Talk:List of Stargate SG-1 episodes/Archive 3

message: There is discussion at WP:AN/I#Fancruft_issue_again, and an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man that is attempting to create a precedent disallowing individual episodes. Matthew 18:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Peregrine Fisher and User:Matthew are attempting to vote stack this AfD by telling other users that this AfD will effect unrelated episode articles. This AfD is only about this set of articles, and stands on it's own. AfD is not a vote. Editors coming here to support a different show's set of episode articles should take the time to comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man situation individually. -- Ned Scott 18:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt to create precedent disallowing individual episodes 

message: I've changed the second half of season 10 to reflect the two different initial airdates of those episodes. I'd like to point out that there is precedent for this (such as the above mentioned Battlestar Galactica). Hopefully we can eventually convert the entire page to this or a similar format. Please discuss. --Scorp Stanton 21:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: but BSG was partly funded by Sky, stargate is funded entirely by an american channel... there is no need to list all the airdates of other countries unless you're gonna list all the countries... -Xornok 05:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly my point. It was funded by an American channel, so should the airdates reflect when it was shown on that channel? --Scorp Stanton 06:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, you're still with your idea. Dear Americans, stop believing everything must relate to America. Sci-Fi didn't want to air the episodes earlier, so their loss- the British got to see the final episodes earlier. It's okay as it is, we don't need an original American airdate, an original British airdate, an original Australian airdate and so on. Original airdate says it all- the first time it was aired, ever. What do you care if it's the first time aired in the US, the UK or elsewhere? In a couple of months it won't matter anymore, at all. byeee 17:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple Airdates 

message: There is a discussion about Fair use images in featured lists at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_list_criteria#Fair_Use_images which may result in this list losing its featured list status. - Peregrine Fisher 23:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove images or lose featured list status 

message: I've just gone through and standardised the width of most of the episode images (SG-1 and Atlantis) to 250px and applied the  tag to those articles needing it. Looking through most of the trivia I'm convinced the majority of it isn't needed. Matthew 14:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode articles 

message: I left some notes about my plans for the SG-1 episode articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stargate#SG-1 Episode notability. But before I execute these plans, I would like to ask other editors for their input (there, not here). Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 02:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A discussion about episode notability (not THE discussion of episode notability) 

message: See next discussion point instead of answering here please. – sgeureka t•c 15:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Straw Poll for Season 1 episodes 

message: Since I have transwikied Season 1 through 3, I thought I'd continue with Season 4. As I said before, the main reason for transwikiing the earlier seasons was because they don't have any audio commentaries and would have problems to justify their article (i.e. no sourced real-world information as necessary for an article per WP:EPISODE). Now, even though Seasons 4 through 10 do have audio commentaries, I question that some of these articles well ever be improved to meet WP:EPISODE because they were not popular or important for the big story picture. Would someone object if I cut down on episodes like "The Other Side" or "Scorched Earth" etc, leaving about one third of the episodes that I consider notable or favorites? As I did before, I'd cut the links first and wait a week so that others can re-insert the links back, and only then redirect the remaining articles to this LoE. Episode articles can be resurrected any time, but notability through significant real-world information must be established at some point to an justify article. All Season 4 episodes are transwikied and therefore still easily accessible via the wikia link, and the Season 4 articles here at WP are now tagged for what kind of work is needed for each article. Zero Hour (Stargate SG-1) gives you an idea, although The One Where No One's Ready from Friends (TV series) is also allowed as soon as the plot is trimmed massively. If others prefer me to not deal with Season 4, please say so also, but it would be nice if someone would start to work on Season 4 then. (My current plans for improvement mostly concern fan favorites of Seasons 8 through 10.) If no-one replies, I regard that as silent agreement. – sgeureka t•c 18:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been two days without a comment, so I was bold and cut the links of those Season 4 episodes that I consider neither fan favorites or important to the story. As I said, please restore those links where you would like to see encyclopedic improvement (per WP:EPISODE) or maybe even work on them. I'll start to redirect the unlinked episodes within the next week. All former article content can be accessed via the wikia link. – sgeureka t•c 19:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, well done. It seems pretty clear that these can aspire to little more than plot summaries and other in-universe details, so transwiki and redirect is the best option. Eusebeus (talk) 16:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also trim episodes of Season 4+ ? 

message: I own the illustrated companion books that contain outside information for the early episodes such as notes on production, writers comments on why they chose to go in this direction with character development ect. If I ressurected the articles and then added this additional information using the books as a reference would this constiture significant outside information? Million_Moments (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current consensus is to allow episode articles when (1) the plot is kept to 10 words per minute, (2) the article has at least two paragraphs for non-trivial real-world information (e.g. production, reception), and (3) there is little to no trivia or quotes. If you want to write such an article, awesome. (I just know that it is possible with the later seasons, e.g. Zero Hour (Stargate SG-1).) You should try to only improve one episode at a time, but episode articles are definately encouraged on wikipedia as long as they meet WP:EPISODE. Another way is to write season articles with such companion books, see Smallville (season 1). Go with whatever you prefer; nothing is set. – sgeureka t•c 17:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tell you what I'll do one for In the Line of Duty and Inaugeration and then the community can have a look over it and they can always be redirected back here, such is the power of wikipedia :p Million_Moments (talk) 10:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is perfectly okay. If you don't already know, WP:EPISODE is a generally accepted guideline that may help you in writing. It also gives examples of episode articles that became Featured, so it's definately worth a look at if you're still looking for inspiration. – sgeureka t•c 10:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Real World info for articles

message: Over the past months, TV episodes have been redirected by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here . --Maniwar (talk) 00:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centralized TV Episode Discussion 

message: Please see WT:STARGATE#Go from Episode articles to Season articles?. Comments are welcome there. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 20:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So now most of the episodes are merged to the list and transwikied. Good job, it needed to be done. Just a quick remark, episodes Thor's Hammer, Within the Serpent's Grasp, Thor's Chariot, The Tok'ra and maybe some more could keep their articels since they are vital for the ovrall plot. Seasons articles are a good idea and having seen the effort that was put in Zero Hour (Stargate SG-1), I am nominating it for a GA. --Tone 16:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What's real world info got to do with the overall plot .If plot is a justification to keep an article then most episodes should be here .If it isn't then basically none should be here no  matter how important the plot is .Garda40 (talk) 20:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, that's the idea - if there is no real-world info available, then the article shouldn't stay per WP:NOT#PLOT/WP:N. I am still holding out hope that the companion guides (I don't own any) have some for the first three seasons, but it doesn't seem like it. However, the major races articles (Asgard, Goa'uld, Tok'ra) already have the major events covered, so most of the episode articles would be kind of redundant anyway. – sgeureka t•c 22:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Go from Episode articles to Season articles? 

message: hi i might be soundin a bit thick but where are half the episode i know they used to exist but they dont link to anyting know. read something about at wikia or something if they are on this why is there nothing to tell me where to go. ps i thoguth the whole point of wikipedia was to gather information in one place not deceminate it into a thousand od places caus equite honestly its a pain not to be able to find something. and im sure the average person wont bother looking at a Wikia or whatever the heck its called but simply give up thus meaning they are less likely to return to wikipedia when they wish to look up information in the future.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.82.121.38 (talk) 22:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As mentioned in several threads above, the episode articles were transwikied to wikia, and the link is given behind each episode name. This takes one more click in the worst case. As for the purpose of wikipedia: if you want to write a sourced not-solely-plot article about an episode, go ahead. Anything else is discouraged by wikipedia policies and guidelines (which make sure that you always get the best article possible). – sgeureka t•c 02:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks verymuch however could i suggest one change that you make is not make the links slightly cleared what they are cause i completly missed them first time thanks again  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.82.121.38 (talk) 19:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't and still can't think of a link name that is short enough other than "wikia". Maybe rework the header slightly to make the connection clearer. (Please sign your posts with ~~~~). – sgeureka t•c 20:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

text: All that work has been preserved via the SG Wiki links. -- Ned Scott 06:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  No they don`t. The articles are different. Just take a look in the 1x01 and 10x20 as examples. And Wikipedia's articles are/were better. 189.25.151.55 (talk) 03:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you ever check who (re-)wrote them, and when? – sgeureka t•c 09:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  what the hell happened to the episodes? 

message: I have started an episode review for all remaining SG-1 episode articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate/Stargate SG-1 episode review, and ask for input from other intersted editors (there, not here). As the current arbcom case only restricts the (un)redirection and (un)deletion of episode articles but not discussion, this review is perfectly fine. I expect the review to last for one or two months, and hope that the currently disputed wikipedia policies and guidelines will have confirmed their old consensus or have found new consensus. Should the policies and guidelines change to allow episode articles regardless of (established) notability or real-world content, this episode review will of course be moot, but I don't expect this to happen, so I seize the day (month). – sgeureka t•c 17:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate/Stargate SG-1 episode review]]