Talk:List of student social organizations at the College of Wooster

message: In particular, I find this section to be possibly NPOV:
On March 3, 1983, hazing became a crime in the state of Ohio. Over the next two decades, intentional ignorance devolved into an extreme crackdown of hazing activities, highlighted by two 1993 incidents involving the OATs and Peanuts where the school had no proof of hazing, yet told both groups that they could not take pledges, decisions later reversed by the Judicial Board. The only fraternity not known to have faced Greek Council consequeces due to pledging activities in this time span is Xi Chi Psi, and they only existed for half of the time. As a direct result of the College's crackdowns, a few greek groups have pulled their charters. This author suspects that if the college continues its crackdown on drinking games, 2-4 more frats will do the same, and the college will be left with a fraternity popluation which they have no control over.
According to the policy of Wikipedia, "this author" should be writing in an encyclopedic way that doesn't show the opinion of just one person. If there are factions of people at the College of Wooster who feel certain ways about Greek Life, the policies of the College, and/or about Ohio law, well then okay, but all of the opinions should be called out.
Also, I have some concerns about this article's tone. I would work on it, but I'm not sure changing the article would change the... agenda. There's just so much to be done here. Don't get me wrong, I love the College of Wooster, I have no issue with the folks who do Greek Life, and I learned a lot I didn't know. But it just doesn't seem like an encyclopedic article. Maybe a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy entry, which, well, that's great in its own right, but that doesn't work around here. --Jacqui M Schedler 05:28, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, to my eye it looks a lot better. I don't know if the problem is completelytotally solved yet, but what you've done certainly gives me faith that it can actually be done, Adam. On the other hand, I would also like the opinion from a few people who don't go to this college. --Jacqui M Schedler 23:54, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV???

message: This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splashtalk 21:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations to those who have worked hard on this page, especially User:CastAStone. Now that this article has been through VfD, it's unlikely that anyone will try to delete the page again. While there wasn't a strong consensus, there certainly wasn't a widespread view that this was "college cruft," which is what I feared would happen. Now, let's keep going to continue to make this the best page it can be! --Jacquelyn Marie 21:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles for Deletion debate

message: Just so everyone knows, I moved the sentence which links to this article when I restructured the COW page. It is higher on page, in a (still developing) section on student life, clubs and activities. --Jacquelyn Marie 21:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Linked to on [[The College of Wooster]]

message: Do we still need the NPOV tag? This article is a lot different from the way it began. If I don't hear otherwise in around a week's time that anyone else has a problem with it, I'll take the tag off. --Jacquelyn Marie 21:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Do we still need the NPOV tag?

message: This article survived its 2nd AfD. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The College of Wooster Greeks %282%29
--Jacqui ★ 18:40, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD, part two

message: I see no reason not to merge this with The College of Wooster.  All the unverifiable stuff should be left behind, though.  I know the article claims references, but I strongly suspect much of what's here isn't verifiable.  Friday (talk) 02:06, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: I have some concerns about references.  One of them, a student paper, is IMO very obviously not a reliable source.  The others may be semi-reliable as far as they go, but they're very obscure.  Thinking of the reader, if something is verifiable only by going to the library of a small college, that's not very verifiable at all, is it?  I think we should reduce this down to currently active organizations, which (at least in theory) are easy to verify.  Thoughts?  Friday (talk) 18:53, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Friday, if you read the article at The College of Wooster, you will learn that that "student paper" is no less than an IS, which is a thesis-style project. It's Wooster's senior capstone program, which US News and World report ranks second only to Princeton's. And here is who you contact if you would like photocopies of the special collections resources -- though it will cost you something like 5 to 10 cents per copy. Jacqui ★ 20:33, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

text: It seems reasonably verifiable to me - at least for the subject matter in question. The history of most towns and colleges is best recorded in their own historical societies/special collections. It's the natural place to go. I think Wikipedia commits a grave error if it restricts itself to widely available verification. Phil Sandifer 19:13, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh - the student paper is a senior IS at Wooster? That's totally reliable - those go through vetting comparable to MA theses, and are kept on record at the library. Again, I wouldn't call them major contributions to an academic field or highly notable sources, but in terms of reliability? Absolutely. Phil Sandifer 19:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: This was previously on the article itself, but is more appropriate for the talk page: "It is rumored that plenty of Pyramid supplies, including pins and composites ... plenty of Sphinx supplies, including their sorority log binders ... [and] Chi Omega Psi ... articles [are] in Greek Storage - If anyone with access to said storage can update this area, it would be appriciated." Dragonfiend 01:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  articles in Greek Storage  

message: The following sentence has been restored to this article: "In response to the state ban on hazing, the school's longstanding policy of don't ask-dont tell evolved into a crackdown of hazing activities." Was "Don't ask, don't tell" actually an official school policy? Can the two cases (in 1993 and 1999) since the state's 1983 ban (two cases in over two decades) be properly characterized as a "crackdown"? This sentence seems to be another example unverifiable statements and/or POV. Dragonfiend 19:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't ask, don't tell "policy" and "crackdown" 

message: If nothing else, the title still sucks. Anyone object to Fraternities and Sororities at the College of Wooster? A bit longer, but better syntax and accuracy. -R. fiend 17:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like an improvement to me. Friday (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I object, as properly speaking they are not fraternities and sororities, but "clubs and sections," because of active college policy against fraternities. Phil Sandifer 17:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then how about Student social organizations at the College of Wooster? "Greeks" is way too informal for an encyclopedia, and "Wooster Greeks" sounds like the name of the college as it currently stands. If you don't like this can you offer any other suggestion? -R. fiend 17:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Student social organizations would expand to include a bunch of other stuff, but might not be unreasonable. Greek life at the College of Wooster?  Phil Sandifer 17:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I wouldn't necessarily oppose info on other organizations being included, if anyone cares to add them (better than another separate article, at least), and I'm still not overly fond of the use of the kinda slangy "Greek" in there. Getting better though. -R. fiend 17:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Moving it now. Y'all been warned. -R. fiend 16:55, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Whatever improves the article.CastAStone 21:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: this edit looks like it might be vandalism, but it is possible that a student society in fact used such a motto. Can anyone source this, or else source a countrary statement? DES (talk) 21:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't source it. All I can tell you is that the IP did not come from the College of Wooster, but that doesn't mean much, as it could be a Woo graduate or something. --Jacqui★ 17:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: OK. Heres the deal as I understand it according to Wooster of the Middle West, The Index, and the first issues of the Wooster Voice from the 1991-92 and 1992-23 academic years.
1860s or 1870s - Ozarks form as dining group
1872 - Beta Theta Pi founds second Fraternity on Campus, most likely out of preestablished dining group, though no proof exists. First campus frat eventually dies well before ban of nationals.
1877 or 1887 depending on source - Delta Tau Delta officially colonizes Ozarks.
1912-1913 Academic year
*Feb 1913: College decided to ban nationals.
*March/April 1913: KKΓ decides its remaining girls will be "Peanuts" after 1913 graduation, first local organization on campus.
1913-1914 Academic year: 
*Sept/Oct 1913: Peanuts recieve recognition from college before anyone else even organizes
*Oct 1913: Remaining Delta Tau Delta members decide that the group was local once (Ozarks), and can be local again, reorganizes as the Lizards A.K.A. Zards (Later Phi Omega Sigma)  
*January 1914: Remaining Beta Theta Pi members decide to don Green and White, rename group to the similar sounding Beta Kappa Phi.
*January 1914: College denies recognition to Beta Kappa Phi.
*February 1914: College grants recognition to "The Kenarden First Section Men's Social Group" (paraphrase), which was the renamed Beta Kappa Phi group.
*March/April 1914: College grants recognition to "The Kenarden Fourth Section Men's Social Group" (paraphrase), or the Zards.
--CastAStone|(talk) 05:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phi Omega Sigma v. Beta Kappa Phi Founding 

message: I would like to offer for the record the history of Kappa Chi the website http://www.kx7krappers.com as a reference, specifically the history section which I researched as extensively as possible.  This was the result of many e-mail conversations I had with many ex-members, only a few of whom I mention.
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thread_title:  Kappa Chi additional external links 

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message: This is an old Talk page, but Wooster backers may still be tracking it for changes.  I wrote a new article, replacing one that had been deleted some years back, and which now lists all present and past Greek Letter societies, their Section and Club names, and the honor societies on the campus.  See List of fraternities and sororities at the College of Wooster. It is now hatlinked off the main Wooster article, which has a short summary. -Jax MN (talk) 22:55, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  In case you missed it...  Wooster