Talk:Womanism

message: I think this page is very poorly done, it seems more like a stub than an actual article and portrays a poor understanding of Womanism as opposed to Feminism.
The Wiki piece on Womanism really should be treated as a stub because it gives a rather poor understanding of womanism as it relates to feminism, particularly in the context of Walker's text. For Walker, womanism includes feminism. She says that womanism is to feminism as purple is to lavender. Purple is the larger category to which lavender belongs.
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That's interesting that you're arguing that Walker deems womanism to be the umbrella term that feminism resides under. I was always under the impression that although Walker first coined the term, the other contributors to the ideology identified womanism as a subset of feminism that aimed to focuses on causes pertaining to African American women that feminism tends to neglect.  could you please state your reasoning as to why you believe that it is feminism that falls under womanism ?
Dmbonsu (talk) 00:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insufficient 

message: The reason that many African-Americans inclined towards Feminism (even male "Feminists" such as myself) don't fully identify with it is because "mainstream" Feminism is mostly Eurocentric. Black women are the daughters of women who had to work everyday, who were forced to be the mothers through Paramour Rights and who were the objects of de-humanization. White women are the daughters of of the white women who profited from the labor of African-American mades and cleaners who did hard work for White families that were wealthy enough to hire cleaning services. Many White women fought to get out of the kitchen while many African-American women fought for equal pay with men and equal protection and equal rights.
The article does on Womanism does a poor job explaining why many African-Americans inclined towards Feminism reject fully identifying with it. I should be tagged as incomplete.  --User:Full Shunyata 20:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  African-American 

message: This page needs to include information on Africana Womanism, as developed by Chikwenye Ongunyemi 198.54.202.102 (talk) 15:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Africana Womanism 

message: Hi - I removed the flag which questioned the notability of this article, but left the one regarding the tone of the article. I don't have a text citation off-hand, but could provide multiple syllabi from different professors who teach Womanism in courses on identity, and at least in organizing circles and academia I wouldn't know of anyone, regardless of their opinion regarding the movement, who doubts the theoretical significance of Womanism. Will grab some texts and note them later. I agree with the others on this page that the tone and style need to be udpated, though, and that much material is missing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThurdSpace (talk • contribs) 16:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: The only real problems I can see with the article at the moment are purely mechanical, e.g., extra spaces after dashes and quotation marks (i.e., African- American instead of African-American), many broken/red links, minor typos, repetition of the same source (the same source is listen multiple times instead of being listed once with a, b ,c, ect. for each use), ect. There are also some sections that are a little unclear and the ideas don't seem flow very well to me that could benefit from editing. The organization of some of the sections are a little confusing, and you may want to reconsider the breakdown on the ideologies, culture, and ethnic sections; it may make more sense for the ethnic section to be a subsection of the culture section.
In terms of comprehensiveness, this article is very comprehensive and gives a full overview on both the history and ideology of womanism.  The only major thing I can spot that this article lacks is perhaps a more concise definition of womanism and its tenets near the beginning to aid readers who are unfamiliar with the movement. Something else that could possibly be addressed is womanism's stance on trans* individuals, if there is one, since I know that transphobia and transmisogyny are huge problems in radical (white) feminism.  Other than that, I feel this article is very comprehensive and well done. Baileybrash (talk) 19:24, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review

message: Your article is remarkable; you have done some terrific work on it, and it is clear that you are very passionate about womanism. Consider neutrality as you work to refine your article. I know that this is a great challenge, being that womanism is a specific viewpoint with a perceived single mission, but consider other potential purposes for womanism, or what societal benefits could be the result of womanism. For instance, how does womanism relate/act as an advocate for women’s rights and gender equality? How does womanism relate/act as an advocate for equality amongst differing races? How has womanism empowered women, bringing them out of poverty and despair? Explore topics such as poverty, education, and health in consideration of the impacts of womanism on American and global culture. 
Moreover, please be sure to fix the mechanical components of your article in order to improve readability. Nice work! 
CarolineABrigham (talk) 20:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review 2

message: Hard to see how this is a good thing. It seems to suggest that the term is rather meaningless. 86.139.16.180 (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The ambiguity within the theory allows for its continuous expansion of its basic tenets." 

message: It may be more beneficial to refer to first, second, and third wave feminism when discussing the origins of Womanism. This would be helpful to understand much of the early criticisms of Womanism in the context of second wave feminism which had not even accepted a notion of intersectionality. The problem that could herein lie is that we are framing Womanism by discussing it in contrast with Feminism which may seem problematic. However, I believe this not to be a framing issue but more a practical issue so that the reader may understand the ineptitude of first and second wave feminism for Black women. It may also be helpful to discuss Sojourner Truth as an early representation of intersectionality within a womanist thought. Alexbolden15 (talk) 22:01, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins Section  

message: I am male running with 64 years. I am Philosophy Student.
As per my experience Womanism is consisting 2 types. one is real which is visible ( External Womanism ) and another one universal through Athma or soul ( Internal Womanism ). Mother is real, sisters are real, after the marriage wife is real. This is human culture in real life. No need to explain the real woman.
where as love with woman is not real, it is imaginary, mimmasa, internal struggle, unknown brama.
Very particularly when the boy enters in 16 years, he will start experience of attraction with girls, he always thinks how to make friendship by disturbing his valuable studies. If the other side girl starts talking, laughing or exposing with boy's wish, he is going on thinking, diverting of mind, became made behind the girl. At last he loses the classes and academic years. After one fine morning when he woke up from the trans, he lost each and every thing. This is best example for Internal womanism or the maya of woman or evil spirit of womanism 
Womanism is the psychological character. Mostly males take side of woman in family relations irrespective of Logic and Ethical values of related woman activities. They can not condemned the wrong doings of woman, is also called womanism, other wise he will be excommunicated from the family relations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nkpima (talk • contribs) 18:10, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Womanism- one of Karma theory of Philosophy-Reg 

message: Hello Everyone! I am a student that will be hopefully editing this page as part of a class. I want to first share with you all what I think could make this already good page a little bit better. My intent is merely to add a little bit more to the theoretical sections so as to bring forth some more of the nuances of womanism. 
The first thing that I want to do is make clear in the introductory paragraph that there are at least 3 distinct versions of womanist theory that divide amongst each other based on conceptions dealing with ties to feminism, men, and Blackness. Much of the groundwork for what is now called the origins section could be laid here in the introduction so that the reader can have a better sense of the scope of Womanism before diving more substantively into the ideologies.  
From this introduction it seems most helpful to leave the theory section at the beginning, however reformat it to show how womanist theory differs from both Feminism and Black Feminism. As it currently stands the theory section is a broad overview of Womanist ideals that could be transported into the introductory paragraph. The theory section should highlight Womanist theory in both opposition and a forwarding of Third Wave Feminist and Black Feminist thought. However, there would also need to be a section on the independent creation of Womanist theory as there are ideologies of Womanism that do not see themselves as deriving or comparing to feminism in anyway.
Lastly, I would like to combine the origins and ideologies sections as I believe there is too much overlap in them as they currently stand. Instead in the ideologies section I would describe the origins of each ideology before moving into their progeny. The outline would then look as follows:
•	1 Theory
•	1.1 Feminism
•	1.2 Black Feminism
•	1.3 Independent Womanist Theory
•	2 Origins Ideologies
o	2.1 Alice Walker’s Womanism
o	2.2  Clenora Hudson-Weems’ Africana Womanism
o	2.3Chikwenye Okonjo Ogunyemi’s Womanism
•	3 Ideologies
o	3.1 Black feminism
o	3.2 Africana womanism
•	4 Womanist identity
o	4.1 Literature and activism
o	4.2  Spirituality
o	4.3 Ethics
•	5 Critiques
•	6 See also
•	7 References
•	8 Further reading
•	9 External links
Alexbolden15 (talk) 17:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Student Editing 

message: I reviewed this article as part of a class assignment, I hope that you might find these comments useful. My observations are the following:
The article does a good job in summarizing the concept of Womanism in the lead section. As someone who was not at all familiar with the term, it was easy to get an initial understanding of the movement. 
One suggestion for this section is explaining how is it that feminism does not “allow women of color or marginalized groups to affirm their color and culture”.  
The Theory section of the article would benefit from adding citations to support the statement “In discussing womanist theory one must acknowledge the racism that was perceived by black women in the feminist movement.” 
Alejandralr (talk) 23:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review

message: I don't have much experience editing articles yet and I have to go out soon so I don't have time to learn this fix right now. I'm posting this here so either someone else can do it or I can come back to it later. 
In the references of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womanism
Reference 20 says: Collins, Patricia (1996). "What's In a Time: Womanism, Black Feminism, and Beyond". The Black Scholar. 26: 9–17. doi:10.1080/00064246.1996.11430765.
This is incorrect. It should say "Name" instead of "Time". There is no article by the name in the citation.
Starwhale97 (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed this. Thanks for noticing the mistake. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in citations