Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera/Archive 22

message: I've recently created two articles on historic opera houses in Milan -  the Teatro Dal Verme and the Teatro Lirico. Neither of them are active as opera houses today, and in fact, the Teatro Lirico is closed at the moment, but each of them saw several notable opera premieres and stage debuts in their heyday and are mentioned in various Wikpedia articles on singers, composers, and operas. I've put Opera Project banners on them, but please remove them if you think they're inappropriate. Also, the Teatro Lirico is a bit problematic in that it was called the Teatro alla Canobbiana from 1779 until 1894 when Sonzogno took it over. I've made a redirect page from the Teatro alla Canobbiana to the Teatro Lirico page where both names are mentioned. Voceditenore 14:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great- me and various other users have put forward the idea of creating a List of historical opera houses which these could be added to. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 15:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent articles! This is one of our major gaps. Using re-directs to cope with name changes is also helpful. -- Kleinzach 01:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Two new articles on historic opera houses

message: I got out my programme for Der Prinz von Homburg earlier and tinkered with the article. I decided it no longer merited being a stub and removed the status, but was I meant to ask for permission or something? --Peter cohen 19:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't need permission.  If the article has some substance, references, cats, etc. and it's been expanded to more than a couple paragraphs, its probably not a stub any more.  I looked at the article, and it certainly needs more information, but I agree with your judgment that it's not a stub any more.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers 21:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ta. I may find a bit more to put in, there's some stuff by Henze talking about th emusical language, but I tend not to like writing act by act summaries unless I have th elibretto to work form. Otherwise it looks too much like plagiarism. ==Peter cohen 21:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing stub status 

message: I've just created and am working on The Silver Tassie. If you look at the cast list, it calls for heroic baritone and high soprano. Are these voice types we theoretically intend to create articles for? Or should I remove the square brackets?
: 'heroic baritone' probably corresonds to this and for 'high soprano', perhaps just present it as: high soprano and let the reader draw their own concusions? Voceditenore 21:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay square brackets rearranged. --Peter cohen 22:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More voice types 

message: Now that this article isn't to be deleted, what is to be done?  Two possibilities spring to mind:
*Ignore the article and include all relevant information on the Verdi page
*Improve the article and add a suitable link from the Verdi page
There was also a suggestion that the article should be renamed.  I rather favour this, whichever of the above options are followed, as there are at least two articles not about Verdi's opera project that currently link to it. --GuillaumeTell 21:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After doing some searches on Google and IMDb, I think that the other articles refer to non-operatic versions of King Lear, i.e. what appears to be a television movie that was aired in Italy and Brazil, and a performance of the Shakespeare play in Italian translation. --Kyoko 14:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Renaming would be a good idea. (I am shocked that it wasn't deleted. Just shows how idiotic the notability policy can be when it is misapplied.) How about moving relevant info to the biography and renaming article to make it absolutely clear that the opera doesn't exist? BTW what is the title of the Somma libretto? Grove gives 'Il re Lear'. -- Kleinzach 00:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what Grove says in the Verdi article, but the Cammarano article has 'Re Lear'.  The Italian-language articles cited in the Verdi article have both!  I'll volunteer to do the work you suggest on both articles --GuillaumeTell 10:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Re Lear]] again