Talk:Nuu-chah-nulth

message: I've moved this page from Nootka to Nuu-chah-nulth. violet/riga (t) 01:59, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Page moved

message: Two more (I haven't added them because I don't have the time or knowledge to evaluate them):  and no.
Lupo 07:37, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: This page really needs to be expanded as it pretty much only talks aboutthe language right now. I'd like to know more about the history of the Nootka, and their current population and it's evolution. as well as their culture.
Heya, I'm planning on expanding this whole article (about 800 words added) including greater detail into some areas like food and society. I might end up changing the formatting of the page to ensure that it flows as a full article. (MadelaineNabbe (talk) 08:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  History? Population? 

message: I took a stab at frameworks on some Nuu-chah-nulth history, partly as spinoffs of geographic or other historical or First Nations articles; just writing from the seat of my pants so anyone who knows better/more please rewrite/augment. Haven't dared write much because I haven't studied them in detail, only know what I've picked up from newspapers and various histories over the years..Maquinna and Mowachaht I think I've done already; have to flesh out Maquinna after rereading some accounts, and do some of the other historic chiefs, like Wickanninish. See also Nootka Sound. Skookum1 10:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly a well rehearsed lecture, but to follow one of your points (I will have to track down the precise citation later, as it is in my archives)an early european witness to Maquinna noted him sucking blood from a cut on his arm: it was cited in the 'historic' account of the witness as evidence of cannibalism. Simply a matter of perspective, or an inaccuracy? Nothing 'nativist' about pointing out that many of the early visitors to Yuquot stayed a short while, and brought with them a whole lot of preconceptions about what they were seeing: nothing new about pointing out that outside observers, with little or no knowledge of the local language, and relationships of purely commercial, and later, institutional interest with local groups produce very partial, often inaccurate accounts. That said, I find Jewitt's account informative, even when it offers a version of events that differ from the local history: on the flip side, i recall an illustration of a northern nuu-chah-nulth village from one of the spanish expeditions, in which the house fronts are depicted with polka dots. Clearly, the illustrator was at a distance, or couldn't render the images, so he fudged it. And Meares ("liar Meares" according to the maquinna we're discussing) provided accounts that were intentionally fantastical, to shore up his tenuous claims. A couple of these were "white men", though the spaniard was more likely beige...so what? I in fact agree with much of your commentary, though it drifts into characteristic (in light of your other posts, on this and other forums) polemic at the end. I'd suggest you've attached a lot of what are clearly personal pet peeves regarding history to my comments unfairly. I don't see it said anywhere in my comments that white accounts are to be entirely disregarded; seems much of your post, in reference to my comments, is itself bad history. From one dumb white man to another, regards. Woodschmoe, July 2006.
Well, hell, trying to write First Nations/Native American articles is like walking on eggshells; you try and do good and inevitably someone sees ill in whatever you do; and to me it strikes me that you're being patronizing with this comment about my reply to you being "well-rehearsed"; it was written off-the-cuff in about four minutes (I type 110+wpm) and generally don't "rehearse"; same as your jibe about my "pet peeves" and such = whichever talk forums, be it on Oregon or the nauseous p.c.rewrite of Canadian-Chinese history, or Central Canadian biases concerning BC, or American biases (APOV) on the Alaska boundary and others, it's not "pet peeves", it's concern for truth, especially for overturning shibboleths and dearly-held mythologies which; very much like the Nuu-chah-nulth concern for having their history accounted for correctly. But I'll tell you what; it would help if they sat down and made a point of circulating it; I made my contributions in Maquinna, Mowachaht, and here because there wasn't anything, at least anything much more than a stub; I "winged it" in order to un-redlink other pages' articles and also because the Maquinna in question was ref'd in those articles (which none of the others have reason to be, except maybe the most recent guy concerning Luna the killer whale, if there's an article on that). And when I said I'd "done" Maquinna I didn't mean I'd finished it, only that I'd created it because it was pointedly absent, as also with many other BC First Nations historical figures, vs. the plethora of such articles in the Hew Hess of Hay. Nothing in Wiki is ever "done", that's a given. I was trying to begin the process of filling in the blanks; maybe I should have just let Wikidom ignore Maquinna's existence and not bothered trying to expand the Nuu-chah-nulth or Mowahchaht articles either; if people can't be bothered to take part in the writing of their own history, but then take offense when someone else makes and earnest effort to based on available materials and exposure but it's still not good enough for the people who didn't want to write it themselves, maybe they deserve to be forgotten, how's that? And yeah, your comment about "demonstrated to be inaccurate" set me off about a lot of C*R*A*P heard/seen in soc.culture.native and L-CHINOOK about whitey not knowing what he was talking about and only indigenous accounts being trustworthy/valid; the implication was there that that's where you were coming from, or your sources were, so I reacted, yes reacted, accordingly; and cannibalism being the most polemical I brought it up, partly because of a passage in Pethick's book I came across the other day which I pondered adding to the article; I just got up so will find the passage later and post it here for your consideration; since you're evidently more of an expert on the Nuu-chah-nulth than I ever could be or would want to be. I simply wrote the original base-article because it was needed. If that's reason to patronize me, or dump on my efforts, then enjoy your smugness. You may be a dumb white guy; I'm not.Skookum1 18:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maquinna, Mowachaht, etc

message: The etymologies provided for many/ten/hiyu (hyo in Jewittian Nuu-chah-nulth transcription) and siah/far/sky are from Shaw, as repeated ad nauseam by Chinookologists since. Links provided later once I find the correct page refs. IIRC Nuu-chah-nulth/Southern Wakashan is supposed to have contributed about 30 per cent of the native-origin words in CJ; it's fourth over all after Chinookan, French and English, and is followed by Chehalis and some smatterings of Kwakiutl and plateau languages (but no one ever recorded the Hawaiian, Russian, Chinese, Gaelic, Portuguese, Algonkian etc components and regional peculiarities that are mentioned in some accounts - which apparently were many; most CJ lexicons are based on Columbia River Jargon)Skookum1 10:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinook Jargon Refs

message: Not sure who's monitoring this page; the lengthy section on the meanings of placenames should be transferred to Nuu-chah-nulth language, where it belongs. I just created Nuu-chah-nulth Tribal Council so any additions relating to governmental organization, chiefs and councillors, resource and development issues as definecd by the First Nation(s) etc should go there.Skookum1 23:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of names should be on languages page

message: This is all written rather as if the Nuu-chah-nulth are only in the past. There is at least one quite prominent present-day Nuu-chah-nulth, artist Joe David (hmm, guess I'll start that article). I suspect that there are others. - Jmabel | Talk 08:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at the german version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.16.114.239 (talk) 11:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most articles on indigenous nation in the Northwest Coast negate any mention of the present day Indigenous. I agree that it does need work on. Other notable people to include would be Art Thompson, Shawn Atleo (Current BC AFN Reigional Chief), and information about the current treaty process, although that is going to be "news" in the next few weeks with the Maa-nulth treaty group going to vote soon. OldManRivers 18:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about now? 

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message: I was kind of surprised to not see anything about this on the page. In short, in the 1980s, Health Canada provided funding to Dr. Richard Hugh Ward of UBC to conduct a genetic survey on the Nuu-chah-nulth to investigate a high rate of rheumatoid disease; the ~900 participants gave consent to medical research only. Shortly after collecting blood samples, Ward moved to Utah (and eventually Oxford), taking the samples with him and using them extensively for anthropological studies, without getting renewed consent, or ever publishing anything medically relevant. Here's an article on the whole debacle from the tribal council's newspaper. 
I'm not sure where/if this should go on the page, but it seems potentially relevant? --Deddish (talk) 06:21, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetic research issues