Talk:Keʻelikōlani

message: I think the "Life of Tragedy" section needs a little bit of rewriting. The information is good, but should probably be presented better. I took a first stab at it, but it needs more.
Also, I corrected the spelling of Leleiohoku and linked it to the appropriate article. Among other things, this should probably remain as "William Pitt Leleiohoku" to distinguish between heir-to-the-throne Leleiohoku and Princess Ruth's-first-husband Leleiohoku.
--Salor 02:49, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life Of Tragedy 

message: I noticed that Kahalaia was mentioned as her father which I don't hear much of.  Usually Kekuanaoa is credit as the father although they mention Princess Ruth having a poolua, or 2 fathers.  Kahalaia being the other husband of her mother Kalanipauahi.  It is through Kekuanaoa that Ruth is credited as an older sister to Kamehameha IV, Kamehameha V and Princess Kamamalu.  And the fact that she is a great-granddaughter of Kamehameha I was always acknowledged via her mother Pauahi, probably because she had a po'olua and as always it is via the mother that the lineage is more reliable at least when it comes to rank which is how it is recognized.  Kahalaia like Pauahi were both grandchildren of Kamehameha.  Also, the issue of first or second wife to Kamehameha, etc....I'd personally leave that out since Kamehameha had numerous wives.  Off the top of my head there was Kalakua, Kaahumanu and Namahana, all sisters.  Only Kalakua is known to give Kamehameha children and of whom Kamamalu and Kinau comes from.  Kinau was the mother of Kamehameha IV, Kamehameha V and Victoria Kamamalu.  Mamoahina 02:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Po'olua 

message: This article is very anti-Western in my opinion. The second half of the article deals with the "so-called" problems the Hawaiian people (apparently mostly the women) had with their self-image etc., and claims this was caused by the westernization ans christianization of Hawaii. Besides the fact this is total BS, this is not the right place to discuss this. There must be an article about the history of the Hawaiian people. A description of this woman's "strong" personality, fine, but with reliable and (preferably multiple) sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.46.8 (talk) 13:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He or she probably is, but I'm just saying that I believe this is not the place to discuss such matters and that it should be based on more and independent sources.(213.10.46.8 (talk) 15:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: I think there is even more than just a few dozen seeing as how you could find more photos of her on google than Kamehameha V or Kaahumanu IV.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph 

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message: Someone needs to check their math with the Princess' age.  2600:1700:4640:43D0:9C9:F115:4682:9C43 (talk) 03:35, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct age 

message: Kristin Zambucka is the author and publisher of a limited series of books. One being "The High Chiefess Ruth Keelikolani" however, her reputation as an expert in royal biographies and having been published by other publishers, is acceptable as reliable for this article per WP:RS/SPS; "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications."
Google books description: "New Zealand born author/artist/producer Kristin Zambucka has won international acclaim for her inspirational and shamanistic books and her definitive biographies of Royal Personages. Queen Elizabeth II awarded her The Queen's Service Medal."--Mark Miller (talk) 01:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self published WP:RS/SPS per guidelines