Talk:Train/Archive 1

message: Friends, I require some information on the subject, "The various processes involved in making railway-wagons". Could somebody please add a few pages on this matter in wikipedia or direct me to a webpage which provides some information on the same? I shall be really thankful to you. Please reply on this webpage or at raj_softnet@sify.com or rushtomeaakash@yahoo.co.in — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.177.155.27 (talk) 06:14, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I've put that in Level crossing. - Patrick 23:33 Apr 17, 2003 (UTC)
I've re-written the introduction to include a few links and ideas.  I'm not entirely satisfied with it, however.  See what you think.  Leo Okonski — Preceding undated comment added 06:56, 26 February 2004 (UTC)

text: List rationalised. Most of the incidents were on the rail accidents pages. I have left the Great Train Robbery, as this was not an accident.ALECTRIC451 22:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Early Comments

message: *1963 The Great Train Robbery of 1963 (not related to the films below)
(?)  some of these should perhaps go into a list of rail accidents
: List rationalised. Most of the incidents were on the rail accidents pages. I have left the Great Train Robbery, as this was not an accident.ALECTRIC451 22:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Train incidents in history

message: Does anyone know when the first passenger trains began in the United States and their routes? I'm trying to find when the first passenger trains etnered Oregon, USA.
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.124.92.254 (talk) 17:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  passenger trains? 

message: I made a correction to the page - it was stated that India was particularly noted for the use of high-speed rail for passenger transport. India is well known for passenger railways, but those trains are not in the same domain as Japanese Shinkansen or French TGV trains. See the high speed rail page for more clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.9.32.23 (talk) 13:12, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  High speed rail in India? 

message: What is needed to make an article a featured article? Trainbuff 18:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a rather simple if time consuming task.  First, review Wikipedia:What is a featured article and compare the standards listed there with your candidate article.  Usually this will involve expanding the text of the article and finding several more references, preferably several of them in printed materials.  If you haven't taken an article through the FA process yet, it's recommended that the candidate article go through Wikipedia:Peer review for further improvement and suggestions.  Once the PR objections are taken care of, list it on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates and monitor the discussion there for further objections to be addressed.  Most articles will still have some suggestions during the candidacy period.  If there are enough support votes after a week or so, it will be promoted by the FA coordinator.  If an article is not promoted, take some time to work on the objections and suggestions then come back to FAC when they are addressed.  Lather, rinse, repeat. Slambo (Speak) 14:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements

message: Moved here from the article:
:NOTE:  Does anyone know enough to write a section about the train system as it historically operated during its heyday in the U.S.??  (Before the dismantling trend started... when every town seemed to be linked by rail, before the National Highway Defense Act of 1956 provided a means to replace nearly all mass transit with motorized highway alternatives....) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.181.195.29 (talk • contribs) 
Does anyone know when the train was INVENTED?
-K — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.115.21 (talk) 22:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See History of rail transport. Slambo (Speak) 15:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  question 

message: Please can we move this list to another page and link to it.  It has some relevance to this article, but there are enough to warrant a separate page and some text to link to it.ALECTRIC451 23:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This section could be merged into Famous trains... Slambo (Speak) 11:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Train Routes

message: Please can we move this list to another page and link to it.  It has some relevance to this article, but there are enough to warrant a separate page and some text to link to it.--ALECTRIC451 23:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about merging the info here with what's already on Rail transport in fiction, then just moving the two See also links from this section into the main article's See also section? Slambo (Speak) 11:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional Trains

message: Is it me or is there a  large gap between the title "Motive Power" and the beginning of that section. I have looked at it, but my lack of editing knowledge fails me and i can't change it.
Mrjingjing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.82.26 (talk) 16:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motive Power 

message: Came across a random page Local trains which seemed unnecessary, and probably duplicates info here.  Didn't want to simply tag it for deletion if it's someone's project. I'll leave it to you guys to sort out. Gwinva 13:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so, try somethhing like Regional rail instead. Pickle 18:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to me to be a pointless stub easily mergeable.--Lisa666 10:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: When were they invented? By whom? 66.68.208.245 21:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They weren't "invented". It was more of an evolution of technology such as wagons, steam engines and guided rails.  The origins can be traced to the mining industry and the need to move wagons of ore/coal/minerals out of the mine to the surface. Canterberry 09:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above is the complex answer (and the real one!) but a simple one would be Stephenson's Rocket. Pickle 17:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  when were they invented?  

message: This article has been rated as a 'vital article' in the 2006 CD selection. (See banner at top of page.)
As such, the article should really be pushed towards Good Article (GA) status, at the very least.
EdJogg 14:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi EdJogg! I see at least one reason not to call it a GA: Either it is not edited to fit W3C standards, or there is a real stupid link bug. See discussion section Talk:Train#edit_links_mixed_up. -- Greets JoernMa 00:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Towards GA Status 

message: Does anyone know what those little manual hand pump 'machines' are called?  I've seen them in lots of movies, they are wooden and have two hanles on each side where two people "pump" it to make it move on a railway.--208.100.234.250 (talk) 06:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a handcar. Slambo (Speak) 11:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see Draisine. Jahoe (talk) 19:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: hand pump trains

message: I don't think the gallery section adds much to the article at all, and I'd support removing it. Anyone else? — Byeitical (talk · contribs) 00:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gallery section

message: Certainly replace the Class 153 image with a class far more suitable and modern, e.g. a Class 390. There are only 70 units of Class 153 operating in the whole of the UK anyway. 82.108.4.254 (talk) 09:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  If you do keep the gallery section. 

message: I believe that there should be more representations of United States railroad operations in the images in this article. Currently, the only one is of a BNSF freight.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by YamahaFreak (talk • contribs) 02:50 26-Jun-2009
:Neither are there pictures of trains from South America, Africa, Australia, the Middle East or China.
:The pictures chosen should be the best for illustrating the text in question. The range of countries represented here is actually rather good. Since the US is more than well-represented when considering railway-related articles as a whole, I'm not sure that adding more than one extra US photo is justified here, and certainly not just because its a US photo!
:EdJogg (talk) 11:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. Under-represented in Images 

message: :(Cue scenes of young (British) school children going "Uerrrr"! and giggling helplessly...)
I know I just did a minor edit in the 'Bogies' section, but does it really belong in the article? We are dealing with trains here, not rolling stock, and it looks out-of-order and out-of-place.
EdJogg (talk) 11:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the above is a silly statement. A railroad train always consists of rolling stock, and you cannot have a train without rolling stock. On the subject of rolling stock, this includes box cars, flat cars, locomotives, passenger cars, hopper cars, tank cars, cabooses, and any other kind of railroad car that you can think of. Nearly all of these have bogies upon which their wheels and axles are mounted. Some locomotives might not have bogies.98.81.15.87 (talk) 23:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogies! 

message: There are about 103 refs on the Russian wiki, but the sites that they link to are in (oh my...) Russian! Should I find English ones, or are those acceptable for transfer
Buggie111 (talk) 01:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Foreign-language references should only be used in exceptional cases, for example, describing 'foreign' topics where no English equivalent exists. Good luck searching for English references! -- EdJogg (talk) 12:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

text: November, 2019 is Asia month. Paptilian (talk) 13:23, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone here at Trains speak Russia? Translator needed.Paptilian (talk) 13:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian refs 

message: Go to wikapidia then tipe Trains in then press enter
Love Jemma  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.138.143 (talk) 08:34, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  train project 

message: Perhaps that garden trains can be mentioned. See http://www.avforums.com/forums/general-chat/486644-where-can-you-buy-kids-ride-train-garden.html , http://www.maxitrak.co.uk/ , http://www.rideonrailways.co.uk/products/index.html
91.182.175.107 (talk) 08:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For a page on this topic, one could turn to Live Steam.  NorthCoastReader (talk) 04:15, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Garden trains

message: Someone might add a paragraph explaining where engines and cars are manufactured (talk) 17:16, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where Are Trains Manufactured? 

message: Hello! Should a subarticle or a section in the main article be added for runaway trains? It does happen on occasion, and a wikipedia article explaining the hows and whys would be useful in situations like the Lac-Mégantic derailment.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Legacy (talk • contribs) 03:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A runaway train article already exists. Jahoe (talk) 20:00, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please look at the dates. The thread that you are replying to is from July 2013; the article was not created . On that matter, with  you replied to a thread from over seven years earlier. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:05, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Runaway trains 

message: I think a link to the Wikipedia Track gauge article should be added at the end of this article (or someplace else, i.e. in some subarticle, e.g. Bogies), but I would like to know what  other contributors think about this. English is not my native language and, as this link was not present here, as I expected, only Google helped me find the correct term (track gauge) after typing "rail track width").
Mike abc (talk) 14:10, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track gauge 

message: Can following line be added ? (for reference, see the solar train in New South Wales):
Some electric trains are solar powered and thus foreseen with PV panels and batteries, thus not requiring an overhead line or third rail electric system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genetics4good (talk • contribs) 14:08, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Solar trains

message: Train defined by Rail, Dress, Education, Train (disambiguation). Some changes to this article are being considered. Editors interested in cleaning up Category:Rail transport and sub-categories which this article falls under, please respond here, specifically about changes to this article which are being considered for a move to Train (rail transport). Paptilian (talk) 15:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This page requires Category:Rail transport, Category:Locomotive (steam), Category:Locomotive, Category:Rail car, Category:Trainset, and surely, others.Paptilian (talk) 16:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please file a requested move in order to request a move for this page. I have restored the original page title for now as it may be too drastic for such a popular page, and no one else has had the chance to respond in less than an hour after you opened this section. epicgenius (talk) 17:09, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I will request the move as you suggest. Paptilian (talk) 17:17, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

text: I saw the post here before the move, but couldn't understand a word of it. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:Summary style appears to be what Train article needs. Anyone care to comment?Paptilian (talk) 13:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

text: thanksPaptilian (talk) 20:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Train ambiguation 

message: There should be a history of trains section in this article in my opinion. I came from the web looking for the history and it wasn't there. Adamilo (talk) 19:28, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of trains 

message: I hate dealing with ENGVAR, but in this article we do have a problem. There is a mix of American English (railroad over railway, cars over wagons) and British English terms (specialised over specialized, Dieselisation over Dieselization) throughout, and we need to decide on one or the other and stick with it per MOS. Do we go for American or British English? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:33, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this is a rare instance where, because of the international scope of the subject, an article should provide both US and UK terminology. My professional railway engineering experience in Australia leads me to think the US terms should be listed first because US technology is now more widely spread throughout the world than UK's. However, there isn't a strict dichotomy, since seemingly American terms can be in British usage, such as "restaurant car" or "sleeping car". As to whether AMENG or BRENG should otherwise apply to the whole article, I don't have any preference. But the article is in need of a thorough copy-edit and resolving this question first would help.  –  Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 08:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Barring a consensus otherwise, I will begin a rewrite using American English, as that is what I am familiar with. I concur that both UK and US terminology should be mentioned, but for spelling I will be going with AMENG for the time being. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  ENGVAR 

message: As this is a high level and very important article, watched by and viewed by many people, I'd like to get some input from other editors on how this article can be improved, with the ultimate goal of becoming a good article. I have some ideas, and I've made a few changes already, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of others.
My initial comments are:
*We should have a history section. Only a few paragraphs, just enough to give an overview of the history of trains. There is a dedicated article for a deeper dive.
*I changed the bogies section to a subsection, with the top level header renamed "components". I'm not 100% sold on that really being needed at all, do other editors think we should discuss the components of trains on this article?
*The passenger section is super long, perhaps things like maglev and monorails should get their own section, maybe something like "non-traditional trains"?
*Is there anything significant missing currently that needs to be added? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The current plan is to nominate for FA in early 2022. Of course, the article must pass GA first. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:51, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article rewrite 

message: Continuing from the GAN, if we don't want to write  when there hasn't been an explicit scientific study on it recently, perhaps we could instead say . The Sociology of Women book by Sara Delamont looks to me like an excellent high-quality reference.  talk 18:45, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is a reasonable way to word that sentence. I'd support it being changed accordingly. I did a fair bit of digging to figure out if any good reliable sources existed on the subject, and the book by Sara Delamont was easily the best reference I found. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good; edited.  talk 20:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toy trains gender 

message: Remove- This article is considered of top importance for a global project is a global article and has terms used in mutliple variations of english so having a single english template is a bad idea. My proposal is to remove the template I want to make sure people agree so I put this discussion up for 1 week before i remove the template, I will not remove it if there is a conseus to keep the template. NotOrrio (talk) 00:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave it alone. You just can't stop bugging me, can you? I rewrote this entire article from the ground up in November 2021. I sought consensus to set the ENGVAR to American English before doing so, and there were no objections. Nobody has objected other than yourself, including through the GAN process. The article has the American English template, but covers other terminology as well. I don't understand the complaint at all. Rail Transport has ENGVAR set to Oxford English, are you going to object to that as well? Or is it just because I've heavily edited this particular article and you don't like me? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:29, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not bugging you the article Trains is a popular article on the main space I just wanted to the see the article it self nothing to do with you but since you are so pissed about this I am more than happy to withdraw my nominations as I don't care much about a language banner NotOrrio (talk) 02:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh so it's just a freak coincidence that you always show up at articles I've heavily edited and take issue with my editing? I don't buy it. Stop following me around and trying to bother me by disrupting things I've worked on. This is hounding and you can be blocked for it. You can see above there has been previous discussion about ENGVAR, but you ignored that because you just wanted to come in and take issue with the fact that I wrote this in American English. I have been avoiding anything you've been editing, why can't you do the same? It's really not that hard. Go edit your bus drafts or something. Unless you have a genuine interest in improving this article beyond annoying me, stop bothering me. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

text: I think there may be a misunderstanding here. The  template merely ensures that the article uses a consistent variant of English; it does not imply that only American English can be used. The template was added by Trainsandotherthings, who has written much of the content in this article. When he asked about this issue last year, no one specifically objected to the addition of this template. Someone did raise a concern that both US and UK terminology should be used, but this is addressed adequately in the article.In any case, the template should be kept per MOS:RETAIN, which says:  The topic of trains does not have a strong national tie. Furthermore, I'm not seeing any instances in which the usage of American English creates ambiguity in this article. – Epicgenius (talk) 19:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

text: I see no reason for the template to be removed or replaced. Like Epicgenius said, the English variant used has little impact on the article's clarity or ambiguity. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 02:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to remove the american english template