Talk:Macromedia HomeSite

message: The features section was flagged advert, so needs some rewriting.  IMO these are the lines that would need the most work, or that seem to be more marketing-flavored. Suggestions for rewording welcomed.  --jwilkinson 23:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  features - advert flagging, rewrite discussion 

message: On 13:25, 10 September 2007, someone (user was an IP) removed the phrase "powerful syntax coloring" from the history of what Allaire added, explaining "Bradbury's original Homesite already had extensive syntax coloring before Allaire acquired the software. Allaire may have expanded it, but they did not add it."   
While I recall that the pre-Allaire HomeSite had syntax highlighting, I believe it wasn't very powerful or customizable by the user, at least compared to what was added.  It just had an options dialog of some areas that you could assign different colors.  (different types of tags, text, script, etc?)  
Allaire added the TSyntaxMemo scriptable syntax coloring, which is not only more powerful, but far more customizable.  Users have written additional syntax highlighting add-ons for new languages in HomeSite.   I think the TSyntaxMemo Parser was added around version 4.0.  Does anyone recall? 
I'd suggest we put back the text, perhaps modified to make it clear that Allaire improved the syntax highlighting and made it more customizable & extensible.  Any thoughts or opinions on this suggested change?  --jwilkinson 23:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  history - syntax highlighting 

message: Currently this text has some citation needed flags: 
While many software companies at the time had WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) website creation tools where the user never saw the code, Nick Bradbury created a product that was code centric and loved by those that preferred to work directly in the code, a concept that was dubbed "What You See Is What You Need."
 
Would it be more NPOV and considered more verified-verifiable to change 'loved' to 'popular'?  Having been a user at the time, I can confirm that the statement is true with many I corresponded with in the forums, though those old forums are gone now, so I'm not sure what would count as an acceptable citation.  Would a link to a product review that mentions its popularity with users suffice?  
Secondly, on the "What You See Is What You Need." phrase, that was a marketing phrase used by Allaire to describe the interface, and to contrast it with WYSIWYG.  What type of citation would be sufficient to validate that?   (We'd only have to validate that HS was dubbed that, not that the WYSIWYN is true) A simple google on WYSIWYN and HomeSite finds a number of reviews and copies of Allaire's marketing blurb mentioning this.  Some listed below.  --jwilkinson 23:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the sentences in question.  --jwilkinson 19:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation needed discussion 

message: I made some updates to this Macromedia HomeSite page, as one of the volunteers who help support HomeSite users.  Hopefully my edits maintain the style and objectivity of the content.  
I had added a link to part of my own site, but now I'm not sure if that's ok.
I'm a wikipedia newbie, and just came across the policies on external links which say not to add links to a site you own, but to suggest it in the talk.
I had added the following to External Links.
ASP4HS, ASP, PHP, .Net, XML, XSL, SQL development extensions for HomeSite, user community add-on repository
I also added a specific link within the feature text, mentioning that "Syntax-coloring parser syntax and examples are available to help users to extend or write their own." and linking to my own site's page where that information is posted.   Since Macromedia doesn't offer one place with all this information I'd suggest this is a useful link.
I'll leave it up to you all whether to leave these in or remove it.  
I would say that my site is free and non-commercial and this portion is all about HomeSite. I run it as a non-Macromedia volunteer, and that I offer a lot of information on using HomeSite, as well as a repository place for a great many user-created extensions to HomeSite.  My site is one of the only current *active* HomeSite user sites.  If that's not worth linking to, I'm not sure what is.
Thanks for considering and for guiding me in wikipedia ettiquette.
jeff wilkinson, jwilkinson 20:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  link addition question - asp4hs 

message: It's nice to know that there are others out there who also have a place in their hearts for HomeSite. In so many ways, it seems to me to be the quintessential web development tool. Consider how many years have gone by since there's been active development on HomeSite, yet its features are current-- XHTML support, CSS support, Validation, etc.-- all of these features were available in an editor which was given to us before it's time. One might wonder how HomeSite might have continued to help pave the way for the Web Standards that we follow today, and how it would likely lead us into tomorrow-- how an enhanced development tool might develop with the Hand Coder in mind, not a WYSIWYG software user. At least we have each other's support, and the custom add-on's made by the HomeSite community to keep us smiling for many years to come. 
:Well said. HomeSite is definitely still a useful and powerful tool, mainly because of all that ability to let users customize and extend it in so many ways. Heck, I've recently received new user-written HS extensions to provide support for XSLT, XML, Python and even Ruby and Ruby-on-Rail. I'm still hopeful that Adobe will realize the potential and will pick up the ball on HomeSite's future where Macromedia mostly dropped it (though users may have to push them a bit).  --jwilkinson 21:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's right.  CF Studio was always a version of HomeSite that had extra features to provide some powerful support for ColdFusion development.  That got renamed and sort of merged in with DWMX.  I don't think they still sell a separate product that just has HomeSite and the extra CF support. Did you see the item, FAQ: What is HomeSite+? How is it different from HomeSite? (that's my version) --jwilkinson 21:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: To add a little detail to the history...  As I understand it, when Allaire bought HomeSite, it was specifically so that they could extend it into a development tool for CF. They kept selling the standalone version that wasn't so CF-centric, but the main reason for the purchase was so they could have that tool.  Keep in mind that ColdFusion was competing with Microsoft's ASP/etc, which had their own development tools.  Allaire certainly couldn't rely on Microsoft adding CF support to FrontPage, MS Studio, etc.  And just to clarify, HomeSite (standalone) isn't tied too strongly to CF though, and works well with ASP, PHP, .Net and other languages. --jwilkinson 21:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HomeSite+ and ColdFusion Studio 

message: Is there any possibility for the proper Unicode(UTF-8) support by HS 5.5/+ ?
:It has been a problem in HS 5.5.  You might see  HomeSite TechNote: Unicode issues in HomeSite/HomeSite+ 5.5
:Hope this helps. jwilkinson 21:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unicode support 

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