Talk:Hou Yifan

message: How do you pronounce the name?--84.189.112.118 (talk) 11:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hoo Yee Fan.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BriefingXO (talk • contribs) 13:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess would have been "How Yee Fun". But I don't want a guess I want an answer. --84.189.64.87 (talk) 18:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See Pinyin#Approximation from English pronunciation. Conscious (talk) 09:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The English spelling that comes closest to the actual pronunciation is "Ho Yeefun". There is a text-to-speech tool here: http://www.iflylanguage.com/ltt/Advance.aspx Enter 侯逸凡 and press play. --84.189.71.112 (talk) 19:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't enter the characters. 20:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Try with http://www.iflylanguage.com/ltt/ click on Advanced Reading Mode. Firefox doesn't seem to work. I couldn't find anything better than that site.--84.189.101.252 (talk) 17:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

text: User:Davumaya added an ogg-file of the pronunciation without commenting it. The problem is that the audio file contains two contradicting versions of the pronunciation. That should be fixed or be explained. --84.189.73.38 (talk) 17:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is still not fixed, therefore I removed "". Maybe some native chinese speaker can resolve this. --84.189.102.189 (talk) 14:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

text: The pronunciation sounds correct to me, but I am Chinese Singaporean, not native Chinese. The two versions are not contradictory; the latter is merely a deliberately slow version of the former, as if one were reading three separate characters instead of a single name. Laserlight (talk) 08:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

message: I think I've completed all the major international tournaments she has competed in. If anybody wants to fill in any omissions then please do. -Artepnem (talk) 01:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work! However, I wonder if a table might be better? As her career goes on, an article of mostly one paragraph for every tournament she plays would make for boring reading, IMHO. Better, in my opinion, is to put the highlights in the text of the article, and list all tournaments in a table at the end. Comments? Peter Ballard (talk) 03:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe later the paragraphs can be fleshed out and made more interesting to read with the description of opinions, performances, opponents, games (analysis), anecdotes, historical perspectives etc20:32, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text:  yup nice work in going back and filling out all the tournaments hou has competed in. however, is it really relevant to her wiki entry that we have interesting facts such as ni hua winning the men's chinese chess championship the year hou won the female one? I can understand reporting other players who competed against her in the same championship but to have a reference to a winner in a championship she did not play seems superfluous to me. Akhc (talk) 08:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tournaments 

message: I read somewhere I can't remember where that she got another GM norm by reaching the WWCC Final. Is this true or not? Thank you.--Artepnem (talk) 16:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup that's true. It's specified as so in FIDE's norm regulation. 141.30.217.50 (talk) 13:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a look at FIDE rules.  It looks to me that the runner-up in the WWCC gets a GM norm if it involves a minimum of 9 games, although it's not totally clear.  There were 6 rounds, but she played 14 games, so does this count? PatGallacher (talk) 15:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Before reaching the final she played in 5 rounds. Each round had 2 classical games so thats a total of 10 games. After completing the semis at this point she has completed the requirement. She then played 4 in the final so the total for the whoel tournament is 14.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skrolae (talk • contribs) 12:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th GM norm 

message: A lot of chess player articles have a notable game/s section. Could one be done here? I suggest Hou's win with black against Gabriel Sargissian at Corus (Group B) on the 25th of January 2008. This win was against her highest then current-rated opponent (2676) -- as opposed, say, to her win over  Nigel Short (in the same tournament)then rated 2645 but had a peak rating of 2712 back in 2004.
How does this fit with other female players' record? Obviously Polgar Judit has beaten nearly all the world's best players, but other than JP has any other woman beaten a player who was then rated higher than 2676? --Artepnem (talk) 18:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: all the below have beaten similar opposition occasionally but mostly against such they lose. humpy koneru beat Miroshnichenko (2671). zhu chen's best result is against tiviakov (2640) at standard TC. in blitz she's beaten pono and dreev (both rated 2700+). susan polgar beat yudasin (2645) and beliavsky (2640) and also as wins against 2700+ (ivanchuk/karpov) at blitz. stefanova beat nikolic (2676) at standard TC. sebag has a win against kazimzhanov (2683). kosteniuk beat bareev (2701) though not sure if this is standard TC. she's also had wins at blitz against 2690+ opposition. cramling has beaten sokolov (2706). the list goes on. beating a higher rated opponent isn't impossible or rare. real strength is being able to hold your own against that calibre of opposition all the time. Akhc (talk) 20:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable game 

message: FIDE have updated their rankings.Her new rating is now 2578 but she is still listed as a WGM.
The GM title probably still has to be officially confirmed.  She has now overtaken Xie Jun as no. 3 woman.  She is only just short of entering the top 20 juniors list, I don't see anyone born in 1994 on this, only one in 1993.  This suggests that she could be the highest-ranked 14-year-old of either sex. PatGallacher (talk) 19:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  October FIDE 

message: So, having won the women's world championship at only 16 this raises the big question: could she go on to compete against the men's world champion? PatGallacher (talk) 02:25, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: She has to get into the World Chess Championship cycle.  It is too late for the 2012 cycle (see the qualifying criteria for this cycle there under the Candidates' tournament section).  Also, becoming Women's World Champion is not currently one of the criteria that gets one into the cycle.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Yes, it could happen eventually.  She shows great potential. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:31, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: I've edited the entire page and so am removing the copyediting tag. The page is still somewhat unbalanced though, e.g. the 2008 section is a lot more detailed than the 2010 section, but there should be no glaring style errors. Banedon (talk) 07:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyediting 

message: I think we should replace the one "notable game" with one of her impressive wins from the Tradewise Gibraltar Tournament - maybe the win against Le Quang Liem?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.190.27.32 (talk) 11:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable games 

message: The photos in this article are a bit dated, could we get some newer ones? PatGallacher (talk) 14:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I will write a letter to her asking for some. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

text: It is her. Same bracelet as in this image, and same mole on her chin. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:25, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

text: There is further evidence, but the above is probably enough. I've moved the file to the correct name, added the right category, and removed the speedy tag. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: Could we have a better source on her apparently backing out of the 2014 world championship, a fairly serious development?  PatGallacher (talk) 14:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: With no confirmed date for the WWC there is only speculation i guess. Maybe there even won't be any Championship this year. The cosica news is pretty recent though, so she should play there. -Koppapa (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: WWC

message: Anyone want to check my translation of "A l'exception de Judit Polgar, aucune joueuse n'avait gagné un tournoi aussi important"? PatGallacher (talk) 13:55, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Google translate suggests it is the first important tourney won by a female other than Polgar. But it's POV anyway and unless there is a source other than the tourney organizer i wouldn't include it. -Koppapa (talk) 09:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dont think the line should be there. Hou Yifan won the World Women's Championship while Polgar never entered it. The Hou Yifan article should be about HY, not judging her achievements against Polgars. Jkmaskell (talk) 12:56, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: Is there a good reason for having the FIDE rating list table? I would consider a well written prose section about notable rating achievements to be a better use of space than the block of figures there already, not to mention it'd require less maintenance work. Jkmaskell (talk) 12:56, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd second that. -Koppapa (talk) 09:53, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

text: The Corsica event was a rapid event, so wont affect her standard rating, but I think it may have been unrated (think I heard it on TWIC last week). Can't have been too late for inclusion as rule is 3 days before the list and Corsica ended on the 22nd, well before the deadline. Jkmaskell (talk) 18:50, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  FIDE Rating table 

message: "She forfeited her world title by declining to contest it in early 2015"
OMG that would make me so angry if I was her! She had "agreed to contest it" but they changed the date of it to a time when she was already committed to playing in Hawaii. I wouldn't call that "declining to contest it". I'd called it "shamelessly being fucked over by FIDE" or something. She is by far the strongest (active i.e. not-Judit) female player on the planet. And somehow them fiddling with the date so that she couldn't make it, seemed acceptable, and not the total farce that it was.
Mainly, I don't think that shameful episode should be referred to as "declining to contest it". Some reference to FIDE's bastardry should be made. It really was outrageous. 110.20.158.134 (talk) 22:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, sorry, it seems she indeed has started to "decline to contest" the knock-outs held each 2nd year. in an interview she made it clear that they're no kind of priority for her. A protest in action, not words. 110.20.158.134 (talk) 02:55, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declined to contest it? 

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message: I think she's outgrown those cutesy kawaii type outfits now. MaxBrowne (talk) 10:09, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a more recent pic? 

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message: Notice how conspicuous this difference is:
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The first is a proper minus sign; the second is a hyphen. Michael Hardy (talk) 00:36, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  minus signs 

message: I am guessing she is the second highest woman ever, and probably by a large margin. We should find a source (if possible) and put that in. Adpete (talk) 03:32, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick search returns Natalia Pogonina's website, which maintains a list on this. A better source would probably be needed. Hrodvarsson (talk) 04:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this chess.com interview with her would count: "The only other female player in history who has been stronger is Judit Polgar. Would the idea of a Polgar-Hou match ever excite you, a match to decide the strongest woman of all time?" . Adpete (talk) 03:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally! Leonard Barden comes to the rescue. "China’s Hou Yifan, the all-time No 2 women’s player" . It also cites her semi-retirement, which is conspicuously absent from her WP page. Adpete (talk) 06:38, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  second highest rated woman ever? 

message: "Hou is the third woman ever to be rated among the world's top 100 players, after Maia Chiburdanidze and Judit Polgár" Surely Vera Menchik was at one time among the top 100 players in the world? She scored tournament wins against a number of very strong players in the 1930s, including Max Euwe. She got crushed in the 1935 Moscow tournament, scoring only 3 draws out of 19 games, but the other players were all probably in the world's top 40.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longitude2 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Chessmetrics puts Menchik peaking at #52 , but I agree we can't put that here since there were no ratings then. It might belong at the Vera Menchik article though. Adpete (talk) 06:41, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omission of an earlier strong woman player 

message: This section seems to be solely dedicated to her early career. The last date mentioned is 2007. Can we change the section title to Early Career, or add more information to the section that accurately portrays her career beyond 2007? For example, in the results section, there is ample information that can be included as general information for her Career.  Owenreid (talk) 13:28, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career Section