Talk:History of Myanmar

message: Pre-history of Burma
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While the chronicles of Burma clearly speak of pre-Buddhist Indian political influence on Burma and while such politico-culturo-religious influence has been seen in each every modern day country of South East Asia, it is travesty that there is no effort to research or even mention this in the pre-historic section. South East Asia was extensively influenced by the Hindu kingdoms of India before the original peoples were over-run by peoples coming in from other places ( Sino-Tibetan). The result of this intermixing and peopling resulted in not only displacement of the original civilisations but also decimated culturo-religious traditions and political chronicling. 
Greater effort must be put to investigate and properly mention pre-history before such "peopling" of the region, especially when the Hindu Indic influence is present for all to see everywhere, right from the name of the biggest river Airawaddy, along whose banks the majestic Burmese elephants were found and became famous. That's the reason why the river was named after Indra's elephant. This is commonsense and so clear, yet nowhere to be found in any "authoritative source" written by Europeans of course.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheOnlyEmperor (talk • contribs) 11:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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message: While the chronicles of Burma clearly speak of pre-Buddhist Indian political influence on Burma and while such politico-culturo-religious influence has been seen in each every modern day country of South East Asia, it is travesty that there is no effort to research or even mention this in the pre-historic section. South East Asia was extensively influenced by the Hindu kingdoms of India before the original peoples were over-run by peoples coming in from other places ( Sino-Tibetan). The result of this intermixing and peopling resulted in not only displacement of the original civilisations but also decimated culturo-religious traditions and political chronicling. 
Greater effort must be put to investigate and properly mention pre-history before such "peopling" of the region, especially when the Hindu Indic influence is present for all to see everywhere, right from the name of the biggest river Airawaddy, along whose banks the majestic Burmese elephants were found and became famous. That's the reason why the river was named after Indra's elephant. This is commonsense and so clear, yet nowhere to be found in any "authoritative source" written by Europeans of course.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheOnlyEmperor (talk • contribs) 11:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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message: Seems like History is always the victor's... now that the ex-colonies have gained independence, they get to write their own version of history that was formerly written by the colonial powers.
Let's restore some factual statements and leave the propaganda aside.
 
reply:   You could start with giving us a piece that you feel is biased. From that point we could evaluate        the evidence and make changes accordingly. I completely understand your initial point and do not mean to reduce it; however, let's be specific. The ball's in your court.richardtgreer (talk) 06:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hear, hear! Wagaung (talk) 07:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverse bias 

message: The last paragraph in the "World War II and Japan" section of the artcle, says the following:
In March 1945, the Burma National Army rose up in a countrywide rebellion against the Japanese. Afterward, Aung San and others began negotiations with Lord Mountbatten in October 1943 and officially joined the Allies as the Patriotic Burmese Forces or PBF.
Either there needs to be some reordering of events or somebody needs to check the dates.  I'd do it myself, but I'm not a Burmese history buff (yet) and currently do not have the time to look up the dates/order of events myself.  Matatigre36 07:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made the correction. The October 1943 date refers to the earliest contact between the AFO/AFPFL and the British. The date was left in as a fragment from successive rewrites of the paragraph. 168.127.0.51 16:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem with dates and/or ordering of events

message: I've published three papers on early modern Burmese history (c. 1350-1600). I'm adding the most essential information from what most historians accept as authoritative sources for this period like the late Dr. U Than Tun, Dr. Yi Yi, U San Lwin, Dr. Sunait Chutintaranond of Chulalongkorn university, U Tun Aung Chain of the Burma Historical Commission, U Thaw Kaung of the national library, professor Victor Lieberman of University of Michigan, Dr. Charney of University of London, Mon scholars Nai Pan Hla and Halliday, Emmanuel Guillon, etc. I'm starting with timelines like those found for the Tudor dynasty in England. I will provide citations and references. I am a writer for the Bangkok Post newspaper in Thailand.
The strategy I have decided to take is to leave the page intact and add specific biographical and dynastic entries which I will write providing thorough citations for all information. It will be easier to separate out exactly what I added in this case Jonfernquest 05:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding information from authoratative sources with citations 

message: I have extracted everything from History of Myanmar and summarised it on the "History of Myanmar" section in the Myanmar article. If any citations, clarifications, or corrections are made, can any editor please do so on the Myanmar article? Thanks. Hintha 23:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Myanmar]] 

message: I am proposing the merger of multiple articles into Burmese Kingdom-it's a horrible article, but the bulk of the others are stubs, and it is a good place to grow them from, and catch information for the uninformed reader who doesn't know where to look. The only reason I suggest _any_ of these merges are there are so many little stubs, a larger more inclusive article would be better. Chris 18:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Related merge

message: Why is "race" used in the first sentence?  Even if race were real, and its not in humans, the region was populated with "peoples" or "ethnic groups" or migrants.  Mulp 05:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Races?? 

message: Why in the first section of this article is it stated that Viet Nam borders Burma? Can we agree to remove Viet Nam from that sentence? Or, perhaps the author can express better his/her meaning of neighbor?--richardtgreer (talk) 17:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't say Vietnam borders Burma, just included in the neighbouring countries which it is since there is only the northernmost stretch of Laos in between. Wagaung (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnam borders Burma? 

message: Can someone just clarify in the article if the Pyu kingdoms were from China and if the section on Pyu being the first civilization holds true seeing as the paragraph above it cleary contradicts it being such.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.14.210 (talk) 15:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

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thread_title:  Helpful study guide 

message: To the users (or sock puppets) who've been making repeated edits, saying that Naresuan conquered Toungoo. What's taught in Thai school books notwithstanding, the fact is that Naresuan laid siege to Toungoo in 1600 for about a month (April to May) but he was driven back by the combined Toungoo and Arakanese forces. This is an accepted fact, not just by historians on Burma but also by historians of Thai and Southeast Asian history, including David Wyatt, perhaps the most prominent academic on Thai history. I'm not aware of any English language books by historians of any nationality that claim otherwise. (Find a modern Thai historian who has written in a peer-reviewed paper that Naresuan conquered Toungoo.) Yes, you've cited Prince Damrong's book, which has an English language translation by a Burmese man. No offense but that book is not a history book; it's a highly nationalist account written by a Siamese prince with an ax to grind that took a lot of liberties with facts. I understand Damrong's version is what's in Thai school books. Have you given thought that not everything you see in schoolbooks may not be true? I request that you consult other sources too.
Till then, I'm going to revert the changes you've made in all other articles, and I'll have to report the incident.Hybernator (talk) 00:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Naresuan's alleged conquest of Toungoo

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message: Currently the article says, "About 1500 BCE, people in the region were turning copper into bronze, growing rice, and domesticating chickens and pigs; they were among the first people in the world to do so." Which of these is it they were among the first to do based on this activity in 1500 BCE? Not make bronze, which had been going on for some 2,000 years by that time. Not domesticate pigs, which had been done for some 7,000 years by this time. Not domesticate chickens, which had been done for some 4,000 years by this time. Not grow rice, which goes back at least 7,000 years, and likely more, before this time. So is this sentence simply ludicrous or just badly written. It is true that one of the places chickens were first domesticated was Southeast Asia (as well as India), though much earlier. So perhaps the article was merely stating that all of these activities were ongoing by 1500 BCE in the region of Myanmar and chicken domestication had actually been adopted there much earlier than anywhere else. If that's all that was meant, it's not clear what the significance of 1500 BCE was; it seems like an arbitrary date. In any case, the section needs revision. Ftjrwrites (talk) 02:30, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: The source used in last sentence of this section does not make any sense. Marx died two year before the event. Mootros (talk) 15:00, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: Please make this change?:
Last part of WWII section:
'Ba Maw was afterwards declared head of state, and his cabinet included both Aung San as War Minister and the Communist leader Thakin Than Tun as Minister of Land and Agriculture as well as the Socialist leaders Thakins Nu and Mya. When the Japanese declared Burma, in theory, independent in 1943, the Burma Defence Army (BDA) was renamed the Burma National Army (BNA).[36]'
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'Ba Maw was afterwards declared head of state. Aung San was made War Minister, and notably the cabinet also included the Communist leader Thakin Than Tun (Minister of Land and Agriculture) and Socialist leaders Thakins Nu and Mya.*(What offices?)
*Note: The other offices were listed. Either need offices for everyone or else remove the office title for Thakin Than Tun.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Insight12345 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence clarification under WWII section 

message: Again, sorry for my incompetence-- please consider making these changes (for me) to improve readability and Grammar--
Run-on. Should say: '...and Socialist leaders Ba Swe and Kyaw Nyein. Leading to the formation of the Anti-Fascist...'
After '...League (AFPFL)'... While in Insein Prison Thakin Than Tun and Soe co-authored the Insein Manifesto. The manifesto conflicted with the prevailing Dobama movement opinion* by identifying world fascism as the major adversary/obstacle** presenting the Burmese people at the time. It also called for building a large allied coalition to improve the chance of success in the coming war, which should include temporary collaboration with both the British and the Soviet Union. Than Tun was able to pass on Japanese intelligence to Soe, while the other Communist leaders Thakin Thein Pe and Tin Shwe made contact with the exiled colonial government that had been displaced to Simla, India."
**Which is?  It conflicted with prevailing opinion of Dobama movement but then it implies Dobama movement believed something else was the main enemy of the coming war. I don't know what that is, you should mention it (again) in a word or two.
*'enemy' sounds awkward. Are any of these synonyms more appropriate to your intended meaning?: Issue, challenge, adversary,
***I feel like 'World Fascism should maybe be capitalized. But I'm not sure why. It's a grammatical intuition.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Insight12345 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence clarification to be made under 'Joining the Allies'