Talk:English muffin

message: The below sources are all from 2022 regarding naming of this product, all at the time of writing on sale in the UK and from the top 20 UK supermarkets according to this YouGov poll: https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/food/popularity/supermarket-chains/all     
    
Savoury "English" Muffins:    
* https://groceries.asda.com/product/muffins-potato-cakes/warburtons-english-breakfast-muffins/910000203040    
* https://www.ocado.com/products/hovis-4-english-muffins-with-sourdough-529271011    
* https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/299999454    
* https://www.ocado.com/products/hovis-4-english-muffins-with-sourdough-529271011    
* https://shop.coop.co.uk/product/6f77799d-e0ca-4677-bcbd-b90e7e725190    
* https://www.iceland.co.uk/p/warburtons-4-english-breakfast-muffins/50782.html    
    
Referring to savoury muffins as simply muffins:    
* https://groceries.asda.com/product/muffins-potato-cakes/asda-4-plain-muffins/1000007755398    
* https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-white-muffins-x6    
* https://www.ocado.com/products/m-s-4-english-muffins-510715011    
* https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/morrisons-butter-muffins-207818011    
    
Sweet Muffins referred to as simply muffin with a flavour:    
* https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/268563873    
* https://groceries.asda.com/product/mini-bites-muffins/asda-bakers-selection-blueberry-muffins/5761650    
* https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-chocolate-chunk-muffins-x4-276g    
* https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/essential-4-blueberry-muffins/817717-772494-772495    
* https://www.ocado.com/products/m-s-made-without-zesty-lemon-muffins-511271011    
* https://shop.coop.co.uk/product/ea71c6df-1286-4720-b329-fc16d8e20449    
* https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/the-english-cake-company-double-chocolate-chip-muffins-472272011    
* https://www.iceland.co.uk/p/brompton-house-choc-chip-muffins-with-belgian-chocolate-12x25g-%28300g%29/89894.html#q=muffin&start=1    
    
I found no instances of sweetened muffins being described as American, nor any being referred to without a clarification on flavour.    
    
Though I think it shows it is slightly more common to be listed as an English muffin. I don't think it's possible, to definitively state it is solely called by one or the other name in the UK, only that both are used by different brands.    
    
-  DavefaceFMS (t)  09:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's plenty of examples to demonstrate that in the UK (a) English muffins are often referred to as English muffins and (b) sweet muffins are only occasionally referred to as "American muffins". Barry Wom (talk) 13:58, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2022 Discussion of naming convention

message: * How does the version primarily made in the USA differ to the one available in the UK (and elsewhere?) A: The US version is a type of cake.
* Is the English muffin really English? I thought most breads of this nature originated in Scotland. A: You were wrong.
* Is it fair to include this article in category:American breads and category:Canadian cuisine if the muffin is English in origin? Or does the American version differ enough to be considered uniquely American?  A: The US-isn view of the world differs enough from the global view for it to be considered uniquely American
Thanks! --86.135.158.125 (talk) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's in the "American breads" (and probably "Canadian cuisine") categories not because of its origins or because it differs greatly from those in England, but because it is a widely available and consumed foodstuff here (most supermarkets in the US devote a fairly large amount of shelf space to English muffins). Apple pie or Curry would be other good examples of a similarly situated food. It has, in essence, become "nativized". --Bardbom (talk) 05:36, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: They're "American Breads" because they were invented in the United States, this article is horrible. 108.249.169.63 (talk) 03:03, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't true. Muffins like this have existed in the UK for centuries. The current article is accurate. These muffins were popular in Victorian England where they were sold in the street (as described in the "muffin man" nursery rhyme). It is true that some online sources do propogate the idea that these are an American invention but this is easily disproved by seeing the recipe in older cook books that precede the introduction of muffins to the US.31.54.225.105 (talk) 13:43, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few things. 

message: Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management has a recipe for English muffins 13 years prior to Samuel Bath Thomas moved to America.
>MUFFINS.
>1727. INGREDIENTS.—To every quart of milk allow 1-1/2 oz. of German yeast, a little salt; flour.
>[Illustration: MUFFINS.]
>Mode.—Warm the milk, add to it the yeast, and mix these well together; put them into a pan, and stir in sufficient flour to make the whole into a dough of rather a soft consistence; cover it over with a cloth, and place it in a warm place to rise, and, when light and nicely risen, divide the dough into pieces, and round them to the proper shape with the hands; place them, in a layer of flour about two inches thick, on wooden trays, and let them rise again; when this is effected, they each will exhibit a semi-globular shape. Then place them carefully on a hot-plate or stove, and bake them until they are slightly browned, turning them when they are done on one side. Muffins are not easily made, and are more generally purchased than manufactured at home. To toast them, divide the edge of the muffin all round, by pulling it open, to the depth of about an inch, with the fingers. Put it on a toasting-fork, and hold it before a very clear fire until one side is nicely browned, but not burnt; turn, and toast it on the other. Do not toast them too quickly, as, if this is done, the middle of the muffin will not be warmed through. When done, divide them by pulling them open; butter them slightly on both sides, put them together again, and cut them into halves: when sufficient are toasted and buttered, pile them on a very hot dish, and send them very quickly to table.
>Time.—From 20 minutes to 1/2 hour to bake them.
>Sufficient.—Allow 1 muffin to each person.
The idea that he "invented" muffins is clearly nonsense and marketing. Muffins are English, not American.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.210.173 (talk) 10:44, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Origin 

message: In addition to the above section pointing out the recipe predates Samuel Bath Thomas, the term 'English Muffin' was in use within New Zealand at least as early as 1871, where one E. H. Percy made them three years prior to Thomas's immigration to the United States. So the line in the article, 'In the US and US-influenced territories', implying this term is from US usage should more correctly be 'Outside England' or 'Outside the UK'.Number36 (talk) 23:53, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Also just noticed the article claims that the Merriam-Webster dictionary gives the origin of the term "English Muffin" as 1902 (which is the date claimed in the article linked as a supporting ref), but going to Merriam-Webster dictionary itself, it currently claims the term originated in 1858 (link), and the print edition of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: Eleventh Edition, has it as 1884 (link).Number36 (talk) 13:01, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  NZ use of 'English Muffin' 

message: Two sources currently used in the article are being used to justify the claim that English muffins were invented in New York in the late 19th century.
This source contains a quote from the book Encyclopedia of American Food and Drink claming that "Most of the store-bought varieties [...] derive from those made by the S. B. Thomas Company of New York" and that "the name was first printed in 1925". Both claims are incorrect based on sources in the article which show that recipes for English muffins were printed in American newspapers as early as 1870 and that the term "English muffin" was in use in America as early as 1859.
This source is unreliable for various reasons, not the least of which is the claim that "no one denies that the English muffin was invented by Samuel Bath Thomas".
I'm removing both sources from the article and the text which cites them. Barry Wom (talk) 17:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreliable sources 

message: If you are going to include named brands of English Muffins you should include Bays. Dildrum (talk) 05:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Named brands 

message: A Different Approach 2409:4052:2312:D187:0:0:AE:90AD (talk) 05:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The English Muffin