Talk:Terrorism in Saudi Arabia

message: This list is something I have been compiling for a while on my home computer. It is from the Saudi press and is quite incomplete. There are two reasons for this. First the official press here can be quite coy when they want to be, second I sometimes forget to make entries.  [[Paul, in Saudi 04:53, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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message: "National Guard collusion is suspected", any source? - Eagle 17:55, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
Do you realize you are the first person I know of to visit this page? In any case, you may delete this comment if you like, it is a rumor that we exapts take as an article of faith. It is worth noting that the company in question is now guarded by real honest-to-goodness Americans. [[Paul, in Saudi 02:06, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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message: I think the article needs to be cleaned up because it is overloaded.
1-It would be easier if terrorist incidents that took place in 2004, 2005 are broken off into smaller articles (with links to them). See: Terrorism against Israel for example. However, this is not needed if the following is taken into consideration.
2-Names should not be listed unless there is a reason because this is an encyclopedia. For example, the names of Mubarak Al-Sawat and Paul Johnson should be there. But "Abdul Aziz ibn Rasheed Al-Inazi is arrested after a shoot-out in Riyadh," in fact, this entire "incsident" should be erased in my POV.
3- (2 cont') Red internal links should be minimized, except when the link is for an article that is expected to be written... ever. 
4-Some entries simply just don't fit. Like: "The United States Embassy issues a message that revokes the travel advisory for Saudi Arabia that had been in effect for a year." This is almost periodical.
Moreover, it would be a better way (in my perspective) if only important incidents are listed, and in seperate articles (for example Khobar Towers Bombing). And by using the already-existing category (Terrorist incidents in Saudi Arabia), all of them can be found in a list. -- Eagleamn 05:43, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
:Dear Eagle, I must (with the greatest of respect) disagree. This article, timeline, whatever, is unique and useful. There seems to be no other place that lists the most recent batch of wanted men. If and when one of these guys does something worth an article, this list will provide context. 
:In fact context seems to be the key word. It shows progression, the march of events. I do not see this presented elsewhere. I also like the near-graphic nature of the timeline. It is easy to see what is going on. 
:In all, I like it. I know it is darn imperfect, but I still like it. Can we wait until some other voices chime in before we do anything drastic. 
:BTW, we got a 4-day weekend out of the national period of mourning. Paul, in Saudi 14:08, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: I have written a revision to this page, and would like everyone to take a look at it. As it is, this page is not exactly encyclopedic. This provides an overview of the conflict and a condensed timeline, and eliminates unnecessary information:
User:PBP/Saudi insurgency
Any comments would be useful. Perhaps this article can replace the one we have now. PBP 14:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am back from vacation and I must say I object. The revision is not encyclopedic in that i uses POV when none is needed. (It calls attacks 'major' for example.) It leaves out lots of really good information found nowhere else on the Net. (The lists of the Saudi Most Wanted.) It is factually wrong in places. (We can fix this of course. One example is calling the bombs of the Saudi Security Academy suicide bombs. They were not.) In truth I cannot imagine why my timeline format was so wrong as to attract so much attention. I will not revert. I respect everyone's efforts. I simply do not like the direction this is going.  Paul, in Saudi 17:36, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

text: How would you feel about using a title like List of Terrorist Activity in Saudi Arabia? (An idea previously suggested.) The advantage of listing the names is the possibility the link will come up Blue now or in the future. I was trying to build a framework that would have linked otherwise unconnected persons and events. Paul, in Saudi 03:14, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What think you? Could the timeline be reborn as Timeline of attacks... or something? Paul, in Saudi 12:02, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Done! Paul, in Saudi 15:14, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: I didn't know about this Insurgency article when I started the page Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula recently. That page needs work, I know, but it's a start. Note that the AQAP name is the group's own choice of name, and is not just an arbitrary article title.
LDH 19:32, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: This article appears to be an original synthesis. Apparently someone has glued together all terrorist incidents that have occurred after May 12, 2003 to form this article. 
Can someone please bring sources that discuss the "Islamic insurgency in Saudi Arabia"?Bless sins 00:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: It seems that the targets are foreigners, mostly Western ones.
Saudis appear as "collateral damage".
Doesn't Al Qaeda preach against the Saudi rulers?
Aren't there attacks or at least plots against Saudi police, army, officers, celebrities?
--84.20.17.84 (talk) 09:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: I don't agree with the name "Islamic insurgency" in this article, their opponents are also Ismalimists and there's no such thing as "christian insurgency" is there? I proposeto change it simply to "insurgency in Saudi Arabia" - PietervHuis (talk) 10:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: agree, but with timeframe added --TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
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message: I would say that since late 2007 the insurgency has been efectivly destroyed. And I think we should put an end date to this conflict as 2007. What do you guys say?(Top Gun)
:agree.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: that's not a problem right now, see below --TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
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message: "Insurgency" doesn't fit in here - this is not the right description. A series of terror attacks cannot be considered a military conflict. Compare to other insurgency articles. I suggest to change it to Terrorism in Saudi Arabia and remove the infobox, to be like every other "Terrorism in ..." article--TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey you asked my opinion, but I'm afraid I disagree with your proposal. Terrorism sounds a bit too POV, even if we speak about Al-Qaeda. Maybe such an article could talk specifically about terrorist incidents, attacks on western civilians for example. Or maybe we could name this article "Al-Qaeda attacks in Saudi Arabia" for example. - PietervHuis (talk) 00:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: why too pov? we have a bunch of terrorism in... articles --TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "Terrorism in Saudi Arabia" is fine. —Nightstallion 08:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: could you do the move, then? --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Everyone agreed? Victuallers (talk) 11:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

text:  Move complete ... and downgraded to C ... you do need some refs for a B I think Victuallers (talk) 11:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: In March 2014, the Saudi interior ministry issued a royal decree branding all atheists as terrorists
This needs to be put into context. When a Saudi minister uses the term atheist in this way, without specifically mentioning non-Saudis, it implies non-practicing Muslims, perhaps even just Saudi non-practicing Muslims. It is not a reference to atheists in general and certainly not to Westerners.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.45.51.195 (talk) 11:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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