Talk:Princess Clémentine of Orléans

message: should be Clémentine d'Orléans, Princess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.  Leaving this for discussion for a few days before moving article to proper title.  Frania W. (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm getting dizzy with all these title changes. --Roisterer (talk) 00:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Roisterer, I agree. The users should really look at the naming conventions. For royal, the form is "<Title> <Name> of <Place>" for cadet royals without substantive titles. Frania's suggestion does not conform to the conventions. She is also insistent upon treating the designations exactly as surnames when, with royalty, such distinctions are blurred or do not exist. You might notice a lot of "moves" to Orléans articles. Many done today were to revert copy/paste moves. Hope this helps. Seven Letters 01:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Title of article

message: In: Encyclopédie méthodique, ou par ordre de matières, ... Jurisprudence, Tome Sixième, by Diderot, published in 1778:  
:*http://books.google.com/books?id=qHhBAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA160&lpg=PA160&dq=Diderot+Jurisprudence+Philippe+de+France+duc+d%27Orl%C3%A9ans&source=bl&ots=xFoInU8NtT&sig=9zIqnDLZpQvKOm6bGZ9xTZlx3Ho&hl=fr&ei=eAVXTODpCoL48Abmk6inBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAQ#v=snippet&q=Philippe%20de%20France%2C%20duc%20d%27Orl%C3%A9ans%2C%20fr, p. 160: 
Les descendants de Philippe de France, duc d'Orléans, frère de Louis XIV, portent le nom d'Orléans, comme nom distinctif de cette autre branche, sans qu'aucun ait pris, ni doive prendre le nom de Bourbon, destiné à en distinguer une autre.
--Frania W. (talk) 18:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A HOUSE name which distinguishes them from the other branch. Really now, Frania, when will you give up this campaign? Seven Letters 20:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Frania, what do you have to say about the Orléans-Braganza? Are they not "of" too? Really now... You need to stop trying to push a POV for which there is no evidence or purpose. Even if it was a surname, we don't use surnames for royalty. She was of Orléans. Seven Letters 21:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

text: In ENGLISH, we had "of Orléans", "of Bourbon" and "of France" for these people. You are cherry-picking sources and using your POV in how you apply very vague terminology which is especially not explicit in terms of royalty. Seven Letters 19:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

text: In other monarchies, there are the "family names" Glücksburg, Hohenzollern, Windsor, Bernadotte, etc. These aren't surnames. Seven Letters 19:44, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The French royals used names in a way close to what happens in the British royal family. The children of the Prince of Wales are "of Wales", so on and so forth. Seven Letters 19:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Surname "d'Orléans"

message: I'm fairly sure that's not Princess Clémentine in the portrait at the upper right-hand corner of the page.  I think that's her daughter, Princess Clotilde.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jabezjabez (talk • contribs) 00:26, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been sometime since I added the image but I think it was from (or the same as) I book I had on Princess Clémentine. --Roisterer (talk) 09:29, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Well, in that case the book made a mistake!  This portrait dates from the 1860, by which time Princess Clémentine was a much older woman.  This is one of her daughters, either Clothilde or Amalie.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jabezjabez (talk • contribs) 04:26, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrait