Category talk:Criminals

message: Please see the discussion on the Category: Murderers page about the POV nature of these categories when the convictions are widely disputed.--Jack Upland 07:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cat renaming 

message: *Support--A  Y  Arktos 01:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:Disbarred attorneys should not be linked to this cateogory about criminals via a see also reference 

message: *Support. —Psychonaut 07:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:Disbarred attorneys should be linked to this category about criminals via a see also reference 

message: During the last week, the RfC has not attracted a lot of interest, however there are three editors who support the view that Category:Disbarred attorneys should not be linked to this cateogory about criminals via a see also reference and only one editor who supports the view that Category:Disbarred attorneys should be linked to this category about criminals via a see also reference.  One week is generally sufficient time for comments to be gathered.  Accordingly I propse to remove the link.--A Y Arktos\talk 11:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conclusion of RfC for time being 

message: I would like to propose that we do not use this category directly, rather that we use the appropriate sub-category for the crime committed. These are my reasons:
# The category is to wide-encompassing and does not discriminate between someone being convicted for stealing a pair of jeans at WAL-MART and a mass murdererer, or a rapist
# Some bios were added to this category for people that that were indicted of crimes in non-democratic countries. For example, Mahmoud_Asgari_and_Ayaz_Marhoni were listed as criminals because they were hanged in Iran for having engaged in gay sex.
# If a person comitted a crime, it should be categorized on the specific crime sub-cat to have any meaningful encyclopedic value. Otherwise we are doing a diservice to readers by allowing POV pushing and asserting guilt by association
≈ jossi ≈  t • @ 22:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with renaming the category to the above.  There is less room for argument there, as there is with simply calling someone a criminal. VegaDark 19:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that this category needs to be renamed at the very least; or better still, that living people should not be added to it. I can't actually think of a single reason the category might be helpful. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I may zombify this thread, I'd agree one or other would be at least a start, though I'd have the opposite preference as to which, as regards precision and NPOV.  Not that one should neglect the BLP and "suing the Foundation to smithereens" aspects entirely, of course.  If the bald statement "<X> is a <Y>" would be inappropriate (or is unsourced) in the article text, we really shouldn't be adding [[:Category:<Y>s]] to [[<X>]], and having categories that are suspectible to such concerns is better avoided altogether for "occasion of sin" reasons, even if there are some clear-cut examples by any measure.  (e.g. person known to be a career criminal, has multiple convictions for a range of violent offences, and has been quoted as saying "I'm a criminal" by a reputable news organisation.)  The previous CFR was half a year ago, so revisiting it now is by no means out of order, especially given the lack of a clear consensus either way, IMO started at the wrong place (i.e. here, at the root of the hierarchy would have been better), and didn't attract all that many eyeballs anyway.  Alai 19:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of this category 

message: There's a debate at Category talk:American criminals about the threshold for including that category in articles.  The issues raised are relevant to this category and all of its sub-categories, so I thought I'd direct attention to it. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 02:52, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debate about threshold for inclusion at [[Category talk:American criminals]]