Talk:The Dave Clark Five

message: Someone needs to explain to me the rationale for a Wikipedia article on a British pop group being written from the first paragraph from the US-perspective ... complete with US discography, not UK discography. Another in a long list of examples of contributors assuming that a US-view is THE local view.
--621PWC (talk) 19:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  US-centric perspective 

message: The current article states : "Between 1975 and 1993, none of their music was available (Clark, who controlled the DC5 recordings, would not licence any of their hits); labels like Time-Life Records and Rhino tried to license DC5 hits without success, so the band's hits were never included in any of the late vinyl-era reissues or the early CD reissues. The 1993 double CD "History of the Dave Clark Five" was released with great fanfare and sold well, but Clark took it off the market after three years and again, no material was available until 2009, when the iTunes titles became available."
This is clearly not a neutral point of view, as it slants the article towards a negative viewpoint of Clark's latter day activity and influence.  Now, this may be "factual", however there is no reliable source to substaniate these statemenets.  Please note Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources. Specifically - "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."  Wikipedia may be content to let the present situation continue until a more balanced, and much more importantly, referenced situation situation prevails, however please note Wikipedia:BLP.
I am well aware that various factions are attempting to slant this article, and those afflliated with it, towards the pro and anti Clark camp.  Neither is sustainable without Wikipedia:Sources.  Please note I am not biased either way on this point, nor is Wikipedia.  Continual editing to try to substaniate either viewpoint will be removed unless those guidelines stipulated earlier are observed.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:44, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I understand your problem with that quote.  To me it seems like a simple statement of the known facts.  Clark very sensibly kept the rights to the masters of everything he recorded, therefore the availability or otherwise of the band's records has to be down to him.  There are no allegations in there as to his motives.  Which was the part that you feel was slanted? Deke42 (talk) 11:56, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How about  "Between 1975 and 1993, none of their music was available to be purchased in any commercial format, as the rights-holders declined to licence the band's recordings at that time. In 1993, the double CD "History of the Dave Clark Five" was released with great fanfare and sold well, but it was taken off the market after three years. No DC5 material was then legally available until 2009, when selections from the band's catalogue were released on iTunes."  All observable facts, with no slant that I can see....  74.12.85.72 (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral point of view 

message: There is a dispute as to whether Dave Clark's date of birth is 1942 (as quoted in many sources) or 1939 (identified as a possible "true" answer). Mooncow (talk) 20:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Age is a major issue when you are a rock & roll band and so, Dave Clark was about 24 in 1963? The Beatles were born, 1941-1943? Marvin Gaye was born around 1939 as was Smokey Robinson; Petula Clark was born 1932. Frankie Valli was born around 1934 - 1935. Hence, the Beatles were around 22-23 when I wanna Hold Your Hand was released; Valli was about 25 -27 when Sherry was released; Pet Clark was 32 when Downtown was released. The Supremes were asked their age during a concert in Scandinavia; they all answered "23" when in fact, Wilson & Ross were 24 and Cindy Birdsong, born in 1939, was 29. Americans are particularly twitchy about ages whereas Europeans are a bit more forgiving about age. Dave Clark has not aged well, in any manner or form, and has been accused of having had an unfortunate "Face Lift." The man looks dreadful! Upon looking as his face, it would be quite believable that Clark, today, would be 83 - 84. Valli is about 88; Clark is 91. Spenser - The Unknown (talk) 22:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

text: As support for User:MilborneOne's comment further up this thread, there is a record of a marriage between Edward Clark and Cissie Bartlett in 1928 in Edmonton.  We know (from other sources) that Dave Clark's mother was born Cissie Bartlett, and his father was Edward or Edwin Clark.  The only birth, over a ten year period, of a David Clark, in Edmonton, to a Clark née Bartlett, is the one registered in the last quarter of 1939.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Your claim is probably true - but do you have written verifiable evidence for it?  Most editors here, I think, know as a fact - from multiple primary sources - that Clark was born in 1939.  The problem is that reliable secondary sources don't say that - they say that he was born in 1942.  He apparently still claims he was born in 1942, and, per WP:BLP, unless there has been discussion of the point in reliable sources we go with what he, and the secondary sources, say.  It would be good to put up a footnote by his "date of birth" along the lines of "Note: there is evidence that he was born in 1939", but so far editors have not wanted to go down that route.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:57, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:RS, WP:V and WP:BLP.  Basically, it means that something like a book or newspaper needs to have reported the 1939 date of birth.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:17, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dave Clark date of birth 

message: I don't know enough about the early history of the DC5 to make any alterations, but I do know that they didn't change their name to The Dave Clark Five twice as stated in the 'History' section.  Which was it, 1958 or 1962? --213.208.117.47 (talk) 11:41, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree on this one. The "History" section mentions both dates for the name change. Certainly, as mentioned above, the change did not happen twice. If anyone out there that has better knowledge the correct info would be appreciated.THX1136 (talk) 20:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:   When did they become the Five? 

message: Do we really need to know what hospital Mike Huxley was born in?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.56.20 (talk) 17:02, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personnel 

message: Don Vale was never at any time pianist or arranger for the DC5. The first ever pic of the group performing clearly shows Roger Smedley on piano as do subsequent photos right up until he left to join the RAF and Mike Smith took over. This needs amending, many other sites copy wiki and the Vale myth is being perpetuated.
:Not being photographed isn't proof that Vale wasn't in the group.  This is the problem with trying to prove a negative.  You're going to need to find something to back your claim up I'm afraid. --Deke42 (talk) 23:27, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Vale