Talk:African-American neighborhood

message: It looks like a good start. I'm working on a todo box for this article. CJ (talk) 15:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: great!futurebird (talk) 15:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Feedback

message: I've got a bunch of shots of New Orleans, Atlanta, and Tallahassee on my flickr account. Everything is by-sa so take what you need. I've uploaded a couple already.CJ (talk) 16:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's Frenchtown in Tallahassee. It's a historic district that dates back to at least reconstruction. The other is old Lincoln Academy, the first Black school in the city. CJ (talk) 19:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: This is a really complex topic, because you are dealing with huge population movements against the rise and fall of industrial and urban America, such rapid growth and then decades of decline. Nicholas Lemann wrote that at the height of the Great Migration, 5,000 people a week were arriving in Chicago from the South - getting off the trains and looking for housing and work. The infrastructure, buildings and roads and schools, and economy can't be changed as rapidly as people can move, for whatever reasons.
So much relates to the jobs, that you might have to divide it into decades. The post-WWII years were good for many people; probably the good outweighed the bad, even with the problems, because the availability of jobs helped many.
Urban renewal and highway projects were, in their beginnings, attempts to improve things - in the overly rational approach, they didn't realize how much damage they would do by breaking up neighborhoods, or how long places took to come together as effective neighborhoods.
I think the article on Great Migration notes that whole villages migrated together from the South. Black or any ethnic neighborhoods weren't only a result of segregation, but also of people initially wanting to live near their neighbors or people from the same culture, who would have the same food, the same tastes, the same accents and language, who they would go to church with, etc. Yes, segregation prevented them from easily spreading out when the neighborhoods became overcrowded.
People going into areas as migrants consistently settled near their own people and have continued to do so. Little Italy in NY has been mostly overtaken by Chinatown; parts of South Philly that were Italian are now big Vietnamese and Cambodian neighborhoods.--Parkwells (talk) 18:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use Decade Dividers?

message: Maybe it's better just to talk about 20th c. African American neighborhoods, and bring them into the 21st c. Often African Americans went into neighborhoods previously occupied by Irish, Italian or Jewish immigrants - people moved in waves through NY and some cities. The urban northern neighborhoods had their own distinct issues.--Parkwells (talk) 20:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article is stronger with the historical information. Otherwise the one race cabal will be in here tomorrow talking about overcategorization and notability and such. As far as the prior history of the neighborhoods, the same thing happened in the south where blacks moved into formerly white neighborhoods. I just don't see the distinct issues. CJ (talk) 21:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition 

message: Is this the right title for this article?
*African American neighborhood
*German American neighborhood
*Italian American neighborhood
*Irish American neighborhood
*Dutch American neighborhood
*Polish American neighborhood
*Jewish American neighborhood
*Chinese American neighborhood
*Asian American neighborhood
*Mexican American neighborhood
*English American neighborhood
*Spanish American neighborhood
*Greek American neighborhood
*Russian American neighborhood
*French American neighborhood
*Indian American neighborhood
*Hindu American neighborhood
*Native American neighborhood
*Hispanic American neighborhood
*Korean American neighborhood
*Protestant American neighborhood
*Catholic American neighborhood
*Islamic American neighborhood
All these other's have shorter names or don't exist yet. And the ones I found are basically just lists of ethnic enclaves like List of Italian-American neighborhoods. Is the title correct? Maybe the organization of the ethnic enclaves needs some work. Guess these articles should link into the Ethnic enclave articles sub articles. Using the American in the titles can help keep these ethnic enclaves American while the ethnic enclaves of other parts of the world can get their own names and articles. There are Chinatowns outside America but those in America can be in the Chinese American neighborhood article. Alatari (talk) 09:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is not handled any differently than the other articles. "African Americans" are a distinct ethnic group, and the history and culture of AA neighborhoods have little to do with Little Africas in other countries. This isn't an article about African neighborhoods in America. Chinatowns, Little Italys, etc have commonalities wherever they're found; it would be silly to separate the places from one country from all the rest. If any of the other ethnic neighborhood articles are just lists, it means that those articles need to be improved. This one is actually quite well written, especially considering that it's a new article. 208.201.238.208 (talk) 23:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The list itself probably needs to be moved to List of African American neighborhoods and a request for more Little X articles need to be made. African American neighborhood is a distinct culture evolved only in America different from Little Africa or Little Haiti. I understand what you mean now. There's hundreds or thousands of ethnic neighborhoods in America and around the world. This is a major project. Alatari (talk) 14:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: Although I do feel uncomfortable singling out our neighborhood for any reason because of the old redlining practices, our close neighborhoods of North St. Louis (the West Walnut Manor area, and also Jennings, Pine Lawn, the ghost town of Kinlock, and East St. Louis plus others) aren't listed. What sources are you using to choose these neighborhoods that are listed? Actually many of the listed towns have no sources showing their predominantly AA status and should be tagged . Year 2000 census data needs to be quoted in each case. Alatari (talk) 17:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Walnut Park area of St. Louis was like the Hell's Kitchen in New York and is now predominantly AA and is subdivided amongst several townships. It's being called a ghost town by some because it has lost it's cultural identity. I need help rebuilding a page dedicated to it's history. The others I listed were the most influential or most populous of the many in St. Louis County/City. Alatari (talk) 22:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing neighborhoods 

message: The first paragraph states AA Neighborhoods effected American culture in general. Not sure who requested the citation but I suppose the influences on dance and music would work. Elvis was recruited to singlike the music coming out of Black neighborhoods. Would an Elvis example be a supporting source? Alatari (talk) 14:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation requested 

message: Because of the length and content in the primary article, I think an article entitled List of African American neighborhoods should be developed. A table with significant dates and notes could be created. • Freechild'sup? 17:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. This has become the list that ate the article.—Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 02:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of African American neighborhoods

message: I was editing the "built environment" section and removed the following from a sentence:
"Although after the Great Migration from the rural South... [retained text] ...there are a growing number of suburban neighborhoods with black majority populations or with a significant population."
I did this because it had nothing to do with the section header.  I saved it and pasted it here just in case it should added elsewhere. Huw Powell (talk) 03:26, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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