Talk:Waltham, Massachusetts

message: It seems there's a lot of interesting history having to do with the city's role in the Industrial Revolution, the history of the city's economy, etc. -- Beland 03:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: The birthplace of the Industrial Revolution was Beverly, MA, due to the first cotton mill in America (1787) being finished and under production there. See Beverly Cotton Manufactory Silivrenion (talk) 12:42, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The arguing accounts are actually part of history. The BCM didn't want to share their trade secrets, and angered Moses Brown of Providence. Enough of the workers from the BCM were bribed to work with Slater in Pawtucket that they were able to improve on the BCM's designs. Anyway, there's always been a historical argument about the first cotton mill. The conflicting information dates way back to the 1800's, however there's a sizable amount of evidence showing BCM was the first. "Birthplace" is kind of a vague thing that can't be pinned down, but if you look at the first automated industry in America, the BCM was, in all known history, the earliest to create and use automated machines to perform mechanical tasks. Silivrenion (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's really the point: "birthplace" is just too vague and subjective a term to use as an absolute descriptor in Wikipedia, and there doesn't seem to be a consensus that the birthplace of the American Industrial Revolution was Waltham or Beverly or Pawtucket or any other single town. Tim Pierce (talk) 18:46, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well Tim, that's why we say 'billed as' and add a reference to who by. It's unarguable that many people consider Waltham to be the birthplace, which is unarguably notable. I could debate the merit of the calim, but that misses the entire point. Just because you disagree with the claim doesn't mean it cant be mentioned, as a claim, with links to the page for the industrial revolution.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.115.65.29 (talk) 19:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think actually it is arguable. I don't think that you'll find a large number of scholars who agree that Waltham is the single and only birthplace of the American Industrial Revolution. I think you would find a strong consensus from historians that Waltham played a significant role, but also a strong consensus that no one city gets that label all by itself.  I could be wrong, of course, and you're welcome to find sources to prove me wrong, but they'll have to be better sources for American history than a Derbyshire lathe manufacturer. —Tim Pierce (talk) 20:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're missing the entire point- that some people make the claim. That is not arguable. The veracity of the claim itself might be arguable, but that fact that claim has been made isn't. If a line mentions that some historians or locals make the claim, then links to a page in which the claim is made, it should stay if it properly worded. It's notable that the claim is made. It's a simple concept. If Roger Ebert is on record calling a movie the best of a decade, it's notable that he made the claim. It shouldn't be deleted because you don't agree with it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.115.65.29 (talk) 22:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the principle of due weight compels us to take the relative merits of differing opinions into account.  —Tim Pierce (talk) 02:19, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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message: Hi All,
Would be great if some experts were willing to start building out a section for this page on pre-European settlement history in what is now the Waltham-region. From what little I know, at least four Native American communities are known to have been in the region. In general, the pre-official municipal founding date history seems missing--is this not the right page for such information?
Ggrattan (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American/Indigenous people's history in Waltham area? 

message: The table of top employers in Waltham, while faithfully reproducing that in the cited source, seems to me highly suspect.  At a very minimum, it is only counting city residents, or people actually employed in the city, by the employers listed.  Otherwise PerkinElmer and Thermo Scientific should certainly be on that list, I think?!?  They are large companies with their HQs in Waltham.Robert Rossi (talk) 15:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top employers