Talk:Phoenix (1980 video game)

message: I recently found an old Phoenix acarde in a good condition, produced by an italien vendor. It has a one-axis-joystick mounted to the front panel. I edited the article accordingly and will deliever a photo as soon as I cleaned it.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.153.75.159 (talk) 15:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Joystick

message: What is the intro music that plays when you start a game? Is it a known classical piece? It's familiar... Taniwha (talk) 21:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro Music 

message: The game was first developed by Amstar Electronics and subsequently licensed by Centuri and Taito.  See the references in the article, or consult the MAWS database (original Amstar version ; Centuri versions 1  and 2 ), and observe the screenshots (Amstar , Centuri 1 , and Centuri 2 ); also see this flyer from Centuri (page 1, page 2; the game is "mfg. under license from Amstar Electronics Corp." Spacepotato (talk) 23:18, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are relying too much on websites like mameworld and arcade-history, neither of which are listed as reliable sources at WP:VG/RS. However, the third source you added, Racing the beam: the Atari Video computer system, certainly meets the WP:RS standards since it's published by the MIT Press, so there's really no need for mameworld or arcade-history. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 06:01, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Racing the Beam is actually a good source for this under the circumstances because the game is only mentioned in passing a few times in the book proper and the reference to Amstar is merely in a list of games near the end of the book that was probably compiled using the mameworld/arcade-history data in the first place.  I have found a mention in the December 24, 1980 issue of the Miami News, however, of Centuri licensing the game from Amstar (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=HrYlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vvMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5992,789319&dq=amstar-electronics&hl=en).  That seems pretty solid to me. Indrian (talk) 09:48, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Going back to this, interviews with staff at Centuri and other publications have stated that game was developed in Japan. The Japanese book cited in the article states a different licensor in Japan to Taito and I haven't found any contemporary source stating that they created the game, let alone created it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Developer

message: Surely this is Tehkan? They developed the sequel, which is definitely a sequel as it shares assets and has very similar sprite design. Tehkan Phoenixes do exist, as shown here and here. They would also most definitely be a "smaller Japanese developer" at this point. 72.11.34.147 (talk) 11:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Might as well follow up with this. Outside that one, one-off line from the previous version of the article and a newspapers source, the developer only seems to be some Japanese dev. From the original research provided, the answer is "possibly?" but nobody has seemed to find anything conclusive. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:50, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Actual developer

message: Manually created low quality sounds seem to be present in the Taito Legends PlayStation 2 port of Phoenix, even though the short background music starting the first screen (each time around) seems arcade-correct. This means players are not getting a true experience of the game with overly loud/irritating sounds for everything except the player ship shots and player ship explosion when hit by an enemy shot or rammed. This apparently escaped (i.e., a missed bug that made it into the release) three different video game entities including Taito, Empire, and Sega (as the publisher). It may indicate they didn't check using an actual Phoenix machine (Centuri or Taito distributed) and just used an emulation source? 76.122.221.218 (talk) 16:20, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate arcade sounds in Taito Legends PlayStation 2 port 

message: I tried to re-write the article with cleaned up sources and other content. If there was anything really missing from the last one, please re-add it, but I think i've clarified most of the valuable information from the old version into the current article. Look forward to anyone's comments/etc. on this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-write