Talk:Neighbourhoods in Regina, Saskatchewan

message: Why can we not have a local issues section on the main page ?--206.163.235.114 22:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Local Issues

message: I came across this page , which discusses demographical information for each neighbourhood. Statistical information is fine, but hopefully there are other sources that provide more substance (perhaps unique characteristics of a neighbourhood, history, amenities, etc). Does anyone know of any? Perhaps neighbourhood association websites? --Kmsiever 19:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Kmsiever! I tried to find neighbourhood information for but it seems the Albert Park and Lakeview community association websites don't have a lot of the information for which we are looking. I didn't look for Cathedral Area yet -- intend to look again before the weekend -- I'll let you know. --Mumun 無文 17:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I looked through the Lakeview site yesterday and didn't find anything worthwhile either. --Kmsiever 19:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Found something on the Cathedral Area here. The topic of the webpage is a local association, but the first few sentences describe the neighbourhood itself. --Mumun 無文 02:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect! I used it to write up a section. Thanks. --Kmsiever 22:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: What is Uni Park and what is Rochdale? Are those neighbourhoods in Regina? I think not. I second (or third?) the notion that the new article on Regina Neighbourhoods be expanded to include information other neighbourhoods. There are neighbourhoods worthy of a few words. Then that article should be summarised in a short paragraph which should appear as a section in the Regina, Saskatchewan article (as per Friesguy on the other talk page). This way the NC section is not 'buried away from site'. Posted the same message on the other article. -- Mumun 無文 15:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wha?

message: I have sourced some disputed points from history and reverted some of the stats. I believe they are important to the article. If you wish to change any parts. Please discuss, I am willing to alter portions but whole sale reverts are not necessary.Thank you--206.163.235.114 02:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have discussed it. A hundred times. See above, and on the Regina talk page. But you already know this. We've been going in circles for two months on this. --Kmsiever 04:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts and sources

message: The crime stats in the north central portion of this article all directly from the Regina Police Service and are relevant to this article, as the #1 issue or charteristic of the neighbourhood is the poverty and crime.  One revert stated the stats were incorrect, what basis do you have for your ascertaination and can you link to it ?  Otherwise, please leave the stats, as they are from a reliable source.--207.81.56.49 23:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But in the above message, you appear attribute statistics that refer to the overall city crime rate. I think the current text that you are referring to is not clear enough, and since the stats refer to the entire city, why are they in the North Central section? Also, the link to the RPS that is given as a source does not open a webpage. Mumun 無文 01:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. I appreciate your offer. I'll post the stats here a little later and maybe we can get the help of other editors -- owver we've been through this before. My other worry is that with murder, we are talking about small numbers in the first place. Secondly, when the murder rate goes up from one year to the next, say from 9 murders to 10 murders, presenting this as a percent statistic is very misleading and/or false. Mumun 無文 11:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not false because that is the percentage. As for misleading, that is a personal/subjective POV.  If it bothers you so much feel free to add in the numbers in the brackets with percentage, but make sure to do it for all the crime areas.  A fact is a fact and if you feel it is misleading do not erase it but add a sentence about it.  I have read the history and although Mayor Quimby was aggressive in his manner, none of his edits were false or incorrect.  I have noticed that there are a number of overzealous editors with a particular POV and they will have editors banned to ensure it stays that way.--207.81.56.49 15:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It is notable that Regina's murder rate increased by 33% between November 2005 and November 2006. Other violent crimes have also increased: third degree assault (20%), robberies (35%), kidnapping (25%), arson (50%). This is attributed to the lack of concentration on violent crimes against persons, as crimes against persons is not one of the police services official objectives. 
Please do not reinsert. These stats are for the entire city and I don't know why you are reinserting them into such an inappropriate place. Please explain the rationale behind your insistence, Anon. IP editor. I don't dispute the stats except for the fact that they are in the wrong place. Also, this is an encyclopaedia and you cannot fool the reader into believing that such large increases are statistically meaningful, especially when the numbers are so low in the first place. Newspapers are interested in sensationalism not Wikipedia. Mumun 無文 17:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: According to this article, only "18% of the crime in Regina occurred in this neighbourhood". I don't see how this means that it is notable enough to include crime stats on the other 82% of the city in this section. --Kmsiever 19:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Crime Stats"

message: ===Part I===
I have offered to a compromise over the disputed statistics for North Central. I have found a link to neighbourhood stats for NC for the year ending December 2006. I would like to place these in the article along side the stats for the entire city to show the amount of crime in NC compared with the city as a whole.  Since the neighbourhood stats do not contain homicides, I will omit this disputed stat until such time that I can find a primary source for them, if at all.  The links to the stats are above. It is my hope that this will be sufficient enough to allow me to edit the article without creating an edit war or unsubstantiated claims as to my identity.  I feel that this is a fair compromise and hope to get some feedback on this proposal.--207.81.56.49 07:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have already stated when we discussed this previously, I see no point in including city-wide stats in this article. They should be in a city article/section devoted to crime. In addition, if we are going to include neighbourhood stats, I really think we should include them for all neighbourhoods to be consistent. I also do not think they should be percentage-based since Regina's crime stats are relatively low already. --Kmsiever 12:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree as per Kmsiever. I once suggested in good faith that such things could go into a new article called Local Issues and Governance in Regina, Saskatchewan at Talk: Regina, Saskatchewan. Vancouver and several other cities have similar associated articles. Mumun 無文 12:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I like the idea of Local issues and Governance and think we should try a move in that direction as the neighbourhoods section is becoming a dead end as so many neighbourhoods are doing fine and are lot alike so its hard to write about them. Friesguy 14:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I also agree. There may well be scope for a discussion of crime statistics city-wide and sector by sector in another article — and indeed, if such statistics were available perhaps such discussion could go here as a discrete section — but they are not and so it shouldn't. This is, as been pointed out several times, particularly the case when only percentages are proposed: these are meaningless when the numbers are small. Masalai 16:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: You mean in addition to the objections stated above? --Kmsiever 20:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, those claims have be repudiated and the stats have been checked and are correct. 207.81.56.49 compromise has been deemed verifiable, correct and the content is proper for this article. If there are any objections that carry any validity then please post them here by  17:18 UTC 8 June 2007. Thank you.--207.6.12.137 23:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You want to re-read the objections. None of them stated the stats were incorrect. And who was it that considered your...er...207.81.56.49's compromise to be "verifiable, correct and proper"? --Kmsiever 02:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please reframe your discussion, as I am getting some hostility from you. I have reviewed this compromise and feel that it more then settles the on going debate and is verifiable, correct and proper.  If you can prove otherwise or come up with a reasonable and factual objection beyond a personal outlook of it doesn't belong here, when clearly it does and many other users have attempted to state as much.  I look forward to a calm and well thought response or objection by the time limit. Otherwise, I have given notice, interacted, polled for objections and reasearched the dispute. I have found this to be a good middle ground, if you have a better one feel free to post it, and will be editting the text of the article after the time had expired.  I hope that any objections after that point in time will avail themselves of the moderations and dispute resolution tools and attempt to revert the text.  I look forward to your comments.--207.6.12.137 02:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please provide links to where on Wikipedia you "have given notice, interacted, polled for objections and researched the dispute". The rest of us would love to see these discussions and the consensus drawn in each. --Kmsiever 12:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Please provide links to where on Wikipedia you "have given notice, interacted, polled for objections and researched the dispute". One person supporting a change while four people oppose it does not make an acceptance of a compromise. --Kmsiever 14:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide links to where on Wikipedia you "have given notice, interacted, polled for objections and researched the dispute". --Kmsiever 17:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Compromise"

message: I have offered to a compromise over the disputed statistics for North Central. I have found a link to neighbourhood stats for NC for the year ending December 2006. I would like to place these in the article along side the stats for the entire city to show the amount of crime in NC compared with the city as a whole.  Since the neighbourhood stats do not contain homicides, I will omit this disputed stat until such time that I can find a primary source for them, if at all.  The links to the stats are above. It is my hope that this will be sufficient enough to allow me to edit the article without creating an edit war or unsubstantiated claims as to my identity.  I feel that this is a fair compromise and hope to get some feedback on this proposal.--207.81.56.49 07:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have already stated when we discussed this previously, I see no point in including city-wide stats in this article. They should be in a city article/section devoted to crime. In addition, if we are going to include neighbourhood stats, I really think we should include them for all neighbourhoods to be consistent. I also do not think they should be percentage-based since Regina's crime stats are relatively low already. --Kmsiever 12:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree as per Kmsiever. I once suggested in good faith that such things could go into a new article called Local Issues and Governance in Regina, Saskatchewan at Talk: Regina, Saskatchewan. Vancouver and several other cities have similar associated articles. Mumun 無文 12:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I like the idea of Local issues and Governance and think we should try a move in that direction as the neighbourhoods section is becoming a dead end as so many neighbourhoods are doing fine and are lot alike so its hard to write about them. Friesguy 14:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I also agree. There may well be scope for a discussion of crime statistics city-wide and sector by sector in another article — and indeed, if such statistics were available perhaps such discussion could go here as a discrete section — but they are not and so it shouldn't. This is, as been pointed out several times, particularly the case when only percentages are proposed: these are meaningless when the numbers are small. Masalai 16:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Part I

message: Going ahead with previous compromise, please make an objections within 24 hours.--207.6.12.137 17:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean in addition to the objections stated above? --Kmsiever 20:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, those claims have be repudiated and the stats have been checked and are correct. 207.81.56.49 compromise has been deemed verifiable, correct and the content is proper for this article. If there are any objections that carry any validity then please post them here by  17:18 UTC 8 June 2007. Thank you.--207.6.12.137 23:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You want to re-read the objections. None of them stated the stats were incorrect. And who was it that considered your...er...207.81.56.49's compromise to be "verifiable, correct and proper"? --Kmsiever 02:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please reframe your discussion, as I am getting some hostility from you. I have reviewed this compromise and feel that it more then settles the on going debate and is verifiable, correct and proper.  If you can prove otherwise or come up with a reasonable and factual objection beyond a personal outlook of it doesn't belong here, when clearly it does and many other users have attempted to state as much.  I look forward to a calm and well thought response or objection by the time limit. Otherwise, I have given notice, interacted, polled for objections and reasearched the dispute. I have found this to be a good middle ground, if you have a better one feel free to post it, and will be editting the text of the article after the time had expired.  I hope that any objections after that point in time will avail themselves of the moderations and dispute resolution tools and attempt to revert the text.  I look forward to your comments.--207.6.12.137 02:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please provide links to where on Wikipedia you "have given notice, interacted, polled for objections and researched the dispute". The rest of us would love to see these discussions and the consensus drawn in each. --Kmsiever 12:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Please provide links to where on Wikipedia you "have given notice, interacted, polled for objections and researched the dispute". One person supporting a change while four people oppose it does not make an acceptance of a compromise. --Kmsiever 14:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide links to where on Wikipedia you "have given notice, interacted, polled for objections and researched the dispute". --Kmsiever 17:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Part II

message: I am thinking that if you asked anyone under the age of 40 where Germantown was in Regina, they wouldnt have any idea. Most of that area is now known as Eastview, Downtown transitional, General Hospital,and Chinatown. I dont know if there is a blanket name for the area, I suspect not, but I will do some digging and find out.Friesguy 21:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that since it is a historical precinct, it is not surprising that some would be unaware of the Germantown neighbourhood. I only knew because of one of Dr. Brennan's books. The text gives us an idea of the location of Germantown according to streets. Nevertheless, maybe we could insert the names of the neighbourhoods that you have raised as a way to help the reader to understand the areal scope of Germantown? In the future maybe we could include a circa 1930s map that shows the locations of the historic precincts mentioned in the text. Mumun 無文 21:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a footnote as to the aerial photograph with Germantown shaded in purple in the City of Regina Archives online project Regina: The Early Years. As Mumun points out, the first sentence does describe the area by street names which is about as precise as you can get; if there is a public domain map of Regina it can be coloured in as I did with the map of Saskatchewan showing Regina's location in the info box at the top of the main Regina article. Masalai 00:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, there's the map that Mumun ordered up but I can't say I love the look of it on the page....Masalai 09:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the recently posted map is a great start. Maybe it could go through another iteration in the future. Perhaps adding the location of the Serbian Orthodox Church and, say, one other historical structure closer to Broad (i.e. on the west side of Germantown), would serve to fill out the map? Mumun 無文 18:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There you go. The historical structure I've noted towards Broad Street is the old Trinity Lutheran, across the street from the A-frame current building but also on Ottawa Street. Perhaps the Romanian Orthodox Cathedral on Victoria Avenue at Edgar St. could also go in. Or the St Nicholas Romanian Orthodox Church on St John St.Masalai 21:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've thrown them in too. Masalai 22:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: On reflection the map seemed a good idea and I have made one of the West End and the Crescents as well and added it to that section. Masalai 15:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good additions! Mumun 無文 16:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why thank you. That was a lot of work — there must be software around somewhere that would ease that path; I used MS Word and Paint! — but it was fun. The considerable irony was seldom out of my mind throughout the finicky exercise that the whole article — notwithstanding Mr Quimby's continuing vexedness as indicated immediately below on this page — was and is conceived, if you recall and he surely does not, by way of addressing his previous wish to introduce his then- and still- and there- and here-irrelevant crime statistics elsewhere in these Regina articles! Masalai 17:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Germantown

message: Could Masalai, Kmsiever  and Mumun 無文 please stop your accusations and misinformation or produce a viable alternative or a reasonable answer as to why you have stated that the statistics are wrong? Also, could you please stop the reverting, I have reported it. I am somewhat confused at the hostility given to myself and others in the past.  The three of you have shown your ability to judge and to sentence others for disagreeing with yourselves.  I would be pleased to see the reasonable and intelligent side of you three.  I look forward to some fruitful discussions on this subject. Thanks. --— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.12.137 (talk) 
:You could always try continuing the conversation all of us were having earlier rather than coming to some unilateral decision on your own. Try rereading what we wrote before. No one is saying the stats are false. --Kmsiever 12:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please Stop !!

message: Could the List of neighbourhoods/subdivisions be arranged so that it comprises two columns instead of one? I think the list is relevant. However, this is my bias but looooong lists like this with only one column do not do anything for the appearance of Wikipedia articles. Might this be rearranged into two columns? Mumun 無文 11:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At least. Where does the list come from? Whose list is it? What is the definition of "neighbourhood"? Masalai 11:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that neighbourhoods consist of physical things such as groups of houses, apartments, commercial street-front stores, and social and religious infrastructure. Neighbourhoods are also social constructs. Neighbourhoods also occupy well-defined spaces. I grew up in Albert Park -- for me Albert Park, Whitmore Park, Normanview, Lakewood, etc do not meet the criteria to be called neighbourhoods. They are simply suburbs or subdivisions. It would be better if this article would restrict itself to characterise those places that fit most or all of the criteria that define Canadian neighbourhoods. Mumun 無文 02:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They aren't strictly speaking suburbs; Regina doesn't have any of those. Vancouver has only a half-dozen (Burnaby, Coquitlam, Port Moody, New Westminster, Surrey, North Vancouver, West Vancouver....) Even Toronto has only a half dozen or so. Brisbane, a city of two million, has none at all. The term "neighbourhoods" needs to be defined within the context of the article if it is going to be used in a technical sense as is suggested by the list. Masalai 07:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of neighbourhoods 

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