Talk:Carmelites

message: "The original rule of the order was now changed"...Was now changed? That doesn't sound right to me. What's this trying to say?24.131.12.228 23:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsectioned comment

message: The last sentence in the Origin and Early History section reads:
:"During his rule of twenty years the order prospered, especially by the establishment of a monastery at Paris by Saint Louis in 1259."
Problem is, there are at least seven Catholic Saints named Saint Louis (possibly more), only two of which are listed on the Saint Louis disambiguation page. (I haven't looked to see if any more Sain Louis articles exist in Wikipedia.)
Any idea which Saint Louis is being referenced in this article?
From a cursory perusal of the available material, King Louis IX of France, monarch and saint, seems the most likely candidate, certainly given that the time frame of his reign fits with the date of 1259, and the location in Paris.
But I'm not 100% sure, so I haven't linked him to this article.
Anyone with more expertise in this area able to clarify?
Thanks, Kevyn 22:22, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Saint Louis

message: Is it Carmelites or Carmélites, as in Dialogues des Carmélites the opera by Francis Poulenc and Georges Bernanos? Hyacinth 23:39, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: é?

message: A separation probably should be made between Discalced Carmelites  (OCD)and the Carmelites of the Ancient Order (OCarm). They are considered separate orders and though I wouldn't say they dislike each other, there is still an intense rivalry between them at times. Williamb 12:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Separation

message: Since there are already articles on the Scapular in general and the Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel (the Carmelite brown scapular) in particular, I think that the section on the scapular in this article should be cut, with suitable passages added to the two scapular articles. What do you think?
— Diamantina 07:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scapular 

message: There is evidence of Mt. Carmel hermits from soon after Exodus to the Carmelites: it is in Mandaean Nasurai (Nazar: see Nazarean, i.e. Nazarite) texts.  These record a community at Mt. Carmel.  Nazar are/were Jewish[-Christians].  Yeshua is said to have lived in Nazareth, which there is no evidence of but it is near Mt. Carmel, but he is/was also said to be a Nazarean at least in prophecy, and moreover Paul was accused of being a 'ringleader in the sect of Nazareans' before Orthodoxy ever defined them heretics.  Nazarean, most Orthodox/Catholic monastic, particularly Orthodox, Carmelite and derived orders are essentially similar.  As the last post said, this article has a POV and in the light of research from ancient to present (even last century) times it should be changed.--Dchmelik (talk) 09:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'evidence' of origin 

message: Why no mention of self-flagellation? This is considered interesting enough for the Carmelites use of a cattail whip made of light chains with small spikes or hooks to be referred to specifically on the Wikipedia flagellation page. 
A quick search on Google brings up loads of links.
Mapryan 07:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a satisfactory solution, as it turns out. The cross-reference is to a section within the flagellation article that may be very specific, but has not a single supporting citation. It would be good to verify this properly, as Da Vinci Code fever put a spotlight on religious self-flagellation. Maybe some of those Google hits lead to scholarly sources you could add? Cynwolfe (talk) 21:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Elizdelphi. History2007 (talk) 09:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-flagellation 

message: : not moved. A redirect from Order of the Brothers of Our Lady of Mount Carmel has been created. Station1 (talk) 19:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Carmelites → Order of the Brothers of Our Lady of Mount Carmel — The name "Carmelites" should be only a redirect. In the Carmelite Rule this religious order have the formal name "Order of...", as it happens in another religious orders (eg. Order of Saint Benedict). 84.90.92.195 (talk) 19:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

text: But also the Discalced friars and nuns, the Byzantines, and another derivations of this religious order are "Carmelites". The article of the main order should be renamed to "Order of the Brothers of Our Lady of Mount Carmel" because it is the correct denomination. 84.90.92.195 (talk) 20:00, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Let us wait for Elizdelphi. She has good ideas on this, most likely. History2007 (talk) 20:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Under the Charism and origin heading, when describing the rules of the order, vows of poverty, silence and abstinence from meat are mentioned. Also "fasting from Holy Cross Day (September 14) until the Easter of the following year." Is this in error? It seems unlikely that an order would require its members to fast for half of the year. Mostfolkscallmeerick (talk) 18:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fasting for 6 months of the year 

message: Why are nearly all of the images those of Carmelite nuns (2nd order), and not of the Friars of the First Order? There is a separate article on the nuns. Seems a serious imbalance. Vicedomino (talk) 06:46, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

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message: English source says founder was Elijah the Prophet (https://archive.org/details/lingeringslight00whitgoog/page/n204/mode/)Manabimasu (talk) 07:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founder