Talk:Romani people

message: Although the article states that the Romani are from Rajasthan, what I had heard over many years of reading about them is that they are from Punjab. I would like to follow up on this at some point but would invite others who may be more into linguistics to pick up and take it forward. Augnablik (talk) 13:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The citation is basically someone speculating on cultural elements of the Romani people. Modern genetic research points towards a Punjabi origin, but just like anything else, most of us are tired of edit warring and its seriously demoralising to see academic sources being removed all the time by the usual suspects. KamranHassanUK (talk) 23:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

text: They originate in Haryana and Rajasthan, Haryana is geographically part of the Punjab Plain, so you are technically right. 1Dude345 (talk) 15:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romani roots in India 

message: although the Indian origin of the Romani people is undeniable, and likewise that Saint Sarah is the syncretization of the Hindu goddess Kali into catholicism, there's a section I take issue with due to how arrogant it seems to me
"Saint Sarah is now increasingly being considered as "a Romani Goddess, the Protectress of the Roma" and an "indisputable link with Mother India""
Mother India to me at least seems like a very loaded and nationalistic way to refer to India, and is the main issue I have, and while we know it's a link with India no serious researcher until 100% sure says something is indisputable, it sounds like whoever added this is trying to frame a akhand Bharat narrative or is at minimum a hindutvadi, although a hindutva takeover of English Wikipedia is unlikely to ever happen we must avoid alterations in articles that may tend to a far right nationalist direction, else we get what happened to Croatian Wikipedia that was basically taken over by fascist apologists Dusamatriarch (talk) 21:54, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: maybe they're just quoting a source tho, if so that should be emphasized to avoid giving the impression of bias, no matter how true the overall point is Dusamatriarch (talk) 21:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

text: The syncretization you suggest might well be correct among the Romani, by I would note that the Saint Sarah mentioned is actually not a Saint of the Catholic Church. Bobby Lawndale (talk) 13:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hindutva propaganda in article? 

message: :Sometimes things just creep in: Some issues need resolving to prevent possible reassessment?
:This article is assessed B-class but there are what appears to be several issues that someone should check out.
:There are two unsourced paragraphs in the Artistic representations section and an unsourced single sentence paragraph in the "Porajmos (Romani Holocaust)" section. The criteria (#1) states: 
:The Romani people#Romani subgroups section has unsourced sentences dropped in after a source. This just gives the appearance of an unsourced tag along sentence. "The Other endonyms for Romani include, for example:" (subsection) is a long embedded list with 49 entries. Many are sourced. Many are active links, but several are unsourced.
:If a source is just misplaced this would be an easy fix. That may or may not be the case. Any content that does not have an inline citation needs a Reliable source: . The WP:Verifiability policy requires proof on any material "challenged or is likely to be challenged". This is satisfied by providing an inline citation.
:Several citations (I didn't count) appear to be the same source. One such source, Hübshmanová, is used 15 times. The source does not have pages but many paragraphs. It seems to me a paragraph number (count) identification could be used.
:The "See also" section is very lengthy having thirty-four links (two removed), three subsections, and I think some can be trimmed. The article has a fairly covered "Persecutions" section, "Historical persecution" subsection (with a main of Anti-Romani sentiment, a "Forced assimilation" subsection, with Main article: Expulsion of Romani people from France, and a "Porajmos (Romani Holocaust)" subsection with Romani Holocaust as a main article. The Contemporary issues also has a Main article: Anti-Romani sentiment § Contemporary antiziganism, and a "Forced repatriation" subsection listing a Main article: Expulsion of Romani people from France
:Note: I have not considered that any of these should not be in the article. My point is that the "See also" section has Anti-Romani sentiment, Anti-Hindu sentiment, Anti-Indian sentiment, and near the bottom, Romani Holocaust. It just seems the article is leaning away from "Romani people" and towards a more negative narritive. 
:I have removed two links that were redundant. Any others that are used in the article do not need to be repeated, and some can likely be used and linked to in the article.  
:External links: This is a mess. The "External links" section, one of the optional appendices, has grown to  Twenty-four links in six subsections. Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four links in this section. 
:The problem is that none are needed for article promotion. 
*ELpoints #3) states: 
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:Some of the links may include ones that are probably not needed, and some that can be included in the article with sources. 
:Per WP:ELBURDEN I have trimmed excessive links and moved those here for any possible future discussion on what should be included.
:Excessive links moved from article:
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* ; The concentration, labor, ghetto camps that the Roma were persecuted in during World War II
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* Shot in remote areas of the Thar desert in west India,  captures the lives of vanishing nomadic communities who are believed to share common ancestors with the Roma people released 2004
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*  The most comprehensive collection of information on Kosovo's Roma in existence.
Internet Visual Media
* Inaugural Romani Studies Conference at UC Berkeley:  YouTube 
* Florian: YouTube TikTok - Romani YouTuber & TikToker whose material covers Roma culture, history, and civil rights --  Otr500 (talk) 00:57, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article issues 

message: When reading the article, I noticed that one of the lines says  "However, this is not always the case; for example, the term is actually preferred by most English and Welsh Romanies, and is used to refer to them in government documentation." It then shows 3 citations however none of them prove that the English and Welsh Romanies prefer being called that. I never used Wikipedia before so I have no idea how to but I think that it should get deleted as it is making an anecdotal statement with no proof. Bluntilda (talk) 08:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't checked yet, but if the claim is unsupported by its citations, you are free (and in this cause I will say encouraged) to remove it, with the policy being that it shouldn't be readded unless an inline citation to a reliable source is provided. Remsense诉 08:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Citation For English and Welsh Romani People Being Preferred to be Called "Gypsies"