Talk:Usman Khawaja

message: I'm getting and a little bit sick of hearing about Usman being the "first Muslim...", "the first Pakistani-born" and now "only the seventh foreign born cricketer...", and I'm wondering how sure we are of all this, and how appropriate it all is. The source is one article from The Daily Telegraph, not always the world's best source. The article is full of biases we would never allow here - "blue blood Afrikaner" about Kepler Wessels, and "wristy flicks and flourishes that tend to be bestowed on those with DNA from the subcontinent" about Khawaja. 
Who has really checked that no-one before Khawaja was Muslim? Remember that first class cricket has been played here since the 1800s. Can anyone list the religion of every player? And as for where everyone was born, well.....
Again, no player in the team is described as Christian, or Atheist, or Methodist, upon his selection. Too much concentration on a matter irrelevant to the reason he has an article, coupled with a real danger of POV being on display. HiLo48 (talk) 22:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Daily Telegraph (UK) is normally a reliable broadsheet source. I suspect the author got the fact from somewhere else, so that "somewhere else" is worth looking for. On the Muslim issue, the source says "is believed to be the first Australian Muslim to play interstate cricket" which supports your call for caution. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, I was mistaken. When I saw Daily Telegraph I assumed it was a Sydney paper of the same name but somewhat lesser reputation. I still want to be more certain about the Muslim thing. For example, there's a famous train in central Australian called The Ghan, named after Afghan camel drivers who came here in the 1800s to help open up the dry centre. They were Muslim. Many of their descendants still live here. Some probably played cricket. Most Australian kids do. Interstate cricket? I don't know. I doubt if our journalist or his source does either. HiLo48 (talk) 23:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I agree the Herald article is nowhere near a solid enough source for the claim. How about replacing that whole sentence with "Khawaja made his first class debut for New South Wales in February 2008." We could qualify the "first Muslim" claim with "understood to be…" or something like that, but I don't see the need. The sources are a lot more confident that he was the first Muslim Australian Test player which, curiously, the article doesn't mention.--Mkativerata (talk) 00:04, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Given that we're all largely in agreement, I've made this edit to implement what we've discussed. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counting the Muslims and foreigners 

message: I removed a sentence about Khawaja's sponsorships here. Just posting here to explain in case anyone objects. First, the sentence wasn't supported by the cited source. Nor could I find any other source supporting it. Second, I'm not sure of the value of this information to the article. I would have thought that an athlete's sponsorship deals are only worth mentioning if there is something unusal about them or they affected the athlete's career in some way.--Mkativerata (talk) 00:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sponsorship

message: Based on the latest statements by Usmaan about the racial discrimination he faced for being a Pakistani born, I wanted to add on page, it’s a verified information and must be added, I am open for discussion with anyone who thinks otherwise but Don’t delete stuff Itisanimesh (talk) 15:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial discrimination 

message: I am unsure why we are including this individual's birthplace, prior nationality, or ethnicity in the lead, and specifically too in the first sentence. Per MOS:Ethnicity, "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." Even if we felt this individual's religion or ethnicity were relevant to his notability, is it really relevant enough to be part of the very first sentence? That seems a bit odd and inappropriate. Apoorva Iyer (talk) 10:11, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace, Prior Nationality, and Ethnicity in Lead