Talk:Jonah Lomu

message: I deleted this sentence because the statistic about waist size is unreferenced and patently false - he was not a wasp - and I cannot see how to rewrite the sentence without it.
"However, his waist measurement of Jonah Lomu is fat.... by Michael Hahn The Guardian 17 September 2002 implies a Body Shape Index consistent with a healthy weight." 146.200.236.229 (talk) 02:19, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced implausible statistic 

message: Nice work, fellow Wikipedians. This article has come a LONG way in the last year!! 
Compare it with version 31579393
~~ Papeschr 06:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest revision 

message: The opening paragraphs need better reference with Jonah's childhood / upbringing / early personal life as is customary in Wikipedia. His story was personally documented in Sky's "Anger Within" so not a huge secret. The more trivial stuff can be expanded on lower down like his financial problems, without unnecessary detail about car finance and house rental which is tittle tattle. Yes he did have a difficult / unusual upbringing, stormy / difficult relationships, fell ill. Someone with health problems is likely to run into financial difficulties. Can we just stick with more rounded facts and fix the opening.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.99.97 (talk) 09:51, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening / Personal Life 

message: Manukau Magpies club * Londo06 17:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: RL

message: I think this article needs a lot of grammatical work. dunno how it got GA... me no grammatist unfortunately.Boomshanka
:Do you have any examples or is this just a general feeling? If you see something to fix, feel free to edit it yourself. Other editors will review it. Also, a tip: sign your comments with four tildes, like this: ~~~~. Cheers, Ropata 13:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Style

message: More references are needed. Some sentences needing them are:
* At one time Lomu was considered 'rugby union's biggest drawcard'
* Will Carling told reporters
* After the game, Carling was quoted as saying
And sentences like Lomu's physique was particularly suited for rugby as he is beast like in size, lightening quick, and as strong as an ox - qualities he augments with aggression, skill, and an intimidating presence on the field. are almost poetic but not encyclopedic. -- ReyBrujo 04:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have fixed most of those things. I'll work on it more later when I have time. It's not going to take much work to fix up I don't think. I have not referenced "rugby union's biggest drawcard" yet but that is certainly not controversial. I'll do it eventually though. - Shudde talk 05:16, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References and polishing 

message: The article in its present form provides almost no mention of Lomu's career in New Zealand, at either NPC or Super 12 (as it was then) level. For instance, his appearances for Wainuiomata, which are of little consequence to his overall career, are mentioned over his Super 12 titles with the Auckland Blues. A splitting of his career into 'domestic' and 'international' would be of benefit to address this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.116.170 (talk) 15:53, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome to propose some well-sourced sentences to insert. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but personally I wouldn't split, just add brief mentions under the years. Currently I am just trying to get it up to front page standard by filling in missing cites and tightening up the prose a bit. AIRcorn (talk) 06:23, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic career 

message: IN : ==Early career==
Jonah Lomu played rugby league at school until 14 years
Jean Cazenave (talk) 19:01, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2015 

message: Thoughts on the statement referring to the death of Jerry Collins in a car crash in June? Several editors have removed the statement as irrelevant, and I'm inclined to agree: it was over five months ago with the only connection being the same nationality and sport. One editor has reverted the removals four five times (breaching WP:3RR), and suggesting that it is relevant because it is mentioned multiple times in the media, although there was only one reference with a former player saying both Lomu and Collins had died this year. --Canley (talk) 03:40, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Canley, my rationale is very simple: 1) There are many sources which connect the two deaths—not just the one i provided. But i don't see the need to add every reference that backs my position. Do a simple Google search of "Jonah Lomu Jerry Collins" within the past 24 hours and you will see my point. 2) of course many prominent people die within months of each other; however, these two are quite intimately linked. Both played in the same teams, both died (according to commentators) tragically young, both were prominent islander rugby players.I hope this may convince you.--Appleweb (talk) 04:13, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: One died in a car crash the other of a long term illness. I am not even sure they played together for the All Blacks (their careers only just overlap, although they would have played for the Hurricanes together). It is just a sad coincidence that they died within a couple of months of each other. It is only natural that some rugby players and commentators would mention Collins when remembering Lomu, but most I have seen are similar to the one you presented (reflections on the fragility of life). At the very least it needs better context. This version appears like it is just tacked on. That is half the problem and probably why it has been removed so many times by different editors. If it is kept it needs to explain why it is relevant in the article (using sources to do so). AIRcorn (talk) 06:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jerry Collins co-incidence 

message: 203.32.142.33 (talk) 04:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can provide a source I will happily add that. AIRcorn (talk) 06:17, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2015 

message: === Death ===
It has been speculated by medical experts that Jonah Lomu's sudden cardiac arrest and death was likely caused by pulmonary embolism brought on by his long aeroplane flight from Dubai, a condition for which his nephrotic syndrome put him at high risk.
203.32.142.33 (talk) 04:25, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Stickee (talk) 05:50, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noticed this discussion. According to this from the London Evening Standard the most likely cause of death was venous thromboembolism. John Mayhew, the former All Blacks physician, is quoted as saying: "We think the most likely cause was a clot on the lung which can be a complication of long distance travel. Jonah was at greater risk of that happening because of his renal condition." Personally though I think we should wait to see if there is any official announcement on this. This is Paul (talk) 23:07, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2015 

message: It has been speculated by medical experts that Jonah Lomu's sudden cardiac arrest and death was likely caused by pulmonary embolism brought on by his long aeroplane flight from Dubai, a condition for which his nephrotic syndrome put him at high risk.
203.32.142.33 (talk) 04:25, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Stickee (talk) 05:50, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noticed this discussion. According to this from the London Evening Standard the most likely cause of death was venous thromboembolism. John Mayhew, the former All Blacks physician, is quoted as saying: "We think the most likely cause was a clot on the lung which can be a complication of long distance travel. Jonah was at greater risk of that happening because of his renal condition." Personally though I think we should wait to see if there is any official announcement on this. This is Paul (talk) 23:07, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: A number of corrections are needed to the article. "When his parents divorced and Jonah became estranged to HIM until 2008" is meaningless. How did being "exposed to gang violence losing an uncle and a cousin to attacks".. lead "his mother to send him to Wesley College"? He married Tanya Rutter and divorced - "in which his family never approved". His family did not have to approve of either marriage or divorce, and the grammar is bad.  I presume that what was meant was that "his family did not approve of the divorce". The second marriage was not in a "secret ceremony", though it may have been a private one.Royalcourtier (talk) 07:07, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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