Talk:Silvio Berlusconi/Archive 2

message: current pic is 9 years old, i added a more recent one on commons from last month--27.123.136.92 (talk) 06:06, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, image inserted in the article, I think it's better using the latest photos when they are available. Lawtheagoraphobic (talk) 01:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent image 

message: Please feature Berlusconi's European Parliament Constituency in the infobox section "Member of the European Parliament". 70.29.38.15 (talk) 03:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: --Ritchie92 (talk) 11:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2019 

message: The Legal Problems section is a partial and outdated copy of the Trials and allegations involving Silvio Berlusconi article. May I suggest removing the long, but partial section of this article and just linking to the more current material in the (also long) more specific one? IAmNitpicking (talk) 19:25, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove section on trials/legal problems, replace with link to article on that topic 

message: "Berlusconi was the first person to assume the premiership without having held any prior government or administrative offices."... er, isn't that Mussolini? john k (talk) 22:59, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mussolini 

message: Change "Kingdom of Italy" to "Italian Republic" 151.42.141.42 (talk) 11:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 17:45, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I gather the OP is talking about the birthplace in the infobox?  The point being that Milan is in the Italian Republic now?  Surprisingly I've been unable to find any clear statement about this in the Manual of Style or even in the infobox documentation, but if you look through other biographies, you'll see that the clear practice is to name the sovereign that controlled the birthplace at the time.  The Italian Republic did not exist until 1946, so that was certainly not it. --Trovatore (talk) 06:42, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020 

message: Instead of saying mussolini signed a pact to terminate jews why not unknowingly admit that he stood next to but did not actively take part in terminating Jews. Despite his persona i've come to notice people ridiculing Mussolini and it creates confusion. I wasn't there but i've seen footage of him meeting Hitler, the person that actually asked for the Holocaust to happen. There's a difference please don't use the term Terminate or place him next to this term "Jew" because I support Italy. I don't find it necessary to dig into why he met Hitler or why Hitler went to Paris. Just avoid saying he co-signed anything during the Holocaust and termination of Jews.
Berlusconism 108.76.80.249 (talk) 18:37, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2020 

message: Would somebody with rights paste this sourcecode for Documentaries
* Citizen Berlusconi – The Prime Minister and the Press, 2003
* Viva Zapatero!, directed by Sabina Guzzanti, 2005
* Quando c'era Silvio, documentary film directed by Beppe Cremagnani e Enrico Deaglio, 2005
*  My Way: The Rise and Fall of Silvio Berlusconi, documentary film by Alan Friedman, 2016  — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Kendyman can (talk • contribs) 11:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentary  "My Way: The Rise and Fall of Silvio Berlusconi" by Alan Friedman should be added 

message: The incipit should specify that Silvio Berlusconi is a convicted criminal, like it does for his two co-founders of the Forza Italia political movement, Cesare Previti and Marcello Dell'Utri. Instead of: "Silvio Berlusconi is an Italian media tycoon and politician who served as Prime Minister of Italy [...]", it should read: "Silvio Berlusconi is an Italian media tycoon, politician and convicted criminal. He served as Prime Minister of Italy [...]". This information is crucial to apprehend the public image of Berlusconi and his historical role in Italian politics, so it should be put forward in the first line.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nusco (talk • contribs) 09:01, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on October, 24th, 2020 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-09-23/putin-was-pushed-into-ukraine-war-says-italys-berlusconi <-- should be incorporated in the article 50.111.34.139 (talk) 23:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Putin supporter 

message: It should be updated, as he recently just turned 86. With all that makeup he looks so much younger, but yes, he really is closer to being 90 than to the year 2018! 146.200.180.251 (talk) 00:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthday Update 

message: Why is this article written in Victorian English, and not in Modern International English ("American"), when Italy is not part of Britain? Or has never been occupied by the Empire?
Should be changed and modernized. Wikipedia is for an International audience if I remember correctly (: 2003:D5:D723:6A00:D507:E1BF:38E9:8725 (talk) 23:51, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern English 

message: Can he be a member of the European parliament and Italy Senate? Djallese (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Member of both houses? 

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message: Hello, @Ymblanter! I can't edit your talk page because of a parameter error that someone else left, so I'm bringing this here: Your recent revision is noted, but it appears you have edited the "death place" field! Is it not the "Republic of Italy" in 2023? — Nameless(?) 09:25, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sorry, the intention was to change the birth place. I assume this is fixed by now. I will also try to fix my talk page, not sure what is happening there. Ymblanter (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italy in 2023 

message: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/world/europe/pope-francis-silvio-berlusconi-hospitalized-italy.html Death Editor 2 (talk) 01:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was hospitalizated again  

message: This article is poorly organized with 17 main sections and no sub sections. Someone who knows the subject should correct this. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 09:31, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Technical reason: The subsections are actually hidden due to  (as an apparent means of curbing the article's display length). --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 10:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Org 

message: please change current to former (see page Andrej Babiš):
Andrej Babiš, the former Prime Minister of the Czech Republic
: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cocobb8 (💬 talk to me! • ✏️ my contributions) 16:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2023 

message: The infobox says that he married Marta Fascina in 2022, however there's no mention of this outside the infobox in this article nor a mention of their marriage is seen in Fascina's article. In Fascina's article it says that they were simply dating from 2020 until his death. Is there a reliable source confirming their marriage in 2022 and if so, can we add this in both their articles? 2601:249:8E00:420:B93B:A3A7:4E32:53B2 (talk) 21:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marta Fascina marriage 

message: In The "Comparisons to other leaders" section under "Berlusconism" the part where it speaks of Andrej Babiš, that phrase needs amending because it says he is the current Prime Minister of the Czech Republic. His tenure was from 6 December 2017 to 17 December 2021. Echo-Phyber-Echo (talk) 21:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . Obvious change. Note the source used there is from 2015 (when AB was not PM yet) and cited in 2018 (when AB was PM), which explains the choice of wording not based on the source used. Pavlor (talk) 05:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

text: "Then Finance Minister of the Czech Republic" would be also useable (and correct by the source). Pavlor (talk) 05:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2023 (2) 

message: A few hours after Silvio Berlusconi's death, one user added the following sentence: "Berlusconi rose into political background of Italy in late 60s, after being helped by both politician Piersanti Mattarella and singer Elena Zagorskaya". The sentence was lately modified as follows: "Berlusconi rose into the financial elite of Italy in the late 1960s after being influenced and assisted by both Italian politician Piersanti Mattarella and singer Elena Zagorskaya". It looks like fake news, but I have no way to prove it as I have no chance to check the first given source (this book). Before the edit, no other source mentioned Piersanti Mattarella and Elena Zagorskaya related to Berlusconi, but, hour after hour, several news outlets all around the world have started citing the two. It is possibly a resounding case of circular reporting (see also Wikipedia:Verifiability#Wikipedia and sources that mirror or use it). I am going to remove the sources that have clearly mirrored Wikipedia and add a "verify source" tag for the book. I hope other users can check the information, which, true or false, look redundant at best. Possibly, this case will be added to the list at Circular reporting#Examples on Wikipedia. -- Checco (talk) 18:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems irrelevant enough, can be removed altogether. The article quality is already not the best, we do not need more poorly sourced information. Yakme (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the information is irrelevant, not just redundant. Is it also false? That Berlusconi was influenced and, above all, assisted by Piersanti Mattarella and Elena Zagorskaya seems quite implausible. In my view, it has been an incredible example of circular reporting: before the inclusion of the information Wikipedia by an obscure user, there was nothing in the web about it (I checked that immediately after), now there are thousands of Google hits! I am sorry I started this thread three days late. --Checco (talk) 06:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I would go ahead and remove it if there are no RS predating his death. Hemiauchenia (talk) 06:19, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

text: More than 2,100 news sources on the web now link Berlusconi with the figures of Piersanti Mattarella and Elena Zagorskaya. More than likely, it is a case of circular reporting, caused by an inaccurate edit in Wikipedia. Would it be a good candidate for Circular reporting#Examples on Wikipedia? --Checco (talk) 20:34, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Only if there is a reliable source that mentions the circular reporting. Otherwise this is WP:OR. The very addition of this to the article about circular reporting is also WP:NOTSOURCE and WP:CIRCULAR, funny enough. The only place I can find that mentions the "problem" is this Wikipedia talk page. Renerpho (talk) 05:53, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for pinging you twice, Checco (once here, and once on the talk page at Circular reporting). Maybe I should have combined both comments, and put both of them in one place. In fact, I have just opened a third thread about this, at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Circular_reporting_at_Silvio_Berlusconi?, where I replied to your comment again. Renerpho (talk) 06:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

text: The book doesn't contain anything to back up the details added, and all other reporting of the details is after they appeared here. Nor does any source I could find that predates the addition here mention anything similar. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circular reporting? 

message: This is extremely debatable sentence, which should not be written as a fact. Before Berlusconi's entrepreneurial activity (and lobbying), Italy had only state-controlled TV (Rai 1 and Rai 2). Considering that Berlusconi made a strong contribution to private television (at first it was illegal or for technical/legal reasons almost impossible to open a private network) it is ridiculous to write that he "restricted freedom of information." 93.45.229.98 (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV: "which he restricted freedom of information" 

message: Record of suggested edits (for accounts without edit ability/permission, or want consensus before editing):
1. Section "Family Background & Personal Life"; addition- clarity/cohesion: missing information, also does not match corresponding article "Veronica Lario". Section end (corresponding to footnote 38, regarding Verlusconi/Lario divorce, last entry 2012): needs updated information (2020; https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/20_febbraio_06/silvio-berlusconi-veronica-lario-accordo-definitivo-divorzio-b3e9cc3a-48db-11ea-91e8-775bd36e4cb6.shtml); could also be supplemented by addition of the 2013, 2015 & 2017 settlement alterations.
2. Sentence at citation/footnote 448; line edit- clarity/coherence. replace "in an Adamic dress"; author obfuscation- euphemism for "nude/naked/unclothed" MadLadLana (talk) 22:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berlusconi wikiarticle corrections/edits