Talk:Politics of Wales

message: Would it be a good idea to try and set-up this page along the same lines as the Politics of Scotland page? TG312274 01:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  An Idea 

message: With this section I have hopes that specific topics in Welsh politcs could be wiki-linked here, once these pages are developed. Any assistance here would be of great value. The issues with the Welsh NHS would be a fantastic starting point, how it works in Wales, and the poisitives and contraversies. Drachenfyre 14:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wold suggest we go down a more discursive route. i.e, a lot of the debate since 1999 has been the proposed need for more Assembly powers, but hospital waiting times have dominated, as has discussions of the performance of the Welsh economy in comparison to the UK as a whole. Also, Objective One etc. Normalmouth 08:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of corse, a balanced and informative narrative would be best. But the scope might be rather cumbersom. I am open to someone tackling this if a balanced narrative mentioning the most important politician topics in Wales is addressed. As it stands now, it is a list of topics currently in the news on BBC Wales Today and Dragons Eye. Drachenfyre 08:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Posting here rather than opening a new section. Most of the bulleted list looks reasonable, but without citations it's pure WP:OR. I'm tagging and mentioning here in accordance with WP:DRIVEBY. However, I will try to update the section shortly: there's some good material in McLean's chapter in Blair's Britain, and I'll have a root around the IWA website. Pondle (talk) 16:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Topics of Welsh Politics 

message: I have added a section giving a biref description (and where applicable a link to the main article) of each of the five main political parties in Wales (theese are the only five with representation in Westminster, the Assembly or the European Parliament). I'll add more to the Lib Dem and Forward Wales bits when I get a chance. Normalmouth 17:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the polticial parties section to where it already was on the outline. Wedged between national insitutions and the Assembly information looked too awkward and out of place. the artical reads more smoothly now when you transition from the set up of institutions to what those institutions actually are. Drachenfyre 01:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think this is way too far down the article. It is a more significant element in the politics of Wales than as listed and sets the scene for discsionss about the Assembly etc. Normalmouth 08:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   I moved it further up the outlineDrachenfyre 09:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main political parties 

message: I'm not at all sure what is meant by the 'success of Lloyd George and Bevan lead to a social movement demanding political institutions'. Lloyd George, like many such politicians at the time, was far more concerned with disestablishment and Bevan was one of the most stridently anti-home rule politicians ever to have gained prominence in Wales. This needs to be redrafted. Normalmouth 08:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not happy with the form of words used here. The point is not that Wales is in close proximity to England - it always has been - but that Welsh identity has survived (and latterly thrived) despite very high levels of integration with the English economic, cultural, political and legal systems. I'd also like some changes as per the point above. I'll embark on a rewrite later today. Normalmouth 09:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  er, that's not what your revision says (which incidentally lacks any citations of its own). So I've reverted it. I#ve explained why I object to your version. please tell me why you are unhappy with mine, other than claiming (wringly) it is discussed elsewhere. Normalmouth 07:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  But to describe the emergence of Wales's national institutions without refering to what they emerged from (i.e a highly unitary state unusuited in many ways to their development) would be like describing the Marshall Plan without mentioning the need for the post-war reconstruction of Europe. If you are going to talk of the transformation of Wales, you have to put it in context, i.e what it transformed from. Besides, the point about integration is not one simply about the legal system. Normalmouth 08:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't propose to amend it, but I'm curious as to why you have removed 'highly' from the part about E&W's integration. Until 1964 there was no distinction in administration or government between the two and no territorial authority for Wales. Until the last few years the delivery of core public services have been virtually identical in scope and approach, while even today economies of the two countries are inextricably integrated, as is the infrastructure, nearly all media and broadcasting, and much else that is less tangible such as culture, values etc. If this isn't 'highly integrated' I don't know what is. Please remember, we're trying to describe what is/was, not what people think ought to be. Normalmouth 10:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  National institutions 

message: This section is not mentioning anything about Wales's new Law making powers. This section should not be so mis-leading and should be labelled "English law". I would suggest though someone change this section to talk about the new powers of the National Assembly for Wales and none of this misleading contexts. Amlder20 21:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contemporary Welsh Law 

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message: I object Normalmouth to you removing valuable sourced infomration. You remove sourced information with each edit that you do, whereas everytime you have a source to add I incorporate that into the text. Please do not remove sourced information. If you have text which offers a varient viewpoint, then it should be included alongside with the other text, and the reader can determin the difference.Drachenfyre 04:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive asked for peer review. Drachenfyre 04:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Any sourced material that you have should be added, I agree. However your edits consistantly removed complete sections of sourced material. You critized Dr. John Davies as being bias, however, Lord Morgan is himself a labour party member and contributor of the Labour party, as his his wife. Drachenfyre 20:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

text:  I value his publications and material, and you should add it to the artical. However, not at the expense of removing other sourced material... if there is a dissagreement between Davies and Morgan on a particular point then both should be presented, and let the reader determine the difference. Drachenfyre 20:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by Normalmouth 

message: Your edits are over-reliant on one source, too wordy and POV. When I reove sourced information it is for these reasons. Also stylistically, it is wrong to constantly refer to the source (i.e "according to Dr Davies") in the text. That is the point of a citation.Normalmouth 08:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by Drachenfyre 

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message: I would like to update this article to include an explanation of the powers of the Assembly since the referendum. Does anyone object to that? Tralban (talk) 00:01, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Updating on new powers

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message: Just had some changes reverted without comment... The summary at the start misleadingly suggests that the UK Government has override powers in all devolved areas (an equivalent of the primary powers and sovereignty of Westminster). This is not the case. Most secondary/executive powers are held exclusively by the devolved governments. Government and Parliament do not work the same. Moreover, to describe the constitution as a "unitary" one is seriously misleading, as well as being at odds with much academic work over the last two decades. Union state is a much more accurate desciptor. It seems there is a confusion about the legal position of specifically parliamentary sovereignty, and both the uniform executive and administrative landscape in the UK, not to mention the varied primary-landscape.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Passmebywiki (talk • contribs) 06:48, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unitary state 

message: This article has since split off being copy-and-pasted from this article's overview section, not fully opposed but these types of articles seem to greatly overlap with "politics of", so not sure what should be where in more or less detail. DankJae 09:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest the Government of Wales article is replaced by a redirect to the Politics of Wales article. Ehrenkater (talk) 09:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I had raised a discussion also at WP:UKPOLITICS to no response, as the IP also created Government of Scotland, while Government of Northern Ireland also seems a bit redundant. DankJae 09:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Government of Wales]] article