Talk:The Ruin

message: I've reverted the addition made by anon user as copyvio. Although I am unable to find the source directly, the indirect evidence is:
#The prose is professional and polished, written by an experienced expert scholar.
#The entry is full of typo's and spelling errors. Someone obviously manually typed this in from another source. One doesn't write high-quality material full of hasty typos.
#There is missing text, for example this line:
::Again we can identify the ubi sunt motif
:Again? This is the first time it is mentioned. Obviously there is additional material where the ubi sunt motif was mentioned that was not copied in.
If the anon user could please log in with a userID and identify themselves and where this material came from it can be restored. 
--Stbalbach 18:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: revert

message: The link to the Anglo-Saxon poetry project no longer works. The domain name seems to have been taken over by a dating service site!
If anyone knows what's happened to Jack Watson's site, has new links or other info, please update the reference link accordingly.
/Wilma
--Wilma Sweden (talk) 14:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect link 

message: I have rearranged the article and added subject headings, also a reflist in approved form, and a few minor edits for clarity and style. I hope everyone approves. I've no idea what happened to aspp.ca, but I've left the link for the time being. Richard Keatinge (talk) 11:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-ordering with headings

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message: I just made an edit to line 4 of the poem as it exists on this page, changing "hrungeat" to "hrim geat torras." This is the line as it exists in the Exeter Book (see page 124r), although it is commonly considered to be a mistake: "torras" is repeated from the previous line, and the removal of "torras" makes it metrically complete, and "hrim" is often considered to be incorrect here as it is repeated later in the line. It's often corrected to "hrungeat" but there are other options (see Rubin, G. MS. integrity: Lines 3a-4b of The Ruin. Neophilologus 63, 297–299 (1979). https://doi.org/10.1007/BF01513999)
The current translation on the page, from the Anglo-Saxon Poetry Project, translates this as "the frosty gate with frost on cement is ravaged," which would be an accurate translation of "hrimgeat berofen, hrim on lime" ("hrim" means "frost.") So, there are a couple of options here, but the current state of affairs seems unsatisfactory:
* The Old English version of the poem listed here could read "hrimgeat berofen."
* The English translation could be replaced with one based on "hrungeat," which most translations use. Even this is a bit unclear in meaning: "hrung" is something like the rung of a ladder, so this could mean a barred gate, or some other specific kind of gate. (I've also seen suggested "hringeat," a ring-gate, or even "hrumgeata," a soot-gate or smokestack.)
* There could be a detailed note writing up the translation issue. I could write this up given time, but I'm not sure the best place to put it or to format it.
Bbctol (talk) 00:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes on translation, specifically "hrungeat" vs. "hrim geat torras"