Talk:Lost (2004 TV series)/Archive 4

message: I'm unsure of who should be added to the cast at this point. The fourteen mains must stay obviously, but what about characters who have been added to the official cast list but haven't appeared? I say this because I deleted Desmond from the list because he was credited as a guest, but someone pointed out that Michelle Rodriguez is the same. I could say that she's been added as a cast member by the producers, but then we'd have to add the other two actors (can't remember their names). What does everyone else think about this? 15:04, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As an addition to my above statement, I do want to note that Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Cynthia Watros DO have star billing as of "Everybody Hates Hugo". They have not had such billing all season so far, however. Of the 3 new major players, only Michelle Rodriguez has had that. For now, I'd wait to see how their characters develop, and especially if they get flashback episodes, before adding them. Baryonyx 22:05, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast

message: Does anyone know the name of the song playing on the record player in the first episode of season two? -Litefantastic 23:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Mama" Cass Elliot, "Make Your Own Kind of Music" --Patrick T. Wynne 23:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Song

message: Today someone added a "tagline" for the show, using "They're looking for us in the wrong place." Nowhere have I seen Lost have an official tagline. One would think, if it did, there were be one listed on the IMDB page under the Promotional\Taglines section, which there is not. There's not one on the official site, there's not one on The Fuselage. This is not like Desperate Housewives, which has used the "Everyone has a little dirty laundry" tag since its earliest promos. Moreover, if Lost did have a tagline, it would be much closer to the oft-repeated Charlie line from Pilot, Part 2: "Guys, where are we?" However, that is not official either. Any taglines posted should be removed. Baryonyx 19:00, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything at this point is a tagline, it's "Everything happens for a reason," but I agree, the show doesn't have a tagline and so the article should also avoid it. KramarDanIkabu 19:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

text: The only such "tag line" I've seen is "The Island is waiting" which was used on the Lost Season 2 teaser site, and is the code to access the "script page" on OceanicFlight815.com; however, I don't recall if that was used in any televised advertising LeFlyman 19:35, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagline

message: Wow, this article used to be loaded with all kinds of great and interesting material, but it has been slashed and hacked away to nothing! I was coming back to get the link to send to a fellow fan of the show, but there's hardly anything left to recommend the article to anyone! Whose idea was it to shred what was once here, the rich and detailed exploration of the Lost plot? Sad. I just randomly grabbed a page from summer that contains some of the good stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lost_(TV_series)&oldid=14620983
Some of this should be restored.
::I've just read through some of the archived discussions. It looks like a small faction has gained control over this article and have bent it to their will. As a result, it is now devoid of interesting and useful information. I would encourage fans to look to the saved historical copies of the article if they want to read the good stuff that has been purged. And now that Lost Season 2 has started up, maybe this article will attract some new editors who can make the article interesting again.
:If by 'great and interesting material' you are referring to rumors, speculation, and original research then yes, this page was 'slashed and hacked'. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. I'm sorry, but there are dozens of websites out there to suit your needs. If the information you seek is not here, perhaps it is at an associated article see see also. If you believe this article lacks vital encyclopedic information that may have been removed or has been overlooked, by all means contribute and add it. K1Bond007 03:22, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I liked the information too but it was mostly cruft! Not to mention the amount of fansites there are out there. I can guarantee that any information that was in that article can be found somewhere else. 14:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I suppose if you think it'll help, but thats kind of the point to archiving the discussion instead of deleting it. Maybe we archived too soon. Do what you think is necessary. K1Bond007 20:27, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Now I'm wishing that someone will help slash & burn the ridiculously detailed and speculative episode summaries at Episodes of Lost (Season 2), with lines like "It is unclear at this point in the series as to whether Charlie took the statue from the plane wreckage because of the heroin inside, or if he removed the heroin and kept the statue for more religious reasons."  I think that all the ep summaries are ridiculously long, and hard to follow because all of the crufty trivia and speculation put in.  --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:02, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I put in a first run on MoS,MoF and will try to tackle Adrift later. I don't normally ever participate on the Episodes pages, so I'm not sure if my take messes with the usual style there, but its at least shorter (I think) and less speculative than before. Baryonyx 00:48, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Done with "Adrift" as well.... I disagree with the re-adding of Walt's warning to Shannon, since there is no way to determine from a viewing of the show what Walt is saying. Decoding Walt's warning strikes me as trivia, but I'm also in no mood to start an edit war over it. Hope these collective edits help out a bit over there. Baryonyx 08:54, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, it's definitely much more readable.  While I don't think a "trivia" section for each episode would be such a bad thing, I worry that it would invite people to add random speculation, so that's not a great thing. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 14:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Slash & Burn!

message: Hi there, 
Can anyone tell me what the "Black Rock" is? I searched Wiki, but with no luck. It was first mentioned when Sayid follows the metal wire from the beach to her hut.
Thanks, 17:50, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a sailing ship that was shipwrecked. See Exodus: Part 1. K1Bond007 19:05, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't think a "white rock" has been mentioned so far.  However, the Black Rock is more than just a sailing ship — it's a slave ship which somehow ended up in the middle of the island.  (Of course, the slave trade was conducted in the Atlantic, which makes the appearance of the Black Rock on a Pacific island even weirder.)  The Black Rock is where the castaways got the dynamite from to blow open the hatch. —Josiah Rowe 02:09, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't know that it was from the Atlantic. Locke hypothesized that they set sail from Mozambique (Eastern coast of Africa) and were on route to a mining colony. So they could easily end up around Australia and Fiji. K1Bond007 03:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I forgot Locke's Mozambique theory.  The Mozambique article here does mention the British exporting "forced labor" to "nearby British colonies and South Africa," but doesn't mention exports to anywhere further afield.  Not so easy to end up in the South Pacific if you're trying to hug the African coast. But I'm far from an expert on the subject; maybe the writers did some research and found something more substantial out.  Or maybe they're pulling it out of their hatches. :) —Josiah Rowe 05:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And maybe the island isn't on Earth and the objects on it were sucked through a wormhole someplace else, or the island is a moving monstrosity of some sort (the producers have said the island has been doing its thing for a very long time now), or... :). Wild theories on the Lost page! :) Just kidding around, since I'm not saying that it's not just a simple island in the South Pacific... I'm still thinking we're on present day (well, a year ago) Earth on Lost, but my core point here is there is so much we don't know, I'll go with suspending my disbelief for now: the producers and writers have a plan, probably know why the Black Rock is where it is, and will tell us eventually, maybe. :) Moreover, since I suspect the answer to this question is very related to the questions of how the plane crashed and what the island is (both very big mysteries that will have an answer), I think we'll find this out. Baryonyx 18:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you're probably right.  I expect (hope?) that the writers have an answer to this that will make sense in the context of the story.  I'm just sayin' that I don't particularly buy the Mozambique story so far, and I'm hoping that the ultimate answer is better than that.  (Of course, this entire discussion isn't particularly germane to the topic of this Wikipedia entry, and probably belongs on some fan forum instead, but what the hey.) :) —Josiah Rowe 20:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Rock

message: Hi, folks. We need to come to some decision on how Kate's name will be referenced in the Lost articles. We currently have her titled as Kate Austin -- yet, nearly all media sources prior to this season listed as "Kate Ryan," including recently published book "The Lost Chronicles: The Official Companion Book." Now, however, a number of places have started listing her as "Kate Austen" (note the "e" in the last name.) Nowhere, except for here, is she "Austin." I brought this up on the talk page for Kate Austin and propose we choose between the "Ryan" or "Austen" designation. LeFlyman 05:25, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisiting Kate's Surname

message: It's impossible for Denmark to have aired Lost Summmer 2004, before the US.
The Syndication section of this article is growing, and is not far off being the largest section of the page! Is it nessecary to list every single country that Lost airs in? --Tomcage9 16:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —Josiah Rowe 04:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syndication 

message: What does the 9/8c mean on the lost webpage ?--193.11.150.240 20:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air time? 

message: An anonymous editor has added the claim that the Dharma Institute's symbol has been seen on wreckage from Flight 815.  Has this been confirmed?  I haven't been following the debate on message boards, but I thought there had been a suggestion that this was somebody's Photoshop creation.  Where exactly is it supposed to have been seen? —Josiah Rowe 16:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a photoshop creation, I have played back the DVD a logo is definetly there - right at the end. --Tomcage9 22:18, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Hmm... seems questionable to me.  Certainly not definite enough to be on the article page. —Josiah Rowe 17:42, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dharma/Bagua symbol