Talk:ISO/IEC 8859-15

message: My understanding is that OE and oe were in draft versions of ISO 8859-1 and were removed at the prompting of the delegate representing France.  His idea was that the ligature was purely typographic.  Then there was a new French delegate and, together with the Canadian delegate, they took the position that oe is a letter (I think that the "proof" was to do with collating sequence).  But it was too late to fix 8859-1.  Since then, the French have been unsupportive of ISO 8859-1.  I assume that -15 brings them onside again, but a bit late.
Welsh_alphabet digraphs are still not supported.  The rumour was that the British rep didn't remember he was representing Wales.  That might be untrue or unfair.  I heard a similar story about Basque characters.
This is unsourced second-hand recollection.  With supporting information, it might be worth adding here or in ISO/IEC_8859-1. -- 22:04, 11 November 2006) User:DHR
:It's true enough that ISO 8859-1 was the result of competing balance of national interests, and that the French representatives scuttled the OE/oe ligatures at a late date (whereupon these were somewhat clumsily replaced by multiplication and division signs), but that's not really true of 8859-15  -- 8859-15 (which came 20 years later) was kind of a quick hack to introduce the Euro sign and the non-typographic characters contained in Windows-1252 in order to fill a gap in the transition between 8-bit character sets and Unicode. AnonMoos 22:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Coming a little late, but I can add an independent recollection that the ANSI X3/L2 committee, on which I was an observer, included the OE ligature because they thought the French would want it. When the character set was submitted to ISO the French representative vetoed it. We thought it was because France was formally phasing the ligature out of the language, but that may be a misunderstanding of the reason. I also recollect that the British representatives pressed for multiple and divide to be included in the vacant slots, and nobody had any better ideas, resulting in the inelegant intrusions. I was at Prime Computer; we were just rolling out the PT200 terminal at the time and the original ROMs had Œ/œ. We had to redesign them hastily and luckily only a few had shipped. David Brooks (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  OE in French 

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3x         	0          	1          	2          	3          	4          	5          	6          	7          	8          	9          	:          	;          	<       	=          	>       	?
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8x         	PAD        	HOP        	BPH        	NBH        	IND        	NEL        	SSA        	ESA        	HTS        	HTJ        	VTS        	PLD        	PLU        	RI         	SS2        	SS3
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Ax         	NBSP       	¡          	¢          	£          	€          	¥          	Š          	§          	š          	©          	ª          	«          	¬          	SHY        	®          	¯
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Cx         	À          	Á          	Â          	Ã          	Ä          	Å          	Æ          	Ç          	È          	É          	Ê          	Ë          	Ì          	Í          	Î          	Ï
Dx         	Ð          	Ñ          	Ò          	Ó          	Ô          	Õ          	Ö          	×          	Ø          	Ù          	Ú          	Û          	Ü          	Ý          	Þ          	ß
Ex         	à          	á          	â          	ã          	ä          	å          	æ          	ç          	è          	é          	ê          	ë          	ì          	í          	î          	ï
Fx         	ð          	ñ          	ò          	ó          	ô          	õ          	ö          	÷          	ø          	ù          	ú          	û          	ü          	ý          	þ          	ÿ
Are the C0 and C1 control codes really part of 8859-15, as the table currently suggests? As this draft says: The shaded positions in the code table correspond to bit combinations that do not represent graphic characters. Their use is outside the scope of ISO/IEC 8859; it is specified in other International Standards, for example ISO/IEC 6429.,
 with the usual C0 and C1 code points all shaded.
This practise (to not include C0 and C1 in 8859-n) can also be found in the article ISO/IEC 8859-1 (C0 and C1 code points marked unused). 
--Abdull 11:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the second paragraph of the intro and note the destinction between ISO/IEC 8859-15 (an ISO/IEC standard) and ISO-8859-15 (a mime charset) Plugwash (talk) 09:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  C0 and C1 control codes part of ISO/IEC 8859-15? 

message: I think it's needed to say that this is the character set used for strange symbols on the address bar on web browsers (%20 = space). 84.120.173.177 (talk) 19:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They used to be ISO-8859-1, but nowadays they're UTF-8... AnonMoos (talk) 14:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adress 

message: Looking at e.g. Š, the table says it has a hexadecimal value of 0160. But surely its hexadecimal value is 00A6, since its decimal value is 166? Thue (talk) 15:04, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the Unicode code point, not the hex number. You can figure out the hex index by adding the hex at the start of the row and column. The decimal numbers in these tables should be removed for the same reason. And perhaps the unicode code point put into the tooltip so the tables would be much smaller with the characters themselves much more obvious.Spitzak (talk) 01:44, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the unicode code point is nice to have. But the table should have a legend explaining what it is. Right now it is just unexplained binary inside the table. Thue (talk) 20:27, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hexadecimal values for €, Š, š, Ž, ž, Œ, œ, and Ÿ in [[ISO/IEC_8859-15#Codepage_layout]]? 

message: While these ISO-8859-xx standards cannot exactly be described as obsolete (they will probably be still be in use decades from now in obscure corners of the information-technology world) there should be some indication in the article that they are no longer the best solution to representing characters outside the 7-bit ASCII set. The internet mostly moved to utf-8 years ago. Sayitclearly (talk) 21:56, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mostly superseded 

message: In Finnish, š is used in loanwords from multiple other languages, including words such as šamaani (shaman) and šekki (cheque). But both shamans and cheques have been obsolete for quite some time. T71024 (talk) 08:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Š in loanwords 

message: : "this encoding is by far most used, close to half the use, by German, though this is the least used encoding for German"
I have no idea what this means. It is really complicated to read and seems to contradict itself. Bmhm (talk) 06:11, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was intended to mean that almost half of the pages declared 8859-15 are in the German language, even though 8859-15 is actually not very commonly used for German... AnonMoos (talk) 13:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear sentence