Talk:Flemish dialects

message: === Issue 1 ===
You can't link to the German Wikipedia article, because they make, rightly so, a distinction between one of the three official languages spoken in Belgium, which is (Belgian) Dutch, and Flemish. Flemish is a general term of all flemish dialects spoken in Belgium and partially in the North of France. They do not speak the same language though. Flemish in Limburg is quite different from Flemish in West or East Flanders and it is even more different from Flemish spoken in the North of France. It is not true that the official language in Flanders is Flemish. One can just look it up in the Belgian constitution: : Belgium is divided into 4 language regions, i.e. the Dutch region, the French region, the bilingual region Brussels Capital and the German region. "België omvat vier taalgebieden: het Nederlandse taalgebied, het Franse taalgebied, het tweetalige gebied Brussel-Hoofdstad en het Duitse taalgebied." 
Belgian constitution on official languages Children learn in school in Flanders Dutch and not Flemish. It is true however that Belgians will say that they speak Flemish while in fact they mean (Belgian) Dutch. This has historic reasons (similar to Irish people saying they speak Irish while talking to you in Irish English). The difference between Dutch Dutch (spoken in the Netherlands) and Belgian Dutch is comparable to the difference between US and UK English. Both speak English, both learn English at school (not specified UK or US English) and both understand each other in English most of the time.
=== Issue 2 ===
If, as is claimed in ths article, Belgian Dutch is the same as Flemish, then this kind of Flemish is not spoken in the North of France, because it's very different from what an average Belgian Flemish speaker would understand.==
=== Conclusion ===
It would be better to split this article into Flemish (a heterogeneous language spoken in Flanders and the North of France) and Belgian Dutch (a rather homogeneous language spoken in Flanders). In both articles a remark could be written that the term Flemish is often used, especially by Belgians, when Belgian Dutch is meant. 
85.221.148.72 (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues because of mixing Flemish and Belgian Dutch  

message: It would be better to split this article into Flemish (a heterogeneous language spoken in Flanders and the North of France) and Belgian Dutch (a rather homogeneous language spoken in Flanders). In both articles a remark could be written that the term Flemish is often used, especially by Belgians, when Belgian Dutch is meant. 
85.221.148.72 (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conclusion 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved to Flemish dialects and moved, respectively. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 22:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, this page had 1k links, all of which need fixing, and some of which are incorrect and need more detailed fixing. I'm currently in the process of fixing these with AWB (~¼ of the way done), I have not forgotten about this RM and will move these pages once I'm done. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 23:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Move to Flemish dialect(s) - Flemish is not a language, rather a dialect of Dutch. But there is still a reasonable case for confusion so the present title is unsustainable. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 June 2023 

message: I checked https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Flemish a few months after the move.
In October '23, there were 6.9k incoming views, and 3.5k outgoing to 5 identified destinations: 1.64k to dialects, 1.08k to Flanders, 720 to people and two much smaller ones. --Joy (talk) 12:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  followup to move discussion