Talk:Jannah

message: The reason goes back to two simple words: Jannah and Ahbitu, both found in 2:35 and 2:36 respectively. The word Jannah means "garden." Allah put Adam and his wife, Hawwa in a garden. The word for Heaven in Arabic is not Jannah, although it is sometimes synonymous. The word most accurately used for the next life is "Akhirah" or "Next (world)" The only time the word Jannah is used when talking about the next life is to emphasize that it will be like a beautiful garden, even better than what we have on earth. It must be pointed out that in Surah 18, Allah uses the word Jannah to refer to both a garden on Earth as well as one in Heaven. (See the story of the Owners of the Garden. (18:31-32) Jannah is a generic term for place of beautiful plant life.
http://www.islamicedfoundation.com/articles/article3.htm
--Striver 19:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: terminology

message: I see Itaqallah has conveniently taken out the hadith where it was mentioned that people would have sex in heaven. Although it was a good rewrite, it has taken out some important facts and details out of the article. I will deal with this 'softening' of the article later. Sex in Jannah is elaborate in detail in Islam; there are many hadiths for it and so it deserves its own section. I'll make such a section at some point. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 00:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i "conveniently" took out all the primary sources, the mention of intercourse still remains (in the way EoI expressed it). i don't see any justification for a section on "Sex in Jannah", while it may perhaps be something of personal interest to you, the EoI (the best source we could be using here) certainly doesn't apply any excessive weight in that direction. ITAQALLAH 00:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Primary sources can be used. The rest of what you said is not true as well. You have took out hadiths and everything and all the important details disappeared from the article. They'll come back when I make that section. By the way what policy can you give to justify your "rewrite"? If its not supported by policy, it should be reverted. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 00:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Please also apply your rewrite engine to the huge Conditions quotefarm. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 00:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: see WP:V and WP:RS. the aim is to base our reporting on reliable secondary sources, not on primary sources. as for your second comment, the EoI discusses mainly descriptions (actually, the EoI says virtually nothing about conditions of acceptance). but i'll give that a go too sometime. ITAQALLAH 01:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not forbidden to use primary sources. I've moved the Conditions back to the bottom until its rewritten. That doesnt look good at the top. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 01:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well as the core content policies say, we should rely on reliable secondary sources. i don't see any pressing need for primary source usage, except that you want to emphasise a particular aspect of your own choosing (see WP:UNDUE). primary texts describe paradise itself and its various aspects in significant detail (as EoI states), not just intercourse. as for your move, i don't really mind either way for now. ITAQALLAH 01:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, its not forbidden to use primary sources. If we find secondary sources, its better, but its not the only option. Well yes, other aspects should also be explained in more details where possible. If detail doesnt exist for anything, thats what it is. I was asking for policies to support your rewrite. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 01:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itaqallah's rewrite 

message: Jannah is commonly translated as "Paradise" not "Heaven". Thus, I'll change the wording.Vice regent 20:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is correct. For those who are Muslims, the Farsi origin goes back to the teachings of the ancient Iranian Prophet who was sent by Allah. But to those who are non-Muslim, it is believed that both the English (Germanic) and Arabic (Semitic) are rooted in a primitive tongue, with English sharing roots with Persian according to the modern myth of an Indo-European race. But this secularistic human lore is rejected as heresy by the believers.--MuslimKnight786 (talk) 17:59, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heaven -> Paradise 

message: The quote "If the people of the book deny Muhammad(SAW), they will never enter jannah, because he has been sent." Is not true and should be removed.  I read the source of this little quote and it explains exactly what the Qur'an meant when talking about the people of the book.  The Qur'an says, 
"Indeed, those who have believed [in this Prophet] and those who became Jews and Christians and the Sabians who [truly] believe in God and the Day of Judgment and do good deeds, they shall have their reward with their Lord and they shall neither have fear [for the future] nor any remorse [for the past]. (2:62)"
Jews and Christians both deny The Prophet Muhammad(SAW) but it says in the Qur'an that they can enter Paradise.  "The verse does not say that all the mentioned groups shall enter Paradise; on the contrary, it says that Paradise is not the right of any group – as the adherents of the respective groups would like to believe – but is the right only of those who truly believe in God and in the Day of Judgment and do good deeds." http://renaissance.com.pk/juncrit2y1.htmlDumaka (talk) 14:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conditions of going to Paradise 

message: These name are missing in this article and in Garden of Eden (would it be applicable there too?). The following is what I collected at first glance, and may contain mistakes: 
*Rivers of paradise:
** Saihan
**Jaihan
**Euphrates
**Nile
*Springs of paradise: 
**Al-Kawthar
**Salsabil
Please confirm if the above is correct and if there is a reliable source for it. Wiki-uk (talk) 13:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of rivers and springs 

message: Reference Number 7 incorrectly states Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 605 when in fact the number is 606. I don't know how to edit it so I hope someone will do it.--71.108.123.20 (talk) 01:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing References

message: "eructation" means belching.  is that the right word?  i don't know anything about it, but it seems an odd idea, that the food will be digested by the act of belching. 01:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "eructation" means belching 

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message: the editor known as @User:VenusFeuerFalle reverted my edits with no edit summary. Any explanation? --BoogaLouie (talk) 19:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
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