Talk:Commander Keen

message: Where in Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure does Commander Keen or another Commander Keen item make a cameo? It's not in the Apogee FAQ and it's not in the Look back at Commander Keen article. 81.70.123.72 14:45, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I think the reference is a mistake, as I don't remember any Keen cameos in Cosmo myself, nor am I able to find any information about it online, except for mentionings it exists without any proof. --Retodon8 07:19, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Duke Nukem makes a cameo there; maybe that was the mix-up.Sega381 12:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure 

message: The story part of this article needs some work. I think that the stories of Keen 1-2 should be added, although those are already shortly described in the Keen games section. Teklund 14:18, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to expand the story section, to put all the relevant information there.Sega381 12:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The story

message: I hate it when freaking pages don't have a disambiguation page like this. Commander Keen is not the only use of the word KEEN! 24.184.5.205 02:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you're talking about the Keen page. Why not just edit the that and add links to other "Keen" things? That should be an instant solution to your problem; more effective than complaining about it here. I can't think of anything but Commander Keen myself. Well, the meaning of the word, but no other real subjects. (Please type 4 ~s to add a sig to your edit.) Retodon8 12:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did a "Search" for "Keen", "Kean", "Keene" and "Keane", and there are a LOT of entries to add if you want a complete DAB page. Linking to Keane (disambiguation), Keene, both DAB pages themselves would help. (Kean doesn't exist, and Keane is about a band.) I also found Keen Toons and a LOT of people with last names from the 4 words I mentioned above, so good luck creating a complete DAB page. :) Retodon8 19:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I went ahead and made "Keen" a DAB page after all. It's incomplete because Wikipedia's Search isn't working anymore... has been having problems for the past few days now. Besides completing (if that's even possible), descriptions should still be added for the items, probably especially for the persons. I also added a bunch of persons (and more) to the Keene DAB page. Retodon8 13:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation page 

message: * Monkeystone Games made plans to release Keen Chronicles through a Softek International April 2002. It would have consisted of all Keen games packaged together for Microsoft Windows and Pocket PC, but it never got out of the planning stages, and was never even announced. Industry Media's website features the logo that would have been used.
How do we know of Keen Chronicles if it's never even been announced?? --Shultz III 00:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what the article says it's pretty much it, the logo can be found on the Industry Media website. (Click: Work > Identity > Monkeystone > Next x3.) The "original" thread on CC314 no longer exists due to ezboard being hacked, but the same information can be found on 3DR's forum. However, the first site is Flash, doesn't allow for a direct link, and the second is a forum, which wouldn't exactly be perfect to use for reference. It was never announced, the fact that the logo was found was more or less a fluke, so I say the "citation needed" thingy should probably removed again. Retodon8 01:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Never announced?? How do we know? 

message: Anyone else think this game was heavily influenced by the Megaman games on the NES? 159.134.163.53 23:43, 23 April 2006
:How so? They're both platformers, but the game series has no selectable weapons, no life bar, next to no bosses, a pogo stick... Sharing a genre is about as far as it goes, in my opinion. --Kizor 00:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  (First of all, original and anonymous poster, please sign your posts with 4 tildes; it makes discussions much easier to follow. Thanks.) I have to agree with Kizor. I only played Mega Man on the Game Boy (I think) for a few minutes, but the only thing they have in common, that I can think of, is that they are both platform games. Either game probably has more in common with random other platform games than they do with each other. You didn't elaborate, so please explain what you are referring to exactly. Retodon8 01:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that Commander Keen was influenced by Mega Man at all. --SeizureDog 04:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influenced by Megaman? 

message: A while ago Nintendude moved Commander Keen to Commander Keen series. I think the original name was better, since nobody will look for "whatever series", but always just "whatever". Of course technically the article is about the the series, so it's not really wrong either. The original article now just redirects here again, so it's still a shame.
Also, he made an article Billy Blaze, which contained no new information, just a few lines of text already in here. In other words, not something deserving its own article. Later Drat (please add a summary next time for easier reference) added that that and this article should be merged. I just removed that line, since I deleted the Billy Blaze article, and redirected it here as well. I figured I'd document it here in case someone was wondering. Retodon8 01:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be kept as Commander Keen series though.--SeizureDog 04:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted "Billy Blaze" article 

message: I am not 100% sure of the year Keen Dreams was released. However, it is certain it was developed before episodes 4-6 (see link to article "A look back at Commander Keen"), and both Moby Games and Gamespot put its release date as 1991. So, unless there is further proof saying otherwise, I think we should keep its release date as 1991.Sega381 12:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Keen Dreams Release Date

message: I don't think the screen shot of the pinball LED thing looks like a kid wearing a helmet, but more like a kid with parted hair... is there anything supporting that other than guessing; like an official FAQ, or interview with the designers/artists or something? --Atari2600tim (talk • contribs) 09:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem as a helmet to me either; and if it were, the colors would be wrong. Unless there is a more official evidence presented, I think the reference should be removed.Sega381 04:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roller Coaster Tycoon 

message: At their very beginning, ID Software created good, non-satanic games such as Commander Keen series. But since Dangerous Dave series (introduction of satanic zombies), through Wolfenstein/Spear Of Destiny, Doom (innocent Commander Keen hanged on gallows) and up to Quake and beyond, ID software began to insert satanic motives into their games. Which event could trigger this transition of ID software from good to evil? 83.19.52.107 10:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this same conversation is taking place at the Talk:Id Software page, which is more appropiate, so I guess any comments should go there.Sega381 13:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transition of ID from good to evil 

message: At the end of episode 3, there's a note in the strange alphabet which comes on the screen. I actually took the time to decode it once, thought the wiki could use it, but I'll let you guys put it where it belongs in the article.
Dear Billy,
You Fell for my android 
dupolicate ploy in the mangling
machine and now you've fallen
for it again 
I'm blowing up the universe not 
the stupid galaxy
this was just a big distraction
dodo
tag youre it
mortimer
ps gannalech is how these dumb
shikadi pronounce grand
intellect
or didnt you notice that mister
three fourteen
The interesting thing is that the computer sound actually does say "gannalech", and i don't know anyone that picked it up. Oh well, i hope the wiki can put it to good use.
Yours,
Andrew
202.155.162.22 (talk) 00:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually the end of episode 5, but check the Keen Wiki at . All the detailed information, such as that message, can be found there, and it even has its own article. Sega381 (talk) 12:13, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of Episode 3 

message: === Future Stuff ===
Joe Siegler from Apogee here.  There's two things I plan on adding here - I'd do it now, except I'd have to dig the materials out of my archives at work.   One is a copy of an old piece of paper Tom Hall used to have hanging above his desk when Keen was being made.  It was his original SGA document.  It shows the entire alphabet as originally created.
Additionally, not all 26 letters have been used in the Keen games.  At the moment, I forget which were not, I'd have to look it up.
Heh.  Right after I posted this, I found the SGA scan document on the 3DR website.  As I'm the webmaster there, I uploaded it here for the SGA page.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dopefish (talk • contribs) .
===C & S===
Are the SGA equivalents really the same, or it just my eyes? 
Great article!
EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 17:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the large version of the document.  It's quite clear they're not the same thing!  --Dopefish 04:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a very good idea; I'll see if I have the time to do it later... Sega381 (talk) 12:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Merged.--Sega381 (talk) 17:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SGA Discussions 

message: Are the SGA equivalents really the same, or it just my eyes? 
Great article!
EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 17:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the large version of the document.  It's quite clear they're not the same thing!  --Dopefish 04:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: C & S

message: It occurs to me that the Daedra script from Morrowind and the Dinotopian script from Dinotopia are just as fun to descipher, also include messages scattered throughout, and should be grouped together in a category. --BlueNight (talk) 22:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glyph substitutions in other games and media 

message: I was being bored on Wikipedia today and I noticed the tag at the top of the page that basically said the page was worth nothing. I highly disagree; I think the page is awesome. But maybe it would be better if it were merged with the Commander Keen article. Just a thought.
CrayZsaaron (talk) 02:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a very good idea; I'll see if I have the time to do it later... Sega381 (talk) 12:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Merged.--Sega381 (talk) 17:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Commander Keen? 

message: The article is going to remain start class for now: there's a decisive lack of structure for the article. Try to reorganize into an encyclopedic sense and bring forth more references. Look at how similar articles are structured.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment as of [[2008-12-14]] 

message: I always wondered if "Gannalech" is supposed to sound like Scots or Scottish Gaelic. It would certainly correspond with the tartan-clad and bushy red mustached enemies in the secret level of Episode 5. The level's background music is also an original march for the bagpipes written by the iD's musician of the era, Bobby Prince. This is arguably original research and probably doesn't belong in the article, but I'm posting it here to see if anyone thought along the same lines. D Boland (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gannalech 

message: I noticed that there isn't really a good link to download the shareware games for free. I own DOSome Games, which hosts free downloads for all of the shareware games along with windows installer scripts for each (DOSome Games: Commander Keen).  I think that a link to that page as well as to another site featuring the raw files for non-windows users, like RGB Classic Games would be a great addition. 
Furthermore, I think there are enough links here that some subheadings would be helpful, like in the Doom (video game) article.  I can make go ahead and make these changes if nobody disagrees.
Lmaxsmith (talk) 05:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Subheadings may be good, try them out. About the shareware downloads, the links to the 3D Realms pages have the raw, original sharware games, so I think there is no need for another link. About the Windows scripts, it may be nice, but it may sound to some editors as linkspam, so I'm not sure it will stay...--Sega381 (talk) 01:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I stuck on a couple of subheadings.  I'll wait a few more days for somebody to object before linking to the windows download.  
Lmaxsmith (talk) 06:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links and Downloads 

message: "All enemies are based on fruit or vegetables, such as: Tomatooth, Broccolash, and Frenchy; whereas the collectible score items are sweets."
Since when were french fries fruit or vegetables?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.134.246.171 (talk) 02:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Though the wording may not be the best, I guess it's refering to potatoes?--Sega381 (talk) 04:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keen Dreams 

message: The yorps are not enemies to Keen (though occasionally they can get in the way). AnonMoos (talk) 05:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Martians

message: Where it says :
Fan website Keen.Retodon8.net features the logo that would have been used.
The logo word links to a malware website (reforward)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.135.100.194 (talk) 17:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Indented line
I can confirm this. This should be deleted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosephSzymborski (talk • contribs) 19:51, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link now leads to malware, needs to be fixed/removed 

message: What language were games like this and Crystal Caves coded in? Credulity (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of the critical display routines must have been encoded in assembly language; no idea about the rest... AnonMoos (talk) 06:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Programming language 

message: Under the heading Other Releases And cancelled games, the sentence with citation 10 ("The final trilogy was released as a fan-made mod, requiring the original games to function") is arguably inaccurate and misleading, as to my knowledge Tom Hall neither directly contributed to uTUIT nor has he as of yet endorsed it as canonical. I figured I'd bring this up on the talk page before committing an edit in case there's information I'm lacking.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.97.70.96 (talk) 15:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The way how I read the passage is that it was created and released by fans, therefore making the fans have created the "fan-made" mod, but, if you find the sentence to constitute weasel words, please do so! Gamingforfun365 (talk) 22:53, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You can stop worrying about it now; I have already taken care of the problem. The content also seemed to be trivial when that stuff should have been under the "Legacy" section. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 02:32, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Universe Isn't Toast 

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message: This article and the articles for Galaxy, Vorticons and Babysitter all refer to parallax scrolling as something that was in these games, referencing Masters of Doom. This appears to be a mistake -- Masters of Doom discusses Carmack's experiments with parallax scrolling around this time, and indeed there exists a "Keen 7 tech demo" which was a basic test of the Galaxy engine extended to 256-color VGA and with parallax scrolling, but none of ID's Keen games had parallax scrolling. tgies (talk) 23:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends on how technical you're being. Does the game arbitrarily scroll the background layer separate from the foreground and then calculate on the fly what that looks like on the screen? No. The calculations are done in advance and then the game picks the merged layer image without having to work it out in real time. Commander Keen in Keen Dreams goes into it since it was developed for that game, but for the rest of them, it's a small technical detail that has little to do with the reader's understanding of the game, just like how articles on 90s/2000s games like Unreal Tournament don't usually discuss that they use a skybox to make the playable area seem arbitrarily large but you're actually inside of a box, they just say that a level is where it appears to be. --PresN 02:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parallax scrolling? 

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