Talk:Kingdom of Lovely

message: The article of the TV series is a bit short. Anything that could be expanded on the series has probably already been said in the article on Lovely.
What do you all think? --Billpg 20:43, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer to keep them seperate. It's, erm, lovely to see that Lovely has been developed, but I think it's important to keep the programme as a seperate article. It can eaily be expanded to include brief episode summaries (where Danny went, who he met, etc...). Some of it might have to be stolen/borrowed fron Lovely, but there's a lot of elements about the programme that need to be discussed (the death row episode, for example). Plus, there's categorisation to think about... The JPS 20:53, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

text: This article was originally an offshoot of the TV series article and people have been paying more attention to this one. I agree with above reply, I think there is enough stuff for a seperate article on the series, like the content of each episode, etc. --Jeffthejiff | Talk 08:04, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Specifically which aspects would you like cleaning up? It really bugs me when anon users turn up and give vague criticism like this, without any intention of working on it themselves. The JPS 11:01, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Yeah, might as well. It's been there long enough, and, as you say, a consensus has been reached. The tag's got to go sometime! The JPS 20:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[How to Start Your Own Country]] into [[Lovely (micronation)]] ? 

message: In common with the other micronation articles, I've added an Infobox, following the template used by Sealand. Could someone who knows please feel in the details I've TODO'd please?
In a technical note, what territory does King Danny claim? In particular, does he claim the land on which his block of flat sits? --Billpg 00:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the motto but, as far as I know, the anthem doesn't have a title. Danny claims just his own flat, not the rest of the block or the land it sits on. --Hitchhiker89 15:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I've created a new category, Citizens of Lovely, and userbox,  for Wikipedians who are citizens. Feel free to add yourself. --Hitchhiker89 16:08, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category and userbox 

message: Where are the official results for the elections (both rounds)? Were these taken purely from counting votes in the thread or have they actually been posted somewhere? I've looked through the forums, the main site and even the Guardian Angel but nowhere can I find any results... Hitchhiker89talk 14:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elections 

message: Why was this section removed out of interest? 84.67.28.162 20:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barc0de 

message: Guys, please tell me there's a better picture than that for the coat of arms... --Deville (Talk) 20:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of which, what's up with the (lack of) flag? --Billpg 21:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC, there was a flag pic but it got deleted because of copyrights.  I'll look around and see if I can't find something --Deville (Talk) 00:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, made the flag myself --Deville (Talk) 02:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still no flag. Anyone know if it was taken off again? Spuddddddd  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.60.90.97 (talk) 00:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

message: Yes, I am the Foreign Minister before anyone edits it.--Guydrury 20:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign Minister 

message: We will continue to use the name David Blunkett in the article, as that was the name he won the elction by. Considering he normally changes his name a few times a week, I think we will stick with this one. Guydrury 13:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Prime Minister 

message: Should this be Lovely (micronation) or Kingdom of Lovely? The bold text in the lead and infobox use the latter name; either the article should be moved or that text changed to "Lovely". Which name would be closest to what the independent sources call this entity? --kingboyk 15:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really no as every real country on Wikipedia is just the common name (e.g The Kingdom of Spain is just Spain. AxG ҈ ►talk 15:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually you make a very good point there about the names of other micronation articles. We do indeed have articles on Spain not the Kingdom of..., the United Kingdom and not the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Would you care to fix the names of any other micronation articles which are over-lengthy per the precedent you have cited? --kingboyk 15:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The country doesn't seem to officially use the term "Kingdom of Lovely". Unfortunately for our purposes, the constitution appears to have been written before the name of the country was chosen, and when announced, the name was given simply as "Lovely" (according to the episode of the How to Start Your Own Country TV programme in which it was covered). – Kieran T (talk) 15:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should the bold text be changed to Lovely then, with the Kingdom of... mentioned as an alternative name? --kingboyk 15:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename? 

message: "The LFA had died but was revived on 13 January 2007 by the current President Kris Mantle."
Is this true? If it is, does anyone know where further information can be found about it? I am unable to find any. I was part of Danvers Athletic, who won the Lovely Premier League in 05/06 and I just came across this, and was wondering why we hadn't heard about it!
88.106.196.72 19:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lovely Football Assosiation 

message: Is it necessary to make the word 'photograph' into a wikilink? Can't we assume that most people using a web browser are going to know what a photo is?
12.206.222.20 12:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiLinks 

message: I can't verify this but trust me. I was at a book signing/reading with him yesterday in Bristol and he told me this was true. Don't delete it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by FreemDeem (talk • contribs) 16:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Danny has moved out, and has said many times at book signings amongst other places, that he hopes that one day the new inhabitants will find the newspaper article. However, we can't really cite this as a verifiable reference from a reliable, preferably third-party source. So we need to find a journalist or some such person who's written that they've heard him say this, to be able to cite it as a reference. In the meantime, common sense prevailing, we should simply remove any comments about his living there, without adding hearsay in its place. – Kieran T (talk) 19:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danny Wallace doesn't live in Lovely anymore 

message: User:NE2 proposed a merge by adding a tag, which User:Ninetyone immediately removed. Given that there are absolutely no third-party reliable sources here, and it's mainly about what people are getting up to in forums and meets, I support the merge. When there are sources in there such as "Hitchhiker89 on the talk page" we know there is a problem. The JPStalk to me 18:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a good hour and a half between addition and removal, some people rather have a habit of slapping a merge tag on a page and then walking away ;)
*Now:
**Lovely featured in the Lonely Planet Guide to Micronations 
**http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/and-wallace-surveyed-his-kingdom-and-declared-it-to-be-lovely-505349.html
I'm sure there's plenty more out there. ninety:one   19:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree that it's not a good idea to 'tag and run'. As the article stands, only the 'History' section is encyclopedic, and that can easily by merged with the main article. The other sections need to be supported by third party sources to establish notability. The sources you quote above are rather brief, and neither provide a source for much of the article. The JPStalk to me 21:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge away.  It is the (rather paltry) end result of a reality tv show, and miles away from Sealand-like notability.  One self-published travel guide and one offbeat teaser in a small UK newspaper is a bit lacking. Tarc (talk) 04:56, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is notable because of the number of people who signed up to be citizens — it outnumbers a considerable number of other countries. But in terms of keeping Wikipedia neat, I've never thought there was a sufficiently clear distinction between the article on the country and the one on the series, so I too would support the merge — especially now that it is clear that momentum for attaining any further serious political recognition of the microstate has been lost. – Kieran T (talk) 11:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's certainly not self-published! See Lonely Planet. But yeah, merger might well be for the best. ninety:one   14:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I support the merge, even if the micronation is notable on its own it makes sense to set it within the context of the TV program. I've added a merge template to the program's article as there wasn't one there before. Smartse (talk) 00:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge