Talk:Goth subculture

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:In Spraeklen's book (2018), at page 49; it is written << Other venues and spaces were coming to be associated with this alternative music scene, such as The Faversham pub and The Phono (Le Phonographique) where the disc jockeys (DJs) played music that was clearly defined as gothic to the local goths in 1984 >> .
:In Ladouceur's Book (2011), << Gothic Two Step: the original Goth dance move. [...] Take two small steps forward, then two steps back [...] Rumour has it, originated at a club in Leeds called THE PHONO where the dance floor was so small you could only take two steps in any given direction. >>  Woovee (talk) 14:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: January 2020: Le Phono (Phonographique)

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:In Ladouceur's Book (2011), "the Phono" is not mentioned next to the drink Snakebite. 
:In Spraeklen's book (2018),  Snakebite is mentioned nowhere. 
: From these sources, one can't edit this line "This same year saw the opening of Le Phonographique in Leeds, which was the first goth club in the world, and led to the creation of the "two steps forward, two steps back" dance and the popularisation of the snakebite within gothic culture" in this wiki article either, as it is wp:OR. Woovee (talk) 14:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually just recited that with the wrong source, I meant to use the Dazed source that we've already discussed. Sorry, I made that mistake, but wouldn't have it have been easier to mention that on its own here or mention it on my talk page rather than make two subsections? I'm really sorry if I've annoyed you with this whole situation, it wasn't my intentions, this information just seems important to this page and is clearly backed up with coverage. I mentioned a third opinion to you on your own talk page as I thought it would clear everything up for both of us, and at this point it seems best to respect the conclusion. Issan Sumisu (talk) 17:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: SilkTork on 8 January 2020 & I have already told you that the Dazed source including this line <<Unemployment meant buying clothes second-hand as well as making them was the only choice available, and similarly snakebite — which would become the goth ‘drink of choice’ >> won't work either to support your edit. Woovee (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You both said it didn't support the previous phrasing, I rephrased it the way that Silktone interpreted it as. If you remember, I perceived it as saying that the drink was created there, while he perceived it as saying it was first associated with the goth subculture there. You never explained what your perception was, but as we agreed on a third opinion, I assumed we were going to follow their perception, which I did. Issan Sumisu (talk) 11:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: January 2020: Snakebite

message: Below information was tagged for needing sources long-term. Feel free to reinsert with appropriate references. DonIago (talk) 18:50, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Here are some references for the Whitby Goth Weekend:  I don't know how well its known internationally but it's generally seen as the goth event in the UK, it's also individually notable, so I think it'd be a mistake to miss it out. Issan Sumisu (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced information 

message: While I understand that taking photos in black-and-white is an element of the goth subculture, these photos don't tend to be very illustrative of the subculture for outsiders. One of the signature elements of the goth subculture is black clothing. This is hard to see in black-and-white photos, where all dark clothing looks black. Loki (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this. Since there was no arguments against it in the two months since it was posted, I assumed nobody opposed the idea, so I inserted these images:  . Issan Sumisu (talk) 22:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we get more color photography?