Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 42

message: The exceedingly bizarre vandal who thinks Stuart Clark bowls like Curtly Ambrose (has s/he watched much cricket, I wonder) is back. Could someone other than me revert please, as I've lost my sense of humour with this one. --Dweller (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's been back. Someone else reverted (thanks) and I have indefblocked the sock. I am considering autoblocking the IPs used... presumably if this causes problems it'll be raised through the usual channels. Any wise words from more experienced admins? --Dweller (talk) 17:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've binned his computer for a while. Autoblcok only lasts one day. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 00:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Stuart Clark]] vandal 

message: Hi there everyone. Since we know have a lot of people writing about Australian cricket biography articles [I counted five people who have written FAs or GAs on Australian cricket in this year - a total of 5FAs and 9GAs], and since some people (like myself) tend to work offline or in sandboxes with a book for a few hours and then upload in a large chunk (so it seems), I have created this subnoticeboard type thing, so that people can write down what major expansions they are working on, so that there won't be instances of people spending 5-10 hours writing and collecting information which is then duplicated. It has happened before at WP:GAC that two people spent an hour or so reviewing an article and then had an edit conflict and posted two reviews on the same article among other things. Of course, this shows a good sign that the Australian cricket biography scene is doing well. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 02:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:CRICAUSBIO]] 

message: Two Glamorgan cricketers, one Bill Davies (cricketer, born 1906) (here) and Bill Davies (cricketer, born 1901) (here). Same team, same name, but a long time has passed since I did anything of this sort. These article titles okay with y'all? Bobo. 21:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reckon that's fine. Fortunately this one was known as Billy. Johnlp (talk) 09:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much, I had already denoted Billy as such on my sandbox, and can probably add him to some kind of Bill Davies (cricketer) or William Davies (cricketer) disambiguation page later. Bobo. 12:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a saying that if you hollered down a pit in Derbyshire a fast bowler would come up, ready to play first-class cricket. Presumably if you hollered down a pit in Glamorgan a Bill Davies would come up, similarly oven-ready. ;-) Johnlp (talk) 13:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Davies 

message: This was speedied a couple of days ago on the grounds that it didn't say what the team was, only what they had done. I didn't notice until now since I'm really not able to keep up with WP at the moment for non-WP reasons, but I was a little bit surprised. I've recreated it, though I'm out of practice at editing and it's not a very well-written article.
To be honest I can't remember what the original article said, and as I'm not an admin I can't look. I have recreated it, though, on the grounds that the team played four times at List A level (Red Stripe Bowl 2002-03) and thus seems notable enough for an article of its own. I wasn't sure about categories, as :Category:West Indian first class cricket teams doesn't apply to a LA-only side.Loganberry (Talk) 02:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To see the old version search for it on google, then click cached. . --Jpeeling (talk) 09:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Saint Vincent and the Grenadines cricket team]] 

message: I've had to revert twice today an addition to the Namibia national cricket team article that says they're a South African first-class team. I've reverted it as whilst they do play in South African domestic cricket, they can't really be called a South African team. For starters, they're not even South African. We don't call Ireland and Scotland English teams, and we'd be mad if we called Canada a West Indian team for their brief foray into West Indian domestic cricket. Am I in the right here?Andrew nixon (talk) 21:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template is appropriate to the article, just as it is to Rhodesia cricket team, but the category is admittedly less so.  --Bart | talk page 21:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll settle for that as a compromise, though I still think it is inaccurate. The Namibia national team and the team that plays in South African domestic cricket as Namibia are not really the same team, as they are entitled to pick overseas players in South African domestic cricket, eg. Tatenda Taibu last season, and Jacques Rudolph's brother this year, both of whom can not represent the Namibia national side. Andrew nixon (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clarification however - do we need Gerrit Rudolph and Tatenda Taibu removed from :Category:Namibian cricketers? No big loss if so, please just do so and I'll be happy to accept - I've already updated Rudolph's article to reflect his South Africaninity. I do hope that's a real word.. Bobo. 04:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say they should be removed from the category. I seem to recall doing the same for Dougie Brown a while back. Andrew nixon (talk) 07:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dougie Brown it was, yes, but that was a slightly more obvious one, I merely regret not discussing that at the time. Do as you wish, I guess with Rudolph's only appearance being in domestic competition, this is different to actually representing the side in a match where both teams represent a Southern African or otherwise international country. Bobo. 18:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Namibia, South African team? 

message: Could an admin please see this, this, and speedy close. Closing it myself would only cause a conflict of interest. Bobo. 18:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You need an admin, so it's best to say that in the topic header.  --Bart | talk page 20:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True enough. Thank you for changing the header. Bobo. 21:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admin needed 

message: What do people think about the paragraph that someone has added entitled "A competition in crisis?"? It seems POV to me. I'm not sure that it's true that its popularity has declined further in recent years. I don't think that attendances are notably lower now than they have been for the past several decades. Of course it is effectively subsidised by hand-outs to the counties from Test Match receipts, but that is nothing new. JH (talk page) 18:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: POV, in my view. And even if true, there are assertions here that need sourcing (and how are we going to measure popularity anyway?) Johnlp (talk) 21:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[County Championship]] 

message: Shouldn't this be renamed, perhaps as Civil Service Cricket Club (Ireland), given that the UK also has a notable Civil Service Cricket Club which has played one f-c match: CricketArchive scorecard JH (talk page) 21:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a Civil Service cricket team article already for the UK one. I'd be inclined to wonder whether the Irish club, with only 43 members, meets notability criteria. But it should probably be renamed along the lines suggested anyway. Johnlp (talk) 14:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Civil Service Cricket Club]] 

message: Thanks to the considerable efforts of a number of members of this WikiProject, the Sid Barnes article is close to ready for FAC listing.
Before we go there, we ought to have a Peer Review. And before we do that, the remaining  tags really need to be dealt with. I'd appreciate it if you could take a peek at the article and help deal with them. 
Many thanks. --Dweller (talk) 14:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sid Barnes]] collaboration - update 

message: I just decided Sachin Tendulkar should be an FA. I've done quite a bit of work on the article recently, but I was hoping someone with experience in writing an FA could help me because the article's loaded with unnecessary information and personal views and referring to people by first names etc. Thnaks. Darrowen (talk) 05:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sachin Tendulkar 

message: Hi all.  I need some help identifying the people in this image of the 1930 Australians in England, in particular :Archie Jackson.  In the back row, I have Wall third from the left, a'Beckett fourth,  Hornibrook fifth , Hurwood, sixth and Grimmett seventh.  In the middle row, I have Fairfax, Ponsford, Richardson and Woodfull first, second, third and fourth from the left respectively and Bradman and Kippax second and third from the right.  Seated I have McCabe on the left.  Please add any you can find.  Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 11:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can easily recognise Jackson and Oldfield but some of the less famous players not at all.  I've got a couple of photos of Kippax batting but still can't make him out on the team photo.  Which is he?  --The Ghost | séance 07:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are all listed at the image description now - see :Image:Aus1930Team.jpg.  Kippax is seated third from the right, between Woodfull and Bradman. -- Mattinbgn\talk 13:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you.  I can see the likeness now in one of his batting photos.  --The Ghost | séance 07:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph identification 

message: I am currently working on :Warwick Armstrong and I am looking for suitable images for the article.  In particular there is a Punch caricature of Armstrong drawn by Frank Reynolds and titled "The Lion Tamer" that would be ideal.  The picture shows Armstrong being asked for his autograph by a "British Lion" .  It appeared in Punch on 24 August 1921. I would be most appreciative if anyone could find or create an electronic version of this picture or at least be able to point me in the right direction to find one myself.  Thanks, Mattinbgn\talk 13:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warwick Armstrong Image request 

message: There was a suggestion many months ago on WT:CRIC that an article about schools cricket should be created, but it didn't happen.  There is a lot of information in the main sources about schools cricket so I've decided to make a start but so far I've only gone up to 1700.
The main significance of schools cricket is in the 19th century because of its impact on the universities and thence of the "Gentlemen", who were vital to cricket's continued development until Test matches and the County Championship began and were established.
The new article is therefore one that will grow substantially and obviously any additional ideas and contributions are very welcome.  --The Ghost | séance 07:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a worthwhile, but very large, project - especially as it hasn't been restricted to English or British schools. (I recall reading that matches between the leading schools in Colombo attract large crowds and massive media coverage.) I had considered writing an article on Eton v Harrow, but never got around to it. JH (talk page) 17:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, a very good point that has occurred to me too.  I need to think about the scope of this especially with the essential overlap into university and amateur cricket.  I have a lot of notes that I want to write up and I think I'm going to have to turn this into a historical article about English amateur cricket in general, the schools being the source of all amateur talent.  Schools cricket worldwide probably requires its own category.  Watch this space.  --The Ghost | séance 07:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Schools cricket]] 

message: Who would the Box and Pilch be illusatrated uin a 1843 London newspaper? Adam Cuerden talk 13:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't get your question. Are you looking for details about the people or the artist ? We have a lousy article done by yours truly for Fuller Pilch, there is none yet for Box. If the question is about the artist, BlackJack is the area expert. Tintin 15:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Box's death is mentioned in the article on Prince's Cricket Ground. JH (talk page) 17:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Just trying to upload the files under the right name. But I did explain meself a bit too little. They'll be up in the next couple days. Adam Cuerden talk 18:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: There is now an article about Thomas Box.  --The Ghost | séance 14:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thomas Box 

message: A while ago at Template talk:Australian batsmen with a Test batting average above 50, Dweller raised the issue of whether the template had some sort of minimum runs/Tests requirement. At the moment, there is definitely something wrong with the template, as it includes Phil Jaques but not Sid Barnes. I presume any minimum would be likewise applied to  and so on, so the question is: Should the templates have a cutoff, and if so, what is it? JPD (talk) 18:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Barnes was excluded because he'd played so few innings. From memory, the list was based on Cricinfo's list of top averages of all time* which has a minimum entry level of 20 innings - and Barnes played 19. (*less players still playing today). The rationale for excluding current players was that most (not all) Test players suffer a marked decline in their last years, making comparisons even more invidious than they already are. --Dweller (talk) 10:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Average over 50 templates 

message: In the last two weeks
*Sid Barnes went from 3k to 27k in prose
*Ernie Toshack went from 6k to 11k prose and passed GA
*Keith Johnson went from 0k to 7k in prose
*Bill Brown (cricketer) went from 3k to 20k in prose
*Lindsay Hassett went from 5k to 15k in prose
*Don Tallon went from 16k to 23k in prose and is currently at GAC
*Ray Lindwall went from 8k to 33k in prose
Thanks to everyone for the hard work....Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 07:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sid Barnes is shortly to go to Peer Review. Thanks very much to all who've helped it develop 900% according to Blnguyen's figures! Which article does the WikiProject want to collaborate on next? It should be a relatively short hop to get Don Bradman to FA. Alternatively, there's the main article? Thoughts welcomed. --Dweller (talk) 11:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keith Miller I think. That's the only core XI player who hasn't had a start on. Phanto is working on Hassett and Johnson on his computer I think. All the other core XI players are already past 15k. Also Miller was larger than life, so there is all the stuff about his clashes with officialdom, his RAAF service, in addition to the bags of runs and wickets. Lindwall already looks like it will be 75k, I have only covered about 1/3rd of his Tests and it is already 46k, and Miller was more colourful than Lindwall. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 02:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I think we will need a separate article for the actual Tests. There were 34 matches all up. If you look at Arthur Morris, teh WR run chase in the Fourth Test already takes one paragraph, and that is one day's play. Especially as these Tests were pretty iconic, not even to mention the tour in general. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 02:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy to look at this when we get stuck into the main article. --Dweller (talk) 10:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It should be changed because the tour was in England and 7/522 is inappropriate.  The English say 522-7.  If you want this to be the main article in a star topic you have got to get that sort of detail right.  Tedious, yes, but someone should do the necessary.  Forget about Oz, you were in the old country in '48 (and didn't we know you were!?)  --The Ghost | séance 19:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I have a further point.  You really do need to make the references more presentable.  Having Allen or Harte, p.999 umpteen times is bad presentation.  --The Ghost | séance 19:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably, we're OK with scores in the Sid Barnes article being presented in the Australian form? I actually footnoted it on the first occurrence to explain. --Dweller (talk) 10:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, as he was Australian.  The key is the host country, per JH above.  --The Ghost | séance 07:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invincibles progress report 

message: On this day, 60 years ago, Vinoo Mankad mankaded Bill Brown. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 08:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's funny - I've never heard or read the term "Mankaded" till I saw it here. Could this be a googly/Bosie thing that different parts of the cricket world use different terms for something? Or is it that the term is/was used commonly in England and somehow passed me by? --Dweller (talk) 10:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I hadn't heard it either! –MDCollins (talk) 10:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 'To be "Mankaded" is to be run out by the bowler when backing up too far (named after Vinoo Mankad who did same to Bill Brown in the Indians 1947/48 tour of Aus).'  Taken from here. Schumi555 (talk) 13:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The point always overlooked is that it is really the non-striker who is trying to gain unfair advantage by backup too soon. Tintin 13:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm sure I remember seeing that in the Bodyline mini-series. But I don't think it's ever called being Jardined either! Stephen Turner (Talk) 11:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the series, Jardine did that in a schools' match. Lord Harris then mentions to a fellow spectator that the same thing happened in a University match in some year and he (Harris) was the captain who instructed the bowler then. The latter part (Harris' involvement in a Mankading incident) seems to be fact, not fiction. Tintin 13:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Wasn't that changed to stop a bowler retrospectively appealing if he accidentally flicks the bails off during delivery, i.e. thus preventing the non-striker being run out by the bowler (without intent)? (Just passing comment)–MDCollins (talk) 23:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so.  If it was, it shouldn't have been.  You don't have to appeal do you?  As it stands the law is allowing the non striker to steal three yards before the bowler's let the ball go and that's against all logic and the spirit of the game, just as running out a batsman poleaxed by a bouncer would be.  Trying to legislate every inch of the game is fraught with difficulties and shouldn't be done.  Going against the spirit of the game is itself against the spirit of the game. Nick mallory (talk) 00:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there was a rotten change to the rule so that the bowler can't Mankad once they start the delivery hop, so basically now in the slog overs of ODIs the batsman can steal 2.5 metres when the bowler jumps. It's a horrible disgrace. [They might as well make batsmen immune to LBW outside off stump, these pro batting legislators] They don't run out of their crease in Tests though because if the ball is straight driven and the bowler stops it then the non-striker is about 5m out of the crease and it is an easy run out.Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 07:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mankad anniversary 

message: Sid Barnes is now listed at Peer Review. As per the (brief) discussion above, the new collaboration article is Keith Miller. Thanks for all who've helped get Barnes this far. Looking forward to a successful listing at FAC. --Dweller (talk) 16:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FT drive update 

message: ..are needed. If anyone can get a scanner and "Australian criccet:1918-1948:the Bradman Years" by Jack Pollard in one place (I can't since the library doesn't allow the book to be taken out and there isn't a scanner), there is a picture of his actual delivery in 1946-47 in australia (it's PD). Any other Pd pictures also welcomed.Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 03:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray Lindwall pics 

message: Is the Stanford 20/20 tournament going to be covered on the international cricket season for 07/08 article?Tony2Times (talk) 11:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a West Indian domestic tournament, so it wouldn't belong in an international cricket article. Andrew nixon (talk) 16:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stanford 

message: Usual request - please could someone check the infobox is the correct one and is accurate? Cheers. --Dweller (talk) 11:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. –MDCollins (talk) 12:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She's (appropriately) mentioned in the personal life section. --Dweller (talk) 13:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Phanto?  The page must be haunted.  --The Ghost | séance 07:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Keith Miller]] under way 

message: For heaven's sake, Sri Lanka declaring on 499 and bowling out England for 88 before the close of the third day, is this really happening?  Tell me it's just a nightmare.  What the french connection united kingdom is going on out there?  I don't mind losing but we're not even pretending to compete.  I wonder what Ramps is thinking right now?  Nick mallory (talk) 05:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw a good joke somewhere that the England team needs to find a new Fairy Godmother so that they don't keep missing the ball!  --The Ghost | séance 07:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  England disaster 

message: Could someone with better eyesight than me check whether the Colin McCool in this image is the Colin McCool we all know and love? --Roisterer (talk) 11:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Going by a hardcopy photo in Pollard's Australian Cricket: The Game and the Players, it certainly looks like him. Good find! -- Mattinbgn\talk 11:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is him too but do we have any biographical material concerning his military career?  If he was a pilot officer and he was in New Guinea in 1943, then that would clinch it.  --The Ghost | séance 07:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  He was certainly a Pilot Officer, ending the war as a Flight Lieutenant. Interestingly, the WWII Nominal Roll entry on McCool has his date of birth as 19 December 1916 while we and cricinfo have it as 9 December 1916. --Roisterer (talk) 08:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Colin McCool photo 

message: Contrary to all previous research on the matter, the cream jacket was not a visionary stroke of genius from Kerry Packer . Archaelogists are working on the sartorial implications as we speak....
Phanto282 (talk) 09:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important historical artifact 

message: The FAC has brought up a request of an additional picture of Barnes, to accompany the "Later life" section of his article. Obviously, it would be ideal if this were from his later career as a writer. Can anyone help? Perhaps a book jacket might be a useful addition, as well as a portrait? --Dweller (talk) 10:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are plenty of good photos of his later years in the biography from Smith.  There are two problems: 1. I don't have access to a scanner, although I may be able to get to one on the weekend; and 2. I am not sure what the licencing requirements will be.  The images certainly will not be public domain.  Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 03:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have the Smith book but not currently on me. If possible, it would be great to have the photo of him in sunglasses where even the casual observer can tell he was under a lot of mental strain. --Roisterer (talk) 04:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was exactly the one I was thinking of!  I will try and scan and upload it later this week if someone can give me a hand with the fair use requirements. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Does anyone have the Pollard book "From Bradman to Border" where Sid Barnes bats in Bradman's testimonial with a min-bat?? Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 00:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the picture in another Pollard book: Australian cricket 1948-1995.  Unfortunately, the printing of the book is quite poor and I am unsure how a scanned image will come out.  I will give it a shot this evening and see how it goes. Who is the keeper in the background? -- Mattinbgn\talk 00:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request from [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Sid_Barnes#Sid_Barnes]] 

message: I'm soliciting non expert comments from the USA WikiProject (I thought that was a clever idea... so far, no bites <sigh>) but an expert review at FAC would also be useful from one or more of you. Please be as vicious as you like. --Dweller (talk) 14:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sid Barnes at FAC 

message: I think it's time that Twenty20 Internationals (T20I) are included in the Template:Infobox cricketer biography infoboxes. Players should have these stats more than domestic stats are included. so if someone could come up ith a solution, maybe even to keep including the domestic stats on top of Test, ODI and T20I stats. We might have to add a fifth column for stats. This should probably be really considered. Also including debut T20I, last T20I and shirt number. Please have your say on this. Thanks everyone. Allied45 (talk) 07:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template allows you to have what ever stats you want, up to a maximum of four columns. (to keep it a reasonable size) I'd suggest for those players you have Tests, ODIs, T20Is, and First-class. Of course, for those players who have played a significant amount of internationals, domestic stats could be left of entirely. Andrew nixon (talk) 10:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Nick - 1st class stats must be preserved. If there's no room for both, do not include their T20I stats. --Dweller (talk) 11:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am against the inclusion of Twenty20 stats.  --The Ghost | séance 20:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? We can have four columns with whatever headings we want, so if a player has not played international cricket, or has only played Twenty20 at international level, why not put Twenty20 stats on? Andrew nixon (talk) 20:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: What about a player like Jadavji Jesani, who played a Twenty20 International for Kenya in September, but has not played any first-class or List A cricket? Do we just leave his stats off? Andrew nixon (talk) 21:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Twenty20 remains trivial in statistical terms and would not add value.   Much more experience is needed before that can become meaningful.  --The Ghost | séance 21:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that's a good enough reason to just leave it off. Take a player like David Hemp. His first three columns would obviously be ODI, First Class and List A. So why not put on his Twenty20 stats, which number 33 games, more than his ODIs? The columns are customisable for this very reason, surely? Andrew nixon (talk) 21:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twenty20 International on Player Infoboxes? 

message: This page  lists redlink names which are noted in other articles.  There's a long list of tennis players there, could we generate one for first class cricketers?  Every test player has an article but such a list might help sort priorities for the many first class players who don't.  Nick mallory (talk) 01:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a list at the head of this page. Some clever people who understand what they're doing may be able to transclude our list in that one? --Dweller (talk) 11:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We do have this list Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/redlinks (see To Do section) but it is not in any sense prioritised or even sorted by date of debut, which could be a useful key.  It only goes up to about 1850 and isn't complete even that far.  --The Ghost | séance 20:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most Wanted Articles 

message: There is a variation between articles on the term Invincibles (or is The Invincibles and for that matter, Bodyline and Victory Tests) as to whether it is italicised, in inverted commas or just a proper noun. Is it worthwhile having a clear definition in the WP:CRIC style guide as to what is appropriate so that there is consistency across the board?
Phanto282 (talk) 05:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a style of writing/MOS issue, not a WP:CRIC issue. I'd italicise it, as an informal reference, rather than inverted commas which implies a quote of someone (note singular). It's not just a proper noun, as it's not the real name of the team. --Dweller (talk) 13:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer italics too.  --The Ghost | séance 20:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would it be in anything other than capitals? I think italics would normally just be used for titles of books, films and the like. Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree with Stephen. The fact that it's not the "real" name of the team is irrelevant; it's still a proper noun. JH (talk page) 17:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I also agree with Stephen and JH. Italics confer some form of emphasis, but it isn't always clear to a reader what that emphasis is. Best done by other means if a specific form of emphasis is actually wanted. Convention (including old proofreading standard) is italics only for books, films, plays etc, though other Wikipedia Projects do use them for other things, as I found out when I wrote up RMS Strathaird for our Invincibles drive. Johnlp (talk) 18:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style Query 

message: I've posted a procedural nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Ferrini, and would welcome opinions on the matter, as I really can't make up my mind if this one's deletable or not and want to get a consensus. Generally, "represented his country" would be automatic notability, but does being a member of the national team of one of the weakest cricketing nations in the world qualify? Any opinions welcome... —  iridescent 14:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Ferrini]] 

message: One of our over-keen American friends placed a speedy delete tag on J Wyatt (Essex cricketer) which I introduced last night just before I went off to get well plastered.  Andrew came to the rescue and removed the tag.
I thought a polite explanation of cricket notability might help our American friend and it occurs to me that something like this may be reusable.  If you look at his talk page you will see that I've explained the various cricket match classifications and the fact that the Essex boys are the equivalent of the New York Yankees or whoever.  
Very best wishes for 2008 to everyone in the cricket project.  --The Ghost | séance 10:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A way to help our friends across the pond 

message: Could an admin please restore Akhtar Ayub and Mickey De Boer articles both were recently deleted. --Jpeeling (talk) 20:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mickey De Boer would be better rewritten from scratch; the deleted version had very minimal content and an inappropriate tone. I will ask the deleting editor about recreating the Akhtar Ayub article.  The problem with the article was that it did not mention his F-C career at all. -- Mattinbgn\talk 20:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Akhtar is restored with FC detail added.  I agree that De Boer needs a rewrite—there's nothing in the deleted version worth salvaging. —Moondyne 05:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admin needed 

message: The names for the :Category:International cricket tours sub-categories are confusing. They refer to tours of countries which could be series in the country or of tours by the countries national team. In their descriptions they refer more clearly to tours in the countries. I propose renaming them all to tours in country Y. Ansell 21:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "to" might be better than either "of" or "in". JH (talk page) 21:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: JH beats me by seconds to the same thought. "To" is better. Johnlp (talk) 21:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "To" sounds better than "in" now that I think about it. To is actually used in some of the descriptions already now that I look closer. I chose "in" mainly because all of the individual series articles seem to be named "Country X in Country Y in Year ZZZZ-AA" Ansell 21:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category names confusing 

message: I'm currently reading The Hapless Hookers by Frank Tyson, about the West Indies in Australia in 75/76. In his report on the 2nd Test, he notes that after Holding had bowled six deliveries (of an 8 ball over) he limped off. Tyson then notes that over was called and the next over begun (Tyson doesn't seem surprised by this situation). As I had always been of the understanding that if a bowler is injured during an over then another bowler has to finish the over. Does anyone know of why the umpire would call over rather than require another bowler to finish Holding's over? --Roisterer (talk) 12:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe they forgot the rules? Or it could be that there was a playing condition at the time that said if six balls are completed of an eight ball over, it can be called over if the bowler is injured. Andrew nixon (talk) 12:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Presumably the advent of limited overs cricket had something to do with the change in the Laws. JPD (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Completing overs by injured bowlers 

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