Talk:James Cagney

message: 1.  Cagney Married Carolyn Nelson. 
2. The movie is "Angels with Dirty Faces" not wings ....
: Be bold! Get in there and fix those errors :) Dysprosia 21:50, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct anything you know is wrong. But check first! Your second correction is clearly in order, and I've just made it. But Frances Willard "Bill" Vernon married Cagney in 1922 and survived him, Carolyn Elizabeth Nelson was Cagney's mother! -- Someone else 22:07, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

text: Hmm, perhaps that's what he meant. I'll look into a bit more and try and work it into the article. Thanks! --20:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc. Errors

message: I'm glad Cagney got a postage stamp, but can't we get a better picture than that? Come on. There must be dozens of great and usable pictures on the net. Also there should be more than one, which can go next to the filmography. --Mantanmoreland 03:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: It is opinion and OR, unless one can cite it, to say that Cagney is remembered as a noir star or crime picture guy. He starred in a wide variety of roles, particularly in his later career. He won an Academy Award portraying George M. Cohan. It is more accurate to describe him as winning acclaim for a wide variety of roles, and I have changed the lead paragraph to say so. (P.S.why am I the only one using Talk?)-Mantanmoreland 20:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why 'remembered' 

message: Thank you for adding information to the Cagney article.  However, a couple of notes.  You made over forty minor edits in about an hour.  It would serve WP better if you would use the sandbox or other means to construct your submissions exactly the way you want them and then submit them, rather than several dozen tweaks in a row.  It makes it very tedious for others to follow your edits.  Also, even though you submitted much useful information, you have unfortunately slaughtered the grammar and understandability of the article.  Sentences now run into each other without sense, words are misused ("it's" for "its," etc.), and it will take someone a fair amount of time to correct these errors.  Perhaps you would be willing to go over the article now, sentence by sentence, and repair not the content but the grammar.  Thank you. Monkeyzpop (talk) 20:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kevin j's edits

message: Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers]] priority assessment

message: OK, so this article is currently at Start level, and has clearly a long way to go before we can get it on the front page. I've made a few changes to the lead and early life sections having just got hold of a bio. 
However, I think the that the whole things needs a considerable rewrite. I suggest that the career section needs splitting up, it should be the meat of the article and I really think it needs some subsections. Perhaps we could split it by stage, and then by film, possibly subdivided by studio/independent. Additionally, there are some stuff that come from the IMDB trivia section, which really isn't reliable. I'm hoping to get hold of his autobio and another bio of him over the next few days which hopefully will allow some better sourcing of stuff. I'll keep making more minor edits and other general stuff while hopefully we can reach a consensus here Ged UK (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, nobody has any comments, so I'll just make the changes. I've split the career section up into smaller chunks based on studio/independent status and filled out the Early Life and Early Career sections. I've just started on the first warner section. Ged UK (talk) 21:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm plodding on with this, not quite as fast as I hoped, but hopefully got a bit of time over the next few days to finish the main section, ie his movie career. Then I'll add a section on his politics/political involvement, which should help dent some of the trivia section, which I intend to get rid of. Ged UK (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cagney was a friend of Reagan etc. and contributed to the GOP (Newsmeat ref hidden for now in Categories template).  Newsmeat does not go way back, but I am pretty sure he was for Ike etc. as well. As I understand it, Cohan was also a Republican. Collect (talk) 11:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (I just left a comment on your talk page too) Thanks for that. There was a discussion on here about his politics, but it got deleted in the banned IP section below. I'll be sure to make ref to the newsmeat site when I get round to his politics, which isn't very well sourced in his Bios/autobio. --Ged UK (talk) 11:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As near as I can tell, he was counted as "left wing" during the 30s, but was angry at being labeled "Communist" which was apparently one of the reasons for doing YDD.  After the start of WW II (possibly as early as 1941) he appears to have changed his politics, and by the time of Reagan, labeled himself "arch-conservative."  I suspect many changed after WW II, the father of a close friend lost a professorship at Columbia in the early 50s, became a book dealer and a staunch capitalist!  Collect (talk) 13:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard the YYD/patriotism argument before, but I've not found anything that really backs it up. Where does that 'arch-conservative' quote come from? --Ged UK (talk) 13:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Yankee Doodle Dandy article helps to dispel the over-mythologizing of this issue. Keep in mind Reagan was an FDR liberal also. I recall how he spoke fondly of FDR even as he was running as a conservative. FDR offered hope to the average citizen, and the GOP offered nothing but despair. That's basically it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Though it does feel rather like OR to me, but the points are valid. --Ged UK (talk) 13:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What feels like OR? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole patriotism section seems to be OR, as someone has worked out dates etc. It's right, I think, but still OR. --Ged UK (talk) 14:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be specific. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:50, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually an interesting topic far too complex for here. FDR actually ran well to the right of Hoover (whose proposed works projects were derailed by the Dems -- see the 1932 Dem Platform "We advocate an immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures by abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus, and eliminating extravagance to accomplish a saving of not less than twenty-five per cent in the cost of the Federal Government."  at  http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/showplatforms.php?platindex=D1932 ). Wendell Willkie had been a Democrat until 1939 http://www.usfamily.net/web/timwalker/sitedocs/home.html and after his defeat was a close ally of FDR. FDR, by the way, did not consider himself a liberal particularly, but did view Henry Wallace and Huey Long as major problems in the Dem party. The whole story gets very convoluted indeed. Collect (talk) 13:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Also see http://books.google.com/books?id=UVfIKEqIkDMC&pg=PA46&dq=cagney+%22arch-conservative%22 (page 46).  Collect (talk) 13:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Ah, cool. I haven't got that far into that book yet. And my copy has a different page number, annoyingly. Which chapter? --Ged UK (talk) 19:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I used the 1976 Doubleday edition ... it, dear me you must know this on general principles, is in the last chapter <g>.  Collect (talk) 19:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the softback version. Pg 182 in mine, chp 13. I'll have a good read of it later. Thanks! --Ged UK (talk) 19:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In style, it reads like it was dictated to an assistant who organized it all. No real autobiography is so precise in all the sequences of events.  (ok, so I am a little cynical) Collect (talk) 01:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Needs political ref in article -- someone thought the cite in category list was insufficient. I thought you would probably do better at writing the full section. Collect (talk) 04:33, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Per talk with Ged, the ref was given as a placeholder, IIRC he intends to place the material indicating Cagney voted GOP from Dewey on in a section on Politics. The cites are from "Cagney by Cagney," his autobiography. A RS.  Thanks! Collect (talk) 13:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Road to Featured Article 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "Warren14" :
** Warren, p 119-130
** Warren, p 120-130
DumZiBoT (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: --Ged UK (talk) 13:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: I did take the "liberty" of adding the Jack Warner dubbing of him as an "againster" with cite to the lede ... it was actually used on several actors by him, it appears. Collect (talk) 13:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I came across one reference, when talking about the Merriam issue, where Warner refered to a professional against-er, and Cagney took it to mean him, though there's no guarantee! --Ged UK (talk) 13:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated your reference to the citation templates. If you have any more of the info to fill in on it (author, dates etc) i've left the blank fields in to add. Ta. --Ged UK (talk) 14:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  nice 

message: Stuyvesant H.S. would've been delighted to claim Cagney, but he graduated from Seward Park.
E A (talk) 18:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll have to check back over the sources, but I'm pretty sure what I wrote is what's sourced. Do you have another source that says different? Are the schools totally separate and always have been? GedUK  10:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm not doubting you, it's just difficult to include. I'll scour some of his other bios to see what I can find. It may well be that we have to put a note on .GedUK  15:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuyvesant 

message: Just a note about a possible error, I'll let y'all make the correction. In the second paragraph, the term 'hoofer' has a link to the article 'Dance' in which 'hoofer' does not appear. Using the Wiki search engine for 'hoofer' redirects to the article 'Tap Dance', the link should be corrected. i.e.» hoofer. Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.254.252 (talk) 02:50, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I'm not sure that hoofer should redirect to Tap Dance, I've always thought hoofer has a wider meaning than that, and I'm pretty sure Cagney was using it as a slang term for dancer anyway, but I think that's something that needs to be discussed somewhere else. Is there a wikidance project? I'll have a look later. GedUK  09:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is moot since the word is no longer in the article but just for the record, the Historical Dictionary of American Slang lists as the second definition of "hoofer": "Orig. Vaudeville, a dancer, usually a professional performer such as a tap-dancer."  While it's interesting that they use tap-dancer as an example, the definition indicates that other types of professional dancers are also hoofers.  Mnudelman (talk) 00:09, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoofer 

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message: Why isn't there one? 108.54.159.197 (talk) 23:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: He didn't do much or any theatre once he got into movies. Most of the notable theatre stuff is included in the prose, so I'm not sure that a table gets us much. GedUK  08:52, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theatre work table