Talk:Free Territory of Trieste

message: Free Territory of Trieste was indeed dissolved in 1954, when zone A was annexed by Italy and zone B by Yugoslavia, but Treaty of Osimo, which settled the border between Italy and Yugoslavia was only signed on November 10, 1975. --Peterlin 11:43, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Treaty of Osimo

message: The numbers we are presenting don't add up: we say that there were about 30,000 Italians in zone B, 14.000 of whom remained there, so about 16.000 emigrated. We alos say that 40.000 people emigrated, mostly Italians. How is 16.000 out of 40.000 "mostly"? Zocky | picture popups 06:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be the largest single ethnic group -- though not a majority.  Chesspride216.144.161.51 (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers 

message: Any particular reason for including the German name in the opening of the article?  There wasn't a significant German population in the territory. --Jfruh (talk) 02:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Free Territory of Trieste was never in Austria-Hungary (that having stopped existing 27 years before FTT was formed). Not that Austria-Hungary itself existed for centuries... The only reason why we would need the German name is a source that says that German was an official language in FTT. In absence of that, I'll remove the German name for now. Zocky | picture popups 02:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Recent history does not wipe out 550 years of Austrian (German) ownership and occupation.  While the "Free Territory" of Trieste is a recent (artificial) post-war construction -- Trieste itself is a city with 550 years of Austrian rule.  Chesspride216.144.161.51 (talk) 20:11, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  German name? 

message: * OK Trieste was under Austrian rule since XIV century, but it is not the case of Western Istria (Zone B): Capodistria, Portorose, Buie, Cittanova d'Istria.--Deguef (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Istria was under Austria after the defeat of Napoleon 

message: I recall reading in a Rand McNally atlas from about 1958 a list of then recent international border changes, and one of those was the official incorporation of Trieste A into Italy and Triest B into Yugoslavia.  I recall specifically it was the same date as the Saarland was incorporated into West Germany.  Is there any historical significance to January 1, 1957 in Trieste?    Randall Bart    Talk   02:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If the article and comments are correct -- 1954 was an annexation, not necessarily a fully recognized one.  And the multi-level treaty that created the free state (1947) was not amended by the 1954 unofficial annexations or the 1975 bilateral treaties.  Nobody seems to care in 2022 -- but this is another example of a zombie territory that has not been officially reconciled by proper multi-level treaty action.  Chesspride216.144.161.51 (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 1, 1957 

message: There should be section about Movement for renewal of Free Territory of Trieste: www.triestfreeport.org and also there's Movement for Istria, which is related region: Republic of Istria on Facebook 91.226.242.156 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 13:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Porto Libero Trieste" Movement 

message: Can someone with expertise on this matter edit in a brief descriptions of what modern-day states the territory of Trieste overlapped with?  That's pretty important basic information for an article like this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asasa64 (talk • contribs) 01:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Geography Relative to Today

message: In the section "History", where it is written:
"Italian-speakers have been predominant in most urban settlements and in the coast with strong minorities of Slovenes and Croats, especially in Trieste/Trst district where Slovenes represented a third of the population by the end of World War I.[citation needed]"
I would like that the following sites (or at least the first one) would be added at the end as citation:
http://www.kozina.com/premik/1910-02.pdf
http://www.kozina.com/premik/1910.htm
The first site represents a scanned document of the 1910 census. 
Thanks and best regards.
151.51.234.105 (talk) 21:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Jguy TalkDone 00:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation about the 1910  census 

message: Substituted at 15:35, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I am no expert on this matter. However, it appears to me that the consensus position (both amongst this article's previous editors and the international community) is that the Treaty of Osimo formally dissolved the Free Territory. The assertion that the UNSC still has responsibility for Trieste under UNSCR 16, let alone that it still exists as a sovereign state, appears to be a fringe theory that should at most be confined to a few sentences. It seems to be reliant on a hatch-patch of documents mostly taken out of context. I find it extremely unlikely that any international actor regards the Free Territory to still exist. If Wikipedia is to assert that the Free Territory still exists as a sovereign state, much wider consensus would need to be established than a single editor asserting it. I've flagged this issue in several of WikiProjects. Portwalrus (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As an outsider simply reading the article and comments -- it seems that the world community ACTS as if the bilateral 1975 treaty ended the free state, but (per the way these things are supposed to be handled) it did not.  Thus a revision of the original 1947 international treaty would be needed.  It has not occurred. Thus the free state might be seen as a dead issue...but legally one can argue it has de jure existence (but not defacto existence).  Nobody in the international community seems to care -- rather like the current situation win Spanish Sahara under (permanent??) Morocco occupation. The Great Powers seem satisfied with the status quo.  Chesspride216.144.161.51 (talk) 20:19, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content dispute 

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message: Quite near the centre of Trieste there's a sign above a shop that says "FREE TERRITORY OF TRIESTE: USA & UK COME BACK!". Judging by Google Street View it seems to have come into being in prototype form somewhen between 2012 and 2014. Is it just the whim of a local eccentric, or is there an organisation behind it? It's quite nice that at least one person likes the USA and UK. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 17:48, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free Territory Sign