Talk:King O'Malley

message: Adam's edit has now turned this article into a propaganda diatribe against O'Malley. It needs to be extensively re-written. --14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that the quote is not really from O'Malley? If it is a fabricated quote, that would be bad. On the other hand, if it is a genuine quote, does it really matter if it appeared in some other publication? --172.191.147.67 13:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that the user plagiarized material, then edit-warred over its inclusion. He did this on a number of other articles as well. It is never correct to copy material without attribution; doing is an "intellectual crime". And as is pointed out below, LaRouche sources are not trustworthy. -Will Beback 21:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you the same bloke that got into trouble over the biographies of Australian MPs? --172.192.95.235 17:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The article says "It is unlikely that "King O'Malley" was his real name" without any real basis.  If his mother's maiden name was Mary King, it is in fact quite likely that "King" was a given name.  It might not have been the only one, of course.  One obvious possibility was that he was a William Jr. who when by his second given name.
It also claims "information concerning his background is suspect as neither his name nor those of his parents occur in the United States Census at any time prior to his emigration."
It is extremely rare to see such a ludicrous claim that someone does not appear in a census.  Sure, you might not find the exact spelling "O'Malley, King" in some transcribed index of the censuses, but that doesn't mean he doesn't appear in the census, and it doesn't even mean that couldn't actually appear in the census with that exact name.  Furthermore, there are not all-person indexes of most of the censuses.  Gene Nygaard 01:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gene, Arthur Hoyle spends his first chapter of "King O'Malley - the American Bounder" examining his name and birthplace.  I think the basis for the claim that he made up his name is well made in the Hoyle book.  Thus I will remove your first dubious alert.  But I have no view on the census claim. Maustrauser 01:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a direct quote from the book to that effect, then.  It certainly is plausible to me that "King" could have been a given name, but I haven't read the book.  Gene Nygaard 02:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Removed dubious sentences as unsourced and original research. – S. Rich (talk) 21:49, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious statements

message: The artical has much important information missing such as his life in Texas and there is also incorrect or missing names and out of sequence history. It even got the name of a state wrong.
I will do a rewrite as soon as I can. I will be using a University textbook as a source so will only be able to name the book in references. Wayne 04:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added the book and edited up to arrival in Gawler. Reading it after saving I can see why it was not in the original, it sounds crazy. But history is history and it is documented. Will look at doing more later. Wayne 15:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite needed

message: The Parliament's official record of members chooses 4 July 1858, as does the Australian Dictionary of Biography's article.  The latter says that date was "on his own testimony", but it's clear he stated different dates and different years at different times, so his own testimony is worth nothing much.  
We should at least note that sources differ as to whether he was born in 1854 or 1858.  The most honest sources are not categorical about either date, and neither should WP be.--  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of birth: 1854 or 1858?

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message: Clearly it is undefined specifically where O'Malley was born. It is not in question that it was in North America. However, whether it was in Quebec, Province of Canada; Kansas Territory, United States; or somewhere else is still to be known.  
In some American media outlets, O'Malley claimed that he missed the American Presidency by 30 feet (another one states 500 feet), implying that he was born in the Canada, 30, or 500, feet from the United States border. 
O'Malley can certainly may have a claim to be both American and Canadian, whilst being a British subject, at least while he was an MP in Australia:
*Born in Canada (British territory), raised in the United States, before coming to Australia in adulthood.
*Born and raised in the United States (Independent territory), claiming to have been born in Canada, before coming to Australia in adulthood.
That O'Malley would pursue a political career in Australia and not the United States, if having no legitimacy to a position in the former, appears to be a peculiar count.
:User:MarioBayo academic biographies (refer the Arthur Hoyle and Rowan Henderson sources used in the article) state that O'Malley's claims of Canadian birth were false. It is not appropriate to accept his claims at face value when they have been disproven. Ditto for his date of birth. All of this is already covered in detail in the article. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 15:04, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace