Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Knots

message: I submit that the deprecatory comment on Ashley's bend now needs to be modified or eliminated. Dmacdd (talk) 14:15, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deprecatory comment on [[Ashley's bend]]

message: This article states that the New York Times mistakenly attributed the Pratt knot to Don Shelby. But the Times story referred to - on August 30, 1989 - which can be easily obtained by searching the headline "As Neckwear Goes, This Knot's News" and restricting the date range appropriately in the now-free New York Times archives - that article clearly not only mentions Mr. Pratt but attributes the Shelby-Pratt knot to him. Louis Massano.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.89.190.15 (talk) 07:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You make it sound so mischievous. --Smack (talk) 00:34, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unheadlined comment 

message: There's something funny about our treatment of the half hitch: it redirects to Munter hitch.  See Talk:Munter hitch. --Smack (talk) 18:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half hitch vs. Munter hitch 

message: My thinking on this subject was influenced by my recent work on the Rolling hitch and Taut-line hitch articles.  I wanted to record this stuff somewhere while it was fresh in my head, so I decided to add it to this project page.  I am looking for others to modify or add to these basic ideas so that we can come up with a set of guidelines that allow unified progress toward better knotting articles.  Hopefully these thoughts can form a starting point for a group concensus on the content and organization of knot articles.  I look forward to your comments on and improvement of the guidelines.  --Dfred 05:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion on "Informal Guidelines on Editing Knotting Articles"

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replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 14:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: We have , which I've seeded with three of my own photos, plus everyone's favorite Flemish bend.  Is there another collection of pictures, or should we run around and tag all of our pictures with this category? --Smack (talk) 06:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just de-categorized  yesterday because it has been a category with only one entry since the first tag. Plus, your item are not diagrams, they are photographs. I'm not sure  if having such a category will be helpful.  Do other projects have their images in their own category? If so, I say go for it. Dddstone 12:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I guess we could rename it to "Knot pictures" or something like that.  I figured that we need a big heap to keep the pictures in, but I'm not actually sure why. --Smack (talk) 06:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagrams 

message: In its current state Bowline does not represent where I'd like to see knotting articles go: specifically the unwikified format, unencyclpedic tone, lack of references, and NPOV issues wrt tying methods.  My feeling is that since it doesn't represent where we're headed, we should pick an article that does -- at least for the time being until Bowline's issues are addressed.  I would nominate Constrictor knot to replace Bowline.  It is a simple, useful knot and the article has most of the elements I would like to see in all knotting articles.  Thoughts? --Dfred 05:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After continued work on the Constrictor article I have changed it to be the project's sample article.  --Dfred 17:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New sample article

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thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Due to potential overloading of terms, I'm proposing the articles on knot components (e.g. Bight (knot), Loop (knot)) be renamed with (knot component) instead of (knot).  This clarifies the fact that these articles are not about knots themselves, which in the case of Loop (knot) is potentially confusing.  After the rename Loop (knot) will become an article on the class of knots, rather than the component.  --Dfred 20:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to rename knot component articles

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thread_title:  [[Portal:Textile Arts]] 

message: Paragraphs like that on splices "It is typically used for light lines (e.g., the log-line) where a single splice would tend to come undone, the rope being frequently wet." are extremely useful bits of information that explain why a knot or splice is used over another and for what reason. Not only are they an important part of the history and use of the knot or splice but essentially explain it's reason for existence and use over purely decorative designs. Propose more use cases and reasoning like this - as it is often something that is not written down.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.136.170 (talk) 22:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasoning behind knots and splices 

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thread_title:  A discussion 

message: Two questions.  What is the name of the knot being tied in the black braided rope in this Commons category?  Is the black twisted rope in the last picture tied with the same knot?  Thanks.  --Una Smith (talk) 21:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the end it results in a mooring hitch. Buz11 (talk) 14:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identify this knot, please 

message: Please pull together into an article the dispersed Wikipedia content about draw-loops, slipped knots, and "quick release" knots.  I want to link to such an article. --Una Smith (talk) 21:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Found Bight (knot).  --Una Smith (talk) 22:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article request 

message: I made some knot images, so far only of the Alpine butterfly knot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/avarab/collections/72157615576604530/
The images are licensed under CC-BY, perhaps they would be useful in the relevant article? Often there are multiple ways to tie a given knot and having instructions for all of them is IMO valuable.
Since the images are freely licensed they can be copied over to Wikimedia Commons if someone can be bothered, I'd do it but I haven't written a program to do so and the manual method is tedious.
If there are any other articles that need such illustrations I could provide them. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 19:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I made some knot images 

message: Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.
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replies: text: There's a list of knots and a list of knot theory topics. Michael Hardy (talk) 22:19, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there enough articles on Wikipedia to justify an [[Outline of knots]]? 

message: Another editor has asked at the reference desks for help in identifying and finding instructions for making a lanyard. The question is at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#Unknown lanyard. I feel sure there must be someone here able to help! Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 23:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a shot at it...  --Dfred (talk) 01:57, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lanyard knot identfication 

message: Not sure if this project is still active (?) but I figured I'd leave a notice here that I removed a disclaimer from the article Euro death-knot, which I just happened upon randomly. This was done as per the Wikipedia:NODISCLAIMERS guideline. Not sure how many other Knot articles have such a disclaimer but if for whatever reason this project decides to disregard that guideline it should probably be discussed here first. -- œ™ 01:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disclaimers on articles 

message: I am concerned about this edit.  At first I thought it might be simple vandalism, but it looks like there may be an actual controversy over the stability of the highwayman's hitch.  It is discussed at Talk:Highwayman's hitch.  I think that the solution may be to keep the text more like this version but then add in a caveat about Capsizing, but I don't know if that is valid because I don't really know anything about the subject.  Can someone on this WikiProject shine any light on the subject?  Yaris678 (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Highwayman's hitch]] 

message: Is the mathematical topic of Knot theory considered to be within the scope of this project?
I have noticed that the talk pages of some small knot-theory articles have the knot project, but not major pages such as Knot theory and Knot (mathematics). If this is a mistake, should they be removed? (and/or replaced with wikiproject mathematics?) --Qetuth (talk) 09:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knots vs Knot theory 

message: I'm not a member of this project, but have created a draft navbox for knot articles: User:Yunshui/Knots navbox. I'd appreciate feedback from knot-project editors before I turn it into a template and start whacking it on artcles. At present it seems a bit large and unwieldy, and I'm not sure about the categorisation of some of the knots. Please leave any comments at User talk:Yunshui/Knots navbox, and feel free to edit the draft yourselves. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 13:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Navbox - feedback sought

message: I saw this, International Guild of Knot Tyers Forum - Knots on Mars! (and a few thoughts on NASA's knots), and thought some here might appreciate. Possibly some ideas, or leads to refs, for various articles? ttfn, —Quiddity (talk) 09:17, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nasa's knots 

message: We have separate articles on both grief knot and water knot, which I think are the same knot. It seems to me that both articles would be well-served if they were merged.  I am not an expert on knots, however, so I am referring the matter to your project to act on as you think best. —Mark Dominus (talk) 22:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grief knot / grass bend / water knot 

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message: Hi,
Just a few random thoughts on the subject of knots.
Me: amateurishly interested. Some years at sea, though. Plea: not guildy.
Knot combinatorics (+): 
If we can go reductionist and identify 5 or so "basic elements" of knots, the number of possible permutations should be very large.  Cravatte tiers have made a website where you can choose from more than (IIRC?) 100k knots, to illustrate my point (knot all tangled rope is a proper knot). However, from a definition of technique (highest output for minimum input) + the criterion of ease of untying, this "phase space" will reduce to the knots we know (i.e. ABOK). IOW, do we need a (non-math) definiton of "knot"?
Knot combinatorics (-):
What can we learn from "knot x" being constructed of loops, half hitches or half turns? Nothing useful when you are hanging on for your life in the rigging in a gale. Scil.: actual method of tying being independent of theoretical schematics means either that theoretical schematics are sterile, or that methods of tying is a more useful categoriztion, provided they can be categorized.
Math Knot theory
Math Knot theory is useless for knotting. Pour example, all knots tied on the bight are not mathematical knots, as they do not "close". Put simply, math knots and real knots do not belong in the same discourse.
Knot classification - genus aspect
Knots = use of thread (rope, line, yarn, fiber...); thread is used in sowing, cloth-making, carpetry, dressmaking, decorative work, fishing ... Use of knots aboard ship is one of many other uses of fiber.
Seamanship _could_ have been a mother discipline to knotwork, on account of taxonomy. Of course there is the paradox that on a ship, rope is used instead of stone, iron, wood ... so, much is done to avoid using knots, in favour of tech that does not reduce rope reliability, (e.g. splices). However, you use a knot when no belaying pin is at hand. Stop gap tech.
Then there are the myriad ohter ascpects of ropework (serving, catting, mousing, whipping ...) and the myriad other sectors of seamanship.
Knot classification - species aspect
There's "utility" knots (knots being used to do mechanical work), "meta-knots" (knots being used to modify rope to e.g. facilitate e.g. use of rope (like stopper knots such as the stevedore knot providing better grip, shortenings such as the sheepshank, coiling, mats, .... possibly bends to extend ropes ...), and decorative knots (such as the Turks head, Monkey Fist, plaits and sinnets ....)
AFAICS modern braided rope is a "never-ending" plait, and as such a "knot" of purpose-determined length. 
Knots and rope
Knots are intimately associated with their material. One chief concern is the breaking point. It therefore would make sense to include splices as part of "rope technology" under "seamanship" more than under "knots", since splices technically are not knots, unless one makes a definition that says that they are. At present, short splices et. al. are "weave", long splices are "lay based rope joinings".
Procedural knowledge
Then there is the 'Correspondance Course in Bicycling' aspect: knotting is an aristotelian "techne", it should be known to your hands more than your head; and there are indeed sailors' ways of tying knots that have little to do with red and blue animated placards which no one has time to consult in an emergency anyway. Of course this cannot be solved until there is a wikipedia video how-to channel. One can do almost every Ashley function with an overhand knot. An overhand knot can be tied in one hand. Say no more.
All this to say that the subject of "knots" merits some thought on how to categorize it, and the subject of knots some on how to categorize them. 
Also there is, AFAICS, no page on "History of knots". No RS?
T 88.89.219.147 (talk) 04:45, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meandering like a an uncoiled rope 

message: Talk:Slipknot (band) to Slipknot. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested Move

message: Gripping sailor's hitch should not redirect to Sailor's hitch (a different knot).</br>
Instead, it should be removed, and Gripping Sailor's hitch moved to its place.</br>
--John Navas (talk) 02:11, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed --John Navas (talk) 15:58, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gripping sailor's hitch 

message: This page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_half-hitches, declares the double hitch to be a binding knot, but is not linked to from this list of binding knots, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_binding_knots. Hope this helps!
86.141.249.103 (talk) 17:10, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double hitch / two half-hitches 

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message: See: Template:The Ashley Book of Knots, which may be used to cite The Ashley Book of Knots consistently or edited so as to do so. Hyacinth (talk) 06:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Template:The Ashley Book of Knots

message: Boa knot seems like ABOK 1201 p218 File:Boa_knot.gif
:Looks similar, but is it not. The Boa knot has some more 'entanglement' in the center under the two crossing parts on top. Buz11 (talk) 14:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boa knot ABOK