Talk:Deutschlandlied

message: Additional information on Petkovic's motivation and ethnic self identification is imho way too much detail for this article on the anthem (nor did her reaction and attitude differ all that much from the rest of German team).
That aside simply adding her (foreign) place of birth provides not explanatory value on its own. To draw any reasonable conclusions on self identification you need to know where (and how) a person was raised, i.e. the socialization during its childhood and adolescence. That however would require even more details and all that stuff is too much off topic here and at best belongs in Petkovic's own WP article.--Kmhkmh (talk) 16:37, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detail on Petkovic and her reaction 

message: Is there an explanation (preferably with a source) for the recent change from the River Memel to the town of the same name?  The use of the definite article ("die Memel") in German and the context of the other three waterways would suggest that the river is intended. --Boson (talk) 00:14, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memel river or town? 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: The way the "Modern use of the first stanza" section is currently worded is flawed as it seems to imply the first stanza is controversial in contemporary Germany, but it doesn't actually elucidate as to why exactly this is. This can be confusing to somebody with no prior knowledge on the matter reading the article. Thus, somebody should add more context as to why it is controversial rather than assuming everybody already knows. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 11:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Modern use of first stanza" section 

message: Apologies, because I am new to editing Wikipedia articles, but is there a reason that, in the main side bar on the right, the Readopted date (1952) is listed before (above) the Relinquished date (1945)? I believe it would make more sense to list them in chronological order (Relinquished → Adopted), rather than the way it is now. As of now, upon an initial reading of the side bar thing (whose name I don't know, but I do know that it is the first thing one tends to read), it appears that Deutschlandlied is no longer the national anthem of Germany, because the last event listed is that of it being "Relinquished." I would suggest that the two entries ("Readopted" and "Relinquished") be switched, so that it is clear from the side bar that this song is the current national anthem of Germany.
Ggmcmahon (talk) 05:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem lies with the template code. I raised the matter at Template talk:Infobox anthem#adopted/until/readopted. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the Order of Dates in the Right Sidebar 

message: The article claimed: 
This is not supported by the linked video. The video shows East-German players, not singing to what I presume is their respective anthem. But why is this mentioned to begin with? Without context, this does not really say much. It looks like this was the match West Germany - East Germany in the group phase. All in all, lacking the necessary context, I removed it for now from the article because I don't see how this is relevant to understanding the topic 'Deutschlandlied' better. effeietsanders 19:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You are mistaken. The clip opens with the last few bars of the East German national anthem, and the East German players not singing it. The clip then shows how the whole West German team remains silent during the playing of the "Deutschlandlied". So the text you removed was correct. I don't think it needs any more context, but I agree that its relevance is dubious. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:51, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  1974 FIFA 

message: “Über“ in this instance probably more properly over, not above
“blühen” as blossoming/blooming opposed to flourishing
Both translations of the words are correct, but the meaning is altered by choice of English word 2607:FEA8:7CE0:FE00:380F:8241:BD1E:369F (talk) 23:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: As found in edit history that looks the pronunciation is determined by the IPA in the anthem looks to be correct:
[ˈdɔʏtʃlant ˈdɔʏtʃlant yːbɐ alɛs]
[yːbɐ alɛs ɪn dɛɐ vɛlt]
[vɛn ɛs ˈʃtɛts tsʊ ʃuːts ʊnt ˈtʁʊtsə]
[bʁyːdɐ̯lɪç tsuːzamn̩ˈhɛːlt]
[fɔn dɛɐ maːs bɪs an diː ˈmɛməl]
[fɔn dɛɐ ɛtʃ bɪs an dɛn ˈbɛlt]
[ˈdɔʏtʃlant ˈdɔʏtʃlant yːbɐ alɛs]
[yːbɐ alɛs in dɛɐ vɛlt]
[ˈdɔʏtʃlant ˈdɔʏtʃlant yːbɐ alɛs]
[yːbɐ alɛs in dɛɐ vɛlt]
[ˈdɔʏtʃɛ ˈfʁaʊən ˈdɔʏtʃɛ tʁɔʏə]
[ˈdɔʏtʃɐ vaɪn ʊnt ˈdɔʏtʃɐ zaŋ]
[ˈzɔln̩ ɪn dɛɐ vɛlt ˈbɛhaltn̩]
[iːrən altn̩ ʃøːnən klaŋ]
[ˈuns tsʊ ɛdlɐ tat bɛgaɪˈstɛʁn]
[ˈunzɐ ganˈtsɛs lɛbən laŋ]
[ˈdɔʏtʃɛ ˈfʁaʊən ˈdɔʏtʃɛ tʁɔʏə]
[ˈdɔʏtʃɐ vaɪn ʊnt ˈdɔʏtʃɐ zaŋ]
[ˈdɔʏtʃɛ ˈfʁaʊən ˈdɔʏtʃɛ tʁɔʏə]
[ˈdɔʏtʃɐ vaɪn ʊnt ˈdɔʏtʃɐ zaŋ]
[aɪnɪçˈkaɪt ʊnt ʁɛçt ʊnt ˈfʁaɪhaɪt]
[ˈfyːʁ das ˈdɔʏtʃɛ ˈfaːtɐˌlant]
[ˈdanax last ʊns alə ˈʃtʁɛbən]
[bʁyːdɐ̯lɪç mɪt ˈhɛʁts ʊnt ˈhant]
[aɪnɪçˈkaɪt ʊnt ʁɛçt ʊnt ˈfʁaɪhaɪt]
[zɪnt dɛs glʏkɛs ʊntɐpfant]
[blyː ɪm ˈglantsə diːzes glʏkɛs]
[blyːə ˈdɔʏtʃɛs ˈfaːtɐˌlant]
[blyː ɪm ˈglantsə diːzes glʏkɛs]
[blyːə ˈdɔʏtʃɛs ˈfaːtɐˌlant]
Certainly that it should include in the lyrics section.
ApprenticeWiki work 23:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't parse you introduction and closing. As for the substance of your proposed addition: a) several objections to your transcription have been made here before – see #Pronunciation, and I agree with them; b) it needs a reliable source; c) it needs consensus that it's needed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonetic transcription 

message: In my humble German opinion, there is a misinterpretation in the English translation "Germany, Germany above all". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied#Title
It should be correctly translated "Germany, Germany more than everything in the world", because it does not read "über allen" ("above everyone"), which would mean persons, it says not even "über allem", which contained a clear dominance in the sense of a direction from above (heaven, more worth) to below (foot people, lower status) or existential relevance. The top floors in skyscrapers are known to be the most expensive.
For example, it is not possible to say "Er thront über alles"  (that would be wrong German), but only "Er thront über allem/allen" ("He is enthroned over everything/everyone"). The word combination "über alles" is a common reinforcement of a preceding verb expressing a very positive (love) or negative (hate) emotion. So you could say, "Ich brauche es über alles" ("I need it above all else") or  "Ich fürchte es über alles" ("I fear it above all else"). https://www.dict.cc/?s=%C3%BCber+alles2A02:8109:25C0:6C8:C8:F17F:6360:C6AB (talk) 20:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That's all correct and these same points have been raised in past discussions here, e.g. Talk:Deutschlandlied/Archive 2#"Above all" is just bad German. What you're missing is the wider meaning of "wikt:above all". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Translation? 

message: I think we should re-look at adding IPA. Other national anthem articles have IPA transcriptions (except for those in English, because common English words don't need IPA transcriptions here). German words do not fall under the category of common English words, so I think this should be added. Any thoughts? TheGreatAustralian (talk) 05:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What's done in other articles (or in :simple:) has no bearing on this article. There were several objections to previously proposed IPA transcriptions. As usual on Wikipedia, anything without reliable and reputable sources is likely to be challenged. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA transcription 

message: I have added back the IPA because other national anthems have IPA, it is allowed and recommended under :MOS:IPA and because a source is not needed. Even other German-language anthems have IPA (e.g the National anthem of Austria). Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 05:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA re-added 

message: Hello, I deleted some statements from the introduction because (a) they are not really necessary there and (b) they are a little bit dubious. First, the Lied der Deutschen was a somewhat popular song in its first decades, but not more than that. The most famous national song of the 1848 period was certainly "Was ist des Deutschen Vaterland" by Arndt.
Second, the tradition of the German flag stems from the period after 1830; the 1778 flag of one principality is a coincidence. The colours became official in 1848 (via the Bundestag and later via the National Assembly). In contrast to the flag, there was no official anthem prior to 1922.
Third, there were several reasons for Ebert to choose this song as the national anthem in 1922. The liberal tradition was one of them; another the national aspect and that it had become popular in the First World War. Ebert hoped to include the political right with this song.
Kind regards, Ziko (talk) 09:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbols of the revolution 

message: There is an error in the description of the map "Contemporary German conceptions of the "German language" ...": Borders of German Customs Union are given in green, not brown. I don't know how to change this in the box, maybe somebody else can help. Oberschwabe01 (talk) 09:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in map description