Talk:John Warwick Montgomery

message: Added some new material about his family http://wikipedia.qwika.com
Efdouglass (talk) 07:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: A: For History of the School please refer to https://tls.edu/history/ 128.11.95.26 12:45, 11 November 1017
This article reads like cheerleading, and appears to equate Christianity with Fundamentalism and the political Far Right.
hbquikcomjamesl (talk) 01:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article looks straight forward and objective to me.  The man has remarkable achievements which could induce awe without needing any cheer-leaders.   I don't believe that Montgomery would like being called a fundamentalist at all, though he apparently does believe the basic doctrines of Christianity.  I suppose I could correct your fundamentalist canard by adding that he was famous for drinking beer, but I don't know where I would get a reliable secondary source for it.  (EnochBethany (talk) 04:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
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message: I had John Warwick Montgomery as a professor of Koine Greek at Melodyland School of Theology, in Anaheim, Ca. in 1979. He and Walter Martin (Apologetics) were both professors at the school at the time and were in the forefront of the battle to keep the schools positive stand on Biblical Inneracy. As Circulation Director of the school's library, I waa able to peruse Dr. Montgomery's expansive private book collection on the occult, cults, and spirtual pnenomenon. Dr. Montgomery was generally a very strict professor, but had his moments, such as when he made several students in the class recite the Greek alphabet while the prof was tickling them, to demonstrate what kind of concentration he expected from his students.Dr. Montgomery and Dr. Martin left Melodyland to found the Simon Greenleaf School of Law and Apologetics. Dr. Martin continued to teach an Apologetics class at Melodyland for a few years, as well as a very popular Kingdom of the Cults Sunday School class at Melodyland Christian Center.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.29.232.128 (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Melodyland School Of Theology

message: -- John Warwick Montgomery --
Point one- This is an effort  to remove unproven allegations from a third party which were printed in the L.A. Times article in spite of the fact that both parties refused to comment (confirm) to the L.A. Times (see the article). The fact is that the controversy over the School and its dean was amicably settled through Christian mediation service, and the settlement requires that neither side further discuss the issues cited in public (see the article). It is patently unjust to refer to the unproven allegations when neither side is able to discuss it under legal agreement. Furthermore, the L.A. Times (tabloid style) article is only one of several articles on the topic. Unfortunately these articles require subscription to view, something the average Wiki viewer cannot do. It is unjust to only select the most erroneous article which is easy to view, violating Wiki NPOV. (see Randy Frame, Problems Derail Law School Founder, Christianity Today, March 17, 1989, 48. Nicole Brodeur, Beleagured founder agrees to leave Christian law school, The Orange County Register,  Jan 12,1989, B4.) 
Point two- There were subsequent inquiries into the issues regarding the controversy by an independant group- WELS (an even more Conservative religious body than Montgomery’s own) and those inquiries resulted in a published article publically exonerating John Warwick Montgomery. ( News, Allegations Not Proved, WELS Forward in Christ,Volume 76, Number 19 Issue: November 1989. Weblink: http://wels.prometdev.com/news-events/forward-in-christ/november-1989/allegations-not-proved (subscription required)Ignoring this also violate Wiki NPOV.
Point three- one of the parties in the controversy is deceased, and cannot be contacted, the remaining family members request not to participate in the Wiki article by choice, doing so against their will violates Wiki BLP policy. Furthermore, marital controversies were examined and settled in the courts and not in Newspapers.  John Warwick Montgomery published a response 3 years later (Simon Greenleaf: What Can Be Learned When A Christian Institution Falls from Greatness, The Christian News, Oct 5, 1992, 10-12.) John Warwick Montgomery was exonerated by an impartial (if not more Conservative) inquiry (as stated above), so the current Law School, Trinity School of Law, (renamed) still publically cites John Warwick Montgomery as its founder (http://lawschool.tiu.edu/who-we-are/about/ ).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.214.242.26 (talk) 21:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: SBaker43 (talk) 02:57, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV, BLP, RS issues - copied from User talk 

message: Removed references to unsupported NPOV newspaper opinion. Warning California Law Prohibits courts and parties from citing or relying on opinions not certified for publication or submission. Trinity Law School proudly names John Warwick Montgomery as Founding Dean https://tls.edu/history/ . Non public figures have requested anonymity in accordance with Wiki Biography of Living Persons policy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons 128.11.95.26 12:45, 11 November 1017
: An argument can be made that the family details are BLP violations, but the LA Times is a WP:RS, and Cal. law does not prohibit citation of the LA Times.  Removing reference to this amounts to whitewashing. Agricolae (talk) 00:26, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit by 128.11.95.26