Talk:Laetitia Casta

message: Why would the French people make a devout Sunni Muslim the symbol of their country?
68.84.17.112 02:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To whom do you refer? Tmangray 17:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamic Marianne? 

message: With the recent spate of IP vandalism, removing the IMDb link (Mbalensiefer's return, anyone?), it seems high time to semi-protect the article. Thoughts? -Phoenixrod (talk) 00:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a given, but you never know with Wikipedia. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 09:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection? 

message: Is there a reason that celebrity Web sites such as the FashionModel Directory are back to being listed on this page?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.231.65.26 (talk) 02:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For a start, FMD has its own Wikipedia article and appears to be somewhat notable, unlike a random fansite. But then, I didn't insert the link, so I may not be the best person to answer the question. -Phoenixrod (talk) 03:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fashion Model Directory

message: On May 19, 2012 you restored the following text quoted here in a dotted frame for discussion. It was already in the section Marianne → Models.
Why do you need to duplicate it without more precision despite I added the bookmark to the link?
 She won from a shortlist of five candidates, scoring 36% among the 15,000 voting mayors. The other candidates were ... 
: There is no need to list the losers of this election. It is not diplomatic for them.
: See my reference n° 16 by the Consulate of France in New York.
: Are you really interesting in the percentage of her score and the number of voting mayors?
: In your reference n° 17, you are promoting not only a fan site but using the subtle mechanism of the dead link. Is it by definition a reliable source? This demonstrates how long you needed to cancel my contribution and mainly check the two only references of the short but oriented abstract that you restored.
 Shortly thereafter a mini-scandal shook France,
: The word scandal and the verb shook are not appropriate. See WP:PEACOCK, WP:NOTSCANDAL. It is not a "mini-scandal" but an affair of state as indicated in my reference quoting the reliable source the Belgium newspaper Le Soir because it involves official statements from both sides of the channel tunnel including a statement of the French minister of interior quoting explicitly her name. 
 after it was publicised that Casta — the new icon of the Republic — had relocated to London.
: You introduced a biased opinion asserted as a wrong fact "(she) had relocated to London". Note the vague "it was publicised that", which sounds apparently as a typical WP:WEASEL expression to support a biased viewpoint.
: The final sentence contains the main WP:NPOV issue.
 Although she claimed that her move was motivated by practical professional reasons,
: The bias "her move" begins the part that presents her own reasons. Again she did not move. Are her children born in London? The justification "practical professional reasons" is WP:UNSOURCED. Hence the prominence of the final fake viewpoint. Check WP:UNDUE and WP:BALANCE.
 the magazine Le Point, among others, suggested that she was trying to escape taxes.
: The restored abstract quotes the name of the French magazine Le Point but its last reference n° 18 is about the British Broadcasting Corporation News. What is the coherence? The failure in the neutrality tone is that you conclude the section by a suggestion of  "Le Point, among others," for which the readers could think it is perhaps true after all particularly after the reading of the BBC News completely against her. Of course I kept this reference but certainly not in conclusion.
: In the revision history you wrote: "previous version was overkill and borderline incomprehensible".
: I understand that you find my contributions incomprehensible if you delete the references that you do not understand because of the WP:NPOV#Anglo-American focus syndrome illustrated by your other recent deletions: 
:* Deletion of the French link Blue Bicycle in the lead section. I will not teach you the principle of the Expand French tag in the header of the Gainsbourg movie. It would be more difficult to create the English page of the Blue Bicycle movie from the current English link pointing to the author of the book that I finally added since you prefer no link instead of a French link.
:* You did not delete all  Filmography Notes. You only kept about The Island my note "First film with English dialogue" removing Bulgarian movie and the Croatian link to a festival despite the positive contribution of another editor demonstrating that this note interested at least one Wikipedian contributor.
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Maybe the readers could agree about the consensus in the mouth of the French minister of interior. 
He declared that her installation is not corroborated.
: Note that he did not use the word "move". I invite you to use google translator to translate his short interview quoted by L'Expansion because he explains the trap by the media.
: Beyond the research and filter of reliable sources that still exist nowadays, my presentation establishes an analogy between this affair and the play of theatre Ondine that she interpreted. The Great Jury at the radio corresponds to the trial in the play for which I translated a short extract from the #1 judge in reference. It is the entire power of Wikipedia that allows linking here to the myth of salamanders or the destructive test. No matter she is an ondine or a salamander, she will be sentenced to the capital punishment. There is also a reference to her role as Luisa Sanfelice beheaded as icon of the Republic. I fully summarized the political context explaining why the opposition used this affair as pretext to criticism the French government in order that the alleged scandal becomes really an affair of state.
: The symbolic of names of newspapers quoted in the body of the article is relevant: Libération, L'Humanité. When I reference the newspaper Die Welt, it is to highlight the character international given to this affair. You do not need to understand the German language to find that it quoted the English title and the name of a newspaper qualified of "tabloid" in its Wikipedia page. This explains the mechanism of the propagation of the rumor by the media. With the abstract that you restored, Wikipedia itself continues to participate to this pseudo-scandal mongering (WP:NOTSCANDAL). It sounds like if her French Wikipedia page referenced some gossip magazines to publish her weight in kg in the Info box, the previous owners of her house (strangely not in London but in ... Paris. What? She lives in Paris!) and if she smokes or not (WP:NOTGOSSIP). Is it encyclopedic? 
: Did you ever switch to another language than English? So you could remove for example the French flag from her Aragonés, Euskara, 中文 and Беларуская Info boxes instead of writing some WP:COOL delicatessens such as your "massive disaster" on 18 April 2012 or "pseudo-poetry" on 19 May 2012 in the revision history.
: In conclusion, I highlight the fact that this affair has been developed intentionally an April Fool's Day so the reader should consider it as a hoax. It is why I prefer to talk about her plays of theatre or her movies. Would you give a chance to another editor to rephrase or simplify this section keeping the spirit of my contribution including the new facts and key references since the goal of Wikipedia is not to propagate hoaxes?
Nimmzo (talk) 18:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy Christ.  You do realize, don't you, that my edit was simply copy-and-pasting from Marianne#Models (a section I did not write and that you have never protested, despite your above list of issues) simply due to it being far more understandable and to-the-point than the content you just restored?  This is an encyclopedic article: exhaustive detail is unnecessary (based on a policy you even cite) and clarity is tantamount.  Just the fact that you can launch into one of the longest talk-page lectures I've ever seen on what basically amounts to a footnote to Casta's career is proof alone of how much undue emphasis is being put on this topic.   Mbinebri  talk ← 19:40, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  As Marianne 

message: In the section "Early life", it mentions Laetitia's sister, Marie-Ange, with a wikilink to the French WP. I don't know what the policy on this is, but surely if we start wikilink to other languages right left and centre we are going to end up with a big mess. I for one, expect that when I click on a wikilink that it takes me to an article in the same language as the page where I am clicking. What would be the point of wikifying things like Maty (entreprise) or Barriga-verde? Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure they count as "policies," but some guidelines are here, and it does seem interlanguage wikilinks are allowed.  In the case of inline links, it recommends some ideas, including leaving the text as a red link but adding an abbreviated interlanguage wikilink in parentheticals immediately following it.   Mbinebri  talk ← 20:37, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to other languages 

message: I'm a little nervous mentioning this, since this page has so many fervent defenders. As far as the part about Marianne goes, there is no mention of how long she was Marianne or even if she ever was actually used as the figure of Marianne. It simply says that she was picked and the choice became controversial (which implies she wasn't actually used as the model). Shouldn't this point be made perfectly clear? Is she still the model for Marianne or has someone else taken her place?__209.179.51.170 (talk) 20:05, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A further note is needed on the topic of Marianne 

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