Talk:Limburg (Belgium)

message: This section is almost as long as the special article about that subject; propose to replace its text by just the intro of the History article:
The Belgian province of Limburg in Flanders (Dutch speaking Belgium) is a region which has had many names and border changes over its long recorded history. It's modern name is a name shared with the neighbouring province of the Netherlands, with which it was for a while politically united (under French and then Dutch rule from 1794 until 1839). And in turn both of these provinces received their modern name only in the 19th century, based upon the name of the medieval Duchy of Limburg which was actually based in neighbouring Wallonia, in the town of Limbourg on the Vesdre.
 
For much of its recorded history, most of what is now called Belgian Limburg was known as Loon. Loon was a medieval county, and when the line of the Counts died the area became part of the Prince-Bishopric of Liège but was still often referred to as the "land of Loon" (land van Loon in Dutch). The original capital of medieval Loon is today officially called Borgloon, and the capital of the province is now Hasselt.
In Roman times, Belgian Limburg, and probably also at least parts of the Dutch province and the medieval Duchy, were in the Civitas Tungrorum, which had its capital in Tongeren. 
Limbico (talk) 14:03, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I think I wrote most of both, starting with the one in this article, and then at a certain point I made the History article because the history section here got to big. I think the section must be shorter than the article but indeed some more compression might be called for. If you don't mind, I shall try to peel back to something close to your proposal, but I want to go over it myself and see if there are other things I would propose to leave in. Then tell me what you think.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 07:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Have done some compressing. Personally I have doubts about whether an extreme compression would make the article better. I do not think we need to aim at zero article overlap. Some readers will like to have some history in this article. Anyway, comments welcome.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 08:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe indeed some readers will like to have some history in this article. But very likely many more others visit it to learn about the nowadays situation in this province. For them that much history is very inconvenient. Some history is OK, but not thát much. Just a few lines and for those who like to know more, just one click on the link to the special article will do. I really don't think it's rational to maintain this (also after some compression) very big section, now that there's a not much bigger special article about the relative subject. Efficiency for every visitor has to prevail here over what "some like", I think. Limbico (talk) 02:56, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is not really all that long? See WP:LENGTH. So your concern seems a little exagerrated, and I am not sure convenience of finding current facts is the main aim we should have. We are supposed to be writing descriptive articles, not directories. Consider WP:NOTDIR. In fact, without the history section this article is not really ideal according to WP norms, because it is dominated by lists of things like personalities. I guess some people also like that, and some people don't, but in any case there are actually guidelines about the need to avoid that style.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 11:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
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