Talk:Allen Dulles

message: A user copied-and-pasted from https://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/95unclass/100Days.html into the middle of this article. It appears to be a copyright violation, and it does not at all work with the flow of the article. I'm going to delete.
Quadell 16:03, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: * The article is about Allen Dulles, not the Dulles Family.  But, maybe you should mention Elenor Dulles (Allen's wife?) and create a link to an article about her.--AI 23:35, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violation

message: If it's Allen, the spelling should be changed back. If it's Alan, the page should be moved. Quadell (talk) 14:55, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)
: It has been almost a year, and no response to Quadell's comment.  Is it Allen or Alan?--AI 02:13, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just found out about this from someone calling him "Allen" so that's my vote. BriEnBest 03:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The correct name is "Allen Welsh Dulles". The exhaustive biography by Peter Grose, "Gentleman Spy", resolves many of the issues raised on this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awd110 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allen or Alan? 

message: I just cleaned up a couple somewhat exaggerated claims.  First off this article mentioned Operation Mockingbird as if it was a generally acknowledged event.  In fact, if you look at that article's talk page you'll discover that we had trouble verifying the program's existance.  It doesn't seem to be widely believed in outside conspiracy theory circles.
Second, this article described Operation Northwoods as a proposal to kill American citizens and frame Cuba.  Our article on that proposal says nothing about killing any Americans, and at most suggests the possibility of making wounding attacks on Cuban expatriates. Isomorphic 04:39, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors

message: While researching Allen Dulles I came across this site from CNN that has the exact same text as the Wikipedia Article. Neither source seems to reference to either source; therefore, somewhere along the line plagiarism has occurred
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/kbank/profiles/allen.dulles/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.148.229.234 (talk) 15:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allen Walsh Plagiarism 

message: I always though that Dulles plan is the work of John Dulles, not Allen. The reference seems misplaced. Am I wrong?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.100.3 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dulles Plan" 

message: I've read in several books on WWII that Allen Dulles was a reliably ani-Semitic voice in FDR's administration. No sign of that in this Wiki article. Written by a Dulles fan?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.231.207 (talk) 16:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't pretend like you don't know what he is saying. Allen Dulles was notoriously sympathetic to Nazism and had a major role in Operation Paperclip. The fact that this article attempts to present him in a positive light is actually quite shocking and truly preposterous. Acteron (talk) 06:19, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dulles comes off a big hero. Really? 

message: I removed the following text from the article:
Dulles worked closely with Arabist and British intelligence double agent Jack Philby to funnel Saudi oil to the Nazi regime. In the 1930's Dulles established an interlocking financial network among Nazi Corporations, American oil men and the Saudis. Dulles also led a team of American and British investors that funded the early Nazi Party and continued to do business with the Nazis throughout world War II. Dulles worked behind the scenes with Philby and the Nazis to thwart Jewish emigration to Palestine.
Additionally, Dulles' activities on behalf of clients having ties to Nazi Germany before and during the War exposed him to charges of collaborating with the Nazis. Former Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg stated "The Dulles boys were traitors". At the end of the war and immediately afterward, Dulles evaded Allied surveillance and directed the smuggling of Nazi money back to his Western Clients.
I'm not by any means an expert on Dulles, but this information seems to contradict the preceding paragraphs.  If there are sources for these allegations, I'd love the see them.  //  Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 23:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi association 

message: Some mention should be added to this WP article that A. W. Dulles was a high ranked official of the CFR.  I was reading the Dick Cheney WP article and on the ref for Cheney's mention in the CFR ("The Council on Foreign Relations from 1921 to 1996 - Historical Roster of Directors and Officers") is listed A. W. Dulles too.  This is important because some believe that the CFR and Royal Institute for International Affairs heavily influence domestic and world politics, and events, including CIA, and MI6 activities.  Oldspammer (talk) 00:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CFR high ranking official 

message: I can't find this article in the NYT archives. Can anyone else??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.91.24.62 (talk) 15:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How to do a Google search...  First search "new york times".  The NYT site link is returned along with a sub search mini form.  Use this form to search for your string of "CIA ...".  However, you made a mistake and entered in goofy stuff.  It is "policy maker" not "policy marker".  The search, when corrected a bit, ends up with the following link: http://spiderbites.nytimes.com/pay_1966/articles_1966_04_00000.html  This page is a huge listing of pay per view articles.  The exact story's name is 88 to 92 percent down the page and appears as follows: "C.I.A.: Maker of Policy, or Tool?; Survey Finds Widely Feared Agency Is Tightly Controlled The C.I.A.: ..." that links the pay per view article. The key reason that you might not have found anything is the nonsense phrase that you used to search with... 99.224.61.118 (talk) 21:44, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "CIA: Marker of Policy or Tool?............. April 25, 1966 

message: In the part titled "Background in Intelligence", the following is stated about Frank Wisner:
"Wisner became the right hand of Dulles to overthrow Iranian’s President Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 because of Oil business, to overthrow Guatemala’s democratically-elected President Jacobo Arbenz in 1954 for its intent to expropriate four hundred thousand acres from the United Fruit Company and later, in 1973, the Chilean’s democratically-elected President Salvador Allende for nationalizing several USA companies."
The last part doesn't seem correct, knowing that Wisner committed suicide in 1965.––83.134.105.162 (talk) 19:17, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank Wisner 

message: This article has multiple grammatical and punctuation issues that significantly affect the article's readability and meaning.  Accordingly, I've added a  template.
-- 155.97.192.16 (talk) 00:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, copyediting is needed, and I have done some, but there are problems with the point of view and accuracy of the information, too. I will leave those to other editors who are more familiar with the subject. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:01, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit Template 

message: The lede says "Allen W. Dulles was one of the directors of the J. Henry Schroder bank." What bank is that? Why is it important enough to be mentioned in the lede? Is there a source? --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  J. Henry Schroder bank? 

message: I've looked up some reviews on the source for this section (John Loftus & Mark Aarons, The Secret War Against the Jews (1994)) and they, the reviews, are quite critical, especially regarding unnamed sources and attribution.  I'd like this info to be verified by a second source.  Otherwise, it falls afoul of WP:NPOV. The Interior (Talk) 01:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is a matter of verifiability, not lack of NPOV.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.71.78 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

text: That entire section was sourced to a single book that's been cited as controversial, to say the least . That's way too much WP:WEIGHT given a WP:FRINGE opinion. - LuckyLouie (talk) 20:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New paragraph on Nazi affiliations 

message: I am not sure that Aarons has any proof of his theories. No details appear in the actual Wikipedia article that are remotely
checkable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.71.78 (talk) 12:57, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aarons 

message: What is the basis for the statement "Dulles vast experience and skill proved equally useful when President Kennedy appeared to be seeking détente with the U.S.S.R, Cuba and in Vietnam."? Was he not fired by Kennedy specifically because Kennedy was weary of Dulles (and cohorts) acting in direct contradiction to Kennedy's policy goals, particularly as regards détente with USSR and Cuba? Dulles' involvement in the Bay of Pigs fiasco provided only a politically acceptable means for Kennedy to finally remove him from his post, no?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.226.186.66 (talk) 16:18, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Even aside from this, with Biden now also refusing to open the documents about the Kennedy assassination - and let's simply ignore any conspiracies; that many documents are STILL not open to the public is a FACT - I think the article should be expanded in regards to Dulles (all of them) versus Kennedy. It's simply a historic aspect as well, in particular when you look at the different arguments (e. g. the Bay of Pigs situation to give one example). 2A02:8388:1604:F600:0:0:0:4 (talk) 23:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The documentary "JFK Revisited" by Oliver Stone has a lot more information, using the declassified files at the National Archives, regarding Dulles. I'm going to re-watch it at a later date, mine it for details, and then try to find the primary sources to add information to this article.jlcoving (talk) 02:49, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dulles-Kennedy 

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message: Quote:"In 1950, Smith recruited Dulles to oversee the agency's covert operations as Deputy Director for Plans." It says 1950 but in the article is mentioned 1951, Jan. the 1st. Is it all true,man I can't believe my eyes... FNH  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.173.42.108 (talk) 20:08, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
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message: Just an FYI, but it's pretty clear that Galeano got Dulles and his predecessor Walter Bedell Smith mixed up when talking about a Director of the CIA on the United Fruit Company's board. Smith joined the UFC in October 1954, a few months after PBSUCCESS. --RaiderAspect (talk) 09:42, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dulles and the UFC 

message: To be clear, Allan Dulles was asked to resign.  Effectively, what this means is that he was able to keep his retirement benefits.  Recall that the post Comey Acting FBI Director, McCabe, was fired by Trump and that meant he lost his retirement benefits.  So there is a significant difference between being fired or resigning.  More relevantly, Dulles was quite fond of Joe and JFK.  I see absolutely no motive to kill JFK for firing him, when that did not happen factually.  Second, the JFK library holds many of the kind and unnecessary words Dulles and JFK exchanged.  Third, Dulles was surprised when JFK selected him as CIA Director and Dulles expressed a desire to retire instead of continuing his extensive public service.  Fourth, we don't know why he was ultimately "forced" to resign, but insofar as it relates to the Bay of Pigs, JFK knew about the Bay of Pigs, approved it, and refused to send in air support -- so we are to believe that Dulles was blamed for this?  I don't think so.   Instead, I think he was fired for supporting a French-controlled Algeria contrary to JFK's and Charles De Gaullle's wishes, so there was a political difference between Dulles and JFK about what should happen to Algeria -- that is sufficient reason to ask for someone's resignation. 2601:989:4582:670:13:648E:D8D9:CE09 (talk) 20:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fired or Resigned? 

message: Allen Dulles put his son, wounded with shrapnel in his head during the Korean War, under the care of a torture scientist working for MKUltra. This is documented by David Talbot, whose source was Dulles' daughter (the sister of Allen Macy Dulles II, the victim/son of the article subject Allen Dulles). Its remarkable how this article doesnt include so many of the depraved, traitorous crimes that Allen Dulles committed. 2601:5CF:8000:6B60:883B:6D7:A3A7:2EA8 (talk) 00:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  MKUltra