Talk:Sustainable transport

message: Hi. I think we should talk about this. Tell me when you have a moment. ericbritton 13:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry but I am not smart enough to figure this out. We really want to bring any seeking reader looking for "sustainable transport” or “sustainable transportation” to the same entry – since they are the same thing just two variants of English driving the term. In the WP today, the latter entry is far more complete. But how to do? Thanks. ericbritton 12:43, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This proposal is too old, almost nobody commented on it, so I am deleting the tag. I am a transportation specialists and this merging does not make any sense.--Mariordo (talk) 21:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just in case, the tag I deleted referred to a merge of Green transport with this article. In the modern use of the term sustainable transport refers to safe, clean and affordable transport, by the short definition used in the World Bank. Green transportation and green vehicles are terms coined by the environmental movement, and now used by the mainstream media and the public. The latter terms are related with the clean part of the sustainable transport definition, particularly to the mitigation of climate change by using clean energy sources and/or low-carbon fuels, though it also includes local pollution. --Mariordo (talk) 00:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For a follow up of this discussion see my additional comments below, and please continue the discussion down there.--Mariordo (talk) 01:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: If there is no one claiming an NPOV dispute on this talk page, someone should remove the template.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.55.55 (talk) 03:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No NPOV dispute? 

message: This link: *Anna Nagurney's Fulbright lectures on Sustainable Transportation was added by User:Supernet who appears to be an agent of the site since they are promoting the site across wikipedia. It may be a good site so I've moved it here for consideration by regular editors of the article in keeping with the conflict of interest and external links guidelines. -- Siobhan Hansa 01:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umass link 

message: *Obviously about the same topic. 
*Transportation redirects to Transport.
*google:sustainable-transport gets 3 times as many results as google:sustainable-transportation.
--Chriswaterguy talk 01:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with the merge, but it's going to spur a whole British "transport" or American "transportation" war. --Thisisbossi 03:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Good work, I support the merger. Nick carson (talk) 09:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion that [[Sustainable transportation]] be merged into this article. 

message: I've added a number of citations to the article, many of which required a bit of editing to fit the text - eg replacing the general claim that "30% of traffic is trips to school" with "traffic on US roads increases 30% in school term times" (with link)
Maybe I have done enough of this to warrant removal of the "please add citations" tag?  I'm not sure the process for this.
I am confused by the split between the section "Evolution of concept 1988 (why 1988?) to present" and the section "A short history of international action".  I think these two sections should be merged but this is a pretty radical change for a noob such as myself to be making.
There are also two definitions of "sustainable mobility" offered in close proximity - one referring to alternative vehicle fuels and another to a wider concept which is "increasingly replacing" sustainable transport.  A google search just adds to the confusion - there are 281,000 hits for "sustainable mobility" which are split between policy documents and auto shows.  So I've left this one - maybe someone else can decide what to do? Travelplanner (talk) 11:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have further helped in this regard.  I have removed all links to articles within the sentences creating all of them ro be citable references instead.  I have made all refs use the same format.  SriMesh | talk 19:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps with what you and I have done, the tag can be removed, and it can site as a C class article, and with more cites and prose and less lists, it may move up a level.SriMesh | talk 03:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added citations and edited claims to fit 

message: ::::Here's a draft structure:
::::*Lead
::::*History/origins inc. definitions
::::*Social 
:::::*Social impacts of transport (safety, equity, health, access vs social exclusion)
:::::*Good practice in transport systems (which system is safest/ healthiest / most equitable)
::::*Environmental
:::::*Environmental impacts of transport
:::::*Mitigating / managing / minimising environmental impacts
::::*Economic
:::::*The economic importance of transport (in measurable terms, as far as possible)
:::::*Improving the economic performance of transport systems
::::*Transport governance
:::::*Sustainability in transport governance
:::::*Sustainable transport as a social movement
::::Comments?  changes?  help getting started??--Travelplanner (talk) 11:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replace the lead.  The old lead is at Talk:Sustainable transport/sandbox and I plan to pick it apart for improvements to the Green transport article.  But lots more work to do on this article first.--Travelplanner (talk) 12:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have done a wonderful work, congratulations. I will try to look at it in more detail in the following weeks, and contribute (if necessary) to put it in shape for GAN. Nice work!--Mariordo (talk) 20:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been involved with a few rewrites now and the best place to start is with a well thought-out structure. I think 'Green Transport' is just a more simplistic and inadequate term for 'Sustainable Transport', perhaps merge the two as was done with another similarly named article. I'd perhaps also include a section of sustainable transport methods (like; Heavy rail, Light rail, etc, etc) and use summary style within each subsection? Nick carson (talk) 09:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the structure TP's laid out for the article. The current "See also" section is way too long, IMO. The links it contains should perhaps be incorporated into the body text of the article. I agree with Nick that the "Green transport" article should be merged with this one. I've added merge tags to each. Please indicate whether you agree, or not, below. Sunray (talk) 10:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The rewrite starts

message: The Green transport article gets far fewer hits than this article and is not nearly as well-developed—lacking in references and written like an essay. On the other hand, it does have some content and images that could easily be added to Sustainability transport. Please indicate, by September 1, 2009, whether, or not,  you support a merge. Sunray (talk) 10:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to be talking to myself way out in this far corner of the internet. If anyone cares to comment, here is the format:
*Support merge. The two terms are virtually synonymous, "Green transport" content could be easily combined into this article. Sunray (talk) 00:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  During the following two weeks I will give a try to at least improve the lead of the GT article, so that the difference between the two subjects is clear.--Mariordo (talk) 23:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge of "Green transport" with this article

message: I almost think that Alternative fuels in buses should be deleted, but there might be some information therein that is suitable for this article. If no one supports the merger, then it would be great if someone could do something to improve Alternative fuels in buses. Thanks! Pdcook (talk) 23:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  merger of "Alternative Fuels in Buses" into this article 

message: I'm going to try to clean up the Environmentally Sustainable Transport / Green Transport muddle.  To me it is muddled especially as regards images - pictures of solar and wind powered vehicles for example; these contribute nothing currently to transport systems whereas as pointed out above, horses clearly do.  Sadly, most new technologies would currently sit better under the heading "greenwash" although this may change.Travelplanner (talk) 10:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your proposed clean up is needed indeed. Also note that this article, green vehicles, and alternative fuel vehicles are beginning to overlap too much. Considering the existing repetition, I suggest you delete the more peripheral info (wind cars?) and leave the more mainstream solutions and link the rest to the other two articles.-Mariordo (talk) 12:01, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up

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