Talk:600-ship Navy

message: In Lehman's book, Command of the Seas, he stated that the 600-ship Navy was mainly his idea. This article states otherwise. Does anyone have any source for where the idea originated other than Lehman's (admittedly biased) book? -Joseph (Talk) 17:36, 2004 Nov 30 (UTC)
Ronnie was not exactly a naval expert in his own right, he would have gotten it from somebody else. I think it's reasonable to take Lehman at his word, at least until we get the name of the staff flunky who really came up with the number. :-) Stan 02:25, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lehman's book 

message: What was the purpose of this plan? Gdr 00:08, 2005 Jan 4 (UTC)
:Keeping up with the JonesesSoviets - Googling '"600-ship navy" purpose' turns up , a 26-page PDF with CBO's understanding of the official rationale. Somebody interested in Reagan-era politicking (not me) could make an extensive article out of this; it was a source of contention between Prez and Congress at the time. Stan 02:10, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The additions by TomStar81 are good (module mispelings :-) ), but I would suggest pruning by about half; we have plenty of Vietnam material elsewhere, so can xref rather than repeat it. Similarly for overall Reagan military buildup, although I'm not sure where it's best documented (each administration should have an article focusing specifically on their policies). Also, while it's tempting to say "everybody knows" that post-Vietnam malaise was a factor in the proposal, it would be good to get a reference that says that in so many words, for the benefit of our grandchildren who will lack context. Stan 06:49, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose? 

message: Just an idle thought - does anyone know a rough breakdown of what these 600 ships were? I mean, is it about 600 including support vessels, or just combat vessels, or...? Shimgray | talk | 22:45, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: @Shimgray US Navy unclassified miscellaneous ships and yard ships are not included in the ship count Telecine Guy (talk) 22:33, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

text: This study from ~1983  gives a figure of around 330 combat vessels, so "six hundred including support" looks plausible. Shimgray | talk | 19:24, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Aha!  In 1980, strength was 530ish; by 1987, it peaked at 594. But I don't know what the 600-ship plan specifically called for, over and above already-existing replacement plans - bear in mind that a surprising number of Reagan-era military programs were already simmering away before he took office, so a small increase "in the pipeline" already is possible.
The 600-ship navy called for 16 carrier battle groups as well as a "surface action group" centered around the 4 Iowa-class battleships. Lehman also toyed with the idea of recommisioning the Essex class carriers USS Bohommne Richard and USS Oriskany, but after seeing the condition they were in decided it wouldn't be worth the money.NavyAO2(AW) 16:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  600 ships? 

message: What happened to the suggestion here about including the James H. Webb resignation? When the Secretary of the Navy resigns his post in protest at fleet cutbacks (and the end of the 600 ship Navy philosophy), isn't that relevant to the subject? DesScorp 20:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added references to both Webb and Caspar Weinberger, two important pieces of the 600 ship Navy effort. --DesScorp 03:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The paragraph with Webb needs rewritten.  It describes events being from the early 1990's and then says that these events caused Webb to resign in 1988.  Jvbishop 18:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  James H. Webb? 

message: :Building on this gain, Soviet vessels began to sail in all seven seas with increased vigor, and even ventured into the Gulf of Mexico.
Ok, is it really fitting or encyclopedic to describe late-20th Century Soviet military buildup in terms of the medieval Seven Seas, whose membership and Geographic authority and relevance are in modern times questionable?? - Eric 08:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It actually sounds a bit like a quote to me. It's a bit flowery, but there is a modern meaning and especially in "all seven seas" seems pretty clear. I did find a citation for the GoM bit, though. --Dhartung | Talk 17:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Right. As I said, a modern meaning. The phrase is infrequently used by the Navy, which has viewed itself since roughly the Spanish-American War as a "Seven Seas navy", i.e. capable of regular operations anywhere, so the idea that the Soviet navy was even considering that must have been unsettling. During the 1970s Haiphong was the first and only Soviet-controlled deep water port outside the Warsaw Pact. But the real point as I also said is that it reads like a quote, except I haven't found the source. --Dhartung | Talk 07:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven seas? 

message: I notice several statements which are refuted elsewhere in Wikipedia; among them are "Under the programs put forth by Reagan ... the Bradley fighting vehicle, and the Abrams tank was completed and they were put into production."  The Bradley came out in 1981, so it might, technically, be considered to have something to do with RWR -- it came out during his first year.  But "The M1 Abrams entered U.S. service in 1980," according to the article that this one links to.
Similarly, the next sections states "Under the Reagan Administration, the first of the Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines was completed" although Ohio was launched on 7 April 1979.
Or am I missing something?
Geoffrey Pruitt (talk) 19:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reagan Plan/Ships and weapons systems deployed during the plan era 

message: I just was looking at the references on this page and was wondering about the fitnessnews.com source I am not sure how credible this site is and was wondering if anyone could vouch for it. Sunfishtommy (talk) 23:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I added this section for anyone who wants to delve into the 600-ship Navy and the Maritime Strategy that this program supported.§Marcd30319 (talk) 00:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Reading 

message: In the list of ship types and numbers, there is a subtotal entry that contains the follownig numbers.
Years	1980	1981	1982	1983	1984	1985	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990
Total Amphibious Active	67	60	60	60	60	60	60	60	60	60	60
If you add up the numbers above this subtotal what you actually get is:
Total Amphibious Active	67	67	67	65	63	63	63	66	68	67	67  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.21.149 (talk) 01:03, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a math error? 

message: In doing some research for the Background section, I turned up some interesting information, notably that as early as March 1977, Adm Holloway was advocating openly for a 600 ship navy. See the top of the second column of the following newspaper clip: Holloway was pushing a 600 ship navy in March 1977
This is at least a year earlier than the current text indicates Holloway was involved, although in my limited time, I can't find a quote related to the challenged statements about Holloway's concerns about the Soviet Navy. I'm putting this here so that someone with the time can continue to determine the timeline of the cold warrior push for mo' money & mo' ships. —--Srwalden (talk) 10:04, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research For Holloway's Role Advocating 600 Ship Navy