Talk:Thai language

message: well maybe some people will disagree on whether lao and central thai are different dialects or different languages
Would one of the contributors like to explain the number of speakers data? Based on visits to a few hundred of 600+ amphoes,covering all regions of the country and 39 years, I would estimate that at least 80 per cent of ~64 million Thai nationals *can and frequently do* speak good Central Thai, which is and long has been the only language of instruction in government schools, the only language in network TV and radio and national publications.
:The figures are from Ethnologue.  Make of them what you will. Change them if you won't.  :-) -- Heron 18:52, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a note that "Most speakers of dialects and minority languages speak Central Thai in addition". Markalexander100 05:04, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  The numbers don't add up. Totaling them on this page is still less than 50 million, and there's 66 million living in Thailand. But without a better source there's not much to do I suppose. 213.100.90.101 (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dialects

message: I've done various bits and bobs- still to do (at least) are a table of tone rules and information on the other particles. Markalexander100 06:41, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good.  Please keep going! -- Heron 08:31, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Nice work.  You might like to know that Wikipedia has its own, more compact, syntax for creating tables.  I have converted your 'vowels' table to the Wikipedia syntax to show you how it works.  There is no law (yet) against using the HTML table syntax, so it's up to you which one you use.  The format is explained in MediaWiki User's Guide: Using tables. -- Heron 08:51, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: That symbol doesn't work for me, either.  It's not even in Arial Unicode.  I have found a font that does contain it: Doulos SIL.  This is a Roman font, works in IE6, and is free to download (but on my system it looks lumpy at some font sizes).  I would agree with splitting off the six-hour clock section. -- Heron 11:39, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: I'm now attempting to hammer out a standardized Wikipedia format for romanizing Thai over at Wikipedia:Manual of Style for Thailand-related articles, please join in. Jpatokal 07:25, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work in progress 

message: From the article "Bangkok Thai... sometimes considered as a separate dialect" 
I don't think there is a difference in dialect or accents between Central and Bangkok Thai, granted the vocabularly in Bangkok evolves at a much faster rate.
:"Central Thai" as used in the article means the standard Thai ("newsreader Thai", if it works the same way as in English), rather than Thai as spoken colloquially in the central region.  What it's getting at is the differences between BKK Thai and standard Thai, which are real enough.   We should probably make it a bit clearer, though I'm not sure how.  Markalexander100 00:47, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think if you want to listen for Central Thai you may listen to sun-tra-ra-porn. Because they have their duty to preserve Thai Landguage from Evolution...
[GoodGuy]
There is a slight accent difference between Bangkok's accent and other provinces far from Bangkok, yet all still considered as Central dialect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.21.139 (talk) 04:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bangkok Thai? 

message: This entry: The Thai Royal Institute [1] (http://www.royin.go.th/) publishes a set of rules for transliterating English words into the Thai alphabet, but these rules are not intended to be used in reverse is incorrect.  There is a set of rules for transliterating Thai words into Roman script, but not the reverse, called the "Romanization Guide for Thai Script." (1954, 1968, last update 1982)  The Royal Institute also forwarded a format for standardization to the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) in 1998 ISO 11940:1998
--Ruj 05:36, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: These rules are remarkably hard to track down.   Are they on the TRI website somewhere? Markalexander100 06:03, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: There's actually rules published by the Thai Royal Institute both for transliterating English words into Thai and vice versa. They are:
http://www.royin.go.th/roman-translate.html for transliterating Thai words into English
http://www.royin.go.th/trans01.html for transliterating English words into Thai script.
I've added tables showing the equivalents to Royal Thai General System of Transcription; translating the rules on capitalisation and word division will take a little longer.  ;)Markalexander100 03:57, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

message: Can user Markalexander100 please quit removing a reference arbitrarily? The other two are not mentioned in the arcticle either. Does he perhaps have a personal grudge against this particular book? To me it is a welcome additional source of information. −Woodstone 10:51, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)
:Wikipedia:Cite_sources.  The references section is for references, not for books which you find interesting. Mark1 03:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Some unknown person may at some point in the past have read the book, so it's a reference"?  Fortunately, our academic standards are not that low. Mark1 01:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: It looks completely differently in my edition of the IPA handbook. The symbols you are using are not meant to be used in pairs of triplets and form an unnecessary complication for the level of detail needed in this context. I will probably change to the exact forms in the handbook later. −Woodstone 21:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually they are meant to be used this way. You need a font such as Charis SIL which will display them properly. However, if you can find a workaround, that would be fantastic! kwami 21:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Details of tone 

message: As always when a language and a country share the same name, some confusion artises. To create clarity, I consider it therefore useful to mention in this article other languages spoken natively in Thailand, even if they are from a different language group. User:Henry Flower keeps reverting this. However at the same time he keeps adding mention of languages from the Mon-Khmer languages group, which is not closely related to Thai. This utterly inconsistent behaviour confuses me. Can this user please explain his motivations? −Woodstone 12:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He cocked up in restoring Suay; apologies for that.  HenryFlower 12:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thailand vs Thai language 

message: I'm currently working on a script intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you know any of the languages listed at User:Soman/Lang-Help, then please help by filling in the blanks. For example I need help with Thai. Thanks, --Soman 15:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with translation 

message: IPA [w] is (annoyingly enough) classified as a bilablial-velar I believe.
It should therefore (annoyingly enough) be shown either outside the chart, or in its own "Bilabial-Velar" column -- which (annoyingly enough) doesn't have a logical location to go in, in the chart.
Alternately, [w] can be (news here) considered for casual purposes a primarily bilabial entity with a minor physiological velar element easily ignored in sub-allophonic transcription.
E.g.: put the damn [w] in the biliabial column!
With double asterisks and a footnote "**Technically, as in English, a bilabial-velar".
(I would do this myself, but the chart layout gets very avant-garde when I try to edit the Wiki markup...)
: I concur that it confuses to see the [w] in two different places in two subsequent tables. The above message is undated, but from the order in the list I presume it is no younger than from 2007. Fourteen years is a long time for people to have an opportunity to oppose a stance, and no oppositional message is here. Therefore I am going to change the first of both tables w.r.t. the [w], if I can.Redav (talk) 14:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonetic [w] in chart 

message: Can someone tell me what governs where a space goes in Thai? I'm working on the layout of a brochure in Thai and the linguists keep inserting and deleting spaces in the most random places. What are the rules? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.218.206.2 (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, spaces are used to separate clauses, so you'll see them where you'd expect commas and periods in English. In addition, they're used to set apart proper names, including spaces between titles and the given name and surname. When English-style punctuation is used in Thai, such as quote marks, it is also set apart on the outside with spaces, e.g. ประโคยนี้คือ "ตัวอย่าง" ของการเว้นวรรค. That's the basic usage. Can you post a sample with some of the "random" space insertions you mention? rikker 04:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's an excellent article on spacing in Thai from thai-language.com . rikker 03:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spaces 

message: User:Octahedron80 had done a global substitute equating all to back a's  by front a's . There is quite a variation in Thai in pronunciation between the various a's. Although the disctinction is not usually phonemic by itself, it combines with length to make systematic distinctions. There is no reason to suppress this information, leading to incorrect pronunciations. −Woodstone 19:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back and front a 

message: Someone please add a "Thai (language)" redirect to this article. (or make this article the redirect and move the contents to there)
This article name format is standard for languages that have the same name as a country or nationality. (or food or whatever) --64.149.40.175 21:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: done −Woodstone 08:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! --70.143.57.160 05:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect page 

message: The article only gives phonetic realization of tones for long vowels. Does anyone know what they are, generally, for short vowels? Davilla 14:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonetic realization of tones for short vowels 

message: I'm curious if ป has migrated toward บ (as /b/) and ต toward ด (as /d/). I can barely hear a difference, except that ด is possibly post-alveolar and ต is almost dental. But my beginning Thai book doesn't make that distinction. And ก is almost closer to /g/ or at least /ɡ̊/ no? Or is that just English influence on my ears? 203.154.48.179 20:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: B. P. Becker's Thai for Beginners, which transliterates ป as bp and ต as dt, answered one of my questions. "The /dt/ sound lies between the /d/ and the /t/. Similarly, the /bp/ is between /b/ and /p/." I guess I had misread it earlier. I was confused by the following sentence, "(In linguistic terms, they are both unvoiced and unaspirated.)" In linguistic terms, ป and ต are slightly voiced, would be the point that was trying to be made. Becker's explanations are not always very clear. 203.154.48.179 17:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't understand why IPA doesn't just use separate symbols for aspirated p t k etc. since they are distinct phonemes in so many languages. This is supposed to be a universal system, right? But no, they introduce ambiguity for unaspirated phones which they then choose to resolve with some silly = diacritic. If voiced and unvoiced phones can have separate symbols, why not unvoiced with and unvoiced without aspriation? Because of English? 203.154.48.179 22:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, well, thanks for your help. I was corrected today on the street, repeating the word for peanut or something, and I heard the difference! 203.154.48.179 00:37, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voiced and (un)aspirated plosives

message: Are the words ไหม and มั้ย, used to indicate questions and suggestions, considered as particles? If so, we could add them to the table of particles. Wikky Horse 22:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question Particles 

message: * คนอ้วน (khon uan, IPA: [kʰon uan ]) a fat person
There should be one like above this saying which word means fat, and which word means person. (Even if one ought to know already.)
    * คนอ้วนๆ (khon uan uan, IPA: [kʰon uan uan]) a very/rather fat person
    * คนอ้วนไว (khon uan wai) a person who becomes/became fat quickly
    * คนอ้วนไวๆ (khon uan wai wai) a person who becomes/became fat very/rather quickly
    * ฉันหิว (chan hiw) I am hungry.
Say which word means I and which word means hungry.
    * ฉันจะหิว (chan cha hiew) I will be hungry.
    * ฉันกำลังหิว (chan kamlang hiw) I am becoming hungry. or I am hungry right now.
    * ฉันหิวแล้ว (chan hiw laeo) I am already hungry.
Jidanni 01:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An explicit explanation isn't too necessary, and it would probably clutter the article more. The main paragraph of the Adjective/Adverb subsection states that adjectives/adverbs follow the noun that they describe, so one can deduce what each respective word in the examples means. Also, since the adjective/adverb is the word that is duplicated (instead of the noun), the reader can further confirm his/her findings. Wikky Horse 22:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forgot basic word definitions 

message: Need Thai script at Mnong, specifically for the name "Khunjunob" that is quoted in the text. Badagnani 05:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need Thai script 

message: Which direction one writes/reads this language (ie, left-to-right or vice versa)? Shouldn't this info be in the box? (Or is it already there?) -- nevermind: I found it in Thai_alphabet
Wikiak 11:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That bit of information still belongs in this article. (Even here, you told us you found it, but you didn't tell us what you found!) —MiguelMunoz (talk) 20:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Just found it. It's left-to-right. Adding it to the article. —MiguelMunoz (talk) 20:12, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Thai is generally written left to right, then top to bottom, similar to English. For details, please see Thai language#Script and Thai script. Vowels are placed according to the consonant sound they follow. The vowels can be written in any position relative to the consonant. Please see Thai script#Vowels. —Wikky Horse (talk) 03:13, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Writing Direction?

message: ... or at least I can't find it. Since tone reading depends on class, that needs to be there. You have some odd color scheme going on in the consonant table, which is also unexplained. Maybe you could color code for class. BTW, I'm converting articles over to the IPA, and I transcribed Muay Thai as having two low tones. Please correct me if I'm wrong; "32" doesn't mean anything in the IPA. kwami 07:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, consonant class is not a property of the Thai language (this article), but of the Thai writing system, partly described in Thai alphabet, including the consonant classes. Thai language has tones, which are denoted in the script by a combination of classed consonants and tone marks. The table defining the value of the tone marks should be moved from the present article to the one on the script. −Woodstone 08:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that would make more sense. kwami 09:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. −Woodstone (talk) 10:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  you forgot to include consonant class 

message: Someone added Thai กุ้งแห้ง at Dried shrimp, but didn't add a romanization. Is it goong haeng? Badagnani (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to RTGS it's kung haeng. −Woodstone (talk) 09:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need romanization 

message: Does anyone know the etymology and literal meaning of the name วิหาร (Wihan)? I assume it comes from the Sanskrit/Pali "Vihara," meaning "monastery." Badagnani (talk) 01:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See here: Vihara. --hdamm (talk) 18:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: วิหาร

message: Need Thai name at Chili oil. Can someone who knows the Thai name add it there? Badagnani (talk) 23:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need Thai assistance 

message: Following on the discussion with Woodstone about being to quick to revert edits, I want to start a new talk section to discuss changes that should be made to the article. I'm of the opinion that the article is very bad right now. In the past I've avoided editing this page because it seems like spats and editing wars break out over minor changes. But the article needs a major overhaul, so we need to discuss this up front if it's going to improve.
Mainly, I think we need more separate articles to go into all the gory details, to keep the main article as an overview. Right now Thai only has one "Main article:" breakaway -- for the alphabet. Look at any major language page and there are many more. Japanese has five "Main article:" sub-articles, Chinese has seven, English, Korean and Spanish each have nine. And each has a dozen or more relevant "See also" Wikipedia articles. Let's work on fixing this. We can look at other languages for ideas on how to structure, and for ideas about what articles to write for Thai. (Edit: Moved discussion of IPA to a new topic below.)
I'll start off with just this for now, though there are more critiques to be made. Thoughts? --rikker (talk) 02:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improving this article 

message: There is an opportunity to add the Thai version of the English imperative phrase "Imagine Peace" to the In Other Languages section of Yoko Ono's Imagine Peace Tower. Use the proper script if possible, and put all in upper case if applicable. If a choice of expressions, select words used by "the common man". Thanks. Irv (talk) 05:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed at Imagine Peace Tower page 

message: The discussion of interfamilial relationships is not really relevant in the individual language articles.  If someone wants to know how the Kradai family might be related to other language families in the region, then the discussion belongs at Kradai languages, not here.  The Kradai languages have not been related with any certainty to any other language family.  There are suggestive data to link it with Austronesian, but the older suggestion of Chinese linguists that they might be related to Sino-Tibetan has been thoroughly rejected by the majority of modern historical linguists.  The link to Austronesian isn't widely accepted either, but more historical linguists consider it possible.  (Taivo (talk) 14:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentioning interfamilial relationships 

message: The section on Thai particles is very brief which is a pity consdiering their importance in colloquial Thai.
Here is a good link to Thai particles which would be a useful addition in the links section.
http://siamsmile.webs.com/thaiparticles/thaiparticles.html
bluteyBlutey (talk) 10:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Thai Particles

message: Does a diagram of Thai tones exist? Please take a look at Vietnamese tones to see what I mean. Even a simpler graph like Chinese (Mandarin) tones is better than nothing. --Anatoli (talk) 00:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pitch contours 

message: Although there seems no evidence of any vocabulary cognate, Thai grammar looks awfully like Chinese grammar, like no difference in adjective and adverb, no inflection of verb (based on gender tense and number) and using tense marker to indicate tenses and aspects. Is there any study on this? Is this pure coincidence or mutual influences?--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 20:41, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Till recently—and still by many Chinese linguists—Thai was classified as belonging to the Sino-Tibetan language family, containing both the Sinitic and Tai-Kadai groups. Now the tendency is to classify the Tai-Kadai group, to which Thai belongs as a separate family. But indeed both in grammar and vocabulary the correspondences are striking (in my non-expert view). −Woodstone (talk) 05:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  grammar similarity 

message: Should this be created? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruinfan12 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe. I'd say it is still pretty OK as it is, though. But if you were planning on expanding it, that would be a good possibility. Oh, and please sign your talk page posts. --JorisvS (talk) 16:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Thai phonology article

message: Do you have a citation for that? Kukrit Pramoj, wrote a series of short stories for the newspaper Siam Rath, later collected in thee novel Si Phaendin (translated into English as Four Reigns in 1981 by Tulachandra)passionatelyรัฐ), specifically to illuminate customs and traditions of from the  latter part of reign Rama V to Rama VIII (~1890-1946), with the English word "friend" appearing about the turn of the century as faen for boy-girlfriend relations. But Plaek Pibulsonggram (PM 1938-44) charged the Royal Institute of Thailand with the task of devising Sanskrit-based neologisms for English technical terms, most notably with Greek-derived tele- becoming โทร- pronounced โทระ Tho-rah, which, according to Thai orthographic rules, should be pronounce SO. 
British influence is preserved in the English version of name of the road   with the British, American and other embassies: Wireless Road (Thai: ถนนวิทยุ Thanon Withayu.) --Pawyilee (talk) 07:36, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocabulary 

message: ===Learners' resources=== 
--Pawyilee (talk) 09:53, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link proposed 

message: --Pawyilee (talk) 09:53, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Learners' resources

message: Perhaps it should be noted that some Thai with a modicum of English and meaning no offense may address Farang as YOU! Also, a resource for students learning to teach English as a second language (ESL) to Asians: Blog Summary 3: Pronouns and Prepositions--Asian ESL students. --Pawyilee (talk) 01:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Southeast Asian languages don't have Pronouns and Prepositions, says  Mark J. Alves in Article 1 of Explorations in Southeast Asian Studies, Journal of the Southeast Asian Studies Student Association, Vol 1, No. 1 Spring 1997  Problems in the European Linguistic Analyses of Southeast Asian Languages. --Pawyilee (talk) 13:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronouns 

message: Article needs a sub-heading on liquid consonants, which, in the periodic table of consonants below, are those in row 8 and in column 6, with these properties in common.
#"Live" syllables end in one of these, the variant forms of -ัม and -ัย, or a long vowel. All other endings are "dead."
#Those in row 8 columns 1–5 are nasalized versions of the corresponding consonants in row 1, with the seeming exception of column 2. The row 8 character is still a nasalized version of its row one parent in the dialect and name of the Nyaw people, but in most other dialects is usally pronounced /y-/ when leading and /-n/ when ending a syllable; if the character both ends one and begins another syllable in Thai, it is doubled as in ปัญญา intellect.
#Also changing to /-n/ when ending a syllable are ร ล and ฬ; a single ร or ล may end one syllable with /-n/ and begin the next with /l-/. 
# ร when initial in Thai may be a trill consonant or rhotic consonant R, but is usually pronounced as alveolar lateral approximant /l-/. In the Isan language, corresponding words may be aspirated as /h-/. See  Lao script consonant chart: the final character corresponds to the final character of Thai script, but the example word is also Thai but written as ร - เรื่อง.  Five lines up are rōt (car) and rākʰáŋ (bell)  but Thai, Isan and Lao regularly pronounce these words lōt and lākʰáŋ.
@RichardW57 
I agree of your references. Those're clarified about the language table. Juidzi (talk) 13:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liquid consonants 

message: 0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7  	8
1	ก	จ	ฎ	ด	บ	 	   	อ
2	 	 	ฏ	ต	ป	 	   	
3	ข	ฉ	ฐ	ถ	ผ	 	ศษส	
4	ฃ	 	 	 	ฝ	 	ห  	
5	ค	ช	ฑ	ท	พ	ย	   	ฮ
6	ฅ	ซ	 	 	ฟ	ร	   	
7	ฆ	ฌ	ฒ	ธ	ภ	ล	ฬ  	
8	ง	ญ	ณ	น	ม	ว	   	
BTW,  all rows and and all columns in this periodic table have properties in common.  --Pawyilee (talk) 14:57, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: Rhotic and non-rhotic accents in Thai makes no sense to me. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

text: @RichardW57 I've inserted a new heading to separate this discussion from the preceding, hopefully to attract some comment there. My table is phonologically inferior to the one in the article, but is useful if drawn on a blank flap at the beginning or end of a Thai dictionary, there to serve as a guide for thumb marks on vertical edges of applicable pages. Rarely used letters would have no place or not be visible, but the rest would be really useful for finding a vocabulary entry, even more so than thumb marks or cutouts on an English dictionary. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

text: @RichardW57 My Si Sa Ket wife can rip off a rolling /r/ when she wants to. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

text: @RichardW57 See below. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Periodic Table 

message: Is it necessary to link phoneme with ties, expecially t͡ɕ? What is this current wiki convention? Prior to the moment, I saw almost articles link them e.g. t͡s t͡ʃ etc. --Octra Bond (talk) 11:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ties 

message: Personal pronouns burut sappanam  
:burut sappanam neung  first person; burut sappanam song   second person ; burut sappanam sam  third person.  From burut  noun. A man, a gentleman (from Mars). Affix -man burut prisani   a postman. 
;Personal pronoun list 
:burut sappanam neung  male first  person I, we
::kha phra putta chao  speaking to the Sovereign (poetic or obsolete) 
::kha phra putta chao   speaking to a Royal Highness
::klao kramom  speaking to a Serene Highness 
::klao kraphom speaking to a nobleman, a prime minister, minister of state  or other person of rank 
::kraphom speaking to a superior 
::phom  speaking to an equal, nowadays the most used first person personal pronoun, taking the place of
::chan , nowadays mostly used by female speakers, but may be used by males  when speaking to an inferior, a servant, or familiarly as when talking to one's spouse
::kan, u'ah  familiar terms used among men
::kha chao  in northern Thai dialect, your lordship's servant
::khapha chao, kha  , your lordship's servant, your servant  in literary usage; in Central Thai dialect, a vulgar usage, or to express contempt
::ku  a vulgar usage, or to express contempt
::khoi  Isan dialect, also used by women
::nu  mouse, used in the first person  by a child
:burut sappanam neung  female first  person I, we
::mom chan  when speaking to the Sovereign, a Royal Highness, or a Serene Highness
::di chan  when speaking to a noble, a prime minister, a minister of state, a superior or an equal
::i-chan, chan  used colloquially
::nu  mouse, used in the first person  by a child, or by woman to express a similar relationship. 
::Other usages are the same as for a male.
:burut sappanam song second person you, thou, Your Majesty, Your Highness
:: when addressing the King or the Queen
:: when addressing a Royal Highness
:: (familiarly)  when addressing a Serene Highness	
::thanor obsolescent tai thao  or phradecha phra khun  when the one addressed is a nobleman, a prime minister, a minister of state, or a superior: 
::khun    most used second person personal pronoun 
::ther  is used to some extent, sometimes condescendingly.
::lon is used sometimes when speaking to a woman
::kae, leu  are used when speaking to an inferior, or familiarly between men
::achan , professor or similarly respected teacher is coming into polite usage, though it maybe only a vogue
::than  you, and than phu an , reader, occur in literary usage
::meung, eng  are in vulgar usage; 
:eng  (your)self, and chao lord   occur in dialectal usage, but are considered vulgar in Central Thai.
:burut sappanam sam third person (he, she, they; it; His/Her Majesty, His/Her Highness) 
::phra ong when speaking of the King, the Queen, a Royal or a Serene Highness
::than  when speaking of a nobleman, prime minister, minister of state, or  superior
::khao, ther, kae  when speaking of an equal
::lon, chao lon  refers to women only
::man  in the third person refers to it, a thing,  these, those; expresses contempt in vulgar usage.
--Pawyilee (talk) 05:00, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal pronouns 

message: How do Thai use linguistic markers relationally? --Pawyilee (talk) 07:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thai language might have some markers. Example, we can put 'แล้ว' at the end of sentence to tell that the action has done/been done, or put 'กำลัง' before verb to indicate that the action is occuring/being occured. They are all explained under verb section. In the other hand, 'นะ,คะ,ค่ะ,ครับ,จ๋า,จ้ะ', etc are just meaningless particles. --Octra Bond (talk) 13:18, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relational markers? 

message: The body of the article, at least the first paragraph, is clearly heavily borrowing from this Princeton.edu page. I am noting this because someone has flagged relational markers with "Citation needed", and that is where it comes from (along with the rest of the language in the opening paragraph). Instead of "citation needed" it should be flagged for clarification. 173.66.7.99 (talk) 21:18, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation or Clarification 

message: Could someone add the pronunciations to the articles about the current members of the Thai Royal Family?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.161.110.203 (talk) 15:31, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding pronunciation 

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http://books.google.com/books?id=h6U6AAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=g1AsAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=w_5GAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2B0YAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Jerezembel (talk) 20:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siamese grammars 

message: Old 
http://books.google.com/books?id=rh0YAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=5QhZAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Td0hAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=5QhZAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=iZM0AQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=HNhBAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=1T8YAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Modern
http://books.google.com/books?id=h3lb3jZaYI4C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=-5iWW-K1fLoC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ftxwq_6Ohx8C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Handbook and Manual
An English-Siamese pronouncing hand-book
https://archive.org/details/anenglishsiames00mcfagoog
An elementary hand-book of the Siamese language 
https://archive.org/details/anelementaryhan00cartgoog
https://archive.org/details/anelementaryhan01cartgoog
https://archive.org/details/cu31924009746227
Student's manual of the Siamese language
https://archive.org/details/StudentsManualOfTheSiameseLanguage
English and Siamese vocabulary 
https://archive.org/details/acc0132.0001.001.umich.edu
Sariphot phāsā Thai = Dictionnaire Siamois Franc̜ais Anglais = Siamese French English dictionary
https://archive.org/details/2792846.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/acl8679.0001.001.umich.edu
A Siamese-English dictionary for the use of students in both languages = Lipikrommāyon phāsā Thai plǣ pen phāsā ʻAngkrit
https://archive.org/details/abx3838.0001.001.umich.edu
An English-Siamese dictionary containing 14,000 words and idiomatic expressions
https://archive.org/details/anenglishsiames01mcfagoog
English-Siamese dictionary
https://archive.org/details/acl7636.0001.001.umich.edu
A Siamese-English dictionary
https://archive.org/details/ahy2419.0001.001.umich.edu
Dictionarium linguae Thai, sive siamensis interpretatione latina, gallica et anglica illustratum
https://archive.org/details/ahq1047.0001.001.umich.edu
Story of Jesus Christ (1848)
https://archive.org/details/pts_storyofjesuschri_3721-1246
Rajmaan (talk) 23:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siamese dictionaries 

message: Prenouns are nouns fixed but not prefixed to another noun to make another word. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:45, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prenouns??? 

message: The Grammar section of the article covers most aspects of the language, but there are still group(s) of words left out. The following types of words would fall under one or more categories, such as prepositions. I'm going to add these somewhere, but I haven't studied formal Thai grammar to know how they're classified.
* กับ kap, และ lae = "and"
* หรือ reu = "or"
* บน bon = "above"
* ใต้ tai, ล่าง lang = "below", "beneath"
* ถ้า tha, เผื่อ puea = "if"
* ที่ ti indicates a relative clause. It could also be used as a noun.
* ของ khong indicates possession. It's described as a particle in the Nouns section.
Wikky Horse (talk) 04:08, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The main parts of speech in Thai are: noun (นาม, nam), pronoun (สรรพนาม, sapphanam), verb (กริยา, kriya), modifier (วิเศษณ์, wiset; note the lack of distinction between adjective and adverb), preposition (บุทบท, bupphabot), conjunction (สันธาน, santhan) and interjection (อุทาน, uthan). กับ และ หรือ ถ้า and เผื่อ would be conjunctions. บน ใต้ and ล่าง are prepositions. ที่ indicating a relative clause is a pronoun. ของ is also a preposition. Note that official Thai grammars don't usually recognise particles as a part of speech. There are also several subclasses of nouns/verbs/pronouns, etc. For example, nouns are divided into common nouns (สามานยนาม, samanyanam), proper nouns (วิสามานยนาม, wisamanyanam), classifiers (ลักษณนาม, laksananam), collective nouns (สมุหนาม, samuhanam) and abstract nouns (อาการนาม, akaranam). This is off the top of my head from primary school, though, so you'll probably need a separate reference to confirm. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:37, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conjunctions, Prepositions, and Particles 

message: I was sure this page would cover this topic and am surprised to find it does not.  I'm out of my element and have no sources so anyone involved with this article: what and how are personal pronouns used with transgendered people, who are common, in Thailand?  Alatari (talk) 07:17, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In Thai generally the pronouns of second (you: polite khun or familiar thoe) and third (he/she: khao) persons are not gender specific. So there is no issue. The first person (I) pronoun most often is phom for males and (di)chan for females and a transgender can make the choice at will. But even more noticeable is the differentiation in the polite particle, that is attached frequently at the end of a sentence, which is khrap for a male speaker and kha for a female speaker. Again it is the transgender's choice which one to use at any one time. −Woodstone (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So it is easy for the person speaking to the trans person to not offend by sticking with khun and khao.   Is there a modern etiquette guide for Thai that includes trans in the discussion?  I'm assuming you are a fluent Thai speaker/reader.  If so then maybe it could be used for a source on a sentence covering this issue. Alatari (talk) 11:50, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal pronouns used when speaking of or to เพศที่สาม ([[Kathoey]]) people 

message: As it was stated above, Ethnologue has 20 million for Thai. However, it also has "Thai, Northeastern" with 15 million, "Thai, Northern" with 6 million and "Thai, Southern" with 4.5 million. Those can't have been included in "Thai" since they have 25.5 million combined. The exact figure for Thai is 20.2, add 25.5, we get 45.7 million, about 68 percent of population. Sounds reasonable? 85.217.15.79 (talk) 19:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Thai" here means Siamese, not whatever happens to be within the modern political boundaries of Thailand. Isan is Lao, not Siamese. We could throw in Lao, Shan, and Zhuang as well, but that's not a language.  — kwami (talk) 22:19, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Huh? I said nothing about those. 85.217.15.79 (talk) 17:37, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thai speakers according Ethnologue 

message: I know virtually nothing about Thai. But the Script section is very poor. I suggest that the most important facts be presented first. Here they aren't presented at all! It uses an alphabet. It is written left to right, top to bottom. There are no spaces between words. There are 44 consonants, two of which are no longer used. There are traditionally 21 vowel sounds recognized. Vowels appear adjacent to a consonant base letter. Vowels may be composed of between 1 and 5 symbols. Vowels can go above or below the base (and the vowel may be [incorrectly?] referred to as a diacritic) or to the left of or right of the consonant; and frequently combinations of these places. If a vowel has parts before and after the initial consonant, and the syllable starts with a consonant cluster, the split will go around the whole cluster. Diphthongs are treated the same as vowels [ if I understand ??? ]. There are four tone markers. There are [how many? 6? (space, comma, period, quotation marks, parentheses, kho mut)] common punctuation marks and 10 symbols for the digits 0 - 9. The Transcription and Transliteration subsections should, imho, be combined with more details of the difference between ISO 11940 and 11940-2 discussed (in a clearer fashion). The other point, that the letter order doesn't necessarily correspond to the pronounced order perhaps should be mentioned.216.96.78.28 (talk) 18:57, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Script needs a lot of improvement 

message: Dialect     	Provinces
Krung Thep  	Krung Thep, Nonthaburi, Samut Prakan, Chachoengsao, Chonburi
Ayutthaya   	Ang Thong, Ayutthaya, Krung Thep, Chai Nat, Kamphaeng Phet, Lopburi, Nakhon Nayok, Nakhon Pathom, Nakhon Sawan, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Phetchabun, Phichit, Saraburi, Samut Prakan, Samut Sakhon, Samut Songkhram, Uthai Thani, Chachoengsao, Chanthaburi, Prachinburi, Sa Kaeo, Trat, Kanchanaburi
Suphanburi  	Sing Buri, Suphan Buri, Chonburi, Rayong
Sukhothai   	Kamphaeng Phet, Phichit, Phitsanulok, Sukhothai, Kanchanaburi, Tak, Uttaradit
Thonburi    	Thonburi
Western Thai	Phetchaburi, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Ratchaburi
Khorat      	Khorat
i copy template from lao language's article and identify thai dialects by provinces --Joe Wetwitoo (talk) 19:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have reliable sources for all that, or did you just make it up?--William Thweatt TalkContribs 20:17, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: i translate from thai article--Joe Wetwitoo (talk) 23:26, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dialects table 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "ฑ" this alphabet/letter have 2 sounds.
1. “[tʰ]” when it appear in a live syllable, ex: คฑา “[kʰa˧.tʰa:˧]”.
2. “[d]” when it appear in a dead syllable, ex: บันฑิต “[ban˧.dit̚˨]”. Juidzi (talk) 13:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the letter "ฑ" 

message: Under "Checked syllables" in the phonology section, it says that short vowels from English loanwords take a falling tone in checked syllables, but neither syllable in this word [meːk̚˦˥.ʔap̚˥], which is labeled as a "falling" example, has a falling tone. So, there seems to be conflicting information regarding checked tones in this article, which ought to be cleaned up.
AnyGuy (talk) 19:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the wrong symbol was used. The second syllable is supposed to be falling and the phonemic column does seem to have a falling tone there, so I've change it. PointlessUsername (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit surprised that this (tones of loanwords from English) is covered at all. AFAIK there has never been any formal rule on this, and it's not really consistent. The coverage does seem rather like original research. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:49, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tonal Contradiction 

message: From the section on finals I gather that, basically, various consonants bearing some articulational similarity are mapped onto a one of the possible final consonants (and that goes for several of the final consonants): in the final consonants table there are (on average) quite a few more Thai letters per box than in the previous consonants table. This is, however, not stated (clearly enough for me, that is) in the text. Is my understanding correct? (I am not knowledgeable on Thai.) If my understanding can be confirmed, I could clarify the text a bit.Redav (talk) 14:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that's one way of seeing it, but I'm not sure "articulational similarity" and "mapped" is the best way to describe it. The sounds they produce in final position are just considered identical. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please forgive my wording: "to map to" is mathematics jargon; "to transform into" (which here includes the meaning "to remain") may be a better alternative. By articulational similarity I mean "with the same or a similar place of articulation". [At the moment of writing my remarks, I was not aware of other kinds of ways or manners of articulation, like voiced, unvoiced, ejective, stop, trill, click, unreleased stop, etc., (although I certainly knew about them) but those are not what I meant.] Without having checked all Thai letters - which I am not and may never be able to read - the final consonants table looks similar to the initial consonants table but "crushed", "compressed" or "collapsed" from seven into three rows, so that only three (nasal, unreleased plosive, approximant) out of seven (nasal, voiced / tenuis / aspirated plosive, fricative, approximant, trill) ways of articulation remain or appear. It looks as if the majority of the letters in each column of the initial table reappears in the same column of the final table (though I have managed to recognize that at least one letter from palatals column crosses over to the alveolars column). It therefore seems to me that most often a consonant in final position retains its place of articulation, even if its manner of pronunciation may change. And in getting reduced in number, several or many of them acquire identical pronunciations, just like you say. The "mapping" or "collapsing" is just more involved than the simple devoicing that occurs in e.g. Dutch. In Dutch, final devoicing maps voiceless "t" onto voiceless "t" and voiced "d" onto voiceless "t" as well, which means they get the same pronunciation when in a word-final consonant cluster (where cluster is understood as consisting of one consonant or several subsequent consonants). Another way to look at this process in Dutch, and maybe processes in Thai as well, is that in final position, certain consonants change certain (but not (necessarily) all) of their characteristics as compared to when they occur elsewhere, even though the underlying phonemic value remains (at least in Dutch). I wonder if my understanding with respect to Thai is correct.Redav (talk) 02:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Your understanding seems largely accurate. I'm not sure if adding a similar explanation to the article would venture into OR territory. Scholarly sources probably exist that discuss this; I guess it would be best to reflect their wording, if available. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:10, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finals: larger set of consonants mapped onto smaller set of final consonants? 

message: Charts like these are intended to demonstrate and visualize the relatedness of languages, but this chart has numerous flaws that detract from its ability to do so:
1. The romanization is not internally consistent
PYWAN = *pjwan¹ (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Kam-Sui_reconstructions) 
FJƏN = *fʰjən (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Hlai_reconstructions)
LPAN = *l-pənᴬ (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Kra/l-p%C9%99n%E1%B4%AC)
2. The romanization obscures relevant phonetic information, making some of the sound changes unbelievable when they would otherwise make phonetically-motivated sense
3. Not all shown words are cognates when the image implies they would all be descended from *lipan. Numerous words are descended from Proto-Tai *χeːwꟲ "fang" rather than Proto-Tai *wanᴬ "tooth"
4. I can only find contradictory evidence for the existence of a few listed words:
Jiamao CHAN =? saŋ¹ (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Jiamao_vocabulary_lists)
Ong Be WAN =? tɔn¹, tɐn¹ʼ, tən¹, tin¹ (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Be_reconstructions)
Tai Lue SEU =? xew³ (or Lu SIAO =? xew³ Maybe the same language listed twice?) (https://www.webonary.org/dailu?s=tooth&search=Search&key=en&semantic_domain=&search_options_set=1&match_whole_words=1&lang=en)
Sui HIW =? vjən1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20180612162325/https://abvd.shh.mpg.de/austronesian/language.php?id=736) 似た牌愛魔 (talk) 14:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for looking into that. I would prefer the image to be fixed, but if that is not feasible, it should be deleted. --Glennznl (talk) 15:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the Kra-Dai "teeth" chart be removed? 

message: I am changing the image for "ภาษาไทย" (Thai language) in infobox to use the recently created artwork :File:Thai_Language_(in_Thai).svg instead.
The supporting reasons are (1) the original work is in Tahoma, and the font does not fully capture the appropriate structure of Thai alphabets (as it is designed with the aim to disambiguate texts displayed on low-res displays), (2) the original artwork is a bitmap file.
--Sirakorn (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image for "Thai Langauge"