Talk:Eight-ball pool (British variation)

message: Helpful summary of the past UK pool organisations... forerunners of current blackball organisations in the UK
http://www.blackball.uk/2016/09/ukpf-8ball-pool-rules-1992.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.107.54 (talk) 10:42, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to address the historical relationship a little better.  You are right that the article is glaringly flawed, especially with BAPTO being missing.  I would strongly advise against forking the article any time soon, as WP:AFD will just merge them again. It would be better to drastically improve this article, and then if necessary rename it (however I think it would be vastly preferable to keep this article at Blackball (pool) than to move it to Eight-ball pool, as it will be too easily confused with Eight-ball. UK pool or something like that is too general - other games than these are played on pool tables in Britain!  Improve the article first, we'll worry about what to call it later.  PS: I also favor the blackball name for the article, because blackball is inevitably going to be the direction of this "class" of games' evolution, as the WPA is huge and global and pushing for Olympic sanctioning.  The older variants are going to be increasingly marginalized over the next decade, and are almost certainly going to see their rulesets shift toward WPA's (while WPA will almost certainly make concessions back in their direction, until all three bodies agree on a common set of rules).  The same thing has been happening in US/intl. eight-ball, with WPA making rules changes to get buy-in from BCA (which eventually became satisfied and is now an official WPA affiliate and shares the same rulesets), meanwhile the major formerly-US and now increasingly international amateur league, VNEA, is making more changes every year that bring it in line with the WPA/BCA rules.  It's just a natural process of compromise and nothing to worry about :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 17:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Granted this discussion was 15 years ago, but little had changed in the article since. I have done a full rewrite of the rules section based on the opinions expressed above, and moved it to Eight-ball Pool (British variation). Yeadonian (talk) 11:27, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK pool 

message: Also I believe a decent explanation of the differences between common Pub Rules and World Rules would be definitely useful, and they certainly are both in common use in the UK. Also, I read potting the black on a break means you win - I only recall playing under rulesets to the opposite effect (probably Pub Rules), it counts the same as if you had potted the black at any other time before your colours are down - you instantly lose the game. Piro RoadKill (talk) 10:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We've had a terrible time with WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:NPOV (and sometimes WP:NFT) problems at Eight-ball in trying to handle the same pub/bar vs. competition rules comparison.  The problem is that there are virtually no reliable sources anywhere for pub/bar rules, and they radically vary by region, even venue.  It's something more suited to some external book, a Bob's Guide to Playing Pool on the Road or whatever, that gathers actual research data on what the rules are in various areas.  It's not an encyclopedia's job.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Pub rules

message: The ball set up is described as that for World Rules. It is also the set up for blackball rules.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.112.154 (talk) 18:51, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: The WPA section used to say:
After a recent change it now says:
There's no source cited for this make-it-say-the-opposite change.  Even if it's correct about the WPA rules, it would mean taht the WEPF and WPA rules are even more similar that the article said, so the section is still wrong in describing "one notable difference" that it now is suggesting is the same for both rulesets!
Given that all of this material was written something like 4 or 5 years ago, both rulesets needs to be re-checked and summarized here correctly as to what they say as of  .  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for doing the work on that.  That's looks like a good review of the source material. I've self-reverted my  tag on this, and trust that you can write up clearer wording distinguishing the rules variances. The rules material on both variants could probably use a lot of copyediting and checking. An anon recently replaced one rule with a different but not incompatible rule (without a source); I re-edited it to keep both, pending verification.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  02:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the published rule on the WPA website is vague, and suggests that the player only gets 1 visit. However, I checked a recent tournament (2022 World Blackball Championship) here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrLZDyVZu3g and at 19:35 you can see that a player fouls, and the next player does not pot on his first shot but still gets a second visit. Therefore the rule must be that you get 1 free shot AND 1 subsequent visit. Yeadonian (talk) 23:24, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  WEPF vs. WPA rules error? 

message: The section relating to the World Blackball Championship could perhaps be updated.
The WBC 2014 is to be held in Perth, Scotland.
I have added relevant details here... http://scottishpool.org/spa_wbc2014  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.37.73 (talk) 11:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Blackball Championship 

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message: This is a summary of blackball pool rules which you may find useful.
Your coverage of the rules could benefit from updating. Currently there's more about WEPF rules which seems strange.
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Contact... Bill Hunter ukpool@gmail.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.100.224 (talk) 13:52, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackball Rules Summarised 

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message: This article does need a bit of an overhaul. For one thing, the WEPF has adopted a new rule set called "Supreme rules" (named for a sponsor) or "International rules", so those need to be included in some fashion. (Of course, it just seems to be another example of this xkcd comic in action. But also, the article really needs a broader look at the game instead of acting as though the WPA rules are definitive, as in terms of overall participation the older rule sets probably are still more used. Even the name of the article creates an impression of bias, though I understand that it's the only good choice considering the term "eight-ball" is already quite appropriately taken by the older American-style game. Perhaps some reconsideration is needed. oknazevad (talk) 09:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a go at overhauling the article to give some historical context to the competing rulesets. Yeadonian (talk) 21:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates needed 

message: What ruleset were the PPPO events? That's not covered anywhere in the article. Also, why was their event called EUKPF Professional World Championship? What does that stand for? "Europe and United Kingdom Pool Federation"? How do EUKPF and PPPO relate?  Also, the archive-url links to their event pages go to useless broken pages that just have menus but not content (I would guess due to relying on Flash), so the material on PPPO stuff is basically unsourceable, at least with these sources.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  PPPO? 

message: Three sections, "EPA rules (1978–1998)", "WPA blackball rules (2004–present)", and "EPA/WEPF international rules (2022–present)", say "The first legally potted ball decides the colours." This is unclear. I  it means "The first legally potted ball aside from the break-off decides the colours.", but I'm not certain.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rules clarity