Talk:Kathleen Wynne

message: The fact Ms. Wynne has stated that Ms. Rounthwaite should be referred to as her "partner" does not change the fact that they are legally married and, thus, Ms. Rounthwaite is legally her "spouse".  So, she needs to be listed as a "spouse" rather than "domestic partner" because that is what she actually is, whatever she might be otherwise.  Besides which, I should think Ms. Wynne's intent in specifying "partner" was to avoid use of the term "wife" in the press, not to avoid the gender-neutral term "spouse" (which is almost never used by the press in the way that the terms "husband", "wife", and "partner" are used).
73.162.218.153 (talk) 00:19, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "Partner" vs. "Spouse"

message: I added Minister Wynne's new position in the cabinet – could someone more wikisavvy then I fix the info boxes. 24.246.56.126 (talk) 23:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cabinet Shuffle 2011 

message: Added Election Results to WikiTable. Updated Change in Relative Party Position since John Torry did not run in this riding for a second try at it.
Richard416282 (talk) 21:53, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update from 2011 Election Results 

message: Seems a remarkably barren article, in some respects, given that she's the Premier-designate in Canada's largest province. Is she on the left of the party? The right? Where might she take the province? What has she said? Holmwood (talk) 05:37, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideology? 

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thread_title: On the political spectrum

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thread_title: On Northern Ontario

message: Often she is said to be a lesbian.  Having been married with two children, would she not be bi-sexual ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.5.39.86 (talk) 22:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bisexual ? 

message: Odd that place of birth is missing. Where she "grew up" is not the same as where she was born.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.122.14 (talk) 13:50, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where born? 

message: "... first openly gay head of government in the Commonwealth of Nations." What is the scope of the term "head of government" for purposes of this declaration? A mayor is the head of government for a city or town. Have there been no gay or lesbian mayors in the Commonwealth? Well, maybe not, but I saw an even stronger claim that she's the first one in the Commonwealth or in the English-speaking world, and that sure isn't true (the U.S. has had quite a few lesbian/gay mayors, such as the current mayor of Houston) unless the scope is explicitly declared to be "nations and first-level subdivisions of nations". —Largo Plazo (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's the case, Glenn Murray has her beat by a good 15 years  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.224.105 (talk) 05:12, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

text: Never mind. I guess as a term of art it is defined as indicated at Head of government. —Largo Plazo (talk) 02:28, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be noted that she's the first openly gay person. Richard Hatfield, for instance, was never open about his sexually but people close to him knew he was gay.  Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that the qualifier "open" needs to be there? I agree. 117Avenue (talk) 04:19, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

text: The phrase "first openly gay head of government in the Commonwealth" is attested by the Toronto Star. In some outlets, it was wrongly reported that she had "become" as much after this year's election. (Even Pink News, which had reported her original appointment a year prior, made that mistake oddly enough). I took out the reference to the claim when a user raised the case of Lynne Brown in the Western Cape. But in fact South Africa left the Commonwealth at the same time it abolished the Monarchy of South Africa after the South African republic referendum, 1960. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 06:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Monarchy of South Africa article you just linked says that South Africa rejoined the Commonwealth in 1994, in which case Brown would be first. The Drover's Wife (talk) 06:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head of government? 

message: I find it extremely surprising that there is zero mention of the partial sale of Hydro One, the reforms of the sale of alcohol in Ontario grocery stores, or the update of sex education in Ontario public schools, despite those three being major parts of her governance in 2015.  Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:21, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Surprisingly, this page really doesn't seem to get updated that often - it's not that the info is being kept out of the article or anything, just that no one's bothered to add it. Fyddlestix (talk) 02:26, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have mentioned them in the Toronto Star, W. Edmund Clark, Hydro One, and Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario articles; before then, there was zero mention.  Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:39, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also have gone ahead to mention them in this article as well. It is very unfortunate that Wikipedia's editorship is declining very rapidly to the point that I had to be the first to mention them, despite them having major national attention for many months, as well as being on the front page for many consecutive weeks on the Toronto Star (and being the focus of many editorial cartoons by said newspaper's Theo Moudakis, especially with regards to the sale of alcohol) and many social media discussions, complete with well-used hashtags; most edits since the budget are primarily vandalism and virtually nothing about the budget itself before my edits; apparently, interest on social media don't necessarily translate into Wikipedia edits.  Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It is ironic that the first person who added all of this on this article had to be a teetotal NDPer critical of Kathleen Wynne though reasonable (in other words, myself).  Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:27, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The sex ed section is much more detailed now (though elaborated not by me).  However, the parts about Hydro One and alcohol reforms need much expansion.  Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:19, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partial sale of Hydro One, alcohol reform, and sex ed 

message: I removed the abuse claim as there were no specifics to back it up. You can't just assume that any mundane criticism of fiscal policy is automatically a sexist of homophobic comment. MohammedMohammedمحمد 07:29, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The article cited doesn't give any specific examples, but a more detailed one published by the same company the day before does. See here. This harassment is, in fact, real and is often motivated by misogyny or homophobia. (Or, as I fund on a very cursory search through her twitter mentions, by anger at her acceptance of Muslim Canadians.) Would you agree that it would be fair to put the section back in with this other article sourced for evidence? --Mooeena (talk) 14:44, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Twitter is not a reliable source. If you want to include an abuse claim (which is not the same thing as harassment​) you need to list a specific incident. Previously, there was a claim that an Alberta MLA's criticism of Ontario finances is somehow homophobic or mysogenoys. This could be seen as libel towards that MLA. Abuse is a legal term. As far as the sources go, no one has ever been convicted, let alone accused, of abusing Wynne. If you mean harrassment, you need to provide a clear example. Who are you accusing of harrassing Wynne? MohammedMohammedمحمد 18:07, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Twitter isn't the source though, numerous CBC and other news articles are, and they support the content just fine. I don't see a problem, but I did just add some extra sources and context to the Wildrose incident that makes it clear this was more than a case of someone being impolite. "Abuse," by the way, is used in several of the sources, and doesn't always imply criminality. Fyddlestix (talk) 19:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that  has been checkuser blocked as a sock of , and the edit in question was made in violation of the original block of Ontario Teacher BFA BEd. Meters (talk) 19:24, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abuse Claim 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I think the term "Head of Government" in the introduction is confusing and should be changed. I think most people would naturally interpret it as head of local, provincial, or federal government, though in the technical sense it only refers to the latter two levels of government. Most people would not even realize they are mistaken or confused and thus seek clarification for the terminology. The term should be changed to "head of provincial or federal government" in the introduction. 2607:FEA8:871F:FB75:98D6:7308:C7E5:D071 (talk) 03:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Simplexity22 (talk) 01:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2017 

message: Hello,
I feel like the entire article is way too messy and should be re-written (see template above). What I would suggest is:
1) Sections need to be moreso in order
2) The difference between Sections and Subsections way too unclear
3) Too choppy, should use more prose if anything.
I honestly don't know where to begin with the article. Hopefully it gets cleaned up soon.
Tibbydibby (talk) 03:47, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:BLP Issue 

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message: This section has an unfortunate title, since the most natural interpretation of the title (before you start reading the section) would be that it deals with allegations against Kathleen Wynne (which it doesn't)... AnonMoos (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: "Allegations of homophobia and sexism"

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The source says "The government believes it will get $9-billion total for 60 per cent of the shares. Of this, $5-billion will be used to pay down Hydro One’s debt, while the other $4-billion will go towards transit and transportation" https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/hydro-one-ontarios-privatization-plan-explained/article24743446/
Right now, the WP article says "Wynne is using approximately four billion dollars of the nine billion dollars which the shares were sold for to pay off government debt before the next election,[61] and the other 5 billion dollars to the Trillium Trust to improve transit lines and to build infrastructure."
As you can see, the WP article has the numbers backwards, and the wording of exactly what the $4 billion and $5 billion go towards is inaccurate.2607:F2C0:9364:5000:29B7:94C:AB8E:2D1 (talk) 03:35, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hydro One 

message: Why the hell is there a section essentially devoted to saying "poor Kathleen Wynne is being bullied by mean constituents on social media". Like there is nothing of substance in that section except an effort to delegitimize her critics. 108.170.143.83 (talk) 14:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Negativity on Social Media" Section 

message: I can't make heads or tails of this:  
What is "turning the NDP as 'little more than an afterthought'" supposed to mean, in context? It made sense in the context of the original article, but not here. Also, this should probably be multiple sentences, and the grammar seems off as well. I think the intended meaning is something more like:
74.12.95.1 (talk) 01:46, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what it means either; I don't know whether Canada uses the US or the UK definition of "table" in parliamentary procedure, and don't know what "denticare" means.  Your wording is definitely better. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:26, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Partly done: The IP user is correct in that there is no need for the confusingly-written reaction quote from an opinion editorial when the opposition reaction is already included. Also made some minor grammatical and readability fixes. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:07, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please edit for clarity 

message: She is not the current premier, Doug Ford is. change this 142.116.194.64 (talk) 02:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The article currently says she "served as the 25th Premier of Ontario and Leader of the Ontario Liberal Party from 2013 to 2018." Is there somewhere in the article that says she is the current premier? Please let us know where that is. I'm not seeing it. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Not done: per comment above. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2018 

message: In the "see also" section the link to List of the first LGBT holders of political offices should be changed to List of the first LGBT holders of political offices in Canada, as that is the article Wynne is actually listed in. 64.229.45.173 (talk) 16:28, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Gulumeemee (talk) 07:08, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2018 

message: References to governments as administrations (see example under gas plant scandal. Use of administration while referencing mcguinty government. No such thing as administrations in canada. They are referred to as governments.). Therefore, change administration to government. 142.116.121.183 (talk) 02:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "Administration" is used in Canada. "Government" can be ambiguous, meaning both the unchanging institution of The Government (the ministries, the hospitals, the schools, the civil service, etc.) and the evolving partisan "government of the day" (the "government of Kathleen Wynne" giving way to the "government of Doug Ford") — and "administration" most certainly can be used as a synonym for "government" in the latter context. Bearcat (talk) 13:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2021 

message: In the 2018 Election section there is a typo in the first line, 'broadcasingt' instead of 'broadcasting'.  See below:
Wynne's Liberals headed into the 2018 provincial election campaign trailing far behind the PCs, led by former Toronto City Councillor Doug Ford. In early April, the CBC (Canadian Broadcasingt Corporation)
should become:
Wynne's Liberals headed into the 2018 provincial election campaign trailing far behind the PCs, led by former Toronto City Councillor Doug Ford. In early April, the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) Tedbranscombe (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the catch. In fact, the words weren't even strictly necessary at all, since the link should really have been going specifically to CBC News instead of to the entire Canadian Broadcasting Corporation — so instead of fixing the spelling, I've removed the misspelled words entirely and repointed the link to the more appropriate destination. Bearcat (talk) 13:40, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2021 (2)