Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who/Archive 2

message: We've been getting a number of these lately - articles about characters that appeared only once and whose details are really covered in the articles about the episodes where they appeared and are otherwise non-notable. Rather than creating loads of stub articles and/or duplicating information that is already (or should be) in the episode articles, and then finding ourselves locked up in VfD discussions, maybe it's time to create a Minor characters in Doctor Who along the lines of Minor characters from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and start redirecting. My only fear is that given the 40-year history of the programme, there's going to be a crapload of these entries if we don't have some criteria for inclusion, even when it comes to this list. 
Recently, we've had Pete Tyler, which I tried to get up to a decent level, but honestly, it shouldn't have been created in the first place. We've had Doctor Constantine, which is up for VfD, and now the latest one is Mavic Chen, which - to be frank - I don't see the point of. Thoughts? --khaosworks 09:01, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
:If there is no more information that can be found about a character other than what is (or should be) contained in the episode article then surely we should just create a page with the characters name which redirects to the episode about the article. This would save on a really long minor character list. --bjwebb 14:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That works for me. If there is a bit more to say, it can be added to an article as a subheader. Pete Tyler, for example, could and should be a subchapter of the Rose Tyler article. OTOH Adam, being an official (albeit short-term) companion, qualifies for his own article (just as Katarina and Sara Kingdom do). But single-appearance villains and supporting characters IMO shouldn't qualify for their own articles unless there is something spectacular about them. 23skidoo 05:47, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor characters 

message: Does anyone else think that a template similar to the stub objects should be created to proudly display on the user's userpage that they are a member of the Doctor Who project? I'd be happy to make it, unless amazing graphics are wanted, I'm not god at Photoshop!
TimMorris 19:52, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who user page 

message: I noticed this article when I was looking through the discussion of WP:WWIN. Should we be worried at the moment? --JB Adder | Talk 05:00, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
: It just looks like a rule proposal from more than six months ago from someone who only wants Wikipedia to be about stuff like nuclear physics and Shakespeare (there is a faction of wiki-users with the elitist view that 'pop culture'-based articles - otherwise known as "something-cruft" -- have no place in Wikipedia). I see no indication that this rule actually was implemented and I'm sure it would be widely opposed as it would require the deletion of literally hundreds of articles, many of which have been Featured Articles in the past. I'd pay it no mind unless we start seeing a rash of Votes or Deletion nominations all of a sudden. 23skidoo 12:29, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a spoilerroom, or wikipedia is not cliff notes]] 

message: Now that we have individual articles for each Doctor, shouldn’t we try and get new photos up for the pages on the actual actors with what the look like today or recently? --AEdwards User Talk 17:50 EDT 19 July, 2005
:Sounds like a good idea. I think its O.K. to change the pictures as long as a suitable replacement is found. (Preferably not fair use.) --bjwebb 16:22, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Photos for Actors 

message: Someone created Heritage (Doctor Who). Up to now I've steered clear of the novels for fear of scope creep, but what do people think? Should we get into them? And what kind of format should we follow for these articles? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:02, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest I can't see the difference between having the novels and having articles for the individual Big Finish releases. (Personally I wouldn't even have the Big Finish articles, but that's just a personal view). Angmering 16:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't see the harm in there being individual articles on the books as long as they aren't just a bunch of stubs. 23skidoo 16:14, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

text: If someone wants to write a plot synopsis , why not? I did like Khaosworks' EDA overview, I thought that was a nice idea. The one problem with the novels over the audio dramas, is that beyond the plot there's not much else to say. At least with the audio dramas, you have plot, cast and production crew. If the plot synopses for the books are going to be short, it might be possible to merge them, say 1st Doctor MAs, 2nd Doctor MAs ... 1st Doctor PDAs etc. --TimPope 18:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a lot more familiar with the novels and was sort of disapionted with the audios getting so much attention, so this is cool.  Having said that, I think merging into a list would be good (along with notes similiar to what we have with the tv articles).  --Sean 19:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the novels should be addressed individually as many consider them to be part of the Doctor Who conon. I dont think that small sized articles should be feared as it means the list can grow more quickly and individual articles can convey a great deal more than one overview can. Justin Foote 01:24, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Novels

message: Jason (Doctor Who), Crystal (Doctor Who), Zog (Doctor Who), John (Doctor Who) and Gillian (Doctor Who) have been created. They need to be cleaned up and formatted to conform with the other companion articles. Also, time for that List of minor Doctor Who companions, methinks. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:52, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The John and Gillian articles are desperately in need of merging. Almost 100% of one is a direct copy-paste of the other. And it's unlikely that an article is ever going to refer to one of them and not the other at all. In my opinion, merge them to John and Gillian (Doctor Who) and redirect the originals. Any support?--The Brain of Morbius 01:25, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Maybe we should create The Ultimate Adventure as well.  Would we consider merging the Katarina (Doctor Who), Sara Kingdom, and Grant Markham articles into the minor companion list? Sean 03:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd leave the television companions generally alone. Grant has appeared in more than one story, so he's probably significant enough. This is for people like Catherine Broome, Sir Justin and Gus. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:01, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Alison Cheney? Sean 04:31, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm of two minds about her, really. Technically, she's appeared in two stories, but you could bung her in there without much trouble, I suppose. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:44, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: John and Gillian (Doctor Who) has been created with the merged information and the redirects done. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 05:55, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor companions

message: I have some thoughts for an article describing the equipment and uniforms used by UNIT over the course of time. I think the range of vehicles, installations, weapons and uniforms used by UNIT would make interesting reading but there is really no place for it in the article United Nations Intelligence Taskforce. Dose anyone agree or dose this sound to extravagant?
Being an American I am in the dark about most developments in the new series, so any help there would be appreciated. I would also like suggestions on how such an article should be titled. My thoughts are either UNIT uniforms and equipment or UNIT materiel. Justin Foote 00:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: From where would you get the sources for the article? Aside from the triviality, I'm a bit concerned that this may be original research. I'm not saying yes or not, just wanting a bit more details about the proposed article. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 00:42, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a sub-section in the main UNIT article would do, no?  My collection of UNIT stories is rather sparse, so I don't think I I can help much (Although I'm dressing as the Brig to hand out candy on Hallowe'en, I think that's original research :) Sean 00:55, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My general idea is to based it on only observations from the episodes themselves. I have a complete collection of all the UNIT episodes on tape as well as the spin-offs Downtime and the BBV "Auton Trilogy". Justin Foote 01:06, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that you put it in the main article instead, perhaps under Organisation (there's a bit in there about weaponry already). The rest of us will edit it mercilessly after that, as usual. :) --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  UNIT uniforms and equipment 

message: The latest DWM has this description of School Reunion:
:Sarah and K9 will join the Tenth Doctor and his current companions Rose and Mickey to battle the evil Krillitanes.
Is this official enough to update his status? Radagast 19:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd wait until we have something a little more solid.  If the Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart isn't a companion (on the principle that he didn't travel in the TARDIS, saving only that jaunt to Omega's universe of antimatter), we shouldn't jump to put Mickey on the list either — at least until we know for certain what happens to him in Season 2. —Josiah Rowe 21:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree let's wait till it's official; in the meantime I consider him a semi-companion along the lines of the Brigadier and Mike Yates. However maybe the DWM article indicates something different. As I understand it, Captain Jack was supposed to return in 2006 until the actor became unavailable -- maybe the scripts have been retooled to include Mickey instead? 23skidoo 22:11, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mickey: companion? 

message: Does anybody else think that it would give the whole Wikiproject some great motivation to have our own personal collaboration to try and get an article up to Featured Article standard? I think that History of Doctor Who or Doctor (Doctor Who) would be good candidates, mainly because the're very complete anyways :) Thoughts? Sean 02:30, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: TARDIS might be a good choice, it has been peer reviewed. --TimPope 09:16, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaboration?

message: Just found this last night.  Needs some cleanup, but it's okay.  Any thoughts? --Sean Jelly Baby? 16:37, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Historical characters in Doctor Who]]  

message: Anybody have any idea what this is supposed to be about? There is a Big Finish audio called The Last, but that is clearly not what this article is about! --TimPope 21:37, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hoax article - he also created The Next Life in the same way, gibbering about a new companion named Faust. I've speedy deleted both. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:48, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Last]]