Talk:Century break

message: "To score a century, there must be at least ten reds on the table when the player comes to play. If there are nine reds, then he can only score 99 (9 x 8 + 27 = 99) points at best."
What is, when the player has a Free Ball with nine remaining reds? Then he can get 107 points with just nine remaining reds...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.187.170.162 (talk) 15:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it should clarify, but it obviously means under normal circumstances. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 17:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I sorted this out a few weeks ago.  I added this in:"(or nine in a free ball situation)".  I don't think it needs any more detail than this.  People can go to the free ball article for further clarification. Betty Logan (talk) 18:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free ball 

message: I think we should port the List of snooker players with over 100 century breaks into Century breaks, along the lines of the Maximum break article.  At the moment we have two articles about different aspects of the same topic.  With the Maximum break article we have one article that covers all aspects i.e. the definition of a maximum break, the list of maximums, a list of players that had multiples, and records relating to the maximum break.  We could do something along those lines for century breaks: the definition of a century break, the list of players that have had one hundred centuries, and the various records relating to centuries.  We can make one good article out of the two we have here and make it a one-stop shop for century breaks. Betty Logan (talk) 04:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Does anyone know if there is accepted list of tournaments that count as regards the number of centuries scored by the pros. Career totals are often quoted on the TV but no one ever explains what they really mean. I assume all ranking tournaments and PTCs count. What about qualifying rounds? Masters? Scottish Pro Championship? Premier League Snooker? etc
Also we have lists of centuries scored in each tournament in 2011/12 but not a list of the total number scored by each player for the season. (which would be much more interesting) Is there no list anywhere? Nigej 18:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Which Tournaments Count

message: cuetracker.net has a list of century breaks from 1987 until today: http://www.cuetracker.net/pages/centuries.php?alltime&status=p
isn't this a reliable source? Eddie Nixon (talk) 16:25, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say not, because its figures clearly contradict the figures from the BBC. For instance, the BBC say that Hendry retired on 775 centuries but Snooker Tracker thinks he only made 744. The Independent (a high quality British newspaper) says Ron has made at least 678 centuries, whereas Snooker Tracker say he made 6 less than that. We do have a big problem with this page, but while these fansites are roughly accurate there are a lot of discrepencies. Betty Logan (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because cuetracker compiles the data from 1987 and Hendry began his career before that. But for the other players the data seems accurate. Eddie Nixon (talk) 16:25, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Out of interest, was the Chris Turner page ever actually confirmed as a reliable source or was it just assumed? I haven't hunted around the site to see if he backed up his info, but just going on appearances it looks like another fansite, albeit a very good one. To be honest, if we still haven't found an acceptable source nearly 18 months after Turner's death, the sensible thing to do would seem to be archiving the current list somewhere until we can provide an up-to-date one again. There doesn't seem much point in hosting an article with a list of the leading century makers in 2011, and at the moment we've got the worst of both worlds, where some entries in the list are more up to date, e.g. Hendry (from independent sources), while others haven't been updated since 2011. As a list it's more or less useless at the moment. EJBH (talk) 01:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a real problem isn't it? The jury is out on Chris Turner's site: some claimed he wasn't a reliable source (as per WP:SPS), while others claimed he was since he qualified under the exception at WP:SPS in that he was acknowledged as an expert (he contributed data to Eurosport). Personally I'm happy with him, because we would be allowed to use stats from Eurosport which may or may not have been supplied by him. In the long run I don't really know what to do about the table; without a reliable source that actually collates and ranks the data we are fighting an uphill battle. Does anyone know if Snooker Scene publishes this data?  Betty Logan (talk) 02:41, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Cue tracker

message: Hello,
I updated this page on 27 april 2013 with information from 25 april
but some people thought that information that is more than 1 year old
is more valuable,
so instead of reverting back (read doing absolutely nothing)
because you don't like that there is only one source of information
please find another one more valuable, check it, and add it.
Because of moderators laziness, wikipedia community will loose reputation
p.s:
there is now snooker world championship going on, and the list changes a lot,
the Eurosport sport commentators complain that information on wikipedia about players is
very bad and with lot of mistakes, I wanted to help, but insted found a hostile community of people
who don't care about other peoples work and time.
Necromantiarian (talk) 16:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't face hostility, you simply chose to ignore the note which was attached to the update notice: Please do not update the century counts using the Snooker.info website. Snooker statistics must be sourced to a reliable source(s), and Snooker.info does not meet this criteria due to being self-published. We realize the problem, but replacing out of date information with unreliable information doesn't solve the problem. Besides violating WP:SPS, the webmaster of Snooker.info even admits his data is often incorrect: I will use a reliable source (World Snooker) rather than Wikipedia, I have made quite a few mistakes in recent times and I believe this could be the reason why and doing daily updates should help make fewer mistakes. It's basically a hobby site, and we could probably maintain the data better ourselves if that were allowed. If there was an easy solution to this problem the Snooker project would have have done it itself. Betty Logan (talk) 17:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  please don't revert information which is 3 days old with one which wasn't updated in ages 

message: The table of List of players with at least 100 century breaks is updated up to 29 April, 2013!
Note that you cannot keep the data from almost two years ago in Wikipedia article, just with the reason that you think the given reference is not a good reference! 
However, in the future if you find some more reliable reference, you can express your new reference and update the data based on that. 
Koorosh1234 (talk|contribs)              14:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No matter how out of date the data is, it is not acceptable to update it from an WP:SPS hobby site, especilaly one that sometimes uses Wikipedia as a source. If we cannot find an acceptable replacement source then we should contemplate removing the data. Betty Logan (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, then it's better to remove the table up to the time that a more reliable reference will be found. Because keeping the outdated data from two years ago in the article is not useful anymore! Koorosh1234 (talk|contribs)              15:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating "List of players with at least 100 century breaks" table 

message: As discussed in the two sections above, the century chart was removed since an up to date WP:Reliable source could not be found. Currently, an editor keeps restoring the section with the following three sources:
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The problems with each of these sources are as follows:
# As explained in the two sections above (#please don't revert information which is 3 days old with one which wasn't updated in ages and #Updating "List of players with at least 100 century breaks" table, Snooker.info is not a reliable source since it is a self-published source. This is confirmed at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Snooker.info.
# 147.com.pl is also an WP:SPS site run by college students and school kids, who have no discernible background in sports journalism.
# The final site, Snooker Archive is an out of date source that used to be used to source this information; it was run by Chris Turner who supplied the snooker statistics to Eurosport, but who unfortunately died two years ago. The source is no longer suitable since it is out of date, and none of the data matches up.
The decision was taken above with another editor to remove the chart until a reliable source ccould be found, so therefore I am going to remove this data one more time, and I would appreciate it if it is not restored without a source that has professional journalistic oversight. Betty Logan (talk) 18:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Century break sources 

message: I want ahead and trimmed down the hidden table to a sensible size with a reasonable amount of refs. The complete table before my trim is below. Nergaal (talk) 12:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Backup table

message: Yes, it is not a RS, but  suggests a few extra things that one might be able to find refs for:
* Ding Junhui, Neil Robertson, Steve Davis are 350+
* Mark Selby, Marco Fu, Shaun Murphy, Mark Williams are 300+
* Judd Trump is 250+ (he should not be at 100 since he made 60+ just last season)
* Stuart Bingham, Mark Allen, Ryan Day are 200+
* Joe Perry, Allister Carter, Mark Davis, Ricky Walden, Fergal O'Brien, Dominic Dale are 150+
* Barry Hawkins should be added at 150+
* Michael Holt, David Gilbert, Martin Gould, Nigel Bond, Liang Wenbo, Mark King, Robert Milkins, Joe Swail should be added at 100+
Nergaal (talk) 15:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuetracker updates

message: *Ian McCullogh said he made 105; cuetracker says 97 but this also says 105
Nergaal (talk) 15:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing entries

message: I find the recent flood of sometimes WP:REVERTWARring edits to be troubling.  It can't be that hard to settle on which sources are reliable and mine them for data.  There are not enough recorded century breaks in pro snooker on an ongoing basis to justify this level of article chaos. I'm getting more watchlist hits for this article than any other!  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  23:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What article "chaos" are you referring to? There have only been three reverts so far this May (all by me) and to be fair there is always an element of instability at the time of the world championship. Yes, there is some disagreement among editors over which sources are acceptable and your input to the discussions about those at Talk:Century_break#Century_break_sources and Talk:Century_break#List_of_players_gone_again? would be most welcome. The recent flurry of activity has been due to the fact that the list of centuries was restored and we are attempting to find new sources to replace the out-of-date source that was being used. The recent edits by  and myself are in accordance with what the two of us agreed was the correct approach, and my revert earlier today was only due to the fact he had used a source that had used Wikipedia as its source i.e WP:CIRCULAR. I suspect this activity will continue for some time, and I suspect that occasionally editors will try to update the counts using snooker fansites, but at the moment I see the article moving in a positive direction than being stuck in a "revert war" cycle. Betty Logan (talk) 00:00, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: My first reaction coming to this article was similar to yours  but since then I've done a few hours of web trawling and there is simply no obvious reliable source where you can get player century counts. I like Cuetracker a lot since you can drill down to individual seasons and tournaments to find out where a player got all their centuries but unfortunately when I did this for Jimmy White (who has a higher score on Cuetracker than other sites) I found he had been wrongly awarded 2 centuries in one Pot Black tournament which has only had 6 in its entire history (corrected by SO when I pointed it out). I'm sure that if I looked at other players I would find similar errors. No other site gives this facility and they differ from each other - so how would you choose? It is a strange thing in a sport which seems built for detailed statistics - you can't imagine having any trouble finding cricket centuries and you don't, e.g.Cricinfo but we take the world as we find it not as we wish it to be. There are news articles out there but it's a bit of a slog finding them (especially when they quote Wikipedia in a supposed interview grrr.) and they will never add up to a definitive and up to date table. On the other hand, there is little value in Wikipedia regurgitating a table from another site but there is value in it making people aware that sources should be treated with healthy skepticism. Btljs (talk) 08:30, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about some reliable sourcing? 

message: Is this site reliable? I found a few seemingly good links there but the figures they provide are significantly below the cuetracker numbers. For updated figures see:
*http://www.therichest.com/sports/other-sports/top-10-highest-earning-snooker-players-in-2013-14/
*http://www.therichest.com/sports/other-sports/top-10-highest-earning-snooker-players-in-2013-14/2/
*http://www.therichest.com/sports/other-sports/top-10-highest-earning-snooker-players-in-2013-14/3/
*http://www.therichest.com/sports/other-sports/top-10-highest-earning-snooker-players-in-2013-14/5/
*http://www.therichest.com/sports/other-sports/top-10-highest-earning-snooker-players-in-2013-14/7/
*http://www.therichest.com/sports/other-sports/snookers-10-highest-career-prize-money-winners/
*http://www.therichest.com/sports/other-sports/snookers-10-highest-career-prize-money-winners/5/ (at 298 + those in 2014)
*http://www.therichest.com/sports/other-sports/snookers-10-highest-career-prize-money-winners/8/ (245 + those in 2014)
Nergaal (talk) 09:46, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at this site before and personally I wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole. This is mainly because their 'top 10's are usually subjective things like 'Top 10 Sexiest Female sports stars'. Their terms and conditions page states: "2. ACCURACY:
TheRichest is an entertainment based website providing commentary, general information in relation to celebrities, luxury items, athletes, businesspersons, public figures, lifestyles, wealthy individuals, current trends and entertainment. Information on the site may contain errors or inaccuracies; the Website does not make any warranty as to the correctness or reliability of the sites content. The Website does not provide any warranty or guarantee as to the accuracy of the information. You acknowledge that such information and materials may contain inaccuracies and errors and we expressly exclude liability for any such inaccuracies or errors." This doesn't necessarily make them any worse than many other so called news sites but I wouldn't put much faith in them scrupulously researching their articles.(This is only my opinion). Btljs (talk) 11:04, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is user edited so doesn't qualify. Here is a profile of the author for the first link provided. Betty Logan (talk) 12:05, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: another site

message: Are these sites reliable? Nergaal (talk) 19:12, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: more records

message: Who was fist to 100? Was it Davis or Hendry? Nergaal (talk) 20:22, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: First to 100?

message: *David Gilbert - 2012 UK Championship
*Martin Gould - 2014 European Tour - Event 8
*Liang Wenbo - 2013 Indian Open
*Robert Milkins - 2013 Australian Open
*Joe Swail - 2013 European Tour - Event 4
:::had 93 in Oct 2011; had 7 just in the 2012/13 season.
*Andrew Higginson - 2014 World Champs?
*NOR Kurt Maflin is this reliable? http://welovebetting.co.uk/2015/04/snooker-tips-world-championship-day-1-tips-18th-april-2015-bbc/ or http://snookerhq.com/2014/12/14/higgins-continues-resurgence-in-lisbon/
Nergaal (talk) 20:34, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: still missing

message: hello everyone, I am the site owner of snookerinfo, I have not come here to defend my site or to try to get anyone to use my centuries list for this page, I just feel I should join the discussion, I understand the reasoning for not being able to use my site.
Firstly, I used to look at Chris Turner's centuries list with great interest, so when he sadly passed away I decided to continue the list from where he'd left off for personal interest, after a while I noticed there weren't any sites that showed the centuries information, I asked on a public forums and someone suggested me creating a site so everyone could have a look at the centuries totals, So obviously I did.
Since I created my site, I have had many discussions with people who also try to keep this data (cuetracker, alexa etc...) as well as people like Dave Hendon (EuroSport commentator) to confirm which tournaments a century break should not count as 'official' and which tournaments they do. I have also had Chris Turners official spreadsheet passed on to me, so I have been able to use all the tally's that he kept and continually update during tournaments. Every time I am watching BBC or EuroSport and they show (or mention) a players career total, I always check right away with mine, the vast majority have matched (only 2 or 3 since I started not matching but usually only  by one and I then work on it to find what's gone wrong). I also once sent my totals to Dave Hendon and he said that all my totals matched the ones he had with EuroSport except for Ding (although the reasoning for this has since been resolved).
So really, I just wanted to join this conversion as my site has been mentioned occasionally, I thought I'd get my points across, I think its a shame that no official site records centuries totals as it is a very important part of the game, like goals in football for example, I hope we can find a way to resolve this issue and everyone can see the centuries list because that's the reason I run my site, just to share stats that a lot of snooker fans want to know about. Snookerinfo (talk) 12:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So if that is true, then you have access to reliable sources? You could link BBC or Eurosport articles/videos where they mention he tally where you use the numbers. Nergaal (talk) 13:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

text: Thanks Snookerinfo for the details of your work. Sounds like this is effectively primary research? The totals that Chris Turner reached are being updated and regularly checked with other people doing the same thing. It is, therefore, entirely inconsistent to exclude these totals but continue to include those of Chris TuckerTurner. Cuetracker has significantly different totals and publishes the full breakdown of tournaments year by year. For me personally, it would be interesting to be able to compare the breakdown of Snookerinfo with Cuetracker, but I realise that Wikipedians probably shouldn't be trying to influence other sites! Btljs (talk) 14:25, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

text: I am not disagreeing, but if you want to be truly useful and not just try to push your site beyond the external links section, you would not mind disclosing those BBC and/or Eurosport sources, would you? Nergaal (talk) 16:42, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

text: Any of those matches got posted somewhere like on youtube? Nergaal (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

text: Sorry - I don't think Chris Tucker has time between making movies to keep a snooker database! Seriously, I realise I have to tread carefully where Chris Turner is concerned, and I, in no way, cast any aspersions on his totals. Or yours . But there were lengthy discussions on this page about which sources are appropriate for Wikipedia and the conclusion was/is that no self-edited site can be used. Snookerinfo, Cuetracker and Chris Turner all seem to come under this category, however accurate they all may be. I don't know how BBC, Eurosport etc. get their stats but they may pay a subscription to a research company or the WPBSA may share this info with them but not put it publicly on their pages - that is where you should be putting pressure  if you want better coverage. Btljs (talk) 07:32, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris Turner was the snooker stat guy for Eurosport so his personal archive most likely qualifies under WP:SPS: Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. You can view some of his publications at  & . I don't know who provides the stats now, maybe Dave Hendon who commentates for them and edits Snooker Scene. The BBC most likely maintain their own sporting stats. IMO it's one of the things that really sets snooker back as a pro sport; you can't even get something basic such as a list of titles from the official site. Even since Barry Hearn took over, snooker has still basically retained a semi-amateur approach to management (the rankings were devised on a fag packet!) so I don't hold out much hope for the WSA getting its act together in this regard. Betty Logan (talk) 09:26, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

text: As Chris Turner isn't around to defend his totals, the point is moot. But is nobody else intrigued how Cuetracker have 23 extra centuries for Jimmy White (fully documented tournament by tournament) up to the time of CT's last entry, 15 more for Steve Davis and 9 more for Willie Thorne - that's a big proportion of Thorne's total? I'd love to be able to do a tournament by tournament comparison but I don't have anything to compare Cuetracker with. There's clearly an established view and if it is challenged that can only be a good thing. Btljs (talk) 08:18, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a pretty huge discrepency beween Turner and CueTracker for Jimmy White. Dave Hendon seems to concur with Chris Turner at least in so much he hadn't passed the 300 threshold by October 2011. Snookerinfo seems to back up both their positions too. I suppose it all depends on the source for their information too, since these newer sources are possibly using Chris Turner as their source for older seasons. Barring actual mistakes, the discrepencies could come from which tournaments they count i.e. maybe Chris Turner only includes WSA sanctioned competition? Either way, Jimmy White has definitely made over 300 centuries by the reckoning of all active sources now so he's in the right tier in the table. Betty Logan (talk) 10:12, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

text: It's copyright anyway, so you can't just record it, upload it and link to it. Good for validating your site but no use for WP unless the match is provided in a permanent form by the broadcaster. Btljs (talk) 13:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, that's partly what I meant, I was referring to what someone said earlier in this conversation about me linking to a video of the commentators mentioning career totals for the player's Wikipedia page, EuroSport/BBC will not upload it, BBC do upload snooker videos and they only occasionally upload videos of century breaks, even then it is only the three major tournaments.Snookerinfo (talk) 20:13, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  SnookerInfo 

message: This is my idea for including actual figures where possible. Not every player will have an actual figure in which case there should still be a ref for the threshold with a corresponding date. I'll wait for comments to see if there is any consensus on whether this is an improvement or not.
 Key
	Retired player
Threshold	Player     	Total	Date        	Ref
750      	           	776  	15 Jan 2015 	http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/snooker/30831845
750      	           	775  	26 June 2014	
550      	           	568  	13 Jan 2015 	
350      	           	394  	13 Jan 2015 	
350      	Ding Junhui	378  	13 Jan 2015 	
350      	           	     	1 Jan 2013  	
300      	...etc...  	     	            	
300      	           	     	            	
300      	           	     	            	
300      	           	     	            	
300      	           	     	            	
300      	           	     	            	
300      	           	     	            	
(references not necessarily correct in this mock-up)
Btljs (talk) 17:25, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice idea, but I think it is still problematic as it would need to be updated very frequently in order to be accurate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.130.148  (talk)  12:36, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I'm going to get accused of nitpicking but "Ronnie O'Sullivan had 776 century breaks as of 15 January 2015" is exactly as accurate as "Steve Davis had 312 century breaks as of 12 December 2003". Both are more accurate than "As of 18 January 2015 Steve Davis had more than 300 century breaks and Ronnie O'Sullivan had more than 775 century breaks" The most accurate information we can present is 1. the most up to date reliable reference and 2. the most precise figure and I'm proposing a table which includes both. Btljs (talk) 16:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: But you are not actually proposing a table of accurate information are you? What you are proposing is a table which will have a handful of accurate figures—if we are lucky—and mostly inaccurate information. What is the point of saying Mark Selby is on 338 centuries when he isn't? We would just be misleading readers in most cases. Having sensible ranges gets around the problem of statistics that are out of date within a couple of weeks. Betty Logan (talk) 20:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see you've opted for making the table even less accurate. I give up. (By the way if your thresholds - which are not stated - are every 50 then RO and SH should be 750 not 700) Btljs (talk) 07:36, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for centuries table 

message: I think the retired players can and should have their exact count listed in parenthesis after their name. The number will be accurate and won't break the current clarity. Nergaal (talk) 21:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems very reasonable to me. Obviously in the case of players like Hendry and Hunter the totals are not going to change. Betty Logan (talk) 21:40, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Retired players

message: I would like to reorganize the intro my moving most of it into a separate ?method(s)? section and then summarizing some of the stuff from below. Any ideas? Nergaal (talk) 21:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a crack at it if you want. Betty Logan (talk) 21:41, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: According to WP:MOSFLAG nationality flags should only be used if someone is actually representing their country. These players scored most of their breaks in tournaments where their nationality was either irrelevant or only an entry requirement. They should be removed. Btljs (talk) 09:59, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag icons 

message: steve davis: http://cuetracker.net/Statistics/Centuries/Most-Made/Decade/1980-1989?status=Professional . Nergaal (talk) 23:12, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: first to career 100 cents

message: Will editors please observe the editing note in the list section and not change the century break counts based on fansites and blogs. Wikipedia policy states that fansites/blogs etc are not suitable for sourcing. All statistics should be attributed to professional sources with editorial oversight. This has been discussed on several occasions now, and websites like Pro Snooker Blog, Snooker.info and CueTracker are all run by fans and are not suitable as sources. The table should be updated using data from World Snooker and publishers such as the BBC and Eurosport. Betty Logan (talk) 23:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have started an RFC which is related to this issue, at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Snooker#RfC: Does the use of self-published sources in snooker articles violate BLPSPS and SPS?. Please comment there now rather than here.Betty Logan (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to century break counts 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: 'and requires potting of at least 24 consecutive balls' - error is the nos of ball is 26 and not 24.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:7400:C800:F425:18EB:75D1:32E:9FEB (talk) 13:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Century break 

message: Hi this is Eurosport commentator's Dave Hendon's twitter would this be an acceptable source? https://twitter.com/davehendon/status/702096924984406019 QueenAlexandria (talk) 15:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible reference for Selby 400th 

message: *http://www.snooker.org/res/index.asp?player=177
*http://www.stuartbingham.uk.com/component/content/article?id=1:profile
*http://worldsnookerchampionship2016.co.uk/players/
*http://worldsnookerchampionship2016.co.uk/profile/andrew-higginson/
Nergaal (talk) 18:07, 22 April 2016 (UTC
:Snooker.org is generally accepted to be a reputable source for snooker stats. Stuartbingham is self-published so is not an acceptable source. I don't know about the last one; if it is officially afilliated to World Snooker then it is probably ok but we shouldn't just assume that. Betty Logan (talk) 20:00, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: which ones are good enough?

message: In recent months, various snooker records have been broken, like the six consecutive centuries between Kyren Wilson and Anthony Hamilton, as well as 9 centuries in World Snooker Championship semi-final between Ding Junhui and Alan McManus, along with Ding's six centuries in that match. Is it the time to do a cleanup on such records?--Ui56k (talk) 19:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Records such as these should always be kept up to date, but obviously we need the sources to do this. Betty Logan (talk) 06:22, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Records And Updating 

message: In the Section: Records > Career, it is Steve Davis and not Joe Davis whom compiled the first televised century break in 1962. See provided link in the article.
FXMouthuy (talk) 21:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction of the first televised century break 

message: End of opening section - change total century breaks by Ronnie O'Sullivan to 824. Citation: http://www.prosnookerblog.com/centuries/
Rhedra (talk) 20:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 21:06, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: The citation is a book so I can't view it. Since 1000 is more than the all-time record of 847 (and counting) may I presume that Horace Lindrum got 1000 centuries... in billiards. Since this article is about snooker, not billiards, this should be removed. I suppose ideally there should be a billiard section to this whole article and the Lindrum citation should go there. I will try and track down the book on Google Books, which would settle the issue all together. 2.30.97.96 (talk) 21:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the book and I can verify that Horace Lindrum's record is a snooker record. The "all-time" record in the chart applies only to professional tournaments, but prior to the 1970s the professional circuit comprised mostly of exhibition events. O'Sullivan and Hendry have probably made well over 1000 once you factor in exhibitions. In fact Hendry is on record saying he stopped counting centuries once he got to 1000. Betty Logan (talk) 03:23, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first player to record 1000 centuries in public performance was Horace Lindrum. 

message: I can see the records page have been updated to include the newest records, but there are a few things to note:
* The there are a total of five instances of 8 century breaks (previous record) in a match before the Ding and McManus match, where the record was broken. The first three were recorded, but the last two weren't included: Quarter-final match between Neil Robertson and Barry Hawkins, and semi-final match between Shaun Murphy and Barry Hawkins. Both instances were in the 2015 World Championship.
* The most centuries in a tournament record (16 by Stephen Hendry atm) did not include the qualifying rounds. Ding has actually broken the record with 18 centuries at the 2016 World Championship, including the preliminery rounds.
Maybe these facts can be inserted back into the respective sections.--Ui56k (talk) 17:16, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added in Ding's new match record. As for the previous 8-century records, it is no longer that relevant and it would be difficult to source so I have simply pulled it from the article. Betty Logan (talk) 13:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some things to note 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: As alluded to earlier, this article is a mess.
In particular, the list of players with 100 century breaks in professional competition is useless, when century counts are updated with links still referring to old counts.
Also, the article includes several links only available to UK users. This last point is not in breach of Wikipedia policy, though. It is just an additional weakness.
In no mean spirit – though previously being accused of "borderline vandalism" by that Betty Logan figure. Thomas Kirk Larsen (talk) 11:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason some of the counts don't match the sources is because people come along and change the figures without updating the sources, and as a result the list has been corrupted. If you have a problem with the state of the list there are two choices: i) restore the counts to the values in the sources; ii) update the sources to match the counts, if you can find one. Betty Logan (talk) 12:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, obviously that is the reason. And once more I have addressed the problems associated with this article. It seems we have a list of 13 confirmed century thresholds out of 66 in the list. That's a fine tally. Great list. This page is not a mess, I'm sorry. Yes, changing the century counts to outdated figures seems like a good solution. Or maybe just delete the list altogether, as we do not have sources for it in accordance with Wikipedia policies. Thomas Kirk Larsen (talk) 13:14, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a problem with deleting the list if that is what you want to do. No data is better than wrong data in my book. Betty Logan (talk) 13:42, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players with 100 century breaks in professional competition – As it is, the list is useless  

message: Hi fellow Wikipedians. I would like to ask, if there is consensus on using "RKG Snooker" as a Wikipedia source(?) The source in question is used quite a number of times in this article, and if it is regarded a reliable source, it seems possible to tidy up the list included in the article quite a bit. However, I'm not sure, the source meets the required criteria(?) Thomas Kirk Larsen (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that it is almost certainly not because it replicates errors from other fan sites. For example, it has Steve Davis on 338 centuries whereas both World Snooker and the BBC have him on 355. They both can't be right, so who do you go with? World Snooker and the BBC, or RKG Snooker? Betty Logan (talk) 13:46, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Thomas Kirk Larsen (talk) 13:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on reliability of specific source used in this article 

message: I provided a confirmed list of players with 100+ centuries. The solution might not seem ideal, but maybe it is better than deleting the list altogether. The latter seems to be the only other alternative. Thomas Kirk Larsen (talk) 15:20, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I can live with this compromise. But with the secondary list I don't think we should be promoting players to the next threshold if there is a lack of consensus between the sources. For example, the three main fansites (Cuetracker, Snookinfo and RKG) have three different totals for Selby. Obviously only one at most can be correct and we have no idea which one it is. It is a safe bet that Selby will make six centuries over the next couple of tournaments so we should wait until all three sites have him 550+ before moving him up. Betty Logan (talk) 13:38, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmed list of players with 100+ centuries 

message: Once again, I have had to revert changes initiated by editors using questionable sites as sources. Cuetracker.net, Snookerinfo.webs.com and Rkgsnooker.com are not WP:Reliable sources because they are fansites/blogs/self-published per WP:SPS. Moreover, they are inconsistent. It is worth comparing the three sources with the official World Snooker statistics:
Player           	Cuetracker	Snookerinfo	RKG Snooker	BBC	WPBSA (official)
Ronnie O'Sullivan	982       	989        	989        	   	
Stephen Hendry   	772       	775        	775        	775	775
John Higgins     	727       	739        	739        	   	
Neil Robertson   	603       	606        	606        	   	
Judd Trump       	583       	584        	584        	   	
Mark Selby       	556       	554        	554        	   	
Steve Davis      	355       	338        	338        	355	355
Matthew Stevens  	294       	300        	300        	   	
There is a clear disparity between Cuetracker and the other two sources. Snookerinfo and RKGSnooker are consistent with each other, but it's not clear if they arrived at their figures independently. One list may be using the other. The Cuetracker counts tend to come in slightly lower than the others, but this is not the case with Mark Selby and Steve Davis. All three sites contain data that contradicts the BBC and World Snooker itself: Hendry once held the widely reported world record of 775 centuries but Cuetracker is coming up three short; likewise, when Steve Davis retired both the BBC and World Snooker put his century count at 355 (which Cutracker accurately records) but the other two sites have him way down on 338. It is clear that to the extent that World Snooker and the BBC are accurate, then these other sites must be inaccurate.
Given how difficult it is to track down up-to-date century statistics, then if we are going to log this information we are dependent on fansites for it. Taking Matthew Stevens as an example (who seems to be a recent source of contention) he has obviously compiled approximately 300 century breaks. However, we don't actually know which source is correct here: one of them at least must be wrong, and given that all the sources contain inaccuracies it is not obvious which source—if either—is correct. In my view, if we are going to use a fansite to increment the counts then we should wait until they all consistently put the player over that threshold! For example, all the sources now have Neil Robertson on over 600 centuries so I think its is reasonable for the table to reflect this, but I don't think it is reasonable for us to assume Stevens has passed 300 centuries on the basis of the data we have available to us. We know he has scored over 250—and this is still correct if he has scored 300 or not—so the table does not become wrong by leaving him at the lower threshold for now. Betty Logan (talk) 23:23, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fansites being used as sources 

message: How can we proceed? There is no official list of career century breaks, there is no official list of century breaks per player per season, there is not even a permanently available list of centuries per tournament. On so called reliable sources numbers of career centuries only pop up for Ronnie O'Sullivan and, very occasionally, for a few other top players.
So what are our options? We can keep this list with references to sport journalism sources deemed reliable, leading to a very much out-of-date and inconsistent state. We can scrap the the article. Or we can begin the real epic task of listing centuries by season, broken down by tournament, in whatever sub-article division with respective sources. My proposal would be to list centuries by season and player with reference to a main article per season. The main article per season then needs to reference respective sources. And as a summary we can add up the season results to career centuries per player.Käptn Weltall (talk) 00:17, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where do we go? 

message: I suggest that the total for active players be updated at the end of each season. For instance, Hawkins and Doherty have exceeded the relevant threshold in which they're listed Billsmith60 (talk) 11:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for these? That's usually why they aren't updated, as we need to source the total amount. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:36, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

text: As Lee alludes too, many of the totals on player articles are unsourced and cribbed from fansites. Ideally we would update the thresholds after each tournament but there is no centrally held record of player century totals. I sometimes wonder if it would be better cutting the list at 500, because a player on 500+ centuries is generally well reported. Betty Logan (talk) 14:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do we have two different lists, anyway? I can't work out what the difference is. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:09, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the result of a compromise if I recall. I wanted to remove all of the poorly sourced entries (which would have left the top list) but several editors wanted to retain the poorly sourced list (the bottom one). It is borderline ridiculous. There is no value in retaining information that cannot be sourced credibly. It is usually reported by the mainstream media or World Snooker itself when a player hits 500 centuries so the list should be curtailed at that threshold IMO. Betty Logan (talk) 19:18, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's ridiculous. It's not a compromise if we are just including an WP:OR list. We should cull and request actual sourcing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:28, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

text: I think you replied to the wrong section. Cue tracker is on the global blacklist as is not a reliable source, and often produces wrong information. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating the Information