Talk:Passai

message: Much of this article seems off. Those minor complaints aside, this article contains original reasearch. The reference got deleted during one of my edits  (which I've restored). At the very bottom personal communication is cited as a source. I don't have the materials to go through the article thoroughly, and last I checked my local library was downright skeletal about martial arts. A little help with this? - JustSomeKid 13:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

message: Passai and Bassai kata series are almost identical - the only difference being their names (Okinawan vs Japanese).  As such, these kata belong in the same article.  The article should then mention why there are different names, and the minor variations in the kata between various styles.  This would make a better article.  As is written now, these kata series seem like totally separate entities.  Also, it seems as though Basai was created separately from Bassai sho and Bassai dai without the authors being aware of the other article.  --Scott Alter 07:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a fan at how the Bassai entries make it sound like only shotokan style uses them. Tkjazzer 22:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: agree. There are many kata in Bassai/Passai family (Bassai-dai (拔塞大), Bassai-sho (拔塞小), Tomari-no-Bassai (即泊の拔塞), Matsumura-no-Bassai (松茂良拔塞), Ishimine no Bassai (石嶺の拔塞), Oyadomari no Bassai (親泊の拔塞) - and these are just the ones taught in Shito-ryu). It would certainly benefit all to have a central article. --Cubbi 20:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: also check out the French wikipedia article on the Bassai kata family http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassai --Cubbi 14:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I would have to disagree with merging these to some extent.  If it is done, then care should be taken to describe the various versions (even if only in name).  I studied Tang Soo Do (a Korean style) for over six years and achieved Sho Dan (1st Degree Black Belt).  Bassai is also a Hyung (form) in that style, which is not mentioned in this article.  I will perform more research so that I have specifics, and will then update this page or a combined page.  It sounds like Tkjazzer may have some more input as well — I hope you elaborate at some point.  Just for credentials should anyone doubt my knowledge on this, I studied under Grandmaster Chong Su Kim, Founder of Kim's Karate and Founder/President of the Pan-Am Tang Soo Do Federation. T geier 02:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By merging the articles, I will keep references to the differing names in different styles.  Merging them would actually give a better history of the kata, as you could see a timeline of when and who made modifications of the kata.  For ones that have already been merged, see Pinan and Kusanku (kata).  Also, I think I will make some sort of infobox for a kata like what is on Naihanchi (but nicer and standardized).  From Tkjazzer's comment, I think he is for the merge too. --Scott Alter 14:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge it. Yes care should be taken to describe the versions but there has to be one reference point for all of the information on Bassai / Passai related kata that can be gathered. A kata infobox would be AWESOME. User5802 05:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Basai]], [[Bassai sho]], and [[Bassai dai]] 

message: Should we make a colored box that encourages no modification?  I do not know what it is called.  Also, I like the merge. Tkjazzer 01:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  how do you make that colored merge box that encourages no modification? 

message: I have seen a template somewhere that says something along the line of: "check out this international article for ideas on improvement."  I don't remember where I saw that but I think that template might be useful for this article since the french article links videos, etc.  Also, we should have that template saved somewhere on the WP:WPMA. Tkjazzer 01:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template for International article  

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation/Bassai Tkjazzer 06:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you try to modify the link to the English article on the translation page, it takes away all of the comments. Please do not modify the linked page unless you are translating it and are updating the status or commenting. Tkjazzer 06:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  translation request placed from FR to EN