Talk:Asser

message: Are there any other famous people named Asser? Surely this doesn't need the "Bishop of Sherbourne" disambiguation, does it? Adam Bishop 02:59, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, as Asser is just a redirect here, logically it seems like we should move it. Everyking 02:29, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous comments

message: Since I never saw anything restricting editing to administrators, I rated this article for Project Catholicism.  If this was wrong, please fix it.  Also, if anyone wants to discuss this rating, please discuss here!  Thanks
JelloSheriffBob 04:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rating

message: Keynes and Lapidge say Alfred's estate was at Dean, Sussex; as far as I can tell this would be West Dean -- see this link.  However, West Dean, West Sussex is currently a red link, so this is just a note to keep an eye on that and make sure it links to the right thing eventually.  West Dean, West Sussex is linked from West Dean, which is a dab page.  Mike Christie (talk) 21:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've unlinked this for now to avoid the redlink, but I think it's the right link eventually.  Mike Christie (talk) 15:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Dean/Dean 

message: From Keynes & Lapidge, Asser says "Cynuit", and they translate it as Countisbury.  However, the Wikipedia entry for Battle of Cynuit redirects to Battle of Cannington, and modern Countisbury and modern Cannington are twenty or thirty miles apart -- the former is ten or so miles west of Minehead, on the coast, in Exmoor; the latter is north of Bridgwater, as far as I can tell.  This needs to be resolved. Mike Christie (talk) 22:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved ~ Battle of Cannington to Battle of Cynwit. Dzw49 (talk) 21:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cynuit/Countisbury/Cannington problem 

message: Another note to say that the "John of Asser" name is not mentioned in Keynes and Lapidge so it's going to need another source. Mike Christie (talk) 22:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done from Catholic Encyclopedia online; this appears to be about a hundred years old, based on the reference to Stevenson's 1904 edition being "announced".  It would be nice to get a modern reference to describe the differing historical uses of Asser's names. Mike Christie (talk) 11:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for "John of Asser" 

message: Keynes and Lapidge refer to a historical miscellany by Byrhtferth that includes sections of Asser's Life; this needs to be identified with a title and fixed in the text. Mike Christie (talk) 19:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed; it was Historia Regum. Mike Christie (talk) 13:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Byrhtferth 

message: I took out the 'needs infobox' tag; there's so little known about Asser that the infoboxes don't seem appropriate. Mike Christie (talk) 16:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: Lakers, could you give some specific places where you think sources are missing?  I'm pretty sure everything in the article is sourced. I have used the style where a citation does not appear in a paragraph until the end, if everything from a given paragraph is cited from that one source.  I can't find a reference here but I know I've seen that approach used to avoid cluttering every sentence with identical footnotes.  Anyway, let me know what you feel is needed.  Thanks.  Mike Christie (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was talking about the intro but thats really small, so I have removed it, thanks. Lakers 17:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: An anon just posted a paragraph about the unreliability of the source.  I don't mind adding more about this, but it needs to be sourced. Mike Christie (talk) 17:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims of forgery 

message: Sorry, this is an error. The Hebrew word "Asser אשר" (actually pronounced "Asher" in Hebrew) is best translated as "happy, satisfied". It is related to the word "Osher אושר" which means happiness.
I have edited the article accordingly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.80.68.90 (talk) 06:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I went back to the original source I used for this, Keynes and Lapidge's edition of Asser's Life.  Here's what they say: "In his treatise on the meaning of Hebrew names, St Jerome explains that the name "Asser" means "blessed" or "blessedness".  There is evidence that Jerome's treatise was studied with care in ninth-century Wales, and it is therefore perhaps significant that the meaning of the Hebrew name Asser corresponds exactly to that of the Welsh name Gwyn (Old Welsh Guinn).  A learned Welshman named Gwyn who had some familiarity with Jerome's treatise might well have adopted the name Asser in religion, at the time he was tonsured."  So the connection is that Gwyn means what Jerome said Asser means, not that it means what Asser actually means.  Perhaps also Asser meant something slightly different back then; the meanings of words do change.  Anyway, I'll change the text back to something with a little more detail to make it clear that it's Jerome who is responsible for the definition mentioned. Mike Christie (talk) 11:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Asser" is NOT Hebrew for "Blessed" 

message: I've left a note with the editor who added this material about Smyth's book, asking for sources.  If none are forthcoming I'll move the material here till sources can be found. Mike Christie (talk) 12:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on Smyth 

message: Are we sure about that? The Latin Library has de rebus gesti Aelfredi. — LlywelynII 13:25, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Latin title of the work

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Nothing about Alfred the Great's dream of a united England?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.16.173 (talk) 20:40, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about Asser, not Alfred, but if you have a source that talks about Alfred's goals in discussing Asser's Life, that would be useful. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:30, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dream? 

message: and  - I am disappointed in your reversions. By rejecting any mention of the statement in Lewis's's monumental work based on local research, you are denying "modern scholars" the opportunity to investigate whether the statement could have any substance. As you wish. Tony Holkham (Talk) 08:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are unfair on modern scholars if you assume that they will not have already have investigated the substance in Lewis's statement. It would have been repeated if they found any evidence to support it. It is in any case Wikipedia's function to provide a summary of the best of scholarship for the general public, not to report doubtful claims for investigation by experts, who probably only read Wikipedia on subjects outside their specialist area. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:21, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Dudley on both points. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 10:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree, on several points/assumptions, but will leave it there. Thank you both for responding. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samuel Lewis reference 

message: The part about his name is largely unsourced. Same for the map showing places he visited (:File:Asser map.png). A455bcd9 (talk) 15:36, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The original citation for the bit about his name got detached when the paragraph was split; I've re-added it.  I suspect the same citation will work for the map but will check later. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 15:54, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! A455bcd9 (talk) 15:57, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The placenames are now cited to Keynes & Lapidge; the Welsh kingdoms are cited to a map in Abels. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 17:57, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I've just added these sources to :File:Asser map.png on Commons as well. A455bcd9 (talk) 17:59, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
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