Talk:Opera window

message: I reverted this to the last stable version--the revisions which added content contradicted the version that had existed on several pints, as well as adding POV to the article. Additionally, there were no sources added to support the changes. All very dodgy, in my opinion. 87.210.41.124 15:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your edit. However, going back to the previous version was not an improvement. The so-called contradictions were because the previous versions were in error. There is now documentation for the information described in this article. I hope you will agree that it now has better description of the subject. Nevertheless, please be specific as to the "dodgy" aspects.  Thanks -- CZmarlin 01:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Dodgy" was referring to the unsourced edits that contradicted the original edits. Really, if you're going to do a 180 on the article, you have to support the changes with a source. Otherwise, those who watch the article are going to be suspicious.
The article is much better now. I have removed one sentence and two words from another to make a paragraph NPOV. For the rest, you improved the article. 87.210.41.124 12:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stable version

message: :Automotive designers hoped that incorporating opera windows in their cars would serve as a marketing tool by helping to evoke in consumers' minds the elegance and romance of a night at the opera.
Source?  I feel like I'm being trolled...hard. Viriditas (talk) 12:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Night at the opera?

message: I don't recall the path of following one article, to another, to another, that led me to Opera window, but on finding that article, and reading the description thereof, it clicked in my mind that my new car, a 2016 Dodge Dart had a feature very much like that.  After few cycles of going outside and examining the window in question on my car, and going back in and reading the article, I concluded that what my car has is indeed an opera window, consistent with what this article describes.  I updated the article to include the 2013-2016 Dodge Dart among the vehicles listed as having this feature, and added pictures of the window in question on my car.
  Some time after that, it seems, CZmarlin removed my images, with the explanation, “This type of modern car window design is not typically described as an ‘opera window””.
  I have to ask, why not?
  It seems that any rational, consistent, objective definition that includes all the other examples shown in the article, would also include this.  It's a relatively-small window, located in the C-Pillar of a sedan, which appears to be the definition of an opera window, as described in the article.  It also serves the purposes which the article describes opera windows as having, of mitigating the blind spots created by the wide C-Pillars, and of providing extra window area to help rear-seat passengers feel less claustrophobic.
  I do not see how being on a modern car, in a modern style, makes it not an opera window.  I see no objective distinction between this, and the other examples given in the article, of opera windows; to support excluding it from that definition.
— Bob Blaylock (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 22:01, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers! The window you have pictured is called a fixed quarter glass. Please note that Wikipedia is to have referenced information. There are countless of current vehicles that have a window in the corner or "C-pillar" of the vehicle. However, they are not referred to as "opera window" as described in the article. Please do not try to establish your own definition, but provide a credible source that defines the current design as "opera window" - Thanks, CZmarlin (talk) 22:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:   So what is the definition of an opera window? Looking over the articles for opera window and quarter glass, it seems to me that the window from my Dodge Dart (and also shown in the quarter glass article on a Prius) look much more like they conform to what is being described in the opera window article than what is being described in the quarter glass article; though I think  case could be made, from both articles, that opera window is a subset of quarter glass.  As far as I can tell, the best objective definition so far for an opera window, based on the article, is a relatively small window, located in the C pillar.  If you do not think that this is a valid definition, then please suggest a better one. — Bob Blaylock (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:   You're telling me, “Please do not try to establish your own definition, but provide a credible source that defines the current design as ‘opera window’”, but what definition are you using, and by what credible source is it established?  I certainly do not see anything in the opera window article that suggests any objective definition that the window on my Dart does not fit. — Bob Blaylock (talk) 23:55, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is this not an opera window?