Talk:Shahid

message: --CopyToWiktionaryBot 23:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007-09-9 Automated pywikipediabot message 

message: There appears to have been a section for the citations, but was removed?  Further, 72.227.189.182 deleted a paragraph in re: the 1983 USMC barracks bombing in Lebanon.  Perhaps there should be a list of examples including 1983 Beirut barracks bombing in the Modern Era section?Vedek Wren (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations for History, Women, Modern Era sections

message: I deleted that section, because I've never heard such things as public opinion. i'm a Muslim living in a Muslim country. 78.154.36.48 12:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other beliefs

message: "The suicide bombers are called "Shahids" and after their death attain the rank of a Martyr". 
This article portrayed (?) that sentence in giving out the false idea that any suicide bomber is a shaheed. True, some people do regard them as shaheed, but in the context of Islam, they are not shaheed. That is clearly a biased statement, completely opinionated and false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.183.66 (talk • contribs) 22:08, 9 October 2007 
It is something debated by islamic scholars.
--Doctorkc (talk) 07:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased, opinionated and false 

message: I disagree with the phrase, "it is also used by Arab Christians to describe persons killed on duty or during wars. In this case, the term equals the term martyr."  
The Christian concept of martyr does not include all heros.  There is a difference.  For example, Joan of Arc would not have been considered a martyr had she fallen in battle. She would have simply been a hero. It is only the fact that she was convicted of heresy and burned at the stake that makes her a martyr.  
In other words, the Christian concept of a martyr is one who dies for their beliefs.  It does not include those that are killed on duty or during wars.
72.177.66.122 17:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some copyediting.  It seems that the Christian concept of the martyr, while of course not the same as the shahid, is still parallel.  This however is not the article to get down into the weeds with the differences between them.  Also, I restored the Islam template and the "See also" section.  //  Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 03:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martyr 

message: Hi! 
I found something wrong with the 'misconception' section. I came across a Sahih Bukhari Hadith which states the oppisite of the section.
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 434:
Narrated Jabir:
When the time of the Battle of Uhud approached, my father called me at night and said:
"I think that I will be the first amongst the companions of the Prophet to be martyred.  I do not leave anyone after me dearer to me than you,
except Allah's Apostle's soul and I owe some debt and you should repay it and treat your sisters favorably (nicely and politely)."
So in the morning he was the first to be martyred and was buried along with another (martyr).  I did not like to leave him with the other (martyr), so I took him out of the grave after six months of his burial and he was in the same condition as he was on the day of burial, except a slight change near his ear. 
Could this please be added, so it is a factual section? Thank you. 
(86.11.104.56 20:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misconception 

message: Isn't it commonly believed (or, at least it is a misconception that it is commonly believed) that martyrs get houri? (although the houri article says that all Muslims get houri, not just martyrs) Should this be mentioned in the article? --
131.215.166.209 23:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  please give references from quran... thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.95.90.55 (talk) 12:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Houri 

message: is shahid a calque from the Greek, or is the identity of the literal meanings coincidental? 71.248.115.187 (talk) 18:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  etymology 

message: This article is horribly incomplete and one-sided. It's perspective is very much from the viewpoint of Iranian (Shi'a) Islam and does not represent the whole Islamic world's views on martyrdom. The "Islam" section of the article, Martyr, gives much better information even though it is half the size of this article. Lastly, Wikipedia is meant to support articles from a scholarly, academic perspective. Simply quoting scripture or a cleric or the Ayatollah isn't sufficient for this article. It needs scholarly citations from both religious scholars (who may be associated with the mosque) and university scholars who are presumably not employed by the mosque (i.e. aren't religious figureheads). Otherwise, the article is in violation of POV rules. I'm tempted to place a POV tag on the top of the page, but there are already enough tags there. So to those who are invested in this article: just fix it. ask123 (talk) 01:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article incomplete and from a mostly Iranian perspective 

message: Most of the content in this article seems to be about the single Arabic term shahid, so I have merged it here for now. Martyrdom in Islam, if recreated, needs to focus on more than a single term -- and needs to concisely explain the varied concepts of Shahid, Shahidka, Shaheeda, Shahada, Istishhad, Jihad, and relevant recitation of Takbir.   — C M B J   17:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Martyrdom in Islam

message: I've tagged the 'Modern era' section for multiple issues. I have no expertise concerning the content of the article, but this section clearly needs attention for stylistic reasons at least. AFAICT it was User:Jimherro who contributed most of the content in this edit, but this user has not made any other contributions and doesn't have an active talk page. Neurotip (talk) 22:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the note. I found that the entire History section was a copy of http://www.museumstuff.com/learn/topics/shaheed::sub::History which is a copyright web page. I have therefore deleted it. Anybody is welcome to rewrite the material here, but Wikipedia cannot include a WP:Copyright violation. - Fayenatic (talk) 23:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha! Well spotted. I'll try and remember to check for copyvios next time. Neurotip (talk) 12:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern era section needs attention 

message: I'n not sure if there's any active editors here. Have anyone noticed that "shahid" and "shaaheed" are two diferent words (suing English and Arabic alphabets). The article needs alot of work, and it even contains the spelling of only one of the two in Arabic. I'll be working on this article soon, so I hope I'll get a comment before then :).    ~ AdvertAdam  talk 08:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I concur. The information in this article is fundamentally incorrect. Shaahid is witness; while Shaheed (pronounced "sh-heed")is martyr. Both are distinct and different words. I have no idea how to work on wikipedia, so I request somebody to correct this or put a fitting notice on the page. I cannot provide a citation as I cannot read the arabic script, since I was thought Urdu and basic Arabic in devanagari script. Thank you for your help in advance Regards. --118.95.90.55 (talk) 11:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't need a help me on a talk page (they are for user talk pages), any editors left may have this page on their watchlist and might pop in. If not, I would suggest look at the page history, you can examine every version (click the date of a version) from it's conception to now (e.g here's the first real page - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shahid&oldid=45571228), you can also see which editors have edited and by viewing their edits decide if they might be useful to approach - in the history page, you can click the "contribs" link against an editor's name to see when they were last editing - no point placing a message on their talk page if they are long gone.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Arabic terms 

message: Well, it looks like a move to "Shaheed" was attempted but did not reach consensus; however, within the article "shahid" and "shaheed" are used interchangeably. Personally I prefer "shaheed," as it's less ambiguous, but as long as the article remains here I'm going to change the spelling to "shahid" every time for the sake of consistency. etothei (talk) 16:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration, still 

message: Shahid is not the same as shaheed. 
Shahid/Shahed, urdu, hindi, arabic and farsi, witness. 
Shaheed, arabic martyre. 144.46.112.8 (talk) 21:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shahid vs. Shaheed