Talk:Christianity in Iraq

message: This source,, National Geographic Magazine, does not state, Christians are suffering from lack of security since the invasion in 2003.. This article is about Christianity in Iraq, not Christians in the Levant.
Also, this sentence, The vast majority of them live in the capital Baghdad and in Mosul, is not supported by the National Geographic article. 
Both have been tagged for requests for quotations. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The entire section was written for propaganda purposes. A lot of unreliable sources were added, such as AINA, personal essays, blogs etc. Majority of them were deleted. Also, the section contained a lot of unrelated parts, mainly copy-pasted directly from other sources. The article was probably a target of hostile user who wanted to spread anti-Kurdish propaganda. You are free to comment and propose more edits. Ferakp (talk) 19:56, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Rudaw is also not a reliable source, you are free to delete all those sections which use Rudaw. AINA is absolutely not a reliable source, it has been discussed several times on Wikipedia. Read WP:RELIABILITY page to understand the criteria.Ferakp (talk) 23:15, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: Dear user 81.92.17.129.
Sources you add are unreliable and are not possible to user as sources. Also, many sections you have added are not sources at all and they need usually multiple reliable sources, as they are very high claims. Ferakp (talk) 10:24, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disruptive editing 

message: It appears that there are editors who do not clearly understand the different concepts/categories of ethnicity on the one hand and of religious affiliation on the other hand. Kurds, Assyrians, Armenians, Arabs constitute ethnicities. "Christian", "Orthodox", "Syriac", "Catholic", "Chaldean", "Evangelical", "Muslim", "Sunni", "Shia" et al are terms for religious affiliation. While there apparently are empirical associations of concrete ethnicities with concrete religious affiliations, a serious article must not confuse the the two different concepts/categories. Please watch the language in editing. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 10:49, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity and religion 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Dear user 87.189.128.73, 
You had following problems with your edits: 
: This is already mentioned above in History and Post-war situation sections, more neutrally. It's a very big claim to say "Kurds took their land "and even their daughters". You are talking about all Kurds, be careful. Who exactly took Assyrians land, which tribe, militia or groups are you talking about? Tor Abdin is in Turkey not Iraq. You can't add Turkey-related incidents to this article. 
:The source is professor Martin Bruinessen, an established authority, and the sentence refered to one city (only to the Kurds at that city). 
 
: 1) Again, you are not clear here too. "Kurds seized their land" is wrong, you need many reliable sources to support such claim. Your source is written by Michael Youash who is secretary of armed militia. Your source says: Many ultimately became refugees because Kurds had seized their lands and the Kurdistan Regional Government would not implement any decisions requiring the return of land to original Assyrian inhabitants. and it's based on Youash's own research, which is simply based on two interviews and synthesis: These comments represent a synthesis of the types of comments made by Assyrian refugee families interviewed by IDSP over two weeks across Amman, Damascus, and Beirut.. Wikipedia doesn't allow WP:SYNTH and Youash is a secretary of armed militia(not reliable at all). I am not however going to delete it, I will edit it to be more neutral.  
2) This is original research and it's not allowed -> Many incidents of Kurdish authorities discriminating against minorities were reported in 2007 when minorities were arrested without due process, services were denied to some villages and schools pressured to teach in Kurdish.
: It is not OR, it is from M. Youash. 
3) Other attacks against Assyrians according to a US DOS country report include rapes, abductions of young girls, murders, attacks on Churches and clergy, cultural and linguistic persecution, and land expropriations by Kurds. Your state.gov source doesn't talk about abduction and AINA is not a reliable source. Rape incident is still not solved and it doesn't belong to the section you added. The state.gov doesn't also talk about destroyed "churches" at all.
: This is clearly duplicate, it's already mentioned above. 
: This edit has many problems: 1) ..Kurds were "responsible for most of the atrocities committed against the Assyrians.. This claim has been refuted by a numerous of sources. For example, this claim had been added to Assyrian genocide article but it was later deleted due to its conflict with other sources. 
:it should not have been deleted. When reliable sources disagree, then both views should be mentioned. 
2) The Patriarch of the Church of the East is not related to this article and it's history. 3) In more recent times, northern Iraq, the area of "ancient Assyria, Kurdish expansion has come at the expense of the Assyrian population". You reliable sources to support this claim. 4) Due to both Arab and Kurdish intimidation policies, especially on the part of the Kurdish Democratic Party, the Aramaic speaking Christian population has been much reduced. Source for this? Other sources in this article disagrees with your claim. 5) It was reported that Kurds have raised impediments to acquisition of international aid for development, attempted to prevent the establishment of Aramaic language schools and prevented the establishment of Christian Assyrian schools, You need a source for this claim too and this is almost duplicate, it has been shortly mentioned above. 6) There were also attacks on Christians by both Arab and Kurdish Islamists groups such as IS and the Kurdish Ansar ul-Islam IS is not a Kurdish Islamist group and Ansar al-Islam doesn't exist anymore, and it has never been active in Assyrian populated areas...Ferakp (talk) 02:30, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with newest changes 

message: I don't have a horse in this race (I'm an American of Spanish/Latin-American origin), I was merely interested in the topic of Christianity in Iraq, but I found a serious anti-Kurdish bias throughout, particularly in the History section. I'm not sure how to flag an article for NPOV (I've looked but I haven't found a simple how-to and don't want to mess anything up), so if anyone could help or offer suggestions I would be really thankful. I'm including below the first paragraph of the History section to illustrate what I'm talking about:
"In the period prior to the establishment of Abbasid rule in AD 750, pastoral Kurds moved into upper Mesopotamia from Persian Azerbaijan, taking advantage of an unstable situation. Cities in northern and northeastern ancient Assyria were raided and attacked by the Kurds of Persian Azerbaijan, "who killed, looted, and enslaved the indigenous population", and the Kurds were moving into various regions in east of ancient Assyria. The chronicler Ibn Hawqal spoke about the state to which the region of Shahrazoor had been reduced, describing it as a 'town, which was overpowered by the Kurds, and whose environs as far as Iraq had been enjoying prosperity'. Another contemporary source described the region of Adiabene thus: '[T]he plain of Hadyab was entirely inhabited by the Nestorians but the Kurds have occupied it and depopulated it of its inhabitants'.[15] Later, the Seljuks invaded Mesopotamia with the support of Kurdish chieftains and tribes. They "destroyed whatever they encountered" and captured and enslaved women. Mosul, historically a Christian city, was repeatedly attacked. The historian Ibn Khaldun wrote that 'the Kurds spoiled and spread horror everywhere'.[15] In time, Armenia and Assyria became "Kurdistan".[16] From the late 13th century through to the present time, Assyrian Christians have suffered both religious and ethnic persecution, including a number of massacres.[17] Northern Iraq remained predominantly Assyrian, Eastern Aramaic speaking and Christian until the destructions of Tamerlane at the end of the 14th century, when the ancient city of Ashur was finally abandoned by the Assyrians after a 4000-year history. Tamerlane rewarded the Kurds for their support by "settling them in the devastated regions, which until then had been inhabited by the followers of the Church of the East."[18] The Assyrian Church of the East has its origin in what is now South East Turkey and Assuristan (Sassanid Assyria). By the end of the 13th century there were twelve Nestorian dioceses in a strip from Peking to Samarkand. When the 14th-century Muslim warlord of Turco-Mongol descent, Timur (Tamerlane), conquered Persia, Mesopotamia and Syria, the civilian population was decimated. Timur had 70,000 Assyrian Christians beheaded in Tikrit, and 90,000 more in Baghdad.[19][20]" Mpaniello (talk) 00:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs to Be Flagged for NPOV 

message: Non-neutral heading replaced. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some sections of this article are blatantly false 

message: I will create this as the section for debate, as witnessing the article, it seems like Aboona has heavy influence on the section. The only way to see if any other sources conflict his POV, editors must find sources which contradict what Aboona claims.
Do not create an edit in the meantime, place information here to avoid any wiki wars! Volkish Kurden (talk) 22:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The consensus of the recent issue 

message: Change:"The patriarch Abraham was from Uruk, in southern Iraq, modern day Nasiriya..." 
To :" The patriarch Abraham was from Ur, in southern Iraq, modern day Warka (near Samawah)," 
Reasons: The author has probably mistaken Uruk for Ur , while both are ancient Sumerian cities, Ur is the one more typically associated with Abraham. It's also correct the Ur is within modern-day Nasiriya, unlike Uruk which lies within the borders of Wraka (close to Samawah). Sajjadalhusseini (talk) 16:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2024