Talk:Football records and statistics in England

message: This may be biased since I am a United fan, but the you could argue all day between these two clubs and not get anywhere, but for me, Manchester United are the most consistent team, simply because Liverpool have never won the premier league, yet, United have always come in the top three since it started and have won 12 out of a possible 19! Now that has got to be something against the two extra champions league titles Liverpool have won. Just saying... 80.7.242.108 (talk) 13:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Relax it overall 19 > 18 titles. Since begining in 1888 of the league footaball. 157.157.39.241 (talk) 18:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liverpool or Manchester United? 

message: Hello, I've suggested splitting this article. I think this article should be retained for overall records ie all football since 1871. We're not Sky, so I don't see why we should be giving undue prominence to football since 1992. However, I think the Premier League statistics are important content - but they deserve their own article. Therefore, I suggest splitting the section Football records in England#FA Premier League – Since 1992–93 season into a new article titled Premier League statistics and records. I'd also suggest merging All-time FA Premier League table into that article, and making it a new parent article for all the articles on the 'statistics and records' section of the :Premier League template. Pretty Green (talk) 08:06, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: I may be missing/misunderstanding something, but aren't these 2 lines contradictory?
* Highest FA Cup attendance (of all time): 121,919 (Aston Villa v. Sunderland, Final at Crystal Palace, 19 April 1913)
* Highest attendance at Wembley: 126,047 (Bolton Wanderers v. West Ham United, Final, 28 April 1923)
If that Wembley figure is correct, surely that#s also the biggest of all time?109.145.250.164 (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA Cup records 

message: Should the "Most successful clubs overall" include the Fairs Cup? I see it here, the Italian page doesn't include it, and there is an edit war in the Spanish page including it and deleting it.--Coquidragon (talk) 21:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice that the Full members cup and the screensport super cup have been added.What is the consensus on this? I can just about understand the inclusion of the full members cup as it ran for a few seasons.I personally disagree with the inclusion of the Screensport as it was a one off competition which was played over two seasons then scrapped.Doesn't it open the door to all sorts of competitions? How about the county and regional cups won for example? They used to feature first teams.Where are we drawing the line? Thoughts please.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.85.87.188 (talk) 15:48, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Since both were created due to the ban on English Clubs, I'll say to combine them in one same column. I don't think this would make a precedent for county or regional cups since both were national cups.--Coquidragon (talk) 16:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Screensport was played only for one season actually, but i think it should not be in a same column as the Full Members Cup. And i think they both are a must have, as both were official tournaments not of a friendly/exhibitional type. I even assume that both are major titles of much more significance than say the Community Shield or any other minor title/one game tournament. And both Super Cup and Full Members Cup are of much more significance than any lower league tournaments like the FL Trophy, or let's say the FA War Cup. So i think those must stay as they are, because both are a part of English Football History. Please let me have your thoughts on the matter.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.133.0.122 (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most successful clubs overall 

message: Here's what's written in the article:
Games without a loss
Most consecutive league games without a loss: 49, Arsenal (Premier League, 7 May 2003 to 24 October 2004)
Most consecutive league games without a loss at home: 86, Chelsea (Premier League, 20 March 2004 to 26 October 2008)
Most consecutive league games without a loss away: 27, Arsenal (Premier League, 5 April 2003 to 25 September 2004)
Now, look at the first and third. If Arsenal indeed went without a loss until the 24th of October, 2004, how is it possible that their away streak of games without a loss went on only till 25 September, 2004? Obviously, they lost a game after that, meaning their overall streak did not in fact continue until the 24th of October of the same year. 27.4.87.115 (talk) 17:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct, It should be fixed, if won't be fixed I will deal with it tomorrow.   – HonorTheKing (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepency in the Most Games Without a Loss section 

message: What do you think of this? It is the format used for the parallel Spain and Italy articles.--Coquidragon (talk) 04:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it. Pretty Green (talk) 09:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Coquidragon (talk) 22:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles won (Table format) 

message: Team             	The FA	The FA	The FA	The FA	The FA	UEFA	UEFA	UEFA	UEFA	UEFA	UEFA	UEFA 	FIFA	FIFA	Total
Team             	PL    	FAC   	FLC   	FACS  	Total 	ICFC	UCL 	UCWC	UEL 	USC 	UIC 	Total	IC  	FCWC	Total
Manchester United	19    	11    	4     	19    	53    	0   	3   	1   	–   	1   	-   	5    	1   	1   	60
:I like it. Pretty Green (talk) 09:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Coquidragon (talk) 22:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: By Club

message: The consecutive top flight seasons,Arsenal never got promoted therefore shouldn't count? 80.2.35.201 (talk) 12:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled 2012

message: Re removal of this from stats tables - This is/was a trophy officially recognised by FIFA. What grounds are there for saying it is an unofficial trophy? --Egghead06 (talk) 12:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Classicfootball is not an official document. "Major honour" don't mean official. I'm sorry that English wikipedia has this huge mistake. Fortunately there are other ones that consider ICFC unofficial. --L'Eremita (talk) 07:47, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This official document has all the competitions recognized by FIFA (last page). Where is ICFC? --L'Eremita (talk) 07:47, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

text: That document is completely useless for the point you are trying to make. It lists International tournaments such as World Cups and Olympics games. It does not list ANY domestic competitions. Based on that we should remove the Cup Winners Cup and The Champions League Etc????!!! --Egghead06 (talk) 08:20, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The document shows the competitions directly recognized by FIFA (like the Club World Cup). Champions' League is indirectly recognized by FIFA, because UEFA recognized it. But UEFA didn't recognize ICFC! Neither FIFA (directly) nor UEFA (therefore FIFA indirectly) recognized ICFC, so ICFC is not official. --L'Eremita (talk) 11:18, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

text: May you explain me why the List of confederation and inter-confederation club competition winners says that ICFC is an unofficial competition? I'm not the only here that think that way. --L'Eremita (talk  —Preceding undated comment added 11:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nowhere in the lead to this article does it mention that competitions referenced in stats tables have to be recognised by FIFA, UEFA or anyone else but be that at it may we seem to disagree on whether FIFA acknowledge this as an official tournamment. They certainly acknowlege it here. I have raised it here to gain consensus - please add your views to a wider audience.--Egghead06 (talk) 12:02, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As requested, I already added my comments to the Project Football page, but I wanted to ask L'Eremita, why do you want to exclude ICFC from the list? Nowhere in the article or the table does it say that ICFC is an official tournament. This table mentions mayor titles won by English teams. I don't think that its being unofficial by UEFA standards merits its exclusion, specially since there is already a label stating "Although not organized by UEFA, the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup is included here under UEFA as it is the official predecessor to the UEL." My opinion is as valid as yours. Thanks in advanced.--Coquidragon (talk) 14:16, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

text: I have gone ahead and rephrased "official" to state "major." Hope this ends the discussion.--Coquidragon (talk) 14:20, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not International Football Cup, then? It was the predecessor of Intertoto! --L'Eremita (talk) 12:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: First, I don't appreciate your addressing my question with another question. If you have something to say, just say it. We cannot have an intelligence exchange of ideas this way. Second, since you asked, the International Football Cup is not included because no English cup won it. Now, I ask that you remember that this article is not an isolated article about English football, but one in a series of articles of "Football records" for different countries and the Football records in Spain and Football records in Italy articles do include their ICFC. Besides, the only major European tournament won by an English team pre-UEFA was the ICFC. That is, unless you want to include the Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy won by a team, currently in 7th tier, the West Auckland Town F. C. Once again, since there are no other major tournaments excluded, why don't you want ICFC included? It was after all a major tournament and the official predecessor of the UEFA Cup (by official, I don't mean official tournament, but its official recognition by UEFA and FIFA as the predecessor to the UEFA Cup).--Coquidragon (talk) 14:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO these articles should include only official trophy (FIFA or UEFA). --L'Eremita (talk) 09:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Fairs Cup

message: Premier League records redirects here and not to Premier League records and statistics. Someone should probably fix that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.55.220 (talk) 12:41, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: .   – HonorTheKing (talk) 13:05, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: *Longest League run without scoring a point: 41 (ongoing)
**Woodford United from 9 April 2012 and currently still ongoing (see current Southern League Division One Central league table).
Removed this from the non-league section, as Woodford now have points, I'm not sure when from.  The link given is also out of date, as they're no longer in that league (relegated).  They're now in the United Counties League Div 1: http://full-time.thefa.com/ProcessPublicSelect.do?psSelectedSeason=190054943&Submit.x=9&Submit.y=7&Submit=Submit&psSelectedDivision=1001979&psSelectedCompetition=0&psSelectedLeague=1625657 86.132.183.123 (talk) 10:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest run without scoring a point 

message: in the league section, under individual, why is there no "individual wins" similar to the FA CUP section?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.158.15.144 (talk) 16:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual wins - leagues 

message: Reference #9 no longer works  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.50.17.94 (talk) 05:28, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: In the attendance section there should be a sub section to include records from 1994 when it was made mandatory for all top-flight clubs clubs to have all-seater stadia following the Taylor report.
It should also include a record for the highest number of empty seats in a top-flight match. (Not including games behind closed doors or supporter restrictions).Angry Mustelid (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  All Seated Attendance 

message: I get what this is trying to say, but both Maine Road and Wembley were Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur's own stadium at the time - it's possibly irrelevant that they now play at Old Trafford and the New White Hart Lane. Should this just be one league record? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.142.229 (talk) 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attendance records - "at own stadium" 

message: Should the Football Alliance be included in the list of discontinued competitions? It was a professional league that was inaugurated as a direct alternative to the Football League & ran between 1890-1892. It was intended at it's beginning to be a long-running competition in its' own right, before an agreed amalgamation with the Football League. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nix D (talk • contribs) 08:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Football Alliance

message: My understanding is matches that end in a penalty shoot-out officially count as draws. Manchester City had two shoot-out wins during their run in 2017-18, so the club's press release about a 20-game winning streak is not accurate. I believe the record still belongs to Arsenal at 14 wins. It seems low, but I have not found any team with a longer streak. Source  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:1519:40DA:150A:DBCE:ADDA:AC95 (talk) 23:07, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consecutive wins in all competitions 

message: @DoctorHver Preston N.E 1888-89 until 1888-89 = 1year between titles. How is that possible, they won it again the following year? Preston in their entire history, have never gone 1 year between titles. Same for Portsmouth who also won back to back titles. Huddersfield Town won in 1924, 25, 26, never have they had a 1 year gap either. Sheffield Utd 1897/98 until 1897/98 = 125 years. How does that work? Same for West Brom, 1919/20 until N/A = 102yrs. Makes NO sense. Ipswich, Forest and Leicester are also unnecessary as all the stats are in the current column. Your edits make the table incorrect, with duplicated and erroneous totals.
“Others like Manchester United and Liverpool have never played outside of the top two divisions and thus are unlikely to ever complete the set.” Again unnecessary, the subject of all the clubs that have only played in two divisions are totally unrelated to the seven clubs who have played in all four divisions, winning three. Nothing to do with clubs who have only played in two or three, regardless of who they are. Its records, historical, not what could maybe happen in the future. I’ve reverted it back again, so it makes sense, again. I am not getting dragged down into a edit war over something so clear cut and trivial, I’ll leave it to the admins. Spare Koppers (talk) 13:17, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletions 

message: why isn't sunderland in list won 1st div ,2nd div and 3rd div 2A01:4C8:1407:DC5F:1:1:82C1:9639 (talk) 05:51, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  clubs that won 3 championships 

message: Although initial reports said there were five red cards in the Exeter v Cambridge game in 2002, there were actually only four.
Here are the stats on Soccerbase https://www.soccerbase.com/matches/results.sd?date=2002-11-23
Here are a couple of references to the fact there was some confusion about how many players were sent off before it became clear that the referee only showed the red card on four occasions.
"The match report on Cambridge United's official web site confirms that Shane Tudor was the only United player to be sent-off following a brawl at the end of the game." 
"Many sources mistakenly stated that Tom Youngs was also shown a red card."
"Furthermore, on appeal, Shane's red card was later rescinded." https://www.11v11.com/matches/exeter-city-v-cambridge-united-23-november-2002-14434/
"I must comment on referee Brian Curson after his first Burnley game. There is little I can say in defence of a referee who never gave the impression he knew what was going on."
"This season he has given out 97 yellow cards and 11 red cards in 34 games with 61 of those yellow cards going to away team players and 36 to home team players."
"Four of his eleven red cards not only came in one match but all four came in stoppage time at the end of the 3rd Division game between Exeter and Cambridge at St. James’ Park, won 2-1 by Cambridge."
"Exeter keeper Kevin Miller was rightly sent off in the first incident but then Glenn Cronin and Gareth Sheldon (both Exeter) and Shane Tudor (Cambridge) were all sent off as a free for all developed on the touchline. Curson seemed not to have a clue what was going on and there was some confusion as to who he had sent off."
"Both managers expressed concern at the way he had handled the game and Cambridge boss John Taylor appealed against Tudor’s red card, an appeal that was upheld. Taylor said at the time that the referee had finally seen some sense." https://www.clarets-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/curson_gets_second_burnley_game_99800/index.shtml 81.101.15.243 (talk) 03:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most red cards in a single match 

message: Can anyone explain the table here, it literally makes no sense. is it over a single season? if so what season? Firestar47 (talk) 23:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  All time top scorers