Talk:Economy of Pittsburgh

message: Founding History
*Mid 1700’s
*Trading outposts with Indians
*Agriculture/ Rivers
*Whiskey Rebellion
*American Civil War
*One of its earliest industries was building boats for settlers to enter the Ohio Country.
Raw Material Based
*Coal ( a lot) 1875 Andrew Carnegie
**Produced 1/3 of nations steel
**Pittsburgh produced 95 million tons of steel for our efforts in WWII
*Coke (not the drug)
*Glass
Present
*Pittsburgh Urban core, the Golden Triangle, is ranked 25th for jobs in metropolitan areas
*The growth of Pittsburgh began with steel and almost ended with steel
**Technology/robots
**Health care
**Nuclear engineering
**Biomedical technology
*Despite recent recession, Pittsburgh has maintained jobs, which is one of the reasons President Barack Obama chose the city for the G-20 summit
*Global Relations
:Good starting plan. What references are will you be using? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  16:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good start with first edits; but you should not add empty headings. All headings should be followed by referenced content. I also waiting to see your discussion(s) here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry Piotr I have not been looking at the talk page, but we are going to use resources from the library as well as two books we already have. Some internet sights will be used mostly for the statistics. Tuna12 (talk) 05:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Make sure that the sites (I presume you meant them) will fulfill Wikiedia's reliability policy. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Educational assignment plan

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You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early draft review 

message: Consider the following link for a source of information regarding the emergence of Pittsburgh's "Eds & Meds" economy: EdsMedsPittsburgh.org CrazyPaco (talk) 22:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: Hello all, impeccable work on the article so far, Kudos all round.
I would however give a few pointers on how to correctly CITE and how to use  and the use of citation templates.
The most common ref you are going to use for this article is  reading through the template pages should give you a very good idea of how to use them. You don't have to fill out all the information on every cite. however the more information the merrier. title= is the only field that is compulsory for .
So using Globalization in World History as an example you would fill it out like this:
<ref>
As you can see this has left rather a large amount of fields unfilled, that's okay, in fact we can get rid of them, leaving us with this:

Now, obviously, you are using the book multiple times through the article so rather than cutting an pasting each and every time I'm going to show you how to use  so what we are going to do is give the reference a name, we'll call it "hopkins", but you can all it anything "Globalization", "global" or even "asghd" or "iu43gh", ANYTHING, but to make it easy to remember we'll just stick with "hopkins" (it is cAsE SenSItiVE) so make sure you stick with either upper- or lower-case. So you simply put in <ref name= > the first time that you use the ref instead of <ref> and then every time you want to use that ref you simply put in  So now every time that you want to reference Globalization in World History all you need to do is put in .
Now you want to quote an individual page, but you don't want to have to cut and paste and modify the cite each time you ref a page, so (as odd as this may sound) ignore what I just told you. Well, not entirely. we'll still use <ref name= > so when we want to quote page three multiple times we'll call our new ref "hop3" and when we quote page 21 we'll call that "hop21", but again it can be anything so now we'll fill the article full of this; <ref name=hop3>Hopkins 2003, page 3Hopkins 2003, page 3 and this; Hopkins 2003, page 21Hopkins 2003, page 21, then whenever you want to ref page three you simply put in  and to ref page 21 use 
Then we need to split the references section at the bottom in two: ==Notes== and ==References== in ==Notes== we'll stick the  template, and since it is a particularly large amount of references will split it into 4 columns by writing it like this:  this will automatically list all the <ref>'s throughout the article and sort them into 4 even columns for us.
Under the ==References== We'll list each of the books like this: . That way when people see "Hopkins 2003, Page 3" listed under ==Notes== they'll know to look for it under ==References== for Hopkins name.
If you've done it all properly it should look like below.
====Notes====
====References====
You may also want to check out the various other citation templates and use those in the article.Sanguis Sanies (talk) 17:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you looked at Wikipedia:Wikimedia Commons, it provides some advice ? Pyrotec (talk) 08:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its fixed now. Pyrotec (talk) 08:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

text: This is fine to use per this. I see no chart here; only a table (if you are asking whether you can reproduce the table, ask Moonriddengirl, she'll love that question, trust me). Regarding images, see guides here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  06:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I got the image as a thumbnail on the side I looked in my preferences to make it bigger but I found nothing on images in my preferences. I also cited where I got the image, but I am not sure if it was done correctly.Tuna12 (talk) 06:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read through the WP:IMAGE guides for how to attribute the source and add licenses to an image, and how to make it bigger. The image doesn't have a source or a license, and as such may be deleted shortly by an admin. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: PS. I've increased the size of your picture; you can adjust it in the edit mode by changing the number of pixels. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using templates and <nowiki><ref name= ></nowiki> makes it much easier

message: You may also want to check out the various other citation templates and use those in the article.Sanguis Sanies (talk) 17:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I am also having difficulty getting images on the page. I am trying to get an image from wikipedia commons but I am not sure how to do that. I am also having difficulty on what images to put up. The one I found on wikicommons was of Pittsburgh's skyline. I have a few charts and graphs from government websites but I don't want to go outside of wiki guidelines. Any suggestions/instructions?Tuna12 (talk) 05:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you looked at Wikipedia:Wikimedia Commons, it provides some advice ? Pyrotec (talk) 08:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its fixed now. Pyrotec (talk) 08:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

text: This is fine to use per this. I see no chart here; only a table (if you are asking whether you can reproduce the table, ask Moonriddengirl, she'll love that question, trust me). Regarding images, see guides here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  06:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I got the image as a thumbnail on the side I looked in my preferences to make it bigger but I found nothing on images in my preferences. I also cited where I got the image, but I am not sure if it was done correctly.Tuna12 (talk) 06:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read through the WP:IMAGE guides for how to attribute the source and add licenses to an image, and how to make it bigger. The image doesn't have a source or a license, and as such may be deleted shortly by an admin. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: PS. I've increased the size of your picture; you can adjust it in the edit mode by changing the number of pixels. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I have found a good chart of the top private employers on http://www.alleghenyconference.org/PRA/RegionalData/CountyAllegheny.asp. I am not sure if I can use it in the article or if I have to create my own. Any instruction on how to incorporate this into the article would be great.
Tuna12 (talk) 00:50, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is fine to use per this. I see no chart here; only a table (if you are asking whether you can reproduce the table, ask Moonriddengirl, she'll love that question, trust me). Regarding images, see guides here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  06:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I got the image as a thumbnail on the side I looked in my preferences to make it bigger but I found nothing on images in my preferences. I also cited where I got the image, but I am not sure if it was done correctly.Tuna12 (talk) 06:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read through the WP:IMAGE guides for how to attribute the source and add licenses to an image, and how to make it bigger. The image doesn't have a source or a license, and as such may be deleted shortly by an admin. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: PS. I've increased the size of your picture; you can adjust it in the edit mode by changing the number of pixels. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chart

message: The major employers sections are almost entirely copied from external sites. I began trying to temporarily address this with quotation marks, but each section then becomes a separate violation of WP:NFC, which forbids extensive quotation. The "Transition into the Present Economy" section copies from . (See under "Which Parts of the Region Are Creating Jobs?" at that source.) Under "Twenty First Century Progression", there is duplication of : "Financial analysts are cautiously optimistic..." "Film making is another emerging industry...." The article has had to be blanked as other sections are evaluation for content issues. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the analysis. I expect that the problematic texts will be fixed in the next few days. Would you like the rewritten sections to be added to the main article or a temporary subpage so we can review them before they are added back to the main article? PS. Note to students: you are welcome to edit the main article, improving existing content in the unaffected sections and adding new sections in the meantime, but I'd strongly advise you to focus on fixing the copyvio issues first, so we can remove the ugly copyvio templates. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  22:35, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is best to replace the copyright problem sections in the temporary page for administrative review. I have restored the sections in which I find no infringement. The last section is a problem under non-free content policy and guideline, as it quotes extensively from other sources without citing them. Sources seem to include , , and . Ideally, the authors of this article should incorporate the information from those sources in their own words, with only limited quotations in accordance with WP:NFC. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Hi. You are very welcome to use public domain material as long as it is properly attributed. Information from Occupational Employment and Wages in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, May 2007 (PDF) is properly attributed and can be used. The reason it is public domain is because it was produced by the United States federal government, and the US government does not claim copyright projection on its official works. Most websites, though, are copyrighted, including those of state and city governments. I'll leave the question of what constitutes a "good" source to somebody else. :) I'm evaluating to see the degree to which copyright concerns have been addressed here. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've incorporated the cleanups that I could, but unfortunately some of the text proposed was not completely rewritten. We can't use material that is closely paraphrased from copyrighted sources, as this constitutes a derivative work. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright problems

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