Talk:VSS Vintorez

message: I would just like to note some of the media I've seen the VSS in:
Video Games:
STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl 
Battlefield: Bad Company
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Tactical Strike
Anime:
Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu
:: yep - The video game Jagged Alliance 2: Unfinished Business includes it as one of the many guns you can find among soldiers you defeat. 99.226.185.32 (talk) 08:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Culture

message: The VSS uses a crazy 6 lug reciprocating gas piston system that bears discussion. Its a striker-fired rifle as well which is interesting. Overall, such an interesting rifle needs a better article. Too bad that sources on the VSS are few and far between. El Jorge (talk) 13:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Action?

message: Did something happen to the main image? It's still there on the Russian page, so I'm pretty sure it's fair use. 97.125.48.202 (talk) 01:34, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: "The suppressor can be easily removed for storage or maintenance, but the VSS should not be fired without the suppressor."
Anyone know why this is?
85.240.189.9 (talk) 07:13, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Russian page claims that the barrel is full of holes during almost all its length. The fumes dissipate through those wholes to the outside silencer, where they extinct each other by interference and where they "blur" the instant shot sound of solid barrel into a somewhat longer noise (time of bullet going through the bullet). Thus, using the gun without the silencer would probably make the hot fumes dangerous to the shooter himself, and perhaps the barrel cooling would suffer as well ? 85.90.120.180 (talk) 10:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

text: The answer is that the official manual of arms for the weapon explicitly states that it is forbidden to fire the weapon without the silencer installed. It is a factory requirement from the manual. We can speculate on what would happen if you did it anyway (it may be the weapon and the shooter would be OK, more or less), but this is what the designers say. Since it's a military equipment, the recommended manner of usage is also the only method an operator should utilize normally. Considering how drastically a suppressor changes the dynamics of self-loading weapons (backblast, pressure envelope etc.), it may very well be actually unsafe or at least unreliable to fire VSS without its suppressor. Surely, regular non-suppressed weapons often behave very differently with a suppressor attached. 46.254.217.130 (talk) 19:57, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of barrel for cleaning but not firing?

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message: There is some incorrect info here that I think is taken from the Janes article linked at the end (http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Infantry-Weapons/VSS-9-mm-silent-sniper-rifle-Russian-Federation.html), the bit that states: 
“The VSS forms part of the VSK silenced sniper system. With the system, the rifle can be coupled to the PKS-07 collimated telescopic sight or the PKN-03 night sight. When the rifle forms part of the VSK system the range of ammunition can be extended to include the SP-6 and PAB-9 cartridges.”
I think this is confusing the VSS with the VSK-94, a seperate system based on a different weapon. (The VSS is derived from the AS and SR-3, the VSK-94 is derived from the 9A-91). The VSK-94 is a newer, competing platform filling the same role as the VSS; the mentioned PKS-07 and PKN-03 sights were developed for that platform. (You can see a VSK-94 with an attached PKS-07, the default for that weapon, here: http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=117&Itemid=434). The VSK-94 was intended as a cheaper alternative, which is why it was made to be able to use the 'budget' PAB-9 ammo, which the VSS cannot, no matter what designation is applied.
The confusion probably comes from the original system designation applied to the VSS/6P29 in combination with the SP5/7N8 subsonic round: when developed, in 1987, the two together were referred to as BSK. See this link: http://zonawar.ru/rash_guns/rg_spesial_vss_eng.html particularly these lines: 
“The BSK noiseless sniper system was developed at the TSNIITOCHMASH Research Institute (Klimovsk) by P. I. Serdyukov and V. F. Krasnikov and adopted for service in 1987. The BSK system includes a special sniper rifle (VSS Vintorez. index 6P29) and a special 9 mm round (SP 5, index 7N8).”
Also, in Russian, V is written as B, the VSS as noted in this article, is actually a ВСС, using native characters. VSK/BSK
Its also possible there is a mixup with the VKS (Vintovka Krupnokalibernaya Snaiperskaya — large-calibre sniper rifle) rifle, too, see: http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=116&Itemid=438&lang=ru – this is another different weapon, designed for a similar role to both the VSS and VSK-94, but with greater range and armour penetration.
I'm not going to make the change myself, I dunno if I've satisfied the standards for authoritive sources, but I wouldn't trust the Janes article here, they seem to be confused.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.80.171 (talk) 12:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion from the Janes article 

message: Same issue here,
please stop deleting Georgia from the users section. This weapons and the AS VAL are frequently used by the Georgian police in raid operations and it is also in the inventory of the military special forces. TheMightyGeneral (talk) 13:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Users of that weapon 

message: References are missing. NISMO1968 (talk) 04:19, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Users 

message: As I understand, the weapon was developed for the KGB, am I right? Only later was it also adopted by the army. So why would the KGB need a weapon to silently and discreetly kill people? Were there so many dangerous underground criminal gangs during Soviet times that this was needed, or did the development of this weapon have a more "political" nature? Or is it that the KGB also operated in a similar vein as the CIA in places like, for instance, Afghanistan? But if the latter is the case, wouldn't there be a siginificant risk of losing state of the art equipment to the enemy if a mission failed? Is there any documentation on this, worth submitting to the article? --89.10.230.40 (talk) 12:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Use