Talk:New College of Florida

message: It's "New College of Florida," not "The New College of Florida."  The "The" neither represents common usage at NCF, nor is grammatically necessary.  I have removed the definite article at the beginning of the article.  (Note: I am a New College alumnus.)--MitchS 23:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I changed it to be more specific. And I reinserted the brighter, more cheeful image from NCF public affairs, as it is the sole NCF image on file in Wikipedia that is offically taken under the direction of NCF. Tripe 00:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I am not sure I agree.  I was the one who originally wrote the distinguishing academic features section, and my goal was to put up a concise overview of what is distinctive from a student perspective about New College: to me the four things that stood out were Evaluations, Contracts, ISPs, and the Senior Thesis.   The four principles, while important, are kind of abstract and I don’t think they would make a lot of sense outside of a much more detailed description of New College’s academic structure. I am not saying we should not have this, just no one has written such a description as of yet.--Nsb3000 14:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I changed my mind on this.  I went ahead and incorporated the core principles into the fist paragraph of the academic features section.--Nsb3000 18:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definite Article 

message: I changed the senior thesis description to include a note about the different forms a thesis can take, and I also removed the last comment about how it may take longer than four years to complete.  I'm sure we all know our fair share of "fifth year" students and probably some who completed everything within 7 semesters as well.  Regardless, New College's graduation rates are above the national averages so I don't think it's worth mentioning that it might take more than 4 years.
: Looks good! --Nsb3000 18:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senior Thesis 

message: I just wanted to put a general notice that people should be careful when doing reversions.  Even though at first glance it might seem like the fastest restore previous edits, if your not careful, you risk erasing other beneficial edits that have occurred in the meantime.  The safest thing to do is to change the things your want changed, rather than revert the page, and I recommend that everyone familiarize themselves with Wikipedia's [[revert| Reversion policies] before using this feature indiscriminately.--Nsb3000 18:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion 

message: I was hoping someone more experienced than myself can mention some of the following: the size of the student body, the student government, housing and the lack thereof, the plans for new dorms.
--Keremm
::If you have something you think should be added, I would just go ahead and write it.  Don't worry about the style or format--others can fix that latter if needed.--Nsb3000 15:20, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a small point regarding Hamilton Center:  it is not named in recognition of Dr. Hamilton, although it is a fortuitous coincidence.  Rather, it is named after the family of Charles Hamilton, a 1960s era NC alum, for their generous financial support of the college.AnClarTex 21:19, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable things 

message: I find it extraordinarily unlikely that "Herpes is groovy!" is the official motto of NCF.  If it is, please provide a source.  Do not add it again without one. -- SCZenz 20:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is, most assuredly, NOT the motto. The entity of New College actually has no motto, only a mission. To my dismay, NCF's mission is rather long and doesn't lend itself to encapsulation within an info-box. The NCSA (student government) does have a mission and motto, and these are mentioned in the article. OngoingCivilUnrest 16:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto again 

message: Why is the CEO of barneys notable and John Cranor isn’t? Just wondering why it was deleted..?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:142:103:C385:387E:EAFD:E8:3F13 (talk) 03:12, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Alumni 

message: "External rankings at New College are a relatively new phenomenon, because during the school's twenty-five-year affiliation with the University of South Florida and prior to gaining independent accreditation in 2004, New College was ineligible to be included in most ranking surveys."
This is factually incorrect.  External rankings for New College have been around for decades.  Check hard-copy archives of sources for those rankings.Hivedrone110 (talk) 06:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Rankings and Reviews 

message: I don't know how to use wikipedia very much, but I made some minor changes and was wondering if someone could check them for me. For the NCSA constitution section, it previously stated that Article 11 held the information about the mascot, motto, Palm Court as Center of the Universe, etc information. In fact, as per our current constitution (which I also linked, not sure if I did it correctly - the old link was a dead link), it is article 9 3/4. I'm also not sure how to format that, because, like, how do you format fractions. And things. I'm really new to wikipedia. 131.247.152.4 (talk) 04:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  NCSA information 

message: I've removed this section because it relies on the school's own promotional material, and because of its basic lack of credibility.  The data is all based on the answers of those who responded to a survey conducted by the Alumni Association.  Like those those TV ads for exercise equipment that claim 85% of purchasers are still using the gear 3 years after buying it, this sort of survey takes advantage of the fact that those with positive outcomes are far more likely to respond to a survey than those with negative outcomes,thereby presenting an overly optimistic picture.
The use of college promotional materials as sources throughout this article is generally over the top, but this particular example is just too extreme to leave in place.
73.162.132.47 (talk) 13:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grad school acceptance ratings 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: — Assignment last updated by AmeliaSund (talk) 14:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Public Writing C1

message: Looking at the table for gender composition of the student body, we find that 104% of the students have a gender, which seems like a lot. The discrepancy is larger than can at all be accounted for by rounding.
The same is not true for the race and ethnicity data, which only add up to 101%, though I must admit to having raised an uncomprehending pair of eyebrows upon noticing that "foreign nationals" are a race. Falw (talk) 20:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The datum for male students appears to have been a typo; I've corrected it. "Foreign nationals" is included in race/ethnicity because that is (kind of) how the data are collected by and for the US government. It's a stilted way of saying "not American" and it makes some sense to categorize them separately as American race/ethnicity constructs probably don't make sense for people who aren't American. ElKevbo (talk) 00:17, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender Composition 

message: The article currently has the wrong information on the number of trustees and the length of their terms. What is on the page echoes the Florida statute specific to New College (https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2022/1004.32): 12 members serve staggered 4-year terms. However, the current membership of the Board of Trustees is 13, and they're serving 5-year terms, staggered after the fact. This is following Board of Governors regulations for the whole State University System (https://www.flbog.edu/2022/11/28/board-of-governors-seeks-applicants-for-12-trustee-positions/). This has, in this very strange year, become a newsworthy fact -- which I suspect means changing the entry could really easily turn into an edit war. 
I'm not sure exactly why the actual statute on the books has it wrong, or if the FLBOG has it wrong by naming 13 trustees with 5-year terms to the BOT. If one goes back to the various versions of the 12/4 rule in the statutes, it seems to have come into effect when New College became independent in 2000 or shortly thereafter. The FLBOG came into being in 2001, replacing the Board of Regents. -- grant (talk) 05:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trustee Terms 

message: The footnote to 'affluent' gives a description/definition that is at odds with the description/definition in the blue link to the word.  I think a different word should be used.  (As a side note, at this school do all low-income students really get Pell grants?) Kdammers (talk) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  affluent 

message: In response to the cease and desist, AltNewCollege rebranded as AltLiberalArts. I think a sentence should be added to that part of the article clarifying this. 2600:6C65:623F:B14C:9C0B:907:88B1:37F (talk) 23:49, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  AltNewCollege rebrand 

message: I'm not sure the college should be described in the first sentence as "conservative." For one thing, it's a public institution (unlike Hillsdale, referenced in the edit); for another, the new trustees have only been in office for 12 months; and most importantly, in their public statements, they at least say that "all ideologies are welcome" and they want the school to, in effect, teach the controversies with lots of open debates. See, for example, the descriptions of "the Socratic Stage Dialogue Series": https://www.ncf.edu/news/new-college-to-host-first-event-in-socratic-stage-dialogue-series-november-30-featuring-jason-greenblatt-and-ghaith-al-omari/ . Now, it seems pretty obvious that what they're attempting to do is make a school perceived as leftist (though I'd dispute that characterization, really) into a school that's on the right wing. But it really seems like in official pronouncements, at least, what they're saying is "we're making it less left and more middle." And in reality, they're trying a lot of things, but it's still way too early to see if a campus political culture can actually be successfully altered in this way. So I'm suggesting removing the descriptor from the first sentence. Objections? --grant (talk) 06:32, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: To justify such a label in the lede sentence, we need some very strong and pervasive sourcing asserting that the character of the college has been changed by the new trustees. It's far too soon to make such a judgment and the source that was cited to justify this addition explicitly discussed the trustee's plans to remake the college, not their success in doing so (against the wishes and protests of students, alumni, and faculty). ElKevbo (talk) 12:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there! I was the original editor for this particular edit and a New College alumni who attended during the takeovers and I can personal ascertain that the college's character has dramatically changed in some very extreme ways, with aggressive recruitment of conservative students being a key part of their strategy. Additionally the college has been actively hostile towards queer students. I feel that the moniker is accurate given my lived experience at the institution, at least for the time being, I am happy to be corrected by someone else of more recent epistemological understanding of what it is like to attend New College. I also feel that by not naming what has happened to the college for what it is, there is a risk of normalizing the behavior at the college. Wildflower42 (talk) 04:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable sources, not editors' personal opinions and experiences. ElKevbo (talk) 06:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Conservative" liberal arts