Talk:Environmental ethics

message: This article is extremely biased. I edited the questions to make them less loaded ("Should we continue to propagate when the Earth is over it's capacity?" and the like).
Tempete821 (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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text: If I may comment on this argument, I do not think that this is the starting point of environmental ethics.  I think that there is importance in determining what precisely are our fundamental biological imperatives.  In this argument it states that We must be seen as the species with the adaptive capability to resist our nature, which is of course efficient consumption, I find this problematic for several reasons, first is the collective nature with which it addresses unequal effects on nature, humanity is a collective of all individuals and their adaptivity is collective, not dependent on the actions of individuals or cultural groups, for example, the Iroquois Confederacy and the passenger pigeon coexisted, however, it was Euroamericans who engaged in its extermination.  This leads to the second difficulty which is what is adaptive, efficiency is too general a term, I believe, to adequately describe successful evolutionary strategies.L Hamm 02:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Jim, I appreciate your framing your ideas here, I have several questions.  There are certain elements of your surmise of which I am skeptical.  For example:  "A lion is successful in the Darwinian sense if she reproduces.  More particularly she is successful if she reproduces at rates greater than her competitors. Her reproduction is fundamentally dependant on her capability as a predator.  This is evident in the numerous adaptations that she possesses that function to make her a capable predator (speed, strength of jaw, claws, etc)."  This is certainly an attractive argument, the features of a species are produced by natural selection and are therefore necessary and important for present Darwinian success.  But this would ignore the phylogeny of the species, and its sociobiology.  A lion that claims and holds all the game for itself from all comers will be ousted from the pride.  Cooperative sociobiology (or behavioral ecology as it has come to be termed) shapes interspecies and intraspecies interactions.
These social systems, like morphological adaptations, exist within a community of populations, prey, predator and otherwise, any adaptation if it is not quickly countered (ironically) can lead the death of the predators population, as it kills off far more prey than can be replenished.  The 'bottom line' in natural selection is affected by history of the creature, the reproductive time, the community in which it exists, etc.  Maximum efficiency in reproduction does not necessarily make an evolutionarily stable strategy - but could easily lead to population collapse within the lifetime of a parent.  
You wrote:  "But in a broad sense, or to use your word a collective sense, it is humanity's ability to adapt to the various available environments of the ecosphere that has lead to her collective success. And what does humanity do in those environments?  She produces, she proliferates, and she consumes. This is what I mean when I say that humanity’s efficient consumption is the capability that has been selected for by the ecosystem itself.  And it is this advantage that is responsible for humanity’s fantastic success. It is what we are as a species and therefore it is our biologic imperative."
I find that speaking of what 'humanity do[es]' is often a distraction - environmental ethics, I believe, should be concerned with all the myriad ways that work, rather than identifying the our own failings.  People speak of 'we' and 'humanity' the same way, however, we are not humanity, or decisions are not the decisions of humanity, and it is hubris to say so.
It seems that you are positing that in order to reduce our impact to a sustainable level we (meaning all human beings) must learn to control their biologic imperative?  Is that so?
Thank you.  L Hamm 20:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I've just come across the same issue with the article. You could have turned the environmental philosophy redirect into a stub article, or put it up in Articles for Deletion (WP:AfD). It's a shame no one has fixed this sooner. —Pengo 22:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: How does environmental ethics knowledge help a disaster manager,like me,to make decisions before and after any hazard  Ego Dollar (talk) 15:02, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
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message: Hello! I plan to add a section on Climate Change Ethics because there is hardly anything on climate change at all in the article currently and with climate change being a globally-important environmental issue with immense ethical implications I think that there is much to say on the topic. 
Also, I think that the definition of environmental ethics in the lead section is a bit too specific. I think that environmental ethics started off with only being concerned with arguments for protecting nature but now has broadened to include other environmental issues (climate change, conservation, air and water pollution, mining, etc.). This specificity is part of the reason why the article's scope is so limited. Juliacat728 (talk) 14:06, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
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