Talk:America's Army/Archive 10

message: The history section originally had this paragraph:
On November 6, 2003, version 2.0 of America's Army was published, with the full title of America's Army: Special Forces. The developers gave no reasons why the game  foregrounded the U.S. Special forces in this and the following versions. A Navy-produced booklet found by the investigative journalist Gary Webb explained this shift. It stated that "the Department of Defense want[ed] to double the number of Special Forces soldiers, so essential [had they proven] in Afghanistan and northern Iraq; consequently, orders [had] trickled down the chain of command and found application in the release of [this version of America's Army]." 
I've changed it to correct the reference to what Webb called a 'navy-produced booklet,' which was slightly vague. It was a booklet of essays produced by the MOVES Institute for a videogame show in San Francisco, and is available online. 141.155.136.90 08:15, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Since the game is supposed to paint a picture of what life is like in the US army, is don't ask, don't tell enforced? For example, if you say you're gay, is yor account cancelled? 203.118.184.121 15:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely accounts should be perma-banned from all official servers if a user openly admits they're gay though right? 203.118.184.121 19:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, know stop trolling. --68.54.161.91 01:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not trolling. It's a genuiene question. Since this game is supposed to paint an accurate picture of what life is like in the US army, it's important for us to consider how accurate that picture is. Clearly, failing to punish people for admitting they're gay highlights a major shortcoming in the game. For example, gay people might assume it's okay to openly admit your gay in the US army. 203.109.205.135 14:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have nothing positive to say, you should post anything on here... There a good reasons behind everything they do. Gay men taking shower with other men would be like men and women taking a shower together. You need to look at the whole picture, and take everyone effected into account. It could and would most likely end up putting alot of staight men into unconfertible positions, and have more people leave the army then how many gays would join the army and still keep everything cool... Also the game doesn't need every little detail. --69.24.189.254 22:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After that pointless response, I'm curious about it too! -- Crnk Mnky 00:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The movie Starship Troopers (1997) shows Mobile Infantry recruits showering together. Straight men shoudl just get over the gay thing - but that's not the point. I thought the Army's opposition was that romantic entanglements could impair a unit's efficiency. "That may be your way soldier, but it's not the Army Way!" Egmason 12:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't ask, don't tell

message: As you can see, I have changed the opening paragraph of the article.
# Added Army Game Project as other title. If you don't believe me that this is the real official name, read the EULA you have digitally signed  by installing America's Army: Special Forces, the meta keywords on the homepage and various other sources (Google counts more than 500).
# The "distributed for free" must refer to the PC version, as you have also complained that the console version costs ~50$. The information about the tax dollars needs to be mentioned because of all the critique targetting at this and as a fact whose removal would be a lie. I agree with User:Jayson Virissimo that it did not fit into the other sentence.
# I kept your "image" without "positive", however I think it's most obvious...
# I deprived the info about the location of the Naval Postgraduate School, it's really unnecessary concerning the game.
# Your information about patches and that they "transform" "many aspects", which actually happens to most online games, does not belong into the opening paragraph and is mentioned in the Overview anyway.
# I made clear that Operations, Rise of a Soldier are just subtitles and not full names.
# I have removed your statement about increasing system requirements because that is unnecessary to mention in the opening paragraph
# I have removed your statement "AA also spawned America's Army: Rise of a Soldier" because AA is no fish spawning some versions of itself... In my changes, I hope I have made clear that Rise of a Soldier is the subtitle for the Console version of America's Army.
If you disagree with some of the points, feel free to discuss them - I'm willing to stand up for all of them.--RememberMe 21:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes in header

message: As I think you seem to use Counter-Strike maps as an argument to justify America's Army maps,
I think it also makes sense to consider Counter-Strike as a similar game especially concerning the console version of it.
# Counter-Strike's console version also has not been put into a separate article because of all the similarties, connections and contexts with the PC version.
# Counter-Strike's console version also has a different publisher, engine and release dates
# Counter-Strike's console version also features singleplayer whereas the PC version does not
# Counter-Strike's console version also uses the same maps of the PC version (except for some changes)
# The article about Counter-Strike has been split into (at least) seven articles and nevertheless the console version is still included in the main one.
I hope that this suffices to convince you of the redundancy and irrelevance of attempting such an article.--RememberMe 21:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot really help you with it, because I simply don't have that game. I believe that there should be a few lines in the gameplay section pointing out the main differences and summarizing it as short as possible. A screenshot wouldn't hurt either... --RememberMe 13:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: About the extraction of the console version (see [[America's Army: Rise of a Soldier]])