Talk:Evil Clown

message: What is the importance of including the following in this article:
Statistical evidence for the "evil clown" meme: 
A Google search shows that an estimate of approximately one in 272 web pages contains the word 'evil' and one in 2120 contains the word 'clown'. By chance, assuming a null hypothesis that the two words are uncorrelated, only one in every 576,640 web pages should contain both words. Google's estimate of the number of web pages containing both 'evil' and 'clown' is roughly one in 18,700, or 30 times higher than that predicted by chance. 
The estimate of the occurrence of the exact phrase 'evil clown' is roughly one page in 450,000, significantly higher than the expected rate of finding the two words anywhere in the same document. By comparison, the exact phrase 'good clown' is only estimated to occur in one in every 3,170,000 web pages. 
(All calculations to 3 significant figures, as of early 2002). 
-- Zoe
No. I vote for removal since it is at best original research and really bad and flawed at that. Wikipedia is not to place to post original research. --mav 05:13 Dec 12, 2002 (UTC)
:It's flawed, all right, but not all that original. There have been some actual dead-tree type essays on this in Jungian  literature (Ann and Barry Ulanov, The Witch and the Clown), where the 'dark' side of the Clown archetype = the "Trickster" of various mythologies.  I can't imagine who'd look up "Evil clown", myself... --- Someone else 05:48 Dec 12, 2002 (UTC)
::I can't believe this is actually an article on a would-be encyclopedia. And attempting to justify it by boasting stats from a search engine is the height of myopia.--69.81.161.110 23:58, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Google

message: Should John Wayne Gacy be added in here?  He was dubbed the "Killer Clown" and may have added to the mystique of the evil clown mythology.
-Erskine
*I second this.  He ought to be added.appzter 04:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is probably a little late in the day to be adding this opinion, but I agree wholeheartedly with you, he shouldn't be creditied as a homosexual killer, including this and not including the other catagories you mentioned somehow implies that his homosexuality has something to do with the killing, which is just ridiculous. Sky83 (talk) 16:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: John Wayne Gacy

message: Was there a movie where Russian spies posed as clowns? I think the movie featured the main characters giving aliens a glass of water, and near the beginning, one of the characters dealt with opponents by pointing his fingers at enemies and saying "bang". Andjam 00:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the synopsis - I have been looking for its title (Real Men btw). 9ofzeven (talk) 14:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evil clowns in movies 

message: Would you guys consider Kefka Palazzo from Final Fantasy VI an example of an "evil clown?" His absence from the list jumped out at me. What do you think?
--Jason the Delicious
:On a related subject, evil clowns also show up as minibosses in the video game Dragon Quest II.
Also, what about ?
kefka certainly can be called as an evil clownTowers84 14:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kefka from FFVI? 

message: whats the name of the episode when Brady has his first birthday and the lawyer doesn't like clowns;
by the way which one here is afraid of clowns, Miranda or Brady
:I think it's called One and it's in series six. Miranda isn't afraid of clowns though, she was just annoyed that Steve's mother had hired the clown without telling her, and that Carrie had already told her she was afraid of clowns and had requested that none would be at the party. So it's Carrie with the phobia, not Miranda or Brady. Sky83 (talk) 16:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Michael Myers is not a clown though. He's simply a killer who steals and wears a mask. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.203.137.27 (talk) 
He slew his first victim while dressed as a clown. His adult mask resembles one.
19:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sex and the city 

message: Does Michael Myers count?
22:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Michael Myers is not a clown though. He's simply a killer who steals and wears a mask. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.203.137.27 (talk) 
He slew his first victim while dressed as a clown. His adult mask resembles one.
19:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What about Michael Myers?

message: I am afraid that all images used in this article are copyrighted and their usage here do not fit the "fair use" concept, which allows us to use these screenshots only in discussions of the corresponding films. I am  
afraid most of them must be deleted. Mukadderat 01:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images: not fair use

message: That picture's a little frightening. =( Does it have to be there? 152.23.196.162 14:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: That Picture

message: I feel that the section on evil clowns in popular culture is too big, and has become bloated with examples that are useful to no one. For example:
# Kefka, the main villain of the SNES game Final Fantasy VI, wears face paint and clothing reminiscent of a clown.
# Phillipe, (a circus clown) is the boss of the England area in the SNES game Final Fight 2.
Who would find these examples of evil clowns useful? Wikipedia doesn't need to list every single example of an evil clown. Gary 01:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to delete nearly all of them, leaving a few famous examples, like the Joker in the Batman series. I think these few remaining entries serve as good examples of the Evil Clown, without being obscure or drowning the reader in endless examples of evil clowns in animes and video games that few people have ever encountered. Gary 04:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has become too big again. I think the suggested merge should go through, and the "in popular culture" be changed from a trivia list to a prose-based description of the different tropes (e.g. The Joker, Steven King's It, child molestation, alcoholism) OrangeDog (talk • edits) 03:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "evil clowns in popular culture section" is too big.  

message: This article is already mostly about pop culture. An extensive, uncited list of examples clearly violates WP:IIFO, WP:COATRACK, WP:OR and any number of other policies. I'd appreciate if the various anonymous users who have been continuously adding this information stop, or at least make some attempt to justify the changes. eldamorie (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that the list is always in danger of growing far too large, I fin it surprising that more rigid criteria for suitability hasn't been imposed on the list. If anybody has suggestions for how this may be done, please feel free to contribute. At the moment, I propose that all entries on the list:
* must be directly identified as a clown rather than as being reminiscent of a clown.
* must be a main character in their particular context, standing in a sustained role throughout the plot.
* (some as of yet undetermined criteria for whether or not the context itself is of any particular note, or whether the work is a minor one of little cultural significance.)
This move would considerably shorten the list, removing 
*The Joker
*Captain Spaulding
*Wiggles the Clown
*The Ghost Clown
*Odd Bob the Clown
*Shaco, The Demon Jester
*Piedmon
*Buggy the Clown
*Donbalon
*The Robot Clowns from the 1988-1989 Doctor Who Serial The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
*Sideshow Bob
among others which I may have neglected to pick up on. It's an idea, and it would certainly keep the list from turning into an endless catalogue of everything vaguely resembling an evil clown. Benjitheijneb (talk) 12:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring to retain list 

message: Should some mention be given to vengeful clown characters before the 20th century? Pagliaccio of the opera Pagliacci or the jester Hop-Frog from the Edgar Allen Poe story of the same name came to mind. --96.246.226.8 (talk) 02:52, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much, will certainly add those in. And thank God somebody's got an example to go in the "Origins" section rather than "Popular culture"; it's a nice change from edit warring over an endless list of obscure clowns. Benjitheijneb (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 19th century origins?

message: I'm sorry to change the name of the page, but it can't be about one evil clown when there's more than one. ~D3323 6:12pm June 13, 2014
: The page is about the concept "Evil clown" not about the fact there have been many of them. Can an administrator please revert the page change until it has been discussed and consensus made here on the talk page? Jeremy112233 (Lettuce-jibber-jabber?) 01:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: . JohnCD (talk) 08:29, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

text: It should be Evil clown, not Evil Clown. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:54, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Apology from D3323 and a reason