Talk:TriMet

message: I've begun destroying the criticisms section and merging it into the rest of the article. The article kinda sucks, so the article as a whole needs to be expanded while we work on removing the criticisms section. I'm not overjoyed with the changes I've made, so that's where you come in to throw in your wiki sense! Alphalife (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms section 

message: The last three 2400-series buses have been retired.  The last day of use of any of them in service was August 1.  I favor leaving them in the bus fleet list in the article — with a transitional phrase, which I've added there — for a month or two, after which time I intend to delete them (if there are no objections to this plan). The Washington Park Shuttle is using 1900-series buses now.  SJ Morg (talk) 08:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2400-series buses retired 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TriMet#TriMet_Route_History
I'd like to follow up on this as to say: in 1993, there was also a Line 153 which appears to be a shuttle line serving Molalla, south of the Clackamas Community College campus, assuming the same route Line 33 had in its occasional peak-hour trips south of the college. That's according to the TriMet System Map (see the Oregon City inset) dated September 5, 1993.
Line 87-Washington Square/Beaverton was a peak-hour shuttle service that served between the Washington Square mall and the former 1979-built Beaverton Transit Center via Murray Blvd., assuming much of the same route as today's Line 62-Murray Blvd. This was one of seven daytime routes cancelled after September 7, 1986 (#46-Maplewood and #49-Arnold Creek were others) as part of that year's budget cuts.
While Line 40-Johns Landing is made mention of in the January 1984-dated Fareless Square map, I'd like to think this route and all other "new" routes covered in this map had actually begun service September 4, 1983. 
That same map also witnessed the temporary closure of the Steel Bridge and the permanent relocation of all cross-mall routes from Morrison (westbound) and Yamhill (eastbound) streets to Washington (westbound) and Salmon (eastbound) streets, so that the inaugural MAX Blue Line's tracks could be built. The Troutdale (#18) and Gresham (then #24) lines continued service via I-84 to and from Portland through June of '84, at which point the latter line was discontinued, while the former gained new service to the Hollywood District assuming the same route as then Line #40-Halsey to 67th, then using Tillamook between 67th and 92nd, and then back on Halsey and the rest of its regular eastbound route. I also notice Line #18 in that map also goes somewhere south of 5th Avenue (presumably to SW 1st & Arthur), since it appears to go off the map.
WikiPro1981X (talk) 02:21, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have deleted this section (and replaced it with more appropriate content), because it is completed unreferenced, as well as being excessive detail – very excessive (consuming about half of the page) – for inclusion in the general TriMet article.  It was a good faith addition by a new editor, so I left what I believed was a tactful explanation on his talk page when I first deleted it (a week ago), but he quickly reverted the edit and blanked-out the message I'd left, without giving any reply or comment.  So, this time, I am leaving a message here, and I hope others will comment. As I wrote earlier on that user talk page, this "route history" may be appropriate for inclusion in the article List of TriMet bus routes, but I don't want to be the person who moves it to there, because personally I  believe the content does not belong on Wikipedia until and unless acceptable references are added, and currently it has none.  An anonymous editor tried to cite "Published TriMet schedules and system route maps" as a source, but that is not a suitable source for Wikipedia, because it fails the requirement for verifiability.  TriMet schedules are not permanently archived anywhere (such as TriMet's website or a public library), and therefore information given in past editions cannot be verified.  Route information currently available on TriMet's website certainly does meet WP:RS, but this only works for current routes, because the agency doesn't (publicly) archive that information for former routes. SJ Morg (talk) 10:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Hi CFWheeler. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please keep in mind Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. In other words, it isn't a place to post all information, but a good overview of TriMet. Excessively long lists of facts may not be appropriate for Wikipedia, even if they are verified. In this case, you should probably read about Alternative outlets to post this type of information other than Wikipedia. As far as 'filing a complaint with Wikipedia', there are many noticeboards. I'd suggest starting at the Teahouse, which provides a way for newer editors to receive support. tedder (talk) 20:21, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The content discussed here has now been relocated to the article List of TriMet bus routes (which is linked from the general TriMet article), and any further discussion of whether it meets Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion should take place on that article's talk page, rather than here. SJ Morg (talk) 12:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  TriMet Route History 

message: I have some suggestions for some improvements to the bus fleet section I wanted some input on:
:"TriMet does not currently operate any 60-foot (18 m) articulated buses. In 1982, the agency introduced 87 such buses, manufactured by Crown-Ikarus, a now-defunct partnership between Ikarus, of Hungary, and Crown Coach, of California, but experienced numerous problems with them, and has not purchased any more articulated buses. The last such buses were retired in 1999."
This feels like it should be in a history section (I guess the timeline in this article). If we think the fact that TriMet doesn't have artics is notable, maybe we can leave a short blurb on this section of the page. Something to the effect of "TriMet does not currently operate any 60-foot (18 m) articulated buses."
:"In 2008 TriMet ordered 40 New Flyer D40LFR buses, which model features restyled ends, and these entered service in 2009. These buses offer better fuel efficiency and quieter operation than previous New Flyer buses while maintaining high parts compatibility. The restyled look replaces the square-shaped headlights and front windows with round headlights and a more rounded windshield."
As it stands this doesn't feel notable at all. There's no mention of the fact that TriMet purchased several hundred New Flyer D40LF buses over the course of nearly a decade in this section, yet this small order of 40 buses gets a rather sizable write-up. I move to delete it.
Also I think it's worth mentioning in the article that TriMet held off on purchasing any buses between 2009 and 2012 because of the budget shortfall created by the "great recession." That would provide an opportunity to explain why some of the buses in current fleet are so old (25 years old!) and provide a nice segue into the rapid purchases of buses from Gillig.
I'd love to hear input from the other editors who regularly work on this page before I make these changes. --RickyCourtney (talk) 16:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bus Fleet Questions 

message: *Disagree: See this 2013 discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of TriMet bus routes. Whether it's in form of a standalone article or a section within the TriMet article, the same arguments against such a list apply. – SJ Morg (talk) 08:37, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again, however, why are there so many other lists that have the same information that you have not gone against? RES2773 (talk) 19:43, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding back the (updated) List of TriMet bus routes 

message: full name:  LIFT Paratransit Service 
The LIFT program
Has About 170 16 passenger vans
Transports about 1 million rides per year
Based out of 3 garages: one for each county
On an average weekday:
LIFT operators perform 3500 to 4000 trips
operators drive 24,455 miles
Central dispatch handles 900 to 1000 customer calls with 6 dispatchers
Reservationists take over 2000 trip requests
– 50.39.218.224, 3:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimet also offers para transit service 

message: Any thoughts on including the 2015 flooding of the MAX trains in the criticisms/controversy section? CassaundraS (talk) 18:32, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2015 flood incident

message: i don't know how to edit stuff
https://aclu-or.org/en/press-releases/judge-rules-trimet-fare-enforcement-unconstitutional
https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2018/09/25/aclu-of-oregon-says-it-may-seek-a-court-order-forcing-trimet-to-halt-random-fare-inspections/
https://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2018/09/trimets_arrest_of_latina_schoo.html
https://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2018/08/29/22518175/are-trimets-fare-enforcement-tactics-constitutional
https://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/353608-233439-aclu-lawsuit-leads-to-new-police-policies-training  
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.138.29 (talk) 15:25, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon vs trimet 

message: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1499096.html
http://www.swlearning.com/blaw/cases/administrative/0210_administrative_01.html
https://www.chegg.com/homework-help/the-legal-environment-of-business-11th-edition-chapter-15-solutions-9780538473996
http://or.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20081008_0000427.DOR.htm/qx
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2015-03-13/pdf/2015-05646.pdf
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.138.29 (talk • contribs) 05:24, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:   Boose v. Tri-County Metropolitan Transportation District of Oregon 

message: There are some articles out there from local papers about the TriMet police.  They have about 70 officers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeroXero (talk • contribs) 18:20, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a section on the TriMet police  

message: The topic is very specific to TriMet and I think it's too obscure to warrant its own article. On it's own, it may not pass GNG. Graywalls (talk) 19:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Fareless Square]] into [[TriMet]] 

message: There’s a growing herd of new 60’ articulated TriMet buses, possibly as many as 20 mainly painted green, at NE Columbia near 40th. I’m not going to edit because I have only my own sighting and no facts beyond that.  Tspofford (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articulated TriMet buses