Talk:Pioneer Valley

message: Admittedly, I live I Franklin county, but I thought that aside from the Barnes & Noble in Hadley, the largest bookstores in Hampshire county were the tow-store local Raven chain and the giant, but one store Odyssey.
I won't contradict you without further information, since I'm only familiar with the downtowns of Noho, Amherst, SHadley and the Hadley Malls, but where, praytell?
--Quintucket 21:37, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Several Large Bookstores?

message: The "valley women" section is absolute garbage. It's original research and is unverifiable. I'm not going to break the 3 revert rule by removing it, but I need to express my opinion of the section here. It is totally unsuitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, which requires that authors submit verifiable material. Rhobite 01:10, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: here as a result of RfC.  I Agree w/ Rhobite and rv'd accordingly--FRS 02:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very much so.  RGTraynor 08:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur, with the proviso that if there were such a stereotype and if it were widespread (referenced in crass newspaper editorials, unkind talk shows, distasteful comedy routines, etc.) it could possibly be included if good, verifiable source citations were provided. Did I qualify that enough? I mean, "little old ladies in tennis shoes" is real enough to have become the title of a play. What was there was, however, exactly as Rhobite characterizes it, should definitely be removed, and should not be reinserted. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: yah- definatley remove Sethie 23:22, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

text:  Agreed. The Valley Women section is unsourced and, even if there were citations supporting it, nevertheless unencyclopedic. IronDuke 20:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valley women 

message: *"Over the last three decades the archetype of the "Valley Woman" has emerged." - no it hasn't. Please cite a mainstream use of this term.
*"These Valley Women are generally extremely liberal in their political views since many of them grew up during the 1960's" - conjecture
*"It is not uncommon for them to sport natural grey hair, sometimes in the form of a mullet, and on occasion accented with a rat tail." - juvenile and uncited, sweeping generalization
*"Valley Women are often found driving Subarus plastered in political bumper stickers." - sweeping generalization
*"They also often congregate at the Whole Foods Market in Hadley" - sweeping generalization
*"Valley Women are undeniably a cultural phenomenon of the Pioneer Valley" - if they are a 'cultural phenomenon' there have been articles written about them. Rhobite 02:01, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed. The Valley Women section is unsourced and, even if there were citations supporting it, nevertheless unencyclopedic. IronDuke 20:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed

message: I admit that there are plenty of cultural niches I don't follow, but to have the primary cultural breakdowns be Art, Bookstores, and Gaming is not what I'd call a fair representation. "Art" as a broad grouping is fair -- the area's undeniably rich in the arts. The area is well-known in New England, at least, for its many bookstores. Their presence is almost a tourist magnet. But I have a hard time believing that "Gaming" is nearly pervasive enough a part of culture to merit top-level categorization within "Culture." Music should be there, and more could fit.
I'm not denigrating game-playing, but it is not a defining characteristic of the Valey. If one wants it to be, then just saying it is in a Wikipedia article is not where one ought to start.18.173.1.42 18:03, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm an avid RPG and board gamer myself, and I agree; it's a fringe activity at best, indulged in by a mere fraction of the population.  RGTraynor 19:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Gaming?

message: The Five Colleges are mentioned (and now listed) twice for Hampshire County.  Actually I think I prefer the second way (listed under "Culture" instead of "Demographics"), but as it is now it's redundant.  Other opinions? Stev0 06:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education 

message: I hate picking on something that took effort from someone else, especially when I'm not in the position to fix it myself through a general lack of expertise or aesthetic/artistic skill.  However, the colors on the map really should be changed.  I see no orange, unless the large yellow part is in fact the orange listed in the caption, in which case, the yellow is missing.  Choosing a peach color for the map generally, then orange, yellow, pink etc. just adds to the inability to tell things apart.  Please choose bold contrasting colors.  Black, red, blue, green, orange, white, and even an appropriate shade of grey not too close to black or white.  The purpose of a figure in general is to enlighten the viewer, not sow further confusion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.60.102.88 (talk) 11:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The map colors don't seem to indicate anything useful and the caption adds to the confusion, misidentifying towns completely. A replacement map is needed. --Crunch (talk) 01:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The orange town in question is Deerfield, not Greenfield. --Prlambert76 (talk) 19:28, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Map Colors are Poorly chosen

message: The entire Culture section is currently unsourced and also completely made up. Lesbian capital of the United States? It is certainly just like the Pixies song?  {Gephydro  —Preceding undated comment added 01:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Culture section

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message: how can u people read this...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.234.37 (talk) 16:18, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's Wikipedia B-Movie Fan (talk) 17:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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message: I didn't see mention of this in the article and I need to do some more research since a cursory online search turned up nothing but I had read years ago that the name "Pioneer Valley" was a marketing term coined by several local Chambers of Commerce in the early 20th century.  This makes sense as you drive around the major roads of the time and enter the "Pioneer Valley".  There are signs in "odd" places that don't really mark the boundaries of the Connecticut River Valley.  For example, there is a sign on Rte 5 in Longmeadow that says entering and leaving the Pioneer Valley but it's also not on the CT/MA border as the article indicates.  There's also a sign on Rte 2 in western Franklin County that is neither in the Valley or at the county border.  If someone has any further information, please post it.  Dbroer (talk) 15:42, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pioneer Valley name 

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