Talk:Thousand Character Classic

message: I have sorted the Simplified version and found four (4) duplications and one (1) missing character.
The duplications are:
NO	CHAR	1ST	TRAD	2ND	TRAD
1.	云   	33	雲	623	云
2.	发   	102	發	148	髮
3.	并   	616	并	933	並
4.	戚   	749	慼	818	戚
The missing charcter is character number 438 (traditional: 綵 cǎi).  Is the simplified version of 綵 should be 彩?
Just a question: isn't it better if the poem is actually displayed on the "Article" page instead of tucked away in this "Discussion" page?  I believe it used to be like that before.
That is all.
--61.88.94.242 03:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I consulted 3 different simplified chinese dictionaries, and they all point 彩 as the simplification of 綵. So I'll just insert this into the passage. --A10203040 15:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simplified Sorted 

message: i added the poem to the article but it messed it up so i reverted —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.46.206.230 (talk • contribs) .
:Well, for one thing, you put it inside the infobox, and for another thing Wikipedia isn't the place for original source texts. That would be Wikisource. —Keenan Pepper 22:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Including the text of the poem (title added) 

message: Does anyone know where there's an English translation online? I've been looking for one but have been unable to find it -- it would also make a great addition to the article. Frikle 03:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: english translation

message: In the Chinese wikitext of the 1000 Classic, it is broken down into sections.  Can anyone explain how it is broken down?  Is there a traditional way to divide it into sections?  Additionally, Nathan Sturman's edition mentions that it has 7 sections, but he doesn't mark where they are.Jimhoward72 (talk) 14:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Is the 1000 Classic be broken down into sections?

message: There is a translation at http://homepage2.nifty.com/seifuukai/fileboard/senjkais.txt into modern Japanese.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarB23 (talk • contribs) 11:34, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation in modern Japanese

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=geU8MwAACAAJ&dq=1000+character+classic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4QioULuVK8_J0AGRqoHgBw&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCQ
Jerezembel (talk) 22:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: NOTE: to save others some time, I checked these "sources" and am sorry to report that they were 19th century references, not WP:Reliable Sources. ch (talk) 05:21, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources on the thousand character classic 

message: The very beginning of this text is about astronomy. So 玄 and 黄 should refer to the color of the sky (天) and the land (地), respectively.
I think 玄 means "black" and 黄 means "yellow". Both use their original literal meaning. Culture is mentioned in later chapters.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.203.163.103 (talk) 07:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The meaning of 玄 and 黄. 

message: 千字文釋句 By 周興嗣
增註三千字文 By 補拙居士, 姜岳
千字文
https://archive.org/details/pgcommunitytexts24184gut
https://archive.org/details/pgcommunitytexts24075gut
Rajmaan (talk) 06:28, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  千字文 

message: The various methods of transcription in the article are inconsistent and really don't make sense. The first paragraph is a good example of this:
:Thousand Character Classic  () is a Chinese poem used as a primer for teaching Chinese characters to children. It contains exactly one thousand unique characters. It is said that Emperor Wu of the Liang Dynasty (r. 502–549) commissioned 周興嗣 (pinyin: Zhou Xingsi, jyutping: Zau1 Hing3 Zi6) to compose this poem for his prince to practice calligraphy.  The original title of the poem was 《次韻王羲之書千字》 and it is sung in the same way in which children learning Latin alphabet writing do with the "alphabet song".
Instances from this paragraph of text that is transcribed or that should be are as follows:
# The Thousand Character Classic (千字文)
# 周興嗣 (pinyin: Zhou Xingsi, jyutping: Zau1 Hing3 Zi6)
# 《次韻王羲之書千字》
The first example gives an English translation followed by Hanzi characters in parenthesis with no romanization.
The second example gives in-line Hanzi characters followed by two different romanizations within parenthesis. The second of these romanizations is Jyutping, which is not one of the two romanization schemes (Hanyu Pinyin and Wade-Giles) recommended by [Wikipedia's guidelines]. If Jyutping is to be used, there should be some justification given for it in the Talk page. (For example, if Jyutping is more appropriate because a particular individual or publication's name is more recognizable in Cantonese, this may be a valid reason for including a Jyutping romanization, but Pinyin may also be used to represent Cantonese pronunciations directly.) Furthermore, Wikipedia's guidelines recommend italicizing romanized Chinese to distinguish it from natively-Roman text, which is not done within this paragraph.
The third example gives the original title of the poem, but does not provide an English translation or romanization of any kind. If this information is to be useful to readers of an English-language article, it should at the very least include an English translation, preferably as the first in-line element, followed by the Hanzi characters within parenthesis and possibly by a romanization (one of the two recommended varieties) as well. If a translation or transcription cannot be supplied, this information may need to be removed from the article.
Finally, elsewhere in the article, Jyutping and Pinyin transcriptions are given sometimes with the Jyutping transcription first, and other times with the Pinyin transcription first. If Jyutping is to be included at all, it should likely be second to the recommended (Pinyin) transcription system, and in any case, the order of the two should be consistent throughout the article.
Andrew John Bayles (talk) 20:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many pages just as in nead of attention as this one on Wikipedia. Be bold and make changes where you see fit. Rincewind42 (talk) 07:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent transcription 

message: I have been looking for the best "version" of this poem. I found 3 versions and none of them agree. I created a comparison between the Wikipedia Traditional version above, against Cambridgehttp://www.camcc.org/_media/reading-group/qianziwen-en.pdf and Project Gutenberg https://www.gutenberg.org/files/24075/24075-0.txt versions.
In defense of the Wikipedia version above, each character is unique. That said, I don't understand why some characters are in use in the Wikipedia version. Example character #554 seems particularly incorrect to me. I am putting this out for a review by the Wikipedia community in case a substantial error or area for improvement is found in the Wikipedia version above. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable in Chinese to determine if any of the characters in the Wikipedia version are incorrect. Perhaps somebody watching this page can give an assist? 
Char. No., Project Gutenburg, Cambridge, Wikipedia, Issue
30, 召, 呂, 呂, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
48, 崗, 岡, 岡, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
64, 薑, 姜, 薑, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
66, 鹹, 咸, 鹹, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
82, 製, 制, 制, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
97, 吊, 弔, 弔, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
103, 殷, 殷, 商, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
123, 壹, 一, 壹, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
132, 樹, 竹, 竹, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
164, 絜, 絜, 潔, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
198, 贊, 讚, 讚, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
205, 剋, 克, 克, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
234, 辟, 璧, 璧, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
241, 資, 資, 資, Project G. duplicates "資", 241 & 654, differs from Cambridge/Wiki
264, 清, 凊, 清, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
301, 籍, 藉, 籍, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
360, 枝, 根, 枝, Cambridge duplicates "根", 360 & 770, differs from Project G./Wiki
395, 誌, 志, 志, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
428, 鬱, 郁, 鬱, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
438, 彩, 彩, 綵, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
457, 升, 升, 陞, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
483, 鐘, 鍾, 鐘, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
524, 實, 實, 實, Project G. duplicates "實", 524 & 567
554, 迴, 回, 迥, All 3 versions are mismatched
558, 感, 感, 感, Project G. duplicates "感", 558 & 749
567, 實, 寔, 寔, Project G. duplicates "實", 524 & 567, differs from Cambridge/Wiki
617, 嶽, 岳, 嶽, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
619, 琠, 泰, 泰, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
620, 岐, 岱, 岱, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
621, I, 禪, 禪, Project G. differs from Cambridge/Wiki
645, 岩, 岩, 巖, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
654, 資, 茲, 茲, Project G. duplicates "資", 241 & 654, differs from Cambridge/Wiki
662, 藝, 藝, 蓺, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
693, 鑒, 鑒, 鑑, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
703, 祗, 祗, 祇, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
749, 感, 慼, 慼, Project G. duplicates "感", 558 & 749, differs from Cambridge/Wiki
767, 早, 蚤, 早, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
770, 根, 根, 根, Cambridge duplicates "根", 360 & 770
776, 颯, 搖, 颻, All 3 versions are mismatched
778, 鯤, 鵾, 鯤, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
787, 玩, 玩, 翫, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
813, 饑, 飢, 饑, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
827, 績, 績, 織, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
829, 侍, 待, 侍, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
836, 潔, 潔, 絜, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
849, 弦, 弦, 絃, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
852, 宴, 宴, 讌, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
871, 烝, 烝, 蒸, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
881, 箋, 箋, 牋, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
915, 僚, 僚, 遼, Wikipedia differs from Project G./Cambridge
933, 並, 竝, 並, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
953, 璇, 璿, 璇, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
980, 莊, 庄, 莊, Cambridge differs Project G./Wiki
Revmachine21 (talk) 02:10, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison and Reconciliation Against Other Versions