Talk:Traditional Chinese marriage

message: What is meant exactly by "Chinese scholars of a Marxist persuasion"??? Does that mean that Chinese scholars of a, say, fascist persuasion believe that patriarchy was the norm back then? -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 23:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yes.  Marxists are forced into a pattern laid out by Engels.  So they have to claim that matriarchy was the norm way back then.  And there is some minor evidence for it in China.  But pretty much everyone else thinks patriarchy is and always has been the norm. Lao Wai 10:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um, what? 

message: For kings, polygamy is definitely the norm, starting with the Yellow Emperor (4 wives) if legend counts.
Note that in any society the total number of polygamy (specifically, polygyny) is limited by 2 external factors: the number of available females, and the man's financial resources.  So, barring a massive die-off of males, or importing women from elsewhere, one can expect polygamy to be limited to a small number of elite males, if it exists at all.  The average rate of polygamy, on the other hand, would always be low in a traditional & closed society.
Compared at the same relative social-economic level, polygamy does not seem to be much less frequent in China than other traditional societies.  
I plan to add a section on polygamy...
--Tsiaojian lee 02:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monogamy being the norm? 

message: Must be something about current culture practices in a chinese context.. 203.173.175.106 (talk) 10:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern application / practice nowadays? 

message: This article is lacking a section on 鬧洞房, of which I don't even know what the English name is (bridal chamber??).  This is a very prevalent practice and definitely warrants coverage.  Bsoo (talk) 15:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  鬧洞房 

message: Based on the namespaces, I could understand arguing for separate treatments.
However, as it stands, this article is really about traditional Chinese marriage (there's already a separate one for current marriage practices in the PRC) and the supposed marriage in ancient China article is a poor stub that should have its history and information on concubinage merged here and be turned into a redirect.
We could split the other article off again if a history section here were ever long enough to warrant it. — LlywelynII 15:42, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from Marriage in Ancient China

message: The opening sections of this article talk about the "weddings."  Marriage and the wedding are not the same thing.  The wedding is the public ceremony.  The marriage is the life lived together as a family after the wedding.  One could probably make a separate article for the wedding and make this about the social institution of marriage.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.83.183 (talk) 02:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage and wedding are non-interchangable terms 

message: First off, too many things are not explained. Like the bowing to heaven, and earth, ancestors, etc. EXPLAIN THINGS! If there's nothing understandable, it might as well be gibberish text! Second off... "A European painting of an Emperor of China inspecting his fantasy fishing fleet with his concubines" < WTF? No. That's a bizarre boat of civillain/peasant people gawking... That guy may or may not be intended to be an emperor, I don't know... There's no concubines. He, and that European-looking woman who is being waited upon by two boy servants (thus is more likely one of his wives, not a concubine) are looking at what appears to be a bird, or something in the water... Then, there's two people shown inside a building nearby that seem to have nothing to do with anything. That description of the painting as an emperor with his concubines is ludicrous. One man with one woman who is more waited upon than he is is an emperor and his concubines? A boat of gawking peasants is his fantasy fleet? Lay off the drugs. I don't think these errors come from someone maybe not knowing English as first language. Whomever did this page is below a 100 I.Q., and possibly literally was on drugs. This page's errors are outright offensive, as if expecting the thousands looking at the page in a day to be retarded.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.240.244 (talk) 03:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whaaaat?? 

message: I couldn't find a definition for Antithetic Marriage, so I went searching and found this:
From http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yiirhT2DGVQJ:china.citw2008.com/html/2006/1027/572.shtml+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
"Over time Chinese people became more geographically mobile. Couples were married in what is called an extra-clan marriage, or better known as antithetic marriage. This occurred in the midst of the New Stone Age, i.e. around 5000 BC. According to modern Chinese scholars of a Marxist persuasion Matriarchy prevailed in society at that time, therefore husbands needed to move to, and live with, their wives’ families. Yet individuals remained members of their biological families. When a couple died, the husband and the wife were buried separately in the respective clan’s graveyard. Offspring would be buried with their mother. Antithetic marriage still happens in modern China." 
I wonder if this cached article was the source of the sentence Миборовский mentioned?
Hope this helps!  Darci (talk) 02:31, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antithetic marriage in the Maternal marriage and monogamy section 

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