Talk:Streetcars in New Orleans

message: As we don't yet have anything on "ammonia engine" or "ammonia motor", this link has some interesting relevent info. -- Infrogmation 01:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 1871 illustration of an "Ammoniacal Gas Engine" streetcar in New Orleans:  :File:AmmoniacalGasEngineStreetcarARWaud.jpeg. -- Infrogmation (talk) 15:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 19th century propulsion

message: In the History section, I find: "During World War II, a few old mule drawn cars were returned to service on a few shorter lines as an energy saving measure."
I'm pretty knowledgeable about New Orleans streetcars, but I don't think I've ever heard this before.  I cannot find any mention of it in Hennick & Charleton's book.  Frankly, I doubt that it is true.
Can anyone say where this item came from, or verify its accuracy?
HGFriedman (talk) 18:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I didn't notice this discussion earlier. I'm  probably the one who added that to an early version of the article; I recall hearing that from an old neighbor who didn't seem to be in the habit of telling tall tales and it sounded plausible to me. However as at present we have no confirming evidence, I have no objection to removing the text. Thanks for your attention to improving the article! Red beans & ricely, -- Infrogmation (talk) 22:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thanks for the response.  HGFriedman (talk) 22:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mule cars during WW2?

message: I've just created an article on the Strausberg Railway in Germany, by translating the WP:DE article on the same subject. Unless I've got my translation hopelessly wrong, the Strausberg Railway owns a Czech built prototype Tatra T6C5 tramcar that it acquired from Siemens in 2005. And apparently this car was previously in New Orleans, presumably as part of an attempt to sell such cars to the RTA. Can anybody confirm this, or add any details?. -- Starbois (talk) 18:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tatra T6C5 car, that previously ran in New Orleans 

message: I oppose the suggested merge of Streetcars in New Orleans into New Orleans Regional Transit Authority proposed by . Reasons: Topics are related but not identical. Streetcars in New Orleans have a long history dating back some 150 years before the creation of the NO RTA.  Both articles have substantial content, and both have potential for substantial expansion. -- Infrogmation (talk) 15:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Infrogmation.  New Orleans Public Service and its predecessors operated the New Orleans streetcars for a long time before NO RTA was created, and it does not seem to make sense to include their period of operation under the RTA article.  HGFriedman (talk) 18:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge

message: I have noticed that this article makes no mention of the current construction and plans for streetcar expansion. I recently improved an existing section about street car expansion on the New Orleans Regional Transit Authority page. I think either the section I wrote should be moved to this page or that this page needs a similar section. Any thoughts? Argonius2 (talk) 23:19, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a good idea to write a similar section here.  I was tempted to do it, but was too busy.  I think two points could be made:  (1) The current construction of the UPT branch line up Loyola Ave., and (2) the plans to build down Rampart and St. Claude to at least Press St.  (It looks like RTA wants to run these two as one cross-Canal line.  There hasn't been a cross-Canal streetcar line since the late 1920s.)  HGFriedman (talk) 14:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

text: I have added to this article a link to the streetcar expansion section of the RTA article.  Seemed better than duplicating text, which might not remain duplicated as the articles evolve. HGFriedman (talk) 16:46, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Hmmm. In the ten years since the above comments were written, the Future Network Expansion section seems to have evolved beyond recognition. I will give some thought to fixing this. But there really isn't much "updated history". Streetcar expansion in N. O. seems to be unlikely in the foreseeable future. It seems to me that to talk about the streetcars of N. O., one mostly has to talk about history. HGFriedman (talk) 15:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Turns out the Future Network Expansion section had vanished from the article, though it is referenced in the Streetcars under RTA section. I recreated a very short Future Network Expansion section that describes the planned but unfunded extensions of the Rampart-St. Claude and Riverfront lines. HGFriedman (talk) 17:28, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Streetcar expansion 

message: This article has five infoboxes, it seems a little excessive and pushes photos quite far down the page. This means that there's no space for photos for most of the "Current lines". Three infoboxes are about rollingstock, and at the top of the page are completely out of context, I think we should eliminate them, the info they contain is better suited to a table in the "Current rolling stock" section. The map could be moved into the main info box and the "St. Charles Streetcar Line" would sit next to the section it relates to. If I don't see any objections in the next few days I'm going to go ahead and make the changes. Liamdavies (talk) 12:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking just for myself, I have no objection to such a rearrangement of the rolling stock info.  BTW, speaking of the map, it is slightly out of date, in that it doesn't show the fact that the Loyola Line is finished, nor the latest extent of the Rampart-St. Claude line now being designed.  I'd fix it, but I don't think I know how.  HGFriedman (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the main infobox and put the map in there. I've also updated the map as far as the Loyola Ave Line is concerned, but a little help with the latest news on on the French Quarter extension plan would be nice, can you please provide a map or route description? Liamdavies (talk) 09:03, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I like most of what you have done with the article.  I'm not sure what you're asking about the map or route description, as you seem to have discovered the text in the RTA article and copied it here.  If you need more, see http://www.norta.com/about/Capital_Projects/index.html .  HGFriedman (talk) 14:03, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

text: One thing I'd like to see a little different is to change the location of the new picture captioned "St. Charles Avenue, New Orleans Central Business District, 1920."  This does not depict the St. Charles car line, which at that time did not run on this portion of St. Charles Street.  I suggest moving it to the Historic Lines section.  Ideally, it belongs next to the description of the Clio Line -- the car in the foreground displays a Clio route sign -- but there is no mention of the Clio Line.  I don't have time to do it now, but I'll add that line to the Historic Lines section later.  HGFriedman (talk) 14:03, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now added the Clio Line to the Historic Lines section.  HGFriedman (talk) 20:17, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved the picture you mentioned, and added a few more through out the article. Can you have a look over them, their description and placement, and either alter them or tell me what needs altering? Sorry, but as a Melburnian, my knowledge of New Orleans is quite low. I still fail to see what more needs fixing in the map. Is there anything else? Liamdavies (talk) 07:10, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job with the pictures.  Thanks!  I have edited the captions a bit (it really is "Perley Thomas", not "Thomas Perley", which I admit does sound more probable).  Re. the map, the "under construction" color ought to end on the east at Elysian Fields, with the remainder to the east and the part on Elysian Fields itself shown in the "planned" color.  And actually, "under construction" is slightly premature; the section from Canal Street to Elysian Fields is actively being designed, and is reasonably certain of being constructed in the near future.  The rest is left to some vague future possible world.  See map in the WWLTV reference in the "Future network expansion" section of the article.  HGFriedman (talk) 17:29, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Hey, map looks good to me!  Thanks.  As for a good source, THE source for the history of New Orleans streetcars is Hennick & Charlton, "The Streetcars of New Orleans", published by Pelican (earlier edition, privately published by Hennick, titled "Louisiana - Its Street and Interurban Railway", vol. 2 (vol. 1 is the rest of Louisiana).  Copies are frequently available on ebay.  Supplemental data on the cars is on my website, http://www.cs.illinois.edu/homes/friedman/app3/App3.htm  I've always intended to put more of the history into the article, but have been too busy. HGFriedman (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we need so many infoboxes? 

message: Well, I finally bit this bullet and wrote something in the History section.  More could be written; less could be written.  I hope I've made some kind of balance.  I have not made a lot of links to elsewhere in Wikipedia; perhaps others will wish to add some.  HGFriedman (talk) 20:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: History section expanded

message: Ckeavy has added to the list of rolling stock that car 966 is preserved at Seashore.  While true, this is merely one preserved car out of the following list (from my notes);
832, 836, 850, 913, 918, 919, 924, 952, 957, 959, and 966.
It makes no sense to me to mention 966 and not mention any of the others, so I am going to remove that new line.  I would consider putting almost all of these (not 957, since it is mentioned as 457) into a new subsection, but I don't have time now.  Opinions?
HGFriedman (talk) 23:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, no comments so far.  I found time, and added a new section on all preserved N. O. cars.HGFriedman (talk) 16:28, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Preserved streetcars

message: I do not believe RTA uses the 400 series cars any more. They are replicas, not historical, and are not ADA compliant, thus I believe they are not allowed to roll on either the St. Charles line, nor on the newer lines.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by NarrowlyLearned (talk • contribs) 18:14, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The 457-463 cars are indeed wheelchair accessible.  AFAIK, they are still in use on Riverfront.  It is true that they are replicas, having been built about 1997 at Carrollton Station.  HGFriedman (talk) 18:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Rolling Stock