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Wikipedia talk:NPOV (Comparison of views in science)

message: proposed new guidelines:
several different approaches may be taken to comparison:
:1) a parallel approach, in which different models are compared on their own terms and merits, side by side.
:2) an evidentiary approach, in which evidence is provided which leads to two different conclusions.
:3) an explanatory approach, in which neutral facts are provided, and the respective interpretations of those facts are given side by side.
obviously the last one has become a point of contention.  why is it pov?  Ungtss 13:14, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

message: The biggest problem with this proposal is that "side-by-side" debates don't make any sense in the context of providing a truly NPOV environment. This is the old "false dichotomy" problem. For example, if a group of people believe that evidence points to homoeopathy being correct and another group points to distance healing, both groups are making testable claims that counter each other. In other words, it's not just science that disagrees with homeopathy, for example, it's also distance healing. To make it out to be a "debate" is to give unwarranted legitimacy to groups that think they are the only alternative way to approach the subject.
The fact is that science is done as a collective, worldwide endeavor and that the majority of "debates" about it have no place in an article that proports to take an NPOV stance since by setting up the "debate" in the first place, the POV stance is taken that the debate has legimate merit in the first place. Joshuaschroeder 05:05, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: problems with this proposal

message: don't you? CheeseDreams 22:02, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: any interest in the facts?  the page was written almost exclusively by barnaby dawson, who is definitely not a creationist.  Ungtss 22:08, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I find it odd that its only Creationists supporting this
Talk:Lathyrus sativus

message: This species has so many common names worldwide that I think it most appropriate   that it be listed under its botanical name --nixie 13:28, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

message: Would it not be prudent to mention it is poisonous if eaten over a long period somewhere near the top of the page? Perhaps next to where it says "human consumption".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.12.32 (talk) 16:26, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a food, but it is a dangerous food to eat for a prolonged period, and the current volume of research frequently deals with this aspect of the plant, so, per your comments, I added a sentence to the introductory paragraph. Feel free to edit it yourself. --AfadsBad (talk) 23:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poisonous?? 

message: It would be a worthy goal of the International Year of Pulses if resources could be brought to breeding types of this food crop without the toxins.  Lathyrus sativus without toxin could reduce hunger and protein deficiency in the Third World. Nuggets of Knowledge (talk) 09:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Year of Pulses 

message: Can anyone explain the relevance of the link to Kinako under See also? OK, so it is another flour from a legume, but other than that I think it should be deleted. JeremyCherfas (talk) 09:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also
Talk:Mason Jennings

message: I'm not sure what " These young artists must follow Jennings' prove their merits " is supposed to say. If I did then I'd fix it! 
--Ian 14:28, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Dhu al-Kifl

message: I removed this text from the article:
:[Ezekiel was] a contemporary of Ilyas (Elijah). He was a pious and well-respected man living during the reign of a particularly tyrannical king who tried to kill many prophets. Ezekiel was responsible for saving the lives of many of them, and his name means savior or protector. (However note that this information does not agree with what the Jewish/Christian Bible has to tell about Ezekiel; according to the Bible Ezekiel lived some centuries after Elija(Ilyas) and it was Elija, not Ezekiel, who saved the lives of the prophets.)
I'm not sure I follow this. Is Ezekiel mentioned elsewhere in the Quran? If not, what is the source for the idea that he was a contemporary of Elijah's? - Nat Krause 15:05, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the dates. Ezekiel was around 600 B.C. - not 1600.Somaeye (talk) 07:44, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Talk:Joe Kernan (politician)

message: Somebody please watch this and revert the horrible wording someone keeps trying to add. I've reached three reverts so unless someone else reverts, it's stuck like this until tomorrow. Everyking 15:34, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Category talk:Ko-ryū bujutsu

message: It would be nice if people would add only styles that can be verified as koryu in this category. I don't think that Bujinkan/Jinenkan/Genbukan/neo-ninja/Bullshido cruft or articles about fictional anime fighting styles qualify. Thanks, jni 16:29, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rant about this category
Talk:List of the priors of Saint John of Jerusalem in England

message: This list may not be that reliable - I believe that Nelson (1811), from where I derived most of this - obtained it from a 14th century handwritten document, possibly based on obituary dates. Rellis1067 16:54, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think Ralph de Diva is another name for Rodolphus De Dyna, the 3rd prior? Green-Curtain (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]
Talk:Jack Vance

message: I just noticed that the LA Times obit quotes John Vance as saying his father never graduated, which contradicts this article.  I thought he said in his memoir that he graduated, too, but don't own a copy.  Can anyone confirm that?  Laura Scudder | talk 14:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone have This is Me on hand? 

message: Just noticed this excellent mystery by Jack Vance isn't listed anywhere among his works.  Is it listed under an alternate title? Saratoga Sam (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The View from Chickweed's Window 

message: Cugel is a complete rogue, who is nevertheless worthy of sympathy in always failing to achieve his goals.[17]
This statement is inaccurate. At the end of "Cugel's Saga", Cugel has achieved wealth and power, having destroyed Iucounu, his nemesis. 
There is also a massive inconsistency between the two Cugel novels. In "The Eyes of the Overworld", it is Cugel's trespass into Iucounu's mansion that initiates their conflict, and  Cugel's nasty situation at the conclusion, is caused not by the then helpless Iucounu's malice, but by Cugel's misuse of Iucounu's magic. Yet in "Cugel's Saga", the reader is told that it had been Ioucounu's malice that was the cause, not Cugel's incompetence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.80.151.228 (talk) 04:59, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the latter is to be taken as from Cugel's self-serving point of view, Vance writing in the third-person subjective narrative form.137.205.183.109 (talk) 14:10, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cugel Victorious  

message: Most of the numerous Vance titles I own have JV born in 1920.  I'll respect the comment to the contrary in the lead, but in view of the ambiguity it would be good to have a reference for the 1916 date.  I've noted that it often appears as 1920 Chrismorey (talk) 06:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: The word "Lurulu" also occurs in one of Vance's early SF stories reprinted in the Spatterlight complete edition. It joins "Araminta" and "blue ruin" as a word/phrase that appears repeatedly in Vance's oeuvre but not necessarily with the same meaning in all instances.
It isn't clear to me that this idiosyncrasy in Vance's writing is worth remarking on in the main Wikipedia article, but perhaps others have other opinions. If it's thought important, I can dig out the exact, early reference to "Lurulu." Floozybackloves (talk) 00:45, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lurulu (and a couple of other favorite words of Vance) 
Talk:Medieval technology

message: Just a quick note to whoever keeps reverting the article to refer to Leonardo da Vinci as simply "da Vinci": that is not Leonardo's surname, any more than "of Nazareth" was Jesus's surname. This whole nonsense started with Dan Brown. The proper way to refer to him is either as Leonardo or Leonardo da Vinci. Mpaniello (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source to back up your assertion?  Toddst1 (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

text: So your argument is that Da_Vinci_(disambiguation)#People_with_the_surname is wrong as well?  Toddst1 (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

text: You are not paying attention.  I don't know what your obsession over Dan Brown is about (nor particularly care), but there are demonstrably numerous institutions and entities named "da Vinci" or "Da Vinci" (however much you hate the capitalization), predating Brown by years or decades.  Obviously you don't like it, but WP:COMMONNAME is governed by the most common usage in English language sources generally, not by the most common usage in art history books solely.  Right now, you are edit warring, and that must stop.  You are also engaging in ad hominem attacks against other editors, and that also must stop.  You are also failing to obtain a consensus for your POV, and you are required to do that.   Ravenswing      00:51, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Toddst1, not quite sure what this is a response to, certainly not my point. This is entirely a matter of correct and accepted usage, not meaning or grammar. Ravenswing seems to think that you agree that "da Vinci" can and indeed should be treated as a surname, like Erikson. I can't see that you've said that. Do you in fact agree with this? Johnbod (talk) 01:16, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Da Vinci is NOT a Surname 

message: add a short description . lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 13:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: revist when the page isn't protected anymore - and I suggest you maintain the same spelling as the article name, can't see why you want to override the existing wikidata short description with an alt spelling. I did remove the "the" on Q3180036 though. — xaosflux Talk 14:43, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Xaosflux: because wikidata short descriptions don't show up on wiki, and the alternate spelling was just a typo. anyway, imported the description. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 06:51, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 29 June 2022
Talk:Kinchega National Park

message: The location of the park is noted as being: Approximately 110 South East of Broken Hill)., unfortunately it doesn't state whether this is 110 miles, 110 kilometers, 110 leagues, or 110 attoparsecs, etc. Thryduulf 18:11, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Talk:Jackie Stallone

message: From where did she get her degree?
:She is not licensed to practice medicine in DC, NY or CA. Questors 23:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1930 Census has her age as 9; a 1923 passenger list says her birthdate is Nov. 29, 1921. Questors 23:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: She was on the Howard stern show talking about child abuse so maybe that should be put in ChesterTheWorm (talk) 18:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Abused as a child?

message: Nothing about her face? It's not even a bad thing, it's highly characteristic and part of her image.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.120.68.238 (talk) 10:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Face 

message: https://variety.com/2020/film/obituaries-people-news/jackie-stallone-dead-sylvester-stallone-mom-1234778583/
According to Frank Stallone, she died in her sleep. Can that be mentioned? MikaelaArsenault (talk) 10:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? We don't need every detail of the death of any subject, especially when they're not notable for dying. Praxidicae (talk) 11:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

text: The change was made by an IP user here. Best, — Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 16:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death 

message: yes  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:4802:2E10:1253:0:0:0:2 (talk) 14:50, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  w
Talk:Greylisting (email)

message: Article doesn't mention why triplets are needed.  Really, greylisting only weeds out servers that aren't running RFC-compliant mail servers.  Therefore, the IP address would be the most important factor to store in a DB.  Once the server A has proven that it is capable of resending greylisted email from user1 to user10 on server B, why continue punishing it when user2 wants to send mail through server A to user11 on serverB?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.134.148 (talk) 05:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why triplets?

message: The article mentions storing triplets but doesn't say what this data is used for.  Could someone add this? Nate 19:25, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was added since. -79.180.25.233 (talk) 13:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Defition of triplets

message: The article says "the word is spelled 'graylisting' in North America", but I'm not sure this is true.  Most of the U.S. sources I've seen use "greylisting", as the article does.  Google reports 234,000 hits for "greylisting" vs. 9,340 for "graylisting" -- compare this to 56 million for "grey" vs. 114 million for "gray".
Do we have a source for the "North American spelling" claim?  If not, I'd like to remove it.  
--67.188.121.29 09:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, I'm active on several mailing lists frequented by Americans and have never seen it called "graylisting" (except maybe by novice admins who don't know any better). Zerbey 17:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  North American spelling 

message: This section near the end is partially duplicating earlier information. Needs some editing.
"Greylisting will cause longer delivery delays if the sender has a large infrastructure and is sending from a different IP when it retries. However this technically breaks SMTP protocol rules, since delivery is the responsibility of the sending server and its associated IP address, ..."
-- Dougher (talk) 02:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication 

message: On 8 August 2012, User:Bwrs requested quotation and full citation on the alleged breakage that using pools of sending server would cause (Do the RFCs expressly state this, and if not, then how clearly do the RFCs imply it?).  Those paragraphs were added on 14 December 2010 and 1st November 2010‎ in two different subsections, by "212.21.120.10" (an address of a large ISP in Berkshire, UK).  That author argues that using a pool of servers would break some unspecified RFC.  Besides being redundant, those paragraphs are false.  I'll remove both.
ale (talk) 11:12, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pools of sending machines
Talk:Blood alcohol test assumptions

message: This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Blood alcohol test assumptions.  The consensus was to merge it.  dbenbenn | talk 16:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

message: *If I don't hear any feedback or objections in the next little while, I'd like to merge the useful content here into the blood alcohol content article.  It seems unecessarily complicated to separate the two articles, and this material seems to be a proper subsection of the BAC article.  Merging would probably also ameliorate any POV concerns. --TenOfAllTrades 19:58, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge to [[Blood alcohol content]]
Talk:TATA box

message: We are planning to edit this page for our class.  We are updating the discovery, sequence/structure, mutations, and relationship to the prokaryotic structure along with a new figure to represent the TATA box better.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Foleyha/sandbox . Luttysar (talk) 18:45, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Course assignment in progress

message: question - what is meant by melting DNA?
'Melting DNA' is to make it single stranded by breaking the hydrogen bonds that join the 2 strands. 'Tm' is known as the melting temperature, that is the point at which 50% of the previously double stranded DNA molecules have become single stranded . 
Also, i know it's a consensus sequence but is the most commonly used sequence not TATAA/TA? Matt
:The name melting is used because heat is required to disrupt the (comparatively weak) hydrogen bonds. I think they used this because in their labs, they were "cooking" cell extracts with heat, perhaps in water bath or whatever was used back then (would be nice if wikipedia could include much more fotographs). 194.166.102.124 (talk) 10:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melting? 

message: I'm not knowledgeable in this area, but a glance around at some literature suggests that usually the TATA box is distinguished from the Pribnow box (even though it looks to me like the Pribnow consensus, TATAAT, is an extension of the typical TATA sequence, TATAA).  Apparently the Pribnow is in prokaryotes, occurring 10 bases upstream of transcription start, whereas the "TATA box" is in eukaryotes and occurs ~25 bases upstream.  If this is correct, the article should reflect these things (and reference the Pribnow box article). -R. S. Shaw 20:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pribnow box? 

message: Hate to be picky, but I've read the DNA is bent 80 degrees, not 90...
  most sources it is Active contributor 03:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bending? 

message: I'm pretty sure to have heard that the Transcription Factor II-D has been proven to be the TATA Binding Protein TBP.. Right?
:TFIID is a multi-protein complex which contains TBP as one of its components - Zephyris Talk 21:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is correct what Zephyris wrote. TBP belongs to TFIID. The whole TFIID complex is larger than TBP alone, so TBP alone can not equal TBP. Look at drawings of the TFIID complex, i.e. in books like "cell biology". 194.166.102.124 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 10:37, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  TBP the same as TFIID? 

message: The histone sentence and title seems to have little to do with the rest of the article to a layman's eye. Could someone who is more sure add some type of clarification to connect the subject with the article, or remove it all together? --Bobo the Talking Clown (talk) 01:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant Stuff
Talk:Audio commentary

message: There was no talk page entry created at the time that I can see here. 
These flags are already nine years old, with no end in sight, because if this were a more serious Wikipedia topic, very little of this content would make the cut. 
It just happens that in the film industry, audio commentary is inherently fandom facing, and what we naturally have here is a (mildly) curated listicle of prominent fandom landmarks. 
I'm not opposed to a few excursions into fancruft where the page content is matched to the subject matter. I personal enjoy encountering a few of these pages, out on the fringes. 
But I wonder if Wikipedia culture will ever evolve to where someone has the gonads to admit that this is at least minimally tolerated (in rare, appropriate instances), and knock down these derelict, tumbleweedy page flags. 
Note that you can find many examples in human culture where a formal sign is erected "we do not approve" and underneath is scrawled "unless you do it under a formal sign stating that we do not approve, in which case, you may proceed to act as you always have, anyway". — MaxEnt 17:01, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's disappointing to see articles with tags that old. Instead of editors addressing the issues head on, they just add more and more content, with no end in sight. Audio commentaries are kinda fancruft in nature, with editors wanting to add their own personal favorites, without adding a reliable source. I tackled the tags, and removed a lot of OR, and excessive intricate details that can never be sourced. I also archived threads on this talk page that were were 14-18 years old. I'll attempt to keep an eye on the article for future issues. ⋆｡°✩🎃✩°｡⋆  Isaidnoway (talk)  22:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flagged as personal essay / OR since 2009
Talk:Ivy Club

message: He hated the clubs. This will be footnoted soon in this entry.SLY111 (talk) 17:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Woodrow Wilson
Category talk:Nauru stubs

message: * I can't imagine any articles ever falling under this catagory. It seems EXTREMELY narrow of a subject. See also Template:Nauru-stub --InShaneee 20:57, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There are two reasons for adding this stub as well:
# A number of editors of geographical articles search for stubs to expand primarily on the type of item rather than location.
# It is easier for WP:WSS to judge if and when a separate Nauru-geo-stub will be needed. 
Grutness...wha? 04:24, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Oceania-geo-stub
Template talk:Nauru-stub

message: * Can't see how that many articles, if any, would ever use this template. See also :Category:Nauru-related_stubs --InShaneee 21:02, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled comments 

message: User:InShaneee put the tfd message on this stub yesterday (but didn't list it here), saying in the template talk: Can't see how that many articles, if any, would ever use this template.
*Since then, I've added 20 articles to this template (if I'd known it existed earlier i would have put them in earlier), and there are quite a few more to add. Keep.  Grutness|hello?  10:00, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Nauru-stub]]
Talk:Biu–Mandara languages

message: Shouldn't pages like this be moved to Biu-Mandara languages? It isn't like it would start with quotes like some of the subclassifications would. Wikiacc 21:27, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and have done some of them. - Mustafaa 23:30, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

message: The lists List of "A" Biu-Mandara languages and List of "B" Biu-Mandara languages under this article are branched out to a ridiculous extent. I've added merge proposals to them and their subpages. Melchoir 04:28, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree. The huge tree makes no sense until we have more content in this area. — mark ✎ 18:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll do the merges now. Melchoir 23:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 
Template talk:Postmodernism

message: Hi, can we added Deconstructivism (particularly architecture) to the template? It's become a big school of thought in architecture - or more precisely - the surface appearance of deconstructivism has become a trend in architecture. --Mcginnly 16:49, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deconstructivism

message: That will say "preceded by Premodernism". —User 000 name 21:56, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modernism template?
Talk:Kudurru

message: from VfD:
This page was created by an anon contributor and filled out only with the word 'faggot'. This is not an encyclopaedia article and, thus, should be deleted. --Neigel von Teighen 22:09, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

message: Would it be appropriate to specify that the Akkadian plural was kudurrêti, and that the word also meant “offspring”? (According to Georges Roux in his book La Mésopotamie, Paris: Seuil, 1990, p. 290 and p. 516.)
CielProfond (talk) 22:14, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plural and meanings