Talk:Diesel exhaust

message: * It would be nice to see a section in here about (if there are any) remedies to diesel exhaust, such as filters or catalytic converters... 16:10, 20 November 2006 User:68.175.108.132
::I have added a section. Biscuittin (talk) 10:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Remedies?

message: I am interested to know about the global warming potential of DPM. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.170.183.60 (talk) 22:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global warming potential of DPM 

message: I think it's beyond dispute that DPM is generally bad for your health, but it seems to me that instead of an encyclopedic article, this page (which was split from the article on automobile exhaust not too long ago) is all about telling you how horrid DPM is. Barely two sentences is dedicated to describing WHAT it is, non-sensationalist studies about the health impact of DPM is not discussed, negative side effects of efforts to combat DPM (higher fuel prices, more complex equipment and maintenance, even higher fuel consumption in many cases) are given nary a mention.
I will admit to some bias in the other direction, and for that reason I don't think I'm the best choice to revise the article. However, I'll tag it for POV review, and hopefully more experienced Wikipedians will come along and help contribute to a more balanced POV and some more scientific facts. Stian Oksavik 18:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That red stuff on trains is almost entirely brake blocks (cast iron: soft, thick, a major wear item), not wheel tyre or rail. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:20, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environmentalist POV? 

message: This article has serious POV problem. All references are either from a U.S. government source, Department of Labor, or are from US based sources which have the word American as part of the name of the source. How can anyone give full credit to sources from one nation when the use of diesel engines are world wide? 
The list of external sources are also either from U.S. government sources or are case studies published in U.S. media. In addition, none of the assertations are footnoted to specific references or external sources. --TGC55 (talk) 20:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. hatchet job? 

message: * I made this article by assembling matter which was spread (with much duplication) across the pages Exhaust gas and Diesel particulate matter and Diesel fuel and Diesel exhaust air contaminants: see Wikipedia:Content forking. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:12, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: This article

message: A section on occupational exposure is vital due to the serious risks involved in constant heavy exposure. I'm sure it and other sections on health issues can be edited to reduce duplication and conflation of occupational risks compared to those of the general public. User:Fred Bauder Talk 15:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Occupational exposure

message: No one doubts that diesel fumes may have adverse health effects, however, so far the study upon which the carcinogenic claims rest is one involving miners in tightly enclosed areas next to diesel powered machines. That's very different than most exposures people suffer. As well, this whole article is rife with unsourced claims. It's not enough to say – the Germans tell us its bad – you need to have a quotation and a page number. There are a large number of improperly sourced claims in this article, so you can see why several readers think it violates NPV guidelines (I do too).Theonemacduff (talk) 02:19, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and whether I did or didn't, the material is unsourced. So I removed it. You could have too.MartinezMD (talk) 21:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material 

message: I have placed an NPOV maintenance notification on the article, because it's a mess. It seems like a tug-of-war betweeen "DIESEL IS CLEAN" proponents and "DIESEL IS TEH EVIL" proponents has taken place here. I have attempted to clean up the lede, which still contains facts not in the rest of the prose and go unreferenced, which generally come down to "Modern Diesels are like totally clean nowadays!", whenever nowadays might be. I've tried to tone those down. Sources are not always what they should be, especially when making or implying health claims. The entire section chemical components has notes that seem to want to stress, or at least imply, how dangerous diesel exhaust is to the point I'm a little surprised it doesn't contain an entry "water vapor, causes burns, and can lead to drowning when inhaled". I'll do some edits over the next few weeks, but I probably won't be able to fix it all in a period shorter than that. Feel free to help clean up the article. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagged for NPOV 

message: Newby et al.  
http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/eurheartj/ehu458 First published online: 9 December 2014 
Advanced Access:  http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/12/08/eurheartj.ehu458 
Eur Heart J. 2014 Dec 9. pii: ehu458. [Epub ahead of print]
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.133.143 (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New review article includes notes on cardiovascular effects of diesel:   Expert position paper on air pollution and cardiovascular disease 

message: Raanan Raz, Andrea L. Roberts, Kristen Lyall, Jaime E. Hart, Allan C. Just, Francine Laden and Marc G. Weisskopf 
"Autism Spectrum Disorder and Particulate Matter Air Pollution before, during, and after Pregnancy: A Nested Case–Control Analysis within the Nurses’ Health Study II Cohort"  
Environ Health Perspect; DOI:10.1289/ehp.1408133  
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1408133/  
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/advpub/2014/12/ehp.1408133.acco.pdf  
  
Autism risk linked to particulate air pollution
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/18/idUSL1N0U01ZX20141218
NEW YORK Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:01am EST
Reuters 
:There was no association between autism and fine particulate pollution before or early in pregnancy, or after the child was born. But high levels of exposure during the third trimester doubled the risk of autism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.133.143 (talk) 23:55, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mothers exposed to fine particle pollution during the third trimester faced doubled risks that that the child would suffer from autism 

message: Jiang R, Jones MJ, Sava F, Kobor MS and Carlsten C Particle and Fibre Toxicology 2014, 11:71 (9 December 2014) 
Short-term diesel exhaust inhalation in a controlled human crossover study is associated with changes in DNA methylation of circulating mononuclear cells in asthmatics 
http://www.particleandfibretoxicology.com/content/pdf/s12989-014-0071-3.pdf (full free text) 
http://www.biomedsearch.com/nih/Short-term-diesel-exhaust-inhalation/25487561.html
http://www.financialexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/diesel-fumes-can-cause-harm-to-dna-study/28007/ 
http://www.biomedsearch.com/nih/Short-term-diesel-exhaust-inhalation/25487561.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdcntx (talk • contribs) 18:19, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short-term diesel exhaust inhalation caused changes in DNA in a controlled human crossover study - {{PMID|25487561}} 

message: Conspicuously missing from the chart and this article is carbon monoxide (carbon dioxide too), how it compares to gasoline engines, i.e, you can't commit suicide with diesel exhaust and the engines are safe for that reason in underground mines. Many people think that because diesels smell bad and put out black smoke that they are worse polluters, emit more greenhouse gas than gasoline engines.Raquel Baranow (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The chemical components chart and carbon monoxide and greenhouse gas 

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message: It would be useful to add quantitative data on emissions and to show tabular comparisons between emissions from diesels with those of gasoline engines. Wcmead3 (talk) 18:22, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  quantitative info and comparisons 

message: I was surprised when I noticed that DME was not mentioned in the article because it is a potential diesel fuel and very clean. ––Nikolas Ojala (talk) 01:33, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
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