Talk:Rock in Rio

message: a-ha played for a paying audience of 195 000 people at Maracana in 1991. It is by Guinnes Book of Records stated as the biggest paying audience for a concert. The numbers for Queen must be wrong....................... There might be artists with bigger audiences after that show in Rio ( even though I doubt, paying audiences ), but I don't understand where the Queen numbers come from. ( sign: Mortyman )
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mortyman (talk • contribs).
There was no reason to delete my comment about a-ha. Here is the source:
a-ha played for a paying audience of 195 000 people at Maracana in 1991. It is by Guinnes Book of Records stated as the biggest paying audience for a concert. George Michael, Guns'N Roses and Prince played for 60 000 each. a-ha played for 198 000. ( http://www.darsu.btinternet.co.uk/1991.htm ) and ( http://www.a-ha.com/index.php?nf=1&id=2871&cat=470&status=framed )
16:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rock in Rio 1991

message: I don't think the Lisbon editions of Rock in Rio should be added to the sequence of festivals in Rio de Janeiro... as far as I know the 2006 edition is not being called "Rock in Rio 4" but simply Rock in Rio Lisboa, as was the first one. antiuser 00:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rock in Rio Lisboa

message: The section about the first Rock in Rio states:
The estimated audience of the Queen shows was of 325 thousand for each show. This had been the world record for biggest paying audience up until 2003 (since replaced by Molson Canadian Rocks for Toronto, which drew an audience of 490.000 paying guests).
However, the Rock in Rio II section states:
a-ha's performance is stated in the Guinness Book of Records as having the biggest paying audience for a concert, approximately 168.000.
It would be good to have reputable sources for audience sizes. ||| antiuser (talk) (contribs) 23:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Even so, that doesn't change the fact that the Rock in Rio I section states that Queen had an audience larger than 198.000 and that it was surpassed by Molson Canadian Rocks as the largest paying audience. It would be better to have a neutral source rather than fan pages. ||| antiuser (talk) (contribs) 20:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also see other sources stating that the largest paying audience was at a Paul McCartney concert, and others that say it was a Tina Turner concert. Can anyone with a real copy of the Guinness Book of Records confirm what the actual record is? ||| antiuser (talk) (contribs) 20:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: I deleted the info regarding the estimates for the Queen shows, as there is not posted any source for it. In 1991 a-ha set a Guinnes Book world of records by playing for 195 000 paying audience. I have mentioned this numorous times and added several sources to this. Guns N'Roses were no where near the numbers that a-ha played for. Guns N'Roses played for around 60 000. They were pissed at a-ha because of the much bigger crowd they drew .Mortyman (talk) 00:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted

message: I'm not sure how the info regarding Iron Maiden's performance could possibly be correct. To my knowledge, Bruce Dickinson has never played guitar in the band, and the band had both of their guitarists (Adrian Smith and Dave Murray) for that whole tour. Does anyone know anything about why that's there?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.207.114 (talk) 21:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Iron Maiden info

message: I am sick and tired of everyone deleting a-ha's Guinnes Book record from this article. I have given you 4 !!! links to written media where this is mentioned. What is so difficult to accept ? No more deletions of this info. It is undisputable. Just for the fun of it, here is a 5th source: http://www.sonyatv.com/de-de/index.php/articles/artist_writer/90
Mortyman (talk) 07:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Copying and pasting here what I wrote on Mortyman's page. I'd like to request an administrator's opinion on this matter, if possible. JimboB (talk) 14:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I never said that a-ha still has the record. However they were the ones with the largest crowd during rock in rio 2. It was the largest paying audience for a band in the world at the time, as stated by Guinnes Book of records. See my previous links to sources.
Here is a few other sources, including GLOBO of Brazil:
http://ego.globo.com/Gente/Noticias/0,,MUL1032039-9798,00-POR+ONDE+ANDA+O+AHA+A+CAMINHO+DO+BRASIL.html
http://www.caratuleo.com/biografias/biografia_detalle.php?a=36
Mortyman (talk) 22:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The links you provide are simply passing along the story that's been spread around the web by a-ha fans all through the years (and, just for your information, the first one is from Ego, an entertainment site from Globo.com, which is not the same as O Globo, the newspaper; Ego covers celebrities and gossip, so it's like you're sourcing your story with Page Six or something like it). Of course O Globo doesn't have in its website (http://www.oglobo.com.br) an archive with news stories from 1991, so I'll have to work on getting an electronic file from their internal archives to show you the original article, written back in the day, before the a-ha fans started passing their story along. I'm working on this to back up my claim. More news on that as soon as I have them.
Anyway: even if I take your point of view as right, which I don't, if the record doesn't stand anymore, it's pointless information, which only serves the interest of a-ha fans. Wikipedia is not the place for this. And, even if the record once stood, which I don't think it ever did (remember Guinness didn't stop publishing it because it has been beaten; they simply stopped it, period, which may indicate they had second thoughts about is veracity), a-ha's performance at Rock in Rio 2 was never a case of a paying audience gathering to see a single band. It was a nine-day festival, with four to seven bands a day, and you can't possibly claim every single person was there on January 26 to see a-ha. If I thought this sort of claim was correct, I'd simply substitute a-ha for Guns n'Roses, who I claim attracted a bigger crowd on January 20, on the article; notice I didn't do that. This isn't bias against a-ha. If you have any info on crowd numbers for their performance at the Praça da Apoteose on 1989 and wants to add it to their article, I'll have nothing against it. It was totally packed and it was indeed THEIR concert. Rock in Rio 2 was a different matter, however. JimboB (talk) 17:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article is about the various Rock in Rio concerts. What bands, behind the scenes information, stats etc. Regardless of what has happend in the last years since these concerts, the information in this article is about what happend in the past and therefore, a-ha's audience number is valid information. Just like the information of how many burgers were sold etc.
To claim that a-ha fans has managed to convince the world press that a-ha has done something that they have'nt actually done, is absurd. 
Here are a few other sources. Including some very established and well known music / entertainmentmedia in adittion to several Brasilian media:
Q Magazine: http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/4982/lastscan25kn.jpg  ( setting a world record for the largest playing gig of ...etc.... )
Rolling Stone magazine: http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/aha/biography   " and in 1991 played for record-breaking crowds at Brazil’s Rock in Rio concert "
World Music Awards 1993: http://www.abba-world.net/years/articles/billboard_05061993.htm   " they were the only group to fill the 200,000-seat stadium at Rock In Rio "
Globo.com ( br ): http://video.globo.com/Videos/Player/Noticias/0,,GIM988980-7823-MUSICOS+DO+AHA+QUEREM+VOLTAR+A+SENTIR+O+CALOR+DO+PUBLICO+BRASILEIRO,00.html  Recent news segment, mentioning a-ha's rock in rio concert and crowd.
Globo: http://g1.globo.com/jornaldaglobo/0,,MUL1057248-16021,00-AHA+SE+APRESENTAM+EM+SP+E+NO+RIO.html  " a-ha played for almost 200 000 people "
Guinnes Book of Records 2004 ( French version ):  http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4382/dsc00851h.jpg  " a-ha with lthe largest paying audinece for a rock concert. Rock in Rio )
Please note again, that I have not said that a-ha still holds the record. But as this article is about the Rock in Rio festival, it's appropriate information to add to the rock in rio 2 section. Regardless if it's outdated or not.
Guinnes Book of records get thousends of new records every year, so not every record get a place in the book. As you can see from the source abow, the record was mentioned atleast to the 2004 edition. Wich means that the record stood for atleast 13 years.
Regardless of how one twist and turn it, the day that a-ha happend to play, was the day that the audience was at it's peak. a-ha was the last band to play that when the audience peaked.
Mortyman (talk) 15:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: a-ha performance

message: has the entire 2010 line up for lisbon and madrid been confirmed yet?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocknroll47 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: full 2010 lineup confirmed?

message: This is rock in rio, not pop in rio, i changed some of the images.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.53.253.105 (talk) 18:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: "Rock in Rio" implies a rock festival, but it is really a rock and pop festival  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.199.45 (talk) 23:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name is misleading 

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message: Four years after the discussion started, here it is: from the digital archive of Jornal do Brasil newspaper, now finally online, a link that states exactly how many people were at Rock in Rio on the night of the a-ha performance. 100.000, not the purported 198.000 figure that fans of the band have been promoting for years. This is no second-hand link like the ones presented here before; this is from the Monday immediately after the concert. Also, this comes from an established newspaper, not from fan pages or poorly sourced entertainment website articles. I believe this ends the discussion, finally. Here it is, for everyone who needs to see it. It's the front page and the Rock in Rio mention stands at the bottom of the page. It's in Portuguese, but I believe "100.000" speaks for itself - and there's always Google Translate, anyway: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=0qX8s2k1IRwC&dat=19910128&printsec=frontpage&hl=en JimboB (talk) 15:57, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hey JimboB. Here it is straight from the horse mouth:
From the Rock in Rio official site, you can check out the number for a-has performance, as they are mentioned in the section if giant numbers ... How many spectators in total there has been to the shows during all the years, how many who has been employed over the years, how many who has been during an entire festival etc .... and A-ha's 198 000 show:
The picture and notes are from the official site of the festival and both in English and Portuguese. Here are some pictures and link to the section where this info can be found:
A-ha 198 000 Un recorde:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/Mortyman/10406359_10152794874611211_1528537731102882652_n_zpsf2a9a20c.jpg
A-ha 198000 A record:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/Mortyman/10547550_10152355381761856_2979491268675044845_n_zps1ca9b24e.jpg
And the link to the site:
http://rockinrio.com/usa/meet-the-giant/
Here is one more:
http://rockinrio.com/rio/en/blog/o-a-ha-vai-tocar-no-rock-in-rio/
The info will be added back on and I have to ask you not to delete it again. Mortyman (talk) 17:28, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Someone reverted the number for the A-ha concert to 100.000. Please do not do this. As mentioned above, official Rock in Rio site says 198.000 people for the A-ha concert and this is also why A-ha was mentioned in the Guinnes Book fo Records for the largest audience for a pop band at the time. This number , as painful as it no doubt is for Guns. N Roses fans are the correct number. https://rockinrio.com/rio/pt-br/historia/. Mortyman (talk) 16:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Third party review officially requested. JimboB (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: A-ha's supposed audience record

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message: I went to RiR 1985 for Thursday the 17th, Friday the 18th, and Saturday the 19th.  Rock Saturday had Erasmo Carlos as the second local act (https://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/app/noticia/diversao-e-arte/2017/01/13/interna_diversao_arte,565115/quem-foram-as-atracoes-do-rock-in-rio-1985.shtml) and I clearly remember him canceling the concert that night.  The crowd was ecstatic about that since we really came for the international acts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.105.122.4 (talk) 20:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  1985: line-ups