Talk:Kostas Georgakis

message: There does not appear to be any third-party confirmation that "the [Hellenic Central] intelligence service created the National League of Greek students in Italy and established offices in major university cities". This is something that was described (anonymously) by a single somewhat biased source: it may or may not be true. Unless someone can provide us with a credible citation from an independent source that the National League of Greek Students was established by the Greek intelligence services, this allegation clearly fails the criterion of verifiability. Therefore, it is preferable to distance ourselves from the allegation by using the term "allegedly". 79.131.175.180 (talk) 18:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Allegedly

message: Why is the fact that he drove a fiat 500 so important to the article that it requires a picture of one to be on the page?  It is already mentioned that he drove it, fair enough, but the make and model of his car is not a defining aspect of his actions.
You could include a picture of street cleaners, as they were the first on the scene, and heard some of his final words - arguably a more important detail than the type of car he drove.  There is certianly more emphasis placed on the cleaners than the car.
Also, remember the onus is on the contributing editor to justify the inclusion, not the removing editor.  I don't disagree that it shows the type of car, but I do think that it's undue to the article.   a_man_alone (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I replied below but I will repeat my argument here: This picture, although not of the original car, helps the reader visualise how Georgakis went to the square the historic night of his suicide. It helps the visual reconstruction of an important part of that night's events. I am not sure how removing this picture helps improve the encyclopedia but I will wait to see the arguments. I also think that your are misinterpreting WP:BURDEN. I don't think it applies to images. I will ask for an RFC if you insist on that.  Dr.K. λogosπraxis 16:33, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not an important part of the nights event.  It just happened to be his mode of transport on that night.  Moreover, it's not even his own specific mode of transport, but rather a generic picture of a car like his.  Although the phrasing of the burden policy does focus on references, the principle applies to any changes made to an article.  Including a photo of a car like his is trivia and clutter, hence removing it improves the article.   a_man_alone (talk) 16:48, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it seems that we cannot reach an agreement. I will consult WP:3O. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 16:53, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the fiat 500 - necessary to article? 

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