Talk:Indiana Jones (character)

message: I have finally created a WikiProject for Indiana Jones! Check it out. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C  20:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New WikiProject Open! 

message: I think that somewhere I heard that Indy had a daughter, is this true?  Emperor001 (talk) 01:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's not confirmed. But if he did, there are rumors of Natalie Portman playing her. talk 23:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Next time, use the Reference desk :) Yes, Indy has a daughter in the television series, which was left out of the videos and DVDs once Lucas re-edited the episodes into chronological "films". Alientraveller (talk) 23:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Daughter

message: I find it infuriating that even this long after the start of the character, people are still changing the WP:LEAD to add irrelevant detail and changing the format. There is no reason why it should not be perfectly stable by now. Accordingly, I've changed it to a version that is supported by major sources. If anyone thinks the name of the character should be more completely specified, please say so here, and we can discuss consensus. --Rodhullandemu 22:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the difficult thing is that people want to add Colonel, which I can sympathise with as Indiana served in both World Wars, on and off the field. How does it go, Col Dr., Col. (Dr.)? Colonel-Doctor? Alientraveller (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whilst I remain open to argument, I don't see it as a major or necessary addition, certainly not in the lead. It doesn't define him, it's a piece of back-history which was added later in his fictional historiography. It is arguably dealt with appropriately in the articles in which it's a relevant feature, IMO. Overall, although I'm only familiar with the movies, it's not a great issue to me; the whole point I detect in the character is that he is (a) an adventurer and supporter of "good values" (b) while otherwise being an otherwise pedestrian college lecturer (much like myself). His Army service, unless some point is made of it, for example in Indiana Jones and the 1917-18 war or Indiana Jones and the 1941-45 war, is detail. --Rodhullandemu 23:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the films he is referred to as "Dr. Jones" from time to time. How often has anyone called him "Col. Jones"? Not often, that I can think of. Or maybe never. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thinking about it, he holds various titles and aliases in The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, so "Dr." is the only encaspulating description as that was his title for most of his life. He's generally retired from the military until they pull him back in. Alientraveller (talk) 23:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. As to the question of "Col.-Dr." vs. "Dr.-Col." I would say that he has a permanent title of "Dr." whereas his title of "Col." only really matters while he is serving in the military - which he isn't in the films, as I recall. As a comparison, I recall Ed McMahon talking once about having been an Air Force Colonel in WWII. How often did Johnny Carson ever call him "Colonel"? Not often, if ever. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest we go with common usage. WP:UNDUE, although not directly in point, suggests we should not over-emphasise minority points of view. Accordingly, since not much is made of Jones' military rank throughout the franchise, it should not be unduly emphasised here, and I reiterate my suggestion that it can be mentioned, FWIW, in articles dealing with its relevance, but is overall of minor importance. --Rodhullandemu 23:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I discussed it with the members of WikiProject Indiana Jones via email, and they said it should stay. So leave "Indy" in the infobox. Unquote. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C  05:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name in the lead 

message: The films consistently identify Jones Jr. as a professor of archeology, and never as a professor of history.  And what does this have anything to do with the Tudor's or the English Civil War? Slrubenstein   |  Talk 22:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: File this one under me needing a break.  Sometimes you click 'undo' instead of 'diff' and mistake your own edit for someone else's. How embarassing. :D Alientraveller (talk) 22:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

text: A strange allusion. Given that history finished at latest yesterday, I would think archeology would be much more to the point. At least nobody's tried to call him a paleontologist. --Rodhullandemu 22:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tudors and Civil War? 

message: So you have a list of all these famous adventurers who might be the "real" Indiana Jones, and you don't include the greatest adventurer of them all, Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Childstarwars (talk • contribs) 11:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find a reference that explicitly makes that connection? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but there are no references listed for the rest of those possible real life Indy's. "Many people are said..." So I SAID Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton should be added.Childstarwars (talk) 13:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why they should probably ALL BE DELETED. It looks like synthesis or original research, i.e. "guesswork". To do it right, you need to go to some of the "making of" specials, particularly for the original film, and see what the inspirations were. In fact, as I recall from the making-of stuff at the time, that one scene with Indy jumping from the horse to the moving truck (like a stagecoach in the old westerns) was Lucas' inspiration piece for the first film. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if there isn't WP:RS for these figures as models, they have to go. DavidOaks (talk) 00:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burton 

message: Not included under video games. Why?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.102.87 (talk) 03:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is. Alientraveller (talk) 16:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Look for it yourself, then. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C  04:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lego Indiana Jones 

message: There are waaaay too many images on this page. Per WP:FUC, everything but the infobox image and the concept art fail the fair-use criteria. Images for the sake of images are not acceptable. There must be critical commentary on every non-free image being used, and you don't typically find critical commentary in plot sections (and I don't see any in these either). Simply showing "what he looked like" in all these different incarnations doesn't qualify for fair-use.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 06:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holy crap that's a lot of images 

message: I suppose it would ruin the scholarly flow of the paragraph, but I think the real reason Indy keeps his eyes closed is because he KNOWS if he or Marion looks the spirits of the ark will kill them.  I am no Biblical Scholar (I did go to Sunday School) but I seem to recall only the high priest was allowed to see the ark at all, and there was a lot of averting of eyes.  Since this is the Ark of the Covenant, we are talking Old Testament God, and he is depicted as being very jealous and vengeful.  Indy is a very well read man and he probably knew it was not wise to look.  As a matter of fact he shows a greater respect for God by closing his eyes, whether me meant it that way or not.  Either way, it would be more prudent not to look.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.183.219 (talk) 15:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He knows the legend, and as he says earlier in the film, he's a "cautious" fellow, so he's taking the cautious route. A lot of that stuff in the article about Indy's alleged religiosity or not, is OR and synthesis. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Say what? It's all sourced. Alientraveller (talk) 18:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cynical? He does not want to be KILLED. 

message: I wasn't sure how to go about this but in a documentary I viewed costume designer Deborah Nadoolman stated that she had Harrison ford try on a whole lot of hats than deciding none would work she had one made for him. I thoguht this should be added being that the hat is iconic. More on that she had 12 made of that same hat made for various reasons as well as aging them all her self. Also if this will be used I can provide a citation Ele (talk) 12:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  minor costume detail 

message: As per WP:LEAD I'm eliminating the notation of Selleck's initial casting.  It's covered in detail later in its separate section, and I don't think the otherwise interesting "What if...?" quality of the factoid is of great enough importance to be in the article lead.  (We made the same shift over a year ago in the Raiders lead.)  Clearly, we need to know in the first score of sentences that Jones is an adventurous archaeologist, that he appears in feature films and other media, and that Lucas helped create him.  Selleck's near-miss with the role, though interesting, is not of this magnitude.  Similarly, while Jones' look is indeed iconic, Staranko is noted properly and in detail later in the article.  Unless we are to consider him a near co-equal "author" of the character alongside Lucas and Ford--the reason, for example, that E.H. Shepard appears in the lead for the Winnie the Pooh article--his contributions merit inclusion in the body of the article.  Because of these two excisions, I've slightly expanded the remaining sentence that now finishes the lead so as to paint a fuller (but still concise) picture of Jones.  --Vaudedoc (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been changed, though not by me.  Soldier would be inaccurate if people meant OSS agent (which replaced soldier).  The OSS was a CIA precursor, that is, an intelligence agency, not special forces or military. To my knowledge, none of the movies provide a military background for him (though I've avoided the most recent iteration, so I'm taking it on faith that it describes him as a member of the OSS). --ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 14:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: The Indiane Jones article says it's an Akubra; however the talk page on Akubra states he does NOT wear an Akubra, but instead a Fedora.  The Fedora article says he wears a Fedora.  Someone should check the souces and verify/correct this hatting dispute... It's making me mad as... oh god, I can't say it...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.96.1 (talk) 20:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The most definitive sources I've seen say his hat was a fedora, made by "Herbert Johnson" of London.  While the Akubra and the fedora have a similar style, I believe Indy's hat is either a fedora, or a design combining elements of the fedora and Akubra (apparently, the hat uses an Aussie style back, which would explain the confusion). ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 23:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Those who made the movie specifically refer to it as a fedora when they discuss it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.244.195 (talk) 03:49, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hat: Fedora or Akubra? 

message: Because Indiana Jones drank from the Holy Grail does that make him immortal?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.72.143 (talk) 20:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Pure speculation here, but the movie seemed to imply that the Grail reversed aging at the time you drank from it, maybe even extended your life by a few decades, but it did not grant eternal life.  The knights who found it and drank from it but did not stay to guard it (and therefore drink from it repeatedly) lived prolonged but not impossibly long lives; presumably they were returned to youth by the draught and cured of the innumerable ailments common to the time period, but once they went back to Europe they lived normal, if healthy lives.  Without drinking from it repeatedly, Indy would likely live longer than usual, and perhaps into the modern day, but not forever. Of course, it's pure navel gazing in any event; fictional characters played by real life actors still have to age. --ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Indiana Jones immortal 

message: I've seen numerous cases where a full title includes both the "Dr." and the specific doctorate at the end, e.g. , ,  (see the page header for the last). It's a little pompous, but it's quite common. I'm unaware of any Wikipedia policy on this, so I'm open to correction if someone has a link. I'm primarily supporting the inclusion of "Dr." because, according to the reference, it is part of the full title used in the Young Indiana Jones show. If that is incorrect, then I support whatever phrasing is used there, if only to match the contents of the reference. Does anyone have access to the episode to check? So if there is a policy on this, or failing that, the source provides an "authoritative" rendering, I'd like to go with that. I'm going to revert once more with a "See Talk", please respond here before reverting, if possible. —ShadowRanger (talk|stalk) 18:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reminded of a scene in the first film, where the guy with the boat says to Indy, "Dr. Jones, I've heard a great deal about you. Your appearance is exactly as I expected!" and everyone laughs, except Indy. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Holders of a doctoral degree are entitled to the use of "Dr." preceding their name, though the use is traditionally reserved for academic settings in the case of a PhD.  I would never introduce myself to my next door neighbor as "Dr. Smith," for example, though I am referred as such at conferences and some faculty gatherings.  In writing, holders of doctoral degrees almost always follow proper etiquette in appending the degree designation to their proper names (e.g., "Jane Franklin, M.D." or "Kurt Greene, Ph.D.")  Referring to oneself with both is simply against standard etiquette, roughly the equivalent of "Mrs. Smith, Married Female."  (See  for Emily Post's either/or pronouncement.  See WP's own take on this at .)  Your three examples include Timothy Leary (hardly the best exemplar of standard etiquette and academic professionalism) and one gentleman who appeared to be trying to note he holds both medical and scholarly doctoral degrees.  Actually, responding to this talk discussion got me wondering as to why I'd never seen "PhD" appended to, say, "Linus Pauling," a holder of two scholarly PhDs (not to mention those two Nobel Prizes) on WP.  Turns out, "Wikipedia currently distinguishes between four groups: nobles, government officials, and members of royal families and clergy, and ordinary individuals."[]  In other words, Indy, rather than having both notations of his doctoral degree, should have neither.  (If a future sequel finds him serving as Pope Indy I or the fourth Duke of Ravenwood, well, on Wikipedia that's a different story.)  Thus, I'm striking both "Dr." and "PhD."  In consolation to us, of course, this does put in him in pretty good company.[]  Cheers.  --Vaudedoc (talk) 04:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Generally one either uses "Dr." at teh beginning of one's name or "Ph.D." at the end (or M.D, Ed.D, etc. for that matter) but not both.  Therefore, he should either be "Dr. Henry Jones, Jr." or "Henry Jones, Jr., Ph.D.".  Even if the Dr. is not formally in his name (i.e., if he is written at "Henry Jones, Jr., Ph.D."), he may still be referred to as "Dr. Jones."  Hence, Either the Dr., or the Ph.D. should be removed, but not both.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.190.10 (talk) 02:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. in full title 

message: I only scanned the article, but there is nothing in here about where the nickname "Indiana" came from. There was a line at the end of the Holy Grail movie where Sean Connery says, "We named the dog Indiana"; though I hope there is more someone could offer than that. Shocking Blue (talk) 18:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't scan hard enough - that bit is in the article. MikeWazowski (talk) 18:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

text: The fact Indiana is not his real name should be one of the very first things said on the page, when it says the character's name at the very beginning of a page! It should be in the first paragraph, not hard to find.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.244.195 (talk) 03:51, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: The Name "Indiana"

message: This article seems to be missing a summary of Indiana Jones' fictional exploits, which for most fictional characters is summarized in a "Fictional Character Biography" section.  Instead, this article confusingly gives only the broadest sense of Indy's adventures in the "appearances" section, broken up (non-chronologically and counter-intuitively) into an unlabeled section about the films and separate, labeled subsections for television and video games.  Given that the singular hallmark of the character is his extensive adventures, which weave in and out of real events throughout the 20th century, a biographical section would seem to be a great addition to this article.  This would also help to clarify and organize some of the information of the existing article. 67.183.220.107 (talk) 01:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Am I imagining it, or was there meant to be a time when he was involved in the Pershing Expedition against Pancho Villa?  Or did that get ret-conned so that he could be in the Belgian Army during WW1? 62.196.17.197 (talk) 12:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fictional Character Biography" 

message: Am I the only one who considers that the article "Indiana Jones" should redirect to the franchise and that Indy himself (the character) should have his article under the name of "Indiana Jones (character)"? Examples of this include Harry Potter and Harry Potter (character), Sailor Moon and Sailor Moon (character), James Bond and James Bond (character), Garfield and Garfield (character), Shrek and Shrek (character), and many more. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It literally made me mad that when I searched Indiana Jones to check movie dates it sent me to the character's personal page instead. I know of no other fictional work featuring a character's name in the title that does that, so it is not following the standard practice.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.244.195 (talk) 03:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indiana Jones (franchise) and Indiana Jones (character) 

message: I looked a while in the internet and I didn't find anything about this. It's already marked as "citation needed" but I wonder who put this there and if he or she could kindly provide a source. Or does anyone else has an idea how to find this list? Kommitanz (talk) 14:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for "he ranked #2 on Time Magazine's list of the greatest fictional characters of all time" ? 

message: "Concept and creation" section was missing the clear and original inspiration for Indiana Jones: Professor Challenger, created by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in 1912 for Doyle's novel The Lost World. I have added that, and think a change of the sec. title is in order. "Origins and inspirations" seems better.76.195.85.160 (talk) 22:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins and inspirations 

message: Under the Origins and Inspirations section, the article fails to mention that Indiana Jones was just a rip-off of the Charlton Heston character, Harry Steele, in the 1954 Paramount movie "Secret of the Incas".  Same leather jacket, fedora, khaki, pistol, tote bag, etc.  Deborah Landis, the Indy costume designer, mentions this in the article paragraph that follows, but it's not elaborated upon.  At the "Secret of the Incas" wiki site Landis mentions that "Raiders of the Lost Ark" is almost a shot-for-shot rip-off of "Secret of the Incas".  You can view "Secret of the Incas" on YouTube.  69.104.54.113 (talk) 01:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Secret of the Incas" 

message: What is all this nonsense about Harrison Ford being called Laguardia?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.50.45.5 (talk) 22:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely vandalism.  --  Zanimum (talk) 23:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Laguardia" 

message: Why is "henry jeffries" above the photo?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.39.130.53 (talk) 23:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That would have been vandalism.  --  Zanimum (talk) 23:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "henry jeffries" 

message: Now that Disney has purchased Lucasfilm, they own the rights to Star Wars and the Indiana Jones franchise.  This should definitely be noted somewhere in the article, but I'm at a loss as to where it should be.Wyldstaar (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That belongs on the Indiana Jones franchise page, not the character's page.
Per this, the original release date was to have been 7/19/19: http://www.gigareel.com/movies/its-happening-indiana-jones-returning-to-the-big-screen-in-2019/ .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drsruli (talk • contribs) 07:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disney buys Indy 

message: "Religion 	Christian (nominal)[9]" < Since when? The character has never given any indication of religious beliefs that I've noticed, and he goes through multiple experiences that would disprove Christianity, preventing such a religion choice. The cited source is not official, proper canon. Only George Lucas FILMS are official canon (George Lucas is on record on the Star Wars wikia specifically saying so about Star Wars - the other stuff based off his films are merchandising, not actual, canon additions).
: "multiple experiences that would disprove Christianity"?  Like experiencing the power of God directly on at least two occasions (the invocation of the Ark of the Covenant in Raiders and the Grail in Last Crusade)?  Either of those would logically set someone up with some relationship to the divine...  62.196.17.197 (talk) 12:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Suggest adding real person Montagu Brownlow Parker, 5th Earl of Morley who actually carried out significant excavations in Jerusalem before the first world war, in search of the temple treasures.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Copytopic1 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Models 

message: The article mentions "Also at Disney's Hollywood Studios, an audio-animatronic Indiana Jones appears in another attraction; during the The Great Movie Ride's Raiders of the Lost Ark segment.[30]"
I do not have a personal recollection of this figure's existence, but what's more, the source article does not describe an audio animatronic of Indiana Jones.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.219.102 (talk) 00:26, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Representations in Disney theme parks 

message: I was just wondering if it would in any way improve the article if we added Obtainer of Rare Antiquities as another item under the list of occupations Professor Jones practices. I thought it would be prudent to ask rather than simply adding it, as it could be taken as being too informal or even slang, but then I did get the idea after watching the film and hearing a U.S. Army Intelligence Officer at the Museum in Raiders of the Lost Ark at approximately 15:37 (MM:SS) after the beginning of the credits, attribute him with this title. I believe the quote was something like:
"Dr. Jones, we've heard a great deal about you ... Professor of Archaeology, Expert on the Occult, and, uh, how does one say it? Obtainer of Rare Antiquities."
Anyway, as this would be my first edit to what seems a fairly important article, I thought I'd be safe rather than sorry, and ask, or at least see what people think. TIA.
Froszthamr (talk) 04:59, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Obtainer of Rare Antiquities" 

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message: Does anyone know if Henry Jones, Jr. (Indiana) has a comma before the "Jr." in the film mentions of his character? Fictional characters are allowed to keep their comma, so if the name as presently portrayed is incorrect this should be changed back. Same with Henry Jones, Sr. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Comma Jr.?

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thread_title:  Requested move 8 June 2020 

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message: The article gives the name of Indy's daughter (who appears in the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles episode "Ireland, April 1916") as "Susan Jones". Her name is never said in the episode, and IMDB credits the character simply as "Old Indy's Daughter". Susan Bigelow is the name of the actress who played the character. Where does the name for the character come from? Coq87rouge (talk) 13:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of daughter