Talk:Shunga Empire

message: I am not an expert so this is both a request for information and a way to streamline things that has me a little confused.
If you go to Magaadha, or the History of South Asia it lists the Sunga as merely a dynasty of Maghada among 4 other dynasties if that is the case then I think the Sunga Empire should be a redirect to Sunga Dynasty and the both the articles merged into Sunga Dynasty. Sunga dynasty anyway looks like a cut and paste section of this page. Also a a little table at the bottom showing both the preceding and antecedent dynasties should be included and placed under Maghada. The same holds true for the Mauryans I suppose. I will raise the issue on the Mauryan pages as well so that wikipedia articles are a little more clear.--Tigeroo 13:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename/ Merge

message: My rationale for making the sectin succint. The article is about the entire Sunga dynasty. The debate is about just one singular member of that dynasty. It seems to be overdoing the emphasis in the article by focusing too much of the article on one who seems like an odd man out, in an article about the many.
I beleive it is enough to mention him, mention the debate around him, and mention how this contrasted with or reflected the general attitude of the dynasty as a whole. There are links to two other articles, Decline of Buddhism in India, and Pushyamitras own page, where the information is more specifically and fully explored. Feel free to come and help in the editing the details on those page. 
I am being bold here and saying we need to condens and not overdo the exposure to the debate in this particular page.--Tigeroo 18:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Attitude towards Buddhism

message: Not keen on changing text before discussion. Reference Shailendra Bhandare, ‘Numismatics and History: The Maurya-Gupta Interlude in the Gangetic Plain’. In: Patrick Olivelle, Between the Empires: Society in India 300 BCE to 400 CE. Oxford 2006, 67-112.
Bandhare explains that "when the [Bodhgaya] inscription itself is consulted afresh from its estampages, it becomes clear that the very indication that Indrāgnimitra was a king, or Kurangī a queen, is doubtful."
Reason: 
- no title appended to Indrāgnimitra  
- epithet of Kurangī "prajāvatī" meaning 'queen' is an assumption
- therefore Indrāgnimitra assumed to be king.
Bandhare continues: Nevertheless "a general consensus prevails on identifying this Indrāgnimitra as a ruler who struck coins in the 'Pāñcāla' series. But no coins bearing the name Indrāgnimitra are known in the series."
Reason:
- there are coins with name Agnimitra
- there are coins with name Indramitra
- both type struck by separate issuer
Question: Should Wikipedia mention Indrāgnimitra as Śunga king when referring to the Bodhgaya inscription?
Suggestion: No, or assumptions should be presented as assumptions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikijamin (talk • contribs) 22:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indragnimitra not a king 

message: Mathura was well outside the Sunga Empire. The Map shows it almost on the border or inside it. The Maturas and Panchalas(between yamuna and ganges) along with the Indo-greeks(in punjab/haryana/himachal and northern pakistan) were allied against the Sungas as they all were related by marital alliances with the Mauryas whom the Sungas had overthrown.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.2.23 (talk) 18:49, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathura not part of Sunga empire 

message: Look at the references provided on the Mitra dynasty article. All the references are provided. (2600:1001:B012:95BC:C11F:F9C9:72F8:2BEB (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. You're modifying a statement that lacks an inline citation. Please fix that first. And no, we cannot assume that any mention of Mathuras automagically implies that it's the Mitras being spoken of as they ruled Mathura. You'll have to establish that in this article. Thanks.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 18:20, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mitra dynasty (moved from Cpt.a.haddock's talk page) 

message: if you were actually familiar with the topic (which you are quite clearly not) and not being motivated by some weird agenda against me, you would quite clearly understand that the category entitled "History of Bihar" is more appropriate than History of Bengal. Instead of randomly reverting my edits, maybe read up on the topic? There are these marvellous inventions called "books" which contain a plethora of information. Many of them can be accessed online. Thanks in advance.MADHEPURA2018 (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What you do there, then, is add Category:History of Bihar, without removing Category:History of Bengal. Which you would know if you were an editor without an obvious, glaring bias.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 23:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of category 

message: This article should either start with "The Shunga Empire is ..." or be renamed to "Shunga dynasty". The article's beginning should tell you what the titular subject is. Kornatice (talk) 20:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: All right. I'm moving it then. PadFoot2008 (talk) 06:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Also I'd need to restore the previous revision in order to move it. PadFoot2008 (talk) 06:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't do cut-paste moves like you did here. I'd suggest you revert it and request WP:RM here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:53, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The editing history gets lost in a cut paste move. I've reverted it. See WP:CUTPASTE. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry wasn't aware of that. I've put up a technical move request now.PadFoot2008 (talk) 16:13, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: An uncontested one, only suitable when "It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move" - this is absolutely NOT the case here. The current name was confirmed in a proper RM in 2015. Do another one (which I predict you will lose) or just change the first sentence. This is a bad abuse of process; I know you are new or I would take you to ANI. I suggest you dial back on stuff like this. Johnbod (talk) 16:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologise for the cut paste moves. I am new here, as you said, and wasn't aware of the correct procedure. It was in false belief that this page was probably a low traffic one that I moved the page, without appropriate discussions, but I now do understand. Also could you please explain to me which moves are considered technical uncontested moves and which aren't? I'm a bit confused about that right now. PadFoot2008 (talk) 14:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Give Wikipedia:Requested_moves a read, it explains quite well the different sorts of move. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 16:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

text: The key point is is that the policy says only moves where "It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move" should be nominated as "uncontested".  As you gain more experience, you will come to appreciate that almost nothing to do with India will meet this condition. Low traffic isn't really a factor, & in fact this page gets avge 570 views per day, which can't possibly be called low. If you are not sure you should do a normal WP:RM proposal (as below). Johnbod (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Withdrawn by nom. Arguments here indicate that "Sunga Empire" is not a preferred title, but do not seem to strongly indicate that "Shunga Empire" is the absolute best title. With that, and the relatively low participation, a no consensus close seems appropriate. (closed by non-admin page mover)  ASUKITE 14:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Shunga Empire →  – The earlier discussion on 5 June 2023 made me realise that in fact, the name "Sunga Empire" is much more common than the name "Shunga Empire" in published sources according to Google ngrams. In fact, Shunga Empire has such less references that it can't be even cited in Google ngrams. I propose this page be moved to Sunga Empire per WP:COMMONNAME and also because the term "Shunga Empire" has almost no references in published sources. PadFoot2008 (talk) 11:52, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Pinging @Johnbod, @Fylindfotberserk, and @पाटलिपुत्र. PadFoot2008 (talk) 03:57, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject India has been notified of this discussion.  ASUKITE 13:50, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Bangladesh has been notified of this discussion.  ASUKITE 13:50, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Nepal has been notified of this discussion.  ASUKITE 13:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see we used to have Śuṅga Empire until an earlier RM in 2015 (above). "Ś" without diacriticals should be "Sh", apparently. I don't think ghits are much use here, and Oppose unless better arguments are produced. Johnbod (talk) 16:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose "Sunga" is an inaccurate romanization; Śunga would basically be pronounced "Shunga" in English. If we aren't using diacritics, then "Shunga" is the more accurate spelling.(I think "Śunga" and "Shunga" are equally good, but "Śunga" might confuse people who aren't familiar with how Sanskrit is romanized, so "Shunga" is probably better for general audiences.) 3 kids in a trenchcoat (talk) 03:22, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

text: All right everyone, since I do not seem to have a consensus, I am withdrawing this move proposal. @Asukite, you can close this discussion now. Thanks everyone for participating. PadFoot2008 (talk) 03:49, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 July 2023