Talk:Chen Duxiu

message: Hey guys,
I noticed that some of you have changed the opening of your Wikipedia entry from standard paragraph to bullet points.  Bullet points can summarize things and are very efficient and it does have its place, but definitely not in the lead paragraph. (JMSC0101 TA - Li) Lfcho 16:29, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead paragraph missing 

message: Please click the "plus" sign next to the "edit this page" button if you wish to add something to the talk page.  Right now you are cluttering the page.
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I removed your link because it is not in English, thus does not belong on the English side of the page.  I've done all the edits recently as a request by another user on the cleanup page.
If you read the history, you would see why I did everything I did.  "Back to the top" links are not used in wikipedia articles, so there's no need to add them as they clutter things up. Tom 01:51, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
:Again, use the plus sign to add comments to the discussion page.
It is great to see you all working on this article.  It isn't looking bad, but please stick around for several months so you can see it to a truly respectable end. Tom Haws. Tom - Talk 21:58, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the talk page 

message: Chen used different methods, such as concentrating (集中傳播), combining (組合傳播) and serial (連續傳播) publication in writing the articles to promote ideas.
:I'm sorry, I can't understand this, can some one say it differently? Its from the section currently titled "Writing style". Thanks, Sam [Spade] 22:37, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed from text 

message: There needs to be more on this. See: , , ,  etc... Sam [Spade] 01:26, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dismissed from leadership of party 

message: I have removed the link to "New Wave" from the Crisis with Hu Shih section as New Wave is a disambiguation page, and it appears the "new wave" referred to in this article is not currently defined on an article or on that dab page.  If this was a movement worthy of an article itself, you are invited to create/locate it and add it to the disambiguation page. OliverL 08:39, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "anti-new wave ideology" 

message: From the article:
:Chen was an exceptional student, but this lack of formal education resulted in a lifelong tendency to advocate unconventional beliefs and criticize traditional ideas.
Wait- are we saying that having unconventional beliefs is the natural result of being uneducated?! - Eric (talk) 22:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He did not lack a formal education in any sense.  This sentence has since been edited to reflect what (I believe, based on my understanding of his biography) the original author must have meant.Ferox Seneca (talk) 03:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unconventional Beliefs 

message: To be independent instead of servile 
To be progressive instead of conservative 
To be aggressive instead of retrogressive 
To be cosmopolitan instead of isolationist 
To be utilitarian instead of impractical 
To be scientific instead of visionary 
This is not really a precise translation.
It is more precise to translate it as thus:
To be autonomous instead of slavish
To be progressive instead of conservative
To be proactive instead of hermitical
To be global instead of isolationist
To be pragmatic instead of facetious
To be scientific instead of imaginative  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.97.152 (talk) 23:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Better Translation

message: The photo named "Chen Duxiu" and placed here actually portrayed Zhang Shizhao (check the Chinese Wiki). I did the correction, but not on the Wikimedia. Be careful--Shanghainese (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  someone is messing around 

message: The man in the left side of the photograph is Hu Xiansu,not Chen Duxiu. 
please visit the site .
All my loving (talk) 10:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A wrong name of the man in the photograph 

message: Mao was not Chairman till much later.  1931 for the Chinese Soviets and the 1940s as Chairman of the Party.  So there was certainly no succession and I changed this to 'none'.--GwydionM (talk) 09:58, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession as Chairman 

message: (These thoughts aren't mine: they were added to the article but later [correctly] removed as unsourced and POV.  I am only adding it here because it may be interesting to future editors, and because it may be genuine.  This post has been given some minor edits for prose, grammar, and punctuation before re-posting.)
"Chen's wife and children migrated to America some time after his death. They lived in obscurity due to the CCP's negative portrayal of Chen Duxiu, and its efforts to undermine his accomplishments after the Comintern expelled him from the party for the 1927 collaboration collapse incident. His children went their separate ways upon arriving to the 'States. Chen's current known descendant is named Chan Da Wei (David Chan), born on Sept. 13, 1985 and currently residing in New York City with a degree in Computer Science. 
It is firmly believed by the family that the CCP required a scapegoat at the time of the 1927 incident and with his declining popularity among the public and CCP members alike, and it was relatively easy to blame the Party's difficulties on Chen. Slandering Chen became a tactic of high-profile CCP members to further their own political agendas in front of the public. Chen was continuously slandered after the founding of PRC in 1949, when Chen was made an example "to warn Communist Party members not to deviate from party orthodoxy" and compared to Mao's enemy, Peng Zhen. 
Although Mao Zedong may have done many great feats, causing millions of deaths is another thing: the ends do not justify the means. Chen and Mao both may have strongly believed initially in what they were doing. They both believed that they were doing it for the good of the people, but by no means would Chen have sacrificed others like Mao did, just to achieve something of it, and yet Chen Duxiu's name was only invoked time and again to be used as a steppingstone for improving Mao Zedong's image and political stance by his followers after so many people have died for it. 
Chen's descendants cannot help but wonder about the irony here: why was Mao able to speak as if he had the "Mandate of Heaven", while Chen was persecuted so easily and was forced to leave his homeland in the end? The family, however, is grateful towards the "subsequent generations of Chinese who have since re-assessed Chen's contributions to Chinese Communism as being somewhat more positive," rather than how he was portrayed by the CCP. The recognition of Chen's achievements brings back what was stripped and stolen away by others, a sense of honor and justice where it is due. 
To be honest, the CCP is just as corrupt as any other government in those days. They may have striven to do good in the beginning, but at some point they became corrupted from within. They were so caught up with their personal ideologies that they eventually got consumed by it and forgot all about the people that those ideals were made for in the first place. I do not know what the current CCP is like, but that is just my personal opinion. I am Chan Da Wei, grandchild of Chen Duxiu, and these are my thoughts.
- David Chan
Ferox Seneca (talk) 23:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
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