Talk:Patrick Moore

message: Perhaps there's someone in Wikipedia who could give me one or more answers to questions I have asked myself since the day I started exploring the rich history of selenography (the art of making moonmaps). Many years ago I explored and investigated the somewhat greenish colored map of the moon's near side in Patrick Moore's Atlas of the Universe (the 1983 edition), and I came across several names which look'd rather strange, such as the Loro basin near crater Parrot, the Lothrop hills near crater Euler, the Andreus hills near crater Gassendi, the Leon hills near crater Wichmann in Oceanus Procellarum, the Mishqui basin south of Mare Crisium, Morotcha near the upper rim of Mare Vaporum, the Mitika peak near crater Jansen in Mare Tranquillitatis, etc... These names are not IAU-related (they do not appear in the lists of the International Astronomical Union), and also not in the list of 100 "new names" from Hugh Percy Wilkins and his Spanish friends (Gerard P. Kuiper didn't want to know about these 100 "new" names). Could they (those strange names on that greenish colored moonmap) have been from Patrick Moore himself? -Danny Caes, Ghent-Belgium, tuesday the 14th of april, 2020.
Patrick Moore was a known flake when it came to the truth, it would be entirely in character for him to make a map and name some features as he desired, IAU and everyone else be damned.  He claimed in his autobiography to have personally discovered Mare Orientalis, for example.
Dr.gregory.retzlaff (talk) 04:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: According to https://www.the-moon.us/wiki/Mysterious_names_on_Rand_Mc.Nally%27s_moonmap , these names, along with the name Golubiz cluster (hillocks between Campanus and Kies), appear on Rand Mc.Nally's moonmap. This may have been Moore's source for these names; if so, they were not his own invention. 86.31.65.236 (talk) 23:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange lunar nomenclature in Patrick Moore's Atlas of the universe. 

message: Just for the record, an IP made this edit on 18 March 2021, adding this text:
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This was correctly removed here with the edit summary "rv good faith edit, this is completely WP:OR and it changes nothing, because Moore never gave enough details for Lorna to be traced as a real person". Yes, it is WP:OR, and yes it changes nothing, but it just goes to show that Moore's claim that Lorna was "was killed in London in 1943 by a bomb which struck her ambulance" is not currently supported by that Commonwealth War Graves Commission online database. I have no idea how comprehensive or accurate the database may be. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There can't be many people called Lorna who were killed in London in 1943 when a bus struck an ambulance, so if this happened the incident would probably have been traced by now. What the article doesn't say is that Martin Mobberley heard Moore tell various stories about Lorna, some of them inconsistent, and Mobberley believed that Lorna may have been a fictional character. This is discussed in several previous talk page threads (see above).--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You assume that Lorna is her "proper" name, not always the case people can use a name other than what was registered. MilborneOne (talk) 20:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody has been able to trace a matching civilian casualty from 1943, and this has set off some suspicion about the Lorna story. Mobberley says that the Lorna story did not appear until many years after the war, and that it may have been used to explain why he never married.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lorna 

message: Re this edit: since I can't see what is in this source, it's hard to know what it says. Can someone give more detail?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the GoogleBooks url to Mobberley (2013) and using that link I'm able to see mention of "Lorna" on pages 28 and 29 (as well as on a few others). So I'm not sure what that edit summary was intended to mean. I think the text should be reinstated. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:30, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've read this (thank goodness for Google Books) and agree to some extent that it is "not found in cited source" as it would be more accurate to say that no-one has been able to pinpoint a person who might have been Lorna due to Moore's vague and often varying accounts. The wording could be improved here, but the basic point is in the book.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it's the "despite the meticulous records kept of wartime civilian casualties" that's the problem? (although the word "meticulous" is used 10 times in that book) Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Moore said that the incident occurred in "early July 1943", but this never proved to be enough to identify her.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose we reinstate "Some doubt has arisen over Moore's account, as researchers have been unable to identify Lorna." with the same p.28 source. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, incidentally Moore's claim to have met Orville Wright is also questioned in Mobberley's 2013 book. Mobberley says that Moore told varying stories about this as well and they never quite added up. It's the old WP:AUTO problem.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:50, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Ah, not this one, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As matter of interest, I tried googling for Lorna's (with no surname) in the CWGC Debt of Honour database who died during 1943. There were only two Lornas altogether, neither of them civilians killed in this country. (The majority of names that came up in response to my goggle were Lorne's.Cloptonson (talk) 18:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Not found in cited source" 

message: I wonder if this section needs reorganising into chronological order. At the moment, it jumps back and forth a great deal (1970s, 1980s, 2001, 1950s, 2003, 1980s...) ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political views