Talk:Sexual victimization of Native American women

message: Off topic (sort of): Has anyone tried to, um, do something about WikiEd? I know I'm not the only one who dreads the arrival of the student projects, and the attempts to insert student papers into article space. I've never known any of them to stick around and become Wikipedians. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think most folks who pay attention agree that they represent the highest concentration of crap contributions on the project. I don't suffer unskilled wikied editors making out-of-policy changes kindly. Toddst1 (talk) 21:19, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

text: I've talked about it at conferences with folks, though that was all pre-pandemic. There's a quality argument and an outreach argument. Just dip people in and they'll come back. We...do need a constant stream of new editors who at least know how the software works. It's hard to knock the enthusiasm and dedication of the people who organize these kinds of events. GMGtalk 15:32, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Toddst1. I've never seen their enthusiasm work in favor of quality articles or the 'pedia in general. I've never seen them stick around and collaborate. I've seen edit-warring, disruption, then leaving forever once the course is done. Some of the repeat offenders, who do return, are the teachers leading the classes. They keep sending the students at us, often never bothering to learn policy. But some have learned enough to wikilawyer, misrepresent policy to their students, and be a real problem. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiEd

message: This section seemed like a list of politically incorrect things related to native americans rather than victimization. I think the section should be removed and have WP:BOLDly done so. The entire section is approaching WP:COATRACK and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Toddst1 (talk) 14:47, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the student's complete lack of response to concerns raised by three editors in good standing, and the copyvio issues, maybe instead of flagging it should all just be reverted? I haven't gone through it all but that may be best. I will check the copyvios and see if the diffs need to be hidden. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 17:33, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I pulled the entire section discussed above out  and subsequently removed two sections that were copyvios / close paraphrasing . We're not fooling around with students used to plagiarizing.   Toddst1 (talk) 21:20, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, despite multiple messages to the student editor, they have engaged with no one and gone against all advice and requests and just done a dump and run. I wish this wasn't so typical. We're WP:NOT their free publishing service. And if they have managed to get away with copyvios at school, they should learn now that it needs to stop. Support reverts. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:25, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fwiw, I messaged  who I believe is the instructor for Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/University_of_California,_Berkeley/NAS_R1A_-_Summer_Session_(Summer_Session), that  appears to be taking.  SierraTL was responsive on their talk page, unlike the student.  I suspect the student is inactive due to the long weekend in the US.  They last edited this page on July 2 and didn't edit the section on Representations and stereotypes in American culture.  Toddst1 (talk) 19:44, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, thanks for flagging these issues. The students in the course were made aware of copyright concerns and appropriate citations and style regarding quotes and paraphrasing. Due to outside constraints, some students have been limited to online work. Given the thread’s list of issues, I can try and revert these edits. SierraTL (talk) 23:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @SierraTL Not only are there copy vios, the student also misrepresented content in sources. Their work was sloppy and rather than improving Wikipedia, it simply served to create more work for established editors. Indigenous girl (talk) 01:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section: Representations and stereotypes in American culture 

message: — Assignment last updated by SierraTL (talk) 02:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been brought to my attention that there are issues with your sandbox draft. Please be aware that it is not appropriate to draft a new article and replace the current article with what is in your sandbox. Wikipedia functions by consensus, and all the usual policies - which all Wikipedians must respect and abide by - apply equally to student editors. No one is exempt. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:18, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: NAS R1A - Summer Session

message: Moving the following from the article to talk for future use since we have extensive references/footnotes: 
 Toddst1 (talk) 16:34, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential additional sources  

message: I've asked for clarification on which reports from the U.S. Department of Justice are referred to in the lede, but  has edit warred removing my tag.  Since the whole sentence that contains this vague mention is only supported by a dead link, I've removed the entire sentence.  If someone wants to add it back, please clarify which reports and support it with a valid reference.  Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 19:07, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey now. I'm not edit warring. I c/e'd the whole article this morning for like the second time. Help me out here a little bit. I didn't understand why we were questioning the DOJ when there's a whole section there. AGF. I specifically pinged you in the summary so you could clarify. GMGtalk 19:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vague mention of "Reports from the U.S. Department of Justice"