Talk:Amahl and the Night Visitors

message: The current article says,
:For several years it was assumed that the original telecast, preserved on kinescope, had been accidentally erased by an NBC technician, but a surviving copy was found
A kinescope film is a film, not a videotape. How can a film be erased? — Walloon 17:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Walloon is correct.  Videotape had not yet been invented in 1951, so the only recording possible was on kinescope.  The kinescope might have been previously "lost' but not "erased".Thomprod 19:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the change and updated the name of MTR to the Paley Center for Media.Thomprod 17:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kinescope film

message: User:86.27.10.203 has changed the date when the "howlaround" effect was used on the opening credits.  The article stated they were used on the original NBC production in 1951, but 86.27.10.203 claims they were used for the 1959 BBC production.  Can you cite a source for this?Thomprod 20:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I viewed a digital copy of the kinescope of the original 1951 broadcast and can confirm there is no "howlaround" effect used in this version.Thomprod 19:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of effect on opening credits 

message: "Although his music was regarded by many critics as too eclectic and derivative, as well as too accessible, to merit serious consideration, the public responded eagerly to such works as The Medium, The Telephone and particularly The Consul...  Menotti is often sentimental and occasionally banal, but his dramatic appeal and craftsmanship are undeniable. The Consul has a power that 50 years have not diminished while the sheer charm and tenderness of Amahl and the Night Visitors disarm criticism."
What have critics had to say about the various productions?  What impact has it had on the careers of the performers?  What were the main influences, sources, or subsequent effects?
It seems like there is an obvious cultural connection at least with the song We Three Kings of Orient Are.
-69.87.201.170 (talk) 23:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical reception 

message: Our audio recording runs about 50 minutes.  What is the running time of the video versions?
-69.87.201.170 (talk) 23:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1955 DVD recording runs 46 minutes for the opera itself, plus six minutes of carols by the Colombus Boychoir. Thomprod (talk) 04:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running time 

message: It has been suggested that an infobox should be added to this article.  Here is one using the template for opera, but I don't think it adds anything to what we already have in the text.  Comments? Thomprod (talk) 02:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: The article now has 15 citations from seven sources.  I think the notice asking for more inline citations can be removed. --Thomprod (talk) 14:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the article is still underreferenced.  There are whole paragraphs of the History section that are unsupported by a citation (I agree that the plot summary needs no references, since it is based entirely on the libretto).  -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure how many refrences are considered "enough", so thanks for the feedback.  I'll work on finding more references for the History section. --Thomprod (talk) 01:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice re: inline citations 

message: Please add complete details about CD and DVD issues. -96.233.30.113 (talk) 15:02, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are free to do this yourself. --Thomprod (talk) 23:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CDs and DVDs 

message: A 2007 review in the NYTimes claims that since the television debut, Amahl has been performed over 2,500 times. The work is relatively short, the parts are not demanding, and even a mid-sized church choir with a couple of paid singers can manage a decent production, especially by ignoring the composer's wish and turning Amahl into a Hosenrolle. Yet there is no mention of this reception in the article.
Janko (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amateur, semi-professional, church productions 

message: Shouldn't the titles of the individual numbers be quotated rather than italicized?  I thought that italics were for the titles of full works, i.e. albums, series, etc., whilst songs, episodes, etc. were only in quotes.
75.204.171.74 (talk) 16:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The style guidelines you are referring to are those in use for popular music, TV series, films etc. The Classical Music and Opera Project guidelines are a bit different, and require italics for all titles in the text of the article (regardless of what the title refers to), and no use of quotation marks. Regards. --Francesco Malipiero (talk) 18:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style Question 

message: (1955 DVD) Nov. 24, 2007 C. Stanley says:
"Actually, you don't have the 1951 version (with Chet Allen singing Amahl) and you may have a copy of the 1955 version as the part of Amahl is being sung by Bill McIver who sang the part for four years in a row beginning in 1952 when he was only 9 years old. Reportedly beginning in 1953 version it was recorded in color. I was assuming that you had a copy of the 1952 version because your cover picture is in black in white, but my son (who has sung Amahl professionally twice and studied the DVD's of the 1951 and 1952 productions extensively) says that McIver appears older on the cover of your DVD than on our 1951 version. My son prefers Bill McIver to Chet Allen because he finds him the better actor, although Chet Allen is probably the better singer and is available on the CD sold at Amazon and elsewhere."
(1955 DVD) Dec. 2, 2007 David Holley says:
"The DVD listed on Amazon is the 1955 live telecast released by VAI this year. I direct the opera program at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, where Bill McIver taught until he took a position at Eastman in 1998. We produced AMAHL under his direction from 1993-1996 and even brought Rosemary Kuhlmann (the original Mother and on both the 1951 CD and the 1955 DVD) down to Greensboro the first year we presented it. Rosemary recently wrote to me to let me know of the release of the DVD, indicating it was the last of the four years Bill sang it on NBC-TV (1955) and that the DVD includes a 30-minute interview with her that was recorded last July at her home in Rhode Island.
Enjoy! Bill was a prince of a man who passed away in September of 2003."
(1955 DVD) January 31, 2008 David F. Evans says:
"I was lucky to have been the college roommate of Bill McIver as we experienced early musical life together. Hearing about his role as he child comprised one of the best periods of my life. I see the man in this child in many ways. I own a number of recordings. This one is all I really need."
-96.237.7.252 (talk) 15:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amahl original role: Chet Allen and Bill McIver 

message: I just removed changes made by another editor because they weren't sourced. He made two significant changes. The first had no citation. In the second, he changed the assertion but left the original source. I removed the change because it didn't conform to the existing source. Frankly, though, the material that is there now doesn't conform to the source. Someone needs to look at this, or even the existing material may be removed.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New material and sources 

message: I was struck that Willis Patterson, the only African-American actor in the production, is the one out of the three kings who has no Wikipedia page. He was a leader and a Fullbright fellow as well as faculty at UMich -- see his page there. Could someone perhaps start up a page for him? Gus andrews (talk) 05:37, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a great idea, and thanks for noticing. But in my experience, proposing someone else write an article is never effective. You have to do it yourself. deisenbe (talk) 10:39, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I created many of the articles on the artists who have performed in Amahl. I'd be happy to create one on Patterson.4meter4 (talk) 13:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I started it. See Willis Patterson if you want to help expand.4meter4 (talk) 16:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Willis Patterson 

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