Talk:Australian War Memorial

message: I remember hearing something about the roof of the tomb of the unknown soldier being specially designed to illuminate the grave at the 11th minute of the 11th hour, can anyone confirm this (preferably someone who lives in canberra)
:I'm not aware of this being the case with the AWM but according to Ken Inglis' book Sacred Places the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne was designed with this feature, however daylight savings has altered the timing.Bureau (talk) 23:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: roof

message: Does anyone know the actual motto that goes with the basket handles on ANZAC Parade? anyone, if you do please contact us asap and there is a reward. that is only if you know — B.Bryant 23:16, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Motto

message: I believe the AWM's collection of VCs is the largest such collection in the world.  Is this true?  JackofOz 00:47, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This page claims it is the largest publicly held collectiobn in the world.  --Martyman-(talk) 00:50, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cheers for that.  I'll add that link to the Victoria Cross article as well.  JackofOz 00:58, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this page might be a better fit as it also lists the VC's at the museum.  --Martyman-(talk) 01:30, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Go for it, mate.  I'd rather you get the credit than me since you did the legwork. JackofOz 01:33, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's cool. You probably know these articles better than I do. You can add it if you think it is appropriate. --Martyman-(talk) 01:39, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, but I insist. I'm feeling good today and my generosity of spirit knows no bounds.  JackofOz 01:48, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: World's largest collection of Victoria Crosses??

message: ANZAC is certainly put in upper case when it's a stand-alone acronym.  And caps are always used on maps and road signs, so it's ANZAC PDE in those cases.  But for general reference, I would have thought it's "Anzac Parade", not "ANZAC Parade".  I've made the change in the article.  JackofOz 00:58, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anzac not in caps 

message: From the press release 
:The nation’s top award for public buildings, the prestigious RAIA Sir Zelman Cowan Award for Public Buildings, was awarded to Denton Corker Marshall for Anzac Hall at the Australian War Memorial. The project involved creating a new museum at the war memorial that was sympathetically designed to “remember the men and women who fought for Australian in theatres of war”. The jury described the result as a “powerful and contemporary form of the new building that complements the old”. --nixie 07:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Architecture

message: Can some space be found for some of these photos? --Fir0002 05:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I will have a go at re-organizing the photos tomorrow if no one beats me to it. --Martyman-(talk) 06:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I have inserted a gallery feature, as found on London building articles. This automatically builds a table of thumbnails from image names inserted one per line between tags. See here for a creative example. --Surgeonsmate 04:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: I just adjusted this article to include Kerry Stokes aquisition and kind insistance on it being displayed at AWM.  Looking at the article is there value in a subsection on the VC medal collection given that this is a significant collection or would it be making the article touristy Gnangarra 09:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thinking aloud 

message: This article looks great, much better in fact than the articles of Parliament House, Canberra and Old Parliament House, Canberra, they are terrible by comparison.  I am on a kind of mission to greatly improve the quality of these important but ignored articles. Look at United States Capitol and Michigan State Capitol! 
If you can do this for the War memorial, then surley  we can work together to boost the quality of other Important Australain Land-marks. Your help would be grealy appreciated.
Thanks ,
User:Dfrg.msc  01:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assistance is required 

message: Anyone think this is ready for feature status? – B.Bryant 02:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely not. See the featured article criteria. The most noticeable failure of this article against that criteria is the provision of references. A peer review of the article may help offer ideas for improvement.--cj | talk 02:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The article is also not comprehensive - while it discusses the building it does not talk about the AWM as (1) a toursit attraction and more importantly (2) its role in preserving and recording history.--Peta 03:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I've rated it as B-class - add references, etc. and nominate it for good article status. Carom 03:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Definitely not up to scratch. There should be some reference to recent changes, and especially to the criticisms raised, for example (most recently) in Ken Inglis' SACRED PLACES (epilogue in new 2008 edition).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlaColumna (talk • contribs) 06:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feature article? 

message: I've used the fantastic AWM website for a few years now, so I know the AWM mainly as a museum/repository: in fact, it was only really on reading this article that I realise it's actually a memorial as well.  The introductory paragraphs talk about four major elements: an Anzac Parade, a commemorative area, a museum, and a sculpture garden. The contents mention three of these but not the museum - instead it has a section on the memorial building.  Reading that section it isn't made explicit that this is the museum - it's confusing to people like me who aren't familiar with the physical set-up of the site. Jasper33 02:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a museum in the sense that the IWM is. It's a memorial, first and foremost, and the fact that it contains relics and exhibits is of secondary importance. It may seem a moot point if you only look at the physical objects in glass cases, but the distinction is crucial and goes right to the heart of the Australian collective consciousness. Attend a Dawn Service and you'll begin to understand. --Pete 03:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Museum

message: I have changed the name of the designer from Emil Sodersteen to Emil Sodersten in accordance with common usage. If you search Wikipedia you will see that the later spelling, as changed by deed poll, is the more widely used. The Australian Dictionary of Biography spells his name with one "e" in the arcticles heading.  Archifile (talk) 00:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sodersten

message: I'm reading a book about the Menin Gate, and wanted to point out here the connections between this memorial and the one in Belgium. First, the painting Menin Gate at Midnight is used to illustrate this article, but it is not mentioned in the text of the article! The reason is that the painting (originally done in London) is displayed at this memorial, something that needs to be mentioned in the text to explain why the painting is being used to illustrate this article (I would add the information, but someone needs to check first that this and other information wasn't removed by a vandal, and I don't have time to do that right now). The other connection is the lions on display at the AWM - these are the original lions that formed the Menin Gate during World War I! (At the time, the "gate" was just a road flanked by the stone lions on pedestals.) It's an amazing story, how the stone lions from Belgium ended up in Australia, eventually being restored and put on display at this memorial. I'll try and add details and references about that at some point, if no-one else does first. A source and picture for the latter bit are here and here. Source and picture for the painting and its history (and how it ended up at the AWM) are here and here. Carcharoth (talk) 04:18, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: When I first visited the AWM I always wondered about the lions but then read about it while at the AWM, I have photo of one (maybe both but in my offline collection). I'll be back in Canberra in March but I'll try and get a photo something like this. Bidgee (talk) 08:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The commissioned history of the AWM, Here is Their Spirit. A History of the Australian War Memorial 1917-1990 by Michael McKernan has a few pages on the painting. It played an important role in raising funds for the AWM's building during the 1920s and 1930s as the AWM charged an admission fee to see it (while the main museum, which was at Melbourne's exhibition building was free) and this commercial success lead the AWM to engage salesmen to sell copies of it door to door! I've induced some details on this in the John Treloar (museum administrator), but I think that the painting is highly notable in its own right. Nick-D (talk) 09:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connections with the Menin Gate 

message: where the photograph of the memorial is in the infobox, below it it has the words 'For Australian military dead of all wars'. I would suggest that it could have the word fallen in place of dead, perhaps? Cybergothiche (talk) 18:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fascinating aspect. Fallen is poetic, dead prosaic. If you see that particular war as something that descended on you against your (the nation's)  will, then fallen implies the tragedy of the situation. If it's been a war voluntarily entered, and with gusto, then dead would be more appropriate. It is only days since the NATO/5eyes war in Afghanistan was lost; no doubt the debate will be long and fierce. "The war to end all wars' was coined for the First World War, indicating that someone was war fatigued, so dead is more appropriate. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:2572:D09E:40F1:917 (talk) 05:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  caption below photo of memorial, infobox 

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replies: text: . Request is gibberish, and there appears to be no error in the article's coordinates. Deor (talk) 13:01, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headline text 

message: I agree that the article should cover the debate over the AWM's non-inclusion of the frontier wars, but the material which is being edit warred in is clearly not encyclopaedic: it's written as a one-sided polemic rather than an attempt to provide balanced coverage of this issue. Something along the lines of the last paragraph of Australian frontier wars#Historiography (which, from memory, I wrote) seems sensible. Nick-D (talk) 10:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - this material in its current form is not appropriate. No issue with its inclusion if done as suggested though. Anotherclown (talk) 10:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit warring 

message: Hi Rupert,
I was wondering whether there was a group of administrators specializing on Australian military history; and if so, who are the leading experts? There are a few pages where there has been some dispute about citations. --TheBlackandSilver (talk) 05:08, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest posting a notification at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history if you'd like other editors to weigh in on a discussion. Nick-D (talk) 05:25, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: G'day, yes, I agree with Nick. Best to post a note over at Milhist. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 08:39, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian War Historians 

message: Hi, I work at the War Memorial, and I updated the page to reflect how a lot of the information included was either out of date, or incorrect122.148.31.38 (talk) 11:30, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Updated the page