Talk:List of LGBT writers

message: I alphabetized the Post-Stonewall and 21st century sections, which had many additions that were not in alphabetical order. I also added Thomas Glave, Lawrence La Fountain-Stokes, Jaime Manrique, and Emanuel Xavier to the Post-Stonewall category. How are people using the "21st Cent" category? Is it for people whose first book (or first major book) comes out on or after 2000? Thanks.--Mgdelarosa (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Names and Alphabetizing, Question about 21st Century Category

message: I have moved Arenas from pre-Stonewall to post-Stonewall. I have also incorporated John Rechy, who was not on list. While both started to write before 1969, their aesthetic projects are more in line with post-Stonewall authors like Larry Kramer. I would not mind having clearer guidelines regarding this. I am open to moving them back to pre-Stonewall if there are strong sentiments about that.--Mgdelarosa (talk) 04:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Reinaldo Arenas]] and [[John Rechy]]

message: I've done additional cleaning up and expansion, and included Gloria Anzaldúa, Magali García Ramis, Alicia Gaspar de Alba, Cherríe Moraga, Achy Obejas, Manuel Puig (and Kiss of the Spider Woman), and Mayra Santos-Febres. Almost all have entries that explain how their work fits in this list.--Mgdelarosa (talk) 04:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Latina Lesbian and LGBT Latin American Writers

message: While mooching with the LGBT fiction template i made, i noticed that this exists, and is completely unsourced. Are there other occupation lists like this? Doesn't the general list of LGBT people cover occupation? Culling this to what could be sourced would seem redundant to other lists and a lot of work.
I see writers like Paula Vogel, with no source here, no mention of LGBT in the article, and not in the LGBT writer category.
I thought it best to invite comments here before adding a merge template or posting to the BLP violations board.
Inital thoughts: 
*Having no sources is unacceptable, especially for WP:BLP, which includes this.
*Would have a reason to exist (if sourced) if short descritptions of how their LGBT status contributes to their work. But it doesn't do this so gives little added value over the lists of people compared the large amount of added work that would need. Yobmod (talk) 09:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This list was originally part of LGBT literature, and was basically an outline upon which that article was meant to be expanded; that never happened, and the list was pulled out. You are correct that it has somewhat degenerated, and as a "list of writers" is redundant and useless. I think the list's value would be as a timeline of LGBT works, which of course may be more difficult to identify the older they are because what we know as "LGBT themes" were not identified as such and were usually hidden or subtly incorporated. Anyway, to that end I'd like to see some of this info preserved, but I am not personally knowledgable enough on the subject to clean up/transform this list into a "List of early LGBT works" or whatever.— TAnthonyTalk 17:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try sourcing a few early/important ones, and merge that back into the parent article. The rest i'll place on the talk page with an explanation.Yobmod (talk) 07:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I find this list useful (don't know of an equivalent on Wikipedia, but maybe you could point to that?). You are right that it should have references and a better introduction and structure. Referencing it would not be that hard, just a matter of sitting down with a source such as Claude J. Summers, ed. The Gay and Lesbian Literary Heritage (New York: Henry Holt, 1995, ).--Lawrlafo (talk) 18:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The list of LGBT people is the master list, with the sublists giving the occupation or reason for notability for each person. Does this mean you will be sourcing this? I can hold off from merging/trimming if someone will be improving it. I have too many articles to source, and don't find un-annotated lists of any use anyway. The problem is that we are not allowed to wait for citations to slowly acrue, which is what i would usually do - WP:BLP demands that saying anything controversial about living people be sourced or removed, and unfortunately being LGBT is still controversial.Yobmod (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Note that at the list of people, sorting by year then "notable as" gives a list of LGBT writers by date.Yobmod (talk) 19:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I volunteer to reference this list. But I would like to suggest that it be changed to an alphabetical list with no chronological divisions, following the model of List of African American writers or List of Puerto Rican writers. Is that a good idea? I would also suggest that sections on 19th-century, 20th century (before and after Stonewall), and 21st century LGBT literature be incorporated to the LGBT literature article, perhaps mentioning the most important authors.--Lawrlafo (talk) 02:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you start with referencing (in any order you want), i can come and make it into a sortable table).Yobmod (talk) 16:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

text: OK, I will work on this, but for now I'm going to alphabetize (just because it really makes it much easier to reference) and go ahead and reference and add dates of birth (and death). I will keep or add notable works if possible, but maybe I'll do that later. I checked the List of African Americans above, don't know why it did not have a link to List of African American writers so I fixed that.--Lawrlafo (talk) 03:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP violation/redundant

message: I am removing this content and adding it in a reformated way.--Lawrlafo (talk) 08:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have hidden this content for general readability of the page. By the way, awesome recreation of the list! — TAnthonyTalk 12:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!!!!!--Lawrlafo (talk) 12:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Old content

message: I am eliminating this entry for lack of reference to topic:
*Compton Mackenzie, wrote Extraordinary Women (1928)
--Lawrlafo (talk) 10:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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message: I am eliminating this entry for lack of reference to topic:
*Susan Palwick (b. 1961), American author
--Lawrlafo (talk) 11:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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message: I am eliminating this entry for lack of reference to topic:
*Andrew Vachss (b. 1942), American author, wrote Choice of Evil  (1999); Step on a Crack
--Lawrlafo (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Andrew Vachss]]

message: I am eliminating Mae West entry for lack of reference to topic.--Lawrlafo (talk) 12:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Mae West]]

message: I am done with the changes to the list I wanted to do. Please evaluate and consider removing tags on references, original research, cleanup, and lead section, or if not offer suggestions for further changes. Thanks!--Lawrlafo (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Please consider removing tags!

message: I am removing these authors who explore (or condemn) homosexuality in their work but who were not themselves same-sex loving (or whose sexuality is unknown or uncertain).
*Augustine of Hippo (354-430), Romanized Berber author (from what is now Algeria)
*Charles Baudelaire (1821-1867), French poet, wrote Les Fleurs du mal (1857)
*Geoffrey Chaucer (134?-1400), English author
I will continue to go over the names on list and reread the outside sources to ascertain appropriateness of including them.
--Lawrlafo (talk) 14:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing authors who are not LGBT

message: I think it best to move uncited wirters here, until citations are found. Many i'm sure are trivial to cite, but there are a lot. Writing a book with gay in the title does not mean no source is needed and i don't know of any gay book awards that require the writer be LGBT:
*Aldo Alvarez, Puerto Rican author, wrote Interesting Monsters (2001), editor of Blithe House Quarterly (LGBT literary journal)
*Lucy Jane Bledsoe (b. 1957), American author, wrote Working Parts (1998) Stonewall Book Award for Literature)
*William S. Burroughs (1914-1997), American author, wrote Naked Lunch (1959), Queer (1985)
*Douglas Coupland (b. 1961), Canadian novelist
*Stacey D'Erasmo (b. 1961), American author, wrote Tea (2000); A Seahorse Year (2004)
*Emma Donoghue (b. 1969), Irish-born playwright, lives in Canada, wrote Hood (1995), winner of the 1997 Stonewall Book Award; Slammerkin (2000) winner of the 2001 Ferro-Grumley lesbian fiction award; Life Mask (2004); Touchy Subjects (2006); Landing (2007)
*Bret Easton Ellis (b.1964), American writer and screenwriter, notable works with LGBT themes include Less Than Zero and The Rules of Attraction
*Leslie Feinberg (b. 1949), American author, wrote Stone Butch Blues (1993) (winner of 1994 Stonewall Book Award for Literature)
*Alicia Gaspar de Alba (b. 1958), Chicana author, wrote Desert Blood: The Juárez Murders (2005)
*Théophile Gautier (1811-1872), French writer
*Thomas Glave (b. ?) , Jamaican-American author, edited Our Caribbean: A Gathering of Lesbian and Gay Writing from the Antilles (2008) 
*Essex Hemphill (1957-1995), African American poet and activist
*Magnus Hirschfeld (1868-1935), German-Jewish author
*Alan Hollinghurst (b. 1954), English novelist, wrote The Swimming Pool Library (1988), The Folding Star (1994), The Spell (1998), The Line of Beauty, winner of the 2004 Booker Prize
*Avery Hopwood (1882-1928), American playwright
*Christopher Isherwood (1904-1986), English author, wrote Down There on a Visit (1962); A Single Man (1964)
*Jack Kerouac (1922-1969), American author, wrote On the Road (1957), The Subterraneans (1958)
*Larry Kramer (b. 1935), American author, wrote Faggots (1978), The Normal Heart (1986)
*Tony Kushner (b. 1956), American author, wrote Angels in America: A Gay Fantasia on National Themes (1991-92)
::Preferably, it shouldn't just be sources that say the writer is gay but sources that say they are gay and write about gay subjects. Bulldog123 23:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. As long as a writer can be properly sourced as being gay, lesbian or bisexual, they belong here no matter what they did or didn't write about. Bearcat (talk) 22:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncited

message: I alphabetized the above section of deleted names. We really need to work on getting some of these back in, as they are some of the most famous LGBT authors.--Lawrlafo (talk) 15:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have referenced and am reinserting the following: William S. Burroughs, Essex Hemphill, Alan Hollinghurst, Christopher Isherwood, Jack Kerouac, Larry Kramer, Tony Kushner.--Lawrlafo (talk) 01:41, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reinsertion of deleted names

message: I know of at least three noted children's / young adult authors not listed who should be - James Howe, William Sleator, and Brian Selznick.  I believe I saw Howe interviewed on a tv show about it, Sleator's recent obit mentioned his male "partner(s)," and Selznick's About the Author page in Wonderstruck mentions his partner, as well as him mentioning it in a recent interview printed online.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.226.194 (talk) 18:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Since people cannot be listed here without reliable sources, it would be most helpful if you could actually provide links to valid sources for Selznick and Sleator, since neither of their articles currently mention or source anything at all about their sexuality. Howe's does, although a better one would still be nice if possible. Bearcat (talk) 00:32, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some other names to add ~ 

message: Just as a heads-up, I've begun the process of converting this list from a plain format to a table, more like that which has long been in use at the various subpages of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people. I will continue with this, but would welcome any assistance as it's a big job which I'm unlikely to be able to finish in one sitting. Bearcat (talk) 21:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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