Talk:T gauge

message: T Gauge vs. T Scale. I believe this page should be called T Gauge not T Scale. T Gauge is almost universally used in discussions of this. There is also the scale/gauge issue that occurs many times in model railroading. In this case the gauge is 3mm which would only be approximately 1/450 scale for standard gauge -- 3 * 450 = 1350 vs. standard gauge being 1435mm. The scale/gauge calculation is also off for the currently available Japanese prototype equipment which runs on 1067mm gauge track, which would be 2.4mm in 1/450 scale.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmyers7 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The manufacturer's description is "T gauge". The exact scale ratio shown on the packaging is 1:450. All other "scales" which may be shown in model railway books and magazines (2.222 mm = 1 m; 0.677 mm = 1 ft; 0.02667 in = 1 ft etc.) are necessarily approximations. At 1:450, a track gauge of 3 mm does indeed come out at a scale 1350 mm or 4 ft 5.1496 in. However, at such small scales, manufacturing tolerances need to be extremely fine; the difference between a scale 1350 mm and a scale 1435 mm is 85 mm, or just 0.1889 mm on the model. That is less than the thickness of two sheets of 80 gsm paper. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Scale or gauge

message: Why is G scale mentioned in this article? --Redrose64 (talk) 15:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Eishindo, the manufacturer, sells T scale models as accessories for G scale layouts. They offer a complete set that includes T scale track and special ride-on trains, plus G scale figures and other accessories in the set.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.125.187 (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How does that work? G scale has a scale of between 1:22.5 and 1:32 running on 45 mm gauge track. The ratio between the gauges of G and T is 15:1 - they just cannot go together. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The T Gauge trains are being used to represent an amusement park ride. See the photos here: http://www.t-gauge.net/related.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dks2855 (talk • contribs) 01:45, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: G Scale

message: There are now about a dozen references, but most, if not all, are in Japanese, and so fail WP:NONENG. English-language sources should be found. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:53, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this is the English Wikipedia, English-language sources should be used in preference to non-English ones, except where no English source of equal quality can be found that contains the relevant material. Does this not suggest, then, that the Japanese sites will have to do? The only reliable source in English is http://www.t-gauge.net/, but since it's a "personal" website, it's not considered suitable (even though this particular site is actually more reliable and up-to-date than the manufacturer's own website). So, at the end of the day, the article has no suitable references available to it. May as well remove the whole thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dks2855 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say that the references should be removed entirely, nor that the article should be deleted. However, I am warning that others might well use the lack of verifiable sources as grounds for deletion (see WP:DEL#REASON, particluarly the criterion "Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed"). What I said was simply "English-language sources should be found" - the product is sold in Britain, so I can't believe that there are no suitable sources. There must be something - have you tried looking through back issues of the various model railway magazines? It must have been covered by, at the very least, Continental Modeller It's not as if you have to go back very far - a little over three years, say forty issues max. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly don't think the topic is worth exhaustive research, or gnashing of teeth over what verifiable references are available in what languages or magazines (especially as I'm in the States with no convenient way, let alone the time, to sift through back issues of Continental Modeller). There was an article published in a US modeling magazine recently, but it's so full of errors that it's unsuitable as a reference. I've already done enough research here http://www.t-gauge.net/ to satisfy most modelers, if not most Wikipedians. Anyway, the links at the bottom of the page should provide people with sufficient information to verify for themselves that the article is reasonably accurate, without having to parse out the whole thing point by point with footnotes. If some uber-anal Wikipedian doesn't think the article merits keeping, it will be no great loss if it's deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dks2855 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be most disappointed (at Wikipedia) if this were targeted for deletion. "Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed" would not seem to apply since there are Japanese-language sources available. Sometimes we just have to wait for the suitable English-language secondary sources to be written... -- EdJogg (talk) 09:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Currently, T scale Shinkansen models are not available.
121.102.122.122 (talk) 11:30, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  T scale Shinkansen 

message: The article states that T scale (1:450) is the smallest scale commercially available, but isn't TY scale (1:900) even smaller?  Could an established editor who is an expert in the field check it out and update this and any related articles appropriately?http://www.rockcitynews.com/railroad/indexty.htmlhttp://www.stanstrains.com/TYLayout.htmhttp://www.tiny-trains.net/  Thanks!  99.102.205.182 (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I just read the following on the link you provided:  In order to be recognized as a model railroad, the locomotive or the train needs to be able to move by themselves and not because they are pulled by some mechanism outside the train (cf. the German Wikipedia article Typisch ist, dass die Lokomotiven durch einen eingebauten Antrieb selbst fahren können.). Meursault2004 (talk) 23:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  TY scale 

message: Can someone edit the article to more clearly explain the manufacturer situation with Eishindo, Railway Shop, etc.? ColinClark (talk) 01:18, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manufacturers