Talk:List of flags of Montenegro

message: The Central Powers banned the Montenegrin flags in 1917 (it stood until the liberation in 1918). They put the Austrian, Hungarian and Croatian national flags, and at the east also Albanian. The only flag for the local collaboration officials was the war flag (alaj-barjak). How to note this...? --PaxEquilibrium 12:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWI 

message: Or how should we call the Italian occupation of Montenegro?
Were there any Ustashi in Montenegro during 1941-45? No there were not, hence they could not ban the usage of traditional Montenegrin tricolor.  --  Imbris 23:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course there were. Next to the Italian and German forces, most of the collaborators came from NDH, i.e. Ustashas. The NDCG was a transitional state before it could be incorporated into the Independent State of Croatia. --PaxEquilibrium 13:26, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pax, you should know better. Apart from the name NDCG (which I apparently popularized) being a total fabrication, there is no evidence to suggest the NDH would have ever annexed Montenegro. The UHRO never claimed Croatian state rights over Montenegro. Also, I have never heard of any Croatian troops operating in the country (apart from attempting to seize capitulated Italy's Bay of Kotor).--Thewanderer 15:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite. I thought so in the start myself. See the 12 July 1941 declaration on Saint Peter's Congress of the Montenegrin Federalist Party. The term applied is precisely "Независна Држава Црна Гора". "NDCG" short I invented. Some of the Montenegrin Federalist state core were members of the Ustashi. Montenegro was a short transitional state which was supposed to be included into Croatia, just like Serbia into Bulgaria. --PaxEquilibrium 18:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, the Montenegrin Federalist Party was not in power in Montenegro after July 12, so it could not have coined the state's name. Montenegro was an Italian protectorate, so whatever name they adopted was the official name of the state. On the day of Saint Peter's Congress, it seemed like some puppet-regime would be forged out of the Federalists - but this never happened. --Thewanderer 14:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But of course it did. The Montenegrin Federalist Party organized the day the Yugosla Royal Army surrendered, 17 April 1941, the "Provisional Administrative Committee of Montenegro" which oversaw the arrival of Axis forces (mostly Italian, some Croatian and little German) and establishment of a provisional government that slowly oversaw the creation of a Montenegrin state under Italian protectorate. On 12 July 1941 the Saint Peter's Congress which the Party had organized declared the "Independent State of Montenegro". Negotiations with the Axis before MNE officially joined the Anti-Comintern proved tough for the Federalists, they didn't assure Herzegovina nor the Dubrovnik hinterland which already the Ustashas got. Even the Bocca Bay was annexed by the Kingdom of Italy, while the east of Montenegro and Metohija were granted to Albania. The only gain was the Serbian part of Sanjak. The truth is that the Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland with Partisan help brought the country in total rebellion, so Sekula Drljevic didn't stay in power for a full day. Montenegrin Federalists part fled to NDH where they joined the Ustashi and part remained to assist collaboration, but their ranks were desolated by the fights in Montenegro completely that by the time the Yugoslav Partisans liberated in Montenegro, in 1944 there weren't any of them practically left. --PaxEquilibrium 22:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Flag of the Independent State of Montenegro 

message: I'm not sure is present montenegrin flag also civilStefke 02:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't.
well, in this article is mentioned it's state, national, military and civil!
I can only confirm 1st and 3rd one.
Stefke 01:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: "..also Grbalj is not a region of Montenegro.." What do you mean by this? --PaxEquilibrium 11:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: So what's the criteria? --PaxEquilibrium 21:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I said region I thought "Opština". Grbalj is simply not subdivision of Montenegro, see in any other article of this type Flags of country subdivisions. Even Opština is not standard. for example list of flags of flags of any country and you won't find flags of cities or organizations.Stefke (talk) 15:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, Okie. :) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 16:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  civil ensign? 

message: I have not removed anything that you yourself have not criticized. You stated that crown + NI is civil ensign why returning it to the main flags. Elaborate and do not push for old version back. -- Imbris (talk) 01:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is your edit war too. I'd rather not fight it, but you constantly remove data (which is blatant vandalism) and even push original research. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop your edit-war please 

message: It is rude! -- Imbris (talk) 21:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg your pardon? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 23:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop inserting Mitra štaka and whatever 

message: It is unsourced because the flag of the Šćepan Mali is known but the CoA is not. -- Imbris (talk) 21:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What does that have to do with this? And no, his Coat of Arms is very well known. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 23:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop inserting Only Unity Saves the Serbs 

message: It is rude to state such information solemnly on the basis of your Belgrade and Novi Sad friends. It is unsourced and if should be mentioned then it should not be mentioned in the first few paragraphs of the article but in a neutral place and under a neutral headline. -- Imbris (talk) 21:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Also, that comment wasn't very nice - you should pick words better. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 23:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop your accusations of a one-party state and symbols 

message: You have told me a long time before that you shall scour through the situation and look for sources. I am waiting. Have you managed to do that in the meantime? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 10:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imbris