Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 1

message: :After some quick searching, here's some computer game articles that I believe could represent what other articles should look like:
* Wolfenstein 3D
* Counter-Strike
* Deus Ex
* LOOM
* Pong
* Space Invaders
:--Mrwojo 05:11, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: May I also point to DOOM? :) Fredrik 00:42, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's turned into a good article. ;) --Mrwojo 17:41, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Archetypes

message: There doesn't seem to be much standarization with video game entries. The matter of mod's makes it harder. How a mods orginal game are included, as well as the orginal game publisher or studio are all up in the air. Also should the console name be included for games that have multiple or slightly different versions on each box?
some formats that are used right now, or possible.
    * Forgotten Hope (mod)
    * Forgoten Hope (game)
    * Forgotten Hope
    * Computer Game Forgotten Hope (PC)
    * Forgotten Hope Battlefield 1942 mod
    * EA Battlefield 1942 Forgotten Hope
    * Battlield 1942: Forgotten Hope
    * Electronic Arts Dice Battlefield 1942, mod Forgotten Hope 
--> *Forgotten Hope, A Battlefield 1942 Mod
I think i favor just using whatever the game calls itself, which is pretty much whats happened anyway. The only problem being some games and mods have name conflicts. 'New World Order' ended up with 'New World Order (game)' for example. 
:My thoughts on these topics: When making an article, just use the name of the game/mod for the name of the article. Only use descriptors such as "(game)" when there is an article name-clash. If you do need a descriptor for a mod, I think "(game)" or "(computer game)" would be sufficient unless the name clashes with an existent computer game, then use "(mod)". Simply Forgotten Hope would be best.
:With mods, I would consider them games just like the originals, but make it clear in the article that it is a mod of another game. Watch out not to use the word mod in a POV way though (I've heard people dismiss games for merely being a mod of a 'real' game).
:If a game has been released for multiple platforms, then I would start by focusing on the main/first platform. For example: Splinter Cell is a video game that was released for the Xbox in 2002. Elsewhere in the article, mention other platforms it was on, release dates, changes made, etc. --Mrwojo 05:11, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Standarization

message: Policy suggestion: information along the lines of what specific moves you can do and what buttons you use for them should be moved to WikiBooks game guides. Fredrik 00:46, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and maybe generalize the idea to mere lists of stats as well (a problem found StarCraft unit articles and sometimes Pokémon articles). Extensive strategy guides are better suited for WikiBooks as well, but some strategy is always useful for understanding the game. --Mrwojo 17:41, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Policy suggestion

message: I'd be interested in joining the project, if only as a way to spread the load on the articles I've worked on. Many articles on older games are stubs, and filling them out is beyond my means (though I've tried my hand at Duck Hunt, Space Harrier, and 1942). 
I've also been busy adding screenshots, mostly to the more famous older games, like Mortal Kombat, and to characters like Mega Man, Ryu or Koopa Troopa. I try to use PNGs (created myself) and thumbnails, but what should be the policy on this? With some of the characters, I've used tables, because the pics were already small. ~ FriedMilk 15:16, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and add yourself to the list! What you've said about images sounds fine; you should write a proposal policy. --Mrwojo 23:57, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Join project

message: Central issue: should video game and computer game be merged into computer and video games? There has been discussion about this, but I don't think concensus was reached. Fredrik 00:32, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, that's a big one. --Mrwojo 01:50, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: No no no no no. We've been over this a hundred times, and it's like people are unable to comprehend the distinction. We have separate articles North America and United States for a reason, we don't make it North America and United States, "because, you know, the US is the part of North America that most people think of". Stan 15:55, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge video and computer game articles?

message: I propose that we use only "video game" in the title of articles that cover both computer and video games, and that "computer game" should only be used for computer games and strictly computer-game topics. Examples:
* Timeline of video games
* Video game industry
* Boss (video game)
* Civilization (computer game)
* Modification (computer game) (hypothetically, if modification wasn't unambiguous)
The primary advantage of this is, of course, that it keeps titles short and that it's basically what we've done so far - so no need to rename old articles and force people to change their habits. People are also probably more likely to look for "video game". Fredrik 16:18, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you Fredrik.  The hierarchy could then be:
*Video Games
**Console Games (Nes, Snes, PSX, Xbox etc.)
**Arcade Games
**Computer Games
With the scope of this project being all video games.  Perhaps the project name should be changed to Video and Computer games then to make Computer games subordinate to the larger concept of video games. --ShaunMacPherson 15:51, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: Well, the computer gamers visiting Wikipedia will be totally contemptuous; call someone who plays The Operational Art of War a "video gamer" and he'll likely bust a tactical nuke over your head... :-) There are non-visual computer games and video games based on raw electronics instead of computing devices, so the two categories are not the same. (It's remarkable that anybody would have a tough time grasping the distinction.) Stan 21:28, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That game remains a computer game specifically, we're just saying that the more general subjects relating to both computer and video games should be grouped under video games. Fredrik 15:32, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: "Video game" for articles that cover both

message: Wrote up the Tapwave Zodiac entry.  Paraprhased the hardware specs as much as possible to avoid copyright violation.  Are hardware specs lists copyrighted?  As is first full entry for me, appreciate any input. Thanks.
MSTCrow 06:18, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
:No, lists cannot be copyrighted.  That is why we can lift filmographies directly from the IMDb without any copyright haggles.  Lists are merely rolls of information and are not creative. —Frecklefoot 16:19, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
::That is exactly right.  As well facts and figures cannot be copyrighted as well. :) --ShaunMacPherson 14:17, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Tapwave Zodiac

message: Man, this project seems dead. No activity, no improvements. :-( For a while, we were having a lively discussion on the proposed template, but that has died out.  I think I scared everyone off once I started making radical changes.  I'd like to pick that up again and come up with a template we can all agree on.  Anyone interested in picking up on this again?  I have some ideas that might make it a whole lot easier (such as, a special template for "old" computer games, a similar but seperate one for PC games, etc.).  Please let me know! :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:33, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
*I like the idea of a template. But I'll leave the details to you experts. I'm practically a one-author man, I'm afraid. Not many of us 63-year-olds still "waste" time with Colonization (game) and Sid's other earlies. Robin Patterson 06:13, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead project?

message: You know how the movie infobox has a iMDB link and the TV show infobox has a TV.com summary link shouldn't there be one for a video game infobox like its Gamespot gamespace or IGN profile. I know its had to have been talked about before...Coasttocoast 03:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: datebase/profile link, its been suggested right?

message: Hello, I made a template for the racing simulations by Papyrus Design Group. I nicked the basic format from the Maxis/SimUniverse template.
Can you think of any ways to improve this template?
I'm going to make it a project to add information on as many of these sims as possible, as racing simulations are sort of my forte.
-- Guroadrunner 10:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I made a template (how might you improve it?) 

message: Many other infoboxes have an Official Website as a field, it only makes sense to have the same for videogames. Thoughts? SaintDaveUK (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox: Website