Talk:Melody (Japanese singer)

message: Does anyone have a reliable source for melody. being vegan? Thanks! --217.51.193.3 03:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody...? --217.51.198.198 00:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where does it say that she's a vegan? I can't find it being mentioned in the Biography section. --Mondorescue (talk) 02:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vegan?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Simple as that over the rainbow 02.JPG

message: The infobox says that Melody's birth name is Miyuki Melody Ishikawa. Isn't Ishikawa her husband's surname that she took when they got married? Can this be called a "birth name"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.146.13.162 (talk) 09:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. A taken name is definitely not a birth name, I'll change that now. Eugeniu Bmsg 00:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The names appear to be similar. Miyavi's name is "Ishihara". Ishikawa may well be melody.'s actual maiden name, though I can't find a source to confirm this. I'm keeping her real name as "Ishikawa" on the Dutch version of this page.CarelessTantrum (talk) 09:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth name?

message: I‘d like to re-add “Melody Miyuki Ishikawa” as the subject’s birth name and source it to Lucy Who, which appears to be RS, or is at least professionally edited. Korea.com, IMBD, and Generasia give the name this way as well. These are places where people who would know this type of information are active, yet no where is it suggested that her real name is secret, controversial, or otherwise dubious. Numerous Japanese sites give the Japanese version of this name (石川 美由紀 メロディ), for example here. The Viking at Stamford Bridge (talk) 07:27, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe that any of those sources can be considered reliable sources. IMDB and Generasia are both user-edited websites, much like Wikipedia, and LucyWho and Korea.com seem dubious at best, as does the "Disc-o-graphy" page. It may be an open secret that that is her full name but there are no reliable sources out there that say "melody., real name Miyuki Ishikawa..." in English or Japanese. The only thing there is online is an unnecessary flooding of search results based on a 3 year old decision on Wikipedia and the fact that everybody and their mother knows this is her name, but we cannot verify it, much like with Rebecca Eri Rabone, Yui Yoshioka, Misaki Ito, and dozens of others. It might be prevalent in web communities, but there is no official statement from the subject herself that "Yes, this is my name".—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:44, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is no question that it is in fact her name, what's the problem? The sourcing rules are for controversial material. And if you don't want web results based on Wikipedia, just add "-wikipedia" to the search. The Viking at Stamford Bridge (talk) 09:44, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a question because I cannot find it anywhere other than in the fansites and unofficial websites and the like. That's what makes it controversial. Just because it's apparently widely known does not mean we can verify it at all. We have a billion people saying Becky's full name is Rebecca Eri RayVaughan, when sources say otherwise, because they're so set on what someone said once on a Japanese website and their bad translation thereof, but we cannot prove that this is her name because she has not said it is her name. All we know about the subject of this article is that her name is now "Melody Ishihara" and there has been no proof that it was ever "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa".—Ryulong (琉竜) 09:58, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

text: It might be worth asking her on Facebook or Twitter (the official ones, not the fan created ones).  In the Metropolis interview, Christine says she is single, so some fans have added Saimo to Melody's name. I also have to question whether she has three siblings as she only really mentions Christine in just about everything. -AngusWOOF (talk) 16:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You cannot go and ask the subject something about themselves and then use their response as a source.—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:24, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, you can, but they have to respond in a way that makes it official, like updating their pages. WP:SELFSOURCE -AngusWOOF (talk) 16:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like a bit much.—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

text:  Okay, I confirmed the three sisters and names with their tweet threads and moved it to the Personal life section. -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth name

message: It has already been established with individuals such as bell hooks and will.i.am that as a single person's name, even though it may be trademarked, the use of  is entirely allowed. Why was this removed from the article following the move request? All it proved was that the community would absolutely not allow "Melody." to be the title of the page. There is no reason Mrs. Ishihara should be treated as differently and also be made an exception as these other individuals.—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:24, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wikipedia style guide (e.g., MOS:TM and WP:AT) says to capitalize the first letter, even when the originator (in this case, the singer) does not. Exceptions are only made when lots of highly reputable reliable sources that are independent of the "trademark" owner use the stylized alternative and very few or none use the ordinary English capitalization convention. This article does not have a lot of referenced sources to show what reliable sources would use, so the ordinary Wikipedia style guideline is applied. This has been said before. —BarrelProof (talk) 06:24, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So it's essentially because she's a Japanese performer and has never been mentioned by English language mainstream media? To be honest that's bullshit.—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:32, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

text: And this is covered by Wikipedia:MOSCAPS#Items that require initial lower case:Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Wikipedia articles may use lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, k.d. lang). So is the excuse now "melody" is not a form that has "regular and established use in reliable third-party sources"?—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:40, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no lower casing?