Talk:Kashmir Shaivism

message: This book was published by SUNY; what's outdated about this book? Except for the author maybe too involved? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:17, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Dyczkowski, Mark  (1987), ''The doctrine of vibration''

message: Why was 'group of traditions' removed? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:45, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Lawrence, David Peter, ''Kashmiri Shaiva Philosophy'', Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

message: Christopher Wallis says in Tantra illuminated chapter 2: "If you hear the term “Kashmīr Shaivism,” it is generally referring to the philosophy of the Trika school of Śaiva Tantra. The Trika school is often associated with Kashmīr because its greatest exponent, Abhinava Gupta, was from Śrīnagar in the Kashmīr Valley. In fact, though, the Trika was pan-Indian, like most of the Śaiva groups. We have evidence of this from an early period in both Orissa and Mahārāṣṭra, and it seems that the latter may have been its homeland. It is certainly the case that Abhinava Gupta’s guru’s guru came from Mahārāṣṭra (in west-central India). The founder of the Trika is said to be a sage named Tryambaka, who might have been associated with Tryambakeshwar, a beautiful power-site in rural Mahārāṣṭra where there is a temple still in operation today."
So really, this is a misnomer, because the Trika school was not just a Kashmiri school nor did it start in Kashmir, not only that, but there were and are many forms of Shaivism in Kashmir, not just the nondual tradition of Abhinavagupta et al. This is noted also by Mark S. G. Dyczkowski in his Doctrine of Vibration, page 12, in which he notes that Abhinavagupta's teachers of Trika were not from Kashmir. Mark also notes that Abhinavagupta names the tradition as Anuttaratrikakula in his "Light of the tantras" which is "also known simply as Trika". So Trika Shaivism is I think a better title for this tradition.
Javierfv1212 (talk)
* Disagree per WP:COMMONNAME - "Kashmir Shaivism" is more commonly used than "Trika Shaivism". — kashmiri TALK 01:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if this is the case, the name is misnomer. Here is a video of the leading scholar in the field, Alexis Sanderson, and in the beginning he makes the argument that the name Kashmir Shaivism is misleading and should not be used. ☸Javierfv1212☸ 13:54, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: I propose the article name should 'Trika Shaivism' instead

message: Kashmiri shaivism was never influenced by Vijnanavada and Dharmakirti while people like Joshua Jonathan and other people Venlata Tl show such things . As world is real in Kashmiri Shaivism. 2409:4061:4E96:EFE7:8CCB:C711:A8E4:30E (talk) 09:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you share academic sources in support of your opinion? — kashmīrī TALK 12:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a Zen-anecdote: a Zen-master teaches a student that the world is created by mind. Okay, thinks the students, and doesn't go out of the way of an approaching vehicle. Badly injured, he goes to the master to complain that his teachings are wrong. In response, the teacher says "Yeah, the world is created by mind, but it doesn't mean the vehicle won't hurt you!" Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:53, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kashmiri shaivism was never influenced by Vijnanavada and Dharmakirti. 

message: I propose the article be renamed as 'Kashmiri Shaivism' rather than Kashmir Shaivism. Gen8Master (talk) 05:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kashmiri Shaivism not Kashmir Shaivism