Talk:Golden hour (photography)

message: Maybe it's just me, but the wedding portrait shown is poor example of magic hour or "golden hour." 
Deepcloud (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - moreover, with such a short article, I don't see a need for 2 photos.  The skyline photo appropriately illustrates this article.  TheMindsEye (talk) 18:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golden Hour? 

message: I've put much of the article back to where it was on 26 July 2010. A few comments:
* Changing citation styles violates WP:CITEHOW. The article used author-date and should continue to do so.  Switching to templates requires discussion before changing to them; here the template formatting style doesn't quite match that of the other references (Chicago), so I removed it.
* All the works that were listed under References were consulted in preparing the article, so they belong there. I agree that we should add inline citations.
* The description of what happens as the Sun nears the horizon was making something very complicated out of something very simple. In particular, the latest edit attempted to make several effects out of one: as the Sun nears the horizon, the intensity of the direct light from the Sun relative to the indirect light from the sky decreases, softening the light because more of it comes from a large source (the sky). Perhaps filling the shadows is a separate effect, but I think it's simply a consequence of reducing the lighting ratio, as that article seems to make pretty clear. The WLs that were added are worthwhile if they can be used without convoluting the wording; in keeping the links, I may have stretched the wording a bit, but I still think “indirect light from the sky” is better than “indirect light reflected from particles in the sky”.
* The intensity of both direct and indirect lighting decreases, but the reduced luminance isn't really relevant to the effect covered in this article—the ratio and the colors are what are important.
* The mention of a low solar altitude softening shadow edges was unsourced, so I removed it. If a source can be provided, we can restore it.
* I don't think the bullet list after the second paragraph adds anything, but I don't have strong objections. The two-level list using the same mark for each level was confusing.
* The introductory sentence and the following sentences (or bullet items) that expand on it should have parallel structure: if any items are mentioned in the first sentence, all should be, including the longer shadows.
* I've left the the link to photon diffusion, though I question its relevance to this article because we're really concerned with the effect and not the explanation of the cause.
* Removing the note on the solar altitudes was far more than a copy edit. The values support the claim that “hour” is used  loosely; what's key is the solar altitude rather than the time, and the values show that an hour is reasonable in Hollywood, it's less so elsewhere. We're probably pushing it here with regard to WP:OR, but if we remove the note, we also need to remove the reference to 10° in the last sentence of the paragraph, leaving much of what's said in the paragraph unsourced. We're already mighty light on sources, so I'm inclined to leave the note.
* No reason was given for removing the mention of Days in Heaven, so I restored it. If we think it doesn't belong, we should discuss before removing.
* I agree that the reference to alpenglow, and particularly to Rowell, did not belong in the article text, especially without a source. I question whether it even belongs in See also, but I've left it for now.
I agree there's a potential issue with Days in Heaven because the effect referenced was shooting during twilight, which is at odds with how we describe “golden hour”. But we now have Magic hour redirected here, and Because Malik uses that term, this is really the only place for it. The sources seem about evenly split on whether “magic hour” refers to golden hour (Sun low but above the horizon) or the blue hour (twilight), so it's questionable whether we can reasonably subsume “magic hour” into this article. This isn't a new issue, but we should eventually address it. The paragraph that begins “In the middle of the day” also needs a lot of work, so we should address that as well. In particular, we should not conflate management of high contrast with general overexposure. JeffConrad (talk) 02:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit of 12 August 2010 

message: Blue hour, Magic hour and  Golden hour, the same? or any difference ?--FOO LIM FSHEN (talk) 08:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue hour = Magic hour = Golden hour