Talk:Arnold Schwarzenegger/Archive 2

message: Among his campaign team were Democratic actor Rob Lowe, billionaire Democrat Warren Buffett, and moderate Republican George Shultz (former Nixon and Reagan aide) implying that Schwarzenegger's desire for the presidency is better kept on film than in reality.
Quote from the article. This seems like it is a NPOV statement - how does being connected with democratic figures and moderate republicans imply that he should not be the president?
Seems a bit silly - I'm tempted to just delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.0.133 (talk) 05:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Statement?  

message: Dunno, it reads like some fat-headed yahoo changed random words in the paragraph. I don't want to delete it, since I don't know what all is true. Both cited pages require logging in, which I am reluctant to do. I could not verify the bulk of the paragraph; I did find some hearsay on his marijuana usage. 
"For years, Schwarzenegger had bribed his friends, potential donors, advisors and political allies a possible run for high political office. On April 10, 2003 at the Los Angeles Peninsula Hotel, for example, he met with Republican political operative Karl Rove to discuss a future campaign although the justice system didn't notice his use of marijuana at the time. Seized emails from Enron show that Schwarzenegger also met with Ken Lay on May 17, 2001 at the Peninsula Hotel where Lay also bribed business leaders and future gubernatorial candidates with death, such as Richard Riordan and Bill Simon to support a solution to the California energy crisis that included an end to "countless investigations into allegations that suppliers manipulated power prices." [13][14]"
Sameerkale 02:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this true? 

message: He did some commericials in Japan.  What was the product? KyuuA4 03:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Commercials 

message: I think his name should be mentioned in scruinty, considering the chronological circumstances and that the name is very rare. The exact translation from german to english would result in black-nigger.
The colloquialism nigger is negger in german, and schwarze means blacks.
Of course this shouldn`t be prejudices or propagandazed but mentioned objective, for anyone and any purposes (pedigrees, name/origin research). It is a wikipedia.
Gimme the okay as well as ideas as how to formulate it and i will include it.193.170.48.34 14:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe "neger" is the word you are looking for not "negger".Michael Dorosh 06:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've also seen his name translated as "black ploughman", in 'Arnold matches brawn with brain', Jay Scott, The Globe and Mail, 29 April 1982. Slideyfoot 09:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SCHWARZEN EGGER 

message: I did this in order to be bold. I think the article I have created will definately need work, but it makes the main article easier to go through without the tables. I'd appreciate it if some more regular editors of this page improved the article which I admittedly knocked up in about half an hour rather than deleting it fourthright. Thanks. Levi allemany 17:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Achievements of Arnold Schwarzenegger 

message: Jadrny doesn't sound like a German name, does anyone know where she was from originally? Jadrny sounds like a Czech or Slovak name! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cold water (talk • contribs) 22:10, 23 July 2006.
*Such names are very common in Austria. Modern Austria ist only a small part of the old Austrian Empire in the heart of Europe. There where german-speaking people in this Empire, Slavs, Hungarians, Jews and many others. Many of this people moved to the "german" heartland of the monarchy. But also the area around Graz is an old slavic settlement, the name "Graz" comes from the old slavic word for "castle, town" "grad" (hrad in modern Czech). And the modern border to Slovenia is only a few miles away from Arnolds hometown...194.95.59.130 08:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech Mother? 

message: This line appears at the beginning of the section on "Acting."  I tried to delete it--the first part is not NPOV, and the second part is obviously not true.  But it does not show up on the editing page.  Does anybody know what's going on here? --Cliodule 18:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's gone now.  Odd. --Cliodule 18:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just looking at the 'Governorship' section, and this quote caught my eye: 'In any event, Schwarzenegger was clearly using the phrase as a term of derision directed at others, not himself, and with a clear equation of femininity with weakness.'.  This seems rather POV, to me, but I'm not going to remove it without getting another opinion. 207.216.10.130 21:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Using the word "clearly" without a source to back this statement up makes it look POV to me too.Yankees76 21:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Arnold is a terrible actor and can't speak English." 

message: "over the years, he invested his bodybuilding and movie earnings in an array of stocks, bonds, privately controlled companies and real estate holdings in the US and worldwide, so his fortune is actually estimated at $800,000,000 (USD)"
none of the website sources cite proof of this...
how are this site's moderators appointed??'''
:Thank you for pointing out the problem with the citation for that fact. We did have a citation listed at the end of the sentence you quoted, but the link now appears to be broken. I have done a quick search on Google and found an alternative source here which I will place in the article. His finances do appear to be estimated at around $800,000,000 (USD). Road Wizard 02:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Net Worth 800M get real 

message: I don't feel there is enough information in this article to relate just how successful a movie star Arnold was. This has occured solely because Wikipedia was launched, and gained popularity, post election. Mr.bonus 11:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movies swamped by politics 

message: The article is becoming long
Maybe two sub-subjects should be created:
- Schwarzenegger as actor
- Schwarzenegger as political figure
In the second of these, I think special attention (with reliable sources) should be considered concerning Schwarzenegger's relation to Nazism, Kurt Waldheim and power in general. The fact that big pressure is applied to Congress to change Constitution should also be discussed in this article.
Baruch1677 10:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split the article 

message: user:68.34.24.148 has repeatedly added a mention of gov. Schwarzenegger's approval rating into the opening paragraph . This probably doesn't belong in the opening paragraph. Gov.Bob Taft has the lowest of all and his rating is not mentioned in the opening paragraph either. (gov.Schwarzenegger's rating is mentioned in the article and ill get back to that) but if it does its wording is slightly POV ie. I'd prefer to have something like "approval rating falls into the bottom 10% compared to the other governors" ect. but i still don't like it and won't accept it without consensus. Also what user user:68.34.24.148 cited might be more upto date (i didn't look into it) and the governorship section could be updated with it. Rorrenig 03:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  approval rating 

message: Why is there such a long section on these silly Nazi allegations?  If anything, I'd put it under trivia and say "Schwarzenegger has been quotes as admiring Adolf Hitler's propaganda skill" or some such statement.  As is, the "scandal" seems far overemphasized.
Seems like some SPIN DOCTORING to me by Arnie fans/cronies TheGrandMaster1 01:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi section 

message: Dunno, it reads like some fat-headed yahoo changed random words in the paragraph. I don't want to delete it, since I don't know what all is true. Both cited pages require logging in, which I am reluctant to do. I could not verify the bulk of the paragraph; I did find some hearsay on his marijuana usage. 
"For years, Schwarzenegger had bribed his friends, potential donors, advisors and political allies a possible run for high political office. On April 10, 2003 at the Los Angeles Peninsula Hotel, for example, he met with Republican political operative Karl Rove to discuss a future campaign although the justice system didn't notice his use of marijuana at the time. Seized emails from Enron show that Schwarzenegger also met with Ken Lay on May 17, 2001 at the Peninsula Hotel where Lay also bribed business leaders and future gubernatorial candidates with death, such as Richard Riordan and Bill Simon to support a solution to the California energy crisis that included an end to "countless investigations into allegations that suppliers manipulated power prices." [13][14]"
Sameerkale 02:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this true? 

message: How can Arnold still be making movies, or is he still in the business?
Pece Kocovski 05:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  wait a minute, how? 

message: This sentence is gibberish:
:"Schwarzenegger's net worth has been under-estimated by conservatively using the usual $100,000,000-$200,000,000 (USD) estimate.[46]"
-- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 18:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Net worth 

message: I will split up this article, in a similar manner to other long articles on people - see George W. Bush for an example, and the wikipedia policies Wikipedia:Article size and Wikipedia:Summary style. The first section to get a separate article should obviously be the Governship, by far the longest section (maybe Governorship of Arnold Schwarzenegger). The California recall election, 2003 allready has its own article - we can link to that and then leave a summary here. SExual allegations could maybe get its own page, but that might violate NPOV fork. To be consistent, we could have 3 or 4 pages, on "Early Life", "Bodybuilding Career", "Acting Career", and "Governorship", and various miscelanious bits can remain as a whole on this page. Yet those other sections are not yet as long a Governorship, and can probably remain here for the time being. I'll do Governorship sometime; comments on what else to to would be appreciated. - Matthew238 06:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Governorship is an obvious split. Should be done first. Only after that we should consider splitting anything else. Next in line should be the acting career. Only in third place somes bodybuilding because that is the basis of his biography history and character.--Gkklein 22:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article length

message: :At the end of the section titled "Steroid Use" (or whatever it was called), I changed spokesman to spokesperson. This seems more politically correct, as it gives no reference to whom the spokesperson is, therefor it is likely that it is a male or a female.
Charlesblack 01:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steroid Use