Talk:HMS Captain (1869)

message: I saw it on NGC TV that the Captain wreck has been visited and filmes so one could possibly dig up some images for the article?
:Those images are likely copyrighted and so not desirable, but there are a couple well-known images of the ship afloat, which would be PD. Google turns up a poor-quality scan of an etching at , and a photo at . Stan 12:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

message: I have deleted the following:
:and when Coles proposed a masted, ten turret vessel in 1859, the Chief Constructor of the Navy, Sir Edward Reed, objected. Both men lobbied fiercely both politicians and the press, Coles to get his ship constructed, and Reed to stop Coles.
The reasons for deleting it are:
* The statement about Coles proposing a masted, ten turret vessel in 1859 may be correct, but is in the wrong part of the story.  Blackwood's magazine had an article on ironclads in 1859 or 1860 which discussed something similar.
* Reed did not get the job as chief constructor until 1863.
* The stuff about lobbying seems unfair to Reed.  It was the turret ship enthusiasts who lobbied hard for Captain.  If both parties were lobbying equally, let us see some contemporary citations.
--Toddy1 16:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice. Now in the article there suddenly pops up a certain Reed who says this and that. That's unfair to the reader. --84.161.189.197 (talk) 01:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of Impossible Statement

message: I have deleted the following:
:Following the sinking, both Reed and Robinson resigned from their positions.
*Edward James Reed resigned in July 1870. (Source: http://www.hmscaptain.co.uk/Characters/edwardreed.htm)
*HMS Captain sank on the night of 6/7 September 1870 (i.e. two months later). (Source: http://www.hmscaptain.co.uk/The%20Story/final%20trial.htm)
*Robinson was "Controller of the navy (until Gladstone decided, in the light of the loss of the Captain, for which he was quite unfairly blamed by Childers - that the appointment would not be extended at the end of his second five-year term)" (Source: http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowBiog.php?id=112)
--Toddy1 (talk) 19:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of 2nd Impossible Statement

message: Please have a look
Thank you
Grijalvo (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first link does not work for me 

message: ...Laird Brothers who built the ship... had considerable experience with building similar ships...AT Kunene (talk) 10:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ironclads built by Lairds up to and including the ''Captain''

message: I'll conceed the point that scientific shipbuilding did begin with Colbert but what I meant was iron warship building.
In its published Transactions, The Royal Institute of Naval Architects describes Laird Brothers as both the "Elder Generation" and scientifically trained.
Perhaps it could be agreed that the science of ship design began with Colbert and was firmly established by the time of Lairds and Edward Reed.AT Kunene (talk) 09:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific ship design. 

message: Today's version of the article has the following statement:
:Furthermore, the Captain floated upside down for between three and ten minutes, a most unusual occurrence which indicated that her center of buoyancy, when upright, was much too low.
Most of this was added on 18 July 2013, which said:
:Furthermore, the Captain floated upside down for between three and ten minutes, a most unusual occurrence.
What the source says about this on page 477 is as follows:
:"The time during which the vessel floated on the surface upside down is estimated by the survivors at three minutes, five minutes, and even ten minutes.  It is quite plain, then, that the ship had not fitted with water or gone down in the ordinary way of a ship which founders, fills, and goes down through excessive weight.  The Captain simply turned over and continued to float for from 180 to 600 seconds of time."
Scott Russell's article then goes on to speculate that the ship sank when its engine room filled with water, and suggested a mechanism that might have caused the engine room to fill.
I have substituted the following:
:Survivors testified that the Captain floated upside down for between three and ten minutes, which proved that the ship had capsized.
-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  A sentence in the article that was originally supported by the source, but as altered no longer does 

message: 8 ft - 22 in should be 6 ft 2 in (and 2.4-0.56 is not 1.98).
pietro2001:760:2C00:8001:4992:A4A:FDEE:7573 (talk) 19:24, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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