Talk:LGBT rights in Russia

message: On one hand, there is no official prohibition for gay people to serve in the military (I also added a citation by Valery Kulikov, the Major-General of the Medical Service, who confirmed it). On the other hand, military authorities recomment gay people to hide their sexual orientation:
So, some questions arise:
* Can it be called a non-official policy like US's "Don't ask, don't tell"?
* Does it mean that gay people can't serve in the military openly (that's the question in Summary table section)?
These are important questions, because the answers also can and should be used to edit other articles (with tables and lists, like LGBT rights and LGBT rights in Europe — both currently state that gays are allowed to serve openly in Russian military).
--K!r!lleXXI (talk) 16:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you summarized it pretty good here... (officially allowed to serve, but with the issues you mentioned). It doesn't sound like Don't ask, don't tell -- as under DADT, you are just discharged from the military, instead of being beaten up. Wikignome0529 (talk) 18:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Military service issue

message: It seems that someone tried to put content about homosexuality (and same-sex intercourse) being illegal onto this page. Perhaps it should be restricted, so that vandalism is more difficult? Nuke (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homosexuality itself is not banned. 

message: Do we still need the list of regions, maps, etc of the regions bunning it locally? Alex Bakharev (talk) 03:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Federal ban on homosexual propaganda is adopted on 11 June 2013 

message: It previously said:
"Russian laws have sparked a major controversy around the world, leading to an argument over the word propaganda, since homosexuality cannot be taught."
I removed everything after the first comma. It's basically true but not worded in the way it should be. Any talk or materials in favor of any political issue is propaganda, by definition, but that's really a neutral thing, and not what needs to be said here. Someone more skilled than I needs to tackle this if more detail is warranted. 108.16.222.138 (talk) 00:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  controversy bit needs better wording 

message: I think this article contains misinformation: 
1. There is no ban on homosexual propaganda in the Russian Federation.
2. There is a law banning promotion to minors of homosexual relations.
3. This law was signed by the President on 30 June 2013, not 11 June 2013.
Source: http://eng.kremlin.ru/by-keyword/85
--Hors-la-loi 07:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Misinformation?

message: There is a push by numerous IPs for a sentence in the section lead to look like: The laws were at the same time  heavily support and heavily criticized and the gay community commenced a boycott of Russian goods.... Firstly, it is a bad grammar but more importantly it is not supported by the section text that shows numerous examples of international criticism but no examples of international support. I guess if the law was "heavily supported" than it would be easy to find examples of international support. Without those examples the lead with "heavily support" does not make sense. Alex Bakharev (talk) 08:01, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Besides, the assertion: "Lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT) persons in the Russian Federation have faced increasing restrictions of their rights in recent years" is not supported by what follows. Gay parading has been banned, yes, - but, as several commentators noted, heterosexual ‘parades’ would have been banned too. And does the ban on "distribution of ‘propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations’ to minors" amounts to the LGBT 'rights restriction'? - no. Most allegations here have to do with non-recognition (of gay marriages, etc), rather than repression/restriction.  -- Evermore2 (talk) 11:49, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well try to edit the article using reliable secondary source. The problem IMHO is that there is no definition of what "propaganda to minor" means, and so there is reasonable expectation that the law might be interpreted very broadly: any non completely secret manifestation of homosexuality, any vow to tolerance might be interpreted as a propaganda to minors. Theoretically, in the Soviet times criticism of the government was not forbidden, only libel and treason was. But on practice... I will be interesting to see the first precedents of applications of the new law. Madonna was acquitted, if the memory serves me well, who else? Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:16, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  International reactions and boycott 

message: What is everyone else's thought about splitting out recent events into a new article - the 2013 ban on "homosexual propaganda" and the consequent protests, international comments, etc.? Similar to eg. Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill as a separate article from LGBT rights in Uganda. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  splitting? 

message: Paragraph three of the introduction has some problems. I tried to fix these but they were reverted back.
# The phrase “developed democracies around the world” in the first sentence is misleading. The only countries in the citations are Denmark, Germany and Australia.
# Most of the second sentence is wrong. Before the propaganda bill passed the Office said the law might be discriminatory. After it passed they criticized similar Eastern European laws but did not criticize the Russian law directly.
# The European Court of Human Rights fine happened in 2010. So not recent enough to be in the introduction.
Roy X. Bland (talk) 21:13, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exaggerations in the introduction 

message: Article should mention that leaders of several foreign governments have taken the unusual step of announcing they will not be attending the Winter Olympics games in Russia, and that commentators say a major reason for this is the leaders's opposition to the Russian government's treatment of LGBT people and other human rights issues. 95.141.27.43 (talk) 20:34, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign leaders not attending Sochi Winter Olympics 

message: Article should discuss efforts proposed by some Russian leaders to take children of same-sex parents away from their parents.
Also, the law banning adoption of Russian children by citizens of countries that allow same-sex marriage (even if the foreigners who want to adopt Russian children are not LGBT). 95.141.27.43 (talk) 20:40, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrimination against LGBT parents, and in adoption 

message: * Support use of less POV language than "anti-gay law"; while I personally agree the laws in question are "anti-gay" we should be exceptionally careful, even if used colloquially by otherwise RS, about abbreviating statutes to the point of the "anti-X" or the "pro-X" law ... regardless as to how cut and dry it may or may not be here, this is a slippery slope down which we should not descend BlueSalix (talk) 02:08, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: This article is ridicolously one sides.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.57.129 (talk) 06:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: In the section "Homophobia in Russia", the sentence "Public opinion in Russia tends to be among the most hostile toward homosexuality in the world—outside predominantly Muslim countries and some parts of Africa and Asia—and the level of intolerance has been rising." appears not to be backed by the source given at all. Additionally, it is highly misleading. Based on the numbers given in the various sources, it seems that hostility toward homosexuality is slightly lower than average in Russia, and pretty much the only countries less hostile are those in the West, along with Israel, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and South Africa, and China by a slight margin according to some sources, and the Philippines according to some sources. The rest of Africa, the Muslim countries in Asia (minus Lebanon), India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Albania and Burma (combined population approximately 3.6 billion) are more hostile. --Yair rand (talk) 07:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "among the most hostile ... in the world" 

message: removed the 'hate' from hate crime and thriving from LGBT community.  See diff.  The removal of hate was on the grounds of 'hate crime' not being recognized under Russian law.  However, this is irrelevant to the description of the crime, which is a Hate crime.  Thriving is deemed POV.  I disagree on both counts. Jonpatterns (talk) 18:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Some choose to describe some crimes as hate crimes. They are even recognised as such in a few countries. That doesn't mean Wikipedia takes that style guide. 92.16.59.242 (talk) 18:45, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hate crime is the correct term even if Russia does not formerly approve or like it. This is common when minorities are discriminated against. Sportfan5000 (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, I guess Russia hasn't read WP:COMMONNAME. ViperSnake151  Talk   20:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently Russia does recognize hate crime against race, ethnicity and religion but not against sexual orientation. The definition is fairly straight forward "prejudice motivated crime that occurs when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group"Jonpatterns (talk) 10:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of 'hate' (crime) and thriving 

message: English-language press report that Krasovsky was fired from his position as anchor for Kontr TV.
Krasovsky said in an interview with CNN that was broadcast 13 August 2013 that he had been fired:
ANDERSON: And tell me exactly what happened.
KRASOVSKY: After that, I was fired. Right then, right that night, I was fired by (inaudible).
ANDERSON: And any evidence of what you did was entirely deleted from the internet, apparently, right? Am I correct in saying that? As if it had never happened.
KRASOVSKY: Sure. Of course. Of course.
ANDERSON: Who did that, do you think? Was that a Kremlin direction?
KRASOVSKY: Yes, perhaps. Maybe.
The snob.ru article from 6 February 2013 that is being cited to support the claim that Krasovsky resigned (English version here) does not actually show Krasovsky saying that he resigned. What it says is:
Krasovsky: Then they immediately blocked all my corporative accounts, my email. Literally immediately, overnight. They deleted not only my face from the website, but also all of my TV shows, as if I’d never really existed. The next day I wrote to Minaev that I was totally shocked. Because it takes them half a day to put up a banner when I ask them to, and here we had such efficiency. One could say they can when  they want to. Now they’ve put everything back, but you couldn’t say why, really.
Sokolova: Did Sergey Minaev call you?
Krasovsky: No, he didn’t call me. Nobody called me. It was a romance of one short text from the company’s CEO, Sergey Komarov. I am sure that this was the text message not from Komarov, but from Minaev himself. Its meaning was I could come and pack my things on Monday. After that, on Sunday, when all of us had calmed down, sobered up and understood that someone had to do the work, we started to think how to keep a straight face, as if nothing had happened, an how to preserve a status quo.  But I didn’t want to preserve anything. I was offered something that I simply could not accept.
A Russian-language publication (Lenta.ru) in a different February 2013 article said that the TV company CEO, Sergey Komarov, said that Krasovsky had resigned. Komarov said that he had evidence to prove this: he posted a screencap of what he claimed was a tweet or message from Krasovsky that supposedly said Krasovsky could no longer work for such a company.
The tweet and screencap seem to be at 
There are issues of WP:BLP and WP:NPOV involved in how Wikipedia discusses this.
Can someone who speaks Russian translate the messages from Komarov's tweet and screencap?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.141.27.46 (talk) 03:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The screencap shows a message from Krasovsky to Komarov saying "So, I can't work any longer for your network where I don't mean anything. Happy Birthday". The tweet by Komarov says "OK. You say you can't work. Request granted."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 0x60 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  While we're at it, it should be noted that in Russia people are often fired through a fake resignation. There are two factors: firstly, employers here often use recommendation letters from previous employers when hiring, secondly, they are required by law to pay a (large) compensation when they fire someone. Thus, when they want to fire someone, they offer him/her a choice: resign and get a positive recommendation (and we won't have to compensate you) or get fired, get this extra money and a very negative description for your next employer. In situations like this one, the line between resignation and dismissal becomes blurred.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 0x60 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anton Krasovsky - fired or resigned? 

message: In the celebrity section, please add:
As this is less than 1,000 years old and relates to sexuality, it may infringe an ARBCOM restriction in force against my edits.
Thanks --Fæ (talk) 10:26, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related celebrity video 

message: In Russia, a woman just legally married a woman despite the nation's anti-gay laws. They found a legal loophole in the law (pardon my redundancy). One bride is transitioning from male to female and she is still marked as male on her documents. Both women wore bridal dresses. This is definitely a same-gender wedding, whether the sex is the same or not, and is worthy to include in the article somewhere.
Note that if this is put in the article it may in the future the article may need to be revised again because their marriage may be disregarded by the government because various officials are pretty frustrated about it.
For more info on this, see http://jezebel.com/lesbian-couple-pulls-of-first-gay-marriage-in-russia-1656610125 http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/two-women-marry-russia-despite-countrys-anti-gay-laws
98.253.175.243 (talk) 02:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same-gender marriage legally counted (transgender woman and cisgender woman) 

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message: "A 2013 survey found that 84% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society"
The figure should be 74%, no? -- IvanP (talk) 06:27, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentage 

message: Actually, Recently 80% of Russians Opposes Same-Sex Marriage. while 8% Percent Supports.
Good News is that Homophobia is Slowly Declining/Dying out in Russia. :)
Women, Younger People, Non-Religious and residents of Moscow and St.Petersburg are more likley to Support Gay Marriage and LGBT Rights.:)
http://www.wciom.com/index.php?id=61&uid=1129
it's no Longer 85% Opposes and 5% Pro.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.84.136 (talk) 19:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Poll.  

message: Homophobia Begins at Home: Lesbian and Bisexual Women's Experiences of the Parental Household in Urban Russia 
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Discrimination Against LGBT People Triggers Health Concerns
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Russia's Anti-Gay Laws: The Politics and Consequences of a Moral Panic
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Teaching Queer Theory in Russia
Kondakov, Alexander (2016-01-01). "Teaching Queer Theory in Russia". QED: A Journal in GLBTQ Worldmaking. 3 (2): 107–118. ISSN 2327-1590
LGBTQ Oppression and Activism in Russia
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message: Did Stalin and Lenin persecute the gays, lesbians and LGBT under their power since Bolshevik's uprising for communist Soviet Union in the early 20th century? 124.106.137.103 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 01:28, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost past under Stalin and Lenin of LGBT Rights? 

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message: The cited link following this statement does not address it in any way that I saw, and even if it had, it’s 5-6 year old article, hardly anything recent, especially for something as ‘volatile’ as this can be. But I saw no reference to any polling indicating a majority mindset…
To be clear I’m Not disputing if it’s true or not, just simply stating that it has no source to support or deny it. Ramahamalincoln (talk) 12:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for this?-“Russia has long held strongly negative views regarding homosexuality, with recent polls indicating that a majority of Russians are against…” 

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Reference named "star":
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From LGBT history in Russia: 
From LGBT rights in East Timor: Timor Leste PM comes out supporting LGBTI rights GayStarNews
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:LGBT rights in Russia]] 

message: A lot of the sources for these claims are straight up mouthpieces for the US government. Pretty sure they can't be trusted to be a neutral source. Idontknowanythingok (talk) 18:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Proof? SageSolomon (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable sources for claims 

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