Talk:Godfrey Chitalu

message: change the 107 goal record because it is not true he scored 76 goals in one season...
79.126.148.121 (talk) 15:51, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There are several reliable sources which report the 107 goal figure. Do you have a source that shows it is incorrect? Jogurney (talk) 17:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the cited source says "surpassed only by Pele's record 121 netted in 1961", so now Pelé is the new recordman again.190.231.146.104 (talk) 19:06, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Pele also scored 127 goals in 1959, that is the real unofficial world record Lsw10 (talk) 23:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  stale request Pol430 talk to me 23:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 11 December 2012 

message: I think "El récord no es de Leo Messi, es de Chitalu: 107 goles en total" by Tomás Roncero shouldn't be considered as a reference because the journalist clearly states in the video above his own article that his source is Wikipedia. Concerning the 107 goals, it may be relevant to add that according to this Zambian article http://www.zambianfootball.co.zm/?p=2299 several or at least some of them where scored in friendly games and therefore cannot be official.
Letargik (talk) 19:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: this chitalu and his record are pure jokes,who is chitalu,zambia???pfff,they have a liga?omg,maybe his record is for amateur ones.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.122.230.205 (talk) 12:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  stale request Pol430 talk to me 23:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 11 December 2012 

message: The record of Chitalu is false. It should be accepted by the FIFA, but it isn't. So, until the FIFA doesn't accept the record, it is for Leo Messi. Also the Guiness Records say that Messi has it.
GGrosman (talk) 15:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20727929Fifa refuses to back Lionel Messi or Godfrey Chitalu for goal record. Fifa has refused to get involved in the debate about who holds the world record for scoring the most goals in a year. It was widely reported that Lionel Messi's 86th goal of 2012, which he scored on Sunday, surpassed a mark set by Germany's Gerd Mueller 40 years ago. But the Zambian Football Association claimed Godfrey Chitalu had scored 107 goals for club and country in 1972. 
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Lsw10 (talk) 23:51, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  stale request Pol430 talk to me 23:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 13 December 2012 

message: This edit () came out of nowhere with a lot of unverifiable sources. Does this person have access to an all-time collection of The Zambian Times with articles about Chitalu highlighted or is there a digitalized news archive of The Zambian Times? If it's the first case, hopefully he can scan them. If it's the second case, hopefully he can provide us of a link. Let's wait for a proper explanation.Dribblingod (talk) 08:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no requirement for articles to be available electronically. The editor may have visited a library with access to these newspapers. Hack (talk) 09:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So, you can invent things and write as a source "The Thailand Post. 25 of May of 1967". If he visited a library and found every article about Chitalu, for sure he would scan them? --Dribblingod (talk) 09:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Placing a date and publisher on the reference allows it to be verified. Hack (talk) 09:22, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: By taking a trip to Zambia? So, in case of doubt, Wikipedia's policy is trusting the editor?--
Dribblingod (talk) 09:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, as long as they say where they got the information. As it happens, the National Archives of Zambia are currently digitising newspapers from this era. Hack (talk) 10:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty ridiculous attack. The wikipedia author is probably Jerry Muchimba himself, the one who gathered the material and first unearthed the data to the world. As such he had access to the Zambian archives. At this moment and time you would have to confront his claims with the archives, else his claims stand. The sources seem legitimate, are submitted in a proper fashion and just because you can't access them online that they are fully referenced.Marutimon (talk) 19:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious sources 

message: Edit war ongoing. Moderation needed.
Marutimon (talk) 23:30, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: not an edit request Pol430 talk to me 23:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 14 December 2012 

message: Is there any references about which number he used to use in the national team?
There's none except for the picture showing him scoring against USSR. He wore both number 10 for club and country  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.223.119.129 (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number in national team 

message: Re: RECORDS
In the records segment at the end of the article I would prefer outside opinion. In my opinion the whole reference to Pons article should be deleted as it is a poorly substantiated and opinionated claim, which extrapolated information not found on the Zambian FA as fact. For example it can easily be proven that his claim that the Charity Shield is not an official FAZ competition is false.
Marutimon (talk) 19:24, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The  is only for requesting an edit to a protected article that you cannot edit yourself; it is not for soliciting outside opinion. This page is not currently protected and was not under any protection at the time of the above edit request. To solicit outside opinion, I recommend visiting the talk page of one of the applicable WikiProjects, identified at the top of this talk page. WP Football would probably the best one. Thank you. —KuyaBriBriTalk 20:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 3 January 2013 

message: Wikipedia can not be a propaganda page of Chitalu. In this table, published in "as", "marca", and "zambianfootball.co.zm" THERE ARE 11 GOALS IN FRIENDLY MATCHES: http://www.zambianfootball.co.zm/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Ucar-record.jpg
You can read in http://www.fazfootball.com/content/super-league-history/:
"Warriors however are not the most successful despite laying claim to legendary late great striker Godfrey "Ucar" Chitalu scoring an unofficial record of 107 goals in the 1972 season.
Warriors are second best with 13 cup and five league crowns on the Zambian football honours list.
The top honour goes to Mufulira Wanderers, who have produced some of Zambia’s biggest stars from the late Samuel "Zoom" Ndholvu who captained and coached the club as well as the national team.
Three of his protégés Kalusha Bwalya, Charles Musonda and the late goalkeeper David "Effort" Chabala also made their names at Wanderers.
Wanderers won 18 cup titles and nine league championships."
cups of warriors, 5 castle cups + 8 challenge cups: 13
cups of wanderers, 9 castle cups + 9 challenge cups: 18
In the honors of FAZ website are not "chibuku" and "charity shield", why?
In the honors of Real Madrid, Milan, Barcelona, etc, are all officials cups. No one forgets a official cup.
Can anyone imagine that in the honors of Real Madrid were not the European Supercup?
Also in statistics IFFHS: "Only one national cup per season can be considered for each country". Yo can see: http://www.iffhs.de/?3ccac3be8e00390b02fc4f02205fdcdc3bfcdc0aec70aeedb30b
There is no evidence of Chitalu goals. No pictures. Only one table and a photo. The author of this page questions the research data Pons. The author of this page should apologize.
You rectify .. right now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petersua74 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia can not be a propaganda page of Chitalu. 

message: The problem is that the table of 107 goals has a big mistake.
http://www.zambianfootball.co.zm/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Ucar-record.jpg
In the game "Warriors - Union Española", in the column "scorers" is Chitalu. But his goal is not in the right column. If this goal was in the right column, Chitalu has ¡¡¡108 goalssss!!!!.
This table have a big mistake and it has published in MARCA, AS and www.zambianfootball.co.zm.
In an internet forum in Argentina, people say this error. People laugh this error. I have found the error in that forum and I have kept a copy of the table. In the future I will send it to the sports media so they can see the errors in the record Chitalu.
If you does not rectify this page I will contact with wikipedia and I explain everything.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petersua74 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in the table. Chitalu's record is 108 goals. 

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