Talk:No. 303 Squadron RAF

message: According to the main "Polish contribution to World War II" article, the polish 303 squadron accounted for 12% of the total kills in Battle of Britain. 
"The 303 Squadron, named after the Polish-American hero, General Tadeusz Kościuszko, achieved the highest number of kills (273) of all fighter squadrons engaged in the Battle of Britain, even though it only joined the combat on 1940-08-30: these 5% of pilots were responsible for a phenomenal 12% of total victories in the Battle"
But this article says 4.7% of total kills for the same Squadron with "only" 126 confirmed kills. So which article is correct?
:I have corrected the number of confirmed kills by the 303 squadron.--Witkacy 12:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  We can use a reference for this. What sources did you use? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:43, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Te 126 pochodzi (jak sie nie myle) z ksiazek Jerzego Cynka - co do tych 273 nie wiem do czego ta liczba nawiazuje, moze do zestrzelen wszystkich polskich pilotow (nie tylko z dyonu 303) podczas bitwy o Anglie.--Witkacy 19:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think 273 is the confirmed amount of kills for 303 Sqn for the entire war Pkmink 15:49, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Britain kill-score 

message: The article on Zdzisław Krasnodębski needs some work, if anyone is available to clean up, get references and improve the article.  Thanks! Leena (talk) 07:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Zdzisław Krasnodębski article

message: Please look for materials concerning Polish pilots take downs of V1 machines (might be interesting).
Boys from 303 were the only ones thats ware able to get near V1 (wing-to-wing) and take them out of course.
[Greeting to all RAF from PL]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.77.242.141 (talk) 00:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Terry Spencer's Times Obituary  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article5688664.ece claims HE INVENTED the tip 'em over manouvere and used it to take down a record eight V1 doodlebugs himself. Did he fly with 303 squadron ?  If so, well, here is your first reference link. If not, perhaps the claim that "only 303 squadron were able to get near" these things needs to be retracted. Johnvoisey (talk) 09:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing in article about V rockets... so I'll have to agree with John that anon's unreferenced claim above is not very reliable.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  14:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: V1

message: Varsovian, if you take a look at Replyentry's contribs, you'll see he or she is very new here. WP has policy on this - WP:Don't bite the newbies. The user may not have understood your post and may have expressed that in a rude way. Your response included this line: "Of course you can not mean that you are Polish and 303 were Polish and thus any comments which suggest that 303 was less wonderful than Poles say must be nonsense." You and I both know that you were being sarcastic here. Remember WP:Civility. Please also read the list of policy links I posted above, including WP:Staying cool when the editing gets hot. I'm also giving you a friendly heads up about Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. In case you are are not aware of this, WP takes an extremely serious view of national and ethnic stereotyping, the attempt to out editors' national or ethnic background, and the attempt to use prejudice about national or ethnic background to allege editing bias. One is entitled to an opinion that all Poles cannot accept criticism or that all Poles will talk up their own history - but that opinion has absolutely no place in the Wikipedia editing process. Stick to WP guidelines, not personal feelings. Moreover, every country on the planet has myths about its own history, and it is not up to us to debunk these myths, as per WP:OR. As we continue this discussion, we should be referring to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution rather than our own personal opinions about sources and editors. -Chumchum7 (talk) 08:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you would like to leave me a message, please do so on my talk page. This is the talk page for No. 303 Polish Fighter Squadron, please limit your comments to that topic. If you move this post to my talk page, I will reply to it there. Varsovian (talk) 10:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Varsovian 

message: I've recently tried to expand the article to include 303's combat involvement after the battle of britain, as they were engaged in most of the Fighter Command's endevours through 1941-44. Also expanded on the 1940 operations too, and tidied the grammar a little. Hope everone if okay with article thus far. Thanks Harryurz (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion of the article 

message: A horrible section to add because experience has shown that "Popular Culture" can mean that even a tiny, incidental mention of 303 Sqn can be construed as being important, according to the individual editor.
For example, "As part of an advertising campaign designed to highlight its concerns about the numbers of foreign workers (including Polish migrants) in the United Kingdom, the British National Party used the distinctly British icon of a Spitfire to illustrate its idea of a Battle for Britain. Ironically, the Spitfire shown in its advertising was RF-D from 303 (Polish) Squadron. It was the Spitfire with Donald Duck artwork of Polish ace Jan Zumbach, who during the Battle of Britain scored eight confirmed kills against Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters."
This is hardly important because a)It was accidental that Zumbach's 303 Sqn Spitfire was put on the poster.
b) The accidental inclusion of Zumbach's Spitfire has no relevance to the history of the unit - clearly the BNP had no idea and more than likely couldn't care less that it made a mistake.
"No. 303 is mentioned in the song "Aces in Exile" from the album Coat of Arms by Swedish metal band Sabaton. Also mentioned in the song are No. 310 Squadron RAF and No. 401 Squadron RCAF, which were also manned by foreign pilots participating in the Battle of Britain." So a Swedish metal band mentions 303 Sqn? Is the song in Swedish, or can others listen in? How often and in what context is 303 Sqn "mentioned"?
"As part of the 'Bloody Foreigners' series Channel 4 also commissioned digital agency fish in a bottle to create an online game that allows players to relive some of the history of 303 squadron and its involvement in the Battle of Britain. " Reads like an advertisement for fish-in-a-bottle.
If the appearence of 303 sqn is incidental, or accidental, it is not relevant to this article. ◆Min✪rhist✪rian◆MTalk  00:00, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture etc 

message: An image caption mentions "Left stairs down". Is that a literal translation of a Polish phrase, or the contemporary phrase used by the 303 or RAF? If not, the current name for the formation is "Echelon left". Lstor (talk) 03:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left stairs down 

message: Where is Paskiewicz? He was the first to shoot down plane for 303 squadron.Ovsek (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing 

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Polish RAF pilot shot down in his spitfire. Some foreign language sources exist, can anyone read Polish? Some sources have been added to the AfD perhaps we can shore up the article.  I've added sources, links, etc.  There may be more? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:07, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tadeusz Arentowicz]] up for deletion

message: Text and references copied from Tadeusz Arentowicz to No. 303 Squadron RAF.  See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 03:03, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Attribution

message: Should be added to 303 pilots 
Piotr’s final flight was on June 27, 1941. Pilots from 1 Polish Fighter Wing were ordered to fly over France in the morning as part of Circus 25 (Z.181). Their target supposed to be a steel factory in Lillie and the Poles were ordered to fly at 13 – 16,000 feet as top cover for 24 Blenheims. As the weather worsened, instead Poles were ordered to sweep the area of Le Touquet and Gravelines. The Polish formation was led by Wing Commander John Kent and Wing Commander Piotr Łaguna, both using aircraft from 303 Squadron: P8567 RF-D and P8331 RF-M respectively. 2A00:23C7:A31E:F301:2D3E:AEB5:BB71:4914 (talk) 06:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Łaguna was a 302 pilot. At the time of his death he advanced to be the wing commander of No. 131 Wing RAF, which contained 302, 303, and probably 308 at that time, so he was the CO above the CO of 303, but he wasn't 303.--Ace303 (talk) 12:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poitr Laguna 

message: There is a lot about how many kills the squadron got (including, quite reasonably, disagreements about the exact number), but there is nothing saying their losses. CrickedBack (talk) 14:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need to say what the losses were.  

message: Not even aviation related nor military affiliated. 72.214.215.25 (talk) 23:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to hacking group is irrelevant. 

message: I have translated the article into Russian, but still cannot find information on initial number of Polish pilots enlisted to RAF in 1940 or the flying force of #303 for that matter. Please advise. Basicowes (talk) 10:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  how many ?