Talk:Esteban (musician)

message: The entire "segovia years" section has nothing to back it up. I personally think that it's BS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.115.21  (talk • contribs) 05:43, 7 December 2006
is this an add? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.177.152  (talk • contribs) 09:56, 30 January 2006
Estaban shares no musical similarity with Segovia and this is important to point out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.127.209  (talk • contribs) 14:45, 1 January 2007
Pepe Romeros page (a real maestro) and other classical guitarist need more positive entries... everyone head over to the real masters pages and improve them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.127.209  (talk • contribs) 14:48, 1 January 2007
Seriously, What is up with this page?  All the external links even point to the guy's comercial sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.158.80  (talk • contribs) 06:08, 1 February 2006
That's all this guy is, a commercial. Many reviews I've read on music sites say he sucks on guitar, has no real skill. And of course, nobody recommends his line of guitars, they suck. Basically, if this guy was charging peers money for guitar lessons, theres nothing he wouldnt do for money. The criticism section should be longer, from what I've seen online. I am amazed the author found so many good reviews, Esteban must have payed to have them written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.95.59.46  (talk • contribs) 04:45, 6 February 2006
       You've READ the reviews but havent listened to the music? Someone's bitter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.193.207  (talk • contribs) 04:22, 12 October 2008
:Esteban may very well be a hack, a shill, or little more than a shameless opportunist - but (for better or worse) he has morphed into a C-list pop-culture icon. - Chadbryant 00:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More criticism

message: In the "early years" section, it says he enrolled "at Carnegie Mellon in 1972, after failing to study under one of his idols, Andres Segovia."
Then, in the "Segovia years" section, it says they met in 1972 and "he was invited to his master classes in Spain." It goes on to imply that he immediately hauled ass to Spain to study. (After all, "his life was meaningless" without studying with Segovia, so why would he delay?)
So, where was he in 1972? Studying with El Maestro, or in college in western Pennsylvania? One of these statements has to be wrong. Did he graduate in '72?
And, he sold "solar systems" for Reynolds Aluminum? Like, planets and stuff? Meersman 02:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Segovia chronology?

message: There is sufficient evidence (see internet and legal issues ) to suggest that the character "Esteban" is a fictitional person created to sell guitars on television commercials.  If this is true then it is also possible that this article was placed in Wikipedia in the hopes of recovering commercial integrity.
  Take note, for example, the paragraph here on how to improve the performance of an Esteban guitar by sanding the bridge.  The guitars themselves, per multiple internet references ( listed in the article ), are of poor quality.
  I also echo the concerns of the other editors; there is no proof that Esteban studied under Segovia.  There is no mention of what he did at Carnegie Mellon, or whether he graduated from there.  There is no documentation of concerts or critical review of his performance. The most any reader of this article can feel comfortable with is the existance of an American who felt compelled to change his name to "Estaban", his wardrobe to that of Don Juan and Zoro, and his history to sound grand...in order to sell Chinese-made guitars for 150 dollars each on infomercials.  Without some solid evidence, what more are we to think?
As for bias and opinion...the two are separate.  Encyclopedias present facts ONLY.  "Your Opinion" is not allowed in this format.  In addition, this article violates the Wikipedia Biographical requirement which requires citation for living persons.
Respectfully submitted, J.S.
71.34.217.189 13:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This Article should be deleted...

message: This article should be completely rewritten or just deleted. God awful. Twisket 04:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Twisket's Opinion!

message: This should be a Disambiguation page...that way, more people can access it easier. I came to this page searching a different Esteban.Aznime 03:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  So go ahead and create it.  This article can be moved to either Stephen Paul (which now redirects here) or Esteban (guitarist) or similiar disambiguation.  Then you can create the disambiguation page listing various people with this name.  Gene Nygaard 14:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation page

message: This article reads like an advertisement for this guy.  Did anyone notice that all his albums came out AFTER his "injury"?  Nobody had heard of him until the commercials, and all public focus is on the commercials.  This article should be about Esteban the successful television salesman, not Esteban the musician.  This man is obviously a fraud who has made it out to seem like he had a successful musical career.  This page needs to be fixed to focus on his accomplishments, and needs to be reworded to not sound like an embellished advertisement.  24.108.153.22 04:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Written by Esteban?

message: If we agree to call Stephen Paul a successful businessman as opposed to a significant classical guitarist, can we stop with the cheap shots? The undertones of this article make Paul out to be a devious fraud but there is no reason to question the integrity or authenticity of this man simply because he plays popular music and sells low-end guitars. Of course his guitars are cheaply made; how else could he achieve his expressed purpose of making guitar-playing available to the masses? To point out shoddy construction borders on redundancy given the price tag. And his "exploitation" of Segovia is totally blown out of proportion.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.62.18 (talk) 07:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Enough Cheap Shots

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