Talk:Hard bop

message: I don't understand why "Brilliant Corners" is considered to be "hard bop".  To my ears, it's essentially a bebop song.  Can some one explain to me how it is an important defining hard bop tune?
-Pat M
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thread_title: Question

message: "Hard bop is a style of jazz that is an extension of bebop (or "bop") music."
The term "Bop" was indeed first applied to Bebop, but nowadays is used as a general term denoting bebop, hard bop and post bop genres. 82.176.214.123 (talk) 11:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology 

message: This statement is sprinkled through wp (it is/was also in the Miles Davis page). Supporting evidence, other than a single Ashley Kahn reference which is more the exception than the rule in the jazz literature available to me? --Alien Life Form (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walkin' marks the beginning of the hard bop movement? 

message: Compare the unsourced first paragraph in the "History" section with recent comments by Michael Cuscuna (whom I would consider to be some kind of authority on the matter).  As it is, the entire article lists a couple of website but has no footnote citations. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 23:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've re-written a good portion of the section, using references. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 06:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: There are 67 names there. It seems like the list in this article should be more focused, to between 10-25 quintessential players. Can we come to a consensus as to which musicians to include (Blakey, Silver, etc.)?BassHistory (talk) 05:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the musicians mentioned in the prose text, and given the standalone list at List of hard bop musicians, I don't believe that we need this section at all. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 17:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

text: * Agree: better to centralise on that one list . (Also makes it easier to monitor and manage vanity intrusions.) AllyD (talk) 18:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Are all of the musicians from the list on this page also mentioned there? If so, we could simply delete this list then.BassHistory (talk) 05:32, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: * Unfortunately there are a few differences to work through before deleting (Carl Allen for one). AllyD (talk) 08:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

text: * I've ported across those that I think should be added to the List article (and found a couple of questionable biogs along the way). I've not ported everyone - omitting some where the article doesn't explicitly mention Hard Bop. Maybe others want to have a look first, but I reckon this section could go now. AllyD (talk) 18:53, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: * I think we're good. I wondered about LaMont Johnson, but I only know him from Jackie McLean albums like Demon's Dance which I'm not sure is hard bop (but it's not as out as free jazz, either). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:53, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *I moved Walter Bishop Jr, Lewis Nash and Larry Ridley, I didn't move Jimmy Garrison, Charles Tolliver, Larry Willis (although he did play on Infinity (Lee Morgan album)), and I don't know enough about Larry Ritchie or Hotep Idris Galeta. I went through every one name by name, I move that we delete the list.BassHistory (talk) 12:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

text: * I think we're all agreed on the ones which were of dubious relevance here. I moved across LaMont Johnson and have now deleted the section. AllyD (talk) 13:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Other hard bop musicians" section too long 

message: Could you add a few signature rifts of hard bop, particularly that distinguish it from be-bop? Much better than words! I notice that Claude Debussy - gets 28 clips, some quite long.    --2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:64C7:92A:F58E:B5EC (talk) 04:02, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add a few signature rifts of hard bop?