Talk:Timbaland plagiarism controversy

message: Two more musicians/producers had parts of their tracks stolen, without getting credits or compensation. Youtube proofs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGrvf7HCZgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bj6IhZbYFY
Could anybody write a paragraph about it and add it to this or Timbaland's main article? Guest Account (talk) 09:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Timbaland steals from even more musicians

message: not a valid reference, but not meant as one either, just a piece of chronology? i think it might as well stay. // Gargaj 22:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to draw up a timeline of events ... feel free... but posting an IRC "initial date" which cant be verified or referenced has to go from the primary article body. Remember our policy is "verifiable" not "truth"... while it may be true it was first mentioned on IRC... we have no way to validate that!  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 23:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you are reffering to this? http://www.myspace.com/kelelerocmusic -- she has made a version with her vocals on top of the backing track to Timberlakes "My Love" to "prove the simliarities". The song she claims is ripped off is a UK Garage-tune, and does in fact not match the Timberlake song at all.. at least, as far as I can hear. :)
69.33.99.3 21:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If your referring to the song "My Love" by Marit Bergman (she's swedish) then your mistaken and so are they, she did a cover of my love ... not the other way around.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 00:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  irc 

message: Bear with me, as I'm not native Finnish, but I can understand a lot of it ;)
Onko Nellyn hitti Suomesta? (Does Nelly's hit originate from Finland?)
Furtadoa Suomessa edustavan Universal-levy-yhtiön kotimaisen tuotannon päällikkö Hannu Sormunen kuulee Iltalehdeltä ensi kertaa konemusiikkipiirejä raivostuttaneesta tapauksesta. «Jos artisti aikoo viedä asiaa eteenpäin, on hänen mentävä Amerikkaan ja kohdattava sikäläinen lakikäytäntö. Se vaatii aikamoista uskoa asiaansa ja tietysti rahaa,» Sormunen toteaa.
 
The manager who represents Furtado in record company Universal's local office, Hannu Sormunen, got to know the first time from {Finnish tabloid} Iltalehti about the controversy which presently lets the computer music scene fly off the handle: «In case that the {computer music} artist decides to pursue the matter further, it's on him to go to America and confront them with the local use of law. It will require a considerable amount of faith and, of course, money», Sormunen states. -andy 80.129.99.173 09:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice:) I am finn myself,and I don't see anything to edit there;) Solarius 21:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That was no "andy goes bragging about language knowledge" exercise, but it was rather meant to include some snippets from it into the main article, if anyone wants to. :P -andy 80.129.99.173 22:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I would've translated "konemusiikki" as "electronic music" rather than "computer music", but otherwise ok. --Viznut 10:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, good point, I added that cite and I edited it little bit, mostly text within { and }. check it out, and edit if there is something wrong;) Solarius 12:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Excellent. Did I ever state I love teamwork? No? :) BTW, it would be a good thing to remove the superfluous second reference in the list far below. I'd rather not meddle my dirty fingers into it and break something ... -andy 80.129.89.115 23:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: A minor grammar correction - in the original Finnish text Universal represents Furtado and Sormunen is the manager for domestic production. The English version should read something like "Hannu Sormunen, the manager for domestic production of Universal, the record label representing Furtado in Finland". (My first time editing something on Wikipedia, please feel free to correct the layout if I screwed something up) 82.181.15.166 15:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK me again...Please change to who and do not use "which" with people. Thanks :) -andy 80.129.106.252 01:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  here translated iltalehti section (important part) 

message: This is a very comprehensive and well-sourced article, so well done to the user(s) who wrote it. I'm a little concerned about the level of detail in the description of the media coverage of the controversy; it seems as if every article or website reporting it has been mentioned in this article. Perhaps a couple of the not-so-notable ones should be removed? Extraordinary Machine 22:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, the media coverage section still seems to reflect the situation some weeks ago, when there were only a couple of "reliable" sources to refer to. As the story continued spreading into more and more notable media, people just collected them in the media coverage section. Now that we're past the peak of the media coverage, it's perhaps the right time to remove the excessive sources. Some information (such as the speculations about SidStation and the comment from Universal's representative) could also be moved to other parts of the article. --Viznut 08:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of media coverage 

message: IF you read the myspace blog, she doesn't accuse anybody of anything. She says that the *chorus* is *similar*. She also gives no information (from what I can see) about when her version was released, or where I can hear it. There is also no 3rd party confirmation or details on what was similar. So I think it's really baseless. Please provide more info. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Monkeyman334 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Myspace / Kele Le Roc Allegation

message: The pouet link goes to a nonsensical, unrelated different thread. It should go here: http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=3627&page=1
Gigertron 01:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Thanks for noticing. --Viznut 07:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  pouet 

message: The link to Mercury News "Did Super Producer Timbaland copy the track of "Do It" off of Finnish producer Janne Suni?." is broken and the article does seems to have been removed from the site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.227.1.158 (talk) 02:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Link 

message: Perhaps a mention of Scott Storch dissing Timbaland for not making his own beats?  // Gargaj 07:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott Storch? 

message: what about the other 3 Arabic songs Timbaland illegally sampled for Aaliyah's and Utada's music? 
You can see the 2 videos here:
1st Video 2nd Video - Omernos 00:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The charge isn't simply that he used someone else's song, but that it was used without permission and no credit was given. I would like to see more evidence of that before making an accusation. Monkeyman334 11:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Plagiarism cases 

message: Why are the sources I cited for this section unacceptable?
Asharm 05:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Pimpin' section 

message: I added some info that Tempests' website was recently updated. 
This is clearly not NPOV, so I'll add it here.. : 
My guess is that Tempest was simply paid off some $, where a part of the deal was that he had to keep his mouth about the case to prevent more bad PR. Media generally seems to have forgotten about it, and more headlines surely wouldn't be a good thing for Timbaland et.al. at this point.
Poor integrity on Tempests behalf? Maybe. But everyone probably got what they wanted. Chroz 15:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: Good work creating this article in such short time!--HamedogTalk|@ 13:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. Very good article for something that happened so recently. - JNighthawk 15:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Regarding this: "The case was also reported briefly by the Rolling Stone website.[21]" -- actually, it is now covered again, in a much larger article, which also appeared on the top-spot of their website for several hours. The new link is http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/01/18/is-timbaland-a-thief/ and the proof of the first-page posting is here http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5766/ownedpg6.jpg
Suni has updated his website  with the following statement:
"I'll correct one persistent misconception: I have been using the services of a law firm since September 2006. I expect to have more information to publish by Tuesday." 213.130.254.133 15:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: *What about this, which was removed from the Timbaland article itself? 
"Another song in Nelly Furtado's album Loose has the same allegations as 'Do It'. 'Wait for You' is told to be plagiarized from a Turkish folk music song 'Allah Allah Desem Gelsem' by Muhlis Akarsu, famous folk music singer. It is believed that the Bağlama (a kind of traditional instrument) sample is used in Nelly's song by Timbaland illegaly. A video comparing the two songs was posted on Youtube.http://beconfused.com/blog/2008/01/15/timbaland-rips-tune-from-allah-allah-desem-gelsem/ 
The owner of the record group of Muhlis Akarsu has referred to IFPI about the issue. 
However, there are several other Middle Eastern songs where it is believed that Timbaland has illegally sampled from them. A video posted on Youtube claims to show proof that Jay-Z's song Big Pimpin has stolen samples from Abdel Halim Hafez's song "Khosara" and Aaliyah's songs "Don’t Know What To Tell Ya" and "More Than A Woman" have the whole background from Warda's Batwanness Bik and Mayada El Hennawi's Alouli Ensa respectively.http://youtube.com/watch?v=1X58UPPKDsY 
Another posted video shows similarities between   
Utada Hikaru's  Exodus ’04 and Aitha Al Menhali's Meshkeltek.http://youtube.com/watch?v=l_goBj3iZ7w +  
Yet another video shows how similar are the songs Ne-Yo and Fabulous' Makes Me Better and Sherine's Aal Saaban Aleh. The common point of these videos is that Timbaland took big parts of the songs without making big alterations and without giving credit to the artists.http://youtube.com/watch?v=ORsHlKSyvBo" Funkynusayri (talk) 14:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the way Timbaland allegedly stole the riff from Crystal Castles' Courtship Dating on Ayo Technology? 194.125.32.214 (talk) 23:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's the case maybe you should rename the article Timbaland plagiarism controversies and list each of them. SharkD  Talk  08:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other cases 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "eDome" :
** Yhdysvaltalaistuottaja pölli suomalaismuusikolta (Finnish)
** Yhdysvaltalaistuottaja pölli suomalaismuusikolta
DumZiBoT (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: The latest news is about a case had been filed in Florida in 2009. What happened then? // Liftarn (talk)
According to this the case was dismissed since the judge did not see it as a US work. // Liftarn (talk)
:http://www.copyhype.com/2011/06/timbaland-wins-2nd-sampling-lawsuit-in-3-months/ 130.237.57.87 (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.scribd.com/doc/64219598/Kernel-Records-Oy-v-Timothy-Mosley-Appellate-Brief 130.237.57.87 (talk) 15:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand these links correctly, it would probably still be possible to sue elsewhere in the world... 130.237.57.87 (talk) 15:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

text: The case is on appeal. Oral arguments were held May 2012, so a decision is pending, probably a few more months still. Hartboy (talk) 13:56, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is very disgusting that this already-rich rap thug can win such a case by throwing money at judges, and the guy who did the compositional work gets nothing. Definitely a case of "one law for the rich". 86.164.200.121 (talk) 02:16, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened? 

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