Talk:Herstory

message: Since no one seems to be able to come up with a source for this and it appears to be non-notable, I'm proposing it for deletion. --Xombie 01:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please do not Delete.  It is not that "no one" is able - 'No One" has tried. I am a linguist and I have spent the past week emailing a number of my older lingiust mentors in search of the definitive origins and usage of this word.  It is used widely by Lesbian authors to differentiate their history from that of the general population.  This article is not currently NPOV but I will strive to bring it up to date and into line with standards.  I would like to be given at least a month to rewrite this.  Deleting this before then would serve no useful purpose. Thanks Lisapollison 17:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have added as many citations and details as I felt necessary. Another kind editor or editors had already laid the perfect groundwork for me.  Many thanks.  I believe this article is now NPOV and informative to standards.  however, if anyone wishes more citations or work, please state what you'd like done here and I will do my best to comply. Lisapollison 18:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't understand the point of the two "external references".  These are just links to "Women's history" (and woman's self-esteem) references.  This doesn't have much to do with herstory per se, does it?  They don't use the term far as I can see (but one site is German, which I don't read).  What is the relevance? Phiwum 18:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have removed the two "external references", since I still don't see how they pertain to an article on "Herstory".  If I missed some relevance, please feel free to replace them — and explain what I overlooked.  Thanks. Phiwum 13:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  This still appears to be nothing more than a dictionary definition rather than an encyclopedic article. I fail to see why this word is deserving of its own article, even if it is commonly used. The type of article that it is now (definition, usage, etymology, etc), I could copy-paste and make for any random word in the dictionary. Simple definitions are non-encyclopedic. If this were a new article I would agree that it has potential, but the article has existed for several years and has yet to be fleshed out, it is well past due for it to be merged into another article on feminism or historical revisionism. --Xombie 19:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: Wouldn't Hertory be a better name, since History-His-=-tory, Her-+-tory=Hertory?
Principally yes. But the usual word-play interprets "history" as "his story" (it sounds like "his story if spoken) and so they invented the term "her story" or "herstory" respectively.
:: I have added an explanation of the false etymology of the word to the article.  I believe that any questions you may have about the term can now be answered by the text.
I keep posting Women in Cuba (Herstory)  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cuba#Women_in_Cuba_.28Herstory.29
and some idiots keep deleting it. Go see it while it lasts. El Jigue 1/19/06
The usage in Sisterhood is Powerful quoted in the article appears to be a portmanteau of heresy and history. Шизомби 12:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the LGBT world "herstory" is pretty common and this article addresses the usage of that word. Benjiboi 00:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I am saddened by the reverts of my recent edits which gut the meaning of the article.  The term is NOT a pun.  It is an example of false etymology or faux amis.  If you don't know the difference between a pun and those temrs, take the time to acquaint yourself with them. Taking those details out and further gutting my edit will only help strengthen the argument for deletion since they muddy the origin of the term.  I know some people are dearly attached to the idea that the word is a [pun]] but it is NOT and none of the sources I could find of actual linguists refer to it as such.  It is innapropriate and misleading to keep reverting to the description of the word as a pun.  I put considerable time and effort into updating this article to save it from deletion.  I respectfully request that my last edit on etymology be reverted. Lisapollison 18:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Xombie - there is no credible citation that I can find but there is one User who is bound and determined to keep the word in the definition and reverts every edit that takes it out.  See the history of the edits for more info.  I believe that this stems from either a stubborn misunderstanding of what a 'pun' actually is or, from a determined attempt to undermine the crediblity of the term by reducing it to a joke.  Herstory is a Neologism and NOT a Pun. The terms are not interchangeable and are not even similar in meaning.  if you want to take up the good fight to get the word 'pun' out of this article - more power to you.  it will only continue to be reverted. The constant re-insertion of the word 'pun' into this article should be viewed as vandalism IMO Lisapollison 22:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the term derived from a pun? Reading the word history as his story is a homophonic pun, is it not? Not sure what my point is, but I just thought I'd mention it! :) Martin 14:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: reverts that gut the meaning

message: Himalaya is also gender biased - it suggests that only men can climb mountains. Oh, you don't think so? Then delete this moronic article. Haizum 02:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny point about Himalaya, but I don't think this a moronic article at all. You may feel how some people use the term to be ridiculous, but the point of the article is to explain the concept and its use. It's not a defense of its use. As a matter of fact, the word is often used in hit-and-run vandalism to replace the word 'history' in Wikipedia. Twalls 00:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiktionary this sucker. Haizum 19:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Heralaya

message: Herstory is a term which originated as a neologism. – that sounds quite tautological, on a first read. After all, aren't all terms new when they are created? However, I suppose the idea is to say that it is a constructed term, as opposed to something that slowly grew to use. Is there a better way to word this? /skagedal... 22:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence 

message: There has been in my experience a movement to minimize and delete articles of LGBT interest.  My documentation of our subculture in such things as look alike contests have been called "silly" "unimportant" and "not worthy".  THESE things are part of our Herstory and we must as a community unite.  Please contact me so we can have a "queer army" to help in civil discussions on talk pages with this narrow minded fellow editors. Contact me Cr8tiv 18:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How does it make you feel to know that you're the result of two breeders having sex? You must really enjoy cognitive dissonance. --Haizum    μολὼν λαβέ 18:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no need to project your intolerance onto me. I've never criticized anyone for being gay. I will however criticize hate speech against heterosexuals in the form of terms like "breeders." --Haizum    μολὼν λαβέ 19:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Please everyone let's keep focussed on improving the article only. Cr8tiv, you will probably get more sustained and constructive help by asking for it in a non-confrontational way. Everyone else let's assume this less-experienced user is simply unaware that this blog-like atmosphere does not diminish the need of civility. Benjiboi 01:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Section title removed) 

message: I deleted the word "strident" in reference to the criticism by Ms. Hoff Sommers. The Oxford American Dictionary defines "strident" as "loud and harsh; grating." It is not appropriate for a Wikipedia entry to offer an opinion about whether her opinions are "loud, harsh, or grating." Nicmart (talk) 16:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoff Sommers "strident" 

message: It says in the intro 'mistakenly restated as "his story"'. If I've undrestood the previous debates correctly it seems that it isn't possible to verify that it was a 'mistake' but a purposeful construction. The editor changed 'ironically' to 'mistakenly'. I think it would be better just to say 'restated as "his story". I'll change it for now. Calindreams (talk) 09:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistaken 

message: I may be wrong, but I have understood that the word ‘herstory’ was originally born as a linguistic joke, a spoof – a pseudo-feminist counterpart for the deliberately misunderstood ‘his story’. Then it was picked up by someone who didn't understand linguistics at all.
Pardon my English; it's a foreign language. Harjasusi (talk) 00:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wasn't it a joke? 

message: An anonymous contributor has changed the text to read The term attempts to hint at an alleged "political incorrectness" of the word "history", whereas before it was claimed to be a pun.  His reference is a Reuters article which mentions the term in passing.
I don't think that this is a convincing reference at all, but neither am I sure that the term was based on a pun rather than a misunderstanding of the etymology of history.  Has anyone really found an authoritative explanation for the origins of "herstory"?  Was it coined in ignorance of etymology, or in a bit of knowing playfulness?  Phiwum (talk) 11:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that the Reuters article refers to a list of politically correct terms that was discussed [#Global_Language_Monitor_as_source above].  Phiwum (talk) 12:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the word based on ignorance or wordplay? 

message: I noticed that the Christina Hoff Sommers article shows a publication date of 1995 for this book, while this article shows 1994.  The Amazon page allows one to read the copyright page of the book, and it says copyright 1994, first Touchstone edition 1995 (which leaves the possibility that an edition was published by another publisher).
So, does this count as a 1994 book or a 1995 book? Phiwum (talk) 12:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the correct year for "Who Stole Feminism"? 

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Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 08:28, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately oed & ubc.ca links won't go (and I removed them anyway as useless, with misleading article text which I cannot verify form the source). languagemonitor.org OK. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I think that the link in the first paragraph of "Usage" links to the wrong article.  The reference to W.I.T.C.H. links to the Italian comic.  There is a different article, that I assume was intended, to the Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.44.18 (talk) 19:30, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong link? 

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