Talk:Stoopid Buddy Stoodios

message: Cleaned it up a bit, but it still needs some work in terms of grammar and stuff.  Also needs more content.
--N3X15 16:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned u[p 

message: Filtering out all the hissy fits and uncivil comments above, the substantive arguments about whether to keep the closing logo descriptions seem to boil down to:
For:
*They are only one-line descriptions and "aren't too in the way".
*They are similar to episode lists of full-length TV shows, such as Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (season 8) or List of NCIS episodes.
*This and this are cited as sources.
*The sources can be verified by watching the TV show Robot Chicken.
Against:
*It is a list of indiscriminate trivia.
*It can only be sourced to personal observation of the subject.
*It is not verifiable
*There are no reliable sources; the source cited is a wiki and thus not a reliable source.
*It is original research.
*It is not important and is fancruft.
*There is no consensus to keep the list.
*The subject isn't notable.
Let me address each argument individually:
:They are only one-line descriptions and "aren't too in the way".
I would agree with this. Since these are simple closing logos, I don't see how more than a one line description would be justified anyway, and since there are a limited number of them (42), this page won't get unreasonable burdened with them. (But if one of these closing logos were to generate controversy and become to be the subject of news articles, then it might deserve more...)
:They are similar to episode lists of full-length TV shows.
I can also agree with this. Some shows have even had episode lists expanded into articles on each episode, but given again that these are still frame logos, there does not seem to be need for a separate article on each one. A simple list of one-line descriptions seems reasonable to me.
:This and this are cited as sources.
The sources cited do appear to confirm the information presented here.
:The sources can be verified by watching the TV show Robot Chicken.
I've seen some of these episodes, and I've seen the closing logo referred to here. Anyone can watch Cartoon Network at the appropriate time and verify the logos, and anyone can obtain the DVD releases to verify them as well.
Now, the arguments against:
:It is a list of indiscriminate trivia.
WP:TRIVIA defines trivia as "information that is not important to the subject it is being presented in relation to". Sorry, but I am not persuaded by the argument that the content of the Stoopid Monkey logos are not important to the subject of Stoopid Monkey itself. I also don't see anything in WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE that would prohibit this list, unless it is considered a list of "plot summaries". Even then, as long as there is real-world context in the article (which there is in the opening paragraphs), it should be OK.
:It can only be sourced to personal observation of the subject.
Well, in this case, the primary source is a published source concerning the subject itself. And everything in Wikipedia is derived from "personal observation" of published sources.
:It is not verifiable.
As I addressed above, it can be verified by watching the end of the TV show on Cartoon Network or the DVD.
:There are no reliable sources; the source cited is a wiki and thus not a reliable source.
While the source cited is a wiki, as I argued above the content can be independently verified by anyone in the United States with a TV and a cable or satellite connection or a DVD player, and as such I have no reason to doubt the reliability of this source and don't see any reason it should not be regarded as an exception to the general guideline against using wikis as sources.
:It is original research.
Describing the content of a primary published source is not "original research", it is "source-based research", and it is fundamental to writing an encyclopedia.
:It is not important and is fancruft; There is no consensus to keep the list.
The term "fancruft" is usually bandied about by editors who want to remove information they think is "unimportant", regardless of how many people want the information and think it is useful. Keep in mind that this article was created just over one year ago, and had included the list for almost that entire time, while being edited by 23 registered editors and another 19 anonymous IP addresses, which alone provides evidence of a long-standing silent consensus to keep the list in this article.
:The subject isn't notable.
While I realize the Google test isn't authoritative, the phrase "Stoopid Monkey" gets 3 unique news archive hits and 272 unique web hits. These include T-shirts being sold at Amazon and elsewhere, an IMDB page, and an article about the company's upcoming film. I believe this is enough independent sources to establish notability for the company.
Finally, someone said above that we don't have a "screen shot of every Couch gag on the Simpsons", however, this dispute is not about screenshots, but descriptions. And there is indeed a List of The Simpsons couch gags, including a description of each one.
In summary, the page should remain and should include the list of closing logo descriptions. DHowell 05:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: DHowell...that is what I have been trying to say, but you put it in MANY words.  Thanks. - SVRTVDude (Yell | Toil) 18:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Hell, that would be pretty awesome....but no.  I just make sure our good ol' pal Calton doesn't destroy another page on Wikipedia.  They could parody him for weeks.  Never ending entertainment. - SVRTVDude (Yell | Toil) 22:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Very well written. I totally agree. Chaos0mega 09:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well said, DHowell.  I agree.  --ElKevbo 04:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another outside view 

message: Between the "merge" votes and the "keep but lose the logos" votes, it's pretty clear that the majority view is that they don't belong, regardless of the smoke-blowing by DHowell (among other things, I'll note your misunderstanding of reliable sources and primary sources). Out they go. --Calton | Talk 17:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Calton, you lost...there was only TWO of the votes (not counting yours) that said remove the logos.  You are mad, obviously, but only two of the votes said for them to go, the rest said neither for nor against.  Now...let...it...go! - SVRTVDude (Yell | Toil) 23:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm...Primary sources that have been published by a reliable source may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it's easy to misuse them. So, that "reliable source" was what, again? Hint: Fan wiki? Not a reliable source. --Calton | Talk 13:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, the contents of a fan wiki wouldn't be a primary source at all. The primary sources are the episodes themselves. It's video, not text, that's being cited here. -Orphic 19:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Robot Chicken Season 1 DVD is a primary, reliable source. A fan wiki is a seconday source, reliable or not. Given the wide availability of the primary source, however, such a source ought to be presumed to be reliable in this case. DHowell 07:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Logos

message: Here's what I had in mind for the Stoop!d Monkey merge into List of Robot Chicken episodes.  (I've removed the fair-use images for this talk page comment, since they aren't being used for critical commentary.  Instead, I'm putting in a picture of a flour mill.)
Screenshot	Title               	Airdate          	Episode #	Production Code
          	                    	                 	         	
          	"Junk in the Trunk" 	February 20, 2005	1        	2
          	
Rachael Leigh Cook smashes more than eggs in her latest This is Your Brain on Drugs public service announcement. Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots, falls prey to prostate cancer. The outcome is never in doubt during "World's Most One-Sided Fistfights Caught on Film." Outtakes from The Dukes of Hazzard, The X-Files, Battlestar Galactica and more come to light in "Bloopers."	
Rachael Leigh Cook smashes more than eggs in her latest This is Your Brain on Drugs public service announcement. Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots, falls prey to prostate cancer. The outcome is never in doubt during "World's Most One-Sided Fistfights Caught on Film." Outtakes from The Dukes of Hazzard, The X-Files, Battlestar Galactica and more come to light in "Bloopers."	
Rachael Leigh Cook smashes more than eggs in her latest This is Your Brain on Drugs public service announcement. Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots, falls prey to prostate cancer. The outcome is never in doubt during "World's Most One-Sided Fistfights Caught on Film." Outtakes from The Dukes of Hazzard, The X-Files, Battlestar Galactica and more come to light in "Bloopers."	
Rachael Leigh Cook smashes more than eggs in her latest This is Your Brain on Drugs public service announcement. Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots, falls prey to prostate cancer. The outcome is never in doubt during "World's Most One-Sided Fistfights Caught on Film." Outtakes from The Dukes of Hazzard, The X-Files, Battlestar Galactica and more come to light in "Bloopers."
          	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is about to hit his tail with a hammer.	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is about to hit his tail with a hammer.	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is about to hit his tail with a hammer.	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is about to hit his tail with a hammer.
          	                    	                 	         	
          	"Nutcracker Sweet"  	February 27, 2005	2        	5
          	
Voltron engages in an old-school dance-off in "You Got Robo-Served." The secret lives of nature's most fascinating beasts are exposed in "Secrets of the Animal Kingdom." Testicles are terrorized in "Ode to the Nut Shot." Walt Disney's severed head with its giant robotic spider-body attacks Cuba.	
Voltron engages in an old-school dance-off in "You Got Robo-Served." The secret lives of nature's most fascinating beasts are exposed in "Secrets of the Animal Kingdom." Testicles are terrorized in "Ode to the Nut Shot." Walt Disney's severed head with its giant robotic spider-body attacks Cuba.	
Voltron engages in an old-school dance-off in "You Got Robo-Served." The secret lives of nature's most fascinating beasts are exposed in "Secrets of the Animal Kingdom." Testicles are terrorized in "Ode to the Nut Shot." Walt Disney's severed head with its giant robotic spider-body attacks Cuba.	
Voltron engages in an old-school dance-off in "You Got Robo-Served." The secret lives of nature's most fascinating beasts are exposed in "Secrets of the Animal Kingdom." Testicles are terrorized in "Ode to the Nut Shot." Walt Disney's severed head with its giant robotic spider-body attacks Cuba.
          	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is smoking an entire pack of cigarettes in his mouth.	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is smoking an entire pack of cigarettes in his mouth.	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is smoking an entire pack of cigarettes in his mouth.	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is smoking an entire pack of cigarettes in his mouth.
          	                    	                 	         	
          	"Gold Dust Gasoline"	March 6, 2005    	3        	6
          	
The animals Noah left behind try to survive the flood in their very own ark. Enjoy instant nostalgia with "That '00s Show." Mrs. McNally's third-graders produce an animated abomination in "The Best Cowboy." The world's most famous cars, from KITT to the the General Lee and even Mario karts, race against each other in "3 Fast 3 Furious."	
The animals Noah left behind try to survive the flood in their very own ark. Enjoy instant nostalgia with "That '00s Show." Mrs. McNally's third-graders produce an animated abomination in "The Best Cowboy." The world's most famous cars, from KITT to the the General Lee and even Mario karts, race against each other in "3 Fast 3 Furious."	
The animals Noah left behind try to survive the flood in their very own ark. Enjoy instant nostalgia with "That '00s Show." Mrs. McNally's third-graders produce an animated abomination in "The Best Cowboy." The world's most famous cars, from KITT to the the General Lee and even Mario karts, race against each other in "3 Fast 3 Furious."	
The animals Noah left behind try to survive the flood in their very own ark. Enjoy instant nostalgia with "That '00s Show." Mrs. McNally's third-graders produce an animated abomination in "The Best Cowboy." The world's most famous cars, from KITT to the the General Lee and even Mario karts, race against each other in "3 Fast 3 Furious."
          	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is about to whack a beehive with a stick.	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is about to whack a beehive with a stick.	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is about to whack a beehive with a stick.	
Stoop!d Monkey logo: He is about to whack a beehive with a stick.
That was what I had in mind.  That way, we don't have to keep a separate list that runs parallel to the main list of episodes.  That was the solution I proposed, and what I still endorse.  Other than that, I don't want to get sucked into this rather contentious argument.  I'd rather argue about things like Richardsonian Romanesque architecture versus Beaux-Arts architecture. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to this, as long there is a link to the Robot Chicken episode list here. If this is what it takes to get consensus, do it. DHowell 07:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The idea I had for merging the logo descriptions into the list of episodes 

message: Would this work for everyone?  The picture on the left being the episode picture and the picture on the right being the stoopid monkey picture, with the tag at the bottom? - SVRTVDude (VT) 08:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't have a problem with this, except that there are far too many copyright-paranoid image police that would object to the inclusion of this many fair use images on an episode list. At this point, it's probably better to just link to the images on an external site, like you did on this page, lest you attract more deletionist attention to these pages. DHowell 09:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I kinda thought it might be taking it a bit far, but thought I would throw it out there anyway.  OK, I don't mind just having the Stoopid Monkey line being including in the episode list and then the link beside it.  Let's see what everyone else thinks before adding it to that page. - SVRTVDude (VT) 09:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Idea

message: After talking to some other users, I have moved the explanations of the Stoopid Monkey logos and their respective links and incorporated them into the episode list, which was, of course User:Elkman's idea.  So,  now we can put this thing to rest.  My thanks for everyone's input. - SVRTVDude (VT) 03:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Finally....

message: Are we sure it's Seth Green? It sounds a heck of a lot like Stephen Root to me. thx1138 (talk) 19:34, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Voice saying "Stupid monkey"

message: The company name incorporates ! as a substitute for an i therefore I think that Stoopid Monkey should be redirected back to Stoop!d Monkey. Opinion? Dancing is Forbidden (talk) 10:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stoopid Monkey vs Stoop!d Monkey 

message: In an effort to avoid an edit war I've restrained myself from deleting the paragraph which states "The name "Stoopid Monkey" is a reference to a line from Professor Farnsworth in the Futurama episode "Mars University". Ok so yes Professor Farnsworth does say Stupid Monkey in the episode "Mars University" but I could not find any proof whatsoever that attributes that line being used by Seth Green and Matt Seinreich for the founding of their Stoopid Monkey production company. I did an extensive Google search including "Futurama Stupid Monkey", "Futurama Stoopid Monkey", "Futurama Professor Farnsworth Stupid Monkey", "Futurama Stoopid Monkey" and "Futurama Seth Green Matt Seinreich Stoopid Monkey" with no hits that can provide concrete proof of the origin of the Stoopid Monkey name came from Futurama. Can someone provide actual references to these claims. Thank you. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 07:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Stoopid Monkey name 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Oppose per MOS:TM. We don't use gimmicky formatting for article titles. Zarcadia (talk) 21:41, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Hi there -- Repping Stoopid Buddy Stoodios here and need some help updating this page. In 2011, Stoopid Monkey owners Matt Senreich and Seth Green partnered with John Harvatine IV and Eric Towner of Buddy Systems Studios to merge and found Stoopid Buddy Stoodios. Robot Chicken was produced by Stoopid Monkey until Season 6 in 2011. Any production 2011 or later is produced by Stoopid Buddy Stoodios, NOT Stupid Monkey. Robot Chicken Seasons 1-5: Stoopid Monkey. Seasons 6-present: Stoopid Buddy Stoodios.
There is no page for Stoopid Buddy Stoodios yet. Hoping to edit this page first before creating the new Stoopid Buddy Stoodios page. Can someone help edit this information and remove all credits post 2011?
You can find this information and more specific details on the website, specifically in the founder biography sections.
http://www.leagueofbuddies.com/about/the-buddies/founders/john-harvatine-iv/
Any help appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbrooker101 (talk • contribs) 01:26, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If your a rep for the organization, then you shouldn't be editing this article at all. Please see WP:COI, and make suggestions for changes on this talk page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stand down,  - We had this user in the help IRC channel, their edits will be scrutinised. They're open about their COI and they've been open to criticsm so far. Minor, uncontroversial factual corrections are perfectly acceptable for editors with COIs to make. -- Thanks, Alfie. talk to me | contribs 02:41, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

text:   Dummy ping because I'm good at typing  -- Thanks, Alfie. talk to me | contribs 02:41, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well lah-dee-dah, I don't go on IRC, and everything I said is true and applies here on Wikipedia, which is what I edit. I suggest you cool your jets. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  My jets are cool! My "Stand down" was meant in good humour more than anything else - Sorry if you got the impression I was being smug, or anything! It's worth mentioning that connected contributors are acceptable provided they're not making POV or promotional edits. In fact, the connected contributor template the user placed on this page (which I moved to the top) suggests the user is already aware of WP:COI. You're not wrong at all! -- Thanks, Alfie. talk to me | contribs 02:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stoopid Monkey now Stoopid Buddy Stoodios 

message: If Stoopid Buddy absorbed or merged with Stupid Money, why do both logos appear at the end of new Robot Chicken episodes? Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:44, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Question