Talk:ABC No Rio

message: Hi, I edited the page, since it falsely stated that the Puerto Rican community "influxed" commensurate to the squatters and artists. Such a proposition is too convenient; it gives the false impression of "equal footing": that gentrification did not occur by making it seem that the three demographics as they were listed in the article (Puerto Ricans, squatters and artists) came together simultaneously. This is categorically untrue. The Puerto Rican community preceded both the squatters and the artists by at least 2 decades, possibly at least to the 1950's when US domestic policy "Operation Bootstraps" was implemented in Puerto Rico. In fact, both the community of squatters and the artists (the categories are indiscrete; they were even more so in the time period when ABC No Rio emerged) benefitted from the emerging gentrification, albeit undone by that selfsame vehicle later on when much of the Lower East Side "vanished" into the East Village. It also erroneously described Puerto Ricans as "immigrants." They are legal US citizens, so they cannot possibly be "immigrants." 
- Dennis sinneD 
dennis.farr@gmail.com
24.161.8.222 05:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gentrification, ABC No Rio, Puerto Ricans 

message: Where did you get that info? Their website says otherwise.
Elhim 19:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Food Not Bombs chapter no longer active? 

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message: This article could use some clean up. The biggest discrepancy is that it starts off in the past tense and then switches to the present, confusing readers as to whether or not activities at ABC are current or defunct. Organizing sections into decades might help fix this.  Morganfitzp (talk) 12:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, go ahead. You can use my German article as a blueprint. Kind regards, Grueslayer 13:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
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message: ===Comedy===
ABC No Rio hosts a monthly variety show featuring stand-up, storytelling, improvisation, and sketch comedy.  Don't You Find Us Charming? is hosted by the comedy team CHESTER. Details and showtimes are on the site's calendar each month.
===Darkroom Collective===
The Darkroom Collective runs a public darkroom on the third floor of ABC No Rio that is open 3 days a week.
===Computer lab===
The Computer Center on the fourth floor of ABC No Rio seeks to close the digital divide by providing a public computer lab to the underserved Lower East Side. The computer lab is made up only of donated computers, and runs almost exclusively free or open source software.
===Silkscreening Collective===
The Silkscreening Collective runs a public screen-printing studio, also located on the fourth floor.
===Books Through Bars===
The Books Through Bars Collective sends free donated books to persons incarcerated in U.S. prisons. BTB used to meet regularly at No Rio, but in anticipation of the building being closed for renovation have relocated their efforts temporarily. Information on the project can still be obtained at ABC No Rio. (see also: Books to Prisoners)
===COMA===
The Citizens Ontological Music Agenda is a project that hosts experimental music, poetry, and other forms of performance on Sunday Evenings.
===Visual Arts Collective===
The Visual Arts Collective co-ordinates shows and exhibitions in the main gallery, as well as the bi-annual building-wide Ides of March group exhibit.
The purpose that drives this collective is to maintain a free and spontaneous environment for displaying art, as well as providing a venue for art which may be excluded from the mainstream due to its radical political content.  
The visual arts committee has included Amy Westpfahl, Victoria Law, Steven Englander, Mike Estabrook, Vandana Jain, Julie Hair, Alan W. Moore, Jason Lujan, Brian George, Kelly Savage, Michael Cataldi, Joyce Manalo, and many others.
- text taken from article Mujinga (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  unreferenced projects moved to talk 

message: The Visual Arts Collective co-ordinates shows and exhibitions in the main gallery, as well as the bi-annual building-wide Ides of March group exhibit.
The purpose that drives this collective is to maintain a free and spontaneous environment for displaying art, as well as providing a venue for art which may be excluded from the mainstream due to its radical political content.  
The visual arts committee has included Amy Westpfahl, Victoria Law, Steven Englander, Mike Estabrook, Vandana Jain, Julie Hair, Alan W. Moore, Jason Lujan, Brian George, Kelly Savage, Michael Cataldi, Joyce Manalo, and many others.
- text taken from article Mujinga (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Visual Arts Collective

message: , I don't find these groups are relevant to the article. I would appreciate if you'd explain why you thought they're relevant. Graywalls (talk) 21:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: They are squats, left wing info shops, and other collectively managed alternative spaces. Per MOS:ALSO One purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics; however, articles linked should be related to the topic of the article. Shushugah (talk) 08:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

text: can you explain why you reverted and not include a reason in the edit message, or here — a discussion which you started? See WP:REVTALK for importance of edit summaries, especially during content disputes like here. Shushugah (talk) 15:20, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

text: , See the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Proper_use_of_SEE_ALSO. There's a wider understand of a sort that the way you're using "see also" falls outside of purview of reasonable use, yet it's a common misuse of using it to cross-promote other places using arbitrarily drawn out idea of "tangentially related". For example one might justify "see also"ing every flatware in the article spoon, because "they're all flatware" or including link to every type of knife for which there's a page into butter knife because they're all cutlery. You're using the page as an index of a sort. Perhaps WP:IINFO might be applicable here too. Graywalls (talk) 16:31, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  To give my opinion, MOS:SEEALSO states "One purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics; however, articles linked should be related to the topic of the article". Regarding this page, I would take that as meaning it would be handy to have links to other projects in NY which someone reading about ABC No Rio might be interested to hear about next. I think Shushugah added too many links to what was already quite a long list, but right now we have zero links which is also not ideal. I would suggest adding a few local projects eg Bluestockings (bookstore) (a fellow NY infoshop), C-Squat (a fellow NY former squat and cultural project) andCollective:Unconscious (a fellow NY cultural project). That's probably enough. Mujinga (talk) 14:46, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've re-added those three Mujinga (talk) 09:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looking at other articles in squatting stuff, they're being used to link back to cross-promote organizations, companies and people and radical concepts. It's like putting ice cream shop down the street in sandwich place's see also.. and putting sandwich place in ice cream shop's see also with BS arguing they're  arguing that they're tangentially connected because they're restaurants that are both "locally owned locally sourced" that are very close together physically. I argue the way it's used is outside the intent of SEE ALSO. The consensus looks fairly clearly not in favor of using SEE ALSO for linking back and forth like this. Graywalls (talk) 11:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  What does BS mean? What consensus? I see no consensus, nobody replied here for over a week to a stale argument. Graywalls, you have removed the see also section again, so let's check the guideline here. My reading of MOS:SEEALSO tells me it is absolutely fine to add some related projects to an article about a project, since "One purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics." Further, "Whether a link belongs in the "See also" section is ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense" so I don't see this as in any way . I'd love to hear what other people think. Mujinga (talk) 12:27, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  What other people said Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Proper_use_of_SEE_ALSO Graywalls (talk) 12:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think by BS you must mean bullshit, which isn't a very helpful term to be throwing around. Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Proper_use_of_SEE_ALSO is an entertaining discussion for sure but I'm not seeing much consensus about anything there. Mujinga (talk) 12:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: linkdexing