Talk:Departments of France

message: Proposal  :            	→ Départements of France
Rationale :  	More than one département addressed plus "of" to give sense of belonging to France rather than other countries that use the term.
Proposer :             	David Kernow 18:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Please add  * Support  or  * Oppose  followed by a brief explanation and then your signature ("~~~~").
* Support as nom. David Kernow 18:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey and discussion

message: As a result of the consensus reached above, the page was moved on 1 July 2006 by User:El C. Kiwipete 08:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus

message: The following departements will need disambiguation:
* Cher
* Var
* (and maybe others)
Any thoughts on how to do this? Eg:
* Cher (departement)
* Cher (France)
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See WikiProject French departements.
:Cher (département) and Var (département) appear to have been dismbiguated.  AdamMorton 02:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: Just my opinion, but I find that blue-and-pink "This article is part of the series..." box at top right of this article visually unappealing and off-putting. Don't such messages, in any case, belong at the bottom of the article, and can't this particular one be much better designed? -- Picapica 21:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aesthetics 

message: Can the former Corsican departments be separated/unlinked from the current ones? - signed by anon IP 
: Nope, Corsica was once a singular department until 1974 I believe, split into two halves and the numeral designation "20" was abandoned. There is no numeral designation "96" but the proposal to make the island of Mayotte an overseas department in 2011 might inherit the number. Saintes Pierre et Moquelon are territorial collectivities, a higher stage above an department, and other territorial collectivities are Wallis et Futuna, New Caledonia and French Polynesia. The French republic wants to grant the overseas territories of the South Pacific a much higher degree of autonomy, alike a British Commonwealth nation or similar to how the Danish crown just granted "country status" to Greenland and the Faeroe Islands. +  71.102.2.206 (talk) 09:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former Departments 

message: Hello all- I made a proposal regarding this article that may be of interest to you: Wikipedia:Requested_moves#13_October_2006. -Eric (talk) 18:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was requested that this article be renamed but the procedure outlined at WP:RM#How to request a page move did not appear to be followed, and consensus could not be determined. Please request a move again with proper procedure if there is still a desire for the page to be moved. Thank you for your time! -- tariqabjotu 09:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take 2 is below, this time after reading all the instructions. -Eric (talk) 14:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposing move

message: Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
* Support = policy. Agathoclea 14:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Add any additional comments:
*If the page is moved, are you going to go through all the articles on all the départements and all cities and towns and arondissements -- basically every geographical article of France -- and change every instance of département to "department"? For instance: 
:Located in the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur région, Nice is a commune and the préfecture (administrative capital) of the Alpes-Maritimes département. (-from article Nice)
:This is similar to the dozen or so articles I just spot-checked. How far will you take anglicization? --SigPig 06:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are also many instances of the English word in en Wikipedia articles about France. If we follow my suggestion in the reason for move, any links pointing to the page Département would automatically re-direct to the new page "Department (France)"/"Departments of France." In any case, as I said above, the word exists in English and means what it means in French, so it should be used in English-language articles. That sentence in the Nice article should read: "...Nice is a commune and the prefecture (administrative capital) of the department <of> Alpes-Maritimes." Note that prefectureis also an English word. -Eric (talk) 14:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I like the way this article provides references to US and English counties to provide orientation.--Dmz5 17:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orientation 

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We are in the process of a bit of a consolidation of the flag templates and I would like to ask, if the article writers on this article here would agree if I would replace the calls of the above listed templates on this article here with their direct expansion. This would mean I would replace for example
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User:Andrwsc expressed the concern that it is a bit overkill to have flag templates for these uncommon "countrys" to use them on a single article. If there no objections, I would do this and then delete the flag templates listed above. Thanks. --Ligulem 12:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've expanded the flag template calls in the table under "Napoleonic Empire" . If there aren't any complaints, I will delete the now unused country data templates listed above. --Ligulem 18:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single use flag templates 

message: Was the departmental system retained by Louis XVIII and Charles X, or did they try to bring back the old provinces? 68.40.65.164 22:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bourbon restoration 

message: Found something that needs to be updated:
The départements are numbered: their two-digit numbers appear in postal codes, in INSEE codes (including "social security numbers") and on vehicle number-plates, though this last usage will mostly disappear with a new car plate scheme due for 2006.
Well?  Was the "scheme" (is that the right word to be using?) implemented? Funnyhat 05:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vehicle plates 

message: At first glance of the map I thought the numbers in the table below corresponded to the map, however this is not the case and it may be worthwhile including the numbers in the table in a seperate column.  unfortunatly I have no idea which department matches which number so this may require someone which knows more about french geography/local goverment. Waacstats (talk) 10:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi- If you are referring to the departments map and list on the article page, it looks to me like they are all correct (i.e. the numbers on the department polygons in the map correspond to the ones in the table, and have the correct names next to them). -Eric talk 17:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:ReunionFlag.gif

message: In the table, what do the flags next to the prefecture represent?
216.36.132.66 (talk) 13:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting question ;D it's the flag of the région. Imho, it has nothing to do here, one can think that it is the flag of the préfecture and wonders why there are so numerous identical flags. It would be better to have a column région, with the flag and the name of the region... it would allow to sort on région column, to show all the départements in each région. But the table would be too big, imho. At the present, I think it would be better to remove these flags before the préfectures. Alvar☮ ☎ 14:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put a new column for the region, I think that solves the problem. Random user 8384993 (talk) 12:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Alvar☮ ☎ 14:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation of table 

message: The section "The Future" is a translation of part of the French article. (RJPe (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation Tag

message: the article states that one of the ideas for creating the department structure was "directly inspired by the Great Terror, during which the government had lost control of many rural areas which were far from any centre of government". Yet the Terror took place three years after the creation of departments.  Can anyone clarify this? The Thieving Gypsy (talk) 23:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: reasons for creating system

message: Why put blasons that have no official values ( and some where invented during the XXe century )and not put official logos for departments?
Those coat of arms have no meaning for french people, and most have never seen them.
Nicolas 12:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Coat of arms/ Blasons 

message: It appears that a comment (Please expand this table ...) by someone has slipped into the text of note 1 of table 7.  If I am correct, it should be deleted; I'm not going to do it myself because I'm unfamiliar with the long history of this article.  (The comment has been present for at least the last 18 months.) SDCHS (talk) 09:35, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment in Main Text

message: Department doesn't mean a French département, even though the words are similar. It needs to be left in the French. This is similar to the inappropriate use in English of commune and deputy which don't mean the same as their close French counterpart-words. Those words need also to be left in French because they lack English equivalents.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 18:55, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The English equivalent would be County and the plural Counties. So yes I agree that Department is incorrect and recommend a move. Regards, Sun Creator (talk) 10:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Utter nonsense.  "département" has been translated into English as "department" for over two hundred years now.  It has never been translated as "county." "Deputy" and "Commune" are likewise used in English. john k (talk) 12:24, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: English meaning

message: It says the department:
is one of the three levels of government below the national level, between the region and the commune.
But what about the arrondissements and the cantons, which come below the department but above the commune?  98.221.131.228 (talk) 09:23, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Levels of Government

message: I do not have the talent for wiki-table-manipulation needed to add it, so instead I come to the talk page.
As far as I can make out, the short-lived  (1807-1810) needs adding to the list of former departments.
If someone does that, I might even translate the German wiki entry to create an equivalent for english wikipedia.   Though if someone else were to get in first I should not weep.   Either way, although there is a , at the time of writing it really only amounts to a sub-stub.   (Which might be another challenge for someone reading this?)
Of course, maybe it's already in the nice table ... somewhere, and I'm just not very observant - don't think so, though!   Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:18, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks to me like it was a department of the Napoleonic Kingdom of Westphalia. PatGallacher (talk) 14:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, yes.   I see what you mean.   Cancel that request.   (But do we have an entry, yet, on Departments of the Kingdom of Westphalia)?   Regards Charles01 (talk) 14:42, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weser department 

message: In the article says:
:The modern departments, as all-purpose units of the government, were created on 4 March 1790 by the National Constituent Assembly to replace the provinces with what the Assembly deemed a more rational structure. Their boundaries served two purposes:
:*Boundaries were chosen to break up France's historical regions in an attempt to erase cultural differences and build a more homogeneous nation.
:*Boundaries were set so that every settlement in the country was within a day's ride of the capital of the department. This was a security measure, intended to keep the entire national territory under close control. This measure was directly inspired by the Great Terror, during which the government had lost control of many rural areas far from any centre of government.
A division established in 1790 can't have been "directly inspired" by the Great Terror (who was in 1792-94; and, AFAIK, in the Terror the central government did not lost the control of many rural areas (besides Vendeé and some neighbor regions); perhaps there is a confusion with the Great Fear, in 1789, and when was peasant revolts in many regions of the country?--MiguelMadeira (talk) 14:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Great Terror" or "Great Fear"? 

message: I don't believe that it was a good idea to describe the Métropole de Lyon as France's "1st metropolitan department" (as was done in the previous revision of the present article) because that term, "metropolitan department", has an already established and different meaning: namely, a department (any department) in Metropolitan France – as distinct from one in the Republic as a whole (which includes the overseas departments).
And, while we're on the subject, "Metropolitan Lyon" is a questionable translation (if we must have one) for what in French is known as la métropole de Lyon (Lyon Metropolis) or le Grand Lyon (Greater Lyon). But perhaps that's a subject better discussed at the article on Greater Lyon itself. -- Picapica (talk) 08:33, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out, . I changed it to match the article. Eric talk 12:49, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Métropole de Lyon

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thread_title:  Polynesia 

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message: Metropolis of Lyon says that it's both a department and a metropolis, and it has a department number, so shouldn't it just be counted as the 102nd department? -- Beland (talk) 09:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: (The count would need to be updated here and on List of administrative divisions by country.) -- Beland (talk) 20:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counting Lyon as a department