Talk:Dzogchen

message: This  seems to be missing a refutation to appreciate the deletions intent. It can be restored. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 14:51, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead changes 

message: I propose that Maha Ati be merged into Atiyoga/Dzogchen. "Maha Ati" is merely a (recently-coined) synonym for Ati yoga / Dzogchen. 109.156.203.132 (talk) 14:39, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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message: Hi Dzogchen editors,
The material below currently exists on the panpsychism page. It is hard to justify having this long historical overview only to conclude panpsychism is not a part of Dzogchen. However, as a matter of the history of Western study of Dzogchen, it is important knowledge that early translators had a false impression about Dzogchen teachings. Could it go on this page, as part of a "Historiography" section, perhaps? Or is there a related page where this would be useful? It seems a shame just to delete it. 
:: According to a common misunderstanding, in the Buddhist Dzogchen tradition , particularly Dzogchen Semde or "mind series" the principal text of which is the Kulayarāja Tantra, there is nothing which is non-sentient, i.e. everything is sentient. Moreover, two of the English scholars who opened the discourse of the Bardo literature of the Nyingma Dzogchen tradition, Evans-Wentz & Jung (1954, 2000: p. 10) specifically with their partial translation and commentary of the Bardo Thodol into the English language write of the "One Mind" (Tibetan: sems nyid gcig; Sanskrit: *ekacittatva; *ekacittata; where * denotes a possible Sanskrit back-formation) thus:
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:: It should be borne in mind, that Evans-Wentz never studied the Tibetan language and that the lama who did the main translation work for him was of the Gelukpa sect and is not known to have actually studied or practiced Dzogchen.
:: According to the translation with commentary, "Self-Liberation Through Seeing with Naked Awareness", by John Myrdhin Reynolds, the phrase, "It is the single nature of mind which encompasses all of Samsara and Nirvana," occurs only once in the text and it refers not to "some sort of Neo-Platonic hypostasis, a universal Nous, of which all individual minds are but fragments or appendages", but to the teaching that, "whether one finds oneself in the state of Samsara or in the state of Nirvana, it is the nature of the mind which reflects with awareness all experiences, no matter what may be their nature." This can be found in Appendix I, on pages 80–81. Reynolds elucidates further with the analogy of a mirror. To say that a single mirror can reflect ugliness or beauty, does not constitute an allegation that all ugliness and beauty is one single mirror.
Let me know if this could be valuable. Gazelle55 (talk) 03:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I can hardly follow what this text is about... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Joshua Jonathan, probably no good for this page then. Do you think it could be useful on the :Kulayarāja Tantra page, though? It is saying that when Evan-Wentz and Jung first translated the text, they misrepresented it as saying one great mind pervades the universe, whereas it said no such thing. That said, if the above is incomprehensible I'll just delete it from the panpsychism article. Gazelle55 (talk) 16:34, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, I can't judge. It's too specialized... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:41, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could this material be useful here or on a related page? 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Gartak (martial art). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 21:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Gartak (martial art)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: There are sections that could stand alone as articles, rigpa, trekcho, togal, among others. Skyerise (talk) 13:29, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article too long 

message: The article is really too long and the practice section nested too deep. Logically Practice (Dzogchen), currently a redirect to the section, would be the place to which to split the material. I'm also open to Practice in Dzogchen, but I think the dab style is currently preferred. Skyerise (talk) 20:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Split proposal