Talk:Aiden McGeady

message: The only source given in this article (his autobiography) does not mention his ever playing for any Scottish national team, please provide a source for this extra information as this relates to quite a controversial subject!  - Terence Gunning, 29 March, 2006, 9:45pm, AEST
:Terence, you could try here
:It mentions  "He represented Scotland at a secondary school international tournament in Paris against Brazil, Argentina and England before France 98 while still at primary school"
:this one mentions "The facts, as far as can be established, are that Aiden was almost 12 when he was picked by the SSFA selectors in 1998 to play in an under-13 World Cup tournament in Paris. Scotland lost to England in the final, but McGeady was a stand-out and, in the words of one SSFA official, was earmarked as one for the future."
:this one says much the same.
--TheMadTim 13:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National team source 

message: I edited the sentence in the first line of the article regarding his choice to represent Ireland. We should state that he represents Ireland at the international level. If the issue of his choosing Ireland is necessary then a seperate section should be created.  Lochdale 23:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a long interview, I think by the BBC, with is usually on youtube. Journalistic interviews are citable sources. See Wikipedia:Citation templates for the relevant template. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 15:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: National Team

message: My opinion, as given in the previous section, is that due to the disputed nature of nationality (especially as it pertains to sports representation) that we should not use broad terms such as "Irish" or "Scottish-born" to refer to the McGeady's nationality. Instead, we should simply explain, in a couple of sentences, exactly what the facts are: that McGeady was born in Scotland, but has chosen to play for the Republic of Ireland. This revision contains wording that seems appropriate.
The same compromise was reached (after considerable debate) on Giuseppe Rossi, who is in an almost identical situation.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion by [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham]] 

message: My opinion, as given in the previous section, is that due to the fact that nationality with regards football pertains to what country they play for - where they were born is not a defining factor. Both McCarthy and McGeady hold Irish passports and choose to play for Ireland - therefore making them Irish - simple as that no matter what bigots think. The Irish diaspora is very strong and it is hardly uncommon to for 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation Irish people to still consider themselves primarily Irish - given the fact that both of these players actually hold Irish passports and play for Ireland just rubber stamps that.
The same situation arises with Richard Gough, who is in an almost identical situation.
I actually think that the current wording which states he is an "Irish international footballer" with a link to the article on the Irish team is a fair compromise.
--Vintagekits (talk) 10:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated on the other RfC, Gough has (a) a direct parental Scottish birthright and (b) self-identifies as Scottish. There is no indication (through reliable sources) that your assertion that "2nd, 3rd or 4th generation Irish people ... still consider themselves primarily Irish" applies to McGeady, who is currently still a British citizen with a British passport in addition to his (purported) Irish nationality. The revision I linked to in my argument also contains a link to the ROI national team, without wikilinking using the phrase "Irish international" which could easily be construed by readers as being two separate statements. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  "McGeady, who is currently still a British citizen with a British passport in addition to his (purported) Irish nationality." - The article states he self identifies as Irish - and he holds an Irish passport making him what? Irish!--Vintagekits (talk) 11:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see no indication that you wish the word "British" to be included in the lede, even though McGeady is at least as "British" as he is "Irish" (having been born a British subject to British parents and lived in the United Kingdom for his whole life). I would rather include neither, and word the section to be exact, rather than having this discussion. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Does he hold a British or Scottish (*cough*laugh*cough*) passport? Why would he need to? He has an Irish wan! If you want to remove that term "American", "English", "Irish", "French" from the lead paragraph of everyone sports person who has ever represented "their country" then I think you are running into a brick wall. despite the protestations of Scottish bigots, they choose to represent their country - over their country of birth - their country is Ireland - they are Irish - they should be described as such. Just have a look at all the Surinam born players for Holland like Mark de Vries, Aron Winter, Regi Blinker, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink all referred to as "Dutch" because they played for Holland - the same goes for pretty much every other player.--Vintagekits (talk) 11:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The presence of counterexamples does not indicate a settled precedent. I could likewise point to (and have already pointed to) examples where it was settled the other way. I have certainly already argued to remove the term "Scottish" from the ledes of those self-identifying Englishmen as Kris Commons who happen to have Scottish caps. As for Suriname, considering that it only became independent of the Netherlands in 1975 then it seems rather likely that the players listed were actually born Dutch subjects anyway (indeed, Winters's infobox says as such already). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article clearly states that McGeady self identifies as Irish (not that he needs to once he pulled on the green shirt!) - therefore Irish - it doesnt get more simple.--Vintagekits (talk) 12:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Notice how the BBC cleverly describes McGeady...GiantSnowman 13:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion by [[user:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 

message: The Euro 2012 Tournament starts For Rep OF Ireland vs Croatia and I Predict Aiden Mcgeady will be the best Irish player out there and take the world stage by storm.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.69.166 (talk) 22:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOTFORUM  Kevin McE (talk) 14:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aiden Mcgeady  Rep of Ireland's Best Player 

message: Aiden Mcgeady is called an Irish foootballer and calls himself that ,maybe this page should locked.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86 D (talk • contribs) 16:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Odd statement, the only IP address used on this article in more than 32 months is that used by the complainant before he registered.  Kevin McE (talk) 17:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Certain Ip Address Vandalising Page 

message: This is a confusing description to non Irish/Scottish people. Can I suggest that it is changed to of Scottish and Irish descent or similar? The page gives a good clear description of how McGeady qualifies to play for Republic of Ireland through his Grandparentage without refering to the player as Irish/Scot. Mrspy (talk) 16:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best description of him is as a "Republic of Ireland (or Irish) International footballer". The lead, as it is, is very amateur and not written in a way conforming to the standards of Wikipedia at all. This page has become a place for editors to fight over nationality wording when it isn't what McGeady is known for. He is a footballer and as a footballer is unquestionably Irish. Adam4267 (talk) 21:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in agreement that really he should be described as Irish as this is the nationality he has chosen to represent. I would say he isn't unquestionably Irish as he was born in Scotland to Scottish parents, however in footballing terms he is Irish but it should be noted in the article that he was born in Scotland (which I think it is). Mrspy (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Irish-Scot" 

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