Talk:Butch Cassidy

message: I reverted the edit stating that Butch was born in England, as he most certainly was not. His parents arrived (separately) in the US in the 1850s, when they were still children. You can find them listed among the handcart pioneer companies of the 1850s, and in the 1860 Utah census. They married in 1865 in Utah. I don't have time to fill in all the details at the moment, but have linked to several of the many, many historical websites that state these basic facts. 11 Arlington (talk) 05:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Genealogical info

message: who are u Who did the studies?-FZ 23:11, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Can someone do a piece on the Outlaw Trail? That would be interesting. I tried to put up a request but couldn't navigate my way to the proper category. Sorry, I'm new here. --YellowLeftHand 09:23, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outlaw Trail Request 

message: Is there any evidence supporting the claim that Butch Cassidy was really born William Butch Wagner?  If nothing can be provided, the recent changes should be reverted.
Justin
I work at a museum in Telluride, Colorado and a colleage of mine found a government document linking William Wagner and William Phillips working as teamsters when they were young from Kentucky to Oregon Territory. So if you have an ancestry.com account I can give you the link to it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.1.65 (talk) 00:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Butch Wagner? 

message: If you closley at the two pictures of the real Butch Cassidy, and of Robert Parker their faces don't match, even when you put a moustache over Robert Parker mug shot the faces still don't match.
Removed panel from the main article - it needs supporting references to be more than original research.
That's interesting because both of those photographs are known to be photographs of Robert Leroy Parker AKA Butch Cassidy. The one on the left is his mug shot taked at the Wyoming territorial prison in Rawlins, Wyoming and the second one is cropped from the famous portrait of the Wild Bunch taken in Fort Worth, Texas. They sure look like the same person to me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Senor Cuete (talk • contribs) 04:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone Notice 

message: I believe there is a mechanism for freezing the content of an article, accessible to Wikipedia Administrators, I suppose.  Any thoughts about getting this article frozen, to shut down the repeated anonymous deletion?  Bertport 03:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what happens first is someone needs to warn the user on their user page (the one who is blanking). And if they don't stop then their account will be blocked. I think that's the procedure. I don't have time to do it right now...could someone else?--70.41.230.6 01:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, then the next step is I posted a "last warning" on the user 204.9.11.123 page. If they vandalize again we can list the account on this page for an admin to block that account. --cda 11:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Hey, why do you assume it's a guy, that's sexist ; ) I reported this to admins. --cda 19:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obstinate blanking 

message: I believe there is some evidence that William T Phillips was Butch Cassidy ( for example).  There are even several books on the subject.  I'm not sure that the evidence is conclusive, but I wonder if it isn't disingenuous to say that "no evidence supports the claims".  Perhaps we should change it to "some nonconclusive evidence supports the claims" (with a reference or external link to more info) or perhaps expand the discussion of the controversy? Adagio 22:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mysteries at the Museum, Season 2, Episode 3, "Prison Experiment and Butch Cassidy Manuscript"—Discusses William T. Phillips' mss. in Laramie, Wyoming, and raises the question of whether Phillips was Butch Cassidy. PlaysInPeoria (talk) 16:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: William T Phillips

message: The name Robert LeRoy Parker needs to be reomoved from the article because on a DVD of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid it states that Butch Cassidy's real name is unknown. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gwag (talk • contribs) 01:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Name is Unconfirmed 

message: The paragraph commencing "Butch Cassidy was known to hide out..." has been deleted due to a literary standard inappropriate to the standards of Wikipedia. The paragraph contained subordinate clauses without a main clause and the subject's name was not Butch Cassidy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.184.25 (talk) 16:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprofessional Writing Standards 

message: I'm not not sure what it means to say that Parker/Cassidy's big heist in South America would be worth $100,000 today, as that would mean that he stole only a few thousand (at most) in then contemporary dollar terms.  Surely his heists in the States, which translate variously to anywhere from a few hundred thousand dollars to over a million dollars, are bigger heists?  Has a zero or two been left off the total for his SA heist or did the poster not understand that the figures for the robberies in the States weren't adjusted for inflation?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.243.245 (talk) 09:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Amount of Money Stolen in His "Big Heist" Needs to Be Clarified 

message: Butch Cassidy's gang wasn't the Hole in the Wall gang, that was in the movie. His real gang was called the Wild Bunch.  
The caption on the photo at the top of the article even says the Wild Bunch.
I think they changed the name of the gang for the movie because there was another movie called The Wild Bunch that was out around the same time.
AnitaFritz (talk) 09:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hole in the Wall vs Wild Bunch 

message: Butch Cassidy's gang wasn't the Hole in the Wall gang, that was in the movie. His real gang was called the Wild Bunch.  
The caption on the photo at the top of the article even says the Wild Bunch.
I think they changed the name of the gang for the movie because there was another movie called The Wild Bunch that was out around the same time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnitaFritz (talk • contribs) 09:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hole in the Wall vs Wild Bunch 

message: After the lede, the next paragraph begins "The same trio..." but no trio has been named.  Can someone fix this? Rick Norwood (talk) 12:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The same trio, together  

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch_Cassidy%27s_Wild_Bunch
--85.64.157.213 (talk) 18:07, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butch Cassidy  wiled Butch  

message: I'm not familier with wiki syntax, so I will let someone else do it. "Early life" has a sources thing that needs to be fixed up. This: {Sources - US Federal census, 1920, shows Maximilian Parker's family arrived in the USA in 1856; US census for 1860 shows the Parker family already in Beaver, Utah}24.20.13.202 (talk) 21:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syntax fix. 

message: Because the name of Butch Cassidy is far better known than whatever his birth name happens to be, Robert Leroy Parker or something else, I think we should remove the use of the Parker name throughout the narrative except in the beginning where reference is made to his birth name.  There are many biographies and histories about Cassidy and his Wild Bunch which uses his alias as the name to be referred to throughout their books.  There are other Wikipedia entries which used the alias rather than the birth name.  One example would be Lucky Luciano who's birth name was Salvatore Lucania.  Why shouldn't this wikipedia entry use the name of Butch Cassidy more prominently throughout the narrative?  What do others think of this notion?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.195.242 (talk) 13:38, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name to be used should probably be changed

message: "Maximillian Parker and Ann Campbell Gillies, English immigrants" with a name like that she would have been of Scottish descent and her Tyneside birthplace is a bit of a giveaway.Optymystic (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The episode of Whicker's World featuring the interview with Cassidy's sister, on YouTube here:   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.147.13 (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: There is no text in that article that by the time he started going by something other than Robert Leroy Parker, that he in any way self-identified as Mormon, or held membership in the church. Is there any reliable sources to indicate that he at any point self-identified as Mormon, was ever baptized into the church &/or was ever excommunicated from it? Simply having Mormon parents is not enough evidence to claim that he was Mormon. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 20:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some quick searching.  LDS Living and Famous Mormons both suggest he was probably baptized at 8 years old (sounds circumstantial, though).  Van Wagnoner and Walker (1982) state it factually.  I see no mention of excommunication.  I agree that one is not a Mormon simply because their parents were.  And if a child is baptized but leaves the church before adulthood, I'm not sure that automatically makes them Mormon either.  Shouldn't this be about self-identification?  The baptism might have just been the decision of parents or family.  Unless they self-identify as "former Mormons", then I can't draw conclusions.  I've tried to discuss this over at Talk:List of former Latter Day Saints#Children and teenagers.  I don't know if there are any sources about how Butch Cassidy self-identified.  Did he think of himself as "formerly Mormon" or did he think he was ever a Mormon at all?  ——Rich jj (talk) 17:32, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mormon? 

message: Another Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluride,_Colorado) reads:
In June 1889, Butch Cassidy, before becoming associated with his gang, "the wild bunch", robbed the San Miguel Valley Bank in Telluride. This was his first major recorded crime. He exited the bank with $24,580, and later became famous as a bank robber.[9]
So is it $21,000 or $24,580?
Thanks,
71.139.163.243 (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Approx. $21,000? 

message: Some well-meaning soul altered the date from 1901 to 1902 because he or she mistakenly thought that the section about other partners of Cassidy in late 1901 referred to Cassidy himself.  This is where it would have been helpful if sources had been cited in the first place.  There are four citations now, which is four more than the February 20, 1901 date was ever given.  Citing to reliable and verifiable sources-- it ain't that difficult, folks. Mandsford 02:17, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of their departure has been wrong for the last ten months

message: https://www.amazon.com/Butch-Cassidy-Photographic-Finds-Century/dp/1475071396
Middle More Rider (talk) 11:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about this newly discovered "Butch" photo, any thoughts on it? 

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message: This is not documented in Wiki on  movie "The Wild Bunch". This movie is not in any way shape or form  or by  any intention any resemblance to the  Butch Cassidy's Hole in the Wall Gang, as they called themselves. Nor was the character  PIke intended to resemble  Butch Cassidy (Robert Leroy Parker.) It was about  another bunch of anachronistic outlaws by Sam Peckinpah, similar to "Cable Hogue" with Jason Robards,  and "Ride the High Country" with Randolph Scott.65.129.188.112 (talk) 04:57, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed William Holden as: "Butch Cassidy". 

message: Parker's death needs be a question mark. There is much evidence, by his own  family, that  he wrote home faithfully every week until 1930. Also, that Longabaugh (Sundance) and Etta Place returned to the U.S. at least twice after running to South America.
To guess at: "1908" is to simply  agree with the 1969 movie and is  not referenced.  So, make up  that year simply because  the Bolivian Army , in the movie, used a  model '08 Maxim gun? That makes no sense. 65.129.188.112 (talk) 05:12, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death? 

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message: is engaging in a revert war concerning, of all things, the correct use of emigrate and immigrate. Here is the sentence: Ann Gillies was born and lived in Tyneside in northeast England before X-migrating to America. The correct word here is emigrate, because the family were moving out of England: e-, "out of." Here is another way to demonstrate: The family immigrated to the United States. They immigrated to America because they were moving into: im-, "in". This is not a style guide issue; this is a basic vocabulary problem.  —Dilidor (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editor conducting revert war 

message: I saw on my paper "West cyclopedia" that Butch Cassidy real name was George LeRoy Parker.
On this page is written as Robert LeRoy Parker.
The source on this page was deleted, but it is archived in:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161231100446/https://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/res/Education_in_BLM/Learning_Landscapes/For_Kids/History_Mystery/hm1/alias.html
I found various pages referencing George LeRoy Parker as the real name:
https://tomrizzo.com/tag/george-leroy-parker/ (ExLibris Tom Rizzo "Last Stand at Bitter Creek")
http://www.annalsofcrime.com/03-01.htm (from an article of Jay Robert Nash)
https://www.pbs.org/weekendexplorer/utah/elkmeadows/elk_cassidy.htm (PBS)
http://www.applegate-project.org/tng/getperson.php?personID=I25400&tree=Main (a project to map ancestors)
https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=430669 (University in Utah)
Other opting for Robert LeRoy Parker:
https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/butch-cassidy (Biography site)
http://webiographies.org/auc0000012/index.html (Biography site)
Finally only one source says it was born as Robert LeRoy Parker and changed is name to George Cassidy. o_O
https://time.com/5682980/butch-cassidy-sundance-kid-history/ (TIME writing about the movie "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid")
It looks to me that the older and "written on paper" references point to "George LeRoy Parker", while the newer to "Robert LeRoy Parker".
Anyone with a "solid" source?
Should we (Wikipedia) at least mention both?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.34.83.57 (talk) 22:38, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert or George 

message: There are many books about Butch Cassidy. Wouldn't it improve the article to include a bibliography?
Anne N. Cephaly  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne N. Cephaly (talk • contribs) 16:31, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

message: So I was looking up in to internet and searched "Butch Cassidy". And I found two results of his time of death. One was 1908, Bolivia and One another was 1930's, ???.
So what actually happened? ChangeMyNamePlease (talk) 01:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time of death for Butch Cassidy