Talk:Gerry Hutch

message: A rewrite is needed to remove POV, opinions, and a subjective tone.   Paul Klenk 18:55, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: See WMF - This page is, for vertain search terms, removed from the google search results in Europe ...Sicherlich  Post  10:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: ... and this fact is getting noted in news coverage now - David Gerard (talk) 12:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

text: Agreed, still showing up on google.co.uk for me. Also, Streisand effect looks relevant here. Wonder how many people had heard of Gerry Hutch before this happened?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:37, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Pages are not actually removed from Google's index, only from particular results pages.  Of the people mentioned by name in this article, the only one who triggers Google's censorship warning is Felix McKenna.2.103.236.122 (talk) 20:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The information about Felix McKenna is correct  and it throws a whole new light on this affair. It would be ironic if the removal was nothing to do with Hutch himself, but a former Garda mentioned in the article. People have been warned against assuming that it was the subject of the article who made the "right to be forgotten" request. In the light of this, Felix McKenna's name could be removed from the article on WP:BLPNAME grounds. It would, however, have been much easier for him to request this through the normal channels.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't particularly object to removal of the name, given that it doesn't really matter to our readers whether he is called Felix McKenna or Archibald Hammerthrower. But, as a matter of principle, I don't think a public statement by a senior police officer falls under BLPNAME. It's just regular attribution, and it was part of his job to be quotable. Formerip (talk) 21:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is an article about McKenna. He was the former chief of the Criminal Assets Bureau until 2006, and in 2013 he joined a private security firm. None of this is super secret, so it is a mystery why his name is producing a block in Google Search.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 22:14, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to note that the complainant may well not be McKenna in any case. It seems that the notice on Google search results comes up for just about every other name you type in (my hypothesis is that it generates the notice whenever it recognises that the search string is the name of a non-public figure living in Europe). Formerip (talk) 10:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but see User_talk:Wnt#Right_to_remember. The mystery remains: Why, with over 4 million English language Wikipedia articles to choose from, has this one led to a block in Google Search?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:07, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like you discovered it: Global Risk Solutions. It would make sense Google would honor requests from organizations involved in anti-terrorism and security type stuff. -- GreenC 14:41, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal from Google Search 

message: This article is currently being considered for deletion.
The only complaint I see is, "This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources."
At the current time the only citation needed in the article is this one:
:The episode which aired March 2008 was solely devoted to the assets and finances seized by the CAB of both Hutch and his suspected criminal and family associates.[citation needed]
Lots of Wikipedia articles have single "citation needed" annotations and many have several.
So why is this article being considered for deletion?
50.71.210.133 (talk) 04:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the template saying "This biographical article needs additional citations for verification", because as you point out, there is now only one "citation needed" in the article. Former versions of the article were poorly sourced, but thanks to the media coverage, experienced eyes have looked over the article and filled in the sourcing. The reference to Dirty Money: The Story of the Criminal Assets Bureau is probably correct, but the two links in the article about it are now dead. Time for a look on the Wayback Machine. This page with the DVD of the series is the only one that I can find at the moment.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 04:34, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Since when did a single "citation needed" cause an article to be considered for deletion? 

message: Gary Hutch, who is a nephew of Gerry Hutch, has been shot dead.. Looks like reports of Gerry's death are an exaggeration.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:26, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Re this edit: reports of Gerry Hutch's death are still an exaggeration. This time, it was Eddie Hutch who was killed in an apparent gangland feud. Eddie Hutch is Gerry Hutch's brother.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  September 2015 shooting 

message: Though born in 1963, the article states that Hutch 'received many convictions between 1970 and 1983 intermittently spending time in prison.'
That'd mean he started receiving conviction and/or entering prison when he was 7 ? Are we serious here ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericvb (talk • contribs) 21:53, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact what the source says. He received his first conviction at age 8. Not particularly hard to believe. -- GreenC 22:36, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Check dates 

message: Re this edit: the film Bugsy Malone was not released until 1976, so Hutch cannot have joined the "Bugsy Malone Gang" in 1973. It is cited here and one possibility is that the name of the gang was coined later on by the media. Rather than inserting snarky comments into the article, it would be better to do some more research into this.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree need more sourcing to clarify. The source doesn't actually say he joined the gang in 1973, though it's somewhat implied, the dates don't make sense. Seems fair to say his life of crime started at age 10 and he joined the gang sometime in the 70s.  -- GreenC 13:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bugsy Malone Gang 

message: User:GreenC, your recent reversion is in violation of MOS:NICKNAME. This MOS states "Consider as a "common" hypocorism one that shortens in a conventionalized way, sometimes also with a diminutive suffix added, and which is derived from a name frequently used in English-speaking countries". Gerard is a commonly used name in Ireland, an English-speaking country, and Gerry is a direct hypocorism like this, so to add the nickname as you did is against the MOS. This is why Gerry Adams, Gerry Ryan and various other Gerries do not have this nickname included. I urge you to self-revert. — ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 19:56, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright it seems to be common enough convention on Wikipedia to do it that way. -- GreenC 16:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit