Talk:New Jersey Devils/Archive 1

message: I have created a List of New Jersey Devils players to compliment the one in categories. When making player additions to the New Jersey Devils article, could you also add the player to the list of Devils players? Thanks! Masterhatch 5 August 2005
:Is this a complete list that will be updated periodically? Do we have a master database for this information anywhere? JHMM13 (T | C) 07:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of New Jersey Devils players 

message: Say RGTraynor and/or Masterhatch, do you know if the Devils plan to name Patrik Elias captain, when he returns to the lineup? Or is the captaincy to remain vacant for the 2005-06 season?
: No knowledge, although possibly the Devils' website has an archived press release to that effect.  In any event it's speculative, and there's no need to post anything until and unless the Devils make any formal announcement of a new captain.  RGTraynor 05:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added Scott Niedermayer to the Devils "Captain list", as he's on the captains list, in the Offical New Jersey Devils website. GoodDay 16:19, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because we really need more reminders of how we got shafted this season?? ;) JHMM13 (T | C) 07:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Devils Captain soon?

message: dont remove that. Lionelxhutz 02:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why?  It is fairly unimportant information.  It is quite common for relatives to be in the same sport.  See Notable families in the NHL for a number of examples of relatives that have actually made it to the NHL.  I will remove the information.  -- JamesTeterenko 03:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed.  Until Steve does something notable, he doesn't belong in the article. --cholmes75 18:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Steve Gionta

message: Can we come to a consensus on whether or not the logo should be used in the season-by-season record table? I don't know if it is legitimate fair use as I'm not a lawyer. I would rather see the logos removed from that table because they are pointless and repetitive. In an article called "New Jersey Devils", can't we assume that someone looking at that table would know its referring to the New Jersey Devils? Is the fact that the logo once had green in it somehow relevant to their record on the ice? --dm (talk) 05:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Team Logo

message: In these last few weeks, the Devils section current squad has been blocked from getting edited. Why is this the case? GoodDay 20:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Squad locked 

message: I feel like this article could use a section on the Devils being considered a scapegoat for the decline of skilled play in hockey since their first cup. There are definitely enough articles about there by sports journalists blaming the Devils for everything that is bad with hockey. It's something that's too important to be overlooked, I believe. – flamurai (t) 12:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  section on scapegoat 

message: Here's my list of things that need to be done to get this article to FA status. Feel free to add/strike out items as they're completed. – flamurai (t) 04:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No references, but Neutral zone trap has related content. ccwaters 15:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: [] ccwaters 15:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Todo 

message: In this edit, I standardized date ranges vs. seasons as follows:
# Seasons are YYYY-YY (e.g. 1998-99) with a hyphen
# Date ranges are YYYY–YYYY (e.g. 1992–2004) with an en dash
– flamurai (t) 23:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date range vs. seasons 

message: Is this reference to Seinfeld really necessary? Why is it in there? --Sportskido8 17:13 CST, 26 September 2006
:*In a word, no. --Michael Greiner 22:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree.  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 14:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seinfeld??? 

message: If I remember correctly, somewhere in the Wikipedia bible it says not to make articles a news service, which is what we are doing by keeping the 06-07 standings in the season records table. I think we should just leave it blank, or say "in progress." --Sportskido8 13:14 CST, 3 November 2006
: I agree. – flamurai (t) 19:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave it blank. Michael Greiner 21:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it's left blank, my hunch is we'll be doing a lot of reverting. – flamurai (t) 23:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Day-by-Day record information??? 

message: I guess we're not that far away any more. I will try to do what I can from the GA-suggestions to get this closer to a featured article. I'm going to put the jerseys back up for now and when the creator of the images gets back to me I will include his email and his permission as well as the current rationale that we had for them (which was not bad in my opinion). It is essential in a sports team article that the jerseys be shown somewhere. As for the lists, I guess we can convert some of that into prose. --Sportskido8 12:56 CST, 13 November 2006
:Would anyone be opposed to putting Season by Season records in its own article? Not sure about this. And see the Template page for a discussion about that too. --Sportskido8 2:16 CST, 14 November 2006
:I'll leave the records table for now, since the Patriots article passed with it. I'm gonna go ahead and nominate this for FA and see what happens. It's come a long way since I first did that (which was a bit hasty, yes), but the article has every piece that it needs in my opinion and nearly 50 sources. I think it can pass now. --Sportskido8 16:17 CST, 14 November 2006
How about creating a History of the New Jersey Devils like the History of the Philadelphia Flyers article. My concerne is that the history section is too long and it focus mostly on the recent years. Look at IFK Göteborg which is a sports team with a FA status article, the article also has a short but good history section with a link to the more detailed History of ... article. --Krm500 03:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Road to FA-Status 

message: I've re-edited these 2 sections, to make them appear the same, as their counterparts in the other NHL team articles (the sections appeared as a Devils Fan site). Furthermore, these edits were made to shorten the length of the team article. GoodDay 02:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess they're ok now. Thing is though, you need to remember that since this is the first NHL team article with close FA consideration that it needs to set the standard for the future. So if something isn't like the other 29 articles it may not be a bad thing. --Sportskido8 04:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right. A number of other FA sports team articles (Chicago Bears, Arsenal F.C., Sheffield Wednesday F.C., Everton F.C.) use tables in this manner. It's a perfectly legit use of tables. – flamurai (t) 04:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Captains & Head Coach sections

message: Thanks for helping along in the effort to get this article featured. After the second time I nominated it I was very confident that it would get a lot of praise, and it sure did. Special thanks to flamurai and Anthony for working on this forever in the past few months. Can't wait to see this article on the front page. Can't wait. Sportskido8 02:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulation on the FA --Krm500 11:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good work everyone! 

message: Now that the article is featured, I would like to nominate it to be on the front page of Wikipedia for a day. We need the lead and a picture on there, so basically, which picture do you guys think should be up there, and is the current lead on the page good enough? We could always add something to it for the nomination. --Sportskido8 06:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably should be the Brodeur photo since that's the only one under a free license, and the group shots probably won't work as well at a small size. I didn't know there was a nomination process for front page articles... Ah I see. My last FA got put on the front page without my intervention. – flamurai (t) 08:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I put it up for nomination. You can see it here. I ended up using the Devils logo because it just seems more sensical. Sportskido8 22:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Better to rule in hell, then to serve in heaven? GoodDay 01:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Front page request 

message: I think we need to reexamine the Style of Play section.  The Devils have been cast as a "defense-first" team (in my mind) unfairly for many years.  Jacques Lemaire's tenure ended years ago (when this trend started) and they really don't play the trap anymore.  People continue to cast the team as it was in 1995.
Despite this (or rather, I guess because of it), there's not a single reference provided in this section that accurately describes the Devils style of play (either historically or currently).  I have watched them for many years and I've never seen a player or coach, even during Lemaire's tenure, say "We're defense-minded first".  One need only look at their plus/minus in current seasons or Brodeur's GAA over the years to see the Devils lean away from stifling defense.  One need only look at their offense which (while not filled with powerhouses) has much greater speed, stickhandling prowess and shooting potential to see that the GM isn't buying into defense.  The Devils have a very balanced game now and that should be reflect in the section -- with references.216.254.64.246 02:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Toronto Maple Leafs (for example) played the 'neutral trap zone' back in the 1960's. There should be mentioned the 'ntz' being created by the Devils, was the media's claim only (the terms, is the media creation). GoodDay 22:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style of play 

message: It may take a long time for this article to be on the front page. Still waiting. Sportskido8 21:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still waiting on front page request 

message: I'm not sure that all of the changes that Darthflyer made today are good for the page. Any thoughts? Sportskido8 07:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That stuff doesn't belong in the main article. It's too trivia-ish. – flamurai (t) 04:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Didn't we create a separate page specifically to deal with this? Anthony Hit me up... 15:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait a sec, 'Darthflyer' removed the 'Famous Players section' from Philadelphia Flyers. Nobody (that I know of), consented to this. Is the 'Famous Players section' here, next to go? GoodDay 22:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Not sure how to contact 'Darthflyer', he doesn't respond on his IP address discussion page (he only responds on Talk: Philadelphia Flyers or his Edit Summaries). GoodDay 23:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whoa whoa whoa, we need a vote 

message: I am throwing the idea out there of protecting this page from being edited by IP addresses. It's kind of annoying. Sportskido8 01:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The sooner anon-users are permanentley banned, the better. Sooner or later Registration will be necessary to edit Wikipedia. I long for that day. GoodDay 17:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notion to protect this page from IP address editing

message: This is a distinction that the Devils do hold. Not a proud one, but as a fan of a team, you should allow all information about them, warts and all, to be on the page. Fortunately, as the season is going, the Devils might not hold that distinction for much longer. The Carolina Hurricanes are doing a very good job of eliminating the Devils' ownership of the title "Last Stanley Cup Champion to miss the Playoffs the Following Season." I am the first to admit that I wouldn't raise a LSCCTMTPTFS banner into the raftors of Continental Airlines Arena, but I do think we should include the information on the page, at least until the Devils loose that distinction.  CSTV 10:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't as if it hasn't happened a number of times before; it's scarcely a notable distinction.  RGTraynor 16:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly.  In any case, mentioning it is one thing, but when you start using terms like "dubious distinction," that's just editorializing.  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 16:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's also a matter of relevance. Per Wikipedia:Trivia, I'd consider that information "interesting" but not "important". It's important to note that the Devils missed the playoffs the year after the won the cup in the history section, which is done, but it's not important to note that they're the last Cup-winning team to miss the playoffs the next season. – flamurai (t) 21:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: (shrugs)  Chicago's done it, Detroit's done it, Montreal's done it, Toronto's done it.  It's happened in pre-NHL days as well.  I'm with Flamurai; I'd mention it in the main text in the appropriate season/section, but it isn't a "distinction" worthy of a specific title.  RGTraynor 21:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   You've convinced me, I don't think it should be under its own section, but I agree it is worth mentioning in an appropriate section...eliminating the word "distinction".  I recall when it happened in '96 and so much was made of it.  Bizarre how it is a non-issue in other sports, but when you look at the track record-Montreal in 1970, Chicago in '39, Detroit in '38 and Toronto in '19, '23, '46, and '68, it really isn't that often that you see it happen. --CSTV (talk back) 16:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Last Stanley Cup Champion to miss the Playoffs the Following Season

message: Has there been a goaltender exchange, between the Devils & the Sabres? I can't find any source to confirm this trade. An anon-user is persistant in making the 'trade' edits (both here & at Buffalo Sabres). GoodDay 21:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already tried reverting it. But the anon-user persists in reversing my reverts. He/she seems bent on an 'edit war'. GoodDay 21:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good move, the anon-users actions on his IP adress 'discussion' page, merely proved his vandalising intentions. GoodDay 22:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Contacted new IP adress (concerning Biron/Clemmenson trade vandalism), giving him a warning. It might be the same editor using a different IP. GoodDay 18:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Biron/Clemenson trade ?

message: Not sure how to add this to the article (plus I've no source), but someone may pick up on this. Can we add the akward momment, between Stevens & Daneyko, at the end of the 2003 Cup Finals. Stevens (Stanley Cup in hand) ignoring Daneyko & calling Niedermayer over to receive the Stanley Cup? GoodDay 03:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure you can squeeze that in a sentence somewhere. Maybe there's a video of this on YouTube? Can you source that? Sportskido8 17:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sourcing YouTube videos is iffy, since that would be copyrighted content and subject to removal at any time.  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 18:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only source I have, is my memory. Sure hope someone can provide a link or something. GoodDay 18:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I've looked on youtube, nothing is there. Although that year was really before youtube's height. Michael Greiner 19:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid, this could be a lost cause. Perhaps it's best. GoodDay 20:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Akward Moments

message: I once again removed the Playoff Swept record.  Since the Franchise Records section is for just that, the Franchise, all statistics from the KC and Colorado days must count toward that record.  Colorado was swept in the playoffs the only year they made the playoffs.  That would eliminate New Jersey from having said record.  Right now, only 2 teams that have qualified for the playoffs have never been swept in their existance, Nashville and Tampa Bay, but both histories are rather short.  This "record" is more of a trivial fact then a record.   The original poster of this record noted 5 teams, one of them being Carolina.  While it is true that Carolina has never been swept in the playoffs since they moved to Carolina, they were swept multiple times while in Hartford.  As such, they cannot claim to never been swept in their franchise history.  Same holds true for New Jersey.  Pparazorback 13:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playoff Swept Record 

message: Or are they wearing black and red instead of green and red in this 1982-1983 devils photo?
Anyone mind explaining that to me? lol. There's no way that can be right. Unless they started out with red and black and went to red and green for some unknown reason and that was never recorded or something. Bsroiaadn 13:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I ever heard.  Maybe the photo's been retouched.  RGTraynor 15:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, I figured it might be just dark and that's making it look like black. But, it matches the skates very well, the skates are what I used to compare after I figured it might just be dark green. Did they have green skates? I think I'm gonna go later and search around for more pics, just to check it out. I'll see if any of my relatives (my uncle, dad, and stepmother are huge devils fans, especially) have any pictures from back then. I know my uncle does, I saw it on his wall once. Anyway, I'm rambling, now. haha. Bsroiaadn 15:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: My guess is, whomever made the retro Devils jersey, didn't pay close enough attention to the colors (mistakingly putting black, instead of green). GoodDay 20:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems most likely.  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 20:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense. It looks like black in all of the old team pictures, anyway. Bsroiaadn 15:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Are my eyes deceiving me?

message: I've been looking at a lot other NHL teams articles and some of them have playoff results (as in wins, games played, penalty minutes, etc.) and was wondering if anyone thinks we should have one here, as well. We have season results but for playoffs all it says is what rounds we won and when we were either eliminated or won the Stanley cup. I'd be willing to make the playoff stat chart, I just wanna see if anyone else agrees that it should be made or not. Bsroiaadn 15:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Give 'er a go, be bold. GoodDay 17:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should this go in its own article maybe? Sportskido8 00:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it should go in its own article. The list may clutter up this page. Michael Greiner 00:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone have a suggestion for the name of the playoff result article? New Jersey Devils playoff results, maybe? If you can think of something better, please tell me. I'm not done with the chart yet, I've been pretty busy lately (my house got flooded) so I haven't been able to get on very much. But it should be done soon, hopefully. Bsroiaadn 20:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything, it should be New Jersey Devils Stanley Cup playoffs results with a bunch of things redirecting to it. JHMM13 05:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Krm500, if you think it would be a good idea to put it there then feel free to. And to JHMM13 that's definintely a better name for it. Thanks. Bsroiaadn 03:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Playoff results

message: An anon-user has been arguing, that the Devils currently (along with Captain Elias) have 5 alternate captains (including Brian Rafalski). Rafalski wore an 'A' last season (2005-06), but not this season (2006-07). The Devils this season named Patrik Elias as captain & Colin White, Jamie Langenbrunner, Jay Pandolfo, John Madden as alternate captains. Someone help us, who's correct? GoodDay 00:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As there's a 'reliable source' to back the Rafalski inclusion, I'll concede to it. PS- still can't recall #28 wearing an 'A' while the other (letter men) were in the lineup though (during 2006-07). GoodDay 00:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS- Why didn't that 'source' mention Jamie Langenbrunner? GoodDay 00:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Njdhockey's source, Jamie Langenbrunner is not an alternate captain. So, I've removed the 'A' (even though I disagree, with the source). GoodDay 16:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A more updated source says Langenbrunner is an alternate, Rafalski is not. Corrections have been made to the article. GoodDay 17:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate captains

message: 
Could you please add this template to the top:

Thanks. 64.178.96.168 19:12, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks. 64.178.96.168 19:56, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: Should we add this to the article in the records? This would be the reference, unless a better one could be found. Read the description for moment number 11, that's where it says it. Bsroiaadn 04:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Longest season ending win streak in NHL history

message: I added a new, better looking list. It is basically the same list as the Frölunda one but adapted to an NHL team. If someone could expand the lead and maybe add a couple of good refrences, I think it could be promoted to Featured List. --Krm500 10:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[New Jersey Devils seasons]] 

message: It's been completely re-done, why don't you go over to it and see what you think about it? I can't take all the credit for it though, I did have help (a lot). BsroiaadnTalk 14:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of New Jersey Devils players]]

message: I just want to be one of the first people to say congratulations!  The NJ Devils page has been selected to be on the front page for June 30th!  Great job everyone! PlatypusToby
:Woo-hoo!!! It only took 7 months but it's great to see the article finally on the main page. Unfortunately, I won't be here to see it (on vacation in Virginia) but it's a good thing. --Michael Greiner
::Finally! Oh man I am going to love seeing this baby. Sportskido8 05:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice, congratulations to all the editors who have worked on this article and mercilessly protected it from vandalism.JRWalko 17:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Front Page! 

message: I've removed this image from the article due to the fact that fair use is contested, and the fact that the image has no source. Since this is a featured article that will soon be on the main page, it's hardly appropriate to have a policy violating image on the article. Further, the fair use claim for this image is dubious at best. Ok, it depicts the first New Jersey team. That doesn't add anything to the article. There's nothing in this photograph that adds to the article that text can not. --Durin 21:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the source to the picture (http://www.newjerseydevils.com/njd/fanzone/features/25series/1982-83.php). Generally, promotional team photos are an acceptable fair use in an article, and I think this one belongs to show the roster of the 1982-83 team. The article doesn't spell out everyone that was on that team but the picture clearly shows it. I think we should keep it. Sportskido8 16:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *Fair use images are generally not acceptable and must jump through a lot of hoops to be acceptable. The default case is no fair use, and increased usage comes with increased demand on why it is in the article. You do not need a photograph to show the roster of the team. The 82-83 roster can be readily replaced by text, which makes it non-compliant with WP:NFCC item #8. Further, the 82-83 roster isn't even discussed, so it's depicting something of no use to the article. If you believe the roster is significant, then create an article on the Devils' 82-83 season and include the roster there. A fair use image such as this to depict the roster of the team would make sense. Here, it doesn't. --Durin 17:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed [[:Image:Devils 1982 1983 team photo.jpg]] 

message: I know the lead has been the same for a long time, but should we maybe put their style of play into it before it hits the front page? Seems like an important detail. But it's not a make or break decision or anything. I always thought the lead could be a little bigger anyway. Sportskido8 06:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: Wow, this page barely made it to the Main Page, and already it's being under sieged by anon saboteurs. GoodDay 16:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think 'semi-protection' of this page, should be considered. GoodDay 17:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Today's featured article" is almost never protected, unless vandals are literally edit-conflicting themselves. --Evilclown93(talk) 17:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant this page, not the entry at 'Main Page' (that entry isn't being vandalise). GoodDay 18:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I meant the article itself, and I was referring to all articles that are "Today's featured article". --Evilclown93(talk) 18:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, I see. GoodDay 19:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Main Page

message: How could there be no mention of Seinfeld in this entire article?  Patrick Warburton actually wore Devil's facepaint and chanted "Go Devils!" during the entire episode.  Isn't that worthy of mention, perhaps in some kind of "Pop-culture References" section?
Oh well, Congrats on making FA.
::I think pop-culture/trivia sections like that are a little unpopular, and I don't think this one alone would warrant the creation of one. Oh yeah, don't forget to sign your posts :) (use ~~~~) SGGH speak! 19:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was previously decided not to mention Seinfeld in a now archived Talk Page discussion. Michael Greiner 17:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Seinfeld

message: At what point do other editors here feel we should remove players that are UFAs from the roster? Technically speaking Gomez, Mogilny, etc, aren't Devils at this point. JRWalko 21:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When they sign with another team, WP:HOCKEY guideline. --Krm500 22:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As shown by Gomez and Rafalski, unfortunately. BsroiaadnTalk 13:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UFAs

message: Can someone please explain to me why the Devils page gets preferential treatment and does not have to conform to the same type of format & outline as the 29 other NHL pages do? By this, I mean referring to seasons as "1997-1998" as opposed to "1997-98", for example. Whoever took the time to find and link all references to facts and historical events obviously did their homework and put together a nice page, but I don't think this page should be held to a higher standard than the other NHL pages. Darthflyer 17:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted your earlier edits since you removed the en dash (–) and replaced it with a hyphen (-), I didn't think about the year format. --Krm500 19:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Krm500 - I wanted to let you know that I undid your edit to the Devils page for a couple of reasons. First: if you want to eliminate the hyphens and replace them with "&ndash", that's fine. But please keep the year format consistent with other pages. Second: In addition to the format changes, I also made spelling corrections and eliminated a couple of POVs that were non-essential to the page. Just wanted to let you know. Darthflyer 20:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't do anything, you replaced the en dash with hyphens which violates the manual of style. --Krm500 22:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait a sec, let's adopt the 'manual of style' to all 30 NHL team pages. Consistancy, is paramount. GoodDay 22:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Howabout, this way: 2006–07, for example. GoodDay 23:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. Darthflyer 04:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Seeing as the Devils official website is in a state of confusion (so is the Blues official website, for that matter) - Is there another source to back up Langenbrunner being named captain? The Devils website itself hasn't annoucned it (only added a 'C' to Langenbrunner, at it's roster). GoodDay (talk) 19:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Devils captain & alternates