Talk:List of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters

message: With several different versions of the MOTU story we need to separate out distinct features - e.g. Teela doesn't become Man-at-Arms' (adopted) daughter until the animated series and has a somewhat different relationship with the Sorceress in the earliest mini comics. Can anyone suggest a good format that allows distinctions to be noted without generating five entries that say the same thing for some characters? Timrollpickering 00:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Need to distinguish different stories

message: FYI, The link to the "Panthor" page now redirects to armour for some reason.  I dont know if there is a panthor page out there. I haven't been able to find it.Caval valor 15:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panthor 

message: There are too many Masters of the Universe articles with little or no third person sources and lack of notability as per the wikipedia criteria. WP:NOTEDwanyewest (talk) 01:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much dead wood and no sourced material 

message: I propose that the characters nominated should be merged because they is insufficient third person sources to demostrate individual characters notability so it better to merge than delete them. Dwanyewest (talk) 18:46, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: The reason I ask this is because this article I believe needs reorganising because the characters are arranged according to year the toy was released without verification. Dwanyewest (talk) 06:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The best way to organize lists of characters is probably to format them like featured character lists like List of Naruto characters and List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters. Do these examples help? Neelix (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the best way to organise lists of characters? 

message: *Oppose mergeMekaneck, Evilseed, Two-Bad, Man-E-Faces, Mer-Man, and  have been nominated for merger, with others sure to follow.  These are all major characters, who had toys, comic book appearances, and were in multiple cartoon series.  There is nothing gained by destroying that information, just to have a pointless token mention of them on this page.  Fictional characters may not get the coverage that celebrities do, but that doesn't make them less notable.
*Crita has nothing in it, just a redirect already, it apparently not an action figure.  Screeech was just Skeletors falcon, not much to write about it.  No objection towards merging these two, but all major characters should be left alone.  Dream Focus 05:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are suppose to use common sense and form a consensus, not mindlessly follow the suggestions put on the guideline pages.  Policies must be followed, not guidelines.  The guidelines are just there to help people make a decision when forming consensus.  Are these notable enough to have their own pages?  They are main characters of a notable show, found in various media, as I have stated.  You don't need a reporter somewhere telling you how to think, especially since this is one of the many things you aren't likely to have anyone in the media talk about.  Dream Focus 06:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

text: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true.
All material in Wikipedia articles must be attributable to a reliable published source to show that it is not original research, but in practice not everything need actually be attributed. This policy requires that anything challenged or likely to be challenged, including all quotations, be attributed to a reliable source in the form of an inline citation, and that the source directly support the material in question.
The primary source is a reliable source.  Not everything need actually be attributed, if no one sincerely doubts the information is valid.  Dream Focus 23:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

text: The word "source", as used in Wikipedia, has three meanings: the piece of work itself (a document, article, paper, or book), the creator of the work (for example, the writer), and the publisher of the work (for example, The New York Times). All three can affect reliability.
The original source is reliable.  That's why we have summaries of books and television episodes for articles.  Its not original research to summarize what you saw or read in the original source.  Dream Focus 21:20, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main characters now nominated for merger 

message: I suppose I can understand some of the lesser characters being merged into this article, but it has resulted in such a loss of useful information. Also, as seems to have been the case for many years, some user seems to give preference to the 1983 cartoon series, giving sometimes quite trivial notes to the animated versions of characters, yet completely wiping information on various versions of the original figure (which came before the cartoon). A real shame. 
Jay Firestorm (talk) 18:01, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, mindless destruction of information is common these days.  I just checked and there is a wiki for this series at http://he-man.wikia.com/wiki/He-Man_Wiki Its active, and has hundreds of articles there already.  Dream Focus 01:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good wiki, but only one that fans "in the know" are likely to visit. Some of the original Wikipedia character pages for "bigger" characters in the line were terrific, giving rundowns on different figure versions and suchlike (to which I myself contributed), but all we have now is some pretty bog-standard and rather "scatter gun" information. As mentioned above, I'm pretty peeved that a lot of original figure information and pre-Filmation character origins have been totally wiped, yet truly trivial cartoon notes such as colour variations in different episodes (!) bares mention. I feel this was someone's own POV ideas on a character profile, and surprised it wasn't undone long ago. Sulk over. Jay Firestorm (talk) 23:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: So much loss of information

message: I honestly don't think diluting this article down into pages such as Heroic Warriors (Masters of The Universe) is a good idea - the information here was good enough --  samtar talk or stalk 15:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: this user refers to WP:SIZE and WP:SPLIT. any article hitting 40 KiB is hitting the risk limit. the character page prior to split was 112 KiB, a murder for uncapped dialup users and capped users of all speed tier.FAMASFREENODE (talk) 15:18, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very true, apologies - spot on --  samtar talk or stalk 15:25, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article splitting by {{u|FAMASFREENODE}} 

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message: There's no getting around it: a lot of MOTU characters who have articles have some questionable notability. Someone should take a look at them. 38.75.235.237 (talk) 00:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of characters 

message: As I mentioned above, many characters don't seem to be notable. To start, I propose merging King Randor into List of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters. All the article's sources are trivial mentions. 2605:B40:1303:900:E4A6:330D:3E2E:CA88 (talk) 18:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: While we're here, here are the other articles I feel have unclear notability: Battle Cat, King Grayskull, Man-E-Faces, Moss Man, Orko (character), Ram-Man, Roboto (character), Snout Spout, Sorceress of Castle Grayskull, Teela, Hordak, Beast Man, Clawful, Evil-Lyn, King Hiss, Kobra Khan, Stinkor, and Power Sword. Most of these sources are about the franchise in general, and some are from listicle farms. 2605:B40:1303:900:C155:37D0:779C:35D1 (talk) 22:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Of course, I am not opposed to improving them if better sources can be found. 2605:B40:1303:900:C155:37D0:779C:35D1 (talk) 22:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

text: @Randy Kryn Well, this has been dormant for a bit, but I think my argument still stands, with the exception of the Power Sword (though that still need work). 2605:B40:13E7:F600:40FE:7B6D:17E8:D289 (talk) 02:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: King Randor is a major character, I don't think a talk page "merge" discussion would be enough to delete this page (a merge is a deletion by another name), and now there is talk below of deleting all of the pages that you've listed, which can't be done here. Even a large merge attempt like this is, at least to me, questionable. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

text: *So you're saying that instead of redirecting these character names, which apparently make up a bulk of the notable topic, you'd delete the lot and forget about them (so when a fan searches for the noble King Randor, they find nothing?). That seems to be putting too much into, and going too far within and beyond the memory-hole. 01:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal