Talk:Jamaica Plain

message: anyone else here from JP?
:I am. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 08:26, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, me too. I work with the Jamaica Plain Historical Society (www.jphs.org). -- Charlie Rosenberg 5:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Ok, this needs a rewrite on the Lesbian areas.  Most people have no idea what a "sapphist" is, it's not in any current use, and this isn't meant to be a public flyer for lesbians to move to JP.  If for whatever reason it's another gay location, fine.  However, don't start using subjective terms like "populist" and "funky" (especially not funky) to sell the neighborhood.  This isn't Re/Max.
:MSTCrow 07:04, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: While I don't particularly see a probly with the word "Sapphist", I do agree about the advertisement tone of the paragraph. Not sure what to do about it, but I'll have a go. - WikidSmaht (talk) 08:26, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lesbian Stuff 

message: Edited a line citing the MBTA "dragging its feet" to be more professional-soundingKether83 14:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Green Line Controversy

message: Parts of it seem negative (see discussion of gentrification), and hardly objective at all. Am i the only one who thinks this?
:No, the "so-called" professional, activist, and artist shit needs to go. matt kane's brain 16:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. As an aside, it makes conversations easier to follow if you (a) sign your comments with ~~~~ and (b) You use a : to indicate a new section.
Ah, sorry, I'm new at this.--Philbars 19:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does this article seem a little slanted? 

message: I've made some major and minor changes to this page. My aim is to remove unnecessary detail, (all the bus lines) add relevant information (public libraries), remove POV type writing (the Great Streetcar Debate) and develop a proper history of dear old JP. I'm still working on the history - it will come soon. I hope the page reads a little clearer now as it is. More changes to come. MarkinBoston 20:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major changes 

message: I decided to try the monument photo at full size rather than thumbnailed. It's probably the most notable scene in Jamaica Plain, so I think it deserves the emphasis. I'll be adding more pictures, but I'll thumbnail them for economy. Comments welcome. MarkinBoston 20:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monument photo added 

message: I just added the Colonial Era section - I'll be following with with another similar section for the 19th century soon. MarkinBoston 00:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonial Era 

message: Added new section - more to come. MarkinBoston 02:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revolution to Annexation 

message: There's a link in the Name section that has a link that's showing the markup language. I don't know how that happened - it wasn't like that the last time I looked. Any explanation? MarkinBoston 04:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messed up link 

message: I was surprised to see Mary Baker Eddy listed as a notable resident. I thought I was familiar with all the places she lived. Is this a mistaken reference to her last residence at 400 Beacon  Street in Chestnut Hill Brookline? clariosophic 03:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mary Baker Eddy & Forest Hills?

message: It looks too big to me, but I left out a lot to get it down to that size. Hey, JP was a busy place in those years. It wouldn't kill me to see it edited down some. MarkinBoston 05:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added history section JP: Boston Neighborhood 

message: I undid the Undo. I had integrated some of the information in the immediatly predeeding paragraphs. The section you replaced has two statements flagged for lack of citation, and the writing is not clear. Building were not torn down because the area was deemed blighted - there was nothing wrong with the housing in the area, it certainly wasn't a slum. My Aunt and Uncle lived in a house that was torn down on Everett St., so I knew it well. 
Any thing that is not included in the end of the previous section can be added to the Urban Renewal section - like the supermarket development on the Plant Shoe site and the festival without using Undo.
MarkinBoston 02:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Urban Renewal Undo 

message: I've pretty well rewritten much of this page. I'm planning to take some text out of the "JP enters the 20th century" and put it in a new section for the mid-late 20th century. That will end the History section, and the "Present Day" section might get a few more lines. This may take a little time, because I'll have to get references for things like the Hispanic immigration to JP and the busing years. MarkinBoston 03:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plans 

message: Please note: much of the information in the history sections is taken from a single source - the Local Attachments book that is cited multiple times. Anything not cited to another source can be assumed to be taken from that book. Citing it any more often withing the text would be overkill.MarkinBoston 16:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in the History section 

message: MarkinBoston user:MarkedinBoston has made a valient effort to improve this entry. Overall, he has done an excellent job.   Unfortunately, his photography skills / photo selections could be improved.  There were some excellent, historic photos on this sight that have been removed and replaced with small, low quality, camera-phone-like snapshots.  I would encourage him to repost some of those which have been removed and hope others will post high quality images that may not have appeared in the past or may have been lost. cwinder 23:44, 21 August 2007.
Each picture has its associated data on its page - none are "camera-phone" quality. Which pictures are you referring to? And which historic photos? MarkinBoston 22:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need better Photos 

message: A modern map showing neighborhood boundaries (such as they are) would be useful.  For example, plotting the Jamaica Plain BTD parking district would be one helpful indication.  The old map doesn't really show boundaries; it's just generally cropped to show the area. -- Beland (talk) 16:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boundary map 

message: The current notable residents section lists four individuals: John Buckley (b.1964 Carpenter), Gabe Langfur (b.1969 Trombonist, musician), Kenneth Reed (b.1964 Womanizer, Independently weathly), and Sylvia Plath (b.1932 Poet, novelist, and short story writer).  
Obviously the list format is a little frowned-upon for wikipedia articles, but more significantly, Sylvia Plath is the only one of these four "notable" enough to have her own WP article.  Mr. Langfur does appear multiple times on the first results page of a google search for his name, and he seems to be a fairly successful bass trombonist.  Mr. Buckley and Mr. Reed, however, cannot be found anywhere with confidence by someone who is not one of their friends (this is partially due to the commonness of their names, but also due to the lack of description in the post as to why they are of importance to the lay reader).  Since no one reading the article who does not already know of their significance gains from their inclusion, these two need to be removed or their contributions need to be improved (at least say that John Buckley is a "Boston-area carpenter" (if he is) who built such-and-such notable houses in Jamaica plain or runs a popular cabinetry business or something).  Also, regardless of whether he is or not, Mr. Reed's descriptions certainly make his inclusion sound like a joke.  
Since two persons does not really make for a full section on notable residents, I suggest that the section be removed (with my condolences to any of the listed individuals), and that a brief mention of Sylvia Plath be worked into a different section.  If anyone has contributions to make towards the descriptions of the current list, or if more notable residents can be added (didn't Mayor Curley live in Jamaica Plain?  On the current Jamaicaway?), then the section might be salvaged.  --Dgianotti (talk) 18:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a number of historic residents (recognizing that some might want the list to feature current, living residents -- if so, please add them!  When there is more than one, I would not be saddened at all to see the deceased ones removed), and removed Mr. Buckley and Mr. Reed (with my apologies to each of them).  If an editor feels that they should be re-included, please be sure to add a description that ties them to something of (at least) wikipedia's level of notability (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:N for ideas of what is generally considered "notable"), and preferably a keyword that would suggest to readers how to learn more about them.  Thanks.  --Dgianotti (talk) 18:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Residents 

message: Should there be a mention of the long time grassroots efforts to keep large commercial businesses out of JP?  With the press that the Whole Food's move into JP is getting there are plenty of sources talking about previous efforts of residents to keep these types of businesses out.   I also do not see mention of the proposed I95 route from a few decades ago that JP residents successfully got moved out of JP.   I think these are interesting and relevant events.  I do no mind writing something up, but would like to hear some support or opposition before putting the time in.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thevandaley (talk • contribs) 14:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial Businesses in JP 

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