Talk:Somerset Levels

message: The Bronze Age should precede the Iron Age, though I know nothing of the local archaeology in the Levels. --10:36, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Human habitation

message: Shouldn't it be pollarding rather than coppicing that is 'cutting back to the main stem'? Backdooruk 16:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think coppicing is correct and the description perhaps unclear? 80.42.11.240 23:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps, however though no longer harvested, most willows on the levels are currently pollarded. Backdooruk 22:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Willow

message: In the sea defences a "clyst" is mentioned. What is a clyst? --Cheesy Mike 16:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it must be a local term for a dam or sluice gate but I can't find any sources for it.— Rod talk 16:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I now have a copy of  from the library & it talks about "clyses" (the local name for a sluice) (p72) therefore I will change this (& reference).— Rod talk 10:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clyses is the pural, the singular is Clyse. Williams, Michael (1970). The Draining of the Somerset Levels. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. The local definition for a tidal sluice. It also appears in Devon, e.g. Clyse Honiton, Clyse Hydon, Clyse St George, Clyse St Lawrence & Clyse St Mary. Pyrotec 17:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just browsing maps and found Stoke Clyce, ST 457 487 on the Axe. I can't tell from the map if there is a structure here, but it too far inland to be tidal. This spelling does seem to provide  online references to sluices, so this would seem to be an alternative spelling.--Derek Andrews 22:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it on the map. Its not tidal now, but in the 12th century the River Axe was navigable to Glastonbury - there are records. Williams (1970) mentions drainage of the Axe valley, 1770-1810, and there are footnotes about Enclosure Acts mentioning sluices, cuts and rhynes. I suspect your clyce is defined in the Enclosure Acts for Stoke and Draycott Moors.Pyrotec 22:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clyst???

message: In a House of Commons debate on the Somerset levels it talks about "Two inland seas projects have been considered, involving low-level water-holding catchment areas, one covering 4,000 sq m, at the cost of £23,000, and the other covering some 75,000 sq m." (Column 298WH) - does anyone think this is miles or meters?— Rod talk 16:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Square miles seems huge, but at the same time in square metres the area looks tiny. There is some interesting context in this document - look at the stuff on "managed realignment". It gives much more information on the option to return part of the levels to the sea. --Cheesy Mike 17:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area of proposed inland seas 

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It would be realy good to have a map here to show the different rivers, places etc mentioned in the article. GB 08:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have the knowledge skills or software to do this, but I have made a request to User:SFC9394 who has kindly made a variety of maps for wikipedia articles I've been involved with which show the topography of he area. These include :Image:Mendip Hills Map.png which already covers some of the Levels area - so I'm hopeful that this may be possible.— Rod talk 09:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: I have placed the GA nomination of this article on hold. The quality of the article is good, but the lead paragragh seems poor, whilst many many facts in the article seem to go unreferenced (even though in parts of the article the referencing seems ok), there is no referencing on the size of the area. etc. Francisco Tevez 10:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments - I have reworded the lead & added references for various parts of the article including the area, Alfred the great & willow. Any further advice appreciated.— Rod talk 14:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article on hold 

message: The following rivers and drains: Oldbridge River, River Banwell, Lox Yeo, River Sheppey, Decoy Rhine, Whitelake, Pillrow Cut, North Drain, South Drain, Black Ditch, Eighteen Foot Rhine, Horsey Pill, Lopen Brook, Chinnock Water, Sedgemoor Old Rhine, Sowey River, Hamp Brook, Cobb's Cross Stream, North Moor Main Drain, Cannington Brook, River Yeo (Ivel), Bearley Brook, River Cam, Somerset are all redlinks on List of rivers of England. Perhaps they could be incorporated into this article as they may not be notable enough on their own.— Rod talk 07:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well a good portion of these are manmade. There is already a section on drainage - Somerset Levels#Drainage - if we are going to add all these, perhaps we should spilt drainage out into its own article and link it in back in using: . Pyrotec 08:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also added them to List of locations in the Somerset Levels when I tidied that list up.— Rod talk 19:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivers and Drains 

message: This article has now been a fairly stable Good Article for over two years and I am looking for ideas about what would be needed to get it to meet the Wikipedia:Featured article criteria? This is one part of the Featured topic about Physical geography of Somerset. The rules about FT's have changed and we need to get one of the GAs included in the topic up to FA status or the whole FT will be demoted to a Good topic. Any ideas appreciated.— Rod talk 21:02, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What else is needed to get this article to FA 

message: In the light of this bit of news I would suggest that the drainage section needs updating. --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 13:32, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Short paragraph added. Also updated Southlake Moor & Sowy River with same info.— Rod talk 19:55, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested update to drainage section 

message: The lead image isn't very good. Unfortunately the levels only form the foreground of the picture and the other half is dominated by a ridge that is anything but level I had a quick look on WIkimedia commons and couldn't see anything immediate, but there has to be a better image somewhere that we can use, ideally something that shows the levels going of for miles. --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 08:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is very difficult to effectively photograph flat ground going into the distance. The article does talk about the Polden Hills & other hills, but I've also looked and been unable to find a better photo.— Rod talk 09:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead image 

message: The article currently says "A Palaeolithic flint tool found in West Sedgemoor is the earliest indication of human presence in the area, dating from approximately 700,000 years ago."  The site in question is the Westbury cave at Westbury-sub-Mendip; I don't have access to much in the way of sources, but Fairweather Eden, by Michael Pitts & Mark Roberts, Arrow Books, London, 1998, , a book about the Boxgrove site, has a few pages on the cave.  They give some details about the finds and then say that the best date for Westbury is 524,000 to 478,000 years before the present -- a round number of 500,000 is probably fine for this article.  Page numbers for the reference are 121-123 and 131-132.  The reason for the redating is complicated but comes down to a correlation between various dating schemes, primarily the marine isotope stages, in which Westbury is placed in OIS 13.  I would also suggest referring to it as Westbury rather than West Sedgemoor -- the archaeological sources I've seen all refer to it as Westbury. Mike Christie (talk – library) 14:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the follow up on this - More could be added to the Westbury-sub-Mendip article, where detail may be more relevant than in this article.— Rod talk 15:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think that an article on Westbury cave could probably be written too.  For this article I think all that's needed is to change the date, use the new source, and change the name from West Sedgemoor to Westbury. Mike Christie (talk – library) 16:44, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy for the change to be made but could you do it as you obviously have access to the source and I don't.— Rod talk 16:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done; I took out a couple of the other refs -- nothing wrong with them, but not really needed, I think. Put them back if you think they add value. Mike Christie (talk – library) 17:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Westbury cave 

message: The map to right is a start at a location map of the settlements. I'm not sure what villages you'd want to include - just repeat the location map~ for each of them. The base map is for Somerset as a whole, I can make one more tightly focused on the levels if preferred.
Btw, I'm not sure of the point of some of those long lists of settlement, I'd just mention the ones with some significance - saying Westonzoyland is in the Levels isn't really that important IMO.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this - I'm going to take the liberty of editing it here (as I've never tried anything like this before) and get peoples comments before putting it into the article.— Rod talk 12:47, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Having added some of the key sites and think a more "tightly focused" one would be really useful.— Rod talk 18:07, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Base map now shows approximate area of levels (its a bit closer in than the topographic map, as that one needs the surrounding hills, this doesn't). The map at Lancashire#Demography provides an alternate way to do the labelling - if you want to make the towns more prominent than the villages for instance.--Nilfanion (talk) 19:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks I've now added all settlements with population over 1,500 using the format which puts the label next to the spot to address reviewers concern. I've used the sizes for label & dot but think I might need to make the largest ones smaller. I had to move some labels left to avoid them overlapping. Any further advice appreciated.— Rod talk 21:51, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is very helpful. The "on" of "Burnham-on-Sea" overlaps with the dot for Highbridge; could that perhaps be fixed by moving the inset image to the bottom left corner, moving the "Burnham-on-Sea" label to the left of the dot, and moving the "Highbridge" label to the right? Mike Christie (talk – library) 00:02, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tried labels left and right for these two & could reduce the font size for the label for Burnham-on-Sea, but I'm unable to move the inset map. If the map was to be larger in its presentation I would add the villages with between 1,000 & 15,000 population but I haven't included "historical features" which don't have population eg Hinkley Point, Athelney etc.— Rod talk 07:58, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Some places "not on levels" have been removed. I think this issue relates to what the levels actually cover (with no formal definitions) but I had also tried to include some places which are mentioned in the article & some to give context. It could be argued Cheddar, Axbridge, Welss etc are not on the levels but give context. I note the category has been removed from some of these articles, but I'm actually working from List of locations in the Somerset Levels - perhaps this list should be sorted first.— Rod talk 09:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be good to come up with a list of locations - but the ones I removed were clearly (to me) not on the levels. Ilchester was listed - which I can only assume was a mistake as it is miles away from the levels. Wedmore sits on top of a big ridge, albeit a ridge surrounded by levels (so perhaps it does belong). Cheddar, Glastonbury and Wells are all on the edge of the levels but I can see why they might be listed. I guess some consensus would be nice. --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 09:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would definately include Wedmore. Over and above the ones currently included, villages with between 1,000 & 1,500 are Mark (1,349), Brent Knoll (1,264), Meare (1,238), Bleadon (1,068), Langport (1,067), Kingsbury Episcopi (1,277). It may also be useful to add Dunball, Hinkley Point, Athelney etc which are mentioned in the article but wouldn't meet the population criteria & I'm not sure if we could use a different marker.— Rod talk 10:25, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can just about accept that Langport is on the edge of the levels, but not Kingsbury Episcopi. If you look at a topgraphical map of the area (or use local knowledge) then you'll know that the A378 runs roughly east/west along a ridge that defines the southern edge of the levels. Anything south of that can't be on the levels - unless I'm completely misunderstanding the boundaries of the area. The levels are huge and run from the southern ridge of the western end of the Mendips (i.e. South of Brean, Bleadon, Shute Shelve, Axbridge, Cheddar etc), are bisected east/west by the ridge that the A39 runs along from Ashcott to Bridgwater, and are then defined at their southern end by the previously mentioned ridge that the A378 runs along. Am I wrong? --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 10:51, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK strike Kingsbury, but perhaps we should be including other places included in the article but not on the map eg Burrowbridge, North Curry, (in fact that one should be in pop 1,625), Stoke St Gregory, Westhay, Bleadney, Rackley, Yeovilton, Aller, Burtle, Catcott, Chilton Polden, Cossington, Edington, Greinton, Lympsham, Mark, Meare, Middlezoy, Moorlinch, Othery, Pawlett, Puriton, Shapwick, Sharpham, Stawell, Weare, Wedmore, and Woolavington. What about sites such as the Battle of Sedgemoor, Glastonbury Lake Village, Meare Lake Village - but perhaps they need a different symbol - I am limited by not knowing what is possible with the map.— Rod talk 11:10, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the battle to demonstrate how to use alternate icons - there's a few on Commons. Some of the complications in the Burnham-on-Sea area could be helped by using the white background like in the first version. Also, increasing the width may help - 400px is OK, but wider may work better. Too wide is bad in its own way too.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:52, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I've tried a few icons, reduced dot size & font for the largest, added a few villages etc. I've avoided the numbered labels as User:Mike Christie said on the FAC "because the reader has to go back and forth between the caption and the map to understand the relative positions of the named places". Would moving the inset to bottom left be possible? Further ideas/edits welcome, but I would be happy to put this into the article soon.— Rod talk 21:13, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now put the map into the article. Thanks to everyone for contributions— Rod talk 10:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of settlements 

message: Please update the article regarding summer floods, the article describes annual winter flooding but weather pattern this year led to a summer flood. John a s (talk) 10:47, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi John a s, If you have appropriate sources you could always update the article yourself.— Rod talk 11:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012 summer flood 

message: A useful source for anyone who likes the odd DYK redlink challenge:  . Martinevans123 (talk) 23:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be interested in collaborating. There is an example in the Watchet Boat Museum and more info here & video here. It is also mentioned on the Bridgwater Bay article.— Rod talk 17:44, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks Rod, I'll take a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:40, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

text: There's also this 2008 The Daily Telegraph feature on Adrian Sellick by Adrian Tierney-Jones:  (which says it was also common in South Wales). There is also a paper by Martyn C. Brown in Folk Life - Journal of Ethnological Studies, Volume 18, 1980 , pp. 24-27(4): here but pay for view - this might be available via High Beam. This is another nice video:  from Terry Flaxton on YT. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mud horse fishing 

message: The article says that the Burnham Area Rescue Boat is funded by Somerset County Council. I thought it was purchased by charitable donation & run by the RNLI. Was this particular mission/function funded by the county council? if so does anyone have a reference saying this?— Rod talk 14:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  BARB funding 

message: What percentage of land is used for growing teazel? Unless it's a significant percentage I'm inclined to think it shouldn't be mentioned in the lead - it gives the impression it's more important than more usual arable crops. Also, with respect to teazel-growing, the article states that Fivehead is near Chard, which isn't really a credible statement. Chard isn't even in the Levels as far as I'm concerned. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teazel 

message: There's a good BBC News article which could provide a number of updates to this article.
Link
Including the new Somerset Rivers Authority. Argovian (talk) 11:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update on management since 2014 floods 

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