Talk:Ninety Pound Wuss

message: Could this band be considered pop punk? references? Xsxex 00:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre

message: Why does this article need to point out the religious content in the songs to such a degree? It almost seems like whoever wrote lines like these:
...yet as their religious content grew less pronounced, their sound would become more diverse.
might be a little biased in their writing of the article (why does there need to be a "yet"?) It's almost like the author of the article is correlating the religious beliefs of Suffering with music that is not "diverse." This smacks of someone who feels uncomfortable with the "Christian" content of the band - maybe a non-religious fan? Here's another telling line:
The vast majority of the album's lyrics dealt with the Christian faith and frequently mentioned Christ or Jesus.
"frequently mentions Christ or Jesus"...Oh really? Is that what Christians do? The naiveté is astonishing. There are many "Christian" bands that don't have such references and yet the band is comfortable with the label. There are other "Christian" bands that refuse the label and have obvious references to Christ (Wovenhand for example). The last sentence is the silliest of them all:
However, songs like "A.S.D." and "Misplaced Society", with their lack of blatant religious context, would be a glimpse at the direction the band was heading, both lyrically and musically.
What makes a song have "blatant religious context" (content)? Does the lack of "Christian" content make one song non-Christian and other others Christian? I think this person is trying to turn the band from what he/she sees as a former "Christian" band into a political/social commentary...whatever, band. This assessment of the music is totally wrong anyways - these songs don't provide a "glimpse" into anything. In fact most of the songs on the album sound similar and could also be seen as providing a "glimpse at the direction the band was heading." How are these lyrics from "Misplaced Society" any less "Christian" or "blatantly religious"?
My flesh is still decieved, but that won't hold on to me
Or make me be greedy, or conditional in thought,
Prayer, or praise, i follow the Son.
And make no room for the other, who lies,
And cheats, and steals from me with his obscure insanity's.
Woe to the man who hits me in the eye,
I might just turn and let you have another swing.
Yeah, i'll turn the other cheek and let you think you win.''
Prayer, praise, following the Son, and "turning the other cheek"?
Again, the assessment is totally wrong and this article needs to be revised to take this into account. Maybe someone could email Jeff and ask him questions about the band's lyrical direction? Here are some lyrics from "Where Meager Die of Self Interest" the song "Premonition":
Leaning not on self alone
Yet feeling sufficient for life giving forces
Recklessness ends all possibility of future
In this dark age
We've destroyed through murmuring
Gestures which confront ourselves
And I cry out Lord take me now
I know it's the end
She said our time lasts
I guess she proved herself wrong
I thought I know the love of two
I forgot three makes a trinity
Three's a perfect union
I can sense the end in your eyes
I hear your thoughts in my memory
How could I forget
The close proximity of your face
I guess we all stumble sometimes
Lord I cry at your feet''
Trinity, Lord, "leaning not on self alone"...does this fit into your box? I think that such subjective ideas as to what constitutes "blatant" religious thoughts, feelings, words, whatever... need to be removed; what about blatant religious metaphor?
By the way, here are some further links that should be added to this article about Jeff's current ministry at Mars Hill:
Youtube Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/jsuffering
His old praise band:
http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/team-strike-force
His blog:
http://jsuffering.wordpress.com/
And also Matt Johnson's ministry:
http://theresurgence.com/authors/matt-johnson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.118.180 (talk) 06:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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