Talk:List of The Sopranos characters

message: Great job! - Tim Feb. 15, 2006 00:38
Further additions to this list may be needed (for example, Valentina, etc). --AWF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.154.17 (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: *Kafziel 12:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What major importance did he play? He stole a truck and got whacked, thats it! Nobody gave 2 shits about him by the 5th episode. And he was in 2 episodes, a clip of his dead body doesn't count.--M vopni 00:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: *I definitely oppose. Brendan is a main character in the first season and he is mentioned way more than Vito, etc. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 13:31, 7 April 2006
*You've got to be kidding! Brendan had bit parts in 2 episodes and Vito has been on the show for 4 seasons now. --M vopni 15:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: Does anyone know which episodes DiMeo was referenced in, so I can add them to his bio. Since he is an unseen character, I placed that where "played by" is shown and the episodes he is referenced in, I would also like to add. I'm pretty sure he was referenced in "Meadowlands" and "46 Long" but am still unsure. Sfufan2005 01:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dominic DiMeo

message: Johnny Boy is currently in the blood relatives section of the list - I was wondering if he might be better placed with the mobsters. Does anyone have an opinion? -Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 02:24, 26 April 2006
::I think because he is related to the Soprano blood family that is where he should be. His role on the series is more of a father figure since the only way he is portrayed is through Tony's flashbacks. I mean there's no doubt that he was in the mob but that's my opinion. Sfufan2005 02:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Johnny Boy Soprano

message: As of the 27 April 2006 there are 20 main (or primary) characters and 200 supporting characters in our list. These divisions are arbitrary and open to personal interpretation. I note that this has caused some argument on this page in the past. The main difference between the groups is their organisation - main characters typically have their own article while supporting characters do not. Previously a third set of characters was used - secondary characters - these characters also had their own pages.
I also note from discussion below that Wikipedia policy is that an article can be merged into it's parent list without discussion if there is no opposition. Perhaps the discussion pages of secondary character and main character articles should all have a list of reasons for the separate page to prevent merging back and forth.
I was wondering if there are any conventions for determining who is what sort of character? I think it would be useful to try and reach a consensus on these conventions and produce guidelines for the decision on the importance of a character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opark 77 (talk • contribs) 00:26 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Having read the merge discussion for Brendan Filone below I have identified some criteria that other editors seem to use and started a list.
Potential criteria for determining a character's importance:
* Presence of a character on the main HBO character list
* Number of episodes appeared in
* Type of credit (opening titles/guest starring)
* Seniority - length of time in the series with characters who first appeared in the pilot episode given the greatest weight (added as per Sfufan2005's suggestion below) --Opark 77 22:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Main and Supporting Characters - Guidelines

message: I've copied a list of the main characters and added information relating to the criteria discussed above to show an evidence based approach to their categorisation. I've then include my opinion on each one. -Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 02:12, 28 April 2006
All of the current main characters should stay 72.57.92.95 15:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Main Characters

message: * Tony Soprano - appeared as a star in every episode of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Definite main character -Opark77
* Carmela Soprano - appeared as a star in every episode of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Definite main character -Opark77
* Meadow Soprano - appeared as a star in almost every episode of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Definite main character -Opark77
* Anthony Soprano, Jr. - appeared as a star in almost every episode of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
**Definite main character -Opark77
* Dr. Jennifer Melfi - appeared as a star in every season of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
**Definite main character -Opark77
* Christopher Moltisanti - appeared as a star in every season of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Definite main character -Opark77
* Silvio Dante - appeared as a star in every season of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Definite main character -Opark77
* Paulie Walnuts - appeared as a star in every season of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Definite main character -Opark 77
* Junior Soprano - appeared as a star in every season of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Definite main character -Opark 77
* Janice Soprano - appeared as a star from season two of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Definite main character -Opark 77
* Johnny "Sack" Sacramoni - appeared as a recurring guest star in season one, two and three. Later credited as a star from season four of the show to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Almost definite main character -Opark77
* Bobby "Bacala" Baccalieri - appeared as a recurring guest star from season two of the show onwards, later appeared as a star continuing to date. Included in HBOs character list.
** Almost definite main character -Opark77
* Artie Bucco, played by John Ventimiglia - Has appeared in the show since the first season. Now listed as a star. Included in HBOs character list.
** Almost definite main character -Opark77
* Adriana La Cerva, played by Drea de Matteo - appeared as a recurring guest star from the pilot onwards in season one. Later credited as a star until season five. Appeared as a special guest star in season six. Included in HBOs character list.
** Definite main character -Opark77
* Furio Giunta - initially appeared as a guest star in season two, later credited as a star until season three.
** Probable main character -Opark77
** Supported as a main character by Sfufan2005 (-Opark77)
* Sal "Big Pussy" Bonpensiero - appeared as a star in seasons one and two from pilot onwards. Later recurs as a guest star. Included in HBOs character list.
** Almost definite main character -Opark77
* Ralph Cifaretto, played by Joe Pantoliano  - appeared as a star in seasons three and four. Later recurs as a guest star. Included in HBOs character list
** Almost definite main character -Opark77
* Tony Blundetto - appeared as a star in season five. Actor later appears as a guest star in season six. Included in HBOs character list.
** Probable main character -Opark77
** Supported as a main character by Sfufan2005 (-Opark77)
* Livia Soprano - appeared as a star from season one to early season three, from pilot onwards. Included in HBOs character list.
** Almost definite main character -Opark77
** Supported as a main character by Sfufan2005 (-Opark77)
* Vito Spatafore - Initially appeared as a guest star in season two recurring into season five, later credited as a star in season six. Included in HBOs character list.
** Probable main character --Opark 77 20:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current

message: I've copied a list of the characters previously considered secondary and added information relating to the criteria discussed above to show an evidence based approach to their categorisation. Votes on the appropriate status of each character are beneath. I suppose we are using the secondary characters as those that aren't on the main character list but do appear in their own articles - so if anyone wants an article for a character nominate them and see how the other editors feel. --Opark 77 22:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be specific, he was alive for two episodes, his corpse was seen in one episode, and his picture was seen in another. He was effectively in two episodes.--Orion Minor 20:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous Secondary Characters

message: * Jackie Aprile, Jr. - Recurring 2000-2001 for 12 episodes. Not on HBOs main character list.
* 0:5:0
** Secondary --Opark 77 23:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current

message: Both Mikey Palmice and Irina Peltsin currently have a consensus for warranting their own articles. Would someone like to set them up and move the votes up into the current secondary characters section? --Opark 77 16:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be specific, he was alive for two episodes, his corpse was seen in one episode, and his picture was seen in another. He was effectively in two episodes.--Orion Minor 20:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Secondary Characters

message: I've created this section for people who can't find a character they want to identify in the list and don't have the information available to add them themselves. If you add their name to the list below then other editors can look them up and try  to find out as much as possible about them before creating an entry.--Opark 77 00:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions to the list

message: Now that the main page has been simplified (see above) the secondary characters appear in the alphabetised list of supporting characters. However each secondary character has their own article. Do we want to keep things this way or merge all secondary characters into the lists with the other supporting characters?
Personally I am in favour of leaving them with their own articles but I wonder whether links to their articles should also appear in the relevant sublist articles. --Opark 77 19:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some supporting characters may deserve their own articles. If well-written, non-stub articles are already in place, they should stay. Those with their own articles should already be linked to from here, and it looks like most of the less significant characters have already been merged where necessary. I've looked around a bit, and things seem to be pretty well sorted out. Kafziel 18:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So we should use the secondary classification to justify characters having their own page - still requiring a consensus or just if the article is long enough to be non-stub?--Opark 77 18:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there really is no distinction between secondary and tertiary; that was the point of setting the list up this way. In reality, there are main characters and supporting characters. No supporting character is really categorized any further than that. There's no such thing as an academy award for "best secondary actor" or "best tertiary actor". If you're not a main character, you're a supporting character.  The merits of the individual characters can be weighed to see if they deserve an article of their own, but most do not. So don't think about it in terms of secondary and tertiary. That was an experiment by Zarbon that ended quite badly and should really just be forgotten. What constitutes a stub is somewhat subjective, but the basic guidelines are at Wikipedia:Stub. Kafziel 19:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks Kafziel, I understand the distinction is academic but it is an experiment that has not yet ended - the secondary classification essentially still exists as long as some supporting characters have their own articles as we are distinguishing between the supporting characters by giving some of them individual articles. I just hope to reach a set of guidleines for how the editors want do this. --Opark 77 22:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If a character has his own article, his entry on the sub-page should really just be a one sentence synopsis and "see main article at Tony Soprano", etc. Also note that links to other articles should not be placed in section headings. Kafziel 19:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Kafziel, I have learned from that mistake! I will go ahead and add the links and short sumamries when I have time.--Opark 77 22:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Links to all the secondary characters articles I could find are now in place in the subarticles. --Opark 77 15:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Simplification Fallout

message: I am proposing that the following characters be merged into the list pages:
# Vito Spatafore - after today's episode, he won't be around for the final 9.
# Richie Aprile - total eps 12...
# Michele Feech La Manna - 3 eps...
# Gloria Trillo - not an important character at all...only 4 eps as well.
- Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 03:43, 22 May 2006
:Zarbon, fair proposals all. These merges are already being considered above and voting stands as:
:1. 3:1 in favour of Vito having his own article - I'll leave the tag on for a while but if there's no change in voting I'll take it off.
:2. 3:1 in favour of Richie having his own article - I'll leave the tag on for a while but if there's no change in voting I'll take it off.
:3. Against Feech having his own article - if you want to move this you have consensus and should feel free to do so. Please go through the other character profiles, timeline, main list of characters and relevant episode guides updating the links to Feech's bio if you do move the page. His entry in the character guide will need a list of episodes that he appeared in, which should be linked up to the episode guides and should retain his picture.
:4. Gloria Trillo has recently received her own page because of consensus voting above. It needs expanding if it's going to stick around IMO. I'd say it's a wait and see situation for now.
:--Opark 77 06:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote the same as Opark - Vito and Ritchie should have their own page but not Feech or Gloria. --MistaTee 13:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the rationale for Richie and Vito being starring "main" characters is largely that they're in the opening credits as stars. I know you're opinion was that it doesn't matter how many episodes someone is in it's what they do in their screen time that counts. Vito has held the A plot in a few episodes now. Richie was Tony's main antagonist for a whole season and his storyline with Janice gave him some screentime apart from Tony too.
* Which characters do you think have played a larger role than them? Or a similar role too.
* Are they already being discussed above in the list of main and secondary characters?
--Opark 77 07:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Proposals

message: :Category:Lists of characters from The Sopranos is a subcategory of both :Category:Lists of fictional characters and :Category:The Sopranos characters, so there is no need to explicitly tag this article as a member of those categories as well. --Paul A 07:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category tags

message: The elderly man Tommy who takes care of (and loses) Junior in Where's Johnny? is clearly not Tommy Di Palma. His last name is never mentioned. Back in early season 1, when Jackie is dying of cancer, Mikey Palmice says that Tommy Di Palma also has cancer, but "way worse than you". Whoever this Di Palma guy is, if he had cancer worse than Jackie, he would certainly be dead in 2004, four years later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.236.152 (talk) 20:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tommy Di Palma

message: Back when the Family Tree was on HBO's Sopranos web site, it said that Hesh was Jackie's Consigliere. Anyone know anything about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.236.152 (talk) 02:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hesh Rabkin

message: It is listed that Jimmy was Johnny Sack's Consigliere for his short tenure as free Boss. Anyone know why that is assumed? In All Due Respect, Neil Mink says that the whole "Petrille crew" was taken down, indicating that he's still the Capo of his crew. Also, at John's house, John tells Tony that Phil will likely want to become Consigliere, further hinting that Johnny did not yet choose one, and Jimmy was still only a Capo. Where did the Petrille Consigliere theory come from? --Ant1238 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.236.152 (talk) 04:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jimmy Petrille

message: For no apparent reason, the actor that plays him, he's listed as a main cast member since the first episode of the final nine. Since the article's policy towards main characters seems to be whether they are credited as such, should we include him? Or should we wait to see how the season pans out? --148.241.24.15 10:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butch DeConcini 

message: Excuse me but Silvio isn't dead yet.  At the end of 'The Blue Comet' he was seriously wounded.  I'm not an experienced enough Wikipedian to change the article, and I agree he will probably be dead by next week's episode, but in the interest of accuracy i thought i'd point this out.  Oh, and please forgive me for that last run-on sentence.
MathewBrooks 18:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Silvio Dante

message: I added Vin Makazian to the main character section since John Heard's name was listed in the opening credits of Season One.  Geeky Randy 05:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed him. He was listed as a guest star not part of the starring cast.--Opark 77 15:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hesh and Glorida were too, but they're still part of the cast.  Vin Makazian also makes an appearance in "The Test Dream". Geeky Randy 05:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vin Makazian 

message: Characters who are can be listed a Main Character should have one of the following:
* The actor/actress's name must appear in the opening credits
* Have a listing on The Sopranos Cast and Crew from HBO.com
* Be a reoccuring character that appears throughout Tony Soprano's dreams
* Appear in The Sopranos Final 9 Deaths Promo
All of the character, at the present time, that are listed as main character meet this requirement.  Therefore, characters like Walden, Agent Dwight Harris, etc. do not qualify. Geeky Randy 19:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. We have a process for determining who gets their own article as detailed above and that process relies upon editor consensus. I think the characters listed as main characters ought to be those who are in the starring cast only - this would preclude those who have the special guest star credit also.--Opark 77 21:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Characters 

message: Main characters are actors listed in the opening credits whether or not they appear in a specific episode.  Supporting actors are actors listed in the opening credits only when they appear in an episode.  Geeky Randy (talk) 09:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have shortened the list of main characters to 10 as they were too many. What i suggest is that were have a "Main supporting characters" list and a minor characters list instead of one huge list. Characters such as Janice and Bobby can go on to the Main supporting list. And characters like Raymond Curto and Finn Detrilo can go on the minor characters list. Every character on the "main" list and "main supporting" list should have an article to themselves.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by VSrugbyfan (talk • contribs) 11:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Characters vs. Supporting Characters 

message: A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 08:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

message: Whereas Albie Cianflowne has his own section that a user is directed to upon clicking his name on the list of Lupertazzi family members, when clicking on Butch DeConcini's name, one is simply redirected to the List of The Sopranos characters.
In other words, there is currently no info on Butch.  Can someone please fix this?  Butch was one of my favourite characters on The Sopranos.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.205.252 (talk) 20:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing info for Butch DeConcini 

message: Vito Spatafore 1  Vito Spatafore 2
Delete one? OreL.D (talk) 17:35, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vito Spatafore 

message: is a disaster.  There is rampant overlinking, numerous examples of poor writing, too much in-universe description, lots of speculation and opinions posing as fact, etc.  This needs to be copy-edited from top to bottom. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 19:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed 100%  Some major characters are not listed here, even though they have their own pages!  It's absurd.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.7.244.51 (talk) 04:08, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article... 

message: Albie's article states the following at the end:
"He does not disclose to Tony where Phil is hiding, saying he 'can't go there, but you do what ya gotta do.'"  I'm fairly positive this line is uttered by Butch, not Albie.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221bbaker (talk • contribs) 21:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote from Butch attributed to Albie?

message: All external links need to be listed at the end. Please make this change. I'll make it if no one winds up doing it. Best, Kingturtle = (talk) 16:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

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message: This series only needs one character list. These entries should all be trimmed, and minor characters should be pruned. All the lists should be merged, but one list should probably be merged at a time unless someone actually familiar with the series is available to knowledgeably purge minor characters. TTN (talk) 23:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: *This article in particular will definitely be cut down to like a fourth once the article is trimmed. None of these characters need more than a paragraph or two, so that's the bulk of the article. TTN (talk) 13:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

text: *Looking at the incoming merge list, there are quite a few characters that appeared in only 1-3 episodes, so I think I'll cut anything less than four episodes to start if this goes through. Though if anyone who has actually watched the show has input on a different style of cutting overly minor characters, certainly let me know. TTN (talk) 15:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for diving into the weeds on this one. One thing I would say about your proposed four episode cutoff for inclusion, is bring that down to three episodes (unless the character is really very minor or has little influence in the outcomes of the show). I would also say use judgement with any cutoff because those who may not appear many times can still have huge roles on the outcomes of the events of the show. For example when Tony roughs up Coco for his interaction with Meadow, this character only appears in two episodes but was basically the last straw for the Lupertazzi's to fully initiate their turn on Tony and his crime family. That being said, I'll keep an eye on your removals and raise any concerns here if I think a character merits inclusion. That also being said, do you have any plans of merging List of The Sopranos characters – Friends and family, List of The Sopranos characters in the Lupertazzi crime family and FBI on The Sopranos? Some of the characters overlap and many more of them are very minor in these lists, so I don't think it'll take too much more effort to merge them into one list (we can reevaluate this after this first list is merged). Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 18:54, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: One episode characters and some excessive details have been removed. I'll cut two episode characters later. I'll probably cut any three episode characters down to one to three sentences for the "minor characters" section I added, then we can see how we're looking on size. Any important context characters appearing in less episodes can also be added to that sectopn. Not sure if all these characters have redirects, but another project if so could be to redirect them to the episode in which they appear. I'll plan on doing the same for the other lists so long as no opposition pops up. TTN (talk) 18:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

text: Post merge, I think that the List of The Sopranos characters in the Soprano crime family could be moved to Soprano family, in line with Corleone family from The Godfather, adding back the history of the family and leaving the family structure. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 22:03, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

text: Since you haven't watched the show, please hold of doing massive cuts to the main characters, especially since those like Johnny Sack do not have their own article—cutting them down to a rigorous "two paragraphs" which seems to be an arbitrary benchmark has caused his summary to not make sense. I've merged all the characters who had three or more appearances from the sub articles. I'll go through the others to try and cut more. I took the liberty to move the two sub pages to Soprano family and Lupertazzi family, both of which have some basis of real life crime families - the sources are given there. I kept their history and structure while moving the characters here. WP:NOTCLEANUP, which I know is aimed at deletion proposals, but parallels can be applied here—there is no urgency to cut text that make the bios not make sense. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 17:30, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no major rush, yes, but it should be done sooner than later. Limiting the number of paragraphs makes sense for multiple reasons, featured content has shown that it's a reasonable standard to meet, size issues for the list not allowing for such detail, and reducing the plot information to the minimum necessary. I understand that a lot of things can fluctuate over 5-10 season of a show, but these ultimately need to be just a description. The episode articles are what should give users the details on how the characters develop. Only the absolute main character needs more than that, but I don't see any way the Tony Soprano article would ever need to be merged. While I haven't seen the show, it wasn't particularly difficult to trim that section due to it being nearly all on-going plot details. While an expert eye is needed to polish it up obviously, it should be sufficient for the time being. TTN (talk) 17:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll go through the rest of the large bios later today, and try to cut some more. It isn't as easy as just keeping the top two paragraphs from each bio while cutting the rest, as that causes it not to have flow or make sense. Different parts have different weights of importance in that character's span on the show. A lot of what's in the bio is fluff language, which easily removes half of its size, usually. After I cut what I think is necessary to ensure the bio makes sense, I invite you to do some of your cuts, but please be wary. Given this show ran for six seasons, and given its unusually high number of characters, I don't think this is an article that can strive for FA while maintaining the information necessary to make the bios and the page make sense. This and it's subpages are continuously edited by IPs, which is also a problem for puffery. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 17:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think ultimately a different approach to the coverage of characters will have to be taken. Even if it's not literally two paragraphs to start, there's definitely no way they can be anywhere near the current size. It's currently more of a tell-all profile, while a normal character section should be more of a basic "who are they and what are they like" kind of summary description. It's not like this instantly needs to be FL quality or anything. I just think getting it cut down will be beneficial for future editors, so this doesn't balloon up to 500kb when someone thinks "X character has X paragraphs and obviously Y character needs that much as well" and so on. TTN (talk) 18:08, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The merge and trimming is fully complete. The article sits at about 230 kb - and I will be keeping a closer eye on this article so that the IPs that inevitably pop up every now and then do not balloon the article further. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:38, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[:List of The Sopranos characters in the Soprano crime family]] into [[:List of The Sopranos characters]]  

message: I've fully updated the main characters as per the opening credits to each episode, this is all correct and can be cross checked via IMDb, which has a verified credit order.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.176.128 (talk) 16:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 20:13, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Character Status 

message: re: this edit of mine: 
Tony fails to repay the loan on time and starts berating Hesh about the vig on the loan which was $3,000 a week.
User:Vaselineeeeeeee reverted this w/o reasoning. I will revert that bc a) it's plain wrong and b) bc there's no source given. That alone is reason for deletion. tickle me 10:20, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you then see my follow-up edit?? Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 14:59, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged bad blood between Hesh and Tony 

message: I think there's enough info for these characters to have their own pages. MrCboY1997 (talk) 17:58, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Page For Pussy, Ralph, Phil, And Tony B? 

message: S6 ep 19 Foul quince (talk) 00:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it fair to say that Phil was the 92nd and final murder of the Sopranos - this would indicate an editorial position that Tony S was not murdered in the final scene.