Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages/Archive 12

message: Do we have a policy on how it's determined if a page is a dab or not?  Free Presbyterian Church is the one I'm thinking of.  It had a dab tag on it so I edited it as such.  I was reverted and the dab tag removed.  It still looks an awful lot like a dab to me.  And in general?  What do we do with cases like these? Tedernst | talk 19:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's clearly disambiguating, and was marked for cleanup.  But one of the reasons I arrived on this talk page is the rather stark view that some have of these pages.  Some folks want them to _assist_ in locating the correct page.  Stripping all the useful information was too much!  Moreover, it may be a bit more work, but several of them already have enough information for a stub article, which would be a lot more useful than deleting the gathered information.... William Allen Simpson 21:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry.  I'm not sure what you're referring to.  If you're referring to my specific actions on that page, that's in the past, as far as I'm concerned.  That page is not currently a dab page, which is my current issue.  How do we know what's supposed to be a dab and what's not.  If that's a dab, I'm going to edit it again, to remove unnecessary wikilinks and all references at a minimum.  If it's a not a dab, then I'm trying to understand what makes it not a dab.  Specifics about that page can be discussed there.  I'm trying to ask a more general question.  That page is just an example.  Tedernst | talk 22:23, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If a page is concerned with one topic (eg Free Presbyterian Church's) then I get the feeling it's not a disambiguation page. Take Conservative Party. It is currently marked as a dab, but ideally it should follow format of Liberal Party.  is often abused by editors who don't know what to with a page, the author of Free Presbyterian Church  has eluded to this on the talk.--Commander Keane 22:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's my take: it is a dab page, but it shouldn't be one, for the reasons listed above.  Ideally, someone will come around to writing an article on it.  Maybe it could be put on requested articles?  I don't know how to deal with this... that's just what I reckon.  Neonumbers 00:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  dab or not 

message: further reading: Standard Talk:Standard - Tobias Conradi (Talk) 23:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  the glorious WP has no article about [[standard]] anymore 

message: Template:Lookfrom was recently created, and could be useful on Dab pages, especially pages for first names, such as David etc. This template will put a link to Special:Allpages with all pages that begin with this name. Could be useful, but the template may need to be formatted to make it look better (I can't do fancy formatting so I won't try!) --Wonderfool 15:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I proposed something like this as an explicit link addition under See also on a dab page and it was generally rejected as being an unnecessary addition to dab page content.  That was several months ago as I recall.  If consensus is to move forward with this now, it might be useful to format the template similarly to  by boxing it and setting is off to the side because it effectively leads people into a domain of Wikipedia that the vast majority will never have visited (let alone known about) and exits disambiguation proper by providing access to stemmed products of the article title.  One thing that is a disadvantage is that redirects are not distinguishable on Special:Allpages, which will be a source of frustration for many users, I believe. User:Ceyockey 04:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I think one place where the template (or a mutation of it) would be helpful is on pages like Xeno where the term is both a standalone word/title as well as a prefix.  The usage as a prefix would be well served by adding the link to Special:Allpages, and I'll do so on this particular instance.  User:Ceyockey 17:37, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Lookfrom]]