Talk:Westside (Los Angeles County)

message: I moved this text here from West Los Angeles because that name refers only to one neighborhood while the article was about the whole region (The Westside). View the history of that page for this text before I pasted it here. We decided to paste (rather than move) in order to keep the old page around with the topic of the more specific neighborhood. There may have been a better way to do it, I apologize if this messes anything up. See Talk:West Los Angeles. EmergentProperty 00:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved this text

message: I removed the sentence, "Indeed, far more "Hollywood" business is conducted on the Westside than in Hollywood itself." from the business section because it's not entirely true. It depends what kind of "Hollywood" business you're talking about. There's still a lot of editing, props, effects, and other ancillary industries in Hollywood. And don't forget Burbank. EmergentProperty 22:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Hollywood' business

message: According to the description at the top of the article, the cities of Hawthorne, Manhattan Beach, and Torrance should not belong. Unless someone can provide a good justification for their inclusion, I will delete them. BlankVerse ∅ 20:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's the South Bay.  User:Zoe|(talk) 22:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion? 

message: No kidding? bearstory 07:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "East of the Pacific Ocean" 

message: Should we add mention of this project to the transportation section?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.10.41.94 (talk) 23:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exposition Light Rail 

message: I am beginning a project to source all of this information and to remove that which cannot be verified. I removed the asserted "boundaries" of the Westside as unsourced, but I am retaining it here in case anybody wants to find sources and work it into the article. 
:West Los Angeles (also known as West L.A. or the Westside) is generally considered to be the portion of Los Angeles, California that lies east of the Pacific Ocean, west of La Cienega Boulevard (or, by some, Fairfax or even La Brea Avenue), south of the Santa Monica Mountains, and north of the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). (Compare to East Los Angeles or South Los Angeles.) It is bordered on the west by the Pacific Ocean, on the northwest by Ventura County and the Conejo Valley, on the north by the San Fernando Valley, on the east by Hollywood district and the Wilshire area, and on the south by South Los Angeles and South Bay.
Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a source, rewrote the above description (which could not be backed up), added the source, and somebody removed it (no reason given). So I put it back in a modified form. Yours sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not an Angeleno, so excuse me if I get some of this wrong, but isn't one problem with sourcing this article the fact that "westside" is not an official designation, but an informal one, used (for instance) by real estate agents and in everyday conversation, but not supported by any kind of governmental delineation?  The closest thing I can find to an official area which is close to "Westside" is County Supervisorial Area #3 (map), and even that encompasses much more to both the east and west than is meant by "westside" as defined here.Without an official designation of what "westside" is, I think it's going to be difficult to find support for the many claims made about it in the article, since every potential source is going to use a slightly different definition.  I hope I'm wrong, but that's how it looks to me after some amount of poking around. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 21:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for sources

message: This article has been renamed from West Los Angeles (region) to Westside (Los Angeles County) as the result of a move request.
 - Move.
It is confusing to have two articles titled "West Los Angeles," one for the city region and one for the general region including Santa Monica, Beverly Hills and Culver City, which are not part of L.A. at all.  The usual term for this district is "The Westside." A 'West Los Angeles" article should confine itself to the neighborhood council which has adopted that name. I am proposing to rename this article as The Westside (region of Los Angeles metropolitan area). Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The parenthical should serve as a disambiguator, not a descriptive.  "Region" doesn't disambiguate becuse other Westsides are also regions.  "Metropolitan area" doesn't disambiguate because there is only one Westside in the L.A. area.  The parenthetical only needs to set it apart from the other entries at Westside and Westside (Los Angeles) is sufficient.  —  AjaxSmack  20:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I was thinking Los Angeles/West. How about that? Agtax 00:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or Westside (Los Angeles County). Reginmund (talk) 04:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Westside (Los Angeles County) is grand.  —  AjaxSmack   16:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: I couldn't find any sources that say Malibu is part of the Westside. In fact, the Malibu Times seems to be fairly consistent that it is not. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Malibu in the Westside? 

message: I removed all the unsourced material as a compendium of hearsay, speculation, rumor and stereotype. This has been tagged for quite a while and nobody has stepped forth to verify any of these supposed facts. I sent messages to most of the editors who have worked on this article over the past year or two. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Tagged for quite a while"? - those tags are dated December 2007, I'd hardly call a couple of months "quite a while".  And speaking of that, your call for sources dates from about a week month or so ago (corrected - I was mistaken, the notice of the sourcing problem was posted on my talk page about a week ago) - I think it would be appropriate to give it a little more time before deleting a lot of material.It would be different if you suspected that the information is not true, as opposed to not supported by citation, which is not the same thing.  Is that the case?  If so, then I can understand your deleting material that you know to be false.  But this is not a courtroom where black is white if the judge or a stipulation says it is, we're allowed to use our common sense to decide which material is factual and which is not, regardless of the state of its sourcing.in the long run, yes, all factual material should be sourced, but the grim fact of the matter is that a significant percentage of the material on Wikipedia is not sourced.  That means it's more productive to work toward sourcing it then it is to delete it on sight simply because it's unsourced.I hope I'm being clear in what I'm saying. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 17:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I had to intent to be peremptory. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 17:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I've moved this discussion down to the bottom of the page, where it will be more easily seen by people. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 17:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Result of No Sources

message: Being a lifetime member of the Westside, I have to say, I was a little appalled to see the northern border as Sunset. The Northern border is definitely Wilshire, not sunset, because if it's sunset you're adding a huge chuck of north beverly hills, and quite a large amount of west hollywood territory, not to mention brentwood and the pallisades, which are the furthest thing from the Westside. Ask any West LA resident, and they would tell you that to include those ares as "Westside" is a joke.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.242.7 (talk) 23:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tell that to the IP user who edited those boundaries. Agtax 00:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let us be clear: The only paragraph that cites sources of areas to include within the Westside is the first one. The others have been added later, with no sources or with a poor one, I refer to http://travel.yahoo.com/p-map-191501884-map_of_los_angeles_ca-i, which simply gives a generic map of Los Angeles, with no boundaries marked. Thus I am removing the two paragraphs without sources. If anybody wants to add them back, kindly do so, but with good citations to good sources. Yours very sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect borders 

message: The section marked "Overview" is not needed because the lede is supposed to be an overview of the entire article. In addition, this section is faulty because it is mostly WP:Original research. Some of the particular problems are: (1) The MGM Holdings document is original research because it is a primary document. Not sure why all the addresses are given as part of the citation. Please explain. (2) You can't link to another WP article and consider that to be a citation ("World's Busiest Airports by Passenger Traffic"). (3) The news release by LAWA is self-serving and not a reliable source. (4) The information pinned to the LA Business Journal (King, Danny (September 1, 2003). "Projects move forward on Westwood's Golden Mile". Los Angeles Business Journal. p. 3.) could be valid, but please post the text on the Talk Page so we can verify it. See this diff. GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Overview' section

message: Substituted at 10:28, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: It's weird that all of these boundaries are based off of 2009 Los angeles times, when boundaries were defined well before that. I remember seeing maps back in the 90s describing westchester as part of the southbay area. I've moved away from la, but maybe someone can do some research at the local planning department to see where all these boundaries are really set at rather than where everyone "thinks" they should be because like it or not, boundaries are set by people who have political power and wealth and boundaries were set intentionally to segregate and control people and LA definitely has a history of geographical discrimination. I think maybe both can exist, like cultural boundaries vs political boundaries.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:12F0:5DF0:4594:987F:8C44:72EC (talk) 13:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical boundaries=