Talk:Casual gamer

message: I have added sources to the article, removed unsourced, original research and removed the no citations tag. Please add verifying sources when adding subjective content from now on, thank you. Bridies (talk) 17:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up 

message: What does this have to do with video games only for? The term "casual gamer" has been in use since prior to video games existed. There are casual gamers in RPGs, card games, etc, and inclusion neds to be for these as well just the video game aspect of the term. shadzar-talk 14:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  video games only? 

message: As mentioned above, this article treats this phrase as solely for video games, and likewise on the merge discussion, the term is claimed to be only form video games, while in fact this term has been in use prior to. While references may not be instantly findable to relate this term to other types of games beyond video games, since video games are so easily found as well information about them, on the internet. The term was used as mentioned in the merge discussion in a 1981 pen and paper RPG focused magazine by a reader in a letter to the editor. Research will likely find other occurences of this term being used for more than just video games, and those should be looked into to prevent recentism or bias in this article. shadzar-talk 11:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mentioned before, you need sources to back up your claims (not that I especially doubt them but hey). I don't think a letter to the editor qualifies as a reliable source, even if it's a reliable publication. If the term is far more prevalent in video gaming as suggested by the relative ease of finding sources, then it would be due weight rather than recentism to give it the appropriate coverage. bridies (talk) 12:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because America calls football "soccer" does not make it the proper term for the game no matter how recent it is or either game is. So while more sources may exist that claim the term is related to video games, it does NOT say this term ONLY is used for video games. Therefore where is the proof that this term only relates to video games other than original research that says it has so far only been found in video game related publications? Have other publications been searched to see if this term exists in other type of gaming? shadzar-talk 14:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, one does not have to prove that it is only related to video games. The burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise, since the only current sources use the term in the context of video games. I don't get what your point is with the football analogy. It's easily demonstrable that the common term worldwide is "football" (or "futbol" or whatever) with any number of sources. bridies (talk) 05:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well sorry, but I have neither the time nor money to purchase any back issues of magazines related to gaming that I do not own to track down this term. Since others are working on it, I thought I would prevent them from making an error or many along the way and falsely assume this term means something video game only related, and then falsely present this information as facts. Feel free to get every gaming periodical and read through them to find the truth about this term, or feign ignorance as an excuse for putting something in correctly into wikipedia. I have shown a case where it was used outside of video gaming. Since people are working on this, in order to make it a decent article, you would hope they take the time to properly research. The point is that you shouldn't use recentism or a local phenomenon to assert as facts on a global scale. shadzar-talk 09:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed