Talk:Claddagh ring

message: A full length artical about the Claddagh Ring and Claddagh village is available under "Claddagh Village" in the encyclopedia.
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I believe much in this article is copyvio -- it's hard to tell, though, since it's been here since August and it's replicated in some parts of the net by virtue of being here.  Still, I am sure that some of it is a quote, and I think much of it is lifted from elsewhere.  Anyone have a thought on this, or an idea of what to do?  I don't know if we should delete and start over, or just assume that having it in the history is a minor offense... Jwrosenzweig 15:59, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: This site supports my belief.  This site doesn't.  I fear we need a carefully worded explanation of the diverse opinions....unless this is cultural as I suggest above.  Any help is seriously appreciated. Jwrosenzweig 09:56, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The way the article is now written is the tradition as I learned it (heart facing body equals married), and as I've seen it done in both Irish and Irish-American families from a variety of locations.  I've never heard of the opposite being done.  Are you saying that the tradition you learned was of the heart worn facing out to indicate marriage, and in to indicate less-serious relationships?  Where is this the tradition? --Kathryn NicDhàna  ♫♦♫ 06:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Many of these statements are unsourced and quick google searches that I've tried haven't been able to support them. For example "The popularity of the TV show led to an increased popularity of the rings." has no source, and many different keywords didn't locate data to even show escalated sales after episodes airing, and in no way at all made any link between buffy and sales. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bifgis (talk • contribs) 20:23, December 3, 2006
:Agreed, this article really needs sourcing.  The Buffy thing is true, but possibly not verifiable. My "sources" are catalogs, street vendors, internet vendors and eBay.  Whereas before the show the rings were rarely seen outside the Irish community (and diaspora), now they seem to be everywhere.  --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 20:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations! 

message: From first paragraph, this information is irrelevant to the article. 87.210.35.24 (talk) 13:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ...during the rule of Queen Mary II

message: I think it'd be useful to specify exactly what it means for the design to be 'pointing inwards' - what part is pointing in?  Is the point of the heart towards your hand, or is it the crown that's towards your hand?  I'd put in the info myself, but I honestly don't know.  -Elizabennet | talk 18:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we've had some confusion over how to best describe this. If you look at the picture of the ring, that's the design right side up, with the crown up top and the point of the heart at the bottom. So, "facing outwards" means the point of the heart is away from the body, and the crown closer to the body. The design looks right side up to someone viewing your hand. If the design is "facing inwards" it means that when you look down at your own hand, the design is right side up (crown away from body, point of heart towards body). Does this make sense? I certainly welcome a clearer, more concise way to describe it, as people keep getting confused about this. Slán - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 01:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design 

message: If anyone knows how to pronounce claddagh, and they want to add a pronunciation, that would be awesome. My mom says this word "Claude". I usually say "clad-dag" but I have no idea what the correct pronunciation is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurajbo (talk • contribs) 14:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Its like clad-ah. You silly Americans – :P 86.42.12.126 (talk) 14:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: actually claddagh is prounounced "clod-uh"  XD- edited by a silly american  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.186.129.199 (talk) 19:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Within Australia, I hear the word pronounced as 'clad-ah' by those with an Irish accent, and 'clod-ah' by non-Irish, in order to mimic the way the word sounds with an Irish accent. – 58.178.148.161 (talk) 13:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: *This article could use some really healthy background, and a paragraph from William Jones' Finger Ring Lore (London, 1890, sorry, I don't have it in front of me now) would do wonders. Jones explains this ring as exclusive to the fishing village of Claddugh [his spelling], is a species of fede ring, owes some design inspiration to the gemell ring (twin, interlocking rings). Furthermore, Jones makes it clear that the native women of the xenophobic village of Claddugh passed a ring from mother to first-wed daughter, as an heirloom. Therefore, Jones says, it was exclusively Claddugh's custom. Finally he says "these rings are still worn... today" [meaning 1890] and that they are "very old." Ideas?
04:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  If anyone's reading.... 

message: OK, the legends behind the Claddugh have NO known citations in the literature such as it is. Jones is the ultimate authority on ring lore, and he makes no mention of any legends behind Claddugh rings. Can we somehow just put the original reference or citation of where these stories have been reported? Otherwise they should be removed from the article. And I will remove them if the work isn't done. I've tried and cannot justify the presence of these "legends of the Claddugh ring".75.21.146.222 (talk) 10:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This Claddagh piece points out that Hardiman's story about Joyce doesn't include all the 'forging a ring in exile for his Galway girlfriend' stuff. That may be as difficult to pin down as some of the other legends. Lelijg (talk) 16:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Info on the Margaret Joyce legend here Lelijg (talk) 17:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some clarification on legends, please 

message: Something vital about the classification of the Claddugh ring: this article rightfully mentions the fede ring (mani-in-fede). However, Jones and Kunz do NOT classify the Claddugh as a fede ring--it is "an Irish WEDDING/BETROTHAL ring" as these scientists classify it.
A fede ring has clasped hands--the Claddugh does not have clasped hands. So it's inspired by the fede but is not a fede in itself. To say Claddugh is "inspired by" the fede ring is correct. If no one has a heart attack, I'm going to try once again to rectify the rhetoric of the article ref this point.
May I also give another stab at re-writing the orientations of the ring? Can I just say it's a subject that has altered over the years? Though Jones is clear enough, and as he is the oldest and best source, well....75.21.152.167 (talk) 16:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claddugh, a historical definiens 

message: Some records by Scottish band Simple Minds have a Claddagh symbol on the cover (Live in the City of Light, Silver box...), maybe someone will want to add it to the "Modern usage and the Claddagh in Folklore and Fiction" section.
... and I don't remember "when worn on the left hand, facing in, in the usual "married" configuration - as meaning, "the wearer is destined to be with his or her love forever." in the TV show Buffy the Vampire Slayer... Maybe the source (the book "Bite Me") is wrong... the dialogue in the show is (season 2 episode 13 "Surprise") :
"It's a Claddagh ring. The hands represent
friendship, the crown represents loyalty.
The heart, well, you know... Wear it with
the heart pointing toward you, it means you
belong to somebody."
It's Angel talking to Buffy, while giving her his ring.
Hope this helps,
Megatof (talk) 20:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is good resource material for modern usage in a very limited way. The reference to the band and to "Buffy" apparently must be fitted in someplace. However, you must supply the evidence and be sure no copyright violation is occurring--you can show the band's cover art. As to "Buffy", I think it is MORE THAN ENOUGH that it's even mentioned in the article. We need less garbage, not more.75.21.119.97 (talk) 17:10, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Jumping back in to remind anyone to LOOK HERE 1ST if you want to edit the page. Too much garbage has been added to this in the past, and there is even an admonishment about adding unnecessary material here. I did not add that notation, but I applaud it. If it isn't verifiable Claddagh-ring-related, DON'T ADD IT HERE. Also, let's leave off the "Buffy" references. Just mentioning it with its cited source is more than enough. And I take back anything I said about the band Simple Minds. We can say they often use the ring on their cover art and no more. I don't think it would be wise to use a photo of any of their art here.75.21.119.97 (talk) 17:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple Minds... and Buffy 

message: The Claddaugh ring has also been used a lot on Days of our lives. 67.78.233.99 (talk) 13:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Usage 

message: Hopefully this article is now clean and good enough for the removal of the request for citations/cited sources. I have removed it because it is totally unnecessary. Any floating admins out there come take a look and see for yourselves. Of course if someone swoops in here and adds more crapola to the article, it negates everything I hoped to achieve.75.21.154.247 (talk) 19:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  No need for citation-begging 

message: Apologies, that's why I jumped back in--I read the Hall quote. It is spectacular, I love it, but... I cannot find the precise connexion or proof that Jones necessarily copied Hall. Inspired by Hall, yes, lifted the structure of the text, yes! Probably did copy Hall. Just...I would ask, can we not place the Claddagh ring quote itself (from Hall) into the text of the article, next to Jones'? It certainly belongs there!75.21.155.143 (talk) 17:59, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Chambers (1863) copied Hall (1843), and then Jones (1877) cites Chambers although he didn't copy him word for word. All 3 use the same pic. Lelijg (talk) 12:25, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hall Belongs! 

message: PLEASE STOP removing the above authors from the References section. These are authoritative books and the only existing books about rings. You will be reported if you persist in this. Those are legitimate (and were rightfully cited until someone moved them).75.21.144.68 (talk) 14:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations from McCarthy, Kunz and Jones 

message: Please find interesting and really noteworthy references to the ring in pop culture, not just a list of "where's Waldo". Meantime, silly references and the "cruft warning" have been removed. We don't need that tired old finger-wagging on there either.76.195.82.230 (talk) 05:04, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture is OK, but... 

message: ...Even though you no longer seem to exist here, leave the article alone unless you plan to improve its content and information. Clearly you and someone else I cannot yet discover have tried to ruin the correct content.
We should NOT accept these major changes without consultation here on the talk page. I notice a lot of the new informaiton added here is from some gimmicky store's website. Enough! Any such careless or flimsy changes will be reverted.75.21.107.151 (talk) 08:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  To BelleVictoire... 

message: Two main issues crop up after looking at January's edits to this page.
# Reliable sources. I've got hold of McMahon's book (The Story of the Claddagh Ring, Sean McMahon) cited in some new edits. This seems like a reliable source by an established writer on Irish/historical topics and after a quick read I'd say it supports most of our origins section. But it certainly does not support the idea that there are four "symbolic" ways of wearing the ring. McMahon gives the more familiar three ways, so I'm writing it the way he describes. I'm also removing the links to websites which don't have much claim to be reliable sources. Also, as far as I can see, McMahon doesn't say that stuff about bad luck or about the other hand in cultures where wedding rings are worn on the right finger. It's not in the same chapter as the "three ways" material.
# Copyright. The legends section has twice had text from another website added to it. (http://www.galwayphotographssite.com/story/claddagh_ring.html) See WP:COPVIO for explanation of why this is not OK.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lelijg (talk • contribs) 13:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well said, and for the silly Wikirecord, I second your opinion.75.21.158.211 (talk) 17:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes, reliable sources, copyright etc. 

message: Hey, IP 156.17.164.155 ! We've got your number and an eye on you. Stop clowning with this article unless you have the courage to iron things out on the talk page.
Keep warring with Lelijg and I'll have the admins on you for edit warring. I've said it before: ENOUGH !75.21.150.44 (talk) 09:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war has been noted 

message: Shouldn't we simply create a "Wearing Traditions" section that would loosen the reins a bit on restrictions? Not to suggest we have them run rough-shod over us, but to give itchy editors a place to add their writings without compromising the hard work you and I have done legitimately.
By the way, beware of yet another IP starting with 80. This one is a handful, leaving sexual messages and is currently under an outright ban. The ban is scheduled to be lifted in a day, I think. My suspicion that I know this user was confirmed by an unpleasant Amazon comment-post I saw.
Be careful! This is probably the vandal who's attacking here.75.21.150.44 (talk) 10:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Lelijg, jumped in to tell you I have somewhat restored the wearing traditions that you said you culled from McMahon (sp.?) - tidied up a little bit. Let me know if it is acceptable.75.21.150.44 (talk) 10:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it looks fine. I changed the 'of course' because I feel almost sure it is un-Wikipedian though I can't name chapter and verse of policy. Then I added quotes from McMahon which I hope will "legitimise" our writing about varying traditions without having lots of citations. I like the idea of a 'Wearing Traditions' section in a way, but perhaps it would encourage too much rambling about fingers, ring orientation, dating status etc.? The alternative might just be to tidy up now and again and/or ask people for sources. Lelijg (talk) 11:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Another thought - Can we really start a section on a theme with no or very few reliable sources? Lelijg (talk) 12:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Lelijg thanks for rectifying the McMahon reference; I'd forgotten about that and I knew I had screwed it up somehow.75.21.157.38 (talk) 15:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you did anything wrong! Lelijg (talk) 12:30, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wearing Traditions ... what do you think, Lelijg? 

message: L., and any other editor around (yeah, right) it would be nice if this user could at least have some courtesy and come to the talk page before adding goofy things. Oh, I'm all in favor of us learning from our errors, as I do quite often - but this is just plain weird.75.21.157.38 (talk) 13:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Historyofalaska 

message: Please, DO NOT ADD films or TV shows into this article. It is about the Claddagh ring, not about film, television or other non-notables.
 Also, we do not need lists of people who have worn or exchanged the rings. Djathinkimacowboy 08:54, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=|link=]]  About TV, cinema and famous folk: 

message: Proposition: Regarding how the Claddagh is traditionally worn ... we have a source which has been criticised and frankly I do not like it either. What if we streamline that source and find a better citation that tells us no one is really sure how the thing is worn in specific? What if it said just that? - "No one knows for certain how the ring is to be oriented, or on which finger it should be worn." IF we can find a source! Frankly I'm not at all happy with that part the way it stands. It needs some changing. Thoughts?—Djathinkimacowboy 20:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that finding a source for "no-one can be sure" would be fantastic. But I have no idea where. I thought McMahon's overview of common practice was OK-ish. The more recent version is reasonably mainstream too, though the source is not ideal. Does anyone have any idea when or where any of the "orientation" customs arose? They don't seem to go back to the era when non-Galway people first discovered the Claddagh ring. Lelijg (talk) 14:09, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposition for details re: the wearing of the Claddagh 

message: A recently-added section saying Queen Victoria, Edward VII, and Queen Alexandra used to wear Claddagh rings doesn't seem reliable because the only source was the website of Dillon's, the Galway jeweller. Dillon's used to present Claddagh rings to visiting VIPs but there's no evidence I know of that any of the people mentioned wore the ring regularly. One of the earlier Dillons (quoted by McMahon) claimed Edward VII wore it when "passing through this portion of his dominions" but, even if true, that wasn't very often! After the visit when he was given the ring (1903) I don't think he ever went back to Galway, and only made a couple of other visits to Ireland. I looked for evidence that Queen V. wore her ring but found none. Lelijg (talk) 15:42, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Lel. With you, I have to agree (albeit a bit late). Neither have I found any source that states any of the royals wore a Claddagh ring. In fact the best sources only tell us the children of King George V wore their signet rings per custom, and that the Duke of Windsor wore two Cartier Trinity 'puzzle' rings in place of any signet. Photos of the duke in his early years of marriage show he wore a plain wedding band with a heavy stone-set ring on top of it - and that is all regarding rings on modern royals. Photos exist of a beringed King Edward VII as well as Prince Leopold, but they are not enough evidence to show whether these men wore Claddaghs.~©Djathinkimacowboy 04:43, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  In fact my recent work here at Pinky ring shows Prince Leopold (I plead guilty for that one but have excellent refs). I have heard it said quite a bit that he was wearing a Claddagh on there someplace in that stack of rings, but my OR showed me Leopold was not wearing a Claddagh ring. I have never in my life read a source that claims Queen Victoria wore a Claddagh - but I know Queen Elizabeth doesn't wear one either.~©Djathinkimacowboy 09:57, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim about members of British royal family 

message: I removed this text about a legend from the Joyce family which doesn't seem to have anything to do with Claddagh rings: "A more mystical legend is also associated with the Joyce family: Margaret Joyce used her inheritance (from her late husband, Domingo de Rona, a wealthy Spanish merchant who traded with Galway)James Mitchell. (1985.) The mis-titled "Joyce" tomb in the Collegiate Church of St Nicholas, Galway, vol. 40. to build bridges in the province of Connacht. In 1596, she remarried Oliver Og French, Mayor of Galway.Claddagh Museum at Thomas Dillon's Claddagh Gold, Galway, Ireland." (Also, how is this "mystical"?) 128.148.231.12 (talk) 13:08, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant Joyce family legend 

message: Somebody might want to add a short paragraph about how some of these rings were made.  In Ancient Roman times, many specimens of this type of ring were Bronze.  Marc S. 206.192.35.125 (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Description of material and appearance

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message: Has any scholarship been done that shows a connection between the development of the Claddagh to multicultural historical and prehistoric Yoni symbols. At least visually the connection seems almost obvious, but of course it could just be an independent development. Mklrly (talk) 19:09, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claddagh as Yoni symbol? 

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