Talk:Kumanovo

message: I really cannot understand why you (FreestyleFrappe) are doing this. Does it give you some kind of satisfaction? Can’t you see that you are going in confrontation with every person included in this dispute? My last version was a bigger good-faith correction of the page, of course, without removing your favorites, the “Violence” and “Narcotics” sections, but it seems that nothing can satisfy you. 
I have the following questions regarding your last revert:
* 1. Why are you putting info about surrounding Kumanovo’s mountains into the Economy section?
* 2. Why you delete the “Geography and Climate” section?
* 3. What does the private dentistry (an apparent commercial) do in the History section?
* 4. What is the benefit of having the Kumanovo’s jazz festival into the “History” section?
* 5. Why you deleted my whole “Tourist attractions” section?
* 6. It is not important for you to have the biggest Kumanovo tourist attraction “Kokino” present in the article?
* 7. If my English is poor as you are saying, why don’t you just simply make grammatical corrections to the text?
* 8. Why are you starting again the edit war?  
Bitola  (talk) 22:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? All I did was correct grammar. freestylefrappe 21:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Please show what content I deleted. The only content I recall removing was stuff you had added to the intro which was repetitive as it was already in the economic section. That and a few needless subsections. freestylefrappe 21:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war again 

message: I've protected the article in the hopes that all of you will discuss changes first and reach consensus. Please use this time as a "cooling-down" period and discuss the article on the talk page. In addition, I just wanted to remind all of you to refrain from personal attacks; such comments don't accomplish anything except to antagonize a situation. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think a protection is needed just yet. freestylefrappe 21:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you clarify what you mean by "just yet"? I'm hopeful that this cool-down time will cool off everyone and encourage discussin here and an attempt to reach consensus. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:04, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

text: (cross-posting to User talk:Freestylefrappe) Freestylefrappe, you should never unprotect a page in which you are involved in a content dispute and then proceed to edit the page. Even if you thought the protection was unnecessary, you still shouldn't unprotect - ask the protecting admin (me, in this case) or another admin to unprotect. You unprotected this page with the edit summary "Not needed" after I had protected it and then edited the page several times. Your above post also indicates that you thought protection was not necessary, yet you have not answered to my response yet. Even if the unprotect and then editing is justified, an involved editor should never do this because it creates the perception of misusing your administrative tools. In the future, please do not unprotect and then edit an article in which you are involved. Thank you. Flcelloguy (A note?) 17:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: Let's examine MatriX's sources:
*Ethnologue: Information mainly from B. Comrie 1987; W. Browne 1989, 1996 - if Albanian was made official in 2002 , you can't expect them to record it.
*US State Department Q&A, dated August 24, 2005: U.S. reaction to Macedonia Prime Minister’s rejection of request from Albanian community to designate Albanaian as the official second language for Macedonia? - this doesn't address the issue. Albanian isn't mentioned in the constitution, but by virtue of Article 7(2) any other language spoken by at least 20 percent of the population also has that status (only Albanian, hence the Britannica article).
I don't see why we're still discussing this, it has been discussed before. Worst scenario: we can't agree and just don't mention official language in the article.--Ploutarchos 17:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Article 7(2) of the constitution: (2) Any other language spoken by at least 20 percent of the population is also an official language, written using its alphabet, as specified below.... (further are noted restrictions where the Albanian can be used and in all other situations it cannot be used officialy) so it is official, but not in the same level as the Macedonian language. For example, in the government, in the army, police, border crossings, in all those places only Macedonian is used as official language. If we put in the intro section both languages, it looks like they have the same level of usage in the whole country and that is not true. MatriX 17:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevertheless, the constitution proclaims it "official", and secondary sources endorse the position. Altering them for such considerations or because you don't believe that their status is quite "official" breaches WP:OR. There are levels of official languages you know, for example in Republic of Ireland, Irish language is the "first" official language and "national language" and English the "second" official language (according to Article 8 of their constitution). Nothing prevents their inclusion in infoboxes of the state etc.--Ploutarchos 17:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Come on, the English is included in the infoboxes because this is English encyclopedia. Like I said, the Albanian is not official on the national level and for that reason it shouldn't be included in the intro and in the info box. MatriX 17:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop removing Albanian! There are 25% Albanians in the town and the language is official Mr. Neutron 13:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language again 

message: See this!. 27920 Albanians out of 105484 people, more than 20% of the people and Albanian is official! Mr. Neutron 14:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the 2002 census data. Mr. Neutron 18:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above link is faulty. Frightner 18:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is just a little slow. Mr. Neutron 18:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add the link as a reference to the article in order to avoid confusion. Frightner 18:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The name of the city in the Albanian language should be placed, based on the Ohrid Agreement and given the fact that there is a considerable number of Albanians living in Kumanovë.--Arbër T  •  ?  13:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Albanian language is official

message: Albanians are 9% (10.059 out of 105,484) in the city, they have to be 20% for their language to become official according to the Ohrid Agreement. Hotty34 (talk) 03:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: The date of Kumanovo's first mention in Ottoman documents, prominently displayed on the city's seal, ought to be cited. Would someone please produce the Macedonian source for this date? 
Machiel Kiel, a scholar of Ottoman Turkish and one familiar with the Ottoman archives in Turkey, list only one mention of Kumanovo in Ottoman documents prior to the visit of Evliya Çelebi in 1660/1661: "the Mufassal Defter for Sandjak Kjustendil from 1573 (KuK No 85, fol. 470, General Directorate of the Cadaster, Ankara) mentions Kumanovo as being a village which was the administrative centre of the Nahiye of Nagoriç(ane). In the year mentioned it contained 51 Muslim households and 23 Christian households, or perhaps 250-300 inhabitants. 23% of the Muslims were of local convert origin, the others largely Turkish colonists." Source: supplementary notes added to "Some Little-known Monuments of Ottoman Turkish Architecture in the Macedonian Province: Štip, Kumanovo, Prilep, Strumitsa", reprinted in Studies on the Ottoman Architecture of the Balkans (Variorum, 1990). Aramgar (talk) 02:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: Police Station Kumanovo does not appear to be notable on its own, but its content could be merged here. Apocheir (talk) 00:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. --Local hero talk 02:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming no objections come up, would you be willing to perform the merge? I don't know Macedonian so I can't verify the references as well as someone who does. Apocheir (talk) 03:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Just made a couple additions. I think that's all that needs to be brought over. --Local hero talk 03:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Police Station Kumanovo]] into [[Kumanovo]]