Talk:Battle of Świecino

message: It's not clear to me what "tabor" is. Is it a technical term known to most military historians? Or could it possibly be a word needing an English translation here?
:IMHO, it needs to be translated JHK
In my (rather old) polish dictionary it means something like 'Rolling stock' or 'train'. This doesn't make sense in all cases used in the article though.
Tabor is
a) mountain and city in Czech, important for hussite wars
b) some biblical mountain
c) military term, referring to wagons connected by chains. Formation of wagons could fight and moving (something like first panzer formations) or could be fortified and became wagenburg, fortified camp, entranched camp. 
d) tabor is also army service column.
Tabor was very typical for Old-Polish army, it developed first however in Czech, it was then enhanced (and adapted back to Poland) by Cossacks. Other nations may also use tabors.
I don't know which word use, since i am not sure if wagenburg, or descriptive "wagons connected by chains" will be ok to use here. I decided that i will use word tabor and i will later exaplin it's meaning in separate entry, however i guess native english speakers should know better what word would fit here szopen
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szopen I am guessing you are talking about the "War of the cities" the Preussische Bund Hansa cities versus the Teutonic Knights ? 
When you write in Polish Swiecin are you referring to Schwetz at the Vistula River ? 
user:H.J.
:This could be Battle of Schwetz, but battle of Swiecin definetely was during war between Poland and Teuton Order. Again, Prussian confederacy was _not_ only of cities, although cities, especially three of them, played big part in them. Peace which ended war was between Teutons and Poland, not between Teutons and Prussian confederacy.
:I will add Schwetz as a German name, and i will add also redirect. szopen
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To szopen
By the dates and places it sounds like that is the battle. It is called the Thirteen-Year-War.
user:H.J.
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By "the Polish crown," English speakers understand "the monarchy (government) of Poland."
If you want to change it to the name of the ruler, then you need to change it to read "the Polish king." JHK
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Would it be simpler to just say that all the cavalry were mercenaries, plus X of the infantry?
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This sentence: "This way that Teutonic forces in Prussia, on the rights bank of Vistula were cut off from the supplies form Western Europe." needs some spelling fixed. Change to "This way the Teutonic forces in Prussia, on the rights bank of Vistula were cut off from the supplies from Western Europe."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.150.237 (talk) 17:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early discussions 

message: Removed bad link, new links added. Swiecino 23:00, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The external link appears to be broken. 

message: POlish name used in all books i know is Świecin. SWIECIN. 
Szopen
: What books ?? Could you make a quotation Mestwin 21:36, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Dzieje narodu i panstwa polskiego, wojna 13-letnia, don't remember the author right now. Actually right now i think it may be effect of my ignorance: in book it is called "bitwa pod Swiecinem"  - it would be called the same way whether the vilalge would be Swiecino or Swiecin. Apologise, i am going under the table and barking out what i've writtern. But "battle of swiecin" as redirect of course shoudl stay, because once Jimo said something in sense that even mispellings are Ok if they increase google hits. Szopen
Polish name used in all books I know is Świecino, Bitwa pod Świecinem - Swiecino 23:00, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: But I have printed book in which battle is called "of Świecin" or "Żarnowiec".
I have addes 5 books to the 2 existing in the futher reading section and they all say Swiecino Mestwin 21:36, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books about Swiecin/Swiecino 

message: Google: Swiecin 188, Swiecino 14, Świecin 4, Świecino 120.
All the google hits of 'Swiecin' are to the Wikipedia article and to subsidiary sites.
So i guess the names are valid alternatives (if we will have edit war here over name it would even funnier than over Gdansk/Danzig) Szopen
So, why isn't it moved to "Battle of Swiecino" yet?.. The Polish name is Swiecino, therefore the Polish name for the battle would be "Bitwa pod Świecinem" (added Wiki-PL link), so the English name should be Battle of Swiecino. Pibwl 19:16, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google hits about Swiecino 

message: The desc of the battle needs majot rewrite. I meen the number of forces, conduct of the battle, results of the battle, involvement of Eric of Pomerania. The various sources to use are:
Swiecino 1462 
Fought during the 13 years war with the Teutonic Order. The definitive battle that saw the Order reduced into  ruin and fall under the might of Polish overlordship. Polish army decides to charge the German Garrison near Swiecino. Assault is successful, 1,000 Germans die, 70 are captured, 200 tabors are taken including all 15 artillery pieces. Polish losses at 100 dead and 150 wounded. After this battle the Order's defenses slowly cracked. In 1463 ships under the Polish insignia of Elbing and Gdansk defeated a German flotilla at Zalewie Wislanym. Puck fell in 1464, Now in 1465. In 1466 Starogard and Chojnice. 
polisharmies.ds4a.com/greatest1/greatest1.html
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In 1462 Gdansk was relieved by an able commander Piotr Dunin, who with 2,000 troops defeated 2,700 men of the Order at Swiecino near Puck on 17th August. This proved to be the turning point.
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I have rewritten the battle, adding some sections and titles, using 5 books on history and military operations. However I didn't touch the main course of the battle, which requires more work. Mestwin 21:38, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of the battle 

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message: written completely from a Polish POV. No German sources are cited. Section "Aftermath" only brings the alleged positive effects on the Polish side. --Tino Cannst (talk) 07:57, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish bias