Talk:Diyarbakır/Archive 1

message: Should the main article be moved to Diyarbakır? Gerry Lynch 23:11, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe so. Olessi 21:45, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Isn't Diyarbakir sometimes called Dikranagertz by Armenians who once lived there? (If people can reply to this without arguing about the Genocide, that would be great. I would love to know more about the history behind the names. Thanks!)
:I believe the Armenian name is Dikranagert. I shall try to write that in Armenian to add to the article. --Gareth Hughes 22:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Utterly cool. Thank you! 38.2.108.125 21:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dikranagertz 

message: A map reference with the above caption was added by User:Retau (although he used this Google URL:). The map includes the credit "© M. R. Izady. For class use only." It would seem to be the same person as this citation:
The Kurds: A Concise Handbook, By Mehrdad Izady, Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations, Harvard University, Taylor and Francis International Publishers/ Washington – Philadelphia - London
that was added  +  by User:66.79.163.189.
--Moby 11:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: GA: Mehrdad Izady is a stupid man, a very stupid man. He is a Professor at the University of Harvard, and I wonder why Harvard has Professors such as he. For example, he could not even be a mere teacher here in Armenia, even teaching children. It's amazing,  it's amazing, it's very amazing.
--Cretanforever 15:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: God bless Turks. These (GA) are very fascists. Wow, very offensive!! Their hatred towards Muslims even if nominally is incredible. 66.79.163.189 16:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrative Units of Contemporary Kurdistan 

message: this article is turning out to be an article of kurdish propaganda and advertising of kurdish separatist movements. Possibly in the future these propaganda editors start adding statements about Turkish hostility. The motto of Turkey is "peace at home and peace in the world". Kurds of Turkey know and support this quite well.
Most of the Kurds living Turkey are against these kind of separatist movements. We'll continue living in peace with our Kurdish friends together.
Yeah right, that's why there's so many Kurdish refugees in Europe running away from the Turkish army and police. We live in peace and we'll continue living in peace while our women and men get tortured or executed because they are Kurdish or spoke Kurdish or even Turks who defended this will get punished harshly like İsmail Beşikçi. We'll live in peace, in Istanbul, while at Diyarbakir people are dying of hunger. We'll live in peace but hide the fact in your identity card you have to be Islamic and Turkish, choiceless. We'll live in peace if the Kurds shut up and be Turkified or else Semdinli. We'll live in peace if Kurdish is not spoken, studied and lived. We'll live in peace as long as Kurdish is terrorism. Do we live in peace or do we pretend to be in peace? Ozgur Gerilla 12:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: kurdish propaganda

message: Please do not edit archived pages. If you want to react to a statement made in an archived discussion, please make a new header on THIS page. Baristarim 20:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: When mentioning PKK, it should be provided as an important information that it is a terrorist organization which is world-wide recognized by international organizations such as the EU. The activities of PKK cannot be named as 'guerilla war', these activities are constituted of terrorist activities.
*We follow simple guidelines of Wikipedia the free encyclopedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Words_to_avoid#Terrorist.2C_terrorism—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kursarta (talk • contribs) 
:Yes, and it says it can be mentioned that it is considered a terrorist organization by many people and countries.. Baristarim 21:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which, it is by the way :) Baristarim 21:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "whilst" the sources are properly shown, just go to BBC website, type "PKK" in the search box and you got thousands of sources - just couple of clicks away!! :)) Baristarim 21:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: I have reverted back to my version and restored most of other peoples edits to merge the versions. I did my best to provide a better version. Please work over this version than a revert. The total change is:  some being User:Future Perfect at Sunrise's edits. I have removed most of the images since they are a commons gallery now. -- Cat chi? 13:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts and edits 

message: Most of the content on the article is plausible but unsourced. I have tagged them with 's for this reason. -- Cat chi? 13:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of citation 

message: I have tagged it with  until that is resolved. -- Cat chi? 14:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: As per [[WP:AWT]] article has weasel statements that needs to be rewriten 

message: GlobalSecurity.org reference should be removed that map is from the USSR era and its margins have a ridiculous (60% - 100%) margin of error. -- Cat chi? 14:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Existing referances 

message: Diyar Doesnt mean "Land" , it means "Homes" or "District" in arabic , Singular : Daar , "Home" Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 07:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the plural of house دار in Arabic is Duur دور.  Diyar does mean land or district or region.  Check Lisan Al Arab. --Maha Odeh (talk) 11:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diyâr 

message: Can somebody explain this to me? This isn't vandalism. I am genuinely curious as to why "panda sex" is so much more popular in Diyarbakir than anywhere else in the world, and why the top 5 cities for that term are Turkish. Do they discuss it in schools or somesuch? Most animal sex queries are most popular in Pakistan; this is an outlier.
:"Panda" must be Turkish (or Kurdish) slang for something else - though who knows what!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.109.43 (talk) 21:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explain please? 

message: Does Diyabakir belong to Mesopotamia? If so, it should be mentioned in the introduction.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sehzades (talk • contribs) 17:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mesopotamia

message: Hi
Im very interested about the village history of kabi(bagivar) near Diyarbakir. Is there any one who knows anything about the peple there the village history, I would apprecaite any good information regarding this subject. My main interest is what happened there in 1400 -1700 AD.
thanks in advance.
email: suryoyo@kth.se
//Michael  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suryoyo (talk • contribs) 10:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Bagivar (Kabï) 

message: Coin of the Artuqids minted in Diyarbakır in the 12th century. Feel free to insert them into the article. PHG (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Coinage

message: EliasAlucard wrote that "The 20th century:  most suryoye from diyarbakir identify as assyrians", but could only provide a webpage full of links as a source. Only one link item in the list mentions Diyarbakır:
* The Assyrian Orthodox Church of the Virgin Mary, Paramus, New Jersey Home Page [the first Syrian Orthodox Church established in the United States by immigrants who came from Diyarbakir, Turkey in late 1890's]. 
But that website (http://www.syrianorthodoxchurch.org/east-usa/parishes/paramus.htm) doesn't even exist. And if you look at the base website (http://www.syrianorthodoxchurch.org) it doesn't mention Assyrians, but only Syriac Christians.
So until there's a source that mentions that Ottoman Diyarbakır Christians viewed themselves as Assyrians, then let's leave it at Syriac.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.224.192 (talk) 21:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here you go: http://web.archive.org/web/20070204142807/http://www.syrianorthodoxchurch.org/east-usa/parishes/paramus.htm — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 14:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing on that webpage which says that Diyarbakır Christians from the Syriac Church thought themselves as Assyrian at the time (which is your claim). Assyrian (and Aramaean!) are incorrect until you find a source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.102.136.205 (talk) 20:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh okay. I'm just not going to take this trolling answer seriously. You obviously didn't even read the site, or you read it and are in denial. — EliasAlucard / Discussion 19:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not trolling. You are linking to a website (deleted off the internet, I might add) which contains some keywords but no information of any substance. Ordtoy (talk) 04:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syriac vs. Assyrian 

message: The name Bakir in Diyarbakir is not derived from the arab tribe by the same name. The name now rederects to the article Banu Bakir. The Bakir of Diyarbakir is already mentioned by Ptolomey who calls this area Bagrauandene Regio.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.229.153.37 (talk) 16:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bakir 

message: It is stated that 72% of population speak Kurdish in daily works? It is false!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.170.14.10 (talk) 19:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurdish speaking 

message: The turks can say whatever they want Amed (diyarbakir) has always been the capital of Kurdistan.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrkurdistan (talk • contribs) 21:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital 

message: This claim:
looks fishy to me. It was based on an anon talk contribution a year ago (), but has anybody verified the reference? What is the supposed relation between the Arabic "Bekr", the Kurdish "Bagirawand" and the Armenian/Georgian "Bagrationi"/"Bagratids"? Why are those "Bagirawand" not mentioned in the history section, what role did they supposedly play, and when? Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am uncertain is there a scientific consensus for this? Feels unnecessarily complicated. I do not see the point of the Harvard University link on the page. -- Cat chi? 13:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: UBUIBIOK (talk) 16:14, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation needed 

message: I have reverted Bertilvidet because practically no one on that list is sourced so I'd like to give more time to that list. -- Cat chi? 14:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable residents

message: Diyarbekir, idris inci. its the pearl of Turkey when it comes the kabap and warm beauty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.47.164.222 (talk) 16:11, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diyarbakır 0Rh positive  

message: Burada yoğun olarak Türk istilası görüyorum. Irkçı zihinlerin; gerçek kaynaktan değilde, onlara öğretildiği kaynaklarla doldurmuşlar.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.229.88.7 (talk) 11:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Türk İstilası

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message: The Demographic section is very barebones, and it should be expanded with a current population number, possible historical populations, and numbers for the Turks, Assyrians, Armenians, and any others that are within the area. I added a number and source on the number of Kurdish speakers, but I think the bias of a site named "The Kurdish Project" should be noted. It's certainly better than nothing though. 2607:FCC8:C2C4:5B00:C0B6:5E13:76B3:FA51 (talk) 23:31, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographic section 

message: The History section is summarised at its start. I removed this summary, as it's not the usual format, i.e. usually the only summary in an article is the lede. Is there any reason a section summary is used here and not elsewhere? Konli17 (talk) 13:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section summary 

message: About the latest update in the article, reliable public information has been retrieved for an unconvincing reason. Nor can it be justified by Hashemite theories as it is history and does not coincide with what was mentioned above. If you have a note, write it here or on the article talk page before starting any cross-out. Torivar (talk) 00:02, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I assume you mean removed, not retrieved? And courtesy pinging , as they reverted your edit. Perryprog (talk) 00:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the note, yes I meant "removed". Torivar (talk) 00:12, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Diyarbakir Eyalet already has a huge section. The rest is unrelated or pure fringe theory. Beshogur (talk) 00:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , This is another accusation, without elaborating.  It's  summarize not pure fringe, but on the other hand I put together many reliable sources that talk about specific periods of rule. Then stop editing, the discussion has not ended, it comes to become liberation war. Torivar (talk) 00:31, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , that with present-day Kurds is the same as the population during the times of Corduene has been discussed extensively before. See the discussion there first. Consider including some of the quite extensive info at History of Diyarbakır but most not as History of Kurds, but History of Diyarbakir.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

text: all maps you have put doesn't have a single relation with the article, the map about Abdul Hamid II period is pure original research. Rest of your text doesn't have any relation with Diyarbakir either, plus it's fringy and original research. About Diyarbakir eyalet, see "Safavids and Ottomans", that's the reason why I reverted. Beshogur (talk) 15:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I have reviewed all the maps and sources, and it became clear to me that this is the only file that doesn't reach Diyarbakir, but the rest is a brief actual history. Then I explained that there is a brief history in the introduction "Antiquity" and more details by sections like Ecclesiastical history. It can be improved, but not written off. Torivar (talk) 15:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine let's see what other users going to say. Beshogur (talk) 15:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Referring to  Torivar talk ✉ 19:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Kurds as a ethnicity didn't exist till the Middle Ages, the fact that someone attempted to include the Hurrians, Gutians, Medes, and Corduene as part of "Kurdish history" is absolutely mind boggling. That is some next level WP:OR, if not POV. Please don't make me wack out all the sources that support my comment (really, please don't, it's a chore). Beshogur's revert was correct. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems that you don't differentiate between the ancestors and the genetic interdependence of peoples and ethnic history, then it is clear that the section is devoted to Kurdish history, but in the introduction it talks about some ancient peoples from which the Kurds descended especially those who lived in the Diyarbakir region or ruled it. "There is also no need to attack in sarcastic terms I didn't force you into an Discussion". Torivar talk ✉ 16:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, no. There were no such thing as 'Kurds' back then, thus it is not part of Kurdish history. Claiming that all those entities were 'part of Kurdish history' is WP:TENDENTIOUS at best. That the Kurds were descended from these groups is not even a established fact, but a theory. Ultimately we're all descended from loads of ethnicities. Claiming that Hurrian history is 'Kurdish history' would be like saying that Byzantine/Greek/Lydian history is Turkish history. I'm not sure I understand the citation, since no one was attacked. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the point as long as we are talking about the ancestors meaning the Kurds don't yet exist, so we cannot say that the Kurds came from nowhere. The division's name can be changed anyway but this is not a justification for write it off. Torivar talk ✉ 16:32, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:OR and WP:POV. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Just please don't try to claim that Hurrian history is Kurdish through genetics or something like that (that is still WP:OR). How is there any problem with naming the section? Just don't add the word 'Kurdish' to it, let the Gutians etc have their own section, voilà. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:32, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section