Talk:Blind Guardian

message: BG recorded a cover of Dio's "Don't Talk to Strangers" for the compilation album "Holy Dio - A Tribute To the Voice Of Metal: Ronnie-James Dio" in 1999.  It doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere on the page.  Shouldn't it be? Gueneverey 05:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Don't Talk to Strangers" cover 

message: The writing, information, viewpoint, etc etc etc of this article was laughably bad and inappropriate so I tried to fix much of it.  Please do not revert.  If any reversion is made I hope that someone will undo it.  Before I came along this was astonishingly lame fanboy fawning. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.40.79.162 (talk) 07:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Laughably awesome. An epic army of musicians! Miserlou 03:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garbage 

message: "Track #11 on the italian release of A Night At The Opera is a bonus track. Its title is Frutto Del Buio, and it's the italian version of Harvest Of Sorrow. After this song being released, Blind Guardian is the only foreign metal band releasing a song sang in italian."
What is foreign in Wikipedia? No other "foreign" band has ever released a song in Italian? Very likely, I guess ... --85.233.21.177 16:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: It seems to me that it's very redundant to have a separate article for Blind Guardian's discography.  Many bands, if not all of them here on Wikipedia, have their discography on the main article page.  Blind Guardian has a paltry list of albums and EPs.  There is more than enough content for every album to have it's own little subsection in the main article.  If no one is willing to do the merge, then I will.  But first, what are everyone's thoughts on this?  Also, what are everyone's thoughts on having sections in the main article for the band members.  I'm actually surprised this isn't done yet.  The members are obviously a vital part of Blind Guardian.  I'm not saying that we should write up a complete biography for each member on the main article here, but a little information is much better than the state the article is in right now. Metaleks (talk) 06:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not redundant it's for when band discographies get long and more extensive. Theres many discographies for bands like Gamma Ray, Helloween and Iced Earth and Blind Guardian discography is just another one of those. No need to merge it back in here and the only part of the discography on the main page should be their studio albums. As for subsections for the band members I'm not sure about that. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  04:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with CircafuciX. What you're asking, Metaleks, is unneccesary. Many band articles (like Iron Maiden) that are big bands and have extensive discographies have their own discography pages. What's the big deal? There's links to that page from here. Same with the band members. This article is supposed to be about the band, not about the band members. All of the band members have their own pages and are linked to this page. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I wasn't sure exactly what you meant with the band members but as Navnlos said they shouldn't be merged in here and have separate pages of their own. It's like merging all their album article info into here, that would only complicate things and lower the quality. Member articles like list of Iron Maiden band members and list of Opeth band members are examples of pages for extensive band members/session musicians and line-up history, etc. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  22:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I apologize, it seems as if though I didn't make myself clear.  I did not suggest to merge the ENTIRE articles over to this one.  If you take a look at a similar band, like Nightwish, you will see that they borrow a summary of content from their respective discography pages, and more, for their main article.  I was just wondering if doing the same for Blind Guardian would be a good idea.  The BG article seems very lacking. Metaleks (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, we can do that, the article is a bit bare in some places. Didn't quite understand you before so thanks for making it clear now. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  03:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging Discography with main BG article?  (plus extras) 

message: They are playing power&speed not heavy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.64.5.241 (talk) 07:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  German Heavy Metal band ? 

message: Please respect the English syntax. Band is a singular noun, and all verbs associated with "band" or the band's name should be in singular. Hence, "band is", "Blind Guardian is". 
" A band is a collection of musicians" is not argument for grammar rules. Band, as well as army, club, or other organisation is a number of people, but when people comprise a single body, it is referred to as singular.Garret Beaumain (talk) 08:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be correct if the band were American. American subjects on Wikipedia do use American English. All other subjects require the us of proper International English. Fair Deal (talk) 12:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This IS international english syntax.
 Garret Beaumain (talk) 13:08, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In British English the use of plural forms when referring to a specific group of persons is the rule. E.g. "Police have arrested a number of criminals". De728631 (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Singular name

message: I'm reading the article, and the third paragraph of the introduction doesn't make any sense to me. It reads as is if it was written by someone who doesn't speak English. I would correct it and be done with it, but I don't know what the intention is. Here is the passage in question:
:However in 2005, Stauch left the band, disapproving Blind Guardian's musical orientation into a more progressive sound with a heavy use of backing vocals, and was replaced by Ehmke.
I don't know what this means. Did Stauch disapprove of the band's transitioning into a more progressive form of metal, or the other way around, or was it just always like that? This sentence confuses me. Can anyone help me out here? Crawldragon (talk) 19:51, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: However in 2005, Stauch left the band, disapproving of Blind Guardian's transition into a more complex progressive sound with a heavy use of backing vocals, and was replaced by Ehmke.
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about Blind Guardian's history can correct this edit for historical inaccuracy if I messed up, but as far as I know this is the best way to word that sentence in order to get the point across. Crawldragon (talk) 20:21, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't quite decipher this language 

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message: Marcus has some leads. Can I edit the timeline to show that  Brandon mr Anxiety (talk) 21:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline  

message: Hi, I don't think the Timeline table should involve also session members. What are your opinions? Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.98.187.215 (talk) 12:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't have source that he is band MEMBER, only that he is bass player (it's not the same). Look please at their official webpage which is regular updated, there are only Hansi, Andre, Markus and Frederik as members. Also theis promotional materials (ex. last youtube video). It won't be source for something that non exist. Rdebiec (talk) 09:06, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There are multiple sources announcing him as their bass player, including their own facebook page. And no sources include the words touring/session member. And on Wikipedia we work with sources, not our own research. There’s a good chance you’re right though, but to this date there is no source that mentions him as a session member, so until that day we will have to list him as an official member based on the announcements. LesRoutine (talk) 10:05, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: But where in announcement was mentioned that he is a band member? In reliable source, their official webpage which is updated we can see only 4 members, just s their last promotional materials (e.g. last Rock Hard vol. 423 magazine). But ok, i don't understand gerban, but i will buy this magazine just to show that I'm right. Rdebiec (talk) 18:10, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See citation 6 and 7 in the article. And there’s also new promotional material and a music video including the new bassist and not their keyboard player. Not usuable as a source though, because that is our own research, but how do you explain that? LesRoutine (talk) 19:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply - it's the same situation like in Barend annoucement ( Barend Announcement ) Also, I don't understand why their official page isn't reliable source? Rdebiec (talk) 11:45, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: For Barend there were more than enough sources that claimed he was a session member, and that is not the case right now. There is no mention on their website that counters the announcement they made on their Facebook page and in the articles that are on the web. Saying he is not on the website, that is your own research and that is not usable. I’m not saying it’s the case, but the website might be outdated, there is no timestamp for sources like that either. Once again: I understand where you’re coming from and you might be right, but until the day we have a source that Johan is a session member, we will have to list him as an official member based on the announcements and sources we have at hand. That’s just how Wikipedia works:  you make statements and you add the sources. I discussed this in the Wikipedia Discord server and everyone seemed to agree with me too. LesRoutine (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I got their last album, in credits as BG are only Hansi, André, Marcus and Frederik, Johan is in mentioned in "Special thanks" part (unfortunately I can't paste photo of booklet here). Rdebiec (talk) 16:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Also on their patreon site are only Hansi, André, Marcus & Frederik  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdebiec (talk • contribs) 16:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again: you might be right and there is a good chance you are, but I think you are still not seeing the point. The point being, how Wikipedia works. Articles are built by making statements and providing a source for those statements. On this day we have multiple sources -including a Facebook post from the band themselves- claiming that Johan joined as their new bass player. So we used those sources to add Johan to the article as a bass player. None of those sources mention the fact that he is a session member or a touring member. So in order to move Johan from the band members to the session members in various places in the article, you will need to provide a source that states he is a session/touring member. All the rest you're mentioning is indicating you might be right, but it can't be used to alter the article  or as a reliable source because it is your own research. See Wikipedia:NOR. LesRoutine (talk) 17:59, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Oh of course the booklet is a reliable source, but it doesn't mention he is a session or touring member. What you're trying to do is the opposite of how Wikipedia works, using the lack of something to prove it. While there are sources that mention he is announced as their bassist, you have to counter that with a source saying he's not... Not by showing something where there is no mention about it at all. Might as well prove aliens exist because there's nothing in the booklet that says they don't... LesRoutine (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

text: you just don’t get it, do you? It’s very exhausting  LesRoutine (talk) 19:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band members