Talk:Carbonari

message: Under the 1831 Uprising. Wouldn't "beaten but not defeated" make more sense?
:Done.JohnBuuseue (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: "Defeated but not beaten"

message: There is a chapter about the Carbonari and the Masons in 'The Sufis' by Idries Shah, London 1964. It says that they had a Sufi origin or connection and similarity of organization.--Wool Bridge (talk) 20:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a reference to this in the first paragraph under origins. JohnBuuseue (talk) 09:38, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sufis 

message: I came across some fairly illuminating mentions of this topic in an old history book I stumbled across on google:
:history book
It covers their possible origins as a trade group that was organized for mutual protection because their profession, charcoal making, necessitated them to live and work outside of the safety of feudal settlements.  From their it discusses an individual member of the order spreading it and involving it in international politics.  It also gets into the organization and rituals of the order.
I'm not a wiki scholar so I don't really know what to do with this, but I thought I'd put it here because it has a lot of information that seems to be lacking in the wiki page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.151.44 (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Edinburgh Annual Register, Vol 13 

message: Further reading sections are almost always a bad idea at Wiki since they're uncurated, leaving the lists unhelpful and tending towards bloat and self-promotion. Kindly restore these to the article:
* Blanc, Louis. The History of Ten Years, 1830-1840, Chapman and Hall, 1844.
* Heckethorn, Charles William. "Carbonari." In The Secret Societies of All Ages and Countries, Vol. II, Bk. XIII, Richard Bentley and Son, 1875.
* Martinesco-Cesaresco, Countess Evelyn. "The Work of the Carbonari." In The Liberation of Italy, 1815-1870, Seeley & Co, 1895.
* Radice, Fulke R. "An Introduction to the History of the Carbonari," Ars Quatuor Coronatorum, Vol. LI, 1940.
* Spitzer, Alan B. Old Hatreds and Young Hopes: The French Carbonari against the Bourbon Restoration, Harvard University Press, 1971.
once they are being used to verify statements in the text or once they have some terse commentary as to how they are useful or notable — LlywelynII 20:14, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for future article expansion

message: At the very least to integrate the repeated content in the origin section and the contents of the "Aftermath" section, which currently rehashes of the entire history of the movement's uprisings. — LlywelynII 20:37, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Article lacks chronological order.  Plus, at least one (pseudo-)reference in the "Aftermath" section was inexpertly miscoded as "[3]", instead of as a true refer-back to previous citation. Acwilson9 (talk) 00:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite needed

message: I'm hoping Aristophanes68 can fill us in on the use of articles preceding the term Alta Vendita. In the article Alta Vendita, the first sentence contains the phrase "(commonly called the Alta Vendita)," indicating that the definite article may and indeed should precede the term. I'm wondering on what grammatical basis the definite article should not precede the term in Carbonari. Also, is Aristophanes68 a native speaker of Italian?--Quisqualis (talk) 05:36, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alta Vendita