Talk:Guelphs and Ghibellines

message: Does anyone think this should be split into two articles? I was going to do it that way originally, but all the info about them is usually found together rather than split apart. The French wikipedia has Guelfes and Gibelins though, so it could be done...(or the French ones could be joined, I don't know). Adam Bishop 01:36, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: There is - "Dante was among the supporters of the White Guelphs, and in 1302 was exiled when the Black Guelphs took control of Florence." Dante also links here, although via two redirects from separate Guelphs and Ghibellines links. Adam Bishop 21:00, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  Need to clean those contact lenses, sorry. orthogonal 22:39, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Split?

message: If anyone wants to see what Spenser wrote in the "The Shepheardes Calender" on Guelphs/Ghibellines and Elfs/Goblins, it's now available here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Shepheardes_Calender/June -- AnonMoos (talk) 23:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: 2024

message: Wasn't "Guelph" the maiden name of Queen Victoria? Therefore wouldn't the Guelphs survive down to this day, as the Windsors? There is a city in Canada named Guelph, and I thought it got its name from this connection.
:It's not really her "maiden name", but she belonged to the Hannover-Welf-Este dynasty, so the word "Guelph" (i.e. Welf) could be used as a tribute to the 1714-1901 British monarchy... AnonMoos 14:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Guelph, Ontario]]

message: So which parts come from the EB 1911, & which from the Catholic Encyclopedia? (I ask because, all else equal, I'm more likely trust the EB on its facts than the Catholic Encyclopedia.) Has there been any important research on this aspect of Italian history since the early 20th century? -- llywrch (talk) 00:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on the article 

message: most parts of the article are not referenced, and it would be good to provide at least some few works covering the topic. -- 141.20.16.42 (talk) 16:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  more references 

message: Someone who knows should add the IPA pronunciations of the words, though I'm assuming that the Gs are both silent.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 04:26, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Both "hard" (IPA [g]), rather... AnonMoos (talk) 13:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Might be a better example, because the color of the chief and the main color of the field are different... AnonMoos (talk) 17:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Italian family coat of arms with Guelph-style heraldic "chief"

message: I don't know whether Ezra Pound wrote "Jew" or "jew", but the idea that he would refuse to capitalize the word unfortunately has some plausibility... AnonMoos (talk) 16:07, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You're kind of missing the point -- Pound's "translations" could be quite loose (see Propertius), and if Pound chose to disregard English capitalization conventions in some cases, then Wikipedia should report this accurately... AnonMoos (talk) 10:35, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Ezra Pound: "Jew" or "jew"?

message: The section about white and black Guelphs could be expanded, I think a whole new article digging deeper into their story is necessary. They defined Italian politics for several of the most important decades of the Middle Ages and are the background for all of Dante's work, be it the De Monarchia or the Divine Comedy.Kapiski (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: White and Black Guelphs

message: Although Dante is mentioned twice in the article, nothing is said about this conflict being a major element in the Divine Comedy. Just wondering if that deserves mention, along with "in heraldry" and "the arts". PurpleChez (talk) 19:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a whole detailed literary references section until removed in this edit: ... -- AnonMoos (talk) 18:35, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Divine Comedy 

message: "During the 12th and 13th centuries, rivalry between these two parties dominated political life across medieval Italy. The struggle for power between the Papacy and the Holy Roman Empire arose with the Investiture Controversy, which began in 1075 and ended with the Concordat of Worms in 1122."
How does a controversy that "ended" in 1122, continue in the 13th century???
seems like some editing is needed. NockDrawLoose (talk) 00:07, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be saying that the Investiture Controversy of 1075-1122 was the beginning of the struggle between papal and imperial parties, a struggle which dominated Italian poltical life during the 12th and 13th centuries... AnonMoos (talk) 03:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  1122 vs. 13 century