Talk:M. N. Vijayan

message: hey  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.148.97.69 (talk) 18:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found this article through Special:Random and was put off by its bad quality. I fixed some stuff, mainly POV stances & wordings as well as formatting, but there still is a lot of work that needs to be done. To be true, though, I don't know if it is worth it. The article should probably be deleted if it isn't brought to the quality of a truly encyclopaedic article soon. zerofoks 11:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: POV concerns

message: I cleaned up some of the language and grammatical errors, but I have removed the clean up tag and related tags because I don't see how the article was really in that bad shape when I got to it. However, there are definite notability issues and no references, so I have put those tags there instead. Hope my edits were to everyone's satisfaction (though I didn't really change much) Jdcooper 17:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up 

message: M.N.Vijayan is fondly called Marxist Ideologe by the Communist Party activists.But,he has not made any original contribution to Marxism.He has been relying mainly on authors like Wilhem Reich.Unlike party leaders he did not use the classical marxist jargon of Class War.However,later due to his disagreement with some of the party leaders he has statrted saying that a revolutionary party should not open up its windows,as it would enable intruders to get in.He was removed from the editor position of party owned weekly after this criticism of party.
Mahesh Mangalat 06:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marxist Ideologue

message: If you read the archives of "M.N.Vijyan" page, it is clear editors have not done justice to this biography. Some text entered are not written with nuetral point of view. But the editors who removed are more biased as they just removed all write up instead of modifying without reason. M.N.Vijayan is one of the two most prominent living intellectuals of Kerala. The other person is Sukumar Azheekkode. M.N.Vijyan's contribution is not only as a CPIM intellectual. He got Sahitya Academy award in 1970s or 1980s. M.N.Vijyan is a mentor of many famous personalities including Punathil Kunhabdulla. Punathil Kunhabdullah is an anti Marxist. Infact there should be a separate paragraph to highlight this side of M.N.Vijayan's life. The number of people who visit M.N.Vijayan personally to take his advice is may be many thousands. If you go to Kodungallur Town and ask an autorickshaw driver they will tell you the truth. Wikipedia editors are simply becoming laughing stalks by acting with some other interests. It is clear from this page, some editors of this page have motive and they are not eligible to do that work.
*Hi, thanks for your comments, I'm sorry you feel that the editing on this article is too ruthless. However, it has to be said that the material that was removed was removed because it was almost exclusively opinion, specifically opinion that showed clear bias not befitting an encyclopaedia. Furthermore it was written in substandard English. If you are a fan of Mr Vijayan, then surely you of all people would desire that the article about him would be well-written, well-sourced and informative? Please help us to do this by adding relevant encyclopaedic information, but only if it is accompanied by a reliable source to back it up. Unsourced information and clearly biased text will be removed. Jdcooper 17:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impartiality of editors

message: Repeatedly we are getting unsigned comments and statements which are pov. Cluttered with red links that lead you nowhere; forgetting that this is a biography of a respectable living person. Disparaging comments and innuendos about other living people. The article is crying out for improvement or, deletion Weblogan 12:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the tag you placed on this page, because this is the talk page; tags should go on the article itself. On that note, the tag you placed, , does not seem appropriate because the article does not seem to be a completely negative biography. Yes, it could use sources, but that's no reason to place a speedy deletion tag on it. Now, your header for this comment says "Vote for Deletion." There is no more "Votes for deletion." That area has been renamed Articles for deletion, and if you want to start a discussion concerning deletion, you need to follow the instructions there, not place a speedy deletion tag on it. But, it sounds like you want the article to be improved... so deleting it would be unfavorable, no? Leebo T/C 12:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote for Deletion

message: Donot expect any sympathy, if your piece in Wikipedia is soapbox rabble rousing. Please see the following guidelines:
WP:SOAP
WP:NOT#SOAP
WP:NOT#SOAPBOX
WP:NOT#ADVOCATE
WP:NOT#OPINION] In short, Wikipedia is not a soapbox, a battleground, or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising. Therefore, Wikipedia content is not be anything but verifiable and NPOV. Internet provides places for soapbox oratory. Blog is a very good medium. But, certainly not encyclopedic articles. You can see reasons for deletion in edit summary and there will not be any change in policy if such misdemeanors are repeated. Also this page is not the only one that is subjected to propaganda of similar nature -- or the proxy war hoisted on wikipedia. please see Pinarayi Vijayan, equally virilant other side of this parochial gang war. Weblogan 02:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not Hyde Park 

message: I've tried to get rid of some of the red and excess blue and ugly links that were making this article look more intimidating than it really is. There's no need to link to any specific article more than once, perhaps twice, and no need to link to Vijayan himself. I did some other small format changes, hope everyone is happy with them. There are still some sentences that I really don't think make sense, but failing any specific knowledge I am kind of impotent to do anything to them. Jdcooper 12:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki-linking

message: To say that allegations raised against you are true if you lose a defamation case is stretching it too far. In this case the complainant was representing an organization and had, for the time being, failed to prove the charges. Nothing more; nothing less. On the same issue, there is also another case pending filed by  another individual against Vijayan et al for personally defaming him. English news tells it all. If no legit explanation forthcoming from the perpetrator of this POV attack,, an ip address 59.92.131.235, proposing to delete/edit the offending portion. Weblogan 00:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another POV Attack

message: First deliberate attempts to remove this very article. The argument -"not a famous personality". That tag removed very recently. One such contributor - who repeatedly removed the contents for reasons best known to him or her- later added: M.N. Vijayan received "Sahitya Akademy award" in 1980s. If contributor knew it, why demanded removal of page? And if knew Vijayan selected for award, then must know he refused award. So, there was a deliberate misguiding. how can wiki allow such people removing facts?
The Mathrubhumi of Oct 9 2007 reports what court said about imperialist funding. KSSP admitted in court- reluctantly though- they received foreign fund- and they have no permission to accept foreign fund. Mathrubhumi: this can put them behind bar for 5 years, as it is a violation of relevant rules of foreign funding. Now who are others in receipt of foreign funds? Center for Development Studies, Trivandrum and its then office bearers. 
Mathrubhumi Oct 9, does not name Thomas Isaac, but he was then responsible for receipt of foreign fund by CDS and is present finance minister, Kerala. How can a person,  who perhaps should sit in jail now- continue as finance minister? These are the issues, but only one sentence is included in the wikipedia- Court has approved M.N. Vijayan & Sudheesh' allegations. I dont see any reason why this can be removed from wiki.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.11.173 (talk) 16:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  misguiding readers 

message: In the name of citation don't give as reference any odd article. Encyclopedic articles should cite from tertiary sources. wikipedia is in the serious business of disseminating accurate NPOV accurate knowledge. Internet offers opportunities for 'fan' sites; buy a website.  Don't misuse wikipedia facilities, which is precious to many. Weblogan 02:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No POV pushing please

message: I have removed this again, as in its current form it is not encyclopaedic. All of the statements in it are opinions, which we cannot have in an encyclopaedia, and are not sourced, which they must be to remain in an encyclopaedia. Please read and ensure you understand the pages WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:OR before contributing again in this way. 
Furthermore, many of the recent additions to this article and talk page have been written in sub-standard English. While everyone is welcome to contribute to the English-language wikipedia, a certain level of ability in English is obviously important. There are many other language wikipedias for those who want to contribute but are struggling to do so here.
Lastly, there are definitely conduct issues here. Another page that it may be worth looking at is WP:AGF. Wikipedia does not work as well if everyone is attacking each other all the time. Jdcooper 15:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "guru and counsellor" section 

message: There doesn't seem to be a cause of death listed here?--Vylen (talk) 12:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: The article has hardly any tone issues. It is written, and lot of information is available on google on the subject. Some points editor can disagree, but over all it is good. removing "tone" comment, open to discussion and debate (Alex.mathews (talk) 23:40, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The article is of good quality & doesnt seem biased

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