Talk:E-123 Omega/Archive 1

message: This Omega article really needs a picture or two.  Could someone upload one please? --anon
I would gadly upload a pic, but it's just that no other promotional image of Omega has been since Sonic Heroes. That pic is already up here. I guess I could try and put up a screenshot. UnDeRsCoRe 18:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture Request

message: You know, we need to erase some of these quotes and replace them with something less redundant. --anon
By the way i added the bit about the animal inside E-123 Omega, i know it's never mentioned but there is no reason for Eggman to change his animal to robot techniques (except of couse E-102 Gamma). -- Roboshi aka Thomas Ellinson
I took the liberty of deleting the Quotes section all together. Based on the material that was there, it just seemed pointless. --Danish Ranger 00:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: shouldnt the bit where it says he was made by eggman be in the in-universe info section.
Isn't that common knowledge? I mean: Eggman creates E-Series. Omega-last of E-Series. Eggman created Omega. Seriously, just bout everyone knows that. ChromeWulf ZX 20:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Created by Eggman???

message: I just realized, after the first Mephiles boss fight in the 2006 Sonic game, there are two Omegas in the present, since the Omega who had just reactivated in the future went back in time with Shadow. Does this qualify as noteworthy?MegaWhatt 23:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah it was undone, just like Sonic's... you know that spoiler already Cigraphix 23:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Two Omegas in Sonic Next-Gen

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thread_title:  Dead link 

message: There used to be a team dark image but that got deleted but I've found a couple others I think we could use  this, or this as a replacement.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 15:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Team Dark image

message: Hi, I'm here from Wikiproject Sega, better known as The Sega Project.  I'm here on behalf of the assessment department of that project to assess this article per the request made to the project.  Like with most of my standard assessments, I'll put what I think is good, what needs improvement and how to go about it, and my overall opinion.  
So let's start with what's good:
*The opening paragraph is large and comprehensive of the content of the article, and even has a reference.  
*It looks like most of the bases have been covered on the content, and the article covers much information.  
Okay, and now what needs improvement:
*This is the English Wikipedia, and reading a Japanese site for references can be straining to people who are not bilingual.  Now, it can stay if no English equivalent can be found, but an English equivalent that is NOT machine translated is much preferred over the Japanese site.  I've made that mistake before, so that's just a little piece of advice.
*Some of the sections are missing references completely.  For these, citing the game manuals (and maybe citing them multiple times) can serve as a good source.  Check out WP:REF and WP:CITET for more information on how to do this with a reference template, which makes life easier.  Also, look for more references in general for the entire article, but especially for sections without any references at all, because this can be seen as original research and could be challenged and removed. 
*Be careful about using too much plot regurgitation in the "Game appearances" section.  See WP:PLOT for more information. Keep these sections short and sweet, without getting into too much rehashing.  This also makes it easier to find sources for this information.
That said, here's my verdict:  This article does not meet with what is defined as B-class by the standards of WP:SEGA/A (see the Quality Scale for more information on the standards).  It remains a Start-class article because of the above problems.  Hopefully, though, my assessment has given you some insight on how this article can be improved.  If you want to have the article assessed again later, just put it back up under the new requests for assessment.  If you have questions, comments, or anything else, you can contact me on my talk page or ask the project at the Sega Project Assessment Department talk page.  Redphoenix526 (Talk) 16:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:SEGA/A|The Sega Project Assessment]]

message: The two extra images are practically identical to the lead one, do not reference anything that is discussed in the text, and thus fail our non-free policies, notably WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#8.  Thanks, Black Kite 13:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there anything I could do to change that?Fairfieldfencer FFF 15:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Usually, I'd say that you'd need a critical discussion of the images in the article.  But the three images are so similar that I think you'd struggle to meet NFCC even if you did that.  You have to think of it not from the perspective of someone familiar with the character such as yourself, but from the casual reader.  I know a bit about the subject, and I struggled to see much difference between them even with the text mentioning it. Black Kite 17:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In all honesty, the only reason I uploaded the 2D image was to make the article look better. Could I put back the 3D one and delete the 2D?Fairfieldfencer FFF 18:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind the image has been put on E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog). It replaced the 2006 version.Fairfieldfencer FFF 13:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Why has Omega's page been cut down so much? We'll end up losing a major character's article here! Can anyone help rebuild it?  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's part of a plan to cut down the fancruft. (Details here.)Fairfieldfencer FFF 13:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

text: What you and me see as important they see as fancruft.Fairfieldfencer FFF 15:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why?

message: I have been working on Omega's article on another wiki for a while now and am trying to make it an article on here. The work there is from the original article on Wikipedia before it was merged. I figured I'd hit two birds with one stone by helping out this article and possibly bringing it back to Wikipedia. I already have opinions from four members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games on how to get it back, (Red Phoenix, SynergyBlades, Randomran and A Man In Black). AMIB says it needs reliable references from non-fan sites and ones not employed by SEGA. RP says it needs sources that establish Omega's importance outside of the Sonic universe because of WP:FICT. Randomran says the plot sections and unreliable fan-site need to be cut, and it needs sources that establish Omega's importance outside of the sonic universe, which can only really come from reliable third-party sources like game journalists, game scholars, and so on... And SynergyBlades says I need to get rid of most of the in-universe detail. These are the things that can bring this article back. Most of that stuff can be done except for one thing at the moment. Establishing Omega's importance outside of the Sonic series. So I need whoever's reading this to help by telling me if you've seen an article or something like that made by a game journalist in a magazine or a website. Once that's done, E-123 Omega will be back on Wikipedia with his own article.Fairfieldfencer FFF 20:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting this article back