Talk:Syed Ali Shah Geelani

message: Can anyone change :File:Syed.jpg to :File:Syedaligeelani (cropped).jpg as it is a better close shot image of Syed Ali Geelani as compared to currently used image in article.59.103.206.64 (talk) 06:45, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2021 

message: See above.2601:18C:4302:85A0:8584:48AE:EE06:E463 (talk) 22:59, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Kautilya3 deleting comments without justification 

message: Recently there have been two conflicting requests at WP:RMTR to move the page: one by  (to Ali Shah Geelani) and one by  to move it back to Syed Ali Shah Geelani, stating that  I do not have an opinion either way, just returned to status quo in the administrative capacity. Should anyone want to proceed, please open a formal WP:RM so that we solicit broader opinion and evidence on the matter. Thank you. No such user (talk) 10:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: the page was moved by an administrator, i dont think you should be reverting his move, so please first place the page title where the administrator had put, then we will start a RM discussion. Pyaarkarona (talk) 10:08, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Pyaarkarona it was moved by Anthony Appleyard on your explicit request because you claimed it was uncontroversial. Since someone else requested moving it back (with a reasonable explanation), it apparently is controversial, and the proper procedure is to move it back to the previous state. Please open a regular WP:RM request, which is expressly designed to allow a structured discussion among multiple editors. Administrators are not police on Wikipedia. No such user (talk) 10:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  i dont know why i feel :WP:NPOV is violated here, see an ip address reuqest to revert the name change in just 4 minutes of change, the ip address is of iceland, i dont how the people of iceland have interest in a figure, totally centric to kashmir, india and pakistan. then in another 2-3 minutes the ip address's sham request got acceptance, dont you feel something is wrong here, i have cited three policies in my reason of move, and a random ip address just say a random line  without citing anything, how can you take that this random line as proof/reference, knowing that this ip user hasn't even quoted a single policy or any article, this clearly shows you have some vested interest here, this is just my feeling, i think i have to investigate or a admin intervention is needed here, what say , see if you have any vested interest, then please leave by obeying to :WP:NPOV, if you dont have any vested interest and my whole assumption is just a co-incident the feel free to tell me. Pyaarkarona (talk) 13:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You have not quoted a single reliable source yourself when you asked for move of this article. Your appeals to Wikipedia policies do not mean that you understood them. And please stop this conspiracy theory: have you even tried https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ali%20Shah%20Geelani%22 : the IP's statement that  is true. No such user (talk) 14:01, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) NW1223(Howl at me|My hunts) 14:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Syed Ali Shah Geelani →  – Current title violates WP:TITLESINTITLES, WP:NPOV, MOS:HONORIFICs and also proposed name is valid under WP:COMMONNAME. Pyaarkarona (talk) 10:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

text: i just can't understand how a very "senior" editor like you can put this type of argument, you clearly have this idea that in this case of honorific titles you can find many web article which are using "syed" word, and i can also find many article without "syed" so how can this be a reliable reference, please see wikipedia's own article Syed Ali (name) it clearly says: syed is totally a honorific title and MOS:HONORIFICs apply here. Pyaarkarona (talk) 13:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And where did you get the idea that his WP:COMMONNAME is "Ali Shah Geelani"? You haven't produced a single source to that effect, let alone "many". All major news outlets refer to him as "Syed Ali Shah Geelani" or  "Syed Ali Geelani". That includes all the news from India, the country whose policies he opposed, which would probably be the first to exclude honorifics. No such user (talk) 13:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: by reading your comment, can i conclude that you are saying "Shah" is honorific title and proposed title should be changed to "syed Ali Geelani"?? Pyaarkarona (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

text: , You move request seems disobeying WP:COMMON. Try to search Wikipedia and you will find many people with "Syed". See also Sayyid (name) and this. A question: How many mainstream news sources are supporting your move request? It seems "Syed Ali Geelani" or "Ali Geelani" is unknown to sources as well as general public as no body knows about "Syed Ali Geelani" or "Ali Geelani". Every source knows him as Syed Ali Shah Geelani. Your request seems opposing WP:COMMON. Also, you haven't answered why you think it violates WP:TITLESINTITLES, WP:NPOV, MOS:HONORIFICs? Just saying  do not convince me.
WP:TITLESINTITLES:  ​
"Syed" is neither Her Majesty, or His Holiness, His Excellency, Sir, Professor, Madam, etc., but it is a given name used by some families in India and Pakistan. However, if you think "Syed" is never used as a given name in India and Pakistan, then you should also read MOS:HONORIFIC as it reads . Please see WP:NPOVTITLE. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 4 October 2021 

message: I've made changes to the article. Geelani was never chairman of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, when Hurriyat split Mohammad Abbas Ansari was the chairman .
In addition, Geelani quit as chairman of his Tehreek-e-Hurriyat faction in March 2018 and appointed Ashraf Sehrai in his place, while still de-facto running that party.  
Sehrai would be elected as the permanent chairman in August 2018.  
Any reports claiming Geelani was chairman of TeH up until 2020 are wrong and contrary to reality.  Drokanus (talk) 09:54, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: But he headed the "Geelani faction" of the APHC, right? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

text: I think your edits are good. Thanks for fixing! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes you are right, I made a mistake and misinterpreted the sources. That has been fixed. Drokanus (talk) 05:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  My changes