Talk:Avital Ronell

message: This Wiki reads like it was written by a fawning grad student. Ronell deserves a biography, but she is a very minor figure and her Wiki does not warrant this kind of length/biased treatment. It's absurdly padded.Garthhudson (talk)Garthhudson
Thanks for creating the article, but where does the term "black lady" come from? It seems to mentioned only on a few webistes, and they refer to this page? Please provide reference...Goodlucca 18:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to originate from here, where "black lady of deconstruction" is quoted, although the page does not list a reference for the quote. A Google search for "black lady" and "avital ronell" returns lots of Wikipedia mirrors, and sites that reference Wikipedia, but nothing else. Avital Ronell is not black.  I do not know if she is a lady. I have never heard the term "black lady" before except in the literal sense; perhaps the people at egs.edu meant "black sheep", or perhaps it is a very specialised term. A Google search for "black lady" and "deconstruction" is not helpful. -Ashley Pomeroy 19:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments. I suppose we will now have to open the discussion again on whether the EGS faculty pages or communications are considered appropriate wiki resources, which increasingly it seems to be.  Of course the Beitberl page here  also lists the statement, but again in the exact same phrase. There are of course also individuals referencing her as such: “i have a sort of crush on writer/philosopher black lady of deconstruction avital ronell….”   But the origin and meaning of the term is not clear although it is obviously in use by those she knows. Whether it is beneficial in this page is questionable. I will try to do some research around this…some comments would be welcome.Goodlucca 09:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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message: Entirely unbalanced hero worship. Nicmart (talk) 21:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you suggest some good sources that represent a significant point of view missing from this entry? Thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the tone of the article is too hagiographic. Although I feel the solution is to reduce the amount of POV text and overblown language in the article, rather than add new text as an attempt at false balance. Ashmoo (talk) 09:40, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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message: After thinking it over, I would suggest adding the following sentence to the end of the lead:
:"Ronell was suspended from New York University for the 2018-19 school year for sexual harassment of a graduate student."
Yea, nay, other? Innisfree987 (talk) 05:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: ADD But usage seems to be inconsistent. I looked at half a dozen wiki articles about academics charged with sexual harassment, and some mention the issue in the intro and some don't. I'd suggest that the cut-off maybe should be whether there was a finding and a sanction, rather than just an allegation, and in this case would vote for including it in the intro. This source says the suspension is without pay, and that the investigation lasted eleven months. Rider1819 (talk) 16:23, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

text: ADD Considering the fact that the article has a subsection dedicated to the topic, that the investigation, conclusions, and sanction have had a direct and documented impact on her biography, and that it has received significant attention across a broad spectrum of both print and digital media, including a full-length article in the New York Times, it is conspicuously absent from the lead. --Depuffer (talk) 19:25, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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