Talk:Dutch East Indies

message: Mention, in WWII, the Japanese were defeated by the allies and surrendered; otherwise the article reads as if they surrendered for no reason at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.197.56.204 (talk) 21:08, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese magic surrender in WWII

message: dropped in & had a quick peek: nice work by deverm and merbabu! a few comments: the undressed 'heritage in indonesia' section seems a bit meaningless now. (also the coca image seems a bit pointless now) anyway i think: either summarise the current & contemporary influence of the colonial era still visible in modern indonesia -or- delete the whole section. --KARL RAN (talk) 12:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of that info was dispersed into separate sections on law, architecture, language, etc and into the economy section. This makes for much more coherent reading (and it avoids possible issues of balance with a section just to list "influence" which is not very encyclopedic. And, I just removed the last bit which seemed like a tidbit of someone's opinion. I'd suggest also finding a way to re-title or distribute the "Dutch Colonial Influence in netherlands" section.  --Merbabu (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: the 2011 upgrade

message: very nice article. greatly improved from when i first read it. my compliments!
i noticed this sentence: The colony was based on rigid racial and social categorisations with a Dutch elite living separate but linked to their native subjects. is very prominent (and undoubtedly very true), but the statement isnt explained (or referenced for that matter) anywhere. should be interesting to elaborate on this as it seems, from the last chapter in this article, that the vast majority (75%?) of Dutch nationals in the colony were in fact native indo-europeans (i.e. eurasians).
warm regards, --Ms.Finesse (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See the first paragraph after the table in the Social History section. It’s referenced to two sources. With regards to the Eurasian population, they were indeed, for the most part, in a social class separate to the rest of the population. --Merbabu (talk) 00:21, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  DEI 

message: Regarding this  map, was New Guinea part of the Netherland East Indies or a separate colony? 218.250.156.249 (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Historically Western New Guinea was always the part of the whole Dutch East Indies. However unlike the western parts of Dutch East Indies (esp. Java and Sumatra) where the natives are more politically and socially advanced that resulted in natives' demand for independence resulted in Indonesian national revolution (1945-1949), the natives of Western New Guinea is far less developed that barely coming out of their tribal way of life and have no demands for independence (well.., at least at that time). As the result the return of Dutch colonial administrations after World War II faced no oppositions from natives that enable Dutch to occupy the Western New Guinea from 1949 to 1962. The Dutch controlled Western New Guinea and planned to prepared Dutch Western New Guinea as a separate national entity, separated from Indonesia. At that time the former colonial power were enabled to separate their former colonies in several independence states; for example Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei are whole former British Southeast Asian posessions that finally separated into several states. In 1962 the Republic of Indonesia enforced its previous claim that all former Dutch East Indies territory are Indonesian's, and today the territory has become Indonesian province of Papua and  West Papua. Gunkarta (talk) 14:05, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: So all the maps and atlases I have, from the first half of the 20th century,  label this country as "N.E.I"  and I am pretty sure that "N" is not the initial letter of the word "Dutch".
A search of newspaper references from the period suggests the same thing.   Is "Dutch East Indies" the proper name for this country during that period? Eregli bob (talk) 08:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Are we not missing a section on sports? DEI competed in the 1938 FIFA World Cup.
First Asian team ever to do so! 4 years earlier they beat Japan at the Far Eastern Games with 7-1.
--Ms.Finesse (talk) 22:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm - not sure that is all that notable for its own section. Consider incorporating into another section. The article has a lot of sections. --Merbabu (talk) 01:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sports

message: Some Arab Indonesians served in Islamic clerical positions under the Dutch colonial administration, working with the Dutch government as Grand Muftis or in other capacities.
ʻUthmān ibn ʻAbdallāh ibn ʻAqīl ibn Yaḥyā al-ʻAlawī 1822-1914 was the Grand Mufti of the Dutch East Indies, based in Batavia. He was of Arab Hadhrami descent and worked with the Dutch colonial authorities, advising them on Islamic matters.
http://books.google.com/books?id=IbhIAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA22&dq=uthman+ibn+aqil&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tE8qU533BsjD0QG6qIDoBw&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=uthman%20ibn%20aqil&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=r6ZQfWHzP0wC&pg=PA283&dq=uthman+ibn+aqil&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tE8qU533BsjD0QG6qIDoBw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=uthman%20ibn%20aqil&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=aYtWAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA131&dq=uthman+ibn+aqil&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tE8qU533BsjD0QG6qIDoBw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=uthman%20ibn%20aqil&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=H3nHpsDBm6QC&pg=PA301&dq=uthman+ibn+aqil&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tE8qU533BsjD0QG6qIDoBw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=uthman%20ibn%20aqil&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=MUCqtpESbu0C&pg=PA84&dq=uthman+ibn+aqil&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tE8qU533BsjD0QG6qIDoBw&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=uthman%20ibn%20aqil&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=S3nlvRJyjUEC&pg=PA177&dq=uthman+ibn+aqil&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tE8qU533BsjD0QG6qIDoBw&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=uthman%20ibn%20aqil&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=WRMZ4Q4yezAC&pg=PA529&dq=uthman+ibn+aqil&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tE8qU533BsjD0QG6qIDoBw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=uthman%20ibn%20aqil&f=false
https://archive.org/details/akj9492.0001.001.umich.edu
http://www.amazon.com/Kamus-kecil-Uthman-Abdallah-Yahya/dp/B003R7JXL0
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-author=Uthman%20ibn%20Abdallah%20ibn%20Aqil%20ibn%20Yahya%20Alawi&page=1&rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3AUthman%20ibn%20Abdallah%20ibn%20Aqil%20ibn%20Yahya%20Alawi
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=subject&index=15544&key=alawi%20uthman%20ibn%20abdallah%20ibn%20aqil%20ibn%20yahya&c=x
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubc&key=%26%23x02bb%3bAlawi%2c%20%26%23x02bb%3bUthm%26amacr%3bn%20ibn%20%26%23x02bb%3bAbdall%26amacr%3bh%20ibn%2d%26%23x02bb%3bAq%26imacr%3bl%20ibn%2dYa%26%23x1e25%3bya&c=x
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubc&key=%26%23x02bb%3bAlaw%26imacr%3b%2c%20%26%23x02bb%3bUthm%26amacr%3bn%20ibn%20%26%23x02bb%3bAbdall%26amacr%3bh%20ibn%20%26%23x02bb%3bAq%26imacr%3bl%20ibn%20Ya%26%23x1e25%3by%26amacr%3b%2c%20d%2e%201914&c=x
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=author&index=5775&key=alawi%02%20uthman%20ibn%20abdallah%20ibn%20aqil%20ibn%20yahya%02%20d%201914&c=x
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=%26%23x02bb%3bAlaw%26imacr%3b%2c%20%26%23x02bb%3bUthm%26amacr%3bn%20ibn%20%26%23x02bb%3bAbdall%26amacr%3bh%20ibn%20%26%23x02bb%3bAq%26imacr%3bl%20ibn%20Ya%26%23x1e25%3by%26amacr%3b%2c%20d%2e%201914&c=x
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=%26%23x02bb%3bAlaw%26imacr%3b%2c%20%26%23x02bb%3bUthm%26amacr%3bn%20ibn%20%26%23x02bb%3bAbdall%26amacr%3bh%20ibn%20%26%23x02bb%3bAq%26imacr%3bl%20ibn%20Ya%26%23x1e25%3by%26amacr%3b%2c%20d%2e1914&c=x
Rajmaan (talk) 22:10, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Mufti 

message: I'm trying to understand your revert of my recent edit. From what I understood, you removed a reliable source because you disagree with the conclusion drawn, which is inappropriate. I'm assuming that I may have just misunderstood your reasoning since the opinions of editors don't take precedence over a verifiable claim based on a reliable source. What exactly is the issue here regarding the source's claim that the Dutch were unable to establish administrative courts? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:33, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi MezzoMezzo, yes you misunderstand me. I checked the reference and think it is valid, no problem there. The point is that this issue is in play in a later period, after 1949 (independence) and thus it is not the Dutch East Indies anymore so should not be in this article, but in history of Indonesia article/section. The source also specifies 1950 as date frame that the issue came up. DeVerm (talk) 18:29, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I get it now, thank you so much. I'm guessing that Judiciary of Indonesia would be a better choice, then? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly. The Judiciary_of_Indonesia#Administrative_Courts does not have any history at all; starts in 1986 when the court is finally established. Also, the whole Judiciary of Indonesia article should get a better introduction and link in the Indonesia article where only a small mention about courts, not even this one, is made in the government section. The Judiciary should get a small section there as well, with the link to Judiciary of Indonesia as it's main article. Lot's of work to do :) DeVerm (talk) 14:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: User:DeVerm, challenge accepted. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source regarding administrative courts 

message: For the theatre and film section, this new book looks relevant: The Komedi Bioscoop: The Emergence of Movie-Going in Colonial Indonesia, 1896-1914 by Dafna Ruppin, 2016, John Libbey, distributed by Indiana University Press. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 18:45, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  new book on The Emergence of Movie-Going in Colonial Indonesia, 1896-1914 

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message: The Dutch_East_Indies#Administrative_divisions section contains a rather long list of subdivisions, and I feel that it disrupts and distract from the "prose" style of the rest of the article. For example, we don't list all the Kabupatens in the Indonesia article. Would it be better to leave a summary here and split the list into a list-style article? What do people think? HaEr48 (talk) 07:43, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
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message: Why was "As the Dutch secured the islands they eliminated slavery, widow burning, head-hunting, cannibalism, piracy, and internecine wars." removed?
:I believe their prevalence were greatly reduced as the Dutch secured the islands, but it would be inaccurate to say that they were eliminated. JACKINTHEBOX • TALK 02:09, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  slavery, widow burning, head-hunting, cannibalism, piracy, and internecine wars 

message: I find it strange that the cultuurstelsel and coolies are within the section of History, while both were essential for the economy. 
Also, the section economy does not tell the whole story behind the profits from agriculture and industrialization. Profits could only be as high due to extortion of chinese workers. Also, while the cultuurstelsel was abolished, involuntary servitude has always been in place, and remained. This included work on roads and railroads and other transport, bridges and irrigation and so forth. All this infrastructure came about by the labour of locals. Not of Dutch labourers. Another aspect I will add is the massive contribution of forced labour in the penal system. Errenneff (talk) 09:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  exploitation and forced labour