Talk:James White (theologian)

message: It was news to me that Mr. White was a "critical consultant" to the NASB through the Lockman foundation. 
:"Others served as consultants who reviewed the translation committee's work and made recommendations for improvements. These consultants were chosen from all sections of the United States.
http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbprin.php
Their website certainly lists a "Dr. James White" in their list of "critical consultants to the NASB update" (along with three other "doctors") but do we know for sure that this is the same "James R. White" who runs Alpha & Omega Ministeries?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.21.24.130 (talk) 23:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is the same James R. White. "Critical Consultant, New American Standard Bible Update (1995)" --Ari (talk) 00:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Consultant to the NASB"? Same guy? 

message: Does he still teach at Golden Gate Theological Seminary? Their faculty page doesn't list any "James White" as of today (March 5, 2008).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.52.76.128 (talk) 15:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professorship 

message: What ever happened to the photo of White that used to be on the page? Eugeneacurry (talk) 21:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: Uh... right. The fact that he is the author of a dozen or so books, has a Masters from Fuller and ::has debated every major Roman Catholic apologist and recently Muslim apologists as well is not notable? Dr. White doesn't hide the fact that he got a degree from Columbia Seminary, but it seems that for some this is more an issue than the content of his work.  As to the larger question as to if Dr. James White's is 'notable', one need only look at the list of books availble. - M Burke, 12:51, 29 Sept 2006
:Uh... being a debator doesn't make one notable. That's great how to call him a "dr", but a list of books means nothing. Any figures on sales or academic support. You will be blocked if you keep removing it. Arbusto 02:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please. White easily passes the google test. He has written articles in a number of well-known Christian publications and written books published by respectable Christian publishing houses. Besides, he is respected enough to repeatedly be a debate partner for other people who are indisputably notable. If he's not notable, I'll give you a big list of other Christian authors who should also be deleted. --Flex 14:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please. James White is a common name and of course it'll have a high google count. Look at how James White's are on wikipedia. Arbusto 23:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Google for "James R. White" (in quotes) and nearly all of the links will be this guy. --Flex 11:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: James White has debated Barry Lynn, the President of Americans United for the Seperation of Church and State, John Dominic Crossan, arguably the most well known critic of the New Testament of this generation, and he is slated to debate John Shellby Spong, a man that was once one of the most notable Bishops in the Anglican Communion in the Western world.  Additionally, at least a few of White's books (The Roman Catholic Controversy, The Forgotten Trinity, and the King James Only Controversy)are widely read and have been acclamed by highly notable Biblical scholars.  Even if one feels that White's doctorate is bogus that still isn't enough to deny his notability. Eugeneacurry 17:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article is more convincing of notablity now. Arbusto 23:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: It seems that the material on Patty Bonds is a little out of place in this article.  What do others think? Eugeneacurry 17:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit, but on the other hand, her conversion was more public than most. I neutralized the info about her. See if you think it is less objectionable/more keepable now. --Flex (talk|contribs) 14:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  If the Bonds material was shown to have a substantive effect on White's ministry or beliefs that would be one thing.  But as it stands the Bonds material simply doesn't seem germane. Eugeneacurry 02:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patty Bonds 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Are the debates notable? Academics/KJM advocates debate all the time, but there is no need to list each one. We66er (talk) 22:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debates? 

message: Portals place. Article needs info box, picture and some cleanup. Enfermero (talk) 22:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Portals placed

message: The current text reads 
"He is an elder of the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church, has been married to his wife Kelli for more than twenty-six years, and has two children, Joshua and Summer."
The fact that he is an elder at his church has already been stated, and I might suggest that the rest of this sentence is appropriate for an About the Author section but not a Wikipedia article. Maybe this is a matter of personal preference, but I think if I were in his shoes I wouldn't want my children listed here.
Mikedelong (talk) 17:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: White makes reference to his family (complete with photos and names) on aomin.org.  I doubt that he would object to their names appearing here. Eugene (talk) 19:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children? 

message: Considered by many an anti-catholic, some attention has been given to the public conversion of White's sister Patty Patrick Bonds to the Roman Catholic Church and his decision to the subsequent estrangement from her.
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/s2.htm Patty Patrick Bonds 
http://www.aomin.org/Luke1251.html</i>
This edit along with the following sources keeps being entered. There's problems with the main source bringyou.to. It's self published and from a non notable source. Self-published is acceptable when produced by an established major published expert on the topic. None of this qualifies. Personal information such as this is required to be cited by the strongest possible source. The sources don't rise to the level of verifiability for a BLP, nor is this topic. Basileias (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Patty Bonds is as relevant to an article on White as Newt Gingrich's sister would be if she was not know independently in her own right. Namely, simply a smear tactic. Further, calling White an "anti-Catholic" is exactly on par with calling Patrick Madrid, Scott Hahn, or Robert Sungenis "anti-Protestants." Strangely, such appellations do not appear in the articles for those gentlemen. Fool4jesus (talk) 02:30, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  bringyou.to 

message: I don't see how a personal blog that doesn't even mention the subject's name in full is an acceptable source for a BLP article. diff It seems to be a response to Mr. White from his sister I assume? So it's a primary source as well. Can Farsight001 please tell me why this is an exception for type of sources required by BLP policy? Ultra Venia (talk) 01:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an acceptable source for what the person running the blog (which, correct me if I'm wrong, is his sister) believes.  In other words we can use this to report "his sister says he has shunned her", but we can't use it to say "he has shunned her".Farsight001 (talk) 03:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't even state his name, and it's also primary. I'm just not comfortable with this, even as her interpretation of his actions. Were he to have his own blog Alpha & Omega mention it in a post, or in a second party publication of some sort (which is what we are supposed to use to source a BLP)  it would be acceptable. Her feelings on a matter of sibling issues aren't relevant unless he mentions them, and then we have his words, or for some reason  Otherwise, any disaffected relative with an angry blog would be considered RS: "Jennifer Famousperson's cousin thinks she's getting too snobby since she got famous." (source:cousin's blog). This is not acceptable. If it's that notable of a situation, it will be reflected in second-party sources. You need one. Ultra Venia (talk) 05:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

text: From WP:SPS: Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer. Without a better source, it needs to go. Ultra Venia (talk) 05:49, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal blog source  

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replies: text: BiologicalMe (talk) 18:18, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Add "American Baptists" and "Baptist theologians" to the categories. He is a staunch Baptist, after all. 2001:18E8:2:28B8:80F7:2334:491B:3FA0 (talk) 22:49, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Y Partly done I can't see anywhere that he is a baptist. Ill add the "American Baptists" category but you'll need a reliable source to prove that he is baptist so I can add the second category.  L293D (☎ • ✎) 11:56, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2018 

message: James White has authored many books https://www.aomin.org/aoblog/about/, so we should remove the dubious tag from this statement in the intro. RaY (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authorship 

message: Hey folks. I've seen on two sites now, https://www.columbiaseminary.edu/james-r-white-dminthd-faculty-mentor.html and aomin.org that White is a professor, the former stating him being an adjunct professor for Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary. It's weird though because I can't find any faculty page for Golden Gate with him listed so I didn't want to list it in his article page. Is anyone else able to find a good source? Thanks -- DanielkHartness (talk) 01:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professorship 

message: Add a sentence under the following section: Early life and education
James White has claimed that he completed all the requirements for a Bachelor of Science degree. However, also note that it appears that he was not awarded the degree.
Reference:12:47 of following YouTube video:
Darwinism: Modern Man's Great Excuse from GraceAgenda 2021. Channel: Canon Press. Published October 24 2021 Rmozd (talk) 11:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Youtube videos are not reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2021 

message: add the book:: In the Beginning 2, Trafford Publishing, August 5, 2016, ISBN 9781490775692 https://www.scribd.com/book/523976532/In-the-Beginning-2 ManchJedi (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: I've removed the whole section, as there was no secondary sourcing showing any of these works were noteworthy. Wikipedia is not a list of published works. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2022 

message: Please keep in mind that self published books are not RS, and we need some significant coverage. Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism: A History of Conflict Between Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism from the Early Church to Our Modern Time is published by WestBow, a self publishing outfit. WHY PROTESTANT BIBLES ARE SMALLER: A Defense of the Protestant Old Testament Canon is another independently published book from a self publishing outfit. The Critique of Religion and Religion’s Critique: On Dialectical Religiology has a single sentence mention. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a blog, Joseph Smith's Tritheism: The Prophet's Theology in Historical Context, Critiqued from a Nicene Perspective contains two sentences, How Wide the Divide?: A Mormon & an Evangelical in Conversation contains a single mention, and this is not independent or reliable, as they're just an organization hosting a conference with him. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

text: This is a blog. Most of these sources should never be used in a BLP. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

text: This is another self published source. , please see WP:BLPSPS.  ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Babylon Bee is basically The Onion so that's a no-go. Christianpost I'm not terribly sure of, but that article isn't really WP:SIGCOV, but it's probably the best source in the article right now. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:17, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Doesn't look particularly independent, when it's reporting on a story of members trying and failing to have a debate. It's probably factually accurate, but wouldn't contribute to notability in my opinion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:26, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Just to be clear, I'm not the arbiter of good sources, but many of the recent additions are bad on their face. I looked for a fair amount of time before bringing this article to AfD, and    was unable to find WP:SIGCOV in independent RS. If that coverage exists, I hope it's found, but what you've found so far doesn't, in my eyes, reach that bar. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:43, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent additions 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_White_%28theologian%29&type=revision&diff=1098128867&oldid=1098128390  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmozd (talk • contribs) 11:23, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr Whites B.Sc claims removed "pointless and we'd need a secondary source" - Why?