Talk:Tzu Chi

message: This article has a lot of advertising language. I am going to do some modifications to it.  Jh1234l (talk) 19:51, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertising Language

message: The use of the term cult seems excessive and perhaps unwarranted. 14:40, 30 June 2007 66.90.144.204
:A remark on this point (which seems to have been resolved earlier): Like many other organizations, a group may arise from the work of a charismatic leader. However, as discussed in organizational theory, many other groups seek to make the transition beyond the founding generation. In this respect, Tzu Chi has actually focused on institutionalization of its work, not personalization, so I agree with the assessment of the above. 128.12.217.243 (talk) 18:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description 

message: I included a segment on Tzu Chi Foundation's missions, briefly outlining their core focuses and areas of contributions. I also named the last paragraph, with a temporary title as "Public Opinion". I was unable to find an official english translation of some of the specific terms, however, so I translated them to the best of my knowledge.Gawdlike (talk) 19:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mission 

message: Saying that criticism ENDED after the 921 Earthquake is propaganda at best. There was still criticism after 921, and there still is, especially in wake of the recent economic situation where an increasing number of Taiwanese were upset that Tzu Chi still spends massive amounts in China when Taiwan is in financial turmoil. Anyone whom reads the Taiwanese papers knows that.--24.193.80.232 (talk) 18:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The word used in the public opinion section is "subsided", not "ENDED". If we can carry out a poll, I am sure you would see a clear shift of attitude [among the Taiwanese populace] towards the charity work carried out by Tzu Chi volunteers in China. Under the current political situation in Taiwan, it is not possible to accomplish anything without arousing skepticism or criticism. Even in Hualien, where the first Tzu Chi hospital is built, there are people thinking that Tzu Chi hospital should treat all patients free because the hospital was built with donated money from a lot of people. Obviously, the hospital would soon have to be closed if that's the case. The focus is helping needed people in addition to providing quality medical services in the remote eastern part of Taiwan. There will always be disagreements from people but it is very safe to say that most Taiwanese people appreciate the good deeds by Tzu Chi Foundation and its massive fleet of volunteers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.160.219.98 (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this sounds like an issue of word choice and "subsided" is now in the article.128.12.217.243 (talk) 18:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I went through the sourced article here and it says absolutely nothing about the public opinion of Tzu Chi. Whoever cited it was hoping no one would go through it but I did. I'm going to change it to citation needed until someone provides actual content that demonstrates attitudes towards Tzu Chi has changed. --114.25.10.148 (talk) 10:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public opinion 

message: Took out Wade–Giles "Tz'u Chi". icetea8 (talk) 23:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wade-Giles 

message: Should "Hall of Still Thoughts" be "Still Thoughts Hall"? icetea8 (talk) 00:06, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hall of Still Thoughts 

message: This needs more secondary sources. "a network of world-class medical facilities in Taiwan and a comprehensive education system" sounds a bit like advertising language to me. 50.98.201.158 (talk) 17:27, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly biased? 

message: Edited this section to better reflect the quoted sources, plus added some missing sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by T94jal (talk • contribs) 14:58, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies 

message: Who put the "article needs to be updated" tag? And what info are you referring too that needs updating? Wikiman5676 (talk) 23:23, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: since nobody has said anything i have removed the "needs to be updated" tag. I updated numerous points of information in my previous edits and since nobody can indicate what needs updating I have removed the tag.Wikiman5676 (talk) 03:10, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  article needs updating tag 

message: Do we really need the title of the org to be translated into that many languages? Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:28, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  name translation 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Having read the article, , I think it is almost at B. One thing that is noticeable—and you are not going to like it—is that there is no criticism mentioned in the article. Considering the large scope and impact of the organization, I find it unlikely that the organization has no critics. If you want to upgrade the article to GA or FA, you might also want to find information on how the organization responds to certain issues in national debate, and positions itself politically. Having seen a documentary about Tuzu Chi from a a Buddhist television station in Holland, I noticed the doctors working in their hospitals are very much aware of beliefs and practices among the Taiwanese, and oppose some of those. Apart from these issues, the article is well-organized and well-written, and with some adjustments for neutrality could make it to GA or FA.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 12:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: yes I do remember there being a section on criticism before. But it was removed by some random editor like a year ago. That section was certainly a violation of WP:UNDUE and WP:CRITICISM anyways however, as it took up close to half the article and just listed complaints. But yes you are right. Tzu Chi, like other major Buddhists orgs like Wat Phra Dhammakaya and Fo Guang Shan, is the source of significant criticism, especially in its home country of Taiwan. I will see if i can find that old section on criticism and incorporate some of the information in a way that fits with wikipedia policy. Wikiman5676 (talk) 18:47, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay so i found the old controversy section in an archived edit and put it in my sandbox. however many of the links are now dead making verification difficult. I will still try to mention some of the controversies this is going to take longer than i previously thought. Wikiman5676 (talk) 20:02, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  , having read your sandbox, I can understand what the problem is. Try integrating the criticism within the article, and preferably, using scholarly sources rather than only news sources. Unsourced and speculative information cannot be used, nor can blogs and forums. It is also important to try and get multiple opinions on every point of criticism. Try checking the Internet archive for dead links, or search on Google whether there is a cached version of the page from before it got deleted. I hope this helps. Never forget that adding criticism to a page should help improve understanding of the subject, rather than take more distance from the subject through vague generalizations or tabloid weasel. See also WP:WTW.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 10:31, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You know , i finally got to doing this. The amount of blantant media speculation and tabloid mania present in these sources is just ridiculous. And I thought Thailand had poor media quality. Even though Taiwan is a developed country its not much better. Anyways, ive started incorporating some of the critical stuff, using strictly the facts presented in the sources. Ill try to look for more, but i think the article needs some restructure to incorporate it all. Wikiman5676 (talk) 07:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good, . Sometimes English-language sources are of lower quality than the local-language sources. Don't forget to indicate how the temple responded to criticism, as people  sometimes express the best who they are once they are under attack.--Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 13:17, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

text:  Here's the Dutch documentary about the temple i mentioned before. For what it's worth. Most of the interviews are in English.--Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 13:33, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  General assessment 

message: It has come to my attention that there are conflicting dates for the organization's founding.  . Therefore I have changed the founding date to year only. Wikiman5676 (talk) 06:12, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding Dates