Talk:Charles Chiniquy

message: I added the  in August 2013. It was removed but the source fails to support the claim about  The cited page failed verification. It does not claim to be , only that it was the "First board of trustees" of that particular corporation. No claim is made on that page that others had not used that name before. I added the  again, with the old date. —BoBoMisiu (talk) 22:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first of what was to be called the Christian Catholic Church 

message: Hi there
I didn't really understand this part of the article...
Maybe it could be made a bit clearer?
"Chiniquy claimed that he was falsely accused by his superiors (and that Abraham Lincoln had come to his rescue), that the American Civil War was a plot against the United States of America by the Vatican, and that the Vatican was behind the Confederate cause, the death of President Lincoln and that Lincoln's assassins were faithful Roman Catholics ultimately serving Pope Pius IX."
ThanksJemmy2006 (talk) 08:52, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding of it is that Chiniquy was saying he wasn't at fault for what happened and he was pushing the blame off on the Vatican. He claimed the Vatican had Lincoln assinated, funded the Confederate States of America, and did a lot of other things they didn't do. His claims are pretty ludicrous when you take into account the minute number of Catholics in the American South. White Arabian Filly Neigh 16:10, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Improvements 

message: Per standing Wikipedia policies, there is no need to include "Roman" in front of "Catholic" on this page, especially when linking to pages with a title that just says "Catholic". Further, Chiniquy's views seem to fall squarely under "anti-Catholic", hence my wikilink change in the lede.
Several contentious reverts have been made on both points above, so opening this thread for discussion here. natemup (talk) 19:02, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I started a thread above, which you seem to have ignored, but I'll respond here. Our role as Wikipedia editors is not to reproduce sources word-for-word, but to translate them into the most proper language and meanings. In this case, the terms "Catholic"  and "Roman Catholic" are technically synonymous, so we have no reason to not utilize the official usage, which is also more concise. The Catholic Church, as indicated by its page title (and in the page's content), does not officially refer to itself as the Roman Catholic Church. Moreover, anti-Catholicism (such as that of Chiniquy) frequently traffics in the usage of "Roman Catholic" to imply that the Catholic Church is not what it says it is theologically: "catholic", as in universal. That claim, which we of course cannot legislate in our editing, should not then be suggested by our edits. natemup (talk) 19:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't notice your thread, sorry. I'll merge them. I thought that the Church of Rome defined itself officially as the Roman Catholic Church, which makes sense considering that Protestantism is the predominant branch of Christianity in the Anglosphere, as for Roman Catholicism in Romance-speaking countries. I contributed to the article that you linked, Anti-Catholicism in the United States, some time ago. You have a point regarding the terminology used here, and I'm sure that you are doing this in good faith, but we still need evidence for Chiniquy's alleged anti-Catholic militancy. GenoV84 (talk) 19:56, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for providing the reliable sources that were needed for this article (). GenoV84 (talk) 20:35, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Roman Catholic"