Talk:Auguste and Louis Lumière

message: There are some things in this article that seem wrong to me.
This historical screening was based on their first film, the 45-second-long Sortie des Usines Lumière à Lyon (Workers Leaving the Lumière Factory)
This isn't correct, since they showed a total of ten films (as indicated later in the article). About the timing: most sources indicate 50 seconds, some say 1 minute. That's a bit theoretical anyway since the devices were activated by hand. So the duration was 50 seconds at 16 fps, or 60 seconds at 15 fps, or anything inbetween.
Therefore there is no point in giving indications like 42 secs, 46 secs - those durations refer to the quicktime movies which have been captured at some arbitrary speed, it doesn't apply to the original movies which had all the same length: 17 meters of celluloid.
shot in 1895[2] with Léon Bouly's cinématographe device patented the previous year.
 
This isn't correct: as explained below, Bouly simply filed a patent, but the Lumière developed the Cinématographe by their own (although using ideas borrowed from Edison, Emile Reynaud, Marey, Demeny, Anschütz, Le Roy...)
Even though Max and Emil Skladanowsky, inventors of the Bioskop, had offered projected moving images to a paying public one month earlier (November 1, 1895, in Berlin), film historians consider the Grand Café screening to be the true birth of the cinema as a commercial medium. The reason is the Skladanowsky brothers' screening was not a motion pictures film but a slideshow of animated still photographs which is not cinematography. See also Chris Marker's La Jetée which is based on the same process.
 
This paragraph seems a bit too long. I would at least remove the reference to La Jetée, although it's an interesting reference, it doesn't have much to do with the articles topic... 1904.CC 03:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and made several of these edits. --Jeremy Butler 13:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some proposals for improvement

message: The article says that the Lumière shot their first film in 1895 "with Léon Bouly's cinématographe device patented the previous year" - that doesn't correlate with my references (Chardère, B.; Borgé, G. and M. (1985): Les Lumière). This book tells the following story: in the end of 1894/beginning of 1895 the Lumière built their own cinématographe, whith original features like the film-pulling mechanism. Also, in order to get good results, they had to invent their own brand of 35mm film! The technician who built the prototype, following the Lumière Brother's instructions, was Charles Moisson, mechanician at the Lumière Factory.
Léon Bouly indeed filed the first brevet for a machine called "cinématographe", on february 12th 1892 for the camera and december 27th 1893 for the projector. According to Chardère, this machine was never completed, and the Lumière didn't know about it at that time. (note: Bernard Chardère is director of the Lumière Institute, so his opinion could be biaised...)
The Lumière Brothers requested their brevet on feburary 13th 1895, for a period of 15 years (several improvements were aded to it during 1895 and 1896). Would be glad to hear if anybody has different information... bzzp 19:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Léon Bouly's cinématographe

message: "The Lumières also proposed ... (the) Tulle-gras® (to heal burns)."
What is (the) Tulle-gras? -- Writtenonsand 04:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://wound.smith-nephew.com/au/node.asp?NodeId=3823 --Jeremy Butler 13:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What is (the) Tulle-gras?

message: Do you realize that there have been wholesale deletions in this article, ongoing and unfixed, since last December?
Do you realize that this article mentions nothing about Auguste and Louis Lumière being the best-known pioneers of colour photography?
Do you realize that I think Wikipedia is a useless project because of things like this?
75.71.120.88 (talk) 04:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you realise that you can improve the article yourself if you have any ideas?--Angelastic (talk) 12:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed this article would deserve much more work... For now i re-injected a paragraph that was deleted in February 2008, taken from this revision. it would also be worth to import some material from the german and french wikipedias, which seem more substantial. 1904.CC (talk) 21:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: You folks don't care about this article, do you?

message: The Lumière Brothers are known in Europe as the genuine first inventors of cinematograph, and therefor of movie. This isn't even evoked in the introduction : is it due to an omission, or to some american patriotism set to convince people that movies are another invention from Edison, like the wheel, the fire or the Internet ? FredD (talk) 12:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Inventors or not

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message: I'm puzzled about the meaning of the last sentence of the introductory paragraph:
Either the techniques or the business models of earlier filmmakers proved to be less viable than the breakthrough presentations of the Lumières. 
Can somebody clarify this please?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:643:8104:730:DD35:618E:D2CC:D6EB (talk) 19:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's explained in the section "Advantages of the Cinématographe Lumière over other systems". There were earlier cinematographic systems and motion picture presentations that were not as successful or just didn't last long after the introduction of the Cinématographe Lumière. Apart from probably having much luck for giving their presentations at the right time and place, the Lumière system seems to have prevailed because it had some technological advantages and was introduced by a relatively big company that could market it with relative ease for a relatively long time. I'd like to add that part of their luck has to do with being the first to introduce the medium in a culture that was in high regard internationally, a culture that continued to push the envelope of cinema (especially with the very creative and successful films of Georges Méliès) and that kept track of these particular developments more or less sufficiently and communicated their successes broadly. Apart from their much smaller businesses falling apart (probably mostly due to strong competition), pioneers Anschütz and the Skladanowskys may have had bad luck that German-speaking culture had lost lots of international goodwill when the English and French speaking basics of international film history were written down in the 20th century. In the US, Edison seems to have done his best to submerge any trace of previous developments, in order to claim rights as the sole inventor of motion pictures. Some even believe he had the son of LePrince murdered because he tried to prove otherwise in court, but just getting his claims repeated again and again in the press probably sufficed. I may add some lines to the article about such factors, but I'd better find some proper references.Joortje1 (talk) 11:03, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean?