Talk:Ulster Irish

message: Two more very characteristic points of pronunciation that aren't covered here: the change of final slender "r" to something like í, and the realisation of "ch" as "r" in the cluster "-cht". Can someone who can get IPA symbols to work for them and knows how to express these in them maybe add them to the list?Palmiro | Talk 22:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Some of the entries here are misleading. E.g. gamhain is not exclusively northern word. This word alongside lao is used in Munster at least. Witness its occurence in a well-known children rhyme "Tá capall ag Seáinín". It is stated in "Cluster dictionary of Ballivourney" that lao is a younger calf - about 6 months old, whereas gamhain is from 1 year old and henceforth. This whole myth about north-south division with words gamhain-lao most probably stems from LASID, which is a great resource undeniably. But if you know how it was compiled you shouldn't rush to conlusion that it reflects properly dialectal distribution of words. So I suggest gamhain is taken out as specific northern word.
The same objection to bealach mór entry. It is not ród in the south, at least not in poetry. The normal word in the whole Munster is bóthar - exactly as in Conamara.
:I agree that some of this is misleading.  Let's add "amharc" and "cluinim" (presumably a mistype for "cluinnim"?) to the list of words that shouldn't be here, because both are used in the poem "Caoineadh Chill Chais" which comes from nowhere near Ulster. (see an t-Oranaiche, vol 1) Michealt (talk) 17:25, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Vocabulary (Lexicon)

message: "At least the change of final slender /rʲ/ to /j/ is not characteristic for Ulster Irish as such, but only for the larger Gaoth Dobhair area. I'm not sure about the change /xt/ > /rt/. Qatan 12:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaoth Dobhair cht -->rt 

message: I am removing the following statement that has been tagged as needing a source since February:
*The Irish-speaking area of the Falls Road in Belfast has recently been designated the "Gaeltacht Quarter."
If anyone can find and cite a source for it, feel free to re-add it. —Angr 16:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statement removed 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is now C class and should remain there without major work and referencing Billsmith60 (talk) 12:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: The only county in Ulster to include Gaeltacht regions today is Donegal, so that the term Donegal Irish is often used synonymously. 
There was a Gaeltacht area around Omeath/Carlingford until the 1960s-1970s. Does anyone know if there's records on whether the Irish there was more similar to Ulster Irish or to Leinster Irish?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.175.182 (talk) 18:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 30 yrs ago I heard voice recordings of some of the last native Gaelic speakers from Omeath whilst attending a lecture given by someone from An Cumann le Béaloideas Éireann.
I was struck of their dialect to that of the Donegal Gaeltacht. Eog1916 (talk) 20:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Question on Former Omeath/Carlingford Gaeltacht

message: It would seem reasonable to change the title of this article to 'Ulster Gaelic Dialect' given that the opening passage of the article states that "Ulster Irish is the dialect of the Irish language spoken in the Province of Ulster". I like my long dead mother before me prefer the use of the term 'Gaelic' and not 'Irish' (which I consider perjorative) in the context of our language. I am not alone for even Panu Höglund (REF: http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaeilge/gramadach/canuinti.html) has opted for this usage!
"At one time the Gaelic language group was spoken throughout Ireland, from where it spread to
the Isle of Man and to much of Scotland. Currently fully native use of Gaelic is limited to a few
discontiguous areas in the westernmost reaches of Ireland and Scotland. In the case of Ireland, everyone agrees that Gaelic is nowadays found in three main dialects: that of Ulster, that of Connacht, and that of Munster" (Ó Siadhail, 1989).Eog1916 (talk) 21:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, please stop moving pages until after a discussion using WP:RM has taken place. The second time you moved it, you moved the talk page for Ulster Irish into article space under the title "Ulster Gaelic Dialect". As for the move itself, there are other considerations besides what you and your mother think. While there are people who prefer to use the term "Gaelic" for the entire range of Goidelic languages in Ireland, Man, and Scotland, other people prefer to use the term "Irish" for the forms spoken in Ireland, "Manx" for the forms spoken on Man, and "Scottish Gaelic/Scots Gaelic" or simply "Gaelic" for the forms spoken in Scotland. Your quote from Ó Siadhail doesn't really support your position, as he in no way is arguing against using the term "Irish"; and in fact he uses the term "Irish" himself, first and foremost in the title of the book you took the quote from. Panu also doesn't argue against the term "Irish" on the page you link to; on the contrary, he uses the terms "Munster Irish" and "Ulster Irish". Where he uses the term "Gaelic" on that page, he always modifies it as either "Irish Gaelic" or "Scottish Gaelic", but he doesn't say "Ulster Gaelic". In addition, it makes no sense to move only the article on the Ulster dialect; if this one is moved, Munster Irish and Connacht Irish should be moved as well for consistency, which means the requested move should include those articles. There are more arguments against the move, but I'll save those for the requested move, should you choose to start one. —Angr (talk) 11:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ulster Gaelic Dialect

message: Labhraíonn an t-alt gur as an bhlas thuaidh beachd, agus is as blas dheis barúil. Ach, bím ag cloisteáil barúil san tuaisceart (i mBéal Feirste/nDún na Gall) agus sílim go raibh tuairim caighdéanach. An bhfuil foinse ag duine uile?
The word list shows beachd as Ulster Irish and barúil as southern, but I've been told barúil is northern and tuairim is standard Irish. Does anyone have a source either way?
ADREY talk 11:41, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Beachd vs barúil vs tuairim