Talk:Piano Sonata No. 23 (Beethoven)

message: The discussion of first movement proposes that "On the banks of Allan Water" inspired the rhythm of the opening and then shoots the idea down saying "there is no support in that fact for the claim that the rhythm is based on a folk song." The second theme is then, somewhat implausibly, proposed to be a quotation of the song. A quick listen to the folk song suggests that they have only a passing similarity. I think a citation showing that some music critic of note has proposed this connection is necessary to keep any of this discussion. Otherwise, I will remove it. Iellwood (talk) 20:02, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is utter tosh and I will remove it right now. Syek88 (talk) 22:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Folk song

message: This text is misleading:
"The main theme has an odd rhythm, somewhat like a dotted rhythm, except with a 5:6 ratio instead of 3:4, that is difficult to play"
There is a 5:1 ratio of note lengths, or 5/6 note length, and it is not difficult to play.
In the development, to make it even more misleading, there is a section involving pentuplet semiquavers set against the original 5:1 ratio theme, which a little difficult to play, but not very much so because there is only one semiquaver to set against the pentuplets.
I have no idea how to fix this problem without losing information.
:I removed it entirely, and I think we can live with losing the information. The rhythm is not really odd, and thus I see no reason to mention it at all. It's just a dotted rhythm, notated in 12/8, and it's not difficult to play. EldKatt (Talk) 07:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Judicious. :) Quendus 07:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  5:6 ratio 

message: The text says, While the early Sonata No. 8, Pathétique, was named by Beethoven himself, the Appassionata was so labeled by the publisher. Beethoven was outraged with the nickname, feeling that all his works were written to be played passionately and not just this one. but the linked BBC article says The subtitle for the Sonata was the publisher's addition, but Beethoven did not for once see cause to object. Can GregW, who inserted the comment, or anyone else, find a cite for the current text? - Gyan 03:19, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny, one source I just checked has informed me that no references to the title Appassionata have been found before 1838, long after Beethoven's death.... I wonder if anyone's actually researched this. 69.86.17.145 (talk) 20:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beethoven's reception to the title 

message: I wonder if it necessary to include in the article a verbatim excerpt from a separate text on the Web, in fact one of the references:
<http://www.all-about-beethoven.com/apasionata.html>  [sic].   The article's paragraph that begins "The third movement" is almost all taken verbatim from the text at this URL.  (Not that I disagree with its content.)  If no one can think of anything more appropriate to say, then at least the reference should be given credit for the verbatim excerpt.Daqu 00:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Verbatim unattributed excerpt

message: And, can someone please explain why my comments regarding the first and third movements of the Appassionata were removed?
If there is no response after a reasonable period, I will revert them, and replace the verbatim plagiarism with a link to the original.Daqu 20:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would someone kindly respond to my query above (Verbatim unattributed excerpt) ? 

message: I don't believe it is correct that the Appassionata was the sonata featured in the film "the lives of others." can someone verify this.
It isn't the Sonata for a good man, but it is referenced in the film; I have reworded the article to reflect this.  MarcelLionheart 02:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Concern: "Sonata for a good man?"

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replies: text: Note the date of the foregoing notice. The discussion, now long closed, concerned whether to move the sonata articles to new titles incorporating opus numbers. The conclusion was not to do so. Drhoehl (talk) 23:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Piano Sonata No. 8 (Beethoven) - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RM bot 20:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Note the date of the foregoing notice. The discussion, speedily closed long ago, concerned whether to move this article to a new title "Appassionata Sonata." Drhoehl (talk) 23:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

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