Talk:Ashkelon

message: The rocket that hit the Ashkelon hospital did not hit it in may 2008 but earlier, in februray 08: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3512185,00.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.229.116.204 (talk) 19:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: rocket into hospital

message: The image on this page needs to be reset for a smaller size.
Brockthepaine 16:39, 25 Mar 2008
:Done - there was some change at WikiMedia which meant that this happened on many pages. The fix: simply to remove the px from after the image size although also in this case the 3 was missing from the main image. Thanks for flagging it up. Flymeoutofhere (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image Size

message: How pretentious that Ashkelon is Ashqelon in the English-language Wikipedia, to stroke parochial vanities. Wetman 16:22, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "official" spelling, but Ashkelon is the most common.--Josiah 01:02, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: Alright, I won't dispute it.  "Ashkelon" it is. - Gilgamesh 04:23, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Name: What is Ashqelon-Ashkelon

message: Please see comments regarding this matter at 
Thank you. IZAK 08:00, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues regarding using "Canaanite" as a "Hebrew" script 

message: See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#New "twist and turn" as "Hebrew alphabet" is switched to "Hebrew languages" concerning appropriate uses of the word "Hebrew" here. IZAK 05:33, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes of Hebrew definitions 

message: A large chunck of history between Byzantium and the Crusades needs to be filled in. --Yodakii 08:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Equaly important, a large chunk of history between 7th Century and 1948 needs to be filled in from the vantage point of its own culture and inhabitants. Al Majdal was not exactly a ghost town unless you consider Arabs or Muslims to be ghosts. It is for this reason that a separate page for AL Majdal is necessary in order to have freedom of thought and justice. This is not intended to be a political argument. I simply don't see how the current page here can survive a transition from a mind-set that is fixated on European events to another that is concerned with local events like any other functional city. It needs to address historical landmarks such as the shrine of Imam Hussein and the fountain of Job (Biblical figure) for example. Users who keep redirecting Al majdal seem to be in denial of the fact that others once inhabited the city for a very long period of time. And that many important historical events took place over there and would need to link to somewhere when the topics are written and cleaned. Thank you for your consideration. HAE
this text has been reverted into a very empty version:
Ashkelon (; Tiberian Hebrew ʾAšqəlôn;  ; Latin: Ascalon) is a city in the western Negev, in the South District of Israel. It was established on the area of an the ancient Philistine (an non-semitic sea people unrelated to todays people by similar name). Ashkelon is seaport on the east coast of the Mediterranean Sea just north of Gaza, close to the ruins of the ancient city which existed for over 5000 years. There are about 117,000 citizens in the city. The anciant city was detroyed at 604 BC by the Babilonian king Nbochadnezar and again during the Arab conquest in 1270 AD. An Arab settlement called "Al-Mijdal" was established on the site after the original area was destroyed completely by the Mamluke king Biberes after it had served as a Crusader base. There remained a large Jewish population in the town until the Crusaders invaded the region in 1153. This was the remnant of the population into which Hordus the king had been born, the Jewish King who rebuilt the Second Temple, and also invested in much building efforts in Ashkelon. The city is home to several startigic facilities such as a power plant, a small harbor and one of the world largest de-salinization plant - all located at the southern end of the city. Recently, the area has been a target of Palestinian Kasam rockets fired from Gaza.
i figure there's some good info here which needs to be readmitted, i will maybe give it a go at a later date. Jaakobou 05:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I am really not sure why all this Mijdal info is in this article.
Ashkelon is a city that existed from biblical times and now a city in modern israel.
Mijdal is a Palestinian village/town that was near by (a bit inland) and no longer exist - it dersve it;s own article like many non exist Palestinians towns. 
Sure but Mijdal is a town that has been icluded by the the growing city of Ashkelon.
Furthermore in its present day it isnt in possesion of the Palestinian authority, and neither is it included within the 1967 boundaries, nor the armistice line.
Zeq 15:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashkelon is NOT Mijdal 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:AshkelonLogo.jpg

message: Stop declaring lies based on propaganda books about the city of Ashkelon. 
Whoever is responsible for this page should not allow people to write fake context under disguise of quoting serious books.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativityisme (talk • contribs) 04:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop anti Israeli propaganda on this page. 

message: This article has major POV issues, particularly in the Modern History section.  If the information is verifiable, it needs to be worded much differently.  I have not seen such a bad case of NPOV on Wikipedia in quite a while.
:If only every Wikipedia article had "a bad case of NPOV"... ;-) -- ChrisO (talk) 08:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major POV Issues 

message: The Persian period is missing, including the amazing dog cemetery that is the largest ancient burial place for dogs ever found.  Someone please add! Zerotalk 11:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian period 

message: From the lede: "In the course of its history, it has been ruled by the Canaanites, the Philistines, the Israelites, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Phoenicians, the Romans, the Persians, the Egyptians, the Muslims, the British and the Crusaders."
Which "Muslims" is this talking about?  Given that all the rulers listed are nations/states/specific ethnic groups, shouldn't "Muslims" be replaced with whichever specific Muslim nation(s)/state(s)/people(s) were ruling it.
Also, what British rule is it talking about?  I could see no other mention of the British in the article.  Does it mean the early 20th century Palistinian Mandate (in which case why is it listed before the Crusaders), or something else?
Wardog (talk) 11:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point. "British" in this region is synonymous with the mandate, I moved it to last. As Saladin's rule is usually referred to as Egyptian, this leaves "Muslim" to be the Ottoman Empire. I corrected it as such. The lead still needs work, it is too cumbersome and repeats too much material from later in the page. I will correct it later today if someone doesn't beat me to it. --Muhandes (talk) 11:54, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Forgot something. Maybe the Mamluks should be mentioned. I'll look into it later today. --Muhandes (talk) 11:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of rulers 

message: I deleted:
:Around 1163 Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela visited Ashkelon and found about 200 rabbinate Jews living there.^ 'Early Travels in Palestine, comprising the narratives of Arculf, Willibald, Bernard, Saewulf, Sigurd, Benjamin of Tudela, Sir John Maundeville, De la Brocquiere, and Maundrell. Editor Dr. Thomas Wright. 1848. pub. Bohn, London. page 87. 'This city is very large and handsome'.
Reason:  This is a mistake.  What Benjamin wrote was "From there it is five parasangs to Palmid, which is Ashdod of the Philistines, now in ruins; no Jews dwell there. Thence it is two parasangs to Ashkelonah or New Askelon, which Ezra the priest built by the sea. It was originally called Bene Berak. The place is four parasangs distant from the ancient ruined city of Askelon. New Askelon is a large and fair place, and merchants come thither from all quarters, for it is situated on the frontier of Egypt. About 200 Rabbanite Jews dwell here, at their head being R. Zemach, R. Aaron, and R. Solomon; also about forty Karaites, and about 300 Cuthim."  So Benjamin was describing a place quite some distance from Ashkelon.  Four parasangs is about 22 km, greater than the distance from Ashkelon to Ashdod.  Zerotalk 23:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benjamin of Tudela, explain deletion 

message: Greetings,
The heading says "Roman" era, but what is mentioned is Persian, Greek, and Roman "eras".
Also, not much of the "Roman" or Byzantine eras is actually discussed.
Then, there's no mention of the first Islamic conquest in the 600s A.D.
76.17.118.157 (talk) 02:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History: eras missing

message: Perhaps the kind people of wikipedia could include information (under "Landmarks") about the recent discovery of a Roman Era Statue, a ruined bath house,and a ruined mosaics. This was after a storm hit Askelon's Beach around December 15 2010. I found it on The CNN website. Sorry, no link. Thanks NDGKH (talk) 00:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Discoveries  

message: A user at IP address 129.98.208.150 added, at the top of that section of the article, a comment saying: 
(This narrative reflects the view of revisionist historian Benny Morris, and has not been verified as fact)
There is no way I will get involved with an Israel–Palestine argument, but since I removed the commentary from the article itself, I thought it fair to post the IP editor's complaint on the talk page. If anyone else sees the use of Morris as a problem, here's the place to discuss it. A. Parrot (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Honesty51 added "The following represents the opinion of historian Benny Morris", which is practically the same thing. Do you know a good way to tell the user that adding that commentary is not appropriate on Wikipedia? David1217 (talk) 22:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benny Morris and the "State of Israel" section 

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message: Zep 2:4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up  
Should not this be noted?  Yes, or no?  Why, or why not?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.87.16 (talk) 19:50, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  mentioned in the Bible? 

message: The Byzantine section is using Ascalon - any reason?
jde 188.164.224.203 (talk) 15:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ascalon 

message: Programme on Discovery History 28.06.2015: "Exploring the possibility that child murder was common in the ancient world, following the discovery of a mass grave containing 100 skeletons in the sewers of a Roman bath house." jde188.164.224.203 (talk) 16:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost Children of Roman Ashkelon 

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message: I can nowhere find source that Morris claimed that Ashkelon had been "occupied in 1948"Ashkelon is not occupied under international law. I proposed a neutral wording like "taken" which does not have legal connotation.Tritomex (talk) 19:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The first page of the source refers to "the occupying Israeli force".  It was in the Arab section under the partition plan.  Whether it is considered occupied or not today is entirely irrelevant. Zerotalk 23:55, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Occupied Ashkelon in 1948

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message: A citation is required, at this point:  "As it was the last of the Philistine cities to hold out against Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II. When it fell in 604 BC, burnt and destroyed and its people taken into exile, the Philistine era was over."
The destruction on the city in 604 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar II can be found in the Babylonian Chronicles (BM 21946 obv. 18-20), edited by Wiseman 1961 (first ed. 1956), p. 68f. with notes at p. 85 and time table at p. 47. This at least partly covers the statement.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.245.118.30 (talk) 12:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  History, destruction 604 BCE, "citation needed" 

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message: In the first section, the phrase -the remaining Arabs were deported by the 1950s. There is no reference. Whether people left on their own accord, or were forcibly deported is an extremely important distinction and without any reference, I find it doubtful that the number of people who left on their own accord and the people who were deported is known which such certainty to make an absolute statement like that.  Eframgoldberg (talk) 01:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It said "evicted" rather than "deported", but "deported" is more correct as they were sent to Gaza. By the style guidelines, the lead section does not need citations if those are provided by the body of the article. You can find them in the State of Israel section. Zerotalk 04:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed tag needed in first section.  

message: As of 2018-19, the mayor is no longer Itamar Shimoni, Tomer Glam was elected mayor in the 2018 regional elections.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egormat1 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update to the Mayor of Ashkelon 

message: Hello. I ask permission to add the Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic name of Ashkelon to the article under the heading of 'Canaanite settlement' with references from hieroglyphic dictionaries. --CaeserKaiser (talk) 14:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hieroglyphic name 

message: Do we need such details about the 1948 war in the lead? Zarcademan123456 (talk) 07:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: In the opening paragraph, add "Israelite" before and after "Philistine". The Israelite's evolved out of the Canaanites, therefore they should come before Philistines. The Philistine's, who were likely a Greek related people who came from the sea supplanted the Israelite's for a few centuries before themselves being assimilated into the Iron Age Israelite culture. Therefore, Israelite should come after Philistine as well. Also, Persians should come before the Hasmonean's, Greek's and Roman's. Jaketheforestdude (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 May 2020 

message: Someone please remove the image recently added which is repeated in this section.--Aroma Stylish (talk) 03:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  16:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 June 2020 

message: Please add External Link:
* English information on Ashkelon—Ashkelon Volunteers
Please remove dead External Link:
* Pictures of Ashkelon—Holy Land Pictures Rehovot (talk) 08:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , and thank you very much – good catch! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 09:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 October 2020 (2) 

message: Regarding the citation needed here: "When it fell in 604 BCE, burnt and destroyed and its people taken into exile, the Philistine era was over.[citation needed]"
The Babylonian Chronicle reads as follows:
He (Nebuchadrezzar) marched to the city of Ashkelon and captured it in the month of Kislev. He captured its king and plundered it and carried off [spoil from it . . .] He turned the city into a mound and heaps of ruins and then in the month of Sebat he marched back to Babylon. [BM 21946, 18–20] Babylonian Chronicle, D. J. Wiseman (1956:68, 85)
There is also extensive discussion in the archaeological report Stager LE, Master DM, Schloen DJ. (2011) Ashkelon 3: The Seventh Century B.C. Available here: https://hmane.harvard.edu/publications/ashkelon-3
--RasakiA (talk) 12:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philistine settlement 

message: I cannot find any source for the Philistine language pronunciation  of . If there is no source for this pronunciation, it needs to be removed from the page. Antiquistik (talk) 00:15, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philistine pronunciation 

message: In September 2021 2022, the following was deleted by Nableezy:In July 2010, a Grad rocket hit a residential area in Ashkelon, damaging nearby cars and an apartment complex. It seems to be part of the history of the town and had been in the article since 2010.XavierItzm (talk) 11:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't have been in the article to begin with, and I support its removal now. As an event in the history of this city, it is way too minor. Zerotalk 11:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Ashkelon is an ancient city, and you think a 2010 rocket strike is "part of the history of the town"? Thats just silly, and it doesnt matter how long its been in the article. nableezy - 16:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long-term history deleted 

message: change the description to remove the mention of Ashkelon being a “ancient Levantine metropolis”.
Why? because other cities in Israel, including it’s northern neighbour Ashdod do not have a description that mentions their ancient history so why should Ashkelon? even then many of the ancient philistine cities were important in ancient times including but not limited to Ashkelon so this seems a bit odd. 2A02:14F:2:C3BE:9598:D9B2:A23C:7E59 (talk) 06:26, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 February 2023 

message: "On October 10, 2023, Abu Obaida, spokesperson for Hamas, warned all citizens of Ashkelon to evacuate before 5:00 P.M. local time via a post to his Telegram channel. Once the deadline hit, Hamas launched hundreds of missiles towards Ashkelon."
This did not happen the cited Yahoo News source has nothing to do with this. Icantthinkofaname22 (talk) 00:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all in the source except for the "hundreds". I replaced that. Zerotalk 04:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done: , can you provide a quote from the T&F source that supports this? My reading of the source is that it doesn't seem to mention any etymology. Please reopen this edit request afterwards. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!  15:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I have deleted the unsourced etymology claim. I don't see a clear source for what you want to add either, so I'm not adding it. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Thanks, that's a start. I'll try to find an explicit source for what is fairly common knowledge in Israel Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 02:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Innacuracy