Talk:Journey to the Center of the Earth

message: Besides the two on Project Gutenberg, are there any ways to track down the versions of the novel,, to help explain the renaming issues? The original version I read had the English names and was fairly heavily abridged (something along the lines of the one "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" on Project Gutenberg). The version I reread had the German characters and the fuller text, but with the "translator asides" (see "Interior of the Earth" version on PG). Are there many more, or are the other versions just edits of these? Wyrmis 18:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Versions?? 

message: There seems to be some confusion around the Web as to just what the names of the two main characters are. I personally recall them being named Professor Hardwigg and Harry, and am somewhat astonished to learn that now suddenly they're being called Professor Lindenbrock and Axel? I unfortunately lack a copy of the novel, so I cannot check to see which is correct. Could someone who owns the book check to see just what their names are? - Kooshmeister
:I was just about to mention this problem myself. I don't own a copy, but I've read the book several times. Apparently, Otto Lindenbrock and Axel Lidenbrock were the original names that Verne used, and doubtlessly German names. I'm not sure exactly why in all the versions I've read that their names are Hardwigg and Harry; it may be that those are the American equivalents. Another problem I've noted is that instead of Snaefell, the mountain is called Sneffels. Could someone who knows please explain? Scorpionman 00:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think it's simply some name/spelling changes done in some of the editions... as was also done for example in Verne's other novel The Mysterious Island and elsewhere. --Krickles 23:01, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Journey to the Centre of the Earth itself has been translated more than ten times, but many are very poor indeed. The best-known version is still the atrocious 1872 one, which rebaptizes Axel as Harry and Lidenbrock as Hardwigg, makes them both Scottish, and finishes each paragraph with at least one totally invented sentence."
(From the William Butcher translation.) Sjjb 13:08, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lindenbrock vs. Hardwigg 

message: Isn't it ichthyosaur & mammoth?  Trekphiler 17:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling challenged 

message: In a copy, which I stole from school, its actually is Von Hardwigg, Harry, Sneffels, AND Grethen (who is listed in the article as Graüben). But their still german ,though. I was just completely confused afterwards by that after reading this article. --Anonymous Jules Fan 8:16, 10 March 2006
:The names he gave in the original French are German, and were changed slightly for the English translation. -- Chr.K. 00:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1980 Watermill Classic - Complete and Unabridged

message: Where can I find a website that has a complete chapter summary? I tried Cliff's Notes, but they don't have one. --69.67.231.77 04:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter Summary 

message: ...is the definition given in the article on Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, but not for Journey.  I am going to give them equal term, as both are world famous, and any science fiction he wrote is classic, to begin with. -- Chr.K. 00:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Classic science-fiction novel..."

message: It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --~~
Journey to the Center of the Earth → Journey to the Centre of the Earth — Jules Verne was French, so European spellings should apply as per WP:MOS (which clearly states that varieties of English should be used in accordance with the subject of the page EuroSong talk 19:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# Support - Nominator. EuroSong talk 19:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So what on Earth is the justification for spelling it in American??? EuroSong talk 07:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the first major edition of the article just happened to use that spelling. It's essentially random. And now, since there is no preference for one or the other, we just don't change it. The net effect of changing it would be to fuel a culture war, since it would appear to promote British English above American English. That would be bad, because in fact, neither language is actually more correct. --Yath 13:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There's no justification for spelling it either way. But we have to pick one, and the policy in this case is to look to the choice of the first major contributor. Strad 14:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I just created :Category:Sports websites, only to find that :Category:Sport websites already existed. Naturally, it was well populated with British websites, as Americans/Canadians didn't even bother to look under that title. It just sort of happens this way. Part Deux 07:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Add any additional comments:
Further to my nomination, I can clarify the relevant policy: WP:ENGVAR states: "If there is a strong tie to a specific region/dialect, use that dialect." - and the separate page Wikipedia:Manual of Style (national varieties of English) clarifies this with several examples. Jules Verne was French = European. Therefore European/British English should be used. The word is "Centre" - as can even be seen on the book cover used as an illustration for the article! It's ludicrous to spell it the American way - just as it would be ludicrous to use British spellings in an article about Abraham Lincoln. EuroSong talk 19:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move (2007) 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# Support - Nominator. EuroSong talk 19:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So what on Earth is the justification for spelling it in American??? EuroSong talk 07:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the first major edition of the article just happened to use that spelling. It's essentially random. And now, since there is no preference for one or the other, we just don't change it. The net effect of changing it would be to fuel a culture war, since it would appear to promote British English above American English. That would be bad, because in fact, neither language is actually more correct. --Yath 13:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no justification for spelling it either way. But we have to pick one, and the policy in this case is to look to the choice of the first major contributor. Strad 14:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I just created :Category:Sports websites, only to find that :Category:Sport websites already existed. Naturally, it was well populated with British websites, as Americans/Canadians didn't even bother to look under that title. It just sort of happens this way. Part Deux 07:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Support - Nominator. EuroSong talk 19:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: #There are sillier positions than claiming that the title of a French novel written in 1864, long before the EU,  must be in British English; this is Wikipedia, after all, the home of silly positions. But I'll go with the other statement from WP:ENGVAR:"Stay with established spelling. If an article has been in a given dialect for a long time, and there is no clear reason to change it, leave it alone." The name of the Dallas production should probably be amended.  Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So what on Earth is the justification for spelling it in American??? EuroSong talk 07:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the first major edition of the article just happened to use that spelling. It's essentially random. And now, since there is no preference for one or the other, we just don't change it. The net effect of changing it would be to fuel a culture war, since it would appear to promote British English above American English. That would be bad, because in fact, neither language is actually more correct. --Yath 13:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no justification for spelling it either way. But we have to pick one, and the policy in this case is to look to the choice of the first major contributor. Strad 14:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I just created :Category:Sports websites, only to find that :Category:Sport websites already existed. Naturally, it was well populated with British websites, as Americans/Canadians didn't even bother to look under that title. It just sort of happens this way. Part Deux 07:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: :Add any additional comments:
Further to my nomination, I can clarify the relevant policy: WP:ENGVAR states: "If there is a strong tie to a specific region/dialect, use that dialect." - and the separate page Wikipedia:Manual of Style (national varieties of English) clarifies this with several examples. Jules Verne was French = European. Therefore European/British English should be used. The word is "Centre" - as can even be seen on the book cover used as an illustration for the article! It's ludicrous to spell it the American way - just as it would be ludicrous to use British spellings in an article about Abraham Lincoln. EuroSong talk 19:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: There is no support for this sentence. Since Verne only had one published work before Journey to the Center of the Earth I'd say there's not much support for him taking a "radically different approach to storytelling..." Recommend deleting this sentence.
"Compared to his previous works, Verne takes a radically different approach to storytelling by making the main character and narrator a 19-year-old boy who relates the events as his own adventures."
::I agree. Do it. - Tenmiles 05:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  compared to his previous works 

message: The last line of the second paragraph is "It is unknown whether this was done under the influence of his publisher Hetzel who wanted to distribute Verne's work as aimed towards shrinking teens." As I doubt that the book was aimed at teens who were getting smaller, I presume that this means it was aimed at a shrinking teen market. However, I would prefer not to change it until I can say whether or not it was a shrinking teen market for Verne's books, or for books in general, as otherwise it is unnecessarily vague. Does anybody know? Filksinger 15:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing wording 

message: I am very puzzled by the last line of the plot summary, that "that they had indeed passed the very center of the Earth."   The geometric center of the earth is roughly 4000 miles straight down, and the characters come nowhere near it.  What other center could the article be talking about?  From what I remember of the novel, the reversed-compass discussion just clears up the mystery about why the characters got lost, and mentioned nothing about "passing the center", whatever that means.   
CharlesTheBold 04:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "passing the center" 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: I see that Jeff Hobbs is mentioned as the illustrator of the book. The only problem is that I have never heard of him or is able to find any info about him in the net. Is this info correct? 84.48.35.203 (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Was that Vandalism? Édouard Riou is credited as illustrator now. --15lsoucy (talk) 00:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Who the hell is Jeff Hobbs?

message: Where can I find a list of real places mentioned in the book? 189.24.197.132 (talk) 14:23, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Real places mentioned in the book

message: :The following discussion is closed.  Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
I see that there's a debate about this above that reached no consensus, but it's been a while and I'd like to see this article be moved to reflect the book's actual title, A Journey to the Centre of the Earth, as that is what it was originally published as. J'onn J'onzz (talk) 20:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
====Discussion====
The article has been 'A Journey to the Center of the Earth since 22:38, 13 June 2004. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that titles long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Naaman Brown (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Move this article (2009)

message: ====Survey - in support of the move====
Support NominatorJ'onn J'onzz (talk) 20:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</div>
====Discussion====
The article has been 'A Journey to the Center of the Earth since 22:38, 13 June 2004. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that titles long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Naaman Brown (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Support NominatorJ'onn J'onzz (talk) 20:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: The article has been 'A Journey to the Center of the Earth since 22:38, 13 June 2004. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that titles long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Naaman Brown (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Most species of ichthyosaur were the size of modern tuna or porpoise. However, a complete fossil 17m/55ft long was discovered in Nevada, and in 1992 a 23m/75ft specimen was discovered in Canada. So compared to the general run, 30 ft ichthyosaur would be giant, but there were larger specimens in real life. In the William Butcher 1992 and Frederick Amadeus Malleson 1877 translations of "Journey..." it is described as "not less than a hundred feet long" so that would be closer to 30 meters than 30 feet. Naaman Brown (talk) 21:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  giant 30 ft ichthyosaur 

message: The Latin spelling is different in the French Hetzel edition:
:In Sneffels Yoculis craterem kem delibat
:umbra Scartaris Julii intra calendas descende,
:audas viator, et terrestre centrum attinges.
:Kod feci. Arne Saknussem.
While the article reads:
:In Snefflls [sic] Iokulis kraterem kem delibat umbra Skartaris Iulii intra kalendas deskende, audas uiator, te [sic] terrestre kentrum attinges. Kod feki. Arne Saknussemm.
--Error (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin spelling 

message: What about the 1956 translation by Willis T. Bradley, published by A. A. Wynn/ Dell? Seems like that would be a more modern version than the others, and worthy of note. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 23:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translations 

message: The Adaptions - Other section mixes in sundry works inspired by Verne (some adaptions, others references) plus things like Warlord which may have little direct connection. This is a mess ! -- Beardo (talk) 03:27, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adaptions - Other 

message: The article was started Rev 22:38 13 June 2004 as the only edit ever by IP User 200.161.218.36 under the title "A Journey to the Center of the Earth".
The first text was added Rev 22:58, 13 June 2004 by User RickK using American English spelling for "Center" in the text. RickK used "Journey to the Center of the Earth" as translation from the French "Voyage au centre de la Terre".
Why, how the aitch does an English language article on a French novel qualify as a battleground over American v. British English spelling, other than the claim that because the first (bad) English translation was entitled "A Journey to the Centre of the Earth" the article is British territory?
It is my understanding that in issues of American versus British spelling, the tests are (a) was the original authorship of the article in American or British English, and (b) was the subject of the article British? Since the article was started using American English and the subject of the article is French, the "-re" v "-er" and "-our" v "-or" warfare is silly. If a British author started an article on a British subject, it would be a slam dunk: British spelling consistent. But this constant back and forth is tiresome.--Naaman Brown (talk) 15:28, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So go with the sources: we cite the original translation and the OUP  as "Centre". which should have more weight than a couple of audiobooks and a dead link to a comic book version. Alternatively, move the page to Voyage au centre de la Terre with redirects from both spellings, and an introduction showing both spellings in bold provided an academic source is found for "Center".  Either spelling on its own is going to look odd to a proportion of our readers. . . dave souza, talk 16:22, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More American English v British English spelling war? 

message: I dunno who and how made that list, either himself or from some source, but isn't it just stupid? I mean, do you really need to quote somebody and cannot take a list of the animals from the text of the book yourself? I can blame any plot description, including that one in this article, as 'original research' then, either you quote somebody who made the plot description or go away/217.118.64.55 (talk) 03:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somebody put 'original research' tag on the list of prehistoric animals of the book 

message: The original title, in French, used Centre. The first English language edition in 1871, published by Griffith and Farran, used Centre. The 1877 translation by Ward Lock & Co, also used Centre. What possible justification is there to use Center, other than that it was eventually published in the USA under that title? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centre 

message: Can anyone confirm and eventually add, about the account that Verne also got the inspiration in writing the book, after he visited Mammoth Cave National ParkJpogi (talk) 08:53, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspiration 

message: I'm looking for it but I doesn't pop out 41.13.2.168 (talk) 07:14, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voices in the museum 

message: *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney%2B_original_programming#Non-English_language
*http://www.imdb.com/title/tt15090858/plotsummary/
Kenixkil (talk) 18:02, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Disney