Talk:Juana Inés de la Cruz

message: One page 168 of this book, it contains a quote from Sor Juana that she wished to dress as a boy and attend university when she was 6 or 7, not 16.  A few pages later it explains the attack on her interest in science.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8cCIcUaEznYC&dq=juana+de+la+cruz&source=gbs_navlinks_s  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.27.136.180 (talk) 07:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional Source

message: This article seemed to lack information surrounding the last years of Sor Juana's life, so I added some today 9th July 2005. The information is adapted from a web resource (www.latin-american.cam.ac.uk/SorJuana/) which I authored, and I am happy to release the text of this into the public domain. -Geoffrey Kantaris
I think somebody has been vandalizing this page. In the second paragraph of her biography I read "Fortunately for Sor Juana at first she incurred the pleasure of the Catholic Church." This doesn't make sense, but not knowing anything about the subject I am hesitant to change it back myself. Anna Lowenstein  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.6.19.87 (talk) 16:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added material 

message: I added a link for examples in English. I fully appreciate, and infact, prefer to have poetry in the original language en face. Nonetheless, that doesn't change the fact that I don't know Spanish! I was familiar with the other links and know them to be excellent resources to the Spanish scholar, but English translations were sparse for the general reader like me. Perhaps such a scholar might donate their translation of a notable example of her work/s here? Also, might someone upload the famous painting of her here? Khirad 01:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Link

message: Why was Sor Juana added to category Muses?  I'm inclined to remove but won't without discussion. --lquilter 19:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  category Muses 

message: There are many problems with this article, both of fact, interpretation and - especially - omission.  I teach a unit on Sor Juana three times a year, and I plan to share this present article with some students and ask them to suggest revisions and additions.  Meanwhile, the discussion over whether to call her Basque, Spanish or Mexican seems divorced from the context of her rich life lived entirely within, first, a small community in central Mexico and, later, the capital.  Basque folks may want to add her father to their biographical work, but there is little evidence that he was an important influence in her life.  Although she seems to have wanted to obscure her mother's status, most scholars believe Juana was illegitimate.  The births of her half-sisters in 1658 and 1659, and her removal to live with maternal relatives in Mexico City the following year, do not suggest much Basque connection.  Even more strange is discussion of her identity without reference to her own voice (poems, plays and prose).  I cannot imagine anyone reading her work and concluding she was anything but Mexican, although heavily influenced by her four years living within the viceregal household.  Her devotion to learning provided her with knowledge of Greek, Latin, Ecclesiastical and contemporary European literature (hardly the formation of a provincial Iberian), but she cared passionately about Mexican social and cultural issues.  One could make a better argument that she was "African" (I'm not suggesting we do so), since she had her own Afro-Mexican slave/servant/companion in the convent.
Bill Bollinger
The entire section dedicated to Literary Criticism is straight from the jacket cover description of the translation of Octavio Paz's book (please check the following site to see: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0674821068/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books). While much of it may be true, I find the use of material designed to sell the book questionable, not objective.  Paul Fallon  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BorderNC (talk • contribs) 20:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs Lots of Work

message: I have added an introductory line in the first paragraph clarifying that Sor Juana is generally seen nowadays (and taught in high school and college classes) as a Mexican writer. This is consonant with the article on Mexican literature in Wikipedia, which even includes an image of Sor Juana. I do not mean to disrespect the above debate, but it is also not useful to deny how she is seen. Instead of debating here, please spend more time rewriting the "Life" section, which is quite deficient.--Lawrlafo (talk) 03:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor revisions, and plea for more contributions

message: As the subject line reads, the named section contains information that would fit in better if placed in the Literary Criticism section of the article.  I also noticed that the article is written in a tone that is biased for the subject, as it uses such adjectives and phrases as "gifted" and "deep natural lyricism"--words that clearly carry positive connotations.  Therefore, this article should be rewritten in a neutral tone and reorganized so all information pertaining to her literary works is found in a section separate from her biographical information.  -71.133.163.6 (talk) 06:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life and Literary Production section too long, disorganized 

message: I have removed her description as a mathematician. Although the accompanying reference also calls her a "mathematician", it has no description of exactly what mathematical results are due to her. I hesitate to call anyone who doesn't have at least one original mathematical result a "mathematician", so I would greatly appreciate any references that highlight her mathematical work. Swap (talk) 18:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathematician 

message: Why not including a bibliographic list of Sor Juana's works? She was a prolific author and I think it's important to list her works, what are the only way we can know her thoughts now.
* Well, that's usually what we do. We need to compile and post a list of Juana Inés de la Cruz's works. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:03, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography of Sor Juana 

message: Why no mention of the film about her?
* I, the Worst of All (1990) 
Brangifer (talk) 18:59, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film 

message: Hello! I wonder whether the right title for the article is "Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz, O.S.H.". I think that if we are using her name as a professed nun we should also use her title as a sister (Sor) and her order's initials (Order of Saint Jerome) to be faithful to the style of a professed nun. Lwyx (talk) 22:06, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz 

message: Under her "Legacy," the dramatic poem Reverse Thunder by Diane Ackerman (1988) should be mentioned.
Sr. Juana Ines de la Cruz is the main character of the book-length poem.
The book is cited here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Ackerman
2001:5B0:25FF:2EF0:0:0:0:3B (talk) 05:01, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy 

message: There was a painting, claimed to be from the late 17th century, which I have removed from the article. The discussion to remove the image from Wikimedia is ongoing with this deletion request. The claim is that the painting is contemporary and copyrighted. 
: Later note - I just noticed I didn't sign the above. Either way, the painting was removed from the article and later from Wikimedia due to copyright violation. It was a contemporary painting, not one from her lifetime, so uninteresting for the article and more importantly, not one we had rights to. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 00:28, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed image 

message: Several composers' categories are applied to this article. Apart from one obscure work attributed to her, I can't find any mention in the article mentioning her compositions, nor any such categories in the Featured Article on the Spanish Wikipedia. I suggest to remove those 5 categories. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:49, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In the Spanish (Español) version of this page, [Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz], they do now mention that she composed a number of Christmas carols ("[villancico]s" in Spanish). -- Pollymarie (talk) 04:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Composer

message: I noticed that the first source on your reference list is from 1900, and that it provides most of the information on Juana's early life. Would you consider enriching her biographical information with a greater variety of sources, including some more recent ones?
You might also consider revising the introduction to the article so that it is more neutral, and perhaps adding more sources as support. For example, it is stated that Sor Juana "stands at the beginning of the history of Mexican literature," and that she is "an inspiration to artists in the modern era." These could be considered biased viewpoints. Dlevinson1 (talk) 23:23, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources and neutrality 

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message: In 2014, the following line was added, which I have now removed:
:Her interest in scientific thought and experiment led to professional discussions with Isaac Newton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Juana_In%C3%A9s_de_la_Cruz&diff=prev&oldid=631320779
The cited reference has a single line about this,
: [Sor Juana] was also a student of scientific thought and experiment, and corresponded with English scientist Isaac Newton.
There's no further citation about this. This would seem like a pretty big deal! Correspondence between Newton and Sor Juana should be amply documented and we should be able to find the letters, and it should be mentioned by several sources. However, I could find nothing of the sort. I cannot find any mention of Newton in any of Sor Juana's Spanish biographers, nor of Sor Juana in Newton's stuff.
I would love to be proven wrong! If anyone can find a more convincing source, please add more about it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JordiGH (talk • contribs) 16:37, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correspondence with Newton 

message: Seems odd that what one would think would be her most famous work (at least based on experience) is not mentioned by name even once. Now, this may just be my own personal bias, and obviously one needs sources, but can anyone else confirm/deny my suspicion? --181.115.111.90 (talk) 09:07, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foolish Men? 

message: Hi, everyone. I'm tasked with editing this page for a university class, and I have a few proposed edits. I'd really like to talk about the interpretation of Sor Juana as an ecofeminist, specifically expanding on the work of Theresa Yugar, who is mentioned briefly in the article. I'd like to add some information about religious feminism/feminist theology as well, possibly using April Young Bennett's work. I'm a little unsure about how to keep the article neutral while adding so much information about feminism. Suggestions, concerns, or criticisms would be much appreciated! Hroitberg (talk) 19:13, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed edits 

message: Not sure if this is right place to post, however, 
in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_12 listing says: "1651 – Juana Inés de la Cruz, Mexican nun, poet, and scholar (d. 1695)[14]"  but in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juana_In%C3%A9s_de_la_Cruz listed as "(12 November 1648 – 17 April 1695)"  Not sure how to correct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.84.39 (talk) 09:41, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  inconsistency of listed dates 

message: "Sor Juana's decision to cut her hair as punishment for mistakes she made during learning signified her own autonomy, but was also a way to engage in the masculinity expected of male-dominated spaces, like universities."
For one thing, it should be "such as" rather than "like".
But more importantly, this is what Sor Juana, herself, wrote about cutting her own hair (https://archive.org/details/ERIC_ED216942/page/n66/mode/1up):
"So intense was my concentration that, although women (especially in the flower of youth) usually cherish the natural beauty of their hair, I would cut my hair off, four or six fingers' length, threatening myself that if I had not mastered such-and-such by the time it grew back, I would cut it off again in punishment for being stupid. It happened that the hair grew quickly but I learned slowly, and so I cut it off to punish my stupidity. It did not seem reasonable to me that a person's head should be crowned with hair if it were so bald of knowledge, which to me was a more desirable adornment."
Because Wikipedia hates original sources, we can't just use her own words to describe why she cut her hair. But, as the quote above demonstrates, she did not attribute the decision to any desire to "engage in masculinity", but as a method to redirect her vanity toward intellectual progress. So instead, this article relies on an academic paper by Paul Allatson that muddles the historical Sor Juana with a fictional version of Sor Juana in the poetry of Pat Mora. See https://www.jstor.org/stable/29741841 pg. 12-14. 
Indeed, the whole "Connection to Kahlo" section--except for the last sentence about a day of the dead ceremony--derives from pg. 14 of Allatson's article, in which he states that "the imagery [of Mora's poem] recalls Frieda Kahlo's" self-portrait with short hair. I simply don't see how one commentator's perceived connection between a poem by Mora and a painting by Kahlo justifies an entire section about the historical Sor Juana's connection to the historical Kahlo. There does not appear to be any such connection. I would vote to delete the entire section.2601:241:481:4DC0:20B6:8A60:3FED:9390 (talk) 08:22, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection to Kahlo 

message: A painting by Jorge Sánchez Hernández made around 1980 has been passed as being a 17th century painting of a young Juana Inés. It seems that there is misunderstanding online of the age of this painting so I wanted to inform future editors in case the image is reuploaded.
The painting is not in the public domain and was previously deleted for copyright violation. A cropped version, removing information that identified the painting as contemporary, was reuploaded and added to the article. I've nominated the reuploaded image for deletion.
See this previous deletion discussion: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Juana_In%C3%A9s_de_la_Cruz.jpg
Xochiztli (talk) 07:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contemporary painting of young Juana Inés  

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