Talk:Barrick Gold

message: This article make clear statements in the section on Pascua Lama about what the mining practises will be, which are in clear conflict with the published positions of both Barrick and the Chilean government.  No sources have been referenced to validate the environmental claims against the Pascua Lama mine.  Rather than repeating the discussion on this issue, please look at the talk page for Pascua_Lama.
This article has clearly been written from an anti-mining perspective ignoring to gather Barrick's status and the most powerful gold companies and one of the more enviro-cooperative. The information on Pascua Lama is just plain wrong. Someone needs to fix this.
disagreed and no, its poorly written but more or less correct.
:Which means absolutely nothing without sources. This is an article on the company, not a "see who can list the most poorly-written criticisms" contest.--DMCer™ 23:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of whether or not the information is correct, the whole article is just a detailed list of things that Barrick has done wrong. --The Dark Side 01:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I think most of use agree.  I'll try to get to it when I get a chance, but I'm pretty busy at the moment.  That'd be great if someone can go ahead and move all the NPOV info to a new article about the environmental criticisms or the like.  That pretty much includes everything after the intro, though some paragraphs towards the bottom discussing the company's acquisitions can be left in the main article. —DMCer™ 05:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cleaned it up per our discussions. 90% of it was actually pasted directly from environmental activist sites. It's archived here.—DMCer™ 08:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagged as being non Neutral Point of View 

message: I reverted the following reference that was added by a user with IP 99.199.11.236, which doesn't seem to support the claim about research at Porgera:
Canadian Geotechnical Journal, 2005, Vol 42(2): 327-339, "Self-weight consolidation of mixtures of mine waste rock and tailings" - Author: Wickland, Benjamin E.; Wilson, G W
First of all, the article doesn't mention Barrick. It does mention Porgera and Placer Dome in the Acknowledgements section, but as far as I can see it doesn't mention how these are related to the topic of the article; and is written a year before Barrick took over Placer Dome. If there is something I have missed, please enlighten me, but otherwise this seems to be just an article about a mining technique which may or may not be related to Barrick at all.--Anderssl (talk) 17:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Porgera research claim 

message: "The historical record of these types of projects in Chile and the companies' real-world ability to meet legal environmental constraints makes the processing of residual-waste a point of contention. The inability or unwillingness of local authorities to stand up to spills and breaches of environmental requirements is well known and another key point of disagreement with opponents to the project.
The recent approval (as of 2000-2009, during the Lagos and Bachelet presidecies [35] ) of many controversial projects such as large mines, dams for power generation, huge salmon farms, forestry, etc. in spite of many legal and environmental concerns, again question the ability or willingness of the Chilean Government to address local communities concerns' when clashing with large corporations and perceived economic benefits [36].
These issues have recently even been criticized by the OECD as major impediments for Chile being able to join the 'elite club' of developed countries[37]."
In my view these additions are irrelevant to the article.  They do not address Pascua-Lama or anything about the entry.  Previous material has been deleted on these grounds.  Thoughts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Don'tDoWindows (talk • contribs) 00:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, these paragraphs should either be rephrased to address the Pascua Lama project specifically, with approrpiate references, or they should be removed. --Anderssl (talk) 00:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off topic? 

message: Deleted:  However controversy is still rampant as to the real environmental impact, as  mine exploration has already been linked to a 56 to 70 % depletion in the three glaciers nearest to the mine site. 
A citation was called for almost a year ago... it would seem to me if it is this specific it should also be verified with a source.
It's been several years and nobody has added citations to a couple of lines. Does anyone want to do it or should they be removed?
* Criticisms include poisonous spills of cyanide, mercury and other heavy metals, leading to environmental damage and the poisoning of human populations.[citation needed] 
* In several countries, Barrick Gold has been accused of violating human rights, and its employees charged with crimes.
Joeywonder (talk) 10:18, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  long overdue citation 

message: "The historical record of these types of projects in Chile and the companies' real-world ability to meet legal environmental constraints makes the processing of residual-waste a point of contention. The inability or unwillingness of local authorities to stand up to spills and breaches of environmental requirements is well known and another key point of disagreement with opponents to the project. 
The recent approval (as of 2000-2009, during the Lagos and Bachelet presidecies  Ricardo Lagos, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Lagos and Michelle  Bachelet, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Bachelet ) of many controversial projects such as large mines, dams for power generation, huge salmon farms, forestry, etc. in spite of many legal and environmental concerns, again question the ability or willingness of the Chilean Government to address local communities concerns' when clashing with large corporations and perceived economic benefits  Environmental Issues in Southern Chile, http://www.allsouthernchile.com/southern-chile-environmental-issues.html. 
These issues have recently even been criticized by the OECD as major impediments for Chile being able to join the 'elite club' of developed countries Chile, Environmental Problems May Impede Entry to OECD, http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-7489056/CHILE-ENVIRONMENTAL-PROBLEMS-MAY-IMPEDE.html."
All very interesting context about Chile's economy and political situation, but better suited I think to an entry on Chile's economy or the Bachelet or Lagos presidencies.  Does not stirke me as bearing directly on the Pascua-Lama project (except possibly by implication, which raises questions about NPOV.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by WalterMittyBagehotII (talk • contribs) 10:44, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  content relevant?  

message: He's one of the main investors at BG.--Ruouester (talk) 14:48, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Shareholders come and go, even the big ones, I don't think, they should be mentioned in general. However, giving Bushes high profile as a former US President, if you got a reliable source for this information, you should definetly add it! Calistemon (talk) 14:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why George H.W. Bush isn't mentioned here? 

message: The material deleted reads like activists are writing the article again which is not what Wikipedia is for.  Having followed the links I see nothing that suggests the web sites in question have a reputation (or published standards) for fact-checking and accuracy or a professional structure in place for content checking that meets the accepted measures of verifiability or standing as a reliable source as outlined in Wikipedia:Verifiability I have moved this content here because it appears to clearly fail to meet Wikipedia's verifiability standards and is better tabled for discussion purposes.   
"Critics site that this participation in a wildlife refuge is mere greenwash and it is especially insulting as the main demand of the local landowners association is for the resettlement of people away from the mine site to a new area where they can live a subsistence lifestyle.
The Porgera Landowners Association, who own 2.5% of the mine, and the Akali Tange Association, the Porgera-based human rights organization that has been reporting on the abuses near the Porgera Mine since 2003, joined forces in 2008 to become the Porgera Alliance. This coalition traveled to Barrick's Annual General meeting to voice their demands of the company, an have returned every year since.
One of the most well-publicized abuses at the Porgera Mine is the burning of houses near the mine site. Barrick housed police who – based on situation reports from Barrick Gold – burnt down an entire hillside of houses adjacent to their Porgera Mine. Barrick initially denied these allegations, remarking that it was their understanding that 50 temporary shacks were tore down. But, a follow-up Amnesty report, released in January 2010 showed evidence of at least 130 permanent houses burnt down, while villagers were beaten, harassed, and detained.
In Tanzania, there have been two reports confirming lasting negative effects of a toxic spill in Tanzania that occurred last May. The latest report, commissioned by an interfaith committee in Tanzania and written by scientists from Norwegian University if Life Sciences and the University of Dar es Salam, found potential life threatening levels of arsenic around Barrick’s North Mara mine in Tanzania. The study investigated the area around the tailing dam and the site of an accidental spill that occurred on May 9, 2009. Despite that fact that these areas were tested four to seven months after the spill, this study shows that the water remains toxic for human consumption and grazing use. According to Evans Rubara of the Christian Council of Tanzania, "Following the spill in May, 203 people became ill, 43 people died, and 1358 livestock died according to the Ward authorities in North Mara.” Barrick responded to the report criticizing the integrity of the science, to which the authors responded with a detailed defense of their methodology."
And
"The Pascua Lama project is also plagued by a lawsuit by the Diaguita Huascoaltinos Indigenous community against the Chilean  state, recently admitted by the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. Their claim states that the government not only violated the Diaguita's Free, Prior, and Informed Consent (FPIC), but they also did not consider comments submitted by their community in the Environmental Assessment Process of the Mine. The claim also states that Barrick's claim to land on and near the Pascua Lama project on the border of Chile and Argentina relies on a series of fraudulent land claims to collectively held-Diaguita Huascoaltinos land.  The Diaguita Huascoaltinos also initiated two lawsuits against Barrick  in Chile, seeking to slow down and stop Barrick's mining and exploration  on their land."
  
There are no citations in the content that revert to reliable published sources. Above all, there is no attempt to add any content that provides either counterbalance to the claims, or if there is none, confirms the claims.  This is basic NPOV and suggests that the content is activist driven, as the discussion page indicates it has been in the past.  The sites used as sources more closely match Wikipedia's definition of Questionable sources rather than Reliable sources.  The Questionable sources section states "they are generally unsuitable for citing contentious claims about third parties."  Activists in my opinion are sincere people generally but I feel very strong Wikipedia is an encylopedia, not a platform to advance opinion or agendas.  Unless the content can fully meet established Wiki standards for verifiability, reliable sourcing and NPOV I don't feel it should stand.  WalterMittyBagehot3 (talk) 09:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent additions read like activists have been using the article again 

message: I came across this: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/02/01/papua-new-guinea-serious-abuses-barrick-gold-mine
These look like the important bits:
* "Private security personnel employed at a gold mine in Papua New Guinea have been implicated in alleged gang rapes and other violent abuses, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today."
* "Barrick has responded with appropriate vigor to the allegations brought forward by Human Rights Watch. The company opened a major internal investigation, facilitated a criminal investigation by the Papua New Guinea police, and made a commitment to take steps that could strengthen oversight and accountability for the security force at Porgera."
...is Human Rights Watch a reliable source?  There are also several other news articles that mention the HRW report. Dracunculus (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, HRW are an RS but the statements should be attributed to them. They've been through the RS noticeboard several times. Citing the news articles about the HRW report would help to show that it's notable too. Sean.hoyland - talk 03:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  HRW report on human rights abuses at Porgera 

message: Seeking opinion on deleting some of the external links at the bottom of the page which on the basis of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links “…Links mainly intended to promote a website, including online petitions” as well considering Wikipedia criteria outlined in Sources that are usually not reliable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS#Self-published_sources (see Questionable Sources and Self-Published Sources.)  No indication about fact checking or editorial standards/processes for content on these sites either. Suggest the deletion of the last five considering those criteria but again seeking opinions. WalterMittyBagehotII (talk) 10:48, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it, and only keep a few, official ones. Calistemon (talk) 23:50, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
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message: To fellow editors in good faith I believe I have removed the edits subject to Conflict of Interest made by JimmyGOZ. Some edits from JimmyGOZ were retained as useful. I believe the article does have PoV issues, but it would be contentious for me to involve myself further. I encourage future editors to bring balance by adding meaningful, referenced content.
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