Talk:Anarchist symbolism

message: Sources like Green Is the New Red, Left Bank Books, spunk.org, and cia.media.pl are all self-published, and should be replaced with better sources or removed. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:32, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello the anarchist library is a reliable source towards anarchism and is an non-profit organization run by anarchists you apear to fail to understand this. Please revert as you are currently edit warring, moreover do not touch the page as there is currently a resolution onto. The anarchist library is a reliable source towards anarchism, it is biased but as an example the united states government website on the flag of the US is reliable. You appear to be unwilling to understand reliable sources. Vallee01 (talk) 06:15, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The Anarchist Library (theanarchistlibrary.org) is not the topic of discussion here. It isn't even cited in the article. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 06:48, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes it does the anarchist FAQ is run by the anarchist library. Vallee01 (talk) 07:02, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  When did I remove any citations to The Anarchist FAQ? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

text: In that case there's very little we can say about anarchism while keeping a neutral point of view. How do we  that these self-published sources are representative of anarchism in general? --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: there is no one view point anarchists believe in you cant represent them in general, the best you can do is show the variety of beliefs. 2600:6C5E:147F:97B5:8953:B13B:F66D:9479 (talk) 02:26, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-published sources 

message: The removal of the Unicode of the circle (A) means that people previewing the page will not see what the circle A represents. Not only that but it needs to be a visualization directly in the text. This gives a more in-dpeth explanation to anarchist symbolism:
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Anarchists have employed certain symbols for their cause, including most prominently the circle-A and the black flag.
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Anarchists have employed certain symbols for their cause, including most prominently the circle-A (Ⓐ) and the black flag (⚑/🏴). Black is most commonly associated with anarchism, and black is numerous anarchist organizations names, such as the anarchist black cross, black international, and anarchist tactics such as the black bloc.https://www.anarchism.net/symbol_bf.htm The punk movement has had a large effect onto the symbolism of contemporary anarchism.https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13569310601095598 Vallee01 (talk) 14:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 2 November 2020 

message: I don't see a reason for excluding Rothbard's  book as a source. His description of anarcho-capitalists using the black and gold flag is all that is relevant. Whether or not Rothhbard advocates a particular position is not relevant because the reference is not being used to support or oppose any particular position he might have. The reference is for the narrow context of anarcho-capitalists using the black and gold flag. As such, in this narrow context, the source seems fine to me. AJPEG (talk) 12:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: So-called anarcho-capitalists are not anarchists. The term was invented by Rothbard to promote his free-market beliefs. Unless the source used is reputable for facts in this particular subject area, the material is unduly weighted. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  It isn't wikipedia's job to take sides. The controversy can be - and is, ad nauseam - noted on the relevant pages. Personal bias and beliefs should not be part of the consideration. On the subject of the symbolism of, and mid 20th century formation of anarcho-capitalism, in what way has Rothbard been shown to not be reputable? AJPEG (talk) 11:09, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The topic is anarchist symbolism. Anarcho-capitalism is not anarchism. For it to be duly weighted here, we would need an independent source comparing the two. If Rothbard has , it's only because other academics ignored him like any other fringe theorist. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The topic is anarchist symbolism. Anarcho-capitalism is not anarchism." I fully understand that traditional anarchists dislike any claim that anarcho-capitalists belong in the anarchist camp, but statements like that make me question your neutrality. You should not be taking sides in that dispute. We do not need sources comparing the types of anarchism in this article - it is only about anarchist symbolism. The only question is whether anarcho-capitalists are anarchists and anarcho-capitalists do claim to be anarchists by virtue of seeking to abolish government. Advocating a political system which abolishes government is one common definition of anarchism. That makes anarcho-capitalists anarchists, even if traditional anarchists don't like it. It isn't wikipedia's job to take sides in that dispute. And Rothbard's questionable reputation has mostly to do with his historical revisionism and some of his criticisms of mainstream economics, not the subject of anarcho-capitalism. Rothbard is a widely recognized expert on the subject of anarcho-capitalism, given that he was a central figure in its formation. Disallowing Murray Rothbard as a source on the subject of anarcho-capitalism would be like disallowing Karl Marx as a source on the subject of Marxism. AJPEG (talk) 03:04, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a bisected flag section should be included if you think anarcho-capitalism should be added so should all the others, and it should be clear that its disputed whether or not anarcho-capitalism is anarchism. 2600:6C5E:147F:97B5:8953:B13B:F66D:9479 (talk) 02:40, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's quite settled: Anarcho-capitalism#Anarchism. czar 17:21, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anarcho-Capitalist flag / Rothbard book 

message: I went down a bit of a rabbit hole trying to track down the source(s) of the saying. I was not able to verify the assertions made by Guérin, but during my search I stumbled upon a 2022 french article on the origin of the phrase that calls into question both the link between the supposed German proverb and Dom Juan, and the link between Dom Juan and Blanqui's newspaper. Maybe it would be worth revising the section with information from the article, since the 2022 article looks more thoroughly researched than Guérin's foreword. Here's a link. Note that the DOI given on the page is unregistered and does not point to the page.
https://journals.openedition.org/histoirepolitique/2452?lang=en Safar98 (talk) 10:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of "No gods, no masters"