Talk:Plumpy'nut

message: 500 kilocalorie ? Someone should check their facts, 500 kilocalories is roughly 500 thousand
calories. I did some Googling and have read that the proper nutritional value is 500 calories. 156.34.198.112 07:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Use Joule, FFS ... --Kristian 00:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Calories

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message: Are there any allergy concerns about the use of peanuts to treat malnutrition, owning to the commonality of this particular allergy? skeptical scientist (talk) 18:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure it's appropriate to include a link. Most know that peanut allergies exist, and those who would be receiving this product are unlikely to have Internet access. Fleetham (talk) 17:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allergy concerns? 

message: Currently the info there reads like a poorly-written advert for Plumpy'nut: as I've noted on that page's discussion page, it could really do with a rewrite before some well-meaning editor just deletes the whole lot  ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 19:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:spam|Spammy]] blurb on [[therapeutic food]] page

message: Entry:
"Médecins Sans Frontières (also known as Doctors without Borders) has been dispensing 14 packets (one week's worth) of Plumpy'nut in 22 centers in Niger since May 2005, but only to those children who are dramatically underweight and sufficiently well to benefit from outpatient care."
Has been deleted from the 'application' section as the information was inaccurate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MSFAccessCampaign (talk • contribs) 10:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Application - MSF entry deleted 

message: An IP recently removed a "hat tag" saying that this article was written like an ad saying that it was "no longer needed." Not much has changed since that hat tag was added, but does anyone care that the hat tag was removed? Fleetham (talk) 06:54, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not an ad? 

message: Citadel spread is not an RUTF. Moving it to its own page. --Ancheta Wis    (talk  | contribs) 04:52, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for explaining the meaning of this WP:Primary source. It was tough for me to sort out. Secondary sources are preferable, of course. --Ancheta Wis    (talk  | contribs) 08:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  move out a non RUTF to Citadel spread 

message: A recently added source is quoted on the page as follows: "Mr Lescanne confirms that shareholders receive 18% of the company’s annual profits" (which were €4.4m in 2009)." So, are the annual profits 4.4 million euros or is 18% of the profits 4.4 million euros? I'm leaning towards the latter because I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Nutriset's revenues were around 100 million euros, but can we get another source so we're sure? Fleetham (talk) 16:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question, the source is somewhat ambiguous but English grammar would indicate the latter. http://www.nutriset.fr/assets/Rapports-annuels/livret-plumpyfield-eng.pdf indicates over 125M revenue in 2011, indicating the latter. Nutriset keeps profit numbers pretty close to the vest and is allowed to as a private for-profit company. Bernardwoodpecker (talk) 00:39, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semantic ambiguity 

message: Simple searches for Lescanne reveal that he has disclaimed his profits. So at least part of the text I commented out is off the mark. WP:BLP is our guide here. --Ancheta Wis    (talk  | contribs) 16:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I found many sources stating Nutriset was a for-profit company, and one's where Lescanne claimed his profits were reasonable, but none where he disclaimed all profits. Can you give me a URL?  Bernardwoodpecker (talk) 18:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

text: You may be thinking of André Briend, the actual formulator of Plumpy'nut, who did disclaim all profits. Lescanne was the funder, who required his name co-author the patents as a condition of funding - Bernardwoodpecker (talk) 13:54, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  /* Patent issues */ per BLP 

message: You recently added India to the sentence, "Nutriset holds patents in many countries... which they have defended to prevent non-licensees in the United States, Norway, and India from producing or distributing similar products." I believe this is in error, as this article states, "Nutriset patents are not registered in India." Fleetham (talk) 17:40, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Nutriset used patents in Africa to stop the distribution of RUTF made in India. See MSF letter Bernardwoodpecker (talk) 18:04, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Also, I thought the intro paragraph was cleaner when no countries were listed.  I added India for completeness after you added "United States and Norway" Bernardwoodpecker (talk) 18:25, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nutriset cannot defend patent in India as it has none 

message: Please don't introduce interwiki links to citadel spread. You created that page five days ago and seem quite intent on introducing a link to it here along with much anti-Nutriset content. While I don't have any problem with you adding cited content that it critical of Nutriset, please don't introduce links to that page into sentences cited with sources that make no mention of "citadel spread." I'm not sure if citadel spread constitutes an Wikipedia:Attack page, but it's not a generic term for a peanut butter based spread. It's the name of a recipe featured in the book Appalachian Hiker: Adventure of a Lifetime. Fleetham (talk) 23:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not create the Citadel spread article, it was created by Ancheta Wis.  I think Citadel spread is a name for pastes made of peanuts, oil, sugar and milk powder. If you do not think the page has a NPOV, I would like your help in editing it. Bernardwoodpecker (talk) 23:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You're correct, Ancheta did create the page. Apologies. As for "citadel spread," it may not originate with  Appalachian Hiker: Adventure of a Lifetime, but it is a trail snack that was apparently popular c. 1970 in the US if forum posts like this one are anything to go by. I'm not sure if anything created with peanut butter, sugar, and powered milk should be considered a "citadel spread" or if the term is better restricted to where it originated as a word for a specific type of snack associated with hiking and camping. I think the main issue I have is that your edits appear to be very anti-Nutriset. For example, you edit summary for this edit reads, "Undid revision 606580231 by Nutriset's paid corporate Wikipedia editor/saboteur." On this page, you've established a pattern of "citing" information with sources that in no way support your statements. And your edits to the citadel spread article have incorporated quite a few sources that don't mention the term "citadel spread" at all... again, I see no source that makes me think this is a blanket term for any peanut butter based spread. Fleetham (talk) 23:56, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm learning. It is more NPOV than when I started.  In my defense, I think the information I am citing does support what I put in edits, though sometimes not completely. Some information I think is pretty obvious, and I haven't found sources for all of that, but I am not intentionally lying about anything. As for calling Ancheta a "Nutriset's paid corporate Wikipedia editor/saboteur", I regret that, he has been very helpful.  I was trying to continue the playful sarcasm he use when he claimed my idol Ed Garvey "died of congestive heart failure" on my talk page, but I guess I missed the mark. Bernardwoodpecker (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This comment above regarding Bernardwoodpecker's comments and personal feelings related to Ed Garvey and Citadel spread, and zealous use of reverting to maintain single-minded presentation of own concepts about the two RUTF articles, expose a personal mission and violations of WP:COI, WP:EXTERNALREL and WP:NPOV. It is time for involvement of an Administrator whom I am requesting now.--Zefr (talk) 14:06, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the article is better now with the dozen or so sources I have added, and reflects a NPOV.  I admit Fleetham and Ancheta Wis have helped me come up a learning curve on NPOV. I continue to think the edits by Zefr fail to reflect a NPOV. - Bernardwoodpecker (talk) 14:36, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think as long as everyone can respect consensus and there's less reverting an admin is probably unnecessary. Really, the NPOV issue seems to be a misunderstanding on the part of Bernardwoodpecker. NPOV isn't writing an article that is neutral or well balanced but rather writing an article that includes all viewpoints that appear in reliable sources. The COI and external relationship stuff is a bit of a stretch I think... Fleetham (talk) 21:54, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking to "Citadel Spread" 

message: I would have thought the earlier Dr. Patricia Wolff statement that for Nutriset “poverty is a business”, combined with the article I found discussing greed and the fact the three sole shareholders receive 18% of the company’s annual profits (which were €4.4m in 2009) would be sufficient. No? - Bernardwoodpecker (talk) 13:01, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because those support the idea that someone once said of Nutriset that "poverty is a business" and that 18% of profits go to shareholders. If you want to say, "the patent controversy has drawn attention to profits" you need a source that says, "the patent controversy has drawn attention to profits." Fleetham (talk) 21:21, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  patent controversy has drawn attention to the profits ...[citation needed] 

message: "
How to get the Plumpynut,for a young girl of 11years,she looks 5 years,she gets admitted in hospital for severe malnutrition ,the only treatment she for at list four days which brings back to like",she travels 350 miles with my support to get the plumpy nut,sheis only treated in hospital ,she can not be given at list a supply for at list 1 or 2 week to continue at home,they can not because the plumpy nut is begin donated ,I am desperate to get or buy the Plumpy nut for this young girl,she is a orphan ,I have been supporting this young girl for the past fours years.
Your help will be much appreciated at list if I could get the supply for this girl.
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Moved to talk page. But there is a misunderstanding here.
Plumpynut is not recommended for continual use. Only for famine conditions. There is another kind of formulation which could be used as supplemental food. --Ancheta Wis    (talk  | contribs) 14:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a citation for avoiding Plumpy'nut in non-famine situations: When children who are not severely malnourished are instead given Plumpy'nut, "You can see the result. They are all puffy." —Chantal Gegout, a WHO nutritionist ( BMJ 2010; 341 doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmj.c6796 (Published 26 November 2010) )  Cite this as: BMJ 2010;341:c6796 --Ancheta Wis    (talk  | contribs) 17:12, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  An appeal moved to talk page 

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