Talk:Kolach (cake)

message: As a Czech, I remind you that the word "koláč" simply means "cake" in Czech and I assume also other Slavic languages. "Koláčky" or "kolaczky" or whatever would be small cakes. The page seems to specifically refer to Czech styled cakes which I know are popular in United States especially in areas of Czech settlement (Texas and Chicago) and unless cakes from other countries resemble them it is meaningless and confusing to put that terminology here or merge into the same article.
:But... the problem is that there are numerous, sundry, and geographically dispersed folks who use the term "kolache" for a little piggie in a blankie, i.e. a wiener sandwich. I try to hide my great displeasure when I hear their error long enough to explain that the term is used for a (much yummier) Czech pastry, but to no avail. Most of them are older than me and they are confirmed kolache wiener-eaters. It is futile. So this article is going to play hide the wiener for decades to come. Czech please. I like to saw logs! (talk) 07:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As a real Czech, I would correct little bit the above statement that "koláč" means "cake" – it doesn't at all, "cake" (in meaning of e.g. a birthday cake) is "dort" in Czech and "koláč" is simply "pie" in English. And it always has a sweet filling (marmelade, jam, sweet cottage cheese, or fruits etc.) if a different one is not explicitly mentioned.109.81.212.229 (talk) 01:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion 

message: - I'm of Polish heritage through my maternal grandmother, and the home-made kolaczky that she, my mother, and my aunts make is a lot smaller than the one described on the page, less like a bread roll and more cookie-like in size and density, with only two opposing corners folded in, producing a kind of hexagonal diamond shape with the filling coming out the open sides. This morning at breakfast in one of the dining halls at Ohio University, one of the items in the buffet was an odd-looking, large, flaky pastry that turned out to have a sausage patty in the middle, and the flavor of its dough, although much flakier, reminded me strongly of that of the kolaczkies I've described; after a little research which returned no hits of the word "kolaczky" on WP, I came upon this page; I was apparently served a Texas-style "kolache". Is anyone else familiar with the variant that I know? Gus 14:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sorry...did not delete this on purpose 

message: Wow, so much passion over the word... I have lived in Houston almost all my life and have only ever heard "kolache" used to refer to a sausage roll. Maybe everywhere else in the world it is used to mean a fruit pastry. However, this article specifically references Shipley Donuts, and I can definitively say that if you walk into Shipley's and ask for a kolache, you're going to get something with meat in it. Also, there are some local chains that specialize in kolaches and they are mostly meat-filled. So maybe the article should specifically mention the Houston usage in the same paragraph where it talks about the Houston store. As it currently stands, it gives the false impression that Shipley's sells fruit pastries. 98.197.143.35 (talk) 22:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  No it doesn't. I was born and raised here. Lone Star Kolaches (how much more Texan can you get?) sells kolaches with fruit filling. So does the Little Czech Bakery in West, Texas. You don't know what you're talking about. 209.163.243.99 (talk) 07:34, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hear, hear! 209.163.243.99 (talk) 07:34, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seems Biased 

message: I grew up outside of Chicago and our family has made these cookies since the 1960's. They were, as described in another comment, shaped like diamonds and filled with Solo brand (very important) pie filling in either apricot or sometimes raspberry filling. The cookie part is butter, cream cheese and flour. We still make them today but have to find people to send us the Solo pie filling since we moved all over the country. Oh, and we promounce them KO - lach - ski. I wonder what the correct pronounciation is or if I am correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.27.40.43 (talk) 20:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also grew up in the Chicago area and we, too, made apricot or raspberry preserves-filled cookies with the dough folded over the filling and sprinkled with powdered sugar. I have heard the name pronounced ko-LOTCH-keys, but undoubtedly we Americans are all messing it up. We don't use pie filling, but rather, just jars of preserves. I have also made this cookie with the more traditional poppy seed fillings, and although they are not as sweet, they are better than they sound. -69.47.186.70 (talk) 22:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kolache cookies 

message: I'm the primary editor for the Nut roll article, and it seems like the Kolache is similar. Can we merge or are they distinct? Any help is appreciated. Thanks! :) Zidel333 (talk) 06:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the same. -69.47.186.70 (talk) 22:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another merger question 

message: In Czech 2000 film Samotáři (meaning "Loners"), a sentence "Máme výborné koláčky" (meaning: "We have an excellent kolache") was used to offer kolache baked with Cannabis. Since then, in Czech republic (mainly among young people) is the word "Koláčky" sometimes used for pastry with cannabis.
89.233.167.161 (talk) 12:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural reference 

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Second I would like to expand the diversity of this page to explore the permutations of "Kolache" a little more. I think that, for one, there is a much greater kolache involvement in Texas culture than is revealed here. If I had to list the cities that claim notable kolache's it may never end. Second, I'm sure there are enumerable ways to make "kolache", even in it's birth place, so let's find that information and post it here rather than arguing over who is a "yankee" or not. I'm originally from Texas and kolache's were a very endearing part of my childhood, but again this is not a forum for Texas culture wars or even Czech traditions. The very word "kolache" is a permutation of it's original intent. (see the very first entry on the page). Last, but not least, let's have fun providing the world with useful information that is verifiable and substantiated about this subject that is so near and dear to all our hearts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dekecds (talk • contribs) 07:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha. I would have to concur with 66.170.206.194. I don't know where the confusion came from, but I have some relatives who serve pigs in a blanket and call them, erroneously, kolaches. When I have explained what a kolache is and where I buy the authentic ones (Czech bakeries), they don't seem interested in correcting their language. Perhaps it is the same for hundreds of types of cuisine that it often gets lost in the translation, but this error is quite stark when the authentic kolaches are widely available. I like to saw logs! (talk) 04:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guidelines and Diversity 

message: Just an interesting fact. Kalashnikov is the last name originating from Russia and meaning someone descending from a person making or peddling kolachs (kalachs). "Kalash" is just some dialect version of pronouncing "Kalach". Obviously the ancestors of Mikhail Kalashnikov were dealing with kalach bakery.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.241.132.23 (talk) 18:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is already mentioned in the respective article dealing with the East Slavic kalach: Kalach (food). --Off-shell (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The origin of "Kalashnikov" last name 

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message: I know that kolache are popular among some Czech heritage groups in Texas, but I think this article focuses too heavily on their presence in Texas, this article should really focus on the traditional pastry from the Czech Republic as well that there are other states like Nebraska where the pastry is just as ingrained in ethnic Czechs lifestyle. I would argue at a bare minimum Texas should be removed as a place of origin. Birdmanoftech (talk) 16:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: One may need to consult sources written in Czech. The Czech Wikipedia may have editors who can help find and add such information. As for place of origin, Texas is viewed as the place of origin of the klobasnek, not the kolache (but klobasnek are called "kolaches" in many parts of Texas). WhisperToMe (talk) 03:36, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Texas 

message: About this edit: Thank you for catching that! I didn't realize klobasnek were already mentioned! (I think I control-F'ed for "Klobasnek" but "klobásník" was the spelling used).
Anyhow, the two sentences could be combined (as opposed to a straight revert) as they don't have exactly the same information. If anything I think more detail could be added, especially how some Czech Texans dislike how kolaches and klobasnek are conflated. Also I think it may help mentioning this in the lead since so many in the Houston area and elsewhere in Texas flat out think of klobasnek when someone says "kolache". WhisperToMe (talk) 03:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi @WhisperToMe, thanks for bringing this up for discussion. I agree with you about combining the two sentences and the extra detail, but I don't think it's sufficiently relevant to the rest of the article to include mention of it in the lead. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  On usage of "kolache" for "klobasnek"