Talk:Assyrians/Syriacs in Sweden

message: Sorry, but shouldn't be belong with the entertainers? highlunder 09:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Daniel Boyacioglu

message: are implicating that the Assyrian/Syriacs in Sweden are divided in two groups, Arameanists and Assyrianists. This is however not true, there is Syrianer (Syriacs) and Assyrier (Assyrians). The term "Arameans" in Sweden is not used in a greater extent, it is only used to describe the decendants of the Syriac group, the Arameans. The TriZ (talk) 14:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, sorry. --dab (𒁳) 15:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Arameanism and Assyriansim

message: First of all, dbachmann, shame on you for focusing on continually renaming this article rather than cleaning up poor writing and grammatical errors. I did read the article, apparently you never read it thoroughly enough.
Second, it does not matter what the Swedish term for this ethnic group is, on the English Wikipedia. This article should be at Assyrians in Sweden in line with all other similar articles and according to WPMOS. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 06:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey. Here's my opinion: the current title doesn't work. Assyrians/Syriacs currently redirects to "Assyrian people", so honestly I think Assyrians in Sweden is the better title.  My suggestion is to move the article to that link, and then listing the discussion at WP:RM and getting more people to comment on it. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 04:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Throwing in my 2 cents: I think it is time there were separate pages for Assyrians and Syriacs. These are two different identities. Never mind ethnicity -- since that is something impossible to prove either way for ANY ethnic group. Let's stop forcing an identity on people and have separate pages for Assyrians and Syriacs which will explain the situation. There are thousands of people who in no way identify themselves as Assyrians and there's no reason for us to force this identity on them; and the reverse is true: why talk about some combined Assyrian/Syriac people for people who only see themselves as Assyrians? It's the only way 1) to stop warring over pages; 2) to address the situation as it stands (ie separate communities with their own organisations, TV stations, publications, etc); 3) to value identity over genetic ethnicity. Just read the Ethnic group article from wikipedia: "An ethnic group is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage that is real or assumed- sharing cultural characteristics This shared heritage may be based upon putative common ancestry, history, kinship, religion, language, shared territory, nationality or physical appearance. Members of an ethnic group are conscious of belonging to an ethnic group; moreover ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness." Ordtoy (talk) 08:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: sigh. there are two pages for the two identities. Please read up on the background. The identities are Assyrianism and Arameanism. The problem is that both groups claim the same history, so you cannot meaningfully  separate them. Please send me a note the day the Assyrianist and Aramaeanist faction can agree which group gets to claim Ephraim the Syrian as one of their own. The two groups diverge only in the 20th century. Their 20th century history can be traced as two separate stories, mostly marked by fighting with the other group. For any time predating 1900, the group was simply known as "Syrians".  --dab (𒁳) 16:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sign indeed! But I still think that two separate pages for two separate identities would solve the problem. For Ephrem (and all the others) we can identify them by religion (probably the only identity he had) and note the ethnic claims. The problem I have is that prior to 1900 there were two separate stories too -- people identified by their religious affiliation: Syriac Orthodox/Catholic did not identify as being of the same group/people/whatever as the Nestorians or Chaldeans. The attempt to establish a single ethnic Assyrian identity has had mixed success. Some of the Syriacs accept, many don't so it doesn't make sense to me to force this on Wikipedia pages. But that's just my opinion... Ordtoy (talk) 05:04, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article naming and stupid edit war 

message: User:MaronitePride's number 4 above; removal of some supposed 1100 Muslims under "Religion". Joshua Project claims that there are 1150 Hertevin speakers and that they are Muslims. I can't see what this has do with Assyrians in Sweden? Secondly, they are wrong. Speakers of Hertevin are Chaldean Catholic. Otto Jastrow, who discovered the dialect, writes on page 18 in "Der neuaramäische Dialekt von Hertevin (Provinz Siirt)" (1988): "Dieser dialekt wurde von chaldäischen Christen, den Undergebenen eines Kurdenaghas, in dem Dorf Hertevin, einige Kilometer westlich von Pervari, Provinz Siirt gesprochen." Shmayo (talk) 15:12, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  (e • t • c) 12:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

text: — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:39, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 14 April 2015 

message: add this template 
Kiwi (talk) 19:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 08:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 1 July 2015 

message: This is a double redirect.
5.169.165.37 (talk) 07:28, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 2 August 2016 

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