Talk:Seoul Metropolitan Subway

message: Why isn't it included in the Seoul Metropolitan Subway template?> It's already completed. 12.185.48.105 (talk) 22:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gyeongchun Line? 

message: Is there now a Jungang Line in the Seoul subway system?  If so, it needs its own article; Jungang Line is about a very different stretch of track. -- Visviva 09:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the yongsan-dokso section. in Korean wikipedia. we don't have conclusion. we discuss on this section that "this page should separate" Vs. "It must incluse in Line 1". in truth, we don't have exact nothon about "what is line 1 and what is line 1's content" at now. so, I suggest don't make about 'jungang line' as of yongsan-dukso section. - Ellif 06:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jungang Line? 

message: Technically, there are 2 blue lines, #1 dark blue and #4 light blue. However, it appears that #4 is the official blue line per a recent edit. Any detail?? Georgia guy 13:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue Line Terminology 

message: This article is not organized very well. Is there a way we can make the article better laid out without compromising the quality of the article? — † Webdinger BLAH | SZ 03:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: The two maps added by Sh1900 are show various planned or proposed expansion of the Seoul subway along with potential routes and station names. Some of routes they show are 5-10 years from completion. There's no explanation as to what they represent or why they're there. I am removing them. JackSeoul 02:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future expansion maps under "History" 

message: Since this is the Seoul Metropolitan Subway, not the Seoul Subway, I think it can be assumed that it covers the subway lines in the Seoul Metropolitan Area, so I propose that the Incheon Line (I'm not sure why they call it Incheon Line 1, but they do!) be included in this article and its associated template. JPBarrass 13:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called Incheon Subway Line 1 because Line 2 is under construction. The offical maps etc refer to it as line 1. I aree that it should be listed here. It's one system, same ticketing is used, and it appears on the official maps such as here.JackSeoul 08:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incheon Line 

message: Articles are not mere galleries and this article is quickly becoming that. Comparing this  version and this current version . I've got to say I much prefer the earlier version. Each station has its own article, there is no reason to have a gallery of images for each station in the main article. And this extremely large image down the side does horrible things to the formatting.--Crossmr (talk) 05:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  image overload 

message: Just comparing the previous main image, :Image:Seoul_Subway_linemap_en.pngand the new one :Image:Seoulsubway.jpg. I don't have anything against updating the image, however it should be as legible as the previous one. This new one is packed together more and at a smaller resolution. This leaves a few station names difficult to read. Would it be possible to get this image at a higher resolution.--Crossmr (talk) 05:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Image 

message: To be clear, what is meant by a new LRT line is developing?  According to this article there are seven LRT lines in Seoul and 10 in Gyeonggi-do that are in the planning stages.  The article specifies EverLine as one of these LRT lines.  Is it safe to assume that all these other lines are separate?  In Singapore there is the MRT and the LRT and they are integrated but very different.  I'm going to move forward under the assumption that these lines are separate and that a new subsection on this page or a new stand alone page should be started. Please commentDaronDierkes (talk) 09:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  LRT 

message: Seoul Subway Line 9 and all other Seoul subway articles use the hangul and hanja forms 수도권 전철/首都圈 電鐵 for "Seoul Subway" in the infobox, but the Latin transcription says "Sudogwon Jihacheol", which would be 수도권 지하철/首都圈 地下鐵.  Also, "수도권 전철" is "Metropolican Electric Train", while Seoul Subway should be "서울 지하철".  Which form is the most correct? Apparently the Korean WP uses "서울 지하철". Jpatokal (talk) 22:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The default English name is "Seoul Subway" or some form. The official Korean title is 수도권 전철 which is romanized as "Sudogwon Jeoncheol". In Seoul people say "지하철" and you are right, there is a Korean Wiki page for "서울 지하철" but their main page is "수도권 전철." Rickinasia (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent transcriptions in subway line boxes 

message: There seems to be constant construction over various parts of the Seoul Subway system.  I've been working on that from several sources; the Korean language Wiki pages, the iPhone app '지하철', Naver Maps, and what I see while traveling the subways. Any other websites or tools people can recommend please write them here.  I remember seeing a Korean language subway/rail construction website awhile ago but am not sure if the site is still open or dead.  Rickinasia (talk) 07:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Construction 

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thread_title: File:Tmoney.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: The infobox to the right has been on this article for quite a long time before removed by User:Camins, alleging that it is unverified, unofficial and outdated name, please discuss before making any changes. In the previous discussion, #Page Name, Camins maintained that Seoul Metropolitan Subway is the name for Sudogwan Jeoncheol. Now that the article has been moved and renamed, why deleting its Korean name?--Frysun (talk) 21:39, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this name is not official to begin with, having no source. The Korean wiki article is outdated because this name was dropped with the opening of Line 1 extension to Cheonan in 2005 and made further irrelevant by opening of Gyeongchun Line in 2010, both are not in Sudogwon. Line 1 extension to Sinchang is in Asan, another city not in Sudogwon. Camins (talk) 15:38, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I see. Thanks for reminding me of this. I have updated the name.--Frysun (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please stop ignoring the consensus and do not claim to have "updated" it to another nonsense name when the official proof below clearly states that it is the "Seoul Metropolitan Subway".Camins (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 12:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korea name 

message: As suggested in the previous section (#Korea name) by Camins, the name of Sudogwan Jeoncheol is outdated since 2005. Following sources show that the current name is 광역전철 (Gwangyeok Jeoncheol) in Korean and Seoul Metropolitan Railway in English, hence the rename of the article.
Sources:
*For the latest published map (2012 edition) Metropolitan Railway map, the title shows the bilingual names.
*For the cover of such maps Seoul Metropolitan Railway Map Cover, showing the bilingual names and the railway lines included in the system.
*For the in-station map of Seoul Metropolitan Railway map in 2010 see here Metropolitan Railway map Station 2010
*For the latest in-station map of Seoul Metropolitan Railway map (November 2012) see here Metropolitan Railway Station map 2012
*Note that all maps contain official names both in English and Korean (Hangul and Hanja).--Frysun (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Name 

message: The page says "All stations of the Seoul subway are installed with automatic platform gates for safety.[5]" However I remember a bunch of lines at the north side of Line 1 didn't have doors upwards of a year or two ago. And last week when I transferred from Sinbundang to Bundang Line and headed south multiple stations I noticed multiple without safety doors but eventually did see some before exiting (forgot the station). The reference mentioned said 92 finished with 173 more to do. I'm not sure how many existed in 2009 but there are nearly 500 now. Did something got lost in translation with "All metro stations in Seoul" or am I missing something?
Really looking for feedback. ₪RicknAsia₪ 16:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automatic Platform Doors 

message: There are no clear graphs showing the rolling stock, nor are there any links to the rolling stock pages. The page looks confusing with just a list of stock numbers and a gallery. Epicgenius (talk) 01:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expand article 

message: 'System Map', that is shown at the right corner of the document lacks newly added stations/lines.
It seems that the image hasn't been update for a while.
I can easily say that it lacks newly constructed lines: Suin line (Incheon - Oido), Budang line Mangpo Extension (Bojeong - Mangpo), Bundang line Wangsimni Extension (Seonlleung - Wangsimni), Everline (Giheung - Everland), Sinbundang DX line (Gangnam - Jeongja), Uijeongbu LRT (Balgok - Tapseok), Line 7 Incheon Extension (Onsu - Bupyeong-gu Office)
and newly constructed stations: Seonjeongneung (Bundang line, b/ Seonlleung and Gangnam-gu Office)
[There can be a lot more, as I just glanced through the map / Line 7 Extension is quite big change...]
There has been quite changes to the system, so this outdated map could be misleading to people who get to learn about Seoul Met. Subway for the first time.
I have several possible suggestions (I'm new to Wiki and am not used to Wiki's copyright policies, so a senior reader could do this job, possibly)
1. Map by SMRT (Seoul Metropolitan Rapid Transit Corp., corp. that runs Seoul Metro line 5-8)
http://www.smrt.co.kr/program/cyberStation/main2.jsp?lang=e  (download link at right)
As this map is made by operational corp, it is updated decently.
for now, i'm going to  try to find some more maps, (since this system is expanding quite rapidly and many maps are outdated) and if other members have found / made great maps, please put it as considerations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mscho527 (talk • contribs) 12:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  'System Map' lacks many new additions to the subway network 

message: The number of stations is confusing. Depending on who one asks, it can be 615 stations, 585 stations, 493 stations, or 422 stations. Is there a definite source for any of these numbers? Epicgenius (talk) 18:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and I will put that up soon on the intro. Massyparcer (talk) 18:57, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of stations 

message: A few editors appear to have a problem with the fact that one of Seoul's metro operators, Korail, is also South Korea's national railroad. This has been removed a few times today, last with the note that the source given was "a personal blog post" which collided with WP:Verifiability. I would hardly characterize Everydaykorea.com as "a personal blog." It is probably better suited for the topic at hand than, say,  Jalopnik. I hope the new sources (Korail, AP) will no longer be doubted. I am glad that WP:Verifiability is now recognized as being important, and I suggest to remove Jalopnik to comply with the new standards for reliable sources. BsBsBs (talk) 15:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sourcing a blog post maintained by one editor is ridiculous. Unlike everydaykorea, Jalopnick, if you look at alexa is ranked 3286th, and is a much more high-profile source by professional editors and hence, more than qualifies under WP:Verifiability. You're suppose to list lines on that section, not explain the operator. Which is completely irrelevant with the purpose of that section. Massyparcer (talk) 15:32, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether Jalopnik is professionally edited is a matter of debate. BsBsBs (talk) 15:47, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you should post irrelevant and inappropriate content here. The main point is crystal clear from WP:Verfiability - No PERSONAL Blogs which we call "self-published sources" in Wikipedia that is prohibited. That everydaykorea is clearly from one personal guy. Also, I will remove that note added by Epic about the left-hand track, right-hand track nonsense that is totally unverifiable and unsourced original research without a single source. And your completely irrelevant and unnecessary intro to Korail which is completely going against the purpose of that section. Lists and intros are different do you get it? Remember: Any unsourced claims may be challenged and removed. Massyparcer (talk) 19:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The side on which the trains run is pertinent to the article. Epicgenius (talk) 17:46, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Which doesn't matter because it is unsourced and anything unreferenced will be challenged and removed. I advise you to either stop this edit warring nonsense or get us a proper source to verify your claim. I will remove your unsourced claim once again, and next time you revert, you better have a source to prove your claim. Massyparcer (talk) 17:49, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Line 1 runs on the leftLine 4 runs part on the left, and part on the right, and the rest run on the right, according to ko.wikipedia. Epicgenius (talk) 18:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sinbundang Line runs on the left, as does A*REX. Epicgenius (talk) 18:18, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  And we all know that using Wikipedia articles as sources is strictly forbidden. You have no reliable sources to prove your claims. Next time you revert, you better have something better than Wikipedia articles. Massyparcer (talk) 18:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See my comments on the List of Metro Systems talk page. Epicgenius (talk) 18:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You should seriously discuss matters related to this article here, not redirect me to another article's talk page. Massyparcer (talk) 18:48, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's because I don't want to type the same comment twice. Epicgenius (talk) 19:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You still have no sources in your latest revert, which leaves me no choice but to remove this unsourced claim. Massyparcer (talk) 20:21, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't remove it! You'll break 3RR. By the way, I re-added it because it seemed that other editors were adding it back in as well, not because I had personal reasons for adding it. Epicgenius (talk) 20:27, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why would that break 3RR? I have only reverted once. That doesn't excuse you to add unsourced and unverified content. I strongly suggest you either get out and do your work to get a reliable source, or we have no choice to remove this nonsense. Massyparcer (talk) 20:37, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korail 

message: One recent editor of this article has just been blocked indefinitely for abuse of editing privileges (such as blanking parts of the article, and calling another editor a "moron.") Please edit responsibly, and do not wage edit warfare. Substantive changes should be discussed here first.
Likewise, characterizing the work product of other editors as "nonsense" is rude. We will all be measured by the standards we set.  BsBsBs (talk) 16:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The editor in question was vandalizing and blanking pages sitewide; it wasn't limited to this article. Still, it's good advice to take care when you edit. Epicgenius (talk) 03:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know, I follow the edit histories carefully. BsBsBs (talk) 09:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make article, not edit war 

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message: I found this page on Korail's site mentioning opening dates for lines/sections and lengths.  This is kind of a note to myself but also for others if they want to use it.  ₪RicknAsia₪ 02:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korail Source 

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