Talk:British Rail Class 323

message: 1.The article makes reference to Hunslet collapsing. Perhaps this needs to be re-written as to the best of my knowledge, Hunslet was taken over by other manufactures and now trades under a different name. 60.241.240.218 (talk) 04:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hunslet 

message: The official Government plan is now that Northern will now receive all of London Midland's 323s. 94.192.241.209 (talk) 13:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good to hear, though ten years on the newly minted West Midlands Trains has repainted all the existing 323s and is still running them daily. Do we have an updated idea on what's going to happen to them once they're replaced, and, if they're going to Northern, whether they'll have a continued life after *they* get bored of them? As a lifelong Brummie this near-unique, charismatic little workhorse class seem rather like "our" trains, and it'd be sad if they were just unceremoniously scrapped after nearly 30 years of faithful (and accidentally musical!) service. Line electrification is progressing rather more slowly than it should be, but there are new sections coming online now and then, so there might be new lines they could explore, maybe leveraging their inherently better accessibility to take over from a set of Pacers... 80.189.129.246 (talk) 22:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: London Midland and Northern 323s

message: Only a minor thing, but I'm sure the class 310s were pressed into service in the early days of the cross-city line's electrification, as well as some of the old DMUs? In fact the old slam-door, continuous-whine electrics seemed far more common than the diesels, as the 323s were introduced and gradually overcame their reliability issues. Rode that line almost daily in the early/mid 90s and must only have been on a diesel once or twice, but slammed many doors before it all became push-button... 193.63.174.10 (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ten years later on (since I wrote that comment) and it seems that this has been at least partly corrected: the actual trains used after the Cross-city's electrification were Class 116 EMUs ... it's actually listed as such on the 116 article, but I'll have to double-check this one. The description and photos of the 116s on said article certainly match what I remember riding. 80.189.129.246 (talk) 22:29, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

text: ...edit: Derp. Scratch that. I somehow didn't realise that the 116s were DMUs even though I ended up on that page after looking through pages about diesel railbuses. From the rest of the article though, it looks like I might have been thinking about the 304s, 308s or 310/311s. They appear to have very nearly the same body design, just with different powerplants and the addition of a pantograph (plus a power electronics cabinet built underneath it...). 80.189.129.246 (talk) 22:53, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: 304 and 308 have the same body design as each other. All of the others are very different from each other. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:10, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previous units on B'ham X-city line 

message: Hi. Just to let you know, the Commons category for Class 323s is now completely sorted by operator and livery. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Commons images

message: How many units are going to Northern? Both websites referenced say all 26, but it has been listed in the article as 17 until reverted earlier today. Also, if 17 is the correct number, are the remaining 9 transferring to ScotRail? Or is this just unsourced speculation? Cheers, PinkPanda272 (talk) 17:53, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cascade to Northern 

message: The current image on this page shows a 323 in version of the Northern livery which is no longer the standard. With this in mind I replaced it with this image which is more representative of what these units currently look like.
In addition, on 13th June 2020 an additional reference was added for the Ardwick derailment mentioned in Accidents and Incidents.
On 5th July, both of these fairly reasonably looking edits were reverted in a short space of time by unregistered user 2a00:23c5:882:6101:55c9:c343:3019:5b12 with no edit reason provided - can anyone see why?
Python megapixel (talk) 13:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Reversions July 5th 2020 

message: I have updated the future section a few times just get the wording right, and have updated some grammar. Maurice Oly (talk) 01:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits Monday 7th September 

message: and , do you have a reliable source that states that Class 323s entered service in 1992? SK2242 (talk) 00:35, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The source I have provided is behind a paywall but it clearly states the 323s entered service on 7th February 1994. It contains a number of key dates concerning the introduction of the 323s. As mentioned, the Cross-City Driver's Eye View by Video125 also states 1994, as does Zebra Films' West Midlands Multiple Units DVD which actually shows the first public run in February 1994. The first 323 set wasn't completed until November 1992 anyway, let alone tested or commissioned. My edit certainly wasn't malicious, but an attempt to correct a mistake that has persisted on this article for years. L1v3rp00l (talk) 14:12, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

text: I just rechecked my sources (two books by historian John Boynton) and it would appear that it was 1994 when they entered service. From the way I read it, I don't think they provided all the cross city line services until 1995, when all the technical problems had been resolved. A number of elderly units operated the services in the interim. G-13114 (talk) 20:35, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date entered service 

message: So I have found photos of the class 323 from when they had TVs on board.
Could we maybe use this site as a source for that?
https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Daybyday/2005/2005-03-25-Birmingham-Area/i-g2ZVZNJ/A Maurice Oly (talk) 20:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  On board TVs. 

message: So I was reading though reference 2 the class 323 drivers manual and on page 43 it lists safety systems on that page the manual says of AWS “AWSIS Automatic warning system (now known as TPWSIS)”
However on page 50 there is a table which talks about a AWS isolation Switch but I judging but is on page 43 it seems like that switch may now be used for isolating TWPS.
So should we keep AWS as a listed safety system in the infobox or not? Maurice Oly (talk) 04:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes because they are linked with one other. AWS is a historic term that should be left as is. Nightfury 08:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  AWS? 

message: As can be seen I have removed reference 3 from the infobox as reference 3 is from 1994 and Allerton TMD was closed until 2012 thus reference 3 can’t back up that the Class 323 is allocated to Allerton TMD.
I have a feeling that reference 3 states the Class 323 is allocated to Longsight Electric TMD not Allerton TMD simply due to Longsight TMD being in Manchester and open in 1994.
The link below backs up that Allerton TMD did not re-open until 2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20171225092039/https://www.railengineer.uk/2012/06/27/allerton-reborn/
Sorry the link is from archive.org but the orignal link is dead so I had to use an archived link.
Please can we find a reffrence that backs up that the Class 323 is allocated to both Soho TMD and Allerton TMD. Maurice Oly (talk) 13:12, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depos 

message: The current image is terrible! I've been trying to change it with much better images but keeps on being reverted back to this grainy terrible image! I don't want to start an edit war but it is highly annoying when a much improved image gets changed by something far worse. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/323210_AST.jpg This is, in my opinion, a much better image and is much clearer and less grainy.  Vanmanyo (talk) 12:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The image you're trying to add is not clearer, and is far darker. Sorry, but I have to agree with G-13114 here. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 14:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention the side margins are  extremely narrow. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 17:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image