Talk:Dougie McDonald

message: Guardian piece. Probably not worth mentioning in the article if this will be the only coverage. --NeilN talk to me 16:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subject mentioned in right to be forgotten article 

message: Well, the article is tagged for "undue weight" and that seems reasonable. There's an awful lot of material on this one call. I guess people take this pretty serious over there or something. Anyway, sure is hard to sort out, but I'm not seeing that there was any corruption here. Looks like he made a mistake or something. That sucks. I hate it when people make mistakes. I've never made one so I only know about that as an observer, though.  :/
It's an encyclopedia article. Don't know how deep into the weeds we need to get on the details. We want to answer the question "Who is this person?" and the answer is pretty much 1) a long-term football referee who 2) got himself in a pretty big controversy which ended up with a strike and him resigning and everything and then 3) an early "right to be forgotten" case. He's not really that notable a person. The refs are there if you want to really dig into the guy's life. 
Probably this amount of detail would be OK if it wasn't a tagged BLP. We're supposed to take tags on BLPs pretty seriously. Granted this is for undue weight rather than unreferenced defamatory material or something which would be much worse, but it's still a tag saying that the BLP is not right and not right in a way that is contrary to the subject's interests and needlessly so. The point I guess is that just spending so much prose on the incident, even if there's nothing directly negative in the material, casts the rest of his presumably no-worse-than-the-next-guy private-citizen life into shadow.
So I cut it down, a lot. It's an attempt. By all means put it back if you want and let's look at it how else we can fix this. But let's not ignore the assertion of undue weight. You can refute it and we can talk about about but for a BLP the burden would be to show that all this is necessary to answering the question "Who is Dougie McDonald?" at a level appropriate for an encyclopedia.
Couple other minor points: what is a "match observer". It looks to me like its some sort of person who attends a match and is employed by the league in some official capacity. Maybe the head referee, can't tell. I changed it to "league official" so regular people can understand it. If you want to restore it, explain it please. An article Match official would be great.
I'm not really happy with "Another referee was given a lifetime ban" (it's ref'd). There's certainly no need to name him (he's a private citizen) and so let's not. But even including the reference sticks in my craw a little bit. I'd rather it wasn't there but I wasn't sure it's not necessary or helpful. Herostratus (talk) 22:53, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Most referees do not meet WP:GNG except the famous ones such as Pierluigi Collina. I agree with the decision to trim the controversy section because it was becoming too long and out of step with the letter and spirit of WP:BLP.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re undue weight 

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