Talk:Karmiel

message: Can someone fill in the info on the city's establishment from another angle? Info from a book by Sabri Jiryis (with a foreword by Noam Chomsky) would probably have bias. ehudshapira 23:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Wikipedia is devoted to giving everyone the opportunity to do the research & writing needed to create what they believe belongs here. Sounds like you have what it takes. Do it! --Rich Janis (talk) 08:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More angles on establishment? 

message: The issue is now under discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration. I have ordered the English edition of Jiryis work; his book is translated both to Swedish and Norwegian, and I had only one of these Scandinavian editions available at the local library. In order for us to agree about wording and page-numbering, I thought I must get the English version. However, I will in any case not be working on this for the next weeks, as I have 2 books on Palestinian cinema on loan from out-of-town libraries, so working on Cinema of Palestine must be my priority in the nearest future.
Ynhochey, how is your research on Karmiels history progressing? Regards, Huldra (talk) 13:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't had much time to do anything lately and will get back to this issue either this weekend or next. Sorry for the delay. In the meantime, Nudve will possibly be able to bring some new information. Today I will reply to your October 28 comments which I didn't notice until today. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This articles from the Israel Democracy Institute mentions the expropriation (5000 dunams). Hillel Cohen's book discusses it as a case study of the Israeli security services' use of collaborators to affect the media, so much of it isn't entirely relevant here. He does mention Uri Davis' efforts and the February 1965 demonstration in particular, so it's probably notable. -- Nudve (talk) 13:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newest developement 

message: with a C? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.101.214 (talk) 15:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen it written that way, but generally it is written with a K. You are probably confusing it with Carmel, which is almost always written with a C. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  isn't it Carmiel? 

message: To write Karmi'el is incorrect. The use of the apostrophe when transliterating Hebrew is for the glottal stop before the letter ayin. Karmiel is written with an aleph and not an ayin, so Karmiel is the correct transliteration.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cymruisrael (talk • contribs) 07:37, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why in my original edit, I changed it to "Karmiˀel" according to ISO 259-3 or even other ISO 259 editions, but someone undid it. Ly362 (talk) 10:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

text: But who decided that an apostrophe denotes ˁayn? There's no agreed upon standard. Ly362 (talk) 10:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

text: In fact in most signs here it says "Karmi'el". Ly362 (talk) 10:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue here isn't the correct literal transliteration (the Academy for the Hebrew Language makes the standards), but the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia. One such guideline is WP:COMMONNAME, which states that you can't use an obscure name (including transliterations) if there is a common one. Using non-ASCII symbols in titles is also problematic from a technical point of view (except dashes, which is no longer an issue). —Ynhockey (Talk) 23:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, according to what you said, the "transliteration" of this name here should be "Karmi'el". Ly362 (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It already was in the original version, see infobox. The mail title, however, should reflect the name most commonly used in English, if there is one. This is a fairly clear-cut case. —Ynhockey (Talk) 19:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't an English name for this relatively new city, it isn't Jerusalem. The common Romanization here in Israel is "Karmi'el", that's what appears on all road signs and other signs here around Karmi'el and farther south, and also that's what the Hebrew Transliteration guideline here on Wikipedia insturcts, doesn't it? Not that I am happy with the situation of the Romanization, including the newer decision of the academy, for road signs, that's I'm not sure when it should take effect. I'm in favor of ISO 259-3 in any case, like "Karmiˀel", but if not then it should be "Karmi'el". Ly362 (talk) 23:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Karmiel has appeared often enough in English-language publications, and has consistently been spelled Karmiel. Again, there's no ambiguity here—it's not like a number of significant publication used a different spelling. WP:COMMONNAME doesn't apply only to cities that have a Biblical English name. —Ynhockey (Talk) 18:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

text: P.S. I think you should also review this policy, which states that: "In a nutshell: Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources." —Ynhockey (Talk) 18:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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