Talk:Dungan people

message: User:Daduzi, I reverted your change of linking 'Chinese' to Han Chinese; now it's back to linking to Chinese people. Dungan people are mostly of Hui origin rather than Han (though it's likely there are some recent Han Muslim converts among them, and maybe even Sinicized non-Han Muslim minorities). Better just to call them as "Chinese" (something like zhonghua minzu) unless we can find specific genetic data. (The Dungan themselves generally describe themselves as being exclusively descended from Hui.) Pls yell to me if you disagree. cab 14:43, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason I changed it to Han Chinese is because the Hui minority is ethnically Han but are counted as a separate minority on the basis of religion. This is what distinguishes them from other muslim minorities like the Uighurs. I'll agree that my initial wording was bad, though, and should have been more specific. Perhaps change to "Dungan (Chinese: 東干族; pinyin: dōng gān zú; Дунгане) is a term used in territories of the former Soviet Union to refer to a Muslim people of Han Chinese ethnicity."? --Daduzi talk 15:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've gone ahead and changed it. If you don't like it feel free to change it to something else, but try to avoid using Chinese people, as that is a disambiguation page (see WP:DPL). Thanks. --Daduzi talk 17:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  Hui also have some genetic differences from Han, especially in the paternal line. E.g. ,. Also a paper on Dungan genetics here at . (Not easy to find because e.g. searching for dungan genetics gets you lots of papers by Irish guys named Dr. Dungan). Sorry not to get back sooner. Maybe change it to Hui? cab 02:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting, I'd always been told that Hui and Han were ethnically identical but evidently I'd been misinformed. I've gone ahead and done another edit which I hope better reflects this new (for me) information. --Daduzi talk 02:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Hui share one "cultural" similarity to Han that they do not share with the Turkic and other Muslim groups in XJ:  they appear to rely on the lunar calendar.  This is by inference from the patterns of age-heaping in the censuses of China, in which Hui, like Han, have a "preference" for birth years that are favorable animal years, while Uighurs and Kazakhs show no such preference. I can provide a published source  from a conference on the 1990 Chinese census if any0ne is interested, but it's fairly obscure.--Mack2 16:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dungan origin 

message: Want to get opinions from other users --- any comments on whether the navigation box  should be placed at the bottom of this article? Cheers, cab 10:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation box 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 17:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: What about Miao and Hmong, Jing people and Vietnamese, Tajiks in China and Tajiks. 218.188.90.194 (talk) 02:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: No need to merge

message: I've explained my rationale earlier here and on the Hui discussion thread.  Merging Hui into Dungan would be sort of like merging Mexicans into an article on Mexican Americans. "Dungans" call themselves Hui, whether they live in China, Kyrgzstan, Uzbekistan, or Russia.--Mack2 (talk) 17:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree, Dungans and Hui have separate identities.  Mar de Sin Speak up! 18:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with merging the two articles. The Hui and Dungan are related, but not completely interchangeable. David Straub (talk) 03:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Should merge Dungan into Hui

message: There's so much extra space at the bottom.  Someone (please) fix it.68.148.164.166 (talk) 08:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  End Of The Article 

message: Another claim is they called themselves 东岸人 when asked, without realizing the "asker"s were asking their ethnic group. Then the name Dong'an became Dungan by misinformation. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 18:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Looking at the history for Sep 17-18, 2011, one can see a large amount of (mostly sourced) material removed, and some (both sourced and un-sourced) material added, by User:Arash Shah and  14.104.179.19. I can't research this seriously at the moment, to figure what makes sense and what does not. But note, for example, the replacement of the census-derived numbers in the summary table with larger, round numbers, and adding Farsi among the language spoken (hardly common, I am sure). -- Vmenkov (talk) 15:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the removal of sourced material was excessive. Also the article now gave the wrong impression that these people call themselves Dungan, which is not true. They call themselves Hui and the word Dungan is used mainly by Turkic and Tajik neighbors to refer to this group. I corrected this in first sentence but it could be made more clear later as well. Also, Russians called them Dungans, but even in Soviet Union and post-Soviet Central Asian states they called themseves Hui. ~Mack2~ (talk) 05:23, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large-scale removal of material 

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