Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 3

message: I'm just beginning to get involved in trains right now, and more often tend to work on a great variety of other subjects (samurai battles, kabuki, ukiyo-e...). You guys are doing an amazing job of covering all the modern, contemporary stations and lines. Out of curiosity, however, are any of you here interested in, or contributing to, articles on Meiji-period trains, railroads in the colonies, or other historical subjects? LordAmeth 12:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meiji period 

message: *:Josei Sen'yō Sharyō → :Women-only car —(Discuss)
I've posted the above move request, and I was hoping to get some feedback. I think the current name is a definite no-no - article name should be in English, and "Josei Sen'yō Sharyō" isn't notable enough to be an exception. Now, I'm not entirely sure if the name I'm proposing is the best one - it's neither Japan- nor rail-specific. Any ideas? Thanks. --Ytny (talk) 06:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it is the most direct, simple, and common way of referring to the thing, in English. Seeing as how it's a redlink, I'd say go for it, unless or until someone else has a specific idea of what other important concepts that could refer to, at which point we make a disambig page. LordAmeth 09:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe "coach" instead of "car"? Since "car" often means "automobile" (in addition to what we mean here). "Coach" seems pretty immediately understandable. But "car" is ok too. Incidentally, the article has had some very strange names previously. Thanks for asking for advice so we can get it right! Fg2 11:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: There are two stations named Nakatsu in Osaka, Osaka Prefecture, Japan.  I hope this article will be splitted into two articles entitled Nakatsu Station (Hankyu) and Nakatsu Station (Osaka Municipal Subway) because two stations are not connected.Tigers boy 12:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and created the articles. I'll create a disambiguation page later. Ytny (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nakatsu Station (Osaka)]] 

message: Tōzai Line (JR West) → JR Tōzai Line
This one's a little complicated, since it goes against the current "JR by default" article naming convention, but the official name of the line should supersede the Wikipedia rule. 
Please feel free to have your say at Talk:Tōzai Line (JR West) Ytny (talk) 01:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been moved as the move was not controversial. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another requested move 

message: I have noticed that there does not seem to be a good overview of rail transportation (or transportation in general) for Ōsaka and Kansai. Osaka#Transport is very short, Kansai#Transport does not exist, and Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto#Transportation is entirely in list form. This does not compare well with Transportation in Greater Tokyo, for example. I do not have too much to say about transportation in Kansai myself, but I hope someone could incorporate some of the maps that are available (such as :Image:Wide-Area_Map_of_Osaka_City_Subway.png, :Image:JR_West_Urban_Network.png, :Image:Wide_Area_Map_of_Kintetsu.png, :Image:Hankyu_map.svg) with some relevant text. I think that the maps, with other images like :Image:WestJapanRailwayCompanyType223-1.JPG for context, could give a very good introduction to the subject without too much creativity needed in the text. I just uploaded :Image:JR_West_Urban_Network.png (mentioned above), which I hope is useful for this...
Esetzer 12:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary of Kansai lines 

message: I've listed a batch of subway line categories for deletion (or merge) at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 2#Tokyosubway. The reason is that these categories only contain main subway line articles and station subcategories. We're not going to have any more articles about Ginza Line to place in :Category:Tokyo Metro Ginza Line, and there already is a :Category:Stations of Tokyo Metro Ginza Line, adding an extra step in navigation. Ytny (talk) 06:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The same situation exists for many (all?) of the private railways in the Tokyo area too (and maybe elsewhere). I can't see what purpose categories such as "Category: XYZ Line" serve if there are also categories such as "Lines of (XYZ rail company)" and "Stations of XYZ Line". DAJF 07:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the Tokyo-area private railways to the proposal. I also noticed the same situation for Tokyo area JR East line categories - the most logical option seems to be to upmerge the "Stations of.." categories into the line categories. Ytny (talk) 08:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  Please read through Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 2#Sub-Categorizing first.  For the most part, I agree that the categories seem redundant; however, if a particular line has notable features (like a tunnel, an accident, etc), it should be categorized with the line.  Categorizing an accident in the "Stations of ...." category seems wrong to me. Neier 07:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  (and, an earlier discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 2#Category split proposal too. Neier 07:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, the Stations of... categories should be merged up and stations should be listed in the line categories. In the vast majority of cases, individual lines have no significant subarticles to warrant having separate categories for the line and its stations (this seems to fall in line with Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 2#Category split proposal). Ytny (talk) 08:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have to agree with Ytny on this one.  Creating categories for each line is a waste of time for me.  There's just too many categories cluttering the bottom of the article, it's very hard to read, and so we should reduce the categories...take a look at Shinjuku Station, for example.  The navigational boxes at the bottom do a nicer job, so we don't really need those categories.  Also, the train stations, accidents, tunnels, etc. can be categorized by prefecture and/or by railway companies instead.--Endroit 12:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, Ytny is not advocating getting rid of the line cats; just possibly removing Stations of  from the names of the cats at the bottom of each station article.  I agree that upmerging like that is useful.  Also, train stations should be categorized by their owner/operator; but, without a line subcat, the number of stations in each JR category would start to get pretty big.  I think that line cats ease that situation. Neier 13:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine with me.  Just drop the Stations of from "Category:Stations of ABC Line", and merge up.  That should ease the clutter a little.--Endroit 13:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Although I don't like the clutter, the categories don't really do any harm.  And Neier makes a whole lot of sense here.  As far as the CfD goes, we need to keep the categories if we are going to upmerge; so I voted Keep & Upmerge.--Endroit 14:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: FYI, I've changed my recommendation based on the discussion - keeping the line categories and upmerging the "stations of" categories seems to be the most sensible and would allow for stuff like accidents and notable structures. Ytny (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That seems like the easiest way to clear out most of them; but, I wonder if there's an easy way to check for any red-link categories that might result from that change. Neier 21:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category deletion 

message: I spotted one item in need of correction and one clarification needed for this page.
"Adjacent Stations" on subway #3 line: Kishinekoen station is incorrect; should be Mitsuzawa-shimocho.
References to the "Sagami line" should point out that on most maps and signage (including everywhere in Yokohama staion, as far as I've seen), this line is referred to as "Sotetsu line".  In my opinion it might be more useful to refer to it generally as Sotetsu (having once pointed out the offical Sagami name). 124.144.252.123 13:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. In the future, you can be bold and fix any obvious errors that you find. I know I leave plenty of errors behind, so I always appreciate it when someone cleans up after me. Ytny (talk) 17:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yokohama Station 

message: Should geodata (i.e. coordinates) be added to stations so that they show up on the Wikipedia layer of Google Earth? I think that I would support that, but I wonder if we shouldn't clutter Google Earth? BilabialBoxing 04:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been adding geodata for station articles I've edited. I don't know, it seems appropriate considering stations tend to be key landmarks in Japanese communities, but I don't use Google Earth so I'm not sure how bad the potential clutter would be. Ytny (talk) 05:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I can't comment on the issues of clutter in Google Earth either, but I don't see that that should be a criterion for deciding whether or not such data should be included on Wikipedia articles. One thing I have been doing occasionally is moving the coordinates from within the text of articles to the very top by inserting the "title" tag. I suggest this style be used for all stations. --DAJF 05:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Awhile back, I added the coords to all the local (Sendai) stations, so, obviously I think it's a good idea. Neier 09:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geodata for stations 

message: I'm a creator of  (and , which is (probably) a useful template for putting station platform information on articles. Here's some notification about that. I wrote it here because talk page of this template will not be seen so oftenly. If you feel it's inappropriate for here, feel free to remove it.
:First, if you find this template (not ) lacking pfn parameter, please add it like below:

to

:I appreciate it if you not only correct the template, but also notifying this to the user who first used it.
:Secondly, do not use  by yourself, it is included in . I think few people can understand what I said. first parameter can replace .


to

or

for single platform.
:Thirdly, there are some parameters that can be abbriviated, but only for , not for . They are nolinkindex (to nidx), lineindex (to idx) and linename (to name).
For more detailed information, see the template page. --Izumi5 08:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About {{template|ja-rail-line}} 

message: FYI, Commons user 天然ガス has uploaded several Japanese train photos, mostly taken in the Kansai, but a few in Hokkaido, in case anyone is looking for photos to use in articles. Ytny (talk) 02:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too, although they're harder to locate in my contributions. Most are in the usual categories and galleries. Fg2 04:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commons photos 

message: Keisei Ueno Station needs a photo, preferably in the Commons, either from the street showing the entrance or maybe an interior shot downstairs or the platforms. Oddly there is nothing in the commons or the Japanese wikipedia for this station. 11:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have uploaded two (exterior/interior) images to Commons, and included them in the Keisei Ueno Station article. DAJF 03:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo request - Keisei Ueno Station 

message: Hi guys. I found out there's barely any articles about Kintetsu. I have been working on some, and I am looking for someone to help. Kintetsu is the largest private railroad (excluding JR), and we better get to work.
Hirohisat 06:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kintetsu