Talk:Night Watch (Lukyanenko novel)

message: This article is no longer about the russian novel, rather it is now about the English Translation, should this be moved/redirected to Night Watch (novel), i noticed that Day Watch and Dusk Watch have already been fixed but not this one? JavaByte 22:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Night Watch (novel) is about a more popular book. "(Russian novel)" is used as a disambiguation over "(Lukyanenko novel)" because it's a better disambiguator. —Fitch 18:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Night Watch (novel) ? 

message: I think that Twilight is a better translation of сумрак, even though the English DVD subtitles used the word Gloom. Twilight just sounds much nicer in English - сумрак is supposed to sound magical and mysterious, and I think Twilight is a much better word for this purpose. If you prefer the official movie version, feel free to change it back, though, I won't mind.
The rest of my changes were just corrections to grammar and spelling, such as forgotten "the"s and "a"s. -Lena
:Personally, I think "Gloom" gives a more sinister, menacing quality to the concept. While "Twilight" is a more accurate translation, "Gloom" is closer to how Сумрак was portrayed in the books --Strannik 19:41, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: My version in english uses Twilight, however looking up the various words in english I think both words are goos with each having part of the meaning as used in the books.  The idea of something which is obscured or hidden from sight is more closely associated with gloom in English.  Some dictionaries will list Gloom as the deepest part of 
twilight.  Additionally it sounds better as a "thing to be summoned" to my (American English) ear.  However there is a sort of dark, sinister or depressed connotation to gloom that twilight does not have, and which is not really present in the book.  Personally given the way the movie was changed form the book in order to make a movie that glooom was the right choice for the movie and twilight the right choice for the book.  But that is just my on personal taste in things. Dalf | Talk 00:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twilight or Gloom? 

message: Not an edit, but a question, is there an Enlish version of a trilogy? Have the books been translated?  If yes, where can i buy them?
Lena
*I am sorry, Lena, but as of right now, the answer is "no". As of right now, an unnamed western publisher is holding negotiations with Sergey Lukyaninko, the author of the trilogy, but so far, nothing happened. If the movie is officially released in United States, it might change, so keep your fingers crossed. --Strannik 00:29, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  English version 

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*Any chance we can find out what the company in question is? I, for one, am not terribly eager to give out my personal information to a mysterious party with an e-mail address from a free service provider. --Strannik 03:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Looking for authors!

message: Does it lists chars from first book only or from all four?
In first case, Svetlana shouldn't be called Grand Sorceress, nor Kostya was the High Vampire by the end of NW. If the list is for chars of all Watches, it should also include Nadya, Edgar, Arina, Vitaly Rogoza, Alisher, Thomas Lermont and probably, even Merlin.
*Hey, I only gave them generic designations without mentioning their power levels. I have no idea why that was changed. That said, I think the character descriptions should describe the characters as they appeared in Night Watch book. The pages dealing with the Day Watch, Twilight Watch and Last Watch should cover their developments in each respective book. --Strannik 19:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Наши сознания держатся в чужих  телах лишь  благодаря энергии, затраченной Борисом Игнатьевичем... Гесером.
Does this mean that Geser is his surname? No, and no other mention of B. I. & Geser in the same sentence in all four books. Darth MaxSem ☠ 16:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of characters 

message: Why exactly are these books classified here as being science fiction? Modern fantasy would be far more apt. Heptapod 05:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because some people have a problem differentiating between the two. Personally, I find it easy: monsters, magic - fantasy; advanced technology, spaceships, aliens - sci-fi. Crosses exist but are few. Chronolegion 15:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Science Fiction? 

message: According to the ISFDB page, Miramax-Weinstein is going to release an edition of Night Watch in July. I assume it will be a translation, but is this true? What exactly is going on? I am hoping I will be able to read the book without having to learn Russian :-). Golwengaud 22:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: I don't think Tiget Cub's fate should be mentioned in this article, as it has nothing to do with the first novel. There is an article for the Day Watch novel, where this is mentioned. Chronolegion 15:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiber Cub 

message: While the movie used "Zavulon", the English translation of the book used "Zabulon." On his blog, Lukyaninko said that he regarded the latter as the proper translation, as it was the English version of the name of the original inspiration behind the character's name. We should probably change it accordingly--Strannik 19:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not aware of that. I don't object to the name change, then. However, I think "Zavulon" should also be included, so as not to confuse anyone. Chronolegion 19:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No prob. I'm going to look through blog archives and add the entry in question to sources--Strannik 18:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zabulon vs Zavulon 

message: I just read the translated version of the novel I bought in New Zealand, and the Gloom is refered to as the twilight. Has it been translated differently in other parts of the world? Should the article refelect this difference? Sabine's Sunbird  talk 01:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twilight vs Gloom, again 

message: Should the article only include Gloom information that is present in the first book (e.g. the exact number of levels, what the 7th level really is, who was the "ghost")? Chronolegion 11:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: +1, i also don't think the article should contain storyline elements from the following books as these have articles of their own JavaByte 21:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, someone seems to have added the entire information on Gloom from all books here. Thanks a bunch! Now who's gonna want to read the last book? Could someone, at least, put a "spoilers" tag on that or something? Chronolegion 11:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gloom Details 

message: I believe the information regarding Anton's exposure to "Fuaran" should be cut from the article. This belongs in the third book's article, not here. Chronolegion 15:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anton's Level 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:NewNightWatchcover.jpg

message: Most of the article deals with the Night Watch universe, including a lot of info that doesn't come into play until later books.  A new general article should be created to cover that subject.  This article hardly contains any info about the plot of the book at all.  If no one disagrees, I'll step forward and add that like I did to Day Watch (novel).  Thanks! - Richfife 19:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article should probably be refactored 

message: I wrote the plot summaries for the three stories and the ending, where Olga rewrote someone else's destiny (we don't know whose destiny it was so far, because it hasn't been revealed in this book) was edited by an unnamed user who mentioned it was her own.
Now I'm a little confused here, please help me out. If I remember, the destiny Olga rewrote was Svetlana's, she adjusted the day of birth of her future child to make the child a Light Messiah. But the user states Olga rewrote her own destiny to have her powers restored. Those who still remember, please, could you say who is right?
* Изначально в книге идет намек что она просто очистила судьбу Егора. Вернула её на уровень когда он не склоняется ни к Свету, ни к Тьме. что же было на самом деле станет известно в следущих книгах. 
I'm sorry! My english level is very badly. because I used translater.(Initially in the book there is a hint that it has simply cleared Egor's destiny. Has returned it on a level when it is not declined neither to Light, nor to Darkness. That was actually it becomes known in following books). lexo from Hero-Moscow, Russian Federation  83.167.98.19 (talk) 08:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whose destiny Olga rewrote? 

message: I have only read night watch so these points may be wrong, Olga is an ex-great sorcoress and had most of her powers removed after she did something wrong, I think Boris says Svetlana is potentially more powerful than him so doesn't that mean he's not a grand magician, in tiger cubs description it says animals are scared of others but I think in the book it says they are scared of dark ones but like light ones, for dark others someone could add about Alisas partner who dies (forgotten his name)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.219.167 (talk) 15:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits I think should be made

message: The article states that Egor is low lvl "His potential mage level is very low (6 or 7)." Yes in the first book his power was increast by Gesar to make him seem like a very powerful magician. I don't remember if it was stated out right in the text about his level but I do remember Gesar saing at one point that "most don't even get what he got". This would indicate that Egor would have the potential for a 3 or 4 level.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.98.98.98 (talk) 15:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egors level? 

message: The current article states that "Shapeshifters seem to choose one animal type for their transformations". Yet in Day Watch, Alisa is driven to the resort by a shapeshifter who tells her that he dislikes his form because it is that of a herbivore lizard, with flat teeth unsuited for attacks. This implies that shapeshifters have no say in the kind of animal they transform into.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:F5:873B:CB01:D109:E243:3B10:6371 (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shapeshifter have no choice