Talk:Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag

message: The 20 million figure must be wrong it  is most likely 200 million or 2 billion because 20 million is less then a rich mans yacht costs Deng 2005-1130 17.25 CET
No, the price tag is correct if strategycenter.net, defense.mil, and globalsecurity.org reported the price tag as $20 million.  (Psychoneko 02:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No way it's $2bil, Deng. That's much of the way to a brand new Nimitz. Even $200mil seems high. Keep in mind that we're mostly talking about a vehicle capable of doing nothing more but sailing to be scrapped. That rich man's yacht that you refer to would have functioning engines and radar. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 08:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, $20 mil pretty much covered the costs of the Varyag's hull without any systems.  The Varyag at the time of the sale was literally a floating piece of scrap metal.  The other reason for the low price tag also has to do with the fact that the Varyag is considered to be a medium-weight carrier (roughly ~60,000 tons of displacement as opposed to the US Nimitz-class carriers of ~100,000 tons displacement).  The tons of displacement refer to full-operational displacement.  Fully outfitting the Varyag with propulsions and a full electronic and defensive suite would see an exponential increase on the price tag.  (Psychoneko 08:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its only scrap value. 35.000 tons of steel worth about 20 milions of dollars. Real value is intelectual property which can be obtained by studying this vessel. Lots of RnD went in this hull. Its like US Army decied to sold USS Nimitz hull for its scrap value. 213.137.115.235 01:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost 

message: I left in the statement that the ship was painted grey but took out the statement about it confirming plans to make the ship operational by 2010.  
Roadrunner 19:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed operation statement 

message: Here is a link from strategycenter.net regarding the confirmation of the Varyag sporting PLAN navy grey colours: http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.97/pub_detail.asp  (Psychoneko 21:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for Varyag being used by the PLAN 

message: Added provisional name of Shi Lang and pennant number 83. The name has been floating around for months and Janes have added this to JFS in the Jan 2007 update. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Koxinga CDF (talk • contribs) 13:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shi Lang / 83 

message: Assuming if the PLAN re-fit this ship for training or operation at sea, it's very unlikely that they'd import and install the same weapons suite as originally intended for this ship.  I think the weapons section should probably be listed as "Currently none" or something similar.  -- Adeptitus 20:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PLAN has been asking quotation from russian manufacturer on carriers parts like arresting cables. but it is questionable if they are going to arm the ship if it is intended only of training and evaluation. Akinkhoo 07:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons and Stats section 

message: I think that the title "Soviet aircraft Varyag" should be renamed to "Aircraft carrier Varyag". Although built by the Soviets it is now currently in the PRC apparently being rebuilt for the PLAN. It would be more appropriate to drop the expired national term. 
If there are any objections or other suggestions, please put them down here. Otherwise I will rename the article next time I come across it. John Smith's (talk) 22:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Until there is Chinese official confirmation of the new name, it would be silly to move it, just to move it again. Let's wait until Shi Lang is confirmed, then maybe a new article can be started or this can be moved to 'Chinese aircraft carrier Shi Lang'. Buckshot06 (talk) 01:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd recommend following the pattern of the Soviet aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov page. That page covered all the history of the ship up until the Indian Navy actually purchased it. A new page was created when the IN assigned it a new name, INS Vikramaditya. I'd recommend following that pattern here, with some overlap on both pages covering its term as a floating hulk. - BillCJ (talk) 19:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: Why the use of she for an object ??? 74.58.2.199 (talk) 08:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a stylistic figure of speech.  The article should probably be edited to use something more appropriate. Darthveda (talk) 21:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The use in English of feminine pronouns for ships is an old and continuing naval tradition. While not everyone agrees with the use of "she" for ships in formal writing (myself included), it is allowed per WP:MILMOS#Pronouns, and thus not inappropriate. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 74#Military History Manual of Style amendment for the most recent duscussions on the issue. - BillCJ (talk) 22:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  She ? 

message: Information is appearing on the Internet that the roof of a building at Wuhan’s Ship Research Center appears to be a scale mock up of the flight deck of Varyag.
The purpose of this is currently unclear.
http://shanghaiist.com/2009/10/19/wuhan_builds_a_cement_aircraft_carr.php
http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/concrete-aircraft-carrier-building-wuhan/
86.4.186.90 (talk) 16:36, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy of flight deck of Varyag built in Wuhan 

message: Can someone please explain what the remark about "AWB drones" is referring to? Thanks!  --91.55.208.131 (talk) 08:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:AWB—AutoWikiBrowser. It's poor man's bot. Among other things, it (quite correctly) removes unnecessary vertical white-space, so that the Wiki style sheets work properly. For some strange reason, some people think it's a good idea to break this functionality by adding pointless HTML comments in the page source. HTH. --Wasell(T) 09:18, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Navboxes are typically added below the last section in an article, which is often a "References" (or "Bibliography", "Notes", etc. depending on the citation style) or an "External links" section. Since a navbox is neither a citation nor an external link, editors often add extra spaces to help convey to our readers that the navbox is, indeed, a different animal than what otherwise appears under those headings, which hardly constitutes a "pointless" reason in my book. — Bellhalla (talk) 13:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I always thought that navboxes have a colored background to achieve that. I don't think another seperation device is necessary.  --91.55.208.131 (talk) 20:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because some readers have impaired or limited vision that prevents or makes difficult the perception of color on screen, the Manual of Style cautions against using only color as a cue or means of presenting information. — Bellhalla (talk) 21:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Possibly. Thinking of the impaired, one should also consider confusing WP:ACCESS hard-/software by non-content comments. I don't know much about them though.  --91.55.208.131 (talk) 21:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  AWB drones 

message: China Defense Blog announced that a new radar mast has been installed on aircraft carrier Varyag. Can the wiki page be updated to reflect on the change?? thx. <http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2009/12/put-up-mast-for-christmas.html>  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Yiin (talk • contribs) 20:26, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest Updates

message: Could this be right? That's the price of a single F-16.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.195.120.51 (talk) 05:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes... there are plenty of sources that confirm that the ship was sold for $20 million to a Hong Kong based travel agency to be used as a floating hotel. This is comparable to the £5 million bid for HMS Invincible by a Chinese businessman who wanted to convert her into a floating college. Pre-owned aircraft carriers seem to be going pretty cheap... 80.176.88.21 (talk) 22:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost: 20 million? 

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message: If the carrier is entering service in the Chinese navy as the "Shi Lang" then the article's name should also be the "Shi Lang" instead of "Soviet Aircraft Carrier Varyag"
--Tovojolo (talk) 00:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The convention seems to be to have separate articles. For example, the American ship USS Phoenix (CL-46) became the ARA General Belgrano. However, currently I don't think it is entirely certain that it's named the Shi Lang, and there doesn't seem to be enough content to support two articles. Once the new name is certain, perhaps a rename with a redirect from the old one? (Hohum @) 01:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. We have at least two independent third parties in the US and China who have both confirmed the name now. I think it's likely time to start a Shi Lang article. If they choose to rename it on commissioning we can always move that article then. Gateman1997 (talk) 16:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The most authoritative source, Janes, only says it may have been named that - the other sources are; a potentially self published site (anyone know what makes jeffhead a WP:reliable source?) - nice bunch of pictures though; the other source is subscription only. (Hohum @) 16:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

text:  sea trial pretty much going to happen in the week ahead. crew boarded this week and no fly zone is in effect at bohai, likely where the trial would begin... keep in mind however that during the J-20 test flight there was a few no show! nothing happens until it actually happens ;) Akinkhoo (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

text: I concur. I'd suggest creating a new article at Chinese aircraft carrier, or something similar, and it can be moved once the official name is known. I'll work on that in the next day or 2 if there ano objections. This will be similar to the split of Soviet aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov and INS Vikramaditya. - BilCat (talk) 02:11, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't the edit history of  be merged with  ? The old article covered the same topic as the newer Future article. (no overlapping edit history either) 70.24.246.151 (talk) 09:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

text: I've completed the split to Chinese aircraft carrier ex-Varyag. There is still some work to be done on the text of both articles to limit the amount of overlap, so any help with that task would be greatly appreciated. - BilCat (talk) 06:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Shi Lang

message: As we have a separate article for Chinese aircraft carrier ex-Varyag, the after refit information should be removed from the infobox, since it goes in the scope Chinese article, while this one is about the pre-refit ship. 70.24.246.151 (talk) 09:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "after refit"