Talk:Bombing of Pforzheim in World War II

message: the article was copied from page pforzheim.
it should be on an own page, because it becomes larger and larger. -- 13:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

message: see Pforzheim and Bombing of Dresden in World War II --Walter Görlitz 21:24, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Verified

message: Dropped the tag on because
#wouldn't hurt to have some more wiki-linking in
#poor quality English - certainly in some sections 
GraemeLeggett 17:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Remark: This brief history is partly based on the German language brief history included in the Web site of the City of Pforzheim, a series of articles in Pforzheimer Zeitung during the first three months of 2005 published on the occasion of the 60th commemoration of Pforzheim's bombardment, and the book: Hans-Peter Becht: Pforzheim in der fruehen Neuzeit, Pforzheimer Geschichtsblaetter 7, Jan Thorbecke Verlag, Sigmaringen, 1989. The author M.H.)
It needs someone with access to these references to check them and add the necessary footnotes to the text. --Philip Baird Shearer 23:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Not sure what you mean by the last comment. The differences seem to be more style than substance/ --Philip Baird Shearer 17:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup 

message: There are still a number of facts given in this article which are not in the current written sources, or have not been identified as the sources. As the figures and some of the other statment do not seem unreasonable it would be a shame to removed them just because there is no source given , so for the moment I have placed the not verified template on the top in the hope that someone can come up with the original sources and add them to the notes. --Philip Baird Shearer 17:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: there are a lot of sources, but offline, written in tons of books, all german. How should that be brought to the net? Wega14 00:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Hi, I am the guy who ported most of the German Wikipedia article on Pforzheim to the English version, except for the history section, which I put together more or less from scratch based on all kinds of sources. I also wrote the air raid section without quoting sources, which eventually caused this mess. I am sorry for that, but it happens that I am very short of time, and doing it right is very, very time-consuming. But as you got so excited about it, I finally included most of the sources, not all yet. Of course, they are in German, but at least most of them can be accessed on the internet. So, you may choose to trust me (but can I really be trusted ? After all, I was one of those kids who spent their childhood playing in the rubble left by that air raid ! ) and eventually remove that sticker on the page, or you may not, in which case you will have to find some friends whom you can trust and who speak German well enough to understand the sources. Make your choice, but, please, do not eliminate my sources only because they are not in English. And by the way: I have a little more to say about the subject of "reasons for the raid" without any hard feelings, however I have to concentrate now on a multitude of issues at least until the middle of March and must delay those comments until then. In the meantime, thanks for your efforts and keep up the good work.
With my best wishes from Japan (no longer Pforzheim since early 80s but still caring very much for that heap of rubble on Wallberg), Hild 15:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template:not verified

message: It states that the allied pilots were "murdered" by civilians. This has been changed to killed. Wallie (talk) 06:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually as legitimate Prisoners of War they were killed illegally - i.e., murdered. Civilians wouldn't have had any right to be involved anyway, aircrew prisoners were the responsibility of the Luftwaffe. 'Summarily murdered' is probably the correct phrase to use, which would have been the same correct phrase to use if a Luftwaffe crew had been unlawfully killed by British civilians when the boot had been on the other foot in 1940/41.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.71.28 (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, don't start no somethin, won't be no something.  You done dropped your pistol when you broke in the window-that's your ass I guess.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.170.233 (talk) 05:28, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

text: The hundreds of murders of bailed-out Allied aircrew by Germans were most certainly murders, since bailed-out aircrew were protected by the Geneva Convention, and quite a number of Germans were executed for those murders after the war. Only one bailed-out German airman was ever beaten to death by a British mob -- in London on 15 September 1940, before troops were able to intervene. It was not possible to identify or prosecute the perpetrators. In that case, the German bomber was believed to have been heading for Buckingham Palace in an attempt to kill the King (in fact it had already dropped its bombs on Battersea). The intercepting RAF fighter pilot, Sgt RT 'Artie' Holmes of 504 Sqn, was out of ammunition, so he rammed the bomber and chopped its tail off with his propeller. He then parachuted to safety. The bomber crashed on Victoria Station, oddly enough without killing anyone. This incident appears in the 1969 film Battle of Britain, where the fighter pilot is played by Edward Fox. (The bomber is portrayed as a Heinkel 111. It was actually a Dornier 17Z. And the interceptor was a Hurricane, not, as in the film, a Spitfire.) It's deeply regrettable that one of the bailed-out German crew -- the pilot, 27-year-old Oblt Robert Zehbe -- was attacked by an angry mob in Kennington, including women wielding pokers, and later died of his injuries after he was rescued by troops, but there wasn't any legal way of proceeding against those responsible. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20100928/285855844430832 In Germany, on the other hand, such murders were actually encouraged and were often carried out by local Nazi officials. Believe it or not, in the Second World War, the Nazis were the bad guys. Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Murder?

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message: The damage done to the material civilization of Europe and Asia is one of the most distressing aspects of World War II. There should be a section on medieval buildings lost to the bombing, artwork destroyed, museums artifacts lost, etc. The RS's may swing heavily in the German language as far as numbers go. Any editors up for it? HammerFilmFan (talk) 01:17, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: damage to historical buildings, artifacts, artwork

message: The article talks of a South African RAF airmen who served as master bomb aimer on that raid and won the last WWll RAF VIctoria Cross. The article states he was a major. The RAF did not have majors. Perhaps he was the equivalent of a major, which is Squadron Leader?
Some commissioned officer British Army to RAF equivalents are;
Second Lieutenant - Pilot Officer
Lieutenant - Flying Officer
Captain - Flight Lieutenant
Major - Squadron Leader
Lieutenant Colonel - Wing Commander
Colonel - Group Captain
Brigadier - Air Commodore
Major General - Air Vice Marshal
Lieutenant General - Air Marshal
General - Air Chief Marshal
Field Marshal - Marshal of the Royal Air Force  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.30.119 (talk) 12:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If you had bothered to read Ted Swales' article, you would have your answer : he was a South African Air Force officer, not a (British) RAF one. 217.167.255.177 (talk) 11:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  RAF aircrew did not include the rank of major