Talk:Glossary of magic (illusion)

message: *Ambitious Card Routine (ACR) - Card effect where a chosen card keeps on returning to the top of the pack.
*Bobo's - Bobo's modern coin magic. 20th C Book reckoned to be one of the most comprehensive on coin magic.
*Classic force - Making a spectator choose a card by fanning them and timing the force card to land under their fingers.
*Classic palm - Holding an object in the centre of the palm, gripped by the palm muscles lightly. (eg. a coin) (redundant with their non-classic counterparts?)
*Effect - A magical happening. The proper word for a trick. Beginners do tricks. Magicians perform effects. Note the word perform. (POV?)
*Invisible deck (brainwave deck) - Gimmicked roughed deck enabling the deck to be fanned and any card to be shown face up/face down.
*Key Ring - Ring with a split in it as used in the linking rings efect.
*OOTW - Out of this World. A popular self working card effect with a stunning finish.
*RRTCM - Royal Road to Card Magic. 20th C book by Jean Hugard often cited as the best text for beginning card magic.
*SAS - Scotch and Soda. Modern effect where a Centavo gimmick is magnetically locked in a shell dollar causing the disappearence of the Centavo.
*Zig Zag - Popular stage illusion where a girl contorts herself in a cabinet giving the illusion she has actually been cut into seperate pieces.
Slicks and Bikes sound like neologisms.
:::  To Quote: "I shall edit as I see fit. Coordinator or not (s)he has no power over me. We're collaborating..." Yes but to collaborate, we need to agree to an extent, otherwise we'll just get into an edit war which will be silly. I can cope with removing the effects and the books, but I do object to the removal of classic force and classic palm. It's not my POV that they are "classic". These are the recognised terms for these particular techniques as I described them. So can we have those back in please or otherwise modified so they are suitable to go in. Also the word "effect" is important. The last 3 sentences can be left out.
:::Angles, Black Art, ROV, Sphinx Principle... Maybe I will edit these entries so they are a little clearer. Hope that will be OK
You may have noticed I'm adding to the list of tricks (effects). I may need to use some or all of these terms --MagicValentina 01:36, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed entries

message: I know these aren't "true" magic tricks; but the three act structure of a magic illusion has become so popular (invented by Christopher Priest; though he may have just invented the "prestige" part) that a lot of magicians even use the terms. So it's pretty much become a real term -- this is how words are made. You don't leave "french fries" out of the dictionary, and ESPECIALLY not out of an encyclopedia, just because fries aren't made by the French. This is how all terms/words start; a lot of times, they originate from an unexpected source.
The three act structure should be included in this article.
Another example would be the three act structure of a screenplay (in motion pictures). The ideas were probably coined by someone who noticed that screenplays tend to have a beginning, middle, and end -- this is the same situation with Priest -- he noticed magic tricks (not always) often times have this three act structure.
Besides; the term/structure/acts have become so popular, you should include them in Wikipedia BECAUSE of that. Notability. 207.12.38.25 23:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like someone to back up that the term "prestige" has "become so popular"......I've read thousands of magic-related articles and I've never seen this three phrase business until I saw that movie (not a bad movie.....but it takes some serious artistic license). Buddpaul (talk) 19:56, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The prestige, turn, pledge... 

message: Should this be moved to tricks?  It's actually a prop, not really a term. Buddpaul (talk) 13:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So.......so long, Chop Cup. Buddpaul (talk) 19:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: and for what it's worth.......the description was gross exposure. Buddpaul (talk) 19:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chop Cup

message: I still say this list is a little crufty. Buddpaul (talk) 19:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cruft