Talk:Upper middle class

message: I removed all information on the British class structure EXCEPT that which pertained to the British upper middle class.  The rest of it can be found in Social structure of Britain, the article from which I assume it was copied. Dylan Stafne (talk) 22:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed British info as irrelevant

message: Seeing it as the last discussion on this page stopped on December 17, 2006, I have archived all discussion. Regards, SignaturebrendelHAPPY HOLIDAYS 21:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving

message: Please see my edit comments on removal of the extremely poor and misleading UK section. Another point of note being the bizarre assertion of a distinction between the definition of upper middle class in England as opposed to the rest of the UK. 
In contrast with the term "upper class" one is left clutching at straws to identify any reasonable difference between the UK or US definitions of the "upper middle" class distinction. Clearly the US and UK upper middle classes behave differently, but this is a difference of national culture and does not imply a difference in the way the middle class is defined. Having read the main body of the article and aside from the odd American idiosyncracy, I don't see why a separate definition for the UK is needed as the main section covers the UK understanding of upper middle class perfectly adequately. --JamesTheNumberless 17:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not en expert on the British class system but only on the American one. But the paragraph you removed was complete OR (or at least it was unreferenced w/ no in-line citations). Unreferenced information is always subject to deletion. WP policy is very simple- just tell us what your sources tell you. In my opinion you edit helps improve this article. BTW: According to Gilbert's class model (currently seems to be most widely used one by sociology textbooks) Fraiser and Niles may actually be upper class. It is possible for some professionals to break into the upper class (Fraiser is a celebrity and Niles widely re-known in the field) if they distinguish themselves from the vast majority of professionals and assume the responsibilities and rewards of the upper class. Signaturebrendel 20:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That's opinion. How do you define class standing? Just prestige? Any sources stating that vacationing in Hawaii would lower your personal prestige? Sorry but that's OR. FYI: How sad, Hawaii truly is a gorgeous tropical paradise (though I think most Europeans go to Thailand or the Carabean for their tropical experiences). Signaturebrendel 17:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK 

message: I believe this article makes a calculation error in its application of the 15% figure. If 15% of the population is in the upper middle class, then surely (common-sensically) there are some members of society who would fall into the "upper class" designation and have incomes higher than those in the upper middle class. However, the article uses the income threshold for the TOP 15% of the population as the income threshold for being in the upper middle class. This figure is clearly too high. The 15% of the population who are members of this stratum must surely fall somewhere on the right-hand side of the bell curve, but not the farthest right possible.69.228.197.129 22:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The UMC is not limited to the top 15% of earners. Some with lower incomes may still be UMC by vitrue of occupation and educational attainment. And, yes, the UC does contitute about 1% of the population (at least according to the models that state the UMC to be 15% of pop). Signaturebrendel 01:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in calculation of income thresholds 

message: The education and ideology is not properly cited nor argued.  Correlation is not causation.  It is documented that the higher one's education level, the higher the chance that one is "liberal".  
This does not mean that education causes liberality (in the American political sense, anyway). 
It is equally valid, based on the study, to say that "liberal" people often seek out education or are more inclined to make advanced education a priority.    
The sentence in the article argues that as one becomes more educated, one becomes more liberal: again, this is true in a the broader political theory sense--i.e. we are all liberals for exercising free speech on wikipedia, but may not be "liberal" in the American sense.  
I don't have the time, but the sentence needs to be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theboondocksaint (talk • contribs) 14:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education and Ideology 

message: Having got three quarters of the way through, I realised that this wasn't really talking about the British (or English) upper middles. I'm not in any way a snob, but this seems to be describing the middle classes. This seems to be written from the point of view of a lower middle class person who assumes that the middle classes are upper-middle. A true upper-middle class person, for example, would never, ever live in a suburb or live in the home counties, one is educated in the home counties, one does not live there.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.157.223.114 (talk) 12:17, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Upper-Middle Class 

message: aren't both subcultures somewhat the epitome of upper middle class? since both match very much with the values that are mentioned on this article. 178.190.46.180 (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  yuppie / hipster 

message: So the lead starts out "defining" a class, hiding behind Weber, a German sociologist, then discusses the peculiarities of US and the British Isles societies only.
If there can't be a common article for these two countries, maybe there shouldn't even have a page like this, only a {disamb} article.
Or maybe I'm just naïve for thinking that Wikipedia is the World's encyclopedia. I've tagged it accordingly.
AccidentRecorder (talk) 18:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrow world view - See [[WP:BIAS]] 

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message: Can this be updated to a more recent version? 2006 was 15 years ago. Dumaka (talk) 02:34, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Income statistics 

message: Hello, I think the definition of this should be widened. Atm it is too focused on the U.S. and U.K.
* Can we find parameters that are common (Focus  on education is probably a good one, income/household income probably not). Need a reference though.
*In what way are the values of a person of upper middle class in India, Burma or Vietnam different from those e.g in the U.S? - Income levels vary, so we can't take income as a parameter. 
*Can a correlation between education and political orientation be found? - if so, needs a source
Eptalon (talk) 10:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Widening the definition...