Talk:Piri piri

message: NB: for reference and continuity, older discussion appearing at the talk page of the former title of this article, African birdseye, copied below.--cjllw ʘ TALK 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Older discussion copied from [[Talk:African birdseye]]

message: Did Nando's really popularise peri-peri, or was it already popular? I hadn't heard of Nando's until a few months ago but I'd heard of peri-peri long before. Marketing text, or is it actually the case that Nando's introduced and popularised peri-peri in some places? Nach0king 18:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nando's

message: In this article, African birdseye is equal with piri-piri in Portuguese. However, in the taxonomy article of Capsicum, African birdseye belongs to the Capsicum frutescens species, while piri-piri belongs to Capsicum Pendulum species. Which one is the correct one? — Indon (reply) — 22:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  African birdseye & piri-piri 

message: Is this the same thing?  If so, should we merge?  Dwiki 02:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Chilli padi]]

message: Something I read in Nando's stores implies the "peri-peri" originates from the east coast of Africa. Yet chili peppers aren't native to Africa - the  chili pepper article says "Chili peppers and their various cultivars originate in the Americas." 
I assume the Portuguese must have carried the pili pili to Africa from Brazil? --Chriswaterguy talk 05:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems some peppers are indigenous to Africa and others to the Americas. I am not sure about pili pili but Aframomum melegueta is West AfricanMuntuwandi 05:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article [] says that the original pepper was Aframomum melegueta known as Melegueta or Piri-Piri (Swahili for Pepper Pepper) commonly used in Portugal as a spice - when the Portuguese got to Mexico they found  Capsicum Frutescens and named it Melegueta or Piri-Piri as well and brought it back to Portugal and this is what is used in Piri-Piri sauce today .. to add to the confusion the main cultivar used is Capsicum Frutescens "African birdseye"  even though it is a native of South America ... lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ  12:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  African or South American? 

message: * Support, reason given in the request--Lionelbrits 16:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: I have fixed the cut and paste move made here back in Dec 06, when Pili pili was created as a cut'n'paste from African birdseye, which had a non-trivial edit history. The edit histories of these two pages are now merged at Pili pili ().
Please note, cut'n'paste moves are generally undesirable since the edit history (a record needed to fulfill some GFDL licensing conditions) becomes lost and disassociated from the article.
It should now be possible (for an admin, at least) to simply move this article to whatever target is determined in the 'Requested move' discussion above, or even to move it back to the original at African birdseye, without losing the overall edit history. Cheers, --cjllw ʘ TALK 14:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut and paste move from [[African birdseye]] to [[Pili pili]] repaired 

message: Why isn't this just named "african birdseye"
SNN2 (talk) 05:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  um 

message: There are very few articles in Wikipedia as bad as this one. It is severely flawed.
How can we have an article about a plant that is grown in half the known world, but describe it only as far as it applies to Mozambique and its Portuguese and Portuguese-India influence? The author demonstrates that he knows nothing about chillies, Portugal, Mozambique and Angola (it is NOT called piri-piri in Angola and only sometimes and recently does it get referred to as piri-piri in Portugal).
Piri-piri is not a cultivar, not even a species - it is a generic term for a preparation of hot chillies. 
Then a paragraph on malagueta and Brazil is just idiotic, when in Brazil there are numerous types of chillies (and with different names) that would correspond to what the author here is trying to describe as piri-piri.
The part about Nando's is simply preposterous! I live in South Africa, my home language is Portuguese, I was born in Angola, I watch mostly Brazilian television at home. 
There is nothing in this article to justify it that cannot be covered in the article on chillies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rui Gabriel Correia (talk • contribs) 22:22, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article should be deleted  

message: Any reliable sources about the very strong fruity (mango, pineapple) aroma of this chili pepper? Bright☀ 19:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fruity aroma 

message: I'm skeptical of the unsourced claim that this cultivar was originally developed "in Mozambique by Portuguese explorers".  Developing a cultivar is a long, slow process taking many growing seasons (years)—a process that is incompatible with being an explorer.
Perhaps the writer meant "Portuguese settlers", but even that is not supported by any citation.  How do we know that those who developed this cultivar were even Portuguese?  Perhaps the Portuguese brought chili peppers to Mozambique and the locals eventually developed this variety, or perhaps it naturally developed through cross-pollination of two pepper varieties that were separately brought into the region.
There are many possible ways peri peri could have originated, and all we seem to have here is speculation stated as fact.  I added a "citation needed" note.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScribeMonk (talk • contribs) 18:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A cultivar developed by explorers? 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Peri-peri (Portuguese source). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 14#Peri-peri (Portuguese source) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Sahaib3005 (talk) 22:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Peri-peri (Portuguese source)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Peri-peri →  – "Piri piri" was the title before an undiscussed move to the present title and seems marginally more popular (Nando's notwithstanding) according to Google Ngrams (though there are many false positives in earlier years).  —  AjaxSmack  02:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 March 2024