Talk:The Hunted (1995 film)

message: I am reluctant to make changes to the article myself, but I just watched this movie -- twice -- on MoviePlex On Demand on Comcast, and then promptly came on-line to look it up here on Wikipedia.  When I did, I was surprised to find several errors and discrepancies:
(1) The Takeda family compound or stronghold is located on an island; everyone arrives by boat.  It is a hilly and wooded island, to be sure, but it is not "in the mountains."
(To get to the unnamed island, they take the bullet train from Nagoya to Mihara, some 360 km or 224 miles away.  From Mihara they take a boat.  The mountains of Japan are far inland and to the north of the bullet train, not off the coast and to the south.)
(2) Most of the passengers on the train survive the ninja attack, because Takeda and his wife send them to the rear of the train.  Only the unlucky ones in the first two or three cars got butchered by the Makato clan's ninja raiding party.  So the article's present statement "instead allowing the ninja to slaughter an entire train full of people" is just wrong.
(As an additional matter, at that point in the film it appears to the audience that the ninjas simply managed somehow to follow Racine (Christopher Lambert) to the Nagoya train station.  Only later in the film is it suggested that Takeda may have sent them a message telling them where Racine would be.)
(3) Concerning the article's statement that "Paul manages to kill Kinjo - much to the satisfaction of Kinjo's third, who is now the leader of the ninja clan and withdraws the remaining ninjas citing that the endeavor is over":
In the version I saw, all of the ninja attackers besides Kinjo himself are killed in combat before the penultimate battle (which the article presently doesn't even mention!), which is between Kinjo and Takeda; Takeda kills the last two of them himself as his fight with Kinjo is about to begin.  Thus, there are no other ninjas left on the island besides Kinjo himself by the time Kinjo has defeated Takeda and Racine shows up to fight Kinjo.  And after Racine miraculously manages to defeat Kinjo (cutting off his head!), all we see is the arrival of the blacksmith Oshima, who has decided to return after previously making his escape from the island, and then the departure from the battle site of the three survivors -- Racine, Oshima, and Takeda's wife Mieko -- as they start to head up the hill toward the castle in the distance.  There are no remaining ninjas, there is no withdrawal of remaining ninjas, and there is no third-in-command telling them to withdraw, or that their endeavor is over.  After I read the Wikipedia article, I went back and watched the final scene a third time just to be sure!
However, the account I found here makes me suspect that the original (theatrical?) release of the movie may have contained additional footage that was edited out for cable, so I am reluctant to simply delete the apparently erroneous statement.
(FWIW, the version I saw was 110 minutes long (actually 109, plus a one-minute ad for MoviePlex at the beginning), but the article lists the running time as 111 minutes.  IMDb says the film is only 106 minutes, but may not be including the credits.  Either way, if Wikipedia's figure of 111 minutes is accurate, than there may indeed have been some footage cut that was in the original.  I have no idea how Wikipedia articles are supposed to handle such a situation, but it sounds like we may have a bit of an alternate ending.)
(4)  Concerning the article's statement that "He also spends time with Takeda's wife, from whom he learns the history of the two clans' conflict as well as the samurai concepts of courage and honor. During their time together, Mieko grows close to the gentle and compassionate Paul . . . .":
In the version I saw, she tells him about the conflict between the clans two centuries ago only briefly, as they first arrive at the island compound (the conversation actually starts on the boat), and they never have any discussion of courage or honor, or of any other samurai concepts.  She is not shown having another conversation with him until after he has already been bound and imprisoned, a few hours before the final fight scene.  They are shown spending time together before they arrive at the island (in the hospital, at the train station, on the boat), but not after, as the article's present wording indicates.  (In contrast, he is shown having many interactions with the blacksmith over the course of his 3-week stay on the island.)
Is it possible the original release of the film had a bit more interaction between Mieko and Racine than appears in the version being offered on cable now?  Or was some earlier author/editor of this article embellishing a bit?
76.114.95.207 (talk) 21:42, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors in the Present Version of this Article (as of 2011-09-21) 

message: Continuing from article history:  The fact that Gone with the Wind, a GA, doesn't name actors in plot section, goes to show that this is optional. However, the actors are named in plot sections of countless movies, many of which have passed GA and FA reviews and some of which (including this one) have been brought to that status by me. Moreover, I think it benefits the readers by making it easier for them to form a mental picture of what's going on in the film, and to ease matching smaller roles with the corresponding actors without having to scroll back and forth between plot and cast sections. In films with prominent actors playing roles with unmemorable names, this really helps me when reading, as I'm sure it does a lot of people, which is why I've included it here. Daß Wölf 02:10, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The cast thing 

message: Many websites have this movie down as a 1994 movie. Any explanation as to why? Without so much as a mention of this issue it's hard to confidently assume it's a 1995 movie. People turn to Wikipedia to check what's the accurate year, but without any mention in the Talk page people can't be confident our version is right... 86.148.254.58 (talk) 18:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be that they're putting 1994 because that's the year it was made, however it's the date a film is released that determines what year it is given. The original U.S. release date was February 24, 1995. More release dates can be found here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113360/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_infChanbara (talk) 18:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

text: It might be confusion with https://www.worldcat.org/title/hunted/oclc/34218547 -- the most prominent site listing this film as released in 1994 is Rotten Tomatoes, which already did a hack job with the film's reviews. Daß Wölf 19:31, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct year: 1994 vs 1995