Talk:Hubert Lyautey

message: Is there any proof that the famous dialect-quote is really from Lyautey? Most other sources on the internet seem to attribute it to Max Weinreich or Joshua Fishman, see for example http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Linguistics/armynavy.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.95.224.122 (talk • contribs) 10:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: Source needed.
pascalvenier 19 December 2008 00:08 GMT.  —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Garrison of the 13th Parachute Dragoon Regiment is named after him."

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message: This sentence, which appears in the 'Early life' section, para 1, caught my eye:
"He made his career serving in the colonies and not in metropolitan France, a more prestigious assignment."
I presume that 'metropolitan France' was the 'more prestigious assignment', not 'the colonies'. If so, this part of the article could be made more clear by simply adding: 'which was' between 'France' and 'a'. I'd do it myself, but I don't want to change the meaning if it's wrong.
RASAM (talk) 19:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You can go ahead and make changes like that -- if someone objects, it can always be reverted.  I've made the change now - your interpretation of the meaning was correct. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:54, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning

message: At times, both French and American officers (e.g. Gen. Maxwell Taylor) advocated the strategy of establishing fortified "enclaves" along the coast, and gradually working inland, until the whole country was supposedly pacified.  Every time I have come across the French term, it has been expressed in English as if it were a stain, or a smudge, or a spot, but something messy.  I'm not sure of the literary value of purposely using a negative image to express a positive goal.  Now I'm reading Lyautey's letters, and it suddenly occurred to me that it might instead refer to pouring oil on "troubled waters" to calm them, which fits much better with the idea of pacification.  Does anyone have any thoughts on this?  Terry J. Carter (talk) 19:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point is an interesting one, but Wikipedia is not here to establish new terminology or usages.  If every time you come across the concept in English it's in some version of oil stain, oil smudge or oil spot, then we need to stick with those usages.  If, however, you come across a different formulation in a reliable source with more positive imagery, then you should feel free to use it in the article.  Otherwise, I think it needs to stay as is. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree for now.  Just found "patch" of oil on page 108 of the le Blond translation of "Intimate Letters."  I've got a lot more reading to do in this area, so I'll keep you posted.  Terry J. Carter (talk) 22:13, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "Patch" is less pejorative.  What's the original French term? Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:48, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oil stain?? 

message: On the threat of war in 1914, he was quoted as telling his officers: 'They are completely mad. A war between Europeans is a civil war. This is the most monumental foolishness that they have ever done.' But then: 'Like many professional soldiers, he disliked the Third Republic, and welcomed the outbreak of war “because the politicians have shut up".'
Did he have a change of heart? Valetude (talk) 18:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt he changed his mind. I should think his views were just a bit more nuanced than might be suggested by two separate quotes in two separate books. He wasn't too chuffed about the prospect of a major European war but at the same time, like many French right-wingers and army officers, disliked the Third Republic.Paulturtle (talk) 22:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction?