Talk:History of Miami

message: Should that lighthouse picture be on the article page twice?  I didn't delete it in case I was missing something, but they look like a duplication to me.  Maybe its supposed to be one of those spot the difference puzzles... :) Mammal4 13:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lighthouse picture

message: Samuel Touchett received a land grant from the British government of 20,000 acres in the area of Miami in 1766. The grant was surveyed by Bernard Romans in 1772. Touchett was having financial problems by then and never attempted to develop the land grant. So, is this too minor a point to add to the article? -- Dalbury(Talk) 22:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samuel Touchett plantation 

message: I just nominated this for featured article status, I think its ready. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 22:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article? 

message: In the Twentieth Century section I found the following two sentences;
:At the time, Miami's hurricane was considered the country's greatest natural disaster since the San Francisco earthquake and fire of 1906. Today, the Category 4 storm ranks among twentieth-century United State hurricanes as the 12th deadliest in history.
to be word-for-word from the cited source, , which has;
:At the time, Miami's hurricane was considered the country's greatest natural disaster since the San Francisco earthquake and fire of 1906. Today the Category 4 storm ranks among 20th-century U.S. hurricanes as the 12th strongest and 12th deadliest.
I'll work on rewording the article, but we need to take a closer look at everything in the article. -- Dalbury(Talk) 15:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A couple of sentences isn't necessarily a problem, but I'm uncomfortable with even one sentence copied over (not that I haven't done so). -- Dalbury(Talk) 19:24, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible copyvio problem. 

message: I went ahead and pulled the bit about the Tequesta building houses from cypress logs. The sources I've worked from for Tequesta say that there is no information available about Tequesta housing. -- Dalbury(Talk) 01:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In "Tebeau, Charlton W. 1968. Man in the Everglades. University of Miami Press", I find, "No description of Tequesta houses is available except those on Matecumbe Key described by Bernard Romans, a surveyor for the British government, who wrote ...we see the remains of some savage habitations, built, or rather piled up of stones; these were the last refuges of the Caloosa [Tequesta] nation; ... These may actually have been a unique instance of the use of stone." I would also note that the Tequesta apparantly lived along the shore of Biscayne Bay and on the rivers and creeks draining into the bay. I suspect they were more likely to use pine or hardwoods from the coastal hammocks than cypress for any construction. Charleton Tebeau was a historian at the University of Miami, so I consider his work pretty reliable. -- Dalbury(Talk) 01:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it. AndyZ 01:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I thought I had. An edit conflict, I guess. -- Dalbury(Talk) 01:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tequesta 

message: I removed the following paragraph because it implies nothing happened between 1513 and Julia Tuttle's arrival:
:The Europeans first reached the Miami region in 1513. Following that, settlement gradually occurred, instigated by Julia Tuttle's negotiations with railroad magnate Henry Flagler. By 1896 Miami had become a city.
-- Dalbury(Talk) 02:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very strange paragraph 

message: I've removed the sentence, "Washington D.C. approved a few weeks later by telegram." Washington had no say in the establishment of municipalities in a state. Does this perhaps refer to State of Florida approval? -- Dalbury(Talk) 02:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington had no say 

message: The specific incident on which this information was based is reported differently in another source. As I don't have at hand the source I used to first add this information to the Tequesta article, I'm pulling it out until I can sort through the conflicting stories in the sources. -- Dalbury(Talk) 02:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed 'child sacrifice' report for Tequestas 

message: Congratulations on getting this article to FA status! Deckiller 02:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Congrats from me too! --Siva1979Talk to me 18:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congrats 

message: I switched the word White to Anglo-Saxons on the paragraph "Early white settlement", because Spanish people are Mediterranean Europeans, and these are White people.
If this article is going to be a Today's featured article on May 23 2006, I would recommend serious revising.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.154.242.129 (talk • contribs) 
Not all whites are Anglo-Saxon in origin. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 01:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  White? 

message: As far as I know, the eighth (spelled as so) ancient wonder of the world doesn't exist.  This seems a bit...opinionated?  If not...a practical joke?  lol funny?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kupo6x (talk • contribs) 10:26, 23 May 2006  (UTC)
It was vandalism by some idiot thanks 64.12.116.135 16:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ball of Wax? 

message: I've reverted some vandalism by 169.199.43.56 to the version by Zahid Abdassabur.  I post this here because I didn't in thge edit summary - sorry :(  Martinp23 16:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: First off, "After the Second Seminole War ended in 1842, Fitzpatrick’s nephew, William English, re-established the plantation in Miami. He charted the "Village of Miami" on the south bank of the Miami River and sold several plots of land."  
This should link the William English (planter), not the Indiana politician. (as was done by Donald Albury on the main Miami page).
Second, "So on July 28, 1896, the City of Miami was incorporated with 444 citizens (243 of whom were identified as white and 181 as black)." 243 + 181 = 424.  Were there still 20 resident Seminoles?
Third, these numbers might be off, because if in 1896 there were 444 citizens, and in 1900 there were 1,681 citizens, that would be a > 400% population jump in 3 1/2 years.  Since neither of these numbers are cited, I figure maybe one or both is just a bit off.
:I thought the voter/population thing had been sourced. As I remember, the sources disagree. Helen Muir's Miami, U.S.A. states that there were 502 voters when the city was incorporated, including 100 registered black voters. I don't have other sources at hand to check against. I think I'll go ahead and use Muir. -- Donald Albury 02:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, but # of voters will be much less than the total population, since women and children will not be included.  That would explain much of the difference between the counts 444 (or 502) and 1,681.  Thanks for checking that though.--CodeCarpenter 16:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember that Miami was a boom town, and many men looking for work would have come without families. Note also that Miami's population increased 3 1/4 times to about 5,500 from 1900 to 1910, so the population could have easily doubled in the 4 years from 1896 to 1900. -- Donald Albury 23:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was there an "Other" category? 

message: It looks like almost all the text is identical between Miami, Florida in the 20th century and History of Miami, Florida#Twentieth century, so this should involve only a little cleanup and conversion of 'Miami, Florida in the 20th century' to a redirect. -- Donald Albury 00:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merge. KillerChihuahua?!? 12:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merge.  There is already details here from the 21st century, and I cannot picture someone accessing this item directly from a search page.  As also pointed out in other sections here, there is alot of duplication with the general History page, so that will remove the duplication.  Other cities do not have this split by century, so I agree with the merge idea. CodeCarpenter 16:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge in 'Miami, Florida in the 20th century' 

message: I was going to move this to Miami, Florida in the twentieth century, because "twentieth century" is not a proper noun, however, I then wondered why it was not at Miami, Florida in the 20th century, which I think is more typical.  And then I wondered what other Miami are we disambiguating?  Why not Miami in the 20th century?  While the state is required in the titles of city articles (e.g. Miami, Florida), subarticles are not required to have the state, AFAIK, and shouldn't when it's not necessary. Tuf-Kat 18:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Miami, Florida in the 20th century talk page

message: I saw that the Mariel reference to Castro cleaning out his jails was removed.  Yet, the Mariel Boatlift article again states that this was the case.  Over 2400 self-admitted criminals that were deported, 10,000 that were arrested (including over 100 homicides) soon after, and still 800 to 900 that have yet to be accepted back by Castro.  So, I would say that this is not a myth, but just a poorly sourced line in the article.  We could carry over the sources and text from the boatlift article, but that would lead to duplication.  I will leave it to the experts on how this should be done, but complete removal to me seems like overkill and maybe even whitewash.  IMO, of course.  CodeCarpenter 19:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mariel boatlift criminal totals? 

message: Suggested picture addition:
:Image:Miami lounge 1946.jpg--Jorfer 00:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just how old are you? -- Donald Albury 22:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My user page is correct when it gives the grade I am in and the year I was born.--Jorfer 00:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, i'm confused by all this now. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too. This question should have been asked on my talk page, but I answered it here anyways.--Jorfer 00:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked because you claim to be the creator of a photograph taken in 1946. So, unless you are at least 80 or so, you cannot be the creator of that image. This does raise a problem about who owns the copyright for that image. -- Donald Albury 23:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course I did not take the picture, and neither do I claim to have. I found it on the Wikipedia commons. It was uploaded by User:Naarkotix on the commons if you look at the history. Good thing I ran this by on the talk page because now that you point it out, the tag validity is questionable.--Jorfer 23:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies. I now see that to be the case. Sorry about the misunstanding. -- Donald Albury 23:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: From watching a history program about the Miami Vice decade, on Wednesday July 11th, 1979, a couple of gangsters gunned down and murdered several people at the Dadeland Mall in the Kendall area, and according to the narrator, the shootout, more commonly known as the Dadeland Mall Massacre, was very likely the main beginning of the massive crime wave that ravaged Miami in the 1980s and early 90s. Darthvader1 (talk) 05:40, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't bother innocently asserting an example of an important aspect that has been overlooked here, as you can see none of these boondogglers are able to wake up and smell the truth. Daniel Christensen (talk) 04:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dadeland mall massacre 

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message: What's the origin of the city's name?  The only bits that I see about the city's name are (1) its early Spanish name, (2) its incorporation as "Miami", but without anything discussing the source of the name, and (3) the idea of naming it "Flagler".  Nyttend (talk) 21:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The city was named after the river. There is an etymology for the name of the river at Miami River (Florida)#Etymology. -- Donald Albury 15:59, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Check out also the Mayaimi tribe. --Kvanwin1 (talk) 04:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology? 

message: Where does the name "Miami" originate from and how was it applied as the city's name? 173.60.150.244 (talk) 02:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The work "Miami" was probably a Tequesta word, though the meaning is unknown. Several ideas have been posited, but none are definitive. The city's founders thought it meant "sweet water". There's no evidence I'm aware of that it has anything to do with the tribe of Native Americans who resided in what's now Ohio. --Scaletail (talk) 14:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

text: There is evidence of another Native American group in the area known as the Mayaimi. The name is definitely not related to the Miami of Ohio/Indiana/etc. --Kvanwin1 (talk) 04:29, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

text: To which I would add that, according to :Hernando de Escalante Fontaneda, Mayaimi was also the name of what is now Lake Okeechobee, and meant "big water" in the language of the Tequestas, Mayaimis and Calusas. -- Donald Albury 12:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miami named after Ohio Valley Natives or what? 

message: Much of this "featured article" (something that happened in 2006 when standards and uniformity were much lower) shows how superficial it's subject can be. Much of it is insufficient. It's also quite baised, this going hand in hand with the aforementioned superficiality. There needas to be much more added about the terrible financial crisis this "major city" seems to always be in the grip of, namely the near disaster that happened with the city nearly dissolving. Granted I don't make it out to be as big and bad and internationally significant as some clearly do, by the late 90's it was certainly substantial enough for that near occurance to be an outstanding example of bad leadership. I think perhaps the city would have been better off left to die, so to speak, as New York City nearly was as it reached the brink of financial disaster, also due to maxed out bonds, in the 1970's. Would have been a good lesson and in the end it would be better for it. "Condo boom," "world class city," what is this non-sense?  Daniel Christensen (talk) 04:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The great thing about Wikipedia is that anybody can edit it, even you. Be bold. Cite good, verifiable sources and make the article more complete. --Scaletail (talk) 18:04, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, and quite ironically, I was the one to first add the bit about the Manhattanization boom a few months ago. I've noticed a trend that even wikipedia follows in which things of or related to miami are generally substandard in quality and genuinity. Daniel Christensen (talk) 00:09, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Some of the early history okay, but that's it

message: I'd like to invite fellow Wikipedians interested in Florida history to join in our new project page for celebrating our state's 500th anniversay at Viva_Florida_500. Please review and join in getting this project off the ground. It's more than just about Ponce de Leon and his
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message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Miami]] 

message: It is more difficult to prove something did not happen than to prove it did. Somehow a myth has developed that French Huguenots settled in El Portal in 1836. No credible historian believes that this happened. There is an important indian mound in El Portal but no French Huguenot artifacts have been found. For this reason I am removing the information about French Huguenots in El Portal from the article History of Miami. - GroveGuy (talk) 03:07, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Huguenots  

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