Talk:HMS Vengeance (R71)

message: The RAN used the White Ensign in the 1950s. The Australian white ensign displayed in the info box came into use in the 1960s. 01:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the catch. Now fixed. -- saberwyn 01:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers, sorry I must have entered too many ~. Ozdaren (talk) 11:18, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is it policy to only show the ensign in use at the time?  If possible I believe the Australian white ensign should be shown for all RAN vessels rather that the RN Ensign.  Using the RN ensign has the disadvantage of implying to many people that the RAN operated under the command of the RN, which was not the case, definitely from 1939 on.  Princebuster5 (talk) 22:07, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's correct, rather that than to show a ship anachronistically carrying a flag that was not introduced until after she had left service. RN ships for example show the ensign used in the navy at the period the ship was in service, so a ship from the seventeenth century has a different ensign from one from the twentieth century. Benea (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, thanks for the guidance.Princebuster5 (talk) 14:48, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for clarity, the convention is to use the "last flag flown".  So, for example,  is shown flying the current Australian naval ensign, even though she flew the old Australian naval ensign (identical to the RN white ensign) when commissioned. - Nick Thorne talk 00:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong flag 

message: I've removed the following uncited claims from the article...if a source can be found, they should be added back in. -- saberwyn 23:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unicted claims 

message: The article presently details a trip to Japan in late Oct 1954 returning Nov 1954 but doesn't identify this as operational service. One of my in-laws' service record (sourced from the Australian National Archives - NAA 5412761 - R28283 George Leonard Lancaster) shows him as posted to the HMAS Vengeance between 1 June 1953 and 13 Nov 1955 and as having operational service (area/operation unspecified) between 27 Oct 1954 and 3 Dec 1954. This coincides with the Japan trip so it appears highly likely this trip was considered operational service. Unfortunately the service record is not more explicit, so using it to support a claim that the trip was operational service would be original research. In any event, unsupported by additional sources it is not enough to be conclusive. Picking up No 77 Squadron suggests that the ship did enter Korean waters and I note that per Annex A to Chapter 16 of the new (Australian) Defence Honours and Awards Manual, medallic entitlement for afloat service within 161 km of the Korean Peninsula during this time period was to the Australian Service Medal with clasp Korea and that such service was therefore considered operational service but not warlike service. It could be useful if someone with more expertise in Australian naval history than I were able to lay their hands on references to establish more details about this trip in a way that does not constitute original research. AusTerrapin (talk) 15:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operational Service in 1954 

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