Talk:Republika Srpska/Archive 2

message: I decided to open a new headline because in the discussion above (Intolerant name? Intolerant insignia?; please read for context) we came across a very important question which needs to be answered. As I said before, I always thought that Republika Srpska is supposed to be a form of territorial autonomy for the Bosnian Serbs at its core (without this element there is on other purpose for its existence as far as I can see). I say "at its core" in de facto context, recognizing that there is a discrepancy in real life between what something is on a piece of paper and what it really is on the ground (examples are constitutional definitions). Now Dado is raising a possibility that I had a wrong impression about Republika Srpska in the last ten (or so) years since I first heard about Dayton and Bosnia's entities, and that Republika Srpska never was (or never was envisioned; by whom?) a form of territorial autonomy for the Bosnian Serbs. I would now like to hear input from other people on this issue as well. Is Republika Srpska in its essence a form of territorial autonomy for the Bosnian Serbs, and if not - what exactly is it supposed to be?
I did not intend to claim that RS was or was not a form of territorial autonomy for the Bosnian Serbs.  That was besides my point and an assumption that you have made.--Dado 01:36, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. In that case let me ask you directly to avoid any confusion: Dado is Republika Srpska a form of territorial autonomy for the Bosnian Serbs?
I refer the answer to your question to whoever wants to answer it.  My intent was to take claims assumed in my name out of this context.--Dado 02:25, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republika Srpska: a form of territorial autonomy for the Bosnian Serbs or not? 

message: Hm. We now have a picture from a camp in the main article. If the trend continues, next there will be mass graves and beheaded bodies. I am concerned that this is turning the main article into a propaganda page - even a Wikipedia entry for Nazi Germany has no pictures of camps and atrocities, and there are plenty. This really has no place in the main article. A Wikipedia article about war crimes and atrocities committed by the Bosnian Serbs (and others) should exist, but it should be a stand-alone and link to this page. Please do not post such pictures here because it is not appropriate, but create a separate article and provide a link.
: I agree, I made a stub for Omarska. --Joy [shallot] 21:28, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures from the camps in the main article? 

message: Please stop making these unsubstantiated reversions and changes on a daily basis.  Firstly, (and most importantly) your changes are riddled with grammatic errors which demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of the English language and the meaning of some of the original text you keep trying to change, which you erroneously dub as "vandalism in action" (whatever that means). "In 2005, goverment of Republika Srpska refuse proposal for integrated police systems." Sentences of this poor nature have no place in the article, considering I have already expressed the rejection of the integration proposals in a grammatically correct manner.  Secondly, your repeated reversions with respect to Banja Luka being the capital is a product of two things: an apparent lack of understanding of the unreverted paragraph which states that Banja Luka is the capital in the first place, and your refusal to provide a documented source that the constitution has been amended.  Article 9 of the constitution names Sarajevo as the capital of Republika Srpska.  I can find no evidence of an amendment to article 9 of the constitution in 2003 or any other time. The WP article already states that Banja Luka is the de facto capital of the state, there is no need for your constant (and grammatically incorrect) reversions stating an unproven change of capital in this manner.  Your other changes are simply POV and nothing more, the fact remains that other Bosnians as objectively offended by some of the insignia.  I have no horse in that race (not even being Slavic) - it is just a fact. Also note that this has been previously debated.--Nicodemus75 13:56, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a semantic irrelevancy. "Detention Camp" and "Concentration Camp" are the same thing.--Nicodemus75 10:23, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to oxford dictionary, it is not. So, please use official ICTY terms. --81.93.75.129 10:08, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

text: This issue has already been debated and concensus reached by previous editors. The content of the article on Bosnia and Hercegovina is irrelevant to the contents of this article.  I could care less what is or is not contained in that article or indeed if it has an article at all, for the purposes of stating factual and verifiable information in this article.  "I" am not going to go "add" sentences to some other article because you want them there - if you wish to edit some other article, go ahead but contents of other articles have no relationship to your chronic unsubstantiated and poorly worded reversions here.--Nicodemus75 10:23, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronic bad reverts and changes by anonymous user 81.93.75.129 

message: Republika Srpska population info that I posted in the article can be found in a purchased copy of CIA 2005 factbook (September 20th, 2005). Basic scaled-down country information (in this case for Bosnia-Herzegovina) can be found  online. Please do not remove information as 'poor' and 'unconvincing' - it is available in print and official.
I was referring Nikola's edits and mistakenly deleted your edits.  Sorry for confusion. Could you also sign your edits.  It feels strange talking to an IP address.  Thanks --Dado 16:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  RS population information 

message: For the RS government's list of municipalities, see .
For the Constitutional Court decision (in English), see case U 44-01 decided September 21, 2004, at .
24.30.82.211 18:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: RS Municipalities

message: Could person who added the section about Administrative Units clarify the name Republican.  In english this word has different meanings from what may had been the intent of adding the name in this article and as it is currently used in the article it may be missleading and unclear.  Plase provide original untranslated word.  Thanks --Dado 21:22, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republican Administrative Units 

message: "Incorrect! it was never recognised as a state. if u have something relevant to show (as an international official document) show us! and dont delete parts before discussion"
First you learn what an state is and then talk. Republika Srpska is internationally recognized as an "entity", but this entity is a state, not independent one, but it is a state within the Confederation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. User:PANONIAN
:::Bosnia is defined in the Deyton agreement not as a confederation, nor RS is defined as a state. Maybe you have some other official documents? Emir Arven 13:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it was not true and this is not the article about Federation. Momcilo Krajisnik, one of the many Serb leaders that are now awaiting the trial in ICTY for War Crimes, invited the Serbs to move from Federation to RS. This saying is recorded, and DISS (Serb organization from Sarajevo) said that Serbs moved to RS because of his invitation and they are now sorry for that. Emir Arven 13:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Bull shit. The government in Sarajevo was the government of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the only legal and multiethnic government which was recognized by UN and the international community. On the other hand Serb rebellious government commited genocide in Srebrenica, and confessed that in 2005. Emir Arven 13:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You shouldnt behave like a vandal. Wikipedia is not a place for wars, I understand that Serb nationalists think so, but it is really sad. You should give some useful contribution, not just lies and propaganda. The whole world is aware what has happened in Bosnia during the war. There is ICTY and around 120 Serbs, War Criminals, there. They had the sam story that you tell us here now. Don't be so pathetic. Emir Arven 13:58, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I am fed up with Serb nationalism and their lunatics who spread lies and incorrect information. You didn't show us any relevant document which says that RS is a state. It is just your POV. Entity, canton or a province are not the states. The first victim was not a Serb, they were Bosnian Croats in the village called Ravno in 1991, when Serb army destroyed the village and killed their people. After that there were Bosniak victims in Bijeljina and eastern Bosnia. And Radovan Karadzic in October 1991. said that the Serbs would killed Bosniaks and destroy Bosnia and Herzegovina. Emir Arven 13:29, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Emir, maybe you should, at least from time to time, engage in discussion, and not just ramble about Serb nationalists. Just a suggestion. Nikola 19:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Emir Arven

message: "nobody ever won in revert war with me" are you people 5 year old.  Take your blinds off.  Nobody presented a counterarguement since my last comment--Dado 21:58, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute 

message: Republika Srpska is in Media and for Bosnians all over the world viewed as an insult to Bosnia and Herzegovina. Instead of punishing agressors for genocide and killings, these agressors were REWARDED by granting them "entity" in which all Bosnians, mostly muslims were ethnically cleansed totally and eliminated from Bosnian land.
Please do not add, change, delate, alter in any way my post or insert your own analyzes. If you have something to add, write your own post. -- 209.86.100.194 09:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republika Srpska is  not officially recognized by any country in the world except by Bosnia. Dayton Agreement that legalized such entity is signed by 3 men not by people of BOSNIAN NATION.  

message: except in Bosnia and Herzegovina only as the "entity" and not the state, not the independent country and not as some seperated Nation. You got to mention this fact!
Bosnians are extremely angry that Alija Izetbegovic signed such agreement with agressors of 2 remaining countries ( Croatia and Serbia )Tudjman and Mislosevic and Izetbegovic had no legal rights to chose the destiny of BOSNIANS on the account on their ethnic cleansing and genocide therefore this agreement is considered unconstitutional.  For details why Bosnians believe it's unconstitutional go to: http://www.hdmagazine.com/bosnia/people/harisfax.html
== Bosnians from all over the world are legally pursuing these issues about Republika Srpska, and are trying to regain the Bosnian country to her Independency as declared by the whole world in 1992. Republic Srpska in the land of Bosnian people is obviously proof that Bosnia is still occupied country since it does NOT grant the rights to the very own people - Bosnians! == On Feb 27, 2005 officialy begins their Trial - "Bosnia VS Serbia" where the existance of Republika Srpska is hanging in the air. Serbs committed genocide in Bosnia in the 21 century - see genocide photos: http://www.genocid.org/slike.php
THE INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL FOR THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA - CASE NO. IT-95-5-I THE PROSECUTOR OF THE TRIBUNAL AGAINST RADOVAN KARADZIC and RATKO MLADIC http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/kar-ii950724e.htm
The above comments speak for themselves and require no further elaboration from me. It is for you to decide where to go from here, whether to accept the Dayton Agreement and Republika Srpska or reject it. Just don't forget to tell the facts that BOSNIA IS STILL OCCUPIED COUNTRY. 
*** Please do not add, change, delate, alter in any way my post or insert your own analyzes. If you have something to add, write your own post. --209.86.100.194 09:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republika Srpska is also not legally and officially recognized in any part of the world 

message: Since anonimous user deleting my answers from "his" topics, I will post all my answers to his previous 4 topics here:
Answer to his first topic: 
For anonimous user: There is no such thing as "Bosnian nation" or "Bosnians" and there never was. There are 3 nations in Bosnia: Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats. Republika Srpska is officially recognized by all countries in the World as entity within Bosnia and Herzegovina. Dayton Agreement was signed to stop war, if you attacking Dayton you probably want new war, right? Republika Srpska cannot be insult for Bosnia and Herzegovina because it is one of two parts that make Bosnia and Herzegovina. There is no Bosnia and Herzegovina without Republika Srpska. And who might be agressor according to you? It was civil war between 3 nations of the country. There was no agressor from foreign country here. By the way, Serbs live in Bosnia for last 1,400 years and they were ethnic majority in Bosnia until 1971 when Bosniaks become a majoriry. You must know that Bosniaks are majority in that country only for about last 30 years. Have this in your mind if you talk about agressors. So, this entity (RS) was created for the native people who live in that land for last 1,400 years, and who were majority in that land for most of its history. And yes, Bosniaks were ethnically cleansed from Republika Srpska, but so were Serbs from Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina? Only in Sarajevo there were about 150,000 Serbs before the war. Where they are now?  PANONIAN 10:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My answers to the anonimous user 

message: It is quite clear that those gentlemans above presented the views and the political goals of Bosniak nationalism. I think that this article should be protected for very long time and that only administrators of Wikipedia should add new things into this article. These things should be first discussed here on the talk page, and if we all (me, Dado and other users) agree to post something into article then this should be posted. But if anybody of us object to posting some things, then it should not be posted. I think this is a fair proposal. Opinions?  PANONIAN 13:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bosniak nationalism

message: I am very shocked that your user by the name "PANINI" acts so recklessely and intentionally engages in public abuse. Yesterday, I had a courtesy not to edit the article written about Republika Srpska but instead I have written a post that came up for some reason as several posts in your disscusion page. I have noticed immediately that Panini altered all my posts and inserted uncalled insults towards me, accusations about my identity, an arguments that are irrelevant to the topic of disscusion, not to mention making my post looking totally different by including his hate material.
I went back to read other posts and I have noticed that "Panini" insults people who disagree with him throughout this page calling them names and assuming their nationalities with no facts, then dismissing their disscusion points based on his assumption and creating chaos here. I have thought this is the free encyclopedia where public abuse by registered users is prohibited. 
I have signed my post with time stamp and my IP address, and I see no reason or any use of having these type of attacks on me. Mainly because I have no idea who people here who do post on regular bases are, and I see no reason for PANINI to attack me personally on any bases not to mention on the basis of my identity or my signature.
QUOTE:( And yes World know the truth, so mister "anonymous user", I do not see what you want to achieve with this since it is quite obvious that you are nlt so anonymous, but you are actually Dado or Emir or their friend, so stop these games. And I really do not know who is desperate here. Only desperate man could play a role of anonymous user, while we all know who he really is.  PANONIAN 10:46, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop removing comments you disagree with, even if you think they're blatant lies. These are the diffs in question: , , , and . I will not get involved in the content dispute, but removing the discussion by other users is not tolerated. Discuss your ideas, and try to reach a consensus so I can unprotect this page. If you do not think that is possible, file a Request for Arbitration. Titoxd(?!?) 23:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''To Wikipedia Administration - OFFICIAL COMPLAINT''' 

message: The article currently completely omits one whole and the most important section in the history.  There is literary a gap between August 1992 and September 1995.
Following is the text that needs to be placed back in the section on History with approporiate references and sources --Dado 22:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: It is one-sided biased view about RS, thus it is not appropriate for Wikipedia. PANONIAN 23:28, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal is rejected!!! 

message: Ok, I have 2 counter proposals:
* 1. The entire RS history section should be moved to this article: History of Republika Srpska. For example, this was done in the articles about Montenegro and Kosovo (both articles with similar problems in the history section). So, if we move entire RS history to the new article, the further revert wars about RS would be prevented in the RS article, and would be moved to the history subarticle. I do not see reason why history events should be mentioned in the main RS article, since we have separate history article (It is only one click away). 
:: Even if not controversial, this should be done for reasons of style. Similarly, Politics of RS and Subdivisions of RS could be moved in separate articles. Nikola 21:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I second both paragraphs. Nikola 21:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: All the institutions you mention are heavily biased. If you make a list of statements by various institutions that suit your POV, it is still your POV. Nikola 21:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: It is Bosniak propaganda, nationalist POV, one sided, and this is not propaganda. Nikola 19:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

text: These events, however, are directly responsible for not only the creation of RS in its current form but for most everything of significance that happened to it in the following ten years. Live Forever 04:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Look at this madness! RS must conduct as if it is responsible for the war it was imposed upon it! Nikola 19:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Excuse me, but how is this compromise? This includes Dado's version whole. It presents massacres in Srebrenica as genocide, doesn't mention any war crime against Serbs specifically while specifically mentions many war crimes by Serbs. I can't support this version. Nikola 09:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, this is your version. From various sources you selected only those that suit you - so, that is your version. Nikola 17:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counter proposal 

message: QUOTE: "Republika Srpska" can be translated into English as Serb Republic or Republic of Srpska. The word "srpska" can be interpreted as an adjective ("Serbian"),
*** Republika Srpska can NOT be translated as "Serb Republic". This translation is inaccurate equivalent in English because it may imply that "Republika Srpska" is a republic. The 2nd translation "Republic of Srpska" sounds more appropriate but it's also problematic for the very same reason. Republika Srpska is not a "REPUBLIC". Republika Srpska is an Entity of Bosnia and Herzegovina, therefore the untranslated version "Republika Srpska" has been used in the Constituition as the only officially appropriate name for this Entity.
*** The Constituition ( English version )CLEARLY STATES: "3. Composition Bosnia and Herzegovina shall consist of the two Entities, the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Republika Srpska (hereinafter "the Entities"). http://www.mvp.gov.ba/HTML/ENG/ustav_BiH_eng.htm Republika Srpska is UNTRANSLATED. 
*** To avoid confusion the World is using MAINLY untranslated version ( Republika Srpska ) as the offcial name for this particular Entity in Bosnia. It should be the only name used on the page.( with clear and not missleading explanations. See part in bold below. )Reference: The Constituition http://www.mvp.gov.ba/HTML/ENG/ustav_BiH_eng.htm 
Term "Republika Srpska" should not be propagated as systematic effort to persuade public to adopt this term as anything else but the "Entity of Bosnia and Herzegovina". It's not a real republic. All other missleading terms and explanations on the page need to be deleted as they are propagandistic in nature. Republika Srpska is not a "REPUBLIC". Republike Srpska is an Entity of Bosnia and Herzegovina. This needs to be very clear.
QUOTE: .... and, bearing in mind language rules for the creation of names of countries in the Serbian, Bosnian, and Croatian, also as a proper noun. 
*** This material is meaningless, unless there was some hidden message propagandistic in nature. What language rules is he talking about? Bearing in mind language rules for CREATION OF NAMES OF COUNTRIES... Author is trying to make an impression that Republika Srpska is a "country" and the name was a name "for the country", or was created originally with such intent. This needs to be deleted. 
QUOTE: The local name "Republika Hrvatska" for Croatia is analogous, although in that case there has long existed an appropriate Latinized translation of the name ("Croatia").
*** This sounds like comparison "country to country" or "republic to republic". Intent was there as author has given an example of internationally recognized country "Croatia", trying to make it as if "Republica Srpska" = "Serb Republic" = "Republika Hrvatska" = "Croatia" are all analogous language wise. What is the point of such comparison? 
This is simply not true. Here again, Republika Srpska is not a country. This needs to be deleted and there is no point on trying to make it LOOK AS IF IT IS COUNTRY if it is indeed an Entity in Bosnia and Herzegovina. 
The fact is that Republic Srpska is also not "REPUBLIC" but Entity and can NOT be compared through language manipulations with real internationally recognized country names or Republics such as "Hrvatska" (Republika Hrvatska). This has to be CLEARLY stated.
QUOTE: Because of the potential for confusion between "Serb Republic"/"Republic of Srpska" (Republika Srpska) and the "Republic of Serbia" (Republika Srbija), the name "Republika Srpska" is often used in its untranslated form in non-Slavic countries. This article follows that convention. (The government of Republika Srpska uses the term "Republic of Srpska" in the English translation of the Constitution and other documents.)
*** The author is trying to imply that these are 2 different countries. Also the author is leaving an impression that "Republic Srpska" has own government unrelated to Bosnia and Herzegovina’s Government as a whole. This propagandistic material needs to be deleted. 
We all know that Republika Srpska is not a country. Should this deletion become a burden to those who are persistently abusing Wikipedia for propaganda, I am going to pursue deletion on Complaint Page together with all evidence where some other people who are not necessarily working on Republika Srpska page will help out Wikipedia to bring this page to FACTUAL INFORMATIVE PAGE not Serbian Propaganda.--209.86.104.17 21:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  SERBIAN PROPAGANDA: "REPUBLIKA SRPSKA"  ON WIKIPEDIA QUOTED: 

message: Yesterdays Guardian article http://www.guardian.co.uk/yugo/article/0,2763,1639014,00.html can show that name Serb Republic is in everyday use. So terms Serb Republic and Republic of Srpska are in use and as we translate "Republika Hrvatska" as Republic of Croatia the same way it can be "Republika Srpska" translate as Republic of Srpska.  --Oldadamml 14:58, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So in your demented world-view I suppose the creators of google would be pawns of the well-oiled Bosniak propaganda machine as well? A search for "'Serb Republic' Bosnia' comes up with 67,900 results, while a similar search for "'Republika Srpska' Bosnia" comes up with 364,000 results. This means that in the english language the most common name for the smaller Bosnian entity is the one already used by wikipedia. Live Forever 20:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that we should use the most oftenly used term, but we should also note other frequently used terms and also that they are more correct than the most often one. Nikola 18:37, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More Bosniaks propaganda

message: I do not know how you expect to talk with somebody since you deleting posts of other people from "your" topics? Therefor my short answer for you is here: there is one nice institution named school and there is one nice person named teacher who will tell you everything you want to know about these subjects. PANONIAN (talk) 22:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  For anonymous user 

message: *Panonian would also agree with section 1. (yet, a little modified), but only if Nikola and others also agree with it, and only if people of Republika Srpska do not consider this section insulting, since the crimes of other side are not mentioned (and they should be)
*Section 5. proposal is not realistic as it serves only to hide issues while an abriviated history section in this article is necessary based on comments in above discussion.  It has generally been agreed by all parties before that history section is necessary. --Dado 04:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not at all happy with the fork of this article, which it appears to me may be of a type that violates out Neutral point of view policy, but that's another matter.  Since there is no evident ongoing dispute here I'll unprotect.  m:Protected pages considered harmful. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:43, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Even if not controversial, the article is very long, so that itself is a reason well enough for the fork. Nikola 15:18, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is reasonable size and even more to the point than many other.  Summary is sufficient.--Dado 15:37, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was some 40K long before the history was cut out. Nikola 10:04, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

text: No, this is not true. First, these two users were on the same side in the edit war; thus, no compromise has been reached. Second, Panonian said that he would agree only if I also agree; but I don't agree. Nikola 15:18, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:   makes no difference.  It is obvious that you are not willing to accept the truth but to push radical agenda. One cannot reach a compromise with you --Dado 15:37, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Only agenda I see is your constant removing of any mention of any war crimes committed on Serbs and maximally exaggerating of war crimes committed by Serbs. Nikola 09:55, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Again, two of you agreeing is not a compromise. Nikola 15:18, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

text: They may be 90% of the population, but if their languages aren't official, they aren't official. The constitution as presented on the web page is with amendments included, so if there is an amendment on this it would certainly be there. Nikola 09:55, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: "Other languages and alphabets are official on local levels." This sentence is incorrect. Bosnian and Croatian language are also officila in RS. According to Amandman LXXI to the constitution of RS, official languages are Bosnian/Serbian/Croatina. Emir Arven 14:17, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems fairly convincing. Nikola, do you have anything to add to this? -- ChrisO 11:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. As the full text of the constitution has a lot of ammendments listed in it, I assumed that all of them will be, but they apparently are not. However, I notice that the translation is wrong: "бошњачки језик" means "Bosniak language", not "Bosnian language" (that would be "босански језик"). I'll change this in the article. Nikola 22:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Wrong, that quote is in Serbian language. There is not "Bosniak language" in English terminology, just Bosnian language. See ISO-639. Also the amandman quote in Bosnian language (latin alphabet) verifies this.  -- Emir Arven 00:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is. The constitution doesn't use a term from ISO-639. I think that Serbian version of the constitution is the authoritative one, so Bosnian version may say domething else, it still isn't relevant. Nikola 11:26, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is in English, not in Serbian. We are talking about terminology in English that is used by ISO standard. It is very relevant.--Emir Arven 11:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is in English, but it is talking about a constitution which is in Serbian. We are talking about terminology in English which is not used by ISO standard. Nikola 14:28, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect info

message: "By 1994, the United Nations estimated that a million non-Serbs had been driven out from Republika Srpska"
I do not think this is possible, if the total population of the RS is 1,490,000, and if 60% of population before the war were Serbs, then it is simply not possible to be a million non-Serb refugees. PANONIAN (talk) 21:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Republika Srpska controlled up to 70% of Bosnia and Herzegovina at various times. The figure of one million probably includes those forced to flee from places such as Ilidza that were later reconquered by Bosnian and Croatian forces. Live Forever 22:54, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A million non-Serb refugees???

message: It has been correctly pointed out that the word "vandalism" has been misused in the edit summaries of this article - see the similar problem at Talk:Banja Luka#People supported by the authorities. If the objection was to this talk page, deleting someone's comments is indeed defined as vandalism (except to remove a personal attack), but the word "fascist" might be covered by Wikipedia:No personal attacks, not Wikipedia:Vandalism - of course both are bad. Art LaPella 02:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the deletion of user PANONIAN's comments, thats been brought up several times as an example of "the other side's vandalism" by users Nikola and Panonian. In fact, these deletions were done by an anonymous user who showed up in the midst of the debate and hasn't participated at all since. No side condoned what he was doing and nobody denied that what that anonymous user did was vandalism. Thus, I don't see why we're still dwelling on this brief isolated incident. Live Forever 02:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm American with no ethnic ties to the Balkans, but I'm not an administrator. I notice nobody has misused the Wikipedia term "vandalism" lately. But it's hard for an outsider to determine which users use more propaganda than others, or who should be banned. I can confidently predict that nobody will be banned for something that happened months ago, when no action has been taken since - that seems more likely to lead to more arguing, not to improving anyone's behavior. But I will comment on the debate as it stands now. It seems unusual that the two paragraphs about ethnic cleansing were removed without suggesting substitute paragraphs. To discuss Republika Srpska without any mention of ethnic cleansing (except a link to a history page) is like writing an article about Hiroshima without mentioning the atomic bomb. Art LaPella 20:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think so, only a few editors do. Nikola 10:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism