Talk:Hasan Salama

message: Interesting. Nothing about his involvement in Operation Atlas in which he and other Nazi operatives were parachuted on the night of November 2nd 1944 near Jericho with the intention of poisoning the drinking waters of Tel-Aviv. The British army caught his associates, but he managed to escape. Avihu 20:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Got any sources? If you do, it'd be appreciated if you add this piece of information. ← ANAS Talk? 10:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only source I know of is the book about his son Ali Hassan Salameh who was involved with the Munich Massacre. The book is "Massacre in Munich: The Manhunt for the Killers Behind the 1972 Olympics Massacre" by Michael Bar Bar-Zohar and Eitan Haber. The affair is described in detail in the Hebrew Wikipedia article :he:מבצע אטלס which include dates and names of those invloved. Avihu 18:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at Operation ATLAS. Avihu (talk) 04:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this good? It's from the WP Operation ATLAS article: The document from the British MI5 archives which covers the details of "Operation Atlas"  פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 09:35, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

text: mostly a bad Piece of jewish anti-german Bullshit, especially these hoax to Poison the Water Supply of TelAviv /jaffa.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.237.50.132 (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operation ATLAS 

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message: (I apologize because it is a basic comment:) The summary page of the National Archives are not wp:rs. We don't know who made this summary. Only the contents are wp:rs and anyway they are primary sources and must be handled with care.
So, I will remove this : "The mission was intended to supply local Palestinian Arab resistance groups with resources and arms, and to direct sabotage activity primarily at Jewish (rather than British) targets."
Given "Jewish (rather than British" is just an usual pov-pushing.
Pluto2012 (talk) 10:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:RS 

message: Whatever else can be said about "independent scholar" Thomas G. Mitchell's book cited here, it isn't reliable for this.  Everything in there comes openly from the book of Bar-Zohar and Haber, which is responsible for the bullshit story about poisoning the Tel-Aviv water supply.  The debunking of that story can be found at Operation Atlas (Mandatory Palestine). Meanwhile, stuff cited to Mitchell is out until it is better cited. Zerotalk 12:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If indeed Mitchell's source is Bar-Zohar, this material is not reliable. Agreed. Pluto2012 (talk) 09:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mitchell gives Bar-Zohar as his only source. Zerotalk 12:37, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thomas G. Mitchell 

message: This is a continuation of the discussion above, and it can stand as a salutary lesson on treatment of dubious sources.  The general rule of operating is: If there is a smell of rat, probably there is a rat around.
Davar of Feb 11, 1948 published a short report of which the following is a loose translation of the main part.  Since I am a complete novice at Hebrew, even with Google's help, there can be mistakes.  Please report them and they can be corrected.
: Hassan Salameh, commander of the Jaffa area, was a member of the German army against Britain in the ranks of Rommel's desert army — as reported in the newspaper Le Monde.  According to the newspaper, Hassan Salameh, commander of the German 9th Brigade and a long time officer, was also a lieutenant in Rommel's headquarters.  He was appointed to this position at the personal request of the chairman of the Arab Higher Committee, who was a German spy and was concerned that Salameh had been confined to a German soup kitchen.
Now I managed to obtain the source story in Le Monde of Jan 22 or 23, 1948.  The start of it can be seen here, but I paid 2 euros for the full text. The relevant paragraph, which is the only place where "Salameh" or "Rommel" are mentioned, is this:
: Ceux qu'il m'a été donné de voir étaient des hommes bien équipés et approvisionnés, armés de mausers et de " tomy-guns ". Leur armement de campagne comprend en outre des mitrailleuses et des mortiers légers. Leur concentration s'effectue entre Safad et Naplouse, dans les discrètes montagnes de Samarie et dans les montagnes de Judée entre Hébron et Belthléem. La Haganah prétend avoir la preuve que parmi les cadres de cette armée figurent d'anciens officiers supérieurs de l'Afrikakorp. On cite notamment le colonel Korf, qui servirait d'aide de camp à Kawkji, et le major Kortel, ancien chef du S. R. de Rommel, qui opérerait à Jérusalem, sous le nom de Hadj Salameh.
I'm not great at French either, so the following translation can also be corrected:
: Those [Arab fighters] I was allowed to see were well-equipped and supplied men armed with mausers and tommy guns. Their field armament also includes machine guns and light mortars. They are concentrated between Safad and Nablus, in the desolate? mountains of Samaria and in the Judean mountains between Hebron and Bethlehem. The Haganah claims to have evidence that senior officers of the army include former senior officers of Afrikakorp. Colonel Korf, who would serve as aide-de-camp to Kawkji, and Major Kortel, a former chief of the S. R. of Rommel, who operated in Jerusalem under the name of Hadj Salameh, were mentioned. (Q: What is "S. R. de Rommel"?)
::Great job Zero0000. Your translation is very good. "montagnes discrètes" means "hills where it is easy to go unnoticed" ; "S.R" stands for "Service de Renseignements" / "intelligence services". Pluto2012 (talk) 04:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. We don't need to deploy such efforts to demonstrate Davar is not reliable. In French we talk about "enfoncer des portes ouvertes", which google suggests me to translate by "to push at open doors". Pluto2012 (talk) 04:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Davar and the bullshit story about Salameh and Rommel 

message: I don't know if this is true or not but that's not wp:rs
:When he was in Damascus, Syria in 1939,  according to British records,  Salama "approached indirectly"  the British whom he had been fighting and offered his services  to round up his past comprades, but the British declined his offer.State of Israel's blog, June 3, 2015: http://israelsdocuments.blogspot.co.il/2015/06/british-reports-on-hassan-salameh-arab.html"
Pluto2012 (talk) 22:15, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is Sheikh Hassan Salameh British Police file, hosted by Israel State Archives. See here. If you scroll to page 13,  section 8:  This is a long standing content, Please obtain consensus for removal. Infinity Knight (talk) 21:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Although you are not the first editor to think that long-standing text has higher status, there is no such rule.  The onus is on those wishing articles to contain given text, regardless of how long it has been there. Anyway, the police report is unreliable as are all police reports; using it would definitely violate WP:PRIMARY. The archive's summary of the police report is also unreliable for two reasons: (1) they did no further investigating but just summarised, (2) they are a mouthpiece of the Israeli government and so not a third-party source. Zerotalk 21:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't fully follow what's going on here, but I want to comment on Reliable Sources and WP:Primary. Government records are Reliable Sources for almost all purposes, and they are probably always Reliable Sources when used in the form of "According to...". A source is always reliable for supporting a statement that the source-itself said something. We also routinely use police reports. If you search Wikipedia for "according to police", "police report", and "police reports", you will find many hundreds of examples. WP:Primary explicitly says primary sources may be used. It says primary sources don't establish Notability, that articles should not be mostly based on primary sources, and extra care needs to be used not to add creative interpretation beyond what the source says. Alsee (talk) 09:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wp:rs 

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message: I'm sorting Middle Eastern collaborators with Nazi Germany by their ethnicity, that's more accurate, so I want to replace this:
Arab collaborators with Nazi Germany RedEye98 (talk) 16:25, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NonsensicalSystem(err0r?)(.log) 10:44, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 March 2020 

message: There seems to be an error in the article.
The article reads: “parachuted from a German Heinkel HeS 3 into mandatory Palestine”... However, the Heinkel HeS3 was a JET ENGINE, not an AIRPLANE.
I was of the assumptions that jet engines are usually attached to wings and form part of a plane. Not that they can fly independently, however I’m not an expert on the topic.192.38.137.248 (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heinkel plane?! 

message: I've uploaded this photo of the 1945 Mandate of Palestine reward poster (pfft, barely offered any reward) which seems relevant - would appreciate if someone can add it to the article which is still seemingly edit-protected (time to remove?) Mostcommonphraseongoogle (talk) 21:47, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thanks.  It is added. Zerotalk 02:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: "comprades" does not seem to be an English word. Maybe either "comrades" or "compadres" are meant? As the article is edit-protected, I would appreciate this simple fix. Terber (talk) 09:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, User:Terber; yeah, it was a spelling mistake, Huldra (talk) 20:42, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request: Fix typo "comprades"