Talk:Luxembourgish

message: This section should be reworked. It is mainly based on what is NOT a press article, but a 1:1 copy-paste of press release by a political organization (WEE 2050, which became part of the right-wing ADR) and one article on a blog. At the moment the section reads like the arguments of these right-wingers, which is not the reality.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.136.9.227 (talk) 10:16, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: (False)Endangered status claims

message: Question
Hi. Can anyone tell me tell me more about the linguistic etiquette in Luxembourg.  I am a native english-speaker but I also speak French and High German but not Luxembourgish.  If I go to Luxembourg which language should I use to talk to people in the shops, on the streets etc?
: Luxembourgish...if possible. Otherwise, rather french than german. Bababu 21:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In Luxembourg City and in the South East around Esch sur Alzette French is very dominant. Alot of shop workers are French people who commute into Luxembourg to work and so don't speak Luxembourgish. Outside the city Luxembourgish is the main language and as it is so close to German it is probably easiest to speak to people in German rather than French as some people's French is not that great.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.246.106.4 (talk) 16:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Luxembourger, I would probably try and speak Luxembourgish with the shopkeepers. If they don't speak Luxembourgish, the workforce is then most likely to speak French, and if not French, then they are most likely to speak German. 86.156.98.235 (talk) 18:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It should be noted that bigger stores and shops have started to train their staff to speak Luxembourgish, so currently (2012) you'll be able to speak Luxembourgish in more stores than a few years back. However, French is still the most common language. --2001:7E8:C686:6901:B074:4BB0:F5D3:CB1C (talk) 12:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Language etiquette

message: quote: "For example, the name for a bus driver is Buschauffeur which would be Busfahrer in German and Chauffeur de bus in French."
Buschauffeur is the name for a bus driver which is also used in the Netherlands (and in Belgium?). Is Luxembourgisch not a mix of german, french and dutch (i.e flemish)?
:No, it's not. Bababu 21:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Luxembourgish permits compounds where two words can come from different language families. It is very common to mix Romance and Germanic words into one Luxembourgish compound, such as "Buschauffeur". <chauffeur> can be either pronounced /ʃo:fɐ/ or /ʃo:fœr/, the first pronunciation being closer to native Luxembourgish phonology, especially with the word-final /ɐ/. 86.156.98.235 (talk) 18:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Buschauffeur is a German word too, it's just not that much in use any-more.--2001:A61:2135:6F01:F892:AC09:BB52:5390 (talk) 20:15, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: ?

message: Is this related to other dialects of Low German?  If so, say so.
:It isn't.
But to High German dialects.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.142.56.170 (talk) 16:18, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, technically, it is, but not that closely. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 20:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: related?

message: I have been told that the language spoken by a Germanic minority in Transylvania (Siebenbürger Sachsen in German) is virtually identical to Luxembourgish. According to the German Wikipedia, they were settlers in the 12 century that came from the Mosel region. Does anybody know more about their language? Should it be included here? pir 00:25, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but firstly, Luxembourg shares a border with Lorraine, not with Alsace. And secondly, in the adjacent areas of Lorraine, no dialect of French is spoken, but only Standard French and, by older persons, a German dialect that is closely related to Luxembourgish. --129.35.231.17 14:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: virtually identical

message: Just added a template. [[Haverton 00:36, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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message: By the way it is not true that German people easily understand Luxembourgish. I have experienced many times, that Germans actually do not understand at all what was said when I was speaking in Luxembourgish to my friends or my family. Indeed all the Germans I have met during my studies, actually pointed out to me that it could not be a dialect, as they could not understand it. 
That people in Trier understand us is quite normal, as it is like 5 minutes from Luxembourg!
^^^^
I dissagree with this statement, its true that Luxembourgish is not "totally" mutually intelligeble with High German but the differences between the two languages when spoken are not extreme and Luxembourgish is closer to High German that many dialects of German spoken in Germany and just about all dialects of German spoken in Switzerland. As far as all the German you met saying it was not a dialect because they couldn't understand well that says nothing because Germans from northern Germany have great difficulty understanding dialects spoken in Bavaria. Swiss television programs (in German) are broadcasted in Germany with subtitles for an example. Because of its official status and cultural acceptance it is accurate to say Luxembourgish is not a dialect, but not because it is not understood by native speakers of High German. The two are very closely pronounced with very similar vocabularies.--84.153.15.166 18:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luxembourg 

message: I recently took a trip to Luxembourg to visit with family that I have there.
I only have a smattering of knowledge of the 3 langauges (German, French, or Luxembourgish) - this comes from visiting family every several years and taking some French in high school a long time ago.
I tried to pay close attention to the languages spoken so that I could at least tell what language was spoken when.
My family all spoke Luxembourgish and a smattering of english.  On the few occasions that someone spoke French or German it was like night and day.
The German that I heard was very gutteral and sounded much more rough than the Luxembourgish that I was becoming used to hearing.
The French had a more smooth and the sound flowed smoother than Luxembourgish.
I often listen to RTL.lu online to help get more familiar with the language as most of its broadcasting is in Luxembourgish, but don't be surprised to hear some French and a bit of German - especially from call-ins and what not.
A good source of modern German, French and Luxembourgish can be found on the RTL radio broadcasts available online
Visit
   http://www.RTL.lu
   http://www.RTL.de
   http://www.RTL.fr
and look for live radio.
Listen to the DJs and hear the differences in the languages.
:: Note that there are three different RTL companies, depending on the country. RTL.lu has nothing got to do with RTL.de and RTL.fr. All despite their common history. 147.143.96.47 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 15:56, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The sound of the language 

message: Regarding the exemplary phrases: I don't speak Letzebuergesch, but does Arcelor really mean asshole? Why would a large steel company from Luxembourg call itself so Arcelor? Blur4760 07:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arcelor 

message: Never in the 7 years I lived in Luxembourg did I hear anyone call the language "luxembourgian" it was always "luxembourgish". I would suggest removing any reference to "luxembourgian"
:A google search for luxembourgish and luxembourgian certainly suggests that luxembourgian is a lot rarer, if it is at all allowed. Teutanic 16:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Luxembourgish' is the language.  'Luxembourgian' is the adjective for the country.  They really shouldn't be confused.  Hence, I have removed it from the introduction.  Also, 'Luxemburgish' is an archaic spelling; English settled upon the French spelling of 'Luxembourg' in the early 20th century. Bastin 17:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've always heard 'luxembourgish' as both language AND adjective. At least within the Ex-patriate english speaking community in Luxembourg nobody ever says 'luxembourgian'... Teutanic 13:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In academic articles about Luxembourg, the adjective used is "Luxembourgish" (with "o"). The language is also called "Luxembourgish" or, in some cases is referred by the native name "Lëtzebuergesch". People are called "Luxembourger(s)". To avoid the adjectival issue, academic literature also uses "Luxembourg": the Luxembourg government, Luxembourg literature. For the latter, this might be used to distinguish it from literature written in Luxembourgish, as opposed to Luxembourg literature written in either French, German, or Luxembourgish. Native literature is mostly trilingual. 91.37.236.107 (talk) 09:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  luxembourgian? 

message: Hi all.  I've just rewritten the article to bring it in line with the articles on other EU languages, and to include the extra information from the lb: article.  My Luxembourgish isn't fantastic (I've only spent a little time there), so any checks on my translations and further suggestions for comment are very welcome! Aquilina 11:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: May 2006 rewrite

message: BERG, Guy, Mir wëlle bleiwe wat mir sin: Soziolinguistische und sprachtypologische Betrachtungen zur luxemburgischen Mehrsprachigkeit., Tübingen, 1993 (Reihe Germanistische Linguistik 140). .
Is that book really in Luxembourgish? Although the sentence  mir wëlle bleiwe wat mir sin  is Luxembourgish, the rest of the title is in Standard German.
Wathiik 10:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mea culpa!  Misread the title whilst re-writing the article and didn't notice - I've corrected the book list now.  Many thanks! Aquilina 17:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Luxembourgish?

message: The following passage appears in the article on Umlaut:
In Luxembourgish (Lëtzebuergesch), the umlaut diacritic in <ä> and <ë> represents a stressed schwa. Since the Luxembourgish language uses the mark to show stress, it cannot be used to modify the 'u' which therefore has to be 'ue'.
This seems to be almost totally inaccurate, but I prefer to check with people here. And it would be nice to have something about pronunciation in the Luxembourgish article (especially the vowels and diphthongs). CapnPrep 04:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lux. orthography and pronunciation 

message: I believe at least some of the examples in that section are misspelled, possibly based on regional variations (dialects). For example I believe "Gudden Muergen." Good Morning. should be written "Gudde Moien". But I'm generally no good at written Luxembourgish, so I will see whether someone else from Luxembourgish language wikipedia can take a quick look at that list.--Caranorn 21:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  selected common phrases 

message: In the neologism section, is it really necessary to throw the F-word in there?  It looks more gratuitous than important data.
I'm not against including the "seven words you can't say on TV" where they truly add something to the article, but I do not agree that there is a good reason to use that example when another would do.
Centercounter 09:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary swearing 

message: Does anyone here know the standardized orthography?Cameron Nedland 02:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not me, I asked on the Luxembourgish language wikipedia a while back to have someone check through this article as I had/have some doubts about some things. But as far as I can tell no one ever took the time.--Caranorn 11:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How odd.  Thank you.Cameron Nedland 21:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The current orthographie, set in the 1999 Law on the official orthography can be found on http://www.legilux.public.lu/leg/a/archives/1999/1121108/1121108.pdf
Users can also use the free spellchecker available from http://www.spellchecker.lu/
Standardised orthography is also used throughout on the Luxembourgish Wikipedia. 86.156.98.235 (talk) 18:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthography 

message: Most Luxembourgish speak usually in German as demonstrated by the fact that according to Wikipedia (Luxembourg) 85% of articles in Luxembourg are published in German language and just 3% in Luxembourgish. 
The reason trying to build a different national identity in Luxembourg from German Lander is political. WIR SIND EIN VOLK.--81.37.39.134 (talk) 02:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, this is odd, because I not only spoke English growing up but every year seemed to take a class called "English" wherein I learned about the English language.  It looked to me like I learned English in school even though I already spoke it.  Odd that. Ekwos (talk) 07:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language and politics 

message: The two projects described are not academic projects. Cortina is no longer running and, as a spellchecker, is replaced by Spellchecker.lu, which is an ongoing project. As for Laf (Luxebourgish as a Foreign Language), not much academic research has been published on this matter. The mere fact that is taught as a language does not validate scholarship.
Could the section "Academic Projects" please be either deleted or updated?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.37.205.166 (talk) 14:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Academic Projects

message: As written, the article states:
::Luxembourgish is also spoken in small parts of the surrounding countries of Belgium (in the Province of Luxembourg near Arlon), France (in small parts of Lorraine) and Germany (around Bitburg and Trier). In Germany and Lorraine it is simply considered the local German dialect. Since the Second World War, however, the language has not been taught in these countries, with the result that use of Luxembourgish is largely restricted to the older generations.
I'd imagine that the speakers of Luxembourgish in Belgian Luxembourg probably identify their language as Luxembourgish, but "Trierer Platt" (Trier "Low German") is a Moselle Franconian dialect, as is the dialect in Lorraine. This passage suggests that while the languages in these areas might be "considered" the local dialect, they in fact are speaking Luxembourgish. This suggests that there is no distinction between Moselle Franconian and Luxembourgish.
One might make the case for this, say, were the city of Luxembourg a cultural center from which linguistic influence radiated into the surrounding regions, but this would be a completely ahistorical view. Until modern times, that cultural center has been Trier, specifically, the Archdiocese of Trier, of which Luxembourg was a constituent part until Napoleon. Luxembourg itself did not become an archdiocese until 1988. This is the reason, for instance, why the Rhine Franconian dialect of Saarbrücken never penetrated the entirety of the Saarland: the influence of Trier was too strong.
A more accurate description would be that Luxembourgish is a Moselle Franconian dialect in the process of becoming a standardized national language, though it will not likely supplant the role of Standard High German and French in public life.
--Janko (talk) 07:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right that it's a variety of Moselle Franconian and not a synonym. Though that specific Luxembourgish variety is spoken around Diedennuewen (=Thionville in French) and in Belgium, and is refered as such by cultural associations trying to save what's left of it. The map in the article is quite helpfull. Correjon (talk) 14:15, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is that when the Grand-Duchy was still only a Duchy, it was more grand; and both Thionville with some other regions and the Belgian Province of Luxembourg, which has its name for a reason, were part of it.--93.133.239.246 (talk) 00:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luxembourgish is NOT synonymous with Moselle Franconian 

message: I wish more language/dialect articles were this good. 155.213.224.59 (talk) 12:40, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excellent 

message: How can 'cassé' ('broken') possibly be French for '(you've been) owned'? More to the point, what is '(you've been) owned' supposed to mean? I'm a native English speaker, and I've no idea.213.127.210.95 (talk) 15:24, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it means what Sheldon means when he says Bazinga.--2001:A61:260D:6E01:4506:68F3:AE30:F562 (talk) 19:12, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cassé 

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