Talk:The Ninth Gate

message: While not directly related to the film, "Perez-Reverte’s book contains numerous literary references and a subplot concerning Corso’s investigation into an unpublished chapter of The Three Musketeers" is incorrect in that the chapter, as written in the book, is actually chapter 42, The Anjou Wine (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Three_Musketeers/Chapter_42), which was part of the novel. Shane Lin 20:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Unpublished" Chapter 

message: While an interesting read, one of the prime tenets of Wikipedia that unsourced, uncited speculation should not be part of its articles. There is quite a lot of it here, including pretty much all of sections 3-6. I'll working on trimming it out over the next few days.---Jackel 03:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For posterity, what follows is the speculative content I removed. I also removed the images, as they seemed only relevant to the reved content. Like I said, interesting, but not germaine to an encyclopedia entry. ---Jackel 15:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The author of this material should, due to the material's worth, place it on the web somewhere and 'external link' it.
Book M 11:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation/theory cleanup 

message: Corso is a book lover, but he shows little care for them, even the most valuable one: The Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows, not wearing gloves, carrying the book in a shabby bag, leaving it unguarded, drinking whiskey and smoking while handling it. Why is that? And what's in a name, Corso? In Italian, Corso means 'the path' or 'course' and where might that path lead?
Who is the nameless, mysterious girl (Emmanuelle Seigner) who happens to turn up wherever Corso goes? The girl is shown on the missing page that Corso received at the end of the movie in Spain. The girl is shown on a creature with multiple heads, and she could be the Whore of Babylon, who travels on a beast with seven heads.
Balkan teaches a class on witchcraft where the girl is in attendance when Corso goes to meet Balkan at the beginning. She is obviously a 300 year old witch who levitates twice and appears in the front seat of the SUV at the old castle ruins. As well as having knowledge of the drowning of Fargus and the location of the original ninth engraving. Among other things such as insatiable lust.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1009:B055:D7BE:4D8D:4A68:28B5:E4DD (talk) 02:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation about the true nature of Corso and The Girl 

message: Balkan showed that the ninth gate is a path to equality with god. This is the fundamental vanity of Satan and Satan has always been interested in making man a rival of God (e.g. garden of eden and the fruit from teh tree of knowledge). THus the ninth gate is likely immortality of some kind, another way to disrupt the order established by God. At its extreme, Corso is the anti-christ. that would explain the whore of babylon and beast with seven heads reference. Someone above mentioned that Roman Polanksi stated the girl is a minion of Satan.65.78.24.62 (talk) 00:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Girl is a minion, Corso is the antichrist 

message: I don't understand at all about all this speculation about who Corso and the girl were supposed to symbolize, etc., etc.  Do you really think Roman Polanski or the author of the book intended all of those hidden meanings?  If so, why don't you ask Roman Polanski and then you can stop speculating once and for all.  Instead of speculating, why don't you just do research on some of the easy to grasp details of the movie, starting at places like this:
:1.  Read the novel
:2.  Read the original script for the movie - it doesn't match the final movie (more clues!)
:3.  Listen to the director's commentary on the DVD
:4.  Get the sound track
:5.  Polanski said in the commentary that the castle in the movie was an old French Cathar castle.  Who are the Cathars?  Why does the movie end with Corso walking into their castle?
::Because that is what intelligent people do; speculate and look for meanings and symbolism in film and literature.  Give it a whirl sometime. 76.178.201.51 03:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why don't people research the details of the movie more? 

message: I think the movie deserve to be continue --Max Mayr 08:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second part 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ninth gate ver3.jpg

message: "While eventually only making $18,661,336 in North America, it went on to make $58,401,898 worldwide, well above its budget of $38 million.[1]"  - Erm, except that that was the production budget. It doesn't include marketing. So in the opening paras where it says it made a 'profit', that's not proven by the ref, it's just a guess - O.R. Malick78 (talk) 21:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's the facts that are available and for now we have to go with that. Unless you can track down what the advertising budget was.--J.D. (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Budget

message: According to Wikipedia, these kinds of sections are discouraged unless sourced so I'm putting here until this happens.--J.D. (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences between novel and adaptation 

message: why aren't these discussion page corso/girl theories part of the main entry? they're great.
when i watched the movie for the 4th time tonight i expected to see this type of theory building on the main page.
why aren't i? is it because of the spoiler effect?
i'm at a loss for a real reason.
Quebex (talk) 03:08, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this kind of text needs to have citations or it gets flagged and removed as being original research.--J.D. (talk) 15:19, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  corso/girl theories 

message: According to my (probably USA) copy of the soundtrack, track 16's title is listed as "Vocalise - Theme from the Ninth Gate (Reprise)" not "Vocalise - Theme from a Summer Place". The track is indeed almost identical to track 1, and is shorter by two seconds.
67.87.154.223 (talk) 20:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track 16 in The Ninth Gate Soundtrack 

message: What an interesting film, and realistic concerning the guy dumping gas on his head. It's different actually knowing people like that. Glad they have the warning...75.200.152.234 (talk) 12:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerald Gardner Advocate 

message: I was a  bit puzzled by the setting of the film in time. It's shot in 1999 but there is not a single mobile phone? Everyones uses more or less antique technology. Corso's budget is unlimited but he still travels by commercial air and train and taxi? After all, he is a mercenary; he would live as well as he could on his budget. Perhaps that is a difference from the book? And yes, I agree with some others that just because you have a bookshelf you don't have a library of rare and expensive books. They are kept in darkness, with controlled humidity and temperature if you know what you're doing.
83.251.57.154 (talk) 10:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setting? 

message: The Girl is introduced in the same scene in which Corso arrives to hear Balkan giving his speech about familiars being summoned to aid witches.  She then takes an interest in him, as she recognizes that he is intent on pursuing the mystery, and provides aid.  She has so much occult knowledge because she's a demon possessing a human.  71.171.79.229 (talk) 10:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Girl -- Corso's Familiar 

message: While it is uncertain what the author of the book the film is based on intended, Lucifer (root of word means light) was originally the 'Light Bringer' and represented the Planet Venus. The Moon was known as 'Sin' and was an ancient God that many worshiped.
Christianity had to do away with all these old nature gods (especially female ones that many early peoples worshiped because the female could bring new life) so that the Roman Catholic Church could have a monopoly on power.
In this light (pun intended), Lucifer is not evil/devil - (as in Adam and Ev-il - the woman got the blame for eating from the tree of knowledge) - Lucifer was the light bringer, Venus, that appears just before the Sun rises, therefore Lucifer is good, assisting the Sun/God. 
Therefore, when Corso goes into the Castle at the end of the film - (director Roman Polansky picked a Cathar Castle, see below for explanation of Cathars from Wikipedia)  - which was the Castle of a Christian sect that believed in an ancient dualism. This Castle was glowing with brilliant light because he would have been attaining en-lightenment with the help of Lucifer's female assistant. If all of this was not the intention it should have been!
From Wiki...
"The Cathars believed there existed within mankind a spark of divine light. This light, or spirit, had fallen into captivity within a realm of corruption identified with the physical body and world. This was a distinct feature of classical Gnosticism, of Manichaeism and of the theology of the Bogomils. This concept of the human condition within Catharism was most probably due to direct and indirect historical influences from these older (and sometimes violently suppressed) Gnostic movements. According to the Cathars, the world had been created by a lesser deity, much like the figure known in classical Gnostic myth as the Demiurge. This creative force was identified with Satan; most forms of classical Gnosticism had not made this explicit link between the Demiurge and Satan. Spirit, the vital essence of humanity, was thus trapped in a polluted world created by a usurper God and ruled by his corrupt minions."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.110.16 (talk) 03:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Lucifer? 

message: Which part of "This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject." dont some of you guys understand?. 86.182.36.232 (talk) 22:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not a forum for general discussion. 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The length is currently 764, rather too long. I will trim it down a bit. Invertzoo (talk) 19:58, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of plot summary 

message: In the 'Plot' section, first paragraph, we find the sentence "Balkan believes only one of the three is authentic and wants Corso to inspect the other two to determine which one." This makes no sense! I think it's meant to read "...wants Corso to inspect them to setermine which one." Possibly "inspect them all"?
I won't change anything myself as I haven't even seen the film. But somebody should clean that up.
109.159.164.72 (talk) 03:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad sentence. 

message: What was the breed of the dog in the film that shows up for a few seconds ? 94.14.195.131 (talk) 17:00, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog scene