Talk:The Four Seasons (band)

message: Is there any particular reason why "The Night" (an amazing record!) has not been included amongst the singles?? Also, what about "You're Ready Now" and "I'm Gonna Change"?
RegardsCaff68 16:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This list article is turning out to be huge - I'd urge a separate List of U.K. singles by Frankie Valli and The Four Seasons, which I'd anticipate to be much shorter. As it is, I'm having difficulty verifying the release years of CD singles... or, for that matter, what was released as a Four Seasons or Valli single after 1986. Any help on this will be greatly appreciated. B.Wind 20:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons - discography 

message: This is a very poorly written article and I am going to start my major revision —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.40.132.53 (talk • contribs) 
*I'm also doing quite a bit of updating as well, not the least being elimination of duplication and straightening out the history and discography.B.Wind 22:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Im revising this whole article 

message: I've noticed that someone has added a bunch of new "former members" en masse to the article without attribution. If no sources are provided for these new entries, they will be removed per WP:V and WP:RS. B.Wind 03:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only reference to Gerry Polci I can find is a brief mention of his vocals in this article and the one for December 1963, and a reference to his work as a band teacher at a middle school in New Providence, NJ. 131.96.47.8 (talk) 20:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musicians added to "Former Members" list 

message: When Billy Joel's 'Uptown Girl' was released, there seemed to be consensus that it was derivative and a tribute to the style of The Four Seasons; the article for the song even mentions it.Grandma Roses 11:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this reference be included? 

message: Hi
On ALL of the album covers the name of the group is shown as "The 4 Seasons".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.90.211 (talk) 23:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numeric 4 

message: 1.  The reference to an Itaian-American sound.  What is this?  The Seasons never recorded anything I would chalk up to as a representation of an Italian-American sound.  They were a popular vocal/instrumental group that sang pop, rock and R&B material as far back as, at least, The Four Lovers (back then they recorded Otis Blackwell material).  Even Sinatra doesn't sing something you could refer to as the Italian-American sound.  Even "My Mother's Eyes", recorded by Frankie in 1953, is not an Italian song.
I don't think there's any problem stating their heritage, but I don't think it's a sound as referred to here.
2.  I would never consider Frankie or The Seasons, as a whole, as purveyors of something called "brown-eyed soul".  There's not one song they recorded I would consider of the soul music variety.  Yes, they were certainly influenced by Motown - it's never more evident than in the recording "Opus 17", but Motown was the pop side of soul music.  I'm not even sure what "brown-eyed soul" is; I note here that The Righteous Brothers were referred to as "blue-eyed soul".
Regarding my comment that I didn't know what "brown-eyed soul" is, I now know (thanks to Wikipedia).  It is a reference to the latino/hispanic heritage and popular music.
Bbrownlie (talk) 23:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Four Seasons - some thoughts on correcting this page 

message: There are an awful lot of redlinks in the "albums" section. It's hard to believe they will all become articles in the foreseeable future. Would it not be more sensible, and aesthetically more pleasing, to de-link them?  86.41.34.69 (talk) 12:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redlinks 

message: Why would anyone assume or believe that part of the title of the album package '...Jersery Beat...' was derived from the phrase "Mersey Beat".  That seems like such a stretch.  The word "Beat" could just be a reference to rock (or "Beat") music in general.  Bbrownlie (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of title 'Jersey Beat' 

message: The article says, "In fact, The Four Seasons are the only act to have a Hot 100 #1 hit before, during, and after the years that the Beatles had their Hot 100 #1 hits." Wouldn't the Beach Boys also have had top 100 hits before (Surfin' Safari), during (Fun, Fun, Fun), and after (Sail On Sailor, Kokomo)the Beatles' run? 72.174.61.82 (talk) 16:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to The Beach Boys discography, their first of 4 Hot 100 #1 singles was "I Get Around" in May 1964, which was after the Beatles' first #1 hit.  (The others were "Help Me, Rhonda", "Good Vibrations" and "Kokomo".)  So the Beach Boys did not accomplish it. - AyaK (talk) 23:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only act? 

message: Why is everybody jumping on the bandwagon to revert my edits and call it vandalism? Maybe I shouldn't have removed one of those categories, but the rest I removed is uncited, speculative, and/or dubious. What seems to be the problem? 69.123.125.243 (talk) 23:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: They are definitely from New Jersey, but are they from Belleville or Newark or some combination?  Focusing on the major players, Tommy DeVito was from Belleville (he is considered by many to be the leader of the group - yes, it's true), Nick Massi and Frankie Valli were from Newark, Bob Gaudio was from New York City (Bronx), Joe Long was from Elizabeth, Bob Crewe was from Belleville, and Charles Calello was from Newark.  Personally, I'm as confused as anyone who is bothered by going with Belleville or Newark.  It might be appropiate to just go with New Jersey.Bbrownlie (talk) 16:16, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where are The 4 Seasons from? 

message: Am I the only one who thinks the "Past Members" section in the info box is unnecessarily long? I don't know of any of other Wiki pages of bands lists former members in this format. Considering the "Studio Musicians" section only lists 16 people and the Past Members info box has 38 people, there is no explanation as to whether the other 22 people are simply touring members or what other than a few in-line comments here and there. I'd simply make this change, by I know nothing about the evolution of the group besides adding in a section called "Other past members" and doing a cut and paste. Other suggestions? Ckruschke (talk) 18:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You've got some of your dates wrong, Bbrownlie. 1960 is the more appropriate starting point, as that is when the band was formed, not 1962. And Tommy DeVito retired from The Four Seasons in (or around) April 1970, before Half & Half was released, and that was also in 1970, not 1971. And Gaudio retired from touring with the band the following year, which was 1971, not 1972. The sources you're getting the contrary from I'm aware of, but they're incorrect. It's impossible that DeVito was with the Seasons by the time Half & Half (1970) was released, because according to the liner notes of the 25th Anniversary Collection, he was already gone by that time. Classicalfan626 (talk) 17:46, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past Members 

message: I believe that all album titles should reflect, as best as one is able to key, the exact titles with all of their upper/lower case and punctuation adhered to. It makes me angry that anyone who is changing all the work I put in to keying any titles (I did The 4 [or Four] Seasons quite a while ago till someone thought I was too exact, I guess) as they are on the album covers thinks it's some standard or it's so much better to abbreviate and capitalize everything. What a ridiculous standard if it is one and what does it say about maintaining history in an encyclopedic format if it's all about dumbing down and simplifying everything down to some lowest common denominator. This is what some of the album covers actually say:
Sherry & 11 Others -  The 4 Seasons
Big Girls Don't Cry and Twelve others... -  The 4 Seasons
Dawn (Go Away) And 11 Other Great Songs -  The 4 Seasons
Rag Doll Featuring Rag Doll and Ronnie and 10 Other Brand New Hit Songs -  The 4 Seasons
entertain you -  The 4 Seasons
Working My Way Back To You And More Great New Hits -  The 4 Seasons
The 4 Seasons sing Ain't That A Shame and 11 others -  The 4 Seasons
All New Recorded Live∗On Stage With The Four Seasons -  The Four Seasons
Born To Wander Tender and soulful ballads [folk-flavored] -  The 4 Seasons
Half & Half -  The 4 Seasons  Frankie Valli
The 4 Seasons Present frankie valli solo -  Frankie Valli
Yeah, I'm probably being too persnickety but I'd rather have a go-to source be as accurate as possible even if it hurts the brains of some who want everything so standard it becomes sterile and void of value bordering on worthless. Apologies to anyone who's offended.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbrownlie (talk • contribs) 21:53, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Album Titles

message: No mention of Joe Pesci bringing them together.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:02, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joe Pesci? 

message: The Chuck Wilson of the Four Seasons was a drummer. He is not the musician of the same name who played jazz saxophone. I have switched him to be a drummer on the timeline, although I'm not sure how long he played for the Four Seasons or when he started. I do know that he was on the 1992 DVD performance of all their greatest hits, so I stuck him in the free space between Zoro and Polci for now. --EoLtalk 03:20, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to Chuck Wilson in Timeline 

message: Surely the main photo should be the classic 1960s lineup, not Frankie Valli and a bunch of randoms in 2012.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skylarkingnz (talk • contribs) 08:58, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main photo 

message: I propose to merge John Paiva (musician) into this article. His article cites no reliable sources and I can't find any significant coverage to establish his notability. His only real claim to fame appears to be his membership of the Four Seasons and of The Happenings. The latter article, however, doesn't mention him and that band isn't quite as well known as the Four Seasons, so I think this article is a good target. What I essentially propose is simply turning John Paiva (musician) into a redirect to The Four Seasons (band)#Band members, as there's no sourced content to merge. Lennart97 (talk) 20:49, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Lennart97 (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Hello all, I've tried to pitch in here whenever possible to update/verify the many members of the Four Seasons over the years.  I noticed that some people have moved certain members to "touring only" and that there appear to have been various editing ideas regarding Bob Gaudio's membership in the band post-1971.  I was thinking that this could be a place for us to discuss these "controversial" topics.  Since the band didn't release many albums after 1975, I feel that everyone listed a "touring" member should be considered an actual (full, but not as in partnership/corporate ownership-level) member of the band, unless some served as substitutes?  Also, regarding Bob Gaudio, shouldn't we list him through 1992 (the last/most recent Four Seasons album) but clarify that he stopped touring in 1971 (technically, he still owns 50% of the band too, so it could be something like "1960-present (not touring since 1971; not recording since 1992)" or "1960-1992 (not touring since 1971; still retains ownership share in the band, 1992-present)", etc.  I'd love to hear others' thoughts about these ideas.  Thanks!! EPBeatles (talk) 04:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The Beach Boys article seems to do that for Brian Wilson and Al Jardine as they own parts of their band, so I think we should do that here too for Gaudio. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 20:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Band Members section as of 2024