Talk:Killing of Yoshihiro Hattori

message: Hello, I am the self-proclaimed "guardian" of this article - for the moment at least. I'm working on it right now - creating the foundation for a nice, tight and easy to read article and updating my sources as I'm making progress. I have a tendency to repeat-edit en masse, so please bear with me and refrain from hasty edits just now :) If you can help me by accessing the original court documents in LexisNexis, please let me know - otherwise I think internet articles and the Yoshi foundation homepage cover everything. Cheers! aeris 10:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guardian 

message: One thing that is missing from this article is the time that the boys arrived.
:Approximately 8pm. Reference added.--Muzilon (talk) 02:58, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time 

message: I learned of this case from one of my psychology textbooks.  It said that the victim, upon hearing "FREEZE!" thought the person meant cold (it was a cold October night) so he walked inside to get out of the cold, and got shot dead.  I'll try to look for it once I dig out my old Psyc textbook.  If it is the same case then I will add that bit of information to the article.--205.250.222.77 23:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I might have heard that. I think this episode may have partly inspired the Homicide episode "Colors", but I'm not sure that's important.--T. Anthony 07:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another theory put forward during the trial was that Hattori may have misheard "Freeze" as "Please" (as in "please come in"). Though it seems unlikely that words yelled in a hostile tone of voice would be mistaken as a warm welcome, even with the language barrier.--Muzilon (talk) 04:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible miscommunication due to language barrier contributing to the killing 

message: I'm confused.. he purposefully used a gun to kill an innocent boy, but he wasn't given a life sentence (or executed)? Why not? I thought murder was punished by life imprisonment or execution.
When a kid walks up and rings your doorbell and you kill him that IS murder, right? I mean surely he didn't ACCIDENTLY point the gun at the kid and pull the trigger? If he did that by accident then I could see him getting off with felony manslaughter, but there's just no way that could have been an accident..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.53.37.218 (talk) 06:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about. 32.219.174.104 (talk) 18:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder? 

message: I came to view this page in a roundabout way: A student that I helped here at the college cited the "castle doctrine 'law'" in a gun control paper she was writing, and I eventually looked at this Hattori Article from that page.  After reading this Article a few times, I picked up a bias'ed vibe.  It feels too much like the author and subsequent editors have a bias toward "favoring" Hattori and attempting to condemn the acts of Rodney Peairs.  Even the fact that the Article is entitled "Death of Yoshihiro Hattori" rather than by the case name itself feels bias'ed.
In the law books I would guess it reads something like "Peairs vs. Hattori"?  I think some editing needs to be done.  The portions of the article that have been flagged "citation needed" alone show bias in my opinion.
--ErikVKing (talk) 00:41, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, I find it very neutral. The article is about the death, the reported details, and all that rekevant events that followed. Hattori vs. Peairs would only be the civil lawsuit. The criminal trial would have been U.S. State of Louisiana vs. Peairs. There were two separate court cases, a criminal trial and a civil lawsuit. Did you read the article to the bottom? The title is very typical of such cases. It can not be called "Murder of..." because murder is a crime, and nobody was convicted of murder. The article is about his death, and the events that occurred because of it. It is not limited to one trial. Perhaps you think the article is not neutral because it does not share your biases. - Boneyard90 (talk) 04:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  I have no bias whatsoever with this.  As far as the title goes, it would be fine if all that was in the article was straight facts - but, in my opinion, it feels too much like a condemnation of Rodney Peairs.  Many sections of the article do provide straight facts, but too many areas sound almost like the lawyer for the Hattori's wrote it.  Beginning with the first section, where it says "...gregarious teen who played on his high school rugby team and loved fishing." (with no citation I might add).  The sentence made me feel sad and begin to feel a wrongdoing occurred, and to hate Mr.Peairs.  If this were an article about Yoshihiro Hattori, and not about the incident of his death, then this type of writing would fit.  Perhaps I will try to edit the page some day, but if anyone else wants to step in and lend neutrality to the article, please feel free. --ErikVKing (talk) 16:55, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been tidying up this article over the last few weeks, removing unsourced material and adding proper references. I will therefore go ahead and remove the tags about lack of proper citations. As to whether the article is still "biased", I will wait to hear what others think.--Muzilon (talk) 09:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias in the article 

message: There are a couple of citations to a "Fujio 2004", but no details as to what the source is.  I can't find this source online.  Does anyone know anything about it? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:21, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking through the article's edit history, it appears this refers to Rie Fujio, who is credited as webmaster of the Yoshi Coalition website. Unfortunately it appears some editor deleted Fujio's name from the footnotes with this edit without updating the other citations properly. In any case, the Yoshi Coalition site appears to be WP:SELFPUBLISHED (and the English-language translation is poor), so perhaps not an ideal source here. I will try to fix up the references.--Muzilon (talk) 04:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fujio"? 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Death of Yoshihiro Hattori. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20050322180859/http://www.2theadvocate.com:80/sk/old_articles/stories/new_safety002.shtml to http://www.2theadvocate.com/sk/old_articles/stories/new_safety002.shtml
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20050217163256/http://www.stopgun.org:80/english/sgc_English.html to http://www.stopgun.org/english/sgc_English.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20051025231234/http://naatanet.org:80/Exhibition/html/sfiaaff97/programs/shot.html to http://www.naatanet.org/Exhibition/html/sfiaaff97/programs/shot.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 20:09, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Death of Yoshihiro Hattori. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20050920104654/http://www.fkassociates.com/guns.html to http://www.fkassociates.com/guns.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20051231072110/http://www.afs.org/AFSI/ to http://www.afs.org/AFSI/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 09:27, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It claims this incident was the reason the Brady Bill was passed, despite it being unrelated. The citations are also dead ends that do not explain how this ties with the Brady Bill MJV479 (talk) 20:16, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Several sources state or at least imply that Hattori's death gave momentum to the Brady Bill, e.g. this Japanese news site says Hattori's parents "contributed to the enactment of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act." --Muzilon (talk) 23:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: None of those cites are from the US. No offense to foreign sources, or to Hattori's parents, but we can't use these to support a claim related to legislative activity of the US Congress. If a reliable US source documents this, fine. Anastrophe (talk) 02:21, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Then the paragraph could be reworded to the effect that Hattori's parents became involved in gun control and supported the Brady Bill, as did Hattori's host family, the Haymakers. --Muzilon (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, that would be appropriate. Anastrophe (talk) 03:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've boldly rewritten the Aftermath section, adding that the Brady Bill was first introduced in 1991 (before Hattori's death), and the Bill's provisions would probably not have prevented his shooting anyway – which hopefully makes it clear that the Bill was not a direct response to the Hattori case. I've also added a quote from Walter Mondale that the Hattori incident likely influenced the passage of the Bill nonetheless. As a sidenote, the sources are contradictory on how many American citizens signed the petition – Kernodle (2002) says 1 million but the contemporary sources say 120,000–150,000, which seems to be the more likely figure. Comments welcome, and hopefully the "Disputed" tag can be removed once this is resolved.--Muzilon (talk) 10:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of any feedback after nearly one month, I shall now go ahead and remove the Disputed tag.--Muzilon (talk) 20:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: "Aftermath"