Talk:Proletariat

message: I think this article should be merged with working class and turned into a redirect. As far as I know, "proletariat" is synonymous with "working class" and simply indicates the use of Marxist theory. I think that "proletariat" (or Marxist theory) could be made into a subsection of "working class" and this page could act as a redirect. Other's have suggested merging working class into social class. AdamRetchless 17:20, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There can be quite a historical confusion. At Marx times working class meant primarily physical workers. An engineer was not a proletarian, although he didn't own means of production. Over time, the notion became more and more blurred. The same engineer from one side was a "lackey of capitalist", but from the other side he was a "proletary of mental labor". I mean what both articles are missing is evolution of these notions over time. Unfortunately I cannot provide this, only grumble :-) Mikkalai 01:03, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then I agree that a merge with working class is still acceptable, but framing it within the evolution of the two terms. I think those are essentially under the same umbrella term.Pingijno (talk) 22:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with [[working class]]

message: While "proletariat" is, of course, nearly always used in a Marxian context in contemporary discourse, this article needs a section explaining its use in the Roman Empire. - Jersyko talk 03:48, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin origin 

message: What about the notion that the proletariat possess a unique place in society in socialist and anarchist theory?  That is the proletariat possess the the ability to see past petty advantages and therefore is in the best position to lead society.  Nothing in the article about this positive aspect of the class. Could maybe cite Harrington on this, as he has a democratic defense of this aspect of Marxist theory.--Edivorce 17:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transformative Character

message: I removed this tag because there was no related reason given when the tag was added, or in the time since.--Bookandcoffee 05:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|OR}}

message: In Marxist theory, labour is not a commodity, and cannot be sold or bought. What proletarians sell is labour force, or labour power, not labour.
A quick glance at Das Kapital shows that:
Chapter Six: The Buying and Selling of Labour-Power
Not the Buying and Selling of Labour.
In fact, it is a basic tenet of Marxist theory that, in average, there is no exploitation through mere market mechanisms: all commodities are bought and sold, in average, at their value. If proletarians sold "labour" - if it was even possible to sell labour - then such labour would have to be systematically sold below its value. On the contrary, labour power is sold at its value - the exploitation does not come from the bourgeois "cheating" over the price of a commodity, but from the fact that labour power creates new value when consumed. Ninguém (talk) 00:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Labour vs Labour force 

message: Does anyone know where the phrase "eviscerate the proletariat" comes from? I remember hearing Stewie recite it on Family Guy and thought there might be an underlying historical context. fintler (talk) 17:53, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "evicerate the proletariat" quote 

message: rm  
Inappropriate, excessive, litigious, etc. application of a wiki policy probably fronting an anti-marxist POV; see nothing above to the contrary so removing that tag as well. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 17:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as Ben Seattle's site link is concerned, it's a curious thing. If it were pushing anything other than proletarian revolution I would have removed it as obvious personal/scamming spam. However that is precisely what it is pushing and from an apparently authentic working class perspective so left in lex order. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 17:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations appropriate for current size 

message: Should be /ˌproʊlɨˈtɛəriət/ (see the key). --Preguntador (talk) 21:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: The proletarian word was already used for wage-workers / worker-class  when Karl Marx was a child. So it was not invented by "Marxists". That's why you can found this term in older books. Take a Boogle Book search!--Dwirm (talk) 11:22, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: The modern reintruduction of ancient latin word "proletarii" was not coined by Marx