Talk:Jeff Rense

message: The article on the Peabody awards is relevant to the reliability of Rense. He is either intentionnaly misleading people or he doesn't care. It's important that Rense not gain respectability by association to the Peabody. The paragraph is entirely accurate. If the Peabody is obscur then why is it featured so prominently on his website?
There is promotion of holocaust denial and promotion of the anti-semitic "protocols of the elders of zion" right on rense. com. A huge portion of jeff rense's site and program is devoted to defending neo-nazis
The Rense.com website claims 7 Peabody Award nominations. RENSE IS LYING. The Peabody Awards do not have nominees. Anyone can fill out an entry and then later the winners are announced. The following is an email from the Peabody Awards Foundation: 'The Peabody Awards program receives between 1,000 and 1,200 entries each year. We have a 15 member judging panel that meets several times during the judging season, as well as listening to/watching entries alone in their homes. They discuss all entries as a group, usually awarding between 30 and 35 Peabodys each year. There are no set number of awards given, and the board does not choose winners according to categories. We do not have a list of finalists or "nominees" as other awards programs have. ... Danna L. Williams Senior Administrative Assistant, emailed Feb. 6th 2006 '
::Last time I looks promotion of neo-nazisism etc was undesirable, but was still a constitutionally protected form of free speech. Therefore it should be matched with logic and historical accuracy, not used to imply wrongdoing.
::perfectblue 10:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrections 10.03.06

message: I feel I was fair enough on my edit. While Rense is no doubt anti-Zionist (considers Israel to be a front for Western Imperialism and unfair to the Palestinians) I really do not think he is an anti-Semite. He does host some Jewish scholars on the subject of Zionism, particularly Barry Chamish (Again, I will give the man's website  and His Rense contributions , I will note Barry is not really an anti-zionist and is loyal to his country, but he does see that the people who formed the idea and are presently promoting the creation of "Greater Israel" as being driven by bad motives) and posts by the likes of Judy Andreas ( and ) and even socialists like Ralph Schoenman  and Marxist Lenni Brenner (This is the site I referred to, I made a mistake, it is not Marxists.org, it is Marxsts.de, they may be related, here is his full criticism of Zionism and it's collaborations with the Nazis ). And, on the other, more conservative hand, he has (admittedly controversial and somewhat extreme) Orthodox sects post articles, such as the Hungarian Haredim of Neturei Karta and (affiliated?) Jews Against Zionism (I say extreme because I am weary of supporting the Palestinians too much, since they do have quite a bit of blood on their hands, too, and their sure not dealing with their problems very well, as exemplified in the current French-Crisis. I just think Palestine was provoked first).
I admit some of his guests and contributors make me nervous at times (Lorraine Day, Zundel, Makow, etc.). The truth is similar to the Second Amendment issue, if anti-social personalities are going to abuse free-speech, then they are going to do it no matter what type of laws are out there. The best way to defend is with countermeasures (I respected the RenseWatch site for this reason, and hope Jeff reads that article about Hoss because he may have inadvertently stepped into some trouble). Hate laws do not fix things and could only end up hurting more because it can be manipulated for controlling law-abiding, mentally stable citizens with marginal effect on the intended target (if they are not already controlled or funded/cultivated for use in problem=reaction=solution type operations), and such moves often only convince them of their own prejudices even more, making them more dangerous and unreasonable anyway. 
There must be calls towards hate awareness (informing and warning people about hate), not thought control (slandering then banning people or ideas that could threaten special interests).
Now that I think of it, I may have made a bigger impression writing this here because it is true that we are dealing with a public encyclopedia and it is very hard to sepereate fact and opinion (or objectively present opinions, as I thought I was doing). I was irresponsible with my actions, sorry.
BTW: While reading some of the discussions surrounding the Rabin assassination I stumbled across the comments from one "Kempler Video" (a reference to a video showing that Amir did not shoot Rabin, but that he, similar to Kennedy incident, was shot from the front at point blank-range by another gunman) who has charged of some shady characters of editing his work. I want to give my word of encouragement. Keep up the good work KV! Don't let them get in your way, speak out!  
  Ideocentric Roybot (AKA: 69.248.43.27)
The definition of an anti-semite is as follows according to websters.
"One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews."
Upon investigation, I have found no evidence of anti-semetic comments made by Jeff Rense. It is causally flawed to link text published on the website "www.rense.com" to Mr. Rense himself. Based on his own assertions to the contarary, and the lack of any supporting evidence to the claim, I have removed the anti-semetic wording.
:While you had Webster's in front of you you should have looked at the spelling of "anti-semitic".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.103 (talk) 08:15, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am confused as to your statements.  Why is having famous anti-semitic forgeries and incitement against Jews posted as true on rense.com not anti-Semitic? Is it not Mr. Rense's website?  Also, he has known anti-Semitic Holocaust deniers on his show (Mark Weber and Zundel, among others).   Anyhow, in the end, it is irrelevant what you or I think, it is what other people say.  I will include some links to accusations, we already mention that he denies it. --Goodoldpolonius2 00:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally, I would agree that the lunatic fringe is not relevant, but the issue here is that Rense is a member of that fringe, so criticsm from his community is relevant.  Only conspiracy theorists and UFO people follow Rense (who also believes in aliens), so he is mostly criticized from within that community, and Art Bell is significant there.  Despite claimsto the contrary by Resne, the wider world has not heard of him, as a Nexis or JSTOR search demonstrates (0 JSTOR hits, 1 mention in passing on Nexis news search).  However, he has been criticized by the Wyman Center for Holocaust denial and anti-Semtism, and by the State Department for misinformation. (but not specifically anti-Semitism).  And the anti-Semitic forgeries on Rense.com, and the anti-Semitism of Weber and other guests, as well as the anti-Semitic nature of Holocaust denial, are all well-evidenced facts noted by many scholars.  Again, your defense ignores the questions I asked above -- there is clearly a lot of anti-Semitic materials on rense.com, and from his guests as well, saying it doesn't exist seems to be against the facts. --Goodoldpolonius2 03:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: First, you may want to sign your comments with --~~~~.  Second, your focus on JSTOR is strange, as I also mentioned that I did a Nexis search of all newspaper and magazine articles about Rense and found a single mention, in passing -- clearly comments about him are not to be found in the press, good or bad.  So who does comment on him? Why, fellow conspiracy theorists and radio hosts (and the occasional Holocaust denial monitoring organization), which claim that he is anti-Semitic.  But, you say, these groups (I assume you don't mean the Wyman Center) are conspiracy theorists and are uncredible, but by your own standards of evidence, Rense himself would not be credible, so I am confused.  In any case, Wikipedia is not a forum, and rather than getting into point-by-point discussions of why Rense has Holocaust deniers appear frequently, etc., I am comfortable with your most recent change to the article (changing "identified"), so if there is no substantive issue, we can stop the back-and-forth debate over Rense and move on to other issues. --Goodoldpolonius2 04:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Standing by what I said

message: I have just recieved an email from Michael Harrison of talkers magazine confirming that Jeff Rense was in the "heavy hundred" for talkers magazine in 2001. I suggest you email talkers magazine if you take issue with this: Michael@talkers.com --cdfreelancer 20.46 GMT 03/03/06
:Great, thanks for hunting this down. --Goodoldpolonius2 21:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Talkers magazine 'claim'

message: I feel it is worth noting that Jeff Rense is accused of co-conspiring with Alex Jones to protect his monopoly from any "competition" (this includes Victor Thorn and Lisa Guiliani, members of the World Independant News Group who are the duel's harshest critics on this regard), they also suspect him (and Alex) of being a schill for the conspiracy (they accuse the two of not being specific enough in regards to names and organizations, even in regards to the issue of Zionism, and hold that they delve into sensationalism rather then the real-world political and historic issues behind these particular threats). I also think their should be a special WING Tv artical  -- IdeArchos 01:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WING Tv 

message: Could someone message me on my talkpage regardin which is the appropriate article for this? Thanks --Striver 22:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Should there perhaps be a mention somewhere that Jeff Rense's step-mother is Paige Rense - editor-in-chief of Architectural Digest Magazine, and New York socialite? Also his brother is journalist Rip Rense, and his father (now deceased) was Arthur F. Rense. All people of some note. ~VanHammersly
I would agree that this information should be included if indeed it can be verified.
--NiceguyC 12:03, 27 April 2006 (GMT)
Hmmm... The only thing that comes close to verification that I've been able to find on-line so far is an obit from the N.Y. Times( http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE3D9163DF936A35752C0A967958260 ) for Arthur F. Rense. It lists his wife as Paige Rense, and his three sons as Jeff, Rip & Kirk. Of course, I suppose that doesn't verify this particular Jeff Rense as THEE Jeff Rense. :) Still looking. 70.27.168.78 07:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: His Step-Mother, and others

message: I removed two paragraphs from the criticism section due to the fact that not only was the recent addition highly POV but the section had become way oversized relative to the rest of the article. in the interests of fairness and balance it's best to keep the article relatively objective rather than to have it reading like one big criticism. If you compare the Rense article to the articles on Art Bell and George Noory, both of who are similar radio hosts to Rense, they don't feature any criticism at all. In my opinion the criticism section should be trimmed down further to one paragraph in keeping with other articles. This article has often been subject to politicised editing and vandalism and as a result there are three paragraphs of criticism.
--NiceguyC 12:02, 27 April 2006 (GMT)
:They don't feature criticism because those guys aren't anti-semitic nutjobs. Better watch out or the International Jewish Conspiracy(tm) will getcha! (yeah yeah, it's not POV, but I'm not editing the article) -- FretBored 06:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trimmed down criticism section

message: "investigative journalist?" "as the US mainstream media still purports?" "compelling evidence of highly advanced ancient technology?" Come now. Tom Harrison Talk 15:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, fair enough. I see I did wrongly attribute that puffery to you, when it had been in the article for some time before. Tom Harrison Talk 02:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: To avoid edit warring, is it possible you tag sentences with  instead? This will allow sources to be provided, if they cannot be supported by WP:RS sources then things will slowly revert themselves, also avoiding a pointless revert war. --NuclearZer0 18:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credulous slant 

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thread_title:  material removed 

message: Regarding the edit by User:69.249.25.199 (inspired by the Rense.com-hosted article Jewish Rule ), reverted by User:Mecu, I hope that counting isn't considered "Original Research", because on the Rense.com homepage of 29 May, 2007, 12:30am EDT, I counted links/stories containing these keywords:
:Zionism / Zionist - 31 
:Israel / Israeli - 21 
:Jew / Jews / Jewish - 14 
:Holocaust - 7
Some are duplicates, but other headlines containing words like "denial" and "Palestinian", reference stories critical of Jews but don't contain the above keywords.  Only one, "Israeli archeologist driven to find king's tomb" (a Los Angeles Times story), could be considered clearly positive.  So I've added this text to the "Website" section; note the reliable source:
:The Rense.com homepage also contains numerous links to pages critical of Zionism, Israel, and other Jewish groups and individuals.  It also hosts and links to pages denying the Holocaust.  The Anti-Defamation League calls Rense.com "a conspiracy-oriented Web site that contains anti-Semitic material".
This is about the website only; I know nothing of his radio show.  Perhaps the above only reflects his webmaster's interests.  --Wfaxon 06:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website anti-Jewish references 

message: A lot of the article is about the show\website and not the person. I think there should be a separate article for the show and a separate one for the person. Yonatan talk 15:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting the article

message: Due to editing back and forth on this page, as well as complaints received by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:OTRS) I protected this page until editors manage to agree on something reasonable to say on Mr Rense's alleged antisemitism. Please ask another admin to unprotect when the situation is ready. David.Monniaux 16:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I only know about the web site, let me ask some questions of the other editors:  (1) Can the the Rense.com website itself be considered a reliable source regarding the content of Rense.com?  Or do we have to rely on other sources to describe it?  (2) Can 70+ links to pages critical of Jews be characterized as "numerous" or is that "cherry-picking"?  (After all, the Library of Congress contains many such works, even Mein Kampf.)  (3) Is the Anti-Defamation League a reliable source?  There have been many sourced edits by others but I find this subject both uncomfortable and draining; perhaps one of you guys can pick up the ball, and maybe message the talk pages of other editors of this article, both pro and con  --Wfaxon 07:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until it's sorted out, could someone please change the text in "website" that calls Rense.com the "#1 disinformation site"? The page only lists two other sites alongside Rense's own, and in no particular order. IMPO, the present version is giving him way too much credit. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 23:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protected 

message: There are no sources for the second paragraph of the Biographical information and the first paragraph in About the Show, either than that provided by Rense himself, and one article written by "Lisa Guliani." How do we know any of this is true? Can it be verified by independent sources (i.e. the television stations he supposedly worked for, the university he allegedly attended)? If it cannot be verified, it should be removed. (Interesting to note that the Lisa Guliani article quotes one of Rense's former employers as saying he is a "compulsive liar.") Furthermore this entry should not be "Jeff Rense" but rather "Jeff Rense Show." There is almost nothing about the man himself... his birthdate, where he lives, if he's married or has children, etc. (Compare for example to the Art Bell Wiki entry.) This entry reads more like a promo piece for his program. FinanceGuy2000 15:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the original criticism -  that there is almost nothing about the person himself.  How old is he? Where was he born? Is says he was at UCSB in 1994, but that's about it that I can see. Does he keep his age a secret or something? Jimw338 (talk) 05:24, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biographical information verification 

message: A detailed look at the stories that appear on Rense's site will show you that a significant porportion of the articles come from so-called 'mainstream' or 'recognized' sources; I trust that the Wikipedia pages on these sources (some listed below), will now be labelled as conspiracy sites?
(as at 12:55 EST 11/29/07; the top ten stories came from: You Tube, US Congressional Website; Global Research, Seattle PI, Newsmax, (#6- Appears Original, but is also likely reproduced), North America Inter Press Service, Reuters, Time, The Financial Times. (what a bunch of kooks and tin-foil hatters most of those sources are.)
The point should really be made that Rense is a collector and distributor of predominantly pre-exsiting data already to be found elsewhere on the web (most of the headlines are simply links to other sites).
If he reproduces articles which are SUBJECTIVELY deemed rascist (anti-semitism is essentially a brand of rascism, albeit one given special attention - isn't giving 'special attention' to a particular race above others essentially rascism? The ADL doesn't care about defamation of other religions/races = the ADL is a mis-nomer implying they represent all those defamed, no they care not one iota for anyone but members of their own race) this does not make him a racist! If the BBC runs a report about a Holocaust denier, this does not make them Holocaust deniers! Come on!
I hope that someone will take a good look at this article, and perhaps even read some of Rense's reproduced articles before tainting him with their own ill-educated brushes. Feel free to cast off your own preconceptions and research a little on the topics Rense addresses.
If you believe 'hook-line-and-sinker' everything your government tells you, then I think the implied assertion that Rense is somehow insane might more adequately be appropriate to yourself. Iraq, 9/11, WMD ring any bells!
Grow Up & do some research!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JaseFace (talk • contribs) 18:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because some of the sources for the article are from the MSM, doesn't mean he's not a conspiracy theorist.  See Conspiracy theory. --Strothra (talk) 18:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeff Rense Sources - Baised label of 'conspiracy theorist'

message: Several of the source links used to establish Jeff Rense's past are actually articles which bash Rense.. I find that odd.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.127.8.252 (talk) 13:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Think that is bad, check out the ADL article's Talk page. HE says the ADL is insulting, persecuting Christians. 205.240.144.214 (talk) 23:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Source of that is a Rev. Ted Pike. 205.240.144.214 (talk) 23:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting choice of source articles

message: Come on guys, you can't seriously accept wingtv as a reliable source, even though they don't seem to be sourced in a negative manner, just a few minutes on their site should show you how ridiculous they are, and why their research is virtually worthless on any topic.  I'm pulling them out. Hulahulahulahula (talk) 21:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wing TV as source???? 

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replies: text: Why was the medically related matter about "Big Pharma" drugging children removed? This is a medical matter, NOT any politically motivated matter at all. I'm not even politically active at all. Powerzilla (talk) 03:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed material 

message: The opening sentence of this page violates Wiki policies for Biographies of living persons. Calling him a "conspiracy theorist", which is commonly perceived as a pejorative, does not fit the Neutral point of view (NPOV) guidelines and should be edited immediately.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.113.61.66 (talk) 23:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Conspiracy theorist label violates NPOV and BLP guidelines

message: The web stream radio show was originally known as "Sightings on the Radio", by agreement with actor/producer Henry Winkler, who was producing the syndicated television show "Sightings" (TV-Series 1992-1997).[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103549/ "Sightings" (1992)
Dabomb87 (talk) 01:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Dabomb87 (talk) 01:19, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Richtig33, 14 August 2010 

message: The article says: "In 2009 fellow conspiracy theorist Alex Jones threatened to sue Rense for libel, after Rense referred to him as a "Zionist shill" and a link on Rense's site suggesting that Jones may have murdered Milton William Cooper. Both sides claim to have received death threats and verbal abuse from the other." The link is to YouTube, however, the video has been removed for a terms of use violation. As of now, this is an unsourced statement with serious BLP issues, so I will remove it. If somebody wants to readd it with a proper source, that is fine. Kansan (talk) 04:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Remove it for now pending we get reliable references for this. __meco (talk) 06:46, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alex Jones feud 

message: MUCH of the information in this article is unverifiable:
Biographical Information:
There are no sources for any of the following:
* Rense was born in St. Louis, Missouri and grew up in Southern California.
* Rense worked as a television news reporter, producer and anchor for Santa Barbara's ABC affiliate, KEYT-TV.
* He performed the same duties for two TV stations in the Northwest in the early to mid-1980s, chiefly Oregon NBC affiliate KOBI-TV, where he spent several years.
* He left the business after jobs in Oregon and at a Las Vegas, Nevada television stations. 
* Later, Rense returned to Santa Barbara and opened several "All About Pets" stores, which he sold in the early-1990s.
This is a subjective statement, unverifiable and does not adhere to Wiki's NPOV:
* Rense is one of the world's leading authorities on the music and life of tenor Mario Lanza.
Radio Show:
There is no source for the following::
* Rense first tried his hand at radio while an education major at the University of California Santa Barbara.
This source is a promo piece from Rense's own website:
* Sometime in 1994 Rense decided to self-finance his own radio show
There is no source for the following. (The IMDB link references only the Henry Winkler TV series; it indicates NO AFFILIATION to "Sightings on the Radio"):
* [Rense] approached Santa Barbara radio station KTMS with his idea for a talk radio show. The web stream radio show was originally known as "Sightings on the Radio", by agreement with actor/producer Henry Winkler, who was producing the syndicated television show "Sightings" (TV series 1992–1997).
Show topics and previous guests:
The first half of this statement is outdated information; Steiger is no longer listed as a regular guest on the Rense site, and has not been a guest on the show since Nov 2010. The second half of the statement is subjective and without a source:
* One of Rense's favourite guests is paranormal expert Brad Steiger, who is also a personal friend of Rense.
My suggestion is for the above statements to be deleted, as they are not verifiable. Per Wiki guidelines, encyclopedic content must be verifiable.
LucyJones88 (talk) 13:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request - much of this article is unverifiable 

message: If there is no actual proof that Jeff Rense advocates holocaust denial, then the category "Holocaust deniers" should be removed.96.26.213.146 (talk) 06:14, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Negative categories on biographies of living people need to be mentioned in the article and backed up with a reference to a reliable source. Danger (talk) 13:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the antisemitism category apply either? I don't listen to his show, but his website seems to have conspiracy theories that do not have noticeable tinges of racism. This is a BLP, you know. 96.26.213.146 (talk) 07:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Noticing now that Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism are mentioned in the article. My intuition is that in order to be included in these sorts of ideological categories that the vast majority of people would find negative requires a person to express them personally rather than hosting others' expression of those views. --Danger (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you guys dumb, by any chance? Of course Rense is a hub for holocaust denial. "If there is no actual proof"...how about these?
http://www.rense.com/general86/hoccl.htm
http://rense.com/general87/hlc.htm
http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm
http://www.rense.com/general62/meth.htm
Is that enough or should I continue? And kindly abstain from "denial vs revisionism" smartassery. Anything that comes from the IHR is denial based on fraudulent interpretation of documents and often outright lies, not legitimate revisionism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8388:502:3D80:71E4:75DE:11A9:E465 (talk) 21:09, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holocaust denial 

message: Rense's recent feud with Henry Makow has revealed that he has had 9 wives so far. On Rense's own site he has admitted that his marriage numbers rival those of Liz Taylor, so he himself admits he has been married a lot. I'm not going to get into the tenor of those marriages, http://www.henrymakow.com/i_know_jeff_rense_as_a_predato.html as I believe Wikipedia has some sort of policy against this type of material for living persons? However, in personal information the number of marriages seems like relevant Wikipedia knowledge. For example, the Larry King bio on Wikipedia clearly says he has been married 8 times right at the start of his personal life section. Anyone have any opinions on this? JettaMann (talk) 15:45, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Biographical information - nine wives not mentioned

message: Most of the content of this article has no source. Primary sources are good only for the opinions or statements of the primary source, not for content presented as facts. Policy (WP:BLP) is clear, unsourced content should be removed and not restored. Primary sourced content should be extremely limited and used only for providing the position of the source. Substantial trimming is forthcoming if sources are not provided. - - MrBill3 (talk) 09:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced content in a BLP 

message: Some of his views are very obviously NOT "fringe views". For example animal rights, advanced ancient technology (pyramids were very advanced for their time) and alternative medicine which is even used by many mainstream doctors and for which recognised qualifications exist (eg. regarding naturopathic doctors). 9/11 conspiracy theories are hardly fringe anymore, as most people are at the very least suspicious of the official story and supportive of at least one of the other versions, of which many exist. 
I am not saying that I am going to provide proof of what I say, but I as saying I should be allowed to remove the term fringe views, at least as far as some of his view are concerned - because they don't have evidence to backup those views being "fringe views".--197.229.61.88 (talk) 20:06, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Some of his views are '''NOT''' "Fringe views"

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