Talk:High-temperature superconductivity

message: This page should be merged with High-temperature superconductors 220.244.224.10 00:36, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. FS of cuprates is an involved topic and thus deserve a separate and a detailed article.Condmatstrel (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Take a look, and you'll see that High-temperature superconductors is merely a redirect to this article, High-temperature superconductivity. So neither of these comments makes sense at the present time.  I see there were some merging in 2004 and 2006. — Quondum 05:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Why it seems like there's no study on this together with the first element? --Cacumer 18:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Superconductivity in Hydrogen was predicted about 40 years ago but the pressures required to test this hypothesis are still unavailable. The article now refers to this prediction. 78.86.83.92 (talk) 02:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hydrogen]] 

message: I've been out of the field for too long to make good contributions to this article.  But "back in the day" I actively avoided the term "high temperature" to describe these materials.  Yes, it's high compared to the Tc of Nb3Sn, but 100 Kelvin is not "high" in any absolute sense.  What will we call the 200 K superconductors of the future?  "Collosal High Temperature"?   I propose "perovskite superconductors" or "cuprate superconductors", unless those terms have died out. Spiel496 23:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "high-temperature superconductor" is definitely well established and current in this context --spiralhighway 00:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree,  the term "high-temperature superconductor" is a widely used term. Besides, high and low temperature is not meant to be an absolute scale. When studying neutron start, 10^8 K is a low temperature. The Kondo effect is a low temperature effect, and can occur around 400 K. Similarly, 100 K is a high temperature for superconductivity to occur. Also, I feel high-temperature superconductor is a better term than "perovskite superconductors" or "cuprate superconductors", since not all high-tc superconductors are perovskite or cuprates, take the ruthenates for example. PhysicsBob 13:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Relativity. Measures can never be low or high in physics. They are relative to a reference point you stablish. A value is high or low only when it is compared to another value. They are "high-temperature superconductor" compared to actual semiconductors. The name is 'relatively' correct, hehe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.216.195.163 (talk) 00:29, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The three alternative definitions in the introduction (historical, physical, and technical) now attempt to clear up this issue. 78.86.83.92 (talk) 02:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Surely it's "high" relative to the temperatures that BCS theory predicts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.53.69.150 (talk) 00:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: Maybe we can improve this article by introducing some sections to it. Here's my first cut at a proposal, please feel free to edit / change / add mercilessly:
* Background - mostly stuff that's already there
* Theory - contending theories, description of Anderson RVB model
* HTSC research overview - including the main motivations for it, what's known, the big outstanding questions
* Maybe 2 sections about specific research questions in the field
* Applications - applications of current HTSC materials
* Research groups - maybe a list of major research groups around the world and their fields of specialization
--James Slezak 01:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this structure in principle, but perhaps the section on Research Groups could be dropped, since it wouldn't tell us much about high-tc superconductors. Also, I think the theory could be a bad idea, since it is probably one of the most contentious points in physics at the moment, and nobody seems to know really what they're doing. Conversely, it is a good idea since it will give readers an idea about what people think about high-tc at present.  PhysicsBob 13:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed restructuring + expanding 

message: It seems that many of the materials listed are very out of date. Also, no mention of nanotubule research Dtsvaro 08:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, carbon nanotubes reach superconductivity at about 20K, making them low-temperature superconductors. YBCO was still the leading class of high-temp ceramics when I was working in a lab 3 years ago... I can't comment on advances since then. Garrepi 07:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Materials 

message: I'm commenting these out. I assume they're being used as guidelines for future development, but the article needn't look like a skeleton in the interim. Chris Cunningham 10:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dummy sections 

message: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6412057.stm
i think that's interesting and a good source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.133.226.122 (talk) 09:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  bbc article about htsc 

message: Chapter 'How High-Temperature Superconductors are Made' seems to be very similar to the last chapter 'How does STI make its thin-film microelectronics, or microchips?' on http://www.suptech.com/tech_faq.htm
84.231.69.60 19:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True. However, given how short the section is, I think we can get away with using it as a reference. It's not a 1:1 copy, although that's clearly where it was taken from. Thanks. Chris Cunningham 19:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible copyright infringement 

message: http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=HTTOTGYXPCPWSQSNDLSCKHA?articleID=206904213  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.210.162 (talk) 11:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pressure mounts for HTSC. 

message: At the moment the article is dominated by the original type of HTS.
Copper oxide details could move into cuprate superconductors
so we can have a more balanced summary of the other families here 
including fullerenes, MgB2 and now the oxypnictides. Rod57 (talk) 17:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Improved sectioning of the article could achieve this aim. Nevertheless, far more is known about the cuprates than oxypnictides or fullerenes. The article should reflect this. 163.1.18.232 (talk) 23:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I hope the resectioning into Cuprate, Iron-based superconductors, and Other has achieved this aim. Doktor Waf (talk) 01:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks great. Rod57 (talk) 17:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to bring to your attention that there is already a cuprate stub article which can be used for keeping some material. Materialscientist (talk) 00:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  split cuprate SC into separate article ? 

message: This is in my opinion not correct. The original article is to my knowledge: 
M. K. Wu, J. R. Ashburn, C. J. Torng, P. H. Hor, R. L. Meng, L. Gao, Z. J. Huang, Y. Q. Wang, and C. W. Chu
Superconductivity at 93 K in a new mixed-phase Y-Ba-Cu-O compound system at ambient pressure
Phys. Rev. Lett. 58, 908 - 910 (1987)
change it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.20.202.78 (talk) 10:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was Paul (C.W.) Chu's research group who made the discovery. Naming the authors is probably extraneous now the correct reference is included. 163.1.18.232 (talk) 23:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  subject: Feb 1987 YBCO discovered to have Tc of 90 K by Paul Chu et al. 

message: Whoever inserted that 185K claim link it looks like self-hype by a fringe american company and is probably as real as the milk jar cold fusion (i.e. bullshit). Those guys describe their actions as exactly as a housewife mixing ingredients for a soup... I think it should be removed. 82.131.210.162 (talk) 18:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the 200K and 212K superconductors from the History and progress section. The results presented in the external links show only very small changes in bulk measurements that are not correlated between different techniques and are not significantly above the experimental noise. At best they might represent very small minority phases but have not been reported in peer-reviewed journals (like the other materials in the section) and there is no evidence presented for these measurements having been repeated independently. If these materials are reported as bulk superconductors in peer-reviewed journals then they would merit inclusion in this article. 163.1.18.232 (talk) 23:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better than perpertual motion! 

message: This section currently seems confused between the magnetic field - temperature phase diagram that characterizes the ordering of the superconducting vortex lattice, and the transition temperature - chemical doping phase diagram that defines the superconducting properties of cuprates or iron-based materials. These might be better discussed in separate sections. Since the doping phase diagram applies to all cuprates (and separate ones for other types of HTS) it should be the "General phase diagram". The vortex ordering diagram is not universal and applies equally well to layered materials that are not HTS. Figures like those referred to in the external links would also significantly improve this section. 78.86.83.92 (talk) 23:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have inserted phase diagrams into the cuprate and iron-based superconductors sections, and moved the discussion of the Type-II behaviour to the introduction - thereby making the General Phase Diagram section redundant. Now it is redundant I have removed it. Doktor Waf (talk) 01:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  General phase diagram section 

message: Looks like it is just a low volume measurement but it blows away all high temp superconductors in this article. Y3Ba5Cu8O18
http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/10/confirmation-of-ultra-ycbo.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.23.163.109 (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also appeared on Slashdot.  Is the guy behind this a crank, or not?  It's hard for me to tell.  The methods used correspond to things I've heard about during recent years of working in condensed matter physics, and none of the arguments used seem outside the bounds of my (limited) understand of superconductivity... but the site looks very amateurish, the claims are sensational, the figures are poorly labeled, and there are few references to other work, nor an obvious source of the funding necessary to do this kind of research. Moxfyre (ǝɹʎℲxoɯ | contrib) 03:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a very major claim. If it was credible, it would be all over the news. Gruntler (talk) 03:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  And "Joe Eck" sounds a lot like "joke". Ken Arromdee (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure this 254K superconductor should be included on this page until there are more references or published scientific papers, there are none on arxiv, nature or any journal published by iop.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.215.3 (talk) 16:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

text: OK, maybe it needs to be said more strongly. I object to the inclusion of anything relating to this, even when properly hedged with phrases like "without being replicated." It is extremely likely that the claims are just wrong. I see no reason to include them in an encyclopedic treatment of high-Tc superconductivity. Here, there is potential harm in confusing readers. Exposing misinformation is nice but we're greatly enlarging the audience for this misinformation, without really portraying the flimsiness of these results in a way that's clear to a lay reader. Anyway, exposing incorrect science isn't what Wikipedia doesThere are a million people with fringy ideas out there and we don't clutter up science pages with them until they manage to convince a decent-sized section of the community that what they're doing has scientific merit. Gruntler (talk) 06:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was weighing for myself what is better - silencing or exposing the errors, and upon second though agreed with Gruntler - WP can't and shouldn't reveal all mistakes. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 06:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Works for me. The Slashdot link gave me pause as a popsci-notable claim and the site was linked an a half dozen or so articles, but I can see pulling WP:ONEWAY and WP:WEIGHT on this. Variously reliable claims of this nature come up regularly enough that we can probably track down a source reporting that. - 2/0 (cont.) 17:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: any updates on this guy Joe Eck who claims superconductivity at 216°C..?? 186.185.49.187 (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sun. Oct. 11th Nextbigfuture article about 254K superconductivity. 

message: From article:
: As of 2009, the highest-temperature superconductor (at ambient pressure) is mercury thallium barium calcium copper oxide (HgBa2Ca2Cu3Ox), at 135 K and is held by a cuprate-perovskite material
Where is the Thallium? Link http://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/365323a0 suggests the compound is HgBa2Ca2Cu3O8+δ.
Yet the article Unconventional superconductor claims
: As of 2009, the highest-temperature superconductor (at ambient pressure) is mercury thallium barium calcium copper oxide (Hg12Tl3Ba30Ca30Cu45O125), at 138 K and is held by a cuprate-perovskite material
Links disagree too, HgBa2Ca2Cu3O8 + δ by Tl substitution, vs. HgBa2Cam-1CumO2m+2+δ (m=1, 2, and 3) .
How about cleaning up by someone knowledgable?
--12:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thallium is a typo or a copy/paste leftover from previous edits. Corrected. Thanks. HgBa2Ca2Cu3O8+δ seems the right composition. Materialscientist (talk) 12:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

text: This article has strong claims, but only 16 citations since 2001, although it was published in PRB (respectable journal). Thus I would not include it. I don't know reasons for low popularity, but some could be: (i) replacement of oxygen by fluorine is extremely impractical. (ii) the 4K increase is rather low and questionable, as it was observed in magnetization measurements (not in resistivity) which do not probe the conduction path, but may respond to disconnected superconducting regions. Also doping not just shifted the magnetization-temperature curve, but changed its shape. Materialscientist (talk) 07:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong formula 

message: The article mentions "Fermi temperature" but links to Fermi level, an article that does not mention temperature at all. I don't pretend to understand any concept that starts with "Fermi" (I don't understand those articles; they appear written for physicists who already know the subject matter). But a reference that does not explain a technical concept is not acceptable in an encyclopedia. Can someone who understands the subject matter please fix this, or add an understandable definition of Fermi temperature? It would be nice to know the nature of the upper bound for HT superconductor temperatures, with some examples of actual values (of course, any future discovery of room-temperature SC will render my issue moot). David Spector 22:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Fermi temperature is equal to the conduction electrons' Fermi level (measured in eV) divided by the Boltzmann constant (measured in eV/K). At the Fermi temperature (which for most metals is extremely high, well above both the melting and boiling points and over 10000K), the conduction electrons would begin to follow Maxwell-Boltzmann statistics (i. e., behave classically) rather than Fermi-Dirac statistics. This is impossible to achieve in practice for metals (since such high temperatures would vaporize the metal). However, in some n-type semiconductors, the Fermi level of the electrons in the conduction band is small enough that the Fermi temperature becomes reachable, and may even be below room temperature. That's my understanding of how this works; hope that clears things up. Stonemason89 (talk) 14:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fermi temperature? 

message: Recent paper:
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LeadSongDog come howl! 20:37, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pseudogap "a new phase of matter"? 

message: Why is that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.156.40.253 (talk) 20:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of PuCoGa5 

message: === High Tc Superconductivity Record Reaches 38 C ===
Superconductivity on a hot summer day: 29 July 2013
See http://www.superconductors.org/38C_rec.htm
The material is Tl5Pb2Ba2SiCu8O16+ and it works at 38°C!
Time to update the article I think!
--Graham Proud (talk) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have a timeline graph in the "Ongoing research" section that is current till about 2010. I'm strongly against any automated update scheme - meaningful advances in high-Tc research are fairly rare, and any significant improvement will have to be verifiable through reliable secondary sources. In particular, I'm pretty sure the superconductors.org site that you're quoting is quack - a legitimate discovery of 300 K superconductor would've made it to the cover of Nature or Science, not to mention mainstream media. SPat talk 00:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Latest and Greatest! 

message: Superconductivity on a hot summer day: 29 July 2013
See http://www.superconductors.org/38C_rec.htm
The material is Tl5Pb2Ba2SiCu8O16+ and it works at 38°C!
Time to update the article I think!
--Graham Proud (talk) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  High Tc Superconductivity Record Reaches 38 C 

message: I think the page should be updated including the most recent discoveries (the last one on December 2011).
The superconductor (Tl5Pb2)Ba2Mg2Cu9O17+ works at 28°C.
See http://www.superconductors.org/28C_RTSC.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.194.174 (talk) 19:50, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New superconductor at 301°K discovered on 6 Dec 2011 

message: I suggested we add a graph to highlight the tremendous progress made in the last 40 years - Tc is just rocketing up!  As an example see the graph at this History of Superconductivity page.
Is there a way to automate this somehow in Wikipedia, like an RSS feed or something? For example, "The highest critical temperature achieved to date is XXX in YYYY material".
--Graham Proud (talk) 03:06, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have a timeline graph in the "Ongoing research" section that is current till about 2010. I'm strongly against any automated update scheme - meaningful advances in high-Tc research are fairly rare, and any significant improvement will have to be verifiable through reliable secondary sources. In particular, I'm pretty sure the superconductors.org site that you're quoting is quack - a legitimate discovery of 300 K superconductor would've made it to the cover of Nature or Science, not to mention mainstream media. SPat talk 00:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion to add a graph / trend and update it regularly

message: To my knowledge, Iron-Aresinide superconductors discovered around 2008 are considered high Tc superconductors as well.
This needs to be reflected in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Condmatstrel (talk • contribs) 16:49, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is, both in the lead and in a seperate section. Do you have ideas for anything else to add? SPat talk 17:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  High Tc is not limited to cuprates anymore 

message: In case it's later shown to be backed up by experiments:
On 2013-10-08 theoretical physicists calculated and predicted the electronic properties of a topological insulators, which conduct electricity only on the edge or surfaces. It consist of a single layer of tin and fluorine atoms which could be the first material to conduct electricity with 100% efficiency at computer chip temperatures. Experiments to confirm the finding is under way in November 2013. Electron9 (talk) 11:56, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theoretical tin-fluorine conductor 2013 

message: Upon consulting unbiased Phd's in the subject it seems that the following null hypothesis is correct.
The materials on super*****.* are NOT in fact superconducting, the phenomenon discovered is 
giant magnetoresistance highly dependent on temperature.
1) No independent replications of even a hint of HTSC above 164K 
2) The materials show such a small resistance change that even if they did work they
would be virtually useless at even cryogenic temperatures.
3) No (as in zero) improvement since early 2002 when even Y123 was reformulated within a year.
4) Not even a hint of any commercial product(s) 
5) Not even a mention of these "miracle materials" in any other peer reviewed scientific journal.
6) No evidence of even a simple levitation experiment which would show genuine superconductivity.
7) Every single condensed matter researcher spoken to feels 1-6 are likely accurate.
Self publishing is often a bad sign in the scientific community, by all means include preliminary
results but the more outlandish the claim the more likely it is to be wrong.
Case in point, Henrik Schon fooled many people with his plastic "superconductor" but was later 
caught out when his results were not reproducible and graphs were found to be fabrications.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.16.70.246 (talk) 02:32, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible null hypothesis  

message: The history section presently states: "In the late 1970s, superconductivity was observed in certain metal oxides at temperatures as high as 13 K (−260.1 °C), which were much higher than those for elemental metals." I guess that this is wrong. The "popular" superconductors known in the 70s with Tc higher than that of elemental Nb were compounds like NbN, NbTi, Nb3Sn or Nb3Ge, i.e. not oxides.--HBook (talk) 20:09, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now corrected.--HBook (talk) 11:11, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: I suggest someone should add a section on properties of HTCs which limit their applications and usefulness: the fact that they do not form large continuous superconducting domains but only clusters of microdomains within which local superconductivity occurs, and therefore are useless for applications requiring actual superconducting currents (such as superconducting magnets for magnetic resonance); and, the fact that being ceramics rather than metals, HTCs are brittle and not malleable and cannot easily be shaped or molded.  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 07:15, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE: OK, I added a sentence, with a reference.  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 07:26, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for additional section 

message: Dear colleagues, 
In the "Examples" section, the table's header includes the text: "(Boiling point of liquid nitrogen for comparison)".
I understand the importance of the boiling point of liquid nitrogen in this topic; however, the table also includes rows for the boiling points of: liquid helium, liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen, plus two other reference temperatures. Also, the use of the word "comparison" is a bit puzzling, since the boiling points are supplied essentially as referential indicators.
Would the table header therefore not be clearer if the text in parentheses read: "(Various boiling points shown for reference)"?
I hope the above suggestion will be received in the positive light in which it was made.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 17:33, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Transition temperatures of well-known superconductors" 

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message: Hi, according to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanthanum_decahydride  LaH10 superconducts at 250+ K at 150 GPa.
Should this also be added, for completeness?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.3.100.40 (talk) 06:21, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lanthanum decahydride (LaH10) 

message: The development of commercial yttrium barium copper oxide ribbon supercondutors has led to the growing use of the term "REBCO tape" to describe them in shorthand, as a quick websearch will reveal. This article is lacking mention of this term, which appears to be gaining usage rapidly. Some addition in this regard is needed to keep this article relevant to current discussion (to show up in websearches, for one thing). 2001:56A:F0E9:9B00:55E9:D0B5:54A7:B271 (talk) 04:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  REBCO tape 

message: Our definition was at "temperatures above nearly 73.15 K", which is patently silly, and not supported by the ref used. Is there a precise def? Above the triple point of N2, perhaps? Or its boiling temp at 1 atm? I put both figures in w citation-needed tags. — kwami (talk) 11:33, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  definition 

message: There seems to be more about cuprate superconductors on this page than on the actual Cuprate superconductor page. I wonder if this page would be more effective if it focused more on giving a broad overview, and left many of the specifics to the separate article on cuprate superconductors (which could certainly be expanded, including much information from this page)-- Mittens10 (talk) 18:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your proposal, this article should be a broad overview. Any detailed information that is specific to cuprate superconductors should be moved to that page. --Ita140188 (talk) 02:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cuprate Superconductors 

message: Shouldn't TS be more appropriate? Even TSC?
Every conductor conducts (C)at a high temperature (T). JohndanR (talk) 16:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It stands for critical temperature. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 16:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why High T"c"