Wikipedia talk:Argentina-related regional notice board/Placebox

message: :(example moved below, updated)
The -ar subtemplates are specific for Argentina; for example,  works on top of  by filling in the country-specific attributes. However,  does not have a matching, general purpose ; each country has different types and levels of administrative divisions and it's too difficult to generalize. There's a  specifically made for Buenos Aires (the "province" attribute is of course filled in with Buenos Aires, and instead of "department" it says "partido"). Tobias Conradi proposes that we split it further, but I'm afraid we'll end up making it too general. On the other hand, since a template becomes useless or at the very least untidy when a datum is missing, splitting everything up might not be so bad. I'm wondering whether we can get data on population density for all cities (in many cases it will be difficult to find the area!). The  is a preliminar version; maybe we could have ...
My original idea was to make an infobox for Argentine cities. Generalizing up to some point is easy; more would compromise the ease of use. Each country should "subclass" from a few general templates, but it's not very handy to have a whole hierarchy of (abstract) meta-templates. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 22:32, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Status (as of 22:32, 25 September 2005 (UTC))

message: *instead of city use place, to allow use for towns, villages, parts of towns, mines,... [biology=taxobox -> geography=placebox?)
*split the province,department etc stuff. then it can also used by other countries, and there is no problem with BsAsProvince which has no departments
**placebox-province
**placebox-department
**placebox-municipality
*variabls
**taxonomy uses same variable name for diff hierarchy levels:





**placebox-province|name=....
Tobias Conradi (Talk) 17:12, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: more general placebox

message: This is a proposal for the format of the Situation maps for Cities and places in Argentina.
The original map is not very good (it lacks of rivers and geographical accidents), but we don't have any better one. Send me an e-mail if you want me to send you the PSD or XCF project. Mariano(t/c) 12:08, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it does help locate the city, doesn't it? I personally think it's fine, compact and to the point. I'll take care of the template(s). I'm not really thrilled by the profusion of templates we need, BTW... --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 12:38, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: i would not care too much about maps. hopefully the wikimap project will make progress and maps can be server generated. But well, this may take some time. :-) Tobias Conradi (Talk) 21:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see in Rosario, adding a map is simple (it doesn't even need tags). We don't need to have maps for each and every city right now, anyway. One of the nagging problems is the fact that the "coordinate" templates cannot be included in the value of a parameter of another template. That means we'll have to duplicate the three coordinate templates (, , ). I think I'll do that now... --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 21:51, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Situation map 

message: If we're going to change the names, I suggest we do it now. I've used the box in a couple of places already. In truth, not all subtemplates should be changed; for example, city-poli-ar has province and department, which of course applies only to cities/towns, and city-authority has mayor and political party. But the area, density, population, demonym, coordinates, an possibly phone code and (still not included) postal code, can be applied to places other than municipalities. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 10:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: dept and province also applies to villages, gold mines etc. I suggest something like placebox-province and placebox-department. there are maybe 20 subdivision terms that can be used all over the world. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 14:25, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, you can start renaming the aproppiate templates. Tell me if you need to delete any. It would be good to promote the set of templates so people know they exist, say in Template talk:Infobox City. Mariano(t/c) 11:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Take a look at the placebox at work: Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Placebox-begin. The city-specific parts I left unchanged, the rest were renamed. Mariano, what you should delete is , which is redundant and useless now. You can also delete the moved subtemplates (city-people, city-density, city-area, city-start, city-end, I think). As for advertising, maybe Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities would be better, but the Infobox talk page might be used to advertise this one as an alternative... --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:06, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Place, location, placebox

message: I think I got it right. Please, check Rosario, and tell me what you think.
It might be good to created template  or  with the content:  |-  |colspan="2" align="center"| center|200px. Hope you all like it. Mariano(t/c) 10:49, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Something's not right. The header and the rest should be in separate sections; I'll fix it (following the species Taxobox model, it should be easy). In keeping with said model, I'll also rename "-start" to "-begin". --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 11:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Done, please check. What now? --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 11:33, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table formated 

message: ....the above template makes extensive use of if statements. I did not know this is possible in templates. -> That means we could better create an integrated placebox. If it has not several partial templates we could also use a longer name, e.g. "Infobox place" to be more in line with other Infoboxes. If the above problems with non-filled variables can be handled with if/else statements, we don't need a splitted template? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Language]]