Talk:Eminem/Archive 2

message: Removed: 
“Bono called me while I was in Africa and said ‘he’s not calling me back. I’ve got these pictures of kids wearing Eminem and D-12 t-shirts and we got them sent off to Eminem’s office but did we hear anything? It’s sad.'” But eminem knows this kid named angel and he allways goes to eminems house he has a mother named rocio and a father named alfonso
from main article, because it's confusing -- grammar's off, and there's no source.Janet13 22:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bono Live 8 quote 

message: I deleted "assonance" from the paragraph explaining Eminem's skills.  The sentence also mentions alliteration, which can either be assonance or consonance (redundacy).
(Bob)
:Sounds good. I'll leave it. -- RPIRED 04:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's odd, since a square is a specific kind of Rectangle.  Technically, the person you're replying to was correct.  The box that looks like a stretched square is technically called an oblong; both are examples of rectangles.  It's just that oblongs are commonly called "rectangles" today.  -Kasreyn 18:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assonance vs. alliteration 

message: I added the torture allegations to the trivia section. --Viriditas 03:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Torture

message: the purpose of this article is to give an overview of Eminem, with a focus on his music -- not a tell-all biography. i'm not sure all this new info is necessary. Stoned Trey 06:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, with Eminem specifically, information on his personal life is more relevant than for most other artists, as it help interpret a lot of his lyrics, given how much he mentions his personal life in his music. Secondly, I was planning on finishing writing a section about his career and music, which would be at least twice the size of the personal life section, but I found that I had little time to work on it, so I uploaded the finished personal life section in the meantime. I think we should focus more on expanding the info on his career and music, rather that reducing the section on his personal life. In addition the account on his life is pretty complete, so it's not likely to grow much larger. --Aramգուտանգ 17:57, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not completely sure a lot of that new info isn't just copied and pasted from elsewhere. It might be violating copyrights...--Josh 22:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can guarantee that I wrote all of the new info myself, I'm a longtime contributor. --Aramգուտանգ 00:14, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: St. Joseph or Kansas City? Currently we have K.C. in birthplace and St. Joseph in origin. Brandmeister 17:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace again :) 

message: Why did Eminem refuse to sign Royce Da 5'9" to Shady Records. They were friends apparantly and on Royce Da 5'9" page all it says is Eminem was working on 8 mile. Can anyone explain? 216.58.18.211 17:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royce Da 5'9" and Shady Records 

message: Someone has removed the article and replaced it with an inappropriate statement
--Major Problem--
The entire article was deleted. can someone revert it to the saved version?
:You could.  Why do we have to do it for you?  Click the history button, find a good version, click edit, then save it again to revert the page.  I'll do it this time, but for future reference, that's how.  -Kasreyn 08:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate Language 

message: Okay, the word "dead" isn't censored both times. The song still says "dead presidents." It just doesn't say "president dead." So the meaning of "dead presidents" is NOT changed. I'm editing it out because it is wrong. Stop reverting it back.--Josh 02:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The second time I removed it I put "Wrong dead." in the summary. But I suppose that is a confusing way to word it, heh.--Josh 06:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We As Americans 

message: A minor POV issue re this passage: "the disturbingly detailed description of spousal abuse."
"disturbingly" is problematic here per WP:NPOV and WP:OR – it's biased towards an interpretation of the lyrics. I've replaced the phrase with "graphic", which describes the lyrical content without ascribing an interpretation. --Muchness 06:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV issues

message: This disambiguation doesn't belong at the top of the page. It takes away from the article. It's almost like it's spam. The 2 people out of a billion who may be looking for "Emanem" records or whatever it is most likely are going to know how to spell it. If it had the same spelling as Eminem I can see the point, but it doesnt. I'm removing it.--Bigplankton 20:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emanem? 

message: I would suggest combining the two awards sections into one, for space reasons. Nominations could be easily differentiated. Or moving it to separate article "Eminem's Awards and Nominations". Design 01:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards duplication

message: I've made a few attempts to add the "gay icon" category to this article, and each was removed and called either "vandalism" or "rumor."  The reason I propose adding the category to the article is NOT because I'm trying to imply that he's gay, but because he IS a gay icon.  Because of his controversial history with the gay community, every gay person in America knows who Eminem is.  Also, the "gay icon" category isn't exclusive to public figures who ARE gay.  It's for anyone who has had any kind of notoriety with gay audiences.  Again, his controversial history with anti-gay lyrics (and performing with Elton John) makes it an appropriate mark for him to also be featured in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.100.136 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 24 February 2006.
:Would it be too much trouble to ask you to get an account so we know what to call you?  Or at least to sign your comments?  -Kasreyn 08:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So gays don't like him and that makes him a gay icon? Look up icon first. 89.213.51.202 18:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gay Icon Category

message: I dont want to mess up the article, so could somone add Guerrilla News Network somewhere? Thanks. --Striver 14:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guerrilla News Network

message: But I just wanna mess up this 
:If your intention is to vandalize this article, you might as well not bother.  Harmful changes will be reverted very swiftly and eventually you'll wind up blocked.  Why not help us out as a constructive editor instead?  -Kasreyn 10:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gangester group leader

message: The history article was fine and someone bolded any name of anything mentioned. Along with that there are a multiple amount of links directly in the article. This needs some clean up. A notes section needs to be created and all the links dumped in there if they so important. Tutmosis 20:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Happened? 

message: To whoever that is doing this, please stop it.
Someone is removing links to well known and usefull Eminem resource links and this is my plea for that individual to stop. The links have been there for months are of definite use to many, so please do not continue to remove the links.
Thank you
If you mean "fansite" and picture links, this isn't for those kind of links. Dan 23:29, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop removing Resource links 

message: RVing the production section, alright, but what's wrong with the additions about Encore? i can find other reviews to link to if you want. in the articles on Jay-Z and Nas, they mention that they were accused of "selling out" at certain points in their career. in this article, it mentions that MMLP was controversial. so i guess i don't see what's wrong with pointing out that aside from being tame by Slim Shady standards, many fans also consider Encore a blemish in his discography. if we're talking about his legacy, we can both mention the fact that SSLP and MMLP are critically-acclaimed and that Encore and his new songs on Curtain Call have received widespread criticism. Dr. Trey 23:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Post-''Encore'' Eminem

message: Hey i changed this line from 1996-2005 to 1996-Present is this right???
Not sure. It's probably safer, though if, at least for a while, Curtain Call was his last album, and he isn't working with other rappers (not producing, but on their tracks), then no... I don't think so. It's reasonable for now, though, I think. Dan 22:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1996-2005? 

message: Adding things like "The "E" is also backwards on his album ENCORE" is pretty pointless. Obviously, "Eminem loves Lara" or whatever is stupid vandalism, but things like "Straight From The Lab EP," while perhaps are worth mention, shouldn't be put on his list of albums. Also, no need to make things unnecessarily verbose... Dan 15:48, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move debate was move. --Muchness 10:28, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop adding stupid things...

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support - I believe no vote is even required here, the page should never have been moved in the first place, Wikipedia:Naming conventions advises against such non-standard naming. In addition, I don't see how EMINEM is an improvement over Eminem, given that the usage on his albums is EMIN∃M (may not show correctly on all browsers). --Aramգուտանգ 07:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I'm trying to get the name of the man that kissed Eminem's wife right. However, I find both spellings. Articles on the BBC say Guerra. Links to the lyrics in Eminem's song have him calling him Guerrera. Does anyone have any insight or know where maybe there's a court filing that might have his name for certain?
DarkMagess 19:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guerra/Guerrera? 

message: I will assume good faith here and hope that the change to the bit about sales compared to Tupac Shakur was well-intentioned.  However, the comment in the text encouraging editors to discuss changes to the line was ignored, so I'm reverting to "He is the second-highest selling rapper of all time, behind Tupac Shakur".  Rohan, if your change was based on actual sales figures which you can source, by all means reply here.  Cheers, Kasreyn 19:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted change by Rohan Hiray 

message: I agree with AngelicWraith.  We need this page protected from anons (sigh..  again).  The level of vandalism is unacceptable.  Kasreyn 22:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admins:  request protect 

message: What the HELL? The last 500 edits have been nothing but vandalism, and I'm sure if I cared to go back farther, it would still be the same. WHY hasn't this been protected? Dan 17:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PROTECTION

message: I was too hasty in calling this bias, so I've replaced what I removed.  But for one thing, this requires a source.  For another, I really don't think we need so much detail in the article intro.
In general, the intro is too long.  A lot of the material in it should be moved to the main body of the article.  The intro of an article should serve as a quick summary of the most important points to be covered.  Kasreyn 06:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it in my clean-up attempt. It didn't flow well, it doesn't need to be specified, and Trailer Park links to an album.--Josh 09:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trailer Park in intro 

message: Eminem has NEVER lived in Detroit- he lived in WARREN, MICHIGAN (which is like saying someone who grew in Beverly Hills grew up in South Central LA).
Eminem is NOT from DETROIT he is from WARREN one of the safest cities in MICHIGAN! I have changed this in the past, only to have it changed back to St. Joseph. Any thoughts? --Zimbabweed 08:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know. Origin seems like it would be a stupendously dumb way to say "birthplace," and more reasonable for what you're suggesting. Dan 19:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he lived in Detroit as a young adult, although I'm not 100% sure about that.  By the way, while Warren is safer than Detroit, it's not exactly another Beverly Hills.  The area where Em grew up in is lower-middle-class, at best. 68.41.174.194 03:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: There's an article on the album Eminem is Back that is in need of someone with much knowledge than me to look at.  I've heard that this is a bootleg from the Netherlands or somewhere in Europe, but I know nothing about it.  Can anyone help out over there?   Thanks, Metros232 23:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Eminem is back (album)]] 

message: added a link to the remake of the "have gun - will travel" series, unsure of an exact date, but supposed to be released sometime in 2007 --andrew 15:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  paladin role 

message: The only reason im putting this is because marshall mathers lp would have sold 19 mill it would become the best selling rap album of all time but it not since that title goes to biggie smalls who sold 18 mill. and eminem records sell for the mm lp should be 16 mill and thats his best salling album next is eminem show so the album sales is incorrect please change it.i love eminem he is so fucking sexy <--Vandalism!!We dont need to know Eminemfanatic
2 pacs , 7 day theory is the best selling rap album ever pal. check it out.
I don't know if The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory is the best selling album, because no accurate numbers for his other albums have been released in years. Even though that album sold 28 million worldwide, those numbers are 6 years outdated, and with magazines giving tribute to Tupac every year and naming that album as one of the best of all-time, sales must have increased by now License2Kill 19:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is eminem record sales are right? 

message: The article as it stands appears to say nothing regarding the Source magazine release of a putatively racist snippet from one of Eminem's early tapes. This was a rather major and protracted legal event in Eminem's life; perhaps it merits addition?
Chubbles1212 06:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Source Controversy?

message: I do believe Eminem was only SAMPLED for this track, he didn't Rap on it...--Tainted Drifter 18:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Track "Bin Laden" by Immortal Technique

message: The main picture's a bit fuzzy - should not it be changed out for a higher quality one? Jerr 00:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Main Picture

message: Hmm, am I the only one who noticed the vandalism on his "themes and topic" section?  Looks like this article should be locked...--Tainted Drifter 01:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism... 

message: Under trivia I found the following entries:
Eminem is dead. 
Can anyone provide sources for these or are they vandalism?  Pogo 20:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism?

message: Could someone with a better understanding of Eminem please clean up this article? There are 15 main headings and it could be brought down to 8 I think. For example, shouldnt "Eminem in D12" and "Retirement" be placed under "success"? (which, in turn, could be renamed as "musical career" or similar?) --Louis Shum 2 10:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article too messy 

message: There is no way that this article is going to get anywhere near featured article with only two cited references. If there are parties out there interested in raising this article to featured article status who have contributed to this article, they should go back over their sources and added inline citations (footnotes, what have you) to the article. Badbilltucker 20:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article 

message: There's been a few changes recently to numbers of albums sold and so on.  Someone needs to go to first sources and check - and cite - these numbers. Currently I don't trust any of the info on this page...  raining girl 22:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: numbers keep changing

message: I feel "Eminem" should redirect to his real name, which I BELIEVE (don't quote me on this) is Marshall Mathers. Perhaps it should say "best known under the name of Eminem" or something. It seems strange to put his stage name as the top entry.
Usually on Wikipedia the stage name is used License2Kill 04:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much the only exception is Tupac Shakur. It should probably redirect to 2Pac, but he apparently deserves special treatment for some reason. -.- Josh 16:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eminem is only his stage name 

message: This article has a major problem with overzealous and overly bias fans editing it. So be sure to be on the look out License2Kill 04:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overzealous fans

message: Eminem's sold over 70 million worldwide  and that almost a year and a half ago, so it's probably more. The current article says he's sold 50 million. Zeus7 19:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eminem's Total Worldwide Album Sales Incorrect

message: Who keeps editing the discography like that? It's extremely sloppy and confusing. The other way was better and I've tried putting it back but someone keeps putting the other one.
That's Wikipedia format for discography's. This article will never be featured if it stay's like that. Also do not add sales numbers without a source. License2Kill 18:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography