Talk:Las Vegas Valley

message: If anyone in interested in Radio stations, take a look at Template:Las Vegas radio for some radio stations that need articles.  There are also TV stations missing articles and you can find the redlinks at Template:Las Vegas TV. Vegaswikian 19:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
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message: Vegaswikian has been deleting this link from the article because "Exactly what material in the article was taken from this refrence source? In any case, claims to be comentary & not fact so it should not be used". The article cited corroborates this article because it mentions several prominent Las Vegas casinos. Portions of it are naturally opinion, but, really, is "MGM Mirage buying Mandalay Bay Resorts and Harrah's buying Caesars" opinion or fact? It's of course a sub-par source, but a weak source is better than none. Insufficient referencing and vandalism are the two main reasons Wikipedia is not considered an accurate source of information. Citing third-party sources to corroborate our facts, even if those sources are not as perfect as we'd like them to be, is imperative. Johnleemk | Talk 07:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial reference 

message: Is Searchlight part of the Las Vegas metro area?  According to this article, Boulder City is generally considered part of the metro area.  It is probally only about 25 minutes from the southern  city limits of Boulder City to Searchlight.
Michaelcox 06:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To the anonymous editor who speakers for what is "Defined by the people of Boulder City" and "the entirety of Boulder City feels": Did you ask each of them?  Was a vote taken?  Are you psychically aware of the personal feelings and opinions of every one of these thousands of individuals?  Or are you overreaching with hyperbole?  By the way, I agree with excluding Boulder City from a discussion of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Area.  Boulder City's government web site and master plan discuss ambition for a small town feeling that makes the most of the natural resources of the area - and Vegas is conspicuous by its absence from these documents.  The U.S. Census Bureau refers to the "Las Vegas-Paradise MSA," not including a mention of Boulder City.  From Vegas to Boulder City, the highway exits the Vegas Valley (with Henderson straddling the southeast rim of the valley), then goes through miles of open desert before entering the clearly distinct town of Boulder City.  The Clark County urban planning area map (from http://gisgate.co.clark.nv.us/gismo/cpmapprod.htm) very clearly draws a county urban planning line around the Vegas valley and Henderson, excluding Boulder City (as well as Pahrump and Mt. Charleston).  Therefore, there's plenty of objectively verifiable evidence against calling Boulder City part of the Vegas metro area - with no need to speculate on what 15,000 people might say or feel inside their own minds. VisitorTalk 03:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

text: My opinion as a resident: Locally, "Las Vegas valley" is used as a synonym for "Las Vegas metro area" rather than to note a geographic area. The article itself is titled "LV metro area" with "valley" as just a redirect to that, which seems appropriate to me. Anyone who is talking about the geography of the area will point out that the "valley" is in fact a basin. The anonymous complaints above about Boulder City being included in the LV metro are downright ludicrous. Santa Monica is a distinct city, but no one would seriously dispute its inclusion in a discussion of the Los Angeles metro area. Simishag (talk) 03:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Searchlight Nevada & Other Areas 

message: I requested a citation for the boundaries section. Currently it states "generally thought to be defined...". Which authority generally thinks that the borders are such as mentioned in the article? Isn't there a regional development council or something that oversees the area? What do they say is the extent of their jurisdiction? --Polaron | Talk 18:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did find some references to State hydrographic area 212, but I could not find that in any online db I have access to.  Does someone know where to find that source? Vegaswikian 20:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe the relevant authoritative reference is "Las Vegas Urban Planning Areas" map, available from the Clark County government GIS site at http://gisgate.co.clark.nv.us/gismo/cpmapprod.htm.  This map shows a very clear line drawn around the Vegas valley, including Henderson but not Boulder City, and not including Mt. Charleston or Pahrump. VisitorTalk 03:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boundaries 

message: Isn't the Las Vegas Metro Area one of the metros most affected by the current United States housing market correction & Subprime mortgage crisis?  What is the effect of this on Las Vegas Metro's astronomical rate of population growth?  Has it slowed down?--Section8pidgeon (talk) 11:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States housing market correction & Subprime mortgage crisis 

message: As with most metropolitan pages, this page should really be structured around the defined Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA.  This page doesn't even make mention to this government-defined area. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it did mention the MSA until September 11, 2008. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA

message: Someone should update that photo, being from 2006 which is ancient for the city.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.216.14.1 (talk) 20:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Skyline Photo Update

message: The article was changed a while ago to move the focus from the area surrounding the valley to the MSA.  Other then the introduction, I don't believe that the rest of the article has followed.  There are several possible reasons why the article probably has not reflected the into change including the fact that the MSA overlaps Clark County.  If this article covers the MSA then we have two articles that cover the same area using different names.  So is there any object to changing the lead to focus back on the valley area? Vegaswikian (talk) 06:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus of this article 

message: The first sentence in this section looks like this:  "As of the census[6] of 2000, there were 1,375,765, 512,253 households, and 339,693 families residing within the MSA."
I'm sure "1,375,765" is supposed to have something else behind it besides the other numbers, but I'm not sure what it is.  The way the sentence is now, it makes it seem like there is over a "trillion" households in the LVMA!Normstradamus (talk) 01:08, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: At the beginnings of this article it was about the Valley as seen in the first version.  Later in someone argued that since there was an official definition of a metropolitan area, Las Vegas-Paradise-Henderson Metropolitan Statistical Area, the article name should be changed to match.  Now we have editors working to try and eliminate the focus on the valley.  I don't think that expanding the focus of the article to all of Clark County and Pahrump would serve anyone.  Maybe a reword of the introduction to put the focus back on the Valley and the suburbs would be the way to go. One could argue that the Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA and the valley have nothing in common other then the latter is within the boundaries of the former.  And the former is within the even broader Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV CSA.  Given that the inclusion criteria for these government classifications can and does change at the whim of bureaucrats, it makes little sense to try and structure articles around these ignoring the geographic areas that exist naturally.  At one time, these definitions actually included parts of Arizona.  
So are there objections to resurrecting a Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA article and possibly renaming of this article back to Las Vegas Valley?  Or is there a better solution? Vegaswikian (talk) 18:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, this has been on the table for almost 5 months now is there support for this direct?  Does anyone have an objection? I'll also note that we have Las Vegas Valley (landform) as a redirect that probably should be renamed to Las Vegas Basin since the valley is the common name and that may not match up with the geographic definition of the basin. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection from me, nor better solution. Suggest WP:CYCLE. rkmlai (talk) 22:42, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, this has remained without any objections for 5 months.  Today, I moved out the material into the MSA article.  What remains in moving the metro area article back to the valley name and then the cleanup rewriting can begin. I should add that Las Vegas Valley (landform) is no longer a redirect but an article, so we now have an article that defines the scope of the valley. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming and scope of the article 

message: I am interested in including the observations of this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326187/Las-Vegas-tunnel-people-How-1-000-people-live-shimmering-strip.html Las Vegas tunnel people: How 1,000 people live under shimmering strip | Mail Online into the article. I think it would be under "communities". 
There is coverage under : 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2651937/The-people-living-in-drains-below-Las-Vegas.html
Beneath the Neon: http://www.beneaththeneon.com/ 
Shine A Light: http://www.beneaththeneon.com/shine-a-light.asp
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/subterranean-home-of-las-vegass-losers-1786877.html
http://blogs.lasvegascitylife.com/cityblog/2009/03/25/homeless-outreach-goes-underground/
Thoughts, comments ? 
rkmlai (talk) 04:55, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Bottom line is that it may well not be encyclopedic.  This type of activity occurs in most cities.  Vegaswikian (talk) 05:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Underground city 

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thread_title:  Invitation 

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: I suggest a merge between Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA and Las Vegas Valley. These two pages are essentially about the same topic (Las Vegas metro area), just somewhat different definitions. The content at each page would compliment each other well, and the result would be better than both articles separately. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 02:57, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, yeah, of course. The LV-Paradise MSA article is really nothing more than US Census demographics, which is missing from the Vegas Valley page, so as long as we note that the census uses the entire county instead of just the valley, it's fine. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as you ignore the fact that historically the MSA included parts of Arizona and Nye County, as I recall.  The MSA has a separate history that is not restricted to the valley. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can merge the pages and acknowledge that fact, actually. Place the final article at a title like "Las Vegas metropolitan area" and give the multiple definitions. Vegas Valley is a geographic definition of the metro area and Clark County is the census definition, but they both define the same thing. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 01:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Historically this MSA of SMSA has covered counties in two states. Merging it into an article that covers 10% of the land area of only one of the counties does not make sense.  This material on its own is notable and has an article.  Merging serves no purpose in informing the readers if anything and makes the definition of the MSA more difficult to locate.  This is especially true when the only clear source that provides links to sources is the wiki.  The Las Vegas library actually only had this wiki as a source for links when asked for more information.  The Census Bureau does not make it easy to source this material!  Rather then trying to merge this article on Las Vegas out of existence, I think your efforts would be better spent creating the Las Vegas Township article which is really needed.  It is larger then then city of Las Vegas in terms of population and has an elected constable and judges. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:32, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree. We shouldn't have two articles, one on the valley and one on the census definition, but one article on the metropolitan area. Like all metropolitan areas, there are multiple definitions, and like many, the census definition covers a huge land area simply because it's easy to define. The Seattle metropolitan area, according to the US Census, includes Mt Rainier, which is in the middle of a huge national park that itself is surrounded by national forests, but no one has seen a need to create a separate article for just the urbanized area. We can use the valley article as a basis, add the census demographics data, and make it a single article about the metro area. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 02:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There are actually at least two metro areas being used.  One is the Las Vegas Metro which basically maps to the valley based on what I have read and the Las Vegas Metropolitan Area as defined by the census bureau.  Eliminating articles when the uses are overlapping and ambiguous serves no one.  Redirects can help, but not when you do inappropriate merging of articles. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It is absolutely not two metro areas. It is two definitions of the same metro area. Either way, it's the Las Vegas metro. Having them together helps readers better understand the overlapping and ambiguous definitions, while separating makes it harder to make comparisons. If you combine them, you could even put in a map showing the county versus the valley. Look in the history and look how I handled it when I merged them - this does a lot better at explaining than two pages ever could. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 02:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

text: The MSA is a "Metropolitan Statistical Area" (see the defintion).  But that two-hour drive through the desert from Las Vegas to Laughlin sure doesn't seem like something that could be called part of a "metropolitan area", and the Las Vegas Valley is only a small part of the MSA.  Check it out. Dicklyon (talk) 04:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And two hours of crooked two-lane road thru forested mountains between Crystal Mountain, Washington and Tacoma in the Seattle MSA doesn't seem like a metro area either. Yet there is only one article on the Seattle Metropolitan area, and not a separate one for the MSA. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 01:28, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Also, Boulder is undoubtedly part of the metro area and undoubtedly not in the valley (since there is a mountain pass between there and Vegas). Just another example of how there isn't and can't be a single definition for any metro area. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 01:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And then you have articles like Louisville metropolitan area which is my mind is an example of the information and types of data that can and should be in these articles.  Vegaswikian (talk) 05:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That page is terribly incomplete. What about economy? Government? Geography? The overall metro area economy, gov't and geography certainly have significant differences from what Louisville itself has. For Seattle, for example, the geography of the metro area will include several places not in the city, such as Lake Washington and Lake Sammammish and Auburn Valley, even if you exclude the distant unpopulated Cascade Mountains. The best model would be Las Vegas Valley+Las Vegas/Paradise MSA. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 15:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm convinced that you are really having issues here.  Las Vegas Valley+Las Vegas/Paradise MSA is nonsense.  the Las Vegas Valley is about 10% of the land mass in the Las Vegas-Paradise MSA.  So one already includes the other.  Or one is a part of the other with very different populations, urbanization, crimes, culture and so on. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:18, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant that combining the text from those two articles will be the best way to create a Las Vegas metro article. Las Vegas Valley is a well-written and mostly-complete article about the metro article. The only thing missing is demographics. Las Vegas/Paradise MSA has that missing information. Both "Las Vegas Valley" and "Las Vegas/Paradise MSA" are two different interpretations of the same thing, "Las Vegas Metro area." Thus, we only need one article, giving both definitions (as well as the earlier census definition) D O N D E groovily Talk to me 22:48, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge suggestion 

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Images for one of the thousands of neighborhoods?  An Audi from the auto show?  So ***Many*** images. They go on longer than sections... they go on longer than entire article. At the least, it seems to me there are simply too many, and that if we need more than a few of these, they need to be piled into a gallery for those that are needed at all.  I am not going to war over any of these (such as the one just re-added), but I argue most need to go, per the MoS.  I encourage other editors who are interested to join the discussion.  My thinking is that any image not directly tied to sourced content should go.Shajure (talk) 21:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Shajure! I really appreciate your opinion. I know I'm new here, but I personally think the images help to show the diversity of things within the valley, as well as driving forces behind the economy, tourism, etc. relevant to the article. Many other city articles on Wikipedia, including San Francisco have even more photos of various neighborhoods, events, etc. throughout the city. The images help the reader to get a sense of the Las Vegas Valley as a whole, rather than simply the preconceived notion held by many that Las Vegas is "just the Strip." The images help to build upon and expand the encyclopedia information. Rmvisuals (talk) 00:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many images 

message: I believe this is a junk magnet.  I did trim it down to those that had their own articles, though most of those look like real estate wp:advertising, and think they themselves need to go.  Do we need the section at all?
There was a proposed restore of the "some" in the section head... but lists are never never complete and accurate... there is no need to say so in each... "List of longest-lived humans" would not need to be "List of some of the longest-lived humans with a few errors and frauds"Shajure (talk) 21:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: Morning all. Since we already have an article on the metropolitan area of Las Vegas, having a separate one covering the specific counties of the US census agency seems like essentially duplication. I know that the census definition is a technical thing, but that could be covered easily enough in a section of the other article as I think we do for most metro areas. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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