Talk:King of Malaysia

message: I am doubtful about the translation of Yang di-Pertuan Agong as "he who is lord and king". Agong means 'supreme', so accepting Yang di-Pertuan as "he who is lord" or "ruler", Yang di-Pertuan Agong means "Supreme Ruler", Yang di-Pertuan Besar means "Great Ruler", Yang di-Pertuan Negara means "National Ruler". Andrew Yong 04:01, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: I found my way to this page from Elective monarchy and yet this page claims it is a Constitutional monarchy and I don't know enough to correct. Oniony 14:13, 22 June 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is both.  A constitutional monarchy in the European sense: few real powers, and a requirement to act on the advice of the government.  An elective monarchy (with fixed terms) since an election takes place (though with only a small number of voters) and some candidates have been blocked in the past. --Henrygb 22:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Type of Monarchy

message: Malaysia have a new King now, The 13th Yang di-Pertuan Agong, the Sultan of the state of Terengganu
--Bukhrin 12:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but I read in the newspapers that his 5-year reign will begin on 13 December. So he hasn't officially hold the office yet. Joshua Chiew 16:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The 13th Yang di-Pertuan Agong

message: The article currently says:
: In addition, the constitution makes him the Head of Islam in the four states ruled by appointed Governors. [...] According to the constitution, the Yang di-Pertuan Agong's is also the head of Islam in Malaysia.
So does the constitution make him head of Islam in Malaysia, or only head of Islam in the four states ruled by appointed Governors? --Delirium 21:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the head of Islam for individual states is the Ruler of the state because Islamic affairs are regulated by individual states, not by the federal government. The Yang di-Pertuan Agong is the head of Islam in states where there are no hereditary ruler (i.e. Penang, Melaka, Sabah and Sarawak) and the three federal territories as well as his own state. Joshua Chiew 00:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  head of Islam 

message: I noticed that since the the Sultan of Terengganu had been elected to succeed the current Yang di-Pertuan Agong, the article had been changed for a number of times by both anon users and registered users to show that the current Agong is the Sultan of Terengganu. IMHO, he is not the Agong until he officially takes office (13 December), and the current Agong is still Tuanku Syed Sirajuddin. Any comments? Joshua Chiew 09:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to reflect the election of the 13th Agong 

message: I have noticed that the section on the role and functions of the Agong is very limited. I am Planing to greatly expand the information there. It will take me a good deal of time to get started.--MED12345678 22:21, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The full Article 40 is unnecessary, as it disrupts the flow of the article. I added a link to the Wikisource article on the Constitution of Malaysia instead in the external links section. Johnleemk | Talk 11:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Role of the Agong 

message: The article does not mention anything about the sovereign immunity of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. Before 1993, the King has sovereign immunity, i.e. he cannot be sued in court. But in that year, the parliament passed some amendments that remove this immunity. The Yang di-Pertuan Agong (as well as other Malay Rulers) can be sued in a special King's court with the consent of the attorney general. I read about this in my STPM textbook. Does anyone bother to find some sources and add it to the article? --Joshua Say "hi" to me!What have I done? 10:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are right. It was his personal immunity that was removed in 1993. While he himself cannot be sued when performs any act as the Yang-Di-Pertuan Agong, the offended party may sue the federal government. --Joshua Say "hi" to me!What have I done? 00:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So he can't shoot his golf caddy any more, then ?Eregli bob (talk) 07:38, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immunity 

message: Could someone please verify the following and see if it could be appropriately rephrased/summarised to be inserted into the article?
"yang" is a Malay pronoun/adjective similar to the English words for "who"/"which". "Yang" is also an ancient Malay word that means "deity".
"Tuan" is the etymological mutation of the word "tuhan" which means "lord" or "god". "di" is a prefix which means "in", "at" or "being". Therefore, "di-Pertuan" would transliterate into "being the Lord" which means "Lordship". "Agong" means "Supreme".
"Seri" is a Sanskrit word for "divinely beautiful". "Paduka" is from an ancient Indo-European/Sanskrit word for "feet". "Baginda" means "Majesty".
Therefore, the royal title "Yang di-Pertuan Agong, Seri Paduka Baginda" would mean "He who is the Supreme Lord, at His Divine Feet (we submit to) his Majesty". If taking the ancient meaning of "Yang" into account, the title would mean "The Supreme Lord of gods, His Majesty, at Whose Divine Feet (we submit)".
It is to be noted that this title evokes a measure of disagreement among Islamic radicals (as well as Christian evangelicals) as Malaysia and Brunei are the only Muslim countries in the world with Muslim heads of states with the official role of "Protector of Islam" whose titles condone the worship of the Monarch and place the Monarch in titular equivalence to the Divine Creator. It is a vestige from ancient Hindu kingdoms in the region, a tradition which Malaysians are scant to abandon.
Miamidot (talk) 18:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymological Analysis on the Royal Title 

message: If no one objects, I will clarify the reference to Andorra.
(1) The notion of "two monarchs" is logically impossible.  I would replace the phrase with "co-monarchs" here.  The term used in Andorra is "co-prince".
(2) Since the French co-monarch is actually chosen by the citizens of another country, it seems debatable whether this is an
example of an elected monarch, since Andorrans have little voice in the matter.
Monomoit (talk) 14:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other elected monarchs 

message: The article was changed to use "YPD" instead of "Yang di-Pertuan Agong" whenever the king is mentioned. Although I agree that the title is a bit wordy, as I had noted in my edit summary, nobody uses "YPD" to refer to the king. If any acronym is used, it should be "YDPA", but again, it is not official and not in common usage. Official usage has always been the full title or "Yang di-Pertuan Agong", and he is commonly referred to as the "Agong" by the people.--Joshua Say "hi" to me!What I've done? 02:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of "YDP" as an acronym 

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message: Following a discussion of the death of a former office-holder at WP:ITN/C, it's been queried whether an English title might not be better for this article. I'm neutral on this topic, leaning towards preferring an English title if one is agreed on. The problem here is that WP:EN and WP:COMMONNAME may well indicate different answers here. But it does look as though we're using an honorific to describe the office-holder here; discussions at Talk:Elizabeth II generally come down against calling her 'Her Majesty' in the prose.
So is there an agreed English form of the title for the subject of this article? AlexTiefling (talk) 09:34, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: AlexTiefling, I think the answer to your question is no, there isn't an agreed English form. English forms used include "King", "Supreme Ruler", "Paramount Ruler", "Supreme Head of State", "Supreme Head of the Federation", and "Supreme Lord". Also I don't think "Yang di-Pertuan Agong" is an honorific in that sense. As the article says, the full Malay style is "Seri Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong". "Seri Paduka Baginda" seems to be equivalent to "His Majesty", while "Yang di-Pertuan Agong" is equivalent to "the King/Supreme Lord/etc". Neljack (talk) 01:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: President of Malaysia. Duh. Glide08 (talk) 12:13, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Section 2 (History) and 4 (Election) refer to no sources.
Plus,  the article goes "The position de facto rotates among the nine Rulers. The selection of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong initially followed an order based on the seniority (calculated by length of reign) of each Ruler in 1957 at the Federation of Malaya's independence from the United Kingdom."
However, seniority in 1957 (in section 2) does not match with the order od seniority of states (section 4)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.104.241.218 (talk) 19:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources and clarification history and election 

message: I am confused by this list. Seems the same guy who is both Yang di-Pertuan Agong and Timbalan Yang di-Pertuan Agong ??? can someone check ? Hektor (talk) 09:30, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Timbalan Yang di-Pertuan Agong

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved - Numerically I count 11 support !votes versus 5 oppose !votes. However, a simple count of !votes is not sufficient, the arguments from each side must be weighed as well. Those opposed to the move assert that YDPA is the common-name per WP:COMMONNAME, though those supporting the move dispute the relevance and/or correctness of the NGrams analysis used to back this up. In contrast those favouring moving rely on recognisability (which is part of WP:CRITERIA) and/or "King of Malaysia" being an English-language title. Whilst the common-name point appears to be disputable, the recognizability point appears incontestable, so the weight of arguments combined with the numerical weight of support for moving gives a rough consensus for moving. Considering particularly the rush of support !votes in the last days of this RM there appears little chance that running it for longer would change this outcome, but please come and find me at my talk-page if you disagree.(non-admin closure)  FOARP (talk) 15:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yang di-Pertuan Agong →  – "King of Malaysia" appears to be co-official name (e.g. as used by the Parliament) and per WP:ENGLISH, WP:COMMONNAME and recognizability this would be the preferred option in English language at least (particularly everyday usage where "Yang di-Pertuan Agong" would be unfamiliar to most people). Brandmeistertalk   10:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Malaysia has been notified of this discussion. Векочел (talk) 21:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Royalty and Nobility has been notified of this discussion. Векочел (talk) 21:29, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

text: * Support I've came across King of Malaysia before but never Yang Di Pertuan Agong. King of Malaysia makes much more sense to anyone unfamiliar with the Malayan language or decent familiarity with Malayan politics/culture. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

text: * Support most sources on this page using King of Malaysia. Shadow4dark (talk) 08:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: * This appears to be simply untrue. Of the online sources on this page, all use "Yang di-Pertuan Agong", and one uses "King of Malaysia" (the recent twitter post). CMD (talk) 16:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Support as more recognizable. Killuminator (talk) 15:25, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 4 February 2024