Talk:Eldiguzids

message: I also added the history of greater Iran template.Hajji Piruz 16:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the History of Iran? Where did this discussion take place? The History of Iran template is relevant at least.Hajji Piruz 23:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The History of Azerbaijan template is still more specific than a History of Iran template, which was incomplete last time I looked. That does not mean that the article is not relevant to the history of Iran, it just means that it is not primarily relevant to the history of Iran. Links within the article show this where appropriate.  The template issues are entirely different.  --Bejnar 00:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is relevant to the history of Iran. The very name Atabegs of Azerbaijan comes from the name of the Iranian region of Azerbaijan. How could it not be relevant when the very name of the dynasty is Iranian.Hajji Piruz 16:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion continued at User talk:Hajji Piruz#Atabegs of Azerbaijan. --Bejnar 17:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Relevancy as well as credibility needs to be verified. Azerbaijan as state emerged in 1918.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.91.103 (talk) 04:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History Template

message: The name "Atabegs of Azerbaijan" only appears in sources based on the official history told by the Republic of Azerbaijan. Any other source, which is ultimately less biased, makes no reference to a so-called Atabegs of Azerbaijan. The Encyclopædia Iranica doesn't even have an article about it. The state was called "Atabegs of Ildegüzid" or "Atabegs of Ildenizids".
A full debate on this subject must begin in order to ensure the legitimacy and objectivity of this article.65.94.14.31 (talk) 22:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also used in Persian sources , as I add the Persian link, and the problem is not with the name . About the dominance of Republic point of view , the problem is that the post soviet historians of the republic are not familiar with ancient sources (Iranian sources in Persian language ) and they think that Atabegs were independent . Indeed many Atabags were around Iran as the Atabegs of Lorestan , Atabakan Fars and etc ( See Atabakan,Encyclopædia Iranica ) , and they were only local military chiefs and Saljuq officers and never independent . Plus their territory was not only Azerbaijan region . The Republic view problem can be solved by more contribution of other editors that are familiar with original , historical sources .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of the article must be changed

message: Sample map  (Cambridge History of Iran, Volume 5  pg 188 (note this could have been a period where the Georgians overan Ganja and the map is only an approximate).  According to Iranica: "Amīr-e Amīrān challenged Abū Bakr again with help from the Šervānšāh and the Georgian Queen Tamar, and defeated him near Ganǰa, although Abū Bakr was able to escape back to Naḵǰavān with his life, after seeing his army destroyed. ".  I don't plan to use this map, as it might have just been an incidence were Georgians captured Arran.  However, the Sharwan part and the Ahmadili part, as well as the extension of Ildegizids till moder Ray (Tehran) has value.  It definitely shows the Sharvanshahs close to their height for this period.  I hope someone can find an WP:RS map of the extent of the empire.  The map is not one of the Eldiguzids at their peak.  --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 15:18, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: map

message: Atabegs controlled some regions  of north-western and upper-central modern Iran, most of the regions of modern Azerbaijan and smaller portions in modern Armenia, Turkey and Iraq. then why can't we include the temple of Iranian history ?--Alborz Fallah (talk) 15:40, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting the template "History of Greater Iran" 

message: I can't understand, why "Ildeniz map.png" is wrong map? It's most accurate map of Eldiguzids,can somebody answer me please? AfsharidDynasty95 (talk) 12:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:RS and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What about "Eldiguzids-1175.png" ? I think it's true than "Ildeniz map.png" AfsharidDynasty95 (talk) 16:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please click and read the two links I posted, then you will understand. And this one too WP:CITE. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:23, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  About map