Template talk:Wikinews

message: This template is currently used in a number of places to link to specific Wikinews articles rather than categories or general articles. The wording of the current template is not really conducive to this, as it implies that the Wikinews article is "related" to the Wikipedia article rather than about a specific point in the Wikipedia article, and, most importantly, does not name the date of the Wikinews story which I think is rather essential when linking to old articles. 
I propose to create a new template, something like "Wikinews article", which takes two parameters, the article title and the article date, and to help migrate template usage in this area. Are there any objections? --Fastfission 23:01, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New template suggestion

message: If put in an un-ordered list it acts strangly.
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Bawolff 04:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Table-based templates such as  don't work in bulleted lists and generate a Multiline table in list lint error. Do not use this template in a bulleted list. —Anomalocaris (talk) 11:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  strange behavior in lists 

message: I think the image should be changed to SVG. Cristan 12:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, so I've added . The picture that I think the template should switch to is :Image:WikiNews-Logo.svg. Picaroon 20:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Ligulem 23:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SVG Image 

message: Please make a minor change to this template to allow for more flexible spacing. The lines:
</div>
<noinclude>
should be combined to form:
</div><noinclude>
This will remove the automatically added line break, fixing spacing issues on pages such as Emergency contraception. —Remember the dot (talk) 04:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: done. CMummert · talk 04:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! —Remember the dot (talk) 17:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spacing 

message: Please use :Image:Wikinews-logo.svg instead of :Image:WikiNews-Logo.svg. – rotemliss – Talk 17:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: done. CMummert · talk 01:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: The current template says
Wikinews has news related to:
:Headline_of_the_news
That's a weird wording. What's on the headline is the news, not related to the news. Rather, shouldn't it be as follows?
Wikinews has news related to Article_name_in_pedia at: 
:Headline_of_the_news
--朝彦 (Asahiko) 08:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had exactly the same thought and indeed fixed it before coming here and seeing your comment! Dan100 (Talk) 10:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't able to pull my self to actual editing since I'm not a native english speaker. Your "Wikinews has related news" is better than what I was trying to do. Thanks for fixing! Cheers. --朝彦 (Asahiko) 11:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: 
Please make it so when the Wikinews logo is clicked, instead of going to the image description page, it goes to the corresponding Wikinews page.-- penubag  (talk) 07:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done —  23:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clickable image 

message: The article MV Sirius Star has formating problems that disappear when this template is removed.  If you remove  from the article, the text in the highjacking section doesn't have a big gap.  Is there a way to fix this?  Thanks.  Ann arbor street (talk) 06:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem was fixed by removing the template from the article, but it would be interesting to figure out what is causing the problem.  The  template did not cause the problem (as verified via preview experiments).  Ann arbor street (talk) 16:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the article is moving face.  For purposes of fixing the template, the version of the article that had the problem is here.  Ann arbor street (talk) 18:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formating problems 

message: *Suggestion: add the date parameter and write a 'bot which purges the news older than, say 6 months.
*Rationales: 
**After half a year the news are no longer news. With time some articles became littered with  real old news. 
**Basing on general "wikipedia is not" (not a linkfarm, not a collection of indiscriminate info, etc.), WP:UNDUE, and Wikipedia:Verifiablity rules, if there was any notable info in the news, it must be added into the article, with direct references to firsthand reliable sources. As you know, since wikinews is a wiki, it fails WP:RS. 
**I suspect that in some cases the "wikinews" link became a vehicle of promotion of a certain person, by inserting the "wikinews" link in all marginally related wikipedia articles. 
`'Míkka>t 17:04, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose this idea (keep in mind I'm primarily a wikinewsie, so i'm biased) as: News may be mostly related to whats current, but its also  interesting to read past news. For an article on 2008-2009 financial recession, I think links to articles that appeared at the time are useful to the reader. However I'll give you a point on marginally related articles. For most marginally related articles (for example, say big articles, like Canada), the template is automatically updated by the user:Wikinews Importer Bot. As with all templates and things, if its not actually related it shouldn't be on the article (If I link a wikinews article on the economy from Disney, unless the wn article is specificly about disney, it shouldn't be linked from there). However, I would consider automatic removal of  templates to be a bad idea. Even though I am primarily a wikinewsie, I have in the past come across wikipedia articles with links to wikinews articles I've never read before, and found those links to be very helpful. Bawolff (talk) 03:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated news 

message: This template was used in this version of the Willamette Week article between two items in a bullet list, and (this is key) without a line break between the template and the end of the first bullet item.  That use produced an unintended result, i.e. the box around the item was missing and the text within the box was not floated along the right side.  After some experimentation it was easy to work around this problem, but it would be better if either the  template were fixed to not exhibit this layout behavior (sorry, I can't be more specific) or if this limitation could be documented at :Template:Sister/doc.  This issue may be years old, since its similar to the one mentioned here on this talk page in 2006 in the following example:
The following text
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produces this output:
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Thanks in advance. 68.167.254.158 (talk) 02:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are right in saying that the  template needs to be modified to correct this. There is nothing which can be done to this template to fix the issue. I suggest opening a discussion at Template talk:Sister or WT:Wikimedia sister projects and describing the problem. Hopefully someone there will have an idea of how best to fix it. Martinmsgj 08:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Should not be used in a bulleted list, so a wontfix I would say. Rich Farmbrough, 20:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Rich Farmbrough, 04:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Table-based templates such as  don't work in bulleted lists and generate a Multiline table in list lint error. Do not use this template in a bulleted list. —Anomalocaris (talk) 11:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem when embedded in a bullet list 

message: The table that shows if you view the doc file separately is not showing up properly when transcluded. I don't know how to fix this though. Calebrw (talk) 23:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table in /doc 

message: Is there a way to make this template appear on the left side of an article, instead of the right? Cirt (talk) 14:31, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not currently. I would recomend modifying the template as follows:




Which would make the position parameter determine which side of the article the template falls on. Bawolff (talk) 19:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

text: , thanks. Cirt (talk) 20:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left align? 

message: We need a version of this template that can link to wikinews in different languages, like  and such. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw "new slang". Is there a reason for doing this? Tony (talk) 09:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

text: It's bad enough having these WN templates on articles, due to the fact that our coverage is vastly superior to that of WN. Bearing in mind the questionable utility of the said links, and the fact that English language readers are unlikely to want to read foreign language news articles, I'd say it would be a waste of effort. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 09:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikinewslang 

message: Because Template:Wikinews/doc contains Wikinews interwikies and it is used in several similar templates, it screws other interwikies such as Template:Wikinewspar2. Like par2 template, we should move interwikies from doc to template article. --kwan-in (talk) 17:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a parser function that will do the same job. —GFOLEY FOUR!— 23:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit 

message: Where multiple Wikinews articles are linked to, the list of articles should be a bulleted one. For example at Jennifer Hudson#2008: Winnie and family murders it is difficult to tell at a glance how many articles are linked, nor where the break between headlines is. Note: This comment relates to template:Wikinewspar2 but this talkpage appears to be more watched. Thryduulf (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple articles should have a bulleted list 

message: The functionality that lets one link to a Wikinews search page is very bad form. It encourages inclusion of links where nothing relevant exists at Wikinews, and, due to relatively short search strings, is likely to give highly irrelevant results. The functionality should be removed, or at least given a category that notes an almost-certainly-bad use of the template, so it can be reviewed and removed or replaced with a direct link. 
Linking to search pages is an explicit violation of WP:EL  Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: . I'm not sure what you're asking to get done here. Which template mode enables linking to search pages? Please fix the template in a /sandbox page and then renable the request. Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 02:06, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Done. I fixed an #if statement that wasn't closed, and created the hidden category :Category:Wikipedia pages with potentially bad Wikinews search links. Also, please remember to update the documentation, and to add any relevant subcategories that you can find to the category that I created. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 04:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to be a little slow about this: I was at Wikimania at the time. I'll review now. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad functionality 

message: The secret, undocumented search option gives really terrible results. I just reviewed all usage of this secret fuctionality (there were only 5 in article space), and couldn't find one that was remotely useful - it's just a base search, so, for example, Occupy wall street gave results that contain - in separate places in the article - the words "occupies" "walls" and "street". It's not useful, so I propose the template code be changed to the following, which gives a standard-format warning if used without a parameter. This should not affect any valid usage, and has been tested:
Edit page, then copy-paste

<!--Copy-paste from here-->
<includeonly>{{#if:{{{1|}}}|</includeonly>
{{sister
| project = wikinews
| position = {{{position|}}}
| text = Wikinews has related news:
[[wikinews: {{{1|Special:Search/{{PAGENAME}}}}}| {{{2|{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}]]
}}<includeonly>|<font color=red>The template {{tl|Wikinews}} requires a link to an article. To link to a category, use {{tl|Wikinews category}}.</font>}}</includeonly><noinclude>
{{documentation}}
<!-- Add cats to the /doc subpage and interwikis to Wikidata, not here! -->
</noinclude>
<!---Stop copy-paste--->

: So sorry, I don't know enough to be able to tell if your edit improves this template.  However, I do know that interwikis must now go to Wikidata and have amended the above comment accordingly.  Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 02:33, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You should use foo instead of the  tag. μc8 (talk) 06:45, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:TESTCASES, please put your proposed version into the template's sandbox - easier to compare with the present version, and much easier to test before deployment. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:09, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  done. This should only have the effect of removing an undocumented, and problematic functionality. It shouldn't change any other usage.  Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I set up some testcases too, and  Done --Redrose64 (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove undocumented search function

message: Wikinews as a project is essentially dead: output is slow and article quality is often poor. Clearly, it would not be considered a WP:RS by most standards. Should the use of this template, and linking to Wikinews articles, be discouraged? feminist (talk) 04:34, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Three out of your four statements are false (though the other one out of four, "output is slow", is merely transitory and therefore deceptive).  --Pi zero (talk) 17:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not that these points are necessarily relevant, since policy (to say nothing of community spirit) calls for sister projects to support each other.  --Pi zero (talk) 17:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikinews is listed as a generally unreliable source at WP:RSP. feminist (talk) 18:19, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if you've seen it but this has happened. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:23, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I haven't seen it. feminist (talk) 18:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to note, the politics of the Wikipedian community has never allowed it to acknowledge reliability of Wikinews. --Pi zero (talk) 04:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark as historical/deprecated? 

message: Please change subtemplate call  to  to avoid following an unnecessary template redirect in this widely used template. Colonies Chris (talk) 09:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done  Thanks! Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 10:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 13 July 2020