Talk:Probability distribution

message: Let X
e
= (X1, X2, . . . , Xn) be a random sample from the normal distribution with mean µ
and variance σ
2
, find the maximum likelihood estimators of µ and σ
2  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.220.137.224 (talk) 08:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

message: "random variable may be attributed to a function defined on a state space equipped with a probability distribution that assigns a probability to every subset ... of its state space..." A function defined on a state space should assign something to points of the state space. If it assigns something to sets, it is rather a SET FUNCTION. Also, if the state space is already equipped with a probability distribution, what is the role of the random variable?
"A random variable then defines a probability measure on the sample space by assigning a subset of the sample space the probability of its inverse image in the state space." Really? The two states are swapped here. On the sample space a measure is given from the beginning; on the state space it appears due to the random variable.
"In other words the probability distribution of a random variable is the push forward measure of the probability distribution on the state space." I do not understand this phrase; once again, on which space the measure is given from the beginning? Boris Tsirelson (talk) 16:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead is confusing 

message: Perhaps subsection Terminology with its current content is superfluous.
Repetition of discrete vs continuous distribution seems confusing (the reader could think he overlooked sth he didn't). The notion of support should appear in the article on measures. Measure, probability and possibly a few other concepts should be referenced at the bottom of the article. More thoughts are needed about organization of the vast legion of important links to related articles. 
As a continuous counterpart of formula for probability distribution should be used that with integral using density function (since resembles discrete version very well - just think of density as discrete histogram with dense set of values). After presenting discrete and absolutely continuous distributions in separate sections, there should appear the third section unifying both into the general theory with formula using Lebesgue integral w.r.t. axiomatic probability measure P (this formula which is now horribly serving as definition in the special case of absolute continuous random variable - inacceptable for general purpose encyclopedia). Then some properties, examples and graphs should follow (independently of famous and important distributions described in dedicated articles). Compare e.g. with some good stylistic and logistic ideas applied to the article on expected value. --Megaloxantha (talk) 02:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization of the article: subsection Terminology etc 

message: Can we do something sensible about the stuff presently in this section, which says:
*The probability density function of the sum of two independent random variables is the convolution of each of their density functions. 
*The probability density function of the difference of two random variables is the cross-correlation of each of their density functions. 
In the first bullet point, there is a need to say this for general distributions, not just those which have densities ...unfortunately the article on convolution does not seem to give a sensible formula in terms of cumulative distribution functions. In the second bullet point, there is again the problem of dealing with general distributions but, in addition, the use of the word "cross-correlation" would need to be given the interpretation in the article pointed-to, which is very different from the common one in statistics.
Melcombe (talk) 10:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "Some Properties" section 

message: Given that this article has had a major revamp, much of the old discussion is irrelevant to the present content. I have reordered the threads a little to put newer stuff towards the end, but I am suggesting that all the stuff now before the section headed "Lead is confusing" be archived. Any thoughts? Melcombe (talk) 12:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion archived as above. Melcombe (talk) 14:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to archive discussion 

message: Shouldn't the basic terminology used to discuss/describe a distribution be included here? It would not only fill out the basic presentation of the material but also provide an anchor for references to such terms in other articles. Jojalozzo 03:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add "mode", "tail", "inflection", etc. to terminology? 

message: As far as I know, "probability distribution" is, in general, a probability measure (rather than this or that function). In some (but not all) cases it can be described by a cumulative distribution function. Sometimes also by the probability mass function; sometimes also by the probability density function. But the lead says "a probability mass, probability density, or probability distribution is a function..." Or is it meant that a measure is also a kind of function (namely, a set function)? But no, this is not written in the sections. Boris Tsirelson (talk) 05:57, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have rewritten the lead to try to overcome this problem. But the rest of the article is extremely short of anything understandable about probability measure. Melcombe (talk) 19:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nice! Much better than before. (But it would be enough, to link "probability measure" in the lead only once.) Boris Tsirelson (talk) 21:09, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange terminology 

message: Right now there seem to be somewhat strange redirects. What article should I link to for a plain old distribution of occurrences as observed in a finite sample?
* I suspect that statistical distribution ought to disambiguate between sample distributions (that vary from sample to sample) and the ideal probability distributions. At the moment it redirects to just probability distribution.
* Sample distribution redirects to empirical distribution function (sample cdf), what about the actual sample distribution, non-integrated? There are also count data and frequency distribution articles but neither quite seems to be appropriate (or maybe they are just badly written).
Nanite (talk) 18:45, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  generic statistical distributions (especially sample distributions) 

message: I believe "In contrast, when a random variable takes values from a continuum, probabilities can be nonzero only if they refer to intervals" is incorrect. Imagine a random variable whose image is [0,1]. Let the point 1 have a 50% chance of occurring, and the rest of the probability mass is uniformly distributed amongst [0,1). Is there anything wrong with this counter-example? Note that obviously this counter-example extends to letting any finite number of points of the image of a continuous random variable have non-zero probability. 38.88.227.194 (talk) 17:23, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. But that phrase occurs in Introduction, and probably is not meant to be a theorem. Maybe "In contrast, when a random variable takes values from a continuum then, typically, probabilities can be nonzero only if they refer to intervals"? Boris Tsirelson (talk) 20:23, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "For example, consider measuring the weight of a piece of ham in the supermarket, and assume the scale has many digits of precision. The probability that it weighs exactly 500 g is zero, as it will most likely have some non-zero decimal digits". If the ham is zero-probable to weigh exactly 500g, it will definitely (not 'most likely') have non-zero digits. And wouldn't the scale need to assume infinite (not just 'many') digits? Freddie Orrell (talk) 22:42, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Non-)Zero Probabilities for Continuous random variables 

message: I feel that this article is incomplete because it deals only with 'random variables' (scalar or not). However, the notion of a 'random element' can be applied to any set. Specifically, a probability measure on a functional space is a well defined concept under the Kolmogorov measure theoretic point of view. Nevertheless, there are several items on the article that does not apply easly to the case of random functions. For exemple, the concept of a probability density for random functions does not exist (Novikov, 1965; Functionals and the random force method in turbulence theory; Soviet Physics JETP, 20(5), pp. 1290 - 1294); the concept of cumulative distribution function is replaced, in most presentations, by a infinite hierarchy of cumulative distribution functions; etc.  Crodrigue1 (talk) 21:36, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: True. This is shortly mentioned in "Kolmogorov definition" section. This is more often called "probability measure" than "probability distribution". And, specifically for function spaces, this is usually treated in "Random processes". Boris Tsirelson (talk) 06:40, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probability in function spaces 

message: See Talk:Mode (statistics)#Different treatment of discrete and continuous? Boris Tsirelson (talk) 18:58, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mode: a doubt 

message: There is some confusion about the term 'continuous r.v.'. A continuous r.v. is in this article defined as having a continuous cumulative distribution function, hence it doesn't need to have a density. In the article probability density function it is said a density belongs to a continuous r.v. Madyno (talk) 08:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuous 

message: I would suggest to combine this page with Probability_density_function, because a probability density function is simply the mathematical representation of a given probability function.
Mimigdal (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite so; "Mathematicians call distributions with probability density functions absolutely continuous"; not all distributions are absolutely continuous; some are discrete, and some are singular. Boris Tsirelson (talk) 18:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  My suggestion 

message: Why "Measure theoretic formulation" for "Discrete probability distribution", but "Kolmogorov definition" for "Continuous probability distribution"? Boris Tsirelson (talk) 07:42, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology: "Measure theoretic" or "Kolmogorov"? 

message: Could someone please check this section?
Maybe I am somewhat confused, but I think what is stated as axioms of Kolmogorov here is wrong. Condition 2 has to state that the probability to be in the whole space equals $1$.
The conditions given here are, for instance, satisfied by the trivial assignment $P(X\in A)$ identical to $0$ for all considered events $A$.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DC:DF37:9300:7D0B:9E28:D2F3:91D8 (talk) 17:59, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: = Question on "General Definition" -Section 

message: Giving the the fraction of male students in a school as an example of a random phenomenon only makes sense in a coeducational school; otherwise the fractions are fixed! Wprlh (talk) 05:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  A quibble on the examples of random phenomena in the opening paragraph? 

message: For example, the second paragraph of the Introduction has both “throwing a fair die”  and “the dice rolls” Wprlh (talk) 05:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency between die and dice? 

message: The definition given of a continuous RV is actually of an absolutely continuous RV and is potentially confusing. There can exist an RV for which the CDF is continuous in the classical sense of continuity but is not absolutely continuous. Hence what is called continuous RV should be called as an absolutely continuous RV. This is explicitly done in Valentin V. Petrov's book, 'Limit theorems of probability theory: sequences of independent random variables' on Page 2:
Theorem 31.7 in Billingsley's classic book 'Probablity and Measure' proves that the above definition is equivalent to F being absolutely continuous. That book does not mention continuous RV at all, it only mentions absolutely continuous distribution function. Rosenthal's book 'A First Look at Rigorous Probability Theory' explicitly talks about absolutely continuous RV and not about continuous RV (pg 1,70). In conclusion, the cited source (ie Ross' book) is sowing some confusion when it uses the term continuous RV. 
Hence for this reason, I am being bold and replacing continuous with absolutely continuous. I have added the sentence 'Some authors however use the term "continuous distribution" to denote all distributions whose cumulative distribution function is absolutely continuous, i.e. refer to absolutely continuous distributions as continuous distributions.' to make this confusion (hopefully) clear to the reader. - Abdul Muhsy talk 05:29, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuous probability distribution 

message: In the passage starting 
:"The concept of probability function is made more rigorous by defining it as the element of a probability space ..." 
"it" stands for "probability function". But if this is a definiton for the "probability function" then it contains the definiendum in the definiens by 
:"... and P is the probability function,  ...", 
i.e. it is a circular definition. Jyyb (talk) 09:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  General probability definition - a circular definition? 

message: the probabilities that it will rain or not in 30 days 154.156.43.236 (talk) 12:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathematics  

message: the probabilities that it will rain or not in 30 days from now are 0.5and 0.5 respectivly.fi the probabilities that  30 days time it will either rain or not 154.156.43.236 (talk) 12:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathematics  

message: In this edit MrOllie removed a link to an open source probability distribution site with an edit summary pointing to  Links normally to be avoided. None of the 19 criteria on that list matched so I'd like to learn why the link was removed. (I didn't originally add it, I just verified that it seemed not to fit the list before moving it to External links). Johnjbarton (talk) 00:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:ELNO #4, since this was being systematically added across many articles by a single purpose editor. - MrOllie (talk) 03:30, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Johnjbarton (talk) 03:51, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phitter link removed