Talk:Stamp collecting

message: It's not right to only mention the U.S. with regard to souvenir sheets.  Most other countries have issued them as well. --user:Daniel C. Boyer
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Mention "cinderellas"? --user:Daniel C. Boyer
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I don't know that the Pacific Coast Rain Forest is the best example of a souvenir sheet.  In my opinion the example should be from the classic era. --Daniel C. Boyer
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Where should it mention about bourses?  --Daniel C. Boyer 20:19, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: How about a "Getting stamps" or "how collectors acquire stamps" section, enumerating the half-dozen or so various sources. Stan 21:23, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: 'Acquired stamps' section created 84.66.129.225 11:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early discussions 

message: In theory, one could have a detailed article specifically on stamp clubs; for instance, some are large and famous enough to put on their own shows and publish literature, and there is much debate in the philatelic world about the role that clubs play in the overall hobby. But might as well store the info here until it gets lengthy enough to support its own article. Stan 20:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge in [[stamp club]] 

message: I have added a section called 'Stamp collecting equipment' which has a gallery to illustrate the various items used to collect - much better than another list. I am not a serious collector, and so only have a few of the commonly used items. Therefore, I'd be grateful if other users took pictures of their equipment, so that the section is more complete. 
The gallery format works OK for now, but if more information is submitted then a table might be better.
:Check out :Category:Philately, I think you'll find many of the equipment bits already have their own articles... Stan 17:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a serious collector myself, but it seems like a watermark tray and fluid are fairly common pieces of  kit: at least, the philately article suggest that they are important. I can't find a picture of one in the Philately category. I would submit a formal picture request, but I have no experience with the success of such things.177777 16:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stamp collecting equipment picture request

message: This reads very U.S centric...as do most of the articles on philately on Wikipedia. It'd be nice if people tried to write from a more international perspective  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.146.15 (talk) 11:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S. centric

message: See BBC News, Sarkozy and the 'hobby of kings'.  Not only Sarkozy but also, e.g., Franklin D. Roosevelt (but no mention of the hobby in either WP article; lots via web search).  --71.126.55.104 (talk) 12:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out List of philatelists. Stan (talk) 14:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need section "Famous stamp collectors" 

message: The one sentence in here about postage due stamps tells absolutely nothing about them.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenachoman (talk • contribs) 21:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Postage dues

message: Can I be the only one here who wonders why [!Siddiqui on line stamps Catalogue] is the first external link, and has been for several years? Am I missing something here?   Nemodomi (talk) 00:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [!Siddiqui on line stamps Catalogue] ... pakistanphilately.com ... Really? 

message: I found one philatelic source for John Edward Gray buying Penny Blacks on the first day but without any source I am not convinced. Anyone got something better? ww2censor (talk) 21:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Patrick Hamilton's A Hundred Years of Postage Stamps, p. 122, mentions "Dr. Grey"[sic], and says that he "claimed to be one of the first, if not the first serious stamp collector in the world".  The book goes on to quote from an article that Gray wrote in Young England(?) in 1862 - "... I may state that I began to collect them shortly after the system was established, and for many years before it became a fashion ...". I don't think this is a definite answer, because the wording is vague and "after" could be referring to the bureaucratic organizing prior to the first day of sale, as Gray was knowledgeable of the postal reform.  On the flip side, I'm sure that quite a few people bought stamps on that first day, and why would an interested person like Gray not go down himself to see how it was going?  Still, we would need him to say something definite before we can include. Stan (talk) 23:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dr John Gray also "... claimed to have pioneered postal reforms, including the adoption of adhesive stamps, as early as 1834" according to James Mackay in The Guiness Book of Stamps, p. 73. This claim is also mentioned by Rowland Hill in one of his books. JPKos (talk) 01:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An article in the unfortunately named Stamp Lover from 1908 states that Dr Gray "...claimed to have started shortly after 1840." and in James A. Mackay's The Complete Guide to Stamps and Stamp Collecting it is stated that on the first day that the Penny Black was issued Dr Gray bought some as a memento and the same when the 2d Blue was issued and so on. In other words, he was not really collecting at first. I suppose the question is when do you have a collection, not on the first one but possibly when you have two or three? This sort of behaviour was typical of Gray and his work at the British Museum. Mackay was a terrible plagiarist, but I have never found him to be factually wrong. This story about Gray is an old one and I am sure a good source will turn up before long. Maidonian (talk) 01:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: John Edward Gray

message: To me,  the phrase "No matter what one's interest, there are almost always stamps that will complement that interest.", in the 
Stamp Collecting section doesn't seem to add to the article. It kind of has a slogany, "Come join our stamp club :D!" feel.
74.10.242.204 (talk) 15:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Chopped that sentence as it was copied from the cited website and as you say rather meaningless hype. Vsmith (talk) 15:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section "Stamp Collecting" phrasing 

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message: I believe that there needs to be a section on stamp exhibitions and competitions.
There probably should also be a List of philatelic organizations, or at least a mention of the primary ones in the article.The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk)
:There is Philatelic exhibition which redirects from Stamp show and a category for Philatelic organizations. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:26, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Terrific!  Now all we need is a link to it from this page!  The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 22:25, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exhibiting Stamps 

message: I have removed the statement -..."but is now in decline with the rise of the internet which has sharply reduced the number of postal items arriving in households."<BR>
This seems very much to be original research.  It is also very dubious, and is not supported by the reference given.  The cite is just the opinion of the writer, and while he mentiones the internet, he does not support the claim that it is the cause of the decline.<BR>
Only an incredibly small percentage of the millions of each stamp produced ends up in a collection, so the decline in stamped mail would not have any affect.  Most stamp collectors do not intend to collect an example of every stamp issued throughout the year.<BR>
While there seems to have been a massive decline in stamp collecting from its 19c heyday, it seems to have started in the post-war years decades before the internet was even thought of.<BR>
Other parts of the article have dealers saying the hobby is not in decline.<BR>
The reference was https://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/apr/13/stamp-collectors-catalogues-philately-clubs
--Dmol (talk) 21:52, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decline due to internet.  

message: I've chopped the "Modern collecting" section as it was unsourced and overly promotional with multiple inline external links. Such a section would be a valid addition to the article - if properly sourced and without promotional content. Vsmith (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The modern section was not promotional but correctly identified those people that have influenced the hobby for modern collectors. You cannot source 'social media accounts' without linking to the social media accounts. Especially where these accounts are not accepted or understood by the tradition philatelic organisations. In addition, the 'Organization' section is now highly promotional, North American/UK centric and contain general societies that have no real presence in the international community.
124.169.117.42 (talk) 07:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section removed 

message: This article is based solely on traditional stamp collecting and contains no information about the massive online world of stamp collecting.
By the early 2000s stamp collecting was seen to be in decline as the digital world surpassed traditional hobbies even though by 2013, The Wall Street Journal estimated the global number of stamp collectors was around 60 million.
This is misleading. Traditional philatelic organisations are dying (attendance at stamp clubs, societies etc which is usually the basis for the health of the hobby). This does not mean that philately is dying and the reference is now well-out of date. The content should reflect that users have moved to social media. Social media influencers such as Exploring Stamps have a base following equal to that of the American Philatelic Society. Most smaller channels have more than most stamp clubs and the demographics are usually under 50. 
It's a negative statement that does not reflect the true health of the hobby.
124.169.117.42 (talk) 07:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article does not reflect modern collecting 

message: The organization section is highly promotional. While the APS and PTS are large organisations, they should not be singled out within the article. The Collectors Club is regional and has no real importance internationally to any other regional societies (it also contains almost a history of this one sole society). This is the same with the Cinderella Stamp Club (UK) etc. 
The article should focus on the role of the traditional stamp club/society, and the movement over the last 10 years to social media accounts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.117.42 (talk) 07:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organizations