Talk:Gothic alphabet

message: I'm having trouble saving the other article right now (/Temp). I'm getting an SQL error. Here's what I want to submit: --Kesuari 14:07, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion. 

message: the Unicode specs give "iuja" for the z letter, but I was unable to verify this. Rather, the letter seems to have been called ezec. I trust the Patrologia Latina better than Unicode on this, and will therefore change it, but I would like to know where the iuja originated... dab (ᛏ) 12:04, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: iuja

message: Can anybody make a Unicode table similar to those found at other alphabet articles? I see the PDF but before I download a Gothic font and copy it does anybody have a font already? (Yes, I have Windows 2000 so I do have Unicode writing capabilities and I do have Arial Unicode MS which doesn't seem to cover Gothic) Wikiacc 21:16, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unicode chart

message: Has anybody had *any* luck getting any font including the Gothic alphabet to work with Mozilla (Seamonkey, 1.7.11) under Windows XP? I've tried and installed all the fonts linked on got:Wikipedia:Gothic Unicode Fonts, as well as some more mentioned in the gothic-l Yahoo group, but without any luck whatsoever. Internet Explorer and Opera also suffer from the same problems, so I'm pretty sure it's not just Mozilla acting up.
Any help would be very appreciated. -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 20:08, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Gothic fonts are in Plane 1 of Unicode, which is not as well supported as the Basic Multi Lingual Plane. It could be that WinXP just doesn't support it, in which case you just might not have any luck. But I don't really know anything about WinXP. —Felix the Cassowary () 01:39, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fonts? 

message: The Gothic letter ƕ is now available in the edit tools box. Click on the drop-down menu and select "Indo-European"; it's the last one. þ is there too. --Angr (tɔk) 09:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gothic letter in the edit tools box 

message: I have removed a comment from the section on the letters. After the phrase, "a few letters are innovated to accurately express Gothic phonology", the following words appeared:
"(other than the Elder Futhark even featuring letters for the labiovelars)".
I understand from this that the Elder Futhark featured letters for the labiovelars. What I don't understand entirely is how it links with its context, either topically or grammatically. The lack of comma after Futhark gives the impression that the Futhark has LV letters, while Gothic doesn't, whereas the reverse is true. The main puzzle is the use of the words other than. I suspect that the writer is not a native English speaker, and is using other to mean unlike.
I am guessing the writer intended to say, ...a few letters are innovated to express more accurately the Gothic phonology, including special letters for the labiovelars, which are not found in the Elder Futhark.
As I am not sure that this is the writer's intent, I leave it to him/her to make the change. Copey 2 14:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the writer's intent was, of course, to express the fact that the Gothic alphabet has labiovelars while the Elder Futhark do not: you would have been most welcome to replace the offending 'other than' with 'unlike'. The point is that the Gothic names for LV letters (quaithra, hwair) have no precedent in runic letter names. q∀p (ᛎ) 14:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on Futhark removed 

message: It's surprising that discussions on the derivation of the Gothic alphabet never seem to take note of the fact that while þ has the alphabetic position and (later Greek) pronunciation of θ (theta), it has the form of ψ (psi); and conversely, hw has the alphabetic position of ψ, but the old uncial form of θ. Has anyone seen any discussion of this? It makes me wonder how Wulfila wrote Greek. Copey 2 15:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if it is a bit late, but you can find a mention in "Gotisches Elementarbuch, Wolfgang Binning", page 45. He mentions that the signs are more propably derrived from what you are saying. Zylbath (talk) 17:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

text: yes,The good Bishop spoke & wrote Greek,after all,he did translate from Greek to Gothic.
What ever mystifies me is the transposition of theta & psi,because these sounds have Rune letter equivalents: þ as θ, &  hw as ψ, for, if one examine Runes, he will see these letters there, along with R. Wulfilas was not ignorant of Roman letters,& he used them where the Runes resembled them. I do sometimes wonder whether the copyist got them mixed up in the Codex Argentus.AptitudeDesign (talk) 07:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: þ,hw and the Greek alphabet

message: Why does this article not have any references? WP policy stipulates articles must be based on verifiable published books. Having a section of external links at the bottom is not sufficient.
Arbo talk 14:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it doesn't? That's not the most carefully followed policy in Wikipedia, and nobody really enforces it on minor, uncontroversial articles like this one. http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode4.0.0/ch13.pdf is one source; http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/germanic/aa_texts.html has some older books.--Prosfilaes 14:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I find it unnecessarily confusing that the names Wulfila and Ulfilas are used to refer to the same person in different portions of the article.  An improvement would be to select one of the two to be used throughout the article.  The other name could be parenthetically referenced upon the first usage in the article.  Any other opinions? Leeannedy (talk) 23:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead. Any other opinion would be silly.--Niels Ø (noe) (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage of Wulfila and Ulfilas

message: I just cleaned up the markup in the Examples section, but I'm a bit puzzled by what "Fennic" is supposed to be.  There's no WP page, and the server suggests maybe I meant Finnic, but the Finnic languages are decidedly un-Germanic, so that can't be right.  Can anyone else with a clue add the right link / use the right spelling?  -- Cheers, Erik Anderson -- 205.166.76.15 (talk) 23:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gothic_alphabet#Examples|Examples]] 

message: Moved from article, since it's just rife with errors — and why should it be in the alphabet article, anyway?
— Eru·tuon 00:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord's Prayer, word-for-word translation 

message: This relates to the order of the gothic characters in the main database on the page.
Would it be prudent to order the characters as close as possible to the anglish 'alphabet song' or is the current order relative to the actual gothic order of the characters?
I think presenting the characters in the song order would make the graph itself easier to understand to a broader audience.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.85.222 (talk) 00:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order 

message: are these letters really this similar?
even in written texts?
∈Sensorsweep (talk) 01:25, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  raida vs. kusma 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Gothic alphabet. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20051029233446/http://marnanel.org/gothic to http://marnanel.org/gothic
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 15:42, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: How many cases are there of writings in Gothic where the letter "S" was replaced by a Greek sigma? I realize that the Codex Argenteus is the best surviving example of Gothic and has "S" in it, but there are some other codexes that show more Greek influence (albeit with a peculiar italicized system of letters that I don't think I've ever seen in Greek), and the sigma is in those, as I understand.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:8E80:7800:1409:D3D:B6CB:7186 (talk) 18:23, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Sigma vs Latin S

message: Below the table it is said that Gothic has two letters that derive from the Latin F and G, while I am not contesting the former I'm definitely hoping to disagree with the latter.
The Gothic for /ɡ/ is "𐌲", which is clearly from Greek, I suppose there was confusion with "𐌾", but that is clearly not a "g" but /j/ and doesn't seem to come from Latin but the Elder Futhark "ᛃ" which is also pronounced /j/. ALBA-CENTAURI (talk) 17:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin "G"?