Talk:Arthur C. Clarke/Archive 1

message: :I think adding in his medical condition (arthritis in the extreme I think?) would also be a good idea. John Lynch 15:52, 31 July 2004 (GMT 10+)
Sir Arthur suffers from post-polio syndrome and is wheelchaired as a result; however he also does daily exercises and can stand for brief periods, especially when he plays table tennis. jcsherwood1950 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know the scene in You Only Live Twice that Sir Arthur is supposed to have a cemeo appearance in? Kuralyov 02:29, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps some mention should also be made of his cameo in 2010: Odyssey Two - sitting on a park bench outside the White House (his face and that of Stanley Kubrick also appear on a "Time" Magazine cover in the movie as President of the US and Premier of the USSR respectively).  Grutness|hello?  23:45, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Medical/Other

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replies: text: Not having seen this first (bad Me :-), I put a blip in the lede.   We can expand it below, preparatory to moving it down there permanently later.  -- Baylink 05:53, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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message: I removed "autodidact" - he studied at one of the England's most prestigious universities. The fact that he did it after a short period of employment and then his military service doesn't mean that he was self-taught (at the time he went to university, it was usual to be studying while in mid to late 20's). Admittedly he was already publishing sci-fi by that time, but many sci-fi writers start young. The fact that they haven't finished their formal education before starting their occupation doesn't qualify them as autodidacts, as far as I can see. And just because the degree wasn't in English literature or similar, doesn't mean he counts as an autodidact just because his occupation was not a direct branch-out of his degree. --VivaEmilyDavies 00:57, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Autodidact category removal

message: Clarke also wrote at least one science fact book.  The Promise of Space appeared in 1968, and was reissued in 1985.
--205.175.225.5 20:24, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Science fact

message: Isn't Clarke considered the inventor of the telecomunication's satelite?
I think he was the first person to think up the idea of a geostationary satelite. For people interested in communications, get a copy of his non-fiction book "When the World Was One"
He wrote about satellites in his short stories that were published. He did not think that they would come as soon as they have done so he did not patent them. However when the companies saw that the satellites could make a lot of money they tried to patent them but Clarke pointed out that he had invalidated their patents.
: He wrote a wry article, "How I Lost a Billion Dollars At Home In My Spare Time" (later updated to "How I Lost a Trillion Dollars At Home In My Spare Time") on how he thought of, but did not patent, the idea of communications satellites. - 21 december 2005
He couldn't have patented it, it was already public domain by over 15 years.Herman Potočnik's book(c.1929) introduced the first full concept of geostationary communications satellites (first put forward by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky). - 26 January 2006
To be precise, Potočnik's book describes a space station and discusses communication between the space station and the ground, but the application of a satellite for mass communication and telephony is a specific invention that does not seem to be covered. Elroch 11:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  telecomunications 

message: The image that assumedly had been uploaded for the top of the article appears to have been deleted.  I removed the empty box for it for now, and hopefully someone has an image that they can upload and place in the article.  --Syrthiss 21:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image for top of article 

message: An anonymous put "http://ramarpg.proboards74.com/index.cgi? Raman simulator" in the external links.  This looks like an RPG, but it isn't there yet.  I'm removing it for now, but if something develops, it might become interesting later maybe.  Or maybe this is just link spam. --ssd 06:46, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  RPG link 

message: In the 2001 section, second paragraph, it says, "It was credited to Clarke alone." This doesn't make sense to me -- is "Kubrick" intended/correct? Thx, "alyosha" 05:21, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused about 2001 film credit 

message: The article currently claims that the United States said that Clarke "provided the essential intellectual drive that led us to the moon.", a statement that is taken from a 1994 news release. Since countries themselves do not speak, does anyone know who did say this (or something similar)?Elroch 13:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attribution of quote needed 

message: He is listed as "co-author" on a number of Clarkes' later books.  I believe "ghostwriter" would be more accurate.  If one reads the books it appears that they were actually written by Lee and then published with Clarkes' name on them.  They do take place in Clarkes' settings and use Clarkes' characters.  Their styles are quite different.  Clarke is a first rate author. Lee would quickly fade out of print if he published under his own name.  Based on his fiction, I had not realized Lee had any real scientific background.  Would it be appropriate to change the Wiki article to reflect this?
:Having read some of the Clarke/Lee works, I agree that it's difficult to detect any trace of Clarke's style in them. The notion that Lee ghost-wrote them is quite plausible. However, we cannot state it as fact in a Wikipedia article without citing a reliable source. Accordingly, I have tagged that statement with the  template. Pat Berry 19:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one has come forward with a citation, so I am deleting the statement that Clarke's later works were ghostwritten. I am aware of no evidence supporting that notion. Pat Berry 05:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gentry Lee, co-author or ghostwriter? 

message: someone should add a section on the few Video Games that have been made out of his books.
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thread_title:  Clarke in gaming 

message: I made a slight edit in the Introduction; I think it reads a bit better this way. CFLeon 21:13, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing 

message: Why is the first section on one small part of this man's life?  It needs to be moved or deleted or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.217.6.9 (talk • contribs).
I agree that it's placement is odd. Someone more familiar with the article than myself should move it to a more appropriate place. - Dr. Zaret 01:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2001 as first section?  WTF? 

message: I'm deleting this from the list of novels, since it isn't a novel. Johnny Pez 16:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Report on Planet Three

message: Clarke is also well known to many for his television programmes Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World (1981) and Arthur C. Clarke's World of Strange Powers (1984).
Does anyone know if there are any plans to release either of those shows on DVD? I remember hearing rumors on and off but does anyone know what the story is? Or even if Clarke is aware that these works are not available on DVD? (Simonapro 21:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World of Strange Powers on DVD yet? 

message: 1. This sentence from "Themes, styles and influences":
:"Despite this, Clarke's style was open to humour and a degree of whimsy which salted its propagandist tone regarding scientific advancement with a sting in the tail."
Can someone tell me what it's trying to say?
:It's just lousy, pretentious writing. Hayford Peirce 01:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I edited the section, and that sentence is gone. But those paragraphs still need work. ChrisWinter 14:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And now it's back. Further, there's no sign of that version in the history. What gives? ChrisWinter 18:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've just taken it out again. And this time I'll keep it out. Hayford Peirce 18:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've no idea who put it back — if anyone did. My edit of 11 August is missing from the history, which makes me suspect some sort of glitch in Wikipedia's servers. Does that sound sensible? ChrisWinter 03:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. I *know* that I made a minor edit in another article about the same time, in which, like here, I simply removed a sentence, then saved it.  A while later I went back to the article and discovered that there was no record of what I had done.  Just a Wiki glitch, I guess. Hayford Peirce 03:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Not really.  Van Vogt was a big shot *before* Clarke first appeared.  Clark did not really become a major writer in the SF world until, oh, let's say the late 40s, early 50s.  By which time Van Vogt had partially vanished.  The "Big Three" was probably not used for Clarke, Asimov, and RAH until the 60s, or maybe even later. Hayford Peirce 01:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Puzzlements and miscellany

message: The following links point to supplemental material on Arthur C. Clarke, or to links to such material.
===Interviews===
*Spike Magazine Interview (1997)
*Interview for The Onion (February 2004)
*God, Science, and Delusion Free Inquiry magazine interview Volume 19, Number 2
===Awards and organizations startedor influenced by Clarke===
*The Arthur C. Clarke Foundation
*Sir Arthur Clarke Awards
===Other links===
*Where Is Everybody? : an essay by Arthur C. Clarke on SETI
*The Motif of First Contact in Arthur C. Clarke's SF Works, by Zoran Živković
*Sir Arthur C. Clarke links & image archive 
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===Links deleted===
*ArthurCClarke.net : fan community & discussion site
:Because it's on the page of links pointed to by entry #5 above.
*Clarke's 1945 Communication Satellite Idea
:Because it's on the links page, and appears (or should appear) as a reference in the text.
*Institute for Cooperation in Space
:Because that page doesn't make it clear what Clarke's contribution to cooperation in space was: that he's been a long-time advocate of satellite monitoring as a means of arms control. I think it would be better to put this link back in the article proper, inside a paragraph that discusses those contributions.
*The Sundial on a Novel Concept includes image of Clarke at the inaugaration of the Sundial Moratuwa University 1996
:Because AFAICT it has only a tenuous connection to Clarke's work.
*Memoirs of Science Abstracts' editorial staff — by Arthur C. Clarke
:Because, again, the science abstractor job is a minor part of Clarke's career. The link should to to a paragraph above.
*ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE BSAC references Clarke as a member
:Bare mention of Clarke as a member, halfway down the long page, and a tiny photo. Once again, I'd put this in the paragraph about his SCUBA diving.
*The Arthur Clarke Mars Greenhouse, Devon Island, Nunavut (NASA Haughton Mars Project)
:Because it's just a greenhouse named in honor of Clarke.
===Links added===
:None. I was going to suggest adding a link to the Science Museum reproduction of Clarke's Wireless World article, but I see that one's on the links page too. Also, it appears as a reference above, or it should. In fact, I'd put in 3 references to the commsat idea: R-Bianci, Lakdiva, and Science Museum. ChrisWinter 05:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: :None. I was going to suggest adding a link to the Science Museum reproduction of Clarke's Wireless World article, but I see that one's on the links page too. Also, it appears as a reference above, or it should. In fact, I'd put in 3 references to the commsat idea: R-Bianci, Lakdiva, and Science Museum. ChrisWinter 05:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Links added

message: The bibliography gives a 1951 date for Clarke's first novel. The actual article on the book says 1953. Which is correct? 23skidoo 19:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to my copy of Twentieth Century Science Fiction Writers (2nd ed.) (1986), it was published in New York by Galaxy Books in 1951; in London by Sidgwick and Jackson in 1953; as Master of Space by Lancer Books, New York in 1961, and again by them in 1969 as The Space Dreamers. -- Arwel (talk) 19:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Publishing date of Prelude to Space contradiction

message: The article says "he ... was involved in the early warning radar defence system which contributed to the RAF's success during the Battle of Britain.".  Is this really right?  I thought he joined the airforce during the war (after the Battle of Britain, I assume) and was involved in the Ground Controlled Approach system which can't really be called an "early warning radar defence system". EdDavies 22:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Radar experience

message: Because someone added the term "Big Three" to the lead section, I've added a section about it. I don't know when the term was first used or by whom. What I did put together was a minimal piece about the relationship between Clarke and the other two. It could be expanded or cut to a sentence in the "Writing career" section. Novangelis (talk) 02:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The second paragraph there, I found confusing, regarding the chronology of events. When did the "friendly insults and jabs for decades" start? Had Clarke and Asimov neither met nor communicated before 1973? Did "Clarke put the "treaty" on paper" the year before that, in 1972? (or, blame it all on merlot and me...) Thanks :) -- Quiddity (talk) 04:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good pickup. Thanks. It was 1953 (a week before Clarke's marriage). In the autobiography, "1973" appeared two lines down. That's the source of the error. I wish I had merlot to blame. I took the time to double check the 1972 treaty date. Again, thanks. Novangelis (talk) 05:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Big Three 

message: What's wrong with mention of GRB 080319B, let alone GRB 080319A, -C, -D and GRB 080320, all five within the 24-hour period around his death? The events certainly weren't normal, even if not paranormal, and do bear faint echoes of The Star (short story). --Pawyilee (talk) 13:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While you might see "faint echoes" of something he wrote, Wikipedia does not publish your perception of echoes. The topic is Arthur C. Clarke, not events loosely connected to the life of Arthur C. Clarke.Novangelis (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We had an "edit conflict when I tried to add the following:
* The article does say he stated, "I'm always paraphrasing J. B. S. Haldane: 'The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we can imagine.'" No one could have imagined that a satellite, the like of which he predicted would be in our skies, would have been there to detect stranger events than he had imagined in "The Star"? 
I'm not the only one imagining things, but I imagine I'll have to be satisfied with these comments on the Talk page. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:23, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not the "Clarke Event"?  

message: I propose that a mention be made of Clarke's major influence for the development of _2001_, Robert Ardrey.  (I've made this proposal in the article on Kubrick as well.)  Ardrey's _African Genesis_ provided the blueprint for the "Dawn of Man" segments as well as the underlying philosophy of the story.  The Hunting Hypothesis in particular ties together the existing theme of "Man as tool-using animal" with the 2001 / 2010 theme of "Man as weapon-wielding animal" (see the famed "match cut" in the motion picture release).  
Byff (talk) 18:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This may be good stuff.  Do you have some references you can cite to include this information in articles?  --Jayron32 20:41, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: Is there any reason why the section on his views precedes the sections on his works? Are his views really that notable? Would they be notable at all if not for the successes of his works?
The organization of the sections on his works also seems out of order. I'd put the sections on his writings ahead of the sections on his film adaptations, since his films are derivative of his writings. Rwflammang (talk) 16:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur that the "Views" section did rise to too high a position, and I may be responsible, in part. Since it was written piecemeal, a little rejuggling could trigger any number of improvements. I say go for it. In the case of 2001, the book and the movie were developed concurrently with Clarke and Kubrick both having screenwriting credit. There's a mildly humorous line (not so pithy as to warrant tracking it down) about the book being adapted from the movie and the movie adapted from the book somewhere (I think either the Clarke biography or Lost Worlds of 2001).Novangelis (talk) 17:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Views 

message: Is the CBE title after his name irelevant? I always believed that a knighthood displaced a CBE?--Gilderien Talk|Contribs 13:21, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: CBE

message: Why must it be necessary to search the article for events relating to his death? For instance, “Coincidentally, the passing of Arthur C. Clarke the day before seems to have set the universe ablaze with gamma ray bursts,” says [[Swift Gamma-Ray Burst Mission}Swift]] science team member Judith Racusin of Penn State University in University Park, Pa.A Stellar Explosion You Could See on Earth! --Pawyilee (talk) 09:46, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Is there a reason you haven't edited the article so that there is a section related to his death? And by the way, it is not necessary to post the same message twice on this page. Cresix (talk) 14:53, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As the quote said, the timing was coincidence, so the content is not encyclopedic: it does not inform us of who Clarke was. A old press release that makes reference to two then-recent events does not establish any notable relationship.Novangelis (talk) 15:11, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

text: The current structure of the Biography section doesn't really lend itself to dropping in a 'Death' section at the end. IMHO it would look out of place as there are no corresponding sections for other parts of Clarke's life. The Biography section is mostly chronological, so it doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to find reference to Clarke's death at the end of the 'Later years' section. Deagol2 (talk) 19:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly agree that it is more than a little obvious where his death is discussed. I was simply responding to Pawyilee's apparent difficulties in finding it. Cresix (talk) 20:56, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: The article states that the movie 2010: Odyssey Two deals with nuclear tensions during the cold war which were not in the book. I haven't seen the movie in many years, but I did just read the book and there are numerous references to global nuclear tension (including China selling turnkey nuclear arms programs to interested nations for a relatively nominal fee, the fact that it is remarkable that the world hadn't nuked itself yet, etc., not to mention the nuke that the entity that was David Bowman detonated in orbit). It seems to me that this makes the statement about nuclear tensions not being in the book clearly false. Your thoughts? --73.52.128.59 (talk) 21:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuclear tension in 2010 

message: Who decides what's notable works? There are some examples mentioned in the infobox, but no references. I can see why 2001: A Space Odyssey and Rendezvous with Rama is on the list, but why the others? 2A02:FE0:C900:1:ADC4:D2C2:F604:A44D (talk) 20:44, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You have his best known fiction and non-fiction titles plus two Hugo Award winners. Deagol2 (talk) 19:57, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable work

message: I'm thinking about creating a separate section for information about his death.If you can find resources,citation (which might help me a lot) post those links here.--Chamith (talk) 12:17, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Information about death

message: An editor has stated that Sir Arthur was of British-Sri Lankan citizenship, this is not true. Someone also edited his profile with the Sri Lankan honour 'Sri Lankabhimanya' right at the top of his biography which is pushing it a bit. The lede mentions that particular honour already and shouldn't be given precedent over his national honour. Editors can confirm for themselves that Clarke was never Sr Lankan here: http://www.sundaytimes.lk/090503/Education/ed706.html, Although he lived in Sri Lanka for 52 years, he always remained a British citizen. In 1975, he was granted the country's first 'Resident Guest' status, an immigration category that allowed accomplished foreigners to live in the country. Clarke never sought nor received Sri Lankan citizenship. regards. Twobells (talk) 23:22, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship 

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message: On 8 May 2015, in this edit, the honorific for the lede was changed from "Sir Arthur C. Clarke" to Sri Lankabhimanya Arthur C. Clarke" and subsequently to "Sri Lankabhimanya Sir Arthur C. Clarke" with no explanation, and no complaint since then, except for 's comment above. While the award is significant, it is unlikely that Clarke ever used the title himself or that the title has been widely used for him outside of Sri Lanka. I recommend removing this honorific from Clarke's name in the lede, while retaining the information about his receiving the award, leaving the lede to read "Sir Arthur C. Clarke, ..." as it did prior to 8 May 2015. Comments? Complaints? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:08, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this, foreign titles are not recognized as part of the legal name of a British subject, so I believe that the Sri Lankabhimanya title should not form part of the name at the start of the lede. It is already mentioned further down with the knighthood. Deagol2 (talk) 18:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've removed it. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: I offered the following material in the article and it was reverted:
In Imperial Earth he presents a culture where gay and straight relationships are equally acceptable. The main characters are presented as having a series of both types, though a heterosexual fixation is a major plot feature.
The book is referenced, and the fixation does get a reference there. The issue of the gay relationships is not discussed. Would some page references to the gay relationships be sufficient to justify this being reinserted? Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 17:01, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The linked article has virtually no references, so I would advise adding page references. You could also use this article as a source. Deagol2 (talk) 17:18, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Imperial Earth 

message: Regarding this revert, can you cite where it was decided that the English be referred to as British? I could find no such guideline under MOS:BIO. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 11:09, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: 18 pages for Category:English science fiction novels'.  472 for Category:British science fiction novels.  --GwydionM (talk) 07:52, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "British is the standard" 

message: My father, W C W Dean (deceased), told me that he was a contemporary (in a younger class) of A C Clarke in Huish's school. He said that A C Clarke set a needle oscillating on a bed of mercury, all placed in a vacuum. Its continued motion for a very long time got A C Clarke very excited about the prospect of perpetual motion, until its ultimate failure. I only have my father's word for this, and no other source. Can anyone else corroborate this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:242F:35C0:A11D:44D4:BF83:45FF (talk) 22:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Interest in Perpetual Motion. 

message: Given that Clarke lived in Sri Lanka for the bulk of his adult life, was granted permanent residency, and awarded the Sri Lankabhimanya (which has only been awarded 8 times), is it worth describing Clarke as Sri Lankan either in the lead or elsewhere? It seems odd that he is described as exclusively British. Ganesha811 (talk) 03:23, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Having residency does not make someone a Sri Lankan national. Deagol2 (talk) 05:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , agreed, but I don't think a person needs to be a Sri Lankan national or have citizenship to be Sri Lankan. This page is already listed under Top-importance Sri Lanka articles and WikiProject Sri Lanka. He was deeply honored, respected, and loved in the country he lived in for the majority of his life. He is buried there. Ganesha811 (talk) 05:41, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to disagree.  He was an ex-pat, not a national and did not apply for citizenship.  Sri Lankan is by definition a nationality. Deagol2 (talk) 19:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sri Lankan? 

message: Clarke's parents names aren't given on the page (nor if he had siblings). Any information on his parents available? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:22, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Parents names?