Talk:Occitania

message: Has anyone got a date for the first use of Occitan/Occitania - at present the articles states both that they date from the 13th and 19th centuries. And is it true that the French kings abolished Occitan parlements? There were still parlements and états généraux in the south of France up till the Revolution. Hedgehog 16:16, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no links to any of the history of these culturally unified but politically separate areas that has been developed at Wikipedia: Foix, Septimania etc. --Wetman 12:53, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: date

message: Formatting that encases the framed table of contents in text, in just the way a framed map or image is enclosed within the text, is now available:  in the HTML does the job. 
Blank space opposite the ToC, besides being unsightly and distracting, suggests that there is a major break in the continuity of the text, which may not be the case. Blanks in page layout are voids and they have meanings to the experienced reader. The space betweeen paragraphs marks a brief pause between separate blocks of thought.  A deeper space, in a well-printed text, signifies a more complete shift in thought: note the spaces that separate sub-headings in Wikipedia articles. 
A handful of thoughtless and aggressive Wikipedians revert the "TOCleft" format at will. A particularly aggressive de-formatter is User:Ed g2s
The reader may want to compare versions at the Page history. --Wetman 19:59, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Distracting blank spaces

message: This is the sort of article which is of most interest to people with an intense bias and an antagonistic relationship with modern reality. Southern France is Southern France, and romantic pretences to the contrary have no place in an encyclopedia. Readers should be highly sceptical about this article, as it may relapse into extreme POV at any time. CalJW 14:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody says that Occitania is not in Southern France and nobody says that Occitan is the first spoken language of this territory. Nevertheless, the definition of Occitania as the country where Occitan is the traditional language remains exact. When you talk about "modern reality", I suggest you to notice that Occitan is still a part of this modern reality since it is not a dead language (although minoritary). So you should be more objective and open-minded toward this complex reality.--Aubadaurada 15:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am entirely unbiased, but you most certainly are biased. However if you refuse to acknowledge that I don't suppose I will be able to do anything to about it. CalJW 03:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ????? And then? Now let's be serious and let's make an encyclopedia.--Aubadaurada 01:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again: Occitania is not a country, there is no historical proof.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.71.114 (talk) 12:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Please read with extreme caution

message: It includes some valleys in the north of Aragon as if they were Gascon-speaking, but they are Aragonese-speaking. Occitan is not spoken in Aragon, the only place in Spain where it is spoken is in the Aran Valley, in Catalonia. --Estrolicador 00:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A better map is inserted, from now on.--Nil Blau (talk) 19:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Better how? The current map(which, to be fair, might not be the one you are talking of) shows only parts of France which have spoken occitan or occitan-related languages, making no distinction between the two. Bufinidas (talk) 17:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The map is wrong

message: Occitania is not and it has never been a state. It consists of an imaginary region with a pseudo common language, that's all. --Frukko (talk) 22:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not a state but it is the territory of a language fully recognized in Romance linguistics. Please read any Romance linguistics manual.--Nil Blau (talk) 15:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a state 

message: It is very misleading to say in the introduction that Languedoc is a synonym or a former synonym of Occitania.Languedoc is absolutely not a synonym for "Occitania" in current, contemporary use, but a region pertaining to Occitania. You can check this in any dictionary of proper names (in English, in French or in Occitan). In a remote past, it is not totally impossible that Languedoc could have been a synonym for Occitania but such a sense is not fully attested in medieval texts. The name Oc Country (Occitan País d'Òc, French Pays d'Oc) is a synonym for Occitania and therefore this has to be mentioned, though this use is rather seldom.--Nil Blau (talk) 16:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occitania, Oc Country, Languedoc 

message: As much interest and respect I have for the Occitan language and culture, I have never seen any proof that Albert Camus is an occitan writer, neither with respect to language nor with respect to culture.  I'm going to remove his name from this list of famous Occitans unless and until someone can provide a verifiable primary source for this claim. Esbullin (talk) 19:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Camus 

message: There is a new article called Occitan cuisine that by the moment is only the beginning of a traduction of its homologous in catalan, Cuina occitana, which is very long and complet. My English may not be enough good to translate it completelly, so I ask for help to do it. If not, it will only grown slower. Thank you anyway in advance to correct linguistic errors in it. 
Someone has demanded to export the article to a section in an article for Occitanie, but it's not a good idea knowing the lenght that it will have (please, see the catalan one: Cuina occitana). However, it is not a bad idea to copy an introduction of it in a section for the general article for occitanie, with a link as "principal article" to the occitan cuisine one. Thank you all.--Slastic (talk) 17:22, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Occitan cuisine needs to be merged with this article. Maybe, if this article gets big enough, it can be split off again.--I dream of horses (T) @  19:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If even I can make out what the Catalan article is saying, roughly, then someone whose French and Spanish is better than ours can translate the lengthy and serious Catalan article. There used to be a "translation needed" page in Wikipedia. Slastic's point is good: a succinct summary belongs here, with a hatnote alerting readers to the full details. --Wetman (talk) 19:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge discussion

message: I meant to say in the edit summary "WP:CAPTION".Curb Chain (talk) 05:30, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal Of Period 

message: I've twice removed an IP editor's insertion of an infobox. First of all, infoboxes aren't required or anything, and second, the box was headed by the term "Cultural province", a great misnomer for something with such a long history, much of which not as anything like a "cultural province". In addition, the box listed Occitania as geographically "belonging" to France, flag icon and all, that that's incorrect. Drmies (talk) 18:22, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: "...from as early as 1242... ...This derives from the name Lenga d'òc that was used in Italian (Lingua d'òc) by Dante..."
Dante was born circa 1265. --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii 02:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timings. 

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