Talk:Boy Scouts of the Philippines

message: Boy Scouts of the Philippines
181 N. A. Lopez Street
Ermita, Manila
Philippines
Tel. No.: +63 2 5275109/5280555
Fax No.: +63 2 5280577
Email: phiscout@skyinet.net
Scouting was first introduced in the Philippines by the United States, around 1914, 4 years after the Boy Scouts of America was founded.
The first all Filipino Scout Troop was organized in Zamboanga by a young lieutenant by the name of Sherman l. Kiser through the sponsorship of Mrs. Caroline S. Spencer, an American who was in the Philippines doing Charity work. The troop was composed of 26 Muslim boys.
In 1923, the Philippine Council-BSA was formed through the efforts of the Rotary Club of Manila mainly to launch Scouting as a nationwide movement and to provide guidance to the troops which had been independently organized throughout the country. 1923 is the official founding of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines.
In October 1936, president Manuel L. Quezon issued an act which made the Boy Scout movement a public corporation, "…to promote through organization and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train themselves in Scout craft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance and kindred virtues, using the methods which are in common use by Boy Scouts."
:ERRORS IN THE ABOVE UNSIGNED SECTION:
::The street sign for the BSP National Office address says: "Natividad Lopez."  The number "181" has not been displayed for several decades.
::Scouting was introduced in the Philippines by American individuals, not by the United States, the first in 1910, not four years after the BSA was founded.
::The first troops were organised by Americans in the capital area of Manila and its environs, the center and base of social, political, economic, military, and religious activities, not far-off Mindanao.
::The Zamboanga troop was organised by Sherman L. Kiser, not Sherman I. Kiser.
::Caroline Spencer came to the Philippines to do missionary work among Muslims.
::1923 is the founding date of the Boy Scouts of America Philippine Islands Council. 1936 is the official founding date of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines ("official" because the BSP started functioning only in 1938).
::President Quezon signed a legislative bill (not issued an act) that became a Commonwealth Act which legally created the Boy Scouts of the Philippines organization, not the Boy Scout movement. Like its parent, the Boy Scouts of America, the BSP was a chartered private organization, until 1991 when it was deemed a "government-controlled corporation" by the Supreme Court.
Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 23:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors

message: I don't think the entry for Don Bosco entry should even show on this article. We'll end up with all the Scouting groups placing descriptions about themselves. Mang Kiko 05:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don bosco catholic scouting movement 

message: The tagalog translation of the scout oath and law should not be translated as it is or literally.  The Boy Scouts of the Philippines do have their own set of oath and law; it may be a little bit the same compared to their English counterpart but its content is different.  Thanks a lot and god bless BSP.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Topeyangad (talk • contribs) 12:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagalog translation of the scout oath and law 

message: I have heard that the Philippines has the second largest number of scouts (after the USA) and the largest number per capita.  Is this true?  Can numbers be added to the article, cited of course? Northwestgnome (talk) 17:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbers

message: Citation is not needed to prove that Pres. Marcos was the first Philippine head of state to take the title of Chief Scout.  All the reader needs to do is to look at the list of BSP Chief Scouts.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 01:40, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong. Everything in Wikipedia needs to be cited per WP:VERIFY.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not everything in Wikipedia needs to be cited. For example, citation is not needed to say that Barack Obama is the President of the United States or that Ouagadougou is the capital of Burkina Faso.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 21:23, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Specious argument-both articles are already cited by the first sentence. Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Judgmental argument that  misses the point.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 11:49, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 
not
 needed 

message: Every time I weed out the non-Wikipedia-articled, unreferenced names, someone keeps putting them back. You people need to understand that just because they are notable within BSP does not automatically make them notable for Wikipedia. Please have a good read at WP:NOTABILITY.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crapmagnet 

message: I haven't seen another Wikipedia article so vandalised as this one.  The latest attack substitutes "Kelkel Pogi" for "Rodrigo Duterte" as the Chief Scout of the Philippines.  "Pogi" is Filipino slang for "handsome."  "Kelkel" is obviously some crazy, nonsensical nickname like "Bozo," concocted by someone playacting in buffoon mode.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 15:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't need to explain when you remove vandalism, removing vandalism is a good edit.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:43, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Now that the article on Chief Scout of the Philippines has been merged with this article, it could not be unfair to say that articles on Chief Scouts of the UK, Ireland, and Hong Kong be merged with their respective main articles.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 22:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: First, please read Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Second, Hong Kong was merged. Third, look at how well and thoroughly the UK and Ireland articles are written, they're not a trivial list, they are detailed and well researched. Meanwhile, this article is bloated with vanity additions of dozens who are not notable on Wikipedia. This article really needs cleaned up, I keep trying to do so, and you keep filling it up again. Slow down and please read WP:NOTABILITY.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a lot of energy and Scouting knowledge about your country. Why not write some of those missing biographies? Those are much more likely to stay as articles than these lists. Good luck!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: The Merge

message: Meanings of edits inserted by 112.198.100.30 on 14 September 2016:
:"Poke" = vagina
:"Titi" = penis
:"Dodo" = breast
:"Pwet" = buttocks or anus
:"Jakol" = masturbate
:The above five quoted words are all Tagalog words.
Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 10:27, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Revision as of 03:16, 14 September 2016  112.198.100.30  (→‎Rover advancement program)

message: The main article is suffering from vanity bloat and now content-forking, and could use an experienced Wiki editor to weed it as I have tried vainly to do. Meanwhile, Chief Executive Officers of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines and Presidents of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines need to be merged back here.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:24, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge [[Chief Executive Officers of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines]] and [[Presidents of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines]]

message: Vandalism of article Boy Scouts of the Philippines:
Date             	IP address     	Vandalism
26 August 2016   	112.198.72.226 	Added “Kelkel Pogi ewwwwww”
26 August 2016   	112.198.72.226 	Inserted “wtf”
26 August 2016   	203.87.133.128 	Substituted “Kelkel Pogi”  FOR  “Rodrigo Duterte”
June 2016        	180.191.134.187	Added “Fried Chicken”
9 March 2016     	112.198.146.16 	Added “MABAHO SI YEM” (meaning “Yem smells bad”).
9 March 2016     	112.198.146.16 	Inserted “MABAHO SI YEM AT SI KYLE” (meaning “Yem and Kyle smell bad”).
9 March 2016     	112.198.146.16 	Inserted “MABAHO SI YEM” (meaning “Yem smells bad”).
9 March 2016     	112.198.146.16 	Inserted “MABAHO” (meaning “smells bad”).
17 November 2015 	112.201.144.53 	Inserted “masterbaiting” [sic]
12 March 2015    	180.191.89.113 	Inserted “Lord Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell” as BSP Chief Scout
27 February 2015 	180.191.88.14  	Inserted “James de los Angeles” as BSP founder
9 January 2015   	122.3.141.123  	Inserted “Jejomar C. Binay” as BSP Chief Scout
11 December 2014 	180.191.88.19  	Substituted “Spongebob.png”  FOR  “Boy Scouts of the Philippines” image
11 December 2014 	180.191.88.19  	Inserted “General Baden-Powell” as BSP founder
11 December 2014 	180.191.88.19  	Substituted “James de los Angeles”  FOR  “Vicente Lim” as BSP founder
1 December 2014  	202.78.124.45  	Deleted entire Scout Oath
17 November 2014 	49.148.0.20    	Substituted “BURAT” six times for six Senior Scout ranks.  (“Burat” is Tagalog slang for “penis.”)
September 2014   	202.92.130.58  	Substituted “Palakaibigan”  FOR  “Mapagkaibigan” in Scout Oath.
12 August 2014   	203.215.117.105	Inserted “Paul John” in Scout Oath.  Inserted “Lyka” in Senior Scout Code.
8 August 2014    	203.87.173.18  	Inserted “Malorie and Cindy” in Senior Scout Code.
28 June 2014     	180.190.154.45 	Substituted “Rey Obarco”  FOR  “Sherman Kiser”
8 April 2014     	203.87.199.198 	Substituted “Kalokohan”  FOR  “Membership/Sea Explorer.”  (“Kalokohan” is Tagalog for “foolishness.”)
29 January 2014  	121.54.13.50   	Inserted “22,714,891” as BSP membership count.
4 December 2013  	122.3.5.43     	Vandalised Senior Scout Code to produce gibberish:
the Scouttrutr Oath antrud Lartutw tuand rtuthe
Seniurtutor Scout mourtutto and slogan.
I will urturube fartrumtruriliar with thrturturue Constitution
of the Phurilitururururppines especially my
ururights and obligations as a Filipino
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I will hgjkyugiulhui share in my responsibilities to
my houtruyrtume, scrtururhool, fytchurch, neighborhood,
community and cohrruntry.
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I wurill durumen in the spirit of the Scout
rur
I wrill rwork to preserve our ur.
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I will do everyrruhing in my rowrer to
passru a ubetterrPhilippines touru urther nrut
12 October 2013  	49.144.227.81  	Inserted “J_H_ AA_ON S_SO_ MA_A_A”
6 October 2013   	120.28.127.250 	Inserted “Tang Ina.”  (“Tang Ina” is shortening for unprintable common curse “putang ina,” literally meaning “whore mother.”)
19 September 2013	107.213.90.23  	Substituted “Tiger Scout,” “Cub Scout,” “Webelo Scout”  FOR  “Young Usa” “Growing Usa” and “Leaping Usa” respectively.
19 September 2013	107.213.90.23  	Inserted “Cookie” and “Piez.”
5 September 2013 	176.202.37.96  	Inserted “2013, a new scouting will be held in PISQ”
3 September 2013 	180.194.30.200 	Inserted “.....:)”
29 August 2013   	121.97.68.60   	False info: Substituted “Justin Marcos Andrada”  FOR  “Wendel E. Avisado” as BSP Secretary.
29 August 2013   	121.97.68.60   	False info: Substituted “Justin Marcos Andrada”  FOR  “Jejomar Binay” as Vice President of the Philippines.
29 August 2013   	121.97.68.60   	Substituted “Tenderfeet”  FOR  “Tenderfoot.”  Inserted “rich” in Scout Law.
29 August 2013   	121.97.68.60   	Inserted “Mayaman” in Scout Law.  (“Mayaman” is Tagalog for “rich.”)
29 July 2013     	112.204.210.75 	Vandalised Scout Oath to read:
:to do my duty to God and my country,“the Philippines”
:to help other people at all times “at any place”
:to keep myself physically strong,“healthy and Fit”
27 May 2013      	121.54.22.125  	Substituted “Young DUHA,” “Growing DUHA,” “Leaping DUHA,”  FOR  “Young Usa,” “Growing Usa,” and “Leaping Usa” respectively.
26 February 2013 	121.97.26.20   	Added “pervert” in Scout Law.
15 February 2013 	121.54.49.11   	Added “hugawan” to Scout Law.
23 November 2012 	125.60.231.179 	Substituted “Alliance in motion”  FOR  “Sherman Kiser.”
26 October 2012  	112.205.206.127	Deleted Senior Scouting ranks.
15 October 2012  	180.194.245.219	Inserted “anak ko!” in Senior Scout Code.  (“Anak ko!” is Tagalog for “my child!”)
12 September 2012	112.205.89.156 	Inserted “LAGUNERO SCOUTS”
12 September 2012	112.205.89.156 	Inserted “Tae Scouts”  (“Tae” is unprintable Tagalog for “feces,” equivalent of English “shit.”)
4 September 2012 	110.55.4.61    	Inserted “pota ina.”
3 July 2012      	120.28.150.142 	False info: Substituted “Explorer,” “Pathfinder,” “Tenderfoot,” “Second Class,” and “Boy Scouting is for boys 7 to 12 years of age”  FOR  “Second Class,” “First Class,” “Explorer,” “Pathfinder,” and “Boy Scouting is for boys 10 to 12 years of age” respectively.
16 February 2012 	112.202.74.141 	Substituted “Bryan Pintor”  FOR  “George J. Fischer.”
23 January 2012  	180.190.138.236	Substituted “a bully”  FOR  “Trustworthy.”
23 January 2012  	180.190.138.236	Substituted “to do my duty to chona”  FOR    “to do my duty to God.”
23 January 2012  	180.190.138.236	Substituted “door man,” “ship master,” and “eggol”  FOR  “Outdoorsman,” “Venturer or Air Venturer or Sea Venturer,” and “Eagle” respectively.
1 January 2012   	216.226.72.195 	Deleted entire Scout Oath and substituted:  “to all of the boys scouts in the world greetings from russian crew nordic hawk a happy new year from th buttom of my heart...and i wish you have a good life and good health...god bless us all!”
23 September 2011	180.191.103.144	Inserted “Fuck”
23 September 2011	180.191.103.144	Inserted “dfsadasfaafsafa”
15 September 2011	199.68.199.138 	Inserted “Jakolero” and “horny.”  (“Jakolero” is Tagalog slang for “masturbator.”)
15 September 2011	112.210.202.212	Inserted “craig” three times.
15 September 2011	112.210.202.212	Deleted entire Scout Oath, and substituted “pogi si cjl,” “gwapo si cjl,” and “cjl is handsome.”
1 August 2011    	125.60.248.144 	Deleted entire Scout Law, and substituted: “KAB scout law A Kab scout follows his elders A Kab scout helps his kawan A kab scout makes himself useful”
10 July 2011     	112.204.25.182 	Substituted “n.y or new york”  FOR  “New York.”
8 July 2011      	112.201.185.220	Deleted entire Senior Scout Code, and substituted: “i wont do my duty good!!!”
3 July 2011      	180.191.114.151	Added “Bold text” to Section title “The Scout Law (English)”
22 June 2011     	121.54.54.37   	Deleted section title: “Ang Panunumpa sa Scout (Tagalog)”
31 January 2011  	122.3.161.214  	Inserted “Pogi si Baden-Powell”
3 December 2010  	124.105.123.186	False info: inserted “Anita C. Alivio” as BSP Chief Scout.
3 December 2010  	124.105.123.186	Substituted “Laging Gutom”  FOR  Scout Motto “Laging Handa.”  (“Laging Gutom” is Tagalog for “always hungry.”)
25 November 2010 	203.87.178.22  	In section Philippine Council-BSA, inserted: “lord stephenson smyth baden powell was the founder of boy scouting,therefore he should be reminisced.understand?”
8 November 2010  	121.54.97.222  	Under section The 5 Sections of BSP, added: “?????????????????????????????????????”.
21 October 2010  	58.69.211.143  	Substituted “Jose Rizal”  FOR  “Jose Rizal Pangilinan” as BSP Secretary.
18 October 2010  	112.201.86.14  	Under section Scout Oath and Law, inserted: “baho utot imo lola” (meaning: “Your grandmother’s fart smells bad”).
10 July 2010     	121.1.53.2     	Substituted “trainee,” “private,” “Second troop,” and “First troops”  FOR  “Membership,” “Tenderfoot,” “Second Class,” and “First Class” respectively.
18 October 2008  	119.94.111.100 	Inserted “Malibog” under Scout Law.  (“Malibog” is Tagalog for “libidinous.”)
1 February 2007  	203.87.190.238 	Cleared entire page, and substituted “ang boy scouts ay cute yun lang”
Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 07:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: This article needs protection

message: There should be a section on these.John S. Wilson (1959), Scouting Round the World. First edition, Blandford Press. p. 251--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:52, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippine Jamborees 

message: The Boy Scouts of America organization was founded in 1910, when William Boyce and two others filed papers of its incorporation. Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 05:12, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong information

message: In 1975, I started investigating the history of the Scout Movement, local and global. I have not been able to pass on to anyone the fruits of 45 years of study. I attempted to do just this through Wikipedia. However, although a few have survived, most of my articles were muddled or removed by Kintetsubuffalo, an American who believes that everything written about Scouting in Wikipedia must get his approval first.
The Scout Movement in the Philippines was started in Manila in 1910 by Elwood Stanley Brown. Except for the late Sir Rogelio Vicencio, nobody agrees with me on this. Virtually everyone is fixated on Zamboanga, 1914, Sherman Leo Kiser.
Many Americans exerted effort and made personal sacrifices to bring Scouting to the youth of the Philippines. Except for Sherman Kiser and Josephus Stevenot, none of them have been acknowledged or even remembered. It was my hope that credit be given to whom it is due. But no one is interested in the forgotten history of Scouting in the Philippines.
In 2015, I started pushing for acknowledging Cesar Javier with a Lifetime Achievement Award, he being the last living member of the Boy Scouts of America Philippine Islands Council and still active in Scouting. In 2018, he was conferred the award. I was satisfied. (I would have been very happy to be there to see him receive it, but I was not invited.)
Many other outstanding personalities in history have been forgotten:
* Elwood Stanley Brown, Mark Thompson, and George H. Mummert – the first Scoutmasters in the Philippines. (Brown was acknowledged by no less than Lord Baden-Powell himself.)
* Antonio Torres, Domingo Ponce, and Francisco Varona – the first Filipino leaders.
* Paul Doltz – started Scouting at Silliman University in 1921.
* Philip Durkee Carman who so generously took time off his business to serve as Founding President of the BSA Philippine Islands Council. He was killed by Japanese bombardment at the University of Santo Tomas and is buried at the American Cemetery.
* Irving S. Hart – founder of the leper Boy Scouts and Camp Fire Girls at San Lazaro Hospital.
* So many others whose stories will die with me.
In 1911, Theodore Roosevelt made an example of “boy scouts of the Philippines” to the entire Boy Scouts of America in the BSA Boy Scout Handbook, first edition. I discovered this in 1975. In 2001, this was made known to the Boy Scouts of the Philippines, through collaboration with Sir Nixon Canlapan, who allowed the publication of Roosevelt’s letter in the book On My Honor which I compiled, wrote, and edited by Sir Nixon’s direction. But the implications of Roosevelt’s letter for our history seems not to have registered with anyone.
I’m 60 now. At this point in time, it appears that my discoveries and knowledge of the forgotten history of Philippine Scouting will die with me.
Samuel Salter Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 02:10, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia works on sources. If you have proper sources for what you have discovered, you can add the material to articles. We would welcome it. But it needs sources that we can read. --Bduke (talk) 03:10, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Forgotten history