Talk:Namasudra

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message: Hey Sitush,
I couldn't understand why you have removed the sourced content, which is another opinion regarding the origin / anthropometry / proximity to other to other groups of people, and is relevant in the context, and was incorporated keeping WP:NPOV in mind. Sources are cited along with url in order to ensure easy verifiablity; that doesn't mean snippet views are not acceptable. Also, you had mentioned in the past in some discussions that even if an online link is not available but the source is verifiable, then the same may also be used as a source. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:09, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It appeared to me that you had used the snippet view, which is indeed not acceptable because those views lack context. I would be interested to see more of that source. I tried using various proxies to get at Google Books via other countries' settings but it consistently returned the same small selection that you cite and which, frankly, seems rather meaningless.  If it is to go back in, I think it needs a explanation in the article text. Bear in mind that T. C. Raychaudhuri was brought up in the school of scientific racism and was teaching from the early 1920s. - Sitush (talk) 09:28, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

text: Oh, I should add that the quote referred to the Nisadic people. That seems to be a reference to the mythological Nisadha kingdom, which would fit with the book in which Raychaudhuri is cited because it is an attempt to connect actual ethnic groups to ancient literary references. If they're mythological, there can be no actual connection. - Sitush (talk) 09:43, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Source note 

message: This matter has not been mentioned at all. It was the Church which first evoked the sense of self-dignity. And it eas Rev C.S. Mead who was the man behind every communication with British India Govt Officials otherwise this community would have also been like the others. Their folk mythology has also not been mentioned at all. Their identity movement has been completely ignored in the article. Of course, it has been mentioned it was not a community of Four-Varnas or Chaturvarna. But the category has not been corrected. This is not a "Sudra" community but this information has been ignored. The Vyavastha is an important document but ignored. It played a great role in the name change. These things should be incorporated.117.194.195.157 (talk) 18:52, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Provide Reliable sources that supports your points and I'll be happy to include them whilst considering the aspects of due weightage et al. ∯WBGconverse 19:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:   Dr Sekhar Banerjee himself has mentioned the role of Rev C.S.Mead   regarding the establishment of Schools and the representation of Appeals in respect of name change . And he also mentions that Guruchand Thakur of Namo community was the defacto all in all in the movement. Only one document Sekhar Banerjee has not mentioned is "Vyavastha"  which contains a note of dissent in respect of "Sudra" tag, maybe as a member of Bengali Upper Varna Bhadraloke, he did not want to mention the consent of The Purohit Varna Pundits.117.194.196.215 (talk) 13:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Role of Church and Rev C.S.Mead and The Misconception of Name Change Plea

message: Straight cut copying of <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=MHEMAQAAMAAJ&q=namasudra&dq=namasudra&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjas8vpycHdAhVIsI8KHe2WBDo4ChDoAQgwMAI>, the views of Herbert Hope Risley, whose racial theories have been discredited and are fringe-y stuff....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.201.216 (talk) 12:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Why the fuck are you 'filibustering'? ∯WBGconverse 16:03, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It is talk page . I am not an editor of the article . You have done great work. Sekhar Banerjee in most cases also succeeded. Though my comments does not make a sense for him or for his discourse. I just warned of one attitude of the Bengali Hindu Bhadraloks.Your mother tongue is Bengali so you are not unaware of that Bhadraloke mentality . You have mentioned Marichjhappi , it begged for comments from Bhadralokes for many decades . But there was no RS . 117.194.193.252 (talk) 18:08, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

text: Sekhar Banerjee agrees with a Namasudra commentator that the word probably means the  best among the Sudras, who were paid obeisance to --- That is a Cheating interpretation that the word is devoid of , it reflects the backwardness of the community , if there be any commentator, he is just a  bloody stupid , when all communities of Bengali Hindus avoiding the "sudra" Varna , then this community is finding something to be proud for being "Notionally Enslaved By The Term 'sudra' " is astonishing , more shameful is those Bhadralokes beating The Drums: And Ridiculous is the fact that they cleverly Supressed the Note of Descent in "Vyavastha" and when some Editor not being Bhadraloke Archived the "Namassej Movement " of A web page comprising only a few Hundred Members, for mentioning it in The Wickipedia Article , now Bhadraloke Editors are removing it : It would not be out of place to mention that Sekhar Banerjee Himself mentioned of some documents like "Pataka" ,"Namashudra Suhrid" etc which were published only in few numbers , then at this time the Web page should have been a document ;;
Further there is Book , which mentions the Name as "Namassej Namo" and this name "Namo" was mentioned by Risely far back in 1891 which seems to be the only one both containgin there Mythology and baring the Bashing Apartheid Symbol Of Hindu Varna Apartheid , The Bengali Hindu Bhadraloke miserably failed even after 100 years to mention it ; rather they are engaged in misleading the Stupid communit and the Graeter world by cheating interpretation of the Apartheid term "Sudra" as meaning "Assistant " , really I feel astonished :: There is   RS  and That is Risely in 1891 and Vyavastha in 1901117.194.195.140 (talk) 14:18, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would only like to say that Wikipedia is a fact based site and it does NOT promote racism,casteism or apartheid. Infact majority of websites including Wikipedia would be called "leftist" by the 19th century Victorian standards. Facts are facts(no matter how hard it is to swallow) and most of the article is based of on books of credible historians like SB,N Ray etc. Unless any historian refutes the Sudra tag the current etymology of Namasudra/Namassej and Namassut stands. Also by sticking to facts Wikipedia is only highlighting the casteism prevalent in colonial Bengal among the elites who derided a community/tribe. IMHO it would be racist of Wikipedia if they tried to whitewash the fact that the particular community was not named as Namasudra. Pratik Maitra (talk) 13:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: The Ridiculous Racist Tag for Risely By The Editor Then Why Not Casteist Angle for Bhadroloks

message: This Varna-Free or Mukta Varna or Avarna  community must be mentioned as avarna. Although the 'Sudra'  tagged name is mentioned in all discourses , it is definitely 'Apartheid' without any confusion to name a community as 'sudra' and that is not permissible any where on this earth in any democracy . The name ""Namo"" is mentioned far back in 1891 by Risely , most of crude data references of Dr Sekhar Banerjee is from Risely . He himself has not done any survey so far I know . He does not reside in this continent also. He has clearly and confirmedly mentioned this community as "originally a tribe" living outside varna-society and without any land right or any of civili rights of a society .So there is no question of the community belonging originally to any Varna.The ""namo"" has not come from "Namsudra" , it is originated from The Namas Sage Mythology . That is what is said in the name ""Namassej"",actually the "sudra" tag is a part of subtle enslavement policy of the VarnaHindus. They always tried to enslave the Muktavarna  or Avarna tribes . The  deletion of the Name " Namo""  or "Namassej"( and also the archived movement from refernce)  or the original Tribal Status  denoted by "avrna' or 'varnafree"/muktavarna is defenitely  wrong and not in Dr Sekhar Banerjee's book . Dr Sekhar Banerjee has also not accepted the interpretation " best among the Sudras, who were paid obeisance to"; his interpretation is  Namasudra > Namati Sudra ( not Namas + sudra , clearly with a purpose to destroy the Mythology ); it means those who  paid obeisance to the sudrs  and thus  becomes low beneath the sudrs , that is 'chanral' what they still call them in their drwaing room . I have no account . I do not think that should be strict criteria. Any one can go through Sekhar Banerjee . 117.194.207.111 (talk) 09:20, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Namo  and Namas Sreeja 

message: any one watching this t/p has this book and is willing to send me scanned copies of specific pages?
I have my own doubts, as to it's reliability but, I will take a look.  ∯WBGconverse 06:32, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does  

message: I will be reverting the edit by Special:Contributions/202.8.117.237 regarding the piped link in the sentence:
This is an incorrect piped link since it links to the Apartheid wikipedia article. The Apartheid wikipedia article is specific to South Africa and is unrelated to the concept of varnas in Hinduism.
I am not debating whether the varna system in Hinduism was discriminatory or not, nor am I defending discriminating against or enslaving people based on their birth or any other specific debates about the merits or demerits of the varna system. 
I am open minded to the idea of "Indian apartheid" and also a possible wikipedia article on apartheid in the Indian context. However the current Apartheid article is about South Africa and my revert is purely based on the fact that a link to an article specific to South Africa is factually incorrect and irrelevant to Namasudras. 
I request we do not get into an edit war over this and that we discuss any disagreements here in this talk page before any further reverts or undos. 
Thanks,
Kvwiki1234 (talk) 07:41, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  four-tier ritual varna system link to Apartheid