Talk:Miami metropolitan area

message: I don't know if this is the proper place for this comment, but is it possible to get a better representative picture of Ft. Lauderdale?  The one on here is pretty awful! Bgtgwazi 20:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter what you think. Putting what you think in the article would be original research. Principal cities in MSAs are defined by the Office of Management and Budget. As listed in METROPOLITAN AND MICROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREAS AND PRINCIPAL CITIES, December 2005, WITH CODES, the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area has the following Principal Cities listed: Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Miami Beach, West Palm Beach, Pompano Beach, Kendall, Boca Raton, Deerfield Beach, Boynton Beach and Delray Beach. This is verifiable. As soon as I close this comment, I'll make sure list of Principal Cities is properly cited. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 00:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: principal cities

message: The Miami urbanized area does extend to the cities of Fort Lauderdale and eastern West Palm beach, as far north as Jupiter and as far south as Florida City. The Census Bureau treats the whole thing as a single urban area. --Polaron | Talk 15:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are different things involved here. The SMA includes all of Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach Counties. The 'Miami urbanized area' includes the densely populated area extending from from Florida City to Jupiter/Tequesta (and actually, a little bit into Martin County), but it is only two to twenty miles wide. SMA 'Divisions' are just that, statistical division within an SMA, and the Miami-Ft.Lauderdale-Miami Beach SMA is divided into the three division listed in the article. -- Donald Albury 23:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  urban areas 

message: Is this correct?  Pompano Beach, Florida  -    Marc Averette 18:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2005 estimate by the Census Bureau is 104,179. --Polaron | Talk 18:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then should the template have Pompano Beach added to it to reflect this?   -   Marc Averette 18:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To the template (at the top of the article)?  Not necessarily.  I think the top 5 cities (after Miami) are probably enough.  To this section?  Yes, I think that would be correct.  Using the 2005 estimate seems acceptable, as this was also done for Miami Gardens, Florida. Ufwuct 19:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see, the recent annexations pushed Pompano over 100,000. As the plan is for all unincorporated populated areas in Broward County to be annexed into one of the cities, we can expect other cities in Broward to show sudden jumps in population. -- Donald Albury 02:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for Pompano Beach claims there are over 100,000 people 

message: says its often no more than 5 miles wide.  thats just not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
:I agree, mostly.  The only spot where it looks like it could be about 5 miles across would be north of the Broward County line between Boca Raton and Boynton Beach.  The word "often" is misleading.  It's "often" from 10-15 miles across.  -  Marc Averette 19:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'five-miles wide' is sourced () in the article. Don't removed information that is sourced based on your personal opinion. Moreover, if you will look at the map at , you will see that the southern portion down to Florida City and the northern portion from West Palm Beach to southern Martin County are both narrow. -- Donald Albury 00:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The source states "as little as five miles".  It doesn't use the misleading word "often".  The article should reflect what the source states.  -  Marc Averette 05:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Size of Urban Area

message: I'm wondering if I should add the Southern Blvd. section of Florida State Road 80 in eastern Palm Beach County to the freeways section of the article.  It is being made as a limited access freeway, but theres still about 3 tiny intersections along the way that they don't plan on converting to on/off-ramps.  Discuss.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyxox (talk • contribs) 
:It is just a limited part of the highway. I think maybe a section in Florida State Road 80 specifically about the limited access section, and a link to that section from the list of freeways would do the trick. -- Donald Albury 14:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: State Route 80

message: I have failed the Good Article nomination as this article does not meet the criteria. See the above comments for more details. The main problems are extensive lists, a lead which does not summarise the article and inadequate references in some sections. Hope this is useful in getting the article to GA standard. - Suicidalhamster 18:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fail GA nomination

message: South Florida redirects here, however South Florida covers Fort Myers south on the West Coast and Port St. Lucie South on the east coast, based off annual temperatures and commuting.  This page should state that this page is only the metropolitan area, not all of South Florida. Casey14 18:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: South Florida

message: Due to Florida's prominence in the exotic pet trade, iguanas imported as pets have escaped or been released, and are now established in South Florida. This has created unique problems for Florida's homeowners and businesses. South and Central Florida's subtropical climate allows these large herbivorous (plant-eating) lizards to survive, reproduce, and become part of the Florida environment. 
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/IN528  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe2832 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Exotic Pet Trade & Iguanas 

message: Someone just changed the "common name" in the infobox from "Miami - Ft. Lauderdale" to "Miami-Dade - Broward - Palm Beach". My impulse is to say that the most common "common name" for the area is "South Florida". I don't hear people saying "Miami-Dade - Broward - Palm Beach", and I doubt most people use "Miami-Ft. Lauderdale" to refer to the three county area. Anyway, let's get some discussion going and see if we can agree on something. -- Donald Albury 21:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can definitely say Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, Miami-Dade-Broward-Palm Beach, Miami-Fort Lauderdale, and all its variations, are not the common names. However, "South Florida", "Miami metro", or sometimes even just "Miami" if you're from outside the state, could all be common names. --Comayagua99 (talk) 23:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Common name" in infobox 

message: Just curious, but wouldn't the highest current elevation (even though it is manmade) be one of the Mouth Trashmores, like the one near the Dade-Broward line in the Turnpike?  Since it is dirt-covered, would it no longer be considered "artificial"?  I know, I have too much time on my hands, but I saw that mountain and thought that it was MUCH more than 15 feet high. CodeCarpenter (talk) 14:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe elevation doesn't count unless it's natural.  Key West also has a "trashmore" that's about 100 ft high (on Stock Island), but it's not considered since Solares Hill is listed as the high point.  There's a site called Peakbagger that lists high points taken from topographic maps.  Here's Miami's highpoint (20 feet) and Dade County's highpoint (35 feet). - Marc Averette (talk) 23:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Highest elevation?

message: A correction needs to be made in the section dealing with schools.  In Florida, almost ALL superindents are elected to office, not appointed by school boards.  Nor are they necessarily "professional", though most have some teaching experience.```  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.55.24.66 (talk) 20:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure where you get that idea.  A little over half (not "almost ALL") of the superintendents are elected, but the superintendents for ALL of the largest districts (effectively all that contain cities someone who doesn't live in Florida would have heard of) are appointed.  Further, relevant to this article, the superintendent for each of the South Florida school districts (Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach) are appointed.  How "professional" they are is up for debate, but they are selected as if they are professional... 108.74.28.81 (talk) 04:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  School superintendents 

message: The official name of the MSA is set by the Office of Management and Budget. That name has been Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-Pompano Beach for a number of years now. Unless and until someone can cite a more recent bulletin or list from the Office of Management and Budget showing a new name, Pompano Beach is part of the name and West Palm Beach is not. As MSAs are defined by the OMB, using anything other than the name designated by the OMB is OR. -- Donald Albury 10:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of MSA (redux) 

message: "monthly housing costs for mortgaged owners was $71,517"..., etc.
Can someone source this? I think not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bollyjeff (talk • contribs) 19:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a cursory Google to see if any hard numbers popped up; none did, so I dumped the sentence entirely and replaced it with cited figures about income percentage. If anybody gets real amounts, they can be added, but leaving the figures as they were adds nothing to WP's credibility. Fat&Happy (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  monthly housing costs 

message: Hi! The Miami metro map badly needs a repainting or vectorization. You could use Open Street Map material. Can you do this? Cheers Horst-schlaemma (talk) 13:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of Miami metro: Repaint/vectorize! 

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message: The map displayed in the infobox shows the Miami urbanized area, which is part of, but not the same as, the Miami metropolitan area. The map used to have a caption that described it (see this dif), but the caption has been lost, and readers may be led to think it represents the MSA when it actually just represents the urbanized, or built-up, part of the MSA. - Donald Albury 01:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And now that I think about it, the Miami urbanized area extends a little bit into Martin County (although it is hard to see that on the map). - Donald Albury 01:35, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map in the infobox 

message: "The Miami metropolitan area also includes several urban clusters (UCs) as of the 2000 Census which are not part of the Miami Urbanized Area. These are the Belle Glade UC, population 24,218, area 20,717,433 square meters and population density of 3027.6 per square mile; Key Biscayne UC, population 10,513, area 4,924,214 square meters and population density of 5529.5 per square mile; Redland UC, population 3,936, area 10,586,212 square meters and population density of 963.0 per square mile; and West Jupiter UC, population 8,998, area 24,737,176 square meters and population density of 942.1 per square mile."
Why is this formatted like this? I'm pretty tired right now, or I'd try to fix this myself. (This is in the lede, by the way.) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 01:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that paragraph about the urban clusters more than 16 years ago, when almost the whole article consisted of what is now the lead. That information is now more than 20 years old, and should either be updated (and moved down in the article) or removed. I may try to find the equivalent info from the 2020 census (although I have a backlog of things to look up), but that paragraph is no longer essential in the lead. Donald Albury 14:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird paragraph 

message: I have corrected some items in the infobox and lead to match the OMB definitions. Please note that all of the population and economic data in the article are for the MSA as defined by the OMB. Changing the name of the MSA, or adding names to the list of "principal cities" without support from a citation to the most recent OMB bulletin, is original research. (See above for earlier discussions about the name of the MSA and the list of "principal cities".) I think something open to discussion is whether we want the list of "principal cities" in the article, and, if so, how high up in the article? Any list of "principal  cities" must conform to the OMB defined list, however. Please note that any list of cities in the article must either be supported by a reliable source, or based on a simple criterion, such as the lists of cities by population size range that are currently in the article. We should not have any list that includes cities just because they are some editors' favorite, unless it includes all 104 incorporated municipalities in the MSA. Donald Albury 17:38, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using OMB definitions 

message: Since SoFlo is a whole region of the state and this refers to a metro area of a city shouldn’t we take out references to South Florida in the opening paragraph? Banan14kab (talk) 00:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Florida references