Talk:Inverness

message: "3,555/(5.47%) of the population speaking the language.".  This is far too exact (and obviously wrong, as people move/die etc).  Better to say "approx 3500"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.156.240.17 (talk) 12:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy 

message: A reference, pref. from the National Office of Statistics or the like to support that Inverness will double in size and is the fastest growing city in Western Europe. I have heard this story repeated several times but have never seen any official reports or forecasts to back this up.
Seems to me the claim should be removed from the article. It seems like unattributable hype. Laurel Bush 13:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute

message: Inverness isnt English? The place has no English name? Laurel Bush 10:12, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it does: the big bold name at the very top is the English language name.--Mais oui! 10:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Should not the "galic" name be translated like at other city pages?  Does the galic not translate to "Mouth of the river Ness" or something similar? Runwolf 19:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names in info box 

message: I was just curious if anyone, specifically the writer could explain this comment in the Culture & Sports area - 'Inverness is an important centre for bagpipe players and lovers' Firstly there is no further mention of love, nor lovers in the rest of the article. and also, I have never ever seen, nor head of anything to do with love, however, if someone could explain the comment further, I would be happy to change my views! Thanks 81.106.139.233 10:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it means people that love the bagpipes, not couples. Codu (t)⁄(c) •  16:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture & Sports 

message: Seems to me any population figure for Inverness or the city thereof needs some reference to definition of boundaries, which is far from obvious from the terms Inverness, Inverness City and City of Inverness. Laurel Bush 14:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population figure 

message: Perhaps this is incorrect, I'm not sure.  Is it true that in the last century Inverness was the only place where the cabinet met in full outside of London.  I seem to recall reading somewhere Inverness town hall once housed a cabinet meeting or something similar upon the outbreak of war as a result of the prime minister being on holiday at the time?
*No, it is true. Sometime in the 1930s something came up in August when the cabinet- including Winston Churchill- had to urgently decide about developments in Ireland. The most convient place was Inverness, and they met in the Council Chamber in the Town House- where there is indeed a display of the signatures of the Cabinet. This was the only time the Cabinet met outside London. --Slackbuie 19:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it my imagination? 

message: I think that atleast something should be mentioned in the article. Here is my suggestion:
"Inverness has recently experienced a high level of immigration, with a sudden influx from mainly Eastern European countries. This is due to such countries as Poland, Buglaria and Romania joining the European Union. However, it is extremely difficult to state the number of immigrants, as European Union citizens have the right to move around Europe without being recorded.
Hypertone 14:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks rather POV to me (those nasty foreigners who may or many not be here), and certainly lacking citation. It also doesn't explain why this should specifically apply to Inverness as opposed to anywhere else. AndrewWTaylor 13:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immigration 

message: "The right to speak for the city is assumed by the Highland Council, in association with a local enterprise company[2]." What does this mean? Inverness is certainly governed by Highland Council, but the enterprise company is a non-elected body.
There is also discussion above about the boundaries of the city. It seems to me that that would be area of the Ward Boundaries of those councillors who serve on the area committee. Admittedly that stretches far into the countryside. Nevertheless the chairman and deputy chairman of the Area Committee are designated Provost and Depute Provost of the city. Slackbuie 12:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The coat of arms has been refused by the Lord Lyon as Inverness is a city "in name only", should this be reflected in the description here?  Inverness is a city in name only.  It also appears that there was an error on the city charter so there are doubts about its validity.  Lochaber News  --jmb (talk) 14:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Lord Lyon does not grant city status, only coats of arms, so his views are irrelevant to Inverness's status. There should be more material on the debate over the city's governance, though. Lurker (said · done) 14:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  City Status again - and area committee 

message: The area committee section of the article is of date as regards political composition.
Also, the area in its current form will disappear under this year's reorganisation of council management and committee structures. I am not clear as to what exactly the area will be replaced with, but it will be within East Highland, one of three new Highland Council "operational management areas". East Highland is also known as Inverness Nairn and Badenoch and Strathspey, but its area will be rather different from the sum of the committee areas with those names.
Laurel Bush 10:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area committee section - update needed 

message: It appears to me that because the 'city' lacks clearly defined boundaries, all statistics about it are virtually meaningless and worthless. The statistics could be about almost anywhere. Laurel Bush 10:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics worthless? 

message: Would I be right in thinking that the Highland Council HQ buildings represent a re-use of premises of the historic Inverness county council? Apart from the way advertised by council billboards fronting Glenurqhart Road, the buildings not unattractive. Laurel Bush 14:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highland Council HQ architecture 

message: What does this river flow into? At present we have one idea in the intro and something else down page. Laurel Bush 14:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It flows into the Moray Firth, the Beauly Firth is further east. And the term Inverness Firth is no longer used Lurker (talk · contribs) 14:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Beauly Firth is further east than what?  Beauly, yes.  Inverness or the Moray Firth, definately not.  Do you mean "further west"? Lianachan 21:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  River Ness 

message: It is clear that the issues relating to  the contents of the infobox for this article are rather more general than specifically about the city of Inverness. The whole issue of the UK infobox place may well continue to be controversial, but (at some possible risk to my sanity) I suggest a dialogue at the relatively neutral territory of Template talk:Infobox UK place/doc/examples. Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 20:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like your attempt at diplomacy has failed. I note that 3RR has just been broken by User:Breadandcheese. I have requested that he self-revert but he denies that he has broken 3RR. --Mais oui! (talk) 11:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox issues 

message: The page move is nonsense. Can we get this page moved back to Inverness, and if Laurel Bush wants it moved she can hold an WP:RM. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 15:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: Important buildings in Inverness include Inverness Castle, Inverness College and various churches.
:"Inverness College" presumably refers to the "Executive Office" building, perhaps something should be written about the original use of this building and its history.  I would have expected a mention of Dr Bell's School, Abertarff House, Greyfriars church and the Town Steeple. --jmb (talk) 07:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Buildings

message: Reference #22 provides, no doubt, evidence that the city has been dinied arms. I'm no expert on the subdivisions of council in Scotland, me being English, but I though this may be relevant:
http://books.google.com/books?id=0EBiwcy4x5EC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA159,M1
showing a coat of arms for the Burgh of Inverness. Is it still in use? I'm not really interested, but I thought it should be mentioned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarry1250 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The old royal burgh of Inverness did indeed have arms, but they reverted to the crown when the burgh was abolished in 1975. Some community councils have been allowed to re-matriculate the arms of former burghs with certain changes added, but AFAIK I know this has not been possible as the town (sorry city!) is divided into a number of community council areas. Lozleader (talk) 18:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of arms and the Flag 

message: I've made a few changes to the layout, what is everyone's thoughts on them? I placed toponymy as a sub-section under history (there is no need for it to have its own seperate section) - as an aside, I'm trying to look for information on the heraldry of Inverness to add to article. 
I changed the wording, but no the actual content, of the opening three paragraphs of the article so that it was more flowing. This entire article is in drips and drabs and really doesn't flow too well at the moment?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.209.74.218 (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're probably right. As far as the heraldry of Inverness is concerned: at present it doesn't have any. The Royal Burgh matriculated arms on 9 February 1900 (Lyon Register, xv, 74). These included design elements dating from the seventeenth century. These reverted to the crown in 1975 on the burgh's demise. The Inverness District Council matriculated arms on 7 September 1975 (Lyon Register lix, 34) These repeated the main parts of tye burgh arms ("our Lord upon the Cross") and the cornucopia from the burgh crest. Sadly the dromedary and elephant supporters of the burgh arms were not allowed! These arms themselves disappeared in 1996. The present Highland Council has a very complicated coat of arms which again includes the figure of Christ crucified in reference to Inverness (can't find the ref for that this moment, but I do have it...) I have an image of the burgh arms which is public domain. It would need to be made clear that the arms are obsolete, however, and as the city has no corporate existence it can have no arms per Lord Lyon. Lozleader (talk) 13:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout, wording, cleaning up 

message: Why is their a density statistic in the infobox given that there is no defined "city" (i.e. council area) of Inverness?  If the density was figured using some statistical definition of the city, then that land area statistics needs to be added to the density figure, otherwise, the density figure is worthless standing alone like it does. --Criticalthinker (talk) 02:28, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Density 

message: Several reports from the Inverness weather station suggest at the current climate data is incorrect. For example, the record low temperature for February is recorded as -11.1'C, but records show that at the very least -15.1'C was recorded on the 14th of February 1987  and also -13'C on 10th February 2010 . As such, I suggest that the current climate data is likely incorrect, potentially in all regards.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.245.85 (talk) 05:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: The page has again been afflicted with people arguing over the population of Inverness. There are quite a few different figures knocking about so let me put down here what they are and where they come from, so people understand which one they are trying to put in the article. 
Firstly there are the official locality and settlement figures from GRO Scotland. The most up-to-date versions of these are the Mid 2008 estimates, as this is a biennial publication published 18 months in arrears. Mid 2010 estimates should be published shortly however. These figures are calculated by aggregating urban postcode units. The methodology can be found here: http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/statistics/geography/scosett/annex-c/introduction.html and a map of what is included in Inverness can be found here: http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/images/map14.jpg. These are the most accurate and reliable figures as they are aggregated up from the smallest available building blocks - postcode areas with populations of 50-100 as opposed to datazones which have populations of 600-800 and contain large areas of rural 
°The 2008 GRO mid year Locality figure for Inverness is 44,220. This is the core population of Inverness itself and is what should be used to compare with other cities/towns etc.
°The 2008 GRO mid year Settlement figure for Inverness is 56,660. This figure is arrived at by combining the Inverness locality figure with those of neighbouring Balloch (1,430), Culloden (4,210), Simthton (2,230), and Westhill (4,560). this should be regarded as the most reliable comparable figure for a "Greater Inverness area".
°The figure currently used in the article - 60,890 - comes from a Highland Council profile for the area described as "Inverness (incl. Culloden)" and the source is given as 2009 GRO mid year estimates. This will be an aggregation of the available 2009 datazone level figures from GRO. It will therefore slightly exceed the actual population of the urban area as it will also include surrounding rural areas which are combined in the datazones. This figure is the most up-to-date but not as reliable as GRO settlement figures and cannot be compared with numbers given for other Scottish localities/settlements.
°The figure of 73,476 covers the entire Inverness "District" a former administrative division of Highland council. This figure certainly should not be used to refer to Inverness in any article about the urban area of Inverness as it will include all people in the surrounding area such as Fort George, Ardersier, etc that would certainly not be considered part of Inverness.
I would advise using the GRO 2010 mid year estimate settlement figure when it becomes available (Feb/March 2012) as it will be reliable, comparable to other areas and up-to-date. It is likely to be somewhere between the current (datazone derived) figure and the 2008 settlement figure. I would guess about 59,000.Andrewdpcotton (talk) 13:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population (again) 

message: The climate information was removed by an anonymous user because the information was for Kinloss. What there is to understand here is that most climate recording stations are actually outside of the cities they intend to collect the information for. The recording station for Inverness and area is in fact located nearby in Kinloss. There is no station in Inverness. When the information was on the wiki page, it was properly labeled as Kinloss for people to realize this. There does not seem to be a significant difference in geography that would alter the climate information in any meaningful way between Kinloss and Inverness and I believe that is why the government approved this location for the station.
I am reverting the removal of this information.Air.light (talk) 06:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate information 

message: Hi Hypertone, You need to be careful about just removing population figures from this article. As you can see from the archives there are many and varied ways of defining Inverness depending on if you include Westhill, Culloden, Smithton and Balloch,. This article has had some very poorly sourced and inaccurate population figures at times. The version you keep removing showed three figures: one for Inverness (including Westhill), one for Culloden (including Smithton and Balloch) and one for the two combined. In order to keep it simple we didn't go into all that detail. 
As you appear not to like the Inverness and Culloden terminology I have changed it to a Greater Inverness figure and used for consistency either the GRO Scotland Settlement figure (2008 onwards) or the sum of the Inverness and Culloden Settlement figures pre 2008 which equate to the same area. To make citation easier I have changed to using the Inverness locality figure for 2003 - 2010 from GRO Scotland which is smaller than previosuly shown as it does not include Westhill.
It is very important to show both these figures as previously people have switched between definitions to try and prove a very rapid expansion of the city which actually merely reflected changes to boundary definitions. Andrewdpcotton (talk) 09:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Following your recent edit of the Inverness article, I'm looking to discuss these matters with you. Firstly, I think "Greater Inverness" would likely include more than simply the various settlements to the east of Inverness (of which I think it would certainly be difficult to claim that Westhill was an autonomous and separate entity in the form of a village). Perhaps what is currently term "Inverness" could be described as "Central Inverness", what is currently "Greater Inverness" could simply be "Inverness" and what we would call "Greater Inverness" should include the population of commuting villages, such as Kessock etc. Many thanks! Hypertone (talk) 22:17, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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message: Someone vandalised it and put a bunch of 69s in the population numbers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atomaeons (talk • contribs) 10:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population in the Lead Section 

message: I coming from Norwegian Wikipedia, and checking out this article I notice that Torvean is linked to Torrean civilization. Context indicate that Torvean is a place near Inverness... Please check this out. --Finn Bjørklid (talk) 17:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something might wrong 

message: "The only surviving modern remnant is a clock tower."
Although this clock tower is approx. in the location of Cromwell's Citadel I think it's actually the remnant of a cloth factory from the 1700s which became a rope factory in the 1800s. This is detailed in the book Slaves and Highlanders by David Alston. Wigigigi (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the alteration I suggest above. Wigigigi (talk) 17:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cromwell clock tower