Talk:Indian Institute of Planning and Management/Archive 7

message: Hi Deepak, just removed a line after Arindam Chaudhuri's name. I'm sure you'll understand why if you see the last saved version. Also, with respect to the BT ranking, a small clarification. The First Favourite category has IIPM standing as joint 7th and not 11th or 10th. I changed that also. Do feel free to change it back if you think it's confusing. Regards & Thanks, Mrinal 203.76.140.130 12:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a problem. I added a "Rankings don't matter" link as advertised in the IIPM web site as well. That change to Arindam Chaudhuri was by some other user, which you've reverted (thank you). Deepakshenoy 10:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "rankings don't matter" link seems perfect... Take care (btw, Italy won :-) Mrinal 203.76.140.130 12:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You bet...I was all for France until Zizou did the stupidest thing in the world. Anyhow, such is life and world cups. Deepakshenoy 06:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  At least Zidane won the Golden Boot award (or something like that), which is given for overall play. I guess that gives him a lot of additional respect, especially given the head butting episode. Not that I want to misuse this discussion space, but came across a hilarious sms joke on that episode. It goes like this--->>>  The mystery is solved. What did Materazzi tell Zidane just before the incident? "Bhai, hum sub log yeh Chlormint kyon khaten hain?" :-) Frankly, I laughed a lot when I read this sms. Anyway, advance apologies for utilising this space. I'll come back to some requests. I was wondering whether in the ranking paragraph, I can put more details of the Business Barons ranking (as in the parameterwise breakup; like what you've given in Business Today). Further, also wanted to request you whether we can put Outlook's ranking that was given to IIPM one year before... Thanks and take care, Mrinal 61.16.233.194 08:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting paragraphs 

message: I have just read a scan of the BT ranking at http://www.iipm.edu/iipm-b-school-ranking.html. Note here that IIPM Delhi and Mumbai gets a 2006 BEI score of 0.66 and 0.71, which are rank #27 and #26 respectively, comparing figures for 2006. If I'm right, that should be the ranking then? I will get myself a copy of the magazine today to confirm. Deepakshenoy 11:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the magazine with me. On page 87 are the "Top 10" in which IIPM does not figure. IIPM does not figure in the top 10 colleges marked by recruiters, or my MBA wannabes, by Functional Heads, or by Young Executives. IIPM Delhi ranks #5 (jointly) with FMS by MBA student ranking (page 92). The B-School Fact sheet (page 140) has no mention of IIPM.  Page 164 has a respondent sheet (which I talked about earlier) which as you said, looks like a typo but we have to get a confirmation. If it's a typo, then IIPM Delhi is #11 and IIPM-Mumbai is ranked #16 out of 30. On page 165, 3% of recruiters make a case for IIPM Delhi, and 2% of people say IIPM Delhi was their "first favourite". IIPM does not appear in any other "top 10" ranking and there is no mention in the "How the Schools Perform" table (page 170). I have changed the text to reflect these facts. Deepakshenoy 19:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's perfectly edited... Take care & Good night, Mrinal 203.76.140.130 22:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking in Business Today, July 2006 

message: I feel it's very pertinent to now update this page with the latest B-school ranking by India's largest and most credible business magazine, Business Today (research by A.C. Nielsen, ORG Marg). BT has ranked IIPM New Delhi no. 5 across India (as per MBA students), No. 7 across India (as per recruiters), No. 11 (overall). IIPM Mumbai has been ranked 16. I don't have a log-in, but would appreciate the peer review and authentication of this information that I have put up. Regards... Mrinal Sinha —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.16.233.194 (talk • contribs) .
: Kindly sign your comments in Wikipedia fashion. Deepakshenoy 07:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Business Today July 16th issue, 2006 ranking of IIPM 

message: After many days of peer review, I request again that somebody should put up the actual link in Hindustan Times Business Page that mentions that the Belgium Education Ministry says that IMI Degrees do not fall under the same gamut of recognition as other university degrees in Belgium, Europe. Though Hindustan Times had been mentioned, unfortunately, till the time the actual link is put up, which directly relates to the web site of Hindustan Times, it'll be tough for the information to be put up beyond a reasonable amount of time for peer review. Request again that somebody with access to online HT could link up the news and restore the past version. Thanks... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.76.140.130 (talk • contribs) .
: HT Web site requires subscription. Someone had mentioned the exact page number etc. which I'll take as honest, similar to the way I'm treating the BT rankings (since I can't read them online). Deepakshenoy 07:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Courses being offered 

message: <<<<A note: The seminars of IIPM are very much for their own students. It is misleading on your part to comment that anybody can sit in these seminars. I guess you are confusing the seminars with the corporate workshops that IIPM conducts for companies across India>>>> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.16.233.196 (talk • contribs) 
I have issues with something mentioned in the GOP section -
IIPM organizes lectures by over 30 professors from the worlds top 15 b-schools such as Harvard, Columbia, Wharton, Stanford etc for its students. 
IIPM has also arranged exclusive seminars for their students by Leadership expert and author of 'The 7 Habits of Highly effective people' Stephen Covey.....
It is misleading to term these lectures and seminars as "exclusive for students". IIPM conducts these seminars are events for whoever wants to attend them after paying an entry fees, which IIPM terms as "investment". Since anyone who can pay the fees can attend the lectures, they are hardly "exclusive for their students". In fact IIPM advertises these seminars in all leading newspapers. 
Proposed edit - Deleting the words I have made bold, and removing any insinuation that the foreign professors are flown in exclusively for IIPM students. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ponytailsnipper (talk • contribs) 
:It's been many days since I have posted it on the talk page. I see no objections. I am making the proposed edits, Dipali. Ponytailsnipper 02:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note about making the article internationally accessible, b-school isn't a term that is understood everywhere, and should be replaced with business school, including the wiki link. --K. AKA Konrad West TALK 15:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't see the term b-school used anywhere on the wiki. Just on the talk page. Ponytailsnipper 03:01, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

text: NOTE: Please do not remove or edit someone else's text. Add your own, if necessary. Part of the earlier paragraph was removed in an edit by User:59.144.184.3, I have reverted back. Deepakshenoy 07:08, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global Outreach Program 

message: Have re-added some information about the publications - we need some details, surely. If the details are too sketchy, feel free to add more detail. It turns out that all the earlier (four) journals are now consolidated into one magazine, 4Ps. I have added the link. 
Further note that "Business and Economy" is not published by IIPM, but by Planman media. There seem to be links with IIPM but nothing is clear about who owns who. I have therefore removed the magazine's mention. Deepakshenoy 11:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publications 

message: Have added a section about Students' feedback. The IIPM Students union has started a website which details the students' perspective about all the relevant issues. Makrandjoshi 03:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the IIPM Student's union is a valid or official union - there are no links to office bearers on the site, and no names of any of the students involved. Any student union is recognised as such by the institute, and this body must not be faceless. At this point there is no evidence that this site is owned or run by students of IIPM, therefore I have reverted all such links. Deepakshenoy 11:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Deepak, considering the nature of the controversy it would be naive to expect students to identify themselves. I understand your concerns but the website just needs to be read in detail to understand that it is genuine. I know the people running the site, but I know my word won't be enough. This is a bit of a Catch-22 isn't it? Makrandjoshi 13:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Makrand, I understand your point of view but we have to play fair. How can I or the rest of the world know this is genuine? And if it's genuine, why not enlist the names of ex-students who can vouch for the data, with their names? Surely, ex-students aren't bound by IIPM? I'm removing the link until we get verifiable evidence - nothing in the web site, is truly verifiable; it seems to be a anonymous web site. Deepakshenoy 15:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, unless the link is verifiable it can't be placed on the page. When you finish your final year you can post information about names and such, or get some ex-students with verifiable information to support your views. Till then the site is anonymous and could be vendetta, for all we know. Deepakshenoy 06:48, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: You've got to understand what the deal is with Wikipedia. Focus of verifiability. Your web site has no indication of any names or persons: how do we know this isn't funded by a different school just to discredit IIPM? I'm not very fond of IIPM - I find their ad copies repulsive, the text of their "article" unpalatably bad and the institute facilities "hopeless". But that's my opinion, and I shall keep it out of the main page. And you must do so too. I wholly welcome your initiative, but unless you have names and verifiability it won't fly on this site. Deepakshenoy 10:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Students' Union

message: The main degrees offered are those in planning and entrepreurship, which IIPM clarifies are non-professional and non-technical courses. The degrees awarded by IMI Europe are extra. Thus these should not be mentioned in the intro, but in a separate para.
Hindustan Times, Mumbai Editiion May 21st 2006, Page 17 (business page) had a story about higher education in which the reporter has written that he got a mail from the Education ministry of Belgium (where IMI is located) saying that the institute or its degrees are not reognised in Belgium, and in Europe. I am mentioning this in the separate section Makrandjoshi 10:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't access the link, but I have retained the text while reorganizing the article, hope that is ok. I have placed on record the date and time of the article, and put it in as static text instead of a link. Deepakshenoy 06:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IMI Belgium

message: It was looking like an advertorial, listing descriptions of the magazine and several names as "contributors". The articles are all syndicated, and any magazine can buy them. The para here gave the impression that Chomsky, Rumsfeld etc write "for" IIPM's magazines which is not correct.
Going into too much detail about the magazines and passing value judgements like "leading magazine" and "competing with BW, BT" etc is marketingspeak and not at all encyclopaedic.
I have made the edits I felt necessary. Deepak, do give them a once-over. Makrandjoshi 06:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. Have added small descriptions to the magazine names to show what they are for, but otherwise the text is fine. I like it actually - more fact than conjured words! Deepakshenoy 11:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: About Publications

message: Can the person who put the NPOV tag please mention specific areas where there seems to be a problem with NPOV? Please go through the talk archives too, and if there's still an NPOV there let's fix it. If there is no reply in a week I will remove the NPOV tag. Deepakshenoy 11:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV Tag?