Talk:Christine Gregoire

message: Please explain how this edit complies with WP:SS. The whole point of having a main article is so that excessive detail, such as the majority of the vote count dispute section, can be contained in the main article then summaries of that main article are used in other articles associated with the main article. While some of the details may be "lost" in this article, all of these details are included in the Washington gubernatorial election, 2004 article, where they should be. It is also questionable how the machinations of the Washington electoral system (as flawed as it may be) is important to Gregoire's biography. --Bobblehead (rants) 22:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because that guideline stipulates text may be split, but not deleted. Washington gubernatorial election, 2004 is almost entirely unsourced, where the information you removed was sourced very well, was neutral and accurate. If you find a way to merge the information from here to there without losing any of the sources and while maintaining the overall integrity of the information, I don't mind seeing it removed from this article. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 22:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Perhaps we could use something similar to how Rossi's article handled the vote count dispute. If we included slightly modified versions of paragraphs 2, 4, and 5 of the sectionin the Rossi article in this article, it seems to cover the entire saga in enough detail that the point is made, while not going into excessive details like this article does. --Bobblehead (rants) 22:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: CC, the solution to the sourcing problem on the 2004 election article is to add sources to that article, not leave excessive information here. Even without it being properly sourced, that article includes all of the information that you are defending here and the sources can be moved from here to there. It really isn't that difficult. Additionally, summarizing a section invariably means that certain details are eliminated from the article. If every little detail were included, then it wouldn't be a very good summary, would it? :) --Bobblehead (rants) 22:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *OK I guess what I'm saying is that the information should be moved to the article on the 04 election. That article is written very, very poorly though (and very poorly sourced), so I would want to preserve the exact phrasing and sources used in this article, since I have gone through and verified that all the text is actually in those sources and that it's all neutral. From there, that information in that section in this article can be compressed in whatever way you like, provided it remains sourced and neutral. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 23:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet again, all of the information that is currently in the 2004 election section in this article is already included in the main article about the election.  If you have concerns about poor writing and sourcing of the 2004 elections article, then you are more than welcome to edit that article to improve the quality of the writing and its sourcing. It is not, however, a valid reason for leaving excessive details in this article. --Bobblehead (rants) 23:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, I was sort of inviting you to do that, since you're the one who wants it removed. The information may be the same, but the text itself hasn't undergone the level of scrutiny that I've applied to everything I've written today. This is what I mean when I say I've verified everything. I spent a lot of time writing that today and I don't feel like I want to spend the rest of my day trying to merge the two topics. Is it ok if we leave that project for tomorrow? Cumulus Clouds (talk) 23:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * - I've reverted to your edit and integrated the material into Washington gubernatorial election, 2004. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 16:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary style 

message: I propose the title of this article be changed to Chris Gregoire, as that is how the press generally refers to her, and that is the name she uses on her official website as well as the state website.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.119.71 (talk) 01:04, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Her full name is Christine Gregoire and that's how most of the citations refer to her. Chris Gregoire is a redirect so it's kind of a moot point anyway. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 03:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris is only used around election times, and I've always figured it was to trick ignorant people who wouldn't vote for a female candidate into thinking they were voting for a male candidate. Before elections, it's always Christine. 98.125.129.9 (talk) 06:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Title change

message: This section doesn't belong in this article. It probably belongs in something like List of controversies started by Bill O'Reilly, but the Governor has absolutely nothing to do with it. To call a controversy would be POV since she didn't start it, she didn't approve the display, she didn't clear it to be put up, but since O'Reilly blamed her for it, she's being associated with it. Rob McKenna has already issued a joint statement with Governor Gregoire saying it's a nonissue and that nobody in the executive branch participated in the approval, and that it's constitutionally permitted. 
On the same token, this has absolutely nothing to do with the 2008 legislative session. It's not part of the legislative agenda, and it does not involve any bills that had ever been considered. In fact, the session ended over 9 months ago. The 2009 legislative session doesn't start for another month. So this really, really doesn't belong here. 24.19.48.159 (talk) 03:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Bill O'Reilly's editorial is not a source for that section and the new version was more POV and OR than the old one. I've removed it again. 24.19.48.159 (talk) 04:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitol display

message: Noticed there wasn't a 2008 legislative session section. The governor did more then campaign in 2008 (toys, sex offenders, tribes, Boeing, etc). Any thoughts on what is notable enough to be included? I also added info on the unions suing her. Please edit as appropriate.Cptnono (talk) 05:49, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 2008

message: The 2nd and 3rd sentences sound like her campaign ads. Is there a good source available? Her .gov page doesn't go into that much detail so am just curious.Cptnono (talk) 08:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the lines. They can be found unsourced on a few other wikis. I have no problem with painting an image of a humble farm girl from a broken home who grew up working the fields and cooking but it needs to be verifiable and neutral.Cptnono (talk) 00:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal

message: An editor lobbying to save the Morton Brilliant article from deserved deletion has made the WP:POINTy addition of the trivia fact that Brilliant used to work for Gregoire.  Since none of the other gubernatorial biographies mention former spokespersons, and since this article 24 hours ago didn't mention any of Gregoire's staffers, it makes very little sense to add a sentence mentioning a single ex-staffer when far more important staffers go unmentioned.  Any editors disagree? THF (talk) 21:37, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless some context about why him being Gregoire's spokesperson is important enough to mention in this article, I'm going to have to agree with THF that just saying that Brilliant was Gregoire's spokesperson is unnecessary trivia... --Bobblehead (rants) 21:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Will gladly add more meat toi the relevance -- rather than excising it in order to bolster AfD debate. Collect (talk) 22:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Him being referenced in this article should not influence if his own article gets through the AFD process. It was put her for that improper reason (assuming of the timing) and not really worked in properly.Cptnono (talk) 22:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has a specific section on the 2004 election and recount, hence he is germane to that (see NYT cite). Collect (talk) 22:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Per discussion page was used in your edit summary which is off since you seem to be on the wrong side of the consensus. Kept most of his quotes and reworded to not unbalance the section and article.Cptnono (talk) 22:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I feel you did a good job, unfortuneately some others seem quite determined to keep Brillioan OFF of WP as much as possible. I did not think the material redounded poorly in any way at all on Gregoire, so can hardly think the material was contentious at all otherwise. Again, thanks for trying. Collect (talk) 22:22, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Sorry it took so long, but when I checked the sources, only one of them actually supported the sentences that they were used in, so I had to remove those sources, and then rewrite it to fit into the campaign article. But, I should have added it to the campaign article first before removing it from here, so that was my bad, but here is the edit of adding it to the campaign article. --Bobblehead (rants) 22:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Eqch source specifically had the claims as stated in them, so I am curious what porecise wording you found so inaccurate?  {lease add the cites with what you feel is the appropriate quote, so that there will be no question of relevance in that article. Thanks! Collect (talk) 22:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: By the time I edited them, they were not accurate. The Seattle Times source made no mention of the quote it was being used to support, it seems to have been primarily added to establish that Brilliant was Gregoire's campaign spokesperson and that was already established by the USAToday article. It could also be construed that the reason why The Seattle Times article was used was to tie Gregoire to the Cox incident. The quote being sourced to the NY Times article was actually out of the USAToday article. --Bobblehead (rants) 23:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: IOW, as I originally stated the claims and the cites, they were, in fact, correct.   Thanks! Collect (talk) 23:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morton Brilliant 

message: It says she was born in Auburn, WA in the infobox, but when you read the article, a cited sentence says, "Gregoire, born Christine O'Grady, was born in Adrian, Michigan[2] and raised in Auburn Washington"
Thats a mistake right?? It should say she was born in Adrian, Michigan in the infobox. Anon134 (talk) 04:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth 

message: I propose removing the platforms out of the lead. The budget could easily receive a paragraph of info and leading the reader to the inclusion that it was completely successful is a concern. Also, should we put in that she pushed to raise sin taxes or is that not as cool as same sex marriage benefits (which needs much more explanation)?Cptnono (talk) 01:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: Succeeded by 	Rob McKenna?
How is that possible when there hasn't been election to determine who the next Governor will be?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.124.46 (talk) 05:14, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's for Attorney General, not Governor. 98.125.129.9 (talk) 06:31, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election Hasn't occured 

message: *four separate unions representing state workers filed lawsuits against the governor for suggesting that the workers' pay raises be dropped as part of addressing the looming state budget deficit.
:: Does anyone know what the result(s) of these lawsuits was/were??
Quis separabit? 19:20, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Union lawsuits

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