Talk:Caubeen

message: For so much disruptive editing and reverting i have to say i'm amazed that not a single discussion has taken place here in regards to the issues. It is clear MFIreland has an agenda and is intent on enforcing it especially without discussion, whilst others are intent on reverting without discussion.
I would like to ask all editing of the article to stop for the time being and have any issues discussed here first.
I reverted to the last version before MFIrlenad made big changes to the article - all of which undiscussed and involved the deletion of some sourced relevant information that did its best to turn the article from an article on a hat of Irish origin to an article on a British/Commonwelath headdress. Mabuska (talk) 23:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On a side note the article does need source improving amongst other things - but getting this stupid edit warring to end is more important. Consensus should be agreed upon. Mabuska (talk) 23:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As a second side note. MFIreland there was no reason for the removal of the entire Glengarry section, even of the sourced parts of it. Mabuska (talk) 00:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disruptive editing 

message: A suggestion for the intro based on the above discussion.
:A Caubeen is a name used for various hats, the most common is the military bonnet type caubeen worn by British and Commonwealth armys. The name caubeen may have come from the anglicised Irish term "cáibín" literally meaning "old hat"Concise Oxford Dictionary, 11th Edition or the French word "corbeau" referring to the dark green colours of the military bonnet. The military bonnet type caubeen is very similar to the military Tam o' Shanter bonnet but with out a toorie.
--MFIreland • Talk 12:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have sources that clearly state that the caubeen is a name of various hats of which a certain type is the most common? We can't add original research or synthesis into any article. Also a source is needed for the similarity to the Tam O'Shanter. Without sources then it can't be added as it can't be verified. Mabuska (talk) 12:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

text: From the newest Concise Oxford English Dictionary: Luxury Edition, 11th edition, revised 2009
caubeen 
noun Irish a hat or beret. 
Origin
C19: Ir., lit. 'old hat', from caibin 'little cape', dimin. of caba 'cape'.
--MFIreland • Talk 16:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the online version of the Oxford dictionary just states beret as of 2010. Anyways i've altered what i have wrote above, truncating some of the intro and expanding on the actual origin on the name caubeen. Mabuska (talk) 17:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added stuff to the test version of the new article. What do you think? Its all sourced and written better than present article. If it suits all that is needed is to rewrite the military bit. Mabuska (talk) 22:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry that, due to other commitments, I haven't been able to take part in the discussion. Firstly, I agree with the sentiments of user Chud05 above, in particular "I find it regrettable that one editor can be continue to push such an obviously skewed POV". The caubeen was and is an Irish hat, and has been known as that for several hundred years. It has been mentioned dozens of times in novels, short stories, songs and newspaper articles from the end of the 18th century. It has always been distinctively Irish - there was never a British or English caubeen, and the name comes from the Irish language. I can provide at least a dozen references for this. After the visit of George IV to Ireland in 1821 it was often regarded by English journalists as the headgear of a peasant who dressed in an old-fashioned style. The intro should reflect the origins and history of this headgear, and start with its historical origins, in Ireland, and then its linguistic meaning. That's only logical. Somewhere after that can come the adoptation of the NAME, by the British, for a DIFFERENT kind of headgear, military, of which MFIreland is so enamoured, and so fond of repeating, ad nauseam, but which I think we are by now pretty fed up with. Hohenloh  +   00:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

text: In 1938 there was an altercation in the Dáil, when Sean Lemass announced that tax on imported ladies' hats would be raised, in order to protect Irish hat producers. Deputy Dillon from the opposition complained that Irish ladies would be forced to wear Connacht caubeens.  A ladies' hat factory in Galway took offence at that and announced that on Deputy Dillon's next visit to the city he would be presented with a suitable "Galway caubeen". Irish Times, 7 April 1938, p. 8. Hohenloh  +   01:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if you have other sources mentioning the caubeen then please add them into here, where we are doing a rewrite. The more sourced information the better. Mabuska (talk) 11:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello? Mabuska (talk) 14:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: Well seeing the lack of fresh contributions here i've decided to add what has been reworded already into the article. As its fully sourced and worded better none of it can be argued against and there are no need for citation tags for any of it. The military section still needs done however and i will work on it when i get around to it. Mabuska (talk) 18:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
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