Talk:San Francisco Giants

message: Just noting that New York Giants (Baseball) now exists.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[New York Giants (Baseball)]]

message: I've begun a split proposal to create New York Giants (National League).  See Talk:History of the San Francisco Giants#Proposal for split into New York Giants (National League).  Thank you.  Wknight94 talk 19:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split proposal 

message: This edit makes no factual sense: "The Giants have never won a world championship in San Francisco, the second longest streak in Major League Baseball."
Here's the last time the "Classic 16" won the World Series:
:2012 - Giants
:2010 - Giants
:2009 - Yankees
:2008 - Phillies
:2007 - Red Sox
:2006 - Cardinals
:2005 - White Sox
:1995 - Braves
:1991 - Twins (nee Senators)
:1990 - Reds
:1989 - A's
:1988 - Dodgers
:1984 - Tigers
:1983 - Orioles (nee Browns)
:1954 - Giants
:1948 - Indians
:1908 - Cubs
←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Second longest...?" 

message: Rather than continually reverting, can the interested parties discuss their proposed changes and their rationale for including or not including info on the World Series victories by the Giants compared to any other teams? Isaac Lin (talk) 15:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Regisfugit is a vandal and sock-puppeteer who has been indefinitely blocked. faithless (speak) 18:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes regarding World Series victories 

message: My preface is this... I know next to nothing about baseball and/or baseball history. I'm just trying to figure out what is the right info on something I read. Any baseball statistics I quote could/might be wrong and were probably pulled from baseball-reference.com
I've been reading a book on Indianapolis history. 
Leary, Edward A., Indianapolis: The Story of a City, USA: The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Inc., 1971.
A portion of the first paragraph of page 142:
But the city's consuming interest was baseball. Indianapolis had fielded the Military and Great Westerns in the late 1860s and the Blue Legs, its first professional ball team, in 1876, and in 1887 it entered the big leagues. John Brush, enterprising owner of the When Store, brought the St. Louis franchise of the National League and moved it to Indianapolis. The team played in the city for four seasons, but after the 1890 season Brush moved it to New York, where it became the Giants, now the San Francisco Giants.
At baseball-reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/IND/) I found a listing for a team called the Indianapolis Hoosiers, listed as a National League team playing 1887-1889 seasons. This almost matches the information presented by Leary.
Examining some of the information on that site, I found that a number of the players were members of a team called the St. Louis Maroons before playing in Indianapolis. Again, this supports a portion of the information presented by Leary.
Some of the confusion may stem from the fact that it appears that, on the 1890 roster, a number of NY baseball teams listed former Hoosier players on their rosters. Seven of the 1889 Hoosiers were on the roster for the 1890 Giants. (One such player appears to be the 1890 NL leader for batting average [.336]; Jack Glasscock was a former player/manager of the Hoosiers). 5 former Hoosiers were on the Player's League team Brooklyn Ward's Wonders for 1890. 1891 NYG shows 5 former Hoosiers, 1892 shows 2, and finally 1977 Hall of Famer Amos Rusie 'The Hoosier Thunderbolt' sticking it out until 1895 and then back for 1897-1898 NYG seasons and then again for the 1901 Reds. 1891 Grooms [Dodgers] shows 2 former Hoosiers (one was from the NYG 1890 roster, the other from Ward's Wonders who stuck with the team until 1895).
The balance of the 1889 Hoosiers roster: 4 ended their careers, 2 stopped playing until 1894 and then one went with the NL Washington Senators, the other to the Phillies. The rest kept playing baseball in 1890: 2 went to the Boston Beaneaters [now the Braves], 1 to the Alleghenys [now the Pirates], 1 to the NL Washingtion Nationals, 1 to the AA Louisville Colonels, and the last to the AA Philadelphia Athletics.
So here's the big question... What's the story? Obviously there has to be some tie-in to the Hoosiers and New York. While browsing the Hoosiers' rosters, I found a couple of players that had been born and/or died in NY. A Hall of Famer that spent most of his career with the Giants was born in Indiana and got his start with the Hoosiers. 12 former Hoosiers were playing ball in NY in 1890. A couple of guys on the Hoosiers' rosters even came from NY teams in the first place. Too much coincidence for me. Clearly the Hoosiers weren't moved to NY to become the Giants, but obviously there is some connection. It is clear that it is likely that the St. Louis Maroons were the team mentioned in the book as they are listed as a National League team and their stats end in 1886, and the Hoosiers start in 1887, sporting several former Maroons players.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conanian (talk • contribs) 14:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Giants were playing in New York since 1883 so they have no connection with the Hoosiers/Maroons... It is possible that their is some connection with the Players League team that was also known as the New York Giants.. But definitely no connection with the team currently known as the S.F. Giants. Spanneraol (talk) 16:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I did track down some info. I found an article online about the Hall-of-Famer Rusie who is clearly from Indiana (His nickname was the Hooiser Thunderbolt!) lived in Indianapolis. My take on the article is that the National League of the time was trying to close down smaller markets. I think maybe the league pulled the Indy team to NY to merge them with the Giants, but then the whole Player's League thing happened. I checked baseball-reference.com's entry for the PL Giants (to which there is a link in the wiki entry you cite) and none of the Hoosiers roster is listed on their roster. The bulk of the Hoosiers' players went to either the NL Giants or the PL Brooklyn Ward's Wonders.--Conanian (talk) 18:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

text: As I stated in one of other responses here I have started to figure out what's going on. And, I call BS on 'The giants never played in Indianapolis.' According to the schedule page at baseball-reference.com, NY Giants payed the Indianapolis Hooisers in Indianapolis 4 games late June/early July in 1889. I didn't look up any more of the schedule once I saw that... :P Of course, that also proves that Leary's statement from the book is wrong/mis-worded. --Conanian (talk) 03:04, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Affiliation with Indianapolis? 

message: The 2010 season deserves far more detail than it has been afforded so far.  It's hard to understand why the many events of 2010, including major acquisitions and other player-related developments, are seemingly presented as a series of minor addenda to the 2009 season.  69.181.247.60 (talk) 08:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 

message: Should anything relative to the 2010 season be added on culture? I.e. Fear the Beard or "Giants Baseball: Torture"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.229.63 (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Culture? 

message: The Troy Record has started a petition calling for the World Series trophy to be displayed in Troy, NY, noting that the SF Giants started out as the Troy City Trojans.
link: http://troyrecord.com/articles/2010/11/03/sports/doc4cd0d3cec4fcd643460898.txt?viewmode=3
Fatandloud (talk) 14:14, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the first i've heard of an actual connection between the Troy Trojans and the Giants. Not sure if they were actually the same team though. Spanneraol (talk) 14:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  They were not technically the same team in the way that the Nationals are the same team as the Expos, but they are the same in that the Trojans were disbanded controversially, and the Giants were created in NY with the same group of players. Fatandloud (talk) 18:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  op-ed on Troy City Trojans and brewing trophy controversy 

message: In spite of its name, the World Series is contested solely between Major League Baseball's American and National Leagues.
Do we see other nations represented here?
It pains me when listening to Sports Broadcasters saying the Major League World Champs when no other Nation played.
Should a National sports Champ be classified as a Nation Champ and not the World.
Try and put together a National Team and play against some of the Worlds team and see if you can be World Champs and than I can say World Champ.
A National past time game Champs to be called World Champ. . . The Definition World "world |wərld|
noun
1 (usu. the world) the earth, together with all of its countries, peoples, and natural features :
Please stop using World Champs referring to MLB Champs or NBA Champs or AFL ChampsBold text.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.74.83 (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "World's Championship Series" dates back to at least 1884, and was coined at a time when high-level professional baseball was only played in America. The term has stuck, and the baseball commissioner, even now, refers to the winners as the "World Champions". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is fair to use the term World Champion despite the fact all the participants are from the United States purely on the basis that, with the exception of Japan, no other nation on earth plays Baseball to such a senior level and even Japanese teams are far inferior to USA teams. To take Association Football as a good bench mark; In the 1960s an, albeit unofficial World Club Championship was set up to be played out every year between the Champions of Europe and South America and no thought was given that North America, Africa and Asia was not represented simply because there were no teams in those regions remotely good enough to compete. It is only in the last ten years that the champions of these other regions have been invited to take part and to date the World Champs have remained either European or South American. By the same token, the term World Champion of Baseball should be considered acceptable until such time as Japanese, or for that matter teams from any other nation reach a level where they could give an average USA team a close game.Captainbeecher (talk) 14:00, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a Canadian team in Major League Baseball (the Toronto Blue Jays), so it's not simply limited to the U.S. Also, Major League Baseball teams in the U.S. have players from many countries, particularly from Latin America. But as far as this discussion goes, MLB uses the term "World Champions" for the World Series winner; it's not up to Wikipedia to decide that it's not appropriate. Refusing to use that term in this article would make the article inaccurate. JTRH (talk) 14:38, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why do you refer to a Major league Baseball Team in The USA when the win a World Series Championship. "World Champs" 

message: With the 2011 pennant, the St Louis Cardinals will appear in their 18th World Series, which needs to be added somehow to this article. Huggs & Kisses- Dupey,--75.0.32.52 (talk) 10:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the page for the San Francisco Giants. Why would you mention the St. Louis Cardinals appeared in their 18th World Series on this page? That should be mentioned on the St. Louis Cardinals page. --Jimv1983 (talk) 06:38, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  18 World Series  

message: 1.  There are now piping accents on the standard away uniform.
2.  There is a new alt away uniform with the SF logo on the chest and piping accents.  It is only worn on Sundays away.
3.  The orange alt uniform is only worn at home on Fridays ("Orange Fridays") and only with the black-billed hat.
4.  The orange-billed hat is only worn on Sundays (with the standard home uniform or the alt away uniform), and is therefore never worn with the orange alt uniform.
I do not know how best to introduce these changes to the image and I cannot find definitive sources for these observations, so I'll leave this information and these tasks to anyone who can do so.  69.181.245.156 (talk) 10:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniform picture is now out of date as of 2012 

message: I make some redirect for some messed up typos.
* S.F. Giant
* SF Giant
* SFGIANTS
* SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
* SanFrancisco Giants
* San Francisoc Giants
* S.F.Giants
* San Fran Giants
* S.F. Gaints
* San Francisco Gaints
Go Giants! --B767-500 (talk) 04:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  I make some redirects  

message: The recent lower-casing of section headers in this article looks pretty ridiculous and inconsistently done.  Many of the header titles start with numbered years followed by a colon; should the first words after the colon not be capitalized, as the first "words" of those sentences or sentence fragments? 69.181.245.156 (talk) 13:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of the history stuff should be removed altogether as it belongs in the separate history article.Spanneraol (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Technically, colons don't start a new sentence. Wikipedia's guidance on section headings probably wasn't written with this style of sentence in mind. Perhaps flipping the text around would be better (whether the contents stays in this article or is moved to another one): have the short descriptive phrase first, and the year in parentheses afterwards. isaacl (talk) 14:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization of section headers 

message: Grammar correction:
our the current World Champions
Should read:
are the current World Champions
Jeffsorr (talk) 05:34, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done Cannolis (talk) 06:09, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2014 

message: I've noticed the ongoing infobox war back-and-forth about the Giants' colors.  I don't know what would be the definitive source would be for a team's colors.  Is the infobox for reporting the uniform colors, official colors, or something else?
If it's team colors, I guess an argument could be mage the Giants' colors are just "orange and black."
If it's uniform colors, it should noted the Giants' home uniforms switched to 'cream' in 2000.  They stopped wearing white. Jeff Kent complained about this in 2000.  http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/history/uniforms_logos.jsp confirms this (and the jerseys I bought over the last couple decades).
Of course, do the colors include home white/cream and road grey?  The Yankees' infobox lists navy blue, grey, and white, but I think they only wear grey on their road uniforms.  The Oakland Athletics' infobox says green, gold, white, but they have a grey road uniform.  Should the A's add grey, or should the Yankees infobox remove grey?
What's appropriate standard?
Jjwyatt (talk) 07:18, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed back to cream & added your source as a ref. We'll see how long that lasts. Davemck (talk) 19:28, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not long.  The latest edit ignored the note asking for sources and thinks the Giants wear neither white nor cream.  Why is this so hard? SMH Jjwyatt (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giants colors 

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message: Bridesmaid? Resurrection? Awful, and whoever wrote them should be ashamed. That is all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.49.117 (talk) 23:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's not the right WP:TONE for an encyclopedia. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: This page suffers terribly from recentism, especially when compared to other MLB teams.  I am in the process of removing some excruciating detail, however it is being reverted.  The article is very large.  Much of this content could also be moved to History of the San Francisco Giants (which, for the most part, is a mirror of this article's "history" section).  Frank AnchorTalk 20:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recentism

message: change "as of 2020" in the intro to "as of 2021" Tstrass (talk) 14:36, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Why? The source hasn't been updated. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The source has been updated. —C.Fred (talk) 23:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2022 

message: The Giants have not had a team captain since Jack Clark in 1985. Not Buster Posey and not Brandon Belt. Tugboatcaptain1972 (talk) 01:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Clark was team captain in 1984, as stated on the entry... Tugboatcaptain1972 (talk) 01:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sennecaster (Chat) 02:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2022 

message: 2600:100A:B125:4B94:4122:BDB4:BDB7:C612 (talk) 06:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Mvqr (talk) 10:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Dodgers have 21 World Series appearances. The Giants 20. Not the same.