Talk:Kaliyan

message: Although the Kroni myth is relatively young (created in the 19th century), I have come across two evils with very similar names: 
(1) Kaliya or Kaliyan - In the Mahabharata, Sri Krishna battled this poisonous "100 hood" Naga (serpent) as a mere child, eventually exiling him to the sea. It is all connected with the myth of Garuda, Lord Vishnu's mount and King of all Birds. I won't go into great detail about said myth, but Garuda was the son of the “Tortoise Sage,” Kashyapa, and his wife, Vinata. Because of a fixed bet, Garuda’s mother became the servant of her sister, Kadru, other wife of Kashyapa and mother of all Nagas (making them Garuda’s half brothers). Garuda saved his mother by obtaining Amrit (Nectar of the Gods) for his brothers. But in the end, the Nagas were cheated out of the Amrit, Garuda became the mount of Lord Vishnu, and the two celestial races became potent enemies.
	The Garuda myth then runs into the Kaliya myth. Because Garuda came to the Naga Isle to kill and eat his brothers so much, the Nagas prayed to Lord Brahma, who granted the boon that Garuda would stop his annual slaughter ONLY if the sacrifice of one Naga was left for him to eat. This sacrifice forged an uneasy truce between Garuda and the Nagas, but Kaliya, King of the Nagas (on earth), began to eat the sacrifice for himself. When Garuda came to kill Kaliya, a fierce battle ensued, which drove the Naga into the holy Yamuna River. Because of a curse enacted upon Garuda by the Sage Saubhari, he could not enter the river or he would instantly die. There Kaliya lived under the protection of the bewitched water.
	From this point, Kaliya’s black poison began to kill off everything in the surrounding environment – i.e. fish, alligators, trees. Everyone in the nearby village became sick from the black clouds of poison billowing out from the holy river. So, Sri Krishna dove into the water and beat the crap out of Kaliya. Using his supernatural strength, Sri Krishna wrestled the Naga into submission, “milked” all his poison, and then exiled him to the bottom of the ocean.
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(2) Kali (Demon) (Lord of Kali-Yuga) – According to the Kalki Purana, Kali is the great-great grandson of Lord Brahma. Kali was the son of Krodha (Anger) and his sister-turned-wife, Himsa (Violence). He was the grandson of Dambha (Vanity) and his sister-turned-wife, Maya (Illusion). Kali is the great-grandson of Adharma (Impropriety) and his wife, Mithya (Falsehood). Kali’s family is created by Lord Brahma in an effort to speed up the dissolution of the cosmos.
It says he is a huge being, the color of “soot,” and carries a bone as a weapon (much like Samson fought with an ass’s Jaw-Bone). Kali’s sister-turned-wife (unnamed) gave him two offspring: a son named Bhayanak (Fear) and a daughter named Mrityu (Death). His son and daughter gave him two grandchildren: a boy named Niraya (Hell) and a girl named Yatana (Torture). His entire family assumes “human form” and opens Pandora’s box, if you will, on earth. This is the onset of Kali-Yuga.
At the end of the Kalki Purana, Kali dies in battle from wounds inflicted by Satya Yuga and Dharma personified. Kalki’s generals kill all of his children and grandchildren and Kalki himself kills Kali’s most powerful generals, Koka and Vikoka (similar to the Gog and Magog of Christian Lore).
The Kaliyan of the Kroni myth is actually based upon the Kali of the Kalki Purana.Ghostexorcist 02:25, April 28, 2006
:No the two are considerebly varriable to each other. But the only thing is two are similar in some aspects. ==> Д=|Ω|=Д PaulỸ 18:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not mean to offend anyone when I originally posted this almost a year ago. However, Kroni's main article says he is “the spirit of Kali Yuga”. The demon Kali is mentioned in several Puranas, including the Vishnu Purana, Bhagavata Purana, Markandeya Purana and the Kalki Purana, all of which were in existance long before the coming of the Ayyavazhi religion. All of these sources say Kali is the embodiment of Kali Yuga. I think the similarities are too great to deny the possibility that one was based on the other. Since Ayyavazhi is an offshoot of Hinduism, it makes the possibility that much greater. (Ghostexorcist 22:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree that Ayyavazhi's Kaliyan and the Hinduism's Kali (Demon) are the same evil spirit of Kali yuga. But the personofiation of that in Ayyavazhi as in a male (Kaliyan) and female(Kalicchi) resambles theAdam and Eve in Juedo-Christian Tradition. - Paul Raj 15:56, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TWO EVILS FROM THE VEDIC WORLD ... 

message: (2) Kali (Demon) (Lord of Kali-Yuga) – According to the Kalki Purana, Kali is the great-great grandson of Lord Brahma. Kali was the son of Krodha (Anger) and his sister-turned-wife, Himsa (Violence). He was the grandson of Dambha (Vanity) and his sister-turned-wife, Maya (Illusion). Kali is the great-grandson of Adharma (Impropriety) and his wife, Mithya (Falsehood). Kali’s family is created by Lord Brahma in an effort to speed up the dissolution of the cosmos.
It says he is a huge being, the color of “soot,” and carries a bone as a weapon (much like Samson fought with an ass’s Jaw-Bone). Kali’s sister-turned-wife (unnamed) gave him two offspring: a son named Bhayanak (Fear) and a daughter named Mrityu (Death). His son and daughter gave him two grandchildren: a boy named Niraya (Hell) and a girl named Yatana (Torture). His entire family assumes “human form” and opens Pandora’s box, if you will, on earth. This is the onset of Kali-Yuga.
At the end of the Kalki Purana, Kali dies in battle from wounds inflicted by Satya Yuga and Dharma personified. Kalki’s generals kill all of his children and grandchildren and Kalki himself kills Kali’s most powerful generals, Koka and Vikoka (similar to the Gog and Magog of Christian Lore).
The Kaliyan of the Kroni myth is actually based upon the Kali of the Kalki Purana.Ghostexorcist 02:25, April 28, 2006
:No the two are considerebly varriable to each other. But the only thing is two are similar in some aspects. ==> Д=|Ω|=Д PaulỸ 18:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not mean to offend anyone when I originally posted this almost a year ago. However, Kroni's main article says he is “the spirit of Kali Yuga”. The demon Kali is mentioned in several Puranas, including the Vishnu Purana, Bhagavata Purana, Markandeya Purana and the Kalki Purana, all of which were in existance long before the coming of the Ayyavazhi religion. All of these sources say Kali is the embodiment of Kali Yuga. I think the similarities are too great to deny the possibility that one was based on the other. Since Ayyavazhi is an offshoot of Hinduism, it makes the possibility that much greater. (Ghostexorcist 22:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree that Ayyavazhi's Kaliyan and the Hinduism's Kali (Demon) are the same evil spirit of Kali yuga. But the personofiation of that in Ayyavazhi as in a male (Kaliyan) and female(Kalicchi) resambles theAdam and Eve in Juedo-Christian Tradition. - Paul Raj 15:56, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AND MOST IMPORTANT

message: Request received to merge articles: Boons offered to Kaliyan into Kaliyan; dated February 2015.  Discussion here. GenQuest "Talk to Me"
:Discussion moved from talk page of target article, per ProjectMerge: GenQuest "Talk to Me" 16:34, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: *Recently we had an afd, closed as keep, although the notability of the subject still remains doubtful. I am proposing merge or redirect to Kaliyan#Kali Claiming boons. Delibzr (talk) 05:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Merge: Though Kaliyan is notable, there is no basis for independent notability (notability in third party literature) of this list. --Redtigerxyz  Talk  11:58, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal