Talk:Gothiscandza

message: Athaenara, DRosenbach and Pieter Kuiper have argued that we should use a map :Image:Goths(Madison Grant).jpg, cropped by Pieter Kuiper from a map by Madison Grant, in the article, whereas SlimVirgin, Briangotts and I have argued that we should not. In order to reach a solution and avoid further edit wars, I suggest that we have a vote: 
*Oppose. A map made by a eugenics advocate who was neither an archaeologist nor a historian.--Berig 13:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote

message: Michael Kulikowski writes on page 49 of "Rome's Gothic Wars":
:Recent debates about barbarian society and Gothic origins have been poisoned by the mistaken belief that the intellectual continuity of pre- and postwar scholarship must imply political continuity. That is simply not the case. Yet the fact of this intellectual continuity is of fundamental importance, not for political reasons, but because it shows that the most self-consciously modern work on the barbarians rests on older scholarship rooted in a quest for Germanic origins. The Goths, and in particular Jordanes' Gothic history, have been central to any such quest since the Renaissance, and much of the continued reliance on Jordanes is rooted in that time-honoured tradition. Unfortunately, Jordanes' history cannot bear the weight that is placed on it.
/Pieter Kuiper 18:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kulikowski on intellectual continuity 

message: On the, now deleted as unreferenced, notion about the re-introduction of Gothiscandza to the German scholarship via Gustav Kossinna: it does exist. It was mentioned by Rolh Hachmann, Die Goten und Skandinavien, De Gruyter, 1970.  Someone with access to that work may verify, provide page number and re-incarnate the deleted text in the article. Dipa1965 (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I read about Kossinna in a book that I had on interlibrary loan, probably Mikael Kulikowsky, maybe Arne Søby Christensen. The wikilink to Kossinna is in itself a reference. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see why Pieter Kuiper finds racist theories notable in this case, when there's non-racist scholarship to refer to. Maybe he could also add non-racist scholars to the article?--Berig (talk) 13:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with the move of Kossinna reference from the lead, because it suits better to the current structure of the article. It remains important, though, because of the revival of the Gothiscandza and also of his role in the creation of the "archaeologic-linguistic" school. Kossinna's theories actually still have a strong, though indirect, influence on the modern scholarship in Germany, Scandinavia and elsewhere. They also exercise a strong direct influence on the basic education institutions of those countries, as I am pretty sure one can easily notice in the editing history of this article. Dipa1965 (talk) 19:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

text: and the unreferenced-material saga continues.... Is it so hard for you people to cite a reliable source that supports your edits? --Dipa1965 (talk) 18:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The new stuff that has now been added to the lead with "several archeologist and historians have proposed" is rather questionable when one reads Gdansk#Names (sources are quoted there). /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gothiscandza and Kossinna 

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message: Why is it left out that this is the original name of Gdansk?188.172.108.164 (talk) 07:46, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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