Talk:Cultural appropriation/Archive 1

message: Bletch recently changed "Kanji" to "Chinese character" with the comment, "it is quite ironic to refer to them as Kanji in an article on this subject". Just trying for a clarification here: I'm not sure I see the irony. Are you referring to the fact that Japanese adoption of the Chinese ideographs itself amounted to cultural appropriation, or do you mean something else? -- Jmabel | Talk 17:22, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
:I've seen a few cases where Westerners have referred to Chinese characters as Kanji regardless of whether the context was Japanese or not.  Thats not technically "Cultural appropriation" as much as "Cultural misattributation" (if I may be excused for inventing a term), but it was close enough to strike me as ironic.  It was probably a bad idea for me to make a quip that could lend itself to misinterpretation; sorry about that.  --Bletch 21:56, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kanji / Chinese character 

message: unfortunately, many men from my race have lost their african ways and behave like westerners through the adoption of western government, laws, language and other stuff. Perhaps cultural appropriation is not the best way to describe it since all these institutions and customs were forced upon them. Maybe cultural domination or new imperialism should suffice. Blackpower 00:16, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Blackpower is somebody's anti-Deecee sockpuppet.Babajobu 18:46, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  reverse appropriation 

message: I'll leave this at the end for now, but I think it deserves more prominent treatment closer to the front of the article. All the other examples in this article relate to appropriations that have caused bruised feelings and wounded egos. Greece and FYROM have almost gone to war over who is heir to ancient Macedonia (See Foreign relations of the Republic of Macedonia#Naming dispute with Greece). Babajobu 10:30, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Greece/Macedonia

message: The additions have rounded out the article nicely.  I think it's a good 'un. :p deeceevoice 09:58, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Deecee, the added info on Egyptian architecture is fine, but I think it needs to be rewritten for clarity. I think that sentence is carrying too much information in discussing both the claims regarding Ottoman architecture and those regarding Egyptian architecture. The sentence is a little hard to make sense of, as written. Babajobu 10:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Yeah *grinning sheepishly*.  I know.  You caught me.  I got lazy.  I knew I'd have to go back to it and fix it -- but I'm pressed for time.  For the next couple of days, I'm only visiting the site as a brief, two- or three-minute destressor/break.  Today, I'm trying to clear my desk so I can pay my respects to Rosa Parks.  Have at it, if you want.  Peace.  deeceevoice 13:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem, condolences on Ms. Parks, maybe I'll give the sentence a go later. Babajobu 13:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

text: The sentence was a quickie -- but now that I've returned to it and read it, it makes perfect sense.  I don't see a problem.  But if you feel moved to change it, I certainly won't mind.  deeceevoice 22:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Good piece

message: "trustafarian," a portmanteau derived from "trust fund" and "Rastafarian." The term implies someone in a position of relative wealth or privilege who imitates or "appropriates" Rastafarian culture while being completely divorced from Rasta culture, which originated among the Jamaican poor."
Perfect example: Eric Benet
:Ha.  Funny.  But you pointed out a flaw in the caption, now corrected.  The term is generally reserved for whites -- not blacks. deeceevoice 22:12, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmmm. Okay. Babajobu 16:35, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "trustafarian" 

message: One other point: I don't understand the inclusion of the leprechaun mascot of the Boston Celtics at all. While some Irish-Americans may find the image offensive, there was no appropriation of Irish culture "by an external group, who often ignore the underlying purpose and intent of the expression". (If anything, the leprechaun of Notre Dame's Fighting Irish is more offensive, as it reinforces the stereotype of the drunken, pugnacious Irishman, but that's not cultural appropriation either.) --Angr/ 21:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Irish-Americans whatever... We're not talking about Irish-Americans. You might not find anything about it, that doesn't mean its not offensive. The whole point of CA is subjective.  - FrancisTyers 01:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Boston Celtics leprechaun

message: The caption has been chaged from "pan-African colors" -- which is absolutely incorrect, because there is no black, for the black skin of African epople and the soil, but gold -- which is not included in the African/black nationalist flag.  It's been changed from "Jamaican colors," because some think that's an allusion to the Jamaican flag (which it isn't intended to be).  A search of various Rasta sites identifies red, yellow (or gold) and green as the colors of Rastafari:
Rasta “Colors”- These are seen to be the colors of Africa itself: red for the blood of the freedom fighters who died resisting colonial rule, gold for the mineral wealth of the continent and green for the fertile lands and natural abundance. deeceevoice 13:23, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not incorrect. Recommended reading: Pan-African colours and Rastafari movement CoYep 14:12, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The colors are the colors of the Ethiopian flag. Obviously the man accused of "being completely divorced from the Rastafari movement" knows more about the Rastafari movement and it's connnection to Ethiopia than the "every day Blacks". CoYep 13:31, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: No.  I did not contest the colors' connection to Rasta culture and to Ethiopia.  What I contested was the term used to characterize them.  Oddly enough, I've been a pan-Africanist for more than 30 years.  Hell, I even studied the subject in university under C.L.R. James.  But I've always considered the red, black and green of the black/African nationalist flag also a symbol of pan-Africanism.  I never considered the notion of "pan-African colors" separate and apart from the RB&G.  The colors are most commonly paired with Jamaica and Rastafari culture.  And when I did a search and turned up nothing useful, I assumed the information I added was incorrect.  Certainly, the term "Rasta colors" is also in use by the Rastafari, because I found the term on various websites in my earlier searc h-- with no mention whatsoever of "pan-African colors."  But I have no problem with being corrected -- and being gracious about it.  It is, after all, a good thing.  deeceevoice 14:45, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rasta colors

message: Is Swastika an example of cultural appropriation by the Nazis? deeptrivia (talk) 04:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swastika