Talk:Daisuke Matsuzaka

message: Dcyprian 00:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be more than appropriate, but even cool, if you would upload some a good quality picture of yours. When you upload it, you have a couple options.  One is to release it into the public domain, which means you relinquish all rights to it. Another is to license it under something like GFDL or Creative Commons license. If you have further questions, you can ask on my talk page.  --C S (Talk) 01:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Edited the info about the gyroball based on an article on Yahoo. --Xenod 02:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gyroball

message: Isn't it inappropriate to say what the nickname of his wife is based upon one article from "The Track", which is strictly a gossip column and not based on fact whatsoever?  I have yet to see a single mention of the nickname "Rockets" from anywhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Changer591 (talk • contribs) 
*Although I sourced the item (since the reason cited for its removal was lack of sourcing) I don't really have a problem with removing it. "The Track" is a gossip column but it is published in a large-market paper and I don't think there's any evidence they just make stuff up (as opposed to saying, "Rumor says....", but the colmun doesn't say it's rumored that her nickname is Rockets). But we should probably just leave out the nickname here and have sourcing debates on her article if she's notable enough to keep one. - PhilipR 17:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If it's notable (i.e. if she's notable), put it in her article. - PhilipR 02:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rockets" 

message: I would take it out, but the article is protected. End of first paragraph is the offending sentence. St. Liebowitz 06:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see vandalism in the current article. Am I missing something? C. Scott Ananian 15:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected Vandalism

message: Any time you try to render one language in another language, it's going to imprecise, so trying to come up with the single "correct" pronunciation in this article is like tilting at windmills. Check out Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2006 (search Daisuke) where possible Japanists appear to be arguing about pronunciation. The International Phonetic Alphabet exists to keep us from having to render one language in another, but of course no one knows how to read IPA so it's still useful to provide an English approximation. But which approximation? Can there be one "correct" one?
Years ago I took a Japanese class; my best guess is that it's between "DYE-su-keh" and "DICE-keh" but closer to the latter.        I'm at least 99% sure the last syllable is closer to keh than kay. Native speakers of the language or other knowledgeable people could certainly correct me and I'd have to take their opinion as authoritative. But just because the Sox spell it one way, Yahoo! does a different way, the Globe a third, etc. doesn't mean any of them is wrong. Updating from one source or another doesn't get us closer to a "correct" pronunciation because it's in the eye of the beholder, so changing the pronunciation back and forth is time-consuming and fruitless. Regards,  PhilipR 03:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I think leaving both (after the IPA) is the best solution. My original phrasing, "somewhat between", got reverted out many moons ago because someone had found the One Official Pronunciation, probably from the Sox or somewhere, then someone else took the pronunciation out entirely, and round and round we go. Also the surname used to be in there as Ma-TSU-za-ka, but that's gone now. Regards, PhilipR 17:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that if we take time to dig in the edit history we could possibly find that One Official Pronounciation? Vic226(chat) 17:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonono.... I'm saying the One Official Pronunciation doesn't really exist because Japanese can't be rendered perfectly in English phonology. If it's consensus I'll add back in "somewhat between" but I want to reach consensensus (or better still, document it) to avoid constant reversions. Cheers, PhilipR 18:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Is it reasonable to write something like, "Boston area fans pronounce his name 'DICE-kay Ma-tsu-ZA-kah', although this is not a faithful pronunciation of his Japanese name."? Perhaps even, "...pronunciation of his Japanese name, which is closer to 'DYE-suh-keh Ma-TSU-za-kah'"? Rather than provide no pronunciation guide, we can explain the variants which are being used, and perhaps link to an article which gives more insight into Japanese phonology? Also, for the record, I think the surname pronunciation should be re-added regardless. C. Scott Ananian 19:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about if we include the IPA and one or two good English approximations ("roughly DICE-keh Ma-TSU-za-ka"), and add an expansion on pronunciation in the Boston media/among fans as a footnote? I think the Boston pronunciation is interesting but the pronunciation is beginning to drown out the rest of the lead. (BTW, I can see why people would think the IPA is unimportant but if you check Special:Whatlinkshere/International Phonetic Alphabet it's pretty much the WP standard to render pronunciations, for reasons of precision like we're seeing here.) Cheers, PhilipR 19:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe add a section on 'pronunciation' and just say "see below for pronunciation" in the lead? C. Scott Ananian 21:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I like the idea of showing the two pronunciations (i.e. somewhere between "Dice-keh" and "DYE-suh-keh"), although I shudder at the thought of letting Bostonians mispronunciation Japanese become the standard American pronunciation. Frogsurfer 21:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That's a good point. After looking at all this discussion, my belief is that we should just omit that stuff and just stick with the IPA. If people are really curious on how to pronounce "Daisuke", they can learn it elsewhere.  --C S (Talk) 19:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this article would make perfect use of uploading an .ogg file with a Japanese speaker clearly pronouncing the "authentic" way his name is said. See the Ségolène Royal article for an example of how to upload and how to place the little speaker icon in the intro. Riphamilton 05:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  I do not like the omission of the u syllable because it's just false IMO, but Chan-Ho's proposal just to omit the pronunciation guide is the best idea yet. Few English speakering readers are going to change their ways anyhow, so it serves no purpose, especially when it is part of the lede. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.188.131.148 (talk) 01:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Daisuke 

message: Shouldn't we leave that blank (or at least open-ended) until he actually plays in a regular-season game? Zipster 13:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 2007 Debut? 

message: Though this is not necessarrily related to Matsuzaka, I think it should be noted that at the end of the 7th inning of the semi-final, Matsuzaka's Yokohama High School was losing by a score of 0-6, and then won the game by scoring 7 runs in the last two innings. (For the detailed description and box score of the game, see the Japanese article.) The quarter-final's 17-inning game, the semi-final's come-from-behind victory, and the final's no-hitter -- these three games are viewed by the Japanese as a miraculous trilogy, and the 1998 Summer Koshien as a competition for the sake of Matsuzaka. (In addition, in that same year, Yokohama HS also won the Spring Koshien.) I regret that I'm not so good at English as to be able to edit the article myself, and I hope my English is not incomprehensible. HelloManiac 04:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The semi-final of the 1998 Summer Koshien 

message: I noticed that in the recent edits by User: KakkoiiNY s/he has insisted on including remarks that Matsuzaka has some control issues in some outings and a rather defensive excuse that it may be due to baseball size differences. These remarks should not be included for a couple reasons. First, what pitcher doesn't have some control issues in spring training? This is about as notable as mentioning that the Yankees did not play in tip top form during spring. Gee, amazing.  Matsuzaka did fairly well, even under media pressure.  What more needs to be mentioned?  
Additionally, the size excuse is not justified. The source cited actually mentions the difference in baseball sizes in order to state that Matsuzaka should do even better with the larger MLB balls. Using this to justify a statement that his control is suffering because of different size is not only speculation but twisting the intent of the source to say something completely different. I notice someone else removed this comment for a similar "unsupported by source" reason. So he had control issues.  Like I said, who doesn't? Do we need to make up excuses for it now and put it into Wikipedia?  --C S (Talk) 18:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, I think the current short paragraph on his problems with gripping the American baseball just seems defensive, as if Matsuzaka is making excuses, where none are really needed. I didn't watch the press conferences, so I don't know, but I would think he has enough pride that he wouldn't attribute his mistakes to this kind of thing. My feeling is that we aren't doing him any favors mentioning this kind of thing so prominently (especially if he was just making a side remark to some question), but perhaps I am alone in this.  --C S (Talk) 22:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent defensive remarks about baseball size and control 

message: The gyroball is not a fake pitch, but a deceptive pitch.  (See Gyroball).  The Wikipedia post has a good explanation, but to make it short:
The gyroball was developed by a Japanese scientist and baseball coach in 1995. When the ball is pitched, it spins like a bullet, projecting the red dot that hitters see normally only in breaking pitches (sliders, curveballs, etc.).  However the pitch does not break, it just travels straight, which will most likely disrupts the hitters timing.
Duel Master101 06:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gyroball 

message: Some editors continue inserting statements (over other editors' deletions) bout the fictional characters representing Matsuzaka in video games. I would argue these should be permanently deleted on these bases:
1. Relevance of this info is highly questionable, considering this is intended to be a serious biography of one of Japan's most important sports figures.
2. The text gives commercial promotion to the 2 products (they could be referred to anonymously), which is contra to Wiki's aims.
3. Equally importantly, there is no citation whatsoever about the 'fake' characters who represent Matsuzaka. This appears to be opinion.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KakkoiiNY (talk • contribs) 
: I see this trivia has been removed, but let me make these remarks anyway.  #2 is, I"m afraid, not a good reason.  If the material is suitable for inclusion, giving more precise details (as to what video game it is) is perfectly acceptable and within the norm (for example it would be needed for verifiability).  It should be noted that well-written articles (such as those reaching featured article status) are generally supposed to not have such trivia sections; any relevant info is to eventually be incorporated into the main body.  With most of the other info in the trivia section, one can see how it would appear in an in-depth article.  So #1 is a good point.  #3 is even better yet.  Regarding #3, the Andrew Dice-K nickname is not sourced and I admit to being skeptical of it; would a sportscaster really call him that more than once?  --C S (Talk) 23:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video game characters said to represent Matsuzaka 

message: corrected previous red sox rookie SO record breaking to #156 (155 was prior record) updated total SO to 186  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcforge (talk • contribs) 17:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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