Talk:Serengeti

message: The correct spelling of the Oldupai Gorge might be a point for dispute. Most people know it as the Olduvai Gorge which is nothing but incorrect. Oldupai is the Massai name for the sisal plant which is found there and that is why it is called the Oldupai Gorge. Anybody who has been on a Safari in Serengeti would know this since the rangers there make sure to explain the correct name. --Durst 10:57, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: Since the main consencus above seemed to be not merging the two articles i have extensively updated the Serengeti National Park article which was suggested as being merged into here. I am also happy to update this article to refer to Serengeti District (which is where most links point) which is the only truly definable distinction between the 2 articles. I did this as the main interest is in the national park rather than the district.
Hopefully the edit is helpful and hasn't trodden on any toes.
Merurider 17:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Update of [[Serengeti National Park]] article

message: Hi. New to this, but I was looking at the Serengeti page and someone is taking the mick: Serengeti is an African word and has nothing to do with Wales as far as I am aware. Can anyone wwho knows what they are doing have a look at the entry and edit it appropriately? Oh and one of the references calls a pop-up.
User = Sean Waters Sean Waters 18:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: We need to see where the serengeti is, and what it look like.  Kevlar67 13:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Although most sources that I could find state merely that Disney artists went to "Africa", there is no doubt that they went to the Serengeti. Unfortunately, I didn't take any photographs of the rock outcroppings that are interspersed across the plains. The baboa trees seen in the "flim" are seen frequently on the main road into the Serengeti from Arusha. If anyone wants to look at the Lion King dvd, you may find a special feature where they talk about this in greater depth. I hope to have time to do more work on this article in the near future. Steve Pastor 21:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lion King

message: The Serengeti is a 60,000 square kilometer savanna which lies over Tanzania. The Serengeti straddles the Tanzanian Kenyan border. This means that this reference is incorrect. Perhaps the author of this article was writing about the Park only??? Also, there are a number of different habitats, which will be put into the article. Again, I believe a journal article from Africa may be more accurate than one from "The New Scientist". More to come. Steve Pastor (talk) 23:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it looks like the content was incorrectly changed in this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serengeti&diff=159211373&oldid=157250099. I think your edits are improvements. -SpuriousQ (talk) 09:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: copy of material recently replaced

message: A map of the area would greatly help in appreciating its geographical location relative to the continent of Africa.—Tetracube (talk) 00:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any maps? 

message: The coordinates need the following fixes:
* Actual Coordinates 2° 19′ 51″ S, 34° 50′ 0″ E 
Decimal -2.330833, 34.833333 
138.250.83.90 (talk) 12:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates 

message: I've just looked over both this and the Serengeti National Park articles. I made a few quick changes to this article, because some of the information was just plain wrong. There's a lot of uncited, or incorrectly cited material in here, some of which was jsut wrong - For example, I cut the bit that implied Ol Donyo Lengai is responsible for the hard pan beneath the plains, despite an apparent citation. I don't believe that citation makes this claim at all as the mountain is only 370000 years old, and, e.g., the Laitoli footprints (in the hard pan) are about 2.7MYA. It's well known this comes from the crater highlands instead.
I didn't waste much time working on this article, because I'm still not sure how this should be related to the National Park page. I agree it's different, but I'd feel much happier calling the region the Serengeti/Mara Ecosystem and having a page for that - the ecosystem defined by the movements of the wildebeest migration. It would be perfectly reasonable to have a dismbiguation page for those searching for Serengeti - one pointing to the District, one to the National Park and one pointing to the (wider) ecosystem, but I don't think it would be sensible to name the ecosystem page simply Serengeti - the Kenyan's might not like the implication, and there's already a perfectly good term for the ecosystem. Until I just put the links in now there was no obvius link between this page and the Serengeti National Park page, or vice versa.
If I were doing that, I think I'd just plogh in and instead of trying to tidy things up from where they are (it's too much of a mess for me), I'd plunge throguh and take the information and links from The Serengeti Story History and The Serengeti Story Great Migration. I wrote those posts and am perfectly happy with the work being written suitably for Wikipedia too. But before I do such a radical job I wanted to sound people out over here. I'd also suggest adding a section on ecology to the national park page which essentially points to the serengeti/mara ecosystem page for more details.
Thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmbird1 (talk • contribs) 07:34, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  In need of renovation... 

message: Is it ˌsɛrənˈɡɛti or ˌsɛrəŋˈɡɛti?71.213.20.90 (talk) 19:27, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

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message: Our claim is that it's from the Maasai serengit 'endless plains'. But Payne & Ole-Kotikash's dictionary used as a ref (before I removed it) does not support the claim -- indeed, the only hit is for "Serengeti" as a proper noun, presumably a loan word. The other ref is a travel guide, which is not a RS for such things (if it's a RS for anything at all). We need a ref that actually shows the etymology, if one exists. — kwami (talk) 20:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the sourcing for this claim is questionable, though there is plenty of sourcing to support that fact that people say this is the etymology. The dictionary does provide "áŋátá" for "plain" which has the right consonants to sort of a little sound like "ngeti" if preceded by some kind of adjective meaning "endless". So the etymology doesn't seem completely implausible to me. But it also doesn't seem well-supported, especially since I can't find any kind of plausible adjective to go before "áŋátá" (and even if I could that would definitely be original research). I'll make a bold change for now but it would be great to find a source that directly addresses the etymology. ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 20:42, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Richmond dictionary also gives "o-ngota" and "i-ngot" for plain, so it's hard to dispute that as the second root.  Plausible sources for "sere-" from the Payne-Kotikash dictionary may include "sɛ́rɛ́" (North), "sérè" (goodbye), "sérò" (dry gray / unreliable), "o-sérò" (bush / scrub / forest), and "sʉ́ráí/sʉra" (wood; "o-sero/i-seroi" in the Richmond dictionary).  In the absence of other sources, it may be valid to question the popular etymology, but to say it "does not appear in" those dictionaries seems too strong, discounting even the unambiguous "plain" element. Agkcrbs (talk) 20:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if anyone else has looked at this, but in Myles Turner's "My Serengeti Years", on page 24, he writes "Visitors to the park would often ask about the origin of the beautiful word 'Serengeti'. It is definitely a Maasai name, but it has been changed by both Swahili and English. Originally it was Siringet, but the English rendered it Serenget and the Kiswahili language added the final 'i'. The word itself appears to be taken from Siringitu Meaning 'tending to extend', and is closely related another Maasai word 'siriri' Meaning straight or elongated. Either way, the sense of space is clear: the place where the land runs on for ever." Wernid (talk) 10:55, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  etymology 

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message: This section reads: "Serengeti is mentioned in a 1982 single "Africa" by Toto. The lyrics erroneously describe Kilimanjaro as being located near the Serengeti."
It seems though that whether or not this is actually "erroneous" is somewhat subjective...
"Near" is relative, and Kilimanjaro is about 200km from the closest part of the Serengeti region.  Of course this would be a very long walk, and a few hours drive, but relative to Tanzania as a whole, it's not particularly far away either.  And relative to Africa as a whole, it's quite close.  If one looks on Google Maps and zooms out to where all of Africa becomes visible, then it's almost the same point on the map.
So perhaps it should be edited to note that they are actually relatively close in the greater scheme of Africa, or even Tanzania? -2003:CA:8710:200:1CFC:7D3C:EE8F:458B (talk) 21:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And I've removed it as unsourced trivia. Vsmith (talk) 00:49, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture section... 

message: It seems difficult to find sources that are about the ecosystem, rather than the park or the district, but these might be useful for others looking to improve the article:
* Live Science article (has info on 19thC and 20thC history of the region)
* WWF listing (has a long bibliography)
* "The Serengeti-Mara squeeze—One of the world's most iconic ecosystems under pressure" (summarizes a recent article in Science)
It looks like researching the Maasai relocation would also improve the article, as this seems to have been a controversial point in the Serengeti's history, possibly worth its own sub-section. ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 08:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some sources to continue expanding the article 

message: I think that there should be a separate for the Great Migration. I created a draft of it. What does everyone think? TigerScientist Chat 04:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split