Talk:Kharja

message: The merge seems like a good idea to me.  Maybe merge both into Muwashshah leaving redirects?  Dlyons493 Talk  01:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that merging the article would be a terrible error. The Jarchas are not only the end of arab and jew Muwashshah, but also, and mainly, the first expression of lyric literature in primitive Spanish language. The had autonomous life, and weren't written by the same authors of the Muwashshah. This authors only compiled what they heard to mozarabs. Their charming siplicity and popular spirit have nothing to do with the erudit and rigid Muwashshah although they were written one after the other.--Garcilaso 20:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Merger with Muwashshah, suggested above, is a bad idea, I think. But the merger of Kharjah, Kharja and Jarcha is necessary: they are three spellings of the same word. I believe Kharja is the best form to choose. Jarcha is the Spanish spelling, not usually used in English, so would be my last choice. Andrew Dalby 15:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find Andrew Dalby's suggestion reasonable. Jarcha could be a disambiguation page (the Kharja and the music group), and in the article a reference to Spanish spelling could be made.--Garcilaso 15:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I tried to do it by myself, but as another article with the name Kharja exists it needs to  be done by an administrator. I don´t know the proceedings--Garcilaso 14:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Finished the process, I hope everybody agrees--Garcilaso 09:10, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely the sensible option would be to merge "kharja" with "muwashshah", and possibly leave "Romance kharja" as a separate article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Properispomenon (talk • contribs) 12:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: After talking to the editor The Ogre, I delete the categories for lack of WP:V. When references are given to the Portuguese kharjas, I will be pleased to restore them. --Garcilaso 15:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree! The Ogre 15:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However! The the Portuguese Wikipedia, in the article Literatura da Espanha, states: "Outros autores colocam também as "jarchas" ("carjas" em português) como manifestações literárias anteriores ao romanceiro tradicional espanhol mas dentro da literatura espanhola. Esta visão encontra-se confrontada com outras visões como ser parte da literatura portuguesa por serem dialectos moçarabes mais semelhantes ao português medieval do que ao espanhol. Outros estudosos qualificam os dialectos moçarabes como línguas independentes e analisando portanto que as carjas não deveriam estar incluídas em nenhuma das literaturas." This needs further research and sources. The Ogre 16:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: I have just deleted an edition that said more or less that "many" scholars think that the Kharjas were written by the same authors of the Muwashshahs, and "some" have other "opinion". Who are those scholars? I don´t know them and the edition doesn´t bring sources, only a web article that says just the contrary. The only reliable sources I know (including the more respectable experts, like Emilio García Gómez) have no doubt of the popular origin of the kharjas. It is strange, also, the deletion of the information about the religion of the Mozarabs. --Garcilaso 10:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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