Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive/21

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# — Deckiller 22:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: March Roll call

message: I just finished the rework of the FF8 character list (now Characters of Final Fantasy VIII). I will continue to add script cites. I also merged most of the character articles, except Squall and Rinoa. My opinion is that we should follow a style similar to this and turn the other "lists" into articles. Thoughts? — Deckiller 02:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you really merge most of the individual character articles? Thank you! That's awesome. Personally, I'm going to try to stay focused on the FFXII FA push since, ostensibly, that is the reason I'm editting at all during my wiki-break. I'll be sure to help out with this stuff as soon as I get back for real though. Axem Titanium 02:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, and thanks. Plus, the article is already near GA status, so hopefully it will set a precedent. — Deckiller 03:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and merged the map of FF8 into the FF8 article and redirected the location list. Now all that remains is to get all the FF8 subarticles to GA status and I'd say we're done with our FF8 coverage for good. — Deckiller 03:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Awesome. This kind of maneuver should be followed for other Final Fantasy games. However, I don't particularly agree with the locations merging. I would've thought a "World of Final Fantasy VIII" article would have the potential for sufficient development information, but I guess it doesn't. --Teggles 03:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks :) The problem is the lack of context or out of universe info available; I couldn't find much beyond what Ryu and myself found for FF8 and what's already on the page. Although location articles like VII, X/X-2, and T/TA/XII (ivalice), and perhaps Vana'diel can stand on their own for sure. If we dig a little deeper, perhaps we can find info for a World of Final Fantasy VIII article? — Deckiller 04:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, so I've been a bit cheeky and moved all List of... articles to Charcters of... Gavin Scott 19:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Character pages

message: Let's just not use spoiler warnings at all, and not just omitting them for sections labeled as plot. Clearly, others agree with this, but do we have a consensus? — Deckiller 16:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Since this is handled among the Wikiprojects as a case by case basis, this discussion only applies to Final Fantasy articles.  For all the people that want to add spoilers to FF articles, point them in this direction and let them comment and add their views.  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 21:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:FF Consensus

message: I feel that these hidden notes border on incivility. It might reflect poorly on us, because there is a difference between frankness and rudeness, and sometimes it's hard to walk that line (see any of my comments related to this issue; I'm not happy with them, but I felt it necessary). How should we rewrite them to kindly point new users or readers to this page and our manual of style, as well as the general CVG concept of case by case basis? — Deckiller 23:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hidden notes on pages

message: I've drawn up a compromise to this issue to prevent a large debate from ballooning. Please see the bottom of the page. — Deckiller 05:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Compromise

message: List of Final Fantasy VIII characters was changed to Characters of Final Fantasy VIII because it includes development information, merchandise information, reception etc. But now all of the other ones have been renamed in the same suit; which should not have happened, they are still normal lists. Why did this happen? --Teggles 07:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the moving; our eventual goal is to get all articles to at least GA status, so they will all have to be moved eventually anyway. Also, in the past, I've noticed users mistaking these character lists for something like, say, List of rock instrumentals. The two are not the same; the character "lists" are, more accurately, merged superarticles. — Deckiller 21:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why have all of the FF character articles been moved? 

message: There's been a slow moving pseudo edit war going on over the past few months about the article titles of the Compilation articles. The argument is over the use of colons and hyphens (e.g. "Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII" or "Before Crisis -Final Fantasy VII-"). Basically, according to the WP:MOSTM, "follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment". According to User:SeizureDog, this entails removing the hyphens. However, it also stipulates "don't invent new formats", which is precisely what would be happening if one added an extra colon. I don't believe it would be too unreasonable to keep the hyphens in the article title (respecting Square Enix's copyright), while still "following standard English text formatting" within the article after mentioning the full title in the lead section (e.g., it would be referred to as "Dirge of Cerberus" instead of the full title "Dirge of Cerberus -Final Fantasy VII-", per WP:VG's style guidelines). I just thought I'd open up the discussion to the rest of WP:FF. Axem Titanium 21:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the colon looks much more professional and clean, but that's a personal opinion. — Deckiller 00:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally am inclined to using hyphens, but I feel that the guideline tends towards the use of colons.  My reluctant vote: colons.  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 00:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: But does it make sense not to "invent new formats" such as using a colon? Axem Titanium 02:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is using a colon inventing a new format? It is simply using standard English. Kariteh 15:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Standard English doesn't involve adding colons where they don't exist. I would prefer "Before Crisis Final Fantasy VII" over adding a new colon. Axem Titanium 15:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strictly speaking, "standard English text formatting" rules include the usage of the colon to separate clauses within a sentence, as well as to separate a title from a subtitle. Both would seem to apply in this situation: the title of the game as presented by SE clearly intends the specific game title to be separated from "Final Fantasy VII," which explains the inclusion of the hyphens. They're using a nonstandard method of dividing the title, yes, but the title is clearly divided. The standard method would be to use a colon, not to remove the division entirely. – Sean Daugherty (talk) 03:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I realize consensus is against me and also that I don't care about the issue quite as much as I did when I first brought it up back in October. Anyway, if Square Enix's own preference and the fact that using hyphens in an article title doesn't hurt anyone don't convince you, then so be it. Axem Titanium 03:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember why I first brought this up. It was the case of Dirge of Cerberus Lost Episode, because it's just so weirdly titled. I'd like to come to a consensus about the title of this article before moving on. Axem Titanium 15:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I know that this hasn't been brought up in a while but I was just checking the talk topics for Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus, I just wanted to point out that whilst some people are chalking it up to Japanese fanboyism (in the Crisis Core talk page specifically), the English boxes for the games follow the same hyphonated rule (at least I know my European English box does for Dirge of Cerberus, still waiting for this month's European release of Crisis Core to check that). The press releases announcing the games for American and European formats also use this same format (DIRGE OF CERBERUS -FINAL FANTASY VII- and CRISIS CORE -FINAL FANTASY VII- to be precise), so wouldn't it make sense to adhere to the format established by the company as opposed to what is gramatically correct to us? Its a "brand name", it'd be like saying Ipod and Itunes instead of iPod and iTunes (not exactly the same I grant you, but *shrug*). Just my two cents worth anyway. TonyKM (talk) 15:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyphens and colons 

message: FFVI, FFVIII, FFX-2, and I believe Chrono Trigger all got FA before FFVII. --Sir Crazyswordsman 01:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only Raul knows that one; I think he picked the "most popular". :-) — Deckiller 01:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where do I bitch about this? --Sir Crazyswordsman 15:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User talk:Raul654, but it'd be a waste of your time, since the FA queue is pretty much done by whim. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you can pull some strings, right? --Sir Crazyswordsman 22:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pull some strings with whom? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How did FFVII cut the line for front page? 

message: I try not to be stubborn, and I try to know when to quit or realize that previous ArbCom decisions will result in a losing scenerio anyway. To keep this issue from turning into another Wikipedia-wide debate on a new battleground, I have drawn up an idea for a compromise. Hopefully, this will allow both the Final Fantasy WikiProject and those who feel that spoiler warnings need to be used in certain situations to walk away without stress.
* As it has been for the last year, the Final Fantasy WikiProject should not use spoiler warnings for sections or articles labeled as "plot", "story", or "appearences". 
* Spoilers must be kept out of the lead sections of all articles, regardless if the tags are used later in the article. An exception is if the character is notable for the spoiler, or is influenced by that spoiler for the majority of the game. Case by case basis is key.
* Because all articles should have an out of universe perspective, spoilers will naturally be geared toward the end of the synopsis/appearences sections, which is why warnings are not necessary for those sections. The exception is setting sections, which are not spoiler-heavy anyway.
* Spoiler warnings should be used in articles where they are not already labeled by sections or article titles, such as Music, Gameplay, or Locations. One tag at the end of the lead section should be enough. However, not all of these articles require spoiler warnings; if a user expresses a need for a spoiler tag in one of these articles, it should be included unless a solid counterargument is given. For example, if the Music of Final Fantasy VII article mentions a certain character's death at the end of the first disk as one of the times in which a theme song plays, there should be a spoiler warning, as it is not expected.
* The in-line editors notes telling users not to add spoiler warnings to plot/story/appreances sections will be turned into polite statements, with an explanation of the rationale and a gesture to this talkpage or the project's style guide.
Thoughts on this compromise? — Deckiller 05:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with that. You could probably be even more strict/persuasive than that, and just avoid using the word "ban". -- Ned Scott 05:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay; I added a point to the fourth bullet at the end. — Deckiller 05:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, I reworded that bit. — Deckiller 05:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An unclosed spoiler tag encompassing everything in the article but the lead is certainly a... novel way of dealing with the issue.  --PresN 05:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This compromise was not really sparked by the outside opinions above; a similar situation has been seen before with naming conventions, and has resulted in an ArbCom case. I'm not willing to waste time at ArbCom, especially since people might want to use it as a quick way to get rid of our opinions. — Deckiller 19:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: My thoughts- I don't like spoiler tags at all.  I see them as really unprofessional, no matter where they are used.  Nevertheless, I agree that there is a reasonable assumption by readers that there will not be spoilers in sections that aren't named things like "plot" or "story", and that there will certainly not be spoilers in the lead.  I see a different solution, however: not that we should use spoiler tags for spoilers in those sections, but that we shouldn't use spoilers in those sections, if it can be at all avoided.  I know it's a pain, especially for big ones like Aerith Dies, but in most cases doable.  If there's no way around it, I reluctantly agree that tags can be used (case-by-case basis, how'd that happen?).  I also agree on the rewording of some of the "invisible" comments, as a few of them seem to be written by someone who had reverted a lot of tagging that week and were in a pissy mood about it.  --PresN 05:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that they are unprofessional, but sadly, we're in the minority here, so we have no choice but to compromise now. — Deckiller 05:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I recently changed the "invisible" comment in Final Fantasy (video game)'s Plot section to reference this discussion, which may be useful as a starting point for a standard comment. The other comment there, BTW, reflects the consensus that the NES names should be used in the non-remake-specific sections of that article. Previously we had no consistency due to people editing in whatever name happened to be used in the remake they just played. Anomie 15:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Warnings: a compromise 

message: I could probably use my ever-expanding Final Fantasy XII bestiary to help write and improve articles or sections of articles about monsters. Or are monsters too minor to have their own articles? Shadow Scythe of Strongbadia?! 12:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Monsters are way too minor. Creatures of Final Fantasy only covers the monsters seen in the most games (like Cactaur, etc), and even that is borderline notability for Wikipedia. You might be interested in helping the bestiaries at the Final Fantasy Wiki though. — Deckiller 14:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dang. I can never find anything to contribute to on Wikipedia. Oh, except Bomberman Quest. Maybe I should go ahead and do that. Shadow Scythe of Strongbadia?! 22:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Listen to what Deck says.  We NEED your help over at Wikia. --Sir Crazyswordsman 16:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  M-m-m-monsters? 

message: I was thinking, maybe the Final Fantasy games should have their japanese game covers in the articles (In replacement of the mostly US covers) As this keeps consistency, in all of the articles and also the consistency of the games japanese origins. Just asuggestion that I had in mind, what do you think? Keyblade Wielder 10:44, 24 March 2007 (AWST)
:I'd like to point you to a discussion above. Axem Titanium 03:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy Articles: Game Covers 

message: I just passed Final Fantasy II for GA, which means that every single main final fantasy, as well as Adventures and Mystic Quest, are now GA or higher.  Our featured topic is looking pretty good right about now.  Speaking of Featured Topics, with Characters of Final Fantasy VIII almost certainly to pass FAC, and Rinoa Heartilly up at GAC, it wouldn't take much to make a Final Fantasy VIII featured topic pretty soon.  FF8 and characters would be FA, Squall and Rinoa GA, which leaves Music of Final Fantasy VIII and Chocobo World in the template as B-class.  I know everyone's busy with projects like pushing FFXII to FA and improving the other "characters" articles to match FF8's, but it's something to think about.  Good job to everyone who helps out this project, good luck to the people working on FFXII right now, and a big thanks to Deckiller, who with his GA nom of FF2 and his FAC of chars of FF8, will have significantly contributed to 7 FAs and 8 GAs, with a 9th coming.  --PresN 17:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles has yet to reach the GA status; it even has a big Clean-Up template at the top of its page. But I guess it's not a main FF. Kariteh 18:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks PresN, although everyone has conributed to make this possible. Ouch, that one does need a lot of work. Perhaps before we get into improving all the gameplay subarticles and after the CharFF8 FAC, the FFXII FAC, and the FF8 FTC, perhaps we should focus our attentions on getting all the titles to GA? — Deckiller 23:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of those titles remaining to get GA/FA status, the only one I've played significantly is Tactics. I might be able to help out with that. — Deckiller 23:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current results of Article Improvement Drive 

message: This is a bold proposal, but it will only take 10-15 minutes of effort. I propose we merge the article Locations in Spira into Spira (Final Fantasy X). My rationale is that the games with significant out of universe sources available - 7 through 12 - really only need one setting subarticle. A subarticle for a subarticle seems excessive, especially with today's standards. Both are excellent works, so it should only make the core stronger by performing this merge. Of course, we can (and probably should, in my opinion) save this and the other setting articles until after the main articles reach maximum status. — Deckiller 00:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only problem I can see is that they are both reasonable sized articles, so merging would require reducing the amount of content, which may dissadvantage readers. Mattyatty 18:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but it could also serve as a means to preserve only the most necessary information, which is what an encyclopedia should do. We can take the full sections to the Wikia and provide an external link. I saw an editor flag one of the articles for some WP:WAF issue a few weeks back, and that's what got me thinking. — Deckiller 22:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bold proposal

message: Unreleased games don't belong in the template... but then why does Ivalice Alliance appear in it? No game or this collection has been released yet. Kariteh 20:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now it doesn't.  You can still get to it with the "Others" link, which is why it exists in the first place. --PresN 21:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, thanks for having removed it. Kariteh 14:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logic of the FF series template 

message: Someone added some tags that say the article needs sources.  (specifically, the Localization section and the GBA section).  I'm looking for sources from around the web, and I need help finding and adding them.  I also think that much of this is trivial anyway, and should be removed from the article. --Sir Crazyswordsman 16:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was me, in case you didn't know. I added it, because some sections do not cite its references or sources. So, please, cite your sources for FFVI. Sjones23 21:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of it's finished now.  I just need a source where someone says something about character lengths.  Woolsey interviews may have the source. --Sir Crazyswordsman 05:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you all hear that? If sources when someone says something about character lengths for the FFVI article, that will be totally appreciated! I quote from Sir Crazyswordsman that "Woolsey interviews may have the source." Sjones23 20:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I can't find the source in a week, I'm going to remove that sentence.  I won't let my prized work die. --Sir Crazyswordsman 22:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need some help with the FFVI article 

message: I found a "Masters' Guide" which is what Ultimania used to be called, for FFVI.  I don't know why we don't have articles on these or at least mention them in the Ultimania article. --Sir Crazyswordsman 22:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find some info on it to add, that would be great! Axem Titanium 02:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, what these are are called "Final Fantasy Settei Siryou," (or "Final Fantasy creation material.") and these are the actual name for Ultimanias.  Ultimania is in no way unique to the Sony FF games, to FF in general, or to Square in general.  I don't have anymore FFVI info, but  Here is an FFIV one in the process of being translated.  It looks really cool. I think this just MIGHT be the thing that allows us to bring other FFIV topics into Featured status (the article already is). Even if you don't find anything useful, it's still a great read.  Enjoy! --Sir Crazyswordsman 05:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  And speaking of the FFVI article 

message: For anyone who hasn't seen yet, Final Fantasy VIII has a FTC here. Anyway, a current point of contention is the necessity of a "World of" type of article as Deckiller mentioned. This hypothetical article would replace the "List of foo locations" articles by converting it into an article with out-of-universe perspective. Personally, I really like the idea but I'm a little worried about sources. On the other hand, I think all the other FF articles should follow FFVIII's template of having a "Characters of" and "Music of" supplement articles. Anyway, I digress. Are we up for a "World of" article? Axem Titanium 02:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have one in the sandbox right now User:Deckiller/World of Final Fantasy VIII to see if enough material can be gathered. — Deckiller 02:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: To add to that, I've found a very good official interview that could help A LOT with the "creation and influence" section in Music of Final Fantasy VIII (which has yet to be created...). After that there needs to be a compact of the albums (remove those ugly infoboxes), a "sheet music" section, and a "legacy" section (with things like concerts etc.). I plan to do this myself, I probably won't, but I'll attempt it. --Teggles 12:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Many featured topics do not even have all their articles at GA status. 2 FAs and 3 GAs is actually very good for a featured topic. More work can obviously be done to get the GAs to A-class or FA-class (for example, the star wars episodes FT and even our own final fantasy FT), but it's already met the criterion for FT quite well. Also, a lot of featured topics add subarticles as they are created or improved (the Final Fantasy titles FT is a good example). — Deckiller 13:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting how you wanted to do FFVIII before Ivalice.  Ivalice is probably much easier.  I think Ivalice should be our next target. --Sir Crazyswordsman 14:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Ivalice may be able to be upgraded to a Good Article given the exposure it receives on FFXII and even the Ivalice Alliance series. Bluerです。 なにか? 08:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FFVIII Featured Topic and "World of" articles? 

message: (copy-pasted from User talk:Kariteh#Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy XIII)
I question the addition of Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy XIII as a series to the Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Final Fantasy Agito XIII. Fabula Nova Crystallis is not a series; in essence it is just a collection of games formed around a common mythos. Final Fantasy VII, for example, doesn't list the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII as a "series", even though it includes many spinoffs, and I don't see why FFXIII should either. If Fabula Nova Crystallis is linked to in the first couple of paragraphs of any given article it covers, that would be perhaps more helpful than listing it as a series. --EvilReborn [会話]
:We have to consider these things from an out-of-universe perspective. FFVII doesn't list CoFFVII as a series (and I didn't add it myself to the infobox) because FFVII simply is not part of CoFFVII, and neither are FFVII Snowboarding and Maiden Who Travels The Planet. Even though they are all part of the Final Fantasy series and are related to FFVII. As for Fabula Nova Crystallis, isn't "a collection of games formed around a common mythos" precisely what a series is at the very least, if it's what the creators state (regardless of the presence or absence of storyline connections between the games)? The creators of the games are the ones who decide what's part or not of a series, and the storyline connections are often not considered. For instance FFAdventure is part of both the FF and the Seiken Densetsu series (while Secret of Mana is only part of the SD series).
:In any case, I'm going to copy-paste this on the WP:FF talk page, since if it has to be discussed, it has to be discussed with everyone. Kariteh 14:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly is the problem here? Please don't tell me we're going to be arguing about the semantics of the word "series". Axem Titanium 11:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is that EvilReborn questioned the addition of Fabula Nova Crystallis as a series to the infoboxes of the FFXIII/etc. articles. I put this stuff here for people to read in case someone were to revert the edits and say that FNC is not a series. But if no one disagree that FNC, Compilation of FFVII, etc. are series, then alright there's no problem. Kariteh 16:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you define a series?  "Final Fantasy" is a series, and yet the games are even less like each other than Fabula Nova Crystallis.  "Seiken Densetsu" is a series, and yet their games are as different from each other as "Final Fantasy."  The word "series" is very vague, and operates on subjective levels.  For example, the book The Legend of Huma is part of the Heros series, which in turn is part of the Dragonlance series, which in turn is part of the Dungeons and Dragons series.  The heroes series is a collection of stories that are related to each other.  The Dragonlance series is a collection of stories that are unrelated to each other, but take place on the same world.  The Dungeons and Dragons series is a collection of books that are unrelated, take place on different worlds, but all hold to a common mythos and theme.  Just because they aren't sequels/prequels doesn't mean it can't be a series.  I can name several examples off the top of my head that refute such a rule: The Dragonlance series I just described, The Xanth series (since book 10, 1-9 were sequels), The Alfred Hitchcock Presents series, Boogiepop Phantom, The Star Trek series (just try and tell me that DS9 and Voyager are related beyond the basic technology/mythos, I dare you!), the Tales from the Crypt series, etc.  The list just keeps going.  Obviously, a collection of games based around a common mythos can very well be a "series".  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 19:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: If the only issue is whether or not the "Fabula Nova Crystallis FFXIII" page should be linked in the infobox, then the answer is a resounding "yes". Axem Titanium 21:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it shouldn't, as no games have been released in the series, though I agree with Nicholai's point.  --PresN 05:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Released or not, they are still part of the series.  FNC should absolutely appear as the listed (and linked) series in the infobox of the XIII articles.  Perhaps you were thinking of the Navigation Box (in which it shouldn't)?  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 14:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I was definitely thinking of the wrong box.  Silly me.  Yes, Fabula blah blah should appear in the series section of the FF13 infobox, as it is in fact a series, and one that FF13 is a part of.  --PresN 22:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are "Compilation of FFVII," "Fabula Nova Crystallis FFXIII," and "Ivalice Alliance" series? 

message: Final Fantasy Summons. ...déjà-vu. Kariteh 09:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks familiar, again, and again, and again.  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 15:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone deleted and salted it, so we'll finally have no more of that.  --PresN 16:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't the salted article redirect to Final Fantasy magic#Summoning magic instead? This would be more useful than that cold, empty page. Kariteh 19:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that anyone can change a redirect into an article thus repeating history, and salting and protecting should prevent that from happening.  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 20:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, but I was suggesting about having the Final Fantasy Summons page be a redirection and also be a salted/protected page. It is possible to do this, isn't it? Kariteh 20:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But what if we change the name of the Final Fantasy Magic page?  Then a protected redirect would cause problems, wouldn't it?  It is an interesting idea, though.  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 21:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy Summons article 

message: User:Movellon keeps putting up this unconfirmed piece of news about FFXIII not exclusive to PS3. I've reverted basically two edits, not going to do it again. He's also violated the 3RR rule. Bluerです。 なにか? 19:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When you sense a revert war, try to invite them to the talk pages in the edit summary, and start the dialogue yourself.  I've put in a compromise, hopefully it will make both parties happy.  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 20:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh wow, never thought of that. Thanks for clearing it up. Bluerです。 なにか? 20:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FFXIII