Talk:Paddle steamer

message: I listed Steamboat, Steamship, and Paddle steamer, as well as the redirect Steamer on the Wikipedia:Duplicate articles page. I think that the first 2 terms are interchangeable based on the "What links here" lists, and although paddle steamer is ok as a separate article, there's some overlap with what's in the other 2 articles. I think there shd be only steamboat or steamship but not both.  But I'm not a ship-boat expert, so I'm not going to decide or attempt to merge the text appropriately. Elf | Talk 05:26, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge tag removed as discussion at steamboat. ...dave souza, talk 00:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscellaneous 

message: While I'm not uninterested in oceangoing types, shouldn't paddle steamer include river & lake types? For instance, Walk in the Water, on the Buffalo-Detroit route, first steamer on the Great Lakes.  Trekphiler 12:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The above comments are a bit puzzling: Trekphiler, the article clearly includes river and lake paddle steamers – there's not much ocean in Switzerland. Seagoing paddle steamers are unusual enough now to have their own section: it could be possible to reorganise things to provide a non-seagoing section. iranon1661, presumably you're commenting on the suggestion of a merger: this looks pretty old with no consensus to merge, and I propose that the merge tags be removed. ...dave souza 00:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Steamer classes

message: I looked up this reference because I wanteed to know how a sternwheeler is steered, but there is no information here.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.18.6.107 (talk • contribs). 
:Now you come to mention it, I'd like to know too!
:EdJogg 13:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as an FYI, the wirefire site above is very interesting about sternwheelers. Karanne (talk) 17:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: How is a sternwheeler steered?

message: This entry states: 
"a side-wheeler has extra maneuverability since the power may be directed to one wheel at a time."
I believe this is misleading as I can find no refference to any of the Steamers on the Murray Darling River System having this ability. Certainly none of ones I have photographed are capable of having the wheels driven independently. 
Perhaps this ability was limited to larger boats.
(I am very new at this Wikipedia Stuff)
RDUNC 10:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of Paddle Steamer 

message: It would be good if the article could say something definitive about the advantages and disadvantages of paddle wheels versus screw propellers, and why the former have fallen out of use.  I assume efficiency must be a key factor, but there may be practical reasons as well?  Wwheaton (talk) 01:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I had the same thought. I don't remember where I got my information, but I remember hearing/reading that since paddles can run very near the surface, they're good for shallow water, or water with high snags. It looks like a paddle wheel could put up with a fair amount of damage that a propeller could not. The paddle technology goes back 1500 years; it's hard to tell from the Wiki article on propellers but it appears as propeller technology was primitive in the 1850s. The technology is much more complicated. The disadvantages? Paddle boats with side wheels become inefficient in rough water, in extreme situations, to the point of being useless. They all loft a fair amount of water quite a distance, and all of that energy is lost to propulsion. The ones with variable blades to improve angle of attack and release are a lot more technically complicated (as in: can't be built all out of wood planks). Take all that for what it's worth. We need references. Leptus Froggi (talk) 08:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Another thought. If a ship leans side to side (yaw?) it would follow that one wheel would go deeper, the other shallower, maybe even out of the water. Wouldn't the extra force on one side turn the vessel in the opposite direction, similar to a Caterpillar tractor? Even if it happens too quickly to actually turn the ship, how about stresses to the ship along the axle line of the wheels? No ref, just reasoning. Sammy D III (talk) 17:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Roll. Paddlesteamers are so broad in the beam that they roll much less than screw-driven ships. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advantages and disadvantages 

message: There is a reference to a "Arcynic Steamwheeler", but a google search comes up with references back to this page. Has anyone heard of this, or is there a link somewhere? Should this sentence be deleted? Karanne (talk) 18:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arcynic Steamwheeler 

message: This might be the dominant form of paddlewheeler used in the United States (in Mark Twain's heyday), but shouldn't the general article include paddlewheel-driven ships using other forms of propulsion? Let's give this article a more general title. --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: As for this action, here is the permanent link: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 72#Robert K. G. Temple on Chinese and world history Gun Powder Ma (talk) 11:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section template 

message: The statement "Consequently no recent (since 1947) paddle wheel steamers have been laid down and there are only a few original paddle steamers remaining in existence, and those that do are mainly preserved for tourists or as museums." is incorrect, and interesting as the accompanying photo is of the str. NATCHEZ, a boat which was designed in the early 1970s and launched in 1975. There are a handful of other modern examples, namely the Julia Bell Swain built in 1971, the Missisppi Queen built in 1975, and the American Queen completed in 1994.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.1.134.173 (talk) 06:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing this out. That paragraph also made unwarranted, uncited OR statements about there being no good reason to use steam technology now. I removed it. 98.210.208.107 (talk) 15:51, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect Information

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message: I would like the website http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk to be considered as a link to the paddle steamers page. This website is that of a leading maritime heritage registred charity with a specific interest in paddle steamers
90.210.128.249 (talk) 07:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paddle Steamer - Link to Website 

message: A new river cruise ship was built in 2010 in Russia named the Sura (after the Sura River). She is propelled by two stern mounted paddle wheels which is said to have the advantage of a very low draft. The same wheels are used for steering. The shipyard that built it also states several more paddle wheelers are to be built.
 
I think that must be noted in the article.
DL24 (talk) 12:17, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sura 

message: two paragraphs about the Mississippi have been added to History/Western world. This could be expanded, but would seem out of proportion to rest of section.Sammy D III (talk) 03:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:   two Mississippi paragraphs 

message: I think there should be an explanation of how the feathering mechanism works, ideally with a picture (animated?). I don't know enough about how it works to add this myself. --Roly (talk) 06:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Commons has some images under  that might make it clearer. There have been several designs, but all broadly similar.  Each paddle blade is hinged and controlled by a rod from the centre. These rods are linked to an eccentric. As the wheel rotates and the eccentric doesn't, the rods are pushed and pulled, in phase around the wheel. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Andy. I've added a short description and your diagram to the article. --Roly (talk) 11:55, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feathering mechanism 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: How fast were early paddle  steamers compared to the sailships they replaced?
Presumably a combination of sail and steam was faster still? Crawiki (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed? 

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