Talk:Baháʼí teachings

message: I think that someone should create a section for the similarities and differences between this religion and others. For example, I would be happy to help and add the similarities and differences of Bahai and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints along with other christian philosophy if I knew how. Does anyone think there is a need for this? I would find this interesting and it would also make for a better streamline of the religion topics. [unsigned by 67.131.7.194]
:If you feel inspired to put in a bunch of work doing it, go right ahead. Cuñado  - Talk 21:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that this is certainly a valid thing to do from an academic or "encyclopedia format" point-of-view. Please know that I encourage you to undertake such a task if you are up to the challenge. Just be aware while you are doing it that Baha'u'llah says: "O contending peoples and kindreds of the earth! Set your faces towards unity, and let the radiance of its light shine upon you. Gather ye together, and for the sake of God resolve to root out whatever is the source of contention amongst you...Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you" (Gleanings, p. 217). Best of luck. Nmentha 12:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: Asad29591, I have engaged with you repeatedly on many pages over many months, and you have consistently shown a disregard for policy and an inability to contribute outside of an extremely narrow POV that represents a tiny minority. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of sources describing the Universal House of Justice as the governing body of Baha'is. A few million Baha'is follow it, and a few dozen people dispute its legitimacy. You have consistently failed to consider WP:UNDUE, which states, among other things: "If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority, it does not belong on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it is true or you can prove it, except perhaps in some ancillary article." It is meaningless to add a reference to the statement about the Univesal House of Justice and it causes WP:OVERCITE to require citations for every such obvious statement. From the point of view of Wikipedia, it is not disputed by a significant minority, and it doesn't need to be cited in every case. Now will you accept the obvious application of policies and guidelines? My experience says no, and I don't feel the need to explain reverts after months of doing so to no effect. Feel free to escalate. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 17:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello  I don't find it wise to respond to multiple personal attacks that you have tried doing on me just because even after being a Baha'i I do not share the same belief as yours. My point is very simple per Wiki Policy if something is mentioned which is disputed it has to be cited. The Will and Testament of Master itself is a proof of falsehood which you are trying to propagate. The highest governing body is Guardian and not UHJ. I understand your ego doesn't allow you to follow the wiki policy so let us do one thing. Let us both come on a consent and close this by not putting any citation but mentioning that per the mainstream Baha'i belief the highest governing body is UHJ however other sects differ from this point of view.--Asad29591 (talk) 13:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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message: I propose that Baháʼí Faith and slavery be merged into this page (Baháʼí teachings). There are not enough reliable, independent sources to justify a separate article on slavery. Of the ones in the article right now, I believe only Cole's is reliable and independent (and it is self-published, so as per WP:SPS it is not ideal). Peter Smith's books may have something too, but even still that is at most two. Currently the article is heavily based on non-independent sources, which makes it impossible to verify its neutrality, and some of the material is clearly WP:SYNTH. Baha'i views on slavery are part of the Baha'i teachings, so there is no issue with the content being out-of-scope. In fact, it should be mentioned at least briefly regardless of what happens with the merger.
, let me know if you have any objections/comments. Gazelle55 (talk) 01:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very good point, Baha'i laws would be a better destination. And I agree, the examples sub-section could go; it doesn't have any high-quality sources. Regarding Christopher Buck, good point, I see he has been published by Routledge, SUNY Press, and other good academic sources on the topic, so I think we could include his views from BahaiTeachings.org if they are attributed in-text. Cole's SPS could provide a counterpoint for that. As regards a stand-alone article, though, it just doesn't look like we would have enough sources. We have two sentences from Smith, then could have some interpretation from Buck and Cole attributed in-text. That's it. WP:GNG requires "significant coverage in reliable sources [note plural] that are independent of the subject," whereas this topic hasn't received that kind of coverage. Of course, if I have missed some good sources, please do let me know. Gazelle55 (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind the stand-alone article (after I revised it), but it could be merged into Laws as Smkolins mentioned, trimmed with relative weight. I don't think we should set a precedent of using bahaiteachings.org. It has a very low standard for inclusion, similar to the Huffington Post. It could be used if the author is independently notable and then only following WP:SPS. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 03:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your edited version is definitely an improvement, . I agree about not generally using bahaiteachings.org, though I think Christopher Buck is a case where we could use it. The article currently relies heavily on non-independent, primary, and non-reliable sources, however, which means its neutrality can't be verified. So I don't support leaving a stand-alone article. We could trim it down to only the better sources, but then it would be extremely short and would not meet WP:GNG. Let me know if I'm missing something, . If no further objections in a while, I'll do the merger. Gazelle55 (talk) 23:32, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you  for tagging me. I have no objection and contrary to what Tarikhejtemai says, I think "Examples" section should be there. It should be clear for the reader that the Bab and Baha'u'llah both inherited (or owned) slaves (the Black Pearls). In fact I was happy with this version of the page.Serv181920 (talk) 10:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  , I do think this information is accurate and I would like it to be available. The source, though, is clearly not independent, and that means its presentation might not be neutral. If we find a good source I think the info could definitely go on pages for the Bab, Baha'u'llah, and probably others. Gazelle55 (talk) 20:25, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: This statement needs citation from a authentic secondary source. Per the will and testament of Abul Baha the highest/supreme institution is Guardianship and not UHJAsad29591 (talk) 08:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, , for pointing out the lack of a source. I added the appropriate tag in the article. If you have a reliable secondary source saying something different from the current version, please go ahead and update the text. Gazelle55 (talk) 23:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The supreme governing institution of the Baháʼí Faith is the Universal House of Justice, situated in Haifa, Israel