Talk:Peter Pan

message: Wouldn't the title be better as "Peter Pan (character)"? -Branddobbe 04:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so - if you just put character, people would think 'character'-what? Fictional character is more descriptive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mukino (talk • contribs) 16:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Appropriate tile - "literary" character as opposed to "lierature".  Page moved. — Blue。 15:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: "In some variations of the story and some spin-offs, Peter can also be quite nasty and selfish. In the Disney adaptation of the tale, Peter appears very judgmental and pompous (for example, he called the Lost Boys 'blockheads' and when the Darling children say that they should leave for home at once, he gets the wrong message and angrily assumes that they want to grow up)."
This seems to be interpretation--and rather subjective. Agree? Disagree? 71.111.220.191 (talk) 05:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV/Original Research? 

message: Please see Talk:Peter Pan (disambiguation) to discuss how the title "Peter Pan" is disambiguated. - JasonAQuest 19:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: I like the Peter Pan illustration at the top of the article, but I'm not sure it's appropriate to use in this context.  As a work of art apparently created for this article, it's the visual equivalent of original research.  Made-for-WP visuals are appropriate for illustrating objective information (e.g. maps, diagrams, topics where photos are too risque), but when it comes to illustrating a fictional character, it's tantamount to saying "This is what I think the character looks like," which is the submitter's opinion.  I'd be much more comfortable sticking to interpretations of the character previously published by others elsewhere. (Using the illustration in :Template:Peter_Pan is a different matter, and aside from the fact that it doesn't scale down as well I'd like, I think it's fine in that context.)  - JasonAQuest (talk) 17:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right.  I've swapped the illustration with one in the public domain from an early print of the novel.  It would be better if we had a more iconic colorful version, but at least this one is historical and not original research. There are a few more illustrations like this one in the book, maybe they can be used in other articles or elsewhere in this one. --Linda (talk) 04:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: The article doesn't take into account the work on Barrie and the du Maurier's in Captivated by Piers Dudgeon where he hypothesises (rightly in my opinion) that Peter Pan represented some of the darker aspects of Barrie himself. Originally Peter was the villain of the story, not the hero he has generally been treated as later, and this is stated in the article on Hook - but not here. Barrie may have transferred the copyright to Ormond St Children's Hospital out of guilt, not generosity. This article should at least include these points as theories.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermeswiki (talk • contribs) 15:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can provide citations for this analysis, please go ahead and add it. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 17:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personality 

message: Blues Traveler isn't even mentioned in the "culture" section? There's a reference to Peter Pan mythology on almost every Blues Traveler album (quite obvious on the album "Straight on Till Morning"). Shouldn't this be mentioned? I could provide a more complete list if necessary. --Buddy13 (talk) 03:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have some RS to reference in regards to this? Carl.bunderson (talk) 23:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's always this, a fansite that lists all the lyrics. I think that'd be sufficient to illustrate the major connections. --Buddy13 (talk) 02:16, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Any secondary sources? I just want to avoid listing the minutae of every pop culture reference to Peter Pan ever. Carl.bunderson (talk) 02:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better to have a source that describes the connections.  Without that, we'd be engaging in original research. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 04:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My point exactly. Carl.bunderson (talk) 06:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What, no Blues Traveler? 

message: All web references to the "dead children stories"  quote this Wikipedia article.  If the connection is to be included, a reference should be cited;  not original research.173.88.154.149 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 09:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does identify the author of this theory, but unfortunately it doesn't say where (presumably one of his books) he presented it. Still, it's not really OR, just info with a poor citation. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 13:24, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totenkindergeschichte 

message: It seems like Peter is usually considered the "hero" of the story, the good guy in contrast to Hook's villain role. Why is that? Isn't Pan evil and barbaric for cutting Hook's hand off? Perhaps the "personality" section should also mention that he is quite cruel. Web wonder (talk) 04:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That section already notes some of his less "heroic" attributes, though I suppose more could be added.  Whether he's the hero or villain is an interesting question, but would best be served by quoting sources since that's more a matter of opinion than fact. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  question 

message: The information in this article, The pain behind Peter Pan, from U.S. News might be of value to have in the history section, or in a separate origin section. It provides the family history from which the play of Peter Pan was derived, and from which Barrie originated his story, what happened to the family, etc. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/041108/8peter.htm
Natural (talk) 04:01, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: History of the origin of story leading to play of Peter Pan

message: I apologise for not being able to rectify the situation, I've never posted properly on Wikipedia before, but this Peter Pan page has being totally vandalised with some sort of "paedo pan" joke and has lost all credibility. Could somebody who set up or contributed to the page please fix it? Thank you so much.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.25.194 (talk) 20:01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The vandalism was reverted after two hours. You could do that by clicking "history" at the top of the article and finding the changes which introduced the bad text. After viewing the difference introduced by the edits, you can undo them. Johnuniq (talk) 23:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

text: To add on to the original-poster's suggestion to undo the vandalism, I think this page should be semi-protected due to the constant vandalism by various users, both registered and unregistered. I've had to revert several changes to correct the sheer amount of unhelpful edits these users create.
SirLagsalott (talk) 18:47, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total Vandalism 

message: There's a thoroughly unfounded statement in this article that the reason a woman has almost always been cast as Peter Pan in stage productions since the first one has something to do with a scarcity of child actors. This isn't true at all and is frankly kind of a silly conclusion based on no evidence whatsoever. The reason a woman is usually cast as Peter is that the character flies a number of times during the show for several minutes at a time and therefore must wear a harness of straps underneath his/her costume which can be attached to wires on the flying rig used to lift him/her off the ground, and that those straps are very uncomfortable for a male actor to wear. It's far less uncomfortable for a female to wear such a harness which concentrates the pressure of the actor's full weight you-can-imagine-where night after night during a long performance run. Actually it can prove difficult enough for a male actor that he will often be able to handle being suspended in such a way for only a few minutes at a time before not being able to deal with it any more. I performed in a production of JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR for years in which a similar harness was used, hidden under the loincloth of the actor playing Jesus, to suspend him from a hidden hook on the cross for a few minutes at the end of each show. This caused the actor to cramp up enough to be unable to appear in a curtain call, so the show was and still is staged without one. Perhaps someone could phrase this comment more succinctly and politely for this article and make the appropriate correction!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClarkSavageJr (talk • contribs) 12:02, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the statement is unfounded at all. There were few child actors at that time and there has always been a strong tradition in the theatre for actresses to play the role of young boys in stage plays with plenty of evidence to be found about this tradition. It has carried on in modern day pantos (in the UK at least), where the principal boy is usually often played by a woman e.g. Aladdin, Cinderella, and, yes, panto versions of Peter Pan. Your experience of performing in Jesus Christ Superstar, while interesting, is not really relevant here.--Stelmaris (talk) 14:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement is very well supported, by numerous sources. The adolescent boy who played John in the first production (Michael was played by a girl) was rigged in a harness for flying, so it wasn't because a boy couldn't do that.  Furthermore, the flying scenes in the play are actually quite short.  (Perhaps ClarkSavageJr is thinking of the Broadway musical adaptation, where flying was a big part of the spectacle?) The UK panto tradition of casting a woman as the Principle Boy was part of it, but it was mainly due to the reason for the panto tradition in the first place: they wouldn't be able to find a child actors capable of carrying the two lead roles, and child labor laws restricted the hours child actors could work.  Casting an adult to play Peter allowed them to cast adults for most of the other child roles and got them off the hook.  They cast a woman instead of a man for the same reason they cast women to play all but one of the Lost Boys (non-flying roles, I might add): they looked more "boyish" than men would.  -Jason A. Quest (talk) 17:59, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The "appearance" section here isn't specifically concerned with why Peter Pan was played by a woman in only the first production or in the past, it applies to the present also and I'm addressing that with my comment. I'm perfectly aware that boys, especially in fantasy-oriented and musical productions, were often played by young women at the time of the first production. But Peter Pan stage plays and musicals are still performed today, a hundred years later, and it's not solely because of "tradition" or a lack of available young actors that a young adult male is never cast nowadays. Though other stage versions of the story now exist, yes, I am referring to a degree to the Samuel French musical version which is what is most often performed now and what someone is likely to see if they "go see Peter Pan" at a theatre. I didn't suggest that it's impossible for any male to deal with wearing a harness, ever, either; the actors who play Michael and John in the show always wear them but their flying scene is very brief and their lines go only up and down, not side to side, so there's not as much resistance for them to deal with, and usually they ARE played by children. A younger, lighter boy can handle the harness better than an adult male but it's still far less of a problem for a female, especially night after night during a long-running production or tour. The harness may have been why Michael Jackson, obsessed with acting out the role in real-life, never even attempted the part of Peter Pan on stage. Nowadays also the idea that the part of Peter can be promoted as a star vehicle for a name female such as Cathy Rigby or Sandy Duncan is more the "tradition" than anything to do with British pantomime. And the fact that there are perhaps more young women interested in playing the part than, say, Justin Biebers out there who could handle it also affects casting of the role in addition to the business of the harness. Cathy Rigby has for years been producing the show with her own production company just so she could play the part -- no fair competition for male actors there! One cannot say that if an enterprising producer might decide to cast Justin in the role, and he subsequently were to quit after a short time because of the annoyance/difficulty of wearing the harness, that what I am talking about here is not a factor if not still the deciding factor in why virtually always adult women are still cast now that the "panto tradition" is no longer general knowledge (especially in America), as this male character. There is one adult male in a Broadway show that wears a harness and line now, and that is Spider-man. And it's no secret he's had no end of difficulty with his! At any rate I am commenting in relation to the practical present-day reality of casting the role of Peter Pan, not intending to specifically deal with history or especially romanticized history. If you're going to cast Peter Pan nowadays, star-casting concerns aside, you look at women for the part primarily because the harness is a pain in the neck for guys to wear, plain and simple. If the powers that be, who may or may not have the benefit of any real-life backstage experience (which is not always recorded in books and therefore can't be referenced in footnotes), choose not to find validity in what I am saying, so be it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.36.137.92 (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casting of female actors as Peter Pan 

message: After watching this film (Hook) a few nights ago, I'm sure Hook says, "FOR a 10 year old I'm huge", opposed to, "to a 10 year old I'm huge", suggesting that he is also 10 years old (as do many other things in this film, where he can be seen having childish tantrums etc), and is only seen as being bigger because he's the bully etc. I think it makes much more sense this way also, as Pan is clearly older than 10 in pretty much all of this film, so not sure if this quote can be used to justify any points about Pan's age...
Sorry if this isn't the correct procedure for suggestions, have never done this before.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.46.181 (talk) 18:44, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hook "to a 10 year old I'm huge" quote 

message: * Our substantial edits are primarily organizational and content revisions. 
* Before editing, Subject headings didn’t align with featured content and information was scattered as opposed to clear and concise. 
* we placed content irrelevant to popular culture in appropriate sections. 
* Refining the popular culture section resulted in the creation of an additional subject “artistic references”. 
* The popular culture section’s purpose is to list appearances and mentions of the Peter Pan character in media over the last fifty years.  
* Added a section centered around information on artistic works related to the character.
* Provided subsections for relationship section, which now has subsections of “Family”, “Friends”, and “Enemies”.
Xiaoxu193 (talk) 23:11, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Online Communities (final summary)

message: Someone keeps posting the picture of the little girl from London, Ontario but I deleted it because: the photo is primarily about the girl, not the statue; the statue itself is hardly visible in the shot; and it's out of place on this page. If you want to include a picture of that particular statue, by all means go ahead but please find a better one, do not post the same one again without first discussing, otherwise it will be removed again. Thanks. --Stelmaris (talk) 14:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture from London, Ontario 

message: one's a pan time there was a boy could peter   he didn't have brother or sister he was by himself
he lift in a wild forest . He saw a girl he told her  what is your name  said peter the girl said I don't know said the  girl well  said peter my name is peter.he told her do you have brothers or sister the she said no and I don't know my mother or my father my mom  brought me when I was 1 moth old. peter said I am the same I dot know my mother or father they brought me when I was 3 year old.at the end peter gift the girl a name her name was Elle so peter said you do have a mother and a father I can take you .And all so you have brothers and sister you have 2 brothers and 3 sisters....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.238.102 (talk) 06:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  peter pan story by angi viviana Murcia zuniga 

message: To IP 100.9.152.158: I have reverted your edits again, for the same reason I explained previously. You might not care about the original work, but WP does and this page is all about JM Barrie’s creative work, as he imagined it and wrote it. You might well believe they were natives of Neverland, but that’s not the point: that’s just your own personal POV. The term he originally used (“Redskins” – and not “rednecks”) is racist by today’s standards but there is no doubt it describes a tribe of Native Americans. Neverland is an imaginary island of course, and Barrie stresses everyone has their own view of it but in his play and novel, it is populated by all sorts of characters (pirates, fairies, Native Americans etc) and animals (lions, bears, crocodiles etc) and none of these are meant to be native to the island. Please do not change it back again, as it’s only going to get reverted. (P.S. I would also ask you please not to leave offensive remarks on my user page as this is not constructive…) Thanks. --Stelmaris (talk) 11:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep I agree with Stelmaris - that was the term used for Native Americans , not natives of Neverland. Richerman   (talk) 12:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native Americans vs Natives of Neverland 

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message: As far as I know, Peter can only fly when he has a shadow or something. That isn't mentioned in the Abilities section. --212.186.7.98 (talk) 15:17, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ability to fly 

message: Someone keeps making ungrammatical and inappropriate edits to this page, and keeps reverting edits to post the same rubbish. Could we protect this page for a short while to discourage the anonymous editor(s)? Thanks--Stelmaris (talk) 11:33, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection 

message: The "In Popular Culture" section seems to have a lot of overlap with List of works based on Peter Pan. Shouldn't we use one or the other ? -- Beardo (talk) 03:48, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: Hopefully I'm getting the formatting right and posting in the right place, but on the page for Peter Pan the link for "Christopher Steele" leads to the intelligence officer rather than the actor and I'm not familiar enough with Wikipedia to edit it myself, nor am I sure that the actor has a Wikipedia page. Regardless, it's the wrong person so I wanted to point it out. Thank you in advance to whomever fixes it. 68.80.1.241 (talk) 10:41, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Christopher Steele credited 

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