Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Userboxes/Archive 2

message: sorry if this has already come up, but I've just noticed it and it is bugging me.
Some userboxes float right.
I think we should standardise all templated userboxes to float:left.  or float:right.  or something.  But whatever it is, it should be standardised.  Otherwise userboxes are a bitch if they're not in wikitables.  
 Deano 23:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. Lee S. Svoboda 00:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Thirded. Just leaving out float may work? --Grand Edgemaster Talk 00:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Fourthed, and yes, just scrap float Ian13ID:540053 10:24, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Fifthed. (Seeing as how it is the holidays, I thought mentioning alcohol might cheer some of you up? Ha ha ha...aaaahhh, yeah.) Scrapping float -does- work. I've done it before and nobody seems to complain too generously. Cernen 12:31, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  new goal 

message: The major tasks at the moment include adjusting template links. The primary way to find them is by looking at the what links here page (the ones linked under current tasks). Unfortunately, these can give false positives and also not show linked pages. This happens quite rarely but can be noticed where a page appears under userbox os but not on userbox browser but uses both those templates. In short, we should leave the redirects up until around a week after we have transferred the templates. At that time, check again to see if any new ones are there and fix those links. When we get to that stage we should then evaluate the situation again. --Grand Edgemaster Talk 00:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never noticed the "What links here" not to show a link page, if you find another example could you let me know. False postives are antoher story - they occur all of the time. My bot can touch a "What links here", clearing out the false postives. Just let me know.--Commander Keane 10:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  'What Links Here' not always accurate 

message: I orriginaly inteded this for WP:AGF but it appears no one assumes good faith enouh to allow me to do so. Might be some use to you. --Cool CatTalk|@ 02:03, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice image, I've used it for .  Cheers,  Deano (Talk) 17:26, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image for use

message: On the main page it is reccommended that  be changed to . Great care should be taken during this operation, initially due to the template being highly complex, and secondly due to the fact that  is text-only compared to the combined template which has images. I think that the complex template should have its contents extracted into single templates (which don't overwrite the current text-only ones in that space), and the complex template be modified to use conditional redirects, if that is possible. Someone should probably check the copyright status of the logos as well, since fair use images cannot be used on userpages.
In summary:
*We need an organised way of storing os/browser/wikipedia userboxes. Maybe the format of ?
*We need a way of separating text from image variants of the same box, maybe ?
*We need to move templates such as  to ?
Several of my ideas can probably be improved on.--Grand Edgemaster Talk 00:01, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Make categories in the Category: namespace to grou[p them together maybe? Could work, rather than effectively making one template out of many - Those ones (like ) are extremely hard to edit for most (see Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Religion') - haven't looked at the main page yet but maybe that was the reason for the suggestion. --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 02:56, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that categories are for this purpose. I also think that there are guidelines that only encyclopedic content should be placed into categories. Wikipedia user categories must begin with Wikipedian so to be different. --Grand Edgemaster Talk 23:57, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

text: While Windows is arguably the greatest market share on the planet, with something like 70% of computers using it as their OS, there are a growing number of people on alternative OS. User:AlMac|(talk) 13:01, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the target of that comment, but if it was aimed at my examples, it is the one on the main page and I assume the original author of that section would hope in the long term to apply it to all of the other OSs in that template to remove the complexity and to improve its babel-compatibility. --Grand Edgemaster Talk 23:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grouped templates 

message: Far be it from me to suggest sweeping policy change regarding how the wiki runs; hell. I just got here. But, since there seems to be talk of requesting so many different userboxes, and since so many people are interested in them...what about a userbox namespace? Then we could split UBX's into anything and everything we want, and they wouldn't count as templates. We'd draft up a few standards...well? Any suggestions? Cernen 12:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious. What extra things could we do if userboxes had their own namespace that we can't do now? I can can forsee naming, but nothing else.--Commander Keane 19:16, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought of doing this last week when we created the WikiProject actually.  I've got a draft started already - it'll be done in the coming week.  Have a look at ... then imagine just the headers.  Each links to the relevant subpage of WP:UBX, and so people can get to the page they require poste-haste.   Deano (Talk) 17:46, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm a little slow on the uptake, you lost me after the link to . What can you do with the namespace exactly?--Commander Keane 18:12, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the way I'm thinking, it'll act like a little box titled "Userboxes", and it will have about 10 links to the various sub-pages of WP:UBX, such as Sports, Location, Wiki, View/Beliefs etc.etc.  In hindsight, the  example was pretty bad.   Deano (Talk) 18:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think one of those boxes with links to all catagories is a great idea. I may undertake myself if I find the time. Ian13ID:540053 14:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Created! Ian13ID:540053 15:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Well there goes all the work I'd been doing.  Bollocks.  Deano (Talk) 15:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Namespace Potential, Anyone? 

message: There's a question about this from Riurik on Dec 26 Help Desk which perhaps someone here should try to answer? User:AlMac|(talk) 09:53, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: (done).   Deano (Talk) 17:41, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Ukraine or United Kingdon 

message: Hello. This userbox is really ugly and I have a better revision, but the page is protected and I'm not an admin. If someone would implement my version (you can find it at the bottom of the template's talk page; just be sure to leave the category in place) I'd appreciate it. Although a lot of people were edit warring over this (which is why it was protected), I think they'd all agree that the one in place is pretty bad and mine, even if it isn't final, is a step in the right direction. Thanks.--HereToHelp (talk) 19:02, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind.--HereToHelp (talk) 02:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|User democrat}}

message: Created this list so we can have controll off all userboxes: Wikipedia:List of userboxes
:No, this probably won't work. For one it will become highly unmanageable. The best list we have at the moment is the directory structure under WP:UBX. --Grand Edgemaster Talk 01:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You could transclude all of the subpages onto one big list - like what is done at Wikipedia:Reference desk/all--Commander Keane 07:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The purpouse was a list of all boxes, not how they look like :) →AzaToth 15:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't realise that the list was a databse query - it's obviously very useful. My idea about the transluded list which would show all userboxes is that users like to see a large selction on one page, rather than having to go through 15 subpages to get inspiration.--Commander Keane 09:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of userboxes 

message: User:AzaToth has deswitched  and moved contents into a sub-namespace to items like . Unfortunately during this move, none of the current format of boxes were redirected. I will implement a temporary switched redirect whilst this project can adjust existing boxes in the standardisation task. More discussion should be held at Template_talk:User_OS --Grand Edgemaster Talk 01:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated tasks list. --Grand Edgemaster Talk 01:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Okay. I think we need to decide what we shpuld use as the seperator.... Ian13ID:540053 15:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major work on [[Template: User OS]] 

message: I have started the rather large task of cleaning up the Non-ISO Languages userbox section as mentioned on the project's homepage. If anyone has any recommendations, or would like to contact me to offer a hand [you obviously don't have to contact me just to get started!] drop me a line at my talk page. --Richard0612 18:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup of [[Wikipedia:Userboxes/Non-ISO_Languages]] userbox page 

message: This is a 'Progress List" on what urgently needs to be done to the non-ISO section [i.e. broken links, set of userboxes not contiguous in style]
*American English
**No attention needed
*Blazon
**No attention needed [cleaned up as of 27/12/05]
*Bullshit
**No attention needed [cleaned up as of 27/12/05]
*Cockney/Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
** Attention desperately needed, only crs-4 has a valid userbox.
*Dumbass
**Some minor attention needed to ensure all boxes are contiguous.
*Foreign
** No attention needed [cleaned up as of 27/12/05]
*Gibberish
**Attention needed to make userboxes conform to at least a moderate standard of legibility.
*Lazy English
** No attention really needed, but the userboxes could be wikified and improved qualitywise.
*1337 or leetspeak
** No attention needed
*Pig latin
** No attention needed
*Quenya
**Attention needed, QUE-3 to N have no boxes associated with them Cleaned up as of 28/12/05 --Richard0612 09:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Progress on the task

message: I was going through Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:User_1 trying to fix the mess I helped make, but every page it listed seemed to not have a link to the Template.  Is something wrong, or am I just not looking hard enough? Lee S. Svoboda 23:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's normal, often all pages must be touched to show correct link information →AzaToth 23:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have let my bot touch all of the "What links here" for :Template:User 1. Before touching there were 83. Now there are 3. By the way, touching is just a blank save - saving a page without changing anything in the article. A blank save won't show in the edit history.--Commander Keane 09:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh wow. Could be by any chance have some command over this bot or its code or anything? And would it even be possible for a bot to be made (by you?) to do some of the userbox prefix changes for us? I have a host I can use (Grand Edgemasters server infact) where it could be hosted, and that servers quite secure, we could put a load amount limit on it to prevent spamming. Thanks for anycomments/help. Ian13ID:540053 20:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "what links here" not working 

message: Since the pages that list userboxes (not the boxes themselves) use a bunch of templates, I think it would be useful if you guys could put links to purge the server cache at the top of such such pages (like on top of WP:PR). This would prove useful to those looking for their templates of the most up-to-date versions. Please consider my request.--HereToHelp (talk) 02:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On top of this - is there any way we can stop Wikipedia:Userbox pages being categorised when a template is added?   Deano (Talk) 11:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are times we want to be included in the category of people involved in something, and there are times we want to refer to the userboxes without being in the category, such as explaining things at the Help Desk or New User Log.  Perhaps something in the coding could say to have the category linkage active only if the page it is on begins with the word "User". User:AlMac|(talk) 17:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be done, bout it would violate WP:AUM →AzaToth 17:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Purge links

message: Does Wikipedia:Userboxes/WikiProjects really warrant sub-pages? I would certainly agree with categorization, but sub-pages? It just doesn't make sense to me, that is, the main page with 6 boxes in the "Other" category, but 3 sub-pages with 7, 8, and 4 boxes in those. I dunno, I'll get off my soapbox now... -slowpokeiv 14:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Overturn split I say all one page. Ian13ID:540053 14:36, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Userboxes/WikiProjects ? 

message: Or does it not matter?  Just noticed an apparent inconsistency in the code; most, at a glance, use all lowercase whilst some capitalise ‘u’. Nige 16:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It technically doesn't matter as the U is always automatically capitalised by the wikimedia software. --Grand Edgemaster Talk 17:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But still, should we use a convention? It makes it easier for bots.--Commander Keane 17:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are making a convention it should probably be to use CAP.  Simply because it puts one minisculium less strain on the servers.   Deano (Talk) 17:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I second 'User'. Ian13ID:540053 17:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ‘User’ it is.  I'll edit the guidelines on the main page to suit.Nige 15:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  User or user? 

message: I agree it's better to use free images when possible, but if we stick strictly to the policy of no fair use images, many, many boxes will have to be modified -- I'm thinking basically of everything with a logo, such as Wikipedia:Userboxes/Political Parties and Wikipedia:Userboxes/Schools/United States. I think it would be acceptable to set the policy of no fair use images except logos. I'm not sure, what do you think? -- Tetraminoe 07:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support that, yes. —Nightstallion (?) 07:42, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use & logos 

message: At the moment  pseudo-redirects to  etc. It uses a swtich template, which is a violation of WP:AUM.
So, is the  situation going to be split into seperate templates like what has been done with browsers?
Will  have to be split up into different template becasue it too uses a switch templates?--Commander Keane 16:50, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. All switch templates will - but atleast it will stop our babel box problems. Ian13ID:540053 16:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  User programming 

message: I guess this project has met its untimely end since User:Kelly Martin has unceremoniously chosen to delete a large number of userboxes that "express opinion"? Or is it going to be reabsorbed back into BABEL? -- Миборовский U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai! 22:21, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean, if someone can delete other people's work without the slightest attempt at communicating, why put anything into it? -- Миборовский U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai! 22:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I would very much like to see a detailed response from Ms. Martin. At this point, I have trouble seeing her actions as anything other than a violation of the spirit of Wikipedia, and her rationale very likely violates Wikipedia policy, as well. And the arbitrariness of her deletions gives me pause, as well. – Seancdaug 22:34, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Kelly Martin's deletion log documents the deletions. Disucssion appears to happening at her talk--Commander Keane 22:39, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A Request for comment has been filed.--Commander Keane 22:43, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

text: This won't be the end of the project - not without a struggle anyway. Ian13ID:540053 11:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of the project 

message: On the topic of userboxes that serve no purpose except to be divisive, what do people think about the "lang-0" templates, such as ?
When  was first proposed, people seemed to agree that it was a useful template for the English Wikipedia, to convey the important information that a certain contributor does not understand English, but it wouldn't make any sense to do with other languages. But now -0 templates exist for various languages, dialects, and non-ISO "languages", and it seems their sole purpose is to express disdain about the target language. That strikes me as a pretty awful use of templates.
Any thoughts? rspeer / ɹəədsɹ  06:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a lot of the non-ISO language -0 templates are primarily intended to be humorous. I don't really see a problem with them, but I wouldn't really fight their removal either. For "real" languages, I think they do serve a purpose. Take me, for example: I edit a fair number of articles relating to societies and cultures (particularly Japan and Wales). The -0 templates allow me to clarify that my interest in these subjects does not extend to a working knowledge of the language, which is potentially useful to know in a variety of situations (such as when dealing with foreign language sources). – Seancdaug 07:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  -0 userboxes 

message: As indicated here, usage of the "Userbox" prefix has been fixed (=eliminated). Those that remain with the "Userbox" prefix are creation templates that will remain with that prefix, as per this discussion. I guess the Current tasks section on the project page can be adjusted now...--Commander Keane 14:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Updating! Providing all those evil page protects are gone. Ian13ID:540053 17:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good news, "Userbox" prefix eliminated