Talk:Patience

message: I'm removing this because I feel it doesn't really add much to the discussion. The cited source is from this study (http://people.cs.umass.edu/~ramesh/Site/HOME_files/imc208-krishnan.pdf)
While it's interesting, I don't think the study provides a good measure for the actual quality of patience being observed in this article. For one, I don't believe the idea behind faster services creating impatient users who desire "instant gratification". The correlation here is quite loose.
More importantly, the study is measuring users under the conditions of possible malfunctioning. I simply don't think leaving a video or page you believe to be "broken" or "dysfunctional" constitutes impatience. If a user believes there is something wrong with the service he is trying to use, aside from it being slow, then it only makes sense that he may try another knowing full well that 'patience' isn't going to resolve his issues by itself.
98.210.88.228 (talk) 03:04, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of group study on patience and streaming video content

message: The first sentence of this article is not exactly right.  It reads, "Patience is the state of endurance under difficult circumstances."  This is the definition of 'perseverance' not of 'patience.'  For example, I persevered through my dissertation, but I sure was not patient.  I never gave up; but I certainly did not "bear provocation, annoyance, misfortune, delay, hardship, pain, etc., with fortitude and calm and without complaint, anger, or the like" (Random House Dictionary).
While 'patience' does have a less frequently used meaning, "quietly and steadily persevering or diligent, esp. in detail or exactness" (Random House Dictionary), it is a subsidiary of the primary definition mentioned above, as the word 'quietly' might indicate.
The relevant virtue--because it is the virtue of patience we are talking about in this article--is not identical with the virtue of perseverance.  So, I think the first sentence, which is the most important one in the whole article, should be changed.  One recommendation is, "Patience is the virtue of exercising the ability to bear provocation, annoyance, misfortune, delay, hardship, pain, etc., with fortitude and calm without complaint, anger, or the like."  I think that is very clear.  And it does not give the misimpression that patience is just perseverance. Unsigned comment by User:200.17.97.40.
: Perhaps you are on the right track. I'm not happy with the lead as it stands, in general. 
Patience (or forbearance) is the ability to endure difficult circumstances such as:
* perseverance in the face of delay; 
* tolerance of provocation without responding in annoyance/anger; or 
* forbearance when under strain, especially when faced with longer-term difficulties. 
Patience is the level of endurance one can have before negativity. 
It is also used to refer to the character trait of being steadfast. 
Antonyms include hastiness and impetuousness.
: I marked that up substantially for discussion. Grammatically, the three bullet points are required to answer to "circumstances". They don't. (Though they might answer to "ability" if each item began with an -ing verb.) In English "forbearance" is a terribly formal word all covered in purple drapes. It has a specific legal meaning (to forbear recourse) and it has a standing membership in the Rousing Sermon Club. But most English-speaking people could not define "forbearance" except as a patience-related virtue promulgated by people clad in tight clerical collars. Also, a couple of turns of phrase are less than the epitome of syntactic grace. And I'm not even sure this list is properly encyclopedic. We willingly conflate patience with tolerance when dealing with rowdy children, but not so much when turning the other cheek to Kim Jong-il. I second the motion for a substantive rewrite. — MaxEnt 22:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  For myself, I boiled this down to something more along these lines: Patience is the trait of stepping outside short-term emotional responses and reactions to take a longer view of the situation, often to respond with tolerance, or equanimity, or measured judgement. Patience is associated with deferred gratification. steadfast behaviour, self-mastery, and Eastern traditions of mindfulness. While generally regarded as a virtue, patience in the wrong context can allow problems to persist which could have been effectively confronted or eliminated. Excess patience is associated with conflict avoidance, passive-aggressive behaviour patterns, and learned helplessness. — MaxEnt 22:28, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
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