Talk:Holy day of obligation

message: May someone please give an external source to the country obligations? I'm having difficulty finding where such information comes from. Thank you.  --24.79.216.175 02:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External source for obligations by country 

message: From the article:
"The Code of Canon Law states:
The faithful are obliged to [...] abstain from those works and affairs which hinder the worship to be rendered to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s day, or the suitable relaxation of mind and body."
The article would be well-suited by authoritative sources of how this grammar is interpreted in different cultures, times and sects.  An example (not necessarily good, but illustrative):
"abstain from those works and affairs which: hinder the worship to be rendered to God; hinder the joy proper to the Lord’s day; or hinder the suitable relaxation of mind and body."
Minor changes in punctuation and emphasis can mean major differences in approach to obligation, prayer and observance.  What is "suitable relaxation", in the context of this sentence, not per se.  Some canon history about this would be good.  --Marquess (talk) 15:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basic Meaning of Day of Obligation 

message: What is the actual status of St Pat's in Ireland?  It's listed here as an HDO, but it's not one of the ten listed at the top of the article.  If it is an HDO in Ireland, that should be specifically commented on in the Ireland section.... /blahedo (t) 09:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is a holy day of obligation in Ireland, and has long been so. Admittedly, it is exceptional for a country to have as a holy day of obligation a feast that is not in the canon 1246 list; but I have difficulty in imagining what comment should be added to the Ireland section, which already states that Saint Patrick's Day is a holy day of obligation in Ireland and gives an Internet site that enables anyone who doubts it to check for himself.  Lima 10:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thoughts, I have added a comment, not under "Ireland", where I found it would be difficult, but under "Observance by country".  Lima 10:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. Patrick's Day 

message: Um. I'm not sure if you realise this, but the CCEO has no juridical standing in the Eastern Catholic Churches. InfernoXV 10:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Confusion, I think, between the Code of Canon Law, which "concerns only the Latin Church" (canon 1 of that Code) and the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, which "concerns all the Eastern Catholic Churches and only them, unless, it is expressly stated otherwise in connection with relations with the Latin Church" (canon 1 of that Code).  For what other than the Eastern Catholic Churches could the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches have juridical standing?  Lima 10:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No confusion there actually. What happened was Rome decided one day to plonk a document on the table, saying to the Eastern Churches, 'hello chaps, here's a unified code of canon law for all of you'. Nobody asked Rome to do this, as none of us consider it within Rome's rights to make canon law for us. Basically what then happened next was that our bishops and patriarchs took the book, told Rome 'thank you very much for this', put the book on the shelf, and continued life as before. We have our own canons, based on our traditions and spirituality, and the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches reflects a markedly different style of thinking. We have multiple rites, with several different ways of doing things - the CCEO attempts to cover us all, which is impossible. This is why the CCEO has no official standing in our Churches. The matter of holy days of obligation is an obvious example of latinisation - the concept of an obligation to attend church is foreign to us. InfernoXV 13:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard few positive comments from within the Eastern Catholic Churches concerning the CCEO. Without going into details, I'll just say that it's both criticized and ignored. Majoreditor 14:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Code of Canons for the Eastern Churchres 

message: I take the ten ones already in this article and I add Easter because : "Can.  1246 §1. Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated, must be observed in the universal Church as the primordial holy day of obligation. So, you have eleven ones and so I'm in conformity with cited and quoted source. --Dorajor (talk) 19:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Code of Canon Law does not say: "Easter Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated ..."  It says: "Sunday, on which ..."  There are 52, sometimes 53, Sundays in the year.  On each of them "the paschal mystery is celebrated".  The article correctly says "ten days apart from Sundays". Easter is a Sunday.  Lima (talk) 19:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well - technically maybe. An example for the technicality of this: In Germany both Sundays and HDOs (and Labor Day and the National Holiday) are free from work (by state law; the Episcopal Conference has taken away the obligation from the others), and whoever legally does work (under state law), gets a percentage of extra wages (by collective bargaining). So far so good. A specific collective bargaining prescribed a percentage of 200% extra for holidays, and some 50%, I think, for Sundays. Now the High Court for Working Affairs has recently produced the, with all due respect, absurd decision that Easter Sunday was a Sunday with 50%, while Easter Monday throughout the country is an undisputed holiday on 200%. --84.154.113.59 (talk) 11:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eleven Holy Days of Obligation - why? 

message: Won't Hungary also have an "extra" HDO on St. Stephen the King, August 20th, which is a public holiday and a probably a sollemnity or feast at least (it is a memorial even in the general calendar)? --84.154.75.118 (talk) 16:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As you know, there are many solemnities that are not holy days of obligation, and there are many public holidays that are not holy days of obligation.  In Ireland, 1 January is a public holiday and a liturgical solemnity, but it is not a holy day of obligation; and 6 January is not a public holiday, but it is a holy day of obligation.  Esoglou (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To explain my question: I'm German. That explains it. - I know there are sollemnities that are not of obligation. I do know that there are public holidays not of obligation, but I would never feel about them as many. (We have German Unity and Labor Day and that's it. And Labor Day is, though yes, not of obligation, the memorial and former feast of St. Joseph the Labourer, and in Bavaria also the solemnity of the Blessed Virgin as patroness.) I can't help to feel it somewhat odd to have a sollemnity on a public holiday without any obligation, as you say about Ireland. Whereas I like by the way that the Irish have the courage to leave to such a high feast as Epiphany its obligation even "against the state". (Imagine that the Magi are enshrined in Cologne, Northrhine-Westphalia, and see their sollemnity transferred to the Sunday and, what follows logically, somewhat forgotten!) Thus I know St. Stephen the King is a public holiday and I figure a sollemnity, and the very origin of the public holiday is exactly the religious content of the sollemnity in question. From which I can't help to conclude: it must be of obligation. --84.154.91.193 (talk) 16:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Hungary

message: Whoever listed Finland needs to insert the Holy Days of Obligation imposed by the bishop's copnference there. Many other countries are not listed because nobody has taken the tim to find the holy days there. It would make more sense to remove the name Finland if nobody will insert the holy days as opposed to adding all the countries missing holy day lists on the page. Taram (talk) 04:48, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: To assist that editor, I have added the required information.  Esoglou (talk) 14:02, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank youTaram (talk) 01:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unfortunate that my doing so has encouraged the editor to repeat again and again.  It is better to discourage it.  Esoglou (talk) 07:56, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Finland

message: Is the local holiday which, as far as I know, may be chosen by the province or left to communes, etc. (South Tyrol has Pentecost Monday, to match their Austrian-Tyrolean neighbors, etc.) and which very frequently is religious in nature, local patron saint and so forth, a holiday of obligation? --131.159.0.47 (talk) 22:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Italy, local holidays?

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message: The article is exploding and rather inconsistent in its terminology. What about making it into a table? I would follow the model of the article Multi-speed Europe. So it would look like this, with “x” meaning “always a holy day of obligation”, “c” (or another letter) meaning “sometimes a holy day of obligation, it depends”, and “o” meaning “never a holy day of obligation”. A “notes” section could also be added to further clarify the content (e.g. extra holidays apart from the ones listed, holidays transferred to a Sunday if it falls on a Saturday or a Monday, etc.
What do you think?
Bishops' conference	Mary Mother of God	Epiphany	Saint Joseph	Ascension	Corpus Christi	Saints Peter and Paul	Assumption	All Saints	Immaculate Conception	Christmas
Austria            	x                 	x       	o           	x        	x             	o                    	x         	x         	x                    	x
England and Wales  	o                 	x       	o           	x        	o             	x                    	x         	x         	o                    	x
France             	o                 	o       	o           	x        	o             	o                    	x         	x         	o                    	x
Germany            	x                 	c       	o           	x        	c             	o                    	c         	c         	o                    	x
Bishops' conference	Mary Mother of God	Epiphany	Saint Joseph	Ascension	Corpus Christi	Saints Peter and Paul	Assumption	All Saints	Immaculate Conception	Christmas
De wafelenbak (talk) 22:01, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better layout