Talk:Patricia Scotland

message: NPOV
"This treaty was signed in secret, any potential political interference silenced with the catch-all 'terrorism'...'The Natwest Three' case is astonishing in that the offence the three have been charged with are not typically extradition offences."
Not particularly neutral language about the use of the "terrorism" card and the use of "astonishing" implies a value judgement.
--Tarpy 02:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the NatWest Three mention is very inadequate. Personally I would just scrap it and start again. The important thing to keep in mind is that Baroness Scotland didn't negotiate the Treaty, and nor is she responsible for what the courts decide; she just happens to be responsible for implementing the Treaty now. David | Talk 10:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the article has been improved in terms of NPOV.  I have made some further changes to ensure that the detail is related to Baroness Scotland.  I feel the information, which I have removed, about Visas and the Irish Lobby on Congress would be better placed in the NatWest 3 article or elsewhere.  --Kelso21 16:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: It is stated that : "The Lord Chancellor in the Conservative government had intended to make Scotland a High Court Judge"
Is there a source for this suggestion?  While, in time, had she remained at the Bar and not entered politics, it is not impossible that Lady Scotland could have been appointed to the High Court Bench, she would only have been in her early 40s under the last Conservative Lord Chancellor.  This would have been considerably younger than age at which people were usually considered (let alone appointed) to the High Court Bench at that time.
Informed Owl 18:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appointment as High Court Judge 

message: Could somebody crop the picture? I'm not aware of the Baroness's sexuality, but the fact that she has "Lesbian Gay Bisexual" printed in very large letters right next to her certainly implies something, which we shouldn't be doing if it isn't true. As the original image is quite large anyway, a cropping of the extensive peripheral areas would allow for a larger and clearer picture of the subject anyway. Miremare 21:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Seriously - the portrait adds nothing at all to the article. In addition it is IMHO pretty hideous and I'd want to be very confident that the artist had given his/her permission. NBeale (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Portrait

message: The article says she is half Antiguan and half Dominican (despite being born in Dominica), it says her mother comes from the Dominican Republic, two completely different places.....is this correct?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.231.3 (talk) 12:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity

message: * Former whip Graham Stringer said that if Lady Scotland did not make a “principled resignation” she should be fired
--Mais oui! (talk) 12:53, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Labour MP calls for Baroness Scotland to be sacked 

message: There is something very confusing in this case that needs explaining please. Was she fined for actually employing an illegal immigrant or not? If she was then why is she and the BBC saying it was on the technicality of not copying the documents? Now I know the BBC are not always great but they would be performing a disgusting bit of journalism. BBC: "Should someone lose their job, they ask, just because they forgot to photocopy something?" and "Lady Scotland's error - and breach of the law - was not to make any copies." Someone please clarify what's going on. The legislation mentions keeping copies. Is the BBC just biased beyond belief? Surely the law isn't you have to keep copies of all documents of all non-EU nationals or you get fined? And surely the law can't be you can only be fined if they turn out to be illegal? --Chrisjwowen (talk) 22:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only are employers fined, but their names are added to a register that can be viewed on the UK government's website. This being the Government's name and shame policy. I am sure we are going to see her name on the register. 86.136.60.217 (talk) 00:00, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fine for hiring an illegal immigrant 

message: Chinese, African and European ancestors seem to be involved.
She is also known as Patricia Mawhinney.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.253.233 (talk) 10:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 

message: BBC news 24 is reporting that the housekeeper has denied that she was ever asked to present her passport in an interview with the mail on Sunday, I cant find sources verifying this however, anyone? Superpie (talk) 21:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Housekeeper refutes version of events 

message: I'm quite sure baronesses are always called Baroness XYZ, and never Lady XYZ like Baroness Scotland is in this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.242.216 (talk) 22:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You shouldn't be, guides on form of address, including those from the MOJ and House of Lords say either is acceptable. In fact, Lady X is more common, but Wikipedia tends to use "Baroness" for peeresses in their own right and "Lady" for wives of barons. -Rrius (talk) 22:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style 

message: This article is turning into a whitewash. At one point, Patricia implied that there were two passports involved.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.124.250 (talk) 16:23, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitewash 

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message: I see that someone noted this nearly 2 years ago, but concerns still stand especially as this increasingly threatens to turn into a proper news story.
There are numerous omissions that most likely stem from the subject or her staff interfering with the editing process. For example, the section on her time as AG lists in detail her (inconsequential) achievements but does not mention the fact that she was forced to resign in disgrace after being caught employing an illegal immigrant for less than the minimum wage. 
Similarly the section on the current controversies gives undue weight to her incredible denials, which are easily disproved by documents in the public domain. The Guido blog is far from the only outlet covering this and the article ought not imply that.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/baroness-scotland-shifts-blame-over-expensive-renovations-to-her/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3907280/Is-Baroness-Scotland-shameless-Chandeliers-cronies-33-000-paint-whistleblower-hounded-exposing-naked-greed.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3907198/Brazen-Baroness-Scotland-denies-misusing-public-money-Labour-peer-insists-mansion-s-taxpayer-funded-makeover-wasn-t-extravagant-despite-having-no-idea-cost.html
http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/topstory-Dominica-baroness-a-regional-embarrassment,-says-Antigua-PM-32416.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2097078/india-is-threatening-to-withdraw-commonwealth-funding-over-baroness-scotlands-spending/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2104424/spendaholic-baroness-scotlands-commonwealth-hq-had-to-bailed-out-by-taxpayers/
http://thewire.in/75686/amid-wave-controversies-around-commonwealth-chief-india-mulls-association-grouping/
Considering how crucial Wikipedia has (sadly) become to journalists and the number of political figures who have been caught editing their own entries I think it is worth being extra-cautious here. Thanks. 81.151.66.18 (talk) 13:32, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still a whitewash 

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message: Reading this article, I just don't understand what the purpose of the NatWest Three section is supposed to be. One red flag is that the only sources for this section are Hansard: a primary source, suggesting that the whole section is Original Research. There must have been lots of cases in the news while Scotland was in the Home Office, and the argument needs to be made as to why this particular case deserves mention in the article. My main complaint, though, is that I don't understand what the present text is trying to tell us about Baroness Scotland. "Scotland's view in 2005 [...] was contrasted by Clegg to comments which the Prime Minister had made in July 2006..." So a person expressed the view that a view expressed by Scotland was different from a view expressed at a different time by a different office of state? I don't know how this relates to the outcome of the case and why it is something important to know about the subject of this biography. 
Earlier on this Talk page, from 2006, is an attempt at justifying inclusion of the case: "I believe it is relevant to a biography, extremely so in fact and highly illustrative of legislation at work and their consequences to ordinary people" but this leaves me (and anyone else new to this topic) none the wiser. MartinPoulter (talk) 13:17, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  NatWest Three