Talk:State of Origin series

message: I still can't find any information to fill this section.  Perhaps someone living in Australia with access to old newspapers can do something here???  Otherwise i'll look into it when I'm back in the country this December.
:I might peruse my Rugby League Weeks, time permitting, see what turns up.  -- Paul 16:11, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  How the State of Origin Became a Regular Event 

message: I don't really like the State of Origin, Rugby League name for this article. How about Rugby League State of Origin?  Grinner 13:46, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
I'm agreeable.  I don't know how to change it tho, and what happens to the pages i've linked this from?
:It's very easy, you just use the Move button at the top of the screen (next to History). A redirect is automatically created, so you won't have to update all the pages that link here. I'll wait another day before making the move. Grinner 10:53, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Yes. I agree also. Make it: Rugby League State of Origin. 110.142.232.71 (talk) 07:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Page name

message: The selection rules, as explained in the article, raise a few questions. For instance, how was Adrian Lam, as a Papuan, eligible to play for Queensland. Didn't he later play for PNG? Grant65 (Talk) 13:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He actually had played for PNG before representing QLD. Not sure what the actual justification was for this, but since Super League players weren't considered for selection at the time, it was all hands on deck. Of course, he had played in QLD first, but there's supposed to be a rule, which I assume was in place then, ineligible for Australia = ineligible for SOO. There's been some other messing about as well e.g. Tonie Carroll & Craig Smith playing for NZ, Lote Tuqiri for Fiji etc. --Paul 17:25, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Eligibility question

message: I don't like this sentence...
The then president of the Victorian Football League, Dr Alan Aylett, later tried to convince the then chairman of the Queensland Rugby League, Ron Mcauliffe of the concept's merits.
Every indication I have from my research has suggested the role of Aylet in convincing Mcauliffe had no more bearing ont the result than the involvement of Hugh Lunn and the former bronco's cheif.
Furthermore, to sugest that Aylet 'tried to convince' Mcauliffe implies that Aylet was pushing Mcauliffe to start an RL SOO series... which is completely ludicrous. Why would an AFL cheif be so interested in a rugby league game?  Aylet's contribution came when Mcauliffe specifically asked him for advice on how to improve the QRL.
Even if we forget a little thing like 'the facts' the sentence is very badly worded.
:I haven't written anything in this article about it yet, but in one of Jack Gallaway's books it does mention the conversations between Aylett and McAuliffe, and also says that it was Aylett that invited the Senator over to WA to see the origin game. I will introduce this when I have time.--dan, dan and dan 19:46, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aylet Convincing Mcauliffe 

message: Yes Paul, when I first started writing here, I added series statistics that included 1980 and 1981 as series.  I was not aware these years were not full series.  Can we move past this now or are you going to continue to bring this up in every argument?
:I might say while Dan continues to include them as if they were series, it's an isssue, but I can't be bothered any more. --Paul 17:20, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I suggested re-including that information, useless as it is (Number of Years With Name On Shield, haha), in order to prevent the Series tallies being misreprented all the time, but I've come to realise it's futile. --Paul 17:20, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to include "Number of Years With Name On Shield", because you will find that 1999 and 2002 are engraved with "Queendsland win" :-) --dan, dan and dan 20:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes I'm the culprate 

message: You're all a bunch of sore losers so you go and blame the ARL.  It's not our fault you didn't take 1987 seriously.  Stop vandalising this article.  I'm ready for a editing war if you don't remove your footnote! NSWelshman 00:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article includes the 1987 game, and says that it is officially counted. The footnote only says that some sources don't count it officially. This is the last time that I will respond to people wishing to make changes without providing sources. The Wikipedia policies are very clear on using information that is sourced.--dan, dan and dan 06:31, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typical Queenslanders 

message: NSWelshman, why did you vandalise this article by changing the colour of 1987 to Blue!  Qld won the 1987 series.  This is undisputed and I guarantee you, No source anywhere suggests it's a NSW win or held series.
Typical New South Welshman! Jebus Christ 09:32, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  TYPICAL NEW SOUTH WELSHMAN

message: Here is further proof that the exhibition match is disputed. Disputing it is none other than Ken Arthurson. Case closed.
 Courier Mail, Edition 1 - First with the news 
 WED 16 JUL 2003, Page 001 
 Origin battle rages on and off the field 
 By: Barry Dick    
WHO would have thought it -- former ARL chairman Ken Arthurson has come to the defence of the  Maroons. 
While the Australian Rugby League and Blues say the Origin series score is 33-33, Queensland  says it's 33-32 because an exhibition match 16 years ago in the US did not officially count.
However, the ARL yesterday officially decreed the ``Mickey Mouse game in Long Beach,   California, on August 6, 1987, was to be classed as a legitimate match.
NSW won the game 30-18 after Queensland had won the series 2-1 
ARL chief executive Geoff Carr yesterday ``confirmed NSW and Queensland were ``locked on 33 wins each heading into tonight's third match of the 2003 series at Suncorp Stadium.
``There had been some debate over whether the Origin fixture . . . in 1987 was counted as an official match but a search of ARL records has confirmed the status conferred on that clash by the game's governing body at the time, Carr said.
``In announcing the match in Big League in April 1987, Ken Arthurson was quoted as saying:  `It's an exciting experiment but the match isn't and won't be billed as an exhibition match'.''
But Arthurson, who was blamed for dudding Queenslanders out of Test selection during his reign, yesterday backed the Maroons: ``There is absolutely no doubt in my mind it was an exhibition game and should not count towards official match scores.''
Wayne Bennett, who coached the 1987 Queensland team, said that in his coaching career of more than 20 years he had never been ``softer on a team than he was on the Maroons in Los Angeles. 
--dan, dan and dan 04:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: confirmed the status conferred on that clash by the game's governing body at the time So it's always been an official match (obviously it has). Wasn't somebody making up something up about it suddenly becoming official, some years later April 1987, Ken Arthurson was quoted as saying:  `It's an exciting experiment but the match isn't and won't be billed as an exhibition match  So it's status was known even before it was played. You're mistaking opinion for fact, it's always been an official match, and has always counted in the records.So thanks for clearing that up so conclusively, i've made the appropiate changes --Paul 06:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Paul you have not acted in good faith as your last revision has taken out 1980/81 without sources. Furthmore, 1987 was already included in our stats here at Wikipedia as official, there was a footnote saying it was disputed, which it is. The source above disputes the canonicity, not refutes. I can only assume that your changes are vandalism, as they are contrary to sources, and they will be treated as such henceforth.--dan, dan and dan 06:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: taken out 1980/81 Wrong - 80,81 and 87 were there, but as usual you ignore anything I write, and as usual dont address any specific points I make. The ARL, NSWRL, and QRL all consider 80, 81 and 87 as the same as the other 74 games, in what language is that a dispute?  Why you think any other sources have any authority in the matter is beyond me. the source above disputes the canonicity, not refutes Then why are "asterisking" the games won tallies? Either its all good (as in fact it is), or someone *is* refuting - these people are merely expressing an ill-informed opinion, and have no say in the matter. changes are vandalism You may remember, I made the table to start with, it's my work that was defaced and continues to be so.--Paul 13:29, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Ken Arhturson later expressed a different opinion.--dan, dan and dan 05:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proof exhibition match is disputed 

message: On page 61 of today's Courier-Mail, this page (and some of its debate) is featured in the article Writing History by Asterisk.--dan, dan and dan 22:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Very Cool.  Unfortunately, I can't get the courier mail here in dublin.  Is there any chance you could give us the gist and the context in which we've been referenced? Factoid Killer 03:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page in the Courier-Mail 

message: I know its been mentioned before, but why for example is there reference to the "Steve Mortimer lead Blues" and yet Wally Lewis is not mentioned even once??
There should be virtually a seperate paragraph on Wally's impact on the Series and his place in its lore --195.171.131.151 11:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wally Lewis 

message: This has probably been discussed and put to rest, but I really do think that this page should be at State of Origin with links to AFL and English version at the top. "State of Origin" in google brings up no AFL (or English for that matter) in the first page of searches unless you count the Wiki/about article. Seriously, when anyone refers to State of Origin it almost always means the RL series, and its dubious that the English games are really known as State of Origin, as the proper name is actually the War of the Roses, the SOO name was probably applied by people when spoken of in comparison to the Australian version. I don't know, it's just annoying that the current State or Origin page is a disambiguation sort of mess, and the fact that Rugby League State of Origin is not the proper name. Hmmm, I will probably get owned for this, but I thought I might see what other people think... Cvene64 12:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The SoO page is about the concept itself, which was not developed or first implemented in rugby league. I can assure you that it is a very well-known concept in Aussie rules circles, and was extremely popular with AFL fans when the very best players took part. Its decline — IMHO enginereed by a few club coaches and administrators — still rankles with many people. What is the problem in people having to make one extra click to this page, from SoO? Grant65 | Talk 12:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[State of Origin]] page

message: According to the ARL the two draws where Qld held the title ARE considered to be SERIES WINS!
http://www.australianrugbyleague.com.au/index.cgi?det=1&intArticleID=357&sID=21
This article states that in 2006 Qld has WON the series for the first time since 2002!  I have adjusted the stats accordingly. 194.46.238.124 23:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series Wins 

message: Well that's according to the ARL!
http://www.australianrugbyleague.com.au/index.cgi?det=1&intArticleID=357&sID=21
NSWelshman
The series in 1999 & 2002 were both Drawn 1-1.  Source listed above is a dead link.  Here is a link to the correct data:
http://stats.rleague.com/rl/soo/soo_idx.html
:All you need to do is watch the reactions of the players on the field at full-time in those drawn deciders: identical to what you'd expect for a win (complete with hugs, speeches and shield raising), and nothing like what you see after a drawn club game. So do you really think the Blues players would be bothered that the drawn series are shaded maroon?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 09:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A draw IS as good as a WIN to the team reataining the title 

message: I think it should be mentioned that State of Origin matches are very high-rating sports events in New Zealand also and following in Papua New Guinea is fanatical.  It may well be PNG's most popular sports event.--Jeff79 05:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity in The Region (not just Australia) 

message: The Shield is mentioned a few times in the article.  But no real details are given about it.  Is there still a shield? Does it have a particular name? Would be handy to include some details on this page perhaps.--Jeff79 02:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is 'a' Shield, probably the first one, although given that Bert didn't play until 1982, presumably it was created some time after the fact. I took this photo at the League of Legends exhibition, alas the lighting was very poor, so the photo isn't of much use. But feel free to use it.
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sooshieldap8.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.210.213 (talk) 08:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Shield 

message: When and by whom was this tagline first used? And can we find the right place to put it into the article? I think it should be mentioned as it reflects a great deal of what State of Origin is all about.--Jeff79 02:19, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  State against state, mate against mate 

message: I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere in wikipedia (correct me if I am wrong) but there is what appears to be a widely known "conspiracy" in regards to why the third game is rarely 'dead rubber', and mostly a decider. Of course this is good for ratings/sponsers/viewers and promotes the possibility that an external force is behind the high rate of deciders. There is of course a thousand reasons for this being merely an unfounded conspiracy, but in the pursuit of objectivity shouldn't this be included in the article?
I only have one source (aside from unreliable forum entries) being http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200605/s1634515.htm which reports on a player acknowledging the possibility of a conspiracy. His case doesn't make this the best source (and is also ambiguous), but wondering if there were any other sources anyone knew of before maybe including it in the article. Drewhoo 14:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin Conspiracy 

message: While I think that the state location map is good, I don't think it should be it's own section. Perhaps it could be placed at the top of the article where the logo used to be?--Jeff79 (talk) 06:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How does that look? •Florrie•leave a note• 08:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  State location map 

message: hi folks - I removed the 'improve' tag from last august, because the article looks pretty good to me..... not to say it couldn't be improved, just that getting rid of an ugly tag hopefully helps! cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 01:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed tag 

message: 18 to 12 origin victories is hardly even let alone exceptionally even. What's the deal with that?
It wasn't long ago that that statement was true.  It's just old.  Feel free to remove it 89.100.101.40 (talk) 22:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement is correct, but the table is partially misleading. You'll find that the first two "series" were in fact exhibition matches, with NSW already having the series in the bag. Also some of those "victories" are actually draws. In terms of match totals it is extraordinarily even.--Jeff79 (talk) 22:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exceptionally even? 

message: Should it be mentioned about the very first 8 point try to be scored by NSW because a player on QLD kicked the try scorer in the head? Just asking if it's worth a mention. 114.77.223.5 (talk) 07:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You could put it in the article for the year of the series that it happened. If it was big news then it could go in this main article. LunarLander // talk // 00:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 8-point Try 

message: Should there be a place in the infobox for the winners of the Wally Lewis, Brad Fittler and Ron McAuliffe Medals because they are not aways stated on the pages.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerfanno1 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps something can be done about the infobox, but I encourage you or anyone with the information on these medal winners to add them to the articles as the infobox is meant to be a summary of an article. LunarLander // talk // 00:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They definitely should be mentioned somewhere in the articles. Eithr in the introductory paragraph or at the end of game 3. I'm not really sold on their includion in the infobox, but if it were done, only be the man of the series (what is now the Wally Lewis Medal)  should be included, and not the QLD and NSW men of the series (the fittler and McAulliffe medals).--Jeff79 (talk) 06:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Medal winners to series infobox 

message: The result of the 1988 series listed in the table is incorrect.  Queensland won 3-0, not New South Wales.  Please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_State_of_Origin_series http://www.nswrl.com.au/default.aspx?s=soo_history
The following lines (in order per table): 
|- style="background: #BBCCFF; color: #000000"
|1988 || New South Wales || 3 || 0 || 0
Should be changed to:
|- style="background: #b03060; color: #000000"
|1988 || Queensland || 3 || 0 || 0
Sabracad (talk) 13:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: This page is no longer protected. Subject to consensus, you should be able to edit it yourself. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 02:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 24 May 2012 

message: With the very high TV ratings State of Origin is getting (2012 Game 3 broke 4 million Australia wide), would it be a good idea to have a table or graph of the ratings for each game?
Roboh11 (talk) 01:51, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Such figures are really only ever meaningful when they are able to be compared with something else. HiLo48 (talk) 03:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Television ratings 

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message: It contains a large collection of "controversies", but almost nothing about what the rules actually are. The very first paragraph purports to tell me, but really doesn't. The two citations are next to useless. I want to know what the rules are. A clear summary of them should be right there in the article. HiLo48 (talk) 23:12, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Understand that this page is a continual tug-of-war to portray their side in the best possible light, dry facts are of secondary importance. Here's how it's put on the NRL site, even the actual rules are messy.
https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/documents/state-of-origin-eligibility-rules.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Local Potentate (talk • contribs) 23:53, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'll have a look. Yes, I'm a Victorian, interested in the competition, but without a welded-on allegiance. It's quite amusing watching editors behave like drunk supporters at games when editing the various Origin related articles. HiLo48 (talk) 00:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selection rules section is a mess 

message: Hi all,
I've just noticed that the men's Maroons have the usual XXXX advertising logo on the left shoulder of their jerseys replaced with their (purported) Queensland "postcode of origin". 
I initially thought this was a new thing for 2023 Origin, but it appears it was kicked off in 2022.
Opinions please: is this worth a mention in the article?
♪♫ <sings> Belconnen, ACT? - that's in Queensland! New Town, Tassie? - that's in Queensland! (and so on) </sings> ♫♪
Peter (not actually in Queensland)  4066 aka Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 12:08, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Postcodes on Queensland players' jerseys - worth a mention? 

message: A report into eligibility based on a player's birth state showed; "Of the 18 series that QLD has won, it had the greater percentage of non-State [born] players in its side on 14 of those occasions – revealing a 77.8% dependency. Of the 13 series that NSW has won, on five of those occasions, it had a higher percentage of non-State [born] players across the series – revealing a 38.5% dependency." 175.39.82.198 (talk) 06:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  This section appears to be a link to credit card site (possible spam?)