Talk:Isha Upanishad

message: Should this article not be called the Isha Upanishad, for consistency with the others, and because it is the most common name? And Isha itself is more common that Isha Upanishad. Imc 09:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The name

message: I've just put the merge tags on as suggested by Profvk on Talk:Sri Isopanisad, but I know nothing about this subject (I found Sri Isopanisad when someone slapped a  tag on), so I make no real comment on whether this is an appropriate merge or not. Feel very free to remove the tags if it's not. Cheers --Pak21 09:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested merge 

message: I am merging the two articles, and tried to cleanup the more blatant essayish parts. Still needs major cleanup, particularly attribution of interpretations and translations. dab (ᛏ) 11:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: still needs major revision. It is useful to cite interpretations, but you have to give their authors every time. Wikipedia can only discuss the objective form and content of the text, and refer to the opinion of published authors for questions of interpretation. Since the original is not in English, translations must be attributed. It is desirable to give a literal translation first, and longer circumlocutions can be treated as interpretations. dab (ᛏ) 12:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello dab, I have done what I can, and cited the translations I've brought in. The descriptions of the text were so messey in my opinion that I've removed them entirely. I don't know if we have to list all the verses in the article - and would feel a section discussion regarding different types of interpretations might be more appropriate? GourangaUK 15:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that most of the text was unsalvageable. I am re-inserting Griffith's translation of verse 8 though (plus the short discussion of syntax analysis). Ideally, we should have a brief discussion of the text itself, and then a discussion of notable various interpretations. The text is so short, however, that the content of each verse may be discussed individually. dab (ᛏ) 17:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I think Prabhupada's translation should be treated under "interpretations": He is very transparent by supplying a word-by-word explanation, but rendering shukra as "the greatest of all, the Personality of Godhead" (etc. etc.) is an explanation (interpretation), and not an actual translation. dab (ᛏ) 17:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: merge, cleanup

message: Literally: "all this  (idam sarvam) covered by the Lord (Isavasyam), whatsoever,  (yat kiñcha) the created world (jagatyam  jagat). What is given (tena tyaktena) do enjoy  (bhuñjitha), do not covet (ma grdhah) anyone else's (kasya svid) wealth (dhanam).  Dvaita.org
I have removed the above as I am unhappy about its reliability but I dont have access to a good Sct dictionary at the moment. My doubts centre around "kiñcha jagatyam  jagat tena tyaktena" If DB or anybody has a good quality source from which we might render this with a grammatical analysis? Redheylin (talk) 14:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: there are plenty of good dictionaries online. You are now very close to WP:POINT. I do not know why anyone should care whethe you happen to have access to a good dictionary. dab (𒁳) 15:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Try to stick to the plot, thanks. There is no disruption, no point is being made, no need for hostility. A dictionary is a reliable source for rendering a foreign language. I would like to see a sourced and reliable word-for-word rendering so that it can be seen how various interpretations are arrived at - why someone is saying that it is sun-worship, another is saying it is morality, another is saying it is pantheism. Please also note that this is an English language affair and "pada" is not an English word. You could say "poetic foot", but I dont think that has the same exact sense. Redheylin (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Re anthropomorphism - this is what one does when one calls the sun or the supreme real "lord", or equates fire witha human formed god (see agni). You are free to add your personal comments here: not to edit the actual page on the basis of your own theories. Since the text is named for "Ishwara" it is reasonable to include a representation of such a deity. Redheylin (talk) 15:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I merged pada into Vedic meter back in 2006. You may still find the information, since pada is now a disambiguation page. Try to pull your own weight, ok? dab (𒁳) 16:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I can confirm that "Upanis(h)ad" is found in Chambers'; it is a "theosophical or philosophical treatise". Pada - no, sorry. What I normally do here is put the Sct technical term afterwards in brackets. What English word would you select to translate "pada"? You will no doubt realise that "this All" is a POV translation, which is questionable since "All" capitalised suggests a divinity of some sort, which is contradicted by the text where all this is COVERED with the divinity. No divinisation of "all" is suggested, no capital is suggested. Now, "this all" sounds like the article was written in Tennessee. So "all this", alright? Redheylin (talk) 17:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Redheylin, this is such a non-issue. Technically, the incipit quoted is a pada. But I am happy to call it a "quarter-verse", or just the "incipit" if you prefer. The literal translation of "pada" is "foot", happily coinciding with the English term "metric foot". Yes, I translated "sarva" as a noun, sue me. dab (𒁳) 18:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  rendering 

message: The wikisource link is now bad. Says the article has been deleted and moved to language domain (Sanskrit). But the page on the SA domain does not exist! Whatever happened to the source material?Devadaru (talk) 05:18, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikisource 

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