Talk:Pannonian Rusyn

message: Ok Juro, I see that we still have a dispute about classification of this language, so, I will quote here my sources, which claim that it is a Western Slavic language. Also, I like that you quote your sources too, but only those which speak about Pannonian Rusyn language, not about Rusyn language in general. So, here are some of my sources.
* 1. A Ethnologue edition from 2000, which consider this language a "Eastern Slovak, Sarish dialect".
* 2. Ranko Bugarski, Jezici, Novi Sad, 1996. A very good book about languages of the World, and especially languages of former Yugoslavia. Pannonian Rusyn is classified here as western Slavic language.
* 3. Stevan Konstantinović, Priče o Rusinima, Šid, 1995. Here is the quote about Pannonian Rusyn language from this book: "It is closer to western Slavic languages, but it also contains some elements of eastern Slavic languages, as well as linguistic influences from Hungarian, German and Serbian."
* 4. Vladimir Kirda Bolhorves. Na debelom ledu, Beograd, 1996. The author of this book is a Pannonian Rusyn himself. He do not say here is Pannonian Rusyn western or eastern Slavic language, but he say that it is different from both, northern Rusyn and Ukrainian, and that Pannonian Rusyns do not understand very well these two languages.
Now, please cite your sources which claim that Pannonian Rusyn is eastern Slavic. PANONIAN (talk) 18:06, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Classification again

message: Yes, just as in most other languages written with Cyrillic letters, the letter ь does not occur word-initially, so consequently there is no need for a capital Ь in normal sentences. But whenever a word containing ь is written completely with capitals, Ь is used, of course (e.g. ВEЛЬКА НOЦ).  In contrast to this, there are letters really occurring only as small letters, like German ß, which should be capitalized as SS (e.g. weiß - WEISS; although you can nowadays often read WEIß, which is wrong, however).  Therefore I think this note about ь occurring only as a small letter is not quite correct and too irrelevant anyway.  (By the way, the same applies to Ы/ы, too.) --Daniel Bunčić 05:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital Ь 

message: I'm sure, Pannonian Rusyn is basically Ukrainian dialect. The Transcarpathian dialect ("Rusyn language") is a dialect of transition between Ukrainian and Slovak. Serbs in Vojvodina cannot know this problem, so the Pannonians can be written there as Slovaks or Ukrainians. It's a pity. But I think, it's aberation to proclaim Pannonian Rusyn an independent language. Serbian Ukrainians are Greek-Catholics, they write in Cyrillic, the difference between their dialect and literary Ukrainian is not so big. I read many sites of Pannonians on net (in "Pannonian Rusyn") and can give you a large grammatical and lexical description of this dialect. It's very easy. I'm sure, the Pannonians, even educated as "independent Rusyns", understand literary Ukrainian very well and see their dialect is a part of it.
On the other hand, Slovak and Ukrainian are very simily, - many slavists think, the Slavic classification (Eastern, Western and Southern) is pure geografical. So, many grammatical and lexical processes are the same.
And the last. To PANNONIAN: What political interest do Ukraine have in Serbia to name "Rusyns" as Ukrainians?! To occupy Vojvodina? :))) I don't think, it's an argument. Ukraine has no interests in Serbia, but it's normal, when Ukrainians are named Ukrainians, not "Rusyns", "Lemkos", "Boikos" and so on. 
I think, it's political game of some politicians inerested in a dissolvation of Ukrainian nation and separatism in Transcarpathia. That's why separatists write their language would be Slovak, not Ukrainian, their orthography would be with -ский not -ський - to create an artificial difference with Ukrainian. Здається, комусь це дуже подобається :((Ilubianov 08:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First, this is not article about (northern) Rusyn language spoken in Ukraine and Slovakia but about completelly separate different language spoken only in former Yugoslavia and nowhere else. The only thing that this language share with northern Rusyn is a name and therefore the classification of northern Rzsyn language is simply not relevant for this article. In Vojvodina also live ethnic Ukrainians who speak Ukrainian, which is different from Pannonian Rusyn (both languages are used in local media), and in all clasiffications that I saw so far Pannonian Rusyn is classified as western Slavic because most of its features are western Slavic. It also have some eastern and southern Slavic features and it is called "Slavic Esperanto" by some linguists. So please, do not mix Pannonian Rusyn with northern Rusyn. PANONIAN (talk) 21:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainian or Slovak dialect? 

message: When was Rusyn prohibited in Ukraine in the past? Are there any scholarly sources for this statement? I do know that literary Ukrainian, i.e. the use of Contemporary Ukrainian orthography was not allowed by the Trans-Carpathian administration in the period between the wars, but have never come across any evidence of Risyn being prohibited in Ukraine. 21:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prohibiiton in Ukraine 

message: So, if I understand well, there is no obstacles for creation Pannonian Rusyn Wikipedia? -- Bojan  05:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not extinct, has grammar books, orthography...I suppose the only obstacle are the lack of Rusyn-language contributors willing to participate on such noble task. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 09:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pannonian Rusyn Wikipedia 

message: I tried to edit the other Languages links but I didn't get it and there's no preview function, so screw it, I don't wanna mess things up. Here's the corresponding french article. Someone who knows what he's doing will take care of it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Account245424 (talk • contribs) 07:46, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  French article 

message: In Template talk:Lang#rsk for Pannonian Rusyn, we are having a discussion about the right titles for this article and Ruthenian language considering the ISO documentation.
You can join if you think you can contribute.
--Error (talk) 20:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles 

message: No Yugoslavia originated from scythians 169.0.150.5 (talk) 22:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian language was Yugoslavia