Talk:Traction engine

message: I find it confusing with two articles. Yes, there where construction differences between European and Northamerican machines, but that is also the case for tractors with internal combustion engines. Moreover, not all UK-built traction engines/steam tractors where ploughing engines. I think it would be far better to merge the two articles and just explain how the terminology and construction details differ between Europe and Northamerica. Also, neither article mentions any of the German ploughing engine manufactures: Bosig, Heucke, Ottomeyer, Rheinmetall, Lanz, etc. --Sigmundg (talk) 05:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I am also inclined to agree with you now, (provided that steam tractor redirects to traction engine). Since the previous discussions, the articles have changed, and what is left of steam tractor is a bit of a mess -- the emphasis on ploughing is historical, and predates my involvement. The omission of German manufacturers is quite simple: as stated above, my reference material is purely UK-focussed. I think that a separate section will be required to describe the different uses for the term "steam tractor", if a merge goes ahead. EdJogg (talk) 02:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and I am doctoring the merge templates to indicate the proposed direction. Globbet (talk) 23:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I have doctored them further, to point here! (Was on my ToDo list, honest, guv!) EdJogg (talk) 13:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Merge to traction engine, then create a new article under steam tractor for the particularly British light steam tractor of under 5 tons ("light locomotive" was their legal name, but that's too easily confused with railways) that arose in response to a loophole in the UK's 1903 Motor Car Act. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Merge: Steam Tractor into Traction Engine

message: * http://www.planefacts.co.uk/traction/ -- close-up and general photos of traction engines, with a very little history (also covers steam wagons, rollers (link currently dead) and stationary engines). Not sure how much use it will be (not worth adding as an EL yet), but has a little historical commentary that might be helpful. -- EdJogg (talk) 14:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional resources 

message: Thread moved to Talk:Steam wagon#One of Our Dinosaurs...steam lorry (moved verbatim) following creation of the stand-alone steam wagon article. Seemed the right place for it. (Prior to the move, 'Steam Wagon' was a sub-section of Traction engine.)
EdJogg (talk) 17:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of Our Dinosaurs...steam lorry 

message: Hello, would you be interested in adding a citation in the Agricultural traction engines section linking to this article http://www.culture24.org.uk/history+%2526+heritage/work+%2526+daily+life/industrial+heritage/art67039? It introduces the Empress of India, which is in storage at the Science Museum, Wroughton, her provenance and the unique set of Fowler 'roundabout' ploughing equipment she came with. Disclaimer: I work at Culture24. Let me know what you think! All the best, RosieClarke (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems reasonable, although it is really the ploughing tackle that makes it interesting, rather than the engine, so I would probably want to include it in a page/section on steam ploughing. As the only really interesting information (from Wikipedia's POV) regards the equipment provenance, it wouldn't be right to add it as an EL (which we have lots of), but as it is on this talk page (and in my loooooooooooong ToDo list) it won't be forgotten. Now, if the page had described/illustrated the tackle, THAT would be another matter! -- EdJogg (talk) 18:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough - thanks for considering it! It's just a shame that the engine and tackle are not on display, but if you're particularly interested in the ploughing tackle it might be worth your contacting the curator and seeing if he'd tell you more about it / send you a photo! All the best, RosieClarke (talk) 18:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agricultural traction engine example 

message: The "Steam Dinosaur" external link describes the finding of the oldest surviving traction engine, and includes lots of history of early Aveling products. A link to its parent page no longer works, so there's a possibility that this page will also disappear in due course.
A 'facsimile' of the page exists at "Steam & Engine of Australia", but the original (with pictures) has been saved at the Internet Archive: here.
EdJogg (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Image at geograph https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4385645 ©Geni (talk) 00:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Steam Dinosaur" external link 

message: I have reverted the following edit. I believe it is probably true for steam cars but not for traction engines. My understanding is that the NHP was calculated from cylinder size and was not an actual power rating. At the very least, a citation is needed and the first few words need to be changed. 
"Actually, the HP (not nhp) rating refers to the continuous power which the steam engine is routinely capable of producing for a long period of time; it could be exceeded by several times for a short duration at the cost of a drastic increase in steam consumption. E.g., a Stanley Steamer engine, rated at continuous 20 HP, could easily produce up to 100 or even more HP for a short duration. Diesels and other internal combustion engines, on the other hand, are rated at maximum horsepower, which can not be exceeded any further." 
--92.16.208.165 (talk) 10:09, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  HP / NHP derivation 

message: Substituted at 09:08, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment