Talk:Hours of service

message: I'm not good at editing but I wanted to make the following points:
1. Something should be mentioned about the incredible court fights which happened after the rules were amended in 2003.  I remember a period of time when the 34 hour restart provision was vacated and then reinstated.
2. There are still ongoing court fights over the latest round of HOS regulations, with some of the most contentious being a limit on the number of 34 hour restarts, and a limit on when 34 hour restarts can be taken, and a requirement to take a 30 minute break within 8 hours of coming on duty.
3. With the August 2011 ruling that vacated the EOBR requirements, FMCSA completely removed all references to "Electronic On Board Recorder" from their regulations.  EOBR's which were already in use are actually regulated under the category of the older "AOBR" (Automatic On Board Recorder), with one of the main differences being no requirement to show the current log in a graphical form.  
4. There has been considerable comment from truck drivers (available on many, many driver forums on the web) complaining about property and passenger carrying motor carriers being treated differently.  Passenger carrying motor carriers have considerably more relaxed hours of service requirements as opposed to property carrying motor carriers
P38fln (talk) 14:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
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message: I think the image should be taken down. The sample size of the chart (12) is far too small to give Pearson's sample correlation coefficient (the R-value in the graphic) any significance or power for inference. This in turn can make the graphic a bit misleading to the reader. I read through the source of the graphic on fmcsa.dot.gov but found no specific sampling technique for this specific chart. Thoughts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.84.214 (talk) 01:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A note on the graphic in the article

message: I made some minor cleanup changes, and I have a few other suggestions.
* I would recommend moving the History section to the top of the page, as it provides a simple explanation of why these rules are important and how they've evolved over time.
* The log book page is important to the article, but should only be used once rather than twice. I would argue that it makes more sense within the article than if it's used as a header photo, but I leave that to you to decide.
* The Enforcement section needs sources. Not much else to say on that - it's well-written, and I don't doubt that the info is accurate (as I suspect it reflects your own experience), but it needs sources to back it up.
Good luck in the GA process - you're braver than I... Duncan1800 (talk) 22:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: couldn't resist some changes
Saltysailor (talk) 06:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: minor changes to exemptions

message: A recent study result shows that the first hour of driving is the the one with the highest rate of accidents! This was bassed on recent data colected by feds and I read it in a trucking periodical.  
Although no cauaul factors were assumed, in flys in the face of the basis for HOS.
Saltysailor (talk) 21:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this has been known for quite some time. If you read the article it says... "Reduced performance has also been observed in the first hour of work as an individual adjusts to the working environment." I remember my first trucking company pounding this fact into our heads in meetings that the first hour was just as dangerous as the 11th hour, because usually you've just woke up and are getting adjusted to driving again. You are correct but this is not new information and I don't see how that contradicts the basis for the HOS. The fact remains that the longer you drive the more fatigued you become. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 23:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the most dangerous  hour

message: Glad to see this is a front-page FA - very different type of topic than the usual fare.  Tempshill (talk) 00:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. In addition to being interesting, it is well presented and readable. —Mattisse (Talk) 16:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks guys. If you haven't already checked the article history, I basically wrote this whole article from scratch. I did a ton of research, and this is my first FA-class article. Yeah I know I don't "own" this article, but I'm glad everyone liked it! Its nice to know all your hard work is appreciated. If you liked this one, check out Federal Bridge Gross Weight Formula and Trucking industry in the United States. I'm working on bringing those up to FA standards, they don't need much more work. Anyways, thanks again. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 01:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congratulations 

message: Gpsman, I reverted your moving the definition of vehicles covered by the HOS to the introduction. I think this information is too detailed for the introduction and belongs in the main body. It is important, which is why I listed it first. It just doesn't belong in the intro. Secondly, I wasn't sure about a lot of the changes which just weren't productive. If you would like to discuss these changes just let me know, otherwise I think it was fine the way it was. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 19:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes reverted 

message: Excellent article!   I am a truck driver here in Canada and may try to write an article similar to this one highlighting the Canadian rules and the changes that occured June 1, 2007 to the federal HoS rules.
Once again, Well done! Nmac-YK (talk) 13:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I appreciate it. Good luck with your article. --ErgoSum•talk•trib 13:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kudos 

message: I tried to add a reference (http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/index.htm Hours of service-Retrieved; 2011-09-04), to the first sentence of the lead  behind "...Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA)...". I did this in the normal format and then as above but on a preview there were article layout changes in the Definition of terms (sleeper berth) section. I have to go to work so would someone check this out? Otr500 (talk) 12:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
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message: I updated the Rewriting the Hours of Service section to include 2018 updates. Otr500 (talk) 10:34, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018 updates 

message: I'm not sure that this older FA meets the current FA criteria.  There's uncited text, if "In 1999, two trucking company officials were sentenced to federal prison for violating hours of service regulations." has special significance it's not obvious and I'm concerned about WP:DUE WEIGHT for that, statistics such as "Surveys by OOIDA report 80% of drivers are not paid for waiting times while loading and unloading" are from dated sources, and there's a concerning lack of industry viewpoints about these standards.  A featured article review may be necessary here. Hog Farm  Talk 01:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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