Talk:List of Estonian Americans

message: Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for current discussion of a potential policy to apply to all ethnicity lists on Wikipedia, including this one. JackO'Lantern 20:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity lists discussion

message: See . A vast number of individuals were removed from the article as "unsourced," but most of which had sources. Such a mode of editing amounts to WP:Vandalism. Please restore the text and use "fact" tags to improve, rather than deplete our articles, which have been laboriously built up over a period of years. Thank you for this consideration. Badagnani (talk) 05:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. As I put in the edit summary. Bulldog123 (talk) 05:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry but I don't think it's funny any more, Bulldog123. Removing names from the list that are sourced is not acceptable.  Removing Taagepera who has been a nominee for presidency of the Republic of Estonia is sorry but completely far out. Did you ever bother to click on the refs? --Termer (talk) 05:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, you're the one who's not looking at the sources. It's totally justified to removed sourced material when it is sourced improperly (perhaps sometimes lazily, perhaps sometimes maliciously). It might be obvious that Taagepera (for example) is Estonian but the sources might not say that in the way they should. That's only your personal knowledge of the person. If that's the case they're not proper. If you still don't understand, leave me a message on my talk page. Right now, I say you calm down on the revert warring. Bulldog123 (talk) 21:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive removals, September 11, 2008 

message: With the removal of 3 people, List of Austrian Americans is a perfect template for what this list should look like. Bulldog123 (talk) 06:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly any list should look like usually is determined by WP:Consensus. You have made your ideas clear so much at least I think that in your opinion only well sourced 100% ethnic X-people who happen to be American Citizens should be listed? As far as I can tell there is no such a consensus achieved on WP that any of these lists of X-Americans should be based on such a formula. If you'd like to change the way people get listed, you'd need to bring it up first, reach a consensus instead of blanking out the lists on WP as you please.--Termer (talk) 07:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Perfect example of what this list should be like

message: *Kiino Villand - photographer, musician  Kiino Villand @ Famous People of Estonia intersites.co.uk  "Where are you from?" "Born in Jersey, family is from Estonia."
So Bulldog123, please help me to understand, what exactly is wrong with mr Kiino Villand so that he doesn't deserve to be listed?
Would the Estonian House in Los Angeles be good enough source in your opinion? Kiino Villand is a Los Angeles-based photographer/director of Estonian descent @ eesti.us
--Termer (talk) 07:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. My paste isn't working at all. I meant to put:  - where you can scroll to the tags. Bulldog123 (talk) 21:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Kiino Villand is Hungarian American journalist now according to this source who should be listed together with  Estonian Americans? OK, I give up, I think we'd need to proceed differently with this situation. Since the situation is getting outright...awkward.--Termer (talk) 09:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh sorry. I meant to put Estonian photographer. My paste isn't working. Bulldog123 (talk) 20:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kiino Villand

message: *James Tusty - Film director James Tusty is a first-generation American of Estonian descent @ examiner.com ; James Tusty, who is of Estonian descent
What's wrong with this guy and his refs? --Termer (talk) 07:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So this source: http://www.freemuse.org/sw22342.asp says Tusty's father was Estonian which  justifies him as "of Estonian descent" (as your source says) and so he qualifies perfectly for :Category:Americans of Estonian descent. Unfortunately, jumping from step 1 (His father was Estonian) to step 2 (that means he's Estonian) can't be done by us. We need to find either a source that calls him "Estonian". We do this in order to avoid situations where people can be added that are 1/16th Estonian, and hence a source could say "they are of Estonian descent". If Tusty is well known as an Estonian, you shouldn't have a problem finding the source. The fact that we haven't found one is indicative of something. This should be applied to all lists; I'm not only "picking" on this list. Bulldog123 (talk) 08:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you accusing me of calling you a vandal? I have not used such words unlike you just did! regarding what should have I done, I'm going to disagree. You should have first addressed any issues you had with the lists at talk pages, try to reach a consensus before going on edit warring against about 4-5 editors and blanking selectively the X-Americans lists.--Termer (talk) 08:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They weren't blanked. They were merged. Do you know the difference? Bulldog123 (talk) 20:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Merging in such a manner would, following our WP working process, require prior discussion and consensus, out of normal courtesy to our editing colleagues, as WP is a collaborative project. The fact that the undiscussed, unilateral merge was objected to, then it was rammed through by reverts again and again, says something very strongly. Badagnani (talk) 20:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can stop with this "prior discussion" because you well-know one was started. The lack of response justified all movements afterwards. But slapping me with "vandal" tags was not justified, as it was an attempt for you to gain an edge. Bulldog123 (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Tusty 

message: Removed sourcing restored. Per the lead of Estonian American,  Badagnani (talk) 16:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing restored