Talk:Yakuza

message: Curious about the swords reference, I went in search of proof. While searching, I cam across the fictional work "Dick Slays the Dragons", particularly this section fron Google Books which shows that much of this part of the entry is taken word for word from this source without ANY reference to the book, itself. The book is a work of fiction and cannot be treated as a proper source. The whole section needs to be removed so that it can be tidied up. Some of what is said MAY be true, but we should not be relying on a work of fiction as an original source for content. I do not feel I have the authority to remove the section. I would be grateful for advice.Kuitan (talk) 11:29, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: - you are welcome to make the edit since you've done the legwork. Is it still a copy? It's been over a year, so just checking. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Much of Divisions of Origin taken word for word from work of fiction

message: I just went ahead and edited some of the grammar and fluidity of the sentences. Some may be a little hard to read, and there is a second layer of difficulty reading since there are Japanese characters. (Sdao524 (talk) 18:11, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar and Sentence Fluidity 

message: Hey, Nihonjoe, I know that you and I kind of had a fight over my removing redlinks. As you can see, there are a lot more redlinks. Should I remove them?
Also, some yakuza group names are bolded. Do you mind if I change that too? JackOfPanTrades Converse intellectually 14:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed all the extraneous bolding. I left the bolding in the lead as it belongs there. I think the redlinks should be left alone. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:29, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! What about redlinks to pages that don't meet Wikipedia standards for notability? JackOfPanTrades Converse intellectually 22:20, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you researched every single on of them? From what I've seen, you delete all redlinks. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:37, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you mean by research, but I clicked on about the first ten redlinks and checked what pages link to them, and the only pages that link to them are this Yakuza page, and occasionally someone's user page. JackOfPanTrades Converse intellectually 23:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's only one of the tests to see if a redlink should remain. If you are not familiar with the yakuza topic, and you haven't done any research to see if they should have articles, then I suggest leaving them alone. There are plenty of worthy things to do outside of removing all redlinks from Wikipedia (which is actually a bad thing). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:07, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If you say so. JackOfPanTrades Converse intellectually 13:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolding/Redlinks 

message: The Edo government eventually formally recognized such tekiya organizations and granted the oyabun (leaders) of tekiya a surname as well as permission to carry a sword[citation needed]—the wakizashi, 
I'm sorry I don't know wiki well enough to make the edit properly, but here is the citation (had to track it down for a research paper): Initially I checked Kaplan's Yakuza: The explosive account of Japan's criminal underworld, and on pg 22, he writes that "the government appointed a number of oyabun as 'supervisors' and allowed them the dignity of 'a surname and two swords,' symbols of near-samurai status."
In the notes for that book, listed for page 22 is information for an essay that was used for background. See page 284 of De Vos GA. Socialization for Achievement: Essays on the Cultural Psychology of the Japanese. https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=VBDlkca50ycC&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&ots=r_IZ6HAmUy&sig=4hM2S37MXekehCSMOHRJFLbY8CU#v=onepage&q=sword&f=false  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.34.93 (talk) 23:56, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Permission to carry Wakizashi 

message: This article requires verification of research. Mainly, either footnotes to listed sources or in-text clarification of the source. One cannot just state that "an official said" without also stating when and where they said it. It is clear that the original poster has done extensive research on the subject, but isn't a very good writer, overall.
I must also agree with the comment above concerning the Wakizashi. It doesn't seem right that the government would permit the carrying of only this particular sword. While I am no expert on the Yakuza, I am well-versed in swords and Japanese culture. Traditionally (and according to the Code of Bushido), the Wakizashi is only used for suicide (Miyamoto Musashi's writings on it ('Two-skies school', Book of Five Rings) being the sole exception that I am aware of). To publicly grant the carrying of it to the known criminal underground would be a clear and open insult, not to be taken lightly. It is not a sword for killing others, but for killing one's self (it's actually designed for that). The granting of ranking names demands the right to carry the Katana, as well. The Wakizashi is not a stand-alone weapon, but a symbolic accessory. (The third and smallest sword, the Tanto, is carried by men as a pocket-knife, and by women as a self-defense tool, or as above, to kill themselves with when all hope is lost. Women in general are not permitted to carry either of the two 'big' swords, even among Samurai (though they are allowed to wield them when needed, also mentioned in the Code of Bushido).
This whole article must therefore be generally tainted with similar and apparently 'minor' discrepancies and inaccuracies, which makes it 'invalid on its face', as they say in court. If I was the judge, I would toss it out on principle alone. But as I am not the judge, and I'm a really nice guy (a direct result of spending a lot of years studying violence); if I was really the judge, I would order the uploader/s to go back and clean it up, and I would be generous and give them 90 days in which to do it in.
However, as I have not cited my own sources above more than generally, but am merely relying on my decades of experience studying instruments of war, I'm willing to be even more lenient. 180 days it is, with no fine imposed.
That being said, uploader, you're on probation. You have 6 months to fix it. If, in half a year, I do not see a notable improvement, I might just come back and re-write the whole damn thing myself, which Wikipedia would likely not approve of...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.156.106.130 (talk) 23:32, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verifying Research 

message: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/making-a-slow-getaway-ageing-population-japans-yakuza has some info on numbers involved in 2020.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.30.115 (talk) 12:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  is this useful updated figures 

message: Hey, I'd like to expand a bit on the "Designated bōryokudan" subsection under the "Syndicates" section. It currently only mentions what a designated bōryokudan is and which syndicates were registered as designated bōryokudans, but it does not explain what the criteria for classification is and what the yakuza response to this law was. I believe both of these additions are important to help inform the relationship between the yakuza and the law. --MaksimNizh (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have references you can cite? If so, this is probably worth adding. If you're in doubt, you might talk (here) about what you plan to add, to avoid back-and-forth after adding it to the article. Regards, Tarl N. (discuss) 00:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Designated bōryokudan" Subsection Expansion 

message: In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#Syndicates "the Anti-Boryokudan Act in 1992" shouldn't have "Boryokudan" direct back to the start of the article. IMHO, have the page redirect to nothing and be cited with this 2600:1700:3590:C590:A89A:748A:4544:61D1 (talk) 02:58, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  mild link error 

message: This section is incomplete because it only gives the games made by Americans such as Hitman.
A huge selection of Yakuza games have been made by Japanese gaming companies.
Here is the main body of games that Ive discovered https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryu_Ga_Gotoku_Studio#Games_developed[48]
I am not editing the Wiki page as Im not good enough at writing for Wiki but I hope someon else will.
The USA written games depict the Yakuza as the bad guys but these Japanese games depict incredibly deep meanings. Massive respect from young men for their elders and a huge code of honour. 79.76.202.182 (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yakuza computer games 

message: I've no idea how it was achieved, but when you hover over a link to Yakuza, the thumbnail is one of the Israeli flag, not one from this article. 89.64.70.33 (talk) 00:28, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the result of vandalism, which has been reverted. I've purged the cache so it should be fixed now. Nardog (talk) 04:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preview 

message: — Assignment last updated by Ruby2017 (talk) 19:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Crime and Violence

message: In part of Criminal Organisations 109.245.39.130 (talk) 10:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yakuza Boss 

message: I have removed the description and image of the completely wrong yakuza hierarchy and added the correct image and description. The new image contains Japanese, but if you read the description you will understand what it means. "Kyodai" is a term of endearment sometimes used by yakuza members to refer to each other, and is never a position. The names of the various positions, such as "kaikei" and "shingiin," vary from organization to organization.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 12:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure