Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2005

message: Why on earth not a discussion page for the great Eurovision Sog Contest?
:Because I think that Talk pages are generally reserved for discussion of the article rather than the topic it is about. I could be wrong, I don't know the convention, but all the Talk pages I have seen seem to follow that pattern. Sinistro 09:01, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are quite right. Wikipedia is not a general discussion forum, and the talk pages exist for editorial discussions about what the article should say (although other comments are acceptable up to a point). — Trilobite (Talk) 18:49, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

message: It was me Dankell who updated first who won the ESC 2005. In CET 00.33 22 May, I just have to say it! (Any Swedes? Check out the swedish update i did too: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovisionsschlagerfestivalen_2005)
*Its not that much of a big deal, although congratulations I guess. Hedley 23:51, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  First update 

message: This article needs updating from top through bottom. Hedley 23:51, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating 

message: I heard that one of the backers for Andorra had represented Spain before. --Error 04:33, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Anabel Conde, who finished 2nd, some years ago. --Waninoco 23:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Andorra

message: I am not sure but winner song was very similar to awaara hoon (A song from an old indian movie awaara).
Such a coward not to put your nickname!--Chronisgr 11:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Number One (stolen???) 

message: We're getting warning messages about it. I think we can safely delete the massive end section with "information" about each entry. Most of it is fluff and of limited interest.
:Denmark's entry has to be shortened. The song list is irrelevant. All other festivals have a page for the specific year, and that's what has to be done for Denmark's Melodi Grand Prix to, even if it means creating a stub. └ VodkaJazz/talk┐ 14:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to agree on this point. We can't have half of the editors adding stuff and another half cutting it out! └ VodkaJazz/talk┐ 11:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is too long. 

message: Helena Papirizou is born in Greece, but she lives in Sweden, gothenburg! She speaks swedish and have also competed for sweden before. After the ESC, every newspaper in Sweden wrote like Sweden almost won.. (because of Helena s Swedish!) --dankell
Oh c'mon that's so silly. Helena is Greek but raised in Sweden. She represented twice Greece and never Sweden. She speaks Greek,Swedish,English,French and Spanish. Helena loves Sweden & Greece!--Chronisgr 22:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish! 

message: GerardT, wasn't Malta also a favorite ? Maybe I'm of part but still... VodkaJazz 19:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Runaway 

message: It was written that Serbia and Montenegro song was performed in Montenegrin language, which is not true. In the time of the contest, official language of both Serbia and Montenegro was Serbian language. (see Constitution of Montenegro) Vanjagenije (talk) 08:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think some random user changed that a few days ago, but I wasn't sure which it was so I left it alone. If you feel you are right, change it. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 12:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Serbia had as the official language Serbo-Croatian language according to Constitution of Serbia at the time (2005). It was the new Constitution of Serbia that again made Serbian language official. Montenegro has as its official language the Montenegrin language. -- Imbris (talk) 23:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To the IP-user: Stop adding Serbian language. The group came from Montenegro. Also the Constitution of the Republic of Serbia proscribed the formal official language as Serbo-Croatian. The Constitutional Charter of the State Union had not proscribed the official languages in the constituent republic's. -- Imbris (talk) 23:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The song Zauvijek moja was sung in Montenegrin, it contains the word đevojko if I remember correctly, that word is not in use in the standard Serbian language. The IP-user should stop, and Grk1011 should turn-on his neutrality to solve this. -- Imbris (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The same IP-user also edit-wars at Eurovision Song Contest 2007 even if 'Ajde, kroči was written and sung in the Montenegrin language. -- Imbris (talk) 22:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now its my duty to come to the rescue? I don't know enough about the languages to get involved in another back and forth discussion. I would suggest page protection if the IP persists to change the language without a reason or source and would ask you, Imbris, to add a source that talks about the song in question. An analysis of the lyrics or a reference to the constitution will not suffice; the reference needs to say that the song was sung in x language. With a source like that, it is clear for every editor which language is correct (for the most part). Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 23:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not your duty, but if you could help. I am not a general ESC editor. -- Imbris (talk) 00:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Language of the Serbia and Montenegro song

message: I watched Eurovision final recently and noticed that the flag is Serbian. Is there a mistake or everything were OK? --Martlarkis (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If I remember correctly, the "wrong" flag appeared once, and was seconds latter replaced by the "correct" blue-white-red one. This happened just once, and most probably as a provocation by the ESC crew from Sweden. -- Imbris (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Serbia & Montenegro flag 

message: Take a look at this AfD for a Eurovision 2005 related article on Suntribe. Users with Eurovision 2005 knowledge needed here.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:21, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Look at this

message: You're not wrong when saying that the Yugoslav flag is used on the official site and during the voting segment, but prior to the performance you can see that the flag used was the red-blue-white one. Also, the state of the site in 2024 is irrelevant when talking about what the situation was like in 2005. Perhaps using two flags corresponding to the places where each one was used would be an option? — IмSтevan talk 17:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The FR Yugoslavia flag, which was essentially the de facto flag of Serbia and Montenegro between 2003 and 2006 was also used on the Eurovision website back in 2005. It's also the flag used on the cover art of the official compilation album. Additionally, while you're correct that there was no de jure agreement between the two nations during the existence of the State Union, the flag that you added to the article was never adopted in any legal manner by Serbia and Montenegro during its existence, so I believe adding it here would be misleading (and which is also expressly forbidden to include on articles per the file's description). Given that the graphics elsewhere during both shows used the FR Yugoslavia flag (in the semi-final during the finalists announcement, and in the voting segment of the final), I believe it is reasonable to assume that the flag used in the on-screen graphics for the SCG entry was an error by the production team, and shouldn't be considered an attempt by either RTS, RTCG or the EBU to use a different flag to the one that was the de facto flag of the country used internationally. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 20:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair. Just pointing out that the description also it can be used "if the flag is locally used" and this would've been such case — IмSтevan talk 20:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of SCG