Talk:Theatre/Archive 1

message: This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. With a majority vote "Theater" has been changed to "Theatre".  I will let others decide if there should be any split with something at Theater (which I would object to, personally) – please feel free to contact me if further admin assistance is required. violet/riga (t) 14:40, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Decision

message: I have boldly moved the theater building section to a separate article. This was originally proposed by Ganymead. I haven't changed content and spelling of the section.
Theatre can be a branch of the performing arts or a building - these are two very different concepts. Two separate articles will allow editors to focus on either the art or the building and lead to better disambiguation. In the previous version of this article, the buildling section started with: "A theater is also the building in which..." Nobbie 08:25, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Building section 

message: Alright, there's costume design, costume designer, but lighting designer and scenic designer redirect to lighting design and scenic design respectively.  Also, sound designer (Theatre) has been requested, but there is a sound design.  
As costume designer and costume design are such small stubs, ought they be merged and Sound designer (Theatre) redirected to sound design until the design process and the designer themselves both have enough information to warrant two separate articles?  For consistency's sake, really. Cigarette
: Although Lighting design now seems to redirect to Lighting designer! I agree that costume designer should be merged into costume design. - Sticki 19:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design(er) 

message: This section really needs examples.  A serious Theatre or Film major knows how to talk about this without getting into copyright issues.   For example listing Tommy under Rock Opera. McDogm--64.12.116.200 15:05, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre List

message: The following assertion has reappeared in this article:
:For some people in the U.S., perhaps more so among theatre professionals, "theatre" denotes a branch of the performing arts, whereas "theater" refers to the building in which performances or other entertainment is presented.
Does anyone have any citation or reference or study that shows this might be true for more than "some people"?  Or examples of usage?  I would like to leave it in the article if it's true, but my now-deleted links to Juilliard show that even at this august institution, there is no pattern for the use of "theater" vs. "theatre".  Here they are again, for those who missed them: 
* - Look under Drama and see how many variations there are in spelling.
* - The artform is spelled "Theater" throughout.
I see no universal or even predominant convention for selecting "theater" over "theatre" in the US except for proper nouns where one or the other has been selected.  But I am open to being proved wrong. Shoaler 13:49, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been more than one lengthy discussion on the newsgroup rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft in the late 1990's in which something like 70% of the professionals participating preferred "theatre". There may have been similar discussions on other r.a.t groups. This article is the first reference I've seen to explicitly separate the artform and the building. It is clear that both are used in the names of buildings. I just surveyed the U.S. white pages directory, filtering for performing arts usages of theatre/er only, and of the first 100 listed, it was 79/21 in favour of "theatre". (Most of the filtered out material was Home Theater, where usage was close to 50/50. The ratio for cinemas seemed close to that for live theatre) dramatic 19:50, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here we go again 

message: I'm removing two contradictory fragments of text from the page to here:
#  , due to the spelling reform efforts of Noah Webster,
#  Aside from this, the Oxford English Dictionary's Guide to good English points out that the -er spelling was used in English before the -re, and has been preserved in American English, whereas the latter was based on the French spelling.
I suggest that we have a duel to the death between etymologists and reinstate the winner. - My money would be on the second, which appears to have sources. dramatic 10:15, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If only one must be reinstated, I would obviously cast my vote in favour of the second, as I myself added it and have a reliable source by which to go. But I do not think there is any more than a superficially apparent, but truly nonexistent, contradiction. I do not know all that much on the subject, but it could be that both spellings were in usage, the -re one having been imported later from French, but separate standardisations on opposite sides of the Atlantic (with the American one influenced by Noah Webster, as is stated) resulted in the later one becoming standard in the UK, whereas the other became the standard spelling in the US. I do not see any real problem with what was there, although I am not sure about the former statement being correct anyway. elvenscout742 19:36, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article now contradicts itself. 

message: Hi there, I notice that in this article there is a lot of activity about spelling that could be better channeled into the subject itself. You may be interested in this proposal to put an end to the problem. Thanks. PizzaMargherita 21:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling proposal 

message: "'Drama' (literally translated, Action, from a verbal root meaning 'I do')...." What language is it translated from? 204.16.92.129 16:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Drama" was the Late Latin word, translated from Greek. 218.218.61.59 21:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translated from what? 

message: You’ll find the same to be true at the official web site of the Indonesian government Government of Indonesia. (n.d.). National web portal. Retrieved on June 25, 2006. as well.
: what an absolutely fascinating claim. Using that site's inbuilt search returns zero results for either spelling (it probably only searches the currently selected language). Using the site: parameter at google finds 0 results for theater and 2 results (html and pdf versions of the same content by the look of it) for theatre, both in Bahasa Indonesia.
::In terms of English usage, not Bahsa, simple search for color shows 42 hits vd. only 1 for colour. I think what this tells us is that the site style-guide as witht the Chinese government site is likely one that follows American spellilngs. i maintain the observation that if there were an article about "theater" then, it would follow that spellilng.
::But besides all of that, you may be missing my larger purpose. I have made a strong and convincing case that -er is indeed the dominant international. I can only present the facts and let others decide for themselves. My larger purpose was simply to discredit the notion you and some others put forth that -re was some kind of international spelling. I think that notion has been not thrown into serious doubt now. Part of my purpose was to educate, i.e., until 1700 the prevailing spelling had been -er. 210.197.240.31 02:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The use of <i>theat<b>er</b></i> in Indonesia

message: Substituted at 20:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment