Talk:Agnes of Rome

message: This page should be split up into 3 pages:
* one about the saint
* one about the church of S. Agnese fuori le mura
* one about the church about S. Agnese in Agone
::Ehm... Who wrote it? But i think, it is a good idea - it will be possible to set the InterWikis. I wrote the article :de:Sant'Agnese in Agone a few minutes ago but the InterWikis between articles and the sections of the articles have no sense! AN 05:12, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections / Pages 

message: Why do people make a big deal out of Saint Agnes? She is not that important so why all the rituals and mass about her? The 13 year old girl died because she is a christian and she was excuted for refusing to marry, not mean to be senseless but why waste time on that? It's sad she died an worngful death, her dicision should been repected but it's better to talk about two churchs bearing her name plus this artical should be short not long.
I for one, have always LOVED St. Agnes, & am glad there is a Wikipedia page for her(& for a great many other Saints for that matter). St. Agnes showed a tremendous amount of courage for a child her age, & am pleased that she is venerated by the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican(Episcopalian), & Lutheran Churches right down to this very day(such a shame that most Protestant churches no longer venerate the Saints). She may not be all that important to you, but, she certainly is for me.--Splashen (talk) 01:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure if I really wanted to respond, but I feel I have to.  I know it seems silly to commemorate saints, but if you are part of the Orthodox or Roman Catholic faith, it is a major part of your daily devotions and prayers.  You remember people who have died for the Christian faith - especially those who were severely persecuted in the early years of Christianity. For me, it makes me realize how insignificant MY problems in life are and why it's important to mantain my faith.  To each his/her own, but it's not a senseless waste of time IMHO. CWood 00:12, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: It isn't really about her or any of the other saints, they are basically proxies for worship, in a way a polytheistic approach to Christianity, where different parts of God's essence is represented in multiple avatars, rather than the single avatar Jesus. So the importance of Saint Agnes has little to do with the actual girl, far more to do with Christians who identify with the part of God she is meant to represent. If you are asking whether it is encyclopedic - yes, simply because of the meaning it has to others. Sad mouse 00:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  She never existed, and there is no way a girl of the Roman nobility, whatever her faith, would have been treated this way.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.131.199.10 (talk) 13:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes she did in fact exist. Her death was recorded at the time, & Christians were persecuted regardless of class, in the Roman Empire.--Splashen (talk) 03:58, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

text: You have given the reasons why she is important in your question.  If it doesn't convince you -- well, that it has convinced other people makes her important. Goldfritha 02:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The anonymous user who started this section just gave a perfect summary of everything wrong with wikipedia in 2009: someone obviously not fluent in English comes storming into English wikipedia and proclaims that, because the article is about something they don't consider important, it should be DELIBERATELY shortened as a matter of principle. This despite the fact that other users are obviously willing and able to contribute well-written, thoroughly cited content to it.  For this, anon, I salute you; Godspeed.  Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 03:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is this a big deal?

message: I am reverting the recent movement of this article from Saint Agnes to Saint Agnes of Rome for two reasons: (1) No explanation of the move was given in the discussion page as per Wikipedia article movement policy, (2) the move was not opened up for voting by Wikipedia editors and (3) Saint Agnes is known more by the title Saint Agnes not Saint Agnes of Rome (also this is the only major Saint Agnes in existence).  --Gerald Farinas 22:24, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article movement

message: Does honor mean hymen? Actually saying hymen would be much more NPOV. Dave 02:29, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honor 

message: * http://www.haverford.edu/engl/engl301/agnes/agnes.htm St. Agnes, virgin martyr
This link seems to be dead. I've put it here in case it's not. Skittle 12:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead link

message: caption underneath the image says its a statue? surely not - looks more like a painting to me.  Tyhopho 13:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture - statue? 

message: The article says that St. Agnes was canonized in 1950.  I don't see how this could possibly be correct, as she's been venerated for many, many centuries.  Maybe someone's confused?  1950 was the year Maria Goretti was canonized.  BLHersey (talk) 01:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh?! 

message: Is there any independent evidence regarding the existence of Agnes or, more plausibly, the prefect Sempronius? I'd imagine someone must have looked for it at some point.JQ (talk) 00:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ambrose, in the sermon linked, says quite frankly, "she seems to me to have borne not so much a human name, as a token of martyrdom, whereby she showed what she was to be." Compare the martyr Saint Stephen, whose name simply betokens his martyr's crown or garland, .--Wetman (talk) 06:38, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand she clearly had a major cult in Rome by the time when the funeral hall over her supposed grave was begun (now Santa Costanza etc), when if not martyred she would have been in her early forties according to her dates here.  I have seen dates putting her a century or so before though. Johnbod (talk) 00:40, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independent historical evidence? 

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message: Agnes being the patroness of gardeners and rape victims (etc.) isn't based on any identifiable source.
On google books, the oldest "reference" to this effect is this, a random 2008 publication on Bella Italia.
List of saints' patronages tend to attract pileups of random unreferenced listcruft. 
We should require any entry in such list to be based on at least half decent hagiographical literature. 
--dab (𒁳) 12:58, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Patronages

message: "A beautiful young girl from a wealthy family"
Hardly encyclopedic is it?  In fact, looking at kids like that is what I would expect from Ali Snackbar and friends, whether they live in Essex, the Middle East of wherever it is that you live and practice your religion - a religion which,  following the lead of good old Mo' thinks it acceptable to abuse young women. 84.60.23.33 (talk) 23:00, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beauty