Talk:History of Central Asia

message: See http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=wq.essay&essay_id=545818 for an in-depth article of the intellectual flowering of Central Asia around the end of the first millennium. According to S. Frederick Starr, chairman of the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies, Ibn Sina (Avicenna), Abu Rayhan Biruni and others lived in Central Asia between 800 and 1100 CE, took the thoughts of the Greeks, Indians, and others and advanced the evolution of what we now call Western thought.   If Starr is incorrect, this error of mainstream thought should be rebutted in this encyclopedia entry.  If he is correct, this article leaves out a critically pertinent aspect of this geographical area. Drienstra (talk) 19:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While you could debate some details and the section on causes, the basics of Starr's article are accurate. As you can see from the comments below, there's a lot that this article is lacking. If you can, please help improve it. Otebig (talk) 23:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Golden Age of Central Asia?   Left out or did not occur?

message: How did this become a featured article with no mention of everyone's favorite central Asian republic? —Keenan Pepper 00:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What, no mention of [[Tuva]]? 

message: "The aridness of the region made agriculture difficult and its distance from the sea cut it off from much trade." No. The two central facts in the prehistory of Central Asia, neither of them explored,  are the progressive desertification of the region since the Atlantic period, the Holocene climatic optimum of the 8th-6th millennium, and the early existence of the string of oases that came to be known as the Silk Road. The rest of the history revolves around these features. Sea trade routes are by comparison a late development, even later than the domestication of the camel.--Wetman 02:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing: progressive desertification and the Silk Road 

message: This is an odd statement.  Aren't there lots of historical non-horse nomads?  Like Native Americans?  205.175.123.113 03:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Native Americans mostly stayed in the same places.  Of course the Aztecs moved down from what is now the United States Southwest and invaded Mexico without the use of horses.  I saw the article on the home page today. Congratulations!  However.....I wonder if saying the horse nomads dominated the area for "millennia" gives the wrong impression.  How long was it?  Maybe 2 or 3,000 years?  "Millennia" then is literally true but I think it gives the reader the impression of a much longer time.  Keep up the good work.Steve Dufour 04:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Both historical and modern. Pastoralists were on foot millennia before a horse was first ridden. Only several millennia since.--Wetman 06:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Horses were the very important because my nomadic ancestors were fighting, travelling and even sleeping-resting on their horses. With respect, Deliogul 08:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horses (or chariots) gave rise to nomadism? 

message: I mean, None of the new republics could be considered functional democracies until 2005, when the Tulip Revolution in Kyrgyzstan caused the collapse of the government and the popular election of president Kurmanbek Bakiev. - do one really think force-setting one popular president makes country a functional democracy? 
Second error. In the twentieth century, nearly 55,000,000 Asians died in various communist famines or from famine-associated diseases tells us the article linking to http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM , which reads In total almost 55,000,000 people died in various communist famines and associated diseases, a little over 10,000,000 of them from democidal famine.
I would not discuss this strange number, but anyway - this is TOTAL number. And the most famine we're talking about took place in Ukraine and Povolzh'e (check articles about history of Soviet Union). Why did this number land in article about central asia?
Every time you bullshit in wikipedia SCG kills a kitten.
P.S. Yes, of course, and both this bullshit changes was added when page was already featured. By one anonymous coward: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Central_Asia&diff=72531642&oldid=72531396
and one user User:Hux
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Central_Asia&diff=72543953&oldid=72538495
Morals: make featured articles protected, they attract the wrong kind of editors.
User:Hux, do you really think force-setting one popular president guaranties the regular occurrence of free and open elections which are used to select representatives who then manage all or most of the public policy of the society? (Democracy)
Ilyak 06:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does the featured article contains clear bullshit? 

message: It seems this article could use some quality citation, but I'd rather not clog up an FA with  templates. --Davidstrauss 07:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four citations in a featured article? 

message: The whole article shows a lack of insight - the section headings confuse readers, the content is an amassment of data without any creativity and is remotely away from neutral, the See also section contains 10 "Histories" that can well be sorted into a single table, or a single section, e.g. see History of Africa. Forgive my rudeness, but there's over a million articles in Wikipedia and this one had to be chosen? I don't think anyone even bothered to read through it. Aran|heru|nar 13:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured? 

message: Which one meant in this article? Contrary to an obsolete postulation, there is no Ural-Altaic language group. Clarifer 14:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Uralic]] or [[Altaic]]? 

message: The map shown at the top of the page shows the Soviet definition (fine), a UNESCO definition (fine) and a "common" modern "definition" (says who?). Really, I can see little grounds for including the latter. If the grouping is used by anyone of consequence (I don't know, NATO, the US?) - then fine. If it's something the creator of the map assumed was "general knowledge" - I say scratch it.
I would have thought that the UNESCO area is a far more common roughly defined region as far as people in general are concerned. Besides, who are we considering? The entire world? The West? Europe and the US? English-speaking Wikipedia editors?
It seems like fluff to me.
zoney  ♣ talk 18:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "common modern definition" is the one that the Central Asian states proclaimed to be the correct one, and is the one used by most of the recent references . - SimonP 18:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then, "Common modern definition" should be changed to some other term to reflect the main force behind the definition. Of course, referring to the "Central Asian states" would be rather circular. zoney  ♣ talk 23:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: See Central Asia#Definitions. If there is PoV, it should be discussed in that article. Circeus 21:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the main problem with the map is that it's very misleading as-is: it implies that the Soviet definition comprised Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan and that the "common modern definition" comprises only Kazakhstan (ans also that the UNESCO definition doesn't comprise any of those states). As for the validity of the phrase, "common modern definition," I think we could do with something better. However, it is certainly true that in the current, political context, "Central Asia" refers to all five of the countries I mentioned. You can see this in all references to the region by the US government, for example, as well as the myriad NGOs that work in the area and, most importantly, the five countries themselves. I propose two things: 1) that the Soviet part be removed (since as far as I can see it's redundant), and 2) that the two shaded areas should be, say, "UNESCO regional definition" and "current political definition". -- Hux 11:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dodgy map 

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thread_title:  History of central asia 

message: In the lead image: Would I be silly if I said the Unesco definition colour in the key should show pink and brown as I presume both are included not just the pink area excluding the brown; or is so obvious that everyone would know and it's not bother bringing up. Or could we alter the text in the key so the colour box for brown reads the 2 definition not one?  Carlwev  10:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
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message: What state was the first nomadic state in the world? Xiongnu or Scythian state? :
"From the second half of the 8th century bce, the Cimmerians were replaced by the Scythians, who used iron implements. The Scythians created the first known typical Central Asian empire. The chief thrust of their expansion was directed against the south rather than the west, where no major power existed and which thus offered little chance for valuable booty. In the late 8th century bce, Cimmerian and Scythian troops fought against the Assyrian king Sargon II, and, at the end of the 6th century bce, conflict arose between the Scythians and the Achaemenian king Darius I." Pazkyle (talk) 09:46, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: The first nomadic state 

message: Translating the text into another language, I have found a sentence I simply don't understand (section "Soviet Central Asia"):
Similar processes occurred in Xinjiang and the rest of Western China where the PRC quickly established control from the Second East Turkestan Republic that controlled northern Xinjiang and the Republic of China forces that controlled southern Xinjiang after the Qing Dynasty.
Is this sentence even grammatically correct? What is the part with the Republic of China forces about? Should I read "Similar processes occured in ... the Republic of China forces that..."
or "... the PRC quickly established control from ... the Republic of China forces that...",
or should I leave out the "that" after "forces" ("... the PRC quickly established control from the 2nd ETR that controlled northern Xinjiang, and the Republic of China forces controlled southern Xinjiang...")
And in the following sentence: what are cotton cash crops? I mean, cash basically means money, doesn't it?
Sorry for disturbing. It may be simply that my English isn't good enough. I just wanted you to notice a sentence which at least isn't easily understandable.--KEO144000 (talk) 11:45, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean? 

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thread_title:  Ethnicities in [[Central Asia]] Maps 

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