Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 15

message: Hi, I noticed that majority of the articles pertaining to filipino musical groups that they have not been improved for a long time and they do not match the Wikipedia standards. Making changes in fixing the articles are much appreciated Edraf (talk) 13:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because of a very limited sources. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MUSIC Articles 

message: Hi guys, I think we need your opinions regarding the mass deletions for one-sentence articles in the Tagalog Wikipedia. The discussion can be reached here. Thanks.--Lenticel (talk) 12:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I don't want to question Felipe Aira's motives, I wish someone will remind him that Wikipedia is not a democracy.  By the way, I opposed the proposal.  --Sky Harbor 23:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well we'll have to respect consensus and the community's decision. And my suggestion is not a mere poll, it is a dicussion for change and Wikipedya's higher quality. -- Felipe Aira 03:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on Mass Deletion on the Tagalog Wiki 

message: I am thinking of creating an article for the Tagalog Wikipedia about sudoku, though not as a direct translation of the article, but more of context. I might even add local flavor by stating that the Inquirer became one of the first newspapers in the Philippines to publish sudoku puzzles. Of course, I'll make it there as an anon since I'm not registered there. There's a problem on how to translate "3x3 grid". I just don't know a good term for "grid" in the first place. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 14:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Using traditional English to Tagalog translation (Tagalog first, then Spanish), a "3x3 grid" is translated as "tatlo sa tatlong tabla". Starczamora (talk) 16:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: That would be "layon ng laro", and yes, puzzle is "palaisipan" (I remember people in Batibot use that term to describe puzzles). Starczamora (talk) 16:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagalog Sudoku article 

message: Guys, this needs attention. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 06:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Speedy...just kidding! Oh wait, I just did! Starczamora (talk) 07:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That was fast! Thank you anyway. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 07:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hidden Valley Springs]] 

message: I was planning to post this on February, during the anniversary of the event but I'm nearing Wikibonked status right now. So before I go, I posted some refs on the article's talk page. The refs might be useful for the analysis/aftermath part of the article, the only ORish section of the article.
P.S. can someone find a source for the Marcos' finest Hour thing? The source I listed on the talk page doesn't look reliable to me. --Lenticel (talk) 12:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  EDSA I improvement 

message: Can anyone here tell me who was governor of Ilocos Norte in the period between 1986 and 1988? Magalhães (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Between 1986 and 1988, President Corazon Aquino appointed officers-in-charge. Starczamora (talk) 17:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I am aware of this. But I can't seem to find the name of the appointed governor(s) for Ilocos Norte. (Except for Ablan, Jr.) Magalhães (talk) 19:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That does indeed seem to be a pattern. My Grandfather was appointed OIC Mayor of Agoo, La Union, for example, but he is not usually listed among the mayors. I am not certain whether this is an official policy because they were not elected, or whether the elected officials generally just didn't like to acknowledge their term as legitimate.Alternativity (talk) 23:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  They're usually included in the rosters of mayors but the OIC should be made to stand out. --Howard the Duck 04:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: From what I know, they are de facto (by nature of their office) and de jure (by virtue of the appointment ordedr) considered as, say, mayors (or acting mayors). Their terms were supposed to be on a hold-over or transitionary capacity (somewhat a temporary designation) in order to keep the local government running while the new government was busy preparing for the upcoming local elections under the new constitution...which probably explains why not many people are aware of who these OICs are. But essentially, they should still be listed in the list of local officials, and probably with a parenthetical note that they held office under appointment (that's the way we had the mayors listed in Meycauayan City; in fact, the OIC is recognized as an ex-mayor just like his predecessors). Otherwise, how can one explain the apparent gap in the leadership? --- Tito Pao (talk) 03:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Ferdinand Marcos, Jr. was governor in 1995 he ran and lost for the senate that year right? --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 05:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: You are right. He was a representative for Ilocos Norte at that time. I corrected this. So now I am looking for the names of the governors in two gaps ;) Magalhães (talk) 06:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Marcos was a congressman in 1992 representing the 2nd congressional district. Rodolfo Fariñas ran and won the first congressional seat in 1998. He was the governor of the said province from 95-98.   --Exec8 (talk) 03:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Governors of Ilocos Norte 

message: Dear Sir/Madam, 
 
   Good Afternoon. I'm edwin , currently live in laguna.
I just want to ask you if you can help this poor girl to look for 
his lost father. I tried to seek the municipality but I failed to look for this
person. For me this is an Adventure, but for this poor girl, this can change 
her life. 
    "Mr Eduardo Beredo De Guzman" is the name given to me, who 
live in Batangas, Plus see below
 : and i searching some contacs from Philippines because my father was from Batangas City    he"s name"s Eduardo Beredo De Guzman
: my father cousin is a doctor and have a clinic
: my grantfather was a soldier or a policeman
: and my grandfather name is Nicolas and my grandmother's name"s Maximina
: and my father was born 13.07.1950
: he was working in company SKANSKA 
       The area with semicolons are the only information sent to me by this poor
girl who now live in poland. It seems that the child will do anything just to 
talk to his father even by phone. 
        may the lord bless us all in helping them to have the soonest father & 
      daughter talk. 
 
 God Bless, 
        edwin
                 
any e-mail address of municipal hall will be a great help..
 in batangas....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.212.106 (talk) 05:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, you may want to contact the police or the NBI. Wikipedia can't help you on this. --Howard the Duck 06:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a free encyclopedia, not a lost and found website. Starczamora (talk) 13:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Kaloy-i tawn siya. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 01:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A girl needs help! 

message: User:23prootie and I have been engaged in a discussion and it seems he can't even wait for a few minutes of replies. He keeps on reverting without consensus, and now I've run out of 3RR :o Can somebody have a third opinion on this or even just revert to the original version? --Howard the Duck 08:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm smelling edit wars.  Don't worry, we know we're right. Starczamora (talk) 09:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help on [[Pinoy Idol]] 

message: Shown to the right is the graph of article tagging for the Assessment Department. There are still approximately 5,000 possibly Philippine-related articles that still need to be tagged. If you'd like to help out, please go to the Worklist section to see a list of still unassessed articles. Let's try to clean this backlog. Thanks! From your self-appointed Assessment Department Secretary, seav (talk) 05:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm actually working on a "per category" basis, starting with everything related to GMA Network. Starczamora (talk) 13:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good. As long as we clear up the backlog. :-)
Hey guys, here's an inspiration. One long-term project that I envision using the assessment data is to create a Philippine encyclopedia. Imagine that we bring up all the Top-importance articles to at least GA-class, collect them and add all the lead sections (see WP:LEAD) of all the High-importance articles as well as the core articles. Then have all of these translated to Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilocano, Kapampangan, Winaray, Ilonggo, Pangasinan, and Bicolano (in the process, beefing up their respective Wikipedias). We can then distribute these as encyclopedia sets to all public elementary and high schools in the Philippines. Now isn't doing that an educational legacy you can be proud of? :-) --seav (talk) 23:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Did you see the video of Jimmy Wales when the donation drive opened? An editor's vision was like yours. In right time, articles here in Wiki will be printed out and be disseminated to public schools. A very nice one! --BritandBeyonce (talk) 07:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A noble cause, but we have to take the first step first (a Philippine chapter). Perhaps a meeting is in order?--Lenticel (talk) 08:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean, meetup? --BritandBeyonce (talk) 08:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we can do a simultaneous Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao meetup, with Videoconferencing! (hehe) Or perhaps we could settle for another meetup at SM or the Podium.--Lenticel (talk) 22:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Seav's suggestion is a good one! Count me in! Starczamora (talk) 14:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Lenticel, for the purposes of tagging and bringing up the quality of the articles, a chapter is not needed. The chapter would be needed when we start collating the articles for distribution. But the first step for the chapter creation is talking again about the Articles of Incorporation and the By-laws over at Meta. --seav (talk) 14:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was talking about the distribution of Wiki to public schools. As for the tagging, improving, and legalese, yes we can do those online.--Lenticel (talk) 22:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment Department Update (Jan 2008) 

message: Is anyone here inclined to economics? It'll be great if someone can cut down the Economy section since it's very long already. --Howard the Duck 06:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the still ongoing problem of the History section's length is more important. --seav (talk) 02:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the history section is a lot easier to trim since everyone seems to know history... for the economy section, I dunno which paragraph/sentence to keep or remove. For the history section it seems you can't remove some sentences otherwise the "story" won't be completely understood. --Howard the Duck 03:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Philippines#Economy]] 

message: As I was googling for the etymology of the Tagalog word elisi (propeller), lo and behold, an article on wikipedia! — Sandtiger 02:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  +1 

message: I've been working on revisions to the entries of a few older Filipino actors such as Panchito, and noticed that their filmographies tend to be quite long, probably because the Filipino film industry tended to be quite prolific from the 1930s up until the 1980s. Also, these filmographies tend to be copied from IMDB, which is not a terribly reliable source when it comes to Filipino films. Are there governing policies concerning the length of these filmographies (e.g., restricting the list to the most prominent films)? I couldn't find advice either at WP:Philippines-MOS or at WP:MOSFILM. Thanks in advance! Anyo Niminus (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can actually keep the filmography in the main article, as long as you use smaller fonts for better organization.  Check Jack Nicholson and George Clooney. Starczamora (talk) 20:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I'll probably also consider as an alternative using multiple columns, as was done in Aga Mulach. Anyo Niminus (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policy on filmographies of Filipino actors 

message: These days, GMA-7, per stunning videos, dramatized the shocking miracles and millions of crowds that mobbed Fernando Suarez. Even in Jesus's times, Fr. Corsie Legaspi's, and upcomming Fr. Joey Faller of Lucban, Quezon, we never witnessed this mobbing and sights of millions to witness his healing. Just wanna share with you these: ONLY IN DA PHILIPPINES - (note that Cardinal Gaudencio Rosales led his Montemaria mega-shrine opening with no less than my town Meycauayan parish priest with 5,000 Meycuayanos having pilgrimage there to gather 5,000 healing stones. This must be Filipino Wiki's best. --- --Florentino floro (talk) 07:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So what is this section for?! Eh?! --Howard the Duck 14:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If the article you created is THE best in Wikipedia, then have it nominated for Feature Article. 58.71.27.88 (talk) 20:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was very skeptic when I first created the article. I even became more skeptic when after I made it, an Ottawa user or admin edited it, and informed me that that user never heard of Suarez in Canada where he claimed in tabloids, that he resurrected an 8 hour clinically dead Canadian. But when my maid told me about the Bandila ABS-CBN videos and news about how Suarez made the lame and stroke patients walk and the blind etc. I opened gma news video, and I was shocked. So, I just wanted to share Suarez' gifts and miracles including $ 220 million Montemaria to the world and filipinos. As a new or just one year user here, I cannot claim any right to have written the best articles here. In fact my articles are just on law and bios of notable jurists, inter alia. But Fernando Suarez is now making WORLD HISTORY, since not even in the time of Jesus, or in the times of great tele-evangelists even now worldwide, had we or I seen the mobbing by millions of a healer. This is just my point, I do not want to be misinterpreted to claim that my edits or articles are the best. In fact, I learn little by little and I want to learn more, since, I have no computer background just internet cafe coaching or teaching by desk officers. Regards. Peace of Christ. -- --Florentino floro (talk) 05:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is this even here? WTF? --Howard the Duck 11:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  it's a shame that ABS-CBN wasn't around to carry video's of Jesus harlock_jds (talk) 14:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow, I can't believe the crowd of Suarez 

message: A question has been raised as to the notability of this individual, and the article is currently under consideration  for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claudio Teehankee, Jr. I bring this to your attention in case anyone here has interest in the deletion discussion and can assist in determining whether or not the article is appropriate with notability guidelines. Thank you. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Claudio Teehankee, Jr.]] 

message: I have started the userboxes for the 2010 Philippine Presidential Elections. I was doing some of them (Bayani Fernando, Mar Roxas & Manny Villar) when Kevin Ray Chua suggested that I should discuss the concerns related to the userboxes here or my edits are considered worthless. The page that contains my userboxes for the elections is here. Please feel free to comment either here or on my talk page. (Its title in my signature is "TaLKBaCK".) iaNLOPEZ1115  TaLKBaCK Vandalize it UBX 09:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just kill it. I don't see Obama userboxes anywhere. --Howard the Duck 03:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Howard, my proposed userboxes are for the upcoming 2010 Philippine elections. NOT for the Presidential elections in America (that will absolutely happen in November). Although that event is 2 years away, we need to prepare for it. Those userboxes are appropriate since I have gotten my inspiration from the userboxes showing its support for a certain US Presidential candidate.  I don't want to get into a Wikipedia editing war, Philippine-style. iaNLOPEZ1115  TaLKBaCK Vandalize it UBX 03:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After snooping around. there are userboxes about the 2008 US election, so I guess local 2010 elections will be fine. I don't think it's that important, anyway. The 2010 election articles are important, but userboxes aren't. --Howard the Duck 03:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userboxes related to the 2010 Philippine elections 

message: 03:27, 29 January 2008 User:Yonatan deleted "Tagalog Wikipedia" ‎Wikipedia:CSD#A7: Article about a web site that does not assert significance. Starczamora (talk) 05:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then that would have deleted ALL article about different versions of Wikipedia, would it? Starczamora (talk) 05:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, I knew the German Wiki was supported by the government. He could've just went through the prod->AFD process instead of the CSD route, though. --Howard the Duck 05:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a problem, though.  Most Filipino Wikipedians write in the English Wikipedia and most local media refer to English Wikipedia as well when sourcing Philippine-related articles. Starczamora (talk) 05:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find at least 2 (multiple means >1) citations then it can be saved. --Howard the Duck 05:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text: FYI, the article in Tagalog Wikipedia itself is a candidate for deletion, although, not speedy.  See :tl:Wikipedia:Mga_artikulong_buburahin/Tagalog_na_Wikipedia. --Jojit (talk) 07:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't agree with the CSD move but I agree that the article itself doesn't deserve to exist (yet). I don't think that there are any reliable sources for this article. It would be better if the article were merged into Wikipedia or List of encyclopedias by language or a similar page. --seav (talk) 09:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we should Afd the thing so as to have consensus on how to deal with these articles. i think we still need to follow WP:RS and WP:N even if it is close to us.--Lenticel (talk) 12:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tagalog Wikipedia]] article was deleted?! What?! 

message: Anabels restaurant, Tomas morato 2mrw at 6 30 pm for the wikifilipino critic preview. Hope you guys can come.
--Nino Gonzales (talk) 14:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Malayo and tinitirhan ko; dito sa Naval, Biliran. Just post the discussions here in TAMBAY. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 05:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: WikiFilipino already exists: http://fil.wikipilipinas.org/index.php?title=Unang_Pahina.  Wikipedians who wanted to have a Filipino encyclopedia will be happy about this development, although, serious writers might not like it because of some non-notable articles such as this. --Jojit (talk) 07:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, that article can be speedily deleted... --Howard the Duck 07:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Denied speedy request, not Wikipedia :)--Lenticel (talk) 07:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Burahin yan noh. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 12:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  :O --Howard the Duck 07:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hehehe. It's attitude like this that makes people think Wikipedians are elitist. ;) --seav (talk) 08:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd go if I were not on a field trip.  --Sky Harbor 11:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't able to attend too.  If there was no Wikipedian present there (I hope Nino was there), probably we can set our own meeting with KWF guys on our next meet-up. --Jojit (talk) 05:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think any one of us was able to attend. We can invite KWF on one of our meet-ups, not necessarily the next one. --seav (talk) 05:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Txt from Wikiboy (Wpinas) 

message: Can an admin clear the backlog (see Talk:Marian Rivera for edits on protected pages? Thanks. --Howard the Duck 04:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Marian Rivera]] 

message: May I request the following maps for the sake of Philippine transportation articles:
*A map of the Strong Republic Transit System
*A map of the Manila Light Rail Transit System so the templates breaking the flow of the article can be removed
Likewise, the map of the Philippine National Railways network should be updated to reflect other branch lines and the addition of other major cities serviced or formerly serviced by it, such as Lucena City, Malolos City, San Fernando City in Pampanga and Angeles City.
Hopefully someone can help!  --Sky Harbor 05:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I could make a map for the Strong Republic Transit System.. but you you have any sources I could use for the future/proposed lines (other than the existing Yellow, Blue, and Purple)? TheCoffee (talk) 14:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's maps of all three existing MRT/LRT lines at the article on SRTS stations, and there's a map of MRT-7 at the Universal MRT website.  Take note that the line has no official color yet (I can't say it's the Red Line since there is no conclusive proof that it is taking the cudgels from the defunct MRT-4).  The Orange (PNR Southrail from Tutuban to Buli) and Green (PNR Northrail from Tutuban to Caloocan) Lines should also be included.  --Sky Harbor 09:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map requests 

message: While working over some entries on our local film stars, I've faced choices on whether to use "actor" or "actress" with respect to our female film performers. I strongly prefer "actor", which its own wikipedia entry describes as "gender-neutral", as compared to "actress", which is specifically described as "non-neutral language" per WP:GNL. However, WP:MOS on gender-neutral language is couched only in advisory terms ("Please consider gender-neutral language where it can be done without loss of neatness and precision."), so there seems to be room in WP for using "actress". Many prominent Western stars are described as "actress" (Julie Andrews, Samantha Morton, Dakota Fanning, Marie Dressler), but a few are identified as "actors" (Angelina Jolie, Reese Witherspoon). 
There are ways to avoid the debate, such as using "film comedian" in the case of comics such as Dely Atay-Atayan, but there are no equivalent substitute terms in the case of dramatic actors. While I personally prefer "actor", and can justify the choice through WP:GNL and WP:MOS, I'd like to get some consensus first before proceeding full-speed, especially since in the Philippines, it doesn't appear very common to use "actor" in lieu of "actress". If there is a stronger consensus towards using "actress", then I'd be perfectly happy to use that. Thanks! Anyo Niminus (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: it's a silly debate and not worth edit warring over... make a change to actor and explain your reasons why... if the consensus of the page is to change it back then so be it. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to go "full-speed" and make the change everywhere 14:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

text: just use actress for women and actor for men. --Howard the Duck 03:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I'll use actor and actress, less potential controversy that way, the anti-PC crowd can get snippy on that issue. Anyo Niminus (talk) 17:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus on "Actor" vs. "Actress" 

message: Do you think it's time we create a Tagalog Uncyclopedia, with a working title Pekepedia? Starczamora (talk) 05:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm really interested in this. Pekepedia doesn't really have to parody the Tagalog Wikipedia, though. --Howard the Duck 12:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How about you try your skills at the "en" Uncyclopedia before trying to build a tl version. I believe that you need skills in graphics as the best jokes are usually best conveyed with photoshop altered pictures. I know that American and British humor are very different from Tagalog but I think its better  to learn the ropes there.--Lenticel (talk) 12:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno since the subject of the jokes will be Filipinos so I don't think it'll be that funny in a broader audience (think of Piolo Pascual's gayness, other nationalities won't be able to understand/get it). --Howard the Duck 13:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in Tagalog anyway, as if they'll understand it.  I mean, Indonesia already has Tolololpedia. Starczamora (talk) 13:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention Filipinos would readily understand Tagalog jokes than English (you'd have to be really immersed in Western culture to understand the jokes). --Howard the Duck 13:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So how about it, should we propose for an Uncyclopedia that actually caters to our unique brand of humor? Starczamora (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead. --Howard the Duck 13:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think the succeeding discussion needs attention. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 00:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: As I've said before, my Tagalog isn't encyclopedia-material... although it is perhaps uncyclopedia-material. And tl.wiki is practically useless since the education system promotes English as the language of education. That's why other Philippine languages (esp. Cebuano) have better article counts is that because they use their own language in education. --Howard the Duck 04:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand. But what I'm just saying is having to take time to create "uncyclopedia-material" isn't really productive to The Tambayan, whether TL:WIKI or EN:WIKI, not that I'm a party pooper. Besides, baka tayo tayo lang makaintindi nung mga jokes nating gagawin and these jokes "to be" will not be globally understood..., just saying, but I'm ok with it †Bloodpack† 05:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, in the first place, the Tagalog Uncyclopedia will be for Tagalog speakers, and there aren't that many in the world... --Howard the Duck 06:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you seen GMA's article there? No wonder she held another term.--Lenticel (talk) 08:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I love Cory's quote, hahaha... Anyway, the best objective I see in Tagalog Wikipedia is preserving and spreading the Tagalog language amidst the "Filipino invasion", not necessarily as a education tool.  Meanwhile, the Philippine-related articles in Uncyclopedia are often accused of being "overtly Filipino" (which I understand because Americans won't get what's funny in our country anyway). Starczamora (talk) 14:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a user on uncyclopedia by the way. (the link is here.) I'm trying to ask some (or one) of the sysops there to give the copy of the last edit about regarding the Philippines (for recovery and documentation purposes, of course. Then I'll ask a Pinoy sysop in Wikipedia to semi-protect the copy of that expired article. Hope it works. -iaNLOPEZ1115  TaLKBaCK Vandalize it UBX 09:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Tagalog Uncyclopedia? 

message: Now its February, lets help each other and develop an article about the Panagbenga Festival, a feast in Baguio City that features the flower float parade. --Exec8 (talk) 05:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Kindly improve. A bit busy for now. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Inconsistent. Some articles use capital. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also recommend the use of the capital "F" for "Festival." --Howard the Duck 11:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: anybody got pics? I nominated the article on DYK. Maybe it would be better with pictures.--Lenticel (talk) 10:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Will pictures of flowers from Baguio do? Anyo Niminus (talk) 17:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it will be better than nothing I guess.--Lenticel (talk) 21:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: released to public domain some pics of Baguio flowers I took last summer. Feel free to select any pictures for the article from here. Anyo Niminus (talk) 03:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: added one of them.--Lenticel (talk) 22:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panagbenga Festival 

message: Remember the problem we had with Philippine peso vs. Philippine piso last year? Anyway, there is a proposal to change the naming convention to something more in line with Use English and Use Common Name. Plus, there are several move requests like Brunei ringgit to Brunei dollar (discussion) and Dutch gulden to Dutch guilder (discussion). Comments, points of argument, and opinions are appreciated on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Style. --seav (talk) 02:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numismatics naming convention is under discussion 

message: Kuya Seav, I've been keeping this in my mind for months and now I want to ask and be answered. Hopefully, Wiki will be crowded with featured articles (well source and professionaly written). Could Wiki be easily exploited in terms of printing out this stuffs and make profit out of it? I mean, we have articles here helpful for students and might one day a greedy publisher will publish this all. Is that possible? --BritandBeyonce (talk) 06:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's possible and legal. And there's nothing wrong with that. The problem of the would be profiteer are two: 1) some other person can undercut the would-be profiteer with a much cheaper version and this results in competition that nobody can really profit from just a wholesale no-value-add product. (Now if the person added study guides, and other value-added stuff, then that's acceptable.) 2) He has to release his product under GFDL too and that gives the buyers immense benefit since they can sell copies of it themselves. So overall, there's no problem of exploitation. --seav (talk) 02:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So, there's a great chance no one would really exploit the "effort" of the editors? Im not acting selfish here but just very concern with the effort. By the way, what about the multilple licenses? Like yours? Sorry to ask these stuffs in the project talk page. I know everybody could benifit out of this talk.--BritandBeyonce (talk) 12:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profiting from Wikipedia 

message: :) ViperSnake151 02:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think many Tambays working on showbiz-related articles will find this very useful.--Lenticel (talk) 03:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This may be useful 

message: Someone created an absurdity called the Luzon Empire. Can you please delete it?
Sorry!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.76.252.20 (talk) 10:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm amused with the article... it has "references" though so I dunno how it will fare in AFD... --Howard the Duck 12:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also amusing to note that the article was written by what seems to be a Japanese Chinese history buff.  And yeah, since it has a lot of sources, it seems notable and therefore undeletable. Starczamora (talk) 13:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the article can be balanced or at least have its facts counter-checked using Philippine history texts (Agoncillo, O.D. Corpuz, etc). Anyo Niminus (talk) 14:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Folks, I may not be a true expert on this field yet, but I know enough to say at least a good number of the references used by the article are sound.  It's the interpretation that's messed up. :-S Alternativity (talk) 18:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

text: If some books I have read are correct, there was in fact an empire in Central Luzon. The very reason Manila became a Muslim kingdom was Brunei established it as an outpost to check on the growth of that empire in Central Luzon which had begun dominating trade in the region, specially as it began to monopolize trade with China. I think there's a little consistency with what I read from that Luzon Empire. Though it is hardly verifiable since pre-Hispanic Philippines had very little or no written account of their history. It may also be a wild idea, but if anyone had ever noticed a lot of people from the Pampanga-Tarlac are are fair skinned and has almond-eyes more than any ethnic group in the Philippines. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 19:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've requested the help of WP:CHINA here, perhaps they can help us with this article.--Lenticel (talk) 22:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Hm I guess a partial merge is alright. I'll invite the original author here for discussion.--Lenticel (talk) 22:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Luzon Empire]] discussion 

message: What an incredible mess!  Luzon Empire isn't the only problem.  Changes have also been made to  Tondo, and there are significant inconsistencies between Lakandula and Rajah Lakandula (I think the Lakandula article is absurd conjecture).  I don't know where to start doing repair work to bring these articles into line with mainstream scholarship. Working on it, though.  But I'm gonna need help.  Any other volunteers? Alternativity (talk) 11:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prehispanic Philippines Articles Need Work 

message: OKAY. Here goes. I've come up with a more orthodox article, Ancient Tondo. It still needs work, but I think it covers the same territory as Luzon Empire, with the conjecture moved to a separate section (which I have not yet finished). May I suggest a partial merge, with Luzon Empire being reduced to a discussion of the theory that the Lesser Song Dynasty later became the Tondo of Lakandula? Thoughts, anyone? Alternativity (talk) 15:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm I guess a partial merge is alright. I'll invite the original author here for discussion.--Lenticel (talk) 22:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ancient Tondo]]

message: Hmm... This seems to be generating a lot of drama in the Afd's. Perhaps more tambays should look into this. I still AGF but should this continue perhaps we should go through RFC. I'll invite the nom in question here.--Lenticel (talk) 00:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's obviously an example of systemic bias, and when we threaten them by nominating one of "their own" articles for deletion, we get accused for not assuming good faith.  I mean, following their argument, it completely reflects the American counterpart (and therefore subject to deletion--at least in their view--as well). Starczamora (talk) 02:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually I want those lists deleted.... just that we should delete everything in its class. --Howard the Duck 02:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  massive list deletions (see WP:PINOY) 

message: Can an admin restore this? It was deleted this month... --Howard the Duck 04:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:NC81Studio23.jpg]] 

message: "Miskol" (missed call) edged out "roro" (inter-island ferries) and "friendster" as the Filipino Word of 2007.  I never knew we had such a thing. Read the article here. Starczamora (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: see Missed call--Lenticel (talk) 05:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filipino Word of the Year 2007 

message: Earlier today I either prodded or asked all barangay articles for CSDs and all of them were either removed or denied. Now I'm planning to go by the ordinary AFD route for all of these barangays later. Do we have a unified stand on the standing of these barangays? I think other non-Pinoys really don't understand the concept of barangays so selling deletion to them would rather be hard. --Howard the Duck 12:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The mass PROD was kinda too extreme. The slower AfD route would've been better. Also, maybe we can be bold and merge the verifiable info ourselves into the municipality/city articles. --seav (talk) 02:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... a quiet merge seems to be better than more Afd inclusionist drama. But remember most Brgy. Afd's closed as delete--Lenticel (talk) 02:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree with redirecting them to the Municipality articles#Barangays. --Chris S. (talk) 04:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that some barangays are notable in themselves, but 99.9% of them don't deserve their own articles and their info should be added to their respective municipality/city articles. As for Damortis, I think the old place is notable, not the current barangay that inherited its name and is located in the same place. As for Ayala Alabang, I think the Ayala Alabang Village is more notable than the barangay (they are almost coterminous, with the barangay also including the Madrigal Business Park and Alabang Town Center). But I think a note about Ayala Alabang Village, Alabang Hills Village, etc. should be included in Muntinlupa City instead. --seav (talk) 04:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also have a problem with these "rich" barangays like Forbes Park, Dasma, etc. It would seem that they're notable, but not as barangays. --Howard the Duck 04:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: We should have policy on notability of these barangays. --Howard the Duck 06:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't have been resorted to AFD if the prod notices weren't removed several hours after I posted them. Nevertheless, it is important to note that those who voted for keep know nothing about barangays and those who voted delete/merge know what barangays are. --Howard the Duck 09:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, AFDs would attract people who believe all geography article need to be kept as long as they are shown to actually exist. Why not simply redirect existing barangay articles to the relevant section in the municipality article they belong to? If the article creator complains, then simply point out the results of the previous discussions on this issue. Another possibility is to make "List of barangays in X" articles that could include a short blurb and statistics about each barangay. The barangay articles can be redirected to the lists. In fact, it might be worth redirecting all barangays to such lists. The non-existence of articles is maybe one reason why many new articles keep popping up. The existence of a redirect might discourage new barangay articles from being created. --Polaron | Talk 16:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Barangay]] notability 

message: This section contains links to archived Tambayan discussions about barangays having articles.
* Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 2#Barangays (October-November 2005)
* Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 3#Barangays again (February-June 2006)
* Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive10#An AfD about a barangay (April 2007)
* Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive13#The Barangay notability question (September-October 2007)
Several of the discussions ended today and most were no consensus or merge. Actually, the closing admin recommended "Merge" but I'll my hands off first lest I be accused of a User:TTN clone. --Howard the Duck 16:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tambayan discussions about barangay notability

message: I must ask the community for help undoing the entries of User:Ushiwaka pertaining to the Luzon Empirein the Tondo, Manila article, beginning with [].  It has pretty much been established that the sources cited do not warrant the inclusion of theories put forward regarding Tundo being the capital of the Luzon Empire.  I would prefer an Undo because I dont want to risk losing the old content of the article, and any data from intermediate edits that have since been done. Any advice on what I can do in this case? I didn't manage to catch the problem until much too late. So far I've only undone changes immediately after. I've never had to go back so far into an article's history before. -- Alternativity (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need to file a case in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography. Add  at the atart of the article/s in question. I think we should go to this level as we already talked with the user they didn't respond. I'll leave Alternativity to create the reasons.--Lenticel (talk) 23:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tondo, Manila]] 

message: A lot of anon IP edits have been done in various Philippine showbiz-related articles, ending up much like a fansite with lots of senseless and unverified information (i.e. a recent edit on Sarah Geronimo citing her as "#2 in the Philippines' Most Beautiful").  Is it possible that we put semi-protection on all such articles so we could monitor the fanboy activities? Starczamora (talk) 04:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can try at WP:RFPP, mostly it's a case-by-case basis, unless on some unique events (example: Cristy Fermin orders the vandalism of all GMA Network talents' articles, that's the time to do blanket semi-protect) --Howard the Duck 04:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  i think the issue is that their are not a lot of editors who enforce WP standards on the Filipino articles like their are for articles about showbiz in other nations. Look at some of the less popular showbiz articles in other countries and you'll see the same problem (and look at the edit history of popular showbiz articles). Overall entropy will push an articles into nothing more than a list of senseless and unverified information. The answer is more editors and bolder editors... not protection of said articles (unless you want all articles to be protected... that's a whole other debate) harlock_jds (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I told you so.  We should request a blanket semi-protect on all Philippine showbiz-related articles because we know how touchy warring fanboys tend to be (don't believe me? just look at Pinoy Exchange). Starczamora (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I enjoy reading PEX, especially on the GMTV forum (LOL). However it seems the vandals are targeting only Marian Rivera and Marimar. Others can be dealt with easily, like by blocking. --Howard the Duck 14:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

text: P.S.: I don't usually watch ABS articles but when I do a "drive-by" (when clean up a same class of articles), I usually keep watch of them for a few days until they're buried in my contributions link. And imposing a complete protect on one class of articles won't be approved, unless someone does my Cristy Fermin example above. --Howard the Duck 14:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A blanket semi-protect on all Philippine showbiz articles? 

message: A lot of new users are now circumnavigating the semi-protects and are now more malicious and blatant. --Howard the Duck 11:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I told you so.  We should request a blanket semi-protect on all Philippine showbiz-related articles because we know how touchy warring fanboys tend to be (don't believe me? just look at Pinoy Exchange). Starczamora (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I enjoy reading PEX, especially on the GMTV forum (LOL). However it seems the vandals are targeting only Marian Rivera and Marimar. Others can be dealt with easily, like by blocking. --Howard the Duck 14:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

text: P.S.: I don't usually watch ABS articles but when I do a "drive-by" (when clean up a same class of articles), I usually keep watch of them for a few days until they're buried in my contributions link. And imposing a complete protect on one class of articles won't be approved, unless someone does my Cristy Fermin example above. --Howard the Duck 14:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandals have stepped up 

message: Hi,
It is such an honor and wonderful feeling to be a part of a legendary TV show such as this, and what makes you even more proud to see it in one of the worldwidely used site such as wikipedia.org! I must congratulate you for doing such great job on this. I know how much effort and time it took you to come up with this wonderful material.
I was one of the hosts of that show and i just did a few corrections (i.e., spelling of my name: changed it to May from Mae, and also put in the complete name of Apol Arro which is April Rose Arro, etc.) I would appreciate it if someone from that network could keep in touch with me I surely miss TV Hosting!
<3
Cherry of Bongga! (Hosted 2006-2007)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitamincherry (talk • contribs) 21:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To: The BONGGA! Article Contributor 

message: I nominated this article for deletion.  Apparently, Arikasikis keep on removing the afd tag.  The user thinks that there was already a decision to keep the article, which there is no such decision because my afd nomination is fresh.  Can someone bring back the afd tag? I might violate the WP:3RR rule. --Jojit (talk) 07:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Lenticel. :) --Jojit (talk) 07:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Re-adding an AfD tag for an ongoing discussion falls under Wikipedia:3RR#Exceptions --- it's defined as vandalism under Wikipedia:Vandalism#Types of vandalism ("Avoidant vandalism"). So no need to worry =). Cheers, cab (talk) 23:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I saw that too, but it's harmless, at least for me. You can try MFD, though. --Howard the Duck 06:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, I think other uninvolved users can take care of that. I don't want to spoil this day :)--Lenticel (talk) 06:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Is this synonymous to Imperial Manila? Or the Luzon Empire exists up to this day? ;) --Jojit (talk) 06:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Newton Study Center]] 

message: See the article in Inquirer.net. I guess 99.9999% of Filipinos have not heard of Wikibooks, eh? --seav (talk) 16:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've actually heard about the CC-PH initiative about two weeks ago but didn't see the need to mention it yet. Anyway, I'll probably study how these local licenses are different from the vanilla ones. --seav (talk) 02:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Wikimedia Commons accepts the country-specific-variants of CC. Also, I don't know if you have licensed a work under CC-BY-SA 3.0, for example, is it automatically licensed under the country-specific-variants? --seav (talk) 02:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if this will work, but what about incorporating Bayanihan Books into Wikibooks proper, at least for the Tagalog-language content?  --Sky Harbor 12:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pinoy uses wiki model to make textbooks for public schools" 

message: Just a heads up. It seems that  and  arent enough to save the 2000 peso bill from probable deletion. I just thought you could help provide with fair-use rationales here.--Lenticel (talk) 06:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Jojit (talk) 06:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Jojit but I think all of our banknotes are affected since all have no FU's. --Lenticel (talk) 06:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Aside from the 1000 and 2000 bills, I think all of our bills should be "shrunk" to a lower resolution before adding fair-use rationales. I'm sorry bu I can't help in this part since I'm no expert on graphics.--Lenticel (talk) 07:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If the picture does not exceed 0.1 megapixels, it's just fine. Just like the case of the 2000 peso bill. --Jojit (talk) 07:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: How about the back? Image:Php_bill_2000_back.JPG --Exec8 (talk) 08:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done.  Probably, some of you can do the rest. Just copy the FU rational that I gave in the 2000 peso bill. --Jojit (talk) 09:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed the FU for the 1000 peso bill. I'm still uncomfortable with the others so I won't add rationales for them.--Lenticel (talk) 10:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probable deletion of Philippine currency, Needs FU 

message: I created this article today Timeline: 2008 Calls for Resignation of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, and suggested the merger of 
Philippine National Broadband Network controversy‎ into my created article in view of the paramount import and transcendental value of the "Gloria Resign" current event. Please contribute. Cheers. ----Florentino floro (talk) 14:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline: 2008 Calls for Resignation of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo]] 

message: Time to update this article. Sorry Seav, but my tibak senses is tingling. :)--Lenticel (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggested the merger of this article with my just created article, since the Filipino with bated breath, awaits the end of the political chaos that envelopes our country - Timeline: 2008 Calls for Resignation of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo‎. -- --Florentino floro (talk) 14:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh come on, another POV forked article when you've just contributed to other articles. This is very similar to your other "Timeline" article which was deleted. I suggest you tag it with  to avoid the AFD drama. --Howard the Duck 14:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Philippine National Broadband Network controversy]] 

message: O sa mga sawi. Tapusin niyo na lang ang backlog dito--Lenticel (talk) 03:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nilalagnat ako ng mga panaghong yan. hehe. --Efe (talk) 07:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy Valentines 

message: Hello all, this issue concerns specifically with the Palawan article and rankings in general. I put the NatGeo Traveller's ranking of Palawan where it's ranked 13th best, however two editors make it 27th. I reasoned that there are ties in the rankings []. Just now, I referenced the pdf link where it's written and ranked 13. Stating that Palawan is 27th best instead of 13th best maybe is a violation of WP:No Original Research as the reference states it as 13th, not 27th. How do we treat ties in ranking here? Jordz (talk) 10:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Use what the citation says. --Howard the Duck 11:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palawan ranking 

message: I have added a merge template on Timeline of Hello Garci scandal, to be merged with Hello Garci scandal. I dont see why a separate "timeline" should be created when the whole tale can be merged into a single article. Your thoughts are appreciated †Bloodpack† 09:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Coff! Once this article is trimmed down to its sufficient level, we can merge it to the main one †Bloodpack† 13:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually I did "merge" it to the NBN article somewhat... I took the statements of Joey DV III, current Senators and Noli de Castro and placed them in NBN-ZTE deal#Reactions. Plus also the Friday rally. --Howard the Duck 12:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  merger on [[Timeline of Hello Garci scandal]] 

message: I tried shortening this very long section but I gave up. Any takers? --Howard the Duck 14:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Manila Peninsula rebellion#Aftermath]] 

message: Please see the deletion reasons on:
* The Philippine STAR
* The Philippine Star
* Philippine Star
--seav (talk) 15:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I myself was dumbfounded when they appeared as red links. I think some Pinoy admin can restore this since they were all speedies. --Howard the Duck 15:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been restored. I'll be moving The Philippine STAR to The Philippine Star. --Howard the Duck 16:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Philippine Star article was deleted. WTF?! 

message: found this while searching dead-end pages. Anyways it seems to have "historical" data and not only daily logs so I think it might be a useful article. Then again I don't really watch TV. Anyways showbiz-inclined Tambays can improve it or send it to the kangkungan--Lenticel (talk) 12:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AFD it, since it has no sources, and sources will be hard to find. There is a fully-sourced List of Philippine television ratings for 2008, though. --Howard the Duck 12:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Lenticel (talk) 12:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Voted ^_^ †Bloodpack† 12:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno if this will "win"... lets see. I'll vote if someone objects. --Howard the Duck 12:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Philippine TV Ratings]] Afd? 

message: I noticed that the bio-article (of the man who made me suffer for 8 years - July 20, 1999 - preventive suspension), must be cleaned up, and written in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. A tag may be needed like current events, in view of his serious condition. On July 20, 2002, I filed a 20 pages Motion in Court predicting this hospitalization on February, 2008, and his imminent lingering illness, bedridden leading to painful death, and it happened while my article is for AFD by a Filipino editor. So, I want to prove that my long argument against the AFD deletion is not a rant, not a blog and valid thesis for mounting calls on GMA exit. Please take a day to day close encounter with the medical condition of Benipayo vis-a-vis hour to hour watch on PGMA Exit. Any UST users here? On February  22, 2008, 3 p.m., Alfredo Benipayo (Dean of the faculty of civil law at the University of Santo Tomas) was hospitalized in Iloilo City's Saint Paul's Hospital.  At the middle of his lecture before the Integrated Bar of the Philippines Iloilo Chapter in a hotel, he collapsed. gmanews.tv,  Ex-Comelec chief Benipayo rushed to hospital in Iloilo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florentino floro (talk • contribs) 06:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, my computer did not work, so I sign this. --Florentino floro (talk) 06:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Alfredo Benipayo]] article needs attention. 

message: As per WP:SPAM, WP:TALK and WP:BATTLE, I removed this section. It's seems to me that this is going to be an endless debate, you reply, I reply, you reply, I reply, blah blah. If you have any concerns, arising from the AfD of Florentino floro's article, go there. Any posts stemming out from that issue again will be deleted, NOW LET'S ALL MOVED ON! (fer Christ sake) †Bloodpack† 10:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "It's your choice. Wiki Rules must be interpreted, by reading their spirit and true intent, instead of offering in the altar of technicalities, the niceties and hodge-podge of farce or moro-moro debate, argument and discussion, where Filipino editors already decided before the AFD tag was placed. Let us make Wiki global and encyclopedic; and let us correct, rectify and straighten the bitter minds of Filipino editors who make Wiki good articles like mine, vandalized per subjective if not erratic application and interpretation of litany of Wiki rules. Please look at the policy behind these Rules. --Florentino floro (talk) 10:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Filipino editors who make Wiki good articles like mine" Ü. Sweet --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 04:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The best edits I ever had, are not my scholarly written Wikipedia articles on law, but my short edits on the current events supported by media links, on the horrible deaths, pains, illnesses and accidents of all those who made me suffer for 8 years since July 20, 1999: when Alfredo Benipayo signed my longest preventive suspensionin world judicial history. As I was writing my 700 pages book, on current, (the 357 pages first part was published last year), or yesterday, I included therein Benipayo's   angioplasty on February 21, 2001 which I did predict and cause, and yesterday, as the violet light struck when I was fighting for the AFD, I will prove to the entire world who googled me on April 6, 2006, that LUIS as king of kings of elementals, who wield for me the GIFT to block the vessels of my persecutors. And Wikpedia as encyclopedia is the best vehicle to make encyclopedic the events which would permanently make my footprints in the chronicles of judicial history and psychic phenomena.--Florentino floro (talk) 06:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

text: What is the connection of the psychic phenomena thing with the Tambayan and the AFD discussion? It's just derailing relevant discussions here at the Tambayan. It's tiring just to read. Let's just move on other stuff. --bluemask (talk) 06:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, let's just delete it and move on. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 08:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Noted Without Action. Make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia, and leave it as it is. - --Florentino floro (talk) 06:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of "Objection to deletion" section 

message: I think this article I mentioned really needs attention. It has been the subject of vandalism lately. Can someone help on this? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think she is non-notable because she is not a ringer for me and I don't think anyone knows her. That's why it's under AFD. BTW, it has been protected. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Isabel Blaesi]] article needs attention. 

message: Another regional notice board.  Wikipedia:Non-Tagalog Philippines. AFD, anyone? --Chris S. (talk) 20:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely, the original author has been going around Filipino Wikipedians campaigning for the "downfall" of Tagalog. Starczamora (talk) 00:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE...Now nominated for Mfd Starczamora (talk) 02:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Tagalog Philippines 

message: "Census of Population is the complete count of all residents, both Filipinos (including overseas workers) and foreigners who have stayed or are expected to stay for at least a year in the Philippines. 
Eleven censuses of population have been undertaken since the turn of the 20th Century: 1903, 1918, 1939, 1948, 1960, 1970, 1975, 1980, 1990, 1995 and 2000. 
Census enumeration started last August 1, 2007 and lasted for about 25 days. The National Statistics Office (NSO) is the sole government agency to undertake Census of Population and all other censuses by the National Statistical Coordination Board (NSCB). 
The population count by province, city, municipality, and barangay shall be released by February 28, 2008. The final count shall be considered official for all purposes upon proclamation by the President of the Philippines. Census data will also be made available in printed volumes and compact discs."  Source: census.gov.ph 
A heads up. Expect major edits in all LGU articles this March. --Exec8 (talk) 07:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we retain the 2000 counts into a demographics section somewhere? And indicate the growth rate over the 7 years? Also, I think this needs a task force with a checklist of sorts. --seav (talk) 09:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been thinking about this ever since I made the little municipality articles. Actually I was thinking there wouldn't be another census until 2010. I guess we could put in demographics sections, but what else could go in them other than the 2000 and 2007 population counts? TheCoffee (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See the Demographics section of Benguet for a nice example which also uses data from the 1995 census. --seav (talk) 02:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Has anyone seen the DBM allocation of Internal Revenue Allotment? They base it on the province's or municipality's land area and population (new provinces and municipalities are updated there with respect to their land area and population based on the 2000 census). However, if you were to analyze it, it will appear that Lanao del Sur is 3rd largest province. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 05:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Maybe we can come up with something like this? Though I know we don't have so much data to list down, let's just add as soon as they become available? FYI, I borrowed the table from the US State of Washington --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 08:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The official count of the population of the country based on the 2007 Census of Population conducted in August 2007 by the National Statistics Office (NSO) will be released in March. This was originally scheduled to be out this day. The NSO's intensified saturation drive to cover the smallest geographic area possible for greater accuracy and reliability in population count and the backing out of some census enumerators, resulted in unwanted delays in data processing. Census Press Release 16 --Exec8 (talk) 05:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 Census of Population of the Philippines 

message: A new article, Sergio Apostol, is in bad shape. Aside from general cleanup, POV check is also needed. --bluemask (talk) 04:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sergio Apostol]] needs cleanup 

message: Hey guys, a little help here in cleaning up would be appreciated.--Lenticel (talk) 08:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is generally the lack of sources.  I'll try to look into some.  BTW, I've removed a photo of jeepneys in Bacolod City because the mall is more prominently displayed than the vehicles. Starczamora (talk) 09:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jeepney]] 

message: Since the last update, we have tagged about 650 articles as part of the Philippine-related articles assessment drive. There are still approximately 4,300 articles left to tag. As can be seen from the graph, the assessment has slowed down since the start of last December. I think we can do better. Let's clear up the backlog, people! :-)
--From your self-appointed Assessment Department Chairman, seav (talk) 06:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment Department Update (March 2008) 

message: I would like to raise a concern regarding some anon users keeps on adding "upcoming" Philippine remakes of Mexican telenovelas, namely Maria Mercedes, Betty la Fea and others. I'm not sure if these "remakes" are true or just rumors. Please help me verify these remakes.. thanks! -Danngarcia (talk) 15:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The so-called Philippine remake of Maria Mercedes has been deleted for lack of sources.  Meanwhile, although there are talks about a Betty La Fea remake, I have yet to read ANY confirmed news that it is being produced (talks and speculations about who would play who are not valid). Starczamora (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippine remakes of Mexican telenovelas 

message: Hi. I wasn't the one who created the entry in Bathala where it expounds on where Bakonawa lives, but the section gave me the impression that "Kasanaan" meant Underworld.  SOmeone has since changed Kasanaan to Kasamaan, which means "Evil", not "Underworld." I'm not really that good at deep Tagalog. At any rate, that particular fact doesn't have a reference.  I personally dont want to delete it, though, because documentation on Philippine mythology can be so hard to find and is quite often a repetition of an oral telling anyway.  Anybody care to comment on Kasanaan? Is the correction to Kasamaan appropriate?Alternativity (talk) 20:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kasanaan entry in [[Bathala]] 

message: Ignore the drama surrounding that statement above in the blog. If the donation's true, then it's truly a wonderful thing, right? It makes our volunteering our time in Wikipedia that much more meaningful. :-)
In other news, Read-or-Die's Kristine Mandigma, which some of us met last year, is now editor-in-chief of WikiPilipinas. Whoa! --seav (talk) 14:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donation to Wikimedia from a student in the Philippines? 

message: Someone from the Federation of Fishpen & Fishcage Operators Associations of Laguna de Bay has just dumped a lot of data onto the Laguna de Bay wiki, and marked it as a minor edit.  It seems quite of the data is well referenced, but may not be NPOV. I don't acutally have time to go through all the details of the new edit yet, so I thought I'd give everybody the heads up. Alternativity (talk) 16:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Laguna de Bay]] needs looking into 

message: An article within the remit of this project has been nominated for deletion, please feel free to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human trafficking in Angeles City. Rockpocket 21:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human trafficking in Angeles City 

message: It's been more than a year since Dinagat Islands became a province but I finally got around to creating locator maps (in SVG!) of the province's towns. If I have time, I'll create ones for Shariff Kabunsuan and redo Surigao del Norte and Maguindanao (as well as redo the locator maps for those provinces themselves). --seav (talk) 14:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Idol! Just take note of the new towns like Datu Anggal Midtimbang, Maguindanao and like Northern Kabuntalan, Shariff Kabunsuan. If you have time to sort figure out the new Basilan, Sulu and Tawi-Tawi towns that's be great. I wanna learn SVG too. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 20:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome. :D TheCoffee (talk) 15:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Sibutu too. --Filipinayzd (talk) 19:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New locator maps for [[Dinagat Islands]]' towns 

message: Guys what is the more acurate DOST logo? This one or this one. Anyways both have FU problems. One is speedy tagged as orphan while the other is licensed as free. --Lenticel (talk) 07:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2-D one is more official. --Howard the Duck 11:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Never mind. I found one. consider this done.--Lenticel (talk) 05:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DOST logo 

message: Fernando Poe, Jr. is currently a nominee put on hold by a reviewer. I think Jojit is not around and its been there for a week. Any help? --Efe (talk) 10:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, Orange and Lemons is in bad form. --Efe (talk) 10:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm here. :) I'm just busy with real life. Probably, I will squeeze it on my schedule.  In any case, you are free to edit it as recommended by the reviewer. --Jojit (talk) 00:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current on hold nominee