Talk:Brian Clough

message: Authenticity check: A search reveals that the phrase "regarded by many" appears in the text. Is the phrase a symptom of a dubious statement? Could a source be quoted instead? Perhaps the "many" could be identified? Might text be edited to more genuinely reflect specific facts? -- Wetman 01:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Considered by many" 

message: Up until 1968 the club was called Hartlepools United following the merger of Hartlepool and West Hartlepool FC's so I have amended this from Harlepool to Hartlepools.Statto74 (talk) 12:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet again I have corrected this back to Hartlepools as that is what the club was called until a year after Clough departed.Statto74 (talk) 09:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are of course correct. Will you be back same time next year to sort it again?  ;) Jellyman (talk) 22:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hartlepool 

message: Maybe someone could add in something about his being the "people's choice" for England manager. There's a quote from him on the subject at the bottom, but I think he was widely regarded as the man for the job for several years, the FA baiscally being too fearful to give him the post.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MegdalePlace (talk • contribs) 19:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  England job 

message: The article requires more than 1 paragraph about his time at Leeds. It may have been just 44 days in a long career, but it was hugely significant. It's also useful to balance out the article. --Dweller (talk) 10:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leeds 

message: I'm about to remove the sentence "Owing to Clough's declining health when the case was put together, he was never formally charged by the FA."
While it does say this in the source, this is the author (Mihir Bose) asserting that this is fact, rather than anyone from the FA confirming that this is the reason he wasn't charged. I've got no problem with the article stating the facts, or indeed using the source for the sentence preceeding it. The last sentence effectively reads "Clough was guilty but not charged due to ill health.", a controversial statement which would need very explicit sourcing, more so than the assertion of a sports journalist at the telegraph. 82.5.72.161 (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bungs 

message: From the Justin Fashanu article:
:His career stalled as his professional relationship with Brian Clough deteriorated; Clough, it would appear, was disturbed by the rumours of Justin Fashanu's visits to gay nightclubs and bars. His goals and then confidence dried up as he failed to fit in with the playing and lifestyle demands of Clough, especially after Clough had discovered his homosexuality and barred him from even training with the side.
:In his autobiography, Clough recounts a dressing down he gave Fashanu after hearing rumours that he was going to gay bars. "'Where do you go if you want a loaf of bread?' I asked him. 'A baker's, I suppose.' 'Where do you go if you want a leg of lamb?' 'A butcher's.' 'So why do you keep going to that bloody poofs' club?"'[1]
:[1]Clough, Brian (1995). Clough: The Autobiography. Corgi Adult, 319 pages. .
::Clough's treatment of Fashanu was horrendous and certainly highly homophobic but I believe this article is misleading. While Clough humiliated Fashanu over his sexuality, the paragraph here implies he found out he was gay and barred him from training as a result and supposedly Clough's autobiography is the source for this. Actually the autobiography says no such thing. It appears Clough continued to play Fashanu long after he discovered he was gay, he states in in his book that it was an incident sometime later where Fashanu turned up at the training ground with either his "religious teacher" or his personal massuer (Clough can't remember which) and refused to have them leave which lead to Clough barring him from training. The paragraph here isn't strictly inaccurate but is misleading since it implies Clough through him out the club after finding out he was gay, which isn't the case. Clough's treatment of Fashanu was appalling, but we shouldn't imply that it was worse than it actually was. Also, in the interests of balance, it might be worth mentioning that in his second book which was published shortly before he died, Clough expresses a great deal of regret of his treatment of Fashanu in the light of his later suicide and admits he feels the player's life may have turned out differently if he had treated him differently. 92.8.77.181 (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your very last sentence makes Clough's treatment of Fashanu even more appalling: he admits he mistreated him so badly that he fears that, had he (Clough) behaved differently towards Fashanu, Fashanu's life would've been different. The only problem with that kind of public display of "remorse" is that Fashanu had to commit suicide before Clough even considered that his attitude towards Fashanu was downright disgraceful. Don't understand why the whole Fashanu "incident" / situation is as much as barely mentioned in Clough's article. Of course, the full account as you say, strictly NPOV, should be included. IMHO, the lack of the account is, in itself, very judgmental -- in Clough's favour. 54.240.197.233 (talk) 16:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fashanu 

message: What is meant by "Clough is the only person to achieve this [winning the league] with clubs from outside the Top Flight"? Kenny Dalglish took charge of Blackburn while they were in the old Second Division which would mean it's inaccurate. D-Notice (talk) 21:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outside the top flight 

message: Amongst Clough's honours is runners up spot in the Charity Shield, which cannot be considered an honour as it would be the minimum they would have achived from that match. He had no contribution towards this 'honour'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.185.85 (talk) 00:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputable 'honour'

message: I cannot believe there are no Brian Clough quotes on Wikiquotes.  Please add some.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidsteed (talk • contribs) 19:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brian Clough quotes 

message: His quotes: “If I had an argument with a player we would sit down for twenty minutes, talk about it and then decide I was right!” and "I like my women to be feminine, not sliding into tackles and covered in mud." appear to be totalitarian and sexist/discriminatory. This kind of thoughts should not have a place in a modern democratic and human-rights-respecting society and a man with such thoughts should in no way be respected. He should even be despised for being a petty tyrant, just like Ferguson. Anon J (talk) 17:08, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BLP and WP:RS apply to this kind of thing, so if you can find third party reliable sources, not blogs or opinion peices, thisn then could be discussed, using qoutes and adding an opinion to them cant, as it is WP:OR. Murry1975 (talk) 17:50, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conservative/Sexist/Totalitarian? 

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message: Clough's nickname was Old Big 'Ead  but I'm not too sure where this would go in the article. --Jameboy (talk) 00:05, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname