Talk:Battle of Manila (1899)

message: It looks like there are two identical photos with conflicting cutlines on this page one referring to U.S. battery in action at the Bridge of San Juan del Monte, 1899 while the other claims its Utah Battery in action on McCloud Hill. Perhaps someone could clarify or correct this issue?199.1.137.105 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, the battery was located on on McCloud Hill and was firing on the Bridge of San Juan del Monte (see the description info at :File:Utah_Battery_San_Juan_Bridge.jpeg). It should probably appear only once in the article, and with a better caption. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

text: As the former anon who aked the question above, I still would like a documented source (probably a book) that shows the Americans provoked the battle. I haven't done a great deal of research into the matter yet, but the sources I do have seem to imply that either there was a misunderstanding or the Filipinos started the fight. CJK 23:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicated photo?

message: Elwell Otis fought in many of the battles of the Army of the Potomac including Fredericksburg and Gettysburg. During the Siege of Petersburg, he was in command of a brigade in V Corps leading it into action at the battle of Peebles' Farm. A wound during the siege effectively ended his field career during the Civil War but he was promoted to brevet brigadier general of volunteers. He continued serving in the army during the Indian Wars as lieutenant colonel of the 22nd Infantry, including campaigning in Montana in the aftermath of the Battle of the Little Bighorn. In 1893, he was appointed brigadier general in the regular army. In May 1898, he was appointed major general of volunteers and was sent to the Philippines with reinforcements for General Wesley Merritt. When he arrived, he assumed command of the VIII Corps, replacing Merritt who had become the military governor of the Philippines. When Merritt left, Otis was appointed Military Governor. 
Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Otis

message: Following on the POV Bias and Official records sections above, I've redone the Background section of the article, replacing it with two sections, currently headed First shots and Reactions of Aguinaldo and Otis. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Background'' section redone. 

message: I've recently reverted two edits from separate IP addresses making the same change to the Reactions of Aguinaldo and Otis section of the article (, ). The change contradicts supporting sources (I'm not currently able to check the dead-tree source cited in the article, but see the sources mentioned here). I don't know if this is different anons making the same edit or the same anon making the edit from different (probably dynamically assigned) IP addresses. Anyhow, I left messages on both IP talk pages, and thought that I would mention it here. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anons changing article assertions re ''Reactions of Aguinaldo and Otis'', contradicting supporting sources. 

message: According to Teodoro Agoncillo's Malolos: The Crisis of the Republic, Aguinaldo, immediately after the battle, ordered an investigation on whose side the first shot came from. Most interrogations were of Filipino commanders as well though, mainly because the Americans claim that they only reacted to Filipino violation of territory at Balsahan Bridge. It was clear in the book that the first shot did come from the American side even if there was no violation of territory. It was the Americans who cross the Filipino zone often. Also, the investigation showed American maneuvers in preparation for offensive as early as February 2, 1899, two days before the first shot. I think that such details weren't in this article yet. Arius1998 (talk) 05:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intitial Filipino investigations about the first shot of the war 

message: seems a WP:BIO1E, no indication he did much besides shoot somebody once. Eddie891  Talk Work  22:55, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Support He doesn't seem notable on his own for a separate article, and that article has all the main details. Reywas92Talk 01:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Klbrain (talk) 11:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[William W. Grayson]] into [[Battle of Manila (1899)#First shots]]