Talk:Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada/Archive 1

message: Nothing in the world can be major unless it is in the US, and is popular with all Americans.  The US is the world's only major country and is the only country to make contributions towards winning wars for freedom, inventing all technology, and creating all culture.
AveJoe, you're vandalism to the article will always reverted and you will eventually be banned from here. You're comments make no sense.--BoyoJonesJr 17:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The NHL qualifies as a major league, as discussed on this page.  --FrankCostanza 23:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we know that the NHL's TV contract (120 million/year) is approximately a fourth of the NBA or MLB TV contracts, so if you set the major league status at 500 million/year, that would exclude the NFL. But, we also know that the NFL TV contract at 2.2 billion/year is four times that of the NBA or MLB, and that would put the NFL in an "ultra-league" or "mega-league" status of its own. Plus, there are other factors that determine major-league status, including player salaries, franchise stability, etc. and the NHL is consistent with all of them, whereas MLS and AFL is not. 
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Major league sports aren't a tradition thing. saying that something can never be a major league is a little harsh. look at the AFL of the 1960's. it didn't have a contract since the 1940's and it became a major league. to repeat myself major league's aren't a tradition. you can't just say that these three leagues will be the three forever. thats completely illogical. your point has no argument in it. your just saying that it cant be a major league, you haven't given any good reason other than "these leagues are the major ones and thats the way it is."  than you destroy any possibility of argument by saying "FOX coverage of the NHL doesn't qualify the NHL, as FOX didn't televise the NHL until recently, and FOX didn't exist in the 1940's." i mean seriously. how old are you? who cares if fox didn't televise it until recently, of if it didn't exist in the 40's? thats not only irrelevant. but just plain idiotic.
Ok, Fine. australian sports dont belong, great. however i highly disagree with you decsion to delete the NHL (again!) first of all, there was no Television in the 1940's, so i suppose you mean radio. but back than the NBA didn't exist. and by no means was it "major" back then. second of all, what the hell does having a contract in the 1940's have to do with being a major sport today?  things have changed. NHL ratings abroad in the U.S. are up 31% so far, and in some regions like San Jose they're up 175%. now if TV contracts is everything, and it gets one next year or the year after that, how does that disqualify it? because it hasn't had one for 60 years? wheres the logic? third of all, the sentence "The NHL losing an entire season also disqualifies it as a major sport, as no major sport has ever lost an entire season." is redundant because if you do consider the NHL a major sport than one major sport has lost an entire season. your disqualifying it before you even say your reason. if you want to make a good argument you should say "no OTHER major sport has lost an entire season". and what the hell does that have to do with anything anyways? please explain how that disqualifies it as major. and finally, this article is about major professional sports leagues. key word: LEAGUE! whether the SPORT is played in high schools has nothing to do with the actual league. cheers.
Australian sports doesn't belong here. 
The NHL is not a major league, and can never be, as it has never had a full-season contract with the three major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) since the 1940's, as the other leagues have.  Even today, the NHL has never had a full-season contract with these networks.  FOX coverage of the NHL doesn't qualify the NHL, as FOX didn't televise the NHL until recently, and FOX didn't exist in the 1940's.
The NHL losing an entire season also disqualifies it as a major sport, as no major sport has ever lost an entire season.
Also, ice hockey is not played at the high school level in most areas of the United States.
(AvgJoe 01:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Yeah, the NHL TV contract is much smaller than the NBA and MLB contracts, but the NHL still had spots on top tier US networks like Fox, ABC-ESPN, and now NBC and OLN.  In addition, if we considered the size of TV contracts alone to determine major league status, that would put the NFL in a league of its own since its contract is 4 times that of the NBA or MLB.
Can someone please just put the NHL back up there, enough of this "stick with three major sports only" crap. I understand not needing the australian major sports as well, however, Hockey is still a very popular sport north american wise. (which I assume this page is about, other wise soccer would definately need to be up there).
Agreed. Everything about the NHL fits the criteria set out by the article itself. Anyone who says therwise is an ignorant dolt. The previous version of the article was much more informative, as well. --oknazevad 13:06, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

text: It at least has to be mentioned. It's not like there's no doubt about it and wikipedia's supposed to cover all points of view. Golfcam 15:28, 22 November 2005 (UTC)