Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Powderfinger/Archive 2

message: Just to point this out to everyone; I've tried to compile an archive of the Powderfinger newsletter.  Anyone else who subscribes is encouraged to add any copies they have in there. This could be really useful for article referencing (primary sources, though..). Happy editing everyone! Giggy Talk | Review 00:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice ref, Gig. --lincalinca 02:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Man I'm stupid.  Turns out I had 3 pages in my hotmail folder (why would anyone want 10 messages/page anyway?), so I've just found a few more, back to the start of June (when I subscribed to the newsletter).  I may occasionally try random URL typing (since they're all based on date) to try and get more, but I have a life too :P Giggy Talk | Review 04:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: C'mon now, don't be silly. None of us has a life. Haha. --lincalinca 04:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, I'll race you!  See who can find all of the newsletters from their month of birth first :P Giggy Talk | Review 04:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not on their mailing list. I get most of my Powderfinger info from google alerts. --lincalinca 06:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newsletter Archive 

message: 3 new articles have now been created thanks to Forza for Sink Low and Belter (song), and I have just created Process This.  I was going to do Automatic (Powderfinger song), but couldn't work out where this song comes from, it was nominated for an ARIA in 1996 for best engineer.  So if someone wants to do it, please do.  I have also rated these articles and added them to the template and fixed the project page.
Let's try and get the last few articles created. WP:FING#Articles to create.  Slabba 00:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I used to have the Automatic EP, but that was years ago and I don't know what happened to it. Curiously, Hindley Site doesn't even note it in any way as a song or anything. Rather strange. I'll see what I can find about it, but it's been over ten years since I remember having it. Chances are, I swapped it for something else. --lincalinca 02:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work Slab! Giggy Talk | Review 01:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Articles 

message: For those who haven't noticed, I'm currently working on bringing the article to GA.  I've expanded all the sections, added refs, etc.  Now we just need a copyedit, and a bit more info about These Days live and Fingerprints.
The main reason I'm here, though, is to get feedback on if we need a section on Sunsets (DVD). Thoughts, opinions? Giggy Talk | Review 05:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. It's just a single DVD anyway, it's not an album, per se. It's just the same as the "Take Me In" video single from Double Allergic, which doesn't have its own write up, and that's because it's simply an appendage or a "collateral damage" release of DA, just as Sunsets is for Vulture Street. --lincalinca 04:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks for that.  I wasn't sure on its notability, so it's good to have confirmation. Giggy Talk | Review 04:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Powderfinger]] Question 

message: Just as a heads up, Powderfinger has been added to WP:GAC.  Let's make this our 2nd GA! Giggy Talk | Review 04:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powderfinger nominated for GA 

message: I was just thinking that perhaps we should merge "The Metre" and "Waiting for the Sun" as they were released as a double a-side.  Since, "Good-Day Ray" and "Don't Wanna Be Left Out" are together.  What do you all think? Slabba 08:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. I was thinking that myself just a few days back anyway. --lincalinca 09:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of the info is identical to the info in the other article; merge them. RaNdOm26 09:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: . As well as that, I've merged the music boxes and was about to update the template, but someone already did that. Thanks Random. --lincalinca 09:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work guys!  I was wondering what happened when I first saw the new article on my watchlist, but it's the right move.  :) Giggy Talk 01:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No messing around lol!  Good work on the merge.  If other people haven't done so already, I'll check the links and update them to the new page. Slabba 08:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just gone through the links, I think the only ones left were from user pages, also removed a few links from The Doors pages that linked to "Waiting for the Sun". Slabba 09:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I just used the "what links here" option.  For example, I went to "The Metre", it redirects you, but then you go to the actual "The Metre" page then click "what links here" if that made any sense.  I've never used AWB, probably too technical for me lol!  Slabba 01:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I edit from work, where I can't add software so I have to deal with that. I don't have it at home either because that would mean I'm really addicted, so, yeah. lincalinca 01:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I guessed you did that Slabba.  Not sure if you would be approved for AWB (per edit count), but you could look in to it :)  Linc, I don't have it at school either, so most of the (planned) moves etc. I make are done at home.  I am really addicted! Giggy Talk 01:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: Anything notable about this song - does anybody want to improve the article - or do we AfD? Giggy Talk 22:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hindley Street (song)]] 

message: OK, I've created this article, and I also decided to take a shot at DYK.  It's been submitted here, so here's hoping it gets through :) Giggy\Talk 06:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pick Up the Pace]] created 

message: Hey! So I'm back! My computer died, and I was intending on helping with promote the quality of the flagship article t get ready for FAC, but I'm back on now, though maybe not for long, so I'm making the most that I can now. I've upped the ante on "The Day You Come" so that it's now a comfortable Start Class, but we need more info on there. Iknow it's an older song, but to many, it was the group's breakout song. There's a lot of information to be found about the songs, lots of references, both web and otherwise. I think if we dedicate some time to the article, it'd make GA. Unlike an album or an Artist, a song's quite an easy thing to get promoted, as long as it's exhausive and VERY well written (which it isn't now, even with the stuff I've just written). Much could be added (it's the lead single, and I don't think that's mentioned) and charts need t be defined (offhand, I believe it's noe of the few songs that has garnered a chart spot in the UK and somewhere else overseas, but I'll investigate that). What do you guys think? We've got at least one or two singles from each article that shows promise enough to be made into a solid GA, and this I believe could become an FA even (thugh not before getting Powderfinger there). What do you say? Team effort? --lincalinca 14:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Team effort?  Arr, sounds good.  I'm working on another song GA now, which will probably help in some way (it gives me something to work off).  Also, on another note, I've emailed Powderfinger's website asking for a free image to use, so here's hoping! Giggy\Talk 01:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Day You Come 

message: I've started drafting an article for this here.  Any help would be appreciated. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 23:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Article created, at Ross McLennan (drummer). Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 08:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ross McLennan 

message: List of Powderfinger awards is dangerously close to becoming a successful (hopefully) FLC candidate. All comments are appreciated either here, at the article's Wikipedia:Peer review/List of Powderfinger awards, article's talk page or at my talk page. Thanks, Sebi [talk] 07:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looking fantastic Spebi!  Great work! Slabba 08:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Sebi, don't feel like I'm stepping on your toes, but I've nominated the article for WP:FLC. It's likely to receive more attention than the WP:PR page anyway. I'm very impressed with where you have taken this articler from where it was when I started it (well, split it out from the main Powderfinger article). I've skimmed over it and, having already brought the Crowded House list to FL, I don't see any reason this shouldn't also receive the same honour. --lincalinca 08:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, Linca, I was kind of waiting for someone else to nominate the article, because I was slightly confused that the article wasn't read. I'll have another thorough look-through in a moment making those minor detail changes, et cetera. Thanks again for your help on the article, Sebi [talk] 09:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's ok. I like to finish what I start. This, if promoted, will be the fourth article I've started to become featured. That makes me pretty proud! --lincalinca 11:42, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Powderfinger awards 

message: I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject Powderfinger/Notices, which we should use to keep members informed of what's happening in the project at the moment. I don't think that the monthly newsletter is sent out anymore, so I created this. ~ Sebi [talk] 23:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've not bothered with the newsletter - lots of work with minimal payout, and I'm starting to find them annoying anyway...so yeah, this is good.  It's going straight to my talk page :)  — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New notices function 

message: Hey guys!  I was without internet for most of today (grumble grumble), and as there wasn’t much else going on, I found myself doing some offline composition, reviewing, etc.  One of the things I ended up doing was looking through the companion booklet for Fingerprints, and finding a few tidbits of useful information we could use for articles.  There are also some great images here, although I get the feeling they’d all be fair use (if I scanned them).  Everything in “quotations” is taken directly from the booklet, so we can definitely use it for song meanings etc.
In all cases, I think the following would be OK for referencing (obviously, you’ll need to change the page reference, and I’ve cited them below):
Powderfinger (Fanning, Middleton, Haug, Collins, Coghill) et. al. (2005).  Fingerprints: The Best of Powderfinger, 1994 - 2000 companion booklet.  Page x
#Bless My Soul - 4:06 - Page 1
#:Recorded, produced, mixed by Nick DiDia (redlink?)
#:Assisted by Anton Hagop
#:Recorded and mixed at Studios 301, Byron Bay, Australia
#:Mastered by Don Bartley, Studios 301, Sydney Australia
#:Backing vocals by Annie Peterson and Alison St Ledger.
#:Universal Music Australia, 2005.
#My Happiness - 4:37 - Page 1
#:My Happiness is “a sad story of touring and the absence and loneliness that goes with it, but is mystifyingly still thought of as a romantic song.”  Played on the David Letterman Show in 2001.
#::Produced by Nick DiDia and Powderfinger, recorded and mixed by Nick DiDia.
#::Assisted by Matt Voight and Anton Hogap
#::Recorded at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mixed at Studios 301, Sydney
#::Mastered by Stephen Marcussen Mastering Hollywood California USA
#::Percussion by Alex Pertout
#::Grudge Records Australia, 2000
#Waiting For the Sun - 3:52 - Page 1
#:First played at the “Gone South Festival” at Launceston (Tasmania), where PF met Paul Kelly, Silverchair, and Grinspoon. Them first meeting Silverchair could be mentioned in the Across the Great Divide article?
#::Produced by Nick DiDia and Powderfinger, recorded and mixed by Nick DiDia.
#::Assisted by Matt Voight and Anton Hogap
#::Recorded at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mixed at Studios 301, Sydney
#::Mastered by Stephen Marcussen Mastering Hollywood California USA
#::Percussion by Alex Pertout
#::Hammond by Matt Murphy
#::Grudge Records Australia, 2000
#Pick You Up - 4:19 - Page 3
#:Worked on this at “two consecutive soundchecks, and a room in the Lynham Motor Inn in Canberra in mid 1995”.  First played at Lismore RSL, where the key was “a fifteen-dollar Maton guitar that Bernard’s mum found at a garage sale in Brissy.”  Original title was “Room 19” after the hotel in Canberra.  
#::Produced by Tim Whitten and Powderfinger, recorded and mixed by Tim Whitten.
#::Recorded at Q Studios, Sydney, and Sunshine Studios Brisbane
#::Mixed at Mirage Studios, Sydney
#::Mastered by Don Bartley, Studios 301 Sydney
#::Cello by Sarah Pete
#::Polydor Records Australia, 1996
#Passenger - 4:09 - Page 3
#:Played at Triple J’s celebrations for 25th anniversary of Opera House (doesn’t say if that’s the first performance, assume it isn’t).  The Cruel Sea and Marcy Playground also played on that day.  “Passenger was the first time that Tiddas joined us in the studio.”  
#:: Recorded, produced, mixed by Nick DiDia
#::Assisted by Dave “Double Dave” Davis
#::Recorded and Mixed at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mastered by Don Bartley, Studios 301 Sydney
#::Backing vocals by Lou Bennett, Sally Dastey, and Amy Saunders (aka. Tiddas)
#::Horn section by Tony Laffs - Trumpet and Flugehorn Andrew Hammond - Trombone Martin Zakharov - Tenor and Bariton Saxaphone, Flute Horns Arrangement by Tony Laffs
#::Polydor Records Australia, 1998
#Don’t Wanna Be Left Out - 2:12 - Page 3
#:Darren (Middleton) came up with the “basic Dick Dale style of the song, but it was about four times slower and ballady”  Released as a double A-side with Good Dary Ray.  “The jury is still out on the video for this song.”  (DM: God, that is the WORST video I’ve seen in a long time...)
#:: Recorded, produced, mixed by Nick DiDia
#::Assisted by Dave “Double Dave” Davis
#::Recorded and Mixed at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mastered by Don Bartley, Studios 301 Sydney
#::Polydor Records Australia, 1998
#These Days (Two Hands version) - 4:38 - Page 3
#:Gregor Jordan asked PF to write a song for Two Hands (whose movie director was Chris Gough - this can all be added to Two Hands (1999 film)).  “(These Days) was the first and so far only time we’ve had to match music to vision.”  The lyrics address the “daily pressures of time”.
#::Produced by Powderfinger and Mark McElligott
#::Mastered by Dave Macquarie, Studios 301 Sydney
#::Grudge Records Australia, 1999
#The Day You Come - 3:59 - Page 6
#:Demoed and written in the basement of Ian’s (Haug) East Brisbane home.  Recorded by “Magoo”, and “mixed by new guy Nick DiDia.”  “This was the first time we’d worked with Nick, whose specialty is comedy, not music or production.”
#::Recorded and mixed by Nick DiDia
#::Produced by Lachalan “Magoo” Goold.
#::Assisted by Dave “Double Dave” Davis
#::Recorded and Mixed at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mastered by Don Bartley, Studios 301 Sydney
#::Polydor Records Australia, 1999
#D.A.F. - 3:31 - Page 6
#:Written (along with “Boing Boing”, also from Double Allergic) at a school retreat called Camp Mallon, near Moogerah Dam, west of Brisbane.  Title is the chord progression (the rumours were true!)
#::Produced by Tim Whitten and Powderfinger, recorded and mixed by Tim Whitten.
#::Recorded at Q Studios, Sydney, and Sunshine Studios Brisbane
#::Mixed at Mirage Studios, Sydney
#::Mastered by Don Bartley, Studios 301 Sydney
#::Polydor Records Australia, 1996
#My Kind of Scene - 4:37 - Page 6
#:PF were asked to write a song to go on the MI2 soundtrack.  This was the first song written when putting together Odyssey #5.  PF’s first American tour was with Coldplay (DM: I am SO jealous...that would be the most awesome tour ever!), whom they first met at the 2001 Big Day Out.
#::Produced by Nick DiDia and Powderfinger, recorded and mixed by Nick DiDia.
#::Assisted by Matt Voight and Anton Hogap
#::Recorded at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mixed at Studios 301, Sydney
#::Mastered by Stephen Marcussen Mastering Hollywood California USA
#::Percussion by Alex Pertout
#::Grudge Records Australia, 2000
#Like a Dog - 4:18 - Page 10
#:Strongly influenced by Hoggy’s (Ian Haug) love of Iggy Pop, plus the band’s feelings towards the Howard Government’s treatment of Indigenous Australians.  Idea of using Anthony Mundine in the video was that of Paul Butler and Scott Walton.
#::Produced by Nick DiDia and Powderfinger, recorded and mixed by Nick DiDia.
#::Assisted by Matt Voight and Anton Hogap
#::Recorded at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mixed at Studios 301, Sydney
#::Mastered by Stephen Marcussen Mastering Hollywood California USA
#::Backing vocals by Lou Bennett, Sally Dastey, and Amy Saunders (aka. Tiddas).
#::Percussion by Alex Pertout
#::Grudge Records Australia, 2000
#Already Gone - 3:28 - Page 10
#:“This is us loving the Beatles, and the production is a reflection of that.”  “Became a bit of a favourite on commercial radio.”
#::Recorded, produced, mixed by Nick DiDia
#::Assisted by Dave “Double Dave” Davis
#::Recorded and Mixed at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mastered by Don Bartley, Studios 301 Sydney
#::Polydor Records Australia, 1998
#Process This - 3:21 - Page 10
#:Produced and recorded by Nick DiDia and Tony Reyes.
#:Mixed by Brendan O’Brien
#:Engineered by Nick DiDia
#:Additional engineering by Anton Hagop
#:Assistant engineer by Catherine Claire
#:Recorded at Studios 301, Byron Bay, Australia
#:Mixed at Southern Tracks Atlanta GA USA
#:Mastered by Bab Ludwig Gateway Mastering Portland ME USA
#:Universal Music Australia, 2003.
#Belter - 4:14 - Page 10
#:PF’s attempt at “Helter Skelter”.  “A certain member of the band (plays bass) was paranoid that people would think that the title referred to domestic violence (belt her).”  (DM: For the record, John Collins plays bass xD)
#::Recorded, produced, mixed by Nick DiDia
#::Assisted by Dave “Double Dave” Davis
#::Recorded and Mixed at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mastered by Don Bartley, Studios 301 Sydney
#::Polydor Records Australia, 1998
#Living Type - 3:23 - Page 11
#:First played whilst opening for You Am I on their “Uptight Express Tour”.  These shows were PF’s “big stage debut.” 
#::Produced by Tim Whitten and Powderfinger, recorded and mixed by Tim Whitten.
#::Recorded at Q Studios, Sydney, and Sunshine Studios Brisbane
#::Mixed at Mirage Studios, Sydney
#::Mastered by Don Bartley, Studios 301 Sydney
#::Backing vocals by Alison St Ledger and Tylea Croucher
#::Polydor Records Australia, 1996
#Thrilloilogy - 6:08 - Page 11
#:“As a rule” PF try to right at least one “epic trilogy” per album.  Each song had on “oi” in the title. (DM: Powderfinger's Oi Song Trilogy).  A Brisbane comedian named Matt Murphy played keys on this song (and a few other tracks on Odyssey #5), and Tiddas sang on it.
#::Produced by Nick DiDia and Powderfinger, recorded and mixed by Nick DiDia.
#::Assisted by Matt Voight and Anton Hogap
#::Recorded at Sing Sing Studios, Melbourne
#::Mixed at Studios 301, Sydney
#::Mastered by Stephen Marcussen Mastering Hollywood California USA
#::Backing vocals by Lou Bennet, Sally Dastey, Amy Sounders (aka. Tiddas) & Damien Wurlitzer by Matt Murphy
#::Grudge Records Australia, 2000
#Sink Low - 2:13 - Page 12
#:”This song reminds us of touring up, down, and around Australia in the early nineties.  We drove from Brisbane - Sydney - Melbourne - Adelaide at least 25 times between 1992 and 1996.” (DM: See the stuff on the “Econodogs” on Powderfinger Central fansite). 
#::Produced by Tony Cohen
#::Engineered by Jeff Lovejoy and Andy Baldwin
#::Recorded at Metropolis Studios Melbourne
#::Mastered by Don Bartley Studios 301 Sydney
#::Polydor Records Australia, 1994
That’s it for songs.  A few extra personnel notes, from page 14.
*Manager: Paul Piticco and “secret service staff” - Brian Quinn, Annette Perkins, Janne Scot, and Jean Reid.
*Art direction by: The Revolution
*All songs written and performed by Powderfinger.
*All songs published by Egg The Nest Songs Pty Ltd
*Alternative title for Fingerprints: “From Heavy Metal to Centenary Medal”
That’s the lot.  Whilst typing this I’ve been able to think of a use for almost all the information here...even if it’s just a personnel section for every album (since in most cases the personnel is the same for every song on the album - just some extra backing vocals), but in most cases there other tidbits of information that can be added.  Time to get to work!  — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: would probably be a better choice but, great find!! This will become very useful! Good work! :) ~ Sebi [talk] 21:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  *sigh* This looks like a lot of work. Can't we just get a bot to somehow weed out all the useful info, put it on the appropriate pages and we'll copyedit after that? That sounds much easier to me. --lincalinca 04:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought Sebi's a bot ;-)  — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Struck GOLD! 

message: The article is currently at FAC.  All comments are welcome here. Thanks, — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 02:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dream Days at the Hotel Existence]] at FAC 

message: I've looked through Powderfinger Central a bit, and found a few articles about this EP, so I've expanded the article a good deal.  Anything else that you can find would be sweet :) Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 00:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it turns out that Take40 hosts the music video for "Reap What You Sow", so I've added the info about that. I've also nominated the article for WP:GAC. I'd say we've got a good chance with this one now! --lincalinca 04:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Transfusion (EP)]] 

message: Is there any way to implement collapsible headings on the wikiproject page, such that you can have a heading, just to hide the lists, if you get what I mean?  Like the category trees. Slabba 23:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean to collapse each section, or just the tables? --lincalinca 23:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I mean the tables, you know how the articles covered section has category trees, can you do a similar sort of thing for the pages in in the tables?  Hope that's a little clearer. Slabba 00:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Linca, I see that you've added the collapsible parameters to the tables, but nothing seems different?  Is there something I'm missing?  I've tried viewing the page in firefox and IE. Slabba 00:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Working now! Good one. Slabba 00:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I just tweaked it further, so it looks a bit more presentable. Hope that's what you were after. Did you want to encapsulate anything else, or just them? --lincalinca 01:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I was away doing something else.  Yeah, I reckon that looks great, makes it more tidier and accessible to find what you're after.  Doesn't make the page so long, which is good.  It's good that you've kept the urgent section expanded too.  Slabba 01:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to get real fancy, I guess you could try adding some sort tags to it if you want.  Slabba 01:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't span columns in sortable tables (well, you can, but they don't exactly work properly, they unclick like a rubick's cube and it's hard to reassemble them) plus, I'm not sure if it's possible to make collapsible sortable tables. We'll have to see. --lincalinca 03:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

text: That's fair enough, I appreciate what you have done. Slabba 03:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries! I'm happy to, and thanks for the barnstar! =) --lincalinca 05:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just an idea...