Talk:Michael Berenbaum

message: hiiiiiiiiiiiiii :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.240.31.100 (talk) 14:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
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message: I cite the following article from The Forward's electronic edition:
http://forward.com/news/2820/simon-wiesenthal-96-legendary-nazi-hunter/
...which is penned by Michael Berenbaum, who says the following:
"Actually, Wiesenthal’s most well-known philosophical battle was with Wiesel. The two squared off indirectly in the late 1970s over the question of who were the true victims of the Holocaust; that is, was the Holocaust a Jewish event or a universal event? Wiesel argued that the Holocaust was a uniquely Jewish experience, settling the role of non-Jews in the Holocaust with the turn of a phrase: “While not all victims were Jews, all Jews were victims.”
Wiesenthal, in contrast, argued that the Holocaust was the death of 11 million people, 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews. The figure was invented: If we consider all civilian non-Jewish deaths, then it is too small; if we consider only those who died at the hands of the Nazi killing apparatus, then it is too large. But the central point was Wiesenthal’s belief that the inclusion of non-Jews was essential to his postwar commitment. Nations had to feel that they had lost their own if they were to bring the war criminals to justice."
As you can see, Berenbaum argues in the article that the inclusion of 5 million non-jewish victims was done for political reasons, and also expresses a classic statement of holocaust denial, which is saying the Nazi killing apparatus was incapable of 11 million deaths. Statements like these (or trying to say Wiesel did not believe in the 11 million death toll) can land German citizens in jail.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8388:540:6B80:71E4:75DE:11A9:E465 (talk) 23:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't cross-post the same opinion on several Talk pages. Anyway, what you are doing here is a case of WP:OR: Your interpretation of Berenbaums statement is entirely your own. However, if you have reliable sources accusing Beenbaum of holocaust denial, that might be a different case. --MatthiasGutfeldt (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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