Talk:Anna of Schweidnitz

message: Anna or Anne?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  16:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anna or Anne? 

message: For German -Holy Roman Empire queen and empress Anna von Schweidnitz, also queen of Bohemia (HRE state as well) google book search results shows Anna von Schweidnitz over 600, 300 Anne of Schweidnitz 
Google book search result for Anne of Świdnica: 1 - ONE - result
Yet Wikipedia pushes Anne of Świdnica name with the 1 google book entry (a Polish book). And then you wonder, why so many people say that wikipedia is unreliable ? 
Wonder why 16 November 2007  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.206.167 (talk • contribs)  01:08, 19 November 2007
:EB1911 called her "Anna, daughter of Henry II., duke of Schweidnitz" , a recent English book on Medieval History uses "Anne of Schweidnitz (Świdnica)"  while a recent book focussing on Czech Literature and Society  does not mention the additional, contemporary Polish place name. Recent English books also use the German form. The Czech naming "Anna Svídnická" is not even half as popular as the German "Anna von Schweidnitz", but not in English. The Polish naming variants are virtually unknown, especially in English. Only one Google book hit uses a combination of Anne and Świdnica, and that is a 1933 vintage book of Polish authors in French. . So the article needs to be moved to Anne of Schweidnitz. -- Matthead discuß!     O       04:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anne of Schweidnitz 6, Anna Swidnicka 6, Anna Svidnicka 9 in google books search. Next time please follow RM discussion. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 23:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Empress Anna von Schweidnitz 

message: Google advanced book search –
By 1900 AD 
*Anna Schweidnitz  = Result: 627 all languages  German 619
Anna Schweidnitz  English by 1900 AD
Anna Schweidnitz  
Results:  
*By  1900       =  135  books English language refer to Anna von (of) Schweidnitz
*By  1950       =  286  books English Anna von (of) Schweidnitz
*By  2008       =  559  books in English: Anna von (of) Schweidnitz
Anna Swidnica English  by 1950 AD
* Anna Swidnica  Result: (7 books total, 1 Anna Swidnica) 
*By 1950  - 1.  book refers to Anna Swidnica
*By 2008  - 9  books refer to Anne or Anna Swidnica
 
*Anna Swidnica 2008 Google book search =141 books 5 of those state Anne or Anna Swidnica, Anne Sidnica add. about 4=9)
In 2008 google search Result:
  
result: 559 books state Anna von (of) Schweidnitz compared to   
result:   9 books state Anne or Anna Swidnica
An Observer (71.137.200.98 (talk) 22:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is '''Anna von Schweidnitz''' (or of) in Wikipedia Article named Anna of Swidnica? 

message: Anne of Świdnica is not a historical name and it is not even used in Polish books
Polish Google Book Search Anne Świdnica:
*Google book search: Anne Świdnica Result: None
*Google book search: Anne Świdnicka Result None
:: These links actually give 92 and 56 hits, but after browsing through all pages listed, none refers to the person in question, just to the town (or something not displayed). The search is malformed anyway, as using "date:0-2008" is quite pointless. Removing it yields basically the same.-- Matthead  Discuß   10:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia name Anne of Świdnica is unhistorical invention, only used by Wikipedia users 

message: Your numbers given next to the "Anna Schweidnitz" name are also dishonest: first one shows 89 not 135 and the second one 481 and not over 500. Thats four errors in four links - that can't be a mistake. If you want to discuss, do it in a honest way. Best wishes Opole.pl (talk) 20:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now, from my PC, the two Google links above yield 136 and 568 hits. Opole.pl, you better do not attack others like that.-- Matthead  Discuß   22:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why do you lie? The links you have given above show 91 and 56 results and not, as you said, "none"

message: There is no such thing as a historical name in these situation. It is just a name used by historians in order to distinguish this particular Anne from other famous Anns. It was created by adding after her name her place of birth. That place is Świdnica (in the German period of Silesia called Schweidnitz). We cannot say that Schweidnitz is the correct name in any way on English Wikipedia. According to the Wiki rules if there is no English equivalent for a foreign name (as it is for instance in Czech Rep.: Svídnická, Spanish.: Swidnica, Hungary: Świdnicai and German Schweidnitz) we use the oryginal one which in this case is Świdnica. Why are you trying to name the city of Świdnica Schweidnitz again? It is an exact linguistic equivalent but the true name nowadays is Świdnica and so if there is no English version we have to stick to Świdnica in order not to confuse the readers about Anne's place of birth. Opole.pl (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That the town of Schweidnitz was renamed in 1945 is totally irrelevant to the name of the 14th century Duchy after which Anna was named. -- Matthead  Discuß   00:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It has everything to do. Queen Anne had no last name that we could consider as the only proper name. She did not have any last name at all therefore she was described by adding after her name her place of birth. That place is Świdnica (in German Schweidnitz). These words mean egzactly the same. We dont have, unfortunately, any English name for Świdnica so we have to use the oryginal one (thats how it was done on all other Wikipedias including Hungarian , Spanish and so on). I wil say it again Queen Anne did not have a last name "von Schweidnitz" she did not have a lst name at all. This term "of Świdnica", "Świdnicka", "Svidnica", "von Schweidnitz" was invented later by adding her place of birth. This place is Świdnica and so on enwiki we have Ann of Świdnica. Opole.pl (talk) 07:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nobles are named after their dynasty (or their highest title), not after the birth place. According to your logic, Catherine the Great of Russia, which was born Sophia Augusta Frederica von Anhalt - Zerbst in Stettin, would be called Catherine of Sczezczin, or, as the town is in Poland, Katarzyna of Sczezczin. -- Matthead  Discuß   09:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The dynasty of Anee of Świdnica is the Piast dynasty. Though in the 14h century the name was not yet in use. She did not have a last name (a title) "von Schweidnitz", such last name (title) does not exist. She was just Anne daughter of the Silesian Piast duke of Świdnica so later on she was called Anne of Świdnica (German Anna von Schweidnitz). But this is not German Wikipedia so we dont use the German equivalent of the name Świdnica but , in case of a lack of English version of the name, the oryginal one: Świdnica. The same was done on other wikipedias. So enwiki schould not act against its rules. Opole.pl (talk) 11:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: You are wrong again

message: Wikipedia User:Opole changed the historical name used in literature Anna von (or of) Schweidnitz to Anna of Swidnica by cut and paste.
The links to the books Opole listed as reference all show Anna von Schweidnitz and do not show Anna of SwidnicaJohn M. Jeep: Medieval Germany: An Encyclopedia, Published by Routledge, 2001 , 9780824076443 Virginia Chieffo Raguin, Sarah Stanbury: Women's Space: Patronage, Place, and Gender in the Medieval Church, Published by SUNY Press, 2005, , 9780791463659 David E. Wellbery, Judith Ryan, Hans Ulrich Gumbrecht et.al.: Published by Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 2004, , 9780674015036 Richard Kenneth Emmerson, Sandra Clayton-Emmerson: Key Figures in Medieval Europe: An Encyclopedia, Published by CRC Press, 2006 , 9780415973854  (, , ) (1339 – July 11, 1362 in Prague) was Queen of Bohemia, German Queen, and Empress of the Holy Roman Empire.
Also, the current world wide web sources he refers to above as Anne of Swidnica are basically mirrors from the Wikipedia entries and are not backed up by historical literature sources, which virtually all show the name Anna von Schweidnitz or Anna of Schweidnitz.
Literature
An Observer (70.133.79.167 (talk) 17:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absurdity - Wikipedia User:Opole changed name to Anna of Swidnica, yet references show: Anna von Schweidnitz 

message: Sources seem to overwhelmingly support Move Parsecboy (talk) 15:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support as nom. The issue was raised over a year ago, to no avail. Some can not accept facts, and move warring even let to an IP making a Cut&Paste move, which was since fixed by an admin, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Cut.26Paste_move_at_Anna_von_Schweidnitz. -- Matthead  Discuß   02:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
===Anna of Świdnica  -  Anna Świdnicka===
We are dealing as ever with German pretentions to Polish territory! They ingress rape plunder, murder and burn then what they do not destroy they claim as their own. The names they Germanise. These territories that Poland managed to get back have been suffused by Germanised Polish names and it does not surprise that there is sustained effort to thrust the Germanicity back onto us. You have Danzig for Gdańsk, Auschwitz for Oświęcim, Varszau for Warszawa, und so weiter. I a Pomeranian am a Pole, whose ancestors they failed to exterminate, they tried very hard, we only survived by a miracle. Today they would insist we are German and Pommernleute of course (and they spell Pomerania with a "mm", that mmakes it German you see). Vielen dank kameraden. The same applies to dear Anna Świdnicka as we would write it. If the history book be written by a German then they would Germanise it as Anna von Schweidnitz. Note the Polish "c" is an exact equivalent of the German "tz". In their own literature I would grant them that, perhaps. But if it be the English language I see no reason to have this indeed obnoxious Germanicity thrust upon me. Yet they insist!!! If one takes a casual glance at East Germany its towns, rivers its topography, it is all in twisted Polish. The territories we have now are only a fraction of what is ours! These are facts. So get off our backs. The other thing I would mention as very relevant is that, no amount of propaganda changes facts. Anna von Schweidnitz may be recorded as such in a million references by Germans but that does not change the facts. Therefore counting German propaganda references is just that, propaganda. Auf widersehen meine Europaeische freunde.
--Antone1 (talk) 18:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support as nom. The issue was raised over a year ago, to no avail. Some can not accept facts, and move warring even let to an IP making a Cut&Paste move, which was since fixed by an admin, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Cut.26Paste_move_at_Anna_von_Schweidnitz. -- Matthead  Discuß   02:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: We are dealing as ever with German pretentions to Polish territory! They ingress rape plunder, murder and burn then what they do not destroy they claim as their own. The names they Germanise. These territories that Poland managed to get back have been suffused by Germanised Polish names and it does not surprise that there is sustained effort to thrust the Germanicity back onto us. You have Danzig for Gdańsk, Auschwitz for Oświęcim, Varszau for Warszawa, und so weiter. I a Pomeranian am a Pole, whose ancestors they failed to exterminate, they tried very hard, we only survived by a miracle. Today they would insist we are German and Pommernleute of course (and they spell Pomerania with a "mm", that mmakes it German you see). Vielen dank kameraden. The same applies to dear Anna Świdnicka as we would write it. If the history book be written by a German then they would Germanise it as Anna von Schweidnitz. Note the Polish "c" is an exact equivalent of the German "tz". In their own literature I would grant them that, perhaps. But if it be the English language I see no reason to have this indeed obnoxious Germanicity thrust upon me. Yet they insist!!! If one takes a casual glance at East Germany its towns, rivers its topography, it is all in twisted Polish. The territories we have now are only a fraction of what is ours! These are facts. So get off our backs. The other thing I would mention as very relevant is that, no amount of propaganda changes facts. Anna von Schweidnitz may be recorded as such in a million references by Germans but that does not change the facts. Therefore counting German propaganda references is just that, propaganda. Auf widersehen meine Europaeische freunde.
--Antone1 (talk) 18:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Anna of Świdnica  -  Anna Świdnicka

message: "The result of the proposal was Sources seem to overwhelmingly support Move" 2 to 1 is a overwhelmingly support??? A joke?--Sobiepan (talk) 14:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Move it back to Anna of Świdnica