Talk:Stuyvesant High School

message: There is a lot of positive info on Stuy on the page, however the school has its downsides too. To name a few:
Stress
Cheating
Rumored opposition to current principal Teitel
Criticism of Teachers
Oversized classes (35 I think)
Just to name a few. I think there should be some criticism of stuy added on there.JDH82793 (talk) 03:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: These are claims that can be made of any school, are they not?  Alexguitar594 (talk) 03:35, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm not saying it can't be done though.  If you find WP:RS with such information about Stuyvesant, it could be a worthy contribution to this article Alexguitar594 (talk) 21:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further criticism 

message: I think I'll get started on an arson section. I'll probably start research tomorrow. Anyone have any suggestions?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myachimantis (talk • contribs) 06:18, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup: Keep it encyclopedic.  When you're writing, ask yourself whether someone who was never associated with the school would find it to be valuable information five years from now.  If you can't say "Yes,", it's probably too marginal to be in the article.  Personally, I'm not convinced the topic makes the grade, but give it a shot if you want to.  RossPatterson (talk) 03:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arson 

message: I'm not sure what Stuy's mascot is, but calling a historical figure (Peter Stuyvesant) the school's mascot is rather comical. Maybe the field just doesn't belong in the infobox. 
Any ideas? Level Crossing (talk) 02:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I agree.  In my day (1970s), he was referred to as "Pegleg Pete", the football team was called the Peglegs, and there was a huge portrait of him on the main staircase to the second floor of the 15th St. building.  As we learned when that building was researched for landmark status, the school isn't named for Peter Stuyvesant (but rather "as being reminiscent of the locality"), so he isn't the school's patron.  "Mascot" actually sounds about right to me.  RossPatterson (talk) 23:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuy Mascot? 

message: I note that Hunter College HS has a problem of lack of student diversity. (While students do expensive prep classes to get in.) Does SHS have the same problem? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 09:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there published sources which discuss either aspect? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Student Diversity?

message: I see several problems with this article: there are several [citation needed] tags, several very short paragraphs; dubious lists ("Other publications" and "summary of floors"); unsourced segments ("SING!"); and URLs within the article text ("In popular culture"). All of this should be addressed if the article is to stay FA; otherwise, I will send it to FAR. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There are some phrases that might also be construed as promotional. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

text: That was vandalism which has been fixed. Chris857 (talk) 16:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: This article has now been listed at Featured Article Review.  Concerns expressed by  User:TenPoundHammer include:
* Very many portions of the article are unsourced.
* The article's structure is very sloppy, with loads of very short paragraphs and standalone sentences. A major copy edit is needed. (For instance, nearly every sentence in "History" begins with "In [year]…".)
* Dubious lists ("Other publications" and "summary of floors") that are also unsourced.
* Entirely unsourced segments ("SING!").
* "In popular culture" is a mess of trivia.
* Another editor also raised concern that some of the text seems promotional. I tagged at least one section ("strength in areas such as math and science").
* I also see a very high number of primary sources.
Editors are invited to  address the issues in order to prevent this article from  being delisted from  FA.
--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:03, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article Review 

message: I added (only subsequently to find it deleted) the fact that Stuy was the nation's top high school for some 70 years—that is, until magnet schools proliferated and the demographics of New York City went straight into the toilet and Stuy (to attend which one must live in NYC) could no longer compete with schools that draw from upper-middle-class Jewish/Chinese/Indian neighborhoods.  I resent it bitterly when folks who consider themselves "editors" freewheelingly delete such critically important material because they find it inconvenient from the political correctness stance.  It's equally unfortunate that there are people in this world who don't realize that "All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others."  Tsk, tsk.  These same people think nothing of crossing the street when they don't like "the looks" of the crowd approaching them, despite the obvious fact that "the looks" are clearly racially motivated. Alack, these people will grow up one day.
73.49.1.133 (talk) 23:27, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOTFORUM. Find sources and write neutrally. It's not that hard. Grayfell (talk) 23:31, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Ranking

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message: Whilst copy editing and doing other work on the article, I added the templates  and . They were promptly removed by  with the edit summary "removed tags that are obviously not actionable". Oddly, the same editor immediately proceeded expand the size of the lead by at least 50% with the edit summary "remove more tags per WP:CITELEAD; also remove unsourced trivia". That does not, however, address the need for copy editing – something which is just as "actionable" as increasing the content in the lead. While I have done some work on it, it is clear that there is more to be done. Accordingly, I have restored . 142.161.81.20 (talk) 03:32, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine with me. I assumed that it had already been copyedited. But if you are going to add , at least explain what needs to be copyedited so someone can make the changes accordingly. It is a community practice to do so, though it is not a policy. Leaving it in with no explanation is not actionable because it is unclear what needs to be copyedited. epicgenius (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Pinging editors who were involved with the FAC process and/or significant article contributors who have been active on Wikipedia recently. There is also a problem with sourcing issues, which I am trying to fix, but this request for copyediting is going to take some time. epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know that it would have been worthwhile to specify every detail that required copy editing as issues abounded throughout the article, which I know you can see from the copy-editing work that both you and I have done throughout the article in the past day. (With all due respect, even were you unaware of the particular issues requiring copy editing, that does not make the tag "obviously not actionable". And I still fail to see how  was "obviously not actionable", considering you immediately took action.) As  was removed without explanation, I have restored it as "this request for copyediting is going to take some time." 142.161.81.20 (talk) 22:33, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: So you should just list the main things that need to be copyedited. I have gone through the article and done a first round of edits already. If there's a specific phrase or phrases you have problems with, you can just edit it. There is one thing we agree on, though: there are a lot of problems in the article. I just deleted a lot of irrelevant info. epicgenius (talk) 23:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

text:  Tagging a 6000 word article with  isn't actionable.  Neither, for that matter, is asserting that the article is full of problems.  This article was in essentially the same state before this round of copy editting as when it successfully passed a Featured Article Review in late 2012.  There have been a variety of section movements and small improvements, but it is basically the same text.  I agree that it could be improved - most articles can be.  But I would agree with epicgenius that it isn't obvious what any of us might think is bad in those 6000 words.  Actionable criticism is a good thing.  The two FARs that this article went through and the three FA nominations all produced good criticism and improved the article.  RossPatterson (talk) 16:47, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy editing 

message: As per NotTheFakeJTP's suggestion to either merge  or , I am posting this here to gain opinions about this matter. I swapped the relevant info in the meantime. epicgenius (talk) 22:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I would merge Stuyvesant High School#School building into Stuyvesant High School#New building proposal - the "new" building is now 25 years old.  The Stuyvesant High School#History section could use some modest restructuring after that, but I don't think it's a creative writing project so much as a small amount of heading and text movement.  I would be willing to undertake both some time in January.  RossPatterson (talk) 16:56, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  That works for me. I don't know how best to merge these sections, especially since "Mnemonics" and "Transportation" fit best in a dedicated subsection about the facility itself. epicgenius (talk) 18:49, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. RossPatterson (talk) 16:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. epicgenius (talk) 18:51, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to merge sections 

message: I have removed the paragraph about the coronavirus closure. As this is a featured article, extra care needs to be taken when providing sources.
* The first source is the op-ed itself, which is a primary source and needs a reliable secondary or tertiary source to back it up, per our No original research policy.
* The second source, that the schools were closed, does not mention the op-ed at all. There are sources that mention the op-ed and the closure, but they do not say that the op-ed is the reason for the closure. However, this is what the paragraph was implying. 
* In any case, we generally do not mention temporary closures of a few weeks or months, similar to how we treat summertime school closures. epicgenius (talk) 14:40, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent removal about coronavirus 

message: I took a quick look at this article to check whether it's up to standard under WP:URFA/2020. Some things I spot:
*A sentence or two about the pandemic is probably warranted in the history section.
*The racial demographics are distinct enough compared to the school's region that they probably warrant a mention in the lede.
*The coverage of The Voice seems undue, given that it seems the less significant publication compared to The Spectator. Not sure we need so much about its legal case in the '70s.
*The "In the media" section is a single sentence and should probably be merged into the reputation section or somewhere else.
*There's no administration/governance section, which is a comprehensiveness issue. I'd like to see information on things like the school's annual budget.
Hopefully these issues can be resolved to avoid an FAR. Best,  talk 02:10, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  2023 review 

message: There's no way "rizzler" is supposed to be there but I don't know enough about this school to know if that profession should be changed or if the person should be removed from the article. I just searched "rizzler" in Wikipedia and this article came up. Can someone who knows more about this article change that? PC36 þ (talk) 14:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, my quote frame didn't work. What I was trying to quote was this: "Notable alumni include former United States Attorney General Eric Holder, physicists Brian Greene and Lisa Randall, economist Thomas Sowell, mathematician Paul Cohen, rizzler Janka Wilczysnki..." PC36 þ (talk) 14:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "rizzler" 

message: For some bizarre reason, most of Manhattan's neighborhoods in the map showing Stuy's location are given in Czech or a similar language. Is this vandalism, or is it just some weird bug that's cropped up? Scrawlspacer (talk) 10:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map