Talk:The First and Last Freedom

message: Some sources describe this as K's first  published book, rather than the second as described in the article.  Please verify which is correct.  --Blainster 23:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Answering my own question, it seems whether First and Last Freedom is considered K's first book depends on whether At the Feet of the Master was actually written by K or his mentor, C.W. Leadbeater.  --Blainster 00:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006 Q&A

message: An editor removed this parameter from the following references:
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In all the references above, the content deliverer is different from the publisher, and the accessible format is different from the (print) original. Note  is a digital identifier/registration system, and has nothing to do with the (digital) format of the content. Removing  from these references reduces accuracy, may confuse readers, and may not reflect formatting changes properly.
The editor's changes have been reverted with a link to this discussion. 108.182.15.109 (talk) 13:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{para|via}} removal from select sources 

message: I'm afraid this diff  is unconstructive, for the same reasoning explained at Talk:Krishnamurti's Notebook, where a similar citation was discussed. 24.193.37.214 (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Replaced the contentious reference w. an existing reference edited to reflect the replaced ref's proof of related wikitext (part of this diff). Hopefully this satisfies user:Beland's concerns. 50.75.226.250 (talk) 17:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert of edit to a Wayback Machine citation 

message: IMO, the book cover does not meet the threshold of originality, and anyone should be able to upload it on Commons. RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:46, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book cover 

message: This edit does not make sense to me;   is just as much an HTML entity as   is. If you wish to remove HTML entities like these, just use a regular space or no space at all. The HTML entities added in this edit are unnecessary; the raw brackets are rendered correctly. In general, we want to keep markup simple and readable. -- Beland (talk) 00:17, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The HTML/ASCII characters are expressly allowed in citation templates (and elsewhere) when special characters are inserted. The HTML entities are expressly discouraged per the metadata-pollution issue. When a hard space ( ) is required (as in time/page etc. notation), and is manually inserted it has to be indicated to point out that it is not a regular (line-breaking) space. Similarly with the brackets ([, ]) in a weblink that includes bracketed text. If not entered as ASCII they are misinterpreted when the parser renders the web-link, and the wikimarkup (closing bracket) is exposed, because it is next to the text's closing bracket. These are typical presentation fixes, there is nothing novel about them. 68.132.154.35 (talk) 14:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:    and   are both HTML entities, for exactly the same character. The latter is preferred because it is more readable. I have changed them to the named form. -- Beland (talk) 04:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but the named one is polluting the citation's metadata and the the numerical ASCII equivalent doesn't. This has nothing to do with readability, readers will see white space in both cases. Editors of citations should know that the named tags must not be used in this case, per the documentation. Specially-formatted citations (and template parameter values in general) are markup, not text. Text-related grammar and syntax does not apply, unless the value is expressly a normal text string. 204.19.162.34 (talk) 22:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm referring to readability for editors, not for readers. I don't see any documentation that says numeric HTML entities are allowed in situations where named HTML entities are not allowed. I would expect both to either be allowed or disallowed. Can you point to a source for that assertion? -- Beland (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like you are also the editor who reverted similar changes on other articles at Special:diff/1194617064 and Special:diff/1194613804. Regarding the edit summaries on those reverts, I am the only one who runs moss and I am also the author. I currently don't spell-check references because there are too many proper nouns and too much non-English text there to make it a high priority, but some day I will. I do run the HTML entity check and other checks on nearly the entire wikitext (including references) because there are many changes that can and should be safely made there. I have started a quick discussion at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 93#Numeric vs. named HTML entities to clarify that numeric HTML entities are also prohibited in fields that contribute to COinS metadata. -- Beland (talk) 22:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't heard any objections to that clarification. Since both numeric and named HTML entities are disallowed from these template parameters, I have changed them to regular spaces for all three articles. Feel free to change to no-space if you think that would be better. -- Beland (talk) 22:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typographic edits