Talk:Cerro Maravilla murders

message: The best souce of invormation in this case are the Senate investigations tapes in the UPR.I still remember a night when all TV shows stop in Puerto Rico to broadcast the first police official telling the truth about the torture and killings.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.145.175.135 (talk) 19:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. But how do we get them? - Mtmelendez (Talk) 20:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: :It was later known in a P.R. Senate investigation that the two activists were enticed into bombing a TV tower on top of Puerto Rico's Maravilla Hill by an undercover agent, Alejandro Gonzalez Malavé.
I'm not familiarized with the case, but for the sensibility of it, the accusations, and the body implied as investigator, there should be a reference to back up the article and the above text.
- Maio 01:27, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy dispute 

message: After reviewing the article I believe that it passes all of the Good Article criteria.  The article is well written, and uses its sources to avoid WP:OR, and WP:NPOV problems.  The best way to improve it, I would say, would be to find additional sources to support or qualify the current ones.  While there are plenty of in-line citations they rely on a fairly small pool of major sources.  Eluchil404 13:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, Ruslik 13:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review &mdash; kept

message: The article refers to the victims of the Maravilla incidents as "activists"; yet, the investigations clearly indicate that they were there to commit a criminal act of some kind. That they were suckered into it or not, and were later executed by corrupt officers, doesn't change this fact. They may or may not have been terrorists but they certainly were not peaceful activists; they knew they were going to do something illegal. Calling them 'activists' does a disservice to actual peaceful political dissenters. Another term should be used -Wilfredo Martinez (talk) 11:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are non-violent activists and violent activists alike. The difference, I think, is that both are actively promoting their cause, albeit by different means. If there are better definitions, please suggest them here. Sorry for the late reply, ;-D - Mtmelendez (Talk) 14:41, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes no answer is the best answer. It seems like nowadays to many people you are terrorist simply by the way you look, walk, or breath. The problem is not with the suspects but with the paranoid labelers running around labeling as a terrorist everyone whom they dont like. Terrorism implies terror, and fact is, I dont know any sane person who would be terrorized because a government communications tower in some deep in the forest place is being sabotaged. Again, oftentimes no response is the best response... My name is Mercy11 (talk) 04:14, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term "activists" 

message: Unbeknownst to many Puerto Ricans until this day, April 6, 2011, Ex-governor Rafael Hernández-Colón as Secretary of Justice 1965/1967, knew of the brutal persecutions of “Independentistas” (Those who favored Independence for Puerto Rico) under the administration of Roberto Sánchez Vilella 1964/1969.  Hernández-Colón was the political figure that knew the most of how the Div. of Intelligence of the Puerto Rico police force worked.  He learned of the division’s actions when he was Secretary of Justice from 1965 to 1967 by memos sent to him from the Intelligence division.  He would often times call the division for specific information on Independentistas.  He also had knowledge of the division’s work when he was Senator from 1969 to 1972 and when he was governor from 1973 to 1977 on the Popular Democratic Party ballot (PPD in Spanish).  The Intelligence division was dedicated to the persecution of Independence followers which they called terrorists, 24/7.  The Intelligence division would send memos to the Governor, Secretary of Justice and the FBI on their activities.  In 1976, Hernández-Colón lost the governorship to opposition leader Carlos Romero-Barceló, candidate of the New Progressive Party (PNP in Spanish), who favored statehood for Puerto Rico.  In 1974 Hernández-Colón was losing in the polls to Romero-Barceló.  In August of that year, Hernández-Colón proclaimed himself as “Commander in chief” of the Puerto Rico police force.  On July 25, 1978 two Independentista youths were slain by police at Cerro Maravilla Mountain in Jayuya/Villalba area under Romero-Barceló governorship and in that same year, he was being accused as "Commander in chief" of the police department for this crime, by oppostion leader Rafael Hernández-Colón.   The police that intervened in this event had all been hired by the PPD, Hernández-Colón’s political party and the undercover agent also (Alejandro González-Malave).  Coronel Astol Calero Toledo hired by the PPD, my ex-boss, hired the undercover agent and refused to “burn” him when he was discovered by Socialist Independence party members, early in 1978.   In a 1997 Senate hearing on the “Cerro Maravilla Case”, ex-coronel Enrique Meliá León, informed the commission that on July 26, 1978 (the next day of slayings) he went to the Ponce Police Headquarters and found out what had “really” happened (the full story) at “Cerro Maravilla” and that he had informed Rafael Hernández-Colón about it on July 26, 1978.  Hernández-Colón was to be Romero-Barcelo’s contender in the 1980 elections.  Till this day April 6, 2011, Hernández-Colón has not said a word about what he knew and when, about the “Cerro Maravilla" case.  You be the judge!  Ricardocerromar (talk) 03:59, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cerro Maravilla New Information