Talk:List of Medal of Honor recipients in non-combat incidents

message: Searched internet and posted notes to complete data table, beginning with Alphonse Girandi and ending with George William Rud. Most additions were for courage shown coping with boiler explosions.
An overwhelming majority of these naval peacetime medal of honor awards were for actions that would have earned a Navy and Marine Corps Medal in more recent times. The latter medal was instituted August 7,1942. 
````George J. Dorner````  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.161.17 (talk) 08:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: Is there any good reason why the list is ordered the way it is.  I'd have thought a more natural and useful order would be either by surname, or date of action.  --  JackofOz (talk) 20:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering the same thing myself. It seems to be in order by first name, but with posthumous recipients grouped at the end. It should probably be sorted by surname, that's how all the other lists of MOH recipients are sorted. I'll give re-ordering it a try. jwillbur 18:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List order

message: The last award for valor not in combat and was to Francis P. Hammerberg a United States Navy diver who received the Medal of Honor posthumously for rescuing two fellow divers at Pearl Harbour in the then Territory of Hawaii. He lost his life during rescue operations on February 17, 1945. Anthony Staunton (talk) 14:49, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last peacetime award 

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message: I have removed Samuel Adler from the article page because he is not a recipient of the Medal of Honor. Even though there are some non-military sources making this claim, they are in error. The truth is there is no official MOH source showing Adler as a recipient.  This includes the comprehensive lists at the  CMOH Society, the Department of Defense, the  US Army Center of Military History and publications of the  US Congress.  The MOH is an extremely important and rare award. Each medal presented has been carefully recorded going all the way back to the Civil War. If Adler had received one, it would easily be found in these records. Also, the Army rules changed during WWII which restricted the award of the MOH exclusively to heroism in combat.  It is simply not possible that Adler received this medal for founding the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra in 1952. 
 
The most reliable resource should be Samuel Adler himself.  There is no mention of the Medal of Honor on his personal copyrighted website. However, his biography page does say he was "awarded a special Army citation for distinguished service" for his work with the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra . So, it appears he received a special citation, not the Medal of Honor. Roam41 (talk) 22:28, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. These sources seem to be more official, and the sources that say Medal of Honor appear to be referring to the special citation. Garuda28 (talk) 22:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: user:Thewolfchild, I saw earlier that you made a related edit and was wondering if you wanted to add your perspective to this discussion? Garuda28 (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Samuel Adler

message: No. “Peacetime” means a time of peace, at least in military terms. Pearl Harbor was not that. Qwirkle (talk) 05:03, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That's definition pretty simplistic that only a child would understand. Japan and the United States were still officially at peace when Pearl Harbor happened, therefore making it happened under peacetime, just like the bombing of Dublin happened when Ireland and Germany were not at war. Using that logic, then the high crime rate in the U.S. from the 1970s to 1990s would be considered civil wars, yet they still happen in peacetime, since there were no war going on. So just end this charade and stop removing my work. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 05:13, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide citations that support your assertion that the medals of honour awarded for Pearl Harbor are considered by experts in the field to have been awarded for actions which took place during peacetime. Per WP:BRD, I have just reverted your additions as they are not supported by any such citations. Nick-D (talk) 05:24, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent mass additions of wartime medals. 

message: It occurs to me that if we include Francis P. Hammerberg on this list (for a noncombat action during wartime), it would be consistent to include Patrick McGunigal and probably others. McGunigal received a Medal of Honor for a lifesaving action on 17 September 1917, thus a noncombat action during wartime. A factor against his inclusion is the mention in his citation that his ship, , was transiting a "war zone" on a trip from NYC to France at the time. RobDuch (talk) 22:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I already changed the title in order to avoid the confusion and problems in the future since non-combat incidents can be connected in time of war. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

text: This title has stood for two years. As a separate article, I don't think it creates an inherent conflict with the various other lists or tables of Medal of Honor recipients.  The title change was due to an editor who attempted to define any incident not occurring during a declared war as "peacetime", including the Pearl Harbor attack among others. His efforts were dismissed as OR and he did the title change, which was agreeable to the others involved. I think this article is useful with its current title and content for users who wish to easily distinguish non-combat MoH awards for actions that coincidentally occurred during wartime. Pinging previously interested users:    RobDuch (talk·contribs) 22:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noncombat actions during wartime?