Talk:Motorized bicycle/Archive 5

message: Should we add somewhere in the article a spot for ?
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or ?
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--CyclePat 22:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  should we add <nowiki>{{notsportcycling}}</nowiki> 

message: The french article of motorized bicycle only talks about electric bicycles.  It is well written and that's why I'm hesitant to begin re-writing it to reflect more general concept of motorized bicle.  The link is no longer really valid and should be removed to the french article.  However, I think we shouldn't forget about the article (humm...  Vélo à assistance électrique.  I'll see what I can do as a simple user.  I'm not quite sure what?  But in the mean time any sugestions? --CyclePat 06:25, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the English wikipedia, we have nothing to do with articles on fr.  If you want to make or request or propose changes to the fr article, you should do it on that article's talk page. · Katefan0(scribble) 06:29, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I didn't say it that correctly.  I meant to say.  Our english article, on the left side has a link to the french article on electric bicycles.  I though this somewhat, redirect to the french article, should be deleted.  --CyclePat 06:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I figured it out.  For your info: I removed the fr:Vélo à assistance électrique because it talked soly of "power-assisted bicycles" (bicyclette assistée) --CyclePat 06:49, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, OK.  Sorry, I misunderstood.  However ... I don't mind that you removed the link, but would point out that the reason to have removed it is because it's in French, NOT because it only deals with one aspect of motorized bicycles.  If it's a relevant aspect of motorized bicycles, I don't see any reason per se to be trimming external links unless they're frivolous or inherently commercial in nature, etc. · Katefan0(scribble) 14:27, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm reading correctly, the reasoning was that this interwiki link to the French Wikipedia article was removed because it only deals with one aspect of motorized bicycles. --Alynna 21:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, I got that.  What I was saying is that it's an invalid reason for removal.  But in the end it should probably stay removed since it's French and this is the English wikipedia. · Katefan0(scribble) 21:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the whole point of the "in other languages" links was to link to other wikipedias, which are in other languages...--Alynna 22:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  French: Motorized bicycle links to ("bicyclette assistée") in French or as we say in english "power-assisted bicycle" 

message: My edits:  
*Added a new category category:Motorized bicycle
*Also added timeline section
*added Transportion and cycle stub
*added many other appropriate categories.
*Placed Moped in the category of motorized bicycle.--CyclePat 08:19, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the timelines since we are still a long way short of having enough externally verifiable data to support that article.  I suggest that we work on it at Motorized bicycle/Timeline until we have enough verifiable data to make a decent article.  And Pat, I am going to ask you to provide verifiable external references to support your continued assertion of the significance of CCM's fitting of a commercially available motor to an existing frame, in the context of the global development of the motorized bicycle.  Which books, by which authors, mark this as a significant event? - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 13:06, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I brough back the link to the motorized timeline, please allow enough time for everyone to see the link, and please leave it there until the deletion dispute is resolved.  --CyclePat 01:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why?  It is much more usual to wait until there is excess information in an article before splitting out, and in any case any critical points we can identify might just as well be added to the transport timeline. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 18:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NEW Category 

message: People have been adding engines or motors to bikes for at least 50 years. The Canadian company CCM was attaching a "Pixie" bicycle motor to the back of their light delivery bikes in the late 1940s. Early motorcycles were simply bicycles with engines; essentially a motorized bicycle. (See Motorcycle History) A bicycle with a small motor added used to be known as an "autocycle" or "cyclemotor" [1].
::This paragraph is awkward. It seems to me, someone not knowledgeable about cycling issues at all beyond a few political issues mostly regarding Segway, to be strung together without context.  Why are these things mentioned?  Why is the CCM mentioned, why should I care that a bicycle used to be called an autocycle ... this needs more context.  Someone who can provide it should take a whack here on the talk page at making it more useful for the casual reader.  For an intro paragraph, I still have no feel for the history of how this evolved.  · Katefan0(scribble) 16:57, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It reads awkwardly because it has an irrelevant reference to something halfway through the evolution of the internal combustion assisted bicycle stuck in the middle.  I'll see if I can't make it a bit more coherent. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 18:32, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Call for collaborative edits on a rather clunky paragraph