Talk:Duke of Cornwall

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*Celtic Frontier or County Boundary? Competing discourses of a late nineteenth century British border
Bretagne 44 14:44, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Celtic Frontier or County Boundary?

message: From recollection, Christopher Hibbert's biography of George III states that the young prince was not created Duke of Cornwall as George II preferred to keep the Duchy's income, as though it may have been possible to grant the title. Similarly the future Richard II was Duke of Cornwall despite being a grandson of the monarch. Is there anything fixed other than convention that stops the title being specially conferred on the heir apparent in such circumstances? And if not, could changes be made were, say, Prince Charles to predecease the Queen? Timrollpickering 09:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What stops a grandson taking the title? 

message: I'm not sure this article is correct in places. The Creation of 1337 and  modifications of 1421 were often not observed in practice. It's all dependant on how you interpret the wording - the 1421 changes remove the heirs of the grantee clause of 1337 - because otherwise Henry V would not have met the terms of the grant.  Another example being the Jacobite split in after the Glorious Revolution.  William and his heirs fall outside the grant where the jacobites do not - though they can't claim the title for other reasons. I'm struggling atm to find the original acts in full as this article really needs them so we can be clear both what they said and the extent to which they were observed.
The terms of Act of Parliament 1337 are "eidem duci et ipsius et heredum suorum regnum Anglie filiis primogenitis et dicti loci ducibus in regno Anglie hereditarie successuris" which is heirs (no mention of legitimacy at all - not heirs male of the body lawfully begotten which is the usual remainder) firstborn of the kings of England. These terms were ignored by or regranted differently both before the 1421 changes and afterwards. The 1471 patent is to "habend. et tenend. eidem Duci et ipsius et heredum suorum Regum Anglie fil. porimogenitusu et dicti loci Ducibus" which is almost back to 1337 from the intermediate changes. 
I'm by no means clear on this but this article is even less so at the moment and needs the help of someone who can work thorugh the charters and regrants to establish whats happening Alci12 17:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Succession 

message: Is The Loyal Toast used in Cornwall? And what form does it take? "The Duke of Cornwall"? "The Queen"? Both or either? Just something I'm wondering // DBD 23:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loyal Toast 

message: The Commonwealth realms have/are-in-the-process-of adopting full primogeniture, eliminating the male preference primogeniture previously used.  What does this do to the titles like Duke of Cornwall?  If Prince William's first child is a girl and some subsequent child is a boy, the girl is heiress apparent.  Would she also become Duchess of Cornwall or would it still go to her younger brother, the spare? TheUnknown285 (talk) 04:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We really won't know until either the laws are formally passed or William (or whoever) has a first-born daughter.  Hot Stop talk-contribs 04:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in succession 

message: I was amazed reading the article to discover that at least the last 5 Dukes have simultaneously held the title of Duke of Rothesay from1469 - 1540 , and I thought Charles was only born in 1948. I would do something about it myself but knowing nest to nothing about the subject I would probably make a hash of it. --wintonian talk 00:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dukes of Cornwall, 1337 creation 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The infobox had a subtitle saying "subsidiary of Principality of Wales," which I deleted because it's clearly wrong. The two titles are indeed held by the same person, but the titles are entirely distinct, and were created separately. It implied a connection that doesn't exist. Richard75 (talk) 22:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not "subsidiary of Principality of Wales" 

message: Who receives the income from the Duchy when there is no current Duke of Cornwall? Valetude (talk) 17:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interregnum? 

message: As of the date of this comment, the article contained this text: QUOTE: On 21 June 1968 a royal warrant augmented the aforementioned arms with the heir-apparent's coronet, which consists of four crosses patée and four fleurs-de-lises with one arch (used only by the Prince of Wales).UNQUOTE. Make up your mind. Is this coronet the coronet of the Heir Apparent? OR, is it the coronet of the Prince of Wales? MY belief is that this is the coronet of the Heir Apparent. To make it as specific as possible, the language "used only by the Prince Of Wales" is incorrect. William will use this coronet (AND will be Duke of Cornwall, AND will have the Ostrich-Feathers) the very instant Elizabeth II dies, BEFORE his father gets around to making him Prince of Wales. So, it's just wrong.2603:7000:9906:A91C:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 01:14, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Coronet?

message: In private correspondance with the Duchy of Cornwall, a representative said that the charter of 1337 is the governing document regarding succession, and not the 1421 as was previously stated in the article. They also referred me to the Prince's Case which established that the charter's rule on succession must be followed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaximusWikipedian (talk • contribs) 21:12, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession to the title 

message: This article seems to assume that the title Duke of Cornwall automatically passed from Charles to William at the moment of the Queen's death. Can someone explain how this can be so? A Dukedom is a hereditary title. Charles has held it since he became Prince of Wales, when the Queen gave it to him, but he is still alive, so surely he retains the title unless and until he gives it to William. Is there a special rule relating to this title? If so, what is it? Constant Pedant (talk) 07:37, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it did pass to him at the moment of the Queen's death. The Duchy of Cornwall is a strange creation, it has quasi-sovereignty over the entire territory of Cornwall, all of the powers the Crown normally has are possessed by the Duchy in Cornwall. For that reason the Duchy continues to exist, even when there is no Duke, and due to the nature of its creation in 1337 it automatically passes to the heir apparent, who must also be the eldest son of the monarch. Bodrugan (talk) 08:29, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Succession to title

message: When the (former) Cambridges moved to Kensington Palace, it was announced that it will remain their official London home until William becomes monarch. And should the 'residence' be changed to Adelaide Cottage? It is now their primary residence. Hanna.paml (talk) 02:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seat(s) and Residence 

message: There are possible issues regarding his dates as Duke 1) As it noted at Edward of Westminster, Prince of Wales in the succession box between 31 October – 30 December 1460 Richard of York, 3rd Duke of York also claimed the title (and arguably had the superior legal claim for part of the period) so at best in this period his claim was a disputed one 2) From 1461-1470 during the first reign of Edward IV of England it is doubtful whether his claim to be Duke would have been recognised in England 3) The Prince of Wales article noted he lost that title (and it follows the Dukedom of Cornwell) on 11 April 1471 when Edward IV was legally restored. Yet here we say he lost the title on his death which did not come until 4 May 1471.  Dunarc (talk) 23:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edward of Westminster, Prince of Wales - dates as Duke 

message: I changed the reference to losing the Duchy of Normandy to one to claiming the Kingdom of France as the source describes him as "losing the ducal in the royal dignity" rather than disclaiming the title. It doesn't explain why he chose to make someone a duke then, but I don't know whether or not he still claimed to be Duke of Normandy, and I don't know how reliable Blackstone is regarding mediaeval history.
The Edward III of England article says he styled himself as King of France then, but only assumed the title in 1340. I don't know how this affects things. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 16:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edward III