Talk:Movimiento al Socialismo

message: Is the (Bolivia) really needed in this article?  Is there anything else called "Movement Toward Socialism?" --Descendall 10:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: An exact translation doesn't really work here. There generic meaning of 'al' in this case denotes a wish to acheive socialism, not a physical motion towards it. Either 'Movement towards Socialism' and 'Movement toward Socialism' would have the same generic meaning as 'Movimiento hacía el Socialismo'. --Soman 19:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think translating "al" as "toward" or "towards" implies a mistranslation of "movimiento" (as a physical movement, not a collective endeavour). However, this would seem to conflict with Wikipedia naming conventions, as the most common name in English appears to be ""Movement Towards Socialism" (note the s). "Movement for Socialism" is not unheard of - Agence France Presse and Xinhua seem to do this at least occasionally - but it's much less common. I stand by it as being more accurate though; Wikipedia shouldn't perpetuate errors just because they're common. Rd232 talk 12:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: #yes, there are MAS parties in Venezuela, Argentina, etc. However, I think it would be best to move all of them to "Movement for Socialism (x-country)". --Soman 11:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: # No. The translation of "Movimiento al Socialismo" is not "Movement for Socialism" it is "Movement to Socialism" or "Movement toward Socialism". --Revolución (talk) 18:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: Yes there's a  Venezuelan Movement toward Socialism and an  Argentinian Movement toward Socialism. --Revolución (talk) 18:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: An exact translation doesn't really work here. There generic meaning of 'al' in this case denotes a wish to acheive socialism, not a physical motion towards it. Either 'Movement towards Socialism' and 'Movement toward Socialism' would have the same generic meaning as 'Movimiento hacía el Socialismo'. --Soman 19:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think translating "al" as "toward" or "towards" implies a mistranslation of "movimiento" (as a physical movement, not a collective endeavour). However, this would seem to conflict with Wikipedia naming conventions, as the most common name in English appears to be ""Movement Towards Socialism" (note the s). "Movement for Socialism" is not unheard of - Agence France Presse and Xinhua seem to do this at least occasionally - but it's much less common. I stand by it as being more accurate though; Wikipedia shouldn't perpetuate errors just because they're common. Rd232 talk 12:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Moved WhiteNight T | @ | C 05:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Result

message: This should be changed to "Movement towards Socialism" if it's a direct translation from the Spanish "Movimiento al Socialismo". The Spanish "al" here has a directional meaning, a movement in some direction (here, ideological). Otherwise, it'd be "Movimiento para el Socialismo". Also, the party does not describe itself strictly as a "socialist" party, but as a movement headed in that direction. There is a difference.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcentellas (talk • contribs) 15:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: I changed the entry, which listed the 2002 election as two types: legislative & presidential. While this is technically true, the entry (as it appeared) didn't make clear how the Bolivian electoral system works. Since the 1997 election, Bolivia uses a mixed-member electoral system. This means that voters cast a presidential ballot, as well as a ballot for their local congressional representative. But this second (legislative) vote only elects about half the lower house (it varied from 1997 to 2005); the remainder of the lower house and the entirety of the senate are elected from proportional representation formulas based on the presidential votes cast.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcentellas (talk • contribs) 15:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change on elections 

message: In a start of an attempt to a major rewrite of the article, I removed two passages, . One would fit better in an article on US-Bolivian relations. The other passage could be reworked into the article, if we find a way to integrate into either the history or ideology section. --Soman (talk) 03:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: I've removed the Office Website link from the article as it does now goes to a holding pages (presumably the registration has lapsed).  I've saved the link here in case it is registered and comes back.
*Official Website (Spanish)
Does anyone have a link to the current offical MAS (Bolivia) website?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.125.202 (talk) 11:20, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Link 

message: Why some people are erasing my reports in the ideology part? they are saying that I don`t write references, please who cares about the references!? I write it because it´s important information and not for vandalism, moreover, the same integrants´ party say that the party has as ideology Socialism of the 21st century, Communitarianism, Indigenism and Bolivarianism. So stop erasing important information, it´s annoying!!--Alcastilloru 23:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is annoying you don't care to read the messages in your talk page. Edit-warring will lead your account to be blocked. Also, everytime you click "edit" the message "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." appears. If you do not include a reference that verifies your editing, how do you not expect to be reverted? Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Tbhotch here, it is a Wikipedia policy that information should be backed up by reliable, third-party references. I'm highly sceptical of using the label 21st century socialism for MAS-IPSP, I've never found any explicit references to it in MAS-IPSP discourse. On the contrary MAS leaders use language of denying to be neither left nor right. --Soman (talk) 14:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideology

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: MOVED. Obvious primary topic by educational significance; no opposing editor gave any sort of reason why not to follow our primary topic criteria. You can't just blindly assert "no primary topic", lol.   Red Slash 17:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a contested technical request (permalink). – Ammarpad (talk) 17:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Added move of associated dab. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 15 October 2022 

message: Pageviews In ictu oculi (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems from these pageviews that the redirect  is used far more than this current title, likely due to internal links. There are 425 direct wikilinks to the redirect as opposed to only 47 direct wikilinks to this page. TartarTorte 15:55, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  , while I agree with the reasoning, this move request nonetheless seems to have been passed a bit too early. I've opened a new request (with different names and argumentation) for consideration. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 17:43, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean, it was nine days, and again, no one gave any justified reason why not to move the page. Red Slash 20:43, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Above non-admin RM close with "lol" in the rationale

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved to Movimiento al Socialismo. Consensus developed as such. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 20:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that there doesn't seem to be a completely consitent standard for if parties used translated names or the names in the language used in the place. In France and Québec we seem to generally use French names, but I can't find a whole lot of other examples like that. TartarTorte 20:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Manual of Style, non-anglicized titles should only be used when they predominate in English-language reliable sources. In this case, the issue is that English reliable sources vary on what anglicization they use, not on whether or not they anglicize the name. As I stated, both Movement Toward Socialism and Movement To Socialism are equally acceptable translations with multiple backing reliable sources; Movement For Socialism, on the other hand, is not. I suggest Movement Toward Socialism because it's the most accurate of the two (the Spanish al is used in a directional context). Krisgabwoosh (talk) 20:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "for" is a mistranslation. "To" is the best alternative. Super Ψ Dro 21:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Socialism has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:50, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Politics has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:50, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Bolivia has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:50, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: There is a split consensus between the originally proposed title(s), and "Movimiento al Socialismo". I have notified relevant wikiprojects for wider input. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 November 2022