Talk:Bach family

message: I'm searching for a HISTORY of the J.S. Bach family.
%How many sons(?) did he father?  (I'm actually seeking a history of his 21st son (of 20) PDQ BACH.
Thanks to Peter Schikele. ^
Charlieheretolearn 21:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if you realized that P. D. Q. Bach was an invention of Schikele, for comic purposes. He wouldn't have a place in an account of the real family. David Brooks 20:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Shouldn't the translation of "Ich lasse Dich nicht" be "I won't leave you" (or lit. "I don't leave you")? I don't know the text to this motet, but just noticed that "I wrestle and pray" is not a very good translation of the motet's German name. 217.18.180.146 11:17, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lasse" in this context is closer to "release" (it is a funeral hymn). The opening words in German are Ich lasse dich nicht, du Segnest mich denn - an idiomatic English translation would be something like "I will not let you go until I have your blessing" - although it is possible it is sometimes sung in English to words starting "I wrestle and pray"?? I won't fix this as the whole article is probably in breach of copyright anyway (see section below). How on earth did it survive all these years without this being picked up on!!!!!! --Soundofmusicals (talk) 06:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ich lass Dich nicht 

message: Shouldn't Johann Sebastian Bach The Younger be in the family tree?--Jax 0677 (talk) 04:56, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: He's in the list; I suspect there are a few more which are listed but are not in the graphical family tree. The Dutch Wikipedia has a different style of family tree which doesn't have him either as there's no Dutch Wikipedia article for him. These family trees are a bit tricky to edit; unless someone with expertise in them comes along, I suggest to leave it alone. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't Johann Sebastian Bach The Younger be in the family tree? 

message: "Sebastian Bach thus inherited the artistic tradition of a united family whose circumstances had deprived them of the distractions of the century of musical fermentation which in the rest of Europe had destroyed polyphonic music."
does this sentence seem a little bit clunky to anyone else? I'm having trouble understanding it, I think the author is trying to squeeze too many concepts into one phrase.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.14.55 (talk) 22:57, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  awkward sentence 

message: I think the section on the far right with Johann Jakob Bach (1682-1722) needs to be fixed. It says his son is Johann Ludwig (1677-1731) which wouldn't be possible; since the son would have to be born before the father. Looking at the expanded genealogical tree below the table it looks like the 1682 Jakob was confused with the Johann Jakob born in 1655 and listed as the father of J. Ludwig born 1677. If this is correct, shouldn't the table be fixed? --FeanorStar7 17:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Kudos to your eagle eyes, FeanorStar7. I think I fixed it, but please check. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:22, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: @User:Michael Bednarek, thanks very much; yes this looks correct. --FeanorStar7 11:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem with family tree

message: There seems to be a confusion on this page between Johann Jacob Bach (1682-1722), an older brother of JSB, and Jacob Bach (1655-1718), sometimes described as (Johann) Jacob Bach, a third cousin of JSB. The former died childless;: the latter was the father of Johann Ludwig Bach (1677-1731), the so-called Meiniger Bach.
See https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/stamboom_van_rems_dijkstra/I13077.php
Jacob Bach (1655-1718) is shown apparently correctly in the Expanded genealogy part of the Bach family page. He is a third cousin of JSB because they share the same great-great-grandfather, Johannes Bach (1580-1626).
However this distant cousin appears in the Partial family tree as a brother of JSB with erroneous wife and son. . The simplest solution would seem to be just to remove these three boxes from the family tree. JSB’s only other brother to survive childhood, Johann Christoph Bach (1671-1721) is not shown here and it would seem reasonable to exclude both from the partial Family tree.
I am a relatively unskilled editor of Wikipedia and I fear it would take me more time than I am willing to spend to make this correction myself. Maybe some more able person would take it on?
TonySamson (talk) 10:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparent confusion of two Bachs 

message: Does anyone else think the style that the article is written in is a little overly adorned and unencyclopedic? Some phrases in particular are "through all the misery of the peasantry at the period of the Thirty Years' War" and "so numerous and so eminent were they." And "the distractions of the century of musical fermentation which in the rest of Europe had destroyed polyphonic music" seems subjective to me. It reads like a non-fiction book rather than an encyclopedia. Would a tone tag be appropriate?
Sarbz (talk) 06:04, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It would, as would some thorough article clean-up. Toccata quarta (talk) 06:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, that's a verbatim quote from Francis Hueffer in the 9th ed. EB. It's impossible to overstate the importance of the Bachs; WP only reports what other writers have written. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone of article 

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