Talk:Irresistible grace

message: I've added a "limited template", because this article narrowly focuses on Calvinism. Efficacious grace, however, is not restricted to Calvinism, as shown by the debates of the Congregatio de Auxiliis and between Jesuits and Jansenists. In two words, classical Augustinists and Thomists asserted simultaneously human free will & efficacious grace, while Calvinists claimed (at least according to the Catholic Church) that there was only efficacious grace and that man could not resist to it (depriving him of his free will). St Augustine claimed, on his part, that God's efficacious grace made man unwanting to resist to it; hence, he could voluntarily resist to divine grace, but, because of the efficacious nature of this grace, did not want to resist to it. An ambiguous doctrine, for sure... Whatever the case, this article should not be limited to Calvinism. Furthermore, maybe adding some more recent examples of the Catholic Roman Church's doctrines concerning it would improve the article. Spirals31 (talk) 17:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Calvinist doctrine follows Augustine on this matter (cf. Jonathan Edwards's Freedom of the Will), though Calvinists do say that efficacious grace is properly called irresistible. --Flex (talk/contribs) 22:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying the Calvinist do or do not, I'm simply saying that the question of "efficacious grace" belongs to Christianism in general rather than specifically Calvinism. Your very reference to Augustine implies very much the same. Spirals31 (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not an expert in the field but isn't the doctrine of "irresistible grace" rather a anti-thomist doctrine? Thomism, and particulary the dominicans, has a augustinan root; but the outcome of Thomism is rather free will and aristotelism than predestination and platonism...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.230.159.65 (talk) 15:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
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