Talk:Tim Loughton

message: This single sentence section is currently supported by the Daily Mirror. As a tabloid newspaper. the Mirror is a wholly inappropriate source to support such a claim. Similarly, both The Sun and the Daily Mail are simply not acceptable. This claim needs a better source or, as per WP:BLP policy, it will be removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm very pleased to see that we now have what I would consider fully acceptable sources for this story - six quality UK news sources. As they essentially all say the same thing, however, I'm not sure so many are really needed. I'm also still not sure that a single sentence of 25 words warrants a subsection all to itself. I also fail to see the value of using the Daily Mirror as a source alongside those other quality sources. I think it's wholly redundant and should be removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:36, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: So, I've removed the Daily Mirror source because (a) it's unnecessary and (b) tabloid sources are not preferred for BLP content. I'm still not sure why we have six separate references for that one single sentence. I'm a bit uneasy about it, as it looks likes Wikipedia is trying to make a point. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added it back as that is the source which states easiest how much money Loughton claimed. It is also only removed due to your personal bias. There are six sources as someone tried to claim the section was "single source" and "BLP violation"Sport and politics (talk) 15:44, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd very much avoid specifying any amount of money if this is based on a single tabloid source. I think six, and certainly seven, separate sources is wholly over the top. If RS newspaper sources can be found, it's usual to use just one or two. I simply don't see any added value in giving the reader seven sources. To me it smacks of deliberate political muckraking. But happy to get other editor's views. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:02, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: And which of those seven sources tells us that Loughton has claimed "... for hot water, in relation to taking hour long baths every morning"? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:14, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

text: I'm now "hiding behind Admins"? So... an MP likes to spend an hour in his bath every morning. How extremely shocking. It's only the Daily Mirror that decides to link it with a claim for his annual water bill. To my mind it's just a worthless made-up sniping political piece of tabloid fodder. But I am a little surprised you have the temerity to use the term "hogwash" here. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:34, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

text: I note the active thread at WP:ANI, which is how I found this topic. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that means you disagree with what I said, although you didn't explain why. At any rate, tabloids are not good sources for BLPs and I think we agree on that. Lepricavark (talk) 04:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

text: User:Whale7 has been strangely silent since kicking this whole thing off. I wonder if they have any views on the matter? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

text: You don't think the figure is kind of misleading, as it's for an annual water bill and not a bill specifically for "hot bath water"? I'd guess that Loughton's electric or gas bill might have been more appropriate. But exactly how big is his bath? And what temperature? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:57, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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