Talk:Passive smoking

message: I propose to merge Sidestream smoke into this article because everything that needs to be covered about sidestream smoke is also covered in this article. Needforspeed888 (talk) 20:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree, except that Passive smoking, at 137k, is WP:TOOBIG and so having a separate article is warranted. Klbrain (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Closing, given the uncontested objection with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 10:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: With an increase in literature on third-hand smoke, the dichotomy between active and passive smoking seems less relevant. As such, I'd propose changing the beginning term to secondhand or second-hand smoke, which would move to passive smoking to one of the alternate terms. AdequateNBAfan (talk) 01:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title change proposal 

message: the article introduces "passive smoking" but continues "secondhand smoking" c.f. Effects - there is no continuity Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 19:21, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "secondhand smoke" refers to the smoke itself, while the term "passive smoking" refers to being subjected to the smoke. Hope that explains things. Anyway, that is no reason to move the article away from the WP:COMMONNAME. Sjö (talk) 19:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Second hand smoke is also common: as I indicated "smoking" is the action part of the subject - which is a generalized concept: smoking smoker (1) but means to ignite tobacco to make smoke to inhale for drug-use (2). So 1 is taken to mean 2. This I think is obvious and without contention. "Passive smoking" isn't therefore a fusion of two ideas successfully but is a confusion of the idea of (1) as I have shown, that by the fact of passive, no action smoking is occuring. Wouldn't you agree? whether or not "passive smoking" is the commonest version, which I'm not stating it isn't (although I don't see you've provided any indication of proof currently to support your claim).  Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 22:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

text: The participation in the habit-activity of the consumption of tobacco for it's psychoactive effects is by the application of  sufficient heat to cause a state of ignition where-by smoke is created = smoking. Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 22:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

text: I can not understand what it is you are trying to say or what your argument is. But i guess that it is based on an etymological fallacy; since "to smoke" is an active action where someone lights tobacco and inhales the smoke that means that any phrase that contains the verb "smoke" must use "smoke" in exactly that meaning. That is incorrect, and language does not work that way. Sjö (talk) 05:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

text: An administrator reverted my response for legitimate reasons (as is shown in policy): User talk:Simpul skitsofreeneea#December 2023 Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 02:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

text: With regards to 19:21 "no continuity": this makes the introductory concept not the subject of the article - therefore a way to improve would be to impose "passive smoking"  as the continuation instead of "second hand smoking" - the intro different to the contents term is conflictual for the reader. Evidently  "As of 2003, "secondhand smoke" was the term most used to refer to other people's smoke in the English-language media." if true does indicate by your argument WP:UCRN the article needs to be renamed. Although the relevant editor distorted the source so I deleted.  Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 02:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  page move 

message: The redirect Passive inhaling of tobacco smoke has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Sjö (talk) 10:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Passive inhaling of tobacco smoke]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]