Talk:Prefectures of Greece

message: Achaea is listed twice - one under Peloponnesus, one under West Greece.  I assume it should be Pelopennesus?  Is there something else missing from under West Greece, though?  Morwen 17:51, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
:Achaea is part of the West Greece perifery, which includes areas from Peloponnesus as well. See the map of the Peripheries of Greece. :) Etz Haim 01:44, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Achaea

message: See also discussion at Talk:Greece. I propose to use more consistent names for the prefectures, see below. Discussions about the "disputed" prefecture names below.Markussep 20:02, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started the policy page Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Greek), which might help. Obviously, traditional uses will make most of the page irrelevant. The Modern Greek section in particular needs work at the moment. --Nema Fakei 18:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: One other thing: prefectures named after a city. Two of them (Karditsa, Florina) are at the city name, and the city is at "X (city), Greece". I'd prefer the other way around, like it is for 16 others now (Arta, Chania, Drama, Ioannina, Kavala, Larissa, Rethymno, Serres, Thessaloniki, Trikala, Grevena, Kastoria, Kozani, Preveza, Xanthi, Kilkis), that are at X Prefecture, while the city is at X. Heraklion has no separate page for the city yet. Markussep 19:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't that Phthia? Or is that the same? Markussep 15:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Phthia in Homer, but Phthiotis as a contemporary term in later authors. "Was Phthia actually in Phthiotis?" would have been a meaningful question to Strabo. Septentrionalis 16:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Comment: No, they were the same; this is an example of case simplification in Demotic. As with Athens, which included all Attica, the city eventually included the whole region - hence the name. (As far as I can see, the Prefecture is substantially the same as the ancient region; but if separate articles will avoid confusion, go for it.) Septentrionalis 17:24, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Prefecture names

message: Omitted l, traditional?.
Kefalloniá (UN/ELOT romanization of modern Greek name)
#Markussep 08:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Kefalonia

message: Larissa and Magnesia are also established English spellings. Larissa had   σσ in ancient Greek. I have no idea why it has been changed. The most common meaning of Magnesia may be Magnesia-on-the-Maeander, but Magnisia/Magnesia is a really silly way of disambiguating the same word. 
Wikipedia is inconsistent; but it would seem to make sense to merge Ilia into Elis and then let Elis Prefecture emerge as a subarticle, and likewise with the others. Septentrionalis 16:44, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One other thing: prefectures named after a city. Two of them (Karditsa, Florina) are at the city name, and the city is at "X (city), Greece". I'd prefer the other way around, like it is for 16 others now (Arta, Chania, Drama, Ioannina, Kavala, Larissa, Rethymno, Serres, Thessaloniki, Trikala, Grevena, Kastoria, Kozani, Preveza, Xanthi, Kilkis), that are at X Prefecture, while the city is at X. Heraklion has no separate page for the city yet. Markussep 19:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: ====Aitolia-Acarnania====
Awful mixed romanization. Compare present articles Aetolia and Acarnania. Moved to Aetolia-Acarnania 27 July 2005.
Aitoloakarnanía (UN/ELOT romanization of modern Greek name)
Aetolia-Acarnania (combined Latin/traditional names)
# We have Aetolia and Acarnania. Septentrionalis 16:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't that Phthia? Or is that the same? Markussep 15:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Phthia in Homer, but Phthiotis as a contemporary term in later authors. "Was Phthia actually in Phthiotis?" would have been a meaningful question to Strabo. Septentrionalis 16:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Comment: No, they were the same; this is an example of case simplification in Demotic. As with Athens, which included all Attica, the city eventually included the whole region - hence the name. (As far as I can see, the Prefecture is substantially the same as the ancient region; but if separate articles will avoid confusion, go for it.) Septentrionalis 17:24, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved prefectures

message: Awful mixed romanization. Compare present articles Aetolia and Acarnania. Moved to Aetolia-Acarnania 27 July 2005.
Aitoloakarnanía (UN/ELOT romanization of modern Greek name)
Aetolia-Acarnania (combined Latin/traditional names)
# We have Aetolia and Acarnania. Septentrionalis 16:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Aitolia-Acarnania

message: BGN romanization. Moved 28 July.
Evrytanía (UN/ELOT romanization of modern Greek name)
#Markussep 08:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Evritania

message: BGN or UN/ELOT romanization of ancient Greek name. Moved 28 July.
Fthiótida (UN/ELOT romanization of modern Greek name)
Phthiotis (Latin/traditional name)
# I disagree that "Phthiotis" is obscure; as the home of Achilles, at least, the established English name. Septentrionalis 16:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't that Phthia? Or is that the same? Markussep 15:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Phthia in Homer, but Phthiotis as a contemporary term in later authors. "Was Phthia actually in Phthiotis?" would have been a meaningful question to Strabo. Septentrionalis 16:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fthiotis

message: BGN romanization. Elis is now about the ancient region. It should also be about the ancient city Elis, the capital of the region. Were their names different in ancient Greek? The city was Ήλις, modern name for the ruins: Ήλιδα / Ilida. Best keep the modern prefecture separate, as Elis Prefecture. Moved 29 July.
:Comment: No, they were the same; this is an example of case simplification in Demotic. As with Athens, which included all Attica, the city eventually included the whole region - hence the name. (As far as I can see, the Prefecture is substantially the same as the ancient region; but if separate articles will avoid confusion, go for it.) Septentrionalis 17:24, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ilia Prefecture

message: "dh" for δ in BGN romanization, not recommended. City is at Karditsa (city), Greece. Moved prefecture to Karditsa Prefecture, 27 July 2005.
Kardítsa (UN/ELOT romanization of modern Greek name)
#Markussep 08:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Kardhitsa

message: BGN romanization. The mountain range is at Rhodope Mountains, this should be at "Rhodope Prefecture". Moved 27 July.
Rodópi (UN/ELOT romanization of modern Greek name)
Rhodope (Latin/traditional name, disamb as Rhodope Prefecture)
#Markussep 08:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rodhopi

message: BGN romanization. Boeotia is used for the ancient region. IMO the prefecture should move to "Boeotia Prefecture". Moved 29 July.
Voiotía (UN/ELOT romanization of modern Greek name)
Boeotia (Latin/traditional name, merge with current Boeotia)
#Markussep 08:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Viotia

message: To keep things standard, shouldn't all of the articles be moved to an "X Prefecture" format? Right now, most are - but some (like East Attica) aren't. Since there's a sizable Greek community on Wikipedia, I didn't want to just go moving a bunch of articles around. What say you? --Golbez 01:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move all to "X Prefecture"? 

message: I want to add a piece concerning Plato's usage of the word nome; nomoi and nomes. The way he uses the words in his 'nomoi' (translated as the laws) is worth a mention. I am not sure if I should place that here, or create a new page. I am hoping for suggestions. --Fan Singh Long (talk) 08:38, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Plato and Ancient Greece

message: Perhaps there ought to be a distinction between the prefecture as a geographical unit and the abolished prefectural administration; even though the latter no longer exists, the former continues to enjoy widespread usage, including some official uses. For example, parliamentary constituencies are coterminous with prefectures and use their names, without any connection to local government. (According to the Ministry of Interior (translated from Greek): "The prefectures are designated as constituencies for the election of members of parliament. By exception are divided: the prefecture of Attiki [Attica] into five (5) electoral constituencies [...] the prefecture of Thessaloniki [Thessalonica] into two (2) electoral constituencies".) Waltham, The Duke of 10:35, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as administrative entities, the prefectures formally have been abolished. However, due to their long-standing existence, they still have left an imprint in other institutions, including in the parliamentary constituencies and, of course, popular/vernacular usage. --Constantine   ✍  17:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are prefectures really defunct?