Talk:List of lists of buildings and structures in Puerto Rico

message: To take care of Escuela Industrial para Mujeres Vega Alta, an individual item in this list, could/should a List of prisons in Puerto Rico be created?  See :Category:Lists of United States state prisons: there are lists for most or all U.S. states.  Or could it be a section in a world-wide list of prisons.
If such a list (or a redirect to a section) is created, is it to be considered in the U.S. or not.  I don't care so much.  Note the Escuela is categorized in Women's prisons in the United States.  There are 5 members of :Category:Prisons in Puerto Rico which is included in :Category:Prisons by dependent territory but not in :Category:Prisons in the United States (which does include :Category:Prisons in Washington, D.C., although Washington DC is not a U.S. state). 
Hmm, there is article Puerto Rico Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation which contains a list of current and former prisons and mentions the Escuela.  Okay, I am setting List of prisons in Puerto Rico as a redirect to that section, and putting the redirect into :Category:Lists of United States state prisons.  It can be discussed whether that categorization is right or not. --Doncram (talk) 19:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks . I just saw Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings and the last scene with the two dragons fighting, flying through the air, screeching, swirling, writhing, gritting and gnashing their teeth, screaming, flying fast, splashing like USOs ... is how current categorization of things in Puerto Rico seems to me, at times. So I don't know but what you said here that "There are 5 members of :Category:Prisons in Puerto Rico which is included in :Category:Prisons by dependent territory but not in :Category:Prisons in the United States (which does include :Category:Prisons in Washington, D.C., although Washington DC is not a U.S. state)" seems like the correct handling of it because although Washington, D.C. is not a state, it is part of the U.S. per some definitions I've read of what constitutes the U.S. I don't think it's about being "agnostic" or a "believer". See WP:PRUS It's pretty clear the US territories are not in the US. Thanks.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 19:29, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Thanks for fixing this list Doncram.  Some of the navigation templates have PR and the other territories as Insular Areas and that is correct. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there's merit in my/our identifying pre-existing lists of buildings and structures in Puerto Rico, either standalone ones or sections in bigger list-articles, and linking to them from this List of lists article.  It is a perhaps bigger and definitely different project to take on the varying treatment of Puerto Rico in world-wide lists and in categorization schemes.  For example, the List of Masonic buildings in Puerto Rico points to a section in List of Masonic buildings in the United States which I am not about to move.  And the corresponding category probably is within the U.S. category.  You may educate me that I should not have created that section a long time ago (which I probably did), but I did so in kind of promoting Puerto Rico, saying "Puerto Rico exists" which lots of U.S. mainlanders do not know.  I kinda think it is better, politically somehow, for Puerto Rico to be mentioned in lists of United States things.  And kinda think it is being too strict to remove the PR sections from them all, or to fight to change the names of all of the lists of U.S. things to more cumbersome titles like "in the U.S. and insular areas" or whatever might technically be correct.  That would make the list titles inconsistent, having to change when a PR or US Virgin Islands item or Guam item gets added or subtracted.  Anyhow, taking on some campaign that way is a different deal, should be centered somewhere else, than this effort here, IMHO. --Doncram (talk) 23:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

text: For another example, see List of hospitals in the United States, where I happen to think the title is good, which includes a section for U.S. states, a section for insular areas, etc.  The title is still good though it is inexact.  Lots of list-articles and other articles have titles that are inexact, that do not precisely define in the title itself everything about what will be included vs. excluded.  The lede of an article can do that.  It is too much to ask, that every article have a title as long as the article itself.  So I am not on board really on a campaign to change list-article titles or to move PR sections;  actually I think it is broadly better to include a section about PR in any list-article about the U.S., and any campaign to change that should be discussed centrally somewhere rather than embarked upon lightly. --Doncram (talk) 23:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  create a List of prisons in Puerto Rico? and can Puerto Rico be presented in U.S. lists or not

message: There is now List of Catholic churches in Puerto Rico, which is included in this list of lists.  But what about other churches?
For example the :Category:Episcopal churches in Puerto Rico includes:
*Episcopal Cathedral of St. John the Baptist (San Juan, Puerto Rico) and
*Iglesia de la Santísima Trinidad
For those I just created List of Anglo-Catholic churches in Puerto Rico as a redirect to a new section in List of Anglo-Catholic churches. --Doncram (talk) 07:53, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: churches

message: Bank buildings are significant things, and it is time for there to be List of bank buildings (currently a redlink), with a section on Puerto Rican ones. Could someone do me the favor of moving Draft:List of bank buildings to mainspace (and remove Articles-For-Creation tags, so that I could continue to develop it there, without bother of dealing with editors uninformed about Wikipedia notability, e.g. some AFC editors?  I am currently restricted to using AFC process or help of others for new articles. --Doncram (talk) 00:45, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bank buildings 

message: It's like a tail wagging a dog, to be creating world-wide lists so that there can be Puerto Rico sections of them.  But User:The Eloquent Peasant's prompting (adding cane sugar mill Central Coloso to this list) has caused me to get around to creating a world-wide List of sugar refineries (currently a redlink) with a Puerto Rico section including that one and four others, to which List of sugar refineries in Puerto Rico (currently a redlink) can redirect.  Eloquent Peasant, could you please do the favor of moving Draft:List of sugar refineries to mainspace?  I believe it is fine as a wikipedia list-article and will survive any AFD attempts to delete it, but I myself am under an editing restriction by which I should not move it myself.  On a similar list, List of bank buildings, I made a mistake I guess in submitting my draft list (Draft:List of bank buildings) to Articles For Creation where it has encountered opposition, uninformed-in-my-view.  I'd rather avoid that here, so please help? --Doncram (talk) 22:20, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course Doncram. Sorry to hear about the restriction.I have a dumb question. It's just I haven't ever moved to "mainspace" from "draft".  So I select Move, then from the drop down options I select the first one that says "(article)" and leave the name as is (of course). It's that simple? I just don't want to make a mistake. (BTW, I added a bunch of sources 'cause I hate when they slap a "needs sources" tag... --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 01:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, User:The Eloquent Peasant, you did it right, and I appreciate getting around the inconvenience about lists at AFC. --Doncram (talk) 02:17, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Your very welcome, . I'll try see how else I can help. :) --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:22, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  sugar mills list help 

message: Here, for continuing discussion, is the old list of individual places. --Doncram (talk) 23:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  old list 

message: There exists List of canneries in Wikipedia, but no mentions of Puerto Rico ones, while in fact the Commonwealth has (or had?) the largest cannnery in the world!  "Puerto Rico's Tuna Canning Industry Fights to Survive" in LATimes starts: "Nov 27, 1990 — Puerto Rico is left with just three plants--Star Kist Caribe, the largest cannery in the world, the Mitsubishi-owned Caribe Tuna and a scaled-"....
This article in Samoa News explains why canneries are economically more successful in Puerto Rico.
PUERTO RICO LURES ASIANS TO TUNA BUSINESS, by Larry Luxner, Apr 05, 1990 starts off: "When it comes to the tuna industry, this island's efforts to lure Far East businesses here have been a whale of a success. / Except for the Star Kist plant in Mayaguez - the world's largest tuna cannery, employing 4,300 workers - the local tuna industry is virtually controlled by Asians.The sprawling Bumble Bee Seafoods plant was recently acquired by Unicord Co. of Thailand, National Packing in Ponce is owned by Indonesians, and the island's other two tuna plants are owned by Japanese companies. / For all five, continuation of tax benefits under Section 936 of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code is crucial to their remaining in Puerto Rico.
It seems like Canneries in Puerto Rico is a legitimate Wikipedia topic.  Even an important one for Puerto Rico.  Or at least there should be a Puerto Rico section in the List of canneries to which List of canneries in Puerto Rico (currently a redlink) could redirect.  And can be added to this List of lists of buildings and structures in Puerto Rico. --Doncram (talk) 02:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Canneries in Puerto Rico needed