Talk:Otto Muehl

message: The article was interesting to read, entertaining, informative, BUT this is not the place for essays. Problematic is the 1.ps pl. perspective, story telling style... Ben  T/C  20:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a biography section to the article with the hope we can avoid a clean up. I believe the biography section would suffice for those looking for brief information on Otto Muehl. I think we should leave the remainign sections as it may interest readers to learn more about Otto Muehl's philosophy on life and arts. Although I do admit it in essay form I find it hard to edit it. Any help would be much appreciated. 14:08, 02 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tag 

message: This subject does not warrant such an extensive explanation. I think it would be more appropriate to summarize and keep in mind the general relevance to art and culture. This detailed explanation of events on the commune for example is very distracting. It would be difficult to find such material in any book on the subject and there are numerous illuminating and scholarly essays on Otto Muehl and the Vienna Aktionists that are much more meaningful to the uninitiated than are the juicy details of his sex commune. I think the authors should keep in mind that Otto Muehl's fame and recognition is rooted in an art movement that lasted less than ten years and which is now considered symptomatic of its times. Perhaps some of this material could be located elsewhere and linked to from here.
j.d.
gliptitude@gmail.com
I found the article interesting and see no reason why it should be shortened. It is about Muhl and what happened to him. Many readers would have come to this page having seen the TV program and the further details are useful.
aj
I agree, I found this article interesting, and all details pertinent.  I agree that generalizations of communes should not be included on this page but the specific experiences of Otto Muehl are pertinent to his biography.
anais anais 18:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit this article 

message: I removed among others the following
*general statements about failed communes. These belong at commune, not here. This article should treat Otto Muehl and Friedrichshof. General statements about communes belong in a general article.
*Unsourced, unattributed opinions. These could possibly be re-added if attributed and sourced to a reputable sourced and if summarized. 
Andries 16:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletions

message: "In the sixties he began to paint;"
From reading the autobiography it is clear that Muehl painted from his youth onward. This is borne out by early paintings reproduced in the exhibiton catalogue "Leben Kunst Werk."
I have altered the first paragraph and this paragraph accordingly.
--Gonefishin (talk) 10:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Painting career

message: I think this article violated the copyright of the author of this webpage . The reverse is also possible i.e. the webpage may have copied this article from Wikipedia, but seems more unlikely to me. Andries 16:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violation? 

message: I suggest removing the description in the first line referring to Muehl as a convicted child molester. The legal system in  Austria forbids newspapers etc. from publishing details of a person´s criminal acts, once sentence has been served. Although Wikipedia could probably successfully argue that Austria has no jurisdiction, the Austrian approach seems to me very Christian and laudable. Naturally we should refer to Muehl´s prison sentence but the current wording seems too frontal and, as I say, too one-sided.
What do others think ?
Gonefishin (talk) 19:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that Otto Muehl's main remaining influence on this earth is 1. the creation of one of the first, the largest, the most successful and the longest lasting communes, 2. his special action art approach and 3. the destruction of his own creations, going to prison as a child molester being a part of this destruction. There are many witnesses, former communards, who published their enthusiasm and their deep disappointment and anger related to Otto Muehl. The German Wikipedia article reflects his dichotomous personality much more than this English article here. Therefore, I strongly agree with Gonefishin, I even suggest to change the categories and to edit the introduction. As I am no first hand expert on this subject, I am recommending this here instead of "being brave". However, I wish observe the development of this article and will feel free to edit it in about 1-2 months from now on (if it won't be done then).
Vigala Veia (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Declined. We have an infobox for people convicted of serious offenses, to be used in all such articles. If you don't like the infobox, you need to nominate the infobox for deletion. Also, Wikipedia's publisher and servers are not in Austria, I'm not in Austria, and I don't give a flying --- about Austrian idiosyncrasies. Sibeliusdeblius (talk) 11:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criminal convictions and the legal situation in Austria  

message: This statement is made in the article:  ". . . culminated in a revolt under the direction of Altenberg." but the article does not indicate who Altenberg was. 91.32.87.77 (talk) 03:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Altenberg? 

message: In view of the issues raised in the recent case in the UK regarding the use of " sex offender" as a descriptor on a Facebook page, and the fact that the term covers completely different acts in different cultures and jurisdictions, I propose removing the term "sex offender " as descriptor. Gonefishin (talk) 01:22, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "sex offender"  as descriptor 

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