Talk:Josip Jelačić

message: The first line reads Baron Josip Jelačić of Bužim. Shouldn't that be count? He was given the title five years before his untimely death which then passed onto his younger brother. The family is known as the Counts of Bužim or, in Croatian, the Counts Bužimski. It is standard on Wikipedia to use the highest titles. I say change it, but I won't do anything on my own without consensus because I don't want to start a revert war.
--193.198.128.156 18:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baron? 

message: Fought western oppression from Croatia, much like Josip Broz Tito
Did he? He supported the Habsburg absolute rule against a liberal revolution. That seems odd enough for a man who fights Western oppression. Nevertheless, I cannot see the point of your remark or its relevance to the article. 84.1.190.103 20:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great leader 

message: Subjective opinion should be attributed to a source rather than simply stated, and it should be avoided in the article head. I removed the nice nationalist comment "when he saved Croatia from Hungarian hegemony", it may be put back in some form with appropriate reference. 84.1.190.103 20:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Subjective moral judgement of Jelačić

message: The use of the word Magyar, an artificial one in an English context, should be limited to applications when it is essential to differentiate between Hungarian nationality ("Magyar") and residence/citizenship in the Kingdom of Hungary ("Hungarian"). The liberal revolution and war of independence in 1848-49 had a distinct international flavour about it, just read the names of the The 13 Martyrs of Arad to get the idea.
I suggest using the less vague words "Revolutionary" and "Imperial" forces or something like that. 84.1.190.103 20:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Magyar forces?

message: Shouldn't Ban be capitalized since it is a title? 144.89.180.225 (talk) 15:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ban

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 16:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: In all the history books I've read Jelacic is given more as a Habsburg collaborator than a national hero -- this is the first I've heard of it. Subjective view needed? --81.109.192.190 (talk) 11:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What date are those history books? I've found the older they are, i.e. published during Yugoslavia, they tend to portray the Austrian collaborator view. "Newer" books written after the war tend to portray him heroically. Also, I found people that grew up with Yugoslav schooling (i.e. my father) view Jelacic negatively, while the younger generation don't. Can anyone else clarify this? --Jesuislafete (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: National hero

message: While the structure of the article appears sound enough, the quality and accuracy of the English, and hence the factual content and fine detail, is obscured in places by inapproprate vocabulary usage and grammatical errors.  This is simply not good enough: one expects a much higher standard of textual accuracy in Wiki articles. The prime author of this article is clearly not a native English speaker: as with many speakers of Slavonic and East European languages he/she has made, among other errors, numerous mistakes in the use of the English definite and indefinite articles, and particularly, of the 'omitted' indefinite plural artcle.  
Though I have studied European history, it was largely from a British, rather than a European, perspective. The nineteenth century is not my specialist area, and so I hesitate to intervene in correcting the text, in case I should introduce factual errors.  A competent native English speaking historian of the period needs to undertake a complete revision of the article.
I think that the content of the text might usefully be amplified by a timeline and maps to illustrate the main events. Geoff Powers (talk) 10:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Language

message: First, I would like to note that I am not very skilled in english, and therefore I would like to apologize. Certain parts of this article need to be rewritten, in particulary part of "Hungarian Revolution of 1848" section, in which some uncited statements are simply wrong, like the statement "Jelačić supported independence for Croatia from the Austrian throne". For all I know about Jelačić he was utter Habsburg-loyalist, as one can expect when Jelačić`s family background, education, and career before 1848. is taken in consideration. Jelačić family emerges in context of Military border, and their emergence as upper strata nobility in contemporary Croatia is primary due to their long lasting strategically pro-Habsburg policy. In context of Military border there was no other way of advancing up the social scale or retaining social status. I never found anything in history books nor in primary sources that would support this statement that I find basicaly wrong. Also,this statement can not be found in article about Jelačić on croatian language Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eorundem (talk • contribs) 15:25, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Jelačić supported independence for Croatia from the Austrian throne" 

message: Link doesn't lead to any article. Still it is blue. Why?94.21.191.164 (talk) 19:17, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sofija Jelačić 

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