Talk:Battle of Pressburg

message: If any book is going to shed light on the events close to this battle, it is possibly this one:
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Bowlus has a good section on the difficulty of finding sources about the battle, pointing out the unfortunate gaps in the otherwise helpful chronicles. He says there was a 16th century writer named Aventinus who filled in many details about the battle, but either he was using sources that are now lost, or he was making things up. I wonder if anyone besides Bowlus calls it the Battle of Brezalauspurc? A limited preview of Bowlus's book is available on line. 
Another website (not a reliable source) was of the opinion that  'Brezalauspurc' and what is now Bratislava may not be the same thing. There is a work called the Salzburg Chronicles, or Annales Iuvavenses, which is where 'Brezalauspurc' seems to be found. But these chronicles were a centuries-later recontruction of earlier documents, so it is not certain how much they can be trusted.
Incidentally, there are enough sources available (even online) to write a much better article on this battle than what we have now!  It's just a small matter of time and patience. I imagine that "the Battle of Brezelauspurc" could be a better title, since it avoids deciding the equivalence between this name and later names. More reading would be required before deciding that. EdJohnston (talk) 16:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think also :The Battle of Brezalauspurc is the best soultion . I favour EdJohnston' opinion.Nmate (talk) 17:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The name "battle of brezalauspurc" does not exist, iow. such a title is original research and a violation of any rules. The fact that Brezalauspurc=Bratislava is as sure as the fact that Vindobona=Vienna. There is a lot of literature on this, unfortunately like always, not in English, and what Ed...writes above was solved some 200 years ago, if he was able to read other sources than English ones. For the rest a copy from the summary: the "battle of brezalauspurc" yields exactly 0 google hits or hits in literatue, "battle of pressburg" or of "pozsony" are anachronims just like battle of bratislava, but battle of bratislava has higher frequency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.168.233.106 (talk) 14:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See my 30 May's edit above: several names are used in English literature for the battle site, but Brezalauspurc wasn't one of them (maybe Google Books didn't scan EdJohnstons book yet). It's usual to use contemporary names for battles, e.g. Battle of Alesia, Battle of Gergovia, Battle of Eylau (battle of Bagrationovsk would be very silly in this case). In this case it might be less clear. I lean towards Pressburg, because it's seems the least "bad" option (Brezalauspurc is obscure and unfamiliar, Bratislava is anachronistic, Pozsony probably also). Markussep Talk 15:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The correct reasoning should go like this: For the year 907, Pressburg is just as anachronistic as Pozsony or Bratislava, because the town was called Brezalauspurc in German and Preslava in Slavic at that time, there were no other names. The Pozsony variant is thus wrong in any respect. The Brezalauspurc variant WOULD be logical, but it simply is not used. The next logical choice therefore is to use the current name. The Pressburg variant (being neither the correct historical name, nor the current name) could be only used if despite what I have said say 90 % of English (not German) sources would use this wrong name, but I dont think that it is the case.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.168.233.106 (talk) 22:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Battle of Brezalauspurc? 

message: The battle is considered the symbolic end of central power in Great Moravia. This is perhaps too strong. The Hungarians were doing well at that time, and they beat the Bavarians. And Great Moravia is already a hypothetical construct, meaning something like 'farther away Moravia.'  ("Μεγάλη Μοραβία"). To assume that there really was a central power in Great Moravia is to make a tower of hypotheticals. It would be better to stick to the data. (Our article on Great Moravia is pretty good in admitting the uncertainties). 
..a decisive victory at the Battle of Lechfeld, which brought internal stability to German lands. In actuality, the Germans were better organized at that time and they beat the Hungarians. The latter probably didn't think the battle improved stability.  EdJohnston (talk) 19:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV language 

message: According to the history of this page, it was moved on June 7th without any discussion.  However, much discussion has been sparked about the name since then.  Would it be okay with everyone here if I moved it back and then users could have a real discussion and poll about the naming?  --DerRichter (talk) 20:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just leave it where it is please, at least the title has one battle in it (not battles as before) and this name is not anachronistic. BTW Battle of Pressburg seems to be the accepted form, Britannica uses it for the battle. Squash Racket (talk) 03:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: I have to do a revert because Svetovid's recent edits is vandalism.
Nmate (talk) 13:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored a reference and you inserted an unsourced statement against the opinion of two editors. Prove that Battle of Pozsony is a name used in English if you want to use it.--Svetovid (talk) 13:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Svetovid, please read the talk page before launching revert wars. Squash Racket (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Nmate's account access has been blocked for two weeks.  Svetovid, if you would like to remove any of the attacks on you from this page, you have permission to do so. --Elonka 04:59, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: This article has become the subject of a two-person edit war. Instead of blocking both parties, i've opted for a month of full protection. Please open a WP:Request for comment or post at a Wikiproject if anyone believes the issues here are so important that they justify edit-warring. It may be that there is simply no good solution for the name of the battle, but editors are expected to search for consensus, and not just keep reverting. EdJohnston (talk) 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection   

message: The article is full of linguistic inaccuracies and faulty grammar.  For example, the author does not seem to be able to construct verb-tenses correctly.  The linguistic inaccuracies lead to a lack of clarity in the narrative which obscures or confuses the sequence of the events described.  Surely this should have been resolved before any attempt to interpret the content by those who are critiquing the article? Geoff Powers (talk) 20:27, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for technical correction of the article's language 

message: 60.000 on east Francian / German side? 
Isn´t it too high?
Most armies of that time had been much smaller - escp. if it was mainly the bavarian army.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.6.154.106 (talk) 11:03, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Strength of armies