Talk:Herbal tea

message: First line reads "An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is a herbal or plant infusion and usually not made from the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis)."  By that definition, coffee is a tisane, and the most popular tisane in the world.  If that's the case, it should be mentioned prominently in the article.
Dave (talk) 19:45, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coffee is a tisane? 

message: I believe the bissap and hibiscus are the same species.  Badagnani 05:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bissap/hibiscus 

message: What is the origin of drinking tea? It a related origin to soup? When, and where did people start drinking warm water?  And flavouring it?  When did this become routine?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.144.241 (talk) 22:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the origin of tea? 

message: This article already emphasises the fact that anything containing tea leaves is not a tisane, that tisanes are not true teas. But no one wants to see scare-quotes in a heading i.e. Herbal "Tea", so let's make Tisane the primary name, leaving Herbal Tea as a redirect.
If there's no objections I'll just go ahead. Nick 17:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is tisane a commonly used term? I've never heard it before now, I've only heard the terms "herbal tea" and less commonly, "infusion".--RLent 17:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's quite commonly used in the tea communities to denote any plant material or aquaous plant infusions that are not created from the leaves and flushes of Camellia sinensis. Sjschen 02:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also find it improper to use "Herbal Tea" instead of "Tisane". You can't fight bad habits, but the correct word is still "Tisane". I propose the people in charge of this article change it to Tisane and keep the section in the beginning saying that "Herbal Tea" is popular, but a misnomer. "Herbal Infusion" could also be used throughout the article if "Tisane" is not popular enough in other countries. Bragador (talk) 01:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see nothing wrong with the current name of this article.  A quick check of several online dictionaries reveals the following acceptable definitions for tea.  For example, "Any infusion or decoction, especially when made of the dried leaves of plants; as, sage tea; chamomile tea; catnip tea."  And another: "Any of various plants somewhat resembling tea in properties; also : an infusion of their leaves used medicinally or as a beverage."   And yet another: "Any of various beverages, made as by steeping the leaves of certain plants or by extracting an infusion especially from beef.  Any of various plants having leaves used to make a tealike beverage.  Thus, the term "herbal tea" seems to be proper usage according these authorities.  Supporting this premise, I can think of many plants that have the term 'tea' in their common names: New Jersey tea (several species in Ceanothus), Mormon tea (several species in Ephedra), tea of heaven (Hydrangea serrata)—just to name a few examples.  Pinethicket (talk) 10:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

text: The french page is well named "Tisane" despite a lot of frenchspeakers name it "thé". I mean it's not because the majority of people call it with a wrong name that it's correct to say it! 78.129.53.6 (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename Page 

message: What is people's opinion if we create an infusion category and maybe an extract category. I hate calling tisane tea :) --Kupirijo 14:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for it, but you have to changing the "herbal tea" category name into just "tisane" and making this page its main article. Sjschen 02:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New infusion category 

message: An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is an herbal infusion made from anything other than the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis).
change to-->
An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is a infusion made from anything other than the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis).
The reason why this "herbal" would be deleted is because then the same line can be used with the coffee, tea, ginger ale, ... article and would show their similarities better.
KVDP (talk) 13:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First line rewrite 

message: In the article on stevia, at least 3 articles cited debunk the lack of carcinogen properties of the plant.  Furthermore one study shows how the original paper on the carcinogen properties where due to flawed experimenting.  In that context I believe it's unwarranted to keep the phrase "Be advised: Stevia may be carcinogenic." in an article about herbal tea. 24.200.41.142 (talk) 13:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stevia health concerns ? 

message: A number of lines in this article refer to the 'therapeutic benefits' or effects of tisanes. I propose that this is altered as there is no therapeutic application for tisanes. While there may be perceived benefits I am not aware of any consensus regarding the actual effects, or mode of action, of tisane consumption to produce effects such as "stimulant, relaxant or sedative properties". While there may be specific examples which have been associated with these properties, I think it is misleading to state that tisane consumption has a therapeutic benefit, given that this specifically implies a defined mode of action with clinical outcomes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.117.137.71 (talk) 09:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the problem that the article talks about tisanes collectively? There's no "consensus regarding the actual effects, or mode of action, of tisane consumption" because tisanes are produced from a large number of plants with different effects and modes of actions. The stimulant properties and mode of action for mate de coca have been extensively studied and are very well understood. Purported benefits of some of the other plants certainly are less well studied, but the article is making these broad claims because it deals with a broad class of plants. The language in the article uses caveats and disclaimers and seems pretty good to me (although there is potential for improvement). I think it's pretty clear to readers that "stimulant, relaxant or sedative properties" refers to properties of different plants used in tisanes (it's pretty unlikely for one tisane to be both stimulant and sedative). Removing all mention of claimed therapeutic applications seems like an over-reach of WP:RSMED.Plantdrew (talk) 16:39, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual benefits of tisane? 

message: The sentence: "Seeds and roots can also be boiled on a stove that does not use LPG." ... what's that about? --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Composition section concern

message: I'm an herbalist, and while I've heard many herbalists warn against chamomile's use in people who are allergic to ragweed, I have yet to see a single peer-reviewed source confirming that anaphalaxis has ever occurred as a result of someone with hay fever ingesting chamomile tea. I'm deathly allergic to ragweed-- I've actually had anaphalactic shock just from pollen exposure-- yet I've never had an allergic reaction to chamomile whatsoever.
Chamomile is GRAS (generally recognized as safe) by the FDA, even for infants. Considering that there is no source to back the alarmist warning against chamomile tea, I think it would be appropriate to remove it. If someone finds a peer-reviewed case report of this problem, they're welcome to re-add the warning. RabbitGrrrl (talk) 20:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chamomile

message: I've made a suggestion/comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soft Drinks/Coffee and Tea task force#Herbal tea template about a potential navbox/grouping. Just fyi, might spark some thoughts. -- Quiddity (talk) 00:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A herbal tea navbox template 

message: "Rooibos" is not the same as "red tea".  The literal translation of "rooibos" is "red bush".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Virasana1234 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rooibos 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: Page moved back. Discussion on this page is needed before any further renaming takes place. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Johnny's extra edit to the redirect page insulates it from being name-changed by a non-administrator (I did try). --Tom Hulse (talk) 01:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
*A related question. I noticed that in addition to the name change the first sentence was changed from An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is a herbal or plant infusion and usually not made from the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis). to Tisane (UK /tɪˈzæn/, US /tɪˈzɑːn/), or "herbal tea", is a catch-all term for any non-caffeinated beverage made from the infusion or decoction of herbs, spices, or other plant material. Should that be changed back as well or should it stay?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.171.10 (talk) 00:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

text: The "non caffeinated" definition is certainly not reflected to by either of the dictionary sources cited in the lede.  While most tisanes are non-caffeinated, I believe most people would consider mate and kuding to be tisanes/herbal teas (also kuding is derived from two species, and I'm pretty sure that one of them (Ligustrum robustum) does not contain caffeine).Plantdrew (talk) 16:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Move 

message: The comment about cannabis is ad hoc and has little to do with Herbal Teas. It should be reasonably connected with an infusion, or more likely, eliminated as extranious.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.150.177 (talk) 02:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pregnancy 

message: I reverted this edit as the claims I looked at (valerian, chamomile), are cited on those article pages. The claims need  tags so that they can be referenced here as well, and those that don't have can then be removed. Greenman (talk) 08:18, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, in the meantime another user has removed a whole bunch of the statements, so I'll revert back to a clean version and we can start from there (and I'll restore your thyme cite after the revert). Greenman (talk) 18:37, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health claims edit 

message: This article has none. The short paragraph is the history of the "not-herbal" tea. It's like giving orange cultivation as the history of apples.
Several people have asked for this, like when and how did people start drinking hot water with leaves in it. As it is, the so-called history needs to be removed as perfectly irrelevant.
141.239.177.153 (talk) 14:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The topic raises various points: 1) does the article adequately define the components of an "herbal tea"?, i.e., use of dried leaves from common tea plants (regular tea) vs. flower petals or components (bark, roots, twigs, leaves, fruits, flowers) of rarer plants; 2) does "herbal tea" or tisane by infusion to prepare tea represent a supposed health effect over history? For an encyclopedia, any suggestion of an effect on human health needs a rigorous WP:MEDRS review to support it - there are no such sources for herbal teas in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, i.e., we should not be basing a discussion of history on the quackery of traditional medicine uses of teas in history; 3) for actual WP:RS sources on herbal tea history, it is a challenge to find good reviews. This one on South African tea plants (see Figs. 1-2) seems suitable. It organizes herbal teas according to their intent by the consumer for aroma/flavor, bitterness, essential oils, stimulant or sedative effects, or use as a traditional medicine. Zefr (talk) 15:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of herbal teas 

message: Hello, 
The third sentence of this article sounds like non-sequitur to me. Indeed, the subject is not herbs nor their general use, rather teas and/or tisanes as they are generated from herbs. Thus, I might propose the following amendment to the text (with the appropriate citation, of course):
"Many herbal teas/tisanes are used in herbal medicine." 
or: 
"Many herbs used in teas/tisanes are also used in herbal medicine."
Thank you for considering my proposed amendments. 
Kind regards. 2601:240:C402:9EB0:C51C:262A:48A8:759C (talk) 04:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Plantdrew (talk) 17:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Potential non-sequitur and resolution 

message: Looking at the top photo in the article, I was thinking that this isn't the greatest choice for illustrating herbal tea, since the caption states that it is a blend that contains green tea. However, having looked at the Commons file information for the photo, I note that there's no evidence there that the caption (including the link) accurately describes the beverage in the photo. (The photo is from 2011 and the caption was added in 2021). Is there something I'm missing? If I'm right that the caption is only speculation, we should remove it and replace it with a description based on the Commons file information for the photo. - Montréalais (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo choice