Talk:Shut Up and Drive

message: This is not an R&B song!! It´s true that it was nominated for a Grammy in this style, but the song is pop rock! For example, "Rehab" of Amy Winehouse won "Best Female Pop Vocal Perfomance" and it is a soul/jazz song...So it doesn´t mean anything!
:If it won an award for an R&B song,it is R&B. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 00:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Rehab" is a pop song?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.52.39 (talk) 11:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was released to the mainstream,then yes. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 15:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen songs that have been awarded R&B and they have been pop rock songs, rap songs, R&B songs, etc. Just because the artist has released R&B songs in the past. Nah, you judge a song by its genre, not by the awards it gets. Awards are given by public voters, and if there's enough stupid people out there to vote it, then it will win an R&B award. Simple as that. --Zzguitar14 (talk) 16:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: R&B?!

message: You posted Sept. 3, 2007 as due for the release of Shut Up And Drive in UK which you credited this defjam site: http://www.defjam.co.uk/. Pertaining to that, it can be a realiable source however, some links claimed that it will be on 20th of August: http://www.newuksinglereleases.co.uk/. The latters info cant be a false one because the site has been used by many editors and credited many times. BritandBeyonce 12:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What's True

message: The guitar line in this song far more closely resembles Orgy's remake of "Blue Monday" than it does the original. Do the liner notes cite a sample? Chubbles 01:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that too, but it may well be just a third-party that has played it.  violet/riga (t) 17:03, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sample question

message: I was just wondering if where Shut Up And Drive cover had been? Lost?BritandBeyonce 09:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh there is it. Genuine pic? BritandBeyonce 08:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Where Is It?

message: I thought came to me the other day. This single never really got heard of hear in the UK until Umbrella was eventually knocked off by Timbaland's The Way I Are. Could it be justifiable to say Umbrella actually prevented any media attention to this song, thus causing to fail to achieve its maximum potential? 84.69.64.35 19:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who knows?  Regardless of the answer, Wikipedia is not the place for such speculation without reliable secondary sources that say so.  17Drew 21:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Surely it was just pushed back in the UK because of Umbrella's success - it's getting significant airplay now.  violet/riga (t) 22:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, speculation like this does not belong on Wikipedia.  If you can find a source, then add it to the article; if there are no sources, then the discussion is irrelevant and does not belong on the talk page.  17Drew 23:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excuse me?  It is relevant and does belong here.  violet/riga (t) 07:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not without a source.  17Drew 07:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I said here.  violet/riga (t) 08:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk pages are only for discussing articles.  If you're not discussing adding this to the article, then your discussion belongs somewhere else.  Try a fan site or forum.  17Drew 08:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know exactly what talk pages are for and this is perfectly fine.  It's discussing an aspect of the article.  Now please stop with this pointless threat of removing the discussion - it's a waste of both our time.  violet/riga (t) 08:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: So what if Umbrella caused the song to fail in some charts? That's not our problem and it's absolutely a pointless talk. Has it something to do with the page for it to expand? Why? You would stress there that the song due to the presence of Umbrella didn't reach its maximum potential? That's a mere weasel words. Cite source that says so. Thanks.BritandBeyonce 11:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As was said before, this talk page is for discussing the article and its content, not for discussing the article's subject. I'll ask again that you please cease or you will begin receiving warnings and these discussions will be removed. SpigotMap 11:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umbrella obstructed this? 

message: Should the "Chart Performance" section of the article be expanded; in other words to put more information into that section. Or should it be left the way it is, to prevent what happened to articles such as "Big girls don't cry (Song)" and "Beautiful liar"? 220.101.48.181 8:23, September 21, 2007 (UTC)
:Let this page be expanded but if the page runs through same fate with the songs you refered to, then it is the better time to control such thing not to happen. BritandBeyonce 11:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please go to this page. This would be very helpful to you. Not 3 only but *3. BritandBeyonce (talk•contribs)  07:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charts 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:ShutUpAndDriveVideo.jpg

message: I think it isn't a CUrrent anymore because it is #40 now
:If it's still on the charts it's current. SpigotMap 18:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current? 

message: This is a subject that has been raised several times, but in fairness and accordance with Wikipedia policies, I'll open it again here.
Shut Up and Drive won a People Choice Award in 2007 for "Best R&B Song."  While it does not fit in the traditional description of R&B, it is not our place as Wikipedians to make that distinction and refuse to recognize an R&B genre tag in the info box, in addition to the seemingly more accurate Pop Rock tag.  Charmed36 and I had a rather heated debate (please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Charmed36#Shut_Up_and_Drive_2) on this very subject not even one week ago as of the date of this post.  An administrator intervened and suggested that my classification of this song as an R&B record in addition to Pop Rock was accurate.
However, as I said, I don't see any harm in opening the question up for more discussion.  Please leave your comments here, not my talk page.  In the meantime, I would request that the R&B tag not be removed until a consensus can be reached that might suggest it necessary.
:Since the song won that award, I'd say, you're definitely correct. Either is was only nominated or won, it was recognized as R&B. Also, we have no proper sourcing of genres and that one is a very good source. --Efe (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just added a template for R&B projects. I believe we're correct. --Efe (talk) 08:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Opinion noted.  But, as it's already been established, the song does qualify for an R&B tag, per the above mentioned reasoning.    --InDeBiz1 (talk) 03:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

text: As I've said to you before, I am backed by facts.  Specifically, "Shut Up and Drive" was nominated for and won a People's Choice Award in 2007 for Best R&B song.  Therefore, under Wikipedia policy, the R&B tag is appropriate despite not fitting into the "traditional" definition of R&B, which I have conceded to you several times.  Now, for the final time, I'd appreciate it if you'd review WP:CIVIL and remember it when you comment on discussions such as this.  You disagree with my opinions, that's fine.  You attack me, we have a problem, particularly when I have facts to back up what you're trying to revert.  I'm pretty easy to deal with, most of the time, but I suppose I can come across as "high and mighty" on occasion because I deal with things pretty much straight up and without some of the sugarcoating that I see from many users around the encyclopedia.  I guess what I'm saying to you, Charmed36, is that if you can source the "fact" that the song is not R&B, then feel free to remove the tag.  If you can't definitively source that statement, then my tag as R&B must be allowed to stand, as supported.  --InDeBiz1 (talk) 02:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooops! This is not good. Above comments are against WP:CIVIL. I think the nomination is a concrete source that this song also falls under R&B genre. Nowadays, its hard to judge whether a song falls under that certain genre becuase they've kinda mixed, with so many influences. --Efe (talk) 02:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I expanded my comment above to better reflect my intention, which was not to violate WP:CIVIL.  My apologies.  --InDeBiz1 (talk) 03:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry too for being vague. That comment was for Charmed36's statement: "High and mighty users think they are right." This statement is really really really bad. I think Charmed can only do is to back her claim with a reliable source. --Efe (talk) 03:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classifying Song as R&B 

message: Shut up and drive's peak in UWC was at #11, then why in this page is listed with a #7? Another thing: 
this single sold only 2 million copies, not 3,2. Look on UWC site. So it's impossible to have that amazing sales of 3.2 million copies worldwide and a further 200,000 through clubs. 1,18 million copies in the US? The single got Platinum in US? there are too many errors on this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.97.4.229 (talk) 17:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Someone explain me something

message: I don't want this to turn into an edit war,so I'm gonna start a debate about this. We've already had a discussion which ended in allowing the R&B tag,but now we're having a different discussion: Should R&B be listed as the 1st genre? I think it should,for this reason: According to this, only the 1st genre gets capitalized. However,in proper English,R&B is always supposed to have "R" and "B" as capital letters. Therefore,I think that R&B should go 1st to prevent unnecessary capitalization of other genres (pop rock,in this case). Big T.V. Fan (talk) 16:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only reason R&B is there because the song won an award in the wrong category. It's not R&B.  It failed to chart on the Rhythmic Top 40 and was never and would never be solicited to urban radio.  Someone is trying hard to prove an unecessary point.  Charmed36 (talk) 16:48, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually,after listening to it several times,there are urban elements in the beat,but not a lot. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 17:12, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  R&B 

message: I feel like I've heard this in a commercial or something… gujamin (talk) 18:14, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This was featured in Disney's recent movie Wreck-It Ralph... Probably deserves a mention. Etcetera (talk) 20:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where else was this used? 

message: You are mean't to provide a source when listing a brand name. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 14:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for Ferrari? 

message: is a release history table? You mention the radio and purchasable dates but there is no table for them? Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a REVIEW OF THE ARTICLE. If you want to review it, feel free. In other way stop with the tips. And thanks I will create it. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 15:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where is there a review page? No on has started reviewing it. And no, I won't, I'm on the Wikiproject. You don't want tips on improving it? I would take this advice Tomica, as you have submitted for GAN when the article is under prepared. Have you even noticed this?:  "June 12, 2007 and was physically released on August 27, 2008" The song was made available to buy 14 months after it was sent to radio?? Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That can happen to anybody who works. And as I said, the person who will be reviewing the article will note that and with his/her's help I will fix it. See now, release history there.— Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 15:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was only helping, but once again, you have taken it the wrong way. There is a GAN backlog drive starting in two days, and people will either pass or fail articles, and even just by having prose issues and not having a release history table like you didn't have may have been a fail in some reviewers eyes. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:27, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where 

message: *Germany release
*UK release
*France release
*Canada Maxi Single release
*Canada release
*Canada 12 inch vinyl
Calvin • Watch n' Learn 16:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I will! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 16:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are welcome. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 16:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tomica, you need to add these.  

message: I was just wondering if anyone (older than 18) actually read the lyrics and understand that the entire song hasn't anything to do with cars or actual driving? In case you didn't, the song is all about sex. 
The article states:
"Lyrically, "Shut Up and Drive", as the title suggests, is about Rihanna looking for a driver, who will drive her around in her new car and take control over it." 
This entire sentence is complete bullshit, as anyone who actually listened to the song or read the lyrics (and again, is at least old enough to understand sex references) can figure out it's all about sex...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.72.15.16 (talk) 10:37, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it is about sex ("Get you where you wanna go, if you know what I mean ... If you can, baby boy, then we can go all night), but that comment was written by a BBC editor. Blame the external links not Wikipedia. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't anyone actually getting the lyrics?? 

message: What is the BPM? Novalia (talk) 21:27, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  BPM 

message: Moving to the evidence required at "how a primary topic can be determined", here there it is:
====Incoming wikilinks====
No Chely Wright/Rihanna/Widespread Panic related-links (in other words, their Wikipedia pages about their own releases) will be included. Also in-Wikipedia space links (i.e. Talk pages, userpages, files or "Wikipedia:XYX" pages) are excluded, solely main space articles are listed.
 Incoming wikilinks
Shut Up and Drive (Chely Wright song)                    	Shut Up and Drive (Rihanna song)	Shut Up and Drive (Widespread Panic song)
3 (1997 in country music, Roxie Dean, Rivers Rutherford).	40                              	0 (Page created in July 2015)
Although Wright or Widespread songs can be underlinked, it is unlikely they can reach this quantity of links. With this is proven that Rihanna's is the primary 
topic regarding incoming wikilinks. Those links also prove that Rihanna's has now impacted popular culture, because it has been featured in films, tv realities, video games, it has influenced other artists, and it has its own covers. It also debunk the arguments given by other editors about Wright's popularity in  #Requested moves 3: "it doesn't seem to have the long-term significance of the other articles mentioned in the guideline", or "the obscure country song, which might have more potential to be more historic.", or "Anybody looking for the Rihanna song will find it easily where it is" (untrue, as readers and writers have to link or click more than they need to). During "#Requested moves" Wright's "notability" was mentioned more, but never justified.
====Wikipedia article traffic statistics====
Multiple editors don't trust page view statistics because they only prove readers reach a page, but not from where. Due to this I created the pages " Shut Up and Drive (Chely Wright song) (redirect)",  "Shut Up and Drive (Rihanna song) (redirect)", and "Shut Up and Drive (Widespread Panic song) (redirect)", they were added and ordered alphabetically with no other detail. These links were added to the disambiguation page Shut Up and Drive on July 3, 2015, and unfortunately they were removed on August 30. My main intention was to test page views until today (October 3/4). I assume the period will be helpful to understand what readers want when they type "Shut Up and Drive" (I haven't checked them as I write this). Due to I and Usual gave more views for adding/removing these links, July 3 and August 30 will be excluded (for example I gave 16 views to Chely due to typographical mistakes and refreshes).
 Wikipedia article traffic statistics
Month      	Shut Up and Drive (Chely Wright song) (redirect)	Shut Up and Drive (Rihanna song) (redirect)	Shut Up and Drive (Widespread Panic song) (redirect)	Shut Up and Drive (total)
July 4-31  	11                                              	73                                         	9                                                   	142
August 1-29	10                                              	57                                         	3                                                   	142
With this evidence, the dab page "Shut Up and Drive" was visited 284 times from July 4 to August 29. During the same period Wright's was clicked 21 times, Rihanna's was clicked 130 times, and Widespread's 12 times for a total of 160 of clicks to the "(redirect)" redirects. Presented with percentages, people who arrived to "Shut Up and Drive" (284 views/100%) 21/7.39% of the people went to Wright's song; 130/45.77% of the people went to Rihanna's song; and 12/4.22% of the people went to Widespread's song. Similarly to the "Incoming wikilinks", Rihanna's song is what readers tend to search the most. During #Requested moves 3 some users gave arguments about Rihanna's recentism. In term of years, Wright's song was released  ago (single release),  ago (album release) /  ago (single release), and Widespread's  ago (album release). As of today, none of these song is "recent", by any mean, so being "recent" is not a justification for getting more page views--using that argument Widespread's is the primary topic as it is the "most recent".
====Usage in English reliable sources====
This is harder because linking all "reliable" sources will be a hell, and for non-printable sources difficult, rather I will use the Ghits method in all places recommended by WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: Google web, news, scholar, and books.
 Usage in English reliable sources
GHits         	Shut Up and Drive (Chely Wright song)	Shut Up and Drive (Rihanna song)	Shut Up and Drive (Widespread Panic song)
Google web    	6,030                                	248,000                         	1,880
Google news   	33                                   	707                             	27
Google scholar	1                                    	14                              	0
Google books  	86                                   	233                             	2
In all 4 search pages Rihanna's is the song that gets more links, a tendency given by an editor in RM3.
=====Notes=====
*A  It may include unreliable sources and sources with trivial content like lyrics or videos. The search excludes the terms "mp3", "wikipedia", "lyrics", "letra", "download", and "descargar"
====Summary (TL;DR)====
Given all the tangible evidence presented here, I'm proposing "Shut Up and Drive (Rihanna song)" to be moved to "Shut Up and Drive", as this only demostrate that most readers want, have readen, have listened to/about Rihanna's song and less about Chely Wright or Widespread Panic. If such evidence is incorrect, it has to be contested with tangible evidence as well, and not solely by personal ideas or bureaucratically-written comments. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 05:39, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Evidence

message: Given all the tangible evidence presented here, I'm proposing "Shut Up and Drive (Rihanna song)" to be moved to "Shut Up and Drive", as this only demostrate that most readers want, have readen, have listened to/about Rihanna's song and less about Chely Wright or Widespread Panic. If such evidence is incorrect, it has to be contested with tangible evidence as well, and not solely by personal ideas or bureaucratically-written comments. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 05:39, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary (TL;DR)

message: How did a No.15 hit song get moved to an artist-less title above a No.14 hit song? Shut Up and Drive (Chely Wright song) In ictu oculi (talk) 00:24, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's the clear cut primary topic.Cúchullain t/c 16:41, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:NCM]] How did the above move happen?