Talk:Thunderbird (mythology)

message: Please see the discussion at talk:Thunderbird_(disambiguation). - UtherSRG 20:11, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: {{anchor|comments}} Dab page 

message: Although the text removed is recording sightings of doubtful scientific accuracy, in my opinion that is not enough reason to remove them. DJ Clayworth 17:48, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree with DJ Clayworth. Added comments are necessary indications to the story. In fact, the text added was enough to inspire months of following the Thunderbird, almost uniquely as a god/spirit. See user edits between Rowe and I and, please back me in democratically trying to restore them. They come from the International Council of 13 Indigenous Grandmothers. EM Che (talk) 22:53, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Those comments you are referring too are from 7 years ago. No pseudoscientific, fringe, new agey bullshit will be added to this article, per our policies on WP:FRINGE, WP:UNDUE, and WP:RELIABLE. Also, see WP:NOTDEMOCRACY. Inclusion in Wikipedia is not decided by democratic vote counting. There is no right to edit Wikipedia, no freedom of religion or the press, not a place to crusade for your beliefs, or whatever other misunderstanding you may have about WP. What matters is does it follow our policies for accuracy, verifiability and reliability. The nonsense you want to add does not. Stop with this please. Heiro 23:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sightings 

message: I did a little work on the page Tatoosh Wilderness and the page Tatoosh that may or may not be helpful to the editor that takes on the task of getting the references for this page.  It is my understanding the "tatoosh" is the word for Thunderbird. Jeepday 03:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tatoosh 

message: This article needs to be worked on a lot.  Between the skepticism and scientific citations, it still continues to be a big part of Indigenous culture, spirituality, and beliefs to this day.  I'll work on it as much as I can, but I'll need help for editing afterwards.  I just feel something as important as one of the gods needs to be fixed up more.  OldManRivers 13:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Work

message: :In 2002, a new sighting in Alaska was announced; the most probable explanation was a stray Steller's Sea Eagle.
Where and when?  Myself I remember something from a flight from the Panhandle to upper Alaska back in the late '90s or so, maybe early '00s, where passengers of a commercial liner all saw a giant bat-winged bird somewhere over the Malaspina or Kluane icefields; nobody thought to take a picture of course (?).  This sounds more like Crooked Beak, one of the three bird-servants of Cannibal-Giant-at-the-North-End-of-the-World from Kwakwaka'wakw lore, though, than it does a thunderbird; coulda been Hook-nosed Beak though, I guess ;-).Skookum1 23:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This artical needs more information in it, For the artifact projects in the eighth grade they need precise information for their typing report they all come to me telling me they can't find information— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.66.202.21 (talk) 19:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alaska sighting details?

message: OldManRivers, could you please have a look at this, which is a splinter article off Thunderbird that I wrote; I'm pretty sure the main version that I was raised with was from the Comox, from an old school text which also included Forbidden Plateau, which perhaps you could also look at.  The differences between Pacific Northwest thunderbird lore (a handy older English word which I use also for my own hereditary cultures as opposed to mythology, stories etc; it also implies "learning") and Southwest versions should also be laid out; and I suspect the California peoples, or some of them, have their own.  Might even be in Eastern/Southeast peoples - I'll ask User:Phaedriel (she's Comanche), but I'm not sure she's back from wikibreak.  Thunderbird's a large topic in the long run, doncha think?  BTW have you ever heard of the Piasa?  Might have to do with Cahokia, which is another big topic area of unknowns and "lost lore", like so much else everywhere (as also in Europe, cf. Skara Brae, Drogheda, Avebury, et al.).  The Thunderbird and Whale article also needs more references; and I'm sure there's Kwakwaka'wakw versions, if this one's not already Kwakwaka'wakw and not Comox, and I know the Thunderbird figures among the Haida, though not as prominently as Raven.Skookum1 00:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Thunderbird and Whale]]

message: I'm not in the mood to do it just now, but the cryptozoology, teratorn and sporting teams section are ALL INAPPROPRIATE here and shyoluld be moved; this page is supposedly for indigneous-culture content; there's already Thunderbird (cryptozoology) and similar for the other sections, additions to this page should have to do with aboriginal mythology.  Period.Skookum1 (talk) 17:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I forgot how bad this article is.  I'll do my best to get to this and re-write/write more on it.  I'll search for some sources in the meantime, then write away soon.  Thanks for reminding me.  OldManRivers (talk) 19:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted a mention on Talk:Thunderbird (cryptozoology) about trimming/migrating what's here, with 24hrs I'll go ahead and do it; not sure about the sports stuff, it oculd be on the disambiguation page if it weren't directly linked, i.e. historically, to the NW thunderbird myths/image.Skookum1 (talk) 19:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: All three sections inappropriate here

message: *Indian History of the Northwest - Siwash by J.A. Costello, 1909, has some useful survey items on the Thunderbird myth across different peoples as perceived by white people of the time (i.e. this isn't an indigenously-accurate source).  Starts on page 53, "Twana Thunderbird" but continues on into next chapters also, covering Costello's impression of Haida, Nuu-chah-nulth, Lakota/Dakota and other thunderbird myths.Skookum1 (talk) 17:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Source, dated but useful

message: Why is there an article specifically for cryptozoology and then this article which says it's not for cryptozoology, but all the article is is cryptozoology? Now I need to look someplace else for information on the mythical Thunderbird. 24.218.218.197 (talk) 18:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cryptozoology

message: Should Black Tusk and Mount Cayley be included this article? They are landing places of the Thunderbird. Black Tusk 19:06, 03 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We could, but we'll be adding like a few dozen mountains up and down the coast. I obviously don't know them all, but I've heard of mountains from Alaska to Washington.  Actually, there's a cool story about the Thunderbird wrestling with the Sea-serpent someone in the Puget Sound.  Anyways, we can. OldManRivers (talk) 21:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Tusk and Mount Cayley

message: Something is botched up at the end of the article, with a bunch of blank boxes taking up space and the categories neutralized. Anyone know how to fix that?--24.255.171.220 (talk) 03:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: End section

message: No mention of the film "The Mothman Prophecies"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.88.29 (talk) 16:18, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No WP:RELIABLE source that passes WP:UNDUE to cite it? Heiro 16:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depictions in popular culture 

message: Longstanding merge request, but I can't find sources. It should either be a redirect/merge or sent to AfD. Doug Weller (talk) 11:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tseiqami]] 

message: These need to be included for a full article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordKelvinsMoniker (talk • contribs) 19:31, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For an article about the mythological thunderbird? Ehh, no. This is an article about about a mythological creature, not cryptozoology. There may be a place for that here on wikipedia, but this article is emphatically NOT IT. Heiro 03:53, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusions of Modern Sightings and More Detailed Stories from Indigenous People 

message: The last sentence of the lead paragraph mentions its "cryptid" status, but this is not covered in the body. I suggest this should be removed from the lead or added to the body. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:09, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Cryptid statement in lead

message: It is insulting to many indigenous peoples of this continent to refer to our deities as “mythological”. “Jesus” as a Christian deity is not referred to as a mythological being. D L Means (talk) 06:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than screw up templates, perhaps you could put in a deity-infobox template and consider gaining consensus to changing the title from "Thunderbird (mythology)" to "Thunderbird (deity)"?--Mr Fink (talk) 15:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please remove mythology from title.