Talk:Tokaji

message: This is only mentioned in the "Popular Culture" section. What is it? It sounds like the best of the best, but there is no definition of it in the article. 95.149.54.104 (talk) 10:31, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Imperial Tokay

message: Juro, OK if you insist then include the Slovak terms for types of wine in this article Scott Moore 13:38, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I just don't understand how you could make such an assumption about the confidence of a nation based upon a natural method (loanwords) by which language changes. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 16:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: You don't know what did the Poles did in Tokaji?? They bought the wine (or more specifically, significant exports went to Poland and hence Polish traders visited Tokaj). If the word szamorodni came from Slovak rather than Polish then why wasn't it recorded before the 19th century (after all, Slovaks had lived in the region since before szamorodni wine even existed)? Scott Moore 15:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I definitely agree with you about national myths.  Everyone has their national myths that get in the way of objectively studying their history and with Hungarians it is doubly difficult :) .  --Stacey Doljack Borsody 18:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Juro, why mixing viti/viniculture with other ongoing Hungarian-Slovakian disputes? Fifuszfc (talk) 20:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Aladar, the point is Scott's it was the Polish who bought the most amount of Tokaji wine in the 15-16th century. Of course, there is a similarity between the Polish and Slovakian versions of the word 'szamorodni': both are Slavic languages. Fifuszfc (talk) 20:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Sborsody, it is also diffucult with you, Slovakians. I wonder when can we agree even on very basic things like the continuity between the Hungarian Kingdom and the Hungarian Republic... The Slovakians are equal to Hungarians, this fact has nothing to do with the language, the viticulture or the form of rule. Sorry for being off. Fifuszfc (talk) 20:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could I remind my fellow editors that this is not a discussion site. Please keep material and postings not related to writing an encyclopedic article on Tokaji wines out of this talk page. I would appreciate it if you instead invested your time in providing this article with appropriate inline citations to reliable sources. Thank you for your understanding. Tomas e (talk) 21:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Is Aszú berries a term for botrytised grapes?  The section on Aszú wine says the process starts with picking those berries, but there's no explanation of what they are and I find very little reference to them on Google.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.29.74 (talk) 17:35, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion header

message: This article claims that Gustav III, King of Sweden, never had any other wine to drink. Now, since it was a well-known luxury product of its times, I don't have any problems in believing that he did drink the stuff, and probably liked it. But saying that he never drank any other wine is a pretty strong statement, and one that needs to be backed up with an inline reference, with page number if it refers to a book, which has to be credible. (Remember that many wine books and articles are more marketing-oriented than well-researched, and that some of their statements may need to be read with skepticism when forming the basis of an encyclopedic article.) What I do know is that Gustav III was a great francophile (French was probably the only language spoken at court), and that the wine most commonly imported to Sweden at the time was Rhenish, along with some French and various fortified wines. (I.e., a situation not entirely unlike the UK, but with probably more focus on Rhenish wine.) The contemporary poet Carl Michael Bellman, who had close connections with the court and whose lyrics frequently are about drinking, drank French wine the first time he was dead drunk, and has frequent references to Rhenish wine in his lyrics, but to the best of my knowledge, never to Tokaji. With that background, I would be very surprised if French and Rhenish wine weren't served at Gustav III's court, but a quick online search unearthed no Swedish web sources about his drinking habits.Come to think of it, some of the other claims of Tokaji drinkers should also be backed up with inline references, because this whole section is bordering on being non-encyclopedic. Tomas e (talk) 17:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Made a small start with citations, but RS yet to back up that Gustaf III was anything like an exclusive drinker :P   Just a small add to the Bellman note above, *somewhat* off-topic, just because it touches on an interest of mine..  it's my impression that his vast lyric references to beverages are mostly as generic as "vin" and "Bränvin" (although several mentions of "Rödt Vin" and more specific  "Hoglands vin" (Bordeaux), Frontignac (Muscat de Frontignan?) quite a bit "Mjöd" and "dubbelt Öl" and otherwise only 1 mention of Rhine I've found as in "friends [bottles] from Mosel and Rhen") MURGH disc. 19:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gustav III of Sweden & Tokaji wine

message: The article should begin with a straightforward, declarative sentence that, as briefly as possible, provides the reader who knows nothing at all about the article's subject with the answer to two questions: 
And NOT with a big bottle.
Warrington (talk) 20:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manual of style 

message: This is 'máslás', a derivated form of 'másolás', his "pair" is the 'fordítás'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.224.38.121 (talk) 13:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Not 'másolás'

message: This wine is famous, at least in English, as Tokay, not Tokaji. Are all, or most, of these "Tokaji drinkers" in fact Tokay drinkers?
That is almost certainly true of any of them who speak English.
Varlaam (talk) 22:07, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Famous consumers of Tokaji 

message: i believe that at hitlers wedding in the bunker, after the wedding in the reception, hitler and his guests at the wedding in the bunker drank tokai. can anyone else find this or know of this? thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mackdiesel5 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wine of all varieties is served at plenty of weddings, and considering Hitler was a teetotaler, this probably speaks more to the wine that was on hand in his bunker in Berlin and the tastes of those around him, rather than any specific Hitlerian preference for Hungarian wine.  Also, the link above states Hitler biographer John Toland mentions Tokay on Hitlers wedding (not supported by other Hitler sources).  I'd say it's way too unencyclopedic and lacks proper sources to include. -Ich (talk) 21:01, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  hitlers wedding