Talk:Murder of Destiny Norton/Archive 1

message: As an admitted murderer, Gregerson is subject to excommunication by the LDS Church. The same was true for other murderers, such as Gary Gilmore. Such action is taken relatively quickly by the church. When a cite for Gregerson being a former member of the church is located, the article will be retagged as such, regardless of any objections. - Chadbryant 08:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't get to decide what is a "reliable legit source or cite". It would do you a world of good to remember that. - Chadbryant 08:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: According to , Excommunication is mandatory for murder. Gregerson is an admitted murderer (and sexual offender, to boot). In the absence of any relevant objections, the article will be amended to include Gregerson as an "Ex-Mormon". - Chadbryant 08:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct me if I'm wrong Chadbryant, but Gregerson hasn't been convicted in a court of law. Granted, he confessed to the crimes. However, is it the confession or the conviction that would bring about mandatory excommunication? Your citation does not address this issue and proper scrutiny demands that we don't just take your word for it. Linden Arden 19:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because Church Doctrine states this doesn't mean he was. You must cite the source that says SPECIFICALLY he was ex-communicated. Sorry. TruthCrusader 20:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Simply citing church doctrine without providing proof that it has been applied specifically to Gregerson is not sufficient for supporting the claim that this vile Mormon (or ex-Mormon, whatever the case may be) criminal was excommunicated. Linden Arden 23:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I wasn't arguing that. Go back and read what I wrote. My comment about LDS Church practices (not doctrine...not sure where you pulled that from) were a side note, for information purposes only. I never claimed "church doctrine" was a reliable source, nor did I even mention anything about "church doctrine." All you did was restate part of what I wrote, and then throw in something you pulled out of thin air. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The category has nothing to do with being active or not. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until a verifiable cite or source is found stating he has left the Church then we are bound to leave the tag up that he is still a member. We have to follow the guidelines, thats all i am saying. TruthCrusader 20:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Active or not, practice or doctrine: These dictional arguments serve only to derail us from the matter at hand. Until someone provides a citation showing that Gregerson confessed to a proper Church authority and was consequently excommunicated, he must remain listed as a Mormon. Linden Arden 20:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And if you read what I originally wrote, you'll see that I'm not disagreeing with you. That's why I'm confused with your responses, which seems to be trying to convince me that we should leave things as-is for now when that's what I wrote. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize for the mis-understanding, I am just trying to uderscore the point, as Linden pointed out. TruthCrusader 09:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I realise this. However, I would like the point to be underscored for Chadbryant in order to prevent any precipitous reverts on his behalf (after he serves out his suspension of course). Linden Arden 00:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The claimed sources do not provide the required citation.  You must provide evidence that he has been excommunicated.  This is akin to stating that birth control is forbidden by the Catholic Church and so a specific Roman Catholic does not use birth control.  It does not necessarily follow.  Certainly it is likely that Gregerson has been excommunicated but we require verification that this is the case.  What you have done so far is original research which is not permitted in the Wikipedia.  Please see WP:NOR, WP:NOT, WP:V, WP:CITE, and WP:RS for the policies you are violating.  --Yamla 16:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry User:Chadbryant that doesn't prove he's been excommunicated, I'll change it back when there's no risk of you edit warring. One Night In Hackney303 04:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Status of church membership