Talk:Wagner tuba

message: I have played Wagner (he usually won!) and the horn players I know who played that thing always called it a "Wagnerian tuba". 
I added a line in the article about rotary valves, conical bore and horn mouthpiece. I deleted the request image tag at the top of this discussion page since someone has added a photo to the article.
Jeffmatt 10:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there such a thing as a "request better image" tag?  The current one suffers from severe JPEG splotchiness and even some pixellation... --Rschmertz 01:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: nomenclature

message: I have written a brief page on Stephen Caudel who wrote the Edel rhapsody for the wagner tuba :-
Edel rhapsody
Do you think this is a valid addition to the main page or getting a little away from the core article?
:In my opinion, it is a very valid addition. It shows that the Wagner tuba is transcending its original milieu, that it could become a viable instrument in musical genres besides classical and opera. Anton Mravcek 20:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephen Caudel

message: I am pleased to see an article devoted to my favourite instrument. Thanks for your work. Just to throw more fuel on the fire, I have heard/read the instrument referred to as a Bruchner tuba as well. Perhaps a reference from an orchestration manual would settle the name question. --Ambassadorhorn 00:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any reason to call it a "Bruckner tuba," much less a "Bruchner tuba." The article already has (and has had almost since the beginning) "a reference from an orchestration manual," though it does not settle the question. Anton Mravcek 22:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Job! 

message: The second paragraph of the introduction needs some major work, and maybe should just be deleted. Fundamentally, the only difference between a Wagner Tuba and a horn is which way it points. There are definitely some differences in tubing lengths, but fundamentally, the only difference is the direction the bell points, and the fact that you don't put your hand in the bell. Many modern band composers get the same sound as a Wagner tuba just by having the hornists hold their bells up with their right hands as opposed to just keeping the hand in the bell.
The way the paragraph is written, it makes it seem like the Wagner tuba is a completely different insturment from the Horn. They actually have a conical bore, the use the same mouthpiece, and they are even written in the same keys (sometimes). Heavy Metal Cellisttalkcontribs
The tubas really are very different from horns in quite an intangible way. Having played both F and B tubas and had a go with a double tuba (which didn't seem to me to capture the tuba spirit) I feel that quite a distinct sound and style results. There is a lot less resistance than on the horn, and you tend to get gentler fronts, smoother slurs(maybe my technical deficiencies?) and a more 'grainy' sound. This is a better fit in my opinion to Bruckner's writing rather than that of Wagner or Strauss. They certainly feel different and sound different from the stage!
:Just so we're clear, you're referring to the paragraph partially quoted below?
::"Wagner was inspired to invent this instrument after a brief visit to Paris in 1853, when he visited the shop of Adolphe Sax, ... Wagner wanted an instrument that could intone the Valhalla motif somberly like a trombone but with a less incisive tone like that of a horn. That effect was obtained by a conical bore (like a horn) and the use of the horn mouthpiece (tapered as opposed to a cup mouthpiece such as on a trombone). The instrument is built with rotary valves which, like those on the French horn, are played with the left hand."
:It is important to say what Wagner's motives were for wanting the instrument. And if it's not at least a little different from a horn, why go through all the trouble of inventing an instrument? Anton Mravcek 19:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  second paragraph of intro 

message: " That effect was obtained by a conical bore (like a horn) and the use of the horn mouthpiece (tapered as opposed to a cup mouthpiece such as on a trombone). The instrument is built with rotary valves which, like those on the horn, are played with the left hand."
The above quote gives 3 similarities to the horn, but no differences.  What is the significant differnce in the way the horn is built, that causes it to sound different from a horn.
:So you are asking for technical (e.g., acoustical or manufacturing differences)? The article does talk about how the instrument sounds different from the horn, but it wouldn't hurt to talk about technical things like differences in tubing shape and length, etc. Anton Mravcek 21:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what makes a Wagner Tuba different than a horn. 

message: Is it supposed to be a comprehensive list or a sample as the Composer's Datebook mentioned Gyorgy Kurtag composing a piece for it in 1994 for the Berlin Philharmonic and he is not on the list. 68.19.98.61 (talk) 00:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This site mentions two: Kossuth & The Miraculous Mandarin. WeisheitSuchen (talk) 16:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composers who've used it 

message: From the article's oddly-named "Impact" section:
::"Where on the orchestral score the Wagner tubas are placed depend on who plays them."
So if "Fred" plays it, it's placed about the tubas; if "Barney" plays it, it's placed above the horns; and if "John Cale" plays it, it's placed below the violas?
74.95.43.249 (talk) 01:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm 5 years late, but the line presumably refers to whether horn, trombone or tuba players are playing the Wagner tuba in a given situation. Though I can't imagine why anyone but a hornist would play it. Aza24 (talk) 07:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who plays it? 

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