Talk:Dykes (surname)

message: "Hadrian's Wall, also referred to in some texts as Hadrian's Dyke". Which texts? It would be nice to have a cite so that this snippet of information can go into the Hadrian's Wall article.   I know about From Ritual to Romance but I am wondering if there are others. Telsa 08:00, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hadrian's Dyke?

message: This is confused in the article (see queries), with two conflicting proposals, and another obvious possibility omitted.  Dykesfield on the face of it would mean Dyke's Field.  If so, the place is named after the name, not the other way about, and the original Dyke could have come from anywhere.  The del Dykes theory is attractive, but needs evidence to support it – and the plural in this derivation needs explanation, as Hadrian only built the one wall.  And what about Dick?  Is this not at least an equally likely origin for the name?  Some discussion of it is needed – particularly as Dicks, Dix and Dixon (Dick's-son) are not uncommon names (the s in this origin would be a much more easily explained possessive, and the y spelling and sound in Dykes could easily be like those in Smythe).  A Dicks origin would not be incompatible with the use of del Dykes, which would have been a convenient false etymology for a family named Dicks because of the higher social standing of Norman-sounding de names compared with obvious Saxon ones (see Daniel Defoe for a later example of this).--Richard New Forest 08:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: References have now been added for the queries I raised (by User:Dpd).  However, these are 19th century sources which hardly look academic (unless I am seriously misjudging, for example, the latest of them: The Gentleman's Magazine of 1867...).  Such sources are likely to have simply repeated the family folklore of the "gentlemen" for whom they were written – and even if any are academic, they predate a great deal of the science of etymology.  Either way they do not suffice.  What is needed is a proper modern etymological source – until we have that, the 19th century claims are weak to say the least.  On the other hand the "Dick's" theory is so obvious that it must be discussed, if only to show how it is wrong (if it is).  Any other theory must explain how such very similar names as "Dicks" and "Dykes" could have different origins.  --Richard New Forest (talk) 10:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of name

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