Talk:Eternal leaders of North Korea

message: This is false, the "eternal president of the republic" is simply a line in the preamble of the DPRK constitution, it has no governmental status, it is not designated as a head of state, it is simply in a preamble which is as you know, non-functional text.  NoJoyInMudville 15:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added on template above. Rigadoun  (talk) 16:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. 80.109.117.16 22:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is our translation accurate?  (Expert needed.)  The text we have "공화국의 영원한 주석" Google translates it out to "Republic of the eternal comment".  If we put in "Eternal President of the Republic", we get "공화국의 영원한 대통령"  Accordingly, I've tagged the text as verificaiton needed. --S. Rich (talk) 22:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sort of. 대통령 is the president in the sense of a Obama or Lee Myeong-Bak. 주석 (主席) is a chairman and used to refer to the heads of state of the DPRK, PRC, and Vietnam. Eternal Chairman of the Republic would be more accurate but Eternal President is so embedded in popular speech I don't think it would be appropriate to change the title of the article. I'll make an edit reflecting the direct translation. Rbritt518 (talk) 22:49, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status 

message: I marked this page as  because Pak Pong-ju seems to have been released from office (Premier) on April 11, 2007.
:Also, a new constitution is in effect 2009. --S. Rich (talk) 18:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page needs update 

message: Surely 'eternal' is an adjective, and the office is 'President of the Republic'.218.14.51.238 (talk) 08:15, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The adjective is part of the title. North Koreans would never refer to him as just "President Kim Il-sung." Rbritt518 (talk) 22:49, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't this a misinterpretation? 

message: I propose that Eternal President of the Republic will be merged with President of North Korea. RicJac (talk) 15:05, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: North Korea does not have a state religion, as far as i know they're officially atheist even... Thus it doesn't meet any definitions of a real Theocracy. Not even slightly. (Political religion doesn't count imho, because then the soviet union and in addition any other authoritarian state would have to be called theocratic aswell.)
I suggest removing or updating that reference for now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.254.42.34 (talk) 22:12, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Theocratic state" nonsense 

message: The page should be updated. The preamble has been changed and now there's the new title of "Eternal leader"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.117.200.160 (talk) 12:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: --Obonggi (talk) 05:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

text: I don't think this was a smart move. "Eternal leaders of Juche Korea" is one phrase in the preamble of the constitution. To my knowledge, it doesn't even designate anything. It simply describes the positions of Eternal President and Eternal General Secretary. I found zero reliable sources that discuss "Eternal leaders of Juche Korea" either as a designation or a phrase (though there might be sources that cover both posthumous positions collectively under some other title). I think this should be moved back, , because the topic that the current title delimits is not notable (WP:GNG). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:02, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an interesting issue. The original constitution mentions Kim Il-sung's title as "eternal President of the Republic", the e is lowercase, I think the title would still be as President of North Korea, just Kim holding the post indefinitely.--Tærkast (Discuss) 21:31, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

text: In hindsight, this article probably ought not to have been created anyway or to have been structured this way. Note that the original wording as it appeared in the 1998 constitution had "eternal" in lowercase, so the article should have been simply President of North Korea. That having been said, reverting to the previous article title wouldn't make sense as it is no longer mentioned in the constitution. The current wording in the 2016 constitution "uphold the great Comrades Kim Il Sung [and Kim Jong Il] as the eternal leaders of Juche Korea" is mentioned in exactly the same way as the previous title for Kim Il-sung in the 1998 constitution. In any event, I think the best way forward would be to move this article to President of North Korea, or merge it with List of leaders of North Korea and add the relevant information there under "Eternal leaders" or something similar.--Tærkast (Discuss) 21:05, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title update 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kim_Il-sung#How_to_handle_presidency_status.  Sdkb (talk) 07:28, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. Glide08 (talk) 11:30, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

text: I think that would be appropriate. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 16:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: *Support. I agree with . I have been researching about North Korea for a while, and I could add a lot more details. I mean yeah there is not much known about North Korea but then we might discover more. Maybe just to prepare for the future? Janok(talk) 14:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[Talk:Kim_Il-sung#How_to_handle_presidency_status]]