Talk:Quraysh

message: The Muhammad's Tribe section has been marked for nearly two years as unsourced and as having an inappropriate tone. I looked around, and it seems that it was somewhat copied and then modified from a book, perhaps the Quran. I really have no idea, and until we get some sourcing and cleanup on it, it shouldn't be in the article. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 23:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whaaaat? The Qur'an rarely speaks about Quraish.--24.186.110.18 (talk) 02:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:BOLD]] removal of Muhammad's tribe 

message: I ask because in the intro it mentions Ishmael as if he were an actual person when he was, in reality,  fictitious. Dr. Morbius (talk) 17:08, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Better now? Dougweller (talk) 17:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

text: This complaint makes very little sense to me as nearly all Arabic sources of this period are Islamic sources. What non-Islamic sources of the period would you expect to speak with authority on the Arabian peninsula? Jpshackelford (talk) 01:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  First of all, all Arabic/Islamic sources were written way after (at least a century) after the events, and the ones still available today were written at least 150 years after the events. Secondly, not only Arabic sources are relevant here. There were almost contemporaneous historians who wrote about Muhammad in other languages, namely John of Damascus, Armenian monk Sebeos, etc. In principle, they are way more reliable as sources than later Islamic account which would likely be based on hearsay, and be politically and ideologically biased. --Ideophagous (talk) 08:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

text:  And by the way, that's not my opinion, in case someone wants to bring up the WP:OR card. Several historians are of this opinion, namely Tom Holland, Patricia Crone, Mohamed Lemsyeh, etc. --Ideophagous (talk) 08:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this article supposed to be historical? 

message: All your sources are from Islamic hagiography and tradition.
There is no historical record of such a people outside these sources and yet sources exist that denote the historical existence of all other Arabic tribes of the period.
There is no Arabic root to the word Quraysh. Historians have proposed a derivation from Syriac, attributing the sense of foederati ‘confederation’. In this conception, the Quraysh were not a tribe so much as a coalition of Arab parties under Roman patronage, situated near the imperial frontier in Syria.
: Care to cite a source? What historical sources do suggest should be consulted?
This page really needs sorting out with some historical accuracy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.185.183.185 (talk) 15:00, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I authored none of this page but the material presented here is fairly consistent with the little medieval scholarship on this period I've read from secular sources. I am not aware of non-Islamic literature able to speak in detail about events on the Arabian peninsula during this period. If you have sources in mind that should be consulted, please indicate. I hope you are not arguing that because the only knowledge we have of a place or events in a particular period comes from a religious source, it is somehow unhistorical since this would eliminate most Medieval history. Jpshackelford (talk) 01:55, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is no historical evidence for the Quraysh tribe having existed 

message: I’ve reverted a series of good faith edits by an IP which added a massive list of Qurashi chiefs/ members. The list was largely unsourced and way too long. If anything it belongs in a list article so I’ve temporarily relocated it to Draft:List of members of Quraysh until sources can be provided, after which it can perhaps be moved to List of members of Quraysh. —Al Ameer (talk) 20:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of chiefs/members 

message: I believe citation 10 is a troll.
" Fück 1965, p. 884."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azahid1g (talk • contribs) 00:43, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Troll Citation