Talk:Korn/Archive 1

message: Brian Welch's nickname, fuck that as listed right now, say's 'GayMachine'. This is incorrect and obviously the work of a vandal. Could someone fix it to be 'Head' again. Untill there is an official release of a name change for his new solo album, it should remain 'Head'. Thanks.
Nevermind, fixed it myself. Thanks. 
[November 4th, 2005 05:46 PAC]hello
Hey, guys, I'm not sure, but I think some Korn song is also a part of Charlie's Angels' soundtrack. That song sounds when that girl in a costume of a black man jumps from the airplane. Can anyone prove me right or wrong, please?
*Blind plays during the film, I don't know whether its on the soundtrack CD or not--Undc23 10:33, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Top

message: Given that the band's website is at korn.com, and that they use both the forwards and backwards R on that site, and that every major media source calls them Korn, their albums are for sale at Amazon under the name Korn, and that the article starts with the The title given to this article is incorrect due to technical limitations text, is there any justifiable reason for using the illegal characters in this entry's name? It's completely unreadable in my browser (Firefox), which displays a strange accented D, and it's completely invisible in the most common browser (Internet Explorer). I don't see the point. --Dhartung | Talk 18:15, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it also be fair, then, to say that all references to Korn throughout Wikipedia should be normalized to 'Korn'? On the same page, I've seen the various spellings.  --patton1138 04:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably, but going through all the articles to change it it a big ask. lol. Dead 00:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Plus, you think that when creating the logo, they really thought, "Gee, let's use a cyrillic R, also known as the letter Ya!"  Of course not!  It is intended to be a backwards 'R', no ifs, ands, or "butts" about it.
Unicode isn't illegal in a URL, but only a few browsers support it. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 05:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

text: the point is, keep it as Korn, but we can have references to the KoЯn spelling.  --daunrealist 21:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there should be a brief section devoted to the spelling / Cyrillic letter thing, but in general, *all* references intended to be pronounced as "corn" should be spelled 'Korn'.  Biggest reason: 508 accessibility.  If you have a screenreader, turn it on and have it try to read 'KoЯn'.  It will completely barf.  I turned on my mac's Voiceover, and it just stopped when it got to the letter 'Я'.  Are we striving to be a correct and accessible compedium of knowledge, or are we just a half step away from lame l33t5p34k?  Scott B 09:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: I removed the entire "members" section as it was sloppy, not arranged well, and unneeded.  Band pages such as Led Zeppelin, Grateful Dead, and Pink Floyd don't have seperate images of each band member. --Crucible Guardian 23:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agree.  They need to go.  This is an encyclopedia, not a fan-site, and I'm pretty sure the current layout is against the style guide. MrHate 00:26, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
There's :Image:Korn.jpg - isn't that a better version of the logo? Rd232 talk 22:56, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Is the backwards R really an example of Faux Cyrillic? Just because someone rights a letter backwards that happens to have a corresponding cyrillic letter, it doesn't automatically make it Cyrllic. I mean, if they inverted the K instead, no one would call it Faux Cyrillic.
As I understand it, it's only Faux Cyrillic if the word is intended to give a Slavic/Russian feel to the name, and I don't think that's the intention at all with Korn's name. --Rc251 22:24, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faux Cyrillic 

message: Can someone please tell me why the new album Souvenir of Sadness, which is due out in September 2005 keeps being removed? Wait until you people see what happens! -- Mike Garcia | talk 20:44, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New album 

message: shouldn't this page be at KoЯn? 24ip | lolol 22:32, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Look upwards on page... 85.226.122.194 12:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: bandname

message: i was just wondering if a list of music videos might be added, seen as System of a Down has a list of theirs... just a thought.
:I added them, but I'm not sure it's complete, or in the right order. Feel free to flesh it out with more info and whatnot.--DeadSeraphim 04:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Videos?? 

message: Does anyone have a reference for this?  My recollection is that John Petrucci of Dream Theater popularized the seven stringed guitar well before Korn was formed.  I seem to recall Steve Vai using them back in the 80's as well, but I don't have a reference for that. Antichris 17:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seven strings were almost faded out of pop music before Korn came along, so their use of them kind of reinvigorated the use. If anything, nu metal probably wouldn't use them if not for Korn, heh.--DeadSeraphim 20:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven stringed guitars 

message: I actually heard that it stands for Keep On Running(backwards) N*****
I doesn't, its actually a bit of a disgusting story. (Blastdude 05:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They chose Korn cause it just sounded good at the time. It was just a dumb name Jon Davis came up with - the R is backward because it's meant to look like it was written by a child, not to be like a horror movie - children often mess up letters. Dead 22:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The R in Redrum is backwards, but I agree that doesn't have to do much with it... 惑乱 分からん 18:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: No it wouldn't.  It would sound like "koh-yahn" The backward cyrillic 'R' sounds like "ya" BennyD 05:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What Does Korn stand for?

message: I think the fan sites section is getting a bit out of control.  There are potentially hundreds of sites which could be listed there, but listings do not add much to the article.  Wikipedia is not a place for collecting links, etc.  How would people feel about simply removing the section entirely?  --Hansnesse 15:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be for it. Even those these sites all seem to have domains, it doesn't mean they should be added (which seems to be the main reason these fansites are added in particular). I second having it removed. Dead 08:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan sites 

message: I have changed Korn's genres to Alternative Metal, Nu Metal and Industrial Metal and I have removed Hard Rock - These are the genres of the articles for their albums. if you think i am wrong feel free to change it back... I was a bit confused that Nu Metal wasn't there considering that they "invented" the genre.
~Wuzzie
I'd like to bring up a discussion on whether or not Korn is metal at all. Because they really aren't. Nu-Metal is a fine tag, but to suggest they're anything further than that is kind of ridiculous. --Shralla 16:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: I added a disputed tag to the Violation of Innocence section.  Not sourced and there is no evidence this group exists.  Group is on AfD, if it is deleted, this section should be removed.--Isotope23 20:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, it is clearly a verifiability problem.  I think it is safe to remove it until it can be verified.  --Hansnesse 20:35, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed Tag 

message: Shouldn't the name KoRn be written the same way each time in the article? Either Korn, KoRn, or KoЯn. I think it should. Who eles does?Matt "AgentA" 23:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was decided on a while ago to make it 'Korn', as that's how it appears in artists catalogs and whatnot, but random people keep coming through and changing it to KoRn or KoЯn when they see it spelt Korn, so it's hard to keep up.. Dead 00:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. I'll keep a watch for it I suppose. Matt "AgentA" 02:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name throughout article 

message: I just removed the entire fanlinks section. My justification was, no other comparable (Slipknot, Disturbed, etc) bands have fanlinks sections, let alone more fanlinks than official links and this section was out of control. I've tried to clean it up before, but people randomly add their own sites to it again and again, even after their changes are hastily reverted, so I thought it'd be better just to get rid of it, as was suggested further up the talk. I don't think all the links were horrible, mind, but I wasn't sure which ones were good enough to keep or not, so I just deleted them all. Dead 03:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fanlinks Removed

message: We ever going to be able to buy the songs from Queen of the Damned  recorded by Jon?
Um. You could always buy the soundtrack. If you mean the original versions, not as far as I can see. --Switch 11:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie tunes 

message: I noticed a proposal to rename this back to Korn, but instead, it should be renamed to KoRn since older computers can't read the backwards "R", but I also want Korn (disambiguation) to be renamed to Korn. --Nintendude 01:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read further up the page. It was decided to be 'Korn'. Not 'KoRn'. The article name should reflect what the actual article is about. Korn (band) is fine in that respect. Having a disambuig as the main Korn page really serves no purpose, though because a) most of the links on the disambig page are red links anyway (unless you're willing to fill them out) and b) the majority of people in the world, when they hear 'Korn', aren't thinking of the UNIX shell. They're thinking of the band, and that's the most common usage of the word, and also what they're probably looking for at Wikipedia. Therefore  it should be moved back to plain old 'Korn'. At least I think so. Dead 02:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  renaming request 

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support TimBentley (talk) 02:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Korn is not the biggest selling metal band of the last twelve years, either worldwide or in the US; Metallica is. Even Limp Bizkit has sold more than Korn. 24.99.241.173 05:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Biggest Seller

message: This area is kind of huge, with the guest appearances on songs, videos and in games. Games could be bundled into soundtrack contributions, I think, but I don't think the guest appearances section is really necessary, or the remixes section, as other bands don't list this information and neither should this article. I'm going to remove them, or merge them in, unless anyone has any objections? Dead 21:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about moving the discography onto a new article? Or even have a seperate article for guest appearences. --Bahamut 08:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a different article for remixes, but I don't know what happened to that. They all just appeared on the main article again one day. I'll get to work on a 'List of Korn guest appearances', though, that's a good idea. I'm not sure about the remixes. Obviously they reappeared here for some reason, but I'd like to know why before I transplant them to a new article again. Dead 10:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guest Appearances/Remixes 

message: This article gets to look VERY listy near the end. This needs to be delt with.--SeizureDog 15:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting 

message: Maybe the whole information on Jonathan's microphone stand and other misc. facts should be added to a trivia section
:We don't need a trivia section. Dead 04:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Says who? It can only add further information, thus improving the article. Dfrg.msc 07:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Trivia sections get cluttered with information already mentioned in the article, added by people who haven't read the article properly. They also add things that probably wouldn't be appropriate - the mic stand thing is better suited for the Jon Davis article specifically, for example (which I rewrote at one point, sans trivia, but it ended up with one anyway). Anything notable about the band is better mentioned in the actual article text (which itself could use a clean up, but I'm not game to tackle a block of text that large). Dead 08:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia Section 

message: Any news on that? I can help :)
Wouldn't that be a bit beyond the scope of what should be covered here... to actually list what songs they played at what shows? Wildnox 17:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, how is the compiling set-lists from live shows going? 

message: This article is in a bad state, i have sectioned the history now so it looks better but in needs a more i  depth look over from someone with my knowledge of the band. I am now going to move all of the subpages of the discography into one page, so many pages cannot be warrented.--Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 13:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quite a mess 

message: Can anybody tell me how can I edit the contents of that box with singles, members, albums, etc.? I ask for it, because I created some articles for singles, but the names are different, i.e "Shoots and Ladders" while in this box is "Shoots & Ladders" (which isn't actual title). Thanks in advance
Find it here Template:Korn, when you edit it they all update, i should have said when i made but you know now. --Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 10:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can I edit that box on the bottom? 

message: Is there a way to type letters backwards in Microsoft Word? Possibly with key combinations like ctrl, shift, colon for an umlaut? Tim Long 03:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a cyrillic font installed, you can use the backward R they use BennyD 05:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Backwards "R"

message: It is disputed whether Andy was really in the mosh pit when he was attacked, leading to his death. According to a post by a member of korn's bbs, Andy and his mentally ahndicapped child, and pregnant girlfriend, were viewing the concert from lawn seats that were unusually low-priced, resulting in many concert-goers who normally would not be able to afford to see Korn perform. In addition, this BBS user claims that many attendees had been drinking since 8 or 9 AM (I don't know at what time Andy was hit) and that many fights had sprung up on the lawn, including an apparently racial fight between a white and black man, in which more white men joined to beat the black man, and more black men joined to beat the white men. Andy has recieved a lot of negative criticism from Internet-users for taking his pregnant girlfriend and mentally handicapped child into the "moshpit". However, this BBS user claims that not only was Andy not in the mosh pit, but that the lawn seats are generally much calmer and that Andy is a victim of circumstance and drunken idiocy. Another item suggested by this BBSer (possibly just a rumor) is that Andy left his hat behind, went to get it, and at first the two men (who evetually killed Andy) refused, afterwards, one threw the hat at Andy while the other killed him. The BBSer also speculates that he doesn't know how Andy could have fallen to his death at the level he was at, bvut rather fell from a short ledge after being punched.
-- wikipedia user, pyrox02, not logged in at the moment...
Pyrox02 22:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andy's death 

message: The "Follow The Leader" link on the Korn page is a link to a disambiguation page.
I have no idea how to edit wiki, and don't want to find out how to do it now (and don't want to mess up things). So if someone who knows what to do could fix it, that'd be nice.
:Fixed. --jh51681 03:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation link 

message: If no one knew yet, many people have claimed that Korn ripped off a riff from Morbid Angel.  Their song off of their debut album "Ball Tongue" borrows an Morbid Angel "Angel of Disease" (from the album Covenant) main riff throughout the song when the song starts and through the chorus of the song.  The riff is as well from the chorus part of "Angel of Disease".  Morbid Angel's songIt's never been actually verified but the sound of the two songs are too good to be true.  A quick note: Morbid Angel released that song 1993, Korn released their song 1994, once again too good to be true and Jonathan Davis has cited some death metal bands, like Cannibal Corpse and Morbid Angel as influences to his song writing ironically.  
My question is does anyone think this is necessary to add to their entry?  I think it would be interesting to place in, seeing that "Angel of Disease" and "Ball Tongue" are popular songs among both bands fans.
It's mentioned in the Self-titled album article near the end, either before or in the "detractors" section.AnthonyG 20:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Korn ripping off Morbid Angel riff

message: I'd just like to say that whoever changed the first paragraph to say that korn is a "hard rock" band is a complete moron.  I'm not even going to try to revert or change it because i have a feeling whoever put it there will just keep putting it back:  The curse of Wikipedia. Static3d 08:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cmon