Talk:John Doolittle

message: Abramoff listed John Doolittle as also using the boxes 5 times, though Doolittle claims he used a box only once, though he admits that he failed to report that to the FEC, The Washington Post, Dec. 26, 2004;
* In a recent interview on the radio he admited he used it "infrequently" and had failed to report it.  He did however report it when it was brought to his attention. (Signed: J.Smith) 04:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abramoff 1 

message: Should Rep. John Doolittle return contributions he received from Jack Abramoff or his clients?
No, he hasn't been convicted of breaking any laws. 23.39% (116)
He should return the money that came from casinos 4.64% (23)
He should return all of the money. 48.59% (241)
What difference does it make? 23.39% (116)
Total Votes: 496
http://theunion.com/article/20060114/OPINION/101140140&SearchID=73233656781227
*Website polls are, unscientific, bias and very susceptible to vandalism.  I'd rather we not use it at a source for anything. (Signed: J.Smith) 04:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll - should Doolittle return Abramoff money?

message: Great job on that section... might be a bit long now!  I think you avoided pov quite nicely. ---J.Smith 19:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  It probably is a bit long for its (relative) importance, and I'd welcome someone else trimming it a bit.  John Broughton 19:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is there a relevant wikinews article?  Would could always truncate it completely and direct people to the wikinews article for more info.  *shrug* ---J.Smith 09:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Federal funds for interchange project  

message: Ok, first of all, removing huge sections of text over and over IS VANDALISM!  That's the only word for it.  Oh, it is a blockable offence to violate the WP:3RR.
Lastly...  looks like a valid edit.  I'll be reverting back to it.  The wording is better, the phrasing is clearer and it presents things a bit better, and it dosn't have the page blanking in it. ---J.Smith 06:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert war and vandalism 

message: I think sourcing talkingpointsmemo.com in the way that it has been sourced in inappropriate.   Starting a fact and then sourcing a secondary source isn't appropriate.  I plan on removing it this by the end of this weekend.  I'm leaving it for now with the faith that someone can find a better source and that tpm might be a decent starting point for research. ---J.Smith 09:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ 

message: We have some serious need of citations in parts of this article.  Can we work on that insteed of this revert war? I'd had to need to go back to the WP:3RR people AGAIN. ---J.Smith 09:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed 

message: If you take a look at this article it is mainly focused on the criticisms section.  I think that section takes up like 3/4 of the words on the page. Some of Doolittle's most important acomplishments are only mentioned in the intro and never again.  There is something wrong with that I think. 
Here is a partial list of things we need to do a bit of writing on to 'round out' the article, in my opinion.
* Background
** Education
** Carrier as a lawyer
* Accomplishments
** Role exposing the House banking scandal (this would really be just a 1-3 liner with a see-also link I guess)
** Notable Bills authored
** Awards
Even if someone doesnt want to do with writing yourself, you can simply add some links to potential sources of information.  That would be really helpful.  ---J.Smith 10:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needed Sections: 

message: I was going to revert it too, but it looks like I was beat.  Sorry bout that.  1. It was a copyvio.  2. it was highly POV (begging the question, etc) and 3, it made a claim that John violated the law with no citation. (franked mail for the August 9th primary at taxpayer expense. implies he violated federal law) ---J.S (t|c) 01:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I put back the one sentence from the newspaper article that I'm assuming you inadvertently deleted.  One sentence, of course, is not a copyright violation - it's fair use.  And the sentence was strictly factual, not POV.  So I hope there isn't any problem with keeping it in.  John Broughton 12:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  franking mention 

message: The section was a direct copy/paste from the Sac Bee article.  I removed it to comply with copyright law.  Please please don't do that again User:Doolitt.  Heres the source so it can be used again:
:David Whitney, E-mail adds fuel to the fire, Sacramento Bee, October 13, 2006, page A6
-- ---J.S (t|c) 20:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed "Vietnam" section 

message: Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.166.224.67 (talk • contribs) 
::These go on user talk pages... ---J.S (t|c) 16:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Note to 69.249.253.211

message: Is a legit source. Devilmaycares 00:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very true, but irrelevant.  The subject is so insignificant that the been barley dedicated a sentence at the END of the article to it. It's not important enough to be here, it's highly POV and it's "begging the question," a rhetorical device used in political debates and not appropriate for wikipedia.  I know you have an agenda here.  I can tell from your edits. ---J.S (t|c) 01:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That's YOUR point of view of the issue.  HIS statement was that he planned to fight in Vietnam after he finished his obligation to his religion.  Now, I have no idea what is true, but the quote you put in the article is not acceptable. ---J.S (t|c) 03:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sac bee 

message: Many of the "controversies" explained in the section are written in a way that presumes guilt. Statements like "John Doolittle has been entangled in the scandal involving Jack Abramoff" are non-NPOV, and should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by VermontMaster (talk • contribs) 
:He has been "entangled."  I'm not sure how "entangled" presumes guilt however? Do you have any other examples of problem areas? ---J.S (t|c) 22:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Why the heck do we need the "current events" tag? The article hasn't really been changing all that much in the past week. I'm going to remove it as an unnecessary disclaimer. ---J.S (t|c) 23:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I've also removed the POV tag and added a future election tag.  (And I thought your response in the section immediately above was excellent, by the way.) John Broughton  |  Talk 13:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks John. ---J.S (t|c) 15:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current events, future election candidate, and POV tags

message: First of all, the source (brainyquote.com) is an advertising covered website that doesnt cite it's own sources. That makes it a very poor source indeed. 
Secondly, when someone chooses a list of quotes, they chose it to prove a point. That's called POV editing and it's not acceptable. 
Lastly, wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information. There is a Wiki for quotes: go put the quotes on their. ---J.S (t|c) 06:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That has nothing to do with -this- issue. Your choices of quotes is fairly telling. ---J.S (t|c) 06:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Do you mind indenting please?  And I'm sure you don't mean quite what you said... ---J.S (t|c) 15:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes section 

message: I removed the part about him getting massages and stuff because it was unreferenced and seems unnecessary IMHO [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Doolittle&diff=111925742&oldid=110244170] (since the activities were paid for by Doolittle, I don't see it as particularly relevant). The next reference in fact mentions this a bit but is also quotes a spokesperson as saying the massages etc were paid for by Doolittle. Unless there is someone disputing this, we have to accept it as fact IMHO. So if someone feels there is merit, ensure it's referenced and make sure you mention that it was paid for by Doolittle. Nil Einne 22:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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