Talk:Catholic Patriotic Association

message: Added some NPOV information.  One correction is that the unofficial church has not technically been outlawed (in contrast to Falugong).  Curiously the PRC law really doesn't have a strong concept of the banned organization.  Roadrunner 20:34, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Outlawed

message: If anyone thinks the US comparison is inappropriate, it can be moved down later in the article. It is relevant, I feel, because it shows that the Chinese attitude is not a completely isolated one that has never existed in other societies. Dpr 18:59, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you elaborate further? It begins with a transition phrase... ~ Dpr 02:03, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: I think the US comparison is a whitewash. It is an attempt to improve the public relations image of the PRC, and smears the US in the process by leaving out inconvenient details. Here are the NPOV facts: all cultures, incl. chinese and american, have a variety of people who fall on various spectrums from liberal to conservative, populist to libertarian, believer to nonbeliever, etc. That there are people in the US and people in the PRC who are leery of catholic allegiance to the pope is thus not the interesting part. The interesting part is that the US is a free speech democracy whose people debated the issue and elected JFK president over the wariness of some people, and the PRC is not and the undemocratic leadership has acted on its own "suspicions" about catholics to protect its own power and has infringed the basic human right of its people to believe what they want. The thoughts in your own head should be the most basic and protected of rights, and it's the one that the totalitarians always go after. Brassrat 13:38, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chinese attitude is not completely dissimilar to that demonstrated in many other countries throughout the history of anti-clericalism and prejudice against Catholics. For example, in the United States, candidates for public office often faced insinuations from the electorate that, if elected, these individuals would offer allegiance to a foreign power (i.e. the Vatican); such allegations were also made in regard to President John F. Kennedy before his election.
Roadrunner 06:07, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  JFK & US comparison 

message: The article says that the CPCA supports abortion.  Do we have any documentation for this?  It seems unlikely that an organization, most of whose bishops are approved by the Vatican, would go against Catholic doctrine on a point like this.  I don't know, I'm just wondering.  Frjwoolley 20:37, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: CPCA support for abortion?

message: Catholic church never declared the Chinese Catholics attending CPCA-sponsored church services to be schismatic,Elected "democratically". Valid nevertheless. Also, they are regarded as an independent Catholic churchThe Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association celebrates 50 years at a less than ideal moment—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumaterana (talk • contribs) 
:They are not one of the Independent Catholic Churches. The article cited associates the CPCA, which is not a Church, not the Roman Catholics who attend CPCA-sponsored services, with "the proposal for a Church that is 'independent' of the Holy See in the religious sphere".  Lima (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Independent, but not schizmatic

message: Is this similar to the establishment of various ex-Catholic groups in Europe (e.g. Church of England) with regards to the state selection of bishops, nationalization of property etc? 118.90.109.178 (talk) 08:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sort of like, except that the Anglican case was a cleaner, bolder break, and a break from the dominant power of Europe.  As Mark Twain said, history does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.  Jim.henderson (talk) 03:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political similarities in history (not religious) 

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