Talk:Hay fever in Japan

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The result of the move request was: page moved. – GorillaWarfare talk • contribs 03:16, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
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===Discussion===
With due appreciation to Dave (DAFJ) for his copy edit applying accepted English terms, I wanted to raise a question regarding the naming of the two endemic tree species in the article (Sugi/Cryptomeria Japonica and Hinoki/Japanese Cypress). As the trees are endemic (native) to Japan, it may not be surprising that their Japanese species names are accepted and used in English as well. Because of this, I would suggest for this article to use the terms Sugi and Hinoki, for the following reasons:
1. As mentioned, both terms are used for these trees in English, probably as result of being native Japanese trees.
2. Cryptomeria, while accepted also in English, is actually a Latin term. Furthermore it refers to a genus (monotypic, but still), not a species. This makes it less accurate than sugi. Unless we call it Cryptomeria Japonica or Japanese Cryptomeria, but neither of these are accepted English descriptions.
3. The only commonly used native English to describe sugi is "Japanese cedar" but the tree is not a cedar so this label is best avoided.
4. In case of Hinoki, accepted names in English are Japanese Cypress, Hinoki Cypress, and Hinoki. In the context of this article, the latter would seem sufficient and the most efficient (single word).
5. Sugi is actually also a cypress from Japan, although only Hinoki would normally be referred to as Japanese cypress...
6. English speaking hay fever sufferers in Japan would find more use/informational value in familiarity with terms that are accepted in English as well as synonymous in Japanese. Particularly if they have an allergic response to only one of the two tree species.
In all, to me these tree names fall in line with Gingko Tree and Shinkansen. We can call them Maidenhair tree and Bullet train but usually we don't. In this article I propose to do the same with sugi and hinoki (although we can hopefully rename the article itself "hay fever in Japan"). Any other thoughts?.Nonoisense (talk) 17:55, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Fair enough. I'm not a tree expert, but I think your arguments make sense. --DAJF (talk) 02:09, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: With due appreciation to Dave (DAFJ) for his copy edit applying accepted English terms, I wanted to raise a question regarding the naming of the two endemic tree species in the article (Sugi/Cryptomeria Japonica and Hinoki/Japanese Cypress). As the trees are endemic (native) to Japan, it may not be surprising that their Japanese species names are accepted and used in English as well. Because of this, I would suggest for this article to use the terms Sugi and Hinoki, for the following reasons:
1. As mentioned, both terms are used for these trees in English, probably as result of being native Japanese trees.
2. Cryptomeria, while accepted also in English, is actually a Latin term. Furthermore it refers to a genus (monotypic, but still), not a species. This makes it less accurate than sugi. Unless we call it Cryptomeria Japonica or Japanese Cryptomeria, but neither of these are accepted English descriptions.
3. The only commonly used native English to describe sugi is "Japanese cedar" but the tree is not a cedar so this label is best avoided.
4. In case of Hinoki, accepted names in English are Japanese Cypress, Hinoki Cypress, and Hinoki. In the context of this article, the latter would seem sufficient and the most efficient (single word).
5. Sugi is actually also a cypress from Japan, although only Hinoki would normally be referred to as Japanese cypress...
6. English speaking hay fever sufferers in Japan would find more use/informational value in familiarity with terms that are accepted in English as well as synonymous in Japanese. Particularly if they have an allergic response to only one of the two tree species.
In all, to me these tree names fall in line with Gingko Tree and Shinkansen. We can call them Maidenhair tree and Bullet train but usually we don't. In this article I propose to do the same with sugi and hinoki (although we can hopefully rename the article itself "hay fever in Japan"). Any other thoughts?.Nonoisense (talk) 17:55, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I'm not a tree expert, but I think your arguments make sense. --DAJF (talk) 02:09, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
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