Talk:Edinburgh Academy

message: I came to this article from the article on Brighton College, where it is said that Edinburgh Academy is the only other school with a Greek motto.... no mention of the motto here tho??? lmno 10:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The motto ΑΙΕΝ ΑΡΙΣΤΕΥΕΙΝ, "Ever to Excel" appears above the organ in the main hall. This is taken from Homer's Iliad and is the motto of many other educational institutions, including the University of St Andrews. There is also a Greek inscription on the capital of the main building, Η ΠΑΙΔΕΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΣ ΣΟΦΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΣ ΑΡΕΤΗΣ ΜΗΤΗΡ, which means "Education is the mother of learning and virtue". --Webskate101 06:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto 

message: I am intending to make some radical changes to this article. It needs just a little more history and a bit less entertainment value — this is an encyclopaedia, after all. I have started by removing the link between the Gaelic word clachan and the Lowland Scots word clacken (or clackan). There is absolutely no etymological relationship between the two words. Hopefully that change will have notified anyone who is 'watching' this article — I encourage you to contribute to this discussion. (Tithon 21:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree 110%.  This article was a [lot worse] before (obviously written by someone at the school), I toned it down considerably, and fully agree more could/should be done.  Gsd2000 23:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening comment

message: I have now carried out the 'radical changes' referred to above. I have left in the references to hand-cricket but tried to make it more general. An article by me on Hailes and the Clacken is in preparation and will follow!
Please contribute to this discussion if you make any other major changes.(Tithon 16:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work. Gsd2000 17:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing reference to 'hand cricket'. 'Fives' has been played at the school for decades, 'hand cricket' was invented only two years ago and played by a very small number of people. It doesn't belong in a 'traditions' section. Anonymouspirate 13:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing reference to 'alcove'. for same reason.Anonymouspirate 13:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major revision

message: It might be worth mentioning the rivalry with Merchiston but I'm not sure where this would go and how relevant it is. Hijanti 17:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite how relevant it is in an encyclopaedia. Nevertheless, Edinburgh does have a unique private school tradition, which naturally leads to friendly rivalries. It might be worthwhile having an article on this as an entry in itself - Edinburgh's Private Schools or something - but it would need to contain valid encyclopaedic information and not be merely an expression of the rivalry itself. (Tithon 23:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. It is indeed the oldest fixture in the world, and should be documented as such. Anybody got a good reference for it? Rlfb 11:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is the Scotsman a sufficient source?  Alan Massie's article, para 2: http://sport.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=736&id=90962003 .  On the other hand, a pdf on the SRU site says "The first-ever inter-school match recorded in Scotland was The High School versus Merchiston, played on 13 February 1858." ( http://www.scottishrugby.org/shadomx/apps/fms/fmsdownload.cfm?file_uuid=A25BB25D-E612-A4BD-CA0C-E106CB0ED01F&siteName=sru at the foot of page 1)  So it would be necessary to stress the continuing nature of the fixture, if I understand the claim correctly? Endie 14:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merchiston 

message: The number of Notable Academicals seems to be growing like Topsy!  It is my suggestion that names are only included when they are already to be found in the articles within Wikipedia.  Then, of course, a link can be included.  It would be worth at this stage editing the article on the Academical concerned, adding the school (with link) to the text and including Edinburgh Academical in the category sections. (Tithon 10:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Academicals

message: I note a number of reversions have been made regarding the naming of the division Houses, it having been changed to Dundas. Does anyone know the history behind why the division has sometimes been called Dundas? We certainly did refer to it as "Dundas" sometimes when I was a pupil (1994-2000), though it is generally called "Houses". I'm guessing there is some historical reason for it. Rather than these ongoing revert wars, couldn't we cover both bases to satisfy everyone, if indeed there is a historical reason for it? Rlfb 15:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience (as a pupil from 96-09), it's called Dundas in the Junior School and Houses in the Senior School. Quite why this is, I'm not sure. 92.8.243.198 (talk) 14:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dundas/Houses

message: A good well presented start article. Some interesting alumni. With a little more content and lots of references incorporated into the text this could be a B. The school possibly merits a higher importance rating but it is difficult to judge based on the content of the existing article. Dahliarose 09:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assess

message: Currently there is both a "references" and a "sources" section, which seems a little silly. The easy way to fix it would be just to delete one of the two titles, but then perhaps it would be a good idea to turn the books currently in "sources" into in-line citations. Has anyone got copies of the 3 books mentioned to reference particular sections? Rlfb 09:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources/References

message: We commonly include material such as this, so I've raised the issue at WP:NPOVN#Edinburgh Academy. Dougweller (talk) 18:28, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A level results 

message: I have no personal knowledge of this school, but I think that the reference to "a history of allegations made against it of bullying and abuse" in the lede is both damaging and insufficiently evidenced. The references cited appear to amount to (i) an undated Daily Mail article referring to a tragic event when a pupil of another school took her life, possibly as a result of bullying by Edinbugh Academy pupils; (ii) a Scotsman article from 2014, suggesting that there may have been bullying on a CCF expedition; (iii) a Scotsman article from 2015 referring to allegations of sexual abuse in the 1960s and 1970s. So far as the alleged incidents go, there is a huge gap in time between the 1960s/1970s allegations and the later allegations. And the later allegations appear to relate to two isolated events. Pending further discussion, I intend to delete the reference to a "history of allegations".45ossington (talk) 09:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: "History of allegations"

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The link, under 'Rectors', to Herbert Mills points to a Herbert Vincent Mills, born 1856. This CANNOT be the Herbert Mills, Rector 1962-77. In his previous post at Sedbergh School he was always known as H. H. Mills.
He is worth an article of his own, if there is any truth in what was said about him at Sedbergh (by the boys). He wore light blue rugby socks, and was said to be a Cambridge Blue. He was also said to have an Military Cross from Arnhem. He had a doctorate from the Sorbonne - it was said that while awaiting appointment to the Edinburgh Academy, he was offered a chair at the Sorbonne, in medieval French.
I haven't the time or resource to check these stories nor, therefore, to write the article. Good luck to anyone who does!
::P.S.  At Sedbergh, he was known to boys as 'Bertie', presumably from Bertram Mills's circus. My friend at EA knew him (not to his face) as 'Dark satanic', from Blake's Jerusalem.
::::I now (4/1/20) find an article on 'Cloudpedia' ([] on Herbert Horatio Mills) that says he had a double first from Cambridge in Modern and Medieval Languages; a PhD at Cambridge (St Catherines) - the Sorbonne is not mentioned; two rugby blues at Cambridge - he later played for Gloucestershire, at wing forward; service in the Parachute Regiment at Pegasus Bridge and at the crossing of the Rhine - Arnhem is not mentioned; the MC was awarded for service in Normandy, and action in the advance on Putot-en-Auge, on the 19th August (1944) ([]).
MacAuslan (talk) 14:57, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herbert Mills