Talk:Chronology of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (LDS Church)

message: Is is time to archive some/all of this talk page? -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 22:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Banaticus (talk) 22:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive? 

message: Hello. While I applaud the correction recently made to this article, that Brigham Young Jr. remained Quorum President while George Q. Cannon, his apostolic senior, served in the First Presidency, the second half of that assertion I do not agree with. Brigham Young Jr. was ordained an apostle prior to the ordination of Joseph F. Smith as such, but Joseph F. Smith was the first of the two to be appointed to serve in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. And while there may have been a time in the Church after the ordination of both that Brigham Young Jr. was considered the senior apostle, he was the junior in membership of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. This gets more confusing when reading a paper on the issue that says that Brigham Young Jr. was initially sustained as the junior to Joseph F. Smith, but that six months later, in the sustaining of Church officers, Brigham Young Jr. had been listed as senior to Joseph F. Smith. This change was made at Brigham Young's insistence, and regardless of how his son felt on the matter. It was only in the year 1900, when the matter came up before the First Presidency (Lorenzo Snow, George Q, Cannon, and Joseph F. Smith), based on a question from the President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (Franklin D. Richards at that time), that the matter of who should be senior in that case came up. As a result of discussing this issue, the seniority of Brigham Young Jr. and Joseph F. Smith were reversed.  So while George Q. Cannon and Joseph F. Smith were both serving in the First Presidency, Cannon was senior to Young Jr. who was senior tom Smith, until 1901, after which it was Cannon, then Smith, then Young Jr. And based on that, Smith would have become Quorum President at the time Cannon passed away. But Brighan Young Jr. retained the Quorum Presidency despite the fact that Joseph F. Smith was then senior to him in the apostleship. If Brigham Young Jr. had been senior in the apostleship to Joseph F., he would have been the 6th President of the Church for the 2.5 years between the death of Lorenzo Snow and his own passing. Just wanted to make that point clearer than it was stated in the edit summary. Brigham Young Jr. was the first to be ordained an apostle, but actually took his place in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles after Joseph F. Smith had been a member of that quorum for a couple of years. Hope that adequately addresses any confusion on this issue --Jgstokes (talk) 04:25, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: When was Brigham Young Jr first listed as senior to Joseph F. Smith?  I think that should be part of the chronology.  Other changes in seniority order are listed. FreePeoples (talk) 17:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Q. Cannon, Brigham Young Jr., and Joseph F. Smith 

message: Hello again, everyone! While I appreciate the ongoing good-faith efforts of editors to ensure that we don't jump the gun and assume that today's announcement from President Nelson means he will be announcing the new First Presidency on Tuesday, this article from the Salt Lake Tribune, which is well known for its' coverage of LDS matters and has no direct connection to the Church, seems to verify that the purpose of Nelson's address and the subsequent press conference will be for the new First Presidency to be announced and to meet the media. If there are any further questions on this point, I would welcome them here. I do agree, however, that we should not jump the gun and insert dates in the future for events that are anticipated but have not yet happened. I have studied enough about the transitions in Church presidencies to know that the meeting of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in which the First Presidency will be reorganized will likely occur tomorrow, as Sunday has been the standard day on which that occurs for at least the last 10 of the 16 presidents of the LDS Church. With that in mind, the 14th will likely be the day for that reorganization, even if the announcement is deferred to the following Tuesday. Until Tuesday, though, we will not know for certain that it will have occurred tomorrow. So patience is needed, but I wanted to pass all of this along. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 22:40, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think it is worthwhile to note that, if a reorganization is announced on Tuesday, it is likely that it actually took place on Sunday. The precedent of having such changes occur on Sunday has held true for all new Church presidents since Spencer W. Kimball. His 11 predecessors were ordained on other days of the week, but a precedent that has held true for the last 5 transitions does appear to make it safe to assume that the press conference on Tuesday will have taken place effective sometime tomorrow. But until that is verified on Tuesday, it is speculation and should not be included here on Wikipedia. --Jgstokes (talk) 00:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession in the First Presidency 

message: 1) I don't see a point in making multiple charts unless we're trying to make it easier to see particular dates.  I took the first chart and made it big.  Should the same happen with the other charts or should it all be combined into one chart?  2) I think we can all agree that those who are actually in the Quorum of the 12 Apostles are an apostle, right?  So they should have "tenure as an apostle" yet this seems to be reserved for the president of the church or when there wasn't yet a quorum.  So all of the current 12 apostles are marked as not currently having tenure as an apostle.  We need different verbiage. Banaticus (talk) 23:03, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  1. Multiple charts or one chart? 2. Apostle or not?