Talk:Palmistry

message: I added the NPOV tag because this article is a disgrace. Anyone coming to read this would think that it's 100% completely real and legit and scientific even. It needs massive improvement. DreamGuy 15:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It exists. We can describe it. Do you actually understand that an encyclopedia consists of descriptions of things and not your opinion about them? Catherineyronwode (talk) 20:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV tag

message: The research cited looks dubious.  If it's not from a peer-reviewed journal, then nobody is checking up on it, and the author can say whatever he feels like.  It really should not be counted as credible scientific research.
Unfortunately, peer reviewed journal are (very nearly) never available to the public for free.  Either you can go to the library of a university and, from their computers, access the articles via the university's paid account; Or you can try www.scholar.google.com.  On Google Scholar, often the abstract will give you the basic results of the experiment, and sometimes you'll even get lucky and find the full text for free.
The reason I looked at the research to begin with was that the following sentence worried me: "Although some interesting correlations have been found, these were usually not considered very significant."  Psychologists use the word "significant" in the statistical sense - they say that findings are significant when there is <.05 probability that they are due to chance, given the sample size.  The phrase "very significant" uses the word "significant" in the everyday sense, since it does not make sense to say "very" when you are talking about statistical significance.  So I'm left wondering -- were the results statistically significant or weren't they?
The 2nd of the 3 paragraphs under the heading "Science and Skeptics" should be taken out until we can get some real, peer-reviewed research on the topic.  I don't want to snip it based solely on my opinion, but if someone else agrees, then maybe they should go ahead and take it out.
I have removed all of the unsupported claims in the science and skeptics section. If someone wants to put them back in they need to provide citations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.116.102 (talk) 02:15, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The psychology "research" cited 

message: Should we bring to life the bible misquotation of Job 37:7 or Proverbs 3:16?
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/palm.htm
The quotes are clearly taken out of context. Job 37:7 ("sealeth up the hand of every man: that all men may know his work") refers to the lord binding the hands of the people, i.e. stop them from working in the winter to witness the lord's work, while Proverbs 3:16 ("length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour") was a simple colloqialism.
Removed quote from Proverbs.  Irrelevant and taken out of context.
Original context can be read here:  (Proverbs 3)http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+3&version=KJV
Beginning with the verse : "My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments"
It is ironic that one would quote from this book to promote or in any way be related to Palmistry as
the bible condemns such actions (often to the point of death...)
one of many exaples would be (Ezek. 13)http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+13-15&version=NIV  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoaw (talk • contribs) 13:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bible Misquote 

message: The very famous philosopher and mystic, Pythagoras, is said to have played a part in the massive spread and interest in palm reading. He is best known as the "Father of Numbers". In his book entitled Physiognomy & Palmistry, he discusses palm reading and places the practices roots back to 497 B.C.
This is ridiculous for a number of reasons. First of all, the sentence is lifted wholesale from the online palmreading(!) page it cites as a reference. At the very least it should be in quotes as not to be plagiarism. The tone is ludicrous: "the very famous philosopher and mystic", there are gramatical errors. 
But most of all, the sentence is just plain wrong. Pythagoras didn't write any "books" or iof he did, none survived, everything known about Pythagors is second hand tradition. These non-existant books certainly couldn't be used to "date" the practice of palimstry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by A2800276 (talk • contribs) 10:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are there no surviving ancient European texts on palmistry? One reason might be the powers of censorship and book-burning given to the Christian church after their religion was made official by Constantine, together with the later ban (on pain of death) on teaching by non-Christians. These sufficed to eradicate all knowledge of the Egyptian, Babylonian and Etruscan languages, so it is not surprising that texts on the the "seven forbidden arts" failed to survive. Some Chinese emperors did the same thing, and foreign missionaries carried on this work into the nineteenth century. NRPanikker (talk) 00:25, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pythagoras 

message: Palmistry is intuitive and widely used. Google search says 92k results for Chiromancy, 330k results for "palm reading" and 1.06 million for palmistry. So moving article to Palmistry would be appropriate. Agel to alive (talk) 09:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Chiromancy doesn't even there in english dictionary of firefox browser, while palmistry is there. If there is no response in talk page i will list it in "Requested Moves". Thanks. Agel to alive (talk) 07:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I have listed move request in Wikipedia:Requested moves, if once moved by admin, the action can be reverted by normal users. That is the article can be moved back to Chiromancy from Palmistry by normal user. Agel to alive (talk) 08:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  move to palmistry 

message: Why is there nothing here about the Lash of Thanatos? Lampman (talk) 01:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lash of Thanatos 

message: This article claims that Valmiki wrote a book about palmistry 5,000 years ago. The article on Valmiki, however, says he lived in 400 BCE, which by my math is 2,400 years ago. 5,000 years would have Valmiki writing his book just about the time writing was being invented in Sumeria, about a thousand miles from where Valmiki lived.
The claim about China 3,000 years ago is also dubious... I see it's already been flagged for citation.
I am removing these clearly inflated numbers, though I will leave the supposed progression from Valmiki to China to Greece. (I am skeptical of that progression as well, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.) 67.59.53.158 Dausuul (talk) 12:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  5,000 YA?! 

message: The science and criticism section says this...There has been little widely accepted research verifying palmistry's accuracy as a system of character analysis, and so far no conclusive evidence has been provided to support a connection between the lines of the palm and a person's character beyond what could be deduced from analyzing that the person suffered from a chromosomal disorder or belonged to a certain statistical group based on their digit ratio. No conclusive data have yet been found to support the claims made by hand readers with respect to life expectancy or personality type.
This is fine but really needs some sort of citation.  When you call something quackery, it may be very true but needs some sort of citation. 
 Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 16:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation needed 

message: I could not help but notice that this article is woefully bereft of criticisms of palmistry. Although I am in support of its practice, this seems unfairly slanted. Perhaps if somebody could find a bit more, maybe on the topic of religious controversy and taboo, it would seem fairer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.125.143 (talk) 02:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section lacking 

message: The way the article reads now, it would appear as if only a small minority of skeptics object to chiromancy claims.  Chiromancy/palmistry is a pseudoscience, at best, and the article desperately needs revisions to make the POV more neutral.
In anticipation of a request for citations supporting my assertion of palmistry's wide perception as pseudoscience, here is the first result from a cursory search through peer-reviewed literature for 'palmistry'. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09500690050166724 --Genya Avocado (talk) 19:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dire need for balanced POV 

message: I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
::This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:
::#There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved
::#It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given
::#In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing POV tag with no active discussion per [[Template:POV]] 

message: What shocks me about this article is the way that this topic (palmistry) has been shamelessly analyzed and presented as though it were an article about something proven and concrete, like medicine, or material science. It is not. The fact that palmistry is of debatable value, that there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support the conclusions of palmistry, or that this is merely a technique based on the two principles of probability and human weakness and gullibility should have been clearly highlighted. Instead the article is an elucidation on things like the mounds and lines of the hand and an elaboration of the techniques and intricacies of palmistry. There is a small section, about 3 lines, of criticism, and appears to have been put in, apologetically, by somebody whose head is firmly screwed on his / her shoulders. The references are all books or resources about palmistry, none questioning the very validity of this unproven technique. All in all, this article is a biased one written by, and further edited by promoters and believers of palmistry. That is not too great a surprise, as most of the resources one can randomly find on the internet talk about palmistry, rather than attack this technique with hard hitting questions. This article is simply an extension of that. Artaxerxes07 (talk) 01:57, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sooooo.... it needs editors with a neutral POV to add properly referenced criticism of the practice. Feel free - that's how Wikipedia works. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 23:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I came here because I had heard from a credible source that looking at palms is used as a valid medical diagnostic tool - not to predict the future. Apparently some medical conditions show up there. But I have not been able to find it here or in the German section, wouldn't know how it's called. The source has made me curious and I hope somebody will know more about that - and post it here. 121.209.56.202 (talk) 03:04, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questioning the validity of palmistry 

message: Information critical of palmistry should be spread throughout the article. We should take the stance that since palmstry is obvious pseudo-science, information critical of its claims should be in every part of the article (balanced sourced and within reason) See faq on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:HomeopathyEdaham (talk) 03:44, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section not required 

message: Palmistry markings are positive or negative interruptions and blockages in the normal flow of the palm lines, mounts and fingers. They can indicate warnings of difficulties, separations, traumatic events or health problems. Some markings may indicate a period of recovery, problem resolution, or an emotional healing period. Their meanings are dependent upon where they are located on the palm, as each area on the palm represents a different part of your life. Listed below are the important markings that can appear on the palm of the hand:
Breaks going toward the thumb can indicate a new direction in a career. Breaks going in the upward direction toward the edges of the hand suggest an unexpected journey. If they are pointing to the base of the palm this can mean an unexpected turn in your daily routine. These breaks can indicate that there is an interruption in one’s normal flow of energy or signify a redirection in one’s life path.
Chains represent the many different obstacles one may face in life. They can signify a difficult or not so privileged upbringing. Also, they may relate to experiences in a person’s love life. Chains are also representative of times of indecisiveness or they can indicate problems in the area of health. The length of the chain correlates to the duration of time that all of these issues may last.
Crosses are an indication of long-lasting problems. They also represent changes in one’s life. Depending on where they appear on the palm, they can be an indication of positive or negative changes. They may represent outside influences that may be causing stress. They can be indicators of how one is handling their spiritual side of life and mental state of being.
Dots are not always well pronounced on the palm because they can be very tiny. Dots can represent concerns about ill health, relationships or another type of experience. They can also represent significant and monumental events that have created crisis in a person’s life or they might be warning signs of danger in an individual’s life path. Dots have been known to disappear when unfortunate circumstances and issues are solved.
Grilles appear most often on the mounts. They signify negative indications and represent problems and adjustments. A grille on any part of the palm disperses energy. A grille may represent bewilderment and insecurity at times in one’s life. Grilles signify interruptions in a person’s advancement. 
Islands indicate interruptions in life that are not favorable. Usually, they indicate stressful periods, either brought on by a career or someone causing one mental stress. They can also indicate fearfulness and weakness in health, in particular, inherited heart disease or a disturbance of one’s energy. It is important to look closely at the island to be sure that it does end and the lines continue.
The letter “M” in palmistry is a rare but recognized marking. It is when the major lines cross over in the center of the palm. It is formed by the heart line, head line and life line. This is believed to be good fortune bestowed on the individual. Also, it is an indication of a person with good intuition. People who have this marking are also known to be trustworthy, and they make generally good companions and business associates.
Squares are usually a positive sign on the palm and indicate protection, especially when they appear around line breaks. They can symbolize good luck from outside forces, for example, one’s guardian angel. At times, a square can represent a time of being boxed in or imprisonment if it rests on a line that has no break in it.
Stars on the palm usually indicate success and good fortune in the area they appear. However, a star appearing on the life line can represent turmoil. If a star is found at the end of a line, it can indicate fame, notoriety and great accomplishments. It can also indicate success in one’s relationships. When found in some areas, the star can signify misfortune. It can also signify emotional problems and lack of confidence in one’s career.
Tassels, also known as frayed lines, when found on the palm indicate confusion or chaos about a particular situation or problem. They can also indicate a physical, emotional or spiritual decline. It is often found at the end of the life line as an individual ages.
Transverse markings are negative symbols. They take away the strength and deplete the positive energy of the line or mount they are found on. They create obstacles wherever they appear. It may also indicate that an individual may be using their skills for ill intentions.
Triangles are very lucky markings and indicate success. They signify that the individual has an ability to analyze situations effectively and has the brainpower to accomplish many things. When they appear on specific lines, they strengthen the qualities of that line. They can also be symbolic of someone who is spiritual or psychic.
A trident on the palm is a very lucky marking. It always increases the qualities of the lines or mounts it appears on. It can even have a positive effect on the neighboring mounts. It is believed to bring good fortune in threes and the person will be happy, healthy and wealthy in life.
The upward or branched lines can indicate that an individual has overcome some of life’s roadblocks through his or her own determination. They indicate someone who will be successful and achieve their goals. They can also indicate hopefulness and a good outlook on life. There is an idealistic and positive attitude associated with these lines.
The downward or branched lines can represent times in which a situation has gotten out of control for the person. They can indicate pessimism, unhappiness, negative energy and losses. They can also signify someone who does not think in a positive way. Depending from which line the downward lines appear it lessens the strength of that line and drains its energy.
Sources: Palmistry Markings and Meanings. (n.d.). Retrieved October 19, 2020, from https://psychiclibrary.com/palmistry-markings-meanings/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hope.seevers2021 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Markings 

message: Name Naghma tahir what about feeture 2400:ADC1:10C:6700:4975:227D:DAC9:7210 (talk) 11:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:   Date of birth 8 February 1961