Talk:Reticular activating system

message: For instance, the figure is anatomy-oriented in and old-fashioned way.
See: for a nicer example of an image.
The Dutch Wiki version on Arousal gives a better (also not perfect)
functional perspective. I hope the real experts agree with me on this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.125.178.72 (talk) 17:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am quite disappointed by this entry because the lack of functional focus 

message: I had hoped to see mention of how this related to fatigue. Mathiastck 12:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fatigue 

message: Another way to look at the RAS is to consider why you can sleep at night through all of the normal sounds of your house, but wake up to the sound of the ruffling pajamas of your child as they walk into your bedroom. This is a function of the RAS. It filters out all of the things you know are normal stimuli and activates when something new or different occurs.
The above may be "correct" but it is not written in an encyclopedic style. - Hordaland (talk) 16:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed a paragraph 

message: Are there any books on the topic or resources on the web other than scientific papers?--78.49.205.163 (talk) 19:47, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not aware of anything that isn't junk.  The RAS was the hottest topic in neuroscience in the 1950s, but interest dropped way off long before the internet came into being.  If you find anything, it will probably discuss the RAS in relation to sleep. Looie496 (talk) 20:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Reading? 

message: Reference #16 (as of today) is not a checkable source, so I am removing it:
Interview with Edgar Garcia-Rill, Phd. Center for Translational Neuroscience at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. Interviewed by Dexter Bateman, October 15, 2009.
Gorthian (talk) 09:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable citation 

message: An instructor used “reticular activating system” during an Advanced Management class and emphasized its real-life meaning with an example most of us adults will recognize:  You decide to buy a new car.  You begin the best possible investigation that your personality will permit.  You narrow the field to several vehicles.  You narrow this field to one.  Shortly, you see this vehicle on the road all of the time, whereas before, you hardly recognized it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PointyHairedEE (talk • contribs) 21:04, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arousal—Real Life Examples 

message: Picture is a poor choice; doesn't really show the ARAS. Also, the label says ventral, but this really looks dorsal. The leminiscus is not ventral, and certainly the superior cerebellar peduncle is not ventral but is dorsal.  Pollira (talk) 19:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  main picture 

message: The reason I renamed the page to the "ascending reticular activating system" (ARAS) is that it disambiguates the system with the descending reticular formation (the ARAS is otherwise known as the ascending reticular formation); the latter is sometimes (AFAIK, uncommonly) referred to as the "descending reticular activating system","On the other hand, descending reticular activating system, which is involved in the generation of movement using mediating the spinal motoneurons, could also be related to the state of consciousness. In 2013, Tapia et al suggested that arousal state was related to muscular activation which was mediated by the descending reticular activating system.18"-Quoted from PMID 26871783 despite the fact that it mediates an entirely different process as the ARAS (i.e., motor function as opposed to arousal).  This page is clearly not about the descending and ascending pathways, otherwise it would be fairly redundant with the reticular formation article. 
The use of "ascending reticular activating system" is only marginally less commonly used in pubmed compared to "reticular activating system", I think it would be worthwhile to disambiguate the topic by renaming the article to "ascending reticular activating system".  Of the 401 papers that include the term "reticular activating system" in the title or abstract, 223 include "reticular activating system" without the word "ascending" and 159 include the term "ascending reticular activating system".
At the moment, there isn't an article on the descending reticular formation, but when there is, its creation will result in a disambiguation problem with this article if the present name is retained.  Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 22:04, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose covering the descending pathways here works too, but the whole article needs to be restructured (I.e., partitioned into descending vs ascending RAS sections) and expanded if we take this approach.  I only covered the ARAS when I rewrote the anatomical components section, so that will require expansion.  Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 11:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, I just noticed after googling "reticulospinal" (a synonymous term with the descending pathways) that we do have an article exclusively about the descending reticular formation: Reticulospinal tract.  Should we create appropriate redirects to that page and cover the ARAS here, or merge both into 1 article? Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 12:19, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Good contextual reference IMO: Human neuroanatomy (2016) textbook. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 12:31, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:   Just found a lot of refs to the descending reticular activating system in the Google books search - so think reticulospinal tract could be redirected here with content merged. Since the ascending one is predominantly referred to feel it's only natural to look for the descending one. --Iztwoz (talk) 15:43, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There's likely to be a lot of overlap with reticular formation after that merger.  Should we not just merge everything into that article? Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 15:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with that - there is a lot of merging of stubs and general sorting that needs doing around these articles - think that your idea would also lend itself to future changes. Cheers --Iztwoz (talk) 15:55, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I figured I'd just check with others at WT:NEURO for their thoughts on the best approach, so I notified them of this thread for their input. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 15:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think maybe a point that doesn't get enough emphasis is in the paragraph at the end of reticular formation: The term "reticular formation" is seldom used anymore except to speak in generalities. Modern scientists usually refer to the individual nuclei that comprise the reticular formation. The reticular formation is generally viewed nowadays as a sort of pseudo-structure -- a grouping of unrelated things, along the lines of the so-called limbic system. Looie496 (talk) 18:36, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This statement though is uncited - the term is still much used  like this one three months old. As long as it is being used it will be being looked up - same goes for limbic system - so do not see the point of criticism.? Wikipedia is for the general reader not the scientist. Also the second sentence is contradictory - it says 'usually refer to the individual nuclei that comprise the reticular formation'; so that would leave the reticular formation as an entity.--Iztwoz (talk) 20:35, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

text: I came here from the note at WT:NEURO, and I don't have much to add, other than that I think merging all three pages into a single page looks like a good idea. As for terms being outdated, that's sort of an "inside baseball" kind of thing for some neuroscientists, but terms like this and like limbic system are so thoroughly ingrained that we should continue to use them because readers will look for them, and we can describe new developments in terminology in the text. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:15, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, since we all seem to be in agreement, I'm going to take a stab at merging and restructuring all the content from the Reticular activating system→Reticular formation and Reticulospinal tract→Reticular formation mergers sometime soon-ish using these 2 references (particularly this chapter on the reticular formation from the "Human Neuroanatomy" textbook). Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 02:11, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

text: It looks very good. Thanks! --Tryptofish (talk) 17:34, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As above - nice job. --Iztwoz (talk) 06:54, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  ARAS vs RAS 

message: I finished merging the reticular activating system and reticulospinal tract articles into the reticular formation article.  How's it look? Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 01:14, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks very good. Thanks! --Tryptofish (talk) 17:34, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As above - nice job. --Iztwoz (talk) 06:54, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger complete