Talk:Amillennialism

message: I'm not familiar with the term inaucurated, or aucurated for that matter, and I don't see any other wiki references to it.  Could someone more knowledgable than me please eludicate on this term? 198.200.181.205 23:17, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Aucurated?

message: Can anyone give references for the claim made by the anonymous contributor 198.103.167.20 that Amillennialism  is "the official position of the Roman Catholic Church".  I have added a link to a page that gives some support to this but suggests that the Roman Catholic Church, whilst it adopts a position which is basically amillennial, has not made an official statement on postmillennialism or amillennialism, only against premillennialism (millenarianism).--PeterR 5 July 2005 22:15 (UTC)
* The following is from the latest "Catechism of the Catholic Church" (copied from the Vatican's official Website at http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2P.HTM)"V. The Last Judgment. 1038 The resurrection of all the dead, 'of both the just and the unjust,' will precede the Last Judgment. This will be 'the hour when all who are in the tombs will hear [the Son of man's] voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.' Then Christ will come 'in his glory, and all the angels with him .... Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.... and they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.' ... 1040 The Last Judgment will come when Christ returns in glory. Only the Father knows the day and the hour; only he determines the moment of its coming. Then through his Son Jesus Christ he will pronounce the final word on all history."MishaPan 23:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the statement that Amillennialism  is "the official position of the Roman Catholic Church" either needs a reference or it needs to be removed. I have never heard or seen any official statement regarding the official position of the Catholic church on any eschatological position. Meng.benjamin 17:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The statement mentioned above still needs attention. references need to be made or the statement needs to be removed. Meng.benjamin 03:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

text: There is a difference between "taught by St. Augustine of Hippo" and being defined doctrine of the Catholic Church.  Certainly Amillenialism is the majority opinion of Catholics, but it hasn't been defined, so the Church itself is not Amillenialist.  Goldfritha 18:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Right. The Reformed variously hold to amill, postmill, and historic premill, and all are allowed by, e.g., the Westminster Confession. A few dispensationalesque Calvinists like John MacArthur hold to other varieties of premill, but they are certainly the exception. --Flex (talk|contribs) 15:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Official positions

message: Disbelief in the Rapture is not an identifying trait because, historically, belief in the Rapture has not been an identifying trait of premillennialism.  Goldfritha 01:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dropped that bit and reapplied some of the other changes. If you have any complaints, let's talk it out here. --Flex (talk|contribs) 20:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are redundantly putting information in the lede that is already in the article and is not significiant enough to belong there.  Goldfritha 01:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Please elaborate. --Flex (talk|contribs) 13:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rapture

message: It seems that the identification of Amillennialism with Idealism is inaccurate.  Whereas Idealists would interpret all of the prophesies in the Apocalypse of St. John as being symbolic--a great mythological and instructive drama, not meant to be taken literally--Amillennialists believe in the actual litteral reality of the prophesies (i.e., there will be an actual person known as the "Beast"/Antichrist), but disagree with Millennialists about how those prophesies will be fulfilled in history (the Kingdom of Heaven is among us now; not a future, temporary, earthly kingdom).MishaPan 13:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reliable source (preferably a well-known amiller) who makes this case? BTW, many amillers are also partial preterists who believe many of the events depicted in the Revelation are already fulfilled (e.g., Nero was the antichrist in view). --Flex (talk|contribs) 14:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, the current article definitely has a Protestant feel to it. Feel free to generalize it and incorporate EO views. (BTW, if you have any EO input that you could share over at Christianity and alcohol, I'd appreciate that, too!) --Flex (talk|contribs) 20:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Idealism?

message: In the Catholic Church there is a feast day called Christ the King. Some dissidents who claim they are amillenialists at one point in the 20th century criticized the Feast day because they felt that having Christ as King of the Church and the World was too political and millenial. The conservative position, while remaining firmly amillenialist, sees nothing wrong with a kingly social reign, as it is noted in the letter Quas Primas. The article should maybe explore the various currents of amillenial thought instead of entirely framing the debate on millenialists vs. amillenialists, which is likely not subtle enough. ADM (talk) 16:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Moderate Amillenialism Vs. Strong Amillenialism

message: Um, wasn't B.B. Warfield a postmillenialist? That's what I've read everywhere it mentions his views...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.212.69 (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: B.B. Warfield

message: Since this article is dealing with the different branches of the Christian church, we should keep the "Roman Catholic Church" designation, rather than the modern shorthand "Catholic Church".  The "Catholic Church", historically, can be used to designate the entire Christian tradition, with "Roman Catholic Church" designating the specific tradition that is different from the Eastern Orthodox and Protestant branches.--Lyonscc (talk) 14:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman Catholic Church vs. Catholic Church 

message: Should the final paragraph describing a viewpoint of E Michael Jones be here at all? Putting aside whether he is a credible source, a view that the millennium (The Rule of Christ) ran from 410 to 1410 and was therefore a literal time period puts this view outside of amillennialism. You might argue that this paragraph would add to the article on post-millennialism but it does nothing here. Unless anyone has any objections, I will remove it. Three6t (talk) 09:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Times 

message: The given citation does not prove "he was amillennial", but that in fact he was opposed to Cerinthus who held this teaching. I will remove him from the article if I do not receive a reply within a few days. The Cake 2 (talk) 03:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dionysius of Alexandria 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The first paragraph of this article should be made clearer. Eg it says “Amillennialists interpret the thousand years symbolically…” but it hasn’t explained yet what “the thousand years” refers to. Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 15:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a link to Millennium. Editor2020 (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What 1000 years?