Talk:Héctor Camacho

message: Why is this page disputed?
Because it's not very NPOV--it seems rather slanted towards Mr. Camacho according to my first reading. The article itself is also very poorly written and needs a major cleanup.
I think the fight that actually caused Camacho to change his style was not against the Jet.  It was against Edwin Rosario who was not even mentioned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.35.94 (talk) 02:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headline text 

message: Camacho shot!  108.14.126.241 (talk) 02:23, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirmed what?  give a quote and a reference or at least a link. μηδείς (talk) 22:55, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

text: I have requested temporary full-protection of this article. In the meanwhile, I urge editors to PLEASE stop this. Wikipedia's goal is not to be the first to report breaking news; it is to report what has been said by reliable sources. There is no harm in waiting, but serious harm can come from jumping the gun. WP:BLP is a policy that must be taken seriously. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I got the partial protection.  I am not sure a full protection is necessary, but I have put a rather LOUD warning to people not to ad a premature death or else. μηδείς (talk) 01:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shot 

message: Please change
Camacho also had notable fights defeating Mexico's Roberto Durán twice, and knocking out 
to
Camacho also had notable fights defeating Panama's Roberto Durán twice, and knocking out 
Jlmora2000 (talk) 15:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 23 November 2012 

message: Just to expand on some back-and-forth changes that are going on before it turns into an edit war :-D I'll just share what my rationale for the lede is, and we can all throw in our opinions. I felt the logical approach was for the second paragraph to mention everything notable about Camacho's career, while the third-and-last paragraph should deal with his legal issues, TV appearances, and shooting. I think that Mercy11 agrees with me. Medeis feels that the lead should be in a more chronological order, with the mention of the 2008 WBE title in the last paragraph. IMO, it breaks the flow of the paragraphs. The lede doesn't have to be chronological, and I think that dedicating the second paragraph alone to his boxing career is a better approach. It's a minor issue, but I think we can all share our opinions and reach an agreement. Thief12 (talk) 23:50, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with Mercy11's points.  The WBE fight comes 11 years after his last notable bout and is of a piece with his Spanish Dancing with the Stars appearance, etc., it belongs in the third paragraph.  It neither makes sense to include it with his upward trajectory in the second paragraph, nor would it help to make the third paragraph solely about his arrests, shootings and drug involvement.  It is fine and logical as is. μηδείς (talk) 02:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits to lede 

message: perhaps the article could enlighten us on how popular this drug is.  it seems easy to see the shooting as 'drug-related'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.95.229 (talk) 18:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about Camacho, we have other articles about drugs and using articles as a soapbox WP:SOAPBOX is against policy. μηδείς (talk) 02:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  use of cocaine in puerto rico and USA 

message: Can someone add a section about his method of fighting? 72.225.242.221 (talk) 22:33, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Requests like this on the talk page are honored if you suggest specific wording.  We'd need something supported by good references.  If you can provide a link or two saying "Sports writer A said Camacho fought like this, while Sprots Writer B said he fought like that" we could add it. μηδείς (talk) 02:32, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request 

message: We need a ref for this, and an explanation that it is not all major titles, which claim belongs to Pacquiao, with refs.  In the meantime I have put a cautionary note in ref form. μηδείς (talk) 04:27, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: When linking the article, I clearly added the "lesser" part when referencing the other organizations. The Pacquiao reference seems random at best, especially since Manny himself can only claim to be a eight-division champion (which he does constantly) by counting the minor IBO belt at 140 pounds. El Alternativo (talk) 07:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that while we have a reference at the Pacquiao article to the claim, we have no reference I can find anywhere, in this, the septuple, or the Spanish language article that supports this claim.  It needs to be referenced or all the titles to be noted explicitly in a note.  A link to the septuple article would be sufficient if there were a ref provided there, but there isn't. μηδείς (talk) 21:41, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "He is one of a handful of boxers to win championships in three weight classes, and the first to win in seven divisions." El Alternativo (talk) 22:07, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent!  Thanks, I have added it. μηδείς (talk) 22:30, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  septuple champion? 

message: Has anyone been able to find a reliable reference for his appearance in this show? As far as I recall, the portrayal of Manuel "Hot Pepper" López was his only acting role, which would be a nice addition to that short "Television career" section. El Alternativo (talk) 01:02, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The Wayans Bros.

message: His son Hector Camacho, Jr. was born in 1978, when Camacho was 16 and living in NY - he won Golden Gloves titles in 1978, 1979 and 1980 in NY. The article on his son says he was born in San Juan, Puerto Rico, but is not sourced. Looks more likely that he was born in New York. Anyone have reliable sources on this and the name of his mother?Parkwells (talk) 18:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth of first son - where?

message: Puerto Ricans are US citizens, so I changed the nationality in the Infobox and material in the Lead.Parkwells (talk) 11:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the nationality to American in the infobox, but he should still be referenced as Puerto Rican within the article. Thief12 (talk) 11:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: US citizen

message: I've read three different stories regarding who gave Camacho his nickname of "Macho".
* His father on Primera Hora
* Pat Flannery on New York Times
* American co-workers at a factory on Indice
That last one is from a local newspaper that's quoting an old interview with Camacho, where he tells the story of how he got his nickname. I couldn't find it online, but I have the physical newspaper right in front of me. Which one should we go with? Thief12 (talk) 20:38, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, his parents separated when he was three, and it's not clear how much he saw his father until returning to Puerto Rico as an adult fighter. His teacher Pat Flannery was credited by the NY Times with being a father figure to him, teaching him to read, and helping guide him to the Golden Gloves at a time when he'd been thrown out of his regular high school. I would go with Flannery per the NY Times article. The timing seems right. What's the date of your local newspaper? I have no idea how to evaluate it.Parkwells (talk) 01:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The INdice newspaper is from November 23, 2012. It's an editorial that quotes an interview the editor, David Colón, made to Camacho in 1982. In it Camacho says that the nickname came from American co-workers at a factory that couldn't pronounce his full last name. That said, I don't think we should disregard the father because he's, well, his father and we have a recent, direct quote from him from a reliable source. As for Flannery, although I'm not disregarding it, it reads as if the newspaper had taken the info from somewhere else: "Flannery is credited with giving Camacho his nickname". I think that the article could be edited to reflect this. Something like "Although his father says he was the one that gave his son his nickname, Camacho himself said on an interview in 1982 that it came from bla bla bla. The NY Times also credits Pat Flannery with giving Camacho his nickname" or something to that effect. Thief12 (talk) 13:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The best option is to give all the claims and their sources, per WP:ATTRIBUTE.Camacho's nickname has been explained in various ways.  According to Camacho..., According to his father..., According to the NYTimes....Very simple and per policy. μηδείς (talk) 19:15, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Nickname

message: Anyone know how to get a copy of this, as well as his birth certificate or his arrest records?  We could use confirmation of his day of death as well as his full name and his father's full name given there is a question of who Hector Camacho Sr. is. μηδείς (talk) 19:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  death certificate 

message: Camacho's record is in error and not true: We did fight on April 20th 1995 but did not fight again. 
Win 	53–3 	United States Homer Gibbins 	TKO 	9 (12) 	2:39 	August 6, 1995 	Foxwoods Resort Casino, Ledyard, Connecticut, USA 	Retained IBC Welterweight Championship.
On this date he fought Gary Kirkland not Homer Gibbins, we never re-matched. 
Link to official boxrec page:  http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=607&cat=boxer  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Homergibbins (talk • contribs) 16:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camacho Vs Gibbins 

message: Material has been added repeatedly for example without citation that he was engaged at the time of his death.  This violates WP:BLP and WP:AVOIDVICTIM.  
Repeated addition of such material of such material will be reported and can lead to a loss of editing privilege. 
Please add reliable sources and argue for the notability of the claim at the article's talk page.
μηδείς (talk) 19:09, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors of [[Héctor Camacho]]'s engagement 

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