Talk:List of loanwords in Indonesian

message: I think you must let the language specialists (etymologists) that know all about Austronesian words/languages and other foreign languages to do this job.
It's because I can see some entries in this article of "List of loan words in Indonesia" have wrongly entered in.
There are pintu(means a door in Malay), which is not from Portuguese because in Portuguse it is porta. Look, it is too far to conclude that it came from Portuguese, even the word "pintu" has been existed for centuries before the coming of Portuguese to Malay Archipelagos. Besides, there was a concept/idea of a "door" in Malay world. They have a house, and of course they too have an original word for that concept of "something that used to close the house".
And, utara (means north in Malay) and dua (means two in Malay) did not came from Sanskrit since they are not in Sanskrit vocabularies. In Sanskrit the word for two is dvi and it came into Malay as "dwi", but dua was not came from that since it exists in Malay world from South-east Asia to New Zealand and Hawaii (USA). In Phillippines it is dalawa, that might be a word that came to be shorten as "dua" in Malay.
On the other hand, I suggest to combine all Javanese, Minangkabau, Sundanese, Nias, and other one root of Austronesian family into the new section named as Sharing Words of Austronesian instead of dividing them. It is also because one cannot say that whether the word aku came from Javanese or Malay since they both are Austronesian peoples and they live as closest neighbours (Java island is close to Sumatra island - Sumatra is Malay ethnic home, besides of other living homes of Malay). 
Lastly, I would like to tell you that I deleted the wrongly entered words that somebody confused those as foreign loans. Thanks. 
Mr. Knows (talk) 09:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some words were wrongly entered , and let the specialists do the job 

message: Just wondering...
:1. Piyama (pajamas) & kudeta (coup d'etat) - did these come directly to Indonesian, or via English?
:2. Should koran (newspaper) be added - is it Arabic?
:3. Should koran (newspaper) be added - is it Arabic?
:4. Should dunia (world) be added - is it Sanskrit?
First thing I do when I get back to Indonesia is buy a decent dictionary (Indonesian-Indonesian) which also mentions word origins. (If you can recommend a good one, please tell me.)
Singkong 9 July 2005 04:33 (UTC)
:1. Via Dutch actually.
:2. No it comes from Dutch again, but originally it is French from courant (stream).
:3. Koran is always spelt as Al Quran or Al Qur'an in Indonesian.
:4. It is Arabic actually.
If you want to buy a dictionary which mentions the etymology, you should buy an Indonesian-French one, written by Pierre Labrousse. I haven't seen a decent Indo-Indo dict. yet which mentions the etymology, not even the official KBBI (Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia). Meursault2004 07:14, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: From Dutch, it's obvious. for instance: Administratie in Dutch, Dutch word borrowed from French, like the English administration.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.51.235 (talk) 14:54, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of... 

message: Administrasi, migrasi & sirkulasi have been added as coming from English. Is this correct, or are they from Dutch? Same question applies to nasional, internasional, telpon. --Singkong2005 12:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From Dutch, it's obvious. for instance: Administratie in Dutch, Dutch word borrowed from French, like the English administration.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.51.235 (talk) 14:54, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  English or Dutch? 

message: We should compare and revise this page and the Indonesian equivalents. See the Indonesian language page ] for links to: 
- Daftar kata serapan dari bahasa Arab dalam bahasa Indonesia.
- Daftar kata serapan dari bahasa Portugis dalam bahasa Indonesia.
- Daftar kata serapan dari bahasa Tionghoa dalam bahasa Indonesia.
Singkong 9 July 2005 05:14 (UTC)
:There are some more borrowed words in Malay language. Many apply also to Indonesian. I started to put some into this page but had a browser crash... This will have to stay on my "list of things to do one day". 
:btw, an addition: insan is also a Hindi word, but I read that it's of Persian or Arabic origin. Singkong2005 13:20, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compare with Indonesian pages 

message: I've noted that some words are quite similar to French especially ones that have to do with military/police matters. It may have been imported during the brief French rule of Java during the Napoleonic Wars. Examples include:
Zeni - Engineer corps of the Army. May come from the French "génie" (engineer, although not strictly military).
Reserse - Investigative division/section of the Police. May come from "recherche" (to seek).
:No. These French words are absorbed via Dutch. Meursault2004 07:08, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Words absorbed from French 

message: How about add a column (field) that describe the origin word?
Marhadiasa 17:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding a column

message: I don't know the origins for certain, but these probably belong on the list. 
* Sanskrit?: ksatria, pendeta (same origin as pundit?) and the prefixes dwi-, tri-
* Sanskrit or Persian?: insan
* European: mobil, telepon, nasional, internasional, handphone
It might be worth adding that many technical and philosophical words are the same as in European languages, or are formed in predictable ways. E.g. -ization becomes -isasi, so globalization becomes globalisasi. --Singkong2005 talk 08:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Words to add 

message: It seems to me that the order should be either alphabetical or broadly chronological, but it doesn't look like either. FilipeS 21:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The order of the languages in the table

message: Why does the table appear below everything else? Is this fixable? Elle (talk) 01:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Table

message: Duit- Definitely DUTCH not Chines. Wikipedia article on "duit" refutes Chinese origins.
"the duit was a Dutch coin worth 2 penning, with 8 duit equal to one stuiver and 160 duit equal to one gulden. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duit}
Duit is derived from French- like many Dutch words. It is the correct term for a half-pfennig.
Duit coins are also found in other VOC lcoales- like India and former Ceylon- also New York: 
Teh- not a corruption of cah- Chinese for tea. Teh- is from Dutch "thee"- there is no elongated "e" sound in Javanese. It's a language corruption.
M<aybe the Dutch got it from Hokkien s/Teochow- who knows. But provably derived from the Dutch not the Min Nan. 
As a side note- tea- is not from HCina- but south-east Asia!  
Pasar- ARABIC silly!- I assume it's a typo- like akbar, besar, kabar, dhahar, kumar- many Arabic words in a distinct rolled -'ar'- completely foreign to Chinese langauges
Kecap- ketsiap- might be an idea just to highlight to origin as ket siap to delineate the Germanic ketschyup= ket's soup.
please correct. I know I'll wreck the tableStarstylers (talk) 11:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections 

message: "Portuguese/bugis" needs an explanation. These are 2 different languages, so why are they placed together? Thanks. --Chriswaterguy talk 09:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portuguese or Bugis 

message: Lest a subtle POV creep in (i.e., Indonesia was "backward", thus only had one-way interaction with Chinese, Tamil, Dutch, etc.), I recommend that we indicate words that moved in the other direction: from Indonesian (or Malay) into European or other languages. I have indicated some in the article's lead (bamboo is probably the most easily recognized example for English, orangutan, durian, rambutan are less so). Would a separate section be better? Martindo (talk) 00:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borrowings FROM Indonesian (or Malay) 

message: Anybody knows where the word lentera comes from? Marxolang (talk) 06:31, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lentera 

message: I was delighted to find such a long list of Sanskrit loans. However, I notice that:
* Some of the diacritics are jumbled-up -- no doubt a result of copying from a non-Unicode font.
* Some spellings omit proper IAST diacritics and provide a phonetic spelling.
* Some spellings have an extra "h" -- e.g. kepala = kap[h]ala -- in "South-Indian-esque" phonetic style.  (N.B. kapāla is the correct spelling; without a long "ā" it means "half, part".)
* A couple of words are actually derived from Hindi, with no obvious underlying Sanskrit root.
Should I just go ahead and start correcting the first three? And how should I deal with the fourth class of fixes? Also, I spotted a couple of Javanese loans that are originally from a Sanskritic root. How do we deal with those?
In related questions, when I come across unlisted words that are obvious loans, can I just add them in, or would that count as "original research"? I think not, but I'd rather have opinions than waste my time there... ~ Baba Bom (talk) 09:33, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, first sweep done. I've now corrected the diacritics; verified the Sanskrit words against Sir Monier-Williams' Sanskrit dictionary (and at http://www.spokensanskrit.de/ where M-W doesn't list them), correcting where necessary; added a couple of missing entries; and tagged ambiguous etymologies with , and words not found in Sanskrit dictionaries with . ~ Baba Bom (talk) 12:37, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections in Sanskrit Loans 

message: as Indonesian im never heard any of those word  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.67.41.20 (talk) 09:25, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Erase / Remove Indonesian Loanword From German 

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message: As per the above, many of these make no sense or are highly dubious. Do Indonesians really say "auf wiedersehen"? Several others are just ridiculous: "Deutschland über alles", "Geheime Staatspolizei", "Hitler Jugend" etc., how are these in any way part of the Indonesian language? Prinsgezinde (talk) 10:20, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Nonsensical German loanwords

message: Instead of regional languages, how about organize the languages into language families (I.e. Indo-European, Afroasiatic, Dravidian, etc)?2605:6001:E7C4:1E00:F536:8A53:89D:8E9A (talk) 20:28, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please recategorize the languages. 

message: I'm Indonesian, we never use any of those Russian and Italian loanwords in this article. What's the point of adding it? It's pretty useless. 2001:448A:6020:D8F:E9CE:C2EE:7B14:865 (talk) 09:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian and Italian loanwords