Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Archive 7

message: * Endorse this rm by Ian13 on 2006 September 1 of huge, loud, annoying bright red warning box attempting to goose-step all visitors into GUS. This sort of thing is truly divisive and inflammatory. John Reid 13:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That warning box is what caused me to be in a permanent state of confusion for the last 3 days. After reading the warning, as well as the GUS information, it seemed I had no choice. Thankfully I continued searching the Wikipedia pages, reading policy and trying to find my own consensus on what was being done. In the end, I avoided GUS at all costs. I oppose the warning box. It's overbearing and confusing. AuburnPilot 17:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Then remove it -- once. I've already taken my shot; I don't think I get another revert. John Reid 01:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loud annoying warning box 

message: Here's a userbox columns boilerplate I made for someone. Feel free to try it out. :-) Rfrisbietalk 23:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox columns boilerplate 

message: So All userboxes will no longer be templates, right?  They are all being put on users' pages?  I'm user 100110100; please respond there;  Thanks!68.148.165.213 14:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only useboxes that serve a distinct purpose in building Wikipedia as an encyclopedia will stay in template space. Other userboxes may appear on user pages, but not as templates. There will also be some specialized cases; userbox templates for wikiprojects will likely be kept on the project pages, for instance. Which userboxes qualify for template space and which don't is still being worked out. The straw poll at WP:GUSP is intended to provide some guidance in those decisions. -- Donald Albury 14:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's a bit misleading to say that they "will no longer be templates" - they exist as distinct template-like subpages in user space (and they are used exactly like templates, like  ) even though they're not "templates" because they're not in the "Template:" namespace.  The straw poll also appears to be contradicting Dalbury's generalization; humorous userboxes, for example, don't have any "distinct purpose in building Wikipedia" but are allowed in Template space instead of being restricted to user space.  (I continue to fail to see what effect any of this will have other than pacifying those against userboxes — which isn't bad, but it doesn't actually solve any of the problems that they were bringing up.) —AySz88\^-^ 15:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: To clarify things: after being moved into userspace the userboxes can still be transcluded - you will NOT have to subst them. Instead of writing template:user blabla you now have to write user:guy with userbox archive/boxarchive/blabla. Yes, its longer than just transcluding it from templatespace, but you only have to type it once, and there are no other functional changes. And it won't be deleted by  rouge admins. CharonX/talk 00:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I guess that's true, if you only count things written on policy pages as policy.  As we know, written policy tends to lag behind actual policy.  Meanwhile, there are certain realities that make it rather risky to create userboxes in template space, if you want them to not be summarily deleted by someone who views policy differently than you do. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates And Userboxes 

message: Ok, tell me with what criteria you guys use to include a category with a userbox, & with what criteria you guys use to exclude a category with a userbox.  What I'm saying is that some userboxes will list you in a category, some do not.  Tell me how do you guys decide which will and which will not.100110100 09:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no way to tell. Really, if one is created, it should be taken to CfD if someone wishes to remove it. Ian¹³/t 14:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tell Me 

message: Over the course of numerous edits to my userpage, I've failed dismally at making the baxground of my userbox grouping yellow. I don't mean the userboxes themselves, but the blue border and the background to the boxes within it. Could somebody please check my userpage and tell me how to do this? Kind regards, Crimsone 06:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at it now and see how you want to tweak it.  I did that by using  and  instead of . —AySz88\^-^ 06:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's absolutely wonderful. I really can't thank you enough for that. It's been bothering me for quite some time now, and it feels great to finally be able to have it display as I'd wished. You're an absolute star! I shall have to take a look at those templates later. I only wish I understood more about the markup, but even footnote3 confuses me at the moment. lol Crimsone 06:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box grouping background color 

message: According to my understanding, the main complaint by those opposed to Userboxes is that they are in template space. And since they can be transcluded even while not in template space, they should be moved "elsewhere".
I think userifying creates issues with WP:OWN, and it also may place a user who is keeping a collection of userfied userboxes to be placed inappropriately in categories to which that person does not belong.  Since there is a claim that they are useful to/for WikiProjects, I think placing them in userspace is like placing them into Fibber McGee's Closet, or into a Black hole. In addition, a single userbox may be useful to several different and varied WikiProjects.
Note: It has been mentioned that Subst: - ing userboxes can cause it to be more difficult to deal with fair use issues.
(Before I go on, for "full disclosure" reasons: I had this idea after seeing an apparent WP:POINT action, and I have not seen anything like this proposal anywhere else.)
I think the solution to it all would be to move them all: UBX, policies, proposals, and any other page which deals with the listing, usage, or standardization of them. 
Move them to subpages of Wikipedia:Userboxes.
This would remove all ambiguity of what they are and are not to be used for, and would give them a centralized locatable location.
Using the following structure:
*Wikipedia:Userboxes
**Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries
***Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries/galleryname
**Wikipedia:Userboxes/Userboxen (using the -en ending to disambiguate between the Userboxes page and the WikiProject page, and the userboxes themselves)
***Wikipedia:Userboxes/Userboxen/userboxname
**Wikipedia:Userboxes/Proposals
***Wikipedia:Userboxes/Proposals/proposalname
I think this should do exactly what is wanted by the supporters of WP:GUS, and will also deal (finally) with the concerns of the opposers of WP:GUS.
What do you all think? - jc37 00:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The main problem isn't them being in template space, it's them being in any official space, which makes them appear to be a sanctioned part of our project.  That means any project-related namespace.  There's another problem that many of us have with userboxes which has nothing at all to do with where their code is stored, but perhaps we should ignore that for the time being. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll keep my mouth shut, then. -- Donald Albury 01:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please define what you feel "official" means. - jc37 18:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anything but User: and User talk:.  I mean, that's what I meant by it. -GTBacchus(talk) 18:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal for a Quick Solution

message: Can anyone tell me how to keep my Babel template language box from being superimposed above/below other elements on the page? On my talk page, I'd like it to inhabit the same vertical space as the table of contents, i.e. above the discussion posts. I notice that a horizontal bar I inserted on my user page stops short of the language box, but the ones inserted automatically on the talk page by the post heading markup (=Post heading=) cut across the language box. I've tried some of my meager HTML repertoire to no avail. Thanks in advance for any help.--Eric 19:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You could try something like this.  Rfrisbietalk 21:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help controlling ubx position 

message: Hi peeps. I'm wondering how to design my userboxes with pictures. I'm not really sure of the process or of the code. Each time I pick up an image from the Commons and try to make a userbox the image won't shrink down and it ends up looking really stupid. Can someone please help me? OneWomanArmy--I was born in the Summer of Love when we took a trip and stepped on the moon 17:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Put the desired dimensions under the first parameter of the image: . 40 or 45 px usually works best for userboxen. Hope this helps. —Akrabbimtalk 17:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Grazie! Now I can create without having a HUMUNGOUS userbox. I'll try it and see what happens.  OneWomanArmy --I was born in the Summer of Love when we took a trip and stepped on the moon 18:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design of Boxes w/ Images from the Commons 

message: See Template talk:User NHL-Islanders (and put your reply there please). —EdGl 00:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a |} to the end of the code. It now seems to be working on your page just fine, at least from my end. ​​​​AuburnPilot​​​​Talk 01:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Worked; thanks! —EdGl 02:22, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help please 

message: Just an idea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%2AKat%2A/template/experiment
--*Kat* 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do you think of this? (Layout proposal for reducing the legnth of pages) 

message: Is there a way to get babel and the userboxes in the same box on the left - rather than having 2 different ones?
Feel free to subst out User:Crimsone/userbox to your userspace as a skeleton - a person here was kind enough to help me with the same :) --Crimsone 04:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Babel + Userboxes together?? 

message: I do not mean that so directly, but a situation arose that brings a question about userboxes. WP is a place where anyone can edit anything that is not protected, but userboxes seem like a slightly different situation because people create them based on their personal interests. The situation is, I slightly edited one and the creator quickly rv'ed it leaving me a polite message why. To him, his edit is the best because it is a direct quote for a movie. My edit, which changed only the first word, seemed more appropriate to me because it flowed with the style of most other userboxes that say "This user is....". It is only one userbox and a small edit. I can let it go instead of trying to edit again out of spite, but I think you see the dilemma. Are both of us correct or is he more correct as the creator? And aren't situations like this the reason Template substitution was created? -- CobraWiki 04:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *You could always subst out the template to your userspace and edit it there to suit your own particular preference.Crimsone 01:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *If it's a widely used userbox, my suggestion would be to copy the code to a subpage where you can make the changes you like. You can then use it on your userpage without disrupting other people's pages. I've done just this with the userboxes  and . I liked the design/look of the first one, and the proud part of the second one, so I copied the code to a subpage and created this box, , which is a combination of the two. This also avoids having to subst the boxes, which makes a userpage difficult to edit. -- AuburnPilottalk 01:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Userboxes Personal Property? 

message: Considering the arguements about "official" namespaces, and such, I find the existance of this category up for CfD ironic. - jc37 11:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Continued irony

message: Can someone please tell me what happened to the userbox "User: YTMND"? It has been deleted but I couldn't find any information regarding the deletion of the box. I looked in multiple talk pages but couldn't find anything. Thanks.--the marble 03:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  YTMND Userbox 

message: How do you incorporate an image into your own design of userbox?  I've tried several different ways and nothing works - it always shows what I typed instead of summoning the image itself. And there's nothing in the instructions that shows an alternative to having text appear. GBC 23:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, GBC. I noticed a typo on your grouping box, so I fixed that.  Where's the userbox you're working on? I'll take a look. Rfrisbietalk 23:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How to

message: Alright, I've made the userboxes. So, say if I make a userbox that says "This User is a Wikipedian", how do I mak it so all you have to do to get it is type {Wikipedian}, then how do I make it so having that userbox will make the bottom of your page say "Category:Wikipedians"? Leave the answer on my talk page please. Thank you. --MasterA113 01:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Replied on your talk. — xaosflux Talk 01:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HELP ME! PLEASE! 

message: What happened to the religious, philosophical, or political userboxes?
:The Userbox migration happened.  See User:GRBerry/Userbox migration and User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes for a start. Rfrisbietalk 20:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious/Philosophical/Political Userboxes