Template talk:SI unit lowercase

message: newton (N)named forSir Isaac Newton	For units named after a person (not counting "degrees Celsius"), the official SI rule is that the first letter of the abbreviated form is always capitalized (e.g., N), but the actual name is treated as a usually lowercase common noun (e.g., newton).
How's this? A "usually lowercase common noun" is valid for English and other languages such as French, but the "common noun" retains its validity in German where common nouns are also capitalized. The "degree Celsius" exception is moved slightly out of the way. Most importantly, the correct form is seen clearly on the left. A person picture could be more appropriate than the SI picture. --Geoffrey 03:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has all the bad things I mentioned above--plus the additional spacing problems in the person's name in that second cell.  Gene Nygaard 04:37, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Years ago (well, almost ;)) I have provided six variants (sic) of this template and no one seems to have noticed them. In the end I don't know what to do about the problem. For articles that I edit myself I'll try following the right convention. As to other articles, it seems that there's not much willing to solve the issue. --Gennaro Prota 12:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A suggestion for major rephrase 

message: This box is absolutely hideous and intrusive.  A bright yellow border is not in any way attractive and it's very distracting to catch a glimpse of.  This sort of formatting is not used anywhere else on wikipedia and with good reason.  Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hideous 

message: The template is wrong.  It states that the SI unit "degree Celsius" is an exception to the lowercase rule.  This unit is not an exception, since it begins with a lowercase letter: "d".  The fact that it has a capital C in the middle is a weird anomaly that is not relevant to any other unit, so does not need to be mentioned in this template. --Heron 18:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really care about what anybody says about this 'lower case' spelling of any unit. As far as I'm concerned, if a unit is capitalised, like 'C' or 'F', then I prefer to spell as Coulomb, Farad etc, with capital C for Coulomb, and capital F for Farad. That is for consistency. 1 C for 1 Coulomb. 1 F for 1 Farad. As for whoever made up the "lower case" convention, I don't agree with it. Although, I do understand that the lower-case format is to make documents look better - without needing to have attention-drawing capital letters in among usual text. But the choice of 'case' for the leading character should be optional in my opinion. KorgBoy (talk) 11:42, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong about degree Celsius 

message: Right now, the template says this:
"This SI unit is named after . As with all SI units whose names are derived from the proper name of a person, the first letter of its symbol is uppercase (). But when an SI unit is spelled out, it should always be written in lowercase (), unless it begins a sentence or is the name "degree Celsius"."
1) This text is clearly wrong about degree Celsius. Degree Celsius is not an exception; it is actually in keeping with the rule. The SI brochure clearly states: "In keeping with this rule, the correct spelling of the name of the unit with the symbol °C is "degree Celsius" (the unit degree begins with a lower-case d and the modifier Celsius begins with an upper-case C because it is a proper name)". 
2) The text also ignores the fact that an SI unit may be written with an uppercase starting letter "in capitalized material such as a title".
I will change the text to something correct, and then it can be discussed if the wording should be different. Wikipedia should not state something clearly wrong while this is been discussed. 
I will change it into this:
"This SI unit is named after . As with all SI units whose names are derived from the proper name of a person, the first letter of its symbol is uppercase (). But, in English, when an SI unit is spelled out, it should always start with a lowercase letter (), except at the beginning of a sentence or in capitalized material such as a title. Note that e.g. "degree Celsius" is in keeping with this rule."
The reader can then follow the link to the brochure if she wants to read the details.
--Jhertel (talk) 06:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really care about what anybody says about this 'lower case' spelling of any unit. As far as I'm concerned, if a unit is capitalised, like 'C' or 'F', then I prefer to spell as Coulomb, Farad etc, with capital C for Coulomb, and capital F for Farad. That is for consistency. 1 C for 1 Coulomb. 1 F for 1 Farad. As for whoever made up the "lower case" convention, I don't agree with it. Although, I do understand that the lower-case format is to make documents look better - without needing to have attention-drawing capital letters in among usual text. But the choice of 'case' for the leading character should be optional in my opinion. KorgBoy (talk) 11:42, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, it is wrong