Talk:Midnight Oil

message: Speculation about censorship of the band's setlist choices for these shows proved to be fruitless as the band played some of their most political hits, including US Forces, When The Generals Talk, The Dead Heart, Blue Sky Mine, and Read About It.
Without a reference this is hearsay and should be removed.
110.174.23.139 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 10:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference required

message: making a political statement by offering apologies to the Aboriginal people for their alleged suffering during more than 200 years of white settlement.
I don't think there's any dispute concerning the fact that the aboriginals did suffer as a result of colonization. -- Erzengel 13:00 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
:I entirely agree. Aboriginals were considered barbarians (see Terra Nullius). Their land (with which they identify to a degree most westerners cannot comprehend) was taken away from them (see Mabo). They were and still are second class citizens in their own country. If that's not suffering, please explain to me what suffering is. D.D. 18:17 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::Yeah.  It might be possible to dispute how much of the blame for the suffering of Aboriginal people was the fault of white colonisers, but that they have suffered would seem to me indisputable. --Robert Merkel 05:50 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
:: Considering that many of the whites were fleeing Religious persecution I would say there was plenty of "suffering" to go around.   Hot showers, plentiful food, 200 horsepower chariots .... Caesar should have it as good as downtrodden U.S. Citizens. --user:Mirwin
:::Why would Caesar have it good as a US citizen in an article about Australia?
::::I think someone got lost on the way to her/his point. Ghost 16:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be a newsflash to you, but the original British immigrants to this country (1788) lacked all three of these items as well - Penicillin was developed as an antibiotic during the Second World War and Vaccination is mostly a 20th century development... and the difficulties the First Fleet immigrants had in growing crops and raising livestock are also well documented. The Aborigines' problems at the time of colonisation stemmed from the gradual loss of traditional land and cultural heritage, foreign diseases, clashes with colonists, et al.  --Staphylococcus 16:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk about POV, this whole article reads like a press release for the advocacy for the band's political positions.  Obviously these are their positions and beliefs, and the article must reflect this...but not as a cheerleading essay! I was interested in reading about the band, not to yell hooray for their worldview!
Somebody please work on this!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.144.193 (talk) 21:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Although this gets even further off-topic, it's worth pointing out that a significant portion of the non-metropolitain-dwelling Aboriginal population still doesn't have ready access to those three things.  Hell, even some of the city dwellers are missing out on the stable food supply part... </off_topic>Ghost 16:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV?

message: Reasonably good article, but doesn't cover their entire career evenly.  The earlier albums get anecdotes; the middle and later ones should as well.  (Of course, I should contribute, but...) -- Gavin Sinclair
:The article is rather poorly structured at the moment, it really would benefit from being broken up into more headings, perhaps encompassing eras of the band... i think its what you might call 'a renovator's dream' in the real estate parlance ;-) ... feel free to tinker with it, or offer suggestions on the talk page --Staphylococcus 16:49, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Uneven

message: "Burning the midnight oil" and variations means to work late into the night. This is mentioned in the opener, but the expression should have its own page, much like the fourth wall. HereToHelp 21:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Expression

message: Nick Launay didn't produce The Church's Seance album. It was produced by the band with John Bee. Launay came in later in a remixing capacity, with results that some fans consider abominable (shades of Specter and Let It Be?). Just thought that needed to be cleared up. Peter1968 06:58, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nick Launay 

message: I've tagged it for NPOV errors because, much as I love the Oils, I don't think we should be describing them as "excellent", etc.  Also, the "apologise" remark already discussed above.  fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 08:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  why the tag? 

message: There are some links to Gary Morris in this article. I suppose Gary Morris (manager) is not Gary Morris (american country music singer). I don't know how to fix this. --194.251.240.113 14:45, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the link, but don't have time to add a new article ATM----Staphylococcus 19:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Gary Morris 

message: As you will noticed, I re-worded the text of the article (it was quite a minor edit, but I did not mark it as such) to promote a NPOV. As such, I have deleted the NPOV Dispute tag. The article currently contains the following text, which I think deserves deletion.
: Many Australians believed the refusal to say 'sorry' was cynically motivated by conservative fears that an apology might be construed as an admission of liability and could trigger a rush of land rights and financial compensation claims by Aboriginal people.
Aside from the fact that this is Weasel Wording: see Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words, it is highly inappropriate for an article about Midnight Oil. A link to the page on Australian reconciliation would suffice (if even that is necessary). I will do it myself, but I thought I would bring it up here with my reasons for 24 hours before doing it. Jaems 01:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reconciliation

message: Is the song "Whoah" on "Diesel and Dust" the lyrics are "The Lord is my temple, God is by my side". The article mentions the band's "overt left-wing political activism" but doesn't tell anything about their attitude towards relegion. Being left-winged often coincides with not being religious. Thus my question: Are their religious lyrics serious or rather ironic?
: Ok. Reading first and asking questions then would be the better order. I just noticed that there has already been discussion about them being christian or not above.
: I'm not from the US but from Europe and me too I'd still say that being left-winged often coincides with not being religious but not inevitably so.
::It's an interesting song - it is actually about nuclear brinksmanship of the 80's.  "Andropovosphere" is derived from Yuri Andropov, a Soviet leader. The "man with a landslide" is Ronald Reagan, referring to an election victory, and West Point is a military academy in New York. Read an interpretation at the Powderworkers site as well as the lyrics available at Midnight Oil's Website to see how it fits in. - Staphylococcus 07:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Added Political rock to the Genre's even though it isn't an official wiki music genre I think it should be noted. If anyone can find an official wiki genre for this then please fix it. The only other well known bands that would fall into this genre would be the The Clash and the Manic Street Preachers. --Mutley 14:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre's

message: Anyone got a picture of Midnight Oils 'hand' logo that could be used.
I think it would be beneficial to the article, and I am trying to make a midnight oil userbox, and it would be great for that too.
Thanks, This hath been created and/or edited in the divine wisdom of The Overlord of Doom. 06:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Hand' Logo 

message: This is circulating on various file sharing programs, and on various electronic radio channels, but there is not much information on this besides the fact it's by Midnight Oil Vs. DJ Fixx,was this authorized by the band? Can someone give more information on this?--4.154.245.232 19:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burning Beds 2004 (DJ Chaos Breakbeat Remix)? 

message: :Image:Beds Are Burning.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 02:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Beds Are Burning.jpg

message: :Image:Beds Are Burning.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 04:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Beds Are Burning.jpg

message: I don't want to butcher this article in order to remove the biased statements, so I've tagged the article as NPOV until an editor on this article can fix them.  A few examples are: The band was known for its driving hard rock sound, intense live performances... and ...featuring the twin-guitar attack of Moginie and Rotsey, the drumming and vocals of drummer Rob Hirst and the manic, whirling-dervish presence of their towering, bald lead singer Peter Garrett....  The KZA 04:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really sure I see any real serious NPOV in the statements you've cited.  Poetic licence, yes; but the band does have two guitars, and there's no denying that Peter Garrett is tall at 6' 4" and bald. Are there other instances in the article that someone feels is not NPOV?Joe JJC 02:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Joe. It's not so much POV as simply unencyclopedic in tone - more suited to a music mag. Just needs a copyedit. The info itself is not a problem, rather the way it is presented and words chosen is. --Merbabu 00:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV issues

message: I just redlinked Gary Morris (manager) because I know who he is. I was going suggest he was like a fifth beatle, someone beat me to that analogy. Can someone help to confirm his notability by starting the article, The Sixth Oil and the refs here seem to do just that. I have never contributed to a music article before tonight, would the disambiguation 'manager' be appropriate? cygnis insignis 16:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The sixth oil

message: The Midnight Oil discography is up for FLC. Visit here to leave comments, with thanks k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 10:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography FLC 

message: no mention of this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuC_k51NUqU
its one of the hits in Australia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.37.58 (talk) 08:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  king of the mountain 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Midnight Oil. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080725135833/http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/midnightoil/biography to http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/midnightoil/biography
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20120311202338/http://www.ariaawards.com.au/history-by-artist.php?letter=M&artist=Midnight%20Oil to http://www.ariaawards.com.au/history-by-artist.php?letter=M&artist=Midnight%20Oil
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090202052952/http://www.ariaawards.com.au:80/history-by-award.php?awardID=36 to http://www.ariaawards.com.au/history-by-award.php?awardID=36
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080930052915/http://home.vicnet.net.au:80/~abr/Sept06/Rose%20review.htm to http://home.vicnet.net.au/~abr/Sept06/Rose%20review.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20081017142844/http://www.memorabletv.com:80/musicworld/ozrock/ltom.htm to http://www.memorabletv.com/musicworld/ozrock/ltom.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070926235720/http://www.ariaawards.com.au/history-by-year.php?year=1988 to http://www.ariaawards.com.au/history-by-year.php?year=1988
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090608063024/http://www.ariaawards.com.au:80/history-by-year.php?year=1991 to http://www.ariaawards.com.au/history-by-year.php?year=1991
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090225040650/http://www.news.com.au:80/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25099180-661,00.html to http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25099180-661,00.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090227073309/http://www.soundrelief.com.au:80/melb/index.php to http://www.soundrelief.com.au/melb/index.php
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 23:25, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Midnight Oil. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20110720220505/http://atraxorg.free.fr/forum/index.php to http://atraxorg.free.fr/forum/index.php
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20110721011638/http://www.memoree.fr/memory/bs-Nicolas_KINOT/souvenir/B0-Midnight_oil to http://www.memoree.fr/memory/bs-Nicolas_KINOT/souvenir/B0-Midnight_oil
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 23:21, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 6 external links on Midnight Oil. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive http://www.webcitation.org/5ycHaXVoJ?url=http://www.debbiekruger.com/pdfs/aprathirty.pdf to http://www.debbiekruger.com/pdfs/aprathirty.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080802221754/http://www.ariahalloffame.com.au/inductees_listing.htm to http://www.ariahalloffame.com.au/inductees_listing.htm
*Added archive https://archive.is/20120527030934/http://www.chartstats.com/artistinfo.php?id=5104 to http://www.chartstats.com/artistinfo.php?id=5104
*Added  tag to http://australian-charts.com/showitem.asp?key=1599&cat=a
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080308150930/http://www.apra.com.au/awards/music/2001_topten.asp to http://www.apra.com.au/awards/music/2001_topten.asp
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090716020126/http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/premier/artists-unite-for-sound-relief-bushfire-benefit.html to http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/premier/artists-unite-for-sound-relief-bushfire-benefit.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0%2C21985%2C25099180-661%2C00.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 00:45, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Midnight Oil. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080720033612/http://www.countdownmemories.com/exclusive_interviews/molly_interview.html to http://www.countdownmemories.com/exclusive_interviews/molly_interview.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've quoted Marbecks website which states that Resist is their 15th studio album (), but other sources, including the album article say it is their 13th album. Is there a definitive list of their work? Kiwipete (talk) 07:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of albums 

message: There doesn’t seem to be enough information about who the songwriters are. Jack Upland (talk) 03:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songwriters