Talk:America the Beautiful

message: An infobox was requested for the 1972 Ray Charles recording of "America the Beautiful" at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/List of notable songs/1.
:There was one added and I reverted it.  It seemed a little ridiculous to put an infobox for the Ray Charles recording and not the THOUSANDS of other recordings of this song.  —  MusicMaker5376 21:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ray Charles

message: Poetical text that is not being analyzed doesn't belong in the encyclopedia tjus is not corectld be different. Wetman 01:05, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poetical text 

message: An automated Wikipedia link suggester has some possible wiki link suggestions for the America_the_Beautiful article:
I went over these.--Pharos 07:45, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's proper to link to archive.org because that means the link is dead on today's version of the web and you're linking to something that no longer exists on the web except in the wayback project's archive.  At any rate, the link is broken so I removed it.  The Antlers Hotel/history: where Katherine Lee Bates penned... Wikidemo 01:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest 4 possible wiki links for [[America the Beautiful]]. 

message: The supposed link to a .ogg file just links to this same page. The 'info' link leads to nowhere. I don't know the actual links - someone should fix this, needless to say.
*Replaced with external link from The Cyber Hymnal today.  Thanks for alerting editors to this defunct file.  The Cyber Hymnal recording is probably not under copyright as Daryl Dragon's piece might have been, so hopefully it will stick around a good long while.  --avnative 12:02, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music file missing 

message: I believe it must be possible to find an mp3 or wmv or whatever other sound file (apart from midi) somewhere on the web. America the Beautiful is such a wonderful song, there must be something on the web! ;) --Maxl 00:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  mp3 mpg or wmv 

message: Why is it that some people have a difficult time accepting that this song's melody is based on a Bach harp concerto?? I have added this valuable piece of information twice and it keeps getting deleted for "lack of documentation." Listen to the bloody composition and you'll have your proof. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.152.199.196 (talk • contribs) .
*Listening to it is not necessarily sufficient, because that's always subject to interpretation. Find a reliable source that makes this claim. Wahkeenah 06:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melody 

message: Today I added this section, and while the name of Rush Limbaugh may be controversial to some, the intent of this addition is illustrate a popular usage of a recognizable portion of this hymn. While I'm certain that there are those who may be put off by the presence of his name, the daily use of the words "across the fruited plain" is a factual thing. With that, I invite others to contribute other usages of phrases, such as a recognizable place where one might hear or see words like "God shed His grace on thee" or some other segment, to this section. I opted to create this as a new section because it is neither idiomatic, nor satirical, the foci of the sections immediately prior to and subsequent to this section where I placed it. Fwgoebel 23:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Usage addition 

message: a little trivia, it was then-First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt that 'sponsored' Ms Anderson's performance at the Lincoln Memorial in 1939.76.218.248.127 (talk) 02:47, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Symbolically Popular Versions

message: Given the events of 9/11, should the last verse be changed to: Thine alabaster cities gleam, now dimmed by human tears?
:I dunno -- let's call Katharine Lee Bates and see what she thinks....  —  MusicMaker 06:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You interpreted the verse wrong. "Undimmed by human tears," as in saying there are many tears shed, but the city remains vigorous and beautiful - that nothing will make the beautifulness that is America go away. From this perspective, the song is very prophetic in depicting how united the people were and how strong New York City remained even after the 9/11 attacks.--141.213.196.173 (talk) 01:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undimmed by human tears? 

message: I think this article is incomplete without some mention of Carmen Dragon's contribution.  His arrangement of the song is considered to be the quintessential arrangement of the song, and is used in most popular performances, including those of the Marine Band.  I will try to find some references and add it to the article.  --rogerd (talk) 03:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carmen Dragon 

message: I have seen other arrangements of the verses and refrains.  I like the refrains of the 3rd and 4th verses swapped, because they better speak to the subject just mentioned.  If one wanted a unique refrain to the 3rd verse, one could use:
:America! America!  God keep thee in His hand,
:And guide the men whose lives defend peace throughout the land.
To address one of the greatest strengths of America, I would like to add the verse:
:O Beautiful for Enterprise,
:That freely we attend;
:For art and service, craft and trade,
:Making faithful friends.
:America! America!  God bless the sweat we bear,
:That through our deeds we meet thy needs, with honor, love, and prayer!
--Joseph Daniel Rudmin 15:35, 18 January 2008 (EST)
…I am currious of the writings from Sea to Shinging Sea, has it any reference to the part of the tearing thing and the dimming thing. I just thought since the thinking  of miss Bates is a formality here, perhaps her relaxing ventured escaped, perhaps to another country to visit or lets say another land, perhaps old England or France or whatever her Shining Sea is to reveal, would it still be there. Darn, it did, it somehow escaped society; in her version to a still forgotten place. Yes in many eyes of the past this could of very well have been lead to be a forgotten place.The end, society or a family in one, although thanks to Miss Bates she might of kept in touch. Well at least we have visitors, and since I reside in Barnstable county I just may go look up her belongings. Just out of respect I mean what else would a DeLancey do.David George DeLancey (talk) 04:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ??? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 07:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with David.  — MusicMaker5376 14:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. Maybe you could explain to me what he's saying. In English. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Arrangements 

message: Is there a reason for writing "O' beautiful" rather than "O beautiful"?  "O" without an apostrophe is standard for apostrophes (sorry, couldn't resist), that is, in a poetic address to someone or something.  I've never seen it written the way it is here. —JerryFriedman  (Talk) 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I finally dug out my copy of the Lynn Sherr book. It's "O beautiful", not "O' beautiful". I think y'all figured that out already. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  O'? 

message: The eight verses given in the article are confusing.  They are not meant to be sung in a sequence like it appears here, and other than on the linked webpage, I've never seen them simply concatenated as such.
Basically, what we have here are the four verses of the FINAL version (1913, I think) after it had been combined with the hymn tune and was meant to be sung, followed by the four verses of the ORIGINAL poem (1895, I think) before it was meant to be sung.  Bates herself did the revision (originally to make it more singable), so it may make sense to give both versions here.  But the article doesn't clarify what's going on.  Most people who have only sung the usual version will never have encountered the latter four verses, and they'll wonder (1) where they come from and (2) why they seem to be sort of paraphrased versions of the ones they know. 65.96.161.79 (talk) 16:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you could work on improving it? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better description of lyrics? 

message: Wiki article in America the Beautiful that some prefer Star Spangled Banner because it does not invoke God. 
What about the 4th Stanza, 6th line?
O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation.
Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the Heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust;”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave![12]
:The perils of "original research", i.e. editorializing, combined with ignorance. That comment is now goen. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:26, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:    "The Star-Spangled Banner"does not directly invoke God. 

message: I'm sorry, but the words of the 14th Amendment DO NOT fit the 8686D meter of the hymn tune Aeterna. If you look at that link and the PDF file of the "mnemonic device," not only are the words of the amendment abridged, but notes from the tune are subdivided and tied all over the place. The 14th Amendment IS NOT a metric text. Mbenoit (talk) 23:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It only works for the first phrase, and not very well at that. I say zap it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:07, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:    14th Amendment?? 

message: Hi. Links from lyrics are original research, and therefore against WP policies, unless the text somehow deals with reliable third-party research that (more or less) proves what the lyrics mean. -- Puisque (talk) 00:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links from lyrics 

message: Ray Charles (Robinson) adapted, arranged and recorded his version of 'America, the Beautiful' @ RPM International Studios in Los Angeles to celebrate the Bicentennial of the United States of America's Declaration of Independence from Great Britain (1776 - 1976). The recording was released on Crossover Records (CR 985) in April of 1976, not ABC-Paramount. Whoever is in charge of this Wiki article may want to make the necessary changes. Thank You 184.76.56.97 (talk) 07:29, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray Charles: Crossover Records not ABC-Paramount 

message: Hello. I added a reference to Paul Hipp's rendition (on Abel Ferrara's Welcome to New York then as bonus track on his album The Remote Distance) but a user deleted it inexplicably. Thanks for helping me. Jonathan.renoult (talk) 13:51, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I understand: no popular renditions are listed here. Maybe AtB is so much played in USA it's useless. Jonathan.renoult (talk) 17:15, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Hipp's rendition 

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message: No mention to the fact this music is an exact rip of of the Prussian "Heil dir im Siegerkranz"??? 2601:806:4301:C100:CDF5:88A:3245:1B01 (talk) 01:20, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong song. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:00, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Granted, I confuse "America" and AtB way too much for my own taste... --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You meant the song usuallly known as "My Country 'Tis of Thee". --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:45, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heil dir im Siegerkranz 

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