Talk:Sara Ramirez

message: I submitted it for review with the wiki editors.  If anyone has any knowledge of her site, please contribute: WT:WPSPAM 
Aruhnka (talk) 14:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Official Site" links to Trojan Horse Attack Activity

message: It's absolutely beautiful, but I strongly suspect we got it from TV.com and they got it from us; the Sara Ramirez and ABC/GA sites do not list this first name; can we get a cite here? --Baylink 02:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hearing nothing, I'm taking it out.  Someone please source it; I really want it to be true.  :-) --Baylink 23:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I want it to be true too! It's a WONDERFUL name. Of note, it's Dr. Calliope "Callie" Torres in both the Grey's Anatomy page and the List of characters from Grey's Anatomy page, with no citations that I can find on either. But I suppose it's not good enough to use an un-cited source as a source, huh? Meh. Please be Calliope. Weirdoactor 22:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it of any value that during episodes, the character's white doctor's smock is clearly and frequently seen embroidered with the words "Calliope Torres, M. D."? BusterD 01:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll see if I can get a screen capture as proof. If so, I'm adding it back in.Weirdoactor 02:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason I mention is that tonight's episode answered the question for me, and I follow this discussion. BusterD 03:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added! Weirdoactor 12:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, ditto on how lovely the name sounds (esp. when worn by Sara). We really need a nice image for the article. Now if the ABC/Disney folks will let the pretty lady SING... BusterD 20:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: For those keeping score, her name *finally* made the sound track, when it was a plot point in 3x13, Wishin and Hopin.  --Baylink 04:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Calliope"

message: Was Sara born in 1975 or 1976? Hotwine8 03:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthyear 

message: We need a legal/free use photo of her. Any ideas? Maybe something from her official site? Weirdoactor 18:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted a request for photo on her website, offering options for delivery, but encouraging her webmaster to upload the image directly to commons with appropriate CC licensing. I'm not expecting anything fast, but I suspect we could get a mid-to-low res image with permission, and that would be best for wp and Sara. BusterD 18:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great, Buster! Thanks! Weirdoactor 18:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# Support: My knee would jerk in favor of the move... were it not that I hear all her cow-orkers pronounce her first name in a *decidedly* uncommon way.  Further investigation seems warranted: *lots* of USAdian sources drop diacriticals, even in proper names.  --Baylink 04:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Support: My knee would jerk in favor of the move... were it not that I hear all her cow-orkers pronounce her first name in a *decidedly* uncommon way.  Further investigation seems warranted: *lots* of USAdian sources drop diacriticals, even in proper names.  --Baylink 04:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: # Oppose diacritics is a part of today's world. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 11:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: Last night, I moved the page back from Sara Ramírez to Sara Ramirez for the reasons outlined in the section above as those reasons are still valid five and a half years later.  It seems the page was indeed moved after this discussion, but was moved back six months later and no one noticed.  IMO, nothing has changed to invalidate the original consensus.  Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:41, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Move 

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thread_title:  Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion 

message: I sometimes use "they" as a way of avoiding gender specification. The lead is peppered with "they"s, I don't know why. Is she a transexual? Doesn't like being called "she"? I can't find any reason to not use "she", so I'll make a few edits as billyshiverstick and fix this. Correct if you need to, but explain on the talk page please, if you do. 2605:8D80:4C0:19C1:3C84:A1E2:3057:F3AD (talk) 04:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Ramirez recently came out as gender non-binary and has stated a preference for they or she pronouns. No opinion on which should be used but that is why editors have been using they. Rab V (talk) 06:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If she stated that the she prefers "she/they pronouns", why are the editor forcing for "they"? I know it's a sensible issue, but this sounds like pressing on terms. --62.11.252.219 (talk) 10:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  They??? 

message: This is a biography of a living person, so doing no harm to the biographical subject is something which might well concern us. However, merely following the subject's wishes in a BLP is not normally the preferred strategy. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity tells us how wikipedians' consensus on this issue has evolved to this time to be sensitive to subject preference on this issue of pronouns. FTR I have been a minor contributor on this page since 2006, when the subject's gender identity was not much of an issue. This has clearly changed. Over time I have seen claims the subject prefers she/they pronouns; I see claims the subject prefers they/them pronouns. I don't know much about the issue myself. I do see a lot of unnecessary back and forth in pagespace. Not a good sign on a GA. Today we saw three weeks of semi-protection applied; I'm wondering if this "quiet" is an opportunity to hash these matters out, establish a clear consensus, and develop a long-term strategy to avoid this noise in the future, whether a form of protection, a reader-hidden message, improved talk-page instruction. I'm not sure the well-intended LGBT+ talk notice above has clarified anything to the passing reader who thinks the pronoun style looks odd. (I'm a long-time contributor and I think it reads terribly, almost begging "anyone can edit" to do so.) Anyone interested in stabilizing this? BusterD (talk) 21:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for opening up the discussion, . Unfortunately, this kind of pronoun warring is fairly common on articles about trans and non-binary people. I am not sure what interventions, short of protection, would suffice to stem the tide. For the record, I'm the one that requested temporary semi-protection. Firefangledfeathers 22:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have again semi-protected the page, this time for a month. Since this is NOT a highly edited page, perhaps we should consider pending changes... BusterD (talk) 10:24, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I think PC is a great idea, as we did get some productive IP edits during the interregnum. If you make it so, could you include a bit about pronoun changes in the protection summary for PC reviewers to see? Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 13:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  This disagreement on preference of they/them pronouns has led to page protection today 

message: Can someone update the main photo to a more current one?  There are many pictures out now of them in their undercut and new fashion style and I think it would be more respectful to showcase that rather than one from 2008.164.47.76.50 (talk) 21:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Photo