Talk:The Two Cultures

message: The article Sciences and Humanities has been redirected to here. Should this be so? I don't think such a broad topic should be coming to here (though it is relevant to here) and maybe a disambiguation page at "Sciences and Humanities" should be better. Witty lama 00:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That redirect seems wrong, but on the other hand, I don't know should be at sciences and humanities - it's such a broad, yet vague, title. A list of all science and humanities articles? - that would be ridiculously long and unnecessary. An essay? Not encyclopediac. ??? - DavidWBrooks 13:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Seeing the red link I just created due to an error in capitalization, which I hadn't noticed, I'd say the existing article should be deleted, since it reads like the title of something with that capital "H". Nothing links to it (it was only created yesterday), so I may delete it unless anybody objects. - DavidWBrooks 13:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. Go ahead. I think "science and humaities" should go to humanities (which by the way is this weeks collaboration). Witty lama 12:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's pfffft. - DavidWBrooks 14:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that such a broad topic should not be redirecting to any specific work.  However, saying that "science and humanities" should redirect to "humanities" is absurd.  I really don't mean to offend anyone or to sound overly strident, but such a POV seems obviously biased in favor of the humanities.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farlsbarkley (talk • contribs) 03:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You do realize that you're responding to a discussion which is almost four years old? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 04:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sciences and Humanities 

message: I concur with the recent reversions. The linked page has a tenuous connection to the article. JJL 03:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shakespeare Link 

message: "In Mill's terms, the division is between Benthamites and Coleridgeans." -- There are various references for "Coleridge". For "Coleridgean", http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Coleridgean gives "of or relating to Samuel Taylor Coleridge or his writings". If this is incorrect in this context, please fix. -- 201.50.248.179 13:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Coleridgeans" 

message: Currently the page says: 
: Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge, a 1998 book written by biologist Edward Osborne Wilson, as an attempt to bridge the gap between "the two cultures"
I realize that this is the pose that the book takes, but I think if you actually read the book you'll find that it's not really what it's about.  Wilson is arguing that some day the humanities will be grounded in biology... which is perhaps another way of arguing that the 
humanities will some day cease to exist. 
Or at least, that was my take on the book:   CONSILIENCE_PRIZE -- Doom 02:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  does the book "Consilience" try to "bridge the gap"? 

message: This article seems mainly concerned with criticism of the book / book-series, but omits to summarise the book(s) properly first - the article does not in fact tell you much about its title subject, rather concentrating on reactions to it
Can someone add something here?
frustrated reader  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.136.59.40 (talk) 16:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  abstract missing 

message: The Kimball article repeatedly cited is strongly anti-Snow (Kimball himself being a literary publisher!) - so this is hardly NPOV. Ben Finn (talk) 13:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: I was surprised to find no reference to Jerome Kagan's The Three Cultures here, which builds on Snow's lecture/essay.  I'm in the process of reading it (but it could take months) and when I'm done I may come back and propose/add something, but I figured I'd put this note here in case someone who has read it (or is interested and is a faster reader than I) gets to it first.  Rbgorbet (talk) 20:16, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kagan's The Three Cultures 

message: There is a loose link in the reference list which was affecting the wiki parser, I corrected that aspect but don't know where the reference should fit KhoikhoiPossum (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Loose Link

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Re the passage:
:"...ues on the other one is believed to have had enduring effects in the separation of the two cultures in Italy and to the predominance of the views of (objective) idealism over those of (logical) positivism. In the social sciences it is also commonly proposed as the quarrel of positivism versus interpretivism.[12]"
I may merely be briefly confused here, in which case I may (or not) come back here and try to comment more clearly abt its concerns.--JerzyA (talk) 14:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly is obscure. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:04, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  I may be "[[off base]]" here.... 

message: As the original lecture was delivered on 7 May 1959, I have included this article in :Category:May 1959 events in the United Kingdom. Dunarc (talk) 23:44, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories explanation 

message: A recent edit added the following to the article:
There is nothing in that source related to the Rede Lecture, Snow, or the Two Cultures, and it is WP:OR to connect the two or to say that Cropley's paper is related to the topic of the article. Including this opens the door for editors to add anything related to science+humanities to a topic specifically about the lecture. 
I reverted the edit, saying we need a source that specifically draws a connection between Cropley's paper and the Two Cultures. Note how the preceding paragraph is directly related: in the Estonian president's remarks, he says 
Ping  and , Schazjmd (talk) 21:49, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree that the publication (with 17 self-citations) is not that impressive. Let's see if other editors comment. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: My objection isn't to the status of the paper, but to its relevance in this article. Schazjmd (talk) 22:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree that the publication (inserted by a one-edit spa with 17 self-citations) is not that impressive. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused, , you simply repeated your statement but didn't address the WP:OR issue. Could you explain why you don't think the content isn't WP:OR? Or why you think it's relevant to this article? Schazjmd (talk) 22:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

text: Thank you for this point. It's right that in referred publication Cropley does not quote the Two Cultures in a comparable way to the preceding paragraph. However, the way the article appeals to the education system bears a lot of resemblance with Rede Lecture, thus the edit was proposed in "Implications and influence" section. On the same note, there are publications with contribution of this author, bringing a direct reference to Two Cultures, such as Differences in creativity across Art and STEM students: We are more alike than unalike, December 2020; there also seem to exist external content in other sources which makes a correlation between the topics. In every case, I may be wrong here and I'll trust your experience and judgement on relevance. Thehumanities (talk) 23:49, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for responding, , I appreciate your explanation. The problem is that this article is about Snow's lecture/essay. We need reliable sources to form the conclusion that something is related to the Two Cultures or was influenced by Snow's thesis. The source you provided does neither.Of your new sources, the journal article only supports that the General Thematic Areas of Baer and Kaufman's Amusement Park Theoretical model is similar to Snow's two cultures of art and science, and the other is to a marketing website (not a reliable source).If you read WP:OR and the WP:SYNTH section in particular, it may make my objection clearer. If we had a source that said something like "Cropley's work on science and creativity continues the thesis proposed by Snow in The Two Cultures" (or something like that), we'd cite that source and mention Cropley. But the mere fact of someone writing a paper about science and creativity isn't relevant to this article, unless we have a reliable source that makes that connection.I know this was your first edit, and I genuinely hope my objections don't put you off from continuing to edit Wikipedia. It can really be a lot of fun once you get through the steep learning curve.  Schazjmd (talk) 00:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Schazjmd, I understand your reservations and will review again the links. It's not discouraging at all - you've been amazingly helpful and thorough with explaining the point. It's a heartening first experience 😊 All the best. Thehumanities (talk) 14:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: After reviewing the discussion I have come to the conclusion that none of the sources suggested are suitable for inclusion in the article. @User:Thehumanities: do you have any connection with Cropley that should be revealed under WP:COI? Xxanthippe (talk) 21:36, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Xxanthippe. There's no connection - I found the work of his when researching the subject. Thehumanities (talk) 08:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your response. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explaining my objection to the Cropley edit