Talk:Aryanization

message: I think the disambiguation should refer to the specific relevant article. In indology the term "Ayanization" means process of the expansion of Vedic/Brahminical culture over India. There is a problem, which is that the "I-A M" article barely addresses this issue because it is so locked into the "pro and con" mode of argument, so there is no clear historical account of the history of the spread of Vedic ideas across the subcontinent. If any better article to link to exists then add it, but I think the disambiguation page would just be confusing. Paul B 15:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

message: The article is completely without sources/citations. It mixed up several related but clearly distinct phenomena. Thus I cut from the text two subsections that do not relate well to the main meaning: 
===Non-Jews===
Aryanisation primarily affected Jews, since they often held influential professional positions from which the Nazis wished to "purge" them. However, laws against intermarriage between Aryans and non-Aryans also affected the small black and mixed race population of Germany, as well as Slavic people (i.e. ethnic Poles, Silesians, Czechs, Slovaks, Sorbians and so on) who were also considered to be "sub-human" by the Nazis. The Roma (Gypsies) provided a problem since they were technically Aryan (as native speakers of an Indo-Aryan language), but were deemed by the Nazis to be an "alien" race or non-European, and were "racially tainted". After a period of ambiguity, Roma were treated as "non-Aryan".
===Nordicizing conquered peoples===
After the occupation of Czechoslovakia and the invasion of Poland, the Nazis were keen to "improve" the racial make-up of those areas that were intended to form a permanent part of the Greater Germany. People were judged according to Nordicist (cf. Nordic race) ideals of racial identity. Those who conformed to this ideal were more likely to be Germanised than those who did not. This process is sometimes referred to as "Aryanisation", though strictly speaking this is a misnomer, since Czechs, Slovaks, and Poles were categorised as Aryan.
Best regards, --Trinitrix (talk) 18:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aryanization is not Germanization  

message: After the occupation of Czechoslovakia and the invasion of Poland, the Nazis were keen to "improve" the racial make-up of those areas that were intended to form a permanent part of the Greater Germany. People were judged according to Nordicist (cf. Nordic race) ideals of racial identity. Those who conformed to this ideal were more likely to be Germanised than those who did not. This process is sometimes referred to as "Aryanisation", though strictly speaking this is a misnomer, since Czechs, Slovaks, and Poles were categorised as Aryan.
Best regards, --Trinitrix (talk) 18:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nordicizing conquered peoples

message: This bit of the article is unnecessary and the Nazis never spoke of "Aryanization" of Slavs when Slavs were already regarded as Aryans by them.--Battersy Dogs Homes (talk) 10:02, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your view is not supported by the cited reference. I have restored the text you removed. Binksternet (talk) 16:39, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

text: If you wish to modify what is written in the article, add new text supported by citations to WP:Reliable sources. Do not remove change what the existing sources say. Binksternet (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aryanization of Slavs removal 

message: The text for Slavs is not cited and is irrelevant to this topic as there is no mention of Aryanization of Slavs. Unless someone can provide a cited source then it should stay removed as the source at present mentions Germanization of some Slavs that were classified as being of Germanic descent. Please check source.--82.132.237.198 (talk) 11:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see, this has been discussed, consensus is against you, move on.  Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:30, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  This IP is likely another sock of User:English Patriot Man. -- Diannaa (talk) 13:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavs 

message: It appears the blocked sockpuppet that earlier requested the removal of the text seems to have a point, the Aryanization of Slavs text in the article is not supported by the source, the Europe at War 1939-1945: No Simple Victory simply talks about the Nazi racial hierarchy and other parts of Nazi ideology but no results are found of the word 'Aryanization' or the alternative 'Aryanisation'.
Aryanization was about the removal of non-Aryans from the business life of Germany, etc. The article in other languages does not mention Slavs.
I am going to remove this text from the article because the source given does not verify it.--Windows66 (talk) 14:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: records of "Aryanization" of Jewish and Polish property  Not all Slavs were robbed, some nations were Nazi allies and Soviet poeple had been robbed by the Soviets. Xx236 (talk) 12:15, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of paragraph/text 

message: Presently this article appears to be about the expulsion of non-Aryans... however I noticed Mischling#Reclassification_procedures uses it this way:
:Requests for reclassification (e.g., Jew to Mischling of 1st degree, Mischling of 1st degree to 2nd degree, etc. ) or Aryanization (see German Blood Certificate) were personally reviewed by Adolf Hitler. A reclassification approved by the Nazi party chancery and Hitler was considered an act of grace (Gnadenakt).
So it seems there is a secondary meaning in regard to change of classification from less-Aryan to more-Aryan (J to M1, M1 to M2) ? ScratchMarshall (talk) 09:03, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate usage

message: There appears to be some conflicting sources regarding how many jew owned businesses there were. The intro states that there were 100k at some unspecified time before 1933, and that only 30k existed in 1938. But later on its said that in 1933 there were 50k stores, and that only 9k made it to 1938. Is it merely a word choice (business v. Store) issue that requires better definitions or do the sources conflict with each other?
CaptainEek (talk) 07:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, let's clear up this problem about "jew owned businesses". Beyond My Ken (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Jew Owned Businesses 

message: I've removed the expression "de-Jew the economy" from the lead (double-quoted, but without attribution) which was added in this edit by indeffed sock  in 2011.  I can imagine this being a legit expression translated perhaps from something like Wirtschaftentjudenisierung, so I'm not saying it's definitely made up, but it's in the lead and double-quoted as if it's a quotation from somewhere, but it doesn't appear in the body, and it's unsourced. The double-quoted English search query "de-Jew the economy" appears to yield only Wikipedia mirrors and a book or two that are more recent and use suspiciously similar language. Per page stats, Bossanoven wrote 13% of the article, much of it unsourced, so all of  contributions at the article may have to be double-checked for verifiability. Pinging top article editors  just fyi. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 05:05, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a matter of judgment. "Entjudung der Wirtschaft" is at times used in official Nazi documents (e.g., here). The term "Entjudung" itself has had different meanings. Less euphemistic than Aryanization, also "de-jew"/"de-jewification" is nazi terminology. I think it is appropriate to mention the term in the main text. For the intro, it unnecessarily normalizes nazi terminology even if in quotation marks. All the best, --Trinitrix (talk) 12:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by indeffed sock need verification 

message: While I have no reference, I recall reading of Jews pressured to sell, for example, homes, in areas that had a strong nazi presence before the aryanization became official policy. Not sure if this should be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrm2007 (talk • contribs) 12:11, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Predates 1933?