Talk:Underbelly series 1

message: Not showing in Victoria anymore, the judge ruled it to be harmful to the Lewis Moran murder trial. Front page of today's mX newspaper.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.165.134 (talk) 05:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But it would be airing at 8:30 in say, Sydney? Be interesting to see if this one makes the torrents. Comradeash (talk) 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, it's made the torrents already - download it and see it anyway! :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.184.75.223 (talk) 22:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "But the suppression order was issued in Geelong, surely it doesn't apply to civilized society!" 211.28.220.254 (talk) 22:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Victoria

message: age.com.au
Underbelly breaks laws on child sex
SELMA MILOVANOVIC April 16, 2010
CHANNEL Nine broke child pornography laws with its ratings winner Underbelly as a sex scene in the show's new series featured an under-age character, legal experts say.
But a quirk in the law means the station could use the defence of classification that covers any work that passed the censors.
In the first episode of Underbelly: The Golden Mile, Kings Cross identity John Ibrahim (played by Firass Dirani) has sex in a school stairwell with former schoolmate Michelle (Rebecca Slade).
While both Dirani and Slade are in their 20s, the show features repeated references by other characters that the character of Ibrahim is under-age.
Under New South Wales and Victorian child pornography laws - which cover the production, dissemination and possession of such material - child pornography is defined as material that depicts or describes or appears to depict or describe a child engaged in sexual activity or a child depicted in a sexual context.
Jeremy Gans, associate professor at Melbourne University's law school, said despite no overt mention of Ibrahim's age, other character's references to him being under-age were enough to conclude the character was a minor.
One character refers to Ibrahim as under-age, while a voice-over says he wasn't old enough to buy a beer in his own nightclub.
Professor Gans said the NSW law would apply for the offence of production. Anyone found disseminating or in possession of the episode would also be liable under both states' laws. It would fall within the definition of child pornography, but there is a broad defence of classification, Professor Gans said.
Underbelly was classified M by Nine's in-house censors. The defence of classification applies to all works unless they are refused classification.
Professor Gans said while the show clearly broke the law, prosecution would be unlikely. It's all about assessments of merit and how the community would be affected. In this case, there is no doubt there is sexual context, but some would argue few people would have an issue with 17-year-olds shown having sex.
Joe Tucci, chief executive of the Australian Childhood Foundation, said showing schoolchildren having sex was not only illegal but also wrong.
I think it's gratuitous, he said.
The first episode of the show, on Channel Nine on Sunday, attracted more than 2.2 million viewers - the highest rating TV debut of the year. Channel Nine did not return calls.
118.90.92.145 (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Underbelly Breaks Child Porn laws in Australia 

message: Could someone please write up about how episodes 4 to 9 have been leaked onto the internet.  Here are some links: 
http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/02/28/Underbelly_episodes_leaked_onto_internet
http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23285426-5014239,00.html
Clofts (talk) 21:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! Hope it helps. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 11:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool.. thank you :) Clofts (talk) 02:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Help

message: There are two separate sections with this title in the article. They should be consolidated into one. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried talking to the other user who contributed the info, but he/she didn't reply. Most of it is the same, though the info I added has a source, courtesy of one of the above users. So yeah, we should merge them. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 13:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so before you attack my editing, I wanted to let you know I edited badly on purpose. Now it will be much easier to merge, though some of the info has no sources. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 13:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 03:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illegal distribution 

message: I don't know if anyone noticed it, but in Episode 6 where Benji met Lola, the casino band is playing an instrumental version of Star War's Imperial March. The only time I have seen something like that is when a skill tester machine started playing the Cantina Music by Figrid Dan and the Modal Nodes. >.< Geekiness pops up everywhere... --59.167.104.158 (talk) 12:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Star Wars? 

message: I changed the reference to La Porchetta to La Porchella; I assume the reference is supposed to be to the restaurant on Rathdowne Street where Veniamin was shot, which was La Porchella (and not part of the popular La Porchetta chain).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cinephobia (talk • contribs) 07:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it back. The ref says La Porchetta, so I'll just go with that. Sorry. Corn.u.co.pia ♥ Disc.us.sion 03:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then the link is obviously wrong. You shouldn't change it back to the incorrect name. (Huey45 (talk) 07:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Porchella / La Porchetta 

message: I added full details of the rest of the cast, with the edit reverted by Bidgee. I realise these actors are not part of channel 9's specified main cast, but several of them are very notable actors in their own right. I see no reason why Kym Gyngell, Madeleine West and Alex Dimitriades - amongst others - should not be included in the cast details. In addition some of the characters play a fairly significant role in the Underbelly series and this is another reason for their inclusion. If your issue is with a lack of citations I do not believe this is a reason for deletion, as the citations can easily be sourced and added at a later date. Ashman05 (talk) 06:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you could add a supporting cast subheading, and put the info there; but we really need citations. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 06:05, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: and lets have the list of the production team as well? There needs to be a limit on what can be added. Maybe they can be added within the article but not as a list. What makes them (Kym Gyngell, Madeleine West and Alex Dimitriades) notable? Most people other then those who watched programs that were on other programs may know them and also unsourced. Also what makes you think that they play "significant" roles?. Bidgee (talk) 06:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's an entire episode that virtually revolves around Dimitriades' character. Plus he kills at least four people, so I'd say he's a fairly significant character. --BrianFG (talk) 06:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I agree that the characters should be added, but not in the table and with citations. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 07:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As BrianFG said, Dimitriades' character is central to a lot of the story including one episode where he is the primary character. I would argue that the only reason he isn't in channel 9's list is because of the Supreme Court ruling about his character's name. He has played more of a role than several 'main characters'.  Ashman05 (talk) 08:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

text: 1 episode out of 13 doesn't mean it's notable and if he isn't on Nine's list doesn't mean it's due to the 'Supreme Court ruling'. Sources are needed to prove this not point of views! Bidgee (talk) 08:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That cast list on Nine's site is an odd one, especially as it has Lliam Amor listed as part of the "main cast" even though he's in it for five minutes and Madeleine West isn't even listed even though she gets as much screen time as Simon Westaway. Also, Kevin Harrington isn't included. Surely his character (Lewis Moran) was notable! Now the DVD is out, is there a better source of a "Main Cast" list? --BrianFG (talk) 03:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just redid the cast list using the listing on Australian Television Information Archive as the one on the "official site" is clearly incomplete. As I noted above, Harrington isn't even listed there and I've since discovered that Robert Mammone as Tony Mokbel wasn't there either. The ATIA listing is more complete so I've used that as the basis for the list here. --BrianFG (talk) 21:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast details 

message: Are you sure there is going to be a season two. I know that they said it on the logies but are you sure that was not just a joke. Trimy67 (talk) 02:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I found an appropriate reference. Corn.u.co.pia ♥ Disc.us.sion 07:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 2 

message: I think this page needs a cast picture. I would gladly add one, but there are quite a few, and I don't know which one to add. Any suggestions? Corn.u.co.pia ♥ Disc.us.sion 07:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast picture 

message: The discussion page on the episode list page is blocked so I'll mention this here. Has there been any suggestions or attempts to expand the plot summaries for each ep? The ones that are there are perfunctory at best and some of them aren't even correct. I'd do it but I don't want to waste my time if it's going to be reverted or deleted. --BrianFG (talk) 02:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do it. I haven't seen the series, and I can promise I won't revert them. I have edited the page and have made it look nicer, but what it really needs is new summaries. Please go ahead. Corn.u.co.pia ♥ Disc.us.sion 03:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've rewritten all the summaries to give a better overview of each episode and to also make them different than the "cut-and-paste from the official site" look they had before. I'm sure there's some scope for additional info there, but I've made a start. --BrianFG (talk) 21:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode list 

message: The following was added (27 June 2010) without reference to any sources:
circa 21 June 2010: "The Nine Network ... announced a telemovie trilogy known as The Underbelly Files which will continue on in light of the Underbelly frachise. The 3 telemovies Tell Them Lucifer Was Here, Infiltration & The Man Who Got Away are currently in production."
I've quickly added the following citation, but this part of the article could do with a tidy up:
* 21 June 2010 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/underbelly-takes-on-cop-killers/story-e6frf96f-1225882016055
Other citations to consider include:
# http://www.throng.com.au/underbelly-files-tell-them-lucifer-was-here/production-commences-first-underbelly-telemovie
# http://www.mediaspy.org/report/2010/06/21/nine-begins-production-on-underbelly-files/
--wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 13:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Underbelly Files trilogy announced  

message: Okay, we really need citations for the production section. I have looked, but I can't find any. Please people, have a look and see if you can find some. Thanks - Corn.u.co.pia ♥ Disc.us.sion 03:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production 

message: There have recently been several changes to the Organised Crime categories without any consensus for the change.  This has apparently been initiated by one editor's decision to nominate an existing category for deletion.
Instead of simply reverting edits and becoming embroiled in an edit war, I encourage all interested parties to comment at The Cat for deletion page.
Cheers,  This flag once was red  22:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the heads up. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 03:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Organized (sic) Crime

message: Can I ask why it was thought necessary to cut some of the synopsis? I can understand if it needed to be tightened, but now it doesn't quite explain some nuances of the plot. BrianFG (talk) 08:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While the synopsis was great before, it was a bit too long for this page. Ideally, each episode would have its own page and plot section, but they probably aren't notable enough. If there are some unclear sections, please feel free to clarify them, but the section doesn't really need to be that detailed, i.e. listing every event that takes place. Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 06:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis 

message: Underbelly (TV series) is the first of three seasons described in Underbelly (series). That's very confusing... wouldn't it be better to rename this article as Underbelly (2008) or Underbelly (season one)? I realise the two later series had different names, but that doesn't solve the confusion between this article and the overall parent. Grutness...wha? 09:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 7 years later, I brought this up again. — Wyliepedia 08:59, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing titles... 

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