Talk:As I Lay Dying (band)/Archive 1

message: This page needs to be updated more often. I would but I have five different pages to help with. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 14:14, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

message: they do indeed have "Melodic Death Metal" influences as do many metalcore bands but swedish metal is not a term, Melodic Death Metal is not exclusively swedish,(I am from sweden myself) nor is that it's real name. I am changing it to simply Metalcore as enough metalcore bands feature Melodic Death Metal influences for a reader to be able to assume this. Also I don't agree on calling them a christian metal band. They are christian, they are a metal band and the lyrics are perhaps christian but that's not an actual genre. they are no different than other metalcore bands simply because their lyrics are about christian things.
:Christian Metal is definitely a genre, and their lyrics definitely have to do with it (read The Darkest Nights or Forever). Theunknown42 14:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Christian Metal certainly is a legit subgenre, and it is an important enough classification for the band to mention many times in interviews and such that their faith is their motivating force behind why they do what they do.  Also, lyrics are up for interpretation, so it isn't really up to you to decide whether the songs are about Christianity or not, frankly, and Tim Lambesis has been quoted as saying that that is in fact what the songs are about.  So, I believe there is enough reason to classify them as a "Christian" metalcore band. City 07:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: As someone already pointed out, their own FAQ states that every member of the band is Christian, that all of their songs are written from the perspective of a Christian, and that the goal of the band is to "intelligently represent a faith that has been very misrepresented in the entertainment industry."  And again, like quoted above, it states, "I'm not sure what the difference is between five Christians playing in a band and a Christian band. If you truly believe something, then it should affect every area of your life." Jpers36 07:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't see how someone cannot take them as a Christian band. They use many Christian refrences, subliminal at times, but lots. And their songs about personal issues are done with a Christian perspective on things. I find it quite easy to stick them into that category. IronCrow 03:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't care how the Wikipedia article defines Christian music…. Seriously, just because all of a band's members share the same faith and occasionally reference it in their songwriting does not make them musical proponents of that faith. If a Buddhist starts a band with a couple of his Buddhist friends and writes lyrics about spirituality, does that make it a "Buddhist band"? No. The difference between "five Christians playing in a band" and "a Christian band" is that the latter uses its music as a way to practice its religion (or spread the word, whatever). Listen to a Christian radio station some time: you will hear the songs address God and specific areas of Christian faith. Let's not waste time finding bands with religious members and labeling them as religious genres -- it's useless information.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.230.51 (talk) 21:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And Wikipedia doesn't care about what you "think." Their website states they are a "Christian band." And no, Christian bands today are not like the Christian bands of the 80's, they don't use it to practice/convert. The vast majority of Christian bands today are not like Stryper or Deliverence. And no, it's not useless information. A background of a band must be found. IronCrow (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  swedish metal 

message: Hey, I was just wondering, but why doesn't anyone add "Beneath The Encasing Of Ashes" to the discograpy list? I mean, it was an offical CD release, even though it was re-released, right? OmniAngel 23:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography Question 

message: Has Clint left the band?
No, he hasn't.
And if he did, where is the source? AKnot 20:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former member? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:As i lay dying split.jpg

message: I wouldn't considerate them just as Christian Metalcore, they actualy play metalcore but i think that more exsactly, Deathcore and Mathcore, they have both shrieks and growls as used in deahcore, even though they dont use pig squeals, they're as technicl as death metal, they have both hardcore and death metal influences, some of their songs cn be considered as Melodic Deathcore, songs like Darkest Nights and Through Struggle, but songs like Behind me lies another Fallen, Torn Within, Force to Die are not melodic at all/as melodic as the irst songs.
Now, the mathcore thing, they use very odd time signatures for example in the song Distance is Darkness, and in the second part is exremly melodic, in the entire song utilizes energic vocals, their songs are short and they use odd song structures. Sheish
:Not Deathcore. Definitly Metalcore. And Mathcore is different. Loads of metal bands use electronic sounds and such, it adds to the rhythm. And Hardcore punk sound is part of the sound of Metalcore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathcore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathcore IronCrow 22:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, yeah, I know what both subhgeneres are. I know it ain't as heavy as common deathcore, but there's so much influence on them by death metal. Why mathcore not? not every band of mathcore uses electronics there's an example... Fear Before The March Of Flames. At least melodic deathcore, don't you think? --Sheish 6 Sheish 03:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can see some in their latest album in "small doses," however, they are definitly Metalcore, and with the genre of Metalcore goes a combination of sounds. Mathcore would be like... Botch, some Norma Jean, etc. Their primary genre = Metalcore. IronCrow 21:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: I've noticed that the page has been edited to say that As I Lay Dying are "supporters of gay marriage" and that they are a screamo band.
:Well, you could edit out such information yourself, but I'm not actually seeing any of that on the page. Where is it? Jpers36 19:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Checking your edit history, it appears that you are the one who made the edits you're now complaining about.  What gives? Jpers36 16:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: A little brother or sister editing the page? Hehe, who knows, but to add a quick note: I think the primary source of vandalism for this page is people who don't think As I Lay Dying is either "Good" or "Christian." Who woulda guessed? IronCrow 21:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you. I suggest creating an account. It's much easier and if you track your own edits (like me) than it's a life saver. You should be able to edit it. However, it must be edited already because I don't see it. IronCrow 01:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can Someone Please Block This Page From Being Edited 

message: in the reference you give for as i lay dying to be thrash metal, I think, it's not a way for alling them thrash metal. They say "the thash album" but it doesn't mean to be that the band is thrash metal, i think it's more like the "heavy album", "destroyer album" or something alike, but not "the thrash metal album".
Even in the same page states that is a metalcore band and the album is an emo album near to death metal.--Sheish 6 Sheish 02:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I wanna say that I haven't touched any article of As I Lay Dying, but they do sound like they have a thrash sound in An Ocean Between Us. Not a total thrash sound but it's there like in Within Destruction, that sounds totally thrash metal. And they have added more solos which also attributes to the thrash metal sound. But you are retarded if you think they are emo, no musical genre EVER has been catagrized by what the lyrics say so you can't say they are emo just because they have "emotional lyrics" Emo is VERY soft and this is nowhere close to emo. you can't catagorize a band "emo" just because and emo person listens to them. And Death Metal is definatly nowhere in site with As I Lay Dying.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snook666 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash metal 

message: I have source that As I Lay Dying will be playing at Soundwave Festival 2008 at Australia . can this be added to As I Lay Dying's Page? - 58.168.76.10 05:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Tour/Gigs 

message: *Ref 1 needs a more specific URL than 
::I can't link to the specific section that is referenced.
*"The band experienced several line-up changes with bassists and guitarists" - Expand a bit on this - who changed, what hapepened, etc.
::Done
*"Shadows Are Security was released in June, and debuted at number 1 on the Top Independent Albums, and was the band's first release to enter the Billboard 200 at number 35." - Overuse of "and" - suggest you split into 2 sentences
::Split into two sentences
*"and commented new guitarists Phil Sgrosso and Nick Hipa, and bass player Clint Norris make the band "stronger". - add a "that" after "commented"
::Done
*"At the fee of $US75,000" - You don't need to show the "US", just wlink as $
::Done
That be all. — Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 09:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That be done. M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That be GA. — Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 05:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nom on hold

message: I've changed the beginning of the page. DO NOT change it. I've done my research and As I Lay Dying is definately a Christian band.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homie C (talk • contribs) 04:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see... wikipedia is not a place for you to post your OWN research. As I Lay Dying are not "christian metalcore", I have never ever heard an AILD song with any christian lyrics, not even the word "God" or "Jesus" on any of their songs.--Jpkmaster (talk) 02:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: P.O.D, August Burns Red, and UnderOath are all Christian bands but you don't here them say "God" or "Jesus" in any of their songs. It has already been referenced that they are. DO NOT change it unless you have REAL proof that they aren't (which you'll never find).
From their website: "Are you guys Christians in a band or a Christian band?
I'm not sure what the difference is between five Christians playing in a band and a Christian band. If you truly believe something, then it should affect every area of your life. All five of us are Christians. I believe that change should start with me first, and as a result, our lyrics do not come across very "preachy." Many of our songs are about life, struggles, mistakes, relationships and other issues that don't fit entirely in the spiritual category. However, all of these topics are written about through my perspective as a Christian." Simply put they are all Christians, but are not a preachy Christian band like many others. to call it Christian Metal core is a stretch.Demon Prince Hosoku (talk) 23:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Ok it doesn't matter if they are Christian or not, "Christian" doesn't define a sound so it can't be in a genre. Just call them Metalcore with Christian lyrics and be done with it if they are Christian. -Snook666  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snook666 (talk • contribs) 02:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: They ARE Christian Metalcore

message: Why is their religion in the lead? The article even has a Christian faith section. I just don't get it, Christianity is the only religion that ppl try to stick in the lead sentence if the members are of that religion. I don't ever see Mormon rock, or atheist rock, etc. Why can't they just be a regular band with Christian members? Landon1980 (talk) 22:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because saying "metalcore band with Christian members" sounds weird. This is the best way to put it without directly putting "Christian metalcore" in the infobox. It's not saying that the band is "Christian metalcore", it's saying it's a Christian band playing metalcore. — FatalError 22:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To add to that, there are separate wikilinks to the Christian and metalcore articles. There is no link to Christian metalcore. And about the Christian faith section, I personally think it's redundant, as it's essentially the same thing as putting "Christian" in the lead, but in a needlessly long way. — FatalError 22:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with most of what you said, but if you just read the article it appears their genre is 'Christian metalcore', especially on the underoath article with nothing separating the two words. Landon1980 (talk) 22:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, this article already has a Christian faith section, so why does the band's religion need to be in the lead? Landon1980 (talk) 02:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

text: The problem with the Christian faith section is that it's just a quote. This is an encyclopedia, so I think it would be better to specifically state their religious views in the first sentence than have a random quote explain it halfway through the article. We need to either rewrite the section or remove it completely, because as it is, it's not worth keeping. Let's discuss further on my talk page, so we don't have to jump from article to article. — FatalError 03:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When asked if they are a Christian band, the band simply stated YEAH. TThe openign paragraph IS NTO REFERING TO GENRE. It's refering to classification. ¤IrønCrøw¤ (Speak to Me) 00:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You still don't understand that a 'Christian band' does not mean they play Christian music, the music they play is metalcore. In genre related terms they are a metalcore band. Landon1980 (talk) 02:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now you're being silly. Don't give me that. I know what it means. Please see my talk page. A Christian band DOES play Christian music. Do you have a source that says otherwise? No. Wikipedia's article on Christian Music - read it up. ¤IrønCrøw¤ (Speak to Me) 03:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Don't give me the WP:Civil. I'm not in a bad mood right now and I'm not trying in any way to be rude, so stop, please. Again, you have no source that states a Christian band doesn't play Christian music. That's absurd. If they didn't they wouldn't be called a Christian band. Secondly - I give up, completely. This is, as I said before, much like the Ejaculation article. I'm going to stop replying to you guys, and I'm going to end this conflict. Eventually, someone is going to add it back any ways, so I'm not worried. I just quit. I can not believe that you guys are editing like this, it's ridiculous. WP:COMMON. Please, in your future edits, read that and take it to heart. Don't be abuse it though, i've seen editors do that. I'm tired of proving my case time and time again. Christian bands play Christian music. There's anot a single band out thatere... nevermind, I said I'd quit. If I didn't know any better, I'd say there's sockpuppetry going on, but... I guess I'll just use that old quote "If you are still arguing, have you really won?" I'm done. ¤IrønCrøw¤ (Speak to Me) 04:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are being uncivil and you are taking things too seriously. Is not sockpuppetry, it just a couple of users that disagree with your point of view. You have to understand that you are not always right.--Kmaster (talk) 18:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Tim Lambesis said clearly that they're a Christian band. The term Christian band is a Christian concept, that the musicians play with Christian purpose, that are be praise God and spread the Gospel. (JoaquimMetalhead (talk) 00:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Tim Lambesis never said the group is a Christian band. AILD is not a Christian band. • GunMetal Angel 01:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLE5pTq1ghQ at 0:37 seconds in Tim says AILD is a Christian band, therefore saying that AILD "never have stated they are a Christian band" is totally false. 128.189.134.95 (talk) 05:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe that there should be a link in the genre section of the infobox to Christian metal. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Has anything changed since the previous discussions to merit it? Xombie (talk) 22:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian

message: I agree with removing Christian metalcore from the genre list; I understand the argument that this is a culture/scene and not a genre.  I will not argue with removal of "Christian" from the first paragraph, since to some points of view the band is not clearly a Christian band.  However, this lack of clarity requires explanation in the article -- rather than saying "AILD is a Christian band" or "AILD is not a Christian band", the best option is to let the band speak for itself. Jpers36 (talk) 20:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We agreed that it was redundant,  that's why.--Kmaster (talk) 21:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no agreement that the "Christian faith section" is redundant -- in fact, the general consensus was that it should stay.  Only IronCrow and FatalError suggested it might be redundant, while you, me, Riverpeopleinvasion, and RonJames007 agreed that it should stay.  As you said, "Yes, it is different, but has nothing to do with the musical genre. Same thing with Queercore bands or Straight Edge bands. That's why it should not be listed on the infobox and it should be not removed the "Christian Faith" section (like IronCrow did)." Jpers36 (talk) 21:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I was making emphasis that no one can come here and remove a section without giving a proper discussion first. That's why. And there is an agreement about the Christian Faith. Just read : I said "I think we need to remove "christian" from the first paragraph and add a second sentence. Or rewrite the Christian Faith section." then, FatalError "Personally, I don't see a point for the Christian faith section on the As I Lay Dying article. For August Burns Red it actually serves a purpose, because they specifically said they don't like the "Christian metalcore" label, and that's the point of the paragraph, but As I Lay Dying did not say anything like that, they just mentioned that they were Christians." and finally, Landon1980 "I personally think a second sentence would best suit that particular article."--Kmaster (talk) 21:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well personally i think it should stay, it explains their religious beliefs along with their genre. Jakisbak (talk) 21:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't care either way, just whatever you guys think is best for the article. Landon1980 (talk) 00:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is completely redundant. It is the exact same thing as stating that the band is Christian, but it instead takes up a whole section of the article. And having an entire section for one quote looks bad and is pointless. Now, if the section were to be rewritten in a way that it actually served a purpose other than taking up unneeded space (no offense to the author), then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but as it is, there is no reason it should be kept in the article. I instead think that quote should be used as a reference for the fact that they are Christian. — FatalError 01:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But the very problem is that certain editors (Kmaster, for one) claim that the quote does not state that the band is Christian.  Instead of pushing the Christian / not Christian angle, the compromise would be to use the direct quote instead. Jpers36 (talk) 02:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But just placing the quote there does nothing. Like I said, if the section were to be rewritten to describe the quote, using pieces of it as citations, that would be fine, but a sole quote with nothing behind it doesn't help the article at all. Not to mention it looks bad. And Kmaster didn't say the quote doesn't state that the band is Christian, he is trying to say that having Christian members does not make a band Christian, which has nothing to do with the quote. — FatalError 02:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

text: As I said before, I don't really object or support the section, but I would like to see the section rewritten. In it's current form it serves no purpose but taking up space doing something that is already done. I don't like how bare quotes look either. If one of you would rewrite the section to make it work that would be nice, if not I will give it a try. Writing isn't one of my strong points, but I will see what I can do if no one else wants to. Landon1980 (talk) 15:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can not use that quote as saying that AILD is a Christian band, you can only use it for proving that AILD can't see a difference between a Christian band and a band with Christians. However you can quote that AILD is a Christian band with other sources, like interviews. I wouldn't mind if you guys want to rewrite the Christian faith section, I was just discussing the IronCrow's christian metal tag as a real music genre (wich is, completely incorrect).--Kmaster (talk) 18:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a stab at it. I'm not the best writer so it probably sucks. If anyone wants to change it around or whatever, feel free. — FatalError 19:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

text: That part has been removed since no one protested against not removing it. 128.189.208.57 (talk) 21:50, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Christian faith" section