Talk:Poom Jensen

message: Are there reliable sources stating BJ was suffering under autism? Rabauz 21:43, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Dear Reader,
I have interpreted that this article mentions that Khun Bhumi Jensen was riding on a jetski during the time that the waves struck and his bodyguards were unable to reach him.  Here is a direct quotation from the article: "Bhumi Jensen was at the beach jet skiing, and his bodyguards were unable to reach him."
I am not sure if this statement is correct, as the comment made by Princess Ubol Rattana Rajakanya (his mother) in the Bangkok Post on I believe it was the 28th, claimed that he was on the beach, not on a jetski.  Could someone please correct this article?  Thank you
The article says he was at the beach jet skiing, not that he was actually on a jet ski at the time the tsunami hit. I based this article on the Bangkok Post and The Nation websites. Adam 08:39, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual Error? 

message: The Thai spelling of his name is พุ่ม เจนเซ่น, which according to Royal Thai General System of Transcription (using ) transcribes to "Phum". In the autograph at Pantip  he wrote himself as "Poom". I don't know from which source the "Bhumi" originates. His last name is no problem, as that one is originally in roman letters already. The transcription of Thai to Roman letters is a pain, there are hunderts of systems, thus it's not easy to decide on one spelling - but definitely the article shouldn't be at something like Khun Poom Jensen as Khun just means "Mister" - we don't have Mister Bill Gates or President George Bush either. I just moved it back from such. andy 10:39, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Poom (พุ่ม) is a well-known name, but not a real name. His real name is Bhumi (ภูมิ), spells ภ with bh because ภูมิ comes from Pali-Sanskrit (like HM King Bhumibol Adulyadej). -- PaePae 13:22, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So I was just confused by that page on Pantip using the nickname only. So it seems the article is correctly placed at Bhumi Jensen. andy 21:55, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: I have again reverted the reference to "beloved Ubol Rattchana." It may well be true that she is beloved, but whether it is true or not, it is unencyclopaedic to put the term "beloved" in front of someone's name in an article. It would be legitimate to say at the Ubol Rattana Rajakanya article that "Ubol Rattana is beloved by the Thai people" if that is the anon user's view. The anon user says at my Talk page that the whole Thai Royal Family is beloved, but I notice he does not describe the Crown Prince as "beloved." In fact it is well known that he is not beloved, or even much liked. I have spoken to Thais about this, and they agree that the Royal Family, or most of it, is widely respected and indeed loved by most Thais. But they also know that the cult of the Royal Family was manufactured by past military regimes to bolster their legitimacy, and that the current affection for the Royals may not long outlive the current King and Queen. In the long run Royal cultism is not healthy in a democratic country. So this is a complex political and historical question, and cannot be addressed just be describing people as "beloved." Adam 05:39, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Beloved Princess

message: The Anon User Agrees that the Crown Prince is not beloved and the Anon User choses to no longer pursue the "beloved" issue with beloved Princess Ubolrat.
As a Thai who has lived in the West for many years, however, I am disappointed that you bring criticism of the Royal Family into your rationale for your decision for/against "beloved."
I am an American now and as such, like you, I no longer believe in "Royal cultism."  We should not be bringing our value judgements to the table when reporting on the royal family.  Whether or not it is good for Thai democracy, the "Royal Cult" exists in Thai.  It is not our place in reporting on it to omit it for the sake of saving the Thai people from the dangers of Royal cultism.
A closing thought.  Had I chosen to place the word "reviled" in front of the words "crown prince" in pieces about him would you have removed them as well?  [Anonymous Thai-American] 10:12 EST, 16 Jan 2005
:Most definitely. On your general points, I did not delete "beloved" because I have any criticisms to make of the Thai Royals. I think on the whole their influence has been beneficial since the 1970s (although it is worth remembering that from 1934 to 1973 they served only as a facade for military rule). I deleted it because it is unencyclopaedic to describe anyone as "beloved" or "reviled" in such a manner. Adam 05:35, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More on the Beloved Princess

message: I tossed some quick facts (without links) about Peter Ladd Jensen up on a page for him.  Feel free to remove the word "beloved."
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Please stop making anonymous contributions to this page. It is very easy to become a registered user. Adam 05:35, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree with Adam that the word "beloved" don't belong into this article, I strongly disagree with the second statement. There is no policy disallowing anonymous edits, as otherwise anonymous editing would be switched on in the software. Of course anonymous editors are encouraged to create user accounts, but this not mandatory! andy 06:45, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Where is the article on Peter Ladd Jensen, Adam? It´s defimitely not (Sydney´s Anglican Archbishop) Peter Jensen. Ié been unable to find any mention of PLJ except in connection with his former wife. Peter Ellis 20:06, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He is an American who met Ubol in the early 70s(?) while they were both at MIT.  I have met him several time but I know little about him.  --AStanhope 20:13, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Peter Ladd Jensen

message: Unfortunately, the Bangkok Post has deleted the 7 January letter from its system. I have tried to find a copy elsewhere, and failed; a sentnce only was preserved in a Google cache. The originator of the entry (I think User:Adam Carr) might like to look for another, and hopefully more durable, article or link. Peter Ellis 20:06, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO, the Bangkok Post's website operation is stuck in 1997 web amateur hour. --AStanhope 20:17, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Okay. I see what happened, Adam. Itś also the reason that Ie caught on to the indentation by using the colon at the head of the para. Peter Ellis 14:16, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: I know several people like this at various levels of functin; I travelled by public bus with one today, and it can be both tiring and exhilerating to participate in a conversation with them. Peter Ellis 14:16, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: You are definitely spoiled by the Wiki principle. "Normal" websites don't keep their history. Sometimes google still has an old version in their cache until they recrawl the site. archive.org crawls websites maybe once a month, but they publish their cache with one year delay, and who knows if they catched that article. The other english newspaper of Thailand The Nation keeps a complete archive... andy 09:29, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bangkok Post link

message: Is his father former husband or former American?Dahn 22:42, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Former"

message: Apparently, Princess Ubol Ratana has established an educational trust fund in memory, and with money coming from the death of, her son, Khun Poom. My Isan step-grandson has just been awarded 15,000 Baht a year from this fund, and I would like to know more about it than the garbled account I get from my wife and his teachers! Pawyilee 09:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Khun Poom Trust Fund

message: Why was the picture of Khun Poom changed? Why should it not revert to the original, formal photo? Pawyilee 13:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: I've proposed a change at Talk:Sirikitiya Jensen#Lede
and would like to harmonize it here. Their honorific titles are the same, and both their names are similar to, but not the same, as their maternal grandparents - the latter would violate Thai law on Royal names. --Pawyilee (talk) 11:22, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions and honorific  

message: Thai names do in fact change for a variety of reason, both during life and after death, but a change like this needs some explanation as to when and why, and citation(s) are needed. Instigated by Poom, himself, while he was alive, or after his death, by whom and why? What court or judge agreed to or ordered change, and in what jurisdictions does it apply, US, Thai or world wide? Does it also apply to birth and death records? If changed because it was too similar to royal name and so violated Thai law, then that would also apply to his sister's name. If changed by royal decree, when was it published and where?  Do remember this also affects his sister! --Pawyilee (talk) 12:41, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I was under the impression this was quite common knowledge in Thailand, but reliable sources are harder to find than I'd thought. This page reproducing an article from Kom Chad Leuk quotes Princess Ubolratana saying the name change was suggested by the King in order to alleviate Khum Poom's illness (not sure if this refers to his autism). It's implied here that his birth name was regarded as being somewhat unlucky or jinxed. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

text: PS Since his name is a normal given name (he doesn't hold a royal title) no royal decree was necessary. This was long before his death in the tsunami but I don't know exactly when. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poom change citations  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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message: His mother decided to leave a royal title long time ago, therefor he could not in the House of Mahidol. I am not so sure either. Anyone can confirm? --Polyesterchips (talk) 13:22, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  House of Mahidol?