Talk:Darth Nihilus

message: I think it looks slightly better, but it doesn't show his face that well, because I had to reduce size or it would mess up the article. Keep or stay?Shadow Blade 22:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reduced size is fine. Fair use images (which is what this would be) are supposed to be low-resolution anyway. --maru   (talk)  contribs 00:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I added a new picture 

message: I'm thinking this should be merged into the Minor characters in Star Wars page.  Thoughts? --Cbarbry 04:39, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought maybe not.  I looked and Darth Malak has his own (pretty extensive) page.  How key of a character is he?  (I haven't played the game yet because it's not out on PC yet.) --Cbarbry 04:46, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He isn't featured as much as Malak was in KotOR, but being one of three Sith Lords, it makes more sense that there is a division between the amount each of them are featured. --Nufy8 20:00, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He is absolutely crucial to Visas Marr, but as far as the rest of the game goes, he could be easily cut.  --maru 21:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 

message: Darth Nihilus WAS human, he just trapped his consciousness in a suit, so shouldn't it say he was human instead of possibly human? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.112.244.104 (talk) 00:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species 

message: Why is this article not cruft?  This article as far as I can see does not explain this character's impact (if any) outside of the game. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 19:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  cruft.... 

message: In his conversation with Krayt, Nihilus never states that krayt was a "pretender" to the sith legacy, Krayt couldn't even UNDERSTAND what Nihilus was saying anyway, the one who declares Krayt to be a "pretender" was Darth Andeddu, therefore it should be changed. Although I will say, Nihilus DID appear to agree with what Andeddu was saying, he just wasn't the one who outright say it. BassxForte 01:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Krayt 

message: I prodded this article for deletion because it is solely a collection of plot summary. It makes no assertion of the character's real-world notability. While the content here may be appropriate for Wookieepedia's in-universe-friendly perspective, it doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards for writing about fiction. Aside from a minor appearance in Legacy, Nihilus appears in KOTOR 2; lacking a compelling explanation for how this character matters from an out-of-universe perspective -- and a Howard Stern goof doesn't cut it -- the article should be redirected to KOTOR 2. --EEMeltonIV 22:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The KOTORII article will just give a sentence or two at best for the character. BassxForte 23:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is entirely appropriate considering his lack of real-world notability. If you want to write or read an in-universe bio on this character, go to Wookieepedia; Wikipedia's policy is to focus on out-of-universe significance with only minor inclusion of plot summaries and the like. This article is almost all plot summary, and he's not much more than a background character; Wikipedia should "just give a sentence or two". --EEMeltonIV 23:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Real world notability?! He's quite possibily the strongest sith! how many other force-users could devestate an entire planet with their force powers?! No, Sidious doenst count because the Death Star is not a force power. Furthermore, Nihilus is about to get an action figure, along with Darth bane and a shirtless Darth Maul. http://jediinsider.net/g/index.php?mode=view&album=2007_SDCC%2FHasbro_Panel&pic=Picture18.jpg&dispsize=600&start=0 BassxForte 23:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Strongest Sith" and "devastating an entire planet" are in-universe plot pieces, not real-world issues. Getting an action figure would be a fine point to make in the KOTOR II article. --EEMeltonIV 23:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, two action figures. So what? Why does he matter in the real world? Being made into a miniature isn't a benchmark for real-world notability -- I don't see many articles on "Old Republic Soldier" or "Dark Side Enforcer". Has this character been the subject of third-party press/coverage? Has it had some palpable impact on popular culture? Rather than repeat myself, I've opened the AfD, which you've already noticed. Go make your argument for retention there. --EEMeltonIV 00:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay. --EEMeltonIV 00:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: More information. EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, that's part of the prod process. I was just making an observation, nothing more... EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it's pretty foolish to be caught up in the idea of 'real world notability' - Please read WP:N and WP:WAF. --EEMeltonIV 16:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Probably neither. If such a minor character does have an article, please either redirect it to the game, a broader article on all the game's characters, or delete it. --EEMeltonIV 20:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't know the Mario world enough to judge whether Bowser is notable in either the video game or real world, and I'd say generally speaking an NPC with minimal involvement in a video game probably won't lead to real-world impact. Regardless, I'll once again point you toward WP:WAF and WP:N. If you have questions about an article's notability, bring it up on the talk page or, if it's a clear example of non-notable or otherwise unencyclopedic content, prod its editors or nominate it for deletion. --EEMeltonIV 21:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Well you brought it up and posed the question -- although I'm not sure what point or contention you're trying to get across. If you think this article is worth keeping, the link to the AfD discussion is at the top of the article page. I'm happy to continue this exchange with you there if you'd like to articulate a rationale, supported by Wikipedia policy, for this article's retention. --EEMeltonIV 21:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prod 

message: Posted on my talk page by User:BassxForte:
:"Darth Nihilus's name is derived from Nihilism. I'm re-adding the info now. BassxForte 16:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely that there is a connection. But did the producers have the notion of "nihilism" in mind, as you wrote on my talk page? Or did they look at the Latin root, as you added on the article? Or maybe their inspiration was the nihilists in The Big Lebowski. Who knows? We don't; hence, we need a source. --EEMeltonIV 17:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Great. Says who? What's the source that identifies this practice as deliberate allusion, in particular with this character? --EEMeltonIV 17:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Wookieepedia is not a reliable source. --EEMeltonIV 17:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Please read this wiki's policy on what qualifies as a reliable source. Does the Wookieepedia entry cite a real-world reliable source for its assertions? --EEMeltonIV 17:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Rather than talking about all Darths, how about coming back to the original question: can you cite a reliable source that substantiates the claim that there is an allusion or intended meaning behind "Nihilus"? --EEMeltonIV 18:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with you. But for inclusion in Wikipedia, assertions like "X means Y..." need to be cited to a reliable source. Please take the time to read the policies. --EEMeltonIV 18:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, an assertion that "Nihilus comes from 'Nihl'" or "Nihilus means whatever" or "Nihilus is similar to 'nihl' which can be translated to whatever else" -- without a citation to a reliable source, that is original research. And from another angle: like I said, I agree that the darth names carry some special meaning or significance -- just look at the competition to come up with Jacen Solo's darth ____ -- but if there's not a published source out there affirming it (or at least affirming it for Nihilus), then it probably isn't a notable piece of information worth including. "Nihilus means 'nothingness'" -- okay, so what? Why does it matter? Trivial. --EEMeltonIV 18:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair enough; I should have written "inconsequential". But, even trivia (although it should be avoided) needs to be cited. --EEMeltonIV 18:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: No, I'm not. Please go back and read the several instances above where I stated that I agree that the character's name is not random. What I am saying (yet again) is that if you want to include that assertion in the article, you need to cite it to a reliable source. --EEMeltonIV 18:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Um, right. You said you've read Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources "a long time ago" -- I think you need to review it. --EEMeltonIV 21:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name "Citation" 

message: The target of this page, List of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic characters, was moved on 29 August. The target should changed to Characters of the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series#Darth Nihilus to avoid a double redirect. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 16:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: * Pppery * it has begun... 00:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 5 September 2023