Talk:Esther Short Park

message: Okay. This place is really beautiful and has many interesting features, including the playground, clock tower, bandstand, children's play fountain with columnar basalt and the neighboring outdoor farmers market. A lot of this stuff would be beautiful to photograph, so get on it, people! 8^) I personally believe the statue of the pioneer mother is the most emblematic, because it has been there the longest, but dang! Rorybowman 01:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuff to Add 2007 

message: The DYK on the Wikipedia front page appears to be wrong. The article claims that the park is the oldest urban public park west of the mississippi and gives this reference Link. This link says nothing about the park being the oldest west of the mississippi and a quick google search reveals at least one older park west of the mississippi in St. Louis here. If I'm reading this right it's a little disconcerting it made it through the nomination process. Grey Wanderer | Talk 17:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: St. Louis is on the river, and is not colloquially considered subject to being "west of the mississippi". In fact, the city is considered the last city before you qualify as being so, hence the nickname "Gateway to the West". I think the convention center link is not exactly a reliable source, as I'm sure they would be willing to bend the traditional conception of the phrase to promote their space, which after all, is the point of a promotional brochure such as the one you linked. None of the other sources I could find upon Googling it were reliable historical sources either. As for the ref, I may have used the wrong one, but I'm sure it must be in one of these history refs, as it's pretty much common knowledge. I have a good history of SW Washington text at home, so I'll add a ref from that shortly. VanTucky (talk) 18:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I just want to thank you for not giving me the time or courtesy to provide an alternate source like I just said I would. Really helpful. VanTucky (talk) 18:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe VanTucky is looking for Mike Snyder's comment in the article's second reference , who said "the West" not "west of the Mississippi". Since the St. Louis date is earlier, it has a better chance of being the earliest unless it can be shown it wasn't really a park or something. Art LaPella 20:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Big error

message: I typed in "Esther Short" and I get her park instead. I go to the "Discussion" and find a pie-fight over how "first" it is.
http://www.co.clark.wa.us/aboutcc/proud_past/EstherShort.html
Almost nothing about a very fascinating woman in Western history. Doesn't even mention she was half Native American. (Algonquian.)
See "User Comment" by Terry Snyder at bottom here:
http://www.pps.org/great_public_spaces/one?public_place_id=639
Please be careful in your disambiguations. If I typed in Herbert Hoover I wouldn't likely be looking for Herbert Hoover Park.
It's not as if the information isn't available...
I suggest you all stop arguing over minutia and ask the Clark County, WA, Historical Society about the person behind the park. They even have a photo of her I believe.
And no, I won't write this one.
S.E. Hammond, Portland, OR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.241.183 (talk) 21:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very Disappointing "Disambiguation"