Talk:Godzilla/Archive 1

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GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH and the HEISEI TIMELINE 
Author: Keith Aiken, SciFi Japan http://www.scifijapan.com/ 
Kazuki Omori is a very sloppy writer, but GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH does fit within the Heisei timeline without ruining or contradicting the other films. Just saying the movie is not part of continuity or that it erases the events in GODZILLA 1985 and BIOLLANTE may be easy, but it's not accurate according to Toho. Since they make and own these movies it's their call. With a little effort, seeing how the pieces fit together is not too hard. 
There are a few things the viewer needs to keep in mind regarding the Heisei films: 
1. Toho says the timeline included G54 and G85-to DESTOROYAH. That's it, no adding or cutting of movies. 
2. A good explanation should not contradict anything shown in any of those movies. 
3. The viewer should add as little guesswork to the story as possible. Any explanation that requires a lot of fan-created events never shown onscreen is junk IMO. 
Combining sloppy writing and time travel is just asking for problems, but if you follow the 3 'rules' above the Heisei Godzilla timeline goes like this: 
GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH picks up with Godzilla still weakened by the ANB virus from GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE. During the military conference early in GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH Miki states that Godzilla is so weak he hasn't moved from his resting place in the Sea of Japan in nearly 3 years. 
The Futurians appear in 1992. They have a book written by reporter Kenichiro Terasawa that theorizes that Godzilla was created from a dinosaur that was discovered on Lagos Island during WWII. The Futurians say that their own analysis shows a 90% chance the Terasawa is right. Two things contradict that; Yamane's theory behind G54 in the original GODZILLA (which was conceived by Godzilla’s creators Ishiro Honda and Tomoyuki Tanaka with writer Takeo Murata), and the events in DESTOROYAH (also written by Omori, the writer/director of GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH) that prove the 54 and 84-95 Godzillas are two different beasts. If the Lagos dinosaur was G54, then preventing its transformation into Godzilla would have zero effect on G84. The Futurians’ plan is flawed from the start. 
The Futurians say that Godzilla will soon revive and attack nuclear power plants, causing fallout that will make Japan uninhabitable for centuries. Emi later tells Terasawa that this is a lie; in her time Godzilla had never recovered from the ANB. For all intents and purposes he was beaten. The Futurians real plan was to take over Japan before it could become the most powerful nation on earth. 
The group travels back in time to 1944. Miki senses that the dinosaur is Godzilla, but she has never met the 1954 Godzilla. Of course she recognizes it as the Godzilla she encountered in GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE. 
The wounded dinosaur is teleported to the Bering Sea in 1944. It is NOT transported thru time as many people incorrectly assume. 
The group returns to 1992 to find things are exactly the same as when they left, and everyone still remembers Godzilla (you think that would be a tip off). Futurian leader Wilson receives a report from the Japanese Self Defense Force that Godzilla is no longer in the Sea of Japan (you think he'd bother to check for himself, but he doesn't). This is easily explained; Godzilla simply moved. In Omori's GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE the JSDF cannot track Godzilla when he is moving underwater. This was shown at the mid-point of that film; watch the scene where they expected Godzilla to attack Tokyo and were caught completely off-guard when he surfaced near Osaka instead. 
The Futurians betray everyone, and Shindo's nuclear sub heads to the Bering to attempt to recreate Godzilla from the dinosaur. 
Miki senses Godzilla (not the dinosaur) moving slowly in the Bering Sea, which further proves Godzilla was not removed from history. This surprises Terasawa, so he does some research and finds a newspaper report on a nuclear submarine that sank in the Bering Sea in the 1970s. This nuclear accident is what mutated the dinosaur into the 84 Godzilla; by moving the dinosaur the Futurians didn't “uncreate” G54, they aided the creation of G84. This is confirmed when Shindo's sub doesn't find the dinosaur, but an ANB-weakened Godzilla instead. Godzilla absorbs the sub's nuclear energy, which burns off the ANB infection and increases Godzilla's size to 100 meters. 
Everything else is in the film pretty clear, I think. 
The Heisei Series timeline goes like this: 
1944: Dinosaur moved to Bering Sea. 
March 1954: Bikini H Bomb test. 
1954: The H Bomb tests mutate an amphibious creature into the first Godzilla (50 meters tall), and destroy its undersea environment. This leads to the events shown in the original GODZILLA; when the first Godzilla attacks Japan and is killed by the Oxygen Destroyer. 
Late 1970s: Nuclear sub accident in Bering Sea creates 2nd Godzilla (80 meters tall) from dinosaur (proof: newspaper headline in GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH) 
1984: Events in GODZILLA 1985. 2nd Godzilla attacks Japan and is dumped into volcano at Mt Mihara. 
1990: Events in GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE. Godzilla is infected by ANB. 
1992: Events in GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH. 
1993-1994: GODZILLA AND MOTHRA, GODZILLA VS MECHAGODZILLA II 
1995: GODZILLA VS SPACE GODZILLA refers to events in BIOLLANTE, proving that film is still part of the timeline. 
1996: GODZILLA VS DESTOROYAH refers to events in the original GODZILLA, and states clearly that the original and Hesiei Godzillas are not the same monster. 
This by no means a perfect explanation, but it answers most of the questions and should clear up some of the confusion. User:Dark-Hyena 02:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The TRUTH of the Heisei timeline paradox

message: Godzilla in popular culture is a big topic that could use some discussion. I've heard that it's illegal to yell "Godzilla!" in Tokyo I assume because of annoying tourists. Another topic that's talked on shortly is Toho's efforts  to keep their desired image of Godzilla. I remember reading an article in Nintendo Power with the creators of one of the video games on how Toho made them keep the image of Godzilla, IE destroying buildings but not squishing people.
Oh really? In the Dark Horse comic book series Godzilla did stomp on and squish people. They even went so far as to have Godzilla's maw drenched in blood on the cover of Godzilla King of the Monsters #1 (the one that introduces Cybersaur who was based off of Mechagodzilla. I only say this because it was the first of a second series of comics produced by Dark Horse).Looks like Toho couldn't convince them to keep Gojira's image. And quite often the Godzilla suits would be disguised and used for the "Ultra Q" and "Ultraman" series, being passed off as new monsters. Two examples include, Gomess and Jiras.-Tim: staff member of the Godzilla Tower Fan Site.
* Godzilla never stepped on anyone human in the series, but he did step on some large aliens and bodyslam others.  As for the blood from Godzilla's mouth, that was his own blood not anyone else's. --Anguirus111 00:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Possible Topics 

message: in the first movie it was clearly stated that Godzilla was over 400 hundred feet tall.
That's what the Americanised version (King of the Monsters) says. In the original Gojira Dr Yamane estimates the height at 50 meters. The original takes precedence.SMegatron 20:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla's size 

message: Should the American Godzilla be under the list of movies?  In the film Godzilla: Final Wars the American Godzilla is referred as ジラ (Zilla in English). Zntrip 17:05, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla 1998 

message: a little ad here: Gruler started a Godzilla wikicity (site, info). The site is bare. Any Godzilla fan wanna add content there?—Dwx 10:05, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla Wikicity 

message: You know what this Article REALLY needs? A Timeline. Because for every movie, We all known WHERE It happens but we don't know WHEN it happens. Know what I mean? --Arima 06:23, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie Timeline 

message: --I'm in total agreement with Crazilla. The stock monsters listing is pointless, and so is listing Volcano Monsters. Also, we are using OFFICIAL film and monster names here. If you do not know what these are, then why change them? TohoKingdom.com is generally a good source for official names. As is the Official Godzilla Compendium.--
(Just removed my previous comment, which was silly.) Most blatantly, the "Stock monsters" column in the filmography table just doesn't belong in the main "Godzilla" article. (Passing mention might be made in the Shōwa Series discussion, but no more.) "Special effects director" might be a more appropriate extra column, since they hold nearly as much responsibility and prestige for tokusatsu films as Directors, and are especially pertinent to an article whose subject is a kaiju, rather than an actor.
Also, while it seems fair to differentiate Godzilla (1998 film) and Godzilla 3D to the MAX from the Toho-produced films, i see no reason to include The Volcano Monsters, or any other failed project for that matter, be it the nearly-filmed Godzilla vs. The Devil, the Hollywood attempt Godzilla 3D, or the fabled Star Godzilla.—Crazilla 06:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography issues 

message: Thats a classic.
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If you're asking why Smog Monster isn't in the filmography, the reason is that Toho's official English title for it is Godzilla vs. Hedorah (which is indeed there). If you're just asking how to obtain a copy (in which case return this heading to the level you gave it), it's part of a new slew of tokusatsu releases on DVD; try Barnes & Noble.
on amazon.com, you can find it other either name, however as smog monster it is more difficult to find then as vs hedorah214.13.212.26 18:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster? 

message: How many Godzilla parodies are there?! There's like a gazillion of them! --Mr. Kool 20:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be quite impossible to list them all. Scorpionman 02:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla Parodies 

message: Who would win in a fight between Godzilla and King Kong? I think Godzilla would win. --Mr. Kool 20:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Easily. Godzilla would just have to use his fire-breath and fry Kong! But I'd root for Kong since he is an American monster. Scorpionman 02:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla Vs King Kong 

message: There have been some really silly edits recently in the Filmography table, including the renumbering of all the films to exclude the 1998 Godzilla and the duplication of Godzilla: Final Wars as both a 2004 and 2005 film.  In addition to reverting these changes, I think that the clarification of "Official Toho Title" and "Original US Title" will help those who are looking for the US cinematic titles.  We could get into the original Japanese cinematic titles, but for the sake of simplicity and ease of reference, I think the official Toho titles are good enough (eg: Terror of MechaGodzilla instead of Counterattack of MechaGodzilla and so on). The Lizard 20:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography maintenance continues 

message: Early in the article, we have the text 'Gojira's name was "originally" spelled in katakana (呉爾羅).' But the parenthetical text is not katakana, it's ateji, that is, kanji used without regard for their meaning, to take the place of kana. So which is it? Context suggests that his name was originally written in ateji ("spelled" is not the right word, no matter what), but right now, this section is self-contradicting. Because I don't know which is correct, I am hesitant to change the article, and want to throw this open on the talk page. adamrice 14:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "spelled in katakana" 

message: Due to unofficial opinionated information. For example Godzilla 2000's 'Super Nova'. NO SUCH THING EXISTS.
I found similar things in several areas, and information on the change in style of the Showa films was quite inaccurate according to Toho-approved TV shows, other fans and my own opinion.
Please keep this thing pure and faithful.
(The Elfoid 17:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I made several big changes 

message: Now stop me if this has already been started or chime in if you know what I’m getting at.
 
My suggestion would be to split the article in two. Basically take out everything from this article but the Powers section and put it into a Godzilla Series article. In the series article would detail the cultural significance of movies and other productions. It could also act as a hub for all the movie articles (e.i. the filmography) and link to the other related Godzilla articles like the character pages.
The Godzilla article then could focus more on the character and all his different incarnations such as the differences between the vs. series, millennium series, and all the others. The Power section could then be split up and accurately describe the powers of the specific version of Godzilla instead of attempting to explain what series the powers and details relates to after the fact. 
I would also like to suggest that we impose a template for the related monster pages like the ones found in the comic book character pages and similar pages. This could then set a standard for all other Kaiju Films articles like Gamera, Rodan, and Mothra. I noticed there isn’t a Kaiju Film article so it would be advantageous if one was made that work like a hum for all Kaiju Films series like Godzilla and so forth. 
Now I most of times in the past I'm told to "go do then" and frankly I want to do just that but I do not want to step on anyone’s feet in doing so. If there are any objections or suggestions then please post them. I’m going to wait a few days before I start anything. 
DyslexicDan 22:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been done before e.g. in Friday the 13th (film series) and related pages or A Nightmare on Elm Street (series) and related pages, so there should be no problem. You could also draw some inspiration from the series articles on those franchises AdamSmithee 07:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t see this being to difficult as all the movies have already been organized and many related monster movies already have a separate article for the character and movies. All Toho related monsters have already been save for Godzilla from some reason. I’m going to do more research on what is currently being done before I mess with anything. See if any series have been done already like the Toho content. It looks like all I’m going to have to do is clean up the current articles and expand on what is already here. This takes a bit of weight off of me as now I know I don’t have to create anything new but rather edit some of the neglected content. I'm still going to make Kaiju Films page and change the Daikaiju link on the Tokusatsu which redirects to a definition of kaiju rather then to a Kaiju Films page (which at the moment doesn't exist). I need to make to note that its a Tokusatsu Subgenre. DyslexicDan 19:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a better out line of  the plans I intend to implement on my  user page. It’s a rough draft so far and I do intended to change and adapt it as necessary. Feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you comment on anything I’m doing. --DyslexicDan 04:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to split up the Godzilla article 

message: I would like to note that my intended plans on making a Godzilla Film Series article from a lot of the content current in this article would fix the current preferred file size problem. We wouldn’t have to cut back on any of the information but instead would just be placing it some ware else more appropriate for it. I would hate to see any of the information lost because what we have is really great. We just need to orginize it better. --DyslexicDan 04:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  42 kilobytes preferred file limit 

message: All the content that has been cut out of this article is now in the Godzilla (film series) page. This page now can focus on Godzilla the character and his relevance in media he appears in. All the real world, cultural, and similar information can now be directed to the film series page. --DyslexicDan 00:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This was the start of series of what will hopefully be improvements. Because of the scope of what I plan on doing I will only begin with this edit and see if it is accepted by the community before I even thing about doing anything else. --DyslexicDan 01:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Godzilla character page

message: Its been about two weeks sense I made the proposal to drastically change this article and now its done. It about 1000 words shorter (closer to 800) and vary little is repeated. Now there are sections for every incarnation of Godzilla so we are able to discuss the qualities each one. --DyslexicDan 19:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Major Change

message: I know that Kiryu himself was created from the bones of the original Godzilla and in a way is Godzilla, but Biolante and Space Godzilla are also related or clones if you will of him. Kiryu is really nothing more then a mechanized version of Godzilla's father in his two film appearances. If you’re going to include him then you may as well put Biolante and Space Godzilla if Kiryu is listed, but the details of those monsters belong on their respective pages.
:It’s my interpretation that Kiryu was more then just another mechagodzilla or a space Godzilla, but that he was the original Godzilla. I would like to have some other user to state their interpretation of Kiryu before we do anything. Its not like it is hurting anything with him being there for the time being. 
:Either way we probably should comment on Biolante and Space Godzilla because they should be at least mentioned and linked too.
:--DyslexicDan 19:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiryu's stats on the page 

message: Hi there. I edited the page recently( hope nobody minds) and I was wondering: is it possible to get pictures of all the various incarnations of Godzilla and place them next to the approprate bio? It would certainly look god, as well as giving newcomers an idea of the differences between them.SMegatron 18:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea but we would need to make sure we fallow the guildlines on Help:Image page. There is a lot of rules to fallow and I personally haven touched on anything about images yet.--DyslexicDan 19:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: The Godzilla in raids again was not the original monster from the first film. That was one was definetly killed. It was actually a separate creature. 
02:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Godzilla in raids again

message: Why does Toho Studios continue to use cheezy "suitmation" techniques when there are a host of things they could do with CGI? I mean, anybody could dress up in a rubber suit and stomp down a model city and call it "terrifying". And as for Rodan; a rather stupid-looking hand-puppet that didn't even flap its wings! It looked nothing like a real pteradon. Even the pteradon in King Kong, which was created by stop-motion was more realistic than Rodan! You know, it really surprises me that Godzilla's so popular. The films with good plots are really, really cheezy and the one with good special effects has one of the worst plots in the history of filmmaking. I think they should just give up on this. Scorpionman 14:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right that American Sci-Fi movies aren't always worth raving about, but you're only using B-movies as examples. Why don't you look at King Kong, Jurassic Park, War of the Worlds and a host of others? Snakes on a Plane is a piece of crap, I agree; they didn't have to generate the snakes. But that (combined with a couple of other really trashy films directed by horrible directors combined with bad acting and poor animating skills) isn't what defines a good CGI film. Now stop ranting against it, will ya?! BugEyedMonster 16:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't use Jesus' name like that. I find it highly irreverant and disrespectful (as do others, I'm sure). Scorpionman 00:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, they wouldn't have to give up actors portraying monsters if they switched to CGI (see motion capture for example), and they wouldn't have to only use it; they could do animatronics and suits where neccessary, but overall CGI would be a lot more realistic. I agree, computer-generated imagery isn't always as realistic as it is made out to be, but mostly this is because of cheap technology and poor directing. You don't have to generalize the whole thing like that. BugEyedMonster 16:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Special effects 

message: Someone removed the second possible origin of the name "Gojira", the one that (as I recall) head of production of Toho says is true.  This notion is repeated many times, though many believe it it be false.  But since it is such a prevelent theory, I think it should be included.  It's certainly a major part of the pop culture mythology of the big guy.  I don't have the references available to me right now, but I will check my Godzilla books soon.  I don't want to put the theory back in without a reference.  Also, I removed this "Gojira was originally conceived as a fire breathing ape creature" thing, as it cited no information, and, frankly, I have never ever heard that!  :)  The Shrike 19:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Origin 

message: Should we have a section about Cancelled Films or original versions of films that were completed? BlackMask 19:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cancelled Films section?

message: This article is in severe need of major copyediting. The tense is absolutely inconsistant throughout, and many sentences are extremely hard to follow. --Mal 10:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly the article had a copyedit tag at the top of the page a few months back. We thought we'd fixed it, but it just seems to have degenerated again.SMegatron 14:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: Is there any wiki info on DeBont's planned Godzilla film for the early 90s that was canned?  I've seen a few proposed production photos for it and there is of course the script that's out there.  I think it's one of the few cancelled Godzilla films that might be worthy of it's own article. --Anguirus111 01:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jan DeBont's Film 

message: How about a exhaustive and a simple detailed chronology of all of the Godzilla movies in order with perfect organization tables to them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Berniethomas68 03:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronology

message: Isn't it called Atomic Ray? 65.40.238.156 02:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atomic Breath? 

message: There are so many articles, shouldn't there be a WikiProject on this? Simply south 21:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big 

message: I have a few issues with this section.  I was looking for something like this because I was curious to know how the English spelling came about, since it is a very unintuitive romanization (the more standard spelling being "Gojira"), but it seems to contradict itself in places, and makes a few claims I'd like to see sources for.
Also, for a discussion of pronunciation, the language could be more precise, and the pronunciations should use the International Phonetic Alphabet, as recommended by the Wikipedia manual of style for pronunciation.  I have a basic understanding of IPA, phonetics and Japanese phonology, so I can help out with this last part, but it would be better to have a real expert's comments and contributions on all this.
Here's one example of what I am having trouble following:
"the correct pronunciation is Gojira (ゴジラ), as it was originally meant as the monster's name and has retained the exact writing form from era to era."
* I can't make any sense of this.  Is it saying the katakana representation when pronounced in a standard Japanese accent doesn't do justice to a word in the Oto Island people's language?  The section also gives an alternate kanji representation, so I'm not sure what this unchanging "exact writing form" is.  Further, the previous paragraph suggests that the expected Japanese pronunciation "gojira" is not actually what is uttered in the movie, so it seems strange to now say that it is correct.
Also, I would think the claim that Japanese romanization was much less sophisticated in the 1950s could be disputed. Most of the systems in use today had already been developed long before then, but I do not know how consistently they were used.  Does anyone have more information on this? -- Calcwatch 10:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla name pronunciation 

message: There were twenty-eight Godzilla films, each with a Godzilla that looked a little more different than before.
WHY OH WHY do we have two of the eight pictures that actually show Godzillas in his films solely feature the Final Wars Godzilla?
And on top of that, why are they both of such horrible quality?!
There wasn't any dire need to change the picture that was there beforehand, anyway, ESPECIALLY with a picture as blurry as the one that exists there now.
The original Godzilla, regardless of the personal opinions of anybody who reads this article, was the first and inarguably most important Godzilla incarnation to have ever existed. I don't know how to edit pictures on this website, but I would ask anybody who does to replace the current, poor-quality Final Wars screencap at the top of the article with a good quality image of the original Godzilla.
Thanks
24.15.88.107 04:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla Pictures!!!!!!!! 

message: Okay, I've made MANY edits to the existing article.
As it was, this whole thing seemed extremely juvenile and immaturely written. I've tried to fix quite a bit as far as grammar, FACTUAL ERROR, and word choice.
Before making future edits or additions, please create a discussion here in the talk page instead of going straight into editing the article.
139.67.201.157 04:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i just wanted to say that the revisions you made are excellent. nicely done. bunnyhero 00:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: This is looking better, but it appears difficult to maintain the Godzilla pages in general.  There seems to be an unfortunate combination of overly-technical adult fans and grammatically-challenged younger fans who can't grasp the concept of what constitutes an encyclopedic entry. The Lizard 22:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: This whole article still needs a lot of work.  In particular, the "incarnations" area is out of control.  Plot descriptions of movies are not needed here (they might belong in the Godzilla (film series) article), and detailing minor variations in Godzilla's apperance, powers, and origins are also out of place in an encyclopdia entry about the character.  This kind of information should be incorporated into the (film series) article, or spun off into it's own sub article.  O
cicat 01:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Fixer-Upper 

message: We should request to have this article protected from editing for all unregistered or new users. I dont know how though.
SG-17 05:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request To Protect 

message: I know this article already has problems with citing its references, and I expect this point would be rather low on the priority scale for inclusion, but I'm wondering where the information on his weight(s) come from. Were those numbers cited in different films, or are they estimates by the editors and therefore OR? Thanks. --Boradis 20:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weight 

message: The link http://outnow.ch/movies/2005/godzillafinalwars/img/movie.fs/03?w=1400&h=930&print=1
If anyone is logged in to wikipedia can anyone put it in wikipedia.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.168.108.52 (talk) 03:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bring Back Better Picture!!!!!! 

message: I know for a fact that besides the movies and TV series (and video games) Godzilla made appearances in comic books at least. Luis Dantas 15:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't we include a more rounded "other media" section?

message: Godzilla has made *so* many cameos in popular culture and this article is quite bloated as it is. Perhaps we should turn that into a seperate article?
K00bine 08:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearences in Popular Culture 

message: The producers of Atari have contacted Toho and they said they prefer Godzilla to be a it.
But they don't mind a few "He's" here in there.
Can we somehow include this? Angry Sun 20:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla having Gender 

message: What caused Godzilla's mutation?
Apparently, according to the 1954 film, it was experimental "H-bombs" dropped in the pacific during WWII. This is innaccurate, as H-Bombs were first manufactured during the early stages of the Cold War in the 1950's, years after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (which were destroyed by A-bombs). Godzilla vs King Ghidorah confirms that Goji's mutation occurred in the mid 40's, when A-bombs were the pinnacle of nuclear weaponry. If you read the article on the original film it reads; The sediment from the monster, which Yamane named “Godzilla,” after the Odo Island god, had contained a massive amount of Strontium-90, which could have only have come from an atomic bomb. Personally, I think the writers didnt know at the time that H and A bombs were two different things. 129.12.230.169 18:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-bombs or H-bombs? 

message: Why, may I ask, was my section discussing the 1998 American remake removed? I think it's perfectly relevant to the article, as it is part of the Godzilla franchise! Scorpionman 01:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TriStar 

message: I took the liberty of splitting the powers and abilities of Godzilla from Godzilla. I thought that having the powers and abilities in godzilla's article was unneccesary, so I gave godzilla's powers and abilities a seperate article. - The one who wrote this. 00:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  split 

message: http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3168/pdvd005ku7.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4839/pdvd007oh8.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6167/pdvd008zb5.jpg
Some pics for the future G-force article Dark hyena
If there's gonna be one... Angry Sun 17:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just storing some pics 

message: Here is my logic. A major enemy must be;
A) Popular
B) Have fought Godzilla more than twice (a one off must be for a very good reason)
C) Must have affected Godzilla's career in some epic or personal way
Enemies like Titanosaurus, King Caesar, Orga and EBIRAH (wtf??) simply do not make the cut. They hardly had any affect on Godzilla's career, didn't prove exactly challenging, and only fought Godzilla 1-2 times.
Destroyah, though he only fought Godzilla once, makes the cut because he made the fight personal by killing Godzilla's only family. 83.100.132.62 09:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for Major enemies 

message: Just a thought. 83.100.132.62 18:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's really not my point (even though I agree that Minilla and G Jr. shouldn't be included under allies). I'm talking about limiting the excess of enemies/allies in the info box.  Debating who gets to be in there can be done later.  AS, do you think listing every single ally and enemy Godzilla has ever had is silly? Just curious --Blackbox77 17:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

text: AS, I'm flattered you took my advice even though I said don't do it. ;) Actually, I agree - a separate space in the article dedicated to allies and enemies sounds far more interesting.  Maybe limit the number of each that appear in the infobox and a greater list elsewhere in the article. And it wouldn't make the beginning of Godzilla's article look messy and cluttered.  Maybe do that? --Blackbox77 17:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, the main article (discussing each iteration of Godzilla) already details who he allied and fought with.  That information along with the Toho Tokusatsu template already lists out all the monsters.  A third gigantic list might just be excess. --Blackbox77 18:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox too long? 

message: Who keeps taking out the powers and abilities for the main article? The main article is about Godzilla the character himself so it makes sense to keep that section in there. I think the way the article was restructed was done badly. There was a lot of extraneous stuff that could have been included in subarticles like the film series article or Godzilla in popular culture article. This new version seems to focus on these things and barely talks about Godzilla at all. Instead of a long list of movies followed by a synopsis of each movie, why not create a fictional biography of Godzilla for each era?
Because there was one...
What did you do to it? The last version was perfect. :| Angry Sun 04:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character description 

message: As a fictional creation, you can't assume that Godzilla's biology matches the biology of other water-living creatures.  And since none of the films has ever explained how Godzilla manages to live underwater, I think the article should only state that Godzilla has the ability to live underwater without guessing how he manages to do so.  --66.31.159.229 03:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Living underwater 

message: Which WikiNazi removed my addition of *flight* from Godzillas powers? More people would search a Godzilla Wiki to find out the rare and unusual fun facts than to find the obvious (he's big and has atomic breath). Whoever did it needs to dust off Godzilla vs. Smogmonster and give it a spin ASAP. In the meantime put my contribution back so not to embarrass yourself and to have this already flawed wiki be as complete and accurate as possible. Unbelievable. Cadillacula 09:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flight 

message: Who keeps changing godzilla's species from Godzillasaurus to Tyrannosaurus it is never said in any of the movies that he was. Also he was only from a Godzillasaurus in the Heisei series and it was never determined what he was in the Showa or Millennium series so I do think we need to mention that
It's probably just n00bs who think he's a T-Rex crossed with a Stegosaurus... Angry Sun 03:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species 

message: Dictionary definition of brother/sister; a male/female offspring having both parents in common with another offspring; a male/female sibling.
Were Bio and Space-G born from the same parents as Godzilla? No. 
Biollante was created by artificially merging Godzilla's own cells with a rose; therefore, she is a CLONE. SpaceGodzilla was a regenerated form of Biollante with the plant parts filtered out and replaced with crystal. He is a clone as well. So enough with the brother, sister BS. 87.102.38.60 21:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biollante and SpaceGodzilla are NOT Godzillas siblings 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:King vs. king.jpg

message: I noticed that the article is categorized in fictional martial artists. Is Godzilla really a martial artist? Just wondering, as he never struck me as a sensei; he's more like a giant mutated lizard. Master of Puppets Care to share? 03:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla knows kung fu? 

message: I did not find out Godzilla's intelligence from this article. He seems to grow smarter from film to film, I want to know the reason of this. Perhaps on going atomic effect in his brain?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 16:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Godzilla's IQ?