Talk:Albanians in North Macedonia

message: Hey, LH. Hope you're well. I'm certain that this revert is wrong. The external site is a wikimirror as you can see how it links back to the wikipedia article Uprising of Dervish Cara. I think that both the article and the section need a lot of work.--Maleschreiber (talk) 13:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh so it was this external site which copied the text from Uprising of Dervish Cara. Either way, the text here shouldn't just be a copy-paste of that article. Otherwise, we should just put "". --Local hero talk 16:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Again, this article cannot contain a full copy-paste of another article. Summarize it please, otherwise it should be reverted. --Local hero talk 00:42, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  After January 3, I will do a cleanup and reword it along with other edits I consider significant to bring the article to an acceptable level.--Maleschreiber (talk) 02:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dervish Cara Uprising 

message: A lot of content has been added recently, backed by Albanian-language Albanological sources with no quotes/links provided. The new Balkan Wars section seems quite WP:EXTRAORDINARY. I have never seen mentions of pre-Balkan Wars Albanian populations in Kriva Palanka, Kratovo, or Štip by contemporary demographic sources, so I was surprised to read "Chetnik paramilitary groups supported by the Serbian Army attacked and expelled the Albanian populations of Palanka, Kratovo, Štip...". Not saying such communities definitely didn't exist, it just seems to contradict contemporary demographic accounts of these places, so I think we need better backing of this population that was then attacked and expelled by the Serbian army. --Local hero talk 18:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing wrong with Albanian language Albanological studies as far as I know. Chetniks massacring Albanians is quite ordinary actually, we have an entire article on that. Albanian communities have, indeed existed as far east as Kratovo and Shtip. These communities existed for quite a long time actually, Shtip had Albanians in the 1961 census (majority in the now abandoned villages of Creška, Jamularci, Skandalci and Toplik) and about Kratovo we have a report from Leo Freundlich's Albania's Golgotha pg.33: "Near Kratovo , General Stefanovic , having ordered hundreds of Albanians to form two rows , shot them down with machine guns. Thereupon , the general explained : “ These scoundrels must be exterminated so that Austria may no longer be able to find her darlings '". I haven't yet added them to the article but there also former medieval (likely-pre Ottoman) villages named Arbanasi (Shtip) and Arvana (Kratovo). Kratovo in particular also had Catholic Albanians present. On Palanka I agree, I'm not sure if the author meant Bela Palanka in Serbia or Krivo Palanka in Macedonia. The former was inhabited by Albanians, meanwhile the latter as far as I have looked, was not.Alltan (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not inherently, but when they are making extraordinary claims it begs further scrutiny. I'm not questioning that Chetniks massacred Albanians, just in these particular areas because I was unaware of any communities in Kriva Palanka/Kratovo/Štip. I see what you're saying in the 1961 census, about 91 Albanians in those four Štip villages; thanks for providing the Freundlich report and for looking further into Kriva Palanka. --Local hero talk 15:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  EXTRAORDINARY additions