Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive/26

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# — Blue。 00:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Roll call: August

message: Can someone, anyone, please help fix the mess in Bahamut.  The FF VII entry was mentioned like at least 3 times through out the whole article, and is very unorganized. MythSearchertalk 17:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole article seriously needs a revamp. But concerning the FF entries, other FF summons did not get such treatment as Bahamut (the mentioning of its recurrence in FF titles, abilities, powers and the like), so something should be done about the whole section dedicated on unnotable FF entry. — Blue。 18:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to clean these articles up fast so they are notable. グレグ ジョーンズ 二世 20:56, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Notable how? Did you see the FF section for Bahamut? It could not exist as per Ifrit (Final Fantasy) and Shiva (Final Fantasy), so I removed it. — Blue。 21:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It should be merged in my opinion. It's trivial as an article, but a few sentences in Behemoth would definitely not be trivial. Bahamut did appear in D&D and other fantasy works; and even though there are unreliable sites claiming dubious stuff about Bahamut, I doubt these sites totally fabricated it (surely it must have originated somewhere in myth/literature). Kariteh 22:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for doing what is best. I've opened a merging discussion there as procedure. — Blue。 22:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bahamut]] 

message: WP:FICT has been updated significantly. One of the huge issues that will be mentioned by users (coming from the writer) is the sub-article concept; people will want to split off articles that are entirely plot summary and want an exception to the rule because of size issues. The only advice I can give is to trim; allowing entirely in-universe subarticles is a slippery slope. — Deckiller 11:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost as if on queue, a rewrite to lower the standards is being proposed. But let's be realistic; this was to be expected. I might propose wikiproject-specific notability guidelines that can be as strict or more strict than the "central" FICT. — Deckiller 20:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:FICT rewrite

message: I will be launching an FA drive for FFV, FFII and FFXI. By all means, join me!　おねがいします。 Greg Jones II 18:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in! I already started working on FFXI!! Judgesurreal777 19:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now requested peer reviews at Wikipedia:Peer review/Final Fantasy II/archive1 and Wikipedia:Peer review/Final Fantasy V/archive1. Greg Jones II 19:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: This message is for every one who wants to join me: good luck and no turning back! Greg Jones II 18:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Anyone else who wants to join do so now. :D Greg Jones II 13:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FF FA drive 

message: After thirteen years, I'm finally getting what is a rough translation of the FFVI Ultimania.  So far, I've gotten Kefka's profile.  It's actually some pretty interesting stuff; gives some info on his childhood (he's Thamasan actually, and was raised as an orphan and was routinely the outcast and was made fun of).  Also, I didn't do the translation, an FF Wiki contributor is doing it.  He's working on Celes' right now. --Sir Crazyswordsman 23:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's awesome. Is the translator going to post it on the internet somewhere when he's finished? Axem Titanium 20:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I am not sure, Axem, but the translator might. Greg Jones II 21:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Before FFVIII, apparently, it was called "Master's Guide" or something (see here). I assume this is what CSM is talking about. Axem Titanium 22:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed one for Final Fantasy IV for sale here. Sounds intriguing - I just wish I knew more Japanese. ~ Hibana 23:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry too much about the FFIV one, there's already a translation for it here. Axem Titanium 04:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the FFIV one has lots of interesting information (all in-universe though). It's probably the 75% of the plot that Tokita said was ommited in the original versions but that will be readded in the Nintendo DS remake. Kariteh 08:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bringing FFVI stuff back to the spotlight. 

message: Hey everyone, I finally got around to this idea I had a while back. It basically involves nested templates to combine the bottom navboxes on each game article into one. You can take a look at it in my Sandbox; the constituent templates are User:Axem Titanium/FF navbox and User:Axem Titanium/FF navbox individual. What do you all think? Axem Titanium 17:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is good, although the User:Axem Titanium/FF navbox needs FFXIII in the list however as per the previous consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive/24#WP:FF stance on including unreleased games in navboxes for including FFXIII in the list (like it has been done with the MGS template for MGS4). Greg Jones II 18:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Navboxes page have been debated for quite some time and are no longer active. Greg Jones II 18:39, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: And I have now updated the FF navbox template to include your ideas, Axem Titanium. Greg Jones II 02:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to do that yet, let some more discussion happen. Axem Titanium 02:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sorry about that Axem. Greg Jones II 02:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Just to let anyone know, the consensus for putting FFXIII back in the Template:Final Fantasy series is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive/24#WP:FF stance on including unreleased games in navboxes. Greg Jones II 02:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It could be reintroduced, Deckiller. Greg Jones II 16:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried fiddling with some of the parameters but I couldn't figure out how to get the right color. Maybe I'm not well-versed enough in template lore. Axem Titanium 16:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about anyone else, but it seems to be a browser issue; the colors look fine on the computer I'm working on right now and I haven't done anything. Another issue is that I can't seem to get the tnavbar (the thing with the view/edit/discuss) to align properly to fit with all browsers. Anyone better-versed in template syntax is welcome to help. Axem Titanium 17:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What advantage does this have over the current templates? Kariteh 14:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navbox proposal 

message: I thought they shouldn't all be merged? Kariteh 09:03, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No Not all, that was my mistake to type that, just the ones that dont deserve their own articles. The standard for a lone article was set my Deckkiller I believe. Gavin Scott 11:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With the new WP:FICT, it might change slightly. But I'm fairly certain there is enough real-world info to warrant articles for Cloud, Sephiroth, Tifa, Aerith, and most likely Vincent and Zack. I recommend searching critical reviews, interviews, and that flaregamer article used on Characters of Final Fantasy VIII; there's probably a boatload. — Deckiller 13:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FFVII characters

message: I've created an SVG version of the logo, what does everyone think? Also, is there any particular reason why we use :Image:Gamepad.svg instead of :Image:FF project logo.png in a lot of places in this project? Anomie 16:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good, better to use SVG since it's a more versatile format. Axem Titanium 17:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Versatility doesn't seem to be necessary for this icon, since it's never used at more than 40px of width. I think the PNG should be kept because it's less heavy in terms of file size. Kariteh 14:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject logo 

message: Spira has been listed for GA review. Comment, fix, etc. at Good article review. Kariteh 22:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also notified at WP:SE. Greg Jones II 00:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spira GAR 

message: :Image:Ffvii worldmap new.png is up for IFD here. Axem Titanium 18:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Ffvii worldmap new.png]] IFD 

message: Release dates in many Final Fantasy articles are not referenced. I once added references to Final Fantasy IX, but not many (any?) others have them. Is there a reason for this? The release date should be the one of the most important things to reference. --Teggles 08:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is this going, Teggles? — Deckiller 21:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Release dates

message: This section has been updated to reduce the length. It has reduced 4,000 characters (from around 11,000 to 7,000). The problem? It has more paragraphs, no wikilinks, no references, is ambiguous, and is poorly written. The previous revision has less paragraphs, valid wikilinks, has references, and better written. I would say well-written content is more important than length. This is why I have reverted it. An updated story section can still be worked on, but only until it is actually better (not just shorter).  --Teggles 07:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Anyway, story sections are such a pain to write though; when you think it's perfect and you come back several months later, you want to change it completely. It needs a good massage. — Deckiller 10:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: irritating, yes, but agreed. lets hope someone is willing to do it. i dont have the time anymore Kiran 11:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a Featured Article with a stub section at the bottom, so the rest of the article has be topnotch for people not to contest its FA status. The reverted story section was not up to FA standard, while the current one is; and I don't think it's too long. Reducing it by 75% was highly, highly unrealistic anyway. Kariteh 11:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It still needs reducing, and that's no lie. We aren't here to duplicate the game's entire plot. The plot is very intricate, but I'm sure some of the less important stuff can be cut out. I really need to do some work myself on Wikipedia, so I'll try to bother. :( --Teggles 11:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, here's a list of RPGs with more in-depth plots: Xenogears, Xenosaga Episode I, Xenosaga Episode II, Xenosaga Episode III, Suikoden III, Suikoden V, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy IX, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy Tactics, Ogre Battle 64, and Star Ocean: Till the End of Time. — Deckiller 11:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Did I miss any? :) — Deckiller 05:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably, but who's counting? :) Axem Titanium 17:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Woah; the summary still needs trimming by at least 40 percent. It's almost 1,900 words when it should ideally be approximately 1,000. I'm taking the resolved tag off. Is anyone interested in trimming that summary? — Deckiller 21:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Final Fantasy VII#Story]] 

message: It's getting there. With some polishing and a final sweep for references, it can probably go to FAC fairly soon. — Deckiller 12:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, I'll head over for a copyedit sometime soon. Axem Titanium 13:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The article looks nice, but the development section definitely needs expanding. At this point I'd oppose to FA, but I'm very pedantic, so it'll probably pass anyway. It's disappointing that sources for this are hard to obtain. The only sources are old, from magazines, in Japanese, and are hard to obtain. I can't imagine anything harder to research than (relatively) old Japanese video games. :( Anyway, there's some comprehensive Nobuo Uematsu sites, so I'll look through them for something. --Teggles 08:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Ummmm... unfortunately on hold, for me; I've been working on Kingdom Hearts related stuff (I'm a blood traitor, so sue me). I'll get on it as soon as I'm done, which should be no later than tomorrow or the day after. Axem Titanium 01:16, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry about it. — Deckiller 16:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' FA push

message: If consensus is reached for WP:FICT to be scaled back, then we might want to propose WikiProject-specific notability guidelines that can introduce a variety of notability standards based on the group consensus of the WikiProject (as long as it's at least as strict as the main). This will help us maintain a high standard even if such a standard cannot be met across Wikipedia (since not everything has as much real-world info available as Final Fantasy). We'll see what happens. Thoughts? — Deckiller 19:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should FICT be scaled back at all? I wouldn't object to our project-specific guidelines to be a carbon-copy of the current FICT. Axem Titanium 21:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I want to make it very clear, Deckiller, that I and probably many others would agree that the guide to writing about fiction should not be loosened for anyone. I and many others have merged or moved content (many times that we wrote!) out of wikipedia because it was not encyclopedic, and we shouldn't have people changing what "encyclopedic" means because they want their cruft to stay. Judgesurreal777 21:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Woah woah woah. I don't want to scale back WP:FICT (I wrote the current version that raised the bar), but many others have expressed an interest in rewriting the rewrite. If you have thoughts, post them in the bottom thread at WT:FICT. — Deckiller 22:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL I know YOU don't want to do that, I meant to express a kinda "don't give up the fight" sentiment. I think we should keep the bar high, and let those who want it changed to know that too, on behalf of many of us. Judgesurreal777 22:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject-specific notability

message: I would like to double check this game's release date, as 50% of the sites I go to credit september 30, and the others october 5. The page doesn't source this info. Is there any official source that could clarify which one it is? Wikipedia:WikiProject Final Fantasy/Release dates also says September 30, but it could just be a copy paste from the anthology page, for all I know. Thankyou.happypal (Talk | contribs) 17:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This official press release implies that it was shipped on October 5, 1999. --Teggles 03:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok thanks. In that case, the two above pages need to be modified. happypal (Talk | contribs) 04:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Final Fantasy Anthology]] Release date