Talk:Animated cartoon

message: Information included here is nothing different than Animation.  KyuuA4 05:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Animation

message: I'm getting more and more confused the more I look at it.  Is this page even necessary?  We already have an Traditional animation page.  Doesn't "animated cartoon" specifically mean "traditionally-animated cartoon"?  That's what people who're changing my edits (not that I blame them) seem to be saying to me.  I understand that that article is more technical in nature than this one, but I can't help but feel that maybe this article should be somehow merged with either the traditional animation article or the Animation article (which bears many similarities to this one, only is more broad in its topic because it talks about ALL animated films, not just traditionally-animated ones).  Can anyone tell me why this article is needed as a separate entity from one of those two? If I don't get any good responses, I may think about starting a discussion to merge this article with one of those two (probably the Animation one), but I want to get a feel for why people think it deserves its own name first.  Esn 08:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I originally created this page because "animated cartoon" was a redirect that took you to the cartoon article, with just one paragraph about animation. Yes, this article could be merged into either animation or traditional animation, but, OTOH, those are somewhat different subjects. An animated cartoon really is a short, hand-drawn (maybe also using computers) motion picture for the movie, TV or computer screen. Feature animation really doesn't belong here, as the opening paragraph in that section in fact implies, and belongs more naturally in the traditional animation article. The field of animation is so large and multi-faceted that everything cannot be crammed into one article... --Janke | Talk 16:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, you have a point - I think I do see the need for this article now.  In that case, though, it should be made abundantly clear that the topic of this article is NOT animation as a whole, but animated cartoons specifically - "short, hand-drawn (maybe also using computers) movies for the cinema, TV or computer screen" (sorry, changed your definition there slightly ;).  From looking at the "history" section, you'd think that this was an article about the entire field of animation, and this is made even worse by the fact that many who come across this page may not realize that it is not.  I think we should clean up the history section and make it focus on the development of the cartoon specifically, not of animation in general.  They are related, but they are certainly not synonymous. Esn 06:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, I've changed the opening paragraph... Esn 06:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ok, just what is this page about?

message: I'm just wondering - should any attempts be made to make this article less US-centric?  Other countries have quite a rich history of animation as well, but if we include all of it it's certainly not going to be as nice and neat as it is now.  Oh, and also - what does cartoon mean exactly? I'm assuming that it doesn't include all types of animation, correct?  So which ones DOES it include?  I may have made a mistake by adding information about types of animation which are not labelled "cartoons" - I'm just not sure. Esn 02:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: US-Centric?

message: To reflect that NTSC and PAL shoot at different frame rates.
: Reverted, gets too complicated to state all - 24, 25 and 30 fps. "frames" now links to frame (film) . --Janke | Talk 06:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edited Intro

message: Internet animation isn't really a genre. Would you really put The Demented Cartoon Movie in the same genre as There she is!!? I put Animutation in as separate step. I'm not claiming that all Internet animations are Animutations. --Billpg 09:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed, "Internet Cartoon" is just a medium. There are quite a few genres that could be put into that section of the article, and im not sure how specific it needs to be. "Zany humor" is slightly more vague than "Animutation". Is Zany Humor a style of animation anyway? the list needs a major overhaul, methinks. -- jeffthejiff (talk) 12:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please expand as you see fit. I originally created the list off-the-cuff, that's why I put a section-stub tag on it. The intention is that the main genres of animation should be listed, but not of course every single little sub-genre. PS: If you find a better name for the zany Clampett/Avery genre of 1940s and 50s cartoons, let's discuss it here! --Janke | Talk 19:46, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article seems to be about the art of animation as well as actual cartoons. So i dunno, theres quite a lot that can be encompassed within the article. I'm not entirely sure what the focus is. The list though - should it be styles of animation in cartoons or genres of cartoons (like movie genres)? -- jeffthejiff (talk) 22:40, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, styles or genres, that's a matter of taste. My intention with the list was also to present a timeline of the artistic development of the animated cartoon, something that is missing in the other wiki artcles about animation. Feel free to change the section header to styles, if you think it's better. This is a fairly new article, so it will certainly develop much further in the future. --Janke | Talk 06:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dont think its better particularly, i was just wondering where the article is heading. But now that i look at other animation articles, there is quite a bit of stuff missing i think, although i'm not an expert in the field of animation. There is a lot of stuff that could be written here though; might i suggest WP:RFE or something? -- jeffthejiff (talk) 12:11, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done - let's see how it develops... --Janke | Talk 19:16, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

text:  When I have a chance, I can put in something about Rotoscope. I'm thinking it should be in here as a style. --Happylobster 21:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

text: * Well, rotoscoping is more a technique than a style - rotoscoping can be used to create animation in many styles. But if you're thinking about the particular style used in music videos, I've included that in the list. --Janke | Talk 10:03, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nah, I'm going beyond A-Ha's Take on Me. Consider the work of Ralph Bakshi. I would agree it's a technique he uses. However, when you see rotoscoping in the original Lord of the Rings cartoon and most of his other movies, it's unmistakably Bakshi. That to me suggests a style. Do you agree? --Happylobster 15:47, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, rotoscoping can be used to create many different styles, Bakshi's was just one (and not too good, IMHO). But I think it's OK to mention rotoscoping as a technique to implement a style. But lest this list grows too long, I'd not make a separate entry about it. --Janke | Talk 10:48, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Point made. I'll probably leave it be. Thanks. --Happylobster 14:57, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replace "Internet animation" with "Animutation" 

message: I added Warner Brother and Mel Blanc to the notable artists. I know Mel Blanc wasn't an animator per se, but he seems quite notable and where would animated cartoons be without his voice? --SavoirFaireIsEverywhere 23:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I revertyed your additions for the following reasons: Mel Blanc was a voice artist, not an animation artist, WB is a studio, not a producer. (Clampett was one of WB's producers, and he's mentioned...) --Janke | Talk 08:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions to the notable artists 

message: ===Notes===
===Bibliography===
* Barrier, J. Michael. Hollywood Cartoons: American Animation in Its Golden Age. New York: Oxford University Press, 1999. .
* Bendazzi, Giannalberto. Cartoons: One Hundred Years of Cinema Animation. Bloomington, Indiana: Indiana University Press, 1994. .
* Maltin, Leonard. Of Mice and Magic: A History of American Animated Cartoons. New York: Plume, 1980. . 
* Stabile, Carol and Mark Harrison, eds. Prime Time Animation: Television Animation and American Culture. London: Routledge, 2003. .
* Stephenson, Ralph. The Animated Film. London: Tantivity Press, 1973. .
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thread_title: References

message: * Barrier, J. Michael. Hollywood Cartoons: American Animation in Its Golden Age. New York: Oxford University Press, 1999. .
* Bendazzi, Giannalberto. Cartoons: One Hundred Years of Cinema Animation. Bloomington, Indiana: Indiana University Press, 1994. .
* Maltin, Leonard. Of Mice and Magic: A History of American Animated Cartoons. New York: Plume, 1980. . 
* Stabile, Carol and Mark Harrison, eds. Prime Time Animation: Television Animation and American Culture. London: Routledge, 2003. .
* Stephenson, Ralph. The Animated Film. London: Tantivity Press, 1973. .
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thread_title: Bibliography

message: This strictly conventional bibliographic record would first establish the "credentials" of the article and  answer the questions of verifiability and accuracy posed by other editors. I would be pleased to help you create the framework for referencing and sourcing your information. If you note above, I have re-established your sources into a "References" section, identifying "Notes" (endnotes or footnotes) and a "Bibliography" or bibliographic record of print and non-print (WickWacky world uses "External links" predominantly to identify electronic/Internet sources). To assuage your concerns about an interloper helping, I am a former reference librarian (33+ years) before I turned to the "dark side" and became an author, editor (yes, a real life editor in that other world) and a filmmaker (actor, screenwriter, consultant and even dabbled as a director). If you wish you could contact me for further information. FWIW Bzuk (talk) 13:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: Q: Was Gumby the second-earliest animated TV series ever, as implied by List_of_animated_television_series? -Silence (talk) 21:44, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More on history

message: I've heard that while George Herriman created the Krazy Kat comic strip, he did not animate or produce any animated shorts as far as I know. Please provide a citation proving this. 67.180.128.232 (talk) 18:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Herriman, producer of animated cartoons? 

message: Should there be a list of animated music videos? Gorillaz, Bjork's "I Miss You" (granted this was a mix of animated and live action, but it was mostly animated, so it should be mentioned), that one hard rock video with the animation detailing USSR germ warfare that involves a virus that reanimates the dead (what was the name of that, anyway?), etc. --98.232.176.109 (talk) 07:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Animated music videos and bands

message: Considering this article is so US-centric, I think it would be a good idea to move this article to that title to serve as a "index page" article for Animation in the United States during the silent era, Golden Age of American animation, Animation in the United States in the television era and Modern animation in the United States. It would be consistent with the other "History of (country name here) animation" articles and an improvement over the mess at History_of_animation#History_of_United_States_animation. Yonskii (talk) 19:53, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename "History of animation in the United States"?

message: I see no other way to interpret the words "featuring some kind of story or plot", but if you do, please, explain how it should be interpreted, instead. 
The other possibility is that the words do not apply to the phenomenon of "animated cartoon", at all. Therefore they should be removed from the lede. In other words, either the words apply and Animated cartoon is a narrative form of animation, or they do not apply and there is no rational basis for existence of the article and it should be redirected to some section in the article about animation. 
The third possibility, though, is that this article is kept without any rational basis. So which one is true? --DancingPhilosopher (talk) 07:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "featuring some kind of story or plot" = narrative