Talk:Autonomous Governorate of Estonia

message: External links need to become inline references, false claim that Nothern Estonia == Eestimaa needs to go (I doubt that one out of thousand Estonians thinks so, probably one out of ten knows it once did - as it has been repeatedly shown, Eestimaa is now used interchangeably with Eesti), language needs to be cleaned up ("leftist" is slang and redirect, Jaan Anwelt is redirect as well). Article reads like it was put together in a hurry and is hard to read. I cannot find any reference to "On November 28 (November 15) 1917 the Menshevik dominated Maapäev" - or any reference to mensheviks in given sources whatsoever - so that seems to be POV/OR. Article needs to be cleaned up and extended (good source seems to be Estonica. Sentence "Although it took almost a year for Estonia to be liberated from German occupation, this date is still celebrated as Estonia's independence day." is POV. Legal status of this country (not recognized) should also be made clearer.
I won't start changing this article myself just now - mainly because of recent events here in WP.  DLX 06:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, the article was created in under half an hour :-) -- Petri Krohn 11:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I don't see any merit in this article, it seems to be a POV fork similar to Republic of Estonia (1990-1991), challenging the legitimacy of the Estonian Republic proclaimed on February 24, 1918. I attempted to nominate this article for deletion Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Estonia_%281917-1918%29, but it was procedurally closed almost immediately. Martintg 08:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could become a basis for main article about how Estonia gained independence, supplementing Estonian War of Independence. Another name is needed, though, and rather major rewrite. However, AfD deletion was really weird - closing it after one hour... this goes against Wikipedia normal procedures. DLX 08:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am fine with article as long as people do not try to depict this thing as independent state.--Staberinde 08:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my initial objection too. I'm happy with way the article is evolving now. Martintg 09:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe the procedural close is mainly due to bad wording of the explanation.  A policy-wise valid explanation would be "This article is an unwarranted fork of topics belonging to the article History of Estonia." Digwuren 12:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I attempted to do a , but I'm not sure if it worked. Digwuren 12:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete

message: Anyone find it a bit weird that primary reference concerning Estonia (1917-1918) is the 1911 edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica?  Martintg 02:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: ..needs a good reference. it might be me that I've never heard of or seen anything like this before other than on wiki. But in case I'm wrong and the flag is not a complete hoax, I'd like to get it verified by a good ref for it that such a flag ever existed indeed. Even if we're dealing with an authentic tricolor, I'm positive that the Autonomous Governorate of Estonia never used the colors that are like it seems being claimed, the colors of the Baltic nobility. But then again, I might be wrong and have missed something. In case good refs are not provided withing a reasonable time frame, I'm going to list the image of the flag for deletion from WP. Thanks--Termer 02:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the flag. Check out the history of the image here: , definitely a hoax by Petri Krohn. -- Martintg (talk) 21:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: the flag