Talk:Christianity in Japan

message: There is too much detail on the actual beliefs of different sects; nearly half of the jehovah's witness section was summarizing their theology, something best left to its own page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.252.168 (talk) 05:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This was a good point and it looks like it has been fixed. Tea and crumpets (talk) 01:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Too much information on denominations

message: I feel it is important to stress the influences Christianity has on weddings.  It is becoming increasingly more common to have a "Christian" wedding for the sake of an extravagant ceremony.  Furthermore, much like Las Vegas, USA has Elvis; Japan has wedding chapels with Christian "priests".  This "priests" are nothing more than government officials certified to oversee a marriage.  Since I don't have credible research materials, and I don't live in Japan, would anyone be able to add some credible material? 63.161.86.254 (talk) 15:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention the influence on music and art. Some articles state that Gospel music is popular in Japan. About the wedding thing, there is already a Wikipedia article on it: Western Style Weddings in Japan. A quick google search brought up a few articles as well: BBC News Faking it as a priest in Japan, Japanese prefer Christian weddings,  "Christian" marriages increasingly the norm in Japan, Western Style Weddings in Japan --Azure Shrieker (talk) 15:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

text: While I think it is important to indicate how Christianity has impacted Japan (or Asia in general), I feel that the scope of the article should mainly be on actual Christian practice in Japan. As Azure Shrieker generously indicated, there is already an article on the Christian weddings.  As far as music and art go, I'm not aware of an article on Christian popular media in Asia (or something along those lines).  That could potentially be a very interesting article considering the secular nature of Asia.  My only concern would be to limit the amount of original research. --JadeFox (talk) 13:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity in Popular Culture 

message: surely some mention needs to be made of the bloody suppression of christianity under, i believe, the second tokugawa shogun, circa 1630.Toyokuni3 (talk) 20:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Added section on Religious Persecution.122.1.97.94 (talk) 01:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Suppression

message: Divie Bethune McCartee was the first Protestant Christian missionary to visit Japan in 1861-1862.
The article on James Curtis Hepburn says "in 1859, he decided to go to Japan as a medical missionary". Next year we're celebrating the 150th anniversary of Protestant Christianity in Japan, dating that from the arrival of Hepburn. Lathos (talk) 11:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wasn't Hepburn first?

message: Shouldn't Chiune Sugihara be mentioned here? Saving 6-10 thousand people is definitely 'notable' 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitelaughter (talk • contribs) 03:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Japanese Christians

message: The Japan have 509,668 Catholics, the Japan have 509,668 Protestants. The Roman Catholicism in Japan have references, the Protestants no. Someone might find the references to the Protestants? Sorry my bad English. Bruno Ishiai (talk) 22:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan 

message: I noticed the top of this page reads the line "OLIVIA WAS HERE!!!!". I am not much an expert on Wikipedia style code, but I doubt that line has anything to do with Christianity in Japan.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.241.214.36 (talk) 13:09, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused.  That vandalism appears to have been reverted (by a bot?) as soon as it was done on the 22nd, but I clearly saw it when I landed on the page today (and did so yesterday from another machine).  But now (minutes later) when I go to the page I don't see it.  I thought there was something screwed up at my end, but the above comment dated 28th indicates I'm not the only one.  Anyone know what is going on? 81.129.212.129 (talk) 06:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible vandalism? 

message: I have long wondered whether those Christians who were isolated from international Christianity felt any disconnect when they met their con-freres after the Meiji restoration. A colleague from Japan recently told me that this is indeed the case and that some Christians decided to maintain their own (somewhat syncretic) traditions and not conform to the orthodoxy of 19th century europe. I came to this article to confirm this, but nothing is there. Can anyone provide insight or information? Tibetologist (talk) 18:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Though this is a very old post, for future reference: The page on these people is Kakure Kirishitan. VDZ (talk) 06:41, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholics not in communion with Rome? 

message: Christianity was prohibited in 1587.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.39.36.62 (talk) 13:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This kind of thing should certainly be included in the article, although I personally have no knowledge of the subject. Someone who has done more research on Japanese religious history can add a lot to this article. As with many Wikipedia articles, it is incomplete. Tea and crumpets (talk) 01:27, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese version of this article is much longer, perhaps it has more information on this. I am adding a Japanese translation request. Tea and crumpets (talk) 01:34, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do not hide the evildoing of the Christian. 

message: there have been eight Chinese prime minister in Japan. they are Manchurian candidates. Yuriko Tanabe (talk) 05:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have evidence to support your theory? If you are only here to argue your pet theories, this is not the place. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 08:04, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian prime ministers 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I changed the term "Mormonism" to "Latter-day Saints" and referenced the Church's style guide in my edit description. I should have referenced Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints. I think my edit fits the guidelines there as well. If future edits refer to other Mormon sects that exist in Japan, then it may be appropriate to have the heading "Mormonism," but as the article is right now, it is only referring to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Just trying to clarify my edit, thanks. Tea and crumpets (talk) 01:14, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mormonism" 

message: It seems to me that the “Threat to Japan” section is somewhat biased.
Partially simply because of the phrasing/framing of certain… “facts”,
but also because certain assertions in the text seem a little… questionable,
and very much need sources/citations if they are to remain.
Examples of phrasing/framing I find suspect: “he learnt that missionaries were… destroying Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples”, “noticed that secret mission”, “realized that Christianity is threat” — these phrases imply that certain… narratives about Christians in Japan are objectively true, as opposed to e.g. simply being the beliefs/opinions of Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Obviously such phrasing can be changed pretty easily, and if there is concrete evidence of such things than it is correct. However, that brings me to my second concern…
Lack of sources: The section lacks any sources, and in particular I find these claims questionable: that Christian missionaries were “destroying Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples”, and that the “secret mission of missionaries” was to “take over the whole country”. But really the whole section needs sources.
Maybe I am wrong about this section being biased. Maybe I am making a mountain out of a molehill considering how tiny the section is. Well, either way, I ultimately just want to make this article, and thus wikiPedia, better, which is why I’m starting this talk page discussion. Sorry for rambling — 2600:1700:1261:E730:E48C:F0A1:84D3:D91A (talk) 00:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like the issues have been resolved. I removed on last thing from the section and removed the neutrality dispute. Roger the Monkey (talk) 21:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality of section Threat to Japan 

message: This is a very interesting subject to me, so I tried to investigate some more to find real evidence or proof that some Christians indeed where engaging in slave trade (which frankly doesn't surprise and I think it was expectable for the time). I speak spanish, french, a boit of german and english and only could find this paper, which can shed a bit of light on the matter.
The Japanese view the subjugation of their religious practices under the Christian faith as a form of enslavement of their culture, as philosophy and religion are entangled as one it becomes a threat for their political system- Also Christians planning to help colonize and destabilize Japan seems preposterous  though.
 
"The Portuguese chronicler Gomes Eanes de Zurara is a great example of the royal
ideology of his time. The tone used by him and the definitions he offers for just war and
justifications for slavery, however, are a result of Zurara’s time, when slavery became
one of the industries of the Portuguese overseas enterprise.
The result of these mid-fourteenth century policies was that just war came to
substitute the notion of holy war, thus making available to states the power to continue
their wars as long as they were justified. As Seymour Drescher explains, the “boundaries
of enslavability gradually came to be restricted by religious affiliation, but the
enslavement of infidels in a just war offered ample scope for the continuation of the
institution. 241 ” In this sense, the Dum diversas helped to confirm and legitimate an
expansion of the notion of religious infidelity and allowed the Portuguese administration
to justify slavery by itself"
http://repository.tufs.ac.jp/bitstream/10108/91848/1/dt-ko-0244.pdf
Jesuits and the Problem of Slavery in Early Modern Japan 
Rômulo da Silva Ehalt, Doctor of Philosophy (Humanities)
Degree Number Ko-no. 244
March 12, 2018 Tokyo University of Foreign Studies, JAPAN
http://repository.tufs.ac.jp/bitstream/10108/91848/1/dt-ko-0244.pdf
-CARISTIZABALMCaristizabalm (talk) 08:11, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Jesuits and the Problem of Slavery in Early Modern Japan

message: Some articles say that Christianity is spreading among Japanese youth, but it is not true. At least in 2020, the Christian population in Japan will still be less than 1% of the total.
* https://www.christiantoday.co.jp/articles/30484/20220121/2021-religious-year-book.htm
The source of this story seems to be the following survey. However, this statement is not credible because it does not even have a decent knowledge of Japanese, such as "does not even have an appropriate word for hope. We either use ibo, meaning desire, or nozomi, which describes something unattainable.", it is just a racist cultural theory that white people often come up with.--雪融 (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, there should have been more sources for such a claim including multiple surveys. Also, 2006 data is rather outdated for opinion based data so more recent evidence would be beneficial. 2001:8003:B027:ED00:459C:43EF:6689:2DF3 (talk) 13:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has a serious problem with sources and dates in general. It looks to me like it just needs to be rewritten with WP:RS-compliant scholarship, rather than obvious WP:RS fails like Christianity Today. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Some articles say that Christianity is spreading among Japanese youth, but it is not true.

message: Это правда? 24.94.29.245 (talk) 01:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Это правда? 

message: Something is odd here
the data says 2019 there was 1.9 millions christians (as per US government data) as of 2019 as per r01nenkan.pdf (bunka.go.jp) 
However in 2022 as per the article (actually as per report of bunka) 94046801_01.pdf the numbers is 1.262 for 2020 that makes a fall of 700 000 christians, is there any issue with the counting ?
Where to find a proper estimation, cause a gap of 700 000 is quite huge 103.252.200.250 (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  data from 2019 (2018) and 2022 (2020)