Talk:Hal Gardner

message: On the TV series 24, last we saw Gardner was still VP. But the article is written on the assumption that Gardner becomes President soon after the events of the season 5 finale. That's just speculation, and does not belong in an encyclopedia. For example, the succession box currently says that Gardner serves "at least 1 year" as President. Where does that come from? We don't know that he will be President at all, much less that he will serve at least a year. He might die two months after being sworn in. Or he might die before being sworn in. We just don't know. Anyone working on this page should read WP:WAF; this page needs to be rewritten so that it draws on and cites secondary sources, and is written from an out-of-universe perspective. --Mathew5000 02:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that isn't what he says. He says "In any event, we can expect Hal Gardner to be sworn in as President soon.". But that isn't even the point; for purposes of the series it is still 7:00 AM -- time hasn't moved since the season finale ended. Even if they had already scheduled his swearing in by the time the episode ended (which they had not), it hasn't happened yet: Hal Gardner might drop dead before being sworn in as President.--Mathew5000 18:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Calm down, no need for all-caps. Where did Howard Gordon say that? I wouldn't object to information about what Howard Gordon said being placed in the text of the article with a proper citation, but I still think it would be wrong to refer to Gardner as if the character had already been made President, particularly in an infobox.--Mathew5000 15:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: This page and Charles Logan might benefit from mediation. --Mathew5000 19:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page is not encyclopedic 

message: "Hal Gardner is 24's fourth President, and the second to be sworn in through the 25th Amendment." 
If you include Jim Prescott than the tally should be five presidents and three through the 25th Ammendment"
Uh..no! The action was anulled. That means it is as if it never took place. Doesn't count.---RJ
Same here.  Prescott may have been "Acting President" twice, once in Day II, and once in 24: The Game, but since he never fully replaced Palmer, he remains "Acting President."
Just curious, but where in the series did they reference (or better yet, show) Hal Garner as President instead of just as Vice President?  May I suggest Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.  I'm gonna revert those changes, as it is not stated in the series or on the official website at all.  This is wikipedia, we don't take part in Original Research.  If he's actually been officially called President, please include sources into the article and leave the fancruft out. Radagast83 04:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And please, if you're going to edit the page, please don't leave incomplete sentences such as: "Gardner becomes President, he would be 24's fourth on-screen President", it just doesn't make sense. Radagast83 04:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Which discussion?  The one that's have a page above this one?  There are only claims to this without any attribution.  Like I've said, if Howard Gordon has said this, it souldn't be hard to source it.  It would end this issue once and for all.  The DVD set is not out yet, so saying that a special feature will be evidence only works if you're actually working on it, as no one else has seen this. So I say again, if he's actually President, there should be valid sources to easily answer this once and for all. Radagast83 18:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Radagast83 is correct: there was no consensus. --Mathew5000 22:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: This should not be hard for you to confirm if it's true. Attribution man, attribution (link, what 'episode'?).  Just saying it was on 24 Insider isn't really proof, and it's not OUR job to blindly believe what an unsigned person has posted, especially without a single source to back up what you claim. Radagast83 02:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm still not going to do your job for you, but while you're at it, read Links normally to be avoided, specifically no. 9. Forums are generally not very good sources, especially ones you have to register to access (something I and I'm sure most people are not willing to do).  If that link purportedly includes "other sources", then suggest THOSE here instead of the one you did. Radagast83 00:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It's fiction. We can't say, "Gardner is president at some point between seasons five and six, therefore Gardner is now president." There simply is no "now" in the 24 universe while the show is not airing. For example, suppose an author writes a bestselling novel where the two main characters get married at the end. Then a year later, the author appears on a television talk show and says he is planning a sequel in which you find out that the characters got divorced within a year after the events of the first novel. If Wikipedia has an article on the characters, should it say that they are "now" divorced? --Mathew5000 04:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''President'' Hal Garner 

message: Hello, all, I am Shadow1, the mediator currently working on this case. For the purposes of getting this issue resolved quickly, I am asking that someone please explain their point of view below, then a person on the opposite side of this dispute explain their point of view below that. I wish to work with all parties to resolve this problem, but I can't do that if users do not express their views in a brief, calm, and unbiased manner. If you have any questions or comments, you can place them here or on my talk page. Thanks! Shadow1 17:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you.  In the timeline of 24 we have not seen this character as president, so labelling him as so would be speculation that in no way could be verified.  It really is a simple and quite silly issue. Jtrost (T | C | #) 21:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it has been resolved, yes.  What happens now? Radagast83 17:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediation Section

message: Since Gardner's Presidency is entirely offscreen and there was no on-screen mention of appointing a new VP to succeed him, putting Noah Daniels in the box as successor to Gardner is speculation/guesswork at best. Without anything explicit showing that he was the next VP before Wayne Palmer's election, I'm adjusting the box accordingly. 147.70.242.40 20:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Successor as VP? 

message: Gardener is a very unimportant character with no importance in the wider 24 universe. The whole page is nothing but a plot summary with no discussion of the character. Merge. asyndeton 14:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal