Talk:Kurt Cobain/Archive 1

message: The article says that Grohl claims to not know Kurt well enough to determine whether he believes Kurt killed himself or not, but I recall on an episode of the radio show Loveline that he admitted that he believes Kurt killed himself
:Not true.  Carolla asked him hold old Grohl was "when Cobain finally killed himself", and followed it with "or maybe you don't think he did kill himself."  Grohl avoided that part and simply said he was 25.  They never actually discussed Kurt's death. -- ChrisB 01:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Grohl silent as to suicide

message: I don't see how his affinity and relations to other rockers has anything to do with his marriage... T2X
It could be changed to "Relationships and Mariage" or something to that effect--Ninandnirvana 00:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage 

message: Is there are proof of the Boddah thing that appears on here and gets changed now and then? I'd like to see something tangible pointing to this being true, and it should have some exact details to settle this. -- LGagnon 19:43, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
Boddah was an imaginary friend created by kurt when he was young
*I believe (but am not 100% sure) that it says that in hevier than heavan. ill check my copy if i can find it so noone will be able to but something wrong as an explanation--Ninandnirvana 00:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Boddah

message: That is very sad that someone has left a suicide note on Wikipedia. Very sad. 11 years, and still people are offing themselves because of him. People from France (or Canada or whatever)! It is amazing Kurt has had that much of an influence on the world. I feel sad for that guy one guy... but really, he had to post on Wikipedia? Wouldn't a Nirvana forum have been enough? By the way, I believe Kurt was murdered. (www.justiceforkurt.com) Also, one other little detail-- "You can't fire me because I quit" is a lyric from the song "Scentless Apprentice".
*I nominate this for BJAODN.  Anyone second it? Firestorm 00:12, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
*If its a real suicide note than no but if its just a joke then yes. Jobe6 July 4, 2005 20:38 (UTC)
*There is no way that somebody would honestly think that the Kurt Cobain talk page would be the best place to post an actual suicide note. However, you hear about things like Brandon Vedas and the Armin Meiwes case and you have to stop and think "Well, maybe this dude did, in fact, kill himself 11 years behind schedule." Eitherway, verify this first. Refugee621 02:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The French Guy

message: I removed some cats that were unnecessary because he is already part of a subcat.  I have also removed the punk rock musicians category because Cobain was not primarily a punk musician -- he was a grunge musician, and was only punk in as much as grunge and punk are very closely related. 17:22, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
* But Kurt always said they were punk rockers. The media came up with the whole "grunge" thing. No band ever came up and said they were grunge, it got slapped on along the way.
**Agreed punk rock should be re-added since even though nirvana may be grunge (though like stated above they say they are punk) kurt cobain was very punk outside of the band
--Ninandnirvana 00:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: cats

message: This another rumor, but I remember hearing he maybe was thinking about being catholic. Never the less he was a sick soul who took his own life and his music will last for long time to come. This is rumor for all I know really, but I did hear it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Irishmonk (talk • contribs) 06:37, 19 May 2006
:It seems like someone didn't read not a bit about Kurt's death.-Zingazin 19:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  " rumor of possbly becoming catholic " 

message: Do we have a reference for this? It seems unlikely, as Kurt used the name once (in an album's credits) but was never mentioned in the press as having used a stage name regularly. -- LGagnon 21:33, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
:No, born Kurt Donald Cobain, (at least) on Love Buzz/Big Cheese, Bleach and Nevermind (for "Monkey Photo", his name is spelled right where he's credited for "Vocals/Guitar") he is credited as Kurdt Kobain. I guess it has something to do with not revealing his real name. I mean, just look at Krist Novoselic he's credited by his nickname, Chris Novoselic, until In Utero. But your guess is just as good as me... -- noctrun 10:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: born Kurdt?

message: This statement is highly subjective and historicaly inaccurate, i.e. what defines 'music with meaning'? and meaning for whom? and meaning what? In addition 'grunge' was well under way as a genre before 'Smells like Teen spirit' was released. -- Slainz 12:19, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
:Addressed the first part.  I ran out of synonyms at the end of a lengthy rewrite.  But while grunge may have been underway as a genre before Nirvana, it wasn't POPULAR before Nirvana.  Soundgarden and Alice in Chains had modest followings before Nevermind broke, but neither were considered anything more than an extension of the Headbanger's Ball crowd. -- ChrisB 4:46, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
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Am I the only person who thinks the "See also" list of opiate casualty links makes for an annoying, imbalanced coda to this article?
How does one have too many credits to graduate high school, as it says in the "Early Life" section?
:I know nothing about the American education system, but I assume it means he had too many credits still to get? M A Mason 17:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Music with Meaning??

message: What year/month did he drop out of high school, and did he and his mother reconcile or not? - RoyBoy 800 06:30, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graduation and Mother 

message: Since Grohl and Novoselic were mentioned BEFORE the Nirvana section, they must be named with full name, as otherwise this is bad writing style. I've changed this, yet I do not feel too well with it; I really doubt there should be so many Nirvana references in the 'Early Life' section. Thus there would not be an odd reference to Grohl and Novoselic out of the blue before the actual band's section. just my 2c -andy 80.129.88.61 01:49, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology! (IOW What a mess!) 

message: I could have sworn that in Journals Kurt mentioned something about trying heroin first in 1987, not in 1990. Could be wrong though. Anyone have any idea? Flyerhell 06:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: First date of Heroin usage?

message: Since this article goes so indepth into the last few days of Cobains life, shouldn't the domestic incident in March 1994 be mentioned? I think this was the reason why Kurt couldn't buy the gun himself. Flyerhell 06:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Domestic Complaint

message: This article also neglected to mention the fact that in 1993 or around that time, Kurt's stomach ailment was actually diagnosed as a pinched nerve. During the In Utero tour, Kurt's stomach actually wasn't bothering him all that much since he was finally diagnosed and treated for it. Flyerhell 06:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Any source for this info?--24.20.181.127 06:12, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't think it's appropriate to include this information in the article without an original source: ie, Kurt talking about it in an interview.  I've heard of the "pinched nerve" before, but always as a "possible" cause, not as the definitive cause.  The version I've always heard was that Kurt saw several doctors who came up with varying conclusions, and that several surmised it might be a pinched nerve. -- ChrisB 17:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Stomach Problems

message: Is there a way to found out what exactly was written in Kurt Cobain's suicide note? TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's around on the 'net.  Example -- ChrisB 19:38, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Do we really need a section for Kurt's gear in this article?  It's not even remotely comprehensive, and one parse through kurtsequipment.com shows how lacking it is.  It seems absolutely redundant to contain some nominal amount of information, when that site is so phenomenally detailed.  We've already got a link to it, why do we need anything more? -- ChrisB 01:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Kurt's Gear?

message: In the bio template, Kurt's birthplace is given as Hoquiam, while the article's body clearly states that he was born at Greys Harbor Community Hospital in Aberdeen. In fact, all reputable sources give Kurt's birthplace as Aberdeen. Can we correct this now?--Pinko1977 20:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the confusion is because his parents were living in Hoquiam at the time.  But it's undeniable that Grays Harbor is in Aberdeen.  (All you have to do is look at their website.) -- ChrisB 23:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace Contradiction! 

message: Don't we know exactly what day he died? Why the circa? Ckessler
:April 5th was estimated as the day of death by the Coroner's Office.  We do not know for certain what day he died, but that was their best guess.  (His body was found on April 8th, which is why a large number of Nirvana fans, particularly those who were fans at the time of his death, mark that day instead of the 5th.) --  ChrisB 06:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The date they used on the death certificate is the coroner's estimate.  It's not like there's some magic death fairy that comes down and declares the exact date of death.  They can't be 100% sure when he died, but April 5th is the best guess.  (Take note that the death certificate says: "Pronounced dead: April 8, 1994".) -- ChrisB 21:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of death?

message: There should be some mention of the Pixies in the Musical influences section. They're probably the most obvious influence on Cobain's style out there. There's a bit about it in the grunge article; I suggest using some of that info here. -- LGagnon 00:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pixies

message: With the murder theory contigent came the theory rebuttal contingent, explained notably on the cobaincase site, I believe. I'm thinking it would be fair to represent those arguments as well as the murder theory ones. I can contribute when I get a chance. NeoApsara 21:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder Conspiracy Theory Rebuttals Section 

message: El Duce was hit by a train while intoxicated.  It certainly isn't as suspicious as the "unusual circumstances" description in this article makes it sound.  It comes across a little too much like "he had evidence that Kurt was murdered, and then was killed in what was probably a murder".  Surely some better term can be used.  Why can't it just say he was struck by a train?
:El Duce arrived home that afternoon with a man he claimed he'd just met.  He said they were going to run down to the liquor store.  Four hours later, he was hit by a train.  The man he was with disappeared, and the police were never able to track him down or identify him.  The police ruled his death an "accident".  (Source: Halperin & Wallace, Who Killed Kurt Cobain.)  That certainly qualifies as "unusual circumstances". -- ChrisB 19:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conspiracy sounding El Duce depiction 

message: Is there an actual reason for the article to have been effectively removed? Just says "infobox" instead of an actual article? More vandalism? It says the most recent edit was before 10 this morning, so I put in the version that existed before this revision.    Inquisition 11:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion? 

message: I really see no mention of some of his drawings and collages.  I find some of his work that can be found on the internet pretty interesting, and probably should be made a note of, IMO.  On the "With the Lights Out" dvd, there is a sample of some of his art in some sort of attic or small room all crammed together, some of which may no longer exist or still be in the Cobain estate yet to be released.  Just something I'd bring up for future consideration...
ERic 06:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt's "other artwork"? 

message: We can't use BMI's database as a source.  BMI's data is entered so that royalties are directed to the right place - it's not always accurate as far as composer information.  (It's not uncommon to find titles in BMI for songs that don't even exist.)
But, furthermore, there's no reason to cite BMI.
Nirvana's version and Hole's version do not have the same lyrics.  If Cobain gave the song to Love for Hole to use (it was released while he was still alive), the Hole credit would be accurate, particularly if it turns out that she really did write the lyrics.  The Nirvana version is entirely Cobain-written, so there's no reason for it to be credited to anyone else.
There should be two BMI entries for the song, given its origins.  The fact that there are two serves absolutely zero purpose in the article. -- ChrisB 20:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: BMI / "Old Age"

message: Grant also notes that the official report does not distinguish the questionable lines from the rest of the note, and simply concludes that Cobain wrote the note.
This is just silly: the lines were technically part of the note. The only reason they should be “distinguished” is if the reader found them questionable. This worded way POV. I’m still trying to figure out why Kim saying that in an interview is in any way notable.
This whole thing is still in desperate need of a POV tag, due to the way it is written and that if omits less-than-credible elements of the numerous murder conspiracy theories. NeoApsara 16:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obscure line 

message: The "guitarist" template is not appropriate here.  Cobain was known as a guitarist, but he was also prominently (if not better) known as a songwriter.  No doubt that if Rolling Stone decided to put together a list of the greatest songwriters of all time, he would be in the upper echelon as well (if not ranked higher).  The guitarist template is reserved for musicians who are MAINLY known for their being a guitarist - Cobain is not MAINLY known as a guitarist.  He is a guitarist, yes, but it was not his primary function in the band.
And, if it's filled out properly, the only difference between the "guitarist" template and the "musical artist" template is the "notable guitar" entry.  Cobain used several different guitars; he wasn't "best known" for the 61 Fender Mustang beyond any other.  Picking one guitar to be his "notable" guitar is wholly inappropriate and POV.
And please stop moving the picture of young Cobain to the top.  I have no idea which Wikipedia template you're using, but it makes the page look absolutely ridiculous in the standard template.  The wrapping gets thrown completely out of whack, it screws up the section break, and the "Edit" button for that section gets jammed down the page. -- ChrisB 16:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

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