Talk:Road

message: I placed the unreferenced tag on the top of this page.  I also added the  to the reference section of the page.  IF you use the wiki format of  to enter references they will be properly listed.  It think this a great page with lots of good information.  It looks like most of the information came out of a single book, but it is hard to tell.  Roads (and lack of) are something of a hobby of mine.  I am going to try to find some .gov references for some of the statements and post those. Jeepday 19:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference

message: Ok, this has been on my "To Do" list way to long and as User:Zoney has pointed out the article still needs work.  So here is my plan, as I move Road to the front of my list.  
1. Go through and place  on everything that at first glance needs to be referenced.
2. Use http://www.google.com/ and http://books.google.com to find reference for everything tag with 
3. Make little or no text changes during the initial reference gathering sweep.  Unless a found reference is clearly different then current text.  Other editors are welcome to change text based on the new references It's just that I want to stay on track for getting the references first. 
4. Use my preferred cite formats (from Wikipedia:Citation templates) to list the references.
Web cite

Second cite of same web

Book Cite

Second cite of same book

Here I go, Apologizing in advance for any toes I step on, giving forgiveness in advance for the reverse and embracing the Assumption of  good faith Signed Jeepday 16:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Here I go

message: This isn't a good broad parent article on the subject of roads. It is not complete enough, and over-focussed in other ways. This is evidenced by the degradation to just a large list of terms at the end.
Wikipedia seems to have problems with broad subject area articles unless there is a sustained effort to create them from the ground up - they do not just "happen" organically like specific topical articles. Maybe a look at how other encyclopaedias deal with this subject area would be good, although part of the problem is probably that they have an article of several pages on the general topic of roads, with a clear country-specific initial focus.
Anyways, as is, this is fairly pants. I'd love to have a go at a rewrite myself, but unfortunately I have enough "real world" writing to be getting on with relating to my studies!
zoney  ♣ talk 16:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a good broad parent article 

message: The article oiled road is too short and should be merged with the main article (road). Any comments or suggestions? - Hdt83 | Talk 03:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[oiled road]] to road 

message: Note that I am removing these only because I did not find references.  If reference can be found they would be welcome on the main article. Jeepday 13:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No supporting references found for these bits in history 

message: It says about corduroy roads in Glastonbury in 4000bc and the corduroy page said the first corduroy was made in manchester in the nineteenth century...  ...???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.173.91 (talk) 
In keeping with WP:V the citation is referenced and you can validate for yourself page 43 of Ways of the World: A History of the World's Roads and of the Vehicles that Used Them By Maxwell G Lay The confusion may be that that link to Corduroy in the article is to "Corduroy" and should be to "Corduroy road".  I will go fix that, thanks for pointing out.  Jeepday 13:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Corduroy?

message: There was a request for a fact check that Bermuda used to be a part of Virginia.  Since our Bermuda page shows that it was once a part of the Virginia colony, I removed the 'citation needed' alert.  138.162.128.54 (talk) 10:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation Needed Removed

message: From the book Robinson Crusoe, "The sixth day of our being at sea we came into Yarmouth Roads." What is a road in this context? Harold14370 16:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Essentially a harbour.  Like Hampton Roads- the body of water- is a natural harbour.  I'm actually surprised there is no mention of that anywhere on Wikipedia. Dictionary.com calls it "Often, roads. Also called roadstead. Nautical. a partly sheltered area of water near a shore in which vessels may ride at anchor."  The link is there.  I will update the "road" dab page accordingly.  --MPD T / C 16:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, only true insofar as the nautical "road" does not come directly from "road" (on dry land), but if you look a little further you will find that both are ultimately from the same Indo-European root reidh-. A (land) road is a place where your horse can ride, a nautical road (or roadstead = riding place) is a place where your ship can ride (at anchor). The fact that  "rode" means "an anchoring cable" comes from "road" (= anchorage) rather than the other way around. -- Picapica (talk) 15:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nautical Meaning?

message: I think I am done, now.  There remains room for expansion and word smithing (there always is), but I think I have pretty much finished what I started out to do.  Thank you all for your patience and comments while I was working on this article. Jeepday (talk) 01:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Done

message: The history section has large lagoons or many centuries interruptions, it could be edited in a way that chronology keeps more flowing and not so interrupted. There is also no mention to celtic tribes roads which were the base over which romans built their own in many places.I didn't see the need to flag the page but please review these remarks within reasonable time Librarian2 17:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could, if one had references to support the addition of new text. Jeepday (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical timeline 

message: It would have been helpful if a cost of roads was tabled. These costs would have differences from nation to nation but a cost representation could be worked out. I wanted to know how much a two laned road cost per 100 meters. 203.97.23.22 (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that it's a little late, but I'll see if I can make it. Njaohnt (talk) 00:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Cost of roads

message: The Carriageway article was proposed for deletion; I have suggested a merge to Road#Construction. —Snigbrook 20:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After a little research I redirected to Dual carriageway, seemed a better match. Jeepday (talk) 23:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Carriageway]] 

message: The material that was re-instated looks very dubious to me - moreover the link that was cited appeared to be dead.  Maybe the material that was re-instated shoudld be re-assessed. Martinvl (talk) 06:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  (removed an edit by a banned user (by78/Ouyuecheng)) 

message: *
Relevant to article? It has as much to do with culture as roads so I'm not sure that it's a shoo-in to add. Mapsax (talk) 01:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is a WP:RS you can use it to reference content either new or existing.  DO you have a copy or is it on line? Jeepday (talk) 12:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither; I was thinking more of putting it in a new "Further Reading" section. Google Books has a review of decent length and there's also one here. Mapsax (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have not reasd it, how do you know that it is relevant?  The best thing that you can do is to buy a copy or to get a copy from your library, read it, and reference it by means of in-line references. Martinvl (talk) 06:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the reviews that I mentioned and you'll see that it is relevant, assuming that the reviews are representative. No, a review and a synopsis are not the same, and neither is a substitute for actually reading the book, but the content of the reviews leads me to believe that the book is potentially a good resource, and I wanted to bring it to the attention of editors here. Mapsax (talk) 23:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it is a good resource use it to reference, after you have read it.  Otherwise you might as well start a list of books about roads. Jeepday (talk) 10:32, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not making myself clear. This book appears to be distinct from most books about roads because of its range of area (worldwide) and time (from B.C./BCE to now). That's why I brought it up. I don't have any intention of reading it any time soon, but it appears that nobody else does either. Does that mean that we should all ignore it even though it might help readers of the WP article explore the topic further, hence "Further Reading"? Must all books be read cover-to-cover by all editors involved before even being considered to be mentioned in articles? Mapsax (talk) 20:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 book 

message: I suggest that we move the three sections of this article which are really only relevant to public roads to the Highway article which covers the subject of public roads exclusively. The proposed sections are: 'Road transport economics', 'Environmental aspects' and 'Driving on the right or the left'. The move would tighten up the scope of this article to be those features which are shared by public and private roads and also help broaden the Highway article beyond its current list of world records. Any thoughts? PeterEastern (talk) 10:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure that I agree - the scope of the article Highways covers only major roads, this article covers all roads.  If you feel that these sections should be moved, then we need to change the scope of the articles from major/minor roads to public/private roads.  Martinvl (talk) 10:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

text: *Thanks for responding. I was also of the impression that Highways was only for more major public roads until I adjusted the lead to clarify that point and was corrected on the matter. The subsequent discussion seems to have concluded that although in common usage highway means main road that the article covers all public roads. The lead now reads "A highway is a public road, especially a more major road connecting two or more destinations". My concern is that we already have some duplication between the two articles (both of which have sections of air quality for example) and there is no clear logic to what should go where. To be clear I am not proposing that the roads article should only be about private roads, I suggest that it should cover those aspects which are relevant to both forms of road (ie construction techniques, terms for features etc etc). We may choose to cover all the physical aspects of roads in this article and then all the systematic social/environment issues in the highways article. Let's not rush into a decision however. PeterEastern (talk) 12:12, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My thought is that as 'Road transport economics' and 'Driving on the right or the left' both have stand alone articles, briefly addressing them here (and at Highway) is appropriate, with links to the main article (which exist).  It might also be appropriate to create a stand alone article like Environmental Impacts of Roads, which would lead off well from the disambig page Environmental impact. Jeepday (talk) 22:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

text: *Ok, so you are suggesting we keeps stubs for those subjects in this article with links to the main article (keeping a similar structure). However I do think we need to avoid the possibility of serious duplication between the articles and we must think of them as a pair or try to merge them (which would be impossible); would is be appropriate to say that this article should be mainly a civil engineering and article (design, construction, maintenance etc) and also an early history of roads and that the highway article is mainly an economic/social one/legal one and covers the major modern roads of the automobile age? Possibly if I start working on the highway article then we can see how it will take shape. I am not too fussed what we decide however we do need to decide something and then acted on it. PeterEastern (talk) 04:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

text: *One more thought; it will also be appropriate to cover the funding and regulation of roads/highways. Again, this should be covered well in only one article and I would suggest that the funding and regulation of the strategic road network is in the highway section? Incidentially I note this comment from further up this talk page 'Wikipedia seems to have problems with broad subject area articles unless there is a sustained effort to create them from the ground up' in the 'Not a good broad parent article' section which echoes roughly what I am saying. PeterEastern (talk) 05:00, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

text: *I have now created a Environmental impacts of roads article based on the content of this article as per the above discussion. I suggest that the content in this article is angled towards the construction and maintenance of roads to minimise these effects.PeterEastern (talk) 06:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move for 'Road transport economics', 'Environmental aspects' and 'Driving on the right or the left'  

message: Does the new Gallery section really add anything to the article?  I think not. Martinvl (talk) 06:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: This article would be clearer if it had a heading for different types of construction, e.g. asphalt-concrete, portland-cement concrete, roller-compacted concrete, gravel, etc. Likewise, it would help to have a heading for roadway distresses, e.g. rutting, cracking, oxidation, frost heave, washboarding, etc. There then could be a category for Roadway Construction and Roadway Distresses. ---User:HopsonRoad 18:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of sections here, how about complete article(s) on Road construction and maintenance, with just an overview here and links to the main article(s).   There is enough content and references to make a pretty good article or two. Jeepday (talk) 21:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New sections suggested: Construction types and roadway distresses 

message: This article shows a picture of a empty street block in both directions with the caption: "A busy road in Mumbai, India." Really? It may be busy generally, but not when the photo was taken...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.164.201 (talk) 10:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your impression of "busy" is influenced by the fact that the light is red, holding up on-coming traffic and having just cleared out-going traffic. However, "busy" is subjective and not appropriate for Wikipedia. The road shown is actually a city street. I have change the caption to reflect these thoughts. --User:HopsonRoad 22:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Busy?

message: I am reverting this edit because I believe that all roads are thoroughfares but that not all thoroughfares are roads and that the original wording was therefore correct. By way of example, I don't believe that the term 'road' would be used for a route on water from one place to another? PeterEastern (talk) 15:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Road and Thoughfare 

message: These might be incorporated.
A sealed road can mean a paved road. Australia. Possibly elsewhere?
An oiled road is an unpaved road that is oiled to reduce dust. We have them in Ontario but I would imagine everyone does that.
Varlaam (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't have oiled roads in the UK (As far as I know), they are all sealed. Martinvl (talk) 09:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Oiling dirt and gravel for dust control roads was once common practice in the USA, but it has been restricted due to runoff adn air pollution.--Triskele Jim 17:05, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further terminology 

message: According to the documentary "L'Homme et la merL'Homme et la mer by Yann Arthus-Bertrand", 50% of all humans (and even higher percentages in Africa) live at less than 1 km of the sea. It can thus be argued that building so much cross-country raods (highways) is not justifyable, especially seeing the environmental damage these inflict.
Mention in article
KVDP (talk) 09:02, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Unjustifyable amount of roads

message: Why is there "(UK)" beside roundabout? Njaohnt (talk) 00:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roundabout (UK)? 

message: The statistics section is contradictory; the text states that the Indian road network is the world's largest, but the numbers suggest that the U.S.'s is larger.  (The author may have been comparing Indian kilometers with U.S. miles).  The expressway section suggests that the U.S. has more miles of expressway than China, but the linked page at List of countries by road network size suggests otherwise.
Jdot42 (talk) 06:49, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics Section 

message: No offense, but why do we give a fuck about roads in India?  There are at least two pictures and multiple references about India.  Seems like an undue amount of weight in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waynem37 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 12 April 2015
:Why do we have entire subsections dedicated to the semantics of the word road in the UK and US and no other countries? Why are all the example construction costs for US projects? Probably because Wikipedia is biased and made up of the information that is accessible to the people who contribute. I'd say the India-related content in the article body is appropriate. If anyone can come up with images depicting the construction or maintenance of roads that would make this article's images more diverse, please go for it! Ibadibam (talk) 23:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  India? 

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message: Please consider using material from this draft to improve this article. ~Kvng (talk) 16:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Draft:Road maintenance planning]] 

message: In my opinion, information should be added to the term 'Banked turn' in the 'Terminology' section of the article due to it being the only term in the 'Terminology' section to not have any information about what a banked turn is. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 08:42, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ibadibam (talk) 19:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information about a 'Banked turn' needed in the 'Terminology' section 

message: In my opinion in the 'Terminology' section, the terms should all be put into alphabetical order as it will take someone longer to find a certain term if the terms are not all in alphabetical order. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 08:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ibadibam (talk) 19:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Put terms in alphabetical order in the 'Terminology' section 

message: In my opinion, information should be added to say what a 'Drainage gradient' is in the 'Terminology' section of the article as readers may not know what it is. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 09:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: with your three proposals on this talk page. Please feel free to be bold and make these improvements! Ibadibam (talk) 19:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information about a 'Drainage gradient' needed in the 'Terminology' section 

message: For the reader's convenience, I have added a quotation of the relevant content to the citation for the article "Large economic gains can come from mundane improvements in policy". Anyone who would like to read the article in full can access it with a free account on the site. (For the record, access does not affect a source's reliability or verifiability...see WP:RSC.) The original addition to the article which mentioned potholes was erroneous: the article makes no connection to potholes being the cause of the statistic. I have revised the paragraph to remove any mention of potholes and focus on road quality, which is perfectly germane to this article. , it would be preferable to track down the actual study that was the original source of this information. Ibadibam (talk) 04:55, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Economist'' article ("mundane improvements") 

message: In my opinion, the capital letters used to highlight what 'Pelican' stands for (PE in the word 'pedestrian', LI in the word 'light and CON in the word 'controlled' should be made bold so that they stand out. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 20:25, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bold writing on the 'Terminology' section for 'pelican crossing' 

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thread_title:  "Roads and Highways" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

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thread_title:  "Highway construction" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: The article states that road use contributes to road deterioration. This is a commonly held belief, but numerous studies have been done, including the one used in the citation (54), and have found that if paved roads do deteriorate from normal use, the effect is either unnoticeable or pronounced indirectly through the other processes listed. 2600:8803:C40B:F900:7C22:231F:50F9:C93 (talk) 16:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Road Deterioration