Talk:History of the automobile

message: It would be interesting to see a chart of the percentage of households that owned a car in various decades, in various countries.  This would be helpful to get an idea of how the transportation system worked in each period. -- Beland (talk) 06:00, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: i will insert a paragraph about market penetration and surrounding issues around 1930 in "british" palestine. it's a nice example about acceptance, unions etc.  after the great depression when cars started to take over worldwide. Maximilian (talk) 14:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market penetration 

message: Hey folks, wouldn't be worth to say that the first theoretical prototypes of CARS were made by Isaac Newton and Da Vinci ??
I know about Newton that he built a car that could move forward on four wheels like a regular car, and it was controlled from the inside. Da vinci as well made a similar design.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goose friend (talk • contribs) 01:14, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't say anything like that without an reliable source saying it, at a minimum. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 01:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isaac Newton and Leonardo Da Vinci 

message: For someone not familiar with the inner workings of the car, I was a bit disappointed to not find an answer within the article to a longtime mystery of mine: in front of antique/vintage cars, what is that handle called which has to be cranked every so often? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: To start the engine? Hand crank. Or starting handle (UK English). Also at Starter motor#History. It's probably a good idea to merge Kick start and Recoil start along with the history of hand crank start into a new Manual start article, since they're all different methods of accomplishing the same thing, and it's the logical precursor to Starter motor--Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:15, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for the pointer. I should've looked at the starter motor article more thoroughly. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 00:27, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Handle thingy 

message: Many pieces of equipment were not found on early cars or were of a more primitive design; some mention of developments might be made for each of these, perhaps with a link to the History section of an appropriate sub-article:
* Windshield
* Windscreen wiper#History
* Headlights#History_of_automotive_headlamps
* Suspension_(vehicle)#History
* Tubeless_tire#History
* Automobile pedal
* Vehicle door
* Automatic transmission
* Rear-view_mirror#History
* Wing mirror
* Seat_belt#History
* Airbag#History
-- Beland (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of various elements 

message: "The need for global changes in energy sources and consumption to bring about sustainability and energy independence has led 21st century engineers to think once more about possibilities for steam use, if powered by modern energy sources controlled with computerized controls, such as advanced electric batteries, fuel cells, photovoltaics, biofuels, or others."
The above appears to be original research. I don't see why anyone would use steam as a force intermediary, given that steam must be generated from other sources of energy, sources that can now directly drive pistons or electric motors. I mean, just how exactly would a battery be used to power a steam engine...via resistance heat? This is thermodynamically ridiculous and I doubt any legitimate engineer would consider commercializing such a contraption. I suspect the above quote is from some conspiratorial nut trying to promote water as a clean energy "source" again. Fission would be the only reason why steam would make sense, but fission itself is a pipe dream due to the myriad practical and lethality issues associated with it.
: I have to agree. Not to pick on anyone for brainstorming anything (always good to think), but "thermodynamically ridiculous" pretty much kills the idea. Don't see how an amazing new battery powering a steam engine could ever compete with an amazing new battery powering an electric motor directly, regarding energy efficiency. I'm going to delete it, and if someone can prove me wrong with a reference about the topic, good for them. — ¾-10 23:23, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Delete it. As a proposition, it's absurd; it should go for the self-evident lack of understanding of the subject. (As to steam ever being practical for automotive use, I'd be inclined to disbelieve that, too.)  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 23:46, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steam in the 20th and 21st centuries 

message: Article says "1973–present Mercedes-Benz S-Class – Seat belt pretensioner, and electronic traction control system". The Buick Riviera had this in 1971. Traction_control_system#History 2001:56A:F414:D300:9897:942B:69A1:5916 (talk) 19:19, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Traction control systems

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message: "The hydrogen fuel cell, one of the technologies hailed as a replacement for gasoline as an energy source for cars, was discovered in principle by Christian Friedrich Schönbein in 1838."
Between 'technologies' and 'hailed' the word 'now' should be added (Pamour (talk) 22:21, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuel 

message: The following appears in the introduction: "After producing and selling the Model A in 1903, Ford Motor Company's Model T became the first mass produced automobile in 1908, focusing on affordability for the average consumer. By 1927 Ford produced over 15,000,000 Model T automobiles and only then developed the Model A." 
This doesn't make sense to me. Did they produce and sell some other vehicle in 1903? Or were there 2 different Model A's? Jaydub99 (talk) 18:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There were two Model As. I might dispute the T as "first mass-produced", too: the & the Duryea was produced in series, & the Olds  Runabout got there first.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 06:52, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

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message: In a grammar exercise on a book I found cited in a timeline of the evolution of the car a certain "Summers and Ogle" pair who in 1830 build a car which was able to travel up to 35 mph.  never heard of them, so I looked around. According to an online source, a patent was deposited in April 1830. I cannot find it here in the current text but I suppose that, if someone has a nice source, this information could be inserted.--Alexmar983 (talk) 10:45, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summers and Ogle 

message: Steam powered in 1892? At the 1893 Chicago World's Fair, and in the film The Magnificent Ambersons (film)?  2001:56A:F888:6B00:515D:470D:AB9A:6AE (talk) 03:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Philion Road Carriage

message: The article just looks like a gallery, also it goes like WW1 cars, WW2 cars, > electric cars.
In that order.
Electric cars are older than WW1 make it an article with one time line, not several ones. For example French wikipedia has a rather good way of making a timeline, it's clearer about american use of cars, than the american article itself.
--78.193.35.108 (talk) 21:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite the article please