Talk:List of NWA World Heavyweight Champions

message: On the March 21, 1991 title change you have "Briefly unified with the IWGP Heavyweight Championship". I dunno on that... To me, two separate belts on the same man do NOT a unified title make... I'm open to hear both sides of this argument...Blozier2006 (talk) 05:42, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed... I suppose--UnquestionableTruth-- 06:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: NWA / IWGP Unification???

message: Is there a WP:RS which contains a list of all the unrecognized NWA Title reigns? Eg. Buddy Landell, Wahoo McDaniel, Bruiser? It would be nice if there was, as it would make the article more complete. 41.132.228.79 (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Unrecognized Reigns

message: That's my question. Why is it not recognized? I get the New Zealand ones, but not that one. 173.18.208.35 (talk) 01:40, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that you guys went and fixed the issue. Thank you. 173.18.208.35 (talk) 05:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is the Flair/Race Starrcade 83 title change not recognized?

message: Pertaining to the Buddy Rogers period in the 60s, since we list Bobo Brazil in September 1962 (greyed and un-numbered) in spite of the NWA not recognizing the exchange, I think we should not merely shove in the right 'notes' column things pertaining to similar events with Bruno Sammartino in August 1962 and Killer Kowalski in November 1961. I'm going to split these as their own columns and grey them (and not number them) as was done with Bobo Brazil. To do otherwise doesn't establish a proper timeline. It's a confusing period and notes on the rightmost column should pertain to the event in question, not jump all over the place with unrelated events. 
I'm glad I did this, because there was actually an error in calculating the reign length. The previous version listed the length of the 7th reign (Rogers' first) as 414 days. This used the end date of 18 august 1962 though, the start of Brazil's greyed-out unrecognized win. The actual period of time between the 7th and 8th officially recognized reigns (30 june 1961 with Rogers and 24 january 1963 with Thesz) is 573 days.
Rogers' first reign has 2 lesser options (which we could optionally grey out to recognize that the shorter numbers are not official, and pertain to recognition of the subsequent greyed disputed Reigns) which take into account losses (allegedly for the title, to some) to Kowalski in 61 and Brazil in 62 prior to the Thesz incident in 63.
To avoid confusion, since this row takes up multiple lines due to the explanations anyway, I listed all 3 lengths with notations as to what those different lengths pertain to.
Roger had a row listed for his greyed-out unofficial second reign, as it pertained to Brazil. However, since the Kowalski incident is just as controversial and unofficial as the Brazil incident, it is equally worth a row, and equally leads to a different calculation of a separate reign length.
These two alternate timelines divide up the 573 day official period. With the Kowalski flip, it goes 145+425+3 while with the Brazil flip it goes 414+73+86. It should be noted that the loss and later victory to Brazil occurred during the period after having lost to Kowalski and prior to the later victory over Kowalski. Listing these separately is essential, and they can't be combined in one timeline, because if Kowalski was considered champion then Brazil's reign is nullified due to not defeating the actual champion.
Bruno Sammartino?
I think we might also potentially address the 2 August 1962 incident with Sammartino, but that adds too much confusion and might wait for a later day until issues pertaining to Rogers>Thesz v. Rogers>Kowalski>Thesz v. Rogers>Brazil>Thesz are well settled in. Based on the data present in the table, the Kowalski/Brazil victories seem more deserving as a row due to actual matches occuring where Rogers felt the need to battle them later to establish himself as champion, something that did not occur with Sammartino for the NWA title.
That's not to say the Sammartino victory didn't leave a sour taste and similar need for ramification, but rather that these issues were solved later, after Rogers' abdication to WWWF, when Bruno challenged him for that title. So in Bruno's case, it probably is just worth the note on the right. I would not be opposed to giving him a grey row too, which would after Kowalski and before Brazil, but the problem in that case is I would not know what to put for reign length. If Bruno refused to accept the title, do we consider it a 0 day reign length, and a 2nd reign of Rogers beginning on that day, dividing it into 2 days which sum to 573? Ranze (talk) 09:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Greyed reigns

message: Why does this article even mention that certain NWA World Heavyweight Title reigns are not recognized by WWE? WWE does not control the NWA, is not a member of the NWA, and has no authority whatsoever in regards to NWA titles regardless of what Vince McMahon would like to believe.Kdb1965 (talk) 12:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE? 

message: This might not be the most appropriate place to ask, but is 'House show' really the best term to describe a non-televised event? Would perhaps 'live event' be a better term, instead of using insider lingo? BoosterBronze (talk) 15:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: How would "live event" be distinguished from televised shows? Last I checked, all televised wrestling matches (even the ones shown on tape delay) were "live events" because they involved actual people, not cartoons.--Khajidha (talk) 14:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: House Shows?

message: The article currently lists 8/27 as the vacated date. Although they may have retroactively considered this the date, the next day the NWA released a statement stating that they still recognize Douglas as the champion. Therefore this needs a ref to show what exactly happened. - GalatzTalk 17:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shane Douglas vacated date 

message: It says NWA recognizes his reign in 2005. But I clicked on the source and it doesn't recognize him as champ. So who actually recognizes him as champ? Only Wikipedia? Should we delete his reign?WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 19:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Before Corgan buyed NWA, the official website recognized him as champion. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:57, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we have a reference for that? And since right now he isn't recognized anymore, shouldn't we put him in grey?WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 17:32, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the list of champions. However, the web has disapreared, but i don't know if the gonzalez reigns is declared unofficial again --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray Gonzalez 

message: If they are not recognized right now, as the article states, they should be grayed out, like with Carpentier, Colon etc. 197.89.23.74 (talk) 07:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flair-Race 84, and Flair-Fujinami 91 should not be there 

message: This appears to date from when Cody was Champion.
What is it? How official is it? It opens up yet another can of worms... 197.89.23.184 (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where does THIS come from? 

message: Until somebody can produce an official reference excluding González, stop greying him as unrecognized. I don’t care if it was “phony” or a “dusty finish” or whatever, this is hardly the first time that a reign is recognized retroactively for whatever reason. The source is from the NWA itself, Wrestling-Titles is not the NWA. - El Alternativo (talk) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, Wrestling-Titles is considered an “unproven” source according to wp:PW/RS. The continuos use of the website as *the source* by this anon is odd. So are the arguments in his edit summaries, which are strangely identical to the comments that the site has in their own list. This makes me wonder if this is actually a case of self-promotion (which is strictly prohibited, see wp:NOTPROMO) by the caretaker of WT. - El Alternativo (talk) 17:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Secondary sources do not replace official ones

message: According to Judo Gene Lebell's autobiography, he won the NWA championship from Pat O'Connor in 1959. Lebell apparently hit the Texas athletic commissioner with the belt. Upon this the commissioner "held up the belt" and suspended Gene Lebell. Lebell said he held the belt for 12 seconds. Again this is from Gene Lebell's autobiography "The Godfather of Grappling ". 2600:1702:AC0:4690:3031:6576:3DC4:73D0 (talk) 17:55, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Added Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 00:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gene Lebell- Amarillo Tex. 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of NWA World Heavyweight Champions's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "int world hist":
From List of WCW World Heavyweight Champions: 
From WCW International World Heavyweight Championship: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT⚡ 22:02, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of NWA World Heavyweight Champions]]