Talk:Deaths in April 2007

message: The AP reports his age as 67, our article says 65. Our article seems to match the birthdate shown at IMDb and AllMovieGuide. But should the AP get more clout? I left a note on that article's talk page as well. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 23:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Clark - 65 or 67? 

message: * Removed this Barcelona/Spain footballer from April 8 - no news hits of his death, his Wiki article makes no reference to cause of death, and the death dates clash between it and here (it lists him as dead March 8, 2007). What's more, the same user updated both pages just before to note his death. i'm reverting both until there are sources, if he has died. tomasz. 15:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sound, fair enough then. was hoping to err on the side of caution. tomasz. 15:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. I have a death date, the 7th, and have put it on this page, SqueakBox 15:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Maria Gonzalvo]] 

message: The only reference that says anything about when he died, the first one, says he died "overnight".  This is news-speak in Australia for either "last night" (= yesterday night, Monday 16th), or "we're not exactly sure when, or maybe we are, but we want to sound as up-to-the-minute as we can".  It almost always means "prior to midnight".  In the past, I've seen deaths reported in the media as occurring "overnight", when they turned out to have occurred 2 or 3 or more days earlier.  The reference was timed at 9:10 am (local time) today, Tuesday 17th.  How likely is it that he died at, say, 3am this morning, and it hit the news only 6 hours later?  In my opinion, not very likely at all.  He is notable, but hardly famous enough to warrant such a quick response by the media.  
This entry was originally put in the list of 17 April deaths; I changed it to 16th for the above reasons; and it's been reverted back.  I suspect history will bear me out when we have accurate information as to his time/date of death, but I'll suspend any further changes till then.  JackofOz 05:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article  says he died in his sleep on Tuesday morning, so 17 April is correct. WWGB 23:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.  I'm not actually personally convinced by this reference, because papers (and the media generally) have a bad track record of getting the actual date of a person's death correct.  But for now, it meets Wikipedia requirements, so I won't change anything.  Cheers.  JackofOz 02:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Len Fitzgerald

message: Is there consensus to remove her name (reason: non notable) from April 16? Professors  Granata and  Librescu have been speedily declared notable in their own right outside the events at V-Tech, so their inclusion is unquestioned. Pablosecca 07:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think her notice should remain until such time as her main wiki entry is deleted or redirected WWGB 07:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yeh, what he ^ said tomasz. 10:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jocelyne Couture-Nowak is notable in Canada (Nova Scotia) for her very public work re minority (French) language rights and schooling.  Her profile in Virgina, however, was much lower.Que-Can 20:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jocelyne Couture-Nowak 

message: Now I know someone will just put it back up, but I don't think he's worthy of mention on Wikipedia, seeing as how hundreds die all the time in Iraq due to suicide murders, and this person really doesn't deserve to have his name everywhere, which was pretty much why he did the crime.
:That's a real head-in-the-sand position to adopt. He has a Wikipedia article, plus more than 3000 hits on Google News, yet you want to suppress the listing of his death? WWGB 03:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: not only is it not a matter of "deserving" to be on the page (since we're in the business of facts and nor ethical judgements), but being responsible for modern US history's deadliest spree killing confers a certain notability on this individual. "which was pretty much why he did the crime"... yeh? got a verifiable source on that? tomasz. 09:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, "doesn't deserve" is an emotional response. And understandable. Meanwhile, the other gut-wrenching decision is AfD-ing victims' articles for not being notable. I agree not to give the killer his "platform," but that's not the policy here. He's clearly notable in his deplorable, despicable way. —Twigboy 13:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i realise it's an emotional response, but like i said, we're not in the emotional response business. and surely he doesn't have a "platform" considering he's dead. tomasz. 13:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  V-Tech Killer 

message: the virginia tech murderer should not be listed as a famous person dying, because that is what he wanted, to glorify his evil scheme.
:1. you don't know what "he wanted". 2. wikipedia is not censored and a person's moral fibre is not a criterion for having an article on them or getting rid of one. if it were, there'd be no Adolf Hitler articles, no Augusto Pinochet, etc., etc. 3. he's dead, so it's hardly like we're giving him some sort of satisfaction. 4. he's kind of become famous whether we like that or not. 5. read the paragraph above before you make exactly the same points again. tomasz. 11:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VT Murderer 

message: Has anyone any info about this writer, who died recently? The only thing I could find online is that he wrote for The Marx Brothers in "Flywheel, Shyster and Flywheel".
Paul
194.73.99.107 10:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: he was writing partner to Barry Cryer and Ronnie Corbett early in his career. He was born in Plainfield, New Jersey i think. he was said to be a very solispsistic man happiest working independently, and he was a great lover of wordsmithery. there was an obit. on BBC Radio 4's obituary show The Last Word last week, should be streamable online as 'Listen Again' for a couple of days if you're interested. tomasz. 12:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick Vosborough 

message: * People that keep changing (French) to (Canadian) – The word (French) at the end of the line refers to the language that the corresponding source is in, not the nationality of the person. The page linked to is written in French, as "Canadian" is not per se a language. Please familiarise yourself with this concept before you "correct" it again. tomasz. 12:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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