Talk:Naturism/Archive 1

message: * (added by User:Patrick) Quote: I really think that laws should simply be changed so that the entire world is a nudist resort 24/7".
It would probably be useful if the article said where this quote was from. (Also, does anyone have a better way of quoting italicised text?) Elektron 18:32, 2004 May 2 (UTC)
:I have added the source, but someone deleted the quote anyway on the ground "Obscure reference from a board, hardly a reasonable source of information". As source of information I would agree, for a quote it may not be a problem.--Patrick 08:05, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I just don't see what this quote was trying to show. Of course you find opinions on everything on the net, and this one seems not in any way special. Unless it's from some sort of authority on the field, I simply doubt it provides any information. --Laca 17:17, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Quote 

message: I thought I wrote the correction about Sandy Hook National Park not existing but apparently it was written by 141.150.107.19 so I want to retract my apology because I have nothing to apologize for because it wasn't my mistake. Misterrick 01:08, 08 December 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Retraction of my apologize

message: One thing about the pic...if it's to make a more realistic impression about nudism, perhaps it should be something that doesn't resemble yet another nude beach pic, where even non-nudists go once in a while. How about a pic showing people going about their everyday life (in a non-private setting) nude? Kaz 17:15, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like a photo of Cap D'agde then? Thryduulf 17:38, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: imho this image is not suitable as it doesn't really illustrate the social aspect of nudism, which imho is a key thing to show. Also, while I don't have a problem with the apropriateness in another context and it is completely legal (as I understand the relevant laws), given the current political climate regarding paedophilia we really ought not have an image that some overzealous member of the "moral majority" could misinterpret in that way. (Note that I don't think there is anything wrong with the image, but when parents have been questioned for many hours for taking photos of their children in the bath, its best (imho) to be extraordinarily cautious). If theres consensus I'm tempted to slip it quietly through IfD as OR UE to try and avoid the furory (sp?) that has surrounded an image that shows one of Kate Winslett's breasts slightly out of focus in the context of a much larger image. Thryduulf 09:26, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree with Infrogmation, and removed the pic again after an anon put it back. But I think there should be some picture here. Shanes 10:05, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree there should be a picture here, but not this one. I've been keeping an eye out, but on the one occasion so far I've seen something suitable the copyright holder never got back to me :(. Thryduulf 12:29, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just come accross a site that claims to have over 7,900 naturist photos  and so I have emailed the webmaster asking for permission to use a suitable image. Thryduulf 13:02, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pic... 

message: I've just gone through and alphebetised all the external links on the article, but there are a very large number. I think that it would be worthwile going through and removing all of those that aren't notable. As it is I think its in danger of becomming a link farm. Thryduulf 10:46, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many external links?

message: As illustrated on the main Wikipedia page for "nudism" imho the nudist man is an exhibitionist. Is this the best the nudists can do for a graphic? To show a man by himself with be taken as Gay and to put a woman will be sexual exploitation because the movement is predominately white men? But can't you do better than this?
:There are lots of much better images of nudism than we have here; however all the ones I have seen have been copyrighted. I have asked several webmasters to release a picture under an apropriate liscence and only one has responded (they said that they were not the copyright holder and could not therefore release the image under a different liscence, and did not now how to contact the person who does hold the copyright). I will keep trying, and encourage others to do so as well. Thryduulf 13:03, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Would like to suggest as an intermediate solution the Voyager picture  -- Test-tools 11:52, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What does that have to do with nudism?  And what "nudist man" are we talking about?  Powers 20:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Nudist Man is an Exhibitionist 

message: Is nudism simply "non-sexual full nudity" or does it have to be  associated with a certain industry, club membership or nationality? Below are some fully nude non-sexual activities. Which of them can be considered nudism?
* massage therapy (patient covered by a towel, but nude underneath)
* male-only YMCA swimming pools, back when nudity was required
* changing clothes, using the bathroom, or taking a shower in a lockerroom
* showering at home
* at home, surfing the web / trimming the lawn in the nude
* nude tribes, past and present, that lives / have lived in a tropical or subtropical region 
* skinny dipping in a secluded pond
* gender segregated public baths in Ancient Greece or the Roman Empire
* gender segregated public baths in present day Korea
* mixed gender public baths in rural Japan
* other Japanese public baths with required nudity (onsen, sento, outdoor, indoor, mixed or segregated genders)
* Scandinavian saunas
Maybe creating :Category:Nudism would be a good idea? —MangoCurry 03:03, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  When can non-sexual full nudity be considered nudism? 

message: (Introduced: 20:18, 16 April 2005. image link)
:16:25, 17. Apr 2005 Petaholmes "Image:- 12nohair.jpg" deleted (Image may be considered child pornography in some jurisdictions)
:Imho this image wasn't pornogrpahic, but because it was a full-frontal picture of a naked human female under the age of 18 (presumably 12, based on the image name) it was highly likely to come under the definition of "Child Pornography" in some jurisdictions. 
:Tagishsimon cited "image title & content lead to suspicion that we are carrying what in many jurisdictions would be considered child pornography" as a reason to speedy-delete the image. 
:Petaholmes evidently agreed and deleted the image. The image also had no information on its source, which would now make it a speedy-deletion criteria, regardless of content, but this was not the case when it was uploaded. Thryduulf 23:14, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image: - 12nohair.jpg

message: (Introduced: 23:25, 29 June 2005. image link)
* One unsigned user decided that he was an "exhibitionist." No explanation given to support his/her claim, doesn't sign his posts. --MangoCurry 22:16, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:Nudist man.jpg

message: (Introduced: 07:52, 18 August 2005. image link)
* The image based on the Pioneer 11 plaque is less interesting since it is black and white, non-photograph and looks more like a diagram from a medical textbook rather than individuals enjoying nudist activities. --MangoCurry 22:08, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * Yes, this is so, and maybe intentional so, if so. In absence of a better a better illustration, I have added this again -- Test-tools 10:15, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:Human.png

message: (Introduced: 01:30, 17 September 2005. image link)
:04:20, 19. Sep 2005 Zscout370 "Image:Z140.jpg" deleted (as per http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=23398569)
* In my opinion, the nude image does not depict sexually explicit conduct as defined by US code: Title 18 Sect. 2256, hence it does not violate US child pornography law. IANAL--MangoCurry 22:08, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image:Z140.jpg

message: There's a curious statement in the article: "In ancient Egypt under Pharaoh Akhen-Aton (1385-1353 BCE) public nudity was not at all uncommon". I wonder what is the source for this. And should we conclude from this one reign being singled out that nudity was uncommon in the rest of the very long history of ancient Egypt? --rossb 07:42, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't object to removing that single sentence add-on. That sentence would be useful perhaps when describing Egyptian historical art and lifestyle, perhaps, but doesn't serve much of a purpose in the current article, and there's also the question of verifiability. It's also very vague as to what it means by nudity.--MangoCurry 08:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the sentence in question. --rossb 15:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient Egypt 

message: Oxford American Dictionaries, which is a Mac OS X widget, defines a nudist as follows: "a person who engages in the practice of going naked wherever possible." I sort of like this definition the most. To the earlier question I posed of whether locker room showers is nudism, the answer would be that a naked activity is a nudist activity to a nudist and not to a non-nudist. So it's more of a state of mind. I think this is a more successful definition rather than coming up with criterias such as "must be mixed gender," or it must be "for reasons of health," "originating in so-and-so movement," etc. What do others think? --MangoCurry 08:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defining nudism 

message: The link for The Nudist Hall of Shame has been repeatedly deleted from the external links area. I would like to know how to prevent this censorship of criticism, please? Nikkicraft 17:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that that link is relevant to the article.  In the short term, just keep adding it back.  I've added this page to my Watchlist so I can keep an eye on it too.  You can also file an RfC (Request for Comment) to invite other Wikipedians to weigh in on whether the link should be there.  See the Help link in the left-hand sidebar of any page for more.  -MichaelBluejay 06:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism of nudism 

message: I would like to propose to move common sections of naturism and nudism as well as related issues to a new page called Clothes free movement. Dandelion1 23:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Implenting above. For discussion please see Talk:Clothes_free_movement. Dandelion1 08:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge/move suggestion