Talk:Unparished area

message: how does this look as a format?  i'm pondering recasting it in terms of ceremonial counties of England once i'm done (but then that does have the stockton problem) : perhaps better left as-is?  the scheme ceremonial counties but with cleveland (and possibly avon) has certain merits but i don't want to do that.  Morwen - Talk 15:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it makes sense to use the 1974 counties as that is where they were when they became "unparished". You could put a note under those ones that have changed counties (Avon, Humberside, Hereford & Worcester). You could just list the districts alphabetically, of course, and leave the counties out of it..Lozleader 20:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But the districts have renamed and merged lots - i suppose using the current districts would make sense.  Once I'm all done, I think maybe...  Morwen - Talk 22:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: format?

message: this was generated by taking the list of UDs and boroughs from List of rural and urban districts in England and deleting the entries from the list at successor parishes!  note i am ignoring the 5 split ones (e.g Billinge Chapel End, Lakes)
*Abram 
*Accrington 
*Adwick le Street 
*Aireborough 
*Aldershot 
*Aldridge-Brownhills 
*Alfreton 
*Altrincham 
*Andover 
*Arnold 
*Ashford 
*Ashington 
*Ashton-in-Makerfield 
*Ashton-under-Lyne 
*Aspull 
*Atherton 
*Audenshaw 
*Aylesbury 
*Bacup 
*Baildon 
*Baldock 
*Banbury 
*Banstead 
*Barnoldswick 
*Barrowford 
*Basildon 
*Basingstoke 
*Batley 
*Bebington 
*Bedford 
*Bedlingtonshire 
*Bedworth 
*Beeston and Stapleford 
*Benfleet 
*Bentley with Arksey 
*Berwick-upon-Tweed 
*Beverley 
*Bexhill 
*Billinge-and-Winstanley 
*Bingley 
*Bishop Auckland 
*Blaydon 
*Bletchley 
*Blyth 
*Bognor Regis 
*Boldon 
*Boston 
*Bowdon 
*Braintree and Bocking 
*Bredbury and Romiley 
*Brentwood 
*Bridgwater 
*Bridlington 
*Brierfield 
*Brighouse 
*Bromsgrove 
*Bury St. Edmunds 
*Bushey 
*Buxton 
*Camborne-Redruth 
*Cambridge 
*Cannock 
*Canvey Island 
*Carlton 
*Castleford 
*Caterham and Warlingham 
*Chadderton 
*Charlton Kings 
*Chatham 
*Cheadle and Gatley 
*Chelmsford 
*Cheltenham 
*Chertsey 
*Cheshunt 
*Chesterfield 
*Chester-le-Street 
*Chigwell 
*Chippenham 
*Chorley 
*Christchurch 
*Church 
*Clacton 
*Clayton-le-Moors 
*Cleethorpes 
*Clevedon 
*Coalville 
*Colchester 
*Colne 
*Colne Valley 
*Congleton  (see "Inaccuracies" section, below)
*Conisbrough 
*Consett 
*Corby 
*Cowes 
*Crawley 
*Crewe 
*Crompton 
*Crook and Willington 
*Crosby 
*Cuckfield 
*Cudworth 
*Dalton-in-Furness 
*Darfield 
*Dartford 
*Darton 
*Darwen 
*Daventry 
*Dawley 
*Deal 
*Dearne 
*Denton 
*Dodworth 
*Dorking 
*Dover 
*Driffield 
*Droylsden 
*Dukinfield 
*Dunstable 
*Durham 
*Earby 
*Eastleigh 
*East Retford 
*Eccles 
*Egham 
*Elland 
*Ellesmere Port 
*Epsom and Ewell 
*Esher 
*Exmouth 
*Failsworth 
*Fareham
*Farnborough 
*Farnham 
*Farnworth 
*Felling 
*Fleet 
*Fleetwood 
*Folkestone 
*Formby 
*Frimley and Camberley 
*Fulwood 
*Gainsborough 
*Garforth 
*Gillingham 
*Glossop 
*Golborne 
*Goole 
*Gosforth 
*Gosport 
*Grantham 
*Gravesend 
*Great Harwood 
*Guildford 
*Hale 
*Halesowen 
*Haltemprice 
*Harlow 
*Harrogate 
*Haslingden 
*Havant and Waterloo 
*Haverhill 
*Haydock 
*Hazel Grove and Bramhall 
*Heanor 
*Hebburn 
*Heckmondwike 
*Hemel Hempstead 
*Hereford 
*Herne Bay 
*Heywood 
*High Wycombe 
*Hinckley 
*Hindley 
*Hitchin 
*Hoddesdon 
*Horbury 
*Horsforth 
*Horsham 
*Houghton-le-Spring 
*Hove 
*Hoylake 
*Hoyland Nether 
*Hucknall 
*Huyton-with-Roby 
*Hyde 
*Ilkeston 
*Ince-in-Makerfield 
*Irlam 
*Jarrow 
*Kearsley 
*Keighley 
*Keynsham 
*Kidderminster 
*King's Lynn 
*Kingswood 
*Kirkby 
*Kirkby in Ashfield 
*Knottingley 
*Lakes 
*Lancaster 
*Leatherhead 
*Lees 
*Leigh 
*Letchworth 
*Leyland 
*Lichfield 
*Litherland 
*Littleborough 
*Little Lever 
*Longbenton 
*Longdendale 
*Long Eaton 
*Loughborough 
*Lowestoft 
*Lymington 
*Lytham St. Anne's 
*Macclesfield 
*Maidenhead 
*Maidstone 
*Maldon 
*Maltby 
*Malvern 
*Mangotsfield 
*Mansfield 
*Mansfield Woodhouse 
*Margate 
*Market Harborough 
*Marple 
*Matlock 
*Melton Mowbray 
*Mexborough 
*Middleton 
*Milnrow 
*Minehead 
*Mirfield 
*Morecambe and Heysham 
*Morley 
*Morpeth 
*Mossley 
*Nelson 
*Neston 
*Newark 
*Newbiggin-by-the-Sea 
*Newburn 
*Newbury 
*Newcastle-under-Lyme 
*Newmarket 
*Newport 
*Newport Pagnell 
*Newquay 
*New Sarum 
*Newton-le-Willows 
*New Windsor 
*Northfleet 
*Norton-Radstock 
*Nuneaton 
*Oadby 
*Oakengates 
*Old Fletton 
*Ormskirk 
*Orrell 
*Ossett 
*Oswaldtwistle 
*Padiham 
*Penrith 
*Penzance 
*Peterborough 
*Pontefract 
*Poole 
*Portishead
*Portslade-by-Sea 
*Potters Bar 
*Poulton-le-Fylde 
*Prescot 
*Prestwich 
*Pudsey 
*Queenborough-in-Sheppey 
*Queensbury and Shelf 
*Radcliffe 
*Ramsbottom 
*Ramsgate 
*Rawmarsh 
*Rawtenstall 
*Rayleigh 
*Redditch 
*Reigate 
*Rickmansworth 
*Rishton 
*Rochester 
*Rothwell 
*Royal Leamington Spa 
*Royal Tunbridge Wells 
*Royston 
*Royton 
*Rugby 
*Rugeley 
*Runcorn 
*Rushden 
*Ryde 
*Ryton 
*Sale 
*Sandown-Shanklin 
*Scarborough 
*Scunthorpe 
*Seaford 
*Seaham 
*Seaton Valley 
*Shepshed 
*Shipley 
*Shoreham-by-Sea 
*Shrewsbury 
*Sittingbourne and Milton 
*Skelmersdale and Holland 
*Skelton and Brotton 
*Slough 
*Southwick 
*Sowerby Bridge 
*Spalding 
*Spenborough 
*Stafford 
*Staines 
*St Albans 
*Stalybridge 
*Standish-with-Langtree 
*Stanley 
*Stanley 
*St. Austell with Fowey 
*Stevenage 
*Stourbridge 
*Stretford 
*Stroud 
*Sunbury-on-Thames 
*Sutton Coldfield 
*Sutton in Ashfield 
*Swadlincote 
*Swale 
*Swindon 
*Swinton and Pendlebury 
*Swinton 
*Tamworth 
*Taunton 
*Thornton Cleveleys 
*Thurrock 
*Tonbridge 
*Tottington 
*Trawden 
*Turton 
*Tyldesley 
*Urmston 
*Wallsend 
*Walton and Weybridge 
*Walton-le-Dale 
*Wardle 
*Washington 
*Watford 
*Wath upon Dearne 
*Wellingborough 
*Wellington, Shropshire 
*Welwyn Garden City 
*West Bridgford 
*Westhoughton 
*Weston-super-Mare 
*Weymouth and Melcombe Regis 
*Whickham 
*Whitefield 
*Whitehaven 
*Whitley Bay 
*Whitstable 
*Whittlesey 
*Widnes 
*Wigston 
*Wilmslow 
*Winchester 
*Wirral
*Witham 
*Withernsea 
*Woking 
*Wolverton 
*Wombwell 
*Workington 
*Worksop 
*Worsbrough 
*Worsley 
*Worthing 
*Yeovil
:That looks great.  What about the county boroughs?  Could they contain parishes? Warofdreams talk 04:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: no county boroughs initially contained parishes, and none of them became successor parishes either (at the time they were looking at a max population of about 25,000 for a parish it appears).  i'll slowly work on turning the list above into tables as in the article.  It's a shame the SIs to create new parishes aren't actually listed in the bound volumes : they are considered 'local' and only mentioned by name.  Morwen - Talk 06:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: complete list

message: Is there a category for unparished areas, or if not, would it be useful to have one? DuncanHill 10:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category for unparished areas?

message: the idea is to list unparished areas in 1974, and then parishes created in these since.  it is not intended to list every single parish in urban boroughs: we have a perfectly good List of civil parishes in Greater Manchester which does this.   adding stuff like Ringway makes a nonsense of the purposes of the list.   83.146.2.234 11:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I realise now the purpose of the Parished? column. It’s for places which have been parished since 1 April 1974, not actually created on or before that date. It seems there is some disambiguation with this and should be made more clearer. Perhaps the column title to be slightly altered to Parished since 1974?, and may be a List of civil parishes in .... link at the end of each county section. Cayden (talk) 15:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent additions 

message: Since there was some uncertainty about when Congleton civil parish was established, I emailed the Town Clerk about it (as I'd previously been in contact with him about other issues to do with the borough.) He emailed me back the Constitution of Congleton Town Council, which contains the information required. I include the relevant paragraphs below:
   	CONSTITUTION OF 	 	 	 	 	 	 	The District of Congleton was formed in April 1974 by the merger of 5 former urban and rural authorities, Alsager UDC, Congleton BC, Congleton RDC, Middlewich UDC and Sandbach UDC.  The first election for the District Council being held in June 1973.  The grant of a Charter was approved in May 1974 which gave the Council “Borough” status and authorised the office of Mayor as first citizen of the Borough.
The former Congleton Borough Council, abolished on 31st March 1974, had been responsible for the geographical area of Congleton Town, currently covered by the Town Council. It was a non-county Borough Council which served as a principal authority within a two tier local government system, sharing duties with Cheshire County Council.
Between 1974 and 1980, no formal “third tier” of local government was in place for the Town, however an informal body of former mayors lobbied for town council status.
Congleton Town Council was inaugurated in 1980, and took up its responsibilities in April 1981, to provide the local council tier of local government for the town of Congleton, serving approximately 28,000 residents. It exists to serve as a vehicle of local opinion; to provide an effective link between the local residents and council tax payers with the Borough and County councils; to express local feelings and interests and to keep watch on all developments within the Town. It has the statutory responsibility to examine plans due for consideration by the Borough Council as planning authority. It also manages a range of local services and facilities. 
So, I consider it certain that 1980 is the year in which it was established. I'm not sure how this might be cited if that is required.  DDStretch  (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: When Congleton Parish was established

message: It would be good to have a list of current unparished areas by current county (rather than 1974 county) - it's quite difficult to identify from the list in the article which towns and cities do not have town/city councils.
The list also needs updating, e.g. St Austell, Maldon, Stroud, Andover, Malvern all now seem to be civil parishes with town councils (according to the relevant WP article or council website).--Mhockey (talk) 23:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean... it would nearly need to be a completely separate list showing the current ones, as I'm not sure how you could incorporate say Keynsham which was parished when it was in a different county than it is now. If you see what I mean. Also we have the problem of whether to use ceremonial or non-metropolitan counties where they differ. I think the 1974 ones were chosen because the unparished areas date from that reorganisation. Might be an idea to have an article "Unparished area" which is basically text explaining what they are and then one or two list articles??? Lozleader (talk) 22:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  List by current counties? 

message: There indeed is an order in September 2021 about an area moving Lubenham to Market Harborough unparished area but it it possible there has been a decision to parish the unparished area since then? I can't find any and there doesn't appear to be a town council and "Market Harborough Town Council" only returns a few results. Crouch, Swale (talk)  16:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to Mapit the OS says its a CP. I still can't fine any other evidence such as orders or a town council though. Crouch, Swale (talk)  16:03, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that it's been parished more recently than the September 2021 order, but in that case I'd expect to find evidence of committee reports on the subject at Harborough District Council and relatively recent media reports and quite likely a newly-minted town council website too - none of which are leaping out at me from a quick search. I also note that Ordnance Survey's Election Maps website is still showing it as a "non-civil parish or community". Stortford (talk) 16:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed I'd expect to fine other evidence if a town of that size had been parished. On a related note some like Weymouth aren't parished according to the OS and Mapit (as well as election maps) and the OS and Mapit still show only the part from Cranford (part A on the order) with the original area still unparished. Probably time will tell but I think as with Kettering its just an error with the OS. Crouch, Swale (talk)  16:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've been through Mapit again and the parish of Market Harboorugh has disappeared in both Mapit and the OS and Mapit appears to show the unparished area with the new boundaries following the order so it indeed looks like it was just an error. Crouch, Swale (talk)  18:52, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Market Harborough]] 

message: Is it still true that the whole city is unparished as I am sure that somewhere I read that Sutton-on-Hull had recently become a parish. Keith D (talk) 15:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so, I can't fine any evidence of orders etc for that and there's nothing in the OS or Mapit that shows it as a parish. Crouch, Swale (talk)  15:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Kingston upon Hull