Talk:Timeline of file sharing

message: what, no word about eMule?!? it remains one of the largest p2p networks today. 62.0.186.85 (talk) 19:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  eMule 

message: Shouldn't there be something about IRC on here? 80.177.208.41 21:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article already mentions IRC, DCC and XDCC. What more would you expect? --Easyas12c (talk) 20:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IRC 

message: What should one cite when he states that a specific piece of software was originally published/announced at some time? Is it good enough to cite some web page were the developers state it. Maybe a link to some download site with an old time stamp be a good source? The article has lots of these and they will not get fixed unless someone states out the requirements. --Easyas12c (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anything will suffice. Some of the information I added is based on posts in obscure forums unrelated to file sharing. The information isn't at all controversial, and is minor, so just about anything will do (though more credible sources are preferred). –MT 03:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial Publication of Some Software 

message: I've used the following as rationale for non-free logos on the pages of those logos:
"Given that the company or technology
* is important to the chronology,
* is identified by many readers in such contexts primarily by its logo or brand, and
* does not limit the owner's rights, or profitability, 
the use of the image is covered by the relevant fair use laws."
I should probably clarify more, though. A good timeline should be supplemented by images. Two examples of this are Timeline of Apple products and Timeline of Apple II family. This article is not about physical products which we can take pictures of, so we use logos instead. This is what a logo does - it identifies a company or product in the same way a face identifies a person. The Kazaa ruling story in wikinews uses the logo for exactly the same purpose. It is about that company, so it uses the logo to identify the company. So,
* In this context, using logos to identify companies/programs important to a chronology is fair use
and further,
* No one company is given favor, and logo use is based on popularity.
* There are many readers who will remember and identify the subjects of this timeline by mascot, colors, and logo. The reaction we want is "hey, I remember using that thing", and not "Sharman? FastTrack? Kazaa? ... hmm, I remember, but is it talking about the same thing I used back in 2004?".
* Some of the logos used are under free licenses.
This doesn't mean that we should plaster the timeline with logos, but the major networks, programs, and services (mp3.com, audiogalaxy, napster; gnutella, edonkey, fasttrack; bittorrent, suprnova, piratebay, mininova) should be identified. –MT 23:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, the time line can be augmented with images like any other article, example are the crowds protesting for something at the trials. Logo's don't convey much extra information to the time line, they just repeat the entity name, in fact they detract and focus attention needlessly on particular entities. How is No one company is given favor, and logo use is based on popularity not favoritism? Kbrose (talk) 18:00, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Because the criteria are impartial, and based on notability. If logos did not convey extra information, then why do we use them prominently in infoboxes?   M  05:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Not only that, it's our general practice to avoid using logos and other non-free media in list articles or list-like elements. The name of the company is sufficient to identify it; the logo may look nice but is unnecessary. (ESkog)(Talk) 18:12, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Timeline of Apple II family uses images to identify those specific manufactured goods. Logos are used to identify companies.   M  05:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But all of the images on that other timeline are free. That's a critical difference. (ESkog)(Talk) 11:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have provided a valid fair use rationale on the image page of each of the included images (my first three points above). This makes them as free as when we use them at the top of their articles. Does that cover the objection, or did I misunderstand?   M  20:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of logos in the article 

message: http://www.google.com/trends?q=shareaza,+limewire,+bearshare,+mininova,+pirate+bay
Statistics for Shareaza don't really matter on their own - it could have 3 million users, but if the other networks have 7 million, it's just not notable enough. Mute is the single biggest client on the mute network, but that doesn't mean we should include it. Shareaza might be popular, etc., but it's not in the same league. –MT 19:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Shareaza has about 200k users. Bpringlemeir (talk) 19:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor networks and statistics 

message: If you find any sort of semi-reliable stats, for any network, add them directly to this list the list in the article.   M  23:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats 

message: The dates in the MMM dd format do not increase readability of the date over MMM/dd format, but the do make it harder for the reader to pick out concretely where the date ends and the sentence begins. The date is not beautiful, but short of turning the whole thing into a table (which makes editing very difficult), it's the best way to separate the date from the wording.   M  05:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, mmm dd is much more readable, in addition no one writes dates the way you did, no one has trouble reading dates in every day life this way. This has been complained about before it seems. Dates are clearly separated from the text by hyphens. Kbrose (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can't distinguish it from the surrounding text, while mmm/dd, for its slash, is immediately obvious as a date. This isn't everyday life.   M  12:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: EZTV (www.eztv.it) continues to be a very important source of torrents related to television. This is especially true for Television produced in the United States.
Because of this, it should be added to the timeline.
Supexcellency (talk) 01:09, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  EZTV 

message: There is a claim in the article that CBBS was the first BBS. Clearly incorrect as there were numerous BBSs in the previous decade on ArpaNet. Although I was a moderator on one and used others, I can't use that as a source as that would violate WP:OR. I don't know any sources since the ArpaNet was little talked about prior to the DARPA creation. That is why I softened the language to say "an early" instead of "the first." My language is correct no matter what the facts. The current language is debatable. Objective3000 (talk) 01:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder what you define a BBS as?  I generally think of it as a dial-in modem pool that is connection oriented with a simple text interface.  I know that there were several telnet session type 'BBS's that existed on the Internet.  The idea of this reference is that IP based connectivity was not available to many people prior to the 1990s.  There were only about 10,000 hosts on the Internet in 1989.  Things like AOL, CompuServe, and FidoNet had many more active users.  There is a claim in the CBBS article that it is the first BBS.  Part of this may be due to a definition of what a BBS is.  Some of the pages support this with references; although they do not appear to be high quality references.  I think that CBBS could be the first 'direct dial BBS'.  As this applies to the history of file sharing, I think that direct dial BBS's were more important to file sharing prior to 1990, especially when combined with phreaking and protocols like ZModem, Sea-link, kermit, etc.  If you can find a terse version of this to put in that entry, that is fine by me. Bpringlemeir (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

text: See the article on Bulletin board systems.  Most of my points above are noted in the introduction of that article.  So if this small claim in the timeline of filesharing is wrong, then so are the articles CBBS and Bulletin board system.  If so, we should fix all of them, but I think you need a good rational.  Bpringlemeir (talk) 16:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  First BBS 

message: The image :File:EDonkey2000 logotype.gif is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here.  In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page.  Please check
:* That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
:* That this article is linked to from the image description page.
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --07:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:EDonkey2000 logotype.gif

message: An image used in this article, , has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests January 2012 
;What should I do?
Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.
* If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
* If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.
This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 19:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: File:Pro piracy demonstration.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: 2014 had some pretty notable news to do with filesharing:
·Pirate Bay raided and down for the longest time in its history. Devs unsure of its future.
·UK ISPs such as BT block hundreds of filesharing sites Some sites only available through TOR network
·ISOhunt shutdown
·Mininova shutdown
https://torrentfreak.com/archives/ contains hundreds of very notable stories and events in the filesharing world
Elliott Stanley Music (talk) 23:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates? 

message: Promo catalogs company kingdom credit 24.129.191.170 (talk) 11:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  YoutubeTV 

message: The name got me curious and the link led to this page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_juice
Maybe the Wiki page was deleted? And so it's redirecting to literal apple juice instead of the software 49.37.159.55 (talk) 02:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  AppleJuice redirects to literal Apple Juice as in the fruit Apple's juice