Talk:Collage

message: Can we add a section on webpages as a Collage? or Collages in technology? According to US law, a webpage should be defined as a Collage, a new piece of art made of technology, scripts, text, images and information from many sources which may or may not be open source.  Most websites make use of some open source technology in some fashion, either in the database, webserver, text or other information.  Perhaps a legal expert can weigh in on this but I'm pretty sure I am right.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.185.32 (talk) 08:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Addition

message: this section of the page reveals a specific problem. if mention were made of max ernst, and of works such as ernst's eerie La Femme cent têtes (1929), then the importance of surrealist use of collage would have an anchor. in the surrealist subculture, collage mimicked sleep dreams, which (according to the then current freudian account) take scraps of daily experience and combine them in unsettling or bizarre narratives. the surrealists emphasized this connection by using collage with automatic or aleatory ("subconscious," "involuntary") processes of selection and combination, and preference for print media images ("memories") rather than the use of materials as texture or color more common in cubist works. 
the problem is that this article misses the forest for the trees, specifically by attempting to be academically inclusive in the "techniques" of collage (gold leaf applique, victorian photo albums as "collage" precursors???), but generally by wandering from the visual art technique "collage" to the metaphorical language that applies the word "collage" to texts, film, etc. is this an encyclopedia entry or a dictionary entry? the crux is that collage is entirely and distinctly a modernist art technique, allied with the earliest developments in film editing (griffiths, eisenstein), and unless its development and use is explained in that context one seems forced to account any sticking of something on something else as a form of collage, which strikes me as brutally simpleminded.
and the techniques mentioned are not as inclusive as the stray and distant examples propose; for example the article does not mention the significant victorian fad for historical or mythical scenes or "fairy records" produced by piecing together staged photographic components as a larger work that was rephotographed to appear as an actual scene. this was "photoshopping" bien avant la chose and was the parodic element in ernst's work.
it seems to me that this trees for forest tendency in this article is what the grubbery about "landscapade" and "prehensilouette" is basically trying to resolve. keep your eye on the ball. --macevoy.
:I share your frustration at the article's failure adequately to address, in its introduction, the conceptual inspiration that underlies collage. It seems to me that, despite the fact that the word collage literally refers to sticking or gluing things, the important thing about it is the idea of creating collisions between fragmentary or displaced "signifiers" (in the semiotic sense), especially photographic images or printed text, still recognizable as being taken from some other context, and then placed in new juxtapositions which may or may not have some coherence as a new figural image. If this quality of a confrontation between disrupted, displaced signifiers is not present, then the piece is not really a collage — except perhaps in the literal and trivial sense that there has been a "sticking of something on something else", as you say. I did some work in the 'wood collage' section that attempts to address this problem, but the main intro still needs  work. MdArtLover (talk) 18:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be that previous editors have shied away from more elaborate art critique, rather than run the risk of deletion due to original research concerns. It's certainly worth bearing in mind that, while a you've identified a clear omission here, it does need to be remedied with reference to reliable third-party sources. While that's particularly nice work on the wood section, I'd consider backing it up with something published elsewhere. --mikaultalk 18:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Collage and surrealism

message: I know my mention of decoupage is not up to snuff; can anyone help me flesh this out?  --Daniel C. Boyer 18:29, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Decoupage

message: I am going to be placing Lacerated posters on the Requested articles page.  How should this topic be fit into collage, since it really is a form of "decollage"?  --Daniel C. Boyer 00:15, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Lacerated posters

message: Why is this once long article now a stub? Hyacinth 11:53, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm glad its no longer a stub. Hyacinth 09:47, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub

message: The article states, "Collage was often called the art form of the 20th century...". Such a statement, it seems to me, needs attribution. Furthermore, since the writer says it was "often" thus called, there should be several examples given.
:I completely agree. Furthermore, the placement of the statement is kind of random; it's like a little lost orphan sentence. I think other contributors here have just tried to be nice and leave the sentence as is, while trying to build a decent article around it. No one wants to be the meany who deletes it. But we have given the writer plenty of time to come forward and attribute this statement, and to write it properly into context. How polite do we have to be when somebody cares so little about their own work? MdArtLover 13:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  (I just realized that the above statement was a reply to myself! No wonder I agreed so heartily! ;) MdArtLover 14:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attribution problem

message: A music video can also be a collage and the most recent and most known of this kind of videos is this: Yes We Can as an example. --134.155.99.42 (talk) 14:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Music Videos

message: I think that there should be a well-known contemporary collage artist (e.g. works in the 1980's or later) added to the images section. Any ideas? I like Matt Bryant (shown at the Tate).
Boyprose (talk) 03:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Carle! Eric Carle of the picture book art design authorship. Although he originally started publishing picture books in the last few years 60s, he is still working in a distinctive collage style, probably one of the best known artists. That is - if any fine art sticklers will have him in the article! I am trying to get [The Very Hungry Caterpillar]] article up to scratch, with expert help from others. So any more would be appreciated. But that is by the way. Kathybramley (talk) 21:20, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Contemporary Collage artists

message: Felipe Jesus Consalvos is a notable collage artist that should be included on this article.  His unique and amazing work, created from the 1920s through the 1950s, was only recently discovered and introduced to the world. The work incorporates vernacular cigar-band collage traditions and anticipates later developments in pop and other contemporary collage that are now considered part of the canon.  Roberta Smith described Consalvos as a "self-starting modernist" whose work  "belongs to the collage continuum from Hannah Hoch to Barbara Kruger."  (See Felipe Jesus Consalvos article for cite.)  Just because his his work is not widely known (yet) does not mean that he is not notable.  Please read more about his work before reflexively removing him from the list.  Within the last year, Consalvos' work appeared in an exhibition at Adam Baumgold Gallery, and was also featured alongside work by Joseph Cornell, Lenore Tawney, Jess, and Ray Johnson in the exhibition "Messages and Magic: 100 Years of Collage and Assemblage in American Art" at the John Michael Kohler Arts Center.  His work is found in public collections, including the Kohler Arts Center and the Philadelphia Museum of Art.  Please reconsider the decision to remove him from the list.  Klyber (talk) 02:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Impressive! Good find...Modernist (talk) 09:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Felipe Jesus Consalvos

message: It isn't newsworthy to add that artists are still making collages with paper and paste...Modernist (talk) 03:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So that would dis-include Carle, then? Kathybramley (talk) 21:24, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Traditional technique

message: I removed Revision 02:01 17 Jun 2015 by IP user 175.45.14.142 (talk) with comment (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit)
I am parking the text here if anyone cares. --Naaman Brown (talk) 03:08, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: uhhi

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Collage. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20050305050539/http://www.musee-picasso.fr/pages/page_id18547_u1l2.htm to http://www.musee-picasso.fr/pages/page_id18547_u1l2.htm
*Added  tag to http://www.kurt-schwitters.org/p%2C2650057%2C1.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081121114450/http://www.pchelm.com/computage/just_what_is_it.htm to http://www.pchelm.com/computage/just_what_is_it.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121103132135/http://www.kriegartstudio.com/nesting_cranes/susan_krieg_history_collage.htm to http://www.kriegartstudio.com/nesting_cranes/susan_krieg_history_collage.htm
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 15:19, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Mali was rich in gold but needed salt as we have seen. They route that they were using was known as Transaharan trade 41.150.219.21 (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mali 

message: An example of up to date techniques of collage and construction 27.34.59.77 (talk) 03:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health