Talk:Odawa

message: To get rid of the parentheses, what to people say to moving this article to Odawa? QuartierLatin1968 01:23, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get rid of the parentheses 

message: Does this article refer to the same people as the Outaouais (tribe)?  I created the Outaouais (tribe) article by splitting the Outaouais article, which was also for a region in Quebec. The Outaouais article said that: "They did not have a written language, and the name Outaouais is a French phonetic representation of their name. Ottawa is the English spelling." Kurieeto 19:50, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, Ottawa, Ottowa, Odaawaa, Odawa, Tawas, and Outaouais are all the same.  In addition, Ottawa went by other names as well such as "Courte Oreilles" (as in Lac Courte Oreilles, as in a lake and an Ojibwe Reservation in northern Wisconsin).  In addition, their name translated literally into English gives us the name "Trade" or "Trader" as in Trade River, a tributary of the St. Croix River that forms the boundary between Wisconsin and Minnesota, located on Wisconsin's side.  unsigned by CJLippert, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 
Someone thoughtfully did a redirect for Outaouais (tribe), I see... Thanks, whoever did that! ++Lar: t/c 02:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outaouais 

message: User:Leo1410 have begun a survey of all thing associated with the Anishinaabe peoples.  Please visit (and possibly add, edit) to User:Leo1410/Anishinaabe, or from there create a new article.  Miigwech CJLippert 05:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey of [[Anishinaabe]]-related articles 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: I agree with the commenter above. I think the article should be renamed to Odawa people or Odawa (people) or simply Odawa. The form Odawa is the one recommended by the Canadian Oxford Dictionary, which is the authority for the English language in Canada, used by the government, Canadian Press and most newspapers. Which sources recommend using the term Ottawa or Odaawaa in English?? The former simply resends to Odawa in the Canadian Oxford. The latter looks like the name of the people in one of the writing systems of the language itself. Odawa is the English name.--206.248.172.247 (talk) 22:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Odawa people

message: If the title of the page is called Odawa, and Odawa and Ottawa are the two most commonly-recognized names for the people, why is the subject referenced as Odaawaa every time after the first paragraph? Odaawaa looks like some sort of phonetic representation of the name, not the one most commonly used. The article suggests Odawa is the Potawatomi spelling (corruption?) of Odaawaa? I'm not well-versed in the standards for naming in indigenous articles in Wikipedia, but from a fairly comprehensive literature review, I haven't seen many references to the double-A Odaawaa. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Somerut (talk) 23:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What you're seeing is differences in orthography, not corruption of the spelling. In Odaawaa, either "Odaawaa", "Wdaawaa" or "Daawaa" are correct. In Boodewaadamii, "Odawa", "Wdawa" and "Dawa" are correct, while in Ojibwe, "Odaawaa" is the correct in all non-syncope dialects and choices are same as that of Odaawaa for syncope dialects. CJLippert (talk) 15:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. One more? If Odaawaa is the preferred spelling, then, why isn't it used as the title of the page? Somerut (talk) 20:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because "Ottawa" and "Odawa" are far more common than "Odaawaa". The logistics still needs to be worked out. Take a look at the redirects to the article. CJLippert (talk) 22:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Somerut has a point. It all boils down to one question: do we use endonyms or exonyms? I say: let's use endonyms (or semi endonyms) where we can. I am also in favor of a standardized spelling. I'm already in the process of carrying this through consistently in the Dutch Wikipedia. Odaawaa (plural Odaawaag), Ojibwe (which is not really an endonym by the way - plural Ojibweg), Bodewadmi (plural Bodewadmik), Lakota/Dakota/Nakota instead of Sioux, Haudenosaunee instead of Iroquois, Dineh instead of Navajo, Tohono O'odham instead of Papago, et cetera. With SOME exceptions that confirm the rule -  I will get back later on this one. As for the standardized spelling, let's for example use Ojibwe instead of Ojibwa or Ojibway. If we standardize we can finally stop talking in terms of "America-centric" vs "Canada-centric" naming. -Zhaawano (talk) 23:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Since this is an English language Wikipedia, the term most commonly used in English is chosen. Both Ojibwe and Ojibwa are perfectly acceptable. All endonyms and alternative spellings should be mentioned where the name of the group is discussed, then try to stick to one term for the rest of the article, in this case "Odawa." -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly what I was about to say. The article should use consistent English spelling as indicated by reliable sources. older ≠ wiser 00:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You say, 'reliable sources'. What you mean is this: Indigenous nations in Canada and the US are subjugated peoples and their age old institutions of scientific knowledge shall and will never be accepted as reliable sources. It is the dominant (Anglo) society that tells them what their proper names are. 
Zhaawano (talk) 22:17, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it means this is an English language Wikipedia. And Native people, such as myself, edit it, and use books and newspapers authored by Native peoples as secondary sources. -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes, I know you do, and that's exactly my point. In editing the Dutch Wikipedia - I currently live in the Netherlands - , I  use my own Native knowledge (experience) as well as books and newspapers authored by Native peoples as primary sources. I try to use endonyms instead of exonyms, and would, for instance, never use the word 'tribe' - except of course when it is part of a Nation's official name. I don't think my working method makes the Dutch Wikipedia less Dutch and neither do the Dutch Wikipedians seem to think so - in fact one of my articles (Ojibweg) has been labeled a featured article. Don't get me wrong though, I do respect your opinions and working method. I just don't agree with your point of view.
Zhaawano (talk) 09:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm only guessing, but I expect that comparatively speaking, there is a significantly greater volume of work in English on the Odawa than in Dutch. Such that the terms have become almost, if not fully, a part of American (including Canadian) English vernacular. That complicates matters significantly. We use whatever terms are used most by reliable English language sources. It is not the mission of Wikipedia to attempt to promote a POV in redressing centuries of cultural imperialism. older ≠ wiser 05:04, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Odawa v. Odaawaa

message: I recently uploaded a public-domain sketch of Ottawa people by George Townshend (it says "Outawas," but the artist's history makes it clear that he means this people, right). Feel free to use if you think it'd be useful. Dcoetzee 02:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the image would be useful later, but not right now the way the article is written. Under the "Early History" section, if that could be broken out to 1) Migration stories based on Oral Histories, 2) emergence of Odawa regional power through trade, 3) war and refugees, 4) treaties and removals and 5) extinguishment and survival, at that point, the image may be helpful in the "war and refugees" sub-section. Otherwise, it would always be good to have the image in the Wikimedia Commons, with a link from this article to the Commons. CJLippert (talk) 14:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New image [[:File:An Indian of ye Outawas Tribe & his Family going to War by George Townshend, 4th Viscount and 1st Marquess Townshend.jpg]] 

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message: Per this edit  and edit summary "Anishinaabeg" is a racially insulting term similar to the N word, a twist on the correct word, "Anishinaabe". It's unthinkable that you had it on your site.". This seems very unlikely, considering this publication Anishinaabeg Today, which uses the term in it's title, is the official publication of White Earth Reservation. A quick google search also did not find evidence that the term in question is an insult. I'll be happy to be proved wrong if someone can provide some links, otherwise I am reverting. Heiro 20:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Anishinaabeg" as an insult