Talk:Nguyễn Ngọc Loan

message: Somebody should put something in about the movie about this -- http://www.laemmle.com/viewmovie.php?mid=4986 --Jay  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.116.107 (talk) 06:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Tom Buckley who interviewed Loan before and after the shooting describes the weapon as a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson "Airweight."  I am removing the previous reference as it is not cited.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff.R.Bowman (talk • contribs) 23:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Weapon

message: Article has an NPOV tag, added June 2012.  I see no ongoing debate or listing in this page about what is NPOV.  I'm not saying there is or is not POV content here, and don't have any kind of dog in this fight - while I can see things that an editor or reader might consider NPOV, there is not detail of it and I don't consider it that way.  In action with WP:DRIVEBY, I am being bold and removing the tag.  Feel free to revert or add it back in, but I suggest but please detail here specifically is considered NPOV.  (Sorry if this seems like a drive-by untagging.)  23:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing NPOV tag. 

message: I would like to have more reliable citation to verify that sentence. The current citation mentions a document film, but have no link, and does not clearly say which part of the film shows the sentence "we know who you are...". Therefore I will put the template "Request quotation" there. Thanks for helping. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 18:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "We know who you are..." 

message: This article is full of POV content that seeks to justify the general's actions. This is completely unacceptable and reads as propaganda. The article needs to be rewritten from the ground up and marked as unreliable and POV until that time. 62.238.249.71 (talk) 11:12, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article violates NPOV 

message: This article talks about and mentions the photo of Nguyễn executing a prisoner but doesn't include the relevant photo. However, the photo of the event is already uploaded to Wikipedia. Why hasn't it been added to this article? Replaceinkcartridges (talk) 14:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant Images? 

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message: * Lê Công Nà (Bảy Nà)
* Captain Bảy Lốp
* Nguyễn Văn Lém
* Ew Tu
I'm totally lost for the various names for the executed man. The various articles list several names. ABC and Library of Congress call him "Nguyễn Văn Lém" so that's the name I'm going with. I'm not sure what the sources are for these other names. Presumably at least some of them would be a Nomme de guerre that he would be using right? What's the source for the other names? 
Also, the naming convention of Asians places the family name first. This makes the both the executed man and the perpetrator have the same last name, Nguyen. Typically on Wikipedia the person is introduced with the full name, and then later addressed by the family name. That can't work for this page and would result in sentences such as "Nguyen executed Nguyen.". The article currently referrs to them as "Loan" and "Lem", which would be the equivalent of using first names like "John" and "Barry" correct? This would seem to be incorrect formatting. I'm not sure how to solve this. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:58, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: In English reliable sources Loan and Lem are referred to by their given names, which is reflected in the current state of the article.  I think we should follow them in our usage, even if it is awkward. Kges1901 (talk) 21:06, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names? 

message: Here's a list of additional sources that I've found but haven't added to the page yet:
* Stanley Karnow's "Vietnam: A History." (1983)- The Washington Post obit on Loan is largely cited to this book. It seems like a reasonable book to use. It's already used once in the article, and it could be used more. 
* NPR Obituary (1998)- In annoying Real media audio format. Likely the source for various quotes by Adams. 
* The Villain of Vietnam - Esquire (1979) - A profile on Loan by Esquire and his new business. More information on his life in America, and likely a source of direct quotes from Loan. 
* Time (1993) - Profile of Lem's widow. 
* People (2000) - Profile on Lem's widow.
*Eddie Adams: Vietnam. New York City: Umbrage, 2008. Written and edited by Alyssa Adams. .
*Eddie Adams: Bigger than the Frame. Austin, TX: University of Texas Press, 2017. By Eddie Adams. . 
* Ronald H. Spector (1993). After Tet. Free Press. ISBN 0-02-930380-X
* James R. Arnold (1990). The Tet Offensive 1968. Praeger Publishers. ISBN 0-275-98452-4.
Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional sources: 

message: The article currently claims that he was forced into retirement in 1991 over publicity leading to a decline in business over his past. However, the Baltimore Sun says media first discovered him in America in 1976. And the 1979 Harper's piece is a profile on Loan and his business. So it seems that Loan and his business were operating in the open. So why would his business fail in 91 over his infamy? Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:25, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does describe him as "closing the failing restaurant", so could be because it wasn't profitable? Kges1901 (talk) 16:35, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The link could have just been an editor making a sloppy inference (if his business closed, it must have been because of the photo). Based on the limited information I have seen so far, it just sounds more likely the business died on its own, like any other. Alternatively, there really was some spike in media in 1991. Or a combination of the two. Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If an RS source for a link can't be found, we don't have speculate on why, just include what RS say on why it closed. Kges1901 (talk) 16:54, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "Time 1968" (2008) says it closed in 1991, and offers no reason. But it also identifies it as operating in Dale City, which seems wrong. Robbins says it closed in 1991, and that Loan retired to spend time with his family. He cites nothing about being forced. Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dale City portion is likely from the NYT obit. The mall that the restaurant was described as being in was in Burke, which is 15 miles from Dale City. A 1992 directory shows Les Trois Continents as still being in the mall, so this is NYT's error. Kges1901 (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh man, every step along the way there seems sources with mistakes or questionable information. I was hoping the obituaries would be all RS and we can rely upon them as a starting base for the article, but it seems even they contain a few errors! and then other sources just repeat those previous sources without question. Lots of caution should be used in this article. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:43, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

text: The AP text archives aren't online so far as I can see, so linking them that way is standard. Guidance on ref formatting can be found at Wikipedia:Newspapers.com. Kges1901 (talk) 09:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loan's retirement: 

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