Talk:Manhattan Life Insurance Building

message: There seems to be two stories how this was demolished.  The article said:
"was demolished in 1930 for the Irving Trust Bank Headquarters Building."
but Emporis says:
"By the 1960s, the building was no longer particularly tall or fashionable, and was demolished to make way for the 1965 addition to the Irving Trust Company’s Art Deco One Wall Street, now The Bank of New York."
--Quasipalm 15:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is, I see no such thing in the photos you linked to.  The image, :File:Manhattan Life Insurance Company Building New York City.jpg, shows no dome and I see no other structure resembling the MLIC building in the photos you linked.  I don't have the book you mention, though the quote from the usually reliable Emporis is worrying.  Perhaps if you brought more compelling evidence, gave some edit summaries explaining why (or at least directing people to this discussion), and didn't call other contributors to this encyclopedia "morons", your changes would be more likely to stay.  Astronaut (talk) 13:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

text: User:212.71.148.175, You need to calm down, and find some reliable websites. "Morons", you refer to are Wikipedians that have been on Wikipedia, for a much longer period than you have, so do not call editors "morons". If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk) 07:11, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  "In 1936, the Manhattan Life Insurance Company relocated its offices to One-Hundred-Twenty West 57th Street in midtown Manhattan. Then, catastrophe arrived when the building was only 69 years old; in a 1963 act of utter desecration, the Manhattan Life Insurance Building was demolished." Sound fammiliar? A quote from the book. Now, It states that the MLIC relocated in 1936. The building could have been demolished in 1930, because the company relocated somewhere else. You can't relocate somewhere without owning that new site...so in the years 1930-1932 they had no relocation sites. 
"Then, catastrophe arrived when the building was only 69 years old; in a 1963 act of utter desecration, the Manhattan Life Insurance Building was demolished" <--- from my understanding, that sentence tells us that Manhattan Life Insurance Building was demolished...the relocated MLIC, not the original.
....Then again, you can't trust all books. But you can trust reliable references -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk) 11:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Granted. Good Job! -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 09:46, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

text: No. -- MST☆R    (Chat Me!) 01:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

text: here and here. In this article: "It was the first skyscraper to pass 330 ft (100 m) in Manhattan, and was demolished to make way for the Irving Trust Company Building (now One Wall Street) completed in 1931 and extended in 1965, that served as headquarters for the former Irving Trust Bank." -- MST☆R    (Chat Me!) 02:50, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, not the most authoritative of sources, but enough, I think, for me to revert back to your version.  I still think there's some confusion between the Irving Trust Bulding and its Annex behind all this, but I'll keep looking for a more definitive source.  Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:20, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What I find odd, is that sources have cited dates of the demolition - that are more than 30 years apart. Surely there must be a reliable undisputed source out there that has only one date. This is where we need a time machine, bad. Thank you -- MST☆R    (Chat Me!) 03:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Allthough articles I provided clearly outlined this particular building as being destroyed/demolished in 1930 - your edit do have mirror and have stated otherwise. I think the 30 year gap issue has been resolved - well as much as it possibly can. Thank you -- MST☆R    (Chat Me!) 05:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: When destroyed?

message: MelbourneStar reverted my edit saying (basically) that most sources agree on 63 (or 64) as the year it was demolished -- and that remains the case.  What is the source that says it came down in 1930? I cannot find one. (I imagine the confusion between the Irving Trust Building (1928-32) and its Annex (1965).) Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: here and here. In this article: "It was the first skyscraper to pass 330 ft (100 m) in Manhattan, and was demolished to make way for the Irving Trust Company Building (now One Wall Street) completed in 1931 and extended in 1965, that served as headquarters for the former Irving Trust Bank." -- MST☆R    (Chat Me!) 02:50, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, not the most authoritative of sources, but enough, I think, for me to revert back to your version.  I still think there's some confusion between the Irving Trust Bulding and its Annex behind all this, but I'll keep looking for a more definitive source.  Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:20, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What I find odd, is that sources have cited dates of the demolition - that are more than 30 years apart. Surely there must be a reliable undisputed source out there that has only one date. This is where we need a time machine, bad. Thank you -- MST☆R    (Chat Me!) 03:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Allthough articles I provided clearly outlined this particular building as being destroyed/demolished in 1930 - your edit do have mirror and have stated otherwise. I think the 30 year gap issue has been resolved - well as much as it possibly can. Thank you -- MST☆R    (Chat Me!) 05:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding 1930 as the demolition date