Talk:House of La Marck

message: Main Branch:
*Counts of Berg, dividing their properties between Everhard or modern Eberhard (Altena) and Engelbert into Berg and Altena in 1160.
*Counts of Altena, dividing their properties in Westphalia again between Arnold of Altena and his Brother Friederich of Altena (or Berg-Altena).
*The Line of Arnold became the House of Isenberg and later Isenberg-Limburg or better known as Limburg-Styrum. Most know familymember was Friedrich of Isenberg, accused and sentenced for the murder of the Archbishop Engelbert of Cologne (Berg) in 1225.
*The other Brother Friederich bought the House and Village Marck near Hamm and his Son Adolf I. von der Marck of de la Marck called himself puer comes de marca in 1202 and after 1225 the family used the Title de la Marck (von der Marck) solely.
Adolf is the founder of the Titel and House of La Marck.
He lived until 1249, his son Engelbert I. reigned 1249-1277, both are Burried in the Abbey church of Cappenberg near Hamm.
*His Son Eberhard I. Reigned 1277 - 1308
*Engelbert II. 1308-1328
*Adolf II. 1328-1347
*Engelbert III. 1347-1391 (Childless)
*His Brother Adolf took over, he started his career as Prince-Bishop of Münster 1357-1363 (as Adolf I von der Mark), became 1363 Prince- and Archbishop of Cologne and Duke of Westphalia (as Adolf II. von der Mark), 1364 he left the Church and became heir of the Last Count of Cleves as Adolf I. of Cleves and and in 1391 he became Adolf III. von der Mark.
*1393, County of Mark was given to his son Dietrich II. von der Mark. Fallen in battle near Elberfeld 1398.
*His Brother Adolf II. Count of Cleves (Cleves counting/ 1394) combined both counties as Cleves-Mark in his hand. He became the first Duke of Cleves and is als called Adolf I. Duke of Celves-Mark. He died 1437.
*Gerhard von der Mark zu Hamm claimed Mark in 1409 as his part of his fathers heritage until 1430 he and his Brother Adolf II. fought for the heritage. 1430 the setteld the Matter in a truce, renewed in 1437. Gerhard was allowed to reign within the county of Mark but the Title stayed with his brother and he had to use the suffix zu Hamm. Gerhard died in 1461 and is buried in Hamm. He was childless.
*Johann I. of Cleves 1448-1481 Duke of Cleves,1461-1481 Count of Mark.
*Johann II. of Cleves-Mark 1481-1521 son of Johann I.
*Johann III. took over the Dukedoms of Julich and Berg and the County of Ravensberg from his father-in-law Wilhem in 1511 and later his fathers possesions in 1521. He died in 1539 (he was the Father of Anne of Cleves wife of Henry VIII.).
*His son was Wilhelm V. or IV. (counting of Cleve or the other Dukedoms). He is the first Duke of the United Dukedoms Julich-Cleves-Berg. Between 1538 and 1543 he was also Duke of Gelre(nl) or Geldern(de) and Count of Zutphen, he lost both in a war with the Habsburg monarchy (Karl V.). He died in 1592. His oldest son Karl-Friedrich died with 19 on a journey to Italy in Rome (1575) and is burried in Santa Maria dell’Anima opposite to the grave of Pope Hadrian VI..
*Johann-Wilhelm I. the younger son was Prince Bisho of Münster 1574-1585 and then left the church to become the last Duke of Julich, Cleve and Berg, Count of Mark and Ravensberg, Lord of Ravenstein and Lippstadt. He died childless in 1609.
End of the Main Line.
Engelbert II. Count of Marck married Mechtilde von Aremberg (or Arenberg) in 1299. 
The following lines decendes directly or later from his children. 
*The Main Line as above.
*The House de la Marck Dukes of Nevers.
*The House de la Marck Counts of Rochefort
*The House de la Marck Counts of Arenberg, Lummen, Neufchateau and Aigremont (Starting with Eberhard von der Marck-Arenberg son of Engelbert II. This line spilt up again into Marck-Arenberg, the Lords of Sedan and the Counts of Schleiden-Saffenberg.)
*Wilhelm the Boar the Ardennes was founder of the Schleiden Line and the first de la Marck Governor of Bouillon.
*The Roberts I., II., III. and IV. (Line of Sedan) were also Governors of Bouillon or Dukes of Bouillon in their own rights until the Line ends with Charlotte de la Marck. 
Here for the Lines Nevers, Rochefort, Arenberg .
--Gabriel-Royce (talk) 13:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: German: Familie von der Marck or Mark (modern spelling)/ House of la Marck / Maison de la Marck ...

message: It seems "Liensmen" and "liensman" are in neither the Oxford nor the Webster dictionaries, so they should be defined or replaced. 
Based on the roots I assume they had something to do with liens, but I cannot tell from the roots whether this was making, taking or enforcing.
Under "History":
"Originally liensmen of the Archbishops of Cologne in the Duchy of Westphalia, the family reigned the County of Mark, ..."
50.71.210.133 (talk) 04:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  liensmen is not a word in the English language, according to both the Oxford and Webster dictionaries 

message: why is the house named in french here? I see an early ancestor was a french bishop, but the entire family and duchy were german for basically their entire history. Is that a historical consensus within english historiography or an arbitrary choice for this article? --Hilbeck (talk) 02:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name