Talk:List of Australian ministries

message: I have done dates for the ministries. Adam 04:14, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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message: I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions, which will hopefully lead to a consistent naming standard for national government cabinets/ministries. See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions#Naming of government cabinets/ministries to take part in the discussion. /Slarre 12:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming standard for government cabinets/ministries 

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message: The numbering of these ministries does not make sense to me.
The First Deakin Ministry was from 1903-04 but there was an election at the end of 1903 which should have meant that was the end of the first Deakin ministry and the beginning of the second.
In 1917 during his third ministry, Hughes offered to resign after getting a vote  of no confidence in his leadership of the Nationalist Party but got recommissioned instead and that should have been the end of the fourth Hughes ministry and the beginning of the fifth.
However the Fourth Hughes Ministry is stated to have continued until 1920.
1.42.38.244 (talk) 09:08, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Deakin Ministry and Fourth Hughes Ministry 

message: Given that up until now there seemingly hasn't been any resolution to the ministerial inconsistencies that has been implemented, I was thinking of making these changes over the next few days (unless of course there are any objections):
* Merge the Second and Third Deakin Ministries into one, so as to cover Alfred Deakin's entire second tenure as Prime Minister - from 1905 to 1908.
* Have the Third Hughes Ministry extended until 8 January 1918, which is when Hughes terminated his commission as Prime Minister following the failed referendum on conscription - then have the Fourth Hughes Ministry go from that date to 3 February 1920.
* Merge the Fourth and Fifth Fraser Ministries into one, so as to cover the entirety of Fraser's fourth term in office - from 1980 to 1983.
I don't really see an issue with any of the other ministries presented as they are, and hopefully this'll help resolve the long-standing issues regarding the consistency of these ministries on Wikipedia. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 08:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there's a need to sort out the inconsistencies (and generally just agree on a consistent way of doing this because every Australian jurisdiction does it completely randomly differently and we need our own clear style for any of these articles to make sense), but I'm not sure I agree with two of these. I don't understand the logic of the Deakin change - it doesn't fix the existing inconsistency with the format used for the rest of them and would add a second one. The Hughes situation is similar: our current format is to break ministries at a federal election, which it currently does, and I don't really see the point of adding another inconsistency. (I don't really care about the idea of breaking the fourth ministry into two: it seems a bit pedantic but I'm not opposed.) Fifth Fraser Ministry seems to be an error - it says it covers exactly the same time period as Fourth Fraser Ministry, it seems to be the same content but with some details missing and the "5th ministry" isn't listed on our ministries page - no objections to merging the 5th page. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:07, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as Hughes goes, it never made sense that the ministry is listed to have ended on the day of the 1917 election - virtually every other example has the ministry end within days or weeks of an election either due to an election loss or a reshuffle. No such reshuffle took place, and indeed contemporary sources from the era seems to have the ministry dissolved on the 8th of January 1918, as shown with the cabinet photo on the Third Hughes Ministry page. The Deakin case seems similar to me, in that no contemporary source seems to have the Second Deakin Ministry dissolve in January 1907, and that there was a major reshuffle in October 1906 (two months before the election), and a *very* minor reshuffle in February 1907. The source for the photo for the Second Deakin Ministry also cites the ministry as existing until November 1908 (as does the admittedly equally inconsistent Parliamentary Handbook). My view is that both cases, coming as they do within less than 20 years of Federation, can be chalked up as cases of Early Instalment Weirdness (to borrow a commonly-used term from TV Tropes), before the current ministerial format really began to consolidate itself . Thescrubbythug (talk) 10:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ministry reconfiguration