Talk:Parliament of Finland

message: That picture of the parliament house is absolutely priceless. That guy in the foreground should be elected as an MP. — JIP | Talk 13:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: It should be added that the Constitution can also be changed if 5/6 vote it to be "urgent" and then 2/3 approve it. 80.186.100.180 11:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing the Constitution 

message: What about mention of this term here? -Yupik 09:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valtiopäivät 

message: It says 51 members for National Coalition (which includes Sauli Niinistö, the speaker), but then has the Speaker listed separately as well; Sauli Niinistö is thus effectively counted twice. The Åland representive is not listed at all. Not sure what is the best fix for those, though, so I'm saying it here.. 109.204.144.132 (talk) 16:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. You must be right. I'll fix it. JoolzWiki (talk) 20:32, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistakes in the list on the right 

message: The picture on the right should be modified. It has green color for the National coalition party and blue color for the Centre Party - that should be vice versa. Also, the seating order of the parties is all messed up. The real seating order can be seen here. From left to right: Left Alliance, Social Democrats, Greens, True Finns, Centre Party, Christian Democrats, National Coalition Party, Swedish People's Party. Some of these Wikipedia-charts put government on one side and the opposition on the other, but even in that case the picture should be modified. --89.27.103.116 (talk) 12:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Now it's much better, but still one thing: the speaker is now a Social Democrat, not anymore an NCP-member. --89.27.103.116 (talk) 15:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seating order 

message: The name of this article should indeed not be the English descriptor but the actual name of the institution the article covers. See corresponding articles about the parliament of Denmark Folketing and the parliament of Sweden Riksdag. Let’s make this one about the parliament of Finland be entitled what it actually is, Eduskunta.
Pessimistipasta (talk) 10:35, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't appear that English-language sources regularly use the term. As such, it would fail WP:USEENGLISH. Also, given the lack of consensus from the previous discussion above, it would be better to file a new RM rather than unilaterally moving the page. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:07, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, good call. Let’s talk about this in the new section that recently opened. Pessimistipasta (talk) 22:45, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change to native 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Oppose per WP:UE. Also, Finland has two official languages, so if you really want to play the "official names" card, you would have to rename the page to the long-winded "Eduskunta/Riksdagen". The current title is also more accessible to English-speakers. Academicoffee71 (talk) 02:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There are similar cases, such as with Estonia (Riigikogu), wherein the name of the English Wikipedia page is in Estonian, even though the country has a more significant Russian-speaking minority (24% of population); the same can be applied for Finland's Swedish-speaking minority, which accounts for only 5%. Furthermore, as Swedish Finns tend to comprehend Finnish, naming the article by the actual institution's name in one language only is not a problem in that regard. Putting "Riksdag" in the title would violate WP:CRITERIA, as it may cause confusion with the already-established article Riksdag, which is similarly an article about a country's parliament named after said country's majority language. WP:CRITERIA also recommends using a title that's as concise as possible, as long as it retains its character and recognizability. This graph shows that while the use of "Finnish parliament" has at some points been more used in English-language books, "Eduskunta" is much more common in both contemporary and overall measures. Therefore, to be concise and mindful of the status quo of naming European parliaments, this should be renamed. Pessimistipasta (talk) 09:57, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: All of those parliaments should be moved to their English titles, then. Academicoffee71 (talk) 04:24, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Irrelevant. As said before, the use of the word ”Eduskunta” is far more common than ”Finnish parliament” or ”parliament of Finland” in English language sources. Pessimistipasta (talk) 20:04, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

text: Not true as per the graph provided above. Eduskunta has a wider use than other forms in English language sources. Why do you feel that this article should diverge in naming practice from the enwiki pages of the parliaments of Iceland (Althing), Norway (Storting), Denmark (Folketing), and Sweden (Riksdag)? Pessimistipasta (talk) 20:26, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: A Google News search didn't bear that out at all, I found very few English sources that used the name, but many for "parliament of Finland", "Finnish parliament", "Finland's parliament", etc. Not sure about the others, but with Riksdag, it was shown that that name is well established in English sources in this RM.--Cúchullain t/c 20:35, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

text: I know this is not perfectly consistent with using Riksdag and Althing, and it certainly isn't consistent with Finnish-language usage of parliamentti. However, Althing is used because the current parliament is considered the direct successor to the popular assembly of the 11th century; the Icelandic legislature is fairly widely known by its native name and is a different case from the rest. Riksdag is used since the word has cognates in royal+diet rather than parliament and because of the Swedish legislature's history as a feudal diet of estates. While the Finnish national legislature did have a predecessor in the Diet of Finland, as established in 1906 it is considered a clean break from the past, so the Eduskunta can be fairly considered more of a parliament than the Swedish Riksdag in the rest of the world, apart from the rest of the world not paying that much attention to the details. And none of this really matters, because there's nothing that forces English usage or our attempts to reflect mixed usage to be consistent in this way. —innotata 22:02, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Is the current solemn oath in the Sessions section misleading? Last I checked, MPs don't use English in Parliament, ever. We could either omit it by just mentioning its existence, or just keep it intact. Pessimistipasta (talk) 11:23, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solemn oath