Talk:University of Massachusetts Dartmouth

message: The Japanese midget rumor was mentioned in The Torch. It did seem like a joke, but just for safety's sake I included it. -- LGagnon 05:49, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
: Okay, I saw that article now.  The Clockwork Orange comparison is apt :)
: I can confirm that the suicide rumor was rampant in the '80s though (back then, the usual story was that he found the big concrete lobby areas depressing after seeing them built). --iMb~Meow 06:14, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I love how someone took the high res images I put in here and replaced them with grainy knock offs of the same places.  Drake P. 17:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Rumor has said that Sodexho's contract has expired and we are no longer going to use them for food services. If someone can confirm, this needs changing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CranstonIde (talk • contribs) 13:26, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sodexho]] Contract

message: Do we really need this section? It doesn't seem to add much to the article other than bloat. -- LGagnon 04:43, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Academics Departments

message: he doesnt exist and further more I am deleting it now cause he sucks. -- User:Utterlunacy
:This article is not your personal opinion column. -- LGagnon 12:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dan Rubin is not famous 

message: I removed the phrase "the leader of the depression era 'Clyde Barrow Gang'" after the name of Clyde Barrow as it seemed to me to be a joke or hoax.  The gangster Clyde Barrow died in 1934.  MacPhilbin 01:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little Red Book Controversy 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:UMass-Dartmouth-logo2007.png

message: Please see RfC at Talk:Dartmouth#Dartmouth:_Disambiguation_or_Redirection.3F.  --Noleander (talk) 00:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC on disambiguation 

message: Someone added Dzhokhar Tsarnaev of Boston Marathon Bombings infamy to the list of notable UMD alumni and someone else took him off the list on the ground that he was not an alumnus.  The stated objection was slightly incorrect: any former student is in fact an alumnus, even if they never earned a degree.  Tsarnaev is not an alumnus— but not because he hasn't earned a degree. He is (as of the day he was arrested) still currently a student, although he presumably will be unable to continue his studies.  Aside from the fact that the university might expel him, he is facing a  life (or even death) sentence if  (as seems almost certain) he is found guilty of any one of the many crimes he is being charged with.  (Also, some news reports have stated that he was getting bad grades and was about to flunk out.)  In any case, he will be an alumnus at some point in the future, once his classmates graduate, even if he himself never graduates.  Timothy Horrigan (talk) 03:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He is of course not really a notable person per se, aside from being one of two perpetrators of a horrendous crime. I doubt he will ever rate his own Wikipedia article. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 03:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  He has his own Wikipedia page infused with his deceased brother. Regardless of the things he did, he is famous for be it good or bad reasons. Heck, even the DC Snipers have their own Wikipedia pages as well as McVeigh and the failed 2010 Times Square bomber. Dzhokhar is notable to have (and will eventually) his own Wikipedia page. If some random Korean football player who plays in a Korean football can have his own page, then he will. weka (talk) 07:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I still think that he should be mentioned somewhere on this page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.19.20 (talk) 18:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just read the discussion here and apologize for my mistake... I was the one who originally removed the name from the list for not being an alumnus... it seems that I was right that he wasn't an alumnus, but for the wrong reasons, as noted above.   I had been operating off the definition of "alumnus" included elsewhere on Wikipedia: "An alumnus (masculine, plural 'alumni') or alumna (feminine, plural 'alumnae') is a graduate of a school, college, or university."   That said, I admit that I had just recently made a second correction re-removing the name with a similar reason before someone pointed out this discussion out to me; only then did I realize my error.  So, again, my removal of his name from the alumnus list is currently correct at the present time, even if my stated reason may be off, depending on the definition of alumnus used.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.88.187.192 (talk) 18:22, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

text: Please see WP:NPOV and WP:N; in short, notability isn't dependent on your whether you like something or someone but on whether the subject has received a significant amount of attention in reliable sources. ElKevbo (talk) 22:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

text: To assert that what Tsarnaev has done isn't notable is, to put it succinctly, ignorant.  I'm guessing you're a student at his university, and I can see why his actions would outrage the student body.  But to insinuate that he's not "notable" because his fame/notoriety comes from a heinous criminal act, is wrong.  By that same logic, Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, Eric Rudolph, John Wayne Gacy, Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Hitler, Pol Pot, Joseph Kony, etc are not notable or worthy of inclusion on this project because they, too, were evil.  Notability does NOT carry with it an implied positive connotation.  Notability can be good, bad or indifferent.  Dzhokar Tsarnaev has been talked about in the news more times in the past two weeks than any person on the planet.  His criminal act has headlined CNN, MSNBC, USA Today, BBC, etc for the past two weeks.  A Google search of his name yields 320,000,000 results, which grows every hour.  Simply put, he is notable.  Your continued insistance in engaging in an edit war and removing the content is only going to result in you being blocked from editing.  Cut it out. 208.40.242.41 (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Because some of us, REAL alumni of UMD, don't like what he did, and want him shunned. - Denimadept (talk) 07:04, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia chronicles the good, the bad, and the ugly. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Denimadept, shun him all you want, but don't use Wikipedia as your platform. Please limit yourself to arguments based in Wikipedia policy. ―Mandruss ☎ 06:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

text: If any admins are wandering by, this article could probably benefit from semi-protection as UMass Dartmouth IPs are hitting it repeatedly. Tarc (talk) 19:52, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

text: And again, this proposal affects all university/college articles and should be made in a central location. --NeilN talk to me 02:15, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Again, why it is suddenly urgent to resolve this for this article, just when Tsarnaev becomes an issue? That list has existed for about 9 years; need I pin down how long it has contained non-graduates? ―Mandruss ☎ 02:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

text: See WP:NOTABILITY. No special attention is needed for this article. --NeilN talk to me 02:58, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

text: (ec) Apparently you don't understand what "notable" means in the Wikipedia context. It certainly has absolutely nothing to do with words like "distinguished", "remarkable", and "outstanding". See WP:Notability. Tsarnaev has qualified for his own article, and the standard there is even higher than that for a list such as this. ―Mandruss ☎ 03:00, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire thing boils down to whether or not 1) he's an alumni of the university and 2) whether he's notable.  As to the first point, the definition of alumni is "graduate OR former student."  Tsarnaev is a former student, he meets that criteria.  The second is whether or not he's notable.  I've seen the (ridiculous) arguments that notability only pertains to the positive things, and not the negative.  That's simply untrue.  Tsarnaev is notable, by any metric you look at.  "Worthy of note" is not, itself, inherently positive.  There are very negative things that are "worthy of note," the Holocaust, for example, is worthy of note.  As to whether or not he's "remarkable," you have to look at "remarkable" in a neutral aspect as well.  Remarkable is a synonym of things like "incredible," which can be used to show a degree of happiness or sadness, thus, it's not only a positive connotation.  Other synonyms for "remarkable" are stunning, momentous, unbelievable, etc.  All of which can be used to refer to the crimes he's convicted of committing.  Simply put, the fact that UMass Dartmouth students and alumni don't want him associated with their school, is irrelevant, he clearly meets the criteria for inclusion.  We don't just include only the good people.  Aaron Hernandez is still listed in various places.  The Unabomber is still listed as an alumni of UM. 208.40.242.41 (talk) 02:26, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Not an Alumnus 

message: Without  predjudice to any outcome of any discussion regarding content or any policies or guidelines governing  the inclusion of former students in school/college articles, I  have temporarily restricted the editing of this article in order to stop the edit warring. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:04, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Did something go awry?  AN IP editor just edited a moment ago, and the page protection log shows no entries. Tarc (talk) 15:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Possily. I've done it again. Should work now. Thanks for the heads up. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Still not working, and still needed. ―Mandruss ☎ 21:49, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This talk page has been semied, not the article. --NeilN talk to me 21:59, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page semi-protected 

message: I have removed info regarding UMass system ranking that are not specific to the Dartmouth campus (e.g., the Times Higher Education ranking and Reuters ranking) . Such info belong in University of Massachusetts article. --Wcam (talk) 17:59, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop engaging in edit warring. Readers are aware that UMass Dartmouth is a part of UMass system because the lead section said so, and this article is about UMass Dartmouth. The Times Higher Education ranking and Reuters ranking info is off-topic. Readers can refer to University of Massachusetts article for such information. --Wcam (talk) 19:17, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

text: The USNews national ranking is about the Dartmouth campus, whereas the Times ranking is about the UMass system. It's very misleading that you list these rankings together in the ranking infobox since they are about different entities. Also, UMass Dartmouth is not even listed in the USNews global ranking so why do you insist on listing it? --Wcam (talk) 13:43, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

text: I understand that Reuters, Times, and RUR consider UMass as one entity, and we both agree that the way Reuters, Times, and RUR treat UMass in their rankings are different than USNews and Washington Monthly do. But if you list all of them together in this article, it is like comparing apples and oranges. Also you say you "personally have been working on different projects with the university", this page Wikipedia:Conflict of interest may be relevant.  --Wcam (talk) 11:34, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Since our discussion isn't going anywhere I listed it on Wikipedia:Third opinion. Hopefully we get some comments.--Wcam (talk) 23:41, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Thank you for your input.  If you don't object I will remove the UMass system ranking info. --Wcam (talk) 19:34, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  UMass system ranking that are not specific to the Dartmouth campus 

message: I agree with  that the info that s/he removed would be more suitable at the main University of Massachusetts article, as that info doesn't appear to apply to the article about this "offspring" campus. (SN: Wcam, I think this would have been better coming from an uninvolved editor (your edit summary states that it was a 3RR violation, but all edit wars aren't necessarily 3RR violations).) Erpert blah, blah, blah... 19:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your input.  If you don't object I will remove the UMass system ranking info. --Wcam (talk) 19:34, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: JaredAlmeida has begun an edit war to add an unsourced listing of student clubs and organizations. Even if a source were added, I would still object to this detailed listing of specific organizations that have no discussion or context. ElKevbo (talk) 17:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of student clubs and organizations