Talk:Antofagasta

message: A group of users have added a lot of material but in a very poor English. I hope we can help enhancing the readability of this article. I am not the most appropiate guy to do this, but I'll give it a try --_N_e_g_r_u_l_i_o 02:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor english 

message: I moved this incomprehensible section here. I don't think it was helping readers at all.
Monument to Juan Lopez
"Previously to the poblamiento of the place, Juan Lopez, who is considered the first inhabitant of the city, settled in the sector of White Rock, today known like the Chimba, where the mineral extraction began of precarious way. The 10 of August of 1866 a Treaty of limits between Bolivia and Chile was signed, adding in addition an additional act the 25 to August. In this document one settled down both like limit between countries, parallel 24 of South latitude. Despite the stipulated erritorial division, both governments were committed to distribute by half originating products of the operation of the deposits of guano discovered in Mejillones and of the other deposits of the same installment to discover in the territory between degrees 23 and 25 of southern latitude, as well as the perceived rights of export on minerals extracted in the same territory already mentioned. Of Francisco and 1866 Jose, the 18 September Holy Ossa Puelma obtained the legal awarding of the salitrales land concession, after a request sent to the Bolivian government. After an expedition led by Jose Holy Ossa, Alfredo Ossa and Hermenegildo (that were the guide), the cateador Juan Zuleta discovered rich deposits of saltpeter (nitrate) in the sector of t, to the east of the present Antofagasta. After the finding, Jose Holy Ossa, Francisco Puelma and Manuel Antonio de Lama decided to form an Exploratory Society of the Desert of Atacama. The 19 of March of 1868 the Melbourne Company was constituted Clark, after the integration of Chilean and English interests. Later the company
obtained the 5 of September of 1868, an extension of the concession
granted by the Bolivian government, this time by 15 years. After the
conformation of the company, it quickly began to fill what the Chimba
was denominated, in November with 1866 official Plane with the new
population and port of Antofagasta, by Jose Holy Prada. After the
earthquake of Iquique and Cobija of the 13 of August of 1868, it was
necessary to recognize the Chimba like a mining town legally. The 27
of August of 1868, the President of Bolivia Manuel Mariano Melgarejo
ordered to the prefect of the Department of the Coast, the official
foundation of the Chimba, in the sector delimited by commissioners
Hilario Holy Ruíz and Jose Prada [ 1 ]. Thus, the 22 of October of
1868 officially were based the population and the port under the name
of the Chimba. Later the city was famous like Antofagasta. The first
official plane of the population and port of Antofagasta was designed
by Jose Holy Prada, the 14 of September of 1869. In this document, the
land of the Melbourne Company was delimited Clark, in addition to 17
apples and one main seat. The 8 of May of 1871, Antofagasta was
designated Greater Port, opened to the commerce worldwide. The 25 of
January of 1872, after a session directed by Subprefecto of the
Department of Mejillones Manuel Buitrago, the Municipality of
Antofagasta according to the Bolivian law of Municipalities was based,
where the Body of Municipal Agents was satisfied (later famous like
Municipal Meeting of Antofagasta), integrated by two Germans, English
and six Chileans. Felix Garci'a Videla assumed like President of the
Body of Municipal Agents, which was made up of munícipes Francisco
Errázuriz, Brown, Rescuing Emeterio Kings, Red Matías, Juan Vargas,
Luis Lichenstein, Ernesto Wolchmar Graf Buchheim and Luis Foster. In addition like
measurement before the uncontrol to the population, the Police
Headquarters was satisfied that was commanded by Domingo Machado,
which was in charge to regulate to the Body of Guardians of the Guard
of Order and Security. After which Manuel Mariano Melgarejo was
overthrown by Agustín Moral the 15 of January of 1871, the Treaty of
1866 limits was put in check by the government of Bolivia, not being
recognized by this part, because the division of taxes was
disadvantageous to the Bolivians. This conflict was solved later with
the Treaty of limits of 1874 between Bolivia and Chile Within its more
important points was not burdening during 25 years the Chilean
properties. Bolivia reacted delayed to the privileges that the same
government granted to the industralists in bordering treaties. Thus,
the Constituent Assembly of Bolivia arrived at the resolution to
create a tax of 10 cents on exported quintal of Bolivian territory,
decision that affected the interests of the Company of Saltpeters and
Railroads of Antofagasta. The decision of the assembly was translated
directly like a violation to article IV of the Treaty of 1874: The
conflict began to tensionar itself, because no of the parts wanted to
yield: neither Bolivia wanted to clear the tax, nor Chile to let
protest by him. Chile threatened declaring null bordering treaties of
1866 and 1874 if Bolivia applied the tax. Therefore, Chile noticed
that it would vindicate for himself the zone between the parallels 23
and 24 that protested before the treaty as his and whose rights had
yielded to Bolivia on condition that of the clauses that were being
violated. After which Hilarión Daza threatened to Chile the
confiscación and finishes off of the facilities of the Company of
Saltpeters and Railroads of Antofagasta if the created tax were not
paid (besides to threaten the term of the other concessions), the
Chilean government reacted making weigh anchor to the White Armored
one from the port of Valparaiso, the December of 1878. The Bolivian
government interpreted like a provocation that Armored the White
amaneciera Encalada in the road of Antofagasta the 26 of December of
the same year. The conflict worsened when the Bolivian government
decided to finish off the Company of Saltpeters and Railroads of
Antofagasta, which refused to pay the tax. The closing of the company
was programmed for the 14 of February of 1879. In answer, Chile
decided to maintain cast anchor to in the port of Antofagasta. The
morning of the 11 of February of 1879, Chilean president Aníbal Pinto
in meeting next to its cabinet, made the decision to go to the war.
The reception of the telegram sent by the plenipotenciario minister of
Bolivia, with the message "Cancellation of the February law,
vindication of the salitreras of the company" gatilló the Pinto
decision of, who ordered the shipment of the B and the ÓHiggins
Corvette course towards Antofagasta, making occupation of this city
next to the Wharf of the Company of Saltpeters and Railroads of
Antofagasta. This operation was carried out the 14 of February of
1879, when Antofagasta was occupied by Chile, as a result of the
disembarkation of Chilean troops in Antofagasta in charge of colonel
Emilio Sotomayor. This event is translated like the first Chilean
military action of the conflict known like War of the Pacific, because
with the occupation they occurred beginning to the combat operations
of all the war. The 26 of May of 1879 the First naval action of
Antofagasta from the Huáscar Monitor was carried out, while the
Chilean troops paid tribute to the lieutenant commander Carlos
Condell. The Second naval action of Antofagasta was carried out three
days later. Later the Pact of truce between Bolivia and Chile of 1884
was signed, which established that the territory between the Loa river
and parallel 23 would be under the administration of Chile, whereas to
Bolivia the access would be allowed him the ports of Arica and
Antofagasta. Nevertheless, both treaties left subjects pending that
were clarified in two later treaties, the Treaty of Peace and
Friendship between Chile and Bolivia in 1904 yTratado_de_Lima of 1929
with Peru. The Treaty of Peace and Friendship between Chile and
Bolivia, subscribed the 20 of October of 1904 and promulgated the 21
of March of 1905, established to perpetuity the borders between Chile
and Bolivia. The territory of Antofagasta was definitively within the
Chilean borders but in return Chile was committed to construct a
railroad that united the cities of Arica and La Paz, and granted to
Bolivia the free transit of commerce through Chilean territory. With
it, Bolivia definitively recognized the permanent Chilean sovereignty
on the territory previously in dispute. Nevertheless, this treaty has
been constant origin of diplomatic tensions between both countries
during century XX and beginnings of century XXI, because Bolivia lost
all sovereignty on the Pacific Ocean. The alluvium of Antofagasta
de_1991, registered from the 18 of June of 1991, devastated with great
part the city, undermining lands, damaging 2,464 houses and destroying
493 constructions, all this causing material damages that in the
occasion calculated approximately in American 70.000.000. The
catastrophe left a balance of 92 deads, 16 disappeared and
approximately 20,000 4 victims [ ]. Four years later, at dawn of the
30 of 1995 July, an earthquake de_Antofagasta_de_1995 of 7,3 in the
Escala_de_Richter Scale and with an intensity between VII to VIII in
the Scale of Mercalli was registered in the city. The hurt dead event
approximately left a one hundred and three balance fatal, and
structural damages that were slight for the magnitude of the event."
 BuddingJournalist 03:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is translated from Spanish: Jose Holy Ossa = Jose Santos Ossa --Keysanger (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Monument to Juan Lopez

message: I'm tempted to go back to this version, which at least features more comprehensible English, and which I can actually help improve by copy-editing. Anyone object? I don't think the current version is in any way helpful to readers. Also, I doubt someone spent a lot of time/effort to expand the article to its version. I have a feeling someone plugged in text to one of those free online translation tools and pasted the shoddy results here. If no one objects in a few days, I'll do a revert back to the old version. BuddingJournalist 03:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Jespinos 15:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the revert. On to the copy-edit! BuddingJournalist 06:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert?

message: There are so many pictures on this page in galleries. Perhaps they need to be culled or editorial comment found or a page for them opened. The satellite pic could be of anything. Any views? SuzanneKn (talk) 20:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: "Desert climate with abundant cloudiness (BWN)" does not exist in the Köppen climate classification. From this image it looks like BWk, and not 4 climates at all. I have removed the dubious paragraph and kept only the mention to desert climate. Calimo (talk) 09:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Desert climate with abundant cloudiness (BWN) 

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message: How does a city with an average annual rainfall of less than 0.1 mm have 5 notable floods from 1940 to 1991?  It should have received just 5 mm (0.2 inches) of rain in that entire half-century.  Is "average" here the median rather than the mean?71.195.219.145 (talk) 14:18, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Floods typically occur when a river or other water channel overflows its banks. It is not uncommon in desert areas for rainfall in the mountains to course downhill and inundate these channels.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Average Rainfall and Floods 

message: "Antofagasta devorada por las flores nunca conocerá el secreto de la sombra" appears in Ignacio Martínez de Pisón's Antofagasta (novel).
I take it as a hint to wikt:ἄνθος ("flower") and wikt:ἔφαγον ("devour").
Is a Greek etymology considered even as a poetic false etymology?
--Error (talk) 12:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Devorada por las flores 

message: Hello. I had a qeustion about the wording a sentence in the introduction section. The following sentence 
What does "Ethnic Chilean" mean? Do we even have a Chilean ethnicity? What I presume is that it's meant "Chilean settlers" as opposed to settlers and migrant workers from Bolivian territory. So, why not say that instead, as it would make more sense? BasilLeaf (talk) 18:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question BasilLeaf. The tradition of ethnic identification in South America is not necessarily the same as that of Europe (which is often assumed to be valid worldwide). For example, in contrast to Europe, ethnicity is not linked to language ("one language, one nation, one state"). The bulk of the population of Bolivian Antofagasta were Chilean nationals, born in Chile and identified as Chileans by Chile and Bolivia. I don't have any source at hand right now, but most likely they also identified as Chileans. Whether you identify "Chileans" as nationals och Chile, an ethnic group or both is not really relevant to this article. Dentren | Talk 14:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording of introduction Section