Talk:Video art

message: Should the historical section be divided into decades and countries, like most of the art entries? The current history is a total impenetrable mess Mwf95 (talk) 02:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: history

message: A good reference to how this very vague definition of video art could be cleaned up may be found at the entry for experimental cinema which, although not perfect, is much better. The description given of video art here, unfortunately, is vague enough that it might just as well apply to experimental cinema, from which it is in fact distinct. 141.155.136.90 22:43, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Did some reworking and reorganizing. Still much work to do. Freshacconci 20:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleaning up 

message: EDITORS?? - Why has the website reference for the British video art chronology (non-profit!) at the bottom of your main page UK VIDEO ART: THE EARLY YEARS <http://ukvideoart.tripod.com> been recycled back to your main Video Art page instead of  just leaving the reference??
:Reworked and moved. Freshacconci 20:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  reference 

message: Video Art has grown organically with the advent of computer based editing and distribution to include personal as well as public works.  For the masses, accessibility of the process from lens to finishing to screen to eye no longer depends upon arts organizations to disseminate within its ranks.  Schoolchildren are becoming versed with digital cameras that shoot moving pictures and sound with no moving parts, as well as with Apple's iMovie and other affordable tools.
Motion pictures with sound are becoming more and more immediate in personal communications.  Teleconferencing is swiftly replacing the internet audio conversation (which had threatened to replace the long-distance telephone call).
The ability to record and edit with personal computers and distribute with the internet opens new doors for creative expression, even for those with no training in computers or art.  Like blogging, a new form of time-based, linear photojournalism is emerging.  It is democratic, often personal, and by forging new ground for video as art, it continues to challenge any definiton.
-rockhaus
that last paragraph makes me think of cyborglogging or "glogging".  sort of related.  not usually video, though, but images, like a photo blog from the author's-eye-view - Omegatron 11:20, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)
Organizations/links
Some of links on this page are artists' sites added for self-promotion and need to be removed. The suggested addition to the definition above is way too broad. A child using I-movie is not necessarily making video art. Video art is a specific art practice with a definite history. It has always been understood as a specialist practice - a small subset of video production. EZMoney
:I agree with both points. As for the second point, broadening the definition of video art so generally is like including fingerpainting in with painting (and I know an argument can be made for outsider art, but I don't think that's what was meant by the comments above on iMovie and schoolchildren. Let's keep the definition of video art within the history, but by all means include changes in technology as it is used by artists.Freshacconci 15:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested additions to definition 

message: This section needs weeding out and reworking. It's too long. Freshacconci 20:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of video art organizations 

message: Should we mention 200 Motels, Frank Zappa's movie? It was the first theatrically released film that was originally recorded on tape (VHS).
72.64.207.60 23:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  200 Motels 

message: nice one, 72.205.50.153, back in July last year - if a fictional video artist can survive in the list for ten months it suggests that either (a) everyone saw the joke and decided to leave it, (b) the page is incredibly neglected, or (c) the field is so esoteric that nobody realised he isn't real. Oh, how I *so* want it to be (c)... 121.220.11.225 (talk) 00:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What can you do? This page needs lots of work. Anyway, Mr. Harrington is now gone. Thanks for the heads-up. freshacconcispeaktome 02:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmmm 

message: Look man, you really seem to have no idea how to go about this in a schoolar and collective way - and I'm totally sorry to say that.
My contributions were adding Gabor Body, Infermental and Axis - the 80's (as a starting chapter)
which were not even mentioned on this page - which is like talking about baroque music without mentioning J. S. Bach :(
Infermental is not an "organization" - as you called it before deleting.
It's living art history - "wrote" in the 80's in present time continuous. It's not only a collection - since works of art wer not just collected but contributed. Well I also added a few lines about "what INFERMENTAL was NOT". It's really disappointing to see what you have done.
For anyone else's information: Infermental is practically as much as a short form of saying: "Video Art In The 80's from Berlin to Tokyo and Vancouver".
You already made a couply of mistakes: 
1. not even knowing about it
2. misunderstanding
3. deleting 
4. deleting it completely
I mean what is your goal?
even if Infermental had been only an "organization" as you imagine, 
deleting it saying "too much about one organization" is ridiculous
I mean what happened? 
you wrote a book and forgot to mention the 80's? and now you try to erease it from anywhere you get access to?
so: If you worked for a company I'd talk to your boss now and as for you I'd suggest that you
go and study the field a little bit before going wild deleting collective stuff (I can't beleive you did this)
my contribution also did introduce the 80's and the 90's which would only not make sense to someone who - I don't know .. who's just kidding?? Are you?
one thing you can take for granted:
80's will finally be in this page
Infermental will be in this page
90's will be in this page
prominent video artist's section will be edited - and some 50 more names will surely appear - and will appear properly - not like this - this "history in nutshell" style ...
and you know why?
not because 80's need it, not because 90's need it - but because WIKI needs it - because people need it'''
I'm not gonna repost what you just deleted ....
cause I believe in WIKI
but I'm gonna call some art historians to watch this page
and hopefully the work of many will overcome the distructions by a few
Jepe-cspv (talk) 08:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infermental and 80's - deleted by Freshacconci (???) 

message: I could have sworn Charlie Chaplin was making video art back in 1915, but this article says it started in 1970! I don't know what you call all video before then. 24.205.229.101 (talk) 08:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh 

message: I know that one of the myths is (as this article also states) that video art started when Paik recorded the Pope arriving in New York, using a Sony Portapak. The problem with this story is one of accuracy: the papal visit happened in October 1965, the Portapak was not released until 1967.
So the question is: if it wasn't a Portapak that Paik used, then what was it? 77.70.92.68 (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts vs mythology 

message: I have read through this page and agree that the writing and organization could be improved dramatically. Firstly, this article does not discuss video art work outside of the United states or earlier than the 1960's. I am also surprised that this article does not include any work past the 1990's, or at least does not have a header for it. I was thinking I could reorganize it by decade and add more information about artists from other countries and decades. 
Artists I plan to include:
Jan Svankmajer, Christian Marclay, Maya Duren, Charlie Chaplin, and others
Works from earlier than 1960's:
– An andalusian dog 1929 France by Salvador Dali and Luis Bunuel
-Meshes of the afternoon 1943 by Maya Duren
There are other artists and works I plan on including after I do some more research on them.
Here are my questions:
Does anyone think this information should/should not be included in this article?
Does anyone have any disputes on what is considered Video art and what is not
Should video works that document performance art be included in this article such as works by Marina Abramovic and Ulay, or by Francis Alys?
Treesssss (talk) 16:49, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Maya Duren and Meshes of the afternoon, Charlie Chaplin, Dali/Buñuel'sAn andalusian dog; these are filmmakers and films, not video. There is no video before 1960 aside from some precursor television art which isn't strictly video art. Cinema and video are two separate mediums and technologies and we can't just decide that something made in film is now video art. We can discuss influences of earlier films on video art. And in all of this we need to have solid sources. Video documentation of performance art is often considered part of video art as a whole, but again we have to follow what the sources say. We can't just write things based on our own assumptions and then try to find sources that "agree". I agree this article needs much work and that we need to globalize the scope beyond the US. The first step is to consult standard histories of video art and follow their example on timelines and so on. From there things can be expanded to include less represented areas, hybrid forms and so on. freshacconci (✉) 17:23, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Suggestions and Edits 

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