Talk:Áedán mac Gabráin

message: I created the redirect page Áedán of Dál Riata, but then it occurred to me that maybe that would be the better title for the actual article. Should I move it there? Everyking 08:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, I see someone has decided to change it. Everyking 08:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now to fix the redirects. This wasn't an especially bad example (Fergus I of Dalriada is WP:OR), but you have to start somewhere. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 09:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I evaluated the article based on 7 criteria:
#Well-written: Neutral
#Factually accurate: Pass
#Broad: Pass
#Neutrally written: Pass
#Stable: Pass
#Well-referenced: Fail
#Images: Pass
This article has failed GAC.  The referrences are all wrong- you can't just throw up some external links, then say in footnotes that the information is "somewhere" in that book.  You need actual referrences, with the book title, author, and page number.  I gave well-written a neutral because the entire article is not written in an encyclopedic manner, with unsupported OR masquearding as facts, saying that such a theory is more credible than others, for one example, without backing it up with anything.  Also, while it's not a criteria for GAC, the fact that the nominator as well as someone else listed it as a GA class article in the Scotland and Biography templates before it was even nominated for such really makes me angry.  You can declare it A class if you wish, as it's not well defined, but the article is not GA class until it passes GAC.  Please fix the issues, and resubmit to GAC when it is ready. --PresN 22:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GAC

message: "Áedán mac Gabráin (Old Irish pronunciation [ˈaiðaːn mak ˈgavraːnʲ]) was king of Dál Riata from circa 574 onwards." - this seems to imply that he's *still* king. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 18:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Adding a "(died c. something-or-other)" would fix that, I think. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 21:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Onwards? 

message: Suggestions -
* For the lead, suggest saying "Medieval genealogies..." just to clarify that we're at least close to the time frame.
* Suggest combining second and third paragraphs of Neighbors.
* Specify the Welsh poem that his mother was a daughter of Dumnagual?
* "... Adomnán mentions a certain Ioan..."
* Suggest giving time frames when the various sources were composed?
* Lots of short paragraphs. Try to combine them with surrounding ones?
* What do modern historians make of the various bits and pieces related about him? Obviously you should be using Fraser some...
* My main concern is that so much is sourced to the original sources and not much appears to be sourced to modern historians.
* The prose appears fine to me, but then I'm not a Tony. Ealdgyth - Talk 03:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for your comments. I surely do need to incorporate Fraser's work, which should hopefully fix the primary-sourciness issue as well. I hope to get this done at the weekend. Cheers, Angus McLellan  (Talk) 12:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR suggestions... 

message: As this is a featured article, is it appropriate to add  to it? Jan1naD (talk • contrib) 17:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the only downside is that the explanation on the template doc page seems to suggest that  is simply an "inline" version of that template, when it isn't quite the same thing at all. I've can't see any problem spamming Wikisource, but it shouldn't end up looking like the DNB was used as a reference. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 17:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dictionary of National Biography 1885 - 1900 

message: In this sentence "Francis John Byrne suggested that the Echtra was written by a poet at the court of Diarmait mac Maíl na mBó, an 11th-century descendant of Brandub, and was written to cement an alliance between Diarmait and the Scots king Máel Coluim mac Donnchada ("Malcolm III"), who claimed to be a descendant of Áedán.[3]" is author speaking of Echtra, which is later (in next sentence) introduced. But it seems, that this text narrates of Gein Branduib maic Echach ocus Aedáin maic Gabráin, which is about kinship of Diarmait and Malcolm. Hasn't there been "Francis John Byrne suggested that the Gein was written by..."? --Sternax (talk) 11:29, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Echtra 

message: Or traitor or whatever.
I know the Welsh Annals give the epithet to his dad Gawran, but apparently some scholars think that was a misattribution of one of Aed's names. Could use some discussion, if anyone knowledgeable about this comes through (or is it just the case we have both of them listed in different sources with the title but have no idea what the backstory is?)  — LlywelynII 22:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The Perfidious

message: ... something out of Tolkien. Sca (talk) 01:12, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: But there's a conspicuous lack of dwarves or elves. Brutannica (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sounds like ...

message: I hesitate to make substantial changes to this excellent article, but I think it could benefit from bit of additional material on Aedan's place in Welsh tradition. I suggest adding a passage along these lines to the "Sources" section:
In paragraph in the "Reign" section on Aedan's conflict with Rhydderch, I'd like add a sentence based on Bromwich:
Finally, I'm concerned about the line "A Welsh poem states that Áedán's mother was a daughter of King Dumnagual Hen of Alt Clut." I can't access the cited sources, but I have a suspicion it may be based on a misunderstanding of the Bonedd Gwŷr y Gogledd. This does give Dyfnwal Hen as Aedan's grandfather (or father), but on the paternal side. It's also not a poem. Might we double-check the sources in this regard?--Cúchullain t/c 07:17, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me. I've never actually seen Bromwich's book, so it's good to know that you have access to it! Angus McLellan  (Talk) 23:20, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welsh addition 

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