Talk:Melbourne, Florida

message: "This 4 laned interstate passes through the city limits, but no exit ramps are located in the city."
Okay, exit 180 on US 192 is in West Melbourne, but exit 183 on Eau Gallie isn't within Melbourne city limits? -DynSkeet (talk)
Last I was aware, this was still county jurisdiction. Mcmillen76 22:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I-95

message: There is a format that was used, which I removed that had indicators locating Melbourne near adjacent towns. This might be good for the whole US if we could agree on a standardized format. In some other cases, location was in the info box, which seems good to me. But arrows can be okay too. I would prefer that boldface be removed. It seemed to prominent. Geography is definitely the best place for it. And geography needs to be near the front of the article anyway. I would appreciate the opinion of others if they can be found! Student7 16:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: to quote the brain trust that is known simply as Bill and Ted - "Excellent" Cstella23 17:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Location

message: Other City articles contain info on theme parks & recreation -- see Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson Township, New Jersey or "Kissimmee is home to a 650-person capacity outdoor water park..." FieldMarine 23:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These articles will be changed eventually. I'm not interested in these two places or I would change them myself. (Since you looked them up and found them in violation, please feel free!) It is not Wikipedia policy to promote an area. If an article sounds like it has been written by the c-of-c, it should be deleted and start over. It is spam. Student7 01:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rethought this answer. Some things are "Too Big to Ignore." If it were Six Flags, it would have to be mentioned IMO, with probably a link to the probable article on Six Flags. I think the Kissimmee reference is appropriate if it gives NO external link to the water park. Might have an external reference/footnote though. The size of the attraction proportionate to the town needs to be considered. Andretti might have to be mentioned in Grant/Valkaria as a "car park" or whatever because it would be major in that small place. Hypocritical? Maybe. But I think justified.Student7 17:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recreation 

message: I've been reading some of the recent changes to this article.  It seems like there are things to consider when when expanding this article.  First off, please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's writing style (link to Manual of Style is on top of the page now)
Instead of arguing over what should or should not be in an article... or whether a business listing should be placed into the article, keep in mind what this article's main goal is and where this article is placed.  This is a Wikipedia article, not a yellow pages listing, so I seriously would not place things like Andretti's in there (I have nothing against Andretti's... I mean I go there frequently).  
If you want to see what the "big" articles are doing, find a Wikipedia Community rated "Featured Article", which is an article that is written VERY well and was placed on the Wiki main page for "display".  An example would be San Francisco, California.  (You may cite WP:NPOV on me because I'm from there, but this is just to give you an example of what a good article should contain.
That being said - if you feel that attraction in Melbourne are really that interesting and you have enough information and sources to cite to certify notability, feel free to make a new article titled something along the lines of Melbourne, Florida Attractions.  Attractions may include landmarks, museums, zoos, beaches, parks, entertainment, sports, famous food, shopping centers, and other points of interest.
If you need further help in the article, I'd suggest first writing the section in the Wikipedia:Sandbox and place a link to this discussion page so it can be peer-reviewed before it gets deployed.  This way your work won't get reverted by random users like User:Student7 (<- that's not a personal attack, only citing example from article history).  
I'd also like users to discuss more on proposals on how to improve the article before making drastic changes, such as proposing new sections, proposing reverting an article to an earlier time.  Afterwards, I'd give wikipedia users at least 2-7 days to respond.  This way you can back up your reasons to change something instead of just seeing random changes.
I hope this helps.  Jameson L. Tai 10:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah go ahead, I didn't realize someone took the time to write a Brevard Zoo article already.  In this case, you might want to just see if there are other articles already made for the attractions section.  You can model San Francisco, having a "San Francisco Attractions" NaviBox and the bottom of the page.  If you need help making one, I just learned how to make that last week, so let me know.  San Francisco is a city as well as a county, so if you believe that there isn't enough attractions to make a Melbourne Attractions, then perhaps Brevard Attractions, which will give you much, much more to list on the NaviBox.  Good luck and happy editing!  Jameson L. Tai 16:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Changes and Formatting 

message: I would like to propose a series of reformatting to the Melbourne, Florida article so it fits the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Guideline.
To quote their article:
This is a guideline for the structure of city articles on Wikipedia, as established through the years by consensus of WikiProject Cities. This guideline was constructed specifically for U.S. Cities, although could be used on virtually any other city in the world with some minor modifications.
The order of sections is also completely optional, and sections may be moved around to a different order based on the needs of their city. Editors are strongly encouraged, however, to at least begin with the lead/infobox, followed by history, geography, demographics, and economy, since these sections have some good basic information that might be sought after by readers first. Beyond that, editors working on city articles are advised to come to a consensus that works best for the city in question.
While it is just a guideline and there are no requirements to follow it in editing, it contains some of the basic elements of a city article, as well as useful tips that would help to bring the article to good article or featured article status.
== History ==
== Geography ==
=== Climate ===
== Economy ==
==Arts and culture==
=== Annual cultural events ===
=== Museums and other points of interest ===
== Sports ==
== Parks and recreation ==
== Government ==
== Education ==
== Media ==
== Infrastructure ==
===Transportation===
===Utilities===
===Healthcare===
== Notable natives and residents ==
== Other topics ==
== Sister cities ==
== See also ==
== References ==
== Further reading ==
== External links ===
I like it...it seems very complete.  Perhaps we could use this format for the surrounding cities as well.  I made a few suggested additions & changes as reflected below. FieldMarine 12:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good.  The only thing you changed was the Performing Arts section, right?  Next time just italicize the difference so other editors don't have to match the entire list... :D  If we get more people agreeing to do this, let's start in3 days Jameson L. Tai 16:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you have enough data to start reformatting in 3 days?  I'll help, but I'm currently rewriting the Florida Institute of Technology article, as well as their sub-articles (In the past 14 days, I have revamped that article, created List of Florida Institute of Technology Colleges and Laboratories, Template:FloridaTechTemplate, revised Category:Florida Institute of Technology as well as a couple others... so I've got my hands full at the moment.  But let me know if you need help with stuff.  Jameson L. Tai 17:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Cool, more Florida Tech alums!  I actually was working on my first translation page...Wow... I thought editing in English was hard... I'm still not done yet... primarily because the Chinese Wikipedia doesn't like make of the scripts and {{}} commands that was inserted (and most of the pictures don't work right because it was uploaded as a en:Wiki picture only... but we have a very very very rough translation of Melbourne, Florida now in Chinese, thanks to Google Translate.  I'll be working on fixing word usage, grammar, pretty much everything eventually, but something tells me I should probably hold off until we get the English version right first.  Jameson L. Tai 00:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Getting to be a nice looking and informative article thanks to the efforts of you two editors!Student7 16:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Reformatting of the Melbourne, Florida article 

message: The FloridaToday Fact Book contains info about the naming of Melbourne.  I propose we add the following sentence in the History section: "Another version on the naming of the city was that in 1880, the daughter of homesteader Richard W. Goode “drew its name on the longest of three broom straws."Florida Today. The Fact Book: Your Guide to Brevard County (Melbourne, FL: Florida Today, February 28, 2004), 5. This would follow the sentence "The city was mistakenly named Melbourne, after what the locals believed to be the first postmaster's home city (Melbourne, Australia); he was really from New Zealand."
===Footnotes===
What do you think? Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 15:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm... Really? Drawing straws?  Although I don't like the whole drawing straws thing... if it's really how Melbourne, Florida came to be... then go ahead... I'd like to see that book now.  I wonder if there's a copy of that lying around in the Florida Tech Evans Library... OH YEAH!  I have a book about Melbourne I forgot to pick up.  I'll go do that.  I'll be reading... :D  (oh my god... a college student... READING?!?!?!?!?!)  - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 16:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it sounds funny, but I have heard the story several times through the years.  I googled "drew its name on the longest of three broom straws" & it came up under FloridaToday & discover Brevard websites.  I'm OK with leaving it out as an unverifiable legend if you think it's too far fatched. Also, another way we can say it is: "One legend of how the city received its name suggest that in 1880, the daughter of homesteader Richard W. Goode “drew its name on the longest of three broom straws." Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 16:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a columnist who writes local history for Florida Today. Weona Cleveland, I think. She should have a book at Fl Tech library. Even though Fl Today may use her info, quoting her book might sound better IF it has an index or easy to reference story on the topic. Student7 (talk) 21:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: What do you think? Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 15:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm... Really? Drawing straws?  Although I don't like the whole drawing straws thing... if it's really how Melbourne, Florida came to be... then go ahead... I'd like to see that book now.  I wonder if there's a copy of that lying around in the Florida Tech Evans Library... OH YEAH!  I have a book about Melbourne I forgot to pick up.  I'll go do that.  I'll be reading... :D  (oh my god... a college student... READING?!?!?!?!?!)  - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 16:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it sounds funny, but I have heard the story several times through the years.  I googled "drew its name on the longest of three broom straws" & it came up under FloridaToday & discover Brevard websites.  I'm OK with leaving it out as an unverifiable legend if you think it's too far fatched. Also, another way we can say it is: "One legend of how the city received its name suggest that in 1880, the daughter of homesteader Richard W. Goode “drew its name on the longest of three broom straws." Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 16:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a columnist who writes local history for Florida Today. Weona Cleveland, I think. She should have a book at Fl Tech library. Even though Fl Today may use her info, quoting her book might sound better IF it has an index or easy to reference story on the topic. Student7 (talk) 21:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes

message: You are all doing great work! A new (and old) reference pertain to "adjacent" beaches. I like "walls" around city articles - they are famous for themselves and not as gateways to some other area. Melbourne actually owns a strip of beach where the Melbourne Beach Hilton sits, and maybe a few inches either way up and down the beach. Well, probably more than that, but it's not gigantic. Anyway, it haa a legitimate claim to its own beach. It does not need to be a "gateway" to somebody else's. Let Indialantic (where I live BTW) promote their own beach. Keep up the good work! Student7 (talk) 21:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Beaches

message: It seems unusual to mention specific healthcare organizations. Why not just say: There are x hospitals containing xxx beds, 6 nursing homes for the elderly, n urgent care centers, that sort of thing. It tends to look like spam. For example, Osler is mentioned but not OMNI nor MIMA. I don't think that is important. We have a hundred doctors (don't even think quantity is important). Student7 (talk)
:Hospitals may not be notable in and of themselves, but as part of an article, they can be useful to gauge the quality of healthcare available in a city. IMNSHO, none of the other establishments in the health care section should be there, as they are non-notable. (If some type of non-hospital healthcare facility existed in the city, that would be a different story, but the Betty Ford Center is in  California...) Take a look at Fort Lauderdale, Florida#Healthcare; none of the three hospitals have their own articles, and it's unlikely that they ever will, because despite their attributes, they are not inherently notable. The information there is presented in prose form, rather than a list, which is a must if you wish for the article to make it to Good Article status. Horologium t-c 23:56, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Healthcare

message: Data seems to have disappeared from this subsection. I am guessing that is why someone tried to delete.Student7 (talk) 23:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I undid the delete so I could try to find the missing data, then I fell asleep on my keyboard... lol  - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 09:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sister Cities

message: Added image of Rail Historical Marker to rail section.  I do not object if this is removed...I thought I would put it out as a test.  Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 01:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rail Historical Marker

message: Per this edit, I reverted the Viera High School internal link on the article.  Reason: Viera High School is in Viera, Florida, not Melbourne, Florida.  The school also was not in one of the Brevard School District's list of high schools in Melbourne when I created this list a couple months back.  - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 02:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, Palm Bay High School is located in Melbourne. Their address can be found on the bottom of their home page: http://palmbay.hs.brevard.k12.fl.us/ kevinthenerd (talk) 01:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They have Melbourne ZIP code but they are not in Melbourne.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.213.141.82 (talk) 18:27, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that the remark immediately above refers to Viera which has a Melbourne mailing address but is not in Melbourne. It is not important what address Palm Bay High School has. They are clearly within the city limits of Melbourne. A glance at the map will tell you that. The school may have been built in the county and Melbourne gobbled it up when Palm Bay was looking elsewhere at the time. Student7 (talk) 21:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viera High School link removal 

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message: I went to high school in Melbourne. It was always easy for everybody to tell if someone wasn't from around there because they pronounced it like Australia's "MEL born" instead of the true pronunciation of the city, "MEL burn". Almost everybody in the city pronounces it "MEL burn," and the few that don't haven't lived there very long. I propose that a pronunciation guide be added to the page, but I have no sources that I can cite to prove my case. Can anyone help me? kevinthenerd (talk) 01:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me, BUT you will get less objection if standard dictionary type pronunciation letters are used. See Melbourne for example. I can't help you with those funny letters. Sorry. Student7 (talk) 11:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Uh, I understand what you're saying, but proper phonics would pronounce it as "mel-born".  You'll probably also need a citation sourcing where you got the "Mel-burn" pronunciation from.  And uh, I don't know about the funny letters either...lol  - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 20:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Just so you know, Australia's Melbourne is pronounced "Mel-bin". --124.171.206.89 (talk) 13:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: lulz @ mel-bin... -_-; - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ guestbook ♦ contribs 15:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

text:  In reality, though, I don't think a citation for the pronunciation of the city name (it is indeed Mel-burn) is necessary -- it's just a fact.  For example, Chili, New York, which is pronounced chy-lie (not chili like the food), does not cite that pronunciation. Lumbergh (talk) 08:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't work that way in Wikipedia. No "fact" is privileged; if someone challenges a statement, it must be supported by a citation of a reliable source. Pronunciation of city names can be a problem. A while back there was a fight over the pronunciation of Miami - not the pronunciation, but rather how many different pronunciations should be included in the article. There is no "correct" pronunciation of a city name, there is only the question of what pronunciation(s) can be supported from reliable sources. Given all that, you can add a pronunciation to the article, and if no one challenges it the statement may sit there for years without a citation. -- Donald Albury 10:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: I am surprised at the drinking statistics, but can't really argue. But shouldn't the stat be in the metro area article? Here it seems to single out Melbourne, when the area includes Palm Bay, Cocoa, etc. Student7 (talk) 02:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is not the "metro" area, I guess we are stuck with it here. I hope we stumble across liquor tax receipts that support these figures. I am surprised. I visit other areas, and Melbourne is one of the better behaved ones IMO. I can't dispute it, but I'm hoping to! Student7 (talk) 02:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - for the city/metro area with the second highest # of heavy drinkers, Melbourne certainly doesn't have enough crime stats to back itself up... Palm Bay though... I don't know about that one.  I'll see if I can get a clarification on which metro area "system" they used for the stats because Wiki uses MSAs, which since Titusville apparently isn't included, I'm a bit cautious on whether to place it in the Melbourne/Palm Bay/Titusville MSA article.  Also, if we keep this article, we seriously should consider a "Lifestyles" section because this statistic does seem very out of place.  - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ guestbook ♦ contribs 02:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked into this and found several problems. First, this information is not from a poll by Caron Treatment Centers. If you read the article the poll is about holiday drinking. The heavy drinking metro areas info is from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (data here). Second, these numbers are for the Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area, which covers all of Brevard (see drinking data here), so if anywhere it should be on the Brevard County page. Third, the article lists Melbourne-Palm Bay as the #2 Metro area, which is correct. But they define Metro Area as having over 10,000 population, which is what a Micropolitan Statistical Area is. This is important because they removed the µSAs from the list. With them included, Brevard is tied for 4th. So, I'm going to correct the Caron Treatment Centers mention, link to the CDF page not the USN article (which is obviously confusing) and add this info to the Brevard County page's health section. Then I'll remove it from here. If there's any disagreement we can put it back in, but I'd agree that it should be in a lifestyle-type section, not demographics. Culicidae (talk) 17:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I've moved it. See the addition here: Brevard_County,_Florida#Health Culicidae (talk) 18:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Drinking

message: The motto of Melbourne is "Creating New Horizons".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.162.94.141 (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto 

message: Melbourne Square needs an article. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Shopping Centers for general guidelines if you are interested. Or a mall of your choice for an example. Would be referenced under "economy - retail" in this article. Student7 (talk) 02:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Melbourne Square

message: If companies are important enough to be in the article, they should be important enough to be in history when they come and go. So far, we have almost nothing since 1952, which is the period of greatest growth in the area. Student7 (talk) 19:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: The street number and name needs to be deleted. We are not a travel site nor an almanac. Okay to list general sections of town: "Old downtown Melbourne" or "Old downtown Eau Gallie" or some general area. But we aren't supposed to be helping people get there. Just a general statement of what the city is or has been. Student7 (talk) 19:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Streets

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message: List of mayors of Melbourne, Florida which is linked from Melbourne, Florida#Government has been deleted per an AfD.  What should be done about the link then?
I have copied the deleted list to my local machine prior to the deletion in case it is needed. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 16:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of mayors of Melbourne, Florida