Talk:Inclusion (education)

message: This page seriously lacks references.
:Agreed.  It also reads like a personal opinion essay. 
:Best,
:Rosmoran 09:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This

message: I think that the intro confuses the purpose of this article. Is it just about students with special needs (like learning disabilities) or those of minority identities that may be the target of subtle bias in the classroom??? Hparten (talk) 22:53, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: intro

message: Result:  No merge.  I have closed the merge proposal because there has been no support after six weeks from anyone except the nominator.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a merge request not a requested move as originally posted so I have added the appropriate headers.  Nonetheless, discuss away. —  AjaxSmack  02:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Feel free to state your position on the merge proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support - as nominator. Inclusion is simply another method of helping special needs students achieve their full potential.  Special education is about the methods of helping special needs students achieve their full potential.  It makes no sense to have another article for it.  It only confuses the whole thing.  It would make sense to have the inclusion article merged into the special education article. --Tigereyes92 (talk) 01:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge request

message: :Feel free to state your position on the merge proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support - as nominator. Inclusion is simply another method of helping special needs students achieve their full potential.  Special education is about the methods of helping special needs students achieve their full potential.  It makes no sense to have another article for it.  It only confuses the whole thing.  It would make sense to have the inclusion article merged into the special education article. --Tigereyes92 (talk) 01:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: It appears that the term inclusive school is generally used to mean "any school that practices Inclusion (education)."  Consequently, it's probably time to merge inclusive school into this article.  If anyone has any objections, please share your concerns.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:11, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be best to merge inclusion/mainstreaming to inclusive school. These two practices have the same goal, to help special needs students successfully transition to society. Esthertaffet (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mainstreaming is a different practice and a different philosophy from inclusion.  Mainstreaming (education) should not be merged into any inclusion-oriented article.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So can inclusion be merged into inclusive school? Or does it have to be inclusive school be merged into inclusion? Esthertaffet (talk) 20:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It could go either way, but "inclusion" seems to be used more frequently in the reliable sources.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done the merge.  Much clean up and copyediting work now needs to be done, as well as matching some of the references with the statements they support.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal:  [[Inclusive school]] 

message: Le gouvernement français se trouve, concernant le handicap, devant une situation particulière qui n'est pas du tout désespérée, mais qui nécessite « du punch ». Nous allons montrer quelques points développant cette remarque d'actualité en décrivant le contexte international puis national de la scolarisation des enfants handicapés. Voir l'article de COURTAULT Michel : Note sur la scolarisation des enfants handicapés Revue / Journal Title Pour   ISSN 0245-9442  Source / Source 2007, no195, pp. 30-36 [7 page(s) (article)] Langue / Language Français Editeur / Publisher Revue POUR - Groupe de recherche pour l'éducation et la prospective, Paris, FRANCE --Michel Courtault (d) 15 décembre 2009 à 17:38 (CET)--Michel Courtault (d) 15 décembre 2009 à 17:38 (CET)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.194.252.166 (talk) 14:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  article de COURTAULT Michel : Note sur la scolarisation des enfants handicapés 

message: I've re-brought-up the idea of merging this article with mainstreaming in education, but I already have a feeling I'm gonna encounter some resistance. According to what archives I've been able to come across here, there's a specific quote on the matter: 
:"Mainstreaming is a different practice and a different philosophy from inclusion. Mainstreaming (education) should not be merged into any inclusion-oriented article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  merging mainstreaming with educational inclusion 

message: Le gouvernement français se trouve, concernant le handicap, devant une situation particulière qui n'est pas du tout désespérée, mais qui nécessite « du punch ». Nous allons montrer quelques points développant cette remarque d'actualité en décrivant le contexte international puis national de la scolarisation des enfants handicapés. Voir l'article de COURTAULT Michel : Note sur la scolarisation des enfants handicapés Revue / Journal Title Pour   ISSN 0245-9442  Source / Source 2007, no195, pp. 30-36 [7 page(s) (article)] Langue / Language Français Editeur / Publisher Revue POUR - Groupe de recherche pour l'éducation et la prospective, Paris, FRANCE --Michel Courtault (d) 15 décembre 2009 à 17:34 (CET)--90.53.167.82 (talk) 17:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We would be happy to have information about special education in France added to these articles, but you must write in English on these pages.  If you need help with English, try the WP:EMBASSY.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:59, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: French

message: I think that we need to sort out our definitions again.  At least in the US, "fully mainstreamed" is an oxymoron.  By federal rules, a student must spend more than 50%, but less than 100%, of his time outside the general education classroom to be classified as mainstreamed -- and under federal rules, there's only the one definition.  Under scholarly definitions, the issue of intent is added, but these definitions still require that the student be removed from the general education classroom for at least a small amount of time.  Anyone who is never removed from the general education classroom is always called "included" (or "integrated", in some countries).
IMO there's no point in doing any further work here, until we can get these definitions sorted, so please show me sources that say, for example, that a student in a wheelchair with no cognitive differences, no need for special services, and no time outside the classroom is called "fully included" if the teacher has one attitude, but "fully mainstreamed" if the teacher has another attitude.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The proponents of mainstreaming is confusing the philosophy of inclusion to just the dictionary definition of inclusion.  This is probably why we can't write a neutral article on the philosophy of inclusion. Phoebe4545 (talk) 18:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Do we agree that it is possible for the same teacher, in the same school, to "fully include" a student who uses a wheelchair by placing that student in the regular classroom 100% of the school year, but to "mainstream" a student with mental retardation by placing that student in the regular classroom only during story time and physical education classes?  WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I have asked a question that can be fully answered with either "yes" or "no", and while you have responded here, nothing you've said actually answers my question.  Can you try again?  WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definitions 

message: What's the protocol for addressing invalid criticisms? I can see they can help balance wiki articles, but I consider many of the points listed here to be wrong.
MANY of the points in this article are wrong and outdated.  This is a terribly one sided definition of full inclusion!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristinsmith79 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticisms

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message: Building on the points made in the "Intro" section above, does this article make proper distinction between inclusion of students with varying levels of ability and the inclusion of (potential) students regardless of historical, ethnic, or socioeconomic background, etc? A lot of school authorities and authorities on them don't. Some states in the US refer to students needing additional support as well as gifted students as "exceptional", and accordingly classify gifted education as part of special education. Tyrekecorrea (talk) 18:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Kind of Inclusion? 

message: As long as this article is focused on the inclusion of students in the United States in general education, as a compliment to a comment I made on the tall page for Inclusive Classroom, this article doesn't differentiate between special education students who are placed in the general education classroom because of their ability to follow the general education curriculum without modification and those who are placed in general education classrooms despite their inability to do so, with the support of a special education teacher's presence making it easier to accommodate them.
Furthermore, it's not made clear that some schools and school systems utilize co-teaching and some don't, nor is their discussion about variation in the span of the special education served using said method. Tyrekecorrea (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification to strengthen article 

message: Doesn't it bother anyone else that this article exists along with an article on inclusion in the context of disability at level with the latter instead of being treated as a subclass of the former? Disability in the context of education is a component of life with disability as a whole, so logically, the concept of inclusion and education should be index under the umbrella of inclusion in the context of disability. An illogical exclusion on the subject of inclusion... It just bugs me. Tyrekecorrea (talk) 01:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Potential