Talk:Dnieper

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rivers#Naming—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobias Conradi (talk • contribs) 20:53, 8 March 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Upper case

message: This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. - double redirects fixed too. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 12:02, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Descision

message: Can we have a pronunciation guide for Dnieper please?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.145.134.103 (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: I urge Ukrainian editors to improve the article about their national river. Why not mention the Greek colony on Berezan Island, Herodotus's fables about its course, the Gothic capital?.. A picture of DneproGES is mandatory. I'm surprized that Khortitsa and the cataracts are not mentioned at all. It would be nice to have a sample translated from Gogol's famous description. The etymology needs double checking: why Sarmatian, not Scythian or any other poorly attested Iranian dialect spoken in the area? A parellel with the names of Dniester and Don would be instructive. --Ghirla -трёп- 21:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note. It's not DneproGES, but rather DniproHES (Dnipro Hydro-Electric Station).Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 05:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The article needs attention

message: People, you need to stop use google as the justification for anything. You're "googling" proves absolutely nothing. I hate to sound abvious, but as the old saying states that it's the quality of a material that counts, not the quantaty....Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 05:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: STOP using Google!

message: and this article says: "the Huns called it Var". Oaros and Var, the same name! Oar = Var ("-os" was just a Greek suffix.) Böri (talk) 08:34, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herodotus also called it Oaros 

message: From the article:The first constructed was the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station (or DniproHES) near Zaporizhia, built in 1927–1932 with an output of 558 MW. It was destroyed during World War II, but was rebuilt in 1948 with an output of 750 MW.
Proof it was destroyed in WWII: Paying for Hitler's War: The Consequences of Nazi Hegemony for Europe; Jonas Scherner, Eugene N. White; Cambridge University Press; March 21, 2016; page 403; https://books.google.com/books?id=A9BCDwAAQBAJ&q=Dnieper+Hydroelectric+Station+destroyed&f=false#v=onepage;
Regarding the 750 number, quoted from The Electrical Journal; Volume 162; David B. Adams; 1959; page 627; https://books.google.com/books?id=eJUTAQAAMAAJ: "Doubling the Dnieper Hydro Output [indented newline] Prof Andrei Voznesensky, director of the U.S.S.R. Institute of Hydro- Electric projects, said that it is possible to double the capacity of the Dnieper hydro-electric station by the creation of a huge reservoir for the Kremen- chug hydro-electric station further up the Dnieper. By regulating the flow of the river, the reservoir will enable the reduction of the spillway section of the Dnieper dam by one-third, and a power station with six turbo-alternator sets can be constructed on the site made available in this manner, raising the station's capacity by 750 MW to 1 350 MW. The cost of this project will only be one-third of the outlay needed for erecting a new 750 MW station."
So it could produce more power. And "raising the station's capacity by 750 MW to 1 350 MW" means that the original capacity was 600. However, I cannot tell which year it had that capacity. It might say in the rest of the article, but Google Books makes it difficult to view it. --NoToleranceForIntolerance (talk) 22:55, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed 

message: There's not actually any good reason to separately list the Romanian name on this page, is there? There aren't any major communities of Romanians along this river or a period I'm forgetting when Romania secretly controlled central Ukraine, right? It's still available on the left links, at Wikidata, and at Wiktionary for the curious. — LlywelynII 23:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanian

message: Dnipro river as the article literally states goes through three countries. Those being Ukraine, belarus and russia. But the biggest part of the river goes through Ukraine. And in Ukrainian it is called Dnipro. So why it says dnieper? I understand it’s a russian spelling of it, but russia has the smallest part of it. Either name it only Dnipro (as the biggest part of it is in Ukraine, so it has to be Ukrainian spelling), or give it all three names including belarusian spelling. Obviously, in logical order so that Dnipro still stand first due to obvious reasons 185.177.190.203 (talk) 19:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the English spelling, it's not based on where it's located. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

text: We use WP:COMMONNAME, and the common name is Dnieper in English. The Russian name is Днепр (Dnjepr), which is neither spelled nor pronounced like Dnieper (Neeper, D'neeper).--Ermenrich (talk) 20:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2022 

message: Change the "main" name of this river to the Ukrainian "Dnipro" from Russian "Dniepr" this river does not flow through Russia at all and is mainly in Ukraine. Gab3196 (talk) 22:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: see above request Cannolis (talk) 23:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2022 

message: @Kwamikagami reverted my tagging two pronunciations as failed verification with “check before tagging.”
I had checked.
The article says:  but the cited source says 
The article says:  but the cited sources says , or click “show IPA” and it says 
Now I don’t mind if we interpret IPA or other transcription and ensure it is transcribed into our system, if the source says it uses different assumptions or transcription. I do have reservations about “converting” an American English transcription into a British English equivalent or vice versa. 
But this is just not what the source says at all. I suspect it is based on someone’s opinion that “/dn/ is impossible in English” or something of the sort I recall in discussions. In my opinion that is not true. Please support that with a source that is more reliable than these English dictionaries if that’s the argument.
I am restoring the tags for now.  —Michael Z. 00:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the Dnieper sound file at Lexico. It's /dəˈniːpə/. The only accommodation was adding the final -r. There's a note to the same effect for Dnipro, though I can no longer access it, but obviously the dn- in 'Dnieper' is not going to be phonemically distinct from the dn- in 'Dnipro'. — kwami (talk) 01:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

text: It's hardly an opinion, but a well-known phonotactic constraint in English. Don't have a book/journal source at the moment (because this is so standard that I'd have to look through elementary linguistic texts), but OK, here are some web notes from Eötvös Loránd University:  That covers /dn/. Yes, English speakers who also speak a Slavic language would be able to handle that cluster, but that's certainly not most English speakers. Double sharp (talk) 02:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If they did, others wouldn't hear the /d/, which is why we get the silent-d pronunciation. I just saw a program where someone used an alveolar click in onomatopoeia for a gunshot (which much more effective than bang! bang!), but he was a native Xhosa-speaker. When phonologists make statements about phonotactics, there's usually an understanding that they're speaking of monolinguals. — kwami (talk) 04:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Otherwise we'd have to posit that English has tones because I (and no doubt many other bilinguals) pronounce the names of Chinese cities, dynasties, people, etc. as in Mandarin (with the tones). Clearly, considering bilinguals quickly leads to absurdity. Double sharp (talk) 05:53, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources gives transcriptions. You changed them and provided here a litany of original-research rationales. Please either edit the text to reflect the cited source, remove the citation, or restore the tags.  —Michael Z. 16:28, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's perfectly normal on WP to (1) transcribe from sound files or (2) edit transcriptions from other sources to conform with how we decided to use the IPA (because different sources use it differently). Double sharp (talk) 03:05, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation and sources 

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message: Is there a reason why "Dnipro" and "Dniapro" are chosen as alt names when "Dnepr" generally has higher usage than both of them? They are all mentioned in the footnote but I am not sure why those two specifically are highlighted in bold. Mellk (talk) 08:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose because of the conceit that “Dnieper” is the same as “Dnepr”. As to why the others are bolded, they are alternative names in Ukrainian and Belarusian respectively. I’m not sure about Dniapro, but Dnipro is in major western journalistic publications now, like the New York Times.—-Ermenrich (talk) 11:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "Dnipro" can probably be considered as an alt name, but I see very little usage of "Dniapro" or "Dnyapro" so I do not think it makes sense to include this in bold. There are also plenty of English-language sources that use "Dnepr" rather than the English name "Dnieper" (after all, the river flows through Russia too). If we include all local names, then there will be too many alt names (see WP:ALTNAMES), but then it does not make to omit "Dnepr" but include "Dniapro". Mellk (talk) 12:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I would generally agree with removing Dniapro. I suspect adding "Dnepr" may result in some edit warring, but it seems reasonable to me.--Ermenrich (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alt names