Talk:Rātana

message: Hard to find much and I had a few misconceptions when I started. May add some more later.
Herne nz 07:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major expansion

message: It has been proposed (by Beeswaxcandle) that Te Haahi Ratana (Ratana as religion) be merged into the main (secular) Ratana article. 
Vote:Leave with a clear separation of the two (religious and secular) wings.
Currently the Te Haahi Ratana article is in need of wikification. Although The Ratana movement was both religious and political and Ratana politicians were also Ratana ministers, I suggest keeping the article about the nature of the Ratana faith separate from the secular article that deals mainly with the establishment of the movement and its political involvement. Fanx (talk) 19:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: User:Helenalex suggested in 2008 that Christian Maramatanga Society be merged into this article. 
I think it is appropriate for the articles to remain separate, since the founder of the Maramatanga Society is sufficiently notable to have her own entry in the New Zealand Dictionary of National Biography. However, merging to this article would be preferable to deletion of the content entirely.-gadfium 20:41, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: New merger proposal

message: "In both the parliaments of 1946–1948 and of 1957–1960, the formation of a Labour Government depended on the votes of the Rātana Movement members. Not all Labour Party Māori MPs have been members of the Rātana Church, but the alliance with Rātana allowed Labour to hold on to all four Māori electorates from the 1940s until 1996.
"Under John Key, this has continued, with the notable exception being in 2015, where he was overseas and unable to attend. This invited some controversy, although Bill English attended in his place.[6]"
- This is absolute rubbish. What's John Key's being overseas got to do with Labour holding the Maori seats? David Cannon (talk) 04:55, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something missing 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have been editing to address the lack of citations, to expand with new sources and to make this about the movement and different to the article about the church Te Haahi Ratana. Some of the language at this stage is a bit clunky and needs a copy edit. Other improvements are to check for copyright violations with relevant Te Ara articles and more citations are needed for big sections still. I welcome any discussion about any approaches I have been taking. This is not a subject well-known to me. Pakoire (talk) 04:00, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding and cleaning up article 

message: Support merge because the Te Haahi Rātana article is far too detailed. I've added a :Template:Overly detailed because it contains a really excessive amount of intricate detail about the practice of the religion. I suspect that once the excessive information is removed, the remaining article will be so small it could be merged into the spirituality section of this article. Keeping them separate does not make sense to me, given the close ties of the religious and political components of the movement. If I was a person wanting to read more about Rātana as a church, I'd expect all of it to be in the Rātana article somewhere. -- David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 01:07, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Te Haahi Ratana]] into [[Rātana]] (2024)