Talk:Doctor Doom

message: I really doubt that Doom received a degree in African American Studies from Stanford. I think this is a joke for three reasons: 1. The incongruent nature of the statement in the context of the article and Doom's character, 2. The fact that the book cited was supposedly written by Chris Byrne in 1972, a time when Byrne was only writing much smaller name comics, and 3. This is likely a joke on Byrne's tendency to write out of character. I'll delete the statement and the citation for now.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.67.174 (talk) 06:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: African American Studies

message: I believe this is slanted language: "His ruling of the small nation of Latveria provides him with diplomatic immunity, an ingenious plot device never used before in comics". I don't think it's the place of Wikipedia to judge whether a plot device is ingenious or not. 66.189.36.149 01:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Slanted Language

message: It seems likely that Doom was a prototype for Darth Vader. Part of the character's hook is wondering just what he has hidden under that mask. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.113.216.25 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 21 February 2003  (UTC)
:George Lucas has indeed acknowledged the influence of Doom in creating Vader. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Timrollpickering (talk • contribs) 15:29, 10 January 2004  (UTC)
::That certainly seems evident, but it really needs a citation -- preferably a quote from one of the countless articles, interviews and books in which Lucas is quoted. Also, don't forget to sign your posts! - Tenebrae 05:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Darth Vader

message: If Doctor Doom was expelled from college, where did he get his degree? -- Smerdis of Tlön 17:05, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: He doesn't have one. But when the second-strongest sorcerer on Earth, who also happens to command legions of robotic minions and is wearing atomic-powered armour, tells you his name is Doctor Doom, you call him doctor. :) Bryan 05:25, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Most recent appearances skip the "Doctor" part (for instance, "Unthinkable" by Mark Waid). Everyone calls him, or refers to him as "Doom", except for Reed Richards, who calls him "Victor" (they knew each other in college). He was called "Doctor Doom" in the 60s because Stan Lee loved alliterations (Peter Parker, Reed Richards, Susan Storm, Matt Murdock, Bruce Banner), not because it made any sense. :) Dehumanizer 22:36, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Doctor'?

message: RE: his use of scientific and magical genius for evil, his eerie name, and his penchant for speaking in a melodramatic manner — have often been copied and parodied.
Actually, this stuff was around and being copied and parodied for years and years before Doom. Fu Manchu, Ming the Merciless, Sherlock Holmes' nemesis Moriarty ... this list goes on. As do the villains! :-) - Tenebrae 05:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK he's in hell atm XSpaceyx 18:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Last time he was seen in the normal Fantastic Four ongoing, it ended with him being in Hell for failing to live up to his deal with some demons, or slighting them, or failing them or something. However, I heard that Doom (the real thing, not yet another Doom-bot) recently killed off Squirrel Girl, but from reading the Wiki article I obviously wasn't listening too closely when my friend told me that, or he was wrong. Satan's Rubber Duck 11:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well this article isn't so updated.. 193.13.57.88 12:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  On the other hand, having the article updated to the current issue is going to spoil anyone looking for a little bit of background info on a character they may have never met before. Satan's Rubber Duck 17:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Characteristics

message: Anyone know how many times he has actually aquired the power cosmic or any other cosmic power for that matter? So far I can only remember twice, Galactus and Beyonder.
:He's also taken it from the Silver Surfer. Dr Archeville 18:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's stolen power from Uatu the Watcher before, and IIRC, also Terrax at least once. --Metaphysician
Doom is currently in hell.  Even so he has allied Latveria with the nation of Wakanda in a battle against the coming globalization imposed by the Super Human Registration Act in the United States.  Wakanda is ruled by The Black Panther and his new Wife Storm AKA Ororo Monroe.  cyph mon may5  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.241.207 (talk) 20:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power cosmic? 

message: I seem to recall hearing Dr Doom is from Latvia. Am I just nuts?
:Latveria, a fictionalized Eastern European nation based on, among others, Latvia. --Rocketgoat 06:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Would it be in Wikipedia's purview to make a page listing & describing all the 100+ gadgets Dr. Doom has used in his decades of comic life? There are pages for Captain America's shield and Thor's hamme Mjolnir (and I'm working on one for the Armors of Iron Man), so it would seem to me that there is some precedent for such an aticle. Dr Archeville 19:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Machines of Doom' Article? 

message: Dr. Doom also figures prominently in the storyline of the comic Runaways, starting in issue 4. Someone want to add this somewhere? I don't think I know enough to be qualified to do it. There are some details on the Ultron page. aubrey 04:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Runaways

message: An anon user moved this to trivia which I subsequently restored to the top of the article. Since the Fox and DC Comics' Dr. Dooms are extremely unlikely to develop their own pages on wikipedia (particularly the DC Comics' Dr. Doom) it seems appropriate that these characters be mentioned up front in the article for anyone who may be searching for whatever information wikipedia may have on the other Dr. Dooms.  Burying it under a trivia section makes them almost not worth mentioning in the article at all, and anyone looking for information on these Dr. Dooms from rival comic publishers will undoubtedly look for them here. The original paragraph including the info on Fox Comics Dr. Doom and Marvel's Dr. Droom have been there for a long time, but I recently added the information on DC Comics' Dr. Doom after digging up my old copy of Detective Comics #158. My conjecture is that DC kept their Dr. Doom obscure so as to avoid a copyright fight with Marvel. What do others think about where this information about other Dr. Dooms should be placed?-- Cardinal Newman  05:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Dooms from other Fox Comics and DC Comics 

message: The publication history of the character needs to be filled out, and also a mention of doombots would be nice. I don't know enough about Dr. Doom to be much help with this. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 22:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hunh?  In his info box it says his first appearance was July 1962, well before the Civil War story arc. --Dr Archeville 21:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Dr. Doom exist before Civil War? 

message: I think I remember he was a black woman in the mangaverse, the sister to the black panther or something like that, but I can't remember well. Anyone willing to fill? --SidiLemine 13:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Mangaverse]]

message: Doctor Doom once used the third Invincible Man as an alias. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.136.11.242 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 8 November 2006  (UTC)
:Can you cite this? When and where did he use this alias? --GentlemanGhost 04:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alias

message: Since Eddie Dean came from 1987, how would he know about Harry Potter?  speaking of which, do we need two references to Dark Tower?  they should be merged, or the inferior one removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.11.242 (talk) 04:27, 8 January 2007
:Thanks for catching these. I removed one of the Dark Tower references (it was in the wrong section anyway). Also the bit about Harry Potter and lightsabers has nothing to do with Dr. Doom, so I excised it from the article altogether. --GentlemanGhost 04:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephen King references

message: The article states that Doom is next in line for the title of Sorcerer Supreme.  However, other than the Unthinkable story line in which his magical powers were supplemented, Doom has never shown magical abilities that would put him ahead of the likes of Baron Mordo, Morgan Le Fey, Hellstorm, or Doctor Druid (not an exhaustive list).  And even in the Unthinkable story line it is made clear that without the demon's granting him additional power that his abilities were quite limited.
The closest that I'm aware of Doom being listed as number two are in the Doctor Doom/Strange graphic novel where Doom came in second in a magical contest.  However, Doom and Strange were the only notables entered in that contest.Gethe 02:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magical Power Level 

message: Don't delete comments you don't agree with. It's against wikipedia policy. Thanks. 72.144.71.193 04:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't violate policy 

message: I'm sure they have at some point, but has his face ever been clearly shown in 616 continuity? If so, that might be a good panel/page to track down and put on the article, his supposed disfigurement is a fairly large part of his character.
No, it is tradition that it has not been clearly shown.
Hey, I'm kinda sure his face was visible in Secret Wars (though it had been cured, or summfin').    Marvelrulez 20:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, his face has been shown unscarred (such as in Secret Wars, yes). These events were later undone by the Beyonder, including his unscarring. Doom's pride will never allow his scarred face to be shown, and as someone else said above, it has been a long-standing tradition to not reveal it. The closest that I have ever come to see his scarred face being revealed was in Books of Doom, but it was revealed in that same page that it was a doombot. -- Trakx 11:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Face? 

message: The Punisher met Doctor Doom in one of his really dorktastic issues of his own series. If that made sense.
Also, the Punisher killed Doom on panel in 'Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe'.
And the current bit about Doom killing the orchestra that failed to play the Minute Waltz in a minute...even it's ever found what issue this happened in, should this really be part of the article anyway? The 'real' Doom has an appreciation for the arts and would know exactly how long the Minute Waltz would last.
Lots42 23:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. While an interesting bit of trivia, to the casual reader looking up information on Doom it would paint the wrong picture. I'm not sure of what comic or issue this happened in, but it isn't a defining moment, but merely a passing whim of an idea the writer had that he thought would show Doom to not only be classy, but dangerous. -- Trakx 11:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minute Waltz? 

message: While it's acknowledged that Doom has diplomatic immunity when he travels abroad, is it really something that should be listed under 'abilties'? Should something like that really be considered a 'super power'?
Lord Shaz 20:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it should be at least noted (JoeLoeb (talk) 03:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immunity? 

message: If I remeber correctly Doom played a major role in the heroes reborn universe. He was the reason that the heroes could beat Galactacus because he would see their mistakes in each of their attempts to stop him, then he used those seperate ideas to finally stop The big G. The story is found in issue 12 of each series in the heroes reborn universe. Thank you so much for listening. GL135
:Why not enter the relevant information yourself? I have not actually read any Doom HR universe appereances. Lots42 07:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a reason that his role in the heroes reborn universe was not used? 

message: ???
Mephisto did not cause the accident that scarred Doom and made him hate Reed. Doom's own arrogance did this.
Lots42 07:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This had been the long standing story, yes, but it was further explained in Books of Doom by Ed Brubaker. In short, the famous experiment was not a complete disaster: Doom did astral travel to Mephisto's Realm. While there, Mephisto defeated Doom from saving his mother, but told him that once a year he may try again. In Mephisto's Realm, Doom was then scarred by Mephisto, and in the real world Doom's machine exploded. In the end, and not to contradict myself, but it may have been one or the other or both that caused the scar. - Trakx 11:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mephisto? 

message: This is a pain to read. I'm a little drowsy I'll grant, but some of these sentences in the article make my head hurt.
Agreed. Example- "But he had his revenge to Magneto's cruel acts, because when the rebellion against him started, Doom helped him aimless, and quickly escaped, disappearing (perhaps to rescue his mother), leaving King Magnus alone to face a shamefully defeat by the Scarlett Witch's hands." I'm going to attempt some cleanup. --Citizen Sykes 21:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar

message: This article is too long and needs to be shortened. I propose creating an article to move his 'Other versions' section to, like Captain America, Spider-Man, Wolverine, etc. have. Anyone disagree? Anyone with other ideas on how to shorten the article? -Freak104 17:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created the Alternate versions of Doctor Doom page to help shorten this article, but it's still too long. Freak104 03:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ways to shorten the article

message: One paragraph says "He knocks out all the guards guarding the board and kills General Hager". But then the next paragraph says ".... ...he attaches himself to the surfboard and goes on a rampage throughout the Earth,disintegrating and killing General Hager in the process. ".
This is confusing, as it seems like General Hager died twice. Can someone who saw the movie clear this up? 68.199.241.212 02:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rise of the Silver Surfer

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Doom1994.png

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message: The article cites a few references (like Wizard magazine putting him as number 4 villian etc.) but under the references entry there is only a link to an extremly crappy made fansite? Aetherfukz 18:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where have the references gone? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Doctor-doom-mf.jpg

message: Shouldn't that section have some references as opposed to "in [story arc/comic/etc.], Doom did.." ? I'd add them myself, but I haven't kept up with Marvel comics in a long, long time. Th 2005 (talk) 12:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted the section.  It was original research, personal intepretation of the comics rather than analysis by a reliable source.    Paul  730 15:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: David Fuchs and I dumped this personality/honour stuff ages ago, because we know different writers interpret Doom differently over the years. As the publication history shows, Mark Waid certainly didn't think of Doom as honourable. Alientraveller (talk) 22:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Doom's honor

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I usually don't like to fail an article right off the bat. However, after reading this article, it obviously has some problems with keeping out-of-universe perspective. The lead, "Fictional character biography" and "Powers and abilities"  sections all need rewriting to keep it "out of universe".  WP:WAF states clearly: "The principal frame of reference is always the real world, in which both the work of fiction and its publication are embedded: write from a real-world perspective." (emphasis not mine)
There are major edits that need to be done, and I think it would be best to rewrite the aforementioned sections to avoid referring to the character as if he was real. Then come back and re-nominate.
I know there are several comic book characters that are FAs (Batman and Captain Marvel are two, I believe), and it's always a good idea to look at other articles that have already succeeded.
If you have any questions, please leave a note on my talk page. I wish you the best of luck in improving this article, and I hope I see this article nominated again sometime (after much improvement). Noble Story (talk) 13:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: I still think we should have a page for his biography like Spider-Man and Wolverine have their own biography page. Rtkat3 (talk) 6:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Doctor Doom's Biography

message: This picture of Doctor Doom really suck, post a better one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  worst doom image ever! 

message: Doom 2099 was not created by Robert Kirkman, but John Francis Moore.  The link points to an article about a much later 2099 project named after the original.  68.9.104.156 (talk) 00:31, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: can you provide some citation for that? If so, please change it, adding in the citation with your edit. Thanks. ThuranX (talk) 00:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doom 2009 

message: the Cultural Impact section really reads as a critical reception comment. I think it should be merged into the publication history, which describes some of the creative teams and their efforts and intents. If we show those, it makes sense to show the results of the same in the same place. ThuranX (talk) 04:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  revisions 

message: I like this article, but I would like it even better if it highlighted some of Doc's most famous bombastic quotes… "Fools! You have sealed your fate, etc." (not an actual quote, just what my memory tells me he sounded like.)--Goodmorningworld (talk) 13:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't do quote lists here, for a few good reasons: We'd need a WP:RS to support that each and every statement was truly famous. We couldn't use it as 'just memorable to that writer', but we'd need actual fame. famous peoples' favorite XYZs aren't usually notable, or articles on colors would be ridiculously stupid and long lists. We also can't because there would be a lot of edit warring and fighting about which quotes go in, what the threshold for determining 'famous' is, and whether one source's assertion rises to the level of another quote's, in effect getting arguments about which editors favorite quote is more famous based on different citations. We would get more and more quotes, often tagged as citation needed, to avoid being immediately removed, and it would be a wedge for including other forms of trivial information. If a character's way of speaking in general is unusual, like Thor, for example, then finding sources about that would probably be more notable, because we could talk about how the creative team portrays the character. Doom, however, is pretty much just about his own hubris and arrogance, which are fairly typical of comic book villians. ThuranX (talk) 17:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. That kind of stuff is really suited for Wikiquote, though, not here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous quotes? 

message: Removed the addition to his powers related to blocking telepaths and realizing others were arriving or there without seeing them. This is merely an extension of his technology, mystical training and willpower and nothing special that we haven't witnessed before. Also, it's Osborn, not Osborne. 86.32.134.96 (talk) 13:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powers 

message: I included Doom in the category Characters who have mental powers because he has the mental power that allows him to transfer his mind to another being.201.29.146.156 (talk) 13:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No. He may have a magical spell that let him do that for a given story, but it's not an inherent power; otherwise, we'd see him using it much more often. ThuranX (talk) 21:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mental power

message: An IP has been trying to add :Category:Fictional characters who have mental powers to the article. He has insisted, on my talk page, that I need to disprove his assertion, otherwise, he'll continue to edit war. This power is in no way supported by the article, nor can he provide citations, beyond 'that issue i remember from Brazil long ago'. I have asked repeatedly for citations, issue number, comic book series in which it occurs, anything .he's provided nothing. I will accept the category if we can get secondary sources on this, but I haven't found any yet. I've requested page protection, as well. This is getting absurd. A half-remembered comic book memory is not sufficient grounds for adding to the article. ThuranX (talk) 00:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the villain behind these lies wants to show something. Forgive my delay. Everybody can see here that I've been editing the true. The Official biography of Dr. Doom, section Powers, says He can exchange mind with others, and at the section New Power, Gained and Lost ...Doom transferred his mind into the body of an onlooker, Norman McArthur, an instant before his death. You wrote above that maybe he had transferred his mind through magic powers, but you can read there he used the ability he learned from Ovoid.200.191.197.21 (talk) 03:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's another Wiki, so it's NOT a WP:RS. Pleasae find one before adding the material. ThuranX (talk) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But the information was accepted by the official site. Even if the page become protected, i'll log in and revert your editions a billion of times. That's all I have to say.200.191.197.21 (talk) 04:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the information was not 'accepted' by the official site. That's a website running the same wiki-engine software that we use here, and runs on the same anyone can edit model. Therefore, we cannot use it, per the Reliable Sources link I just gave you. Anyways, good luck with that threat to keep logging in and editing - the page has been semi-protected, and will be reverted just as often if you do get an account, which will be blocked, should you edit war more. ThuranX (talk) 11:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Thank you for wishing me luck, good friend! Yes I'm this user and I'm not afraid of you or to be blocked.Brazilian Man (talk) 13:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP edits regarding his mental powers. 

message: There's no details about Doom's fight (along with several Marvel's heroes) against Onslaught at the article.Brazilian Man (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Onslaught battle

message: This is parsing hairs, and I may be off, but I I believe that box image of Doom, is actually Kristoff Vernard (which is revealed in the following issue). -Sharp962 (talk) 18:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box image 

message: (If you are "You Know Who", I'd love to prevent you from editing this section, but unfortunately I'm not at my talk page. But please try to keep yourself as far as you can from it anyway.)
I noticed that Doom's article is within Silver Surfer template, as a secondary enemy. If that's so, he can be considered an Iron Man's secondary enemy also, because he fought Iron Man several times, much more than he did against other Marvel Heroes like Spider-Man, Hulk or X-Men. I'd like to know if I am "authorized" to put his article at Iron Man's template.Brazilian Man (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Silver Surfer's secondary villain

message: While I agree that the previous state of the character history section was way out of hand, I believe the article may have been edited too much. For example, the article currently--in regards to Doom's history--stops at 2006, ignoring the last 3 years of the characters depictions and character development. Significant things to the Marvel Universe as a whole (such as Doom joining Osborn's Cabal) should be mentioned.
I fear DCincarnate may have been too overzealous in his cuts (and major cuts should really be discussed first on the talk page). I can only guess in an effort to bring the article up to good article level as the GA Review earlier on this page indicates. However, it should be noted that the review said to rewrite those sections, not remove them completely. While I appreciate DCincarnate's attempts to improve the article, he seems to removing information solely because he feels it's irrelevant without discussing such major edits with the community first.
24.190.34.219 (talk) 05:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Edits 

message: He also genuinely cares for his people of Latveria, who in turn are devoted to their leader; returning to Latveria after being temporarily deposed...
I'd like to say that Doom actually doesn't care about the latverians (though they think he does) or his henchmen, because the punishment for his men's failures is death, as you can see here and here.Brazilian Man (talk) 17:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think he does, he just happens to like power more. :) p.s. Why does the Unthinkable story arc have such a significant portion of the article? This arc was not very popular and is not commonly thought of as an accurate characteristation of the good Doctor. --194.106.137.50 (talk) 13:08, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Section 1980s-1990s

message: The article on Powered exoskeletons states that Dr. Doom uses one.  I don't think this is correct, at least not in the same definition of a power suit as one like Iron Man or of The Centurions.
I'd just assumed he was horribly disfigured, had metalic skin, and super power, but not that he was wearing it (as augmentation would then be classified in the realm of being a cyborg...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.29.23 (talk) 04:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: His is powered by magic.  The monks helped make it for him.  Dream Focus 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Power Suit/Armor?

message: Doom had a Doom cycle .  Should we link to pictures of the toys in the article where they are mentioned?  I search the official Marvel website and can't find them mentioned there, but there are pictures of them elsewhere.  Dream Focus 04:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doom Toys really do exist! 

message: ... is not part of the regular 616-continuity. The references in the canon character history should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.113.233.79 (talk) 16:08, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Doom and the Masters of Evil 

message: :Not really sure what Philg88 was thinking here, but I'm starting a copyedit as discussed with the requester, Jhenderson777.  Maybe in a collaborative effort we can address whatever other issues Philg88 was concerned about.  Regards Peter S Strempel | Talk  04:15, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit request 

message: Given that the title of the page is Doctor Doom, should the opening read -
:Doctor Doom, also known as Victor von Doom
Leave it to you, Jhenderson777.
Also in the precis (lede, lead, intro, summary) is the word archenemy, which I split into arch enemy, that being the conventional formulation.  An equally valid alternative would be arch-enemy, but I opted for the former for simplicity's sake.  Regards Peter S Strempel | Talk  04:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The title 

message: Jhenderson 777, In dealing with the sections from History and development onwards, I sometimes found it difficult to follow the prose, which assumes a level of understanding about comic book genre that, perhaps, shouldn't be assumed.  In addition, I was sometimes lost in the narrative itself.  For that reason, and the possible reasons for Philg88's clarification template, rather than attempting a piecemeal edit the way I normally do, I propose a more fundamental re-write for readability and concision.  That proposal follows.  If you don't like it, or I got it wrong, or you want to change it, please do so.  I won't make any changes to the relevant section(s) unless and until you agree they are warranted or desirable.  The first proposed re-write is the section Creation and development —
:Like many of Marvel's characters from the mid 1950s to the early 1970s, known as the Silver Age of comic books, Doctor Doom was conceived by writer Stan Lee and artist Jack Kirby as a nemesis for the popular Fantastic Four title.  Lee wrote that he and Kirby were trying to dream up a "soul-stirring…super sensational new villain."[3] In considering a name, Lee latched onto "Doctor Doom" as "eloquent in its simplicity — magnificent in its implied menace."[3]
:Because of deadline pressures on the creative team, the character was not given a full origin story in his debut,[3] but Fantastic Four leader Reed Richards mentions that Doom scarred his face during an attempt to contact the Netherworld at Richards' university, for which Doom was expelled.  Richards suggests that Doom was last heard of searching Tibet for magical secrets.  Two years later, in the Fantastic Four Annual #2,[4] Lee established Doom as the son of gypsies, born decades ago in Latveria when it was ruled by an unnamed nobleman called 'the Baron'. Doom's father tried to hide from him the fact that his mother was a witch, but Doom finds her occult instruments after his father dies from exposure after hiding from the Baron's men, who are hunting him for failing to cure the Baron's wife from a mortal illness.  Doom swears revenge for his father's death, grows into a brilliant and headstrong man, is offered a place at the Empire State University[5], and is thus transported into the orbit of Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four.  At the university Richards warns Doom about conducting dangerous experiments to contact the dead but Doom ignores him and causes the explosion that scars his face and leads to his expulsion.  During travels in Tibet he is found by monks who teach him their disciplines and make him their master.  In this Tibetan exile Doom fashions his trademark armor, and the mask only he can remove.[5]
:Jack Kirby modelled Doom after the Grim Reaper representation of Death, with the armor signifying the skeleton: "It was the reason for the armor and the hood. Death is connected with armor and the inhuman-like steel (Vibranium-on level with Adamantium-caps shield is only other Vibranium in marvel universe). Death is something without mercy, and human flesh contains that mercy."[6] Kirby described Doom as being "paranoid", tortured by his twisted face and wanting to re-fashion the the whole world in his image.[6] Kirby went on to say that "Doom is an evil person, but he's not always been evil. He was [respected]... but but through a flaw in his own character, he was a perfectionist."[7] At one point in the 1970s Kirby drew his impression of what Doom would look like under the mask, giving Doom only "a tiny scar on his cheek."[8] Due to this slight imperfection, Doom hides his face not from the world, but from himself.[8] According to Kirby, this is the motivation for Doom's vengefulness against the world.[7] Typical of Lee's written characterization of Doom is his arrogance and pride, which lead to Doom's disfigurement by his own machine, and to the failures of many of his schemes.[9]
:Despite the fact that the Fantastic Four fought various villains repeatedly, such as the Mole Man, Skrulls, the Miracle Man, and Namor the Sub-Mariner, Doctor Doom developed into their arch nemesis.[10]
:During the 1970s, Doom branched out to more Marvel titles, with a battle between Doom and Prince Rudolfo over control of Latveria being featured in Astonishing Tales.[11] Doom also attempts to use the Hulk as his slave during two issues of The Incredible Hulk.[12] He made several appearances in the story arcs of Super-Villain Team-Up, starting in 1975, as well as appearances in Marvel Team-Up, beginning with issue #42 (February 1976). During that time, Doom's origin was further fleshed out to give him a childhood companion, Valeria, and it was revealed that his mother, Cynthia von Doom, had sold her soul to Mephisto (the Devil).[13]
Over to you Jhenderson777.  Regards Peter S Strempel | Talk  05:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: During the 1970s, Doom was featured in other Marvel titles such as Astonishing Tales, where he and Prince Rudolfo fought for control over Latveria [11] and 2 issues of The Incredible Hulk, where he attempts to enslave the Hulk. Doom  also featured in Super-Villain Team-up (1975) and Marvel Team-up from issue #42 (February 1976). During that time, Doom's background was further developed with the addition of a childhood companion, Valeria, and the revelation that his mother, Cynthia von Doom had sold her soul to Mephisto (the Devil). [13]
Just my two cents. --Blackmane (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creation and development section copy edit proposal 

message: In a 1960's animated version of Spiderman the Main villian was Dr Doom-who in the last episode is destroyed by his own Doom Ray!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.72.154 (talk) 13:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr Doom's Doom

message: I'm going to start rigorously going through this article and address
a) The rambling, tag-on sentences that got this tagged as "in-universe"
b) Odd grammar
c) Opinions and perceptions disguised as factual information
For C, I will attempt to add missing citations, but will cut things for which I have no appropriate reference. Please do not take this personally; I welcome additional information with proper citations.
For A, I must stress to other contributors that this is at least pretends to be an encyclopedic entry, so if you must add fun facts about our favorite ironclad tyrant, I ask that you consider whether or not they provide necessary information, or at least think about putting them a new section.
I look forward to working with everyone and bringing the reign of the great Victor von Doom to this pitiful internet encyclopedia.
FACE7 (talk) 03:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweeping Changes A.K.A. None Shall Escape the Scrutiny of DOOM! 

message: Why does it say in the first line that Latveria is in Los Angeles? That doesn't make any sense but is that true?
And I can't find anything, anywhere else on the internet that says his name is "Doctor Doom not of Latveria," so where is the evidence that the "not of Latveria" is part of his name? ...because it's confusing. Also, "Latveria" is linked at least four times in the first paragraph... I don't think it's supposed to be done that way.
Iminrainbows (talk) 22:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Latveria

message: I realize the character has been around forever and a day, but a comprehensive list of his appearances would increase the usefulness of this entry immensely.  Someone should get one started.  It would be a great help in getting cross-referencing underway too. Thetrellan (talk) 01:57, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  can we have a list of appearances please? 

message: The infobox image of Doctor Doom, aside from appearing with cluttered foreground and background, is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article in that he is presented out of proportion and appears to be a giant. It's a dramatic image, but we're not supposed to use images decoratively. Rather, we have to use them educationally. We could say "shown symbolically as a giant" in the caption, but that misses the point — which is that we need a plain, informative image of him. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:39, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox image

message: Substituted at 13:34, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Granted, Doom has had a long career in the comics, but so have Batman and Spider-Man, and their fictional bios are nowhere near as long. This needs a desperate trim to weed out insanely overdetailed, sometimes panel-by-panel plot descriptions. I'm glad to talk tackle it, but it's a big job and I'm hoping some of my fellow WPC editors can help. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional character biography

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Victor Von Doom has been a heroic character since the events of 2015's Secret Wars, becoming a superhero himself following the events of 2016's Civil War II. Therefore, I believe the most appropriate image to use on the main page is the following image:
Victor Von Doom is the third character to take on the mantle of Iron Man, following Tony Stark and James Rhodes (Riri Williams is Ironheart, nor Iron Man). This image portrays the look of both the classic villainous version of Doom and the newer post-Secret Wars heroic version of Doom. Does anybody have any reasons that this image is not suited for this article?
Impending_IP (talk) 18:43, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not as a lead image but it could probably fit in the body. I recommend commentary though. Also free use images don't belong on the talk pages though. Jhenderson 777 19:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Neutral Image 

message: This page should be renamed Victor Von Doom.
The reason for this?
As revealed in the pages of Infamous Iron Man, Victor is no longer known as "Doctor Doom", and doesn't refer to himself as such.
Proof:
Impending_IP (talk) 23:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename Page 

message: User:Impending IP, also editing as 86.43.187.228, continues to edit-war to reinsert inappropriate edits that at least two editors have reverted over the past few days. He appears to be slow-motion edit-warring in a transparent attempt to avoid WP:3RR, and if he reverts once more, I will report him for 3RR and explain the slow-motion circumstances. He has been warned on his talk page and has decided to take a contentious attitude and refuses to discuss the issue on this talk page. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:51, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit warring sockpuppet

message: The infobox image violates many of the guidelines, which specify a clean, clear image of the character's best-known look, with no distracting background. Before replacing the image, I'd like other editors to weigh in. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:09, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox image

message: "in his constant battles with heroes and other villains, Doctor Doom has appeared more times than any other character" - this suggests that Doom has appeared in more total issues than any other Marvel character; there is no way this can be true.  Doom cannot possibly have appeared in more comics than Spider-Man, who at one time was appearing in four series every single month as well as guest spots, etc -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character with most appearances 

message: One or more images currently used in this article have been nominated for deletion as violations of the non-free content criteria (NFCC). 
You can read more about what this means and why these files are being nominated for deletion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Image deletion nominations for NFCC 8 and 3a.
You can participate at the deletion discussion(s) at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 April 27. If you are not familiar with NFCC-related deletion discussions, I recommend reading the post linked above first.
Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 01:30, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Image deletion nomination(s)

message: Both this and Cynthia Von Doom's page refer to Empire State University as the university Doctor Doom attended (before being expelled). Other sources, however, clarify that it's in fact a separate university: State University, in Hegeman.
Are there any definitive sources showing which is correct?
Or, is it that at the time of the character's conception, or throughout its publication history, the details have simply changes / been ambiguous? Rovack (talk) 21:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alma mater 

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