Talk:International Men's Day

message: * I'm confused about why this is a candidate for speedy deletion.  I freely admit that it has very little helpful content right now.  I thought that's what stubs were for.  Is it really better for Wikipedia to be entirely silent about this cultural event, than for it to have a stub with little content and a link to learn more? --67.180.142.97 14:49, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial comments

message: I just wonder what makes these national holidays "international"? 84.160.159.112 21:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  International? 

message: IMD in Australia:
Where is "equality" without an International Men's Day? Question at Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2002 Week 3 Hansard (6 March)and Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2003 Week 13 Hansard (25 November) Page 4625 Flower Power Women... Canberra Times news on 19-NOV-03 Blokes, it's Your Turn to Celebrate, Article Canberra Times 20 Nov 2003
PRESS RELEASE: International Men's Day - Do We Care?; Red Roses for Your Blokes: It'll Raise Their Self Esteem, Article Canberra Times, 6 Nov 2004; Manly respect blooms if you give those blokes a rose. Article- Canberra Times 19 Nov 2004; Blokes, it is your turn to celebrate. Article - Canberra Times 20 Nov 2003 Mens Health and Wellbeing Press Release re IMD 2005 copy Make a Date to Validate Men, Article in Christian Today 19 November 2008 123.211.7.104 (talk) 12:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Documents

message: This entry suffered from misinformation recently when numerous "International Men's Days" suggested in the entry turned out to not be IMD's at all, but referred to other cultural celebrations. Some of the suggestions seem to have been entirely fabricated with the aim of exaggerating the extent of world IMD celebrations, the idea being that men 'do not deserve any more recognition'. This would be akin to saying we don't need an International Women's Day because we already have a Mother's Day.    
Things that don't qualify as an established IMD are- Father's Day(s); War Remembrance days; Independence days; Saint-day celebrations; celebrations of a particular male personality or hero, and the like. Any qualifying cultural event must be called International Men's Day. 
There have also been failed attempts to get IMD off the ground in some countries, with little more than a year or two celebration before ceasing, or merely a press release of an intention to celebrate the occasion but which did not eventuate. These do not qualify as an established event and shouldn't be included or, if they are, it should be clearly stated that the celebration came to a halt or didn't eventuate. As an example, an organization in Canada allegedly held IMD for three years running 1994,95,96 which did not continue. A new unsourced date has been suggested claiming that Canada celebrates IMD on 25th November but there seems to be no online evidence of this currently taking place (this needs to be verified with a source to remain in the entry, and I hope someone can provide something).
Finally, all mentions of IMD need to be backed by a reliable source and included in the entry, as this will discourage those trying to fabricate false material about the day. If anyone has reliable references -press releases, media articles, letters, websites etc- please add these in the section above, as the more reliable info we have, the higher quality this entry. 121.222.170.14 (talk) 23:31, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Events which DON'T qualify as [[International Men's Day]]

message: The Canada reference needs sourcing or deleting. I've tagged it and will leave it up for a few days to see if someone verifies it with a source. 121.222.170.14 (talk) 01:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Canada

message: This article is problematic to the extent that it needs to be re-written. There are sourcing issues, original research issues, verification issues, etc. Starting with the lead, there is no way to verify that Mikhail Gorbachev suggested, nor the UN part. The given citation does not mention either party.[Incorrect- see below 123.211.81.249 (talk) 23:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total rewrite 

message: Please craft any proposed alteration of the main article in a sandbox and provide a link here, or place arrangement here first to gain consensus before altering. I'm off to bed now, but will check if you've suggested anything by morning123.211.7.104 (talk) 14:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:OWN. You are trying to discourage me from editing the article, and that is not acceptable.-Andrew c [talk] 16:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

text: On the contrary you were encouraged to craft a template and now you are annoyed because you don't want to submit to any consensus. Perhaps you should read WP:OWN yourself. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 22:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Altering article

message: This is a serious issues. Twice I have found sentences directly lifted, verbatim from the sources without supplying quotations. This is not acceptable. I have removed this one from the lead: "Speaking on behalf of UNESCO, Ms. Ingeborg Breines, Director of Women and Culture of Peace, said: “This is an excellent idea and would give some gender balance.” She added that her organisation was looking forward to cooperating with the organisers of the IMD." I am nervous about what else I will find. Does anyone else know of instances where sentences have been directly copy and pasted from the web or otherwise copied from copyrighted sources? Sometimes it is appropriate just to quote the source directly. Other times, we can summarize and put the information in our own words (what I generally think is very poor writing, and in bad taste, is just to switch the word order around and use a synonym or two, which is what happened to the first copyvio I found).-Andrew c [talk] 19:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvios 

message: Please do not blank important history without discussing with other editors. If you think something needs to be paraphrased or shifted to another area please discuss and do it rather than blanking. The quote from Ms. Ingeborg Breines is a VERY important endorsement for IMD by a world body, and it is sourced to an independent news source. Moreover I have written to Jerome Teelucksingh, the man who came up with the IMD celebration in Trinidad and Tobago, and who personally spoke with Ms. Breines about the event; he has confirmed that this conversation did take place exactly as reported in the news source!! Further, I have written to both Ingeborg Breines who now lives in Norway, and to the U.N. asking for any further documentation of their commitment to IMD. So please, don't blank this very important statement, as your motivation comes accross as less than honourable..... ie. if you want to paraphrase (without denigrating the phrasing) then that it preferable to blanking. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you do not understand copyright law, or you cannot edit the article without copying and pasting directly from websites, then you should not be editing wikipedia. Doing what you have done is stealing and illegal. And on wikipedia we take it seriously. Please DO NOT re-instate copyrighted material. Find a way to present the information in your own words. Seriously, this is very important.-Andrew c [talk] 03:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not blank sourced material!

message: Although many of the source articles don't clarify, UWI Lecturer Dr Jerome Teelucksingh was actually the man who came up with the idea to celebrate IMD in Trinidad and Tobago, and it was he personally who came up with the 19th Nov date. Harrack Balramsingh, Chairman of Citizens for a Better Trinidad and Tobago (CBTT) assisted Dr. Teelucksingh in coordinating and publicising these events. Dr. Teelucksingh emailed me this information and I just thought that we might take note if writing about TT events, maybe placing Jerome Teelucksingh name before (although with) Harrack Balramsingh for due recognition or roles. Just a thought. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 23:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What you are doing is original research. If none of our sources mention Teelucksingh or Balramsingh in these positions, then we can't mention it. Wikipedia cannot be the first place to publish information, and personal correspondences are not reliable sources. I hope you understand.-Andrew c [talk] 03:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr. Jerome Teelucksingh and Harrack Balramsingh

message: The LEAD currently reads: International Men's Day is an international event celebrated on 19th of November. It was suggested in 1999 by Mikhail Gorbachev[citation needed] and was supported by the United Nations in Vienna[1], and received overwhelming support from men's groups in USA, Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean.
I'm concerned about the Gorbachev mention, as I have not seen one reliable source and think it should go if other editors agree?? Its still possible that there is something behind this mention, but until something appears it's presence is unwarranted. I'll wait to hear what others want and then delete if you agree. As the conception of IMD (and first event) was originated by Trinidad and Tobago's Dr. Jerome Teelucksingh, I'm thinking that could replace mention of Gorbachev as long as we can reliably cite it. EG.
International Men's Day is an international event celebrated on 19th of November. It was suggested in 1999 by Jerome Teelucksingh [citation needed] and was supported by the United Nations in Vienna[1], and received overwhelming support from men's groups in USA, Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean.
At present though the difficulty is that although everyone I've spoken with agrees IMD was Mr. Teelucksingh's creation, there is nothing outside the many confirming emails I have. I have some more hard evidence on the way (reliable independent published sources) which may provide us with the needed citation. So if we like the sound of this change we can just vote here and I'll add the info if/when a source avails. What do we think? 123.211.7.104 (talk) 00:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If we have a citation that mentions Teelucksingh, then we can say that, so hopefully we can find something. The line was supported by the United Nations in Vienna is not currently supported by the source. received overwhelming support from men's groups in USA, Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean. is a prime example of weasel and is unsourced. I think we should instead mention that men's groups predominately organize these events, and mention the countries in which they have occurred instead, all verifiable information.-Andrew c [talk] 03:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Checked source -November 19th - International Men's Day. Press Release by Harrack Balramsingh of CBTT, 20th May 2003. The mention of support from those countries (USA, Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean) is there in the press release and accurate, but the wording was almost identical to the original so I changed it slightly and clarified that it was principled support for the inauguration, as this is what the source intends. Please change wording if you think is not clear re 'principled' support. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 05:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Dr. Teelucksingh wrote me a few days ago on the Gorbachev question saying- "I do not know of Gorbachev's statement or that he suggested it. Maybe someone in Russia can help." I think that settles the question of whether the inaugurators of IMD relied on some (as yet unverified) statement from Gorbachev. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 01:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: LEAD

message: :Please enough with the BS original research about "predominately mens groups" who organize events. Says who, you? I know of many church and community groups which are gender neutral and who have organized events. I even have newsletters from two separate Queensland schools (with official QLD Education Dept letterheads) announcing support for IMD, and one of them printed a moving testimony to the sacrifices men make and had a talk about it in class on IMD. Obviously not a men's group. Or what about the University of Kent IMD celebration which was organized exclusively by three young university women! Also, regarding- "support from men's groups in USA, Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean" don't be hasty that this isn't sourced, I believe there is more than one reliable source stating this, but you have to understand that the statement is of "support" for those celebrating IMD, but it doesnt mean those supporting it are themselves necessarily celebrating it with any event. It is important you know the difference. I'll take a look at the source material and report any backing sources. In the meantime please abstain from blanking for a short time. 121.223.98.149 (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Please avoid original research

message: someone removed the Flood reference I placed in the entry, but I'm ok with that. I agree with this deletion because (as other editors have pointed out) it is only one man's thoughts and negative ones at that. Undue Weight rules apply. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 01:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Flood opinion removed

message: Introduced heading for each country as per suggestion, and changed 'Themes celebrated' to 'Observation' because subject material was more about the modes of conducting an IMD than about topics celebrated alone. 121.222.172.153 (talk) 12:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Headings

message: I notice the Flood POV piece has reappeared, and should probably be deleted again as has been done by several editors. If it is to stay there needs to be clear qualification that this Flood is driven by feminist concerns, and openly declares his writings feminist. Personally i think it should go. It is rightly ridiculed as sexist POV hyperbole   123.211.97.190 (talk) 02:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that Flood, being a published and notable scholar in this area of study, deserves some space in this article, in that he specifically wrote on this subject. I think your comments that we clearly "out" him as a feminist makes no sense, and I can't help to think that your desire to "qualify" Flood may be more like well poisoning. On top of that, the "Men's Health and Wellbeing Association" response does not meet WP:V, and should probably be removed. -Andrew c [talk] 02:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well Andrew I know where you are coming from and I have noted in your edit history a defense of Flood on a few unrelated occasions in unrelated edit areas of Wikipedia. Contrary to your spin about well-poisoning I suggest you are attempting to well-poison an otherwise respectible article and attempting to "out" that respectibility. Note that Flood qualifies himself, in several places, as a feminist. His expressed self-description. 123.211.97.190 (talk) 02:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Flood POV reappears

message: There's a men's day in Norway too, but it's on the 8th of Oct each year..
NO:Mannsdagen
I'm not sure of how relevant it is for this article but it might be worth checking out.
Luredreier 16:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To qualify for this entry the event must be internationally observed, must be titled 'International Men's Day', must be observed in November, and must have had its beginning in 1999. If the celebration in Norway does not qualify for these things then it might best be placed in an entry of it's own as a Norway related article. 123.211.97.190 (talk) 23:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Norwegian Men's Day

message: Flood's opinion took up 20% of the entire article which is indisputably Undue weight. As his main point of attack was directed at the Australian effort of MHWA, and as he is Australian, I put a short reference in the Australian section. 123.211.71.232 (talk) 10:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Flood reference had undue weight

message: I have concerns with the latest edits, and the amount we are sourcing to "International Men's Day global website". This relates to WP:V (and then WP:RS and WP:CS). It seems like someone could post whatever they want, regardless of the notability or even veracity, to "International Men's Day global website", and then we just parrot it here. We need to rely more on independent sourcing. Not self-published and/or non-independent sourcing. Is it possible to verify any of this new content in such sources? If not, then we have verifiability and notability issues. -Andrew c [talk] 17:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I removed the global website link from the lead. there are many websites and news articles dealing with IMD, and the global website does not need to be singled out. The new reference to Canada has one source but the Hungary section requires a further link to hungarian pages. Will see if I can find one. Also moved the increased reference to "mens rights groups" (which it is not). Dr. teelucksingh stated from the beginning that the event is for all, and I note at least half of all world events this year were organised by women, many of them who have nothing to do with mens (or women's) rights groups. Will have a look over it. 121.222.250.254 (talk) 05:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. Hopefully there was some media coverage out there, because http://masculinity21st.wordpress.com/ is clearly self-published and not independent. -Andrew c [talk] 06:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I have a response from the Canadians. Apparently there was a radio interview about thier observation but I have not located it online. I have no doubt that the event took place but suggest the Canada entry can be deleted until more reliable sources verify. 121.222.250.254 (talk) 19:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

text: One of the things worth avoiding is any suggestion that IMD was created by, or only sponsored by men's rights groups, as that is a misrepresentation. There are womens, men's, children's and human rihts groups involved, along with charities, gov and NGO's, schools, businesses, community groups, health groups, and numerous individuals who dont belong to rights groups or organizations. My point is we have to be very careful with the lead that it does not narrow the interest groups, or on the other hand become too long. On that basis it may be best to let the main body of the article provide the fine details. 121.222.250.254 (talk) 02:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with RJV the aims might be useful in the intro, if kept concise. I'm wondering if the speech by Dr. Teelucksingh down below can be useful to say what IMD is about in the lead? From memory he states three main objectives of IMD in one pithy sentence. There may be other material there also, but at this point I'm not sure if the video is an acceptable source? The fact that Dr. Teelucksingh speaks it should hold some value, with him being the founder. We could also shorten/summarise the points at the bottom of the page for the lead (I believe these are pretty identical with Dr. Teelucksingh's points in the video). 121.222.250.254 (talk) 02:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing everything to "International Men's Day global website" 

message: When I came to the article yesterday, I found much of it (the introduction in particular) simply copy/pasted from the greeting on http://www.internationalmensday.com/ (Plus some recent vandalism. By the vandal's comment in the intro, s/he didn't spot why the event existed.)
I tried to improve the writing and make it more encyclopedic. Part of that involves summarizing, being descriptive and giving some clue as to what the subject of the article is about early in the introduction. While the IMD organizers surely want to be politic and have everyone and every group supporting, this is not a reason for removing all information about the event's aims or raisons d'être from the intro. After the recent IP edits, the only clue remaining in the first paragraph is from the comment from the UN employee at the end, and it seems pretty weak to rely on that. 
I don't think we should try to make the reader get through the History section just to find out what it's about. 
[Edit: I didn't see that some of this info is later in the introduction. Coming back to the article, the first paragraph appeared to me to be the whole introduction. Still I think we can be a little less generic in that first paragraph.]— RVJ (talk) 01:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the things worth avoiding is any suggestion that IMD was created by, or only sponsored by men's rights groups, as that is a misrepresentation. There are womens, men's, children's and human rihts groups involved, along with charities, gov and NGO's, schools, businesses, community groups, health groups, and numerous individuals who dont belong to rights groups or organizations. My point is we have to be very careful with the lead that it does not narrow the interest groups, or on the other hand become too long. On that basis it may be best to let the main body of the article provide the fine details. 121.222.250.254 (talk) 02:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with RJV the aims might be useful in the intro, if kept concise. I'm wondering if the speech by Dr. Teelucksingh down below can be useful to say what IMD is about in the lead? From memory he states three main objectives of IMD in one pithy sentence. There may be other material there also, but at this point I'm not sure if the video is an acceptable source? The fact that Dr. Teelucksingh speaks it should hold some value, with him being the founder. We could also shorten/summarise the points at the bottom of the page for the lead (I believe these are pretty identical with Dr. Teelucksingh's points in the video). 121.222.250.254 (talk) 02:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: About the intro, and relevance of men/men's rights

message: There is a video of Dr. Teelucksingh speaking about the beginnings and aim of International Men's Day here. Is this allowable as a source? 121.222.250.254 (talk) 07:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliable source?

message: Apparently IMD did not take place in Moldova  this year and the global IMD website records the following: [EVENT UPDATE: Due to a resurgence of swine flu the public gathering of students in Moldova was cancelled. Some groups reportedly held private observances in thier homes. We have found no media reports of IMD observance in Moldova this year]. 121.222.250.254 (talk) 00:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Moldova

message: Currently there are two images for the logo, :File:International Men's Day Symbol.JPG and :File:International Men's Day Symbol.png. I've got no strong opinion either way aside from the png image having a clearer license status from OTRS at the moment. Although http://www.international-mens-day.com/logos.php is showing both of the images. -Optigan13 (talk) 08:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Adam Badge" has been removed from the International Men's Day Website as it has a controversial emphasis on the name of it's creator Adam Alexandru, a personalistic emphasis IMD coordinators have been at pains to avoid. IMD belongs to everyone. The second reason is that the badge seems to be used only by Adam himself. Positive male role models (talk) 09:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Adam, You have named the symbol after youself "Adam Badge" which is why it was deleted from the IMD website. As suggested above the IMD Coordination Committee has been at pains to avoid any personalistic tags. You are more than welcome to use your logo, and I would suggest that numerous IMD logos have been in use and will continue to be used, ie. there is no need to make your Adam Badge the only one. If you wish to have your badge re-included on the IMD website I recommend you contact the IMD coordinators and discuss with them privately as this is talkpage is for the Wikipedia entry only. Positive male role models (talk) 22:01, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure what sort of interpersonal/organization issues you have, but neither one of you owns this article. The manner in which you both have been editing is disruptive, and as such, both of you may be subject to blocks if continued. Instead, why not discuss the images, and reach a consensus here on talk. Here is a compromise suggestion, why not use both? Regardless, I have removed both logos for the time being, as there clearly is not consensus for either one. You need to reach a consensus here before you re-insert an image. If either one of you reverts, you may be subject to a block. That said, I'm sure you guys can come together, work it out, and reach a compromise and a new consensus. Thanks. -Andrew c [talk] 21:16, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Clearly I have discussed the pitfalls of the png. image above, which carries the name "Adam Badge" on its host site after its founder Adam Alexandru (see above). I submit a less personalised IMD logo is more appropriate for an international celebration. Moreover, the jpg. image was the first one there, and on that basis alone I see no reason why you Andrew have not reverted to the earliest Feb 27 version instead you deleted both images. Is there any reason why the original image needs to remain deleted? Here is a history of Adam's disruptive edits on the IMD entry. Positive male role models (talk) 21:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo image to be used 

message: Tell me clearly and explicit to know all people what exactly is your problem with International Men's Day Symbol? The work is not successful? You don’t like how it look? It is vulgar? you don’t like the name of work? OR the auto-proclaimed coordinator of IMD Jason Thompson after half year was created Symbol and he too and does not want to have competition  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.243.94.98 (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is clearly the name 'Adam'. Whether it refers to yourself Adam Alexandru, or to the Biblical Adam of Christianity as you propose above, the name creates a branding deviation. The only brand here is 'International Men's Day'. I recommend you remove your name from the badge, then it can be left in the entry without creating confusion. 121.223.37.124 (talk) 06:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Excellent. Because you have removed the name Adam the problem is now solved. Now your logo is compatible with the International Men's Day brand. 121.223.37.124 (talk) 11:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: resolution

message: Isn't it on 3th November? O.o Oblak24 (talk) 16:00, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that is the date of the Men's World Day which was basically an awards event that ran from 1999 to 2004. It no longer exists, or more accurately was renamed "The World Awards" and is now mainly a celebration of women (strange but true!). Most people, including people of Russia, Germany and Austria have begun celebrating International Men's Day on November 19 with the rest of the world. 124.179.112.97 (talk) 14:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about 3th November? 

message: The event founder Dr. Jerome Teelucksingh emphasises gender equality as one of the six objectives of IMD: "To improve gender relations and promote gender equality". In his book about IMD Teelucksingh states that International Men's Day seeks to promote "the formation of anti-racist and anti-sexist groups in the community." IMD event coordinators from around the world emphasise the goal of acheiving equality and the concomittant practice of challenging sexist attitudes that lead to inequality, including sexist attitudes toward men and boys. Above all the IMD movement is classed as a humanitarian movement, as captured in the words of IMD Historian Jason Thompson who wrote; 
:“On this day we celebrate men’s and boys' strengths while taking time to acknowledge their vulnerabilities and needs. We aim to transcend negative stereotyping and encourage and embrace greater options and choices for men and indeed for all people. Ultimately, it is a day for all humanity, providing an opportunity to move beyond a singular consideration of gender to include the vast arena of human experience shared by men, women and children alike.” 
For more info there is an explanation of the non-sexist, pro-equality aim of IMD encapulated in the official IMD website's  Diversity and Equality Statement Page. 124.170.85.130 (talk) 09:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To protect men from Toxic femininity49.206.14.129 (talk) 05:35, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Equality and anti-sexism

message: The first IMD in Italy was in 2010. Here is a picture outside the colluseum. Italy is mentioned as having celebrated the event in Jason Thompson's book on the history of IMD, 'International Men's Day: The Making of a Movement'. 58.6.220.78 (talk) 12:37, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Italy

message: I notice that this article is rated Low Importance on thhe projects importance scale, whereas International Women's Day is rated variously as mid or high importance in various projects. Strikes me as unequal. Just saying.
And a little trivia: The UN designated 19th November (International Men's Day) as World Toilet day. Yes, really. http://worldtoiletday.org/  21stcenturypolitix (talk) 18:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So the UN considers men & boys to be little better than shit. And this comes as a surprise how...? JQ (talk) 11:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: They are better than shit; just a little. Tony (talk)  08:46, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Really, calm down, the UN does not consider man's as shits. Why would they do that if most world leaders are men. Also, the toilet day is not about shits. The day is about the hygiene of the hole thing and try to expand the use of toilets. It's sounds dumb but it makes sense --Matías Martínez Lechuga (talk) 18:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Equality... and a bit of trivia

message: This site is looks like the domain got taken over with blog spam; all of the links to it are broken, which is most of the refs on this page. I marked the page, but not sure how to proceed from here. Nfirvine (talk) 03:52, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The original international-mens-day.com domain lapsed, but most of the original website & info has been continued under the domain Internationalmensday.co by the same owner, IMD Historian and Member of IMD Coordination Committee Jason Thompson. Links can be re directed as appropriate 58.7.224.175 (talk) 02:31, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

text: Having just checked out the new owner of the old international-mens-day.com domain, I now appreciate your concern. I'm going to try and update some of the links now to the official IMD history site's new domain. 58.7.224.175 (talk) 07:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, have updated the link starting from top, down to the India entry. Will have to hit the rest another time. hopefully someone else will jump in and do it before then. 58.7.224.175 (talk) 08:13, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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message: The New Zealand reference needs sourcing or deleting. I've tagged it and will leave it up for a few days to see if someone verifies it with a source. The only inference I can find are two comments on ONE website saying New Zealand SHOULD support International Men's Day, but NOTHING official.
Thedoctor98 (talk) 07:11, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What about leaving it a few days? I reverted you for not sticking to your word. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 06:38, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And added. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 09:08, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

text: You clearly weren't looking very hard, we now have 3. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 09:20, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

text: The section clearly states "Observed by Organizations in:" and your links are: 1 British comedian in New Zealand and 2 pieces that refer to when International Men's Day is. There is NO evidence of any organisation in New Zealand observing this.
Thedoctor98 (talk) 19:49, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

text: Not any more it doesn't. Bad value anyway, what organisations? What does that mean? ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 09:21, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

text: As none of the entries are referenced we either leave things as they are or remove all entries, we won't just remove NZ. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 10:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

text: There needs to be proof that these countries observe this day. So far, there is nothing that proves New Zealand observes it. If anybody wishes to go through the other countries, then they can be removed as well. You can't keep a country in this list just because there is the same lack of proof for all of them.
Thedoctor98 (talk) 10:33, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
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message: Today, early spring, is Women's Day. 
Why do we men get our Day in late fall/early winter?
Seems to me that we ought to have ours in summer. When we're out grilling, and other such things. 🙃😉 2600:1700:5270:CA20:61F4:B5EC:28F4:B232 (talk) 11:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Int'l Men's Day 

message: Currently, the article as currently written gives a terrible first impression, in that it at first blush, appears more a "Let's celebrate the patriarchy"/"Toxic Masculinity Day" rather than a day of awareness signifying the actual real life issues faced by males around the world. The first few paragraphs completely bury the point and even introduce jargon that cannot be addressed until someone has already decided or not to read the main body of the article.
Here, try this: 
International Men's Day, is an awareness day for many issues that men face, including abuse, homelessness, suicide, and violence. Just one sentence alone helps bring the lede back in line with what the awareness is for, instead introducing six principles when the table of contents isn't even visible yet. 2601:540:8200:187:8062:862:DBF8:F3DB (talk) 08:55, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried addressing this. Schwarbage (talk) 09:21, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I also tried addressing the terrible criticism page, which contained sources that were entirely opinion pages from individual people, not a notable consensus. Many of them are also not considered reliable sources (Huff Post opinion, Metro, Jezebel, etc) Schwarbage (talk) 09:30, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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message: @Schwarbage, I had added the Criticism section because of how prominent it is in media; unlike any other  politicized identity holiday. —Yuyutsu Ho (talk) 07:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Prominent in opinion rags + blogs by online journalists of little renown, which ended up being sourced. Most coverage generally leans more towards neutrality in regard to the event. You could add a lot of Criticism sections in articles that normally wouldn't receive them due to how easy it is to get business online by harvesting angry clicks. Schwarbage (talk) 09:55, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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message: Poland is listed as one of the countries here, but we don't celebrate it neither in November nor in a way even remotely related to the six pillars or tbh anything like IMD.
We do actually celebrate boy's day PL:Dzień_chłopka, but it's limited to school age boys and happens in September. For past several years some people have been pushing for man's day on March 10th, but there are no actual celebrations, nothing related to the six pillars again, more like a cash grab, just low effort "Women had their big celebrations on 8th, so now let's say it's your turn, here's a discount code for chips and beer" kinda thing.
So tl;dr it should probably be deleted. 5.173.241.79 (talk) 14:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Has "Poland" done anything "in the past" to acknowledge IMD? I'm asking because I know "South Africa" has had acknowledgement before, which is why they are indicated, although they haven't done anything in the last dozen years. GeographicAccountant (talk) 09:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
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