Talk:Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race

message: As the saying goes, "Ocean racing is like tearing up $100 bills under a cold shower."
A google search for "Ocean racing is like tearing up" only got copies of this article. Should it be removed? Andjam 06:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends how you phrase your search terms.  Google for 'sailing $100 bills' found me this CNN article from 1999.  Google for 'yacht tearing $100 -wikipedia' gets quite a few as well.  Perhaps rephrase it, but the saying seems to be valid. -- Chuq 07:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saying related to $100 bills 

message: There are an awful lot of red links relating to International yacht racing.  I guess it is within scope to at least fix these up to be stubs.
Secondly, the lead section seems to be quite long and therefor perhaps not a lead as per Wikipedia:Introductions: ie consisting of "one or more introductory paragraphs".  However, I am not sure what heading the material would best fit under.--A  Y  Arktos 19:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  In scope for collaborative improvement and things to do 

message: Found this table with most of the winners , but it says that 1973 winner was Helsal and 1974 was Ondine III, while this table  has 1973 as Ondine III and 1974 as Helsal. Any idea which would be right? ---- Astrokey44|talk 23:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ok so its Helsel for 73, must just be the motorsm.com page which has it wrong ---- Astrokey44|talk 00:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  73/74 

message: Is this any use? GummAY 06:36, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: looks excellent, needs to be accompanied by a meaningful caption - Regards--A  Y  Arktos 06:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Images 

message: Now that the we have almost all the data we need, I think putting it in a common format would be a good idea. Currently we have:
* xd yh zm as
* xxd yyh zzm aas
* dd:hh:mm:ss
* dd:hh:mm
* d:hh:mm
The official site lists them as dd:hh:mm:ss
Thoughts anyone ? GummAY 12:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we follow the format of the official site  - 	I think 03:14:14:17 is easier to read than 2d 12h 36m 23s when comparing multiple times as opposed to a one off.  I don't think we want a separate table for the fleet size so we should put it here.  I would include starting and finishing fleet hough - sometimes there are marked differences.--A  Y  Arktos 21:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting data in "winners" table 

message: "However, it took 25 years for the 1975 record by Kialoa from the USA to be broken by the German boat Morning Glory in 1996"
1975 to 1996 is not 25 years, it's 21.  
I'm not too sure how this should be worded.  Did the author mean 25 years and put the wrong years in or did they get the calculation wrong and it should be 21.  GoonerW 01:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguity in the History section 

message: Yachts Section:
"designer Bruce Farr, who has designed 15 overall winners."
Records Section:
"Most Successful Yacht Designer: Bruce Farr (NZ), 14 overall winners"
Results Section:
1998 	Sayonara 	2:20:3.5 	Midnight Rambler 	2:12:36:23 	115 	44
Records Section:
Worst Disaster: 1998, 6 sailors died; 115 yachts started but only 43 finished.
--gummAY 04:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats to check 

message: In the table it says that the 1968 winner, Ondine II, won the race in 4 days, 30 hours and 20 mins - Isn't that then 5 days? That is what I naturally thought, either that or its a mistake - but looking at the Uni Melbourne page (http://www.scc.ms.unimelb.edu.au/whatisstatistics/sydhob.html) and on that page it also lists the 1968 winner as being 4 days and 30 hours etc.! So what on Earth is going on here? Is there some sailing convention that I'm unaware of that was adopted at some stage in the mid 1960s that says that once you get to the 4 day mark you just count in hours from that point on? Or can someone explain how someone could enter those values into the table without blinking an eyelid and realising the absurdity of what they were entering? I'm going to leave it like it is until someone can explain to me why it was put in in such a bizarre manner, and also why Melbourne Uni apparently endorses such a weird counting method! Which tends to suggest they got their numbers from somewhere else which also endorses such a weird method - or that the numbers for that year are perhaps wrong in some way. Cheers. jkm 17:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good observation. I've fixed that time using stats from the official site - it must have been something about a leading zero being in the wrong place. Now what I want to know is about the 1966 race - presently we have an entirely different winner and time listed! 	 (Fidelis 	4: 08.39 as compared to Carousel T 04:06:49:36) --gummAY 21:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird Stat 

message: In the intro it lists Peter Luke was planning a cruise with friends - a recent obituary of Luke's from Offshore Yachting magazine and linked to from the race's own website  says it was Sydney artist Jack Earl (who also seems to be the second Australian to circumnavigate the world) that was originally planning the cruise to Tassie.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.48.101.91 (talk) 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter Luke? 

message: Some suggestions for improving this to a good article:
*The coverage seems reasonable - but is anything important missing?
*The references need to be improved.  Instead of some inline links, and notes, they whould all have the same style, and there should be far more references.
*Some stylistic improvements need to happen.
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Getting to a Good Article

message: Well I think the 1993 race needs including in the history with only 38 finishers, it was probably the worst weather and most damage done to a 'modern fleet' and that year although no fatalities, saw the miraculous at sea recovery of an overboard sailor at night in the height of the storm by an oil tanker, he certainly is missing. The following year was the 50th with over 300 finishers, that probably should be mentioned too, and just as well the weather of 1993 did not re-occur that year!.Jagra (talk) 04:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing!

message: In Debbie Whitmont's account of the 1998 race ('An Extreme Event' ()) mention is made of earlier races across Bass Strait, the first was in 1907 and was planned to be an annual event but the fleet was hit by a storm. No one was killed, but it put people off racing across Bass Strait. The next time it happened was in 1929 when only three of the six boats finished because the race again ran into a storm.
Unfortunately the author does not indicate the course of these two races, or where she found her accounts. I'm going to try hunting through her source list, but I thought I'd post here just in case anyone else has/or can find the information.
Edit: Located an on-line document that deals with the earlier races, the 1907 event was Queenscliffe (Victoria) - Devonport (Tasmania), the race was then reheld in 1929, 1934, then 1946 onward. Might be worth adding as a separate article if I can find more information. see:[Not the Sydney to Hobart] Graham1973 (talk) 04:36, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Earlier Races

message: What is the thought around listing supporters / sponsors?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.255.85.74 (talk) 06:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supporters / Sponsors 

message: I think some of the references to Bass Strait need to be reviewed. Few, if any, of the boats actually enter it because it is actually west of the rhumb line. Anyone sailing on a great circle course will pass even further to the east. Nominally, the strait ends at a line between Gabo Island and Flinders Island. In practical terms, the sea floor slopes down here and it becomes the Tasman Sea. This is not to say that the competitors are out of the influence of the weather and waves of Bass Strait but rather to point out that the do not actually enter it or cross it, as the commonly repeated myth would have you believe.Flanker235 (talk) 21:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Might it be best to explain that in the wording perhaps? --Falcadore (talk) 07:02, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the last part of the first par from "the last sheltered harbour before the Bass Strait crossing" to "the last sheltered harbour before Flinders Island". I'll have a think about how the first part could be reworded without a major change. I want to keep the inference that the weather and currents of Bass Strait are still a factor without inferring that crews actually enter it. What do you think? Flanker235 (talk) 08:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bass Strait 

message: Why indeed!
Perhaps this was the 50th running of the race but to have tripled the numbers is astounding.
Are any other causes known?
Peter Jones
202.168.33.73 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 09:10, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why so many boats in 1994?