Talk:World of Warcraft/Archive 6

message: I believe the release dates are wrong.
I got my copy (EU) in August 2005, but it says the release date was November 2005.
Regards, Heidi
the release date for burning crusade is January 17, not 16. At least, thats what Wired mag sez.
:Wired is incorrect - the street date is definitely January 16, see this Blizzard press release, or the product pages from EBgames or other major retailers. --Stormie 23:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps other countries' release dates could also be added?61.88.43.91 05:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, although I'd suggest that the info would be more appropriate in World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade that the main World of Warcraft article. --Stormie 06:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Dates 

message: WoW now have 8 milion players, not 7,5 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cbswe (talk • contribs) 17:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very small notice 

message: ui.worldofwar.net is widely known to have a keylogger last I checked.  Should probably not have a link to it.
:Forums not maintained by Blizzard and other WoW fan websites, have been known to contain keyloggers, or hidden programs that resemble system files that steal keystokes from users remotely.  Keyloggers are not considered as viruses, and even allowed by McAfee and some of the other top selling virus protection programs,
::"...McAfee(R) AVERT recognizes that this program may have legitimate uses in contexts where an authorized administrator has knowingly installed this application.  If you agreed to a license agreement for this, or another bundled application, you may have legal obligations with regard to removing this software, or using the host application without this software.   Please contact the software vendor for further information..."
:Blizzard also highly discourages UI (User Interface) Modification program, which are used to enhance the game, but are allowed becuase they encourage creativity without giving an unfair advantage to users.  Imlookingnow 05:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  keylogger 

message: Would anyone be able to fix the page so that the text will run next to the info box, rather than having to scroll 2 pages down first? Slavlin 22:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting 

message: Since it's release in 2004, has a music major or composer attempted to self-reproduce the melody or theme song in sheet music format? Imlookingnow 05:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundtrack 

message: The gameplay section only takes into account the old maximum level; 60.  With the expansion it's now 70.
Can't change myself.
Kazookazoo 07:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Max level no longer 60 

message: I think Wowhead should be added to the 'Useful information' section.
What is Wowhead? It's basically a sexy-looking Thottbot. It provides:
* A clean and usable interface
* Colors that more closely jive with the feel of WoW
* Item/Profession/Class information
* Embeddable Talent Calculator (you can put the calculator on your site)
* Periodic contests
:What's there is enough. The section stays as it is. Havok (T/C/e/c) 11:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not a WoW player but it looks like a good site for players. Though to the general public, that would be considered serious cruft (no offense). Greeves (talk • contribs)  22:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: :1. Well written?: Very well written, and if I didn't know what World of Warcraft was beforehand, I'd say I'd have a good understanding afterwards. Pass.
:2. Factually accurate?: Everything is sourced well, and all concerns that placed this article on hold initially have been rectified.
:3. Broad in coverage?: The article seems to cover a wide array of topics. Pass.
:4. Neutral point of view?: I could not find any instances of prose written from a single point of view. Additionally, the controvery and criticism section is sourced. Pass.
:5. Article stability? The article went in to the GA process stable, minor changes needed to be made during, but it still seems to be stable coming out of the process. Pass.
:6. Images?: All fair use images to have fair use rationales, but I would still like to see a better rationale on the beta gryphon shot. Nevertheless, this still Passes
 
Overall, the article is well written, and it was a pleasure to review this article. My final verdict on this article's Good Article nomination, is Pass. --Kyra~(talk) 00:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This needs to be delisted - it's currently full of cleanup tags and has other problems like writing style and spelling. Richard001 22:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with you, but I think there's enough major editing going on that I think it's worthwhile to just see how those pan out before we delist it.  Luis1972 15:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Nomination Status: Pass

message: I liked what you did to my listing of Instances.  While descriptive, this is a higher level article and I did see that we have something already done one level down.  Kudos.Imlookingnow 03:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instances 

message: There is currently no discussion of the success of WoW, both critically and popularly, outside of the lead; only a "criticism" section with its own subpage. Perhaps this ought to be amended? Nifboy 13:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To maintain neutrality, this is necessary.  Supported. .Absolution. 13:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm currently working on this section. —Luis1972 19:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No reception section? 

message: I reverted the following edit, but not because I don't agree. Though these may be "obvious" to some, without a third party (not the reader or the writer) reference, it is really Original research to say these are definate references.
Also, this would be a HUGE list to cite everything. Don't forget Farmer Kent, the new Kessel Run quest, etc.
Included cut text below.
:References in World of Warcraft   
:* The NPC 'Terry Palin', found in the Eastvale Logging Camp, is a mishmash of the names Terry Gilliam or Terry Jones and Micheal Palin, all three members of the British comedy group Monty Python.   
:*The NPC 'Sergeant Hartman' is a reference to R. Lee Ermy's character in the film "Full Metal Jacket", Gunnery Sergeant Hartman.   
:* The hermit in Duskwood, Abercrombie, and the auctioneer in Stormwind City, Fitch, are together a reference to clothing label 'Abercrombie & Fitch".
Slavlin 20:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agreed. I've seen lists of these references elsewhere, and an exhaustive one would be longer than the rest of the article. And it is, as you say, original research. --Stormie 22:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If we could find some references (which might be impossible) we could create Popular culture references in World of Warcraft. That would only be if we could find references though as per WP:OR. Just a thought, doubt that it would happen due to a lack of reliable sources. Greeves (talk • contribs)  22:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If it is not cited, then it would be original research. If it is going to be cited, you would want to provide a link to a site which could be deemed a reliable source. For reliability here, I would look for interviews or statements from the company specifically acknowledging the references or from a credible non-commercial or gaming news site. You might try doing a google search for Linken and Abercrombie in the same article. That would probably give you something to start with, but again, I would be hesitant to start a huge list of these. Slavlin 22:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop references 

message: It appears the expansion subsection in this article is outdated.  If no one takes the reins, I will eventually find the sources to create a current, concise substitute. .Absolution. 13:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion Summary

message: The whole thing is told as though it's a real event, which isn't really encyclopedic at all. It's more of a story then a description of the game, it needs some serious rewrites. Jaenop 04:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, no disagreement there. I also think it should mention somewhere that this game requires a broadband internet connection and then a registered, subscription-based account online in order to operate the game at all; there is no offline content whatsoever. The reason I bring this up is because I got Warcraft 3 Battle Chest recently, which includes the 14-day trial edition of WoW as a bonus, but the computer I use for gaming (not this laptop which I am using to edit Wikipedia) does not have an internet connection, so I was a tinge taken aback when I tried the bonus disc and I couldn't do anything at all with it. Mentioning this strictly-online-only business may be practical for the article, if only to prevent somebody else from buying the game for a computer that's not connected to cyberspace. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Donate) 06:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the system requirements section, it does mention that a "56k or better Internet connection" is required. That is in the information template on the right. Slavlin 19:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that's just what I'm talking about; It lists an internet connection as a requirement, but I assumed it was listed up there because it was a requirement for online play, as in, it could also be played offline if you wished to for a moment. Probably a dumb assumption on my part, but it may be something to consider. I would advocate listing somewhere in the article that the game has no offline mode. But if listing a connection speed as part of the System Requirements for any game article automatically indicates to readers that the game that article covers is online only, then yeah, it should stay as it is. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Donate) 07:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: It might be interesting for those who would like to get this article into Featured Article contention to have a look over the multiple Final Fantasy games article which have achieved that status: Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2. Obviously a CRPG calls for a somewhat different approach to an MMORPG, but it shows what sort of level is needed. One feature of particular note, imho, is the complete absence of lists and tables of game elements - everything is described in prose. --Stormie 00:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. However, it might be more prudent to look for a FA on an MMORPG than a console traditional RPG as a reference, and bear in mind that WoW looks like a Diablo 2-style game set in a Sandbox-style world (Grand Theft Auto 3) so elements of those pages should be considered as well. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Donate) 02:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - there don't seem to be any MMORPG articles at Featured status, though. Have a look at Wikipedia:Featured articles#Sport and games for other ideas. StarCraft is Featured, for an idea of how to write a Featured Article about a Blizzard game. --Stormie 02:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked into it a few times for WikiProject MMO and yes, there is no article under our scope that is a FA however this is one of three GAs under our scope (the others being Make Love, Not Warcraft and Final Fantasy XI, but more to come!). Greeves (talk • contribs • reviews) 04:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does a computer RPG Featured Article look like? 

message: In the article, it states that monsters do not respawn in the instance unless your party leaves the instance.  However, I have played WoW before, and once the monsters DID begin to respawn after an hour or two, even though we did not leave the area.  Could someone clarify this for me?    RHSB Scipio 20:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Roving monsters will respawn over time, while bosses won't.  For example, Molten Core.  A good raid can complete Molten Core, including all bosses, in four hours.  But if the raid wipes, and has to re-enter the instance, they'll find the roaming "trash" mobs have respawned.  If the article says monsters don't respawn, that's incorrect.  Probably a clarification should state that bosses don't respawn, while roaming mobs will.  FeralDruid 22:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clarification on my prior point... it may take 30-60 minutes for these roaming monsters to reappear.  FeralDruid 22:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the respawn is about 10-15 lava surgers and core hounds until their boss is killed, the general respawn in MC is 2 hours for all mobs. Finally if the instance is left to reset (about 45 minutes after a group leaves) all mobs except the ones that are linked to bosses will respawn. BWL has no respawns (except that one room before Broodlord that stops respawning after he's dead) unless you fail to kill a complete pack (or they bug out). I honestly don't remember for AQ40 and Naxx but there are time based respawns there, much more manageable then MCs ones though. For the new instances that came out with BC I can't tell you because I quit WoW. PPGMD 04:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yep that sentence was inaccurate - many mobs (other than boss mobs) DO respawn in instances. I have removed it since it's better covered in the "Instances" section anyway. --Stormie 00:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Respawn in instances 

message: As of The Burning Crusade release, Blizzard has stated that a DSL line is the minimum internet connectivity required to play the game. I'm not sure if the orginal game's reqs have been modified, but I would assume the the connectivity requirements would transfer over. 24.205.34.217 03:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/technology.html the requirement is 56k or better, but dsl is recommended. I think that is pretty authoritative. Richard Manion 03:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small problem with min. system requirements. 

message: Where in the game are you able to get the flying mounts. WHat lvl do you have to be? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.1.76.207 (talk) 07:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Flying mounts are available at level 70. You can find out everything you want to know about this (and a huge amount of other WoW game info) at the World of Warcraft Wiki, wowwiki.com - see  for mounts. --Stormie 21:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flying Mounts

message: This section needs a major overhaul (I am a new user, I cannot make changes). There are multiple spelling errors as well as a large deviation from the subject matter. Also, there seems to be a great deal of loaded language against some of the described material Dwcarroll 13:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm currently studying this section, but it seems to be a plain essay or original research.  If I can't clean it up, I may delete it. Luis1972 15:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, Also, I think the whole entry needs to be fixed in relation to its use of words like "grind" and "aggro." Either we remove them, or we should make several stub entry's to explain them so someone who doesn't know what a video game is would be able to understand it Dwcarroll 20:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deviation from the MMORPG archetype Revision 

message: Hello everyone. Remember to keep an eye on the images in your articles. Over at RuneScape, we get a lot of vandals trying to be sneaky by hitting the image pages, since the main article is usually sprotected. We're not alone. I just followed a vandal's contribs to :Image:WoW-Lakeshire.png. The Image: namespace isn't as well patrolled as the mainspace, so it could have lasted quite a while. Cheers, CaptainVindaloo t c e 21:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Watch your images

message: Uhh, this page is locked so i cant add this but during production a Blizzard employee named Michael Koiter died and so somewhere in the game there is a shrine with the letters MK on it, and in spirit form(im not a WoW player, excuse my termonology if its wrong) there is a spirit healer named Koiter, so i think someone that can edit the page should add it209.71.200.215 00:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Condolences to Michael Koiter's family, but that doesn't really sounds like encyclopedic detail. There is some detail on him on www.wowwiki.com, though - see . --Stormie 06:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree.  I went there, and it's a nice memorial, but I'm not sure that that information is notable enough to belong on the main WoW article. — Luis1972 15:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Koiter