Talk:Thoth

message: I'd expect something to date the earliest record of Thoth and also the rough periods/locations when he was worshipped widely. Sorry if this isn't within the wikipedia rules.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4B00:BC02:8200:91AA:F3AC:5358:A027 (talk) 19:56, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: No dates?

message: Just wanted to alert people that there're 3 "(hieroglyph not found)" in the alternate names for Thoth box. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.60.196.46 (talk) 04:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hieroglyph not found

message: Am I insane/finally going blind from using this 'pedia too much, or is there no IPA pronounciation guide in this article? I can't figure out why 999 is removing the admittedly imperfect pronunciation guide with "IPA is all that is needed" when there's no IPA code on the page - right? Or is the unicode Egyptian somehow doing double-duty? I freely admit I don't speak IPA, but I had to ask... -- nae'blis 20:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is unusual. There is a page somewhere about transcription in Afro-asiatic languages that shows traditional transcription compared to IPA. I'll try to find it, ans write an IPA transcription of the name in the article. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 18:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, the comparison is at Proto-Semitic language. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 18:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA 

message: "These forms are all symbolic and are metaphors for Thoth's attributes. The Egyptians did not believe these gods actually looked like humans with animal heads."
Is this absolutely true?  Or is it merely representative of "official teachings" or the beliefs of the priestly class/religiously educated?  Sort of like how Catholicism has teachings with regards to the status of the saints, or Buddhism has teachings about Buddha not being a "god," but you see local variations of "folk practice" which may be different than the official doctrine.
In other words, I could see a bunch of Egyptian priests emphatically insisting the depictions are merely symbolic, while at the same time there's some Egyptian merchant driving his caravan along the roads, worrying that he might do something to offend the giant almighty aardvark-headed demi-human who rules the desert.
Macroidtoe 21:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Different printings of books differ in their pagination. The reference is correct in my paperback copy of the 2000 edition. In any case, it's the essay about the Egyptian gods at the end of Chapter 4, on nouns. If that is not sufficient, I can provide other sources. A. Parrot (talk) 19:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Depictions of Gods

message: This page should not be merged with the Taautus page, they aren't similar enough. And Thoth is an Egyptian god, and Taautus is a Phoenician god, and those are two completly different countries. Yugiohguy1 (talk) 17:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging

message: I've had to revise the lede as Thoth's counterpart is not Ma'at (and someone has copied this to other articles).  This is probably because virtually all of the article seems to come from one source, Budge (the etymology comes from an even older source, someone must have written on it since the 19th century! I'll slap a tag on it of some sort. (talk) 
:Do you have an alternative source?  The best known information to Wikipedia at this time is Budge, if a better source comes up that contradicts it, then that's the time for a switch.  The goal is to find a better source.  Now where do you get your information from that this is not the truth, that would be a good start. KV(Talk) 20:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia doesn't know any sources, it's editors who do. And it must be obvious that people have written on Thoth, etc. during the last 100 years, editors should try to get recent sources and never rely on century old ones for archaeology, Egyptology, etc unless they are doing a history of the subject or something like that. Good thing the author of the Sheshat article had something better although they didn't provide a reference. Anyway, see my revision of the lede with a modern day source.Doug Weller (talk) 21:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By Wikipedia, I mean the community, and the best that was put on the page to reflect that the community knows of it.  Of course, I just saw you place the tag and post here; I had not seen you add the source yet.  However, I believe it was without a page number, mind adding it?  I'm the one who put all the Budge stuff up because it's all I had at the time, especially the only thing that went into depth on any of the deities.  I don't know where Budge got the asertion, but he is a great source for finding basic bio information.  It wasn't until the past week or so that I had access to academic papers that might provide a larger variety.  I'm also going to just post your name there to sign the original statement for you.  I am curious though as to the change in thought over who was the feminine counterpart, I suppose I'll look into that later. KV(Talk) 22:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. There is a page number there, isn't there?  I've ordered a book on the subject. WHere did you post my name?
Working together hopefull we can improve some of this. Budge was working very early in the history of Egyptology, a lot has happened since and Budge's translations aren't always the best.  Maybe together we can get something better, although I admit that Egyptian religion isn't a strong point of mine -- it varies so much over time and between localities. However, I am on a couple of good mailing lists and have a friend who is an Egyptologist.
I found the Thoth/Ma'at stuff in an article on Egyptian astrology, evidently copied from here. The stuff on Egyptian astrology in Wikipedia seems to be sourced from Western astrology books with no knowledge of Egyptology, so not exactly good. :-) Doug Weller (talk) 06:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, Hopefullyl we can imiprove it, though I do have commitment to fixing up a deleted article before looking up more on Djehuty.  The problem with sourcing seems to be that most on this subject is rather obscure and Egyptology doesn't sell unless it's a complete overview or a picture book these days. :/  KV(Talk) 15:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I think that would be helpful, that section is poor.  I believe there is there is a tradition in Hermanopolis of Thoth as the creator of the other gods - this is not particularly remarkable in a henotheistic religion.  The word Neter (God) was applied to all sorts of beings from major creator deities to underworld demons so Apep as a Neter again is not that difficult - but could be misleading perhaps to a modern reader.  But there is no doubt that this section needs improvement after all it even calls Thoth the goose that lays the golden egg!!!Apepch7 (talk) 11:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: A bit of a mess

message: I think the bit saying that the Egyptians didn't think that Thoth had an ibis head needs citation.Tutthoth-Ankhre (talk) 20:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbolic Heads? 

message: I took the liberty of deleting the following:
A text entitled The Emerald Tablets of Thoth-The-Atlantean has been claimed to have been translated by a man named Doreal. The introduction claims them to be written by an Atlantean Priest-King named Thoth, who settled a colony in Egypt after Atlantis sank. Doreal further claims the texts are 36,000 years old. (Doreal p. i) 
I personally believe the lost continent of Atlantis existed and it quite possibly influenced the ancient Egyptians.  But Egyptologists almost unanimously in reject these theories as no evidence supports them.  Until such evidence surfaces in sufficient quality and quantity to contradict them, I suggest such connections be omitted from Wikipedia except in articles written as speculation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.177.30.232 (talk) 18:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted

message: This page says it is Seshat, but on the page for Ma'at it says she is Thoth's female side. 67.5.156.26 (talk) 21:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Female counter part. 

message: Some have linked Thoth with Hermes, and Hermes with the mysterious Judeo-Christian figure of Enoch. I don't know this works out, but comparisons may be appreciated if they can proven to be relevant. ADM (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hermes, Thoth and Enoch

message: It would be interesting of we could connect Thoth to the Exodus story. For instance, if we accept the idea that Thoth is close or related to Enoch/Hermes, then Thoth would also be of special value for the Jews, because the Jews also had a veneration for Enoch. Accordingly, Thoth could have helped the Jews flee Egypt and enter the land of Canaan, which is also known as the Promised Land. ADM (talk) 19:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like a program of original research to me. Robert A.West (Talk) 22:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Exodus story

message: Shouldn't it be pronounced "dehewetwey" for the second "common name" for Thoth?  The "hand" symbol was pronounced "d", not "dj" (which was I10 on the sign list - I believe it was some sort of snake).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.209.144.16 (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation of the heiroglyphic name for Thoth 

message: Isn't it worth a line or two in this section, that the Egyptian name "Thaut" pronounced with a unvoiced "t' becomes voiced when it crossed the border to Arabia and the semitic people pronounced it "Daud" and it then enters the Hebrew Bible as "David"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kameshaiyer (talk • contribs) 01:50, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be if it was reliably sourced to be a real cognate, and not original research or a false cognate. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient Egyptian name "Thoth" cognate with Semitic names "Daud" and "David" 

message: In the Name » Etymology section (at end of the first para) is "In modern Egypt, tour guides pronounce the name as "Thote" or "Tote" with an aspirated initial consonant." Is "aspirated" correct here? I would have thought it would have been glottalized or pharyngealized as an emphatic /ṭ/ would be a reasonable modern Arabic sound to represent the Ancient Egyptian ‹Dj›. There's no citation given for this, so I'm left speculating. :P — al-Shimoni (talk) 04:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Greek letter theta was pronounced as an aspirated "t" (technically, an aspirated voiceless dental plosive), at least in Classical Greek. The "th" letters at the beginning and end of the name "Thoth" represent the thetas that are present in "Θώθ", the Greek rendition of his name. So, the tour guides would have some reason to pronounce the name that way. I would guess that the statement, having no citation, is based on somebody's personal experiences. Even if that person heard a few tour guides say the name, it may not be representative of most guides—I doubt they're very consistent in their pronunciations. Considering those issues, I'll just remove the statement. A. Parrot (talk) 05:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aspirated T? 

message: This Wiki page belonging to Thoth is missing its listing of Parentage as others have on theirs. Why is that? There are two well attested and known accounts of his birth and parentage. The most well attested and recognised version is from the Osiris Myth, defining the event of his birth via the ingestion of Hor(us) sperm by Set(h) making those two his parents by default. There is also a well attested version of Ra birthing him from his lips as he has been known to do so with other Gods. 
Therefore his listing of parentage should be listed as: Ra or Set(h) and Hor(us)
The Wiki Page for the Osiris Myth documents and cites this version of birth well however none that I can see document the other version well. 109.158.18.247 (talk) 21:59, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing of Parentage 

message: еg. ḏḥwty, ḏiḥautī - borrowed into the Chuvash language as Tuhatmӑš 5.101.23.89 (talk) 22:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tuhatmӑš