Talk:Lieutenant Governor (Canada)

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The following closed discussion refers to whether the name of the article should include a hyphen or not.
:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus. —Nightstallion (?) 08:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

message: #  In a Canadian context there are numerous, and not mutually agreeable, notions regarding hyphenation and capitalisation of the position title.  The Canadian Style (an official federal government style guide), indicates Lieutenant-Governor (upper case with hyphen; p. 46) though lieutenant-governors (lower case and hyphenated) when pluralised (p. 70).  Similarly, governor is the main noun in this title and it is the term that is pluralised.  The Oxford Guide to Canadian English Usage equivocates somewhat, indicating upper case only when used in and associated with a specific provincial L-G or name, not generally (e.g., Lieutenant-Governor Lincoln Alexander), and varied use (p. 244).  Moreover, a visitation of numerous provincial websites typically indicate Lieutenant Governor (of Province) (upper case and no hyphen), likely due to the primacy of those positions in their respective jurisdictions.
::For consistency in Wikipedia, the Oxford standard can be used when referring to Canadian lieutenant-governors.
As above, I prefer Lieutenant-Governor (Canada) and shall proceed to do so unless compelled otherwise. Moreover, applicable users should be very careful about insinuations of vandalism and edit-warring, since little rationale was provided to justify those comments throughout.  You won't get consensus by hurling epithets.  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 18:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's obvious we need to come to a consensus on this.  Ardenn 18:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the Oxford standard I would say the hyphen should be included in the title. -- Jeff3000 01:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes 

message: I've opened an RFC on this matter to get a wider consensus.  Ardenn 18:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus. --Ardenn 20:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: RFC

message: # I'm somewhat new here  However, User:Ardenn has been removing my edits from this - that - article.  This is not encouraging.  Therefore, I support the hyphenated spelling above. 216.13.88.86
#:Do it properly and within policy and you'll get no problems from me. How about registering? Ardenn 16:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: Someone asked on the Canadian Project page whether it should be hyphenated. The answer is yes.--Ibis3 06:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. -- Derek Ross | Talk 23:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hyphenation 

message: Although the Canadian Oxford (as noted in reference 1 in the article) suggests lower case for lieutenant governor, I would argue that since current useage (January 22 2007) by all ten provinces is to capitalize the term, that is what should be used at Wikipedia. I have changed it at the general Lieutenant-Governor site, but not here in light of the apparent controversy this has generated in the past. Discuss. Flyguy649 15:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: In case anyone's watching this page, I've restored the article here as, after looking at the history and the earlier discussions, I saw no consensus for any move, and the move was then done by an anonymous ip. As was noted some time ago by others, the Constitution Acts do not use a hyphen in the term "Lieutenant Governor", and nor do the majority of Lieutenant Governors themselves. It thus seems appropriate to have the article under the hyphen-less heading, though explanations of the alternate spelling should certainly remain here. --Miesianiacal (talk) 04:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoration 

message: I live in Australia where the governors of the Australian states are the choice of the state premiers concerned.
I was therefore surprised to learn that the lieutenant governors of the Canadian provinces, who perform the same functions of the Australian state governors, are in the end the choice of the Prime Minister and not the provincial premiers.
Why is that and has there been any discussions to give that choice to the premiers.122.108.156.100 (talk) 13:02, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Short answer is that it was the decision of the drafters of the Constitution in 1867.  They agreed to a model that was inspired by the colonial model, and gave the federal government authority over the provinces in a way similar to the way the imperial government retained authority over the federal government.  Britain appointed the GovGen, who had the power to reserve federal bills for consideration in London, and the British government had power to disallow federal bills.  The federal government was in a similar position vis-à-vis the provinces:  the federal had the power to appoint the Lt Govs, who could reserve a bill for the consideration of the federal government, which had the power to disallow provincial bills.  Our drafters looked to the UK as the model, and the US (at that time torn apart by the Civil War) as an object lesson for what not to do, including state sovereignty.  I think that's different from the Australian experience, 40 years later, which relied on the US model much more than the Canadians did. As for why this issue is not in the article;  probably because the role of the Lt Gov is primarily ceremonial and doesn't attract much public attention in general, so the detail of who appoints doesn't attract public attention.  That means it's not come up in this article. If you can find generally accepted sources that discuss the appointment process in more detail than is covered here, have at it! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:32, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why isn't it the choice of the Premiers.  

message: I have started an RfC on this question at Talk:Governor General of Canada.  All comments welcome. --Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comment: Should the term "viceroy" be used as a synonym for "Governor General" or "Lieutenant Governor" in articles on Canadian government?