Talk:Irish Republican Army (1919–1922)

message: As time permits I am attempting to clean the references up without changing content. Anough for today. Juan Riley (talk) 01:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: References inline and otherwise

message: Since the parenthetical statement at lead indicates that this about organization that fought in the Easter rebellion and the Anglo-Irish war..should not the info box date be 1916-1922? Juan Riley (talk) 00:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A slight misreading Juan, the IRB and Irish Volunteers, the precossors faught in the Easter Rising ("It was descended from the Irish Volunteers, an organisation established on 25 November 1913 that staged the Easter Rising in April 1916" in the lead). In the section "Emergence of the IRA after the Easter Rising", it states "first steps towards reorganising the defeated Irish Volunteers were taken on 27 October 1917 when a convention took place in Dublin". A point being, you could put forward 1919 either as the army of the Irish Republic and the first Dail. Murry1975 (talk) 00:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I do understand all the subtleties..however the article starts off with :This article is about the historical organisation that fought in the Easter Rising of 1916 and the Irish War of Independence of 1919–21. Juan Riley (talk) 01:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good spot, removed inaccuaracy. Murry1975 (talk) 01:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

text: If consistently followed in article...I now agree with..say 1919? Juan Riley (talk) 01:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Give me a couple of days and I should be able to come up with the goods. Sound? Murry1975 (talk) 01:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. Juan Riley (talk) 01:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates and leading caveats

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: Move. We have clear consensus that this article (the pre-1922 IRA) is not the PRIMARYTOPIC of the term, and that the base name should be a WP:CONCEPTDAB for all IRA articles. There is some question as to whether Irish Republican Army (1917–22) is the best way to disambiguate the article, so if a better solution is identified, a new RM discussion can be opened without prejudice. Cúchullain t/c 15:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
In trying to sort out incoming links, it isn't always obvious which links should go to Irish Republican Army (1917–22) and which should stay at the concept disambiguation Irish Republican Army. Unfortunately, readers better versed in the nuances than I am will have to take on that task.--Cúchullain t/c 15:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 6 April 2015

message: The bulk of two sections of this article properly belonged in the Irish Volunteers article, as they dealt in depth with developments in the Volunteers before they became known as the IRA. I have moved the content to there as a straight cut-and-paste, replacing it with a summary section in this article.  Scolaire (talk) 13:21, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut-and-paste 

message: I missed the recent edit war between  and . What I find extraordinary is that both parties used angry edit summaries saying "take it to talk", yet neither made any attempt to discuss the edits on the talk page. Does either of you know what "take it to talk" means? For what it's worth, the IRA was the Irish Volunteers, and the two names were used interchangeably throughout the revolutionary period. They were even referred to as the Volunteers in the Treaty debates, and in anti-Treaty literature during the Civil War. For that reason, I am reverting to Alfie Gandon's edit, but I advise both of you to make proper use of talk pages in future, and to seek opinions from third parties if you can't reach agreement.  Scolaire (talk) 13:00, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry but personal editor opinions dont matter. All cited sources say the IRA was founded in 1919. The IRA (as referred to during the rising) referred to something different.Apollo The Logician (talk) 16:11, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: All the cited sources? Which ones are they? Encyclopaedia Britannica? Here, here, here, here and here are just five random books thrown up by a Google Books search, and they all say what every serious student of the period knows: that the Irish Volunteers became known as the IRA during the war of Independence. That's why I suggested you use the talk page instead of edit-warring based on your own "personal editor opinions".  Scolaire (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit war 

message: (Because of Shortages) Perhaps  a citation is required. I find it hard to believe in the immediate aftermath of World War 1 with hundreds of thousands of men demobbeed and the expected continuation of the war into 1919 keeping production running right up to armistice day, the war department would  have enough uniforms to last into the 1930's. In basic training in 1976 we were still using the 1938 pattern webbing that was thrown away at Dunkirk. In deployment in Germany we were still using the Bren gun as our company Light Machine guns in support units. It seems more likely to me, that as these personnel were not regular troops but auxiliaries, they were given an appropriately different looking uniform so they weren't confused with the regular Army. 90.248.76.197 (talk) 09:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence is badly phrased, but the explanation is simple. The Black and Tans were not recruited to the army, they were ex-army men recruited to the Royal Irish Constabulary. It was a shortage of RIC uniforms that led to them wearing a mix of dark green RIC and khaki army uniforms. I will try to re-fashion the sentence and add a citation.  Scolaire (talk) 09:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black and Tan uniform