Talk:Lions for Lambs

message: ===1===
*Mr. Sundance Goes Back to Washington
*'Lions for Lambs' to open AFI Fest
*Breaking out the big guns
*Peter Berg Talks Redford’s ‘Lambs,’ Racing Epic ‘Gone Like The Wind’
*Cruise, Redford expected at London Film Festival
*MGM builds online buzz for 'Lions'
*Meryl Streep talks politics and passion
*Cruise rolls out 'Lions for Lambs'
*Anti-War Film Endorsed by Redskins Owner/Republican Donor
*Star wattage waning at Rome fest
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*Cruise meets fans at launch of Afghan-themed film
*Redford goes to war in "Lions for Lambs"
*Redford, Cruise brood over war in "Lions for Lambs"
*'Lambs' screening packs MoMA
*'Lions for Lambs' Screenwriter Talks Political Minefields
*Michael Pena Interview, Lions for Lambs
*Redford back to his L.A. roots in 'Lions for Lambs' / cache
*Redford | "Lions" isn't just another war movie
*Redford’s ‘Lions for Lambs’ Penned by Clinton White House Intern
*Just A Minute With: Robert Redford on "Lions for Lambs"
Headlines. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Headlines

message: *Cruise meets fans at launch of Afghan-themed film
*Redford goes to war in "Lions for Lambs"
*Redford, Cruise brood over war in "Lions for Lambs"
*'Lambs' screening packs MoMA
*'Lions for Lambs' Screenwriter Talks Political Minefields
*Michael Pena Interview, Lions for Lambs
*Redford back to his L.A. roots in 'Lions for Lambs' / cache
*Redford | "Lions" isn't just another war movie
*Redford’s ‘Lions for Lambs’ Penned by Clinton White House Intern
*Just A Minute With: Robert Redford on "Lions for Lambs"
Headlines. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: During the movie, one of the characters states that the British infantry in World War 1 were lions led by generals who were like lambs, and attributed it to a "German general". Yet the phrase that is often used in the UK is "lions led by donkeys", which is attributed to a discussion between two German generals. I don't understand why such an obvious mistake was made. Jmorrison230582 20:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Times article citation I added What's the significance of the title 'Lions for Lambs'? refers to lions led by lambs as "one such composition" of the phrase used by the germans to refer to the british, and attributes the phrase as a modification of a famous line by Alexander the Great, but sadly it refers only to unnamed "experts" and "archivists" for its source.  Apparently, the phrase "lions led by donkeys" appears to suffer from its own lack of a reliable original source.  Btw, I agree that my current version includes too much of the quotation from the Times and am hoping to fix this, but would welcome anyone else who is willing to reword this, given the difficulty that the Times article is unsourced. Abby Kelleyite 18:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the current blockquote format, it looks okay.  Cirt 18:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Source of title?

message: At some point soon I will try to add some Production info, using the sources that  has kindly provided, from above.  Cirt 22:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production 

message: I recently added some information about some pictures displayed in the movie. This information was tagged for not citing references or sources. Is the movie itself not a reliable source of what was in the movie?
--Brianbarney 07:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The movie itself as a source? 

message: I think the current Critical reception section is too negative — it's all negative. I count 11 reviews. Surely someone said something positive about the film. Rotten Tomatoes says that 26% of critics gave the film positive reviews 3 positive reviews and 9 negative reviews is 25% positive. 3 positive reviews and 8 negative reviews is 27% positive. I suggest that 3 of the citations that point to negative reviews be replaced with citations that point to positive reviews to better reflect the ratio at Rotten Tomatoes. --Pixelface 10:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical reception

message: I removed the links to Box office bomb, Flop and List of U.S. box office bombs. The links are clearly a POV attempt to portray the film as a "bomb"; they are uncited (who said it was a flop/bomb?), there is no strict definition of a bomb to apply - so saying so would be original research, and this film isn't even on the list at List of U.S. box office bombs. Chris Bainbridge 13:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It implies characterisation. Consider the hypothetical situation: a 'See also' section on the George W. Bush article linking to Idiot, Stupid etc. Can you say that would be NPOV? The same logic applies here. Chris Bainbridge (talk) 15:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An understandable argument.  I will instead over time work the sources cited below into the actual text of the article in paragraph format.  Cirt (talk) 15:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bomb?

message: Didn't Alan Arkin play in this? Basketball110 03:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arkin 

message: It seems that "Lions led by donkeys" and "Lions led by lambs" would take on a much different meaning and maybe this would explain the use of "Lions for Lambs". Donkeys seems to refer to a different level of incompetence of leaders than lambs. "Lions for Lambs" is stressing the lack of military service and toughness by leaders who are so willing to send the "Lions" into harms way. This stresses their(leaders) personal meekness. "Donkeys" would put more stress of the lack of intelligence or their sheer stupidity. Hence the phrase "You Jack$$$" when someone has done something idiotic.The reporter in the movie drives this point home on many occasions when she jabs the Congressman with "So says the man in the Air-Conditioned office" and points out that he wasn't in the front line units(infantry). 
It's probably worth mentioning also that the title could also be a play on words of a major biblical theme.  Much is made of Jesus being a lamb on the first coming, but he'll come as a Lion in the second coming. And many other references to Jesus being a Lamb/Lion? I haven't found any specific references, but it seems that these words were chosen with purpose in mind.
Eagle70ss (talk) 20:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any WP:RS/WP:V secondary sources for these ideas?  Cirt (talk) 20:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible explaination about "Lions for Lambs" terminology 

message: I removed "Roth has her doubts and does not want to become an instrument of propaganda, so she quits.  When she leaves her office she drives by a military cemetery and breaks into tears. However, her commercial-minded boss is happy to publish the story." and elaborated on the message of the film a bit.  I didn't think this was a sufficient description or a necessarily accurate understanding of the message.  76.171.185.174 (talk) 00:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: I removed..

message: If, as stated, the investment (Production Budget) is $35 million, and the worldwide gross was $63 million, how does can its losses be as much as $50 million (last paragraph)??? - 70.179.113.122 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 07:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A film generally has to make at least three times its budget back to be considered a success. Theatres take an average 45% of the box office, but there are also marketing and publicity costs (which are usually not part of a production budget) as well as inflation to take into account. However, DVD sales and television rights can also offset this so a film's worldwide box office gross would not be the final total it makes.79.66.0.204 (talk) 17:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Budget/Loss

message: The inspiration for the plot of this movie is NOT based from Operation Red Wing.
Its based on the Battle of Takur Ghar in 2003 during Anaconda.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.207.122.134 (talk) 02:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspiration? 

message: Someone obviously did not like Meryl Streep's character, tried to clean it up without doing too much damage. Darkbase (talk) 06:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slight reword of plot 

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message: Does the plot section really need twice the reference to Garfields character being "privileged" in 3 sentences introducing the student? It reads awkward and feels... judgmental. --5.146.47.75 (talk) 21:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
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