Category talk:Kurdistan/Archive 1

message: FYI, this new category, :Category:Kurdish inhabited regions, is currently nominated for deletion - see Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_27#Category:Kurdish_inhabited_regions. Bertilvidet 14:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Kurdish inhabited regions]] 

message: In my view, articles about Kurdish inhabited regions of Middle East (cities, towns, provinces), with a Kurdish majority, can be tagged under this category, since that's the definition of the term Kurdistan. This applies to Turkey/Iran/Iraq/Syria.Heja Helweda 00:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to add something like "traditionally inhabited". Due to the large amount of internal migration and displacements in the Middle East there are several places outside Kurdistan that now have a Kurdish majority (villages around Konya, Tarlabasi district of Istanbul - and probably many similar examples in Syria and Iran). Bertilvidet 08:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldnt. Tradition is pov. Who defines which region is traditionaly kurdish? And who is to say which place has a kurdish majority? --Cool CatTalk|@ 07:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of academic research do exist on that. Lets base our articles on these, rather than uncritically believing either the involved states or pro-Kurdish sources. Bertilvidet 07:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Areas that belong to the category Kurdistan 

message: ::::Yes and that is one of the reasons why its existance is problematic. You do not just create a contraversial category and use it to draw borders.
::::Regarding your examples: 
::::*Tibet and Taiwan are both with defined borders. Kurdistan is not.
::::*Taiwan is a highly contraversial 'nickname' of the Republic of China. 
::::**Republic of China issue is a matter of international dispute and was a recognised sovern state at a point by the United Nations (infact was one of the founders) and stayed that way for tens of years. See  for details. 
::::**We do not however tag Beijing under :Category:Taiwan or :Category:Republic of China just because Republic of China claims all of Mainland China.
::::**This is a poor example to be placed in contrast with Kurdistan. 
::::***Kurdistan never had a seat in the United Nations nor founded it
::::***Kurdistan never had any international recognition to this date establishing some sort of borders.
::::***Nor is there a political entitiy making claims behalf of Kurdish people unlike the Republic of China. Also to note even if sucha  thing existed it wouldn't matter. Same case as Republic of China.
::::*Tibet was a former country, it was an actual country that lasted centuries. 
::::**The disputed territories are clearly marked on the map as belonging to who and claimed by who (china /india etc). Note that Tibet is being claimed by many nations, the claims on occasions overlap (China and India claim the same green areas for example also the goverment of Taiwan (Republic of China) also claim the place). 
::::**Tibet is a historic article. We do not tag chinese provices with :Category:Tibet.
::::**This is a poor example to be placed in contrast with Kurdistan. 
::::***Kurdistan is not a historic country that lasted for centuries that was taken over. 
::::I thought you said kurdistan was just a geographic region yet you are trying to put it in the same category as former/de-facto nations and while treating it no diferent as actual nations. --Cool CatTalk|@ 15:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh and by the way, I am not attacking. I am on the defensive. Trust me on this. --Cool CatTalk|@ 16:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Response

message: The fact is that Kurdish people make the majority in this cities and provinces, then if someone dosen´t want this to appear or being showed here at Wikipedia or somewhere welse, that´s a another story.
SO I see no wrong to link this cities to Category:kurdish cities, with the text, cities in Iraq, Turkey, Iran and Syria where kurds form the majority of the population.
--Otro DiA OtrO DiA 11:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refer to the ongoing discussion at Talk:Batman, Turkey. -- Francs2000  21:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Majority