Talk:Mount Meager massif

message: Just a note that this is probably the place to do the material on the Meager Creek Hotsprings, unless those are to be documented separately; if they are, then so should the geothermal research site on the mountain's/massif's NE flank.  I suspect there are separate cats for hotsprings and for geothermal developments, so if they're included here then those cats should be as well (?).Skookum1 03:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hot  springs & geothermal proposals/research site

message: Just noticed the "notable volcanoes of the Cascades" template has been placed here; no doubt on Garibaldi as well.  I wouldn't have an issue with it if it said "notable volcanoes of the Cascade Volcanic Belt" or Cascade whatever-it-is: it's not the Cascade Range.  I haven't looked at the edit history to see if you placed this; could have been a statesider for all I know; but unless the Cascades template is reworded in its titling and doesn't focus on the "High Cascades" volcanoes, it's not suitable for a Canadian volcano, even Garibaldi (which Americans continue to think is in the Cascades, as if none of the rest of the Coast Mountains were and it weren't on the far side of the Fraser.  Don't mean to be snippy, I'm just very particular about definitions; and even more particular about fuzzification of them.  Is the template from the Cascade Range bunch, or from the WikiProject Mountains, do you know?  If it's the latter I'll take it up with them in the forum there....BTW I found a really amazing couple of shots of the top of Meager, maybe it's Plinth or Devastator I'm not sure; google "Randall and Kat's Flying Photos" and tour the first flight, the 2006 one to Chilko Lake.  User:KenWalker currently has a request in for permission to be able to use their pics for illustrating Wikipedia; have a tour of any of the flights and you'll see why....Skookum1 05:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS here's the link to Randall and Kat's Flying Photos.  Enjoy.  (100s of great pics!).Skookum1 06:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll see who made it, and take it up with them; probably at the Mountains project, I suspect, if not directly from Cascade Range; probably both.Skookum1 06:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to direct to Cascade Volcanoes, 'cause that's its title even if the volcanoes part isn't capitalized in the template name (it should have been, if they're going to use the phrase; othewise "volcanoes in the Cascade Range" y'see, which of course wouldn't include Garibaldi and northwards...the confusion partly dates to a time when the whole cordillera, even the Purcells or Selkirks were considered "the Cascades" - but not "Cascade Range", more "Cascade Mouhtains" until formalization of geographic and geological analysis got going, and on their separate paths, too, as geographic regions only rarely correspond to geological ones; the old usage and context can be seen on some topo maps which will say, on the spine of the Lillooet Ranges around Joffre, "summit of the Cascades as defined for legal purposes".   But the term there is "the Cascades", not "Cascade Range", which is an American term; it's all confusing, as people always say Coast Range but the proper official name is Coast Mountains; why, I don't know; but it is citable that there are usages in BC where Cascades means the Coast Mountains not as a legal definition of same, but as a terminology in law to name the whole range, which hadn't been really named at that time (it would have been the Royal Engineers who first chartered that, then a guy named Frank Swannell, who needs an article...); just an abstraction, not a designation; and there was Cascade, B.C., somewhere along Highway 3 or so between Trail and Cranbrook, but I'll have to look at my ghost towns book again; in the silver rush, the mountains around there were also referred to as the Cascades...and those were largely Americans, as in the gold rush, and you'd think they'd know better; on the other hand lately Red Mountain's ad campaign has moved the Rossland Range to the "Kootenay Rockies" (which to me means on the east side of the Trench....).Skookum1 07:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Cascade Range]] template inappropriate

message: This could really use a picture"s", since it is generally considered the northermost major Cascade volcano as I read on the artical Cascade Volcanoes...  
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.105.206.52 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have lots of photos of this area, so I added one showing the three major peaks.  I also have other photos of most of the individual peaks in the Meager group; Plinth, Capricorn, Pylon, Devastator.  I'll add those to the other articles later.  --Seattle Skier (See talk tierS) 07:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seattle Skier, do you have a picture of Perkin's Pillar? I'm just wondering, because it's a volcanic plug on the steep north side of Capricorn Mountain. Black Tusk 10:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, I have no photos of Perkin's Pillar, either before or after its collapse.  There is an excellent photo on the cover of the Geological Association of Canada 2003 field trip guide, with a helicopter hovering above the unbroken Pillar.  Since the Pillar has now collapsed, this photo may be eligible for fair use under Wikipedia guidelines, or the photographer (a Geological Survey of Canada volcanologist) may agree to release it under a free license.  I'll send her an email asking about it.  --Seattle Skier (See talk tierS) 18:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, do you have a photo of the north face of Plinth Peak? If you do, it could be useful for the 2350 BP eruption of Mount Meager article, since Plinth Peak is the most recent peak of Mount Meager to erupt. Why I'm asking for the north face is because It's the remnant of the inner crater wall, which was destroyed from the last eruption. Black Tusk 08:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do have several photos of the north face of Plinth, including some which show the area of the vent for the 2350 BP eruption.  I've been too busy this month to edit Wikipedia much, but I'll add some photos when I have more time (and also try to follow up on the Perkin's Pillar photo).  --Seattle Skier (talk) 08:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: This article is close to FA, but could use some touching up.
Needs:
*References
*Expanded information
Once we get there, I'll see how we are doing.  Meldshal42Hit meWhat I've Done 20:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is nowhere near FA or GA....it needs more references, infomation, sections and explanations. It also needs to be comprehensive, well writen and not just focusd on geology, although there is probably nothing much else to mention because it lies in a more remote location then the other Cascade volcanoes further south. If someone is interested improving this article to FA or GA I would participate. There is lots of geology about this volcano and is hazardous due to landslides and debris flows. Black Tusk (talk) 19:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Um, notice that was months ago. And um, lol, once we get there... —Ceran [ speak ] 21:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, one of these times I'm going to get this article to one of those ratings. I'm not trying to make this sound effensive, but lots of Canadians are blank with geography so no wonder lots of Canadian geography articles are rated "low importance" and don't get anything. I understand the harsh explosive power of Meager unlike many others and I know there's people living around Meager that arn't aware of the dangers. Researchers warn Meager could release a massive debris flow over inhabited areas anytime without warning and it will erupt again - basically an equality of Mount Rainier in Washington State. There's probably disasters related to Meager that nobody knows about, given the thickness of volcanic ash in this area. I may take this seriously but anyone who does not agree or thinks I'm fooling around must be mentally sick and should go to hell. An unexpected full-scale eruption or massive debris flow from Meager would be a catastrophe.....Finally, I'd be curious to see how many users would reply to this message. Black Tusk (talk) 05:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of this problem boils down to the merger of all the Canadian WPs and the creation of subs like Geog and Hist; not having subproject-specific ratings means a lot of otherwise important articles are given "low" because that's where they stand on teh (arbitrarily-judged) national scale. As for Meager's rating in WPCanGeog, it should have at least a Mid rating.Skookum1 (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I am going to start working on this article by gathering information so I can make a major expansion during one edit. This article will eventually become GA or FA status. Black Tusk (talk) 20:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  For an FA... 

message: Who put that on there?  I just read its project page, they said they picked the 1000 articles with the least-recent edits, which doesn't seem right here; the danger with that project is they may decide to send it to [WP:PROD]].  Huh?Skookum1 (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You can remove that project if you want. Black Tusk (talk) 00:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Other articles were added as well, such as Tseax Cone, Mount Cayley, Mount Edziza, Mount Garibaldi and Hoodoo Mountain. It dosen't really matter if some of those articles don't get anything because I'll probably rewrite some of them. Black Tusk (talk) 02:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: WP Abandoned Articles?

message: I am plaining to do a major rewrite and expansion for this article with better sources once I have everything figured out. There is quite a bit about this mountain that could use some coverage. Volcanoguy 23:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. It is quite comprehensive now. Volcanoguy 21:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: It has been clearly established that large earthquakes can trigger explosive and effusive volcanic eruptions worldwide. An example is the 1960 eruption of Cordón Caulle in Chile, which occurred 38 hours after the main shock of the 1960 Valdivia earthquake. Apparently volcanoes that rarely erupt are more susceptible to such ‘extrinsic triggering’. Thus Meager would probably count as one of them since its eruptions are typically separated by thousands of years. This hazard could be serious since scientists say the Cascadia subduction zone is overdue for a massive earthquake. Any opinions on whether or not this should be in the article? Volcanoguy 16:43, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds a bit too much like primary research to me. If you can find a source that explicitly states this or implies it then I think it's perfectly relevant for the article. ceranthor 01:20, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eruptions and megathrust earthquakes 

message: ;General
*Per the MOS titles of sections should not repeat words already used; they should be unique. This is a trifling comment and it doesn't need to necessarily change because I'm not sure how FAC usually deals with this.
;Prose
*The precipitation is among the heaviest in North America, feeding lush forests on the mountains' flanks. - "The precipitation" seems a little disjointed. May be better as "this precipitation". I don't like the repetition of heavy either. Needs a little tweaking.
:Changed. How about changing "the heaviest" to "the most extreme"? Volcanoguy 11:57, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it. ceranthor 22:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

text: As someone who has brought subduction zone volcano articles to FA you should know what "subduction" means and what "Cascadia" is..... I'm not playing any games here. "Pure jargon"? It's geology so there is going to be jargon..... Volcanoguy 21:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, fair enough. If it comes up at FAC we can deal with it then. ceranthor 22:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

text: It would probably be better if it was "When the plate finally slips, the stored energy is released in a massive earthquake". A megathrust earthquake doesn't always occur at Cascadia every 500 years anyway. Volcanoguy 14:59, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Amen. Volcanoguy 13:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

text: The source is given at the end of the next sentence. I looked to see if I could fix the link but it looks like the search engine on that website is down right now. Volcanoguy 14:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, is it back up yet? ceranthor 22:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Volcanoguy 00:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Removed. Volcanoguy 11:44, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Just post a reply here when you finish up so that I can make sure these are resolved before I move on. Thanks. ceranthor 22:00, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Replied. ceranthor 22:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry that I am not too active right now; busy doing other things. Volcanoguy 14:59, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ceranthor's Comments 

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message: *"The deposit was first held by J. MacIsaac. In the mid 1970s the second owner W. H. Willes investigated and mined the pumice. It was crushed, removed and stored close to the village of Pemberton. Later the bridge that was used to access the pumice deposit was washed out and mining operations were not renewed. Mining resumed in 1988" - verbose; "later" sentence is vague about dates and chronology of mining
*"A stress field controlled by regional tectonics has been commonly invoked to explain the dynamics of lateral flow (flowing laterally rather than vertically toward the surface)" - explained lateral flow, but it's wordy, and needs some ce
*Anything to mine from the first FAC sources?
*As magma rises to the surface over time, it will probably create much more vigour and heat - vigour meaning what? should be more specific
*"The Garibaldi Volcanic Belt (GVB) has a long history of eruptions and poses a threat to the surrounding region." - GVB comes out of nowhere in the lead
*File:Garibaldi_Volcanic_Belt-en.svg should be bigger so it can be read - it might need to be moved around in order to do that effectively
*'According to a BC Geographical Names letter written in March 1983, "the local name, Cathedral, was duplicated elsewhere, so the mountain was renamed Meager after the creek of that name which lies to the south of it".' - citation after this quote?
*"one of the five areas most capable of commercial development" - capable of doesn't seem right here; maybe most suited to?
*"Another sequence of rhyodacite lava flows were subsequently erupted and form the Plinth Assemblage" - tense switch here doesn't seem to work; same follows for much of the ensuing paragraph?
*"Later, a series of pyroclastic flows were erupted and travelled 7 km (4.3 mi) downstream." - don't think the "were" is necessary here
*"This was followed by monitoring of the mountain by NRC volcanologists," - I'd spell out Natural Resources Canada
Otherwise, I think it's in great shape, though I'm still concerned about the public domain text issue. ceranthor 04:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you planning to take it to FAC still? ceranthor 04:16, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not if you aren't. It does not matter to me. Volcanoguy 10:17, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ultimately up to you, since you wrote the article. I think it's nearly there, my only concern being the public domain text, but I'd be happy to help with the process. ceranthor 15:31, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because I wrote the article does not mean you or any other user cannot bring it to GA or FA status. I would be happy to help with the process but my days of doing major contributions to this article are over. Volcanoguy 12:22, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Thanks for letting me know. ceranthor 17:30, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Ceranthor Comments 

message: I'm wondering if the title of this article should be moved from "Mount Meager" to "Mount Meager massif" to avoid confusion with the peak of the same name, given the fact that they are both mentioned here. An example is Mont Blanc and the Mont Blanc massif. Any comments User:Ceranthor? Volcanoguy 13:47, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not a bad idea. If you feel confident doing it, I trust your judgment. ceranthor 13:06, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the move and made Mount Meager its own article. FYI I have created an article for the 2010 Mount Meager landslide. Volcanoguy 22:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename?