Talk:Hawaiian Pidgin/Hawaiian English

message: :The article Hawaiian English has been redirected to Hawaiian Pidgin.  This talk page is left as evidence of the reasoning behind that decision. 
:(and if someone can find an appropriate template to indicate that, go ahead and replace my statement above.)  — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 05:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: I have to wonder whether it's a good idea to call "Hawaiian English" one of the official languages of Hawai'i, when the  State Constitution at http://www.hawaii.gov/lrb/con/conart15.html just calls it English. I think it is reasonable to make the point that it may constitute its own dialect, but until that dialect is named by the state government in its constitution, it's probably unwise to say it's an "official" language. Bugmuncher 03:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Huh?

message: The relevant text is quoted here:
"OFFICIAL LANGUAGES
Section 4. English and Hawaiian shall be the official languages of Hawaii,
except that Hawaiian shall be required for public acts and transactions
only as provided by law. [Add Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]"
(italic added for emphasis)
1. As correctly noted above by Bugmuncher, there is NO SUCH THING as "Hawaiian English" in "The Constitution of the State of Hawaii". It is "English", NOT "Hawaiian English", that is an official language of the State of Hawaii. The stub/article makes a FALSE statement and misrepresents the law.
2. Hawaiian language is NEVER REQUIRED in any State of Hawaii activities UNLESS specifically "provided by law". There are NO STATE LAWS requiring the use of Hawaiian language. The stub/article makes another FALSE statement, and again misrepresents the law.
3. The mere optional use of a macron and an opening single quote (so-called `okina), by certain enthusiasts (zealots), does NOT create a "dialect" of English.
4. The claim that use of the two marks is preferred by the majority of Hawaii's people is the DELUSION of an "okina lunatic".
5. The stub/article uses the word "Standard" to describe "Hawaiian English". There is NO SUCH THING as "Standard Hawaiian English". Where are the alleged "standards"? Where are they published? Who has the authority to fabricate such "standards"?
6. The stub/article has NOT ONE reference, and NOT ONE citation.
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Agent X 09:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Constitution of the state of Hawaii, Article XV, Section 4

message: I checked a few of the resources that were helpfully added to the Further Reading section a few days ago. The ones I was able to find with my university library access were talking about Hawaiian Creole English or a Pidgin dialect, rather than the subject of this article, which supposedly differs in only a few minor ways (accent when speaking and use of native phonic symbols when writing) from standard American English. Because of this, I have removed those citations and will now add them to the appropriate article, where they may be more useful. I suggest that the rest of the Further Reading be checked by those with access to resources I do not have. Andrew Levine 23:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citecheck needed for Further Reading section

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In accordance with Wikipedia policy, I am challenging and removing content from this stub/article which lacks citations to reputable published sources. Agent X 13:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia policy and justification for removing content