Talk:Cheri Yecke

message: Bias rarely requires deletion. A rewrite is generally the fix for this sort of thing. Zotel - the Stub Maker 01:12, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to local news sources she still is:  Odd nature 18:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It appears that the position that Yecke and six other candidates are being considered for will be appointed, not elected, with the board of education doing the selection for the appointment. She is thus still a candidate for a governmental position, but not in an election as stated at the top of the article. --Wesley R. Elsberry 19:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Whether or not you are an internet crank, your blog is not notable enough for inclusion here and the attempted inclusion was self-promotion. Please read WP:COI. JoshuaZ 03:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Joshua is right Larry. FM is too about notibility, for that matter. You'd be using your time better to raise the notability of your blog, but inserting it here is not the way to do it. Odd nature 18:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion? 

message: Yecke has hired a company, ReputationDefender, to scrub references to intelligent design from any mention of her online: We need to keep an eye for them on this article. Odd nature 17:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll point out that ReputationDefenders did not ask for the blog post to be removed, just the one quote Yecke disputed. --Wesley R. Elsberry 01:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heads up for [[WP:COI]] vios 

message: Larry's recuriting meat puppets on his blog here. Within a few hours a new anon starts an edit war. All of this along with his incivility is enough to warrant a ban according to WP:DE. I suggest moving quickly to minimize the disruption he causes. Odd nature 21:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Note that the anonymous editor is in Minneapolis.  Curious.  Orangemarlin 21:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Just because he has one edit to the article prior today doesn't mean he's not responding to Larry's call to action. Let's think about that: One edit June 11, then eight today edit warring and violating 3RR That's some coincidence! Odd nature 23:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: He appears to be using an open proxy server as well. That's a hallmark of sock and meat puppets. Odd nature 23:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: *Also it started shortly after Larry Fafarman was blocked indefinitely. eaolson 03:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Larry's recruited meat puppets now 

message: Keeping an eye on new arrivals who appear to responding to Larry's call to action. Odd nature 23:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Walking in Larry's footsteps

message: * Simplified instructions for holy war against Wickedpedians Odd nature 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heads up: Larry's still recruiting

message: The latest claim being made by Larry regarding the non-profit status of wiki seems to be unfounded in my opinion,  but in case the IRS does take some action due to that report he claims to have filed, it might be helpful to have a heads-up on this situation.  I even took the liberty to investigate the specific rules for election year activity as found here:
Election Year IssuesKarl23 18:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Larry's claims of 501(c)(3) violation over this article

message: I suppose now that the appointment has been finalized, we can remove the disclaimer.Karl23 22:08, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of upcoming political appointment disclaimer 

message: I am concerned about the following on a number of grounds.
Both in Minnesota in 2003 and in Florida in 2005, allegations of nepotism were raised by democrats and the press over Yecke's husband being placed in state jobs soon after Yecke had taken her positions.  During her tenure as Minnesota's education commissioner in 2003, Yecke's husband was appointed as a deputy commissioner with the state's economic development agency by Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty during a hiring freeze.  Again, in 2005, this time as the K-12 education chancellor in Florida, Yecke's husband was hired as the deputy secretary of professional regulations by the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation amid allegations that his qualifications do not significantly distinguish him from the rest of the qualified candidate pool available in Florida. Follick, Joe http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051103/NEWS/511030395/1004 Husband's Hiring Raises Concerns . The Ledger, November 3, 2005.
First, the allegations were against Republican governors and involved Cheri and Dennis Yecke.  Second, the article seems to cherry pick only parts of the Follick story that reflect poorly on the Yeckes.  This sort of cherry picking is not an accurate summary of the source.  Third, claiming that the press raised allegations of nepotism based on this one story is original research.  The Follick story basically presents allegations and apologetics regarding neoptism, but otherwise just presents the allegations and surrounding facts (including Dennis Yecke's qualifications).  Lastly, the Follick story is more about Democratic/Republican bickering than Cheri Yecke, and is backed up by a single source (Follick).  Other sources should be sought.  I tried, but only found other Follic sources.  We should also consider removing this section from the article on the grounds that it is undue weight to Democratic allegations over what may not be nepotism, in which the Yecke's got caught up in the cross fire.  Ra2007 (talk) 23:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The  Lead Democrat on the Minnesota House Ways & Means Committee and Minnesota Public Radio both used "nepotism" and the Dem, Loren Solberg, stated "‘It’s hard to imagine that whoever made this hiring decision could fail to see it how it would be perceived." The position had been vacant before Pawlenty re-opened the position to hire Dennis Yecke. Solberg draws a parallel with their previous situation in Virginia, where Cheri was Secretary of Education, and Dennis was a budget analyst. So yes, Solberg is clearly saying there is "a pattern developing here" concerning the Yeckes. KillerChihuahua?!? 16:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegations of nepotism 

message: OddNature - this is getting silly.  I have written a legit biography and have even included the controversy part in with it!  Yet the revert that you (and now we're seeing) others from this army you all have, clearly violate the NPOV rules.  Let's leave the legit biography up with the controversy part you all keep reverting to.  I'm afraid simply reverting to the simplistic revert copy is considered vandalism and clearly violates NPOV.  Would you prefer the controversy part in another section of the biography?  Junia3 (talk) 03:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You've written a whitewash. Again. Your "legit biography" reads like professional PR copy and buries Yecke's controversies -which comprise the majority of the media accounts covering her- down in a "Controversies" section thereby violating both WP:NPOV and several of Wikipedia's other content guidelines. There's also the matter of whether you are affiliated with Reputation Defender which Yecke has hired to sanitize her online profile, a question that was put to you and you have avoided answering. That being so, I have to assume you are. Read WP:COI and limit your edits to the talk page here please. Odd nature (talk) 20:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've protected this because of the reverting. This version gives the strong impression of a promotional piece rather than an encyclopedia article. Please use the time to find a compromise that relies on good published sources. SlimVirgin talk|edits 21:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert Copy Violates NPOV 

message: To wit:
:Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
Pharyngula is a blog with no reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.  ScienceBlogs does not enact any sort of editorial control over its blogs as would reliable sources like a newspaper over its articles and columns.
:Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for fact-checking. Such sources include websites and publications that express views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, are promotional in nature, or rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions.
This describes Pharyngula to a T.  PZ Myers' views on conservatives, Christians and a host of other issues are entirely extremist and are nothing more than personal opinions.
:For that reason, self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable.
:"Blogs" in this context refers to personal and group blogs. Some newspapers host interactive columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control. Where a news organization publishes the opinions of a professional but claims no responsibility for the opinions, the writer of the cited piece should be attributed (e.g. "Jane Smith has suggested..."). Posts left by readers may never be used as sources.
As already stated, Pharyngula is a blog and there is no editorial control exerted over it by ScienceBlogs.
:Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications.
I seriously doubt Myers could be considered an expert on the issue of educators' employment and I have no doubt that he has never been published anywhere regarding the issue.
And finally, quite frankly, Myers' constant and primary use of invectives and pejoratives over substance makes Pharyngula extremely unsuitable for use as a source on Wikipedia. 67.135.49.85 (talk) 23:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Larry, is that you? --Wesley R. Elsberry (talk) 17:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's the other conservative blogging sockpuppeteer, Jinxmchue. Odd nature (talk) 19:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

text: This issue was already discussed above in the "Advocacy for Intelligent Design" section here. Usage in the article survived that, so I think that changing the main article without consideration of that is step 1 in an edit war. --Wesley R. Elsberry (talk) 17:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Myers is being quoted here solely as a relevant commentator given his area of expertise. His opinions are thus reasonably notable. Since we are quoting him only in that capacity there's no issue here. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If he were being quoted from a verifiable third-party reliable source, you would be correct. 67.135.49.85 (talk) 00:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Pharyngula is widely recognized as a reliable source at Wikipedia, used across the site. Give me a break. Odd nature (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "widely accepted" because anyone who rightfully challenges it finds themselves on the receiving end of you and the rest of the merry band of POV warriors. You just conveniently ignore that Pharyngula doesn't meet the criteria for RS or V. 67.135.49.85 (talk) 04:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Why?  It doesn't fit the criteria. 67.135.49.85 (talk) 00:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

text: So Jinxmchue is back at it as 67.135.49.85 now. Time to update his drawer of socks. Odd nature (talk) 19:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite what you and the other POV warriors think, I still don't have any control over the changes to the IP address. 67.135.49.85 (talk) 04:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Wow.  Leave a message up for nearly 3 days about the intention to remove non-V material and it's ignored.  Actually make the edit and you guys suddenly appear like locusts.  How pathetic!  If you opposed the edit proposal, why didn't you say so until I did it?  67.135.49.85 (talk) 00:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Trolling us now too? Move along, there's nothing here for you. Odd nature (talk) 00:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Jinxy, how's the weather up there in St. Cloud?  Warming up?  I bet the Global Warming situation is shortening up your winters.  OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 01:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in St. Cloud, genius. That's just where the ISP is. Not anywhere even near St. Cloud as a matter of fact. (I love that anonymity.) And, as a matter of fact, there was still snow on the ground in a few shadowed areas just this past week.  So much for global warming. 67.135.49.85 (talk) 04:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pharyngula does not meet WP:V 

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