Talk:History of modern Greece

message: Close, D. H.  (2002).  Greece since 1945. Great Britain. Pearson Education Limited.
Koliopoulos, Giannes.  (2002).  Greece: A Modern Sequel.  New York.  New York Printing Press.
Pirounakis, N. G., (1997) The Greek Economy: Past, Present and Future.  England.  Macmillan Press.  
198.189.57.10 (talk) 05:38, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: how does the article rate now? Is it still bad or can it count as a reasonable source of information? Reynaert-ad 19:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Papadopoulos was not a CIA agent.  And all this Greek foreign relations info (Greco-American here, such as whether the US downplayed allegations) is a bit tangential. VV 05:07, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: It is tangential. A claim such as that Papadopoulos was a CIA agent should be placed in an article about Papadopoulos himself or the junta, where there's enough room for it to be disputed with other sources or not. Detailed comments about how much America supported or not the regime likewise belongs in a page about the regime itself, along with information about the junta's relationship with Europe, the Greek orthodox church, Cyprus, and so forth. (For example I consider the Greek church's support for the junta much more significant than the Americans' -- but I wouldn't want it added in *this* article either). You have an Americanocentric view, but this is a synopsis of the history of modern Greece. There's no space to insert disputed or irrelevant TANGENTIAL information that do nothing but intentionally turn Wikipedia into nothing but a polemic against the USA. Aris Katsaris 19:15, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Papadopoulos being a Nazi collaborator is tangential here because what he did in the 1940s doesn't seem to have direct influence to the coup. As for Papadopoulos being a CIA agent, I haven't seen clear proof of that as yet. Disputed pieces of information should be left out of such synopses and taken to more appropriate pages. Aris Katsaris 16:10, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Clinton didn't apologize for the coup d'etat, he apologised for America's support of the junta. It has been shown that America didn't instigate this coup -- for example I believe that the colonels surrounded an American military base, until they got a reassurance that the Americans wouldn't interfere with their coup. Afterwards the USA supported the dictatorship. But as I said, so did in effect the Greek church. Sure it was still criminal of USA, this support of theirs to the colonels -- but there was no direct cause-effect to the coup itself like what I believe happened with Brazil. Aris Katsaris 16:10, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: The links to foreign versions of this page are relevant.  As are the Amnesty International reports as are Philip Deane's comments. Ruy Lopez 22:05, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The foreign links still exist.  For the others, see my and AK's comments above. VeryVerily 22:56, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  greece 

message: There's no mention of Lambrakis or EDA in this article!!! Etz Haim 12:10, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grigoris Lambrakis 

message: User:213.5.97.8 seems to be having a bit of fun fudging around with articles and not telling anybody. some of his changes seem to be shady. check out the history to see what i mean.
Project2501a 21:18, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted his/her changes. Apart from pushing POV, suggesting that there could be an article that depicts specifically the "right" views of the Civil War, as an opposition to the current article, is simply out of the question. The VfD has a long history of cases similar to this. If one thinks an article is not balanced, then creating an article that reflects his way in of thinking and that is POV by definition ("the right view"...) is not the answer. He should discuss its contents and edit the article to NPOV through collaboration and consensus. Etz Haim 22:14, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  User:213.5.97.8 insists on injecting his POV into the article. I think he should first ought to register and then we can talk about it the talk page... Project2501a 16:57, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: He also went on to create an article called Greek Civil War the right wing view, in disregard of what I've said above. Now it's on the VfD. Etz Haim 18:18, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:213.5.97.8 

message: I think it is wrong to use the term Slav-Macedonians when we talk about the "struggle for Macedonia" at the beginning of the century. The people of the region were either pro-exarchic (the bulgarian religious authority) or pro-patriarchate (the Greek religious authority). There are not reports on Slav-Macedonians on contemporary Ottoman or European newspapers.Newcomer 08:15, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Slav-Macedonians at the beginning of the century 

message: This page shows a map of the territory Greece gained in 1913. It shows that Greece's land area approximately doubled. This page is one of many giving area and population figures. This research took approxomately two minutes. I recommend research before reversion. Adam 03:25, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Greece's enlargement in 1913

message: I also recommend research before reversion.How exactly do you claim that 50000 Albanians were expelled from Greece after WW2?On an Albanian site?Or just because some Albanian nationalist reverted this number gives you the right to justify his claims?Odysseas
Dear Adam,you continue to revert the number of Albanians expelled from greece after WW2,without giving any reason.As I have said before the number was reverted from an unknown editor to reach 50000
and you continue to defent this number without providing explenations.Odysseas 20:06, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationalism 

message: Michalis Famelis 1 July 2005 13:30 (UTC) I have created an article on the Junta of the Colonels. Anyone interested to help?
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Papadopulos was in KYP, greek counterinteligence, which shared offices with CIA in greece. He at some point also worked as liason between the two organisations. My understanding of the coup is that it was supported or at least that there was support for it in the CIA. The american embassy in athens was ignorant of this coup and I belive also opposed to the kings plan for a coup (different one). Washington I belive was favorable or at least accepting of the kings and generals coup but ignorant of the colonels coup, as indead was everyone except, I belive, CIA. What is certain is that the CIA knew and sent a report to washington about the colonels group and the fact that they where planing a coup. But then they sent no more rapports about this group in the two following months prior to the coup.
So Washington was favorable or at least not against the kings coup coup, the embassy was againt all coups and the CIA was favorable or at least not against the colonels coup. The greek church knew nothing ;)
But no matter what there was going to be a coup. America could not tolerate a leftist governement. The king could not tolerate a governement wanting to lessen his power. The military could not tolerate a cleansing of ultrarightwing elements from the army. The resignation of Papapandreou two years, I belive, earlier was because the king refused him to take over the ministry of defence. However, the only factor that could have stopped the colonels coup, and thus probably make the coup of the king happen instead, was the CIA. Sorry for the lack of sources, I am using a compendium from the University of Copenhage which has several texts on the subject. Ptalatas 02:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Junta 1967 -1974 

message: I recently read about the  French bombardment of Athens from the Princess Alice of Battenberg article, and went poking around through the WWI articles looking for more information until i eventually stumbled onto this page from history of greece.  It might be nice create more links here from appropriate places in the WWI articles as it seems like this little episode has been entirley left out.  I know, I know, I should just go ahead and do it (and i might latter), but this has sucked up too much of my time allready.  Just leaving a note in case anyone else wants a project.--john.james (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Greece in WWI

message: In the map caption....is that a typo or deliberate?  There's nothing in the Democratic Army of Greece article I can see that has the 'g'.....and why should that have quotation marks around it?Skookum1 (talk) 12:26, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Demogratic Army"? 

message: I note the passage about the US taking over from Britain in terms of supporting the anti-communist side, but see no citation for that; reason I came here was to check for a cite for this removal, as to whether such a citation might be here; that strikes me as censorship if it's true....someone here might be able to provide one there.Skookum1 (talk) 12:28, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Marines in 1947? 

message: Consideration, a Greek invention, favoured the creation of a class of small-medium contractors on one hand and settled the housing system and property status on the other. What does that mean? How is consideration a Greek invention? Is it a name for a specifically Greek economic policy, or just florid language that needs to be rewritten for objectivity and clarity? --176.6.126.165 (talk) 12:46, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That was someone's attempt to translate "antiparochi" using Google Translate. Needless to say, it failed. I've rewritten the relevant part, thanks for pointing it out. Constantine   ✍  15:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Consideration" in the construction business? 

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message: If you look at the "anti-americanism" page preview it says "stupid donner 60 get a life", whatever that means. I don't know how to edit page previews so someone else do it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9001:4F01:F800:38E7:BB39:54A1:72A8 (talk) 12:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page preview needs fixed 

message: Following 'Transition and Democracy' was the header 'Oligarchic dictatorship era 2009–.' I could not find any basis for this header, the content beneath is primarily on the Greek economic crisis and information on recent Greek governments. From what information is available, it seems like an unfounded claim that the current Greek government, post-2009, constitutes an oligarchy or a dictatorship. This should probably be changed? 
Assuming so, I have temporarily changed it to 'Greek Government and Economic Crisis (2009-)' as a placeholder for a more experienced editor to correct if need be. So as not to cause redundant section headings I have also changed the subheading from 'Economic crisis (2009–2018)' to 'Government-Debt Crisis (2009-2018).' RunicBarrel (talk) 10:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with an Unsourced Heading ('Oligarchic Dictatorship')