Talk:Ranganathaswamy Temple, Srirangam

message: It is proposed that the articles for various temples named Sri Ranganathaswamy Temple (with various spellings be merged into this article. If at a later time enough material is avaiable to justify separate articles, they may be reforked.  --BostonMA 04:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Proposal 

message: From Guide du voyageur à St. Pétersbourg, etc by Jean BASTIN (1867)
"Tavernier avoue cependant que ce diamant fut gâté en le coupant, tandis que l'histoire du Koh-i-Noor remonte pour le moins au temps de Baber, et que Bernier decrit l'enorme diamant comme ayant ete trouve a Golconde a l'epoque du Shah Jehaun. En outre le diamant Orloff laisse voir a un oeil exerce, une legere nuance d'un jaune vadatre, tandis que le Koh-i-Noor est sans couleur. Voici selon nous la plus authenque de toutes les histoires qui concernent ce diamant. Celui-ce formait autrefois l'oeil d'une idole dans un Temple de Seringham, pres de Trichinopoly, ville des Indes Orientales. Un soldat francais, renegat, s'introduisit dans ce Temple en qualite de domestique et saisit l'occasion de depouiller l'idole de son oeil precieux. Ayant gagné Malabar avec son riche butin, le soldat le vendit à un capitaine de vaisseau pour 2000 gùinées et un juif l'acquit de ce dernier pour 12,000 guinees (300,000 francs). Un marchand armenien, nomme Lazareff, l'acheta ensuit et celui-ci remporta le diamant a Amsterdam. Ce fut la que le nom d'Orloff s'associa a celui du splendide joyau, car le fameux Comte en fit l'aquisition et le deposa aux pieds de sa Souveraine. Il l'avait paye, dit-on, 450,000 roubles(1800000 francs), avait donne une rente viagere de 2000 roubles et promis des letters de noblesse. Un autre recit fait de ce diamant une partie des depouillles de Nadir-Shah, et l'ornement qu'il prit sur le throne de l'Empereur Mogul, et le grenadier francais de la tradition s'echappa avec ce tresor d'apres ce recit, a la mort de ce Monarque. Ceci, cependant, n'est evidemment qu'un echo de l'histoire authentic d'Achemet-Shah et du Koh-i-Noor et nous croyons a la verite du dernier recit que nous venons de donner. Les joaillers anglais appellent ce diamant,, Effingham. Cette denomination est probablement une corruption traditionelle du mot Seringham."
Translation (using Google Translate): "Tavernier admits, however, that this diamond was spoiled by cutting it, while the history of Koh-i-Noor goes back at least to the time of Baber, and that Bernier describes the enormous diamond as having been found at Golconde at the time from Shah Jehaun. In addition, the Orloff(Orlov) diamond shows an eye exercised, a slight shade of a vadatre yellow, while the Koh-i-Noor is colourless. Here, in our opinion, is the most authentic of all the stories concerning this diamond. This formerly formed the eye of an idol in a Temple of Seringham, near Trichinopoly, the city of the East Indies. A French soldier, Renegat, introduced himself into this Temple as a servant and seized the opportunity to strip the idol of his precious eye. Having won Malabar with his rich booty(meaning: valuable stolen goods, especially those seized in war), the soldier sold him to a captain for 2,000 guineas and a Jew bought him for 12,000 guineas (300,000 francs). An Armenian merchant, named Lazareff, then bought him and he won the diamond in Amsterdam. It was there that the name of Orloff was associated with that of the splendid jewel, for the famous Count acquired it and deposited it at the feet of his Sovereign. He had paid it, it is said, 450,000 rubles (1800,000 francs), had given a life annuity of 2,000 rubles and promised letters of nobility. Another tale made of this diamond a part of Nadir-Shah's petals, and the ornament he took on the throne of Emperor Mogul, and the grenadius and the French grenadier of the tradition escaped with this treasure from this account, at the death of this Monarch. This, however, is obviously only an echo of the authentic story of Achemet-Shah and Koh-i-Noor and we believe in the truth of the last story we have just given. English jewellers call this diamond,, Effingham. This denomination is probably a traditional corruption of the word Seringham." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.216.83.162 (talk) 12:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orlov diamond of Lord Sree Ranganathaswamy 

message: SS, thank you so much for your contributions to this article.  You refer to the Ranganathaswami Temple complex as:
:The largest temple complex in India, SRIRANGAM, 
I can easily believe that.  However, on Wikipedia, we need to support such claims with Verifiable Sources.  Do you know of a published document that states that Srirangam is the largest?  If so, please let us know, otherwise, the claim may be deleted.  --BostonMA 18:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest Temple Complex 

message: Dear SS, welcome to Wikipedia.  I see that you deleted several paragraphs in the article.  Is there something in them that you find objectionable?  It is usually considered desirable for Wikipedia articles to have introductions to their topic before proceeding to discussion of topics that may not be understood by all who read, for example those from different cultures.  The paragraphs that you deleted served as such an introduction, describing basic facts about the temple.  Before you make major deletions in an article, it is a good idea to discuss them on the discussion/talk page for that article first.  --BostonMA 13:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: Hi, I just stopped by and felt it pertinent to make a few observations. AFAIK, and as pointed above, there is no relation between several temples. The most famous temple among these is undoubtedly the one in Srirangam and it is this temple that people typically recall when they hear the name "Ranganatha Swamy." The one located in Karnataka is also closely behind in terms of recognition. So, either we have a disambiguation page with different links or retain this for Srirangam temple with a disambiguation link at the top for the other two temples. I do not think it is a good idea to merge this with Srirangam because the temple, though an important part of the place, is just a part and only basic details about the temple need be given with a main article link to this article. Also, this article needs lot of copy editing as several words are typed in CAPS ;) which makes it difficult to read the article and nor is it considered proper netiquette. Some peacock terms need to be removed as well. Good to see a well-developed article. --Gurubrahma 16:12, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Thank you for stopping by.  With regard to splitting the article into a number of articles, we could do that.  The reason why I set it up this way is because there a number of stubs, all with different spellings, i.e. Ranganathaswami, Ranganatha Swami, Ranganatha Swamy, sometimes with Sri, sometimes with temple others with Temple etc.  So I decided to collect these and put the various spellings as redirects.  However, not all of the temples that were referenced actually referred to the SriRangam temple.  That is why there are multiple temples referenced in this article.  Perhaps the solution would be Sri Ranganathaswamy Temple (Srirangam) and Sri Ranganathaswamy Temple (Nellore) etc. and have a disambiguation page.  I need to run actually, so I cannot do anything at the momement, but please leave your thoughts. --BostonMA 16:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The best thing to do would be to click "what links here" and see if majority are linked to the context of one particular temple. Then the temple with majority would be retained at the current name with "Ranganathaswamy Temple (disambiguation)" as the disambiguation page. If, in the alternate scenario, the links are distributed equally between several temples or if the differences between the links are (statistically) insignificant, "Ranganathaswamy Temple" should be a disambig page and "Sri Ranganathaswamy Temple (Srirangam)" etc. would be the names of pages. If "What links here" is of not much help, a google test should be helpful. I too am running right now. I will drop in later. --Gurubrahma 03:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a disambiguation page, however, I have not created stub articles for the other Temples.  I also have not disambiguated the existing links.  --BostonMA 03:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few observations 

message: Dear GuruBrahma
Thanks for your suggestions.
All i said was - the relevance of SRIRANGAM to RENGANATHASWAMY temple here was greater than the RENGANATHA temples in SRIRANGAM and that of Srirangavatna.
I agree with you, Renganatha shrine in Srirangapatna is famous, but when one is thinking of SRIRANGAM, what strikes one is only the temple.
As a resident of Srirangam, i would like to inform that every development of economy and for that matter of fact in any other field, happened only over the last 10-15 years. I mean, the temple is and always was, the LIFELINE of SRIRANGAM.
Therefore, I strongly request the two be merged and further developments incorporated.
Suggestions welcome and thankyou again. SS 16:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your concerns well, since, incidentally, I lived for a couple of years in Trichy and felt myself lucky to be near three great temples - Ranganatha, Rockfort and Brihadeeswaralaya in Tanjore. However, what I've proposed is in accordance with the things done in Wikipedia and follows its policies and procedures. If someone is searching for the temple, why take him to an article about the place? If someone is searching for the place, and then wants info about the temple he can anyway get the basic info from the article and click on to the temple article if he feels that he needs more info. --Gurubrahma 16:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, sure, I believe User:BostonMA is working on the same. btw, pls. do not use CAPS in between a sentence like this. It isn't considered to be netiquette unless it is an acronym. TIA, --Gurubrahma 09:04, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion! 

message: I have moved the Nellore temple to its own article.  However, there are a number of Sri Ranganathaswami Temples that are referenced in Wikipedia, but there is almost no content for them yet.
* Koodli
* Raichur
* Viluppuram
* Shivanasamudram
* Srirangapatna
I don't know what to do with these yet.  --BostonMA 01:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links with no content yet 

message: The current article states:
: The temple occupies an area of 2.5 square km (156 acres (6,31,000 Sqm) with a perimeter of 1,116 Km or 10,710 feet) making it the largest temple complex in the world.
I am a bit concerned by these claims.
* The area is given as both 2.5 square km and 6,31,000 square meters.  However 2.5 square km is  25,00,000 square meters I believe, so these areas are not consistant
* Similarly the perimeter is given as both 10,710 feet and 1.116 Km.  However, 10,710 feet I believe is 3.26 Km.
* I am not sure if any of the claims are including the whole island as part of the Temple Complex.  I believe that only the area enclosed by the outer wall ought to be.  I know someone who lives on the island, but outside the outer temple wall.  I would not include his apartment or neighboring apartments as part of the Temple Complex, it is just a residential area.
* The claim is made, for example at  that Angkor Wat is the largest Temple complex, and gives it dimensions as 850 m by 1000 m.  This would give Angkor Wat an area of 8,50,000 square meters, and a perimeter of 3.7 Km I believe. 
Because the true situation is not clear to me, I think it would be very important to provide a verifiable source for the claim that Srirangam has the largest temple complex in the world.  If we cannot find such a source, I think a more modest claim should be used.  --BostonMA 13:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: SS, thank you for your research.  Regarding the claim about being the largest temple, I propose that the article state that it is the largest Hindu temple, (Although Angkor Wat was once a Hindu temple, and hence someone could still argue the point).  Sincerely, BostonMA 14:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest Temple or Temple Complex claim 

message: This image from flickr should be good enough -srini 05:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Picture request 

message: The term mythology, inherently assumes that whatever mentioned is a myth and is derogatory in the sense that it is questions the authenticity of the content. It is advisable that the section be renamed to some other suitable title such as 'Puranic References', and the content be rewritten accordingly, so as to preserve the sanctity of the content.
Moreover, it is an offense to use the term 'mythology' while refering to pastimes related to Visnu. Jbarot 20:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mythology 

message: As requested by User:Ssriram mt, this is an informal review of the article taking Wikipedia:Good article criteria (IMO first GA status should be aimed before the leap to FA status).
Problems:
* References:
** Inconsistent formatting: use , . Also make two sections: Notes and References as in Ganesha (WP:CITESHORT).
** Missing Info: Every ref should have at least the following fields: author, title, publisher, year, page numbers, isbn (if book).
* Small 1 line paras as well as sections like Vimanam are discouraged (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout). Merge them together to form larger sections
** For Architecture: I suggest the following sub-sections: Mandapas, Gopurams, Shrines and other features (vinaman et al). The "The Temple" overlaps with Architeture and needs to be merged in that section
** Festivals should 1 section. No need of sub-sections
* The suffix "Lord" needs to go. As per WP:HONORIFIC, we don't use honorifics.
* WP:OVERLINKing: Link an article only once in the article at first instance.
* There are paras without references. They need references.
--Redtigerxyz  Talk  05:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: 12 Alwars also Mentioned Tiru Aranganathan.Not Sri Ranganathan.After Non Tamil kings Ruled Tamilnadu they changed All Tamil Tiru into SRI.There is No words in Tamil Litereture Sri.Even Tirupati called Tiru Not Sripati.Tirumalai too Tirumala.not Srimala.Could anybody clarify where can i find Sri word in Nalayira divya prabantham or Tirupavai and Tiruvenbavai.see even vainava Literature started in Tamilnadu.Vaishanava bhakti literature was an all-India phenomenon, which started in the 6th-7th century A.D. in the Tamil-speaking region of South India, with twelve Alvar (one immersed in God) saint-poets, who wrote devotional songs.  The religion of Alvar poets, which included a woman peot, Andal, was devotion to God through love (bhakti), and in the ecstasy of such devotions they sang hundreds of songs which embodied both depth of feeling and felicity of expressions(Indian literature(Official Website of Govt of India).okay unfortunalty today the place name is Srirangam.may i know what is the reason and why the orginal name not given more important  in this article?Eshwar.om (talk) 21:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody is hiding any secrets and infact there is no secret here. I have mentioned in my edit, probably you did not notice. The reference you had given for the word 'Tiru Aranganathan', 1 and 2, I did not find that word in the link but it was tiruvarangam, so the links cannot meet the verifiability policy. It is good that you have brought it to talk page. ShriRamTalk tome 11:22, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  May I know the Reason for Hiding  secret  of original  Tamil name of this Temple? 

message: Hello,
The picture titled "Hall of 1000 pillars with sculptures of riding horses" is actually the Sesharaya Mandapam (or sesha mandap). Please correct it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sankatmadhavan (talk • contribs) 07:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the "Halls" 

message: I can't see that any connection whatsover is even asserted between the temple and this diamond. Just zap it? Johnbod (talk) 03:30, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep! I just moved it down there, per WP:AGF, that we may be able to find some link. Nothing yet. I support zapping it. We have two persistent problems with South Asian art space articles... amazing OR plus misidentified images (some are way off, wrong temple, wrong city even!). Thanks for the help with these comments, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:17, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. I'll move the "legend" to the article on the diamond just in case. Johnbod (talk) 04:19, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Orlov Diamond]] (last section) 

message: Goddess related to only one temple. Redtigerxyz  Talk  11:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. I don't see how the worship of the goddess is tied exclusively to the temple. She is venerated as a goddess and an aspect of Lakshmi by Vaishnavas throughout Tamil Nadu, and deserves an article for her own. If the Ranganathaswamy Temple does not have any enough content on the goddess, that is a different matter altogether. Chronikhiles (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Closing, given the uncontested objection with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 11:41, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Ranganayaki]] into [[Ranganathaswamy Temple, Srirangam]]