Talk:Self-Realization Fellowship

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Identifying Reliable Sources  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we only publish the opinions of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves. (talk) 10:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Responding to someone with no signature. If you think I removed information that has a secondary reliable source, please show the information and your rationale. Attacking fellow editors is discouraged on Wikipedia but a healthy discussion is encouraged. I am open to hearing what you have to say. Btw I didn't create this page but am currently trying to improve the page and am listening to what fellow editors have to say. Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:23, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, agreed. SRF is wealthy and powerful and tried to destroy the Ananda church, also in California, years ago, using legal intimidation. You would think this might merit a sentence or two, as it generated millions in legal fees for California law firms. But nary a word for the reader on a landmark federal case heard by Judge Garcia, who made several important rulings in favor of Ananda. Jack B108 (talk) 22:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See the discussion started below called "Legal battle between SRF vs Kriyananda". We as editors are not allowed to interpret court rulings or court documents but instead need to use secondary reliable sources that discuss the subject. Here is the link . Please join the discussion below.Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:23, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Fellowship Critique Section

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message: Anyone know of careful work on how many members SRF has?  Can it be put in the article?Moabalan (talk) 04:39, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Membership size? 

message: In regards to the lead section, the general sentence about what Yogananda taught explains to the reader the very core of his SRF teachings. I propose we restructure the lead something like this. I am trying to improve the page... let me know your thoughts on the lead. Also it seems we need a new section called Teachings.
Self-Realization Fellowship (SRF) is a worldwide spiritual organization founded by Paramahansa Yogananda in 1920 and legally incorporated in the United States as a non-profit religious organization in 1935.[3][4][5][6] Before coming to the United States, Yogananda began his spiritual work in India in 1917 and named it Yogoda Satsanga Society of India (YSS).[11] He then founded SRF in 1920 which became the international headquarters for the SRF and YSS, located on Mount Washington in Los Angeles, California.[12]
Yogananda's teachings include yoga techniques and a form of meditation that promotes awareness of ones soul and expands ones consciousness. Yogananda wrote in God Talks With Arjuna: The Bhagavad Gita that the science of Kriya Yoga[7] was given to Manu, the original Adam, and through him to Janaka and other royal sages.[8]
Self-Realization Fellowship disseminates and publishes his teachings guided by his Aims and Ideals.[4][9] SRF publishes his home-study lessons, writings including his autobiography, lectures, and recorded talks; oversees temples, retreats, meditation centers, and monastic communities bearing the name Self-Realization Order. It also coordinates the Worldwide Prayer Circle, which it describes as a network of groups and individuals who pray for those in need of physical, mental, or spiritual aid, and who also pray for world peace and harmony.  Red Rose 13 (talk) 04:29, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I restructured and brought clarity to this section. Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

text: This is an ongoing project for me and I will be working on this page as I can being a volunteer with another life as we all are.Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion rather than Edit warring

message: Dear Jack B108, I have seen your many posts stating that not enough is said regarding the long legal battle between SRF & Kriyananda et al. I have searched high and low for reliable secondary sources that discuss this legal battle. We cannot use Ananda writers, Kriyanandas lawyers writings nor SRF lawyers, or SRF associated writers etc... nor websites writing by Ananda members nor SRF members, etc. Nor can we use actual legal documents themselves but only a writer that discusses it in a reliable medium. In a controversial subject as this, we need to only use secondary, reliable source preferably scholarly sources. I would be happy to add information from one of these neutral sources if I knew where it was. Do you have access or have you found one of these sources: reliable secondary sources preferably scholarly sources? I have only found info in a secondary reliable source like the LA Times article and the local Nevada City newspaper. If you cannot find a source and neither can I, then we can't write anything more. Let me know.Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Legal battle between SRF vs Kriyananda

message: Are there any references that indicate how the documentary is relevant to the organization? Otherwise, I don't know why it deserves a section. --Hipal (talk) 15:46, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please... it is better etiquette on Wikipedia to discuss something here before you delete it.
Also, if you had read about the documentary, you would have realized that SRF paid for the production including the hiring of the directors. And I quote:  "Funded by SRF, the documentary Awake: The Life of Yogananda was co-directed by Paola Di Florio and Lisa Leeman." 
In other words SRF paid for it and hired the directors... it is SRF's film. I am going to put it back but it doesn't matter for the article if it has its own section or is under The Teachings. Which is your preference.Red Rose 13 (talk) 18:49, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Without better sources, I can't see how anything other than minimal content is due, without being promotional. Please don't revert it into its own section again. --Hipal (talk) 15:23, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I consider the LA Times and San Francisco Chronicle as reliable secondary sources, do you? Those are the references that I found and placed in the last addition. I will place it under the Teaching section. Thank you for your feedback. Let me know what you think. Red Rose 13 (talk) 16:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: They are movie reviews. --Hipal (talk) 22:07, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok but I found a movie review that wrote about facts regarding the documentary and added this info. Red Rose 13 (talk) 23:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the organization, not the movie, not the person. If we don't have any references demonstrating the historical importance of this documentary as related to the organization, I don't see why such details belong. These movie reviews written at the time do not demonstrate such importance, nor provide other context relevant to the subject of this article. --Hipal (talk) 16:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Documentary