Talk:Business plan

message: This article is about what a business plan is. Please do not add links to business planning software websites, consultancies, or related online services. Wikipedia is not a business directory. Please take time to improve this article with fully-referenced and appropriate content. --SueHay 19:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please stick to the topic

message: The type "Electronic Plan" shouldn't be included, because it is not type of BPs but type of media. When you divide books by types in accordance to their genres you usually do not include "Paper book" and "Electronic book" as one of genres, then why we should do it in case of BPs? Dinno 09:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have deleted that section. Perhaps something of it's nature would be better re-written (not copied as original was badly word and particularly amatuer)in a different (new) section of the article. I will attend to it when I have more time, but if anyone else can help with a media section please go ahead. Be Bold. Bennyboyz3000 10:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Ahem, there are rules about using Wikipedia to advertise stuff. X MarX the Spot (talk) 02:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of BPs 

message: This article was well-developed prior to February 21st, when the references, categories and languages were deleted. Please see the article's history for the edit that occurred at 13:57 on February 21st. Can this article be restored to the version prior to that edit? --SueHay 18:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored much of the deleted material. --SueHay 18:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert?

message: The terms Cool Working Plan and Executive Smiling Summary seem a bit buzz wordish as if they are from a particular book.  Are they really standard terms?  
Also, the references seem very British so adding context would help.  For example "Marks And Spenser" could be changed to "Marks And Spenser, a British department store," would help your poor cousins on the other side of the pond.
---205.166.76.15 16:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor points 

message: I have split the business plan content section out into a separate article Business Plan - Content.  The section was so long it was making it hard to see other parts of the table of contents.  Also, I think it may help control vandalism.  The hypen in the name makes it unlikely that one will reach the article without first visiting and reading the business plan article. Egfrank 17:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since a business plan is a document with certain typical content, I think you should include at least the main topics in an outline within this article. You can cut back on vandalism by enforcing the use of tagged references. --SueHay 00:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting out sections 

message: * Sample Business Plan  Sample Business Plan - By Services - This is a commercial site selling business plans; other sites have been removed so why does this remain?
::So take it out. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 16:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We delete spam. If you feel a link is spam, feel free to erase it. mydogategodshat 01:49, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As there are no spam links remaining (the two current links are to government websites), I have removed the spam notice. --81.168.72.184 08:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The problem here is that this is a frequent target of spammers.  It has been my experience (with other articles, Master of Business Administration for instance) that putting up the spam notice is an effective deterent against future attacks; but it is necessary to leave the notice up for a few months. -James Howard (talk/web) 21:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spam warning

message: </div>
External links section as removed, as per suggestion of  SueHay. The existing link to http://www.howtowriteabusinessplan.org/ was  not integrated into the text.  It added no new information and was a thinly disguised lead in to a specific vendor's commercial business planning software. Egfrank 11:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links Section Removed 

message: If you have relevant knowledge, please feel free to contribute anything to these sections - We'd like to see this article filled out as soon as possible.
=== Content ===
* Cost allocation. Research is needed for when cost allocation is typically required and when it is recommended. I believe it is traditionally expected in manufacturing plans. Also I think certain kinds of proposals for government contracts and grant funding require fixed and variable costs because reimbursement for certain expenses is calculated as a percentage of fixed costs. Egfrank 16:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections Needing Further Research 

message: * Cost allocation. Research is needed for when cost allocation is typically required and when it is recommended. I believe it is traditionally expected in manufacturing plans. Also I think certain kinds of proposals for government contracts and grant funding require fixed and variable costs because reimbursement for certain expenses is calculated as a percentage of fixed costs. Egfrank 16:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content 

message: === Executive summary ===
==== Inclusion of company history and management team ====
I have returned these to the organizational background section.  Full discussions of these topics are not normally included in executive summaries which are typically limited to 1-3 pages and must discuss the entire business.  At most a line or two about the team is included and readers who want to know more look up details in the main body of the business plan or in an appendix.
Egfrank 14:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversions -- please place explanations here -- 

message: ==== Inclusion of company history and management team ====
I have returned these to the organizational background section.  Full discussions of these topics are not normally included in executive summaries which are typically limited to 1-3 pages and must discuss the entire business.  At most a line or two about the team is included and readers who want to know more look up details in the main body of the business plan or in an appendix.
Egfrank 14:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Executive summary 

message: I have returned these to the organizational background section.  Full discussions of these topics are not normally included in executive summaries which are typically limited to 1-3 pages and must discuss the entire business.  At most a line or two about the team is included and readers who want to know more look up details in the main body of the business plan or in an appendix.
Egfrank 14:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of company history and management team 

message: ==== To be the best business among others ====
I have removed this as a goal of the marketing plan - although many business plans include this as part of their mission statement, it should not be in this article's list of "main points" for the marketing plan. 
* it is inconsistent with other items in the list - the bullet items focus on the decision making criteria for including something in the marketing plan, not on the specific content of the plan. "being best" is a specific marketing goal, and not even a universally accepted goal.
* "best" is not necessary for a go-no go decision.  Even GE only strives to be in the top 3, not "best" and accepts business plans with that in mind.  And what about Avis who turned being number 2 into a marketing campaign "We try harder!"?
* as a practical matter: including a line like "we aim to be best" generally is a red flag that the plan is marketing mush and likely to be poorly thought out.  At best it is read past and ignored.  A better way of stating such a goal is to come up with quantifiable and measurable benchmarks - "We aim to have a customer statisfaction rate of 99%" or "We aim to have the largest market share in our market segment" - and then explain why those are reasonable goals and not pipe dreams.
Egfrank 14:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marketing Plan 

message: I have removed this as a goal of the marketing plan - although many business plans include this as part of their mission statement, it should not be in this article's list of "main points" for the marketing plan. 
* it is inconsistent with other items in the list - the bullet items focus on the decision making criteria for including something in the marketing plan, not on the specific content of the plan. "being best" is a specific marketing goal, and not even a universally accepted goal.
* "best" is not necessary for a go-no go decision.  Even GE only strives to be in the top 3, not "best" and accepts business plans with that in mind.  And what about Avis who turned being number 2 into a marketing campaign "We try harder!"?
* as a practical matter: including a line like "we aim to be best" generally is a red flag that the plan is marketing mush and likely to be poorly thought out.  At best it is read past and ignored.  A better way of stating such a goal is to come up with quantifiable and measurable benchmarks - "We aim to have a customer statisfaction rate of 99%" or "We aim to have the largest market share in our market segment" - and then explain why those are reasonable goals and not pipe dreams.
Egfrank 14:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To be the best business among others 

message: I have added to the related section- business plan sections on an external link the link directs to an article which gives summarized explanation of sections such as executive summary and so on. I might have a COI issue with this and if the link is unsatisfactory any editor can remove it.
Timooc1 (talk) 08:33, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Business plan sections

message: SueHay,
I disagree.  Despite the fact that some of those links do sell something (sba.gov does not), they provide valuable information.  Not every website is like wikipedia, and we live in a capitalistic society and information is how people show credibility.
Hey, if some website offers a sample business plans that can help the cost effective do-it-yourselfer, but also sell complete plans for others, I am fine with that as long as I get the information I am looking for without feeling pressured to buy something.
IMHO, the links stay.
Chris  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cmm324 (talk • contribs).
:Chris, see WP:NOT#LINK. It's not just a matter of whether the external website is selling something. Lots of websites offer sample business plans and business planning software -- you can find them through Google. Welcome to Wikipedia! --SueHay 13:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: vandals Egfrank 09:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links: I disagree 

message: This is the web site for the Business Plan Archive, an academic research resource for high-tech entrepreneurship created by Dr. David A. Kirsch of the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business.  Since this is a somewhat different beast from the kinds of links that have been added in the past I'm going to go ahead and add it to the article but feel free to delete it if it's deemed unsuitable.  --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 09:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've commented it out for now as it's been offline since December. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 14:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  http://www.businessplanarchive.org/ 

message: http://discuss-business.com/blog
take a look at it. what do you guys think?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.34.212.135 (talk) 14:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BLOGS. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:49, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This site is nice and should be added 

message: This article lacks a section on the history and development of business plans.FreeFlow99 (talk) 15:41, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  No history section 

message: These two sites should be added to the business plan article. It should be self explanatory, but I can explain.
The small business administration gives a definition and explanation of a business plan and its sections/sub-sections.
The Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board gives instruction for creating reports using GAAP. GAAP are the Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, which is the accounting industry standard for financial reports.
How to write a business plan, from the <a href="http://www.sba.gov/content/how-write-business-plan">Small Business 
Administration(USA).</a>
Financial Reports using GAAP standards, from the <a href="http://www.fasab.gov/accounting-standards/authoritative-
source-of-gaap/accounting-standards/">Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board.</a>  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Master0184 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small Business Administration and Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board 

message: A screenshot of the start of this article was on the HBO show Silicon Valey... but the text was different lol  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.203.108.54 (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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