Talk:Candidates of the 2007 Australian federal election

message: I've decided to remove the anonymous addition of Hajnal Ban. Despite lengthy profiles from both the SMH  and AJN , she's not yet the endorsed National candidate for Forde. Preselection is in December. Dlw22 08:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact she was endorsed only a week or so after I posted this.  Re-added, belatedly. Dlw22 12:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hajnal Ban 

message: I thought Libs and Nats federally were not to challenge each other because they are in a coalition. If that is occuring in SA, will Libs has candidates in Nat-held seats in other states 203.213.97.55 11:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is rather curious. But the answer to your question is no. It seems that even though it's a federal election, the Coalition agreement starts and ends at state borders. At the last federal election, the Nationals stood candidates against Wilson Tuckey  and Patrick Secker . Because the SA & WA Nationals have no MPs in need of protection, they're apparently free to challenge sitting Liberals.  Note too that in South Australia, the sole National MHA is a cabinet minister in the state Labor govt. Dlw22 16:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lib vs Nats in SA 

message: What is happening in Parkes? A different National candidate (Mark Coulton) is indicated in the article, but nothing is said about any retirement of sitting MP John Cobb. Frickeg 06:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see. Don't worry! Frickeg 06:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parkes 

message: I notice there has been a mini edit war over Ken Aldred's candidacy for Holt. Just to settle the matter: Aldred is NOT the endorsed Liberal candidate for Holt. He was disendorsed within a week of winning preselection. This has been documented in the Former Candidates section. Dlw22 15:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ken Aldred 

message: Could someone who knows how to change the table please add Greg Pargeter as the Labor candidate for La trobe. http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/story/37583. Thanks Crested Penguin 23:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Dlw22 02:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Greg Pargeter

message: For those of us who are intending on running as independents, whats the policy for adding names? Purserj 09:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not do so, firstly you have a conflict of interest and secondly you would need to provide an independent source which names you has having become a candidate for the election.  In fact I presume that is not possible to register as a candidate at this point, therefore it is impossible to be an independent candidate at this point, the only way you could qualify would be to be endorsed by a political party or to be a sitting independent who has announced an intention to recontest the seat... Maybe if someone high profile announced they were going to run... but otherwise it's just speculation and/or posturing. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 14:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is where it gets tricky, the AEC tracks all electoral donations from the time of the announcement of intention to run, yet as you say, independents cannot register as candidates until the election is actually called. Purserj 22:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: In keeping with this here is my information - James Purser / New South Wales Senate / jamespurser.com.au / Am being interviewed tomorrow will update when the article is published. Purserj 09:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Article in ComputerWorld confirming my intention to run  Purserj 03:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I have removed my name from the list of the New South Wales senate candidates due to failing to meet the deposit requirement Purserj 22:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Intending Independent Candidates

message: Congratulations to Western Australia for having all candidates verified by sources, I have marked the candidates that need a source backing them up.  Otherwise this is just random people adding names any one of which could be vandalism for all we know, it's a MUCH better article if it is as it was a little while ago with all candidates backed up with sources.  I propose that when the election is actually called that all unverified candidates be removed until the electoral commission releases an official list of candidates. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 14:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations needed

message: Lachlan Conner is listed as an Independent Candidate for the Victorian Senate. Conner is a character in an ongoing comedy/soap by blogger "Grods Corp", I sincerely doubt that the character in this soap is actually a candidate for election. http://www.grods.com/lachlan-connor-independent/
--Kieran Bennett 08:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lachlan Conner 

message: Since being a candidate alone does not make a notable BLP subjectmatter for an article maybe we should remove all the redlinks on this page as it encourages people to create articles which will just have to be deleted on notability grounds.  I'd like to achieve consensus first though before going through it all. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The redlinks will go, but not until after the election. Until that time all the major party candidates should stay linked. Besides, most of the non-notable pages have been created for minor party candidates that were unlinked. Dlw22 15:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, it should be the other way around, if a candidate has an article created about them then the link gets added here, otherwise it looks like there is meant to be articles about each of them, we just haven't gotten round to writing them, when actually, for most of them, it breaches policy to create them just for promotional purposes.  Forcing people to link new articles also has the benefit of wikipedians seeing relatively quickly when non-notable articles are being set up for promotional purposes, and that includes the mainstream candidates.  Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 04:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your policy would require unlinking and deleting of the existing pages for Richard Marles, Melissa Parke, Jason Clare and Alex Hawke when these candidates will, almost certainly, soon be asserting their notability. I don't share the view that linking them encourages page creation. Those who want to create pages for their favourite candidates need no extra encouragement. Dlw22 16:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  redlinks 

message: what do people think about including the margins that each seat is held by in the lower house, this would be useful information for people browsing through the list. 
Additionally we are going to soon have to address the issue of how big the senate candidate tables are going to get, if they are going to be full lists then there will be hundreds and hundreds of names included! Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 04:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The seat margins can be found elsewhere. See here and here. There is no need to reproduce them here. This page is a list of candidates. And yes, all the election candidates will be listed, which is precisely why any further clutter is undesirable. The Senate tables will be restructured in the same format as the present Queensland table. Dlw22 16:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I wasn't proposing cluttering the Senate tables with margins.  Regarding the other articles every article is supposed to stand on its own without having to go to other articles for relevant info.  Also all I would suggest would be adding it to the "Held By" column. WikiTownsvillian 17:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does stand on its own. It wasn't designed to display the results of the previous election, just the candidates at this election. Dlw22 05:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  include margin 

message: Please be a bit careful about unlinking linked names on this page. Someone came along and unlinked Caroline Hutchinson because she was an independent, despite the fact she is a high-profile radio host and by far the biggest threat to the incumbent in that seat. Equally, independent and newsreader Noel Brunning was not linked in Forrest, despite the fact that he poses a much greater threat to the Liberals there than the linked Labor candidate. This was also the case in O'Connor, where the 20-year old university student running for Labor was linked, but not the prominent National candidate who actually might pose a challenge. Rebecca 06:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I've said above I think that notable people should be linked and non-notable people should not be linked with the presumption being to not wikilink those without articles as it only takes one sentence to create a stub (the exception of course would be where a candidate does not have an article but has their notability established as you have done above; then the red link would be kept). Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 07:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Like I said in the previous section, my policy has been to link all major party candidates, rather than drawing an artificial line between what's winnable and unwinnable. (There are a few unlinked major party candidates in unwinnable seats because if linked they would point to disambiguation pages.) Whether the Nats in WA are a major party is an open question. Candidates notable outside of politics, e.g. Philip Nitschke, should of course be linked. But I wasn't aware Noel Brunning or Caroline Hutchinson were especially notable (I still wonder). Dlw22 17:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hutchinson and Brunning are independently notable, regardless of their election campaign. This would be clear if you had checked first. Applying a blanket "Liberal and Labor notable, others non-notable" just makes no sense - as in the example I used above, anyone with the slightest knowledge of the O'Connor, Forrest or Fisher races knows the National or independent candidates are the more serious threat to the incumbent. Rebecca 00:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have thought that independent candidates overall would be more, not less, likely to be independently notable than major party challengers.  It's certainly true that the major party challengers have higher likelihood of becoming notable in the future... but I'm not too worried. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 04:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: As I have already explained, the links were done on the basis of consistency and uniformity. I don't deny that means there are holes. But linking on the basis of 150 seat assesments would just create more holes. That a third party or independent candidate stands a better chance than Labor of winning in a safe non-Labor seat is unremarkable. They are still long shots, just slightly lesser long shots. Dlw22 15:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: Would someone be able to start adding Family First columns for the HoR seats? They've obviously started preselecting candidates - former Liberal state minister Robert Brokenshire has just been announced as their candidate for the SA seat of Kingston. Rebecca 23:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Family First

message: The AEC will disclose nominations at 12 noon AEDT today. At this stage I'm not sure if the candidates will be released in bulk or come out in dribs and drabs. The releases might be staggered according to local timezones. 
I shall endeavour to add all of it to this article. But anyone who wishes to add candidates themselves is certainly entitled to do so. But please state here which section you are editing (e.g. House of Reps/Victoria or Senate/SA) so that I may stay out of your way.
Thanks.
Dlw22 00:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done that. Was going to work on SA and WA, but a guest came over. Saben4 09:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Saben. I've done the Tassie Senate as a model of how I think the Senate tables should look. Dlw22 13:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. Phew Dlw22 16:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. Dlw22 03:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. Dlw22 04:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks Rebecca. I'll do the SA Senate now. Dlw22 04:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Dlw22 05:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. That's it for now. I'll tidy things up at a later stage. Dlw22 05:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Declaration of Nominations

message: Well this sure didn't go to plan.
It's two and a half hours since the supposed "declaration of nominations" in the south east. And half an hour since then in the west. But nothing appears to have been released on the AEC site. And now I have to bail.
I'll either come home this evening to add the remaining candidates. Or find that it's already been done.
Dlw22 03:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hours later

message: I'm going to start working on the territories and Tassie House of Reps.
Saben4 08:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done that. Was going to work on SA and WA, but a guest came over. Saben4 09:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Saben. I've done the Tassie Senate as a model of how I think the Senate tables should look. Dlw22 13:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. Phew Dlw22 16:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. Dlw22 03:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. Dlw22 04:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks Rebecca. I'll do the SA Senate now. Dlw22 04:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Dlw22 05:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. That's it for now. I'll tidy things up at a later stage. Dlw22 05:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: It's up

message: Rebecca, I notice you removed the middle names from Shane Kenneth Neumann and Cameron Paul Thompson.
Whilst I'm not strongly attached to this policy, I thought it best to present the names as they are on the ballot paper. (But without the reversing of the surname/given names.) Sometimes that includes a middle name. Sometimes just a middle initial.
Your thoughts?
Dlw22 03:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not at all known by these names, so it adds confusion and makes the table a lot harder to read - it's crammed enough as it is. Rebecca 03:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Dlw22 04:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle Names

message: I notice someone has changed the ACT table. While I think this is a nice design and an improvement in many ways, I am concerned about the elimination of links to the major parties. To someone with Australian politics this is not a problem; for someone else, they may have no idea what "Labor", "Liberal" or "CDP" refer to. However, I'm hesitant to reinstate the links as they neutralise the colour, which I think aids readability. Additionally, I'm concerned about the lack of dividing lines between rows, which, if the new design is implemented across the article, could lead to confusion in very large tables. What are others' thoughts on this? Frickeg (talk) 07:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We ought not to be sacrificing a readable format for the sake of a few links. Bush shep (talk) 22:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The existing format is just as readable but much more helpful to foreign readers. I'm particularly concerned about the Senate tables - having simply "Climate Change Coalition Candidates" (without link) is verging on irresponsible. In any case, before reverting again please wait for further discussion. So far the only other opinion - here - has agreed with my assessment. Wikipedia has an obligation to make itself understandable to readers wherever they come from. That means not having "CDP Candidates" and no link, because non-Australian readers will have no idea what "CDP" even stands for. Frickeg (talk) 22:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table format change 

message: In Australia, where the legislature and executive are effectively one, we're less inclined to call the election a "legislative" vote but rather a general election. Could the title be changed to reflect this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.219.60 (talk) 02:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It already was. Bush shep (talk) 15:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of Article

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