Talk:Cimmerians

message: Someone threw in some anti-Israel stuff, where it says British racialist, follow by calling the Hebrew version 
“Peudohistory”.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:9401:B46:314D:E430:C3AB:B25F (talk) 17:32, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

message: I reverted Moosh 88's edits that stated the following:
1. The Cimmerians were an ancient Indo-European, who are believed to have been of Thraco-Phrygian origin. 
*We don't know for sure that they spoke anything like what we would call a Indo-European language, although if you have evidence that they did, or that they were Thracians, it would be relevant.  Actually, the king name Sandakhshatra with -khshatra ending does seem to be Indo-European, but of the Indo-Aryan (satem) family, not Thracian or Phrygian (centum).  Even so it is premature to conclude that the people were Indo-Europeans from this, since foreign-imposed kings often had such names, eg the Mitanni... More solid research needs to be added, not speculation.
2. The Cimmerians moved to the south of modern-day Ukraine (Crimea and northern Black sea coast) and Russia (Black Sea coast and Caucasus), a little after 1200 BC from an unknown location. 
*More speculation.  Cimmerians are not mentioned in any records until the 8th century (see article).
3. Some scholors {sic} believe that the Cimmerians either came from Hungary or Romania or, less hypothetically, inhabited those countries as well.
* Ok, this admits that it is speculation, so we might be able to stick this further along in the article, but probably not in the intro.
4.  The Scythians took over the area around the 8th and 7th century BC. 
* Actually, this traditional view is based mainly on Herodotus, but it has been more recently called into question, so all sides of the story need to be presented.  Codex Sinaiticus 22:04, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed totally unsubstantiated edits presented as fact 

message: Aside from the linguistic research which has been covered here, which seems to indicate an Iranic identity for the Cimmerians at the expense of the Thracian or Celtic identities, there is no indication that the Cimmerians were 'Eastern Iranian' in any sense of the word. The Andronovo Culture is unanimously seen as the progenitor of 'East Iranic' languages, just as the Sintashta Culture is seen as the progenitor of the collective Indo-Iranian languages. However, the Cimmerians are mainly descended from the Koban Culture and post-Srubnaya cultural regions, which may well be Indo-European, but which are clearly not Iranic or associated with historical Iranic cultures in any way. So it is very much misleading to write in the introduction to the article that the Cimmerians are an 'Eastern Iranian equestrian group' when it has not been determined for certain that their language was Iranic at all. It is also very convenient to refer to the Cimmerians as a Scythian tribe when they were pre-Scythian in nature. I know that they had a nomadic 'Scythian' lifestyle in common, but there were still distinctions between them. It would be just as inaccurate to say that the Cimmerians were proto-Circassian, Caucasian, 
or Thracian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.38.247.215 (talk) 10:05, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Designation of Cimmerians as 'East Iranian'