Talk:Socialist Appeal (UK, 1992)

message: 1) I am about to make some grammatical edits. The current text has such poor grammar it looks like a possible machine translation from another language. Someone might want to research copyright questions.
2) Revolutionary Communist Party (UK) is distinct from the contemporary party of that name and the article should make that clearer. -- Jmabel 10:20, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Warofdreams now informs me that the Living Marxism folks and Bob Avakian's organization were actually separate from one another, two unrelated RCPs besides the precursor to the Militant Tendency, not one. -- Jmabel 19:56, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: Just to make clear that the Militant was founded by a committee led by Jimmy Deane, and not even Grant's selected works suggests he was the founder. In addition, from a purely NPOV, although Grant's role after the second world war was important, and whilst the Militant regularly lionised Grant practically until the split, (who did not object - indeed, he ocassionally modestly pointed out his role), theory in the growing Tendency was developed in discussion on the various bodies of the Militant Tendency. The expulsion claim is also disputed and not documented. I broke up the big para.
I think also the para begining "The split was due to ..." can go. the only thing its adds is that the Majority dispute the expusion claim, which I added, but it is not important.
Andysoh 21:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  founder and theoretical leader 

message: This article seems to put the socialist appeal as a newspaper first, when, having read their website, it seems to be a political organisation first and foremost that also publishes a newspaper. Rewording needed? Jamzze (talk) 10:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The Political organisation is organised around the newspaper rather than being an organisation that happens to publish a newspaper Z.Dearg (talk) 15:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a newspaper? 

message: The party seems to have renamed itself to Revolutionary Communist Party. The title of the article should in some way reflect this? 2.30.180.253 (talk) 17:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: it hasn't done so just yet. I believe this was planned to be done in May? Genabab (talk) 16:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Change? 

message: it looks like almost every single source here comes from the IMT or from Socialist Appeal itself.
Surely this goes against Wikipedia's standards. 2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:6129:FB9A:B0EF:B0C5 (talk) 13:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The party relaunching is something that would be hard to find coverage about from the BBC or some big source. I believe I've seen statements by other communist parties (like the CPGBML) that noted the change and proceeded to criticize the party, but I'm not sure if that's really raising the bar for sourcing standards.  Jojobigbobo (talk) 05:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not entirely familiar with Wikipedia's standards but if the only sources for a political party's existence come from the party itself does it even warrant a Wikipedia page? 2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:6129:FB9A:B0EF:B0C5 (talk) 09:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: like, if we allow this degree of first-party sources then at what point does wikipedis go from an encyclopedia to a directory of Trotskyist parties? 2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:6129:FB9A:B0EF:B0C5 (talk) 09:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You can propose that the articles be merged. Wellington Bay (talk) 11:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over reliance on first party sources 

message: A draft page for the RCP has been started at Draft:Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 2024) Hewer7 (talk) 09:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft page for RCP