Talk:List of F.E.A.R. characters and organizations

message: The official site for FEAR 2 now has character bios up with info suspected, but never proven in the first game.
*Alma is stated to be 16 at the time that Fettel is born, making her 26 at the time of her death.
*Harlan Wade is said to have contributed (along with other members of the Project Origin staff) DNA to Alma's pregnancies.
I didn't want to put the same link twice, so I put a reference to the site (www.whatisfear.com) next to Alma's age. AlessaGillespie (talk) 11:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means do so, with <a name="..." /> markup.  Though if that's true, that's rather strange, since it's contradicted by something in F.E.A.R..  Unless I'm misremembering, originally Betters suspects that Harlan Wade might have contributed genetic material, but then rules it out as more laptops are collected.  I wonder if they didn't contradict their original claims simply to make the whole matter more sundry.  Xihr  11:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Betters did originally think Harlan was the genetic basis for the prototype, but later discovered it was Alma. Harlan and other PO members contributed to the pregnancy (hence why it would be physically impossible for the prototypes to be male, coming from Alma's DNA alone). Kinda gross, really. AlessaGillespie (talk) 00:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Added- I'm not sure how to put the smae link three times without having three different links in teh refs section going to the same place. AlessaGillespie (talk) 00:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Use ... for the first and then  for subsequent references to the same thing.  Xihr  06:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Um, I can't get it to work. I keep getting different error messages. AlessaGillespie (talk) 16:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Weird, what errors are you getting?  Xihr  20:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It keeps saying Cite error: </ref> needed for <ref> or something like that. Even when I get it to work without the error, it still makes seperate reference points for the same site. AlessaGillespie (talk) 04:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Alma's Age and Other Stuff

message: The page says that Alma is often helping the Point Man in her child form, but this doesn't hold true for the only canon game in the series (she clearly tries to kill him while in her child form). Should the line be shifted to make it clear that this only occurs in the non-canon expansion packs or be changed to simply say Alma is trying to kill him in either form? AlessaGillespie (talk) 10:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there's no pattern either way, it doesn't seem worth mentioning at all.  Xihr  00:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Adult Form/Child Form 

message: At the near start of the level Afterimage, the player sees the phantom image of a man lean around the corner of a hallway and whisper, "it wasn't my fault." The player is too far away to get a good look at the guy's face before it crumbles away, but I'm guessing it is Iain Hives, since you're right near his office and you hear Aristide's voice messages to him. However, unlike most phantom images of people in the game, there is nothing other than those voice messages to imply that it is iain hives, and i think it's a lot of conjecture. Does anyone know for sure who the phantom image is?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrinkshooter (talk • contribs) 23:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like you're mixing things up.  The ghostly corporeal figure you keep encountering (other than Fettel and Alma, of course) is Jankowski.  Both of the lines you quote above are said in his voice.  His figure is distinctive because its eyes are gouged out. Xihr 23:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: mixing what up? everything i typed in the second paragraph is mutually exclusive in every respect to the things I typed in the first paragraph. anything written in either of them has nothing to do with whatever i wrote in the other one. Also, as I add my contributions to this page, I'm actually playing through the game. I'm certain that the man leaning around the corner in the level "Afterimage" is not Jankowski. Jankowski wears a mostly white suit and is bald. The man leaning around the corner in Afterimage is mostly colored brown and red, and from what i can see of him from so far away, he has hair. It's true you encounter jankowski in the ATC building right as you're turning a corner, but that is completely seperate from what I'm talking about in afterimage. When you see jankowski, each time you can get close enough to make out fine enough details (i.e. 10 feet or less). The man in afterimage crumbles away before you get close enough to make out any details other than the general color of his body.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.149.27.94 (talk) 01:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Iain Hives

message: This Characters and organizations article features the contents of the corresponding sections from the F.E.A.R. main article. I left them mostly untouched, but honestly I think they should be cut a lot: there's a huge amount of pure speculation that badly fits an encyclopedia, not to mention some repetitions. Berserker79 09:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New page after splitting the F.E.A.R. article 

message: I've started a clean-up of this characters article. The size of this page was getting too large, so I decided to remove large portions of text which appeared to be mostly game related speculations and theories. It appears it is not Wikipedia policy to have speculations in cvg related articles, so I've reworked these characters bios to remove the exceeding data. 
So far I've worked on the Allies section, but I'll soon get to work on the remaining sections.
Ok, completed the clean-up. Basically the big "cuts" where within "the New Guy" and "Alma" sections. Berserker79 14:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up 

message: Mech Soldier: reworked paragraph because this unit is actually a soldier clad in an exoskeleton. One can check this out in the game itself by looking at the gore drenched pieces that this thing leaves behind when the player destroys it: there's one piece of the mech with a severed human arm inside still clenching what is likely one of the suits controls.
:This is correct. If you look at the inside cover of the DVD game box you can clearly see that it's a guy in a suit (the arms and thighs are exposed) Joylock 12:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, no. It's a stealth generator. SloMo doesn't make the assassins visible. The assassins become visible whenever they try to hit you, SloMo just means that they spend more time visible. Joylock 12:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for confirming those facts about the "Mech soldier". As for the "Assassin" it's quite possible it may be a stealth gen in the end: probably I got mistaken since I usually activate SlowMo right before they strike and thus got myself a wrong idea. Thanks. Berserker79 12:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a stealth gen because if manage to shoot them while cloaked, they are instantly revealed. When you use SloMo they can still be invisible, as long as you haven't shot them or they haven't attacked you. Delta 23:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mech & Assassin edit 

message: His name, I'm fairly sure, is "Spen" Jankowski. raukolith 21:46, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a text file coming with F.E.A.R. (or at least there's in my edition of the game...) where the character's name is Spen, however I seem to recall someone here on Wiki mentioning the official name for Jankowski is Leo. Berserker79 11:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone took out the reference between Jankowski and Deus Ex Invisible War. I reverted it because there seems to be no reason behind it. Whoever changed it, please state your reasons here. Delta 01:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever the assumed connection to Deus Ex is, the character's name in F.E.A.R. is not Leo. Xihr 08:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, it's not Leo.  When Jankowski talks in-game the icon in the upper left corner shows his name as "Jankowski, S."  You can confirm this in about thirty seconds; fire up a single player game, skip the story sequences, and he's the second person to talk (after Betters). I don't know if his first name is ever explicitly stated elsewhere in the game as Spen, but it's clearly not Leo. (I'm not even sure where the idea that it's Leo comes from.) Xihr 08:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that was what I was afraid of. I've never seen any mention of the name being Leo until I saw it on the F.E.A.R. article here at Wikipedia. As I wrote above I seem to recall someone on Wikipedia told it was Leo, but I can't find it... I think we should leave Spen as the official name then. Berserker79 09:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not familiar with Deus Ex, but if a Leo Jankowski is indeed a character in that game, I'm guessing someone just had a brain fart. Xihr 19:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Jin refers to Spen by his first name in the expansion pack, so this is now not an issue of speculation.  Jankowski's first name is definitely Spen. Xihr 20:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leo Jankowski 

message: A user with ip 71.105.109.115 has changed the name from Leo to Spen. Honestly I still don't know what the correct name is: I've found "Spen Jankowski" in a text file coming with my copy of F.E.A.R. and I've seen it used also in the unofficial novelization of the game. Anyone can help here? Berserker79 07:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's not Leo.  When Jankowski talks in-game the icon in the upper left corner shows his name as "Jankowski, S."  You can confirm this in about thirty seconds; fire up a single player game, skip the story sequences, and he's the second person to talk (after Betters). I don't know if his first name is ever explicitly stated elsewhere in the game as Spen, but it's clearly not Leo. (I'm not even sure where the idea that it's Leo comes from.) Xihr 08:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that was what I was afraid of. I've never seen any mention of the name being Leo until I saw it on the F.E.A.R. article here at Wikipedia. As I wrote above I seem to recall someone on Wikipedia told it was Leo, but I can't find it... I think we should leave Spen as the official name then. Berserker79 09:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not familiar with Deus Ex, but if a Leo Jankowski is indeed a character in that game, I'm guessing someone just had a brain fart. Xihr 19:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Jin refers to Spen by his first name in the expansion pack, so this is now not an issue of speculation.  Jankowski's first name is definitely Spen. Xihr 20:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 17 2005 edit 

message: Does anyone know whether Jin Sun-Kwon is intentionally named after Jin and Sun Kwon from Lost, or if this is just coincidence?
:I noticed the same thing and discussed it on the F.E.A.R. talk page. While other people seems to agree its more than a possibility this is intentional, there isnt't any hard evidence to support it. Berserker79 11:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's a game? Xihr 00:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jin Sun-Kwon 

message: I don't want to sound like the bad guy who beats down on any new contributions, but I questions whether or not to include something about ATC, saying that they executed the employees at Armacham. I can sort of see the reasoning or logic, but it's a bit of a stretch and verging upon speculation. IMO, I think the employees were executed via Alma. There seem to be no bullet holes or marks near their bodies as there were when the Replica soldiers were killing of the South River Treatment Plant employees. I dunno, it's just my thinking. Delta 14:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhmmm... I seem to recall a scene where dead Armacham employees are thrown down an elevator shaft just as the Point Man passes nearby: I always thought those guys had been killed by the Replicas or those "Stealth guys" anyway. ATC Sec is after those employees who are members of the team investigating on water pollution and not just every ATC employee: to prove it, the only one they shoot is Bishop and they talk about hunting for Alice Wade and Ian Hyaves, but no one else. Berserker79 15:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ATC security executes Bishop.  That is made clear in the game, when the commander asks if it was friendly fire (which means that it was accidental) and the men on the chopper (who were trying to evac Bishop) say that it was deliberate.  Other scenes make it clear that ATC is "cleaning up" and killing all remaining survivors. Xihr 07:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You both make some good points, but I'm not so sure ATC fully "owned" the roof: there are several spots were Replicas are found, albeit I can't remember how far these sections of the roof are from the "execution shaft". Fettel and the Replicas have a reason to kill ATC employees (remember? "They deserve to die, they all deserve to die" and "They" it's the guys at Armacham). I agree they weren't killed by Alma herself, but, considering the plot, I speculate it's more likely it was the Replicas to do so. What is ATC reason to kill scores of the employees? I believe ATC wants to kill only those employees who are in the know of Origin. Still, as you already pointed out, this is mostly speculation, there's no real evidence IMO. In the end I think we should just tone down the ATC paragraph a bit in terms of speculation. Berserker79 07:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I toned the paragraph down earlier.  It's clear that ATC executes at least some employees.  The Replica forces are killing everything in their path.  Either way, I'm sure everyone would have wished they called in sick that day. Xihr 09:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I sgree with Berserker's position on this, I think the best we can do now is just make it sound less speculative and move on. There really isn't too much evidence to support either side. Delta 20:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ATC  

message: What's with the revert? That was some good stuff there. I'm going to change it back until theres some sort of explanation. Delta 18:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't understand the latest reverts... Is one or more entry missing from the article's history? Is the good stuff you are referring to the addition of the spoiler tags seen in User:Croton version? If so I think we should keep 'em: I always deemed this article "problematic" in terms of spoilers, so the tags would be helpful. If you're referring to something else, then I'm missing some revision... Berserker79 07:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite sure what you're talking about; what I was referring to was that he reverted to a version a long, long time ago (February?!). As far as I know, the spoiler tags are still there. (as in, there was no difference, to me at least, as to the presence of spoiler tags between the February version and the one today). If all this is still confusing you, just ask again (it's still confusing me!) Delta 22:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I think I got it... He reverted to such an old version that I got real badly confused. Indeed Croton's revision had to be reverted to the previous or a lot of the stuff we have worked on lately would have been lost. Sorry to have confused you as well! Berserker79 14:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert? 

message: One of the members continually changes the names of the assassins to "watchers". Last time I checked, they were in fact "assassins". The name of the LEVEL they show up in is "Watchers" I guess. Why would they be called "watchers" anyway? The turrets that you control are watching the soldiers through the camera when they're under your control. I don't know, but what I do know is that they are called assassins. STOP CHANGING THEM TO WATCHERS, PLEASE.
They are called watchers. There called watchers because they "watch" the player. Apart from the areas where you fight them you can sometimes here the sound they make (when they cloak and de-cloak) in other areas and something wierd will happen like a body falling to the ground indicating there presence. This isnt Alma or Paxton as they never have a problem with showing themselves. Often time the Replica soldiers will somehow know where you are. Such as entering an area with the goal of elimenating you. The Watchers might be relaying information to them. They are the focus of the level not the turret-cam. Anyway why would they be called Assassins they never Assassinate anyone important. The game nevers says anything about them neither does the official site. It seems to me like the term assassin for these soldiers was named by a fan and came into popular usuage. Some sites that name the Watchers, though they are not official ,  Furiso 21:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is, if you want to convince people that the name is indeed Watchers, you're going to have to back up that claim, rather than just asserting it over and over again. Xihr 23:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand that but where does it say they are called Assassins? I just want the correct term to be used. Unfortunely there is not much official information on the subject. Furiso 00:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Since it seems there is no official source for the name of this kind of enemy what about using a "generic" name? The paragraph might be titled something like "Stealth replica" and we might modify the first sentence into: "Unoficially referred to as Assassins or Watchers, these special, rarely encountered stealth soldiers were created by Armacham's Icarus Project before it was shut down...". Obviously until anyone can come up with an official source. Berserker79 07:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thats fine with me. Good idea. Furiso 09:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to avoid flaring up this discussion again, but I reverted some of these edits because we had already agreed upon a name (Or at least no one was complaining about it). Delta 20:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: As long as someone can confirm it, it sounds pretty concrete to me. I personally can't because I had to wipe my hard drive and have yet to reinstall F.E.A.R., but hopefully someone else sure can. I'll change it back now and it can be reverted or whatnot otherwise. Delta 00:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's true, files/AI definitions/model is called Assassin. But I don't think this name should be used as official name, maybe it will be better just mentioning that in article. "Official" names are names which are given ingame. I think it's "watcher", map where player encounters them is called "watchers" 80.93.176.70 (talk) 20:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Watcher/Assassin name feud 

message: I've been looking trough the game files uncompressed when I installed the F.E.A.R. SDK. Some of the folders interestingly contain files named "Assassin.*" (e.g. Sierra\FEAR Public Tools\Dev\Runtime\Game\Database\Character\Models\Assassin.record). The Assassin.record file contains lines mentioning also a "cloaked" status. It looks to me the guys at Monolith intended the "Stealth Replica" to be named Assassin and we should turn back to the Assassin designation. Berserker79 10:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as someone can confirm it, it sounds pretty concrete to me. I personally can't because I had to wipe my hard drive and have yet to reinstall F.E.A.R., but hopefully someone else sure can. I'll change it back now and it can be reverted or whatnot otherwise. Delta 00:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's true, files/AI definitions/model is called Assassin. But I don't think this name should be used as official name, maybe it will be better just mentioning that in article. "Official" names are names which are given ingame. I think it's "watcher", map where player encounters them is called "watchers" 80.93.176.70 (talk) 20:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible source for official name

message: If any of you guys are wondering how to get really good pictures for some of the entries, here's what you do: |1) Play F.E.A.R and get to your objective (locate what you want a picture of) |2) Use the print screen function (press the "PrtScn" button) |3) Edit the picture in a way you see fit. |4) Save the picture and add it to the place it belongs on the article. Hope that helps. Now, just to get a better picture of Harlan Wade...`XANA 23:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better Pictures 

message: I was under the impression Alice Wade was interrogated by Fettel for the location of Armatech's secret HQ, hence her importance to the F.E.A.R team, what do you guys think? Ryan4314 03:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd always thought that Fettel knew the location of the Vault either from the very beginning or through some other way, he didn't eat her until he was actually in the Vault itself. Delta 20:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, Alice is mutilated when Fettel is already in the Vault, not before. Xihr 20:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alice Wade interrogated? 

message: OK I recently edited her part by adding "abnormally long arms" and some guy took that out, while commenting "huh?"  But isn't it obvious that her arms are way too long?  This is especially obvious when she's sitting next to the point man in a helicopter (it's just before it was hit and crashed, I think): her hands, with her elbows bent at 90 degree, are touching her knees!  Now try that yourself and see if you can do it!  Surely I can't be the only one who's noticed this?!
: I've never noticed, and the screenshot in her bio on this page doesn't show them to be spectacularly long.  Even if they are, what does that have to do with the game?  It's irrelevant, which is why I removed it from the text. Xihr 01:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Took a look in the recently released demo for Extraction Point: Jin's arms seem a little longer than usual, but "abnormally long" seems a bit exaggerate. Berserker79 07:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jin Sun-Kwon's Arms 

message: A section detailed to Alma's apparitions had been neglected so far, apparently we all forgot about those spectres until now... As for the creatures in Extraction Point I was wondering about their nature: both of them (the spider-like and the red-eyed spectre) look to me as different forms of Alma. I mean, the spider-like being  looks like the adult, naked Alma, while the red-eyed spectre looks like a "stelath" adult Alma spectre. Are these just some speculations of mine or did someone else notice as well? Guess we shall have to wait until the end of October to find out. :) Berserker79 07:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither do I.  They're just creepy-looking things.  The phantoms are skinny and short like Alma, but that's about the only similarity.  The "spider-like entities" are just humanoid shapes with their legs severed at the knee, by the way. Xihr 23:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alma's apparitions 

message: It mentions under the title 'alma' that she was impregnated but then says that it is unknown who the father was, however further down it says under 'project origin' that alma was impregnated by genetically engineered prototypes and hence impregnated with her own DNA. I don't know much about the details of this part of the plot but it's clear that only one of these ideas can be right. - fildon
:Well, if I correctly understand your question, the whole problem arises from a misunderstanding: Alma was not impregnated by genetically engineerd prototypes, rather with genetically engineered prototypes, meaning she was impregnated to give birth to Fettel and the F.E.A.R. Point Man (who are these genetically engineered prototypes). I'll check the article text to verify it was correctly written.
:As far as I can guess, the game developers probably intended that Alma had been impregnated by means of In vitro fertilisation where all the genetic material used come from Alma herself (funny enough, technically this would mean Alma is both mother and father to the prototypes...). Hopes this may help clear the issue. Berserker79 07:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is it established that Alma is impregnated with her own DNA?  I don't recall this being positively established.  I thought all we know is that it was from a powerful psychic, and that it was confirmed not to be Harlan Wade. Xihr 19:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty much sure the in-game dialogues state they used Alma's own DNA: check reference nr. 27 on the F.E.A.R. article, that's the part of dialogue where Betters learns from an ATC laptop the whole thing. It says "the genetic profile was from a powerful psychic, a woman, who later gave birth to the prototypes"; this means the psychic was female and since we know it was Alma who gave birth to Fettel and Point Man, this means the "female psychic" and "the mother" are one and the same, Alma. Berserker79 10:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's only circumstantial evidence, however.  It's never stated directly, is it? Xihr 19:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I always considered the stuff from the ATC laptops close to concrete evidence, so ref 27 along with ref 30 and ref 31 (where they state Alma was the woman used for Origin and she was 8 years old at the time) have been enough to convince me. Are you suggesting that storywise there might be something ATC overlooked in its laptop reports? If that's the case, it is possible they didn't use her own DNA as template for Fettel and Point Man, but there's even less evidence about this, than we have for my previous interpretation. If you feel like this is just too much uncertain we can rewrite Alma's entry in terms of "possible" rather than "certain" interpretation of her impregnation and avoid the trouble. Berserker79 08:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, there's two questions:  Whose DNA was it originally before it was genetically engineered (as the notes indicate), and who carried the baby to term?  We know the answer to the latter question is without a doubt Alma.  For the former, in that first note it's not quite directly stated, but I suppose it is probably what they intended.  (The note gets slightly confused about the subject vs. the DNA reference vs. the fetus.)  It's not quite directly stated, but I suppose it's pretty close. Xihr 18:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text:  I don't think anyone can deny that Alma is the mother.  That much is certain.  But who is the father?  Since both of her children are male we know that she wasn't impregnated with her own DNA, as you can't get a Y chromosome out of two X chromosomes no matter how hard you try.  There has to have been the addition of someone else's genetic information.  I think Wade is the most likely candidate.  If psychic abilities are hereditary then inbreeding would increase the likelihood of passing on those genes, and I doubt Wade would be morally opposed to doing so. --Konlii 07:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's explicitly stated that the father is not Harlan Wade.  This is actually Betters theory based on early information on the laptops, but further information disproves that theory.  There is discussion about a "genetic reference" as the basis for the father and it is said it comes from a "powerful psychic."  It's never directly stated, but the implication is that it is based on Alma Wade herself -- as you point out, of course, this wouldn't work directly, you'd need to modify it, and hence the comments about genetic engineering.  It's never stated in such a way that it's ironclad that it's Alma's own DNA, but there's a strong enough implication that that's probably what was meant.  However, it's definitely not Harlan's. Xihr 10:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alma impregnated by... 

message: Would it be safe to say that the entire delta force personnel assigned to FEAR was killed throughout the FEAR story?  I cant recall one survivor.--LizardPariah 05:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because we can't know what other units were active.  None of the ones that the Point Man heard about survived, but he has no way of knowing there weren't others. Xihr 06:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Delta Force

message: A comment was just added by an anonymous IP to the main article about a vision of Habegger in the mission pack.  Where did this happen?  I just replayed it recently; I don't remember it.  Or was it just a replay of the vision of his mutilated face by Fettel from the first game (you flash on it at the beginning of the game just before discovering his body).  If so, I don't think it warrants mentioning again -- it's just reused stock footage, in that case. Xihr 06:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted.  Either this is referring to stock footage, or is invoking something other vision that I very seriously doubt has anything to do with Habegger at all. Xihr 03:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Habegger vision in ''Extraction Point'' 

message: Does the Holiday's death need to be so detailised in the article? Also, who killed Jankowski? In the article it says that is Alma, but in the expansion pack Fettel says "I've tasted the good Leutanant's visions". Therefore it's more likely that Fettel killed Jankowski, not Alma.
: Alma was controlling Fettel, so it's kind of a distinction without a difference. Xihr 00:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holiday's death and Jankowski 

message: In the article it says ATC was set up in 1964; it also says they bought the Origin facility in the 1950s. 82.152.98.167 23:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:FEAR Origin.jpeg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:FEAR Team.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:FEAR older Alma.jpeg

message: Since this page already contained information from the first expansion, I've added some characters that were introduced in Perseus Mandate. However, much of this was copied from the F.E.A.R. Perseus Mandate page, and there isn't a whole lot of information yet because I haven't had time to go through and listen carefully to all of the phone messages and other dialogue. Some of the characters (like Scott Rasmussen) might not be notable enough to have their own entries -- I'm not sure yet -- but I added them anyway, in case someone else has more information on them. --Wikivader (talk) 03:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As you say, Monolith does not consider them canon, characters were killed off for little reason in the packs, and numerous inconsistent or nonsensical things happen (like Norton Mapes surviving his belly wound, much less the Vault explosion, or Paxton Fettel coming back to life).  Not only are the games really just "more of the same" in terms of action (and they were fine for that), but instead of adding to the plot or character development, they really just take away from it.  I would vote excluding them. Xihr (talk) 23:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Still, what if people are interested in the FEAR EP and PM storyline? Should we create a separate article for those details? —Theodorel (talk) 23:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are already articles for the expansion packs.  Plot summaries should go there. Xihr (talk) 23:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perseus Mandate characters 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Alice Wade.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Alma FEAR.png

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Harlan-Wade.jpg

message: I believe that somewhere in FEAR 2, it referred to Alma as being 5 years old in the year 1987, but I'm not sure that's the exact year. Does anyone know for sure what that particular intel report said? AlessaGillespie (talk) 03:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. I figured it out. It said she was put into the coma in 1987, meaning her eighth birthday happened in 1987, so the games take place in 2026. I edited the Alma Wade section of the page to show info included in the Field Guide, which shipped along with all pre orders of the game. AlessaGillespie (talk) 03:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline

message: Some of the character descriptions treat the two expansions (Extraction point and Perseus Mandate) as canon. For example, this is taken from the Point Man's paragraph:
"The Point Man survives the helicopter crash that occurs after the explosion of the Origin Facility in F.E.A.R. Extraction Point, and is tasked to rendezvous with any surviving Delta Force operators at the Auburn Hospital. When he does reach his destination, the Black Hawk that comes to pick him up explodes, preventing his means of escape. He is then left stranded in the city, leaving his ultimate fate unknown. However, he will return in FEAR 3 which takes place after the events of FEAR 2 alongside with Paxton Fettel."
Since Extraction Point never occured, that's not Point Man's true fate. His story picks up from when we last saw him in FEAR 1, on the helicopter. For each paragraph there has to be some kind of separation between the events of the expansions and the events of the "true" games.--70.51.10.105 (talk) 22:38, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  It's noted in the article (or was at one point; there was an edit war over it earlier, maybe it didn't survive) that the expansion packs are considered non-canon by the developers (and now owners of the IP), so by all means remove the non-canon parts.  Xihr  05:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

text: I suspect your opinion is in the minority given the history of this article and the desire for people to disclaim the noncanonicality of the expansion packs and the reversions that have taken place over them.  Just a warning, the consensus may be against you.  Xihr  19:32, 14 June 2010(UTC)
Well, there is a message at the top that mentions the non-cannonicity of the expansions, so I guess it's alright for now. But when F.3.A.R comes out, certain contradictions (here's hoping Jin and Holiday return) will call for some major revisions of certain info. 70.55.89.227 (talk) 05:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem

message: Am I correct on this or wrong? Because two different IP addresses have made a change to the revert I did to the first IP. Creation7689 (talk) 16:29, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're correct.  The player exits the Vault through a different exit, so he doesn't seem Mapes again after he enters the Vault.  The first expansion pack features Mapes again, but as is pointed out in the article, Monolith does not consider the expansion packs canon, so it's really academic.  It's very obvious in the original game that Mapes is mortally wounded (remember, he can't even move when the player encounters him).  Whether he expired from his wounds or the Vault explosion killed him is rather academic; the intent of the writers is clear.  Xihr  00:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Norton Mapes

message: The Alma section claims Alma was voiced by someone named Simone Tussey in the first F.E.A.R. and its expansions, however, there is no reference for it. I've run a google search and the only thing I can turn up is an Alma fan fic listing her as the voice actress, again with no reference. Can anyone provide proof she voiced Alma? 166.216.162.35 (talk) 09:01, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Simone Tussey