Talk:International Boxing Hall of Fame

message: The order of names should be chronological as to the year they were entered into the hall of fame or in alphbetical order. There seems to be no discernable order to the names at all so it's difficult to get any idea of the years groups were entered or find names on the list.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.160.103 (talk) 03:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of Names

message: Does the James J. Walker in the Non-participants section refer to NYC Mayor Jimmy Walker, or a boxer named James J. Walker who is a redlink in a couple of places? Since it says "non-participant" I'd guess the mayor, but this is a boxing topic, so who knows?  MCB 23:34, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, the the IBHOF web site makes it clear it's Jimmy Walker, so I fixed the link. MCB 23:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  James J. Walker 

message: When was the Hall started? -Freekee 17:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing date? 

message: I noticed 71.204.73.37 made an odd and incorrect edit on National Soccer Hall of Fame and then checked the contributions, which included this article. Just so it's clear Manny Pacquiao has not been inducted into the Hall of Fame (see: Hall of Fame awaits Manny). ~ Fopam (talk) 03:47, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manny Pacquiao 

message: I'm not sure that eliminating nicknames is wise here,, since many of these individuals were primarily known by their boxing nicknames — it's a bit like eliminating stage names from a list of actors. Lindenfall (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a difference between a stage name and a nickname. I'm not suggesting that Sugar Ray Robinson be labeled as "Walker Smith" here. Boxers are often known by names other than their given names. Those names were retained in my edits. However, I'm not sure how it adds any clarity to label these inductees as, say "Carmine 'Carmen' Basilio." He's universally known in boxing circles as Carmen Basilio, so it's appropriate to use that name here. And since Basilio was also known as "The Upstate Onion Farmer," why wasn't that included? Many boxers have numerous nicknames. Furthermore, some of these nicknames are inaccurate. For instance, Jake Lamotta was known as the Bronx Bull, not the Raging Bull. Michael Spinks is generally referred to as Michael Spinks, not "Michael 'Jinx' Spinks." My removal of the nicknames was meant to return those names to what these boxers are generally known as, which is also what they are classified as in Wikipedia. The other way seemed unnecessarily confusing. Furthermore, the Hall of Fame itself follows the naming convention that I'm advocating for: http://www.ibhof.com/pages/about/inductees/modern.html. So that's why I made the edits that I did. I'm happy to discuss this further if you'd like.20:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd thought that related history, located both in and outside of Wikipedia, may be lost to the reader who knows the boxer by only one name, or the other, hence I had added both proper names, and some nicknames, last year, typically piping their most commonly known name. Jake Lamotta would be a case in point, actually, as he has been known to you and I as The Bronx Bull, but became more known to many as Raging Bull, due to the film of the same name. (I don't support removing legal names of individuals, to which nicknames and stage names may be added. The HoF's policy seems immaterial to WP.) Lindenfall (talk) 22:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, this is a list of inductees to IBHOF, so the hall's policy seems quite material. This is how IBHOF has inducted them, so that carries some weight with me. We're not writing a biography of the boxers here. I agree 100% that a boxer's nickname(s) and full legal names should be included in their Wikipedia biography. But it seems to me that including all that stuff clutters up the IBHOF page and, far from clarifying things, makes it more confusing. Not to mention there doing so will lead to a significant amount of editorial discretion, as the "Raging Bull" nickname instance points out and as can be seen in any choice about which nickname for a boxer will be included. IT seems far simpler to me to just list them by their most well-known name, which will almost always be the name you see listed on the IBHOF website. MKil (talk) 17:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professional nicknames are stage names 

message: Added citations for induction of women boxers and also for canceled induction ceremonies in 2020 and 2021.
Sienwhy227 (talk) 15:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor edits