Talk:Italo-Albanian Catholic Church

message: Uh, I accidently moved the talk page of Albanian Catholic Church when I meant to move the actual Albanian Catholic Church to this location.  Consequently, this page has no data and should be removed so that the other page can be moved here.  Pmadrid 07:14, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Albanian Catholic Church

message: The Italian name "Italo-Albanese" appears on the relevant diocesan pages of catholic-hierarchy.org, which copies its information from the Annuario Pontificio (Vatican yearbook).  Is there a comparable reliable source to support the Italo-Greek name?  If not, there seems to be no justification for the recent move that put the article back under "Italo-Greek Catholic Church".   --Chonak (talk) 05:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: From an ecclesiastic point of view this church doesn't exist as one jurisdictional body, but it is simply a term used to list three separate and independent entities: the Eparchy of Lungro, the Eparchy of Piana degli Albanesi, and the monastery of Grottaferrata. The first two being populated by Italo-Albanians, the monastery being simply of Byzantine (Greek) Rite. When these three entities are referred to together, they are called "Circoscrizioni Ecclesiastiche Bizantine Cattoliche in Italia" (Byzantine-Catholic Ecclesiastic Bodies in Italy) . So both names are unofficial, "Italo-Albenian" gives more an idea of the most of population it comprises, "Italo-Greek Catholic Church" gives more an idea of the Rite used, and it includes also the monastery of Grottaferrata which is not Italo-Albenian" in roots.A ntv (talk) 10:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note, Byzantine Churches in communion with Rome are designated by two prefixes prior to the word Catholic - the first is of ethnic origin and the latter denotes the rite to distinguish it from the Roman/Latin amongst others (e.g. Syro-Malabar, Maronite, etc).  The Italo-Greek Church refers first to the people, the Italians (i.e. Southern Italians, albeit Italians or persons of Hellenic extraction), and Greek because the Byzantine or Greek form of liturgy used in the celebration of the Holy Eucharist amongst other rituals.  Italo-Albanian Greek Catholic Church is more proper than the completely erroneous Italo-Albanian Catholic Church that is used commonly by those not well versed in the subject area.  The Ukrainian and Rusyn people of the Byzantine Catholic faith are referred to as Ukrainian Greek Catholics and Ruthenian Greek Catholics, respectively.  This is because they are Greek Rite Catholics but are from different ethnic groups and align themselved with counterparts on the Orthodox side.  The Italo-Greek Church existed prior to the Albanian population in Italy and the church is erroneous labeled Italo-Albanian because people of Albanian derivation are the majority of followers of this rite as most Italo-Greeks returned to the Greek Orthodox churches in communion Constantinople. Please pardon my grammar ... typing on my Blackberry LongIslander (talk) 22:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

text: During some reserch by check some various sites for the regular use name:
*catholic-hierarchy.org - Eparchy of Piana degli Albanesi (Italo-Albanese) - Italo-Albanese Catholic Church of the Byzantine Tradition 
*byzcath.org Byzantine Catholic and other Eastern Catholic Churches List of Eparchies - Italo-Greek-Albanian Byzantine Catholics, Byzantine Italo-Greek-Albanian, Italo-Greek-Albanian Catholics
*Giga-Catholic - Italo-Albanese Church 
*Eparchy of Piana degli Albanesi - "Circoscrizioni Ecclesiastiche Bizantine Cattoliche in Italia" - Byzantine-Catholic Ecclesiastic Bodies in Italy
*Dioceses in the World: Europe - ITALO-ALBANSK-BYSANTINERNE / Italo-Albanian Byzantine 
*Catholic Near East Welfare Association - The Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
For the area/ethnic "modifier", we have:
*Italo-Albanese - 4
*Italo-Greek-Albanian - 3/if we only count byzcath.org only once: 1
*Italo-Byzantine - 1
For the "rite"/church identifier, we have:
*Byzantine Catholics - 3/2
*Byzantine - 2/1
*Catholics - 2/1
Unless we go with "Italo-Greek-Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church" for a compromise, it looks like "Italo-Albanese Byzantine Catholic Church" as the article name and listing "Italian (or Italo-)Byzantine-Catholic Church" (seems a more natural translation than "Byzantine-Catholic Ecclesiastic Bodies in Italy" for a Particular Church) as the official name and listing all the rest as other names. Spshu (talk) 17:06, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved again? 

message: The History section needs some rewriting to fix grammar errors, and needs better sourcing.   Some of the terminology in the text (e.g., the use of the word "races" suggests that it is derived from some old published source(s), but the lack of ref tags in the text has left the sourcing unclear.   I recently marked the CathEnc article as one reference for the section, but that article only documents part of the information in the History section;  furthermore, it's a 1913 article, so there may be better sources available now. --Chonak (talk) 14:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History needs cleanup and sourcing 

message: There is currently an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Catholic Church)#RfC: should this page be made a naming convention that may be of interest. Chicbyaccident (talk) 09:50, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic Church naming conventions RfC