Talk:Domestic terrorism/Archive 1

message: At 19:14, 30 September 2005, 67.2.4.137 added the following to this article:
:However, some uses of the phrase are inappropriate since the intent may not be to scare the whole "domestic" or nation but a subset like its government from inappropriate activities as in the Oklahoma City Bombing in accordance with the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
This strikes me as being questionable NPOV, so I moved it to this talk page pending a concensus.--Kralizec! 00:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV of 2nd Amendment Link 

message: # This is not the U.S. Wikipedia, but the English-language Wikipedia. You cannot equate Domestic = U.S.
# "Domestic terrorism was considered rare in the United States, by those who do not its history well." That is a point of view, but not an encyclopedic statement.
# Calling riots "terrorism" stretches the meaning of the term beyond the reasonable.
# What is this nonsense talk about McVeigh being "an Irish-American Catholic from upstate New York". Indeed, there were hardly any Irish-American people from upstate New York that day in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Give me a break. "Many said that...", "it should be pointed out that...": No, it should not be pointed out.
# "Samuel Gompers tearfully insisted..." How is that relevant here?
# "John and Jim McNamara, two Irish-American brothers." Presumable Clarence Darrow, who was so quick to realize their guilt, was not Irish-American. I bet he wasn't even a Catholic.
Lambiam 20:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up required 

message: You left out one important fact in your very brief mention of the Draft Riots, but I added it. That fact cannot be hidden or obscured; it's non-negotiable. Otherwise, it's OK.
The Civil War Draft Riots (1863) -- a period of lethal rioting by Irish immigrants in NYC protesting conscription. Casualties were at least four hundred, outstripping more famous riots such as those in Oakland, Watts, and Attica. 
63.164.145.33 07:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This was reverted dur to seeming OR and a bit POV. --Scaife (Talk)  Don't forget Hanlon's Razor 07:42, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drfat Riots

message: I considered adding the London transport network bombings as and example of domestic terrorism, as it's such a hot topic, I thought it best to check here first.  They were orchestrated by a British group, by British citizens, and against the British public. If this example can be added, I think it's a more recent, and more widely know example. JeffUK 22:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: London Bombings 7/7/05

message: This article seems very focused on Muslim terrorists in the United States.  Not only does this focus the Article on the United States instead of a worldwide prospective, it also unfairly biases the article against Muslims.  There are many other forms of Homegrown Terrorism in addition to those that are violent Muslim extremists. Zell Faze (talk) 06:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree. I've just added a link to Domestic terrorism in the United States, which lists various other non-Muslim terrorist attacks that could be listed here. (Although this article attempts to distinguish them, as far as I can tell 'domestic terrorism' and 'homegrown terrorism' are simply different names for the same thing.) Robofish (talk) 22:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for adding the link Robofish. I think that the Participants section is also limited in scope and reference. I think that information from Sageman (2004) Understanding Terror Networks would be more informative than the somewhat frivolous quote and passage currently added from a book that was not as well received. Also, the inclusion of other footnotes on the topic of the homegrown terrorist would help round out this passage.Gray106 (talk) 18:35, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: This is just anecdotal evidence, but my experience matches what the previous posters have said.  "Domestic terrorism" seems to be used mainly for terrorism with no foreign influence whatsoever.  "Homegrown terrorism" seems to be a post "War or Terror" term for foreign-influenced terrorism carried out by your own citizens.  (Also, "Domestic terrorism" seems to be a mainly US term, or at least not one I hear used much in the UK.  "Homegrown terrorism" is commonly used in the uK, and judging by this article in the US too).  In any case, the current article seems to be blending (or flipping between) two distinct concepts without making it clear which concept or definition it is actually about. Iapetus (talk) 15:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus of Article 

message: I'm curious as to why José Padilla is linked to in this article.. The page for his case only touches on his transportation of marijuana as a truck driver... Hardly anything terroristic about that. He wasn't even US born, so would that count him as domestic even? Curious indeed. 99.189.86.0 (talk) 17:07, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  José Padilla?

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message: All of these examples seem to be attacks carried out in Western countries. Under the definition given by the article, shouldn't the majority of terrorist activity carried out in Iraq, Pakistan, Sudan, etc. be considered acts of domestic terror? 4thvar (talk) 23:06, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: I really like what you have edited so far. I think you are going in the right direction when trying to focus on just domestic terrorism in this article. The original article seems to stray away from domestic terrorism at some points and tries to define terrorism on an international scale, but you have done a good job withe your editing of that section. Also you raise a good question on the Juan Padilla section of the article, I have never heard of the guy and for him to be a link to domestic terrorism you would think the original article would explain the reasoning behind putting him in there with a little more detail. Overall this looks like a very thought over Wikipedia article edit to me, so job well done! Copenhagenking (talk) 05:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing Talk  

message: From the article:
*First of all what does terrorism mean? Were the actions of the French Resistance in Vichy France terrorism? Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist (he was labelled a such by the Thatcher government)? For more details on this see Terrorism#Pejorative use.
*"homegrown in which the venue, target, and perpetrators are all from the same country." define country? If a splinter IRA attack is carried out in Northern Ireland then that  could be labelled "homegrown", but is it "homegrown" if the attack takes place in Southern Ireland, or in England, or is that something different? What happens if the members of an splinter IRA active unit carries a Souther Irish passport? Is (s)he an international terrorist if (s)he takes part in an attack in Northern Ireland?
It seems to me that this article sufferers from systemic bias, because it is looking at things thorough a governmental lens (particularity but not excursively a USA government lens). I think it is an appropriate article for AfD and if necessary add a paragraph to the terrorism article where it will carry a more balanced POV.
-- PBS (talk) 11:43, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article sufferers from [[WP:systemic bias|systemic bias]] 

message: You are invited to participate in Talk:Antifa (United States)#RfC: antifa and terrorism, a discussion about whether to include that activities by American anti-fascists were labeled as domestic terrorism by the Trump administration. R2 (bleep) 22:21, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antifa