Talk:Jayadeva birth controversy

message: The "speedy deletion" banner appeared a second or so after I started this article. I was in the middle of editing it. I will be adding more substance, more references to it later. SDas 14:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am unsure as to the factual correctness of this article, but have added an NPOV tag as it is clearly not written in a neutral fashion, regardless of the facts being true or not? It reads like a personal criticism of Bengali historians in India. Even if such a grand conspiracy was produced by some historians it should not be reported on in this one-sided manner. This then leads one to doubt the very nature of the argument being depicted. Maybe someone with an informed opinion could take a look? 81.155.83.62 18:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  While I (who wrote most of this article) agree that the text may read like POV, I could not find arguments from the other side to balance it out. I will not object to the POV tag being placed in the main article for now. All things said, there is nothing critical about current Bengali historians. As a matter of fact, it is the seminal works of notable Bengali historians (and a few others) that have been used in the article. There are no counter claims, and this whole issue has been settled for about 2 years. All statements are supported by references, including several scholarly ones authored specifically by experts on Jayadeva. Given the recency of the historical settlement described in the article, I'd welcome the opinions of genuine historians whose knowledge of the subject is actually up-to-date. SDas 06:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The views presented in the article cite eminent scholars supporting both views. Views of such eminent scholars cannot be dismissed or rephrased ; in history, it is very common for scholars to consider all views and dismiss misleading information based on primary evidence. This is the process of history and invariably involves separating the wheat from the chaff. It should not be seen as a criticism. Any editor is free to cite scholars who have alternate views. Prateek Pattanaik  (talk) 07:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
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message: I believe this page needs be merged into the article Jayadeva, the information would be better presented within the main article. -- Meanpineapplefritter (talk) 04:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. This article and the Jayadeva article both contain duplicate data and a detailed treatment of Jayadeva's life invariably will have to mention primary sources which mention the data. Both sides of the birth controversy can be assimilated into a section in the 'Jayadeva' article. This article is unnecessarily diverting data away from the main Jayadeva article. Prateek Pattanaik  (talk) 07:09, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
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message: I removed this. Having read the pdf I can't see that it asserts this claim. Also, besides being a government employee and head of the state museum, I'm not sure he is a reliable source for this. He is described as Dr. C. B. Patel, M.A., Ph.D, FRDME (Copenhagen). Dip in. Arch. Searching for FRDME Copenhagen only turns up Patel, so I have no clue as to what this is. Nor is it clear what Dip in. Arch. means. We really need sources that are not official government ones. Dougweller (talk) 14:09, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgot - he also claims Buddha was born in Orissa. Again, we aren't going to say that Buddha was born in Orissa, just that there is an argument that he was. Dougweller (talk) 14:47, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I thought, thanks. I see now you are insulting everyone from West Bengal, proving my point that this dispute is a nationalist one (at least in a sense, obviously West Bengal is a state). Dougweller (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
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message: I do not see why this needs to exist as a separate page. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's arguable. But one advantage of having a stand alone article is that the Jayadeva article/talkpage can (ideally) focus of what the subject actually did and is noteworthy for without getting gunked up such matters of parochial interest. Abecedare (talk) 16:17, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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