Talk:List of Torchwood characters

message: Carys is easily more notable than Ed Morgan (who didn't appear in as much of his episode as she did in hers) and is almost as notable as Suzie (both being major roles in their episodes). Yes she isn't notable enough for an article of her own but she is easily notable enough for here. --GracieLizzie 23:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With the greatest possible respect, that's nuts. That would mean that every guest character gets their own entry, which is going to have this ending up more bloated than List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens. Get rid of Ed Morgan, by all means and get rid of Suzie too. Honestly, none of these characters warrant much more than a one-liner, or even better, a redirect/merge back to the episode article itself. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carys 

message: I don't want to put this directly into the article yet because it's speculation (but not completely unreasonable speculation) but I shall put it here to see if anyone else thinks it should be mentioned. As I said on the episode list, episode 8's title has changed to They Keep Killing Suzie and the episode description to me implies that the episode will feature Suzie, it mentions "a figure from Torchwood's past" and says "the Ressurection days are far from over". There is the possibility this is misdirection, but would they bother with that on the Press Office site? . --GracieLizzie 22:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's sufficiently spoilery that we should just stay out of it until the episode airs or there's more concrete/citable information. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the info before reading this page, and have decided to remove it again for now. If anyone else wants to reinsert the text, it was:
Spoiler warning: This section may contain details of episodes and/or events which have yet to be broadcast.
The BBC plot summary for the episode They Keep Killing Suzie speaks of "a series of brutal murders around the city...connected to a figure from Torchwood's past", indicating a return for Suzie. The summary ends with "the resurrection days are far from over", referencing her resurrection glove.Network TV Week 49, BBC Press Office
Laïka 11:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''They Keep Killing <u>Suzie</u>''

message: Anyone got a screen cap of Rhys we could use? I just think it would be nice to have a small pic of him like we have for Suzie and Lisa. --GracieLizzie 17:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A cap like this one cropped and resized 403px by 382px like Suzie's image and then included in the article using [[Image:<entername>|250px]] (again, like Suzie's) would be good. But I'd rather have it capped by a Wikipedian than taken from another site, even when they allow it, so we don't have to credit back. I'd do it myself but I didn't record Everything Changes, all I have access too is Small Worlds where there are no instances of Rhys on the screen on his own. --GracieLizzie 18:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added Andy and Rhys. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Khaos! These are great ^_^. --GracieLizzie 11:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhys picture? 

message: Would Jasmine belong in this list? PMA 20:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not any more significant than any other one-shot villain. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jasmine 

message: A definition of the word "minor" from Wiktionary - to quote that definition; "of little significance or importance." - correct me if I'm wrong, but Carys Fletcher and Estelle Cole were removed from this page because they weren't of enough signifiacne, but it is a list of minor characters, so should include them as well, logically... Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 23:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see this going two ways, but I'm thinking much longer term, because if we include them, where does it end? My judgement, admittedly, is coloured by the haphazard and unwieldy nature of the other Doctor Who list pages (monsters and aliens in particular) and I know that Torchwood isn't comparable to the 27+ seasons of creatures that Doctor Who has accumulated, but I can see this getting out of control. The question in my mind when trying to answer if a character needs a write-up here is whether or not the character has appeared (or is notable) outside of the episode they appeared in, and/or also whether or not all the pertinent information about them can already be found in that episode's article. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 00:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there are different degrees of notability. There are Characters who are only notable enough to mention in the context of the episode they appear in (e.g. Jasmine, Bernie) there are characters who aren't notable enough for a section here but demand mentioning on a main characters page (e.g. Estelle) and then there are minor characters like the one list here, and then the major characters. --GracieLizzie 00:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the cannibals? Where should they appear? --GracieLizzie 00:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lisa and Suzie are both (as khaosworks calls them) "one-shot" characters, too. Lisa's background can certainly all be seen in the "Cyberwoman" article. Come on, we're 6 episodes in, and we have four characters that are deemed notable enough by you to be on the minor list! Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 16:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that I also talked about characters notable outside the episodes they appeared in (Suzie is one, because she was hyped up in the pre-broadcast materials as noted, and is likely returning; Lisa as a Cyberwoman has a connection to Army of Ghosts and Doomsday). So your solution is to include every character? How about Lynn or Rob? Or Bernie Harries? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The ones I think should be on here are; John Tucker, Carys Fletcher, Sean "Bernie" Harries, Ed Morgan, Lizzie Lewis, Tom Flanagan, Dr. Tanizaki, Estelle Cole and Jasmine Pierce Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 16:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By what criteria? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That it is a list of minor characters, meaning that characters "of little significance or importance" should be included as well as the ones you have deemed appropriate. Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 17:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why not Lynn and Rob, or any number of background characters, like the bouncer at the club Matt was killed at, or Matt himself? You need to set down boundaries. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Minor" 

message: As the cannibals are the main villains of an episode like the sex gas or the "fairies" I think we ought to include them (collectively though i.e. a section on all the cannibals, and not separate Huw, Helen, and Evan sections) but the question is on which list? This list does contain a human villain (Suzie) but she is an individual not a group like the fairies or the Weevils, but they aren't aliens, however one could argue they are rather monstrous even if they are human. I'll add them here for now. --GracieLizzie 10:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If included, they should be in the monsters list. No one said monsters can't be human, and they certainly fulfil a traditional "monster" role. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added them to the monsters page as you suggested. My reasoning for including them is that they are a driving force behind an episode like the sex gas, fairies, or Ghost Machine - unlike Carys, Jasmine, or Ed Morgan who were involved but not the driving force themselves. --GracieLizzie 17:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cannibals  

message: Wouldn't Estelle be here? I mean... she was with Jack and everything, and does have such a complicated history. Lisa was only in for one episode, right? Yeah, she did have an episode revolve around her but Estelle did in a way too. And it's not like there isn't the room.-Babylon pride 18:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Estelle is very important to Jack's characterisation, as much as the other Jack was in terms of Jack's identity. I would definitely give her a section, we do surprisingly know quite a lot about her, we even have pictures of 17-year-old Estelle on the website.~ZytheTalk to me! 01:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estelle 

message: Some of the summaries of characters in this page are past tense and some are present. It seems the definitely deceased people are summarised in past tense and the living/unconfirmed (e.g. Diane) are in present tense, wouldn't it look better to stick to one tense? Personally I prefer past tense myself. --GracieLizzie 10:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fiction is written in the present tense ("are", not "was"), unless for example it is destroyed. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 10:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most fiction I've come across seems to be written in the past tense - "said" not "says", "sighed" not "sighs", "looked" not "looks". I am not saying we shouldn't use present tense when summarising there personalities or looks, just there actions.--GracieLizzie 10:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense 

message: "into a situation where they would have to completely open the Rift and release the deity he worships." Nowhere in the show does it suggest he 'worships' Abaddon, it may even be that he is some "projection" of Abaddon's mind, much like 'The Beast' in the crossover show Doctor Who had a projection of his mind outside his body to possess people and make projections of himself. 207.202.227.125 02:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Grim Lesbian, but since it's unsourced it can't go into the article. There are others, all with the same problem. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 20:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilis 

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replies: text: FUJ added * image restored--Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 13:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dianajohn.jpg

message: The character of Captain John has been announced and has been added to this article in order to resolve a situation  involving a merge request. 23skidoo (talk) 15:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't he be under H for Hart? --GracieLizzie (talk) 22:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Captain John

message: All the 20th Century Torchwood characters, really? No mention of actors, either?~ZytheTalk to me! 00:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too minor 

message: Doesn't anyone else think that Rhys has been in enough episodes to earn himself his own page, he has even had a episode centred around him. Leo (talk) 23:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So what? Leo Jones should not have an article anyway. Real world information is THE only requisite for character articles on Wikipedia. For example, should Rhys win "man of the year" in TIME, and then be identified as a "Welsh unsung hero" by a Cardiff newspaper, we could discuss that as "reception". Similarly, if you can track down information on the conception, creation and development of the character (for example, an interview with the actor about how he plays Rhys, an interview with the director of "Meat" about what he was trying to get across, or some nice quotes from Davies about inventing Rhys.) With Doctor Who, these tasks are relatively easy. Between podcasts, DVD commentaries, Doctor Who Magazine, Torchwood Magazine, Doctor Who Confidential, Torchwood Declassified, Radio Times, internet-based interviews and wherever else, we could include those. There are plenty of sources for diehard Whovians to get their teeth stuck into. I don't like the show quite enough to buy DWM or the box sets, though.~ZytheTalk to me! 22:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that he should have his own article. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 01:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I can't put it any better than Zythe did above - WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't sufficient reason to create an article based solely on Rhys.  Notable coverage in verifiable secondary sources and adequate critical commentary is, and while such coverage may indeed exist, none has yet been presented. Frickative (talk) 17:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

text: If there are a number of sources which discuss the character, then adding the information from them to his section on this list is a good starting point. Almost a year on from the beginning of this discussion, there is only one single citation in the Rhys section which isn't to a primary source, and that was only added today. If there does exist a wealth of information on the character, the compiling pertinent information here shouldn't be difficult. Frickative 05:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We're going to start building on Rhys' information. We have stuff from analysis (two different published sources), interviews and articles in the magazine, interviews with Kai Owen, and a few other comments from various members of the production team. Rhy' information also needs to be updated for his recent large roles in the last round of novels. --Clarrisani (talk) 05:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though it already looks as if Rhys will get his own page, I'll just say I completely agree that he should. Whoniverse93 00:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhys' Own Page 

message: Doctor Who and Torchwood tend to laugh in the face of the word "canon".  It's probably better not to mention it at all rather than pepper the articles of this encyclopedia with scary references to the fact that it isn't much respected in the spin-offs.  --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 23:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's for the sake of informing the reader and to provide real world context. How would the average casual reader whose never seen Torchwood understand the status of Doctor Who canon unless it was explicitly stated?~ZytheTalk to me! 21:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Canon

message: Should the character of 'Gray' be spelt on this and other pages with an e rather than an a as e is the british spelling and this is a british program? S-m-r-t (talk) 21:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's spelled "Gray" on the BBC pages, IIRC, and in the credits. The UK/US difference in spelling is for the colour (or color); in this case, speculation is that it's short for "Graham", which would imply "Gray". In the absence of definite information, we should go with the BBC spelling. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 21:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sound's good to me thanks for clearing that up S-m-r-t (talk) 21:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Gray' 

message: Hi
I was just wondering, if we can't have one-shot villains on this page, why is there a section for Beth Halloran? What is she if not a one-shot villain? George.millman (talk) 12:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beth Halloran 

message: Seeing as the "minor" has gone, are we to merge these characters into the main page, as is being done with a lot of other TV series?~ZytheTalk to me! 17:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Added links to all the character articles. --OZOO 19:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tosh and Owen 

message: The article states that Adam is 'dead' as all of the Torchwood team members forget him, but I believe this is not the case. While all of the Torchwood members forgot about Adam, there was one person who saw him but did not take an amnesia pill: Rhys. He met Adam when he and Jack came to Gwen's aid when Rhys 'broke into' her flat, but he was not made to forget Adam. Could it be the case that Adam survived through Rhys' memory?
NFreak007 (talk) 14:43, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost anything is "possible" in Torchwood; however we cannot say this because it would be original research unless supported by a reliable third-party source. If you can find one, fine. --Rodhullandemu 14:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Adam"'s "death" 

message: So, what is the feeling about this? The pre-existing consensus seems to be to keep the entry quite short, given that there is a main article linked. While the IP's edit warring is not correct, is there any of the text that is relevant here? Thoughts? --Ckatzchatspy 05:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Captain Jack" IP issue 

message: I've expanded Jilly's entry a bit. Since, however, she's one of the main characters in the Miracle Day arc - she gets her own video profile, for example, which Vera Juarez doesn't (the video reveals her full name) - it might be worth considering giving her a separate article depending on how things progress with her character. 68.146.71.145 (talk) 06:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Jilly Kitzinger

message: Fixed this section to say actor Matt Rippy, not John Barrowman. Remember, this section is about the Jack Harkness whose name Barrowman's character took, not Barrowman's character  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.48.78.217 (talk) 02:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Group Captain Jack Harkness

message: Do we know that his name really is Geraint?  When Gwen speaks it aloud (e.g. in her monologue at the beginning of S4E10, "The Blood Line") it sounds like /geh-right/, with no nasal. I don't know enough about Welsh names to know what the proper spelling of that might be.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  11:57, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geraint Cooper 

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