Talk:.357 SIG

message: Can some of the people who watch this article find any include some date when the round was developed and first implemented. Thanks in advance.Lordaleksandre (talk) 06:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Please improve the History section

message: There are several pages in Wikipedia that are meant to relate to the .357 SIG cartridge, many of which are incorrectly named or do not conform to the de facto naming standards present here on Wikipedia.
The correct naming convention for all designated English-unit cartridges in Wikipedia includes the decimal before of the cartridge name, regardless of whether or not the numbers represent the actual bullet diameter of the cartridge. Also, with this particular cartridge, SIG is an acronym for Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft. As such, SIG should be capitalized.
All other .357 SIG pages (i.e. 357 SIG, 357 sig .357 sig, etc...) should point to this page.
Thanks, Raygun 00:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proper cartridge name in Wikipedia

message: The "necked" .357 SIG round offers high reliability and potentially improves accuracy as the round headspaces on the shoulder (angled or sloped part of the case) of the cartridge in a similar way to rifle rounds.
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Unlike most bottlenecked cartridges, the 357 SIG headspaces on the case mouth; cartridges that are too short can result in serious malfunctions of the guns in which they are used, possibly leading to serious injury.
Well?  Which is it?
71.235.66.254 03:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the 48th edition of the Lyman Reloading Handbook, it headspaces on the case mouth.  —Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 18:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed and referenced.  —Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 18:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headspacing 

message: I understood that the correct name of the the round was "357 SIG", not ".357 SIG", because this was not a .357 caliber round, it was just named "357" because it was designed as a competitor to the .357 magnum round. If I am correct, then the article should be moved to "357 SIG". Bradford44 13:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title

message: "Until the .357 SIG, there was no practical semi-automatic pistol round with comparable performance to the 125 gr .357 Magnum revolver bullet." Seems sort of POV. Not to mention incorrect, since the 10mm actually exceeds said performance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.82.22 (talk) 07:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention the old .38 Super. I removed the paragraph. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 22:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems there are at least two uncredited rounds here -- Bo Clerke's .38/45 Clerke, originally intended as a target round but capable of reproducing .38 Super ballistics (and it much precedes the .357, dating from the '60s), and the 9x25 Dillon, as I recall a 10mm case necked to .357, which was I guess sort of a stalking horse for the .357 SIG. -- Craig Goodrich 98.220.72.56 (talk) 04:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: POV?

message: Bullet .357 SIG calibre is a bullet .357 S&W and case proportion copied from .30 Tokarev Gnomsovet (talk) 11:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is laughable. The velocities listed by Double Tap are well known foibles in the handgun world. I have tested loads that box list as 1,400 fps in X" barrel, and even in an 1.25X" barrel will not even hit 1,200 fps. Msjayhawk (talk) 18:44, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  .40 S&W ???? 

message: In the "Implementation" section of this article, it is stated that "In most cases, it [the .357 SIG] has replaced 10 mm, .40 S&W and 9 mm loads."  While this may be true for 10 mm loads, I know for a fact that 9mm and .40 loads are still significantly more popular in Europe and The United States with military & law enforcement personnel and civilians as well. ErinGoBragh555 (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  What it meant was that, in most cases where 357 SIG replaced something, the other named rounds were what was replaced, not that in most cases where the other cartridges have ever been used, they have been replaced by 357 SIG. --67.180.106.165 (talk) 17:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please correct "Implementation" 

message: SigSauer was a German and Swiss firearms manufacturer. Today the Swiss SIG (Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft) has sold their firearms production manly to German partners. Sauer was founded 1751 in Suhl, Thuringia, Germany. SIGarms was founded 1985 by SIG.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.153.3.10 (talk) 13:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SigSauer 

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thread_title:  Dead link 

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thread_title:  Dead link 2 

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message: This section claims (1) the .357 SIG produces virtually identical muzzle velocity for a 125-grain bullet as a .357 Magnum; (2) recoil is the product of bullet mass and muzzle velocity; and (3) the .357 SIG produces less recoil than the .357 Magnum. If (1) and (2) are true, then (3) sounds doubtful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClarkC162 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictions in Characteristics section 

message: In 2019 the U.S. Secret Service announced they will be switching from the Sig 357 to Glocks in 9mm. 
https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-secret-service-switching-9mm-glock-pistols/story?id=64719349
Phantom in ca (talk) 07:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  abc NEWS (2019 Aug 01): "US Secret Service switching to 9mm Glock pistols" 

message: In the first line of the 'Conversions' section the text '10 mm' is linked to 'Orders of magnitude: Length', should it not link directly to the page for 10mm Auto?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.219.163 (talk) 13:25, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  10mm in-text link destination 

message: Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on.  
   Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter. 
   It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage. 
   It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots. 
   357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths. 
   Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear. 
   One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion. 
   I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round. 
   Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round. 
   9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times. 
   I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down. 
   In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one.
   Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside.
   There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you? 357SIG (talk) 04:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig?