Talk:Knights of Cydonia

message: Youshould add one, because that's beast.--Nick jehn (talk) 20:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Guitar Hero 3 reference

message: Did anyone else immediately think of the music video for Santeria by Sublime when they watched the music video?
Yes, I know, unrelated and unimportant. The Star Wars holograms reminded me of the ghostly apparitions of Bradley Nowell in Santeria(lead guitarist, died from a heroine overdose before the album was released, is seen playing guitar a few times in the video as a bluish ghost) and there's several other similarities including getting thrown out the window.. I guess it's all western but still. 71.220.99.67 (talk) 19:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Music Video.. Santeria?

message: What is the reference in the clip to oblivion?
Being rel. new her I wonder if the less obvious movie-references in the article would originate from any  reliable source. Or is it obvious when you know the respective film? Anyway, the flash-interface on the contest's homepage for Knights of Cydonia rejects both Oblivion & High Plains Drifter, but accepts the other 15 films mentioned, so... Mogwai22 02:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oblivon?

message: According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions, this article should be titled "Kinghts of Cydonia".  Can we change it?  Acegikmo1 21:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see anything there about decapitalising minor words. With this album, they seem to be capitalising the beginnings of all words in official announcements, so it's assumed that this is the official title (in official catalogs names are always recorded in block capitals, so unfortunately it's not always clear cut). BigBlueFish 13:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "In titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique, the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not conjunctions (and, but, or, nor, for), prepositions (in, to, over, through), articles (an, a, the), or the word 'to' when used to form an infinitive."  I think that we should follow this.  Acegikmo1 16:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The iTunes Music Store says Knights of Cydonia. Click here if you have iTunes installed.  Mahahahaneapneap 18:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Just to clear up, it doesn't look like there's going to be a physical US single release. It has been dubbed the US single because radio stations are now playing it, rather than Supermassive Black Hole in the lead-up to the album. This means that it shouldn't strictly be using the single infobox, but it's bound to be the next, or a future single anyway, so might as well be left in. BigBlueFish 14:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release 

message: "The tune and rhythm for the song were loosely based off of the Song of the Plains, a traditional Russian song."
A source needs to be cited if this is to be included.
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"The titular "Cydonia" refers to the region on Mars where some believe life has existed, and is the site of the infamous 'Face on Mars'."
How sure are we about this? Considering the band has used roman numerals (albeit false ones) to date their copyright, and the fact that there was an ancient greek city named Cydonia in a time where some form of a warrior that could be compared to a knight was likely to have existed, wouldn't it seem more likely that this is what they are referring to?  Personally I prefer to think of actual sword wielding knights fighting for their rights when I listen to this song, rather than the logicless conclusion that the song must be about a rumored micro organism on the face of the moon.
I like that interpretation, too, but there just seems to be more evidence supporting the Mars-region one, particularly the album cover of Black Holes and Revelations; even a couple of the album's songs (i.e. "Supermassive Black Hole", "Exo-Politics") point out a somewhat astronomical theme. So basically, it stands as is that the Knights of Cydonia did in fact wield light-sabers, at least in my opinion. --Wikiwow 21:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed this is defiantly to do with space and conspiracies, also the roman numerals are not false, even if they were invalid, which theyre not, theyre not false.--82.35.192.193 (talk) 21:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music And Meaning 

message: Did anybody else think the music video was intentionally hilarious? I cracked up when I first saw it - the dirtbike escape from the hanging, the chick riding the unicorn through the desert etc. I dunno. Mixed with the song, images like that seemed to be tongue-in-cheek ridiculously funny, and it's obviously what the band intended. Which susprised me, since I thought they took their music seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.143.159 (talk • contribs) 
:I thought the video was fantastic and of COURSE it was intended to be funny.  In the first few seconds we see him practice a slew of pseudo-kungfu styles ("flaming energy ball"?).  The video is littered with homages to pop-culture.  As for the seriousness of Muse's music, they've always been a little satirical and tongue in cheek.  The same guy that directed "Knights of Cydonia" did the video for Muse's "Muscle Museum" off the Showbiz album, and it features suburbanities sitting around crying.  It's not exactly "ha ha" hilarious, but it's not a charity cause, either. -- Broken Arms Gordon 08:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found "Muscle Museum" - both the song and the video - strikingly serious for Muse. But that's just me. Knotrice (talk) 11:25, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hilarious 

message: I've heard a lot of people who have commented that the song is similar to "Bohemian Rhapsody", at least in concept.  Anyone heard what the critics have said about it? 128.120.176.107 07:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception? 

message: The line "no-one's GONNA take me alive" is "no-one's GOING TO take me alive" when performed live. Big enough point to add to the "Live" section? CfW 01:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They both mean the same thing, really.  Blackguards_Light //Evil turning good//  —Preceding comment was added at 15:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live Lyric Difference 

message: The beginning of the song was blatantly inspired by the Commodore C64 homecomputer SID music. The fast sparkling arpeggiator pattern with the strange lead voice timbre is really typical for that, although here the characteristic sound was ported to high quality timbres of "real" instruments, which really unique. An example for a C64 song in the same arpeggiator style is Martin Galway's C64 version of "The Neverending Story". 
http://www.autofish.net/agmi/c64.html
A closer example for C64 rock music with arpeggiator is Rob Hubbard's great theme of "One Man and His Droid".
The fascinating thing is that in 1980th composers like Rob Hubbard and Martin Galway first attempted to program rock musics on the Commodore 64,
but by hardware limitations it was impossible to make them sound realistic. Thus C64 music developed its own sound style, which in 1980th was silently 
ignored by conventional musicians and by the spread of hifi sampling in early 1990th became very despised and considered ridiculous - only to suddenly find
its way now back into "real" rock music (played by a band) with a matter of course like when it was always there.
The special C64 sound style particularly introduced the massive use of arpeggiator effects to circumvent the low hardware polyphony of the SID chip (3 channels for synth timbres, 1 for low-res samples) to permit to play chords. And unlike common slow home organ arpeggios of 1970th and 80th (those stepped with rhythm tempo), SID music often included very rapidly whirling arpeggiator timbres, those step frequency could increase up to the sound frequency range. Despite fast arpeggiators were already introduced before in synthesizer musics (e.g. used by Jean Michael Jarre), only C64 music 
(and homecomputer squarewave musics in general) started to turn them into a dominating sound effect.
The song "Knights of Cydonia" consists of multiple sections arranged in different sound styles, those mostly allude to complex melodic 1970th and early 1980th rock musics. There are e.g. similarities with the Flash Gordon movie theme and of course 1970th western movie musics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.50.255.5 (talk) 02:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commodore C64 SID sound style, various different sounds 

message: Am I the only person who caught the apparent references to Stephen King's Dark Tower. There's a dystopian future, robots, nearly-broken technology, and the guy looks like a Gun Slinger.
    I was just about to ask the same question when I saw yours. I greatly agree.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.124.10.128 (talk) 06:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dark Tower?

message: I removed the following because it didn't really fit in that article, perhaps it could be incorporated here:
Knights of Cydonia was chosen as the 9th best Guitar Solo of all time by GQ Magazine in (2007).
Knights of Cydonia will feature as a playable song in Guitar Hero 3, which will be released in late 2007 -- M2Ys4U (talk) 00:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia moved from [[Muse (band)]] 

message: Can anyone explain why the hottest 100 winner for 2007 was a song/album released in 2006.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.162.218 (talk) 13:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triple J Hottest 100 

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message: :File:BlackHolesCover.jpg
The Martian Cydonia is far more notorious than the one on Crete, mainly due to the infamous face. Given the band's love of science fiction, space references in the album and the red landscape on the albums artwork, I think it's obvious which one they were going for. None of this has anything to do with any Wikipedian's opinion on the supposed face.  -2A01:4C8:1486:640C:6830:FBC0:9F24:D6D (talk) 07:45, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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