Talk:APEC Australia 2007

message: There should most certainly be a section on criticisms about the event. This is a major event and possibly one of the biggest australian protests of the year. If you remove the section as opposed to simply editing it please some admin out there replace it. The added section is very important and given the magnitude of APEC as one of the biggest political events of the decade it deserves a section criticising it. 60.241.213.129 04:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeh. I agree. --DandanxD 14:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Added some criticism from a more centrist view; ie, that it's a massive waste of money and hugely intrusive, in peoples lives and the local economy, for what is essentially just a luxury photo op. Hope that helps :). 203.59.80.62 14:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes I am very aware of that- and as you can read from my previous post, I was specifically talking about the Korean head of state.--DandanxD 13:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticisms

message: Exactly what value are photographs of a loudspeaker, George Bush's car or the skyline of Perth?  How do they serve this article?  We are probably going to need no more than two or three pics to give enough information - say the Sydney skyline, the photo ops and maybe a protest photo if it is noteworthy.  Kransky 10:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. They make the article look like a photo essay. Many of photos are interesting though, though I'm not sure where they belong. --Nick Dowling 23:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the generic photos of APEC-related places and aircraft but have left the photos of the security arrangements in Sydney as these seem relevant. --Nick Dowling 00:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm also going to have to question why we have a picture of a loudspeaker, seem somewhat superfluous really. Tonerman 06:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: kill the photos

message: Should this be mentioned: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2007/s2021342.htm ? 58.7.122.24 06:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rocket launchers 

message: This article will need to be edited as soon as it is no longer a current event, by wchih i refer to only small, tense-related edits. I agree that there are too many photos - the picture of traffic could perhaps be used, as it illustrates the effect of security on the CBD. However, I feel that some of the other photos are somewhat ridiculous. The photograph of a minute helicopter in the sky does not seem appropriate as per WP:Images (3.1). This article will need WP:CUcleanup following the event.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamessugrono (talk • contribs) 14:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few thoughts 

message: Is it worth mentioning that the PoTUS made a quick (and seemingly secret) trip to St Ives on Sydney's north shore for a spot of mountain-bike riding on September 5th after his visit to Kirribilli House? Anyone know how he got there and back? 
Reference: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/06/2025392.htm
Mention should also be made that the trip to Kirribilli was made across the harbour from Man-o-War Steps (Opera House) rather than via the Harbour Bridge as Dick Cheney did a when he was in town.  ChrisB 00:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how either is really notable - and they certainly don't have much to do with the conference. In about a week's time I doubt that many people will be interested about Bush's every move in Australia. --Nick Dowling 06:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I would agree with you entirely on this point if this hadn't occurred. Unfortunately, when the US President makes a complete idiot of himself, people tend to notice. =\ Narco 09:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how Bush saying dumb things is notable either - it's not like it's unusual. I've removed the whole section as it seems to be basically trivia and is inconsistant with the lack of attention paid to the other leaders. The photo is probably a copyright violation as well. --Nick Dowling 10:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree that it's not worth at least mentioning (I can guarantee you someone is going to re-add it when The Daily Show and/or The Colbert Report have their say), but it's not important enough to matter. Bill Maher's bit is definitely unnecessary, which is why my edit summary was "i couldn't resist". Narco 12:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  President Bush's side trip 

message: Holy crap this is biased Gmip 07:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like it was copied and pasted from a green group's media release --Nick Dowling 07:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Which is why I deleted it. That's not to say any of the information was untrue, or the opinion behind it was invalid - but a referenced/cited statement saying that 'some groups opposed such-and-such' in the appropriate section is what belongs there. timgraham 08:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sydney Distraction 

message: I'm surprised there's virtually no mention of the fence that was constructed for the event. News of it (the "Great Wall of Sydney" or "Rabble-Proof Fence") reached the UK.--86.149.54.206 11:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fence

message: After all that effort and cost - that is it ? -- Beardo 14:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: APEC is, in a way, not really supposed to anything. This probably won't satisfy many people and some will want it gone, but the whole point is having a meeting at all. APEC has far more population and far larger economy than any other such meeting (with addition of India and Pakistan, there won't be any chance of anything larger), so it essentially is more similar to an UN general assembly than anything else and we all know how smoothly things are decided there. There's far more trouble to change to be a decision making body and far more trouble to scrap it all together. --Revth 09:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major decisions 

message: I was quite shocked that this doesn't get a mention anywhere in the article;
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=171769&version=1&template_id=39&parent_id=21
can I pop a line or two in there somewhere? LookingYourBest 14:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Light Aircraft, Jets and flares

message: There appears to be little information in the article about the outcomes of the meeting, or what was actually done in the meeting. Does anyone actuall know what went on, or is information about this lacking. The article seems to skirt around the function and content of the meetings. 16:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information on what was covered at APEC 

message: This picture covers more of the leaders of the APEC summit as well as make King George look even more foolish. - Throw 13:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Better picture

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