Talk:Lithuania proper

message: I've created this article as similar articles exist for other countries, too. (Finland proper,Sweden proper,China proper,) --Matthead 05:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

message: This part of an article is obviously biased - it does not cite sources, it claims that "Lithuanian state should be credated" although it has been created quite a long ago (Mindaugas anyone), and recreated  (please read some books, huh?)), it does state that Lithuania Minor should be re-lithuanised (sorry, how can you re-anything that has been plundered and colonised by force ?) Another one BiiiG mistake - Antanas Smetona in nowadys Lithuania is not perceived as a national hero - he's considered a looser following Soviet propaganda. Another section of an idea of Smetona's article "having influence on interwar period" is an utterly absurd - he did write  his article in USA, and it has been left unfinished. So my conclusion - read some books before you go onto territory you do not know. --Lokyz 18:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: N.b:This commnet refers to previous version of an article.--Lokyz 16:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lithuanian nationalistic view

message: this teritory was "deatched" not because of Lithuanian nationalism, but because of Antante's action to tame Imperialistic Germany. and it was claimed by different newly born (in some respect - re-born, like Lithuania) nations like Second Polish Republic, that didn't have even minority of population around there.--Lokyz 19:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Memeland

message: Please stop putting Yemalovich POV map - his theories are utterly denied(even by Belarus scholars, as a provided reference shows) and do not have anything to do with Lithuania proper, but rather with "national pride" class literature fantasies. These fantasies are not recognised internationally as valid. It does contradict to the whole text of the article, and is irrelevant.
Critics of factual errors of his writings are provided, they are indeed numerous. The same goes for "linguistical" toponyms localization, that does not have anything in common with historical tradition of place names (as article Name of Lithuania shows. It is no wonder, because, as much I know, Yermalovich was educated as literature teacher, not as historian or linguist. --Lokyz 19:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fantasy map

message: Just because  according to this site  2 ou  Adverb (a) place where; hence Russie Blanche ou LituaniQUE (note - not LituaniE) - is Whithe Ruthenia of Lithuania, or if you wish - Lithuanian (White) Ruthenia. 
Anyway if you insist on ou=or then it will be Ruthenia White or Lithuanian (Ruthenia being the name and Whitor or Lithuanian adjectives), but in no case or Lithuania (i.e. double name).--Lokyz (talk) 11:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't provide WP:OR, but give fact where is written in such context, please. 81.7.98.250 (talk) 09:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at the map provided as reference.--Lokyz (talk) 20:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maps could be interpreted variously. Give exact citation by professional historian. 81.7.98.250 (talk) 07:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of ''ou'' in given context 

message: "Scholars often use term Lithuania proper to refer to lands inhabited by ethnic Lithuanians" I see only one note by Antanas Venclova who is not a historian.
:Please be more carefull when you read - check the name of Venclova.--Lokyz (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Scholars is plural. I see only one argument, by non historian. And please don't delete arguments of other researchers. Why as Lithuania depicted territory of modern Belarus in 19th century, when Grand Duchy of Lithuania not existed anymore. 81.7.98.250 (talk) 09:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Please be more carefull when you read what is written - "under Soviet rule".--Lokyz (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "no Lithuanian schools at all" - this is real mistake, because Lithuanian scholls existed even under Soviet rule. Well, not many schools worked, but article says nothing at all.81.7.98.250 (talk) 09:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Please visit Eastern Vilnian region - It's now in Belarus - Lida, Smorhony and other cities established by Lithuanians. They told me it themselves. But well, i do see your knowledge of the topic at the fullest. Short hint - language does not make ethnicity.--Lokyz (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the meaning of the word "many"? I see no exact citation of provided source. Many towns were established by someone, but how this is related to claims "many people refer"? What do you mean, maybe so called "litvinists"? 81.7.98.250 (talk) 09:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Article not belongs to someone. 81.7.98.250 (talk) 09:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Please, give facts for such POV. 81.7.98.250 (talk) 09:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All references and facts are given - take a look at the maps provided as references, read the books provided as references. And please stop putting maps of 19th century, that do not have  anything in common with historical tradition of Grand Duchy of Lithuania and represents Russian Yekaterine's politics of "deleting name of Lithuania" form history and Russification. --Lokyz (talk) 16:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious statements

message: There are 2 contradictory statements in the lead of article:
"Lithuania proper ... Didžioji Lietuva, literally: 'Genuine Lithuania'..."	
"... sometimes is also called Lithuania Major (Lithuanian: Didžioji Lietuva)..."
Which translation is truthful? As far as I know, Lithuanian word didžioji means "great, big, major" (cf. Lietuvos Didžioji Kunigaikštystė) but I can be wrong, I'm not native speaker. But I'm sure this word cann't be translated in two ways; "genuine" and "major" are certainly two very different terms. Could be some Lithuanian editor so kind and repair it? --Iaroslavvs (talk) 18:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing contradictory in these statements. Propria (latin) Proper (English) - is Genuine. Only after the concept of Lithuania Minor - a region in Eastern Prussia inhabited by mostly Lithuanian language speakers emerged, Lithuania Major was used to distinguish those regions.--178.16.43.6 (talk) 10:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree that there appears to be a contradiction, but it is just due to the placement of the literal translation "genuine" in the text. It applies to Latin propria, not to Lithuanian didysis/didžioji.  I will fix it. --Theodore Kloba (talk) 20:35, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is truth? 

message: Maps and whole article with statements like "Thus Grand Duchy of Lithuania was divided into such historical regions: Samogitia, Lithuania Proper and White Ruthenia." is no less than chauvinistic propaganda. Everyone who has some brain knows that grand duchy exists when its formed of at least 2 duchies. And the full name of GDL was "Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Samogitians", later "Grand duchy of Lithuania, Samogitians and Ruthenians". It's even comfirmed by chronicles which were named the same: 1) The chronicles of Lithuania and Samogitians, 2) The chronicles of Lithuania, Samogitians and Ruthenians 3) The chronicles of Poland, Lithuania, Samogitia and whole Rusia [ATR] Velks (talk) 19:47, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:NPOV, and also WP:CIV--178.16.43.6 (talk) 10:17, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total propaganda 

message: The article even contradicts the maps it refers to. On the map from 1570 the word "Litvania" clearly reaches the regions of today`s Belarus to the south of the Prypiac` river where Pinsko = Pinsk (Brest-Litovsk anyone ?). There is also plenty of other maps where Lithuana fits today's Belarus. I recommend the author to read the Lithuanian Statut if he wants to know what "Lithuania" historically means. P.S.: Every belarusian is a lithuanian, because Belarus was part of Lithuania.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AA13:1101:7300:F8C7:C49C:D8DD:7511 (talk) 20:20, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clueless 

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replies: text: This map has no value - it is just hodgepodge of various places, tribes, names etc. Belarus never had a region named Lithuania (Litva). Lithuania is a state, not a region.  So it is clearly a FALSIFICATION. -- Ke an (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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