Talk:Revolver (2005 film)

message: I haven't seen this movie, but I came here looking for a plot summary after watching a few clips on the recommendation of a friend.  The plot section stops being a summary about half way through and starts analyzing character motivations and themes.  The clips that I saw were only tangentially mentioned in the plot section and still have no idea how they fit into the film's narrative.  The section should be rewritten to give a summary of what actually happens before any analysis takes place.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.84.252.51 (talk) 15:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot section needs rewrite

message: This is the only place I've seen the movie listed as 110 minutes. The original cut is listed most places as 115 minutes. The US Blu-ray is 104 minutes and the new Dutch Blu-ray is 112 minutes.
It would be nice if someone could list the differences in the various cuts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trefork (talk • contribs) 14:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Versions/Cuts?

message: I seems as the movie is going to re-appear on the screen on decmeber 7th, 2007. Anyone who knows about this, could add it to the main article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.11.241.215 (talk) 18:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Picked up by Sony?

message: What happens in the last third of the film?  What's the relationship between Dorothy Macha and Jake Green, and Jake Green and Sam Gold?
::It has been suggested that Sam Gold is the Devil, not a real character, he is played in Jake's mind and he eventually defeats him by going against his instincts and doing "good", i.e. donating money or apologising to Macha. The con and chess man are angels, Jakes guardian angels; they are definitely real in the movie, and perform miracles i.e. warning him several times to avoid getting killed, and possibly curing his blood problem. They help Jake face Sam Gold but that is nothing more than the devil inside him, and turn him towards the right path. I'm still trying to piece the parts together but I enjoy the rhythm and style so much that I'm willing to do the effort.Cgonzalezdelhoyo 06:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe your idea is plausible, however, I propose that Sam Gold is in fact somewhat symbolic of a collective consciousness, not unlike Richard Dawkins' idea of 'Memes', bits of information passed from one individual to another, except in this case Sam Gold would be symbolic of an established bartering system, a system humans have created which has evolved into money, which we equate with power, which leads to lust and greed for power, hence the poetic piece about greed being an angel. More evidence to show my proposal holds water is when Jake's brother phones him and tells him to "Get out of there", you're shown how the information is passed from one place to another. Both of our ideas can work, I believe Richie may have purposefully made the movie as flexible and dynamic to different peoples tastes and beliefs as possible. For instance, the blood disease idea came from two doctors. But, doctors would need to send off his blood to a lab for testing. All Avi and Zak need do is get in between the flow of information from the lab to whichever doctor. Avi and Zak later on in the movie say that giving the money to pay peoples debts hurts Gold, because there are no longer debts, which means Sam Gold no longer controls them. At the beginning of the movie when he gets rid of the three Eddys simply by "giving them enough rope to hang themselves", he is doing something similar, letting the three Eddys' greed destroy themselves. Just my two cents. I'd like to help clean this article up and I believe this is an awesome movie. Pity nobody else seems to think so. --Ultravio 14:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to know when Zak and Avi tell that paying debts hurts gold or what exactly is said, could anybody tell me, because if that is true it would vitiate my comprehension. So, in my comprehension Sam Gold is not a real character, he is made up by Avi and Zak, the two Loan-sharks. Avi and Zak are the only two gold would not tough and nobody sees Gold, there are only representers. Gold knows and controls everything just like they do ie. how they save his life, what happened Jake before he went to prison and so on. They make Jake that Sam Gold is he so that Jake thinks this voice he hears in his back of his head is Gold. What do you think about that? Stelter 13:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sam Gold

message: This article has no NPOV, failures in spelling and grammar. I'll start editing, however, a complete rewrite may be in order. FerventDove 09:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Guy Ritchie commentary on the DVD is very informative, and it's the ultimate "reliable source" on the film.  His concepts on left, right and center column energies are identical to those of Kabbalic mysticism.  There's literally no variation from the actual traditions of Jewish mysticism.  The idea that beauty and greed are painted as a "Destructive Angel" is a term that is literally lifted out of Kabbalic scripture.  In fact, the reason that the studio almost didn't endorse the movie was because of all the Kabbalic references.  He also explains precisely who/what Sam Gold is. Max314 22:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horrible. 

message: Why should we put user reviews from IMDB on here? Unless the reviewer is a proffessional critic or such, shouldn't we not allow it? For this reason, I'm deleting the relivant part... --Jazzwick 18:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cult Status

message: Somebody please help me out. When is Revolver going to be released for DVD in the United States? Do they even plan to export it? If not I might need to invest in a region 2 DVD player. If the movie is anything like Lock Stock or Snatch, it is a sin to have it unavailable here. Thanks! -- 166.66.119.174 20:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Region 1 DVD Format

message: The 'Themes' section currently draws connections between Kabbalistic concepts and three of the characters:
:"Avi is a black man who is somewhat effeminate in his physical appearance, clothing and mannerisms.  The 'left pillar' or 'left column' in Kabbalic traditions is often associated with 'the feminine' and with the colour black."
Avi is played by André Benjamin, aka André 3000 from the band Outkast.  Characterizing him as 'effeminate' is stretching it a bit far.  He is about as 'effeminate' as Jeremy Irons or Ralph Fiennes, i.e. not very.  He just isn't playing a threatening 'gangsta' figure.  Surely there is room for black actors outside of thugs and gangsters?  Isn't there? 76.115.57.47 (talk) 15:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: WTF

message: What is the relevance/meaning of the credits (or lack thereof)? I think this should be included in the article. Reahad 03:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credits 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

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message: Hi, all. Check out this edit. Which version of the plot do we want in the article? The version that was in the theatrical release? The version that's on the US DVD? I'm open to discussion. -- Swerdnaneb 20:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different versions of the plot 

message: Is there anyone who has found the source material for "the road to suicide" which relays the last 2 quotes of the movie?  I cannot find it anywhere and therefore was thinking that this "quote" might be a con and related to the destruction of jacob green's ego or rather the suicide of his ego...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashman420 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The book is fictional.  The phrase appears in various books and a 1977 speech, but the book in the film only exists to provide the quotes we see on the screen.  (Much like the book 'The Philosophy of Time Travel' in Donnie Darko, a film that has a lot in common with Revolver.)76.115.57.47 (talk) 14:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes in the Film 

message: "Jake also steps off the proverbial chess board by making a conscious effort to reverse everything that his nature (ego) tells him to do"
The Ego is not his "nature" its the construction, the con. He is trying to go against everything his ego tells him so that he can access his nature or true self. That's how I read it and the above description doesn't make any sense, so I'll change it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.31.18 (talk) 05:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading part in plot 

message: I think the plot should be rewritten to feature less text about the beginning of the film and more about the latter part, after Mr Green is recruited by Zach and Avi, where things of consequence actually happen. The first part of the movie is not only the shorter one, but also merely the introduction to the movie and the concepts that characters later delve into. I don't see why it should be given 3/4 of the plot section. 78.0.220.42 (talk) 19:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Because that's the only bit that makes sense. The second half of the film is self-indulgent bull crap. 81.132.173.151 (talk) 12:21, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot giving undue weight 

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message: That is all...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:217F:5360:0:0:0:F1DF (talk) 06:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't know what's worse: the Article or the Talk 

message: If you search the number 12 and its significance in Judaism it is a heavenly number; a positive time as well as involving the 12 months in a year passing. Seeing as how time was also of much importance in the film the number settles in as equal to the rest of the Kabballah themes and suggestions. 32.219.235.166 (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the number 12