Talk:Assyrian people/Archive 4

message: Hi guys. It's a pity to have this page locked again. At least, i hope that it would serve to build a concensus between yourselves for once. Please be positive. -- Szvest 13:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected

message: Assyria was a territory enncompassing the lands of the former empire now only a historical region. That historical region holds many ethnic groups. Anyone descending from those indegenous groups are considered Assyrian. It's more of a "nationality" than simply an ethnic group. It is a national/ethno-religious group. Think of Assyria as modern day USA. Many people from all over the world come to the center of Western/Contemporary civilization and a lot are assimilated into the dominant culture. The ancient world not much different. Babylon was the center of Ancient Civilization in the "Known World." Yes there were Arameans (Chaldeans included), Akkadians, Sumerians, Kassites, Amorites, etc. The genetic make of most of the middle east is composed of some sort of combination including any of the afformentioned peoples. This is explained in the article. What can't you see? The Prophet
:I see, just like Kurds from Turkey are considered Turks? And Tibetans are considered Chinese? In that case, Syriacs from Turkey should also be called Turks, and those from Iraq, Iraqis. Right?
:You can't dictate history, you said previously. I'm afraid you're doing exactly that, by assuming that the Aramaeans had assimilated into Assyrian culture. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 09:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an Assumption, the mother of Esharhadon was Aramean. I didn't just mention that Assyrian kings took Aramean wives as a factoid as Dab would claim. Royalty marying a different "race" was a symbolic merger of cultures on the macro level. If it occured on the macro level which it did it definately occured on the micro level. Perhaps you can't grasp that concept...סרגון יוחנא 19:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  the so-called Assyrians - THEIR YOU HAVE IT FOKES. Evidence that this aramean extremist Benne has no credability to edit anything Assyrian related since he things we as a people are a joke. Heck, he doesn't even believe the US Congress is credable enough! [].  Its not a coincidence that all these aramean extremist are coming from Germany. Heck, I'm sure User:Benne and User:Dab were part of the rally in Germany burning Assyrian symbols. []. You cry and cry   It's not based on scientific, but rather on nationalist sources - I ask WHAT SCIENTIFIC STUDY HAVE EVER BEEN DONE ON OUR PEOPLE? Look at all the books that have been written on Assyrians, nothing has been said except being called either Christian or Nestorian (even thou not all of us belonged to the nestorian church, an example is with Agha Petros being called a nestorian by British entillegence during WWI even thou he was a Chaldean Catholic.) What scientific evidence is their to connect the Kurds with the Hurrian and Medes?! Please show me! How come your not attacking that page either? And the Kurds is not the only page, all ethnic pages are like that. I am going to say this for the last time; this is page is a representation of the Assyrian community around the world; their culture, their views, and most importantly their beliefs. I will not stand here and watch European missionaries and Aramean extremist terrorize this page. Chaldean 18:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maybe you people just don't get it. 

message: First of all I am Chaldean Catholic. Most Chaldeans in the diaspora understand what Chaldean and Assyrian are yet have a heavily distored vision thanks to Sarhad Jammo, A Bishop from Troy, MI now in CA. I am in no way biased or an Assyrianist. I was raised into this Chaldean propoganda and only later in life did I understand the differences between different "Chaldean groups" or "Aramaean groups" and that we are all actually Assyrian because that was our nation not Chaldea nor Aramea. Those became domains of the Assyrian nation and the nation stuck with the name even in the times of the Roman Empire and beyond. And for our language we say Sureth not Arameth not Kasdu (Kasdim) or Kaldu and our people are named after Assyrian Emperors not Chaldean nor Babylonian hence Sargon, Shamiram, Nineveh, Nahrain, (na)Ramsin, Ashur, Sinkho(arib), (A)Sarhad(on) etc. and not Hamurabi, Nebuchadnasir, Lugal Zagi Zi, etc.סרגון יוחנא 19:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chaldeans 

message: This sentence isn't clear to me: 
:Some believe that the term "Syria(n)" was derived from "Assyria(n)" and others believe that it is synonymous with Aram(aean). 
Reading literally, it sounds like "Syria(n)"...is synonymous with Aram(aean) but considering the article's subject, I suspect it's supposed to say that "Assyria(n)"... is synonymous with Aram(aean). --Singkong2005 · talk 14:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Syrian is believed by some to be synonymous with Aramaean though other sources point to Syrian being synonymous with Assyrian. סרגון יוחנא 20:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's synonymous with Aram(aean)? 

message: I think shes right to sat that the assyrian history has been very distorted by historical scholars. We are assyrians because we are born into and that people who distort our history our not, Armeanen supermacists, but are white people who our mad at us for not being absorbed in their westernization process and muslims because we have not become absorbed in their arabization process. There is no evidence that we are not assyrians but people still act like our langauge, our culture, theese things that people want us to give up our what we have that trace us back to our ancestors who lived between the rivers. Coolio903 01:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dab 

message: There was a referrence to what you removed claiming it as unsourced and none of your edits were discussed on the talk page.
:I found your replacement a load of nonsense. It may have been sourced, but the use of those sources made a nonsense of them. — Gareth Hughes 18:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khoikhoi's unwarranted edits 

message: Come on now. That is highly disputable. It needs to be reworded to say the located in the midst of the Assyrian Heartland. That sounds more neutral. What about Araden or Tel Keppe?
:Maybe I worded wrong, but what I meant is that it is the largest Assyrian town today, in terms of population. Its like a self-proclaimed capital of Atoor. And you can see that if you ever visit these Iraqi villages. Chaldean 05:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alqosh, the center of Assyrian Culture? 

message: Chaldeans are not assyrians because they do not speak assyrian they speak chaldean.  They should be called chaldeans and not assyrians. 
::Chaldeans don't speak Assyrian, they speak Aramaic. Assyrians also speak Aramaic. Chaldean and Assyrian are dialects of Neo-Aramaic. Chaldeans are Assyrians that belong to the Chaldean Catholic Church. You people amongst me in the diaspora are oblivious to your history.סרגון יוחנא 22:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you guys should check out this website, because so many of our people, as Sargonious stated, are oblivious to our history. http://www.assyriandoc.com/ --Šarukinu 23:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chaldeans are not assyrians 

message: This may be covered somewhere in the six archives that I don't have time to read, but this is the only page that relates Assyrians to Lebanon. I don't know anything about this subject and came here trying to look it up -- all of the other pages related to Assyria talk about Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey. If Lebanon is in there too should it be explained here or fixed elsewhere? 75.56.54.56 17:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you asking? Lebanese people possibly being some descent of Assyrians? Chaldean 19:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  What I know of the Lebanese and Syrian communities around the world has a small Assyrian minority represented among them. I figure there are Assyrians, but in small numbers found in Australia, South America, East Asia and in parts of Sub-saharan Africa. Assyrians live wherever global Arab communities existed for over a century, so let's check out any more Assyrians in this wide world gets smaller and more connected. + 63.3.14.2 03:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: well their are about 5,000 - 10,000 Assyrians in Lebanon today, split with ACOE, Chaldean, and Jacobite. The make up of Lebanese Christian people is not clear, but recent DNA studies does show phoenican connection. [] Chaldean 17:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lebanon?

message: Despite Garzo's opinion, this is further clarification of the Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac naming crisis. I also have this under that Chaldean disambig page as well for it is relevant to that as well for not all may venture to this article.The Tsar is Gone but I am King 17:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  High Relevant to this Article 

message: First and formost none of the "Assyrian" or "Chaldean" Emperors referred to themselves as such. They all referred to themselves as Kings of "Sumer and Akkad." Assyrian (Babylonian as well) was coined by the Greeks centuries after (in a historical context) to refer to those whom held Ashur as the supreme diety in the land of Sumer and Akkad for example as the Jews referred to southern Mesopotamia as "Shinar" which meant "land of the moon [god]." "Babylonia" was also coined by the Greeks to refer to southern Mesopotamia which had its "capital" in Bab-ilu aka Kadingirra aka "Babylon." Just as people in ancient Sumer and Akkad referred to themselves by the city-state they inhabbited and religion they followed so do the modern people, they refer to their ethno-religious group by village and/or "national" origin. "Chaldean" was also coined by the Greeks to refer to the last indegenous conquerors of "Babylonia." In reality in the Syriac language we ALL refer to ourselves as Sourayeh or Souryoyeh which is simply translated as Syrian in English which itself is Greek-derived from the designation of the former colonial territories of Assyria for they referred to Sumer and Akkad as Assyria and its colonies (Aram and Canaan) as Syria. That is it in a nutshell. We are Sourayeh/Souryoyeh and ultimately we are Assyrian, Babylonian, and the "Sons and Daughters of the Fusion of Sumer and Akkad." We are Chaldean as well and we are Aramaean as well. However if you want to get into semantics, some hold the God Ashur as one with the Christian God Yah(weh) aka "God the Father" which himself started out as the Canaanite storm god which was roughly equivelent to Ashur and interpreted by the "Hebrews" as the one God; the so-called "sky axle" or "Holder of Heaven" therefore we are THE true "Assyrians" in an ethno-religious sense. Also compare Yah to Ea and you will see the origins of the Abrahamic religions lie in the land that is now called Iraq.
Chaldean is Greek-derived from the Akkadian_language form of "Kaldu" which in Hebrew is "Kasdu" which may actually be in refference to the Kassites whom once ruled Babylon well before the "Chaldean Dynasty." It was also used interchangebly with "Astrologer" in which Astrology was key in the Mesopotamian religion so even in that sense we are true "Chaldeans" as well for Judaism is a monotheistic religion that evoloved from it and gradually evolved into Christianity and even Islam.
: You cannot simply say that Chaldean and Assyrian are names derived from Greeks, or Islam or what have you. Unless you have strong concrete evidence, you cannot prove that the Assyrian is a derived name any more than it is a true one. Tourskin 19:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You cannot simply make an argument so weak and expect someone to simply doubt my statement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.60.34.207 (talk) 05:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac name crisis 

message: Assyrian Americans love Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles and their favorite desert to chase it after chowing down on some Fried Chicken and Waffles is Watermellon. And if ya don't know now ya know sand ni... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.15.7.70 (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assyrian Americans' favorite meal... 

message: I have come across a building connected to the "Assyrian Society United Kingdom" - but there are no references on the internet. Anyone care to develop? Jackiespeel 19:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assyrians in UK

message: When the hell will we be armed and allowed to do to the entire Arab League what Israel has done to Palestine only tenfold?The Tsar is Gone but I am King 14:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assyrian Republican Army 

message: you are listing Assyrian political organizations which make their own claims, Chaldeans are not Assyrians and I dont have two use names, I am one of two people, and we are both laughing at the Assyrian inferiority complex since such a semitic group is extinct, and as modern day Jews claim being 'Jewish' as a nationality whilst the name of the ethnic semitic group is 'Hebrew's', the Chaldeo-Assyrian groups use the name based on a relationship with a christian Church and geographic location and there is no scientific proof of the connection with the once semitic people who settled on Mesopotamia,and you cant make claims such as 'their adopted countries' because the semites who once lived there have been arabized and the only existing ancient people of Iraq are Sabeans and Jews, because many of them have not converted and remained within their communities.
If Chaldeans and Assyrians adopted the language of their new homelands as you say like Syria, Iraq etc then this means they are immigrants who have settled a region migrating from another like Armenian's,Turkomans who have come from the former Soviet States etc.
Nimrod1976 10:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those numbers are way baised. These numbers listed above are the most accurate since most of them come from offical census. Chaldean 04:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assyrian Population 

message: The sources are all reliable. Instead of labeling the article as a whole Benne, list one by one which source you consider to be not reliable. The sources are from census, NY times article, books by neutral authors such as Reeva Spector Simon , Richard N. Frye , Rudolf Macuch, and enclypedic websites. Chaldean 15:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Nimrod1976" why did you create a second username? Chaldean 17:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: According to the US Census Bureau website, there are 82,355 people listed as "Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac". I believe this should be reflected in the article, now people might think that all of them consider themselves Assyrians, which is apparently not true. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 09:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look talk page after talk page your rant on and on with your anti-Assyrianess. Please give it a rest.The Tsar is Gone but I am King 20:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Census data 

message: In the Religion section, I changed "Most (although not all) the members" to "Many members". There are no statistics available on this matter, and I sincerely doubt whether a majority of the Syriac Orthodox consider themselves Assyrians. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 18:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good edit, but and I sincerely doubt whether a majority of the Syriac Orthodox consider themselves Assyrians that is your opinion. Chaldean 03:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's my impression, actually, based on my own experiences, and on surveys conducted among Syriacs in Turkey, which show that a vast majority of them consider themselves Süryani, while a minority appears to call themselves Asuri or Arami. One of these surveys has been published in Turkish, but was based on a relatively small group of people, most of them living in Istanbul (if I remember correctly), the other is not yet published, but held among more than 200 Syriacs in the Southeast of Turkey, both in cities and towns like Diyarbakır, Mardin, and Midyat, and in a variety of villages in Tur Abdin. As soon as the latter is published (in the form of a Ph.D. thesis), I will include this information in the article. For now, I'll content myself with "many", because it is true that many Syriacs, especially in the diaspora, consider themselves Assyrians (and many other Aramaeans, for that matter). --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 06:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, this talk page is the appropriate place to share opinions ... ;-) --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 09:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: and on surveys conducted among Syriacs in Turkey - Benne, I dont know if you are aware of this or not but the Syriac Orthodox in Turkey make only a fraction of the total Syriac Orthodox population in the middle east. Honestly, I wouldn't be suprised if a slight majority of Syriacs Ortho/Cath did consider themselves Assyrian as I wouldn't be suprised of the majority did not. Nobody knowns the answer as it is impossible to find out. I will however leave you with Syriac Catholics] celebrating Akitu last week in Baghdida. Chaldean 16:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't it ever occur to anybody that all these terms we have ("Ashuraya", "Ashuri", "Assuraya", "Assuri", "Atouraya", "Atouri", "Othuroyo", "Suraya", "Suryoyo", "Suryaya") are all synonymous?? Has anybody even checked out the link I posted above? Šarukinu 17:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most of the members? 

message: I have been very persistently sought out to address concerns on a page that is far afield from anything I consider to be an area of expertise.  In fact, although this is an interesting article that I personally would nominate as a WP:GAC without much thought it is an area that is not an interest of mine in the sense that I could adequately assess what direction to push the article for improvement.  I have received numerous emails and talk page messages from two users who are troubled by the state of the article.  I personally would like to see the article get the attention of an ethnic group expert who is neither pro-Assyrian nor anti-Assyrian to ensure the page as a WP:NPOV.  I do not want to impair the research that has been assembled at this page by tagging it with  or  tags although I see a few places where it might be appropriate.  I would just request that someone more qualified than myself address concerns such as those found at my talk page.
Personally, I believe that the concerns two users who have been blocked for procedural improprieties merit attention.  Despite the fact that they pursue deletions and blankings, they present valid arguments for their points of contestation with respect to those I am qualified to investigate.  As an admirer of beautiful women, I am qualified to assess arguments about beauty pageants and have helped to move pages in proper direction with respect to their wishes and the betterment of the encyclopedia.  However, despite what one might infer from looking at my user page and drawing inferences on the types of articles I have presented for featured and good status , I am just a pseudo intellectual.  I am not qualified to address serious concerns about contentious sociopolitical, socioeconomic, and ethnic issues such as these. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The person, "Nimrod1976" that is bringing you "concerns" is the same person as the one that is being out of control named "MrIraq" on the Cladia Hanna page. I stop reading after the second sentence when stated "Chaldeans and Assyrians being one is false". Chaldean 03:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|expert-subject|Ethnic groups}} 

message: "Babylonia (formerly Sumer and Akkad) was a colony of Assyria."
This sentence doesn't make any sense, nor is it factual, and so I think we should remove it. Any objections? --Šarukinu 02:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agro, Babylonia was never colonized by Assyrians. Several Assyrian kings were able to ascend the throne of Babylonia, but their kingship was always deposed by a native Babylonian within a relatively short period of time. Furthermore, Babylonian culture was maintained throughout Assyrian hegemony, and even heavily influenced Assyrian culture (for instance, scribal culture, mythology, literature, etc).Šarukinu 22:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Babylonia in the opening paragraph. 

message: Hey everyone. Check out the Identity section - I added a new bit of information about a bilingual inscription attesting to the synonymy between the terms "Syria" and "Assyria".. don't worry, it's well sourced and legitimate, from the Journal of Near Eastern Studies. Let me know what you think! --Šarukinu 04:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Çineköy Inscription - the terms "Syria" and "Assyria" 

message: In order to assimilate them, the ancient Assyrian empire relocated conquered populations to urban areas all over the empire. Today, Assyrians and other ethnic groups feel pressure to identify as "Arabs".
I also came across these 2 lines at the end of the Identity section. It seems like they were just stuck i there at the end, and didn't relate to the previous paragraphs, nor do they relate to each other. How can we clean this up?--Šarukinu 01:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identity section 

message: Some Wiki editors have suggested that we move the history section from this article to the newly created History of the Assyrians article, and leave just a stub on this page. This will help keep this page concise, and allow us to make edits more efficiently. Any objections? --Šarukinu 20:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes this would be smart so that we will have more room to write in other sections of this article such as religion and culture. Chaldean 13:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Check it out, and let me know what we can do from there. --Šarukinu 22:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: You aren't Assryian. You guys are Syrian Christians. You are called Suryanistanis.
::Good job, buddy. Go read a few books, then come back :) --Šarukinu 05:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  La-why not Iraqistani? Era p-deenukh. lolSharru Kinnu III 05:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suryanistani 

message: This article seems to group Assyrians with Chaldeans. Being Half Chaldean and Half Assyrian myself, I couldn't care less but some Chaldeansmight take offense. Anyways My point here is that the number of Chaldeans alone in the US is way more than 85,000, that doesn't count the "Assyrian" Assyrians (also known as Ah-too-ra-yeah). Heres my proof:
Today there are close to 150,000 Chaldeans in the United States, 100,000 in the Detroit area, 20 to 30 thousand in California, and others scattered throughout the United States.
from this website:http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030417-39192c0f.htm
So someone please include this, I don't know how. Tourskin 22:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing that to our attention, khoun. The population figures used in this article are based on a national census, whereas the figures from the website you offered are based on one person's quote - they're less reliable, therefore. We'll have to wait for the results from the upcoming national census. I've also heard of estimates of up to 400,000 Assyrians in the United States (including members of the Chaldean Catholic Church and Syriac Orthodox Church), but again, they are unsourced and unreliable.But with all due respect, whether or not some Chaldean Catholics get offended is irrelevant - one main purpose of this article is to outline the shared heritage between all Assyrian religious denominations, whether Chaldean Catholic or Syriac Orthodox. If people get offended, that's not our problem as editors - we are offering sourced information, with which people can choose to agree or disagree. --Šarukinu 00:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I totally agree with you. I'm just saying that in case someone does get offended. Well, keep up the good work. By the way, does Khoun mean brother, coz I say "khouny" for brother I think and "bruny" for son, right? Tourskin 23:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yea, "khouny" and "khoun" are the same :) and yes, bruny means son. I understand that people may get offended, but if that's the case, they can consult anyone of us here on this page. But the issue here isn't being politically correct, or trying to appeal to a few individuals. Anyhow, thanks for your support, khouny! :) --Šarukinu 20:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very small numbers 

message: The following sentence needs to be worked into the article a little bit better (or otherwise removed):The title of "King of Babylon" was "King of Sumer and Akkad" as translated from the Akkadian Šār Mat Šūmerī ū Akkadī.[14]Right now, this line is just tossed in at the end of a paragraph which isn't really related. --Šarukinu 23:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This line has been removed. See the history page. --Šarukinu 01:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "King of Sumer and Akkad" 

message: Cuisine is a very important part of culture. I'm ashamed that so much effort goes into arguing over trivial details about our identity yet no one likes to actually write about our culture such as our music, food, customs, etc. Help with some of the other articles. There are too many people waring over this article. Concentrate on all the finer details and let us improve all the articles relating to Assyrians and Assyria. With that said: I would like you all to take a look at the updated cuisine page. I have been working on that all day. I could use a little help. Sharru Kinnu III 18:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input and contributions, Sharru Kinnu. But the issues we're debating with respects to our identity are in no way trivial. It's a matter of people (including the Assyrians themselves) being properly educated about the origins of Assyrians - that's arguably more important than cuisine. Still, you're right, the other pages need to be improved. I'll continue to work on information related to identity, that's more important to me at this point. It's crucial that people know who we are and where we came from. When I'm finished correcting all the misconceptions, I'll focus on the smaller articles. Posh bshena. --Šarukinu 01:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think its important for all of us to contribute anyway we can, be it if our expertise is cuisine or identity, etc. That is why I created the Assyrian WikiProject. We Assyrians have an obligation to do so since our people are one of the least educated people in terms of their own history/culture. Chaldean 01:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I spent all day yesterday on the article. Let me know what you guys think.Sharru Kinnu III 12:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no question as to our identity. We are Sourayeh and have been for more than 6000 years. There is no disputing that. Before that I could care less if the Akkadians merged with the Sumerians (or anyone else Sargon's empire conquered forming the basis for Babylonian society). There are people who don't know where they come from after a few generations especially here in America. Souraya is synonymous with Aturaya/Ashuraya as far as I'm concerned being that it was derived from it (the Greek title simply referred to anyone inhabiting Syria at least while they were governing it [including the Greek-speaking citizens]). My name isn't Sargon for nothing and half my relatives aren't named Ashur, Shamiram, Nineveh, Nahrain, or Ninos for nothing. Souraya became synonymous with Aramaya many generations ago and Kaldaya implies someone who is a cleric (magician as the Romans and Greeks misconcieved it) of the ancient astrological "religion" (belief system) or in modern days an adherant of the church of the same name. Why can't we all agree that all these names lead to the same people. Ethnicity is as superficial as religion. It can evolve into something completely different over time. I would like someone to claim that modern Judaism is exactly the same as the religion of Abraham or that the Noah story of the ark isn't derived from Mesopotamian mythology as was the story of Moses being very similar to that of Sargon of Akkad. I mean just remember the listening game. Tell someone something and tell him to pass it on to the next guy then to the next and so on and after twenty people have the last recipient of the message document it and poof there is your bible or history book.Sharru Kinnu III 17:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Syria in another context referred to the territory of Assyria outside of Assyria propper meaning Canaan and Aram aka the Highlands and Lowlands off the coast of the East Mediteranean. In any case Aramaic had become lingua franca througout the Fertile crescent forming a somewhat homogenous society. Even before Christianity there were similarties in mythological beliefs similar to those of ancient Rome and Greece where they shared much in common in belief but weren't exactly identical in every aspect. In our case- The Assyrian Case, where do we inhabit? Tell me not Assyria propper and I'll tell you you're wrong. Where exactly are the mountains of Iraq, Turkey, and Iran and even in the case of Syria between the two rivers. Sharru Kinnu III 17:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Assyrian cuisine]]