Talk:Mr Cruel

message: he is a sicko —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryan762 (talk • contribs) .
Wow what's the chance? I checked this out no less than 6 hours ago and it was only the first 2 paragraphs, then I check in the morning and it's got a whole page added onto it. 
Must've been my subconcious when I was sleeping, :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.7.176.131 (talk) 22:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier conversations

message: I removed the "More Info" section, as it was a direct copy of material from Australian News.  The copyright statement says "Copyright © MAKO 2005. All Rights Reserved.  You may not republish, distribute, prepare derivative works, or otherwise use the content other than as explicitly permitted herein." — Johan the Ghost seance 20:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation 

message: Hi,
I added more info today and added the source from which I got it. I changed the formatting to be more in line with my other paedophile additions. Feel free to update - we don't have all his attacks here. This guy is sick, but he's highly intelligent and organized.
I propose that the page be moved to 'Mr Cruel', without the period. I'd prefer 'Mister Cruel' to 'Mr.' - Richardcavell 14:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added more info 

message: The article says he killed 1 person, yet he's listed in the serial killer category. Why?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.244.191 (talk) 00:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the category. -- Longhair\talk 08:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Serial Killer

message: Does anyone know why Mr Cruel was originally known as the Hampton Rapist? None of the attacks mentioned in this article took place in Hampton?
Barneywhiz (talk) 08:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your comments. I have added the "Citation needed" tag to the dubious facts you mentioned. Wikipedia is open to anyone to edit. If you can improve the existing article, please do so, bearing in mind that all facts should be verifyable as per Wikipedia guidelines. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 03:19, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I request this tag be removed, as the Herald Sun(and it's two predecessors), which likely gave him that nickname and is Melbourne's current widest read newspaper, has continually stated since the early days of this investigation that they believed the first rape actually occurred in Hampton in 1985. Today, 9/4/2016, they printed an article that stated the police's current Prime Suspect(who had previously committed crimes against children) actually resided in that suburb at the time(the article I have referenced). A young girl was raped in Hampton in 1985, and later released by her rapist near the Moorabbin Town hall and AMF bowling centre on Nepean Highway in circumstances that mirrored some aspects of Mr Cruel's modus operandi. They have repeated this belief as recently as in their article of today(9 April 2016) showing that they still believe that the Hampton rape was actually the first. This is the reputable source of that nickname. Colliric (talk) 07:11, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This tag is to remain. "Hampton Rapist" to be removed. Firstly, police have "confirmed" that the 1987, 1988 and 1990 attacks are the same offender. Police "believe" that the 1991 abduction and murder is the offender. Police "speculate" that the February 1985 attack in Hampton may be the offender. Secondly, the Herald Sun article in April 2016 nominated a prime suspect. This was controversial in August 2003 when the Herald Sun made this same claim, based on 1 detective's view, which resulted in another detective contacting the media to dispute there was a prime suspect. According to the April 2016 article this suspect, one of seven, did reside in the suburb of Hampton in the early 1970s and committed attacks between 1972 and 1974 and was released after serving 10 years imprisonment. Thirdly, most importantly you have not provided any evidence of the use of "Hampton Rapist" by either the media or police for these 1987-1991 offences. The predecessor of the Herald Sun, the Sun, came up with the moniker of "Mr Cruel" in 1987 with police believing that various similar attacks were the same offender. 1 of these attacks was the Lower Plenty attack in 1987. The media went on using this moniker and at times using "Mr Cool" which goes back to the police statement to the media in 1987 of "super cool and super cruel". The Age newspaper in April 2001 reported that the police themselves used the moniker "Hampton Rapist" for the February 1985 14 year old girl attack in Hampton and for attacks in "Caulfield, Hawthorn, Brighton, Dingley and Donvale" with no other details such as dates, ages or gender. No media reports have ever contained specific details on all the offences police "speculate" prior to 1987.  Melbguy05 (talk) 20:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hampton? 

message: If you searched 10 houses a day, every day, for 8 years it would still not reach 30,000. Exaggeration? --218.215.50.85 (talk) 10:37, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If 20 detectives each searched 10 houses per day it would take 6 months. Exaggeration is not required. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 02:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 30,000 homes?

message: It is not confirmed that Karmein Chain was a victim of Mr. Cruel. He is the prime suspect. Detectives were already investigating the abductions in 1988 and 1990 together with the home invasion in 1987. It was assumed it was the same offender when the abduction occurred in April 1991.Melbguy05 (talk) 23:24, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karmein Chan 

message: As per the closed discussion regarding this article's page name, I've changed all mentions of "Mr." to "Mr" in the interest of consistency. Matuko (talk) 08:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mr." vs "Mr" 

message: Hello again. Before I can respond to the assertions above, I have deeper concerns that you are actually an experienced Wikipedia user shadow-editing via an IP address. In my experience, IP address editors I meet are normally linked to vandalism or short factual edits. However, the 16 edits so far linked to your IP address include multiple edits to extensively overhaul this article, and multiple reversions to edits (and multiple suggestions of reversions to my edits). Further, given the extent of your IP's sudden focus to this article, your IP's focus on Melbourne-themed articles, an examination of the history of this article, and the geo-location of your IP address (Greensborough, Melbourne), all lead me to suspect that you are also User:Melbguy05. As an experienced user, I am sure you are also familiar with Wikipedia:Sock puppetry and how it is regarded as a violation of community standards and policies (i.e. 1 user, 1 account). To that end, I intend to take this matter further. In the meantime, I would invite you to login and identify yourself by your regular account. Thank you. JabberJaw (talk)  00:20, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia policy

message: The fourth paragraph of the section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Cruel#Investigation says there is a $300,000 reward for helping catch Cruel. But the article lead says the rewards now total $1,200,000. So is the $300,000 inaccurate? Greg Dahlen (talk) 10:30, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and changed and believe other editor(s) worked on as well. Greg Dahlen (talk) 10:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

text: It’s odd like which one 😭😭 49.183.1.76 (talk) 04:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why $300,000? 

message: I am a little hesitant to have the names of several victims in this article. As these events occurred in the early 1990s, the names of the young girls were released by the Australian media including several national newspapers. However, because the victims themselves were not just sexually assaulted and kidnapped, they were also all underaged. I really wonder if it's appropriate to keep the victims’ names especially as they do not give public interviews (that I could find and I searched a while). Does anyone else agree or disagree? Miss E Kelly 04:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of victims 

message: Is the name Cathal supposed to be there in the 2nd paragraph?  I can't see any other references to the name online when searching for Mr cruel.  
Was this autocorrected from something else,.or vandalised? 92.236.255.175 (talk) 02:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Identified as Cathal"? 

message: The page is currently vandalised, see the start of the 2nd paragraph "Mr. Cruel has been identified as Cathal". I believe in earlier versions of the article this said he was unidentified. Stuartp1213 (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Cannolis (talk) 03:36, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2022 

message: Incorrect photo of Mr Cruel, photo is of the Golden State Killer 122.62.139.18 (talk) 17:08, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golden State Killer 

message: Why did you restore in this edit content I removed that user  added on the 10 March 2023. In the edit comment when I removed it I said the new content was "unsourced content WP:CITE, WP:OR, and content not related to Mr Cruel WP:DISRUPT".--Melbguy05 (talk) 13:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I only restored the suspected cases excluding the murder cases which are only conjecture. I did not intend to vandalise the page if that is was it looked like. SENSEISEAGULL (talk) 13:43, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mr Cruel is not a suspect in "murder cases" as the intro now says, there are only three confirmed cases not what the infobox or "confirmed crimes" now says four. He is a suspect for the Karmein Chan crime it's not a confirmed crime. The sentence starting "However, authorities generally" is not cited and is WP:OR.  He is only possibly involved in earlier crimes. 2A00:23C7:9B14:4C01:5F:AE9D:8C1E:AF6B misrepresented the sources WP:DISRUPTIVE editing - the 1985 Donvale is not in the citations, the 1985 Warrandyte is not in the citations and the 12 year old girl after Chan is not in the citations. The 14-year-old girl is mentioned in a citation but not all the information again misrepresenting a source. The 14-year-old boy is barely mentioned in the citation. Also, the names of the three confirmed victims were removed in October 2021 see the above talk page post.--Melbguy05 (talk) 15:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, okay! Glad you sorted that out then. :) SENSEISEAGULL (talk) 15:08, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restored removed content 

message: A theory is that Ashley Mervyn Coulston AKA "The Balaclava Killler" is Mr Cruel As the Mr Cruel attacks stopped in the same time he was arrested. Itisi5 (talk) 14:19, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there any reliable sources that make that suggestion? HiLo48 (talk) 23:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashley Mervyn Coulston 

message: Idk if he still hasn’t been caught till this day I think there should be a higher price you know? 49.183.1.76 (talk) 04:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  $300,000?