Talk:1 Maccabees

message: The photo is a picture of the first verse of the Book of Joshua.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 08:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled #1]

message: It is offensive to Jews to refer to those books as the "Old Testament" (that is a category for Christians maybe), to Jews and to many others they are known as the Hebrew Bible or the Torah and Tanakh. Thus they can go DIRECTLY into Jewish texts as well.IZAK 07:58, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: IZAK, most readers are unaware of Tanakh but understand Old Testament. At any rate, the whole concept of apocrypha is foreign to Judaism anyway. JFW | T@lk 08:52, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Old Testament" not a Not a Jewish name 

message: Hi all. Nice article. Please place a wiki-ref to Megillat Antiochus as you see fit: (subsection, preceding main header, etc...) - I would have done so but was unsure where was best. Fintor 11:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Megillat Antiochus

message: In Jewish tradition, his name is Judah Maccabee, not Judah.  Is it Judas in Christian tradition?  -- Avocado (talk) 22:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Judas was the standard ancient Greek and Latin rendering of the Hebrew name "Judah" (including Judah the Israelite tribal ancestor).  "Judah" didn't start to become commonly used in the English language until ca. 1600, when English Bible translators started going back to the original Hebrew... AnonMoos (talk) 16:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judas? 

message: In Maccabees 12:21 it states that the Spartans are descendants of Abraham. I find this very unusual, is there any background into this claim? Didn't the Spartans consider themselves descendants of Herakles? Did the Spartans ever write such a letter, or is this a fabrication in the book of Maccabees?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.202.208 (talk) 11:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: All I could find was the footnote to the New Oxford edition of the NRSV, which says "This assertion has no historical basis, but served the interests of diplomacy." So it would seem the Spartans wrote it, but made it up, just to be chummy with the Maccabeeans. Carl.bunderson (talk) 08:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, there may be some kind of connection between the names of Japheth and Iapetus... AnonMoos (talk) 15:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spartans as descendants of Abraham

message: I corrected the previous introduction for 3 reasons:
* there are many more Christian communities in the world than just Orthodox, Protestants and Catholics. For instance: Chaldeans (formerly called "Nestorians"), Copts, Armenians, Anglicans. As far as I know, all Christians except the vast majority of Protestants accept the Greek part of the New Testament that the Catholic Church accept, including 1 Mac. Some of them accept more, the largest canon being the Copt one. Dampinograaf seems to think (User_talk:Henri_de_Solages) some Orthodoxes reject 1 Mac, but gives no proof so far.
* Even a few Protestant communities accept the Catholic canon.
* "deuterocanonical" means it's a "second" canon, suggesting it's less important than or posterior to a first canon. I thought it was a Protestant word, though I'm aware it's also used by some Catholics, but rejected by others.
Dampinograaf pointed there I'm wrong. This word has been coined by a Catholic converted from judaism, and is recommended by some to be used in academic works in place of "Apocrypha". But, as far as I know, it's not an official Catholic word. I mean I don't think it has ever been used in any official document from the Holy See or an Ecumenical council. And it's not a very good word, except in Luther's perspective where these books would not be part of what he had decided the Word of God should be, but would be worth publishing with the Holy Scripture, as Luther used to do. So I think we should rephrase again this introduction. I'll try something to correct my mistake. But is it so important to write all this in the introduction?
--Henri de Solages (talk) 10:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to some definitions, any pre-Christian work not in the Hebrew Bible and/or not originally written in the Hebrew language is "apocryphal". AnonMoos (talk) 11:36, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "deuterocanonical", "apocrypha", Christian community 

message: "So Ptol′emy set out from Egypt, he and Cleopatra his daughter, and came to Ptolema′is in the one hundred and 62nd year. Alexander the king met him, and Ptol′emy gave him Cleopatra his daughter in marriage, and celebrated her wedding at Ptolema′is with great pomp, as kings do." -- (1 Maccabees 10:57-58)
Does anyone know which Cleopatra this would have been, and should her mention be included in the article? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 04:30, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleopatra 

message: * Which of the many Nicanors listed in disambig page Nicanor, was the Nicanor mentioned in 1 Maccabees? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicanor? 

message: Unless I am mistaken, the two items here should be moved here.Likewise, unless I am mistaken, the item here should be moved here.allixpeeke (talk) 07:46, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikidata

message: Unless I am missing something, the article appears to give dates for the events that take place within the composition, but no date range for when researchers think the composition itself was written.  When do researchers think this work was composed?  allixpeeke (talk) 21:20, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Dating the composition

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