Talk:GunZ: The Duel/Archive 1

message: Added 4 sword techs and changed flash step and other misc. --Sakraycore 02:21, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There was nothing wrong with flashstep. Those are -- or were -- the official, agreed-upon existing abilities. Also, unblockables should probably be listed as a glitch, rather than a technique, because it's actually somewhat likely it will be fixed. --nothingxs 04:48, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
Flash step was actually quick slash before I changed it around(it didn't have the dash at the end, the very thing that makes it a movement technique)  --69.192.6.130 16:11, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Sword Techs Section 

message: nowhere is it mentioned on how big the program you have to download is, and i think its pretty important to know how big the program is if you are putting it in your CPU
BIG Tuna 02:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MB Size? 

message: I made a few small changes to the description of the reload shot because I've come to the conclusion that it is the shooting animation that causes the delay, which is cancelled by the reload.  This qualifies as a new cancel, but compared to the cancels already listed it currently has very few uses.  I'm not sure if it's worth adding it to the list of cancels or not.
There also appears to be some sort of cancel at the apex of a jump.  This allows one to nearly perform two butterflies in a single jump ( JUMP -> SLASH -> BLOCK -> AFTER APEX OF JUMP, DASH -> SLASH -> BLOCK ).  I haven't done much experimenting yet, so I'm not sure about the validity of mechanics.  Maybe someone here can figure out and explain the details. --Lancer2D 06:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What your saying here is true, it is a reload cancel and probably should be noted as such. The cancel at the apex of a jump is merely timing to tell the truth, using it and a "Gear Tap" you are able to perform 2 shots and 3 dashes in a jump. ( DASH -> JUMP -> SLASH(HOLD) -> SWITCH TO GUN -> SHOOT -> SWITCH TO SWORD -> DASH -> SLASH(HOLD) -> SWITCH TO GUN -> DASH -> SHOOT -> SWITCH TO SWORD ) is the moves to the above example. --Buga 05:58, 02 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The very apex of a jump is the point where there is actually no animation, like in Super-dash - it's the ending of the jump animation, and the start of the fall animation. A cancel is one technique that ends another technique quicker - the apex of a jump can't be a cancel, since you're only doing one thing.--Kawufix 20:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reload Shot and Cancelling 

message: Somebody should say something about the huge problems this game has with NAT traversal, as well as possible fixes.  I believe the problem comes from the game launcher's habit of torrenting every single time you run it.
:Add signature next time, and the torrenting has nothing to do with it. Agent Errors have been around since the beginning of Gunz (or somewhere near that), and especially before the torrented patches.--Kawufix 20:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Network Issues 

message: Can you guys vote if we can keep my technique?
Oh yeah and guys? If you get annoyed by the butterfly step or you think it is a lack of honor or you think that glitches are not supposed to be hidden? Well your wrong! Because these things are the foundation of the game! They did this to improve gameplay. If you think it's not fair, well train harder! And these things are from K-style. If you dont like it, make your own style. But these things are from people and if you think that its not fair and you think its stupid, well it doesnt matter. For me the glitches in this game are a positive, an advantage for people and you too can find advantage. That's the whole point.
:The "Advanced Butterfly Step" has no benefit whatsoever. It's even worse than the Flash Step, which only has a slight benefit. Delete it, please --Dabigkid 22:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually a Stylish Step, its not your own move, get over it. P.S. Added the Double Butterfly for enjoyment. --Buga 15:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jump » Dash » Slash » Switch to Gun » Switch to Sword » Jump » Dash » Slash » Block ----It's extremely useless. The block cancels the slash, so why would you need a switch to do so? It's by no means faster. Anyway, the move that replaced it, the double butterfly, is an actual move that has its uses. --Dabigkid 16:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There *is* an "advanced" butterfly, but it's Jump > Slash > Block > Dash > Slash > Block (which I'm editing in now). Flash step is a very useful movement technique - in the time it takes to do one dash, you can do 1.5 dashes. This is stylish step - a flash step + anything on the second dash (a block, usually). It's pretty much useless, and you can't go any faster with it.--Kawufix 16:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I know flash step is useful (trust me, I d-style and I dagger flash all the time), but when compared to light step, it isn't much different. Flash step's dashes are by no means faster than light step's. The only difference is that flash step cancels the sword slash so if you dash a little later into the jump, you can move onto another move quicker. The Wikipedia article states that, though :) --Dabigkid 06:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can spam flash step faster than light step, definitely, but I'll go fix it if it says that it makes the dashes faster than if you used light step, since it doesn't. (Dagger Flash has the same principle and basic effect as the Light Step [without the silent dash], but since the dagger stab cancels differently, you can't do flash step with it :( )--Kawufix 04:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advanced Butterfly Step 

message: It doesn't have a switch back to sword - otherwise, it wouldn't be a step.--Kawufix 16:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wind Step / Mos Step 

message: Yeah but dudes how come I downloaded GunZ in my friend's computer and I can log in and everything except it keeps on saying "Agent Error: Not Available" and it "seems" that everyone lags except me.
:Moved into a new section, and put your signature (click the button at the top, or type "--~ ~ ~ ~" without spaces or quotes). I don't know if this will work for you, but here's a set of tips:
:Q. My ping from others is always 999/I can talk with others, but I cannot see their movements/I keep getting agent errors!
:If you cannot communicate with another player, his ping will display as 999 (use TAB to see the status). If you see this problem but you are able to interact with other players, then your network is fine. But if you cannot see other players' movements, it means that there is a problem with interacting with other players. Many people call this situation "999 ping problem". Originally, GunZ supported players under NAT/Firewall/IP Sharing Router network, but unfortunately it is not the case for International Edition, because doing so requires high-end hosting servers [which IGunz currently lacks]. Currently we plan to implement the support by official release date. Until then, the users of NAT or firewalls may have problems with playing GunZ properly. If you're behind a firewall, please contact with your network administrator or ISP to resolve this problem.
:If you're using IP sharing router, however, there is a way to resolve the situation. GunZ supports port forwarding, and you can set the feature with your IP sharing router. Most IP sharing router support port forwarding (to learn how to set up Port Forwarding, please refer your router manual, or visit http://www.portforward.com). After making changes, press "option" in game and check network configuration. Enter port number from the router into the port number option box. (This tip may come in handy in improving network performance even after the support for NAT/Firewall/IP Sharing Router becomes available.)
:* Check to see if you have a firewall enabled, this may be the default Windows XP firewall or an external item like a router, if so check to see if this program or hardware allows the same port as Gunz wants to use to pass through.
:* If you do not use a router or firewall and the problem is appearing from using the modem directly, some company stocked modems feature built in firewalls (like most Microsoft cable modems do), these can only be edited by the ISP, a program they gave you or on there special website with management tools (not many have this problem though).
:* Try changing the port that Gunz uses by going into the Gunz menu by editing the number; some people have had good luck with this method for unknown reasons- if it doesn't work, maybe your PC hates ports 7700~7800.
:* If you use a router or a firewall that supports the same sort of features, make sure ports 7700~7800 are open as well as any other port you change to in the Gunz menu.
:* If your internet speed is slow, your max players per game is limited by quite a bit, some 512/128 internet users may find they're fine with 8 players, but lag to 999 for everyone if in a 16 player game.
:* Sometimes, all you need to do is re-login into the game (not waiting room, game) ** If this is your first time getting 999 pings. --Kawufix 00:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agent Error 

message: I suggest moving the information on Clan War and Quest game modes from "Planned for Release" to "Released" (with a note that they are not available in the International edition). My reasoning is that they are present in 4 versions of the game. Loephphler 01:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe change the header to "Planned for release for International Edition"?--Kawufix 02:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also TDM +Extreme is released as well, and Duel Mode and Survival are next on the list. Kawufix has a good Idea though --Buga 07:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving "Quest" and "Clan War" information. 

message: I know personally that there is at least 6 types of monsters released in the Japanese version of Gunz. There are the dagger goblins, then gun goblins, healer goblins, armored club goblins, the large "slow down" goblins, and a very small pink monster that can only be destroyed with grenades, I believe its name is pampola or something similar. 
At the moment you "can" buy some quest mode items in game. The only ones you can buy in game are 3 different scrolls/maps: one that can only be used at level if every one in your questmode game is level 13+, one if everyone is level 25+, and one if everyone is some where in the level 40 range. You also can gain some items through quest mode: 3 different types of chicken wings, skulls, dolls, and I believe meal plates/ candy canes can also be gained through questmode. All of these items change the quest mode slightly and can ONLY be used at certain levels.
Also in J-Gunz, K-gunz, and I belive In-gunz(India) you can purchase items with real money. These Items range from hats, gloves, rings, shoes, elements, melee weapons (swords/daggers/other), guns(all types), pants, and shirts. These Items cost around $5 (I think) and the process is only in that versions language.
   User:Apack|Apack]] 07:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Korean and Japanese GunZ are the only versions with premium items currently. India and Brazil GunZ will get them when they leave the beta stage. Loephphler 19:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The items range between .30cents American to $5 American, approx. Also there are many more quest monsters there Are Daggers, Guns, Metals, Healing, Shamans, Pamploa, Goblin Captain are the ones currently existing, with almost 20 more planned, the last quest page is 41. The Meal Plates and Candy Canes were Events, where you collected 20 Chicken Wings, 20 Chicken Thighs, and 20 Chicken Drumsticks, There have been many more, such as the Biker Helms, Fire elements, etc. --Buga 07:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't want Gunz Unlimited to be added - if we added every Gunz fansite and community, it would be a gigantic stack of links, like before. GunzFactor is the current "official" forum for most if not all IGunz players (ijji and international), and has a large stock of information about stuff. Short of a few things like strategy guides (which could be added to strategywiki), GunzFactor has all GunzUnlimited has, and nearly a 100x larger userbase. --Kawufix 03:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: And who exactly do you think you are?  There's no rule about how many links a user can put on a wiki page.  GunZ Factor is not the only fansite for GunZ.  There are only 2 good GunZ fansites out there, GZF and GZU.  If MAIET and ijji would only post up an updated Fansites section on to their GunZ websites, I wouldn't be doing this.  Another thing, GunZ Unlimited and GunZ Factor are two different fansites.  Don't be saying that GZF has pretty much everything that GZU has because trust me, you're wrong.  GunZ Unlimited has a lot more features than GunZ Factor.  GunZ Factor has vBulletin and that's pretty much it.  I'll have the external links blocked off if I have to because it is not fair to only have GunZ Factor on the list.  There are more fansites out there.  Let's explorer them all shall we.
--Razorblitz07 09:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm reverting the page for now. The links are for important links  - anyone can make a fansite, but it has to be significant. --Kawufix 12:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: and now you're making an ad-hominem fallacy.  GunZ Unlimited is literally the 2nd best GunZ fansite right underneath GunZ Factor.  Don't you dare say GZU isn't a "significant" enough fansite because it is and deserves its place in the external links section.  Don't be obnoxious and start deciding which fansite is the most important.  Search "Gunz the duel fansites" on google and post up the top 5 websites on to here.  --Razorblitz07 11:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Obviously GunzUnlimited is the top 5 in Google, since it has "Gunz the Duel Fansite" in the title, along with Gunz The Duel and fansite in its meta keywords. But, registered users for it is less than 600. It is not significant - GunzFactor would not be listed there last year if the comment wasn't there, when it was not active, and it was not the "official" Gunz forum, like it is now. --Kawufix 16:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: GZU is on 582 buddy.  Say that we're under 600 tomorrow and you'll be wrong.  By next year, GZU will be be at the top competing strongly against GZF.  A lot of people go for GZU.  Don't think that everyone likes GZF.  A lot of people are coming over to GZU because GZU offers more help and respect than GZF and there's less spam and advertisement.  Think strongly about which fansites are the most "significant" because you will regret yourself in the next few months. --Razorblitz07 9:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: 1. I'm right. 2. I doubt it. 3. Not really. 4. True, but they don't go to GZU. 5. Same as official forums - you're probably not going to get help on GZF, since the majority of people are idiots. But, if GZU grows, it'll become the same. 6. GZF is a significant website - MAIET puts all of their announcements on there, and Ijji puts a few. They have their own guides (although outdated) which are useful and specific. There are 22,388 active members and 204 active users browsing GZF today. However, GZU is not supported by MAIET, does not have any significant guides not found elsewhere, and there is 1 non-registered user on the site as of right now, which is probably me. I'm removing the link again, unless you can say why the link is important right now, not in a year. --Kawufix 16:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: ahem, GZF only has MAIET's attention because they were the first fansite made for GunZ that actually had guides.  ijji follows up as well.  I make sure that GZU doesn't follow up on GZF and so I make sure my staff is well prepared for incomming members.  If only MAIET had the time to poast up GZU on to their website, GZU would be famous but no.  Ijji hasn't even posted up a faasite section for their GunZ site either.  Ok, why is GZU significant?  As the webmaster, I am very active in the forums unlike Citizen of GunZ Factor.  I update the guides as much as I can.  We have underbanners that members can use.  We also have the background music that is played on GunZ on our site.  GZU has a lot of things that GZF doesn't have.  What you are trying to say, in my opinion, is that GunZ Factor rules all and that it is the best.  That is far from true.  GunZ Factor has 3 things that makes it "the best": vBulletin forums, MAIET, and ijji.  That's it.  Besides that, they are not that good.  Ok, and they have a lot more media that GZU has but trust me, I'm gettin there.  Don't start sayin that GunZ Unlimited is not important because it is.  I respect all GunZ Fansites.  What you are doing is discriminating.  Do I think GunZ Factor should be posted up?  Absolutely.  I highly respect GZF but I also want my website to have some pride too.  Case closed. --Razorblitz07 8:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Not really. Many fansites were made before GunzFactor, and nearly all of them had guides. The reason why GZF became popular was because quite a few people already knew about it, so they posted there instead when the official forums went down. It just happened that because of the influx of problems and errors that came with new patches, GunzFactor also had many fixes and downloads for these, or at least linked to them. The owner of a fansite doesn't make it significant, but the content, and in forums, the users. If you applied what you said to anything else, you could say that the entire Gunz community is insignificant without Guntrix, which is obviously not so. Signature banners, background music, and well-updated guides don't make for a better fansite. I'm not saying that GZF is the best, but it is definitely significant. Before GZF had vBulletin forums, they still had quite a large fanbase, although they updated because Lil Chris decided to brute force Citizen's account. MAIET and ijji making their announcements there is probably the most important part - you could ignore every guide, detail or even community, and it'd still be there since it's important to Gunz. --Kawufix 21:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: i'm not going to argue anymore as there is no point.  I have explored every single GunZ fansite on google and on gunzonline and I can say that none of them have any good guides.  Every guide that any GunZ fansite could have comes from GunZ Factor.  No GunZ fansite has their own guide...actually I've seen a few that have their own guides and are pretty impressive but nevertheless GunZ Unlimited has its own guides and features and has gone from free webhoting to professional, making it one of the best.  You obviously have no knowledge on what makes a website significant.  A fansite is significant if it has everything a person would want in a game.  Both GunZ Factor and GunZ Unlimited has that.  GZU has some features that GZF doesn't have and vice versa.  Exactly, how much experience do you have in being a webmaster?  Citizen and I both have solid webmaster experience and we both know what makes a good website.  My site is at the top, period...right underneath GunZ Factor.  Yes, I've seen a few sites that were made before GZF but they were not that good.  If you want to continue blabbering out what you think is factual, then feel free to do so.  I disagree with what you are saying and I am pretty sure many others do too.  You do not decide what fansite is important or not.  Don't try to persuade everyone to go on GunZ Factor.  I want to post up GZU because it is a very important fansite in the GunZ Community and you are intervening that.  --razorblitz07 3:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Significant means important to the game. Without GunzFactor, simply, the Gunz community and Gunz itself would probably not exist like it does today. --Kawufix 20:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't know why I want to keep on arguing becuase it is poitnless to argue with a person like yourself.  Yes, GunZ Factor is significant, however, don't be saying that GunZ Unlimited isn't either.  Like I said MAIET and ijji posting on the GZF Forums is the only reason why GZF is popular.  If GZF didn't exist, GZU would be in its place.  What you are doing is discriminating against GZU.  It is unfair how you only post up GZF when are other GunZ fansites out there.  GZF doesn't have everything.  There may be a fansite out there that has information GZF doesn't yet have.  I will report you for doing this.  As many people know, wikipedia is the main source of information and that is where my site first got popular and you are destroying that.  WHo do you think you are, anyway?  You have no right to intervene in the promotion of GunZ fansites.  You are only doing it for GZF, which is not fair at all.  --razorblitz07 2:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: GunzFactor was popular before MAIET and ijji went there, and yes, it is one of the primary reasons why it's important. If GZF weren't there, GZU would be in its place, but that is insignificant, since GZF is there - it is also no guarantee that GZU would be in its place, as if it were not there, MAIET may have actually tried to put up the official forums. I only post up GZF because other fansites are non-important, since they are NOT essential to the current state of Gunz. Does any site really have any *important* information that GZF doesn't have? Even GZU took stuff from them, and trying to surpass them, they made completely useless guides. Why report? I haven't broken any Wikipedia rules, and I've only tried to be blunt, but not insulting. Wikipedia is not for the promotion of websites, and I'm not promoting GZF. (as a note, I do not regularly post or even browse GZF.) --Kawufix 02:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The only problem is, the majority of Gunz fansite-browsing community is in GZF. The majority of official forum idiots joined, which is a result of too many people. For the usefulness of guides part: "What is 'Gunz'?" is copy/paste, "The Basics" is but normal Gunz tactics, "Tutorial" is self-explanatory stuff and copy/paste from wiki, "Game Tactics" only covers game modes (and has some irrelevant/incorrect information), "Keyboard Controls" is copy/paste from website, "Alt Codes" is copy paste from [], "Multi-Line Macros" just shows an annoying bug in Gunz, "Weapons" are copy/paste from GZF and is incorrect in many parts, "Clothes"/"Items" may not be copy/paste but GZF has the same information, "Maps" is only really useful for the list of maps, since the information is inaccurate, "Vocabulary" may be the only useful page on the site, but it has a lot of false information as well, "Quest Mode" has self-explanatory information and is not very useful, "General Gameplay Questions" is incorrect, "Experience Statistics" is obvious copy/paste of GZF, "Aiming" is reworded copy/paste of GZF, "Aiming 2" is useless guide (practice on random stuff), and "Hacks & Glitches"'s hack part is incomplete and the glitches part is covered by the wiki. The claim that the guides expand or try not to copy GZF is false. Although there is some useful information, all of the incorrect information makes it useless too. And yes, I've been refuting what you're saying, since I don't think GZU belongs on the link page. --Kawufix 23:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, I'm going into this a few days late but I just wanted to add my few cents. In response to Razorblitz07: You say that he's "only thinking about himself," but all you're trying to do is promote your site! Stop being dense and start realizing that your site is not signifigant enough to be put on the Wikipedia. Barely anyone visits your site. I'm looking at it right now and it has only 3 threads posted in for the entire day so far. Also, I back Kawufix up by saying that all of the information on that website will never replace GunZFactor, seeing as all of it can be found somewhere on GunZFactor, and most of your "advice" is arguably bad. --Dabigkid 19:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: This argument isn't about if GunzUnlimited is better than GunzFactor or not, but if GunzUnlimited is actually significant. 1. So? It doesn't make it less significant. 2. Not really. 3. I just went through all of them. 4. Registered Members: 702. If our arguments have so many fallacies, prove 'em wrong with facts. GunzFactor won't fall down simply because of a few guides. It's where Ijji and MAIET post frequently and where most Gunz players go to discuss the game, so the guides are completely insignificant to the site's current status - if they were removed, new players might have a harder time, but it won't completely wipe out their fanbase, or even significantly alter it. What advantages does your site have over GunzFactor, or better yet, what makes it mentionable? All of my arguments thus far have been backed up by facts. --Kawufix 04:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If anything, your argument is fallacious because you're arguing from a biased viewpoint, Razor. Every time you say something about your site being better than GunZFactor I just keep getting the feeling you're trying to promote your website. And when it boils down to it, you are. --Dabigkid 05:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If people want information about Quest Mode and Premium Items, they go to GunzFactor to get it, because they have stickied guides on their forums for most things. If they posted every guide on every thread in their forums onto the front page of their site, they'd have quite a gigantic sidebar, and it'd be harder to discuss the guides or improve them. As I said before, the guides on GunzUnlimited, even if they are better, do NOT make the site more significant. GunzUnlimited hasn't had a large impact on the Gunz community and game, and it isn't significant to it. GunzUnlimited's advantages over GunzFactor are that it may have slightly better guides or more guides on stuff, but it's overshadowed by the fact that much of the information is incorrect.   --Kawufix 16:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If you still want to continue the debate, I'll say that it doesn't matter how "disorganized" everything is; either way, your forums are similar to GunzFactor's, as many sections are for exactly the same purpose. --Kawufix 20:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't capitalize the beginning of every word, since it makes it hard to read. There are definitely more than two sites dedicated to Gunz; GunzUnlimited would not be recognized as an official site for Gunz (maybe a "official" fansite or something though), since it's not really connected to any of MAIET. (please clarify on the rest, i don't know what you mean.) --Kawufix 19:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Serioulsy, razorblitz, just stop talking. all youre doing is promoting your site, which i dont think is all that great, since as of right now, the entire website is down and it doesnt even exist. even if youre gonna fix the site and put it back up, it STILL shows the unreliability of your site. the point is, your site is too small to put on wikipedia. if wikipedia put sites like yours on there, the list would be jam packed with homemade sites all out there. instead, stick with the major one (sponsored by MAIET and ijji as well) that will help people the most. GzF wouldnt have the server problems you do, or not as much at least, since it has donators to pay for it. also, the larger fanbase means faster replies, faster discussions, more guides. who wants to wait for what, the 2 days it takes to get a thread reply on a small site like yours? --71.133.43.157 22:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Add signature next time (click the button). GunzFactor should be added to the link-set - after all, it's basically the official forum now, since they haven't bothered to fix the real forum. --Kawufix 14:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I Agree. they also have a "GunZ-peida" - here. --Cheklevara 06:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been around for a lot longer - that's pretty recent. It needs a bunch of cleanup in almost every article, but I can't be bothered to. x_x --Kawufix 20:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there should be a www.gunzfactor.com/wiki. It is a wikipedia of gunz. --KangKnight 12:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ^....what? --Kawufix 21:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Alright, adding it now. --Kawufix 19:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quest mode monsters, questmode items, and premium items. 

message: My name is razorblitz07 and I propose adding my GunZ: The Duel fansite to the external links section.  GunZ Factor may be the largest fansite for GunZ: The Duel but it isn't the only fansite.  Don't be so obnoxious about one fansite.  Let others post their hand-made fansites.  Here's my GunZ Fansite.  Please do not delete it!
Razorblitz07, Site Webmaster of
GunZ Unlimited- A GunZ: The Duel Fansite
:I don't want Gunz Unlimited to be added - if we added every Gunz fansite and community, it would be a gigantic stack of links, like before. GunzFactor is the current "official" forum for most if not all IGunz players (ijji and international), and has a large stock of information about stuff. Short of a few things like strategy guides (which could be added to strategywiki), GunzFactor has all GunzUnlimited has, and nearly a 100x larger userbase. --Kawufix 03:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And who exactly do you think you are?  There's no rule about how many links a user can put on a wiki page.  GunZ Factor is not the only fansite for GunZ.  There are only 2 good GunZ fansites out there, GZF and GZU.  If MAIET and ijji would only post up an updated Fansites section on to their GunZ websites, I wouldn't be doing this.  Another thing, GunZ Unlimited and GunZ Factor are two different fansites.  Don't be saying that GZF has pretty much everything that GZU has because trust me, you're wrong.  GunZ Unlimited has a lot more features than GunZ Factor.  GunZ Factor has vBulletin and that's pretty much it.  I'll have the external links blocked off if I have to because it is not fair to only have GunZ Factor on the list.  There are more fansites out there.  Let's explorer them all shall we.
--Razorblitz07 09:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm reverting the page for now. The links are for important links  - anyone can make a fansite, but it has to be significant. --Kawufix 12:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: and now you're making an ad-hominem fallacy.  GunZ Unlimited is literally the 2nd best GunZ fansite right underneath GunZ Factor.  Don't you dare say GZU isn't a "significant" enough fansite because it is and deserves its place in the external links section.  Don't be obnoxious and start deciding which fansite is the most important.  Search "Gunz the duel fansites" on google and post up the top 5 websites on to here.  --Razorblitz07 11:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Obviously GunzUnlimited is the top 5 in Google, since it has "Gunz the Duel Fansite" in the title, along with Gunz The Duel and fansite in its meta keywords. But, registered users for it is less than 600. It is not significant - GunzFactor would not be listed there last year if the comment wasn't there, when it was not active, and it was not the "official" Gunz forum, like it is now. --Kawufix 16:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: GZU is on 582 buddy.  Say that we're under 600 tomorrow and you'll be wrong.  By next year, GZU will be be at the top competing strongly against GZF.  A lot of people go for GZU.  Don't think that everyone likes GZF.  A lot of people are coming over to GZU because GZU offers more help and respect than GZF and there's less spam and advertisement.  Think strongly about which fansites are the most "significant" because you will regret yourself in the next few months. --Razorblitz07 9:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: 1. I'm right. 2. I doubt it. 3. Not really. 4. True, but they don't go to GZU. 5. Same as official forums - you're probably not going to get help on GZF, since the majority of people are idiots. But, if GZU grows, it'll become the same. 6. GZF is a significant website - MAIET puts all of their announcements on there, and Ijji puts a few. They have their own guides (although outdated) which are useful and specific. There are 22,388 active members and 204 active users browsing GZF today. However, GZU is not supported by MAIET, does not have any significant guides not found elsewhere, and there is 1 non-registered user on the site as of right now, which is probably me. I'm removing the link again, unless you can say why the link is important right now, not in a year. --Kawufix 16:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: ahem, GZF only has MAIET's attention because they were the first fansite made for GunZ that actually had guides.  ijji follows up as well.  I make sure that GZU doesn't follow up on GZF and so I make sure my staff is well prepared for incomming members.  If only MAIET had the time to poast up GZU on to their website, GZU would be famous but no.  Ijji hasn't even posted up a faasite section for their GunZ site either.  Ok, why is GZU significant?  As the webmaster, I am very active in the forums unlike Citizen of GunZ Factor.  I update the guides as much as I can.  We have underbanners that members can use.  We also have the background music that is played on GunZ on our site.  GZU has a lot of things that GZF doesn't have.  What you are trying to say, in my opinion, is that GunZ Factor rules all and that it is the best.  That is far from true.  GunZ Factor has 3 things that makes it "the best": vBulletin forums, MAIET, and ijji.  That's it.  Besides that, they are not that good.  Ok, and they have a lot more media that GZU has but trust me, I'm gettin there.  Don't start sayin that GunZ Unlimited is not important because it is.  I respect all GunZ Fansites.  What you are doing is discriminating.  Do I think GunZ Factor should be posted up?  Absolutely.  I highly respect GZF but I also want my website to have some pride too.  Case closed. --Razorblitz07 8:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Not really. Many fansites were made before GunzFactor, and nearly all of them had guides. The reason why GZF became popular was because quite a few people already knew about it, so they posted there instead when the official forums went down. It just happened that because of the influx of problems and errors that came with new patches, GunzFactor also had many fixes and downloads for these, or at least linked to them. The owner of a fansite doesn't make it significant, but the content, and in forums, the users. If you applied what you said to anything else, you could say that the entire Gunz community is insignificant without Guntrix, which is obviously not so. Signature banners, background music, and well-updated guides don't make for a better fansite. I'm not saying that GZF is the best, but it is definitely significant. Before GZF had vBulletin forums, they still had quite a large fanbase, although they updated because Lil Chris decided to brute force Citizen's account. MAIET and ijji making their announcements there is probably the most important part - you could ignore every guide, detail or even community, and it'd still be there since it's important to Gunz. --Kawufix 21:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: i'm not going to argue anymore as there is no point.  I have explored every single GunZ fansite on google and on gunzonline and I can say that none of them have any good guides.  Every guide that any GunZ fansite could have comes from GunZ Factor.  No GunZ fansite has their own guide...actually I've seen a few that have their own guides and are pretty impressive but nevertheless GunZ Unlimited has its own guides and features and has gone from free webhoting to professional, making it one of the best.  You obviously have no knowledge on what makes a website significant.  A fansite is significant if it has everything a person would want in a game.  Both GunZ Factor and GunZ Unlimited has that.  GZU has some features that GZF doesn't have and vice versa.  Exactly, how much experience do you have in being a webmaster?  Citizen and I both have solid webmaster experience and we both know what makes a good website.  My site is at the top, period...right underneath GunZ Factor.  Yes, I've seen a few sites that were made before GZF but they were not that good.  If you want to continue blabbering out what you think is factual, then feel free to do so.  I disagree with what you are saying and I am pretty sure many others do too.  You do not decide what fansite is important or not.  Don't try to persuade everyone to go on GunZ Factor.  I want to post up GZU because it is a very important fansite in the GunZ Community and you are intervening that.  --razorblitz07 3:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Significant means important to the game. Without GunzFactor, simply, the Gunz community and Gunz itself would probably not exist like it does today. --Kawufix 20:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't know why I want to keep on arguing becuase it is poitnless to argue with a person like yourself.  Yes, GunZ Factor is significant, however, don't be saying that GunZ Unlimited isn't either.  Like I said MAIET and ijji posting on the GZF Forums is the only reason why GZF is popular.  If GZF didn't exist, GZU would be in its place.  What you are doing is discriminating against GZU.  It is unfair how you only post up GZF when are other GunZ fansites out there.  GZF doesn't have everything.  There may be a fansite out there that has information GZF doesn't yet have.  I will report you for doing this.  As many people know, wikipedia is the main source of information and that is where my site first got popular and you are destroying that.  WHo do you think you are, anyway?  You have no right to intervene in the promotion of GunZ fansites.  You are only doing it for GZF, which is not fair at all.  --razorblitz07 2:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: GunzFactor was popular before MAIET and ijji went there, and yes, it is one of the primary reasons why it's important. If GZF weren't there, GZU would be in its place, but that is insignificant, since GZF is there - it is also no guarantee that GZU would be in its place, as if it were not there, MAIET may have actually tried to put up the official forums. I only post up GZF because other fansites are non-important, since they are NOT essential to the current state of Gunz. Does any site really have any *important* information that GZF doesn't have? Even GZU took stuff from them, and trying to surpass them, they made completely useless guides. Why report? I haven't broken any Wikipedia rules, and I've only tried to be blunt, but not insulting. Wikipedia is not for the promotion of websites, and I'm not promoting GZF. (as a note, I do not regularly post or even browse GZF.) --Kawufix 02:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The only problem is, the majority of Gunz fansite-browsing community is in GZF. The majority of official forum idiots joined, which is a result of too many people. For the usefulness of guides part: "What is 'Gunz'?" is copy/paste, "The Basics" is but normal Gunz tactics, "Tutorial" is self-explanatory stuff and copy/paste from wiki, "Game Tactics" only covers game modes (and has some irrelevant/incorrect information), "Keyboard Controls" is copy/paste from website, "Alt Codes" is copy paste from [], "Multi-Line Macros" just shows an annoying bug in Gunz, "Weapons" are copy/paste from GZF and is incorrect in many parts, "Clothes"/"Items" may not be copy/paste but GZF has the same information, "Maps" is only really useful for the list of maps, since the information is inaccurate, "Vocabulary" may be the only useful page on the site, but it has a lot of false information as well, "Quest Mode" has self-explanatory information and is not very useful, "General Gameplay Questions" is incorrect, "Experience Statistics" is obvious copy/paste of GZF, "Aiming" is reworded copy/paste of GZF, "Aiming 2" is useless guide (practice on random stuff), and "Hacks & Glitches"'s hack part is incomplete and the glitches part is covered by the wiki. The claim that the guides expand or try not to copy GZF is false. Although there is some useful information, all of the incorrect information makes it useless too. And yes, I've been refuting what you're saying, since I don't think GZU belongs on the link page. --Kawufix 23:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, I'm going into this a few days late but I just wanted to add my few cents. In response to Razorblitz07: You say that he's "only thinking about himself," but all you're trying to do is promote your site! Stop being dense and start realizing that your site is not signifigant enough to be put on the Wikipedia. Barely anyone visits your site. I'm looking at it right now and it has only 3 threads posted in for the entire day so far. Also, I back Kawufix up by saying that all of the information on that website will never replace GunZFactor, seeing as all of it can be found somewhere on GunZFactor, and most of your "advice" is arguably bad. --Dabigkid 19:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: This argument isn't about if GunzUnlimited is better than GunzFactor or not, but if GunzUnlimited is actually significant. 1. So? It doesn't make it less significant. 2. Not really. 3. I just went through all of them. 4. Registered Members: 702. If our arguments have so many fallacies, prove 'em wrong with facts. GunzFactor won't fall down simply because of a few guides. It's where Ijji and MAIET post frequently and where most Gunz players go to discuss the game, so the guides are completely insignificant to the site's current status - if they were removed, new players might have a harder time, but it won't completely wipe out their fanbase, or even significantly alter it. What advantages does your site have over GunzFactor, or better yet, what makes it mentionable? All of my arguments thus far have been backed up by facts. --Kawufix 04:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If anything, your argument is fallacious because you're arguing from a biased viewpoint, Razor. Every time you say something about your site being better than GunZFactor I just keep getting the feeling you're trying to promote your website. And when it boils down to it, you are. --Dabigkid 05:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If people want information about Quest Mode and Premium Items, they go to GunzFactor to get it, because they have stickied guides on their forums for most things. If they posted every guide on every thread in their forums onto the front page of their site, they'd have quite a gigantic sidebar, and it'd be harder to discuss the guides or improve them. As I said before, the guides on GunzUnlimited, even if they are better, do NOT make the site more significant. GunzUnlimited hasn't had a large impact on the Gunz community and game, and it isn't significant to it. GunzUnlimited's advantages over GunzFactor are that it may have slightly better guides or more guides on stuff, but it's overshadowed by the fact that much of the information is incorrect.   --Kawufix 16:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If you still want to continue the debate, I'll say that it doesn't matter how "disorganized" everything is; either way, your forums are similar to GunzFactor's, as many sections are for exactly the same purpose. --Kawufix 20:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't capitalize the beginning of every word, since it makes it hard to read. There are definitely more than two sites dedicated to Gunz; GunzUnlimited would not be recognized as an official site for Gunz (maybe a "official" fansite or something though), since it's not really connected to any of MAIET. (please clarify on the rest, i don't know what you mean.) --Kawufix 19:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Serioulsy, razorblitz, just stop talking. all youre doing is promoting your site, which i dont think is all that great, since as of right now, the entire website is down and it doesnt even exist. even if youre gonna fix the site and put it back up, it STILL shows the unreliability of your site. the point is, your site is too small to put on wikipedia. if wikipedia put sites like yours on there, the list would be jam packed with homemade sites all out there. instead, stick with the major one (sponsored by MAIET and ijji as well) that will help people the most. GzF wouldnt have the server problems you do, or not as much at least, since it has donators to pay for it. also, the larger fanbase means faster replies, faster discussions, more guides. who wants to wait for what, the 2 days it takes to get a thread reply on a small site like yours? --71.133.43.157 22:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GunzUnlimited

message: It's seems they must be verified here first. I propose adding http://www.gunzfactor.com/ to the article. It is currently the largest GunZ fansite and holds a lot of information about the game.
:Add signature next time (click the button). GunzFactor should be added to the link-set - after all, it's basically the official forum now, since they haven't bothered to fix the real forum. --Kawufix 14:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I Agree. they also have a "GunZ-peida" - here. --Cheklevara 06:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been around for a lot longer - that's pretty recent. It needs a bunch of cleanup in almost every article, but I can't be bothered to. x_x --Kawufix 20:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there should be a www.gunzfactor.com/wiki. It is a wikipedia of gunz. --KangKnight 12:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ^....what? --Kawufix 21:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Alright, adding it now. --Kawufix 19:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GunzFactor

message: Shouldn't we list how to change the way to make smoke-gernades' effect dissapeer? [11 yr old who doesn't know how to edit in wikipedia.]
:Add signature (click the signature button) next time. You probably shouldn't add it in though - it might be self-explanatory (or something like an exploit), like how the smoke behind a rocket disappears when you set effects to low. --Kawufix 19:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Graphic Changes

message: In tight spaces like parts of the alley in town or hallways in mansion, you can do a wall jump from wall to wall infinitely. It's old, but it hasn't been added here yet, and wall climbing is nearly never called Infinite Wall Jump. Add it as a new technique? --Kawufix 01:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infinite Wall Jump?