Template talk:Paris Metropolitan Area

message: What is the purpose of this template ? When I read about Aulnay-sous-Bois, do I really need this list of all cities in Île-de-France which takes so much space on the page? I may want a list of the communes immediately sourrounding Aulnay, but nothing more. IMHO, the content of this template should be moved to a separate article like List of communes in the metropolitan area of Paris, which in turn could be linked from all concerned communes. Thbz 14:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Already answered on Talk:Paris. Also, please check the article about Addisson, a suburb of Chicago. As you can see, the templates at the bottom of the Addisson article are even longer than in the case of Aulnay-Sous-Bois. I think the problem is not the length of the template, but the length of the article. If you think the template takes too much space on the page, it is simply because there is very little in the article itself. Just add more info about Aulnay-sous-Bois. Most of these communes articles are just stub that need to be expanded. Hardouin 15:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm surprised to see this thing actually has a talk page. Nothing was answered per se - you say simply "readers want to know" as a justification without providing any arguments that they do.  For the third time today: Chicago's "metropolitan area", nor any other in the US (and most of the rest of the world for that matter) can effectively be compared with Paris' because the criteria contriving them, in scope nor in volume, is nowhere near the same. I will never tire of pointing this out. IMHO this exaggeration is the whole point of Hardouin's "aire urbaine" obsession - and it is founded on desire, not truth. If you cannot explain the truth of what the AU is (and isn't!) in the same page that you use it in, then don't, because presented as it is, as a direct translation of "metropolitan area", it is misleading. ThePromenader 19:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose of this template 

message: This infobox is about the metropolitan area and not the urban area of Paris. There's a difference between an urban area and a metropolitan area. An urban area is a central city and its contiguous built-up suburbs whereas a metropolitan area also includes satellite cities separated by countryside in between. There are communes in the list that are satellite cities separated from the urban area of Paris by countryside, such as Meaux for example. Be reasonable for a change and stop confusing definitions for people. Do you realize what you're doing? Do you mean the Paris urban area contains 12 million people?? Hardouin 15:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "Paris metropolitan area" usable here - the term "metropolitan area" is not at all the official translation of "aire urbaine" as indicated by the INSEE: the official translation for "aire urbaine" is "urban area" as indicated in the references provided in urban area and Talk:Paris urban area. It is not "your" definitions that count here - it's the official ones. Give us a break please. THEPROMENADER 18:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title change 

message: First off, this template does not (and cannot) include every commune in the Paris aire urbaine (urban area) - contrary to what its title says it is. If anything, "communes in the Paris aire urbaine" should be a category.
In addition, this template's only purpose (and reason for existence) seems to be as a tool to promote Hardouin's insane theory that Paris is as big as the Île-de-France (or that the Paris aire urbaine is Paris) - I remember it originally had the Paris city logo on it but was told to remove it. It has also been placed into many articles concerning Paris quarters and Paris subjects - many of them irrelevent to this template - for reasons none to clear to the reader.
For all of the above reasons I think this template is pointless and misleading if used incorrectly, and I think it should be deleted. If perhaps an effort can be made to complete the list of communes it could have some use, but that would mean adding another over a thousand communes. Again, "communes in the Paris aire urbaine ("metropolitan area is an unsuitable and erronous translation - besides, the official translation is "urban area"  so this should be used) is a category title, not a template. Please read other similar critiques above. THEPROMENADER 15:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Template is pointless 

message: I'm changing the template title (only) from its present WP:OR 'interpretation' state to 'aire urbaine', and if the outrage from the masses isn't too (cough) overwhelming, I'll be proposing a template move to the 'aire urbaine' namespace later on. I (and another contributor), have made the reasons for this change more than clear in the discussions above, so there is no excuse for reverting. Let's wait and see what happens. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 06:17, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no consensus for using the French name. You're the only one supporting that. Besides, all precedents (as per Departments of France for example, which used to be Départements of France) point to a preference for English names over names in other languages. Der Statistiker (talk) 16:25, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are alone in knee-jerk reverting another contributor's edit, and there is no need for 'consensus' for every change that is not to another wikipedian's 'taste' - besides, it was after discussion with another contributor that we decided that the original French term - and not 'urban area' was the safest way to go. How can one ignore an entire talk page of discussion? Leave the edit, and if it's so bad, other contributors will edit/comment themselves. Continue and I'll seek outside help. THEPROMENADER 17:06, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not alone, as per Template_talk:Paris_Metropolitan_Area#Move_request_submitted. Der Statistiker (talk) 17:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are alone in reverting this. The move ~to~ 'urban area' was opposed (even by myself), so apples to oranges - but thanks for again trying to skew the debate. This revert is a joke - either meatpuppeting or sockpuppeting. Such antics are more than pathetic and a waste of everyone's time. This is worthy of a report. THEPROMENADER 17:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Just what happens when switching between different language wikipedias, since I'm an editor at various wikipedias, and en.wikipedia stupidly logs you in under the account of whichever other wikipedia you last checked, without even letting you know. Now, what about you debate the issue (your insistence on wishing to use a French name in that case), instead of always trying to use ad hominem and abuse the admin noticeboard against people who disagree with you? Der Statistiker (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't buy it, and too late, I've already filed the report. And of course I couldn't be aware of your excuse, so stop with the disingenuous accusations while you're at it. THEPROMENADER 18:24, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template title change, eventual move.