Talk:Japanese people/Archive 1

message: Moved from Japanese person.  Will make some attempt to modify it to correspond to the changed title, though the de-Engrishification is beyond me at this point. -Smack 07:31, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Change article?

message: I've read that "doho" (meaning compatriot) is used in Japan to refer to people of Japanese ancestry outside of Japan. Perhapse someone Japanese could explain further?
I'd like to get this strait before I try and fit the article. -- stewacide 18:39, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Doho

message: Since I dont see anybody doing the dump, Ill add the contents of the article to this page. It will need to be adapted to comply with Wikipedia NPOV.
:Ive hacked at that article a little. Cut a lot of extraneous stuff. But it will need a lot more cutting. Zeimusu
::Sorry I haven't done more to clean this article up recently, especially since I'm the one who did the dump... I put the new stuff under the category "Origin of the Japanese People". --Ce garcon 06:20, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really have the technical skills to do it, but is there anybody here enough of a Wikipedia geek to know how to insert any of the pictures, graphs, etc, that are in the original article? Once again, I'd do it (I've had practice inserting logos into articles and such) but I'm not really sure about the finer points of positioning pictures in articles. --Ce garcon 06:24, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Data dump 

message: 1 What is the meaning of 'Shilla Archives'
The oldest record　in Korea, 'from Shilla to Korea' is Samguk Sagiin 1145. With Chinese records, without myths, most historians agree that Shilla is a country from 356 AD to 935 AD. I have never heard of 'Shilla Archives'.
c.f. Nihonshoki, the Japanese official record was completed in 720 AD. (Nihonshoki=Nihonki)
2 This article describes as follows. 'The first Korean nation, Han-gook was established in 7,197 BC and lasted 3,301 years. The Han colonists subdued these tribes and established a new nation, Bai-dal in 3,898 BC. Go-Chosun (also called Dangun Chosun) followed Bai-dal in 2333 BC Where is the original References to support the 'fact'?(see History_of_Korea).  The text was written by Korean, and half of the text is to cheer up koreans. It's OK for Koreans to read such text by themselves.  But this is Wikipedia.
Ce garcon, could you explain me the reason, why you thought the text is 'a very good article'? Poo-T 08:50, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliability of "the text of the Korea Web Weekly article" 

message: #Who are Korean in this text? Living in Korean Peninsula does not make one a Korean just as Celts, Picts, Scots, Saxons, Vikings are not refered as "English".
#What and who are such references like "Diamond 1998", "Riley 2002", "Crystal 2004"?
#It is significant that the art of wet rice cultivation followed the same pattern, suggesting Jomon pottery and other tools of civilization came from Korea. How old is the oldest pottery found in Korea? Unless there had been one older than 12,700 years old one discovered in Kyushu, it can be reasoned that Japanese taught Korean to make pottery. Also, how did the rice cultivation spread in Korea? Rice is a native plant in regions like Southern China, Thai and Vietnam. When and from where was the rice farming started in Korea? Before "wet rice cultivation", there had been "dry rice cultivation". Has there been a period of dry rice cultivation in Korea?
#In about 250 BC, floods of immigrants from Korea began to arrive in Japan and exterminate the Jomon people. Is there any evidence that floods of immigrants from Korea arrived in Japan or that they exterminated the Jomon people?
#The Neolithic Jomon culture was overwhelmed by Iron Age culture from Korea.  Where did the "Bronze Age" go? What exactly does being "overwhelmed by Iron Age culture from Korea" mean?
#This Iron Age culture of Japan is called the Yayoi, named after a district of Tokyo where in 1884 pottery similar to contemporary South Korean pottery was unearthed. What justifies the use of "South Korean pottery" in this sentence which isn't even the proper name the peninsula was called at this time?
#Japan's population increased by an astonishing 7,000% during the Yayoi period. It is estimated that the Jomon people numbered less than 75,000 in about 400 BC. Korean farmers found the Japanese islands with warmer climates and abundant water a land of golden opportunity, and millions of them crossed the Tzushima Strait to Kyushu, and from there, to the other islands of Japan.    How many people were in Korea at Yayoi period and how can kingdoms in Korea cope with such a large immigration? The Yayoi period is as short as 550 years and as long as 1200 years and increasing population by 70 times over a millenium is quite possible without a massive immigration. What evidence is there that an immigration had happened or that the population increase was "astonishing"?
#Archeological excavations dug up large tombs with lavish burial goods and frescos, which are identical to those found in Koguryo tombs. Which tombs are similar?
#Some historians believe that Puyo warriors from Korea invaded Japan and established the Yamato period of domination of Japan by Korea. Who and what are "Puyo warriors" and what evidences support this arguments?
#In Nihonshoki and Kojiki, it is written that the Yamato kingdom ruled over a part of Korea. Why is this omitted and ignored here?
#Como (2000) shows that Buddhism was introduced to Japan by monks from Silla, and Silla scholars, merchants, and military held influential positions in Japan. "Influential" is used here without pointing out what positions they held. What positions did they occupy?
#Genetics and Biology talks nothing about what resulted from DNA studies and talks only about outward appearances which is heavily debated right now as how much is dependent on genetics and how much is on environment. What did DNA studies show?
Please answer these questions. Revth 14:02, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Questionnaire for "the text of the Korea Web Weekly article"

message: -In around 400-300 BC the Yayoi began to displace the Jomon. The Yayoi people were a bronze-age people and they introduced metalworking and rice cultivation to Japan. The Yayoi were descendants of people living in what is now the Gobi desert. (According to genetics data, Buryat share the common ancestors) Displaced by the desertification of their land they spread east. It is possible that the Yayoi language eventually developed into modern Japanese. The Shinto religion also probably developed from Yayoi beliefs.	
+In around 400-300 BC the Yayoi began to displace the Jomon. The Yayoi people were a bronze-age people and they introduced metalworking and rice cultivation to Japan. Yayoi language left no records, but many assume that modern Japanese should have descended from Yayoi speech. There is no direct evidence of shinto religion in Yayoi archeological remains; this too is postulated only.
This is part of the edit war halted by a 3rr violation block Please solve here in discussion.
The Yayoi people were a bronze-age people and they introduced metalworking and rice cultivation to Japan. The Yayoi were descendants of people living in what is now the Gobi desert. (According to genetics data, Buryat share the common ancestors) Displaced by the desertification of their land they spread east. Yayoi language left no records, but many assume that modern Japanese should have descended from Yayoi speech. There is no direct evidence of shinto religion in Yayoi archeological remains; this too is postulated only.
Addtional portion exiced after consideration.
--Tznkai 02:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit War: Solve it here 

message: 1. What does "Korean people" mean?
It doesn't necessarily follow that the people living in the Korean peninsula 2400 years ago are direct ancestors of modern-day "Koreans." I guess "Korean people" before unified Silla (668) makes no sense.
2. Goguryeo or Baekje did not exist around 400-300 BC. 
3.This paragraph contradicts the expression in the first; 
"The most accepted theory is that present-day Japanese are descended principally from both the Jomon, a paleo-Asiatic people, and the Yayoi, a neo-Asiatic people, "
4. The the origins of the Japanese language is a controversy.
Refer to the Japanese language page.
5. The origin of Shinto is a controversy.
Refer to the Shinto page.
6. It is argued where the Yayoi people came from. 
In 2001, the National Science Museum of Japan has held an exhibition named "Long Journey to Prehistorical Japan" which estimates the Yayoi people came from southern China where bones resembling Yayoi people were discovered. Yayoi Bones
Nobu Sho 22:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yayoi and Korean people?

message: Why should some contemporary popularist neo-con (my sole opinion atleast) be juxtaposed with contributing historical figures? I motion that he be replaced with Sharaku or Akio Morita.
Copue441 15:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'd be happy to replace him. Can you think of someone better than the two you mentioned though? --Khoikhoi 00:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotta be "The Godzilla" Matsui, Nakata, or Ken Watanabe IMO--Endroit 00:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: That's a good point. Maybe the Japanese should start doing that? I've seen most Japanese names with the given name first. I would speculate that it's because Japanese make more efforts to follow Western rules than Chinese or Koreans.--Sir Edgar 01:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's generally the reason I've gotten from my Japanese friends. This isn't usually the case with my Chinese friends, though this seems to be changing some with my Korean friends. ˑˑˑ日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoε 01:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should Koizumi's portrait be removed from the japanesepeople.img?

message: Hello, I was doing some research. In this article, in the section "Japanese Living Abroad" , it states "The number of Japanese citizens living abroad is estimated to be over 1 million persons, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan. By country, the highest number, were living in the United States, followed by People's Republic of China. The number of person who reside in Brazil was the third largest and that of United Kingdom came fourth." When I came the section Demographics in the article on Brazil, it stated " ...and Japanese-Brazilians are the largest Japanese population outside of Japan (1.5 million)." Which is the true fact? Thanks.
--PinkCrayon 21:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I don't think this page is very reliable, I think the issue here is Japanese citizens living abroad vs. people of Japanese descent living in other countries. Dekimasu 02:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting Facts about the Japanese Population abroad in Brazil. 

message: Editors have recently been changing the numbers on Japanese populations in various countries back and forth without citation, leaving us no way to know which number is correct. If you can add citations to the population numbers in the infobox, please do so. Dekimasu 02:23, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese populations in the infobox

message: I think this should be addressed in this article, the issue of people who immigrate to Japan and gain Japanese citizenship.  There was an article about it in a recent issue of Time magazine (Asia edition).  I will try to hunt the article down online.  MightyAtom 06:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a Foreign-born Japanese article linked in the see also section, but there isn't really much information there. Dekimasu 10:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese immigrants

message: Hey, it says Brazil has a higher Japanese population than the USA, yet it says USA has the most in the "Japanese living abroad" section.
::(Please sign your comments and put them at the bottom of the talk page.) One number relates to the number of people with Japanese ancestry living abroad, and the other relates to the number of people with Japanese citizenship living abroad. It's not actually a contradiction, but it could probably be phrased more clearly. Dekimasu 02:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: Do you think we could get one of those lines of pictures in the info box, male and female?
::(Please sign your comments and put them at the bottom of the talk page.) Feel free to suggest any suitable male picture. I thought that the current picture was an improvement over the previous 1860s photographs and painting of a Tokugawa shogun. Dekimasu 02:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Pictures?