Talk:Shan people

message: This page should be dedicated as a general linkage page, since there are so many distinct meanings for Shan, such as it is also an important surname for an ethnic Chniese group, it could also refer to names of region, province, city or river.  Even though I respect Shan as an ethnic group, it is not appropriate to occupy this important page, rather one linked line should be enough for Shan ethnic group under this page, and the full text of introduction of Shan ethnic group should be discussed in that page titled Shan Ethnic Group or something like that. - Mikeqil commented on 6-21-2006
:I agree with this comment, it's just like call everyone living in the Kayin or Karen state 'Karen' there are so many different tribes, cultures and languages, while there are many common factors, there are very different ones too.
:Shan can be a denomination of people from the Shan state, or from the old Shan kingdoms, or from a Shan tribe or people groups. Tai Yai is not equal to Shan people, not in language, culture or traditions. I will look for Asian sources. Dhammadharo (talk) 14:42, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Shan refers to many things

message: I thought shan was me bro —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.98 (talk • contribs).
:It seems really unclear what you are saying, bro.  "I thought Shan was me bro" could mean that you think that you are a Shan, or perhaps that Shan are your brothers. JaafarAbuTarab 15:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  who? 

message: Shan is a generic term for Tai ethnicity.  Throughout all periods of history the Tai region has been fragmented into many small states.  The modern political party that takes up much of this page should be spun off to a separate page and reduced to a small summary on this page.  The page should cover 2000 years of Shans.  I feel uncomfortable doing this because I am not Shan.  I really am trying to be objective here without any bias either way to Burmese or Shans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JonFernquest (talk • contribs).
:Is "Shan" a generic term for Tai ethnicity? No, it is not.  The people of Thailand are of Tai ethnicity, but they are not Shan.  If this page should cover 2000 years of Shans, then type away bro. Trying to be objective, or what? JaafarAbuTarab 15:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shan and Tai

message: I am not Shan but lived there since I was a month old till six. I would suggest the page could be of more help if the agricultural produces of the state is mentioned. Whcih might help the economy minorities to the world. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.81.161.151 (talk • contribs).
:"I am not Shan."  Well, you should go figure this whole problem out for yourself, and then let everyone else know, if they are still awake.  If you want the "agricultural produces" to be mentioned, then type away bro! JaafarAbuTarab 15:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Agriculture

message: Do Shan live in Vietnam? They seem not to be one of the 54 officially recognized ethnic groups. Badagnani 00:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the interwiki, they're recognized as Sán Chay in Vietnam. DHN 02:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know for certain, but I would not be surprised if the terms Shan, San as in San Chay, Assam and Siam are all cognates.Kevin Borland, Esq. 06:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Fascinating. With a bit of research you could probably figure this out. You do know that in quoc ngu romanization of Vietnamese, "s" sounds like "sh"? Badagnani 06:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: See Etymology of Assam. I can't find any discussion of the etymology of "Siam" in any article, although it seems important. Badagnani 06:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: This article says that "Shan" is a corruption of "Siam" by the Burmese. Not sure if that claim has any merit. Badagnani 06:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only Tai language I happen to speak is Thai, but I'm going to see if I can find anything on the origins of the suspected Siam cognates.  I've done some original research on Tai etymology and links to Austronesian words though.  The most interesting thing I've discovered so far has to do with the origin of the Tai words for nose.  In central Thai, your nose is ja-mook.  A nostril is a na-mook.  A booger is ki-mook.  The Tamil word for nose is mook (Tamil is not Austronesian, but I believe the mook was borrowed sometime around when the Sri Lankan monks came to Thailand to spread Theravada.)  However, the Thai word for the bridge of one's nose is dang.  In Lao, dang is the generic word for nose.  This is interesting because the proto-Tai-Kadai word for nose appears to be something along the lines of i-dang, whereas it is ngi-jung in Austronesian with some branches having forms very close to i-dang including i-rong (Tagalog) qi-dong, etc.  The Thai word for bird nok also seems to match its Austronesian counterpart.  I find this kind of stuff very interesting.Kevin Borland, Esq. 06:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I think Khmer, though an unrelated language, has a similar word for "nose." Regarding the Indians who brought Hinduism, they may have been from South or Central India (never heard Sri Lanka), but I don't know if they were Dravidian speakers; most of the loanwords seem to come from Sanskrit-based languages like Pali or Prakrit. Another professor at my university is a Thai specialist and just returned from a visit to the Dong people in Guangxi; he didn't note any vocabulary similar to Thai although Dong is apparently a Tai language. Badagnani 06:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Presumably you've seen this? Badagnani 06:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnam? 

message: Edit here. Badagnani (talk) 09:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do Shan live in those places? There are Tai peoples there, however, I am not sure what difference that makes? FYI, I didn't erase the two countries.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardtgreer (talk • contribs) 21:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cambodia and Vietnam just removed without comment 

message: Editors should see Zomia (geography) and James C. Scott, author of The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia, Yale University Press, 2009 . The premise is that orogeny sets the stage for political conflict in continental "shatter zones." See also 
--Pawyilee (talk) 03:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zomia 

message: While trying to "decode" a book on Sri Suriyothai, I stumbled upon  in the phrase  as an alternate of Tai Yai. 
:Found เงื้ยว in 
--Pawyilee (talk) 04:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thai terminology 

message: I have noticed in the info box which contain the list of Shan kingdom, in case of Assam or Ahom Kingdom, the only information given was that it was a Burmese vassal. I would like to inform that Burmese invasion occured at the final stage of the Ahom rule, which was very brief if you compare the 600 years rule of Ahom dynasty. Burmese invasion brought ultimate ruin and destruction of Assam and contemporary Ahom chronicles recalled those days as reign of terror by Burmese. I can provide names of many such books or chronicles. It should be noted that the Ahoms were excelled in the art of writing and maintaining historical records. I have already edited that section once and have given few references, yet it seem some Burmese guy must have deleted my edits and again posted the previous information to show that Assam was a Burmese vassal without even thinking to examine the references. Therefore i have edited that section again with references and will put some more references. I request my unknown Burmese friend kindly reconsider to examine the references or read this talk rather than driven away by over nationalistic view.Lachitbarphukan (talk) 08:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Assam

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message: Haplogroup CF and Haplogroup CT#Subclades suggest that the Shan people may have interesting ancestry and genetics, which should be added to this article. Daask (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetics