Talk:Hunger

message: How much days can one survive without drinking?, how many without eating? without breathing? The answer is borderer but not treated.Undead Herle King (talk) 04:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: How can there be no data anyhwere in wikipedia on this?

message: Under the 'Hunger as a condition'-section, it is stated that gurgling sounds and bubbling feelings are what induce stomach shrinking. The reason for the gurgling and bubbling is never properly explained. Gamkiller 07:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sounds and feelings

message: What is the 'pit' of the stomach?
Citation needed here!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.24.133.188 (talk) 10:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  stomach 

message: This is a dictionary entry, and a poor one at that. There's nothing but usage information for the word "hunger" here. AxelBoldt 21:14 Nov 20, 2002 (UTC)
:Then please flesh it out with a physiological description. --Brion 21:17 Nov 20, 2002 (UTC)
::Generally I agree in condemning such criticisms, because rather than criticize, one can add, or ask questions and make polite requests for expansion. Tyciol 06:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor entry

message: That may be better suited to Starvation, unless the (many) specific chemical changes in the body that trigger hunger are documented here. -64.235.174.78
:What exactly is your body signalling a need for when you're hungry? I know it's food, but what exactly does it need? What nutrient deficiency causes hunger? --SPUI (talk) 17:41, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see more of a physiological description too. I am surprised with the problems many have with overeating, food addictions, anorexia, etc. that this article has not been more fully explored. I am of the opinion that what the article currently consists of should be secondary content. Instead, the primary one should be the biological basis of hunger, and how it manifests as physical pain and mental need. Who agrees?Tyciol 06:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the comments. I added a brief section on this, and linked to the main article  ( Hunger (motivational state) ), which says hunger is mainly caused by the hormone ghrelin. Even the main article is fairly brief, it doesnt look like many experts on the biochemical aspects have been doing much work on these articles recently.  If you'd like them to be further improved you could perhaps make a request over at   Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine . FeydHuxtable (talk) 20:50, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Physiological description

message: I notice this page is exactly the same as .  What's company policy on this? 209.195.128.7218 May 2005
:The BiologyDaily site may use this page under the GFDL, as long as Wikipedia is credited. JFW | T@lk 22:21, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, the policy is that if it's free, it's fine to have similarities or to base it on another page. We should supplement it with info from other sources to make it better, less biased, up to date, and all-encompassing though. Tyciol 06:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Same as URL

message: I have heard from a couple sources that your stomach does not actually "shrink" when you do not eat enough food. From what I understand, your body is actually producing less stomach acid to dissolve your food. The stomach acid triggers the "hungry" feeling in your stomach, and as the acid gets used up on food, you do not feel as hungry. So when you have less acid, you do not fill up as fast. If I could find some sources, I think this should be pointed out... because a lot of people seem to be spouting off this "myth" about our stomachs shrinking. -Unknown
:I believe the rumour is true, but not in the degree most people think. The stomach very likely has a minimum size that it won't shrink past, which is why people get surgery to make it smaller (a full stomach does induce fullness). Any shrinkage beyond minimum would probably be due to catabolization of stomach tissue, which I can't see happening very easily due to the anti-evolutionary aspects of the trait. Stomachs due 'stretch' though, as far as I know, which is how power eating works, so if someone reduced their food intake or ate smaller meals, the stomach might reduce to it's minimum, rather than stretching out from larger meals? Tyciol 07:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stomach "shrinkage"

message: Many individuals feel hunger pangs while attempting to reduce food intake and lose weight.  Hunger is the largest single reason why dieting fails.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.214.81.51 (talk) 04:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dieting

message: The last sentence needs to be deleted as it reflects an anti-American bias. The United States should not be singled out.
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I agree with the non-neutral POV tag above.  The military expenditure of many nations exceeds 19 billion dollars U.S., yet they are not mentioned.  Why it is the responsibility of the United States to feed the hungry or why the military spending of the United States' (or anywhere else) is relevant to the discussion escapes me.
:I've removed the section. If anyone wants to readd it, feel free to do so, but don't single out any countries. User:Master of Puppets 20:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics of Hunger

message: Mentioning satiety would be a great addition to the article. --Abdull 15:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satiety 

message: ::Little progress has been made in tackling world hunger despite pledges by leaders to halve the number who are underfed, the UN's food agency says.
::Some 820m people in the developing world were hungry in 2001-2003, only 3m fewer than 1990-1992, the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) said. 
::http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6099460.stm
:::vkvora 03:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progress in World Hunger 

message: "The USDA will now use the term "very low food security" to describe people who used to be considered "food insecure with hunger." Statistically speaking, hunger will no longer exist in America." 
I have no idea how or if this should be mentioned, but I thought you'd be interested to know that America has abolished hunger.  Regards, Ben Aveling 06:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You hear it from the BBC and the Guardian. Right? Al Cook USA  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.32.208.167 (talk) 13:02, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  America has abolished hunger 

message: How is a pattern of increased activity in humans demonstrated while they are sleeping?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.5.76.92 (talk) 19:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Increased Activity While Sleeping? 

message: It is not clear how increased activity due to hunger would relieve pressure on native population. Needs more elaboration.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinking-ape (talk • contribs) 15:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relieve Pressure on population 

message: I do not think that's necessary correct. A lot of things are affecting our feeling of hunger. Stomach contraction, blood sugar (glucose in the blood), perceptions of food and so on.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.134.121.18 (talk) 23:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hunger is a feeling experienced when the glycogen level of the liver falls below a threshold, 

message: Considering putting a pet an abundance of food it'll keep eating and eating till it is very fat, or try the same with a child and sweets or try the same with an adult that doesn't think that much about dietary habits and fast foods, it makes you easily think there might be a fine line between "hunger" and "instinctive draw to food whenever, for whatever, till it's not possible enough to eat". I for one would like to see sources and this article discussing these things. --Leladax (talk) 19:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does it actually exist? How much is psychology driven? 

message: I see a bit of WP:OR in this section in that the original sources give the mortality per year. I'm unsure of the value of deriving the mortality per second, hour, day, etc. Wikipedia is not a platform for advocacy, even for a good cause. Xasodfuih (talk) 17:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mortality statistics 

message: It is not WP:OR. Please read carefully before judging : the original sources do give variations on the mortality statistics as one can read in the sources I provide in the " References" and as one can also read in the many links to actual source material that I give in the " References" 
For example, in the “References"
[17] ^ Jacques Diouf. “The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2004: Monitoring Progress Towards the World Food Summit and Millennium Development Goals”. Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, 2004, p. 4. “one child dies every ﬁve seconds as a result of hunger and malnutrition”.
Jacques Diouf, FAO Director-General, wrote this, not me.
As to the value of variations on the mortality statistics, it is necessary because these variations are found in many of the reliable sources on the matter (Food and Agriculture Organization, United Nations Special Rapporteur on the right to food, World Food Programme, Unicef, etc) (included in the sources used by me in the "References"). It is therefore a standard way of communicating the statistics on this matter given by the organizations responsible for establishing authoritative statistics on the subject. 
it is necessary also because these variations are used regularly in reliable news outlets and by other seemingly authoritative organizations (various hunger organizations) often without precise references. If one wants to check on one of these variations found somewhere, at least now Wikipedia gives solid sources to support or criticize what one has found.
Armando Navarro (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response 

message: I support the Wikipedia organism autonomously maintaining itself so having the two articles under the hunger heading sounds like a good idea. But I don’t like blessing the Hunger (malnutrition) article with the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I’d prefer Hunger (motivational state) to be named simply Hunger, if that didn’t cause it drift towards the malnutrition topic. But would there be any issues with letting Hunger (disambiguation) take the plain "Hunger" title, and listing both articles with equal blessing at the top? Vadmium (talk) 13:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll give the same answer I have been giving for years:  whatever article is entitled Hunger will draw edits from well-intentioned people who don't know much about Wikipedia but care a lot about malnutrition.  If you're willing to take on the responsibility of fixing those edits and explaining to those editors why their edits were wrong, you are welcome, as far as I'm concerned, to make the change you suggest.  The current structure, although logically less than ideal, is more or less self-maintaining. Looie496 (talk) 18:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: I consider vandalism the removal of content without a single explanation. At least Looie496 is now giving a reason, the fact that the TV transmission removed is in french. I suppose you don't disagree with the main merit of question, hunger as a weapon, and the importance of references to that by internal or external links. Thank you Marasmus (talk) 01:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Vandalism 

message: Cause that is what the current article is telling me. 
There is almost no mention of physical, physiological, psychological or any other REAL AND CONSTANT aspects of hunger in humans or animals.
Wonderful! But there are stats on "malnourished people in the developing world". Jolly good!
Let me guess. There was a lot more text on hunger here before, but it was deleted due to being original research?--89.146.133.75 (talk) 02:29, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That information is in hunger (motivational state).  A couple of years ago this article was about hunger as a motivational state and hunger in the sense of malnutrition was redirected to malnutrition, but I found that it was a constant struggle to keep people from adding information about malnutrition to the article, and they would get very angry when the information was removed, so eventually I got tired of fighting and split the article as it currently is.  Regards, Looie496 (talk) 07:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, hunger is primarily social, economical and political issue that exists only in United States? 

message: I really think that "Hunger" should be the motivational state. I looked up Hunger on wikipedia to find out what causes it, blah blah blah and got a load of information about malnutrition and starving people, which I really couldn't care less about right now. This is an encyclopedia, and as such, should really title its articles properly. I propose this article should be only about the motivational state, with a disambig subtitle guiding those looking for famine or malnutrition to the correct page. If that doesn't help then just lock edits on the page. I doubt most people would think "I want to know about famine, better hit wikipedia for 'hunger'".
At the very least a search for hunger should direct to a page with links to hunger (motivational state), hunger among humans, and possibly a third page if neccessary. Misteranderson91 (talk) 14:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think our title is already correct.   As an encyclopedia, our articles are to a degree a reflection of the reliable published sources.  Looking at sources with a primary topic of hunger,  those who treat hunger as a political and social problem seem to outnumber those that treat hunger as a motivational states by more than 100:1.  Im not sure why you made the comment about famine, thats only a small part of the article. Severe hunger affects millions of people even in places like the United States, where they have a super abundance of food availability.   If you watch the recent film A Place at the Table, it shows even cops having to use food banks, as otherwise they go hungry 'cos their monthly pay only leaves them enough for 2 weeks food. FeydHuxtable (talk) 18:07, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In that sense, the underlying cause is the hunger as a motivational state. The Oxford Dictionary, American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language or the Cambridge Dictionary all list the hunger as a motivational state first. I agree with Misteranderson91 that at least a disambiguation page should be there, according to WP:ASTONISH, but the primary meaning is evident. Brandmeistertalk   17:04, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to fix the redirects and put this article right 

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message: I had requested that this page be moved from "Hunger" to here, and that the former page Hunger (motivational state) be moved to Hunger.  I will be merging this page into Malnutrition; the content almost completely overlaps and unfortunately has not been kept in SYNC. Jytdog (talk) 14:05, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The move has been reverted, and I've began undoing the merge. See here  for reasons.  Granted, there was some logic in what you were doing, e.g. the UN has been increasingly addressing both  malnutrition & hunger together. But only to an extent; they remain seperate topics, unless one is using the broader definitions, one can obviously be hungry & not malnourished, & vice versa. Also, with respect as I know you've done a lot of valueable work for the wikipedia, but the merge seemed a little rushed and rather mangled information. Plus Malnutrition was already about twice the max 50k size where WP:WSPLIT applies - after the merge it became a 150k monster.  I'll be completing the unmerge & updating the articles in the next week or so, much has changed in the global hunger relief field in the 3.5 years since I last edited this article. FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note to page move and eventual merge 

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