Talk:Geronimo

message: footnote #19 no longer leads to the proper link.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.93.38.85 (talk) 22:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong footnotes 

message: "he was a brave idian who almost lead raids but was always caught before he could start his raids on the mexaicans and americans.He dislike resereions so him and his followers escaped a couple times like 5 to 4 times does not belong under Religion.  
Geronimo was brave but the americans did not have a good record of keeping him from leaving the reservations they put him in.  Reservations had no fences to keep people in or out, they were not like Forts.  The Chiruchua Apache bands (Geronimo's group) were probably moved (but not caught) from different reservations the most and constantly tried to return to their homeland (big surprise).  They had to take livestock and food from others (in 'raids') to survive when they were on the run or when they were starving while living on a reservation. --Rcollman 16:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  deletion 

message: I apologize if my edits offend anyone.   I tried to keep many of the words and ideas and don't believe I really added anything "new".
In the edit of this section, I relied upon his autobiography and then other books cited in the references.  He was a very traditional Chiricahua Apache by his own account.   I have tried to stay away from more obvious judgements and non-traditional romantic characterizations.  Obviously, he had no love for those who killed or raided his people. And obviously the feeling was often mutual.   
I called him a military leader because that is the best, shortest translation for a non-Apache reader. He said he was never a "chief". I did find lots of references by non-Chiricahua Apaches that state he was a cheif and/or a medicine man.  While Geronimo uses the term "Mexicans", he clearly says that units of the Mexican Army killed his family and he initially sought revenge against them.  Likewise, I prefer not to use "Apache" by itself, unless it refers to non-native americans (grin).    
I confess, I put the biography section into more of a timeline (my cultural preference).  I left and edited the description about his autobiography because I am a big fan of oral history and I like Turner's introduction.  --Rcollman 15:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography Comments by Rcollman 26 November 2006 (UTC) 

message: Both these names are used in the article. Is there a reason for that?
:commonly known as a "typo", probably a dyslexic typo.  I make mistakes like that when I work too long w/o sleep.  But on the other hand, if the soldiers of the first revenge incident after the death of Goiapla's other, wife and small children were indeed appealing to St.Jerome, then Geronimo might make sense.  If that is the case, it should be stated and refd in the article, or omitted.  Rags (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geronimo vs. Geromino 

message: ...he hated all Mexicans for the rest of his life. His Mexican friends gave him the nickname...
This is confusing, to say the least :-) --Calair 00:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexicans 

message: I went on a tour this morning of Skeleton Canyon, including the capture site of Geronimo, and took some photographs.  The relevant one of the pile of stones marking the surrender site is available on Commons here if someone sees it fit to add to the page. --LoganCale (talk | contribs) 22:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs of Skeleton Canyon 

message: What does this mean in the first para of the biography section?  It's been there since the first version of the article.  Rojomoke 09:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hell(tori) 

message: "Geronimo was raised with the traditional religious view of the Native Americans but by his own testimony this system left many questions unanswered."  That suggests that Native Americans by and large held more or less the same religious view.  I don't really know, but that seems very unlikely.  140.147.160.78 19:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion, calling him a Medicine Man, or a Chief out of respect is fine.  However, these are not Apache or Chiricahua terms.  I would feel comfortable in calling a priest, monk, deacon, bishop and pope, as "Reverend", or even "Medicine Man" for that matter and mean it in a respectful manner. Likewise a president (political or corporate), mayor, public safety or military official can also (and sometimes are) be respectufully addressed as Chief  but their roles in their society can be very different.  --Rcollman 13:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American religion? 

message: In the paragraph about the theft of his remains the line "– including Prescott Bush, father and grandfather of Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush respectively – "  is out of place, it seems to imply that the Bush family had something to do with the theft.  Did they?
::8YES! Prescott Bush not only helped the Nazis, but also personally dug the remains of Geronimo and disgraced his family. Just google it!--Persianhistory2008 11:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skull and Bones 

message: ... why do some people shout "Geronimo" when they jump down from somewhere? 84.115.129.76 09:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WW2 American paratroopers originated the custom during stateside training; legend (possibly true) says it started on a dare: http://ask.yahoo.com/20060315.html  rewinn 03:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The story as handed down at the U.S. Army Airborne School, Ft. Benning, Georgia, is that two men got into a bet regarding the fear of a first jump.  They agreed that if the subject of the bet had the presence of mind to shout something specific into the air as he left the airplane, then he would have demonstrated his fearlessness.  The men agreed on "Geronimo" as something that would not ordinarily come to mind and would demonstrate clear thought.  For a time, this became tradition.  I'm pretty sure I can dig up a published source for this if necessary, but it's probably too trivial for this article.  Rklawton (talk) 03:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouting "Geronimo" ... 

message: According to this source, there is apparently dispute over whether Geronimo was born in New Mexico or Arizona.  Which birthplace should the article use?  RJaguar3 | u | t 16:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace? 

message: I think there is room on wikipedia (best on a disambiguation page) for the fact that a non-profit software company may have named a computer application with the name of a great native warrior.  But it should not be prominently on the page of this great warrior who never used electricity when he was in his prime.  RJaguar, i never removed the fact that a computer company made an application with this great warrior's name (even though that is what you believe, from the messages you sent me)....., i merely moved it to the bottom of the names list.
:I'm sorry, I did not see that it was moved.  I agree.  However, next time, be sure to use the edit summary features so that it is clear what you are doing.  RJaguar3 | u | t 03:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Software name 

message: The biography began with "Gay boy (Geronimo)..." - I went ahead and changed that to the original beginning.  IP address of the guy who did it is 71.226.60.30 - history shows he's made 'revisions' to the NEXTEL Cup article and the Disturbed (band) article.
-LedFloyd  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.133.123.219 (talk) 01:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted all 7 vandalism edits made by 71.226.60.30 and posted a Level 1 Warning on his or her talk page. I also requested semi-protection, since the page has been vandalized multiple times in the past.--PsychoPiglet (talk) 12:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I declined protection.  All of those vandalism edits went unfixed for 10 hours!  Anyone reading this please watchlist this article because vandalism going unfixed for that long is a travesty.  —Wknight94 (talk) 12:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: This says he was "almost certainly" born before 1829, despite Geronimo's own testimony.  --  JackofOz (talk) 01:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very good question.  Anyone know where the 16th came from?  If it can't be cited, it needs to be removed.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  06:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Geronimo himself wrote that he was born in June, 1829. I doubt that his mother had a calendar on hand in No-doyohn canyon, so the exact date is probably not known. —Stephen (talk) 07:43, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Three years on: I've removed all reference to the 16th of the month from the article.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 12:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of birth

message: If a gnome has a minute to format this - it goes with the section about Geronimo's capture:  
*Rau, R., Lawton-Forgotten Warrior  A Commemorative Biography, Copyright 1998 Library of Congress
Rklawton (talk) 03:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lawton - source

message: Sorry - re-posting comment because I didn't sign:
Has anyone noticed that it says he jumped off Medicine Bluff on his "Cadillac horse?"  Is this vandalism to tie-in the song?  Or am I missing something?
Legume420 (talk) 19:17, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Popular Culture'''

message: This section has gotten way out of hand.  Would there be any ojbections if I trimmed it back significantly?  Rklawton (talk) 14:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. Please do. JNW (talk) 14:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OMG please, yes. We don't need a list of everytime someone yelled "Geronimo" when jumping off something. --Evb-wiki (talk) 14:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only ones I could see keeping are the 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment reference and possibly the Liberty ship. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 16:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Added paratrooper info with reference and short cut.  He was a big part of the airborne for a long time.  Not just the 501st.Logjam42 (talk) 19:20, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

text: The Military Usage section in the main article does not mention Forward Operating Base Geronimo, which has a Wikipedia stub.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Operating_Base_Geronimo.  This has the potential to become interesting as there is a proposal to change the names of US military installations currently named for people who have taken up arms against the US.  This would presumably include Geronimo and any other Native Americans thus honored. Tomligon (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular culture

message: who is geronimo hr  wdwnerh232  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.150.75.75 (talk) 16:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't you know that you can't tell character from a face?  Kostaki mou (talk) 00:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  geronimo 

message: Was he an ancestor of Benjamin Button?  I tried to correct the caption, but couldn't get in it to edit it.  Kostaki mou (talk) 00:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Born at the age of 179?

message: The article seems to indicate his name was actually "Goyaałé", but does not say how it went from that to "Geronimo".--Ericjs (talk) 07:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  His name 

message: I couldn't find the links to the letter owned by Yale that substantiates the claim of theft.  Here are the links:
http://images.library.yale.edu/madid/showthumb.aspx?q=322
http://images.library.yale.edu/madid/oneItem.aspx?id=1777201&q=322&q1=&q2=&qc1=&qc2=&qf1=&qf2=&qn=&qo=&qm=&qs=&sid=&qx=
http://images.library.yale.edu/madid/oneItem.aspx?id=1777202&q=322&q1=&q2=&qc1=&qc2=&qf1=&qf2=&qn=&qo=&qm=&qs=&sid=&qx=
http://images.library.yale.edu/madid/oneItem.aspx?id=1777203&q=322&q1=&q2=&qc1=&qc2=&qf1=&qf2=&qn=&qo=&qm=&qs=&sid=&qx=
I'm not sure how to include these, but I think they should go into the article.  If they are already there somewhere, and I missed them, please excuse me.  Thank you 206.109.195.126 (talk) 01:38, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Yale Letter

message: Natives of America born outside of the USA or Canada are conciderd Latinos or Hispanics and not Native. Are Maya's native NO are Aztecs native No are Inca's native no so why is Geronimo?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.134.154.25 (talk) 18:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling them Latinos or Hispanics is an artifact of people in the U.S. being blind to the distinction.  In Chiapas, (a state in southern Mexico), there is a distinction made between Spaniards, indigenous (closest English word), and everyone else.  Spaniards are the unusually fair skinned types of Spanish descent, indigenous are natives who maintain their traditional culture, and everyone else is plain Mexican.  The Mayan tribes in the area (contrary to popular belief, the Mayans are not a monolithic group, so no one calls a tribe Maya, they call it by it's more specific name) do not consider themselves Mexican; the Mexican governments attempts to force the issue started the Zapatista rebellion and eventually led to some tribes gaining a status somewhat similar to that of the U.S.'s reservations; the law is tribal, with reduced interference from the central government.  Similarly, the recent populist movements in Bolivia and Ecuador were partially driven by those that consider themselves natives, not Hispanics.  And this is all in the 21st century.  In Geronimo's time, the West was not nearly as populous as today, and American culture had not disseminated in many areas.  Claiming that over a hundred years ago, Geronimo did not count as a native is willfully blind. ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 21:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American? 

message: Native Americans have changed from the time the first Europeans came to the lands we now call Canada, United States, and Mexico.  Native Americans have always been on these lands.  They did not come across the Bering Strait.  Life did not just evolve in Asia, Europe, and Africa, if you believe in evolution. Life existed in these lands too long before the words race, color, or nationality came into the scene.  How is it that people were here long before Europeans came to these lands?  Another interesting question is how is it that people already existed in eastern countries?  Where did they come from?  Did all things come from Europe first?  Was this part of the earth empty like the moon we know?  Who knows since there are no written records that can be officially confirmed by anybody that is truly credible?  Native Americans were conquered by Europeans but you can still see Native Americans today in the people that look like Native Americans or that we call Native Americans. Native Americans today are the offspring of early Native Americans and Europeans that have not been allowed to feel at home even though these lands have always been there home.  We have been made to feel like we don't belong anywhere.  This is not acceptable.  Maybe, there is a sensible reason for this or maybe this will change in a humane way in the distant future.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.171.30 (talk) 02:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: All the evidence does point to Native Americans arriving via the Bering Straight. Native Americans are most closely related to the people of NW Asia. Yes, there were people here long before Europeans arrived, the crossed the Bering Straight according to current estimates around 13,000 years ago. Prior to that, there was of course life in the Americas, just no people. There is of course no written evidence, but plenty of archaeological evidence. Of course there are still Native Americans, and there has been various degrees of intermarriage.--RLent (talk) 17:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Native Americans 

message: Alleged theft of skull: removal of the term "urban legend".
 
The claim is clearly not an "urban legend" and therefore can not be labelled one. Since it is abundantly clear that when there exists evidence (as in police evidence, often referred to as "leads", or indications of probability if one will, but not 'evidence', as in "proof positive"), hence, whenever you have some or more evidence, indications of any kind that point to certain events that coincide with what needs to take place for actual events to actually have unfolded in a hypothesised manner, you then have a certain value or indication of a degree and order of probability. The more such evidence or indication of possibility, the higher the degree of probability, therefore, this cannot in any way shape or form be described as or said to be consistent with the term "urban legend". 
The article itself states as a presumably verifiable fact that we have several such indications, and whatever value is ascribed to its degree of probability:
"[..]received an anonymous letter with a photograph and a copy of a log book claiming that Skull & Bones held the skull."
and "[..]6 members of skull and bones were stationed at Fort Sill." 
The Secret Society is also named Skull and Bones and has an insignia of a skull with cross bones, so it is neither unreasonable nor improbable but rather highly probable that such a society would seek to possess several versions of its insignia as is the custom and tradition for most all societies. 
It is not urban legend that such societies or indeed any society of young men to seek notoriety and fame through similar such and other actions, indeed it is possible to say that similar actions are tradition throughout the north atlantic cultures, if not even further afield. So it can be held that it is both a tradition and a commonplace activity for youth to engage in a variety of actions that are analogous with the suggested events. 
it is therefore more than likely enough that the possibility is, not merely possible and probable, but it also contains a degree of judicial likelihood as well as a degree of probability already far greater than evidence that indicates improbability, in fact there is absolutely no evidence or indication to suggests that the events could not have taken place. Urban legends are commonly and for the most part characterised by the very fact that they have been discounted in one ore more ways or forms. 
Similarly, the claim that Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy is not an "urban legend" even though there is no proof positive that Oswald actually perpetrated the crime, however else likely or unlikely,substantiated or unsubstantiated it may or may not be. 
The order of probability can even be a mathematically objective one since it can even be given an order of probability through giving or assigning a value to each necessary element that is needed for the event to be actual fact, wherein the order can even be assigned unknown values to account for lacking evidence of series of events needed for the equation to hold true, this is a method which is commonly utilised by the scientific community and indeed is both the basis and a necessity for much of the research in our present time and culture. 
Any equation or Game theory and the feasibility of the outcome, allows for it to be both a possibility and a probability no matter what order, and can therefore not by any stretch of the imagination be labelled an "urban legend", similarly other postulations on historic events that contain similar indications are never characterised as urban legend.  
If this is not accepted as the case much if not most completely verifiable and commonly held historic research must be deemed or characterised "urban legend" and given such a qualifier. This is clearly not reasonable for all matters that are subject to ambiguity or further historical research as this case also must be considered as being subject to. It is at the present an allegation that has a degree of plausibility and possibility that can be assigned likelihood according to research and analogous events and similar cases in a scientific manner no matter the degree of likelihood of correctness of the resulting answer.
We have here in actual fact several very likely and highly possible indications (more than one or two) and greater levels of probability that have more possible and probable positive outcomes for the alleged suggestion to hold true, than we have of any discounted or negative indications that indicate negative values, or indications that the alleged act could not have taken place. In fact we have absolutely no evidence that indicates that it is more logical to discount the possibility, or that even points to such a dismissal as being a reasonable conclusion to draw for the greatest amount of accuracy to be achieved.
I do not wish to enter into any lengthy and tiresome debates on this, which is why I have tried to make this as exhaustive a reasoning as possible to prevent unclarity.  Thank you for your time, I hope this is sufficient to avoid wasting any more time on the matter. Sincerely. Nunamiut (talk) 22:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged theft of skull: removal of the term "urban legend" 

message: Seems to me at least, that if the birth place is listed as Gila River, Mexico under the assumption that it was not New Mexico at the time, I would argue that it was not the "Gila River" at that time either.  For consistency with the text, you could add "present-day" New Mexico.  But I for one was confused by the use of Mexico in the info-box, whereas it was adequately explained where space was not so limited in the text.  Pinethicket (talk) 15:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll grant, it's not as cut and dry as I thought when I made the revert.  It would help if there were some general policy for this (use date of event or use modern day designation).  Either one seems likely to lead to confusion, and full details are generally too long for the infobox. -ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 17:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I thought consistency was the best policy--all new names or all old names but not a combination.  So to me, Gila River, New Mexico is OK; Rio Gila, Mexico is OK.  But in my opinion, there was never a Gila River, Mexico (although I admit that it had me studying the map!).  I'll look around and see how others handle this issue; it is not unique to this article. Pinethicket (talk) 23:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth place

message: The Spanish wikipedia says he was born six years earlier.  Which is correct? 98.71.218.248 (talk) 18:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He was born in June, 1829. —Stephen (talk) 19:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: There are sources citing the 1823 birthdate, I believe Adams is one.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 19:26, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please present them here for appraisal, thanks. Adams, ok, I think we should allow Geronimo some good faith, there are no records at all, so.. His statement is more than enough for me. Off2riorob (talk) 19:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's 6 I found within 5 minutes: 
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--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 19:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: As I said there were and are no records, there are various claims, personally I don't have a problem with this, I have not read his autobio that I presume he dictated, I also imagine when he was born borders were non existent, do you see any of the details presently in the article as a big issue in need of correcting? Off2riorob (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: See Date of Birth above.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  error on birthdate? 

message: The article could certainly use some references to and brief synopsis of the battles Geronimo fought - given his reputation as a warrior. I added a link in the lede to the Apache Wars which briefly covers the period.Tttom1 (talk) 06:14, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battles of the [[Apache Wars]] Geronimo fought? 

message: Geronimo is actually a Spanish name.
Goyahkla (Geronimo's original name) and his people had arrived in the town to trade, the women and children were left in a wash(Safe place) to wait for them while they did their business. A mob from another area arrived and murdered most of them. When Goyahkla came out of town to where they were and saw what had happened, he and his people retreated out of mexico. He was so grief strucken that he wanted to die, which was against his people's beliefs. He returned to mexico and killed every man in sight wanting to die a warrior's death.
A young Spanish officer had arrived from Spain into one of the area's Goyahkla was killing in. The officer witnessed Goyahkla, and said that he reminded him of a character named Geronimo from a popular play in Spain. The character's wife and kids had been murdered and he went out for vengeance hoping to die, but was extremely brave.
That is straight from Geronimo's 100 year old nephew. Every thing else is either a right out lie or somehow divergent from this.
http://ia700306.us.archive.org/5/items/BVRN123108/show_317029_joined.mp3
Robert Morgan talks about Geronimo's nephew and similar things.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.142.180 (talk) 07:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No it's Not! That's another misunderstanding by the Anglos (Americans always thinking every latin sounding name is 'Spanish' they can't tell the difference between Italian/Portuguese). Behindthename has Geronimo is an ITALIAN name http://www.behindthename.com/name/geronimo. It's Spanish form is Jerónimo from the Greek name Jerome (given name) and it's pronounced differently with an "H" sound.--76.213.230.71 (talk) 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, you're close but you've got it backwards and you aren't quoting your source accurately; the hate speech is unnecessary and hypocritical when you yourself apparently can't tell the difference between Spanish and Italian. Geronimo is Spanish, from the Greek Jerome according to your source but more likely from the Latin form of the Greek Hieronymos; Jeronimo is the Italian version. Canonblack (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

text: What other transcriptions? It is pronounced . —Stephen (talk) 18:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Geronimo Name origin

message: According to the article, "[Geronimo] was one of many people with special spiritual insights and abilities known to Apache people as "Power". Among these were the ability to walk without leaving tracks; the abilities now known as telekinesis and telepathy; and the ability to survive gunshot (rifle/musket, pistol, and shotgun)." 
That seems unlikely.--216.165.45.145 (talk) 02:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Powers

message: The multiple links under   'Alleged theft of skull' for  - Yale secret society of Skull and Bones -  seem somewhat inappropriate. The Yale Secret Society of Skull and Bones is one organisation - linking it to three articles is no help at all. A bit like Lord Privy Seal (term)
--John Price (talk) 21:50, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Secret Society

message: Funny enough that nobody ever mentioned a song about Geronimo. Maybe because its singer, Lorne Greene is normally known as a Bonanza actor? Well, don't underestimate this guy's singing abilities; his baritone is quite rich and got this typical storyteller's timbre needed for these kinds of songs. Said Greene did "Geronimo" back in 1965. Just thought I'd prevent it from falling into oblivion. -andy 217.50.63.227 (talk) 12:31, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song about Geronimo 

message: I wonder if we may possibly by doing our readers a bit of a disservice by having one section on military usage being about the naming of the Bin Laden raid, while walling off its traditional usage by the military regarding Geronimo's name being a cry of valor when jumping out of an airborne military vehicle and into a dangerous and possibly fatal hostile situation. I'm not saying there's a definitive connection per WP:OR, but by splitting those two uses up, we may be somewhat capriciously preventing our readers to decide whether or not there might be a connection.
But I know this is a sensitive subject so I wanted to give fair warning before I any further considered the possibly merging the sections into something like "In military and popular culture". -- Kendrick7talk 04:42, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is military usage very different from popular usage? 

message: 1) The Skull and Bones section seems unnecessarily long for the overall length of the article, given that it is essentially a historical footnote in the grand scheme of all things related to Geronimo. Additionally, there are a collection of dead links or questionable ones. I think this really needs to be pared down to a paragraph at most. It can essentially be summed up as, "there have been persistent rumors and lawsuits alleging that Yale's Secret Society of Skull and Bones appropriated Geronimo's skull and other effects, which the society denies." Anything else is bringing up big questions of notability and due weight in the article. It certainly doesn't need to be anywhere near as long as it is. It is completely out of proportion to the rest of the article. It's essentially competing allegations and denials. Unless anyone disagrees soon, I will make a proposed edit. I have absolutely no dog in the Skull and Bones fight, I just think the section has been grossly over-reported here.
2) I like the interesting bit about the military use of Geronimo as a valor phrase. However, I question whether the b-westerns.com source is reputable. Please add another, or a more reputable, source, or delete this content.
204.65.34.204 (talk) 23:05, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight to Skull and Bones controversey, questionable military references 

message: I just noticed that, in the photo of Geronimo with his 3 kinsmen (about one-third down from top of page), he seems to be holding an obsolete flint-action musket and they seem to have the latest military technology, repeating lever-action rifles. I don't know weps and could have the details wrong, but this strikes me as unexpected. Anyone know more? Was there ever any question about his authority relative to other warriors? 
BTW I'm putting my comments here because someone has started crossing off text and since they didn't close that effect, my notes were also shown as crossed out. Just one more way Wikipedia militates against new and occasional editors... Also, my personal preference is for "External Links Modified" to go together at the very end of the talk page. alacarte (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intrigued by rifles 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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message: Geronimo was a Catholic believer as well as a Spanish speaker. The traditional WASP interpretation of him being a beast that hadn't had any contact with "white males" is far from being true. He was educated by Spanish-speaking Catholic monks and he studied Law. “Gerónimo” (Spanish for Jerome) is a Christian name that he received when he got baptized as a Catholic. 
We have to understand that his biography has been silenced since he had committed three sins: he was not only a non-white man (enough to be killed by the US Army during that time), but also a Catholic (unacceptable for a Protestant nation) and a Hispanic (unacceptable for an Anglo-Saxon nation). DiegoPonga (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The origin of his name Geronimo is perfectly plausible. Can you present sources for that? (Please note than being a speaker of Spanish does not make one Hispanic. Ranchers along the border normally speak Spanish; those who are gringo are often stereotypically gringo.) Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 20:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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message: In the introduction, it claims that "Geronimo’s people were not buffalo hunters." However, in his autobiography, he says, "Out on prairies, which ran up to our mountain homes, wandered herds of deer, antelope, elk and buffalo, to be slaughtered when we needed them.  Usually we hunted buffalo on horseback, killing them with arrows and spears. Their skins were used to make tepees and bedding; their flesh, to eat. (Geronimo, my life. Dover Publications, 2005. pg 19).  
Also, I have seen many other sources that indicate that his tribe did hunt buffalo (the Apache wiki page, for example).
It seems the previous is trying to make a politically correct sort of observation/revision, but the original statement is simply not factual.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.93.132.70 (talk) 14:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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message: Geronimo's real name is Goyahkla. 24.255.2.68 (talk) 03:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geronimo's real name