Talk:Atlas Shrugged/Archive 1

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* Can link private property: ...are free, and that achievement is most highly rewarded when private property is strictly observed. She advocated [[laissez-faire capital... (link to section)
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Feedback: I like it, I hate it, Please don't link to — LinkBot 11:25, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest 9 possible wiki links and 1 possible backlink for [[Atlas Shrugged]]. 

message: I believe that the "Influence and Criticism" section has problems.
First, it looks a lot like an article copied from somewhere else. I'm not accusing the author of doing that, but that's what it looks like - it certainly doesn't read as "Wikipedia-like".
Second, it is, IMO, POV - the author seems to go out of his/her way to criticize the book, Rand and objectivism. I realize it is introduced as "a summary, representative but not exhaustive, of reasons readers have reacted in this negative, critical fashion.", but afterwards it changes its tone from "people have said" to "it is". After reading that section, someone who hasn't read the book will have the idea that it's rubbish and childish - which may be Anville's opinion, but it's not appropriate here. Dehumanizer 10:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This borders on editorial. Let's get rid of it as quick as we can. If some one wants to come back, shorten it, make it non-biased, and re-do it, they're encouraged to. 69.192.139.156 03:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence and Criticism 

message: What kind of sentence is this: "It was Rand's last work of fiction before going fully into philosophy, her tour de force, her most famous work, and most Objectivists hold it to be, objectively (as in factually) the greatest novel of all time". ??? Barbara Osgood 01:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Style

message: I've removed the "Other Works Cited" section. I couldn't see an obvious relation of the references to Atlas Shrugged, except that they mostly had a similar viewpoint. That seemed like a violation of NPOV. --Brian Brondel 05:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Other Works Cited 

message: This article might be improved, by an truly knowledgable Atlasphile (which I'm not), by listing various hardcover and softcover printings over the years and what some of the differences were (covers, pagination, forwards, errors, etc.)  For example, this 1996 discussion suggests that some paperback editions were printed with errors which altered the meaning of sentences and speculates about whether or not this was intentional. --Ds13 21:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different printings of the book, typos, etc. 

message: It's strange that for one of the best-selling and most often cited books of the last century, wikipedia editors can find only negative and strange reviews. It would be helpful if someone could add a section explaining the disconnect. Presumably something perverse explains the sales or the coverage.
69.17.21.242 17:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selection of reviews 

message: This article could do with a sec, clean purely-the-facts description of the book. Although the intro suggests it's great (I certainly was inclined to perhaps find a copy for a second), the section on the plot is filled with speculative issues, reflections of society, themes which the author might have intended, details which are contentuous. Really, the article should just have an easy structure: 
*Intro (Author, relevance and notability), 
*Plot (just the plot please!)
*Themes of the book (Philosophy, Objectivism, etc).
It is impossible to discuss this book without emphasing the themes and philosphies that go with the plot. This is the Objectivist manifesto and is considered the best book of all time from libertarians, despite the fact she has given speeches condemning libertarians. 
Obviously the author of this article knows a great deal about the book, and no doubt the book is notable enough to have a great article, but it should be structured much better. 
Cheers, The Minister of War (Peace) 12:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow 

message: The article Things in Atlas Shrugged is currently up for deletion here. Also, several other items within the :Category:Atlas Shrugged are also being scrutinized. 
We could use some help with people knowledgable on the topic, especially as the articles could use a rewrite, and certain items might need to be included in this article. 
Feel free to join the discussion!
Cheers, The Minister of War (Peace) 10:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The AfD was closed no consensus on the grounds that the majority votes were divided between merge and delete and delete. This seems, however, a clear consensus  that the article is unnecessary, although some items from it may belong here. I am putting in a redirect. Anything that needs to be salvaged can be found in the history. Septentrionalis 16:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Things in Atlas Shrugged]] 

message: I have condensed Companies in Atlas Shrugged, and am merging the result here. It looks like the result could become
*the general observations of companies, as they now are.
*another paragraph describing the companies
*A paragraph summarizing the corporate manoeuverings, somewhat shorter than the present notes.
*Possibly a table of companies, with the list of sections. 
But it might be possible to make it much shorter. Septentrionalis 17:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work! The Minister of War (Peace) 09:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Companies

message: re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Things in Atlas Shrugged results.
The general consensus seems to be that all these Atlas Shrugged baby pages do not belong on Wikipedia.  That is not to say their content is necessarily bad, but rather that they are too free-floating.  Most of these pages had content that could be cetegorized three ways: literary analysis; excessive plot summary or lists of incidents and references; character information.  I have gone through technologies, topics, and concepts in Atlas shrugged and merged Character info to the Characters in Atlas Shrugged page, which I think we should keep.  I have merged analysis and the fictional technologies to this article.  The rest of the references are best at home in the Wikibooks section (where they are now).  If you do not agree with my edits, please correct them DO NOT REVERT because I also removed a lot of dead-links that went to pages redirecting readers to the wikibooks page.  Avraham 01:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure that most of Characters is encyclopedic. Septentrionalis 21:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging-per results of Vfd

message: This page once had numerous subpages, each covering one location, character, object, and so on; an early experiment in wikibooking. These appear to have been merged into several collective articles, of which some are now redirects, some are at Wikibooks:Atlas Shrugged, and some are in :Category:Atlas Shrugged. Since the merger appears to have been dome before December 2003, the edit history of these subpages is probably lost; the more recent history can be found with the articles in the places cited. Septentrionalis 21:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GFDL notice