Talk:Marines' Hymn

message: What about the famous scurrilous verse?  This is so popular as to be almost official,
but I have refrained from putting it on the main page until someone concurs the profanity is appropriate.
From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli,
We have fucked the whores on foreign shores to prove our virility.
We use pro kits and rubber tips to keep our peckers clean;
Still we have the highest VD rate; we're United States Marines.
05:58, 31 January 2006 User:65.184.163.27
* Gee, do you think pissing off 200,000 Marines is a good idea?  Hey User:65.184.163.27 are you there?   I guess not.--96.244.247.130 (talk) 00:07, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: A mock version

message: "...which had its  début in Paris in 1859."
"....country's battles in the air, on land and sea..."
Huh?  Really?
Premonition?  Esp?
Hopiakuta 21:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The music premiered in 1859.  The words came later.  As noted in the Trivia section, "in the air" was added in 1942.
The tune is not the Gendarmes' Duet ("We run them in, we run them in") at all.  It is in march tempo.  The Gendarmes Duet is in 4/4, but in dotted rhythm. They both deserve separate entries, anyway.At http://millennium.fortunecity.com/redwood/352/usmc10.htm they seem to be saying that the Gendarmes' Duet was the source, but the words or the tune?  One man thought that they sounded similar.  And from that page, Mr Smith, who was himself a musician, comments: "I am informed, however, by one of the members of the band, who has a Spanish wife, that the aria was one familiar to her childhood and it may, therefore, be a Spanish folk song."   There is no direct evidence linking the two. There are plenty of examples of accidental duplication, right through the history of music.  Are we to conclude that Offenbach modelled his aria on a Spanish folk song?  There is as much evidence of that as there is of anything -- namely, no evidence at all.
I know the tune of the Marines Hymn well, and we are performing the English version of the Gendarmes' Duet tomorrow.Douglaid (talk) 08:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...which had its [[d%C3%A9but | début]] in [[Paris]] in 1859." 

message: Hi, y'all.
So, someone did some independent research, and posted about it.  He wrote, re. the attribution of the Halls of Montezuma to what the article currently says,
"I think Wikipedia is incorrect on this point. This search in Google Book Search demonstrates more convincingly that the reference is to the National Palace on the Zocalo."  And he links to http://books.google.com/books?q=%22halls+of+montezuma%22+national+palace&btnG=Search+Books, a book search, to support his point.
I'm not sure if that's the best way to do it, but it does indicate to me some disagreement in the literature with the conclusion reached, without discussion, in this article's opening para.
Does anyone have a reliable source that discusses this, and is this a real controversy or a non-one?~~
Eh Nonymous 09:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this wrong?  Re. halls of montezuma 

message: "The original lyrics in use from 1890 until 1919..."
There's no evidence here, or anywhere else that I can find, to show that the hymn existed in 1890. I have deleted the "1890" reference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhD (talk • contribs) 02:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "1890"? 

message: I'd like to point out that many countries and nations have marines, this hymn applies specifically to The United States Marine Corps, or USMC, and ought to be titled as such. I'm not sure how to implement this change however.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.211.193 (talk) 05:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of the song is the Marines' Hymn. There's no need to disambiguate that. For example, there are also many different republics in the world, but we don't need to add anything to Battle Hymn of the Republic, because that's what it's called. Other marine services may have songs to go along with them, but they have their own titles. This is the Marines' Hymn. Kafziel Complaint Department 06:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was always taught it was "Marine Corps Anthem." 65.102.29.32 (talk)A REDDSON  —Preceding undated comment added 18:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States Marine Corps 

message: "Some of the lyrics were popular phrases before the song was written. The line "To the shores of Tripoli" refers to the First Barbary War, and specifically the Battle of Derne in 1805. After Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon and his Marines hoisted the American flag over the Old World for the first time, the phrase was added to the battle colors of the Corps. "The Halls of Montezuma" refers to the Battle of Chapultepec, during the Mexican-American War, where a force of Marines stormed Chapultepec Castle."
Exactly what and where are the "Halls of Montezuma"? Which "Tripoli" is meant? This article is seriously defective. Furthermore, the articles on "Tripoli, Lebanon" and "Lebanon" are missing critical information.
Dagme (talk) 16:51, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you bother to read the linked articles? Montezuma refers to Chapultepec Castle, and the link to Tripoli is exactly that city. Where the heck does Lebanon come into play here? If the lyrics had referred to Tripoli, Lebanon, it would have linked there. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 19:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montezuma and Tripoli 

message: This claim appears at numerous websites. I find no corroboration of it in the Library of Congress copyright records. Nor did music historian James Fuld when he investigated the song's history. I have indicated as much in the text. If someone has documentary proof of thsi 1891 copyright, it should be sourced.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhD (talk • contribs) 23:49, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "1891 copyright"

message: I believe the lyrics to the British soccer songs are not appropriate for this page, citing WP:NNC.  The lyrics are perfectly notable, and appropriate, on the Manchester United and Sunderland articles, but they are WP:UNDUE content in this article.  The lyrics should go, although a mention that alternative lyrics for such British soccer teams do exist might be appropriate in this article.  --64.85.217.184 (talk) 08:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soccer lyrics [[WP:NNC]]? 

message: I understand that the Marines' Hymn was changed around World War II to reflect the advent of air power in the arsenal of the USMC.
The original lyrics:
*From the halls of Montezuma
*To the shores of Tripoli
*We will fight our country's battles
*On the land and on the sea
The revised lyrics (used today):
*From the halls of Montezuma
*To the shores of Tripoli
*We will fight our country's battles
*In the air, on land or sea
Could there be a mention of this change? Bill S. (talk) 14:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in 1940s to reflect new air power? 

message: regarding the extra lyrics...
"the Marines erected on Bougainville:
So when we reach the 'Isle of Japan'
with our caps at a jaunty tilt,
we'll enter the city of Tokyo
on the roads the Seabees built."
The Marines have a great appreciation and respect for almost all Naval personnel, even especially Seabees. However, I have sincere doubts any Marine(s) put up such a sign. More likely it was the Seabees themselves taking a shot at the Marines.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.20.2.26 (talk) 20:34, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Marines erected on Bougainville: - not very likely 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: http://www.marineband.marines.mil/About/Library-and-Archives/The-Marines-Hymn/ and http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/hrom/New-Employees/About-the-Marine-Corps/Hymn/ ,  both on the official USMC website, use "Marines' Hymn" as the title. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:39, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the hymn 

message: I don't think that Thomas Holcomb can be described as the author of the lyrics in the infobox. He authorised an amendment to the fourth line of the first verse in 1942, and didn't write that himself. I'll change the lyrics author to 'unknown', since that is in agreement with the Marines' own website. —BillC talk 00:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics