Talk:Autism rights movement/Archive 4

message: The statement "Autism (especially High-functioning) is linked to poverty, depression, and suicide.", under "# 6.2 Responses from the movement... Further responses of the movement can be summarized as follows:..." seems to be really out of place. Since the responses listed seem to support the movement, this one just seems like it was placed there in a vandalism attempt. Thoughts? Nodnarb232001 07:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely out of place. I would guess that the "school-yard bully" treatment of anyone not deemed to be normal would be more likely to contribute to poverty, depression and [suicidal thoughts]. Of course, autistics would fall into the bully's definition of "abnormal" thus becoming prime targets as they are particularly unable to fight back. I would suggest that high-functioning autistics in this more (enlightened?) age are more likely to take their place as functioning members of society and I am sure that Frank Klein would agree with me there. JimScott 23:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement out of place/Deletion? 

message: Why does the autism movement wish to separate itself from feminism?
--Bronwyn Gannan 05:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This appears to be the opinion of some people in the movement, not the whole movement. I can't say much about it though since the person who wrote it did not include a reference. Q0 17:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps because autism is a medical condition while feminism is a social class movement born in the early 70's as our culture began to move from "What can we do for others?" to "What is in it for me?". Apples and oranges really. JimScott 22:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autism rights and feminism 

message: I find the following statement from the "Opposition to an alleged insultive view of autism" section confusing:
:However, perhaps the biggest myth has been the link between autism and the MMR vaccine.
I'm not sure what the statement claims is a myth about the MMR vaccine. Also, I don't know how this statement fits within the greater context of the particular section. Q0 05:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I attempted to clarify the statement. Cheyinka 03:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement about MMR vaccines 

message: It seemed empty so I've expanded on the continued debate section but it seems it might be better combined with History or to put a history section in the top of criticisms and controversy.
User:Johngagon 14:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continued debate 

message: Why is this article so incredibly long? For something that gets "hundreds of signatures," does it really deserve an article longer than that on the Gay Rights Movement? Kingcobweb 11:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Make the Gay Rights Movement article longer then. Well written and informative articles like this one shouldn't be shortened just because other articles aren't as long. Shadowoftime 19:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, the Gay Rights Movement article has a short opposition section that has a main article tag to the LGBT rights opposition article. In the autism rights movement article, the controversy and criticsm section is in the main article. If controversy/critism was split off into a daughter article, the main article would be shorter. Q0 10:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Length

message: I have removed the following from the article:
:Autism can be considered to be a genetic gift, as it has been shown that brilliant minds are often linked to autism.  Famous autists include Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, an the poet W. B. Yeats.  This can all be explained in a book entitled- In Autism and Creativity:  Is There a Link Between Autism in Men and Exceptional Ability.  Note that autism in women is often under diagnosed.
This was in the introductory section, and this paragraph does not describe material relavent to an introduction to the movement. In addition, famous people speculated to have been autistic is already mentioned in the article, so this new information is redundant. It also seems to suggest that Einstein, Newton, and Yeats are undisputably autistic. However, it is necessary to say that some people have disputed such claims, per Wikipedia's Neutral point of view policy. Q0 09:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember when Einstein (along with Every Artist Ever) was bipolar, and for a brief period he was schizophrenic. I also remember when Mozart had Tourette syndrome because he wrote scatological humor. Psychiatric texts at least used to talk about saints who had visions as having "psychotic breaks", and Van Gogh has been diagnosed with just about everything. There are people over on Songfacts who seriously believe John Lennon had ADHD because he had an interest in a wide variety of subjects, and on and on. It seems that retroactively diagnosing famous people with the disease du jour doesn't make a lot of sense. Should it be in articles about autism at all? --Bluejay Young 04:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: People speculated to have been autistic

message: There are related links placed in the Autism article that should have been placed here. I have added them to the bottom of the external links list. Malangthon 00:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Relocated Links

message: Being that userboxes are beginning to be one of my perseverations I created one, see what you think. 
--Bluejay Young 02:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fabulous!  I'm going to add it to my page. best regards, Jim Butler(talk) 08:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Userbox

message: I found these templates that might be appropriate to add to the article. One of them already includes autism rights movement in it. However, I'm not sure if the size of one of them will cause it to be distracting. I'm also unsure if they should be placed at the top or bottom of the page. What does everyone else think? Q0 20:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that  is appropriate for the article, considering that it links to the article and is thus part of the series. I would put it in the "issues" section, right between "==Issues==" and "The movement has a number of issues". That seems like a topically appropriate place, and there's no sidebar or pictures there now so it shouldn't be distracting or "busy". The other template seems appropriate but I'm not sure where to put it; that might be clearer after the first is placed. — coelacan — 23:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates 

message: *Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 3#Category:People with autistic spectrum disorders -- Can "People on the autistic spectrum" be an acceptable name for this category? Currently only three people have commented; the discussion needs more voices. — coelacan — 23:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I felt that the article was properly named and wish that I had seen the change request going around in time to comment on it. Well-meaning, highly-functional Autistics like Frank Klein and Jim Sinclair can deny that this is a disorder until they are blue in the face. As the primary caregiver of one who is not so fortunate, the idea that this is anything but a disorder is ludicrous. Although an Autistic child is what he is (for better or for worse), that does not mean that we investigating how Autism occurs and what, if anything, can be done to prevent it. True love for an Autistic child goes far beyond the current generation's obsession with "What's in it for me?" Love also sees generations ahead; as in "What will happen to my [grand]child when I am gone? Will he end back up locked crying in his bedroom as he was when I found him and took him in?" JimScott 17:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  proposed category renaming 

message: Why was the link to CIBRA removed from the list of Self-Advocacy Sites? JimScott 17:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIBRA 

message: Doesn't the following section violate WP:BLP pretty severely?  There's not a single reliable source, and it's titled Speculation - at minimum without citation it's original research.  The only source that's still running, neurodiversity, doesn't really meet my understanding of a reliable source, particularly not for living persons.  WLU 18:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP 

message: Let me see:
*sections 1 to 5 are openly anti-cure. No problem, if it weren't for the fact that
*the only supposedly pro-cure section (6.1 'criticism') is laughably short, obviously written by an anti and full of counter-arguments (which should be reserved for section 6.2) and 
*section 6.2 ('responses from the movement') is twice as long as 6.1.
I have Asperger's, so you can conclude from that what you will. 84.53.74.196 21:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV, I mean 

message: While the Autistics rights movement dose have some serious issues to complain about I think their over reacting, I mean really a cure for autism, that’s neurologically impossible like curing asthma or diabetes or epileptics you just can’t do it, all you do is find the most effective treatments possible to help the people interact with standard society and ease difficulties in their lives, and I don’t think thay would really hae reservations about that.
--J intela 22:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overeaction 

message: This part made no sense to me:
The schism appears to be between difference and disability, not disability and disease.  The wording may be the result of vandalism, with the original word being difference. In any case, I removed it and copyedited the surrounding text. --elmindreda (talk) 06:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in this section, by the way. --elmindreda (talk) 06:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disability vs. disease? 

message: With the recent media attention surrounding calls for the retraction of a certain ad campaign, I think the Autistic Self-Advocacy Network (ASAN) would be sufficiently notable for addition. --elmindreda (talk) 11:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding ASAN to Organized groups