Talk:Overtime (sports)

message: Perhaps it is time to spin this section off to its own article? It has grown quite large. Cheers --Daveb 03:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Too large?  It doesn't even have time to mention the Canadian rule.  Probably an oversight.WHPratt (talk) 15:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's better now.WHPratt (talk) 16:28, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

text: After the completion of the second overtime, play would commence after a "halftime" break. Therefore, the team with the 2nd half option will decide if they want to kick (unlikely), defend an endzone (just as unlikely), or receive the ball. AllPurposeGamer (talk) 21:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: American and Canadian football

message: I'm rather surprised to see it wasn't discussed here first, since it seems to be inconsistent with Wikipedia guidelines regarding different country's versions of English. 24.18.215.132 01:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: BE->AE page move

message: A short list of the longest overtime games of each sport should be included in this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.105.21.234 (talk) 19:22, August 24, 2007 (UTC) 
The longest NFL and Pro football games are listed as under 2 hours...?  Is this simply actual playing time? i.e. 4x15 min regulation and 2x15 min overtime for a 90 min game?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.144.93 (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, isn't that obvious? I put a note. 128.227.7.105 21:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Longest Overtime Games

message: in highschool basketball play, the Overtime period is in fact 5 minutes, not 4 like the current article suggests  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngoogs (talk • contribs) 15:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: basketball

message: I've noticed over the past couple of years a tendency for commentators and journalists to use "overtime" to refer to stoppage time added at the end of a half, not got any concrete references atm, but might it be worth including when I can find one? 82.13.190.199 (talk) 09:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Association Football

message: I hate going senile, but this memory has to be right becasue of the number times I've been called wrong.  When I was young, some time in the late 1960s, I woke up to hear on the radio that the Lakers had played eight overtimes the night before.  The headline in the Los Angeles Times sports section report that the game went to seven overtimes, but did not give a final score.  This is because the Times was put to bed after the sixth overtime.  That night on the TV news they talked about the eight overtime game.
Since then, I have heard many times about the seven overtime game.  I believe that this comes from misunderstanding the Times headline.  But even if I am wrong, I have heard many many times of the seven overtime game, and that beats the six overtime game noted on this page.  I have Googled and Alta Visted and Yahooed and I haven't found any reference to this game.  I hope some basketball historian can set the record straight.    Randall Bart    Talk   21:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NBA Lakers seven or eight overtimes 

message: I didn't make the proposal, but I'm adding the relevant section here and adding my support to the proposal.  The fact that BrE and AmE have different names for the same thing does not mean we need different articles, since each is a survey article.  If any one sport has a section long enough, that can be refactored out to its own, and obviously the name there will be appropriate for the primary locale: e.g.overtime (American football) and/or extra time (association football) — maybe even overtime (football) and/or extra time (football) respectively, though I would advise against that if and when the time comes. jnestorius(talk) 22:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment if this gets support, I'd point out that (a) Extra time was created on 7 March 2004, while Overtime (sports) wasn't created until 3 May 2004. I've seen occasional instances where the BrE term is created first, but in subsequent merge discussions this is overlooked and the default term becomes the AmE version, in conflict with WP:ENGVAR. Also, in BrE, "overtime" is a commonly used phrase in the workplace, so I think moving everything to extra time makes more sense. --DeLarge (talk) 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Comment to me i think that extra time should just be deleted, everything is basically the same  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.36.216 (talk) 04:50, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Comment I am leaning to "extra time" for the merge target based on DeLarge's mentioning of work and ENGVAR. The (sports) disambiguates it fine while simply "extra time" might be vague as an article title though. I do agree that one of the articles should be left as a redirect.Cptnono (talk) 21:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Support, and I support using the 'overtime' name for Alzarian's same reason.  Additionally, the reasoning that 'in BrE, "overtime" is a commonly used phrase in the workplace' is not very meaningful, as "overtime" has the same meaning in that context in the US.  Isaac (talk) 17:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal  

message: The NHL has (or had) a strange rule which said that if a team pulled their goalie and gave up a losing goal in regular season overtime, they lost their point for the "regulation tie"/"overtime loss."  What was the thinking behind that? WHPratt (talk) 02:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NHL overtime 

message: ?andycjp (talk) 01:25, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Shortest overtime?

message: It says 
"In March 2010, the NFL amended its rules for postseason overtime after a vote by the team owners. If the team that wins the coin toss scores a touchdown on their first possession, they are declared the winner."
I'm not sure that's technically correct. The rule doesn't necessarily apply to the coin toss winner, but rather to the team that receives the kickoff.  Doesn't the coin toss winner get the option of kicking or receiving? (Yes, I know that they're not likely to choose to kick.) WHPratt (talk) 14:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Coaches tend to get fired if they choose to kick the ball first in overtime, but yes, you are correct.  Go ahead and fix that sentence.  --Jayron32 14:39, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Bill Belicheck didn't get fired. 2604:6000:D500:3D00:850B:2520:5209:5D24 (talk) 07:45, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need more precise wording? 

message: Why do Americans use "Overtime" instead of "Extra time"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.55 (talk) 20:18, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming this is a genuine question, not a snide comment, I would imagine it comes from “overtime” in a workplace context. If a worker works beyond the end of his scheduled shift, he is said to work overtime, so by parallel construction, teams having to play beyond the end of regulation time are playing overtime. Wschart (talk) 15:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Overtime" vs. "Extra time"  

message: What North American sport has EVER used the abbreviation IOT to mean "in overtime"? Sure, the announcers say the game is in overtime, in the same way they would say the game is IN the 4th quarter. But just as they never abbreviated it I4 in In 4th, they never abbreviate it IOT.
2604:6000:D500:3D00:850B:2520:5209:5D24 (talk) 07:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  IOT? 

message: injury time redirects to this article - which contains not a word about it!?? Would someone who knows about such things please repair? [Context: the lawsuit involving Chelsea FC and the team doctor. If a player needed medical attention, why didn't the game stop? Soccer does have injury time, doesn't it?]. --88.97.11.54 (talk) 15:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Injury time? 

message: Source: https://operations.nfl.com/media/4693/2020-nfl-rulebook.pdf
According to Rule 16, Section 1, Article 3 (a) ...
:(a)	Both teams must have the opportunity to possess the ball once during the extra period, unless the team that receives the opening kickoff scores a touchdown on its initial possession, in which case it is the winner, or if the team kicking off to start the overtime period scores a safety on the receiving team’s initial possession, in which case the team that kicked off is the winner. If a touchdown is scored, the game is over, and the Try is not attempted.
Note the use of "both" and "must."
However, according to Rule 16, Section 1, Article 4 (a)
:(a)	There shall be a maximum of one 10-minute period, even if the second team has not had an opportunity to possess the ball or if its initial possession has not ended. If the score is tied at the end of the period, the game shall result in a tie.
This text would seem to say that the 10-minute limit overrides the above "must." I.e., the period is not to be extended just to allow the second team a possession.
So, what happens if Team A receives the overtime opening kickoff, takes more than nine minutes of playing time to move down the field, burns up the remaining clock and kicks a field goal as time expires? Here, it would seem that a field goal on the first possession is enough. Or could they declare the game a tie for failure to uphold the 3(a) clause?  A tie with one team having legally scored three more points than the other would look most peculiar in the record book.
Granted, a ten-minute drive would be unlikely. It would probably require eight or nine first downs, each of barely ten yards with no incomplete passes or out-of-bounds plays, though some offensive penalties and other lost yardage mixed in could help matters, (though Team B has a couple of timeouts to help their chances). The 4(a) clause does seem to acknowledge that one drive could eat up all of the allowed overtime.
I'm guessing that 4(a) overrides 3(a), but you'd think that the rulebook would clarify the point explicitly. WHPratt (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  NFL OT Ambiguity? 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :120mins and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 1#120mins until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  TartarTorte 21:21, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "120mins" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. The consensus is that the use of American English has been established in this article, which meant that WP:RETAIN overrides any potential reason to move to the proposed new title. feminist🩸 (talk) 00:46, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Overtime (sports) →  – Per WP:NCDAB . Also, extra time is the preferred term in association football, the world's most popular sport. YorkshireExpat (talk) 21:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 9 February 2024 

message: The last two paragraphs of the section on NFL overtime are rather unprofessionally written. Please remove or adjust such subjective and casual language as “Patrick Mahomes worked his magic,” “Fans were happy… but felt bummed out,” and “what they should’ve done.” Spark2212 (talk) 07:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprofessional writing style in NFL overtime section