Talk:Last Tango in Paris

message: The music was by Oliver Nelson, and Gato Barbieri was the soloist and perhaps wrote the theme. It is not right to say Barbieri did the film music. 
I have been unable to find what the uncredited song is that plays after Marlon Brando's character fixes the record player; it would be nice to know.
Also, LTiP was based on a book, which is not mentioned in the article. Did (pen-name) Robert Alley do the novelization after the movie ? I think it was based on an earlier book.   203.173.200.146 02:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  author and music  

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Some of the text is identical to the trivia in the imdb-Page to the film. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070849/trivia  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.245.93.131 (talk) 00:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copied from imdb 

message: "After revisions were made to the MPAA ratings code, it was classified as an NC-17 in 1997. MGM released a censored R-rated cut in 1981."
The above makes no sense. How can it be rated in 1997, then released in 1981? That needs to be fixed. Or maybe I'm missing something. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 00:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that there may be a misunderstanding in this passage.  According to this, the film first received an X-rating, but due to controversy about its content, it was edited to have an R-rating to have national distribution with less issue.  I think that the sentences should be removed in their entirety and new ones written to be closer to what's in the link I presented. —Erik (talk • contrib) 03:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: Not to mention that the film is called "a 1973 Italian film", but it also says that "the film premiered in New York on October 14, 1972". Debresser (talk) 01:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The date of a film's premiere does not necessarily contribute to its universally acknowledged release year.  For example, a film may appear at a couple of film festivals in 2008 but only be released to the public in 2009.  In this case, though, it looks like the film was publicly released in Italy on December 15, 1972 then publicly released in the United States and the United Kingdom on January 27, 1973.  (This is based on IMDb; verifiability by citation should come from somewhere more reliable for all.) —Erik (talk • contrib) 03:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 2 

message: Could somebody rewrite the plot? It has shortcomings and mistakes.
# The present plot summary stresses the beginning and especially the end of the film, but leaves most of the film undescribed.
# How can Paul be interested in renting an appartment which he owns (inherited from his dead wife)?
# Jeanne wasn't engaged yet when she and Paul first met.
# It is likely true, that "this loss of anonymity disillusions Jeanne about the relationship", but it is not mentioned in the film.
# The second and third paragraph of the plot desciption talk about the same scene and should be merged into one paragraph. Debresser (talk) 02:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: FilmReference.com mentions books and articles that cover Last Tango in Paris.  Not listed there (probably because too new) is the book Last Tango in Paris published by the British Film Institute. —Erik (talk • contrib) 03:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resources to use 

message: It's very unclear as to what the quote is talking about. A rape scene in the movie? Some off-camera voyeurism that the director supported? Could this be clarified somehow? 168.103.245.247 (talk) 02:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the scene where he takes here from behind, with the butter. To me that was cristal-clear. Debresser (talk) 06:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with the original post. The butter scene isn't mentioned before the quote, but much further along in the article and under a separate section, making it completely unclear until someone has read the entire article. – Quoth (talk) 15:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  So by all means clarify it. Debresser (talk) 21:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raped? 

message: Isn't that implying that she didn't shoot him on purpose? Which is definitely not the impression I get from the film. Unless there are objections I'll change it to "she shoots him". RenniePet (talk) 11:32, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't altogether sure Jeanne intended to shoot Paul. But I found a source that says so clearly: this link. Debresser (talk) 17:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "gun goes off inexplicably"? 

message: :Plot could be understood differently. Paul did consider this relationship only as "anonymous sexual relationship" until he heard that Jeanne was pregnant. And then, the possibility to finally have a child suddenly changed his attitude. His all life could have had a new meaning and thus the relationship could become a meaningful. However, in the meantime Jeanne made her decision to get back to the "normal" life, to marry her fiancé and not to continue to be involved with the weird older man, with whom "anonymous sexual relationship" was exciting at the time, but became unacceptable when he wanted to have a "normal" relationship with her. When he showed aggressive need to connect his life with her, because of his child she was carrying, which could have gave him the meaning in life, she felt the urge to get rid of him, as she could not relate to his feelings and needs and sacrifice for him.
* This was originally posted, today, on the Plot section of the article.   – Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 08:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This was originally posted on the Plot section of the article 

message: Does anyone know if the original X-rated cut has been released at any time? Can this be added if it has. 97.124.86.177 (talk) 13:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Releases 

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message: This seems to be a notable recent revelation. Surely it should be adequately covered, not just briefly mentioned, in the article? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is mentioned at length in the post-production section. The word "rape" is metioned 13 times! I am utterly taken aback by your revert and claim that it is not mentioned in the article. Also, be ware of recentisms. Debresser (talk) 23:04, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: How exactly was the interview a "slightly altered version"? The way that passage is currently written is not wholly clear, in my view. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:15, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, perhaps you can work with the sources and make it a bit clearer. But no reason to create yet another section about this. Debresser (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm really not sure what "slightly altered version" means, or is meant to imply. Are you? I think it deserves a mention in the lead section. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two versions of the video which depicts Bertolucci's 2013 interview. One is uncut and has been available (in several places) since the interview was conducted, one was edited and uploaded in November 2016. The edited version is the one referred to in the Elle article, and cuts out the beginning of the interview and a short section of the middle of the interview where Bertolucci states that the scene was in the script.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 23:53, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

text:  The lead is already very clear that the film was controversial. Please keep in mind that this is an encyclopedia, not Playboy. Debresser (talk) 00:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: ? I have no idea what you mean by that.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 00:25, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Please calm down and don't try to WP:OWN. It just makes you look silly.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 00:32, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  This last post is a serious WP:CIVIL violation, since 1. I am calm. 2. Your implication that any resistance to what you want to do is me having WP:OWN issues is childish. 3. Not nice to call a person "silly" for disagreeing with you. It is now clear to me that you should take a break from this article for a few days, and you'll see things differently. Debresser (talk) 12:47, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  No need to call anyone childish! That's "not nice", lol. I'd like to thank Deoliveirafan for clarifying the changes to the video clip here. I think the article looks fairly well-balanced as it stands. I'm no longer sure that any mention is needed in the lead section. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with all four parts of the previous post. :) Debresser (talk) 13:25, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

text:  Debresser, come on now. Judging from both your demeanor and a quick glance at your editing history, you clearly have a tendency towards "serious WP:CIVIL violations". Would you care to explain what was meant by the reference to Playboy? I would interpret it as condescending and rude, perhaps directed at me or perhaps at the other editor. I am not the one trying to OWN any page, I reverted an edit once and described why in the edit summary. I listed two reasons for my revert, which were a direct response to the two reasons in your previous revert. One reason was that you claimed that the info was unsourced. I am very skeptical of you somehow being unaware of the fact that (most) content in the lead does not need to be cited so long as it reflects content in the body of the article. And yet you reverted the edit based partially on that reason. The second reason was that according to you "who cares about 'journalists'?" That was the reason you gave and as far as you went to elaborate what that even means. That is at best WP:IDONTLIKEIT and at worst a nonsensical tantrum. And so, based on the condescending remark and the baffling reasons behind your revert, I gave you a lecture and pointed out that such actions are "silly". And they are silly. And I think all of the facts speak for themselves here. And so now I will request: please stop being silly.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 17:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I meant that this is an encyclopedia, with the high standards appropriate for an encyclopedia. Not Playboy magazine, with the low standards they use. What did I mean? You may not like my "demeanor", but if that is what it takes to keep low standards from entering this project, then so be it. Insult me once more, and you will be reported. Debresser (talk) 17:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  What did I mean about what? You are not being clear.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 20:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah c'mon, Debresser, you gotta own up, capisce??. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, you changed "you" to "I", which makes even less sense. Um, I guess we're done here. Also for the record Martinevans123, I too amused by all this (the conversation here, not the situation about the film in the news). Wishing happy, rational editing to all.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

text: I was mistaken. Elle magazine did not originate the story, Yahoo news did on November 30.But the same YouTube video is cited. Will correct now.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 00:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-consensual rape scene 

message: Brando quote about 'feeling raped and manipulated' by director is not in source given. 
--IronMaidenRocks (talk) 00:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, it is. Second page, end of the second paragraph.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 01:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. Thanks. I note that context isn't given, and is actually a quote by Maria Schneider. I don't imagine it'd be possible to find where Brando actually said this? In the source, this seems like something Brando told Schneider in person. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 10:01, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Changed the quote to the one in the source, as IronMaidenRocks point out is something Schneider said. Also the source given for the 15 years period of him not talking to Bertolucci says nothing about it and the following source, again about the quote of being "violated" says nothing about it either. So I'm deleting those. Atu (talk) 20:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, the one about the 15 years period is in the source, but has a total different reason for no talking to him, gonna add that Atu (talk) 20:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify, Brando did make such statements in his autobiography, so I think Schneider was paraphrasing him. But the current source of the quote in the article is from Schneider.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 21:19, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Brando quote

message: The "Post-production" section currently has nothing to do with Post-production, which means editing, sound mixing, special effects and maybe advertisements/pre-release publicity. It seems that new sections with duplicate material of some of this section have previously been created and reverted. The vast majority of this section relates to the so called "butter scene". The rest of it (basically the first two paragraphs) could be included in the "Reception" section. I'll wait a bit to see if there are objections, but otherwise I will re-arrange the section, create a new sub-section titled "Controversial sex scene", and add an expansion needed banner in the current section.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 07:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed renaming section 

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message: Brando did not rape her.  She totally went along with it.  It was the entire point of their relationship.  If you don't understand this, you should stop watching movies. 2601:449:4300:980:50C4:AAEA:DA7D:DD63 (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Rape