Talk:Academic freedom

message: I have added the  template to the article as it appears to me to concentrate excessively on the USA, at the expense of coverage of the rest of the world. DuncanHill 13:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This might help. --Kenneth M Burke 02:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldview 

message: The information in this subheading seem like an attempt to argue against a certain point of view rather than describing the controversy John196920022001 18:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Academic Bill of Rights

message: I made a few minor corrctions to the 'Academic Bill of Rights' section that will, I hope, resolve the NPOV issues. The section has been rewritten to try to advance Horowitz's position by trivializing and misstating the views of his opponents. I've left the section describing Horowitz's position alone. The minor changes I've made are intended to restore his opponents' views, without dismissing them, as the previous text did.Bryan 23:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV corrections in 'Academic Bill of Rights Section' 

message: The UNESCO has a wonderful definition of Academic Freedom in a  Recommendation that has more than 70 arts. with details on all issues regarding Academic Freedom. I think that a reference  to this Recommendation should included and detailed, since it has the consensus of all nations that constitute the UNESCO (at present 182 nations; see Official UNESCO Portal) and therefore, a world vision on the subject (a lack that the label  "worldwide view" already indicates).  
Also, John Paul II wrote Ex Corde Ecclesiae, a Constitution for the Catholic Universities. In this Constitution, the Academic Freedom is strongly sustained.
In the Spanish version of Academic Freedom, additional issues are detailed, including where the idea of AF was originated. Perhaps it could be a good idea to translate the ES version to English (I could do this with some help in style and grammar) and then to join both articles (with consensus of course).  
Regarding controversies and other issues, perhaps a link towards the  AAUP issues page should be added, among other sites.
Art 27 of the mentioned Recommendation:
"The maintaining of the above international standards should be upheld in the interest of higher education internationally and within the country. To do so, the principle of academic freedom should be scrupulously observed. Higher-education teaching personnel are entitled to the maintaining of academic freedom, that is to say, the right, without constriction by prescribed doctrine, to freedom of teaching and discussion, freedom in carrying out research and disseminating and publishing the results thereof, freedom to express freely their opinion about the institution or system in which they work, freedom from institutional censorship and freedom to participate in professional or representative academic bodies. All higher-education teaching personnel should have the right to fulfil their functions without discrimination of any kind and without fear of repression by the state or any other source. Higher-education teaching personnel can effectively do justice to this principle if the environment in which they operate is conducive. This environment can only be conducive in a democratic atmosphere; hence the challenge for all of developing a democratic society."
--Mazorquero (talk) 18:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  UNESCO and Ex Corde Ecclesiae 

message: I added analysis - the holding and reasoning - of this case, as well as a short discussion of its significance.  Feel free to edit and update. Bearian (talk) 19:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stronach v. Virginia State University 

message: I have removed a link to the personal blog of Peter N. Kirstein that was added twice today by 67.167.249.238. I believe that addition of this link to this article is inappropriate. This is a private blog with a fairly tangential relation to the subject of this article, academic freedom. Most of the views expressed there are fairly radical and, more importantly, unrelated to what this article is about. Rather they are expressions of the views of Peter Kirsten on various other political issues and current events. Please do not add this link again unless there is a consensus to do so established at this talk page. Nsk92 (talk) 22:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Third opinion: Agreed. Per WP:LINKSTOAVOID #11, "Links to blogs and personal web pages" are to be avoided, with exceptions only for people who are absolutely critical to the topic. Furthermore, the blog mentions the author's addition of Wikipedia, which is a type of conflict of interest. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 16:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ELs to most (but not all) blogs aren't allowed on Wikipedia owing to their lack of editorial oversight. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to a blog of Peter N. Kirstein  

message: Although faculty members are protected at most major universities in North America, students with unpopular speech are not protected in any way. Orenthal Jus ad Vincula (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lack of Student Rights

message: The lead is, word for word, exactly the same as the first pragraph of the rationale section. Someone might want to either re-right the lead or reright the section intro, because that is not how a lead is supposed to work. The lead should summarize the entire article, not just be copied and pasted from a section of the article. Tad Lincoln (talk) 23:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:14, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: Consider the following possibility. At a symposium the lecturer presented a new cosmology which is simple, logical and easy to understand. But the new cosmology contradicts the recognised cosmology which allowed many cosmologists to achieve fame and recognition. Does the lecturer have the right to rob them of their life long achievements? I think censorship is justified. KK (213.158.199.138 (talk) 12:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibility 

message: Under the "Specific Cases section I plan on citing the Canadian academic atmosphere of the 1930's where several university professors faced repercussions and expulsion from their academic positions for for actively taking part in socialist politics. Any suggestions? I plan on adding it soon. There are a few cases but they connect. The era led to a relaxation of the rules as to allow Canadian academics to be able to participate in contemporary politics without fear of losing their jobs. Jkerr208 (talk) 00:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
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thread_title: Addition

message: This section doesn't seem to mention the fact that critics of the bills (Eugenie Scott, NCSE) have concerns about the bills applying academic freedom to faculty of secondary education (K12) institutions. The real problem with these bills, as appears to be universally accepted, is that they don't apply particularly to third-level institutions. 182.249.240.24 (talk) 07:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly non-neutral wording of "academic freedom" bills section? 

message: http://time.com/4530197/college-free-speech-zone/
Free speech on university campuses. 
Benjamin (talk) 09:02, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free speech on university campuses.  

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message: I changed the initial sentence on the William Shockley case from:
::In 1978, 'Nobel prize-winner William Shockley ...believed that genetics doomed black people to be intellectually inferior...
to:
::In 1978, a Nobel prize-winning physicist, electronics inventor, and electrical engineering professor, William Shockley, ...believed that genetics doomed black people to be intellectually inferior...
...because his credentials give context to the issue of whether his expressions were protected in the academic freedom arena.  His field of academic expertise, as I identified (from his Wikipedia biography), was in physics & electronics -- fields very far-removed from his controversial statements on genetics issues (which were the subject of his 
"academic freedom" controversy).  
This is an important distinction, because it obviously raises legitimate questions about whether his commentary -- outside and far-removed from his field of academic expertise -- would logically be justified as protected under the academic freedom doctrine.
To simply identify him as an academic, or -- as often too-casually done in his case -- simply as a "Nobel Prize winner" creates the illusion that he is automatically entitled to comment on genetics from the legally-defended academic pulpit, protected by the "academic freedom" doctrine.  
Identifying his actual fields of expertise, however, brings the issue into much clearer focus, and much more fully and clearly illustrates the complex scope of controversial questions at issue in this case.
~ Penlite (talk) 10:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Shockley credentials identified 

message: How is the article rated? Is it a part of any WikiProjects? It has been rated as C-Class and Low-Importance. Is is part of a WikiProject of Human Rights.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.sil13 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question from class 

message: There are a number of notable countries missing: China, India, Russia (formerly the Soviet Union), and no countries in South America. I put this forward as a direction for improvement.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Q746371 (talk • contribs) 21:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Perspective 

message: The lead currently has the sentence "It is a type of freedom of speech." in it. However, the body doesn't bear this out, in my opinion. There are some mentions of freedom of speech in the country-specific sections that don't bother differentiating between the two, while for the US, it says that the two are not "coextensive". There is no paragraph in this article that actually states that academic freedom is a type of freedom of speech, so I think that sentence should be removed. --92.72.2.121 (talk) 21:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "It is a type of freedom of speech." 

message: i noticed a large amount of content was recently removed  without discussion, skimming what was removed, removing it doesn't seem to be warranted, but consulting a few recent editors rather than unilaterally re-adding it. Irtapil (talk) 11:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the edit summaries for the explanations, I made several edits trying to make the content acceptable for wikipedia but eventually found it completely unusable after extensive reading of the main source. The recent edits removed by HorseEye are pov pushing as stated by them. Corinald (talk) 23:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

text: What does that diff have to do with this page? Is this intended as some sort of retribution or battleground behavior in response to my reverting you on Taiwan? Seems a bit weird given that you also didn't tag me along with the other involved editors. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:07, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

text: "retribution" is an excessively personal framing, and battleground is way over the top. You seemed to frequently revert by default, so i looked at your edits on other pages to see whether they were justified reversions or might be removing constructive contributions. This one removed a large amount of seemingly well referenced material, so i thought it needed a second opinion. I didn't tag you because i didn't think you'd have much more to say on it than your already said in the edit summary? and you don't justify the removal any further, so i guessed right? (As for point of view pushing, you seem to be doing that quite a lot yourself, but i cannot fathom your agenda beyond speculation that you are North American, and a wild guess at Texas?) Irtapil (talk) 08:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

text: ah, did i paste the wrong link?  seemed to deduce what i meant. Irtapil (talk) 08:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  large amount of content removed without discussion 

message: Although there is a section on *pontifical universities* already, a section on Catholic universities more generally would be appropriate.  As things stand, a reader might draw the inference that *all* Catholic universities somehow depend on the Pope for their academic freedom, or that pontifical universities are somehow not subject to American laws, or that their employees do not have the same rights as other Americans.  In reality, professors at Catholic universities have been struggling since at least the 1960s to have the same academic freedom rights ensured to them as professors at other American universities.  https://www.jstor.org/stable/1464338 Dmanier (talk) 12:43, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic universities 

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