Talk:Aurochs

message: Ancient cave dwellings show rock paintings and carvings of magical strength connected with the aurochs.   
I happen to agree with this. However, I can't figure out how we "paint or carve magical strength". We need to rephrase this and put it back. Thanks.
:It sounds like a right load of old Aurochs to me too. I will see whether we can't paint or carve this magically into shape... sjc
In these and many other early art-works, the aurochs are attributed with possessing magical qualities.
How the heck are we supposed to infer this from cave paintings?
Maybe the artists meant to attribute the aurochs with being very organized, or attractively shaped, or well worth the effort of barbecuing.
They are certainly not worth barbecuing: they have been in the freezer far too long. Frankly, my take is this: they are painted ergo they are worthy of representation. If they are merely attributed (etc), this covers most of the bases since we don't need to get into long and tedious discussions about the role of the palaeolithic hunter/magician nor the converse view that the paintings were nothing to do with magic whatsoever but were in fact the palaeolithic equivalent of car mags, depicting things that men like looking at in their spare time. sjc
:Well, long, but not everyone would find them "tedious", though I don't mean to have the conversation here. It's just that people can be pretty blithe about saying what art from other cultures means, with paleolithic art a great example of this. Have a good on:Does my edit of this cave paintings passage satisfy the reasonable objections? Wetman 05:42, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Cave Paintings

message: Alan -- All of the websites I checked pretty uniformly said the Aurochs looked like the Lascaux cave paintings.  The modern re-creation also looks like that.  I think the picture from the 1911 source might be wrong -- it looks more like pictures of the Wisent to me.  Would it be ok to remove it? JHK
:Yes, the picture I found is not Bos primigenius, it is Bison bonasus.
::Unfortunately, Webster's 1911 referred to Bison bonasus as the aurochs. It looks like the more up-to-date usage is that aurochs is Bos primigenius, and wisent is Bison bonasus. Does that sound right? --Alan Millar
:::That's what I found...JHK
That picture looks more like a bison than the beasties that are in the cave paintings and in the Minoan bull-vaulting paintings -- are you sure it's an aurochs? -- Marj Tiefert 13:35 Jul 31, 2002 (PDT)
:Yep, that picture is a bison. Fred Bauder
::Correct. The illustration from Webster we've been showing here at Aurochs is an American, not even "Lithianian", bison. I'm sitting with Simon Schama, Landscape and Memory under my elbow, the part about the royal bison of Bialowieza, and a painting by Roeland Savary illustrating it.Wetman 14:58, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The Bison Image Again

message: According to: Boev, Z., 2021. Last Aurochs (Bos primigenius Bojanus, 1827) have survived in Bulgaria. — Lynx (Prague), 52: 139—142, the information that the aurox was extinct by 1627 might be incorrect. 31.182.220.91 (talk) 21:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the paper: While interesting, that's sure one scrappy horn-core. Would probably help to get some DNA analysis of it, seems a bit flimsy that it couldn't be from some cattle type (yes, they rule out a local breed based on morphology, but you never know what could have been brought there). FunkMonk (talk) 22:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extincion year