Talk:Ondes Martenot

message: I just heard on Radio 3 an announcer mentioning that there are at least 30 concertos for the ondes, although that's not really a citeable source.  mentions someone who played 14 of them, but I'm reluctant to cite a source for 14 when I know it's actually 30.  Just a thought for anyone who wants to build up the article. Mark1 20:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Concertos

message: I could have sworn that I saw one of these instruments being played on SNL by Mr. Greenwood. There were numbers of SNL concert MPG movies floating around the net of Radiohead's appearance when Kid A came out. I recall seeing "The National Anthem" and "Idioteque" being performed live on SNL, and I thought I saw one of these instruments being played by Mr. Greenwood. Can anyone verify?
Answer: Yes, that is indeed an Ondes Martenot that Jonny Greenwood is playing.  It is an analogue controller designed to emulate the Ondes Mrtenot, which was built by Analogue Systems and called the "French Connection."  This version is more portable, and is cheaper than the actual Ondes Martenot synthesizers.  However, it lacks the sound generators of the original instruments, so it does not have as wide a tonal palette.
: Maybe it's important that "Ondes Martenot" is a registered trademark owned by Maurice Martenot's now defunct "Lutherie Electronique" (actually "Electronic Lute-makers") Neither the Ondéa, which is a quite faithful replica of the ondes, nor the Franch Connection, which is basically a CV controller for analog modular synths, may be called Ondes Martenot. -- megA 11:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is fairly well known by now, but to finally clear this up with new info: Jonny did in fact play a trademarked ondes Martenot on SNL. It was not his French Connection, but the rather unusual 1980's digital student model ondes Martenot build by one of Maurice Martenot's sons. The French Connection is based on the digital ondes Martenot, which is probably why they're easily confused for each-other. -- dbkarp 6 June 2018  —Preceding undated comment added 03:58, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kid A Era SNL Performances 

message: Questions, questions... who has the answers? Does anyone have Johnny Greenwood's phone number? He seems to know... --Sean 19:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a link that might be of some interest: Interview with Shiro Sasaki AngelFire3423 (talk) 07:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need more info on this thang! 

message: The article has a tag saying that it contradicts another article, but I can't find any explanation here. Can someone help me out? Is that tag obsolete? Should it be removed? Joshua Davis 22:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the Star Trek contoversey, I believe. See above --Bill Huston  (talk) 18:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The box says there are details here. There aren't, so I'm deleting it. If somebody can provide any details put it back. --대조 | Talk 19:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction? 

message: In 2008, there is a project to rebuild an instrument which is as close as possible to the original.
I did not add this, but I can cite prominent player Thomas Bloch who has told me that his instrument technician is currently building a prototype ondes clone based on instruments in the Paris Conservatoire and reconstructed technical plans. jdpercival 30/03/08
By the way, this is a separate project to the 'Ondea', which is a digital clone of the ondes. jdpercival 24/04/08  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.64.220 (talk) 17:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In 2008, there is a project to rebuild an instrument..." 

message: Why is this article titled with the lowercase tag. I see that the correct spelling is ondes Martenot - but you would start a sentance with a small o on ondes, would you ? -- Beardo (talk) 01:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering that too... A Smashed Pumpkin (talk) 03:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It's a flaw of Wikipedia. The first character must be capitalised to make internal Wiki links valid. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions). jdpercival (talk) 13/09/08  —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true that Wiki links require this, but it is hardly a flaw. In English (also in French), the convention is always to capitalize the first word of a title. Wikipedia chooses the less common (in English) "sentence case" convention for the remainder of the title, rather than capitalizing the first and last, and all other words except articles, conjunctions, and prepositions.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: these comments were just sitting uncategorized at the top of the this Talk page, so i just stuffed them down here to get them out of the way and clean things up.  please post properly!  -Elgaroo (talk) 17:48, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misplaced Miscellany from Top of This Page 

message: sorry, just trying to sort this out.  i know that early ondes Martenots especially could easily sound much like a theremin (and most laypeople don't or can't make the distinction) and were often used in stead of a theremin, even in compositions specifically for theremin, as they are so much easier to play, and an effectively skilled theremin player is often very hard to come by.  but the score to the russian film "Odna" is often proclaimed to be the first movie soundtrack utilizing an electronic instrument.  it is listed here as an ondes Martenot, but most other sources list it as a Theremin.  can someone come up with a definitive source to sort this out?  perhaps it is a bit of a moot point, but i would think whichever instrument was actually recorded would be the point here, not whatever it might have been written for or which was used for later public performances...?  perhaps the distinction is lost to history, but it is rather confusing to find it listed either way depending on where you look on the internet...P  thanks!  -Elgaroo (talk) 18:14, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Shostakovich's score used a theremin (and was the first score to use it), which was popular at that time in Soviet Russia (Theremin was Russian and the Theremin was invented in Russia), whereas the Ondes Martenot was used almost exclusively in France. (especially in the early 30s, when both instruments were still in their "infancy".) The "house" thereminist for Russian film in those years was Konstantin Kovalsky. You can see him perform in this movie from 1932: Komsomol, Patron of Electrification There were never Ondes Martenots in Russia, AFAIK, not even today. Would the liner notes of the soundtrack reissue for "Odna" suffice as a source? EDIT: I just found this passage in Glinsky's Ether Music ans Espionage:  "In the infancy of sound film, just after its first gurgles and cries in the late '20s, Soviet composers began to discover the [theremin] instrument. For underscoring scenes of mystery, terror, or the macabre, its tremulous, disembodied electronic howl was irresistible. Dmitri Shostakovich gave it a cameo role in his score for the 1931 film Alone [Odna]," [...]  I think this solves the problem. -- megA (talk) 16:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Odna" Score: Theremin or ondes Martenot? 

message: In this score (printed 1953), Messiaen uses certain abbreviations that do not correspond to the modern timbre designations. Here are some examples: 
* "métallisé amplifié - M  4 3 2 1", 
* "feutré - O C A", 
* "son tournant" (??), 
* "timbre Onde - A", 
* "onde métallisé gambé amplifié - M C B A  2 1", 
* "C B  3 2 1", 
* "cuivré - C  3 2 1"
* "timbre d'éspace, onde, métallisé palme M P A  1"
I guess "métallisé" (M) wound be D3, "amplifié" (A or B?) = D1, "palme" (P) is D4, Onde = modern O, gambé = G or g,  "feutré" means damped, "cuivré" means "brassy", but what do the letters and numbers actually mean (on a modern O. M.)? And what would be the "son tournant" ("rotating sound")?
Can anyone shed some light on these abbreviations? Would they be relevant for the article? I suspect they are described in Jeanne Loriod's "Technique de l'onde électronique", but I've never found it. -- megA (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Does anyone know where to find more information about the numbers and letters with earlier instruments?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koppons (talk • contribs) 23:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbreviations in the Turangalîla score 

message: Hello, the "Playing technique" section has a pic with only three of the loudspeakers shown, if possible can we get a pic of the Résonance loudspeaker added to that section on, or better yet a single pic with all four speakers.
Thank you  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.124.68.195 (talk) 16:28, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Résonance Speaker 

message: Please consider adding that Henry Mancini used the Martenot in the film score It Came From Outer Space. http://www.ondes-martenot.net/omdb/omdb_album.php?id=221 Haineux (talk) 19:57, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Cinema and Television 

message: The rock band Muse also used the Ondes Martenot in one of their works (in "Resistance" off the album "The Resistance"). This could be added to the article in the designated section.http://www.musewiki.org/Resistance_(song) Sapphiruby (talk) 07:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Music 

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message: There has been a banner on this article for over ten years requesting material to be translated from the Japanese article. It was originally on the talk page and transferred to the article more recently. I have removed this, assuming it to be out of date, but if there is still material on the Japanese page that could usefully be added, please state what it is here – or alternatively just translate it and add to the article. --Deskford (talk) 22:18, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation from Japanese 

message: do we consider the Ondes Martenot to be an Analogue Synthesizer?
I ask because the Ondioline that is mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_synthesizer#1920s.E2.80.931950s
(albeit with the caveat that "...would not be considered synthesizers...") is mentioned as being a variant/version/cheaper Ondes Martenot but with more options i.e. do we consider Ondioline perhaps the very threshold of an analogue synthesiser contra the Ondes Martenot?
*I* consider the Ondioline an analogue synthesizer, so I have added that category to it, but others might not agree to that, (feel free to change it, but hopefully explaining why it is decisively not an analogue synthesizer).
if the Ondioline is not, then the Ondes Martenot is definitely not, an analogue synth.
--CatCat (talk) 13:22, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  categories. 

message: I notice that User:GraemeLeggett has attempted to solve an inconsistency in the referencing that I had not previously noticed. There used to be a short "Notes" section using short-footnote references (SFNs), and a much longer "References" section using full-footnote format. These two sections are now merged, but unfortunately retains the SFN format for one source (Martenot 1931) while leaving all the rest as full footnotes. Is it the intention to convert everything to SFN, or is this just a temporary measure, with the eventual aim of changing those SFNs to full footnotes. The inconsistency of format is contrary to WP:CITESTYLE and WP:CITEVAR, the latter of which in any event counsels seeking consensus on the article's Talk page before changing from one reference style to another. While I agree that having two separate citation sections in two different formats is worse than mixing formats in one section (especially since that one source occurred in both sections), it now looks very odd to have a single listing for Martenot 1931 following forty-four footnotes, only one of which links to that source.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 01:08, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understood it, the injunction against changing formats was aimed at between parenethical and numbered. The efn style jarred because it gave lettered list that then linked to the work, sfn solved that. Sfn is one way of solving links to a source that is used more than once. But so far as I see, the rest of the sourcing is from single page newspaper articles/webpages - these do not convert to sfn. Short footnotes, whether using srn or not can coexist with longer footnotes, see eg this article. GraemeLeggett (talk) 09:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

text: There are currently two short citations that appear to be orphaned from the full ref "Loriod 1987" and "Bloch p7". GraemeLeggett (talk) 09:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Why cannot single-page newspaper articles and web pages be "converted" to sfn? The article Music theory appears to do this with no difficulty. As to the injunction about keeping to one style, WP:CITESTYLE differentiates between "APA style, ASA style, MLA style, The Chicago Manual of Style, Author-date referencing, the Vancouver system and Bluebook". It does not actually mention footnotes or parenthetical referencing, as far as I can see.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 00:08, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference format

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message: Shouldn't Olivier Messiaen's ondes martenot composition Oraison (1937) be mentioned in this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reliable secondary source indicating its notability? Popcornfud (talk) 00:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messiaen's ''Oraison''