Talk:Dignitas (non-profit organisation)

message: Created the page using material from this version of the suicide methods page, since it didn't fit there and I thought it should have an article of its own. It needs references, proper disambig etc. I'm working on it, slowly...
Eve 20:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The Daily Mail has been quoted for the 'Criticisms' part of this article.  The Mail is a sensationalist and extreme right-wing newspaper and not a reliable source.  Would you cite the Weekly World News as a valid source?--217.203.162.8 (talk) 01:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see how this reflection is supposed to back up the statement (apparently deleted in the meantime) I drew into question. Whether they accept money or not is a different question from the question whether they require employees to maintain secrecy. Most companies and even most foundations accept money (e.g. from clients or members); few forbit their employees to speak about the workings of the company/foundation (think of a supermarket-chain: the shop-assistants can talk as much as they like about their work).TheseusX (talk) 01:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily Mail is not a good source 

message: "Establishing what happens now at Dignitas is very difficult as employees are required to maintain secrecy."
This is quite an interesting remark. I wonder whether it's true. Sadly I don't find the quoted source trustworthy on this particular matter, as it stems from a blog that appears to be maintained by the executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition Canada.
Being a Swiss Citizen myself I am also courious about the source of the alleged secrecy requirement. I don't think I know any law that would make this necessary. I'm actually convinced that the quoted remark is untrue, the reason being that my grandfather recently took his life and apparently the lady from EXIT told my mother quite a bit about her work. I doubt that things are that different with Dignitas.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheseusX (talk • contribs) 21:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see how this reflection is supposed to back up the statement (apparently deleted in the meantime) I drew into question. Whether they accept money or not is a different question from the question whether they require employees to maintain secrecy. Most companies and even most foundations accept money (e.g. from clients or members); few forbit their employees to speak about the workings of the company/foundation (think of a supermarket-chain: the shop-assistants can talk as much as they like about their work).TheseusX (talk) 01:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  à propos 

message: I have added some references.
The title for this section is incorrect- Dignitas are not a euthanasia group since this is not legal in Switzerland. The correct title should be, Dignitas (assisted dying group). Would contributers agree to moving the page to this new title?
--Claud Regnard (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agreed. In fact, 'euthanasia group' is pretty much the opposite of their mission, and is hardly an impartial title. -98.154.249.46 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

text: The title is wrong, misleading and not neutral: Dignitas is an Assisted Suicide organization. Euthanasia means something completely different. How is an article title changed? AlexL (talk) 13:27, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References and Title 

message: One part of the article says "Ludwig Minelli said in one interview [4] in March 2008 that Dignitas had thus far assisted 840 people, 60% of them Germans."
Another part states "As of October 2008, approximately 1000 British citizens had travelled to Switzerland from the UK to die at one of Dignitas' rented apartments in Zurich." (this is not referenced).
Of course, the first one is from March 2008 and the second one is from October 2008, but still it seems extremely unlikely to me that if in March 2008 Dignitas had helped 840 people, of which 60% were Germans (so at most a few hundred Britons), seven months later the number had been as many as 1,000. Sure it's possible that some of those Britons had chickened out (though if a significant part of them cancelled their plans, it should probably be mentioned), but overall it doesn't seem to add up.
DiamonDie (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers don't seem to add up 

message: What does "Afterward, Pratchett immediately announced that he had obtained applications from Dignitas, and is currently weighing his decision." mean? What does 'to obtain applications' mean? This is not a standard English construction, and 'Afterward' should be corrected to 'Afterwards'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.180.117 (talk) 14:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification needed 

message: In the "Patient Selection" heading, a (new?) organization, called Exit, is referred to several times.  Nowhere previous in the article is it explained what Exit is or how it is related to Dignitas.  Does anyone know? gnfnrf (talk) 01:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exit? 

message: I have no idea what a snippet attached to a dead link is doing here.  Most people have heard of Dignitas but not of Exit.  Seems a bit like opportunistic (and very distasteful) wp:advertising  
If there are no objections within a few days I'll remove it.  JRPG (talk) 16:15, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Exit as not [[wp:notable]] 

message: While the term 'Final Solution' might seem a little strong or direct to some, it does help to highlight some of the dis-information and BS used by this highly questionable/objectionable little group. For it is worrying that Wikipedia is putting all this effort into promoting a group with Nazi-like views. Also, why call it 'assisted dying', when the law calls it (what it really is) 'murder'?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.4.176 (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dignitas and the modern Final Solution 

message: I was told through correspondence with Dignitas that they have been unable to assist people with mental illness since 2009. There was a court case going on to challenge that, but I don't know how that resolved. At least around 2011 they were still unable to help people with major depression or paranoid schizophrenia, etc. I got the impression they could still aid suicide for dementia sufferers, so maybe they didn't class it as a mental illness. Can anyone clear this up?
- Elijah  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.204.111.61 (talk) 17:10, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mental illness? 

message: JAY AND I THANK YOU  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.173.216 (talk) 02:05, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  THANK YOU  

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message: Have you got any information booklets you could send me Haymanp (talk) 07:10, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but this is not a website for Dignitas.  It's merely an encyclopedia with general information on many subjects.  You would have to contact Dignitas directly for information booklets.  History Lunatic (talk) 03:44, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: Say it again "non-profit members". Non-profit, really?
Sorry, I don't like to weight the cost of death, but dignitas is simply a institution to make money! Simply compare what is the amount to dye: "exit" vs "dignitas".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.202.181.251 (talk) 00:42, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-profit members 

message: I'm fairly ignorant of the workings of this platform, but trying to learn, so please bear with me and help if possible... 
I am brought here because of the present re-interest due to Baroness Meacher's bill currently going through parliament and would a. like to be able to read everything in the article and b. for it to be as accurate as possible with reference to the ongoing debate. 
I am getting a missing doc & not available return when I try to open Docs associated with note 15 - problems experienced by Dignitas and local people 'over the years' can this be fixed, can I fix it? Also would it be fair to mention here the massive majority when the Swiss canton that Dignitas exists in was polled as to allowing assisted dying for its own citizens and foreign nationals?
21% of people receiving assisted suicide in Dignitas do not have a terminal or progressive illness, but rather "weariness of life".[10]
Is this representative of the fuller details? In the data table of the document noted, the 21% figure is actually labelled 'non-fatal illnesses' from where in the reference document is this inferred to mean 'weariness of life'?
Declaration of interest: yes, I am biased towards Dignity in living; Dignity in Dying, yes, I think 'Suicide' is an outmoded history laden term, with images of people hanging themselves, throwing themselves in front of trains, etc., yes I do know that the Law and debate in this and most countries uses 'suicide' rather than the modern term... (and encourages an irrational taboo, rather conveniently for the establishment)
Best, SoundFlyer  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoundFlyer (talk • contribs) 11:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reading/review in Feb 2022 

message: Here's the wording of the 16th reference for this article (emphasis via boldface is mine):
:Fischer S. Huber CA. Imhof L. Mahrer Imhof R. Furter M. Ziegler SJ. Bosshard G. Suicide assisted by two Swiss right-to-die organization's, example zalia cyrilia an African was suffering from cancer only paid 2000 to get killed. Journal of Medical Ethics. 2008; 34(11):810-4
For one thing, this paper is cited in reference #10, so this should just direct to that reference and cite the appropriate page; I'd make that change myself, but I don't wish to pay the $40 it would cost to download the entire text of the paper (rather than just the abstract) just to track down the page.
But the most glaring problem is the wording "only paid 2000 to get killed." Euthanasia is a crime in Switzerland (as it is everywhere, as far as I know). Assisted suicide is just that; the means of suicide are provided, but the act is performed by the individual, always.
This reeks of bias. Ormewood (talk) 19:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I eliminated this reference; it was redundant anyway, since it referred to exactly the same source as reference #10. I did find a copy of the paper; nowhere in it was any reference to "Zalia Cyrilia," so the note attached to the reference was evidently just some extemporaneous editorializing. Ormewood (talk) 19:02, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable wording of reference