Talk:Advanced Placement

message: Shouldn't there be a comparison with other similar programs, like International Baccalaureate - which is more widely offered internationally?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.246.134.118 (talk) 22:32, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  comparison to other similar programs

message: needs a neutral point of view as this article is almost an advertisement.
Agreed. What is a "trained Reader" what is a "chief Reader"? 
No where is it mentioned that these are, apparently, themselves teachers of AP courses! How is the conflict of interest handled for AP teachers in a school grading each other's students' exams?
As for the AP teachers, how are they rewarded for 5, 4, 3 students? How do these rewards vary by state, county (in the US), or internationally? Why has this been kept secret for so long? 
What credentials are necessary to be a "trained Reader"? How are they recruited? How is the Chief Reader recruited? 
Also, who assigns teachers to teach AP classes, College Board or the local high school principal, or the local Board of Education? 
How much are they paid, or do they donate their time for training and grading? What other rewards or incentives are operative?
In regards to the "trained reader" and "chief reader", teachers are not allowed to fill this role. According to some of the AP literature I've read, teachers are not allowed to be anywhere near the testing site. Also, as I have taken AP exams (as a student) for the past three years, I can state from personal experience that a teacher has never administered the exam. Generally, several people from the local board of education attend trainings to become certified readers.
As for who recruits the teachers to teach the AP courses, it is often the teacher who volunteers. Occasionally, the principal or board of education will request that a teacher teach the AP course—but this is rare (in my experience). They recieve no bonus for teaching the course, other than the satisfaction of students passing or the disappointment of students failing. Also, the teacher's performance dictates their chances of teaching a future AP course. Some school boards will pay for the AP training, but some don't. Jf1357 (talk) 23:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: I think that the This Is Sparta thing should be included. It's a part of the history, and many thousands of people took part in it. —Preceding unsigned 
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Agreed.  I'll add it. --98.217.61.141 (talk) 04:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: This is Sparta

message: I would like to rework this article a bit--as a high school student, I'm pretty familiar with the program and feel that the current article could use a little cleaning-up.  Good idea, bad idea?
Lemme know.
--c koski 0 2 29:20, 23 Aug 2005, EDT
:Go for it, IMO this article needs major work. The list of courses also needs to be brought up to date.
--Gpyoung talk 02:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Perhaps a rework, for a bit?

message: :Chinese Language
Chinese was recently added. --Tlaktan 05:00, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Tlaktan|Tlaktan]]

message: It is incorrect grammar to write of plural exams as "AP's".
The <apostrophe-s> construction is for indicating a noun's possession, such as "Harvard's students".
Correct usage is "APs". See the book, 'Fowler's Modern English Usage.' ISBN: 0198610211 Dogru144 14:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Except for "its" (it's = it is)  ; )   -lifeform (talk) 00:59, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: APs not AP's

message: If you take 2 AP courses in your junior year and 1 in your senior year, you will receive the award if your scores are high enough. You also will receive the reward if you take all 3 AP courses in your junior year. This is not the problem, though, that the statement was addressing. It was addressing the problem of a student who takes maybe 3 AP classes junior year and receives all 1s. Then, takes 3 more senior year and receives all 4s. Since their average is only a 2.5, they can not receive the award.
--chocolateluvr88 11:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: courses and scores

message: Recently I noticed that many pages about the individual APs were blanked and therefore nonexistent. Is there something going on here? Physicq210 00:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not that specific. --Zagsa 00:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's so definitely not specific and varies each year for each exam. It's supposed to be a bit of a bell curve, but not completely. My AP World teacher is an AP test grader and she explained it. It's quite complicated, and isn't likely to be the same from year to year, even for the same test.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.90.247 (talk) 23:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Blanking 

message: I just removed this text from the page that was inserted into the middle of the International Diploma section:
Judd Apatow
Alan Blinder- Economist
Elaine Chao - 24th U.S. Secretary of Labor
Brenda Howard
Idina Menzel- Actress
Adam Pascal- Actor
Natalie Portman-Actress
Sibel Ergener- Actress
Meg Wolitzer-Novelist
Ed Newman- NFL Player
Michael Isikoff- Newsweek journalist
George Drakoulias- Music Producer
Bryan Koniecko- Professional tennis player
Jared Binder
I didn't see any source cited and from the text it wasn't clear what these people were alumni of. Are these simply famous people that have taken AP tests? A complete list of notable people who took AP exams would probably be 1,000s of lines long and I don't think it's really that interesting for this article... —Jnk[talk] 13:27, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. -SocratesJedi | Talk 20:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Alumni? 

message: How do you guys like my AP template stub? ^o^ 20:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: AP template stub

message: There's some good information at collegeboard that really helps to update the pages.  I've updated French Language so far. --Zagsa 00:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's mostly where all I get my information from. --GoOdCoNtEnT 03:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Updating

message: Students taking Advanced Placement classes receive an extra grade point in the calculation of their grade point averages (GPA's).  A GPA is the average of all grades a student has had over a certain number of classes.  Historically, GPA's used the following numerical values:  A = 4.0, A- = 3.7, B + = 3.3, B = 3.0, and so on down to F = 0.0.  Thus, a student receiving all A's in high school, using this value system, would have a 4.0 high school GPA.
Advanced Placement classes add an extra 1.0 to each value, so that an A is worth 5.0, a B is worth 4.0, and so on.  Presumably, the reasoning behind this was to reflect the increased difficult of Advanced Placement courses as compared to regular courses.  For example, a student who could easily obtain an A (4.0) in a regular math class, might only obtain B (3.0) in a college level Advanced Placement Calculus class.  This student could be the brightest at his or her school, but could end up with a mediocre GPA because of taking numerous Advanced Placement courses.  The lower GPA could have implications for college admissions.  Thus, bright students could be deterred from attempting to take Advanced Placement courses without a GPA incentive.
The GPA incentive has altered what the highest attainable GPA is for a high school graduate.  Before GPA incentives were introduced, a 4.0 GPA was the highest attainable GPA for any high school graduate, reflecting straight A's in all high school classes.  With GPA incentives, students receiving some B's or even C's could still graduate with a GPA over 4.0 if they have taken enough classes with GPA incentives.
The GPA incentive also creates a disincentive for students to take non-Advanced Placement courses, which may have an effect as more Advanced Placement courses are offered which are elective in nature.  Due to GPA incentives, the determination of who is class valedictorian (highest GPA) or class salutorian (second highest GPA) will depend more than ever on class selection.  Students who want any realistic chance at being declared valedictorian or salutorian must take a competitive number of Advanced Placement courses.  Presumably, the net effect is that top students will display less diversity in their selection of elective courses, tending rather to cluster around those electives that offer GPA incentives.
Another impact of GPA incentives is that there is no longer any objective "highest attainable GPA" for a high school graduate.  The highest possible GPA at any particular high school now depends on exactly how many non-redundant Advanced Placement courses that high school offers (redundant Advanced Placement courses are those that, for whatever reason, cannot both be taken by the same student).  The most affluent high schools could offer over a dozen Advanced Placement courses, leading to GPA's for graduating seniors in excess of 4.5.  However, high schools with more limited resources might offer a handful or less Advanced Placement courses.  Some high schools may offer none at all.  The result is that college admissions personnel must weigh an incoming student's GPA in light of the number of Advanced Placement courses offered by that student's high school, in order to avoid having an admissions system even more biased in favor of affluent high schools.
Somewhat illusrative of the societal factors that deter the proliferation of Advanced Placement courses in poorer schools, the 1988 film Stand and Deliver, starring Edward James Olmos and based on a true story, portrays an inner city math teacher who introduces an Advanced Placement calculus class to his students.
:This isn't the case at every school.  My school does not have weighted grades, thus earning an A in an AP class is the same as earning an A in a regular class.  Our GPA can not go any higher than 4.0.  The incentive comes in when you're applying for colleges and they see that you have taken AP, honors, and college courses, yet have still retained a high GPA, whereas they will frown on those who have not tried to take AP courses. Chickenflicker---♣ 15:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with Chickenflicker. Grade calculation differs from school to school. We don't get AP grade incentives, nor do we use the 4.0 GPA scale. Bluefruitbowl 20:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grade Point Average incentive

message: A merger has been proposed to merge the article named above with this article. I think it would be beneficial as the one article by itself does not have enough content to warrant its own article.  Any suggestions? --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 13:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, we already have an article regarding AP awards: Advanced Placement Awards. You might want to merge it with that, or have the newer article speedily deleted as a duplicate. --210physicq (c) 17:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Advanced Placement Scholar Awards]] into this article 

message: The article should answer the following questions:
*Are AP courses taken during the last two years of high school or only during the final year?
*Up to how many AP courses can be taken during a semester/school year?
*What is the reputation, extent of recognition amongst universities, and academic rigour of the AP Program compared to the IB Diploma Programme, the French Baccalauréat, the Italian Maturitá, the Swiss Maturité, the German Abitur, and the British A-Levels?
-- WGee 07:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AP courses can be taken any year of high school, and you can take as many as you want.  One problem is that the exam schedule at the end of the year often schedules two exams to be taken at one time, and I'm pretty sure you can't take the exam at a different time than is scheduled. Chickenflicker---♣ 15:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More information needed 

message: Can someone clarify the statement under History, it seems we have a crimp in the time/space continuum (sp?):
Until the 2005 ... $83 per set. (The exams rose in price, one dollar from $82 in 2006.
 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Linkinpark342 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear Statement 

message: The Wikipedia article for College Board lists it as a for-profit company, but this article refers to it as non-profit.  Anyone know which is right? --Phantom784 18:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that was wrong as well. I am going to change it to say that they are for profit and when someone has a source saying that they are not for profit you can revert it. I also plan on making some changes to the article. I'm not really good with wiki code so I may ask for some help when posting sources or formating and such--Cadet hastings 15:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The college board article was just temporarily vandalized.  The college board is totally not-for-profit.   --JayHenry 17:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I know that the company that actually makes (not adminsters) the SAT is a for profit organization--Cadet hastings 13:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non Profit??? 

message: Does anyone know of a reasonable explanation why a school might charge more than $83? At mine it was $90 or $95. — Emiellaiendiay 00:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So I read the article more carefully and realized it included a reason: some schools raise the fee to cover proctor fees, it said, although uncited. — Emiellaiendiay 00:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cost

message: Is this really necessary?  Can the article just mention this and link to the actual results?  Do we really need to see them here?  Also, how are these findings "startling?"  They look utterly ordinary to me. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 20:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if the data should be given any weight at all. It was the result of a discussion board survey. A great place to talk about the AP sure, but hardly the place to gather this kind of data. Many people in that very thread questioned the accuracy. I'm going to be bold and remove them.--YbborTalk 03:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Scores Arriving By Mail

message: The list of school districts that pay for students' tests may well not deserve inclusion in the article anyway.  But as it is, it is inaccurate by omission of the list of states (five or six at the moment) that pay for their students' tests.  To rectify it I have changed "Little Rock School District" to "the State of Arkansas."  Every student in every public high school in Arkansas that takes an AP class will have the exam fee paid, and this is by the state's order (or more specifically the state supreme court).  As an infrequent Wikipedian, my recommendation is to move the list to a separate article like "List of places that enitrely subsidize the cost of an AP test."  It may not meet the bar for being encyclopedic information, but it is useful information and there are far sillier lists. 206.255.186.237 02:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A user just removed the entire list.  Inevitable, yes, but it would be nice to use something more specific/less redundant than "some". Any ideas? (see User:Tony1/How_to_satisfy_Criterion_1a) --Hebisddave 14:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cost again

message: This article should somewhere explain the purpose of AP, for those not familiar with US high schools. "College level courses" seems to indicate courses at college level, but as high school is the step before college/university in the US, it doesn't make much sense offering such courses already in high school.
Or is it possibly advanced courses that may put US high school graduates on the same level as pre-university students in Europe, and thus enable them to apply for places at European universities? Some of the text as well as some of the comments on this talk page seem to indicate that.
Whatever the purpose, it needs to be explained in the beginning of the article. Thomas Blomberg (talk) 18:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to what Thomas Blomberg just mentioned, this article neglects to mention one thing: many colleges and universities have since barred AP classes towards counting on a student's transcript as "college equivalent". In reality, students will end up with a shorter (therefore useless) or longer course load either way in college, as many private and Ivy League colleges have since ruled out AP classes. I have no idea why it is not mentioned here, nor why the CollegeBoard keeps offering it toward American teenagers. 75.4.228.168 (talk) 03:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

text: However, it is also becoming common for states to force any public university to take AP credit. For instance, it is legally required in the state of Kentucky, for any public university to grant full credit for a score of 3 or above on any AP exam. Private schools are allowed to make their own rule about it. However, most private universities (in Kentucky) grant elective credit for the exams, but require a higher score (sometimes as high as a 5 in certain subjects at one private university in my area). Jf1357 (talk) 23:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the purpose of it? 

message: this isn't exactly a proper question for the talk page, but it may be interesting info to add.  there are mentions of home-schooled students being able to take the tests, and the courses aren't required to take the tests, but can you be older or younger than high school age?  they mention that you'll put in your home high school code onto the test forms, what if you don't have one?  they've thought of this for the home-schooled and have a code for them, but what of pre-adolescents or post-grads?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.201.55.169 (talk) 00:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting question. Students who haven't taken an AP class can still take the test, so it's possible that the College Board would allow an eighth-grader to take the test. However, I don't think high-school graduates (a post-grad is someone completing a second degree in a field after getting a college degree. Different thing) would be allowed to take the test. It's specifically to get college credit before college. When you apply for college, your AP courses and test scores are listed on your transcript. Once you graduate high school, your transcript is final--unless you go back and repeat a year. Colleges only look at your transcript once: when you apply. After that, taking an AP course and/or test is pointless, because the college you're attending won't look at the score.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.90.247 (talk) 23:41, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that you can only take the exams during the high school years. The pre-administration presentations and forms require that you list your high school grade level. As far as I can remember, there are no other options that 9-12th grades. Jf1357 (talk) 23:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  must you be in high school? 

message: The sentence, 'According to the Good Schools Guide International, it is "usually much more rigorous than the general course offerings. Advanced Placement classes are graded differently than other classes offered. A 88.50% and higher is rounded to an A unlike regular classes,"' has a reference linked to here. This is supposed to be a direct quote; however, the webpage says nothing about AP courses being graded differently (believe me, they're not. I should know, I'm taking several). I'm gonna go ahead and fix it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.90.247 (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the grading systems are not as lenient as suggested by this quote. At my high school (where I have taken 5 AP exams), you must have a 91.5% or higher to earn an A. However, each category is weighted differently than in non-AP courses ('A's count for 5 points towards your GPA, etc.). However, some classes are even more stringent. My AP Spanish class (which I had to take online) counted anything less than an 80% as an 'F'. Jf1357 (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference issue. 

message: "AP tests are scored on a 1 to 6 scale as follows:[15]
7 - Perfectly qualified
6 - Extremely well qualified
5 - Well qualified
4 - Qualified
3 - Possibly qualified
2 - No recommendation
1 - NEVER will get in"
First, a 1-6 scale rarely starts with 7, unless Nigel Tufnel is involved. Second, I doubt very seriously that a score of 1 is termed "NEVER will get in."  Get in to what?  A college?  Nonsense.  Colleges choose at what score level to award any credits to incoming students, and it's usually around 4 or 5.  (I have also never heard of 6 on the scoring scale for the AP tests, but I can't back that up with a citation, just personal experience.)
Colleges decide what they want to do with AP scores, and it varies from college credit being awarded to a student, to allowing students to test out of certain entry-level classes (English 101, for example), to a "how nice for you, but you still have to take all our classes" attitude (Harvard).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayrom1 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makes no sense 

message: Because right now it states that the Hawaii Department of Education subsidizes math and science exams, but I'm in the HDE, and they don't. My school, and three others, are recipients of a NMSI grant and have half of our exams paid for through NMSI, which may be cause for confusion. HDE schools, however, are not having math and science subsidized, just a few of them through a private company.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.181.171 (talk) 01:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we get a source for the subsidizing? 

message: The sentence about Harlan Hanson interrupts the flow of the 2nd paragraph. The sentence is not elaborated upon, making it useless as well as irrelevant. 
===Reproduction of history 2nd paragraph:===
"The College Board, a non-profit organization[5] based in New York City, has run the AP program since 1955.[6] From 1965 to 1989, Harlan Hanson was the director of the Advanced Placement Program.[7] It develops and maintains guidelines for the teaching of higher level courses in various subject areas."--Trumpeteerx (talk) 06:29, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrelated "island" sentence in 2nd paragraph of history 

message: "The College Board, a non-profit organization[5] based in New York City, has run the AP program since 1955.[6] From 1965 to 1989, Harlan Hanson was the director of the Advanced Placement Program.[7] It develops and maintains guidelines for the teaching of higher level courses in various subject areas."--Trumpeteerx (talk) 06:29, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Reproduction of history 2nd paragraph:

message: This article refers only to the United States program, even though it is certainly not only American. Can we get some information on the Canadian program please? FrigidNinja (talk) 20:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Global View

message: As far as I know, College Board should not have "the" before its name. For example, you do not call the car company "The Toyota," you call it "Toyota." Shouldn't "the" be removed from most or all instances of College Board on this page? Piguy101 (talk) 01:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Easiest place to check is on the organization's own "About Us" webpage: https://www.collegeboard.org/about . Other than the organization's logo, they seem to consistently use "The College Board"; in the absence of a reason not to, I'd just as soon mimic their style. --Hebisddave (talk) 15:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, you're right. Piguy101 (talk) 20:18, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

text: I changed this. "The College Board" is logically incorrect, and a nuisance. If College Board staff act pretentiously, why should we play along?  -lifeform (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  College Board vs. The College Board 

message: Criticism should include these are college courses for which the community is billed by their high school taxes.  The whole premise of offering advanced placement classes at local high schools.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.109.97 (talk) 15:00, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost shifting 

message: Is there any good reason for separating CLEP subject tests and AP exams?  AP includes some more advanced subjects than CLEP, which seems restricting to those eligible for CLEP. Can anyone eligible for CLEP take AP exams?  --lifeform (talk) 01:33, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you asking this in terms of editing the article, or just a general query? Because this might not be the best place to ask about the actual details of AP programs.Wikignometry (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: CLEP and AP

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message: Hey all, I have noticed that the grade distribution charts are not the same on different test pages. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_Calculus and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_English_Language_and_Composition , the different pages have different chart styles. Some are left aligned text, some are center. We need to decide how the charts are going to look and then standerdize them
Jakevossen5 (talk) 21:53, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If somebody wants to standardize them, another thing to fix is that they should be called "score distributions", rather than "grade distributions". This terminology is used by CollegeBoard to distinguish AP exam scores from grades in AP classes and this wording is reflected on their website. Tessaamble (talk) 06:46, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grade distribution among different articles 

message: I think the criticism section on this article is relatively small and it would be worth it to add an article about equity and Advanced Placement tests, because there is a lot of literature about inequity perpetuated by these tests. An example of a source that would contribute to this page is the article "Advanced Placement Exams, Incentive Programs, and Cost Effectiveness: A Lack of Equity and Excellence for Black Students in Texas, New York, and Florida” from The Journal of Negro Education by Carolyn A. McBride Davis.
I'd be happy to hear any input on this proposal.
--Hoopsf (talk) 18:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Child Article 

message: The information in the article Advanced Placement Exams seems to exist almost entirely within this article. Should that page be merged into this page?
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replies: text: I agree. The content seems very similar to each other. Wikignometry (talk) 00:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 

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message: I just started an article on John M. Kemper, whose NY Times obituary was 51 years ago today.  Was fascinated to learn that he, as headmaster of Andover, is the person who pushed Exeter and Lawrenceville to join with Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, to set up the AP program.  May be worth working a mention of him into the history section? Milowent • hasspoken 22:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  John M. Kemper 

message: When did CB add this? Is it new? 50.4.132.185 (talk) 03:14, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  AP African American Studies?  

message: This article is missing AP seminar and AP research in the courses section, even though they are both AP courses that CB offers 2601:88:8001:D8D0:50E3:B86A:2A1:BF58 (talk) 03:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seminar and Research?