Talk:David Bronstein

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Although it should be better written, some mention of the theories and accusations of thrown games. 
:Like many other instances, there is credible theory that Bronstein was forced to throw the match by the Soviet oligarchy, to allow the Russian Botvinnik to win. Similarly, in the 1953 candidates tournament in Zurich, there is further speculation that there were pressure for the non-Russian Soviets, Keres and Bronstein to allow Smyslov to win.
::On 1953 Zurich: www.chesscafe.com/text/skittles171.pdf
::On 1951 WC match, David Bronstein's memoirs neither confirms nor denies having to throw games. From "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" (Cadogan, 1995), "A lot of nonsense has been written about  this," he says, but adds "I was subjected to strong psychological pressure from various sources and it was entirely up to me to yield to that pressure or not" (p. 16).
Other GMs, notably GM Larry Evans, have supported these claims.
R.I.P. David Bronstein. I have added an interesting piece of trivia to the article, and made another very minor edit, improving the position of a set of parentheses within a sentence. Vonhangman 07:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In April 2005, I was chatting with Tom Furstenburg (who co-authored Sorceror's Apprentice) on the ICC, and asked him about Bronstein, since he was my favorite player He said "Bronstein has no email and his health is not good; very high blood pressure. Besides he's becoming a bit more weird than usual - I wanted to be with him to celebrate his 80th birthday (2004), but declined and said that he would go into hiding that day - unreachable for the world!" So I will add a small snippet that his health had been in decline. Barney Gumble 02:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: The article says "In the 1954 team match against the USA, held in New York, Bronstein scored an almost unheard-of sweep, at this level, of all four of his games on second board."  This must have errors because (1) there was no Olympiad in New York, and (2) in 1954, Bronstein was third board (not second).  Bubba73 (talk), 16:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not near any of my reference material right now, but I think that wasn't an Olympiad but rather a continuation of the USA vs USSR team matches that had begun with the famous 1948 radio match humiliation of the US.  A US team subsequently went to Moscow (in 1952 I think) and lost again, then the Soviet team came to the US in 1954 and the US lost for a third time.  I think at that point the US had had enough and cried "no mas". 165.189.101.177 (talk) 19:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I misread it as being part of the Olympiad.  Bubba73 (talk), 22:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympiad 

message: The section states:
:Bronstein challenged throughout in Switzerland, and finished tied for second through fourth places, together with Keres and Samuel Reshevsky.
What does the phrase to which I have add emphasis actually mean? Some words must have dropped out JacquesDelaguerre (talk) 20:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career after 1951 

message: Quoting I. A. Horowitz on Bronstein is not an offense to NPV or WTA .... Horowitz was the greatest American chess commentator until Fine emerged and his assessment is entirely relevant and fitting in an encyclopedic article. JacquesDelaguerre (talk) 22:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Then it needs to have markup as quotation, or copyedit to clarify it is coming from Horowitz (not just a superscript footnote ref), because the way it is presented right now, it is in Wikipedia's voice. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 00:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPV & WTA 

message: Should the 57th move in game 6 of the 1951 World Championship be highlighted on this page? Various sources and commentary claim this was Bronstein's undoing in the match and loss of confidence leading to the inability to regain a championship form. It would be interesting to read a study on this possibility. Joel.sbateman (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  1951 World Championship Game 6 move 57: Kc2?? 

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message: I haven't read Bronstein's book, but I've found parts people have put on line, and I have cut and pasted them at Talk:World Chess Championship 1954. I can't see any allegation that Smyslov was favoured because he was Russian. Rather (Bronstein alleges), Bronstein and Keres were pressured to draw with Smyslov because Smyslov was leading and Reshevsky was coming second. So it was about stopping a non-Soviet (Reshevsky) from winning, not stopping a non-Russian. If someone has access to the book and can show otherwise, obviously I'm happy to change it back. Adpete (talk) 12:06, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candidates 1953 allegations 

message: At one point the article currently says:
It is sometimes further alleged that Smyslov was favoured over Bronstein and Keres because he was Russian and they were not (Jewish-Ukrainian and Estonian respectively).
But in the infobox it says Bronstein's country was "Soviet Union → Russia", and the article is categorized under "Russian chess players" as well as "Soviet chess players".
Was he considered as Russian or wasn't he? --69.159.8.46 (talk) 21:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he represented/lived in the Soviet Union and when it was disbanded, he represented/lived in Russia, so there is nothing incorrect. The article is speaking of the prevailing 'system preferences' at the time that Bronstein was bidding to become a world champion. It is commonly believed that the state heads and institutions always showed a discriminatory attitude against those citizens who were not pure (White) Russians, i.e. born in (modern day) Russia itself and allied to the orthodox religions. This in effect meant that being Jewish or part-Jewish, or being born in one of the neighboring republics identified you as a second class citizen. Consequently, it is thought that Smyslov and Botvinnik always got generous state support, while Bronstein and Keres (also people like Levenfish, born in Poland), did not. I'm simplifying things somewhat, as the complexities of the revolution, the Bolsheviks and anti-Bolshevik movements may also have a bearing (I'm no expert), but hopefully you understand that terms like 'Russian' can be used in a variety of contexts that might initially appear contradictory. Brittle heaven (talk) 19:01, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian or not?