Talk:Empire State Development Corporation

message: There appears to be a lot of venting and POV in this article and doesn't follow Wikipedia standards.  I tried to clean up to the Regional Controversies section.  I think much of this is because people do not understand it and are venting over its many transgressions.  I am tempted to nuke it from regional on down unless somebody can clean up those sections to better wikipedia standards.  Americasroof 07:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: Everything about the UDC (not just its name change) is intensely Orwellian, and - although I'm sure your motives are pure - the removal of any trace of some of the most pertinent facts about the UDC is consistent with this pattern. Many New Yorkers are aware that the UDC (or the ministry of love or whatever it calls itself these days) was established to provide safe and pleasant low-income housing and in fact builds prisons. But how many are aware that its CEO was previously the employer of one of New York's most powerful Mafia bosses? That fact was reported in the Albany Times-Union and it was reported here, and nowhere else. (Do a search for "Gargano Migliore" at the newspaper's archive if you're interested - you can get some oddball Google results too.) How many New York citizens are aware that the UDC has the power to create subsidiaries (it has well over a hundred, as formerly reported here) that have all the statutory powers of the UDC itself? How many realize that these subsidiaries can be run by an appointed board of directors who acquire the power to condemn land, finance projects by taxpayer-backed and tax-free bonds, grant unlimited tax relief, and over-rule all local zoning laws - and use those powers for the to promote profit-making private projects (malls, shuffleboard stadiums, or anything else they chose to call "economic development") in which members of that board have a direct personal business interest!!?? How many realize that this scenario came within a whisker of actually happening on Long Island in 1991? It would have been a de facto coup d'etat  benefitting only a clique of developers and their close allies - while elected representatives would have lost almost all their power! This could be attempted again anywhere in New York State, at any time - and done very quietly. Perhaps it is happening again right now, too quietly for anyone to notice. And guess what? A nice bland predictable Wikipedia article that blurs and smudges and erases the main facts about its subject will help that happen, and thereby contribute to the erosion of democracy and economic accountability - not to mention the libertarian principles that motivated the creation of this Wikipedia project in the first place.
My comment here may be hot-headed and POV-saturated. But the text that was eliminated was well-documented and entirely truthful, all backed up by standard sources (the UDC's own documents and archived articles of major, reputable mainstream newspapers). Perhaps the eliminated prose could have been more Wikipedian in style and content - and if so, it certainly should have been revised to that end. 
But some people's idea of "eliminating POV" extends to removing any content (very much including well-documented facts that are essential to the subject) if this content is not entirely bland, predictable, wishy-washy and sanitized. These editors not only eliminate alarmist rhetoric; they also eliminate alarming facts! They mistake one for the other. The most significant facts about a subject, which make this whole project a tool for empowering our readers, go down the memory hole.
Fortunately, Wikipedia's memory hole - the article's history - is still there for diligent readers to discover.Chelydra 11:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eliminating POV or just dumping the CENTRAL FACTS about the UDC down an Orwellian Memory Hole? 

message: The section on Corporate Information contains this paragraph:
"In 1995, these agencies, which had previously functioned independently, were consolidated in order to increase efficiency, reduce overhead and enhance the delivery of the State’s economic development initiatives. Reorganized as Empire State Development, the combined agencies now function as a streamlined economic development organization whose primary mission is the facilitation of business growth and job creation across New York State."
These exact words can be found on the ESD website on this page (accessed 12/19/2013):
http://esd.ny.gov/CorporateInformation.html
The paragraph as it appears in this Wikipedia entry does not contain quotes or attribute for the source of that exact wording. 
The paragraph appeared in this article 30 March 2012‎: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Empire_State_Development_Corporation&oldid=484694244
And it appeared on the EDS website as early as Feb 2010.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100204134543/http://esd.ny.gov/CorporateInformation.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.189.106.4 (talk) 21:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism  

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