Talk:Phil Keaggy

message: This is not a place to add commentary. The first, longstanding, paragraph is encyclopedic in tone and content. The second, new, paragraph is not encyclopedic in tone and content. It is POV commentary, with some content not even germaine to the article itself (e.g., "Musical styles as well as individual playing styles vary greatly. Then there are the electric guitar players as well as the acoustic guitar players.") Some of the "facts" are undocumented (e.g., "Three of the primary reasons this rumor has persisted is due...") and the grammar is shocking (e.g., again, "Three of the primary reasons this rumor has persisted is due...").  The point of the section is not to answer the question. It is to explain the phenomenon of the question itself.
However, to avoid reversion wars, I have put this in the talk page to be resolved quickly. While I do not wish to be uncharitable, I think this addition has seriously downgraded the quality of the article, when we have a hard enough time getting quality NPOV articles on CCM artists and music that meet Wikipedia standards. --Holford 01:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's a prominent urban legend and that in itself is encyclopedic. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Question: "Who is the best guitarist in the world?" 

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message: The whole page reads like a long advertisement for the subject as a whole, and Christianity in part. This is why I added the NPOV tag. WhyDoIKeepForgetting (talk) 01:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please give an example paragraph. I don't really see the POV issue. All of the material is factual and not particularly ad-like. I may have to re-read the article though as it's changed a lot in the last year. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I find them, I am eliminating them. See any of my recent edits with "npov" in the edit comment. WhyDoIKeepForgetting (talk) 03:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've noticed. Thanks for doing that and making this a better article. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:22, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, a lot of the article looks like liner notes. WhyDoIKeepForgetting (talk) 03:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I haven't read them all so I can't pick out which parts are and which aren't. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:22, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't mean to suggest that they are liner notes, simply that they look like (maybe I should have said "read like") liner notes. WhyDoIKeepForgetting (talk) 04:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Understood. Thinking of the editors who are writing here, I can imagine why they read like that. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I looked further and noticed a few things here and there. Those do need to be taken care of first. Parableman (talk) 01:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

text: No objections. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:01, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A long ad for Keaggy 

message: Should there be any mention that his son, Ian, who has already been established as a musician in other sections of this article, is the bassist for the band Hot Chella Rae? Their song "Tonight Tonight" peaked at #7 on the Billboard Hot 100. There are plenty of other musicians, actors, and athletes who have successful children mentioned in "personal life" sections.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpjoyce10 (talk • contribs) 05:51, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: He should be mentioned, but it should be brief. WP:BLP used to indicate that spouses, children, etc., should only be mentioned if they are themselves notable. That policy seems to have been removed, or more the point, I can't find it any longer. The important thing to remember is that this is an article about Phil not Ian Keaggy. Oh, and per WP:NUMERO, it peaked at No. 7, not #7. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:33, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm talking about literally one sentence: "His son Ian Keaggy is the bassist and a backing vocalist for the pop rock band Hot Chella Rae." If no one objects in a week or so, I'll add it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpjoyce10 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Life

message: :WP:MOSLQ indicates that "On Wikipedia, place all punctuation marks inside the quotation marks if they are part of the quoted material and outside if they are not. This practice is sometimes referred to as logical quotation. It is used here because it is deemed by Wikipedia consensus to be more in keeping with the principle of minimal change. This punctuation system does not require placing final periods and commas outside the quotation marks all the time, but rather maintaining their original positions in (or absence from) the quoted material." So albums and songs that don't have punctuation as part of their names need to have the punctuation moved outside of the quotes and formatting. I made a few changes but don't have time to check the whole article. Could someone spend some time to improve? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:41, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting 

message: I read the part of the article about the "brief hiatus" in Keaggy's recording career and the Ted Nugent quote about "Whatever happened to that Phil Keaggy guy...." and I took quick notice that a painful and difficult time in Keaggy's life had been clipped out of the story. Keaggy had become a member of the Bob Mumford "Shepherding" cult, a.k.a. "The Ft. Lauderdale Movement," via the Love Inn community in Freeville, NY, where he and his wife resided. He was not exactly being held prisoner, but as is most often the case with cults, he was probably under some form of heavy psychological pressures and inducements to be highly conforming and obedient to the leadership's directives and plans for his life. (I was in the same cult, but in Massachusetts, and I got out of it earlier than he did.) It was my understanding that during this time, he was mostly assigned to make dupe tapes for distribution of the syndicated Scott Ross Show. (We can probably tell Ted Nugent that that is what happened to that Phil Keaggy guy--he went from being a genius to being a Borg drone.) I was also told by a Christian concert producer that Phil Keaggy was never seen on the road except in the presence of other Love Inn people traveling with him, most notably Teddy Sandquist who was allegedly his shepherd. They appeared to have Keaggy on a somewhat short leash.
The item that makes it seem like the '73-'76 episode is severely edited is that the article doesn't even mention where he lived during this time period. The fact that he picked up everything and moved into a Christian community in rural New York is a fairly significant life event. It should at least be mentioned.
It might be that he has never spoken of these things and there is nothing in print that could be used as documentation. In this case, it can't go in a wiki article. But, he did go through a strange and difficult time that lasted several years, and he came out on top. It seems this part of his life should be documented. It was definitely more than a brief hiatus.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkshrews (talk • contribs) 21:11, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Without references, there's nothing we can say about this in the article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  73-76: Painful Times 

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message: Is there any ref or documentation for the claim: "The effect requires picking the string, raising and then lowering the guitar volume knob for each note in a melody"? I have always assumed Keaggy was just switching in a gating effect. I've seen him play live, and have never seen anything like this, nor have I seen any concert footage of him manipulating the volume knob "for each note in a melody". I think someone just put this sentence in here without knowing how he really got the effect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.27.168.23 (talk) 19:27, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen him do it multiple times. He doesn't play electric much any longer, but this is some old footage of him doing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kUrT6fdYqY an this is an instruction video of how it's actually done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzYMtXX9jSU Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:18, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
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