Talk:Volkswagen Passat

message: I've seen a couple of B2 hatchback passats with the odd remark GT, along with 2,2 engines. Did volkswagen build B2 with such engines originally or are these cars modified? Norwegian salesthread 85.166.149.32 14:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: I'm confused.  Did VW in Europe market a car named the Passat in the 70s and 80s?  In the US, the passat doesn't appear until the early 90s.  The VW Quantum and VW Fox pre-date that.  The Passat models are usually designated with a letter and number,  B3 Passats are circa '90 to '93 (the ones without the front grille).  B4 Passats to '97, with the rounded B5 Passats introduced in '98 hard to distinguish from the Audi A4.  Also, the technical specs.. what year and model is that for?  --ChrisRuvolo 05:34, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: the answer is yes and no. quantum was us name for early(2nd gen) passat saloon. fox was the us name for an argentinian built vw similar to the jetta. see VW Santana, VW Fox.  Passat article needs stuff on this, if it still needs doing when i have time, i'll have a look. vw fox and gacel should be added to  akaDruid 13:33, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  also a quick google shows the tech data to have been lifted from Ralph Becker's page about his 2001 Volkswagen Passat GLS V6 Sedan akaDruid 13:36, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks the the reply and the information.  The tech data shouldn't be a copyvio (can't copyright facts), but his customizations and personal experience (tires, tire life, wheels) I don't think are ok to include.  Thanks for finding that.  I'll edit the specifications.  About the models.. which qualify as the B1 and B2 passats?  Thanks.  --ChrisRuvolo 14:00, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't be exactly sure but I imagine the B1 would be 78-87 model, and B2 the 87-93 model.  Since the 73-78 model was rebadged Audi 80, I doubt it would follow the same numbering scheme. 14:52, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The B naming is as written on the page you are discussing. Mark1(B1) 73-81, mark2(B2) 81-88. The rest am I a bit usertain about, it says mark'x' = B'x' in the main article but it has not always said so. I thaught 88-93 and 93-96 passat used the same platform, just with some exterior changes..?  85.166.149.32 14:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: This user just changed the entire article.  Doesn't look like a copyvio, but this text should be integrated, not overwritten!
Here it is:
VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT MK1 (1973-1981)
The first generation VW Passat was sold initially as a large three- and five-door hatchback (and later a five-door estate) which used the same 1.3 and 1.6 petrol engines as the Audi 80 saloon which had been introduced a year earlier. It was one of the most modern family cars in Europe, and was intended as a contemporary rival for the Ford Taunus (Cortina) and Opel Ascona (Vauxhall Cavalier). The Passat was also sold in the U.S.A as the Volkswagen Dasher.
VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT MK2 (1981-1988)
The second generation VW Passat was an all-new car but on its launch in 1981 it was instantly recognisable as a member of the Volkswagen family. The engine range was now more extensive, it included a 2.0 petrol and a 1.8 diesel. As well as the Passat hatchback and estate there was also a saloon, which until the beginning of 1985 was sold as the Santana. Although the Santana nameplate had been abandoned, it remains in use to this day on cars produced at Volkswagen's Shanghai factory in China.
The second generation Passat was a typical Volkswagen, hardly exciting but proving to be a quality alternative to its rivals.
VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT MK3 (1988-1996)
The third generation Passat was a completely new car and its curvy looks were a world away from the boxy appearance of its predecessor. Its fuel injected engines were all-new, and gave better performance and refinement than the carburettor units previously used. But the star of the range was the Passat VR6, which had a 2.8 V6 engine and a top speed of 140mph. This high performance power unit also found its way into the smaller Golf and under the bonnet of the Corrado coupe.
The Passat underwent a mild facelift in 1993 and was now available with improved safety equipment including airbags, but it remained the same basic design as before.
VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT MK4 (1996-present)
The fourth generation Passat was entirely new and aimed as a clearly upmarket rival for the Ford Mondeo and Opel Vectra. Power came from entirely new 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 and 2.8 petrol engines as well as 1.9 and 2.5 turbodiesels. All of the engines were smooth, refined and strong performing, and coupled to a good chassis which gave excellent ride comfort. The interior was also luxurious and well-equipped, with a long equipment list which included electric windows, air-conditioning, CD player, electric mirrors, electric sunroof and leather upholstery. The £16,000 starting price in the UK put it £1,000 above the equivlant Ford Mondeo, but the price difference showed when it came to luxury and upmarket feel.
A facelift at the end of 2000 saw the non-turbo 1.8 petrol engine dropped and the exterior styling tweaked, but the Passat was still very much the comfortable, well-built and luxurious large saloon and estate which had been launched four years earlier. Traditional Volkswagen trademarks of build quality and reliability continued to boost the Passat's reputation.
The Volkswagen Passat is now one of the oldest cars in its sector at eight years old, but it is still one of the best. A replacement is likely to appear in the not too distant future.
: I have integrated this into article text, keeping the Mark1, Mark2 nomenclature as well as the B1,B2 one. Spute 20:11, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: :these comments were added to the VW Passat redirect by .  Moved them to here and cleaned up redirect.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 18:55, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  b3 production years 

message: I can track down an engine repair manual for a B1/B2 Passat (Haynes); I am sure that it mentions that one of the peculiarities for which which Passats are renowned is that the whole engine can be removed on a dismountable dolly, which makes it easy for service. Rolinator 11:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mechanicals 

message: The Mk 5 section is split in two main headings, "PQ46 platform (2005-present") and "B6 platform (2006-present)". Are you sure the car was modified for that year? -- NaBUru38 15:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, that seems to have been entered erroneously when the subject headings got changed around yesterday. Analoguekid 16:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passat Mk 5 - Why is is split in two? 

message: I´ve removed the quite nonsensical Lamborghini Espada reference. Besides, the Espada (introduced in 1968, when Giugiaro was already involved with his own company ITALDESIGN) was designed by Gandini (as stated in the Espada article), not by Giugiaro. Also, the B1 Passat was NOT cheaper than the Audi 80, at least not on its home market; Werner Oswald, Deutsche Autos 1945-1975, lists the prices of base models as of March 1974: VW Passat, DM 9.070; Audi 80, DM 9.070, i.e. as identical. Plus, the hatchback variants were introduced as late as January 1975.
--328cia 12:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passat B1 

message: Because I can't find any evidence to support it, and recently saw both versions parked side by side and to me it just looks like a facelift on the front and rear.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Impulsion (talk • contribs) 00:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can hardly believe it myself, but Kittler, Deutsche Autos seit 1990, vol. 5, p. 323, says: "Nach Werksangabe waren so gut wie alle Blechteile neu - was man dem Auto aber nicht unbedingt ansieht.", which translates to: "According to the factory, virtually all body panels were new - even if, looking at the car, one won´t neccessarily realize it." --328cia (talk) 03:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we get any citations on the claim that every body panel on the Mark 4 (B4 platform) (1995–97) was new?

message: I see that there is a 1.8 TSI engine (Fuel Stratified Injection and turbocharger).
Also, theres a 2.0 TFSI engine (Fuel Stratified Injection and turbocharger). They are basically the same engine, except from the engine displacement. Why did Volkswagen call one of them TSI and the other TFSI? This creates a lot of confusion, as TSI usually refers to the Golf's 1.4 Twincharger. Why didn't they call both of them TFSI? Thanks for any help..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.115.135.58 (talk) 07:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: TSI and TFSI acronyms are interchangeable since they mean the same thing, like you said. The F stands for Fuel; TFSI is generally used by Audi, while TSI is used by VW, Seat and Skoda. Since there's a sharing policy in VW Group, the same engine (e.g. the 1.4 TSI Twincharger) can be found in different cars, of different manufacturers. They may have two different acronyms, but they are the same engine.--Roccometeora (talk) 13:14, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  TSI/TFSI 

message: The B5 section claims that the B5 received a four-point front suspension "to eliminate torque steering".  However, I would expect torque steering to be practically non-existent on a car with a longitudinal engine.  The primary cause of torque steering is the unequal length (and therefore weight) of the left and right drive shafts on cars with transverse engines, where the transmission and differential are off-center.  More likely, the B5, like every other VAG model at the time, received a multi-link suspension simply because it improves ride quality and handling.  DES (talk) 14:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torque steering 

message: I don't see the BHW engine listed under the 5.5 Passat.
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and also WHERE'S 2.0 tdi 110cv common rail? I've one! Last series it was made in 2009.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.31.208.117 (talk) 00:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engine not listed

message: This is a capable engine that supports modding well and is already faster than most cars on the road.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.79.66 (talk) 10:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: B5.5 1.8T performance

message: Please put pronunciation key for "Passat" in the beginning of section. I found out that in Brazil it may be "Passat" or "Passá", omiting the letter "t" at the end.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.198.217.194 (talk) 22:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't prescribe a pronunciation in the article unless you have supporting reliable sources. Letdorf (talk) 11:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Just wanted to say that I fully support Letdorf's removal of the unofficial and unclear "mark" designations.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most clear would be using generations, B markings are not familiar to those people who doesnt know Volkswagen -->Typ932 T·C 16:02, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally, I'd agree, but in this case, "generations" are ambiguous too, e.g. was the B4 the fourth generation or a facelifted third-generation Passat? Which generation was the B5.5? etc. Letdorf (talk) 11:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

text: The B4 is facelift of 3rd generation (B3) according to the article and 5.5 is facelift of 4th generation (b5) according to the text. -->Typ932 T·C 15:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what it says at the moment, yes, but there are no sources cited to verify this particular definition of Passat generations.  Letdorf (talk) 11:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Marks" 

message: This page is filled with technical jargon, mostly unsourced, and useless, and especially useless to North American readers... to the point of being incomprehensible to North American readers. It is mostly just a long euro-list written in prose. It needs a major overhaul!!!!--Tallard (talk) 02:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major cleanup needed 

message: I think that "Volkswagen Passat in the United Kingdom" should be removed because it is of no use to anyone, it's filled with unreferenced material and since the page is about VW Passat, which is present all over the world, this section seems too "anglocentric".--Roccometeora (talk) 13:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Passat selling figures in United Kingdom 

message: According to dealers and commercials, they want people to know that the Passat is a midsize (large family, D-segment "large") car, but when we compared the Passat with the Avalon and Impala, it is considered a full-size (executive, E-segment "executive") car. The Jetta is not a compact (small family, C-segment "compact") car, it is considered a midsize car. The Scirocco and Golf are the ones being compact cars, with the Beetle being a subcompact. The VW CC is a midsize premium car (which is also "executive" or E-segment). The Phaeton is a full-size luxury car like the A8 (luxury, F-segment "luxury"). --198.228.216.17 (talk) 05:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Volkswagen Passat is NOT MID-SIZED!!! 

message: I see that the information about the upcoming redesign for the North American market is sourced, but the external link doesn't seem to be working. Shouldn't the links be accessible to all readers? Not sure if it's a dead link, I don't see the maintenance tag, so I thought I'd consult the talk page before adding the "dead link" tag.--2601:153:900:43F0:3813:9EF8:FA5A:C703 (talk) 01:38, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future 2020 model for North America