Talk:Gran Turismo 5 Prologue

message: Just tell me how to improve the article. Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.179.105 (talk) 19:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can i improve The Gran turismo 5 Prologue Article? 

message: C'mon lets put AV, PD, SCEE and GT5P Reduce Bytes  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.138.120 (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop doing this, Wikipedia is not about saving bytes it is about providing information. No one knows what any of those shortened acronyms means. Also you have violated the 3 revert rule so please stop editing this page until you have read Wikipedia's rules on it. Strongsauce (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: Hello, a request has been left at the assessment department for the article to be assessed, resulting in this post. I've kept the game at start class and rated it low importance. The article is very strong in terms of referencing and a punchy writing style, but until enough data is available for gameplay and reception to be filled out upgrading to B class seems premature. The article's in good hands, but could I offer a few suggestions:
*The article lead isn't something that you can do a lot with till the article's built, but it doesn't actually state what GT5P actually is, a mini version of a forthcoming racing game. The details there are all nice and good but any reader not intimately familiar with the subject already will be wondering what sold 250k units in Japan and costs 4980 yen.
*Both the concept subheading and the statement under it seem redundant. Surely 'Prologue' is a reference to GT5, not GT4P, the statement is confusing. If GT4P needs mentioning at all then perhaps the development section would be a better place?
*The overview heading serves no purpose, why not use Gameplay as the main header and leave the subheadings as is?
*As more information becomes available it would be good to build up the usual suspects (gameplay, reception, development) and fold all the other details into them. It's another reason for not rating the article B at this time, what's currently given a lot of exposure will be minor points given less space as the article evolves.
*Try to disentangle the free demo part of the article, there's details which could slot in elsewhere mixed up with other info which would probably belong in 'development'.
*The 'SEMA Show 2007 demo' heading could be a subheading under development, or part of a demo subheading under development. The three short paragraphs could easily be one larger paragraph.
*References are inconsistently formatted, some are raw URLs whereas others seem to use cite web formar, update them to cite web when you get the chance, with writers and publishers credited. Some references are before the full stop, others after. There are a few external links within the article space, they need referencing.
I'm impressed with the data contained in this article and looking forward to seeing it fill out, well done! Be sure to relist the article at the assessment department when you want more feedback. Someoneanother 00:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject videogame assessment

message: What is the point of the huge list in the Interface section? Seems to be unnecessary information that's being added and borders on being an instruction manual for the "My Page" of the game.
Also the Updates section just seems to be a whole bunch of listcruft and again seems to be unnecessary to this article in a "list form." Example: The Traditional Chinese version released in South East Asia on February 1 is basically the same as the original version except it lacks some GT-TV videos. The game was first updated on February 15 to activate online features.[16] What exactly does this sentence provide to someone reading this article? 
Note that just because information exists does not mean it needs to be placed into Wikipedia. Strongsauce (talk) 00:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: my... and why don't go edit another article? you've done nothing good here, except formating URL. Cliché Online (talk) 02:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You do not "own articles"  so barring me actually committing vandalism I am free to edit whatever articles I want. You introduce new sections that don't abide by Wikipedia's Manual of Style so I have to go through and cleanup the terrible grammar and improperly sourced material of the article. Strongsauce (talk) 02:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: you are only formating URLs and removing entire sections of a game you don't have and you don't have a clue about. now you want to remove the interface section which is the article's core, what's your plan? removing everything and rewriting the article from scratches? you have to show more respect to other's work, especially when they have turned a mere stub into an actual article. Cliché Online (talk) 02:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have not removed entire sections, The only section I removed was the SEMA award show which has nothing to do with GT5 Prologue so I removed it. I have only attempted to condense and copyedit sections that were badly written. Anything I have added (e.g. the Documentary section) was information I read from a website. That doesn't require me to have the game to be able to write that down. If you did turn this stub into an article, congrats I guess, but your poorly written grammar and badly sourced information hurts the readability of the article. Strongsauce (talk) 02:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "your poorly written grammar and badly sourced information" this is not my fault if you are a slow learner and can't read japanese. editing an article about something you don't know is pure nonsense. the documentary is irrelevant and doesn't need a proper section, this short documentary is only a GT-TV video among many others, but since you don't have the game, and know little about it, you don't know about this. your site didn't told you that. Cliché Online (talk) 03:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The "you can't read japanese" comment is stupid. this is EN.wikipedia.org. ENGLISH.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.28.8.1 (talk) 14:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent additions as well as Updates section 

message: Yes, Cliché Online, you've succeeded in driving (pun intended?) me out of the article. It's just not worth my time to reply to your constant incivility  and condescending tone. You claim that I shouldn't edit this article because I don't have the game but does that also mean that an editor can only edit Scuderia Ferrari if they are actually on the racing team? If so then we better find someone on the team to write that article! Besides, the only people who even have this game are people living in Asia and the importers. Yet that doesn't somehow prevent me from reading an article on IGN and putting it into the article. If we had it your way then we'd never be able to write about any videogame until it actually came out.
But guess what, in a couple of days Europeans will be getting the game and in about a month the game will be released in North America so then you'll have to relinquish your control of the article. So I've decided to just give up helping this article because in a couple of days others will have to deal with you instead. People who are probably just as strongly opinionated about the game as you are but hopefully with better sentence structure/grammar and understanding of Wikipedia's policies. Considering you are putting in huge amounts of text into the article your lack of grammar needs to be brought up since you are bringing the quality of the article down.
I originally started editing the article mainly because I was trying to help turn this article into an eventual good/featured article. Gran Turismo is an important series for the PlayStation with no good articles/featured articles in the series (only looked at GT series and Additional releases). With some work I felt that with some work it could definitely get there.
For the record, I never added anything that required me to have the game. I mainly tried to restructure the article's paragraphs into proper sections with improved sentences and grammar. I also added proper references (some of them were links enclosed in  tags) and checked to see if the source actually contains a proper reference (many of them didn't). I mainly ignored cited sources that referenced Japanese articles but somehow Cliche Online turns this into some attack about my lack of understanding Japanese. (also: this)
I will be keeping GT5 on my watchlist for the time being to revert any vandalism or to do wikignome type maintenance work.  I've made one more edit to the article noting that it needs to be cleaned up. 
Strongsauce (talk) 04:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: don't forget you are the arrogant one, coming here with little edits, removing entire sections written by others, and causing edit conflicts while the "inuse tag" was used to prevent this. you've done little to this article but made me waste my time. your wikignome work formatting URL is generally done by useful yet modest users, not arrogant ones like you. i'm glad to see you're leaving this article, i think it's a good thing since your knowledge to the subject was weak as you admitted yourself, not knowledge of cars, the game itself et cetera. a last thing the discussion page is not meant to be a drama place! cheers. Cliché Online (talk) 11:27, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: this again? nobody cares about your withdrawal! should each editor had to post a long speech each time he is stopping to edit an article? i don't think so. moreover in your case you're still here. don't you have better things to do than polluting this talk page with your ego like heading for easter eggs. Cliché Online (talk) 14:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Withdrawing from the article 

message: i've purged this talk page due to recent updates brought to the article and editors conflict. all discussions can still be found in the archive box. Cliché Online (talk) 12:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cliche Online is just trying to hide criticism about his edits to this article. I have put my complaint about him claiming ownership of the article back onto the main talk page since it was only added yesterday. I'm not trying to start "drama", I'm only following Wikipedia's policy per WP:OWN which states, "...Or, if someone else is claiming "ownership" of a page, you can bring it up on the associated talk page, appeal to other contributors, or consider the dispute resolution process." Strongsauce (talk) 13:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: hey kid, haven't you just said you were withdrawing from the article? why are you hanging around here playing some ridiculous drama nobody cares about?! nothing is hidden since everything is saved in the archive box including the "editors conflicts", can't you read english properly maybe? now wouldn't you be a good kid and forget about this article to go edit somewhere else. wikipedia is not a place for such dramas and you have made me waste enough time because of your ignorance and arrogance. learn about the game, learn about wikipedia policies and come back later if you can be useful to the article. thanks. Cliché Online (talk) 14:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again feel free to continue editing the main article but do not archive the talk page just because there is criticism against you. If you feel that this criticism is wrong, feel free to defend yourself. I am merely alerting other editors to what I feel is another editor claiming ownership of the article. Strongsauce (talk) 14:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Purge is done on talk pages, this is not new. it had to be done since the talk page was filled with old stuff. you should be thankful. Cliché Online (talk) 14:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: talk archive

message: new contents should be available in the japanese version as maintenance has been announced in the japanese PD website. maintenance regarding, mypage, car dealer and servers will be done from March 24 to 28  which coincides with the PAL release.  . better keep an eye on this to mention evolution on the article. Cliché Online (talk) 17:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: japanese version update

message: i've noticed a british removed the english language site (link) for the hongkongese version. english language is the official language in hong kong, that means people from there would check the english language wikipedia. don't forget THIS is the english language version for wikipedia not wikipedia for england.... Cliché Online (talk) 18:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. 1) I'm not British; 2) I didn't realise the official language of Hong Kong was English. Problem solved. Fin©™ 20:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: what's wrong with hong kong?

message: the brand new GT worldwide site has opened, with an additional online support website. i've noticed they now call the game "Spec II", probably for its huge update coming with the PAL version hence version 2.0. i'm looking forward to learn more about this "Spec II". maybe US version will be named "Spec III". Cliché Online (talk) 20:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: not so long for a waiting, GTPlanet has posted news regarding specII. Cliché Online (talk) 22:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: now japanese version has been confirmed to get Spec II update on march 28. :) Cliché Online (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: detailed update spec II :) Cliché Online (talk) 07:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is a Spec III version, is it a download of the game, or do you have to buy a new GTP5 game?? Androo123 (talk) 01:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GT5P Spec II

message: regarding cart list this has been talked about before here. check the archived discussion. I don't think there gonna be one because as much as I like carlists there are not such lists in other similar articles. Cliché Online (talk) 13:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the GT5: Prologue (spec II) game, and it doesn't seem to have 76 cars, it looks more like 30-40 cars. Maybe I have to count. Androo123 (talk) 01:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, the american version has 63 cars, not 71-76. If they had 70+ cars, the backcover would have stated "now with over 70 cars" instead of "now with over 60 cars". 24.203.182.78 (talk) 17:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: car list

message: Could somebody help me insert the NA Download release date April 15? Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.190.159 (talk) 17:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  North America Download on April 15 2007 

message: I don't follow F1 racing but doesn't Michael Schumacher drive the Ferrari?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.190.159 (talk) 17:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He quit after 2006. --328cia (talk) 17:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After winning 7 times he decided to stop.Androo123 (talk) 01:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  michael schumacher? Not kimi? 

message: I am an SCEA (Sony Computer Entertainment America) Delta tester so please ask me questions to ensure all the additional information is 100% accurate. P.S. Kazunori Yamauchi and Polyphony Digital are releasing an update in Autumn that contains car damage. Thank you.
:No.  That is not the way Wikipedia works.  All information must be cited from a published, reliable source.  An anonymous claim of "I am a Delta tester" is not a reliable source, and we do not change information simply because a user says so.  April 15th is not the release date of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue in North America, so your information is not factually accurate.  The official PlayStation site still lists the release date as April 17th. The359 (talk) 21:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. I agree with the person above, and Autumn is over now until next year, so there will be no update, and Kazunori Yamauchi is NOT going to release an update in autmun that contains car damage, car makers such as Ferrari have not given polyphony digital the permission to include damage on their cars, the next game that we could possibly see crash damage in is Gran Turismo 5, BUT NEVER in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue.--John-joe123 (talk) 10:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ask me before editing please. 

message: This person comes across as a complete idiot! My goodness, get a life and don't be the self assigned oracle of all things Gran Turismo! I've not seen stuff like you since I left primary school!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.198.121 (talk) 16:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: looks like a personal attack to me. from who? an xbox fanboy jealous about the game being full hd 1080p :P get a life (and a full hd tv) kid! the game is 1080p and everyone knows it so stop your useless vandalism. Cliché Online (talk) 20:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

text: errmmmmmm... I have a HD TV and a PS3, Xbox and Wii so am just a fan of games. And it was a personal attack on you, so at least you got one thing right!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.93.6 (talk) 23:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cliché Online 

message: Eiger Nordwand is a fantasy track in a real-life location. What about London? There is no real-life circuit running through the streets of London as far as I know. It's like the Opera Paris track in GT4 -- a fantasy track in a real location. Circuit de Monaco (Côte D'Azur Circuit in GT4) would be a real track in a real-life location. What is the difference between fictitious and real-life in the track section of the article? Lavenderbunny (talk) 19:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fantasy Tracks 

message: This section went on, without citing sources, to claim that the mech from Omega Boost, among other things, would be updated into GT5:P. I went ahead and deleted it, seeing as it is..well..rubbish, really. Uncited and so far fetched it' not even funny.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.28.8.1 (talk) 14:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absurdity of "episodic content" section 

message: the game's video output is 1080p so please watch the infobox entries about it, there are some jealous xbox fanboy vandals out there trying to add false informations (with no source of course). by the way the very same thing happens to the MGS4 article all the time, there are some troubles with PS3 exclusive blockbuster articles out there. Cliché Online (talk) 20:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 
720p
?? >> 1080p

message: I chose to merge this article on the grounds that this is, as stated in the article, a sampling, or a demo, of Gran Turismo 5. And as it stands, there is no size issue with merging them or any issue besides "they're separate releases", which has never been a valid argument. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling it a version of GT5 is not a good argument. Separate versions don't just get their own reasons because, why is this one so special? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: I will stop reverting the edits that take away the updates section of the GT5 prologue article from now on, BUT I really really do not see what is wrong with having a list of updates about a videogame on wikipedia, whether its a featured article or not,it adds more important information about the article, and nobody ever brought up the subject of or tried to take away the updates list section until the new age retro hippy started editing the article, BUT perphaps we could come to some agreement about this and maybe we could have a vote about whether the list of updates stays there or not, if it is voted not to stay there, then I'm perfectly O.K about that.--Fdggffd (talk) 20:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a crufty list of a game updates. It adds nothing to the article. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

text: See WP:GAMECRUFT. Thanks! Fin©™ 00:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Updates List

message: Hello everyone, 
I have a question. I´ve bought one month ago a Playstation 3 with GT5P and GTA IV. However, I do not understand the concept of GT5P. Is this game made to play it only Online or how should I understand it? With best regards--188.97.5.151 (talk) 18:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question 

message: I hear Spec II and III a lot. When I bought the game it says it is Spec II, and I got the Spec III update. Was there ever a Spec I version, and what did it include. Also can we have a list of all the updates from Spec II to III. Androo123 (talk) 03:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The original version was Spec I? 

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