Talk:Monday Club/Archive 2

message: I have placed a Request for Arbitration concerning the recent activities on this page.    CJCurrie 00:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope this can all be seen in the light of a general improvement in the standard of the page. Charles Matthews 11:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like all concerned to concentrate here on the page content. Attacking other editors is not good practice, to put it mildly. Please discuss in terms of what and what should not appear on the page. I think a good job is done here already in writing a thorough, informative piece. Charles Matthews 11:47, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: RFA

message: Nothing here for almost 2 weeks. We'll try unprotection. If problems continue, let us know at RfP. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 07:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprotected 

message: It would seem that all that needs to be said here is that:
"The club was formed as a reaction to Harold Macmillan's 'Winds of Change' speech".
All the following should be on the appropriate page, unless whoever put it here is trying to make some sort of blatant apartheid statement:  
"made at Cape Town, South Africa, in which Macmillan stated that the "winds of change are blowing through this continent and whether we like it or not this growth of national consciousness is a political fact. We must all accept this fact and our national policies must take account of it." The speech was seen to herald the Macmillan government's opposition to apartheid[1] and its acceptance of decolonisation in Africa, and elsewhere."
The Club found the Winds of Change speech as the last straw for Toryism, rather than a singular reason for its establishment. Was the speech not made in response to a United Nations major statement on decolonisation? 86.129.73.230 22:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a little duplication now. I personally wouldn't mind if there was a little less. Charles Matthews 23:28, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Wouldn't the point on the Monday Club's history of supporting white minority regimes be better made by documenting exactly that, than by implication, though? Put that in the MC article and the generalities in the WoC article. My take. Charles Matthews 14:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think I already know the answer, but is it your contention that "European government" in an NPOV term to describe the apartheid-era South African administration? CJCurrie 01:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Funny that - I thought the Afrikaans-speakers made a point of being, well, African. In that they settleed the Cape of Good Hope a good while ago. Perhaps 'regime' is loaded, but apartheid was self-identification, no. Charles Matthews 14:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It might be better put as National Party (South Africa) government, in some cases, certainly. Charles Matthews 09:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Winds of Change

message: I edited here today. What was wrong with the additional information? Why has that meant another ban here? Is everyone who ever had anything to do with the Monday Club now banned? Is not anonymous editing one of the strengths of Wikipedia? 86.141.173.190 23:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Banning

message: Sussexman's valid points are being deliberately ignored because CJCurrie clearly wants the Club to be portrayed in a negative light.
The Observer article is written by someone not in the Club (as he is a known Marxist). He provides no evidence for his sensationalist story other than two or three members of the Club are also now members of Western Goals. His stupid assertions were clearly denied/refuted by leading members of the Club in several published letters & articles, members who had been in the Club for years. Their credibility as Executive Council members must surely rank above the personal cranky story of a Red journalist? In addition, the late unlamented David Storey was found to be engaged in a disinformation campaign and expelled from the Club. Of this there can be no dispute. Lightoftheworld 09:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points, but is there no article in the British political press which covers this? Fred Bauder 12:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I met the old racist once. He came to speak in an Oxford Union debate. He was rightly heckled and abused both outside and inside the Chamber. Certainly, no-one took their hat off to him. Is he dead yet? --SandyDancer 17:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Agenda