Talk:List of Mario role-playing games

message: We really need to decide what action to take, as otherwise this edit war will never end. Here are the options:
# Delete the article (the action that has been causing the edit war)
# Merge the article with Paper Mario (series)
# Keep the article as it is
# Keep the article, but rewrite and/or reform it
Please post your top option (and only post your option with a small comment as to why). Keep other discussion to the conversation above. -Zomic13 22:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actions to Take 

message: I heard somewhere that the series will be coming to the DS as New Paper Mario. Can someone verify this? 76.126.29.36 (talk) 00:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing about it on major sites. Where did you hear it? -Zomic13 (talk) 05:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't remember. Perhaps Nintendopedia once. Fansites create these rumors. People have even photoshopped a DS version of Paper Mario that's already been uploaded to Google. 76.126.29.36 (talk) 05:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Heah, I've seen this rumor on a lot of sites, including mario wiki. It was supposed to come out in July, but it never happened--SeQel (talk) 02:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Hoax. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: DS

message: Who is Doopliss? He/she was mentioned in a character quiz, and whenever I try looking him/her up, it redirects me here. However, there's no mention of any Doopliss on this page. --DanMat6288 (talk) 15:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't redirect here. Doopliss is a character in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doopliss? 

message: I move that this article be split into two articles covering the each respective series. Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 06:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: One major problem with that - the first game, Super Mario RPG, fits neither category. Digifiend (talk) 10:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the first guy. We can work something out, and make an article on each series. As for the super mario rpg, is doesn't need to be in a series, it can be by itself in it's own article. Ramesty (talk) 15:16, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been over a decade since this split request, and the Mario & Luigi series now has two more games and two remakes, while the Paper Mario series now has three more games. They're both full-fledged, distinct series now, and I see no reason not to split this article. Jcharlesk (talk) 02:39, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: On what grounds, really? The list is hardly lengthy. -- ferret (talk) 02:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: All the grounds. I don't think length matters here. They're two very distinct series with huge followings and combining the two series into one nonspecific list article just feels like a generalization. Jcharlesk (talk) 20:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Mario role-playing games's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "IGN review":
From Paper Mario: 
From Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time: 
From Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door: 
From Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Mario role-playing games]] 

message: What is this supposed game, and why was an article created for it solely to be a redirect for this article? 75.43.41.165 (talk) 18:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Super Mario RPG 2: The Return of the Stars

message: Technically, I think it's both a Paper Mario game and a Mario & Luigi game. I don't know the Wikipedia standard for this situation, though, but it somehow seems wrong to only have it in the Mario & Luigi section. (MMStinks was here. You can come yell at me for this if you'd like) 03:42, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam'' series

message: I heard that there was a page created for the upcoming Paper Mario game for Wii U. But unfortunately, when I researched it, the page redirected to the List of Mario & Luigi role-playing games page. Can anyone tell me if the page will be back up? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 18:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paper Mario: Color Splash wiki page 

message: Could we issue a page protection against numerous actions by anonymous users and use it for registered users and admins? Is this possible? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 18:59, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protect request. 

message: I want to clarify that the Puzzle & Dragons games is apart of the Puzzle and Dragons article and series of their own, not the Mario role-playing games. Sure, it is a Puzzle and role-playing style with Mario characters thrown in, but should not be included in the article as it is listed in it's own Puzzle and Dragons article itself. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 01:19, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: * Yeah. I don't mind Rabbids Kingdom Battle being in there, but then again Puzzle and Dragons has it own article of which I've listed above and should stay in that article. There's no reason for its inclusion here. But thanks for your opinion on the matter. I just thought you would have something similar to add to this. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 20:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Puzzle & Dragons]] confusion. 

message: If we get one more Paper Mario game, can it have its own article? Ramesty (talk) 15:17, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  One more game! 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of Paper Mario series characters. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  ミラP 21:14, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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message: Untitled Paper Mario game for Switch. It is the sixth game in the Paper Mario series.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.143.128 (talk) 17:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled ''Paper Mario'' game for Nintendo Switch 

message: Promised to look over this; starting now, and am for the sake of clarity specifying that I am basing it on this revision.
Lead
*  lots of "Mario" here. In particular  can be struck. Would also mention that the main Mario series are platformer video games, for those unfamiliar.
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*  - I know what you mean, but they are all existing Mario characters; Prince Peasley is no less of an "existing Mario character" than Bowser is.
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*  - this is rather long. Would rephrase as "The first role-playing game in the series was Super Mario RPG (1996), developed by Square for the Super NES." or something similar (feel free to use my wording if you want)
*:...ctrl c ctrl v. .
*  - also rather long, and I do not know what you mean by "successive".
*:Most of this wording has been around for so long, so I kept it intact. Looks like this might need some workin' on. .
*  can be struck, as essentially the same thing is also communicated with "followed conventions established in the original". Would also change "followed conventions..." to present tense, as at least the Paper Mario series is still ongoing.
*:So sad (R.I.P.), but since its still ongoing I couldn't determine when or where the best place to use present-tense was. Bear with me. .
*  - you don't need "Mario" here, and they're not role-playing-themed, they're just straight up role-playing games. You can change this entire construction to "role-playing game series".
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*  - also a bit wordy. You mention that the first game was for the N64 twice for some reason, and you specify that PM and PM:TTYD are RPGs even though this is the base assumption given the scope of the list.
*:Human error. .
* Write out RPG as "role-playing game" (or just "role-playing" depending on context)
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* Link games both on their first mention in the lead, and on their first mention in the list proper.
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*  "has received"
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*  "its paper-inspired aesthetic"
*:Getting fancy here, are we? .
*  "has received". Additionally, "receive reception" is at best slightly silly-sounding.
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*  - "changes to the gameplay between games"
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*  - this is really vague, and I'm unsure of the word "improper". It is already communicated that the gimmicks are criticized, so I think you can just strike "improper".
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*  - "The Mario & Luigi series"
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*  Already communicated by how this is a list of RPGs
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*  - another quite long sentence. Considering you don't mention every individual M&L game in the lead, I don't know if the 3DS port of MLSS is important enough to warrant mentioning... this is also the first time BIS is mentioned, which is not reflected in the phrasing. I would re-write this whole sentence as something like "The Nintendo 3DS release of Bowser's Inside Story was AlphaDream's final game before declaring bankruptcy in 2019."
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* For the infobox: "Mario role-playing games" is not the name of a major work or series - the only part of it that should be italicized is "Mario".
*:The infobox uses the  "italic title=no" parameter, but this doesn't work. I put in "force", but this resulted in an error. I don't know how to fix this, but I'll get back to it.
Single role-playing games
* This section should be renamed - The Thousand-Year Door is also a "single role-playing game", and all the games in this list are RPGs. I would suggest something like "Independent games" or "Stand-alone games".
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* You don't need WW when there is only one single international release date
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* You should mention that the Rabbids game is a tactical RPG
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Paper Mario series
* Instead of using double-newlines for the release years by system, use 
* We typically don't list things like Virtual Console, PlayStation Classics, etc as separate systems, as these are just emulated re-releases
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* Add romanization of Japanese titles ("Mario Sutōrī" etc)
* All information (including all release dates) need to be backed up by RSs
*  - you mean "Originally planned to be called".
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*  does not mean what you want it to - it currently reads as if "The game, on its own, published a soundtrack, and the game itself was published by Famitsu"
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*  - so was it originally called Paper Mario RPG or Mario Story 2? You're currently claiming both, and I assume one of the two was a planned-but-unused title
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* Is "Your So Cool" actually spelled like that, not "You're So Cool"?
*:Oops, no. 
*  - "Paper Mario lead producer" is not a continuous position one holds between games. Change to ", who has produced all Paper Mario games since"
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*  - "Highest selling Paper Mario game". Also, you use a 2016 source for this, meaning it does not take Origami King into account - is SPM still the highest selling?
*:Yes, but TOK is getting pretty close. I added another source, though. 
*  - long and kinda confusing. This game does not remove partners per se - each game is developed on its own, and so this game in particular did never have partners in the first place. Re: "was later continued in the next game", the word "later" is unnecessary as it is impossible to continue it "earlier".
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*  this is simultaneously long and super vague, and as someone who has only played the first two Paper Mario games I have no idea what it means.
*:Well, The Origami King is really good, you should get on that. 
*  - not a proper noun, so should not be capitalized
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* If Color Splash was released on the same date in EU and NA, you should combine them into a single EU/NA note. You also have a stray < here.
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*  - vague. Were all the game files leaked? If it's just the game's existence, I question if this is important enough to note - that type of leak happens all the time.
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*  - this is the first time you mention Miyamoto; someone not familiar with Mario will not even know who he is.
*:I was gonna add info in the leads about developers, and will get to this eventually.
*  this will be completely unintelligible for readers not familiar with Smash Bros, and you've got it written backwards anyway - it's Smash that features the spirits, not Origami King. tbh, I question if this is particularly relevant for this list.
*:The consensus meter determines... it's not! Have a great day everybody! 
Mario & Luigi series
*  - is this not the case with every Mario game since Super Mario 64? Is this important, especially considering the main dialogue is completely unvoiced?
*:Removed. 
*  - this is wild to me. Partners in Time, like the rest of the series, for sure saw positive reviews, but its Metacritic score is lower than MLSS's and BIS', which actually are in the "universal acclaim" bracket.
*:Yeah, I had to do my own research for this series; I read up on all of the Mario and Luigi articles, and Partners in Time is stylized as if the game received critical acclaim (it actually says that in the text. I removed this statement entirely. 
*  - it has the exact same MC score as Superstar Saga.
*:Then what the h e c k is the Bowser's Inside Story article talking about? Removed for now. 
*  - Mario & Luigi
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Remakes
* Why are these a separate section, as if they're not part of M&L? If I were the one writing this list I would tbh just mention them as annotations in the list items for the original GBA/DS versions, since these "remakes" are so similar to the originals.
*:For now, I simply combined the sections. 
This took a bit, so gonna take a break here - I will look at the references later.--AlexandraIDV 20:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , Thanks for the review! For now, I think it's best to hold off until I've got sources for everything. I'll get to addressing soon. Le Panini [🥪] 22:14, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

text: , Hey, I took a break from this project until PMTOK gets promoted, but I've been busy doing other stuff. Got one more thing before I come back to this; I have two images of the Paper Mario and the Mario and Luigi logos, is there a way to display them both in the infobox? If not, should I put them somewhere else in the article, if at all? Le Panini [🥪] 00:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't look like  supports that. You could either add support for it to the template or remove the infobox from the list and just use  instead (there is no set standard for use of infoboxes in this type of list; I have not used them in any of my FLCs).--AlexandraIDV 08:14, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

text: You can put a br in between two image tags (see New Nintendo 3DS). redspartatalk 08:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informal peer review 

message: Mario & Luigi series hasn't been for a long time. When they expanded the Mario & Luigi articles, they need to split this article. Longplay Watcher (talk) 13:50, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spliting Mario & Luigi series 

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