Talk:Alma Problem

message: In the original edition of Alma's biography of Mahler (which I don't have before me) she reports that visitors in the hospital saw the dying man moving his finger rhythmically.  When he noticed they were watching, Gustav reportedly said, "Mozartl... Mozartl."  In the English translation this is changed to "Mozart... Mozart."
In lieu of tracing down any further clues on the discrepancy I thought a bit about why Gustav would say "Mozartl."  We know that Wolfgang's sister Anna Maria Mozart was known as "Nännerl" and Gustav's first daughter, who died, was named Anna Maria.  Tokerdesigner (talk) 01:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you wondering about what is an entirely standard Germanic diminutive...? Pfistermeister (talk) 02:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gustav's last words 

message: Some changes probably should be made to this article in order to make it more professional.  First, this "Problem" is, on the face of it, just another manifestation of a widespread historical obstacle facing scholars: the tendency of spouses, family, and friends to want to construct the meaning of someone's life and work in a particular way.  We can see it most recently, for example, amid the uproar over the new Charles Schultz biography.  That said, I wonder whether this article might be seen as coming down on Mrs. Werfel pretty hard.  Why describe her merely as an "articulate, well-connected and influential woman"?  To boil it down, it seems to me that this article rains down pretty heavily on a single person for doing what, as any historian knows, many, many people have done.  And there would hardly be room for all those "problem" articles in Wikipedia, I would think.  Thoughts? Dunkelweizen 13:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a point. I would like to hear the thoughts of the primary author of the article, Pfistermeister. But in the meantime, what changes do you have in mind?--Atavi 20:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that changes in style and adding passages to make the points you are making in this talk page can be made immediately. Besides, Wikipedia is among others about collaboration. I also hear your concern about whether this article is needed at all. I might even share your concern to a certain degree. However, the article is currently quite lengthy and to delete it I think requires input from more people. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Five pillars offer some guidelines on what can be included, but I won't dare to make a personal judgment on this article --not for now at least.--Atavi 20:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, Dunkelweizen. Good luck with this. When you think you're ready to contribute be bold and go through with it; this article --like most others-- can be improved. As for if the article should exist, I'm here to discuss the matter further. Cheers,--Atavi 17:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Alma Problem Problem

message: Dunkelweizen, please justify your assertion that the writer of 'Mahler Remembered'
http://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Remembered-Norman-Lebrecht/dp/0571146929
is not to be considered a scholarly authority when he writes on this topic. My quote is restored pending your explanation. Pfistermeister (talk) 12:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem.  To be a scholarly authority, one must be properly trained as one.  Norman Lebrecht is an active and dedicated journalist whose prolific output on contemporary musical life has advanced discussion of the topic in a witty and irreverent way.  I love Norman Lebrecht and find his book on twentieth-century music to be a thoroughly pleasant read.  But Lebrecht is not a scholar, and his insights should supply neither the basis nor the supporting arguments for any encyclopedic endeavor.  His work is not submitted to peer review.  Mahler Remembered is a great book to have around, but it is a compiled anthology intended for lay enthusiasts, not an original scholarly contribution by any measure.  Stephen Hefling, Peter Franklin, John Williamson, James Buhler, and the late Edward R. Reilly are all scholars of Mahler's music.  Norman Lebrecht is a worthwhile human being and a valuable writer, but he is not a scholar.  I hope this makes sense.  Unless you can demonstrate that Lebrecht is actually a scholar, please remove the quote. Dunkelweizen (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norman Lebrecht 'not a scholarly authority'?? 

message: The article's final paragraph notes that a mistranslation "furchtbar" -> "severe" occured in the Creighton edition and proposes to rather translate it as "frightful". Despite the two words being cognates, Creighton's translation seems to be the appropriate one in this case, as the word "furchtbar" has several different meanings. A "frightful migraine" would be a nonsensical description in English as in German if used in that context.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810C:4000:EC:BDD3:4F91:12BB:8B14 (talk) 00:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable translation