Talk:Subdivisions of Buenos Aires

message: Huston, we have a problem. The city is divided first in 15 Comunas and then 47 in barrios. This is not explained and there's no map representing this. legislatura.gov.ar has some info about it. Mariano(t/c) 13:19, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: barrio is translated as neighbo(u)rhood. i would move the article Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Barrio" for porteños is like "Boroughs" for New Yorkers... It is a very distinct word that conveys historic and traditional meanings... I would leave it, although a translation might be in order. --Sebastian Kessel Talk 23:36, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: on www.todotango.com in the english section it is allways translated as neighbourhood. I never saw bourough on any tango-related page. Of course translation would need explanation, because neighboudhood may have other conotations depending where one comes from. I will look in english-language tourist material Tobias Conradi (Talk) 16:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the easiest translation, and does mean neighborhood. What I meant is that you would never hear a New Yorker refer to "Brooklyn" as a "neighborhood", it is a "Boro'" or a "Borough". --Sebastian Kessel Talk 17:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That isn't the point. New York is in an English speaking country and borough is an English word. Barrio is a Spanish word. This is the English wikipedia. But it would be better to use "district" because neighbourhood is never used as an official designation in English speaking countries and can then be reserved for informal districts, which are often smaller than official subdivisions. Rhollenton 21:25, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: article name

message: Parque Chas is a barrio, since 8-23-2005
:It's a good thing. Was there an official ceremony? Did they manage to leave? :-) elpincha 05:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reference Parque Chas: barrio N° 48 Mariano(t/c) 09:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  48 Barrios 

message: Catalinas Sur is used (quite rarely) for the lowlands south of San Telmo (notably the area around Cosme Argerich hospital and at the bottom of Parque Lezama).
South Catalinas (Catalinas Sur) aren't in the south of San Telmo. Is in the North of La Boca. Lezama Park (Parque Lezama) divided 3 neighborhood: La Boca, San Telmo and Barracas. San Telmo at the north, La Boca at the Norh-west y Barracas at the North-east. So, Catalinas Sur it's like a "closed neighborhood", in other words, a small section of La Boca, as if it were a neighborhood-satelyte.
Another thing, Once -eleven- (for September 11th -Once de Septiembre-), is the comercial district in Balvanera, why only use Balvanera for the residential part. Palermo and other neighborhoods they have "small districts", how Oldest Palermo (Palermo Viejo), Palermo Hollywood, Palermo Soho.
For any questions, i'm a citizen of La Boca, Capital Federal (Buenos Aires City)
Sorry for my english201.250.56.40 (talk) 03:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Catalinas 

message: ...is missing Parque Patricios, south of San Cristóbal. I don't know how to fix it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.190.185.246 (talk) 00:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interactive Barrio map 

message: "Barrios and Communes of Buenos Aires" - this is a complete fake. There is no such thing as "Barrios and Communes". There are either
* neighbourhoods and communes
* barrios and comunas
but never ever 
* this is one combined thing, as indicated by upper case "Communes"
* the mixture of English and Spanish will gain a price in English text writing
Eldizzino (talk) 23:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title is bad 

message: *Barrios and Communes of Buenos Aires#Neighbourhoods → Neighbourhoods of Buenos Aires
*Barrios and Communes of Buenos Aires#Communes → Communes of Buenos Aires
:Note: Barrios and Communes of Buenos Aires could be moved to Subdivisions of Buenos Aires. This 
:* solves the problem of what to do with "Barrios and Communes of Buenos Aires" after the split
:* the new target can become an overview article about all other subdivisions
:Eldizzino (talk) 17:18, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Eldizzino has been trying to split this page, so I'm going to set up the discussion the proper way. Please feel free to discuss and vote below. If I've set this up incorrectly, feel free to fix it. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

text: "left a huge mess" - any example? Eldizzino (talk) 03:09, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , this is standard practice for Tobias Conradi, there's a lot of stuff that might just be better moved back as it's unlikely that incoming links have been cleaned out. —SpacemanSpiff 14:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Eldizzino - It is unclear what is meant by "subdivisions" and the distinction between barrios and comunas, while there is only a disambig link to barrios. There is also no explanation made between Buenos Aires, Greater Buenos Aires and the Province of Buenos Aires (as is the case with almost any article on Buenos Aires) - though for Argentines this difference is obvious, it is not easy to understand for other people. Just try and put yourself in the position of someone who is not from Argentina or Buenos Aires and who is trying to find out more and you will realise that these articles would leave those people more confused than they were before they read them. Also, after the split, there are many links pointing here which should be pointing to the barrios page and vice-versa, which would obviously cause further confusion. Like I said, try and imagine that you're from another country and then all the issues will become apparent. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 15:42, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If I can make a suggestion: the use of a sidebar-type template showing the different articles showing divisions in the City of Buenos Aires, Greater Buenos Aires and Province of Buenos Aires and then within each of these articles, a more clear explanation specifying what type of division they are referring to and where (province, city or conurbation). That way if someone finds themselves on an article that they were not looking for, they can realise that straight away and then find the appropriate article using the sidebar. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 18:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split proposal 

message: :User:Eldizzino has been trying to split this page, so I'm going to set up the discussion the proper way. Please feel free to discuss and vote below. If I've set this up incorrectly, feel free to fix it. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background 

message: To me, a Barrios/neighbourhood and a Commune seem like completely different things. Whilst the article as whole needs better sourcing, I think a split isn't going to make the articles worse, and currently it's just 2 separate tables and no interlinking anyway. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:14, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: * Support. The two sets are on different levels. It is like having U.S. states and U.S. counties in one article. The neighbourhoods are several decades older, at least in 1968 the barrios seem to have existed as administrative entities.  The communes are only a creation of the 2nd millennium. Eldizzino (talk) 00:23, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Votes 

message: Comment - User:Eldizzino, Joseph2302 and User:BD2412 - While this is probably a good move, it's left a huge mess which needs to be tidied up pretty urgently and should have been planned before making the split. The individual neighbourhoods point to different articles and there's no clarifications or distinctions between the three articles which now exist explaining the difference between the three. Basically, users won't be able to find the articles they're looking for or if they do find an article they won't really know what they're looking at. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 03:02, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "left a huge mess" - any example? Eldizzino (talk) 03:09, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , this is standard practice for Tobias Conradi, there's a lot of stuff that might just be better moved back as it's unlikely that incoming links have been cleaned out. —SpacemanSpiff 14:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Eldizzino - It is unclear what is meant by "subdivisions" and the distinction between barrios and comunas, while there is only a disambig link to barrios. There is also no explanation made between Buenos Aires, Greater Buenos Aires and the Province of Buenos Aires (as is the case with almost any article on Buenos Aires) - though for Argentines this difference is obvious, it is not easy to understand for other people. Just try and put yourself in the position of someone who is not from Argentina or Buenos Aires and who is trying to find out more and you will realise that these articles would leave those people more confused than they were before they read them. Also, after the split, there are many links pointing here which should be pointing to the barrios page and vice-versa, which would obviously cause further confusion. Like I said, try and imagine that you're from another country and then all the issues will become apparent. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 15:42, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If I can make a suggestion: the use of a sidebar-type template showing the different articles showing divisions in the City of Buenos Aires, Greater Buenos Aires and Province of Buenos Aires and then within each of these articles, a more clear explanation specifying what type of division they are referring to and where (province, city or conurbation). That way if someone finds themselves on an article that they were not looking for, they can realise that straight away and then find the appropriate article using the sidebar. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 18:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further discussion