Talk:Ultras

message: I think the pictures which were used are not fitting to the article at all. As you can see at the banners it's not Schalke Ultras who show the "Happy Birthday" wallpaper, it's just normal fans. Also saying "Happy Birthday" in this way isn't the typical "Ultras-way" to do it. The other picture also doesn't fit, because it shows the Barra Brava in Argentina and not Ultras, which might be similar but not the same. Abgas (talk) 08:44, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: What is the article missing:
: The origin of the "Ultra" usage. from what I remember there were three major possiblilites:
:* Ultras, as in "extremist" or "extreme";
:* Ultras, from the Clockwork Orange term Ultra Violence;
:* An acronym created by early Sampdoria groups
: Public detractors of the movement
: Some photos. I could get plenty of photos with permission from Colectivo 95 (FC Porto), but it would make the article look very one sided.
: notable incidents
Given time, this could be a featured article, methinks.
\ wolfenSilva / 10:56, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing information

message: I create the page for the list of ultras groups, the List of ultras groups need to be expanded, so the extense list of this page can be deleted.
::I'm gonna edit the list of groups section. This page is fine, but that list make it too long, and it keep growing. So i'm going to put the link to List of ultras groups in that section. I can't put all the groups alone, so i will put the current list in the talk page of the list page, i will make it in three days if nobody oppose to it.--Bauta 06:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of groups created 

message: As stated on this page the list of groups page was created to simplify this page. Someone who knows how to do it please cancel that proposal and make one new with the suggestion of the section on this page to be traspased to the list page
The two pages should be merged in my opinion. What is incredibly odd about the Ultras list page is that there are Ultras Groups listed on both the main page and the Talk Page. Take the England Ultras Groups for instance - on the Main Page is a list of supposed Ultras Groups - non of which seem to be real Ultras Groups and certainly not the ICF who are a Hooligan Firm and do not call themselves Ultras. Then on the Talk page there is another totally different list with the details of 'real' Ultras Groups in England such as the Accrington and Aldershot Ultras, together with links to their websites. So, taking that into account surely the two pages should be merged and the two different lists combined into one on this page? Tangerines 21:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And if you check, the two articles were merged nearly four months ago...... ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 00:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: under detractors - "...to more serious criticisms like theft of highway service stations..."
is this manglish (perhaps meaning robberies etc.) or nonsense? Dibo 06:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense? 

message: I cleaned the links list, removing 404's, forums, non pertinent and team specific sites. Sites listed should only be related to the general "ultras" term and not single supporters groups. As Wiki guidelines, forums should not be listed. Maybe Tifonet.net is to be listed only in the italian voice? Fototifo.it contains just pics so it's easy to browse it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.38.79.109 (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: The article as it currently reads seems like an advocacy piece, trying to convince us that ultras are peaceful and rumors of hooliganism are overplayed and unfair, and so on.  It needs to be made much more neutral, and statements cited to specific people rather than made out of thin air. --Delirium 15:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree.  It reads, without any citation, that "Ultras are just misunderstood"... --Bobak 20:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Just to add that I am trying to work on this and get this neutral without rumour. And to get sources cited. Tangerines 19:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  seems like an apologia for ultras 

message: As part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football I have started to clean up this article. I have made some initial small edits, but will be making more substantial changes over the coming days. Included in that is a total revamp of all the lists of ultras groups that appear on both this article and on List of ultras groups. If I make an edit that you disagree with or delete an Ultra Group that you think should remain, please let me know Tangerines 20:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Clean up

message: Just to clarfiy, the reason this has had to be removed from the list of groups is that the linked page, used to verify the group, does not work. The website given, http://www.bluewhitebrigade.com/, comes up with "the page cannot be displayed". If there are online newspaper articles mentioning the group then by all means add them with that link. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 15:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Melbourne Victory Blue & White Brigade

message: In answer to the above question, asked presumably by User:81.155.163.62, the only group that was listed was the Beer Front of Levante, however the website for that group seemed to be more about a hooligan firm than an Ultra group and so it was removed. If you have groups names with full verificatin for their existence, add them to the list. They need to be referenced though. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 00:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wheres the ultras listing for Spain? 

message: As part of WP:WPSPAM I've tagged the 'List of Groups section with the  tag. I believe that this is collection of external links is innappropiate on Wikipedia (following the guidlines on WP:EL and WP:NOT. If a user want't to research all the different Ultras groups they wouldn't use Wikipedia they would use Google or a dedicated Ultras site. -- Rehnn83 Talk 14:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the entire "List of groups" section should be removed per WP:NOT#LINK .  It would be best to replace it, if possible, with a link to an appropriate link repository with the same information.  Does dmoz have such a list? --Ronz 16:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Section removed. I couldn't find a dmoz list, or anything similar to use as a replacement. --Ronz 04:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That link, WP:NOT#LINK, does not state that there should be no lists. In addition there appears to have been no real discussion about whether or not the list should be removed.♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 15:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you bring skim through Wikipedia_talk:External_links a bit.  If you still aren't convinced, start a discussion there. --Ronz 16:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Being relatively new, I shall make sure to have a proper read before even thinking of discussing. I can understand your reasoning on deleting the groups, but not being sure about many wikipedia policies especially in relation to simply deleting listd without any real discussion, I would rather find out first before bringing it up there. I know that, for instance, some pages on dubious topics are put up for deletion (AfD?), and that a consensus has to be reached on that before action is taken one way or the other. But I have no idea about simply deleting a whole list without discussion, especially when reading this, WP:NOT#LINK which does not seem to be an "open and shut case" that all lists should be removed and it does seem open to interpretation.♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 16:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI: The reason I deleted so quickly was because there had been no further discussion after four days and the original notice about it had been moved to an archive: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2007_Archive_Apr#List_of_Groups_on_Ultras. --Ronz 16:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: As the person who originally tagged the article - I created this discussion here to gauge opinions. The only ones coming forward where in agreement with my original message. Ronz just beat me to it. -- Rehnn83 Talk 19:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Groups 

message: Added a little info about leftist / radical ultras groups, commonly referred to as Antifa Ultra or Antifa Hooligans, which may or may not derive from the song of he same name by Spanish Ska Punk band Los Fastidios. Limes 06:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antifa Ultra 

message: Please remove the reference to the Celtic cross being used by fascist and being an offensive image. The Celtic Cross is not used by these groups - it is more akin to a target cross-hair as if you compare the two symbols you'll see that is definately a Celtic Cross.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.234.251 (talk) 13:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celtic Cross 

message: These are group that claims ultra status, when in fact they are not.
they can only properly have a claim, because of the fact that to every game they bring flags.
they never engage in violence, although have a far left politcal aleigence.
:: "Far-" and "no violence" are self-excluding. 78.34.103.67 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 00:24, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ultra Groups - Green Brigade and other things. 

message: Thank you for adding some reference to the restored material, however a large amount is still uncited and if it remains like so for a month I will trim the article again Gnevin (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Restored material

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