Talk:NFL Most Valuable Player Award

message: Joe Schmidt was not an MVP in  1960. There is no proof that he was, otehr that the error i nthe Ap release year after year. In 1959 Johnny Unitas was teh AP MVP, not Conerly. Conerly was the NEA MVP. For years teh AP has released the same old list . . . They still say GIno Marchetti was the 1958, he was not. Jim Brown was. Marchetti and Schmidt were teh AP linemen of the year those years. Conerly is a flot-out mistake.12.41.183.194 (talk) 22:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1959 MVP and 1960 MVP 

message: This page was recently vandalized by hoax entries with awards ten years in the future. This page could do with a verification for accuracy due to the vandalism. QQ 15:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future year hoaxes 

message: Let's try to remain civil and figure this out. I gave you the link: Here's some more Marchetti at databasefootball: Jim Brown at databasefootball: Let's not turn this into a competition, if you're right great if I am great. In the end it doesn't matter anyway. Quadzilla99 01:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was nothing in the NYT archives here's one more saying Marchetti won it: Quadzilla99 02:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I  moved it back in there, my belief is that this is an interesting encyclopedic addition that adds to the article. It also corrects many erors prevalent online and makes it more of an article than just a list. Incidentally I didn't add it User:Jturney did, we did discuss it at length though. Quadzilla99 20:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the discussions on our talk pages. Quadzilla99 20:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about if we put it in a footnote instead? I feel that it detracts from the article, which is a list of winners. Sorry I attributed it wrong, I didn't examine the history enough. -- Sprkee 00:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it to a footnote. Quadzilla99 01:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, I just made the font smaller. Thanks! --Sprkee 03:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1958 MVP

message: It is a common misconception that Gino Marchetti was the Associated Press Most Valuable Player in 1958. In fact, sources such as NFL.com and others list him as such. The actual winner was Jim Brown who received 22 votes. The runner-up was Johnny Unitas. Marchetti was the AP NFL Lineman of the Year, an award that existed from 1956 through 1960. Most current newspapers reprint the annual Associated Press release, which at some point, apparantly confused the awards for the 1958 season. 
        
Images of an Associated Press articles, appearing nationwide, on Jan. 12 and Jan 13, 1959. These are from the Oakland Tribune which reprinted the AP article.
Originally posted in main article by Quadzilla99
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:I  moved it back in there, my belief is that this is an interesting encyclopedic addition that adds to the article. It also corrects many erors prevalent online and makes it more of an article than just a list. Incidentally I didn't add it User:Jturney did, we did discuss it at length though. Quadzilla99 20:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the discussions on our talk pages. Quadzilla99 20:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about if we put it in a footnote instead? I feel that it detracts from the article, which is a list of winners. Sorry I attributed it wrong, I didn't examine the history enough. -- Sprkee 00:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it to a footnote. Quadzilla99 01:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, I just made the font smaller. Thanks! --Sprkee 03:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marchetti-Brown 1958 award confusion

message: I am thinking we can reorganize the information here to make it much easier to follow.  Additionally, I think we can expand on the text of the article.  What I would like to do is combine the awards into one table.  Thus, years stay down the left hand side and the top lists the awards (perhaps alphabetically left to right).  I would start with 2k6 at the top and go in descending order.  The only down side to this that I can see is that we might want to remove the team information from the table for usability.  What are your thoughts? Jmfangio| ►Chat  04:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be great. It would clarify that there is often a big difference in opinion between the various awarding entities. How about a single column for each award, with player/team/position in each entry?--BillFlis 12:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page has what I think is a nice way of organizing such a master table.--BillFlis 12:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: * That's an interesting way of doing it.  You like that better than doing one column for each award? Jmfangio| ►Chat  21:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, you volunteered to do it :), so it's up to you. I'm just afraid that the column-per-award format won't fit, especially if we have 8 or 10 MVP awards (current and defunct).--BillFlis 23:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article reorganization suggestion 

message: This page lists ten NFL MVP awards received by Barry Sanders in 1997: Associated Press, Miller Lite, Maxwell Award (which should certainly read "Bert Bell Award"), Sporting News, Pro Football Weekly, Football Digest, Sports Illustrated, College & Pro Football Weekly, ESPN “Espy” Award, and Touchdown Club of Columbus. This page says "The NFL/Miller Lite Player of the Year was introduced in 1997 as the official, league-sanctioned MVP award." BTW, Sanders's wikiarticle used to mention that he won the Bert Bell Award (twice), but now no longer does; not notable or vandalized?--BillFlis 12:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * The Bert Bell Award seems notable enough.  I'm not sure I'd call the Miller Lite award very notable.   What are your thoughts Jmfangio| ►Chat  21:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Miller Lite MVP is very strange. That ref I mentioned says it's endorsed by the NFL as "official", but I can find hardly anything on the web, even on Miller Brewing's site. Just an occasional mention of a winner, that's all.--BillFlis 23:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: * Okay so a couple of quick questions.  A) Do you understand how they associate the individual with the award?  I am unable to tell who actually won what award?  B) Regardless of format, I can rework what is already in the article into the new version and then we can always add and remove "sections".  What do you think of that? Jmfangio| ►Chat  23:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean, how do they vote? This is where I think this article needs work. I have added that for the Bert Bell Award into its article (it's spelled out pretty clearly at Maxwell Club's web site). Also, if an award is now defunct, that should be mentioned, otherwise someone might just think the table is incomplete.--BillFlis 10:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: * No, sorry about that.  I meant something else, but i answered my own question moments later, i just forgot to "adjust" this for that.  Are you okay with my suggestion for format of the table? Jmfangio| ►Chat  10:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: * So I think we should do two tables if we use the format I propose (one for defunct and one for current)./  We should probably then just use this article to explain all the various awards as I can't imagine that it would be so long as to necessitate separate articles.  What do you think?  If it does get too long then we can move the table(s) that house the information to List article. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  17:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some MVP awards are missing

message: Rich Gannon was the 2002 mvp, not Ray Lewis. Johnnyt471 (talk) 18:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2002 ap mvp 

message: I see that elsewhere in this discussion, the Bert Bell Award was brought up, but no action was really taken. It strikes me that this article ought to feature it more; a list of winners, or at least a prominent mention to get people to link over to it. Thoughts? MrArticleOne (talk) 18:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bert Bell 

message: I rolled back the page, someone had listed Tom Brady as winning the past 5 MVPs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.247.244.236 (talk) 02:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Brady 

message: Press Release
Jim Thorpe Association				
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Oklahoma City, OK 73137
2008 NFL MVP -  Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner has been named the Jim Thorpe Association/Newspaper Enterprise Association /NFL Players Association 2008 NFL “Most Valuable Player”.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by McDanny74 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 NEA/Jim Thorpe Trophy 

message: What's with all these bogus awards? The Miller Lite award? Seriously? When people refer to the MVP award no one ever means anything other than the AP award. Some of these awards look like pure trivia. Aaron Bowen (talk) 17:46, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Still waiting for an answer... Aaron Bowen (talk) 16:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Bogus awards

message: Just to further discuss the early years of the AP award, NFL.com released a PDF link that lists the NFL MVPs right here.  Some of the previous links posted in this discussion are no longer valid and I can't link to the Pro Football Weekly website to dispute the AP's award.  For 1959, they list Charley Conerly as the MVP.  For 1960, Norm Van Brocklin is listed as a separate winner.  Considering this is listed on the NFL website, I believe the page should be updated to reflect this.  Spriggins (talk) 22:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NFL.com link to MVP 

message: So has it ever been confirmed that AP did give an award this year or not? Smith03 (talk) 22:59, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There were no AP awards in 1960, only an All-Pro team24.49.143.140 (talk) 19:11, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: AP 1960 award

message: Currently, the opening paragraph contains the following copy:
:Peyton Manning has won the award four times in his career, the most of any NFL player. Jim Brown, Johnny Unitas, and Brett Favre all were named MVP three times, while Joe Montana, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, and Tom Brady each won the award twice.
In this edit, it correctly uses the present perfect tense to describe Manning's four wins.  This lets us know that he has already won but is still active and may continue to accumulate more such awards.  However, there is a problem with the two-time winner's sentence.  In this sentence, the simple past tense is used for all four winners.  However, this is not the best way to phrase it, because Tom Brady, as an active player, may yet win it again (unlikely as it may seem).
I am going to once again correct this, to reflect Brady's active status, and I would appreciate not being reverted without someone first coming here to explain themselves.  Cheers. 98.82.34.127 (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Brady, two time MVP 

message: "To sort table, click on heading." The main table is not sortable. Probably this is one article in a collection that should make every such table sortable, or not. --P64 (talk) 21:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sort table 

message: * Unitas named Player of the Year By AP Skippypeanuts (talk) 06:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: 1959 newspaper article about 1959 winner

message: I was thinking of maybe adding a table to show how many times whatever position has won the award. Thoughts? Zdawg1029 (talk) 02:46, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Which award? Lizard (talk) 02:54, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table by position 

message: See the color coded shading. He is incorrectly shown as a member of the Hall of Fame. 
pzambitoPzambito (talk) 06:43, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because he is a member of the hall of fame. Lizard (talk) 07:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ken Stabler is incorrectly shown as a member of the Hall of Fame 

message: SN is part of the NFL history of MVP Awards, it is recognized on Total Football II: The Official Encyclopedia of the NFL, it is Also offocial in the 2011 NFLPA CBA and is used to determine bonuses and is also used in the Official NFL Record and Fact Book.
This article is about the NFL MVPS, all of them. No one can just play favorites just because they errantly think the AP is official. The AP MVP has it's own article and is here. So, SN stays69.130.16.203 (talk) 20:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sporting News 

message: Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#The_layout_of_the_NFL_MVP_page_is_causing_confusion for discussion AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards split out articles 

message: I'm curious why the Bert Bell Award entries aren't included as part of the list on this page for National Football League Most Valuable Player Award. Is it due solely to the nomenclature used? On the Bert Bell Award page, it describes the recipient as the "player of the year" and does not make mention of "most valuable player", but those two terms seem fairly interchangeable. In the lead of the Wikipedia article for Most valuable player, it says, "The term is most common in the United States and Canada. In most other countries around the world, "player of the year" is used for a season-spanning award and "player of the match" for individual games", while on the page for Player of the year award, "In the United States, this type of award is usually called a Most Valuable Player award". Based on this, I would argue that the Bert Bell Award recipients should be included in the table, though if anyone is opposed, I'm open to discussion. JJonahJackalope (talk) 04:11, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Bert Bell Award recipients to the list