Talk:Disembowelment

message: Which are the organs removed during disembowelment ? Only the intestines ? Jay 13:52, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Which?

message: I think the comments about Japanese disembowelment are inaccurate. (I'm fluent in Japanese and have lived in the country for 8 years, but don't consider myself a samurai expert:)) At any rate, discussion with other Japanophiles on another board has resulted in the following conclusions:
1. No evidence that "harakiri" is considered an insulting term. With reference to Japanese dictionaries.
2. Questionable whether the person committing seppuku was beheaded, or whether the kaishaku just cut the base of the neck.
I would also add that seppuku isn't really disembowelment per se: the innards are cut but not drawn out.
I suggest that the matter be further researched.
*In reply to the unsigned comment above: 
**Innards do not have to be "drawn out". Once the abdominal wall is cut, intestines fall out of a body by themselves. Intestines are attached to the stomach at one end, and the rectum and anus at the other. The only thing keeping the long, slippery middle part in place is the musculature of the abdomen. Think of an abdominal hernia; it's a rip in the abdominal wall, and it doesn't take much strain before a portion of the intestine extrudes through that rupture. In the case of seppuku, you're looking at major trauma, slicing the abdomen from one side to the other (and sometimes multiple cuts!). Once the belly is open, the intestines will spill out on their own. This part of seppuku is not depicted in artwork, because it's a rather gruesome bloody mess. 
**Decapitation: There are numerous records of samurai who had their heads cut off. There are records of their last words. I refer you to Stephen Turnbull's The Samurai, in which he describes the first recorded case of seppuku. Also, the author of the book Hagakure discusses what it means to be asked to act as the second. By late in the Edo Period, the stomach-cutting became a token gesture, the decapitation was the coupe-de-grace. Boneyard90 (talk) 14:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: About Japan

message: I place some doubt on the accuracy of the reference to the Spanish Inquisition. Was this procedure used in torture or in execution. In the former case it doesn't seem credible as immense permanent harm (I mean irreversible and not just limbing) was done to the accused, which is not in line with "torture principles" (No doubt such things were done, but we are talking about general occurence.) As for the latter case, the usual method of execution was burning at the stake. How many have been executed that way? 
I will wait a couple of days and otherwise will delete the reference. Str1977 21:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: On Spanish Inquisition

message: All cruel and bloody punishments in The Netherlands were abolished in 1795 . The notion that disembowelment was in our statute-book until 1936 must be untrue!
Robert Prummel  The Netherlands
---- Moreover, the civil death penalty was abolished in 1870 and the military death penalty performed by firing squad. I removed the statement. --Jochietoch 11:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This can't be true...

message: I added the  tag to this article, since it's lacking sources.  In particular, this claim needs sourcing:
While in most documented procedures the animal being eviscerated is already dead, there are also many cases that the animal is still alive when the evisceration is carried out.
I have therefore tagged that passage appropriately. --Hiddekel 19:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced 

message: Without treatment, obviously, but even that depends on how "disembowled" (for lack of a better word) the person is. While there have been several cases of children being disembowled through their rectum by pool drains, at least one is surviving with medical assistance pending a small intestine transplant.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071116/ap_on_re_us/girl_injured_lawsuit;_ylt=AkypLqGwjUQeaBqTFKDNZ9is0NUE
-- Davidl9999 (talk) 21:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Always Fatal? 

message: 82.25.9.120 added a nonsensical sentence at the end of section on Transanal evisceration: "And this proves that russell oakley winters is gutted gutted". I deleted it. Ixat (talk) 04:41, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Case of Vandalism

message: Back in high school in Denmark, in religion class in 1997 or 1998, we discussed Inuit beliefs, as they pertained to native Greenlanders, and I seem to remember a story of a transgressor that was forced to to draw out his own intestines through his rectum as (fatal) punishment. I have no notes, and don't know where to look, but if it rings a bell in others, perhaps it could be added to transanal disembowelment...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.56.248.146 (talk) 16:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: sounds like urban legend (for want of a better term) to me. think about it. exactly how would you go about extracting your intestines through your anus? in the abscence of pool drains, of course. the inuit were a neolithic culture.Toyokuni3 (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inuit mythology? 

message: The link to the German language article on the left leads to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exenteration which is the general medical term. The excact article, which is also a stub, is: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausd%C3%A4rmen explaining the method of execution. I don't know what to do about this, so maybe someone could change it. 89.186.128.39 (talk) 11:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to German language article

message: text: >> In the Netherlands and Belgium, vierendelen (literally "to divide in four") was the practice where the arms and legs were tied to horses and the abdomen was sliced open. This punishment was exclusively for regicide. <<
The kingdom of Belgium exists since 1830. None of its kings has been killed, nobody tried, so there never was any regicide. The first king of the Netherlands was appointed in 1806. Same remark. 
May I qualify this chapter as nonsense ?Riyadi (talk) 21:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if I'd call it nonsense; as it may be one of those cases of laws on the books versus actual implementation of the law. It may also refer to the region of the Netherlands and Belgium, rather than the modern countries. However, if you wish to remove the section, I don't think anyone would contest it, as it has been lacking a citation since 2009. Boneyard90 (talk) 15:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: See here. A source from Brielle, c. 1400, says that those who betrayed their town or their lord were to be dismembered (quartieren), but only after being beheaded (halsen), and subsequently the four parts of the body were to be displayed at the town's entrances ("Die haren heer of steden verraden salmen halsen ende na quarti(e)ren … ende die quartiren heften anden poirten dair meest uutganck(t)s ende inganck(t)s is, anderen tot enen exempel"). In 1584 Balthasar Gérard, the murderer of William the Silent, was disemboweled and apparently also quartered alive by his executioners (without the use of horses). Iblardi (talk) 22:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that bit of info. I've added text about Gerard, with references from the article. I've also removed the un-referenced paragraph.Boneyard90 (talk) 12:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgium and The Netherlands 

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