Talk:Alexander Litvinenko

message: There were plans to make a film about him.
Seems like there is no mention of him in article and now I heard it's canceled.
Since I'm not his fan I'm not going to spend my time on this, but I will give a link to the news on Russian source for editors with other views on him.
http://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=www.gazeta.ru%2Fnews%2Fculture%2F2009%2F10%2F05%2Fn_1410702.shtml.
--Oleg Str (talk) 10:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hollywood film about Litvinenko. 

message: Despite Talk:Alexander_Litvinenko/Archive_3#Current_edits, Talk:Alexander_Litvinenko/Archive_3#Comparing_of_articles and other threads within Archive 3, there were still massive problems with the article, including the removal of sourced information (such as Litvinenko moonlighting for Berezovsky, date of flight from Turkey, etc), POV-headings ("Persecution" as opposed to the now neutral "Dismissal from the FSB", etc), and a heap of other general fixes which were made many months ago, but reverted by Biophys, a version which takes into account those problems, and also edits made by subsequent editors, has been introduced. Please remember that removal of sourced, NPOV information from articles is frowned upon, and that discussion should be held before removal of information. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 23:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It also needs to be noted that much of the information re-introduced into the article is information which Biophys has himself agreed should be present (as per talk), but has removed from the article with his September '09 revert to his favoured version. We can't allow Wikipedia to be used as a vehicle for advocacy or anything like that, and all POV need to be presented in articles, not just one POV. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 17:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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¶1. (SBU) Summary: Hamburg State Police (LKA) confirmed December 14 that Dmitry Kovtun had left positive traces of polonium 210 in Hamburg prior to his departure from Hamburg for London on November 1. A senior official in the Federal Interior Ministry in Berlin also confirmed the reports and noted the ongoing investigation. Hamburg police continue to examine where Kovtun was and what he did while in Germany, but are not yet able to confirm if Kovtun was transporting polonium or if he had been contaminated through contact with the substance prior to his arrival in Hamburg on October 28. End Summary.
¶2. (SBU) Pol/Econ Off and FSN Investigator met Hamburg LKA Criminal Investigation Department (CID) Officer and director of this special investigation Thomas Menzel December 14. Menzel, who is also Director of the Hamburg LKA Organized Crime Unit, explained that the Hamburg investigation started because officers on his team drawing from press reports recognized a connection between the Litvinenko case and the flight from Hamburg to London and began to investigate whether Kovtun or Andrei Lugovoi had been in Hamburg. They discovered that Kovtun was a registered resident at the multi-family building at Erzberger Strasse 4 in Hamburg’s Ottensen neighborhood and that he had flown to Hamburg on October 28 on an Aeroflot flight from Moscow. Menzel reported Hamburg authorities are working closely with the Federal Office of Criminal Investigation (BKA) and is receiving assistance from the Federal Central Support Unit and the Federal Office of Radiation Protection. Menzel stated that Stuart Goodwin from Scotland Yard has been in Hamburg since December 12 and that cooperation between the British and Hamburg police has been excellent. While the BKA and various German agencies are involved in the investigation, Menzel confirmed that Hamburg is leading the inquiry.
¶3. (SBU) The investigation’s main focus is to uncover Kovtun’s whereabouts between October 28 and November 1 and to discover any polonium-contaminated sites in the Hamburg region. Menzel reported that the investigation has revealed:
*Kovtun arrived in Hamburg October 28 on the Aeroflot flight from Moscow and was picked up from the airport in a BMW. He spent that night at the apartment of Marina Wall, his Russian/German ex-wife, at Erzberger Strasse 4. Kovtun has two apartments in the Erzberger Strasse building, his ex-wife’s residence and another apartment. Neighbors told police that he had not used the second apartment for years and it has been rented to other tenants. Wall’s apartment has tested positive for polonium.
*On October 29, Kovtun spent the night at a house in Haselau outside of Hamburg, which is where police found the BMW.  Both the Haselau residence and the BMW are contaminated with polonium.
*On October 30, Kovtun kept an appointment with the Office of Foreigner Registration in Hamburg-Altona, where he signed a document. His signature has tested positive for radiation. After visiting several locations in Hamburg, including a restaurant and gambling hall, Kovtun spent the night at the home of an Italian acquaintance on Kieler Strasse in Hamburg. None of these locations have tested positive for polonium.
*Kovtun again spent the night of October 31 at Wall’s apartment on Erzberger Strasse. He departed by taxi for the airport early on November 1 and flew to London on the 6:40 am GermanWings flight.
¶4. (SBU) Menzel said the investigation is looking into several unanswered questions. Hamburg police are trying to discover whether Kovtun visited Hamburg prior to October 28 and where he was between November 1 and the date he arrived in Moscow. They are also looking into whether Lugovoi or any of the other individuals involved in the Litvinenko case have been to Hamburg in the recent past and have requested airlines to review their passenger lists. Other remaining questions concern whether there are any further contaminated locations in Hamburg or other parts of Germany. Investigators hope to find out more about Kovtun as an individual - what he did for a living, what his personal background was, and whether he had worked at the Russian Consulate in Hamburg in the past. Finally, Menzel was curious about a possible Italian connection to the Litvinenko
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case and noted that Kovtun had met with an Italian national in Hamburg and that Italians played a role in the London investigation as well.
¶5. (C) Federal Interior Minister Deputy DG for Counterterrorism Gerhard Schindler discussed the status of the German investigation during a meeting on other topics with EMIN December 14. Schindler explained German officials retraced Kovtun’s steps to and from his ex-wife’s home in Hamburg. Schindler said Kovtun left polonium traces on everything he touched - vehicles, objects, clothes, and furniture. German investigators concluded Kovtun did not have polonium traces on his skin or clothes; Schindler said the polonium was coming out of his body, for example through his pores. German authorities had tested the German Wings airplane that had taken Kovtun from Hamburg to London; no traces of polonium were found. Germany had wanted to test the Aeroflot plane that flew Kovtun to Germany, and had prepared to ground it upon its next arrival in Germany. Schindler said Russian authorities must have found out about German plans because “at the last minute” Aeroflot swapped planes; Schindler said he did not expect Aeroflot to fly the other plane to Germany any time soon.
¶6. (U) This message has been coordinated with Embassy Berlin. BUTCHER  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.192.18.99 (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I took the action of correcting the formatting for the above cable.  This cable was released on Dec. 1 at Wikileaks.  It basically removes any doubt that Kovtun poisoned Litvinenko, IMO.  I added a sentence about this to the article; I would be surprised if the mainstream news doesn't pick this up soon with more analysis.  -- Kevin Saff (talk) 17:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

text: A Guardian article on this at -- Kevin Saff (talk) 19:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. There are other publications about this . They should probably be described better in this article. Biophys (talk) 23:32, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  LEAKED CABLE 

message: Hi. I guess I should jump on here. I am making quite a few changes, but no content has been removed. Edits have been minor, ie - sentence restructuring. I am new. Please feel free to undo anything I've done. Very interesting article. Thanks to all contributors. Albeit27 (talk) 01:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small changes 

message: I understand that some users here have a specific agenda of spreading negative information about certain living persons, but it doesn't automatically mean that same exact information should be copy-pasted onto each article that mentions the word "Berezovsky", especially if the particular information is strictly related to describing Berezovsky himself and has little relevance to other people (in this particular case, to Alexander Litvienko). Soo... don't do that ;-)98.116.120.85 (talk) 05:16, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding in irrelevant information about Berezovsky 

message: His Allegiance was not to the FSB, but to the British government, as he was UK spy. Why is this not reflected in the "allegiance" tab on his biography? He was not loyal to the Russian government or people, betraying both. 2602:306:C475:A790:B095:C27B:EEE3:63E8 (talk) 04:27, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegiance 

message: I do not see too much recent work here. This page needs attention of someone familiar with the subject. I made a few quick obvious fixes... My very best wishes (talk) 06:10, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Geleesen in newspapers, on a big rod "Marlboro" cigarettes, this jemmand in office millioner Platon Elenin has forgotten / left. This Marlboro, reportedly was prepared less with radioactive materials. Radioaktieve "Marlboro", supposedly, A. Litvinenko out smokes. WHILE flights in Aer- Bus. And, WHILE investigation was a Diplomant Russia, allegedly poisoned to death. Would, perhaps, possible to supplement this article with info on Sorte this radioactive "Marlboro". It exestieren but different. Thank you.80.201.244.122 (talk) 15:32, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Poisoning by cigarettes, poisoning with green tea, poisoning with fatty fish. Colonel of the FSB, - did not know the internal regulations of the service? Here, compare with Colonel GRU Rezun (author of many books under the pseudonym "Denis Suvorov"). So he even published in Moscow. And they paid money. Well, part of the fee went to the self-financing of the GRU. All chiefs of the FSB-SWR Residences are cultural people, diplomats of the Russian Embassies. We have to negotiate, Verhandlen. Quite right! They and we (boys and girls Wikipeda.org), too, travkat. But, correctly, diplomatically. Little by little. And, I'll give them a part of the fee. With self-financing will help. Protection for promotion is organized. After all, "Metnilmercury" is the strongest, deadly poison! The lethal dose is 30 micrograms (0.000030 grams). Perhaps, the thesis played a role: to whom much has been given so much will be asked. Toest, on the contrary: they gave a lot to ask a lot. Toist, you need to be interested in the topic. Events are developing ....195.244.180.59 (talk) 14:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  on Radioactive "Marlboro" 

message: Shouldn't this be "Conversion to Islam?"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.39.8 (talk) 05:30, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? What religion did he convert from? If we don't know, and can't verify it, we can't assume he had a religion, let alone guess at which one he might have had. So let's merely say he accepted or embraced Islam. Best regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 12:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: More to the point, where is the reliable, neutral source for his alleged conversion in the first place? --Somchai Sun (talk) 18:06, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accepting Islam 

message: After an extensive exchange NeilN and I agree that we have come to an impasse.
Please see the exchange here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NeilN#Alexander_Litvinenko
Can someone please help? Thanks. Tikva2009 (talk) 07:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Much of the text fails to conform to the three basic article policies: (1) no original research, (2) neutral point of view, and (3) verifiability.  

message: We used to have a section on this, but it was removed a week ago.diff  It's pretty easy to source that he may have converted to Islam - I'd suggest that this is a poor pop-quiz sort of ref, but there's The Telegraph from 2006.  More recently, there's the statements of Robin Tam in the inquiry (not sure if he has a corner to fight; I assume not).  Should be more on this as the inquest unfolds.  
Shouldn't there be some mention of this?  Personally, I'd go with the quote from the Telegraph article, as it nicely sums it up: "We are keeping an open mind. In the state he was, heavily sedated and on his death bed, it is impossible to say. It was his last few days and he was under a lot of influences, medical, mental and emotional."  Bromley86 (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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About a month or two ago, I visited the Russkiy yazik (Russian) Langauge version of Wikipedia and found some deliberately misleading, false, fraudulent, and defamatory statements there about Alexander Litvinenko ru.wikipedia.org/factcheck (. It practically looked like it was written by the FSB, and had _very little similarity_ to the English Wikipedia Treatment of the Subject. For instance, there was a statement, maybe well coerced, above the fold by Litvinenko's 'father' saying that Litvinenko was an embarrassment, and there was a whole lot of invalid uncertainty and disinformation about the mechanism of death and the traceability of the death back to the Inquiry's identified culprits, and the involvement of Vladimir Putin.
Of course, ru.wikipedia.org is under pressure itself. Authors in Russia can get killed for editing Litvinenko article, like the dozens of journalists now who have disappeared or been killed in mysterious circumstances. But I can't keep monitoring this for neutral point-of-view myself, and i'm past the limit of machine translation: there are natural langauge 'tricks' of bias that I can't catch, in the interstices of machine translation capability on Translate. So, what I'm proposing, and what I've done here, is include a link at the very top to "ru.wikipedia.org/factcheck", which redirects bilingual volunteers (RU>EN + EN>RU) to that page to fact-check Wikipedia across Langauges. The Neutral Point of View on Litvinenko, following the exhaustive UK Litvinenko Inquiry, should not be any different on the basic facts, and any divergence should be subject to questioning, if the ru.wikipedia.org seems to be deliberatively misinforming Russian Langauge Readers. 
This link is syntax-positioned just before the deep name, in local endonym, of the Notable Person or Event. This Litvinenko cross-link model might serve as a template for other cases. Let me know if you have any suggestions for the syntax. The ideal thing would be to link at the name itself, but that's proven difficult, given the existing display code. 
This Litvinenko scandal, more than any other, that has traction in a popular, more neutral reconsideration of Putin's Plutonium + Polonium Reign. Who has access to Polonium, aside from the authority chain of centralized state control, and how could this have been done, and remain unprosecuted locally, without authorization and protection at the highest level, extending to a ru.wikipedia.org Disinformation Campaign? So please, to keep this from repeating again, if you would, please consider supporting this syntax for cross-lingual factchecking in versions of Wikipedia that proliferate through the world, and may be subject to Governmental disinformation campaigns. Certain articles, like the Litvinenko Article, show Revision HSTRY that is indubitably driven by politics, not facts. 
Another that merits close fact-checking attention right now would be the assassination of Kim Jong-Un's older, regime-critical brother, Kim Jong-nam ko.wikipedia.org/factcheck 김정남, without any JARA (Journal on Asylum, Refugees, and Assassination) 007 License. North Korea is claiming that the death was a heart clot (in vulgar English, a heart attack). We know from Indonesia that's disinformation, and it's so inculpatory to disinform the Public about this that Kim Jong-Un might be subject now, if not before, to a JARA 007 Recommendation. It's hard to mistake VX Nerve Gas for a Heart Clot in a toxicology report. Unless, perhaps, Wikipedia means to claim that these are ambiguous in toxicology testing, or that there's a conspiracy in Indonesian Toxicology Labs to bring down Kim Jong-Un. 
ko.wikipedia.org might not penetrate into Hermit Kingdom, and might be written almost entirely by the Republic of Korea, but it's still worth a factcheck link, while cross-lingual accounts might diverge, so that bilinguals can participate in either langauge contesting Neutral Point-of-View with Facts, as they come in.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamtheclayman (talk • contribs) 17:06, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
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