Talk:Slaad

message: The article contains the following weasel wording:
# "Slaadi have a social caste generally believed to be based on the color of a slaad's scales, though other sources seem to indicate stones lodged in their foreheads".
# "Slaadi, along with modrons and rilmani, are considered 'cordians,' the planeborne of the morally neutral planes".
These sentences should be deleted in my view. --Gavin Collins (talk) 11:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Weasel Words

message: *Bonny, Edward. "The Dragon's Bestiary: Lords of Chaos." Dragon #221 (TSR, 1995).
*Christian, Deborah, et al. Tales of the Outer Planes. Lake Geneva, WI: TSR, 1988.
*Collins, Andy, and Bruce R. Cordell. Libris Mortis. Renton, WA: Wizards of the Coast, 2004.
*Cook, Monte. Tales From the Infinite Staircase. Renton, WA: Wizards of the Coast, 1998.
*Grubb, Jeff. Manual of the Planes (TSR, 1987).
*Grubb, Jeff, Bruce R Cordell, and David Noonan. Manual of the Planes (Wizards of the Coast, 2001).
*Turnbull, Don, ed. Fiend Folio (TSR, 1981).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Webwarlock (talk • contribs) 21:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Refs from Ygorl

message: The article states that the Slaadi were originally published in a "Fiend Factory" article in White Dwarf. However, the reference cited does not state this. In the interview in the reference, Charles Stross states that he was asked to publish the Githyanki in White Dwarf, which they were, in White Dwarf #12 (April/May 1979). Nowhere does he state that he published the Slaadi in White Dwarf, and in fact, he did not. I have reviewed every Fiend Factory article published prior to the publication of the 1981 Fiend Folio, and cannot find an entry for Slaad. Nor are they listed in a compiled index of "Fiend Factory" monsters. I don't have a source to conclusively say that the Fiend Folio is where they were first published, but at the very least there is no evidence that they were ever published in a "Fiend Factory" column or elsewhere in White Dwarf, citation notwithstanding. -- Knag (talk) 03:43, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If you actually re-read what you removed, you'll see that nowhere in that line does it say that the slaad were published in White Dwarf or the Fiend Factory column, just that he wrote them for the column. Many monsters were written for the column but never published in the magazine; many of these made it into the Fiend Folio, the slaad included. It might be a good idea to add the line back, with a note that the creatures were not actually published until the Fiend Folio. 2600:1700:E820:1BA0:7C2A:7EA5:972F:1F79 (talk) 05:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: But is that true? Did he submit it to White Dwarf? The reference doesn't verify that claim. I think it's likely that's the case, but I don't have any source which supports the author submitting Slaad to White Dwarf. Some monsters in Fiend Folio did not come from Fiend Factory submissions, such as those that came from TSR modules (e.g. Drow). Knag (talk) 14:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The handful of Gary Gygax-created monsters like the Drow, Lolth, etc, were exceptions to the rule. 8.37.179.254 (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Publication in ''White Dwarf''