Talk:Meindert Hobbema

message: This article is definitely in favor of boasting Hobbema's talents. Can anyone rewrite this in a neutral tone?
192.197.128.21 (talk) 18:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased 

message: Can anyone please tell me the history behind this painting?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.34.193 (talk) 12:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meinhert Hobbema - The Road Through The Wood 

message: the version you restored looks highly suspect to me. Feel free to remove the tag if you disagree obviously. Cheers. zzz (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. It is 99% EB 1911, see the tag at the bottom & the edit history. Tag removed. But we need a decent up to date version. The sources in the copyvio version were high quality; have you compared it with them?  Johnbod (talk) 03:15, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but I am comparing it to the entry in Grove Art, which doesn't mention anything about the controversy about dates, etc. zzz (talk) 05:53, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, I missed the relevant bit: "It was long thought that Hobbema all but ceased to paint after his marriage and his subsequent municipal appointment. However, a revised reading of previously accepted dates on a number of established paintings and the discovery of new works has resulted in the reassessment of a small body of late landscapes. Nevertheless, it is apparent that Hobbema’s activity as a painter greatly declined after 1668, and there are no certain paintings from the last two decades of his long life." That's not what the article states, though. Other than that (and a small bit of editorialising I just removed) I would agree it's probably ok.zzz (talk) 05:55, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

text: I never said it was "ok", just better than a one-line stub or a copyvio. Grove seems happy that the earliest dated painting is 1658, so I've removed one bit. But for example the "Ford collection" is long dispersed. As I keep saying, it needs a full rewrite. Johnbod (talk) 10:47, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad you agree it's not ok. Whether it was better than a stub containing all the external links and a couple of pictures, is debatable. zzz (talk) 01:24, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really! Compare. The ELs are all still there, but should probably not be. Johnbod (talk) 03:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original researcch 

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