Talk:Judaism by country

message: This page was created using the same program that I wrote to create initially Islam by country, and later Hinduism by country,
Buddhism by country, Roman Catholics by country, with the only modification that countries that do not have percentage of Jews available are not printed  (though all countries are used in calculation, i.e. total population of the world and region) OneGuy 15:18, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Creation

message: I noticed a discrepancy between Jewish population and this in North Africa. The percentage of Jews for North Africa there is 0.1 but I have 2.089% (last column). The reason apparently is Jews in Morocco that I have 1%. I got that from 
http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/nationprofiles/Morocco/rbodies.html
But checking the State Department site , that is not correct. They have 5,000 Jews in Morocco, about 0.016% OneGuy 22:32, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: discrepancy

message: I like this data, but I do think it would be better to have a single article.  Jmabel did a lot of work on historical data on that article, and it would be great to merge your work with his.  I could take a crack at it, but I want to make sure this is okay with you.
Your thoughts? --Goodoldpolonius2 22:50, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead. I don't have a problem with that, but first I wanted to make sure that all these percentages for countries from which the rest of the calculations for regions are done are correct OneGuy 22:57, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Like right now there is a major discrepancy between South America between this page compared to that page. Why is that?  The table for regions are created automatically from the percentage for country in the first table. Which country in the first table has incorrect percentage? OneGuy 23:08, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect to Jewish populations?

message: According to State Department 2004 report , Jewish population of Argentina is 1%. That means just Argentina has more Jews than the total Jews listed for South America on Jewish population page. That can't be right. That's a mistake on that page, obviously OneGuy 23:29, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Recent estimates I've seen for the Argentinian Jewish population consistently list it 250,000 or under. See, for example, this , or the World Jewish Population Survey of 2002, which lists it at 195,000 .  I suspect the number you have used is much too high. Jayjg  | (Talk)</sup> 01:51, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistake on [[Jewish population]]?

message: I think I am done here (unless someone points to some error in the percentage of a country). The source for Jewish population page is  
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/concepts/demography/demtables.html
I changed the percentages calculated from that data unless that page conflicted with the US State Department 2004 report, which is more up-to-date. Argentina is one example. Here are a few other examples:
jafi.org has 5,500 Jews in Moldova (no source given on that page for that), but according to the State Department
 
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/40258.htm
: According to the most recently available numbers, the Jewish community has approximately 31,300 members, including approximately 20,000 living in Chisinau; 3,100 in Balti and surrounding areas; 2,200 in Tiraspol; 2,000 in Benderi; and 4,000 in small towns. 
Belgium 31,400 Jews on jafi.org (their accuracy table has "1987" -- is that the source date?). According to the State Department
: According to the 2001 Survey and Study of Religion ... Jewish population is estimated at between 45,000 and 55,000
Panama  5,000 (1990 on jafi.org). On the State Department:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35549.htm
: According to a 1998 nationwide survey conducted by the Comptroller General's Office of Statistics and Census... Jewish and Muslim communities, each with about 10,000 members;  OneGuy 09:30, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Done

message: Brazil had 86 825 Jews in 2000 according to that 2000 census:
 (Obs: Judaica = Judaism) PMLF 21:55, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And the population in 2000 on that page is 169,872,856 which means about 0.051%, and I have here 0.06%. Not a big difference. In any case, I will change it to 0.051 OneGuy 22:16, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazil 

message: There are at least 15,000-25,000 Jews (Falasha) in Ethiopia waiting to immigrate to Israel. See  (unsigned)
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I got Ethiopia from
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/concepts/demography/demtables.html
I can change my file to (15,000 + 25,000) / 2.  All calculations and printing (including fixing the region %) are done by the program I wrote, so it's simple to change anything :)) OneGuy 23:02, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They may not have counted the Falasha - you probably should make it at least 15-25k. --Goodoldpolonius2 00:18, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethiopia

message: I noticed someone changed the links to Jews in Bolivia format. This causes a little problem! I will have to rewrite the printing method for these countries. I am just going to create a redirects from Jews in Bolivia, etc to History of the Jews in Latin America ... (until there is a separate article on Bolivia or something OneGuy 23:25, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, sorry, link should be African Jew.  You are right about South Africa, see the article for full info. --Goodoldpolonius2 00:16, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Um, the Jews of South Africa are still African, regarless of the amount of melanin in their skin. Jayjg  | (Talk)</sup> 01:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Jew

message: Jayjg gave two sites jafi.org (C 1990) and jewishvirtuallibrary.org (jewishvirtuallibrary doesn't cite the source), but they probably got that number from Ash, Russell. The Top 10 of Everything 1997; pg. 160-161 . He also has 250,000 Jews in Argentina (just a speculation since jewishvirtuallibrary has exact same number for Argentina). 
A number of other sources conflict that, 
CIA factbook  
:nominally Roman Catholic 92% (less than 20% practicing), Protestant 2%, Jewish 2%, other 4%
However, I found a few errors in CIA factbook (older data usually) compared to the State Department reports that were more up to date and accurate. For Argentina the State Department has  
:In April 2001, statistics provided by nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) to the U.N. Commission on Human Rights Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion or Belief indicated the following estimated membership in religious communities, which does not necessarily signify the practice of the religion: Catholics--88 percent of the population; Protestants–-7 percent; Muslims-–1.5 percent; Jews-–1 percent; others–-2.5 percent.
That's what I used 1%. That's the most authoritative source in this case. OneGuy 07:45, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Argentina

message: Since Jayjg gave me the link to jewishvirtuallibrary, I couldn't resist comparing this page to that one.
Most are minor differences (not counting Argentina) except a few. 
For Azerbaijan, they have 30,000 Jews. But according to official government census 
http://www.azstat.org/publications/yearbook/2002/en/002_5.shtml
There are 8,900 Jews in Azerbaijan.
They also have way bigger number for Ukraine 400,000, but during the 2001 census, the Jewish population was "estimated at 103,600, although some foreign observers estimate it at 300,000" .  
They have 60,000 Jews for Germany, but this might be underestimate. Jewish population in Germany is apparently growing. "Jewish congregations have approximately 87,500 members and make up 0.l percent of the population. According to press reports, the country's Jewish population is growing rapidly; more than 100,000 Jews from the former Soviet Union have come to the country since 1990, with smaller numbers arriving from other countries as well."  
They have 14,000 Jews for Spain. much lower than "reports that there are 40-50,000 resident Jews." 
They have only 500 Jews for Ethiopia.
They have 15,000 Jews for Kazakhstan, contradicted by "6,800 according to the 1999 census and 4,500 in 2002"  
They have 8,000 Jews in Poland. The number I have 3,500 (taken from jafi.org) is apparently also incorrect compared to the official government census:
:According to the 2003 Annual Statistical Yearbook of Poland... the actual number of Jewish persons in the country is estimated at between 20,000 and 30,000, while the formal membership of the Union of Jewish Communities totals only 2,500 
I changed Poland to 25,000. OneGuy 10:34, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The estimated strength of world Jewry today is little more than 13 million. 
Since they so nicely posted Jewish population of each country, it was easy to cut and past their list and write a small code to parse and add the numbers that they have. They add up to 14,265,985. That's not "little more than 13 million." Maybe someone should inform them to correct this error OneGuy 03:59, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison

message: Unlike other religious tables, in this case sorting by percentage in Top 50 section is useless. Clearly Israel is first, the US second, and all the rest have 1% or less. I removed that part. This also provides space to move  template to that section (currently it's disfiguring the first table). OneGuy 13:58, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed sorting by percentage

message: The source for this was: "during this recent renaissance, Cuba’s Jewish population has more than doubled, from about 700 in 1991 to 1,500 today [2003]"  OneGuy 09:20, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuba

message: I only had to add one line: out.println (" " +  country.relPop / totalRelig(ar) * 100  + " "); to add this new "% total" column, but I am not sure if it's the right idea. Two problems (1) too much info in the table (2) more importantly, all these percentages will have to be changed in this and the similar column in "By region" tables if someone changes the Jewish population of just one country. This means these tables cannot be maintained (at least not that accurately) without the help of some kind of computer program, like I wrote to do this. Any opinion before I add this column to other religious pages? OneGuy 09:11, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure the % total is helpful; I found it confusing. Jayjg  | (Talk) 16:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Too much stuff to maintain?

message: I suggest to add one more column to the country-sorted table from the Lists of Jews by country: all things will be in one place. On the other hand, I may understand the desire to keep the "list of lists" separate, as a purely navigational tool. mikka (t) 03:36, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Mikka on this one. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:48, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  personally, I think both pages should be merged.  They just have to be organized properly and we still could have a seperate page on stats only, but at least include it with the main page Evil Deep Blue 03:07, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. The current title gives the impression that this article wants to inform the reader about how Jewish religious practices may differ or be similar in various parts of the world. A much more logical title would be "Jews by country" or, better yet, "List of Jewish populations by country". //Big Adamsky 10:41, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: The country Malta seems to be missing; I'm pretty sure there are a fair number of Jews there. --maru  (talk) contribs 17:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or at least so Christopher Marlowe would have us believe. But I'm sure there are some. - Jmabel | Talk 03:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing 

message: All jews are not followers of judaism some are simply jews by birth and don't follow judaism. most of the statistics suggest that approx half of the jews don't follow judaism. If statistics are taken to identify the religion by self-identification half won't give judaism as an answer.
So isn't it better to give statistics of jews different then statistics of judaism. Please see article Who is a Jew? for more details. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.128.5.7 (talk • contribs) 30 Jan 2006.
: I don't see how this is important, but Jews and Judaism surely prefer to be written with capital J. ←Humus sapiens ну? 05:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added a sentence "These numbers are for Jews as an ethnicity; many, but not all, practice the religion of Judaism." I think that addresses the concern, which seems legitimate to me since the word "Jew" is ambiguous in this respect. - Jmabel | Talk 17:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between Judaism and Jews should be mentioned 

message: Hello Wikipedians.  Based on talk discussions and merge templates, I was bold and shuffled a ton of content tonight.  In summary:
*I moved all historical population data (particularly from Jewish population) to Jews by country/Historical comparison and then renamed that article Historical Jewish population comparisons.
*I merged all current population data from Jews by country to Jewish population.
*I repurposed Jews by country to house a table that offers links to articles about current Jews in a country, the history of Jews in that country, and the "List of Jews" of that country.
*I redirected Lists of Jews by country to Jews by country.
*I added a "Total population" section to Jewish population.
I tried to move all the references properly, but please feel free to check things over.  Several of the tables need to be converted into Wiki syntax, and I will try to get to that.
I am cross-posting this message to:
*Talk:Jews by country
*Talk:Jewish population
*Talk:Historical Jewish population comparisons
*Talk:Lists of Jews by country
Thanks! — Reinyday, 08:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major overhaul (moves, merges, renames, and additions)

message: I just wanted to clarify that each country that has an article linked is specifically mentioned in that article.  For example, people in the United States Virgin Islands appear on the List of Caribbean Jews.  However, people in the British Virgin Islands do not appear on the List of Caribbean Jews.  So even though the British Virgin Islands are in the Caribbean, the British Virgin Islands do not appear in the table because they are not mentioned in any Jewish-specific article.  I hope that helps! — Reinyday, 08:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What countries are included 

message: Anyone else feel the name "[Wikipedia:?]Articles on Jews and Judaism by country" or the like might be more apt for this page...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 11:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: Those who are interested in the debate about keeping or not this template may comment at Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_July_27#.5B.5BTemplate:Country_table.5D.5D. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 09:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template:Country table

message: These two countries are part of the United Kingdom they should be removed or England and Northern Ireland should be included and United Kingdom Removed.109.154.26.121 (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wales and Scotland 

message: I have removed this article from :Category:Judaism by country as that is a container category which should not contain individual articles, and the article is mentioned in the category lead as the "The main article for this category". Dunarc (talk) 21:52, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: I really need to know 96.43.161.170 (talk) 22:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  how much caribbean countries believe in judaism