Talk:List of minor secular observances

message: there are commerative days weeks and months that are not holidays.  yes it needs to be better arranged, but not subsumed Koibeatu (talk) 19:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I added both of these, since they're at least mentioned in Wikipedia articles. -- Beland (talk) 15:33, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: against

message: http://www.jours-feries.com/index.php3?id_langue=2
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/Around_the_World/Holidays/By_Month/
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark Richards (talk • contribs) 
Another possible source could be http://www.charityvillage.com/cv/charityvillage/event3.asp.  It is Canada specific and includes whether the commemorative event is recognized nationally or which province.  --67.225.19.166 (talk) 14:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: List of commemorative days → List of commemorative days and months celebrated in North America — New title describes the nature of the article much better. DeLarge 11:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
#Support; but under a different name Sorry about that DeLarge; I didn't notice those. The page does need to be changed to reflect the presence of the months, which are all US-related. 
====Survey - in opposition to the move====
# Oppose, strongly. The presence in the article of Australia Day, ANZAC Day, Armistice Day, Chinese New Year, European Day of Languages, German Unity Day, Hangul Day, Queen's Birthday, etc etc show that it is not exclusively devoted to North American holidays. --DeLarge 11:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Add any additional comments:
Should this not be merged and winnowed with Holiday? I.e., Holiday talks about holidays/commemorations in general, and this article is the list linking to the individual articles. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 05:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
#Support; but under a different name Sorry about that DeLarge; I didn't notice those. The page does need to be changed to reflect the presence of the months, which are all US-related. 
====Survey - in opposition to the move====
# Oppose, strongly. The presence in the article of Australia Day, ANZAC Day, Armistice Day, Chinese New Year, European Day of Languages, German Unity Day, Hangul Day, Queen's Birthday, etc etc show that it is not exclusively devoted to North American holidays. --DeLarge 11:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Oppose, strongly. The presence in the article of Australia Day, ANZAC Day, Armistice Day, Chinese New Year, European Day of Languages, German Unity Day, Hangul Day, Queen's Birthday, etc etc show that it is not exclusively devoted to North American holidays. --DeLarge 11:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: :Add any additional comments:
Should this not be merged and winnowed with Holiday? I.e., Holiday talks about holidays/commemorations in general, and this article is the list linking to the individual articles. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 05:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Would it not make more sense to have the list of commemorative days in date order also?? Or maybe in a chart so that you can put them in whichever order you would like them? I was looking through for days around the middle of april and it took a while!! Comments? Timclare (talk) (sign here) 12:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date order? 

message: I've split the months off to List of commemorative months, since the title refers to days, not months, and also since the months are almost entirely unreferenced.  All references welcome over at that article. YrPolishUncle (talk) 20:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: This is a random selection of various types of holidays. Maybe the author who created it did not know about the much more complete Lists of holidays article or that just did not exist then. --Hunadam (talk) 09:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  To be merged with Lists of holidays 

message: This list doesn't seem to have an additional purpose beyond International observance. Furthermore, many entries are largely unsourced or conflicting between these lists. For example, in this list, we have "International Cat-Day / World Cat-Day - August 8/August 8", in the other list "March 1 - International Cat Day". Neither is sourced, neither had a comment from the person who entered it.
In my oppinion, it would be the best if such entries just get deleted, as there doesn't seem to be any institutional basis and the entries on wikipedia suggest legitimacy to the outside rather than having legitimate reasons why they should be on wikipedia in the first place. Makrom (talk) 13:54, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll tag items without any citation and without any link to an "X day" article with "citation needed" and then remove them in about two weeks time. Sjö (talk) 18:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundancy and conflicting information 

message: The list is of days "to raise awareness of an issue, commemorate a group or event, or celebrate something" - two out of three of those reasons are not commemorative in the modern sense of the word. If we are generally happy with the scope of the article, the name of the article ought to change to something that more accurately reflects the contents. Perhaps "List of observance days".  Mitch Ames (talk) 09:45, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything, the scope of the article should be narrowed. In :Category:Lists of observances there's List of  awareness days (and other lists of awareness days), and I think that there's no reason to duplicate that information here. Sjö (talk) 13:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

text: And Lists of holidays covers the topic "celebrate something" pretty well. So there are three different articles about awareness, commemoration and celebration. Except the scope of the list of commemorative days also duplicates the other two articles. I suggest that we prune this article to include only commemorative days. There will still be some overlap, and that's OK since the date of an awareness day can be chosen to honour the memory of someone, and a commemorative day can also be a holiday. Sjö (talk) 14:54, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

text: And before anyone starts adding them, I think that the saint's days are out of the scope of this article, even if they are in some sense commemorative. The sheer number and the differing calendars in different denomination also makes it impossible to add them all. Sjö (talk) 05:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title is not accurate 

message: July has no mention of GLOBAL ENERGY INDEPEPNDENCE DAY JULY 10th . To promote alternative Green energy! Its also the birthdat of the great energy and eleletrical pioneer NIKOLA TESLA(1856-1943) see www.teslasociety.com, It was organizaedJuly 2005 and givien Los Angeles County recognation that year! Thanks! Dr. Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC64.203.36.139 (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be because A) there is no Wikipedia article about it.  And B) per Tesla Day it is not an agreed upon world holiday.  If you think it should be included, write an article, prove that it exists beyond L.A. County, and then see about having it added to the list.  I would also recommend that if you want your suggestions to be taken seriously you present them in correct English.  —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 14:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NO MENTION IN JULY OF GLOBAL ENERGY INDEPENDENCE DAY! 

message: Should that count?  An IP added it without mentioning it here, so I'll remove it.  If you want it back up, just mention it here (and maybe on my talk page).  Jwoodward48wiki (talk) 18:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't have a Wikipedia article, so removal seems like the right thing. -- Beland (talk) 14:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Mt. Everest Day

message: As of now, the inclusion criteria is days ment "to raise awareness of an issue, commemorate a group or event, or celebrate something". Two of those aren't really commemorative. I propose that this article is restricted to those days that are ment to honour the memory of someone or something or to serve as a memorial to someone or something. Like I said above there will be some overlap, e.g. an awareness day may have been chosen to honour the memory of someone. Still I think that the lede should be rewritten to match the definition of commemorative, and that the lede should mention that there are separate articles for holidays, awareness days, saints days and national days. Then the list should be pruned from days without a commemorative purpose. What do you think? Sjö (talk) 14:11, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Today, I started tagging days that have no commemorative element to them. Sjö (talk) 06:42, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Using that view of "commemorative" makes this an indiscriminate list where almost any day could be included (provided it's notable). Or have I misunderstood, are there any days that you would say are outside the scope of this article?  Sjö (talk) 06:29, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

text: Well, that would make this article a List of notable days without any inclusion criteria except that it's a day and that it's notable. That would mean that this article would duplicate the days in mentioned in . I don't think that's a good structure for an encylopedia. Sjö (talk) 06:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

text: Sorry about that, it should be :Category:Lists of observances. Forgot to add the colon sign. Sjö (talk) 05:17, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

text: I'm not a fan of list articles, and especially the unwieldy ones. This is a poor article, with little going for it IMO, but I've tried to keep it in some order according to my understanding of the scope of the article. You can change the interpretation and scope if you like, but I hope that you will stay and maintain the article since I will then take it off my watchlist. There's a limit to how much work I can do on an article that I really dislike. Sjö (talk) 21:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

text: I find the article content really valuable and came to it today wanting to see if there were any days coming up of awareness of ecological issues.  An as comprehensive as possible listing of such days is really appreciated.  GregKaye 07:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal that the scope of this article should be what its title says 

message: It seems clear that Religious holidays should not be included in this article.  It also seems reasonable that days listed on List of awareness days should not be listed.  Is there anything else that must be excluded?  "Commemorative days" isn't a term with a clear definition, in my opinion.  power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:25, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We have a proliferation of these lists which substantially overlap, and which make it difficult for readers to find all the things of a given type that they are looking for. To keep things manageable, I think public holidays (which we have listed by country - see List of holidays by country) should be kept separate, since those are valuable lists on their own because people actually get time off on those days. There are also too many religious observances, since every religion has its own calendar for the whole year.  There's no top-level list for that, but we do have :Category:Religious holidays from which readers can navigate to the denomination of interest. Given those exclusions, a good name for this article might be something like List of minor secular observances or List of unofficial secular observances? I'm not sure "unofficial" is quite right because there's usually some authority designating them, and sometimes that's the United Nations. -- Beland (talk) 01:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As the person who started List of unofficial observances by date, I'm certainly not opposed to the merge. I also think the scope should be clarified, and a certain level of notability should be enforced. What I have been doing at the other list is to require that every list entry should either be a blue link (so that the target article is required to show notability), or that the entry should be accompanied by a reference to a reliable source that demonstrates notability: not necessarily to the same degree as would be required for a stand-alone article, but at least to show that it's "a thing", and not just some company's attempt to market something or something that a fringe group is "trying to make a thing". If the merge goes through, that could be good, because we'll have more eyes on a single article to keep it clean and useful. --Slashme (talk) 17:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

text: I also agree with User:Beland that the national holidays should be kept separate, but I haven't yet decided to be so bold. I have given the article a quick once-through removing unreferenced and redlinked days, though. --Slashme (talk) 18:05, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: All done merging for today; I think we need to take a breather to sort and de-duplicate. -- Beland (talk) 18:23, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

text: What drew me here in the first place was my hope that I would find a reasonably complete list, so that I could look up specific daysand tell my friends things like "Tomorrow is xyz day" or "Did you know your birthday falls on xyz day" ... that kind of conversational thing.For that purpose it wouldn't matter to me in the least whether the day was a legal holiday, or religiously observed, or not. All that would matter to me would be avoiding having to search the Internet for many different kinds of lists.I don't think I'm alone to want this list to be that kind of reasonably complete reference. KingMidasTheSecond (talk) 08:46, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of Article, redux 

message: It says that Mother's Day is celebrated on May 13. Different countries celebrate this day differently yet there is no country that celebrates Mother's Day on May 13, 2020. I suggest for it to be displayed as the second Sunday of may as it is the most common day of celebrating that event.--JETH888 message me 13:32, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother's Day date 

message: It seems that since the cleanup templates were added, the article has been improved greatly. There are articles/links for most entries, and references for entries without an article. The entires all seem to be in chronological order as well. If no one has anything to say I will remove these templates in a few days. ― Levi_OPTalk 13:46, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove cleanup templates?