Talk:2006 Nicaraguan general election

message: Any one thinks it should be included?
http://www.laprensa.com.ni/archivo/2006/septiembre/29/noticias/politica/146806.shtml
Brusegadi 05:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would support inclusion. It is certainly an interesting article. My spanish isn't great, but good enough to get the point. Are there any other published interpretations of the survey? I did some simple searching, but could not find any. Srice13 20:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll Sept

message: That section was very subjective.  I believe CNN did not call it a debate, I believe they called it a forum (foro Presidencial...)  I think that the event was aimed at the international viewer so the questions asked could not have possibly being very specific.  I have not been to Nicaragua in a couple of months, and I felt that the forum gave me a chance to get to know the candidates better.  So, I disagree with you in many respects.  Therefore, since you did not provide any credible references to corroborate your points, the section is at best subjective.  It could be included, but it would require much talk in the talk page and the participation of other editors.  Brusegadi 06:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that cse.gob.ni will have some preliminary reports on the morning of Nov.6, otherwise you can check the updates on laprensa.com.ni or elnuevodiario.com.ni --Magicartpro 06:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: El Nuevo Diario is going to publish the official results by the CSE on Nov.5 here. --Magicartpro 22:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Debate entry

message: If it's OK I will include this; http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2006/10/18/nacionales/31627 --Magicartpro 18:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be the latest poll.  I do not have a problem with it.  I have not heard of the makers of the poll being biased, so I currently think its fine.  The catch is that for the sake of consistency you will have to include that poll in every relevant page, that is Eduardo Montealegre, Jose Rizo etc...  I also know that some prefer not to have sources in Spanish.  I have no problem, but just in case there is a majority that does have a problem I suggest you try to find an english source that uses the poll.  Brusegadi 21:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is another link tot he poll.  English.  http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/10/18/112630.shtml?s=os 
Brusegadi 22:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the link! BTW, it would be nice to have some photos in this article. --Magicartpro 23:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Yet another poll;  - this time by CID-Gallup. If we compare it to the UCA-poll, Ortega is down 5 points (32.5% vs. 37.5%), but still in first place, Rizo and Montealegre switch places with similar percentages for the second (21.1% vs. 20.1%) and third (16.8% vs. 17.3%) place. Jarquín polls in fourth place with 1% difference (11.8% vs. 12.9%) --Magicartpro 22:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brusegadi: I agree with you, we should mention the question about the polls in the past elections. I want to include also something about Trivelli. What do you think? --Magicartpro 22:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I will make sure the changes are reflected on the relevant articles.  It is not right if one article says one thing and another article says another.  We already have something on Trivelli on the Eduardo Montealegre article.  Also, La prensa released a note yesterday that stated that the UCA poll was also very controversial in the last election but it turned out to be mistaken.  Laters,  Brusegadi 03:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: A few articles by Envío about the polls in past elections; 1990, 1996 and 2001. --Magicartpro 00:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly support the inclusion of additional information about the polls in the Nicaraguan elections, as it may be confusing for an outsider if they compare the past pre-electoral polls and the official results of these elections. --Magicartpro 00:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New poll 

message: We can remove this UCA po.... sorry, eh... voting simulation, if you guys agree. Law students are very dangerous people. I've heard they're communists. --Magicartpro 00:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that merely reaching an agreement amongst ourselves is not enough to remove something like that.  I honeslty do not like Ortega, but I try very hard to be objective in my contributions to wikipedia and I really think that what I think of the UCA law students or the Ortega clan should not matter.  I had no problem removing the Gamboa poll because it was obviously coming from Aleman's quinta.  Yet, with the UCA there is nothing so obvious.  The most we can say is that  on the last presidential election they were way off in their predictions.  If someone can provide a valid source to discredit the UCA poll that would be a different story... Brusegadi 04:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an inconsistency between the header of the UCA polls.  The one of the president gives the identety of co-sponors and the other one does not.  Both should have it.Brusegadi 04:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Everybody are entitled to have their own political opinions. But it's ridiculous to change UCA Poll to UCA Law Students Poll or change Poll to Voting Simulation in an attempt to discredit those sources or make them look insignificant compared to the others just because the editor is anti-Ortega or pro-Rizo, or whatever. Everybody are entitled to have their own political opinions, but it must not be reflected on the article. BTW, I'm Sandinista and anti-Ortega, and you will never see me posting political propaganda on wikipedia. There are plenty of places on the web to discuss politics. --Magicartpro 09:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you here.  I feel like the wording has been changed too much.  In essence, a voting simulation is a poll.  Thus, its better to just say poll.  Also, it was presented as a poll from UCA, so it means that the institution is claiming it as its own.  To say "Law Students" gives the impression that it is only a small group.  Why dont we just say Maria and Pedro's voting simulation while we are at it.  I think the word poll should be restored and simply discuss the simulation thing on the part on methodology.  Brusegadi 00:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading the comments here I can't help but agree. If the poll is being presented as being conducted by the UCA, it doesn't really matter who particularly conducted it within the UCA. So I've been bold and changed it. BTW, Magic I assume from your second post you were being sarcastic in your first post? Nil Einne 19:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. --Magicartpro 00:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I have spoken to some friends who seem to trust it.  The problem is that any skepticism cannot be backed with data.  Thats why I proposed mentioning that in the past it was off.  Brusegadi 00:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I know very little about the polls and the issues but it seems to me if the poll was conducted for the university and the university is presenting the poll as their poll, then we have no reason to doubt the poll without strong evidence. Universities have reputations too and I think it's a bit unfair to assume students are untrustyworthy. Many students have a strong sense of ethics and when selected for and asked to do something of a serious nature, they will do their utmost to do it properly. 'Professional pollsters' can be untrustworthy too. Remember that in the end the people are humans. Indeed in some regards it's probably easier to manipulate professional pollsters because they tend to be a known force and they're also obviously financially motivated. Besides, it's not as if the results were extremely unusual Nil Einne 11:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UCA Law Students? 

message: Am I right that abortion is illegal but there is no actual penality for getting or carrying out an therapeutic abortions? This is what the article suggests to me Nil Einne 19:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Therapeutic abortion is illegal. --Magicartpro 01:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I get that. But are the no actual penalities for carrying our or getting a therapeutic abortion even though it is illegal? Nil Einne 11:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abortion 

message: Hey,
http://www.laprensa.com.ni/archivo/2006/noviembre/01/noticias/ultimahora/153554.shtml
George Soros ordered a poll by a company in the US that is associated with the Democratic party.  It pretty much gives less advantage to Ortega.  We should include it when it is made public. Brusegadi 19:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is another piece of news out that says that this never happened.  This is getting crazy, I'll wait for the dust to settle.  Brusegadi 00:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the edits that include this poll because, as stated, there is still controversy.  Also, since the poll is not yet officially pubished, the percentages for 2 candidates (Rizo and Pastora) are unknown (La Prensa probably omitted them on purpose...) and we cannot place a poll whose probability space is not 100%.  Lets wait until they are published.  Sorry, I know making those tables takes time, but we have a duty to wikipedia.  Take care,   Brusegadi 05:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree --Magicartpro 16:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Soros (NEW POLL)

message: No, Ortega just like any politician is not perfect.  The only information given about him in his small section however is negative; this is unfair unbalanced unaccurate etc.
:I don't think the Ortega section is inaccurate. --Magicartpro 19:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description Ortega 

message: anybody got informations on the results of the parlamentary election i.e. the seats in the new parlament?
:We have to wait for the official results by the CSE, but preliminary data shows that the FSLN will have 37 seats, ALN 27, PLC 22 and MRS 6. --Magicartpro 17:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  parlament results 

message: I will delete all pre-election polls from the candidates' pages and add the results of the elections.  Yet, we should leave the pre-election polls results here for historical reference.  We should also add the election results here.  Brusegadi 17:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Polls

message: Apparantly he won only because the centre-right parties couldn't find a common candidate. Whence such feuding (a possible left-wing victory was less important to those guys, than their own differences?)Constanz - Talk 19:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ortega won, gaining less than 50%

message: I deleted the sexual abuse accusations against Daniel Ortega. These are serious acusations which appear to have been dealt with some time ago. They are more appropriately discussed in his full biography where they can be (and are) discussed more fully.
To add them here I think we would need to show these accusations were a significant issue in the campaign and the reference (as it was before I deleted it) didn't alledge this.Filceolaire 12:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted the sexual abuse acusations. 

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