Talk:Saltwater crocodile

message: I think the 6.2 meter specimen of which only the skin was recovered and measured in 1983 in Papua New Guinea is the same specimen as the one (also of 6.2 metres) that had drowned in a fisher's net in 1979. I believe Rom Whitaker had stated that the skin they found in 1983 was from a crocodile that was killed in 1979. --95.96.192.45 (talk) 21:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Papua New Guinea specimen

message: The last editor made some kind of error in his\her formatting so that instead of 6.7 meters it no says that the longest crocodile was 67 meters, which i think is a bit too much. Since I don't know how to fix it without screwing up his\hers contribution I'll leave it to someone else to fix it up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.164.92.180 (talk) 16:11, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting error

message: erf, the section on "intelligence" needs a tone rewrite. ... aa:talk 04:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a couple sources to the bottom. It looks like somebody cleaned up the silliness in the "intelligence" section, so I went with what they did and leaned it out some. I am concerned that the section is getting close to OR, specifically Dr. Britton's. Anyways, that's somebody else's call. I have added a little bit of info to the article, and it sounds less insipid now. ... aa:talk 15:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intelligence 

message: This story has been told many times, but only in words, with no evidence, e.g. a pic or a video of corc successfully killing water buff. I highly doubt this figure. Can a croc, kill a buff???????????
I have often seen in documentations how large nile crocodiles attacked cape buffalos, so it would be very probable that salties prey also sometimes on the larger water buffalo.
Yes, the cows and young. The bulls are too much. I have watched the documentary: "Hunter: dawn of the dragons" on NGC a few times, and there's 1 scene in which a bull gaur, outraged being attacked by a large saltwater croc in Myanmar while in the water, turns back and gores the poor croc into the sky with its heavy horns, ripping it open and bleeding to death. Buffalo bulls smaller than gaur, but still, very large.- Really?  How large was the Crocodile?  Is the footage old?
Any of the bulls and even one of the bigger cows of these large cattle can succesfully resist an attack, it doesn't mean that a croc can't also take one on occasion. Water buffalo resist tigers at times quite succesfully but they still fall prey at times. Cape buffalo are spectacular fighters but crocs and lions do kill them. Will in New Haven 71.234.42.229 19:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: buffalo

message: There have been reports of larger individuals tearing down small sailboats, but on account that the people in the boat would be out at sea with a hungry crocodile, witnesses are lacking in those scenarios.
if witnesses are lacking, where do we get the reports? 67.68.205.232 06:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  er . . . 

message: Shouldn't it be "saltwater crocodile" instead of "Saltwater Crocodile?"  (unsigned)
: Lack of standard: "Mugger crocodile", "Nile crocodile" and "American crocodile" vs "Saltwater Crocodile", "Freshwater Crocodile", "Black Caiman" and "Orinoco Crocodile". Same for URLs, main entries and text. Shouldn't it be Terrible_crocodile (URL), Terrible crocodile (main entry) and terrible crocodile (text)? -- unless, of course, if Terrible is a place: in this case, Terrible crocodile (text).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.36.232.9 (talk) 07:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization? 

message: Although saltwater crocodiles are very dangerous animals, attacks on humans are infrequent....In the remaining portion of the crocodile's range, where very few attacks are reported and there's none of the precautions taken in Australia, attacks have been estimated to number up to the thousands annually.
"Infrequent" can mean thousands of attacks annually?  Is there any source for that 'thousands' that is more up to date?  If there is, I think it's incorrect to call attacks infrequent. --Niten (talk) 06:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Frequent or not?

message: I could just be blind, but I could not find any indication of the life span of the Saltwater crocodile in the article, Manning (talk) 02:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifespan 

message: There is no mention of its bite force. Which was measured (on tv by a scientist so no link unfortunataly) to be 6500 pounds.Spinodontosaurus (talk) 18:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's who I think it is, the publication should come out vaguely soon-ish, and I'll update the page when I see the paper come out. Mokele (talk) 00:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bite 

message: I took a random sample of the inline citations and many do not correspond to the figures cited - a good example of what gives Wikipedia a bad reputation. Could some admins and/or copy editors take a long hard look at the content of this article and help keep a lookout for unconstructive edits. Cheers!--Technopat (talk) 23:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits made which do NOT reflect corresponding inline citations 

message: The inline citation accompanying this text does reflect the content:
Most unreported attacks most likely occur in New Guinea,Telegraph.co.uk "Mother's tug-of-war with child-eating crocodile" where the species population is very high and precautions are few. 
--Technopat (talk) 00:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed text with inline citation... 

message: Large estuarine crocs are occasionally seen in Fiji. There are unconfirmed stories from villagers in Vanua, Rotuma, and Kandavu (1920s) of lone crocs appearing here. These are not the extinct Mekosuchines types of Fiji and NZ, but probably from the Solomon Islands, which has much higher densities of crocs than Vanuatu. They could well come by strong zonal currents eastwards near the equator and the northwards coastal undercurrent near the Solomons. If crocs came from Vanuatu they would be swimming against the South Equatorial Current. (If you want references then find them yourself. I cast my pearls before swine. Some of the pearls are fakes, but you are genuine swine ...  The Scarlet Pimpernel) Sigma-t (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unconfirmed stories aren't worth mentioning.  Bring me a corpse of a croc killed on one of these islands, or recent bones. Mokele (talk) 04:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Pacific Island Hopping 

message: Crocodile attacks could go unreported anywhere - you can't include this comment and not base it on anything besides the race of the area's inhabitants.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.124.74.181 (talk) 05:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arnhem Land 

message: When was this species first noted in the fossil record ?  How long have they been on the Australian continent ? Was it before or after the breakup of Gondwana ? --EvenGreenerFish (talk) 01:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolution 

message: I put in a request to move Saltwater Crocodile --> Saltwater crocodile per convention. The name already exists as a redirect, so an admin will have to do it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saltwater Crocodile --> Saltwater crocodile 

message: The 25th cite ("Crocodile Attack in Australia: An Analysis of Its Incidence and Review of the Pathology and Management of Crocodilian Attacks in General") is broken, does anybody have the actual link/ Cheers. Spinodontosaurus (talk) 14:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The URL had been changed. I've provided a proper  with a DOI. --Stfg (talk) 14:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Link 

message: The map should show only coastal and river estuary parts of New Guinea, Borneo, Thailand. To include the mountain spines of the Indonesian and Philippine archipelagoes is absurd. Borneo is three times the size of Great Britain and New Guinea is even larger. Luke Line 16:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Habitat map 

message: The article explains that crocodiles kill by crushing their prey and doesn`t give any refference. I alway thought they mostly drown their prey. Can anyone give a refference?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.58.145.205 (talk) 20:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crocodile kills by bite force? 

message: i am reverting the image in the taxobox in the article saltwater crocodile back to as the current image only shows the 
head in detail while the rest of the body is out of focus .the replacement image shown above shows the entire crocodile in detail.If you wih to  contest this decision please visit my talk page at User talk:Jamaican college grad or contact an administrator.
:Hi, I changed the image because of the following reasons:
:1) There's over exposure of light, masking morphological detail. (There's no overexposure of light in the previous photo)
:2) Combination of dry/muddy skin and overexposure of light prevents coloration to be visible. (Coloration of the species is easily perceived in the previous photo)
:3) Two teeth on the upper jaw of this particular animal is deformed, possibly due to a aggression between two males. (In the previous picture the animal has teeth that is typical of the species)
:4) The entire animal is photographed directly from the front, we can't see head/jaw morphology to differentiate the species. (in the previous photo, the head is viewed from the side, allows for easy identification)
:5) In terms of the angle of shot regarding body is identical in both photos. The second photo does not provide any advantage compared to the first.
:All these reasons result in the difficult identification of the species due to the pictured specimen in the new photo, even with the trained eye. The purpose of the initial photos in different/separate species pages is to underline the differences between distinct species (where in the case of crocodiles, the head and snout morphology plays the most important role), and not to show what a general crocodilian body looks like. That is the purpose of general crocodilian pages such as Crocodilia, Crocodylidae, Alligatoridae etc. However, I think this is a very cool picture and should remain on the page, but is rather "misplaced" due to function and purpose. Berkserker (talk) 01:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  image in taxobox 

message: In some older sources, the saltie is called the "double-crested" crocodile. Does anyone know where that term came from?  CFLeon (talk) 01:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "Double-crested"?

message: I think its rather strange not to find any cultural references to this animal in the article. Does anyone object to such a section being in the article ? For instance there are rock paintings of this species in Kakadu national park. The species features on stamps and coins from nations such as Borneo and Indonesia. Several prominent films (ie Crocodile Dundee on the subject) and interaction with this animal pretty much made Steve Irwin famous.--EvenGreenerFish (talk) 10:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural References 

message: Is it really necessary for the article to exhaustively list every single critter a saltie will eat if doesn't move fast enough? IMO, it's distracting.--Froglich (talk) 06:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prey 

message: I'm going to update the statement about the estimated age
of the species based on the below:
>>Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:50 PM
Re: hello - trying to verify a saltwater croc estimate . . .
From: Jamie Oaks  
Hi,
According to my estimates, Crocodylus porosus diverged from the ancestor of C.
palustris and C. siamensis between approximately 12 to 6 mya (Node 8 in Table
1). Also, I think C.  porosus first appears in the fossil record around 4.5 to
4 mya; check Molnar (1979) and Willis (1997) (references below).
The mention of 39 to 9 mya in my paper was in reference to results of Janke et
al. (2005). However, that paper had very sparse sampling of crocodylian
species.
I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions.
All the best,
Jamie
Willis, P. M. A., 1997. Review of fossil crocodilians from Australasia. Aust.
J. Zool. 30:287–298.
Molnar, R. E., 1979. Crocodylus porosus from the Pliocene Allingham for- mation
of North Queensland. Results of the Ray E. Lemley expeditions, part 5. Memoirs
Of The Queensland Museum 19:357–365.
-- 
Jamie Oaks
Postdoctoral Fellow
University of Washington
Department of Biology
Department of Statistics
Box 351800
Seattle, WA 98195-1800
>>joaks1@gmail.com
. . . HammerFilmFan (talk) 22:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respects HammerFilmFan, unless it is a published work, it shouldn't be cited in the article. Perhaps you could convince Dr Oaks (or someone else) to publish an official addendum to his work ...--EvenGreenerFish (talk) 08:31, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  revised emergence estimate based on communication with PhD/author of cite 

message: Sorry for not correcting this myself, but I haven’t got the time to be an in-depth wikipedian. :-(
There seems to be a wrong source-reading/conversion going on.
The study at http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0031781
clearly states that the strongest croc measured bit with a force of ” 16,414 N [3,689 lbs] ”.
This article seems to double the N in order to change lbs to kgs. Someone active here please check it out! :-)
:Good catch, this was all due to someone using kgf rather than lbf.  I've fixed it now. HCA (talk) 14:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bite Force: Wrong numbers 

message: I deleted the following comment: "In the large Aboriginal community of Arnhem Land, attacks frequently go unreported.". This comment was unsourced, and as a resident of this very region I can confirm anecdotally that this is utter nonsense. If needed I can provide sources to verify the number of recent fatalities in the Arnhem Land region, which from memory is perhaps 3 in the last 10 years. I also found the comment to have a racist element.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalamani (talk • contribs) 11:13, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed dubious and unsourced comment  removed. 

message: The term is also used for a cryptid as-if observed in 1909 in the Baltic Sea, in Saltsjöbaden, so saltie is not necessarily a crocodile. There is not a word on this on Wikipedia, though. Some information on the cryptid called Saltie may be found in printed sources. For example, see https://books.google.pl/books?id=z9gMsCUtCZUC&pg=PA470&lpg=PA470&dq=Saltsj%C3%B6baden+monster&source=bl&ots=JUTsgskdZV&sig=Ne9eByuahBWDH6N0cgWM0yxU9VU&hl=pl&sa=X&ei=bvSbVfjvI4fgywPT1LTACg&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Saltsj%C3%B6baden%20monster&f=false . More information on Saltie the cryptid can be found in Polish: http://www.kryptozoologia.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=917&sid=bf900ced3e06cea3a9b515bdfb40b2ac
31.11.242.188 (talk) 15:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saltie 

message: :Would someone take a look at this section that includes multiple sentence structure and other issues such as spelling? The content (before the list) is presented as one paragraph. The second sentence is too long and includes "...ancedotes or are projection from remaining skull lengths...". Anecdotes is misspelled (further down also with ...merely ancedotal.) and I am not sure what the words mean. Some sentences are just too long, with too many commas, and some may run a person out of breath like "..., large saltwater crocodiles are relatively long-bodied and tailed compared to other big crocodilians so the ratio of skull length to total length is more accurate at 1:9 (i.e. the overall length is 9 times the skull length) rather than 1:7,...". 
:The content "This section is dedicated to examples of the largest saltwater crocodiles recorded by any individual, amateur or professional, with the aim of satisfying the public interest without creating data pollution." does not belong (wrong on so many levels including policy) and if it did it should be at the beginning and not stuck in the middle of a paragraph. The entire section could stand a rewrite. Otr500 (talk) 11:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone else think that Gustave should be mentioned in the list of examples?  He is one of the more infamous crocodiles, and even animals.2601:49:1:5316:9821:FEA1:FC1:A817 (talk) 09:37, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Examples of large crocodiles" section 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: User WelcometoJurassicPark, Yes, I've seen the table but Erickson et al. (2012) never called that measurement a record, calling it so when the reference doesn't is original research and adding the original reference to that "old record" to support the statement makes it a case of WP:SYN, because not only Erickson et al. (2003) doesn't acknowledge Erickson et al. (2012) (duh) it doesn't even claim that 9,452N is a record and even if they did, it wasn't the record previous to 2012 because Erickson et al. (2004) measured an American alligator biting at 13,172N. Also why did you feel the need to bring back that unreferenced text about them crushing bovid skulls? or the estimated biteforce for an individual of hypothetical dimensions?. Mike.BRZ (talk) 22:27, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bite force 

message: There are no salt water crocodiles in jamaica and there are only a few alligators in zoo's that is, the only wild reptile are crocodile. V.cross (talk) 01:41, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  In jamaica 

message: It is infeasible for animal mass to be related to length exponentially, despite the source's claim. The alligator's volume will be roughly cubic, with a multiplier thrown in for bulking up (but that will still be a cubic). If the mass were truly exponential, then the density of the animal would need to similarly increase exponentially, which it patently does not do, as muscle and fat have a roughly constant density regardless of an animal's size (there's just more of it!)
I've put in some of the male's estimated lengths and corresponding masses into an Excel model, and an exponential best fit would estimate a 6m crocodile to weigh 3.7 tonnes (considerably more than the 1 tonne given). On the other hand, a cubic best fit gives a very close estimate with no significant residuals. I have this data in Excel, but I am a newbie, so I'm not sure how to display these graphs here for others' perusal. If some one could quickly help me, I'll gladly share these.MrHugs (talk) 12:51, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just sloppy wording - people will say "exponential" for both Y=X^A and Y=A^X, but in this case it's the former.  I dug up a reference; crocs are pretty much isometric, so mass is roughly proportional to length cubed. Another source of confusion is that their growth is truly exponential, but in the form of length = a * (1 - e^(b*t)), so that they grow more slowly as they get older. I've fixed the sentence and used a better reference. HCA (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exponential growth 

message: - Seems like the size issues have been argued into the ground multiple times already (see Talk:Saltwater_crocodile#So_much_about_the_size. and following, above), and I hope we don't need to roll up the entire issue again. Having said that, which of the sources currently used in the size section does make any clear statement about "largest crocodilian" or "largest reptile"? The most detailed source  is actually rather equivocative on the issue, basically concluding that we can't tell. I do agree that we do not need or want random fourth-hand pop science aggregators inserted into the lede to make any related points - summarize material from the body, or leave it out.
Manwë986, before you get to bluster about "admin involvement", you actually have to keep to the rules. If your previous raps on the knuckles have not taught you to, I'd suggest you get acquainted with WP:BRD right quick. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:30, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Elmidae. I do certainly not intend to roll this issue up again. But only want to make sure that a reliable source is referenced, and not as you so nicely put it, a 'random fourth-hand pop science aggregator'. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:59, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Are you saying that we ignore the open paragraph, just because the size section already contain the largest crocodilian or largest reptile? What's wrong with adding that in the open paragraph? If you think it's wrong, then why don't you do the same thing to the pages of the largest species, like ostriches? --Manwë986 (talk) 14:12, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We can absolutely put it into the lede if it is stated and referenced in the body; and it is stated in the body. However, as noted, I can't see which of the sources cited there actually makes that statement. We have , but the reference for that sentence is the one I linked above, and does NOT say so. So from which of the multiply fought-over sources in that section does that assertion come from? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:21, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

text: This is deplorable that you missed the point again!! ALL we WANT is that you REFer to RELIABLE SOURCES and STOP adding 2nd to 4th hand statements from websites. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:25, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Good grief, all that flailing and complaining - just go and find a good source (and no I don't have to be an admin to tell you to abide by our policies). You know what, if it will put a bung into this barrel of fun, I'll just do the work for you. - Here, use this:  --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:20, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: ...which is even already used as a source in the article, so just use . --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Whitaker & Whitaker 2008 list an Orinoco crocodile of 6.78 m. So imo, saltwater crocodile is 'among the largest crocodiles' is correct. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:18, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there is a distinction between largest by mass and largest by length. Britton 2012 does attest the top position of C. porosus for the former. So it may have to be "heaviest" instead of largest. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:34, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

text: As noted, "largest" can mean either heaviest or longest. The former seems fine and readily referenced, the latter not so much (even leaving aside various constrictors, there are other crocodilians that can be longer). Thus, would need to be qualified. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:14, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? I can think of plenty of examples on "unqualified" largest. Again, what of living reptile is classed as largest? For us to need a qualification here there has to be RS that contest the idea this creature is not the largest, wither by saying "it is not the largest" or by claiming another living reptile is the largest.Slatersteven (talk) 18:06, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, FFS. I am somewhat over this obsession with which predator is the largest, longest, most apex, or whatever. Feel free to hash it out with Manwë986; as long as there's a RS behind the statement, I don't really care. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:59, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

text: I revised it so to also reflect that there is some doubt. Your ref is a newspaper, and the journalist did certainly  NOT measure any crocs himself to prove his claim. BTW: the info about saltwater crocs using ocean currents is already part of this page, but ref'ed by the original peer-reviewed article. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

text: After all this lengthy discussion about this issue, I strongly recommend to rely on sources written by people who have been working with crocs and published in peer-reviewed journals. No website blogger or newspaper journalist meets these criteria as well as Whitaker & Whitaker (2008), who either personally measured croc skulls or requested their colleagues in natural history museums worldwide to do so. See the table in this publication, clearly listing 3 museums that hold skulls of false gharial and gharial that are larger than of saltwater crocodile, indicating that these specimens were larger than saltwater crocodiles in international collections. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 14:15, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

text: Skull size is an indicator for estimating total size. Do you know anybody else who measured as many crocs as the Whitakers did and published results that were reviewed by peers? If so, then list this article here. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size again... 

message: The distribution section was recently changed to have a large amount of incorrect information. First and foremost, there is no "small reintroduced" saltwater crocodile population in Vietnam. The CSG article stating this is incorrect. I have spoken with the author of this article and he has confirmed that the information is incorrect. The saltwater crocodile is EXTINCT in the wild in Vietnam. There are a small number IN CAPTIVITY in an enclosure in the Can Gio Biosphere and two individuals at the Siagon Zoo, there are no wild saltwater crocodiles left in Vietnam. In Thailand the saltwater crocodile was once present in coastal areas throughout the country, not just in Phang Nga. The species is likely extinct in Thailand, although it is possible there are very small numbers in Ranong or in Narathiwat near the borders with Myanmar and Malaysia, respectively. The mention of saltwater crocodiles currently being currently present in the Subarnarekha and Budhabalanga Rivers of Orissa is also incorrect- in Orissa the saltwater crocodile is currently restricted to Bhitarkanika National Park...there are NO populations outside of this general area, and definitely not as far north as the Subarnarekha River. They were once present throughout the entire eastern coast of India, but were eliminated from most areas by World War II. The ONLY saltwater crocodile populations currently present on mainland India are found in Bhitarkanika National Park in Orissa and the Sundarbans in West Bengal. Period. For East Nusa Tenggara there is another factual error- thus far there is no information to suggest that the saltwater crocodile is still present on Alor Island (beyond the occasional itinerant). They ARE present throughout much of the remainder of East Nusa Tenggara, but there is no information available from Alor. There really needs to be some fact checking before these edits are allowed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cporosus1 (talk • contribs) 08:33, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distribution section is NOT CORRECT 

message: The following changes need to be made to the Distribution section-
 1.) The saltwater crocodile is extinct in Vietnam, there is no "small, reintroduced population". 
 2.) The saltwater crocodile is extinct in the Subarnarekha and Budhabalanga Rivers. The only saltwater crocodile population remaining in Orissa is found in Bhitarkanika National Park and the immediate surrounding waterways. In fact, the only other saltwater crocodile population in all of mainland India is found in the Sundarbans of West Bengal.
 3.) There is currently no known population of saltwater crocodiles on Alor Island in East Nusa Tenggara. An itinerant crocodile was captured there in the last decade and populations are found on some neighboring islands, but there is no information to suggest the species isn't extinct on Alor.
Source: http://crocodilian.com/cnhc/cst_cpor_dh_map.htm Cporosus1 (talk) 08:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked cited sources in text and revised accordingly. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2020 

message: Could you link the one appearance of Hystrix indica? 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:91CE:B2E3:3191:9DE0 (talk) 12:44, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Link added – Thjarkur (talk) 12:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2020 

message: The biggest so far crocodile was shot by the famous Polish professional crocodile hunter Krystyna Pawlowska in 1957. He was killed in Norman River in Queensland, Australia. It is 8.63 m long and the animal ended up in the Guinness Book of Records. The crocodile was nicknamed Krys after Krystyna Pawlowska’s name. The sculpture - exactly the same size as Krys, was made in Townsville and transported to the town Normanton by truck. It was unveiled in 1996 in the presence of Krystyna Pawlowska and her husband Ron. Krys - The Savannah King  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.40.55 (talk) 23:09, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The biggest crocodile Krys 

message: Regarding your revert: The inclusion of scientific names is inconsistent within the article itself and not consistent with the practice at other predators, e.g. Tiger#Hunting and diet, Lion#Hunting and diet, and American black bear#Dietary habits. It is distracting (Do you really think it's necessary to identify humans as Homo sapiens?) and makes the section more difficult to read. Rublov (talk) 12:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with  I saw their recent edit removing the scientific names, and I liked it. I was disappointed to see that  reverted it. All those scientific names are unnecessary and just make the article bloated. If a reader really wanted to know them, links are provided for all of the species. Cougroyalty (talk) 16:10, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific names 

message: RE: "individual saltwater crocodiles appeared occasionally in areas far away from their general range, up to Fiji.[89]"
While you may have found a reference to back-up this claim, it is wrong. The reference you cite [89] contains no research or evidence but merely cites a further reference.  
Reference 89 is titled "Estuarine crocodiles ride surface currents to facilitate long‐distance travel" (2010) by  Campbell, Watts, Sullivan, Read, Choukroun, Irwin, & Franklin. (Irwin being the late famous Steve Irwin) The only mention of Fiji in this reference was sourced from "Webb & Manolis 1989" which was basically a glossy coffee-table book titled "Crocodiles of Australia" published by Reed Books, Sydney, AustraliaENSOsurfer (talk) 15:46, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See the ref I just added with locations + dates. – BhagyaMani (talk) 15:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saltwater crocodiles have never ranged as far as Fiji. 

message: hahahaha i got in 2001:8003:34C5:F300:F8FC:B156:EA48:9E21 (talk) 06:21, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EnIRtpf09bchat with me 06:26, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2022 

message: The most common spelling of behaviour in this article is behaviour, however, the heading is spelt "behavior" and there is one other occurrence. As the animal is not present in the US, the spelling behavior is also more inappropriate for that reason. 125.237.43.40 (talk) 08:46, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right. I have fixed the incorrect spellings. HiLo48 (talk) 09:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2022  

message: In the Hunting and Diet section, (3rd paragraph, 2nd sentence onwards) the article reads:
 
Large crocodiles, even the oldest males, do not ignore small species, especially those without developed escape abilities, when the opportunity arises. On the other hand, sub-adult saltwater crocodiles weighing only 8.7 to 15.8 kg (19+1⁄4 to 34+3⁄4 lb) (and measuring 1.36 to 1.79 m (4 ft 6 in to 5 ft 10 in)) have been recorded killing and eating goats weighing 50 to 92% of their own body mass in Orissa, India, and so are capable of attacking large prey from an early age. It was found that the diet of specimens in juvenile to subadult range, since they feed on any animals up to their own size practically no matter how small, was more diverse than that of adults, which often ignored all prey below a certain size limit.
This needs an edit. Amongst other things, the first and last lines contradict each other. Do Large Crocodiles ignore small species or not? I don't know the answer to this question but wanted to highlight it. The section also just generally doesn't read very smoothly, it keeps jumping between talking about very small and very large prey. E.g. what is: "since they feed on any animals up to their own size practically no matter how small" meant to mean? Is the word "small" referring to the size of the crocodile or the prey? Either way it could do with a re-write. 131.215.220.164 (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hunting and Diet: 

message: This phrase sounds wrong:
 In northern Australia, Western Australia, and Queensland, the saltwater crocodile is thriving
Australia's northern regions include northern WA, northern QLD, and the Top End of the Northern Territory, but if you didn't know better, you might read this sentence as meaning "northern Australia, and not-as-northern areas of WA and QLD".  Please change it to:
 In northern Australia, the saltwater crocodile is thriving
Thank you. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 00:32, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems pretty spot-on - the northern parts of WA, QLD, and NT are meant. Simplified as suggested. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2023 

message: For one, saltwater crocodiles are extinct in Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam. Secondly, this map would not even be correct from a historic standpoint, since it does not include coastal southern China. Cporosus1 (talk) 20:45, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The distribution map is terribly outdated and inaccurate