Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement

message: There has been quite a bit of coverage of plans of the LDS church to release a new hymnal. Feelings for whether there is enough information to make a "Next LDS Hymnal" article? Wikipedia does have articles for Next general elections in various countries, where there is information that applies regardless of when the next election is called (and must be called by 2026, for example). I'm not sure there are any for "Next editions of books". If it isn't enough, then I guess a dedicated section in the 1985 hymnal article?Naraht (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the core collection will be available next year, and because there are sufficient independent sources about it, I'd say it's not too early for an article about this. I'd suggest that the article title match the name of the collection, which will be "HymnsFor Home and Church". Jgstokes (talk) 21:13, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

text: The Newsroom would probably be the most likely reflection of the actual name of the new volume. The other two sources may have had unintentional typos. The Salt Lake Tribune uses the same no-space hyphenation as the Newsroom release, so there's an independent source confirming that. Jgstokes (talk) 00:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next Hymnal 

message: While the references to show notability should be external to the church, (I'm just *fine* hanging notability on the Salt Lake Tribune, anyone who considers the Trib to be a primary source on Church information couldn't spell the name of the state if you gave them the U, T & A).
However, it determining the title, I'd prefer church sources. The problem is that they don't appear to be consistent.
* Hymns—for Home and Church   *  https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/sacred-hymnbook-to-help-unite-uplift-latter-day-saints-of-all-ages-worldwide 
* Hymns — for Home and Church *  https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2023/9/29/23883530/new-church-hymnbook-unify-members-bring-spirit-into-homes
* Hymns– for Home and Church * https://kslnewsradio.com/2045793/new-hymnbook-from-church-of-latter-day-saints/
I guess we go with the first, the newsroom announcement. The newsroom announcement is with an em-dash with no spaces around the dash. Does that fit article title requirements?Naraht (talk) 13:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Newsroom would probably be the most likely reflection of the actual name of the new volume. The other two sources may have had unintentional typos. The Salt Lake Tribune uses the same no-space hyphenation as the Newsroom release, so there's an independent source confirming that. Jgstokes (talk) 00:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Title Dashes and spaces

message: Draft:Hymns—for Home and Church has been created. I'll let it simmer for a bit, please comment on improvements or issues.Naraht (talk) 03:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Draft Created

message: Hello all! I am looking at expanding M. Wells Jakeman but am having a hard time finding good secondary and tertiary sources other than obits. Any ideas? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There are four sources listed but not cited to in the Sources section of that page. Those look like a good place to start. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 09:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with sources for M. Wells Jakeman  

message: Book of Mormon monetary system is the subject of an AFD. Naraht (talk) 20:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project related AFD 

message: The article on Laban has this at the end of the section on the the Brass Plates.
"James Strang's alleged translation of the Book of the Law of the Lord asserts that it largely consists of the Brass Plates of Laban."
I see no reason that James Strang and the Brass Plates should be treated any differently than Joseph Smith and the Golden ones. Suggestions for how to give parallelism there (specifically avoiding alleged)?Naraht (talk) 23:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: oooh that's my bad. I can rewrite that. Thanks for catching that, I was trying so hard to avoid making it take a side that I accidentally made it antagonistic to Strang. BenBeckstromBYU (talk) 23:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

text: If you wouldn't mind taking a look, I think I made it better. Got rid of "alleged," and added "claimed" for both Strang and Smith as well as about what the Book of the Law of the Lord says that it is. I'm open to further suggestions on improvement. BenBeckstromBYU (talk) 23:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking for parallelism 

message: There is a discussion at Template talk:Book of Mormon#Content in this template that is redundant with other templates that may interest participants in this Wikiproject. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 18:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion about [[Template:Book of Mormon]] 

message: I have been going through a lot of articles related to Mormonism and I am finding a peculiar turn of phrase "advent of Jesus" showing up a lot. It's a completely intelligible phrase, of course, and famously in many Christian liturgical calendars refers to a season prior to Christmas, but in the context of certain historical claims it reads pretty unusual and I believe it may be a Mormonism that has crept in to articles mentioning such things. Is this a thing in Mormon circles? Does anyone recognize what I'm talking about?
I think we should avoid this phraseology and just refer to things like "birth of Jesus" or "life of Jesus of Nazareth" etc. as those seem to be more typical in non-Mormon literature and our own articles.
jps (talk) 11:04, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Advent is more a Christian-ism than a Mormon-ism. The LDS Church doesn't institutionally observe the Advent season (it's possible some Mormons privately do so, on their own). If you see "advent of Jesus" on a Mormon studies article, I bet I added it to de-Mormon-ize the language (a more Mormon turn of phrase would be "coming of Jesus" or "birth of Jesus") and express "a temporal setting that would have been before there was a Jesus and before there historically speaking would have been the idea of a Jesus". Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 15:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "Birth of Jesus" is far preferable to "advent of Jesus". I don't think "advent" is really a thing in Mormonism, and we shouldn't be using Christian jargon like that anyway for a broad audience. ~Awilley (talk) 02:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

text: "Advent of Jesus" would be a pretty obscure usage in Christian literature as well. Maybe in liturgies, but that is certainly not a style choice we would typically adopt at Wikipedia. jps (talk) 02:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using the term "advent" for birth of Jesus in LDS articles 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (FARMS).  Levivich (talk) 17:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[:Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (FARMS)|Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard §&nbsp;Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (FARMS)]]

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I don't know what the solution is for this, but I think this is probably in violation of WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Or maybe not. Anyway, there is the discussion started.
jps (talk) 23:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion at RSN 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Capital punishment#Requested move 1 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Capital punishment#Requested move 1 April 2024]]