Talk:Shredder (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)

message: I remember from the 1980s cartoon series and the video games and movies that followed, Shredder was always just Shredder. "The Shredder" sounds very odd to my ears, too. Almost everyone who remembers the series and looks it up on Wikipedia is going to know him as "Shredder" and not "The Shredder," at least in the United States.--NeantHumain 01:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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message: *Alegedly in one 1980's epsiode Shredder calims to have only 2 great desires: conquering the world and becoming a great writer.
**Whether or not he said it, it's a rather irrelevant piece of trivia. -- Ritchy 15:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shredder actually said ???

message: Someone add info on Pimiko. --HanzoHattori 14:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mirage daughter 

message: Can anyone explain how the Shredder is a mass murderer
:Although it is implied that he killed a lot of people, to my knowledge he is never shown doing so, and is never explicitly called a mass murderer. It's OR to categorize him as such. I'll remove it. -- Ritchy 20:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For exactly the same reason, I'll remove "Fictional mobsters", "Fictional serial killers", "Fictional dictators", "Fictional arsonists", "Fictional terrorists", and "Fictional businesspeople". -- Ritchy 20:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I have no idea who Iago is, nor am I particularly interested in the edit debates (if any) on that page. The edits on Iago do not set the official policy of Wikipedia. This, however, does. -- Ritchy 01:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Except that he is not "quite obviously" any of those things. He's not a businessman at all. He's not a dictator since he never ruled a country (aside for one or two inconsequential "it was just a dream" episodes like Shredderville). He's not a mass-murderer as he's never shown or mentioned to kill anyone, except Hamato Yoshi in some franchises (and even so, one kill doesn't make someone a mass murderer). He's not a mob boss. He's not a terrorist, as he doesn't push a social/political agenda using terror. So unless you can come up with a better argument than "it's obvious", those categories all stay off the page. -- Ritchy 22:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Hum, that is a good point. I'll re-add the mass-murderer category. -- Ritchy 00:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  mass murderer? 

message: While I understand that both Oroku Sakis' (the ones in TMNT 2003, I mean) stories are linked, they are still two different characters.  As such, I believe separate their entry should be separated into two individual sub-entries (as I believe was the case before).  Anybody agree or disagree?
Ian (65.218.145.144 09:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Shredder: Separating the Utrom from the demon 

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message: Could anyone upload a high-quality DVD caption/picture of Super Shredder? Please.(JoeLoeb (talk) 07:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of Super Shredder? 

message: "Shredder also wears black tights like he's a woman."
Is this here for a reason?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.252.199 (talk) 01:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Shredder's Womanly Pants 

message: Okay.  This article has sections that are vastly overly detailed, needs more references, has poor organization, and I'm almost certain that list of appearances in the 2003 cartoon is overly focused and unnecessary.  I'm gonna be bold and do what I can to shape this article up.  --Onore Baka Sama (talk) 00:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article needs lots of work

message: I am shocked that isn't a picture of Shredder from the 2003 cartoon in his armour. This, for me, is the most recognisable version of the character and is quite different to the original version of the character, so should be included. I expected to see this version as the main picture (but that is just because I grew up with the modern version of the character).  How about we have the picture at the following address [www.freewebs.com/naruto-tmnt-fan/shredder_02.jpg] Buddenon (talk) 17:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn´t be the main picture, since that version was heavily altered.77.11.174.184 (talk) 15:36, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Necessary Picture 

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message: The article cites the name "Oroku Saki, Japanese: 小禄 咲". Has this ever been stated by an official source? It sounds to me like a case of, and I've found this to be very common on online wikis, someone who does not understand Japanese seeing words purported to be Japanese, looking them up in a bad online dictionary, and inserting the first results they could find. It seems to have been an unsourced edit by an IP user whose geolocation data places them in the US with no citations. Searching for "小禄咲" seems to only yield results from this article, and people that are getting it from this article to begin with.
I'm Japanese and the name sounds absolutely nonsensical: 
・The surname 小禄/Oroku is not a traditional Japanese name but a Ryukyuan onehttps://myoji-yurai.net/searchResult.htm?myojiKanji=%E5%B0%8F%E7%A6%84, and not a particularly common one at that (the census has it at 880 people in a country with a population of 125 million)
・咲/Saki is a real given name, the problem here is that it's a woman's name.
One might argue that the name is in a western order, meaning that Saki is the surname (it would have to be written completely differently if so), which would leave him with Oroku as the given name. In such a case, that would mean that he has the given name of an old woman.
From my perspective, which I'm sure most Japanese would share, it seems that the writers just came up with random Oriental-sounding syllables and tried to pass it off as a Japanese name. This is a very common occurence in western media, and has racist undertones in how it approaches foreign names with a disrespectful level of dismissiveness - These people do not bother with the minimal amount of effort needed to come up with an authentic name, choosing to instead use a load of nonsense they made up. Claiming that such a nonsensical name is a real Japanese name is akin to an attempt at legitimizing such racism, which is pretty offensive. (The fact that the name could theoretically exist in Japan for a woman of Ryukyuan heritage is purely coincidental.)
I left the citation needed tag up for some time and nobody has added a reference so I'm removing the name.109.236.4.20 (talk) 14:05, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that for this reason Japanese translations name Shredder "Sawaki Oroku" or informally サワキちゃん (Sawaki-chan). I can find a number of Japanese-language news articles that refer to Shredder this way. While I'm sure the change has to do with the original feminine name of Saki being inappropriate, I can't find any secondary sources that explicitly state that. --Elephanthunter (talk) 16:35, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the "Japanese" name