Talk:Aron Nimzowitsch

message: I'm *almost* certain that the reference to a "rapid transit tournament" in the Personality section should actually be "rapid chess tournament". Gkrogers (talk) 10:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Aron and Aaron are both used in various sources, just like different spellings of the last name exist, probably based in different transcriptions from Latvian. I don't know whether one version is more correct than another in English. For the record, it is spelled "Aron Nimzowitsch" on his tombstone in Copenhagen. --Pbn-dk 15:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: "Rapid transit" was the common name (at least in the United Staes) for an old style of speed chess, in which every game in the room used the same timer. Every 10 seconds, a buzzer would go off and if a player did not move within the 10 seconds, s/he would forfeit. By extension, the name was sometimtes applied to what is now the more usual form of speed chess, in which each game has its own chess clock and each player has a short period of total time to make all her/his moves for the game. Eventually, the term "speed chess" superceded "rapid transit". Dvd Avins (talk) 15:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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message: I think it is incorrect to call Nimzowitsch a "Latvian" chess master because 1) ethnically he was Jewish and 2) he was born in Riga while it was a Russian city. The country Latvia was established in 1920, when Nimzowitsch already for several years lived abroad.
:Such things are always difficult, but he is called a Latvian in many references. I suppose even though Latvia was not an independent country, it was still a well-defined province with a national consciousness. Arguably, the wording reflects nationality as something other than simply ethnicity or citizenship. (After other edits suddenly turned him into a Dane, I have revived the Latvian reference.) --Pbn-dk 00:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that he was Jewish has no bearing whatsoever on whether he was Latvian.  It is not clear to me who made the above unsigned comment, but whoever you are ... fyi ... one can be both Latvian and Jewish.--Epeefleche 19:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that he was not Latvian unless someone is able to document otherwise. He left Latvia during the Latvian War of Independence and did not return. At the moment he left Latvia was not a de facto country and he was not of Latvian ethnicity. Philaweb T 21:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

text:  As an ethnicity, Jewish (espeically at the the time), while not entirely mutually xclusive with Latvian, was close to that. In Eastern Europe, poeple identified themselves by their native language. One would speak Yiddish in a Yiddish town or neighborhood or farming area, or one would speak Latvian in a Latvian area. A Jew was a Jew, regardless of whether one believed in God. And such a Jew would be unlikely to call her/himself a Lat6vian except under unusual circumstances. Dvd Avins (talk) 15:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

text: At the time of AN's birth, Latvia was neither a separate state, nor a separate entity within a state. He was born a Russian citizen. Since he was neither Latvian by citizenship, ethnicity or self-identification (unless there is a proof to the contrary), it is ridiculous to list him as Latvian. He certainly was well-versed in Russian, as is attested by his book, which was published in Russia in the late 1920s. He was ethnically Jewish, born in the Russian Empire and naturalized in Denmark. The repetitive attempts to make him a Latvian is a case of a rather misplaced Latvian patriotism unworthy of an encyclopedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.88.65.200 (talk) 02:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latvian? 

message: Was he a Grandmaster? Article doesn't say.
'A.N.’s least known work is the relatively short essay “How I became a Grandmaster”, which appeared in Russian in 1929.' ChessCreator (talk) 20:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This question has come up before—see the edit history of this article in Sept and Oct 2006.  Most categories need pretty objective inclusion criteria to be useful, and the criteria we use for :Category:chess grandmasters is pretty simple.  In addition to the players awarded the title by FIDE, only the "original five" are grandfathered in, as discussed at Grandmaster.  There is some question over whether the Tsar really did name those players as grandmasters at St. Petersburg, but opening up the category to any early player possibly of GM strength would be trouble.  Clearly Nimzovitch would belong, but what would you do with a player like Staunton?  (I'd say not GM strength, but the point is very debatable.)  It's also interesting that Elo's list doesn't include Morphy, although that's probably because Morphy's career was so short.  (His fame is based on fewer than 200 games, many of them at odds or not played under tournament conditions.)  These straightforward criteria mean that GM-strength players before 1950 won't be in the GM category, but that's the way it goes.  We used to have an article Grandmasters without the title (now a redirect, but you can look at the talk page and the edit history of the redirect page to see what it once looked like), but it's hard to make that subject NPOV and verifiable.  I have sometimes wondered if the category shouldn't be renamed FIDE Grandmasters to avoid these questions, but that's a phrase that is rarely used and seems unnecessarily awkward. Quale (talk) 07:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole question of what exactly a Grandmaster is, is unclear. I think we better discuss it in a central place Talk:Grandmaster (chess) ChessCreator (talk) 14:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Grandmaster

message: Here I have to intfere to correct on Nimzovich was not "latvian born" but was "russian-born",with Livonia being part of Russia in time of his birth.Nimzovich probably didn't even speak latvian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank Russian (talk • contribs) 07:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nimzovich was russian jew 

message: Someone who understands the Wikipedia regimen and syntax for bibliographic references should please clean up this lovely article! Thanks! JacquesDelaguerre (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliographic references 

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message: There is a "citation needed" in the article at: It is said that 99 out of 100 chess masters have read Mein System.  It appears to me that this may originally source to ezinearticles.com/?Chess---Aron-Nimzowitsch---Its-Hard-to-Be-3rd&id=3120551.  However, that site is blacklisted, so it's not easy to add it as a source.  Also, I'm not sure it's a worthy source, anyway.  The source, Paul Powell, is not a notable chess champion, as far as I can tell.  Also, the source says that chess champions have either read Nimzowitsch's book or they "must have acquired the knowledge in this book'. - I'm not that crazy (talk) 13:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The high regard in which My System is held can be supported by many reliable sources, and with quotations from prominent chess players (example); we don't need this specific claim in the article. Toccata quarta (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  99 of 100 read his book 

message: The article has it as singular "idiot" but I believe the German translates to plural, "idiots" even though he was of course playing just one opponent.--Jrm2007 (talk) 19:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Gegen takes the accusative case; "diesen" and "Idioten" are the accusative singular forms of dieser and Idiot respectively. MaxBrowne (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand. But I do nonetheless recall not the German but simply the translated statement as being plural. The plural of idiot in German is idioten, isn't it? If so, could the meaning be ambiguous?--Jrm2007 (talk) 05:16, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, there is no ambiguity. Gegen takes the accusative case, so "against these idiots" would be "gegen diese Idioten". MaxBrowne (talk) 05:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  For what it's worth, Google translate shows it as plural. The important thing is, what did Nimzowitsch actually say? I believe the quote may have been in one of Edward Lasker's books and Lasker spoke both good English and perfect German and knew Nimzowitsch. It also is the kind of "softening" (very limited softening) of an insult; it is sort not directed at his immediate opponent. This is mildly serious; even if you are native speaker of German, the German provided here might be wrong and I would like to get then the correct German and translation in an article about this great man.--Jrm2007 (talk) 05:32, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  "For what it's worth" - it's a machine translation, it's worth nothing. Like many German words Idiot is inflected in singular form, as the wiktionary article I linked to shows. There is no confusion to a native German speaker or anyone familiar with German grammar. I don't know of any source for the German version. MaxBrowne (talk) 05:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

text:  Okay. BTW, since you mention Wall: I can clear up one thing. Years ago I asked Lasker by letter (the reply now lost) whether he met Einstein. He said he never did. It's the kind of question a teenage chess player who also liked Einstein stuff would have asked and I would remember. Sad my mom tossed the postcard -- that's moms for ya.--Jrm2007 (talk) 05:49, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of "gegen diesen idoten..." 

message: Actually no it isn't, more like an often repeated anecdote which is usually exaggerated. Various versions have him scattering the pieces all over the place, throwing his king across the room etc, usually in crappy internet articles along the lines of "ha ha, look how weird those chess players are". I believe the story originated with Kmoch, who claimed to have heard it from Saemisch. This is about as close to a reliable source as exists for the incident, so it should be reported only as a rumour or anecdote, not as a fact, and especially not with the lazy "once". Unlike most internet chess writers (I'm looking at you Bill Wall) we need to report facts, not amusing apocryphal stories retold for entertainment value. MaxBrowne (talk) 05:32, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As always Edward Winter has some relevant details. Cobblet (talk) 06:25, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Well attested incident" 

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