Talk:DeMolay International

message: DeMolay IS a secret Society!
From the article "Secret Society":
Alan Axelrod, author of the International Encyclopedia of Secret Societies and Fraternal Orders, defines a secret society where:
    * The organization is exclusive
    * It claims to own special secrets
    * It shows a strong inclination to favor its own''
Yes, demolay is exclusive
Yes, we have secrets
Yes, Comradeship is the strongest cardinal Virtue!
the DeMolay article SHOULD be merged into Category:Secret Societies
201.92.47.14 (talk) 01:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: DeMolay itself is NOT a secret society.  DeMolay, along with every other Masonic body, is a public service organization that has a few secrets to distinguish members.  DeMolay, for example, has only 2 secrets.  Any adult is privy to this information if they would like.  The only group that these 2 secrets are held from are potential members (young men between the ages of 12-21).  I would hope that a fellow brother would be able to tell the difference. 72.81.98.135 (talk) 02:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding to Secret Societies

message: I would like to see the sponsoring body's functions, the advisory board's functions, the Dad Advisor's functions, what it takes to found a chapter and maintain one, a list of offices and how the officers are chosen and their duties, a likely program, and a description of the principal ancillary organizations: DeMolay Clubs and priories of the DeMolay Order of Knighthood.  What does anyone else think?  I know how most of this was thirty or forty years ago, but don't know how it is now.  If we get this, the article will have what the organization's website didn't have, last time I looked.  J S Ayer 18:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to pick, but W should be accurate in its terminology. All advisors carry the title "Dad." The Chapter Advisor is the chapter's liaison with the Advisory Council. The chairman of the Advisory Council is the Advisory Council's liaison with the sponsoring body. It is both vague and redundant to refer to one advisor or another as the Dad Advisor. kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 02:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions wanted 

message: I can't find any references of Bill Clinton being named an honorary IMC.  He is in the hall of fame, but I think that's it.  Generally Honorary IMCs are given out to people who worked hard for DeMolay.
:Clinton apparently says in his book that he was a Chapter MC, but the IMC web references seem to come from here and get populated to other sites.  This is easy to solve, though, as one can simply email DeMolay Intl. and ask them if Clinton is an IMC or not. MSJapan 16:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clinton 

message: Aren't there four elected officers: the 3 councilors and the treasurer, b/c he handles the chapter's money? Or was it just in my chapter that the treasurer was elected? 12.201.118.36 07:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Treasurer is not elected.  It must have been just your chapter.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.98.135 (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treasurer appointed? 

message: This article could use a little revision.  Any suggestions?  As soon as a consensus is taken on how the article should look, the cleanup tag should be removed.
:We need to add some more history of the organization, change some diction, add some links to state websites etc.
::Yes, yes, and no.  This article is not supposed to be a list of stuff, and the state sites should be accessible via the main DeMolay site.  This is an encyclopedia article, not a web portal.  But that gives me an idea, which I will consider further after I fix this article. MSJapan 17:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article is definitely needing it. Also, check out the discussion about creating a new article only for the order of DeMolay. So this article would stand for the organization DeMolay International that rules the order around the world. On this way, it would be easier to add more information  Arthurhosang (talk) 22:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , I started the cleanup, but it was rolled back because of errors (grammatical I guess). How can we start those revisions? I would be glad to proceed with it. Also I'm organising this article on my sandbox. Arthurhosang (talk) 08:51, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup Suggested

message: It was my understanding that DeMolay is a Masonic Sponsored organization, that it doesn't have the same status that the York Rite or the Shrine does?
: Done MDEdmonds 05:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No - all York Rite and Shriners are Masons, but DeMolays aren't. Bill Clinton is a DeMolay who never joined the Masons, for example.--SarekOfVulcan 22:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appendant Body? 

message: As a Demolay member growing up in the 70s I recall reading an encyclopedia entry (World Book, circa 1954) about the Order stating that membership was "open to white Christian boys". We had black members at the time, so this requirement was obsolete, but it would be interesting to see an "unauthorized" history of DeMolay featuring this and other information.67.160.170.214 14:34, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not here you won't.  Hearsay and personal recollection don't work in an encyclopedia. MSJapan 17:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course not.. and presumably, they didn't work in a early-50's World Book either. I'm not suggesting that personal recollections be included, only that there might be room for an objective history of the organization's eligibility standards.67.160.170.214 19:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I was a member in the 1980s. On paper, there was never any mention of any racial restrictions, and the organization claimed to be open. But I think many of the individual chapters had a lot of resistance to the idea of African-American members. I also believe there were parallel organizations (Knights of Pythagoris?) that reinforced this. In any case, if more information about this is found, it should clearly be added to the article - provided it's verifiable info and presented in a neutral way. NickBurns 18:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Racist history

message: In order to prevent this article from becoming a list of links, I propose we do not add any external links to any DeMolay organizations aside from the main site.  On another note, it should also prevent the edit warring going on with the Brazil link. MSJapan 12:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Amazing that there are no conspiracy theories mentioned here. :) metaspheres 09:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is because, unlike Masonry, DeMolay has never been accused or attacked by any conspiracy theories whatsoever. Avador 03:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a difficult time accepting that, considering that there are conspiracy theories about virtually every single human (and some non-human!) organization on the planet. Even the Boy Scouts have been attacked as being part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. DeMolay is also obviously connected to Masonry, making it an easy target. Considering to what ridiculous lengths writers like David Icke will go to in order to show patterns and connections, if what you claim is true, then it is definitely one for the books. Hell, this should warrant an entry in the Guinness World Book of Records.  metaspheres 20:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even so, that is only pure, unsourced speculation, and is considered original research. Avador 05:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Isn't DeMolay an anti Catholic society?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.190.114.174 (talk) 02:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, DeMolay is not anti-Catholic! Nor is it "anti-" anything else. It is for teaching good citizenship and responsible adulthood to young men.kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 22:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Conspiracy theories

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message: I have herd that Virginia Masonry does not recodnize DeMolay as a masonic body and will not sponcer any DeMolay chapters. I could be wrong however, I am in Washington state, still it's what i've herd.
Nope, I'm involved with Virginia DeMolay and Virginia Masonry and can assure you that this is most definitely not true. Darwin16 14:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're thinking of West Virginia. kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 02:40, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "every" chapter sponsered by a masonic body 

message: Do we really need seperate articles on Rainbow, DeMolay, Job's Daughters, and Triangle?  Why not merge them into one article on "Masonic Youth Organizations"? Blueboar 19:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind... after discussing at other articles I can see it will not work. Blueboar 23:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggested merger 

message: The big thing I notice is that the article is woefully short on references and citations.  I think this is a must do first step to move this remotely towards GA status. Blueboar 23:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving this article beyond start class 

message: I first started work on the youth Masonic groups 4 years ago making humble inroads to getting this started.  It's really great to see people pick up the ball and make this an outstanding article.  Get some sourcing in and this is first rate.  
Thanks again!  --Wgfinley (talk) 02:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congrats 

message: Being a Senior DeMolay myself, I know that there are more honors and awards than that of Legion of Honor and Chevalier.  If there's going to be a sub-section entitled Honors and Awards, I believe that there should be listed more than just 2 awards.  And you can take out the Sweetheart paragraph and make it its own section.  The Sweetheart is elected by each chapter, and is not necessarily something that every chapter wants to have.  I propose that the Honors and Awards section be updated and revamped with the information from the Honors and Awards section of the Official DeMolay Website. 72.81.98.135 (talk) 02:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honors and Awards 

message: I think it would be profitable to show the organization of jurisdictions as well as the International Supreme Council. What does everyone think?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koopakillers (talk • contribs) 22:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be a good idea but remember WP:NOR.kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 22:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jurisdictions 

message: I think it's fine to explain the use of the honorific "Dad" within the organization, but it doesn't seem proper to use it in other parts of the article when referring to people, such as Frank Land.  Presumably no one outside the organization would refer to him that way, so the wikipedia article should not either.  He should be referred to as anyone else is an encyclopedia article, as "Frank Land", "Mr. Land", etc.
Mnudelman (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Absolutely correct. I'll attend to it unless someone else is bold first. RiverStyx23{submarinetarget} 00:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:   RiverStyx23{submarinetarget} 00:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of "Dad" 

message: An IP editor keeps adding the "Decree of Ebon".  It is unclear what importance that degree possesses, as the IP editor has consistently failed to provide a citation to an independent reliable source. While I may believe that there is a Demolay degree of Ebon; I do not believe that it is notable, and I await reliable, independent sources for it before it is restored to the article. --Bejnar (talk) 06:31, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a Degree called Ebon on the Knighthood. I would say that to add information about thise degree here, we need to have at least a Knighthood section on this article ~~  Arthurhosang (talk) 22:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Degree of Ebon

message: This article needs citations to Reliable Sources, not just references to the organization's website. There have been many studies of Freemasonry and fraternal organizations. Don't any cover this one? If RS cannot be found, it would appear the organization is not notable and does not deserve an article. As it stands, it is virtually without any sources and could be deleted.Parkwells (talk) 13:45, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs sources

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In 1972/73 there was a DeMolay chapter in Mexico city....they were even represented at the 1972 convention in St. Louis.
Please remove all references to Mexico from this article.  Any organization in Mexico that uses DeMolay has never been authorized to exist from the International Supreme Council, and as such are clandestine.  This was communicated to all advisors in 2015 from the sitting Grand Master at the time, Stephen Crane.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.18 (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Under International - Find a Jurisdiction you can see the jurisdiction “Baja California” wich is in Mexico. I don’t know when it was added to DeMolay International’s website, but it seems that now Mexico has a DeMolay Jurisdiction (even though it’s only in one State) supported by DeMolay International.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthurhosang (talk • contribs) 06:35, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  DeMolay in Mexico 

message: According to the by-laws of DeMolay International, the Scribe is only selected by the Advisory Council.  He is not an elected officer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.18 (talk) 21:48, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scribe 

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replies: text: Thanks, Diannaa. Seeing you at the article, I was wondering why this article is on my watchlist. I looked in the edit history and saw: "07:02, 17 April 2015‎ Flyer22 Reborn (talk | contribs)‎ . . (29,523 bytes) (-826)‎ . . (Reverting User:PaulBustion88; WP:Sockpuppet of User:RJR3333.)." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:43, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: DeMolay is not, nor has ever been designed to be 'Young Masons'. While influenced by and created by a Mason, Frank Land did not intend for the organization to be used to train young men into becoming Masons. While I know several DeMolay who have gone on to become Masons, many don't. It's like saying that the Order of the Rainbow is the 'Young Order of the Eastern Star'.
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thread_title:  "Young Masons" 

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