Talk:Czech Americans

message: John Kerry cannot be called a Czech American as his parents' mother tongue was obviously German, like of the majority of the region from where they moved to Lower Austria, Austria! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.141.243 (talk) 18:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: they were not Austrians! Austrian-Hungarian Empire calld them germans (Austrian census), Czechoslovakia calld them germans (Czechoslovakian census/laws), Western Powers in the interwar peiod calld them Germans (sudetengerman question), they calld themselves Germans (e.g. in the interwar period the party representing them was the sudetengerman party) 78.42.252.102 (talk) 18:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: John Kerry

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message: Please excuse my ignorance, but I think this article confuses Czechs and people from Bohemia. The alleged first Czech, Gans, was a Jew, the second, Augustine Herman, sounds more like a Dutch or German, and the third one, Frederick Philipse, doesn't sound Czech either. Bohemia was a multiethnical country back then, not everyone from there was a Czech. Karasek (talk) 12:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I really think the definition of a Czech American is wrong. Hungarians, Jews and Germans descended from the territory of the Czech lands, but they weren't Czechs (Slavs) and shouldn't be included here (like Gans, a Jew). These people should be listed as Hungarian Americans, German (or Austrian) Americans and American Jews. After all these differences shaped the history of the Czech lands!Karasek (talk) 16:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

text: And Benedikt Ried, a German/Austrian from Lower Austria, was also called Benedikt Rejt, while Bedřich Smetana, a Czech from Litomyšl, was also called Friedrich Smetana from Leitomischl. Things aren't always that simple... Karasek (talk) 07:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Czechs or people from Bohemia

message: Aren't Henry Fonda and his family the best known Czech Americans around?! Where do they get a mention? --MacRusgail (talk) 13:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice that the wikipedia article disagrees, but I have heard other things elsewhere... --MacRusgail (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: No Henry Fonda?

message: IMHO, this article is committing a sin common to many ethnic articles. It is trying to brag. That is, it is looking for famous people to include under its umbrella. Ultimately many of us are descended from many ethnicities. But articles on ethnic groups should make meaningful distinctions. First, it should be careful about which statistics it includes. Truthfully it is probably the case that almost all Americans are of Czech descent; it's just that for most of us that ancestry is so old we don't know about it. But certainly when including famous examples the article should restrict itself to people who have a meaningful and substantial connection to their Czech heritage. A good set of criteria would be to only include famous people that fall in the following categories:
* First generation immigrants (excluding people who were too young to remember their homeland).
* Second generation immigrants who traveled regularly to the homeland and/or spoke Czech at home or maintained other major connections to the culture (i.e. something more than being in a Czech bowling league).
* Descendants who grew up in a Czech-speaking community that maintained Czech culture in some meaningful way (being part of a Czech fraternity in college doesn't count).
--Mcorazao (talk) 00:56, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Reaching

message: I see that I'm not the only one who is angered by the current state of the article. It's really insulting to all Czechs to include everyone who has ever lived in the Czech lands and then moved to the US as Czech Americans. Madeleine Albright is a Jew, not a Czech, just as many other people who are assigned the Czech ethnicity just because they lived in Bohemia at some point. Unfortunately I don’t have the time to do anything about it.--Kohelet (talk) 12:33, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: While from an ethnic standpoint, I agree, ethnic Jews and Germans should not be included in the "Czech American" article, Americans are not as good at making those distinctions. The result is that Czech Jews and German Bohemians often end up getting listed as Czech Americans (or identifying as such), but not always. Ethnic Germans from Bohemia are often just called plain German Americans…but sometimes they are called Czech Americans. Or sometimes German Bohemians. Czech Jews, it depends, they might be considered Jews, or Czech, or even German if they spoke German. It really is a mess, and there isn’t much one can do to fix it. It isn’t really Wikipedia’s fault, but simply a cultural thing. RGloucester  (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: well most Jews form the Czech lands spoke German, or Yiddish, or both as primary language/first language 78.42.252.102 (talk) 19:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect article 

message: These two phrases in the article stood out to me: "to civilize the Indians and promote Christianity," and "the free uncultivated land in America encouraged immigration throughout the nineteenth century." It would be more accurate to say "to culturally indoctrinate or assimilate Indians and convert them from their native religions to Christianity," and to say, "the land formerly used and lived on by displaced Indian nations in America was advertised in Europe as cheap and uncultivated to encourage immigration throughout the nineteenth century." A lot of indigenous Americans certainly did cultivate crops and they hunted in combination, plus they regularly burned the prairies to bring in game, which they managed though hunting techniques that kept up the health of the herds. The rich soil that we Czech American colonists farmed here was taken from others who were violently pushed off. This article should acknowledge that instead of erasing it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.100.27 (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Should Bohemians drink and do drugs and is it worse on Bohemians as it is on regular Americans send it all 166.199.234.61 (talk) 21:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American History