Talk:Dogville

message: POV interpretations
I think it's a bit POV to say that "Ultimately, the film is a Christian allegory" and "It's not Anti-American, it's Anti-Christian".  I debated removing that bit entirely, but have instead tried to reword it, incase there are actually a number of people who interpret the film this way.  Perhaps it could stand a bit more refinement in that department. --Whimper 04:43, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
"What if Jesus decided he had suffered enough at the hands of those who abuse Grace?"
Ungtss: I don't understand this phrase and that's why I changed it a few edits ago (i'm 201.138.245.25). What are you asking? I thought that you were equating (somewhat rough-handedly) those who abuse Grace with those who abused Jesus, and then wondering what would had happened if he had acted similarly. I'd rather have just the wondering part, as in: "What if Jesus had taken a similar decision?". Since you didn't like the solution, can you explain the phrase to me? I guess I must have misunderstood the whole thing. --Eliazar 11:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: apologies for the delay -- i'm studying for the bar exam:).  I thought it was better to expand the sentence simply for clarity -- instead of simply "similar decision," stating exactly which decision -- that of deciding that Grace had suffered enough.  the point i'm trying to make is this: From a Christian perspective, Grace in the film can be seen as a metaphor for Jesus, who is, in many ways, seen as Grace incarnate (using Grace in the sense of forgiveness and love, rather than a proper name).  Grace, much like jesus, came seeking only to love and share grace, but were both horribly abused by those they came to help.  however, there is one very important difference between the two -- instead of dying at the end, Grace in the movie turned around and killed her abusers.  it leaves some with this this question: "Jesus brought Grace to mankind hoping to make things anew, but the world and the church have stepped all over it and made a mockery of that grace.  What would happen if Jesus decided it had gone too far, and wiped them all out?"  In other words, "What if Jesus decided that they had abused his Grace too long?"  Is that clearer?  Ungtss 02:38, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: (Shame on me, I'm just the worst procrastinator.) I think I see your point. So you are playing on words there? Grace as in the movie character and grace as in Jesus grace? It wasn't clear to me at all, but it seems quite cool now. I guess the main trouble was that you're thinking on Jesus avenging himself in the present (from the Church et al), and I was thinking on him avenging himself in the past (from the Jews et al), to save himself from the crucifiction. Both musings seem equally plausible to me, but only after you explained yours to me; well, to be honest, mine seems more natural to me :). Anyway, I think the question is still confusing. The verbs at the beginning ("decided" but especially "had suffered") take me to the past and conflict with "abuse", which takes me to the present. Perhaps "What if Jesus decides he has suffered enough at the hands of those who have abused his grace?" is better? Even if you do opt for that version, I think you should put some of your above explanation in the article; your interpretation isn't obvious. Thanks for explaining. Eliazar 05:53, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: perfect:).  i'll fix the wording:).  Ungtss 14:07, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Interpretations debated

message: I've deleted the absolutely unsourced, unnecessary and unfounded "interpretations" section. If you want to attempt to slice and dice a film and fit it into your particular moral standpoint or whatever personal problems you may have, make one of the many hundreds of thousands of pages that exist on the internet at this time doing exactly the same. This is absolutely not the place for it and I'm surprised it was tolerated for as long as it was. :bloodofox: 00:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interpretations from various sourced reviewers are dandy, as long as it has some backing and is considered notable. However, this is hardly the place to write a review of something nor is it the place to expound one's personal interpretations - particularly some of the incredibly unfounded ones we had here before. This is why this section was deleted. :bloodofox: 02:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I've restored some of it, sans the Christian stuff which went too deeply into speculative original research territory to be comfortable. But pointing out the obvious fact that the film has been described as anti-American  and explaining some of its easily discernible motifs should certainly be acceptable and at most be in need of some additional citations.--Eloquence* 03:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interpretations deleted

message: If there is, I can't see it. I can watch the movie to learn the plot, thank you very much. Where are the bits discussing style, themes, and critical reaction? I'm sorry but I see absolutely no use to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.217.130.157 (talk) 01:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Shouldn't there be a "controversy" section here, summarizing all the intepretations? --CrisDias 11:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming they're sourced. :bloodofox: 00:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is there a point to this page?

message: :Image:Dogville movie32.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 14:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dogville movie32.jpg

message: The comments "It is at this point that the audience realizes that Kidman was one smooth criminal all along. The criminals drive away in several cars, leaving the dog barking ominously" qualify as original research, and therefore do not belong in this article. The audience may draw whatever conclusions they want without 218.188.2.81 telling them what to think. --starX 13:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is still too argumentative for encyclopedic context: "Nevertheless, most audiences have applauded the movie's largely successful attempt to portray Nicole Kidman as a smooth criminal figure." The paragraph might be better worded to indicate split opinions between the Anti-American reaction, and Kidman's performance as a criminal, but describing the character as "smooth" is too open to interpretation to be regarded as fact. The only reason for its inclusion should be if you are quoting a review directly, in which case you should provide more of a quotation for context, and be sure to cite the source properly. --starX 12:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is simply vandalism. It has been done by the same few anonymous IPs on a number of Wikipedia entries, many of which have nothing to do with crime. Revert it if you see it, please. :bloodofox: 17:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Outrageous interpretation, but then Jesus was also seen, in his time, as a criminal rabblerouser who deserved to be bound, flogged and killed in the most painful fashion. Strausszek (talk) 13:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More interpretations deleted 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Dogville. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080527234801/http://www.metacritic.com/film/awards/2004/toptens.shtml to http://www.metacritic.com/film/awards/2004/toptens.shtml
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 17:28, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: According to Björk's recent Facebook post, she thinks that Dogville was based on von Trier's experiences with her in Dancer in the Dark. To quote   I feel like this should be included somewhere. Do people agree? And where would it go? -- irn (talk) 01:38, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Björk's Facebook post?