Talk:List of species in fantasy fiction

message: I thought Dragonball Z is science fiction and that (most of?) the species listed are aliens?  Perhaps list of aliens would be a more appropriate place for them?
:defenitely not science fiction. i dont know what all those manga shite would be...an odd mutilation of fantasy i guess, but dragonball z has little science fiction. aliens, yes, but based on extrapsychic abilities rather then extratechnology.--Lygophile 03:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Early Dragonball was based more closely on Chinese fable (or fantasy) with several science fiction items thrown in, but from Dragonball Z, it became more of science fiction with magical items thrown in. However, the key item throughout the series, Dragonballs are magical items with no technological explanation. Also, the important plot line of being brought back from death cannot be done by anything but Dragonballs makes it a fantasy. --Revth 08:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dragonball Z

message: On another note, this list is quite crufty, arbitrary, and possibly mostly inaccurate. It would be better handled by just the category system (:Category:Fictional species). --Mrwojo 20:56, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts exactly.  My reasoning on the category system is that experts for each individual article will have a better understanding of what kind of species it is.  Recently, I noticed on another "List of X" that some of the articles listed did not consider themselves an "X" and were more accurately categorized. --Mrwojo 22:22, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Category?

message: Why isn't Elf in this list? I'd edit, but it seems so surprising to be missing that I'm guessing there's a good reason. Ben Arnold 01:07, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think elf isn't in the list to avoid overlap with List of species in folklore and mythology, since elves/elfs arent really atributable to any one source (Tolkien popularized them but didnt invent them). there's now a paragraph above the list stating something to that effect. Nateji77 07:13, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: I redirected the link to "Elves in fantasy literature", an article dealing with that phenomenon. For other races that have been loaned from real world folklore or myth (probably the majority of creatures in this list, if obscure), the link should go to XXX in fantasy literature, e.g. Dwarf#Dwarves_in_modern_fantasy_fiction
Jorganos (talk) 13:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elf 

message: Just so nobody shouts at me, I'll warn you here: I'm gonna add a few species from The Edge Chronicles, if that's OK. I'm making a list of Animals of the Edge Chronicles anyway.--Ninty 21:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edge Chronicles 

message: why do I see gelatinous cube listed in here? there's no way one could be either a player-character or NPC. At most, it could be a mount, but a gelainous cube is purely an unintelligent monster to be fought. If we listed every single monster in the most common fantasy settings, then what would be the point of this article? Then it would become a beastiary, which this is not. Therefore, I'm going to go ahead and remove anything that has no chance of being any sort of character instead of monster. Blueaster 19:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  character races only 

message: Elfs in traditional folktales and mythology might not have a place in this list, but the Elves invented by Tolkien, popularized by Dungeons and Dragons, and then spread throughout the entire industry of RPGs are a staple of modern fantasy fiction and should be included in this list.
Blueaster 19:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: elves actually were not invented by tolkien, by his own claim. the apendices mention that he hated shakespears elfs which he invented, and claims that the 'mansize' elves he uses existed prior to them.--Lygophile 03:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Elves... 

message: About the refusing to list races that come from mythology or folktales: We have to realize that many authors adapt existing names and words to name the elements of their own worlds. Many different races from different stories all share the same name. For example, in Elfquest, elfs are short aliens who live in tribes in the world of two moons and have 8 fingers. In Harry Potter, elfs are fairy- or goblin-like slaves. In Dungeons and Dragons, elves are shorter than humans, have angular faces, and meditate in place of sleep. In LOTR, they live forever.
Dungeons and Dragons: Races to be placed here would be the basic races given in the Player's Handbook, prominent subraces such as drow and deep gnomes, orcs and goblinoids, and any humanoids or outsiders or mixes that seem relatvively easy to integrate into a campaign as Player-Characters
Harry Potter: I'm suprised that "hippogriph" was listed as a race here... I thought that the difference between magical beasts and people was pretty clear-cut within the Harry Potter universe... I think it was spelled out in that kinda official paperback that's named after one of the magical creatures textbooks in the stories... Just anything that seems intelligent enough such as goblins, house elfs (maybe), mermaids, giants, etc.... Although centaurs are listed as magical beasts becaue they chose to be considered that way.
It would be a good idea to show where there's overlap and usage of the same races in different settings....
Also, we need to have more literary examples instead of games... unless we want to change this into "List of species in Fantasy Games"Blueaster 20:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggested guidelines 

message: I notice that when you click on a race of species from a game it leads you directly to the game.Anker99 00:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all species have enough background information and/or lore to form a separate article even if that particular species is a very central character in the work of fiction. I wouldn't worry about this unless it leads you to a completely unrelated article.--Revth 08:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Races lead to the game. 

message: The Nazgûl should probably be taken out of this list. They are not a 'race' or species at all. Just a group of nine humans, who became kind-of-ghosts. 217.95.233.218 10:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not species

message: this really really needs to be cleaned up i saw a Race from south park and like 10 others that were not Fantasy i plan on deleting Crab-people, Chao Digimon Eloi Metroid Puffle
Pokémon Shai Halud all of these are Science Fiction except crap ppl from south park there are also alot more on there that i dont want to delete but wondor why they are there like the stuff from Super mario bros.Someone sould add warning to the page telling people to only add Fantasy races to it no Science fiction —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lotharsrevenge (talk • contribs) 06:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WTF?

message: I've placed the list into a table, to allow sorting by column. Hope that pleases. -- Quiddity (talk) 23:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Table

message: A species implys that something is  capable of reproducing right?
would not this remove any creatures created by magic? i wanted to dicuss this before i start deleting stuff  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lotharsrevenge (talk • contribs) 06:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few

message: Horrible, horrible list. How does 'skeleton' qualify as a species? There was a link to Appa, which is really a Sky Bison, which is a species with only one member left in a random Nickelodeon TV show. Why does the Sky Bison merit its own row? And if it does, then how is the content of this page really going to be useful to anyone? Skinrider (talk) 14:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Horrible

message: Maaaan, I thought this had been vandilised, heh. Not to be annoyin' atches or anything, but cant you'se do something a little more agreeible? I mean, you've got piddly races like stuff with 30,000 letters in it that we're only mentioned once ever and some of them only have ONE left anyway, but your neglecting elves and humans?
You should make it "List of Major Species in Fantasy Fiction" seriously. 'Cause, like, we dont need all this wierd stuff. Nobody actually cares, do they? About wierd things like that. And I suggest you put in thing that are real or used in mythology too. Just 'cause Elves were messing around in one of the Norse heavens since the year 1 or whatever doesn't mean they're not fantasy TOO. And dwarves and humans and the only ones people actually give a toss about!! 
And I was going to complain about lack of races from books like Terry's discworld and Michale Moorcocks, uh, books, but then I realised they weren't particularly inventive with their races. But, hush. 
And; Boo from Mario? I like Boo but, really!! ^_-
And try not get offended by that, as some of ye's tend to. I'm sorry if ye' did. I didn't mean it. I really do think your great. ^_-  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.130.218 (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Heh