Talk:Past teachings of Prem Rawat

message: I think this article should be deleted because
There is no way of knowing what Prem Rawat's real teachings were. There were very few scholarly works on this issue, in contrast to the beliefs and practices of the DLM. There are only highly polarized diverging viewpoints. In other words, the contents lack wikipedia:verifiability. Andries 10:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article for deletion because of unverifiability

message: I've changed the format of the decades from "'70s" to "1970s". This follows normal Chicago style. Not a major change. **Armeisen 00:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Small changes

message: So, as this survived AfD (again?), let's work together to to make it resemble an encyclopedic article.
Starting at the beginning:
*As Rawat matured from boyhood to adulthood,..
That would be exactly (or approximately) when? I'm not that firm in idiomatic English, in German that would be described as "blumige Sprache" (literally: floral speech). Encyclopedic style would mean
*In 19xx Rawat..."
But perhaps the entire intro sentence can be scrapped.
Jumping somewhere further down:
* In essence, in the 1970s and 1980s, the emphasis was less on message and more on experience and practice.
* There was less distinction between the message and the teachings in the 1970s and 1980s than there is now.
Is it only me, or is this a plain duplication material. And is there any secondary source for this assessment?
Conditions for the practice of Knowledge to bear fruit
::This is involuntarily funny. It's reads like an old Catholic Encyclopedia. If nobody can offer a better heading, were better off without one.
...only a very quick scan so far --Pjacobi 20:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree. This aticle needs serious NPOVing, sourcing and overall cleanup as per the AfD. One possibility would be to summarize the section at Prem Rawat: The 1970's in the main article, and use the content there as the basis, as there is already a request to split due to size of this sextion there. We can then attempt to salvage whatever material is good from this article and include that as well. ≈ jossi ≈  t • @ 20:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encyclopedic style 

message: This article is called past teachings. It is a different matter if post 2000 speeches by Rawat try to summarize his earlier teachings, though I personally distrust such speeches because that opens the door for one-sided re-interpretations and revisionisms. Andries 15:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chop away, Andries. I will come back and restore text for which I find sources. There are plety of these as you alreday know. As for post 2000, speeches, if these are pertinent to the text, they shpuld not be deleted. ≈ jossi ≈  t • @ 15:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If you want to edit, Andries, edit. But removing text and leaving unconnected pieces of text is terrible. 15:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I have deleted most of the text, with the intention of comiong back and re-add it as soon as I find cites to support the additions. There are several scholarly books that describe this period, and I will use these as references. ≈ jossi ≈  t • @ 15:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Post 2000 speeches are off-topic and should be removed

message: Jossi, I wrote that I would that I would not delete unsourced statements that I did not seriously doubt: I would only delete unsourced statements and generalizations that I found doubtful. So I think that your edit summary "(if you want to playt the game, lets play" does not assume my good faith and is inappropriate. Andries 15:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You left only these texts that support your POV even if these were unsourced. So, don't tell me to talke your edits in good faith. Now take a rest.l The article is a stub now. I will work on it over the next months. ≈ jossi ≈  t • @ 16:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your statement falsely suggest that my editing behavior and my stated intentions contradict each other: of course, I do not seriously doubt my own POV. That is why it is my POV. Andries 16:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inappropriate edit summary

message: Unless there are objections, I will merge any non-dupmaterial from this article onto Divine Light Mission in a few days. ≈ jossi ≈  t • @ 17:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge