Talk:American exceptionalism

message: I recently edited some heavier-handed POV out of this subsection and tried to phrase it more as "a view of America First is-" rather than "America believes that-." I believe this section still needs work though, as it has been a bit of a stub.
* More sources would always help.
* My browser will not currently load the cited source, but from a quick look at it I'm not sure its reliable enough to make such bold statements as 'America first [unilaterally] prioritizes american interests over human rights' I will look into the source further when I can find a way to.
* To bring the subsection more in line with the greater section, I think since this section is predicated on a single (possibly niche) source it should be worded like the rest, beginning with the author's name and then stating their claims, at which point it can be expanded to contain more material since more POV oriented claims could be included. But if there isn't much more to be added to the section than is already here... or the source isn't adequate...
** The section may benefit from being removed until a more substantial and meaningful version can be written.
I would like to hear from others interested in this article's improvement on their views on these possible suggestions. GabberFlasted (talk) 15:50, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "America First" subsection needs help 

message: If you have time please expand the related article about Chinese exceptionalism. Artanisen (talk) 17:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expand Chinese exceptionalism 

message: The article's first sentence ("American exceptionalism is the belief that the United States is inherently superior to other nations") is inaccurate. It is a critical appraisal of the term rather than a neutral definition. It emphasizes belief, and therefore perspective, rather than defines the concept. It contradicts the italicized definition immediately above it ("This article is about the theory that America is qualitatively different from other nations. For the ideology that America has an exceptional mission in the world, see Americanism (ideology).") and conflates the two terms (American exceptionalism and Americanism) that the italicized definition distinguishes. Subsequent text in the article makes this distinction.
The source (p. 18 of American Exceptionalism: A Double-Edged Sword by Seymour Martin Lipset) provided as a reference for the article's first sentence explicitly contradicts the first sentence. The referenced text states: "When Tocqueville or other 'foreign traveler' writers or social scientists have used the term 'exceptional' to describe the United States, they have not meant, as some critics of the concept assume, that America is better than other countries or has a superior culture. Rather, they have simply been suggesting that it is qualitatively different, that it is an outlier. Exceptionalism is a double-edged concept. ... [W]e are the worst as well as the best, depending on which quality is being addressed." So the article's first sentence may just as well read, "American exceptionalism is the belief that the United States is inherently inferior to other nations." This would be just as misleading and unsupported by the referenced source.
Much of the rest of the article is dedicated to critical appraisal, i.e., perspectives and commentary on it, since much of the understanding of this term comes from commentary on it. However, accurately and neutrally defining the term at the outset, rather than substituting an appraisal for a definition, is necessary in order to understand what it is that critics are appraising. The current first sentence is not only inaccurate, but also misleading. It is important to understand what the term means not only to understand its implications within a critical or ideological framework, but also to understand the precise nature of America's qualitative difference from other nations. Conceiving of the nature of this difference has to be descriptive before it can be normative.
The (intended?) impression that the article's first sentence creates is simply false. A subject is not controversial because it is wrongheaded; it is controversial because there are wildly divergent perspectives on it and feelings about it. The first thing to do in approaching it is to fairly define what "it" is, not what it should be or what one side believes it to be. Then we can get past the first sentence. CeilingFan2Sea (talk) 19:08, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality of definition of "American exceptionalism" 

message: “Kammen says that many foreign visitors commented on American exceptionalism including Karl Marx, ....” 
Marx never visited the United States Rudyguy21 (talk) 23:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and fix it.  — Freoh 23:38, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

text: The source said "foreign observers," so I changed it. If you find this sort of thing again, it's easiest to check the source and correct the text. TFD (talk) 23:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karl Marx 

message: The article's first sentence ("American exceptionalism is the belief that the United States is inherently superior to other nations") is inaccurate. At the time of America's founding, it was not a belief or theory of superiority, although its founders did believe it was an improved design. At the time of its founding, America was indeed unique, or exceptional, because it was very different than other nations around the world.  For example, Its design included self-government, meaning the citizens were the government.  
Mlk75 (talk) 15:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Exceptionalism - use the original concept