Talk:Transpressionism

message: This article is a mess. Someone familiar with the topic, if there is anyone else besides the artist who may have written it, needs to go through this a bring it up to standard. Freshacconci 23:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major NPOV Issues 

message: We hope the article is now neutral. Please note that the artist is not the writer of this article. In fact, after  an  encounter of a group of the old-students with the artist the students have decided to collaborate in writing about her. None of the collabratros, of course, has any previous  experience in writing encyclopedic articles.  An article in the Sharvand of Toronto ( Vol.10, No 532, Friday Nov. 2000, P. 30.) documents the encounter with the artist. It states; "Few weeks  ago, in a trip to Vancouver for vacationing, the play of fate created the occasion for an encounter with my old-time professor Guity Novin. While reading some local newspapers, in a shop in North Vancouver,  I saw a picture of Guity Novin in the editorial page. The editorial entitled �Guity Novin, The Quite Artist in Vancouver�.  The editor of Payvand Mr. Mahjouri reported of another chance meeting with the artist when he did not recognize the artist. He continued � � few days later  I realized what an important artist had entered into the newsroom and then quietly had slipt away without introducing herself. The writer then stated that � Guity is the first woman graphic artist in Iran that her works  were widely published in the pre-revolutionary Iranian media. These days Guity is among  us, and is  working  on her art quietly.� I was ecstatic after reading this article since 28 years ago I had the privilege of being her student at the Construction College.�
The student then tells the story of how he had managed to  meet the artist in the Granville Island studio. He and a number of other old-students then try to do research for corroborating this article. They have communicated with the artist and the artist has provided various historical documents about her work.
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:I've removed some of the categories. They are way too over the top for a minor subject like this. Art movement, fine (even though it's only one artist of local note). But Western Art? Modern Art? That's too much. Freshacconci 17:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resolving NPOV Issues 

message: Guity Novin might merit an article, but on current evidence Transpressionism does not. The main reference is one newspaper article. This is simply not enough. Outside wikipedia, there are only 35 unique google hits, most of them on self-promotional web sites. Google hits including wikipedia show this article to be the main source of information on the movement, which is not permissible. 
Furthermore this article has been linked from many other articles. These links need to be removed.
One solution is to move the essential information to a section of Guity Novin and use this page as a redirect to that one. Otherwise it can be proposed for deletion.
Tyrenius 22:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This is not a valid article

message: I just checked some references. 
*. In page 713 of the textbook on abnormal psychology by Oltmanns,Emmery, and Tylor, (Prentice Hall, Toronto, 2001) is written " ... Guity Novin is the founder of the Transpressionism movement in painting". Thus, if a student wants to know what's Transpressionism? he/she should be able to find his/her answer in Wikipedia. Should he/she not?
*. In page 8 of Julie Huard's book "Le Carnaval de la licorne -- lyrique a saveurs d'amour" (Les edition l'interligne --2001)it is written "Guity Novin...est diplomee en Beaux-arts en Design...Depuis 1996, elle pratique ce que le Globe an Mail a qualifie de 'transpresssionism'.
Therefor, if a reader of French poetry wants to know what's 'transpressionism' he/she should be able to find his/her answer in Wikipedia. Should he/she not?
*. In page 27 of the art magazine 'Preview -- The Gallery Guide for Alberta, British Columbia, Oregon, and Washington' - June/July/August 1998, is written: : "Guity Novin intoduces The Transpressionism  Movement; Mythologically Inspired Paintigs ... in Guthenham Gallery, 1320 Johnston street, Granville Island". If an art historian wants to know Whats ....Should she/he not?
* Many artists like the Quebequa painter Marie LaChance in various forum such as e-bay declare that they have been influenced by Transpressionism (see:  http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:2sox9jqSlMcJ:www.mortgage-rate-calculator.ws/item-88-7414159850.php+Transpresionism&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=1). If a reader of these websites wants to know whats .... Should she/he not?
and ther are many many more of such examples including various websites like Kargah, Iran Chamber and so on.
Now why is this strange behaviour by editors who eradicate all references to Transpressiom in all pages of Wikipedia? What's going on? �The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.80.199.91 (talk) 08:33, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Evidence that any notable artist except Guity Novin has declared themselves to be part of Transpressionism would help... if it's an one-woman parade, it should be described in the Guity Novin article. --Alvestrand 14:35, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This eradication effort is somewhat heavy-handed 

message: * "An one-woman parade"?!! You should read about Tank Man in Tianeman Square to understand the power of one-person parade. By the way why do you think other Transpressartists are not "Notable". 24.80.4.167 19:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop Viking-Macho Mentality 

message: * Wikipedia rules on deletion clearly state that:
The deletion processes all focus on whether an article meets the criteria for existence on Wikipedia; that is, they are to determine whether it is not original research, its central information is verifiable, and it is capable of achieving a neutral point of view with good editorship. XfD (deletion) processes are not a way to complain or remove material that is personally disliked, whose perspective is against ones beliefs, or which is not yet presented neutrally. Using XfD as a "protest strategy" in an editorial or Neutral Point of View (NPOV) debate is generally an abuse of process and the article will usually be speedy kept.
Do not delete a page containing a personal essay or other content from the main article namespace without first posting a copy elsewhere (e.g., in a different namespace or on the meta), unless the content is simply vandalism. Wikipedia is not a repository for all manner of nonsense that happens to be posted. To be clear, however, a good faith attempt to write an encyclopedia article, no matter how poorly worded, biased, or otherwise flawed, will not be considered vandalism. �The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.81.86.162 (talk) 23:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep