Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand/politics

message: It might be a good idea to get the articles into shape of prospective successors to our current PM. The reason I'm saying that is that the successor will be featured on the Main Page in the ITN (in the news) section. There's already a discussion about posting an item about Ardern's foreshadowed resignation (consensus appears to be to wait until a successor has been chosen) and once we know who's in the top job, there will then be a discussion whether the target article is up to scratch. We might as well tidy things up now. Maintenance tags are a no no and uncited content isn't appreciated either. We have three front runners as far as I can see:
* Chris Hipkins – I've tidied that one up already
* Kiri Allan (looks a bit on the short side)
* Michael Wood
Anyone else who you think could be worth looking at? If anyone has time between now and Sunday, that would be a good task to attend to. Schwede66 20:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next PM 

message: Just noticed that the election infobox template has had a few parameters deleted such as "leader's seat" and "leader since". Was anyone here aware of this? I sure wasn't! A consensus of about a dozen users removed information from the 27,000 pages that use these data parameters. I feel this is insufficient and would like users from projects like this one to actually have a say. Kiwichris (talk) 23:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election infobox parameters removed 

message: I have recently found a need to cite a source from the AJHR - Appendix to the Journal of the House of Representatives. I looked at a few existing articles that had cited AJHR, but thought that none of the examples I found were well presented. See Referendums in New Zealand, Mazengarb Report, History of education in New Zealand, Search and Surveillance Act 2012, Lyttelton Rail Tunnel, Eastern Line (Auckland).
I note that most of the 1860 to 1950 volumes of AJHR have been digitised and are available online (via Papers Past). Many NZ-related articles could possibly benefit from a citation directing readers to sources in the online versions of AJHR. Is there an opportunity here for a new template to standardise and improve the presentation of citations of AJHR, and at the same time, make it a bit easier for editors ?  Do we have anyone we could ask to develop such a template ? Comments please.  Marshelec (talk) 01:17, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That would obviously make sense. Those templates are easy enough. New Zealand referencing templates include Template:DNZB (there's always a related documentation, in this case at Template:DNZB/doc), Template:LINZ, and Template:Macdonald Dictionary; those might be good starting points. It might be useful to know that when you talk to librarians about the AJHR, they all call it the "A to J". Schwede66 03:57, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing the AJHR - opportunity for a new template ? 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Content assessment#Proposal: Reclassification of Current & Future-Classes as time parameter, which is within the scope of this WikiProject.  This WikiProject received this message because it currently uses "Current" and/or "Future" class(es). There is a proposal to split these two article "classes" into a new parameter "time", in order to standardise article-rating across Wikipedia (per RfC), while also allowing simultaneous usage of quality criteria and time for interest projects. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 06:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion at [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]] 

message: For the fourth time (I think), we are creating draft bios for all those election candidates who have a chance to be an MP after the general election. It needs more input; there are still many red links sitting there for likely MPs, and other drafts need more work.
It's not the done thing to start new bios in main space during the election campaign. There's little tolerance for promotional activities, and many an election campaign bio gets deleted. But we have a great process for that as we collaborate on writing bios in draft space and once it's clear who will enter parliament, we publish those who made it. Most of the time, we have all new MP bios published the morning after the election. The action happens at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/New MPs. Schwede66 19:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incoming MPs 

message: The infoboxes for some electorate articles have maps from 2014, but the boundaries have since changed. I can't figure out how to change the caption to indicate that it shows 2014 boundaries, not current ones. Of course, an up-to-date map would be even better. Examples: Ilam (New Zealand electorate) and Wigram (New Zealand electorate). Additionally, the current captions say, e.g., "Location of Ilam within Canterbury", when the map is actually of the South Island, not just Canterbury. But, at a minimum, we should indicate that they are 2014 maps. Nurg (talk) 23:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: On a related note we are missing maps for at least some of the electorates created in 2020 (I haven't checked them all) - e.g. Taieri and Takanini. DrThneed (talk) 01:36, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been meaning to update all the New Zealand electorate maps but have been very busy this month and haven't had a chance to be involved in the election updates at all as I intended (I was planning to automate the results updates as well). I can either generate line maps like they are now, or maybe slippy maps which will probably be easier to produce and more interactive and clear. Hopefully will get a chance in November! --Canley (talk) 07:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Indicating when electorate maps in infoboxes are outdated

message: just added the following (uncited) content to the Adrian Rurawhe bio:
For starters, we should not be adding uncited content to bios. The bigger problem is, though, that it is nowhere near clear that Rurawhe will return via the Labour list. Newhub's Jenna Lynch reported on that on Monday without explaining why. What she meant was the following:
*Based on Monday's poll, Labour would get 33 MPs (Lynch did explain that)
*Suppose Labour wins 33 electorate seat; if so, nobody will come in via the list (that's the part that she didn't explain)
It's of course impossible to predict how many electorate contests will go Labour's way. Like in 2020, there are 72 electorates being contested. I would be surprised if Labour won as many as 33 of them, but if they do, none of their candidates would get in who contest the list only. The article party lists in the 2023 New Zealand general election shows who is standing on the list only. Starting at the top, we have:
* Grant Robertson (4)
* Ayesha Verrall (7)
* Willie Jackson (8)
* Adrian Rurawhe (11)
Hence, if Labour wins 33 electorates, all of the above are out. If they win 32 electorates, only Robertson gets in. If they win 31 electorates, Robertson and Verrall get in. For Rurawhe to get in, they can't win more than 28 electorates. I will thus remove the uncited part from the Rurawhe bio but thought I'd post about it here as this list-only vulnerability is a broader issue. Schwede66 22:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that correction. You’re right, I was speculating, but of course speculating doesn’t work when you forget to actually go through the right steps too… — HTGS (talk) 23:47, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some thoughts on Labour's list-only candidates 

message: Ensure all MPs elected in 2020 have their articles updated to show what happened to them in 2023: re-election, loss of seat, or chose not to run. —HenryCrun15 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles on MPs in the previous parliament

message: Final election results are expected to be released by the Electoral Commission this Friday afternoon. I thought it might be worthwhile to see what might happen, and whether there's anything that we could prepare. In previous elections, the special votes have favoured the political left for whatever reason, so it's most reasonable to check those parties first. Is there anyone who might gain a seat? If so, do we have a published bio yet, or is there a bio draft in project space?
*Te Pāti Māori: 
:*They've already got an overhang seat (i.e. they won more electorates than the party vote entitled them to), so any further party vote gain won't make any difference. 
:*Two Māori electorates are close, though, with Labour being ahead by just under 500 votes in Tāmaki Makaurau (Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/New MPs/Takutai Moana Kemp) and Te Tai Tokerau (Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/New MPs/Mariameno Kapa-Kingi). Both those bio drafts could do with expansion, but at least we've got something.
*Labour:
:*Apart from the Māori electorates discussed above, there are five general electorates with less than 500 votes between first and second comers. Four are currently held by National and one by Labour. If the second-placed candidate manages to flip the results, there isn't a direct impact as all those people have bios already. However, this may make a difference to who gets in from the list, of course.
:*If Helen White loses her seat, Glen Bennett would get in, but he's got an article already.
:*If Labour gets a higher share of the party vote, then Bennett would get in, followed by Vanushi Walters.
:*It's not likely that we need to prep ourselves for the next person on their list who hasn't got a live bio yet. Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/New MPs/Georgie Dansey is that person, and her draft bio is in good shape anyway, so no action needed.
*Greens:
:*Next on the list is Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/New MPs/Kahurangi Carter and that draft bio needs work.
*National:
:*Any of the four who hold their electorate with less than 500 votes sit down much further on the list than what guarantees entry into parliament. That is, if any of them loses, that will trigger Nancy Lu in list position 20 to be returned. Her draft bio is ready to go.
:*Beyond that, we would need three losses before we get to a person not already in parliament: Emma Chatterton. Her draft bio needs a little bit more work.
*ACT:
:*Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/New MPs/Antonia Modkova is the next one on the ACT list. That draft bio needs work.
*NZFirst:
:*Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/New MPs/David Wilson (New Zealand First politician) is the next one on the NZFirst list. That draft bio needs work.
I hope that's helpful in case anyone has spare capacity. Schwede66 00:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Final results (due 3 November 2023)

message: I've cast my eye over the 72 electorate articles and have produced the table below to confirm what still needs doing. Some notes go with that:
* Regarding the 2023 results table, I have inspected whether the results are final or preliminary; if the latter, that needs updating, of course. All I've identified is whether there is a table for the latest election.
* We aren't really that good at adding to the history part of the articles with who won the latest election.
* With regards to the infobox, it should list the electorate MP and any list MPs who had contested the electorate and made it in via the list. Whilst the former is up to date, some list MPs are missing.
* Only Takanini needs to have a table added for list MPs.
Please amend the table below when something's been completed. Schwede66 23:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the Electoral Commission is releasing the detailed results downloads on Monday 27 November—when they do, I can use my election data scripts to output the final tables for each electorate. --Canley (talk) 23:51, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

text: You have a script for that? 😮 Schwede66 00:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Do you have any update on that, @Canley? Just wondering as I was looking at perhaps updating an electorate or two, but if that can be automatised or you could create a script for that, that'd be brilliant. JaumeBG (talk) 07:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, have been really busy and had some technical issues (for some reason the Electoral Commission has CloudFlare), but I've managed to download the data and will try and get the script running this weekend. --Canley (talk) 11:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Electorates

message: For anyone interested there is a discussion taking place as to whether the article :Women's Rights Party is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Check Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Women's Rights Party if so. Kiwichris (talk) 06:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomination of Women's Rights Party article for deletion 

message: Input is needed at Talk:Francisco Hernandez (politician); please comment there to keep the discussion in one place. Schwede66 13:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Now at Draft talk:Francisco Hernandez (politician). Not one of the finest moments of User:Villian Factman. Schwede66 23:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francisco Hernandez  

message: @Pokelova @Schwede66. Hello, I have added Angie Warren-Clark birthdate as 16 June 1971 because I have heard it while I am watching Parliament TV, plus I have more info from the 10 October 2017 article on Northern Advocate that she was born in Murupara but moved to Northland at the very young age. Villian Factman (talk) 07:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angie Warren Birthplace and Birthplace 

message: Now that Francisco Hernandez has become an MP, I suggest we better get onto Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/New MPs/Benjamin Doyle. They are the next one on the list. Should Darleen Tana resign or get pushed, they would be offered the position. Schwede66 09:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benjamin Doyle 

message: I think the currently-used generic  is a bit lackluster (its even got a formatting error baked in). I started trying to create a new template at User:TheLoyalOrder/Infobox New Zealand electorate (see User:TheLoyalOrder/SandierBox for an example of it in use). Wanted to get people's thoughts on what to include, etc.  TheLoyalOrder (talk) 06:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox New Zealand electorate