Talk:Kurt Angle/Archive 3

message: I searched for the term 'Gobshite" and Kurt Angle is the page that I get directed to.  If I knew how to fix this, I would.  Just a friendly reminder. (Bingo Overhill 03:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the edit history of Gobshit, a user created it on March 6th as a redirect to this page. What is "Gobshite"? TJ Spyke 03:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I heard the term in an Irish film.  Apparently, it means (from urbandictionary.com) "a loud-mouthed person who talks a lot, but nothing with any value - as in shite coming out of their gob", "A word of irish origin, meaning a person who blabbers on about incredibly senseless things"...You can imagine my surprise (and, I admit, some amusement) when I was redirected to the "Kurt Angle" page through a gobshite search. (Bingo Overhill 02:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks (Bingo Overhill 02:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gobshite 

message: In the game WWE SmackDown! Here Comes The Pain, Kurt Angle's finisher is "Angle Lock" and "Angle Slam". Is it really called the "Angle Lock"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kingofgames2 (talk • contribs) 03:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard announcers call it that on occasion, but they almost always just say ankle lock. TJ Spyke 03:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Angle Lock

message: Despite Kurt Angle walking out of TNA Sacrifice 2007 with the NWA World Championship belt. It must be made known that this match was NOT sanctioned by the National Wrestling Alliance and TNA were stripped of the NWA titles officially hours before the PPV took place. Kurt Angle is NOT the NWA World Champion nor will he be seen as a former NWA World Champion.
Christian Cage was the last NWA World Heavyweight Champion in TNA, he since has been stripped. TNA wish to call Kurt Angle "World Heavyweight Champion" like WWE do or "TNA World Champion" but make it known he is NOT the NWA World Heavyweight Champion as the title is vacant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.56.16 (talk) 03:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I reverted it. Angle is not, and never was, the NWA Champions. WHEN TNA announces their titles, i'm sure Cage will be considered the first champ (maybe Angle first). TJ Spyke 03:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Kurt is not the first champion. Christian Cage is, Angle is the 2nd (and current) champion. Check WP:PW, where  link to TNA's site has it. For future reference, do not post spoilers (I have removed it from your post) as that is against WP:PW policy. TJ Spyke 08:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Cage was the first champion, then lost the title to Angle. TNA's own website said this. Stop removing the TNA title or it will be considered vandalism. TJ Spyke 23:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NWA Title 

message: I'll refrain from edit warring (for now at least) and will certainly double-check the Invasion-era tapes I have, but the full name of that title certainly was "WCW United States Heavyweight Championship," and in any case the belt itself definitely still bore this name when it was used in the Invasion. Nosleep1234 18:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But the "Heavyweight" part was dropped during the invasion. WWE did the same witht the main WCW title (just calling it the WCW World Championship). TJ Spyke 02:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  US title 

message: I just watched Sacrifice again and they NEVER announced Christain as world heavyweight champion...what they did do was announce Cage as "The defending NWA Champion" which since is untrue NO title was on the line at Sacrifice, so Cage and Angle had no title wins..But the FIRST time that the TNA world title was on the line was Slammiversary...on the pre-show Jeremy Borash said " tonight the King Of The Mountain match will be to crown the FIRST EVER TNA World Champion" and also it was the first time the TNA belt was on the graphic. So basically this proves that Kurt Angle is the FIRST EVER TNA Champion. I am even watching impact right now and they are reffering to Angle as the First TNA Champion. ,June 21st 2007,9:35pm
:You are wrong, they said Angle is the first "undisputed" champion. TNA considers Cage the first champion. TJ Spyke 04:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The pre-show was wrong (and not for the first time). Check out Kurt Angle's profile on TNA's website, they call him a 2 time TNA World Champions:  and Cage a 3 time champion: . TJ Spyke 03:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If this is the Sacrifice match, i've already seen it. It was not for the NWA Title match because Cage was not the NWA Champion at the event. Cage is the first TNA Champion, even TNA says so. End of story. TJ Spyke 04:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Ever TNA Champion

message: OK i am getting tired of this. Kurt Angle is the First Ever TNA Champion...people have said it..ive seen websites that say it...and TNA says it..and I say it. But i guess i will  try to explain my reasoning. First off when NWA "Stripped" the titles off of Cage and 3D, it wasnt made public other than a little website...even then the NWA didnt even take the titles until AFTER Sacrifice. Thus allowing TNA to continue using the belts for that PPV. If u watch the graphic wear it shows Angle, sting and Cage...it CLEARLY says NWA World Heavyweight Championship, also the second graphic the "floating" one says NWA HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP. And finally when Borash was doing the introductions he announced cage as "The defending NWA Heavyweight Champion of the World!"  therefore this match was still officially for the NWA Title, in which Angle won. therefore Angle became the NWA Champion. Then the second he got back to the locker room a NWA official took the title from Angle...thus " officially" stripping Angle of the NWA TITLE. The follwing Impact, Angle would walk out with a never before seen title...calling himself the HEAVYWEIGHT champion...not the TNA or NWA champion..just the HEAVYWEIGHT  champion....but do to the controversy of the night before, cornette would say that there is no champion. The Slammiversary main event would be to crown the TNA heavyweight Champion...this would be the FIRST time that the TNA title would be advertised to be on the line....the FIRST time it would be shown on the graphic...and the FIRST time that someone(kurt angle) would be announced as a TNA champion. All throughout the night they were saying " to crown the FIRST EVER TNA champion...and they did that in Kurt Angle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.1.71 (talk • contribs) 
:Keep this discussion on 1 talk page please. The NWA STRIPPED Cage and Team 3D of the belts before the PPV, it doesn't mean shit what TNA said during the PPV. TNA could have called Cage the WWE Champion, but that doesn't mean it would have been true. NOBODY considers Kurt Angle a NWA World Champion (not the NWA, not TNA, no title history page). TNA's official title history page says Cage was the first TNA Champion, Cage's TNA profile says he is a 3 time world champion (meaning 2 NWA and 1 TNA), Angle's profile says he is a 2 time world champion, Cornette stripped Angle of the belt (meaning Angle was champion). To sum everything up: NWA stripped TNA of the belts before Sacrifice (meaning TNA no longer had any say over who the NWA Champions were, regardless of what Jeremy Borash says), NOBODY considers Angle a former NWA World Champion, there have been 3 official TNA World Title reigns (2 from Angle and 1 from Cage). The controversy after Sacrifice is why TNA said Angle is the first undisputed champion, not the first champion at all. TJ Spyke 06:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check this out: http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldpreview.html Kurt Angle is a former 1-time NWA Champion, and 1-time TNA Champion. MC511 21:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I think we should recognize the NWA title reign that TNA claims, because even if the NWA doesn't recognize it, it's a title change that did happen in kayfabe, live on PPV in front of thousands of people, just leave a note that the NWA does not recognize it and only TNA does, just like it was the last couple of days. TonyFreakinAlmeida 15:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agreed. MC511 22:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 100$ Disagree. TNA had no say over the belt anymore and Cage was no longer the champion. It really doesn't matter what TNA says because they had no authority over the belt anymore. Tony, if you were to claim that you were the NWA Champion, that claim would be as legit as Angle's. Neither the NWA (the only ones decide who has been a champion) nor PWI (who are usually considered to be the #1 unofficial source) consider Angle a former NWA Champion. MAYBE mention in the article (in the TNA) section that Angle unofficially won a title that TNA claimed to be the NWA Title, but not in the actual title section. TJ Spyke 00:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It deserves to be in Angle's championships and accomplishments on this page under his TNA section, as well as in the NWA title history page as an unofficial reign.  If TNA are saying that he won the NWA title in their organization, then he did, and you CAN NOT argue with the point that this was viewed on national television, albeit, internationally by thousands and he was announced as the new World Heavyweight Champion, and now in the new TNA title history page on their site, they claim it to be an NWA title reign. I'm setting aside sources of the nonsense that maybe TNA had the right to book a champion by midnight, because those claims are unfounded, but the bottom line is, it's right there on the page, Angle is recognized by TNA as a 1 time NWA world champ and 1 time TNA world champ, IT SHOULD be noted. I'm not claiming I'm any champion? Wtf? Neither is Angle even claiming he's any champion, but TNA is recognizing him as such. TonyFreakinAlmeida 02:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

text: TNA had no power over the NWA Title at the time, so it doesn't matter what they say. TNA lost the right to crown new champions when Cage was stripped of the title earlier in the day. My point about you was that you could claim you were the NWA Champion and your claim would be just as legit as TNA's claim about Angle. If TNA tried to claim Tomko was the NWA Champion, would you claim we should add that to Tomko's titles section? Angle is not and never was the NWA Champion, and TNA claiming he was doesn't make it so. Make a mention the main body of his article that TNA claimed he won the title, but it shouldn't be listed in his titles section since he did not win the title. TJ Spyke 02:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: TJ is right on this one. You know how John Cena's US title spinner belt wasn't the actual belt, but represented it? On ahe night of Sacrifice, the NWA title represented an as of yet unnamed TNA world championship. That match was never for the NWA championship. I actually don't think he won any title that night, but regardless of the fact if he did, it was not the NWA belt. To be honest, I've never heard TNA claim that Angle won the NWA belt, on their site, in their commentary, whereever. Projectmayhem44 17:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, I concede on this one, but the Cena custom title belt thing is wrong. The US spinner was used during his reign as champion.  I guess you're going to tell me that his current WWE title belt isn't the real belt, even though RVD and Edge both wore it during their title reigns? It's a standard design, as was the Cena US spinner for the timebeing that he was champion.  I don't know where the argument came from of guys holding belts and calling themselves so and so champion, because I full well understand that. But TNA declared on their site that Angle won the "World Heavyweight Championship" after Sacrifice, and now in their World Heavyweight Title lineage, but whatever. I guess you could call his win an interim or generic World Heavyweight Title win. TonyFreakinAlmeida 20:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not made to be an argument, just an example, but I'm right regardless. The US title belt that he held (and was blown up) designated the US title, just as the Smoking Skull belt designated the WWF title during Stone Cold's reign. Remember, we went back to the real belt in both cases. As for the current WWE title, I would argue that Cena's custom belt isn't the real thing (remember, both Edge and RVD were basically transitional champions, and Edge's belt was modified as well, you'll tell me that the "rated r" belt is the real title?), but honestly, he's held the belt so long that its hard to tell. Jury's still out on that one. I did find the title history you mentioned, and boy, it doesn't help at all. They need to get rid of the first Angle reign, otherwise if Angle didn't win the NWA titled (and as TJ pointed out, he didn't, what did he win? It all stems from that first title win, which really shouldn't be there under most people's eyes. I do see your argument in a better light now, and agree that Angle was the first champion, but the "what was Cage at Sacrifice" question will make my head explode. Projectmayhem44 21:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

text: My opinion (as I stated before), mention the main body of the article that TNA claims he won the NWA Title at Sacrifice. Just don't include it in the titles section. TJ Spyke 02:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not official though. Only the NWA can decide who has officially held their titles, and they say Angle never won the title since they had stripped Christian Cage of the belt and taken it back from TNA (meaning TNA no longer had control over the belt and there was no title for Angle to win from Cage). Whether we should mention it in the title section is debatable, but there is no doubt that it wouldn't be considered official. TJ Spyke 04:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a small interesting update. I was watching the Victory Road commercial, and for the match of champions, they call Angle a "7 time world champion". Considering the 6 he won in WWE (4 wwe, 1 world, 1 wcw), its almost like they're not even counting the NWA win. They really have to get together and think about what really happened that night, and give someone an answer. Projectmayhem44 01:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: TNA on Angle's profile on their site are now calling him a 1-Time World Heavyweight Champion in the company.  The link to the title history page on TNA's web site has yet to be made public, but is still reading that Angle is a one-time NWA World Champion.  They'll probably correct it at some point... TonyFreakinAlmeida 15:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NWA and TNA championship conclusions

message: Some may know that Dana White has been trying to get Kurt to the UFC, and has talked to the company Angle currently works for. Should it be noted on the article? There are several sources on Kurt Angle maybe fighting in MMA in the future, from both Angle and Dana at interviews.--Wikikidboy 11:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read that Dana has talked to Angle, but I haven't seen it say he is trying to get Angle in. It used to be noted in the article, last fall when Angle expressed interest in MMA. Doesn't matter to me. TJ Spyke 02:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ultimate Fighting Championship|UFC]] 

message: Q: Who is considered the first TNA World Heavyweight Champion? I know that TNA parted ways with the NWA prior to Sacrifice, so was Christian Cage the first TNA champion before losing it to Kurt Angle that night? Or was it Angle when he won it that night? Or is it Angle’s win at Slammiversary?
Eric Gentry
Battle Creek, Michigan
Bill Banks: As far as who will be listed as the first TNA World Heavyweight Champion, I would have to go with Kurt Angle’s win at Slammiversary. At Sacrifice, Christian Cage still held the old NWA belt going into the match. Remember, Kurt Angle never officially won that bout, as he assumed he won and took off with the belt – a move Jim Cornette reversed a few days later on “iMPACT!” when he vacated the championship. So, in effect, the first TNA World Heavyweight Champion was determined in the King of the Mountain match.
http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=1415
This is from TNA's OFFICIAL site —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.10.196 (talk • contribs) 
:TNA's OFFICIAL website says Cage is the first champion. That just says that Bill Banks thinks Angle is. Banks says Angle, TNA says Cage. We go with Cage. Banks shows he doesn't know what he is talking about since TNA does count the title change at Sacrifice. TJ Spyke 23:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The official confirmation we have is that Cage is the first champion. What you have is one persons opinion (a person who gets proven wrong on multiple different pages on TNA's official website). TJ Spyke 23:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Uh-huh, then why does TNA consider Cage a 3 time world champion() and Angle a 2 time world champion () (also proving Banks WRONG about the Sacrifice title changes not counting). TNA also considers Cage the first TNA World Champion (). If Banks thinks Angle never won the title at Sacrifice, then why does TNA consider him a 2 time world champion? If I didn't like Angle (which is laughable because he is one of my favorite all-time wrestlers), why would I be trying to add another world title reign for him? Wouldn't I be trying to pretend Slammiversary was his first like you are? TJ Spyke 04:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: So my question then, and I don't mean to be argumentative, but just to think about it: If Angle won a World Title at Sacrifice, as the TNA site DOES indicate on his profile, what World Title was it? The NWA does not recognize him as a former champion, so what does that leave?Garistotle 18:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Considering it's NWA's Title, only the NWA can decide if the match was for the NWA Title. The NWA officially too the title away from TNA (the championship, not the actual physical belt), earlier that day. TNA has created quite a mess with this whole situation, they should have just said something like "as a result of the controversial endiing at Sacrifice, we are dropping this title and creating a new TNA World Heavyweight Championship with the first champion to be crowned at Slammiversary", rather than this mess where TNA contradicts itself. Also, the NWA and TNA agreed to end their relationship early, so TNA had no power over the NWA Belt. TJ Spyke 22:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we can also agree that TNA has created a mess, they are contradicting themselves both on TV and on their website and just generally causing a mess for those of us trying to orgnaize title histories. TJ Spyke 03:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check this out: http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldpreview.html  Kurt Angle is a former 1-time NWA Champion, and 1-time TNA Champion. MC511 20:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, every time I've heard Tenay talk about it, he never talks about that first title reign. Even before the Slammiversary match, he said (exact quote): "And you know that Kurt Angle would love nothing better than to get his first ever world championship right here in TNA". I guess none of us could know until TNA comes out with their official title history, which should happen sooner rather than later. Projectmayhem44 21:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bill Banks says Angle is first Champion 

message: Kurt Angle just defeated Brock Lesnar for the IWGP belt...but is it counted as a reign? i say count it...cuz lesnar never lost it and its still the belt.
:Lesnar was stripped of the title more than a year ago. The current IWGP Champion is Yuji Nagata. All Angle won was the physical belt (which is because Inoki owns it). When Inoki left NJPW (who controls the championship), he claimed that Lesnar was still the champion. Angle is being referred to as the IGF Champion (IGF being Inoki's promotion) since Inoki has no authority over the IWGP Title. TJ Spyke 23:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kurt is full of controversy with all these titles! MC511 20:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great, more controversy (IWGP TITLE)

message: Angle defeated Lesnar for the IWGP World Heavyweight Title today. I won't post it because I can't find a source. Here are some pics to prove this is true.
http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/1183127420/img.sports.yahoo.co.jp/spnavi/photo/fight/200706/29/20070629180.jpg
http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/1183123776/img.sports.yahoo.co.jp/spnavi/photo/fight/200706/29/20070629186.jpg
http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/1183127421/img.sports.yahoo.co.jp/spnavi/photo/fight/200706/29/20070629188.jpg
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/headlines/images/20070629/20070629-00000045-spnavi-fight-view-000.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2341/angledoublegoldjp4.jpg
If someone can find a source please post it.--24.184.169.37 22:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering Yuji Nagata is the IWGP Champion and Angle defeated Brock Lesnar, it's not. Only New Japan Pro Wrestling can say it, it would be like somebody in ROH claiming they won the WWE Championship. Brock Lesnar was stripped of the IWGP Title last year by the IWGP. All Antonio Inoki has is the physical belt. What happened was that Antonio Inoki left NJPW (the organization that controls the IWGP Title) and started his own promotion, Inoki owned the physical belt and took it with him. So while Inoki and TNA claim it's the IWGP Championship (since they are doing a talent exchange, it's not the IWGP Championship and I doubt New Japan (or the real IWGP Champion Yuji Nagata) will be happy with them claiming Angle is the champion. TJ Spyke 23:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: How can you hold a title when you don't beat the champion though? Cage was no longer the NWA Champion since he had been stripped by the NWA earlier that day, and Brock Lesnar had been stripped of the IWGP Title more than a YEAR ago (he was stripped on June 15, 2006). The NWA Title was vacant when Angle beat Cage and the current IWGP Champion is Yuji Nagata. While Angle did win the physical belt (which Inoki owned), he didn't win the championship. For now, it seems like people are referring to Inoki's title as the IGF World Heavyweight Championship (IGF=Inoki Genome Federation, the name of his promotion) since the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship belongs to New Japan Pro Wrestling). TJ Spyke 23:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The NWA one is a better case (since it was the same day, and not over a year later), but TNA no longer had control of the title at Sacrifice. I do have my e-mail registered on Wikipedia, but you have to register to be able to use it (which I suggest you do anyways). Don't you think a promotion has final say over their belt? The NWA considered the title vacant as soon as they stripped Cage of the belt. TJ Spyke 00:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, he had the IWGP Belt but not the IWGP Championship (i.e. the physical belt he has says IWGP World Heavyweight Championship but it's not the IWGP Title). How can he be the champion though when the man he beat wasn't the IWGP Champion? He beat Brock Lesnar, who was stripped of the belt more than a year ago. The current IWGP Champion (as considered official by NJPW) is Yuji Nagata. Let Angle call himself whatever he wants, he can call himself the "Galactic Nova Hyper Chicken Champion" if he wants. I am personally gonna call him the IGF Champion for now since that makes the most sense. TJ Spyke 00:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: lol, well said TJ ;) The Hybrid 00:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

text: NWA are recognizing Kurt Angle as the "IWGP World Heavyweight Champion" http://www.nwawrestling.com/PHP-Nuke/index.php MC511 21:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the title was called the "IWGP Third Belt Title" at the show, so maybe we should call it that. Also, the NWA does not call Angle that, they call him "Inoki IGF/IWGP Champion". Angle won the physical title belt (it was the third belt design in IWGP, hence the "IWGP Third Belt" name), but the only way he could win the real IWGP World Heavyweight Championship would be to defeat Yuji Nagata (who is, you know, the IWGP Champion). As for the NWA Title situation, the NWA does not consider him a former champion and we shouldn't either since the NWA had stripped Cage earlier in the day. Since TNA now has change their hisotry page to say Angle won the NWA Title, that means Angle loses a world title reign (since they don't consider it a TNA Title reign, and they no longer had any say over the NWA Title. It now goes the way of other unofficial reigns like Bobo Brazil and Carlos Colon). TJ Spyke 03:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Take a look at Talk:TNA World Heavyweight Championship for the discussion on the issue and the mess TNA has created with the title situation. TJ Spyke 05:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IWGP World Champion 

message: at Hard Justice 2007 Kurt angle won Samoa joe and keep his TNA World Heavywieght Championship and the IWGP championship and regin the TNA X-Division Championship and the TNA World Tag Team Championship.Now He holding all the title in TNA!
::And he's the most decorated wrestler.....EVER--KingMorpheus 12:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hard Justice 

message: To answer spykes its really called the ankle lock i know this for the fact because Ken Shamrock used to use it in WWF.
While the move is called the Ankle Lock Angle often calls it the Angle Lock, just like Batista calls a sitout powerbomb a batista bomb, or Stevie Richards calls a superkick a Stevie Kick.LessThanClippers 15:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ankle Lock 

message: Why isn't the X Division and TNA Tag title listed on Angle's accomplishments? Can an admin add them? Virakhvar321 18:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New titles 

message: In the opening, can you please list him as the holder of all TNA championships, - The TNA Heavyweight Championship, The X-Division Championship, and both Tag Team championships, as well as the IWGP third title.
Also, can these be added to accomplishments, as well as his status as only the 2nd TNA triple crown winner, and the only person to hold all the belts in the triple crown at the same time.
I understand the need to protect articles, but if 24 hours after a PPV there is no update as to the result,I feel we may need to unprotect. LessThanClippers 23:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Administrator Please Add 

message: tna heavy height tag x divisiaon
This is out of hand.  Hard Justice was 4 days ago, and still an admin hasn't updated Kurt's page? MDowdal 14:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Championships

message: kurt and Steve Borden are the champs add that  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spider2005 (talk • contribs) 04:34, August 29, 2007 (UTC) 
Angle is now the holder of all the TNA titles as well as the second ever triple crown champion. THIS NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED.JakeDHS07 18:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a line to the lead of the article to reflect these things.  If you folks would like to write it better than I can (since I don't know the subject matter), feel free to draft it on the talk page and (once you have consensus about it) let me know on my talk and I'll look at moving it over from talk to the article.  The  template really is the best way to get changes made - I'd never have thought to look at this article without that template being on it.  Cheers, - Philippe | Talk 22:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Updating titles for Kurt Angle

message: Please remove Karen Angle as a manager.  Karen Angle has accompanied him to the ring for 0 matches since he has been in TNA, and is staying by his side as HIS WIFE.  She is not managing him, shes not even a valet at this time as she has been at ringside for 0 matches. She is being used as part of a single storyline, and once she has shown to be "managing" him, then she can be added.  At this time, it looks like Kurt is managing the whole situation and using Karen in it.LessThanClippers 14:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is only semiprotected, so nearly any editor can make the changes if appropriate. Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Karen Angle

message: it should also be noted that he is the first person to win the triple crown in both WWE and TNA S-pac54 22:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triple crown 

message: I must say, despite being one goofy looking guy, he has got to be the most decorated professional wrestler ever.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.159.54.170 (talk)  
:goofy looking guy? I don't think so! in the words of the man himself...he's a "sexy Kurt"...you don't shut your mouth he'll "make you ankle hurt."
:Actually the most decorated professional wrestler ever would be Jerry Lawler.  He has 124 titles from the AWA, WCCW, NWA, Mid-South and Memphis Wrestling.  At one point, the guys from Memphis wrestled every night for 20 years or so and there were a lot of title changes.  124 are recognized by WWE, I think the actually count may be higher. --Naha|(talk) 23:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow