Talk:ED-209

message: I changed "machine guns" to 20 mm cannons. According to this website http://www.robocoparchive.com/info/thegun.htm the guns are all 20 mm. 20 mm guns are known as cannons, not machine guns.121.209.82.21 (talk) 14:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: armaments

message: This article needs quite a bit of clean-up.  It's written entirely in-universe, and where "Production difficulties" talks about fictional difficulties in its fictional production, it could definitely talk instead about production of the animatronic or stop-motion model that is ED-209.  The article is totally uncited and means nothing to a reader who has never seen the film.  --Newt ΨΦ 21:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up 

message: According to this, "the senior vice president calls upon Kinney", not Kenny.  That would mean the "Cameos" section is wrong, the robot did not kill a man named Kenny. --DragonHawk 06:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kinney vs Kenny 

message: Your right, Primalchaos, the contentious phrase "Its unique design, intimidating look and numerous faults make it one of the defining and most remembered fictional robots of the 1980s." is clearly not citable, because it is subjective, specifically the "defining and most remembered" part. After reading about its numerous cameos and references, a reader MIGHT be led to agree with you on its "place in history", but arbitrarily stating this goes to far, and doesn't make this article more interesting, beyond acting as a mouthpiece for someone's opinion, which is pretty clearly what Wikipedia is trying to avoid. ---Jackel 16:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Change it back if you wish. I am not interested in getting into an argument with a grey face over a leading introductory paragraph. Your accusation of weasel wording is terribly inaccurate, however. Weasel wording is often used to warp articles to fit someone's opinion while trying to pass responsibility for that opinion onto some nebulous other, not give a fair elaboration based on the facts presented in the article. If you think it is inappropriate for the article, that's fine. But weasel words aren't an excuse to rip out elaborating text whenever you see it and reduce Wikipedia's prose to the dullness of a badly written textbook. Just say you don't think it should be there and make a bold editorial choice, rather than trying to prop yourself up with the wrong bit of Wikipedia policy. Be brave enough to just stand by your opinions, man.--Primal Chaos 21:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, I admit, this is less an example of weasel wording, and more an example of peacock terminology. They so often overlap, that I choose the wrong stylistic policy to "prop myself up on". Rather than "being bold" and simply reverting things we do not agree with, its sometimes more productive to discuss our differences. As such, I'll point out that rephrasing the contentious remarks is many times be a better choice than simply purging them. However, it seems your better suited at hurling insults (what exactly is a "grey face", that's a new one) than working for a compromise. Good luck with that. ---Jackel 15:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Primalchaos, your revision of this phrase is agreeable, and a very suitable compromise, nicely done. ---Jackel 15:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "defining and most remembered" weasel wording 

message: In the cartoon series and the Kenner toy line, the ED-209 is rebranded the ED-260. That might deserve a mention in this article. Also, does anyone know why they did this? -- JSAtkinson 10:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ED-260 

message: "It is unclear whether there is more than one operational ED-209 throughout the film. Either the film features different ED-209s, or there is only one prototype which is repaired between appearances."  At the end of the film, before Robocop arrives at OCP headquarters and destroys the ED-209 with the "Cobra assault cannon," Jones tells the board "I've got one downstairs guarding the building right now."  His use of the word "one" implies that multiple versions exist. I'm not arguing for this "fact" (since it's not a fact); I just wonder if the question of how many models exist needs to be raised at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.86 (talk • contribs) 
:We can only speculate as to how many there were, so I wouldn't mention any specific number because we simply don't know. It's been a while since I watched the first movie, but we could probably say the ED-209 appeared at least 3 times (from what I remember) 1. at the beginning when Mr. Kinney is gunned down by one, 2. when Robo is attacked in Jone's office and one chases him down the stairs where it trips and falls (major design flaw!), and 3. the one guarding the building. They could have all been the same one for all we know. Cyberia23 13:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of ED-209s in RoboCop? 

message: In the show Doug, at one point Roger gets a bunch of nerds to build him a super robot (that greatly disappoints him) that bears a strong resemblance to ED-209 (except that it's purple). Actually, it could've been in the Doug Movie, I don't remember exactly. 129.107.81.12 (talk) 08:02, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Doug" 

message: It says in the article that it was revealed later that Dick Jones intended to kill Kinney, which is most likely the reason why ED-209 had live ammo during the first scene.  But where in the movie exactly *is* Dick Jones's intention revealed? 68.229.1.32 (talk) 21:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick Jones 

message: I was wondering if Ed-209 will appear in the upcoming live action Robocop film that is set for release in 2010.Will it appear?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.10.182.243 (talk) 13:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 2010 Film?

message: I removed the text, "Web comic Crtl+Alt+Dl made a reference to ED 209. This resulted in controversy due to it's association with a miscarriage," for multiple reasons. The first being that the comic was posted today. No webcomic is so culturally important that it can make a boring, inoffensive, and overly-verbose joke and create controversy within twelve hours of its becoming public. Secondly, this specific comic has nothing to do with miscarriages; the gap in logic to link it to miscarriages is much too wide to leap. Thirdly, Control Alt Delete's own Wikipedia article has been deleted at least once because the subject lacked importance. There's no reason for the unsourced opinions of whoever reads this webcomic to be put into the pages of whatever Tim Buckley makes a comic about.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.103.204.235 (talk) 16:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While the linking of the Ctrl+Alt+Del webcomic to a "miscarriage" had no place here, I feel that the referral to the comic is justified within the "pop culture" section.  "Boring, inoffensive and overly-verbose" are all opinions that can also be applied to the other mentions within the section (Ducktales, The Cleveland Show????, an English Rapper) since they are a matter of taste, not fact.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.208.194 (talk) 04:27, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While boring and inoffensive are subjective, overly verbose is an objective point that can be made. The comic takes three panels and sixty words to set up the punchline, which is the brown haired man yelling "swiss cheese board-room-guy!" Then they keep talking. Unless there's a second punchline, the punchline is where you stop. This is basic comedic structure. I don't care about the miscarriage, I've never read the comic and I never will, but an online comic drawn by someone that isn't critically acclaimed doesn't justify a Wikipedia entry on an unrelated page. DuckTales and The Cleveland Show were/are successful in an incredibly cutthroat market, where the only reason Control Alt Delete will ever end is if Tim Buckley doesn't feel like making it anymore. Silver Bullet released an album in 1991 and singles beforehand, when it was totally impossible to do anything beyond a local level without a record label.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.103.204.235 (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

text: A brief mention (in dialogue, not even a picture) in a webcomic cannot possibly be considered as an important pop culture reference.Scientastic (talk) 11:34, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crtl+Alt+Dl 

message: The reference Sammon, Paul M. "Shooting Robocop" is not to come by, but the name Luchessi cited in the article is surely spelled wrong, as the special effects model builder Paula's last name is Lucchesi [] and not Luchessi (which cannot exist according to the conventions of building Italian family names). The few hits with Luchessi are solely WP and copiers  2003:F5:6F03:400:F407:C89:7385:AF1C (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paula Lucchesi