Talk:Outsourcing

message: There seems to be a lot of misinformation on this page. I have a PhD in business and the textbooks disagree with a lot of the wiki content on outsourcing. 
Outsourcing is not offshoring. Outsourcing is domestic only. Offshoring is foreign only. The confusion between these terms was caused in the first place by putting false information about outsourcing on the internet. 
* This is incorrect.  Outsourcing relates to buying the services from a third party and may or may not involve off-shoring.  Most global outsourcing deals done today have an element of off-shoring.--80.169.239.21 (talk) 09:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outsourcing page needs a complete rewrite. Please contribute... 

message: Why does a Wikipedia search for computer services direct to the page for Outsourcing? Not all computer services are outsourced. There should be a separate page for computer services, but I would like to learn the history behind why computer services was directed to Outsourcing. As a reference, Computer services is listed as one of several "Industries" associated with Information technology, one of which may be Outsourcing, however, this is not universally true.  Araffals 17:52, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it was pointed there after a very old redirect discussion in 2004. I've changed Computer services to redirect to Information technology, as this seems closer to how the term is actually being used in other articles. --McGeddon (talk) 18:40, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect from Computer services

message: Why is there no causes of outsourcing section? McGlockin (talk) 19:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No-one has written one, feel free to be bold and do so.  WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 12:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes of outsourcing section 

message: I tried to add some info about outsourcing according to the industry like BPO / KPO/ s/w ; but it was removed ? Do you want full rewriting of page at once. I was thinking to rewright it step by step .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankitcktd (talk • contribs) 10:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Pages like like  which you added in  are not usable as references. Please read Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources and no original research. – Pnm (talk) 14:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  what happenning 

message: In Reasons I want to remove
*Foreign countries tend to have workers who will complete the same amount of work as in the United States, but for less than half the salary that an American employee will make [9]. This motivates companies to outsource overseas to find foreign workers who are willing to work for these lower wages. The company can spend up to half the usual cost to train these workers to become experts in a different country [10].
*Comparing the costs to employing a worker in the United States to a worker in China, it is noticed that an employer in the U.S. has to pay higher taxes (social security, Medicare, safety protection (OSHA regulations) and also FICA (taxes))[11].
because of poor content. --Tom1492 (talk) 13:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality 

message: The article seems to me to represent outsourcing from the point of view of the US and EU. Why does the opening only reference awareness of the term in the US? Most of the effects of outsourcing are given exclusively from the POV of 1st world countries' governments, workers, businesses. The article could really use about a section on India, China, etc. Forbes72 (talk) 05:12, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gloabalize 

message: All information from Co-sourcing has been merged into this article. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:22, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger complete 

message: A merge tag was added to rural outsourcing, but no discussion was initiated. However, the following comment was left at Talk:Rural outsourcing:
:Definitely reads like ad copy Lori (talk) 12:57, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger complete 

message: It has been proposed to merge Business process outsourcing into this article. I don't think this should be merged - the topic is separate enough to merit it's own article. HEre's one article that elaborates on the differences:  --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: consensus seems to be to not merge here. However, we still need to do work on differentiating the articles. As it stands, the ledes are similar still.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:41, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of business process outsourcing 

message: This is a large article, and this is the worst written large article I have ever seen. It seems like the entire, overly long article is written by the same person, some dummy who just uploaded his entire crap term paper to Wikipedia. There are many sections and many points of view that simply don't belong. The term "welfare state" needn't appear in an article about outsourcing. Here's an example of the most atrocious writing on Wiki:
"The most recent trends in outsourcing and offshoring have been precisely the opposite force as companies are drifting back to perform tasks themselves and develop facilities back in their home Western locations.
Many firms are undoing their steps in outsourcing because the consequences were not entirely as expected. The circumstances which allow firms to unbundle the different tasks or stages of its manufacturing process into different locations have not been fully determined. Though the nature of the tasks plays a role determining their interconnectedness, other factors such as innovation in the manufacturing process or advances in transport and communication technology also affect the need for direct contact among employees. As the process which ties tasks together within firms remains unclear, there is a degree of uncertainty about which tasks need to remain geographically clustered together. In many cases firms took risks experimenting with outsourcing while lacking a firm understanding of the relationship among internal tasks and its spatial implications."
This is complete garbage that needs to be deleted and started again from a stub.68.183.56.209 (talk) 17:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete This Trash

message: "Recently, a study has identified an additional system of governance, termed algocracy, that appears to govern global software projects alongside bureaucratic and market-based mechanisms." (sec 2.7, 2nd par)  I am wondering if algocracy is better expressed as a theory of A. Aneesh, instead of as the resultant findings of a study?  ColinBlm (talk) 07:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Algocracy 

message: An editor keeps adding "Outsourcing often refers to" replacing the definitive "Outsourcing is...". The reason given is that "other" things are outsourced but these other things are not explained leaving the reader with a weasely unexplained definition of the topic. Bhny (talk) 17:07, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Accuracy trumps the use of "weasel words". Implying that outsourcing is only a business process is inaccurate. The statement cannot be made.--BPearlz (talk) 02:20, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

text: OK, I've attempted to compromise by prefixing "In business" to give the topic definition some focus. I still have no idea how an organizational function differs from a business process. Wouldn't anything that a business does be a process? Bhny (talk) 20:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all organizations are businesses and not all outsourcing is business related, so the first sentence does not make sense.--BPearlz (talk) 02:20, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  weasely intro 

message: I'm somewhat confused by these cleanup tags that you added to this article. Can you suggest any specific improvements that this article might need? Jarble (talk) 02:26, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tags 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: So, to my reading, the image of a card table, and certainly the caption "the gambling of outsourcing" sounds decidedly negative, as in "outsourcing is a gamble". I removed it.  you reverted that with the edit summary, "Restoring the picture. Not regarded as highly opinionaed. Removal is opinionated." I'm not sure what you meant by "removal is opinionated"?  I'm also not sure what this photo is trying to illustrate; it shows a booth for an outsourcing company, but it's unclear that company has anything to do with gambling, so it seems like an odd choice. What are your thoughts? -- Beland (talk) 23:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Plenty of incorrect or opinionated content stays in Wikipedia articles for years without challenge; neglect doesn't make it correct or neutral. I don't read the phrase "the gamble of outsourcing", which is in the image caption as neutral. It implies that outsourcing is risky, and companies should think twice before doing it. This might be true, but Wikipedia shouldn't have an opinion on that. I also don't find the caption accurate - this is a picture of an outsourcing company in the gambling industry, not a booth set up to illustrate that outsourcing is a gamble that might succeed or fail. That's taking the pictured situation out of context, and if feels like the purpose of doing that is to support an opinion in a sort of ironic way that makes outsourcing companies look bad. -- Beland (talk) 08:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved the image to issues out of lede but I'll consider changing the caption and perhaps it is more related to reducing the risks of using outsourcing and actually relates more to the earlier section.  I've moved the article to a section when article improvement has made that possible.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gambling image 

message: A tag that was placed on this article, whose details are
:This article needs attention from an expert in Economics or Trade. Please add a reason or a talk parameter to this template to explain the issue with the article. WikiProject Economics or WikiProject Trade may be able to help recruit an expert. (June 2018)
It was placed over half a year ago, and no details were supplied. Having made extensive edits, including citations from economists, I'm removing the tag. 
This article is not meant to be at the PhD level, nor is it meant to be about unemployment. Now the word unemployment only appears five times, two from a NYTimes financial writer.  Pi314m (talk) 02:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Econmics, Trade, sourcing

message: The ref to PhD was not a light "doesn't take a brain surgeon/rocket scientist." A Samuelson/eco-class student should easily be able to understand most of the article; that was my goal. Pi314m (talk) 16:52, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: PhD clarification

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Management Services Organization and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 27#Management Services Organization until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Management Services Organization" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: User ItelCX, whose "promotional" ID is blocked, made 5 edits, addings 3,747 bytes. One was reverted. Three edits were to Outsourcing. Some NYTimes material does support the idea that
Outsourcing to the Caribbeans deserves to be mentioned in this article, albeit with sourcing. Nuts240 (talk) 07:54, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: ItelCX

message: There is a limited amount to be said about backsourcing which is distinct from talking about outsourcing itself - I would like to suggest the material in that current brief article could sensibly be transferred here. BobKilcoyne (talk) 04:19, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal: Backsourcing