Talk:Quetta

message: It is part of Pakistan. This must be an old reference during the British colonial rule.
User:Siddiqui 19:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1935 Quake

message: Quetta's population is at least 2 million.
::It is about 1.5 million not 2 million -- Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 19:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: On one hand, there are about 600,000 inhabitants of Quetta.  However, this is found in the Culture section: Beside millions of Afghan immigrants, the local inhabitants are mainly Pashtuns.  
Therefore, I think that this is a contradiction.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.180.183.131 (talk) 02:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Afghani Refugees and total population

message: Here the transliteration is given as kwattah. Does that mean it is کوېټه ? I'm out of my element here, just wondering. What are u wondering about? may be i can provide some elelments for you to stop wondering.User:Habib248ccm  Khiradtalk 16:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The name

message: The above poem was written in the late 1800's taking place in Quetta.  Does anyone have a clue why Jack Barrett died?  Is Septemeber a likely season to contract maleria or some other disease?--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 14:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[s:The Story of Uriah]] 

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It would be replaced with the generic Template:Pakistani Cities gren グレン 22:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:Quetta-infobox 

message: I'm wondering whether the article should have at least a passing mention of the ongoing questions about Taliban presence in Quetta.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,450605,00.html
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I agree.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chilicheez (talk • contribs) 04:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Taliban?

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message: Quetta and Kasi
In the early seventeenth century, a Pashtun from North Pakistan called Khwaja Ni’mat Allah described the tribal structure and origin of Pashtun Society in this work, the Makbzan-I Afghani. Although it undoubtedly contains information on the ethnogenesis of the Pashtuns, this genealogy should not be read as a sound historical source that indicates how the Pashtuns came into being as a distinct ethnic group. Instead, it should be used as a source of information, from the seventeenth century or earlier, for the way in which the Pashtuns saw themselves as a group. Ni’mat Allah differentiates between four main groups of Pashtuns. These are the descendants of the three sons of the putative ancestor of al Pashtuns, Qays Abdul Al-Rashid Pathan, plus another, fourth group. The putative ancestor himself descended, according to traditional genealogies, from King Sarul (Saul), the Jewish king. The allegedly Jewish ancestry of the Pashtuns was a subject always hotly debated in Pashtun tea houses!
The three sons of Qays Abdul Al-Rashid pathan were named Sarban, Bitan and Ghurghusht (although there are many variants of these names). Most important of these, at least in the eyes of Ni’mat Allah, was Sarban. He was the eldest son. His descendants, via his son Sharkhbun, are mainly found in South Afghanistan, and via his other son Kharshbun, in the Peshawar Valley. Those in the west include the Abdalis, who since the mid-eighteenth century are called the Durranis. Those in the east include the Yousfzay, who lie north of Peshawar, and many other tribes in the same area.
Genealogy of Pathan tribes, from The Imperial Gazetteer of India, Vol. XIX, Pg 207 The relationship between the descendants of Sharkhbun and Kharshbun is of great interest. If Ni’mat Allah is correct, this would indicate historical connections. In this context the spread of another group, namely the offspring of a man called Kasi, is also important. Kasi was another descendant of Kharshbun, the son of Sarban. Kasi’s descendants include the Shinwaris, who nowadays live in the Jalalabad area west of Peshawar. But they also include two other tribes who live far to the south, in the Quetta region southeast of Qandahar, namely the Kasis themselves and the Ketrans. [1]
You can also download the Pata Khazana and see page number 10 which is about Kasi. Pata Khazana or the Hidden Treasure is a biography of Pashtoon poets from the earliest times to the time of Mohammad Hotak, the author. It was written in 1728-29 AD in Kandahar, Afghanistan. The earliest poet mentioned in Pata Khazana, Amir Krorr, died in 771 AD. [2]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.140.194 (talk) 17:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quetta and Kasi (Pashtoon / Afghan) 

message: This article is about Quetta. Its the city of all of us. In this article it seems that Quetta is only about pashtuns and no one else.
 Pashtuns are  in majority if you consider afghan refugees otherwise Balochis are in majority in quetta. This article in notable people section included names of a lot of pashtun tribe leaders. Come on, what is this include only those who are nationally popular and them which originate from here not everyone from entire pashtun belt.
 Late Hassam Qazi who was the most popular actor of Quetta Nationally, his name was no where before i included it. No mentioning of akbar bugti, whose second home was quetta. He was C.m and governor of this province. Nawab Shahwani who is the cheif of shahwani tribe he also deserves to be here. Because most of the parts of Quetta southren side belonged to shahwani tribe which are more than any other tribe. Even still they have a lot remaining on that side. 
 Balochistan as a province was not created for the first time in 1970. There used to be a british balochistan before partion. This error i have corrected and hope that you people will not disturb it. Brauhi is the most ancient language among all the languages in this region and Quetta just like Karachi was first inhabited by baloch tribes then our Pashtun brothers also settled here.
This article is for presenting information about this great city and not for ethnic battles. So please keep that in mind while doing any sort of edits. Correct me if I am wrong....
``Primeboy``  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Primeboy (talk • contribs) 17:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please only include the relelvent factual information. 

message: Please avoide.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Mohammad Khilji (talk • contribs) 20:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary Deletion

message: Zarghoon mount Koh-i-Zarghoon is also coming in the surroundings of Quetta like mount Chiltan,Koh-i-Chiltan mount Takatuo  Koh-i-Takatu and mount Murdaar,Koh-i-Murdaar--[ [User: Baloch Baba] ] 13:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct infoKarim jan (talk) 08:56, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mountains arround Quetta

message: The page is a persistent target of vandalism and illegal edits specifically by User:Karim jan. I urge the fair contributors to seriously look into this matter. The user claims that Quetta's real name is Shal a Balochi word which in fact was the city's old name Shal Kot and wasn't actually derived from Balochi. He further claims that all the Pashtun population migrated from Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion. The fact is that Northern Baluchistan including Quetta has historically been part of Afghanistan before the British takeover.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajmalahmedkhan (talk • contribs) 19:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You said "The fact is that Northern Baluchistan including Quetta has historically been part of Afghanisatn before the British takeover." So check this link then claim such happenings. And, avoid future vandalism on this page.Karim jan (talk) 09:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalsim

message: Quetta city’s real inhabitants were Shahwaani (Baloch) and Kasi (Pashtun), and in late 19th century Hazara people from central Afghanistan begin migration to Shal due to killing of Hazaras by Afghan rulers (i.e Amir Abdur Rahman Khan). The real name of Quetta is Shal, which is aBalochi language word, and the main castle in the city, which now is a arsenal of Pakistan Army, was the seat of Baloch governor till the occupation of the city by the British troops. Baloch and Pashtun have lived brotherly in Shal without any problem, in fact Pashtuns ,in the past, called Shal as Shal-Kot (meaning: The Castle of Shal). But as the time went by political conditions changed and the Pakistani control of the city distorted everything. Also, from 1978 to 2000s hundreds of thousands of Pashtuns migrated to Shal, from Afghanistan as ecnomical conditions become harder for the people there. 
On this page editors must not feel affronted by historical facts, we must accept truth and bring facts to the readers. Thanks
Karim jan (talk) 22:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently (officially, internationally, academically, etc..), it is known as Quetta. If it was once known as Shal, than it should be mentioned at the history section of this article. There is no reason to flood the intro and infobox with the word "Shal". You also have to find reliable sources to prove your Afghan refugee claims. If you cannot source them and wikipedians cannot verify your sources, than there is no reason to add those claims.  (Ketabtoon (talk) 01:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I haven’t written any editions without sources. Here you are wrong to say that “flood the intro and infobox with the word Shal". It should be written there as its real name is. If in the inbox there is Pashtun and Urdu wording for Shal/Quetta then why not Balochi and Brahui? Well everybody knows that nearly a million Afghan refugees live in Shal, but, well we have to give sources, and that will be soon posted on Shal/Quetta page.Karim jan (talk) 20:33, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

text: An Afghan refugees related link: | Afghanistan refugees V/s Baloch IDPs Karim jan (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

text: What Pakistanis think about Afghan refugees: | Pakistan Defence         Karim jan (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is very little information available regarding Shal. If the region was historically known by that name, it should be added to Quetta#Etymology or Quetta#History sections of the article. Even the official website of Quetta fails to mention anything about Shal at their website.   (Ketabtoon (talk) 04:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read some books about the history of Balochistan you will find information regarding Shal. Mostly Government of Pakistan's websites do not write factual history regarding Balochistan they inherited British terminology due to political reasons. But here is a link, also from a semi-government site, regarding Shal: Check itKarim jan (talk) 08:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Racism must not be allowed on Quetta page

message: Above I mentioned just two tribes who are know to be the actual populace of Shal/Quetta, there are other Baloch and Pashtun tribes that too belong to original inhabitants list. Those are:
Qambarani, Baloch, whose land property is from present day Killi Qambarani to northern edge of Chiltan where Samungli area begins.
Yasinzai, Pashtun, who came to Shal from Toba Kakari area in late 19th centaury.
Langove, Baloch, one of the earliest tribes of Shal.  
Lehri, Baloch, the inhabitants of mountains just south of Shal.
Jattak, Baloch, also an old tribe of Shal.
Bazai, Pashtun, which trace it roots to Pashin valley, further north of Shal.
And
Sayyad, Arab origin, who settled in Kirani area of Shal during the times Mir Abdullah, father of Muhammad Nasir Khan I (The Great). Sayyads have matrimonial relations with both Baloch and Pashtun. 
Karim jan (talk) 20:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Further on Quetta people

message: Markhor is a  Balochi and Tajiki word (in  Balochi it is also know as Koh-Pachin-e-Chiltan or Ibex of Mount Chiltan)  , and is a wild goat not a wild sheep. Some editors are bent on to defend the concept, by defying scientific research, that Markhor is a sheep. Strange that people have ignored this fact on Shal/Quetta page for so long. Open your eyes and above all minds!  Check Wikipedia’s own link regarding MarkhorKarim jan (talk) 08:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Markhor is a goat

message: The ancient name of Quetta was Shalkot, a term by which it is still known among the people of the country, the District was held in turns by the Ghaznavids, Ghurids, and Mongols, and towards the end of the fifteenth century was conferred by the ruler of Herat on Shah Beg Arghun, who, however, had shortly to give way before the rising power of the Mughals. The Ain-e-Akbari mentions both Shal and Pishin as supplying military service and revenue to Akbar, however these areas passed with Kandahar to the Safavids. On the rise of the Ghilzai power in Kandahar at the beginning of the eighteenth century, simultaneously with that of the Brahuis in Kalat, Quetta and Pishin became the battle-ground between Afghan and Brahui, until Nadir Shah handed Quetta over to the Brahuis about 1740. The Durranis and their successors continued to hold possession of Pishin and Shorarud till the final transfer of these places to the British in 1879.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.183.211.212 (talk) 10:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Shal is Quetta

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message: The word quetta in wikipedia is described as it derived from the word kuwatta of balochi language. which is a mistake, the same word belongs to pashto language basically as it is the most common language spoken in the city. The word quetta is basically derived from the word kwatta of pashto language  which means the same as it is mentioned in wikipedia's search for quetta.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.183.221.66 (talk) 11:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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message: Why has there been no mention of the Quetta Shurra, which is one of the most hotly-debated issues in the Afghan War? 14.192.208.205 (talk) 15:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quetta Shura 

message: I feel it is worth mentioning that Quetta was the location of the Indian Staff College, where Montgomery of Alamein was Chief Instructor from 1935-37. He had been forecasting a Second World War for years, but calculated that he would be too old for it. So he believed that his contribution to the next big combat would be to instruct the new fast-track officers to the best of his ability. Unusually, he made close friends with these new men, including Harding, and they defended his record when he was in danger of the chop in '39, when many other top brass were longing for an excuse to get rid of him. Valetude (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Staff College 

message: Hi.
The second paragraph mentions Pakistan and Afghanistan and Quetta being an important link between 3 countries: ("Located in northern Balochistan near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, Quetta is a trade and communication centre between the three countries.")
If I'm reading the paragraph correctly, instead of "three countries" it should read "two countries".
Thank you.
99.108.249.40 (talk) 06:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done It was changed from "two" to "three" by blocked user . Stickee (talk) 11:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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message: Are there any plans to include this group as a main section? My understanding is Quetta is home to the Quetta Shura; a militant organization composed of top leadership of the Afghan Taliban since 2001. The city and surrounding greater Quetta area have been a hot spot of Taliban related activity for both the Pakistan and United States' government for years. Not including this information appears to go against Wikipedia's WP:NPOV. As a neutral online encyclopedia our responsibility as editors is provide ALL relevant information; not suppress or censor it. As an active editor I have to wonder why this information hasn't been added yet. It's historical, factual, and very significant to Quetta.  14.192.208.205 asked about this on 24 February 2013 and nothing has happened since. If there are no objections I would like to start authoring the section. - Gorba (talk) 20:43, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have decided by add a quick note under the Demographic section. Gorba (talk) 07:38, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me make this point clear: Nobody should be removing this quick note under the Demographics section. This Pakistani area is well documented by numerous sources (one of which I referenced) to be the official hub of the Afghan Taliban. It's dubbed the "Quetta Shura" for that reason. When new information becomes available feel free to change this, but until then do not remove the note. - Gorba (talk) 20:26, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm putting out an official call to discuss the following addition to the Demographics' section: "Demographically Quetta is the primary home of the Quetta Shura; a militant organization composed of top leadership of the Afghan Taliban since 2001." The Changelog shows someone at 182.183.160.24 removed my addition. I did a traceroute on this IP and it came back as Quetta, Balochistan, Pakistan. This is Tendentious Editing (WP:TE) because the manner of editing is partisan and biased by a citizen living in Quetta. The removal of my entry does not conform to the neutral point of view. The person removing this did so from an IP address. I am a long-time Autoconfirmed editor. Based on this I am adding the addition back. Further, I am calling for a discussion on this topic to understand the point of contention. I also would like to avoid turning this into a edit war. Before removing my addition let's talk so that we can come to a mutual understanding and consensus. I welcome anyone's comments on this. Thank you. -- Gorba (talk) 02:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added "Quetta Shura" back under the Demographics heading with the understanding that semi-protection should prevent the IPs from Quetta, Balochistan, Pakistan from consistently making WP:TE removals of that information. - Gorba (talk) 00:48, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quetta Shura addition under WP:NPOV and WP:TE attack. Need resolution. 

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thread_title:  Population is not "two million" 

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message: Two of the listed names Balochi and Hazaragi are identical:
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Is there a reason to include both? If you want to represent that both groups are present then maybe this could be done better with a lisy of local languages or local demographics? If they are said differently, that needs to be indicated somehow, with diacritics on the Arabic letters or transliteration or IPA. Irtapil (talk) 10:16, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Balochi and Hazaragi names shown are identical 

message: Please Zakaria1978, provide sources that can support your claim. Instead of providing fictitious references where almost nothing about the info given is provided. Casperti (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Casperti, I noticed that you removed sourced information from the article that was easily verifiable; this behaviour has been carried into other articles too, it seems and is disruptive to the project. Might I know your reason for doing this? User:Zakaria1978, your contributions are appreciated here on Wikipedia, but I would advise you to use a citation template when adding information to the article in the future; I would also recommend using the "quote" parameter in the reference, as I have done. This makes it difficult for individuals who wish to remove well-referenced information from an article, because with the quote parameter, the information is verifiable. As such, I have added additional references to the article in this format to buttress the content you added. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 18:10, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep the Personal attacks out, we both know that the account is on POV rampage posting the exact same info to multiple wiki pages, to be on topic: You (Anupam) have not mentioned any sources where Quetta is mentioned. I am not talking about Sibi and Kalat, where your references refer to. For now it just another "mispresenting reliable sources read: WP:DISRUPT and WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. If you are right then who am I to correct you? Please provide an exact source that the Sewa dynasty had modern-day Quetta within its empire. Casperti (talk) 23:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your reply User:Casperti. I had a look at the references and rewrote the paragraph in accordance with what the sources state. Source number 10 makes reference to the former Quetta Division, out of which the Sibi Division was created. I do think though, that the information, in general, would be appropriate for the Balochistan article, rather than this city specifically. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 00:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks User:Anupam for the fast reply. Exactly, this is what I am saying the whole time: the Sewa dynasty was not active/ruling over Quetta city. So why should we post this information on Quetta? That is almost ridiculous. Zakaria's argument that the 19th & 20th century British created Quetta division included Sibi so, therefore, we should place Quetta under the Sewa dynasty is just... So, in short, there was no Sewa dynasty in Quetta city so why placing it under its history, that is just mispresenting a reference in an article. But your proposal on placing the information on the Balochistan page rather than this city is very good idea. We can place it under every main Balochistan article but also on Sibi and Kalat based articles. Casperti (talk) 21:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome User:Casperti and my apologies for the tone of my initial comment to you. I'll go ahead and move the information to the articles on Balochistan and the History of Balochistan. I have no objections if you remove the paragraph from here, unless User:Zakaria1978 can substantiate the claim that the Sewa Dynasty ruled over what is now Quetta. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 02:13, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No Problem User:Anupam, I saw you have already done the changes Thanks for that. If you need help with adding it to other Balochistan articles, let me know, I will do it. Thank you. Cheers Casperti (talk) 18:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims of a dynasty 

message: Shaalkot is the old name of Quetta. 
Quetta is derived from Kwatta.
Is Shalkot also the common name for Quetta or is it Quettawal? Or does it differ by language, but the common name is Quetta? Any Pashto or Baluchi speaker here?
https://twitter.com/jam_kamal/status/1403040660115144710?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratham12Chawdhry (talk • contribs) 10:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shalkot, Kwatta, Quetta 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. Very clear consensus that the city is the primary topic. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 17:51, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Quetta →  – The SI prefix for 10^30 has been confirmed to be quetta-. Georgia guy (talk) 16:24, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Oppose Quetta as a prefix was only created in 2022 and does not even have its own article. It is already covered by the hatnote to this article which links to Quetta (disambiguation) which links through to Metric prefix.  Even if an article is created, as a neologism it clearly is not the common use in English, and will not be for very many years to come. - Arjayay (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason it doesn't have its own article is merely because Flotillœ hasn't yet gone far enough in updating Wikipedia's articles about SI prefixes. Georgia guy (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I repeat my point above "Even if an article is created, as a neologism it clearly is not the common use in English, and will not be for very many years to come." - Arjayay (talk) 21:38, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Oppose. The city is the primary topic. Srnec (talk) 21:30, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Oppose. No valid reason for complicating the title has been provided. Ghirla-трёп- 12:11, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 18 November 2022