Talk:Kevin Myers

message: Does anybody have a source for the alleged comments made on NewsTalk and the alleged lawsuit under Incitement to Hatred being brought in that case? There are sources for the first paragraph, but we have to verify any allegations made if true and delete untrue ones, as per Wikipedia:BLP. Autarch (talk) 12:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed that para just now.  Per WP:BLP, and as its unsourced and speculative "a resident... is to make a complaint...".  As and when s/he has done so, its been investigated and the oucome reported in the news or an annual report, it can be included, but until then, I don't think so. BastunBaStun not BaTsun 14:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Saintpadraig.  I've reverted your edit again.  I'm absolutely assuming good faith here - although I've no doubt Myers did make the remarks you claim - including them would be a breach of a couple of policies - namely WP:BLP, WP:V and WP:COI.  Assuming the Gardaí were to act on your complaint and that the outcome was reported, then someone else, other than you, could include it.  If Newstalk has a podcast link to the segment in question, then you could include the first part of the deleted paragraph if you include that link as a source. Regards, BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged Hate Speeches

message: Hi, 
The citation given for the deleted paragraph does not support the claim that Myers is homophobic. It was a newspaper column by the subject of this article, which was about political correctness in the press and society. For it to support such a claim, he would actually have to say outright, "I am homophobic" - which he clearly did not. It is not enough for an wikipedia editor to read an article, and find that it is self-evidently biased in one way or another.
This is a WP:BLP, one cannot read a writer's articles, dislike the content and then write on wikipedia that that man is "homophobic" - itself a libellous and outrageous claim. As per WP:Sources, to state that he is homophobic here one must have multiple, reliable, non-partisan sources. 
Thank you Ktlynch (talk) 21:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Homophobia" 

message: Could contributors to the article please provide sources for their claims, as per WP:BLP.Autarch (talk) 20:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:BLP 

message: Myers is referred to as Colonel Myarse or Kevin Myarse reguarly in the Phoenix. I find it odd that this was removed given the fact that on the Peter Carter-Ruck article it mentions the fact that he was referred to as "Carter-Fuck" or "Farter-Fuck" by Private Eye magazine.ĵ
Exiledone (talk) 15:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Juvenile and puerile humour, or repeating of same, is not appropriate here. Snappy (talk) 17:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well put. Ceoil 17:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're not exactly answering my point given the fact that the Peter Carter Ruck article mentions he was referred to as "Carter-Fuck" of "Farter-Fuck", which I think would be considered more "Juvenile and puerile" than "Colonel Myarse".
Can we just mention the fact that he is a fairly regular target of satire.
Exiledone (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Do you have a source for that? Obviously other than the Phoenix. Please be aware of WP:BLP. Snappy (talk) 14:48, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No way are we going down the Farter-Fuck route. But given he is a professional controversialist, and earns money that way, I'd mention satire, but not repeat it. Ceoil 15:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, and just because other crap exists does not mean it is to be repeated elsewhere. Snappy (talk) 00:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only does other crap exist, but its a constant fight to keep it out. Explaining basic decency to idiots. Ceoil 00:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Dont refer to me as an idiot Ceoil. Also if you want to explain basic decency to idiots my advice is to explain it to the subject of the article.
Exiledone (talk) 12:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I have struck your personal opinion of the living subject of the article - please be aware WP:BLP applies to talk pages just as much as the article space and that the talkpages of living subjects in not a place for you to vocalize your dislike or opinions about the subject. Off2riorob (talk) 16:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kevin Myers and The Phoenix

message: Does WP:BLP apply to past edits - specifically edits that would be legally actionable? In other words, would WP:BLP mean that defamatory edits need to be purged from the history of an article?Autarch (talk) 00:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question regarding WP:BLP 

message: It's extraordinary that this has been removed from this page, given its role in his infamy and ultimate departure from The Irish Times. Also, his very controversial views of Bloody Sunday, travellers, Irish  and Irish nationalists have also been sources of the same infamy. This article seems to have whitewashed them all, leaving readers without a full appreciation of the sheer genius that is Sir Kevin Myers, the ultimate supertroll. 93.107.2.255 (talk) 10:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Bastards" controversy

message: Hi,
I'm Mark Tighe from The Sunday Times. Kevin Myers would like where he lives deleted from this page. He has concerns about his personal safety and would prefer if the exact town he lives in was not on this page. The fact that he lives in Co Kildare should be specific enough without causing him his current concern.
Mark
mark.tighe@sunday-times.ie
Toffeeman34 (talk) 13:05, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Mark, thats removed now. Ceoil (talk) 13:50, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2015 

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message: Kevin Myers is primarily known in Ireland as a West Brit "contrarian" journalist, who is one of a number of almost exclusively Dublin/Pale-based public figures who have built up a cottage industry of denigrating traditional Irish (read: Gaelic) culture, language and Irish republican politics. I am surprised that there is absolutely no mention of this at all in the article (probably because his Anglomania in this area is seen as highly mature among Dublin 4 types and the reason for his employment at a number of newspapers over the years). 
Compared to his anti-Irishness, his anti-Jewishness pales in comparison (he has literally gone as far as to state that the surviving Irish population are "genetically" defective). And in fact he has sometimes taken some positions which are generally unpopular in Ireland, relating to supporting Israeli military actions (he does this mostly to annoy republicans who support Palestine). I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth and if the West Brit crowd are willing to throw one of their Gael-bashing propagandists under the horse for anti-semitism, then that serves a purpose, but the article does seem somewhat slanted to certain ideas, while completely excluding other (arguably more notable) ones. Claíomh Solais (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The article currently reflects the third party reliable sources that have been provided. Personally, I think his sexism could do with more attention, since that is just as blatant, if not more so, than his antisemitism - but the sources have primarily focussed on his antisemitism so that's what the article has to reflect. Do you have any reliable sources talking about him being anti-Irish? Marianna251TALK 20:42, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've linked in some examples into the above text. It is pretty blatant and a running theme in his works. Claíomh Solais (talk) 22:02, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are all primary sources, written by Myers himself, not reliable third party sources. Adding something about "West Brit Anglomania" to the article based on these would be WP:OR. Marianna251TALK 22:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overplaying the Anti-Semitic card, underplaying West Brit Anglomania 

message: Hello. I'm not sure if these warrant mentioning in the article, but it may be relevant that Myers has written several articles for the highly controversial Breitbart website: 
Myers also supported the Second Gulf War, and criticized Irish people who opposed that war: 
"So no rejoicing from them that freedom has come to the people of Iraq, courtesy of the greatest democracies in the world".
(Kevin Myers, "An Irishman's Diary", The Irish Times, April 11, 2003,  ).
And in an interview with "Newstalk", Myers said about Donald Trump "He's deplorable, but most politicians are. I don't know if I'd have been able to stomach a Clinton presidency, so maybe Trump is a deplorable character that [sic] be a better President.' . 176.61.15.11 (talk) 22:31, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotta appreciate the Karma here! One of the "causes" he championed in the Irish Times was the excoriation of Francis Stuart for his anti-semitism (though personally I suspect it was Stuart's Irish Republican background was the real reason). That his career as a mainstream columnist ended amid allegations of holocaust denial fills one with schadenfreude...:) Sarah777 (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Myers' other opinions 

message: I am suggesting that as Kevin is subject to abuse that instead of English born. . Kevin is an Irish journalist who was born in the UK. 2A02:8084:D03:8580:4CFC:F10F:2FBA:D684 (talk) 17:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2022 

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