Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts/archive 1

message: In current article: "Wushu (chinese characters go here) rather than wu shu, meaning any Chinese martial art (?); use competition wushu when being specific."
What are you referring to when you say "competition wushu"? Do you mean when using wushu as a name for the modern styles of Chinese martial arts aimed at competition? Information about these modern styles are currently in the article about wushu, but uses the terms contemporary- and modern wushu.
- Wintran 11:57, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: I've joined the project and already started using the Template:martialartsproject on a couple pages. You can see them (and everything included in the project) on the template's What links here page. That makes a handy list of pages in the project.
Can we clean up that page by having these redirects deleted? I checked and nothing links to them, so no links would die without them.
* Template:Martial arts project (redirect page)
* MediaWiki:Martial arts project (redirect page)
* MediaWiki:Martialartsproject (redirect page)
Aesopian 14:52, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of pages in the Martial Arts Project 

message: What's the etiquette for when I can add the  to a Talk page? I have only been adding it after I've made significant contributions to the article, which I think is fine, but there are plenty of pages I come across that I think would benefit from being in the project that I do not add because I haven't had any hand in creating them.
Aesopian 17:43, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  When is it OK to add MAP template? 

message: Any ideas how to improve :Category:Martial arts and its subcategories?
jni 08:39, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I created :Category:Bujinkan and :Category:Japanese swordsmen, but how to structure the whole category graph relating to MAs? jni 14:15, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: On second though, Japanese swordsmen falls under Japanese people and under the project to categorize people (is there any?), so I wouldn't worry about it in context of this project. jni 09:42, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Or under :Category:Martial_arts_practitioners although the relevance of listing old military heroes among moderna martial artists strikes me as questionable. I find this one more relevant than we others we are discussing though; if you are interested in Japanese swordsmen I guess this is a convenient way to find them while the items listed in the others can simply be foound under the category name word. Habj 11:59, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: I think both are more useful than :Category:Goju Ryu and :Category:Wado Ryu, which are both cases of overcategorization, or is someone going to add a large number of articles into them? Do we really need an article per kata and category per style for karate related material? jni 09:42, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That definately seems like overcategorisation to me... but Bujinkan is in the same class. Really, all it refers is the budo of Hatsumi sensei plus those who left his to create their own organisation! Maybe it seems more justified, simply because more articles are created under it but almost all of those terms can be found as links in the page Bujinkan. Why not just make sure all the terms are mentioned and linked on that page, then delete the category? Is there a policy somewhere for categories? I think I saw a page about votes for deletion of categories.  Habj 11:31, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't object if the category gets deleted *after* Bujinkan specific content has been located in Wikipedia and labeled as such. I don't care much about editing the articles in question myself, just grouping those "out-of-my-way" so to speak. If you don't like categories, how about subdividing List of martial arts-related topics (which is currently a mess!) to "List of Bujinkan related topics" etc... I will continue adding to [:Category:Bujinkan] at least until a better classification system gets developed, because I believe there still is orphaned ninjutsu stuff laying around. jni 13:00, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to categorize martial arts? 

message: Does it need have the main category as well?  For example, tae kwon do has the sub category "korean martial arts".  does it need "martial arts" category too?  It's kind of redundant. --Dangerous-Boy
:It is redundant, and the main category should then generally be removed. /Habj 08:25, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  if the article is already categorized as a subcategory? 

message: This kind of division according to land of origin only makes sense for traditional martial arts. Japanese martial arts is already redirected to budo, which makes sense. Japanese non-budo-arts - such as shooto don't need to be crammed in together with the budo arts. Chinese martial arts is kind of an unnecessary article too, since kung fu is used about it all. We should realise that MMA (Mixed martial arts/Modern martial arts) probably should be regarded a family too, plus that there are many arts that can not be easily be put into a family. /Habj 08:32, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family pages 

message: I'd like to take up again the discussion at "List of martial arts":
The list is verry long. How about 
1. Breaking down the list into seperate articles 
:Eg. Chinese martial arts, Japanese martial arts, Vietnamese martial arts, ... 
:The list itself will remain to carry 
:a) The links to the articles "Xxxx martial arts" articles (to the "sub-lists") 
:b) All remaining martial arts that have not yet been moved to an own article 
:Not the best idea but it should do (?) 
2. Every new article will contain ... 
:2.1 Text explaining The commons, the differences, the history, ... 
:2.2 The list of all the martial arts 
:What will we then do with the Subcategories for Chinese martial arts, Japanese martial arts, ... ? 
Currently I am writing an article about the history of vietnamese martial arts. Perhaps I'd just start an example:  "Vietnamese martial arts" ... Hostory ... Commons ... List of  ... .
Also I vote for leaving martial arts names with no article behind them.  
Reason: It can be useful to see that there are several martial arts in that region/country and how they are named. 
If there is no article in Wikipedia one can at least google for that name.  
And maybe someone will find "his" or "her" martial art in that list and contribute the article.
Pse post your opinions.
- - Thomas 21:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Some areas such as Chinese martial arts currently have two pages, a main article (Chinese martial arts) for overview and history, and a list (List of Chinese martial arts) for a list of the systems. Shawnc 10:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breaking down "List of martial arts" 

message: For those interested in participating, there's a discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Uke and Seme pages on how to split the martial arts terms from the sexual connotations.--Mitsukai 18:37, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Uke]] and [[Seme]] pages

message: Hey all, I made a proto-userbox for a Green Stripe in Taekwondo(such as myself) at "Image:Greenstripe2.jpg". Eventually there may be a category on it, but the user box still needs some work in my opinion, and I was wondering if any of you had any ideas. Karmafist 23:53, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proto-Userbox

message: On the main page of this project titled:  Martial Arts, the section on self defense is completly bias and has no factual basis.  I looked on the article's talk page and saw that another guy mentioned it.  Why don't you guys take a look and see if you think it should be deleted.  Tobyk777 05:46, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: the section has been edited. Shawnc 07:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias Section on Main Martial arts page

message: A new category for those interested in martial arts has been created at Category:Wikipedians_interested_in_martial_arts. To add yourself, simply copy the following code to the bottom of your user page:
:
Shawnc 11:29, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Marial arts category for Wikipedians

message: Who's doing all this categorization? --Dangerous-Boy 10:06, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I did most of the recent ones (See here).  Some category names such as :Category:Chinese wushu practitioners are a bit misleading.  I wrote some notes on the category's own page but a less ambiguous usage would be something like "Wushu practitioners from China". On the other hand, a category name like :Category:American judoka is more concise than :Category:Judoka from United States.  Is this ok, or should we change to the less ambiguous usage, or maybe a mixed usage? Shawnc 02:43, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Also, there may be an issue with :Category:Martial arts by region. See :Category talk:Martial arts. Shawnc 08:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  wow!