Talk:Slipknot (band)/Archive 4

message: Not once have I heard where they got their name from.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.80.214 (talk) 10:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well they most likely take it from the slip knot. Zouavman Le Zouave 16:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: hey i added thrash metal & metalcore to the genre list but someone deleted it. Guys i[or we] need support on this i thought you guyz would fight for it. COME ON User:Megastrike14
PEOPLE GO EASY ON ME. DON'T BOMBARD ME WITH CRITICSMS IM ONLY EXPRESSING MY OPINION But Slipknot (to me) are to serious of a band to be Nu Metal, their Rapcore stuff is in the past now, their musics quite thrashy and heavy, their lyrics have dark subjects, are insulting, serious and very loud and screamish so does anyone think they sound more like a thrash metal/Metalcore band rather than a Nu Metal/Rapcore band coz Limp Bizkit is Nu Metal/ Rapcore and Slipknot sound much better and don't sound anything like them, however Killswitch Engage, Metalcore band sound quite similar to these guy's don't u think. PLEASE EXPRESS UR OPINIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM TO POST SOMETHIN PERMANENT ON THE ARTICLE PAGE ABOUT THRASH METAL/METALCORE- User talk AHVAZI
The guitarr riffs is NOT uncomplicated, the introducions of songs like disasterpiece,eeyore,before i forget and blister exists is incredibly hard to play.
But the fact they got a dj is from the time they actually were true nu-metal.
But they are no more, they could not do like this: sorry sid we are no longer nu-metal,
you have to leave us now bye bye. In fact, i don't belive that one of the 50 most brutal metal bands should be nu-metal. In interviews Paul gray and Corey have even said they HATE nu-metal.
:: While Slipknot is definitely practicing elements of thrash and metalcore I'd definitely say they're nu-metal (DJ + turntables, only the occasional guitar solo, bass-heavy, uncomplicated guitar riffs, the fact they cite Korn and Limp Bizkit as their inspiration). Why are you guys so horrified by the nu metal tag? They're still heavy as fuck.
Finally, somebody who agrees with me that Thrash-Metal should be added to their genre! Ahvazi, feel free to talk to me, dude.
Dark Executioner 00:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Metalcore should be defenitly added--Sheish 6 Sheish 03:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash Metal/Metalcore 

message: I always see the lyrics to wait and bleed say "I've felt the hate rise up in me" As hard as I listen, I still hear "I felt the air assaulting me" This would also make sense since the song may be about a guy slitting his wrists. When the skin suffers a deep cut ie:slitting of the wrists, the air can irritate the wound. If feels like the air is assaulting you.
-skamd12
hahahahha this is beacuse corey taylor barely pronounces the "h"... if you litsen in any of their slongs he prononces the "h" but you should chek out the lyrics, perhaps, by buying the album. Oh! and he sounds more like "I felt the ate rise up in me" =]Acurate Sheishop!!!
Another fun thing is teh eyeless lyrics in the begining it sounds like ínside, money only mother fucker windowpane and the refrain: you get to california with a man, ponchosyde.
But the end is like oh my god, it sounds like do me in my but now or something.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.178.77 (talk) 10:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wait and Bleed Lyrics 

message: i got a question... why in vishnus hairy ass are slipknot mostly ranked as nu metal?
They're so little no-metal they can become, sure the first album had a few songs that i should classify as nu-metal, but not much more.
Nu-metalist never growl and absolutly raps a lot more wich corey quited with in the first album,whay is that about anyway?
:I suggest stopping by the metal archives (or google Encyclopedia Metallum) for questions on why they class as numetal and not another genre. As said elsewhere, wikipedia is not a forum for discussion. If you can provide links to a reliable source or two, we may go on and change it. However, the chance of this seems slim since most sources do refer to them as numetal. -Motleh 05:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is WP:FORUM relevant here? It's a discussion on how to improve the article. 86.6.17.37 15:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Bringing up WP:Forum is not relevant here, I agree.  Calling Slipknot simply a metal band is not fair, also see  for further info. 63.85.214.4 19:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: nu metal?

message: Shouldn't Slipknot be at least partially classified as thrash metal? On Vol. 3, you can hear the thrash influences on such tracks as "The Blister Exists" and "Before I Forget." They credited Slayer as a strong influence on that album. Moreover, they have stated that they would like to expand upon thrash metal riffing on their upcoming 4th album. Dark Executioner 15:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of any thrash inspired riffing, they're not thrash metal. The rapping vocals, DJ scratches, (mostly) lacking solos, as well as a different song structure completely deny them the chance of being thrash. -Nonviolence 12:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Could, but won't most likely. You don't just change your sound all of a sudden unless you're Metallica. -Nonviolence 23:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash Metal 

message: I'd suggest to delete this section. First because it's a long section, second because it's manly useless for the comprehension of the article. There might be a line about their performances, but we don't probably need a "fan site" section here. I would remove this myself, but it's quite a big section, so I though it would be better to bring this to talk. män-et-arms 00:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the idea of deletion. The section seems like extraneous fan cruft. In the grand scheme of things, none of the injuries seem significant. Also, it's almost an exact copypaste from a fansite listed as a source. I'm actually going to delete the section myself. --Wildnox(talk) 01:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you, boy =)män-et-arms 01:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Injuries section 

message: "Their early work hosted a large range of vocal styles, ranging from rapping to grindcore-esque growling. In more recent work, this vocal style remains present, but has expanded to include melodic singing and guitar riffs. "
OK, first of all guitar riffs are NOT a vocal style. And also, they've always had singing, since Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat (see "Killers are Quiet"), and if it only refers to since Corey was vocalist (don't see why it should) then listen to say, Wait and Bleed or No Kind of Life, from the self-titled album, notice how both songs feature melodic vocals. 62.255.33.221 20:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocal Style 

message: Okay. I think this should be taken out of the genre list. First, anyone who listens to SlipKnoT, knows they aren't Nu-Metal. Limp Bizkit, KorN, are Nu-Metal. They don't sound anything like them. So, to satisfies us maggots, take this out. it's not creidible, and makes slipknot look like n00bs.
Crinkham 05:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many sources that back up that Slipknot are a nu-metal band – what is written in our articles is defined by verifiable and reliable sources and not by popular demand, or what fans think. (spebi · talk) 10:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

text: As said by Spebi before, it's not your opinion that changes something. Verifiable and reliable sources are what can change information here. -Motleh 05:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Metal is slang for Heavy Metal. I assume you're going by what the band says because they've called themselves "metal-metal" and said "like Slayer", which means not only do they not take into account subgenres of "metal", but they expect you to do the same. Pardon me if I seem judgmental, but "metal" is subjective. It can mean anything. I refer to Death Metal bands like Bolt Thrower as "metal", but they're not classed as "metal". "Metal" indicates anything under Heavy Metal. Numetal, by definition, is classed as "metal" even though (in my opinion) it doesn't sound it. Despite this long refutation of what you say, Wikipedia is not a forum. -Motleh 05:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is WP:FORUM relevant here? It's a discussion on how to improve the article. ≈ Maurauth (Ravenor) 15:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu Metal 

message: There is a bit of vandalism on this page, but I can't access it to change it; it is invisible in the edit article page Talk User:Fissionfox 01:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is it? --Wildnox(talk) 01:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Alternative Metal? Slipknot is not alternative metal. SoaD is alternative metal. Not slipknot.Mezmerizer 01:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet again, it's not our opinion that matters. Sources say Slipknot is Alternative Metal and we have to go with that. FYI: Alternative Metal refers to anything that can't be classed into normal heavy metal subgenres, excluded from such are numetal, funk metal, etc. -Motleh 05:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternative Metal?

message: Who the fuck said that Green Day is Punk Rock???
Why is this on a Slipknot talk page?
*User 1: Green Day is commonly classed as Punk Rock and Pop Punk, so someone went with the former I suppose.
*User 2: The feuds section involves Green Day.
Also: Sign comments guys. -Motleh 17:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feuds 

message: I reverted the article to a July 13th revision, due to someone taking out the genre numetal and leaving the links. Remember, before removing any information check to see if it has a reliable source... Which numetal does. Otherwise, carry on! -Motleh 21:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not the same Slipknot! That EP was released in 1989 and is from a totally different band.  (Rezter 11:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted 

message: there a ep that was relised before Corey Taylor joined slipknot call slipknot joined the band track list is 
* let it show
* help you think
* condemned
*world leader
* hate in bule
* no.9
its avealaby from Itunes i cant find much info on it tho
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=252733101&s=143444
:That is not the same Slipknot! That EP was released in 1989 and is from a totally different band.  (Rezter 11:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: slipknot ep

message: In the collaborators section. Some smart ass put "Marilyn Manson - Sean McMahon & Joey Jordison remixed his/her hit "The Fight Song.""
1. Sign your post
2. Isn't Joey a drummer?
However, good point. 
Thundermaster367 12:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The manson bit  

message: Okay.  Even if most of you don't think of SlipKnoT as Nu Metal now, the fact of the matter is, that is how they became famous and that is what they will always be known is.  I'm not bashing Slipknot, as a matter of fact, I am a fan.  But the truth of the matter is Slipknot will always be reconized as a Nu Metal band.  I honestly believe that the reason many of you wish to argue this is because you don't like the term Nu Metal being used to describe a band you like.  Well, Slipknot is Nu Metal.  I listen to Nu Metal.  I'm actually proud of that fact.  While they do not sound like Korn or Limp Bizkit, that makes them no less Nu Metal.  Nu Metal comes from many different influences.  Nu Metal isn't always an insult.  I bet if you look, you can even find sources of them calling themselves Nu Metal.
Iamanadam 16:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually heard that corey taylor and slipknot were also influenced by drum n bass music. Technically i dont think their nu metal. But generally, yes there nu metal. This is shown by the down tuned setup and the dj and sampler. Portillo 00:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure about Corey Taylor personally, but it's clear that Sid brings elements of Drum and Bass & Jungle. I feel the argument of genres is always pointless, as personally I think they are based quite heavily on opinion. I think they have been group in to this genre as they were around about the time this genre was becoming big and they didn't exactly fit in to a genre, Nu Metal isn't hardly a strict genre either. (Rezter 05:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu Metal 

message: You've recently nominated Slipknot as a good article, but I don't think that in its current state, it stands much of a chance. I'm not going to pass or fail it or anything, but there are some changes you definitely need to make. You can see the changes I've made to it, which are mainly just quick fixes. However, you have a few other issues to address. 
#The injuries section is straight up WP:TRIVIA, which will probably get you nowhere. I saw a raw external link somewhere, which is most of the time a no-no. 
#The bolding of the collaborators goes against Wikipedia style.
#Look at references 26 and 27.
#Any references to websites should be done using  templates, which I can see isn't consistent.
A dick of a reviewer might quick-fail the article on these points, but I'm just going to bring them to your attention so you stand a chance. If you don't address them though, this article will fail. Seegoon 12:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead-in can also be expanded to at least two paragraphs. Spellcast 00:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article nomination 

message: who the hel thinks that slipknot is grindcore? they don't even have a source I'm gonna delete this from the genere box
:I deleted it seconds ago. It was probably just a user testing out the system, or just changing it for fun, probably not serious. I wouldn't worry about it. :) -Motley <SUP>a b c qu</SUP> 19:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dark Executioner, what you call "grindcore drumming" is used in myriads of other rock genres (not necessarily metal). Why don't we simply accept that they are nu metal and avoid those sterile discussions? Zouavman Le Zouave 15:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  grindcore? 

message: I have to fail this article on several points. Firstly it fails WP:QFC #3, in particular the dispute with Mushroomhead is portrayed in the article as very significant yet is almost entirely unsourced.
The bands image and performance seem to be almost as important as their musical output, but this doesn't get a mention in the lead-in and in my opinion because of the way the article is constructed, the style, feuds, images and identities sub-sections, despite being a vital part of the bands persona read as borderline WP:TRIVIA. The Collaborators section even more so. It might be an idea to look at how a similar featured article like AC/DC is constructed and develop and rearrange this article on a similar basis. There is some great material here, but in my opinion it needs quite a bit of work to make WP:GA Mighty Antar 19:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA Nomination 

message: Just because MTV and some sources such as All Music Guide claim that they're metal, doesn't mean it's true. They certainly aren't lacking metal elements, but they aren't even close to being metal. Nu-metal/alternative metal, yes, but those are fusion genres, they're not actual sub-genres of metal. They are not heavy metal, death metal, or thrash metal. I think a basic understanding of what metal is would solve that.
do you understand what metal is??
they arnet labeled as metal.
MYV is shit, they cut parts of video clips because its "too" violent n other bullcrap
all music guide claims theyre are nu metal
and they have elements of thrash, Slayer big influence for them with Vol 3, Iowa had Death metal influences.
Slipknot are Metal
end of story
no more debating what genre they are
have nu metal
rap core
what ever the hell genre on their genres
but understand and know this
they are and always have been
Metal.
Rakarno
They aren't metal. Nu-metal and alternate metal are fusion genres, not actual sub-genres. They have metal influences, but that does not make them a metal band. Of course they still aren't without certain aspects of metal. And yes, they do get labeled as metal quite often. Wrongly labeled. I don't get why people would call Slipknot death metal or thrash metal. They aren't, having influences of them isn't enough to make them qualify.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.107.225.143 (talk) 01:07, August 20, 2007 (UTC) 
yes they are metal
they arent label metal, they are label Nu metal all the time, which is wrong
so dont say shit
what are you on, seriously, make them qualify??
dude, that is a load of bullshit
they do qaulify because they are Metal.
Rakarno.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.161.88.8 (talk) 05:48, August 20, 2007 (UTC) 
Just listen to their music, it isn't metal, it's nu-metal. Many people would agree that they're not metal, because their music just has metal influences, that's about it. That's all I'm saying when I'm talking about how they don't qualify as metal. In order to be a heavy metal band, you must make heavy metal music. Which Slipknot doesn't.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs). 
Heavy metal is a fusion of blues, hard rock and other influences. Does that mean heavy metal isn't really metal? I thought not. Anything with the word "metal" in it is metal, it's just ignorant metal elitists who can't admit that the genre has changed since the days of Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc. who claim that bands like Slipknot are not metal. In the broadest of senses, Slipknot comes under metal. If you walked into a music store and wanted a metalcore album, which section would it be under? The rock section (because everyone knows that punk is a form of rock music) or the metal section? That's right, it'd be under the metal section, just as Slipknot would be. Maybe Slipknot are not classic heavy metal, but when asking if Slipknot are simply "metal", even if they have stylistic influences from other genres, Slipknot are most definitely "metal". James25402 23:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are they labeled as metal? 

message: Removed "Atreyu - Vocalist of Atreyu: Alex Varkatzas stars as a guest vocalist on the song Scissors." from the Collaborators section. There's no information of these "guest vocals" anywhere in the CD booklet of the "Slipknot" album. DreamsofTacos 17:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaborators edited 

message: In the links in the article as well as in the box that goes at the bottom of Slipknot-related articles, Mick Thompson and Mick Thomson redirect to "Slipknot_(band)".  Is this some odd error or does he no longer have an article or what?  ♠♥Evandré♦♣ 17:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mick Thompson link

message: i uploaded a new image i hope its an okay oneД narchistPig 03:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  image 

message: Why do they say that Slipknot is Emo? It's DEFINITELY NOT!!! 
I know much more emos who hate Slipnot!!
*If someone thinks SLipknot are emo, they need to have their head examined with a shotgun. That said, this is not the place for such discussion. Jasca Ducato 19:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo 

message: "Slipknot's genre is highley deabated. They have been mainly cited as Rapcore, Thrash Metal, Alternative Metal, Nu Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal and Metalcore."
Other than the obvious spelling errors in HIGHLY and DEBATED, this isn't right at all. In fact, no where have I heard them solidly called "thrash", "death", or "black" metal. Ever. EVER. And metalcore? Haha, yeah right! Metalcore is shit like Atreyu and that All That Remains shit. Slipknot is numetal, alternative metal, and rap metal. They're not metalcore (which is just as shitty), black metal, death metal, or thrash metal.
In fact, they sound nothing like the following:
*http://youtube.com/watch?v=byRQYQS6yQM (Death Metal)
*http://youtube.com/watch?v=L-cHmkTr7i0 (Black Metal)
*http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWn-KRPCWiA (Thrash Metal)
AND FURTHERMORE:
*http://youtube.com/watch?v=UvKi7rHDjp0 (Metalcore)
How in the name of FUCK does Slipknot sound like ANY OF THAT AT ALL? Answer: they don't. This is just the work of some overzealous Slipknot fans wanting to break through the "Slipknot isn't metal" barrier that is all in their heads anyway. This has no reliable sources and is probably just the work of some punk who saw an AMG review use the word Grindcore (and FYI: elements of =/= being).
This is clearly in violation of WP:V, and should be removed at once. Simple enough. YES I'M MAD, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SHIT A HUNDRED TIMES AND YOU GUYS STILL DON'T GET IT! 
Also: to those who did this... YOU ALL FUCKING SUCK!
That is all. --Motley <SUP>a b c qu</SUP> 07:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never seen them referenced as black metal, and there's no way they could be since their lyrical content is so far from the black metal movement (i.e. anti-christian, paganistic, odalistic, etc.) and they have no similarities to bands existing in the genre besides "harsh vocals" and certain composition elements.  --Notmyhandle 06:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not black metal, not death metal, not thrash metal. It's not because it's labeled such by some random guy (or even a random music critic, because nowadays, some of them don't know what they're talking about) that it necessarily belongs in the article. I like the way the infobox is right now, and I would like to congratulate the contributors for reaching such a neutral version. Zouavman Le Zouave 17:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed, they certainly have a hardcore influence, but: 1) is it important enough to be listed in the article? 2) is there a reliable source that states that they have such influence? I'm not sure it should be added; I like the way it is now, and I wouldn't want this article to undergo the gigantic discussions that the System of a Down article has gone through. Zouavman Le Zouave 21:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: dunno, maybe it should appear like "a hardcore influenced nu metal band", i think that hardcore, death, and thrash metal, but mostly hardcore are their biggest influences and reasons for their original sound, but you're right, there's no reliable source...--Sheish 6 Sheish 06:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm I seeing that you do not belive they are nu-metal, or am I seeing things, if these guys aren't nu-metal no body is. If they aren't then Godsmack most certainly is not. Skeeker [Talk] 07:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  no man, we're no saying that, we're trying to explain people that slipknot ain't death metal, but they are a nu metal band that is influences by stuff--Sheish 6 Sheish 04:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: personally, i'd still consider them metalcore.  dude, if you think they sound nothing like metalcore, you've only heard the singles.  listen to something like people=shit, then tell me they're not metalcore.  if you judge them based on vol. 3, and songs like before i forget, try again.  i know what metalcore is, after all, it's one of my fav genres (think bands like all that remains, and you'll get a good idea of what i listen to).  honestly, corey taylor is definately able to growl like any other growler.  and, their music contains heavy elements of hardcore punk, another element of metalcore.  since they're metal, and hardcore punk, and not quite thrash, why not call them metalcore?  Itachi1452 04:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Since they're metal" - Who ever said they were? They are nu metal, yes; but metal, that's another debate. Adding metalcore is pointless, they are nu metal slightly influenced by many genres and subgenres, including hardcore punk. That does not make them metalcore. Zouavman Le Zouave 06:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   they're mallcore, that's true.  but look.  if bands like disturbed are labeled as heavy metal/nu-metal, i see no reason why slipknot shouldn't be.  slipknot has started incorporating guitar solos into their work, and their work has always been heavy.  they're heavier than a lot of bands which fall under "heavy metal".  not adding metalcore is like having a band's genres bee alternative rock and heavy metal, when you could just simply put alternative metal instead.  Itachi1452 22:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT IS THIS?! (Genre) 

message: In a second I'm gonna look for more instances of this, but the thing which caught my eye was this: "The initial reason for the band wearing masks was the disbelief and ridicule the band received in reaction to their musical ambition." Now I checked the reference and that is VAGUELLY stated there, but even if it was an exact quote I'd be forced to point out how NPOV that sounds. Is there no way that could be edited to focus less on how they "struggled against the odds" and more on the reason for their outfits, the context in which that line is supposed to be? Granted, I'm no fan of the group, so I dunno if I should be the one to rewrite it, but I would change it just to "The initial reason for the band wearing masks was the ridicule the band received in reaction to their music." Again, that might sound NPOV too. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Dsmccohen 09:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhh... I have a feeling you're mistaking NPOV with POV. NPOV stands for Neutral Point of View whiles POV means Point of View. But yes, some parts of the article are slightly non-neutral, which is a problem. Zouavman Le Zouave 10:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: The post of Joey's name should be changed as his middle name is not Joey, it is Jonas.  His full name is Nathan Jonas Jordison, as such I suggest that his name shown in the info box be changes to "Nathan Jonas Jordison (Joey Jordison)"  I am an avid slipknot fan, so I know what I'm talking about.
--From The Dark Skys Fan 16:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: you're right--Sheish 6 Sheish 06:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: But Joey Jordison is his stage name. You've found his birth name. That's only useful for an article on him. Thundermaster367 12:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band Members 

message: Slipknot's Grammy winning song "Before I Forget" will appear in RedOctane's hit game Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock.
Source: http://www.slipknot1.com/site
(This should be added to the bands page) NEX767 17:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before I Forget to be featured on Guitar Hero III 

message: I just wanted to make a comment on the feud between Slipknot and Mushroomhead. The artical about this little "war" between their fans seems to be a little off. The artical states that this all started when either Mushroomhead or Slipknot said something that sparked the tension between both bands. It also says that Slipknot and Mushroomhead had an exchange of words, there by amplifying their fan's anger to go and promote the destruction of both bands. I have a sorce taken from an interveiw with Corey [vocals for Slipknot] talking about the Slipknot vs. Mushroomhead dispute. [A partical copy of the interview can be seen here: http://black-goat.com/search.php?misc=search&subaction=showfull&id=1110566999&archive=1137605263&cnshow=news&ucat=&start_from=&] In the interview, Corey makes it clear that both bands had nothing to do with the start of this mini war raging between both band's fans. He also makes it clear that neither band wants the dispute to go on, claiming that they are just "stuck in the background". Also, if Slipknot seriously thought or believed that Mushroomhead stole thier image, they would have already taken legal actions as seen in the lawsuit taken against Burger King's band "Coq Roq". [Details can be seen here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0817052slipknot1.html] Clearly the band knows that Burger King has tried to steal their image and sound in music in order to attract fans into buying products [which is both irritating and sickening]. I just thought i'd put my foot down and say that i think the artical between Mushroomhead and Slipknot should be revised.
-Blind_Heretic666 08:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slipknot & Mushroomhead Feud 

message: I've been changing "is a Grammy-winning American metal band" to "is a Grammy-winning American nu metal band" due to the fact that Slipknot is a nu metal band, as the infobox clearly states. This was later edited by Jasca Ducato, who decided to put "is a Grammy-winning Amreican heavy metal band". I believe that putting "metal" or "heavy metal" is too generic for the introduction, and that "nu metal" is totally appropriate. Slipknot is not subject to a big "genre debate", like bands such as System of a Down. The solution that was found for the System of a Down article was to change the intro to "is a rock band". I think it would be a shame to do this to the Slipknot article since it is pretty clear that Slipknot is a nu metal band. Zouavman Le Zouave 12:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for finally using the talk page. In that case, heavy metal is used as a generic term for all the metal sub-genres, including nu metal. Nu metal is used to describe the specific movement that came from the mid-1990s with bands like Korn, Linkin Park, and Slipknot. So, unless you really mean to argue that Slipknot plays the same music as the original heavy metal bands (Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, etc.), "heavy metal" is a more generic term than "nu metal". Also, please use the talk page before reverting my edits and leaving vandalism warnings on my talk page. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Zouavman Le Zouave 17:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: Could we describe Slipknot as shock rock?  They certainly fit with Wiki's description of "elements of theatrical shock value in live performances", what with the masks and genuinely scary/shocking activities.
*Erm, I don't think so. Jasca Ducato 08:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also disagree. Otherwise you could also try describing Burzum as shock rock. Zouavman Le Zouave 12:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not?  They throw shit, light stuff on fire, etc.  And Zouavman, Burzum never has and never will play a live show.  Black Metal as a genre is shock rock anyways.  --Notmyhandle 04:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Why? Because you say so?  Personal opinion has no claim in defining where Slipknot fits into musical genres. --Notmyhandle 11:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That includes your then I take it. Jasca Ducato 11:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, yeah. You know that if you don't have source that they are shock rock, they aren't. You know that if personal opinion has no value, then neither does yours. Thundermaster367 11:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shock rock 

message: why is the main pic up for deletion. i think it is better than the past ones.GuyDoe 21:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: why

message: Corey also appears unmasked on the "Stait Up, Tribute to Lynn Strait" album.  Article doesn't allow editing otherwise I would have changed it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.132.83 (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for edit 

message: Shouldn't Slip_knot redirect to the type of knot, and not to here???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.205.148.195 (talk) 21:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slipknot vs. Slip Knot 

message: Isn't it obvious that Slipknot are thrash metal.
Listen to:
*Wait and Bleed
*Before I Forget
*The Blister Exsists
*My Plague
and becomes obvious.
They are also rap metal.
*Spit It Out
And nu metal.
*Duality
*The Nameless
So do you think I should add those genres? Thundermaster367 08:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, nu metal encompasses all of those, it's already on the page WITH a reference.  The genre debate has been going on for ever, and since it's clear that you can't classify them as just a few things (who knows what their next album will end up being classified as) it's better to leave the genre simple like it is now (something referenced and accepted by all) and then discuss it objectively within the article - elements of the music, why it would be classified in each, and make it clear that their dynamic sounds are the reason why it doesn't remain within a single genre.  It's pointless, does no one see that?  --Notmyhandle 10:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

text: When doing so, I recommend using both a note at the bottom to explain it, as well as a citable reference.  --Notmyhandle 09:13, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash Metal 

message: Let's add extreme metal and hardcore metal, as they have been listed under Vol. 3 genres. We can mark them as "newer". Thundermaster367 14:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with . They are certainly influenced by other genres, but they still remain nu metal, just as some nu metal bands are influenced by latin music, that does not make them latin music. Zouavman Le Zouave 13:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  For Vol. 3 

message: I've added this as it is a genre as it they are clearly a alt. metal band. All of the song articles state this. Thundermaster367 (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative metal 

message: Could someone able to edit Mick's page please correct it so it shows info on Mick rather than just a copy of Slipknots own page?, and please correct the spelling mistake, it's Thomson not Thompson
:I have moved Mick's page to the correct spelling of Mick Thomson Blackngold29 (talk) 19:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that it matters either way, but that was me. I got the page unprotected and I restored it with reliable sources. Rezter (talk) 19:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mick Thomson 

message: Was that song even a single of the band, or was it just a regular album track? If it wasn't a single, I would think it reasonable to delete it. Any info or opinions? Zouavman Le Zouave 06:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[People = Shit]] 

message: I just don't get why the page for the 4th studio album keeps getting nominated for deletion. It really pisses me off. What makes it so different from all of the other pages on Wikipedia that deal with future albums, huh? These administrators or whoever they are need to just leave the page alone so that we can make a positve contribution towards the Maggots' knowledge. I fI sound very mad its because this same exact thing is happening twice.
Heh, but I guess it is kinda funny. When there is a ton of information about the album out, and we can't make the page because some big-wig administrator says it's a "crystal ball" (WTF?), then I'll be laughing that I won't be able to expand the bands' fans' knowledge of it. And there will be a bunch of people sitting at home, going to Wikipedia to find out the information, and they won't be able to find it on Wikipedia, they'll have to pick through bullcrap websites to try and find the exact same thing they could find on Wikipedia had only the page stayed. 
:Share your thoughts, please. I'm all ears.
Dark Executioner (talk) 23:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fucking stupid 

message: :Image:Slipknot - Vol. 3- (The Subliminal Verses) Special Edition.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Slipknot - Vol. 3- (The Subliminal Verses) Special Edition.jpg

message: I believe that this should be deleted until the band actually does break up. It kind of makes it look like this band is finished, but they've got a new album coming up! The end is very far away, because Joey Jordison himself said, in an interview, that "2008 is gonna be all about Slipknot"!
Dark Executioner (talk) 20:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Break-Up section