Portal talk:Germany/Archive 1

message: Is there any German Wikipedians noticeboard or a place to reach many German speaking wikipedians? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Now there is: Wikipedia:German Wikipedians' notice board. Please join us there! Kusma (討論) 04:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noticeboard? 

message: Are the selected article and picture listed here to be taken from Wikipedia:Featured articles and Wikipedia:Featured pictures only? It seems like a good idea. Angr/talk 06:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know they don't, and that's always bugged me. I don't think there's likely to be overlap with the Main Page, as the chances of the Main Page and this Portal having the same image or article at the same time are very slim. Keep in mind a lot of Featured Articles and Pictures never make it to the Main Page. If we do need to widen the pool, we could also use Wikipedia:Good articles as well as :de:Wikipedia:Exzellente Bilder that are Germany-related. Angr/talk 08:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: And Germany-related pictures from :commons:Featured pictures, such as :Image:Zwickau Rathaus.jpg and :Image:Werdau Rathaus.jpg. Angr/talk 10:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some discussion on the terminology here: Wikipedia talk:Portal/Archive_3#Overloading "featured" terminology. It seems  we are free to do whatever we want as long as we don't call anything "featured" that isn't a "featured article". Anyway, for quality control it is probably best to just use "featured"-quality things. If we change the article once per fortnight or once per moth, we should not run out of them anytime soon. Kusma (討論) 15:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I read that. If we do include things that aren't technically Featured, we shouldn't use that term. I think, especially for images, we should allow ourselves to include those that are Featured at de: or at commons, even though we can't call them Featured here. As for articles, we have to stick the ones that are on English Wikipedia, so sticking to the FA's is probably a good idea as much as possible. Angr/talk 15:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm starting a subpage where we can list articles and pictures that we can consider using on the Portal page in the future. Angr/talk 12:58, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selected article and picture 

message: I suggest to change the language as follows:
*Visit the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board and help to write, expand and improve Germany-related articles
*List newly created articles
*Update News and Did You Know
*Suggest Selected article and Selected picture on the Portal talk page
*Help to expand the Germany stubs
*Assist with  our Wikiprojects and Wikibooks
This would remove the reference to anniveresaries as we don't have that section on the page and modify the language on the line about Featured Article.  I wasn't clear whether we want to only talk about the Portal:Germany or also include the Main Page.  If we want to include the Main Page then perhaps the 4th item should read:  Nominate and collaborate on a future Featured article and Featured picture.  --Mmounties 23:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree we can do without Anniversaries at the moment. Inviting people to this talk page is also a good idea. As long as we don't have an improvement drive running, I don't think we need to mention that in the "What you can do" section. What Wikiprojects and Wikibooks do we have? Kusma (討論) 23:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just removed the "associated Wikimedia" because there is no article "Germany" on Wikibooks or Wikisource. The links were thus rather pointless, unless we invite people to create them. I know nothing about the Wikisource and Wikibooks culture, though, so I won't do anything about it. Kusma (討論) 23:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know much about Wikibooks; Wikisource would only have a page called "Germany" if there were either a work (book, poem, essay, what have you) or an author named "Germany" included there. Angr/talk 23:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok.  I posted the revision as proposed above and also remove the Wikibooks from the last item for now.  --Mmounties 13:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What you can do section 

message: We should make sure there are links to the Portal page from as many categories and articles as makes sense. Should we use an image for the Portal link?
The standard  produces: 
A choice with the German coat of arms would be , which produces 
Germany portal
Any thoughts or ideas for a better picture?  Kusma (討論) 20:14, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should stick to the standard image, so that it's consistent with the other portal links. Angr/talk 12:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking to the Portal 

message: We'll need new selected articles soon. Here are my suggestions (taken from our repository at Portal:Germany/Selected articles and pictures):
*Image:Lichtenstein Castle: :Image:Castle Lichtenstein at Lichtenstein-Honau, Baden-Württemberg.jpg (featured on en and commons) 
*Article: Cathedral of Magdeburg (featured article), using featured picture :Image:Cathedral of Magdeburg Inside.jpg for illustration
Are there other (better) suggestions? I admit I didn't follow my plan of having a modern article and an old picture or vice versa. We need more modern Featured articles for that, or need to lower our quality requirements (if we do that, we could also move to a faster update schedule, but then I'll really have to rename all the pages that still say "Featured article"). Kusma (討論) 11:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you're being too strict in what you consider "modern": I'd call anything from the 20th century on modern for our purposes, so I'd say Albert Einstein, Anne Frank, Anschluss, Battle of the Bulge, Blitzkrieg, Enigma machine, Frankfurt School, Karl Dönitz, Paragraph 175, Sino-German cooperation (1911-1941), Swastika, Triumph of the Will, Volkswagen Type 2, Western Front (World War I), and Zeppelin are all modern by my estimation. The danger, looking over this list, is that people will start to think this is Portal:Nazi Germany rather than Portal:Germany. Angr/talk 12:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is indeed why I don't want to use more than one or two of these articles per year, especially if they are on the Portal page for a full month. On the quality requirements: I just noticed that WP:GA has changed the process to be used to choose "good articles", and these might actually be usable for us here, giving us a larger choice. Kusma (討論) 12:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be great! But for April, why don't we go with a modern non-Nazi article like Volkswagen Type 2 with, say, :Image:Vw bus t1 v sst.jpg. Angr/talk 12:39, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a good suggestion (better than architecture and architecture as my first idea was), I actually like this better than my suggestion above. If we alternate "modern"/"old", we'll also have time until late May to find another nice "modern" article. Kusma (討論) 12:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created the pages Portal:Germany/Selected article/2006/April for the VW type 2 and Portal:Germany/Selected picture/2006/April for Lichtenstein, since there seems to be no opposition to these choices. Kusma (討論) 14:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selected article and picture for April 

message: For me its a little bit un specific and sounds like selbst beweihräucherung wich is not OK for a country which did not do this we ar big and powerfull thing since 1945. Power as:
:military one is neglectable because the use is very strongly limited by the government and the pressure the people make up if there is any casualties. 
:politicaly the government is weak because of the involvment in the EU, the electorals system, the Bundestag and Bundesrat competition, and several other things.
:in the world, because germany has now a tradition of 60 years of not getting to involved in major crisis around the world.
So the power is limited more than that of others!--Stone 07:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "major economic power"? I think that's true and not too aggressive sounding. Angr (talk • contribs) 08:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine. It was only a suggestion. The germans themselve have always the bigger problem with stating being powerful. Flags, hymn, parade, national day or even to be proud to be german. --Stone 09:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you mean. My impression is that the only German things Germans allow themselves to feel proud of is their bread and their beer. Angr (talk • contribs) 14:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  major power 

message: Would this fit anywhere on the portal page? Wikipedia:Overview of Germany project pages Saint|swithin 08:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it to Wikipedia namespace, since it's not appropriate for article namespace. Angr (talk • contribs) 08:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

text: oh, thanks, forgot that bit :-) Saint|swithin 14:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent page, thanks! I have linked to it from the "Things you can do" section. Kusma (討論) 15:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pulled it all together in one place.  Very nice indeed.  --Mmounties (Talk)   16:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overview of Germany project pages

message: How about instead of doing the old/new thing this month, we pair up the newly featured article Sanssouci with the featured picture :Image:PotsdamSanssouciChineseHouse.jpg? Angr (talk • contribs) 21:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the selected article, I totally agree. I don't really want to insist on this new/old thing, it will probably prove to be impossible to implement soon, given our selection of pictures. I would prefer some more variety (just on principle), but I don't really have a better suggestion yet. For the Sanssouci article box itself, I would suggest :Image:Bronzelettern Sanssouci.jpg if we go with twice Sanssouci. Kusma (討論) 23:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like your idea, Angr.  I didn't realize we have a featured picture to go along with that article.  I also like the Bronzelettern Sanssouci.jpg image but went to the Commons real quick to see what alternatives are available (just to be on the safe side) and found :Image:Mittelbau Sanssouci.jpg.  Same idea, just a little more building context.  Either would be very nice.  --Mmounties (Talk)   17:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like :Image:Mittelbau Sanssouci.jpg much better; let's use it! Angr (talk • contribs) 18:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created Portal:Germany/Selected article/2006/May and Portal:Germany/Selected picture/2006/May following this suggestion. Please check if they look fine for the Portal page -- I am unfortunately quite busy and on wikibreak for another week. Please do not change the image sizes when you edit the pages -- wider images break the formatting in 800x600. Kusma (討論) 09:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selected article and picture for May 

message: I think we should use a biography article this time, we haven't used any of these. How about Albert Einstein, using :Image:Albert Einstein (Nobel).png? 
As for the picture, I suggest we don't use any of the castles and churches, we have had enough of "old" architecture in May, but use :Image:SonyCenterAtNight.jpg. Any comments? Kusma (討論) 17:51, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like both a lot.  Fully agree with the modern picture, too.  --Mmounties (Talk)   06:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dafür! ;-) Angr (t • c) 07:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are at the usual places Portal:Germany/Selected picture/2006/June and Portal:Germany/Selected article/2006/June now. Kusma (討論) 03:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selected article and picture for June 

message: Is the "Did you know?" section for this portal generated internally, or does it simply pull Germany-related "Did you know?" entries from the main page? — BrianSmithson 12:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "generated internally", i.e. we make it ourselves. Angr (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay; I was going to point a mainpage DYK that had been missed, but guess that's not the case. Thanks. — BrianSmithson 14:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is good, you can just be bold and add it here. The DYKs here are done in a very informal way. Kusma (討論) 14:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did you know? 

message: I think we should lose the dates and names on the section of the Portal itself; details like these and the bragging should be done at Portal:Germany/New article announcements. What my suggestion looks like can be seen (with tomorrow's Anniversaries) at the usual test page: Portal:Germany/Test3. If nobody disagrees violently, I'd like to adopt this for the main portal page. Kusma (討論) 19:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have implemented my suggestion. Kusma (討論) 17:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New format for new articles section? 

message: July is approaching rapidly. How about Featured article Cathedral of Magdeburg, using :Image:Cathedral of Magdeburg Inside.jpg and Featured picture on dewiki :Image:Leuchtturm Arngast.jpg? As we just had a biography, I'd like to wait for at least another month before even suggesting recently featured Georg Forster. Kusma (討論) 01:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me! User:Angr 05:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As usual, please check the pages at Portal:Germany/Selected picture/2006/July and Portal:Germany/Selected article/2006/July. Ideally, somebody should translate :de:Arngast to an Arngast article to go with the picture, and link to it from there. I will be mostly on Wikibreak until mid-July, so I won't be able to do it. Kusma (討論) 19:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selected picture and article for July 

message: How about Georg Forster, using :Image:Georg Forster.jpg as selected article and the castle of Wernigerode as selected picture (:Image:WernigerodeCastleWinter.jpg)?  Georg Forster is a Featured article and Wernigerode Castle is a Featured picture on Commons. Kusma (討論) 09:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, but perhaps still a bit too long at Portal:Germany/Selected article/2006/August. Kusma (討論) 15:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article and picture for August 

message: This time I can't really make up my mind. Zeppelin and Paragraph 175 would be possible candidates... (non-bio, newer than 18th century are my constraints for this month) ... anybody else want to decide or suggest something else? For the image, I like :Image:MarxEngels 4a.jpg (Featured on :de:) but as usual am open for any good suggestion. Kusma (討論) 11:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't we use Zeppelin for September and save Paragraph 175 for October, to recognized National Coming Out Day? User:Angr 11:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The perfect day would be 17 May of course, but October is fine. Any takers for a short summary of Zeppelin at Portal:Germany/Selected article/2006/September? Kusma (討論) 11:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have summarised it (not very well). The pic is also ready. Kusma (討論) 11:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A translation of :de:Marx-Engels-Forum would be nice, BTW, if anybody feels like doing that. Kusma (討論) 11:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  September article and picture