Talk:Ireland/Archive 2

message: *Ireland or 'Éire', capital - Dublin, also referred to as the Republic of Ireland or 'the Republic', but strictly not the 'Irish Republic'; (--213.94.217.98 09:59, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish Republic or The Republic

message: Ireland is a full member of the European Union since January 1, 1973.
This makes no sense if by "Ireland" it means the island, since EU members are states and not pieces of land. If it means the Republic, it should be on the page about the Republic. If it means that both states holding territory on the island became EU members at the same time, then it's inconsequential (as well as a rather convoluted way to express the idea). Marnanel 03:42, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)
:For all EU treaties, international agreements, and formal occasions, the official title of the state is used, that is,  "Ireland". Republic of Ireland is only an official description - despite its widespread use. The whole lot is carefully explained at Republic of Ireland. Hence, a lot of "Ireland"s in Wikipedia and elsewhere quite correctly refer to only that part of the country which left the UK.
:In this instance, it matters not, as Ireland (the Republic) and the United Kingdom of GB and NI joined at the same time.
:Zoney 10:15, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true to say that this line contributes to the confusing tendency here to use Ireland as shorthand for Republic of Ireland by default. This line belongs at Republic of Ireland/United Kingdom, but not really here unless reworded. -- Kwekubo 23:41, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, "Ireland" isn't just shorthand, it's the official name of the State! Zoney 15:07, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Membership of the EU

message: Why is this article so focused on the North-South dispute? A more regular format, like the Iceland page might be better.
Also, on the subject of Iceland - Isn't that the second largest Island in Europe? Seabhcan - 15-04-04
:Iceland is an island which is completely covered by the state also called Iceland. Ireland isn't the same. This page is about the island, and Republic of Ireland is about the Republic. Marnanel 19:50, Apr 15, 2004 (UTC)
true, but there is more to Ireland than the border. Ireland's history goes back 5000 years and has only been split for 1% of this time. Most of the Island would be exactly as it is whether the border was there or not, whereas the article give the impression that our lives revolve around it.
seabhcan 16-04-04
:Indeed, this page should sensibly discuss Ireland, the (cultural) country (not the Republic), despite the fact that since 1922 it's been split across two juristictions. However, it's somewhat inevitable that the whole issue of partition is in the article. In a way, our lives do revolve around it.
:Zoney 10:21, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is this article so focused on the North-South dispute?

message: Why is there no mention of Irish whiskey in this article?
:The article needs some well thought out sections to summarise the various topics concerning Ireland (as a whole, but not just geographically).
:Whiskey isn't the only omission from what should be on this page.
:I don't have time to go at the article right now though.
:Zoney 10:24, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whiskey? 

message: The article states that the population of Ireland dropped from 8 million to 4 million in 6 years. Shouldn't this be "60 years"?
I should be able to get hold of the real figures. I recently read that 1.5 million people died between 1841 and 1851, excluding those born between those dates (that is, children born in 1842, then dying before 1851, are not counted). Most of these would have died owing to the famine. Need to check before putting in the article.
Exile
:I believe the figure of 4 million decrease in 6 years due to death and emigration, I seem to remember something similar in history class. Then again, our history class was... not quite unbiased... (C'mon, 800 years of invasion, colonisation, and rebellion after rebellion being crushed... it's a bit hard to keep a level discourse!)
:Zoney 18:44, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famine and Population