Talk:Cardiff Central railway station

message: Does it really only have 7 platforms?  I thought it was more like 10. Deb 17:32, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: What about platform zero? Warofdreams 12:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Tis mentioned in the article.  You may have noticed the article also mentions the current lack of a platform 5. Chris 15:03, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: No. There are 4 physical platforms (0, 1/2, 3/4, 6/7), 7 platform faces (0, 1, 2, 3a/3b, 4a/4b, 6, 7), 7 signalled platforms (0, 1, 2, 3a/3b, 4a/4b, 6, 7) but 9 designated platforms (0, 1, 2, 3a, 3b, 4a, 4b, 6, 7). Normally we could this by the number of signalled platforms or platform faces. Anywikiuser (talk) 16:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Platforms

message: *Current name is ambiguous.  If you were neither local, nor a UK railfan, nor talking about the UK rail system, nor travelling on Cardiff buses, would you know what the article was about by name only?  Is it a bar?  Is it the centre of the city?
*Current name is inconsistent with other rail stations and rail/bus interchange points.
Chris 01:44, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As said earlier, I'm sure there was some kind of project a while ago, which mentioned that "station" would be used for interchanges, and "railway station" for stations with only a rail link.  Cardiff Central station as well as the railways has a bus station, rather like Euston and Victoria in London, so to label it as being only a railway station would be factually incorrect. Chris 19:12, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with that.  Support. violet/riga (t) 19:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, then, changing to Support. Penwhale 19:40, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: The Maesteg trains now leave from platfom 3 or 4 since the new timetable (11 dec 2005). Also the Bridgend (Via Barry) trains leaves from platform 7.
:I've now deleted the list of which services leave from which platform as it serves little function but as a guide to finding your train (Wikipedia is not a travel guide) and, as the above shows, it isn't constant. At smaller stations where the layout is more fixed, general statements like e.g. Filton Abbey Wood railway station and Liskeard railway station it can be said that, e.g. "platform 2 is for eastbound services", or "platform 1 is for services to south Wales", or "platform 3 is for trains to Looe" are appropriate. Here it can be said that Valley Line services run from platforms 6 and 7 with intercity trains to and from London generally calling at platforms 2 and 4 respectively (if these are correct), but more detailed than this isn't. Thryduulf 02:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  changes in which platfom masteg train leaves 

message: Cardiff Central railway station → Cardiff Central interchange — A little unusual but i thought because it both includes the bus station and railway station Simply south 13:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
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====Survey - in opposition to the move====
# Strong Oppose - The name of the station is Cardiff Central. Any change would move the name of the article away from the exisiting naming conventions for a railway station. I have also considered Bradford Interchange. This is the name of this particular rail/bus interchange. The transport facility in Cardiff is not called Cardiff Central Interchange. --Stewart 22:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
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====Survey - in opposition to the move====
# Strong Oppose - The name of the station is Cardiff Central. Any change would move the name of the article away from the exisiting naming conventions for a railway station. I have also considered Bradford Interchange. This is the name of this particular rail/bus interchange. The transport facility in Cardiff is not called Cardiff Central Interchange. --Stewart 22:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Strong Oppose - The name of the station is Cardiff Central. Any change would move the name of the article away from the exisiting naming conventions for a railway station. I have also considered Bradford Interchange. This is the name of this particular rail/bus interchange. The transport facility in Cardiff is not called Cardiff Central Interchange. --Stewart 22:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: *The last "naming convention" on the subject I saw suggested that multi-modal locations were simply "station".  Chris cheese whine 12:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Someone keeps insisting that the "a" and "b" ends of platforms 3 and 4 are separate platforms.  They are not - they are subdivisions of the same platform (just as at Birmingham New Street station).  The point about holding 2 separate trains is irrelevant - the platforms have supported such permissive working for years (I have personally seen four trains on platform 4 at once before now).  81.104.175.145 16:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quail Railway Track Diagrams shows clearly on diagram 3.22 (4ed. ) that there are seven platforms.  Contacts at Network Rail believe there to be seven platforms, with two of them divided for the purpose of management at the station.  Signalling contacts tell me there are seven platforms, with all seven as well as the two through tracks set up for permissive working (i.e. more than one train in section).  Staff at the station believe there to be seven platforms.  Finally, and most damningly, when I was there yesterday afternoon, I counted them, and definitely only found seven.  From here onwards, I will be treating any attempt to put "9" back in as sneaky vandalism for the purpose of WP:3RR.  81.104.175.145 16:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The station has 7 platforms.  Since many of the local trains calling at Cardiff central are only very small trains, more than one train can share the same platform, hence there is signage says 3a and 3b.  However, 3a and 3b are merely sections of the platform and not separate platforms.  User:82.0.120.146 (aka User:Welshleprechaun) is a known vandal and has constantly been pushing his POV agenda on a number of Welsh articles.  I suspect he has a political agenda. 195.27.12.230 12:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Basically, you've got it the wrong way around.  You suggested the two are separate because there may be two trains there.  Long story short, it is actually one single platform because one train may lie across the whole thing.  There is no boundary between the two, and no distinction from a signalling perspective.  Trains are signalled onto "platform 3" and the driver stops on sight.  At Birmingham, there are boundaries (marked by the signals mounted under the roof), but it is possible for a train to lie across the two platforms, and it is possible for trains to move across the boundary.  At Bristol, the numbering is primarily for hysterical historical reasons, but the main point is that there are no short movements across the boundary - a train may only cross the platform marker on authority from the signals on approach to BTM.  A train stopped in platform 9 may not advance into 10 and vice versa[simplification].  81.104.175.145 01:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  a/b division 

message: There are 22 railway stations in cardiff, with Whitchurch (Glamorgan) railway station consistently being left out of articles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.16.210 (talk) 15:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 22 railway stations

message: Can we please stop removing the "terminus of Bridgend" for the "south wales main line" FGW services as only 50% of the trains actually continue to Bridgend, the remainder terminate here. Thanks. Shazz0r (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because if you check the Live Departure Board, all trains on the South Wales Main Line go from London Paddington to Swansea without stopping at Cardiff. Local services to Cheltenham, Taunton, Weymouth or Portsmouth terminate here.  Anywikiuser (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I live directly next to the station, and use these services daily. I think i know what i'm talking about. If you check the details of it correctly you'll find 50% of the trains from London paddington operated by FGW using the south wales main line terminate at cardiff, and the other 50% continue towards swansea after stopping at cardiff. Shazz0r (talk) 20:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked it again. Half of them do terminate but only at peak time. I have changed the destinations box to show that. Anywikiuser (talk) 16:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter.  Our line succession boxes show extent of service, not the precise service pattern.  Some trains continue on to Bridgend, so the correct entry is "Bridgend", not "Bridgend or terminus".  90.203.45.168 (talk) 17:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if that's the policy then you better start editing the hundreds of other railway station pages with the same error.Welshleprechaun (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It does matter, otherwise wikipedia could be accused of giving "false infortmation". Undid your unwanted edits for the 2nd time. Shazz0r (talk) 11:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cardiff or Bridgend 

message: 92.21.87.211 and Cardiff123098 have both effed up this article. Need help restoring it. WL (talk) 01:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: In the section on the normal pattern of which platforms are used for which services there are several mentions of new and ajusted services to start in 2012. These include the present Arriva Trains Wales services from Carmarthen and Milford Haven to Manchester gaining a portion for Liverpool and XC running new services. No source for this information is provided and the current lack of slack in the Arriva Trains Wales class 175 fleet (ie. no spare units for extra services) makes these changes very unlikely. Rhydgaled (talk) 21:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed; my own view is that the type of stock in use should only be mentioned if its unusual compared to the other services provided by the same operator. WP:V also means that if it is mentioned in Wikipedia, it should already have been mentioned elsewhere in reliable sources. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

text: . --Redrose64 (talk) 11:30, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious Extra Services 

message: Can someone check the network map please.
Unless I'm reading it incorrectly, it seems to imply that 'Heath Low Level' includes an interchange onto the Valleys lines marked 'To Pontypridd' which it doesn't.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craigthomas1 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: See right. Captions sometimes do span two rows, but not where it would mean omitting a different caption. Each of the route continuation arrows has a caption showing where the route goes to. The caption "To Pontypridd" is associated with the  extreme left of the same row - the routes that pass through Llandaf and Danescourt. The line running through Heath Low Level is shown on the line above as running " To Coryton". --Redrose64 (talk) 14:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Network Map - possible inaccuracy 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Do we really need all that detail on which services call at which platforms? It strikes me as more extremely detailed travel guide than encyclopaedia article. If nobody objects in a few days I'll give the section a drastic cull. Thryduulf (talk) 00:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't realised it had got so excessive. Cut away! --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:54, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

text: I agree, please trim most of this section. Verbcatcher (talk) 07:23, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: . I've left a list of a few major destinations, but fairly arbitrarily selected so feel free to tweak that - just don't go overboard. Thryduulf (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Platforms section