Talk:Belgaum/Archive 1

message: This article needs major re-writing. It has been taken from the 1911 encyclopedia, and a lot of details in this article are actually from 1911 - it is completely and woefully outdated. Will do something to remedy this in the next few days.
--ashwatha 02:48, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewriting 

message: I am being reading ur talk page and seems u have not only abused Marathi and Maharashtrians but also Tamilians and the guy who said Rajkumar was not Kannadi!Thus it signifies how well-behaved and justified u(Kannadis) r as u mentioned to us in one of our discussions!
Anyways what I want to tell u is dont cry foul abt Kannada being the classical and older language than Marathi.It may be(I dont care in fact!);but that does not make Marathi less important or less lovable!No matter how much u puke,u cant really question Marathi's greatness.U might not know but Marathi is 4th most spoken language in India (after Hindi,Bangla,Telugu) and 16th in world(native speakers),ahead of Tamil and Kannada!Its very laughable statement of urs that Marathi was evolved from kannada!!!Sanskrit is the only language with Marathi owes from as it is INDO-ARYAN language and not a Dravidian language.Stop swearing abt our language like u did in Marathi and Belgaon page.Konkani is essentialy a dialect of Marathi and even if all Konkanis and u dont agreee to it,the truth and history wont change!
U compared Belgaon to Kashmir.It surely resembles that issue.But I totally believe in motto-Satyameva Jayate.It is destined for India to have Kashmir and its destined that Belgaon along with other Marathi speaking villages of K'taka will finally belong to Maharashtra.In fact u shud worry abt rest of North kanara where Konkanis and Kodavis might want to seperate their land from Karnataka!congrats as Bangalore is advancing over Mumbai!I really hope that Bangalore surpasses Mumbai as then only u will know how decent and thoughful were Maharashtrians to accomodate outsiders so long.And abt Jnanapeeths,look Marathi can win it but we dont bother to lobby for that.We know we are great and we dont look for 'recognisation' from others.we dont even 'market' abt how we and our language is great!We just dont need certificates from others!!!
Jai Maharashtra!
(mahawiki 15:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who or what is "Kannadi"?? Sarvagnya 09:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who or what is "Belgavi"?? (mahawiki 11:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The great Kannadi warriors read this! 

message: Sarvagnya is out of mind,I suppose.The Deccan Herald belongs to a Kannada newshouse which have no presence outside Karnataka.I request the authorities to please review all the links/citations mentioned by this guy and find out yourself how shamelessly this newspaper gives biased statement which cant be used as citations here atleast those 'which are defamatory to Maharashtra and judgemental'.Sarvagnya has also included some Kannada media news stories which needless to say are hillarious and have zero credibilty.I dont have problems with Newswindpress,Hindu but i request editors to review the content of citations and whats being included in article.I donno why this guy is allergic to TOI and Indian express.
If at all his citations and defamatory language against Maharashtra is allowed,I shall be present with citations from Maharashtra Times,Pudhari,Belgaon Tarun Bharat,Sakal and Loksatta
mahawiki 04:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you hell bent on making a fool of yourself?  For starters, someone who thinks Deccan Herald belongs to Vijaya Karnataka group very obviously knows nothing about Deccan Herald.  And number two, the Deccan Herald citations were by User:Aksi and not by me.  The citation I added is from newindpress.  In your best interests, revert your vandalism now.  Sarvagnya 05:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Plz have a look towards admin's version.It didnt carry the sentence which u r talking about.Plz revert the change made.mahawiki 05:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarvagnya's citations are rediculous 

message: word 'UNCONFIRMED' signifies pro-Karanataka nature.I have reoved just that word rest all is left untouched.
I have had enough of this.If Kanndi people are purposely insulting Maharashtra and Sanyukta Maharashtra movement,I promise u I shall response in similar manner.
mahawiki 07:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *The word 'unconfirmed' was added by user:AreJay !!  Not by me!  I only added information about "four member committee" with proper citations and also added a few more external links.  If you are new to wikipedia take your time to go through the histories with a calm mind and also read up on how things work on wikipedia.  Wp is not the place for your jingoism.  Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *the word 'unconfirmed' was used because maharashtra's assertion that there were more marathis than kannadigas in belgaum is not supported by any official census reports.  If you find any census reports or any WP:Notable and WP:Verifiable source that establishes that marathis outnumbered kannadigas in 1967, please cite it.  If you cant, take your troll someplace else.  Infact the word "unconfirmed" should be replaced with "false". Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: *And your repeated use of the word "Kannadi" is ceasing to be funny anymore.  Just so you dont plead ignorance, people who speak Kannada are called Kannadigas just like people who speak Marathi are called Marathas or Marathis and not Mara-chee or Mara-Thoo.  Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: *I am not editing this for a few hours. Do whatever edits you want to make, but make sure you maintain consistency between the Belgaum and Belgaum_district pages as far as the Border problem section is concerned.  You yourself seem to have different versions of the Border problem for the two pages.  Fix it. Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: *Also your branding Deccan Herald untrustworthy, 'comic relief' etc., is not going to make any difference to Deccan Herald's WP:Notability or WP:Verifiability.  Deccan Herald is too reputed a newspaper for you to wish it away.  So stop making a spectacle of yourself on that count too.  Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insult to Maharashtra and Belgaon struggle will not be tolerated 

message: Plz edit that para,to make it short.im sorry to revert it mistakenly as I thot u have copied it wholy from Deccan Herald.
mahawiki 16:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sandipani 

message: *By HDMC's example,its clear that even if mentions of Marathi are not on Belgaon Mahanagarpalika's site,it doesnt mean or prove that Marathi is not used in municipal corporation.
*If u are not able to see this the pic clearly go to an eye-specialist.
*Marathi & Hindi use Devnagari script.Although 'ळ' is a constituent of Nagari script it is not used in Hindi script.The examples u mentioned are perhaps the exceptions, as Dravidian languages use 'ळ' swar extensively.
*See- http://www.haryana-online.com/devnagri.htm 
*And of course see- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari
In Hindi,Municipal corporation is termed as 'Nagar Nigam' (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allahabad ) and not as Mahanagarpalika.Mahanagarpalika is a Marathi word.
::I am amazed at what you can make up on the fly!  Just take a look at these , , , ,  and many more such sites. If these dont suffice, just try googling for  "'the state of your choice' + Nagarpalika".  You will be surprised that almost all states in India from Gujarat to MP to UP to uttaranchal to HP are using Marathi!! Sarvagnya 02:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The HDMC is very clearly a monolingual site designed exclusively in English.  But the BCC site is clearly multilingual and as you can see Marathi has no place in that site.  Sarvagnya 02:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Belgaum in Marathi

message: "Mumbai,Solapur have MAHARASHTRIANS in MAJORITY.Morever they are not DISPUTED as Belgaon and adjoining areas".
This is again a profound assumption. What is the population of Marathis in Bombay?. Belagavi is not disputed as far as we Kannadaigas are concerned. We stick by Mahajan commission. remember the 245 villages in Sholapur district? as per Mahajan commission. Looks like this guy likes to wiggle around a lot. 
Can you prove from verifiable sources that Marathi's are in Majority in Belagavi district/Belagavi city and that these Marathi's are NOT recent immigrants after 1956.
There is no struggle or movement going on in Solapur as in Belgaon because there's only handful of Kannadis in those areas.Imposition of Marathi is not done in those regions.Population of Maharashtrians in Mumbai is only slightly less than Kannadis in Bangalore.Yes,I do know Mahajan commission had some mentions about it,but the fact is there is NO unrest in Solapur.
Maharashtrians are in majority in Belgaon city and adjoining regions but not in whole Belgaon district.It is u Kannadis who talk about immigration of Kannadis in Belgaon,few Kannad chauvinists had actually  urged K'taka govt to start indutries in Belgaon to 'increase' population of Kannadis there.
Again point here to be considered is Marathi is one of languages used in Belgaon Mahanagarpalika.
mahawiki 05:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assumption 

message: It is clear by his attitude and posts that Sarvagnya is frustrated!He asked me to edit the articles by citations.I have provided enough citations to prove that Marathi is used in Belgaon Mahanagarpalika.Morever his swearings against Maharashtra and Marathi cannot be ignored.He is adviced to not to edit the article without proper citations.""Belgaon in Marathi will continue to be displayed".
Kannadi is the proper word of the speakers of Kannada.Infact if u see the wiki tags on the page of Kannada,the Marathi tag clearly depicts that Kannada is known as Kanadi in Western/Central India,which of course is no offense.Kannadi means the residents of Karnataka,just like residents of Gujarat are Gujaratis or residents of Bengal are known as Bengalis.
mahawiki 11:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sarvangya has some issue with any sort of Devanagari script written on pages.Bakaman Bakatalk 16:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is your point?  Is it concerned with this article/talk page?  Would you care to elaborate?  Sarvagnya 20:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism by Sarvagnya 

message: I did not find a place to reply above. So I am replying here. I was not aware about disputes in other places and that does not concern the current issue. As for this article, I still feel that the board is in Marathi. So does Nichalp, and so does Samir. I have never seen Hindi using the 'la' written in that form. You keep on talking about the 'la' written on the stations (haLLis and paLLis). I have no clue what you are talking about. Please keep the discussion on this talk page related to the Belgaum article. Discussions on whether "Maharashtra govt. doesnt ill-treat the linguistic minorities there." or "ignorant terrorist trainees in Pakistani camps" are not related to the article. Please carry on this nonsense outside of wikipedia. But such things are not tolerated here. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 14:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've answered this before more than once.  Doesnt seem like you read the discussions on this page properly.  Anyway, here I go again. Sarvagnya 18:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Whether the Hindi language has the alphabet 'La' or not is besides the point.  The point is the Hindi script certainly has the alphabet and it is commonly used when the hindi script is used to represent the 'La' sound occuring in other languages. Sarvagnya 18:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: *For e.g, let us forget the haLLis and paLLis(which curiously you needed so much time to come back and tell me that you dont understand) - let us take the example of 'belgaon' itself. Sarvagnya 18:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: *Now let us forget that board for a moment.  Tell me how would you write 'beLgaon' in hindi?? certainly as बेळगांव.  not बेलगांव.  that is essence is my point and there are numerous examples of that, if you see how the names of numerous haLLis and paLLis in south india is written on their railway station boards. Sarvagnya 18:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: *Since you seem to be at a loss for understanding what what haLLis and paLLis are, let me explain.  In south india, names of numerous towns and villages ends with the haLLi or paLLi suffix.  for e.g., nayanDhaLLi, malavaLLi etc.,.  not only that, the ळ sound occurs in the names of countless towns and villages across s.india.  and all these towns and villages have railway stations where their names are painted in hindi along with english and the local script.  and in all these names 'ळ' is used as in नायंडहळ्ळि, मलवळ्ळि etc.  anybody who has travelled in trains in south india would surely have observed this. Sarvagnya 18:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: *so that being the case it is not proper to conclude that something written in the nagari script is marati simply because the alphabet 'ळ' occurs in it.  anybody concluding so, is merely asserting their own belief(that if 'ळ' is present, it cannot be hindi) and is merely POV pushing.  nothing else.Sarvagnya 18:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: *and as for talking about MH's treatment of minorities, pakistani terrorists etc.,  please read the comments again.  My comments have only been in response to the non stop virulent language and false assertions by mahawiki right from day one.  and unfortunately neither you nor sundar have done little to rein him in yet.  just look have the irrelevant and nonsense templates he uses to warn me on my talk page to get an idea. Sarvagnya 18:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you ask me, I would write Belgaon in Hindi as बेलगांव. And since I do not seem to have travelled enough in South Indian trains, I reamin unconvinced that the stations spell the names using 'ळ'. And thirdly, you seem to be under the false impression that the use of "non stop virulent language and false assertions" by others entitles you to do the same. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reply by aksi 

message: Nagarpalika is NOT  a Marathi word.  I've said this before and you keep raising this again and again.  It seems to me that you have a problem understanding English.  Let me copy and paste what I've already written on this page.
*"I am amazed at what you can make up on the fly!  Just take a look at these , , , ,  and many more such sites. If these dont suffice, just try googling for  "'the state of your choice' + Nagarpalika".  You will be surprised that almost all states in India from Gujarat to MP to UP to uttaranchal to HP are using Marathi!! "
*Clearly Nagarpalika is a word used all over india in many many languages.  STOP MISLEADING PEOPLE! Sarvagnya 20:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Google for "Bangalore Mahanagarpalika", "Vadodara Mahanagarpalika", "Rajkot Mahanagarpalika", "Jamnagar Mahanagarpalika" and many more.  None of these 'Mahanagarpalikas' are in MH and none of these have anything to do with Marathi.  Infact, googling just told me that even Nepalis use the term Mahanagarpalika for their municipal bodies.  So essentially your theory that Mahanagarpalika is a Marathi word deserves to be summarily trashed.  Sarvagnya 03:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Mahanagarpalikas are nothing but Nagarpalikas that achieve a certain growtth, population etc.  Once a Nagarpalika grows, it becomes a Mahanagarpalika.  Get that straight.  Sarvagnya 03:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NAGARPALIKA 

message: Stop claiming that the origin of these words is from Marathi.  Either cite sources for your nonsense or stop making tall claims.  Sarvagnya 20:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ORIGIN OF THE NAMES BELGAUM, BELAGAVI, BELGAON 

message: As the Election Comm of India's website and this website show, ळ is very much used in Hindi while representing the occurance of the sound in other languages. (Note: Do a Ctrl F for the string 'पळ्ळि' and/or 'ळ' on those page) Sarvagnya 20:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  USAGE OF ळ IN HINDI 

message: I was opposing the frequent and unnecessary mentions of Kannada and Kannada people in Solapur,Akkalkot and of course in Belgaum article.Solapur is peacefully with Maharashtra and the linguistic minorities are not oppressed by us.Morever they are only handfull of them.Forget about it,my aunt is from Gulberga and she is Tulu.Tulu and Kannada are as close as Konkani and Marathi.But still is says the people there are not comfortable with """imposition of Kannada""".
Coming to the point please see the deliberate mentions of Kannada on Solapur article.There is NO controversy like that of Belgaon there.Note how Kannada ppl are busy to show on that article that how Kannada culture is prevalent there.Alsp see Kaveri_dispute.This is one more controversy that Karnataka has with other states.Look there too,the Kannada ppl are busy pressing their POV.See Marathi and Tamil.There too this Kannad fanatics are busy proclaiming that Marathi lanugage and Marathi literature is too YOUNG than Kannad's.How Kannada has influenced Marathi,how Konakani is older than Marathi blah 
blah.
The Kannada and rajkumar page signifies how these Kannad fanatics are so insecure and have inferiority complex.On Kannada page,I am sure these guys must have 'exaggerated' the oldness and 'classical status' of the language.A user is always telling them that Kannada is derived from Tamil(although not verified completely but he cites example) but these guys in turn vandalise Tamil page.Dr.Rajkumar's mother-tongue is Telagu,but see these guy DONT allow this mention on that page.See the length of that page.He is surely a great actot,but he is obviously doesnt deserve so much space!This is what a call is Kannad marketing.See the user Dineshkannmbi's talk on this page itself.See some amma's statue(of bangalore)is mentioned in this article.Why should a Banglorean amma find a place here.
:IF YOU CAN PROVIDE CITATIONS FOR ANY OF YOUR ABOVE ATROCIOUS CLAIMS, I WILL COPY AND PASTE YOUR EXACT WORDS INTO THOSE ARTICLES MYSELF.  OR IF YOU CAN DISPROVE ANYTHING THAT IS WRITTEN ON THOSE PAGES, I WILL BE GLAD TO REMOVE IT MYSELF Sarvagnya 04:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide enough reasons whuy shouldnt Marathi transliteration be used in this article.U have failed miserably whilst proving that script dispayed on Belgaon mahanagarpalika board is in Hindi.Stop misleading others.I shall be happy to include kannada transliteration on Solapur page if u prove Kannada is widely spoken official langugaee theremahawiki 04:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Mahawiki, we have to assume good faith on the part of all participants for the collaboration process to work. If we want to change any articles, we have to do so as a consensus. Otherwise we wind up with endless revert wars and what we've seen on these various talk pages.--Amerique 04:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Why sholapur and akkalkot, the Mahajan commission dealt with hundreds of other towns and villages on both sides of the border.  Do you know about any of that.  I fully know that Akkalkot has a very prominent Kannadiga population, but I am not into throwing in hundred different names and bringing in totally unrelated and irrelevant articles into the picture and confuse people.  Stick to the point of discussion and stop bringing in irrelevant and unrelated stuff in a bid to confuse people.  Sarvagnya 04:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Do you realise that the 'Marathis are majority' line is a dead and buried issue?  It was raised by MH in the 50s and 60s and competent authorities and commissions(one of them headed by no less than a Supreme Court Chief Justice) rejected Maharashtra's claims?  Even the Maharashtra government has dropped singing that line now.  It can be seen in the fact that they have petitioned the court on flimsy grounds like 'Security of Marathis is at stake'.  So stop using your percentages.  It is not relevant to the case anymore.   Sarvagnya 05:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kannadisation

message: it is kannada and not kannadi,please refresh ur memory.
wikipedia is not the place for using slurs/slangs or short forms,call it whatever u may,u have no right to write kannadi here.
and by calling sarvagnya's claim as ridiculuous,ur claim for a "sanyukta maharsthra" is equally crappy.
belgaum or belgavi whatever it is,is right now under the jurisdiction of karnataka.
and its welfare and development will not change by going to maharasthra.
Marathi speakers in belgavi havent been harrased.
if you really want to include belgavi/belgaon as part of maharsthra and write so in the article wait for the court hearing.
ur civility is less compared to that of sarvagnya.u seem to be ending ur posts with lame comments like jai maharsthra.
like whatever,this aint a political wrestleground.articles and discussions need to be encyclopidic in nature and ur edits have been totally pointless.
::The very first thing, before lecturing others, is that you should sign your comments. Comments without signature have no value on wikipedia. Now coming to your points. I really don't understand why are so getting irritated with the well known word "kanadi". It is not a slang. In northern India names of the all languages Gujarati, bengali, hindi,  marathi, jharkandi, manipuri, nepali, kashmiri, panjabi,shindi, bhojpuri, assami, marwadi end with "i". The same rule is applied to the language in Karnataka too. I know many people call it "Kanad" also. This is not derogatory. Nobody is denying that Belgaum is currently in Karnataka. But, will that stop people of Belgaum using Marathi? Will that stop people of belgaum fighting with Karnataka govt? Again, nobody is trying to write Belgaum as a part of Maharashtra. The debate is  only about writing belgaum in marathi (along with Kannada), so now you can judge how sarvagnya behaving. It was "Dinesh Kanambadi" who provokated others to write "Jai Maharashtra" by writing "jai Karnatak mate". Read his comments. --Sandipani 06:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  mahawiki 

message: Its clear by now that sarvagnya and his kannad friends have no evidence whatsoever to prove that Marathi is not used as a official language in Belgaon.Whereas,I have proved the reverse by following citations-
*http://in.news.yahoo.com/051126/48/618nr.html  (Search for the word Marathi here)
*http://www.pudhari.com/Static/Features/Belgaon_border_issue/f_belgaon154.htm (the picture here depicts usage of Marathi)
If u see the same talk page,u will see that Sarvagnya has failed to prove that 'the board is not in Marathi'.Even nichalp,samir and aksi_great has also confirmed that the board is in Marathi indeed.Morever Offical Language act(passes by Karnataka govt.) also permits the usage of Marathi in Belgaum and adjoining regions.(see: http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/25/stories/2006012505160300.htm )
When a municipal corporation of a city uses a particluar language,it does only but confirms its official status.Since sarvagnya had no other issues to rake up he has deliberately changed the course of debate to Solapur,Kasargode,Akkalkot etc.This is to tell him that if he proves that the municpal councils/corporations of Mumbai, Solapur, Akkalkot, Akkalkot uses the other language (than state's official language) we shall be more than happy to include its transliteration on  respective pages.
Lastly,if Sarvagnya needs entertainment and attention he is adviced to go somewhere else.This is an serious and sensational topic.Just crying foul for word Kannadi,then Solapur,then Akkalkot,how 'La' is used in Hindi,mindless commentry over haLLis and paLLis etc shows his seriousness about the topic.The kannadisation of Belgaum shall not be allowed here.Plz take a chill pill and prove WHY Marathi shoudnt be included on this page when Belgaum municipal corporation uses it as an official language?Dont touch the keyboard unless u have answers to above mentioned questions.
mahawiki 08:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop responding to Sarvagnya 

message: Apart from Sandipani and Apandey above,here's what other users view about the controversy of 'Marathi or Hindi'-
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Belgaum#My_2_paisa
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nichalp#Marathi_or_Hindi
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aksi_great/Archive_6#Belgaum
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hindi#Does_Hindi_uses_.27.E0.A4.B3.27_.3F
mahawiki 05:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Users agreeing to my claims

message: Regardless of my position on Belgaon belonging to K'taka or Maharashtra, (hey, calling it K'taka is not an affront, is it??!!) THAT sign board is clearly in kaanaDi, maraaTHi and English.
asnatu 10:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another

message: Can few of you join and contribute to article Vithoba,God of Belgaum.And also help in putting up a picture.
Mahitgar 10:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  God of Belgaum 

message: I think, after discussions with several users, there are only two potential solutions to the immediate issue here:
:*List however many linguistic scripts are appropriately representative of all the major and minor linguistic groups of Belgaum.
:*List no linguistic scripts whatsoever, as the inclusion of any without others would be taken as a sign of POV support for a side in a political struggle.
I do not think I can make further interventions here, but I thank everyone for talking to me calmly and hospitably explaining these issues to me. I hope that the editing issue can be resolved to the mutual satisfaction of all involved parties. I beseech all users to assume good faith and consider that on WP there are possibilities for working together that do not exist in the real world. We should not try to replicate real world conflicts here, the challenge on WP is in representing these conflicts in a way that is fair, equitable, unbiased and well researched. Best regards to all,--Amerique 20:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Amerique, thanks for your  honest attempt to solve the issue. As I mentioned above, I am from Belgaum. I have explained enough, why writing in Marathi is more important than in Kannada. Although the majority of people use Marathi, I am used to bilingual and trilingual situation also, especially in Karnataka govt offices. Moreover, we need to solve issues too. I am in favor of your first proposal, that is, include Kannada along with Marathi. No other language is spoken by a sizeable group. --Sandipani 01:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Amerique,thanks a lot.I would also prefer Marathi and Kannada transliteration simultaneously.I would request u to keep a watch on this article.Fortunately as truth is out,troublesome users have faded away.mahawiki 04:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: That the board has Marathi on it is been proved as of now.Marathi transliteration of Belgaon is here to stay!This was actually a non-issue since all including those who were doubting it,knew it was Marathi.They were having debate for the sake of it.Sadly after giving dozens of citations,few arrogant users did take so long to admit it.And as truth is out these fanatics are invisible!!I would like to thank all senior wikipedians,guys who helped building consensus and unofficial plus official mediators for their efforts.It is because of their support and advice I got used to Wiki policies and how things work here.At the end of this battle I have turned into a citation-savvy wikipedian and also a bit practical too.
Truth alone truimphs!
mahawiki 16:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Truth is out!Marathi transliteration is here to stay!! 

message: Statue is in bangalore and shivaji is not from belgaum. Then why there is a link? Leotolstoy 17:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there is a link in the article to Chennamma's statue in Bangalore.  That seems to be his weird logic!  Little does he realize that unlike Shivaji, Chennamma is a local of BeLagavi apart from being the first woman freedom fighter(though Jhansi Rani is often credited as the first, Chennamma fought the British before Jhansi Rani was perhaps even born!!).
Feel free to remove the link.  It is irrelevant to the article.  Sarvagnya 17:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chennamma stutue is just one of the dozens stutues in belgaum, and not a tourist attraction. Nobody comes to visit the stutue. Channamma was a queen of Kittur not Belgaum. Additionally, the section is about tourist attractions in belgaum and not the history of belgaum. People from south Karnataka should first do some study about belgaum, visit Belgaum, and stay there for few days, before editing this article. --Sandipani 02:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why there is a link to Shivaji statue (in Bangalore)? 

message: The website http://www.reference.com uses wiki's information for its article on Belgaon.See [Google's cache of Belgaon article at reference.com] Why was those mentions removed from this article?I am going to wait for few hours and add it.Plz dont push ur POV and delete Maharashtra/Marathi related content.
mahawiki 13:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sambhaji maharaj and Shivaji Maharaj's statue mentions were erased, why? 

message: Hi all, I can see that most of the energy on this article is being spent on border issue. There is enough material already on this page on this issue. So I request you to spend more energy on making this article more useful. I will be adding some sections and most of them will be blank for a start. Please help in expanding them. Leotolstoy 05:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making this article better 

message: There is another article with title "belgaum district". Please don't include details about entire district in this article. I don't know who has added so many places of attractions. Most of the places can not be called as attractions. Additionally, a few of them are quite far from Belgaum city. I can give hundreds of places like listed below. 
*Nandagad: Shoor Sangolli Rayanna Smarak 
*Munavalli Panchalingeshwara Temple 
*Hooli Panchalingeshwar Temple 
Additionally, statues at road intersections are not the places of attraction.
--Sandipani 03:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is Belgaum City Article 

message: The rail/air connections information is ancient, and should be updated. I have made some minor changes, but it would probably make more sense for someone actually in Belgaum to update this information (I am from Belgaum, but I don't live there anymore). 
I also find it very embarrassing (as an Indian) that India-related articles such as these quickly become the battleground for wannabe politicians (on either side) who do not understand what Wikipedia is about. Nothing on this talk page is really relevant to facts related to Belgaum. If Belgaum is part of Karnataka today, it can be stated as a fact, that it will be part of Maharashtra tomorrow is subject to "time will tell". Wikipedia reports only on facts, not on (possibly speculative) future events.
Because of the huge number of educational institutions in Belgaum (and the military bases there), the influx of people from all over India (and even all over the world) has changed the language and cultural profile of the city considerably - just like any city that is subject to influx of population from elsewhere. (To make a point - what is the "local food" of San Francisco? :)
Having said that (and knowing that this just adds to the noise) - could we archive this talk page and get rid of the bile that is flowing around here (which is in no way representative of Belgaum)?
Achitnis 07:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried unsuccessfully diverting attention to make this article better. I have given up. I am not from Belgaum (so are most of the people editing this page). So I am not informed enough  to make authoritative changes to this article. So please go ahead and cleanup this article. Delete all the irrelevant parts and keep only what Belgaum really represents. Leotolstoy 18:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connections, etc.