Talk:Menarche

message: This article needs one or more references to cover the content, added the tag. --FloNight 04:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: We need to think about the best way to present information about % of body fat. I changed the word normal to regular. 
I'm going to read further on this topic. No doubt % of body fat modifies menarche and menopause. Is it the controlling factor? The introduction reads that way to me now. FloNight talk 12:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: % body fat

message: I removed the following because it is not quite correct or helpful. Menarche is a single event of puberty-- the first menstrual bleeding. The bleeding is described in the paragraph immediately above. We can mention that, like all menses, it may be accompanied by cramping, but this article does not need a section entitled "signs of". Strictly speaking, other secondary sexual development is not a sign of menarche, but rather an independent part of puberty. alteripse 16:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: removal of: Signs of Menarche

message: I propose removing this article from :Category:Human reproduction.  I have proposed narrowing the scope of that category at Category talk:Human reproduction.  Please comment on the category talk page. Lyrl    Talk     C   15:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Human reproduction 

message: what could a girl's relationship with her father possibly have to do with menarche? ∆ Algonquin 10:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We had another contributor insert this repeatedly, so I investigated it. Results are currently at  but the page is mainly just a literature synopsis and I dont promise to maintain it. Several theoretical explanations are offered. alteripse 11:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Kanazawa, Satoshi.  2001.  “Why Father Absence Might Precipitate Early Menarche:  The Role of Polygyny.”  Evolution and Human Behavior.  22:  329-334. - haven't read it though; the title does not say it "does", so it may be highly speculative, maybe not only the "why", but also the "what" supposedly happens. --Extremophile (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Way too vague. You just read what article, saw what reasons? alteripse (talk) 02:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father ralationship 

message: Doesn't the male version of this event, sometimes called the semenarche, deserve an article? 2007 Aug 15
:See spermarche.  It's not exactly an analogous idea.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semenarche 

message: Can we have the world average, rather than that of the US or iceland? Faro0485 (talk) 00:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Average 

message: Hello, my name is Shelby and I currently working on a Wikipedia project for a class through my University. The course aims to improve knowledge on youth globally. The subject of youth is far reaching and the focus could be individuals ranging from early childhood, to those of the emerging adulthood phenomena some of whom can be in their early thirties. I think that one of the most important aspects of youth is a rites of passage practice, as it will signify to the youth and their community a change in status. Menarche is such a passage, as globally it had been the most predominant way to proclaim a young girl as a young woman. I am glad to see that this has already been considered in this article and a culture section has already been included. However I would like to make some changes to it. I would like to start with changing the layout and making it into a paragraph structure, rather than one of lists. I also have found resources containing information, that I think the section will benefit from. My early remodeling of the format can be seen in my sandbox. It is in the very early stages and little to none new information has been added, but feedback is most welcome. Please let me know what you think about this proposal.
Shelby.Hill-Killerlain (talk) 13:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the actual link to your sandbox. Your planned changes to the article are fine. And Wikipedia prefers prose over bullet-point format, so your wanting to change the text away from bullet-point format is a definite plus. Looking at your sandbox, however, I notice that you do some inappropriate capitalizing. The words menarche and menstruation, for example, should only be capitalized if they are used as the first word of a sentence or if they are a part of an official title. And per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Capital letters, you need to make sure that headings you add are not inappropriately capitalized. For example, for the "Celebratory Ceremonies" heading, currently seen in your sandbox, the "Ceremonies" part should be in lowercase. Additionally, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings, though you have not yet formatted anything that contrasts this guideline, "Headings should not refer redundantly to the subject of the article, or to higher-level headings, unless doing so is shorter or clearer. ( is preferable to  when his refers to the subject of the article; headings can be assumed to be about the subject unless otherwise indicated.)" I also see headings for very short text in your sandbox, though it may be that you simply have not gotten around to filling those sections out. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Paragraphs states, "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text; by the same token, paragraphs that exceed a certain length become hard to read. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading." I'm glad that you are using WP:REFPUNCT (punctuation before, not after, references); a lot of the students who come here to expand or create an article for a class assignment don't use WP:REFPUNCT. The only other advice I have to give to you at this time is to avoid WP:WHITE SPACES (one or more extra white gaps between a section). Flyer22 (talk) 15:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that you finally got around to expanding the section; I tweaked it. Flyer22 (talk) 03:58, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Culture and Rights of Passage Section

message: *The worldwide average age of menarche is very difficult to estimate accurately, and it varies significantly by geographical region, race, ethnicity and other characteristics. Various estimates have placed it at 13. Some estimates suggest that the median age of menarche worldwide is 14, and that there is a later age of onset in Asian populations compared to the West. The average age of menarche is about 12.5 years in the United States, 12.72 in Canada, 12.9 in the UK and 13.06 ± 0.10 years in Iceland. A study on girls in Istanbul, Turkey, found the median age at menarche to be 12.74 years.
A particular point of interest of mine when I discovered this article was the "later age of onset" mentioned for Asian populations. However, following mention of such, I was somewhat shocked to find the subject almost entirely dropped. Specifically, I would have very much liked to see examples from the Far East, such as Japan, China, and the Russian Far East. I think this would be very beneficial to the article. 98.67.171.10 (talk) 21:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estimations for Asian Populations 

message: If anyone who works on this article would care to take the time to look over the corresponding article Menopause, that would be really great -- that article gets a major amount of traffic from the reading public, but usually sees hardly any editors helping to improve it. Many thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Menopause]] 

message: I have no strong feeling over what image to include...maybe a histogram of age at which it occurs, or even if there is an article-series navbox about human development that has an icon/logo? Tools like WP:POPUPS use "the first image in the article" in their thumbnail representing the article, and the current one is of pink blobs with dark spots. Not a bad image, but to someone who doesn't know that this is a rice dish celebrating the event, it looks like a crude representation of something related to menstruation. DMacks (talk) 22:34, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead-image request 

message: I just edited the Secular variation#Biological anthropology page to mention the secular trend that has been observed, in which menses starts earlier and earlier (younger and younger) as time goes on (roughly 4 months younger per decade), however am not sure if there's a good way to work that into this article. My initial thought was to add it somewhere around the second paragraph of the intro, "The average age of menarche has declined over the last century, but the magnitude of the decline and the factors responsible remain subjects of contention." but I can't find a way to add it without making things sound disjunct. If anyone can find a way to add that in somewhere on this page, please do. 
Bush6984 (talk) 22:57, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Secular variation#Biological anthropology | Secular Trend]] 

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message: I've removed the template:infobox medical condition and chosen  to replace it with template:infobox medical condition (new), but instead add the  sidebar. The article speaks little of either early or delayed puberty - and where it does has the relevant wikilinks. It seemed unfair to label a normal part of female development a medical 'condition' (cf. pubarche). Little pob (talk) 17:40, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: Goals: 
# Add information regarding the association of age at menarche and cardiovascular disease. 
# Early age at menarche is a risk factor for insulin resistance with a recent systematic review. 
UPDATE: After going doing more research on this topic, it may make sense to create a new section that focuses on the association of age at menarche and certain conditions (ie. insulin resistance and cardiovascular resistance).
Mquindoy (talk) 22:06, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I encourage you to expand your ambitions a bit. Health policy (talk) 04:49, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Mquindoy, I appreciate you using WP:MEDRS-compliant sourcing. Thanks for the systematic review additions. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:16, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foundations II Team 8b 

message: 1. Does the draft submission reflect a neutral point of view?
Yes, the edits are free of biased language and reflect a very neutral point of view. Each edit is clearly cited as well to display the neutral point of view.
2. Has the group achieved its overall goals for improvement? 
In general, the group did achieve its goals. Some improvements can be made in reference to their edit on the association of age at menarche and cardiovascular disease. It was helpful that they cited the association but did not go into further detail. 
3. Are the points included verifiable with cited secondary sources that are freely available? If not, specify… 
Yes, all new edits have citations from secondary sources such as systematic reviews or meta-analyses.
Terry.vo (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Group 8a Peer Review, Terry 

message: Do the group’s edits substantially improve the article as described in the Wikipedia peer review “Guiding framework”?
Yes, the group's edits improve the article. They have fixed inaccurate information and added important information with appropriate sources.
2.Has the group achieved its overall goals for improvement?
Yes, the group addressed all of their goals.
3. Are the edits formatted consistent with Wikipedia’s manual of style? If not, specify…
Yes, the formatting of the edits are consistent with Wikipedia's manual of style.
Zaccarlson (talk) 16:54, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foundations II Group 8a Peer Review, Zachary 

message: 1. Do the group’s edits substantially improve the article as described in the Wikipedia peer review “Guiding framework”? 
Yes, the edit on menarche and insulin resistance is an important edit that offers improved explanation of risk factors in chronic illness.
2. Has the group achieved its overall goals for improvement? 
Yes, they achieved their goals successfully.
3. Does the draft submission reflect a neutral point of view? If not, specify…
Yes, the tone is neutral and offers non-biased information from a systematic review.
Nzargham (talk) 17:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foundations II Group 8a Peer Review 

message: The group added in an important reference for a piece of information linking menarche to insulin resistance. They also looked into studies referencing the median age for menarche. Overall, the goals were met, although it'd be nice to see more on the association between menarche and CVD. Relevant secondary sources were listed.
Jiangyad (talk) 17:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foundations II: 8A Peer Review