Talk:Poverty/Archive 1

message: ===Improvement Drive: Jan 2007===
The article Grameen Bank is currently nominated to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. If you want to support the article, you can vote for it there.--Fenice 06:28, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just added it again... Please vote. futurebird 20:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you, I hope we'll keep this section in good shape.futurebird 20:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Things to do?

message: The article Grameen Bank is currently nominated to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. If you want to support the article, you can vote for it there.--Fenice 06:28, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just added it again... Please vote. futurebird 20:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement Drive: Jan 2007

message: I've removed most of the external links, as Wikipedia is not a links directory (see also external links guidelines). I've created a new section in the "see also" section to link to articles on Wikipedia about specific organisations. This means that only organisations that are notable enough to have an article of their own on Wikipedia are linked to. The links I have left are to the dmoz directory, another portal/directory that seemed to have information from a variety of sources. Please discuss here before adding any new links, or they could get removed. Thanks, Petros471 14:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I hope we'll keep this section in good shape.futurebird 20:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links cleanup

message: There is no mention of the poverty cycle playing a part in ... poverty. Or even formally stated, a "sociological" cause in causing poverty. Poverty breeds poverty in a quid pro quo economy. I just happened to request an elaboration be put here because the article on Anarcho-Communism needs it as it discusses the subject as a solution to solve poverty (because it links to a non-existent article named the poverty cycle). Now, if it was included in this article, I could simply change it, rather than having to create a totally new article. -- Natalinasmpf 20:46, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  poverty cycle? 

message: Should Live Aid II (http://live8live.com/) be mentioned?
:No. futurebird 19:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live Aid II 

message: The above is way too long but there is a Nelson Mandela quote about poverty being unnecessary... anyone agree Mandela is important enough to get included in this article?--BozMotalk 07:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annan quote 

message: ::http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=79072
::Parents sacrificing sons to be prosperous
::Press Trust of India
::Posted online: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 at 1643 hours IST
::Baripada (Orissa), January 3: Lured by promises of prosperity, a couple has allegedly sacrificed their two sons in Orissa's northern district of Mayurbahanj Padmalochan Gan and his wife Tuni had been advised by a 'tantric' to sacrifice their sons Harish (9) and Dipu (7) and hold a puja to set themselves on the path to prosperity, police said on Wednesday. 
::The couple sacrificed their sons at their home at Tilapada village, about 55 km from here, after observing some rituals in the presence of the tantrik, identified as Jagannath Tudu, police said. 
::Though the incident had occurred about a week ago it came to light only this morning, when the foul smell emanating from the decomposed bodies alerted the local people. 
::They found the bodies of the two boys and informed the police, which have arrested the couple. 
::The tantrik is absconding. 
::The couple also has a two-month-old daughter, who had been spared, police said.
:::vkvora 04:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Indian Poors [[sacrifice]] their children for Prosperity.

message: *http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=72099
::::vkvora 14:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: India has been judged as the sixth most dangerous country for kids

message: ::The high level of corruption found in government offices in India, including the police and judicial services largely affects the poor, director of the Tamil Nadu state judicial academy S Vimala said on Tuesday 7th November, 2006. vkvora 15:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poverty in India 

message: There are many Hungry poors in Indian subcontinent than African subcontinent and India is on top.  Border of Pakistan and India (near Punjab, Rajasthan, Kutch) is waste land but Indus Sindhu river pass through this land. Land is plain in surface and can be converted in green belt. Reader of Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia are requested to find out some solution to eradicate the poverty in Indian subcontinent. vkvora 03:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Poverty]] and [[Hunger]]

message: basically my views on poverty are simple...what is america doing about it? they are spending loads of money on those troops in Iraq, when they could be spending all that money to the people in Africa because the poverty over there is shocking! other countries are doing their bit, i live in New Zealand and we are always trying to get more money for the people in Africa, WHAT IS WRONG WITH GEORGE BUSH!????
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America donates, however economically and politically there isn’t an easy answer.  Throwing money at Africa may alleviate some problems and make us feel better, but it won’t solve the problems.  Warlords and the like can simply steal much of the money, but even if it all gets to Africa, it won’t do as much as people think.  The amount of money that Live 8/Live Aid raised for example, is like putting a band-aid on a broken dam to fix it.
:To the person with views on poverty that "are simple..." and "what America is doing about it", your opinion is poor and you obviously have a simple-minded anti-American view? Why target America? America certainly gives much more than others. In 2004, America provided 35% of the worldwide relief aid! Why is it always America? 80% of Americans belong to a voluntary association, $240 billion was donated in 2003 by American individuals and "EVIL CORPORATIONS" to charitable causes, and 75% of households in the US report charitable contributions. Privately, Americans give at least $34 billion to foreign countries overseas. 73% of Americans make charitable contributions in 2004 compared to 44% in Germany, and 43% in France. Average sum of donation for 2004 was $851 per American, $96 per French, $120 per German. In 2004, 49% volunteed in some program, compared to 13% Germany and 19% France. American paid 17% of contributions out of 184 countries that form the World Bank for assistance to debt relief for developing countries in 2004. American held 17.5% of the total 184 contributions for financing general support through the IMF. The US annulled $14 billion in foreign debt from the 80's to 1995. $200 million given to Tsunami aid... America has rid the world of Nazism, assisted Europe in two world wars, kept the communists from entering Europe, and as usual, America gets accused of "not giving enough". America's contributions to other countries do not even compare! Furthermore, there have been trillions and trillions of dollars given to Africa already with little change. Your "simple solution" is too simple to understand the nature of those economies. Throwing money does nothing. It feeds people for one day, and they will still have nothing to eat the next. Your "solution" is like a childish plan to simply have the rich nations give money to the poor nations and all will be okay. It doesn't work that way. Besides, if America's wealth was not to exist, the aid that has already been given to African nations would have not been given. America's wealth is a good thing because it means that America has money to give. And it does! Other countries have perverted their own economies with socialism and communism and have no money to help themselves? Is that better? No! Because America has pursued its own wealth and created a powerful economy, it can now give more than other countries (which it does). Now, if other countries have not pursued their communistic/socialist economies, they might have had more to give. Why don't you concentrate your frustration on actual problem countries like countries which do not allow women to work or drive cars, or countries which shoot you in the head if you don't support the leader. Why is it always America? And furthermore, in the long run, Iraq will be a democratic/capitalistic society... economically better off than it was during Saddam's rule. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Futurebird (talk • contribs) 20:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What is the USA doing?

message: This section is one leftist idea after another, presented without balance, and without reference material. It desperately needs clean up, and de-pov'ing, please. Dullfig 03:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other approaches

message: Isn't it a bit biased to say the right attributes poverty to lazy people? Any proof?
:Because it's listed as one of three possible views a right-winger might have, I don't think it's necessarily POV.  But the wording could be seen as inflamatory, so an alternate wording might be preferable if one can be found.  Or perhaps some clarification that even those who see poverty as sometimes being caused by laziness acknowledge that there are other causes as well. --Icarus 05:42, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to think this whole article reads very, very right-wing. Ken 23:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. Birth control is a left wing idea. No one on the right advocates birth control. And the section needs cleanup, because the right views poverty first and foremost as a result of structural problems, lack of freedom, lack of economic growth. Personal choices are never the primary reason given. Dullfig 17:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right Wing Views? 

message: Has no source and is more of an effect than a cause. I will remove it if there are not objections.futurebird 14:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ultramarine added a great source for this, so it's not a problem anymore. (I did not know that!) futurebird 16:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: mental stunting????