Talk:Cruel and unusual punishment

message: The wiki at the bottom of the main body section is inappropriate. In a paragraph discussing a SCOTUS decision concerning mandatory minimum sentences in the United States, the wiki on "mandatory minimum sentences" redirects to "Whole Life Tariff"--a concept in 'British' law.   I have redirected this wiki to "Mandatory sentencing", as it is not germane to the paragraph: (the two concepts, albeit related are not the same) mandatory minimums in the United States are not necessarily life-sentences and concern different legal traditions in different countries.  
ColinKennedy 22:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's debatable? Locking someone in a little concrete room with bars on the windows is an act of cruelty, isn't it? Ellsworth 19:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, but imprisonment is not equal to punishment.  I don't think that, for example, temporarily revoking someone's driver's license if that person was found to be driving far over the speed limit is necessarily an act of cruelty. 68.230.24.148 04:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mandatory Minimums

message: :A list of notable US cases relating to cruel and unusual punishment
Link removed, no longer directs people to the correct website, simply sends them directly to Oyez.com
67.52.194.50 14:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expired link

message: what determines if a punishment is cruel and unusual? possibly useful, or interesting, link (focuses on the US 8th amendment).Darker Dreams 01:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  method of determination? 

message: Does anyone have a source for the claim that capital punishment has been part of the US law since the founding?
LinuxMercedes (talk) 22:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a few refs Arthurrh (talk) 23:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really a part of US law since inception? 

message: The section on impalement makes two contradictory statements.  The third sentence says impalement leads to "rapid, painful, death." The sixth sentences says "Death could take many days."  Which is the correct statement? BecauseWhy? (talk) 23:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the infobox because the first statement in question has apparently been reversed. --Jesdisciple (talk) 00:16, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: Protocol 6 to the The European Convention on Human Rights, adopted in 1983, bans the death penalty.
--JamesWim (talk) 16:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Law 

message: The part about impalement says in one sentence that the death is rapid, and in another that it could take many days. Which is it? --UberScienceNerd Talk Contributions 23:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to make the same comment, but it seems I have been beaten to it by a couple of months. Still, nothing has been done about this. While the layout of the paragraph might seem to imply that "Death could take many days" refers specifically to the case where the victim is hoisted in the air, I see no reason why this should have the effect of prolonging the victim's life in the slightest, let alone by days. On the other hand, I am no expert in this subject, so someone with a reliable source should probably take a look at this. Robin S (talk) 02:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: To me, the statement has actually encouraged violences that are not supposed to happen.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.190.54 (talk) 03:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Be cruel to be kind --- dictionary of Wiki Idoms ??? 

message: The current text suggests that decapitation is a "deliberately painful" form of execution.  History suggests very much the opposite, that it was viewed as an exceptionally preferable method of execution from the condemned's view and that of society.  Indeed, often it was reserved for members of the higher classes and even "bestowed" as a form of clemency.  
The text also suggests that it is a "severe" form of the death penalty--severe, I suppose, in relation to what?  Death by dessert or old age?  Poisoning?  Shooting?  But Time magazine is the source, so this is no surprise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.118.254 (talk) 20:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decapitation "deliberately painful." 

message: The impalement section refers to the practice occurring in Europe and Asia during the middle ages, and says that Vlad the Impaler learned the practice from imprisonment in Constantinople/Istanbul. The reference to Asia had a 'where?' tag.
Since Constantinople effectively became Istanbul in 1453, when Vlad was 22, he would have been the prisoner of either the Byzantines or (much more likely, his traditional enemy) the Ottoman Turks. Both of these powers controlled hundreds of thousands of square miles of Asia during centuries-long stretches of the middle ages, along with Constantinople/Istanbul itself, which is in Europe. If either of these peoples practiced impalement during Vlad's lifetime, they did so in both Europe and Asia during the middle ages. QED.
According to the 1888 Encyclopedia Britannica article 'Mongols,' the Khanate practiced impalement in the mid 1200s, during which time they invaded Turkic lands. Whether or not the Turks could be said to have learned it from them (as the peoples of the Baltic region did), the Mongol empire extended from Manchuria to Poland to Arabia, which seems sufficient justification for the statement all by itself. Our article on impalement says that it was also traditional in Malay lands, and in at least some parts of India. Do we need a list? 69.106.56.96 (talk) 02:57, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed the {{where}} tag in the Impalement section 

message: I don't know why, but this article seems to strongly imply that all cruel and unusual punishments are death sentences. Is there any reason why there shouldn't be other less extreme examples added? 173.183.79.81 (talk) 20:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, like Soybeans. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/us/soy-diet-is-cruel-and-unusual-florida-inmate-claims.html?partner=rss&emc=rss Hcobb (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So incredibly trivial that youj shouldn't even be noting it here, Hcobb. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not just executions 

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