Talk:Vršac

message: Yeah :) Panonian that is it. When Evliya Çelebi was near Vršac, he visited Filip Višnjić the great poet who sang him his new grand epic poem "Vršac, Vršac über alles". "My dear son" talked the old Filip to young Evliya "you know nothing about our history. I must to tell you the whole." And talked Filip about unknown history, three days and three nights.
He talked about five young armoured knights in shiny armours who landed near Capitol (sorry!) Vršac Hill with their U-boat. (yes, it was in time of the Pannonian Sea). Vers said the first knight, Verbeč said the second knight, Vegenje cried the third knight, Veršet cried finally the fourth knight. And they quarrelled among themselves because of name, and then killed one another. After the fifth buried them, he got as far as saying: "Wherever are the Serb graves it is Serbia!". He sunk the U-boat and said only three words: "Vršac or Bust", and founded the settlement. This event happened four months after the Deluge..
..Fortress.. the fortress is a very interesting story. The fortress was built with Đurađ Branković's own hands. In one hand he took the plan of monastery Manasija, and in other two hands stones and mortar. Oops he had only two hands.. Đurađ Branković hired some Italian masons, but when he informed of who the Masons are, he fired them. Therefore are so many lodges in Italy but just slightly in Serbia.
Evliya put down every single word, but the whole text unfortunately disappeared, except one thought that Branković built the fortress after 1439. From that time the oral tradition is of greatest value among historians. The document is just runner-up.--Bendeguz 22:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice story, but you missed one thing: Evliya Çelebi died in 1682, while Filip Višnjić was born 1767, so there is no possibility that they ever met. Now let me tell you another story: you have one Hungarian historian whose father probably was a honved in the army of Horthy Miklos. So, in the moment when this historian was born, his father told him how evil neighbours stole ancient Hungarian lands where Hungarians lived even before Homo erectus, and when this historian grew up he came to idea to writte a book about ancient Hungarians who lived here before Homo erectus, but since he did not found a single trace of those Hungarians, he came to idea to proclaim that traces of Homo erectus are in fact traces of Hungarians, and that was his way to "prove" that story of his father is correct. Now when he saw how can he easy proclaim what ever he want, he started to claim that not only traces of Homo erectus, but traces of all other human races that ever walked on this earth are in fact traces of Hungarians. Finally, when human kind left Earth and started to fly in space with worp engine, this Hungarian historian came to new idea to proclaim that not only traces of humans, but traces of all species from all planets are in fact traces of Hungarians and therefore the whole universe is in fact ancient Hungarian land while all others are only evil aliens from another dimension who came to this universe (who they dare?) to stole what rightfully belong to Hungarians. Do you like the story, mister Bendeguz? PANONIAN (talk) 00:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And by the way, if you want serious discussion, the official web site of Vršac municipality also claim that fortress was built in the time of Đurađ Branković: http://www.vrsac.org.yu/ If official site also claim that, then it is official history, no matter that one Hungarian historian think that he is smarter. PANONIAN (talk) 00:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Érsomlyó is simply modern Hungarian transcription of name Erdesumulu and using Érsomlyó as original name version would be anachronistic because Hungarian was not even an written language in that time - until the end of the 13th century, there was ONLY ONE written document in Hungarian, so it is simply unknown what was original meaning of word Erdesumulu (or in which language this meant something). The meaning that word Érsomlyó have in modern Hungarian might be completelly different from the original meaning of the word. Regarding your sources about Erdesumulu, perhaps this town from those sources do not refer to Vršac, but to some other place that existed nearby. It is clear what official site claim about this: http://www.vrsac.org.yu/ So, I am sorry, but I more trust to this web site than to you or to authors from literature that YOU like to read (your disruptive behaviour on Wikipedia in the past is the reason because I think what I think). PANONIAN (talk) 02:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And please tell me if Erdesumulu was the first name of this town, then why official web site do not mention this name at all? It is not logical that official site does not mention this as well as the book "Mala istorija Vršca" that I used as a source. In another words we have two "mine" sources vs one "yours", and the only logical conclusion is that something is very wrong with your source. PANONIAN (talk) 02:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: For Ripley's

message: I don`t know why is there in turkish name of Vrsac, i am from Vrsac, and i am happy to say that we don`t have any turks there.Ou , just saw, please , spare me of Hungarian expansionist thinking.How can it be Hungarian when all Banat was Romanian ?I forgot, all of the Balkan is Hungarian by their history :).
Ps : take a look at turkish histroy , the latest "discovery" was that Alexandar the Great was turish :)
Pozdrav svima
:Names listed in the article are not only names used by the minorities that live in the city, but also historical names that were used in certain parts of the history. Vršac was part of the Ottoman Empire for almost 2 centuries, therefore Turkish name is listed. Regarding ethnic relations in the "all Banat", I believe that it is not a subject of this article - it is explained in the Banat article. PANONIAN (talk) 17:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish name

message: ...mister Bendeguz, but as you can see here, the town named Érsomlyó was not located where is now Vršac, but was located further to the east in the ROMANIAN Banat. So, that is reason why:
*1. Book "Mala istorija Vršca" do not mention that name.
*2. Official web site of Vršac in Serbian language do not mention that name: http://www.vrsac.org.yu/VrsacIstorijat.asp
*3. Official web site of Vršac in English language do not mention that name: http://www.vrsac.org.yu/en_VrsacIstorijat.asp
*4. Google hits for word Erdesumulu can find ONLY TWO pages that contain this word, both pages are Wikipedia articles where YOU posted this word: http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geusAL9aZFaBUBYyBXNyoA?p=Erdesumulu&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt
*5. Google hits for word Érsomlyó can found only few pages, most of them used Wikipedia as a source: http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuofY9qZFv2QBpg1XNyoA?p=%C3%89rsomly%C3%B3&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt
The conclusion? Yes, the town with name Erdesumulu/Érsomlyó did existed, but only few sources identify it with Vršac, while others place this town further to the east. I will change article accordingly. PANONIAN (talk) 03:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, mister Bendeguz, you really made a big mess here now, and please help me to solve it. This web site mention that Érsomlyó was located at Vršac: http://mazsola.iit.uni-miskolc.hu/~jurecz/forts/ but why other sources claim other things and why this map place this town into Romanian Banat: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cd/Hungary25.jpg or why this site claim that Érsomlyó was in Transylvania: http://lexikon.katolikus.hu/LINKEK/LINKDDDD/14DOMONK.HTML Serbian Banat was never counted as part of Transylvania, only Romanian one. PANONIAN (talk) 03:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also found this: Dr Dušan J. Popović (Srbi u Vojvodini, Novi Sad, 1990) claim that Vršac and Erd-Šomljo were two separate settlements. I believe that solution for this problem is that we writte new article about Erdesumulu/Érsomlyó/Erd-Šomljo and then to elaborate problems about definition of its location. So far, the claim Erdesumulu=Vršac do not seems very convincing. PANONIAN (talk) 04:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And one more thing, see this map again: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cd/Hungary25.jpg I did not noticed that yesterday because letters are very small, but I believe there is name "Versec" on this map too located where modern Vršac is, but not at the same location where word Érsomlyó is written. PANONIAN (talk) 18:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: In another words, you just proved that connection between Vršac and Érsomlyó is nothing else but a theory presented by one linguist and turcologist. Thank you - that was all that I needed. PANONIAN (talk) 00:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: So what? Many other possesions of Branković are not labeled on that map. So, what is a point? PANONIAN (talk) 15:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nice try...

message: Please stop your disruptive edits here. Before your next revert, please try to answer to several points:
*1. I just proved on this talk page that it is not clear whether Érsomlyó is same place as Vršac. Claim that Érsomlyó is same place as Vršac is ONLY ONE UNPROVED THEORY and your attempt to present it as UNDISPUTED TRUTH is indeed an DISRUPTIVE EDIT. Read again my posts in previous section and please try to answer them before your blind reverts. 
*2. Regarding names, my claim about anachronistic names was only about usage of Magyarized names invented in the 19th century. It is clear that since those Magyarized names were invented in the 19th century, that it would be ridiculous to use them in the Medieval Ages. On the contrary, name Vršac is not a new name, but very old one, which was always used by local population, thus replacing this name with other names would create a false impression that this name is new and would also confuse ordinary readers of Wikipedia who have no idea about usage of names in different languages in various time periods. 
*3. Please do not remove SOURCED information from OFFICIAL WEB SITE OF MUNICIPALITY. PANONIAN (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: Are you sure that Turkish name is correct? With this ortograph I can't find any Google match. --Koppany 04:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish name

message: I would like to add more photos from Vrsac and to replace the first picture because i have a better one. If somebody has something to say or some proposal , please, be free to say. I am just trying to improve this article so if i exaggerate with pictures please say so :). I have added one picture to Mesić monastery article and i have made an article about Jovan Sterija Popovic because the old one had only one sentence.
And on Vrsac page, i will add at jovan sterija popovic - Serbian playwright, dramatist, comediographer, and pedagogue of  Aromanians descent. 
I have the source.
1. http://www.inmediasres.rs.sr/pages/cincari.htm 
2. http://www.banatul.com/info/banat-history-romanians-in-serbia.shtml
It's in Serbian. iadrian (talk) 22:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: I removed info that Romanians lived in this city during Ottoman rule because such claim is not supported by sources that I examined and this claim was not backed by sources either. I wrote an article about Demographic history of Vršac in Serbian Wikipedia where I listed all data that I found about demographic history of this city. The source that speak about time of Ottoman administration mention that only Muslims and Serbs lived in Vršac. If we find any source that mention that Romanians lived in the city in this time, we should mention them as well. PANONIAN 14:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Unfortunately there is no reference for that claim and as such it should be removed. If I find it I will add it, but I doubt, because there isn`t any available, at least not in electronic format. Greetings. Adrian (talk) 14:36, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
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