Talk:Fazlullah (militant leader)

message: Is there any information about his early years? My aunt saw some show that mentioned him and got all flipped out saying she recognized him as a guy who worked at a store she used to go to... yeah, not putting much into that, but it'd be nice to tell her that he definitely wasn't in the US in 2000 so she'd stop bugging me. --Patteroast (talk) 18:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life? 

message: I added a subsection to the 2009 February Ceasefire section about "Reactions to the Ceasefire."  This subsection may not really be as pertinent on Fazlullah's page as it would be on the TSNM page or even on Sufi Muhammed's page (since he actually negotiated the ceasefire).RDavi404 (talk) 14:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't think that this is quite so relevant to the biography of Maulana Fazlullah.  It certainly shouldn't be a section.  At best it could be part of a sentence. --Bejnar (talk) 19:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  We should probably edit the article so that it fits more into the flow of it and features links to the appropriately related articles.--RDavi404 (talk) 22:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: In fact, I think the whole "Military Situation" section should be omitted or rewritten.  "Military Situation" has more to do with the Swat than with Fazlullah.--RDavi404 (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I have made a first stab at changing the section to /* TSNM activities */ and discussing Fazlullah as the topic therein. Obviously it needs more work. --Bejnar (talk) 16:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 February Ceasefire 

message: When Bigsaf created the article in October 2007 he said: He preaches forcing vice and virtue .... What exactly does this mean? --Bejnar (talk) 19:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: forcing vice and virtue

message: The word Maulana is a title, an honorific meaning master.  The Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Honorific titles indicates that these should not be use as part of an article title.  Therefore, I propose to move this article to Qazi Fazlullah; although there might be confusion with the former member of the Pakistani parliament, Qazi Fazlullah. See "Archive for the 'Qazi Fazlullah' Category ". I also note Qazi Fazlullah Bin Ruzbahan, the fanatic, (aka Qazi Fazlullah Ruzbahan Shirazi) who wrote Ibtalu'l-Batil. --Bejnar (talk) 17:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been informed that Qazi means judge and may not be part of his name. Does anyone have certain information about his name? None of the newspaper articles that I read indicated that Qazi was a title of Fazlullah, but several did point out that Maulana was an honorific. --Bejnar (talk) 17:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move proposal

message: Maulvi Fazal ullah has been killed in Fresh airstrike! carried out by PAF jets inside Afghanistan The intelligence sharing played an important role in eliminating the master mind of Peshawar attack. The SSG operators have now responded with the visual confirmation of the dead body of TTP commander Fazal Ullah. Awaiting their return home safely    source:https://www.facebook.com/MODPak
zarkmughal 21:58, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  (e • t • c) 06:02, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2014 

message: Fazlullah Religion is Deoband Islam, not Islam, it needs to be correct, because Islam don't teach terrorism, anti-islam (which made by deoband promote terrorism), Islam is the religion of Love and Peace.
 
FaizanSid (talk) 00:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not requested a specific change.If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2014 

message: The source of this rumor is highly questionable, a hearsay report of a Facebook post made on a blog that appears to have dubious reliability. The anonymous edit was made by an unregistered editor in unsuitable format, placed in an inappropriate section of the article. Until and only if substantiated, the reverted edit, as follows, appears to be a violation of BLP as well. 
On 20 December 2014, an unconfirmed report stated that Fazlullah was killed by Pakistan Air Force jets in Afghanistan. name=oneindia http://www.oneindia.com/international/ttp-chief-fazlullah-killed-pakistan-media-peshawar-siege-1598251.html Activist (talk) 22:16, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Unsubstantiated Report of Death 

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message: Folks, do not describe this guy as an Islamist, these people have no religion. They associate themselves with the religion because it goes in their favor and gives them a purported legitimacy but it does not go in favor of rest of the World especially it hurts all peace loving Muslims that their religion is being associated with killers like Fazlullah. Describing them as an Islamist insults their victims as most of them was Muslims as well. Quran says  (Qur’an, 5:32)
This guy massacred hundreds of children in a Pakistani school, how can we associate his action with Islam.
Furthermore, there was a fatwa by fifty Muslim scholars describing Taliban's attack on Malala as unislamic so when an action taken by him been decreed as unislamic by scholars then why in the World we should describe him as an Islamist. His words has no value, this source states he used to say he was not a religious scholar so how can words of non-scholar have any value over words of scholars.
If this all is not good enough to convince you to remove this term, there are 47 references in this article, I searched each and every one of them for this term, only two out of forty seven have an indirect reference to this term, forty five sources do not have this term at all. How can we give undue weight to this term and put it in the first sentence of the lead? Keeping in view everything I stated above using this term is against neutral point of view, we cannot include something so undue and non-neutral in the name of WP:NOTCENSORED! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't go into detail too much here but just highlight that even Pakistani RS calls him "Islamist leader" so what else?   --Saqib (talk) 10:02, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  What do you think about this term being in the lead just based on few sources while majority of the sources never mention the term at all? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:34, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you run a Google search using keywords and see the results. --Saqib (talk) 20:09, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have done that and did not find more than few. Most of them address him as Pakistani Taliban leader or Pakistani Taliban chief in the heading without any reference to him as an Islamist in the body. I think we should be basing our articles based on the sources present in the article itself instead of telling folks to go do a Google search because then disagreement can arise on number of search results as some can claim they get many while some can claim they get few without any way to confirm or prove otherwise. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
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