Talk:Eric S. Raymond/Archive 1

message: How about a GREAT BIG NPOV tag on the top of this article? I can't say I know a lot about the subject (stumbled upon the article), but after reading the comments on this discussion page and looking at the history, it's neutrality is certainly disputed. It is clearly a place of frequent reversions and edit wars. So, how about it? -- xompanthy 23:44, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why exactly? I can't find anything in the article that could be read as POV against Raymond (except, maybe, the pictures ;-) ). It only refers to things as "controversial" that are controversial (no matter what you thing about them). It also mentions some criticism against Raymond, but not in an indue amout or manner. As it is, the article seems quite fair and neutral to me (disclaimer: haven't been involved in writing it except for deleting a single link that was indeed very POV). --Chrissi 11:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Lol, so why the image of him playing hte flute?! Though it does counter-balance the gun-wielding one below. Anyway, thanks for the chuckle... --Mikademus 11:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: About the "shut up and show them the code" essay. I see no reason to believe that the fact ESR isn't a major coder himself should render his argument useless. He actually acknowledges that RMS is a great hacker. That's the whole point of the essay. I'm not even an ESR fanboy, but I think we at least owe him some objective judgement here. Even if his coding isn't as important, its not as if he doesn't have the right to be critical of RMS.
See further discussion below. --216.114.169.36 06:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sort of biased 

message: Wow. I have read through this talk page now, and I'm amazed at the vehemence screaming from between the lines here. I myself is neutral about ESR, by which I mean I am not a fan nor an atagonist, but this page does show a heavy dominance of the latter category. If the main article is in the hands of people with such strong negative opinions and predispositions about the subject then I cannot trust the neutrality of the page, a concern that I find substantiated in the considerable "criticism" header, which unbalances the article and is constructed from claims that seems to me, as an exteral party, to be argumentative, ad hominem and hostile rather than documentary and neutral, as is the Wikipedia ideals. Also, some of the criticism seems to suffer from the same lacks as ESR himslef is accused of, below. Perhaps "Hell hath no fury like programmers scorned"? This page should be revised and arbitred by a neutral party. Mikademus 11:38, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In 2005, Raymond made pleas to Wikipedians to remove criticisms found in his biographical article on "Wikipedia. His arguments were about correctness but also persuasions "to meet a higher quality standard" on Wikipedia."
Yes, factually true, but does it really belong in the article? It really seems like nothing but small-minded spitefulness, trolling and a pitful attempt at denigrating the subject. I would remove it but this article is too flammable for me to touch. It should really be adorned with a "NPOV disputed" tag. Mikademus 14:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed this self-reference.  Raymond's feedback was understandable, properly attributed, and even relatively routine IMO, and not nearly notable enough to be mentioned in the main article.  Besides, do we really want to get into the habit of having articles reference their own talk page as a source?  That seems highly questionable to me.  --Saucepan 22:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flamefest