Talk:Oregon/Archive 1

message: If it is true that, as the article says, "the name used for the Columbia River used by the indigenous population was "Aurigon"", why do we wonder about the origin at all? Originally, all of the three NW states were the "Oregon Territory" - they would naturally be identified by their main river. BTW, how should "Aurigon" be pronounced? French? Sebastian 06:50, 2005 Jan 26 (UTC)
:WTF???? Speaking as a native Oregonian & amateur local historian, I have never heard this theory put forth. It does not appear in the authoritative reference of the origin for Oregon names -- Oregon Geographic Names. Inasmuch as the Native Americans did talk with Lewis & Clark (as well as employees of the Hudson Bay Company shortly afterwards), some evidence for this claim would have surfaced long, long before now. Seeing how the contributor comes from an anonymous IP address, & offered no source for this theory, I'm removing this sentence with prejudice. -- llywrch 04:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin

message: * "pronounced OHR-a-gun, and not oh-re-gone as many on the east coast seem to believe" -- neither pronounciation is correct, if you want to follow local practice. We natives say "OH-ree-gun". There used to be a decal many University of oregon alumni sported on their cars 10-20 years ago that read "ORYGUN".
* "*Portland also has the largest urban park in the US: Forest Park." Sadly, this is not true: as noted at Forest Park (Portland), this honor belongs to South Mountain Park in Phoenix, Arizona -- although many locals believe otherwise.
At least someone quickly removed that silliness about Salim Stodemire playing for the Lake Oswego Lakers. -- llywrch 20:34, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More errors removed

message: Funny, I was born and raised in Oregon (Estacada), and we pronounced it 
organ, like the thing they play at weddings and funerals.  We always
giggled at television ads, "Send $9.95 to Box 3, Portland, OR-UHH-GONE."
Just my $0.02.  Maybe we should drop the pronunciation thing.
dino 03:01, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More on pronunciation

message: 66.167.137.190 08:28, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Oregon Wikigroup Project marked inactive 

message: Perhaps we could/should add a section for Famous Oregonians? The most recent that comes to mind is Katee Sackhoff of Battlestar Galactica (playing Lt. Kara 'Starbuck' Thrace). I'm sure there are many others.
On the pronunciation thing: I describe it to people as "or-a-gun... like a knife, OR A GUN." A little graphic, but I'm never misunderstood.
On "Native Oregonians": Nobody is saying you have to be a Native American Indian (or whatever term is PC this week) to be a Native Oregonian. A Native Oregonian would one who was born here, usually to Oregonian parents.
I am an Oregonian (though not technically a 'native Oregonian'), I identify with and love Oregon, and have been an Oregonian since moving there at age 3. Native Oregonian? No, not really. Oregonian at heart? Absolutely. There's something intangible about Oregonian-ness.
So back to the topic: Who are some other famous Oregonians? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VigilancePrime (talk • contribs) 17:08, 2 October 2005.
::VigilancePrime, check out :Category:People from Oregon.  Looks like Katee Sackhoff is listed there. -- Dave C.talk | Esperanza 01:33, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This one should be considered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neale_Donald_Walsch Oregonic 06:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Oregonians?

message: Pardon my stupidity, but what is this supposed to mean? "Double digit growth". There are 10 more Latinos and Asian Americans in Oregon since 2000? 50? 500? 50000??? Peoplesunionpro 18:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably referring to percentage growth rather than absolute numerical growth, but you're right, it's not clearly worded at all. A qualifier should be added to that effect. Microtonal 19:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Estimates released September 2004 show double-digit growth in Latino and Asian American populations since the 2000 Census." 

message: I'm going to begin copyediting and searching for sources to cite the article with.  Any help from fellow Oregonians would be appreciated. PDXblazers 00:42, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a problem with the section as long as it is backed up with sources. VegaDark 03:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Is it?  I wasn't aware of this.  Get rid of it then.  May want to incorporate some of the more interesting facts into the article though. VegaDark 03:55, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing Up 

message: Please see Oregon boundary dispute for consideration of fairer/more thorough British activity/colonization.Skookum1 08:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section is heavily POV 

message: Is it fair to say Oregon is a "moderate Democratic-leaning Blue State"? It seems to me it's just really polarized, with people taking strong positions in both directions (and with a huge gap between leftist strongholds like Portland, Ashland, and Eugene and say, Eastern Oregon). To say it's "a moderate Democratic state" seems to confuse the issue. Sarge Baldy 16:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree.  Which is why I just added one of my earlier edits which was inexplicably removed.  Oregon has a large block of Independent voters who defy predictions.  Add to this mix conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans and you have a state where it easier to buy a machine-gun than it is to legally pump your own gasoline.  This whole Red State/Blue State thing is really naive.  But it is an easy model for the talking-heads on television to babble about.CyranoDeWikipedia 08:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moderate Democratic? 

message: Just so everyone who's not familiar with the International Phonetic Alphabet knows what I put as the pronunciation, the listed pronunciation is "OH-rih-gun".  The superscript then leads to a footnote telling people to stop saying "oh-rih-gahn", which we all know is just flat out wrong.  I used a relatively broad transcription into IPA for ease of understanding, and got rid of the separate paragraph on the pronunciation because I felt it detracted from the article.  I decided to not go with "OAR-gun" because even people who say that retain a slight bit of the "ih" sound and I don't know how to write a eclipsed sound in IPA.  the iBook of the Revolution 05:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation on 15 May 

message: I have a bit of a problem with the following sentence:
:The state has a long history of polarizing conflicts: Native Americans vs. British fur trappers, British vs. settlers from the U.S., ranchers vs. farmers, wealthy growing cities vs. established but poor rural areas, loggers vs. environmentalists, white supremacists vs. anti-racists, supporters of social spending vs. anti-tax activists, and native Oregonians vs. Californians (or outsiders in general). 
These dichotomies are all lumped together here, in a way that doesn't seem to help the article very much. Instead of this sentence, I would propose that we put the information into various places in the rest of the article that deal with these subjects. For instance, British vs. settlers has been touched upon already, early on in the history section. Loggers vs. environmentalists is perhaps important enough to warrant more discussion later on in the article. 
It's just that to state these "conflicts" in such a way seems very un-encyclopedic, not to mention that for us to endorse them by including them here makes it sound as though they are the only important controversies that have affected the state. 
Finally, the last one really bothers me. Sure, Oregonians joke about hating Californians, and vice versa. But is it really a "polarizing conflict"? And Oregonians vs. "outsiders in general"? Are we so closed-minded? I don't really think so...
I'm inclined to take this whole sentence out, but as it is a big one, I wanted to see what others think first. Thanks! romarin[talk to her ] 03:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Although I think Oregon is polarized in some ways, that sentence is much too dichotomous and simplistic. It might be nice to flesh out some of these conflicts, but I don't think it's in good taste to just list all these supposed fights without giving any sort of background or context. And for that matter some of the things listed probably don't merit inclusion at all. Sarge Baldy 04:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This also touches on something Baldy said earlier about "moderate democratic."  The major rift in the state would probably be the mostly liberal Willamette Valley vs. the mostly conservative rest of the state.  Something probably should be said about this, I'm sure there must be a source somewhere. PDXblazers 23:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polarizing conflicts? 

message: i heard a story about a tribe of indians with big ears who lived in this region of the united states. Is there a connection? (orejón means big ears)
:I've never heard this theory before, and I'm doubtful. But if you find anything out, it might be interesting. Sarge Baldy 23:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's from Rivière d'Ouragon - Hurricane River (French; maybe Rivière de l'Ouragon, can't remember if the article is needed in that formation or not), which was one of the names for the 'great river of the west' speculated upon by cartographers and explorers.  The "raging wind" description is pretty apt for the Columbia Gorge, and the report of this windy throttle to the river basin came east long before explorers came west.  Sorry I don't have a cite handy but this is from an Oregon Historical Quarterly essay a few years back.Skookum1 00:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, no one knows for sure, and as the article says there's various theories regarding it. Sarge Baldy 04:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Baldy is correct.  The Register Guard here in Eugene ran an article on it about a year back, and I have seen it in other places too.  There are theories about where it came from (the river in Wisconsin being one of them), but no one can prove the origin of the name. PDXblazers 04:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Oregon come from the spanish word 'orejón'? 

message: I deleted the trivia section because it is unencyclopedic and frowned upon in the FA process (if this ever actually makes it there).  Anyway, I'll put it here in case anyone wants it. PDXblazers 04:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Oh, gimme a break; this is "reaching" in the worst way.  And if 1765 is the earliest use of "Ouragon", in the French spelling meaning "hurricane" then that would appear to be it.  But this latest "orogenous" is just mind-numbingly OFF; I've waded in here before to do edits but I can't tell which part of what was added with this orogenous business.  It would help if the earnest individual who posted it understood that (in English, anyway), the 'g' in "orogenous" is "soft", not "hard" like it is in Oregon.  If people in the Age of Englightenment were going to use a Greek word, they would have been a lot more obvious about it....Skookum1 15:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oregon from "orogenous"????

message: Please see 
RE BC & Pacific Northwest History Forum re: Talk:List of United States military history events#Border Commission troops in the Pacific Northwest.  If you think maybe I should also move some or copy some of my other stuff from NW history and BC history pages  and various Indigenous peoples project article/talk pages let me know; I never mean to blog, but I'm voluble and to me everything's interconnected; never meaning to dominate a page so have made this area to post my historical rambles on.  Thoughts?Skookum1 03:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment on my posting of this: if anyone has any questions or wants to debate any issues relating to Oregon Country/Columbia District/Pacific Northwest history/historical geography, colonialist or aboriginal/indigenous, please feel free to drop by the forum and start a thread/topic, or just butt in at yer leisure.Skookum1 05:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User talk:Skookum1/BC&PacificNorthwestHistory|BC & Pacific Northwest History Forum]]

message: When was this featured on the Colbert report? --Liface 05:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Today. He told viewers to go add false information about the elephant population tripling in the last 6 months (spiting environmentalists). —Centrx→talk • 05:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His suggestion on Oregon was to label it as one of the following: California's Canada, Washington's Mexico, or Idaho's Portugal. I seriously don't think it would damage the credibility of Oregon if mention of this television reference made it over to the main page in the future. User:Dragonstrider 06:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: July 31,2006, Colbert mentioned some viewer's mail from Portland that took acception with his reference to Hashish and Portland. Colbert then went on a tirade trying to remember how he referred to Oregon (see above) and has now decided that Oregon is actually "Idaho's Portugal".
Cobert ROCKS.
-Coyotez
Fixed and wikied.--293.xx.xxx.xx 09:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: pretend nothing, he honestly did. The logs are all there, User:Stephencolbert has two contributions, both concurrent with the exact time the show aired and both making the exact changes :)70.71.162.88 08:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if you are familiar with the act of typing, but he was clearly faking it. Also, he really didn't look at the screen as he "typed" which would make it hard to edit something. A more likely scenario is that an audience member registered the account and made the change just after the taping.--24.75.136.130 15:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Colbert report]]

message: they made  Idaho's Portugal redirect here.  It should probably redirect to something about colbert. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ikanreed (talk • contribs) 12:46, August 2, 2006  (UTC) 
:Same with Washington's Mexico and California's Canada. Katr67 19:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that someone's changed those pages to now redirect to The_Colbert_Report_recurring_elements#Recurring_topics --Cybercobra 20:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: another vandal, who was quite sneaky

message: This assertion crops up (pun unintended) in the Salem, Oregon and Willamette Valley articles as well. I did a little digging and posted my results on the Willamette Valley talkpage. Katr67 22:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Willamette Valley as "most fertile" 

message: Oregon State flag has been changed to include "IDAHO'S PORTUGAL", in clear reference to the Colbert Report incident. For lack of a replacement image, I encourage people to submit a new one (I haven't been able to revert the flag change.)
I also suggest Oregon is protected from vandalism, since these jokes seem recurrent. rfernand 05:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would seem to at least warrant semi-protection (protection from edits by unregistered ppl -- much like elephant) at least until the Colbertites calm down.  --ZonathYak 09:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Vandalism 

message: On September 13, 2006 (in this edit), User:ClairSamoht put  at the top of this article.  If there are issues not covered by the existing templates  (such as the  in the History section or the various uses of ), please list them here (and if discussion is warranted, have a separate section for that).  That would help to ensure that open issues can be addressed.  66.167.137.46 19:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to the lack of response, I removed the tag; editors can feel free to re-tag, of course, though it would be more constructive to list actionable issues. --ScottMainwaring 17:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of issues resulting in the noncompliant