Talk:Pwn/Archive 3

message: I noticed a few things that look a lot like the page has been vandalized, so I'm gonna be bold and fix it.
... one of these days, maybe I'll even create an account. XD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.192.124.97 (talk) 00:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Was there a particular reason why the section on degrees of pwnage was removed?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Heliomance (talk • contribs) 13:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it was unsourced and looked purely like original research. --Onorem 13:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Heliomance 13:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: On second thoughts, the whole article is technically original research. While the section as it stood probably wasn't great, a section on how it can be modified to produce extra emphasis would probably be good. Or would that better go on the leet page? Heliomance 20:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that the whole article is technically original research. I do believe that there is still too much original research in the article. That would indicate that the article needs more cleanup.  It would not be an excuse for adding more original research, either here or at leet. --Onorem 13:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The very nature of the subject is such that it is extremely difficult to have it as anything other than original research as there are no citable sources. Personally, I think Wikipedia:IAR is appropriate.Heliomance 14:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it is difficult to find good sources for the page, but I don't think that means we should ignore rules regarding verifiability and original research.  I would personally rather see the entire page deleted then have it opened up for every 1337 gamer to come in and leave their own random interpretations of the term. If the next guy's definition of the degrees of pwnage differ from your version, who's gets to stay?  --Onorem 14:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a valid point. In that case I may create a humour page for various leet conjugations and suchlike, and put the old section there as it was amusing. Heliomance 19:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Degrees of pwnage 

message: In one of the quests a NPC says " Great Job, you pwned him ", It was an error meant to type own instead of pwn.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.137.231 (talk • contribs) 
:Can you find a reliable source that agrees that's the origin? --Onorem 00:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt that's the origin of the word.. WoW was released in 2004 and in my experience, the word was in use before that too. Of course, when the word became popular it started to appear in many places.. - Simeon87 12:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Pwn is almost universally agreed to have been around long before WoW. It would still be good to put that example into the article, albeit not as an origin story, if you could take a screenshot of the NPC saying that. Heliomance 14:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Its from World of Warcraft 

message: This article is available in Italian, Portuguese and Norweigan. Does that mean that Italians, Portuguese and Norweigans pwn each other too? --Candy-Panda 09:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: English is a fashionable language; hence Italian, Portuguese, and Norwegian gamers with a rudimentary command of English probably adopted this word as fashionable jargon. English gamers use über, a German word, as fashionable jargon, too. As for whether those gamers pwn one another, of course: gaming crosses language barriers, and so do silly words. Rintrah 11:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pwned in other languages 

message: As it stands, the article's expanation of the term is obscure, as it assumes that all readers will know about U.S. adolescent slang. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 17:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the term is gamer slang—equally likely to be used by someone from England, Australia, or Canada. Its origin is in own, and is most fervently used in the 1337 vernacular. The former gives it its meaning; the latter gives it a life of its own. It's a pointless word. Little brats use it for their trivial amusement; see the article's edit history for examples. Rintrah 16:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People need to stop randomly debating this... look, its a lot older than most of you seem to realize, and some of the earlier purported and documented cases are not even from gaming, in fact they are from other internet usages such as IRC.  Lets actually stop debating the original use of the word because it won't be found.  Also, lets keep the self serving snide remarks out of this if we will?  Thanks. --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 05:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation 

message: Isn't it a rumor that pwn originated as a typo on xbox live?-TheVofSteel
:Although pinpointing the origin has proven to be difficult, there is no question that the term originated well before xbox live existed. Rumors don't belong here unless they've been reported on by multiple reliable sources. --Onorem 02:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox Live Rumor 

message: I got the impression somewhere that the p was a 13375p34k corruption of the letter o derived from the resemblance of a cursive letter o that has both a long lead in and a short tail on top and that is then rotated counterclockwise 90 degrees.
Mrcaseyj 08:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Somehow I doubt that gamers particularly care about cursive script. Again, unless you can find and cite reliable sources, this is just a rumour and not a very likely one at that. Heliomance 15:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letter P as rotated cursive letter O 

message: yeah the pronce section dosen't say anything about that, and its been a growing proble amungst the nerds at my high school lunch table. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.61.214.72 (talk) 03:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, "[pən]" is pretty similar to "pawn" in pronunciation. Admittedly, the IPA symbols don't give very clear indications of what the pronunciations are. Anyone feel like going through the IPA page there and giving perhaps rhyming words or at least real-English phonetic equivalents? Nique talk 03:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Heliomance 13:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  i know alot of people who prononce it like Pawn, like the chess piece. 

message: If Wikipedia does not allow IMDB to be used as a refrence, urban dictionary should probably not be used either. Does anyone else have comments?  - Hairchrm  22:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is urban dictionary refrenced? 

message: Hey
I was told that Pwn came from being check mated by a pawn in chess. This explains why it is used in a taunting manner, since being mated by a pawn is humiliating.
Anyone else heard this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.50.170.14 (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pwn came from pawn in chess 

message: A magazine from way back in time called Phrack World News —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.88.165.151 (talk) 18:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, PWN stands for Phrack World News, and yes, that has been cited.  However, there is no appearance of PWN being used as a verb in reference to the publication, as claimed in this Wikipedia article.  So, I have inserted a citation needed" after the offending sentence.  The referenced external link about Master Locks does not support the conclusion that PWN is the origin of "pwn" as a verb, so I have removed it. kostmo 04:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PWN Stands For Something 

message: It has struck me that a Welsh slang term for beating someone up and fighting is 'pwno'. This is obviously not the origin of the term used today, but 'pwned' does indeed sound like an English play on the Welsh word.
Ycymro 21:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coincidental similarity! 

message: Would you say pwnd or pwnt? Like "I pwnd you" or "I pwnt you." Or is it pwned? Pwnet? Does anyone know? Jedi_feline | Talk 06:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Often pwned or pwn'd. - Slow Graffiti 17:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pwnd or pwnt? 

message: It could possibly evolved in part from "debt bondage", if you read that article it talks about "pawnage" and "peonage", aka calling someone a "peon" for not having a backbone. 70.176.230.110 21:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hmm another theory... 

message: This article has a clone on Wiktionary (same section titles). Indeed, I think the place for this expression is on Wiktionary, not here. I don't understand why there is this page on Wikipedia.
Grasyop ✉ 11:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiktionary 

message: Language Log has a blog entry on the pronunciation of pwn.  -- Coneslayer 12:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language Log 

message: Fogell is not referred to as the "anti-pwn" in the movie Superbad. Seth refers to Fogell as the "anti-poon" due to his awkward appearance and nasal voice. It clearly makes more sense than "anti-pwn", as the entire movie revolves around three teenagers and their sexual frustrations.
Aequanimus 01:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superbad Misquote