Talk:H

message: T(h)ee and Thron are no native German words. Thron is a loan from Ancient Greek and Tee is a loan from Malay. 84.193.165.47 16:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: In Australia, the 'haitch' is generally considered incorrect; however, it is not uncommon and is predominant among the less educated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c1NJQ0UP_Q
:Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's true. Why don't you add it to the article? - Joshua 368 19:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Aussie here... aitch is the correct pronunciation, but it is not uncommon to hear haitch... regardless of socioeconomic group.210.23.151.140 (talk) 00:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Having worked in a call center that connected with British Indians or Indians who regularly did business selling to British people, I can tell you they universally pronounce it "ah-sh," as the French do.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 23:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: From the article:
:Hotel represents the letter H in the NATO phonetic alphabet. To ensure compatibility with those languages that do not pronounce this letter, this word is officially pronounced with the letter H silent. 
I didn't see any reference to that in the NATO phonetic alphabet article; on the contrary, unless I'm interpreting the pronunciation information incorrectly, it indicates that, at least in those dialects for which pronunciation is given, the H is pronounced. 
I'm planning on removing that from the article unless some confirmation of this can be given. --Cotoco 08:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not that unusual in England to hear "an hotel" or "an historic event" with the H pronounced, actually; I've heard both used by newsreaders on BBC TV in the last few months. 86.132.138.18 22:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hotel with silent H 

message: for the anon censoring words: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors Sasquatcht|c 05:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censoring... 

message: According to this page, 
:It is often assumed that the pronunciation  is a result of h-dropping, but in fact the original name of the letter was ; this became  in Latin, passed into English via Old French , and by Middle English was pronounced . The pronunciation  is a hypercorrection formed by analogy with the names of the other letters of the alphabet, most of which include the sound they represent.
And yet according to all my resources (including the American Heritage Dictionary® of the English Language), the letter was spelled as haca or hic in Latin, implying that the adition of an H to aitch is logical (albeit unnecessary). The only sense I can see in this paragraph is the notion that H goes unpronounced in Latin. However, since no one actually knows how Latin was pronounced back in its day, it seems that this is incoclusive evidence that the author has presented as fact.
:The OED gives the /aha/ theory.  Perhaps we need to mention the AHD theory as well: is there any source that compares and evaluates both theories?  BTW people can make a pretty fair stab at reconstructing historic pronunciations. Joestynes 11:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the pronunciation in later Latin [aka] is evident. Just look at its name in some Romance languages: Spanish HACHE, French HACHE, Catalan HAC, Portuguese AGÁ, Italian ACCA. According to the regular phonetic evolution, all these forms prove that it was called HACA in Latin. Let's see some more details: 1. Spanish HACHE. The Spanish form is from French, and in French, palatalization of Latin [k] is normal in words before A, like CHANTER [San'te](to sing), Spanish CANTAR, Italian and Latin CANTARE. 2. Catalan HAC. Catalan language lost the last vowel of Latin words ending in a vowel, and kept the original consonant at the end of the words (between vowels it became voiced). 3. Portuguese AGÁ. It's just a normal phonetics evolution in Portuguese which proves that in Latin there was a single C between vowels which became voiced in Portuguese. 4. Italian ACCA. In Italian, it is very characteristic to double single Latin unvoiced consonants between vowels: AQUA ['akwa] > Italian ACQUA ['ak:wa]. That's all. Zoltan 21:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the Letter 

message: "Romanian later re-borrowed the /h/ phoneme from its neighbouring Slavic languages"
The problem here is, neighbouring Slavic language don't have /h/. Romanian uses /h/ where /x/ is used in Slavic languages. How Romanians borrowed /x/ as /h/ is beyond me. --82.139.47.117 22:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: /x/ and /h/ are, in a manner, the same sound, with the difference that the first one is stronger than the second. That said, I wouldn't hold it impossible that Romanians speak an /x/ or at least something in between /h/ and /x/ where they write h.--2001:A61:260C:C01:F163:269A:CDA9:3599 (talk) 19:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanian /h/ 

message: Someone should create H (disambiguation) - there are already four other definitions tacked on the top of this article. Mo-Al 01:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambig. 

message: Hi, 
I recently saw a documentary about Jimi Hendrix, featureing statements by his former road manager whose Name is given as "H" in the captions. Should he be included or does anybody have any info on that guy?
--Cancun771 10:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hendrix Road Manager?

message: There are several languages that have voiced H. Examples include Czech, Slovak, Sorbian (either Lower or Upper, i can't remember now), Ukrainian, Hungarian and Finnish. Ideas, anyone? Jancikotuc 18:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's not always voiceless. 

message: From my experience, the h aspiré is sometimes pronounced. The French are perfectly capable of making the sound when not at the front of a word, though it is usually blended (ex. chanteur). Anyway, I've heard it used and said at the beginning of a word, usually in borrowed words like le hamburger. Should this info be added? 69.81.181.107 (talk) 06:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  H aspiré  

message: The section on Spanish, among other places, seems to be conflating the letter <h> and the sound /h/, not necessarily spelled with the previous. Yet, this article should only be about the letter, right? Some cleanup would not hurt. --Tropylium (talk) 06:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthography vs. phonetics 

message: "Following a vowel, it often silently indicates that the vowel is long: In the word erhöhen "heighten", only the first <h> represents /h/."
I'm sorry, but the given example is completely wrong. The second h only disappears in colloquial German due to a very fast pronunciation. So the word becomes "erhöen". You might compare it to "kind of" which becomes "kind'a"  in some colloquial English dialects. In a clear speach, the word will always be pronounced "erhöhen", both times the letter h can be clearly heard. 
Good examples would be the words: "Hohn", "hohl", "Bohne", "Bahn", .... 
Here, the h indicates that the vowel is long.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.159.56 (talk) 16:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if this section dates back to 2008, I would like to take the question up again. You can easily look up words like "Höhe" or "Nähe" or "sehen" in any German pronouncing dictionary and find that indeed the <h> between the two vowels is mute. It does not represent /h/, but lengthens the vowel. I have often heard speaker pronounce this <h>, but these are non-standard spelling pronunciations, hypercorrections. Yupanqui (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage in German 

message: I've been watching this page for a while, and there's persistent random anonymous vandalism. A B C and probably a few other alphabet articles are semi-protected alreddy. Would it not be justified wider? --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 12:51, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: Is it worth mentioning that "herb" functions differently than the other examples of "silent initial h"s? I've had this discussion before and it ended with no conclusion, but it is at least uncontrovercial that in most of the "silent initial h" words, the h and all traces of it have been removed, whereas with "herb" there is still some trace of it's pronunciation, as is shown with the pronunciation of American "an herb", which forces a glottal stop before the vowel, while all other instances (that I can think of) lack this stop. 124.154.253.25 (talk) 06:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay a bit dated but herb's not a silent word. It's Her-ba not Urb so a herb is correct. ~  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.25.1.208 (talk) 03:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  honor and other examples vs. american "herb" 

message: In the article, it gives "hoje" as the spanish word for today, which it isn't. I would change it to "hoy" but I have no clue how to write the ipa squigglies for it, so I'd rather someone else did it. Thanks. 143.215.110.11 (talk) 19:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "hoje" is Portuguese, not Spanish. Anomie⚔ 22:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish Example

message: Isn't the naval flag also a blue circle with a yellow background? In Britain anyway. 89.241.150.117 (talk) 09:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval Flag 

message: For those of us who can't immediately guess: what is the "one native English word" in which ⟨ch⟩ represents /x/? —Tamfang (talk) 20:55, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it's Loch Ness. --Majesticus12 (talk) 01:37, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Loch" is a borrowing from Scottish Gaelic. Rotcaeroib (talk) 20:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  one English word 

message: Tate Donovan does provited the voice for the letter H in Disney's thirty-fifth animated motion picture Hercules.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.198.171 (talk) 22:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice of the letter H 

message: Per WP:LEAD, lead should be "an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects... able to stand alone as a concise overview" While the sentence  certainly does not fulfill those criteria, an additional minor quibble how its name its pronounced in various corners of English-speaking word certainly does not qualify as a "most important aspect". It is already covered in the body of the article, no need to stress it in the lead. The lead should be tagged with , or, better still, expanded with proper history, role and pronunciation summary. Until then, however, the "haitch" sentence just stands out as a Wikipedia:Lead fixation, so I'm going to re-remove it. No such user (talk) 16:13, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: The lead

message: Most of this article is unsourced, so I have tagged it as such. In the meantime, I will look for sources. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:31, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of sources 

message: In the IPA section of the use of "H", it mentions 'thrills' instead of 'trills'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.228.103.48 (talk) 10:54, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  thrill vs. trill 

message: 160.90.9.138 (talk) 21:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. LinguistunEinsuno 22:13, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2017 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I wish to add more information to the more recent history of this letter. H lord (talk) 17:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2018 

message: {{H in Pop Culture}
""Pop culture"" H has recently seen a spike of use within pop culture on such sites as reddit, 4chan and 9gag. These various sites use H as a placeholder for a simple response they otherwise would use. Although no defined meaning has been determined it's used more as a comical, or placeholder in a sentence; for example "Ain't nothin' to it, H made me do it". It's meant to show that the user has no logical response too what the receiver is saying or it's used as unintelligible banter.  Hendersoniahd (talk) 11:38, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a reference supporting this information? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the letter H in pop culture 

message: 116.58.205.207 (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Danski454 (talk) 18:07, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2018 

message: In some articles about letters of the Latin alphabet (such as H and V), I have seen "Alphabet ic" as a type of letter. I am just wondering what "Alphabet ic" means or what the "ic" in "Alphabet ic" stands for. Sam Hnri (talk) 16:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does "Alphabet ic" mean? 

message: 213.127.39.12 (talk) 16:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DBigXrayᗙ 16:42, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2018 

message: Cyrillic И is derived from Greek eta, so it is a sister of Latin H, but it is not mentioned in this article. 178.46.114.143 (talk) 20:02, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyrillic И 

message: "often as an allophone of otherwise voiceless /h/ in a voiced environment. " This is untrue, H is voiced by default, and may in fact be devocied into [x].--2A00:1028:83D4:BAAA:D0D2:6CEA:2E2F:E879 (talk) 10:48, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech, Slovek etc. 

message: Can somebody who knows how to do it, remove the "8" from the "Sisters" area of the information box?
Sincerely,   UniformMilk,  AKA "The Textifier" UniformMilk192 (talk) 21:01, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  somebody 

message: The article states: 'H is the eighth most frequently used letter in the English language (after S, N, I, O, A, T, and E), with a frequency of about 4.2% in words.', but on the page it cites it appears 9th, with 6.094%.  Also, the list of prior letters are listed in ascending order of frequency - would it make sense for this to be descending, so the most frequent letter appears first in the list?
To fix these issues, I suggest changing this sentence to read:
H is the ninth most frequently used letter in the English language (after E, T, A, R, I, O, N, and S), with a frequency of about 6.1% in words. 203.171.51.146 (talk) 23:44, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. (I think Letter frequency needs clearer citations too.)  GoingBatty (talk) 00:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2020 

message: Please move the dictionary.com citation up (or remove it), since it does not mention the h-adding pronunciation.
 78.149.76.158 (talk) 07:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . It does say / eɪtʃ / for the IPA. No harm in it being there. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2020 

message: Supplementing extensive discusson of the loss of the h sound in other languages and its use in digraphs like ch, someone who understands its history should say how it came to usually represent, in modern English, the voiceless glottal fricative similar to its original Semitic and Greek sounds.CharlesHBennett (talk) 15:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern English /h/ 

message: The letter H is not derived of the Aramaic letter Het. It is derived of the Greek letter which is derived of the Phoenician alphabet directly. Do you see the similarity between the Phoenician Heth and the Greek Heta? Aramaic is somehow in between the two even though Greek is directly derived of Phoenician. Crenshire (talk) 19:22, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  H ancestors