Talk:Frank Walker (Jersey politician)

message: Following a complaint from the subject of this article I have removed a number of unsourced allegations from its text and deleted potentially libellous revisions from the history. 
I will take the opportunity to remind any contributors that this page must adhere to our policies on biographies of living persons. Accordingly, material should not be readded to this article unless it can be clearly sourced to reliable sources. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 15:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I have expanded this article somewhat, I have moved all criticism to a seperate section, hope all are happy that everything is referenced correctly and is NPOV if not away you go! RichardColgate 02:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 24th July 

message: Our Chief Minister has far less entries than many of Jersey's States Members, but since he doesn't actually bring legislation very often or speak out as say Stuart Syvret would he doesn't get too many matches. The majority of it is crticism I'm afraid.
===Year Of Birth===
As per biography project I have categorised him as a year of birth unknown.
===Harrison Family===
Whilst much of the information on his parents is on the Jersey Evening Post page per User:Tony theprof's suggestion I have not bought the information in here. 
Just to detail my approach: Historical genealogical information (e.g. Ben Shenton is the son of Dick Shenton) is ok because both are Jersey politicians, but for living people biographies, I would avoid references that are not largely public domain (i.e. children, wife, private life, etc) as (a) these are instrusive into privacy and (b) could breach Data Protection Laws. 
--TonyinJersey 07:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could always do it yourself, you know. Man vyi 13:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks have made the adjustment suggested. RichardColgate 06:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Information 

message: Whilst much of the information on his parents is on the Jersey Evening Post page per User:Tony theprof's suggestion I have not bought the information in here. 
Just to detail my approach: Historical genealogical information (e.g. Ben Shenton is the son of Dick Shenton) is ok because both are Jersey politicians, but for living people biographies, I would avoid references that are not largely public domain (i.e. children, wife, private life, etc) as (a) these are instrusive into privacy and (b) could breach Data Protection Laws. 
--TonyinJersey 07:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Harrison Family

message: As above no information on his current family is included.
I suggest therefore that you remove the family section that suggests that he has a son called Alex and a daughter, especially as this information is, in fact, incorrect. Alex is the ex-boyfriend of his daughter. 
:You could always do it yourself, you know. Man vyi 13:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks have made the adjustment suggested. RichardColgate 06:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Walker Family

message: Anyone know if he was elected at the first try, would seem strange as it doesn't happen too often.
I believe he was, not so strange when you own the only newspaper.RichardColgate (talk) 22:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Elected as Deputy on first attempt?

message: OK, the criticism section got ridiculous. The article is clearly not NPOV considering that the vast majority of it came under that section. Generally the article needs much more positive content and counter-balancing arguments to the negative content. Because I think that the criticism section was way too weighty, and essentially encouraged people to add more criticism, I've broken it up, and placed the sub-sections in neutrally titled parts of the article. Sections such as "mishandling of Jersey Child Abuse Scandal" were clearly highly POV, even just from the title, and the suggestion that Esther Rantzen had Frank Walker "squirming" was just totally inappropriate on Wikipedia. This is clearly not NPOV and could not be defended as such. Also, I have had to remove (and I don't think for the first time) the allegations regarding domestic violence. Such allegations cannot be added to an article without serious references to back them up, and the supposed reference link for this claim did not work. Hopefully my re-organisation has gone some way towards redressing the balance, but it's essentially the same content reorganised. What we need is more content about his achievements and more counterbalance to the criticism. If anyone could supply some, that would be excellent. TomPhil 17:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems reasonable enough, but "damaging to his reputation" would need a source, I'd think. Man vyi (talk) 12:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Apparently various adults in Jersey have been 'shafting' children internally for about half a century - is this the ironic pun Mr Walker was trying to make? If so, I feel it was in rather poor taste.--feline1 (talk) 17:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Having just watched, incredulously, a clip of Newsnight from 25th Feb 2008, where Walker is shown footage of himself telling Syvert that he is "just out to shaft Jersey internationally", then bizarrely denying that he said it, I have made a few edits to this section, to try and keep it closer to the facts.--feline1 (talk) 20:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Dear oh dear, the usual vandalism of Jersey articles by anonymous users. Always just an IP address, always concealing the edit with some innocuous sounding phrase that upon inspection appears to be complete rubbish. Paxman did not "misquote" Walker: the BBC *broadcast Walker saying the bloody thing himself!* Did Walker thus misquote himself? lol I have reinstated the correct material.--feline1 (talk) 10:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but your edit just strikes me as weasling. The point of the paragraph is that there is a big investigation into paedophilia on Jersey, and that Walker has faced criticism for he and the institutions he represents trying to cover it up. And the most infamous example was him captured on film saying that a whistleblower was "out to shaft Jersey internationally". Whether or not Paxman paraphrased it with precisely the correct wording is not the issue. Your edit makes it sound like the criticism of Walker is all based around a misquote of what he said. It is not. It is based around what he said.--feline1 (talk) 11:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Walker may be an idiot, but he didn't use the words Paxman quoted. So his denial of using those words is actually explicable. The article cannot therefore contain any statement at variance with the verifiable facts (of course, my opinion that Frank's an idiot is no more than original research!) Man vyi (talk) 13:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh all right then, I've made a compromise edit: the whole Paxman misquote is a red herring, so I've just removed reference to that. Newsnight is only mentioned in as much as that it was the medium by which the "shafted internationally" comment was given the widest public airing. People reacting to Newsnight were reacting to what Walker said himself in the footage, not because of anything Paxman said or didn't say.--feline1 (talk) 14:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism section

message: Has anyone a better pix of Frank in which he faces the camera, rather than a rear view?
--TonyinJersey (talk) 06:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got a full-frontal from Liberation Day 2008, but it's a bit blurry. Worth uploading? Man vyi (talk) 06:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: I have to say that it seems unlikely that the JEP can be regarded as a reliable source of information with regard to its owner Frank Walker...
I would suggest contributors avoid using references from this source and the article be edited to remove all existing references.
I'll wait a while to see if there are any comments which you wish to add to this but otherwise I will edit as described above.
RichardColgate (talk) 22:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Any description of Frank Walker as the "owner" of the JEP doesn't stand up to strict scrutiny. As minority shareholder (I believe) and managing director of the company, he's clearly been involved with the newspaper, but his involvement is stated in the article - and short of any demonstration from a reliable source that he interfered with editorial policy, I can't see that the JEP should be excluded on that basis. And besides, why should reference to critical reporting against him in the JEP be excised? Man vyi (talk) 09:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using the JEP as a 'reliable source' with regard to Walker 

message: With the possible exception of a recent edit I made, the current article reads like a PR piece on Walker, presenting only positive information and only, at best, obliquely referencing any negative information.
I believe this article in current form is not fit for the Wiki guidelines.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdf987654 (talk • contribs) 02:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current article reads like a PR piece 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Frank Walker's role in the cover-up of child abuse on Jersey is portrayed highly misleading according to more recent investigations. There is a documentary of the bbc, arte and zdf on youtube: (german) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAfz28Q844o 2003:DD:1713:C522:407E:36DB:950D:87B4 (talk) 18:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake News