Talk:Gene Savoy

message: This article is full of questionable assertions, giving to Mr. Savoy an air of respectability and a degree of credit that seems to me is not deserved.  For example, Bingham was at Vilcabamba in 1911, and reported about it.  We need to clean up this article. Kdammers 03:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fluff job 

message: This article is full of questionable assertions, giving to Mr. Savoy an air of respectability and a degree of credit that seems to me is not deserved.  For example, Bingham was at Vilcabamba in 1911, and reported about it.  We need to clean up this article.  Also, since it reads a lot like the Time obit, I wonder if it is cribbed from the People article mentioned in the former magazine?  (I don't have access to the latter rag.) Kdammers 03:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fluff job 

message: The previous comment is inflammatory as is much of the text of the original article. Gene Savoy was a public figure with a documented history. Suppositions about his character are out-of-place here. Stick to the facts and give references. Unattributed opinions are also out-of-place here. I will be working on a rewrite with appropriate references and photographs.  owlsplace 21:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor Style 

message: "Savoy was credited with finding four of Peru's most important archaeological sites, including Vilcabamba, the last refuge for the Incas before the Spanish conquistadors took over." Credited by whom?  The wik article on Vilc. credits Savoy with the identification  (and successful spreading of this) of the Vilc. site as Vilc. itself, but not with the actual discovery. Kdammers (talk) 09:46, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  unverified and  probably false statement 

message: User Kdammers seems to have some nits to pick for whatever reason. Since I lived and worked with Savoy for 30+ years I think I can manage to solve any questions that might arise, with references. 
--owlsplace 03:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting ready for a major rewrite of this article 

message: In the interest of developing this article towards something like a feature article, I would like to provide here a complete list of the books by Gene Savoy, who was, after all, an author. The list to be used appears in the edit to this page dated 19 October 2009, which was undone. Rather than the bare bones list that now appears in the article, or the one that appears in my edit, I would like to provide full bibliographic information on each text. Since all religious books by Gene Savoy have a single publisher, I thought it best to note the publisher at the top rather than repeat it twenty times below. If there is a better method, please let me know. Please discuss. --RGP (talk) 19:42, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BIOGRAPHY might be a good place to seek some help on these issues. --Ronz (talk) 19:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books by Gene Savoy 

message: To provide further information on Gene Savoy from sources that probably cannot be used as references within this article even if it were to be well-developed, I would like to make a section of "Other Sources" that lists or links to books on the subject, to feature-length films and videos, and to YouTube videos. The list appears on my edit dated 19 October 2009, which was undone. Please discuss. --RGP (talk) 19:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A list on this talk page of potential references would be helpful. --Ronz (talk) 22:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is what I had in mind. Would this list be better under a title like "Further Information" or "Further Reading"? How about putting "External Links" as a sub-section here as well? -- RGP (talk) 18:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Sources on Gene Savoy 

message: ; Print Media
* Gene Savoy: Feature Articles
*Discovery of Lost Worlds (American Heritage Publishing, 1979)
*Forgotten Vilcabamba: Final Stronghold of the Incas, Vincent R. Lee (Sixpac Manco Publications, 2000)
*The Lost City of Pajaten (American Heritage Publishing, 1967)
*Marcahuasi – Kuźnia Bogów, Roman Warszewski (Dom Wydawniczy Bellona, Warszawa, 2000)
*Terres vierges mondes interdits, le grand livre des explorateurs; selection du Reader’s Digest (1973)
*The White Rock—An Exploration of the Inca Heartland (Overlook Press, 2003)
; Video and Film Documentaries
*The Gran Vilaya Expeditions (Andean Explorers Foundation & Ocean Sailing Club, 1996)
*Lost City in the Clouds (Discovery Channel, 2001)
*Lost City of the Andes (KGO-TV ABC, 1987)
*Royal Roads to Discovery (Andean Explorers Foundation & Ocean Sailing Club, 1993)
*Secrets of the Cloud People (BBC-QED, 1998)
*Trail of the Feathered Serpent (CBS Charles Kuralt Adventure, 1970) 
-- RGP (talk) 23:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Sources 

message: I would like to add two new links to this article. Both are to YouTube and both have biographical value, it seems to me. One link is a long and biograpically detailed eulogy. The other is to comments by various religious leaders on Gene Savoy's work, both as a religious leader and as an explorer. Here they are. Let me know what you think:
*  YouTube - Gene Savoy Eulogy, Part 1 of 5
*  YouTube - Gene Savoy Remembered, Part 1 of 6
-- RGP (talk) 18:40, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional external links 

message: While working on an expansion of this article (you can see the work in progress in the sandbox on my user page), it has become clear to me that there are great advantages to changing the reference format from what it is now to shortened footnotes. Any problem with this? -- RGP (talk) 22:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you explain or provide a link to an example or discussion? --Ronz (talk) 03:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The example provided in the guidelines on citations is the article on "Augustus." I am working up a revision of the "Gene Savoy" article on my user page and have used it there. Please take a look and give your comments. It is extremely neat and useful when there are multiple references from the same source. -- RGP (talk) 21:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  You mean splitting the notes from the references themselves.  It's very useful when there are many citations to the same references.  Hard to maintain though, unless there are some tools to help (which I'm not aware). --Ronz (talk) 22:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing Reference Format