Talk:Alan Garner

message: I'm going to remove the 'privately run' from 'Manchester Grammar School', since it confuses rather than illuminates. When Garner was there the school was a Direct grant grammar school, where virtually all funding for less well-off children was paid for by the state, and where at least a third of governors were appointed by the local education authority, and where entry was entirely based on the results of a competitive examination. Cooke (talk) 09:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "privately run" manchester grammar school 

message: In the United States, Kirkus gave Fairy Tales of Gold, Garner & Michael Foreman, the harshest review I have ever read, albeit I haven't read many. (book one, 1981-11-01 review).
And Kirkus gave A Bag of Moonshine, Garner & P. J. Lynch, an exceptionally good review. (book three, 1986-09-15 review).
Although the text by Garner gets more attention than the illustrations by Foreman and Lynch, these remarks pertain to both. Others agreed broadly with Kirkus, I infer from the drastic change in format, from 200-page picture book of merely 4 tales to 160 and 144-page illustrated collections of 21 and 22 tales. (Reviewer #3 strongly approved Garner's part in book two, it is clear, with no implication about its illustration.)
--P64 (talk) 00:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folktales series: reception 

message: User:Spanglej just pruned the collection of external links per WP:LINKFARM so I've saved a copy here in case we might want to put any of them back in as proper citations.
:;Interviews
:*  Podcast interview with Alan Garner covering several of his works
:* Interview with Alan Garner on 'The Stone Book Quartet'
:*An interview with Alan Garner
:*Interview with Alan Garner by Raymond H.Thompson
:;Other
:* Unofficial web site for Alan Garner
:* Web site of the Blackden Trust
:* 2008 Article by the Guardian Unlimited along with assorted links and author recommendations
:* 2004 Guardian Article written by Nicholas Wroe
:*A review of The Stone Book Quartet and Red Shift
:*An excerpt from Thursbitch
:*A review of Thursbitch
I hope that's ok. -- Nicholas Jackson (talk) 06:47, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nic, that's ok. It's also possible to make them available conveniently (altho less conveniently) via the edit history. Link one section of a past version or link differences between two versions. I have done both today, #Bibliography. --P64 (talk) 18:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I replaced the Guardian book reviews with a Guardian link to all articles about Garner. We try and keep ELs of broad relevance, rather than, say, reviews of one book. Span (talk) 09:14, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found where they moved the Warwick interview podcast to - it's here. I'll put it back into the main article as a reference. -- Nicholas Jackson (talk) 10:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Internet Archive (Wikipedia:Using the Wayback Machine) covers many websites (not all blogs and forums, i feel sure). I think it's best always to link a specific relevant page at a site and to make it a formal reference --in a wiki biography, especially something like a publisher or university biographical blurb on one of its writers or faculty members. Some editors are very good at re-linking "dead link" content. --P64 (talk) 17:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Here we cite 2010 praise from British novelists, fantasy writers, etc. We actually call three of four "English" in the lead sentences of their biographies. (Susan Cooper, Philip Pullman, Neil Gaiman; contrast David Almond)
In the lead we mention "British folk tales", later British folktales (one word); one of Garner's titles is ... British Fairy Tales'. Do these refer to "recent" and English material --middle, early modern and modern? Or clearly Brythonic material in some sense? The Owl Service basis is Brythonic in all three senses of our disambiguation, I understand. Years ago I understood the Alderley Edge novels to have Brythonic basis, without secure knowledge. Now that I check a few of our articles, I see that the Morrigan has Irish roots and Brisingamen Norse. (Are there genuinely Irish and Norse elements in Alderley folklore, or only in name Garner borrowed?)
Bottom line: While covering The Owl Service book awards here, I have not changed "British folk tales" or anywhere wikified "British". But I wonder whether we can do better and pass it on here. I have uncertainly added the Portal:Mythology shortcut, suspecting that there is something more appropriately Celtic/British/Welsh but I don't know the Garner or the portals well enough.
--P64 (talk) 01:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  British, English, Brythonic 

message: Thought it was worth a source dump for Boneland before it is started:
* , Fourth Estate page
Interviews:
* , The Guardian
* , The Scotsman
* , The Independent
Reviews:
* , The Guardian
* , The Independent on Sunday
* , The Independent
* , Daily Telegraph
* , The Herald
* , Daily Express
Anything else? (Emperor (talk) 23:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boneland 

message: Not convinced of the value of ISBN columns in the tables. They take up room, and they are uninformative to the point of being misleading, as every edition - even of the same text by the same publisher (maybe it's some tiny format change) - seems to have a new ISBN. Since we should either list all or none of them, and all is essentially hopeless, I suggest none. Chiswick Chap (talk) 05:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the tables add nothing. Span (talk) 10:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: ISBN columns

message: The bibliography still looks to be a bit of a mess. It seems it started out as a source list for the references but editors have since added publications about Garner. Some of the items link to the ref section; much of it seems like a collection of external links. Span (talk) 13:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mmm. Should separate actual 'Sources' from 'Further reading' then. And external linkoids should either go to the ext section or get a decent burial. PS - it's your turn. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The changes to the bibliography and the intro of the table of works seem to be made by Midnight Blue Owl in 2011. It's a bit of a puzzle. I'll have a go. I vote for - sources, further reading and a decent burial for the rest. Span (talk) 13:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  The deleted sources, not yet used in the article, are eleven online sources "Retrieved 20 August 2011" that appear consecutively in the "Bibliography" version 2013-05-20. (more information above, #Bibliography). --P64 (talk) 18:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree these might be useful in the future development of the article. They are not 'sources' as they do not source anything yet, if I understand rightly. More 'pre-emptive sources'. The word 'bibliography' is a bit ambiguous to be useful in WP as it just means 'book list'. It is variously used to mean the publications of the subject, books about the subject and sometimes sources used in the article. The headings refs, sources, works, further reading and external links, I think, make matters clearer. Span (talk) 20:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliography again

message: Is Garner's acquaintance with Turing worth a mention? I think it probably is.
http://www.turing.org.uk/book/update/part7.html
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/nov/11/alan-turing-my-hero-alan-garner
Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:12, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and have added a sentence into the article mentioning this. Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:31, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Alan Turing

message: In "I had to get aback [to familial ways of doing things], by using skills that had been denied to my ancestor..." is "familiar" meant rather than "familial"? 31.52.252.200 (talk) 17:39, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Familial? 

message: There was a 2015 radio documentary - Bringing Holly from the Bongs - which reunited cast members from the Goostrey Primary School class which performed the nativity play in 1965, with Alan Garner.
The Weirdstone of Brisingamen (in four episodes) and Moon of Gomrath (single play) were adapted by David Wade in January 1989.
There was also a 2011 adaptation of The Weirdstone of Brisingamen, dramatised by Peter Thomson and starring Robert Powell, on Radio 4 in the Saturday Drama slot.
Jock123 (talk) 15:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing BBC Radio programmes…