Talk:Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40,000)/Archive 1

message: It appears to be a copyvio from a printed source, though I cannot verify. Note the contrast between the bulk of the text and the apparently original paragraph at the bottom. Even if it's not a copyvio, do we really need this level of detail about an old edition of a game? -Rholton 22:43, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old VfD

message: * Should we merge this with Warhammer 40,000? Perhaps include as a timeline section? -- Metahacker 16:19, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible merge with Warhammer 40,000

message: Goofy question, but in keeping in line with game material, should all pronouns in reference to the Emperor be capitalized? --Paul Soth 06:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalisation of pronouns

message: I dont agree with you on these points, sorry to say so but it seems more like you want it to look like the nazi movement.
answers to your examples:
-The theme of maintaining genetic purity within the human race 
This has nothing to do with the nazi movement, the romans thought them self superior, so did the greeks, the french, the british and i could continue. And the Imperium dont think the humans are superior, but that the emperor are. And what about all mutations of humans that also are in a Imperial army?
-The strong Roman-inspired iconography; eagles, classical architecture, decorative banners, etc. 
Maybe they are based on romans and not nazi's. And the nazis didnt use that much roman influence, they used more nordic.
-The idea of genetics dictating role or importance within society (the Space Marines are all genetically descended from the Emperor, by way of the Primarchs. This makes them superior to other beings*). 
This could also be inspired from the religious themes (Some fanatic Christians and muslims consider themself superior due to their desent from god).
The unswerving loyalty to their leader, and the God-like status their Emperor is given by them. 
Nazis wasnt that loyal and didnt believe in Hitler as a god. I mean come on they tried to kill the bastard twice.
I think again there are more ties to religions factors.
-The Terminator Cross (Crux Terminatus), a distinction given to the greatest veterans and heroes of the Space Marines, is similar in shape to the German Iron Cross (though the Iron Cross pre-dates Nazi Germany). 
Or it could be based on the Knights Cross that Knights got from their king for great and loyal services.
-The Imperial Guard especially contains very obvious references to the Nazis; the game rules allow the use of a 'Blitzkrieg' attack.
A strategy that was invented by the Germans but used by both Nato and Sovjet union, do you also claim that Nato and Sovjet are based on Nazi Movement?
-One of the elite Imperial Guard units are called 'Stormtroopers', and this unit's logo is a lightning flash, which is obviously similar to the SS logo and the uniforms worn by Imperial officers is very similar to the garb worn by Nazi officers (especially those of the Armageddon line). 
First the German troops you refer to are called Storm pioneers not Storm troopers (Stormtroopers was from 1. world war, not 2.) Secondly Storm pioneers was not part of the SS but of standard Wehrmact (Army) so no SS signs on their collar.
Third the lightning could also be inspired from the blitz in Blitzkrieg (which means lightning). Fourth The armyrange from Armageddon Steel legion are loosely based around late WW1 and WW2 theme (hence the gasmasks, german appeance, mechanized support and troop transports. That is their theme, you didnt mention Catachan that looks like Rambo or any other of the themes in the Imperial Guard. When you go through them all you will find that they are all based around historical military units or famous movie soldiers (Rambo, Kelly's Hero's, Dirty Dozens). Sneaking Viper 04:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding comparison to the Nazi movement 

message: I believe the whole thing or most of the aticle about Nazis and the Imperium should be deleted. It is based on speculative opinions that are farfetched. It does not belong in a Encyclopedia. You could even say that the Imperium has the viewpoint of the Roman Empire(who Hitler based a lot of his iconogy off of). There is also no parrell between Warhammer and Warhammer 40k. They are completely seperate except for the names. As for "genetic purity" the Romans themselves despised all who were unroman, and they wanted to conquer all who they considered inferior to them. The Romans also used mass numbers of troops and good tactics to beat their enemys(just add tanks for Warhammer 40k). Emporer 22:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''This Nazi aricle doesn't belong in an encyclopedia!''' 

message: *Would a conservate estimate for ships be in the hundred thousands, the thousands, what? What about their land forces? I was coming across an IOM VS United Federation of Planets (ST), so I just wanted a rough estimate of the strength of the Imperium. The Gwai Lo 21:35, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size of the Imperium of Man's Army and Navy 

message: Moved to Talk:Tau (Warhammer 40,000) -- Sasuke Sarutobi 14:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tau (moved) 

message: Looking at other pages on this topic, none say that the Emperor could have easily beaten Horus if he had not underestimated Horus' corruption. I don't know that this is wrong, but because it is missing on every other 40k page I have seen on Wikipedia, it seems questionable. If anyone knows definitively, please change it.
I believe that in White Dwarf 131, it was stated that the Emperor was holding back the whole time during the battle with Horus, and when he finally unleashed his full power Horus was disintegrated - http://www.thewarp.net/war/stern/emperorvshorus.html
*But the Black Legion's Index Astartes article states that Horus' body was easily recoverable by Abaddon. My understanding on the matter is that the Emperor was the more powerful of the two, but held back until he understood the depth of Hours' corruption - and even then the fiht could have gone either way. Saberwyn - The Zoids Expansion Project 21:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emperor Could Have Easily Beaten Horus? 

message: Reading these 2 sections it is obvious that they are Original Reasearch. I propose that either a reference is provided for this surmissions or they be deleted under WP:NOR, WP:CITE and WP:NPOV. -Localzuk (talk) 10:51, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks to me like there are a few snippets that can be salvaged and merged into the "History of the Imperium" and "Background to the Imperium in other Science Fiction" sections, but I agree that the section headings and the bulk of the material should go. -- Saberwyn 11:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Themes and Alternate Themes 

message: A section of information which I previously reverted has just been readded. To me, this section is very much unsourced speculation and PoV and doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article, but I'll float it here before removing again. Any views? Cheers --Pak21 09:31, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background additions 

message: I remember there was a page dedicated to the Geen-Seeds of the Space Marines, and their functions. Anyone can point me to that page? Can't find it. =/ NeoDeGenero (talk) 15:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gene-Seed

message: The current population on the sidebar says "Unknown but vast, likely hundreds of trillions"
Does this number seem a tad bit too high for anyone else?
*Its about right for an estimate. You have to remember, the Imperium spans the whole galaxy (or most of it) and there are thousands and thousands of worlds. If a planet has a billion people (in the fiction and in the Codexes, every planet invaded seemed to be home to billions of people) than trillions or even quadrillions is correct. By accounts of Terra, it seems like the whole planet is as population dense as a busy New York City day. SanchiTachi 15:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Population