Talk:Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (1943–2021)

message: As I understand, the defunct Italian throne would need a male heir. Amadeo's rival to the throne, Victor Emmanuel, has only one son - Emmanuel Filiberto. He, in turn, only has daughters.  Provided that no future son is born to Emmanuel Filiberto, then Amadeo and his male-line descendants will eventually become undisputed heirs to the Italian throne.  Am I right? Indisciplined 14:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, after Vittorio Emanuele and Emanuele Filiberto, Amedeo and Aimone are next in line. After that, I don't know what happens, whether it passes to any remaining morganatic descendants or not. Aimone is engaged to Princess Olga of Greece, and could have sons to carry on the line. Of course, EF's daughters are still young, so he could always have a son. Morhange 06:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Succession to the Throne

message: Please red the following!!! before you engage in correcting the article. This is the position on the title:
*15.05.1941. The three laws on the creation of crown of Zvonimir (3 days before Rome treaties!!!)which made Croatia a kingdom, signed by poglavnik Ante Pavelic, min. of domobranstvo Slavko Kvaternik, minister of justice Mirko Puk, minister of interior affairs Andrija Artuković, minister of health Ivan Petrić, etc.Hrvatski Narod (newspaper)16.05.1941. no. 93. p.1.,Public proclamation of theZakonska odredba o kruni Zvonimirovoj (Decrees on the crown of Zvonimir), tri članka donesena 15.05.1941. Die Krone Zvonimirs, Monatshefte fur Auswartige Politik, Heft 6(1941)p.434.
*18.05.1941. Rome treaties three articles in which the third one chooses the new dynastyHrvatski Narod (newspaper)19.05.1941. no. 96. p.1., Public proclamation of the "Nova hrvatska dinastija" (new Croatian dynasty) 18.05.1941.
*23.-28. February 1942. Croatian State Sabor (parliament) which had more of a approval role, approved Aimone Tomisalv II. as king with other decision made by the poglavnik.
*10. September 1943. poglavnik Pavelic terminated ONLY articles that where on borders and military of the Rome treaties. Since the new dynasty is mentioned in article III. it is not terminated.State proclamation, On termination of Rome treaties, poglavnik Ante Pavelić, Zagreb 10. September 1943. (copy in book dr. Marijan Rogić, Pod Zvonimirovom krunom, sources page XXXIV. Munchen 2008.), Zagreb 2007. If needed I can translate the proclamation in whole?
*27. September 1943. Amedeo Zvonimir is born, de jure and de facto prince of Croatia
*12. October 1943. officially king Aimone Tomislav II. abdicated AS! king of Croatia and past the rights onto his son.Hrvoje Matković, Designirani hrvatski kralj Tomislav II. vojvoda od Spoleta. Povijest hrvatskotalijanskih odnosa u prvoj polovici XX.st. (Designated Croatian king Tomislav II. Duke of Spoleto. History of Croatian-Italian relationships in first half of the 20th century), Zagreb 2007.
In conclusion the title was not terminated before Amedeo Zvonimir was born so he held the title crown prince. Even the royal office was opened after the abdication (not for long off course). Ban kavalir (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: His father officially renounced on 12 October shortly after his birth. But Crown Prince of Savoy is a wrong title. Principe Ereditario di Croazia is what he is mentioned as in an article from the Prince of Naples website. - dwc lr (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He renounced on October 12th, but abdicated on July 31. The application of 'Crown Prince of Croatia (disputed)' would be tricky. GoodDay (talk) 15:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Tomislav II abdicated on October 12th, but was requested to abdicate on July 31st by his cousin. Also nobody mentioned the Crown Prince of the House of Savoy, to be exact. I have only moved to Crown Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta, because there was a Prince Amedeo, 3rd Duke of Aosta. He has the title of Crown Prince, and his son is the Hereditary Prince of Croatia. -- Imbris (talk) 18:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus the fact that Amedeo assumed the headship of the House of Savoy, thus assuming the title Crown Prince of Italy and Croatia. -- Imbris (talk) 18:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The title 'Crown Prince of Italy' was held by Victor Emmanuel (b. 1937). As for 'Crown Prince of Croatia (disputed)', we should first determine as to when his father's 'disputed' Croatian reign ended (July 31 or October 12). GoodDay (talk) 18:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are news articles from July August time talking about him abdicating for example . - dwc lr (talk) 17:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Handed his resignation' before Amedeo's birth. That settles it, his disputed reign ended July 31, 1943. Thus Amedeo was 'never' Crown Prince of Croatia. GoodDay (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really or one could say Kardam, Prince of Turnovo is not Crown Prince of Bulgaria. - dwc lr (talk) 18:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Kardam, is not (nor ever was) Crown Prince of Bulgaria. GoodDay (talk) 18:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sons of kings (deposed or otherwise) are given the title Crown Prince. - dwc lr (talk) 18:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If they were born during their father's reign, yes. When Kardam was born, Bulgaria was a Communist republic. GoodDay (talk) 18:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed but titles are still used. Amedeo's son was born in the Italian Republic. - dwc lr (talk) 18:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, titles are used by former monarchs (pretenders) & their heirs-apparent. As for the Italian Republic, neither Amedeo's son or Victor Emmanuel's son could ever truly claim the title 'Crown Prince of Italy' (as neither was born as such). GoodDay (talk) 18:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as the Throne of Croatia is concerned, Aimone was King until 12th October, 1943, in fact when Amedeo was born, he was given the name of Zvonimir, and when his father abdicated on 12th October, Croatian Monarchists proclaimed him "Zvonimir II, King of Croatia". Sincerely, I have never heard about the date 31st July. As far as the title of "Crown Prince" is concerned, that title was never established in Croatia. In Italy, Amedeo in not Crown Prince but Claimant to the Throne. Finally, the title of "Crown Prince of Savoy" does not exist, because the throne claimed by the Savoia family is Italy; Amedeo claims the tile of "Duke of Savoy", not Crown Prince.--SigQualc1 (talk) 19:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Whatever happened on the 31st of July 1943, it was the date that Italy stopped recognizing the Independent State of Croatia. That would have been binding on the members of Italy's dynasty as well making it impossible for them to call themselves by Croatian titles. Aimone remained a member of the Italian dynasty and so did his son. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 18:20, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crown Prince of Croatia 

message: The consultation of the Kingdom has , in 2006 , decreed Amedeo legitimate successor of Umberto II. Quote: http://www.monarchia.it/famigliareale.htm (that's the main website of Italian monarchists) Jewels Jules (talk) 07:00, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no such thing. We do not take our lead from the website of Italian monarchists. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 23:27, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head since 2006  

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message: My understanding of our Manual of Style means that titles are not supposed to be part of the article's title. Thus, the move. I have started a discussion thread on this topic at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Walled garden of "royalty". --Orange Mike | Talk 18:07, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have replied at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Walled_garden_of_"royalty" in order to streamline the discussion in one place. Interstellarity (talk) 20:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, I moved this article 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 18:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (1943–2021) →  – This would be a more natural disambiguation preferable to dates in brackets. Killuminator (talk) 04:02, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Support per nom. estar8806 (talk) ★ 13:17, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 10 September 2023