Talk:Derek Hartley

message: One notability criterion shared by nearly all of the subject-specific notability guidelines, as well as Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, is the criterion that a topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works, whose sources are independent of the subject itself.  
* What constitutes "published works" is broad and encompasses published works in all forms, including but not limited to newspapers, books and e-books, magazines, television and radio documentaries, reports by government agencies, scientific journals, etc.
* The "independence" qualification excludes all self-publicity, advertising by the subject, self-published material, autobiographies, press releases, and other such works affiliated with the subject, its creators, or others with a vested interest or bias.
* "Non-triviality" is an evaluation of the depth of content contained in the published work, exclusive of mere directory entry information, and of how directly it addresses the subject.
* The "multiple" qualification is not specific as to number, and can vary depending on the reliability of the sources and the other factors of notability. For example, several newspapers all publishing the same article from a news wire service is not a multiplicity of works, while several researchers or journalists all doing their own research on a single subject and writing their own separate articles do constitute "multiple" sources.
* "Reliable", as explained in the reliability guidelines, requires the source to have a certain level of editorial integrity in order to allow for a verifiable evaluation of the topic's notability.
One rationale for this criterion is the fact that sources independent of a subject have noted that subject in depth (by creating multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works about it) demonstrates that it is notable.
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Derek has added a link to his employer, one of their press releases and self-promotional interviews   (one of which he has used as two separate sources). The only other piece that Hartley has come up with that might qualify is this one from ExpressGayNews. It's a piece from a local GLBT publication in Fort Lauderdale, Florida that self-proclaims a local circulation of 20,000. It is self-promotional in nature and among other things mentions a book that Hartley has been claiming for years he's authored and is going to be published. No such book has ever materialized.
Even if any of the sources qualified to make Hartley notable, he hasn't followed the manual of style for Citing sources.
The only thing Hartley has demonstrated with his links is that he works for SIRIUS and is a self- promoter. Check out the article for Alhambra, California and Fredericksburg, Virginia. Hartley added himself to the list of famous natives under his Spacuna account as well as this new anon IP account 69.200.237.64.
I've found no mentions of Hartley or his accomplishments in national media as is the case with his colleagues on OutQ, Michelangelo Signorile and Frank DeCaro. There are no links to this article from within Wikipedia other than the those created by Hartley himself 
My challenge remains the same as it does on the talk page for one of Hartley's other user accounts, User_talk:Rainbowangie
Just because one says they're famous and adds themselves to lists of famous people doesn't make them notable or even famous for that matter. 
LibearyGay 01:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
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