Talk:Chavacano

message: /summary-This is a bare-bones summary for use in translating to other languages. Please do not expand. Please feel free to enter essential only data.--Jondel 07:28, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: You are invited to vote on selecting between the names Chavacano and Chabacano, in the Languages of the Philippines page.--Jondel 01:17, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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message: There is no evidence that suggests Chabacano in Ermita were mostly spoken only by the Filipino-Chinese and that which makes it distinctive to other Spanish-speakers in the area. Chabacano-speakers in Ermita, were not monopolized by the Filipino-Chinese, nor is there any evidence that says it distinctively spoken by this particular group at that time. It is spoken by many people in Ermita regardless of ethnic background. I think there is a Filipino-Chinese elitist here editing contents for his own agenda. Can we maintain neutrality and objectivism here?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.216.10 (talk) 10:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Chabacano in Manila

message: A hundred in spanish is CIEN not CIENTO. could someone correct that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.54.219.63 (talk) 08:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A hundred

message: For one thing, the use of the word "Ya" can also be used in regular Spanish as you Filipinos use it in your creole. It can also mean past tense, it just depends on how you use it.
:I agree. The word "ya" in Spanish and the word "ya" in Chabacano are not really false friends. They both denote an occurrence in the past (already in Spanish) or something has occurred or has completed in the past (implying the present perfect tense in Chabacano). Consider the following in Chabacano (Zamboangueño): Lavao el maga ropa. (The clothes are washed.) Lavao ya el maga ropa o el maga ropa lavao ya. (The clothes have been washed.) Ya - as it is used to imply the present perfect tense in Chabacano denotes the same meaning as "already" in Spanish. Hence they are not false friends. --Weekeejames 20:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Neutral Spanish" is irrelevant to the Chabacano article. Chabacano is NOT Spanish; it is only rich in Spanish vocabulary and influenced by a lot of Castillian words; some archaic (eg. the word "chico" in Chabacano means small; not a small boy nor chiquito (modern Spanish for small). Its vocabulary is also rich in Mexican-Spanish words due to the historical fact that the Philippines was administered indirectly by Spain and directly by Mexico. Chabacano is not in dilemma of choosing which translation variety to use because the point of reference of its vocabulary will always be standard Castillian Spanish (unlike Latin American Spanish) - especially in writing where the formal mode is to be used as a rule. "Neutral Chavacano" (as a counterpart, in this context) is not about the "terms best suited to a multinational and multicultural target audience". Because in Chavacano, there is a rule to always use the "formal" mode (predominantly Spanish) regardless whether it is being understood by the ordinary people out in the street or the educated ones in the academics, for example. --Weekeejames 20:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Your discussion on "Neutral Spanish" on the discussion page for Chabacano is irrelevant. Chabacano is NOT Spanish. It is not in a dilemma to choose words that are to be understood by every Chabacano speakers because in Chabacano writing, the formal mode is used. Also, please register and sign your username with four tildes ~~~~. --Weekeejames 01:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't know why it should be a topic in every language article. Perhaps Chris (who specializes in articles relating to linguistics) can explain what's the deal with it. But I think the false friend section is relevant to the Chavacano article or any article on a creole. It is also significant especially on the point of view of both Chavacano and Spanish speakers. In fact, Jondel was asking if a Chavacano speaker can understand Spanish and/or vice-versa. A little knowledge about false friends can help us understand why at a certain point, a word familiar to both has different meanings for both
Viceversa yes, I do it(except thing like maga or mga.--AleG2 20:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Many of those false friends are NOT 

message: In accordance to discussion at talk page of Languages of the Philippines--Jondel 12:13, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Chavacano is chabacano, and chabacano can be Chavacano, no hay duda. Weekeejames
both are correct depending on the regional area it is being used from.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.216.10 (talk) 11:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Chabacano not Chavacano

message: Cantus,
Please do your research before editing.
This is the meaning of False Friend from Wikipedia.
False friends are pairs of words in two languages that look or sound similar but differ in meaning. Such words can cause difficulty for students learning a foreign language, particularly one that is related to their native language, because the students are likely to misidentify the words due to Language interference. 
In answer to your question, 
>>'False Friends'? Can you find a more appropriate wording?
'False Friends' is the most appropriate wording.
Thank you and best regards,--Jondel 00:21, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Chavacano:False Friend

message: Please improve this! I am very happy for the implementors!
::Thank you. We need more Chabacano contributors. Jondel and I have been the only ones working on it. Seems like I'm the only native Chabacano registered user here and alas, I don't have enough time right now to fully implement it and my 'puter at home is sick. :( But at least we've started it and it will slowly and surely see the break of dawn from the incubator to a fully implemented Chavacano Wikipedia. Gracias. --Weekeejames 20:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chabacano on Wikipedia incubator 

message: It seems to me that Zamboangueño is not a creole but an Austronesian-grammar language using Spanish vocabulary.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.213.172.51 (talk) 14:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but your impression is mistaken; it is indeed a creole. --Chris S. 23:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Austronesian language 

message: I think it needs to be changed Jcdizon 00:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put it within the scope of Tambayan Philippines. --Chris S. 02:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this part of Wikiproject Spain when it's spoken in the Philippines? 

message: In this wikipedia article it states that 'hay' is used in front of the verb to indicate future tense.
Eg: Hay aprende yo Chavacano.
In this link: http://www.zamboanga.com/chavacano/ it says that 'el' is used to indicate the future.
Eg: El aprende yo Chavacano.
So, which one is it?! Hay or El, or both???
Vlag (talk) 14:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "El" is an article (that usually precedes a noun) while "hay" is a helping/linking verb that precedes the main verb to imply the future tense, especially in simple future tense. However, "el" can also be used in place of "hay" for the same purpose, especially in the subjuntive mood. For example: "Si el canta el pajaro, hay camina mi maga hermano." (If the bird would sing, my brothers would walk.) Chavacano is very fluid, is generally a spoken language, and needs to be "standardized" as a writing language. I hope that answers your question. --Weekeejames (talk) 22:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Weekeejames, in the context you used it that does not indicate future, but rather it is a conditional, it indicates a hypothetical condition that is currently not true.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.206.254 (talk) 01:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zamboanga Chabacano Future Tense 

message: para a todos concierne y especialmente contigo jondel..
perdoname que ya move y ya revisa yo sin permiso contigo o aqui..
ya pone gale yo alla abajo na trivia acerca con mal oida chavacano descripcion "aquel, chavacano quiere decir na diccionnario de castellano como vulgar". sino na premer estanza y frasas ya cambia yo su descripciones... que asegun conmigo ta lee yo o otros gente como mas bonito na vista na cada y uno wikipediano...
i  include several influences, through reading i do agree that there are really words that come from those languages... since, most of the spanish speaking soldiers were from latin america or belong to the Native American Language.
lastly, tu y vosotros ya cuidao para arregla otra vez o pone na cada respectivo lugar.--Acer Cyle (talk) 13:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Concierne para todos

message: Hi can the possessive pronouns be put up please. Thanks.86.42.128.5 (talk) 11:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chavacano Possessive Pronouns 

message: sure... but let me disccus first to my fellow writers,researchers, o authors.
for the meantime...
 possesive
mi - mio,mia -mine
tu - tuyo -your
Nuestro(a) -our
de aton/ato(inclusive) -our
de amon/amon(exclusive) -our
--Acer Cyle (talk) 03:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: RESPUESTO

message: Why does it say:
Ele ya andá na escuela.
Means:
He/she went to school..   ???
It is confusing.. It says further down 'El' is 'He' and 'Ele' is 'She'. Why does the translation say 'He/She' when it says 'Ele' only. 86.42.128.5 (talk) 13:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  El/Ele He/She 

message: Please discuss first in this page before making any major changes to the article. That way, our efforts are not wasted and there will be no edit wars. Thanks. --Weekeejames (talk) 18:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discuss first 

message: I find this site quite good: http://www.zamboanga.com/chavacano/ for learning some basic Chavacano but it is often too confusing. The talk section of Chavacano here in Wikipedia is the only place online I know of where someone can help me.
If you just go to this link http://www.zamboanga.com/chavacano/ then click on 'Chavacano SPEAK!' on the left-hand side and then scroll down to the bottom.. There's a section where there are 3 headings: Formal, Familiar, Common... Then it lists all these pronouns but without much explanation as to what those pronouns actually mean in English!!! Like, what are the differences of 'Con el, con ellos, de ellos, con ele, etc..' and so on. It's just confusing. And also, that site seems like it has been abandoned for eons.. No-one's updating it or improving it.
Please all you Zambo speakers, can you explain??
193.1.172.163 (talk) 12:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't very easy.... I'll try to explain it with the second singular person: Tu is a neutral or semi-polite "you" [2nd sing. person] ("Mom, you are the best", "You can't break Wikipedia. Anything can be fixed or improved later."), Uste is a polite "you" ("Mr. Smith, how are you?") and vos is a derogatory ("Are you crazy, f...... stupid?") or very close "you" ("Bubba, you are my best good friend"-Forrest Gump). Bye. Lin linao (talk) 14:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formal, Familiar, Common.. Confuzzled??? 

message: philippines languages or Filipino languages...
if you have search on the list of the philippines langauges, you will know...
filipino languages or native filipino langauges such tagalo, cebuano, ilocano aeta, subanon, kinaray-a, aklanon, capiznon, tiruray, manobo, bagobo, tiboli and etc... which all belong to the malayo-polynesian and part of the "Filipino languages" except for chavacano languages (part or one of the Filipino langauges but doesnt belong to Austronesian languages Familiy).
while foriegn languages such as chinese, english and etc doesnt belong as part of the "Filipino langauges".. so, its quite right to say that "chavacano is the only language in the philippines langauges which is not a member of the "philippines Austronesian family"
and its really stated that there are 157 languages or native or Filipino languages... Note:english. chinese, niponggo, etc are not included...--125.60.235.211 (talk) 04:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: misleading too

message: its actually correct... but why did you erase the previous word "rezbalasa"?
rezbalasa literraly means for "silde, to slide"
while deslizar means "tu brazaro estas balbado por causa ya rezbalasa tu"
although same in meaning but their usage is different... just like when you "save the life" and save the file" in Chavacano... "salva el vida" y "guarda el archivo o documento"
pero muchas gracias siempre por tu contribucion aqui.. Lo Aprobaron amigo!--Acer Cyle (talk) 12:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: sobre el palabra 'deslizar'

message: QUIEN TALPULANO YA ANDA CAMBIA?
PORQUE USTED YA ANDA CAMBIA? QUE HORROR!
NUNCA SE YA QUEDA "MGA" SINO "MAGA o MANA" GAT ESE...
ARREGLA PERO NO DESARREGLA...
PRECURA NOSOTROS TODO MEJORA ESTE PAGINA Y NO PARA DESTROSA!
GRACIAS!!!--Acer Cyle (talk) 11:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: POR EL CAMBIO DEL "MAGA" PARA "MGA"'

message: Hello to all,
This article is extremely confusing, additionally 0 sources are cited. I'll try to sort things out some but I don't think I can do it alone. Chavacano is beautiful and deserves to have an equally beautiful article about it. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page needs cleanup, sources 

message: I deleted the 359,000 estimate of Chavacano speakers. It was attributed to Ethnologue.  Ethnologue online does seem to imply that that figure applies to the entirety of Chavacano. But Ethnologue's source, Rubino 2008, clearly refers only to Zamboangueño, a subset of Chavacano. [anon.]
:I'll add a comment to that effect so your change does not get reverted.  — kwami (talk) 22:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of speakers 

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message: Sources I know that sources for the language are sparse: can anyone find something definitive? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:06, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Are there 29 or 30 letters--is <rr> a letter?

message: There are 30 letters in the Chavacano. this is the standard Abecedario for us Zamboangueño Ethnic whose mother tongue is Zamboangueño Chavacano. A B C CH D E F G H I J K L LL M N Ñ O P Q R RR S T U V W X Y Z Soy Un Orgulloso Latino Zamboangueño 21:13, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: 30 Letters are there in the Chavacano Alphabet

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message: Why was this removed? What fact do you have that would justify you to delete this? It is a fact that the word "chavacano" is not a Spanish word". You can check any spanish dictionary and the word does not exist.
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"The word Chavacano is not a spanish word. The people of Zamboanga "coined" the word. The people of Zambaonga, being a proud bunch of people, who just helped the spaniards build the fort (June 23, 1635) and in the process developed the dialect, wanted to "own" this unique new language and hence baptized it as CHAVACANO. The word chabacano was derogatory. The people of Zamboanga were proud of their new language, the language of Chavacano."
:Sorry, your good faith editions do not match well with the rest of the page, it's basically an opinion, you should familiarize yourself first with the kind of writing used in Wikipedia. About the name, chabacano is indeed a Spanish word, you can find it in any dictionary, and the difference b/v is not really relevant in Spanish, there is no change in pronunciation, it's just a spelling question. Anyway, if you have any source (book, newspaper, etc.) explaining the origin of the language's name, that would help a lot. --Jotamar (talk) 18:19, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted

message: Where is the explation of the word "na" that I found here before? It was found I think in Portuguese Jumark27 (talk) 02:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: na