Talk:Swenglish

message: I wrote this article about Swenglish. I am pretty much of a Swenglish speaker so I think there's alot of spelling mistakes and so on. Due to that I am a Swenglish speaker I can't look at this with English eyes and listen to it with English ears, so corrections and so on are welcomed. Both on my language and Swenglish in general. // Limpan 12:29, 13 July 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think "mejla" and "printa" really are examples of bad swedish. They are so common now, they should be considered swedish words... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.113.113 (talk) 02:42, 2 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree when it comes to "mejla", but I've never heard anyone say "printa". "Skriva ut" is the only term I've heard in Swedish. - Gustav — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.255.203.210 (talk) 13:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I wrote this article – corrections welcomed 

message: This entire article needs a rewrite... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.47.220.223 (talk) 11:24, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are always quite welcome to make any improvements you see fit. --EldKatt 13:48, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just made a few improvements. Someone still needs to address the question of whether svengelska (in the sense of laughably bad English spoken by Swedes) is a real phenomenon, or just a joke created by supercilious Englishmen.  "Raping at dinner?" I'd be willing to bet no Swede has ever said such a thing. The English, on the other hand -- when they bother to learn foreign languages at all -- have surely said "Det är på mig!" (what I call engska) when they're offering to treat. --Cultural Freedom talk 19:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I added in the article, Swinglish (note that I DON'T write Swenglish) is actually a real phenomenon which affects people from a Swedish and English-speaking background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.132.139 (talk) 15:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor Quality

message: Those examples, fart, prick, etc. are classical examples of what a Swedish person might say, but really.... Has anybody ever made those mistakes for real? They've always seemed like jokes to me, like it would be funny if someone would actually say that, or simply as examples of Swedish words that native English speakers may find funny. "Infart", anybody?
A more realistic pair of false friends that I think some people actually do get confused is the english word eventually and the swedish eventuellt (possibly) (Entheta 22:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't begin to tell you how many Swedish words my mother has made fun of. ('Farthinder', 'beslutsfattare'...) My friend, who is a native speaker of Swedish, has made some mistakes similar to what the article is talking about. However, I do agree- 'eventuellt' seems much more likely than any of the other ones.DTPQueen 21:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Answer: I once had a game of table tennis with some Swedes that thought it was hilarious to say "pricks" instead of "prickar" when holding the tally - but the ironic thing is that none of them actually knew what "prick" meant, namely, "gay". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.132.139 (talk) 15:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I have heard stories, maybe just stories, about a guy called Jönsson (a normal Swedish name), saying "Hi my name is Jönsson, that is Johnsson with two pricks". (prick means penis not only gay). A manager opened an fair (exhibition), saying "I declare this mess opened". Fair="Mässa" in Swedish. And a group testing Swedish cars in the US. The police showed up in their garage asking what they were doing. "We are screwing with a car". The last one is true, one of the guys told it to the author of the article. -- BIL 22:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Doesn't "prick" mean penis, rather than gay? (In an extended sense, "despicable person" or similar...) 惑乱 分からん 12:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: False friends, "fart controllers"

message: I redirected the recently created Swinglish and I'm pasting the prose content of the article here if anyone wants to include it. Please delete this post after merging the material.
:Swinglish is a portmanteau made by mixing the words Swedish (Swedish language) and English (English language). Swinglish, or Swedish English, refers to a linguistic combination of Swedish and English, the Swedish native speakers' version of the English language.
:The languages are closely related Germanic languages, and Swedes are taught English in elementary school. In addition, English spoken movies and programmes are not post-synchronised (dubbed) on Swedish television, giving most people the impression that the Swedish are fluent in English. However, listening to a Swede speaking English will reveal this is not always the case. The Swedes and other Nordic people in practice sometimes make systematic mistakes when speaking and writing English.
:"Errors" occur mainly in pronunciation, word order and the meaning of words.
Peter Isotalo 15:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Swinglish has a bunch of meanings, so I created a disambiguation page. --Cultural Freedom talk 06:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  One phenomenon which you failed to mention is the jargon spoken by the children of native Swedish speakers in English speaking countries or vice versa. This is the real Swinglish because it is used as a mother tongue and not simply as a bridge between languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.132.139 (talk) 15:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content from [[Swinglish]] 

message: Svengelska is not just "Swedish with many English words" but is a wider term. It refers to Swedish that is noticably affected (or contaminated, according to the point of view) by English. This includes, for example, literally translating English idiom into Swedish, even if only Swedish words are used. An example (from an English-born judge in the dance programme Lets Dance on Swedish TV4):
:English: "You are going from strength to strength"
:Svengelska: "Du går från styrka till styrka"
The phrase literally translated into Swedish makes little sense to a Swedish listener. Tamino 20:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought Swedish "corrupted" by English was "engska" in Swedish. That's what I've always called it, and heard it called. Either way, it certainly shouldn't be covered by the same word meaning English "corrupted" by Swedish. In one case we're talking about (bad) Swedish, in another (bad) English. "I invite you" (I'll treat) instead of "Jag bjuder" (på en öl) is svengelska. "Vad är uppe?" ("What's up?") is engska. --Cultural Freedom talk 15:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Engska? Is that like a reversed form of Svengelska? Never heard it, but why not?... 惑乱 分からん 22:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, it's what corresponds to the phenomenon of an English speaker saying Vad är uppe? ("What's up?"). That shouldn't be part of what we describe here as Swenglish, or? (or there was an example of svengelska :) ) --Cultural Freedom talk 06:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, I haven't heard the term before... 惑乱 分からん 13:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe it's just something my quirky academic friends and I use. I get no hits on Google (aside from typos), so it shouldn't be mentioned here. Either way, a lot of different things are being discussed at once here (English spoken weirdly, Swedish with incorrect English influences, Swedish with now acceptable English influence...), and they should perhaps be organized in a better way. --Cultural Freedom talk 16:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Knäckebröd is listed as being 'rye bread', but Knäckebröd is not rye bread, it is 'Crisp Bread' in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.241.192.37 (talk) 17:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, if you say "crisp bread" in an English speaking country then no one will understand you. Instead, "rye bread" is the appropriate alternative. "Crisp" is a far to broad term to be used on such a specific product name. "Rye" refers to the actual grain that the product is made of which indicates exactly what you are talking about. Rye, unlike crisp, has more specific connotations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.132.139 (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely "hard bread" must be a better word for knäckebröd notwist (talk) 08:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Svengelska" not just English words in Swedish 

message: Fri att användas!
swe	Dis josör iss ejbel to contribjot vidd a proffeshonal levell off svinglish änd spik dis längvish ass modertongue.
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Aaker 22:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sänk jo! Hoäver: plis spika littligt englisk! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 17:27, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fabulous! But users who should use it won't. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:29, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox Swenglish (svinglish josörbox) 

message: :Swedish and English has in part different grammar that could cause mistakes when translating. One common thing is to leave out the word "the", whose counterpart "den"/"det" is used only in connection with adjectives in Swedish (like "det stora huset"). Example: "Bilen är röd"→"Car is red"[citation needed]. (In Swedish, definiteness is marked with a suffix.)
This section has to be incorrect. Even though it is true that a suffix is used to mark definiteness ("huset" for "the house") it is incorrect that "den/det" is only used in connection with adjectives. One could say "det huset" instead of "huset" and it has a different meaning ("that house" compared to "the house"). I also disagree that it is a common error to leave out the word "the" notwist (talk) 08:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A thought 

message: I do not agree with the definition of Swinglish in this article at all. What is being described in this article is just bad English or Swedish and does not even take into account people who actually speak a genuine mixture of the two languages as their mother tongue, whether it lean more towards Swedish or English. I personally have English as my mother tongue with necessary additional Swedish words in my native vocabulary, something that is closer to any genuine form of Swinglish than the article even mentions. Swinglish is more than bad language. Ozsvensk  217.209.134.72 (talk) 23:20, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you refer to code switching? 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 23:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of Swinglish