Talk:Ukrainian Canadians

message: Article does not cover the issues of religion. The history is rather complicated and would make a fascinating topic. Unfortunately, I don't know much. Anyway, here is one link: http://www.zn.kiev.ua/ie/show/477/45249/ Cheers, --Irpen 06:34, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
Most Ukrainians are catholic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.171.43.29 (talk) 23:08, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: Most of the areas from which Ukrainians came from to Canada do not closely resemble the Canadian prairies. Ukraine is known as the breadbasket of Europe and has a more hospitable and varied climate than the Canadian prairies.
Ukrainians came to Canada to escape oppression, including from the Communists, with the promise that if they could clear a specified area of land within a year, they could homestead and own that land. Owning land in Ukraine under such rulers as Russia was unusual.
The Canadian government advertised in places such as Ukraine to lure emigrants to fill the land as hard-working homesteaders and so build its vision of a nation.
Most Ukrainian-Canadians were not Communists. Most were anti-Communists. Communists, especially under such rulers as Stalin, starved millions of Ukrainians to death. Many Ukrainians are quite conservative, but certainly those who were struggling to survive in the prairies acted as many farming-oriented groups have, and worked to help each other by striving for the creation of social safety nets, such as medical aid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.22.91 (talk • contribs) 
Tens of thousands of Ukrainian-Canadians were dedicated communists. The Ukrainian Farmer-Labour Temple Association wouldn't have had halls across the country if they weren't. I know this fact makes a lot of people angry but it is no less fact. comment added by User:XXx420 bLaZe iT 69xXx  — Preceding undated comment added 01:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong information 

message: Move from Ukrainian Canadian to Ukrainian Canadians (over redirect) is suggested for obvious reasons, esp. in view of the new Canadian Ukrainian article devoted to the language dialect. This seems non-controversial enough and unless someone would object, we could just move it without the WP:RM listing. --Irpen 08:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it should stay at Ukrainian Canadian.  This article should be about more than just the people, but various aspects of Ukrainian Canadiana.  For example, if you look at the the mission of the Centre for Ukrainian Canadian Studies, it is to, "create, preserve and communicate knowledge relating to Ukrainian Canadian culture and scholarship." .  I know it is a very subtle difference, but I would prefer that the title stay as is.  I have been meaning to get back to this page to expand the institutional and religion aspect of things.  Canada has a unique history as it relates to the Ukrainian culture.  -- JamesTeterenko 17:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: move this to "Ukrainian Canadians"

message: I'm going to work on improving (and shortening) the list.  Fist off Eugene Melnyk is listed here, but his article says he is a Jewish-Canadian, and doesn't say anything about being Ukrainian.  William Shatner is also listed but again is classified as a Jewish-Canadian.  Also Jordin Tootoo’s article only mentions his Inuit ancestry, and nothing about being Ukrainian.  Does anyone have any more info on this?  I think Melnyk and Shatner may be descended from Jews from Ukraine, but the term "Ukrainian Canadian" usually refers to people who are ethnically Ukrainian, rather than people from other backgrounds that are from the territory of Ukraine.  Does anyone know how they self-identify?  And we need evidence on the claim Tootoo’s mother is Ukrainian.  Anyway I'm not opposed to putting them in the Category of Ukrainian Canadians, but they may not be the strongest example to put on the main page, until we have more info.
I’m also I little weary of putting Lawrence Senkiw, Ed Werenich, or Lubomyr Luciuk on the list until they have articles.  I mean I’m Ukrainian Canadian too, but I don’t belong on the list because I’m not famous.  I’m not saying these people shouldn’t eventually be on the list, just not yet.  If enough people know about them they should get articles first.  Any Comments?
Hopefully, there will be plenty of changes to come on this article, since I think it is a good start but in some areas is quite lacking.
Kevlar67 10:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Jordin Tootoo for evidence of his mother being of Ukrainian descent. -- JamesTeterenko 16:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thankyou for the help.  Kevlar67 20:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Famous People 

message: If you can use it, there's a fairly nice old image of the Ukrainian orchestra and drama club in Edmonton, circa 1924, over at
Library and Archives Canada. It's certainly PD. -- TheMightyQuill 16:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image? 

message: They are great but I don't like the fact that all our representative Ukrainian Canadians are male politicians.  There are plenty of other famous ukes out there.  Kevlar67 03:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New infox box, nav box 

message: The list is still growing, naturally.  A long list dilutes the article and threatens to become listcruft.  It should be pared right down or split off into a stand-alone list.
Wikipedia:Embedded list is specific about lists in articles, encouraging their removal: "lists of links, which are most useful for browsing subject areas, should usually have their own entries: see Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) for detail. In an article, significant items should be mentioned naturally within the text rather than merely listed".
Wikipedia:Lists says that lists are for information, navigation, or development:
* The annotations add a bit of information, but the list list could have more information if it were split off and expanded
* Navigation is already better served by :category:Ukrainian Canadians
* Development is only served by red links to encourage new articles—this would also be better served by a stand-alone list
The guideline also states "lists should always include unambiguous statements of membership criteria based on definitions made by reputable sources."  The only criteria stated is "famous", which is very subjective.
But we also already have a list of Ukrainians.  We don't need to proliferate more lists with duplicate information.
I suggest we remove the list from this article, but merge its content, including annotations and status as Ukrainian-Canadian, into the list of Ukrainians. —Michael Z. 2007-08-15 19:57 Z
:Thoroughly support. I am not opposed to the idea of compiling lists, but I object against them being in good articles for exact same reason. One thing, is to say that some obscure town in fact is the home of 3-5 prominent figures, and quite another thing is List of people named John. I personally removed ""List of Kievans", List of Leopolitans and List of famous Russians from Ukraine from the articles and I support any similar action elsewhere. --Irpen 23:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List: merge into list of Ukrainians 

message: The lead says: "Ukrainian Canadian less often refers to people of other ethnic groups whose ancestors came from the territory of modern Ukraine or other Ukrainian-majority area, such as ethnic Germans or Jews."  Is Ukrainian Canadian actually used to refer to other ethnicities?  This seems unlikely.  If so, can it be sourced?  Ostap 03:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will remove it. Ostap 23:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other ethnic groups? 

message: The politics section uses weasel words like "many" to make Ukrainian-Canadians appear pro-Communist.  The vast majority of Ukrainian-Canadians are anti-Communist, for example the Ukrainian National Federation, the League of Ukrainian Canadians, and the Ukrainian Canadian Congress, yet these groups are not mentioned.  The first paragraph should be removed.70.30.102.19 (talk) 04:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics Incorrect 

message: How is it out of context how thousands of Ukrainians from Galicia settled in Canada after World War II?--Toddy1 (talk) 19:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I can tell, it's because its in the middle of prose talking about where they migrated to, not where they were from or what military divisions they served in. I'm sure the information can be put in the article in the proper place, though. Also, I would refrain from using the term "Galicians" as in the early 1900s it was seen as a derogatory term towards Austro-Hungarian immigrants, fyi. Instead, Ukrainians from Galicia or what is now Halych, IMO.--Львівське (talk) 21:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree with what you said, other than the mennonite comment, I don't see how German Mennonites should be included in this article, though. --Львівське (talk) 04:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Out of context?

message: Since the Harry F. Sinclair House is owned by the Ukrainian Institute of America, it would be very informative if an article could be created about the Institute. Perhaps some Ukrainian Canadian editor could do so.
*Ukrainian Institute of America is the first source to consider. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainian Institute of America 

message: The History section attempts to resolve when the first wave of Ukrainian immigration began. Without a doubt, people of Ukrainian origin entered Canada throughout its early history, but the first significant "wave" of immigration undoubtedly began in 1891. This section should be simplified. Landroo (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "First wave" 

message: I think it should be noted somewhere that of the 1,251,170 who identify as Ukrainian, only  144,260 can actually speak the Ukrainian language (11.5% of them) [http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=PR&Code1=01&Data=Count&SearchText=canada&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&A1=All&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1, NHS Profile, Canada, 2011.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by B23Rich (talk • contribs) 13:34, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of people who speak the language 

message: I'm of a mind to take this out:
:or that single male Ukrainians were participants in the Russian Empire's exploration parties and fur trade along the western coast of North America (including British Columbia)
That may be in the source, but the source's speculation is based on a false notion that Russian exploration parties ever touched British Columbia; there was no settlement colonization between Sitka and Fort Ross (California), nor any landfalls.  Its presence here suggests that some "single male Ukrainians" may have stuck around and intermarried....well, certainly in Sitka and Kodiak and Fort Ross they may have, but nowhere on what is now Canadian soil; this speculation, and it's only speculation, has nothing to do with Ukrainian Canadian history.Skookum1 (talk) 11:54, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainians re Russian America/BC 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Afghan Canadian which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 22:16, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: In the part "Distribution" there is a table with Ukrainian population in various Canadian cities. The provided source in Russian language is incorrect, because it does not contain any figures for Winnipeg and some other cities, which are present in the table.
I also note no figures given for Calgary ? Mogulmeister (talk) 06:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainian population of Canadian cities (e.g. Winnipeg) 

message: It is an outdated information that Canada is the third  in the word in number of Ukrainians. The third one is Poland. Poland even before Russian-Ukrainian war had about 2 million Ukrainians. Now nearly 2nmillion more have crossed the Polish border.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.94.203 (talk) 01:28, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Before or after the war started? Provide sources if you want these changes made. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:56, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated information