Talk:Social Democratic and Labour Party

message: There is a strong school of thought that sees their position on the border as being rather more ambiguous than "A vote for the SDLP is a vote for a united Ireland" - some think the SDLP is first and foremost a party primarily representing Catholics, particularly amongst rural, church going and/or middle class voters, than a constitutional party pushing for changes in the border. And dare we mention the "Schoolteachers, Doctors and Lawyers Party" joke?  --  Timrollpickering  15:35 Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
:This seems too substantial to be a "stub" anymore. Of course, everything can always be edited and improved, and nothing is really "finished", but this has several paragraphs of substance, not just a small amount of the barest of facts, and merits "promotion" in my opinion.
Rlquall 15:41, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The party has changed a lot over the years - in particular going from Fitt and Devlin leaving it because it was first and foremost nationalist not socialist to talking about a "post nationalist" era to heavily playing up their nationalist credentials (arguably trying to out-green Sinn Fein). Even now it seems as though not all their leading figures are behind the current direction. Does anyone want to try to chart the course of their evolving position, especially on the border? Timrollpickering 13:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The SDLP's evolving position on a United Ireland

message: Please remember that most of us don't understand Northern Ireland politics -- I'm British and I don't.  Please assume that your readers are dumb and explain the basics...
Saying the SDLP is one of the two nationalist parties is all well and good, but:
What's the other one, then?  Pray do tell...  
I can *never* remember which side of the argument is 'nationalist', please don't just use a technical political term without explanation (particularly when the wikilink is irrelevent).  The wikilink isn't helpful; based on that article *both* sides are nationalist, it's just that they want to be part of different nations.
The NI 'nationalists' are the people who would prefer NI to be part of the UK nation rather than the ROI nation?  I think that's right...  But surely this article should tell me, a clueless reader, whether SDLP would rather NI be part of UK or ROI in the first para in no uncertain terms...
Roy Badami 01:09, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Roy you are correct in your assumptions: the unionists (who want Northern Ireland to remain in the United Kingdom) are indeed a nationalist party - in respect of the UK (I hesitate to use the term "British nationalists" because that would imply a link with the BNP). But the SDLP, Sinn Féin and the Workers' Party are also nationalists in respect of the Republic of Ireland. They could also be regarded as separatists. I could help clear this up for you if you feel that the article is still unclear in this regard. I appreciate this is an old comment, so I will leave you a message on your talk page about it. Cheers. --Mal 19:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your response.  It appears the wikilink was changed some time ago to point to Irish nationalism which is rather more helpful in this context than nationalism Roy Badami 22:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

text: If you read this discussion section you will see that an editor raised it as a problem in 2005, but in 2006 they left another comment to say that the situation was resolved due to an update of the wikilinks in the article. As the situation has been resolved for over 2 years there is little need for further comment. Road Wizard (talk) 13:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: I'm dumb

message: Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?
see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics_to_Category:Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_at_the_Olympics
--Mais oui! 22:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the correct name of the UK's Olympic team? 

message: Why does the joint authority link bring me a page about home ownership? If no one has any objections I'm going to change it. 86.144.177.123
You've made another redlink. Is there an article on coalition government? (let's see if this link turns blue) --Mal 19:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Joint authority

message: Is this a genuine idea/proposal, or merely a rumour?  I find it quite difficult to accept that FF and the SDLP could merge, beyond the Irish nationalism, FF is a conservative, centre right party, quite at odds ideologically one would think to a party that is a member of Socialist International. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.6.216.186 (talk) 01:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger with Fianna Fail 

message: The article mentions their unspoken electoral agreement, but never actually explains it. I'd be very interested in learning more about this relationship, does anyone have something they can add? -MichiganCharms (talk) 22:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, the agreement is mostly the understanding that Labour Party do not stand candidates in Northern Ireland.--Free Socialist 23:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's worth noting that  when SDLP MPs speak in the Commons, they seem to sit and speak from th--Milzo1986 (talk) 00:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The SDLP MPs have traditionally taken the Labour whip although I'm not sure how long for formally (Gerry Fitt famously abstained in the 1979 No Confidence vote that brought down the Callaghan government, something that would have been difficult if he'd been taking the whip). The British Labour Party's constitutional position on Northern Ireland is historically complicated and long predates the formation of the SDLP - my rough understanding is that before the First World War they agreed to not organise in favour of the Irish Labour Party and after partition the labour flag in Northern Ireland was flown by the Northern Ireland Labour Party who didn't take a position on the border until 1949. There were strong links between the British and Northern Irish parties but the NILP rapidly declined as a force during the Troubles. IIRC the formal policy position of the Labour Party as decided internally (which is a different thing from their manifesto for government) was that there should be Irish unification and it's possible that the ban on organising in the province stemmed from that. This policy may still be in place though legal advice in 2003 was that rules that banned residents of Northern Ireland from joining (technically they couldn't join a constituency party as there weren't any and they couldn't join as overseas members because they weren't in a foreign country) were illegal. In more recent times the SDLP affiliated to the various trans-national Labour groupings and I've read that there is an understanding or rule that member parties do not stand against one another. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

text: The only relevance to the SDLP article is their taking the Labour whip and how strong this is - for instance in the recent vote on 42 days detention without charging they voted en bloc against the government and I've not seen anything about this being a defiance. "An unspoken electoral agreement" isn't terribly accurate as for as long as I can remember the announced Labour position on who Northern Irish voters should vote for is the SDLP and Labour's absence from elections in the province has very little to with the SDLP. As for the Labour Party article I'm not sure how much prominence this has to be included but that's best discussed there. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with UK Labour 

message: My site has a copy of the full SDLP Manifesto and their 'Policy Overview' section. 
We're driving towards having all English-language political manifestos of every political party in the world on our site in the same/similar format. All the content, except the Policy Summaries are contained in PDF files on the SDLP website. As more and more manifestos are added over time, in my opinion, it could become a useful resource for Wikipedia. 
SDLP Manifesto
Declaration of Interest: I own the site so shouldn't add the link myself. Jdfjurn (talk) 04:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full Manifesto 

message: Is this section
With the collapse of the UUP in the 2005 UK general election and Sinn Féin's continual abstention from Westminster, the SDLP is once more the second largest parliamentary grouping from Northern Ireland at Westminster. The SDLP sees this as a major opportunity to become the voice of Irish Nationalism in Westminster and to provide effective opposition to the much enlarged DUP group. The SDLP is consequently paying more attention to the Westminster Parliament and working to strengthen its ties with the Parliamentary Labour Party, whose whip they informally accept. The SDLP has been a vocal opponent at Westminster of the proposal to extend detention without trial to 42 days and previously opposed measures to extend detention to 90 days and 28 days. SDLP Leader Mark Durkan recently tabled an Early Day Motion on cluster munitions which gained cross-party support and was quickly followed by a decision by the UK government to support a ban.
taken straight from the SDLP Manifesto? There are no citations and the whole thing seems very biased  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milzo1986 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Straight from Margaret's mouth 

message: I have started a discussion on images of pictures at Talk:Provisional Irish Republican Army#Images of pictures.  --Scolaire (talk) 07:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of pictures 

message: I dispute that the SDLP is a "Catholic" party. It was founded by a mixture of Protestants (e.g. Ivan Cooper) and Catholics, and has been avowedly non-sectarian since the beginning.--MacRusgail (talk) 13:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic party?! 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47179888 Culloty82 (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  SDLP-FF partnership 

message: Although she has resigned the SDLP whip, she hasn't formally left the Party itself- https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/02/11/claire-hanna-resigns-from-sdlp-whip-at-assembly-after-ff-vote-but-remains-member-of-party/ Culloty82 (talk) 17:16, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claire Hanna 

message: If an edit has been reverted saying  then adding another reference that also doesn't use the terms is not acceptable. There's also zero evidence the SDLP have pro-Europeanism as an ideology, the linked article in the infobox defines (or tries to) ideologies as different from a single issue such as pro-Europeanism, with the caveat that pro-Europeanism may central to a particular ideology. So to sum up, the references don't use pro-Europeanism, and even if they did it's not actually an ideology. FDW777 (talk) 07:13, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, I have removed this. Pro-Europeanism. Is. Not. An. Ideology. FDW777 (talk) 20:53, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

text: If you believe any items merits removal, please start a new discussion. You openly admit pro-Europeanism is a political position, which as I've said is not the same as an ideology. That's why it's not listed on List of political ideologies and the article in fact states that ideologies are different from single issues, specifically mentioning pro-Europeanism. This has recently come up at Template talk:Infobox political party#Proposal to add Policies and Factions where  says that pro-Europeanism isn't an ideology but a political position. Do you see the common theme here? A political position is not the same as an ideology, and you have no reference stating the SDLP's ideology is pro-Europeanism. As such I am removed the claim per WP:BURDEN. FDW777 (talk) 11:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Also do not edit talk page headings as you did in this edit. FDW777 (talk) 12:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Political spectrums come in many forms: left-right, liberal-conservative, monarchist-republican, Europhile-eurosceptic. Being pro-European is clearly a political position, and is listed as an ideology on many political parties including Liberal Democrat, Fine Gael, and the Italian Democratic Party. It's not being jammed in inappropriately, it's a major dividing line in European, Irish and UK politics. There is a very reliable reference for pro-Europeanism, you're just being pedantic. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 17:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That other articles may incorrectly list a political position as an ideology is a reason for amending those articles, not for downgrading the quality of this one. Using your articles as an unscientific sample, Lib Dems's political position spectrum field is "Centre to centre-left", Fine Gael's is "Centre to centre-right" and Democratic Party's is "Centre-left". Do you see how all of them use that field for place on the political spectrum, and not for shoehorning in a political position people feel is worthy of emphasis? As I said feel free to add pro-Europeanism somewhere in the article where it's supposed to go, instead of trying to put a square peg in a round hole in the infobox. FDW777 (talk) 18:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Pro-Europeanism isn't an ideology. If you want to remove it from other articles, that's your business. And, like I've already suggested, if you want  go right ahead. Just don't put it in a totally inappropriate place in the infobox, since it's neither an ideology or a position on the political spectrum. FDW777 (talk) 22:45, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still no reliable reference for pro-Europeanism 

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message: On other Northern Irish parties their position on the political scale is shown on the wiki 2A00:23C8:916:F701:FD7D:87E0:ACE6:B1E0 (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political position of SDLP