Talk:Mel Ignatow

message: I just completed reading Bob Hills' book about the Brenda Sue Schaefer murder "Double Jeopardy:Obsession, Murder, and Justice Denied" (copyright 1995) and I noticed two possible discrepancies with the Wikipedia article as presently shown.
1) The Wikipedia article says "Ignatow tape recorded what he did to Brenda and these recordings were later played to the jury. The transcipt is as follows..." but I see no mention of this tape recording at all in Mr. Hills book.
2) The Wikipedia article says (regarding the taped conversation between Ignatow and Mary Ann Shore) "However, he mumbled the word "dug" and the jury also thought he said the word "safe" instead of "grave" on the tape" but Mr.Hills book only suggests that the word "safe" might have been "site", never mentioning "grave" as a possibility. existed 2)Brenda's body was found before the trial 3)Mary Ann Shore was not an immediate suspect.                     This is a terribly written page!                                                     However, in spite of whatever evidence was presented to the jury, there was no way that an all white jury in KENTUCKY would let a black prosecutor win over a white defence attorney, and put a white defendant in prison for any reason.
:The last 3 items you listed did need to be corrected in the Wikipedia article.  You are demonstrably wrong with the allegations of racism involving the black prosecutor and Kentucky juries.  Before this trial ever began, its black prosecutor had already sent a number of white men to prison who had white defense lawyers ... and some of those juries were all white. A jury sees more than just the prosecutor.  There was also prosecution testimony from a white coroner, white detectives, white ex-girlfriend, etc. TL36 (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to add some references for this article.  Hills' book would probably be one.  RJFJR 17:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I added the Verify tag to the article in response to the concerns raised above.  Part of the message requests citations to sources. RJFJR 18:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions regarding the Tape Recordings

message: "Brenda's badly decomposed body was not been there for over a year. " Rich   Farmbrough. 16:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What was meant by this?

message: Wikipedia articles *must* be written with a neutral point-of-view and subjective writing is verboten.  OK?  I am very sorry for the loss of life in this case, and I feel pretty much the same as everyone else does about Ignatow, *BUT* leave out the personal opinion, please! Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 23:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed tag, as this article seems fine to me...and is months old.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.24.35.55 (talk) 11:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The article does seem to have a lot of jabs at Ignatow, the murder trial jurors, etc. While of course any reasonable person would probably agree with the jabs, the goal we are after here is neutrality, even in cases like this. Ultimately inline sources would probably help this article a good deal. I have made some initial cleanup edits. --W.marsh 16:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone wants to take the time to pick through it, the problematic stuff (along with some good stuff and spelling corrections) seems to have been introduced since last June when I rewrote this; . --RobthTalk 16:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal opinion not appropriate for an encyclopedia!

message: They should have not charged for kidnapping, robbery or rape/sodomy in the 1st trial. If they held back on that, since the murder by chloroform was a distinct act, they could have charged and tried only for murder at 1st, and then would have had a 2nd chance to try again for kidnapping, a 3rd chance for rape/sodomy and a 4th for the robbery. I saw the opening statements in part on TV. The defendant (and his attorney) were at that point (by outward appearance) quiet gentle (white) men and the prosecutor was an agitated shouting (black) man. Add-in a star witness who looks like a tramp and the small town hicks (Southern racists?) and the jury missed the truth. Too bad the prosecutor over-reached in the initial trial plan. The Kidnapping, Robbery, Rape and Murder in this case are all distinct crimes which could have been parsed out into separate trials without double-jeopardy. I bet a lot of prosecutors learned that lesson from this trial. 216.153.214.89 (talk) 17:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, WP:NOTAFORUM --NeilN talk to me 12:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Neil is right. Comments here should be about improving the Wikipedia article, not general comments on Ignatow. --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 00:58, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The prosecutors messed up on this case 

message: Fix it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.129.186.234 (talk) 09:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is the most unobjective pile of garbage I've ever read on Wikipedia. 

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