Talk:Susan Hayward

message: Okay, for the fun of it, I decided to test a theory. I picked another popular movie at random from about the same time period as The Conqueror, I picked the The Caine Mutiny. Of the 42 actors listed in the credits at IMDb for The Caine Mutiny, it only list the cause of death (or that have died) for 15 of them. Of those 15, 8 died of cancer, 1 of a brain tumor, and 1 of leukemia. That is 53% outright of cancer, and 66.7% of cancer related diseases.
*The Caine Mutiny (died of cancer related diseases):
**Humphrey Bogart
**José Ferrer 
**Tom Tully 
**E.G. Marshall 
**Warner Anderson
**Claude Akins 
**Jerry Paris
**Steve Brodie 
**Don Dubbins
**Todd Karns
**Tyler McVey 
*Filming Locations for The Caine Mutiny (1954):
**Los Angeles, California, USA 
**Naval Station Treasure Island, San Francisco, California, USA 
**Pearl Harbor, O`ahu, Hawaii, USA 
**Yosemite National Park, California, USA 
I suppose Yosemite gave those people cancer? 
WikiDon 23:44, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Some speculated" part needs sourcing.  I seem to recall something about this in the book "The Day we Bombed Utah" - if anyone wants to look it up.  Rklawton 13:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cause of Death 1) Smoking or 2) The Conqueror

message: Should this page have a disambiguation page, since there are two notable Susan Haywards - one of them, who isn't wikified (and whom I just came here looking for) writes widely distributed film theory articles and books, and is currently a professor of French at the University of Exeter in the UK. More than that I haven't been able to find out! --Harmonica 01:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the future, please put a new subject at the bottom of the talk page and don't remove a prior post. In answer to your question, there already is a disambiguation page and it would be appropriate to add this other Susan Hayward to that. Doc 01:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the comment which didn't seem to be replying to anything and was just taking up space with poor grammar! Thanks for backseat moderating, though! --Harmonica 00:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

message: Was Susan born in 1917 or 1918? Some sites have different years. Hotwine8 03:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthyear 

message: I highly doubt Hayward was given "massive doses of dopamine" 
Dyslexix 00:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illness 

message: Where is the source for this?  She was friends with George Cukor and was a pal of many Hollywood designers.  This article alludes to Ms. Hayward being homophobic and everything I have read on her says differently.  Hilljayne (talk) 16:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the whole paragraph.  It came verbatim from an IMDb mini bio and it's a problem for 2 reasons.  1. it's not reliable as the IMDb bios are submitted by editors.  There is nothing to indicate it's been fact checked.  2. IMDb is a copyrighted site, so to just copy chunks of text is a copyright violation as therefore not acceptable.  (It was also badly written - 'her taste in men ran strictly to the masculine' sounds like it came from some lurid gossip rag) Rossrs (talk) 21:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disliked gay men? 

message: An editor removed two paragraphs from the lead because "this is entirely a duplication of information that's already in the bio". The lead contents are not an exact duplication, and per WP:LEAD, the contents of a lead should reflect the content in the article as well as serve as a stand-alone article. If you think it duplicates the content too much, then revise the wording. However, this  effectively deleted the mention of four other Academy Awards nominations from the lead entirely, and trimmed it to one small paragraph. It has not helped the lead, it has cut it down to 3 sentences and removed key mention of several points. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: re: "If you think it duplicates the content too much, then revise the wording," that's exactly what I did. The nominations are listed in her filmography later in the article. Sottolacqua (talk) 22:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't reworded, but was more than cut in half.  The intention of the lead is to summarize the article as much as possible so that it can be read alone and still give the reader a comprehensive overall view, but in a briefer format.   Sometimes information is directly duplicated, and there should be nothing in the lead that isn't in the article.   This edit cutout other nominations, the fact that her career began as an unsuccesful Scarlett O'Hara audition, and ended with a well publicized cancer battle.   These are just as much a part of her story.  In any case, it was a fairly major edit, and that's fine to be bold and make it, but when there is disagreement, please remember that other editors are entitled to challenge and rather than reverting, discussion may be needed per  WP:CONSENSUS.   Rossrs (talk) 23:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead is too long and overdetailed, with duplicated information that adds little yet makes the introduction less readable. Reverted :) Little Professor (talk) 23:58, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Which part of WP:LEAD does it not comply with?  There is no WP:CONSENSUS to abbreviate the lead, and this is still under discussion, and for that reason I am reverting it back.  The discussion is "should the lead be abbreviated" and that has not yet been decided.  :) Rossrs (talk) 00:06, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead