Talk:Augustin-Jean Fresnel

message: Hi there,
the name of this man is written without a dash (no dash in the  1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, not in several german books, not in the french wikipedia ...) -- Schusch 20:47, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's any consistency in whether compound first names like this (formerly very common in French) are written with a dash or not.  In general even French sources sometimes write them with, sometimes without. -- Curps 15:39, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyphenation of given names? 

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message: I'm not natively French but I'm pretty sure that I've heard french and most other people (apart from Americans) pronounce his surname as  /freˈnɛl/ i.e. freh-nell.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.250.108.155 (talk) 07:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only have I only ever heard the lens name pronounced as "freh-nel", but the IPA symbol /ɛ/ used for his name is consistent with this, and not consistent with "ay" (which would be /e/). I think this is just a minor error in the eye-dialect representation, and I'll change it if I don't see arguments otherwise within a day or so here. Sharkford (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: The career section says "He received only scant public recognition during his lifetime for his labours in the cause of optical science" but the detail section says that " in 1819 he received the prize of the Académie des Sciences at Paris, in 1823 he was unanimously elected a member of the French Academy of Science, in 1825 he became a Fellow of the Royal Society of London, and in 1827 the Royal Society of London awarded him the Rumford Medal. Even in the quotation given, he talks about "All the compliments that I have received from Arago, Laplace and Biot...".  I don't see support for the claim of "scant public recognition", so I am deleting this sentence. Geoffrey.landis (talk) 15:48, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrecognized? 

message: Since proposing the "major expansion", I have opened an eponymous account, which I shall use from now on.
"Phase 1" of the expansion has been uploaded. I envisage that subsequent "phases" will involve further checking against sources, with little change in length but (presumably) improvements in clarity and accuracy. The diagram of the Fresnel rhomb also needs work... .
I would have liked to do more of that "checking against sources" before uploading; but I am about to be interrupted (again), and I was not willing to delay the upload for the duration.
Warning: There are inconsistencies between secondary sources (see the notes). To correct any factual error or omission, you need more than a single secondary source.
Disclosure: I don't know French. Wherever I have been forced to consult French sources, I have also been forced to use online translators.
Quirks of the author: This article generally uses American spellings and punctuation, but avoids two extreme Americanisms, namely (i) "meter" for a unit of measure, and (ii) placing a stop before a closing quotation mark when the actual quote ends with a weaker stop or no stop.
Many thanks to the many past contributors of illustrations. I wrote all of the text but did not upload a single image .
— Gavin R Putland (talk) 12:14, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major expansion — Phase 1 

message: My edit of 09:13, 23 December 2017, may incidentally be taken as the end of "Phase 2" (checking against Grattan-Guinness, 1990). Subsequent "phases" were indicated on the article's history page. I eventually uploaded one image of my own, namely the corrected diagram of the Fresnel rhomb (compare the original).
Having finished "Phase 8", I do not envisage making further changes except to fix bugs.
— Gavin R Putland (talk) 11:25, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major expansion — completed? 

message: This article has not been re-rated since the "major expansion" that began in late 2017. — Gavin R Putland (talk) 04:43, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work on the expansion. Article ratings are rarely updated. It probably could be bumped up to B-class but you should consider nominating it for GA status. Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Ratings out of date

message: N.B.: The "Historical context..." subsection of this article promises: "In this subsection, optical phenomena that were unexplained or whose explanations were disputed are named in bold type."
For better or worse, this article uses italics rather than quotation marks when referring to words as words (both options being permitted by the MoS). However, I concede that I may have been overzealous in using italics for emphasis.
I belatedly notice that the  template is available for consistent formatting of internal references. It uses italics.
Off-topic, I thank the several editors who reverted vandalism on 29 July 2018.
— Gavin R Putland (talk) 12:44, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Look before you leap! 

message: The French pronunciation of his first name is given as [ɔɡystɛ̃].  I've always understood written au to represent /o/, not /ɔ/.  (I wonder how many minimal pairs there are; paume vs pomme comes to mind.)  Also, why slashes (signifying broad transcription) for English but brackets (narrow) for French? —Tamfang (talk) 22:01, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any opinion(s)? I notice that the first suggestion would be consistent with the article on Cauchy. — Gavin R Putland (talk) 22:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Tamfang's first suggestion has been implemented for the time being. — Gavin R Putland (talk) 10:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  French back vowels 

message: , I just realized that the one thing I didn't check in the GA criteria was the image licensing.  Looking through now, I see four photographs that were taken in France and which included statuary or architectural elements.  France doesn't have freedom of panorama, so these need fair use rationales.  The four are:
* :File:Augustin Fresnel buste Broglie.jpg
* :File:Léonor Mérimée.jpg
* :File:Bust of Augustin Fresnel by David d'Angers-MnM 41 OA 256 D-IMG 8741.jpg
* :File:Père-Lachaise - Division 14 - Fresnel 01.jpg
You can either remove them from the article or add a rationale. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 12:56, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely the lack of freedom of panorama is an issue only if the primary work (e.g. sculpture) is still subject to copyright. That won't be the case with Fresnel's grave, or the bust by d'Angers (who died in 1856). Nor will it be the case with the Broglie monument (inaugurated 1884) or the nearby bas-relief of Mérimée (apparently erected 1895) unless a copyright owner died in the last 100 years of war-related causes, or in the last 70 years in other circumstances. In neither case do I know the identity of the artist(s). "Abundance of caution" suggests commenting out the first two items on the above list. — Gavin R Putland (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't take long to get past my comfort zone with image rules, so I'm going to ask someone I know is expert.  , Gavin's response sounds correct to me; can you confirm? Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 16:19, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If the works pictured are in the public domain due to their age we should just add tags saying so to the image description pages, with no need for a fair-use rationale in that case. Works "published" (publicly erected) before 1925 will be in the public domain in the US; if the French copyright is uncertain, we should be able to upload them locally, but :commons:Template:PD-EU-no_author_disclosure or another tag may apply. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  In each case, I have no evidence of publication of the creator's name; I don't have evidence of non-publication. I cannot fill all the obligatory fields of the fair-use rationale, and the proposition that "Monuments are meant to be seen!" does not seem to be a recognized rationale. So, for the time being, I have commented out the two images, namely :File:Augustin Fresnel buste Broglie.jpg and :File:Léonor Mérimée.jpg. — Gavin R Putland (talk) 04:36, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images that need to be removed or have fair use rationales added