Talk:Mike Magee (journalist)

message: There still seem to be no sources which support the biographical information. Nobody has written a biography of this person. Where does the information about his biography, personal life, occult activities come from? If not from a reliable third-party source, it is still all a WP:BLP violation. I am renominating for deletion. This article should not have been recreated. GlassFET 16:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of sources 

message: What sources do we have that confirm that Mike Magee the journalist is the same as Mike Magee the occultist? Any? GlassFET 22:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The subject is well aware of the article and has not objected (except to its deletion . Also I strongly suspect it was him that added most of the occult section (yes I know that's frowned upon). If you email Mike Magee at The Inquirer he will confirm he is the same person. Also he'll have a field day with this in The Inquirer as usual. Probably with a headline like "Whackypedia says there's two of me" going by past form... For the record I know him slightly. Citizensmith 22:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The occult stuff is interesting, and I figured it was Magee or someone who knew him who added it in, it's just that we need published sources for it.  If those were provided we could add this back in.--Bigtimepeace | talk |  contribs 23:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry Mike, for that suggestion - my mistake I really meant to suggest someone in direct contact with you and able to verify some of the info personally had added it - which was later confirmed. I realised my mistake in attributing the edit to you directly afterwards. Citizensmith 18:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  One Mike Magee or two 

message: I've deleted about 90% of this article, stripping it down to a stub class.  We know he founded The Register and The Inquirer so I left that in, and we also know he was named one of the 100 important people in UK e-commerce (there's a source for it) so I left that in too.  Other material (such as the stuff on the occult, if it's true) can be added back in (even drawing on the pages in the history) but only if reliable sources are provided.--Bigtimepeace | talk |  contribs 22:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please understand, in deleting the sections provided I was actually hoping to help save this entire article from being deleted because I think Magee is notable enough to have an article--i.e. I was not using any "shady tactics" in removing the material.  With all of the unsourced biographical material you had included, I think the chances for deletion were much higher.  Wikipedia has strict rules about biographies of living persons (see WP:BLP) so the standard for sourcing is pretty high.  I don't doubt that the article you created is generally accurate and as I said above the occult stuff is interesting and would be fully worthy of inclusion if properly sourced.  Rather than simply listing various publications Magee has to his credit though, can you, or someone else, actually cite those publications directly (i.e. within the article) to establish his work in occult or other areas?  That would be helpful, even if the sources are not accessible online.  As you probably know your version of the article is fully accessible via the history pages, and much of it could be added back in if and when the sourcing was improved.  In that sense my deletions need not be permanent, and so long as the article does not get deleted there is no rush to put this stuff back in without sources because Wikipedia has no deadline. I hope this helps.--Bigtimepeace | talk |  contribs 08:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added back a lot of the earlier deleted stuff with edits and added some decent sources for verification. His work within tantra & the occult has been very important and influential within that subculture, thus it certainly belongs in the article. --Rodneyorpheus (talk) 16:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive deletion 

message: Please do not simply remove the request for a history merge. Here is the history. The article was deleted via AfD. It was restored to user space at User:Citizensmith/Mike Magee (journalist). It was edited by that user and then cut and pasted into place here. All the previous history has been lost and the article is not solely the work of the editor who cut and pasted it. Please fix it. The history will also be available in the deleted article. This article has a long history, and that history should not simply be discarded in violation of the GFDL. GlassFET 15:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, my bad. Sorry I missed the history merge reason. It just looked like an inappropriate db template got stuck in there. Thirty Hail Marys ... richi 16:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No prob. Just hope it gets fixed. GlassFET 16:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Please note that I did not edit the article or trim it down to its current size. This was done by other editors. Also note that the reason given by others for the mass deletion of info was that it was (in their opinion) not verifiable and therefore could not stay. It subsequently passed an AFD (Keep) partly because of the mass deletion. Also the subject (Magee) has stated clearly that he prefers the article in its current shortened form (although he didn't object to the lengthier one explicitly). Citizensmith 15:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is asking for the article to be lengthened. It's just that even in it's shortened state, the exact wording is derived from numerous previous edits and was  not the work of the editor who cut and pasted it or the editor who removed the bulk of the article. In any case, it has now been fixed to my satisfaction. GlassFET 15:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History merge 

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