Talk:The Smurfs/Archive 1

message: The money laundering meaning of "smurf" really exists, see e.g. this Google search! Lupo 15:14, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments from before August 2004

message: The article has:
:The cast included some of the greatest voice actors ever:
Can anyone think of a NPOV way to re-write this?
--John Lynch 09:22, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think I can :p just changed the sentence to ...included a number of renowned voice actors -- Ferkelparade 08:49, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Greatest voice actor bias

message: Can someone using IE or another browser that shows unrequested pop-ups check whether any of the external links pop up porno banners, or something? An anon claimed that she saw something like that happening, but I haven't been able to reproduce it.--Eloquence* —Preceding undated comment added 13:06, 15 September 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Porno popups? 

message: This article ought to include some treatment of the common allegation that the Smurfs were communists.  See  for a good example with some evidence.  Personally, I don't believe that the Smurfs were intentionally designed by Peyo to be communists, but I do think that he held left-wing values which ended up being expressed in the Smurf world.  I read all the original Smurf comics when I was a kid, and I distinctly remember that they explicitly disparaged money and greed.  Also, the Smurfs were constantly exhorted to work for the good of the community, and many clearly moralistic plotlines involved one of the Smurfs shirking his duties and disaster resulting. --Redquark 23:31, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Communism? 

message: Are we allowed to use the Smurf logo? Surely it must be trademarked/copyrighted to someone? -- 202.154.105.13 00:28, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  license of smurf logo 

message: -An episode of the cartoon show revealed that Gargamel's hatred for the Smurfs began when he suffered an accident while still a student of magic, and believed a Smurf had caused it. In reality, it was caused by his own older self, who had traveled back in time.
*This is not in line with the original comics where Gargamel learns to know about the Smurfs only after he needs one to make gold. His plan to catch a Smurf fails, and from then on he hates the Smurfs. This is in the story "The Smurf thief" in the first album "The dark Smurfs". --Xenan 15:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story comments, for consideration and possible inclusion: 

message: The Smurfs cartoon series one a number of Emmy awards. Would anyone like to help me compile a list of nominations and wins? :) --b. Touch 01:19, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smurf Emmys 

message: the smurfs universe extends way past just cartoons! there were dozens of bande desinees about smurfs! (see: Franco-Belgian_comics) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.20.72 (talk) 03:52, 6 December 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  what about the whole comics universe? 

message: About the comment that a war broke out on whether "smurf" should be used as a verb or a noun. As I recall it, from a swedish translation of the comics, the war broke out due to an argument if smurf should be a replacement for the first or second compound of a word, i.e. if a "sledgehammer" should be a "sledgesmurfer" or a "smurfhammer" etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.198.149.49 (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smurf war 

message: :There also have been allegations, correct or not, that the Smurfs were an allegory of capitalism and communism: the Smurfs, with their lack of any form of money, sharing of all goods and services, and their basic egalitarian ideals, are said to represent the ideal communist society, while their hated nemesis Gargamel, who plots to catch them and use them to turn base metals into gold, is said to represent capitalism at its worst.
:Along the lines of allegations of the Smurfs being Communist were also claims about hidden anti-semitic propaganda in the show. According to believers of this notion, Gargamel was "dressed" to appear Jewish and his cat, Azrael, portrayed American Government as a puppet in the hands of the Jews. Azrael's name also sounds like "Israel", which adds a connotation.
I have removed these because I believe them to be original research. They can be restored if they are backed up. Saying "claims" and "allegations" doesnt cut it. Need specific names of people, publications and dates, or links to online citations. Stbalbach 01:30, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  anti-seminist and communist 

message: I think there should be a section on the popular "Father Abraham and the Smurfs" records that were released in late '79 early '80 ? --Sf 12:01, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Father Abraham ?? 

message: Sorry, I don't quite understand this. The article says that "Schtroumpf" means "salt" and also that it is an invented word. So which is it?--Fito 19:04, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
:You haven't understood the secion properly. " "Schtroumpf" is an invented word. According to an interview with Peyo, the word came to him as he asked a friend for salt during lunch and, struggling to find the word that eluded him finally managed to say "passe-moi le schtroumpf" (pass me the salt)". I.e. Peyo lost the word for salt, during a momentarily brain lapse, and just came up with a nonsense word while he was speaking. The real French translation for salt is "(le) sel", thus "passe-moi le sel", I don't know if the section needs rewriting.
::Obviously, yes.
Actually you have the story incorrect, "Schtroumpf" means what-ch-ma-call-it, Peyo could not think of the word salt at the time for some reason and said pass him the whatchamacallit, he later used it for the characters he created - the Smurfs.
:Please sign your contributions (four "~"). And it is you who are wrong, Schtroumpf does not mean whatchamacallit, it was an expression made up there and then, not a usual word to replcae a word you can't remember. Whatchamacallit is a dictionary word, Schtroumpf is a made up term. The article as it stands now is quite correct in the descritpion of the origin of the term. Fram 20:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pvcblue, sorry, but you haven't got the faintest clue what you are talking about. Please give me one serious source that states that schtroumpf was an existing word (official or slang) for whatchamacallit in whatever language you like before Peyo used it. The article as it stands gives a good reference for the fact that it was an invented word. Fram 14:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for providing us with a source for your statements. You were wrong in claiming that it is a flemish colloquialism anyway (your source says it French, which makes at least more sense), and your source is contradicted by every other source I have read, including interviews with Peyo and the recent biography I referenced. It was not his father, but André Franquin, and it was an invented word, not a colloquialism. You can find the story here, here, here, ... The word Schtroumpf is not included in dictionaries , and is discussed in Language publications  as an invented word that parodies whatchamacallits like "truc" or "chose". Finally, the French Wikitionary  clearly says that it is invented by Peyo. Fram 08:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't ignore the importance for it, I wondered what was your source, and I thanked you for providing one. Strangely, it contradicts every other source, even direct interviews with Peyo. As I don't have your source and don't know where it is available, I can't judge it any further, and I don't see in your quote that the info comes from Peyo, just that it comes from a Hanna-Barbera press kit. Want another source? "Les Schtroumpfs 1", textes d'introduction de Thierry Groensteen, edited by Rombaldi and Dupuis in 1986, , page 6, again gives the same origin (invented a word when asking Franquin for the salt) in different words. The most accessible and still definite source I can give you, apart from all the others, is the official André Franquin website , where he again relates the exact same story, but in his own words (i.e. not all sources are just repeating one another), and where he literally says that Peyo "forged" (i.e. invented) the word Smurf. So we have interviews with the two people involved declaring that it was an invented word, we have articles by linguists saying that it is not included in dictionaries, we have all kinds of sources agreeing that it is invented, and we have one Hanna-Barbera press kit that says something different. That was your source, and it is logical that you assumed it was correct, but it isn't. Fram 19:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. I don't believe a word of it though. Too bad! I have given references that can be verified (check out WP:V), as long as yours are only reported by you, they are not to be used in Wikipedia. Get IMPS to put the story of the origin of the word Schtroumpf on their website, and then you have a good source to be used here as an alternative story to what Peyo himself reported. If you can't get IMPS to put it on the website, get some French linguists over here that can confirm that the word Schtroumpf existed before Peyo used it. Note that the French wikipedia (where most of the contributors probably know French) does not refer to a whatchamacallit or another colloquialism, and actually refers to the Franquin website I have given above. Fram 12:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Strumpf (or Smurf or Schtroumpf) has absolutely no meaning in Dutch. I don't know enough German to give an answer for that. I don't think Peyo was consciously thinking about schtrumpf when he invented the word or the hat of the Smurfs, but it is impossible to be certain that he didn't unconsciously knew and used the German word of course, even though there is no real indication for it. Fram 20:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Schtroumpf" is an invented word. 

message: I just happened to surf (or should I say smurf?) on this article while browsing through the wiki, and, well, I have to say that the part about "Satanic rumors" is just plain absurd. I know we're supposed to cover the weirdest viewpoints, but this is really pushing it. A bit like devoting a few paragraphs in the article about the Moon to the question of where it is made out of cheese... -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 20:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a real rumor. My sister was told at CCD that Papa Smurf used pentagrams and played checkers with wizards, ergo he was New Age therefore Satanic. She thought this was nuts and it was never stated by any priest we had. It did exist though.--T. Anthony 16:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that it was a real rumor makes it worthy of mention.  It's part of the entire social impact that the Smurfs had. Anthopos 20:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satanic smurfs? How crazy is too crazy for the wiki? 

message: Regarding the caption for the illustration of Papa Smurf and Smurfette:
:Papa Smurf Says, "They're All Pink Inside."
Is that for real?  It sounds kind of off-color to me.  -- Coneslayer 21:55, 2005 July 19 (UTC)
:It appeared to be vandalism. I've reverted it. Best, Meelar (talk) 21:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
It's back, reverting now. Good fodder for BJAODN, though. Karmafist 18:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caption 

message: Here is written they are 15cm tall. If you see the smurfs walking through Gargamel's house, standing next to Gargamel's feet, being hunted by his cat, standing next to other animals, they look MUCH shorter to me than 15cm. 213.119.9.126 10:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Their height was very inconsistent, which is oddly consistent with the kind of fairy tale style they were going for. In tall tales and fairy tales characters become whatever heighth is needed for the story without any explanation. Hence they were described as three apples tall, and when needed they maybe were that tall, but much of the time they were as small as ten centimeters. Although they usually weren't smaller insects. Also a toon's world is not always the same in proportions.--T. Anthony 08:26, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The only apple that makes sense in measuring smurfs is the crab apple, which is at most (according to the page) 4cm (in the wild), ~1.57",  tall, making smurfs ~12cm (~4.7", 3x1.57") tall. -Eep² 15:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smurf Height 

message: It's always been a running joke that smurfs advocate safe sex. (yknow... their caps).
Maybe we shld include a tongue-in-cheek section about that.
As long as we're along that line. Anyone has any idea how smurfs reproduce? I mean. There's only 1 female smurf...... baaaaaad cartoon.
:They magically appear during blue moons 207.134.166.42 01:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really, I read that in a BD once, but I thought that was just a silly joke. 85.226.122.205 23:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do smurfs advocate safe sex? 

message: an editor added that "all antagonist names were jewish (such as) gargamel and azrael".   a few antagonist names are not jewish as far as i can tell -- nemesis, agatha, clorohydress -- so the insertion is false.   i don't know whether gargamel or azrael are, but i've removed the line until there's some evidence of this.    Justforasecond 16:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting point. The other antagonists you name (Nemesis, Agatha, Clorohydress) are more recent additions to the story, possibly not even introduced by Peyo. I do also have a (very) vague recollection of one of the Johan and Peewit comics, where someone talks to a dragon Fafnir in characters that I remember as being Hebrew. I don't have the comic here, maybe someone can confirm this? -- Peter 12:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  antagonist names 

message: Regarding this recentlyt added entry:
:Internet rumours have started recently, following Peyo's death, that linked the creator to the Ku Klux Klan and revealed several obvious white supremacist images in the Smurfs cartoons. The most obvious is the fact that all Smurfs wear white, semi-pointed caps reminiscent of Klan headwear, and that the leader, Papa Smurf, wears a red cap, just like the Ku Klux Klan leader, the "Grand Wizard". All Smurfs have strictly defined jobs, and they all look the same, which is also reminiscent of Nazi ideologies. All antagonists have Jewish names, most notably Gargamel and his cat Azrael. One episode that is mentioned frequently as having racist undertones features a beetle that bites the Smurfs, thereby turning them black. All black Smurfs are automatically evil and are portrayed as inarticulate (they can only utter one word) and violently insane. The cartoons also often showed the Smurfs dancing around a fire just like certain ritualistic Klan dances, and speeches by Papa Smurf are greeted by extreme euphoria from the other Smurfs, reminiscent of Adolf Hitler's Nazi propaganda speeches.
I'm not sure "Internet rumours" counts for Wikipedia:Verifiability purposes in looking at Original Research abd POV issues. If this is to be included a reliable source is recommended. --Stbalbach 16:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good you removed it. Bare in mind that I only know the cartoon not the comics. However the article on Azrael indicates it is the Angel of death in the Qur'an. I believe one of the bad wizards is named Balthazar which is not Jewish as far as I know. Gargamel seems to be a Medieval French name. The KKK cap is a cone, it does not look like a Phrygian cap. In the cartoon in least the bug turns the Smurfs purple.(but apparently in the comic it did turn them black--T. Anthony 11:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Klu Klux Klan 

message: From the Communism section:
:It is now argued by some that Peyo meant to spread communist ideas through smurf cartoons. S.M.U.R.F. is translated by supporters of this theory as "Socialist Men Under Red Father" or "Soviet Men Under Red Father".
Given that they were originally called "Schtroumpfs," not "Smurfs," why is this in the article? tregoweth 02:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had included your argument in the article, but it has been removed last month (during my holiday) as being POV. I don't see how pointing out the clear logical fallacy in an argument is POV, so if you and most others agree that this is not POV, we can reintroduce it. See comparison for the moment it got removed and the argument used. Fram 08:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are the supporters claiming that Peyo intended SMURF as an acronym, or is that just their name for the Smurf communism theory? The article is a bit unclear on that. tregoweth 16:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Communism 

message: This section is ridiculous and unfounded, I'm removing it from the main article and moving it here. Google gives no hits on this name, excepted for the Wikipedia article --Vanieter 02:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cian Farel 

message: :I had added this first to pvcblue's talk page, but he deleted it without comment, so I put it here for everyones consideration
Pvcblue, this is not about a personal vendetta, you violate Wikipedia: external links (see "links normally to be avoided") by adding a site that is not "a unique resource" (violates point 1: the things you bring are already covered quite thoroughly by the other links in the article), and it is a website you own and maintain (violates point 3): furthermore, your forum had at the last count (i.e. last week) 18 members, which is not really an impressive reason to include it. Furthermore, your collection of PVC Smurfs is incomplete (not even showing an example of every Schleich number), and is thus less complete than e.g. BlueImps or non-listed sites like Sgt. Papas. Unless you can point out what info your site gives that other sites don't give in a better (more complete, more detailed) way, it adds nothing, and thus has no place there, as there are tens of other sites which are equally intersting and informative. We can and should have only the best, and yours isn't (yet) one of them. Fram 05:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not remark on the longevity of your site, and it is irrelevant. Discussing motives is irrelevant as well. Accusing me of personal attacks (as you did in your last edit summary) is quite serious, and should be substantiated. A criticism of a website and its contents is not a personal attack. Saying that someone does something out of spite is a personal attack though, albeit a minor one. I am not the only one that have removed your link, and I had not removed any of the other info you added, as I don't mind good info to be added. I don't own the page any more or less than you do. I don't think I have shown any hatefullness. I hope you stick around to make good contributions, but that does not mean that you or any of your edits are above criticism, just like mine aren't. Oh, and any info you added can be readded easily, as you have licensed it by adding it here. But anyway, it can be found on other sites as well. Fram 08:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You removed mypost as well, which is simply not done, so I reverted to the previous version. Apart from that, I don't understand what you mean by "repost something that was NEVER posted", I don't think I am capable of the impossible. Fram 08:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, you have the right to remove a post from your talk page, and I have every right to put it then on this article discussion page, where you no longer have the right to remove it. This is not harassment, this is a discussion of what should or shouldn't be in an article. This is exactly what the talk page is intended for. I posted it at your talk page first to try to resolve this between us, instead of here, bt since you clearly did not want to discuss it there, I had no choice but to bring it here. Oh, and you cansee in the history  of this page what I mean by edit conflict and what part you reacted to. You reacted to the post with time 07:28, not the one from 08:36. Don't accuse people of "more lies and half truths" for no reason, please. Fram 08:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The link to pvcblue site

message: Since there seems to be consensus from everyone that the PVCBlue site should not be listed, yet multiple different anon IP's keep adding it back (either from the PVCBlue user or members of his site), I have put in a request to semi-protect the article. -- Stbalbach 21:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection request 

message: They had a lawsuit against Ebolaworld didnt they? --Johnston49er 02:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find some references to IMPS (the Smurf merchandising company) forcing some removal of material at Ebolaworld, but this seems to have been minor (probably not turned into a lawsuit, just some threatening letters by lawyers or some such), and is very common with such companies (many websites with "Smurf" in the name have been forced to take another name). So there's something to it, but its too minor to mention in the article. Fram 05:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ebolaworld! 

message: And if so, was it because of the rumoured link between smurfs and communism???
-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.157.7 (talk) 19:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubtful, the link seems to have been a "Western" rumor. 惑乱 分からん 13:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Smurfs popular in the USSR?

message: Papa Smurf has a beard which lead you to beleive that he is a mammal. But there is only 1 female meaning that Smurfs are reptiles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.100.111 (talk) 19:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SMURF MAMMAL OR NOT? 

message: I think that all people how think that smurfs are communist, kkk or some other organisation are weird and negative thinking. It's just a comic!!!. There's nothing wrong with the comic, some people just like to find negative things behind everything. Just be more positive and cheerful.
TYK1986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.212.13.82 (talk) 22:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They don't actually mean that, they're just insulting the smurfs with names calling them evil, or annoying to the point of hatred. And quite frankly, I don't blame them. I smiled all day when the smurfs were bombed in that cartoon. Mattbash 00:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  just something to say 

message: This article is part of WikiProject Nickelodeon, according to the top of this discussion page, but I do not recall the television program ever being part of Nickelodeon's lineup.  When were they on? B7T 04:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smurfs on Nick? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Papasmurf.jpg

message: Anyone else think it's about time to archive this talk page? Useight 18:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive?

message: The Hanna-Barbera series - Use of classical music section (4.1.1.2) should be updated to include a reference to Scheherazade (Rimsky-Korsakov), the beginning of which is often used as Gargamel's introduction theme (such as when the scene cuts to Gargamel's home), albeit with an increased tempo.
Don Dueck 21:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hanna-Barbera series - Use of classical music - Scheherezade  

message: Was a "bottle opener" really translated as "bottle opsmurf" in an official translation? I just think it sounds much worse than "bottle smurfener", and doesn't follow normal smurf word-making rules... 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 23:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Bottle opsmurf" / "smurf opener"?

message: "The smurfs control science." ????   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.106.212 (talk) 00:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The smurfs control science?

message: I would like to seriously rework this page, with the final intention to bring it up to Featured Article by the time of the 50th anniversary (i.e. October 23th 2008). My intent is to fork this page into three or four pages (plus keeping this main page of course). I believe we need separate pages for The Smurfs (comics), The Smurfs (Hanna-Barbera series), The Smurfs (music) and The Smurfs (merchandising) (names are only suggestions, something like The Smurfs (collectibles) may do as well).
This page would present an overview of the "history" of the Smurfs (the real world history, that is), with sections on the comics, the movies, the animated series, the spin-offs (music, advertising and other merchandising), and the status of the Smurfs as cultural icons. It would also contain a description of the Smurf "universe" (like it does now), describing the in-universe aspects (timeframe, briefly some characters, language, ...). The sections would have pointers to the forked articles of course. 
Things I would remove from the current article are the list of albums (to the article on the comics), the list of voice actors, released DVD's and music used in the animations (to the HB article), the list of translations (these can be found through the interwiki links), and the trivia section (everything which can be sourced and is deemed significant enough would be integrated in the "cultural icons" sections, all the rest deleted). Severely reduced would be the sections on figurines, theme parks and video games (moved to the merchandising article). The rest would be kept but rewritten (where needed).
This would hopefully create a more concise, balanced, well-sourced article, with room for all details in the subarticles where needed (e.g. the Smurfs Hanna-Barbera series really deserves a separate article, as does the phenomenon of the Smurfs music from Father Abraham on).
I plan on forking these articles in the next few weeks, if there is a consensus (or lack of opposition). Better proposals, tweaks, ... are obviously more than welcome, as is any help (in writing, layouting, and sourcing). There is more than enough info available to turn this into one (or more) good and featured articles, but it will take some work! Fram (talk) 13:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems a good plan. And a massive bit of work. Are you suggesting that this The Smurfs namespace be a simple DAB page, or a main overview article that is to be separate from The Smurfs (comics), because I'd think these aren't split apart so easily. Otherwise, spreading the many different topics feels right. MURGH disc. 15:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be the main article, separate from the Smurfs (comics) page, but of course including a section on the comics. All the details of the comics go to the (comics) subpage, but some main points stay here as well. Fram (talk) 08:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Massive reworking to bring this to GA or even FA

message: Smurfs are little blue creatures from another galaxy that are mostly found in Idaho, Utah, and North Dakota.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.82.75 (talk) 18:37, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  simple corrections needed 

message: Are the Smurf urban legends, especially among Jehovah's Witnesses, worthy of note?
* http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=9555
* http://wikibin.org/articles/smurf-conspiracy-theories.html
* http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/123185/1/SCARY-actually-hilarious-JW-Urban-Legends-smurf-content
* http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:nRjewK0fCvwJ:answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20080729103848AApj0FU+jehovah%27s+witnesses+smurfs&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.36.191 (talk) 16:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban Legends 

message: Hello, I want to suggest adding my site about the upcoming movie - "The Smurfs" , since there is no official site for this movie I think that my site can do the work (temporary), site includes all updated information about the movie, and I will extend it in the near future.
The address is: http://www.thesmurfs.info/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.109.215 (talk) 21:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As it stands, your site has far too much advertising and far too little original information to meet the requirements of WP:EL. --McGeddon (talk) 10:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Smurfs Movie , External Link Suggestion

message: Smurfs are real you got to believe me they talk to me all the time especially in my sleep seriously this is not something to joke about they are REAL!!!! except when i see them they are normally green not blue the guy who made the show really messed up  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.179.150.105 (talk) 21:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Its a Smurf world 

message: Papa smurf is awsome but isn't he kind of a pimp? Common if you have so many kids you have created a village thats just not normal. I mean he has so many kids what else does he have time for other than making more? Doesn't papa smurf show any remorse to momma smurf? =[
 
icu Bonkyo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.96.23 (talk) 00:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Papa smurfs a pimp! 

message: In the North Carolina Department of Corrections, Officers, who wear a light blue shirt (which will change in 2009), are called Smurfs by the prison inmates.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.82.173.238 (talk) 17:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  North Carolina Department of Corrections 

message: The obfuscation of language through the global search and replace of nouns with smurf seems to be more characteristic of European (FR, NL) smurf cartoons, and not the English version. This section should be clearer on the matter. --Belg4mit (talk) 03:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smurf language 

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thread_title: WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required

message: :'In Schtroumpf vert et vert Schtroumpf, published in Belgium in 1972, it was revealed that the village was divided between North and South, and that the Smurfs on either side had different ideas as to whether the term "smurf" should be used as a verb or as a noun: for instance, the Northern Smurfs call a certain object a "bottle smurfer", while the Southern Smurfs call it a "smurf opener". Papa Smurf himself kept out of the argument, having more important things on his mind. But when the conflict led to all-out war, he had to use desperate measures to restore the natural smurf order. This story is considered a parody on the still ongoing taalstrijd (language war) between French- and Dutch-speaking communities in Belgium.[6]''
Surely the whole concept is a parody. You can't tell me that "schtroumpf" is French-sounding. Surely it represents the incomprehensible (to Francophone ears) Flemish borrowings punctuating some Belgians' French.
Prof Wrong (talk) 16:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What has the basis of the story "Schtroumpf vert..." to do with the origin of the word "schtroumpf"? There is no evidence that when Peyo and Franquin started "schtroumpfing", they thought about Flemish, German, or anything else. And even if that would be the case, it would not make "the whole concept" a parody, since there is nothing before the 1972 story (i.e. 14 years after the first appearance of the Smurfs) that could be seen as a link between the land of the Smurfs and Belgium: not their clothing, habits, adventures, social structure, ... I think it is more a case of hineininterpretierung than of any real concept. Fram (talk) 19:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parody on the taalstrijd...? 

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thread_title: C-Class rated for Comics Project

message: The creation of the name in Spanish may be bizarre, but not unexplainable. Acording to the Sapnish article, the name was based on the name of the once popular catalan magazine "Patufet" this being the traslation to catalan of the fairy tale charachter "Thumbling". The curios thing here is that the catalan version "barrufet", translated few years earlier, took the name from an actually existing fairy being from the ctalan popular culure. In fact there some people who have "Barrufet" as family name.
--217.130.252.50 (talk) 15:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Smurfs in other languages: Spanish "pitufos" 

message: Just wondering if it was a regional thing but I had never heard of smurfs before they were introduced in Hallmark card stores in the late (1979?) 70's or very early 80's. I remember there even was a spot one on the local news about them. Prior to that, I had never seen a smurf figurine or anything smurf in the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky U.S.A. area. Did Hallmark play a big role in introducing Smurfs to the U.S.A. and worth mention in the article or was it just a regional thing?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.42.16 (talk) 14:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's around the time they were made into a TV series.  The comics were not available in the US before... Mezigue (talk) 15:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hallmark cards and Smurfs in late 70's or early 80's

message: I'm no Smurf expert, but I think changes made today by 174.50.219.157 may be vandalism. That IP tampered with the Butterfinger page today too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Butterfinger#Christmas_Vandalism
Seán Hayes (talk) 03:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Vandalism 

message: I see there's ongoing talk about this page, so I don't want to come in green and make any major changes. But the "Smurfs on Ice" section has two paragraphs about absolutely different things. If anything, the second para about ice hockey would belong in a "In Popular Culture"-type section, or not on this page at all. The section is obviously meant to be about Smurf characters being represented in ice-based theatre.
Elguaponz (talk) 09:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Two very different types of Smurfs on Ice

message: The antisemitic claim is only backed up by a link to some unknown blog.
Is this really an expert opinion?
I can open up a blog too, and write there that the queen of england is in reality a robot. It must be true, I've written it on a blog.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.43.176 (talk) 15:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it really important what some guy with a blog thinks? 

message: "Schtroumpf" is nothing but German "Strumpf" (socks, )spelled to be
readable to a french reader. 
The Schtroumpfs wear "Strumpfhosen", "tights" (or pantyhose in AE) 
I think the German "Gartenzwerg" inspired those Schtroumpfs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.221.242.27 (talk) 11:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Les Schtroumpfs 

message: Is it worth mentioning the differences between how the smurfs are portrayed in different cultures?  I had a number of Smurf books when I moved from Europe, and one of the things that always bugged me in the U.S. was that the smurfs were so individual.  In all of my European material, you couldn't really tell one smurf from another except by behavior (with the exceptions of Papa, Brainy, and Smurfette).  In the Hanna-Barbera version, there were like 7 smurfs that showed up in every episode and everyone else was just background (kind of like red-shirts).  I thinks it speaks to the cultural differences in commercial appeal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.209.96.212 (talk) 16:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Dimorphism 

message: In modern corporate lingo, the continued repetition of corporate buzz words in place of more descriptive and accurate terminology may lead to an irritating effect known colloquially as "Smurfing". Smurfing occurs when audience members listening to the same word being tortured to death a thousand times over begin hearing the word "Smurf" or some contextually appropriate variation of "Smurf" such as "Smurfing" or "Smurfed" in place of the term being "Smurfed" by the speaker. The effect that this phenomenon has on members of mandatory corporate audiences can range from simple tittering to boughts of incontinence inducing laughter at the speaker's expense. Professional speakers can avoid being victims of this counterproductive phenomenon by simply proofreding their materials to look for needlessly repetitive terminology and then utilizing a thesaurus to edit their work. 
216.81.94.69 (talk) 18:48, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Language 

message: The article makes reference to a Grandma Smurf.  I don't recall ever seeing a Grandma Smurf, and no Grandma Smurf is listed on the Smurf character page.  Is this a mistake?  Gronteam  —Preceding undated comment added 07:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a Grandma Smurf also call Nanny  .--Crazy runner (talk) 11:43, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The character is listed on the Smurf character page.--Crazy runner (talk) 11:45, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grandma Smurf 

message: There have been a number of attempts over the years to discuss these elements in the Smurfs, see previous talk page discussions. The problem has been lack of reliable source. No more. A French sociologist (Academic Professor at a Paris University) has published a new book about it, as discussed in The Wall Street Journal. I would recommend this source be used in restoring some of this material to the article. Green Cardamom (talk) 23:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * I've added a section on it.  Feel free to contribute. -- Mecanismo | Talk 00:02, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *It looks good, but without sources (2nd and 3rd paragraph) it won't survive, a Smurf fan will remove it eventually. Needs staying power. Green Cardamom (talk) 05:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * I see what you mean.  Nonetheless, the 2nd and 3rd paragraph are taken from the two references I've quoted in that section, which anyone can check if they click on the links.  I haven't repeated the refs on the other paragraphs because it would end up clogging the reference section with the same link pasted 4 or 5 times.  If someone has a problem with that section, doesn't read the sources and complains that the accusations are baseless (which can only be said by those who don't follow the quotes) then we can copy/paste the references.  Yet, if a pair of independent quotes isn't enough to avoid criticism then I suspect that pasting dozens of links won't do it either -- Mecanismo | Talk 20:28, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

text: * Indeed I have now removed all this.  Not because I am a "Smurf fan" but because it is poorly written drivel.  Mezigue (talk) 11:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *The content of that section is directly and explicitly based from the work of those researchers quoted in the articles which were provided as reference.  There is no original research and it wasn't invented by me.  If someone has a problem with the sources then refute the sources, but don't go on censoring information just because you don't like it. -- Mecanismo | Talk 20:20, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

text:  Good lord, conspiracy theorists take on the Smurfs.  My edits are intended to make this a good article, not to "censor" anything.  Every major franchise will attract criticism of a more or less serious nature. Wikipedia does not have to give them give an undue soapbox.  Mezigue (talk) 09:45, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

text: * Mezigue, stop censoring the article.  Whether you realize it or not, your actions inadvertently amount to vandalism.  Whether you like it or not, you don't have the right to blank an article just because you don't like it.  Whether you believe it's conspiracy theory or not, it is an indissociable and important aspect of this series and had a well registered impact on popular culture.  So, stop blanking it and sop these surreptitious edits -- Mecanismo | Talk 17:38, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smurfs as racist, sexist, marxist, anti-semitic 

message: it is stated in the article that BP used the Smurfs for advertising. My memory has it that the Smurfs were used by National Petroleum although I have yet to find a reference. Alanthehat (talk) 19:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this claim cites no sources, so that is why I added a  tag to it and both the Smurfs cerial and Smurfs pasta claims. [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 23:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can remember the Smurfs being used by a retail oil company in Australia. BP is active here, but I've never heard of National Petroleum, so I'm pretty sure it was BP. Something deep in the those dark recesses tells me it was. As for a cite, well.... It was a long time ago. 1960s maybe. HiLo48 (talk) 23:31, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Definitely used by "National" here in the UK. I can't talk for other countries.  No idea where to find evidence, although I'm sure there are still stickers with the petrol brand on them at my (elderly) parents.. 18:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: section: Advertising

message: Only one section speaks about smurfette being "created" by the wizard but doesn't specify how or why. And As for the rest of the smurfs, there is no information about how they came into their fictional existence. They are humanoid but do not procreate like humans, so an explination is needed.
There is no explination offered as to why all the original smurfs are "male". More needs to be offered about their method of creation within their fictional universe. The movie says they were brought into existence simply by storks dropping them off. But Is there any detailed information about how papa smurf and the original smurfs supposedly came into their fictional existence? If so it needs to be included in this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gawdsmak (talk • contribs) 17:55, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Where baby Smurfs come from might be one of the major oddities about the Smurf universe, in my opinion. Sure, maybe a stork does drop off baby Smurfs. But how are the baby Smurfs created? Smurfette (who has her own Wikipedia article which details her creation; see also the article on the comic book The Smurfette) and Sassette were created by sorcery, and Nanny's origin is unclear. I would like to think that naturally-occuring female Smurfs have something to do with the baby Smurfs, :-) but I suppose that the only way to know for sure would be to get official information from Studio Peyo, or even Peyo himself if he happened to write about this stuff at one time. In the meantime, though, I suppose that we can just keep speculating. :-) Regards, {|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|} 19:46, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  little or nothing is written about how the smurfs were created within the fictional context 

message: Is the infobox for the television series necessary for this article? The television series' own article has an infobox.
Should this article even have either of its two infoboxes? This article seems to be about the characters and franchise overall, etc. The comic series and television series have their own articles with infoboxes. Are there any proper infoboxes for such a franchise as a whole that would fit this article?
Also, does anyone know what the template was that may have been used for the comic infobox on this article? It was apparently originally added by Dwanyewest on 22 May 2010 with this edit (and edited in subsequent edits by the same user), and later added to The Smurfs (comics) by the same user on 14 November 2010 with this edit. The infobox code on this article and that article is raw infobox code, not a transclusion like you would expect, so that user may have substituted the infobox template (or taken the time to write the raw code). Template:Infobox comic book title and Template:Infobox graphic novel come close, but do not seem to match.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
—{|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|} 20:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infoboxes 

message: Writers also are artists, OK?
201.79.201.157 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Observation...

message: Oh common, where are the pictures in this article about those funny beings wearing Phrygian caps? --178.197.224.190 (talk) 21:34, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally would rather have no pictures than the fan-made ones we have now. They don't do justice to the quality of the drawings of the comics, and can give a strange impression to people who don't know the Smurfs well enough. Opinions? Fram (talk) 06:27, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  No pictures? 

message: Is there some specific reason why the smurfs have a sort of high-speed warble to all their voices? They don't have steady-tone voices but rather it wobbles around. Papa smurf especially does this. The humans do not do this.
-- DMahalko (talk) 07:03, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smurf voice audio warble? (English)