Talk:Ridge Route/Archive 1

message: Good day, all.
I notice the commentary on Beale's Cut vs. Swede's Cut and agree wholeheartedly.
I've driven thru Swede's, and there's no way to drive thru Beale's.
I'd like to add a mention that Beale's Cut was also known as Fremont's Pass.
I offer for documentation, this article http://www.e-adventure.net/land/treasure/bealescut.html , in addition to finding postcards of Beale's, under the name of Fremont's Pass on eBay.
Thank you, Gary Alexander
Hwy99Museum 17:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: older entries

message: *Gentlemen, I have withdrawn for good from this community and have also withdrawn my nomination for this article.  I am so utterly disgusted and shocked over a discussion to keep an article on a little-known branch of child pornography that I have simply snapped.  I didn't even want to sign in for this, so pardon the red link on the edit history.  The proxy will trace back to the main office of the company I work for, FWIW.  Sincerely yours, the one-time "Lucky 6.9."
*Staying after all after blowing off a great deal of Wikistress. - Lucky 6.9 06:36, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gone and hopefully forgotten 

message: What's a "turnout"? I can figure out guard rails - usually termed crash barriers here. Zoney 10:30, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another question from someone outside US 

message: I've put this article up on the peer review page since it's no longer on the featured page.  This might be a good way to give this article some real scrutiny. - Lucky 6.9 01:50, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review 

message: Hey Lucky - great pictures from those fair use sources!  Mine are now developed.  I'm working on getting them into the article (on top of what I have to do in my nonWiki life), so not to worry. . .  
Wondering how you came up with the statement that Beale's Cut is the same thing as Swede's Cut.  If you look at the External links you added previously, you'll see that's not the case.  Look at the picture of Beale's again, and then Swede's.  They aren't the same cut, nor the same place!  Beale's cut is in the Newhall Pass (Beale's Cut, then Newhall Tunnel  previously) and, BTW, is worthy of its own Wiki article under Newhall Pass - my considered name for it due to how people refer to it today, IMHO.  (Newhall Pass is the location of the Antelope Valley Freeway (CA SR 14) and the Golden State Freeway (Interstate 5) junction.  I'm doing this on the top of my head. . .  so if I'm wrong, please let me know.  It does bear checking out before RR gets to featured article status.   Also, FWIW, when I traveled the RR Saturday, the historical marker Harrison Scott and folks put up said Swede's cut, not Beale's cut.  Your kind thoughts?  --avnative 13:34, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)
:OK Lucky.  I see where you recognized your goofarooni.  I made one too above.  The name for the same passage was first called Beale's Cut (after Gen. Beale of California history fame and lore), then Newhall Tunnel, and then finally Newhall Pass (like the TV news folks such as Jennifer York of KTLA Channel 5 refer to it as).  They aren't separate places or things.  Whew!  My bad, too.
:You'll notice I edited the history section of Ridge Route to reflect that, as well as add a neat detail my Dad always has talked about - the 1928 St. Francis Dam disaster that few seem to remember anymore.  Believe me, it was a very big deal back then.  The Castaic bridge for the RR was totally destroyed in that maelstrom - just check out http://www.scvhistory.com/scvhistory/nl2812.htm  and see the pix there!  If you need to revise the text for continuity, I understand - go ahead and do what you think best.  But I think you'll have to agree, these little tidbits are not only worthwhile, but enjoyable to discover.  
:Great additions to the history section of text.  I was going to say the thing about the tourism, but I've had too many distractions lately.  One thing though: if I had to do it over again, I would have brought a whisk broom (to clean off the TUMBLE INN step so a better photo could be made of it - stupid people kicked tons of dirt on the step apparently out of spite) and perhaps a shovel for any road obstructions.  Should a list of what to bring be added - and maybe include the soft drinks and picnic lunch items as well?  Let me know what you think!  --avnative 22:59, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)
*Coolness!  I found nothing on the dam disaster and my eyes about popped out of my head when I saw that latest detail.  Too bad the Tumble Inn step was full of crud.  Is it still legible? - Lucky 6.9 03:28, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beale's Cut/Swede's Cut 

message: I have received the book from interlibrary loan, and will begin rewriting the article soon. --NE2 19:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New discussion

message: Per my comment at Wikipedia:Peer review/Ridge Route/archive1: Why not strip all the coordinates from the prose, and put a table of locations and their coordinates in a separate section. If you do, please use the new  and :Category:Lists of coordinates. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 08:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an example: Netherton Tunnel Branch Canal. Andy Mabbett 19:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree; that removes the coordinates from where they are most useful and adds a list. --NE2 03:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is an excellent example of information being placed where it shouldn't be. Most readers aren't interested of the coordinate numbers themselves, but they might be interested to find the location. What happened to the proposition to show a small icon instead of the numbers? The icon could link to GeoHack like coordinates normally are, or if inline external links are unacceptable, the icon could link to the correct row in a table at the end of the article. If a table where rows are linkable is possible, then the coordinates would no longer ruin the readability of the rest of the article, but would still be accessible from the article text and would remain printable. --Para 12:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Most readers aren't interested of the coordinate numbers themselves" when did you speak to them all? I do still support the idea of a table, though, as the coordinates should be visible somewhere on the page; is it possible for references to be in a table? Andy Mabbett 13:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: What does all this mean? In puzzlement, GeorgeLouis (talk) 23:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  move inline coordinates into table 

message: A new template, , allows inline place-names and coordinates to be given as an hcard and geo microformat pair. For example, you might want to give them for  as I have done here. Andy Mabbett 20:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does all this mean? In puzzlement, GeorgeLouis (talk) 23:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Microformats for in-line coordinates

message: In addition to Gorman, California, the following new or heavily revised articles are now ready for your perusal and cooperation in improving them: Neenach, California, Sandberg, California, Scheideck, California, Mountain Communities of the Tejon Pass, Frazier Park, California, Lake of the Woods, California, Lebec, California, Three Points, California. Sincerely, and with great good wishes, GeorgeLouis (talk) 15:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mountain Communities in Southern California 

message: I understand that there is some concern about image clutter impacting the A-class status of the article based on a comment in a recent review, so to avoid conflict, I'd like to have a friendly discussion here about what would constitute the best set of images for the article. My current thoughts:
* The highway was/is considered an engineering feat, and I think the construction photos add a lot to the article, personally. The other photo I added is a vastly higher quality replacement for the similar panoramic view, which actually shows the ridge on the left... the Beale's Cut image is only tangentially related, and can be seen on, for instance, the Newhall Pass article, so I removed that one keep the overall number down... that's my rationale for those changes.
* There are pre-1923 postcard images available depicting some of the named roadside structures. It seems like it would be nice to include at least one of these, but to avoid wasting everybody's time, I'd like to get some concensus here first. I'll work on adding some to the commons category in the meantime.
--jnkyrdsprkl (talk) 18:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article images. 

message: I nominate this article for review. Reasons why are that it was historically nominated (2004) and it's a fairly short article. It's also fairly undescriptive and has a quality of a B-Class article IMO. Kevon kevono (talk) 01:43, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This article was last reviewed in 2014, and the reviewers then agreed that it didn't merit delisting as an FA and that time. Given your relative inexperience with assessments, especially in the upper tier of classes, , unless you can point to specific items that do not meet the FA criteria, I would not give your preceding comments any weight toward a reassessment of any kin at this time. Imzadi 1979 →  01:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

text: at 3159 words, this ins't a "fairly short article" at all. I again suggest that you get more experience in working with articles before critiquing their assessments. Imzadi 1979 →  06:57, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA Review 

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