Talk:The Way International/Archive 2

message: Tabloid Journalism from Unsourced Statements About Events from 30 Years Ago
I cannot believe this website and its claim to be a neutral point-of-view encyclopedia. It seems to be overrun by paparazzi "journalists" who would report accusations they heard in the wind, if it fit their cultic world-view of religion, Christianity, and non-denominational churches. If I wanted the National Enquirer report on the Way International I'd ... well - go to Wikipedia, I guess, to get the scoop. God forbid the things you have to say about Jesus Christ, Moses, or the Apostle Paul ... are the 2 or 3 of you cult nuts going to snipe them, too? I'm going to check out the Wikipedia entries on them before going any further. Gideonmjames 15:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tabloid Journalism from Unsourced Statements 

message: I changed the name of this section to "Four crucified with Christ." The previous title means nothing to the average reader, and the section never explained what it meant. The current title now describes the content.Pete Snowball 15:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Rise and Expansion of the Christian Church in the First Century - written by L. Craig Martindale, Hardcover, Published by American Christian Press (1st ed July 1993) ISBN: 091006878X.
It was a class that is sure, but it was also a book. The class stopped running some time ago but the book is still for sale and still taught from. Heck the PFAL book was also a class but it is still a published book! Lsjzl 21:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  enteuthen kai enteuthen 

message: Someone added a list of publications.
I removed the "books" "Renewed Mind", "Witnessing and Undershepherding", "Dealing With the Adversary",because there were never "publications" with those names. I added "Born Again to Serve" by Mrs W, and "VP and Me" by Loy Martindale.
I also added that VPW EDITED JCOP and JCOPS, since both books were completely written by the Research Dept, despite all references to them having been left out of those books. At MOST, VPW edited them-but more likely, he wrote the intro and just let them write the book.  However, for all intents and purposes, that can be referred to as him "editing" it. 
(I also restored the Pacific group's name, since no reason was ever given for its deletion-which on this page generally means "I want to pretend they didn't exist.")Pete Snowball 19:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Rise and Expansion of the Christian Church in the First Century - written by L. Craig Martindale, Hardcover, Published by American Christian Press (1st ed July 1993) ISBN: 091006878X.
It was a class that is sure, but it was also a book. The class stopped running some time ago but the book is still for sale and still taught from. Heck the PFAL book was also a class but it is still a published book! Lsjzl 21:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publications 

message: :Wikipedia is not a forum. This page is here for us discuss our article about "The Way," not to discuss personal experiences (which we can't use as a basis for edits, per no original research). Thanks, -Willmcw 23:55, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Testimony deleted.  If you want to publicize your feelings about The Way, make a web page and send us a link Grumpyoldgeek 23:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I've had some experiences with the Way, hence why I never edit this article. Deckiller 00:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Those Who Have a Positive View of "The Way International" 

message: I restored its description of itself. Although I agree that it is bland, uninformative and does not truly add information to the discussion as such, I think the self-description of an organization is appropriate to have on an article ABOUT that organization, whether or not that description is useful or even accurate in its portrayal.  Besides, there's a verifiable source for the description.
Pete Snowball 13:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TWI's description of TWI 

message: I want this page's POV removed by the end of the weekend, if possible.  Anyone reading this message: please help POV this article ASAP.  I have already tried, although weasel statements and rushing are my primary weaknesses....
This category has a lot of potential.  We may be able to completely delete or merge all the articles I made about people.  Other TWI articles include:
* The Rock of Ages Festival
* Way Productions
* Mark and Avoid
Deckiller 23:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was in the group as well.  I'll try to start throwing ideas sometime this weekend. Deckiller 00:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POVing this page. 

message: To the person who keeps deleting content and calling it the "Truthful POV", you are deleting information that can be verified from news media sources and TWI's literature.  Don't try to reslant the page to favor TWI - leave it in a NPOV.  TPOV (especially, when it's your view or truth, is not the policy of Wikipedia. --Mike Straw 07:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lsjzl, I applaud your attitude.  It amazes me that so many people don't realize that the worst thing they can do, if their organization is accused of being a cult, is to go into a howling frenzy and try to surpress any discussion of the evidence for and against such an allegation.  Since "control of information" is so often identified by experts as one of the key criteria of a cult, it amazes me that more people can't see that hysterically screeching whenever someone asks "is this group a cult?" makes it look like it is. -- Antaeus Feldspar 14:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TPOV 

message: There is no mention of the old PFAL series on this site and I wonder where it could be added to? Also, The Way just released a new Foundational class. (Unsure of the title) Could this be added to the Classes section or Should the old ones be moved into the History part?
Thanks! Lsjzl 20:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Older classes and new info on them

message: This is another name that TWI is usually referred to as especially in verbal conversations or witnessing and outreach activities done by the group. I created two redirects from The Way Ministry and Way Ministry. In fact it took me awhile to learn that technically the group is TWI Lsjzl 02:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea to make redirects under those names, then... -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Way Ministry 

message: * This sentence was moved. The reason will be given after the quote:
(An additional term, "plurality giving", was coined to refer to calculating the amount of money you need to live on, and giving all other money to The Way International.)
The next sentence talks about how Failure to follow this law... This could end in a misleading idea that the law spoken of refers to the term plurality giving I felt. Lsjzl 21:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; where you've moved the sentence to makes it much clearer what "the law" refers to. -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Geez, well in an attempt to show that I am not simply upping my edit counts... :) let me say that I moved the sentence back in the proper place. What I changed was the wording of "Failure to follow this law" to "the law of tithing". Lsjzl 14:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plurality giving 

message: After talks lately with Centrx and others on a different subject, I realized that unsourced statements could be and so, were tagged. Lsjzl 20:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation requests

message: I noted in 2 places that TWI counts their incorporation as happening in 1942, with Wierwille's
Vesper Chimes radio show(and added its later name, Chimes Hour). Other than Wierwille starting
TWI and starting the radio show, they have virtually NOTHING in common. Further, the date of
paperwork containing the name "The Way" seems to change depending on who's talking.
(I'll provide some specifics when I find where I left them.) Previously, the listing stated that
1942 WAS TWI's start. Pete Snowball 13:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also noted that on the Victor Paul Wierwille page the following:
"In 1942 he started the precursor to TWI, Vesper Chimes, which was a radio show broadcast from Lima, Ohio. He incorporated TWI in 1955, taking the name from Acts 9:2, which was used by early Christians."
The book "Born Again to Serve" by Dorothea Kipp Wierwille () says that "On June 12, 1955 the Board of Trustees submitted a resolution to the Board of Directors to amend and revise the constitution of The Way. Our original charter of incorporation had been filed Octorber 30, 1947, No 204759, with the Ohio secretary of state." 
Not sure how this can be used but thought it would add to the conversation at least. Lsjzl 17:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I just checked John Juedes' site: hthe information that he has shows that "The Chimes Hour Youth Caravan" was incorporated in 1947. Ten of Swords 22:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: date of The Way's founding