Talk:Grey Ranks

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:Polish "harcerz" means "scout". "ZHP" - "Związek Harcerstwa Polskiego" means "Polish Scouting Association". It seams to me that the Scout Movement in the West was a bit harder characterized by religious and for personal development, and harcerstwo is typically patriotic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.184.121.129 (talk) 13:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  I can't read polish but some (if not all) of these fighters are scouts 

message: The additional oath line was wrongly translated (I pledge to you that I shall serve with the "Szare Szeregi", I shall keep the secrets of the organisation, obey the orders and wouldn't back off sacrifying my own life).
In oryginal (Ślubuję na Twoje ręce pełnić służbę w Szarych Szeregach, tajemnic organizacyjnych dochować, do rozkazów służbowych się stosować, nie cofnąć się przed ofiarą życia) they vow to be ready for self-sacrifice...
Please change it, if you can.
:Fixed it. Rlevse 11:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake! 

message: External jumps need to be converted to cite format. Rlevse 12:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attention tag

message: I don't want to change anything without discussion, but there are some serious issues concerning translation of Polish scouting terms or even
some ideas.
Specifically:
* Dziś, jutro, pojutrze indeed means "Today, tomorrow, the day after", but precise idea behind that is: Today we prepare for future fight (conspiration); Tomorrow we fight for freedom (open fight); The day after we rebuild our country. These were more than just ideas, that was whole training program implemented for all scouts (age-dependently).
* chorągiew, hufiec, drużyna: these terms lack a reference - this is official nomenclature of ZHP (and most of scout organizations in Poland till today):
** chorągiew - meaning rather "standart" than flag (historically: a squadron of cavalry), ZHP organizational unit containing 10-20 units of the hufiec. A chorągiew typically covered an area of a voivodship.
** hufiec - "regiment", containing 10-20 of drużyna, covered an area of small town or a big city district
** drużyna - "troop", "team", basic scout unit consisting of 15-30 members
** zastęp - a small division of drużyna, 5-10 scouts
SzSz units:
* There was separate codename for the headquarters: Pasieka (apiary)
* Ul => (bee)hive, rój => swarm
* Zastęp => pszczoła (a bee), not bees
These codenames were rarely used in further practice apart from Pasieka and Ul.
* In the "Structure" section English term "banner" is used without explanation or reference. "Chorągiew" should be appropriate here or, if we must translate, we should do it consistently and put "banner" or "standart" everywhere
I think this article needs a serious rewrite.
Rudzielec 14:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation issues

message: This article is not up to B-class standards for WP:POLAND. To start with: little if any inline referencing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 06:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
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message: It's been an uncited content fork for 8 years, it's time to merge it back here--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: Someone has replaced the term "apiary" (for the Polish pasieka) with "bee yard".  According to Wiktionary, "apiary" is the principal term for what my Webster's dictionary defines as "apiary", from apis (Latin for "bee"):  "a place where bees are kept for their honey:  it generally consists of a number of hives."
My Webster's does not even list "bee yard" as a synonym for "apiary".
I propose we go back to rendering the Polish pasieka by "apiary".
Thank you.
Nihil novi (talk) 21:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Apiary]] 

message: This was moved per a request at WP:RM/TR based on an informal discussion (permalink), saved below:  ASUKITE 17:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The requested target, Grey Ranks, is a disambig page. This may require moving that disambig page too, and/or renaming the article about the paramilitary unit. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS)  13:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that disambig page should be moved to Grey Ranks (disambiguation) Marcelus (talk) 13:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried that and it didn't work for some reason, so I figured I'd bring it up here before I messed something up even worse. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS)  13:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This likely merits a fuller discussion. Note that the article was created with the title Szare Szeregi which was moved to 'Grey Ranks' 15-Jul-2007 and was quickly moved back on 17-Jul-2007. It was then moved to 'Gray Ranks' on 9-Jul-2009 where is has resided since. I do not see any discussion for any of the prior moves. older ≠ wiser 14:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Much as I prefer British spelling myself, I'm not convinced this move can be regarded as Uncontroversial. MOS:RETAIN is fairly clear that we don't change English varieties, unless there's some overwhelming reason to do so, or clear ties to a particular location where a particular variety of English is spoken. In this case, being a Polish topic, it doesn't particularly have ties to any English-speaking locale (unless one takes the view that the whole of Europe is under the UK umbrella, but I don't think that's something that's ever been agreed). As for the  Redirect, I have retargeted that now, the disambiguation page isn't really needed any more as there is only one other topic and WP:TWODABS applies. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE - actually, on further inspection I see that the oldest version of this article (which was titled in Polish, as noted by  above) was written in British English, with the term "Grey Ranks" used as well as other British spellings. As such, I've changed my mind and I think this move should go ahead - MOS:RETAIN says we use the earliest stable version where there's doubt about which variant is active. Not sure an RM is really needed, unless anyone actively thinks we should return to the Polish name for this?  — Amakuru (talk) 15:09, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have strong feelings about the title. I only suggest some record of a discussion be kept on the talk page to show whatever title is selected was not just some random idea to change the title. older ≠ wiser 16:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move (Gray Ranks -> Grey Ranks)