Talk:Gubbi Gubbi people

message: This article would benefit from additional detail. For example, these sentences would benefit from a date:
* "The smaller clan groups have recently separated into sub-groups" would benefit from a "since when" date;
* "Large slave trading companies operated from this area"
* "Buroinjin was a game played by the Kabi"; and,
* "There also have been genocidal acts within the region, some of which are recorded, and some not well documented" - this sentence would benefit from dates and references.
: I am not aware of well documented evidence of slave trading and large companies etc. I suspect that these statements are large false, or greatly exagerated. Without further proof in references to outside sources I will remove these. If you wish to reinstate these please do so with expert refernces. SauliH 23:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need more dates 

message: As someone who has never been to the region, people like me would benefit from a map of the area (historically and/or currently) occupied by the Kabi. Thanks, Hu Gadarn 20:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map? 

message: I believe that 'Gubbi Gubbi' is not the correct name to use (alone) in this article, the actual (original) spelling is 'Kubbi Kubbi'. Below is a write-up in the Rotary Magazine 'Keeping Intouch - Vol 20, Issue 10'.
Our town is named after the possum. Cooroy means possum in Kubbi Kubbi language, an expert on these things told me K is the correct way to spell the tribal name. They came from the Mary River Basin. People on the coast are claiming the Kubbi Kubbi. A different language speaking tribe lived on the coast. Cooroy should be spelt with a K for Kooroy. The powers- to- be who named places changed it to C and then it became corrupted to G. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 08:46, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Gubbi Gubbi???

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message: The high court of Australia has thrown out the "Gubbi Gubbi" land claims for many years, and, before the Gubbi Gubbi group came along, Kabi Kabi was the known word used throughout the Noosa, Gympie and Sunshine Coast area. May I Please have permission to change the Gubbi Gubbi words to Kabi Kabi without anyone changing them.
Thanks In Advance.
SavageCabbages (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , no editor can give you "permission"  - that's not how Wikipedia works. Please stop edit-warring and read the links in the welcome panel on your talk page, paying particular attention to WP:RS & WP:RS. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pemission for Changes Please 

message: Let me get this straight, Kabi Kabi is the original spelling that has been used since the early settlers. If you look back on this articles history the original page was Kabi Kabi, 15 years ago. Gubbi Gubbi is fictional and new, Eve Fesl and her gubbi gubbi group had a lot to do with it. Even the high court of Australia dismissed the gubbi gubbi land claims as they were found to be fictitious. 
Link is here if anyone wants 'reliable information:' 
http://www.nntt.gov.au/searchRegApps/NativeTitleClaims/RegistrationDecisionDocuments/2017/March%202017/QC2013_003-2%2020032017.pdf
Cheers 
SavageCabbages (talk) 11:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Look. The high court did not say the ethnonym Gubbi Gubbi is a fiction as opposed to turning down a claim by a group using that spelling.  You are ruining your own case, so I'll do some legwork for you, citing the Author's note to Phil Jarratt's recent book on the Noosa heads. Part of this reflects squabbles between different descent groups. 'What's in a name'. The two terms refer to the same 'mob'. I wouldn't oppose a name change to Kabi Kabi on present evidence, but you need to persuade others that this is now the default term for all claimants to title in that area.Nishidani (talk) 13:39, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, there is a conflict among various descent groups, all squabbling over the 'correct' representation of the name. One group calls itself Gubbi Gubbi, the other Kabi Kabi. Wikipedia cannot meddle with these political rifts, but simply state what the literature states. You are using original research to endorse one of the two groups as the only group. So we state the two names, and 'leave the rest to Providence and Paddy McGinty's goat.' Nishidani (talk) 09:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  High court deems Gubbi Gubbi as fiction 

message: Kabi Kabi is the traditional name for this group of indigenous people. The federal court has deemed gubbi gubbi as fiction, read some of the articles i added recently. 
Thanks SavageCabbages (talk) 08:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The federal court has not deemed that spelling of the name a fiction - you are not quoting the sources correctly. The current application has not been decided yet (and even if it is, this does not mean that Wikipedia adopts this spelling). I understand that there has been a longrunning dispute among various groups who claim to represent the nation, but the spelling used for native title applications does not determine what is used by Wikipedia. There are many different spellings of every language and group, so Wikipedia has adopted the convention of using the AIATSIS spelling of the language for both the language and the people. If you have an issue with the spelling, you need to take it up with AIATSIS, not Wikipedia. I looked into this quite thoroughly some time ago (adding the Native title section after trawling through them all), and found that both versions were being used across the internet. This is not about the people, it is merely a spelling variant. There are many cases where the native title or current Aboriginal corporation spelling is different from the AIATSIS/ Wikipedia spelling. And as explained before, you don't just decide to do something, note it on the talk page and then do it. You await consensus from  several other editors. IF everyone decides that this is the way to go as an exception to our usual convention, then that's fine. But acting unilaterally and persistently reverting others' changes is only going to bring you sanctions. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Some years ago, a linguistics expert  reviewed all 660+ Aborginal articles and in dozens of cases shifted the name I assigned to each to the default term employed by AIATSIS, and as Laterthanyouthink notes, this is what several editors have concurred with or informally agreed to. We stick to AIATSIS until an authoritative  source tells us otherwise.Nishidani (talk) 09:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone and protected this article against unilateral moves. Graham87 10:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving to Kabi Kabi