Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera/Archive 34

message: The :Category:Operas is now reconstituted and has been checked against The opera corpus. There are 1,027 articles which compares to approx. 1,635 titles liasted in The opera corpus and 1,800 articles in the New Grove Dictionary of Opera. This means that one third of the articles here are on operas, arguably the strongest area of our coverage.  -- Kleinzach 02:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Revised figure (after removing some anomalies): 1,053 articles on opera in :Category:Operas. -- Kleinzach 00:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Statistics: Opera title articles

message: In my peregrinations to find opera singer articles that needed portraits, I removed the OP banner from Hayley Westenra (added by bot). I left it on Cinderella Liao for now, but plastered the article with several other tags, for obvious reasons, and have put friendly warnings on the (sole) editor's talk page, User talk:Blo, again for obvious reasons.
As for real sopranos, I managed to add public domain portraits for Nancy Storace, Elisabeth Olin, and Faustina Bordoni. Best, Voceditenore 08:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. Someone else that I've been in contact with has been adding pictures to singer articles on the basis that any photograph/image over 70 years old is automatically out of copyright. Do we agree with this interpretation? (I have a collection of photos of early singers that I could make available if there were no hassles getting them approved.) -- Kleinzach 23:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I understand it is that the copyright lasts until 70 years after the death of the photographer, unless the photograph was already published before 1923, i.e. in a book or as a post card. But I could be wrong. For a two-dimensional work of art, the copyright is likewise 70 years after the death of the artist, and in the US, the photograph of the artwork is not copyright. See . Best, Voceditenore 09:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  refers to the artist as an author which looks odd to me. But if we can work on the principal that anything published before 1923 is OK that gives us a lot of scope. As you'll know a huge number of postcards of singers were published during the first three decades of the 20th century. -- Kleinzach 10:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia, "author" in this sense refers generically to the "creator" of the work, whether it's text, a software programme, a painting, building, sculpture, photograph, musical composition etc. Best, Voceditenore 11:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Another thing, the 70 year limit does not apply to publication. My understanding is that according to copyright law, the publication must be specifically before 1923 . As an example, if the photographer died less than 70 years ago, and the photo was published in 1923 or later, it would still be in copyright, even though its publication was more than 70 years ago. However, if the photographer died less than 70 years ago, but the photo was published in 1922, it would be public domain. All very confusing. Voceditenore 11:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  . . . . as the result of them changing the system - but we have to live with it. Anyway if pre-1923 is OK we still have a lot of material that can be used. -- Kleinzach 00:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sopranos and otherwise

message: Hi everyone. I just started the page for Salieri's opera La cifra. I've only been able to find one good resource on the web for the opera (and it's in Dutch). I'd appriciate help from anyone who may know of more resources.Nrswanson 05:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a bit more stuff and added it. I also changed the performance dates given, as they don't agree with anything else written about it. I'm not all that sure that http://www.operaweetjes.nl/ is completely reliable source. It certainly appeared to have got the date of the premiere wrong. Plus, it said that it had its next performance in "Keulen" (which I take to mean Cologne ????). But according to the German press, in 2006 La Cifra received its first performance in Cologne, and the source I used for the world premiere date didn't mention any performances in Cologne in 1793. In fact, it lists the first performance in Germany as Dresden, 1790. Best, Voceditenore 08:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you on all points. It seems odd that an opera company would make such a grevious error in scholarship.Nrswanson 09:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That site isn't from or for an opera company. It's a personal web site, as far as I can make out. Best, Voceditenore 09:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Grove has an article almost certainly by John Rice. I recommend starting off with Grove it makes it all much easier to get the basic facts from a proper source and an expert, although I see now that you have got some good references, -- Kleinzach 10:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: La cifra