Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Lost task force/Archive 1

message: Do we have a copy of the LOST title image (white text with black BG) on Wikipedia? It would be a good addition to the Project page. I know we used to have copy, but it might have been removed for copyright reasons...? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 21:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could take one now, the problem is we cant use it on the project page as fair use is only allowed in main namespace. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. Could we "make" our own version (i.e. type some slanted text in Photoshop), or would that be a copyvio still? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 01:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOST image 

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I noticed that a lot of information in the singular episode articles is somewhat duplicated in the full-length season episode guides. I think perhaps these articles should be merged into List of Lost episodes, or we should go about merging the episode articles into these. At best, at least reduce the pages to short, paragraph-long synopses for each episode instead of as-is. --Tocapa 05:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you check the discussion at Talk:List of Lost episodes, you'll see that this was rather hotly debated a few months ago, and the general consensus, by a ratio of about 2:1, was that keeping episodes in individual articles was the way to go.  However, there has been some disagreement on the definition of "consensus", which eventually resulted in a formal mediation (which has been dragging on for months, since the mediator went AWOL).  If you'd like to follow along though, check Wikipedia_talk:Requests for mediation/Lost episodes. In the meantime, we get to maintain both the Season articles and the episode articles, until either an agreement is reached, or one side or the other just passes out from exhaustion.  ;) --Elonka 05:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I probably should've explained differently. What I meant was, the Episodes of Lost (season 1) and Episodes of Lost (season 2) articles both have long summaries of each episode, even though such information is already thoroughly covered by the individual articles. Why then, I ask, do the specific season articles continue to exist despite them basically condensing (and not especially well) the episode articles themselves? --Tocapa 06:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say, Elonka, I'm disappointed by your characterization and reduction of this long and complex debate.  My statements elsewhere stand for themselves, so I won't repeat them here, but the above is unfair and frankly a little offensive in its one-sided description. -- PKtm 05:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I apologize, and have removed the comment. --Elonka 00:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: We've actually been in mediation about exactly this issue for months, but it looks like we're finally reaching agreement on a compromise, which will involve keeping the individual episode articles, and reworking the season articles into "all-season" summaries rather than episode-by-episode lists.  We're also incorporating some of the decisions into a central guidelines page, which will be referenced on every episode's talk page via the  template.  We're still getting final signoff on this, but if you'd like to follow along in the discussion, check Wikipedia_talk:Requests for mediation/Lost episodes. --Elonka 05:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I noticed that. It's pretty much a compromise just so things will move along, rather than being motivated by logic. Don't get me wrong, if this is what you guys have to do to get on with it, then ok, but I shudder to think that this could become an acceptable example of how things should be done. The root of the matter is that it's either episode articles or season articles, and keeping one or the other for another reason is pretty much to avoid further dispute. -- Ned Scott 06:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode lists vs. episode articles 

message: the community needs to choose a collabartion of the month via a concensus, would anyone like to "nominate" an article we should all collabarate on for the remainder of this month  ? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say List of songs featured on Lost because it is muddled and practically all listed.  SergeantBolt (t,c) 06:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  COTM 

message: Do you think it would good to formulate a way to go about the articles?  Right now they pretty much summarize the episodes from start to finish pretty well, but it can be quite clumsy when it comes to the way the article is written.  There are a lot of "at the beach" or "in this flashback" kind of lines, and I was just thinking, do you all think it would be something to try to seperate the two in each article: Have one section be for the island story and one for the flashback story?  It appears that (as of right now) the Exodus article does that to some extent, and it makes both sections flow a bit better (at least in my opinion).  So I was thinking, should this be something to consider in future work on the articles? Radagast83 07:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think having a written set of guidelines on "How to write a Lost episode article" would be an excellent idea. --Elonka 00:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I went ahead and started a page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines.  Feedback and additions are appreciated. --Elonka 18:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode article structure 

message: I understand that everyone is all happy and eager to get stuff done via a WikiProject.. but it doesn't actually seem that the Project's real value is even known to it's current participants. Lets slow down here and think of why this is a good idea, because, don't get me wrong, it is a good idea.
A WikiProject is a way to help organize collaborative efforts to related articles. One of the best things a project like this can do is make it's participants aware of the tools that already exist. We don't have to re-invent the wheel here.  Lets make ourselves aware of some of the existing fictional and TV-related guidelines so people know what's appropriate or not. A WikiProject is not an independent ruling party, or it's own government that can make up it's own rules for "their" articles.  As a WikiProject we should hold ourselves to a higher standard to learn about and follow existing guidelines, policy, and consensus in related matters.
We haven't even added  to the project page yet, and people are already talking about a COTW and making newsletter graphics. Don't over-extend yourselves, get the basics covered first, or you'll just run out of steam. If we really want this project to be effective (and last longer than the average TV-related WikiProject) then we should think about why we're here as a project and how best to use our efforts. -- Ned Scott 08:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you code perl? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 12:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and added that template to the project page. We should definitely link back to wikiproject television as they have some useful guidelines. Notability guidelines and writing about fiction are other links that might be useful. I think maybe image guidelines might be appropriate too. In terms of the templates section I think it would be useful to explain where to use them. I don't think it is too soon to discuss a collaboration. One of our main stated to goals is to improve Lost related articles and this is a good way to get started. I agree that cosmetic issues should come after the basics but some wikipedians are much more skilled than me at such things and I'm happy to have some of them working on the wikiproject!--Opark 77 14:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting ahead of ourselves 

message: Many months ago, after reading Bad Twin, I started creating an article for the Lost tie-in novels.  I stopped working on the article after a few days because I was preoccupied with work related projects and as I was reading the other tie-in novels I discovered they really sucked.  However, with the creation of the project perhaps there are people who would be interested in reviving this article and finishing it off.  I would be happy to help of course, but I probably won't do anything with it unless other people want to as well.  I noticed that there is a collaboration of the week, so this article may be a good one to start with.  You can view the last edit I made to the page in my sandbox. Jtrost (T | C | #) 22:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have all the novels by Cathy Hapka (Signs of Life, Endangered Species, Secret Identity), I can give it a go if you like? Calvin 16:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost tie-in novels 

message: The mediation is complete, with unanimous agreement on a compromise. :)  See Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Lost episodes for the full story.
One of the elements of the compromise, was that the agreed-upon guidelines need to be posted on each episode's talk page.  I'd originally suggesed a  template to accomplish this, which linked to Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines, but upon reflection, this might be better included in the Lost WikiProject banner, to reduce talk page clutter.  In other words, instead of the current template which says:
This page falls within the scope of the Lost WikiProject, a collaborative effort to improve all Wikipedia articles relating to Lost.
I am going to change it to say:
This page falls within the scope of the Lost WikiProject, a collaborative effort to improve all Wikipedia articles relating to Lost.  All information on the television show, especially in episode summaries, must comply with the Lost television series guidelines.
Thoughts? --Elonka 06:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  All of those are already listed on the Guidelines page though, right?  The advantages I see to putting it into the WikiProject banner are: (1) The banner is already on all the necessary pages, so they'll automatically be updated with the proper wording; (2) The banner is also on the other non-episode pages, which I believe can also benefit from being pointed to the guidelines, since most of the same rules apply (keep things short, don't included unsourced info, etc.); (3) reduce clutter, which increases the possibility that things will actually be read. --Elonka 17:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they DON'T seem to be listed on the Guidelines page, especially the part about how trivia should be kept to a minimum.  I side with Jtrost on this.  Explicit (and unavoidable) trumps brief. -- PKtm 18:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify/extend: what is on the Guidelines page should be verbatim what we agreed to in mediation.  Not moved around or summarized or parts left out. We owe that much to the process and to all its participants. -- PKtm 18:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am confused, because as near as I can tell, it is on the guidelines page, though it's in a paragraph form instead of presented as a bulleted list.  If there's anything on the guidelines page that you disagree with though, then please, by all means feel free to edit it so that it meets your expectations: Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines. --Elonka 18:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just did point out one thing, above, which is not there (mention of trivia being kept to a minimum).  Fine; I'm going to make it verbatim.  I'm puzzled as to why that falls on my shoulders at this point, following a successful mediation where the results are evident to all.  We shouldn't be recasting things. -- PKtm 18:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My heavens. I see no harm in being specific, especially if doing so helps set minds at ease. I suspect we are mostly concerned with casual editors who will drop by to make minor edits after the articles are set up by more frequent editors, and who will be less likely to follow the links to the wikiproject pages. Thatcher131 18:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: As I mentioned above, there's a savings in hassle, since the WikiProject banner is already on all the necessary pages, so they'll automatically be updated with the proper wording.  Also, the banner is already on the other non-episode pages, such as Mythology, Thematic motifs, individual character pages, etc., which I believe can also benefit from being pointed to the guidelines, since most of the same rules apply. Further, most new users aren't going to read the talk page anyway, so it doesn't matter how big the banner is -- in other words, the main people that are going to have to deal with it are us, the frequent editors, and I hate having to deal with talk pages where I have to scroll down past umpteen banners that I've already read before.  ;)  And lastly, much of the wording on the guidelines page was placed there by our mediator, so I want to ensure that we have a link to it from all necessary pages. --Elonka 21:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Two birds with one stone?  (It could be prettied up, but tables aren't my forte.)  Make it a template that does both jobs, and use the smaller template for non-episode articles. Thatcher131 21:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's hassle you're concerned about, I'll volunteer to add the template to each talk page.  These guidelines only apply to episode articles, so I don't think we should be using them on non-episode articles.  We could develop separate guidelines for non-episode articles.  I feel like that by not putting these guidelines on each talk page that we're hiding them from other editors.  We didn't go through this entire mediation just to have the results be completely ignored. Jtrost (T | C | #) 19:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why not use these guidelines for all Lost-related articles, instead of just the episodes? --Elonka 20:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like the first bullet point would be able to be incorporated into other articles, but the rest of them are generally geared towards episodes.  I would fully support creating guidelines for other articles, though. Jtrost (T | C | #) 22:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  My recommendation is that for ease of use and reference, we keep everything on one page, like at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines.  The page can easily be moved to a more generic title (feel free to pick something that you're comfortable with), and then we'll include the mediation guidelines in a specific section of it. --Elonka 23:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Please avoid falling into unfair and negative characterizations of other editors, Ned.  I was not "yelling my head off" about verbatim guidelines in general; I was calmly pointing out something only in context of Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines and what had been clearly omitted from that page.  My comment was "what is on the Guidelines page should be verbatim what we agreed to in mediation", and I stand by that comment.  Please remember to assume good faith.  It'd also be nice if other editors (besides the one who is attacked) would speak up at times like this. -- PKtm 23:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that, I didn't really mean to single you out. I was just worried that we'd get caught up into the details and such. But I do find it odd that the mediation case came up with guidelines that we were already supposed to be following. -- Ned Scott 01:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there's a misunderstanding.  The mediation created these guidelines.  --  Wikipedical 22:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Completed mediation

message: FYI, there is currently a move to delete all "actors in <show>" categories, including :Category:Lost actors.  See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 September 29#Actors by television series subcategories.  The jury's still debating whether or not this will pass, but in the meantime, it might behoove us to make a List of Lost actors article in case our category does go away. --Elonka 16:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category change

message: I have nominated List of Lost episodes for Featured List status.  The nomination page can be found here.  --  Wikipedical 22:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The candidacy page will be up for one or two more days, so I encourage all editors to get out and rock the vote.  --  Wikipedical 23:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: *So the nomination period was extended until tonight-  Editors, please vote on our nomination before it finishes.  --  Wikipedical 22:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Lost episodes - featured list candidate 

message: I know I'm not affiliated with the Wikiproject, but I do have a love for Lost, just like everyone else here.  I have noticed that both Rachel Blake and Gary Troup appear in the Lost Characters category.  Neither of these characters have been mentioned in the show, as of yet.  If I tilt my head to the side and squint I can see how Gary Troup can be in such a category as he was purportedly on board flight 815.  But I'm afraid I can't see Rachel Blake in the category.  If there is an overwhelming groundswell of support for her to stay in the category then I reccomend a new category be created to catalogue the characters in the Lost Experience.  I don't feel that they belong in a category that is dedicated to the show. --Mr Vain 02:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really have a response to your question but just wanted to say that, the way WikiProjects work, you are actually a participant by simply posting that message :) Some editors choose to add themselves to a list, but this is more of a way to spread the word about the Project itself. Any editor, at any level, can be involved in the project how much or how little they feel like. A WikiProject is more about the effort to improve the articles than it is a specific group of people. -- Ned Scott 02:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the welcome.  I have removed Rachel Blake from the aforementioned category with a comment in the talk page saying why I did it and how it wouldn't start an edit war.  I have also left a comment on the Gary Troup talk page about how that article is listed in the category as well.  I am waiting for a good enough reason to keep him in the category. I feel like I need more than he was purportedly on the plane and the manuscript of the book was found in the wreckage.  My reason is this: Why not say that Charles Dickens is a character of lost because a couple books have been mentioned on the show?  Unless Gary Troup has an active role in the plot, then I will continue to see him as an easter egg of the Lost Experience.  --Mr Vain 18:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Lost Experience Characters in Lost Characters category 

message: While doublechecking redirects, I noticed some old "Season" infoboxes at Template:Infobox Lost season one at Template:Infobox Lost season two.  They don't appear to be being used, so I recommend nominating them for deletion.  Before I proceed though, I wanted to check here: Can anyone think of a reason that we should keep either of these around? --Elonka 07:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any reason, Elonka - they're definitely not useable.  I suggest you just go ahead and nominate.  SergeantBolt (t,c) 19:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both TfD's are now at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 October 18.  --  Wikipedical 20:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Leftover infoboxes

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lost further reading, nominated for deletion as a spam db. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 08:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lost further reading]] 

message: It was becoming exceptionally annoying removing there spam and hence they are now balcklisted, the software will not allow anyone to post anything: lostpedia(.net|.com|.org) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 17:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lostpedia 

message: It might interest some people to know that one of our own, Elonka, has been put in for a Request for Adminship.  Let's wish her the best of luck! SergeantBolt (t,c) 19:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Elonka's RfA

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages: 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
*User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
*User:Badbilltucker/Science directory
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory.
The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. 
It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 13:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: Requesting comments for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines#Name suffix - a debate over the use of disambiguation titles for episode articles of a TV show when no disambiguation is needed. -- Ned Scott 20:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting comments for Lost episodes 

message: There is an ongoing poll and Request for Comment at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)#RfC Episode Article Naming conventions which has direct relevance to how to title the Lost episode articles.  All interested editors are invited to participate. --Elonka 22:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming conventions poll

message: Is the section even needed? Nicknames are a common occurence in many shows, books, films and so on. Why is it important to have a huge list on Sawyer's page? Nicknames are fun to know about, but it's certainly not decent encyclopedia content in my opinion. It's simply fancruft to me, and should be deleted. Anyone care to share their thoughts on this? RobJ1981 19:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An interesting list, but way too trivial. Maybe two or three examples would be good just to note that these references are made, but that's about as far as I'd take it. -- Ned Scott 08:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, this discussion is also taking place at the talk page for the Sawyer article.  Riverbend 16:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicknames list on the [[James "Sawyer" Ford]] page?

message: Someone want to AfD this? Matthew Fenton (talk contribs &site=en.wikipedia.org count email) 13:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tricia Tanaka is Dead]] 

message: There is a discussion on the talk page of "I Do" about the appropriate way to refer to Eko's stick - prayer stick, scripture stick, or Jesus stick.  Does anyone else have any ideas?  Riverbend 16:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will "stick" not suffice? Matthew Fenton (talk contribs &site=en.wikipedia.org count email) 16:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Charlie refers to it as Jesus stick. Calvin 16:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eko's Stick 

message: There is currently an active debate at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) about the naming of episode articles, such as when it is appropriate to use a suffix such as (<series name> episode), and whether or not WikiProjects should have the right to set guidelines for their particular shows.  Any interested editors are invited to comment, at Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (television)#Request for comment. --Elonka 09:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that's not what's being debated.  The issue is whether wikiprojects can set guidlines that contradict the global guidelines of wikipedia.  There hasn't been a single argument that wikiprojects shouldn't have the right to make their own guidelines.  --Milo H Minderbinder 14:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for comment - naming of episode articles

message: The scope of WikiProject Lost states "Our project is designed to help collaborate a group effort in improving all articles related to the television series Lost."  Lostpedia is an article connected to the television series Lost by characteristics shared with the television show Lost.  Labeling Lostpedia with a personal, unsupported opinion that the Wikipedia article is a fan site is irrelevant to this fact.   I agree that the Lost Experience fansite is not include in the scope of WikiProject Lost even though the article Lost Experience is within the stated scope WikiProject Lost.  MatthewFenton deleted (and again deleted) the WikiProject Lost template on the Lostpedia talk page without explaining his actions on the article talk page.  Just because MatthewFenton started WikiProject Lost, it does not give him the uncivil right to delete the posts of others without proper discussion.  Rather than explain how Lostpedia does not fit within the scope of WikiProject Lost, he demands that a consensus be reached.  I am posting here for an explaination of  how Lostpedia does not fit within the scope of WikiProject Lost and a justification for MatthewFenton's actions.-- Jreferee 17:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Lost ''Lostpedia''

message: A section spun off from this article, the List of flashbacks on Lost article is not encylopedic information intended for Wikipedia. Maybe Lostpedia. The AfD page is here.  --  Wikipedical 05:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD- flashbacks 

message: Several of the Lost categories are up for renaming right now.  If anyone would like to participate in the discussion, please visit:
* Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 27#Lost
--Elonka 23:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category renaming

message: * Not in Portland has been recreated:
* Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Episode 307 thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD 

message: Since last month, a large number of changes were implemented in the LostNav without any discussion. I note that the last consensus version appears to be the one at November 15-- although the wording of "Primary" versus "Main" and "Secondary" versus "Supporting" appears to be in dispute-- and would recommend reverting to that one. I would further ask for input before this multi-article-affecting template is edited further. See: Template_talk:LostNav#Undiscussed_changes_to_Nav--LeflymanTalk 20:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LostNav needs consensus 

message: An article was created for the black smoke.  The AfD page is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Smoke Monster (Lost).  --  Wikipedical 02:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD- black smoke 

message: I was a member of the List of Lost episodes mediation a few months ago, where we unanimously came up to a consensus regarding season/individual episode articles.  The guideline that we established for season episodes straight from Wikipedia:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines#General article guidelines reads as follows:
"In lieu of Episodes of Lost (season X), Lost season X may be created, consisting of a summary of the main themes and developments of the season, for the reader who wants a broad overview before diving into the individual articles. These season wraparound articles should be relatively brief, link to the individual episode articles where appropriate, and should not attempt to summarize individual episodes but rather emphasize broad themes, plot arcs and character developments."
As of now, these pages do not discuss any themes or character developments; they are blatantly plot summaries.  Per WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Point 7 (Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic.), I feel that the current season pages do not pass this policy, and I am debating whether to put the season pages up for AfD and begin the pages again entirely.   What do others think?  --  Wikipedical 04:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why delete them as opposed to just rewriting them? --Elonka 04:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am just concerned because currently the articles do not pass policy.  How do you suppose we go about rewriting them?  --  Wikipedical 04:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text: With the large number of Lost related articles, I'm not sure I see the point in looking for a reason to keep a redundant article. -- Ned Scott 04:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with Lost season pages 

message: I have just joined WikiProject Lost and need a job. I'll do anything, just tell me what to do and I'm on it. Mr. Crabby 03:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Give me a Job 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards