Talk:Michael Ballack

message: Ballack has made 91 assists for the club section: 
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-ballack/bilanz/spieler_63.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: ( Assists)

message: Hi! I once again replaced the photography, because :Image:2651449540.jpg has an unknown copyright status. --Stefan ■ 12:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Photography

message: ballack had 67 goals in 118 games  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.208.26 (talk) 22:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: DFB-Pokal 1997/98

message: Kingjeff suggests that Ballack is still a Bayern player.  As the German season has now closed, and Ballack has signed a contract with Chelsea, and Ballack's involvement in the World Cup with Germany, I really don't think Ballack will be training with or playing for Bayern again.  It's true that he's contracted to Bayern until the end of June, but misleading and effectively incorrect to say he's still a Bayern player, especially given the rest of the article.  I'm going to revert to showing him as a Chelsea player.  Please discuss here before making any further changes.  Robwingfield (talk) 16:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not incorrect information. He's a Bayern player till June 30. Kingjeff 15:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If you look here, then you'll see that his conntract expires June 30. Therefore his contract with Chelsea dorsn't start untill Jult 1st. If you look here then you'll see he's still considered a Bayern player.
Both pages haven't been updated since Ballack signed for Chelsea - e.g. "Even Bayern Munich, it seems, have learned to appreciate the priceless talents of the world-class Ballack. Contract talks have now worn on for a number of months and the club are growing impatient to secure the midfielder's services for the foreseeable future."  I still feel that showing him as a Bayern player serves no purpose, and just looks inconsistent with the rest of the article.  As per above, I'm reverting to showing him as a Chelsea player.  Robwingfield (talk) 16:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Just a point, you both have fair points, though, Kingjeffs is rather more perdantic than practical, so I'd put Chelsea, but my point is, he is most certainly not playing for both clubs, so choose, dont put both. Philc TECI 23:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Suit yourself, and Sheva is milan player is he? no, check his article. he's a chelsea boy too! Philc TECI 21:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: no the point was you were supposed to check the article, and all the other articles of players leaving their clubs to see that they are all listed as ther current club being the one they will be playing for next season. Philc TECI 12:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

text: FIFAs site will be very slow to react due the immense amount of players they are dealing with, some player article eg Tomas Rosicky already states him as "currently playing for Arsenal", where as you'd argue he is still playing and contracted to dortmund. I think just to keep inline with all the other articles (and in mine and Robwingfields point of view at least, commen sense) he should be listed as a chelsea player, but I will not edit war, so I am just going to try and convince you. Philc TECI 18:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Thats a harsh deduction. I think that you have a fair point, and thats why I won't change it. If I thought I was right and you were wrong I would just change it, but I don't, I think we both have valid points. I think the contract is purely a legal and financial obligation, and the dates on it are respective those matters only, I think now he is either not playing for anyone (except germany obviously) or his current club is Chelsea. And that all that happens on the 1st of july is that his wage goes up, and he gets his last packet from Bayern. But all I can see coming from this now is an argument, and people getting offended (I already am, but I'll let it slip), so you can reply to this, but I may not reply again. Philc TECI 01:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chelsea or Bayern player? 

message: What facts are being disputed in this article? Kingjeff 13:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorbian ancestry? See above on the disussion page --Knarf-bz 13:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: u r absolutely right. I guess some crazy fan has put her own name.What a shameless nut!
Is the red card against Liverpool Ballack's first red card in his career or his first STRAIGHT red card in his career? I seem to have sources for both cases. Anyone can confirm either way? --Han Sheng 17:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual dispute

message: "Ballack agreed to join Chelsea on a Bosman transfer on May 15, 2006.[1] During his last season as a Bayern player there were rumours of"
I don't have a link but I think someone should fix it. Yonatanh 15:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was deleted in this edit, where the named reference that is still being called in the current version was deleted.  I've put it back into the article in full now.  Robwingfield (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  reference 1 - no link 

message: According to Ballack's official website, he is not married to Simone. --Muchness 23:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriage

message: I think that Ballacks full potential will be shown when he plays for Chelsea. The EPL has talanted and great players like Henry,
Rooney, C.Ronaldo and his teammate Lehmann.
Playing alongside Lampard, Robben, Makalele will surely only help him to show his skills better.
Germany deserved a place in the finals, specially after Ballack missed the finals of the 2002 edition due to a red card....
two goals at the brink of extra time took the cup away from Germany.
if it had gone to the penalties, i am sure germany would have won.
Simply a clarification here on this point "Ballack missed the finals of the 2002 edition due to a red card."  He actually missed the 2002 World Cup final due to "accumulated yellow cards."  He got the first yellow against Paraguay (92') in the round of 16, and a second yellow against S. Korea (71').  Two accumulated yellows equalled a 1 game suspension in knock-out rounds of the World Cup.  I believe that this rule (2 yellows = 1 game susp) has been modified so that more star players will be available for the finals of such tournaments (World Cup and Euro Championships).  Can anyone confirm this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.167.247.162 (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballacks Potential 

message: The Good article nomination for  has failed    
:I am failing the article as GA for now. Although the article has many qualities, it is still too much of a fluff piece trying to portray Ballack as a football wiz. Mind you I have absolutely nothing against Ballack but the overall tone of the article should be more factual and neutral rather than overly positive. There are also a few grammatical errors which although not crucial (I've fixed a few) still pull the article down just below what I feel should be the GA standard.
 Pascal.Tesson 03:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agree - it's a long way from Good Article status - and far to 'newsy' for a start, IMHO. --Gavinio 13:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Good articles|Good Article]] [[Wikipedia:Good articles/Nominations|nomination]] has failed 

message: Thephoto given by you is not up to the mark...
the photo should display him as either a chelsea or german player...
he sould have some good expressions of determination and grit on his 
face this would make the page more attractive and more people would
edit and access it resulting in the promotion of this article.....
but your photo dosent seem to mathup to any off the standards....
:If you can find a free image that can be used in the article that shows him in Chelsea uniform then that would be fine. It's not ok to use a fair use image when there is a free alternative, however. See Wikipedia:Fair use. jaco♫plane 13:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo not good 

message: Can someone name the source of Michael Ballack's middle name? I've never heard that he even had a middle name, let alone it being "Avlot"! This information isn't even on his official site!!
--SaraFL 18:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballack's Middle Name 

message: Ballack has been at Chelsea for half a season and yet there is huge amount of detail in his career description at Chelsea. I feel that this section should be made more concise. What about his childhood? Tirupraveen 05:05, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much Chelsea?? 

message: Infobox says 3 in 13 goals for Chelsea, career stats says 4 in 7? Whilding87 23:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepancies 

message: Who posted the comment about Ballack getting married to Simone Lambe this summer? There's no accreditation and nothing about it ANYWHERE else, so I presume it's complete fictitious and suggest it be removed.
--SaraFL (talk) 22:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't post it and I also suggest to remove it (as it is irrelevant), but there are sources (unfortunately only in German): Fußballstar Ballack heiratet, Masterplan mit Michael, Der Ballack-Plan. According to Google Germany's yellow press reported it.--Jaellee (talk) 09:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballack getting married? 

message: Can anyone give his name's pronunciation in IPA? I'm sure that we can't pronounce his name like English, but giving IPA for his full name is the best for readers. Vinhtantran (talk) 01:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ['mɪçaːʔeːl 'balak] 62.226.134.191 (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: How did the club pay in Euros, wasn't even aware anyone was using it back in 1999. Come on the Mothers (talk) 21:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing its the equivalent of €4.1 million. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 22:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kaiserslauten

message: I've removed the neutrality tag. The article is still a mess (Chelsea section too long, international section too short, language and style issues, etc.) but it restricts itself to facts. --Berntie (talk) 19:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV and cleanup tag 

message: DAFINA RUGOVAJ VRELL KOSOVA 17.04.1992 PEJ  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.80.174.155 (talk) 11:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  MICHAEL BALLACK 

message: Where is it???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.8.210 (talk) 15:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No one ever provided a reference so it got deleted. Providing references is crucial as it proves that the information is true. If you want to add it back please give your source by pasting the url at the end of the sentence between [ brackets ]. Thanks. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 21:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Partially restored. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 15:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to his Personal Life Section? 

message: I've overhauled the lead to full size. The main article could still do with expansion outside of the Chelsea section. Heavy reference work is needed: it's quite sad that (excluding height) the third citation in the text is to verify his transfer to Chelsea. It's a pretty lop-sided article. I hope that a German or Blues editor looks to resolve this situation sooner rather than later. It's pretty lame that this article has to wait for "SillyKoppiteBoy" to fix things (not to mention Drogba and Mourinho!). Come on Chelsea boys: don't let the side down! Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 02:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: Things like that need a reliable source. Without a source I'll remove it. --Berntie (talk) 19:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Slap" 

message: You have to mention ballack's assists!!91 assists exactly for the clubs. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-ballack/bilanz/spieler_63.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assists 

message: Fellow editors, we must add to Ballack's page the number of assists. Ballack has made lots of assists in his career (91) and the number of assists is very important for a footballer. Because they judge a football either by the number of goals or assists. So we must add it! There are lots of footballers' pages in wiki which contain the number of assists, why not ballack?! There are lots of sites containing the number of assists like http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-ballack/bilanz/spieler_63.html .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't agree with you. Assists are not that important for a footballer and besides, different sources often have different numbers for assists because each source defines an assist in its own way. Adding assist columns to a statistics table with only one sourced data point and lots of empty cells looks quite ridiculous in my opinion. This topic was discussed a short time ago on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, you might have a look at the discussion there. The fact that he has made a lot of assists in his career might be mentioned in the text (with a source), but as he is still playing, such information might to be obsolete after a short time. --Jaellee (talk) 22:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assists 

message: Lots of information are missing in this part, and nobody continued?! In the next couple of the days, I will rewrite the whole part adding everything. However I'm not quite sure how to write it?Of course neutral point of view, but should I mention references and others? Can someone tell me the whole guidelines I should follow.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Spell at Leverkusen

message: Just saving this link for future reference: http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2012/02/24/former-german-national-team-captain-michael-ballack-joins-espn-for-uefa-euro-2012/. Is it enough (yet) for an “off-pitch” section? It may be too soon for a “post-retirement career” section. —ThorstenNY (talk) 18:24, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ESPN commentator for UEFA 2012 

message: Minor problem, he made 18 appearances not 25  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 (talk) 16:31, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics 

message: Found a new one, bayer leverkusen top scorer in 2001-2002  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 (talk) 17:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual 

message: I'm thinking of adding a couple of man of the match awards.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 (talk) 12:56, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual 

message: He´s the third german player to win the EPL. The source is a bit poor. Please find another source to keep this valuable information  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.25.14.185 (talk) 06:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual 

message: Ok this is madness. Who the hell deleted my edit!? I added two individual awards; Bundesliga Bronze Boot (2001-02) and German Footballer of the year 2008 (Runner Up). Two very important awards. Now the one who deleted the edit will sure tell me "real awards are awards where he has earned first place". Well not for Ballack! You know what, I call all Ballack fans to edit his page,ONLY BALLACK FANS. Those who don't know Michael's career will never understand the importance of these awards. And I myself am not obliged to give a whole lecture to convince you the importance of each award. But I will do that one last time for the ignorant who deleted the post. Michael Ballack was a marvelous goal scorer in Germany. But when he went to Chelsea, he's fantastic goalscoring record has burnt into ashes. Michael is magnificent in front of goal! That's why keeping "Bronze Boot..." is a must! Imagine, a midfielder...one season...17 goals! 
Now for the "German footballer of the year 2008 (Runner up). He got another runner up! If you know Michael Ballack, you will sure know the runner up enigma. Do you? Michael Ballack has lots of silver medals. He was runner up for lots of competitions/awards. For those who think that a runner up is not important, well they're just stupid. Some would give so much attention to the winner and ignore the runner up. Doesn't the runner up deserve recognition!? Built an amazing journey to fall at the last minute. Well Michael's silver medal deserve recognition...at least on Wikipedia!  
So I'm gonna add these two awards in the next two days.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.31.230.215 (talk) 22:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual 

message: Can someone edit this section; it's incomplete.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 (talk) 12:29, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd spell at leverkusen

message: I'm going to edit it with a new style. The source is very reliable and correct. 
Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 (talk) 13:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Anon IP: Please do not keep adding it. Transfermarkt isn't the most reliable of sources and your table is not helpful in its appearance. Jared Preston (talk) 17:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's over the top and indeed messy. The reformat makes little sense as the previous table is in chronological order by team season. Also, your version probably fails quite a few criteria, including WP:NOT. PS - if you click the tab labelled "history", you can see precisely who reverted your edits. Thanks, --Jimbo[online] 17:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats Table 

message: Do you think Ballack needs a Style of Play section? Portillo (talk) 11:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style of Play 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Michael Ballack is an ethnic Romani/GypsyYul Brynner, Michael Caine, Charlie Chaplin, fotbalistul Michael Ballack, printre romii celebri în lume.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:5A:F14:58CF:75B3:8959:DFF7:1645 (talk) 09:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Ballack is Romani/Gypsy