Talk:Harmonium

message: Please excuse my english,I'm from a french speaking part of Canada...
About the word "Harmonium"
I was well pleased by your website and kept it on my desk kor further visits,yout site is very helpful.I presume your are includind North America in your marketing aims and if we're talking North american market,you might want to consider the french market of that area of the world.And this where  the word "Harmonium" comes in as the name of the top 3 groups(my estimate) who's had the most important influence on North american french music.Iwas disapointed at first but I'm sure you can explain to me the point I must be missing to understand your point of view.
Thanks in advance for taking the time
Jean-Marc Williams
Québec,Canada
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.80.185.124 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the musical instrument called a harmonium.  It does link to a disambiguation page that lists several other topics by the same name, including some on musical groups called Harmonium.  Your comment suggests that you do not understand the nature of this web site.  It is a free, non-profit encyclopedia, and has no marketing aims. --Dfeuer 22:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Harmonium'' - the Quebec musical group

message: Should we split off the list of pieces using the harmonium? --Dfeuer 17:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repertoire getting a bit long 

message: I think the article is fantastic - very descriptive.
A link to an audio file (mp3, midi, ogg, etc.) featuring the Harmonium seems relevant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.189.34.154 (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does it sound like? 

message: I'm sorry but this section has got to go. After someone (not me) added the advertisement tag it looks like someone has actually added even more irrelevant material about Indian performers and their status as geniuses. It's utterly unencyclopaedic, its sole purpose seems to be to name as many of the editor's favourite artists as possible, it does not cite any sources and the style and tone of the text are ridiculous and it's becoming longer than the main text about the harmonium. I will remove anything not to do with the samvadini itself. Nothingbutmeat (talk) 13:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samvadini section getting out of hand 

message: I think that the part about the Indian harmonium should be factored out into a separate article, and that the rest of the article should be merged with reed organ and pump organ.  Comments/suggestions? I'm [dʒæˑkɫɜmbɚ] and I approve this message. 00:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree.  Most of this article, including the history and repetoire sections, is in reference to pump organs, not the small Indian box like harmonium which sits in front of you while seated.  It should be moved to that article and this article should be about the small Indian instrument.Cosprings (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge / Split 

message: Despite the "Lists of miscellaneous information should be avoided. Please relocate any relevant information into appropriate sections or articles" notice, this section remains a list of miscellaneous information, and the list keeps growing.
There is no reasonable way to rewrite the section in prose form, and retain all the information.
And I'm not sure how or why it is useful to enumerate every single instance of the use of the harmonium in popular music that anyone can come up with.
Maybe the best solution is to rewrite this as a short paragraph of examples of the use of the harmonium in popular music, retaining just four or five really notable examples (e.g., The Beatles)? --Sarabseth (talk) 18:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drastically reducing the "Popular" section 

message: People keep adding (and subtracting) names.  Perhaps the list should be much shorter, and only include those for whom some proof of notability can be adduced? --Sarabseth (talk) 22:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  If the players don't have their own Wikipedia article then they probably shouldn't be here: the Wikipedia:Notability principle.  Let's prune it.  And what does this 'Pt.' thing mean?  Is it some sort of title (like Dr, Prof, Hon)?  Wikipedia tends to avoid such titles; let's prune those also. Feline Hymnic (talk) 23:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Turns out per WP:INDIA Talk that "Pt." stands for Pandit.  Removing that honorific and linking all names.  Turns out about all of them are redlinks, should be removed after a brief period to let folks create articles for any absolute must-haves. MatthewVanitas (talk) 07:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Some well known harmonium players of India" section 

message: Not sure if my view is the common one, but I (an American) am way more familiar with the term harmonium as meaning "those little hand-pump things Indians play".  Is this variant the most likely one WP readers would be looking to learn about?  If so, I suggest the lead more clearly indicate that the name applies to the small hand-pumped organs as well, and that the first pic be of the small Indian organs (maybe the pic currently second in the article).  Thoughts? MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Brit I was quite familiar with the term in a European context and only later became aware of the Indian instrument.  I believe the main difference is that the European instruments are generally pedal-pumped and the Indian ones generally hand-pumped.  Is that right?  I have re-worked the lead a little to try to reflect this and give greater parity across them. More work might be beneficial. Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rework lead to focus a bit more on Indian portable harmonium? 

message: Please only add referenced or noteworthy artists i.e. the following musicians use of the harmonium can all be verified on the artist (or album) article page. 
*Lisa Hannigan see Sea Sew
*Steve Adey see All Things Real
*Jeff Buckley see Grace
* The National see High Violet 
All speculative unreferenced additions should be removed. Seventhirtyam (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in Western Music 

message: Opus, you should've at least posted a mention here when you created Harmonium (hand-pumped) back in July. There's a ton of repetition between that article and this one, so I'm not seeing the utility at this point. What do folks think? Trim this article to make it mostly about the non-Indian harmonium and make a link, or delete Harmonium (hand-pumped) as an unnecessary WP:Fork and move its content all back here? MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, I'm not totally against having a separate article, just that it shouldn't have been made in the same month as other people were still raising objections, should have been done with an update posted back here to let folks know you'd moved forward (I only noticed because I happened to be looking at :Category:Indian musical instruments, and because you didn't deconflict it with this article. Also, there's a lot of overlap with Reed organ, so we should check all three and ensure they have neither too much nor too little overlap and linkage. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Renewed discussion October 2012

message: The article is getting pretty heavy with lists of names; anyone object to splitting them off to their own article? Said article could then have sub-sections for foot-pump and hand-pump, and maybe a sub-sub-section for Westerners using hand-pump (Allen Ginsberg, Shilpa Ray, etc). Objections? MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split off "List of harmonium players" or similar?