Talk:Fitzpatrick (surname)

message: This should be split into a disambig and Fitzpatrick (surname). Paul 07:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

message: this name has a coat of arms that should be displayed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.9.129.20 (talk) 05:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great name 

message: Whats with the title being FitzPatrick instead of Fitzpatrick?! It looks stupid and I don't know anyone who spells it that way, I certainly don't but I can't find how to edit it :(  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fitzinho (talk • contribs) 10:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silly capital P 

message: Like the surname McMahon the surname Fitzpatrick is tricky because not all Fitzpatricks descend from the sames clan.  The name also appeared briefly in England with an unrelated family line which went extinct.  The name Fitzpatrick is most famously and most closely associated with the Mac Giolla Phadraigs of Upper Ossory (present day wester County Laois), who, through the political arrangements of their chief Brian Og Mac Giolla Phádraig, had the name normanized to "Fitz-Patrick" by agreement with Henry VIII in 1541 upon the creation of the Tudor Lordship of Upper Ossory.  However, another unrelated clan around Counties Cavan and Down, called O Maol Phádraig (a very close meaning to Mac Giolla Phádraig) also appears to have changed their name to Fitzpatrick at some unknown later date.  So not all Fitzpatricks might share the same history or coat of arms, or even the same name in Irish.  Currently, there is a DNA study being conducted by the Mac Giolla Phádraig-Fitzpatrick Clan Society in Dublin to help figure things out. Ri Osraige (talk) 20:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, let's discuss it rather than there being a next time you post it. There is so much wrong with it I don't know where to start.  As co-admin of the FTDNA site, you have an inherent WP:COI in putting it in.  Wikipedia is not a place for WP:PLUGging your own research findings.  The results of your project are self-published, and though there are a circumstances in which self-published sources are considered to be WP:RELIABLE, this is not one of them.  WP:No Original Research is one of the core pillars of Wikipedia, and all of this DNA material is Original Research. It is nothing but raw scientific data, collected by self-reporting, and thus the percentages may not be representative - there is no way to even estimate the seletion bias.  They were probably tabulated by eye, without stated criteria, and they have not undergone independent review, so while I have no reason to think the conclusions are wrong, I don't really have any reason to think they are right (other than reaching my own personal conclusion from looking at them, which is likewise Original Research).  As a general rule, Wikipedia does not present scientific results that have not undergone the peer review involved in the publication process.  (This doesn't just apply to this specific case.  In a recent discussion, a paper by a pioneer in his field that was deposited on a filesharing site prior to being accepted for publication was deemed inappropriate for inclusion in the relevant article because of this lack of peer review.)  The web site is certainly a primary source, and while a primary source is sometimes used to provide supplmentary specifics to support the mention in a secondary source, it is rarely appropriate to have a primary source be the only source used.  The entire project does not appear to be noteworthy - you can't cite the FTDNA project site to prove that the FTDNA project is noteworthy, any more than I could cite my own web page to prove I am noteworthy - it needs to have been mentioned elsewhere (in a significant way, not just in a list of all of the thousands of such projects), in some independent source.  Mention on Wikipedia is not an award for meritorious service.  Dr. Fitzpatrick may be a wonderful person and I am sure you all are appreciative of her, but to be noteworthy, her work on the family would have to have been noticed outside of your mailing list - in a published secondary source.  You may think this information is really important and will contribute to the knowledge of the readers, but that is not how Wikipedia works, with editors pushing what they think people should know, rather than reflecting what published secondary sources have said about the subject.  Agricolae (talk) 00:28, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to have misunderstood my comments.  Are there publications on the Fitzpatrick project?   Not just on genetic genealogy or haplogroups, but on this specific family project and its findings?  The same with Dr. Fitzpatrick - notability in the larger field, in general, does not translate into across-the-board noteworthiness, nor does writing books on the general subject.  It is specifically her role in the Fitzpatrick group project that needs to have been highlighted in independent writings on the Fitzpatrick family for this connection to be noteworthy, and they need to be independent of her - writing it in her own books doesn't count. Agricolae (talk) 06:05, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

text: Publishing books does not make one noteworthy, even when the books are published by established publishing houses.  Being noteworthy has everything to do with the amount of coverage one gets in secondary literature independent of the subject.  (I say this generically, not specifically addressing Dr. Fitzpatrick.) P.S. Please sign your talk posts by putting four tildes after them, like so ~~~~.  WP:SIGN explains the policy, and failure to do it has the unintended effect of hiding from me the fact that you have responded. Agricolae (talk) 02:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

text: We are talking past each other.  I am talking about what makes someone noteworthy with regard to a subject, worth mentioning in a discussion of that subject, and you are talking about what makes a person or book notable (meriting their own Wikipedia page).  The involvement of a notable person still may not be noteworthy on a particular page if no independent secondary sources make specific reference to them when talking about the subject of the page.  Agricolae (talk) 05:15, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Different Clans

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Fitzpatrick (surname). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141217095747/http://fitzsoc.com/ to http://www.fitzsoc.com/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120314234710/http://www.fitzsoc.com/Gatherings/Fitzpatrick%202007/FitzpatrickArmsCrestsMottosSupporters.pdf to http://fitzsoc.com/Gatherings/Fitzpatrick%202007/FitzpatrickArmsCrestsMottosSupporters.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141217095747/http://fitzsoc.com/ to http://www.fitzsoc.com/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 09:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Ref. 11 provides no evidence of a FItzpatrick-Maguire link.
Ref. 16 is broken.
Ref 17. is no longer relevant.
Is there a consensus to delete these references?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeFitz (talk • contribs) 23:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Fitzpatrick (surname). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150218061907/http://fitzsoc.com/Gatherings/International%20gatherings.htm to http://fitzsoc.com/Gatherings/International%20gatherings.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141217081605/http://fitzpatrick-heritage.org/ to http://fitzpatrick-heritage.org/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:59, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Fitzpatrick (surname). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150218084925/http://fitzsoc.com/Fitzpatrick%20Clan%20Society/index.html to http://fitzsoc.com/Fitzpatrick%20Clan%20Society/index.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141217095747/http://fitzsoc.com/ to http://fitzsoc.com/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Robert Fitzpatrick (bishop), bishop of the US Episcopal Church.
and,
Thomas B. Fitzpatrick, an American dermatologist and known in the Academy as "the father of academic dermatology".
I am not suggesting this list stretch to unreasonable proportions, but some diversity would surely improve the page. There are too many athletes mentioned, and not enough scholars.
Unfortunately I'm incapable of making these edits myself at the moment (long story), but if someone would take care of this for me I'd appreciate it.Jonathan f1 (talk) 19:36, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found some more to add to the list 

message: The editor Agricolae and I reached an agreement some time ago that this page should be reduced to a couple of lines:
""Fitzpatrick is a surname of Anglo-Norman origin.[cite Oxford Dictionary of Names] Originating from a patronymic identifying a man as 'son of Patrick', it subsequently became an inherited surname. In Ireland, certain septs such as the Mac Giolla Phadraigs and O Maol Phadraigs anglicized their surnames to Fitzpatrick.[cite MacLysaght] Notable FitzPatricks include: [list]"
Somehow this got turned into several paragraphs and growing. The last paragraph includes several lines of incomprehensible Gaelic that most English-speaking Wikipedians and readers can't read or pronounce. There is also minor edit warring going on. Jonathan f1 (talk) 00:01, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too long