Talk:Hindustani classical music

message: I've merged in content from Music of India and Indian classical music, content which all-along should have belonged here, IMHO (See Talk:Music of India). However, the article needs copy-editing bigtime. Among others, the sections names don't cohere at all - they're there simply because they reflect all the content moved in from other places. To top it all, since I have little knowledge of Hindustani music, I hope someone cross-checks the technical sections, such as the descriptions of the various types of compositions. Ambarish 15:43, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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message: I changed Afghan mughuls to Mughals. There is lot of changes need in Article Hindustani music.
It is not good to write it was started at the court of Delhi sultanate. what ever be the heart of Hindustani music is Central India ie Madhyapradesh and Maharashtra. But all places in North India had classical music. and it floorished in the age of Tansen. Hrisforu 04:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Afghan Mughuls renamed as Mughals

message: This page need a list of composers of Hindustani classical music urgently!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.217.29.110 (talk) 14:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composers 

message: I'm no expert, but it's my understanding that harmoniums are not used in Hindustani classical music because its Western (equal-tempered) scale doesn't allow for the microtonal inflections which are key to the musicological system. All other instruments on the list either make no discrete pitch separations (i.e. fretless string instruments) or somehow allow for meend (glissando) (bending a sitar string down, rolling fingers off the stops on a shenai, etc.). Harmoniums are certainly used in various folk music forms present in India such as Qawwali and Kirtan, but my understanding is that they're far more accepted in more Persian-influenced styles. From the wiki harmonium entry: "The harmonium is essentially an alien instrument to the Indian tradition, as it cannot mimic the voice, which is considered the basis of all Indian music. Meend (glissando), an integral part of any classical recitation is not possible on the harmonium, and as such, one cannot faithfully reproduce the subtle nuances of a raga on this instrument. The harmonium is thus despised by many connoisseurs of Indian music, who prefer the more authentic yet more technical sarangi, in accompanying khyal singing." I will remove the harmonium from the wind instruments listed under "instrumental music", unless a more informed person can correct my impression and/or cite an example of harmonium in Hindustani classical performance. Also, can anyone cite reference of either banjo or piano being used in Hindustani classical? Those examples also seem suspect to me, for the same reason.
: According to Soumik Datta, there is also a purist, conservative, anti-Western movement which rejects the harmonium and reluctantly accepts the violin, as a good imitator of the human voice. I think this conservatism is stronger in Carnatic than in Hindustani music. FangoFuficius (talk) 12:04, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with @FangoFuficius on this one as well. Many contemporary Hindustani classical musicians (and even those of the latter half of the 20th century) took up harmonium players as  accompaniment (can't speak to dhrupad, to be fair). Sarangi accompaniment has lessened as a result of such. I'd be happy to provide you with examples if need be. AGaiki (talk) 06:04, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Harmonium

message: Artist                	Instrument   	Genre  	School
Vishva Mohan Bhatt    	Mohan Veena  	Khayal 	Maihar Gharānā
Uday Bhawalkar        	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Dāgar Vāni
Debu Chaudhury        	Sitar        	Khayal 	Senia Gharānā
Bahauddin Dagar       	Rudra Veena  	Dhrupad	Dāgar Vāni
Zia Mohiuddin Dagar   	Rudra Veena  	Dhupad 	Dāgar Vāni
Akhilesh Gundechā	Pakhāwaj	Dhrupad	Dāgar Vāni
Ramakant Gundechā	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Dāgar Vāni
Umakant Gundechā 	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Dāgar Vāni
Ali Akbar Khan        	Sarod        	Khayal 	Maihar Gharānā
Allauddin Khan        	Sarod        	Khayal 	Maihar
Bade Ghulam Ali Khan  	Vocal        	Thumri 	Patiala Gharānā
Hafiz Khan            	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Talwandi Gharānā (Khandar Vāni)
Imrat Khan            	Sitar        	Khayal 	Imdadkhani Gharānā
Vilayat Khan          	Sitar        	Khayal 	Imdadkhani Gharānā
Nancy Lesh            	Cello        	Dhrupad	Dāgar Vāni
Ram Chatur Mallick    	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Darbhangā Gharānā (Gohar Vāni)
Vidur Mallick         	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Darbhangā Gharānā (Gohar Vāni)
Indrakishore Mishra   	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Khandar Vāni
Bholanath Pathak      	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Betia Gharānā
Anil Pathak           	Surbahar     	Dhrupad	Pathak Gharānā
Ritwik Sanyal         	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Dāgar Vāni
Raja Chhatrapati Singh	Pakhāwaj	Dhrupad	Dāgar Vāni
Mian Tansen           	Vocal        	Dhrupad	Gohar Vāni
NOTE: ARRANGED ALPHABETICALLY BY LAST NAME. FIRST NAME USED IF LAST NAME IS THE SAME.  
If you agree to this tabular arrangement, please insert more musicians into it!!
SDas 21:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested arrangement of major artists

message: Need article on the Taus (musical instrument). Badagnani (talk) 08:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Taus (musical instrument)]] 

message: I've noticed the list of 'prominent performers' as well as the section under instrumentalists, although there is absolutely no reason or context given for these placements. I'd like to suggest removing it as it is entirely un-encyclopedic. The relevant names would still be in the older revisions if someone wants to work those names into the body of the text of this article in a meaningful way. I'll wait on comment from other editors, however. Jacotto (talk) 03:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So presumably this page should be deleted as well? 24.1.31.69 (talk) 03:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that is a list page. If someone wants to put them into the List of Hindustani/ North Indian music composers page, that is fine. As is, it was a wall of names with no meaningful addition to the article itself. Jacotto (talk) 04:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Performers 

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message: This passage from the "Khyal" section of the article has an  untranslated quotation, followed by a passage of running text that doesn't illuminate it much, ad I don't see what relevance the quotation has except that it mentions three important names in Hindustani music. I decided to move it here for others to decide on its relevance. A. Parrot (talk) 01:41, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear portion 

message: The article requires to be simplified and structured or else a "hindustani classical for dummies" should be released. List of popular Hindustani classical's and its genre should be given for a newbie's understanding - At least the Vocal part of it. The article seems to be bourgeoisie, more technical and express' differences in schools rather than codifying it with encyclopedic standards.117.215.192.236 (talk) 07:52, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: The article requires to be simplified

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message: I am proposing to move the page to Hindustani music. 
# The article goes on to mention "Ghazals" and "Thumris" (which are not "classical") that fall under light Hindustani music.
# The article Carnatic Music is a good example. Its heading is accurate!
-Sattvic7 (talk) 16:53, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to move the page. 

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