Talk:Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2/Archive 5

message: I know for a fact that Goku can go Kaioken as a transformation. But its not listed under Goku's transformations. So i added it but someone deleted it!!! Why doesnt Kaoiken count? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarvisganon (talk • contribs) 
:Because it's not a "transformation", but more of a power-up. We're only adding the transformations that are available from the character select screen. Sasuke-kun27 17:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kaoiken? 

message: Can someone verify the statement "all characters ever featured on any Dragon Ball game will be playable characters"?  No source is provided, and if this is true, there are some characters missing from the table.  My guess is this can't be verified since 129 seems to be the number of playable characters.  CPitt76 22:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character Info

message: Not much but it's something http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932683&topic=30960712-SSJ Gokan 02:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info 

message: About 4 on 4 battles, it says in the article that "This is referring to Tag team options" followed by a citation needed tag. I know nothing about the whole citation thing and was wondering if a video would do before changing it myself. Sasuke-kun27 22:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't have a problem with it, except we might want to reword the sentence a little.  But I'm cool with the source.  CPitt76 00:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a better video. It's a 1 against 5 battle. Click here. Sasuke-kun27 00:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 on 4 battles 

message: For those of you who still think great ape isn't a transformation for Kid Goku watch this video. http://youtube.com/watch?v=wg4RAyJcI1g
:Hmm, perhaps it's true...--Atomic-Super-SuitWhat Have I Done?!  03:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kid Goku/Great Ape 

message: Broly DOES NOT have a Regular SSj transformation. Actually, he has a RESTRICTED Super saiyan form, so i update the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.39.138.147 (talk • contribs) 
:I already told you on your talk page that we are using the names from the game and in the game, its called Super Saiyan. Same goes for Bojack's Final Form. In the game, it's Final Form Full Power and not Transformed. Also, please remember to sign your name at the end of every comment by using four ~. Thank you. Sasuke-kun27 14:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restricted SSJ Broly 

message: "A recent Japanese website known as Club Dragon Ball states that all characters ever featured on any Dragon Ball game will be playable characters in the sequel"
This is false. As many Dragon Ball Z games there are, every character featured in all the Z games are not in the game. I seem to remember a game,Dragon Ball Advanced Adventure, having characters such as Tambourine among others who are not featured in th egame. In General Rildo is not in, despite the fact thatt he was featured in Tranformations. This line is completly untrue.-SSJ Gokan 01:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was meant to say "Budokai game". I'll change it.--KojiDude (Contributions) 01:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I wasnt getting mad or nothing I was just pointing that out.-SSJ Gokan 01:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, alright. I guess I just interpreted it as anger. It's hard to tell what emotion somone is showing on the internet. =/ --KojiDude (Contributions) 01:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've actually brought this up before, glad someone else asked the question.  We should change it to "Tenkaichi game" instead of "Budokai game", unless someone can verify that Gokule or Tiencha are characters in this game.  They were in Budokai 2.  CPitt76 02:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that Gokule and Tienacha aren't part of the Dragonball series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.206.35 (talk • contribs)  19:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if you really are SuperSaiyanCrash or not, but I'm going to have to ask you to sign your name under your IP account when not you're logged in. You can change it back to your original signature if you log in. And back to your question, Gokule and Tiencha are not part of the Dragon Ball series. They are just characters made for the Budokai 2 game. What we're talking about here is that the article says that every character that ever appeared in a DB/DBZ/DBGT game will appear in Tenkaichi 2. That is definately not the case (as there would be a lot more characters in the game). Someone suggested that we change it to "Budokai series" instead, but that wouldn't work either because then Tiencha, Gokule, and Super Buu's fantasy absorbtions would have to be in the game, as well. So, I think we should go with CPitt76's idea of changing it to "Tenkaichi series" to cause less confusion. Sasuke-kun27 19:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just say from the previous game. Saying "all characters from every Tenkaichi game" is stupid, scince there's only one.--KojiDude (Contributions) 21:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Innacurate 

message: -    
- I keep putting some confirmed info about fusions but someone deletes them?who and why?   
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- 10-17-06   
- bogocolombia 
This copy and paste job might not work but we'll see.
Whether or not this bogocolombia dude's info is accurate it should still be mooted in the discussion page.
I can't remeber the official Wiki opinion on editing the talk page but generally I think you should only edit for spelling rather than content.
Anyway, yeah, fusions.
I have looked at quite a bit of info about this game and know nothing about how the fusions work, I personally would appreciate some info on the matter.
Original research is a term that gets thrown around far too much, just like Fancruft on the Futurama Episode Lists. (I actually left a rant on there about it too.)
I don't know what this bogo guy was talking about but I doubt it should have been removed so totally.
The original original research thing was to stop people publishing scientific journals here to submit them for peer review. Technically an overview of the plot of a new South Park episode is technical research unless someone posts the overview to their Livejournal then links it as a referance.
I fail to see how a description of game mechanics can be original research in the spirit of the rule. It probably is in the letter of the rule, but by that token so if half the article. In fact, so is a large chunk of wikipedia.
In short, don't delete people's talk posts, it's rude and trollish and detracts from the overall point which is to eductate people about what is a sweet looking gameSimondrake 00:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The info was just speculation and had no source. If you think we should keep things like that in the article just because you think it's "rude", then you're at the wrong website, man.--KojiDude (Contributions) 01:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You say it's just sourceless speculation and he says it's valid and confirmed information, I don't know if it is but that's what the talk page is for- to discuss whether or not a piece of information should go in the main article. Simondrake 07:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't cited, it just said a "reliable japanese website". We can't know if it's reliablitiy is true or not. I'd also like to add in that this could possibly be an attempt of vandalism, because this page has a long history of vandalism and s-protections (see the Log, it was even semi-protected very recently after I put in a request at WP:RfPP). I'm not trying to assume bad faith here, but after 8 or 9 semi-protections, you kinda just assume...--KojiDude (Contributions) 20:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a video showing Trunks fusing with Goten to become Gotenks. About 2:10 into the video, Trunks uses fives energy balls to fuse (look at the upper left-hand corner). Would this work? --Sasuke-kun27 23:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that confirms both the claims. It'd be good to re-insert the sentence and reference that. I have one question though, is that Spanish Uub's speaking?--KojiDude (Contributions) 00:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fusion Info 

message: Although Atari still says on their site they removed the transformations out of the menu but that isn't true. According to this  video there are transformations in the menu and in-game tranformations. This fact is not in the summary of wikipedia, i think it should be added: PFire 14:05 (UTC)
:It already says that there are in-game transformations in the game and the fact that transformations can be chosen before a fight doesn't really need to be added, unless you find it necessary to mention in the article. --Sasuke-kun27 16:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, whether Atari has it on their site or not, it has still been confirmed. I see no problem keeping it the way we have it now. --Sasuke-kun27 22:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transformations in menu 

message: I really don't feel like being blocked for edit warring or anything over my recent edit, so I'm going to be civil (like a Wikipedian should) and discuss it here on the talk page first. Now, the reason I changed Pikkon's and Zangya's names to Paikuhan and Zangula is because I was using the video provided in the Fake Characters section of the article. I am completely aware that at some point in the video, the names start to change from the English versions to some other language (it either starts at Raditz or his Great Ape form). But everything before that is the English name (i.e. Goku, Gohan, etc.) and Pikkon and Zangya come before Raditz, so I don't see why we can't use Paikuhan or Zangula in the article. // Sasuke-kun27 01:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That video is in a foreign languege. There's no telling what names are english and what aren't. Also, I highly doubt that the American game will use Japanese names.--KojiDude (Contributions) 01:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Ha! 100% fake. Unless there's some proof like a video or official information from Atari, it's not real. Besides, how many attacks could she possibly have? You never see her fight in any of the episodes and if she is in the game (not going to happen), she would probably have the same move over and over again like Videl in Tenkaichi 1. // Sasuke-kun27 20:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't blame me, I didn't make that cheat up. And besides, you're right. What good would she do against Baby? SuperSaiyanCrash 21:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pikkon and Zangya 

message: ive just got a small question i really would love to know about this game. does it have any of this cheesey music from the japanese version? like the intro movie it doesn't have that guy that sings something in japanese? and no cheesy music in the fights are there. plz wb 
from jack
:Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a forum. Please discuss the article, not the topic. About your question, there will be the option of selecting the music you like, but the only music I have heard is from the japanese version of the game. // Sasuke-kun27 21:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there is no Japanese music on the PAL version so it's highly unlikely that it will be on the NTSC version. Blindman shady 22:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: music on DBZ tenkaichi 2?

message: I found some really good information on the modes in Tenkaichi 2 and thought that it would be a good idea to add it here (seeing how every other Budokai game does). Only problem is that it's in French and most web translators pretty much suck. If someone can translate this page, do you think we could add the info or would it be best to wait until it comes out? // Sasuke-kun27 20:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Modes