Talk:Infante Juan, Count of Barcelona

message: Juan Carlos. Wow. What a guy. I love Juan Carlos. By the way, I have no idea what I am talking about.  I'm just a bored student waiting for my classes to start and trying to find out the full name of King Juan Carlos of Spain for my Spanish III Honors class.  Hmm...I can't seem to find the information.  Will somebody please tell me?  Because I would be greatly indebted to you.  Thank you very much.
Love, Amanda
   who is bored
 and wants school
      to end
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Dear Amanda,
It's  "Juan Carlos de Borbon y Borbon", or possibly "Juan Carlos Alfonso Victor Maria de Borbon y Borbon". We are not a homework service.
Your mission, should you accept it, is to write a proper article here on Juan de Borbon.
Sincerely,
The Wikipedia
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Jeez. We had a mediocre stub here half an hour ago. Now look at it! :-) FearÉIREANN 04:29 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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Is this the proper title for this article?  That is, should the surname be used.  Should it just be "Juan, Count of Barcelona"? john k 16:28, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There should be some explanation of how the fourth son became heir apparent.
Mention the Carlists that recognized Juan, too.
:There also needs to be more detail -- when was Juan in the Royal Navy? Where was he born? Educated? Died? And a full article is needed on his wife, the present king's mother. (I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable in recent Spanish history to want to take this on.) --Michael K. Smith 21:02, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explain the heir line 

message: Cosmos666 has added a box which shows Juan's four grandparents and eight great-grandparents.  This is certainly not usual for an encylopedia article (indeed, often not for a full-length book about the subject).  I suggest removal.  If not, what are the limits to this? Noel S McFerran 04:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancestor infobox

message: "Count of Barcelona" is not a noble title for a junior  member of a royal family,  like, say,  "Prince of Asturias," or "Duke of Cadiz."   It is one of the titles of the King of Spain, and by  using it, Juan was claiming that he was de jure King of Spain.  It  seems inappropriate to combine this title with "Infante," which implies a junior status. john k 04:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would just let it be. It is a special situation (the Count was buried as John III of Spain, apparently) but the King of Spain was the Count's son. The Count renounced his claim to the throne, thereby affirming his status as "just" an Infante. The comital title was later granted to him in an official capacity. Juan Carlos was not giving his father his crown, just confirming a title for him. Charles 04:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, I hadn't thought about the post-1978 situation.  Probably best just to let it be. john k 22:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  title seems wrong 

message: He renounced his rights on 14 May 1977. So, he was de jure King of Spain until 14 May 1977, even if his son proclaimed himself King of Spain on 22 November 1975. The date of succession box "1975" should be changed to "1977", I think. Motsu 14:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession Box 

message: I saw at this source that the private coat of arms of don Juan Count of Barcelona was a composition donated by the Maestranza de Zaragoza (the cross at the original composition of the Count's Tapestry was this Order Cross, see the link). The Count of Barcelona never used this arms as Royal Pretender emblem except the tapestry. This is the source is a blog blog de heraldica 11/02/02) so it is unreliable but, in this case, the information author is Sanpedro Escolar a well known Spanish heraldist. I couldn't get information from a reliable source but to show the lesser arms of the Alfonso XIII (used by don Juan is the most correct solution). I'm going to put these new dates at the image information box.
--Heralder (talk) 13:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And why the Kingdom of Jerusalem's arms? It's a hollow title. Alfonso XIII was nuts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.148.202 (talk) 10:48, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Private Coat of Arms used in the Exile