Talk:Expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia

message: This article only speaks about the Germans in in Bohemia and Moravia ("Czech lands"). The post-war expulsion of Carpathian Germans from Slovakia is not mentioned at all. --AtonX (talk) 07:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Asi proto, že tam nežili milióny jako v Česku, ale jen cca 128 tisíc. Honza1978 (talk) 11:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germans in Slovakia should be mentioned 

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Several notes to the Expulsion from Czechoslovakia: Benes proclaimed the program of the newly appointed Czechoslovak government Beneš was not the head of the government, only prime-minister or government as the team is competent to do this.
It is not equal to describe the "Sbor poverenikov" (Board of Slovak Commissioners) as the "an appendage of the Czechoslovak government in Bratislava" The process was complex, but in 1945, till 20 October), "Sbor poverenikov Slovenskej narodnej rady" was an executive part of the Slovak national committee (SNC), and thus fully independent on the Czechoslovak government. Since 28 oct. 1945 to February 1948 the decreasing influnce of SNC meant that the "Sbor" slowly changed into the the detachment of central government. After February 1948 the independence of all Slovak administration was only nominal (though in theory survived till 1960).
So called "reslovakization" reffers only to Slovak territory.
"various forms of persecution, including: expulsions, deportations, internments, peoples court procedures, citizenship revocations, property confiscation, condemnation to forced labour camps, involuntary changes of nationality" I'm not sure if the criminal proceedings and trial shall be involved among "forms of persecution"
"citizenship revocations" again - the decree No. 33/1945 in absolute most of causes only had confirmed the German and Hungarian citizenship the people obtained after 1938. Only several hundreds or thousands cases the citizenship was removed. The "involuntary changes of nationality" were rare and I don't know any case like this. The official policy was Germans must go! - including the Czech members of families.
military command "Alex" was only one organisation of resistance and uprising amd has no broad influence.  Honzula 10:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: Twice the same.Xx236 12:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed--Richard 15:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Postoloprty 

message: Total idiocy. There is a German-Czech agreement. Who knows better than Czech and Germans? Xx236 13:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This verbiage should be cleaned up to reflect that the Joint Commission of Czech and German historians is more recent and arguably more reliable.  It may take me a while to get to it.  Remind me if I forget. --Richard 15:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estimates of casualties range between 15,000 and 270,000 people, depending on source 

message: This is mentioned about the Usti massacre. Is it true? Does the referenced source (Z. Beneš, Rozumět dějinám) really confirm it or is it only referencing to the massacre in general? Irwing 10:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I could not find the reference to this fact in on-line sources, so I removed the statement. Please, if anyone wants to return it, cite the exact part of referred book. Irwing (talk) 11:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Principals of this massacre were arrested and imprisoned. 

message: I've removed a paragraph of text from this article as it appears to be a copyright violation, copied from .  I also removed the speedy deletion tag added to highlight the copyvio as this was inappropiate as there appears to be only one infringing paragraph. Dpmuk (talk) 11:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation 

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thread_title: Move discussion in process

message: It appears there is no separate article for the expulsion of Hungarians. I think it would be a sensible solution to have one common article for the expulsion of both Germans and Hungarians from Czechoslovakia, since it was the same event, with the same "legal" basis. I suggest we move the article to Expulsion of Germans and Hungarians from Czechoslovakia. We should also expand on the fate of Hungarians.  Nagykanizsa (talk) 10:42, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move article to Expulsion of Germans and Hungarians from Czechoslovakia

message: I have a very specific issue with the "concentration camps" part - the only source attached to it comes from "Society Against Expulsion" website, which is a group founded with a very specific view of the real history in mind. Until that part can be supported by some substantial information, this article is severely compromised.
--213.129.141.95 (talk) 14:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There are Czech sources, of course. Could they be included here? Irwing (talk) 07:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Anyway, if some sources are missing, there should be another template, not NPOV. Or could you point to specific points that are biased? Irwing (talk) 07:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, I assume the fact about "concentration camps" for Germans is known, I'm not sure how to find English sources for specific assertions. As wrote abobe, there are Czech sources, the article on Czech wiki mentions e.g. letters from Přemysl_Pitter (, ) or books by historian Tomáš_Staněk (). Again, I think that your problem is in lack of sources, not with particular POV. Irwing (talk) 10:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

text: BTW, who exactly is 'history revisionist'? Isn't this weasel title as well? ;-) Irwing (talk) 10:30, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: English sources, for example de Zayas, are slated toward the German nationalist POV of the cold war. On Wikipedia we really need to incorporate the more recent research in Germany, Poland and the Cz Rep. If there is any doubt about a foreign language source, Google translate will help. 
Again, I beg the Polish and Czech editors to please go to the local library and add material to these articles, my Polish is only basic--Woogie10w (talk) 14:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: The article uses the term “German” when the correct thing would be “Austrian” then Bohemia and Moravia was territory of the Habsburg from the end of the Middle Age. Sudetes therefore was of the Austrian Empire and the Austrohungarian, in addition they comprised of the insolvent state of Germanic Austria and of to have drawn up to ethnic borders after 1ª World war they would not have been of Germany, but yes of Austria. --84.120.13.9 (talk) 03:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Austria" is a political entity - a country - and Austria is not a nation-state in the way we think that Poland or the Czech Republic are.  Austrians are majority ethnic Germans, with Italians and Swiss making up about a third or so of the population.  Therefore, German is the correct term. HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think ethnic German is the most clear term. Tinynanorobots (talk) 14:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Herrenvolk und Lebensraum are definitely German.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.214.100.14 (talk) 19:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germans or Austrians 

message: Only minimum of people were deported from Hlučín area despite the fact that they were mostly German. This needs to be adderessed in the article.Cimmerian praetor (talk) 19:08, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Germans in Chmeľnica in Slovakia supposedly were not expelled according to one tourist guide that I have. But it gives no reason, but mentiones that it was a subject of some German and Austrian. Can anyone provide more clues? D_T_G (PL) 15:40, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deportation exemptions - Hlučín 

message: Some Germans run away before the arrival of the Red Army (300 000 ?). Some run away later like
Peter Glotz.Xx236 (talk) 10:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flight of Germans 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia&diff=397145253&oldid=393654977
Xx236 (talk) 10:10, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial edits 

message: Xx236 (talk) 09:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Still 5 dead links of 41.Xx236 (talk) 09:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  6 dead links of 44

message: :cs:Tomáš Staněk, author of several books.Xx236 (talk) 09:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing of  Staněk here 

message: :The section quotes Piotr Pytel's article in the book, shouldn't Pytel be mentioned?
:The Pytel's article summarises 2004 knowledge, there are probably more detailed smd recent descriptions. Xx236 (talk) 09:23, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massacres 

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replies: text: I have removed two German nationalistic links.Xx236 (talk) 07:19, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :This page is about Czechoslovakia and Germany, why to mention Poland here?
:The word expulsion (Vertreibung) has been misused to describe several steps - flight, expulsion, emigration. There exists an academic book in German which doesn't use the word Vertreibung and explains why.  Xx236 (talk) 07:29, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy - deportation 

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*Which public?
*The article is old. The construction of the Center/Museum has a long history, two generations of Polish historians refused to accept th project, no Polish historian participates now. Xx236 (talk) 12:24, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public opinion surveys indicate that the public is opposed to such measures 

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message: According to Iranian and other anti-Jewish websites, the image of open railcars stuffed with people at a train station is from the expulsion of Sudeten Germans from Czechoslovakia. They claim it was widely used since the 1980s as an image of Jewish expulsion to Auschwitz. Can someone find a link to the source of this picture or help get the picture up?  פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 23:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Train image 

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replies: text: Done Izno (talk) 21:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help? 

message: I've removed the offending paragraph entirely. The issue of the Paris Peace Conference isn't related to plans to expel Sudeten Germans (it predates them by nearly 20 years) and it's clear that the proposal by some US delegate was added by a someone trying to drum up sympathy for the Sudeten Germans. There's no reason it (or its rejection) should be in this article, such things are better handled in another article.--Ermenrich (talk) 14:24, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of paragraph

message: Add diacritics to (divoky odsun) -> (divoký odsun). 2001:1AE9:361:2400:31A7:7BC7:BAB9:44AB (talk) 23:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:45, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020 

message: Who was considered "German"?
I read in Klement Gottwald_
:Gottwald was a firm supporter of the expulsion of ethnic Germans from Czechoslovakia, gaining mainstream credibility with many Czechs through the use of nationalist rhetoric, exhorting the population to "prepare for the final retribution for White Mountain, for the return of the Czech lands to the Czech people. We will expel for good all descendants of the alien German nobility.
He had a German surname, but was not meaning people like himself.
In Talk:Klement_Gottwald, I read:
:More than third of Czechs have german surname and more or less distant german descent (Jungmann, Rieger, Klaus).
So, can you clarify who the expulsion proponents meant as "Germans"?
All people with German surnames?
People classified as German in the census?
German nobles?
--Error (talk) 21:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Having a German surname doesn’t make you German. A German was a person who identified as German and was also identified by the Czech government as such - they, unlike Czechs, spoke German.—Ermenrich (talk) 21:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What was the policy towards German-speaking Jews (supposing there were enough of them remaining)? --Error (talk) 21:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "Postwar Czechoslovak authorities refused to exempt German-speaking Jews from anti-German policies, forcing them to prove their anti-fascist credentials in order to avoid persecution and expulsion." "...many sought to be included on transports because they found conditions in postwar Czechoslovakia unbearable." --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 16:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who was "German"?