Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 38

message: Hello everybody, I'm trying to improve Australia National Cricket Team on French Wikipedia in order to have soon our first cricket-related featured article (and I hope it will be followed, soon, by the nine other test nations, even if it's difficult). Unfortunately, I have some difficulty to get some pieces of information... but I can find nearly everything I want on the Internet.
The question I'd like to ask (if somebody knows that) is : I've found that Bob Simpson was the first ever australian full-time coach for the national team. Before they have a full-time job, who coached Australia national cricket team ? Nobody ? The captain ? A selector ? Would you have some exemples ?
Thank you...
OrangeKnight 17:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  French wikipedia... needs some help 

message: Just a heads up, I've nominated two of the infoboxes for deletion: see today's TfD log. Hopefully pretty straightforward as the templates are unused, but I thought you guys might like to know. Cheers. AllynJ 09:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heads up 

message: I have found potential images for both Yuvraj Singh and Virender Sehwag. They are from the U.S. Embassy New Delhi website and from my understanding works from by the US government are in the public domain as stated here. Now the pic in question is a group photo of the cricketers (plus Harbhajan) and I am useless at photoshopping or anything to do with pictures. If you think the picture is legitimate for use on wiki could someone please extract them.
http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/gallery20.html
Thanks,
Crickettragic 04:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible free images 

message: Hi., can someone look at whether this image qualifies for fair-use? I have used it in the current FLC and a reviewer has challenged the use of the image. Can someone review and let me know and i shall then proceed to do the needful. --Kalyan 12:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, an image can't simply qualify for fair use. The use of an image in a particular way may or may not be fair use. The rationale on the image page needs to spell out that you are claiming fair use in 2003 Cricket World Cup statistics. This is important, as the question that needs to be asked under criterion 1 of the fair use policy is no longer "Is there a free image illustrating Tendulkar's award?", but "Is there a free image that would do just as well in that part of the list?". Apart from that, I find it hard to see how the use of the image "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic in a way that words alone cannot", as required by criterion 8. JPD (talk) 13:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image - Fair use? 

message: Just a note that I have delisted this page from GA, due to serious POV problems and BLP violations sourcing criticism from a blog. Please check to see if I had a brain explosion or anything. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 05:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your brain is all right: the article is poor in terms of neutrality and pretty badly expressed in a lot of places. Johnlp 07:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: On a side note, I don't think the aricle was actually nominated for GA and passed properly - certainly, I find no trace of a GA review listed anywhere. The closest thing is on the talk page of someone suggesting it be taken to GA; and if there really was no proper review it should've been delisted anyway. If memory serves a user passed it without so much as a word (though not under a WP:COI or anything as far as I can tell), and I bumped the rating up to reflect it without checking the article myself. Hmm. (The things we do when we're new eh?) AllynJ 09:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Naseem Ashraf]] 

message: Is the feat of opposing wicket keepers Read and Foster both scoring double tons in the same match  a unique one? Nick mallory 10:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Both keepers scoring double hundreds 

message: :Image:Bowlinatsomerset.JPG is an image that, aside from Cameron White on the right, I don't know who the others are. So I'll leave it here if anyone wants to find plafes to put it. If you look at the bottom of my user page you will see my other cricket images that you can put where ever you like if youc an find more places for them than I have :) SGGH speak! 10:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I *think* the guy bowling is Steffan Jones and the one on the left is Mark Turner. Nowhere near entirely sure on either account - infact it could be those two but the other way around. AllynJ 10:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats Mark Turner from a picture I took, though admittedly not very helpful! :D SGGH speak! 10:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I spotted that one, hehe. Although looking at the picture again, I'm not at all sure of who is who of the three on the left; although I am pretty confident that two of them are Jones and Turner (just not sure which ones). PS, I'm basically judging it against the pictures on their Cricinfo profiles from the scorecard of the match on the day the pics mention (here - assuming that's the right one?) if anyone else wants to give it a go, btw. AllynJ 10:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: What do you guys think about this guy? Is he going to end up on AfD because his one match was not of first-class status? Having made one County appearance for Derbyshire I immediately made the assumption he was notable, but now, I'm not so sure. I would hope his family history would qualify him if people were being super-lenient, but I won't be slighted if it gets deleted.
What say you guys? Bobo. 12:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shhh. Just keep quiet about it and probably no one will notice. ;-) Johnlp 18:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bingo. Bobo. 20:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Frank Evershed]] 

message: Am I right in saying that, in general, we don't need to have a category sort key for Bangladeshi and Pakistani bio's?   For example, Ejaj Ahmed should be filed under "E" and not "A".  What are the rules exactly?  I vaguely recall that this has been discussed here previously but am too lazy to search for it. —Moondyne 07:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wisden has all Pakistani and Bangladesh cricketers listed under their first name, irrespective of their relegion. The same format is followed by Cricketarchive. So if you search for "Zaheer Khan" in CA, it will come up with the names of two Pakistani cricketers, but not the Zaheer Khan - for him, you have to search for "Z Khan". Similarly, full-names are used for those like Tapash Baisya (who is not a Muslim) and a search for "Tapash" will bring up his name. So if you strictly follow CA, that will be a bit of a mess, but I guess the answer to the first question is yes. Tintin 07:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi.  The convention does seem to be first name usage.  Not only Wisden but the BBC has always done that.  I vote yes to the original question as I think we would be best not to try and do a category sort here or we risk the same sort of confusion that Tintin has described.  --BlackJack | talk page 10:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bangladeshi names 

message: Someone blanked the page of South African cricket team in England in 1998‎ last night and it was promptly reverted by an admin who spotted it via the popups facility.  The same culprit, using an IP address, then tagged the page with the "db-nonsense" tag which among other things sends an automated message to me as the original author.  But another admin saw this, removed the tag and placed a warning on the talk page of the culprit.  I saw the automated message this morning.  In case this person is going to clobber more cricket pages (and perhaps South African ones), please be aware.  I see his only other activity to date has been on Mein Kampf!!
His action against our page backfired because I'm presently working my way through the tour pages and this one was on the list to expand, so all he achieved was a slight change of my schedule!  --BlackJack | talk page 10:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandal alert 

message: Article needs one heck of a bunch of citations, notably this (). Help requested. --Dweller 13:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard that train one (or car, lorry, bus, etc) about a number of players in numerous countries, and suspect it's an Urban Legend! Andrew nixon 13:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "it is said" pretty well implies as much. A large number of apocrhyphal stories have grown up about him because of his "larger than life" status. I think there's something to be said for retianing a few so long as their dubious status is clearly indicated, as they tell us something about the way he was viewed at the time. JH (talk page) 16:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Properly cited, I'd have no problem at all. It currently reads like hogwash, as pointed out by a recent vandal to the article! --Dweller 16:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I have heard this about some others but not about WG. It definitely is not one of the popular WG stories (unlike, for instance, Ernie Jones and the beard, putting back the bails after being dismissed first ball, Charles Kortright's "there is still one wicket standing" etc), and IMO, doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt. Tintin 16:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Is the broomstick story in the next line true ? Tintin 17:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[W.G. Grace]] 

message: Liam Plunkett's article has too many different sections, and about a sentence or two in each. Like a section on his driving ban and his "biography" are not in the best of shape. Speedboy Salesman 09:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So do something about it. :) JH (talk page) 09:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems fair enough as his bowling is usually all over the place too. Nick mallory 09:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liam Plunkett 

message: Unless there's an error on Cricinfo (it's been known to happen!) I'd like to nominate James Kirtley for this. His batting stats for ODIs are:
Played 11, Innings 2, Not outs 0, Runs 2, High score 1, Average 1.0
I make that a ratio of 0.18 runs per ODI.
Has anyone with more than (say) 10 caps got a worse ratio? --Dweller 13:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worst ODI runs:caps ratio 

message: Hi. At the suggestion of Blnguyen, and with The Rambling Man agreeing and myself interfering there's now three of us thinking of working toward this WikiProject's first featured topic - the 1948 Australians.
Please see User talk:The Rambling Man for the origins of this and discussion regarding a special (ie no precedence!) squadbox.
Cheers, --Dweller 13:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone knows of the best books for this task, in describing the tour itself and chapter profiles of the players then please advise me. The books available to me can be found here. Thanks, Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 01:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Good luck with it guys, certainly an important part of cricketing history and a fully deserving idea for a FT. Unfortunately I'm not able to help (I have absolutely no resources short of the limited amount online, most of which is probably on here, as well as not being familiar with the tour in any great detail) but if I can give you one piece of advice it would be to change your lead article (presuming Australian cricket team in England in 1948 is what you are looking at being the lead now; it doesn't really "fit" if you get me -- one would expect a FT on the tour to be, well, about the tour; not the players involved. Creating an independent article on The Invincibles to be the lead article would probably be your best bet, with Australian cricket team in England in 1948 and the players as the articles included as the sub-articles. Just a thought, anyway. As I said, best of luck. AllynJ 01:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a fair point. A FT around the tour should have worthy articles on the matches, the grounds and all sorts of ephemera. Re helping - there's loads to be done that doesn't need access to books etc, like proofing, adding cn tags, structuring etc. And there's a lot of material online through Wisden - players' obituaries, for example, the detailed review of Bradman's career from when he retired and match reports from the 1949 Wisden. --Dweller 10:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

text: All members of the squad now have their batting graphs in order, thanks to a template that Raven4x4x emailed me, I have done the graphs. I did not do one for Toshack, Saggers and Hamence since they played less than ten innings so there isn't much point there. I didn't do one for Johnston since his average was 11 and HS was 29. Only a quarter of his innings passed 10 so it didn't semm useful. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 08:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Australian cricket team in England in 1948|"The Invincibles"]] 

message: Please see the thread at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous#Cricket_test_match_in_1951. :-) --Dweller 13:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub 

message: Can someone (or a few people) who know cricket please review these edits to check for their accuracy?  We got an e-mail saying it was all nonsense, and I figured I would let you handle it because you definitely know more about cricket than I. :)  Thanks for any help you can provide. Cbrown1023 talk 14:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole article is a hoax. I have prodded it. JPD (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much for your assistance! :) Cbrown1023 talk 22:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense? 

message: I have just completed a biog of Kippax and would like to nominate it for feature article. I think that the importance rating should be changed from low to mid, as Kippax is one of those players whose Test records don't quite reflect his importance in the game.
Cheers.59.101.198.148 05:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you should get yourself an account, since you are sharing your IP with vandals and some people will not take you seriously in spite of the fact that you make quality edits. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 05:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: In fact it's WP Australia for which he has a "low" rating, which is probably fair enough for that project. He didn't have a WP Cricket rating. I've now supplied a class rating of B, since that is the highest that I can assign off my own bat, though the article might well pass the GA process, and an importance rating of "mid". JH (talk page) 09:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not nominating it, else it would move me from about 160th to 110th in the FA rankings even though it wasn't my work. There's nothing prohibiting IPs from nominating, and the problems I was referring to usually come from bureaucratic users disrespecting people who contribute content. In other words, not us guys or the atricle people who judge FAs. But there are lots of benefits from having an account. one, it doesn't show your IP and physical location, secondly, you can edit articles like Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid and sourav Ganguly which are locked to stop anons from vandalising. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 01:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The place to nominate Kippax for featured article is WP:FAC. Go for it. Tendulkar, etc. are only examples of articles that currently require you to have an account to edit. There are indeed many benefits, but in the end, it's your choice. JPD (talk) 10:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I added a batting graph.Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 01:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alan Kippax 

message: "When referring to a cricket season spanning two years, use an hyphen (or an en dash) and the last two digits of the second year as in International cricket in 2005-06 or New Zealand cricket team in Zimbabwe in 2005-06. However, if the years do not begin with the same two digits, write out the full year: 1899-1900."
I have altered the above statement in the Cricket article style guide to comply with Wikipedia:Manual of style guidelines. 2005-06 should have an en dash, not a hyphen. Epbr123 08:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: H'mmm!  I do use – quite a lot but not in a winter date such as 2006-07 because there is no fast keyboard route.  Or is there?  I tend to use en dash as an alternative to colons.  --BlackJack | talk page 05:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  En dash 

message: The "Grounds" section in Worcestershire County Cricket Club lists all the grounds at which Worcs have hosted first-class or List A cricket. However, I believe that because of the flooding, at least two "home" games will be played at the grounds of other first-class counties (Edgbaston and Taunton, I heard). Should such games be added to the main table, or mentioned separately? Loganberry (Talk) 23:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right; that makes sense. But presumably the game being played at Kidderminster does count as a home game? Loganberry (Talk) 11:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye. If it's a normal Worcestershire home ground, then it's still a home match. Andrew nixon 15:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worcestershire "home" grounds 

message: 02blythed has just completed his project of doing an article on every first class player in Bangladesh.  Well done Blythed. Nick mallory 03:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bangladesh First Class Cricketers 

message: What do you all feel about this edit which combined Collingwood's two infoboxes into one long (confusing) one? Not only does it make it difficult to edit, it untidies a lot of the section headings. Is this a rogue edit that has slipped through the net? –MDCollins (talk) 09:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks very messy and of course where a player is still active in so many forms of the game then it will need to be readily accessible to be updated. Would probably matter less for a retired player, but I'd suggest going back to two separate infoboxes, or even waiting until players retire before doing the non-international infoboxes at all. Johnlp 15:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Collingwood 

message: Which do we use? To me, right-hand bat looks a bit silly. It implies that the player is a bat. A dictionary.com search for bat does not reveal any definition for the word bat along the lines of "Player batting in cricket", whilst batsman does. Batsman is used for women's cricket, so there is no gender-neutral problem of any sort with its use. I'd like to reach a consensus on this, as one user does seem to have a habit of changing batsman to bat. Andrew nixon 12:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Batsman, definitely, because the women use it about themselves. I think we discussed this before. Stephen Turner (Talk) 14:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to remember it coming up once before. One user has gone through a handful of articles about Ugandan players today changing all instances of right/left-handed batsman to right/left hand bat. It seems a little petty to make that one change to a perfectly acceptable article. Andrew nixon 15:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely batsman. Changes such as the Ugandan ones you mentioned should probably be reverted in the absence of a convincing explanation - and certainly should be if there's no explanation at all. Loganberry (Talk) 00:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: "Batsmsn". "Bat" sounds horrible. JH (talk page) 16:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: We should definitely use batsman.  I think the modern media has something else to answer for here as I have heard TV commentators referring to a right hand bat.  --BlackJack | talk page 05:50, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: That does not mean it's correct though. To me, and to possibly most English speakers, the phrase "right-hand bat" literally means "bat for a right-handed person". Plus, as I said, the dictionary definition for bat does not include any meaning that could mean batsman. Andrew nixon 14:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to differ. I don't know what dictionary you checked. I've just looked in 3 and they all have something similar to the OED definition of bat which is..."noun 1 a shaped wooden implement for striking the ball in games. 2 a batsman...." So, the dictionary argument is out of the window, and usage by cricinfo, wisden and others seem to think its fine. As I say its not often used in prose these days but is nearly always their choice in summaries. --LiamE 21:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Batsman/bat 

message: This guy has two separate pages at Steven Marsh and Steve Marsh (cricketer). I just added merge templates to both, but don't have time to do a proper merge, nor to decide the best name for the article. -dmmaus 06:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: —Moondyne 10:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: and Infobox added! –MDCollins (talk) 10:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steven Marsh 

message: Is everybody sure that this guy  is Keith Miller (sorry, I'm not able to recognize him) ? If it's true, I suggest to had it on Miller's article, because this photograph is by far better to illustrate it than any other... OrangeKnight 02:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: that's him. I uploaded that. About 10 more ar home scanned from the book. I'm reading up on him as well.Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 03:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, a good photograph for his infobox ! OrangeKnight 04:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Keith Miller]] 

message: The Rambling Man and I are cracking our knuckles in preparation for doing an FA drive on a bio of one of the 1948 Australian Invincibles, another building block toward the goal of a featured topic.
Unbelievably, we've lost User:ALoan's good-humoured copyediting expertise, which is nigh-on irreplacable. However, all and any of you are welcome to participate... some of you are expected ;-)
Because he's lazy, TRM has suggested we take on one of the lesser lights of the squad, a bloke who was called Donald Bradman. Heard of him? I doubt he's notable, let alone deserving of a FA, but TRM is a hard man to say no to.
Anyway, it'll be a ball. And you're all invited. --Dweller 11:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lazy??  You took most of June off boyo... The Rambling Man 11:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes, so I did. Shall I speedy Bradman for failing WP:BIO? --Dweller 12:05, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shame: I felt sure you would pick Ron Saggers for the Invincibles FA drive. Johnlp 13:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it was a close-run thing, but that Bradwing dude, or whatever he's called, just pipped him.  --Dweller 14:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  :). I should go and polish off Harvey and Morris and Tallon and Johnston. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 02:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The old gang are back 

message: Hi. I wrote this article as it was requested to be created. Pretty much all it is is a stub, but i've put the Cricket Portal link on there anyway. Could it be extended, or merged into another article? Bizzmag 21:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it will serve any purpose as an article in its own right - I can't really think of any examples in which linking to it will serve a purpose (Tendulkar scored his Maiden ODI Fifty verses x in 19xx) is about all I can think of. Regardless, it should probably mention cricket somewhere... –MDCollins (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree.  Article has been ed. —Moondyne 10:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The stub should be integrated into Cricket terminology. GizzaDiscuss © 11:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maiden ODI Fifty 

message: According to a section in the Guardian's over-by-over commentary, he considers his name to be "Sree Santh", saying further that "There is no Shanthakumaran, there is no 'S' Sreesanth. There is no Sreehantha." If this is so, then the article should be moved. The problem is that there doesn't appear to be any further backup to the Guardian's story. Does anyone have a solid source for "Sree Santh"? Loganberry (Talk) 02:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might as well leave it I think. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 02:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: IIRC, the BBC website's match report referred to him as "Sree Santh". JH (talk page) 07:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The BBC report does indeed use "Sree Santh". I think it is important to move the article if we can be sure that "Sree Santh" is the name he now wants to use. We moved Yousuf Youhana to Mohammad Yousuf, after all. Loganberry (Talk) 17:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well yes, but, we're supposed to use what's commonly used, even if wrongly. See everyone still says "Colon" Powell. So I think we should keep it in the common name and write and etymology section to discuss the controversy. As previously there were rumours that he was going to change neames to Sreesunth. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 00:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Digging further, I see that the scorecard of the match on the BBC site still uses the "Sreesanth" form, as do CricketArchive and Cricinfo in their player profiles. So it might be premature to change it. (Though I'd be surprised if the Guardian interview with him was incorrect in its quotes.) JH (talk page) 17:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wondered reading those articles whether they are transcriptions of an audio recording and are open to interpretation. He might have meant that he wants to be known by one name and one name only "Sreesanth", stressing the "Sree-santh", or by two: "Sree Santh". Unless/until this is clear, it may as well stay where it is rather than move it twice, but just make clear how he wants it said (as it does at the moment). Either that or ask Bill Frindall! –MDCollins (talk) 22:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My best advice would be to put redirects to the Sreesanth article so that whatever people call him, it will always go to the same place and will be of minimal trouble to do.Blackhole77 14:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Shanthakumaran Sreesanth]]'s name? 

message: Hi. I've asked the Australian WikiProject (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australia#Donald Bradman FA drive_-_request_for_help) for help with this, but I'm looking for notable usage of Bradman's name as a metaphor for outrageous excellence. Could be in politician's speeches or whatever and needn't just be by Aussies. I've also seen an excellent suggestion from our resident etranger (sorry, my French is worse than my sense of humour) that we extend this search to usage of "Bradmaneque", particularly outside of cricket. Help welcomed. Please post to Talk:Donald Bradman. --Dweller 14:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not too bad ;) ! OrangeKnight 00:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: In Adelaide a few years ago they renamed the road from the airport into the city from Burbridge Rd to Sir Donald Bradman Drive. There happened to be a "adult products" shop on the road, which decided to include something Bradman in its new name. They got sued. Don't know what the result was. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 00:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bradman in popular culture 

message: I request some help in order to, maybe, have the first Featured Article on cricket on the French Wikipedia : :fr:équipe d'Australie de cricket (Australia national cricket team), before doing the same work for the other test teams. I don't ask you to read the article (or if any of you speak French, he can of course !), but I'd like to ask some advice : do you think that the structure seems good ? I just have to finish some parts of the historical aspects (1950-75 and 1987-1999). I've made it as follows (I give you some key words if necessary) :
* 1/ Historical aspects, divided in :
** Aboriginal tour and first tests (1868-1880)
** Birth of the Ashes and English domination (1881-1896)
** Facing England again and again, but not only (1897-1914) -> first series win, triangular tourmament, etc...
** Between wars (1920-1938) -> 1920-21, 1930 tour, Bodyline, etc...
** Invincibility and "Invincibles" (1946-1949) -> the Invincibles
** (Here I don't know what to choose as a title : High and low ?) (1950-1975)
** Dark years and rebel teams (1976-1987) -> World Series Cricket, Underarm delivery incident, Defeats from 1984 to 1987, Rebel tour of South Africa
** Rise to World domination (1987-1999) -> Two first World Cup win, 1995 tour of West Indies,...
** World domination (2000-2007)
* 2/ Shirt and symbols -> history of coloured shirts, Baggy green
* 3/ Main stadiums
* 4/ Players
** Eligibility
** Current team -> contracted players
** Best players -> players of the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame, and I've added Steve Waugh, Warne, McGrath, Ponting, Gilchrist, which are not (yet) in the Hall of Fame... Should I had Bevan, Mark Waugh, Healy, Don Tallon among the "legend" players for their records/performances ? Anybody else ?
** Coaches (from Simpson to Nielsen)
* 5/ Statistics
* 6/ Social and economical aspects
** Media -> first radio broadcast, "synthetic cricket", first television broadcast, contract with Channel Nine, Internet broadcast
** Popularity of players -> Songs, movies, "Australians of the Year", ...
** Attendances in stadium 
** Contracter players' wages
I think I've not forgotten any of the main event of the history (apart from those that I've not yet written, such as the first tied test, the tied World Cup semi-final, the Ball of the Century, the bookmakers' scandal in 1998).
I thank you a lot if somebody can have a look on this structure... If you have any suggestion, please leave it on my talk page if necessary... Thanks a lot ! -- OrangeKnight 10:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks... I need indeed to develop the 1950-75 section... Would you have an suggestion for the title of this one ? OrangeKnight 11:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well 1949 - 1977 is the period between Bradman and Packer really, two men who had a vast influence on the game.  "From Bradman to Packer" perhaps. Nick mallory 10:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, that's a good idea ! OrangeKnight 10:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article in French (let's hope) 

message: It is that time again... GizzaDiscuss © 08:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Cricket#Requested move]] 

message: In reading an article (circa 1950) about Denis Compton by Jim Swanton, Swanton mentions how Compton is the master of all strokes.  Interestingly, Swanton feels the need to explain what a hook shot is but not any other stroke.  Does this mean that the hook shot is a relatively new innovation (surely doubtful) or is it a new name for an old stroke? Or was Swanton an old duffere even then? --Roisterer 03:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it was definitely known during Bodyline. Stan McCabe famously repelled Bodyline with his fearless hooking. No I didn't write that int he article! Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 03:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's what I figured.  I just don't understand why Swanton, who was writing to a cricket audience and refers to a number strokes (sweep, drive etc.) without the need to explain what they were, decided he needed to explain what a hook shot was.  --Roisterer 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could he have been making a distinction between the hook and the pull? Even now shots that are pulls rather than hooks are sometimnes incorrectly called hooks. Or maybe he had been asked to write an article of so many words about Compton, had found he had come up a couple of hundred words short, and so had inserted an explanation of the hook! JH (talk page) 09:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hook Shot 

message: http://www.leski.com.au/catalogues/a301/TCRI.php —Moondyne 07:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of {{tl|PD-old}} images here 

message: When referring to international/county teams we refer to England/Somerset. What would happen in cases such as
"Andrew Flintoff went on the England A tour of Bangladesh." Do we link to Bangladesh cricket team, which has more relevance, or the more accurate Bangladesh.
I usually use the former, linking to the team, if this is correct can it be added to the style guide? 
–MDCollins (talk) 11:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the latter should be used. After all, in the sentence above, Flintoff toured Bangladesh, not the Bangladesh cricket team. Of course, the link should be Bangladesh national cricket team, to avoid redirects! Andrew nixon 12:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:CRIC style help 

message: Is anyone free and willing to peer review or copy edit Marcus Trescothick - any views welcome as its now a very substantial article. 
Thanks,
–MDCollins (talk) 11:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marcus Trescothick 

message: This is an interesting article here on cricinfo but Wikipedia could not help me when I wanted to find background information on the series and this occurence in particular. Perhaps someone can write about the events of this article here. 58.178.148.161 08:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article on Lala Amarnath is currently really only a stub, though not flagged as such. It has a brief paragraph about the incident, which could do with expansion. Indian cricket team in England in 1936 is currently very much a stub, but I expect that someone will get around to expanding it before too long. JH (talk page) 08:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I've added a short overview of the matter in the tour article, including the cricinfo linkage.  I'll update the article fully in due course.  I am currently working through all the tour articles.  --BlackJack | talk page 06:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This information should be added somewhere 

message: Take your pick between Laxmi Ratan Shukla (3660 Google hits) and Laxmi Shukla (1080, including his entry on Cricket Archive), but this article is currently misplaced, most likely misspelled. Anyone with a brighter idea than myself please feel free to move this to the correct place. Bobo. 04:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am for Laxmi Ratan Shukla, because the middle name usually used when referring to him in the media. See how often Ratan in appears in match reports in a plain search for Laxmi Shukla in google Tintin 04:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Laxmi Ratanb Shukla]] 

message: I would just like to say thanks to all the users who helped in editing and regularly updating the twenty20 cup 2007 page. All we have to do is the finals day!
Not adding a comment, allowing the bot to auto-archive this section (original message was missing a timestamp so the bot ignored it). AllynJ 17:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Twenty20 Cup 2007]] 

message: What's the current world record for byes conceded in a Test innings? --Dweller 11:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 36 37 I think. Bearders said something around that figure half hour ago on TMS –MDCollins (talk) 11:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: here –MDCollins (talk) 12:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That should have been a quiz question! Another random piece of cricket trivia I heard from David Lloyd's commentary on the Eng vs Ind match today was that 10 August is only remaining day in the year when an ODI has not been played on. 2607 ODIs have been played in total. GizzaDiscuss © 12:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Apparently Les Ames strained his back in England's first innings, and missed the rest of the match.  Frank Woolley (recalled for a final match, aged 47) was deputising behind the stumps (presumably there ought to be some kind of dagger marking for his catch of Arthur Chipperfield). -- !! ?? 12:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit unfair for cricinfo to only record the designated -keeper, Ames heading the table for the most byes conceded while off the field!! Surely he could have let the record sail pass him as well :-) –MDCollins (talk) 13:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Kent have produced many of the best keepers to come out of England in the last 100 years. Dear old Frank Woolley was not one of em. --LiamE 13:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Prior should try catching the ball with his mouth, he wouldn't drop so many then. To be fair every commentator has said most of those byes should have been called as wides by the umpires and were swinging so far down the leg side that Prior stood no chance of stopping them.  Is Dhoni on for one of the fastest double centuries in history?  Nick mallory 13:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The record for most byes in a three Test series is 72 (Jack Blackham, Ashes 1893). Prior is 66 and is, sadly, unlikely to get there. Tintin 13:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I dunno... a quick-scoring but feeble English effort that just avoids the follow-on leaves India quite some time to bat, as does a large English effort that leaves the Indians with, say a small lead. An English follow-on would be disastrous for his efforts to win a place in cricket history. --Dweller 14:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Four more, now... Just need another 4 byes to tie the record, but with only on wicket remaining... OrangeKnight 16:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh well, equal highest for a 'proper' keeper. –MDCollins (talk) 16:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Damnit, can't he do anything properly? --LiamE 21:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Good news for Prior, follow on not enforced, plenty of opportunity to claim that record... The Rambling Man 10:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's missed his chance for the record books. --LiamE 15:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Matt Prior]]