Talk:Janelle Monáe

message: Given that Monáe has come out as nonbinary, we should probably reexamine some of the categories Monáe's listed in here (several women ones for instance). I don't know whether Monáe would not like being called a woman, or the etiquette here however. What is the Wiki policy on this?Mcc1789 (talk) 15:50, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. I think we might need some new categories. The discussion on Talk:ND Stevenson#Categories which may be outdated or misgendering may be instructive here. Perhaps :Category:Non-binary actors, :Category:American non-binary actors, and :Category:Non-binary musicians along with any others in :Category:Non-binary people by occupation may be useful for Monáe. Historyday01 (talk) 16:08, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories which may be outdated or misgendering 

message: article needs section on this
see NY TIMES of May 5, 2022 2603:7000:8002:5FF8:E897:FFE8:1CC2:F7EB (talk) 11:59, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean, sure, since she has her own book, The Memory Librarian now, and there is various mentions of her on the Afrofuturism page. While today's NY Times article is behind a paywall, there is a review of the book back in April too. Historyday01 (talk) 12:50, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  her SF writing 

message: The first line describes them as an "actress", a term with implicit gender. Might it be better to change to "actor", which is a more neutral term?
It's not fully neutral, but it's at least more common to use "actors" than "actresses" for mixed groups so seems reasonable to use it for the singular Delta901 (talk) 03:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I'd say that either "Actor" or "performer", or something similar which isn't gendered, would be good. Historyday01 (talk) 03:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

text: I'm OK with using the term "actor" but which WP guideline allows it? Does she call herself an actor or actress? For example, see Whoopi Goldberg#Personal life. Goldberg call herself an actor, so the article uses that term in the lead section.  is it based on Goldberg's preference or a WP guideline? --Mann Mann (talk) 03:26, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gendered terms 

message: One would think this would be obvious, but apparently there's "consensus" needed to move misgendering categories to those which fit a person's gender identity (oh, BOLD is dead, apparently). User:Mcc1789 brought this up two years ago and then... nothing happened. While there's a (separate) argument to be made about WP:OC with the sheer number of categories the article has, it'd seem wholly uncontroversial to have done what I did, which was change either the categories to the correct non-binary equivalent or to move them up to their respective non-gendered parent categories, but here we are. I know AGF, but this level of scrutiny for what'd be an entirely uncontroversial change in, say, a trans actress's page shortly after she came out feels like non-binary erasure. 2803:4600:1116:1457:B493:8805:6F79:1311 (talk) 08:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, intentional or not it comes off that way. Ridiculous.Mcc1789 (talk) 12:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I can agree. I reversed the user who reverted this helpful change by the OP here and directed them to this discussion. I wholly expect my edit to be reversed, but if I can at least encourage them to participate here, that would be great. As to what the OP is saying, I think this talk page is better than some others in discussing categories that need to be changed... Historyday01 (talk) 19:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wow... You predict the future and someone's reaction? Do you know me?! Are you aware of my WP history and contributions?! You didn't see my edit summary, did you? And you obviously didn't see my reply on my talk page. You don't even remeber my username and our previous interactions (e.g. talk stuff). Not interested in discussing a topic when someone writes stuff like your above comment. Next time, when you revert edits, preview them. And I'm not the user(s) who edited and changed the categories. You better take a look at the revision history and ping users like . Good luck. --Mann Mann (talk) 02:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reminder: Categories shouldn't misgender