Talk:Pain (disambiguation)

message: I would like to understand. Wikipedia:DAB#Partial_title_matches says: "Do not add links that merely contain part of the page title (where there is no significant risk of confusion). Only add links to articles that could use essentially the same title as the disambiguated term. Disambiguation pages are not search indices." Can someone be caught in confusion while looking for philosophy of pain? Well, the person who types pain cannot expect to be brought to Pain (philosophy), and Pain (disambiguation) is not the place for search indices. In fact, the person should type "pain philosophy" or "philosophy of pain" and click Search. Then, why include Pain (philosophy) in Pain (disambiguation)? And if it is included, then, why not many others? If we look at the alphabetical index of articles at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=Pain&namespace=0, there are more than a hundred titles, not counting those pages that do not begin by pain, like Chronic pain : which one should figure in Pain (disambiguation)? --Robert Daoust (talk) 18:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with you if the article was named Philosophy of pain - and, in fact, if it should be re-titled please do so.  My understanding of parenthetical adjectives is that it means (in this case) Pain, in terms of philosophy.  Just as we properly list Pain, in terms of the American band or Pain, in terms of the album.  No, we should not include Pain & Paper, Pain Is Love, and similar partial matches on the alphabetical index (although I have run into editors who feel terms like that do belong).  In your example of one searching for Pain (philosophy), I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume one would type "Pain" into wiki's search.  That would bring them to Pain which shows a link to Pain (disambiguation) in its heading.  In short, the whole idea of disambiguation pages is that ANY article (or redirect) named Topic (adjective) belongs on Topic (disambiguation).  Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, thanks. You would include Pain (philosophy), but not Pain management or Chronic pain. I can agree with that. As to redirects, I am not sure that you mean to include Pain (biological), Pain (biology), Pain (journal), Pain (physical)... Or should these redirects be renamed? --Robert Daoust (talk) 14:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right.  I should clarify that I meant redirects that go to articles not already linked.  Since Pain (biological) goes to Pain which is already listed, right - there is no reason to include it.  But I'd actually include Pain (journal) seeing as it's an unlisted article destination and the term "Pain" is further explained in the target article.  Hoof Hearted (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarification of disambiguation guidelines

message: Now as to the TOC location, I was following WP:MoSDAB#Longer lists which says to use  for longer lists.  I realize "longer" is purposefully vague, but I wasn't sure if you were aware of this point.  If you don't feel the page is too long, I can live with a normal TOC.  Hoof Hearted (talk) 17:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOC location 

message: Thank you Abtract for your invitation to discuss. I believe Pain (disambiguation) should first and foremost have a link to Pain for physical pain, and to Suffering for pain in the broad sense. Don't you agree? If no, why? If yes, how would you do it? --Robert Daoust (talk) 21:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article Pain is clearly the primary topic (both because it is at the "root" of this dab page and through common sense) - this is why it should be shown (as I put it) as the lead line "Pain is etc ... ". Suffering is not as clear because the article is not titled anything like "pain" and dab pages are to disambiguate between articles named like the term being dabbed (or something very similar) not for concepts based on the primary meaning; this is why I have put it in the "see also" section. This is all covered in mos:dab. I do see your point about "suffering" but I still think it is better where I have it. Abtract (talk) 22:14, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

text: You make a good point; I have moved three entries to the top. Abtract (talk) 05:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pain as suffering 

message: There is also a legal use of the term pain, as a synonym for sanction, such as in the expression pain of excommunication. A similar term in Latin is poena, and another in French is peine. ADM (talk) 15:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pain of excommunication