Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Greece/Archive 2

message: Hi all. You may be interested to know that Alex Bakharev has just made a new very interesting bot, User:AlexNewArtBot, which may immensely help lessening the amount of work in Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/New articles.--Aldux 15:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the advice. The project is now supported by the bot.--Yannismarou 16:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Articles

message: The article titles concerning the various factions of the Greek Civil War (EDES, ELAS, EAM etc) are in a transliterated form of the Greek name, which is not only difficult for a non-Greek speaker to remember or use, but also contrary to established practice (e.g. for political parties). I suggest moving them to their corresponding English titles, e.g. National People's Liberation Army for ELAS. Regards, Cplakidas 23:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection from me. Do we know what if any similar issue has been discussed in the naming conventions of any other project?! Just one remark: Before initiating massive renamings, I think we should start a discussion in the talk page of each of these articles, and see if there are any objections from editors that may not watch our discussion here.--Yannismarou 20:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming conventions

message: I have created a mere stub for Greek police. I intend to work on it more, incorporating stuff from :el:Ελληνική Αστυνομία, however I must go to sleep (strange ideas I have, creating stubs at wikipedia at 5.30 in the morning...) If anyone feels like it please feel free to add to the stub. Also, wikilinking to it from related articles would be great.  --Michalis Famelis (talk) 03:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek police article created 

message: The current  template for municipalities is being updated, see . We think it's almost ready for launch (it's easy to convert the old infobox into the new one, which has nice new features). Please add your comments on the template talk page. Markussep 18:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox for towns

message: This image is marked for future oblivion. Anyone interested please make your point(s) at its  voting to keep or delete. Many thanks. Dr.K. 19:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sartzetakhs2.jpg 

message: Without intending to end the above discussion, I just wanted to inform that I reorganized and restructured the review section, in order to offer to the users a complete image of all our articles under review.--Yannismarou 12:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/Review|Review department]]

message: On the project page, under "Infoboxes" we've got  as the infobox for Greek prime ministers. Firstly, I disagree with naming an infobox "Greek" when it is specifically for prime ministers. But, perhaps more importantly, the template already exists and it is used for a "person, place, or concept whose name is originally rendered in the Greek alphabet" and it's a banner. I would've edited the page already but, I'm hesitant to edit the main project page, without discussion, when it's not a blatant issue. --Kimontalk 14:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also noted that a few minutes ago. It is an edit left from the previous WP:Greece before the merge. Probably the editor confused something there. I don't think anybody would object to the correction of such an obvious mistake.--Yannismarou 14:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there isn't any objection, I'll edit the page and rename the Greek PM infobox placeholder to "GreecePM". --Kimontalk 14:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done --Kimontalk 18:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates/Infoboxes 

message: I took the initiative to create a sub-page for the members; and per our discussion above I seperated us in active and inactive members (I saw no objection in doing that); I'll periodically check the list, and everybody else of course can do the same thing.
About the barnstar: Kimon, I think we should make the test page of yours with the template of the barnstar official. Improvements in the design are welcome, but for the time being I don't see any "radical" ideas (personally, I realised that I am incompetent with Photoshop!). Hence I think it is acceptable and nice. What do you say? Are we going to include it in the main page?--Yannismarou 10:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As the creator of the barnstar, I really have no say but, I guess it's a start :) --Kimontalk 16:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Made it official.--Yannismarou 12:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Barnstars (again) - members 

message: User:Deucalionite has tried to create a :Category:Dab-Class Greek articles, apparently as a complement to the project assessment scheme, intended to list disambiguation pages within the scope of the project. - Do we want such a category? I'm not really convinced of its use; Deucalionite seems unclear about how to realise it technically (but he seems not to want to be on speaking terms with me, so I can't discuss it with him). If project members see a use for it, fine, otherwise I'll propose it for deletion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the NA category is already covering this category (not only this but it is created for disamb pages as well). Personally, I don't see its necessity, but I would like to listen to Deucalionite and other members' opinions as well.--Yannismarou 22:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: OK! Some better imput now! The disamb pages are not supposed to be rated. The disamb cat Dieucalionite created is presented as part of the rating categories, which is not correct. These are rating categories for "articles". Disamb pages are what their name says: "pages" not articles. Personally, my opinion is that dis pages are covered by the NA parameter of our banner, and there is not a reason for this cat., which as I said is not accurately presented as a rating the quality category. So, my belief is that these three articles categorized as "dis" should be recategorized as "NA". I'll inform Deucalionite about the discussion here.--Yannismarou 22:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Though I see Yiannismarou's point about dab pages being covered by the NA flag, we may need a category or section for just these pages. How many of these do we have actually? If there is a relatively high number of them, I would say let's keep it. If only a few, then we don't need it. --Kimontalk 00:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at :Category:Disambig-Class Turkey articles.. When it was created it was pretty short but it is getting bigger all the time, and is helping the creation and maintenance of other disambig pages related to WPTR. The parameters in the WPTR template makes it list under that cat which is a sub-cat of :Category:Non-article Turkey pages.. The Dab rating is for the class, and the NA importance rating coupled with Dab, Cat or Template class rating makes it so that it is not listed under "unknown importance WPTR articles", nor other importance cats but just the Dab, Cat or Temp cats.. It might be useful to have one in the long run.. However the project template must be updated with the correct syntax to make sure that it doesn't mess up the categorization scheme.. Baristarim 02:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's an excellent idea! Keep the category and update the project banner to handle dab pages properly. I like it. --Kimontalk 02:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems interesting. I'll try to update the banner some time today.--Yannismarou 09:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: OK! It seems that our banner was already ready! Now, if you edit "rate=dab" or "rate=Dab" in the banner, the banner will automatically generate the :Category:Disambig-Class Greek articles. I created it and put it under the category :Category:Non-article Greece pages, which is under the :Category:WikiProject Greece! Clear enough?!!! The template can also generate automatically categories for templates etc., which will also be put under :Category:Non-article Greece pages. After that all the articles Deucalionite put under his category are now under the new automatically updated category. That simple! So, Deucalionite's category has no more any reason of existence, since it has been replaced by a same more accurate category. Do we now have to go through a procedure in order to delete :Category:Dab-Class Greek articles? Since it no longer serves to anything, is there any objection if I delete it straight away?--Yannismarou 11:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we're good now. If there aren't any objections, I think you should go forward. --Kimontalk 16:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the input guys. As you've now replaced the category with another, would people mind if I deleted the old one without going through a formal CfD? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so! Nobody seems to object. So, I deleted it.--Yannismarou 16:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New wikiproject cat wanted? 

message: I moved, after three weeks with no objections, the article on Halkidiki to that spelling, from the long-obsolete Chalcidice.  I give some more argument for why this makes sense on Talk:Halkidiki.  Someone, presumably a classicist who prefers the old spelling, has now objected on the talk page, so additional people weighing in would be helpful. Thanks. --Delirium 20:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has yet again proposed moving back to Chalcidice, so people may be interested in weighing in on the survey once more (see Talk:Chalkidiki). --Delirium 22:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Halkidiki]] 

message: Hi everyone, a discuss is going on at WPMILHIST about wether or not an Ottoman task force should be created. Since this subject seems to go hand in hand with some Greek articles, I thought this would be a good place to past a message. If you are intrested please ggo to WPMILHIST and show your support. Geia. Kyriakos 09:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ottoman MILHIST taskforce

message: Synoecism has been tagged "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards" since November 2005. "The oldest cleanup requests are the highest priority, to prevent embarrassing problems from going unfixed for an indefinite length of time" . IMHO, the article is just barely keep-worthy, but (IMHO) the "needs cleanup" is very appropriate. Anybody care to take a look? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 06:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cleaned and wikified. Still needs an editor familiar with the topic. --Kimontalk 16:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Synoecism]] needs your help 

message: I've just AfD'ed Gerasimos Kalogerakis. Perhaps you may want to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerasimos Kalogerakis. --Pjacobi 20:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerasimos Kalogerakis 

message: Inspired by the above AfD information, I decided to revive and update the Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Greece. I also think about to include in the project's sidebar, so as any member of the project to have immediate access to it.--Yannismarou 15:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added to the sidebar. Please, help with updating the list whenever you find an AfD about a Greece-related article. Thanks!--Yannismarou 15:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Greece

message: I think about mentioning in the project's main page ("Showcase") that A-Class articles are "articles with GA status or articles that have successfully passed an A-Class review by a wikiproject, which are considered to provide a well-written and complete treatment of the topic". In this way I want to make clear than only GA articles or articles that have been reviewed for A-Class status (we don't yet have such a review, but WP:MILHIST has for instance) should be rated as A. Is there any objection to this proposal?--Yannismarou 10:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A-Class articles

message: Boeotia has been looking for a map since at least 11 September 2006. Can anybody create one? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 12:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try this :Image:GreeceBoeotia.png --Kimontalk 14:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Link not working. -- Writtenonsand 06:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I requested its deletion as there appears to be a duplicate article and image. --Kimontalk 15:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, so how is Boeotia different from Boeotia Prefecture? --Kimontalk 14:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what is going on is that Boeotia is meant to be the article about the history of ancient Boeotia, while the Boeotia Prefecture article is about Boeotia in general. I guess according to WP:SUMMARY Boeotia would be the main article of the ancient history section at Boeotia Prefecture. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 16:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think the article should first clarify its scope. We need a main article about Boeotia in general, focusing on modern Boeotia, in which a history section and a sub-article per WP:SS could be included. About the map itself, personally, I cannot help!--Yannismarou 17:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. As for the map, can't we use the maps used in Boeotia Prefecture? --Kimontalk 17:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kimon, be brave. Just go ahead and add the existing map to the article. There is really not much need to discuss it, if only to ask for a better map (eg a more historical one, depicting the boundaries of ancient Boeotia). --Michalis Famelis (talk) 17:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: In fact, I just did it myself. Cheers. :-) --Michalis Famelis (talk) 17:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Boeotia]] needs map 

message: I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bilateral relations discussion

message: "Actually, the to-do page is currently transcluded in at least two places, here and at the Greece portal. But in any case, the fact that this went unnoticed for so long indicates it doesn't get that many readers, right? And the whole noticeboard page has been pretty inactive too for a while. Maybe the whole thing should be merged into the (much more active) WikiProject? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk • contribs) 20:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not. --Kimontalk 20:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean incorporate the notice board of the main page into the project? It could be somehow combined with the announcement list and the to-do list of the project. But I must figure out how! Any suggestions?--Yannismarou 08:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we can replace  with . Honestly, from what I've seen, neither one has really been kept up to date anyway, so whichever we keep is fine by me. --Kimontalk 14:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Support - as noted in my comment above (might as well make it a support/oppose like thing) --Kimontalk 13:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I haven't forgot this issue neither. When I find some time, I'll implement the merge, unless somebody else is quicker than me!--Yannismarou 20:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge into [[WP:GREECE]]? 

message: (new section for this)
And we must also work on our portal. It is terrible! With the necessary amount of work we could make it feautured.--Yannismarou 08:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which country's portal do you suggest it gets modeled after? --Kimontalk 13:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you go to here, you'll see all the featured portals. I think that Portal:Ukraine and Portal:Germany are tow of the best.--Yannismarou 13:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I didn't even know we had a portal. El Greco 16:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Portal:Greece]] 

message: Just a quick question, can we move Template:WPGreece to a four letter acronym like ,  or ? It is just because when I am tagging the articles I constantly get confused over where the template actually is. I was using the WPHOG code for a while, then it got merged with WikiProject Greece! (and WPHOG was case sensitive, or something like that) So what would be the best acronym? (the others would be redirects anyways) Baristarim 12:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea. How about ? --Kimontalk 13:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, sounds good. Let's see what the others will think. Shouldn't be too controversial though.. Baristarim 13:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Guys, no objection. I just hope that change after change, and redirect after redirect (WPHOG to WPGreece, WPGreece to whatever), there will be no messing.--Yannismarou 15:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problems, I will modify the redirects using AWB - I already had to do it for WPTR two months ago: Most of them were at Template:WikiProject Turkey.. Baristarim 15:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK! Then I'll rename it within the day. Let's fix some techinicalities that occurred in its function. Do it yourselves if you wish. No problem from me.--Yannismarou 08:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those problems are now fixed. Rename when ready! --Kimontalk 14:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did it. Just check in case I missed or messed something.--Yannismarou 16:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I did messed something! The redirects!!! So I revert myself, until Kimon has a look who is more capable than me in these issues!--Yannismarou 16:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Templates don't appear to support more than a single redirect --Kimontalk 17:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I then realized that this was the problem, but I had left home, and I could not fix it myself! Thanks!--Yannismarou 15:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: Hello. Could someone from the project take a look at the article Nikos Tzouannis? I'm not sure that he meets WP:BIO but I'd rather not pass that judgement since obviously I might be seriously underestimating the importance of this sports journalist. Please submit it to AfD if you feel that he does not meet our criteria for inclusion. Thanks! Pascal.Tesson 02:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AfDed by me and included in the list of Greece-related deletions.--Yannismarou 08:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Pascal.Tesson 11:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on notability of Nikos Tzouannis 

message: :Category:Greek and Roman astronomers is being proposed to be renamed :category:ancient roman astronomers 132.205.44.134 00:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Greek and Roman astronomers 

message: Ok, I've updated our project template  with the auto parameter. Before I can submit a request to a bot operator to add this project I need to get consensus. The articles will be automatically assessed as stub quality and placed in the category :Category:Automatically assessed Greece articles. The list of articles will be retrieved from :Category:Unassessed Greek articles. What does the membership here think? --Kimontalk 21:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I think it is a great idea!--Yannismarou 08:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Bots for new articles, bots for auto-assessing ... I think we, the human beings, are getting useless here! Therefore, I'll now update the "New Articles" section through Alex's bot, trying to feed my human ego!--Yannismarou 08:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: *Any other comments? Should I take the silence as consent? --Kimontalk 19:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I think so!--Yannismarou 20:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Have a bot automatically tag unassessed articles? 

message: I updated the notice board and included in our project per the discussion above. I suppose Template:WPGreeceOpenTasks is heading towards deletion now. Please, check the changes and additions I did to the notice board, and do not hesitate to further improve it and modify it.--Yannismarou 17:01, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for making the merger/move. Now, let's hope it generates the activity we want. --Kimontalk 18:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Replacing {{tl|WPGreeceOpenTasks}} with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Greek Wikipedians' notice board/to do]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>

message: Parthenon is in danger to lose its start. I think it is a matter of urgent priority. Unfortunately, on Saturday I'm leaving from Greece for ten days, during which I'll have no access to computer. Until I am back, if no improvements are done, Parthenon will be in FARC. As you may have already understood, my time is very limited right now (not only because of the journey). I'll try to do my best with the article, but, please, have a look at the relevant FARC page, and help the article so as not to lose its star. I think the main problem right now is the lack of inline citations.--Yannismarou 08:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about adding Pausanias' Description as a quote in the stub section. I've made three alternatives to chose from here. Odysses (☜) 09:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Such boxes could be nice, but I think that stub sections should be first expanded with prose and addition of material and sources. And then we can see about adding quote-boxes--Yannismarou 18:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Parthenon]] is in FAR!

message: Which look is preferable, the one the template currently has or this one: User:Kimon/WPGR? --Kimontalk 21:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the difference.  BTW, I saw the note on not cluttering up the talk pages with unused parameters and I will be better about that now. :) Argos'Dad 23:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Crap! While trying to keep the test copy in synch with the production copy, I messed up the image. Try now. --Kimontalk 23:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, now I see.  I appreciate creativity and think we should constantly look at things and even change them.  I am not sure if this change is the best.  The Greek flag to me is limiting to the Hellenic Republic and I think the project includes articles about Greece writ large: from the Descent of the Dorians through the Minoan, Hellenistic, Macedonian, Byzantine and Modern times, including the diaspora, Cyprus, and Cavafy (for example).  Maybe the flag is the best symbol for Greeks, but I wonder if there is an image that covers all that we include? Probably not, but let's think what represents Hellenism rather than the nation of Greece. Again, I want to encourage your creativity, but let's think bigger... Argos'Dad 23:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No disagreement. I was just thinking that the satellite image was limiting as well. How about a nice image of the Parthenon? --Kimontalk 01:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Parthenon is universally recognized as a symbol of Greece and Hellenism.  There was an Orthodox church inside it at one time (though you can't tell from the outside) so it also represents a fusion of the Ancient and Christian eras.  I think that might work. Some other ideas I thought of: a laurel wreath? a column? a stele of Athena?  Nothing Byzantine or modern seems to fit... the laurel wreath was ancient and also represents the revival of the Olympics which also brings in sports and culture. Just some thoughts... Argos'Dad 03:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was Catholic church in there too and also a mosque; it is also believed that the frieze showed a procession for a religious event that included sports (like the ancient Olympics), so the Parthenon would cover a whole lot of the subjects of Greece and Hellenism in general. Though I like the idea of the laurel wreath, it may be misinterpreted as a peace symbol which I don't think is what we want (not that there's anything wrong with peace or anything). I thought of a column of the ionic or corinthian style but, I thought it would be too plain, I don't know.....  You're right, nothing of the Roman era or later that comes to mind would adequately cover the broad subject we want.I updated the test template in my userspace with an image that Odysseas used for a barnstar proposal. Take a look --Kimontalk 16:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In case somebody has not noticed it this discussion, I also copy it to the project's main page. Oh! And something I just thought: If we choose the Parthenon for the template, can we also choose it for the barnstar, as it has been proposed above?--Yannismarou 17:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a great idea! We may want to consider using the same image we choose for the "top" project award as the one to represent the project and used in the template. --Kimontalk 18:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I like the new looking template. El Greco (talk • contribs) 20:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A "yes" from me too. Good job Kimon. Odysses (☜) 15:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you can make it official. Just a suggestion: in the portal link maybe you could use :Image:Flag-map of Greece.svg instead of the current map. But this is not something very important.--Yannismarou 15:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Look change 

message: copied from above
Should we have a project called "WikiProject Hellenism" which would cover everything Hellenic while this project would specialize on Greece-only articles? Much like WikiProject Jewish History and WikiProject Israel. --Kimontalk 17:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mmmm. Can we support two project at the same time? I don't know. And let's not forget that this project is the outcome of the merge of WP:History of Greece with WP:Greece, because it was decided that the spliting of powers between two projects was counter-productive. --Yannismarou 17:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know either but, with the push to making this project more generic, wouldn't it make sense? How many non-Greece related Greeks are members (e.g. from Cyprus) are members? Would a Hellenism project be more attractive to classicists and philellenes? There would definitely be some overlap between the two but, what do New Democracy (Greece) and Panhellenic Socialist Movement have to do with Hellenism and what do Cleopatra and the Indo-Greek Kingdom have to do with Greece? --Kimontalk 17:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Can't you just leave it as WP:Greece and then make a sub-Wiki Project of WP:Greece, called WP:Hellenism? El Greco (talk • contribs) 01:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Guys, we have to write a decent article on Hellenism first. Then, I'll agree to the rename. NikoSilver 09:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good point. BTW, what exactly do we mean by "Hellenism"? How broad (or narrow) a view do we take on it? Do we include the Roman-ruled Hellenistic East in it? Or the Byzantine Empire? Or the Ottoman period? Then, if we start focusing on periods, we ought to create a separate WP on each of them (personally, I think the Byz. Empire warrants a separate WP, but that is beyond our scope here). As far as our project is concerned, I agree with Yannis. If our problem is one of semantics, why don't we simply rename it to "WP:Greece and Hellenism" or something similar, just in order to highlight that we are not confined to the modern definition of Greece? Cplakidas 10:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO "Hellenism" is a superset of "Greece", so the inclusion of both is redundant. I would define Hellenism as the values and the ideals, not as the Greeks and their history. NikoSilver 11:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: What about Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome? Should that be integrated as well into WP:Hellenism or left alone? El Greco (talk • contribs) 18:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so because that project covers Ancient Rome in addition to Ancient Greece. If it were  called WikiProject Classical Greece, then it would definitely be a candidate for a merger. As it stands, I doubt it. --Kimontalk 18:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Kimon. Back to the point: Yannis said he would start dealing with Hellenism. I can't think of anyone better for the job.[shameless groveling] Anyone with the adequate background is encouraged to step in and do it, of course. My field of knowledge is definitely diametrically opposite, so I'll merely follow. NikoSilver 10:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll work on the article, but I can't guarantee about the time. Right now I have two university papers to write, Parthenon and Battle of Greece in Wikipedia, and then another commitment to work on Aya Sophia! Not to mention the work on this project (which I admit I have neglected, but I'll soon find again my shepe; thank God, Kimon is here) and on WP:Biography. If somebody is faster and wants to improve the article starting working before me, I'll definitely help him with all my forces.--Yannismarou 19:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I second Nikos' nomination! Yannis, you've only got yourself to blame for finding yourself in these situations. --Kimontalk 22:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Hellenism? 

message: Please take a look at Greek-American organized crime. The problem with the title is that it is ambiguous, it appears to link Greek Americans with the notion of "organized crime" implying guilt by association. A better heading may be Greek Americans and organized crime or some other more neutral heading you may wish to suggest. I have tried to do the same with Jewish-American organized crime by changing it to American Jews and organized crime but I was reverted, see Talk:Jewish-American organized crime#Recent page move. Only three articles in :Category:Organized crime groups have this kind of "title": African-American organized crime; Greek-American organized crime and Jewish-American organized crime. So will there be 134 articles in the future about "Foo organized crime" for all 134 categories in :Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and indeed for every class of human on Earth without hypocrisy??? Note how there is no article for Italian American organized crime as it's simply and correctly called Mafia. African Americans and Jewish Americans are not connected with organized crime as "representatives" or "symbols" of their race or religion. Every group has its criminals. So what else is new. Sure there are "gangs" just as there are :Category:Mafia gangs in :Category:Mafia groups (and by the way, if there are such African American or Jewish American gangs or groups then name them, but let's not leave it as if "guilt" is being laid at the door of all Greek Americans, African Americans or Jewish Americans etc), but the titles Greek-American organized crime or Jewish-American organized crime makes it sound, way, way bigger than it is in reality, and could easily slip into racism and antisemitism if not handled in a scrupulously WP:NPOV manner 100% of the time! The job of Wikipedia should not be to magnify the problem which is called POV editing, but to depict things accurately as they are. Please add your views. Thank you, IZAK 00:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When did the Greeks become organized? They can't even organize the construction of Olympic venues and they're involved in organized crime. That's a huge step for us Greeks. El Greco (talk • contribs) 01:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Valid point! How about renaming to Greek-American disorganized crime then? :-) No, seriously, maybe there should be a comprehensive WP:AfD (for renaming -not for deleting) of all those "Foo-American organized crime" articles, to "Foo-Americans and organized crime" to partly remove the guilt by association. I suggest someone brings it forward on a Global-American [sic] level. Please let us know. NikoSilver 10:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO, this article could even be deleted; not just renamed. My impression is that it relies on a single source, it looks like an essay or an excerpt of a book, it has no inline citations, I cannot find this title in Google ("Greek American Organized Crime" not just "Greek Americans" and "Organized Crime" in near phrases). I rename proposal by requesting a move is the least we can do.--Yannismarou 19:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You might also be interested in the "Category: Greek American mobsters", notably, one of the just two sub-categories of "Category:Greek Americans" (the other being ... "Category: Greek American politicians")... God forbid if there were categories, let's say as, 'Category: Greek American actors/actresses' (for "true American" 'stars' as Telly Savalas and Jennifer Aniston) or 'Cat: Greek American tennis players' (for "true American" icons as Pete Sampras). --13:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's something you see missing, go ahead and create the categories yourself. There isn't a conspiracy on Wikipedia. --Kimontalk 13:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, I am not implying that at all. I do not blame Wikipedia or anyone else. What I do point out however is that notable trend of missing categories. BTW, there was an edit conflict due to an erratum I was posting. Apparently there is another  sub-category: "Category: Fictional Greek-Americans". Sorry, my bad. -- 13:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No disagreement there. On another note, have you considered registering an account on Wikipedia? --Kimontalk 13:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:WHY for that. (the article is still under this name and no rename AfD proposed yet) NikoSilver 14:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek-American organized crime 

message: As part of our project's continuous effort to recruit new members and trying to mimic what other projects have done to invite folks, I've created this template: . Let me know what you think and if it's overkill. I just figure it's a quick and easy way to send invites and newbies may like the banner :) --Kimontalk 15:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks nice. If that doesn't work we could always give them a bottle of Metaxa. (That'll work everytime.):-) El Greco (talk • contribs) 18:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you could find a free image of a Metaxa or Ouzo bottle, I can change the image of the invite. I think that would be great! :) --Kimontalk 18:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's one from wikicommons. :Image:Metaxa_7_star_amphora.jpg And it's a 7 star one too!!! El Greco (talk • contribs) 18:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I added it as "version 2". I think the original looks better but, whatever the members here think. --Kimontalk 19:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first one for me! I see the discussion started on May 10. I think it is time to add it to Outreach. If there is no objection, I will do it within the day. I don't think we'll have more input here from members.--Yannismarou 10:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I've moved it to the template namespace so, it's now ready for you to publish it in the outreach area. --Kimontalk 13:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! See if you think we should add something more.--Yannismarou 13:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. --Kimontalk 16:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/Outreach|Reaching out]] to new users 

message: Greetings. On the Peisistratos page someone had added the text "(Check Link)" after the link to Hippocrates, and on further investigation I found that not only was that not the article on his father but none of the people named Hippocrates on the disambiguation page were the right one, either. So I searched the net for information on his father and created a new article, Hippocrates, father of Peisistratos and then fixed the link in Peisistratos to point to it.
While I was at it, I came across a link to this project on the talk page of another article. It seemed appropriate, so I put the same notice on the talk page of my new article, thus making it part of this project. I hope that's all right; it's late, and I was being bold. I did not add it to the list of new articles for this project as there was some mention there of a bot that does that, and I was afraid of messing things up. Cheers! --DavidConrad 06:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hippocrates, father of Peisistratos 

message: I was working the Wikfication backlog and came upon this article, and I think I lack the context to evaluate it.  Is it original research that needs to be deleted, or a legitimate article that should be improved?  Help from someone who knows a bit more about the subject would be... er... helpful. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is one of the worse I ever read in Wikipedia. As I said in my edit summary in the article, if sources are not provided for the most outrageous assertions of this article, ll remove the unsourced material.--Yannismarou 14:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. That's why I added the  tag. I was about to reduce the article to a 2-line stub but, figured someone else (better qualified than me) would be able to deal with it better. --Kimontalk 15:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bulgarian minority in Greece]]

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thread_title:  Byzantine Empire FAR 

message: I've done some editing on Opium, with an eye toward trying to understand its historical use in anaesthesia.  I still don't understand how the spongia sominfera actually worked.  I'm also curious why it didn't seem to lead to the same sorts of problems with addiction as were seen in the past few centuries.  If the article is of interest to your project, or if you have suggestions, thanks! Mike Serfas 01:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opium in ancient Greece

message: The Corfu article keeps getting rated as start class after its original classification as B class. It also gets rated as Mid importance after its original classification as top importance. I think we need a discussion on these two subjects to avoid any future edit reversals. Please address any comments on the discussion page of the Corfu article. Thanks. Dr.K. 19:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corfu 

message: I don't know where you guys put article requests, but I would like to ask for
*Athanasios Lefkaditis 
*A. E. Benakis 
*Demetrios Alexatos
*Demetrios A. Macrides 
*Leonidas J. Skyrianidis 
related to Greek Scouting. Chris 02:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested articles

message: Recently created article on Liberation Army of Chameria is considered for deletion. As there are apparently only a few sources in English languagewhich speak about it, help from someone who has access to Greek sources would be very welcome. Nikola 06:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberation Army of Chameria 

message: How do I sign up?!Tourskin 23:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just add your name to this list. Welcome! --Kimontalk 12:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Join 

message: Hello people: the article in Minoan Civilization is damaged by propagandists.
I give them the source: http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/laws.1.i.html
And they decline it as being my original reseacrh.
They write that the term Minos was coined by Evans and that the Greks adopted it after Evans used it.
This source provides the proof that Plato used it some centuries before Evans and they decline it, because as they say , consensus has not been achieved.
Look do something.
Also they write that the Mycenean Culture replaced the Minoan, i remove the term culture and put there Kingdom for these reasons:
a) Pottery is vastly similar
b) The Language (Linear A) has been deciphered using Linear B(Mycenean Greek)
c) Plato considers Minos as the one responsible for the Cretan Laws of his time, in this Book the Laws as sourced above.
All these 3 facts lead us to the conclusion, that the Minoan culture was not replaced by the Mycenean, but that the Kingdom was replaced, not the culture, for the culture is similar, how can you replace a vastly similar culture with an "alien" vastly similar culture?
They also delete the etymological term (Greek Language: Μινωικός Πολιτισμός)
What are they doing?
Someone take some action here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.103.252.148 (talk • contribs).
:The article in question needs a lot of work. It does not help that some editors cannot see understand the difference between the name "Minos" as attested in Plato and earlier sources and the adjective "Minoan" as applied to the culture of crete in the bronze age, preferring instead to see conspiracies that don't exist and taking offence where none is intended. The above, while not a very accurate description of the recent editing of the page, does display the mindset of those editors making it difficult to work on the improvement of the page in question. --5telios 18:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading from the long discussion on the article's talk page, it appears that Akhilleus has adequately explained why he removed those edits and I happen to agree with him. As for the identity question between you and the IP address, the timing and your arguments are indeed interesting. In any case, please use the article's talk page for these discussions. If you feel that the case cannot be resolved there, submit a request for arbritration --Kimontalk 20:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Again, please keep this discussion in article's talk page. To answer your question, I agree with Akhilleus' arguments because I would have made the same ones. --Kimontalk 19:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minoan Crete 

message: Yanni Theodoridis showed up yesterday under Articles for Deletion. Does anyone with knowledge of this subject have any reliable sources that could support this article, or information that the subject is non-notable (or even a hoax)? Thanks! --Charlene 01:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yanni Theodoridis 

message: I've nominated Template:Dialing codes in Greece - Zone 26 for a TFD, feel free to comment. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 03:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: oh, and i nominated the related Greece dialing code 26710 too. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 04:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TFD 

message: In August 2006 it was proposed that Gera Villages be merged into Lesbos Island. This has yet to be resolved. Please discuss here. JohnnyMrNinja 08:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of Gera Villages into Lesbos Island 

message: A lot could be written on Greek Hooliganism (especialy after the death of a fan in a women's voleyball match recently), but the Greece section in the article only says about an accident on Gate 7 which happened on 1981. There are other people who had died in football matches during the 80s. Hooliganism in Greece is really a big issue, since many riots have occured from 1980 up to 2007. The section must be greatly expanded. There are plenty of sources, and I 'm willing to help if anyone decides to start writing. Thank you Mitsos 11:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: @Mitsos 174.247.236.8 (talk) 15:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

text: @Mitsos 174.247.236.8 (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Football hooliganism#Greece]] 

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thread_title: [[Greco-Buddhism]] FAR 

message: Iv'e noticed that the above subject i badly represented when it comes to Greece. I'm not talking about the antiquity, of course, but rather of, for example, the 17th and 18th century. Im sure they where for example female artists in Greece then, but i have found none, not even at Goggle. It is also hard to find anything about feminist history in Greece, for example when women became of legal majority. It is an area that needs to be covered, i think, so i thought that i should suggest it, if anyone in the project is interested to write about it. Just a suggestion!--85.226.235.174 12:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women from history 

message: I decided to write this section after I checked Byzantine Empire's successful FAR closing. We did it! We kept the star, even with difficulties, even if the article still has deficiencies. And members of this project noticed the FAR review, and contributed themselves as well in order to save the article. And then I come to the project I initiated, and I see that nothing is moving, and I cannot share anymore my happiness with its most active members, because I do not know where they are, and why they are missing.
Yes, I know that I was the first who left for a period of time, and my limited presence is not yet over. I will be back with all my forces (or most of them!) after early September. Events beyond my control kept me and will keep me away for most of the time. Until then, I cannot support the project in the way I used to. But please! Keep this project alive until then! Don't let it perish! We achieved great things here, and we all made great and laborious efforts to improve it, and make it one of the most active national projects in Wikipedia.
Now, the situation is different, and I know that I am mainly or partially responsible for that. But I cannot help it. I still do my best, but it is no more enough. Until I can return to my previous rhythm of activity, please try to do what I and maybe other previously active members cannot: keep the project alive!--Yannismarou 14:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good to hear from you Yanni. I will try and keep this project updated to with FAC, FAR etc and I will try and maintain it until you are back to full flight. I hope I can help. Kyriakos 21:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will also continue to keep up the project.  I hope things will turn out well for you, Yanni. Argos'Dad 03:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep the project alive

message: I recently read the Albania article, and I was quite horrified by the nationalist POV content, particularly in the history section.  The following items I found particularly outrageous:
1) They include the sanctuary of Dodona, which as we all know is a Greek sanctuary and is located in Greece.  It has absolutely nothing to do with Albania and its inclusion in the article is an attempt to steal Greek history and implies territorial claims on Greece.  
2) The history section talks extensively about the ancient Pelasgians, even postulating an Albanian-Pelasgian link, which implies that somehow albanians are the "indigenous" people of the balkans.  While very Greek knows that this is false, this is dangerous as uninformed readers could fall for it.  They even go so far to mention the fact that the Pelasgians built the walls of Athens and were allowed to settle in Attica by the Athenians.  Again this has nothing to do with Albania and is potentially dangerous.
3) Every attempt has been made to eradicate any mention of the large Greek population of northern Epirus.
Overall, the level of nationalism and POV propaganda in the article is quite staggering.  I made changes concerning the Pealsgians and Dodona, but a certain user named Taulant23 keeps reverting them.  He refuses to engage in a civil discussion and even had the nerve to report me for vandalism, even though I discussed my edits in the Talk page.  Unfortunately, as I am rather new to Wikipedia I am at a loss as to how to proceed.  I would like to have the mention of Dodona and the Pelasgians removed, but i do not want to engage in an edit war.  Can someone have a look at the article in question and offer some advice?  I would also like to know how I can report this Taulant23 to the administrators for his atrocious behavior.  I find the nationalist propaganda on the Albania page very dangerous for Greece and its heritage (analogous to the FYROM dispute) and only by uniting will we be able to set the record straight and defeat this nasty propaganda. Tsourkpk 00:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dodona, Pelasgians, and Albanian propaganda 

message: Hello. This may be out of your scope of interest, in which case apologies. We've tried to invite various groups with an interest in south-eastern Europe. There's a discussion and vote going on at Talk:Kosovo#Kosovo:_terminology as to whether or not it's better to use Kosovo rather than Kosovan or Kosovar in the Wikipedia articles. There's also a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. Cheers. DSuser 16:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosovo 

message: I started a proposal over at WikiProjects to see how a WikiProject for Athens would do. All those interested, please add your names. Other cities like London, New York, Vienna, Manchester, Rome, Philadelphia have a WP, why not Athens? Here's the link to add your name: WP:COUNCIL/P El Greco (talk · contribs) 15:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Come on! We only have 3 votes so far. Where are you WPGR Members hiding? Athens needs your support and help!!! El Greco (talk · contribs) 17:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support for WP:Athens 

message: Pericles has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Vassyana 08:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pericles 

message: Recently I read this article and realised that despite the detail and effort that had been put in by previous editors, the point had been reached where a major revision to the article was required. The article had become much too long and was written in a style that was very difficult for the reader to follow. Therefore, I have removed what I considered to be unnecessary detail, as well as work to improve the grammar and layout of the article.
I would really appreciate feedback from anybody interested in this famous ancient Greek general on the changes that I have made to the article. Any additions to improve the quality and accuracy of the article would also be appreciated. --Chaleyer61 12:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major revision to the article on Philopoemen 

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thread_title: Treaty of Devol

message: Guys please add more sources and materials to the 2007 Greek fires article. My internet connection has many problems due to the fire and i can not longer edit, at least for the hour. Thanks --KaragouniS 12:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[2007 Greek fires]]

message: South Greece earthquake 2007 needs work on. I have created it 39 minutes after the incident. The sunder king 16:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New news event  

message: I have just started the pages on Dendra and Midea (Argolid) as well as Nafplion Archaeological Museum which I have based on the Thessaloniki Archeological Museum Article. They all need a lot of work yet. In the course of this, I noticed that not only is there no articles about the Urfirnis Ware but generally the Greek Neolithic is not very well articled. And the Dendra Armour should have an article. anyone interested in working on this stuff with me?  --5telios 18:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New articles - help needed 

message: I remember some trouble over copyright issues of images of archaeological sites and items exhibited in museums. The TAP - Archaeological Resources Fund (?) Ταμείο Αρχαιολογικών Πόρων is meant to be given money for use of such images (according to Greek law) as it holds the copyright. Arguments can be made, and have been made both ways, although I tend to veer towards the can't be copyrighted if it was created so long ago side. I remember someone a while back deleting all images of things like the parthenon as they were is violation of the open source nature of wikipedia. 
Was a consensus reached? I wish to illustrate some articles (Zarakas Monastery, Isova, Dendra and others) with my own images of the articles' subjects, should I? --5telios 09:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TAP and images 

message: I have been working with certain articles about Greek politics and I have found that the :Template:Politics of Greece is rather cumbersome to use. Being vertical as it is it takes up a lot of valuable space (that could be used e.g. for photos) and it unnecessarily elongates small articles, such as DIKKI. With party articles that have an infobox, it looks even uglier.
What I propose is that we make it a horizontal one, something to be put at the bottom of articles, such as :Template:Greece topics. Thoughts? --Michalis Famelis (talk) 00:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's how all the other Politics of (country) are. ( , etc.) If anything you might be able to align it on the left side of the article. To align left it's  {|align=left | |}, so you balance out the party infobox as to not elongate the page. El Greco (talk · contribs) 01:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Politics of Greece proposal 

message: Could someone take a look at :Image:Hellenic Navy Admiral Flag.JPG to try to work out who is the copyright holder of this image.  Thanks, John Vandenberg 05:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  image copyright 

message: The article at Magna Graecia is the text of the french wikipedia article transferred complete with french cats (which are producing red links). Could someone have a look into this? I am asking over at wikiproject classical greece and rome also. 
Cheers, --5telios 11:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the article was there - I just checked the history and reverted to the last english language version - sorry for the fuss. --5telios 11:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  problem at Magna Graecia 

message: Hey. I had an idea that I passed up to the high mucky-mucks (I think), but it occurred to me that I should post it here, as well. Please read the following and let me know what you think. Thanks!Ifnkovhg 03:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  APA (vel sim.) collaboration? 

message: Guys, please do something with this page. It has been polluting mainspace for more than two years now. Either wikify, merge, or prod. --Ghirla-трёп- 20:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that article looks like a mess. I'll try and add wikilinks to it and wikify it but I will not be able to help with info as it is not in my area of expertise. Kyriakos 23:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Cretan Gendarmerie in liberated Thessaloniki]] 

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thread_title:  Indo-Greek Kingdom 

message: Hi, we had a large number of requested articles for Greek pop singers over at WP:RA, and I thought I'd list them here just in case there is someone willing and able to do some expansion on our coverage in this area. Thanks.
* Aggeliki Iliadi popular greek singer
* Anastasia Rapti popular greek singer
* Angie Samiou popular greek singer
* Apostolia Zoi popular greek singer
* Christina Koletsa popular greek singer
* Despina Olympiou popular greek singer
* Dimitris Korgialas popular greek singer
* Efi Thodi popular greek singer
* Efi Sarri popular greek singer
* Eleana Papaioannou popular greek singer
* Elena Basi popular greek singer
* Eleni Peta popular greek singer
* Eva Milli popular greek singer
* Fani Drakopoulou popular greek singer
* Georgia Zara popular greek singer
* Gogo Mastrokosta popular greek singer
* Hryspa popular greek singer
* Katerina Topazi popular greek singer
* Kelly Kelekidou popular greek singer
* Lena Papadopoulou popular greek singer 
* Litsa Giagkousi popular greek singer
* Marianta Pieridi popular greek singer
* Maro Lytra popular greek singer
* Nikos Kourkoulis popular greek singer
* Nikos Vertis popular greek singer
* Nino (Greek singer) popular greek singer
* Panos Kiamos popular greek singer
* Rallia Hristidou popular greek singer
* Roula Stavrou popular greek singer
* Sofia Strati popular greek singer
* Thanos Petrelis popular greek singer
* Tina Trakou popular greek singer
* Vanesa Adamopoulou popular greek singer
* Vivi Mastralexi popular greek singer
* Zoi Papadopoulou popular greek singer
Chubbles 03:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notifying of requests for Greek pop singer articles

message: Is this "Nispon anomimata mi monan opsin" a translitteration from the greek "Η ελληνική έκδοση της εγκυκλοπαίδειας περιλαμβάνει αυτή τη"? (Some ancient (BC) Greek fountains are inscribed "Wash the sin as well as the face" according to http://home.egge.net/~savory/blog_sep_05.htm) Nsaa 13:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not exactly. The phrase in Greek is: "Νίψον ανομίματα μη μόναν όψιν". The Greek text you quoted says "The Greek version of the encyclopedia includes the" :)  --Kimontalk 17:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See also List of Greek phrases. Odysses (☜) 13:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I have recently reviewed Battle of Thermopylae and have determined that it is in very good shape but need some assistance to remain a GA. I have put the article on hold for seven days until the issues on the talk page of the article are addressed. I wanted to mention it here since the article falls under this project, and if interested, could assist in improving the article and help it to remain a GA. It currently has a few problems concerning inline citations and other general fixes. Additionally, I will be leaving messages on other WikiProjects and editors affiliated with the page to increase the number of participants assisting in the workload.
If you have any questions about what I've said here, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 23:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the Battle of Marathon is currently on hold as it needs some more inline citations for several facts and quotes. You can see the statements that should be addressed on the talk page of the article. --Nehrams2020 20:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Battle of Thermopylae has passed the GA criteria and remains a GA. Good job! Odysses (₪) 13:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Battle of Thermopylae]] [[WP:GA|GA]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps|sweeps]] review: 
On Hold
 Pass

message: Gymnasium (ancient Greece) says: "in ancient Greece only men practiced sports". Sparta says: "a strong emphasis was placed on the physical fitness of men as well as women. Despite their physical fitness, women could not compete in the Olympic Games, according to the Olympic rules (they competed in the Heraea Games instead)." Heraea Games says: "The ancient Heraea Games, dedicated to the goddess Hera (also spelled Heraia) is the first sanctioned (and recorded) women's athletic competition to be held in Olympic Stadium." (etc.) -- We need to reconcile these. -- 201.19.77.39 13:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Women athletes in ancient Greece

message: How can an article receive a rating on the importance scale? I'm talking about Greece national football team and a rating in Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece and Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. - Sthenel 06:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reassessed the article as it was automatically set to "stub" by a bot. It definitely isn't a stub class article but, it isn't a B class either. It's wholly lacking references. Once that's resolved, it can be reassessed and perhaps upgraded to a B class. As for the importance scale, I set it to High. --Kimontalk 13:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rating 

message: I am engaged, despite myself, in a silly but highly annoying revert conflict over the addition of certain phrases in this article. In order to get this over with, I have requested comments from other users. If you have any, please add them here. Thanks. Cplakidas 17:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greco-Italian War RfC 

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I have reviewed Byzantine-Seljuk wars and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 07:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Byzantine-Seljuk wars GA Sweeps Review: On Hold