Talk:Kiwifruit/Archive 1

message: "However, New Zealand growers began calling it the kiwifruit in 1962 to give it more marketing appeal, and in 1974 the name kiwifruit was adopted as the trade name."
Wasn`t the USA fight against everythink what may be communist?
So was the fruit renamed from chinensis to a neutral name because of this hysterie?
"Originally called Chinese gooseberry, the fruit was renamed by exporters to avoid confusion with the green gooseberry and to identify it more closely with New Zealand."
http://www.showcook.co.za/kiwi_tart.htm
At least it seems that exporters, some spoke that it was the New Zealands economic ministery which renamed it.
--RobertMichel
:No - the fruit were renamed by New Zealand fruit importers and exporters Turners and Growers Ltd, not by the economic ministry  Goldfinger820 23:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name history 

message: I think this page should be moved to Actinidia - only one species in the genus is called 'kiwifruit', and even that only usually in the fruit production & sale industry. Few gardeners use 'kiwifruit' when growing Actinidia species as ornamentals. The name is also rather confusing, as it suggests a New Zealand origin for this East Asian genus. Anyone object to my doing so? MPF 14:36, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this page should remain - non actinidia experts need to refer to a common name.  I will put refs to A. chinensis and A. arguta (baby kiwifruit)as these are becoming alot more common as varietes for fruit production  Goldfinger820 23:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page name

message: What happened to :Image:kiwifruit.jpg? It seems to be deleted/missing. :Image:Kiwifruitlg.jpg is still there... --Joy [shallot] 19:43, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess someone killed it for that other image (which, I'm sorry, I think is inferior).  Oh well.  Koyaanis Qatsi 06:24, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  images 

message: Everything on the ZESPRI website shows the word in captitals, so I've change the article. --MJW 62.25.102.1 13:10, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ZESPRI 

message: The main page at the ZESPRI website is titled "Kiwi Fruit from ZESPRI International, New Zealand Kiwifruit - Recipes, Organic Fruit & Nutrition", and uses the word "kiwifruit" four times in the page text.  This does not seem to be an attempt to do away with the term "kiwifruit", as the names section currently implies.
Pekinensis 18:29, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ZESPRI again 

message: the teacher of my fraind sayed what the kiwi is maked with genetic enginner, it is true? please sorry me because my englich is bed because i am from Peru
*No this is wrong
From what I've heard, kiwis are minimally genetically modified from their natural fruit.  The so-called "organic kiwis" you may find overpriced in a supermarket (and remarkably small) are not very different from the usual supermarket variety - mainly the organic ones are smaller.  Pesticides usually are not needed, except possibly for undergrowth. 170.63.96.108 20:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: question!!

message: One section tells that actinidin is quickly destroyed by boiling the fruit.
Another section tells that kiwi juice is "ideal as a meat tenderiser when roasting".
Is this not a contradiction? How can kiwi tenderise while roasting if enzymes are quickly destroyed by temperature?
--Grzes 01:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is indeed a very effective meat tenderiser, but as a marinade before roasting, not during. Do you want to change the article? Cheers. Moriori 02:48, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I'll try it. Grzes 14:14, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK, most meat tenderisers are enzymes in any case, the intention is always to tenderise the meat before cooking... Nil Einne 12:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actinidin 

message: Before reading this article, I had come across these three statements:
* Kiwi fruit come from China.
* The kiwi fruit is also known as the Chinese gooseberry.
* Chinese gooseberries come from New Zealand.
Ever since, I've been wondering which statements are correct.  Another possibility I've thought up is that it's similar to hurricane/cyclone/typhoon in that the name depends on where the particular specimen comes from.
The information in the article is contradictory: History states that it's native to China and was introduced to NZ, while the infobox gives NZ as the origin.
Can anyone shed any light, either on the correctness of the various statements of origin or on how the above three divergent statements came about? -- Smjg 15:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Check Granny Smith apple. The infobox says it's origin is Australia, despite us knowing that it's an apple  and the ancestor of all apples malus sieversii come from China (among other Asian places). I guess they mean it was developed in Oz, which it was. But it's the same with kiwifruit. The plants came from China, but the very successful kiwifruit fruit which is marketed worldwide today was developed in NZ. Moriori 01:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm.  Does this mean that the term "kiwifruit" correctly refers only to the cultivars, which were developed in NZ, and not to the wild A. deliciosa?  If so, then the information makes sense, but could certainly do with clarification.  And consequently, sources claiming that kiwifruit come from China are effectively wrong.  The Granny Smith apple, OTOH, is obviously just one variety of apple, and it goes without saying that its birthplace doesn't have to be the same as that of its ancestor. -- Smjg 18:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's probably safe to say "The ancestor of the kiwi fruit came from China" or something similar.  218.162.119.70 05:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually I believe a competition was held to come up with the name. Using kiwifruit to tenderise meat indeed works, as does pineapple and other fruits with similar enzymes Nil Einne 10:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The origin, the names 

message: why does kiwi burn my mouth when i eat a few Fresh Kiwi?
-fentendo
:That would be the protein-dissolving enzymes in the kiwifruit.  Pineapple has the same effect. --Pekaje 22:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why? 

message: So...I was just thinking today,why there is hair on a kiwi`s skin? I haven`t find the answer yet.
But probably someone will know,and I hope he/she will tell me=)
Ok...thanks and bye.
 
Lauri from Finland. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.239.167.216 (talk) 22:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiwi hair 

message: Found those things in the supermarket today, grape sized green kiwi fruit with very smooth, green skin that's to be eaten whole. 
Does anyone know much about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.54.88.119 (talk) 06:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiwiberry 

message: Those are baby kiwis -- the fruit picked at an especially young stage while it is still small.  They are generally eaten whole and have a very soft flesh and taste very much like "adult" kiwi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.122.49.35 (talk) 07:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually kiwiberrys are a new variety, developed by HortResearch I believe Nil Einne 10:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Kiwiberry 

message: Found this article about red (well red/green) kiwis ,  that somebody might like to research more and include in article. I might do it myself whem I have time. 89.240.13.68 10:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red kiwi fruit? 

message: Why the map does not show Russia and India as producers?--Dojarca 16:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map 

message: Do many eat it with skin, I for one have never heard of it before this article! Phgao 12:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: eating fruit

message: The first part of Kiwifruit#History, "Actinidia deliciosa is native to so", is almost unreadable because the map covers the bottom half of the letters, and the gray border colors most of the rest, with a line going through the top of the letters. I presume the problem depends on how my computer displays text, so the problem may or may not occur on your computer. Art LaPella 04:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreadable

message: Where are the sources for the "Melonette" name?  It's almost laughable that it is included alongside "Chinese Gooseberry", a word that is in most dictionaries as a synonym for the Kiwi. A Google search for "Melonette" turns up a measly 819 pages, many of which are not even in English and have nothing to do with the Kiwi. Seems far-fetched to me.-DMCer 06:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Laughable? Far fetched? Please read the ref. Moriori 06:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ref says "1959 Auckland-based fruit packers Turners and Growers briefly named the fruit "melonette," but changed it to the Maori word "kiwi" when they learned of import tariffs applied to melons." I have therefore deleted the reference to the name from the intro as Originally  known as the "Chinese Gooseberry" or "Melonette" is very different from Originally  known as the "Chinese Gooseberry" and very briefly called "Melonette" some decades later.  I left it further down in the history section, but it should also be removed from the front page blurb. jnestorius(talk) 21:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Admirable. I'm satisfied.-DMCer 22:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melonette?! 

message: I made an edit today changing the infobox to reflect the kiwifruit's taxonomical information; this is in line with similar articles rated highly, such as black pepper (a FA) and apple , orange (both B-Class), as well as finding it to be a convention for the majority of articles on fruit. It also feels more detailed and complete. Baristaofnz 07:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I have reverted to the last version due to some subtle vandalism which had changed China to India throughout the article. eg. "Originally known as the Indian Gooseberry"
0sd0 (talk) 00:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert 

message: I just changed text on Chinese kiwifruit production. China is now (2008) likely the world's largest kiwifruit producer by some projections. I cited the two Huang and Ferguson articles. Coriolis 20080403  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coriolis (talk • contribs) 20:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  China production 

message: The oxalic acid content (which causes the fruit to sting the tongue of many people) should be mentioned in the article. Badagnani (talk) 23:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Oxalic acid]] content 

message: This isn't addressed in the article:
If I grow kiwifruit plants from seeds, how & when can I determine the sex of the plant ?
Do I have to wait until flowers are produced ?
DaveDodgy (talk) 04:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexing seedlings 

message: The map and table do not agree, especially with regard to the top three producers.  Assuming the table to be correct, New Zealand's output (expressed as a percentage of the top producer Italy) is around 58% and that of Chile approximately 31%, yet the map indicates both as being 10%.  Is it possible to have finer gradations for the map?
Frikdt (talk) 16:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production statistics 

message: Is the Hairy Bush Fruit for real? "Hairy bush" redirects to pubic hair. So is the Chinese name really referring to pubic hair, or is this something that ought to be fixed?
When I did work for the NZ Kiwifruit Commission in the early 80's and met with NZ growers, they told a funny story the the jealous Aussies referred to Kiwifruit as gorilla balls.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradrobt (talk • contribs) 22:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hairy Bush" Fruit? 

message: As per Malus domestica, Citrus ×sinensis... Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 01:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. --222.35.86.93 (talk) 15:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Oppose. They are both deserving of their own articles. One is about the plant and one is about the fruit and commercial aspects (or that is how it should be). -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: There's a discussion above about which of the candidate lead images for this article would be most representative and useful, and which can be an FP. Your participation would be appreciated. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 17:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/File:Kiwi aka.jpg]] 

message: Why is "kiwifruit" one word? its commonly known as 2 words.(Lihaas (talk) 06:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the fruit and functional food industries, it's been one word since the origin of the name in 1959 -- see Ref. 2.--Zefr (talk) 10:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  page move 

message: Under 'Cultivars', it is stated that Zespris are better than Zespri green kiwifruits. Shouldnt it be that Zespri Golds are better than green kiwifruits? LoLegion (talk) 08:04, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong name? 

message: I have Kiwi like vines growing well in New England USA but cant identify them. The 1/2 inch fruit looks like Kiwi. So please put a picture of a real Kiwi vine leaf in here.
Also, are their any related Kiwi predecessor specie names I should now about?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.156.117.238 (talk) 01:03, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does Kiwi stem look like?