Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Mr-Natural-Health

message: :Constructive Suggestions for Mr. Natural Health ??? Here's one: PLEASE STOP putting links to CAM on Wikipages that have nothing to do with CAM (yet). As a user of Wikipedia as an online encyclopedia (more of a viewer than a contributor), I have to say that your links to CAM on pages like Atherosclerosis, HDL & LDL, when you have no CAM-related information on those topics, are annoying and distracting. I clicked on the 'category' link on those pages, hoping to read about CAM-related materials on the topics and learn, but I got frustration instead. Please actually post the CAM-related contents rather than just sprinkling the CAM links onto various Wikipages. The links right now are simply functioning as an advertisement, telling people that pages on CAM exist in Wikipedia. Just like those links to "WikiMD.org". Most of the links are not useful at all right now. They are not as bad as pop-up ads, but getting closer after every encounter. I shall remove each bad link when I see them.  
:A second Constructive Suggestion: PLEASE EXPAND the CAM project with NEW Wikipages on various topics. I believe conventional medical science and CAM can co-exist in Wikipedia. Both have encyclopedic value, and a simple See also: on each parallel Wikipage would be useful. But please don't put up the link when there is no relevant CAM-related content on the new CAM page for the topic. I like what I find on Clinical depression, but splitting the CAM stuffs to a new page will improve readability (if I press 'page down' 5 times and the page is still not done, it's too long !) Another reason to have separate pages on the same topic, one with CAM POV and one with conventional medicine and basic biological science, is to help separate Wikipedians who aren't getting along that well.
:A third Constructive Suggestion: PLEASE STOP posting comments like "I will continue this edit war in medicine on the next day, the day after, the week after, the month after and the year after."  Such belligerent behaviour should not be tolerated in Wikipedia. If you find "the science people have always been obnoxious, if not hostile, to (you) regarding (your) CAM activities", please ask yourself what you have done to end the hostility, and what you have done to propagate it.
:I grew up with herbal medicine (which fixed up my leg when I broke it as a teenager) and I am now studying cell and molecular biology at the university level. I find both conventional medical science and CAM interesting. Can we get back to making interesting Wikipages and stop this silly 'edit war', please ? Sigh .... -- PFHLai 09:12, 2004 Jun 6 (UTC) 
::Good on you PFHLai. I personally endorse your three suggestions, although I suspect your youthful leg healled itself. Personally, I have had limited contact with John. But overall I have found I have been able to come to aggreements about the rare times I have found a nonPOV comment on a page he holds dear. My main disagreement with John would be the CAM advertising links as articulated by others. Other than that, in my limited dealings I have found him able to do pretty good NPOV. John, my advice is: stay calm - we are not out to get you even though we don't agree with you. (Just to make my views crystal clear, I wouldn't let a CAM practitioner near my cat let alone anyone I new). My view: wikipedia would be poorer if John cops a long suspension. best wishes to all Erich 14:27, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: But John, you really must stop insulting people - especially relative newcomers. Erich 03:43, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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