Talk:The Maltese Falcon (novel)

message: Below is some content from Sam Spade, which I deleted from that page, but do not have the strength to whip into any kind of shape for inclusion here. I leave it here to save someone who wants to include it the trouble of finding it again.
===Films===
* The Maltese Falcon (AKA Dangerous Female)
:(1931, Warner Brothers)
:80 minutes
:Based on the novel by Dashiell Hammett
:Screenplay by Maude Fulton, Lucien Hubbard, Brown Holmes
:Directed by Roy del Ruth
:Starring Ricardo Cortez as SAM SPADE
:with Bebe Daniels as Ruth Wonderly
:Dudley Digges as Casper Gutman
:Dwight Fry as Wilmer
:Otto Matiesen as Joel Cairo
:Una Merkel as Effie Perrine
:Also starring Robert Elliot, Thelma Todd, Walter Long, J. Farrell MacDonald
* The Maltese Falcon
:(1941, Warner Brothers)
:100 minutes, US
:Based on the novel by Dashiell Hammett
:Screenplay by John Huston
:Directed by John Huston
:Assistant Director: Claude Archer
:Associate Producer: Henry Blanke
:Exectutive Producer: Hal B. Wallis
:Starring Humphrey Bogart as SAM SPADE
:with Mary Astor as Bridgid O'Shaugnessy
:Lee Patrick as Effie Perrine
:Sydney Greenstreet as Casper Gutman
:Peter Lorre as Joel Cairo
:Elisha Cook Jr. as Wilmer Cook
:Also starring Gladys George, Barton MacLane, Ward Bond, Jerome Cowan, James Burke, John Hamilton, Emory Parnell and
:Walter Huston as Captain Jacobi
* See also THE BLACK BIRD
:(1975, Columbia)
:I don't think any of this information is necessary or appropriate for an article about the book.  All of this is already present in the articles about the films.  Here it is irrelevant. ---Charles 06:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: * The Maltese Falcon (AKA Dangerous Female)
:(1931, Warner Brothers)
:80 minutes
:Based on the novel by Dashiell Hammett
:Screenplay by Maude Fulton, Lucien Hubbard, Brown Holmes
:Directed by Roy del Ruth
:Starring Ricardo Cortez as SAM SPADE
:with Bebe Daniels as Ruth Wonderly
:Dudley Digges as Casper Gutman
:Dwight Fry as Wilmer
:Otto Matiesen as Joel Cairo
:Una Merkel as Effie Perrine
:Also starring Robert Elliot, Thelma Todd, Walter Long, J. Farrell MacDonald
* The Maltese Falcon
:(1941, Warner Brothers)
:100 minutes, US
:Based on the novel by Dashiell Hammett
:Screenplay by John Huston
:Directed by John Huston
:Assistant Director: Claude Archer
:Associate Producer: Henry Blanke
:Exectutive Producer: Hal B. Wallis
:Starring Humphrey Bogart as SAM SPADE
:with Mary Astor as Bridgid O'Shaugnessy
:Lee Patrick as Effie Perrine
:Sydney Greenstreet as Casper Gutman
:Peter Lorre as Joel Cairo
:Elisha Cook Jr. as Wilmer Cook
:Also starring Gladys George, Barton MacLane, Ward Bond, Jerome Cowan, James Burke, John Hamilton, Emory Parnell and
:Walter Huston as Captain Jacobi
* See also THE BLACK BIRD
:(1975, Columbia)
:I don't think any of this information is necessary or appropriate for an article about the book.  All of this is already present in the articles about the films.  Here it is irrelevant. ---Charles 06:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Films

message: The plot summary seems to be long and could use some subdivision. ChKa 19:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary 

message: I'm repeating David Gerard's removal of the redundant warning in the clearly marked Plot section. This warning is unnecessary. --Tony Sidaway 10:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a ongoing community debate about spoiler and how (and if) they should be used.  Your wholseale removal of them is pre-empting that result of that debate before a consensus is declared.  While the debate is ongoing, the status quo should be maintained, and that means that spoilers will stay in place until a consensus is reached.  Please do not continue to delete them, and they will just be replaced.  If you fell strongly about this, go participate in the debate -- if your point of view prevails, then there's nothing to stop spoilers from being removed.  Until then, please cease. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk/cont) 05:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't remove the spoilers, but have removed the note that the Plot section contains information about the plot. Kusma (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant warning

message: I think that the article Sam Spade should be merged with this article, as all the information there is just about his popularity, which I do not think is notable enough to be included in a Wikipedia article.CheckeredFlag200 01:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's quite a large article so it's probably OK to keep them seperate. Davidbod 17:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: As with Philip Marlowe, they are both recogniseable outside of their novels and films. It is fine the way it is. Reginmund 01:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk/cont) 06:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Spade stands on his own two feet. In addition, the proposed target article is a bit on the large side to accept a significant amount of material from the other article. Since it appears that there is consensus against the merge, I'll remove the proposal from WP:PM. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 21:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this is an old discussion but just wanted to sayI agree, Spade deserves his own article. The character lived on in other media, not authored by Hammett. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:37, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: The Flitcraft story was a central point of Hammett's novel.  It's not in the Huston/Bogart film.  Was it filmed?  If it was, why was it cut? Dugong.is.good.tucker (talk) 20:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know it was never part of the screenplay.  Since the scene would involve Spade telling a long story, the choice would either be to dramatize the story (more actors + more sets = more cost for a story and characters that are never referred to again) or to show Spade telling the story, which would likely be boring.  Since film has the advantage of showing a person's characater by their behavior, instead of describing it, I assume that Houston & Bogart simply incorporated what the story tells us about Spade into the portrayal of Spade we see on the screen.  Although I value the Flitcraft story, for a movie I think it was an excellent cut. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 21:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The story about how the novel was translated to film (in the Bogart version) is IMO very interesting. Huston had his secretary do what was meant to be a preliminary “treatment” where she directly transcribed the novel into a script. The idea was that would be a first draft but Huston liked it so much he essentially kept it, which is why the movie is one of the most faithful adaptations of any novel to film. In hindsight it makes sense because Hammett’s style was so filled with witty dialogue it was a natural for film (unlike e.g., Chandler whose novels had so much of Marlowe’s inner monologues). Btw, I noticed there seemed to be debate as to which movie is more faithful. There is no question the Bogart film is much more faithful. The first film adaptation made major changes to characters and events. Anyone who disagrees either hasn’t read the novel and seen both films or is just trolling. On Flitcraft, I agree the removal made sense given the style of movies back then. Most of the dialogue advances the plot or gives us essential info about the characters, which the Flitcraft story didn’t. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:33, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Flitcraft

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replies: text: I've added a FUR to the image's page to cover this article.  Anyone who wishes to improve it, please be my guest. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 20:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I;ve also corrected the FUR on File:Maltesefalcon1931.jpg to cover this article. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 07:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Same for File:Satan Met a Lady screenshot.jpg Ed Fitzgerald t / c 20:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And for File:TheMalteseFalcon3 sz175.jpg Ed Fitzgerald t / c 14:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And, rounding it out, File:MalteseFalcon1930.jpg. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 14:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:BlackMaskFalcon2.jpg

message: The Maltese Falcon has been called the greatest American crime novel, and it author has been credited with raising the genre to the status of literature, whatever that may imply. The characters are caricatures, the episodes often implausible or preposterous, and the style frequently awkward and inelegant, at least in the original serialization in Black Mask. Why the accolades?Jim Lacey (talk) 16:57, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn’t the forum for subjective discussions about each editor’s opinion on the quality of the novel. What matters are the evaluations in reliable sources, and there is a strong consensus that this is one of the most highly praised American crime novels and one of the best examples of “hard boiled” crime fiction.--MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:19, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reputation? 

message: I trimmed the plot summary, but it is probably still too long.  It could be that most of the plot details should be removed and a short, simple summary put in their place.  The plot is too complex to describe it with any accuracy in just a few hundred words. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 19:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

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*search: "On approximately this spot, Miles Archer, Partner of Sam Spade, was done in by Brigid O’Shaughnessy"
*Howard Gossage
*Hunter S. Thompson
*Warren Hinckle
*Nibbi Brothers construction, San Francisco
: .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 07:37, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: On approximately this spot, Miles Archer, Partner of Sam Spade, was done in by Brigid O’Shaughnessy