Talk:London Borough of Croydon

message: Is there anywhere else where this could go? Pafcool2 (talk) 18:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate chart taken off 

message: The image :Image:Cherryorchard.JPG is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here.  In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page.  Please check
:* That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
:* That this article is linked to from the image description page.
The following images also have this problem:
*:      Image:DH 91 Albatross - Fortuna - Croydon Airport 1939.jpg
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --22:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Cherryorchard.JPG

message: I believe I have found a copyright violation under the Education sub-heading on the article:
It seems to have been taken directly from the opening page of the website Croydon Playcare with a few changes to words. To be on the safe side I have deleted it and doubt that it is notable enough to go back on this page anyway. Pafcool2 (talk) 14:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation 

message: reason it will be removed is non-notable company (no article) and POV description. ninety:one 18:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you should say so when you are first doing it, so we know. What's so non-notable about an international company in a London borough? Dieter Simon (talk) 01:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And if there is a description which is in the company's favour just remove that part of it to make it factual. Dieter Simon (talk) 01:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: i didn't remove it! we can't list every company, international or not, on wikipedia. i'm sure there are many hundreds of international companies situated in LB of C, but we only mention the very notable ones. ninety:one 10:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

text: in comparison to the other companies mentioned, it shouldn't be here. it would be ok on the Economy of Croydon article. i think the economy section in this article goes into too much detail anyway, and most of it would be better moved to the economy article. ninety:one 20:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Digital International 

message: Shouldn't dubstep be mentioned in the culture section of the page? After all, dubstep was created there, and it is still one of the best sources of creativity in this music (primarily through Skream and Benga, both residents of Croydon, but also through other artists such as Breakage)?
188.26.163.195 (talk) 10:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubstep 

message: I'm beginning preparations for another GA Review. Beginning with a peer review. Nothing has been submitted yet - but I'm getting the article into order once again. So, in accordance with the GA Review back in 2007 and 2008, I have extended the lead section and have gotten rid of the lists of schools and additionally the bishops. Both can be found on their respective articles. Help on updating some information would be appreciated. Lots of the economic stuff is back form 2007, so check if there have been any reports since then.
Let's hope this time will be a winner! I'll update this section when any more info regarding a GA review comes to light. Thanks, Pafcool2 (talk) 23:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: I am not a Wikipedia editor so sorry if this comment is out of place.
According to london.gov.uk Barnet became London's most populous borough in 2009.
http://data.london.gov.uk/datastore/applications/population-estimates-1961-2009
This may have since changed but at a training course held by Croydon Council last week they referred to Croydon as the second most populated London borough. Please look into this and adjust if necessary. 188.222.127.231 (talk) 18:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Mid 2010 population estimates for London boroughs are here  It shows Barnet at 348,200 and Croydon at 345,600. They seem a bit confused putting Greenwich in Outer London and Haringey and Newham in Inner London though, or have I missed something? Lozleader (talk) 19:11, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: In the introductory article there is the following statement: "The borough has a long history which is based mainly around the economy of the area. The economic strength of Croydon dates back mainly to Croydon Airport which was a major factor in the development of Croydon as a business centre."
My comments are that it is true that Croydon has a long history and was, like any town or city, built on its economic strengths. The following sentence is however, pure twaddle! Croydon airport was in operation from around 1910 (I personally knew a worker there working in 1911) and its life ended in 1954 - a mere forty odd years. Croydon owes its economic strengths to a number of factors, none of which includes the aerodrome (as it was actually called contemporaneously). Croydon was a manor belonging to the Archbishops of Canterbury - that in itself would attract trade. The Church Street area, the original 'high street' developed because of the Archbishop's palace there. The recorded history of Croydon reaches back at least to the ninth century, when a Synod of the Church was held there - emphasizing the importance of that connection. 
The physical geography is the dominant factor - the town sits on the edge of the Wandle Valley and with the Southbourne they occupy the valley bottom that runs roughly north-south and which pierces the North Downs. Croydon, because of the Archbishops was granted fairs and markets making it for most of the history of Surrey the largest and most important town in Surrey after Southwark. The Parish Church was a Minster Church which meant that throughout the mediaeval period every parishioner of every subsidiary parish in the Archdeaconry - Merstham, Warlingham, Caterham, Shirley, Addington, and all the other places nearby, would come to Croydon to celebrate the great Holy Days of the Church calendar.
The parish of Croydon was large and it provided a great deal of potential for produce. The trade in Walnuts, the fruit and the wood, were huge for a very long period, as an example. The trade in clays, for bricks, in gravels and in other minerals were also quite large. 
Croydon was host to a canal which was served by two horse drawn railways, the first and third public railways in the country, indeed the world. The later one linked Merstham and Godstone (with their quarries) to the canal side near Reeves' Corner and the other linked from the same place to the Thames at Wandsworth (The Surrey Iron Railway). Church Road and Tamworth Road owe their existence to the line of tracks serving the old railways and West Croydon station was part of the canal. I remember as a boy in West Croydon digging up 'navvies' clay pipes alongside the old canal bed near Spurgeon's Bridge. These things were really active and for many years profitable transport services. Then came steam - the area that is the Borough of Croydon today boasted two dozen railway stations! 
I think what I am trying to illustrate is that the economic wealth of Croydon pre-dated the airport by many hundreds of years - the fact that the town boasted three department stores (Allder's, Grant's and Kennard's) speaks volumes for the relative prosperity of the town and all established before the aerodrome was even a possibility (that is before heavier than air flight had been achieved!).
Then there is the fact that the town was also host to such items as one of the two officer cadet training colleges for the Honorable East India Company. 
I have transcribed much of the 1871 census and have compared with the 1881 census, the population exploded around this time with, anecdotally, just 10% of the 1881 population being native Croydonians , and that includes a great number of children born to incomers in the previous decade. Croydon was becoming home to the commuting professionals of London - stock-brokers, solicitors and barristers, even the editor of the 'Sporting Life' lived here. Why not - perhaps it was the attraction of the riotous fairs on the old Fair Field? Perhaps the attraction of the races at Epsom or Woodside? Croydon's economic past is manifestly not based on a forty year episode late on in its very long history. It is based on its geographic position above the gap in the North Downs (the attraction of Brighton to the Prince regent would have been much less had the road through the downs not have existed)the fact of the manor being in the hands of an important person in the shape of the Archbishop (these were political figures as well as religious); that it was a large area that supported a range of potential economic outputs - minerals, wood, charcoal, cherries, walnuts, and the town also had the Minster Church. I have probably labored the point long enough. Moonraker55 (talk) 02:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economic History 

message: reading the article there are factual errors that ought to have been avoided. The 'original' Whitgift school, for example, was not demolished to make way for the Whitgift Centre. Part of the original Whitgift school ,a small affair, is still extant adjacent to the Hospital of the Holy Trinity in George Street. The school occupying the grand old school that was once pride of place behind North End and facing across the lawns and the railings onto Wellesley Road was the Whitgift Middle School that had occupied the buildings vacated by Whitgift School in the 1930s when they took over the old manorial estate of Haling Manor in South Croydon. This old school was not Tudor in origins! The Middle School removed to Shirley Park where their name was changed to the Trinity School of John Whitgift. However, between the occupation of the old school in George Street and the grand old school where the shopping centre now stands, there were other schools along the way. The immediate predecessor to the Middle School was on Church Road almost opposite the bottom of Scarbrook Hill.
There are other similar things that undermine the authenticity of the page as an authoritative statement of history.Moonraker55 (talk) 03:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Some old page history that used to be at the title "London Borough of Croydon" is now at Talk:London Borough of Croydon/Old history. Graham87 12:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old page history 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on London Borough of Croydon. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071119013713/http://mitchamcommon.org:80/about.html to http://www.mitchamcommon.org/about.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080509071055/http://news.independent.co.uk:80/uk/this_britain/article2184707.ece to http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2184707.ece/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070930042519/http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/print_maps/Nat_Rail_Passenger_Operators_2006.pdf to http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/print_maps/Nat_Rail_Passenger_Operators_2006.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070930210414/http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/strategies/waste/docs/wastestrat_all.pdf to http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/strategies/waste/docs/wastestrat_all.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070927225542/http://www.letsrecycle.com/info/localauth/news.jsp?story=6382 to http://www.letsrecycle.com/info/localauth/news.jsp?story=6382
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110724093117/http://www.tessajowell.net/?PageId=4bd1346c-8ec2-36f4-ed45-ba76a9cef35eschoolType=all to http://www.tessajowell.net/?PageId=4bd1346c-8ec2-36f4-ed45-ba76a9cef35eschoolType=all
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 21:33, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 22 external links on London Borough of Croydon. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100201000000/http://www.fairtrade.org.uk/get_involved/campaigns/fairtrade_towns/towns_list.aspx to http://www.fairtrade.org.uk/get_involved/campaigns/fairtrade_towns/towns_list.aspx
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.croydon.gov.uk/democracy/dande/elections/results/general
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.croydon.gov.uk/content/departments/570770/570872/wardmap.pdf
*Added archive http://www.webcitation.org/65eCD6Fra?url=http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/19712000/tmean/17.gif to http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/19712000/tmean/17.gif
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110605024000/http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/19712000/areal/england.html to http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/19712000/areal/england.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.croydon.gov.uk/content/departments/570770/570872/599193/ycjune07.pdf
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/IkeaNearYouView?storeId=7&catalogId=11001&langId=-20&StoreName=croydon
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100618210926/http://www.caci.co.uk/492.aspx to http://www.caci.co.uk/492.aspx
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071020003313/http://www.caci.co.uk/msd.asp?url=lsp-retailfootprint.htm to http://www.caci.co.uk/msd.asp?url=lsp-retailfootprint.htm
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.nestle.co.uk/AboutNestle/NestleLocations/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080511200118/http://www.grantscentrecroydon.co.uk/ to http://www.grantscentrecroydon.co.uk/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070928040121/http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=2413&NewsAreaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8 to http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=2413&NewsAreaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/archive/7741.aspx
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/downloads/primary_care_10_02.pdf
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.croydon.ac.uk/03a.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.tessajowell.net/?PageId=4bd1346c-8ec2-36f4-ed45-ba76a9cef35eschoolType%3Dall
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080101125313/http://www.eden.co.uk/churches/croydon/index.html to http://www.eden.co.uk/churches/croydon/index.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.croydon.gov.uk/leisure/sports/
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.croydon.gov.uk/content/departments/570801/570935/artstrategy05-08.pdf
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.croydonfestival.com/transport.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.abc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=nav%2Fabc&noc=y
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.abc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=nav%2Fabc&noc=y
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:30, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on London Borough of Croydon. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140628141612/http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/19712000/sites/greenwich.html to http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/19712000/sites/greenwich.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070927050051/http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/interactive/messageforum/view.php?threadid=829.com to http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/interactive/messageforum/view.php?threadid=829.com
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070927050051/http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/interactive/messageforum/view.php?threadid=829.com to http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/interactive/messageforum/view.php?threadid=829.com
*Added  tag to http://www.trinitymirrorsouthern.com/titledetails.cfm?parentid=4&groupid=26&titleid=70
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 11:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on London Borough of Croydon. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080404154856/http://www.croydonexpo.com/ to http://www.croydonexpo.com/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060216022116/http://www.londonpoolscampaign.com/discuss/msgReader%24806 to http://www.londonpoolscampaign.com/discuss/msgReader%24806
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:48, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 13 external links on London Borough of Croydon. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080715214204/http://www.croydonfestival.com/transport.html to http://www.croydonfestival.com/transport.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080706094554/http://www.forestdale.info/indexone.htm to http://www.forestdale.info/indexone.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20031104234739/http://www.millennium.gov.uk/cgi-site/awards.cgi?action=detail&id=38&t=2 to http://www.millennium.gov.uk/cgi-site/awards.cgi?action=detail&id=38&t=2
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071003103206/http://www.met.police.uk/croydon/index.htm to http://www.met.police.uk/croydon/index.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071213034326/https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/reports/lmp/la/2038431879/report.aspx to https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/reports/lmp/la/2038431879/report.aspx
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110807231806/http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/businessnews/businessnews/1526486.looking_out_for_no1/ to http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/businessnews/businessnews/1526486.looking_out_for_no1/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080512194455/http://www.real-digital.co.uk/modules/page/Page.aspx?pc=background&mid=16&pmid=3 to http://www.real-digital.co.uk/modules/page/Page.aspx?pc=background&mid=16&pmid=3
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080530154953/http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/about_us/media/Croydon.pdf to http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/about_us/media/Croydon.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071021025840/http://www.johnruskin.ac.uk/pages/au_icp.asp to http://www.johnruskin.ac.uk/pages/au_icp.asp
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070907013633/http://eduinfo.croydon.gov.uk/CMS/GUI/Bases/index.php?schoolType=all to http://eduinfo.croydon.gov.uk/CMS/GUI/Bases/index.php?schoolType=all
*Added archive http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20090102113554/http%3A//www.dcsf.gov.uk/cgi%2Dbin/performancetables/group_07.pl?Mode%3DZ%26Type%3DLA%26No%3D306%26Base%3Db%26F%3D1%26L%3D50%26Year%3D07%26Phase%3D1 to http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/cgi-bin/performancetables/group_07.pl?Mode=Z&Type=LA&No=306&Base=b&F=1&L=50&Year=07&Phase=1
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071118142941/http://www.croydon.gov.uk/leisure/parksandopenspaces/pksandops/pos to http://www.croydon.gov.uk/leisure/parksandopenspaces/pksandops/pos
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130517182818/http://allcroydoncars.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/croydonwardmap.jpg to http://allcroydoncars.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/croydonwardmap.jpg
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 13:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified