Talk:Comverse Technology

message: While this articles seems to have the information right from what I know, it sounds opinionated. The phrasing could be improved, and references to the claims should be added.
nuffin 12:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Wasted time has immediately deleted my appendage to the conspiracy theory note at the end of the Growth in Wireless section. 
I had added:
</ref> For instance, it is conjectured that Comverse technology protected Israeli espionage activities in the US, as well as covert operations involved in enabling 9/11 as a false-flag psy-op.  9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA . Similar insinuations were made regarding the London underground train bombings of July 2005, where Verint were said to have got contracts for security and CCTV installations for the London underground in Sept. 2004. Terror on the Tube: an Investigation Behind the Veil of 7/7 . Immediately preceding is a reference to conspiracy theories, but not to the one that 9/11 conspiracy theorists have written about regarding Comverse and 9/11. 
Wasted time wrote:
"rv - the "details" of lurid conspiracy theories belong in articles about those theories, not a real article about a real company based on real facts)"
There are many problems with this. "Details" - I did not go into details but gave only the main line of the theories regarding a Comverse role in 9/11-as-false-flag-operation.
"Lurid" is a value-loaded term with no substantive content. The same applies to "real facts." What is real to me may be lurid to wasted time. What is a real fact to wasted time may seem absurd to me. That isn't relevant nor is it a reason to censor other views.
Why should theories about Comverse not appear under the Comverse article but only under the theories article? Millions of people have only heard of Comverse in connection with these theories. They are notable -- for that section of the public, certainly the most notable aspect of the company's profile -- so they shouldn't be scrubbed. 
Anyone wishing to scrub these theories from wikipedia could argue that the theory of Comverse involvement is too minor a detail in the immense mass of data composing the corpus of material on 9/11-as-inside-job to be mentioned under that topic. Indeed, Comverse is not mentioned at 9/11_conspiracy_theories. It would have to go either under the article Main theories or Other theories. The suspected involvement of Comverse apparently has not been thought to be a main theory; the scope is of the treatment is quite limited, with the two articles together only adding up to about 5200 words.
Moreover, it is uncanny that Comverse has come under suspicion not only for 9/11 but also for the 7/7 London Tube bombings. That alone is a reason to cite these theories under the Comverse article, rather than at the 9/11 and 7/7 articles.
More often cited regarding 9/11 is the Odigo warning. Odigo is an Israeli company purchased by Comverse in 2002. Roughly half the Wikipedia article on Odigo is entitled "Odigo and the 9/11 investigation." If you search Wikipedia on Odigo warning, you are redirected to 9/11_conspiracy_theories, but there is no mention of Odigo there. Apparently it has been scrubbed.
So wasting time's reasoning is just a rationalization or brush-off. If the material were posted at 9/11_conspiracy_theories it would be deleted there too. JPLeonard (talk) 05:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's focus on Wikipedia's bedrock principle.  The text you inserted suggests that Comverse, and the people of Comverse, are guilty of secret, terrible crimes.  But there is no WP:Verification or WP:Reliable sources to back such suggestions, only some fevered conspiracy theory books.  There was one Fox News/Le Monde report that linked Comverse to U.S. government backdoors for electronic eavesdropping, and even though there was never follow-up on that from those or other mainstream news sources, it is included in the article. But again, there are no mainstream, reliable sources that link Comverse or the people of Comverse to the terror attacks you have mentioned.  Thus, it doesn't belong.  I would also argue that WP:BLPGROUP applies here too to some extent.  Whether this belongs in articles about those conspiracy theories is up for the editors that deal with those swamps to decide.  The text here does state that Comverse has had the attention of conspiracy theorists, so if the reader is really desperate to find out what, they can do a web search and come up with all sorts of conspiracy junk.  As for your finding it "uncanny" that Comverse has been the subject of two conspiracy theories, that's hardly surprising at all.  Conspiracy theorists all use a common set of tropes and it's not hard to figure out which one Comverse falls into.  Wasted Time R (talk) 10:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
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