Talk:Consul (representative)

message: I removed this text —
:** Friedrich Rose (German Consul)  (b. 1855 - d. 1922) 
:** Ernest George Berkeley Maxse (British Consul) (b. 1863 - d. 1943) - to 23 June 1899, succeeded by a mister Nair (acting British consul) 
:** Luther Wood Osborn (U.S. Consul) (b. 1843 - d. 1901)
— from the area about Samoa, as it seemed too detailed for this article (names of various other consuls are not mentioned elsewhere).  If anyone feels otherwise, feel free to put them back. :: Salvo (talk) 07:37, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an absolutely unique case, where the 'consular' officials are de facto joint heads of government, and an unparallelled triple condominium; so I put them back Fastifex 11:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Samoa content has since been moved to Administrative Consul, which seems like a good idea Somej (talk) 00:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Consuls in Samoa

message: For some reason the current article seems to adress everything BUT useful information and distinctions...
: I wondered that myself, and am not sure if the sentence "Even within another state, a foreign power often has extraterritorial rights over its official representation (such as a consulate)" is meant to mean. Note that this issue is likely to get some attention because of the recent raid of the US military on the Iranian consulate in Iraq.
:I found the following in the "Convention on Consular Relations" (linked from the article). My WP skills are not very good, and I would prefer if someone else could put this in the article, or make it more clear. 
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:The language seems slightly weaker than that of the "Convention on Diplomatic Relations"
:85.81.63.6 23:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the consulate part of the territory of the country it belongs to like an embassy? 

message: Unpublished PhD research is original research and cannot be used for reference until published, yes? Mikebar (talk) 18:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, yeah, it can only be used as a reference when it is published (I don't know how someone can check something that is not published, anyway?) as per WP:OR, 
"Material for which no reliable source can be found is considered original research. The only way you can show that your edit does not come under this category is to produce a reliable published source that contains that same material."
(emphasis mine) --JCrue (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research

message: Is the picture of Franklin Huddle really appropriate? He doesn't look distinctively to be a consul, to be honest. I don't know, is he supposed to be particularly famous as one? Maybe a picture of a consul... Consuling, as it were, if we need a picture of a person at all... --JCrue (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: The consul general article is particularly weak and short now.  Some of its information is already in this article and the rest can be easily transferred.  Until somebody can build an appropriate article for the topic, I think it should be merged into this article, perhaps with its own section heading.  Thoughts? -- Infoman99 (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from [[Consul general]]

message: It would seem appropriate to include in this article a simple list of Consuls and Vice Consuls by name with date(s) of service and assigned location(s). I'm no expert in these matters but there are sources (eg, The Political Graveyard http://politicalgraveyard.com/ ) which could be utilized if someone were so inclined and had the time. JimScott (talk) 18:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Suggest better to start by the Country sending the diplomat, then by the country sent to, eg eg List of diplomats of Great Britain to the Republic of Genoa.  Suggest also that someone create new page - history of the foreign affairs service of the USA. Somej (talk) 00:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Consuls by Country 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi all, I saw this discussion a bit late to contribute. However I do support an effort to tidy up these pages. What should be included in the scope of a reorganisation? To start the discussion, I'd suggest:
Consul (disambiguation)
Keep this page basically as it is now.
Tidy up the first section so that it links into the following pages, or to sections in those pages. 
Then, as  suggested, make Consul a sort of long disambiguation page of the various uses in government and diplomacy over time. A structure for it could be:
===Types of consul===
====Consuls in governments==== 
* Roman Consul
* Consul#French Revolution (As a new page, just moving the content)
* French Consulate
====Consuls in Colonial Administration====
* Administrative consul (already includes the  Samoan example above)
* Consul (administrative) A new page, that redirects to Administrative consul
====Consuls in diplomacy and international affairs ====
* Consul (representative), a representative in one country of the government of another
* Consul General, the head of a consular mission
* Honorary Consul
* Consular corps
* Consulates in extraterritorial jurisdictions (is this still needed as a separate page? Content could probably go into Consul (representative))
====Consuls by country ==== 
* lists of consuls of various countries, eg List of diplomats of Great Britain to the Republic of Genoa
And finally I'd suggest moving all the detail in US content out of 
these pages and into a (new) history of the USA foreign affairs service. [Done - see Draft:Consuls in the Foreign Service of the USA Somej (talk) 08:51, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: So, your suggestions are not about moving pages (renaming pages), but just about editing the content of them. Is my understanding correct? --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, it would mostly move content between the existing pages, and then create new pages for some of the detailed content. Should we also move the wiktionary|consul tag from Consul (disambiguation) to consul? Somej (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Template:Wiktionary can be added to Consul. But it does not need to be removed from Consul (disambiguation). --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:58, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've reworked the proposed structure above slightly, having found the pages  Administrative consul and Consulates in extraterritorial jurisdictions. And added the wiktionary tag as you suggested, to both Consul and * Administrative consul Somej (talk) 00:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you! --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next moves? 

message: ====Consuls in governments==== 
* Roman Consul
* Consul#French Revolution (As a new page, just moving the content)
* French Consulate
====Consuls in Colonial Administration====
* Administrative consul (already includes the  Samoan example above)
* Consul (administrative) A new page, that redirects to Administrative consul
====Consuls in diplomacy and international affairs ====
* Consul (representative), a representative in one country of the government of another
* Consul General, the head of a consular mission
* Honorary Consul
* Consular corps
* Consulates in extraterritorial jurisdictions (is this still needed as a separate page? Content could probably go into Consul (representative))
====Consuls by country ==== 
* lists of consuls of various countries, eg List of diplomats of Great Britain to the Republic of Genoa
And finally I'd suggest moving all the detail in US content out of 
these pages and into a (new) history of the USA foreign affairs service. [Done - see Draft:Consuls in the Foreign Service of the USA Somej (talk) 08:51, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: So, your suggestions are not about moving pages (renaming pages), but just about editing the content of them. Is my understanding correct? --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, it would mostly move content between the existing pages, and then create new pages for some of the detailed content. Should we also move the wiktionary|consul tag from Consul (disambiguation) to consul? Somej (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Template:Wiktionary can be added to Consul. But it does not need to be removed from Consul (disambiguation). --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:58, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've reworked the proposed structure above slightly, having found the pages  Administrative consul and Consulates in extraterritorial jurisdictions. And added the wiktionary tag as you suggested, to both Consul and * Administrative consul Somej (talk) 00:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you! --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Types of consul

message: * lists of consuls of various countries, eg List of diplomats of Great Britain to the Republic of Genoa
And finally I'd suggest moving all the detail in US content out of 
these pages and into a (new) history of the USA foreign affairs service. [Done - see Draft:Consuls in the Foreign Service of the USA Somej (talk) 08:51, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: So, your suggestions are not about moving pages (renaming pages), but just about editing the content of them. Is my understanding correct? --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, it would mostly move content between the existing pages, and then create new pages for some of the detailed content. Should we also move the wiktionary|consul tag from Consul (disambiguation) to consul? Somej (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Template:Wiktionary can be added to Consul. But it does not need to be removed from Consul (disambiguation). --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:58, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've reworked the proposed structure above slightly, having found the pages  Administrative consul and Consulates in extraterritorial jurisdictions. And added the wiktionary tag as you suggested, to both Consul and * Administrative consul Somej (talk) 00:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you! --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Consuls by country 

message: I've removed the  tag from this page; it's looking reasonably balanced now.
The main Consul page has been restructured as suggested above. Is it still too long? Somej (talk) 04:23, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary of recent changes