Talk:Racism in Europe

message: Authors have poorly written this article, it's full of opinions, thoughts, suggestions, etc. There is no distinctive line between racism and nationalism in this text, eg. problem of Gypsies is put as Racism, and as far as I know, there is no hatred against Gypsies because of racism, but pure bigotry. I am living in areas where gypsies do live, so even if you look like gypsy, the moment you say that you are not, but other nation, those bigots will look at you differently. So please, we need to collaborate what is here racism, what bigotry. Hating Roma people even though they are different race, cannot be automatically called racism, just on the fact that they are other race. This article doesn't make any sense.
Read More  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.149.183.187 (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poorly written 

message: This article seems to report only the opinion towards Roma people, with no correlation of such attitudes versus various factors that might influence it, rather than a comprehensive set of data. Either this article should be called "Attitudes regarding Roma People" or should be completely re-written. No mentioning of racism of Norther Europeans versus Southern Europeans is mentioned either.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2406:3003:2073:1A1F:116:2853:FBEF:A449 (talk) 02:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Absurd article

message: While I am all in favour of the sort of general overview of a subject articles that this tries to be, it seems to me that this one fails on numerous counts. 
* It is not well defined - what is discrimination? 
* Why "in Europe"? Is there a reason for selecting this extremely broad geographical entity? 
* If the focus is entirely on racism, then why not rename it "Racism in Europe".
* The timescales of the various sections are all over the place. 
* In many cases, it appears to be no more than a random collection of anecdotes.
* Some sections on major countries are merely links.
Personally, I don't believe that this project can succeed.  YusufAlBinVeryNaughty (talk) 10:31, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frankly bizarre 

message: The spelling is atrocious and is grammar terrible.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.15.255.227 (talk) 16:32, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But you are correct in your general criticisms of this section. The whole piece reads like a opinion piece. Hypothetical questions like "So why is Sweden choosing to ignore the rights of the Sami?" are definetely not encyclopedic. I would invite anyone with knowledge on this subject to look it over. --Saddhiyama (talk) 17:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone wants to research this, all the relevant and most recent reports (in English) are indexed here -  Vizjim (talk) 05:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism in Sweden section 

message: The information about Switzerland is, at least partially, wrong. "SVP passing an new naturalisation process". 
1) Parties do not pass laws!!! (Democracy 101)
2) After the swiss supreme court ruled that naturalisation by ballot only (a procedure used prevously in smaller communities) was unlawfull (no possibility to appeal), there was an initiative (cf. direct democracy in CH) from SVP, which was rejected by more than 60% of the votes. 
3) Also, thank God, SVP does not have a "solid grip on poewer" with some 25% of the seats in (both chambers combined). 
4) It is not true either, that people have to live in a specific community for 12 years. They have to live in Switzerland for that time. Plus this only applies to people with no previous ties to Switzerland, the timeframe for other groups (people born in Switzerland, married to a swiss citizen etc.) being about 5 years, with a simplified process.
Personally I think that conbatting xenophobia and racism is very important. And that is best done with accurate and true information. Unfortunately, my english is not good enough for encyclopaedic texts, otherwise I would do the changes myself 194.124.140.39 (talk) 15:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi - if you can point me to some English-language sources for each of these facts, I'll try to do my best to make the changes. Vizjim (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors in Switzerland section

message: Like Immigration and crime, this article seems a list of select examples country by country. LibStar (talk) 03:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: POV concerns

message: Article is Growing anti-immigrant sentiment in Europe from the late 2000s, deletion discussion here.--Sum (talk) 14:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article deletion discussion on anti-immigrant sentiment in contemporary Europe 

message: The increased control of the Danish border has absolutely noting to do with racism. So I removed it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.209.248.137 (talk) 21:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danish border control 

message: A word or two about this:
"Gypsies have become the main target of Slovenian racists in the 21st century as the population is otherwise extremely homogeneous.[33]"
First of all, saying that Slovenia is "extremely" homogenous might be a bit of an exaggeration. After all, about 17% of Slovene citizens didn't identify as ethnic Slovenes in the 2002 census, and the number has probably risen as we've seen a relatively high level of immigration. The majority of non-Slovene inhabitants of Slovenia are immigrants (of various generations) from the other republics of ex-Yugoslavia.
And while it is true that Gypsies are the primary target of racism, we should also mention that "immigrants from the south" are often their targets as well. The situation has improved somewhat since the 90s (which is when the racism got really bad) in this respect, but to pretend that hatred towards the so-called "southerners" doesn't exist to a significant extent anymore would mean being blind to reality.
In any case, a bit of basic info on demographics in Slovenia:
"The majority of Slovenia's population is Slovene (83.06%). Hungarians and Italians have the status of indigenous minorities under the Constitution of Slovenia, which guarantees them seats in the National Assembly. Most other minority groups, particularly those from other parts of the former Yugoslavia (except for one part of autochtonous community of Serbs and Croats), relocated after World War II for economic reasons."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Slovenia
And here is an excellent paper that sheds light on issues of racism in Slovenia (written in the late 90s):
http://mediawatch.mirovni-institut.si/eng/mw04.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.61.49.201 (talk) 02:01, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism in Slovenia 

message: Please help me in improving the article.
--Gironauni (talk) 00:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrimination 

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:39, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: The section about Hungary is currently unfortunately very poorly written, full of vague POV statements, like "Ethnic and religious discrimination in Hungary has a long history, starting after the migration of the nomadic Hungarian tribes from the Urals". It does not talk about the real problems, but gives undue weights to particular past events in a POV interpretation. Sadly, discrimination in Europe does exist and Hungary is not an exception. Especially Roma people are discriminated, so the section should talk much more about them and much less about alleged discriminations from hundreds of years ago. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 19:10, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungary 

message: This article used to be called "Discrimination in Europe" (still redirects here) and used to include some non-racism examples of discrimination. Why the change? 82.139.86.180 (talk) 01:57, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrimination or racism 

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message: Looks like someone don't like Pew Research Center.  // Liftarn (talk) 10:13, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources removed 

message: This article is really bad atm, but I think it could be salvaged. I think the article needs to concentrate on major incidents and NGO reports. There's too much "boy beaten up in tiny country village, attackers might be racist" sort of anecdotes in it. Also "far right" by itself doesn't mean racist. Editors should have sources for this!
Moreover there's some philosophical problems that need to be resolved. What precisely counts as racism? 
Lastly, some of the claims need sources. 
Over coming days, as long as nobody objects, I intend to strip out a lot of the unnecessary garbage mentioned above. WeiboEditor2000Sep (talk) 23:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major changes need to be made 

message: 1. Just as a previous commenter here says, the Swedish section says nothing about that Sweden is where the roots of intellectual, academic racism stem from. Carl von Linné introduced the academic division of humans into different races by a biased view of Europeans as the natural on top, and Asians, Africans etc as having less favorable traits that naturally put them lower than Europeans. It also doesn't mention how this further were developed by the theories of academic craniometricists Anders and Gustaf Retzius, and how this catalyzed and legitimized racism.
2. It totally lacks information about Swedish racism towards the indigenous Sami population, both historically and in present day society. This is absurd to not have in such an article. That it isn't in this arcticle is in itself a measurement of how the Samis are being treated. Most people in the world have never heard of there being an indigenous people in Sweden. Swedes know virtually nothing about them and how the Swedish state have treated them and still are.
/2021-03-08  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.34.138.94 (talk) 03:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish section lacks vital information 

message: I removed the following sentence from the "Netherlands" section: 
A Dutch immigrant to South Africa, Hendrik F. Verwoerd, intensified apartheid.
It was shoved in between 2 paragraphs talking about 2012 and 2016. Hendrik Verwoerd died in 1966 and it is unclear why he is mentioned in the "Netherlands" section because his family emigrated from the Netherlands in 1903 when Hendrik was ~2 years old. Polygnotus (talk) 01:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed misleading text