Talk:BBC/Archive 4

message: On the Talk:BBC Parliament page someone has said that their analogue cable service BBC Parliament is broadcast full screen. I know for af act that it is broadcast full-screen on satellite. Is it broadcast quarter size on Freeview or digital cable? Mintguy (T) 10:18, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, BBC Parliament is broadcast quarter size on Freeview, with an interactive application displayed in the other three-quarters of the screen. I don't know about digital cable though. -Marknew 11:01, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I presume that this Freeview only, where bandwidth would be moreofan issue. Mintguy (T) 11:05, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably, although the fact that the BBC can broadcast two full-screen channels with nothing but the BBCi logo on for most of the day, and yet can't show BBC Parliament in full screen is strange! - Marknew 11:59, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The 701 and 702 channels are restricted to extra "interactive" content only, so a normal channel or programme cannot be shown on them. But it does seem a bit silly sometimes... Tom- 12:08, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC Parliament screen-size

message: Someone just removed the BBC logo (image) from this article.  I'm pretty sure it is OK to use the image with proper attribution.  Comments? - Bevo 22:13, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: From : "The BBC logo is the copyright of the British Broadcasting Corporation and may only be reproduced when authorised. BBC is a trademark of the British Broadcasting Corporation." - This makes it sound unlikely that Wikipedia can use the logo, but I'm not an expert on these matters. - Marknew 11:21, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: Yes, the logo is easy fair use in an article about the corporation it is refering to. Likely simple fair dealing as well. See Wikipedia:Logos for more on this subject. Jamesday 13:58, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed "Usage restricted. Trademarks on this page belong to their owner. See Image use policy." from the logo caption. This remark is, at best, misleading. Wikipedia does not use the logo in any way that could infringe on trademarks. Even if it did, then ugly disclaimers like this would have to be added on every page everywhere. We should really, really do without. djmutex 15:33, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo, fair use? 

message: The edit at 20:51, 19 Jul 2004 (by IP 62.64.209.39) re-organised the list of BBC regions so that the Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland regions were once again inserted into the same regions list as BBC South West, BBC East and BBC London, reverting a change that I had made on 8th July.
The edit comment posted by the contributor gave the following reason: "restore order of UK regions (they're just meant to go north to south) and are based around news, not anything else" (emphasis added by me). However, it is not the case that the Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland "regions" are "based around news, not anything else", but effectively run their own BBC One and (to a lesser extent) BBC Two services; for example, there are often major schedule variations between BBC One Scotland and the main feed of BBC One.
I believe that it is unfair to place these major production centres in the same league as the smaller English regions, who (for 95% of the time) only organise broadcast scheduled news bulletins and current affairs programming at a set time every day. This was the reason why I made the edit at 12:57, 8 Jul 2004, which highlighted that "Scot, Wales, NI are more significant than the English regions (in schedule control, programming etc.)", believing that the changes that I made more ably reflected this situation. For this reason, I have once again separated the regions of "BBC England" (so to speak) and the "regions" of BBC Scotland, BBC Wales and BBC Northern Ireland. If anyone feels that my argument is flawed and wishes to change it back again, could they please, if possible, post their argument for doing so here first. Thank you. -- Marknew 19:37, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are considered "nations" rather than "regions" by the BBC. So you are quite right not to list them as regions. Bonalaw 17:37, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC Regions List