Talk:Jacques Marie Frangile Bigot

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message: Due to a misreading of handwriting, a typographer for the Annales de la Société Entomologique de France, typed bigot's full name in the membership list as Jacques Marie Frangile Bigot. His birth and death certificates clearly have his name as Jacques Marie François Bigot. This still needs correcting on this page.
For many years, the portrait of Bigot published in various sources was mistakenly of his nephew, Just Bigot (both have the name in lists as "J.Bigot", hence the confusion. The correct portrait still needs to be uploaded to this page. BFly52 (talk) 04:22, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @BFly52: Hi! (I'm the Iestyn you've been corresponding with by email, I found some time to look at this a bit this morning as it turned out.) Unfortunately the web link you sent me with his birth and death certificates requires an account to view the relevant details, which is annoying... As for the portrait, it looks like somebody already uploaded the correct one to Commons in 2013 under the name :File:Jacques Marie Frangile Bigot (1818-1893).gif; the misattributed one is probably best instead renamed to the correct subject "Just Bigot" to avoid confusion. Monster Iestyn (talk) 12:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There, I have now swapped the images here and in other language Wikipedias, as well as on Wikidata and Wikispecies, and have requested the bad image to be renamed on Commons. That should fix all the problems to do with JMF's portait for the foreseeable future. Monster Iestyn (talk) 12:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

text: @BFly52: Hi again! I've been asking about the name issue with some other users offwiki on Discord. Unfortunately without reliable sources with the correct spelling as of writing, it sounds difficult to justify renaming this article to have "François" instead of "Frangile" at least for now. (Some users also suggest that he might have deliberately used a different spelling for his name despite the certificates? But I don't know how you prove that either way.) On the other hand, there may be argument to rename the article to "J. M. F. Bigot" or "J.-M.-F. Bigot" since he never actually used his name in full in his works so I understand? Monster Iestyn (talk) 20:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @BFly52 Oh, my apologies for seeding doubt, I have since learned his name consistently appears as "Bigot (Jacques-Marie-François)" in the Bulletin de la Société zoologique de France, checking for myself: . Did you know he was in this society too? Monster Iestyn (talk) 22:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - just getting to this now. Yes, he was a member of a number of societies. Even an Oriental Society in Paris. In doing his genealogy, there is a lot of archival information that verifies his name -- and like you've found, other society membership lists that cite his name correctly. BFly52 (talk) 23:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bigot's Full Name and Portrait