Talk:Education in ancient Rome

message: This article is very informative--great job with providing such a large amount of details.  I have a few suggestions, which two of them are for purely organizational purposes: I think it would be nice to add internal links of certain words to other Wikipedia articles (using double brackets on each side).  That way, people who do not know say, what "gravitas" means, they can click on the link and find out about it.  Another idea is to collapse the long list of references into a shorter collection by including references from the same source into one line (ex. use page numbers for a book).  And lastly, you mentioned the need for education for Roman politicians/philosophers, but do we have information about other career paths of educated students?  Was it necessary, like today, to acquire higher education to obtain a "better" occupation?  Overall...good article! Cfrontz 19:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: I think I can maybe add a little flesh to the bare bones of the Wikipedia page, one or two snippets of information on what it was like to be a recipient of Roman schooling, all taken from Everyday Life for the Roman Schoolboy by Keith Hopkins, a superb essay on the subject in History Today, volume 43, number 10, published in October 1993.
Schooling began early in the day, usually at dawn.  Primary schools were attended by both sexes, and some of the higher grammar schools were also mixed.  Children from prosperous families were accompanied by a slave attendant or tutor, and perhaps also a younger slave to carry books and writing materials.  
At school if the pupil worked well he was kissed by the master (gross, I know, but true!).  If not he was flogged.  Corporal punishment was a regular part of the school day.  Some educational theorists were advanced enough to suggest that it was important to take account of mixed abilities; not so Quintilian, who argued that children were spoiled by kindness-"We ruin our children's character...by petting and soft upbringing."  One father in Roman Egypt shared this view, writing to his son's teacher, "Beat him, because ever since he left his father he has had no other beatings and he likes getting a few; his back has got accustomed to them and needs its daily dose."  This view was also shared by the great Augustine of Hippo, though in the Confessions he recalls his own school days with horror.  In the end, the severe but just father becomes the severe but just God.
Much of the education given consisted of cramming young heads with Greek.  Some educationalists maintained that those in the social elite should begin life with Greek nurses, though others countered by saying that this would ruin their Latin accents.  Once the basics had been mastered, and the pupils could read and write Latin and Greek, they moved steadily up the educational ladder, reaching the rarified heights of subjects like rhetoric, where they would often be presented with problems like the following: The law ordains that in a case of rape, the woman may demand either the death of her assailant or marriage without a dowry.  A man raped two women in one night.  One woman demands his death; the other marriage.  Discuss.  Yes, this is a real example!
Some were inclined to poke fun at this kind of pedagogy, including Petronius, who wrote "Young men are made into fools at school; people fed this stuff can no more be sensible than kitchen workers can smell rice."  But this view was far from typical, and educational relevance was not an issue of any great importance for most Romans.  Even medicine had a largely unapplied and philosophical basis.  The chief purpose of education was to distinguish between those who had mastered complex literary forms and those who had not.  And finally, here is a list of questions and answers from a Roman school text which summed up a limited and rather gloomy view of life;
*What is a Man?  A short lived ghost.
*What are Riches?  Everyday power.
*What are Words?  Blindness.
*What is Authority?  Poverty.
*What is Wealth? A ridiculous page.
*What is Woman?  A daily Drudge.
*What is Law?  Necessity.
*What is Holiday?  Work.
*What is Death?  Freedom.
*What is Lonlieness?  Kingship.  Clio the Muse 23:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copied from [[WP:RD/H]] 

message: In view of the sad state of this article, I've decided to be bold and restore it to the version edited by User:Ssidney15 at 19:55, 29 November 2007.  I could find no reason in the history why the article was drastically cut shortly after that time.
If there are problems, at least this gives us a better basis for further revisions.  --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 03:37, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoring earlier version 

message: I have some problems with the lead sentence of this article. Who is the "we" here? Maybe "Western civilisation" should be more appropriate. + Is there any source who confirms this fact? Should it even be here?--Narayan (talk) 09:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, that mysterious "we" that keeps popping up in Wikipedia articles, some secret cabal who decide what knowledge it. Let's try to fix this. Cynwolfe (talk) 18:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education as we know it today has deep roots in the late Roman Republic and Roman Empire 

message: I would propose creating them.  Comments?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by InformationvsInjustice (talk • contribs) 22:33, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subsections for the Kingdom and Republican era 

message: Near  the top of the page we have the quote
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Is this correct?  It's cited to a dictionary  of all things, even if a well-respected one .... I'm just wondering if something somewhere was misunderstood.  The only sense I can make of this is that they were training students for apprenticeships, but even then, the school probably did not handle money, and mentioning it here will only     throw readers off the track.   —Soap— 22:25, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  paying students