Talk:Phil Driscoll

message: I think this article needs to be rewritten. Buyable 20:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree! This article is basically a big attack on Driscoll because of this little tax issue, because he's a Christian artist. We don't need half of the stuff on here. Scorpionman 02:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. It's an all-around mess.  WAVY 10 17:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So begin writing already!!!! "I agree", "I agree".... Won't help much this way... I am not English, but will try :) User:Fc_turner — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.60.61.224 (talk) 19:52, 14 August 2007‎ (UTC)
I am a Christian and I don't think it is an attack on Phil. It tells the true story -   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.255.189 (talk) 21:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: It was at the time. It's been cleaned up somewhat.  WAVY 10 Fan 23:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: I made an initial attempt at a rewrite.  As a long-time listener of Phil's music, I might be biased in the positive direction, but I don't believe that I added any content that isn't factual.  Please feel free, all, to continue to revise, or even do another rewrite if what I've done still isn't up to par. Trothwell (talk) 04:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made an initial attempt at a rewrite 

message: I don't think that the tax court decision is a reversal of the criminal conviction. Peter Reilly (talk) 03:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal tax issues 

message: The section "Tax evasion and conspiracy", as it is currently stands in its comparative size and emphasis, right now seems to transgress, or border on transgressing, some Wikipedia policies such as WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. I'd like to point out that a similar section in the article on Jim Bakker seems more neutral. Can we bring this section in this Phil Driscoll article more in line with Wikipedia policies? Softlavender (talk) 22:59, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, I made some tweaks to remove some extraneous information that seemed to be a bit gratuitous. Softlavender (talk) 05:48, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV concerns 

message: Hi, Personal Life sections are for listing spouse, partner, marriage, children, family, and home location. Prison terms and writing producing and starring in films are not Personal Life items, so that paragraph needs to go elsewhere. Since both are career related (the prison term was a conviction of using his ministry to fail to pay taxes; the film is clearly a professional and career activity), I am moving the paragraph back to the Career section. Softlavender (talk) 00:59, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life section 

message: I have fully protected the page for one to stop the edit war.  If consensus is reached before then any admin can remove the protection without consulting me.  -- GB fan 18:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: .  Here are my observations, the three of you need to start discussing the issues.  Stop talking about motives for edits.  Stop talking about who is a veteran editor and who isn't and what constitutes a veteran editor.  Stop talking about the other editor.  Stop talking at the other editor.  Start talking to the other editor.  Start talking about the content and the reasons why it should or should not be included.  Start talking about how you think the information could be included.  Do we reduce it or does it not belong at all?  I would nuke the whole section above and start over without any accusations with a discussion of the issues.  -- GB fan 15:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I attempted to initiate a constructive editorially-focused dialog when I posted this comment. I'm at a loss as to why the other two editors involved in this dispute chose to ignore it. Anyhow, it outlines the issues at hand as I see them, so perhaps we can start there. Thanks for the page protection and trying to get this dialog refocused. Rhode Island Red (talk) 23:12, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

text: I will not make that edit.  That is the basis of the dispute, it is a controversial edit.  You can use  to ask another admin if they will make that change.  -- GB fan 00:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to correct a few of Softlavender's statements above, for the record: (1) the edit is not even remotely "supported by consensus" as described in WP:CONSENSUS; (2) as GB pointed out is is not "non-controversial"; (3) according to WP:LEAD, the statement does belong in the lead (i.e., "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies"); and (4) it's not true that "it was never in the lead until September 4" -- in fact it was in the lead since 2011 and stayed that way for over 2 years until Softlavendar removed it and Musdan purged it from the body text. It's a bit surprising that Softlavendar can't remember the history of his own editorial involvement with the article. Rhode Island Red (talk) 00:55, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Thank you. I figured that would be necessary given that we are still awaiting a response from the other two parties involved. Rhode Island Red (talk) 16:35, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fully Protected 

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