Talk:Samuel T. Anders

message: We've yet to discover if he's human or cyclon.  Yes, him and the other three characters were drawn to the gym by a Bob Dylan cover, but we've yet to see their faces under the hooded robes.  Ignoring the yet unexplained plot points that would allow Saul Tigh, a man who was born before the Cylons were invented, and thus Anders (whose tenure probably extends past Boomer's established three year window) be cylons, we simply can't know for certain what he is becaue we know too little.  Provided there are no objections I will change his profile to say "Human or Final Five Humanoid Cylon" or more succinctly, "Uncertain"Levelistchampion 04:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Saul's perceptual age isn't a plot hole at all. It may just be that his model is made to be an old man, but embedded with the memories spanning his "manufactured life" (think of how Brother Cavil would be if he were a sleeper agent like Boomer was). If this were the case, he may in fact have been made by the Cylons, and Saul's ACTUAL lifetime would be shorter than what he'd be programmed to remember (as his memories would be fabricated). Unless we can get a human from the show to attest to knowing him before the creation of the Cylons, we can't trust Saul's own memories of himself, as we couldn't trust Boomer's. Bigas2kanin (talk) 02:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But Chief Tyrol mentioned a "switch" that went off, implying that they all suddenly knew that they were Cylons. Like they were sleeper agents, then the song flipped a "switch" inside them, making them all "wake up" and remember that they are Cylons. 70.17.143.26 05:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't mean anything at this point. Roslin could just as easily be a Cylon based on evidence from this episode. Until we see them under the robes or other versions of the models, there is no solid evidence they're Cylons. Especially since as mentioned above Tigh is older then the Cylons themselves and Tyrol had parents who were alive and well before the attacks. Gateman1997 05:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still the "switch" Tyrol mentioned should still be noted in the artice, as that seems to be part of the reason he thinks he is a Cylon. 70.17.143.26 05:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "switch" you speak of was him speaking figuratively, but it could be included. However I think we should actually change the {Humanoid Cylon) notation in the infoboxes back to Human until there is evidence they are Cylons beyond their assumption. Afterall, they're hearing "All along the watchtower" in their heads which is an Earth based song, not Cylon. Gateman1997 07:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Human status

message: Whoever keeps saying that Tigh, Tori, Tyrol and Anders discovered they are Cylons needs to stop.  The so-called "fact" that they are Cylons has not been established at all.  At this point it is only suspected by the 4 of them and has not been confirmed by ANYONE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.198.158.255 (talk) 11:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That those four are Cylons is confirmed in this interview with the executive producer: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm 71.139.2.211 13:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I deleted this comment (at least I thought I did). Either I forgot to remove it from Anders' discussion page, or someone added it back.  I added then removed the same comment from the other 3 "Final 5".  However, within the show, I still stand by the fact that it hasn't been firmly established that the characters themselves know for a fact that they are Cylons, other than a feeling that they are.  Even that is not so clear, as they seem to be reacting to the fear that they might be, not necessarily all accepting that they ARE truly cylons.  Tyrol seems to be the only one that clearly believes it to be true, but this has been an established fear of his character, ever since he started meeting with Brother Cavil.  Also, RDM has stated that they are a different kind of Cylon from the other 7.  Within the show, it is ambiguous.68.198.158.255 03:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The strength of their denial was a reaction to the knowledge of their true nature. They all accept it after the Chief does-- Noneofyourbusiness 03:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, you're saying that because they deny it, they must believe it?  Makes a lot of sense.  And other than your interpretation, how do their actions or statements prove this?  I think RDM's statements have clouded the actual scene.  I am not arguing that they are not Cylons, but I really haven't seen anything that definitively proves that all 4 of them believe they are without a doubt cylons and I've watched the episode several times.  It's moot anyway, I'm not editing the page to change this and if no one else agrees, then the issue can die here.68.198.158.255 03:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, denial was the wrong word. I meant their confusion and "oh no, this can't be happening but so clearly is" mood. None of them actually tries to deny it except Anders, who can't finish the sentence. Anyway, you're right that it's moot. -- Noneofyourbusiness 16:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not definitively Cylons 

message: What's the "T" stand for? Toaster? I don't remember it being used on the show, so I'm dropping it from the lead. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "T"?