Talk:WHDT

message: From what I can determine, the reference I linked to is 100% correct. It's possible the translators are broadcasting WHDT, but the main "700kW" channel is off air and has been for some years. In addition to the reference, as a simple idiot check I have an antenna pointed in WHDT's general direction. I get strong WPEC, WPTV, and WPEC signals, but no WHDT signal at all, despite (according to Wikipedia) WHDT having a signal that's as strong as all three put together! 
And again, avoiding original research, the FCC's DTV transition page no longer lists it as an active station for anyone in the Palm Beach, Martin County, or Port St Lucie areas.
I'm not trying to promote an argument with the WHDT tech, but if the transmitter isn't active (all evidence points to no) then it shouldn't be described as an active station on this page. What is the rationale for saying otherwise? 66.149.58.8 (talk) 16:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Channel is off-air 

message: The problem clearly lies only with you and your inability to receive a local TV station. WHDT is readily available to anyone in the Stuart area with a digital TV set connected to an outside antenna. A viewer who experiences reception problems can call the station at (561) 983-6300 to obtain professional assistance. Most DTV problems can be easily solved, and every local TV station offers this free service. 
With respect to your comments about WHDT, you seem to be incapable of understanding what you read. It appears that you possess neither the technical nor legal qualifications to make a meaningful contribution to this topic. Here are some examples of this from your previous comments:
1. You do not have to live in West Palm Beach to be in the WPB DMA (Designated Market Area). Every city is the U.S. is assigned to a DMA. The Miami DMA extends from Key West to the Palm Beach County line. The West Palm Beach DMA extends from Boca Raton to Sebastian, Florida. The city of Stuart is part of the WPB DMA and all TV stations assigned to the WPB market area, including WHDT, are available to all cable and satellite providers (MSOs) who offer any television service in Stuart. This means that you need only look at the station lineup of Comcast, DIRECTV, AT&T, etc. (as well as in your local newspaper, TVGuide, etc.) for Stuart to see WHDT listed as a local broadcast station along with its hourly program schedule. The only MSO who is not carrying WHDT, despite being ordered to do so by the FCC, is DISH NETWORK (a/k/a EchoStar Communications). It is obvious that you are not familiar with the term "DMA"; did not know that Stuart is part of the WPB DMA; and did not bother to read all of the words in the sentence ("If you live in the WPB DMA . . .").
2.  At no time did WHDT make the statement or imply that DISH NETWORK was carrying WHDT. Your 17 December 2009 comment [2] above misquotes the carriage statement written by WHDT. WHDT clearly differentiated its carriage by DIRECTV and the lack of carriage by DISH NETWORK. It is only "your" misquote which states: " … in West Palm Beach by DIRECTV and DISH Network." The actual WHDT text reads: " … in West Palm Beach by DIRECTV. DISH NETWORK was ordered to carry WHDT in 2008." 
WHDT does not as you claim state that it is being carried by DISH NETWORK and WHDT lists no satellite channel number for DISH. In the current revision I added a comment which cites the relevant FCC Order against DISH, for anyone who is interested:
"In its Second Report and Order, Memorandum Opinion and Order and Second Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, released March 27, 2008, DISH Network was ordered to carry WHDT by the Federal Communications Commission. To date, DISH Network has failed to comply with the Order and WHDT is not available to DISH Network subscribers."
The Wikipedia description of WHDT is not about DISH NETWORK. At most, only a simple citation is warranted here.
3. You again proclaim utter nonsense about the broadcast operations of WHDT, supported by none other than yourself. Thousands of viewers throughout the Stuart-Palm City area can enjoy WHDT 24/7. It is irrelevant if you do not know any of them. The FCC website which you like to cite is woefully incomplete and is not maintained by the Commission for any legal purpose. Furthermore, it does not list TV stations which are not yet broadcasting on their final allocation channels (hence "signal unavailable"); it does not list STA (Special Temporary Authority) operations; it does not list channel modifications in progress; it does not list pending changes to licensed facilities; etc., etc. The site is intended only for general reference by the public and has no legal or other standing. 
At the end of 2010, the FCC will publish a TV station listing which will be more complete, but it will still not list any of the hundreds of M/H (Mobile DTV) broadcast facilities. The NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) is working to assemble a more complete listing of digital TV stations which it will make available to the public in January 2010. Because of the hundreds of still-pending unresolved requests by VHF broadcasters to return to a UHF channel, even the NAB's list will remain incomplete.
The bottom line is that WHDT's OTA (over-the-air) broadcast signal is readily available in Stuart. It is irrelevant that WHDT does not broadcast on its "allocation" channel. Viewers do not tune their TV sets to "allocation" channels (i.e. a station's RF or "physical" channel). Viewers tune their TV sets to a DTV station's "virtual" channel. 
4. It would appear that it is you who have the serious technical problem. I live in the Stuart area and I have no difficulty receiving WHDT. Unless you live underground, or suffer from some peculiar multipath interference issue, there is no reason that you cannot receive WHDT via antenna.
5.  And maybe the earth is flat.
6. Again, you manufacture the statements and then you attribute them to WHDT. There is no Wikipedia listing which claims that WHDT's authorized power is 3x or Nx that of any other TV station. You looked up a number of TV station descriptions of your choosing, make some strange computation which suits your claim (not WHDT's), and then assert some technically meaningless jibberish about matters that you do not understand.
 
There is nothing in the WHDT descriptive text which is inaccurate. If you had even the most basic understanding of television engineering then you would not compare the effective radiated power (ERP) of VHF stations with UHF stations. The FCC establishes the maximum authorized power for TV stations based upon the wavelength of their allocation (radio frequency) channel. There is no meaning to a relative power comparison between TV stations operating in different parts of the TV spectrum. Local VHF stations, such as WPEC and WPTV, employ lower frequencies and much lower ERPs for their broadcast operations than local UHF stations such as WPBF, WFLX, WXEL and WHDT. UHF stations employ higher ERP to offset the higher propagation losses associated with higher frequencies and their shorter wavelengths. The large difference in ERP between VHF and UHF stations does not have any material effect on these station's respective market coverage. 
WHDT's authorized power on its first allocation channel (CH 59) was 1 million watts, which is the statutory limit for any TV operation in the U.S. WHDT was the 1st station to be authorized for 1 MW digital TV service. After channels 52 through 69 were reassigned by the FCC for non-TV use, WHDT's allocation channel was changed to channel 44 and later to channel 42. The corresponding ERP limit for channel 42 is 0.7 MW (700 kW). When WHDT commences operation on channel 42 in mid-February 2010, it will broadcast at 0.7 MW. The Wikipedia description of WHDT's technical operation explicitly states that the station is currently broadcasting at reduced power until then. This is as clear a statement as it is possible to make.
7. No, worthless references like yours.
Your inability to comprehend technical matters is aptly demonstrated by your inept final remark above: " … but not a 700kW signal from less than five miles away, … " 
This shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. The station is neither broadcasting at 700 kW nor is it broadcasting at 700 kW five miles away [from you]. The WHDT technical discussion clearly states that 700 kW is the power authorized for the station at its CP (construction permit) site in Wellington, Florida, a location which is 40 miles south of Stuart.
I advise you to leave the editing of Wikipedia's television station descriptions to technically competent editors. You can better spend your time reading up on Business Disparagement:
"The tort of injurious falsehood, or disparagement, is concerned with the publication of derogatory information about a person's title to his or her property, to his or her business in general, or anything else made for the purpose of discouraging people from dealing with the individual. Generally, if the aspersions are cast upon the quality of what the person has to sell, or the person's business itself."
If you are so damn sure of yourself and wish to continue your false claim that WHDT is "inactive", I challenge you to call the station and request that a technician visit your area and assist you with solving your reception problem. Otherwise you can continue to hide behind your "references" - but keep your BS to yourself.
21 December 2009    v. Günter Marksteiner  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marksteiner (talk • contribs) 06:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RESPONSE BY MARKSTEINER 

message: I haven't read the long rants above - WP:TLDR. I found this article which mentions the channel this year though so the idea that it has been off air since 2007 seems incorrect. Notice that the source previously referenced said that going off air was a temporary measure. Please remember that we have a policy against original research, saying that you cannot recieve it and that is therefore off air is an invalid argument to use. Likewise the current version of the article is not ideal as it likely contains information that isn't verifiable. I'm not really sure what the best action to take is. Smartse (talk) 12:36, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources suggesting it is online 

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