Talk:Iruvar

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message: Some IPs keep reverting the lead saying that Prakash Raj was a supporting actor. The fact that he won the 'Best Supporting Actor' is irrelevant and shouldn't be taken into consideration. There are numerous instances, where supporting actors got 'Best Actor' award and vice-versa. For instance, Saranya Ponvannan got the Best Actress award for a supporting role in Thenmerku Paruvakaatru. On the other hand, Appukutty, the lead actor of Azhagarsamiyin Kuthirai, was given the Best Supporting Actor award. As the film's title (Duo) implies, it's the story of two people. No matter who is credited first in the title cards. —Vensatry  (Talk)  18:50, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The film name Saving Private Ryan doesn't mean that Matt Damon (Ryan) is the lead actor. Mohanlal was nominated and missed the National Film Award for Best Actor, only the actor performed in leading role will be shortlisted for best actor. And Prakash Raj was nominated and won the National Film Award for Best Supporting Actor. Mohanlal's character (Anandan) has more screen presence than Prakash's character (Tamizhselvan), and plot centres in the life of Anandan and goes in his perspective. The friendship between Anandan and Tamizhselvan is a strong point in the film, hence the name Duo. Also remember Mani Ratnam initially named the film Anandan (Mohanlal's character name), its in the article. --49.15.197.136 (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I said let's maintain the 'status quo'. It's not that you revert (by making a contentious change) and ask me to discuss. Do you have any official sources which say Mohanlal was nominated for the 'Best Actor' award? Besides, as I said earlier that's irrelevant as nobody is questioning Mohanlal's role in the film. The film is about the friendship between two personalities who held a high influence in Tamil cinema and Dravidian politics, so don't frame your own theories. —Vensatry  (Talk)  06:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a subjective claim, yet look at some of the sources which say both Mohanlal and Prakash Raj were lead actors: ,  (opinion of the singer though), . . —Vensatry  (Talk)  06:59, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

text: This man wants to prove that Prakash Raj has equal importance as of Mohanlal in the film on the sake of the name Iruvar (The Duo). How can you tell that ? What if the name represented Mohanlal and Aishwarya Rai (who done the role which represented Jayalalitha), the female lead opposite Mohanlal, her role was also a duel role. Or what if it meant Anandan's (Mohanlal) duel personality as an actor and a politician ?. A name can represent many things. These may have be the reason why Mani Ratnam changed the film title from Anandan to Iruvar (The Duo). And the sources you listed doesn't matter at all. For example, Prabhas does the lead role in Baahubali, and Rana Daggubati done a supporting role, but i can show you sources saying both Prabhas and Rana as the lead actors IndianExpress, DailyNewsandAnalysis, DeccanChronicle - these doesn't mean both of them are main lead. Mohanlal was considered 13 times for NFA for Best Actor that including Iruvar. Here is the source.--106.66.161.132 (talk) 10:56, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not trying to "prove" anything. We should go by what sources say. As I said earlier, nobody is questioning Mohanlal's significance in the film. Sure, the plot moves from Anandan's perspective, but we shouldn't list Prakash Raj's name alongside Tabu, Gouthami, Revathi and Nassar. The NFA thing doesn't really matter to this discussion. The claim (from the unreliable vernacular source) is probably a factoid. The comparison with Baahubali is irrelevant as both are different films. —Vensatry  (Talk)  13:44, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The title Duo clearly represents Anandan and Thamizhselvan, not Anandan and Aishwarya Rai, combined or separately as you presume. Don't formulate your own theories. If you believe that's true, please show me a reliable source. —Vensatry  (Talk)  13:49, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That said, I don't have a problem if someone wants to include Aishwarya Rai too, provided the claim is cited using a reliable source. —Vensatry  (Talk)  12:46, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

text: Looks like you are not going to end this. It's always better to use a format like this. In these types of disputes, the cast are usually arranged in the series manner like the film credits order. And don't make your own opinion on the reliability of a website. You cannot find an official source for nomination list for NFA as the they never officially announce the nominations like The Oscars or Filmfare. So you should rely on secondary sources.--106.66.158.220 (talk) 16:14, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should I end when your intentions are clearly POVish? Clubbing Mohanlal, Prakash Raj, and Ash would make sense, but not Nasser, Tabu, Revathi, and Gauthami. They are secondary characters for sure. As for 'Filmibeat', it's not considered reliable in WP. If you want you may ask at WP:RSN. So it's clearly not just 'my opinion'. If we don't have official sources, we shouldn't assume things on our won either. Mags and blogs hype things up. —Vensatry  (Talk)  17:21, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
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