Talk:Harry Potter influences and analogues

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This is an exceptionally touchy topic, in which the temptation towards original research is overwhelming, so I have established some very strict rules as to what can and cannot go into the main article. Top of the list is uncited material, by which I mean a comparison made without a third party reference that also makes said comparison. If you have a work you wish to include that is uncited, please place it on this subpage, and it may be cited and included in future. Please be sure that any such analogues were published before Harry Potter. Thank you. Serendipodous 13:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: Great job, authors of this page. Very useful, well-cited and enjoyable to read. jengod (talk) 19:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: Nadrail, you are effectively accusing Rowling of plagiarism, which is a crime. It is not Wikipedia's job, regardless of the evidence, to accuse people of crimes. Wikipedia can report others' accusations, but it cannot make those accusations itself. If you want to quote your sources claiming that Rowling took these ideas from Star Wars, feel free. But do not make those claims yourself. Serendipodous 23:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the article is not accusing her of plagiarism. The article reports many people who have accused her of plagiarism, but it makes no claims on its own. I don't really understand why you find it so difficult to do what I'm asking. Some of your sources must directly accuse Rowling of stealing Lucas's ideas. Just frigging quote them! Oh, and before you laugh; accusing someone of a crime in a published source is libel, and you do NOT want to fall afoul of British libel laws. Serendipodous 23:41, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

text: In literature, borrowing the ideas of other authors is not considered plagiarism and is not an accusation.  That is my opinion, and I will remove the third opinion request.  If there is disagreement, an editor can go to the dispute resolution noticeboard or publish a Request for Comments.  However, borrowing the ideas of other authors is not considered plagiarism and is not an accusation.  The identification of the borrowing should be made by literary critics or other sources; if it is made only by Wikipedia editors, it is original research.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:21, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

text: I also found this page on WP:3O. I checked the sources, and none of them appear to claim that J.K. Rowling "borrowed" from Star Wars. The recently added book reference does not provide a page number, but here is the likely page based on a Google Books search. Nothing about borrowing there. That makes the borrowing suggestion WP:OR. The WP:DUCK essay mentioned above is about sockpuppet detection and explicitly says "". KateWishing (talk) 17:39, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So do you think that the phrase "possibly borrowed" should be removed? Serendipodous 17:55, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. KateWishing (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you; I appreciate the effort you went to to sort this out. Serendipodous 18:27, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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message: I've added a section on top of the article with a table summarizing the similarities of HP with the unacknowledged analogues. It's handy for people looking for quick info. If they wanted to know more details about specific analogues, they would read their respective sections below, which contains long paragraphs. - Alumnum (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The addition only repeats information already in the article, and synthesises material from it. It is basically an essay. It also clutters up the article and makes it difficult to navigate. Serendipodous 12:09, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you're not going to carry on this conversation I shall interpret your silence as agreement. Serendipodous 13:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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message: For me, it violates WP:SYNTH, overbalances the article and just duplicates information already in the article. Serendipodous 17:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you think about trying WP:3PO before jumping to an RfC? Especially given that the current version does not include the overview section? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:29, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

text: For the record, it does; he just moved it down. Serendipodous 10:14, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SYNTH forbids drawing a conclusion from multiple sources, but it does not forbid creating neutral syntheses on tables. Many articles have "Overview" sections. - Alumnum (talk) 09:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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