Talk:Lycurgus

message: When was the town or city state of Sparta founded?
:It existed in Mycenean times already and is a key player mentioned in the Iliad, but the Dorian conquerors who founded what we think of as "Spartan culture" arrived probably in the 11th century. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled and ill-formed Thread 

message: This page needs to cite sources.
I'd re-edit, but i haven't time
Was first to make crepes? I'd like to see the citation for that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.170.213.62 (talk) 15:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Which also doesn't match the current content. 72.228.150.44 (talk) 02:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citing sources

message: This whole section has gone without sourcing, and it's quite obvious it is a whole personal opinion. The majority of what's being said in this section is still being debated amongst historians, and the author of this is speaking as if it were definite fact. It needs some SERIOUS editing.
-Jezzk (talk) 10:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the text noteworthy but had a different original take (before the first placement of the tag) and I've adjusted the scope and made the type of the tag specific to the complaint above. My reading was that the author was a modern greek and was recounting their understanding of their own traditional culture. Lycurgus (talk) 14:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: pretty sure all of the biography is from Plutarch's 'Greek Lives'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.180.235.3 (talk) 17:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think some of it goes beyond Plutarch and some of his sources survive I believe, but will remove tag and replace with in-line fact check if no further comment. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 02:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  None having occurred, did remove. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 13:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography 

message: Certain conservative 19th century writers, such as Jean-Joseph Gaume, have claimed that Lycurgus exercized an influence on modern political philosophy, his legacy being later revived by Enlightenment authors such as Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Voltaire. It would be a good idea if anybody could verify such claims, since they seem to imply that comparatively new ideologies, such as socialism and communism, actually have ancient Greek roots. ADM (talk) 11:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence on modern political philosophy

message: Nothing about Lycurgus giving the spartans their iron money? 24.36.78.185 (talk) 03:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think in the legendary timeline of the development of Sparta that came after the time of Lycurgus. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 12:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iron money 

message: This article should be edited from the floor up or deleted. The article is substantially unsourced (as other contributors to this page have pointed out) and is little more than a medley of legends and folk-tales surrounding Lycurgus, some of which have their origins well outside of the temporal or cultural context of the classical world. There is obviously a place for 'according to speculation in the 19th century' type information within such an article, but such information has to be acknowledged as being ahistorical rather than presented as fact. My view is that allowing this article to remain intact detracts from the integrity of Wikipedia. It's tantamount to presenting 16th century ballads about Robin Hood as verified biographical fact.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.92.181 (talk) 19:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds almost a little like me but FTR, it's not. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 11:42, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed with non-me. We know nothing about Lycurgus for a fact; we should instead be stating who believed him to have done what. What we can also document is what different historians think of his role as a semi-mythical figure: what does the image of Lycurgus tell us about the Greeks? Feketekave (talk) 20:13, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Compare with the rather good article about Solon. Feketekave (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion? 

message: I had to read this article twice to find the one fact I came looking for: the dates of Lycurgus' life. When I did find this information -- the first half of the 8th century -- it is tagged as being unsourced. Sigh. I examined my copy of the Oxford Classical Dictionary & found there are two possible dates (both based on early traditions): Herodotus states Lycurgus was the guardian of the Agiad king Leobotes (fl. 900 BC), while later writers associate him with the Eurypontid Charillos (c. 775 BC). If I find no one else updates this article, based on these leads, I guess I'll have to do it in my own Copious Spare Time. -- llywrch (talk) 06:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  An almost absent detail 

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message: Is this Lycurgus the primary topic for the name? I would think so. It seems rather evident from the page view statistics. Ifly6 (talk) 13:56, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly, though there are rather a lot of other mentions, as well as Lycurgus Cup (WikiNav) Iskandar323 (talk) 07:44, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In the specific context of the cup  means something else; I don't think outside that context, when someone says  one would think of the somewhat obscure king of Sparta rather than the subject of Plut. Lyc. Ifly6 (talk) 14:46, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary topic 

message: i've removed most of the content of this article as blatant WP:OR that uncritically tried to use primary source data (Plutarch) to report a variety of fanciful myths and legends in wikivoice. Psychastes (talk) 01:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:STUBIFY]] article 

message: After some hiatus, I was (and now once again am) working on a rewrite at User:Ifly6/Lycurgus. Comments on that are appreciated. Ifly6 (talk) 18:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I copied the draft over the stub. Significant work is needed on the Legacy section, preferably with reference to journals or books on classical reception. I will continue to work on the topic but am currently somewhat burnt out. Ifly6 (talk) 15:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite