Talk:Emancipation of minors

message: U.S. Age of Majority Table this site has several guides to emancipation in different states, and has a nice table that shows age of majority for those states.
Pending no objection in one week will add link... --69.251.192.171 (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Would like to add external link

message: Added a section stub notice to the Laws by Country sectiom. This section is evidently incomplete as it clearly states that the section should cover other countries, but only currently covers two states, both in the USA. I also believe the whole article to be a stub, and therefore will add a whole article stub notice under the International Law category
This really has nothing to do with International Law, it's Family Law.  I removed the Intl Law category designation.
::Actually isn't it purely American law?  I don't think the term is used elsewhere.Royalcourtier (talk) 08:22, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub for Laws by Country

message: :"In Californian law, the minor must be at least 14, be living apart from his/her parents, and be proven to have the means to support him/herself. An emancipated minor has the ability to legally sign for himself/herself, something a normal minor cannot do."
Is this accurate, and is it as simple as this or does the minor need any other reasons or comply with other conditions. Igorndhaswog 00:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "In Illinois the requirments for most things is seventeen years of age do I need to be emancipated at seventeen or are the respects of leaving appropriate. In other words can I up and leave like a typical eighteen year old if I'm not happy with my family's way of living. Suppose i work 30 hours a week and get passing grades in school, if i can afford it then why can't I? I guess what I'm trying to ask is can we leave at seventeen?" Anonymous 00:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In Cal., it is extremely rare and difficult for minors aged 14 to 17 to be emancipated, be placed into foster care or another guardian by voluntary choice. Minors in California due to the state constitution: the adult age of 18 and the drinking age 21 which is considerably the real adult age, is strictly enforced, are placed into a restrictive category thus their legal and social status is low. Minors cannot speak for themselves nor have an attorney in the state family court and state/county juvenile court hearings, including cases when the minor is a defendant/ suspect of a juvenile law crime. Usually the judge places them into custody of the next of kin (biological, not necessarily legally defined families, like relatives by-marriage or in-law) within the limits of county and state jurisdiction, and intra-state or international custody battles of where a minor can move in with, have low value in laws of our 50 states and the United States. It is difficult to be adopted as much it is to be emancipated, along with the paternalistic authoritarian foster care system in the last 40-some years proved to be a disaster. A teenager is simply told by authorities to "live with your folks, don't run away from home, attend or stay in public school, earn your HS graduation diploma and find a part-time job afterward" instead of defending the minor's right to escape from abusive parents and/or a dysfunctional home. Mike D 26 (talk) 07:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: California Question!

message: Emancipation. Emanacipation! Whatever. Nobody can offer information on this subject to me. I always rely on Wikipedia to give me all this great information. Ive searched everywhere for information, Councilers, teachers, police officers, web pages, librarys and every where elese. Why is this topic not out there? Is our government afraid of too many minors being granted this right? If anyone has any information regarting minor imacipation, especialy in the states of arkansas and missouri, please post information here. Share information and help make some lifes better. Pecas
--68.46.245.35 02:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He meant the state of Mississippi (their adult age remains in 21), Alabama (age 19) and the majority of (by surprise) southern states, where a deeper social conservative culture runs deep in state and local politics. The more liberal and progressive Northern (esp. East coast) states seem to lean toward emancipation laws, except they are declared useless in the early 21st century. Take a look at New York, California and Illinois are two states where self-emancipation was made impractical and the child divorce laws in Florida are treated like a legal oddity about to be repealed in any moment. Has the USA declared teens inable to live their own lifes until they turn a certain age or obtained a high school diploma? There's a moralistic psuedo-religious or a political correct statist conspiracy against children and teenagers. It is up to the parents to "own" them, society to devalue them and the state to control them because teenagers are minors. Mike D 26 (talk) 07:35, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: DON'T GET IT

message: The article says that in most cases, emancipated minors have the same rights as adults in regard to purchasing tobacco, pornography, lottery tickets, and firearms.  I was under the impression that to buy these things, you had to be a certain age.  I thought that the law specifically said that you had to be 18 or 21 to do these things.  I even asked my law studies teacher about it, and he said that the age restrictions would probably still apply, even if a minor was emanicpated.  Could someone please clarify this for me?  Emperor001 20:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about things like watching R-rated movies that a minor can only due if a partent consents? Also, what about signatures that schools make students get on progess reports?  Can an emancipated minor sign his/her own progress report? Emperor001 23:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you can sign your own progress reports. You can sign anything--all legal documents (i.e. legal papers, medical consent forms, armed forces sign-up forms, financial documents, etc.). In that respect, you have absolutely the exact same rights as an adult. There is nothing you cannot legally sign on your own. Piercetheorganist 23:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: R-rated movies? Yes, you're allowed to, because you are your own guardian (same as an adult) and can therefore decide what you will and will not expose yourself to. Some states issue you an emancipated minor ID card, which would make it a lot easter getting past the ticket booth if they card you. Personally, I never had an problem, but unless you can show them some sort of state-issue emancipated minor ID they probably aren't going to let you in under 18. Really, that kind of stuff isn't addressed by the legal system, because kids that are in a position to be emancipated are kids who are very serious about needing to work and go to high school and try to put themselves thru college. Emancipated minors typically aren't rich trust-fund babies who have the time and money to be able to afford to kick back and go watch R-rated movies. Most emancipated minors work several jobs to pay rent, etc., cuz they leave home with $0.00; like my attorney said about the rarity of emancipations: "no judge in his/her right mind is going to emancipate a kid with a big trust fund; emancipated minors are expected to be hard workers and keep a low profile...not move out, buy a nice car, blast death metal till 4 AM, consume alcohol and illicit drugs, etc." Refer to the part of the article which says "On the other end of the spectrum are minors who are seeking emancipation for superficial reasons, such as not being pleased with their parent's/guardian's rules. In those cases, the emancipation will most likely be denied." -- emancipation isn't for "we just can't get along; everyone's always yelling at everyone else all the time; I hate being told what to do, I want to be able to say how drunk I can get and how late I can stay out; rules suck; I hate my parents; etc."...emancipation is for "there is a solidly-documented and ongoing situation of emotional/verbal abuse in the household, and I've proven by working hard, steady jobs for several years that I can fully support myself financially and that I am a responsible and law-abiding person who can and will contribute to society and maintain a low profile". Basically, you need to prove to the judge that you can and will support yourself, that you won't give the police or other citizens any trouble, that you won't end up on welfare, that you're insanely mature and calm, that this is the right thing for you beyond the shadow of a doubt, etc. In other words, you basically need to be Jesus and Draco needs to be your dad. Piercetheorganist 23:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I have removed your post because it is extremely not appropriate to put that on Wikipedia. This talk page is for discussions about the writing of the article only. You're seeking legal strategies and advice, and it sounds like you need counseling. Not only is it dangerous for you post something like that here, it is also inappropriate, and it is dangerous for Wikipedia and anyone who gives you legal advice. PLEASE get the help you need, but get it from the correct forum--go to a lawyer and a counselor, not a Wikipedia talk page. There are plenty of accredited free online legal resources for people in crisis, where you can speak to actual lawyers who can give you sound legal advice and help protect you. Piercetheorganist 23:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: In most states in the year 2011, self-emancipation of minors is illegal and will never be approved of by county and state juvenile courts. In states where it is legal, the current-day mentality of teenagers are "grown kids" made self-emancipation relatively impossible and these laws may be shelved to the history bin of repealed legislation. What about proof of evidence these teens are under threat of domestic violence or emotional/verbal angst, and being treated like a financial burden or high-risk to be abandoned by their biological parents? The question is the legality of minors have rights as US citizens in all 50 states and how the United States is the toughest country for children and teens to grow up in, when it comes to recognition of their civil rights regardless of age. Mike D 26 (talk) 07:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rights

message: "Emancipations are rarely granted, because of the narrowness of the definition of "best interest". On one end of the spectrum are minors who have been victims of abuse; in most cases, the state's department of child services is notified and the child is placed in foster care. On the other end of the spectrum are minors who are seeking emancipation for superficial reasons, such as not being pleased with their parent's/guardian's rules. In those cases, the emancipation will most likely be denied."
Why doesn't this article describe middle ground such as a (hypothetical) minor's guardian dies and the next legal guardian lives somewhat far away and the minor requests to get emancipated?  Would it be at all possible to get emancipated in such a case?
Overall, this article is a good start, but I think it could describe more, unless there really is so little info on it. LtDonny 18:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You hit the nail on the head, LtDonny -- there is very little information available on the topic. I speak from experience, as I was emancipated. If you read the actual text of the emancipation statute in states which have one, you'll notice that it's one of the most archaic laws on the book, as child/family laws go -- emancipation was originally developed for children who needed to leave home in order to move elsewhere and work so that they could support their families -- it goes back to the 1800s, to the days where rural areas were largely poverty-stricken and the best shot you had of a paying job (and, in many cases, getting an education) was to go apprentice yourself to a tradesman in a more urbanized area. Bear in mind that the man to whom you were apprenticed was your master and he quartered you and apprenticed you in exchange for your hard work. Learning a trade was your only shot at moving up in the world -- i.e. being able to support yourself and send money back home to your family to support them. In that sense, it is somewhat similar to the way in which illegal immigration functions today. It is only recently (i.e. within the last 30 years or so) that emancipation has been used to free mature minors from abusive/alcoholic/dysfunctional homes. That said, it is used so very very rarely -- consider the number of teenagers who hate their parents' rules and think they could do just fine on their own (probably most teenagers), versus the number who get emancipated, or even know what emancipation is (very very few). Unfortunately there are no statistics available (to the best of my knowledge and research) as to the exact numbers of emancipations throughout recent history, and that speaks to the fact that it is a largely-unknown, little-used legal mechanism. I know that when I was emancipated (in a not-so-rural area of northern Virginia), I was the first emancipatee in 24 years in that county. Some states don't even have an emancipation law on the books. So the article, as I and others have written it, seems to contain all the readily-available information on the subject of emancipation -- the websites referenced are the only ones which seem to contain any kind of info/data on the topic. Piercetheorganist 07:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find your comments on the history of emancipation interesting and would love to see some of this information in the article.Peter Chastain (talk) 03:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

text: As to the question you asked ("Why doesn't this article describe middle ground such as a (hypothetical) minor's guardian dies and the next legal guardian lives somewhat far away and the minor requests to get emancipated? Would it be at all possible to get emancipated in such a case?"): the answer is maybe. The basis for granting an emancipation is whether or not the minor can prove to a judge, beyond reasonable doubt, the he/she is capable of living on his/her own -- being able to function in society as a contributor (pay taxes, follow laws, hold a job, etc.). So the minor needs to demonstrate that they are calm, mature, reasonably intelligent, familiar with the basic laws of our society, that they have a steady paying job and a place of their own to live, that they have a clean track record as far as infractions with the law are concerned, and that they generally will be a contributor to society rather than an obnoxious, arrogant punk kid who's going to go to parties and get drunk and high, and blast loud music, and drive over the speed limit, and be generally disrespectful. So basically you have to convince the judge that you're an adult even though your age isn't quite there yet. In some cases, there is a genuine need to remove you from a dysfunctional household, but the judge won't believe that you're mature/experienced enough to function on your own, in which case the state's children's services department will be called in to devise a suitable living situation (usually a foster home). Piercetheorganist 07:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle ground

message: The article describes that an emancipated minor can do anything an adult can do with a list of exceptions that take effect at age 18 on average. This is US biased as mentioned above, since it is 19 for smoking and drinking in Canada (not to mention, 21 for drinking in the US, not 18, this is not mentioned). But anyway, age of legal consent for sexual activity is another concern. Usually age of consent is equal to or less than the age of majority (18ish) meaning all adults have this ability. However, if a minor is emancipated before reaching the age of legal majority, they would be unable to have sex just as they would be unable to drink and stuff. I am unsure just how early it is possible for some minors to become emancipated, but this is probably noteworthy. While fiction is not relevant, Bart Simpson, would be a good example of someone emancipated (in fiction) who is below the age of consent. Tyciol (talk) 10:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Canadian, European and other developed country laws seem to grant 14, 15, 16 and 17 year olds more rights as citizens with equal protection under the law; and 18, 19 and 20 year olds can legally purchase, possess and consume alcohol while they proved to be eligible to serve in their nations' armed forces. The USA was a victim of reactionary political and moralist movements in the 1980's and 1990's, combined with efforts by PC activism to decreased the social status of teenagers has brought catastrophic results. It is no wonder teens growing up in today's America are more clinically depressed, cannot handle public education (high school) and ineligible to obtain their first summer part-time job. Also they are binge-drinking on college campuses and most younger drivers aged 18-21 (or 22-25) no longer can afford monthly auto insurance costs, esp. males, than in the past. They are brought up as "grown kids" the reverse of "little adults" when they are toddlers or pre-pubescent, thus the so-called "age of innocence". Because the US and all 50 state constitutions invented the idea of adult age in the 19th and 20th centuries, including the 26th amendment enacted in 1971 to move the voting age from 21 to 18, to be consisent with the Vietnam era military draft at the time, does not mean they are now "inequal" under federal and state laws. In the 1970s, there was controversy also whether to include women as "equal" with men to be required to be in the military draft, and that law known as the ERA (Equal Rights Amendment) failed to pass of a majority of US states by 1980. Mike D 26 (talk) 07:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Age of consent exception

message: I have read all the discussions and definitions for Emancipation but what about parents? I admit to being to getting a girl pregnant early in my 20's. We discussed it and I agreed to pay money every month, do all the fatherly things, and buy her a car when she turned 16- if- the mom agreed to let me see my daughter, get report cards, and do the general raising. 
Now, my daughter is 17, I have gotten one report card her entire school time and my visits have stopped. Recently she dropped out of school, got pregnant and NOW they are taking me to court saying I didn't keep my end of the deal because I didn't buy her a car and I don't pay them enough. 
Do I have any rights to have her emancipated since she has made adult decisions? Why less than a year before she turns 18 is the court getting involved? Any help would be great- we live in Missouri if that helps.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.109.230.142 (talk) 17:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not the place to seek legal advice. Please consult a professional qualified in that area for your problems. --Whip it! Now whip it good! 05:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please help a parent 

message: ok so im at school looking up the things you have to do to get emancipated... and i feel that this really doesnt make any sence if you have a job.you are stable enough to have your own place and you are responsible. i dont see why you cant get the grant to be emancipated.what if you live in an unstable house hold and your parents do drugs but you dont want to tell people. wat if your mom gets beat on by her boy friend ,and your tired of hearing them screaming and yelling all the time.what if your parents take all your money and dont care about the things you need.how about if there always calling you out of your name and dont give you any respect?that petty much says that there not helping you so you can do better by your self.............
so if any one has an answer to my question please let me know.....<ms. lonely> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.131.30.3 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not the place to seek legal advice. Please consult a professional qualified in that area for your problems. —Finell (Talk) 18:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for help 

message: In need of mentioning is Florida's emancipation law known as "Child Divorce", the only law of its kind in the world. In the 1990's and 2000's, about 5 cases of teenagers divorced their parents due to abuse, neglect and mismanagement of the income spent on drugs or alcohol, and lack of proper family love and support. The media massively reported the cases and lead to national public outcry, family rights activists were divided and conservative moralists reacted with disapproval. No other state in the union considered adaptation of the Florida-style law and other states like California made more difficulty for child emancipation, including a requirement to have an annual income of $1 million or they could be legally able to inherit guardians' incomes. Also any threat of a teenager to desire leaving the parents' home can be a crime and they can be sent to a juvenile detention camp until they turn age 18 or 20 (depends on the state), and law authorities will ensure if the minor is out of the United States on family trips, they will never attempt to "run away" or use their age in order to gain political asylum, which the basis varies greatly by country and that is unlikely to happen. + 71.102.12.55 (talk) 20:42, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Laws regarding emancipation of minors have changed, as society progressed and advanced in recognition of children and teens' rights, the state laws of Florida and California mentioned above, reformed itself to make it easier for cases when a minor cannot be with their parents. Whenever the family reported child abuse, domestic violence, misuse of finances, drug use or addiction, emotional neglect and sexual crimes, the minor can freely leave the situation as he/she wants. Mike D 26 (talk) 07:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Florida laws