Talk:Beret

message: I think the article is too military-oriented. The kind of impression I got from this article was "berets are mainly military hats, not much else", which is definitely not true. What about berets worn for fashion? I love the part about berets being associated with film directors and painters. Could we build on that information further? (such as why? eg: The post-impressionist painter Camille Pissaro wore a beret. Did the artist/beret association originate from him?).
Also, I even often see young people wearing berets (in particular, the french berets) as a fashion statement these days. Can anyone from the fashion department comment on that? As information about berets is quite limited these days, I just thought that wikipedia may be a good place to store this information.
Would it be a good idea to move the "civilian" uses of berets to the top, and have the military info pushed down a bit? 
Pactio kiss 06:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think most people would associate berets with the military. Some civilians may wear them, but they are worn by almost all military personnel in most countries. That's several million people - I don't think millions of civilians wear berets on a regular basis. -- Necrothesp 14:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fashion side of Berets? 

message: The béret is not originally from Pays basque but from Béarn, a Southern France's area just at the east of pays basque, and was first worn by Béarn herdsmen. It's a common mistake (even in France) to attribute béret's origin to the Basques but it's not true. If someone's interested to correct this. Stymphal 02:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: I have changed "Royal Tank Corps" to just "Tank Corps" and given this a link to the Royal Tank Regiment.  The Tank Corps did not have the prefix "Royal" until 1923 (and this paragraph refers to an incident in 1918) and it later became the current Royal Tank Regiment; the change is addressed in the article for the RTR.
LJade728 20:31, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tank corps 

message: In discussions about polish article we've found that beret was probably used in ancient ages. If someone's interested, please confront this infotmation with Français or Deutsch Wikipedia. Mlepicki 11:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of beret 

message: The Belgian armed forces since 2002 have an unified command structure and consist of four components: Land, Air, Navy and Medical component. Before there were the Army (Land force), Air force, and Navy (Sea force), as well as the Medical Service.
It is thus not correct anymore to speak of Belgian "Air Force" or "Navy", although these terms will probably remain in colloquial use.
See Belgian army official site. (site in Dutch or French)
LHOON 07:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it's incomplete. Most countries use the beret. If you know of more information, it's better that you add it to the article rather than saying the article's incomplete. -- Necrothesp 17:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgium 

message: I've gone ahead and added references where I could, but this entire article smacks of "original research" which is against wikipedia policy. I'd recommend any editors that have contributed provide a reference for the information included here. Otherwise, large tracts should properly be deleted as "original research". The standards for verifiability don't seem to be met for most of the nationalities.Michael Dorosh 18:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree online references are hard to find, but nothing says the references have to be online. Every army has written dress regulations; a reference to those would suffice for verifiability, I think. Barring that, books for militaria collectors would be a prime source. I've reference both these types of sources in the footnotes so far, I would encourage others to do the same.Michael Dorosh 20:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Well, talking about civilian organizations, the main symbol of Hugo Chavez the actual president of Venezuela is the red beret.
:Yes, I think some people's beret are their trade mark, like Saddam and Che Guevera. 130.126.75.181 (talk) 02:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berets in politics 

message: Added some colours, using this site (in swedish),
as a source.
Didnt know how to translate "Gränsjägare" correctly, so I didnt add that one. 213.64.18.236 22:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it doesn't. The word means, literally, border jaeger. --MPorciusCato (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweden 

message: Beret comes from Bearn, close to Pays Basque. Basque people wore berets too, and when the first tourists came by the sea (including emperor Napoleon III) in the 1850s, they used to say "basque beret" and took them back to Paris. But this is not a good reason to insist : never say "basque beret", ok? There are two kinds of berets, just as Good and Evil. The civilian, pacific : black, with nothing on it, any size and worn the way you like (that's for popular and democrat people), large, clean and worn in military style (for conservatives). And the military : various colors, and signs, medals, symbols, see what I mean ; or the revolutionary one, with a symbol like a star or anything else (Che Guevara). Guess how is mine. (sorry, I'm supposed to write in English but I'm not very sure).90.41.59.14 13:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just beret please! Never basque beret! 

message: It has no distinctive place under the header "National Traditions" other than under the Spain section; furthermore, the so subtitled "common basque" beret, as depicted in the first pic is just the same "boina"(beret in Spanish) also traditionally used everywhere else in Spain. It´s the common Spanish beret, not the local variant called "chapela", somewhat broader, and not always black; red chapelas or boinas are also common in the basque country, specially in parades or folkloric stuff.        — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.50.95.103 (talk) 19:59, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The Basque Country is actually a region of Spain

message: According to the trivia track on The Fifth Element DVD, the first beret was seen on the streets of Crete c. 1750 BC.- JustPhil 03:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First beret 

message: The paragraph on the Carlist and Liberals berets is upside down. In the 1st Carlist War (1833-40) the most common Carlist beret was the blue one,although some units wore red or white berets as a mark of distinction. Carlist commissioned officers at first were expected to wear red berets, a practice that made them an obvious target. Some Basque Liberal militia units wore red berets, one of those units was known as "Chapelgorris" (Red Berets), a sort of foreign legion rather warlike and prone to sacking churches. I'm not Basque-speaking, but in Basque songs contemporary with the 1833 war the Carlists are called "Txapelzuriak" (White Berets) and their rivals are called  "Txapelgorriak"(Red Berets). Even in the 2nd Carlist War (1872-76) there were Basque local anti-Carlist constabularies and militia units wearing red berets and Carlist units with blue, white and even black berets.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk) 10:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "http://www.ristre.com/ristreM/Carlistas/Carlistas.html" (Carlist uniforms, 1833-40)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 12:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlist Wars in Spain 

message: I added Bonnie Parker to the list of famous people who wore berets.  I really do think that she is one person who has contributed, directly or indirectly, to the continued popularity of the beret.  When Fay Dunaway played Bonnie Parker in the 1967 movie "Bonnie and Clyde" sales of berets to women shot way up.  In Parker's own lifetime, photographs of her wearing a beret and posing with firearms were widely published, this created an archetypal image for a gun moll or female gangster.  When I see I female revolutionaries wearing berets, I wonder whether the influence is from Che Guevara or Bonnie Parker, or both.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.8.59.45 (talk) 03:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bonnie Parker 

message: Why has nobody spun this off into its own article yet?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.94.135 (talk) 03:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see an answer to that as well. Don't look at me, I've got rabid admins chasing me and can't do a thing with it.76.195.83.35 (talk) 07:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay, the "Berets in the Military" section is too damn long. 

message: What is a beret called in other languages around the world?
The main article could be improved by supplying an etymology, and a few translations, whatever there may be for this unusual world.   216.99.198.175 (talk) 17:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Bonnaid is merely the Gaelic rendering of the Ccots/English word 'bonnet' which derives from the French town of Bonnet, where there was   specialised cloth industry. Possibly boina has the same derivation. I couldn't say.JF42 (talk) 16:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beret in other languages 

message: I think the subject of berets in the military has overwhelmed the rest of the article. Maybe it should be a separate article and keep this one for general information about berets. --Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 16:08, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've completed the split at Military beret. –blurpeace (talk) 19:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Berets in the military" a separate article 

message: I removed the reference to the contra/tuba players in the Blue Devils Drum & Bugle corps, as those players actually wear a leather donegal cap, not a beret.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.244.3 (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue Devils reference removed 

message: The text points out that the French Chasseaurs Alpines were the first military unit in wearing berets. Aside from the short-lived Volontaires Cantabres -already mentioned by myself-, you are forgetting the Scottish army that took part in the English civil wars in the 1640s. Many Scottish soldiers were clad in hodden grey garments and wore a blue beret or bonnet. In the 18th century a blue beret with a white cockade was a Jacobite Scottish badge.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.2.56 (talk) 11:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The blue wool bonnets of the Scots soldiery (please dont call them 'berets'), however,  were not military uniform, merely regional folk garments worn in an era before military uniform  had really evolved. The beret of the chasseurs alpins, while an item of regional civilian headgear as well, was consciously sdopted an element of uniform, to create a distinctive regimental identity (while the rest of the French infantry wore shakos and kepis).JF42 (talk) 16:34, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish blue berets (or at least bonnets)

message: This makes the third time the following edit has been reverted: "Morgan Heck hand-knitted the first beret in 350 BC." - or a statement to that effect. This is obvious vandalism and I will report both the IP address that vandalised twice, and the relatively new username that has performed this vandalism today. Enough is enough. Djathinkimacowboy 20:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morgan Heck's about to get the heck kicked out of him 

message: It´s so by many international organizations criteria, and most of western countries, including the EU countries, USA government, and many Hispanoamerican countries, among others.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.50.95.103 (talk) 20:48, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eta is NOT an activist group, but a TERRORIST group 

message: The black beret is indeed stereotypical French headgear.
Because I'm not British, I know of no French stereotype that corresponds to an "Onion Johnny" ... Because it has no currency among the majority of Anglophones, I wouldn't reference if I did.
Confusingly, the page for Onion Johnny features a photo of 2 onion-laden men wearing wide-brimmed hats closer in appearance to a sombrero than a beret.Vendrov (talk) 05:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but ther’s a lot of pictures of Onion Johnnies wearing berets (see here: ). These, with hats and neckties, seem dressed for a folkloric event, not for work! --Morburre (talk) 13:23, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Onion Johnnies? 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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