Talk:Lands of Sweden

message: What is the source of the statement that Svealand and Götaland were kingdoms? When was there ever a "king of Götaland" and what would his name have been? Each province (Västergötland, Östergötland, Uppland, Södermanland) had its own law for some time even after a single king of Sweden ruled the united country, until the first nationwide law of king Magnus appeared in 1350. My impression is that this article wishes to establish these "lands" as factual units, when I think it should leave a lot more to doubt. 
:Hi. I took the liberty to give your post a headline. We still miss your signature though? RhinoMind (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingdoms? 

message: Should this article be called Historic Lands of Sweden or the Lands of historic Sweden? On a more genereal note, it is interesting to see how many Swedens, Swedish lands, Swedish provinces and Swedish realms there are in the English wikipedia. Usually, in a work of reference there is only one article on a geographical area or a socio-political entity with possible subarticles about its history. Clarifer 08:36, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A move seems very reasonable, to avoid confusion. I can not say which version is best though. / Habj 13:33, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaming the article?

message: As far as I know, "Sveriges, Götes och Vendes Konung" means "King of the Swedes, Goths [?], and Wends." The paragraph began with "An interpretation has been made that...", making the entire thing unverifiable. I could be wrong, though...any ideas?
: Here is a discussion on the topic. Maybe it clarifies the thing? Alx-pl D 15:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really read Swedish; I only know a few words, so I don't know what that says. Ardric47 02:30, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Recently, I've been seeing more references to the Svears, Götars, and Vends possibly different from the Swedes, Goths, and Wends, so perhaps that information should be added back in some form. Ardric47 03:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Svears, Götars and Vends 

message: The only source for the border of Norrland being at Oulujoki that I have found, is in Nordisk familjebok . "I följande tider ansågs N:s gräns å finska sidan vara vid Uleå älf, men har nu i mer än tre århundraden utgjorts af Torneå älf2 - "In the following times [after 1433, if I understand the text correctly] the Norrland border of the Finnish side was considered to be at Oulujoki, but since more than three hundred Torneå älv has been considered as this border." 
A more common notion is Norrland's border in Finland being at Kemijoki, which is quite far north (it runs out to the sea some 20 - 30 km from the border to Sweden). It is quite easy finding sources saying that Västerbotten met Ostrobothnia (Österbotten) at Kemijoki, and this was considered the border between Finland and Sweden.  
Most of the Google hits for österland norrland svealand götaland 
seems to be derived from the Wikipedia article, and of the others most seem to use the concepts differently. I wonder what the sources are for this definition. I suppose it has existed at one time or another, but definately not from old time till 1809. Info on the sources regarding these four lands would be great. / Habj 19:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources and time line regarding these four lands 

message: :The town of Stockholm, which became the Swedish capital mostly because it was centrally located in Sweden of its medieval boundaries (i.e. the brightest area on the map) now became situated at the eastern border.
This text seems artificial and badly justified to me. Can we have any verifiable sources for it? The reasons behind selection of Stockholm are far more trivial - it is within the Svea proper, is on the coast (thus good for international trade), is well connected with the interior through the lake Melaren and guards the entrance to the lake, etc. Yes, later Sweden may have benefitted from the good position of the city with relation to the Österland, but I personally would not consider this as main decision factor. There is also a very interesting tale retold by Selma Lagerlöf which again does stress on city's trade and military beneftis and not on its position. -- Goldie (tell me) 07:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for selection of capital 

message: The second map showing "The lands of Sweden before Finland was lost to Russia (1809)" is incorrect in that Värmland is depicted as part of Svealand in 1809. It did not change from the jurisdiction of the Göta court of Appeal to the Svea court of Appeal until 1815, and had until that year without doubt been counted as part of Götaland. 82.182.98.96 (talk) 16:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Born and raised in Sweden I have never heard about that. Which is your source for the statement that Värmland "without doubt was counted as part of Götaland". I do not think that the the jurisdictions of the Courts of appeal have much to do with that. I would call it a "wiki factoid". I cannot find anything about that in ordinary Swedish encyclopaedias. Do you have a good source for Värmland being "transferred" from Götaland to Svealand after 1815? It would be very interesting. --Vedum (talk) 18:04, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Värmland