Talk:Videophone

message: Pictures of videophones and less focus on fiction?
Boyinabox
Be sure the images  are not copyrighted.--Jondel 10:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Addition of images to the article

message: Visiophone is another name for Videophone, rarely used in English (mostly it appears to be used in French; it appears to be the French equivalent).  It should be merged into this page (not that there's a bunch to merge).  jesup 02:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would just replace Visiophone with a redirect to here, but though it best to let the active authors decide. Ramir 06:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree just redirect would be ok. Addhoc 11:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Added some info on cell phones with video calling. Frankly I'm surprised they were barely mentioned at all, considering how widespread their use is (30% of all mobile phones sold in europe are 3G and have video calling). Also added a picture I took of a video call in progress. Kalleboo 08:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Video calling via cellphones

message: I'm no expert, so I haven't added it myself, but why isn't ekiga listen here? --212.130.22.130 08:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ekiga 

message: While it's true that almost all 3G phones feature a front facing camera for video telephony, it seems to me that hardly anyone is actually using the feature. Does anyone have usage figures on video calls as a fraction of total calls (in distinct calls, or as a per-minute breakdown)? --82.10.182.148 (talk) 19:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Current Use" -- Any actual figures? 

message: Videophones have been widely accepted by Deaf Americans (and probably by many Deaf individuals in many countries), and I believe the technology has allowed for the first equivalent to distant auditory communication for the Deaf.  Earlier technologies depended on the written word, which is a form of English (or another written language), and was not equivalent to the visual language of the Deaf.  
For that reason, I suggest that more emphasis be given to the VP and its use in the Deaf community, as it has had such a great impact there.
I use the term "Deaf" to describe the community of people who use visual language as the first language.
Pat Isaacs 2:37, 24 August, 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.203.160 (talk) 06:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Videophone usage by the deaf

message: Wikipedia is no catalogue of services.  It is acceptable to mention specific service providers if they are notable, but price lists and the like is a bit over the top, and might constitute advertising.  In any case, such information is hardly notable in this context and therefore I have removed it.  Falcon 05:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: good decision --212.130.22.130 08:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: "In 2008 ACN introduced the IRIS 3000. It is the first inexpensive video phone for the masses ($99 for the unit, $29.99 per month for unlimited calls in the US and Canada). The phone is high resolution, real time and can be used to call any phone, whether it is video capable or not."
It would have been better to edit out any superlatives, i.e.: 'first inexpensive', and the pricing, since videophone models are not a commodity product.  I propose that a new section be added to the page to be called 'Currently Available Models', to aggregate them in one location, thus leaving the rest of the article sections to concentrate on history, technology, etceteras..... If the new section becomes excessively long, it can be spit off onto a new 'See also' webpage.  Wikipedians shouldn't restrict useful information solely because its connected to a commercial enterprise, otherwise you would have to remove thousands of other pages that describe specific TVs, cellphones, cameras models, etc...  HarryZilber (talk) 19:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising 

message: :Note: the section was previously titled: 'List of currently available videophones' 
Previously discussed in 'Advertising' (above):
:Wikipedia is no catalogue of services.  It is acceptable to mention specific service providers if they are notable, but price lists and the like is a bit over the top, and might constitute advertising.  In any case, such information is hardly notable in this context and therefore I have removed it.  Falcon 05:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: good decision --212.130.22.130 08:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: "In 2008 ACN introduced the IRIS 3000. It is the first inexpensive video phone for the masses ($99 for the unit, $29.99 per month for unlimited calls in the US and Canada). The phone is high resolution, real time and can be used to call any phone, whether it is video capable or not."
It would have been better to edit out any superlatives, i.e.: 'first inexpensive', and the pricing, since videophone models are not commodity products in the sense that there are so few existing models.  I propose that a new section be added to the page to be called 'Currently Available Models', to aggregate them in one location, thus leaving the rest of the article sections to concentrate on history, technology, etceteras.....   If the new section becomes excessively long, it can be spit off onto a new 'See also' webpage.  Wikipedians shouldn't restrict useful information solely because its connected to a commercial enterprise, otherwise you would have to remove thousands of other pages that describe specific TVs, radios, cellphones, cameras models, etc...  HarryZilber (talk) 19:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Hello, I think I'm the one who removed that passage which was clearly reading like an ad. But if it's possible to list the different models in a neutral way, I'm all for it.--McSly (talk) 23:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe listing commercial products on these pages is a good idea unless there is an extraordinary difference that is notable, in which case the product would probably have its own article.  If one product is listed, then everyone would claim their product should also and WP becomes nothing more than a list of commercials.  If an article HAS to have a list of providers, then it's better to use one DMOZ link to that directory and let the editors there sort out what is notable and not. There is no way that ACN merits special recognition here.  Calltech (talk) 01:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New section needed: 'List of Videophone, Webcam, etc... Brands'

message: Contrary to a sentence in an early version of this article which read:
:"In 1955, Gregorio Y. Zara, a Filipino engineer and a graduate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, invented the first videophone, known as the "photo phone signal separator network." 
...there's a large body of material showing that others developed and patented videophones prior to 1955.   There are, however, numerous citations, online articles and other materials (including a photo of several people sitting by of a large TV videophone) supporting the PHOTO-PHONE SIGNAL SEPARATOR NETWORK. Zara is NOT on record related to a "PHOTO-PHONE SIGNAL SEPARATOR NETWORK" at the US Patent Office, so its likely that he filed his patent in Manila.  
This book:
:INVENTIONS & Innovations
:By Virgilio L. Malang
:Published by Goodwill Trading Co., Inc.
:, 9789718822012
....is partially viewable online at Google Books, however the relevant page related to the 'Photo-Phone Signal Separator Network' is not. To add confusion to the issue, the forward in this book on Pg. 12 reads: "...the most well-known invention in electronics is credited to Filipino creativity and craftsmanship, but definitely there were previous achievements in this field. In 1962, the TV-TELEPHONE was designed by Gregorio Zara. For this invention, Zara won the first prize in a contest.... Then President Ramon Magsaysay was so impressed with this electronic novelty that enabled a caller to view onscreen the person on the other line and vice versa (sic)."
Until Zara's device can be reviewed and properly cited, the above sentence related to his 'Photo-Phone Signal Separator Network' has been pulled from the article.  We need a copy of that page, or its equivalent, to understand what Zara developed and patented in 1955 (or 1962).  Again, it was obviously not "the first videophone".      Comments? --HarryZilber (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gregorio Zara did not invent the first videophone  

message: In the Early history section of the article, someone previously made the statement: 
:"The British General Post Office also operated another public video telephone service prior to World War II."
Its been citation tagged for several months, and a check on Google and several television history books could find no mention of that videotelephony network.  If it is not adequately cited in the near future then it will be removed from the article. Are any Brits able to assist here? --HarryZilber (talk) 18:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To quote: "In the early 1940s, telecommunication services in the United Kingdom were predominantly for telephone speech and telegrams, with limited low-speed data and facsimile transmission. Telegrams were transmitted using teleprinters operating at 50 bits/s, corresponding to the speed of the average typist.  Video transmission hardly existed except for a few miles on cable pairs in London."  Source: "Advances in Imaging and Electron Physics, Volume 91", Peter W. Hawkes,	Academic Press, 1995, pg.191, , 9780120147335.
Does this reference to coax cable in London jog anyones memory? HarryZilber (talk) 22:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  British General Post Office operated a public video telephone service?? 

message: Citations needed . This article  needs citations . I understand that . But it's usually sufficient  to just put the template at the top of the page  and leave it at that. --Arperry (talk) 18:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations needed 

message: If anyone's able to provide licensed photos of those two early videophones please provide them. Licensed images of other early videophones or imagephones would also be appreciated.  Please go ahead and drop them into this article if you have them, or add them to the Commons section on videophones if you prefer (advising with a small note here if you do so).  If you need assistance with uploading, you can leave a message here or contact me on my webpage.  Thanks if you can help.... HarryZilber (talk) 18:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of the AT&T Picturephone and the Visiophone needed 

message: This new image of the Bondwell iiPhone was moved from the article to this Talk page today.  A quick Google search showed almost no information on it, and inserting its image without even a year of creation does a disservice to the article. A check of its source at the EPFL school museum in Switzerland didn't turn up any info that I could locate.  If anyone can provide further info on it here, we can decide how to structure it into the article. Best: HarryZilber (talk) 20:07, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info on the Bondwell videophone needed 

message: In popular culture media. Did you know that video phones were in the 1987 TV show and 2003 TV show of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Also in the 1991 CGI TV show Reboot, video phones were often used in Mainframe city.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrosswalkX (talk • contribs) 23:48, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles had video phones 

message: An editor previously made an improper cut and paste move of this article to the related article on videotelephony, which only partially concerns this topic. This was wrong on several accounts, for one: since cut and paste moves break the chain of attribution, such moves are copyright violations and thus prohibited by Wikipedia's MOS. If an editor feels that two articles should be combined, that person should start a discussion on both article talk pages as per Wikipedia:Merging, in order to gain consensus for the merger. However I feel the two articles should remain separate since Videophone has a rich and lengthy history largely distinct from modern videoconferencing.  Videotelephony covers the wide gamut of technologies from webcams to high definition telepresence. Combining all these technologies together would be like merging the article on the Ford Model T with the article on Automobile; by cramming everything into one page you loose the distinctions between the two topics and do a disservice to both of them. HarryZilber (talk) 17:14, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert improper cut-and-paste move to Videotelephony