Talk:Helmet (band)

message: Everything in the discography is a full-length album except "Born Annoying."  Since there were several singles and an EP released with that title, it belongs in a (currently nonexistent) singles/EPs section of the discog, not in with the LPs. El Mariachi 02:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the albums in the discography should be listed in chronological order (ie. starting with the oldest and ending with the most recent, and not the reverse). --IronChris 17:05, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Born Annoying/Discography

message: The general impression I've gotten from reading/hearing interviews with John Stanier is that he really, really doesn't like talking about Helmet's breakup or anything concerning Page Hamilton since that time (if you can't say anything nice, ... ).  I've never seen any interview of any sort with Bogdan, so it's hard to know what he thinks.  Hamilton, on the other hand, has been pretty open about his perspective of how the shit has gone down.  What I've gleamed from Hamilton is that Bogdan has absolutely no musical interest in doing anything Helmet-related ever again.  Whether he has any personal issues with Hamilton or if he approves of Helmet existing in his absence, I don't know.  Stanier obviously does have personal issues with Hamilton.  Page claims John has totally snubbed him.  So it seems that the "truth" is probably somewhere in the middle—if Stanier had any interest in knowing what was going on with Helmet reforming, it wouldn't have been difficult for him to find out. I don't think he gives much of a damn what Page does, so while it might be true that Helmet was reformed without his knowledge or "permission", it seems kind of irrelevant and misleading. With that in mind, I'm going to delete that parenthetical statement from the article and change the wording such that it's a little more clear that, rather than a clear offer and refusal to reform, the members simply didn't communicate out of spite. Which pretty much ruled out any chance for a reformation with the original members, anyway.—Lazytiger 19:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  According to Stanier himself... 

message: Could whoever added the sales figures for Betty and Aftertaste please cite their source(s)?  Thanks.—Lazytiger 14:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album sales figures 

message: I've heard Helmet listed as everything from nu-metal, to groove metal, to funk metal, to pop-punk. I personally find the idea that they could be categorized as metal slightly laughable, since what I have heard from them generally doesn't include any sort of technicallity. I personally would class them as pop-punk, even though they generally have dirty heavier songs, because their style is remeniscent of sum 41 and some of their songs do sound an awful lot like a nice pop-punk tune. Also, from what I've heard there is a lot of power chord usage going on here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.191.85.153 (talk) 16:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not enough talk about genre listing 

message: Thank you for your contributions, Chris77xyz. I don't mean to be adversarial, but Born Annoying has been added and removed previously from the list. As explained below the list, Helmet has many oddity releases, most of which are out-of-print (including Born Annoying), and none of which really deserve more attention than the others. So, it's all or nothing as far as oddities go. Trying to create a comprehensive list of these releases in the Wikipedia article is redundant since more than one fan website already has such lists. They are mentioned in the links section. The fact that Born Annoying has an article I think warrants its mention, but it still shouldn't be in the list of "real" still available releases.—Lazytiger 23:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born Annoying in the discography 

message: I'm really not sure that a list of live recordings is appropriate on Wikipedia.  Unless anyone can provide a reason why they should be here I'll remove them in the following days. hellboy (talk) 05:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. It is a level of information that—beyond being hard to verify—simply isn't warranted here.—Lazytiger (Talk | contribs) 13:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Henrikbauer, I appreciate your enthusiasm and effort in compiling your list of live Helmet recordings. You should understand, however, that Wikipedia is not a good place for this esoteric level of information. This would be great material to include on a personally-run Helmet fan site. In fact, I encourage you to do that. I have a feeling your contributions here will continue to be removed.—Lazytiger (Talk | contribs) 17:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks for your kinds word hellboy (talk) 12:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I understand that it is desirable to place information on Wikipedia since it's much higher profile than a personally-run fan site. But Wikipedia is not, cannot, should not be all things to all people.  Some things, no matter how dear to oneself, simply don't make the cut.  However, at least one of your concerns can be easily solved—if you want other people to be able to contribute information, simply use the MediaWiki software on your fan site. Buy yourself a domain such as helmetwiki.org and you'll be well on your way to creating "the most extensive place for helmet info." If the information therein is worthy of attention, it will become a resource that is sought and found. We are obviously at odds about what constitutes "poisoning" Wikipedia. I believe you're poisoning it by contributing excessive content that doesn't help general understanding of the topic at hand.—Lazytiger (Talk | contribs) 04:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Please take a good read a What Wikipedia is not before making judgements about what you feel should and shouldn't be on this site.  Despite what you may think should be included in this site, if it goes against Wikipedia policy, then you're fighting a losing battle.  There are clear guidelines as to what should be included on this website, and so far you have shown nothing but disrespect for these, in fact I question if you've even bothered to read them at all.  hellboy (talk) 06:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live Recordings 

message: Why does this article call Helmet a American Rock Band when they are Alternative Metal? Some of the articles about their albums on this very website even say they are Alternative Metal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.80.32 (talk) 22:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helmet as Alternative Metal 

message: Well, if it seems to the ears of many, Helmet is metal, why is it called simply a rock band?  To my ears is  just Metal with diverse influences if you like, not only  plain hard rock.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.67.247.12 (talk) 18:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helmet as Groove Metal 

message: Is post-metal really needed? Hardly any of Helmet's stuff is post-metal, and the source is iffy. And groove metal is also pretty unnecessary since only a few of Helmet's songs (Last Breath, Ironhead etc.) are thrashy. I'm proposing the genres be trimmed down to only alternative metal and post-hardcore. if there are any objections then take it to this page.
: The source only mentions Groove metal and Alternative rock. So technically those are the only 2 that are meant to be included, unless someone finds additional sources the others need to be removed. Robvanvee 07:55, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

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