Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways/Archive 8

message: *Rewriting of articles into correct tenses.
** CrossCountry, East Midlands Trains, London Overground and London Midland into present tense
** Central Trains, Central Citylink, Midland Mainline, Silverlink, Virgin CrossCountry into past tense
** Part of Virgin Trains will need changing into the past tense. The whole article is in need of attention generally.
*Updating of Template:British TOCs and Template:Defunct UK TOCs. Changeover of template on CT CC MM SL and VXC articles.
*Updating of all affected stations articles. This probably the longest and most laborious task, as it includes changing the infobox, rail line template and the content of the article.
*Updating of Train operating company and List of companies operating trains in the United Kingdom
*Removal of "From November 11 2007" from succession boxes.
*Updating of British Rail Class XX pages.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marky7890 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What needs to be done

message: *There is no immediate rush that all the chages be made immediatley. Make sure all changes you do are accurate, to prevent editing one page several times. Using the "show preview" button is the best way to acheive this.
*Officially the franchsies start at 2am, but there shouldn't be any harm in edits being made before then. 
I hope this advice has been useful. --Jorvik 19:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've used AWB to update the Birmingham area station articles, replacing Central Trains with Londom Midland (except for historical contexts) - I can carry on with other articles that link to Central Trains later. – Tivedshambo (talk) 07:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have done Central Citylink. Dewarw 10:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Looking at the Selly_Oak_railway_station article, the final paragraph of the main introduction states that "Selly Oak Station is equipped with real-time information departure boards which were installed in 2006 by London Midland."  Presumably the departure boards were installed by Central Trains as the London Midland franchise was not active in 2006?  If I am correct please let me know and I can correct this and keep an eye out for any others that have slipped through the net...ColourSarge (talk) 14:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just effectively reverted it back to Central Trains here as it seemed most likely. Simply south (talk) 17:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fab, thanks Simply south. ColourSarge (talk) 22:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Just remember...

message: * Eurostar - █ #483d8b
* Grand Central - █ #2C3838
* Heathrow Connect - █ #FF4F00
* Heathrow Express - █ #5AC4BD
* Hull Trains - █ #2E8B57
* Victa Westlink Rail - █ #ADD8E6
* VSOE - █ #000062
* West Coast Railway Company - █ #800000
* North Yorkshire Moors Railway - █ #CC0033  —Preceding unsigned comment added by XTOV (talk • contribs) 19:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open access, etc 

message: Which colour is it? In preliminary we have put it blue for now (0000CD). On their website, at least the writing and map seem to be in red, so ... (FA0000). According to a recent article, this, it is to be dark grey, light grey and white, so ... (D3D3D3). Simply south (talk) 14:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It may change with the commencement of the franchise, but I would stick as above. Dewarw (talk) 17:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While the new colour is okay, the new brand for NXEA seems it is going to be exactly the same. We need to think of two slightly different colours or shades or we will be in trouble. Simply south (talk) 23:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I think i am being difficult but it would be a good guess future operations would look similar. Btw, see here for a better picture. You can also see a comparison, at least between the engines. Simply south (talk) 17:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NXEC colour 

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Above is the station succession box for King's Cross. Please note the s-rail templates included for First Capital Connect, a single operator, having two colours. Was it agreed somewhere that the different services of one operator would be given different colours? Hammersfan 14/12/07, 16.26 GMT
*Looks like  set it up that way. Mackensen (talk) 17:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FCC Colour

message: In connection with the above debate about the Cardiff Central to Nottingham Line, I've done a run-through of the "Railway lines in X" templates, to see if there are any other problematic ones.  I've just moved Leicester to Lincoln Line to Nottingham to Lincoln Line, as the Leicester-Nottingham part is actually the Midland Main Line (or Ivanhoe Line).  --RFBailey (talk) 23:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the multitude of Line articles that has been spawned, especially as a result of the new CrossCountry franchise very fustrating. If one appelation was satisfactory for the various operations undertaken by VXC centred on Birmingham, why do we need many articles for the various operations undertaken Arriva CrossCountry. --Stewart (talk) 23:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't--that's the problem!  --RFBailey (talk) 23:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, thankfully there don't seem to be any more such non-lines kicking around.  --RFBailey (talk) 00:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Line" articles 

message: I notice that there is a request at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy to rename...
::Category:Railway engine sheds  to :Category:Railway depots. The category :Category:Rolling stock depots is absent, the subcategory :Category:Railway depots in the United Kingdom isn't divided to either the engine (locomotive) depots and the rolling stock depots.
There are two opposers now, but we might still need to consider the naming of these categories. Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I missed the request at /Speedy but I would have opposed it, a 'Railway Depot' is a modern generic term which could cover much more than simply engine sheds, including goods depots.  The name 'depot' is totally inappropriate if applied to historic engine sheds or the even earlier 'engine stable'.  XTOV (talk) 18:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Engine sheds category

message: Hi! I've just noticed that Snow Hill Lines redirects to a page on the B'ham to W'ter via K'ster page. This is technically not right. However, a page on "the snow hill lines" would be good, in my view, as they are notable. Any thoughts? Should I remove the redirect? Btline (talk) 22:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. The main line was to Wolverhampton Low Level railway station, that B'ham to W'ter via K'ster line was a branch leading off it; in the other direction they went through the tunnel past Birmingham Moor Street station. Pyrotec (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed - the Birmingham Snow Hill-Wolverhampton Low Level Line was the original main line in that direction from Birmingham Snow Hill. (Please accept my apologies for correcting the link to Wolverhampton Low Level above.)  Perhaps change the redirect to a disambiguation page, listing lines from Snow Hill? However, they are all listed from the main Snow Hill article anyway. <User:Fingerpuppet> 09:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There should probably be a disambiguation page in any case, because of the Snow Hill tunnel in London, which ought also to be listed on such a page.  --RFBailey (talk) 20:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for correcting my redlinks - I did not know that someone had already produced the articles. In summary the Snow Hill Lines should (1) be a redirect to Birmingham Snow Hill-Wolverhampton Low Level Line, or (2) a disambig page pointing to Birmingham Snow Hill-Wolverhampton Low Level Line and the Snow Hill tunnel.Pyrotec (talk) 20:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And the Snow Hill tunnel in London needs to link back to Birmingham's tunnel of the same name which also was a cut a cover tunnel and also reopened. What a pity, Birmingham's tunnel was cut first, it opened in 1852, but it did not get its roof until 1874: we let that other lot in first.Pyrotec (talk) 20:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, the disambig page will solve all these needs. Change the redirect to a diambig, and list the lines. Here's an example: Ministry of Defence.18:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birmingham Snow Hill Lines 

message: Hello readers of WikiProject UK Railways!
I just wondered if any of you would be interested in joining up to Train Spotting World, a wiki just for railways and similar things! We are also in the process of setting up several "Workforces", similar to WikiProjects, and were wondering if anyone wanted to help!
Various Wikipedians have gone over there, including myself, User:Tbo 157, User:Slambo, User:EdJogg, User:Timtrent and User:S.C.Ruffeyfan.
If you want more info, or have joined up and want some guidance, let me know here or there on my talk page!
Thanks,
Bluegoblin7 18:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just wanted to point out that the intention is NOT to 'poach' editors from WP -- you are needed here!<BR> All the listed editors are still active at WP, but TSW allows a little more creative freedom...<BR>Feel free to join us editing in both Wikis.<BR>EdJogg (talk) 02:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new wiki specially for Trains... 

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replies: text: I think I've fixed the logo f.u.r. Dewarw (talk) 16:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for File:First logo cropped F.gif

message: Greetings all, apologies if this has already been discussed but where do the railways of the Isle of Man fit in to the scheme of things? I know that IOM is not part of the UK politically, but its inclusion could surely be justified geographically? It is a very interesting mix of heritage railways, disused railways and tramways. Best Witchwooder (talk) 16:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isle of Man 

message: I have put this up for merge with Template:Britishmetros. See Template talk:UK light rail#Merge. Simply south (talk) 15:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I overhauled UK light rail and restored Britishmetros, although maybe it should be slimmed down to just the metro systems without the trams or changed per the discussion? Simply south (talk) 01:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:UK light rail]] 

message: Its a pretty specific query, but a railway person may know more than a Sheffield person. As a slight divergence from this query, would this be right place to put this sort of thing as the pages' discussion pages link to project pages? Talltim (talk) 17:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Query on lines between Sheffield and Dore 

message: Talk:North_London_Line#Merge_NLR_with_NLL There's a discussion on merging North London Railway with North London Line, but only two people are involved so more input is needed. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 00:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: You are all cordially invited to offer your thoughts on what the freshly merged unified article on the Cromer railway stations will be called, here. As whether the three articles stay merged and if so what the end product is called will set precedents for other "existing station/line/junction near a disused one" situations across the UK, this isn't the trivial content dispute it appears to be at first glance. And if anyone has any improvements to the still slightly rough-edged article (currently at GAC), do feel free. (Yes, I know the diagram shows the Cromer tunnel as passing over the GER lines not under them. Someone with a better image-editing program than my MS Paint can fix it.) —  iridescent 17:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet more Cromer 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for File:First logo cropped F.gif