Talk:Penmanshiel Tunnel

message: ===Other events===
This tunnel was the site of a fire in 1949. ("MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT.  RAILWAY ACCIDENT.  REPORT ON THE FIRE WHICH OCCURRED IN AN EXPRESS PASSENGER TRAIN ON 23RD. JUNE, 1949, AT PENMANSHIEL TUNNEL IN THE SCOTTISH REGION BRITISH RAILWAYS.") Various websites refer to it, but none provide any accessible detail. (Above details found at http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/m.h.ellison/nera/khoole/khoolecat/hleracds.htm).
: This website includes a reference to the 1949 accident including the number injured (7) but again no further detail...is it good enough as a reference or do we need a document which describes the incident?  http://www.basedn.freeserve.co.uk/railway.htm ColourSarge 17:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also found it in my copy of Red for Danger by L.T.C. Rolt. Will add in due course... EdJogg 10:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further references... 

message: This tunnel was the site of a fire in 1949. ("MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT.  RAILWAY ACCIDENT.  REPORT ON THE FIRE WHICH OCCURRED IN AN EXPRESS PASSENGER TRAIN ON 23RD. JUNE, 1949, AT PENMANSHIEL TUNNEL IN THE SCOTTISH REGION BRITISH RAILWAYS.") Various websites refer to it, but none provide any accessible detail. (Above details found at http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/m.h.ellison/nera/khoole/khoolecat/hleracds.htm).
: This website includes a reference to the 1949 accident including the number injured (7) but again no further detail...is it good enough as a reference or do we need a document which describes the incident?  http://www.basedn.freeserve.co.uk/railway.htm ColourSarge 17:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also found it in my copy of Red for Danger by L.T.C. Rolt. Will add in due course... EdJogg 10:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other events

message: *Pre-collapse!! A4 60004 "William Whitelaw" emerging from Penmanshiel Tunnel (22 June 1959) -- clearly shows relationship between railway, tunnel and road bridge. Found on the Scottish Railway Preservation Society site, so they might be persuaded to release it...
*Pre- electrification: "40 004 rounds the Penmanshiel Deviation on the Leith-Haverton Hill ammonia tanks. The memorial to the two victims of the Penmanshiel Tunnel collapse can be seen in the right background. 10th August 1984"
Having had difficulty 'visualising' the old allignment, I found this very helpful
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beqi/sets/72157630911909110/detail/
I know these flickr things come and go but as an online reference I think it bears looking at for as long as it exists.Tylexman (talk) 19:02, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures - online reference only

message: I can not put my hand to the details at present - maybe other can help, however a direct ECML service north of the collapse to Kings Cross was maintained with selected services running from Newcastle to Carlisle and then north up the WMCL to Carstairs and Edinburgh. --Stewart 05:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw mention of such services during my on-line research last night, but nothing very specific. The truncated services (which I have added to the article) were noted on more pages, but, again, not very specifically. However, there were special working timetables printed, as a Google will show them for sale at various auction houses and bookshops! -- EdJogg 09:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't it the sleeper trains which were diverted to allow them to continue to pick up at Peterborough?ColourSarge 12:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found a reference on this website http://www.derbysulzers.com/200179.html to services being diverted via Carlisle but not sure if it's good enough to count as a reference source?  The bit in question is the penultimate paragraph under the 1979 heading.ColourSarge 17:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It's also referred to here under 17th March 1979 http://130.209.236.149/ewan/chronology/range.asp?start=1970&end=1979 ColourSarge 17:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  Page 14 of this document http://www.mdrs.org.uk/documents/donkey106.pdf also states that some services were diverted via Newcastle and Carlisie, and even Leeds and the Settle & Carlisle line...ColourSarge 17:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diverted Services 

message: Have added links to this page from 1979 in rail transport page for both the initial tunnel collapse and the opening of the diversion (and therefore restoration of through services).ColourSarge 18:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inbound links