Talk:Moriori language

message: Nice article! It has a lot of good sources and info.
If possible, for improvement I would include syntax (such as sentence order) along with some grammar (particles, common words). The text states that the language is similar, but also different from Maori. Perhaps elaborating on the similarities/differences would add more text to the article along with providing the reader a better understanding of the language. Looks good though!
-Travis
: I appreciate the feedback! I will definitely try to look for more information on syntax and grammar but I am having difficulties finding information on those specific categories. I will also dig into elaborating on the similarities of Māori and Moriori. Thank you
DKYL808 (talk) 02:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Ling 102

message: Sarah Galbraith's publication, A Grammar of the Moriori language, mentioned in the references, does not seem to be generally available. The only other reference I've found to it on the web that is not derived from this article is a comment on a page about the Chathams, where it appears that this is a Ph.D. thesis from the University of Auckland. Can anyone offer any further information on it, and where it can be obtained? Koro Neil (talk) 11:37, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd try simply writing to the University and asking for a copy. Perhaps that's not possible, but purposes such as Wikipedia or academic research should certainly justify the attempt if there is no other way to get hold of a copy. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:08, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarah Galbraith's work 

message: Matson, J. (1991). THE LANGUAGE, THE LAW AND THE TREATY OF WAITANGI. The Journal of the Polynesian Society, 100(4), 343-363. Retrieved from http://www.jstor.org/stable/20706416
Map, R., & Marker, A. Moriori people.
DKYL808 (talk) 21:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

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message: This section is a shoddy piece of work. It's not clear whether the use of for indicates that the first item has been replaced by the second, or vice versa. Probably both, since we have K for NG as well as NG for K. Some of them are nonsensical, like M for K, along with others. It doesn't mention that Māori T is represented by T, R and TCH in MŌRIORI. Or that NG in Māori appears as both NG and K in Mōriori. I wonder if the editor has been doing his own not very expert analysis of texts or word lists—original research, in other words. I am taking it on myself to delete this section. Some of the other stuff needs fixing.
Recent changes (October 2018) have been made to this article by editors who lack an understanding of the field of Polynesian linguistics, and this lack is obvious. Mōriori and Māori are not "distantly related" to Hawai'ian and Rapanuian; they are closely related, though more closely related to Cook Island Māori and Tahitian. They are less closely related to Samoan and Tongan, less closely still to the Fijian languages and Rotuman, distantly to the languages of Melanesia and Micronesia, more distantly still to the languages of Indonesia and the Philippines, and very distantly to the indigenous languages of Taiwan.
The connection made to the reo ā rohe of Kai Tahu is simplistic. For one thing, there is a difference historically between the speech of descendants of the first wave of Ngāi Tahu invaders who intermarried with Waitaha and Kāti Māmoe women, and spoke the K dialect, and the later wave who brought their women with them, and retained the dialect they brought with them from the East Coast of the North Island. And as I said, Mōriori has a mix of ng and k forms.
The style of the changes also needs fixing. Sorry to be picky, e hoa mā, but this is an encyclopedia, and needs information that is both accurate and clear, and it needs good writing.  Koro Neil (talk) 04:06, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in Consonants 

message: I deleted several sections as unintelligible and self-contradictory gibberish. Couldn't be bothered to verify, as when an article is this bad it's easier to just delete and write a new one.
There was an interesting claim that Moriori was closest to the Maori of S.Island, which would suggest it was a dialect of Maori, but this was in the geography section and unref'd. Since a statement of whether Moriori was a dialect of Maori or a separate language could be contentious, I thought it best to delete rather than let it stand unsupported.  — kwami (talk) 06:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, kwami. I have been trying to confirm the South Island conection, it is a little hard to find and does not seem to have too much traction. Could be very relevant if it is more than idle speculation. I can not speak to the bad sections, have been working over at the Moriori page. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 07:01, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted sections  

message: VeryRarelyStable and Gsueso2 editted the infobox today about when the language became extinct, on the death of William Baucke (1931) or Hirawanu Tapu (1898). It might be worth bringing up here. IMO a language is not necessarily extinct on the death of its last L1 speaker. I think that is the current view within linguistics, although I am no expert on this topic. Languages can have a healthy life long after the last L1 speaker has died, or after it has evolved into some new language. When did Latin become extinct, or did it ever? It might be better simply to spell it out that Hirawanu Tapu was the last native L1 speaker of the language. A dead language however might be easier to define, as when a language reaches the stage of having no active use in any form: Punic. I am not sure if Moriori has reached that stage yet. The infobox parameters are not too helpful in this respect because they require a short simple answer when one does not always exist. Should we simply not the 'extinct' field empty and explain more fully in the article body? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:29, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a plan. I could find no reliable references for this exact question either way. However Omniglot says "Moriori is the formerly extinct language" as to what that is worth I have no idea. If there is uncertainty we have room in the text to explain that. As an aside 'Moriori: language death'  was interesting but something from 1996 may not solve this problem. Dushan Jugum (talk) 07:06, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Extinct when?

message: I removed this from the language family list and replaced it with Māori.  This is also being discussed here. Talk:Māori_language#Māori-Moriori  Maungapohatu (talk) 23:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Answered on that other discussion thread. —VeryRarelyStable 03:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Māori-Moriori