Talk:1988 Summer Olympics

message: Hi. I read that the editors needs some citations about the source where the information and fact about the 1988 Seoul Olympics boycott was taken. Well the information that was the source is the German edition of Wikipedia about the games this is the source address []187.149.241.137 (talk) 03:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  To editors about the citations of the article of 1988 Seoul olympics boycott

message: This article says that Anthony Nesty was "the first black person to win a swimming title". but the article on him says that he was "the second black athlete to win an Olympic medal in swimming (after Enith Brigitha) in Montreal 1976)". I assume that it is this article that's at fault? MagicBez 10:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the IOC database, Brigitha won a pair of bronze medals in the 1976 Games.  That makes her the first to win a medal, but not a title.  Nesty was the first to win a gold medal (i.e., a title). -- Jonel | Speak 01:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anthony Nesty? 

message: "South Korea's government became a democracy under the pressure of organizing the Olympics." This sounds wonderful, but do we have anything to back up this statement?  I find no reference to the Olympics in any other articles on South Korea's history, and to be honest, this statement just seems a little too bold. Ghost 14:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:   Olympics leads to democracy? 

message: "Women's Judo"... We're kinda left hanging as to why Women's Judo is a highlight.  Anyone got something to add here? Ghost 14:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Women's judo was new in 1988, so I'm guessing that that's what whoever put that bit in there was aiming at.  I've completed the sentence in the article ;).  -- Jonel | Speak 17:46, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:   Women's Judo 

message: :American boxer Roy Jones Jr. loses the gold medal to South Korean fighter Park Si Hun in a controversial 3-2 judge's decision, despite clearly dominating the fight.
As this is a non factual statement but a matter of opinion (I've never seen the fight) a reference is needed or IMHO it should go no matter how clear the dominating is. Even if a reference can be found, it should be rephrased to make it clear this is an opinion (e.g. despite dominating the fight in the opinion of many/some/whatever). References from a fairly neutral party, e.g. a UK source or something rather then an American (or South Korean) source would be good Nil Einne 01:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 

message: This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it.  Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed.  I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy.  In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright.  If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally.  Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 06:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube links 

message: Anybody know the Seoul Games' theme song? Eaglestorm (talk) 03:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official anthem 

message: Isn't that just another way to say "Trivia"? Or, stated differently, if one were to change all the trivia sections (which are frowned upon) by the word "Highlights", it suddenly becomes acceptable? 97.103.80.222 (talk) 15:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highlights? 

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message: I found the following section of the article difficult to follow:
:In preparation for the 1988 Olympics, the International Olympic Committee worked to prevent another Olympic boycott by the Eastern Bloc as had happened at the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. This was made more difficult by the lack of diplomatic relations between South Korea and communist countries. This prompted action by the IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch, who was committed to the participation of these countries. Thus, at the Assembly of National Olympic Committees in Mexico City in November 1984, the "Mexico Declaration" was adopted; by it, the participants agreed to include the host of the Olympic Games in 1988. The agreement of the Soviet Union brought a pledge of equal participation. However, various communist National Olympic Committees reacted with incomprehension.  After the Los Angeles games, East Germany had already decided to participate again in Seoul. 
#What does it mean that the participants agreed to "include the host of the Olympic Games in 1988"? Include it how? Was South Korea not already a member of the Assembly of National Olympic Committees?
#Why would the other Communist NOCs react with incomprehension to the Soviets' pledge to participate in 1988? The only other Communist NOC mentioned here is the East Germans, and it says that they had already decided to participate in Seoul. Where is the evidence that other Communist NOCs were already planning in 1984 to boycott Seoul in 1988 and were taken aback by the Soviets' decision to participate? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:14, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear paragraph 

message: The current article says Ben Johnson has since claimed it was sabotage. Though, that is incorrect. He has admitted his steroid usage in the documentary "If You Don't Take It, You Won't Make It". He did claim immediately after being busted but the Dr that supplied him with it had recordings of him knowing exactly what it was and later in deposition for the IOC Ben stated that he indeed knowingly took the steroids. That part of the entry should be edited.69.140.193.99 (talk) 05:07, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben Johnson Steroid Claims 

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message: There is a Maintenance template for lack of cited sources hanging over the section Significance of the 1988 Olympics in South Korea. There are cited sources there now; shall I remove the template? Mikalra (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove "No Sources" Maintenance template 

message: Copyright issue:
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I attempted to give a better and longer summary of a pretty long AP investigative article.
Regarding the brief summary which was already there, '  .  .  . Thousands of people, many of them small children, were sent to a "welfare facility" called the "Brothers Home", where they were subject to human right violations such as severe, often fatal beatings and routine rape.  .  .  ,'  No, that's not accurate.  The cabinet of South Korea did not have an afternoon meeting and decide, we're going to now implement a policy of pro-rape of children.
Instead, and much more difficult to prevent, the policy was one of drift.  They ramped up pre-existing camps.  The owner of the "Brothers Home" camp had a financial incentive as he received a government subsidy based on the number of inmates.  In additions, promotions for police officers were based in part on how many "vagrants" an officer arrested.  The owner had also received two medals and a 1985 film was made by someone else which celebrated his work.  And "Brothers" had the window dressing of religion.  There were visits to the camp, but they just showed the healthier, more well-fed residents.  No unannounced inspections.
There was a guy who sometimes taught at "Brothers" and who later become a principal at a local city school.  He even described it as a concentration camp, but  .  .  . he justified the severe beatings as the only way to maintain order with the large number of "unruly" inmates.  That is, he rather accepted the whole negative mindset around the label of "vagrant."
Which parts do you want me to leave out?
I mean, the details of how these awful things could go on for so long, to me, is crucial, almost central part of the story.
Now, I feel I was too long, a little bit.  And I tried to summarize the AP article sparsely (I wasn't successful, please see below).  I think in one or two cases, I may have left a very straightforward sentence from the article the same.  I hope not.  But I'm open that I made mistakes.  And please help me make it right.  The topic's just too important (I used two sentences with minimal re-write, bad mistake, see below).
For example, the fact that the good guy prosecutor Kim Yong Won was under heavy pressure and could only go after some aspects of "Brothers Home," that part has to be told, too.  And more fully than merely a single sentence. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 21:49, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "Internal prosecution records also revealed several instances in which Kim noted intense pressure from President Chun Doo-hwan's office to curb his probe and push for lighter punishment. Kim had to reassure presidential officials directly and regularly that his investigation would not expand."
were much too close to the original article.  The other approx. 700 words of my summary was actually pretty good.
I plan to re-write being much more careful, and I thank my fellow editor for catching this mistake.  And, if the topic interests you, please jump in and help. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 22:16, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

text: If you want my opinion, (1) you could do with finding at least another 2 or 3 sources to provide further evidence of the subject matter and to make it more balanced (see WP:EXCEPTIONAL), and (2) if you plan to write a lengthy section on this topic, you should consider creating a new article with a link from this article, as it will be far too long and specific for general consumption within the main 1988 olympics page. Alternatively, you could drastically cut down the material and provide a summary, rather than trying to include all relevant details, and direct the reader to find out more by looking at the sources. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in the process of re-adding in summarized form.  Please see this addition for example:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1988_Summer_Olympics&diff=849869535&oldid=849383077Yes, I want to do the work in more a series of medium steps.  But, for a highly negative topic such as this, I rather need the right kind of energy for an extended block of time.  Still going to try to do medium steps.  FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 21:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Camps for “vagrants” [homeless persons], including children

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: Something I observed just recently, the official logo of the Olympic Games appears to have been pirated by the Italian company Enerpetroli. Worthy of a mention? Fry1989 eh? 18:20, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect 1988 Seoul Olypmics. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Regards, SONIC678 04:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "1988 Seoul Olypmics" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: The current calendar is littered with errors and I am unable to upgrade it due to the fact I am unable to figure out the correct figures so please can this be sorted so a better version can be uploaded. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1988 Calendar 

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message: "This (edit: 1988) is the last time that live doves were released during the opening ceremony as a symbol of world peace, but a number of the doves were burned alive or suffered major trauma by the lighting of the Olympic cauldron. As a result of protests following the incident, the last time live doves were released at the opening ceremony was in 1992 in Barcelona, hours before the cauldron was lit and the doves were represented by flags during the opening ceremonies."
So which is it?  Is 1988 the last time doves were released during the opening ceremony, or was 1992 the last time live doves were released at the opening ceremony, or are we only parsing "as a symbol of world peace", which seems very fussy and particular, if so.  Honestly, I've been going through a lot of the Olympic articles and there's a lot of "first/lasts" that contradict one another and I probably should have documented those, too, instead of this more minor point.  Having said that, I'll defer to someone who knows more about wikipedia editing. 96.27.27.76 (talk) 15:28, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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