Talk:El Paso County Coliseum

message: This page is currently protected due to a spike in vandalism beginning on February 12th, which coincided with President Trump's visit to the venue. Owing to the frequency of vandalism from a number of anonymous commentators, I requested page protection. Among those edits, considerable attention has been paid to the question of the venue's capacity. 
Prior to the most recent flurry of edits, the page stated that the venue had a seating capacity of 6,500 (see December 28th version here), which seems to be reflected in current reporting in regards to the maximum building capacity the fire department has set for the venue. 
In one of the edits from February 12th, an anonymous user provided a link to a US Department of Transportation Federal Highway Administration "El Paso Case Study" from 2008, which lists "specially designed facilities with event days generating crowds of more than 10,000 people." This document states that "El Paso County Coliseum is a 5,250-seat multi-purpose arena in El Paso. The Coliseum opened in 1942 and can be adapted to seat up to 11,000 for concerts." Note that this user did not actually add this reference to the document, instead including it in their change notes. 
Given that the interior of the Coliseum has a large floor space for rodeos and the like, it is likely that the number of seats in the venue can change based on how the floor space is utilized. This information may be worth mentioning in the article. 
Note that the info box field specifically states seating capacity, not standing capacity; if individuals were allowed to stand, and there was no enforcement of fire code, the venue could likely hold even more people. This stated, given that the fire code seems to be the current dictator of the number of seats allowed in the venue, and given that the more recent stated fire department limit seems to be 6,500, which also happens to be the limit that this page listed before that information suddenly became politicized, I propose to keep the seating capacity at 6,500, as it currently stands. AlexDitto 01:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question of Capacity 

message: This page was altered last night ( Feb 13th ) and changed the capacity of 11,000 when set up for a concert event which is similar to how it was set up for Trump rally.  It also had the capacity changed on the box on right from 11,000 to 6,500. This is not right and needs to be returned to ints original totals! 2601:704:280:7530:A8EB:9D84:F68C:B9F7 (talk) 18:29, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 20:41, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2019 

message: I have update the information from authoratiative sources. Unforunately, they are in dispute. I have spoken with the Administrative Officer. I will be posting those numbers later tonight. The attendance for Trump rally will be about 6500.
Contact me, if you have any questions. meatclerk (talk) 00:30, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the edits; it looks good, save for one small note: the Federal Highway Administration "EL PASO CASE STUDY" was done in August of 2008, not 2017 (see the table of contents linked to at the top of that page) though the page was "last updated" on February 1st, 2017, I believe we should correct the text to note that or remove the date reference and include it in the citation itself.AlexDitto 21:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have updated the date of the report and added a complete report citation. A "paper" (pdf) copy of the report is also available on the same website (see here.) On more careful review, I noticed several of the items in quotation marks did not actually appear exactly stated in the document; in lieu of removing the quotation marks and paraphrasing, I have added the exact quote from the report (suitable, I believe, as the quote is short and cited). If others believe paraphrasing is more appropriate, feel free to modify, but drop the quotes. AlexDitto 00:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed Capacity