Talk:Club music

message: Google US: "Club music" - 2.6 million hits, and off the first page alone, most don't refer to it as musical genre
Google US: "Dance music" - 22 million
Google US: "Disco music" - 925K hits
Google US: "Techno music" - 1.77 million
Google US: "Drum and bass" - 4.848 million
If a term made the rest of these "obsolete", you'd expect it to outweigh them in results, wouldn't you? Not counting for the ever regular mishits, Techno and the itself archaic, except when referring to a specific 1970/80s musical style term Disco get more hits than it.
The term isn't in regular use by any DJs of my acquaintance, be they club, nightclub or even wedding/event. This covers a nice wide range of countries (Ireland, the UK, Holland and the east coast of the US). It most certainly hasn't made the actually descriptive terms for specific genres obsolete with its strange unification of only electronic dance music - which in this day and age makes up as little as 20 to 30% of many DJs output, due to the rise in R&B, Urban and Hip Hop. --Kiand 23:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And you're claiming that "club music" has obsoleted terms such as Drum & Bass, which still outweigh it by close to 100%, as well as the, what, ten other genres you're claiming it has "obsoleted" the name of. Its a neologism. The majority of the Google hits for it are for entirely different topics - 3 of the first 10 appear to use it in that usage, compared to ten of ten for "drum and bass". --Kiand 20:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Google Test numbers 

message: As an extension of this, I decided to see where the term "club music" is used in the EDM industry. Barring some limited forum posts and one use of it as a search keyword, I got this:
Record labels:
*Defected Records - not used
*Skint Records - used as a search keyword
*Ministry of Sound - not used
*Perfecto Records - used once
DJs:
*Paul van Dyk - not used
*Paul Oakenfold - not used
*DJ Tiesto - not used
*Mauro Picotto - not used
Dance Music Television:
*Rapture TV - not used
*MTV Dance (in fact, MTV UK and Ireland in general) - not used
Dance Music Radio:
*Ministry of Sound - as record labe (not used)
Dance Music Promotion:
*Meganite - as Mauro Picotto (not used)
Nightclubs:
*Spirit Dublin - not used
*The Place of Dance (POD) - not used. 
Dance Music Magazines:
*Mixmag - not used
This is heavily Irish biased, as well as towards commercial dance music, but particularly with the record labels and clubs in there, it levels off. And its been used once, and about twenty times by forum posters. Is there any way to say that its "obsoleted" another term when its just not in use? --Kiand 21:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage on industry websites

message: This now uses "Music for nightclubs" as the first term... this gets a stonkin' 112 Google hits. And none seem to be anything other than context-ripped sections of sentances. Its not even worth trying to find out if anyone actually in the industry uses it, as its clearly another neologistic term. --Kiand 01:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New intro

message: I've merged the articles. Well, actually, theres nothing here thats not covered already, and far more accurately, in the Electronic dance article, so I've just redirected here to there, especially as it is the established term and this is... not an established term. I can't see there being many complaints. --Kiand 03:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its night time in Europe and the East coast of the USA, thats all. Even when a full day has rolled around, I think we've seen our single complaint. --Kiand 03:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge notice

message: I don't go to nightclubs, and listen to very little of the music that is played there.  I don't know how the terms y'all are discussing are used, beyond some vague ideas based on my own experiences.  The only way to solve this problem is to cite sources to support claims about how words are used.  Wikipedia should not be promoting unused terminology, nor giving new meanings to established terminology.  It is also not really enough to point to individual pages on the web where a term is used -- someone needs to cite a source where a reputable, knowledgeable person writes "the term electronic dance music refers to...".  Anything else is pointless arguing, because whatever the result is will be removed and replaced by the first person to cite sources. It looks like few, if any, of the involved genres cite any references at all, so I'm not taking a position on what to do -- all articles without references are unacceptable and in violation of Wikipedia policy. Tuf-Kat 22:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite sources