Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs/Archive B4

message: I think the Northern Inuit dog page may need a bit of help. the disscusion page is getting a bit political and the article itself is looking a bit of a mess. Any help would be appreciated--Exhaustfumes (talk) 12:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Inuit 

message: At various times people have added a reference to tomberto to the pit bull article. This word only shows up 302 times on Google, the results including many copies of Wikipedia and stuff in Spanish I don't understand. Is there such a thing as a Tomberto or are we being vandalised?--Peter cohen (talk) 15:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pit Bull]] and tomberto. 

message: Hi!  I'm not a member of this project, and in fact don't even own a dog.  But I am interested (and quite involved) in the whole wiki concept.  So I was wondering if anyone from this project might be interested in reporting on WikiNews about the Westminster Dog Show, which is coming up in a couple weeks.  If you are, head on over to the article prep page I started, leave a note on the talk page, and let's see what happens! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Westminster WikiNews 

message: Hi dog lovers. Tonight I watched a very interesting TV programme - [dogs exposed]. It is currently available on the BBC iplayer. Essentially the programme details the way in which selective breeding in dogs, and especially the kennel club, have created vast numbers of severely inbred dogs who are mentally retarded and physically disabled, and who live pain-filled and often short lives. I confess I know nothing about dogs, and presume these issues have been discussed somewhat on pages within WikiProject Dogs. However this really is a very good, eye opening programme, and I would encourage all of you to watch it, and more importantly add information from it to any relevant articles. Cheers, Willy turner (talk) 21:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And then after that, please look at Implications of the Kennel Club decision on the Pekingese: Pedigree Dogs Exposed for a deeper look at the situation, including factual descriptions and the way the material was manipulated for a sensational TV show. To comply with WP:NPOV, also "more importantly add information from it to any relevant articles".--Hafwyn (talk) 16:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But definitely not that site, it's a personal website (actually a blog) and can't be used. Doug Weller (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something you should all see 

message: Can people please take a look at this discussion  about external links on dog breed pages? I agree with the suggestion that there should be clear guidelines from the project as to what external links are appropriate and what links should not be included. Doug Weller (talk) 15:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also discussed in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs; the solution may be use Template:Dmoz for groups of links. Why it is called "DMOZ" is not clear and how to use it is even less clear. I have no idea what the template does. Long lists of links must be submitted one at a time, and then wait to be reviewed (?) There does not appear to be a need for any "dog" editors. The whole thing is labyrinthine and exhausting. Any other ideas?--Hafwyn (talk) 22:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policy on external links 

message: This would only apply to the External links section:
*Remove from the External links section of breed articles all links to clubs (except perhaps for the original breed club in long established breeds for historical reasons.) New breeds that are still fighting about who is in charge put it all on DMOZ. 
*No kennel links, that's advertising. Breed specific rescue groups, grooming tips links, and other information should also go on the DMOZ page. 
*Other information that wouldn't be on the DMOZ page but would be of interest to readers of the article could be included in the External links -- an example might be a page on the genetics of an unusual coat colour or a link to historical photographs or information about the geography of the breed's original territory.  Just not clubs and kennels.
*This would not stop anyone from using a good page as an in-line reference for information in the body of the article.
--Hafwyn (talk) 22:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Define and remove excess links 

message: Hi guys!  I originally went over to :Category:Wikipedia requested breed photographs in order to help find some images for articles.  I actually ended up spending some time removing defunct , some of which were placed over two years ago and had since had the requested images added.  It's a crappy job, and i'm going to bed for the night, but i thought i would mention this to you in case there's anyone out there who likes this kind of tdious work.  Enjoy! -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 07:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated requested photos 

message: The Shih Tzu article is in dire need of assistance at the moment. 5-6 different formats throughout, impromptu lists of facts, unsourced health information... I'm doing my best to keep it from getting worse (as I stated on the discussion page, too many fanciers, not enough experts), I simply don't have the time to take the article down and rewrite it (which is really what it needs).  --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 14:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Article has been reorganised for ease of future editing, and now does need help from some serious fanciers, especially with the incomprehensible section contrasting the two kennel club variants. --Hafwyn (talk) 17:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shih Tzu 

message: There is a new template, Template:Infobox Dog crossbreed, for use with articles about named crossbreeds (that are not breeds). Selections are basic -- the name, the photo, the breeds from which it came, and any other names. It is now on the Jug (dog) article (the article itself article is unsourced and most likely just someone's pet, and probably should be deleted, but it is an example.) Not intended for use with unrecognised breeds that are obviously becoming breeds, but rather for named deliberate crosses that have articles on Wikipedia.--Hafwyn (talk) 04:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This has long since been merged into Template:Infobox dog breed.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crosses 

message: With above distinct crossbreed info in mind, could someone take a look at [this page] and help clean it up?  The "modern breed" section in particular is looking pretty confusingly hopeless.  There seem to be two distinct "breeds" being muddled together in this article: one's the more generic original medieval dog type (guardian mastiffs of any sort as bandogges), and the other is examples of a mishmashed number of modern crossbreeds and mixes someone's apparently calling bandogs after the much older type.  (The picture's caption, if you click on it, looks like a badly written ad--seems very inappropriate.)  My impression is that it's in need of serious rewriting, and maybe even two separate pages, in order to clarify?  What do you think?
I'm not certain if this should be a subcategory to this or what; I'm still a Wikinewbie so please tell me and forgive me if this is in the wrong spot.
Bryndel (talk) 05:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bandog]] 

message: When some of you get a chance, could you drop by the Maltese talk page and add some input?  There is a months-long edit war going on over the heritage/history of the dog (with nationalistic overtones) that has completely ruined any attempt at moving this article forward.  I'm at the point where I wonder "how much is too much" with respect to the history of the dog.  I'm of the opinion that not every minute detail needs to be added, especially since there isn't much substance to the rest of the article. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 13:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Maltese (dog)]] 

message: Hello my first Article and I have so far had some Help with members From Wiki.
In New Zealand there is a Breed of canine called the New Zealand Miniature Fox terrier.
It Has been in NZ for a very long period of time.
Where can I find people That can help me with this Project.
There is also a dog called the Miniature Fox Terrier In australia also called a Mini foxie.
This breed is totally differant to the NZ breed.
Their is currently a group in New Zealand support the NZ Miniature Fox Terrier and tring to trace history that as in photos etc.
Even Tho NZ knows the dog has been around for a long time no one has done proper history on the breed Untill the Group formed and decided to support this canine.
Any help would be great. The NZKC are also in support of this breed and feel the group needs to set up an offical society which they are now heading in that Direction regards NZMinifoxys 20:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Project Help needed

message: I wonder if anyone here would like to have a look at Talk:Sheep dog#Content of article?  I attempted to start a discussion there about turning the article (then a short intro and a list) into a dab, on the basis that "sheepdog" covers two very different types: herding dogs and livestock guardian dogs.  I think those other articles already cover all the sheepdog breeds more appropriately – effectively making Sheep dog a duplicate article as well as being one article about two different things.  I got no response to the proposal, so after a couple of months I implemented it – and the dab was then returned to an article by someone who'd not noticed the discussion (this change restored the intro but omitted the list of breeds).  There have been few contributions to the discussion since, and it would be good to have other opinions.  Richard New Forest (talk) 13:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sheep dog]]

message: Just wanted to add a note about the current Recommended article structure listed on the article page here. Specifically the part suggesting an article should have a miscellaneous section. This has come up quite a bit but certainly having such a section is going to be flagged up at GA and FA reviews as lists of miscellaneous details are really not meant to be in an article. I've seen more than one such section tagged with . Miyagawa (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommended article structure 

message: Okip   02:47, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced living people articles bot

message: I've noticed that some articles use male pronouns (he, his etc) when refering to both sexes of the breed. I relise that this is common practice among kennel clubs and the like, but is this correct form for Wikipedia?
:Absolutely not; it shouldn't use either "he" or "she"- in an article about pugs, for instance, it should say either "A pug may require..." or "It may require..."  The use of he and his is a colloquialism, but is not encyclopedic.  The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk) 22:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article style: pronouns 

message: I created a new article, which is in form largely a disambiguation page.  Please take a look and contribute.  7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Mountain dog]]

message: I'd like to propose revamping this task force. "Yays" and "Nays" are always welcome and if you would like to be a part of the revamping process, please say so! cReep (talk) 05:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Revamping"?The Dogfather (talk) 13:13, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Revamp... Restore, renovate, revise, etc... Basically, reconstruct the page. On WP:Dogs we have been talking about breed article structures. I'd like to collaborate with other editors who are interested in getting this task force up and running again. Then we can reach agreements on article structures and content... Because it's never good if one editor goes in and changes everything without the agreement of others! cReep (talk) 08:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Seems like a good idea -- not much activity around here. — anndelion (talk) 07:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamp 

message: I wonder whether any connoisseur in the English Springer Spaniel would be so kind as to take a glance here. Many thanks. --Jeanambr (talk) 20:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A real English Springer Spaniel? 

message: Would someone from this project please take a look at Georgian Shepherd Dog.  It's been heavily edited by a new user and doen't conform with Wikipedia's style and tone.--GrapedApe (talk) 13:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Georgian Shepherd Dog]] 

message: An anonymous user recently added a good deal of text to Polish Hound. The information is mostly cited to "Sarah's dog website" and "The Furry Critter Network". Unfortunately, no URL was provided for either web site. Perhaps someone here knows what the sites are and could add the necessary information? Alternately, maybe someone could cite the added information from other reliably published sources? I am not a dog aficionado myself; I just came across the article when it linked to a DAB page. Thanks, and happy editing. Cnilep (talk) 05:15, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sarah's Dogs is here and the furry critter network is here. Sarah's I don't think is reliable on its own. I can't speak to the other site. I'll take a look when i have some time later. --TKK bark ! 15:10, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Just had a quick look at Furry Critter Network and to be honest, I very much doubt if either of them could be classed as a WP:RS. SagaciousPhil - Chat 16:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention needed at Polish Hound 

message: How could I participate the project? I have worked for many years with dog articles in Finnish Wikipedia and also written many new breed articles there. More recently I have also uploaded several dog breed photos in Wikimedia Commons and worked a little with Unidentified Dogs category. My special interests are Asian/Oceanian primitive dogs and spitz dogs, but I have also written many articles of rare breeds generally, as well as of Italian, Spanish, and French dog breeds. My modifications in Finnish Wikipedia can be found here and some examples from my breed gallery here. --Canarian (talk) 19:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the third last image is actually an Italian Spinone. SagaciousPhil - Chat 15:45, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite so, it is a Spinone! Hafspajen (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Ok, I corrected the image caption in the Japanese Terrier article (the dog is female). The dog in the photo was actually a Grand Griffon Vendeen, not a Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen. It's pretty confusing though, since the names are almost the same. Griffon Vendeens are taller and have longer legs than Basset Griffons. In Wikimedia Commons, there are only few examples to show the proportions of the breed, but some examples of how the Grand Griffon looks like can be found for instance here: French website, Italian website and here's a group photo. So it is actually very different by both size and proportions than the Grand Basset Griffon and yes it can be said in a way they resemble more the Spinone than the Basset Griffon because they lack the Basset-like proportions. --Canarian (talk) 11:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm interested joining the project 

message: I was thinking I will probably receive a quicker answer here than in the talk page of an individual article, so here's my question. Do you think these sources can be considered reliable enough to be added to the source list of the Seskar Seal Dog article?
* "The Finnish Spitz is the Favorite Finnish Breed in Finland", published by Ilta-Sanomat - This is basically an article about internet voting organized by a Finnish newspaper, and it also mentions the Seskar Seal Dog among the breed options. Ilta-Sanomat is one of our biggest tabloids. However, there is no further information about the breed, it is only mentioned as one of the traditional Finnish dog breeds, so I am not sure if this source is worth of adding.
* "Finnish Canines" written by Pekka Hänninen in the website of the Finnish Museum of Natural History, children's section - The following text can be found in the section "Vanhat koirarodut" (Old dog breeds): "Useita rotuja, kuten seiskarinhyljekoira, on ehtinyt jo kadota, sillä niiden taitoja ei ole kehittyvässä maailmassa tarvittu." ("Many breeds, such as the Seskar Seal Dog, have already vanished because the tasks they used to perform have no longer been needed"). Although it gives a reference to reasons why the breed became extinct, I am not sure if the source itself can be considered trustworthy enough: Although the publisher is the Finnish Museum of Natural History together with the University of Helsinki, the page itself is from children's section and is also written "for kids", for instance it has very few sentences.
--Canarian (talk) 19:04, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seskar Seal Dog Sources 

message: Gun-dog training - not one citation. Hafspajen (talk) 23:18, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: This article needs attention.  

message: I was just wondering why this article has an overview box in addition to the general breed profile box:
*B&T Coonhound
Is the information in the current overview box meant to be later removed to the breed profile box? Or is it "planned" that the overview box should also be added to other breed articles? --Canarian (talk) 11:51, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is not planned. You may remove that. Pretty crappy layout and article. Hafspajen (talk) 19:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overview Box? 

message: There is a question raised about wich image should be used at Talk:Dalmatian (dog). Hafspajen (talk) 08:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Dalmatian (dog) ‎]]  

message: Brazilian Dogo does not seem to be listed in a few dog list places. Neither here on the talk page under B (though I suspect that list is very out of date) nor more importantly in the category :Category:Dog_breeds. It is listed in the list of dog breeds which is the list I am working through as I go through infoboxes. Not sure if I should be pointing things like this out or not but I certainly am noticing things as I go along. I have been changing what I can do easily and keeping track of others for later. But this one I think is an easy fix for someone who is active here. Jemmaca (talk) 01:42, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian Dogo 

message: About this edit. Please read Wikipedia: !: Personal essays that state your particular feelings about a topic (rather than the opinions of experts). Although Wikipedia is supposed to compile human knowledge, it is not a vehicle to make personal opinions become part of such knowledge. In the unusual situation where the opinions of an individual are important enough to discuss  Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not should give a clue. 
Hafspajen (talk) 11:43, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: * I'm sorry to have upset you. It is an alt tag to describe what is seen in that photo. Not a personal opinion about all bullmastiffs. But I presume you changed it to something you found more pleasing so hopefully all is well now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jemmaca (talk • contribs) 18:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest additions

message: American Bully was redirected to American Pit Bull Terrier in December 2012 following a discussion at AFD that concluded that there was no notability to the supposed breed. However, only 6 months later or so, the UKC recognized it as a separate formal breed, with a breed standard (found here. Based on that, I hope to resestqblish a separate article, but could use some assistance. At the very least, the permanent page protection on the article needs to be removed. oknazevad (talk) 14:33, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Bully redirect 

message: An editor who first came as an ip has been changing the definition of the Cur article but hasn't used any sources to back up the edits. They were warned several times and has been reverted by at least three editors and has now come back with an accoutn doing the same thing. I have urged them several times to disscus it on the talk page but they have refused to do so. Can someone help?★Trekker (talk) 16:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cur dispute 

message: Hello Miyagawa and White Arabian Filly. I had originally noticed that you were both active under the Dog Breeds Task Force before I commenced the current undertaking and recognize the massive task this group does in tagging and rating articles within its scope. It is clear that this taskforce is the "engine room" of the project. I have therefore "raised" the profile of the task force by deploying it from its own tab that is now visible from the main project page. The Scope of the taskforce could be further developed and any sub-taskforces that it believes necessary identified in accordance with WP:TASKFORCE. Given that it was an independent WikiProject until 2006, I would encourage it to develop its own Goals as well (unlike other Wikipedia task forces) as long as they are still in accord with the project's goals. I seek your ideas and comments on this, plus those from any other editor that has an interest, and am available to assist. Regards, William Harris • (talk) • 22:35, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In the interim, the taskforce went dormant and the whole wikiproject almost did. We've had a discussion at WT:DOGS and decided to merge the talk pages to centralize discussion. I'm not sure if this has any implications for the task force tab, or its existence (any discussion of that should be at WT:DOGS).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:52, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Tab 

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs#Breeds talk merge.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:05, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:52, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breeds talk merge