Talk:List of modern Russian small arms and light weapons

message: ЖАДНОСТЬ ФРАЕРОВ ПОГУБИТ.
Почему у населения нет всех видов вооружения? 
Из-за еврейской бздливости? Другой причины что-то не видно: «Либо наш пархатый порядок, либо нам, жуликам, ворам и отравителям конец». 
Кто, кроме самих крипто(тайных)евреев, сказал, что вся техника, оружие и вообще всё должно полностью находиться в распоряжении «Людей пяти континентов», жуликов и воров? Какой-нибудь спикер? «Speak» переводится «говорить, болтать…» - пи-дабол какой-нибудь палаты, №6? Еврей дегенерат.
Всё и везде у евреев – у криптов. Сами не отдадут. Только идиоты станут «править миром» и т.п. 
А дебилы неисправимы. Замкнуты на себе. Например, всемирно известный, переведённый на все языки роман какого-нибудь автора – это и есть замкнутость на себе, дебилизм. 
Ядерное – запугивание  - нет. Обладая оружием придурки могут сделать с тобой и с природой, что угодно. Кругом одна цивилизованная дегенеративная мертвятина. Дальше может быть хуже, если не отобрать у идиотов технику с оружием.
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thread_title: Untitled

message: This page was requested in the requested articles list. I've gathered the info I put on this page from the List of firearms, and I added this page there in the "see also" section. It might be appropriate to move this to a new page called List of Russian Firearms, and leave a redirect. I'm fairly new to this, so I'll let someone else make that call. -NorsemanII 22:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: About this page

message: A lot of these weapons are not Russian. To say that they are Russian is to imply that they are specifically of Russian origin and this simply is not true. The Vinvotsky Mosin, for example, is half Belgian. The article would be more accurate if all of the weapons post-1919 and pre-1991 were moved to a list of Soviet weaponry. MVMosin 08:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the article about Mosin-Nagant rifle why it is named so. M1910 Maxim and M1985 Nagant are of foreign origin. What else? 70.27.64.82 (talk) 00:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Nation-Region Confusion! 

message: I was looking at this and i thought we could re organziz it by insted having it like
A
*assault rifle
example
example 
*handguns
example exapmle
And so on and so forth. That way you can eaisly look in the type of weapon and not have to struggle to look at. Also feel free to make my example eaiser to read ForeverDEAD 15:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization? 

message: I throughouly agree with above poster. The navigation would be much easier that way, and more intuitive than having to know the designation for a gun. 
On expansion in general, i have found an excellent  http://www.securityarms.com/forums/showthread.php?t=688&page=2 
source for new articles and pictures alike. They are still copyrighted of course, but i have found a lot of Soviet and Russian weaponry that is described in this sections, plus 2 times the amount of new to me and unkown weapons. The AS (PU-192), (D-201) series is particularly of interest. There are photos of a lot of things for which images are missing in the current articles.
This section might get more traffic if the weapons hierarchy is reorganized.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.69.83 (talk) 06:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: I came here looking for Russian terms for 19th c. guns.  There is nothing here about  early 20th or earlier centuries' weapons. 202.126.91.146 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 08:57, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Only relatively recent weapons

message: * Shkval (rifle) - lack sources
* AO-63 assault rifle - not real?
* AO-65 assault rifle - lack info
* Grad assault rifle - needs rewrite
* Saritch 308 - freudian garbage
;Not notable:
* 2B-A-30, 2B-A-35
* 2B-A-40, 2B-A-45, 2B-P-40
* 2B-P-25
* A2P assault rifle
* AG-021
* AG-043
* AO-31 (AO-31-7 is mentioned)
* Bandayevsky RB-12
* Dlugov assault rifle
* Garanin machine gun, 2B-P-45
* KB-P 790
* Kovonalov machine gun  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nhjtyr (talk • contribs) 00:25, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If a weapon has an article, then it is probably notable under wikipedia guidelines for inclusion in the list. GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: These articles have no sources that establish notability. G_PViB (talk) 23:07, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Then they need putting up for Articles for Deletion. I'll mention it at MilHist. GraemeLeggett (talk) 09:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've sent the ones I don't think meet WP:N to AfD. Ansh666 17:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left-outs 

message: This article claims that the AK-12 is the "latest service rifle". It would be more accurate to say "Latest Kalashnikov rifle", as the AK-12 is not currently a service rifle of any nation. 71.226.245.178 (talk) 20:20, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  AK-12 

message: I recommend that we remove all of the experimental weapons from this article as none of them have gone into production and are unlikely to be encountered outside of a museum. As such they are not particularly notable. Also, while some of these prototypes lead to notable weapons, such as the AK-47, the prototypes themselves are not notable individually.--RAF910 (talk) 18:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Experimental weapons 

message: :While I can see an argument for removing weapons that did not enter production or service. Or narrowing the scope of the article to only personal weapons, You might want to consider retaining the information somewhere (Provided it is adequately sourced) eg creating List of experimental weapons of the USSR or CIS, or Russia, as is appropriate. But if the scope is changed, then the article title ought to match the contents.
Alternatively, there is nothing wrong with having heavier weapons in a list article - List of weapons of the United States Marine Corps goes all the way up to 155mm howitzers. And List of World War II weapons of the United Kingdom and List of World War II weapons of the Soviet Union both include tanks. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:46, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: removals

message: I have removed weapons that have been out of service for over 120 years or only a handful of examples are left that can only be found in in museums. I think we should limit the scope of this article to the modern post World War II era. I really don't see the value of listing weapons that have been obsolete for a hundred years or more. Or, weapons that were made in such small numbers that can only be found in museums.--RAF910 (talk) 01:59, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Lists are lists, but if you are going to change the scope, then the article name needs to change to reflect the new scope. General lists eg List of ship names of the Royal Navy are totally inclusive no matter how obscure or ancient the item. But the intent of a list is for information or to aid navigation (WP:LISTPURP) To omit is to make it hardy for the reader to find something. GraemeLeggett (talk) 07:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If the title is clear, then there's not much need to put a lengthy description of what is/isn't included in the lede. But is need to be clear is it Russian, or Soviet, or both. GraemeLeggett (talk) 22:46, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think we should limit the scope of this article  

message: The article is currently named List of modern Russian small arms, when did small arms include land mines, heavy machine-guns et al?--Degen Earthfast (talk) 19:12, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

message: I notice a few weapons are missing, off the top of my head I can think of the PPD-40, Dp-28, and Svt38/40, seem to be missing, just saying (I'm terrible at editing articles and I am not familiar with this format so I'm putting this here) Yolo McSwagginz93 (talk) 04:18, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Weapons 

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message: Any reason OTs-21 and OTs-23 are not included? --Surv1v4l1st ╠Talk║Contribs╣ 22:42, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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