Talk:Clan MacNeacail

message: This page needs quite a bit of work.  Some of the source material is way off, and it keeps creeping back as authoritative here.
The authoritative history of the Clan is "The Highland Clan MacNeacail (MacNicol)" by Sellar and Maclean.  It has debunked much of the information written about the Clan.
I don't believe the Clan to have been a sept because it had its own Chief, and indeed still has.
It needs information on the surnames associated with it reinstated too - the term 'Clan MacNicol' started out when a completely unrelated Clan Nicolson claimed the entire clan as their own at the Lord Lyons Court.  The Skye Nicolsons had to register under a separate name.  So most of the members are called Nicolson, Nicholson, Nicoll, Nicholl and so on.  That's useful information for readers to know.
Keeswiki 15:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Slightly mixed up

message: Although I can see a lot of work has gone into this, I fear that the article has become unbalanced as a result: Mr O'Hart's speculations now take up about half the page. Could I suggest that something along the lines of the following be inserted somewhere in the article instead (perhaps in the "tradition" subsection of the "Early history" section)? "The MacNeacails were among the families whom the Irish genealogist John O'Hart traced back to Adam and Eve via the early kings of Ireland." 45ossington (talk) 08:03, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sellar mentions O'Hart in a footnote on page 35 of his book:  The mentioned The Clan Nicolson is by J.G. Nicolson, published in 1938.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:46, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

text: I think a page like that is more suitable on Wikisource.Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:39, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  O'Hart genealogy 

message: The assertion that the MacNeacail clan "owned" the "Earldom of Ness" is unsourced and seems inherently unlikely. And a Google Books search for "Earldom of Ness" results only in a single hit - the Celtic Magazine in 1881; where and what was it? 45ossington (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure, but the quote about the sarcophagus just above that note is from the New Statistical Account of Scotland article on Kincardine (search "Loellin" in GoogleBooks and you'll find it). The note mentions Tarbat Ness, a place thought to be the site of a battle fought at 'Torfness' between Thorfinn the Mighty and Karl Hundason (=Macbeth?). I'm not sure the 'Earldom of Ness' mentioned in this book has anything to do with the MacNicols. Maybe Daniel was thinking of Ness on Lewis, and figured the MacNicols were seated there at one point? Either way I don't see any evidence of a reliable source supporting a MacNicol/'Earldom of Ness' connection.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 10:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Earldom of Ness" 

message: Sellar noted that "there is no reason to believe that Andres Nikolasson was in any way related to the Skye Nicolsons, and every reason to believe the contrary. For Andres Nikolassen, see inter alia, P.A. Munch, Det Norske Folks Historie iv, pt. 1 (1858), pp. 451, 454-455, and 478. I am indebted to Dr. Barbara Crawford, University of St. Andrews, for this last reference." 
Here's the Munch book: . I can't read Norwegian, and the script makes it hard to copydown and translate. But from Googling about a bit, it seems to me that Andres died in 1273 while on Crusade. For example, here's an old French book on Scandinavian taking part in the Crusades: . It states that, while in the service of the Norwegian king, Andres had 'a long stay' in France (p.350); and that he and a 'brother Maurice' journeyed to the east, but Andres died of fever in 1273 (p 358). This webpage looks like a reliable source: . It states that when Andres died, he was the last of his line (as a son of Nikolas Pålsson, son of Pål Vågaskalm). On page 478 of Munch, I can make out the name "Nikolas Paalsson"; and in the last bit about Andres on that pag, I can make out "Palaestina" and "Broder Mauritius" in a relation to the year "1273". So it seems to me that Andres was in the Norwegian service after the Isles were ceded to Norway, and that he is regarded to have left no male descendants when he died on Crusade in 1273.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:21, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Please stop reverting then.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 23:09, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andres Nikolasson 

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