Talk:Alvars

message: This needs a cleanup, and the articles on Nayanars and South India's 75 Apostles of Bhakti, as well as other related articles have to be editted into coherence. As of now, all these articles have redundant information, and information that's in the wrong place. Thevaram and Thiruvaachagam have to be put in Nayanars and not Alvars, and a listing of all the alvars might make more sense. Also, more info on their compositions and deeds. Same goes for the Nayanars article, and I think that the "South India..." article has to be totally redone (and renamed). Nayanars is linked up with the rest of the Hinduism topics, and this one should be too.
- shash 13:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: Please verify once.Andal birth Place not Sri Villiputhur in past.thats
Tiru Villiputhur while her time period.After non Tamil kings ruled Tamilnadu they changed some city names "Tiru in to Sri".Example.
Tiruvarangam-srirangam,Tiruperumputhur-sriperumputhur.Like Tiruvilliputhur-srivilliputhur.Any way what ever may it is,but while  Writing the article dont forget to mention the original name.Even now also it is called Tiruvilliputhur.[]Eshwar.om (talk) 10:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alvars; their place, month and star of birth not correct?Places not correctly mention. 

message: While traditional Hindus may disagree with the academic dates given for the Alvars, it is important to have both the traditional and academic accounts on this page. Do not remove the dates given just because you believe them to be incorrect. This is not a place for a singular world view to be endorsed over another: this is an encyclopedia for users of all backgrounds.
Iṣṭa Devata (talk) 17:48, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please know the difference between vandalism and non vandalism before you throw out the word vandalism like trash. It is common that your so called "academic dates" have got no evidence, and it is well maintained in the article, just read Some modern scholars suggest that they lived during 5th - 9th century, although such estimates lack evidence. Bladesmulti (talk) 17:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This article promotes traditional dating, 4200 BCE - 2700 BCE and rubbishes the modern scholarly view. "Some modern scholars suggest that they lived during 5th - 9th century, although such estimates lack evidence" is an example of the POV pushing. "Ancient India: Collected Essays on the Literary and Political History of Southern India", by Sakkottai Krishnaswami Aiyangar, p. 403-404 which is used as the reference for the traditional dates, clearly gives the scholarly dating on further pages. E.g. traditional date of Thirumangai Alvar is 2706 BCE (pp. 403-4); but is dated to 7-8th century CE (p. 409-10).--Redtigerxyz  Talk  18:05, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: While traditional would remain traditional. While the view that is held by some modern estimate would be inserted as Some scholars holds that.. Without pointing any situation of evidence. What you would suggest?  Bladesmulti (talk) 18:12, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:   Chari clearly says that "Modern scholars have questioned these dates and assigned a period ranging from the 5th to the 9th centuries AD on the basis of a few historical evidences." Then after discussing Dr. N. Subba Reddiar dates. Chari says "Even these dates lack clear historical evidence". It does not say it is NO evidence, which POV the article forwards "such estimates lack evidence".--Redtigerxyz  Talk  18:15, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes he talked about the historical evidence. I have removed the same from other line. Bladesmulti (talk) 18:18, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

text: "Modern scholars have questioned these [traditional] dates and assigned a period ranging from the 5th to the 9th centuries on the basis of a few historical evidences. There is no unanimity among them regarding the dates" (p.11) [...] "... in all probability the Alvars belong to the period ranging from the 5th to the 8th centuries" (p.13.
"such estimates lack evidence" is a personal opinion, not a correct paraphrsing of the source. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:25, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

text: Thanks guys, I added the academic dates a while back and certain users have been compelled to remove them. Is there any chance of restoring my references for the date or adding new ones? I'm worried that if I do so it will get reverted again.
Iṣṭa Devata (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have checked correctly, we have already extended that part of the article, as well as few others where the information had no citations. Bladesmulti (talk) 02:03, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dating 

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message: Hi, Wikipedians. I tried to find the source of the mythological origins of the Alvars, the debate between Agastya and Vishvakarma over the languages, the whole incarnation tale, the whole nine yards. I was unable to find anything about this legend. It's not on the Tamil Wiki either. If any of you guys are able to offer sufficient references for this legend, and also rewrite the grammatical mess that it currently is, I would greatly appreciate it. Good luck! Chronikhiles (talk) 08:24, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional origins