Talk:Guardian Council

message: This article lists some names of the various members of the Council. There is a link to a Persian-language site regarding the Council that shows the photographs and names of the Council members, but there is no English translation of the names.  Can someone please download the photographs from the official Council webside and paste them into this Wikipedia article so we can see and match the names with their photographs?  Thank you.
--Bill 19:11  12 June 2006
You can refer to http://portal.irisn.com/aza/aza.htm for their pictures.
Farhoudk 11:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Photo question 

message: Is the appointment of the clerical members of the Council by the Supreme Leader subject to Parliamental approval ?
-- Siyac 17:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Also, Majles is a joke since the intelligence services (VEVAK) are known to have manipulated their decision through threats and coercions.  --19:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question 

message: This series of articles suffers from a great deal of vandalism due to anti-IR propagandists.  please people remain npov! Hayadel 07:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My concerns were based on a review of the sources and the tone of the article. First of all, I think it is important to understand that no system of government should be presupposed to be superior to another (as far as article writing goes). Therefore, one should not presuppose that democracy is better than a republic or whatever we are talking about (again, as far as npov articles go). Systems of government are different everywhere, and everyone has problems with how they do their jobs. In the case of the Islamic Republic, the Islamic Revolution replaced the regime  of the Shah because of popular discontent, this does not mean that everyone was happy, but simply that the revolution had the necessary popular momentum to achieve its aim. If the Guardian Council does not fit into your ideal political system that is fine, but that view should not be part of your agenda for contributing to this article. As far as specifics go, some of the sources for this article are taken from anti-IR websites and organizations. As long as these are balanced out in some way, I don't have a problem, but it should be assumed that for every entity that does not like the Islamic Republic, there is one that supports it. All I'm worried about is that wikipedia does not become an outlet for biased agendas. Hayadel 21:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, if everything is equal, then why do you want to learn about the Guardian Council?  Not having any knowledge is the same as having knowledge?  If the same, then why does one expend time to learn more?--Patchouli 16:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: Since the Supreme Leader has the power to appoint just 6 of the 12 members of the GC (the clerics), doesn't he just have the power to dismiss those 6? From what I've read, only the Majlis, which approves the other (lawyer) members can dismiss them. Of course, this would be the logical setup, but as most of the government's structure is unfair and illogical, I wouldn't be surprised if he had the power to dismiss them all. Any thoughts? If there aren't any, I'll probably revert a recent edit regarding this.-67.167.93.51 23:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that he can dismiss those 6, but I was just wondering if this edit is correct. It no longer clarifies only the religious members can be dismissed, implying all 12 can be by the Supreme Leader. Should it be reverted? Thanks.-67.167.93.51 03:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Seeing nothing to the contrary, I have now reverted the edit mentioned above. Please post objections, if any, here before reverting back. Thanks.-67.167.93.51 00:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power to dismiss? 

message: Here is another evidence of discrimination against non-mullahs in Iran:  Only those member of the Guardian Council who were mullahs were ex-officio members of the Expediency Discernment Council as of 2000.--Patchouli 05:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro-mullah institutions 

message: I read some of those sources and here are some thoughts:
* The criticism of the "circle" be included under title of criticism rather than WP:WW vicious
* It should be mentioned that those claiming a circle are from the reformer parties; the response refuting this from conservatives should be there as well: http://www.kayhannews.ir/851006/12.htm#other1206
Behnam is right about OR; the problem with many OR on Iran articles is causing problems, for example see the Tfd bellow, which has been on wiki and its based on Patchouli's own false interpretation of the constitution.
--Gerash77 05:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it possible that you add that info? I'm only studying my first year of Persian and I'm definitely not able to tackle big things like those websites.  Perhaps my structure from above can be used, except Mehdi Khalaji can be replaced with "Reformist groups" or something like that to reflect multiple sources.  Then the conservative response can be given.  I try to be as useful as possible, but it is difficult when it comes to non-English sources.  I'll check over neutrality in any case; it is important that both sides are represented neutrally if there is going to be a "Criticism" section at all.  The Behnam 06:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, you can add the "Criticism" section for now, and others can add the conservative response later.  Just make sure that it is not OR and not POV.  We aren't trying to make our own case here, or convince the readers of anything.  The section should only inform readers of what the criticism is and who said it, but shouldn't actually argue the ideas.  If you want to add a criticism section, please do.  I will keep watching to make sure the section is in line with the principles stated in this discussion, and will comment accordingly on this talk page.  The Behnam 18:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you for bringing the dictionary into it.  This strengthens my assertion that the term is POV, since the definitions you provided clearly are talking about 'problems.'  So we will not have a section entitled "Vicious Circle," or in any way arguing the view of "Vicious Circle."  Instead, we will address the topic neutrally under a "Criticism" section.  The Behnam 07:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, but I had a problem as I stated above.  The Khalaji source used "vicious circle," but that was for the Assembly of Experts.  What about the Guardian Council?  The Behnam 18:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't see why should we repeat this issue in every Iranian article when its already discussed in Politics_of_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran#The_closed_loop_of_power--Gerash77 04:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't even know about that.  I just got involved because of the POV OR section in this article.  The Behnam 04:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added refs and other pov to that section. Politics_of_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran#Criticism_of_the_System--Gerash77 05:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  Almost all the POV OR is added to the Iran articles by user:Patchouli. his behaviour has gotten on my nerves a few times! Nevertheless he has contributed an enormous amount of time and energy to Iranian articles, which is why I have never asked for his blocking, despite infintely many violations! The problem is many people mistake wiki for a weblog. But if we let these people go, no one else is there to edit our articles.--Gerash77 05:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is even more of a problem that a certain user spends so much time and energy adding POV OR.  There even appears to be sort of a 'network' of articles, all created by him and tied together, that are mostly POV and often OR.  If something could be done about this user, it would probably be better for the system.  It is better not to have an article than to have a POV OR article.  Some of the articles aren't even real concepts discussed by reliable sources! It is really getting out of hand.  The Behnam 05:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It does reduce WP crediblity to a great extent. But considering his magificent level of time and energy I would say if he gets banned, he would turn out to be one of those users who evade the bans to vandalize articles even further. I think the best would be to let him be until he cools down.--Gerash77 06:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: centralization of relevent material is a wiki policy, unless patchouli decide to WP:IGNORE!--Gerash77 06:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that he wouldn't be improving the encyclopedia by ignoring the rules.  The Behnam 06:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I simply undid a revision that manipulated the order of conversation on the page by inappropriately placing this chunk of OR above one of my responses.  And I don't understand why you have done this; it doesn't appear to add anything to what is largely a finished discussion.  The Behnam 05:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Solution

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--Gerash77 01:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Tricameral legislature of Islamic Republic of Iran}} 

message: Ever since all of the photos got deleted in this change... I would like to see sourced photos. MrMacMan 22:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I request pictures! 

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message: The official website is calling itself the Constitutional Council. It looks like this is the official translation - should we move this article? Secretlondon (talk) 16:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This was brought up in March 2021 and user Arccosecant indicated that it went against WP:COMMONNAME - has this changed? (See article history, revision of 15 March 2021) Uhnyt Eiolog (talk) 04:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename to constitutional council? 

message: Who is the genius who had the idea to use the US State Department as an “unbiased and objective source?” 
I move to remove the addition and/or find an unbiased citation that says something similar. 2001:1970:5163:1200:0:0:0:E6B (talk) 03:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  State Department Source