Talk:Metroidvania

message: I disagree with deletion for this article.  Several articles link here (I count 16 real articles).  I think it's more constructive to mark it as a stub if the content is too sparse.  More content could definitely be added (such as comparisons between the different games to show their similarities to Super Metroid, or other games with similarities), but I don't have the resources for that right now.  That's the purpose of a stub, right? Kcumming 15:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion from 2007 

message: Mostly for  Keep in mind that any red-linked games need a third-party reliable source to include on this list. (Blue-linked games we presumably can affirm on the game's page for sources). --MASEM (t) 17:38, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A note on the game table 

message: Should metroidvania be considered a proper noun, and therefore capitalized? It seems like it would be more of a generic trademark at this point, but maybe the sources disagree. Thoughts? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been treating it as such , even though I see more sources of late using the lower-case term. I think we need more time to assess if it becomes more accepted as lower case, and stick with upper/proper case for now. (Contrast to "roguelike" which has dropped the capitalization long ago). --MASEM (t) 22:50, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper noun 

message: For anyone interested, the list I made last year that was formerly at this page can now be found on my userpage, along with an enormous number of sources that I gathered for that purpose. Feel free to make use of it as you will. Phediuk (talk) 09:30, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Why you don't make it as a separate article like List of Metroidvania games? I think the topic is notable enough. --Wario-Man (talk) 10:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  He just said it had been deleted!  And that's what a category is for. — Smuckola(talk) 00:50, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We have Lists of video games#By genre and Metroidvania fits there. --Wario-Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Metroidvania games 

message: In 1985 Sorcery+ was released on Amstrad CPC. The game features similar gameplay, such as obtaining keys for opening doors and also a lot of back tracking. See http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Sorcery_%2B.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:598:80A5:284E:C83D:638D:B9A7:2D0C (talk) 23:19, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorcery+ 

message: To quote the text before it "Specifically, the term derives from the Castlevania title Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and many of the games in the franchise which come after it, which are generally considered to contain certain aspects of gameplay comparable to that of the Metroid series of games. As such, the term is used to invoke gameplay concepts and mechanics similar to that of these two series." Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is a 1997 game running on the Playstation. The Playstation, as we have it, is from generation five out of eight generation consoles. 
To quote the article further on: "With the releases of Super Metroid and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, the formula these games presented would form the foundations of what are considered Metroidvanias today. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night had also become a critical and financial success over time, establishing that there was a desire by players for Metroidvania-style games." Thus a 1994 release on a fourth generation console, and a 1997 release on a fifth generation console formed the foundation. Both of these were critical and financial successes; how can there be a resurgence in the 2000s if the foundation games were a critical success in the 1990s? How can it be popularized in the early console generations if the foundations were fourth and fifth generation games?
 "This is a generalized statement on broad historical perspective." does not answer that in any sense.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:36, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I consider a fifth gen console to be an early console generation given what we have now, but I can see the confusion issue. I reworked it to be more exacting on the year timing (1990s verses newer 2000s devs). --Masem (t) 00:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Though popularized during the early console generations, the genre saw a resurgence starting in the 2000s" 

message: To the IP that is trying to include the USENET post:
# USENET posts are user-generated content and thus not reliable, we can't use them.
# On the basis of the claim that it may be the first documented use of "metroidvania", that's original research since its impossible from that alone to prove it is the first use of the term anywhere. We rely on secondary sources to provide us origins or first-uses as best they can research since we cannot do that research ourselves.
# Where you are changing this is not where it is relevant. Let's assume that "metroidvania" first was used after Circle of the Moon came out, for all purposes. That doesn't change the fact that in its genre's current form today, SotH is considered the first key Castlevania game that has all the defining traits of the Metroidvania genre, even though the term "Metroidvania" would not be used for some years after the game was released. This article is not making the claim that the term "Metroidvania" derived specifically from the game SotH, so it doesn't matter if it came from Circle of the Moon or not; the term is a portmanteau of the series names Metroid and Castlevania, not of any specific name. Thus, while Circle of the Moon may be blessed to be the first game to be specifically called a Metroidvania doesn't make it the first Metroidvania. --Masem (t) 14:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  On trying to include the USENET post... 

message: That term surely needs a source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.22.139 (talk) 11:12, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it does; I've taken it out as I can't confirm anything via Google for it. --Masem (t) 12:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Never heard of 'Castleroid' in my long gaming life, either. If you have castleroids, see your doctor. LkeYHOBSTorItEwA (talk) 05:43, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Search action' game? 

message: The redirect Soulsvania has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Utopes (talk / cont) 20:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Soulsvania]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: The primary addition to the action-adventure genre from Metroid was the gaining of new abilities to progress in a non-linear side-view environment. In watering down this definition over time the term "Metroidvania" is now structurally identical to the term "Action-Adventure game" and as such is no longer necessary. 
Without the side-view or platformer stipulation, the original Zelda is a Metroidvania, and without the permanent power-ups stipulation, any action game that used keys are also now Metroidvania's, even non-linear action games which gated areas until the player had certain specific items were common place in the years leading up to Metroid, such as with games like Pyjamarama in 1984. Watering down both stipulations means that Resident Evil is also a Metroidvania, along with almost the entire classic survival horror genre. This term is now meaningless. 2A00:23CC:B481:6801:B4D2:2FF7:D8DA:DD2F (talk) 13:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any reliable sources to justify those claims? Masem (t) 13:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continual thinning of the definition has made the term redundant