Talk:Massimo Busacca

message: The section on Vladislav Vashchuk's sending off is (if not simply biased in its depiction of events) worded inappropriately. "Atrocious" is a judgement call that no neutral encyclopaedia should be making. Johnleemk | Talk 16:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Really, aren't you guys making too much noise about that penalty? It was not decisive, Ukraine was already thrashed, they played poorly and that goal, though dubious, made little more than a +1 in the final count. A mention about it should be made in the article but the way it's written looks like it was WC2006 final match and Ukraine lost because of it! I have seen worse referee calls much more critizised than this, like in WC2002, and not mentioned anywhere in wikipedia, even censored (go see discussion in 2002 match results and see people say the controversy around Korea and its rivals is unfounded) --MABarracus 13:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the World Cup, the world's biggest soccer competition. There is a good deal of national pride involved (I don't know where you're from something similar might not exist in your country with regards to this tournament, for example USA). The penalty was indeed important for several reasons. First, it completely took out Ukraine's chance for a comeback--they played a whole half with 10 men--and they played a slightly better game in the 2nd half, and likely could have scored a goal, especially if they were at full strength. Secondly, Vaschuk is an important defender for Ukraine, and unless this card is challenged with FIFA, Ukraine will be short an important defender in their upcoming match against Saudi Arabia. I'm disagreeing that Ukraine deserved to lose, by a more favorable scoreline would have been attainable had the referee not 'lost his mind' out on the field. In fact, several other calls by the Swiss brigade went against Ukraine. --Palffy 19:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I saw the match and Ukraine played ultra-bad, the 4-0 was fair enough though the referee call was erroneus it wouldn't have affected the outcome in any way, playing like they were doing there was no way they could overcome the 2-0 unless they had some miracle. All I have seen in international press (UK, France, Italy, German..) was total domination by Spain and that Ukraine had absolutely no chance in the whole match. I agree though, Busacca's bad performance should be mentioned in the article but not with so much nationalistic passion as you are clearly getting a Ukrainian POV and that's not Wikipedia standard. As I said before, there have been much worse referee performances in the recent past and not mentioned anywhere. --MABarracus 18:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't this too much? 

message: Is it true that Massican performed urination during the game in Qatari?
It feel that negativity towards this independent fellow is on the high level,
please do not write allegation without nice refferencies. I see only one refferencie
please to explain, this is contravertsie against Massican? Why hate Massican?
When living in pease in the answer you have looking for 212.175.83.249 (talk) 10:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  URINATION UNKNOWN 

message: Judging by the comments above this is not the first time this referee has made atrocious calls. The worst so far must be the red card against South Africa (vs Uruguay) in the 2010 FIFA World Cup. I think any factual encyclopeida can now officially record him as a poor (or very clever and rich) referee.196.23.50.164 (talk) 07:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is blattant nonsense. If he was this bad, he would hardly get to whistle such important matches as the champions league final and several games in world championship final rounds. Do you have any neutral source that states he's bad? (No, any south african news source will not count right now) --PaterMcFly talk contribs 11:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

text: I'll update the text accordingly. I agree that there lacks a citation for "correct". I have read some papers which say so, but these were mostly swiss papers, so they may not be perfectly neutral. There has been harsh criticism by the south african coach, which obviously fails NPOV, too. Unfortunatelly, I couldn't find whether the Fifa publicly unveils their judgement of the work of a referee (it doesn't seem so). So the best way we have to know wheter his work was good, will probably be whether he'll be given another match on this WC. --PaterMcFly talk contribs 06:00, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  He's considered one of the top referee's in the world.  Short of a horrendous error in his next match, he'll be around for the knockout stage and in contention for one of the final four matches probably.  I heard (though not seen) that top USSF (US Soccer) Referees have stated that the call is correct.  FIFA almost never comes out with statements on the match officials...good in my opinion, even if they royally screw up, for they need someone to back them.  This really falls down to one line under Law 5 - The Referee where it states "in the opinion of the refere....."  That clause basiclaly means that unless there is something that can be technically proven to be incorrect with the call, then the decision is correct.  This gives the referees leeway to make the borderline decisions like this.  It was a close call, I agree, but if Busacca says it was an "obvious goal scoring opportunity" (as listed under Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct and as send off offence), then that basically means that the red card has to follow, and nothing can change that. 70.78.21.7 (talk) 05:12, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 FIFA World Cup 

message: Honestly, every article I've read about a referee has unsourced or spuriously sourced material about "dubious", "atrocious", "wrong" etc decisions that has clearly been written by disgruntled fans. This isn't what Wikipedia's for. If you want to moan about refereeing decisions that cost your team, do it on football forums and stop effectively vandalising this site.
It's pathetic and childish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.241.233 (talk) 15:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd reccomend protection or the article until this dies down. 84.92.140.217 (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sick of ref articles being effectively vandalized 

message: The account of the 2009 CL final between Manchester United and Barcelona inaccurately states that United were awarded, and missed, a penalty during this match. The author was presumably thinking of the semi-final leg at the Nou Camp the year before, where Ronaldo missed a penalty after a Milito handball. This should be amended.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.146.128.156 (talk) 12:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  United penalty vs Barcelona 

message: It currently reads "Multiple angles of the infraction showed no physical contact inside the penalty area, preceded by a tug on the pants of Fernando Torres in the penalty area by Vladislav Vaschuk" - to me that says that there *was* physical contact in the penalty ares (the tug), but the sentence starts of saying there was none - which is it? BulbaThor (talk) 11:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukraine vs Spain (again) 

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