Talk:Hurricane Rita/Archive 1

message: Lets revert this back to 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A CRYSTAL BALL. 200.124.35.174 00:01, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This one is a tough call. As it stands now, this page would be necessary anyway within 12-24 hours as it is expected to strengthen considerably overnight before reaching the Keys, and at that point it will be a notable storm. Do we really want to revert it back when we will likely need to bring it all back tomorrow? (BTW I did not make this page - I would have done a poll first - although I did decide to build it up either for a future revert or to keep the page) CrazyC83 00:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I like the way how "Main Article: Hurricane Rita" was removed from 2005 Atlantic hurricane season.  We can keep this page, but link it from 2005 Atlantic hurricane season once it's needed. - 65.94.110.179 01:16, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ^ That was me Tcwd 01:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And then I added it back in 4 hrs later,  - just "being bold", hadn't read these comments - Rye1967 23:09, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:Not a crystal ball

message: I think whoever created this article jumped the gun by creating it days before it was needed, and by naming it "Hurricane Rita" when it, at this point, is not a hurricane yet. Mike H (Talking is hot) 09:26, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an aircraft en route now, if the next advisory says it is still a tropical storm, this article is getting moved to the proper location. --Holderca1 12:16, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Unnecessary - it is now a hurricane. Unsure of exact strength though (my guess is 80 mph). CrazyC83 14:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There will always be people in the "general public" (i.e. outside the core group of us who have been working on the hurricane stuff all season) who get reactionary and make mountains out of molehills. Just a fact of life we'll need to learn to deal with, despite wanting to rip our hair out now and then. The Great Zo 16:15, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we protect those future storm articles until they are needed to prevent this from happening in the future?  --Holderca1 19:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I am thinking. I would have made this article myself early this afternoon, probably when it went to a Cat 2. The problem is how do we justify premature articles (often from anonymous users) getting deleted only to have to be restored within 12-24 hours (in this case)? It is especially likely to happen when it involves a name that has never been in use before, because if it has been used before, a disambiguation page needs to be ripped up - since the natural tendency for such is to go Hurricane Rita (2005) - but the year is unnecessary in this case until 2011 (if Rita isn't retired - which it likely will be at this point - and if we get that far in the alphabet then). CrazyC83 20:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't think this is such a big worry. Make sure that Tropical Storm Whatever is created, and make sure that Hurricane Whatever redirects there. As to whether each tropical storm deserves its own article, well, there's always AFD once it blows past, and there's always disambiguation for the rare repeat that's a significant hurricane and isn't retired. --Dhartung | Talk 18:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The solution is to pre-emptively redirect Hurricane Rita (and Tropical Storm Rita also, as appropriate) to 2005 Atlantic hurricane season.  Then the prospective article writer will get redirected instead of being told "no article with that name" and will probably just add on to the existing season article.  The redirect should also have a comment saying "don't create a new article here until it is warranted".  Of course the redirect may later be changed to a disambiguation or a real article, as needed.  BTW, I have no problem with creating an article for a storm that wasn't retired - if the article about it is long enough it should be its own article rather than a part of the season article.  Article length should be the determining factor, following the same guidelines for determining what constitutes a stub.  Jdorje 00:43, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing to remember - information on moderate-impact storms is much easier to find nowadays than even in the 1990s, so we will likely get a situation where moderate-impact storms that are unlikely to be retired (i.e. Alex, Ophelia) warrant articles on the amount of information. Since 1995, the following storms I could think of would have warranted an article if they had actually formed today with the Internet and endless sources available: Erin (1995), Bertha and Edouard (1996), Danny (1997), Bonnie (1998), Bret, Dennis and Irene (1999). CrazyC83 17:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Timing on articles

message: Key West NEXRAD was reporting 116 knot winds  and one cell is repeatedly reporting winds well over 85 knots. Although the 116 was probably a fluke peak gust, I'd say that Rita is a Category 2 hurricane now at 100 mph (85 knots). The NHC (I think) also missed the call on the hurricane - I believe that it was a hurricane since around midnight...there were actually upper-level winds of 72 knots which translate into 64 knot surface winds, but there was no closed eyewall (I thought the wind speeds where what counts?) CrazyC83 16:16, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Underestimation 

message: Hi there, I am wondering if there is a page people can post hotlines such as: 311 is the number for Texans to call if they need to evacuate and don't have a car.  That may be just for Galveston.  I know the hurricane Katrina page (I am an evacuee) was very useful for those of us IN Louisiana with no TV.  I took hotlines announced on the radio only and posted them on the Katrina page.  I realize the scope of this page is being debated - but am wondering if there is a Wiki page somewhere that will/does contain emergency information.  It could help people.
take care, --Survivor 15:38, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emergency hotlines and information 

message: If you are going to protect an image that needs updated regularly, then someone with the ability to change protected pages needs to ensure that it is updated.  I tried updating with the 2 pm forecast track but was prevented from doing so.  --Holderca1 19:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected image? 

message: The image currently showing the storm east of the Florida Keys refers to it as "Hurricane Rita;" however at that point in time, I do not believe it was yet a hurricane. Peyna 19:46, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it just refers to it as Rita.  "Rita approaching the Florida Keys."  --Holderca1 19:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The most recent NOAA RGB "false color" satellite image of Rita (taken at 21:45 UT) is available here linked from the NOAA storm tracker for Rita and Philippe updated --Earthsound 21:58, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: The imagery below the Storm history section should be updated with the latest image from the MODIS Rapid Response Team -- Earthsound 22:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: IR needs updating, again. The current image is roughly 6 hours old -- Earthsound 17:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  ^^^ -- Earthsound 17:58, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I don't really know why, but the forecast image is broken on this page. --Tinus 19:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And it was broken on the Main Page too, then it appeared, then I browsed here, it was broken again, and now it has reappeared. I have no idea what's going on, but it's not an isolated problem. Titoxd 20:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia servers haven't exactly been well-behaved lately.  Sometimes the images are loading, other times it just displays text (at least in Firefox it does, which everyone should be using anyways). --tomf688<TALK> 20:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually had this problem a while ago, and got this response: "Sometimes the server that delivers thumbnail images gets overloaded, and can't keep up with the work that millions of wikipedia visitors place on it. The result is that we show the image caption instead of the image. Generally waiting a bit and retrying (with ctrl-f5 or shift-reload) will yield the image." -- RattleMan 02:06, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This locked image needs updating. The most recent version of the forecast image was released at 16:00 CDT. It is available at here Earthsound 21:52, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: OK, I've updated it with the latest image.--Pharos 22:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are aware that a new one comes out every 30 minutes. --Holderca1 22:24, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it? Well, I'm not going to do it that often...  but I'm sure we will be able to update it at least a couple of times a day.--Pharos 22:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: No, they do not come out every 30 minutes. They come out with every advisory, sometimes with an intermediate advisory. The next intermediate advisory will come out at 19:00 CDT, the next complete advisory at 22:00 CDT. -- Earthsound 22:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forecast image 

message: You may want to detail that the storm is forecasted to hit around Houston at this point. It would be wise to include some information about the heavey flooding that occured in that city after Tropical Storm Allison made landfall in 2001. Houston is prone to floods.
:It would be a bit premature for that, forecast errors at 4-5 days are around 200 miles, so its possible it won't effect Houston at all.  --Holderca1 21:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there is the possibility of heavy flooding, but at the same time, the storm isn't projected to sit on the Houston area for five days and dump that kind of rain on us.  Of course, I could be wrong, as I have been before.  However, Houston may flood, but it does drain, too.  Water won't stand here for very long before draining into our bayous and out into Galveston Bay.  Thephotoman 20:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Houston 

message: The text reads:
"As of 11 pm EDT September 20 (0300 UTC September 21), the center of Hurricane Rita was located about 95 miles (150 km) west-southwest of Key West, Florida and about 80 miles (130 km) northwest of Havana, Cuba, with maximum sustained winds of 110 mph (175 km/h). Rita is now a strong Category 3 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale."
However, this maximum sustained wind velocity means Category 2. Besides, even NHC gives it as Cat. 2. Proceeding with correction. nihil 04:05, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That was almost certainly a typo. bob rulz 05:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent with hurricane category 

message: The 11 PM discussion on the National Hurricane Center's website has called category five by landfall a "distinct possibility".
:I expect that to happen on Thursday morning, and it should stay there well into Thursday night and early on Friday. However, I don't think it will be a Cat 5 at landfall...it will probably weaken on the approach. Still should be a Cat 4 though! CrazyC83 05:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Intense hurricanes bounce up and down in intensity as they undergo eyewall replacement cycles. Attempting to forecast intensity at landfall precisely is a sucker's game. -- Cyrius|✎ 13:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly where it is now. The question is how long will it remain Cat 5 and will it move back up as it gets closer? We'll have to wait, and see, and pray that it doesn't. CrazyC83 20:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Five 

message: It has been confirmed that the hurricane is a category three.
:Where? The NHC site has not updated it yet, although I would expect it to be up to 115 or 120 mph at the 2 am advisory. CrazyC83 05:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The BBC in Britain reported it at 12pm BST. And the BBC is pretty reliant on reuters. So I think it is safe to believe this.--80.42.146.101 11:16, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Three 

message: At this point, isn't there still a chance that it will go towards Northern Mexico? Shouldn't this be addressed in the article?
(SeanMcG 16:40, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because of the high preasure area moving out north of Rita, there's not really any possibility of the hurricane going south.  Besides that, I don't think Wikipedia was meant to be used to forcast the storm.  *If* it hits Mexico, then we can write about it.  We'll be rewriting most of this later anyway, so I don't see any reason to worry about it anyway. DMAJohnson 21:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Threat to Mexico?

message: Perhaps it would be useful to list school closings here as well.  I know that most of the school districts here in Houston have cancelled school until Monday, and that the University of Houston has cancelled all classes effective at noon on the 21st, and has closed the campus offices. Thephotoman 20:16, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That would get a bit tedious.  Listing the evacuations orders out is a bit much as well.  --Holderca1 20:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Even news outlets here in Houston are having a hard time keeping track of the growing list of ordered evacuations and school closings.  Besides, it has no real bearing on the article, especially after this is all over.  A lot of work for nothing, if you ask me. DMAJohnson 21:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is an Encyclopia not a news outlet.  While such information might be useful to people in the area; Wikipedia isn't the place for it.  Peyna 21:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Evacuations are quite important; consider the Hurricane Katrina situation.  School closings, however, are not, and should only be mentioned in a very general manner.--Pharos 21:47, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: There's so many school closings there's no point. -- Cyrius|✎ 03:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: School closings

message: Vehicle?  As if someone is accessing wikipedia on a laptop in their car during a hurricane.
:An RV is a vehicle, lots of people take them to evacuate.  --Holderca1 20:24, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As I'm evacuating, I'm packing my laptop, power inverter, and a power strip so that I can use my computer in the car.  Some of us are addicts, and won't leave our Internet connection behind when Armageddon comes.  Thephotoman 20:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: When I ran from Katrina I brought my laptop. Of course, I couldn't get Internet access in the car, but I could get it at the Red Cross shelter and the hotel I spent time at.Kevin M Marshall 21:38, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Do not decide whether to leave your house, shelter or vehicle based on Wikipedia information." 

message: * Tropical Storm RITA Strike Info
* Weather Radar Map Link
*
Airport Closing and Delay Link
*
Severe Weather Map Link
AlMac|(talk) 21:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest Emergency Weather Info Links 

message: wtf? please stop! it is f***ing immature and stupid to be putting crazy stuff like that in a serious article, especially one frequented like this. --Revolución (talk) 21:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In a similar vein I removed the bit on "THOUSANDS CHOOSE NOT TO LEAVE GALVESTON" based on the principle that Wikipedia is not an instruction manual. -- Pipian 03:27, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, IP 68.232.90.138 needs to have someone sit down and smack him or something for vandalizing.
IP 195.194.201.97 needs a smack, too. Thank you, Artorius for correcting it. -- Earthsound 13:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Ok, why did 161.215.18.51 delete like everything off the page?  I would revert back to a previous version except i'm not exactly sure what that entails. FleetAdmiralJ 15:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to the history; click the timestamp of the last good version; it will bring up the out of date version of the article. Click edit; it will warn you that you are editing an out of date version. Hit save; that does it. --Golbez 15:58, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I also looked in the help too (duh). FleetAdmiralJ 16:12, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: Can we change that so its not up as high (or higher) than information that many people actually care about?
(not a rant...)
Gurukid 22:43, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure what you are referring to.  --Holderca1 23:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Gurunkid is talking about the paragraph about Roxanne being the only R besides Rita, saying it's too trivial to be the second paragraph in the article. —BazookaJoe 00:07, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's more than just trivial.  It shows that this has been an extremely active hurricane season. --tomf688{talk} 00:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rita "Name" Background 

message: Given their closeness in time and location, it strikes me that it will soon become difficult to separate the respective economic, political, and social effects of Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita. How would my fellow editors feel about moving the articles covering these aspects for Hurricane Katrina to Economic effects of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, Political effects of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, and Social effects of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season? -- BD2412 talk 00:19, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible the nationwide effects could be taken together, but we still need a whole host of articles for the localized impacts. Since the effects of Rita are speculation at this point, I don't think we need the new articles now. Will we need them in a few days? Possibly, but I'd rather separate things now because these articles will fill up with information and get very large very quickly. Make separate articles for the effects of Rita when needed; after the hurricane season is over we can consider condensing things and closing articles then. To put it briefly, I think combined articles would end up way too big.Kevin M Marshall 00:25, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: I've opened a centralized discussion on this question: Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/2005 Atlantic hurricane season effects. I'll copy the above comment there. -- BD2412 talk 00:27, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger of effects. 

message: Hurricane Gilbert never made landfall in the United states, yet this article says it did. When I went to the edit page to fix that, it didn't show up on the edit page, could someone fix this please. Fableheroesguild 02:04, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see where it says Hurricane Gilbert made US landfall? --NSLE | Talk 02:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apparently someone has gone back and listed Hurricane Gilbert has hitting the US again. FleetAdmiralJ 03:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Found the problem; the Template:Category5 had listed Gilbert as hitting the US. I've put it up for deletion, as that template refers to Rita, although Rita is likely not to be the only Cat 5 anytime soon to pose a threat to land.  needs to be removed. -- NSLE | Talk 03:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was wondering why there suddenly was a "this page is marked for deletion" thing on it heh. (doh it helps to be logged in) Also, can't one just...edit the template? FleetAdmiralJ 03:27, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  UGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH 

message: The paragraph beginning
"If Rita makes landfall in the United States as a Category 5 hurricane it will become one of only four Category 5 hurricanes to have hit the United States;"
directly contradicts the paragraph two before it:
 It also marks only the third time in recorded history that there have been two Category 5 hurricanes in a single season; it had previously only happened in the 1960 and 1961 seasons.
Twang
:No contradiction whatsoever. The first is about storms hitting the country; the second is about there being two cat 5 storms AT ALL in one season. They usually don't hit land while at cat 5; Katrina and Ivan didn't, and Rita probably won't. --Golbez 05:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: The newscasts are starting to hit the possible global warming tie-in pretty hard.  Certainly both Katrina and Rita went berserk when they hit the warm Gulf waters.  I suggest a one-paragraph mention that says the link is tenuous and highly controversial and links to Effects of global warming. Simesa 12:07, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Factually, the Gulf of Mexico is a whole 1 (one) degree Farenheit above its average temperature.  Global warming talk is certainly trendy, but not validated as being anything more than a standard statistical variation.--66.69.219.9 23:33, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What CNN is showing is that as Katrina and Rita crossed the warmer spots of the Loop Current, they rapidly gained strength.  Therefore a 1-degree "average" rise may be significant. Main point is, the networks address it yet we're mute on the discussion. Simesa 14:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Could link to the [BBC Article] that goes off on The Indepedent for trying to play the GW card on this. Sfnhltb 15:06, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good article.  It quotes: "The most recent study on the issue, published this month in the journal Science, found that while the incidence of hurricanes and tropical storms has remained roughly constant over the last 30 years, there has been a rise in the number of intense hurricanes with wind speeds above 211km/h (131mph). The leader of that research project, Dr Peter Webster, believes there may be a link to climate change." Simesa 16:52, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A good, balanced article. It doesn't rule out climate change, but attacks those who rule out anything else. I think there's stronger evidence for global warming than one exceptional hurricane season - like melting polar ice caps. | KP 09:26, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Global Warming

message: This is speculation but it looks like Rita could directly hit Mr Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas. I'm wondering what sort of damage is possible in Crawford given it is quite a long way inland.  Auswide 13:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Minimal damage, Crawford is a couple hundred miles from the coast and is forecast to be on the left side of the storm, away from typical tornado formation in tropical cyclones.  --Holderca1 19:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Crawford, Texas

message: Rita has broken multiple records, being the earliest 17th named storm, the third most intense storm, and quickest drop of pressure in 1 hour.
Which drop is the quickest in one hour? Maybe note the drop in parentheses beside that? TransUtopian 19:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This needs a reference.  I saw it in one of the blogs of the NWC guys (included in the external links) but I don't think he was making an official claim.  Regardless, this is a pretty useless record (I suspect) because only very rarely are measurements taken 1 hour apart.  Jdorje 05:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Quickest Drop?

message: The folowing text is from the first two sentences in the article:
Hurricane Rita is the 17th named storm, ninth hurricane, fifth major hurricane, and was the second Category 5 hurricane of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. This hurricane (currently Category 3)...
Later, under Current Status, it says
As of 5pm CDT, Rita is currently a Category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale...
That's confusing to readers, so to someone who knows the correct numbers, please fix this?
--TwilightBat 23:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to http://www.noaa.gov Rita will stay at 145 mph and a Category 4 for the next 36 hours. Simesa 23:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

text: The numbers are correct and I don't see any contradictions.  --Holderca1 17:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Just like the stock market, wind speeds in a hurricane can go down as well as up. Sfnhltb 15:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictions 

message: I took some information from Wikipedia, and it got called to be incorrect.  This is the corrected information:
Rita ties a record for Cat-4/5 storms hitting the U.S. - two Category 4 storms hit in 1915 (one estimated to be 4 by the strength of the winds).  Source:  which I checked - ironically, New Orleans and Galveston were hit in 1915.
1995 had 19 named storms.  The "record" is 21 in 1933 (although "The Atlantic tropical cyclone record before 1944 is likely incomplete since storms may have been missed or their intensity misclassified due to lack of satellite and aircraft monitoring.")  , which I checked.
Simesa 01:08, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Records

message: It's annoying typing shit ten times because people can't CHECK other additions/corrections/etc before saving their own stuff.
:It's also annoying when people don't sign their comments. --Holderca1 02:28, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  CHECK OTHER EDITS BEFORE SAVING 

message: Is this section really needed? -- NSLE | Talk 03:44, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live streaming? 

message: I am trying to organize some of the links on the bottom of the page... storm resources... for the hurricane enthusiasts.. I hope you all enjoy.. add as you find other links... I figure the "external links" can be for the Misc Links... Bsheppard 07:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organizing links 

message: the article doesn't say. -Lethe | Talk 10:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Forecasts aren't necessarily correct, thus the vague "landfall sometime on September 24, somewhere between Galveston and the Texas/Louisiana border". -- NSLE | Talk 11:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  when is it expected to make landfall exactly? 

message: There's a new article on the Loop Current.  CNN has been showing it's effect heavily.  Basically, as Katrina and Rita passed over the warm Loop Current, they rapidly increased in strength.  (It may be that hurricanes that cross Florida and bend a little northwards are more likely to "ride along" the current and thus gain great strength.)  I have to leave now - would someone research this? Simesa 15:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Recent images of TOPEX/Poseidon data of the Gulf loop current can be found here. There are some good images with overlays of the paths of Katrina and Rita. Might be worth adding if the copyright issue works out. -Loren 22:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Loop Current

message: We have a table at the top right with a label above saying Current hurricane status. Within the box it says: See current status below..
So there are two boxes apparently with the same name. Is that how it is supposed to be? Bobblewik 21:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you.  It looks like the infobox at the top is more of a "just the facts" information (coordinates, wind speed, etc).  The second "current status" seems to be what's in the infobox put into words (and poorly formed ones at that).  Soon the current status won't be neccessary anyways.  :) Bsheppard 22:01, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is just one box, the other current status is in paragraph form in the middle of the article.  --Holderca1 23:26, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I can't wait until this storm has gone ashore so we can get rid of this box. --tomf688{talk} 02:30, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, once it dissipates we won't need it...the paragraph below is a detailed version that all the information is located. CrazyC83 02:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

text: It was created by an anon earlier today.  I say it can go now.  --Holderca1 05:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why two boxes purporting to be 'Current status'? 

message: I'm not a meteorologist. The eyewall looks like its collapsing. Someone should research this. Make sure this is, or is not, the start of an eye wall replacement cycle. Thank you. 24.91.176.234 01:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like so, but it should make little difference at this point as it will have made landfall before it is completed. The pressure (931 mb) seems extremely low for a 120 mph storm (which would normally be in the 945-955 range) - are they sure the winds aren't more like 140 mph? CrazyC83 02:24, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They have planes flying in and out constantly.  I'm pretty sure they have a good bead on it. --tomf688{talk} 02:29, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the pressure is awfully low for its category, but I think the wind is probably right.  My family is sheltering at our home in Houston and right now they're getting about 35mph sustained winds and 50mph gusts. · Katefan0(scribble) 05:45, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is an Eyewall Replacement Cycle starting? 

message: Is there any reason why mentions of "seventeenth," "eighteenth," etc were reverted to numerical format? I think they look awkward as numbers. Mike H (Talking is hot) 05:39, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Style is to only spell out numbers 10 or smaller, unless the number is the start of a sentence. · Katefan0(scribble) 05:44, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be a personal thing but digit format '17th' and '18th' does not look awkward to me. It is certainly commonplace. In the case of references to centuries (e.g. 17th century and 18th century), it is the default format. Furthermore, digit format is more language independent and that is important to Wikipedia which, unlike many publications, is an online international resource. Native readers of any individual language in Wikipedia should be prepared to accept a little style unfamiliarity in exchange for greater access to non-native readers of that language. This matter of generic style gets discussed occasionally at: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Bobblewik 09:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are certain exceptions, such as with when writing percentages the number is always numeric -- 3 percent; 17 percent.  Otherwise, numbers 10 and smaller should be spelled; larger should be numeric. · Katefan0(scribble) 12:02, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 17th vs. seventeenth

message: Removed the link dealing with global warming and hurricanes.  This article makes no mention of Rita and is much better suited in the "Global Warming" entry which is where it lives now. Dinosaurdarrell 07:54, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global Warming link 

message: If anyone wants to see a copy of the email regarding Sonny Perdue's declaration of "snow days," feel free to post here and I'll copy it over. I thought it was awkward phrasing as well considering it's the fringes of summer in a Southern state, but those were his exact words. 
PS Looking at the email again, it's basically an official at my boyfriend's college just repeating what Perdue said, and nothing from the Governor's office or anything. Mike H (Talking is hot) 17:33, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds better than "ran out of gas days"  --Holderca1 20:58, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose, but the term is so not fitting when the highs are still getting into the 80s. ;) Mike H (Talking is hot) 21:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Snow days

message: After following this article for a few days, I have noticed a strong tendency of people to replace the radar graphic in the "Hurricane Rita" sidebar with updated versions.  However, since the label has not changed, I have assumed that this graphic was intended to show the storm at its peak intensity, and reverted it to the version the label shows.  Was this incorrect? Diagonalfish 02:31, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was reverted to a previous image near peak intensity.  The same was done on the Hurricane Katrina article.  --Holderca1 02:35, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane graphic in sidebar - new or old? 

message: before the hurricane hit land one of the big repeating on bbc news 24 was that new orleans was "filling back up" after the levys broke again. Just how much did fill back up and why is there no mention of this in the article. Plugwash 21:14, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to be limited primarily to the hardest-hit area from Katrina (9th ward/Industrial Canal) and a few outlying villages east of town; it will set back the drainage efforts by a week or two   but there's little property of value left to destroy by now  as Katrina had already damaged that section pretty much beyond repair. --carlb 09:11, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  new orleans 

message: Someone should mention the scope of the evacuations in Houston, which happened shortly after the eye was forecasted to pass over Katy... then later it was forecasted to hit Galveston head on. There was a reason for why so many people left (including every single one of my neighbors in Northwest Houston) and that in turn created one of the largest traffic jams in history. Something like 2 million people left Houston and it was the first such mass evacuation the city ever experienced (fact check). Every single major corridor out of Houston was completely gridlocked... I-10, 45, US 59, even 249 (the route I took). People ran out of gas, cars overheated, etc. Many simply turned back because it was impossible to get out of the city. In Tomball, Magnolia, etc. there were no places to stay. Every single motel and hotel was booked a couple of days in advance of the hurricane clear up to Oklaholma City. 
This is important because Houston, like Los Angeles, is a city that was built around the automobile. Had the hurricane actually passed through Houston, I'm sure at least a few evacuees would have drowned in their cars. No one is really saying how many people succumbed to heat exhaustion and dehydration.
:I agree the article needs to treat this better. My own family was out on 146, 21 hours to go nowhere, turned around and headed back home since there was no gas in sight.  There were at least two people who died of heat stroke on 146. · Katefan0(scribble) 18:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Houston Evacuation Bottleneck 

message: Rita's TCR has received updates, as of 14 August 2006.
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thread_title:  Rita TCR updates 

message: Yes, this article is still start class, due to the overall lack of organization and sources. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Start class 

message: I think that several sub-articles should be made: Meteorological history of Hurricane Rita, Effects of Hurricane Rita on Florida, Cuba (those two could be merged), Louisiana, Texas and Hurricane Rita tornado outbreak (which for the most part covers other areas) should be made. CrazyC83 01:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No need for Cuba, IMO. Rather than an article for the tornado outbreak, what about having a generic article called Effects of Hurricane Rita by region, which would include detailed impact on Mississippi and Arkansas. This is similar to how Katrina is handled. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Such was suggested because the outbreak produced up to 62 tornadoes (although some research is needed) and caused fatalities, which would together be article-worthy on its own if it wasn't connected to a hurricane (per WP:MWE standards). CrazyC83 13:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main problem I can see is that the tornado outbreak would overlap with the other sub-articles. If a good tornado article can be created without overlapping with the Louisiana and Texas articles, I suppose it would be a good idea. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's been a couple of months and no one has actually made new articles for any of the topics suggested here.  Meanwhile, the page is of normal length, and the suggestions look silly.  So I am going to remove them.  Feel free to revert my changes, but only if you are going to write actual articles for each of the subsections.  Zweifel 21:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-articles? 

message: *Lake Charles, LA report
*New Orleans, LA report
*Shreveport, LA report
*Houston, TX report
*Jackson, MS report on tornadoes
*Little Rock, AK report
*Birmingham, AL report
These should be included in the article. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NWS reports 

message: The landfall animation gets stuck for me, only repeating the first three frames.  Does this only affect me or is it a problem that needs to be resolved? Jamie|C 12:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Animation

message: This thing needs referneces! Juliancolton (talk) 14:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo

message: No comment was left explaining the tag. The section that was tagged has meteorological records, not Trivia (it's about season statistics, not pop songs with the name Rita in the title.) I think it can be removed. DavidH (talk) 05:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say that we could embed it into the rest of it anyway so it might have been an in-expert editer like myself Itfc+canes=me (talk) 17:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have sorted it out... DO NOT KILL ME IF IT DOES NOT WORK WITH THE ARTICLE Itfc+canes=me (talk) 17:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was so nieve then.... why did someone change it? Itfc+canes=me (talk) 14:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Trivia" tag 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
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