Talk:Pier Angeli

message: She did not committ suicide.  She died of an overdose of prescription medication.  The same could be said of Elvis Presley.  You can't say or equate that someone committed suicide based on theory or probability, even.  Everything has to be factual or be presented as firsthand knowledge.  And there is none in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JDNWF (talk • contribs) 07:18, 25 July 2006
:It's ironic that the previous poster stated "Everything has to be factual or be presented as firsthand knowledge", but didn't sign-in, leaving no evidence as to their identity or when they posted their comments.  Nevertheless, the question of whether or not Angeli committed suicide is not necessarily resolved by assertions made in a biography.  Suicide is a question of intent and of execution (no pun intended).  The biographer of a person who has died by what could have been suicide cannot necessarily know the person's intent, and in many cases, the means of death are ambiguous.  By all accounts, Angeli's last few days were marked by depression, agitation and insomnia.  Many who knew her stated that she was afraid of turning 40 and that she believed that her looks and her career were in an unstoppable downward trajectory.  The book "Pier Angeli: A Fragile Life" states that Dr. Ramon Spritzler, one of Angeli's doctors, had prescribed the anti-insomnia drug Doriden, one to be taken per night, but that she quickly began taking two or three per night (he claimed, up to four).  Spritzler referred Angeli to another doctor, Martin Pops, who prescribed Donnatal Elixir (for a minor hiatal hernia).  Donnital contains small amounts of barbiturate.  According to the book, Angeli telephoned Spritzler on the night of her death, begging him form more Doriden.  Spritzler claimed he refused, but that he gave her an injection of 10mg of Compazine, which is primarily an anti-psychotic drug.  Angeli's friend Norma Eberhardt is quoted in the book as saying that on the night of Angeli's death, after her friend Helena Sorell had discovered Angeli's body, "I took all the medicines from her bedside table, all the pills from Europe -- I didn't know what half of them were -- and dumped everything down the toilet.  I knew the police and reporters would come snooping around and I didn't want anyone finding anything...I didn't want them to say that Anna (Angeli) committed suicide." (p. 198)  Of course, as Angeli was a devout Catholic, suicide would've been a mortal sin, so it is certainly conceivable that some close to her might have wanted to portray her death as the result of something <>other than</i> suicide.  Does that mean that Angeli did> commit suicide?  Not necessarily.  But the coroner's findings were inconclusive and in lieu of knowing Angeli's intent or the exact cause of her death, we can never know for certain if she had acted to end her life.  It is reliable that she was an a distressed mental state and that she had access to medications that could've proved fatal if taken in excess or in combination. Bricology (talk) 18:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Suicide 

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message: I changed the cause of death from (anaphylactic shock...which I've never heard of being the COD) to a barbiturate overdose. Almost all of the reliable references I found state this as the cause. While I'm sure someone has a source for this, there's no source given to back it up, so a sourced claim is better than an incorrect one. Also, I was careful not to list her death as a suicide since there seems to be a dispute over this. If anyone has an issue with this, a discussion on the talk page should come before a blind revert as it seems to be debated. As I stated, I did attempt to not flat out state her death was a suicide even though the sources I've seen indicate that as being the official cause of death. Pinkadelica 06:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death 

message: A citation that would work for this is James Dean: The Biography by Val Holley, St. Martin’s Griffin, 1995, which I just finished re-reading. I know the info but dont know how to format it properly. 
Sheela  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.236.24.82 (talk) 00:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing James Dean citation 

message: This whole thing is written like a fan entry. I don't know enough about her to change anything, but there are quite a few adjectives that could be taken out. Sarah511 (talk) 18:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan entry? 

message: I have changed the name fields in the hidden  metadata section at the end of the article so that it follows the guidelines at Wikipedia:Persondata#Name, alternative names and titles as best I understand it. Those guidelines may need changing if there is consensus that name fields should match the infobox and title instead, so I added a query at Wikipedia talk:Persondata#Clarify name fields. I thought they had separate purposes. -84user (talk) 07:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I'm the one who reverted you, you could've just asked me about the edit. I don't really care enough about this to edit war, but you if you're unclear about something, changing it back to what you think it is correct doesn't make the most sense. Pinkadelica♣ 07:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persondata name fields 

message: She had an album of italian songs. Is this important enough?(mercurywoodrose)99.35.48.231 (talk) 05:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Singer