Talk:Windows Vista/Archive 7

message: Here is an information about from the Windows Vista Team Blog shows there having a Windows Vista Couch Tour.  Here's a picture of Windows Vista bus. Can we put this information to the article? Jigs41793 Talk 07:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, I think you mean coach, not couch. I had visions of the Vista team driving round on armchairs - Jack (talk) 08:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Vista Couch Tour 

message: Information that you might find useful: Any program  that is not able to run nativly on vista can be ran in compatibility mode (right-click on probram, properties, then compatiblity.) Then you can run them with compatibility from 98-xp sp2. 
Just in case anyone wants to put a Response to critics or workarounds section. If that would be un-wikipedian, you can delete this suggestion.
01:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information for authors 

message: The Windows Vista consumer release countdown at the Official Windows Vista website's The Community page, it said 4 days to go to release Windows Vista.  So will be release Windows Vista on January 28, 2007 (earlier 2 days from January 30) for consumers customers.  Can we change the release date into the article? Jigs41793 Talk 12:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've viewed the site you've mentioned and to me it clearly correlated to 00:00 January 30, 2007. You may be interpreting it wrong because it works relative to the time zone your computer is in. This fits because I know Harvey Norman in Australia is opening selected stores around midnight in AEST. Harryboyles 12:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date goes earlier again? 

message: Since Windows Vista is going to be released in the future the future project template belongs on this page. For all we know Windows may delay the date, change specs, or do anything else! They could cancel all of the pre-orders and cancel the public retail all together. I know, highly unlikely, but it is wiki policy to warn readers of future products. Similar to the Apple TV which has the future product template. Yaanch 22:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's coming out in less than a week. I even have an official, hologram disc of the RTM version. The product is finalized. --Guess Who 02:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Product Template 

message: When visiting the Microsoft website, and looking at Vista Starter, it says it will be mainly used for OEM. It is difficult to believe that new computers will be delivered with max 256MB memory.
When visiting the citation: ([[35]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/b4874f19-5be0-4cba-924a-9210e587b2f01033.mspx] It says nothing about 256MB, nor any other limitations in Vista.
I propose to change this paragraph to something that is more plausible and can be proved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.241.186.203 (talk) 14:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Starter Edition is for emerging markets (aka, not the US/Europe/Canada/Australia/etc.), so it's not so unrealistic. Paul Thurrott's article on the various editions of Vista has the 256MB figure.. --Guess Who 22:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memory usage and other limitations in Windows Vista Starter 

message: According to Windows Vista Community Page, the countdown said 2 days left to release Windows Vista.  So it's true will be released Vista for consumers on January 29. Jigs41793 Talk 23:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're forgetting the 10 or so hours that round it up to midnight on January 30. Harryboyles 02:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: You're also forgetting that we have a variety of reliable sources that say January 30.   -/- Warren 15:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Release Date 

message: Might be worth adding:
http://www.jameswoodcock.co.uk/?p=912
James Woodcock interviews Paul Thurrott regarding Microsoft’s latest operating system, Windows Vista. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glidem (talk • contribs) 17:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Thurrott Podcast hosted by James Woodcock 

message: Just thought i'd point out that Windows Vista should not be called simply "Vista", as it is in numerous places within this article. That'd be like referring to Windows 95 as simply "95". I know many people do simply call it "Vista", but "Windows Vista" is the official title.
:I disagree. Many things have a calling name next to the official title. I suggest we include a line in the opener explaining that Windows Vista is oftne reffered to as "Vista", as this will clarify the use, as well as serve as information for real-world application: Thanks to this line, people will be able to understand when someone else refers to "Vista". Arjunm 19:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also add that many editors have a rather annoying tendency to refer to the product as "Microsoft Vista" which is incorrect. It should be referred to as either "Microsoft Windows Vista", "Windows Vista" or "Vista." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rcandelori (talk • contribs) 14:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Vista's official title 

message: I changed the article to demostrate the fact that Vista has been released on January 30th () as expected (). While most of the world is still in January 29th, parts of the world are in January 30th and Vista has been released. It's wikipedia policy to follow local time when appropriate. In this case, it's clearly appropriate since Vista has been released. Nil Einne 11:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vista released 

message: "On January 30, 2007 it was released worldwide to the general public" Isn't it only the 29th today? I'll change it, but if there  is a reason for that, please explain.
Okay, it won't let me, If it will let you, thanks. Obi Two Knobi 13:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you view the edit where the first instance of tense change occured (this edit), the edit summary states that "It's already Jan 30th in parts of the world and Vista has been released. BG hasn't launched it yet, but it's verifable that it has been released". This is the case as I know in Australia, Harvey Norman has certain stores open from 11pm to 1am approx. Anyway, come next week, no-one will care. Harryboyles 14:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, this is explained in the section above> Harryboyles 14:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Please, just because someone else has been rude to you doesn't mean that you should be rude back to them. See Wikipedia:Etiquette. iamthebob(talk|contribs) 08:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Was/IS

message: Yup, it's official! You can now DOWNLOAD all upgrade versions of Windows Vista (excluding Enterprise) as well as both upgrade and full install versions of Office 2007 Home and Student, Standard, and Professional.
Windows Vista:  
Office 2007:  
Click on these links, and they will give you more information about how to download the upgradeable versions of Windows Vista onto your computer. The Office 2007 link will provide the same information, except that full install versions are also included.
Allan kuan1992 23:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Vista and Office 2007 can now be downloaded online! 

message: Hi, the page is protected so please add the Icelandic version: is:Windows Vista
:Done. :) Carson 00:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icelandic version 

message: The article mentions that only Business and Ultimate editions support Remote Desktop, but is that referring to the *server* or to the *client*?  Can anyone confirm this? UOSSReiska 23:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate have the RDP server.  The Home editions only have the client.   -/- Warren 23:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remote Desktop 

message: Perhaps it was just this particular type, but the box of "Home Premium Edition" on the retail shelf, when opened displayed only a single DVD with just the 32 bit version.  A piece of paper was slotted in which stated the 64 bit version is "available" on DVD for a nominal shipping fee.  This version was opened by a store rep at a BestBuy so I'd sortof like to confirm it from someone who has purchased an off the shelf retail version to see if this was an isolated case or not. -Moocats 00:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My copy also included only 32-bit. --Guess Who 22:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe only certain versions contain the 64 bit disks, because my Visa Ultimate Edition upgrade box contained both. BambinoPrime 20:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's what I keep hearing... the Ultimate edition ships with both DVDs, but Home doesn't.  Would be good to get some independent confirmation on this, so we can add it to the article.  -/- Warren 04:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't bet my life on it but from what I know Vista ships with all versions on one DVD. You get installed for what you have key and hardware.All Vista versions to ship on single disc, Cnet.--Pethr 04:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All the 32-bit versions ship on one disc and all the 64-bit versions ship on another. It specifically says on my disc that it contains 32-bit software only. --Guess Who 06:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only the Ultimate edition comes packaged with 64-bit software. 64-bit software is, however, available for all versions. You can use this link to find more information, and get instructions on how to order the 64-bit discs: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/64bit.mspx You'll be charged only the usual shipping and handling fees. It should also be noted that you can only obtain the 64-bit versions on DVDs - CD installations are not an option. 72.70.153.156 10:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure about you guys, but my Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade Edition did not come with a 64 bit disc. It simply states on the dvd, that it only contains the 32 bit version. I can't check all 6 versions how ever. Any more clarification of what other versions have it or don't have it would be great as we could add it to the article. --Dcluett 05:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retail versions DO NOT include 64 bit discs 

message: Since many places seem to be selling OEM versions of Windows Vista (and Microsoft has stated that they are not frowning upon this), I think it would be good to have a section that describes the differences between a Retail and OEM copy.  It took me a good half-hour to fully understand the differences between them, and then to confirm them.  From what I gather, there are three major differences.  You don't get the box or manual.  You don't get customer support through Microsoft.  And you need to call Microsoft to reactivate your version of Windows Vista if you change your motherboard (however, you will NOT need to buy another copy of the OS).
Just thought I'd mention this, as it would be very useful information to have...and that's what Wikipedia is about.
68.205.53.156 01:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explain OEM Versions 

message: Hi, I thought an article Comparisons between Windows Vista and Mac OS X would be a good idea, so it would all be in one place. I'm posting this on Mac OS X as well, so any comments would be appreciated Shealer 15:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Notice: This article has been proposed for deletion. Harryboyles 12:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vista Vs. OS X? 

message: I may have just missed it, but is there any mention of Vista's Zune problem? If not it should be added (I would but I'm "new"). PS WIndows rocks!!!   Obi Two Knobi 01:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Zune is fully compatible with Windows Vista.  There's no reason to mention it.  -/- Warren 06:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incompatibillity w/ Zune

message: According to Wikipedia:Criticism
In general, making separate sections with the title "Criticism" is discouraged...
Criticism sections should not violate Article structures that can imply a point of view. These sections must not be created to marginalize criticism or critics of the article's topic or imply that this criticism is not true while the more positive claims in the rest of the article are.
Why is this article nominated for formatting awards when it fails this test?
Since the article is to be written from a neutral point of view (a Wikipedia prime-directive), I have trouble understanding how any section entitled "Criticism" can be neutral in its portrayal of the topic.  It further implies that the balance of the article (the non-Criticism sections) avoids criticisms to a fault.
~~Rob 2/4/07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.32.166.121 (talk) 17:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue of integrating criticism into the rest of the article has been brought up a few times before, but nobody's found a really good way to do this with operating system articles. It tends to work better with biographies and other types of articles that follow a subject through a linear time pattern.  Development of Windows Vista, for example, has criticism sprinkled through it, instead of having a separate section.  Here, though, it works fine as a separate section, since the criticism is itself presented in a balanced fashion.   -/- Warren 20:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: Since the article on Windows Fiji was removed, I think it would be a good idea to at least include a small section about it in the Vista article.  There is a lot of good articles about it that have been published.  Windows Fiji is the first service pack (SP) of Vista and Microsoft expects it to be released sometime in 2007.
Possible Sources:
http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=142
64.126.78.83 17:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no proof right now that the term "Fiji" is anything but the product of Mary Jo Foley's imagination.  Nobody at Microsoft has used it, and everybody else who uses the term heard it from Foley.  As for SP1 itself, there's really no information about it out there other than the fact that it's coming; everything else is speculation, and we really don't need to publish a whole bunch of speculative material in this article.  Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.   -/- Warren 19:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiji (Vista SP1/Vista R2) 

message: Please do not include User:SCJohnson77's screenshot (:Image:Vistascrnst2.jpg). For one, it does not comply with Wikipedia's screenshot policy. In addition to that, it is a screenshot of build 5600, which is obsolete. Thank you. — Alex (T|C|E) 02:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshot dispute 

message: The article suggests (well, makes explicit) that Microsoft will only support Vista to 2012.  Since they're also supporting XP to 2012, I wonder if someone hasn't got some wires crossed?  203.129.54.183 02:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "support to 2012" 

message: There is no support for hardware accelerated sound in Windows Vista, making all current and older games get very bad 3D sound support. Creative has developed an alternative solution which however will not work on all games. There is some speculation, that these changes will hurt soundcard sales. I believe this should be mentioned somewhere in this article and not just kept in a sidenote in connected articles. --84.178.123.209 22:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically speaking, hardware acceleration (including EAX) in DirectSound has been eliminated under Vista.  Microsoft considers DirectSound itself depreciated now (although software mixing is still supported), and did not consider hardware acceleration worth supporting considering the small market share Creative Labs cards now occupy.  Also, the fact that with multi-core CPUs now widely available, it is simpler for game developers to use software audio mixers (similar to the Xbox 360) on a dedicated CPU core instead of relying on audio hardware.  Some games utilize the OpenAL library, which supports hardware acceleration on Creative Labs cards through a set of custom drivers which essentially bypasses the new Vista audio stack.  Another alternative Creative Labs is developing is an external dll that emulates DirectSound functionality, and routes hardware acceleration through OpenAL drivers if available.  Jboer 10:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  no EAX sound 

message: Um, I don't have editor rights currently, but the above clause is embedded in the second sentence under Development, and it should be removed. It is not only bad grammar, but even as a standalone statement, it violates the neutrality of the article.
I'm just posting this for those who otherwise might not notice the text to remove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.141.117.10 (talk) 20:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was another instance of vandalism and was reverted. Thanks for spotting that. Harryboyles 10:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Windows vista is very good but the windows xp is better" 

message: There should be an addition to whether Vista is said "Vee-sta" or "Vih-sta".67.54.240.50 03:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: YES! So I'm not the only one who pronounces it "Vee-sta". However, my Merriam-Webster collegiate dictionary only allows for "Vih-sta" as a pronunciation. So I guess that's how it is. I was surprised when I saw the "Get a Mac" ad and heard "Vih-sta", since that was the first time I heard it pronounced. 4.242.147.223 01:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK, it's pronounced "vih-stah" if it's the same as the word vista (I assume it is).  m-w.com will probably confirm this (although, it does have "nucular" as a correct pronunciation for nuclear). --CCFreak2K 07:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Vista Proper Speech 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista
I was hoping to find more valuable information about Windows Vista vs. XP, but this is what I found instead:
"Why you should buy Windows
Windows is a great way to download and watch porn. With its ease of hacking into porn sites you can watch all the great videos around the net. Windows is also gay which means gay porn will also be automatically downloaded to the new folder, "My Pornos"."
Somebody please take this out.
:Fixed and blocked by other users. Thanks for pointing that out! Luna Santin 21:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it was an IP user who commented first; the article is locked. iamthebob(talk|contribs) 05:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vulgarity in Windows Vista page -  [[User:MorningGlory732|MorningGlory732]] 20:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)  

message: I was wondering, what font does Windows Vista use for it's title bars? I know that XP uses Trebuchet MS, but does anyone know the specific font Vista uses? --72.138.99.23 21:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Segoe UI. Harryboyles 23:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Vista Font? 

message: "Games or programs which are built on Vista's version of DirectX, 10, will not work on prior versions of Windows, as DirectX 10 is not backwards-compatible with DirectX 9."
This does not describe backwards-compatibility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backward_compatibility).  Backwards-compatible would be the reverse; software designed for DirectX 9 working with DirectX 10.  It is correct, however, that DirectX 10 is not backward-compatible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directx_10).  129.44.254.113 13:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DirectX/Backward compatibility 

message: I'd just like to say that there is a poll on Vista on the Vista talk page about having it redirect here and having the current Vista become a disabiguate instead. Cloud02 22:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vista redirect 

message: I'm just wondering, why is this locked? This is not a problem for me, because I have an account that has been here for a while. I am merely curuios, as to why it has been locked, as others may not be able to add thier info to the article. Cheers --Robin63 09:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From a little above on this page: "Why you should buy Windows Windows is a great way to download and watch porn. With its ease of hacking into porn sites you can watch all the great videos around the net. Windows is also gay which means gay porn will also be automatically downloaded to the new folder, "My Pornos"."Windows Vista is big at the moment, which brings all the people who think they are funny out of the woodwork either to support it or bash it.  Given the amount of hate sent against MS I doubt this article will be unprotected any time soon.--204.76.128.217 13:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locked 

message: Editors of this article might find this interesting... put shortly, this article is the 9th most commonly read article on the Wikipedia right now, including the main page.  It was pretty popular last month, too.  I've spent a year working on this article so I'm pretty thrilled to see that it gets read over 25,000 times a day, but we get very low levels of vandalism. :-)   -/- Warren 05:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting, and congratulations to all editors and to you Warren for your stewardship.  There has been a big surge of interest since the release date(s).  Keep up the good work everyone. Peter Campbell 02:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, good work. But I wasn't surprised that things like Sex, masterbation and vagina were on the list either :-|. Jasca Ducato 11:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  popularity of this article 

message: There sure is a lot of vandalism of this article. I think that it is best that it remains locked.
:: I agree.  Megastealer 03:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock Again? 

message: does anybody know what version of unicode Vista comes with? Is it Unicode Standard, Version 5.0? 207.202.227.125 21:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  version of unicode 

message: Does anyone actually know how much each box of windows vista actually costs?,it doesnt seem mentioned.It seems to me that although it must of cost alot for the software developement,to mass produce versions of windows vista for retail each one can't cost for than $50 with the packaging and the blank discs they burned the software on,yet the ultimate edition is $400,and it wouldnt even cost much more to make than the others,so im guessing the ration of retail to manufacture cost is big.192.30.202.29 20:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't imagine the boxes, materials, DVDs, etc. costing more than $20 per unit at the ABSOLUTE maximum (it's probably closer to $5, maybe even less).  Hell, the DVDs themselves can probably be made for less than a dime a pop (ahh, good old economy of scale).  FYI, commercial CDs/DVDs are not burned; they are pressed (see CD manufacturing). --CCFreak2K 07:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost of Manufacturing 

message: The true name of this feature is Shadow Copy, not Previous Versions. Please see Windows Vista: Features Explained: Shadow Copy  for more details.  Meteoroid ←  21:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep it's called Shadow Copy.. I guess "Previous Versions" came about because that's what the tab is labeled --⁪frothT 06:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Shadow Copy" or "Previous Versions?" 

message: I'd like to know what's new in the operating system itself; I'm less interested in what new software programs come bundled with WV. I can download the latest Internet Explorer and used it with XP, okay? But what can I only get by upgrading the system? --Uncle Ed 03:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what our articles Features new to Windows Vista and Technical features new to Windows Vista are for. Really, those articles will give you a much better explanation than I ever could. Harryboyles 05:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: System Updates vs. new versions of bundled programs

message: The title contains the word "Screenshots", yet there are no links to galleries.
In the past, it used to link to http://neosmart.net/gallery/v/os/Vista/ which contains screenshots for many stages during the beta process, as well as screenshots of the final RTM build. I don't see a valid reason not to have that link there. Computer Guru 09:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Screenshots & Reviews