Talk:Military Order of William

message: I have just given a better translation for "moed"... . It was originally translated as "Conspicuous Bravery". I have no clue where the "conspicuous" part comes from, so it should be left out altogether, and I think a slightly better translation of "moed" is not "bravery" but "courage". However, as is so often the case with translating typically Dutch words into English (a lot of which are not even translatable or are, in some way, "non-words", even though they definitely are not non-words in Dutch because they add to the "mood"), I couldn't think of satisfying translations for "beleid" ("leadership" really doesn't come close... I'd say "prudence" is a much better translation) and "trouw" ("trust" is better, IMO). Addition: "beleid"... I'd say that another Dutch word that comes close to what "beleid" means is "weloverwogenschap"... . But that, of course, is only shifting the problem. I still say "prudence" is a much better translation.
Quote 1: "I have just given a better translation for "moed" ", end of quotation. Here we see a self appointed authority in translations at work. The result is rubbish. Quote 2: "I have no clue where the "conspicuous" part comes from", end of quotation. Indeed, he has no clue. The 'For Conspicuous Bravery, Leadership and Devotion to Duty' is exactly the wording used officially by Her Majesty The Queen in her speech on 31 May 2006, see http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/content.jsp?objectid=16244.
Well, both/neither of you are/is right. The English version is just a translation of the speech she actually delivered on that day, namely this one: http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/content.jsp?objectid=16245. You will see that 'voor daden van bijzondere moed en beleid' in the penultimate paragraph is translated as 'for conspicuous bravery, leadership and devotion to duty', and in the last paragraph 'voor Moed, Beleid en Trouw' as 'for acts of conspicuous bravery and leadership'. The first one isn't the official motto (or whatever it's called) of the badge. The second is official in Dutch, but the word 'Trouw' has been omitted in the translation. Adding to this the fact that the word 'beleid' doesn't mean leadership (but either 'policy', or more archaically and relevantly 'prudence', 'careful consideration'), I think it's safe to say that neither can be considered the 'official' translation. Therefore, I see no problem in making our own (better) translation - 'for Courage/Bravery, Prudence/Care and Loyalty'. 84.53.74.196 20:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voor Moed, Beleid en Trouw 

message: The article suggests that 'Military William Order' is the official translation. However, the Dutch Ministry of Defense suggests that Military Order of William is the correct English translation. I suspect that the article needs a little rewriting and renaming in that respect. See also this Category renaming discussion. effeietsanders 14:35, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Google Ngram has results for "Military Order of William" but none for "Military William Order". – Fayenatic London 14:47, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  official name in English 

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message: I updated the rank of Gijs Tuinman from Maj. to LtCol. I know that in the past, the rank was consistently kept at the rank when the MWO was awarded. However, Maj.Kroon was a captain at the time, and this was also updated, and the text did not reflect a consistency. Also given the fact that this is focused about who's alive today, it seems more appropriate to mention current day rank. effeietsanders 21:42, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
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