Talk:Tsifteteli

message: Unfortunately I have no reliable sources, but a professor of linguistics at my university postulates that the origin of the dance is most likely from Albania. It's possibly a dance that was performed alongside the Albanian instrument Çifteli. My personal guess is that the dance evolved during the ottoman empire, since Albania was part of it. Jubeidono (talk) 17:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albanian? 

message: It gave me great laugh to read that Çiftetelli is greek. 
It's name and origin is obviously turkish. I edited the ethimology.
In fact the article aprroves that çiftetelli is brought to Grecce from MicraAsia which is in fact Turkey.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.133.129.16 (talk) 13:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you mean "etymology;" it's good that someone edited the text, but allow me to correct you on one and only matter: Asia Minor ("Μικρά Ασία" is the Greek equivalent) is a region, and thus any assertions as to the origin of a dance by it's current inhabitors alone is, by definition, false; literally dozens of populations have lived in this area, apparently due to its placement on the map that makes it excellent for trade and a number of other endeavors. Finally, please do refrain from indirectly insulting others, especially if you don't mean to sign up on Wikipedia as a permanent member: you wouldn't want to receive an anonymous letter saying that they laugh at what you claimed, right? Still, your edits are very welcome. - RaspK FOG (talk) 08:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  greek dance??? 

message: The referenced Turkish traditional dance link just redirects to this article.  Pretty much useless.--Vidkun 17:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  redirect problems 

message: This article suffers from typographical and spelling errors, bad syntax, and unnecessarily convoluted diction; please check up on your contributions and take more care of them - the state this article is in is awful.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RaspK FOG (talk • contribs) 16:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In serious need of editing! 

message: I am moving this article to "Çiftetelli", as "Greece" is not listed under "Yunanistan", "Çiftetelli" can not be listed under "Tsifteteli"
--Eae1983 (talk) 12:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: I will also now that the page his moved, make some clarifications about the geography, since it is a dance found all over the ex-ottoman empire.
--Eae1983 (talk) 12:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New home

message: Does it also exist in Arabic culture? Badagnani (talk) 21:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic? 

message: Hi!
What is the correct spelling?
one or two L ?
TsifteLLi or TsifteteLi?
Well in greek it τσιφτετέλι with 1L, in turkish its çiftetelli with 2l. Yangula (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: Hello, your recently edits you have done, seems to be unconstractive:
*1.You removed a reliable image: (unexplained rm).
*2.You made a distorted edits on the reference, by removing the phrase: this is the ancient Greek Aristophanic dance, known as Cordax, which is included both in Musipedia: "τσιφτετέλι". (This goes against: Wikipedia:Huggle).
*3.You removed the whole section of Tsifteteli in Greece, but you know that the name of this article is by itself, the name for the Greek style of the bellydance, too!.
Anyone could easily have removed, any of the following edits of the section In turkish too,  but is not appropriate.
These unconstractive edits goes against only the Greek part of this article, and leads to the statement of an editing war. Users are expected to collaborate each other and avoid editing disruptively.
-Kordax (talk) 06:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase "reliable image" makes no sense; images are not sources. Also, the phrase "goes against Wikipedia:Huggle" makes no sense; Huggle is not a policy. You'll have to Find a secondary source to support connection of tsifteteli with ancient dances; tertiary sources and encyclopedias like Musipedia are only borderline reliable. The section Tsifteteli in Greece was full of far-fetched statements not supported by any source (not to mention that the section was written by a banned user). Removal of dubious unsourced material is legitimate. Cheers. --Omnipaedista (talk) 06:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The source of Musipedia is used in both, Greece and Turkey. Also, this article is unreferenced (no sections -neither the section Tsifteteli in Turkey- supported by any source) so there must be a source for both  sections, these edits are the most suitable and unless change it goes : Edit war  -Kordax (talk) 06:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is edit warring. I am still waiting for a reliable source for the purported connection between Tsifteteli and Cordax (the image caption is downright misleading). Indeed, if both sections remain unreferenced (and right now they both are since Musipedia and Chryssanthi Sahar Scharf's article are unreliable sources), they will both have to be removed. An additional problem of the "Greek section" is that its material (ancient Greek dancing) is misleading and irrelevant. --Omnipaedista (talk) 06:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

text: About the Greek section there is no reference in origin of the dance. In first paragraph says: It is propably the ancient Greek Aristophanic dance, known as Cordax, and is based on the references that sections (both Greek and Turkish) supported...
--Kordax (talk) 07:05, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) If ancient origins can't be established, then the "ancient Greek section" is simply irrelevant. 2) Tertiary sources, such as Musipedia, are good when you want to support a trivial claim, such as: "tsifteteli is a rhythm and dance of Anatolia and the Balkans with a rhythmic pattern of 2/4"; this is common knowledge. But, when one makes a claim that is extraordinary (such as "Some [who?] argue that this is the ancient Greek Aristophanic dance"), then one has to find a scholarly source (that actually cites its own sources) to back it up. Unless, you find one supporting the fringe claims of the lede section of the article, there is no point discussing this any further. --Omnipaedista (talk) 07:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Any referenced source of each article should not be unilateral, unless it goes againt Wikipedia:Huggle of reliable sources and predisposes irredentist behavior and editing war, when there is not always a scholarly source for the documentation of the article, it isnt necessary to be, there is nothing else to tell any further --Kordax (talk) 07:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recently edits: 

message: Sources are acceptable by consensus and indisputable,removing it denotes vandalism of Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, (anyone could cite them) However, the name "tsifteteli", means by own the Greek name of bellydance.-79.166.157.19 (talk) 22:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of Bellydance...

message: In every article about Greek culture or cultural element there is a sentence that hints or suggests that that particular element may have already existed in ancient Greece. While the rest of us Balkan countries are happy to aknowledge that most of our modern ethnic culture comes from or has been developed during the Ottoman Empire, Greeke culture has to be special, always making connections with the ancient world. It is not scientific and it promotes racism and ethnic alientation between the nations of the Balkans. 109.69.5.190 (talk) 21:14, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to ancient Greece?