Talk:Comparison of karate styles

message: Should weapons be listed in this table?  Karate, by definition, does not use weapons.  Many individual schools may also practice some form of weapons in addition to their main style of karate, but that does not mean the weapons are part of the karate style.  --Scott Alter 19:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like this chart. Can we make a similar chart to compare weapon styles on another page? Tkjazzer 22:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should remove the weapons column from here, and either add them to a new table in Okinawan kobudo or a new article Comparison of kobudo styles.  --Scott Alter 23:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the new article idea: Comparison of kubudo styles Tkjazzer 21:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: As per my understanding, it is mainly the Okinawan styles that don't use weapons, however there are still some Okinawan and non-Okinawan styles that do (and Im not just talking about different branches or schools of that style). Thus, why not remove the column then and add any weapons info to the Notes column? Shanada 06:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I believe is that the Japanese karate styles may integrate weapons into their systems, while the Okinawan karate styles practice weapons, but as a supplement to karate.  In my school (Okinawan - Shorin-ryu), we do practice weapons, but it is optional.  It is totally separate from the karate training, with a different history/lineage.  Within Okinawan weapons, I do not know if there are established systems of training, or simply kobudo.  I think the most appropriate way to address this is to remove the kobudo column, and add a link in the opening paragraph to Comparison of kobudo styles saying "Some karate schools practice weapons as part of their curriculum, while others offer supplemental weapons training.  See Comparison of kobudo styles for these systems."  If I get bored tonight, I may start this page.  --Scott Alter 21:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, because some Japanese martial arts use kobudo (and will be listed in Comparison of kobudo styles), I would like to rename Okinawan kobudo to Kobudo.  See Talk:Okinawan kobudo#Rename to Kobudo to get involved in the discussion.  --Scott Alter 21:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons 

message: Is the remarks column needed?  Currently, it has "vertical fist" for Isshin-ryu and "Origins obscure" for Shorin-ryu and Shito-ryu.  The origins of Shorin-ryu and Shito-ryu are not really obscure.  (Shito-ryu can be traced back to Shorin-ryu, and Shorin-ryu can be traced back 4 generations to Kusanku and Shaolin monks).  Use of a vertical fist is not unique to Isshin-ryu.  I think we should just remove this column.  If there is some other item to be used to compare styles, it should be added as a column, and not in "remarks".  --Scott Alter 00:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remarks 

message: Template:Shorin-ryu styles
Template:Karate schools
:I just added Template:Karate schools.  Template:Shorin-ryu styles doesn't belong here, but maybe on a "Comparison of Shorin-ryu branches" - but that will be more difficult to create.  User:Tkjazzer - in the future, just add things if you think they should belong.  Be bold.  --Scott Alter 00:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this is the way forward (boom boom); a good group-effort (open) task would be to fill the rest of the table with the rest of the styles in the Template, yes?... _> MonstaPro:Talk:Contrib. 11:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  should we put a navigation template on the article page? 

message: What is interesting is to search YouTube for the same kata and you'll find it done by different styles.  It is an interesting wa to compare styles.  I just more branches of Shorin-Ryu were on YouTube doing kata, especially Shorin-ryu shido-kan.  I'm really shocked at the differences with the _____ Ryu styles.  Anyway, video would be really useful.  Please encourage people in the dojos to record themselves doing kata and put them on youtube. Cheers. Tkjazzer 21:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats a rather good idea, however the problem is choosing the best person to do it. I'm aware of the video footage of the JKF versions of the shitei kata, are there other "official" video tapes, eg by the headquarters in Japan? Shanada 06:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  usually masters are very humble and don't release their video footage to the public. Tkjazzer (talk) 00:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  You Tube Kata differences 

message: There are two different (and somewhat contradictory) entries in this table for shito-ryu. 24.58.33.52 (talk) 00:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shito-ryu 

message: Why are shotokan katas said to be 26 in the table? Most sources state that they are 27. --Orri Tómasson (talk) 21:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Find a good reference that lists 27 kata and determine which one is missing. Add the missing kata to the table. Welcome to Wiki! jmcw (talk) 13:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Katas 

message: Describing Shotokan as having "Mostly hard techniques" is very inaccurate, as Shotokan contains a very even mix of hard & soft techniques.
To quote the founder of Shotokan: “Karate may be said to be hard technique when compared to the soft technique of ju-jutsu, but softness includes hardness and hardness includes softness. In other words softness is necessary to become hard, and hardness is necessary to become soft, and to begin with both softness and hardness are one.”121.72.245.138 (talk) 07:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shotokan "Mostly hard techniques" 

message: This article is weakly referenced but does contain a useful intoduction on Karate styles. It goes into too much detail in the table. I would suggest a 'Styles' section to be added to Karate with a simplified version of this table with a source reference column added for verification. Mountaincirque 11:01, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Karate is long enough as it is, and the section there on styles contains enough detail for that level of article. This is an appropriate split off per WP:SUMMARY, so I oppose a merge, but wouldn't mid doing some more coordination. Especially trimming some of the non-notable self-promoted styles which consists of like one teacher and a single club somewhere. That's the sort of da up the karate articles can use (And the. We can trim them out of the chart here and at karate kata, where they crowd the charts with non-notabld entries.) oknazevad (talk) 17:00, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there , there isn't a section on styles in Karate, just a rambling section on history which mentions an incomplete sub-section of styles across many paragraphs, which is why I proposed this merger. Differences between styles are a key topic of interest in karate so I feel that there should be at least a paragraph section explaining the key styles and some basic differences with a link through to the comparisons page. Happy to not do a full merge if that is preferable for the big picture. Mountaincirque 11:21, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to expand it. I agree that it's an important area that need better coverage here. I just think a full merge of the separate article would be too large and detailed for an overview article like this, overwhelming it. A summary here and a more detailed treatment there cuts the idea of WP:SUMMARY pretty well, I think, so I oppose a merge, but don't disagree with improving the summary of that article here. oknazevad (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Karate]] 

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