File talk:East-Hem 1200ad.jpg

message: There are some parts of this map that may need some work. Most of the information was taken off of the Euratlas map of Europe in 1200 AD, as well as maps available on Wikipedia or found via Google. There were some Kingdoms in West Africa around this time (I believe it was the Huasa?), and I'm not very confident in the Central Asian borders, specifically Kara Kitai and the Uyghurs. Also I believe the borders for Kashmir may be off. If you have any information available, please email me at talessman@yis.us, or reply on this page. Thomas Lessman 15:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

message: Hi,
The Tatars are shown in the east of Mongolia on your map for 1100, but they are somewhere around the Sayan mountains or Tuva on your map for 1200. I thought I missed such a movement when I was reading the books, so I checked again. The Tatars were chased by Jin Dynasty warlord to the river Ulz in 1190s. This is Northeast of Khentei aimag ("province") and north of Dornod aimag. Then Temujin and Tooril Khan defeated them at Serven Khaalga in Bayanhutag soum (district), to the south of the centre of Khentei aimag. Later, Temujin fought the rest of the Tatars at Dalan Nemurge. Judging by the name of the site, I suppose it's the river Nömrög (Classical spelling is Nömurge), at the eastmost corner of Mongolia. So I think they didn't move to the northwest by 1200 but stayed in the east.
The Taichiud were at the north of the Mongols. 
The Merkits were around the northern border of nowadays Mongolia. Later they were chased to Bargujin, around nowadays city Irkutsk in Russia.
The west and east coasts of the Lake Baikal were always populated by Hori Tumet (Buryat). This is important, because Alun-Goo, pro-mother of the Borjigin clan came from there. Her family was moving from Bargujin southwards into modern Mongolia where she met her future husband.
You have shown “Tuvans”. Are you sure that an ethnic group existed under this name in the 12th-13th centuries. Gantuya eng (talk) 03:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tuvans are mentioned among the forest peoples, I think (Tuba). I also think the Mongols should be closer to the Onon river, and the Kereit about where today Ulaanbaatar is. Yaan (talk) 10:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the Kereits are said to have been between Hentei range and Hangai range and the camp of Tooril Khan is said to have been in the "groves of the Tuul river", which is approximately nowadays Ulaanbaatar or a bit upper along the river. It's imagined somewhere between the Zaisan bridge and Marshall bridge. There're lots of willow. Gantuya eng (talk) 15:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mongolian tribes 

message: :::Is Whales instead of Wales correct, or just a typo?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaan (talk • contribs) 11:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Yaan. It's a typo, I think I was tired when I labeled Wales. I've corrected it already but am waiting on a few other corrections before I upload the corrected version of the map. Thomas Lessman (talk) 15:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whales or Wales? 

message: All bounaries North from Pereyaslavl (you are signing it Pereyslav, it is wrong name) have very, very large distorsions. And you, dear Thomas, can find a lot of differences with source map from Euratlas. I hope this distorsions (up to 500 km, what will be if Paris moves to Amsterdam?) are from your private technical problems, not from based on your private opinion boundaries shift. Any private opinions can be placed at discussion pages in WP, not in articles.Bogomolov.PL (talk) 18:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See my response to same editor's comments below, regarding Yakuts. Same response applies here. Thomas Lessman (talk) 21:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  North-East Europe 

message: I recieved info late last week that my information on "Mali" in West Africa is incorrect. Bruce Gordon, author of the incredible "Regnal Chronologies" site (http://starnarcosis.net/obsidian/regindex.html) emailed me to let me know that Mali actually didn't exist as an empire yet (not until circa 1240 AD). It currently was part of the "Sosso Empire", which itself was a remnant of the older Empire of Ghana (I believe I wrote that correctly!).
I definitely appreciate Bruce's work and any information he sends my way. I've made a correction to the map in that regards, and will upload the corrected version soon. Thomas Lessman (talk) 01:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mali?

message: There are some differences in North African borders between my East-Hem_1200ad.jpg map and the map I used as reference, the Euratlas map of Europe in 1200 AD.
Primarily, my map shows the Almohades and Ayyubbids controling slightly more land than the Euratlas maps show. The reason is because the East-Hem maps show physical geography (like mountains and elevated lands) and the Euratlas maps don't. Thus, I extend their lands to the nearest logical extent based on physical geography. Also I've seen plenty of other maps showing the Almohades had more territory than is shown on the Euratlas maps, so I went with the other maps on those borders. Thomas Lessman 17:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In North Africa the most important is oasis and caravan routs control. If you have noted on the source map oasises you can start with boundaries precising. Bogomolov.PL 17:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation of Differences in East-Hem 1200ad

message: Hi!
The borders of Sweden, Norway and Denmark are a bit off in this map. The Finnish part of Sweden did not span across Karelia to the White Sea, and Norway is too short.
Anyway, this is a good and accurate map source for Scandinavian countries. Hope it helps! --ざくら木 16:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wondered about those borders, but my source map from Euratlas.com didn't cover that area. So I had to make a guestimate. Thank you for pointing out that site; I remember seeing it a long time ago but forgot about it. And thank you for helping me correct those borders for 1200 AD; I'll look into the other maps as well. Thomas Lessman (talk) 20:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The borders of Scandinavian countries are incorrect 

message: You seem to have some errors with Estonian territory. First, what exactly is supposed to be this Tarbatu? Tarbatu is an Estonian town (2nd biggest), today known as Tartu. It has never been a separate country and has been separated from the rest of Estonia (or rest of southern Estonia) only from 1030-1061, when it was held by Russians. Therefore you should remove this area and the name Tarbatu. Estes are known as Estonians, and should stand so on the map. Also, neither Estonians or Livonians had their own country, so the borders should be removed. The first real borders in the northern Baltics appeared, when Denmark captured northern Estonia and the Livonian Confederation was created to compromise the semi-independent Livonian Order and Bishoprics of Dorpat, Ösel-Wiek, Riga and Courland (as seen here ). H2ppyme (talk) 14:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estonia 

message: Where are the Chud Zavolochskaya, the Komi and the Principality of Great Perm??? They were independent and did not belong to Samoyeds, Bulgaria or Novgorod at that time. Also, Yakuts never lived that far to the West, they lived near the Baikal lake. СЛУЖБА (talk) 05:55, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NE Europe. 

message: Volga Bulgaria was Islamic. СЛУЖБА (talk) 06:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volga Bulgaria was Islamic.