Talk:Scorpion II

message: There's a claim in the article that The Scorpion King movie was loosely based on this person. I didn't see the TV special that was cited, nor could I find any such claim on the film's website.  Since the movie appears entirely unrelated to anything in history at first glance, is there another source for this claim? Otherwise I'll be removing it. TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical basis of movie 

message: I reverted the recent addition of Scorpion I to the intro. I was unaware at the time that some theorize that there were two predynastic King Scorpions -- the impression I had was that the Abydos tomb was that of the Scorpion of the macehead, not that there were two Scorpions -- but this article is about the one depicted on the macehead, and according to most sources this is Scorpion II, not I. I wonder if someone more up-to-date on the subject than I am knows if this is definite enough to put in the intro? TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is definitly Scorpion II, not I, assuming that there are two. It is believed that Narmer would have had to have been the next king immediatly after Scorpion, so the other references to a different scorpion must go before him. Thanatosimii 15:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Scorpion I" 

message: :The corrected title makes more sense. Some people know Thutmose as Thutmosis; same here. Respect the Scorpion! (Sorry -- last sentence a bad joke.) George "Skrooball" Reeves 07:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We do not know that scorpion was pronounced srqt. It has no phonetic signs to help and is one of the oldest hieroglyphics extant, thus transliteration is questionable. Thutmose and Thutmosis are different becuase of strange greek idiosyncrecies, and we know for a fact it to be better as Thutmose, though Djhutymes is still better yet. However, we do not know even the consonants behind Scorpion for an undisputed fact. Thanatosimii 04:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See my post at your user talk page. TCC (talk) (contribs) 04:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serket II 

message: :Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
:Support as per my comments Thanatosimii 17:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose -- I can't ever remember one other page on this Wiki using the English translation of an Egyptian name. This page, sad to say, would stick out like a sore thumb if you reverted it. Just my $0.02. George "Skrooball" Reeves 21:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then we get to change the rest of them. Wikipedia is not a reliable source unto itself. There is no such person as a king Serket II in academic literature. There is a King Scorpion. (edit) sorry, I misunderstood you. There are no other pages on wikipedia that use tranlations of Egyptian's names because we do know their names. Amenhotep reads imnhtp. Thutmose reads Dwtms. Ramses reads R'mssw. Senusret reads snwsrt. However, Scorpion doesn't read Srqt. It doesn't have any alphabetic symbols going with it, and could concievably be any myriad of possible different names. Thanatosimii 23:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Support. I have never seen this king referred to as anything other than "Scorpion" in the literature. In fact, most of the predynastic kings before Narmer are identified by their ideograms in the vernacular, so we speak of "Double Falcon", "Lion", "Elephant"  See xoomer.alice.it/francescoraf/hesyra/dynasty00.htm. Iry-Hor and Ka are exceptions to this, but Scorpion is not. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Support per Thanatosimii & TCC. - Evv 15:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Support per Thanatosimii & TCC. I understand Skrooball's opinion and tend to agree with it for the same reason we don't call Narmer "Catfish chisel" according to the glyphs in his name, and yet all of the literature on the subject I have seen prefers "Scorpion". Were there a convincing argument for a better "Egyptian-ized" form of the name I would opt for that, but Thanatosimii has summarized the current academic state of affairs regarding this pharaoh. Captmondo 11:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Thanatosimii, is there actually a source that has this, or is it just a remnant of Skrooball's unusual usage? If the former, why don't we just cut it entirely? TCC (talk) (contribs) 05:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t think a source calls him by serqet/selk and that the reading is disputed(another reading is weha) so we just call him scorpion, like double flacon who’s name is either read adjuster or Nebwy Emmanuelbruh (talk) 19:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry autucorecet I meant Dju Emmanuelbruh (talk) 19:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serqet 

message: Per the old discussion about moving the page, "Selk" should be removed from the lede unless there's a reliable source for it. It seems to have been added by an anon editor about 2 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=King_Scorpion&diff=425766795&oldid=422220582 Nearly all online sources appear to be either mirrors of this article, or have referenced it. If reliable sources do not use this name for this king, Wikipedia ought not either.
192.31.106.36 (talk) 00:57, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked into this and managed to find a handful of sources that do indeed read king Scorpion's name as "Selk". here is the search I did. Regards, Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 01:23, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... some of those obviously are mirrored or copied from here, but this one:  is from 1961, and this from 1964. I reinserted it with the 2nd one as a cite. Thanks, Til. Begoon talk 01:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant to say only the top one is mirrored... the other 21 are a bit older than wikipedia, though some are in French! Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 02:11, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the first search I did turned up lots of references confirming that Selk / scorpion was considered an epithet of the pagan goddess Isis. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 02:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think we fixed Selk too, now - should have just waited for more discussion in the first place - my bad.  Begoon talk 02:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 7 May 2013 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Reign:c.3170 BC 216.11.189.205 (talk) 01:02, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  03:23, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2020 

message: Reign= c. 3170 BC 216.11.189.203 (talk) 04:50, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The article currently gives a span of two centuries, why did you decide on this number for "circa"? – Thjarkur (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2020 

message: Put the page under Category:Unidentified person due to the title of the page being an appellation given due to the ambiguity of the subject's real name. 72.220.237.85 (talk) 22:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: That category does not appear to exist. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:52, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2022 

message: Hello. Nowhere else have I seen an image of a pharaoh with a working tool in his hands. Maybe you have met? Alexander Leibovich (talk) 19:03, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pharaoh with hoe 

message: Apparently according to some sources a woman named Shesh I was the wife of scorpion II, in addition she is also mentioned as mother of Narmer. According to a source shesh II is daughter of hor Aha or something. Emmanuelbruh (talk) 19:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Even Spanish Wikipedia lists a 'Shesh I' in the wife slot. Emmanuelbruh (talk) 19:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spouse