Talk:Lincoln Mark series

message: http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-Lincoln-Mark-X-Concept.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_MKX
There appear to be two very, very, very different concept cars with the name Mark X.  Will either or both actually be produced, and, if not, perhaps an explanation or somethin' about the Mark X coupe concept car would be relevant to this article.  I know I'd find it fascinating.  Anyone in the know? MrZaiustalk 14:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a coupe concept by Lincoln would be relevant to this article, but the Mark X you're refering to, which will carry the name MKX, is a crossover SUV which will be produced and sold for the 2007 model year and thus does not fit into this article. Thank you for your contributions. Regards, Signaturebrendel 05:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There were two different cars there.  The first link is to a coupe concept car that the site claims would have carried the name Mark X.  If anyone can verify/validate the source and explain why Lincoln chose not to implement the design, it would be relevant to the article.  Anyone know anything about it? MrZaiustalk 13:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Lincoln indeed had a Mark X concept coupe, but as the crossover SUV market looked better than the coupe market, Lincoln decided to give the MKX designation to the successor of the Aviator (previously known as the Aviator concept). Regards, Signaturebrendel 06:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MKX vs Mark X

message: The article states that the Mk VI design revisions were minor; this is wildly inaccurate as the Mark VI was moved onto an entirely new platform, the Panther as shared with the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis and eventually Town Car. The car shed nearly a thousand pounds curb weight due to this change; that's no "minor revision". --Mfree 15:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but the esthetical effect was minor. The Mark VII was completely new, the VI still looked like its predecessors, only a bit smaller. But if there isn't already add a mention that the vehicle was moved on to the Panther platform. Regards, Signaturebrendel 18:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true, stylistically the V and VI are quite similar. But to actually look up the specs you'll see that the VI is drastically downsized in the terms of the automotive world... 6" shorter wheelbase, 14" shorter overall, 500 pounds curb weight reduction (and 11 gallons less fuel, accounting for quite a bit more), etc. I will add the platform blurb, a link, and some note of dimensional shrinkage. --Mfree 15:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty that sounds good. BTW: I know they had to downsize the VI due to the then new Federal Fuel Economy Standards, the remark about minor revisions was in regards to esthetic changes only. Best Regards, Signaturebrendel 17:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark VI design revisions 

message: It seems like this page is a POV magnet. I cleaned out some stuff a few months back, but now someone is adding several paragraphs that, in addition to being unencyclopedic, look like they were copied and pasted out of some online review of some sort. I think the same thing was pasted into the Continental page as well. Other thoughts? --Sable232 22:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: This blog seems to suggest that Lincoln initially intended the MKZ and MKX and whatnot to be read as "Mark X" or "Mark Z", abbreviated; but were then overruled by public opinion. I think this might bear a mention in this article, though not necessarily included those models in full, but a section about how Ford intended to continue the line, but later abandonned that plan. TheHYPO (talk) 03:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Z, Mark X 

message: What the heck is this? All of a sudden there's this mass of data (unreferenced, of course) added that makes absolutely no sense at all within the context of the article. You read through the Mark II, then you see III, IV, and V, and then you're reading about a Mark III again with no explanation at all of what happened. --Sable232 (talk) 02:31, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article explains it fairly clearly. It was a marketing decision by Lee Iaccoca for the 1969 model year to roll back the Mark number. The 1969 Mark III was concieved as a coupe in the tradition of the Continental Mark II. However see below.
Sadowski (talk) 01:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Forgotten Marks?" 

message: Renaming the "Forgotten Marks" as "Continental Marks" actually adds to the confusion. To be technical the Continental Division was ended at the beginning of the 1958 model year (read the reference). All Mark IIs are thus Continental Mark IIs, all 1958-60 Marks were thus Lincoln Continental Marks. The Lincoln Continental Mark name was used in sales brochures and data books at least through the Mark VII. Thus referring to the 1958-60 Marks as the "Continental Marks" is flatly wrong since only Mark IIs were Continental Marks and most subsequent Marks have been "Lincoln Continental Marks". But they all should be mentioned by the article for obvious reasons. The "Forgotten Marks" tag makes the most sense since the Mark III, Mark IV and Mark V tags were technically recycled.
Sadowski (talk) 01:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The cars were never badged as the "Forgotten Marks"! The convention in automobile articles is to use model names and years. Thus, the section title about the 1958-60 models should be its "official" name: "Mark III-V". However, that would add even more to the confusion! Perhaps adding the production years to the other sections would help maintain the chronological order for readers, even though the automaker reverted the numbering of these models. CZmarlin (talk) 01:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, adding the production years to the other sections might be an appropriate way to handle this.
Sadowski (talk) 01:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section Titles 

message: Could someone please explain the purpose of including a detailed table of the interior dimensions to this article? As per WP guidelines, an article should be a summary of the important aspects of the subject, not a collection of details. There is very little this table of precise interior measurements contributes to a reader's understanding of history of these vehicles. These are great in a website dedicated to a discussion of trivia and details about these cars, but not in an encyclopedia article about the overall development and history of these automobiles. The table will be removed, as was previously done by other editors. Thanks! CZmarlin (talk) 16:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as the table goes, it was very poorly placed (someone forgot to use the preview feature); if it were to be re-included at all, it should have been moved out of the main lead-in text to a section towards the bottom.  A place where a side-by-side comparison of dimensions (exterior and interior) would be if there were a section dedicated to the changing size of the Mark Series over the years; this could be used for a reference.  Currently, the article doesn't go into that, so removing the table was the best choice.  --SteveCof00 (talk) 23:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Interior dimensions

message: There has always been a confusion between the make Continental and the model Continental from Lincoln, especially since 1968 when Ford built them side by side at Wixom and sold them in the same dealerships. Continental was first used on a Lincoln-Zephyr (at this point still a separate make from Lincoln) in 1940, from 1941-48 it was a model under Lincoln. 
When the Mark II was released in october 1955 Ford had upgraded the modelname to a Make with its own Division. The Division existed between October 16 1954 and July 18 1956, it was closed down due to poor sales and the Make Continental became part of Lincoln Division. Lincoln Division produced the remaining Mark II´s until May 13 1957 and used the Make Continental on their 1958-59 Mark III and IV. From 1960 the Continental line again becomes a Lincoln model, and the 1960 Lincoln Continental Mark V is the only Lincoln Mark with Continental in the name. Since the 1958-60 models were only upgraded Lincolns and had none of the styling features of the original Continentals, they are not mentioned in later Ford publicity material over Marks, like in this 1977 Mark V catalogue: http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Lincoln/1977_Lincoln/1977_Continental_Mark_V_Brochure/1977%20Continental%20Mark%20V-02.html, hence the expression "The forgotten Marks".
When Lee Iacocca revitalized the car lines of Lincoln-Mercury in the mid-late sixties he wanted to use the styling of the first Continental built for Edsel Ford and the Mark II, this was done on the platform of the 4-door Thunderbird and completed with a Rolls-Royce inspired grille. It was named Mark III since it in style was a worthy successor to the Mark II and the Make Continental was also reintroduced.
This is visible in the catalogues, when the Lincoln Continental and the Continental Marks are portrayed in the same catalogues there´s always a distinction between them. And from 1976-81 they´re portrayed in separate catalogues. On the back of the cover the Make and Model is written in capital letters like all cars from Ford Motor Company these years. Continental is not an exception.
Some samples of 1979 catalogues from Ford Motor Company: http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Lincoln/1979%20Lincoln/1979_Lincoln_Continental_Brochure/dirindex.html http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Lincoln/1979%20Lincoln/1979%20Continental%20Mark%20V%20Brochure/dirindex.html http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Mercury/1979%20Mercury/1979_Mercury_Monarch_Brochure/dirindex.html http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Ford/1979_Ford/1979_Ford_LTD_Brochure/dirindex.html
1977 Continental Products Facts Book, Continental Mark V AND Lincoln Continental: http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Lincoln/1977_Lincoln/1977_Continental_Product_Facts_Book/dirindex.html
Effective with 1981 modelyear all manufacturers use a 17 character VIN-code: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number
The first 3 digits gives the make of the car, between 1981-85 Continental has a separate code 1MR instead of Lincolns 1LN.
From Fords 1982 VIN-decoder: http://www.geting.se/viewimage/image/299326-VIN_Decode_1_1.jpg
Continental was a separate Make until 1985 modelyear, and for 1986 the two remaining models became Lincolns. The mid-size Continental Sedan became Lincoln Continental and the Continental Mark VII became Lincoln Mark VII. So pre 1986 there were no Lincoln Marks except the 1960 Continental Mark V.
Most of the facts come from these books:
The Cars of Lincoln-Mercury, George H Dammann & James K Wagner, Crestline Publishings 1987. 
Iacocca: An Autobiography. Lee Iacocca with William Novak, Bantam Books 1984. 
For the moment all these Continentals are hidden on Wikipedia under different Lincoln pages, and I believe there has to be a separate page for Continental to make it comprehensible. As it is now it only adds to the confusion between the two makes.
Slimbrow (talk) 17:24, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continental Marks and Lincoln Marks 

message: I know that the attempt was good-faith, but the reason I had to revert it is that it took accurate coverage and made it inaccurate. More explanation if requested. — ¾-10 00:53, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempt to cut the coverage of the names resulted in error

message: Hi all, I've updated the photo for the page. Please note that it is from the same series as the Mark III's primary page photo. Please let me know your thoughts on this and if we should use a different photo. I like the professional quality of these photos, but I can clean up some of my other uploads for use either on this page or the Mark III page. Just let me know what you'd like to see and I'll work to make it pretty! GeorgeRoush5 (talk) 19:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Photo