Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog 2

message: This dif sums up the dispute pretty well. The IP wants to label it a remake. I feel that's inaccurate, because its still essentially the same game. The IP disputes the accuracy of term "port" though. I figured there's probably a third option that describes it even better, but I wanted to follow WP:BRD instead of arguing through edit summaries.
Honestly, we don't have to use either term, we can just call it what it was - a 2013 re-release for mobile platforms. The subsequent sentences cover the details of what exactly that meant (Done by Taxman in the retro enging, some enhancements added, etc.)
*Original version - A remastered mobile port was released for iOS... on December 12, 2013.
*IP's version - A remake was released for iOS... on December 12, 2013.
*Alternate proposal - A new version of the game was released for iOS... on December 12, 2013.
===Discussion===
*Support original or alternate, Oppose IP version. Per comments above. Sergecross73 msg me 17:24, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'd be fine with that too, if that helps a consensus. "Remake" is really the term I oppose, because it's really just the original game with a few add one, not a fully remade game. Sergecross73 msg me 01:54, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: *Some games, like Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, blur the line between a remaster and remake, but that simply isn't the case here. Thinking more about it, I think "enhanced" is a better term to use here, as it's not seen as strongly as remaster can be. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:50, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Label for 2013 mobile release 

message: *Support original or alternate, Oppose IP version. Per comments above. Sergecross73 msg me 17:24, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'd be fine with that too, if that helps a consensus. "Remake" is really the term I oppose, because it's really just the original game with a few add one, not a fully remade game. Sergecross73 msg me 01:54, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: *Some games, like Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, blur the line between a remaster and remake, but that simply isn't the case here. Thinking more about it, I think "enhanced" is a better term to use here, as it's not seen as strongly as remaster can be. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:50, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

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The result of the move request was: not moved   Calidum 18:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 →  – I admit I have played this game so many times in my lifetime, but due to the upcoming film next month and the 8-bit game, I do not see this article as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC anymore and request this article be moved to a more fitting title. JE98 (talk) 22:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

text: *30 years isn't long enough to claim RECENTISM? Sergecross73 msg me 15:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

text: *:Considering some things date back thousands of years, I'd say not really. Especially since it's two things in the same franchise. Now, the opposition to, say, the move of Dido (Queen of Carthage) to Dido due to the singer also being named the same thing is what I'd really call recentism.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: *Right, I understand that. But conceptually, I don't see why the same concept wouldn't apply to a subject thirty years old and a subject negative 30 days old. It's scalable. This just feels more like a conversation we should be having in 6 months when release hype dies down. Sergecross73 msg me 23:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

text: I agree that it’s best to wait.--65.93.195.118 (talk) 16:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 7 March 2022 

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The result of the move request was: Not moved and closed – Upon the negative response, I have decided to close this move request. I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused and I will reconsider a move request at another time.  JE98 (talk) 16:30, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 →  – I think now is an appropriate time to make this request again, as the film has done significantly well. I enjoyed that movie and like I said, I have probably played this game more than a hundred times in my lifetime, but it is clear to me that this video game is no longer the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I realize this may echo WP:RECENTISM and I get that, but considering the thirty year gap between this game and the film, I think now is a more appropriate time to discuss.  I would like to invite you guys to comment as well. JE98 (talk) 22:19, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 26 April 2022 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Sonic prototype and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12#Sonic prototype until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 13:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sonic prototype" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Sonic 2 Long Version and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12#Sonic 2 Long Version until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 13:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sonic 2 Long Version" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (mame) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12#Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (mame) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 13:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (mame)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Under the section "Gameplay", paragraph 3, is the sentence:
Sonic can transform into Super Sonic by collecting 50 rings.
In this sentence, Super Sonic is a link - and although the reference is to the fictional character, the link leads to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_speed
(This same issue also exists on the page "List of Sonic The Hedgehog characters")
If "Super Sonic" does not have an individual page, would it be better to link to "Sonic the Hedgehog (character)" ? 97.127.225.51 (talk) 03:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like someone relatively recently changed a redirect without discussion, and it messed things up. I've reverted their changes and suggest they start a discussion before changing again. So...its fixed for now, but may need future fixing depending on the consensus of hypothetical future discussions. Sergecross73 msg me 17:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "Super Sonic" listed at RFD. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 18:07, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal link points to unintended Wikipedia page 

message: @TheJoeBro64, video game research scene is certainly not in source. It appears like it is term made up for the article, which feels inaccurate to me as we are talking about fans datamining the game. But my wording of fan scene is admittedly not much better. IgelRM (talk) 13:09, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I also kind of furrowed my brow at that part, it feels like a sort of vague term. We can probably get more specific by reproducing what the source says more directly. Popcornfud (talk) 13:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to "datamining community" JOEBRO64 16:14, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to read this comment three times before I realized you hadn't written "dating community". How disappointing. Popcornfud (talk) 16:25, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sonic 2 inspired the creation of Tinder but I couldn't find a source so we'll have to settle for datamining. Sad. JOEBRO64 16:36, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Thanks, that's sounds understandable. You won't like me going on, but citing app downloads based on store listings is unreliable and these are combined with a free-to-play label. That such important policy issues slipped through FARC seems like a WP:VG thing. IgelRM (talk) 20:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "video game research scene" 

message: There was a commercial for Sonic The Hedgehog 2 where customers could get the game for free when they bought the Sega Genesis bundle that included the first Sonic game by way of a mail-in order (only shipping and handling had to be paid). I've been trying to find a more appropriate source for the purposes of eligibility to the main article, but have been unsuccessful; all I could find was the actual video which you can see here. ElMeroEse (talk) 07:20, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic 2 Commercial 

message: By the non profit video game historian organisation, they also found extra animations/sprites for the winter level, wood zone and dust Hill, all relevant information is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJ4uEcJJtA Charliephere (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It has since been added to the article. Sergecross73 msg me 01:22, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Cyber/Genocide city level has been reconstructed  

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. After extended time for discussion, no consensus has emerged in favor of the proposed move.  BD2412 T 02:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 →  – Now that it has been nearly two years since the film was released, I feel now is an appropriate time to rehash this discussion. This article is in no way the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC anymore, as the film's article, despite being released nearly two years ago, still gets significantly more page views than this article. JE98 (talk) 10:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree that WP:RECENTISM applies I don’t believe anyone is claiming that the film has become the primary topic some no one has suggested Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (film) be moved to Sonic the Hedgehog 2.--67.70.101.200 (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: Relisting for clearer consensus as to whether any change at all to the status quo should be made. BD2412 T 00:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose, but I do think that renaming the page "Sonic The Hedgehog 2 (1992 video game)" wouldn't be a bad Idea. Overall, when you bring up Sonic 2, I'd imagine more people would think to the video game than the movie. MrNoobNub2 (talk) 21:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 11 March 2024