Talk:Avenged Sevenfold/Archive 1

message: The article claims the band's lyrics "bear no resemblence to religious teaching". They do, however, contain many Biblical references, though they might not pretain to any specific doctrine. This seems worth mentioning to me, since this statement could lead one to believe that A7X's lyrics are not influenced by the Bible, though they clearly are.
Why would they be influenced by the bible? They all got kicked out of Catholic school? I don't believe so. The only song I've heard that pertains to the bible is "Chapter Four." And I've listened to A7X since '99. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biblical References 

message: I think taht SOME songs have references to religion but others dont.
But who really cares? The songs are CRAP! Who cares if they refer to religion all that matters is that they ROCK HARD AND KICK ASS!!!
Yes. I'll give you props for that. But only because you are right. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:13, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avenged Sevenfold 

message: I think that specifically the first two albums should be cited as metalcore. City of evil, and most likely following albums, totally stray from metalcore and are actually metal. I've read several interviews and articles that say the band was palnning on changing style since their second album, Waking the Fallen, but didn't because of fear of a negative response because of such a drastic change. So the question is: are they metal or metalcore?
There is no answer to the question. They were considered metalcore when they released "Waking The Fallen" and "Sounding The Seventh Trumpet". And now with "City of Evil" they are considered metal. No true answer to the question. Because no one knows. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Avenged Sevenfold has stated themselves as being a metalcore band. However, each of their albums change styles. Sounding the Seventh Trumpet was more of a heavy/hard rock type of album. It wasn't heavy metal, but it was heavier than the other two. Waking the Fallen is probably the best example of metalcore in the Avenged Sevenfold album listing. And because M Shadows blew a blood vessel in his throat, City of Evil is just where they want to be -- melodical metalcore. --CanesOL79 15:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metalcore or Metal? 

message: When it comes to Avenged Sevenfold, you can either love them or you hate them. However, if you have something so incorrect and just nasty to say, find somewhere selse to put it other than the article and/or this discussion.
Yes please do. And please do not change the people's comments. That is just rude. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love/Hate 

message: The Avenged Sevenfold MySpace has new pics of their upcoming video, Beast and the Harlot. Should we put one or two of them up, or one for each member article? We should try to get more information about the band members, or, at least, as much as we can possibly get. --CanesOL79 01:40, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  MySpace Pics 

message: I doubt it is
   *Dick head Mcgee (Matt Sanders)  - Lead Vocals
   *Lord of Fellatio (Brian Haner, Jr.) - Lead Guitar
   *Zacky Farms (Zachary Baker)  - Rhythm Guitar
   *Timmy the Tooth (Jonathan Seward) - Bass
   *Some lame jew (Jimmy Sullivan) - Drums
Which it was before I edited it to:
    * M. Shadows (Matt Sanders) - Lead Vocals
    * Synyster Gates(Brian Haner, Jr.) - Guitar
    * Zacky Vengeance (Zachary Baker) - Guitar
    * Johnny Christ (Jonathan Seward) - Bass
    * The Reverend (Jimmy Sullivan) - Drums
Could somebody verify this and edit if wrong? I dont know A7X too well, and was just trying to revert some vandalism
--Copysan 21:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you're right. Thanks, Copysan. It's really ridiculous that people take things so personally as to vandalize a Wikipedia article about a band. Thanks. --CanesOL79 15:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who are the real band members?

message: Avenged Sevenfold's  music before City of Evil is metalcore, alt.core, and maybe grindcore. City of Evil is Hard Rock, Alt. Rock, and Metal. 24.190.90.188
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Avenged Sevenfold's music before City of Evil was metalcore, but now they have turned to emocore (but still a little bit of metalcore). Avenged Sevenfold should not be considered as metal since it is more like emocore with a little metalcore touch. By th way, no metalhead would say it is metal... Most Avenged Sevenfold fans are emos and commercial punks. Avenged Sevenfold never was grindcore... listen to bands like Pig Destroyer if you want to get what grindcore is all about...
:It's not Grind, it's not prog. Emocore is completely different too. It's metalcore, now hard rock/metal. XdiabolicalX 20:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Oh for the love, the next single is Seize The Day, NOT BURN IT DOWN! And there's no such thing as Burn It Down Part 1 and Part 2! 24.57.46.58 21:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder what genius thought that. And Burn It Down Pts 1 and 2? WTH? Anyway, glad it's been fixed. --CanesOL79 14:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Next Single

message: My mistake, hadn't heard enough of the album to judge it. From what I remember of it now, it lacked what was common to metalcore, but had much in common with alt. metal. Whatever, I don't feel like arguing. I do approve of what the page looks like right now though (metal/hard rock/hardcore). That should cover just about whatever genres they play or have played in, no? EDIT: I got it, it's those damn vocals, that ruins this whole album for me. You'd think it'd be good to get rid of the screaming... Either way, I don't have problems with 'metal' as long as hard rock and/or hardcore stay there as well. --Ryouga 21:27, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since everyone who is NOT in Avenged Sevenfold disagrees on them being metal or metalcore and everyone IN Avenged Sevenfold is 100% sure they are making metal music and it's their band and all... let's respect that and let people come to their own conclusions... on their own. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.215.204.240 (talk • contribs) .
Okay, you people piss me off! Avenged Sevenfold are not "poppy" okay? They are from southern California, for god's sake, give them a break! Being in that area means that regardless of who you are, you're still going to end up with a lot of pop and punk influences. As is said by Matt Shadows himself, "We're from southern Cali, so we grew up listening to Rancid and Green Day, but at the same time listening to stuff like Slayer. So we were like, 'I want to play in a band like that,' 'But I want to be in a band like that!' We compromised the two and made metalcore." See? You don't have to be as stupid as you sound now, do you? -Emogoth
Dumb, they sound poppy sometimes, and nowaways everything with "screaming" is metalcore these days, real metalcore calls for bands like Converge and SHai Hulud. The first person is right, just because they may have things that may be associated with metalcore it doesnt mean they are a metalcore band.With a name like Emogoth no one is going to take you seriously at all, to me you just sound like another kid cashing in the new fad. -raf
Okay dumbass, you asked for it. Converge is actually classified stoner jams, I am in fact an emogoth, and if you really want a fad, listen to that shitty hip hop. You don't seem to know fuck about real music, so shut up before I make you! Emogoth 16:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Still Not Metal

message: keeps on changing from metalcore to metal. User has violated the 3 revert rules multiple times within several days. User will not discuss his/her rationale for changes. User will not provide an online source that say that the band is "metal." User will be reverted each time he/she changes to from metalcore to metal. Everyone, please keep an eye on this user and revert him/her until he/she provide sources that the band is metal. Sarbox 07:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{vandal|66.215.204.240}} metalcore > metal 

message: It really doesn't matter what you think the band is. What is important is that you can verify what is written here. Since some magazines seem to disagree with the bands assesment of itself why don't you write something along the lines of "....while they see themselves as Metal musicmagazines like <insert name> classify them as Metalcore ... " Agathoclea 16:44, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: They are not nu-metal, they're hard rock. 
Jason 640 14:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre

message: Just for your information: Art Smith is NOT a former member of Avenged Sevenfold. He is a student at my school who has been repeatedly vandalising this page. Keep an eye on it.
Jstone123 21:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Art Smith..... 

message: People, they are METALCORE. They aren't classified as such to be insulted, it's simply a genre. If the band said they were Northern Hyperblast Whistle Metal some of you would believe them. You fanboys take them more seriously than they take themselves. They ARE NOT hardcore punk, get this through your skull. For instance, listen to a hardcore band such as Black Flag, and take note of their musical style. Then, compare this to Avenged Sevenfold. It's not shameful to be metalcore, so stop taking metal elitists so seriously and understand that metalcore is JUST A GENRE.
Convalesce990 19:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Avenged Sevenfold has stated themselves as being a metalcore band on past albums.HawkerTyphoon 19:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's not difficult 

message: A band cannot be hadcore punk/metalcore, since metalcore is the fusion of hardcore and heavy metal. The moron who disputes this shouldn't be listening to any core. The listing of hard rock is fine, because an advanced listener could probably find elements of hard rock in their music, especially their new album which strongly shows their influences. But citing them as hardcore/metalcore cannot continue.
70.135.2.100 20:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. Any two genres can be crossed, even if one of them is already a cross of what it's being crossed with. It's just a matter of how much influence is taken. Think of it as breeding dogs. You cross a border collie and a german sheppard. After this, you mix the collie/shepard with another german sheppard. Now you have a dog that is definately a german sheppard, but looks like a collie too. Gopherbassist 22:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This needs to be finished 

message: I'm considering contacting Larry Jacobson, their Manager, and seeing if he can help out with the article. It's just a quick email or MySpace message away. But until then, we really need to stick together with this article. It's a good article, don't get me wrong, but we can make it a lot better, in my opinion. What do you guys think? --CanesOL79 04:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We really need to get together and work on this 

message: Is it really true that The Rev is engaged to Leana & Zacky V dated Gena for 2 years? Of course, M. Shadows has a girlfriend named Valerie for twelve years now, and Synyster was(?) dating Valerie's sister.
Rev IS engaged, it is said Zacky broke up w/ his girl. Syn is single cuz he did date Valaries twin.
First of all, this is personal information and it's no one's business. So, I'm not going to tell you if it's true or not. I understand that now that Valary is the main character in their latest video, and a former manager of the band... she does have a place in the band's story and for that reason, I agree with her inclusion in these articles. She has played a large role in the success of this band. The other girls, or lack thereof (read: private information that is not needed in these articles) are best left out. This goes for other family members and friends who are not directly involved in the history of the band. For example, appropriate inclusions would be:
Brian's father, for playing guitar on the album.
Brian's long-term girlfriend, Michelle, who makes his clothes and is creating a clothing line for him.
Cam Rackam, a friend of the band who does their latest artwork. 
Everyone else should really just be left out of it. I'm sure they'd prefer that, as well. I would also like to ask anyone who is listening to rumors of break-ups, relationships with porn stars, etc. to be very wary of their sources because none of these things are true and they are started by jealous 14 year old fans (most of their fan-base) in response to learning of their happy, long-term relationships.
66.214.118.69 02:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Girlfriends

message: All of the other band members have pages. The Zacky Vengeance page should not be merged.
:Quite frankly, none of the members nor the band itself are notable. If there is going to be any mention of the group at all, it should be restricted to the main page.CynicalMe 05:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The band aren't noteable?! I hate them but it's hard to deny how popular they are. PLease Explain. XdiabolicalX 12:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Without the band, the members themselves are not notable, and there is not enough Wikipedia-worthy information about them to justify their own articles. CynicalMe 18:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Without any band the members are not noteable. There are plenty of other less noteable articles on Wikipedia anyway, and from a brief look, the Avenged Sevenfold members entrys look like they have alot more information warrenting their inclusion. XdiabolicalX 19:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there are many more non-notable articles on Wikipedia. However, that is not a justification for creating articles for every member of every band.CynicalMe 19:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with this. They do not need their own pages. There simply isn't enough appropriate* information about them, to begin with. *by that I mean, information about music-related accomplishments, other bands, history, etc. Not gossip/garbage. 66.214.118.69 22:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why merge Zacky Vengeance with Avenged Sevenfold? 

message: If you take a good look at this page, it looks....unclean. This page needs some good cleanup, and, if possible, some sort of severe cahnge in the member biography section. Do members really need individual biographies? I don't think so. And if they do, they should have their own pages, if anything. There is no need to clog up A7X's page. Most other notable bands on wikipedia don't have any of these present....if anything, they will link to individual bioographies. I suggest we simply remove these biographies from this page. Any objections? --Pookythegreat 09:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks unclean because I merged all the individual pages into this one. I don't think we need their bio info at all, but thats what I had to do. They are certainly not notable enough to require their own pages. If you don't think it belongs here, go ahead and delete it. CynicalMe 16:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Member Bios? 

message: I think that this website should be allowed to be listed.
It is a really great source for information the band, and is considered the number one Avenged Sevenfold fansite. The band has even addressed this.
Is there anyway that we can make an exception and let this one site be listed?
<B>BoaDrummer</B> 08:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? Anyone? If no one's going to address this, I'm going to relist the website. --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 02:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read WP:EL. Generally, if you can include the information off the site onto Wikipedia, that's much the preferred option! HawkerTyphoon 03:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added Chapter-Four to the external links. After reading what's acceptable under the fan site section, I believe it is alright to keep it up. The people that run the site have close contact with Avenged Sevenfold and their representatives. I think this is enough to let it stay up. --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 07:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter-Four.net? 

message: It contains some facts that were featured in the individual band member's biography pages, that were recently deleted. If you have anything to add, go ahead and post.<BR>
<B>BoaDrummer</B> 09:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it up. There were some spelling and grammatical errors that I cleaned up. --CanesOL79 19:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, sorry about any of those. Thanks! -- <B>BoaDrummer</B> 23:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I added a trivia section 

message: i love synyster gates... he is hot.. but does anyone know what type of guitar he has other than his gibson?!?
:Synyster doesn't use Gibsons, although he used to. He currently is sponsored by Schecter Guitars. Check out the main page to find more gear info. (Also, FYI, please start a new topic rather than extend on something that has nothing to do w/ your question).  --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 07:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guitars

message: Ok I am not understanding why someone deleted the member biography pages. Almost every other band that has a Wikipedia entry has members biogrphies unless there is too little or nothing known about the band. And someone posted that personal information should not be posted, why not, again there are very many other bands on Wikipedia that have all their personl information on them. What makes Avenged Sevenfold undeserving of these things. i have had alot of people aske me where they can find information about the band members and i have directed them to Wikipedia, and know someone has decided to remove that information. I think the member biographies should be put back up.
:I fully agree. There are many band's who's member's have their own pages. (Ask an I'll give you some.) I think they should be brought back. --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 06:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the fact that other band members have their own pages is not a justification for these members having them. each of the articles contained barely a paragraph of information, which can be easily included in the main article. CynicalMe 06:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at other band member pages (although I'm sure that you'll just delete them, as well). Steve Jocz hardly has anything. Jason McCaslin has as much as the Zacky Vengeance page had. I know, I added a lot to it. Dave Baksh has a small amount of info, as well. Spencer Chamberlain has a paragraph. Aaron Gillespie has even less. These people are notable in their respective genres. People come here to find information on them, but instead, can't if they don't have pages. It's easier to find information on a specific person rather than hunt through a bigger page for them. -- <B>BoaDrummer</B> 07:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Did Someone Delete It? 

message: In the newspaper here in Kansas, it said that Avenged Sevenfold were extremely Right-Winged/Republican. Can anyone confirm/deny this?--Mankvill 02:58, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know for a fact that M. Shadows is in fact a Republican, but I can't speak for other members. He stated in the (I believe) February issue of AP Magazine that in general, he's a Republican, but not a diehard.
-- <B>BoaDrummer</B> 05:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Political Views

message: We need some support to help bring back the member pages. I think it's ridiculous that these guys can't have their own pages, while numerous other bands do! If you agree, just add "Agree" and your signature (with the four tildas) at the bottom of this. If you don't support it, just ignore this and please don't go trying to lecture me on this one. I've had enough for now. Thanks. --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 22:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree whole-heartedly OmniAngel 23:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  TO voice your support in the location where the discussion is being held, hit Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Avenged_Sevenfold_Band_Member_Pages, and familiarise yourself with WP:BIO and WP:Notability. Thanks! HawkerTyphoon 23:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed with above. I don't think they deserve their own pages, they have done nothing noteable outside the band. Looking at the ZV page it seems like it basiacaly says the same as the main band article with more and I don't think we need such detailed information on their instruments on any page let alone many. --XdiabolicalX 23:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Member Bio Pages Support 

message: Not that it matters to me one way or the other, but isn't saying that Avenged Sevenfold left such-and-such because it's a dying genre, and then tacking on "and it is" after that the antithesis of the Wikipedian NPOV? Because whether or not a genre or subgenre of music is dying seems to me a very subjective POV and a hell of a hard thing to prove factually unless you're prepared to study hundreds of pages of Billboard charts and SoundScan data, and by the time you finished with that your "dying" genre would probably have rebounded back to popularity anyway. Music is cyclical by nature. BronzeWarrior 06:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only way that Metalcore is dying is that bands such as A7X and Trivium are changing their styles to fit whatever their fans now think is cool, which just so happens to be Hard Rock/Metal, look at Trivium for example they started out copying Melodic Death Metal then jumped to Metalcore after KsE hit it big and now they've jumped to a sound reminicent of Metallica which no one can deny as he is even copying Hetfield's vocals. I have it on good authority that they have dropped the screaming because that is a "barrier" to the mainstream. However this can only be good for metalcore as it wont be such a bad word any more that it's not related to these bands. XdiabolicalX 13:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I just saw the video for "Seize the Day" the other day (yes, I noticed the redundancy), and i couldn't help but to notice this one blond, spikey-haired guy in the background playing a guitar (or bass, couldn't tell). I can't recall seeing him on any of the band's previous videos, and he doesn't really appear much. Just wondering if he's a new member, or if it was meant as a cameo of some kind. Anyone know who I'm talking about? --Wikiwow 20:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless I'm mistaken, that's the bassist Johnny Christ with blond hair. -- <B>BoaDrummer</B> 06:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is Johnny Christ. --CanesOL79 17:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Member, or Cameo? 

message: I think this article need to be protected from editing by new members and anons, I would do it myself but I don't remember how to so if someone else would like to do it? 
XdiabolicalX 15:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: I don't know if this is true but i heard that shadows ripped his throat screaming during a concert, which is why he barely screams anymore. Should this be added?
:It has been added - he went for throat surgery, as he damaged his throat through 'singing'. HawkerTyphoon 23:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To clear this up for the last time, he went in for surgery, that part is true, but it in NO WAY contributed to his not screaming anymore. It was a decision by the band --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 05:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about his not being able to scream. He can't do vocals on the old songs from Waking the Fallen anymore (live). If you listen to pre-City of Evil concerts, then compare them to post-CoE, you can hear a BIG difference. --CanesOL79 17:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he CAN. But they chose not to. It has nothing to do with his ability to scream or what not. --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 23:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: M. Shadows Throat

message: What's up with the band's picture on this page that keep changing? I agree a pretty recent image should be used, but if it's a matter of copyright, etc. just stick with the one we got now. It gets pretty annoying, having to see a new pic everytime I check this article. The one with the red background was nice...--Wikiwøw 21:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It got deleted I suppose. And for future reference, underscores are not proper separation between comments. Use colons or skip a line next time, and sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~), even if you're just an IP. --Wikiwøw ­­ 20:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Someone keeps changing the guitarists' guitars. They should be for Zacky: Schecter S1 Models (Elite, Vengance Custom Models) and for Syn: Schecter C1-FR (White, Seymour Duncan Invader pickups, dot inlays) and Syn Custom Avenger Models. Whoever is changing it back to its incorrect form is most likely getting it from Chapter-Four.net, where it states the guitarists' equipment incorrectly: they have not added Syn's Avengers and does not state that Syn rarely uses his C1 anymore. Also,  Zacky's equipment is incorrect stating that he uses the "Pro" S1 Model, which does not exsist. I'd appreciate it if before anyone changes the equipment, that they consult this first.  --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 05:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitarist Equipment 

message: Okay, read this before changing any of the listed guitar equipment. Syn and Zacky ONLY use the guitars listed (S-1 Models /C-1 FR and Avenger Models)and NO OTHER ONES. A few times I have had to change it back from things ranging from the wrong model to guitars produced by completely different companies than their sponsor: Schecter Guitar Research. Know that there is no such thing as a Schecter S-1 Pro, Syn no longer uses Gibson or Ibanez guitars, and that both guitarists have their own custom models that they play almost exclusively.
<B>BoaDrummer</B> 06:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One more time EQUIPMENT 

message: This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it.  Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed.  I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy.  In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube links 

message: to whoever protected the page. About damn time! --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 03:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you.. 

message: Go to here http://www.chapter-four.net/ and go to the headline "Zacky Vengeance prefers wine not whine" He says so himsel. I'd change it but I'm too lazy to make a profile.71.164.36.124 12:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zaxky V's middle name isn't jonathan. 

message: Alright everyone let's all get together and create some Bio page's on the band member's! We REALLY need it. If you want to help me please give me some more info and idea's for the new article's! Thank you.A7X 900 03:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band Member Bio's 

message: Requesting a7x to be put in the catorgorites: Metalcore musical groups, and Americian Heavy Metal Musical groups DragonDanceSL 20:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  catergories 

message: Merger Proposal - The Untitled Fourth Avenged Sevenfold Album
article should be merged back into this parent article.  The Untitled Fourth Avenged Sevenfold Album page reads more like a news article rather than an encyclopedia entry.  There does not seem to be enough information available to maintain the Untitled Fourth Avenged Sevenfold Album article as a separate article.  If you look at how other articles using the Future Album template handle announcing the proposed release of a future album Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Future_album, you will see that they include the news about the potential release of a new album within the parent article.  Please register your signed arguments for or against this proposal below.  Please base your arguments on Wikipedia policy, guidelines, and/or precedent.  Also, to ensure that your arguments are understood, please add Merge or Do Not Merge before your arguments.  Any editor may make a conclusion on the consensus of the provided arguments in five days (on December 17, 2006 on or after 14:15) and that editor may take the action directed by the consensus.  Please note that the consensus will be based on the arguments provided, not the Merge or Do Not Merge vote count.--Jreferee 14:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge.  (i) There is not enough information available to support Untitled Fourth Avenged Sevenfold Album as a separate article.  Further, since the album will have a title, the present name of this Wikipedia article will change and until a permanent name for the article can be established, it is premature to maintain this article on its own; (ii) Other parent articles in similar circumstances to not break out future album announcements in separate article Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Future_album--Jreferee 14:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Merge. Agreed. There is no solid information about the album to warrant an entry on it, and the page name would have to be changed once it has a title anyway. Musikxpert 22:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Merge. Good for a section in the original article, not as a seperate entry. Once it is released, an actual page with the name should be created. Wikipedia is not a news site. StevenBao(talk) 22:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't Merge. I don't believe the page is simply a news article. It has information that was released by the band that regards the album, which will obviously be updated as more information is released by them. Is it not OK for the page to be moved once the title is released? Simply delete it when it CAN be moved.  --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 06:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Do not Merge. While I typically do not believe in creating article placeholders, there seems to be enough information and page establishment that the article should stay as is. I believe that when fans and interested parties are searching for this said album, this collected resource will actually be beneficial within that search. Once the album is scheduled for release with a name and date, this article should be moved to the standard album title (article) format. -- immunity 22:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Do not Merge. Agreed with Immunity, there seems to be enough information to support the page's being there. --Prof. Tor Coolguy 04:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Do not Merge.  Metallica has a page for their unrealeased album; which is not a great deal more informative than this one. The Wiki Priest 22:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Untitled Fourth Avenged Sevenfold Album proposal

message: :Merge.  (i) There is not enough information available to support Untitled Fourth Avenged Sevenfold Album as a separate article.  Further, since the album will have a title, the present name of this Wikipedia article will change and until a permanent name for the article can be established, it is premature to maintain this article on its own; (ii) Other parent articles in similar circumstances to not break out future album announcements in separate article Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Future_album--Jreferee 14:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge. Agreed. There is no solid information about the album to warrant an entry on it, and the page name would have to be changed once it has a title anyway. Musikxpert 22:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Merge. Good for a section in the original article, not as a seperate entry. Once it is released, an actual page with the name should be created. Wikipedia is not a news site. StevenBao(talk) 22:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: :Don't Merge. I don't believe the page is simply a news article. It has information that was released by the band that regards the album, which will obviously be updated as more information is released by them. Is it not OK for the page to be moved once the title is released? Simply delete it when it CAN be moved.  --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 06:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not Merge. While I typically do not believe in creating article placeholders, there seems to be enough information and page establishment that the article should stay as is. I believe that when fans and interested parties are searching for this said album, this collected resource will actually be beneficial within that search. Once the album is scheduled for release with a name and date, this article should be moved to the standard album title (article) format. -- immunity 22:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Do not Merge. Agreed with Immunity, there seems to be enough information to support the page's being there. --Prof. Tor Coolguy 04:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Do not Merge.  Metallica has a page for their unrealeased album; which is not a great deal more informative than this one. The Wiki Priest 22:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not Merge

message: <B>Since the votes were 4 to 3, in favor with keeping the page, voted to keep.</b> --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 03:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Decision

message: Why was the protection of the page removed? I've already had to go back and remove vandalism done to the band members page. I think it should be protected again. --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 06:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed semi-protection? 

message: Whoever put melodic hardcore for the genre of A7X in the beginning introduction is a dumbass. Melodic hardcore is used to describe bands like Anti-Flag and Rise Against. I just wrote that they are a heavy metal band, since I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that they're metal, of whatever variety.
-Razorhead
I think that's a reasonable change.A7X 900 01:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodic hardcore? 

message: this page seems to have been hit with some sever vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.57.153.126 (talk) 08:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Severe vandalism