Talk:Intelligent vehicle technologies

message: Thank you.  Please express 'formal tone' or contribute to the article. 
Employing a 'formal tone' on Intelligent vehicle technologies article would make it difficult for common folk to easily comprehend. I have deleted a very good article (Self-recording golf ball, golf ball cup, and reading device) I created because people did not understand it - later I was accused of vandalizing the article I deleted. 
Please note contributions from the author (and other Wikipedians) continue to expound on the article and its contents - it also has been suggested to merge the contents of Intelligent vehicle technologies, and Emergency warning system for vehicles with Telematics. --Lperez2029 18:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Formal Tone

message: Based upon additional contributions made and the 'informal' nature of the article, I am removing the 'formal tone' notice. Thank you. --Lperez2029 14:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Formal tone

message: I removed the LBS and Applocation links form Intelligent vehicle technologies article because they do not relate to or reflect intelligent automotive safety technologies -- while the information contained in these web sites seem valuable and informative perhaps they are better suitable for inclusion to the Telematics, or Vehicle tracking articles. Thank you. --Lperez2029 (talk) 16:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: LBS Links

message: the article seems to be boring to the point of purposeful crafting.  almost as if it's not meant to be interesting and, therefore, not read.  very few articles on wikipedia are this uniquely interesting while being incomprehensibly boring.    Aceholiday (talk) 01:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben Stein wrote this article 

message: I added some sections to try to make the article more accessible, but the article needs a lot more work.  It's very difficult to understand as written.  I simply don't have enough background to do more. JimVC3 (talk) 22:29, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sections

message: NOTICE: Intelligent Vehicle Technologies article was deleted by, and at the request of the Author/Owner. Lperez2029 (talk) 10:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As you yourself mention at the top of this talk page, "Please note contributions from the author (and other Wikipedians) continue to expound on the article and its contents" — other editors have made substantial edits to the article as well.  For this reason, it does not fit the criteria of WP:CSD#G7.  If you would like to see it deleted you will have to nominate it for deletion using the Articles for Deletion process.  ... discospinster talk 02:21, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

text: What is it a copyright of? In other words, where was it pasted from? tedder (talk) 14:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please take Notice 

message: I have decided to allow the page to remain on wikipedia. After consultation with my attorney, there is no violation of trademark [Intelligent Vehicle Technologies], provided crystal clear notice that the use of the phrase is a proprietary trademark of Luis Perez. Intelligent Vehicle Technologies is original and unique, and the page will further serve to educate the general public in the use of telematic safety systems I have invented. I would like to thank wp admins for their support and for diligently protecting the page.  Lperez2029
:Please continue to recognize that Luis Perez does not own this page, and no legal threats should be made on Wikipedia. tedder (talk) 20:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Intelligent Vehicle Technologies to remain

message: Wikipedia WP:EL policy -- "Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any." IVT site is the official reference to the article. Furthermore, the primary objective of the site is not commercial advertisement but to promote knowledge -- the engineering services back up the product for design application, which if you read further you will see that the technology is innovative in nature and therefore custom design work -- the information is purely educational, and we prove this by backing up the patent claims with 'actual functional engineering solutions that work'. Need more? Still not convinced? Look at IBM article and then see there the 'official web site' at the bottom -- look at hundreds of others. Per wikipedia policy. there is nothing wrong with its inclusion. Of interest to you may be the fact that the intelligent vehicle technologies article was reviewed and scrutinized by at least by one intelligence professional (who happens to write well referenced beautiful articles) and a patent lawyer who's an active wikepedian to name a few -- would you think they would have the same concerns as you have if there was a problem? It is WP policy that justifies their inclusion not whimsical idealism, therefore the links remain. While I appreciate you fervent support of the project, this is not a game of win or lose - it is policy that prevails. 
Lperez2029
:The article on IBM is about IBM the company, not a concept that happens to be called IBM. Is this an article about IVT the company, or about the concept of IVT? I re-added the external link but changed the proper noun, since the article appears to be about the concept. Articles on Wikipedia are a work in progress, including this one. Just because it's been reviewed (by whom?) doesn't mean it's perfect. The lack of references is especially an issue. Also, please ensure you are signed in and use four tildes to sign your posts, as it will give the proper date to them. tedder (talk) 20:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You can leave it be, but it needs to continue to evolve. tedder (talk) 01:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha- I didn't realize this was accompanied with a revert. Why is it that you want the version to be perfectly what you left? The page needs much improvement. It's about the concept of "intelligent vehicle technologies", not a company named "Intelligent Vehicle Technologies". There are zero inline citations, which is a large red flag. tedder (talk) 01:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

text: So do you want to discuss why you reverted my last edits, then? Can you help find reliable neutral sources for the article? tedder (talk) 01:57, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: , you reserve no rights to unilaterally control content found on this page.  See the section below. OlYeller21Talktome 02:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia WP:EL policy 

message: I've been alerted to an issue on this talk page via WP:COIN.
First off, the intellectual property owner of the term "Intelligent vehicle technologies" has no more say here than any other editor.  Fair use under US law states that, "the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."
It seems that  feels that they somehow have ownership over the contents of this article based on their misunderstanding of  and lack of understanding as to what owning IP entitles them to.  Perhaps an example will illuminate the situation.  Ford has no control over what a newspaper writes about it, a TV show says about it, and what a Wikipedia article (or any encyclopedia) states about it.  This is of course unless the statements are libelous and therefore false and damaging to the entity being covered, then they have the right to compensation.
This ownership will no longer be tolerated and such comment as this and this will not be tolerated.
, I should also warn you that making legal threats here is also prohibited and will result in you being immediately and indefinitely blocked from editing all of Wikipedia.
I'm confident that we can move on from this and create an article that everyone is happy with.  , do you understand that you were incorrect, that you do not own the content found in this article and have no more say regarding its contents than any other editor? If not, I suspect that you will soon be blocked or banned from editing. OlYeller21Talktome 02:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intellectual property and ownership 

message: The preceding announcement is deemed unintelligible. Lperez2029 (talk) 03:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look past the assumption of bad faith that I'm a sock puppet and ask that you attempt to read it again.  Maybe your attorney can help you understand what "Fair Use" means.  If this is your official response to my question above, I'm going to suggest that you be blocked or banned from editing this topic. OlYeller21Talktome 03:34, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sock Puppet? 

message: has been indefinitely blocked from editing WP due to violation WP:NLT.  I feel that at this point, we can move on to the next step and determine the notability of this subject and the article that this article seems to have forked from (Intelligent transportation system).  We may also need to determine if this article is exclusively about a concept or about a company that goes by the same name. OlYeller21Talktome 21:39, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving forward 

message: :I have looked at this article, and the talk pages, and there are several problems. Apparently this article was created actually as a company article and the result was the creation (at the time) of a new term. Although articles were, and I suspect still are, created using external links only as a source or reference, this practice is not supported by any Wikipedia:policies and guidelines. 
*1)- Notability: A lack of WP:NOTABILITY became apparent from the start and was noted 30 July 2012. The article has two tags, since Feb. 2009 and Dec. 2010, and this will not likely change. 
*2)- Article name: The Intelligent Vehicle Technology Transfer (IVTT) Program states, "The IVTT Program will: serve as a  central knowledge base for intelligent vehicle technology". The title uses the company named plural "technologies" rather than singular "technology", which is part of intelligent vehicle systems.The terminology, corresponding to the title name, apparently has not become common since the article creation in 2006.
:If the company would have become notable this article could be transformed into such a company article. There is a book by the title name but this article is not about the book.
:I have only found two references to the name, so this article needs to be merged somewhere or deleted. Otr500 (talk) 13:22, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article problems