Talk:Juan Sebastián Elcano

message: This article needs a lot more information -Elcano's role in the mutiny at Patagonia, his relationship with Magellan, his return home to Spain.
* I agree. I have only a little knowledge and incompetent to write in English, therefore, it is difficult to contribute. But, maybe, Nao Victoria, the restored ship of Elcano, will be arrived to Seville in the end of this week or next week after a journey round the world. Therefore, I think it's good time to mend this article on Elcano... --Morio 03:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I want to register my voice as objecting to renaming the explorer de Elcano (or del Cano).
According to Daniel J. Boorstin's book The Discoverers, the correct spelling for this entry is Juan Sebastián del Cano.  (1983, First Vintage Books Edition 1985, page 266.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.72.215 (talk) 02:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: How is Elcano currently considered by a majority of people? Independently for our discussion about the situation on that time (we could keep it for ages), Elcano is considered as Spanish by most of publications and institutions, as well as Charles V is considered King of Spain (his article explains it). Remember one very important thing: Wikipedia demands that it should have what is considered by most people, and not the one of a reduced number of ones (eventually to mention it, but not to state it as the truth). Again, something that says both things should be in the article. Escorial82 (talk) 09:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Elcano's current consideration

message: I have removed a paragraph on a claim of Elcano discovering Île Amsterdam. Pigafetta only says that they left Timor, avoiding all "Greater India" (from Sumatra to Calicut, where the Portuguese were estabilished) and, then reached Cape of Good Hope, in modern South Africa. No mention of any stops or sighted islands at all. And Pigafetta does mention ALL islands they visited or heard of in the Malay Archipielago! 
Does anybody have a source for that claim? --Sugaar (talk) 23:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, please put it back yourself, if you are so confident. And if you can provide a source much better. Use: Insert footnote text here and the source will appear in the references section at the bottom, linked by a small number. --Sugaar (talk) 18:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Île Amsterdam 

message: What the heck? This is the most unsourced and unlikely claim I have ever seen. Deleting. --Sugaar (talk) 18:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "There are also reports that the profits were confiscated by the King to pay for the lost ships." 

message: I thought I'd share this book that I was lightly reading on de Elcano. Facts it mentions are:
* He was a deep sea fisherman.
* He was a smuggler.
* He fought with Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba.
* He explored "some of the coast of Africa" (my note: this was probably handy since he would be famous for looping around the southern and western coast; but that is conjecture).
* He and Magellan were at odds with one another.
* He was "chained up and forced to do hard labor".
There is more, but these are rather interesting and I thought if anyone wanted to include them, perhaps they could do so. I'm only good at minor editing, not writing. Oh and I have nothing at all to do with the book. I just happened upon it because I read that today is the day Magellan died and one thing led to another and... well you get the idea. Anyhow, cheers! MagnoliaSouth (talk) 13:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts not mentioned. 

message: The first edition of this work gives only the year of Elcano's return and doesn't specify Sanlúcar de Barrameda. I'm intrigued that such details has been added in the second edition. William Avery (talk) 23:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perspectivas culturales de España citation 

message: The issue has not been corrected. The moderator of this article is clearly a Basque nationalist, and he is using censorship against pow different to his own. There is no proof he was of "Basque ethnicity", if such thing exists. How do you know his family did not come from other region/nation/state of Spain? His name and surnames are not Basque, they're actually very Castilian, and therefore not of "Basque ethnicity". It is historically inaccurate to state that his nationality was Basque, that was not a nationality, he was Castilian. I think it can be stated that he was born in present-day Basque country, but there are no documents that say he was Basque, or any letter of him writing in euskera or arguing about his national status. Please, Xabier, act coherently with wikipedia guidelines and POV.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.245.37.19 (talk) 11:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, anonymous user, avoid any original research — Elcano is Basque per numerous reliable secondary sources, as referenced. And avoid talking about topics on which you are ignorant — Elcano is a Basque surname, as you will find in any serious list of Basque surnames. --Xabier Armendaritz(talk) 10:31, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Elcano was Basque, as was noted also by other members of the expedition. Martín de Ayamonte, in his relation to the Portuguese inquity, clearly said that the captain was Biscayne.Santamaría Urtiaga, Enrique (2022). La vuelta de Elkano. El molesto triunfo de la gente corriente (in Spanish). Donostia: Eusko Ikaskuntza. ISBN 9788484193012. Modern sources also state this. Theklan (talk) 11:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

text: You have the statement of him being Basque just in the leading sentence. "Juan Sebastián Elcano completed the first known circumnavigation of the globe in September 1522. The Basque navigator led the tattered remains of Magellan's fleet back to Spain after the commander's death in 1521.". Theklan (talk) 13:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

text: People from many nationalities dies in those expeditions. The source of the expedition and the nationality of the sailors are not related at all. On the other hand, you have sources stating that he was Basque, and you are misunderstanding nationality and citizenship. Theklan (talk) 13:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whether Elcano was Basque or not 

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message: The section about military life comes from some fake references created during the francoism trying to show that Elcano was a military before the circunnavigation. It is difficult to know whether Elcano was in the campaign of Italy, but surely he wasn't in Oran with his own ship, because of his age. There are some references on this: , . All the section should be changed to reflect the current view on this affair. -Theklan (talk) 15:52, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military life 

message: typo, shp should be ship below:
was eating the wood of the shp Bluejaguar~enwiki (talk) 23:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks! DanCherek (talk) 01:22, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! If you find any other error or you think something should be rephrased, proceed, please. The more English I read, the worse I write it. Theklan (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 12 September 2022 

message: The article about Elcano by the Royal Academy of History is not a reliable source. They used to claim that Elcano was born 10 years before the actual date, only because some invented facts didn't fit. Now they have changed the date, but they mantain the "facts". Most important ideas they mantain:
* Elcano was in the conquest of Oran with his own ship: this is false, as the conquest of Oran was a very profitable victory and Elcano or anyone similar is not in the list of captains who received money.
* Elcano was then under the orders of the Great Captain in Italy, but the Great Captain was death before the siege of Oran. And Elcano ws 8 years old when this happened.
I wouldn't take it as the most important piece, as many modern books and research are way better. Theklan (talk) 19:53, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish Royal Academy of History is not a reliable source 

message: Should the Basque spelling of Elcano's name be rendered in bold in the opening sentence? There is a dispute over this, with one editor maintaining that "it's distracting. MOS:BOLDALTNAMES tells us that bolding is appropriate for "significant alternative names (which should usually also redirect to the article)". I note that Elkano indeed redirects to our article; the only point of contention I see here is about "significant". Editors are asked to be concise. Drmies (talk) 00:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC on bolding