Wikipedia talk:Article Rescue Squadron

message: Hello! The Daily Dozen Doughnut Company article was recently deleted per AfD (2nd nomination). The close was endorsed after this deletion review discussion. However, I've requested to have the article content restored to Draft:Daily Dozen Doughnut Company.
I think I'll let the dust settle a bit before revisiting this draft article, but, I'm curious if this article would be of interest to members of this project. I would very much welcome assistance with identifying more in-depth coverage and/or improving the entry further. I have no idea what main space restoration might look like, if ever possible, but I'll put this on the project's radar nonetheless, just in case.
Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Reminds me of a certain Pittsburgh toy store (long story). With that many sources, and well developed prose and length, if this still didn't convince people, I don't know what else would. These types of small local business articles have always been in the dog house on Wikipedia, particularly among editors from outside the USA who don't know the difference between Seattle and Cincinnati.  Almost need an over-the-top source like a profile in the NYT calling it the best doughnut shop in the country, to get past the biases against local small business notability. Sorry this one got deleted, a real waste IMO, this is precisely the type of topic Wikipedia is good at.  -- GreenC 03:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I must have missed where the NYT called it the best donut shop in the country. Please link (and quote if it's a closed source). EEng 17:06, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  .. the point about a hypothetical NYT piece. To which you reply "No kidding, really?" or something. FWIW I never participated in any of these AfDs or DRVs nor ever heard of this fine doughnut dining establishment until yesterday so I have no particular jelly in this that would require warning shots across the bow. I did just take a look at the source analysis table you made. Those sorts of tables are usually flawed because RS is often based on subjective opinions because many sources have pros and cons and you have to weigh them both not just the cons. It's difficult to do when the table contains a binary outcome, the outcome should be left to the reader based on the pro and con evidence. Otherwise it's leading the reader to a preferred outcome.  -- GreenC 17:35, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I'm embarrassed to say I somehow misread your post as "Especially with a profile in the NYT ..." Put it down to holiday drinking. As for the table, I didn't set it up -- someone else did, though I did join in annotating it once it became the center of attention. My habit is simply to enumerate and quote the sources, and give my personal opinion, but leaving (as you say) other editors to decide for themselves. The table does have the unfortunate effect of making it seem like "a decision has been made". EEng 19:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

text: I agree! The AfD discussion was a complete mess and spawned dozens of side discussions, some of which were related to editor behavior concerns. I'm confident the article will exist in the main space at some point in the future, but I don't know the best way to go about restoration (nor am I in a rush). I welcome draft improvements and talk page discussions. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:00, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the  that the deletion was a shame. A weakness with Wikipedia is that a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS can IAR. The relevant guide was WP:NTEMP but it was ignored. Nothing in our guides requires nationwide or international RS. Also an AfD had just concluded, and another was immediately placed - we have seen as many as 9 back to back AfDs in the past - we probably need to have a policy against the repeated renomination - we have an essay about it WP:RENOM and our guideline WP:DELAFD are ignored.  sorry that your articles appear to be targeted. I appreciate your articles. Lightburst (talk) 19:51, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's a lot of bullshit. NTEMP simply clarifies that it's a mistake to think that notability requires that coverage be ongoing; nobody in the discussion raised such a mistaken idea. The problem was, and remains, that despite repeated pleas no one can point to three (or even two) substantial, independent sources, even local ones. (People arguing that coverage has to be national or something were indeed misguided.) As far as RENOM is concerned, I agree there should have been no renomination -- instead, the close of the first AfD, which was done by someone who didn't know what he was doing, should simply have been overturned. EEng 20:38, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Scope_Creep made just such an argument in an AfD - I looked at several of his noms. He said he nominated restaurant articles because of the absence of "post-existance references that show that people are talking about them after they are gone." That seems to be the exact opposite of our guideline for NTEMP. Also about the first AfD, I do not think the first AfD close could not have been closed any other way. Lightburst (talk) 22:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To my lasting shame, this is the second time I've blundered in this thread, and I'm going to blame it on my laptop being down so I'm forced to work from my stupid phone with its teensy screen. You're right, scope_creep did make that argument, and as you'll see here I promptly set him straight . However, other than that the entire argument was about sigcov, and the close addressed that only, so no harm no foul. Any time you want to tell me what are the two or three best notability-qualifying sources, I'm all ears. EEng 06:18, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks . I am glad that you came here and discussed. Your comments to Scope_Creep were right on! Bravo! Lightburst (talk) 00:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's only because of New Year's. Starting next week, it's no more Mr. Nice Guy! EEng 06:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily Dozen Doughnut Company 

message: I am at a loss to understand how editors think a forthcoming album discussed in numerous sources and listed on "most anticipated album" lists is non-notable, but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Let Her Burn is underway. If there is something missing in the content or construction of this article, please let me know. Cheers! BD2412 T 02:15, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Let Her Burn]]'' 

message: There are a good number of fighting game characters being sent to AfD and merged, for not having sources. I figured that this may be important to this WikiProject, since you may be able to find sources and save some of the articles. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, , what led you, a user who's only been editing since January, to this relatively inactive Wikiproject for that sort of assistance? Or are you someone who's been editing far longer than your current account would indicate? Jclemens (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not here for assistance, I was just making sure to notify anyone who may care. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Also, I assure you I am not a sockpuppet, if that is what you mean. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:05, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice 

message: Today, I added to Tips section:
* Check 1,000 articles at Shortest biographies of living people, updated daily. All are in need of improvement.
If this information should be relocated elsewhere within the Rescue WP project page, please feel free to move. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 14:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition to "Tips to help rescue articles" section 

message: This article has great references and is one of the biggest music licensing and stock footage companies in the world. In addition, they are an Israeli startup. I think the article is being attacked in AFD and would like some help.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.153.142.52 (talk) 05:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Artlist]]

message: Deceased Wikipedian and member of ARS: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-07-17/Obituary. -- GreenC 11:10, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: He was active during the earliest days of ARS. His first contribution was in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cope Truss and Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron_–_Rescue_list/Archive_1#Cope_Truss. -- GreenC 11:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know him, but RIP.★Trekker (talk) 18:54, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "You got to worry about deletionists," he warned. -- GreenC 00:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Dthomsen8]]