Talk:Scottish Rite

message: The table for the Degree structure lists KCCH as a subset of the 33rd Degree.  This is incorrect; KCCH is an elevation within the 32nd Degree.link to Supreme Council, Southern Jurisdiction  The table should be modified to reflect this. Bricology (talk) 20:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Done? -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:08, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in Degree structure 

message: The names of some of the degrees in the Northern Jurisdiction do not match the actual names in the Northern Jurisdiction Scottish Rite Passport. How were the names of the degrees obtained?  I mean, I literally have the passport right next to me and am a Mason so...yeah they don't match.
:According to the citation, the list we use was taken from Freemasons for Dummies by Christopher Hodapp (, Hungry Minds Inc, U.S., 2005. pp. 226-227).  Hodapp is usually very reliable, so I tend to trust what he says.  However, I do know that the Northern Jurisdiction restructured (and re-named) their degrees at some point relatively recently... and I suspect that this may be the reason for the difference between the list on your passport and what Hodapp says.  The question is whether your passport has the up-to-date names, or whether Hodapp has them.  When was your passport issued?  Blueboar (talk) 16:10, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... I checked out the list of degrees at the website of a Valley in Pennsylvania (which is under Northern Jurisdiction)... and yeah... something is off... the list of degrees in the Lodge of Perfection does not quite match what we have ... so I now suspect that Hodapp is out of date, and that we need to correct our information.  Just to double check... Does your passport match the degrees listed on the website? Blueboar (talk) 16:29, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The NMJ changes degrees periodically, so I'm sure Hodapp's 2005 book is out of date. The only issue is that Wikipedia has a rule against original research. We can't just open our passports and fix the chart, it needs to come from an external source. Cosmic Sans (talk) 17:56, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that we can not cite a passport... We can use (and cite) website of the Valley in Lancaster Pennsylvania.  I only asked about the passport to double check that the Valley's website is accurate.  Blueboar (talk) 12:05, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have my passport with me right now, but I can tell you right now that this website is out of date. For example, the 19th degree is now "Brothers of the Trail" instead of "Grand Pontiff." This was a fairly recent change... I saw the new degree this year and I think it was the first time it was put on in my state. Everything else looks "more or less" right although I think there's something to be changed in the Consistory degrees. Cosmic Sans (talk) 15:04, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the double post, but this one looks right to me: http://www.scottishriteboston.org/en/page.php?id=12 thoughts? Cosmic Sans (talk) 15:06, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and updated the NMJ degrees in accordance with the Scottish Rite of Boston website Cosmic Sans (talk) 15:37, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of the degrees in the Northern Jurisdiction 

message: The citation [55] for the following statement doesn't make sense: "In England and Wales, whose Supreme Council was warranted by that of the Northern Jurisdiction of the USA (in 1845),[55] ..." Here's what the citation reads: " "Property Market in the South East - Bedsfordshire Property Times". www.beds-freemasonry.org.uk. Archived from the original on 22 August 2017. Retrieved 28 April 2018." That link is now dead, but the main url seems to be some real-estate website not affiliated with Masonry. Mpaniello (talk) 15:12, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Error