out any good things that can come out of backyarding such as experience for being a professional later in life, and the entertainment that comes out of it.
I am also a backyarder, but like most backyarders, I wouldn't do anything that would hurt me. I'd like to go into pro wrestling if possible, so if doing backyard wrestling will allow me to advance better as a normal wrestler, then I'll do it. I had a link about my backyard wrestling title on a page, and it was removed because it was backyard wrestling. I can understand why it was removed, but I feel that even still it deserves a mentioned.
I am thinking of adding a page on backyard wrestling championships in general, so that the titles can get some coverage until i get a full-blown webpage set up. Thanks for the support everybody! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.157.148.161 (talk) 22:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, although your proposal sounds like a good idea, I would also appreciate more information on the trends and practices of backyard wrestling. What trends exist in the sport today? How has it changed? How is it usually conducted?--Screwball23 talk 18:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't believe that. There are few trainers in the US who would turn down anyone in shape who can pay. The big problem ex-backyard guys have is that training for the real thing is a whole lot different and usually much less fun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.127.0.51 (talk) 9:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm a Backyarder 

message: I've written several stories and story lines about a fictional group of kids who participate in a backyard wrestling environment. This small town raised group of kids have their own championships, tournaments and even an arena to wrestle in. I've enhanced this fantasy world with the assistance of video games produced by the WWE by creating them and making their moves tell their own stories. As a fan of backyard wrestling (having only participated in three or four matches) this is what fuels my interest in the cult-like sport.
In the years that have passed that I have written these stories, backyard wrestling went from a form of entertainment for small town or big city kids that reached unprecedented heights back to an underground movement only kept alive by a minority of children today.
What I think this wikipedia.org article failed to articulate is the backyard wrestlers point of view, mainly focusing on the dogmatic views of current and former professional wrestlers and the concerns that they have. Little was focused on the wrestlers themselves, or that backyard wrestling has a longer history beyond the late 1990's (dating back to at least the early 80's, although not considered clubs but more or less kids just bouncing around on trampolines). Also, it should be noted that backyard wrestling is a reflection of the times that real pro-wrestling goes through. In the late 1990's, ECW's reach to popularity was because of its revolutionary style involving great use of weapons and the fact that it was stylized around a reality based wrestling show. Backyard wrestlers imitated this on matresses and occasionaly real wrestling rings in matches spanning from the TLC to the barefoot thumbtak/mousetrap matches, for championship belts either crudely constructed out of cardboard or professionally made by companies found on the internet. 
Nowaday's as the hardcore phase has passed, WWE and other promotions like ROH have encouraged and reintroduced a "safer, technical style" used primarily by the likes of Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero (RIP) and other legends like Ted DiBiase and Bret Hart. These are traditional moves like armbars, headlock takeovers, and overhead wristlocks. Whilst it's popularity has faded (probably due to crap movie releases like Backyard Dogs), rest assured that it will change from "hardcore fanatics" to "technical wonders" despite the dangers of performing said moves are still there. It's just how it's done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veled (talk • contribs) 17:44, 8 April 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Backyard Wrestling: My Point of View

message: I think that the link given as an example of a backyard wrestling site is unnecessary and probably just advertising...
ViperBite 21:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Links?

message: Unless is can be created in such a way as to conform to core Wikipedia policies of verifiability, neutral point of view, and no original research, there is no room in this article for a subjective and presumably self-serving section listing "best" federations.  --Kbh3rdtalk 18:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does there really need to be a list?  I mean, they don't mean a thing to me or some others who read the article.  Why put only them on the article?  They are not the only backyard wrestling feds in the world that could be considered major.  There is a fed called BCW in which Bryan Danielson won the BCW Heavyweight Champion.  So why isn't that fed listed?  I only know of BCW because of Danielson.  There either needs to be list on a seperate page for all feds or no list at all.  Mr. C.C. 16:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Best Feds" 

message: There is a difference between underground and backyard wrestling.  Underground wrestling has the make up of a independent promotion with a custom ring, trained wrestlers, somewhat promoted shows, and championships.  Underground wrestlers generally don't wrestle for money.  They wrestle because they like doing it.  Backyard wrestling on the other hand only has championships and possibly shows.  I have seen enough backyard and underground wrestling to know the difference.  Some underground feds can get a decent crowd while others can't.  Mr. C.C. 05:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What? Jeez, now I remember why I stopped writing on this article; it's backyard wrestling fans like you that made it suck. In fact, I think you should stop writing the dumb comments, and leave the talk page alone. Seriously, underground vs. backyard wrestling? Who even asked? Backyard just means done by amateur wrestling fans, and if they want to get organized, invite all kinds of people, and make a custom-made ring, it don't make a difference.--Screwball23 talk 19:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hold on buddy, I am not a fan of backyard wrestling.  So don't assume.  It's makes an ass out of you and me.  There is a difference.  I have seen backyard wrestling and I have seen underground wrestling.  Underground wrestling have trained wrestlers that don't wrestle for money.  Yard tards do stupid moves like putting someone through a flaming table with light tubes on it.  Since when do you own this talk page.  People don't need your permission to post on this talk page.  If you don't like it than you don't have to come around this page.  Easy as that.  Mr. C.C. 08:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Underground Wrestling vs. Backyard Wrestling 

message: Excuse me but why is Owen Hart mentioned in this article? He has nothing to do with backyard wrestling, he died in an ENTRANCE accident, not wrestling.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pigobenis (talk • contribs) 22:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Owen Hart

message: I agree, the mention of Owen Hart's death completely has/ had nothing to do with backyard wrestling. The statement, "After the death of Owen Hart people began to realise how unsafe backyard wrestling really is (even though Owen Hart wasn't a backyard wrestler, and didn't die in a wrestling accident.)" is completely subjective. If the writer of this article wanted to illustrate how unsafebackyard wrestling is, he/ she must cite another incident that made the news. --DavidD4scnrt (talk) 04:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Owen Hart 

message: I think we should have a section listing popular Backyard Wrestling Organizations, like the Waco Association of Wrestling. This would probably be limited, consisting of organizations with high popularity on youtube, or even media attention. Even though it would be limited, it would make the article (in my opinion) somewhat better, and would give people less familiar with the practice more insight by giving them easier access to Backyard Wrestling videos. Altenhofen 00:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Organizations 

message: I just recently watched a 16:9 report on a thing called basement brawling. Basically it's what happened when Backyard Wrestling met the UFC. Should we mention it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.57.200 (talk) 22:12, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basement Brawling 

message: The vast majority of this article was a heap of redlinks, WP:EL violations and OR essays, pristine in its lack of sourcing.  Given that this is a vanity magnet, let's keep anything that isn't reliably sourced out of it, shall we?  Ravenswing  15:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.--UnquestionableTruth-- 23:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: VBW has revolutionized what backyard wrestling is. I suggest you take a look at the product. The backyard wrestling wiki page needs to be updated with relevant info. I believe VBW is a good place to start as it is in a league of its own. www.vbwonline.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcanthonyunelli (talk • contribs) 00:09, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: (For other editors, see more of the conversation at my talk page) The only usable source would be the local paper. Comparing it to WWE and TNA is pushing it, and I'd really like to see which journalist wrote that. Wikipedia is not a place for promotion, and that seems to be the goal here. Apparition11 Complaints/Mistakes 00:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

text: To be in Wikipedia, it does need a journalist needs to write it... WP:V. Please also see WP:NPOV since it seems that you may be slightly biased. Apparition11 Complaints/Mistakes 00:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

text: If you wish to try to change Wikipedia policy, you can take it to WP:VP/P. However, WP:V is a core content policy, so I doubt that you'll have much success. Apparition11 Complaints/Mistakes 01:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: VBW