Talk:Élisabeth Vigée Le Brun

message: Is she really "recognized as the most famous female painter of the 18th century"? No references are given for this. What's more, much of her fame came from work in the 19th century. I think it's just puffery. What about Angelica Kauffman? Sjwells53 (talk) 14:24, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a couple citation needed tags for now. Maybe we can scare up something useful in support of that statement. If not, it can be toned down to something more realistic or even scratched entirely. – JBarta (talk) 18:18, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Fame

message: This relatively short article contains a whopping 18 images. A little much. The self-portrait in the infobox, fine. A few examples of her work, fine. The rest can be culled. Template:Commons is normally used to point readers to additional images. A review of WP:IG would be useful. – JBarta (talk) 19:13, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree; I'm a huge fan of her work, but this isn't the place to display every picture she produced. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:53, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many images 

message: During the 17th and 18th century, Vermeer and Le Brun and various other European artists used a camera obscura which is not the same as painting because Vermeer and other European artists were tracing. If supporters of Vermeer just try to be more honest and acknowledge the camera was used, and stop trying to cover up, they would come to an agreement that Joseph Pennell etc. have already proven that Vermeer and other neoclassical artists used a camera. Phillip Steadman is correct when saying that the camera obscura projected the images etc. and Vermeer traced them over with paint.  He said that using a camera with an incredibly clear image (produced by the camera obscura) did occur in Vermeer's case.  Tracing is cheating. Those oil paintings are not actually paintings, not drawings done on Vermeer's own.  Allan Mills is wrong that it did not necessitate a camera because Vermeer's paintings are impossible without a camera. Vermeer is not that great and only a superhuman would do that. Refer to link: ,https://www.google.ca/searchq=18th+century+cameras&biw=1280&bih=866&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjgs9WX2pnNAhUCmx4KHXdLC8wQ7AkIOA&dpr=1
The paintings of Vermeer and Elisabeth Le Brun cannot be perceived with the naked eye and were not paintings by them, Vermeer did not do the painting on their own. The art galleries, if exhibiting these 17th or 18th century paintings should not mislead people and should at least tell visitors that the oil paintings were 
I, May Xiang Lin have a rare talent for art because as a child, teenager and adult because I pursue a different field and I do not practice whereas some people who are artists, good or bad, all practice a lot more and they hire teachers or instructors for art.
Chinese painters are really good with doing more honourable paintings in watercolour which is more difficult and dries faster and leaves less room for error vs. other mediums such as oil and acrylic that take longer to dry and oil can be painted over more easily.
I May Xiang Lin, username can draw and paint 30 times better and nicer and faster (had I gone into art full-time or part-time in university or college) than her (Le Brun and Vermeer)  
90% of the population cannot draw, do the most simple stick figure cartoons or stick figures and are not artistic. The other 10%, some may be able to draw or paint but at different abilities, are not the same level.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.0.50.4 (talk) 03:45, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camera Obscura was used, Vermeer paintings are not paintings, uncovering the truth behind the oil paintings,  

message: Substituted at 21:50, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment