Template talk:Catholic Encyclopedia

message: Where exactly in an article do I put this tag? at the head, footnote or as references?--Ariedartin 15:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally, is is used asa bulleted item within the references section, but alternatively, you can also use it as a footnote. Circeus 22:25, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Position of tag 

message: :Template:1913Catholic seems to be obsolete.  See what links there. But it is still easily found with a search.  I suggest that it is done away with. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 06:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - I redirected  here. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 06:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: I think we should add the source category :Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia to the template.
I propose we add the following code to this  template:
Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia
--Eastlaw (talk) 10:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Stifle (talk) 14:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Two questions:  1)  where exactly am I supposed to establish this consensus?  Hardly anyone even cares enough to look at this talk page, and my note at WikiProject Catholicism has gone unanswered thus far.  2)  The edit I am requesting is fairly uncontroversial, so why is any sort of consensus necessary for a simple category addition?  --Eastlaw (talk) 19:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done Yeah, this is uncontroversial.--Aervanath talks like a mover, but not a shaker 20:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was renamed :Category:Articles incorporating text from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia -- PBS (talk) 13:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidden category for source 

message: Is this Catholic Encyclopedia even reliable? Articles shouldn't incorporate texts full of religious POVs! This can be exemplified in the article Publius Lentulus, where no other sources except the Encyclopedia are given. In that article, he is considered fictitious just because the Catholic Encyclopedia said that his existence is apocryphal. We should really discuss this. Pikolas (talk) 03:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliability 

message: I propose to do the same think to this template as I have implemented for  see Template talk:1911#Proposal to replace code with a wrapper around cite encyclopedia.
I propose:
#to add an icon to the front of the template text so that anyone who watches for changes notices the change.
#to add to the template the ability to handle a new parameter called "wikisource="
#Change the documentation so that all new additions of this template use "wikisource="
#Change all the current use of the template so that the current parameters of not named and article  use wikisource=
#Alter the template so that it has similar functionality to that of 
comments welcome -- PBS (talk) 10:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain:"
As that allows for the dropping of the postscript. The postscript proved to be a problem because the  (which is called by ) ends in a full stop which makes the postscript look odd without modification. Removing it simplifies the code. --PBS (talk) 21:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to replace code with a wrapper around cite encyclopedia 

message: I'm currently editing this template on Gallican Rite. I used the parameters first & last (plus authorlink & wstitle, however I don't believe these parameters affect the text below). The resulting text is (emphasis is mine):
"This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Jenner, Henry (1913). "Gallican Rite". In Herbermann, Charles. Catholic Encyclopedia. Robert Appleton Company."
That result sounds odd and confusing to me in the portion I emphasized. Herbermann, Charles is not the name of the book, nor can we find articles in his abdominal cavity! I get that he's the editor, and so his name comes first if we don't use the author's name parameters. But I'd like to suggest some alternatives:
# In (Herbermann, Charles, ed.) Catholic Encyclopedia.
# In Catholic Encyclopedia (Herbermann, Charles, ed.).
# In Catholic Encyclopedia; Herbermann, Charles, ed.
I'd prefer #2. I can't follow up on things very often due to chronic illness, so please just run with what you think is best & don't wait for me to respond. Thanks! --Geekdiva (talk) 08:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd-sounding result when adding the author's name. Please fix! 

message: Please change the line  | ref = harv to  | ref = harv so that a ref parameter is propagated if provided. See  where this is already done, the sandbox (diff) and testcases (permalink) pages. Thanks.
Mirokado (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly done: I used triple braces as described above. Using double braces as in the sandbox would not have worked, because the  template is not intended for this - it creates links, not anchors. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:41, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. Silly me, I intended the triple braces. I should of course have checked the generated html too... --Mirokado (talk) 18:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 15 March 2015 

message: The template systematically produces a CS1 error "line feed character in |1= at position 1". I think there is simply one redundant pipe character after "cite encyclopedia". 
FordPrefect42 (talk) 19:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The CS1 error-checking has improved since this template was written. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:14, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 7 December 2015 

message: Could/should the template be amended to automatically set the parameter "location=New York", since that is where (I believe) the encyclopedia was published?
Could/should it wikilink the editor's name to his article Charles George Herbermann.
Chuntuk (talk) 13:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested additions 

message: I suggest two additions to the automatically populated values passed to cite encyclopedia:
| editor-link=Charles George Herbermann
| location=New York
location is currently set to blank, editor-link doesn't appear at all. I have already made this change in the sandbox version and it seems to work OK.
Chuntuk (talk) 15:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Qed237 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems a pretty uncontentious change to make, and I suggested it in the talk page entry immediately above this edit request nearly a month ago. Nobody has objected, or commented upon it in any way for that matter. I'll try again using RfC markup (which I was previously unaware of) Chuntuk (talk) 14:50, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 6 January 2016 

message: Should the editor's name be wikilinked to his article, and the location be set to New York? Chuntuk (talk) 14:53, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we need to link to the editor's article - there are already a lot of links in the template, and I would prefer not to overwhelm readers with a sea of blue. Also, they can find his article by clicking on the Catholic Encyclopedia link. I've added the location, though. (I also reduced the protection to semi-protection, so you should be able to edit the page yourself now.) — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 04:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC: Include editor-link and location in auto-populated field in Catholic template

message: Right now, I'm seeing two icons in this template invocation:
* 
This doesn't seem right to me. Daask (talk) 17:01, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue appears to have been resolved. There have been major edits to the template since my report. Daask (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double Icon 

message: Is it time to merge  and ? I'm under the impression that the distinction was only significant when Wikisource's coverage was less complete. Wikisource said their edition was 97% complete in 2011, although that number may be made-up. I count 60 red links at s:User:Charles Matthews/CE Completion out of what I imagine to be thousands of articles, far below 1%. (I'd be happy to learn how to count them; they're listed via Special:PrefixIndex here.) In other words, every use of Template:Catholic Encyclopedia has an associated article available on Wikisource, although of greatly varying quality.
Currently,  overrides . I suggest that this be reversed, so that  overrides the default Wikisource link. I suggest that differences in  and  be treated as errors. Daask (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge title and wstitle? 

message: Consider adding |link= to the attributes for :File:PD-icon.svg and :File:Wikisource-logo.svg to prevent these images from accepting clicks and (if I understand correctly) exclude these icons from the images shown by the media viewer. (See :Template:PD-notice for an example.) 忍者猫 (talk) 09:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikisource logo is under an attribution license and needs the click feature to function for attribution purposes. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure you're right, but do you have a link to the page saying that linking has to be enabled for attribution purposes? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

text:   for :File:PD-icon.svg.  for :File:Wikisource-logo.svg per Finnusertop.  See Wikipedia:Extended image syntax#Link * Pppery * it has begun... 18:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 12 January 2021 

message: Hi please fix the CS error. It says "missing title". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.59.209 (talk) 03:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No can do, friend IP. The CS1 error appears in this template for a reason and cannot be omitted. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 10:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This can often be fixed by noinclude-ing a dummy title on the template page itself. I played around with it and was unable to make it work in this case, but someone may be able to fix it with a quick edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Letting this template throw the error on its page gives editors an idea of what to look for if they forget to include a title. It's useful. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 01:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request