Talk:Panagiotis Kone

message: I've added a dubious tag about his family background (this father&mother claim is still wp:or). Since a number of references are contradicting each other it appears that the issue isn't clear. Until a decent reference is brought, per wp:BLP, this part should be avoided.Alexikoua (talk) 23:05, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Per this [] he self declared: "all of my relatives are Greek, whether they live in Albania or not". It seems clear that there is a contradiction among the reference about this issue. I'll remove this part per wp:blp.Alexikoua (talk) 13:00, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is the original source in italian? I've seen the press conference in Italian, and in it he never talks about any relatives.37.46.188.80 (talk) 12:45, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the problem, and here in ref. #2[] he clearly declares that all of his relatives (mother and father are considered relatives too) are Greek, whether they live now in Albania or not.Alexikoua (talk) 17:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Tirana is the capital, a number of minority member resides there too. In case you can't refute his comments about his relatives' ethnicity per wp:BLP, this needs to go. There are some additional rules about biographies of living persons, especially when the person declared something different or contradicting.Alexikoua (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He didn't mention his father except that he was an Albanian biolog that was welcomed in Greece.Maybe he was talking about his mother's side.We can't edit it.User:79.106.109.164 10:15, 30 June 2024  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.106.109.170 (talk)  
Would the involved editors please read WP:BRD and not keep reverting to there preferred version before a consensus is reached here. That is called WP:EDITWARRING and will only get the page protected from non admins editing it. The references given seem to me to show that he considers himself Greek, and convention on Wikipedia for sportsman is that the nationality he represents internationally is used. As for his family, the refs all say they consider themselves Greek - no reference explicitly state his mother does not consider herself Greek. Nationality is a complicated issue - especially in this area where people often have allegiances that do not match the current political boundaries.  The editor(s) pushing the Albanian nationality need to provide WP:reliable sources that back up their view rather than just making unsourced claims.  Regardless of that, linking to List of Albanians in the lead is totally irrelevant - it adds nothing to the article anyway. noq (talk) 23:28, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He feels Greek.That doesn't mean that he is.He sad that his father was Albanian.See references 1,3.He said  i never denied my origin.In the other refernece he said that he feel more greek and his father was a albanian biolog that was welcomed in Greece.Is it a problem of being half Albanian.You just edited Greeks in Albania.I agree about that cause he is half greek. User:79.106.109.164 9:23, 1 July 2014  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.106.109.170 (talk)  
 He was born in Tirana, to ethnic Greek parents. His family moved to Greece when he was a child. He represents Greece, and has said that he solely feels (identifies) as Greek. Please refrain from original research.--Zoupan 22:56, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:   Regarding Kone's ethnicity: Kone released a statement today, commenting on a picture of him (the picture is here) that was seen on the internet, that shows him making an Albanian salute (linked with Albanian nationalism). The press release (it's in Greek) reads:[...]"Ποτέ δεν έκρυψα ότι είμαι αλβανικής καταγωγής. Αυτό θα ήταν ασέβεια προς την πατρίδα των γονιών μου και πολλών συγγενών μου. Είμαι και Έλληνας πολίτης. Στην Ελλάδα μεγάλωσα, εκπαιδεύτηκα, έμαθα ποδόσφαιρο. Στη χώρα που υποδέχτηκε την οικογένειά μου και την οποία τιμώ όπως μπορώ."[...]. The English translation would be: [...]I have never hidden that I am of Albanian ancestry. That would be disrespectful towards the country of my parents and many relatives of mine. I am also a Greek citizen. I grew up, trained and learnt football in Greece. It's a country that welcomed my parents and a country that I honour in any way I can.[...]. This statement contradicts, previous references. It's also a direct statement of Kone considering his ethnicity. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 11:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see a declaration of ancestry. In fact "αλβανικής καταγωγής" can also mean "originating from Albania". This doesn't mean that Kone's family aren't members of the Greek minority of Albania, escpecially when taking into account the additional inlines which are already present in the article about Kone's self-declaration of ethnicity the case is far from being clear.Alexikoua (talk) 15:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  You clearly distort Kone's own saying. His statement is as clear as it gets: "Είμαι αλβανικής καταγωγής" -> "I am of Albanian ancestry/descent". "Κατάγομαι από την Αλβανία" -> "I'm originating from Albania". There would be no need to state that he also has a Greek citizenship. No matter what the previous indirect statements on his ancestry were, this is a direct statement about himself, and IMHO it supersedes thee previous. Additionally we shouldn't confuse ancestry with national self-identification. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 23:42, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's clear that when someone states in Greek I'm "of X origin" (καταγωγή) this doesn't necessary mean ethnicity (εθνικότητα). Even if we assume this concerns ethnicity as you claim then his last statement condradicts a number of older direct statements about his ethnic background. I wouldn't object to present all available data.Alexikoua (talk) 05:56, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: He didn't state that he's a Greek of Albanian origin. He said he is a Greek citizen of Albanian descent/ancestry. Do you think that an ethnic Greek from Albania would take a picture making a salute which is clearly connected with Albanian nationalism? I think I would post this to Greece and Albania wikiprojects to get more people involved to this discussion. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 06:42, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

text: Sorry guys, but this "controversy" is hilarious. :) I hear this Kone guy is an Orthodox from the Korca area, is that right ?Resnjari (talk) 16:38, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree on your first thought. I can't confirm the Korca connection.Alexikoua (talk) 09:43, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

text: Another similar exmaple is Luan Shabani or Leonidas Sabanis, whose family hail from Korca and they are Muslim Albanian speakers. Just goes to show, these things are quite funny. I wonder with Kone, one day will it be said he is an Arvanite (considering that some kind of dual identity is going on here) ? Just a thought (For those out there just in case, don't take it seriously !). All in good fun...Resnjari (talk) 12:27, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Another similar exmaple is Luan Shabani... I'm afraid you need to present something decent to support your claims, else I'm afraid it can be considered funny too.Alexikoua (talk) 12:32, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe. Its all in good fun. Just saying that situations like these are funny. But regarding Shabani, I would have to go into the archive of Albanian TV, in particular TV Klan for that from some years back. Like i said I am not editing Luan Shabani, just saying that some of his family in Albania like frequenting a mosque from time to time. Luan felt what he felt. Its the Balkans, identity and religion are fluid depending on context and region. Take vice president Bulent Arinc in Turkey for example (since he is sourced in Wikipedia, by me) that he speaks Cretan Greek fluently. Yet he is the one and only guy in the Erdogan government pushing to reconvert the Hagia Sofia as a Mosque ! If that is not ironic, than what is ? Just saying.... Resnjari (talk) 13:27, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, not few personalities have been unofficially claimed as belonging to another ethnicity.Alexikoua (talk) 13:48, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Alexikoua - you removed fully referenced material on his ethnicity  due to a non-existent 'bad translation.' I am putting the reference and source back. If you remove it again, we can start a proper process. I am not Albanian, but the player has a right to say what he feels his identity is.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.19.4 (talk) 12:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

text: The article already states that he is an ethnic Greek from Albania, thus that fact that he is "however, from Albania" has been already mentioned and it's no news for Kone's background.Alexikoua (talk) 19:16, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: ethnicity

message: Kone is seen making eagles symbol aka symbol of Albania,this was news was spread ingreek and albanian media. Perhaps with this action Kone wanted to show his ethnic origin. AlbertBikaj (talk) 14:16, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps not. Perhaps he just made an Albanian fan happy.--Zoupan 04:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kone makes eagle symbol 

message: Please stop edit-warring. An user is outright OR-ing Kone's quote as him being of Albanian ethnicity, when this is clearly not the case. This POV is pushed by several IPs, most likely the same person.--Zoupan 00:22, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by "when this is clearly not the case"? 37.46.188.80 (talk) 12:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: ...putting words in his mouth about ethnic identity?--Zoupan 13:05, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that what your friend Alexikoua tells you? Why don't you translate this for me: "Unë kurrë nuk jam ndjerë grek. Unë jam shqiptar dhe ju (për grekët) duhet të ma dini për nder që kontribuoj për kombëtaren tuaj"?37.46.188.80 (talk) 13:24, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing more than a weird combination of tabloid journalism and source falsification. You need to follow wp:RS.Alexikoua (talk) 22:20, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to clarify what you mean with "source falsification".37.46.188.80 (talk) 23:16, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone that originates from another country doesn't necessary make him of that ethnicity. To be precise: when someone was born from Albania it doesn't make him an ethnic Albanian.Alexikoua (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If he claims he is, who are you to question it? You fail to see the context because it does not fit your agenda. In the press release he mentions that he's a Greek citizen, why doesn't he say anything about his supposed greek ethnicity? Instead he speaks of Albanian origin/ancestry eventhough he spent a fraction of his life in the country. 37.46.188.80 (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You should avoid speculations of this kind, you have already breached wp:BLP.Alexikoua (talk) 12:31, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In what way did I breach WP:BLP? With regards to the ethnicity of Kones parents, please read the section "Parents ethnicity" in this talk page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.46.188.80 (talk) 12:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You still insist to intentionally translate the text in a wrong way: Let me help you in the translation: []  Έχω ακόμα κάποια μέλη της οικογένειάς μου στην Αλβανία, αλλά είναι όλοι τους Έλληνες (Some members of my family still live in Albania, but they are all Greeks). For future reference a Greek that still lives in Albania, is a member of the Greek minority in Albania.Alexikoua (talk) 15:21, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where did I translate that part the wrong way? And why are you ignoring the two sections below this one? (Parents ethnicity and incorrect translation) Let's continue the discussion there instead. I have provided evidence for my reasoning.37.46.188.80 (talk) 23:50, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You have actually contradicted your own argument by providing a reference that clearly states that his relatives who still live in Albania are members of the Greek minority. (Έχω ακόμα κάποια μέλη της οικογένειάς μου στην Αλβανία, αλλά είναι όλοι τους Έλληνες. Translated: Some members of my family still live in Albania, but they are all Greeks. Isn't it simple? Alexikoua (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: How about you read everything I wrote? Kone was paraphrased by Gazzetta dello Sport: "Dell’Albania conservo qualche familiare, ma sono greco in tutto e per tutto". I dare you to ask any Italian speaker what this mean. Again, read what I wrote below.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.46.188.80 (talk) 23:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Let's put aside the supposed albanian ethnicity for a moment. Are you saying that we should ignore that the Greek website mistranslated Gazzetta dello Sport?37.46.188.80 (talk) 23:50, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The specific source [] isn't a translation as far I see.Alexikoua (talk) 00:07, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: What makes you believe that? It is a translation of GdS. It's from his press conference after he had signed with Bologna. "Dell’Albania conservo qualche familiare, ma sono greco in tutto e per tutto", what do you think this means? 37.46.188.80 (talk) 00:19, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

text: The so-called translation argument to Greek is your personal view. Also note the wp:BPL issues in wikipedia are very sensitive especially when the subject clearly declared that all of his relatives still living in Albania are members of the Greek minority there.Alexikoua (talk) 00:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, stop obfuscating. Second of all, aren't both of us working towards the goal of improving this page? I'm offering an explanation to the contradicting sources. Why do you feel it is not important for you to provide evidence of why it's not a mistranslation? I'd be willing to request someone to translate the relevant parts in Italian in order for you to compare it with the Greek source. Moreover, why is the fact that he declared to be of Albanian descent irrelevant to you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cplakidas#Translation_of_quote 37.46.188.80 (talk) 08:28, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: ...the emphasis is on the homeland of my parents (την πατρίδα των γονιών μου). It is already stated in the article that he was born in Albania and moved with his family to Greece.--Zoupan 09:22, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, why don't you answer my question? Is it possible to ethnic Greek of Albania descent? 37.46.188.80 (talk) 10:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "Αλβανικής καταγωγής" can also mean "I'm originating from Albania", but he clearly declares his ethnicity by saying that "all of his relatives still living in Albania are Greeks". Moreover, "sport-fr.gr" [] isn't a translation as you insist.Alexikoua (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It can probably mean many things, depending on how far you want to push it. From the same source: "Θα συνεχίσω, επίσης, να σέβομαι και να μην ξεχνώ τις ρίζες μου, παρότι αυτό από μερικούς δεν είναι αποδεκτό." I suppose "I will not forget my roots" has a special meaning for you? Since it's not a translation, are you saying that the press conference was in Greek? Also, is Gazzetta dello Sport wrong?37.46.188.80 (talk) 20:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit-war 

message: "His family moved to Athens, Greece, and he has said that he has never faced discrimination because of his origin in Albania". This is incorrect. He's talking about discrimination in Greece, not Albania.
"Origjinën time nuk e kam mohuar kurrë, por edhe në Greqi kurrsesi nuk më kanë diskriminuar" means "I have never forgotten my origins, but in Greece I didn't experience any discrimination."37.46.188.80 (talk) 00:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't seem to understand what his origin in Albania means — his origin in the country of Albania, not discrimination in Albania. He lives in Greece. Btw, you need to sign your comments; you were noticed 00:17, 21 December 2015 about this, then commented over 10 times without signing yourself, then removed the notice 22:51, 21 December 2015 — I hope this means you have understood the importance of signing yourself.--Zoupan 04:11, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: And you need to understand that it makes the sentence unnecessary ambigious. I'm going to bring this up with the admins as soon as I'm able to because it's disruptive editing. By the way, you didn't answer my question. Is it possible to be ethnic Greek of Albanian descent? 37.46.188.80 (talk) 08:13, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've altered it to "never faced discrimination in Greece because of his origin in Albania". Disruptive editing, how? You did not ask that question. There is a large community of Northern Epirotes, and emigrée community in Greece. I would suppose that Kone belongs to that community. If Kone explicitly states that he is ethnic Albanian, it would absolutely warrant a change in the article.--Zoupan 09:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I would argue that "because of his Albanian origin" is the more appropriate translation, because that's essentially what he says in the interview. Anything other than that is OR.37.46.188.80 (talk) 10:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Here's a neutral source that mentions his Albanian origin: http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Bologna/notizie/03-09-2011/presentato-kone-voglio-segnare-parecchio-802734476780.shtml 37.46.188.80 (talk) 10:18, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

text: With regards to the dead link, here's the same interview from another source: http://www.panorama-sport.com/kone-te-qenit-shqiptar-me-bente-te-ndihesha-i-forte-ne-greqi/. Translation: "Origjinën time nuk e kam mohuar kurrë, por edhe në Greqi kurrsesi nuk më kanë diskriminuar. Përkundrazi, sa herë që më pyesnin, u përgjigjesha bindshëm: ‘Jam Kone shqiptari’" -> "I have never forgotten my origins, but I have not face any discrimination in Greece. On the contrary, whenever they ask me, I answer convincingly: 'I am Kone, the albanian'. And because of this they always respected me". In light of all the evidence, it's increasingly silly to maintain the "ethnic Greek parents" line (see contradicting sources below).37.46.188.80 (talk) 10:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: wp:OR OR and more OR. By the way since it's stated that he is ethnic Greek and his relatives too, so I find it too much to add that too. Perhaps it isn't necessary at all to mention his parents' ethnic background.Alexikoua (talk) 21:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: What part is OR? You keep throwing around these accusations without specifying. When I removed "in Albania" you kept adding it back again for no apparent reason. I didn't even write "Albanian origin", I just left he "origin" part (new account).DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 22:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Actually he lived in Albania. I don't understand what's your point for the removal. At least this part does not concern his ethnicity.Alexikoua (talk) 21:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you know he didn't mean "Albanian origin" without referring to other sources? Let me put it this way. Did Kone mean that he hasn't been discriminated because he's of Albanian origin, or because he was born in Albania? DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 21:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

text:  Mind answering the above? DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 13:08, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect translation 

message: does not mention anything about his parents being ethnically greek. Removed per WP:BLP: 
"Remove immediately any contentious material about a living person that:
* is unsourced or poorly sourced
* is a conjectural interpretation of a source (see No original research)"
Moreover, Kone never said "all of my relatives are greek". In italian he said: "Dell’Albania conservo qualche familiare, ma sono greco in tutto e per tutto" which means "I still have relatives that live in Albania, but I am thoroughly Greek." This was mistranslated by the greek source as "I still have relatives that live in Albania, but they're thoroughly Greek." Note: "Sono Greco", and not "Sono Greci".
Source: http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Bologna/notizie/03-09-2011/presentato-kone-voglio-segnare-parecchio-802734476780.shtml?refresh_ce-cp
Why did you remove the OR tag? There is a content dispute here with regards to that specific entry. This is a childish game that you're playing. I am still waiting for you and User:Zoupan to present your arguments here.DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 13:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no OR issue, Kone declares that even his relatives that still live in Albania are Greeks. There is no rule that you should exercise wp:OWN before a decision is taken.Alexikoua (talk) 15:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "There is no OR". Please present your case here. Mere assertions aren't very helpful "When a given editor adds this template he or she must concurrently add corresponding text to the tagged article's talk page to explain their concerns relative to original research for the given tagged text unless talk already exists relative to such concerns. If a given article has been tagged and the tagging editor doesn't ensure that corresponding article talk relative to the tag isn't either already available or added within a short amount of time (i.e., no more than 24 hours) then fellow editors are within their rights to remove the tag or alternatively, add talk in support of its use." I have argued my case several times, not only here, but on noticeboards as well. User:SilkTork agreed that the entry was troublesome. There was imho a perfectly valid reason to add the OR tag. I think my opinion on the matter should be respected too, but seeing that it's not, I will not add it again, because I'm not interested in engaging in another edit war. However, I will use it against you when I present my case (of your disruptive behavior) to the administrators. DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 16:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents ethnicity 

message: Is the opening sentence under the section "Early and personal life" supported by the source? DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 18:15, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, source is in Greek, and the only relevant part is: "Some members of my family still live Albania, but they are all Greeks." DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 18:15, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid that asking for yet another time for input doesn't offer you the opportunity to manipulate the available material.Alexikoua (talk) 19:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In what way has the available material been manipulated? Go on, let's hear it. DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 19:26, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC: Does the source support labeling Kone as ethnic Greek? 

message: *  To prevent being discriminated in Greece he says "I'm Kone, the Albanian"
*  Some of his relatives still live in Albania
*  His brother, Sotiris, owns a bar in Athens.
are all trivia.
And I'd argue that "He changed his name to Panagiotis because of naturalization process" should somehow be included earlier, just after his birth name. Maybe it's not even necessary to mention the "neutralization process". I suggest something along the lines of: Panagiotis Kone (born as Gjergji Kone).... DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 20:18, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No. 1&3 are not necessary indeed, but guess you are kidding me about #2 which should included with the addition "Although Greeks... ", which you are eager to remove.Alexikoua (talk) 21:19, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That piece is a wrong translation of the Italian text "ma sonno Greco in tutto e per tutto...". All Greek sources are copy-paste. Instead of putting "eimai" they put "einai". Intentional or not, I don't know. But the Italian source says "I have still relatives who live in Albania, but I am Greek in all and for all", not "they are Greek in all and for all". A mistranslation is used to derive the ethnicity ok Kone's relatives against the primary sources (Italian ones), and from there go back and derive Kone's ethnicity.--Mondiad (talk) 01:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem to matter how many times I ask questions with regards to this part, you won't bother answering them. For example, which parts of the press conference were in Greek? Why is the quoted material literally the same in Greek media? Is this plausible? Why is the material in Italian media identical (apart from "I am Greek" in Italian media, and "They are Greek" in Greek media). Why did Italian media publish it one day before? You could either answer these questions, or keep being evasive about it and use words such as "conspiracy". I'm not too worried though, I think it will be settled sooner or later. DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 09:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

text: Moreover, why in a naturalization process in Greece someone should change Georgios to Panagiotis, as I know both names are common among  Greeks.Alexikoua (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the Kretsi article i have placed above. Albanian immigrants have been taking on names which they think suits their interests at that moment. Kone's parents may not have known the Greek equivalent of Gjergj at that point in time as they probably knew no Greek.Resnjari (talk) 05:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life Trivia 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The matter of Kone making the gesture of the Albanian eagle was discussed in the past and the consensus was not to include it. However an edit-warring IP will not stop reverting and adding POV material to the body of the article and at the lead. These are the usual edit-warring methods by socks and IPs plaguing these articles. These changes must be reverted as they reflect no consensus and were done by edit-warring instead of discussion. Dr. K. 14:50, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume it's a well known block evading account behind this. Maybe a protection request will solve this kind of disruption.Alexikoua (talk) 05:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit-warring changes by IP