Talk:Upskirt

message: In those situations I don't think "upskirt" is appropropriate because the photo is not taken up the skirt as specified in the lede but horizontally or even somewhat downwards from horizontal. Qemist (talk) 05:18, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well almost 10 years later but I'll tell you an anecdote, when I was a student in Venezuela, seeing girls' panties when they were careless without taking photos was called "Buceo" which literally means Diving. I did it as revenge because I had 3 girls classmates who were bullies and I suffered from Pantsing, done by the 3 girls and 3 boys the day before for physical education uniform. I think that the Ministry of Education took measures a few years later against "Skirt Diving", because now the girls will wear the same daily uniform with the boys, that is, a polo shirt and navy blue pants in mixed schools. But I can't confirm the latter. Legarad (talk) 04:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  getting out of a car or just sitting on a park bench? 

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message: I've removed the Going commando see also again. Whether the person is wearing underwear of not has nothing to do with the subject of this article, any more than any of the other specific bits of lingerie that might be exposed (Panties, Pantyhose, Stockings, Thong (clothing), etc.) Meters (talk) 06:59, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to remove the Wardrobe malfunction see also again too. Upskirt is generally not a wardrobe malfunction as much as a voyeuristic attack. As I said in a  summary somewhere (don't know if it was this article) "sticking a camera up someone's skirt is not a wardrobe malfunction". Meters (talk) 07:17, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going commando, Wardrobe malfunction 

message: While the image copyright might be OK - I guess it is. Is the subject happy with the use of the photo in this way? She is clearly identified and yet no one seems to have asked her views?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.23.158 (talk) 18:10, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are asking about :File:Marcia_Imperator_legs.jpg, it's a relatively tame picture considering that Márcia Imperator was an "adult film" actress at the time. Wikipedia got it from  Flickr in 2008, where it was available under a compatible license. I'm sure that any adult film actress would have been all too happy to have her legs in a Wikipedia article. If she's changed her mind since then she's free to contact Wikipedia and make a case for removing it. Meters (talk) 18:32, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If the subject is 'happy with' the image, it isn't unauthorised, and therefore not an 'upskirt' image as defined in this article. Which makes it off-topic. 86.147.197.65 (talk) 21:43, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a proposal concerning the image then make it. The first IP raised the issue of whether the person in the photo was pleased to have her photo on Wikipedia, and I responded to that. We don't know if it was taken with her knowledge or approval, or if she approved of it being on Wikipedia. We do have the right to use the photo, and I surmise that, given her profession, she wouldn't have minded. As for the definition, while the lead may say "unauthorized" the body says that such pictures are sometimes the result of pictures taken "with the knowledge and lack of objection" of the subjects. Meters (talk) 23:10, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that it is debatable as to whether authorised images count as "upskirting", I think it would be in the best interests of Wikipedia to remove this image. It does seem rather unnecessary. --Bangalamania (talk) 22:26, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Best interests how?  Meters (talk) 22:41, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

text: I've restored the image. There's no consensus here to remove it,. In fact, there isn't even a proposal to remove it. Meters (talk) 22:43, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

text: *Keep the image. Obviously it's not exactly an upskirt image if it's authorised, in the everyday meaning of the word. Meters is right insofar as authorisation is concerned. I think you're being overly difficult to request its removal. Matt 190417 (talk) 05:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

text: If, of course, the object has given her consent, then the matter is settled. The image stays and it is a fully legitimate demonstration of what an "upskirt" is. The argument about the image not being truly an upskirt shot since it was taken with the object's consent is of course a load of half-clever old cobblers. Wikipedia routinely, and rightfully, features set up, demonstrative images. The user is supposed to learn what is, for example, a stabbing; not see an actual one. So, we have the image of a stabbing, where of course, ceci n'est pas une pipe. -The Gnome (talk) 04:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong agree on all matters raised by The Gnome, particularly in regards to the suggestion earlier in the thread that it is somehow OK to share unauthorised, sexual imagery of someone without their consent based upon which line of work they choose. It seems we never had an answer as to whether the model agreed to this image or not, but like The Gnome, I feel as though the image is simply not needed for the same reasons mentioned above.  Curt 内蒙 22:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  image is she OK with it? 

message: I wanted to ask people's opinion about the grammar of the word "upskirt". It is, of course, an adjective, as in the expression "upskirt photo" which appears many times in the article. It is also a verb, so one person can "upskirt" another. And there's a note in the markup of the first paragraph:
This doesn't seem too surprising. It allows someone to take an "upskirt", and makes "upskirt" almost a synonym for "upskirt image". My query is that this uses "upskirt" as a common noun, whereas the definition ("Upskirt is the practice of making...") uses it as an abstract noun. This definition isn't followed in the rest if the article, where the abstract noun used is "upskirting". An analogy would be with photography – a photograph is an image (common noun), but you can't say "Photograph is the practice of making..." – that's photography (abstract noun). Surely we should say "Upskirting is the practice of making..."? I'd like to propose that for the definition in the first sentence.
Also, can we take out the line: "The term is also sometimes used to refer generically to any voyeur photography – that is, catching an image of somebody unaware in a private moment.". It's had a citation needed tag since February 2015. It's not a usage I've ever come across, and it would make, amongst other things, a downblouse into a type of upskirt. - Polly Tunnel (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Questionable claim unsourced three years... nuke it. If anyone wants it back in it is up to them to provide a reliable source to support it. Meters (talk) 17:31, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  as no objections received. - Polly Tunnel (talk) 17:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upskirting 

message: I propose that the section England and Wales (including the subsection Voyeurism (Offences) Act 2019) is split into a separate page called Voyeurism (Offences) Act 2019. It is conventional on WP for significant acts of the UK parliament to have their own articles, and this content appears rather large and unwieldily among the other comparatively short national sections here. Polly Tunnel (talk) 16:20, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting proposal 

message: Sie schreiben falsch! In Japan ist Upskirting niemals verboten! "Upskirting" verboten dort nur an gefährlichen Verkehrsknotenpunkten, wie Bushaltestelle, Bahnhaltestelle, Rolltreppen, Straßen-Fußgängerübergang usw. Das sind Gefahrenzonen. Aber nicht in Gefahrenzonen darf man unter die Rock fotografieren! --88.76.64.180 (talk) 14:31, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upskirting in Japan is not prohibited! 

message: The article defines “Upskirting” aka “upskirt photography” as the practice of taking non-consensual photographs under a persons skirt or kilt but not all upskirt photos are non-consensual. For example, there is a niche genre of porn that involves staged consensual upskirt photos or videos. They are still typically called upskirt photos/videos despite being consensual. The same applies to exhibitionist woman who allow a man to take upskirt photos/videos up their dress/skirt for later personal enjoyment/viewing. They may also take selfie upskirt photos/videos to send to their partner as a part of sexting. Thus, we should really changed the lead sentence to acknowledged that not all upskirt photos are non-consensual, even if some porn upskirt pics/vids are falsely portrayed as such for marketing purposes (much like fake amateur porn  or fake incest porn may be). We should also expand the part about porn websites featuring upskirt pics/vids to mention that some of these are really staged photos/videos and thus not true non-consensual upskirt photos, even if the site misleads people into thinking otherwise (with maybe only a tiny disclaimer at the bottom of the page or elsewhere on the site clarifying otherwise). - Notcharliechaplin (talk) 03:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "there is a niche genre of porn that involves staged consensual upskirt photos or videos" I have seen a couple of videos in this style, but I have noticed many painted images of upskirts in various sites covering fan art. Dimadick (talk) 10:55, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not all “Upskirt photography” is non-consensual.   

message: now banned in Ireland but called downblousing 91.154.169.156 (talk) 22:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorrect - upskirting (which is the act of taking upskirt photos "without [...] consent with intention of obtaining sexual gratification, or to cause humiliation, distress or alarm") is now a crime in Northern Ireland, in addition to downblousing: https://www.psni.police.uk/safety-and-support/advice-and-information/upskirting-and-downblousing One cookie (talk) 23:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland 

message: Can we not have a non-consensual shocking picture in the lede y'all? 2603:6081:24F0:AD80:D4B1:763E:EBEC:D5B1 (talk) 00:45, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic in lede