Talk:Amy Lee/Archive 1

message: Looking at the trivia section i would guess that much of it has been made up on the spot. Would it be resonable to ask that all trivia edits are rved if sources are not provided ? --2mcm 07:42, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To help those who "weed" out the invalid trivia does anybody have a problem with sources placed either here or in the source ? --2mcmGespräch 03:27, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not me. Some of them seem pretty 'trivial', anyway. --InShaneee 01:42, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia - sources 

message: She is also ( well her songs ) in these movies :
* The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (2005)  (additional music)
* Elektra (2005) (song "Breathe No More")
* Daredevil (2003) (songs "Bring Me To Life", "My Immortal")
* The Punisher (2004) (singer: "Broken")
* CSI: Miami (song "Bring Me To Life") 
BTW IMDbName:1341624 this is her IMDB link. --2mcm 01:44, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movies + imdb 

message: Ev fans or a great majoroty of them believe that the main character of the Anime Ergo Proxy is based on Amy's image from Fallen. Anyone care to comment or note it?--Mudel 22:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ergo Proxy

message: The first soundtrack that drew international attention to Lee was for the movie "Daredevil". The successful duet "Bring Me to Life", featuring Paul McCoy of 12 Stones, was inspired when she met a friend of a friend. A total stranger who did not know her, somehow could see inside her and when he spoke his words, "woke her up inside". This encounter with a true Word of Knowledge inspired the hit that would launch her career. ---
---does not belong on the article untill a source is found Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 10:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: DannycastilloI'm going to change the picture since it's three years old. I found a new picture of her and she looks so different. - dannycastillo
DannycastilloOMG! GIVE ME A BREAK! THE PICTURE YOU HAVE IS LIKE THREE YEARS OLD!!! AMY HAS CHANGED!!! THE WORLD PROGRESSES!!! PEOPLE WANT TO SEE NEW STUFF!!!! AND IF YOU'RE INCINUTATING THAT IT ISN'T HER...THEN WHY ARE YOU IN CHARGE OF THIS PAGE IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING??? C'MON! SHE LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER IN THE PICTURE I WANT TO PUT UP!!!
That is not the point, thecurrent image is free of copyright, that is the bottom line. Please dont change it again. Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 21:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Main Image

message: There are 7 things that must pass before an article reaches GA status. I have reviewed it and the result is as follows:
#Well-written: Failed
#Factually accurate: Pass 
#Broad: Pass 
#Neutrally written: Pass
#Stable: Pass 
#Well-referenced: Pass
#Images: Pass
The lead needs improvement, otherwise, it would be find —Minun Spiderman 19:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Result

message: I'm just trying to figure out if Shaun Morgan of Seether is the ex-boyfriend of Amy Lee, because according to many recent news articles they are currently a couple... --Prezboy1 13:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No they split up quite a while ago, theres an article on MTV, if you want futher clarification. Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 14:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaun Morgan, ex or not? 

message: Would anyone care to explain why there is a link to Baldwin Pianos here? I don't see the relivance. Ogredrew 17:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither do i *removes*Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 17:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baldwin Link 

message: I have heard the statement about Amy Lee not wanting "You" distributed, or the lyrics posted, but I have never seen any proof that she actually said this.  
I saw that it was removed from A-Z Lyrics Universe and a comment of this sort was in its place.  I went to research it, looking on message boards, etc.  On one message board I saw it referring to the official home page ( http://www.Evanescence.com ) as having the request.  I searched and searched, but never found it.  
If it is true that Amy Lee actually did make this request to not distribute the song "You", or even its lyrics, I would love to see an official source referenced here, before it is put in the article.  Also, that it was written for "her family and friends" makes no sense -- if you have ever heard it, or even read the lyrics, it is a very romantic and intimate song about someone in a relationship with her.  I would support this statement with the lyrics, but I don't want to post them in case the statement is actually true.  
Thanks for your time and patience -- Pat McCroskey
:I'd be interested in hearing it and seeing the lyrics. Is there a place you can find either right now? I'm going to look into this a little further. Roguegeek 18:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well none of that was hard to find. [Links to copyvio websites removed] Also found these resources, although none of them qualify as a WP:RS reliable source. [Links to copyvio websites removed] Found the song on gomusic.ru (of course) also. [Links to copyvio websites removed] Roguegeek 18:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The song "You" 

message: My compliments on the article. The photos in particular are especially awesome. =) —Lantoka ( talk | contrib) 03:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awesome job you guys 

message: I've reverted the edit by Fluffy Kitten that removed :Category:American born-again Christians, as Jesus himself said "no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again" (John 3:3).  You cannot be a Christian "all your life".  You must make a personal commitment to Jesus yourself, whereupon you become a Christian and are "born again".  Robwingfield (talk) 13:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would make a hell of a lot of people who are "born again christians". I would have thought that because she has been brought up as a Christian and has never stopped believing in Christianity would not make her a born again Christian, just a Christian. The way you have made it seem, well to me personally and some may agree, is that everyone who is a Christian is actually a "Born Again Christian" and a whole lot of these articles need editing to make them fit with your theory about the subject, which for one, and not to seem rude with this, I don't actually agree with it. --Fluffy Kitten 14:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, precisely, there are an awful lot of people who are born again Christians.  You can't be a Christian and not be born again.  The distinction for Christians that are brought up in the Christian faith is that they may always have believed in Jesus, but at some point in their life they will have asked Jesus to be their personal saviour (otherwise they're not Christians themselves).  A synonym for being born again that you may be more familiar with is "conversion".  This isn't my theory, it's what the Bible says!  Have a look at John 3:3 that I've linked above, and also check out Religious conversion#Conversion to Christianity.  Robwingfield (talk) 15:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it not be best to put her under Christian Musicians? --Fluffy Kitten 16:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was ready to agree until I read this: "Christian musicians are musicians who make Christian music, such as choral music, gospel music, or Christian rock. This category is not for musicians who are also Christian, but who do not acknowledge Christian themes in their music. See also: Category:Christian musical groups" which is at :Category:Christian musicians.  So on that basis, I'd say it's best to leave the category as is.  Robwingfield (talk) 16:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born again Christian 

message: Five fair use images of Amy Lee plus six fair use images of all of the band's albums are a clear abuse of number 3 of the WP:FUC policy.  Would someone like to choose which get removed or should I?  —Wknight94 (talk) 03:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, "attractive" is not a fair use criteria.  The pictures are already available at the Evanescence page and policy says we need to use fair use pictures as little as possible.  —Wknight94 (talk) 15:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for gutting an otherwise awesome article. Jesus Christ. —Lantoka ( talk | contrib) 04:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome to read the policy.  Wikipedia doesn't own those pictures.  We're fortunate to be allowed to use any non-free pictures but using eight of them for no particular reason is totally abusing the privilege.  —Wknight94 (talk) 04:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh..ok..i've understood. Thanks! Armando (talk|contribs) 03:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use abuse 

message: The section on her choosing not emulating other celebrities "sex appeal" has a very non-NPOV feel; it could be said many critics feel her that she more of eyecandy for a subpar band. It needs to be rewritten or deleted. 72.155.176.156 04:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree totally with your statements.  MaxReg 02:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Issue? 

message: I removed the whole section relating to the alleged abuse (see WP:BLP). Having read both sources, there is NOTHING to say that he was physically abusive. While her attorneys have described it as an "abusive relationship", and Lee has said various uncomplimentary things about Moody, there is no way we can definitively state he was physically and emotionally abusive. The most that should be included is a note about the attorney's description of the relationship, and possibly some quotes from Lee. exolon 05:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a no-brainer.  Nice reference checking.  —Wknight94 (talk) 13:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  REMOVED abuse section  

message: I saw this somewhere else on wikipedia (see Amy Lee) stating that Amy Lee has stated that Plumb is one of her inspirations as well. It would be nice if this were updated. I don't have offical citation but this is common knowledge among most fans of Amy Lee. -(Chronicles1289)
:Done, with official citation :) -- Huntster T • @ • C 09:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Insiprations Update

message: Here is the link for what I wrote in the article. Could someone please reference it for me. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP7FQ3cjtuY
It's cool cause her dad recorded it and she sang bits too.
--Fluffy Kitten 11:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm hesitant to reference anything from YouTube these days unless the video owner specifically gives permission.  It's a very nice video, considering it's origin, but I'd appreciate other's input.  Beyond that, I'm leery of leaving your edit up, as a public statement of "I won't sing that" rather trumps a candid "I haven't sung it yet", at least the way I see it.  It also possibly violates the "Not a crystal ball" ideal.  Even then, I actually never heard it in the video, but the volume was a tad low :) -- Huntster T • @ • C 16:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh no, I'm not doubting that (however, there is no official Evanescence board, they are all technically fan-boards), I'm just saying that it probably isn't appropriate to write "but on a home video has said that she has not sung it live "yet", which leaves a possibility of her doing so in the future" for the above reasons.  I'd suggest removing that part, and leaving the rest, making it something like "The song "Hello" from Fallen was written in her memory, however, Lee has stated she will never sing "Hello" live."  This renders it NPOV and removes any possibility of crystal balling. (Also need to find a hard source for the 'never sing' bit too, but that's neither here nor there at the moment.) -- Huntster T • @ • C 19:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah I'm cool with that. I will have a look for a link for the "never sung it live bit". --Fluffy Kitten 10:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello

message: How come this article doesn't mention Amy's ethnicity? I assume she's White, but she's a bit short for a White girl IMO. Plus, she has black hair, which is fairly uncommon in Whites... Why sigh, cutie pie? 02:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because that would violate Original Research.  Anything said would be completely unsourced, and possibly blatantly untrue.  We're not here to gossip.  It may occur in a lower percentage, but black hair is not really that uncommon.  I mean, I have it :)  -- Huntster T • @ • C 05:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So she IS White, but she's never actually said it? Other articles on other celebs mention their race, "Bosworth is 25% Italian", "Tila Nguyen is Vietnamese with French blood." etc but for some reason Amy Lee has never said anything about her race. ― Sturr  Refill/lol 18:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not aware that she's ever made mention of her race, so saying that she *is* white is unfounded :)  See? The slippery slope of original research.  If we had some kind of source for a mention of racial heritage, it would be fine to include it, but at of yet, nothing has come up.  So keep your eye out...you never know about these things! -- Huntster T • @ • C 05:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I always thought she dyed it --Fluffy Kitten 16:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: *Isn't she Irish? Everyone else in the US is supposed to be, even Eddie Murphy, so she can't be the only one who isn't..... ;o) 86.17.247.135 03:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: I think that Amy Lee's family should be mentioned. I believe Lori Lee has given consent; I'll find out soon.Crazykid777 22:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Family is perfectly okay to mention, just so long as there is a source of the information! It's good to have a well-rounded article. -- Huntster T • @ • C 23:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentioning Amy Lee's Family