Talk:Rich Mullins

message: A "birthright Quaker" is someone from a long line of Quakers on both sides of the family.  Richard is frequently referred to as a "birthright" Quaker, but to be correct we do not want to say he is unless he is registered as such with the Arba Friends Meeting.  With one parent being of Quaker lineage and one not, this would be exceptional.  In the strictest traditional Quaker meetings, songs are not sung or accompanied on instruments during worship.  Worship time is for the most part silent time.  Each person approaches worship in their own way.  People rise to speak or pray as moved by the Spirit.  This raises the question of where Richard got his early exposure to "Christian music"--the traditional hymns of the Church.  Quakers don't baptize or practice other sacraments practiced in many denominations.  Richard claimed he was baptized in the third grade.  The question arises: in what church was he baptized, since Quakers don't practice baptism?  Richard was baptized in the church of his father's family, the Independent Christian Church.  Quakers are extremely amenable to and respectful of individuals' religious preferences and experiences.  They do not discontinue association with those who embark on a spiritual journey that leads to other church affiliations.  As his mother pointed out in discussing his later interest in Catholicism, his Quaker background would have only encouraged him to find commonality with other faiths.  Smith addresses this in his book. 
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thread_title:  RE: A few Notes on Quakers

message: Where is it in this article? Sontra 22:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: NPoV 

message: Regarding your question about the source for this page.  Most of this was probably taken from one of the linked websites.  The language is familiar - it may be from one of the CCM articles about Rich after his death. There isn't really anything on this page that I haven't seen before. I can tell you that several of the quotes are from the Lufkin, Texas concert that is available on video. (By the way, I was at that concert.) I came to this site because I caught the tail end of a discussion thread about this on the Rich Mullins discussion group.  Do you know what they are up in arms about?
Martymar 01:42, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re; question 

message: Some of those relases are compilations and should be separated or identified in some way as compilations. --Walter Görlitz 21:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: A source for the quotes would be good.  Coffeeboy 20:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: who has recored the album "here in america" released in 2003? Martious 21:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: here in america

message: This article keeps getting changed from referring to "Step By Step" (performed on The World As Best... volume 1) with the reason that Mullins didn't write it.  It should not be changed unless the context of the statement is changed.  As it stands it doesn't try to purport that Mullins wrote both songs, or even that they were his biggest hits, only that those are the ones for which he "is best known".
This was changed again.  It's not a mistake.  "Step By Step" is the title of the praise chorus.  "Sometimes By Step" was written later and incorporated the same chorus, and although the latter may have received more radio airtime, the original chorus is still far more widely known, particularly in the context of the statement as it stands.  Please don't change it back. HokieRNB 17:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that mistaken edit, Hokie.  I should have checked the discussion page first, but was completely unaware that the chorus was separate from the song and just assumed a wrong title.  I modified it again in a way that should clarify the difference and prevent future mistaken edits like mine.  It might need further modification for clarity though, as the link for "Awesome God" points to the page for the song rather than to one specific to the chorus.  --  Aubee91 (talk) 00:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Step By Step

message: The external link "Obituary at Catholic World News" is no longer valid.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.253.124.99 (talk) 03:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Broken Link

message: The statement "At the time of his death, Rich was planning to convert to Roman Catholicism." appears to be in significant dispute.
The only biography of Rich's life, "An Arrow Pointing to Heaven" says,
Though Rich was drawn to Catholicism, he had trouble with some of its teachings.  He went through seven months of catechism, but in the end he chose not to convert.An Arrow Pointing to Heaven, James Bryan Smith, p54
and quotes his sister, Debbie,
A lot of people ask if he was becoming Catholic.  I tell them he wasn't becoming anything but God's.An Arrow Pointing to Heaven, James Bryan Smith, p55
It also directly quotes Rich,
A lot of the stuff which I thought was so different between Protestants and Catholics [was] not, but at the end of going through an RCIA [Right of Christian Initiation for Adults] course, I also realized that there are some real and significant differences.  I'm not sure which side of the issues I come down on.  My openness to Catholicism was very scary to me because, when you grow up in a church where they don't even put up a cross, many things were foreign to me.  I went to an older Protestant gentleman that I've respected for years and years, and I asked him, "When does faithfulness to Jesus call us to lay aside our biases and when does it call us to stand beside them?"  His answer to me was that it is not about being Catholic or Protestant.  It is about being faithful to Jesus.  The issue is not about which church you go to, it is about following Jesus where He leads you.Radio Interview with Artie Terry, "The Exchange," WETN, Wheaton, Ill., April 1997, quoted in An Arrow Pointing to Heaven, James Bryan Smith, p54
What's the best way to correct this to recognize the dispute?  Th3073ch (talk) 01:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe just with a simple explanation that he had considered conversion followed by "On the topic Mullens stated:" and the long third quote encapsulated in one of the quotation templates like cquote. That way he speaks for himself, which - like a picture, is worth 1000 words of commentary. Dan, the CowMan (talk) 06:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Your addition was removed for copyright reasons. Also, the primary sources would not be enough. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:35, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

text: That's not how :WP:RS works. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:46, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then please clarify for me how it works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.175.131 (talk) 05:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read WP:RS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conversion to Catholicism? 

message: There is significant evidence that Rich Mullins had indeed made definite plans to convert to the Catholic Church at the time of his death. This link http://richmullinspirituality.blogspot.com/p/letter-from-father-matt.html?spref=bl <ref> details a letter from his Catholic spiritual director, Fr. Matt McGuinness that Rich had made an appointment with (now) Archbishop Paul Coakley to make a general confession of his life on Saturday, Sept. 20, 1997, the day after his death, and he was scheduled to receive the Catholic sacraments of Confirmation and First Communion on Sunday, Sept. 21, 1997 at the Newman Center at Wichita State University. Archbishop  Coakley has publicly confirmed that this is true, and no one is disputing these facts. Also, during the last couple weeks of his life, while Mullins was staying at the home of the Kruse family in Elgin Illinois, he told Mrs. Kruse and other members of the family of his plans to convert to Catholicism. According to Peter Kruse, "Rich spent the last 3 weeks of his life at my parent's house. He told us he was becoming Catholic. My mom asked if Rich would worship Mary now. He dryly and sarcastically responded, "Yes"."  http://richmullinspirituality.blogspot.com/2011/02/would-rich-mullins-have-become-catholic.html <ref>  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.175.131 (talk) 04:11, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Your addition was removed for copyright reasons. Also, the primary sources would not be enough. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:35, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

text: That's not how :WP:RS works. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:46, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then please clarify for me how it works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.175.131 (talk) 05:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read WP:RS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: A quick references section, make comments on this topic above it

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message: This song was originally written by Beaker and recorded by Rich, released under the title "Step by Step" on Volume 1 of "The World as Best as I Remember It". Although the later song that incorporated this praise chorus probably got more airplay, it is the original that is referenced here. HokieRNB 13:04, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "Sometimes by Step" was released on the next album, The World as Best as I Remember It: Volume 2, and was a single. It was also released on the Songs compilation. "Step by Step" was not released as a single and does not appear on subsequent recordings. That is why it and not the earlier recording is referenced here. I agree that the chorus only is probably better know and the verses that were added to "Sometimes by Step" are likely unknown today. I recognize that it was already being sung as a chorus in some congregations when Vol. 2 was released, and the reprise on Vol. 2 only contains only the chorus. Since the sentence only reads "songwriter best known for his worship songs", I'll restore "Step by Step". Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:16, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: And it does appear on subsequent recordings - most notably Awesome God: A Tribute to Rich Mullins (as performed by Caedmon's Call) and Songs 2. HokieRNB 21:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Step by Step" redux 

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message: There is no Thailand-Chinese border. Thailand says "Thailand is bordered to the north by Myanmar and Laos, to the east by Laos and Cambodia, to the south by the Gulf of Thailand and Malaysia, and to the west by the Andaman Sea and the southern extremity of Myanmar." Could some other country be meant? --GRuban (talk) 19:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be. It could also be an error on the subject's part, but the reference should be corrected and the statement should be clarified. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thailand-Chinese border? 

message: This article takes special care to specify that Mullins was already dead when he was struck by a semi, but then it links to two different newspaper stories that claim being hit by the semi was what killed him.  Was he killed instantly after he was thrown from the jeep he was in, or was he killed by a truck strike after being thrown from the jeep? 2600:1700:8870:27C0:38B6:DDB2:BD59:85BD (talk) 18:12, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: According to his death certificate and autopsy, Mullins was killed instantly when he was thrown from the jeep. 68.12.172.182 (talk) 21:33, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Precise Manner of Death