Talk:Christian Heritage Party of Canada

message: I have posted my substitute at Christian Heritage Party of Canada/Temp. If it is acceptable, please delete the existing Christian Heritage Party of Canada page to remove the copyright violation, and move my temp page over. Jwrosenzweig 23:38, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've reviewed the CHP platform, and I think that social conservative is a better description for the CHP than simply conservative. The party's platform is focuses on issues of what they consider to be morality: the so-called traditional family, abortion, crime, etc., and makes only passing mention of fiscal conservative issues. In particular, their environmental policy is focused on environmental protection, whereas a conservative party's environmental policy would be focused on economic growth. Please check out the party's website. Kevintoronto 14:32, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Social consevative vs. conservative

message: I'm a CHP member, so I'd like to know who applied the term and what they believe it to mean.  Provisionally, I'm not objecting to it, the provision being that I wish to understand the intent and meaning of the term and it being added to the party profile box.
To the best of my knowledge, "theocracy" is intended to imply that a religious order or denomination determines the administration of a territory.  That is, a particular church or religious denomination, e.g. Catholicism, Episcopalianism, etc.
Since it is not the CHP's intent to do any such thing, I'm not sure how "constitutional theocracy" is assumed to be the CHP's ideology.
GBC 06:24, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What is a 'Constitutional Theocracy'?

message: I think theonomy would be a better term.Canadianism 00:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it would not.  Neither term is appropriate.  The CHP arose from a Kuyperian tradition, and is consistent with that in being committed to Christian politics in a pluralistic society.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 23:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theonomy vs. Theocracy  

message: I do not believe this article represents both sides of the debate regarding a religious political party. The page seems to focus solely on part policies and not on the possible negative effects of said policies. I believe there are many negative aspects of a far right Christian party and these should be addressed. I will do such if it is agreed that a section would be useful. Dale-DCX 13:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Odd that people talk about "right wing" but never "left wing". Why is left considered so "middle"? And odd that people think of the CHP as "right wing" when it is actually quite middle of the road - the party supports medicare, and the use of Bank of Canada money for a national infrastructure program. GBC 22:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even more odd is you seem to think no one talks of the left. In fact, communism and socialism have likely been the most discussed aspect of politics since their advent. The left (specifically the Liberal Party) in Canada is considered a "middle" party because their policies are quite moderate. Also in Canada, the right (specifically the Conservative Party) is far more to the middle than conservative parties in many nations. Regardless, a Christian party is bound to be to the right, due to the fact they support consistancy and reject change. They can support leftist policies because the Bible supports things which are presently supported by the left. In fact, a Christian party's support of any policy has little to do with the political spectrum, and rather what is supported in the Bible. As I stated, a Christian political party is "right" by nature, not by practice.Dale-DCX (talk) 03:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The supposition that a Christian party "rejects change" sounds very strange.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 23:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism 

message: Canadian Viewpoints (CHP Forum)
I would like to see the CHP forum called Canadian Viewpoints, allowed in the Links section. A lot of people do not know that the CHP has a forum and it would be good to let others know about it. It would also be an opportunity for people to get to know CHP members and to ask questions about CHP. Jemdude 01:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Viewpoints (CHP Forum) 

message: Many of the links/references/notes are to pages that are no longer valid and returning 404 messages.  GRBerry 15:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: I've removed "Dominionism" from the óverview card.  Even the article on Dominionism states in the introductory paragraph that the application of the term is "controversial", and that same article makes a distinction between "Dominionism", and Christian Democratic or Christian Historical principles, such as those advocated by the CHP.  As that article and the term it describes have developed - again, according to the article itself - the idea of Dominionism seems to be very fuzzy indeed, and is used to bring a diverse spectrum of Christian politics into unfavorable and even fearful connection with Christian Reconstructionism for political purposes.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 23:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dominionism label

message: The text states that the CHP "claims to be" Canada's only pro-life party. I disagree. It is the only such party.
All other parties support abortion, tolerate abortion, or lack a willingness to stand against abortion, even though some of their members describe themselves as pro-life and are often discouraged by party whips from voting except by the official party stance. GBC (talk) 05:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We could, perhaps, alter the text to read, "The Christian Heritage Party is the only registered federal political party in Canada to include opposition to abortion as part of its platform."  I think this would get the point across in a neutral way, assuming that the information is accurate.  (Are there other small parties that have an official position against abortion?)  CJCurrie (talk) 05:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Site notable and reliable references either way to settle this. Invmog (talk) 04:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Claims to be" or "is"? 

message: This article isn't about the Christian Heritage Party of New Zealand, that subject has its own article, so maybe at most it there could be a tiny section about the affiliation between the two parties at the end, and/or it can be in the 'See also' section, but wherever it is, even though the claims presented are true because of Wikipedia policy they need to be verifiable and therefore well referenced with notable references. And lastly, the CHP of NZ certainly doesn't deserve to be the first paragraph after the table of contents, and all this without references! Therefor I'm going to make it smaller, move it way down, change the wording, and add it to the 'See also' section. Invmog (talk) 15:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding a section about the CHP of NZ

message: Hi everyone, 
I see that this article is part of :Category:Christian fundamentalism. Are there any references that say it is a fundamentalist organization? 
--Kevinkor2 (talk) 12:54, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fundamentalist organization? 

message: * 'It believes "The Holy Bible to be the inspired, inerrant written Word of God and the final authority above all man's laws and government". [2]'
I'm not sure the link goes at the citation footnote goes exactly to the page on the referece site intended.   
It is quite clear from pages on the CHP site that the party is non-denominational. I cannot find the quoted text on the cited website.
They have many actual statements of belief that could be actually quoted.
From http://www.chp.ca/party/about/ 
* 'Our purpose is to place ourselves under the authority and guidance of the principles os the Gospel - principles like justice, honesty, compasion,  diligence, thrift and "Do unto others as you would have them do into you."'
They say "in a nutshell"
* "The CHP is Canada's only pro life federal political party, and the only federal party that endorses the Judeo-Christian principles enshrined in the Canadian Constitution: 'Canada was founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God' capital 'G': the God of the Bible - and the rule of law.'
Danpeirce.  05:23, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 2nd sentance at the top not consistant with the citation 2 

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