Talk:Extreme weather

message: If not a graph, then what?  Numbers?  A paragraph word problem? --James S. 00:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is you are making strong predictions (unmotivated by outside sources) and obscuring the underlying data.  If you stuck closer to the data, presented a graph like this, and described it fairly (e.g. noted that some of the change is related to non-environmental factors like income and population growth) then it should be fine.  Dragons flight 01:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, you found that after I'd been looking for months. Thank you. And you know your graphs are much more attractive than mine, because I'm an audio stats guy, and my graphic design training was mostly along the lines of developing film from a phototypesetter.  So, please, boldly fix the graph you think should be, with as much or as little information about the trend and its confidence interval as you feel is appropriate. --James S. 18:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  Also, I forgot:  I am sorry I accused you of bad faith regarding the orientation of the x-axis from left to right.  At the time, I was being accused of POV-pushing and I couldn't believe that people actually held the other point of view after the amount of government effort being paid to push it had been disclosed.  Please accept my apology. --James S. 18:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the best way to display the trend information? 

message: What the fuq!?!? Can you explain the revert WMC? J. D. Redding
: You're not the only pereson who got in trouble with the arbcomm:  Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change_dispute_2 William M. Connolley 11:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to repeat the entirety of the arguments in the arbcomm case, I suggest you do it in some corner of your user pages where it won't waste everyone elses time William M. Connolley 14:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WMC removed reference formatting!

message: Hi, does anyone know of a source somewhere on the internet that lists extremes for the previous day, I wish to plot the daily highest temperature with google maps but cannot seem to find any source for this information despite hours of googleing. Htaccess 12:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global daily highest temperature 

message: Does this article strike anyone else as strange? --James S. 22:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange tornado force-scale recalibration article 

message: Missourian News
By KURT AUSTIN, March 31, 2006
Forty-four tornadoes touched down across Missouri on March 11-12, resulting in 10 fatalities and 107 injuries, according to updated information from ground and aerial surveys done by the National Weather Service’s Missouri offices.
Several of the tornadoes in mid-Missouri, including the one that killed four in Renick, were given an F3 rating on the Fujita scale used to estimate wind speeds based on damage. A tornado in Monroe County was rated F4, a classification for tornadoes with winds between an estimated 210 and 261 miles per hour.
At this time next year, tornadoes causing the same amount of damage will be classified as having lower wind speeds based on research showing the existing scale overestimates wind speed.
The old scale, named after famed storm researcher Tetsuya Theodore Fujita and adopted in 1971, was thought to be limited by meteorologists in its ability to draw a correlation between damage and wind speed.
“The new scale refines the wind speed,” said Pat Slattery, spokesman for the National Weather Service’s regional office in Kansas City. “The corrections will make the enhanced scale ratings more accurate and consistent.”
The new scale will be known as the Enhanced Fujita Scale and will go into effect in February.And March
Anthony Lupo, associate professor of atmospheric science at MU, said the change will not affect the public, but rather will improve the accuracy and consistency of tornado intensities.
“It is a transparent change as far as the public is concerned,” Lupo said. “But they are going to get a much better picture in the end of how severe a tornado may have hit.”
He said the change will make a bigger difference in Missouri and the Midwest than elsewhere because of its proximity to tornado alley.
The new scale, developed by a forum of meteorologists and wind engineers nationwide in cooperation with Texas Tech University’s Wind Science and Engineering Research Center, will continue to rate tornado categories from F0, the weakest, to F5, the strongest. However, the wind speeds are lowered in every category except F0 to be more accurate by taking into account damage indicators — that is, the type of structures damaged — and the degree of damage to those indicators.
For example, the enhanced scale will differentiate between hardwood and softwood trees as well as buildings such as schools, churches or homes. In the assessment of those structures, eight degrees of damage will be used ranging from visible damage to complete destruction. Field tests and training of the process are under way nationwide.
The National Weather Service is the only agency with the authority to provide an official Fujita scale rating. The rating represents the highest estimated wind speed that occurred during the life cycle of the tornado.
This is true.  It is actually a quite good new system, which takes into account the different degrees of damage for different structures, leading to a better maximum wind speed estimate.  Also, the new scale is based on 3-second wind gust speed.  There is more at Fujita scale.  Runningonbrains 12:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tornado force scale adjusted

message: Just out of curiosity, does anyone still think I spend time fiddling with trend projections in order to come out with particularly freightening results?
I swear, I've never done that.  Every time I've ever run the best models available to me on ordinary personal computers, people have accused me of cooking the fit somehow to come up with a worst-case scenario.  It happened in 2000, when I did this carbon dioxide trend extrapolation (R2=0.98, logistic sigmoid consistent with resource consumption by growing population, predicting leveling off around 813 ppm about year 2800) and of course it happened 2005-6 here on Wikipedia.
Nobody ever accuses me of trying to come up with a best-case scenario.  Maybe in 2010 someone will accuse me of that. --James S. 06:45, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone still think I'm cooking numbers? 

message: Can't find it at the moment, but this post by RP Jr is worth reading re the ABI report William M. Connolley 21:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you mention that here?  I can't find any ABI or discussion of insur* on the 24 April 06 version or earlier versions in the same month. James S. 17:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ABI 

message: The lead section to this article seems very sloppy and may not be NPOV.  Would someone care to weigh in, or possibly fix it?  Climatology is not my area of expertise. Runningonbrains 12:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead paragraph 

message: looking at the listing of extreme weather events that has grown in this entry - which now makes up the majority of the entry - it strikes me as exceedingly misleading. aside from a handful of extreme weather events i (and others) took the time to research a year ago and add information for, the the listings for 2005 and 2006 overwhelm the page in the minutia they record. this is a function - i believe - of the ease of recording events as they happen contemporaneously, not of the actual frequency of extreme weather events. for that matter, there's no real evidence to suggest that the majority of these events are in any way associated with extreme weather - they are simply weather events that caused loss of life in one degree or another. by that measure, the flooding of the lower mississippi in 1927, which cost 300,000 lives, was clearly the greatest "extreme weather" event of last century...frankly i think the list should be tossed, as i see no scientific rigor being applied in the determination that X event actually constitutes "extreme weather", according to the definition that opens this entry. Anastrophe 17:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you to an extent. I was simply adding all of these events here because there's nothing in the way of anything that documents weather events (and I'm pulling most of these from the NOAA Extreme Weather site). If we can come up with what should be included here, then I'd be willing to trim down this list and help with adding what should be included. bob rulz 19:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So is this becoming List of extreme weather events?  If so, we can keep severe weather as an article on types of severe weather, the way it is now. -Runningonbrains 16:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been thinking of several ways we could change this article, but to move all of the stuff and to write a good article about extreme weather is a monumental task that I'm not up to at the moment, and haven't been for a while. I agree that the article should be split, I just don't know the best way to do it. If someone else wants to Be Bold and do it, then that would help tremendously. I just don't have the time. bob rulz 22:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is done.  I had to do something similar to tropical cyclone rainfall climatology and split off a list.  Thegreatdr 21:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Probative Value of List?

message: Add here Climate change hots up in 2010, the year of extreme weather: Last year was the joint-warmest on record and also the wettest over land, with sea ice levels dropping and drought on the rise by John Vidal in The Guardian 27 June 2011 ?  99.19.44.96 (talk) 06:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add here [http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/27/climate-change-extreme-weather-2010 Climate change hots up in 2010, the year of extreme weather] ? 

message: *  U.N. Panel Finds Climate Change Behind Some Extreme Weather Events by Justin Gillis published November 18, 2011 New York Times (page A5 in print), excerpt ... 
*  U.N. Sees Links to Extreme Weather by Nicholas Bariyo and John M. Biers November, 2011 Wall Street Journal, excerpt ... 
99.56.120.136 (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: IPCC = Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.  99.181.141.143 (talk) 04:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[NYT]] and [[WSJ]] resources, regarding [[Effects of global warming]] 

message: looks like a copyvio from the IPCC report William M. Connolley (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costs: copyvio? 

message: Weather Extremes Causing More Variable USDA Data, Analysts Say by Jeff Wilson Bloomberg.com Dec 6, 2011 12:00 AM ET, excerpt ... 
99.190.82.160 (talk) 07:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[USDA]] resource 

message: *A storm causes damage, flooding and power cuts across the north of the British Isles, particularly Scotland with winds up to 165 mph (264 km/h). (BBC)
from Portal:Current events/2011 December 8  
99.181.136.158 (talk) 01:58, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  potential resource 

message: What defines historical distribution?  
See Season creep, Creeping normalcy, etc ... How to Boil a Frog
99.190.85.111 (talk) 05:52, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What defines ''historical distribution''? 

message: *Tens of thousands of people are left without power after one of the biggest storms for 30 years hits Scandinavia. (Al Jazeera)
99.181.159.212 (talk) 00:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  from [[Portal:Current events/2011 December 26]] 

message: *The warmest temperature ever recorded at the South Pole is set with a top of -12.3°C set at the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station. (Weather Underground)
from Portal:Current events/2011 December 25
99.19.45.81 (talk) 11:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resource 

message: Which of these two graphs is best? 71.212.226.91 (talk) 06:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For what?  Thunderstorms and losses?  99.181.146.141 (talk) 22:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Those are from the same source, which has been called into question (unjustly, I think) below. http://makewealthhistory.org/2011/05/30/the-number-of-natural-disasters-is-on-the-rise/ has an Oxfam graph from the EM-DAT dataset which agrees with Munich Re. But what we really need is some measure of the magnitude of the events, not just their raw counts. Npmay (talk) 21:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graphs 

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thread_title:  Translation of other extreme weather wikipedia content 

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message: English is not my first language, so maybe it's just me, but the phrase "The upper limit for heat stress humans can adapt to is called into question" seems wrong. Isn't it rather the ability to adapt to such a temperature rise, or the belief there is no limit, that is questioned? Also, "called into question with a 7 °C temperature rise" feels awkward.
FYI, the source states: Despite the uncertainty in future climate-change impacts, it is often assumed that humans would be able to adapt to any possible warming. Here we argue that heat stress imposes a robust upper limit to such adaptation. Prevalence  11:28, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  upper limit for heat stress, phrasing 

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message: https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-heavy-precipitation 174.16.101.143 (talk) 16:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  US precipitation 

message: Extreme cold and extreme warmth are suitable topics separately. -Inowen (nlfte) 20:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split into cold and warm 

message: el clima extrmo es basicamente un clima el cual es peligroso de tal manera qe haGA UNA DE las caracteristicas e que se divide en diferentes los cuales algunos no sontan extremo pero algunos son mucho mas extremos al modo que llegan a dejar muertos y ya puyes eto es mi resume wiki revisalo ' ==  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.53.12.177 (talk) 22:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please see WP:ENGLISHPLEASE NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:51, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ekteme wheather in spanish 

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