Talk:Prince Frederick Charles of Hesse

message: This guy had an international role, being king-elect of another country. (And, for other factors supporting internationality, please read the article.) his name was in translated form when elected monarch (Fredrik Kaarle) - as is the custom dealing with princes. 217.140.193.123 2 July 2005 19:11 (UTC)
*Agree.Arrigo 10:21, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: old musings

message: I wonder about the content on this page. It seems to me that much, maybe the most, of it is irrelevant to the person and is better covered in an article on Germany's non-military strategies to increase her influence in Central Europe during WWI. Parts of it would also surely fit in nicely in the articles on other countries (Baltic countries and Finland) history.
/Tuomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuomas (talk • contribs) 10:15, 3 April 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Friedrich Karl was not the first choice to be King of Finland, but Kaiser Wilhelm´s son Oscar. However Wilhelm was stricly agaist that kind of arrangement. So the Finnish monarhcists had to have other candidates. Duke of Mecklenburgh Adolf Friedrich, Prussian prince Friedrich Wilhelm and Prince of Hesse Friedrich Karl were chosen. Only Friedrich Karl was available after long serious consideration of his own. On the Oct. 9. 1918 he was elected to be king. No voting took place in election process and Maalaisliitto (Rural union) and the only Social Democrat MP took no part in election. However after Germany´s defeat in the great war, Friedrich Karl decided Dec. 4 1918 that he will not rise to the throne. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.179.127.251 (talk) 12:29, 4 April 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You are perfectly right, although you here omit the forces outside of Finland. In December, 1918, there were really no other choises than to renounce the throne. It was hardly any sign of of the Prince's independent will to shape history, rather his ability to act in the best interest of Finland.--Ruhrjung 12:41, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: misc

message: As he is perceived to have come to contact with Finland as a real foreigner, I intend to peruse some published information about his antecedents. In order not to burden the article with details, there goes only clear points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.140.193.123 (talk) 17:08, 3 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: genealogical points

message: Did Frederick Charles of Hesse ever actually set foot in Finland? JIP | Talk 10:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on claims by FInnish historians, no he didn't. Ape89 (talk) 19:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finland 

message: Request to move this either to Frederick Charles of Finland or to Charles of Finland. Henq 16:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He is rarely ever referred to by a Finnish title. Charles 18:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename

message: *Support renaming to Frederick Charles of Finland. He was more commonly known as Frederick Charles than just Charles. Henq 16:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll

message: * Finland is not a footnote. Frederick Charles is most notable for being elected king of Finland. Being part of German nobility is hardly notable in itself. -- Petri Krohn 13:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He is rarely ever referred to by a Finnish title. Charles 18:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I created an ancestry section incorporating all relevant information form Ancestry of Prince Wolfgang of Hesse prior to making it a redirect.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancestry copied from Ancestry of Prince Wolfgang of Hesse 

message: * Some sources have him as "Väinö I"
In the parliamentary resolution which chose him to the kingship, he is mentioned as 'Fredrik Kaarle'.
In drafted documents (never 'signed' to effect), I think in foreign ministry, there were designations for the royal titulary. There he was named as King Kaarle.
(Fredrik was possibly to be dropped, as it was and is somewhat alien to the Finnish language; whereas Kaarle is usual enough in Finnish
Väinämöinen is one of chief figures in the Kalevala, the epic of the 'nation'. Reconstrued (from chieftain) as sorta king.... However, there exists no contemporary (= historical) attestation of that Väinämöinen.
National romantics in latter half of the 1800s had made several boys to be named Väinö, as a revitalization of 'ethnic' Finnish names (the name had NOT been in any use for centuries). There were therefore many Väinös floating around in 1918. (Most of them were young at that time, it was not long enough of that fashioability, to have many elderly men in 1918 with that name)
But, I think, people in 1910s still more or less knew that it was an 'concocted' or 'invented' -at most, reconstrued- name, something which people were not at all using some decades (a generation) earlier.
At the time of the short-lived monarchy (autumn 1918), a republican satirist (Nuorteva, 'Olli') in his newspaper column made fun of the monarchy and there (as far as can be determined, the first ever time) pushed the satirical naming, 'Väinö I', to him.
It looks to me that particularly some later republican propaganda perpetuated (-tendentiously-) that name 'Väinö I', and in that way, it has become something like an urban legend about the matter of the regnal name - believed by gullible people.
What is certain, is that no document of the government at the time ever mentions that 'Väinö' name for him.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.239.182 (talk) 00:10, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi 82 - that's very interesting.  Can you point us to any good secondary sources (preferably in English) which might discuss the issue. I've seen a fair number of general reference work type things which say that "Väinö" was to be his regnal name.  I don't doubt that you're right, but it'd be helpful to see an actual detailed source on the subject and what it says. john k (talk) 00:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  story of the name Väinö 

message: I think we should change the name since he was King of Finland and not Prince. Spongie555 (talk) 03:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But he was not actually King of Finland. He was king designate of Finland, but never reigned. john k (talk) 05:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I still think it should be Frederick Charles of Finland beacuse like in Example Mindaugas II of Lithuania beacuse he never visited Lithuanaia and never assumed the crown. Since Frederick didnt take a regnal name atleast it should be Frederick Charles of Finland and Hesse Spongie555 (talk) 04:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He never took up the position, so no title was ever officially bestowed. Mindaugas II should be renamed and moved also. Nightw 10:19, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Prince?

message: Prince Moritz of Hesse died recently, so the sentence "the source Viini 2/2007 (in Finnish) indicates a view that Moritz of Hesse is the current successor, and prince Donatus is the heir" should probably be changed. Ape89 (talk) 22:45, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What gives you the idea I HAVEN'T read that before? And even if I hadn't, it only confirms that the sentence should be changed, the problem is still the same; HOW it should be worded? Ape89 (talk) 09:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Later life 

message: Michael L Nash (2012) The last King of Finland. Royalty Digest Quarterly, 2012 : 1            
88.195.248.164 (talk) 22:25, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nash article 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Frederik Kaarle I of Finland and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 22#Frederik Kaarle I of Finland until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  DrKay (talk) 07:30, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Frederik Kaarle I of Finland" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Väinö I of Finland and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 22#Väinö I of Finland until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  DrKay (talk) 12:16, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Väinö I of Finland" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: I'm not an expert, but "Leader of Nazi Finland"? 2A02:14F:17A:C49A:9580:6521:F80B:B95A (talk) 10:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible vandalism?