Talk:Chief Joseph

message: "With 2,000 U.S. soldiers in pursuit, Chief Joseph led 18,642,916,000 Nez Perce toward freedom at the Canadian border."
That can't possibly be right.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.98.70 (talk • contribs) 14:52, May 4, 2006
:Always check the page history for vandalism when questions like this arise. Katr67 21:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eighteen billion Indians? 

message: The American Heritage Dictionary defines "band" also as "a group of people", yet in common use (apart from musicians) it is used for outlaws mostly. Is it proper to call Indian warriors "bands"? Are groups of indigenous people invaded by settlers "bands"? Is a Native American Indian glad to read this here, or maybe even in History books (if it is also used there too -I am not familiar)? Hoverfish 06:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that in Canada the term has (had?) meaning, certainly no suggestion of illegal activity. See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Nations "A First Nation is a legally undefined term that came into common usage in the 1980s to replace the term "Indian band". Elder Sol Sanderson says that he coined the term in the early 1980s.[1] A band is defined as "a body of Indians for whose collective use and benefit lands have been set apart or money is held by the Canadian Crown, or declared to be a band for the purposes of the Indian Act" [2]. There are currently over 600 First Nations governments or bands in Canada. Roughly half of these are located in the provinces of Ontario and British Columbia." --mgaved 10:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pretty much the same as the "warbands" of ancient German tribes. Aran|heru|nar 14:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is "band" appropriate? 

message: This is informational about chief Joeseph, don't you think? Thomasreay 00:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is informational. 

message: By this edit, an anon added a big chunk of text at the end of the article, making no attempt to integrate it.  I suspected a copyvio, but, at least according to one website, it's from a 1918 book that's now in the public domain.  I haven't reviewed it line-by-line to see what, if anything, might be worth incorporating in the article in proper faashion. JamesMLane t c 16:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting a large addition to the article 

message: Might be a minor point, but Chief Joseph is depicted on currently issued US Savings Bonds.  Series I, $200. 66.191.19.68 (talk) 18:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Savings Bonds 

message: Which gold rush was it? A small one in the Washington/Oregon area that doesn't have any particular name? I was just curious why no one mentioned it, as seemed to be the cause of the U.S. government's desire for re-negotiation of the 1855 reservation treaty. Vervaine (talk) 19:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gold Rush Mentioned in Background Section 

message: The popular legend deflated, however, when the original pencil draft of the report was revealed to show the handwriting of the later poet and lawyer Lieutenant Charles Erskine Scott Wood, who claimed to have taken down the great chief's words on the spot. In the margin it read, "Here insert Joseph's reply to the demand for surrender."
It's not clear to me how the second sentence necessarily negates the historicity of the "I will fight no more forever" quotation. Does this sentence mean that Wood made it up? Or that it was his later recollection of Chief Joseph's statement? (Could he possbily have written it on another piece of paper at the time?) To what extent are we saying that the sad, noble words attributed to Chief Joseph are apocryphal?
Sca (talk) 21:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I find this paragraph confusing. What is the conclusion of scholars? Are we supposed to be persuaded and led to a conclusion? The final interpretation should come from the literature, but it is missing. Instead, the argument is by innuendo. Also, there is a hint of "debunking" energy here. 76.118.180.76 (talk) 06:29, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't care for the current wording, either. "popular legend" isn't encyclopedic language. Barring more conclusive evidence, I'd prefer a more neutral presentation: "Some doubt has been raised about the accuracy of the quotation. When the original pencil draft ..." As for the accuracy of the quote, I believe it's entirely possible that LT Wood accurately recorded the quote in another document, and the margin note is nothing more than an editing mark used as a reminder to insert the proper quote. 68.103.21.75 (talk) 01:59, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Surrender quotation

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IsaacDragonBlack (talk) 15:57, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  other people's names 

message: It's very odd that Merrill Beal's respected account, I Will Fight No More Forever: Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce War (University of Washington Press, 2000), is not cited among sources. Added to books & films section. Sca (talk) 15:04, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Beal's book

message: Substituted at 11:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: If it's ever needed, here's a Smithsonian article on it. Doug Weller talk 18:55, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Full reference here. Doug Weller talk 18:57, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mesopotamian tablet claim 

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message: This is clearly a drawing, right? Look at the hair, that's not how hair looks in photos, it's too perfect: that's a high-quality illustration. I've found an actual photo. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 12:40, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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