Talk:Renault Espace

message: what about renault escape f1?--Tadej petric (talk) 17:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: renault escape f1?

message: How Euro-arrogant!!!  If I am not mistaken the Plymouth/Chrysler/Dodge Minivans were the first MPV/minivans.  The Espace just happened to be the first from a European manufacturer.  Someone should fix this.  I will if no one else does. chris 05:03, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the Espace was the first monovolumen (there's no word in English I think). Both Caravan and Chariot are based on van vehicles, and do not represent Espace's original shape. Ergo, that's why people praise the Espace so much.--Fluence (talk) 03:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: first MPV/minivans

message: The Renault Espace allowed to add/remove seats or change their layout was it allowed on it's competitors ? Ericd 1 July 2005 19:55 (UTC)
*Ever heard of the Fiat Multipla ? was there in the sixties ...Hektor 20:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that the first multipla was NOT a MPV...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.132.242.1 (talk) 13:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Seats

message: The Espace was originally intended to be sold as a Knuttebasse
Can anybody help me with this word?!? What does it mean?  Feinmotoriker 12:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knuttebasse 

message: Hello
I think this piece haves nothing to do with the Espace article ??
'PSA decided the Espace was too expensive and too risky a design to put into production, and Matra took their idea to Renault (PSA finally ventured into the minivan sector eleven years later with the Citroën Evasion/Peugeot 806).'
KInd Regard, Stef
--World arm lamp (talk) 10:53, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you're dead wrong. It's useless trivia, and potentially misleading, because the wording strongly implies that the 806 was somehow related to the Espace or a reaction to it. This seems implausible given the eleven-year gap. In your hands the sentence would have ended with "...the Citroën Evasion/Peugeot 806, which were part of a wave of eurovans that included the Fiat Ulysse and Lanzia Zeta, which were sold in France from 1988-1997 and 1992-1995 respectively before being replaced by etc etc etc". This is terrible writing. The article originally had tonnes of parenthetical trivia like this. It's rubbish, it adds nothing of substance to the article, it has nothing to do with the development of the Espace, it's difficult to read, it's a waste of your time, it reflects badly on you as a writer. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 17:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  PSA and the Citroën Evasion/Peugeot 806 

message: Please check photo, Espace I in each. 
BR, Yuriy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.73.188.147 (talk) 06:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong photo

message: The Top Gear episode mention is problematic.  If one views the videos, one notices an important problem: momentum isn't conserved!  
The Discovery 
weighs ~2200 Kg (from http://www.wisebuyers.co.uk/motoring/car-specifications/Land+Rover/Discovery+%281998-04%29/LR000526/), while the Espace 
weighs around 1760 Kg (from http://www.wisebuyers.co.uk/motoring/car-specifications/Renault/Espace+%282003-%29/RE004835/).  
Momentum should have been conserved, hence the Espace+Discovery should have proceeded to the right at about 5 MPH.  If you watch the video, they didn't. 
This makes
me concerned that Top Gear may actually be guilty of the shenanigans that they've been accused of in the past on these vehicle collision tests- of 
things like removing engines or otherwise "modifying" the vehicles to yield a preordained result.
   Dr. Crash (talk) 18:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Validity of the Espace / Discovery collision test 

message: Espace IV's finishes and interior design are no doubt unequaled by any of its competitors.
According to my dealer, the 2003-2008 production was far from flawless (clutch, turbo, motor,EGR-valve, dashboard,...). Many owners, including myself can testify.
109.132.219.4 (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality 

message: I changed the production dates. The Espace IV is still produced at the Sandouville factory, now in its fourth phase. I do not know from where came from the idea that Renault stopped its manufacture (see the French wikipedia article and here). Perhaps from the fact that Renault does not sell it anymore in the United Kingdom and some other markets.Urbanoc (talk) 13:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I did that. We'll wait and see.Urbanoc (talk) 07:19, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renault Espace production 

message: I have serious concerns about this extense part of the lead section:
The above  text clearly ignores MOS:LEAD, as it doesn't summarise any part of the article. Besides, the MPV concept is pretty vague and all multi-seater vehicle that ever existed can be linked to it. The text also implies Renault is somewhat lying without citing a credible source to prove it. Having this on the lead adds an unnecceasary negative bias.
I think the best solution is to place the text  into the Espace I sub-section with a "citation needed" template and rewrite the lead as follows (or something similar):
I'll go ahead and change it. Before reverting me, please tell your reasons in the talk page. Urbanoc (talk) 20:39, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Espace predecessors 

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message: "The design featured a body of fibreglass, mounted on a warm-galvanised steel monocoque spaceframe"
That is a complete contradiction. A monocoque is a monocoque because it doesn't rely on an internal frame. A spaceframe is a spaceframe, not a monocoque structure. The structure the store appears to describe is called a semi-monocoque. The majority of stregth comes from the sheet metal forms with some reinforcement added inside. If the frame is indeed built up of triangle forms, them it's simpley a spaceframe. "Monocoque" isn't a word for "anything not using a traditional frame". 
Idumea47b (talk) 22:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "monocoque spaceframe"