Talk:Romanian Land Forces

message: It would be interesting to know more about current Romanian Army equipment, like jeeps, AV, tanks, light armament etc. For example, on the Humvee page it says that Romania are users of HUMVEEs - is that true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.84.210  (talk • contribs) 
:Yep, they have 8 of them. HAHAHA!!! No but seriously, it seems that ze Amyerikans will give them a few more. I think they signed a contract to buy about 50 or 100 of them (I am not quite sure). Dapiks 04:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Humvees were given to the Romanian Military Police by the US Government, according to this article: Humvee pentru Poliţia Militară (Humvee for the Military Police), Ziua, November 13, 2006 (only in Romanian). Mentatus 20:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Check also this link out: http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/20061113 Mentatus 11:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Humvees

message: I see some huge potential for this article to become a good article or maybe a featured article. If anyone is interested to help, please don't hesitate. The history sections need a little attention and the current structure needs to be completed. Eurocopter tigre 15:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also equipment and training sections should be a little expanded and a summary is needed for the ranks and insignia section. Eurocopter tigre 20:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: IMHO all units below brigade level should be removed. They are already covered in each brigade article as you said and in the organization chart. BTW, pics size should be left unspecified according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Images. --Victor12 21:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I suggest to keep them on the main page for now and at a latter time (when the article gets even longer) move them to their own article, as we did with the French Army. noclador 21:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article 

message: *expand history section (especially WWI) - it would be good if anybody could provide some sources;
*expand equipment section - 1. describe the new acquisitions and the native made equipment; 2. make a small chart (see the one in the Russian Ground Forces article);
*expand training section - describe better the training ranges and military schools (including a short history summary);
*complete the summary in the Ranks and insignia section;
*provide more references (always welcome) 
Eurocopter tigre 17:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To do list 

message: I reviewed many times this page, I compared it with some 'Good Articles' and I realised that it might become a GA article. Eurocopter tigre 18:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eurocopter tigre, according to the guidelines set by Wikipedia:Good article candidates Choose an article to review, noting you cannot choose an article if you have made significant contributions to it. I don't think you can pass an article you are so involved with as this constitutes a case of conflict of interest. --Victor12 16:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Victor 12, the GA review process is a very, very slow one (there are unreviewed GA nominalized articles since March 2007), and frankly, very few users are contributing to this page - if I'll wait for other users to do this, the article would probably never become a GA. If you think this article is not meeting the GA criterias and I listed it abusive, please feel free to revert my edits and delist it. Best, --Eurocopter tigre 17:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Even so, it is not elegant, to say the least, to promote an article which you have so heavily edited. If you want to help with the GAC process you can review another article as is proposed in the intro to Wikipedia:Good article candidates. Anyway, Romanian Land Forces is now under GA review. Greetings, --Victor12 17:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: However, I see no point continuing editing this article if it isn't promoted. At least you could leave a comment at the GA review. --Eurocopter tigre 18:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Nominee 

message: I believe the article in its current form meets all GA requirements so I've passed it as such. Congratulations to everyone involved in this effort! However I also believe there are some outstanding issues which need to be dealt with, even though they don't affect the GA status IMHO. They are as follows:
*The "Present organization" section has too much bolded text in it, even such things as "other supporting units" are in bold letters! I know there's a need to distinguish major and minor units, but I don't think this is the way to go. Compare it to the examples that Eurocopter tigre has given above (Spanish Army for instance) and you'll see the difference.
*This one is really minor. In the following sentence "The most famous and well trained unit is the 1st Special Ops. Battalion (nicknamed "The Eagles"), which was legally created in late 2005", why is the word "famous" used? Why is this battalion famous for? Is it famous outside Romania? Has it achieved any notable military feat? If the answers are negative the word needs to be removed.
*The last issue is that the article structure probably needs to be revamped for clearness and coherence. For instance, why aren't special forces under "Present structure" with all the other units? Why the titles "current state" and "present structure" used simultaneously? An average reader could think that it would be logical to have "present strucuture" as part of "current state". Finally, do Corps and their HQ need to be used as subsection titles? They are pretty long and distort the table of contents. In my opinion they should be just listed, not be made into their own independent sections.
Anyway, those are just my opinions for whatever their worth. Congratulations again on a good article!!! --Victor12 21:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nomination passed 

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thread_title:  Prince 

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message: Is at Import material from User_talk:Eurocopter/Archive 3#Romanian Land Forces and User talk:Eurocopter/Archive 3#Romania in the Cold War Buckshot06 (talk) 22:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional data with sources

message: http://www.crisana.ro/stiri/actualitate-13/final-emotionant-al-unei-divizii-care-a-facut-istorie-19585.html
Final emoţionant al unei Divizii care a făcut istorie
Autor: col (r) TATAR Zoltan
Brigada 11 Infanterie Motorizată a fost urmaşa Diviziei 11 Infanterie, înfiinţată în zilele de14-16 august 1916, în toiul primului război mondial. Divizia 11 Infanterie a înscris pagini de eroism în istoria armatei prin bătăliile purtate pentru eliberarea Basarabiei, în Valea Jiului, la Mărăşeşti, precum şi în alte localităţi. În al doilea război mondial, a luptat până la Stalingrad, iar pe teritoriul naţional a luptat pentru independenţa României şi la Oarba de Mureş şi mai departe, la Tiszaloil, cu sacrificii, fără să cunoască înfrângerea. Revenind în ţară, la 2 august 1951, se reorganizează efectivele şi înfiinţează Divizia 11 Infanterie dislocată în Oradea în clădirea fostei Divizii 11 Mecanizate "Carei" şi Brigăzii 11infanterie Motorizate. În urma proceselor de transformare şi modernizare a armatei, schimbă mai multe denumiri: Divizia 5 Infanterie şi, ulterior, Divizia 11 Mecanizată "Carei". În contextul cerinţelor actuale ca urmare a transformărilor social-politice şi militare ale lumii contemporane, Divizia 11 Mecanizată "Carei" se reorganizează conform cerinţelor NATO, reprofilându-se în Brigada 11 Infanterie Motorizată. În prezent, conştienţi fiind de necesitatea reorganizării şi modernizării armatei, ca membri ai NATO, desfiinţarea Brigăzii 11. Motorizate constituie o măsură firească în contextul actual al reformei armatei. De aceea, consider un moment deosebit de emoţionant ceremonialul de dezvelire, din 22 aprilie 2005, a plăcii comemorative de pe faţada fostului comandament al Diviziei 11 Infanterie care, începând cu această dată, îşi încetează activitatea. Au fost de faţă foştii comandanţi ai Marii Unităţi, cadre în rezervă şi în retragere, reprezentanţi ai Asociaţiei Naţionale a Veteranilor de Război, ai "Cultului Eroilor"şi personalităţi bisericeşti care au sfinţit placa respectivă.
04.05.2005, 00:00
22 June 1941: (Niehorster at http://www.orbat.com)
11 Infantry Division (CO: BG David Popescu)Hqs: Slatina
*11 Infantry Brigade (2 Dorobanti, 3 Dorobanti, 19 Infantry)
*11 Artillery Brigade (21 Artillery Regiment         – 2 x 75mm Gun Battalions         – 1 x 100mm Howitzer Battalion; 26 Artillery Regiment   – 1 x 75mm Gun Battalion – 1 x 100mm Howitzer Battalion); 11 Engineer Battalion; All others
11
Buckshot06 (talk) 02:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 11th Infantry Division

message: This is a dubious statement... It should be removed from the article.--Mircea87 (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It should - it was an older verbatim quote from a strategy paper for 2007. Also in the structure, it seems - from the websites of divisions 2 and 4 - that the 10th Eng. and 8th Art. Brigades are not attached to any divisions but rather, much like the 6th Special Ops Brigade, are independent brigades. The 69th Art Brigade is not a brigade but a regiment while three mixed artillery brigades have been created lately (one for each division). The structure should reflect these changes. Dapiks (talk) 04:50, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The full modernisation of equipment ended at the end of 2007 

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"After World War I, Transylvania proclaimed union with the Kingdom of Romania. As a result, in April 1919, the newly established Hungarian Soviet Republic vowed to retake the region by force, and Hungarian troops attacked Romanian formations in Transylvania. The Romanian Army defeated the Hungarians and conquered Budapest in August 1919."
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Secondly, the Hungarian Soviet Republic (Tanácsköztársaság) couldn't care less about the fate of Transylvania, and never attacked anyone in Transylvania. They did not care about Hungary's integrity as they were already expecting a world revolution which eradicates borders. Their offensives were merely of military importance, aiming to secure strategic areas for a better defense of the Soviet Republic. There were some armed clashes in Transylvania between Romanian and Hungarian forces, but not in 1919, and the latter were not Communist troops but in fact remnants of the old Austro-Hungarian army as counter-revolutionary forces. These fights mostly involved the Sekler Border Guards, a famed elite unit of Transylvania, and it happened in 1918, not 1919, until the Károlyi-government disbanded these units.
Also to be noted: the Romanian Army has not really defeated the Hungarians, but the Károlyi-government, in a supposedly pacifist move, has disbanded most of the Hungarian armed forces. The remaining ones, or units that refused accepting this order were unable to stop the Romanian advancement.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.228.107.43 (talk) 07:57, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  1919-1920 

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message: As the Romanian Land Forces are in the process of a major restructuring I am trying to find detailed infos about the future structure, but so far I had no luck. I created the article "Structure of the Romanian Land Forces" and if anyone has information about the new structure please head there and add it. As soon as we have that article well referenced and sourced I will update the graphic of the structure too. Thanks, noclador (talk) 03:27, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure of the Romanian Land Forces 

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