Talk:ReactOS/Archive 1

message: i'm surprised this isn't touted as the next linux.
(written by User:165.134.155.123)
:I think the two are sufficiently different in stated goals that comparison falls short in many ways.  That said, from my lurking on the ReactOS developers list, the ReactOS developers seem a very mature bunch of individuals without any "grudge" against Linux per se (aside from mere personal preference for a windows-like environment than a UNIXish one).  The beauty of open source software is that good ideas (and even code, when possible) is freely given and shared between any interested project developers.
:--Ryanaxp 17:24, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
::I think once it's a little more fully developed, it will appeal to a lot of people - those who want to break out of the microsoft monopoly without totally switching the type of OS that they use.  --4.245.4.55 07:54, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The next Linux? 

message: Someone needs to bring more attention to this OS because even they agree that they need more developers. (April 9, 2005, 9:21PM)
: Wikipedia's purpose is to be an encyclopedia, it should not attempt to spur extra interest in a particular project, even if it is a good project. - James Foster 17:25, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention to article 

message: The last paragraph of the "criticism" section (about fulfillment) doesn't really seem to fit there with the rest of the stuff, so I'm gonna try and move it...  Blackcats 08:57, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you're right. I've edited the sentence. Cristan 22:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section and reorg 

message: It would be nice if someone could update/remove update the images, because they are all outdated, except the desktop one which does not fit in "future". Screenshots can be found on http://frik85.reactos.at and the remastered logo on http://wiki.reactos.com/mf --User:213.54.71.145 14:41, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
:Shouldn't be hard to do if you've the notion. Remember, Be Bold! --Ryanaxp 19:01, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
::I did as ready replace a old with a OO.org one. I could not do it that day because my IP was blocked in Commons. (I did nothing wrong)   --213.54.65.95 18:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ToDo 

message: I just added an OS info box (modified from the Windows XP one) and moved a couple of the pictures into it.  Everything is accurate as far as I know, but feel free to make any neccesary changes...  Blackcats 20:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: While the accusations might not be true or might be considered fair use, Hartmut still made the accusation. I don't see what reason there is from not showing this.
Also this note is posted on the ros front page showing just how serious the project is taking this accusation:
Accusations have been made by some of ReactOS' own developers about certain parts of ReactOS code. The project is suspending development pending legal council. The project will resume once the issue has been rectified.Reub2000
According to a new post on the the ros-dev mailing list, the inner circle has decided to go through the code to make sure that it is all clean room implementations. This is part of the history of ReactOS, and wikipedia isn't here to censor this type of information. Reub2000 01:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Wikipedia is not for faning the flames of a possibly untrue allegation. 

message: This is expected to set the project back by a lot as it could take years to complete the audit and rewriting of affected parts of the source code.
They started less then a month ago as I write this, and it seems like they're over halfway done (as the ReactOS website says). Permission to change, cap'n?  68.70.108.247 16:59, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ReactOS Audit 

message: Has anyone tried this operating system? and does it work with windows drivers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.35.215 (talk • contribs) 
:I have tried it for a few minutes.  What does work seems a bit shaky at the moment, but it's pretty far along in development.  But really, a ReactOS mailing list would be a better choice for such questions; this talk page is for the development of the Wikipedia article. --Chris (talk) 06:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not try it out yourself? Reub2000 06:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has anyone tried this? 

message: (2006-09-22) Just to let you know.  The purpose of selecting an article is both to point readers to the article and to highlight it to potential contributors.  It will remain on the portal for a week or so.  The previous selected article was PuTTY. Gronky 11:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The selected article has rotated again and is now Wine. Gronky 22:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On [[Portal:Free software]], ReactOS is currently the selected article 

message: The official ReactOS website seems to be unreachable. Does anyone know why it's down? - Cire, Oct, 28 2006
:The topic of the #reactos channel on Freenode currently says:
::ReactOS server (DNS, svn and website cache) main server is down, sorry for any inconvenience | russian based webhoster cause the downtime, fireball will switch to another hoster probably on monday
:-- intgr 16:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The website works again. Cristan 15:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ReactOS website down? 

message: The site currently states that the audit is complete. This is just a bug in the website:
IRC quote:
phoenix64: The audit is done? Woohoo... Very Happy
Christoph_vW: no
phoenix64: no?
phoenix64: "100.0% complete"
Christoph_vW: the progress bar is wrong
phoenix64: Neutral 
Cristan 11:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently the website states that the audit is at 95.9%, so it seems the progress bar works again. Cristan 12:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh well; hopefully it won't be too long before its at 100% :) -- Limulus 06:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now 100% again though. --Iyeru42 (talk) 19:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audit at 100% 

message: The HW requirements have been reduced (officially) due to changes in the newest version  —Precedingunsigned comment added by 134.36.93.46 (talk) 02:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  HW Requirements wrong - please FIX! 

message: There is now a screenshot at the page of the new ReactOS bootscreen. I think this one should be removed for now, because this new bootscreen won't be available until at least 0.3.1. Without an explanation, it will only make the article unclear. When the new bootscreen is available in ReactOS, the image should be uploaded in Wikimedia commons because it is GPL and when hosted there, it is available at other language wikipedia's as well. - Cristan 14:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I meant: it isn't available yet in the current stable version. You can't expect every user in Wikipedia who downloads ReactOS to download an SVN build. I think it's confusing for people to not see this bootscreen after downloading and running ReactOS. The screenshot should either mention that it will be in 0.3.1 or the screenshot should be removed. - Cristan 09:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Still no reaction back. I'm removing the image now. Cristan 11:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boot screen 

message: According to the information available, the  is for articles that are undergoing massive changes in traffic due to being a truly current thing.  That would imply that it has to be new, popular, etc.  Examples of things that were at one point or another current events were things like Hurricane Katrina and Execution of Saddam Hussein—neither of which are current events any longer because they’re “yesterday’s news”.
That having been said, if there is a section that becomes active in this article, it certainly should get the  tag.  Perhaps when the next release comes out or whatever.  Then it would be appropriate, at least for a short time.  —Mike Trausch (fd0man, Talk Page) 21:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[ReactOS]] is not a current event. 

message: Should 0.3.0 really be called stable? This isn't even beta yet. Is it referred to as (relatively) stable within the project?
It seems to me that calling any version stable could be misleading, to those who don't know what alpha software is. Jobarts-Talk 06:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're right. 0.3.0 is far from stable. We should do it like Beryl. With latest stable version "N/A" and latest preview version (in this case) "0.3.0". Cristan 11:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if this was changed and reverted, but I'm going to make the change. Althepal 02:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest stable release 

message: If no one has any comments or suggestions, I'm going to add a section about the possible patent infringement in ReactOS. I plan on using for a reference, and likely this quote from that page, "As a rule, patents are fundamentally incompatible with Free Software..." With the multiple acussations leveled from Microsoft against patent infringment in the opensource community I think this deserves at least a mention in the article. --Android Mouse 04:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patent issues 

message: All the current screenshots play out the idea that the OS is working fine. This is far from true, with system crashes around every corner. Can there be one screenshot of an error happening? And maybe fewer other screenshots? Althepal 02:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Major errors in ReactOS cause the fated Blue Screen of Death, which--like on Windows--cannot be captured very well. The system shutdown also results in a blue screen of death; although it only says that it is safe to turn off the computer. --76.201.144.238 (talk) 14:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error screenshots 

message: Don't worry, this comment isn't as negative as it looks :-) . I just wanted to suggest that the article would be better with a section discussing why ReactOS is being built. What is the goal of the project, who are the intended users, what is the reason for reimplementing an operating system that's already widely (if not freely) available?PeteVerdon 16:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure this info could be found on their site, but I'm pretty sure it was made to provide a non-unix (completely Windows-compatible) operating system under a free license. Because, not everybody wants to use Linux (and Linux with wine cannot support every program for windows), and it is for people who want a free alternative. Those who can afford windows will probably stick with them for a better guarantee of it working + the ability to run Microsoft software that won't install on anything other than genuine Windows, but this os is for everybody else. Althepal 03:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another reason AFAIK is the ability to use Windows drivers would enable people to use hardware that isn't supported on *nix on a free OS Nil Einne 20:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep in mind, Windows supports *nix methods to a degree on its own. Since both Windows and MacOS were based off of Unix.--76.201.144.238 (talk) 14:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How was Windows based on Unix? MacOS, yes, but Windows? 193.203.85.98 (talk) 14:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't confuse the outer "look and feel" layers of an OS with the actual inner workings of it. Windows internals (i.e., the NT kernel) certainly is more inspired by Unix than by MacOS. (But even more NT is inspired by VMS, as is of course well known.) TorLillqvist (talk) 09:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Another (new, 2008) reason why ReactOS is potentially important is Microsoft's announced withdrawal of WinXP. If you buy one of those little Asus Eee PC laptops running Linux, and you want to run Windows software on it, Microsoft will no longer sell you a separate copy of XP. They'll happily sell you a copy of Vista, but Vista won't run on that hardware. I own a bit of PC gear, and none of it will run Vista. I've also invested a certain amount of time and money in Windows applications that don't have Linux versions. And at some point the XP updates and compatibility fixes are going to stop. So, if ReactOS is working by then, and it's any good, I'll probably consider moving all my WinXP gear over to ReactOS. Similarly, if I buy a nice laptop next year, I'd much rather have it running XP than power-hungry Vista, but XP is no longer a "retail" option on new laptops with decent amounts of power. So I'd have to consider taking an old existing copy of XP off a different machine (and replacing it with ReactOS), or simply deleting Vista and installing ReactOS on the laptop as an "upgrade" to Vista. It depends how long it takes ReactOS to be ready: if I was ASUS, I'd consider bunging a few grand into the ReactOS donations fund, and making pointed suggestions that the EEE range be treated as a "milestone" platform for the OS. ErkDemon (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I'd like to correct you there. NT (NT 3.x, NT 4, 2k, XP, Server 2k3 (And ReactOS, it's open-source clone), Vista, Server 2k8 and 7) is not actually built upon DOS. It's closest relative is actually OS/2, which was influenced by PC/DOS. 81.135.45.150 (talk) 14:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the point? 

message: 9x, NT, XP, what? 66.28.178.67 16:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard "NT", "Serve 2003," and "XP" float around the forum. I think it is NT. Althepal 17:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: XP is part of the NT family. I heard they were aiming for the feature level of Windows 2000, though. - Sikon 03:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: "The ReactOS architecture is based on that of Microsoft Windows NT 4.0" and "The original target for ReactOS, with regards to driver and application compatibility, was Microsoft Windows NT 4.0. Since then, Microsoft Windows 2000 and Windows XP have been released. Microsoft Windows 2000 and Windows XP are both descendants of Windows NT. As such we can gradually shift our compatibility target without worrying about the architecture changing too much. In fact, internally, Windows 2000 reports version information as Windows 5.0 and Windows XP as Windows 5.1. The ReactOS team have decided to maintain Windows NT 4.0 as the official compatibility target. This is because most of the resources, articles and books on Windows NT/2000/XP technology are written for Windows NT 4.0. This does not mean that features present in later versions of Windows NT based operating systems will not be implemented in ReactOS." -- Limulus 07:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Its NT4 as SAMBA (on which they will be basing the networking) is based on the NT4 style domain model rather than the newer XP style Active Diretcory model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.216.130 (talk) 11:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Windows is this supposed to clone? 

message: 62.56.77.93 just made an edit removing:
As of December 2007 the audit is nearly 100% complete, with only 3 files still locked. To date, no suspect code has been uncovered.
commenting "Remove links... - Not relevant audit has moved to being internal"
What does that mean?  The audit is still ongoing?  I don't see any news on the ReactOS homepage... -- Limulus (talk) 16:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the edit, the change wasn't encyclopedic or accurate. Either the audit is finished (most likely) or the pages aren't up right now. So now it's probably clear, let's just wait for an official word. Althepal (talk) 20:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've done a huge edit of that section to put things in the actual perspective (kind of what of the edits by 61.56.77.93 meant). It is only an internal developer audit, nothing official or public. It was only done by the developers so they would ensure the project is 100% legit, and they have accomplished this end. I am unsure if there actually was any code that has undergone or needs to undergo re-writing, but that is all being taken care of internally. Althepal (talk) 21:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is that actually true, from an objective viewpoint? The Wine people are still refusing to re-sync ReactOS-brewed patches on copyright grounds, aren't they?Chris Cunningham (talk) 23:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some reactOS' dll's have more features which aren't required for wine. With others there is a good cooperation (as far as I've heard). I have never heard about about Wine refusing ReactOS dll's because of copyright claims and I've followed the project for quite some time now. That combined with this post leaves no evidence that Althepal's edits/information is wrong.  —Precedingunsigned comment added by Cristan (talk • contribs) 01:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  While I can't find the quote I'm looking for (I'm pretty sure Mike McCormack stated flat-out that wine work wouldn't be merged because its non-taintedness couldn't be confirmed), at the bottom of this section Stephen Edwards says that "The general policy is to no longer accept code from ReactOS". Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:54, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audit at 100% (again) 

message: Future direction isn't encyclopedic commentary. This should be reworked back into prose covering what has actually happened. The ROS site has its own wiki for this kind of thing. Chris Cunningham (talk) 19:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roadmap 

message: Release date of version 0.6 was 2008, however the official reactos roadmap page didn't specify any date so i changed it to Unset. IngerAlHaosului(talk) 11:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made modifications to Version history and roadmap 

message: Although I don't know if this has been confirmed by the ReactOS Team itself, but not all touchpads seem to work. Some jerk the mouse to random directions, causing unwanted clicks. I have filed a bug for this, here (3048) --76.201.144.238 (talk) 14:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Touchpad Support 

message: "...which at this point can fit better than a full featured operating system."
The intent of this statement is unclear and the grammar is a bit odd. Pocket PCs can fit ReactOS Better? Why wouldn't one have a full-featured OS on a Pocket PC? 
(TheGZeusNeedsToRegisterAgain)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.33.45 (talk) 18:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That says they are making a "Windows Mobile" or "Windows CE" equivalent, because PocketPCs have greatly limited to nonexistent expandability ports and a tiny screen, plus they have very limited memory, storage, and processing speeds. That is why such devices are loaded with minimalistic operating systems aimed at the device's intended use: PDA.Althepal (talk) 23:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Achitechture Support 

message: The first paragraph says ReactOS contains only free software that was written by clean room means. However, later in the article it is mentioned that ReactOS contains some code directly from Microsoft and who's license is under an MS EULA. So clearly the project is not entirely reversed engineered. And unless this EULA is considered free software, it's not entirely free software either. 68.62.174.138 (talk) 19:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph later contridicted 

message: Article needs to be split so version history has its own page. Iyeru42 (talk) 01:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Like "Development of ReactOS"? idk, do you think it's an important enough OS? And it could really just be summarized in one sentence: "ReactOS is expected to be completed in the second half of the 21st century." Althepal (talk) 18:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How about reducing it down to major features and changes only? A version by version review goes beyond what is encyclopedic. Reub2000 (talk) 21:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've implemented the Version History Table. It should take up less space, however, I have also removed the citations. DO NOT revert the table if you want the citations back. Instead, use the History function of the article to get old citations. 68.185.166.207 (talk) 15:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The same issues exist here. There is an emphasis of tracking every little change made to the tree. Reub2000 (talk) 07:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cut it down a bit. 24.241.229.253 (talk) 23:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. Between every release the developers make a few thousand changes. just eg. see the shortened list for the ongoing release at http://reactos.org/wiki/ChangeLog-0.3.11 . it hink, if someone has the time to research and create the "Development of ReactOS"-page then, he/she should do it. and yes, it is an important enought os. ReactOS even made the second place in the 3 important categorys of the sourceforge-community-choice-award! 75.170.61.39 (talk) 08:16, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Version History Into Own Article 

message: This article did not manage to pass its GA review due to lack of sources establishing notability, see here. The ReactOS site contains a listing of third-party articles that may prove useful to anybody making further improvements to the article in this respect, see here. Of note is the column written by John C. Dvorak of PC Magazine. -- LoneRifle (talk) 11:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Establishing greater notability through inclusion of more sources 

message: Infobox needs to be changed to "Latest preview release" -- this 'aint stable. Althepal (talk) 00:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. 24.241.229.253 (talk) 14:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Latest stable release" 

message: Can someone make a show link or something that will expand/collapse the versions of ReactOS table? It's going to get pretty long in time to come. Because the people of wikipedia obviously don't want a separate "Releases of ReactOS" article. 24.241.229.253 (talk) 14:58, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Airplaneman talk 06:08, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Versions of ReactOS - Collapsible 

message: A lot of the information in this article doesn't mention any kind of time, only things like "currently", "to this day", "on-going". It is very unclear - when did it start? When was the information updated? I've added Template:Time-context to note this, and it might need some Template:When. However, I think that there are just too many places with unclear time, even in the heading there are around 3 vague time references, so When might get too repetitive. --GreatEmerald (talk) 22:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I need an example of how we can rephrase the statements that you have pointed out. In addition, I would like to avoid use of "As of {this date}", since it implies that at a later time the information in the article would be outdated.LoneRifle (talk) 09:11, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good right now. I don't see any more reasons to keep the warning, so it's removed. --GreatEmerald (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time context 

message: Is this mentioned anywhere in the article? If so, I must've missed it. If it is not included in the article, I strongly recommend sourcing something to back it up, for exa: "Like with most Linux distributions, ReactOS does not come with Non-Free Codecs such as MP3, WMV, etc. support." 24.240.67.71 (talk) 08:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I still see that it is not included in the article. If this continues to be so, I may have to add it in myself (causing GA to fail due to citation needed.) People need to know that, even though their programs may run, MP3/etc. will not, unless they get their codecs in a non-legal way. (I haven't seen a codec package that includes MP3 that you have to pay for, to use, on windows. In fact, I haven't seen ANY MP3 codec that will be installed on Windows, as Windows ALREADY HAS MP3.) Not trying to sound frustrated here, but it's the truth. MP3 codecs will not expire until 2018 either, so if ReactOS becomes Beta before then... well.... 71.87.112.255 (talk) 14:31, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Irrelevant to the discussion of the operating system itself. Read Winamp#Plug-ins and VLC media player#Readable formats to understand why.--LoneRifle (talk) 12:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't see MPEG-3 under audio in VLC. 68.190.126.146 (talk) 05:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: MP3 stands for Mpeg-1 Audio level 3, not to be confused with MPEG-3. --LoneRifle (talk)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.228.82.171 (talk) 09:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: VLC doesn't say MP3 nor MPEG-1 Audio Level 3. 68.190.126.174 (talk) 16:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Look under Readable formats: Audio formats. LoneRifle (talk) 12:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doesn't Include Non-Free codecs such as MP3, which Windows Has? 

message: The beginning of the article is a little bit ambiguous. Windows version 5 is XP, Vista is 6 and of course there is the new Windows 7. However, NT5 covers 2000-2003 (including XP) and NT6 is from Vista onwards.  --213.130.252.119 (talk) 22:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: it is deliberately so. the ReactOS kernel supports the 2k3 kernel api, while the rest of it (win32k etc) currently targets NT6. if the reader needs clarity after reading the introduction he will get his answers by reading the Development section of the article. --LoneRifle (talk) 12:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows versions 

message: Just FYI: The reactos websites seem to be offline, and have been for a few days now. 82.168.66.131 (talk) 11:44, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Down ? 

message: Fixing "Internal Audit"
The section for Internal Audit explains the process of the audit itself before explaining the cause for the audit.  For the sake of encyclopedic value, I suggest the paragraphs should be reorganized to read like:
"The claim was made on January 17, 2006 by now former developer Hartmut Birr on the ReactOS Developers mailing list (ros-dev), stating that ReactOS contained code derived from disassembling Microsoft Windows.[6]. The code that Birr disputed involved the function BadStack in syscall.S[7] as well as other unspecified items.....
In a separate incident, RosAsm developer Betov claimed that the most suspect files were missing from the list of files selected for the audit. However, ReactOS asserts that the disputed files were sourced from Sanos.[11] In the meantime, since the initial lockout, the source code of ReactOS has remained available and open for inspection.
On January 27, 2006, ReactOS decided to temporarily suspend access to files of the operating system for non-developers, after a meeting to verify a claim that ReactOS had been tainted with copyrighted code from Microsoft. ...
Consequently, ReactOS clarified that its Intellectual Property Policy Statement requirements on clean room reverse engineering conform to US law. An internal source code audit was conducted to ensure that only clean room reverse engineering was used, and all developers were made to sign an agreement committing them to comply with the project's policies on reverse engineering.[4]..."
...That way, the cause and effect is clearly demonstrated.  The World War II article doesn't begin with combat operations and end explaining why all those combat operations were necessary.  The audit was the result of Harmut Birr and Betov's accusations, therefore, they should be described before the audit.  Any series of events should be described in chronological order.
:Feel free to change it. This was originally structured that way because I was preparing for the event that the reviewer insists on removing the text referencing the SVN repository and mailing list. -- LoneRifle (talk) 14:19, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point, go ahead. -- LoneRifle (talk) 14:19, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Quick Issues 

message: I can't find any direct third-party references to David Welch and ReactOS on the web, much less his background (although there are a few mailing list entries that do indicate that he was active on L4 Fiasco, and has an Oxford Uni email address. The comment is pretty non-sequitur anyway, and people are more interested in the project than they are in the developers. Unless we can further complement up the blurb with a good reference, and maybe some material about Alex Ionescu (notable, since he was the one whose inclusion in the team caused a good number of the original developers to depart), I suggest we take it down. LoneRifle (talk) 06:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Welch non-sequitur in History 

message: Is the wiki place for stupid ads? I don't think so. 
To moderators - please take attention:
a) page has NO "WOOS" entries, NO references
b) nobody knows what is WOOS, it is the same joke as BolgenOS (http://www.clearfoundation.com/Community/Videos/VPF/Video.html?videoid=66, 
Text: No, that's not an joke. It is time to get acquainted. This is a great liar Popov. And the journalists' incompetence made them funny. Russian IT community can't stop laughing. Let's laugh together.) except the "author"
 asked Russian president for 1 million dollars to sell him the FREE OS. 
Look at Google - There is no sites about WOOS except Wikipedia.
I think the photos must be removed and if somebody wants to tell about this joke - add an "Interesting facts". I'm not native English speaker, but I'd write smth like this:
A Russian school student Karatov offered to Medvedev (link) own build of ReactOS and said that he is writing this OS himself and he can release the OS if he will get 1 million euros.
Take a look on comments:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhabrahabr.ru%2Fblogs%2Fos%2F127514%2F
Alexeysim06 (talk) 22:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They now don't exist on the article after I purged the server cache. But concerning your comments, please be civil (all-capital letters is considered shouting), we don't have moderators (the closest thing to them are administrators) and content is not moderated by a select few, and please do not make statements attacking other groups or people (our neutral point of view policy). But I support removing the images because of our notability policy.Jasper Deng (talk) 22:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to revert an edit from User:TarzanASG which attempted to restore the offending images. I'm not as heavily involved with Wikipedia as some of you might be, so could anybody please follow up with the user to go over with him the notion of notability? Thanks. --LoneRifle (talk) 10:43, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Medvedev demo is now notable. I've added a reference to the BBC news article and restored a previously removed photo. No reference to WOOS is needed as the media seems to have focus more on the fact that ReactOS was demo'd to him and has gotten his attention. --LoneRifle (talk) 07:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the ... is WOOS and why we need two (!!!) photos of unkown pupil? 

message: Is there any rationale behind the entries in Version history? I've recently added the missing entries of the 0.2.x release series, but there were those prior. As the OS is still in alpha stage (officially), may be there should be only the last (0.3.x) series in the table and a brief textual introduction to the previous series' focuses? — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 10:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No opinion on this matter, as I find the info therein peripheral to the gist of the article: how you go about building an OS that is binary-compatible with Windows. LoneRifle (talk) 07:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was very passionate about collecting ReactOS release history, but the information on earlier releases is scarce and I'm not entirely convinced of what should be covered to maintain the proper weight. I believe there should be some principle figured out and explained in  comment under the "Version history" section heading. With the of 0.4.x release series the information on minor versions of 0.2.x and 0.3.x in my opinion will become obsolete, as the software will enter the beta stage and minor changes in alpha would fade out of the focus. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 09:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version history 

message: Please mark this article for deletion as its topic is not notable.
The entire "ReactOS" is a scam(vapor)ware product to get a budget funding from the Russians.
178.49.18.203 (talk) 09:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  you miss the logical connection between these sentences; and even if the former was connected to the latter, I doubt you have anything to prove your position. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 09:50, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The product described in the article is in pre-alpha stage for about a decade, is absolutely unusable, and shows no signs of reaching the production quality, ever. Such amateurish crap like ReactOS or BolgenOS have no encyclopedic significance. 178.49.18.203 (talk) 14:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's assume that this description is accurate. And so what? What can we say on ReactOS's notability based on this observation? — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 16:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

text: ReactOS Has its' own certificate from VeriSign 82.119.140.62 (talk) 15:08, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it significant OS? No, it is amateurish alpha-grade project; is it a subject of instruction is schools? no; are reviews available? No, circlejerking resources like OSNews do not count; does it have any technical significance? Again, no. It fails all inclusion criterias, what does it do in the Wikipedia? It is a sort of encyclopedia, not a directory of each and every failed software experiment. 178.49.18.203 (talk) 12:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but unlike OSNews you don't qualify for reliable source. Furthermore, the criteria of notability are quite different, see Wikipedia:Notability. Please, next time at least try to think a little over your rationale before wasting yours and (what is worse) my time. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 17:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure an outright deletion is really warranted. I see historic and tangential significance in the article as it relates to open source software development. However, and I don't mean to be harsh here, I believe it is obvious to anyone who doesn't have some personal investment in ReactOS that it neither has real-world applications nor ever will. A 13-year alpha stage project that shows no signs of maturing outside of nominal development really should not have such a glowing, self-serving, optimistic article. It clearly does nothing meaningful other than mislead readers. And this is coming from someone who at one point personally contributed to the project and wanted it to succeed; it's just not gonna happen, and in my view we can't have an article that gives a different impression. Althepal (talk) 01:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing a deletion 

message: Can someone please create a redirect from Arwinss?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.247.173.225 (talk) 22:08, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: . — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 22:57, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arwinss 

message: I don't see any info on any versions before 0.2.0. They do exist, ReactOS has a Wiki that mentions them. There isn't a lot of info, but we have versions with no info listed other than release date and version number..... so yeah. 187.210.64.220 (talk) 18:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre- 0.2.0 versions 

message: Casual accusation of trolling doesn't show much WP:GOODFAITH. User CodeNameLisa deleted various items from the Infobox some of which seemed reasonable since the wording wasn't great, but it stills seems like these parameters should not be left empty, so I read the template and among other things specifically noticed the template parameter for family, which seemed very straightforward. The examples given in the template are 'unix family' and 'windows family', it would seem that ReactOS broadly falls under the Windows family. (In edit was rejected with the summary Not even producted by Microsoft, let alone part of Windows NT line. but as I pointed out in my edit the unix family consists of many operating systems, produced by many companies, the Windows family does not have to be only operating systems created by Microsoft). It seems that User CodeNameLisa does not want to fill in this template parameter, and went so far as to suggest a citation is needed just to fill in this parameter. Hopefully others will read this note and find a suitable values to fill in this and other empty parameters. -- 93.107.151.241 (talk) 13:47, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  OS Family 

message: Dear ReactOS authors, if you want that your material stays in the article, please back it up with third-party independent references, sources, interviews etc. There are many available! Don't use your own press releases from the reactos website. cheers Shaddim (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor fundraisers and whatnot, which are also primary self-sources and completely non-notable. Nor weblogs or forums WP:FORUM. And beyond referencing, no arbitrary lists of information WP:NOTDIR or other arbitrary stuff that could go on a primary web site WP:NOTWEBHOST.  Nor anything else that Wikipedia is WP:NOT. Only identifying the subject and defining its WP:N notability by multiple secondary WP:RS. — Smuckola(talk) 19:03, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: http://news.softpedia.com/news/ReactOS-Goes-to-IndieGogo-Will-Run-Windows-and-Linux-Apps-Natively-435797.shtml is good enough, also you not even tried to find sources yourself. A crowdfunding campaign is clearly noteworthy. Shaddim (talk) 21:08, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll reply just in case there's anyone else with the same extreme misconceptions of what Wikipedia is and is not.  No, these particular deletions need not have been discussed here, because it has been exhaustively defined and discussed at all the precise links I gave in the edit messages, because as they are obviously patently unencyclopedic. Hence, they should never have existed. Regarding versioning, that is the height of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, as Wikipedia is defined whatsoever run by tradition. You are trying to compare a WP:NOTDIR about what is largely a hobby and which is notable primarily for its ideas and theoretical future potential, to one of the largest and most notable and impactful software projects and singular human undertakings in recorded world history.  Linux's unbounded notability bears a constellation of articles, down to the infrastructure and social culture created just for its development. Its revisions are all major, and generally impact or define the course of global technology.  There are lots of people who would be glad to explain what an encyclopedia is and isn't, what notability is, and what reliable sourcing is, in various other discussion-based areas of Wikipedia. Or, you could read the given links many times; I know they're tough at first, seriously, and I've had to read them a thousand times. But as it stands, the edit messages you've given are totally false even by your own stated description (restoring "reliable secondary sources" which are almost entirely the subject's own website, exactly as you just told everyone not to do above), and Softpedia is so inherently non-reliable that it's mentioned by name as a poster-child for the definition of  non-reliable software sources in Wikipedia's guideline on the subject. Fundraising is again self-published, non-notable, and just a news blurb, WP:NOTNEWS WP:RECENTISM. Thanks and good luck. — Smuckola(talk) 22:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite your debatable claim for precision and well-definedness of policies: your application of them was very imprecise. Like the "version changelog removal", please show the policy not allowing them. Why is it in a high profile article like linux kernel still in? Now, fixed the deletion with more easy findable refs. Which should have happened from the beginning, fixing instead of excessive deletion. Also, the sourceforge ref is not a blog (despite claiming it themselves), but the official medium of sourceforge itself. PS: thanks for your preaching, I'm author myself long enough and know the policies (and (mis-)usage pattern of them). Shaddim (talk) 22:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper referencing of content 

message: Please add semi-protection to the ReactOS page. People keep making useless edits and are adding wrong information to the page. This needs to stop.
: requests for page protection must be made at WP:Requests for page protectionHowever, as there appears to have been only one piece of vandalism in the last three months, I doubt it will be protected - Arjayay (talk) 15:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding semi-protection 

message: https://www.reactos.org/project-news/reactos-044-released Released Feb 16, 2017.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anttipng (talk • contribs) 20:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  ReactOS 0.4.4 Released 

message: Is this still one of the aims?  I see that it is no longer on their official website and so the reference has had to be pulled from the Internet Archive (though it is still quoted on a few forums).  This suggests to me that maybe the developers have dropped that aim.  After all, I would imagine one of their aims would be to create something faster/more stable than Windows.  If they succeed in this, I think they would hope users would notice.
Maybe there's a current statement of ReactOS's aims somewhere.... — Smjg (talk) 17:59, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Without the end user noticing the change? 

message: I have removed the unsourced claim that Russian gives "significant support" to reactos. It was back in 2015, that one commission in the telecommunications ministry named it as a possible basis for the development of an open-source desktop OS, but there is absolutely no info out there, that this was followed by any real steps.
ReactOS is not a "Russian OS" just because some Russian hackers participate and because there is a ReactOS foundation based in Moscow - which, according to the Russian WP page is actually defunct now (a claim that I have not been able to verify, but searching for Russian language info on the foundation gives very little results). There is also a ReactOS non-profit bases in Germany, the ReactOS Deutschland e.V., but this does not make ROS a "German OS" eithern. --Johannes Rohr (talk) 14:10, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: PS.: I just found that there was never a Moscow-based foundation to begin with, it was based in Saransk instead, and that it was dissolved in 2015, see https://egrulinfo.com/8583363/ --Johannes Rohr (talk) 11:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

text: But the project leader lived in Moscow till 2015 moment. Trust me I knew it. But this is just side note.--Jedi2be (talk) 12:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

text: And you are absolutely right, there were not any real steps from Russian government except published expert opinion --Jedi2be (talk) 12:22, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Project leader in what sense? Bragin was head of the Reactos Foundation, but I have my doubts whether it was actually doing anything besides those four PR stunts (the demonstrations they gave to Putin, Medvedev, Alksnis and their presentation to the Minsvyaz hearing). All the ReactOS hackfests were in Germany, also any real fundraising seems to have happend mostly in or be coordinated from Germany. The ReactOS wiki didn't even give any contact details for the fundation. --Johannes Rohr (talk) 12:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  In terms of project ruling and management, resolving internal disputes and conflicts, covering important parts of code review. Bragin was also the whole project coordinator. The place for haсkfest is always selected by convenience for the actual participants. And on the first hackfest Bragin was present. He stepped down around the end of 2017.--Jedi2be (talk) 00:35, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Interesting. Did you ever ask him about whether he had any second thoughts about trying to forge an alliance with nationalist hardliner Viktor Alksnis? --Johannes Rohr (talk) 13:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nope--Jedi2be (talk) 13:08, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

text: BTW, if you look at his profile, you will find that he is remarkably inactive for a project leader. Some ten years ago, he still made some 40 edits per year. His last commit to reactos was 2016. So this gives the impression of a sham. --Johannes Rohr (talk) 16:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

text: It's a bit harsh to name this "forging an alliance". He just demonstrated ReactOS proof-of-work. Also I doubt that calling someone "nationalist hardliner" would be neutral for this article.188.170.83.120 (talk) 11:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian support