Talk:Ghostbusters II

message: did you read the link I provided? The hatnote should appear precisely because they are disambiguated:  – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:09, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The example used is for two unrelated articles with the same name. The games are subsets of this article, meaning you can't end up anywhere else by searching Ghostbusters II, all the game articles get around 40 views a day compared to 900+ here so people aren't getting to the wrong place, and those articles are linked in this one, so they're already present in the article if the reader is after them, unlike Dunwich and Dunwich (Lovecraft). Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 11:30, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hatnote 

message: I realise some guy(s) put effort into “thematic analysis” section and I’m sorry but there really is no call for it. The pseudo father bit is ok. But the other stuff is taking the film way too seriously. You ought to consider deletion. Timmytimtimmy (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thematic analysis 

message: The wording here is a bit, well, bad, and my changes keep being reverted:
"The film failed to replicate the cultural impact and following of Ghostbusters. Although some retrospective audiences praised it, GhostbustersII is generally seen as a poor follow-up to Ghostbusters and responsible for stalling the franchise for decades. The film spawned a series of merchandise including video games, board games, comic books, music, toys, and haunted houses. Despite the relative failure of Ghostbusters II, a second sequel was pursued through to the early 2010s. A financially unsuccessful 2016 series reboot led to renewed efforts on a sequel, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, which is scheduled for release in 2021."
What I wrote: "Despite failing to replicate the cultural impact and following of Ghostbusters, the film spawned a series of merchandise including video games, board games, comic books, music, toys, and haunted houses. A second sequel was pursued through to the early 2010s. A financially unsuccessful 2016 series reboot led to renewed efforts on a sequel, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, which is scheduled for release in 2021."
Mine is cleaner and less ambiguous. Who are the "some retrospective audiences"? What's the *cultural impact* of the original "Ghostbusters" that the second failed to replicate?
*It is not biased to state the clearly sourced fact that Ghostbusters II was a creative disaster that stalled the franchise.  What is biased is trying to hide that clearly sourced fact; I suppose because you enjoyed it.  That's totally fine, people have different tastes, but we follow the sources on general reception and impact. Indrian (talk) 17:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased wording 

message: With the release of Ghostbusters: Afterlife, is this movie still canon, or does the new movie disregard this? If the latter is the case, I think the introduction should make a note of this. Josh (talk) 03:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it's canon? What a weird question. Better to Google the answer than ask randos on Wikipedia Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 09:10, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Canon?

message: Per recent edits, I'm not sure if you () are conflating "toys" with "action figures", but they're not the same thing, action figures may be toys but not all toys are action figures. And a contemporary NYTimes source, a well-respected newspaper, is better than a modern film website. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 09:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm referring to all toys and action figures. The statement in the NY Times article is simply poorly written and misleading. The Ghostbusters toys didn't sell until Real Ghostbusters came out because they weren't any being made. Please show me evidence of one Ghostbusters toy existing before 1986. There is also a documentary on the GB Blu-rays where Ivan Reitman himself says they did not release toys for the first movie. JediJones77 (talk) 08:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The YouTube source you added says they didn't release toys with the film, which no duh, there is no text saying merchandise was released alongside the film but there are two years between the release of the film and the cartoon and they put the logo on all kinds of MERCHANDISE. "And (arguably) even more influentially, Ghostbusters refined the art of cultivating its public profile aggressively after the public anointed it a full-fledged hit. Yes, Star Wars already demonstrated there was gold in them there toystore hills, but Reitman & co.’s hit proved the concept of turning your movie into its own brand-name entity was not a one-off fluke if you had the right ingredients — or even better, an iconic logo you could slap onto everything from breakfast cereals to bedspreads. T-shirts and action figures were a given; the themed Vegas slot machine, less so." Rolling Stone. "But there was a huge boom after 'Star Wars,' reaching a crescendo with 'E. T.' in 1982, said Thomas Pollock, the chairman of MCA's Universal Motion Picture Group. Then it came to a screeching halt. With 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom,' 'Gremlins' and 'Ghostbusters,' the summer of 1984 was the biggest in movie history, but the merchandising was a bust." MCA Chairman Thomas Pollock. It also had a video game released alongside it. Oh and what's this, More Ghostbusters merchandise including Stay Puft toys. Don't change the text again without seeking a third opinion. EDIT: And action figures are toys, not all toys are action figures.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 11:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Merchandise