Talk:Mitpaḥat

message: The last section of the article, the one about the Torah, makes it seem that covering the hair was a practice specifically mandated in scripture. My understanding of the laws of Tzniut was that the Torah commands modesty, but does not actually say what modesty entails, and the rabbis have, throughout history, offered their own interpretations of what is specifically required. If in fact the Torah does command women to cover their hair once they marry, then there needs to be some citing of chapter and verse. Draganta (talk) 05:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In that section, Torah is used to refer to Jewish law as a whole, including the written Torah, the Talmud, and later books and responsa. That section does need cleanup, but mostly to re-render the text into a neutral POV that does not assume the reader is a practicing Orthodox Jew. I might not get around to cleaning it up, so WP:Be Bold! ArthurDenture (talk) 05:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: last section of article

message: Anybdy mind if I expand this a little, and remove the crazy TM names for tying stuff bit at the end, or at least explain it a bit more? Basejumper 22:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all - you never need to ask permission to improve an article :)--DLandTALK 05:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anybody mind

message: Does anyone think this article should be merged with Sheitel under the topic of Head Coverings for Jewish Woman? That would correspond to the Hebrew article on the subject, כיסוי ראש לנשים.BenPlotke (talk) 01:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Merge it with headscarf. That article shows examples from many countries and cultures. We should not have separate articles for each culture where headscarves are used. --Ettrig (talk) 08:42, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No. It should not be merged at all. Jewish head coverings are a world unto their own, and a cultural phenomenon that deserves a separate article. A tichel is not just a "headscarf," and it is certainly not the same as a sheitel.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does not show that it is very different. Actually it is already included in the headscarf article. The phenomenon, that is. Not the word. The word is not needed, because this is the english language Wikipedia and tichel seems to be a jiddish word.--Ettrig (talk) 10:30, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

text: It is indeed a Yiddish word, but it is used all over the world among English-speaking Jews. The word "scarf" or "headscarf" does not have the same connotation as "tichel." The article is far from complete, which may explain why you don't see a real difference. In the Jewish world, the type of tichel worn can speak volumes about what community a woman comes from. It is visibly different from the headscarves worn by Muslim women, Indian women, Russian women, Turkish women, African women, and the list goes on. So yes, it should be included in the headscarf article, but it should also have an article of its own, the same way that different styles of hats have self-standing articles.--Geewhiz (talk) 10:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good argument for a paragraph in headscarf about the headscarf in Jewish/Israeli culture, not for a separate article. --Ettrig (talk) 15:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Sheitel 

message: The sound shift from ü to i has nothing to do with Eastern Europeans. Delabialization of rounded front vowels is something which happened in most Southern German dialects, which Yiddish is related to. Cf. Bavarian "Tiachl" - no ü there either. So the shifts from ü and ö to i and e are a common heritage of Southern German and Yiddish. 84.114.128.194 (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology: phonetics error

message: Most women who wear a tichel do not show any hair, which is why the tichel is used in the first place.  It is part of modest dress.  Some women will wear a stretchy skullcap underneath to help prevent the showing of hair beneath a tightly knotted tichel.  It might be nice to have a photo showing a woman from the front, wearing a tichel in the proper manner.  There are also special volume expanding caps that can be worn underneath to give the illusion that you have thicker or longer hair. These are some issues that might be useful to add into the article to help distinguish the tichel from other forms of head dress.LiPollis (talk) 22:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  An additional photo would be helpful