Talk:Grey's Anatomy/Archive 1

message: *Take a look at this section. It is overly long and it consists of just a list. The amount of awards that this series has earned is substantial and it will continue to earn more as the series continues. So I propose this section to be moved into another article so that the list can continue expand without violating Wikipedia's polices. - Omghgomg 09:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Another article would help, since the Grey's Anatomy article is long.--Sli723 21:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split the section: [[Grey's Anatomy#Awards|Awards]] into [[Grey's Anatomy Awards]]

message: "In 2005, ABC gave the hit show a vote of confidence by announcing that Grey's Anatomy would recieve the coveted post-Super Bowl time slot on February 5, 2006."
I removed the preceding because of WP:PEACOCK. It could be mentioned in a more NPOV way, and certainly not in the lead. --Christopherlin 04:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote of confidence 

message: I'd like to suggest tagging this article for a cleanup effort. Portions of the piece, particularly the character descriptions, are very poorly written. --AWF
I agree - I edited them as they existed, but I think the character descriptions and plot details could use an overhaul. Just my humble opinion (not sure how that all gets started). NickBurns 02:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Really like how this article has shaped up! It's looking really good (especially since synopses were moved to their own pages). And I like how the catchphrases section has been organized. NickBurns 16:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaping up 

message: :Anyone seeking to link to forum sites needs to read and understand Wikipedia:External links. Continued attempts to add these improper links constitute Wikipedia:Vandalism. Erechtheus 03:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the whole external links area is a mess. I have removed another message board link that is impermissible, but there are several news articles, You Tube videos, and fansites that appear improper. If a link is a source for the article, it needs to be in References. A link to a particularly notable fansite or to a directory of fansites is appropriate, but it needs to be labelled as such and be the only one. Erechtheus 18:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the majority of the external links.  Articles from news syndicates such as Yahoo News, or E! Online articles belong as citations, not external links.  YouTube videos fit under the same category as fansites, and 99% of the time a YouTube video will infringe on copyright.  It's best to stick to official sites, official blogs, and external links that have their own template (i.e. Wikia, IMDb, TV.com, etc...). Jtrost (T | C | #) 18:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forum links 

message: *Season one is good - or ok, at least. It tells about plot and stuff in season one of the show.
*Season two - good information, and should be included somewhere, perhaps even there, but where is the synopsis we need?! Someone needs to add a synopsis.
*Season three - I'm not sure if anything about the synopsis is known yet, but if it is, we should add it, and if not, we should at least mention that no episodes of it have aired yet, and that's why, and then add a SHORT synopsis as the season progresses.
Are you all with me? Anyone? Please - somebody has to fix this up, and as I haven't seen all the episodes, it might be better if it was someone else. Emily (Funtrivia Freak) 20:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season synopses section 

message: Should a section be added on how Grey's pays tribute to other medical-type shows?  The fact there is a recurring character Dr Mark Sloan (a character name also used on Diagnosis Murder) has me wondering if there are other instances on the show that I'm missing (either in character name, location name, etc) Dwp49423 00:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In a recent TV Guide, Krista Vernoff said that naming Sloan the same as Van Dyke's character on Diagnosis:Murder was unintentional, so I don't know if that was a "tribute". NickBurns 20:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connections to other medical shows 

message: If you notice User:Smarsi has been her/his fansite to this article since March, i've removed it three times tonight and will not remove it again as i will not violate 3RR. MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 20:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've requested said link be blacklisted from Wikipedia. MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 21:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link spam 

message: In the UK, on LIVINGtv season 2 begins with the episode "Into you like a train".
Why does your's begin with "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head"? (Part of out season 1)
Zeldamaster3 17:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 2 

message: Why the random  House reference in this article?  Specifically, "Another NBC Universal production, "House" on Fox television, retorts his subordinate's diagnosis with a reply, "then Grey's Anatomy must have it wrong...""  It's awkwardly inserted after the somewhat more valid comparison to Scrubs.  Additionally, I just watched that episode of House today, and it's not criticism at all, just one of the many snarky comments that Dr. House makes.  Lastly, I don't think this article needs to reference -every- comparison and reference to other medical dramas that air on TV.  However, I don't wish to get rid of it if other people think it's valid, so. Kylara21 10:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, she didn't quit. The character did quit the intern program but has since returned. NickBurns 20:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  House reference 

message: I can't find any statement that in fact all GA episodes are named after songs. Should be inserted somewhere, maybe in the list of episodes article. Subversive element 09:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in the trivia section. Evil Monkey - Hello 05:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episodes named after song titles 

message: That title card is no longer in use, and should be replaced.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.176.169.63 (talk • contribs) 
:Done, Hit your F5 key to refresh. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Title Card Picture Should Be Changed 

message: Start by undirect in the characters named and start new Article!--Brown Shoes22 16:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New articles made like the ones for [[List of Desperate Housewives characters]] 

message: Is there a reason this is here? It seems irrelvant and seems more of a opinion than a objective view. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.122.4.155 (talk) 05:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Fray 

message: Does this line come across as somewhat derogatory and inaccurate to anyone else?
"Like all popular shows, Grey’s Anatomy provides a “point of entry,” an emotional hook that inspires the viewer to engage in the story — specifically, the prospect of romance with successful men." 
How does this theory apply to House, Lost, Desperate Housewives... Friends...etc etc.?
Trcrev 21:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia Question 

message: What is a 38.1 rating?  Million viewers?  This is ambiguous to the non-American reader. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.31.89.170 (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The special episode got a record-high 38.1 rating." 

message: I have tagged this entire article for cleanup.  I also tagged the Trivia section for possible removal or integration and the Viewers section because it needs citation. Most of the information in the Viewers section seems to be included earlier in the article as well.  There is a lot of good information in this article but it suffers from including everything ever known about Grey's Anatomy, much of it written from a non-neutral Point of View, much of it without references and a lot of it repeating. It could use a good paring down, removal of non-encyclopedia material, attention to Wikipedia Neutral Point of View policies and continuation of the start of citing sources. I've done some and will continue. It would be good to have help. Crunch 15:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagged for cleanup 

message: The last paragraph of the Season 3 bit was kind of... yeah, I saw a lot of mistakes, and now after capitalizing a lot of things and adding spaces and everything, I think it's just kind of unneeded. It's a whole paragraph meant to explain the season, and it doesn't really fit in with the other Season... describy things. So yeah, somebody with more experience should probably check it out or something and see if I missed anything or if it's really needed.
Crazyquesadilla 06:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up (a little) 

message: To speak in character-talk: Do we have anything other than Alex's joking comment in the most recent episode that Callie's changed her surname? If not, I think we should hold off for now. Sean Hayford O'Leary 02:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: George character at the end of the episode made reference to Callie's full name and omitted "O'Malley." Safe to leave it off? Sean Hayford O'Leary 03:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I would say that "implies" is a bit of a stretch.  People have referred to her as Callie O'Malley since they first got married--it's cute and joking and all fine and good, but Callie's medical license is under "Torres".  That is the name under which she can legally practice medicine, and she CAN change it, but it's a long and arduous process to do so.  Apart from Bailey's reference and the other characters' joking, there is no indication that Callie has chosen to change her last name.  I would also argue that there is precedent for married women to maintain their maiden names--Bailey and Addison  (who hyphenated her name and reverted to her maiden name upon her divorce).  Furthermore, even in "My Favorite Mistake", Callie's lab coat still reads "Calliope Torres M.D.", not "O-Malley", which could support that she has not in fact taken George's last name. DarkandTwisty29 03:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Callie's surname 

message: Three reasonable possibilities:
* ABC's episode guide gives the spelling as "Iphegenia".
* It's undoubtedly taken from the Greek mythological figure Iphigeneia.
* The article on Iphigeneia gives the alternate spelling "Iphigenia", and uses it here and there.  Per Google, this spelling is an order of magnitude more common than either of the others.
I think we have to take the ABC reference as definitive, though, until/unless they issue a correction.  Emurphy42 06:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Callie's middle name 

message: I appreciate the range of enthnic/racial groups in the show, but conflicts with the setting.  The largest non-white racial group in Seattle is the Asian-American community (~17% of the population), and there are fewer African-Americans than most large cities (less than 10%) - the exact opposite of what you'd expect from watching the show.
The one thing that is shown correctly is that there is comparitively little racial tension in Seattle, and lots of intermarriage.  67.183.15.166 07:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiracial cast vs. Seattle demographics 

message: I think the whole article still needs a good bit of cleanup, but the catchphrases section really hurts my eyes.  Is there a point to listing every single "Mc" reference made in the show.  I mean, a lot of them are made in jest of the Mc-labeling trend--for example, Callie's "McFricken Code of Silence about the adulterous McSex I witnessed" or Cristina's latest rant about dealing with Meredith's "McLovelife".  If we keep adding each tiny "McSomething" to this list, it's just going to grow ridiculously long. Wait, it's already there.  
I think people can get the idea behind "McLabeling" without the virtual cornucopia of examples provided here--I mean, seriously, do we need "McYeah?".  What about:
"A trend began of "McLabeling" characters or other terms.  Cristina started the trend by dubbing Derek Shepherd "McDreamy", and Mark Sloan was later deemed "McSteamy".  Finn Dandridge was called "McVet", while Derek's sister Nancy was christened "McBitchy".  The characters frequently mock their own tendency to Mc-Label, as evidenced by George's "McVomit" and Callie's "McFricken Code of Silence"."
Wouldn't something like that be sufficient to illustrate the instances of Mc-labeling without being overkill?  Just a thought--what do others think?DarkandTwisty29 21:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catchphrases cleanup? 

message: I hope I don't come off intrusive and rude, but I'd like to invite the editors here to help wikia:greysanatomy to grow. This is a Wikia purposely created for the show and all its inherent components, and unlike at Wikipedia, there are no limits to the amount of detail you want to add. 217.129.172.31 15:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grey's Anatomy Wiki 

message: The show has become a piece of crap.  By using magic spirits to bring the main character back to life after an extended period of DEATH it has revealed itself to be the shitty little soap opera we all knew it would become.  I stated as much and cited http://www.jumptheshark.com/g/greysanatomy.htm but had my edit revised.  Could someone find a NPOV way to say it's crap for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.64.2.160 (talk) 23 February 2007
Whether a show is crap or not is purely personal bias, so I am afraid you will not find any way to have this be expressed as  NPOV for it my friend. Whereizben 21:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of the etymology of the phrase "jumping the shark", the fact remains that the concept of shark-jumping is very subjective.  There are some who believe the bomb episode was shark-jumping, some who thought the prom was, and some who think it's the ferry accident.  Because it is subjective, it's impossible to pin-point one moment as the shark-jump, and therefore it doesn't belong in this article.  Also, just a gentle reminder: please sign your posts. DarkandTwisty29 15:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jumped the Shark 

message: I've noticed that the order of the cast list has been changed several times in the past few weeks, mostly moving Patrick Dempsey and/or Isaiah Washington higher in the list.  I'm guessing that this has been done based on perceived importance in the cast--obviously those two names are frequently in the press and PD's "McDreamy" is a huge pop culture thing and it could be argued that PD/Ellen Pompeo and IW/Sandra Oh are the two "big" couples on the show, but that has nothing to do with the order of billing--nor is the placement of IW and PD at the bottom of the list someone's idea of belittling their roles on the show.  I double-checked the order with the most recently aired episode, and based on that I switched T.R. and Justin Chambers, as well as JP, Jr. and Kate Walsh.  The credits read, "with Isaiah Washington and Patrick Dempsey"--that final billing with the preposition "with" is actually a good thing, it reflects upon the actors' value to the show.  I just wanted to add this explanation here so that it could be referenced in case anyone was moved around in the order again--my edit places them in the correct order, as billed. DarkandTwisty29 19:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They should be in this order:  with Dempsey second and Washington fourth because of this list found on ABC Medianet which doesn't use "with and "and."  Because they have the "with" and "and" credit it should be reflected in the article or they should be higher up in the list as can be seen at ABC Medianet. .  --thedemonhog 01:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: listing has traditional used the opening credits for the order of names... thats how it should be done here... -Xornok 02:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Using that logic (ordering them as on ABC Medianet), one could make just as strong an argument that the cast should be listed in the order of their cast bios here on the offical ABC Grey's Anatomy page.  That would put James Pickens Jr. ahead of everyone except Ellen Pompeo and Patrick Dempsey.  One could also argue that they should be listed based on what they're paid, since those figures were recently reported, in which case Isaiah Washington and Katherine Heigl could well wind up on the bottom of the list.  I really think that listing them in billing order--the traditional method, as pointed out by the above response--makes the most sense.  I won't revert it yet, hopefully some other people will add their opinions, so we can establish a better consensus? DarkandTwisty29 04:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is that the opening credits say "with" and "and."  --thedemonhog 03:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your point completely.  The counterpoint I made above is that using your argument, I can make an equally valid one for a different cast order, based on the order in which they appear on the official Grey's Anatomy page.  Personally, I think the most accurate way of listing them is as billed, in the opening credits.  Yes, they do say "with-and".  They could say "featuring-and" or simply "and".  Ultimately, IW and PD are billed last in the credits, so they should be listed last here if the general consensus is to use billing order for listing the cast.  That's the great thing about these discussion pages--it allows for differences of opinion to be expressed and consensus reached.  Currently, there are three opinions on record; two of them support listing the cast, as billed in opening credits, regardless of the "with-and" structure.  Hopefully others will chime in with their thoughts or opinions.  I apologize if you felt I was undermining your argument. DarkandTwisty29 04:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox cast list/billing 

message: I've held off on adding any new news on casting for the spinoff, such as Tim Daly, Paul Adelstein, Chris Lowell, Amy Brenneman, and Merrin Dungey, as I feel there is some ambiguity concerning the circumstances of their casting, and I felt it was best to discuss it here. Lowell's casting in a "coveted role" seems to indicate his attachment particularly to the spinoff series, and the phrase "with an eye to co-star" in relation to Adelstein seemed suggestive that he could star in the spinoff as well, but I'm somewhat unsure. For the others in particular, it seems as if like their casting is similar to that of Hector Elizondo, which looks to be just a guest-starring role. Thoughts? Dancter 05:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: spinoff casting

message: I'm not sure how to fix this but for those who do this link (when talking about the doll in the trivia section) links to easter eggs, not virtual eggs(203.23.60.6 01:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  easter egg link 

message: A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New noticeboard 

message: A discussion has been opened on whether to keep or remove the International Airing section of many TV programme articles.. Cheers—Illyria05 Ring•Contrib. 16:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Airings 

message: Is it true that every episode title is either the title of a song or relates to a song (not necessarily one featured in that episode)?  If so, this might be interesting to include in a potential "Trivia" section.
:This is mentioned in the beginning paragraph.  Yes it is true, and yes interesting, but there does not need to be a trivia item about it.  Wikipedia generally discourages trivia sections.  See WP:TRIVIA.74.244.66.152 02:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music in Episode Titles 

message: We don't know yet what position George will have next year. As such I've moved him to an unknown position section. He could leave the hospital altogether, or come back as a paramedic. Evil Monkey - Hello 09:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ABC confirmed that George would be an intern next season.  Check the link: http://spoilerfix.com/grey.php  Specialk22 18:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, now that we have a source I see no problem as listing him as an intern. I just didn't want him to be in the intern section because a Wikipedia editor was crystal ball gazing. Would be nice if the spoiler site had links to actual press releases, or are they more insider information? Evil Monkey - Hello 21:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  George as an intern? 

message: It's been a few times that people have put a recurring character list on the main page.  I do not think it should be there because that list could get potentially long.  The cast is already large enough and adding a lenthy list of characters will take up a lot of space.  There are so many recurrinng characters on Grey's Anatomy, that's why there is a separate page for characters only.  Should the recurring character list be removed? Specialk22 21:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recurring Characters 

message: References 20 and 21 are no longer present at the location pointed to by their respective URLs.  Just a headsup Docta247 12:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The cast table on the main page is currently too wide for some browsers, and won't hold any further seasons after the twelfth. I have attempted to replace it with the table from the "characters" page (below), but it keeps getting reverted by users who state the current table is "fine". Can we get a consensus on this, because the current table is *definitely* not fine.
 Legend
	Main Cast		Special Guest		Recurring		Guest		Does Not Appear
Actor             	Character                  	Seasons     	Seasons    	Seasons     	Seasons    	Seasons    	Seasons    	Seasons    	Seasons	Seasons	Seasons    	Seasons    	Seasons
Actor             	Character                  	1           	2          	3           	4          	5          	6          	7          	8      	9      	10         	11         	12
Ellen Pompeo      	Meredith Grey              	colspan="12"	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Sandra Oh         	Cristina Yang              	colspan="10"	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Katherine Heigl   	Izzie Stevens              	colspan="6" 	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Justin Chambers   	Alex Karev                 	colspan="12"	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
T. R. Knight      	George O'Malley            	colspan="5" 	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Chandra Wilson    	Miranda Bailey             	colspan="12"	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
James Pickens, Jr.	Richard Webber             	colspan="12"	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Isaiah Washington 	Preston Burke              	colspan="3" 	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Patrick Dempsey   	Derek Shepherd             	colspan="11"	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Kate Walsh        	Addison Montgomery-Shepherd	            	colspan="2"	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Eric Dane         	Mark Sloan                 	            	           	colspan="7" 	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Sara Ramirez      	Callie Torres              	            	           	colspan="10"	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Brooke Smith      	Erica Hahn                 	            	           	            	colspan="2"	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Chyler Leigh      	Lexie Grey                 	            	           	            	colspan="5"	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Kevin McKidd      	Owen Hunt                  	            	           	            	           	colspan="8"	           	           	       	       	           	           	
Jessica Capshaw   	Arizona Robbins            	            	           	            	           	           	colspan="7"	           	       	       	           	           	
Kim Raver         	Teddy Altman               	            	           	            	           	           	colspan="3"	           	       	       	           	           	
Sarah Drew        	April Kepner               	            	           	            	           	           	           	colspan="6"	       	       	           	           	
Jesse Williams    	Jackson Avery              	            	           	            	           	           	           	colspan="6"	       	       	           	           	
Jason George      	Benjamin Warren            	            	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	colspan="1"
Caterina Scorsone 	Amelia Shepherd            	            	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	colspan="2"	
Camilla Luddington	Jo Wilson                  	            	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	colspan="3"	           	
Jerrika Hinton    	Stephanie Edwards          	            	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	colspan="3"	           	
Gaius Charles     	Shane Ross                 	            	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	colspan="1"	           	
Tessa Ferrer      	Leah Murphy                	            	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	colspan="1"	           	
Kelly McCreary    	Maggie Pierce              	            	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	colspan="2"	
Giacomo Gianniotti	Andrew DeLuca              	            	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	colspan="1"
Martin Henderson  	Nathan Riggs               	            	           	            	           	           	           	           	       	       	           	           	colspan="1"
--Unframboise (talk) 20:31, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The current table is definitely fine, as it's not too wide for the page and yes, future seasons will fit perfectly on the table. Please refer to the ER page as they have 15 seasons under it's belt and the character table is totally readable and ordered. MSMRHurricane (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast table 

message: I am currently in the process of creating a franchise page, and was wondering if anyone could help add sources to it. The page is Draft:Grey's Anatomy (franchise) and would follow the same format as the Chicago (franchise) and Law & Order (franchise) pages. Totaldramaandridonculousrace (talk) 06:33, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franchise page 

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