Talk:Pokémon Diamond and Pearl/Archive 3

message: To save some space (the page was crowded with stuff like release dates), it's nice to start afresh, no? - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 08:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 2 

message: Why is there a game not released tag on here when it is already released.
Deathmore Wednesday 7 Fenuary 18:09 GMT
::Still not released in America and Europe...-Sukecchi 20:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game not released tag 

message: Just bcause I'm a bit obsessive like that, I'm leaving a small note here in addition to my edit summary: the ESRB (search for "Pokemon" and they'll be at the top of the list) has now officially - and unsurprisingly - given Pokémon Diamond and Pearl "E" ratings. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 06:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ESRB rating confirmed 

message: I guess it's sort of relevant, but I have no idea where to add something like preorder incentives. :|—ウルタプ 19:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll help you decide: it's not relevant. It's absoletely non-notable and borders on advertisement to boot. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 00:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? What do you mean? It’s an historical detail of the launch. A lot of game articles mention extras, pack-ins, pre-orders and all sorts of other bonus materials. --WikidSmaht (talk) 02:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And so we should automatically include stuff like this because "a lot of game articles" have done the same? Some pre-order or pack-in promotions are notable, of course, like the XD bonus disc containing Jirachi, or the highly-touted Wireless adapter that was bundled with (and used almost exclusively for) FR/LG. This, however, is entirely different: those styluses are most likely third-party, and additionally have no effect on the way you play the game - aside from possibly making you feel even more like a Pokénerd, of course. Hell, Nintendo even advises against the use of third-party styluses because they can damage the screen (an experience, I'm ashamed to say, I have had). It's just not important. I do agree, however, with changing "Reception" to include the US and other regions, and maybe making mention of the fact that preorders started more than two months in advance, with several retailers offering third-party incentives. But there's absolutely no need to go into specifics about what those promotions entail. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 06:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's wait for launch. Unless we can gather concrete numbers of preorders, it's not really worth mentioning the pre-order stuff, where with launch, Nintendo does release numbers (they can be vague and all, but heh). Also, check if the pre-order incentives are notable before adding it. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 06:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe convert the Reception section to Launch, with Japan, U.S., and Europe subsections. --WikidSmaht (talk) 02:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but maybe we shouldn't use subsections if it can be avoided. We can shove a few paragraphs for that section (in fact, that section will need EXPANSION once we've gained release details. So, I don't think we need for subsections unless it gets overly long. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 06:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Probably, since it's apparent that the styluses are, in fact, made by Nintendo, are being given away at multiple retail chains, and are fairly prominently featured in the only existing commercial for the games. They still shouldn't have more than a sentence or two, though. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 08:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EBGames/GameStop styli 

message: I've just seen that Amazon.uk have listed Diamond and Pearl, giving them a release date of March 30, 2007. Interesting. Gran2 13:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, thanks for that. I've got my ticket pre-order. Gran2 15:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That is considered original research, and can't be accepted as source. -- ReyBrujo 17:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well how could it be made usable? The information is available and verifiable, there must be a way to make it acceptably attributable. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Release date (again)

message: From what I can see, the former is the more widely used term; Googlefight shows 996,000 to 25,000.  WickedSmaht's objection was "We can’t call it sexual dimorphism, as we can’t be sure they have sexes."  While there are asexual Pokemon (e.g. Staryu), the feature in question only applies to sexual ones (e.g. Scizor), which clearly do: note the male and female symbols.  In either case, the link goes to the same article.  WildWeathel (talk) 15:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I meant was, the games and related materials only use the term “gender”, so we don’t know if there are any actual genetic differences, or indeed ANY differences beyond the assigned gender and the superficial differences that D/P introduce. --WikidSmaht (talk) 18:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had agreed to the change to "gender" initially, but I'm rethinking that, although I can still see that point of view. My view is that, outside of the field of serious sexual and gender studies, the words "sex" and "gender" are essentially synonyms. And although the game only refers to "gender" (partially, I suspect, to avoid complaints by overreacting parents), the term "sexual dimorphism" is, I'm fairly certain, the correct scientific term, and is also much more common - I had never heard the term "gender dimorphism" until the phrase was put on this page, and it isn't even listed as an alternate term on the sexual dimorphism page. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 00:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Further evidence: a search on Wikipedia for "gender dimorphism" yielded these results: the redirect page to Sexual dimorphism, the D/P page, one genus of plants (which also uses "sexual dimorphism") and Etiology of transsexualism, which uses the term not to describe physical differences between genders/sexes, but to describe the point of view that there are only two genders (as opposed to three,four, etc.), an entirely different usage. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 12:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My concern is that we, the writers of Wikipedia use the words that best express the content.  No one, as I understand it, is suggesting that "gender" (in the sense of "masculine" being distinguished from "feminine" as social institutions) is a subject of Pokemon; rather, I doubt that Nintendo would touch the topic at all in a children's game.  However, the use of the phrase "gender dimorphism" could be misread as suggesting that gender (again in this sense) is presented in-game.  Instead, I believe, we should use the more precise term "sexual dimorphism," and avoid any confusion.  As to the Nintendo using the term "gender" in-game etc, remember the difference in audience between a game aimed at grade-schoolers (and thus also at their parents) and Wikipedia's audience of educated adults. In response to WickedSmaht, sexual dimorphism has been part of Pokemon from the very start, before either "gender" or "sex" appeared in the literature or games: male and female Nidoran have always had different artwork, stats, and abilities.WildWeathel (talk) 01:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don’t see how the Nidoran case supports use of the term? --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The redirect already existed, that indicates something, at least. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: However, regarding that comment, Wikipedia is not censored. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 12:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Damn, beat me to it. :) I'm choosing to take it as just a (vaguely) sarcastic comment, because NPChilla's been around for a while, and otherwise I'll just get frustrated that someone posted something suggesting censorship. >.< ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 12:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Obviously, I think this is a mistake. I was not referring to the fact that the games only say gender, that that is parent-pleasing is a given. I was referring to the fact that because the games only say gender, we can not verify the existence of the genetic differences( i.e., X/Y or Z/W chromosomes) that define biological sex. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "sexual dimorphism" vs. "gender dimorphism" 

message: http://putstuff.putfile.com/54984/8254351
This is wierd.. What's up w/ it? 75.153.204.116 03:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not one to trust unknown files, so I didn't actually look at it, but from the filename I'm assuming it's related to the bootleg version of Telefang that was released as Pokémon Diamond. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 11:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I think is is Telefang, I found that out, and the file is safe, it is runable w/ any GBA emulator... It is a binary so I dont think it has viruses... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.153.204.116 (talk) 22:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake 

message: Is this game out in English? Cuz the article has an Enlish cover art... 75.153.204.116 03:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear god, read the article. It will released 22 April. And the cover art has been released, but not the game.—ウルタプ 03:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seen it was unreleased [I only could find Jap Roms...], but was confused, how could u get the alnum art if it's not out? Is it on Nintendo's website? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.153.204.116 (talk) 22:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. If you take a look, you will see that it is indeed on Nintendo’s main and Pokemon websites. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:BITE --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:CIVIL --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm willing to believe that some stores already recieved shipments of the game.  Also based on reliable sources, those are accurate pictures.--Tempest115 03:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: Some of the names released by Serebii and Pokeexperto on the 14th of March are used in this article, while most are not. Why is this? As an "encyclopedia", this should be kept as consistent as possible. So either use all or none. Totema1 22:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're currently attempting to fix this problem. We're been reverting this article and others all day. See, the names from the Toy Fair are alright, but Serebii and PokeExperto fail Wikipedia:Attribution, since they are fan sites. We can't use their names. -Sukecchi 22:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Wikipedia should become slightly more lenient in regards to its definition of a reliable source. I know it's there for a good reason but some things that are common knowledge are being rejected, and that's just silly. - DavetheAvatar 02:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some names are used, others not... 

message: The article states that all GBA pokemon can be traded to D&P. How is this done if two DS's don't allow for the trade of two GBA pokemon? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 16:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, apparently I should have read more about Pal Park. Anyway, I do question Pal Park then. If I have Leaf Green with a Charizard, and I put it in my DS, does Pal Park let me send a Charmander into the park or am I only allowed to send Charizard? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 18:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You get Charizard. Pal Park contains whatever six Pokémon are in the cartridge's party at the moment. However, you have to catch the entire party in your visit and they're permanently transferred out of the cart. (I assume the party on the cart automatically becomes the next six in the box.) So you'd get Charizard. Just breed to get the pre-evolutions.—ウルタプ 22:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, Actually, I believe you choose 6 from the PC to upload, not from your party. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would make more sense to transfer from PC; that way, the player will still have at least 1 Pokemon in their party, and thus will not upset the balance of the GBA game. SuperDT 05:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. o.o Well, in any event you take six monsters out of the cartridge exactly as they are—level, IVs, items, etc…(dunno about happiness).—ウルタプ 05:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  Is is possible to do this with a Supercard? 75.153.204.116 17:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Buy the games. 128.226.230.60 19:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GBA trading 

message: Uhh, does the Pokemon you upload still carry the item it was carrying in the GBA version? If so, that should be in the article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.9.121.137 (talk) 17:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pal Park 

message: Right now, that section reads like a timeline - I'm not sure readers want to know when information on a Pokémon was released - that detail shouldn't even be in their respective articles! It needs some writing on present time, really. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 12:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone should add a WIFI Section for this.... I don't know how, as I can't find the Help page for it ^^; (LatiRider 05:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewriting some sections 

message: Nintendo of Canada claims that the release date for both games is April 25, 2007. Should we split up the combined North American release date, or is Nintendo of Canada just confused? Ultraflame 18:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's gay, 3 extra days! 75.153.204.116 17:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the dates for the Canadians have changed, It says on THIS PAGE that the game will be released on May 22, this is so confusing. 74.111.14.37 20:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Release Date 

message: Is it worth mentioning in the article that as a pre-order bonus, they receive a free collectible stylus?  I believe this is the first time in a while that Nintendo has done such a thing, but I could be wrong. SuperDT 06:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't think of a suitable location to place the information. When there's any data about it, like its sales, I think it'd be worth placement in the reception section. Otherwise, I think the advertisements tell them enough about the promotion. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 06:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can confirm that pre-orders in the UK were rewarded with a Palkia/Dialga topped Stylus, depending on the version you pre-ordered.  They came with a little bit of card with Nintendo © information and the Seal o' Approval to show official merchandise.  There's some information here. Antisora 15:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-Orders

message: Until a few minutes ago, when I replaced several references citing Serebii with ones citing Pokémon.com, there were no references citing said official website. Considering that this is a Good Article, I find that distinctly worrisome. There's a good amount of information on the official sites now, and there are still some more references in this article that could be changed to cite Pokémon.com, pokemon-games.com, or another official source. We also need to keep an eye on all those sites for the next few weeks, and replace Serebii and other unofficial citations with the official ones as soon as they release information. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 11:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They've been providing speculative information or sneak peeks from the start, and it's been only since February that they started revealing English version stuff. It's still rather scarce information, and looking for reliable, English references does become more relevant as the release nears. Now, I don't think it's too important, but go ahead, be bold and change them as found appropriate while watching those pages. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 13:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Admittedly, flash sites such as Pokémon.com can make horrible citations that not everyone can actually grab-and-cite relevantly. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 13:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm a little concerned about the references 

message: Just wondering if there should be something up about the connection between Pokemon Diamond and the fact that April's birthstone is a diamond.70.104.16.148 02:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, we don't want trivia here since it's…well…trivial. I mean sure, it's coming out in June for europe (pearl's month), but…still.—ウルタプ 02:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Two coincidences make a correlation... H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More like two coincidences make a pair of coincidences and it's just that, a coincidence. No need to include it in the article. Yoshiguy 21:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that although it may not be a coincidence, it is probably not important enough for the article anyway. If you had never heard of this game before, or had heard about it and wanted to know more, would "It is realeased in April, the month that has the birth stone diamond"? Is it really important? Anyway, I think we should just leave it. --The F50 Man 16:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthstone 

message: Is there any information available regarding an Australian release date? Could it be the same as the European date?--La matematica fa il mondo pazzo! 00:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Guys, please don't trust the release dates at game stores.  They are inaccurate most of the time, and the dates are just placeholders so they can assign a SKU number.  Also, please don't put in the release date until IGN, Gamespot, etc. confirm it for AU.  Thanks. SuperDT 14:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Uhm.... Why? Seriously, that just isn't relevant. Captain Carrot 07:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Release Date? 

message: http://www.freewebs.com/legendsc/
1) I have easy access to converse with each of the mentioned people and the owners of all the mentioned leagues except Archaic of Bulbagarden and Jar of Topolegion, the latter's reason explained in the article. A lot of the big-time people of these leagues are good friends of mine. I even knew a lot of them before the Wi-Fi leagues.
2) Most of these league owners know I made that. They praised the single articles of which I actually agree with the deletion of; they were not notable enough to have their own article.
3) If you would like to contact them yourself, I'll see what I can do, or I can ask for you and get the returned text. 
4) I am probably the most knowledgeable on the subject of these leagues, I have amazing post counts on the more well-known ones, and owned one myself once. I am a very well known person in most of these communities, even the ones I'm not registered in yet. I even, at the moment, moderate on Pokémon Highway's forums. XD375 01:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:NOR, WP:A, WP:RS, WP:SPS, and WP:NOT, especially WP:NOT#SOAP. It doesn't matter how well known you are, this infomation is not encyclopedic or notable at all. dposse 01:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I realize that the well-known thing was irrelevant, but just something to back up my knowledge. It's just that I got excited when another member said it could stay, but if it can't, then I'll just have to live with it and go on with my life, I'm sorry about the trouble I've caused. XD375 01:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wi-Fi Info Sources 

message: I would like to Bring it up to the Powers that be that Information about the Popular Preorder Giveaway of the Dialga and Palkia Styluses should be added to the Article ( Dates it ran, Information, & Picture etc)
JDBlimegreen 01:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have already have two discussions on this, and unless we have sources for number of preorders, or something to that effect, then there really is no need to add it. SuperDT 05:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Collectible PreOrder Diamond and Pearl Styluses 

message: Do we have a list yet of what pokemon are excluded from each game beyond the two legendaries on the boxes? Should we include this information somewhere and what would be the source? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 18:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, a list of version-exclusives would be very crufty and game-guidey...a mention that not all Pokémon can be acquired without trading should be sufficient.—ウルタプ 18:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a list on serebii if you want to check, but since it can't be confirmed it can't be used here.--Tempest115 19:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I just said doesn't need Serebii's reliability or not. All I said was we should mention the fact that you need to trade to get everything. Not actual lists of what you'd have to trade for.—ウルタプ 19:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My last post was more directed to H2P.--Tempest115 19:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it would be fine to put in a list. Even though it is not needed for an encyclopedia, if somebody wants to write it, I would not object. More information is better than less, as long as it is organized properly.--The F50 Man 16:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text: But it's not fine for such a list, as that would be game cruft. .-. No matter how well it's written it's still cruft. -Sukecchi 18:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exclusions 

message: The official release date for Canada has been moved to Monday April 23rd. This has been confirmed by Toys "R" Us on their Pokemon Peral and Diamond Posters. And with a preorder instead of a stylus you get a DS case. (Wasn't logged in.) 74.13.43.88 01:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it ships on the 22nd, but won't arrive in store until the 23rd, and Toys "R" Us said that date to stop lots of people turning up and then going home disappointed. Ygoloxelfer 07:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I live in Saskatchewan myself. When I went to preorder my copy, my local EBGames stated that the game would arrive on April 22, and I would be able to pick it up at that date. They also said that I would receive a stylus as a preorder bonus. 71.17.170.61 22:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada release date 

message: The article does not explain the main difference between Diamond version and Pearl version.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.28.52 (talk • contribs) 
:Sign your posts.  And you mean having Dialga or Palkia?  It's in Setting and plot. As the plot continues, the protagonist encounters Team Galactic, and their motives are made clear. Team Galactic captures Yuxie, Agnome and Emrit, of Sinnoh’s three lakes, and imprisons them, making it the player’s responsibility to free them. Upon releasing the trio, he/she is able to travel to the sacred shrine atop Tengan Mountain and enter the cave, where the leader of Team Galactic awakens either Dialga, in Diamond, or Palkia in Pearl. Dialga or Palkia’s powers begin to overwhelm Sinnoh, causing the newly free Yuxie, Agnome, and Emrit to attempt to stop it. It is then that the player is able to engage in a battle with the version-appropriate legendary Pokémon.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ 13:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the difference? 

message: Has the June-July 2007 date really been confirmed? Everywhere I look it says 'TBC', and Nintendo haven't made an announcement about it.
NFreak007 10:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Release Date 

message: in singapore, dp release on 21st april around 9am, which is about 9pm 20th april in the US. thats two days eariler!!! is there any countries that release earlier (US version)? Ragnaroknike 01:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  release date 

message: Click here. Official Pokemon site. Cranidos is given its official name in the "Meet the Pokemon" section (it appears to be the only ones people haven't already moved where they belong...) But I can't move it myself. --HeroicJay 01:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and Mothim's on the main page. --HeroicJay 01:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, yes, but Budew was already in the right place... --HeroicJay 07:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also in the "Learn more about Sinnoh!" section it confirm lots more, including Chingling, Drifloon, Wormadam and Burmy. - NP Chilla 11:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names now a little more official 

message: Canada Wal-marts are so dumb in the game cabinent they had a piece of cardboard saying do not sell until April 22nd BEHIND the pokemon pearl and diamond games and why isnt the new professer named after a tree like Oak, Elm, and Birch? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.246.83.240 (talk) 03:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So? At Superstore, they had a huge cardboard display with empty cases saying "DEMO" at the back. And it didn't even say on there that they were going to be released April 22. Actually, I have no idea why you are complaining about that. And "rowan" IS a tree. Just do some research, please. Thank you. Ultraflame 03:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walmart 

message: I think a section on this would be very useful to readers, especially a list of which Pokemon are exclusive to which game. Sykil 04:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Things like available Pokémon are the only real differences and it's terribly game-guidey to include such cruft. Just say there's <script type="text/javascript" src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Omegatron/monobook.js/addlink.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>Pokémon only available in one game over the other with maybe one set of examples (i.e. Diamond's Stunky vs. Pearl's Glameow) if anything.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You know editors will rarely ever settle for one example; I've seen it happen on other pages where just one example is listed, and it becomes two, then four, then seven, until all the "examples" are listed.  I say just mention that similar to the other generations, the key difference in the versions is what Pokemon are available.SuperDT 04:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences in Versions 

message: IGN have added June 1 2007 for the Europe release date. Can someone please add this to the article. General AUS 08:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding some more information... 

message: Since the North American versions of the game are out, and this is the English version of wikipedia, shouldn't we try to replace those screenshots that are in Japanese with American ones? KdogDS 01:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's completely applicable. The only screenshots actually displaying Japanese are the Scizor and the Pokédex image, the latter of which clearly provides a good view in the international capabilities of the game. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 01:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I guess the Pokedex one does show the international capabilities. But really, since this is the American wikipedia, and the American games are out, maybe we should try to find an equivilent picture for the Scizor one in English. KdogDS 22:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to be picky it's actually the English Version of Wikipedia. It's not only American. Darryl L James 10:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese/American Screenshots 

message: It doesn't strike me as the kind of thing that normally goes into Wikipedia, but I didn't want to delete it without checking.
NFreak007 15:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the "A Trainer named Tip" section suitable? 

message: "Within each species, Pokémon now feature varying levels of sexual dimorphism, including aspects such as differently sized or absent distinctive physical features. " This should be changed, as not all species with genders have this feature, as noted here: http://serebii.net/diamondpearl/gender.shtml 71.226.17.185 02:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender Dimorphism 

message: I think there should be some extra time for the page protection because there is still some vandalism going to happen from looking at the history of the page. Do you agree? --69.239.175.29 18:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  Per Semi-protection#Semi-protection, semi-protection should not be used as a preemptive measure against vandalism, before any has occurred.  Of course, that is only my opinion, and you're welcome to request an extension.  SuperDT 00:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra protection time 

message: Are there any game specific pokemon (besides the mascots)? Don't have the game yet, so just wondering which game has better pokemon. J-stan 21:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all subjective - if you want to know all of the Pokémon exclusive to each version, GameFAQs has a guide for it. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Game specific

message: I am suggesting that the article Team Galactic to be merged here, as this article's plot section alraedy covers the role of Team Galactic quite well.  There is nothing to say (which would be supported by third party references) that can't already be covered here. hbdragon88 00:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - There are stand alone articles for Team Rocket and both of Hoenn's crime syndicates. The articles talk about their appearances in other mediums too, which would not be mentioned in the Diamond and Pearl article. Surely Team Galactic has been menioned in other mediums (anime/TCG)? Either way Galactic role in the video games could be further expanded in Galactic article. --Toxicroak 00:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the two of them are merged into one...I'm also eyeing on merging those two as well.  After rewriting it, it's pretty much a cloned copy of the same plot summary I wrote for Emerald.  We could discuss the appearance of the team in Ruby/Sapphire if needed (I don't think it's necessary).  As for the anime, they appear to be relatively minor roles (compared to Team Rocket, who apparently has been in every series, giving it Ash Ketchum-like status), which are better described in a "List of episodes" article than in the Hoenn crime syndicates article. hbdragon88 01:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose or delete other article. I don't see how a merge would help the problem. Plus, giving that other article time (and using a Strategy Guide as a reference) can help. Not everything is on the web. Plus, it'd certainly throw the article off standards if it was just simply merged. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 06:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if we were to really follow the standareds, a good ton of articles would be gone.  WP:NOT#IINFO says articles cannot solely consist of plot summary, specifically naming sourced analysis and that work's achievements as things that need to be included.  But that would mean all Pokémon species areticles (one big exception is probably Pikachu, and maybe some others) would be deleted under that criteria.  Anyway, I've considered, and may probably move Hoenn crime syndicates to Pokémon crime syndicates and merge Galactic into there.  I'll open up another merge discussion when I stop being lazy and get on with it. hbdragon88 01:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I was referring to standards, I meant this article, which I'm trying to get off GA status and onto A or FA status. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 03:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose I Agree with Sotomura and Toxicroak. The answer to this predicament is not to merge the Team Galactic page with the Diamond/Pearl Page, as that would take up unnecessary Page Space, but to expand on the Team Galactic Page. Yes, I understand Information on Team Galactic is few and far between, but as the Pokemon Anime Progresses there will be a Bountiful of information coming. Also if there are any specific information that is missing such as: team members, base locations, pictures or anything of that sort would add to the complexity of the Team Galactic page. JDBlimegreen 02:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we will not include information on team members and base locations, because Wikipedia is not a game guide.  The one picture of the Galactic grunts is already quite good.  Right now the two-paragraph stub is about as big as it can get...and if the Aqua/Magma article is any indication, they aren't going to be playing massive roles in the anime. hbdragon88 19:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those where just Examples my Friend, and I never implied a game guide or any information that is totally irrelevant. Do what you must to Improve the Galactic Page, but the answer as I have said before is not too merge it with this page. If you need help on what sorts of information you should think about adding, take a gander at the Team Rocket Page, which lists locations and meeting points in the Red, Blue, and Yellow games( see this is not completely Irrelevant). It is better to have some Information then none at all. Take my Examples with a Grain of salt and think up some of your own to expand the page. JDBlimegreen 02:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Galactic 

message: The article does lack a development section. How would we go about typing one up if there's virtually no resources to look through?
Also, the Pokémon section should be rewritten. It looks like a collection of history that noone will really care about in the long run, and it lacks citations. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 10:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the best I could find, , which gives a little bit of info on the developement history.  It's not enough, I know, but I'll look for more sources when I get home.  SuperDT 14:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addressing some concerns 

message: There's a cloning glitch in the english version of Diamond and Pearl that has been discovered. 
Here's a video of the glitch being done, I have also performed this glitch myself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqjuX5ZKX08 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheFenikkusu (talk • contribs) 03:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ... so? It's just a mere Wi-Fi exploit that not even IGN needs to give a rat's crud about. If you're talking about including it in the article, you'd be hard pressed to find a reliable source discussing it. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 07:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The only thing I'd have to say is it would possibly violate WP:OR and WP:NOT, specifically Wikipedia is not a game guide (which that cloning glitch would end up being) and the fact that since Nintendo has not released a press statement or announced the existence of this glitch, that means a Wikipedia user would have had to figure this glitch out, and that constitutes Original Research.  SuperDT 00:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cloning Glitch in the U.S. release 

message: I finally found the European release date:
June 28, 2007
I found it on IGN, and here is the link:
http://ds.ign.com/objects/707/707323.html
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by IonCannon (talk • contribs) 13:45, 17 May 2007.
*Where did you get the release date from on that page? I cannot see it anywhere. Ixistant 12:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe Release Date Confirmation 

message: I'm not sure if anybody has noticed this, but some of the new pokemon have more developed cries than the old generations (such as abomasnow's cry sounding like a guitar playing). can somebody include this into the gameplay section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.187.58 (talk • contribs) 
::This is your opinion. Opinion is not fact...so it doesn't belong here. -Sukecchi 17:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true, oppinion is not wanted in Wikipedia articles, though I do personally agree that the cries sound more developed. But again, It's just oppinion. --Kevin 20 5 23 26 18:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not opinion, it's fact XD. The first generation games were limitted by a small sound processor, only 8 bits I believe, if that. Many Pokemon of that era have cries that are the same, or at least extremely similar, due to these limitations. Generation 2 was mostly the same, but as of 3 and moreso in 4, they are more advanced. They use a lot more 'instruments' and can be far more original. 69.182.53.64 08:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Without a source it still doesn't matter. Tennis Dynamite 17:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th generation pokemon cries 

message: The talk page is getting too long , I'm getting rid of some stuff.
Spareus151 18:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted the edit. Feel free to archive older comments, but don't just remove them.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doing a clean up on the talk page 

message: I was wondering why the page is locked? Is it because people like to vandalise every Pokémon article? --Kevin 20 5 23 26 16:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locked Page 

message: Would it not be useful to have a list of differences between the two games? Such as the Pokemon found in each in a table and other differences (if there are any) in a bulleted list underneath maybe? Come on, you Americans have the game, sort it out! U-Mos 21:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: that information is ususually frowned upon. You might be looking for [www.gamefaqs.com] The Placebo Effect 21:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't seem to find anything on there being differences - you guys should meet half-way and mention that there are differences between them. How about:
"Diamond and Pearl have a handful of differences between them. The most noticeable difference is the exclusive Pokémon, with each version's exclusive Pokémon being similar to the other's."
Not great, but I couldn't think of a way to make it work well with the note on the similarities between their different exclusives (like Dialga/Palkia, Stunky/Glameow, etc.). - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I've just made :Image:Pokemon Diamond Exclusives.png out of the Pokemon pictures. Would it be useful to illustrate the differences without a need for a massive list? I'm working on a Pearl one too. U-Mos 12:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Ack! Those are derivative works and fall under the copyright of the creators of Pokémon. You can not release them into public domain! --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav|Trainer Card) 03:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think noting differences is necessary, as this is not a game guide. People can go to Serebii or Gamefaqs to see what's different in each version. -Sukecchi 19:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences between the games 

message: I wonder if we should add on somewhere, just as a little tidbit of trivia info, that these two are the first main games of the franchies that weren't colored.  Blue, Red, Yellow, Gold, Silver, Crystal, Ruby, Sapphire, Emereald, FireRed, and LeafGreen were all respectfully colored, but Diamond and Pearl aren't.
Probably not. You aren't supposed to put trivia sections in articles.
NFreak007 14:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Colors

message: Someone might want to check the image:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/67/Dp_060615_29.gif/180px-Dp_060615_29.gif
included in the article, seems some kid found it funny to make an animated gif with a grotch-growing pokemon.
::If you would pay attention...you would see that the animation displays the differences between a male and female Scizor. A new feature in Diamond and Pearl. -Sukecchi 17:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a crotch, it's an abdomen. You might want to try learning biology first.--Zxcvbnm 22:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevertheless it still looks REALLY odd. -WarthogDemon 05:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think two side-by-side still images would be more professional anyway.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or two still images stacked on top of each other and with a caption like, "Male Pokemon (top) and a female pokemon (bottom). Note the larger abdomen on the female." -WarthogDemon 22:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or two side by side with the same message. I'm not sure which way would look nicer. -WarthogDemon 22:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think with the way the text is right now, vertical would be better.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 02:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I Believe that a zoomed in look at both male and female Scizor, side by side would be better. - Masterhand10(Talk)(Contributions) 04:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animated GIF looks funny 

message: While being on Youtube I found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKaxb0uac0
It kinda resembles more the first gen MissingNo. that the "?" Ball -MegaCatZero 05:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sign your posts with four tildes (~); you don't get to use a username you haven't actually registered for.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 02:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Woah woah, wait for that one, I am actually registered as MegaCatZero, but I forgot to loggin, ok? o_O MegaCatZero 05:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: ATTENTION SUCKA FOOLS! MISSINGNO. WAS ONLY IN THE FIRST GEN. ALL LATER NULL POKEMON DID NOT HAVE THE NAME MISSINGNO. THEREFORE, HE SHOULD NOT BE CALLED MISSINGNO. THAT IS ALL. I'm pretty sure Abwayax could state this in a better way. --Xparasite9 20:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MissingNo. in D/P? 

message: Hiya
In the article it states there is a choice of three Pokemon, and then lists 4. When we played the Diamond version, we only had a choice of three. Is one of them in the article by mistake, or is it different in the Pearl version? Thanks.
81.151.172.209 17:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pachirisu was in there by mistake. --Toxicroak 18:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Pokemon to choose from 

message: There should be a trivia section.  They are fun to read.  -ponyta
:Unfortunately, that goes against encyclopedia rules.--ZXCVBNM 02:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:TRIVIA to be exact. Tennis Dynamite 17:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: If you want too see trivia go too http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Main_Page it is just like wikipedia but only for pokemon--Mhart54com 14:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia? 

message: So, are we just going to completely ignore the tweaking glitch or what?
:there is no need to have it--Mhart54com 11:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tweaking 

message: we should add something about Pal Park in the artical.Ultimaterasengan 17:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: mentioned in the connectivity section. -Sukecchi 11:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Something about Pal Park

message: It should be sayd somewhere that this game is alot harder then most other pokemon games. Like eggs start at level 1 not 5 and that you have to see all the pokemon to get the national pokedex. -.- 70.110.102.225 14:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a raised difficulty level, but it's..not really relevant. Your problems are indeed quite simple. For the babies, EXP Share or switch them out at the start. To see all the Pokémon you just need to battle trainers.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 18:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Something needing to be mentioned

message: Decided to start playing Pokemon Diamond... went to that mining city, this kid greeted with (the typical follow me person) and said "... if you don't want to be a noob ..." - I saw on Bulbapedia that the translator intentionally added internet slang into the game... I suppose that information would fit in the scope of "The game's text."? --218.214.47.219 06:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English translation has word "noob" in it 

message: So, why was the page moved without a hint of discussion to the idea? Unless I can be presented as to where there may be a discussion. - Sotomura (Tetsuya-san) (yell : see) 11:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the move makes no sense. Why are both the video game and TV series articles disambiguated? The more recognizable one should be named only Pokémon Diamond and Pearl and the other one disambiguated. --Mika1h 19:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made Pokémon Diamond and Pearl a disambiguation page. It should be easy enough for people to understand.--ZXCVBNM 22:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I don't get why "Pokemon Pearl" redirects to the disambiguation page, but "Pokemon Diamond" redirects to this page. It should be the opposite, because the third link is about a game that got bootlegged into a game called Pokémon Diamond (which has absolutely nothing to do with the one for the DS).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TanookiMario257 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move: Discussed?