Talk:Global climate change

message: However, I am against messy articles and I hope we can cooperate on cleaning up the GW mess. Perhaps we should create a WikiProject and work on a mutually agreeable proposal. What info should go into which articles? --user:Ed Poor (talk) 22:02, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
: (William M. Connolley 22:19, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject? 

message: any specificity on regional climate change, will encounter greater skepticism. 
Even the artificial, mutually confirming "agreement" between parameterized global climate models seriously breaks down when one drills down to precipitation and temperature, etc at the regional level.  While there is a premature "global" consensus, at the regional level, especially in the temperate lattitudes, there is none.  A documented balance between the consensus and the criticism has been reached on the pages that have been described as messy.  It is a dynamic balance that is continuing, feel free to participate if you can add to the specificity.  I don't see any issues on this page that haven't already been at least visited.  If there is anything new to offer, it should face the scrutiny of the more active complete pages and not try to hide away in some cubby hole, hoping to escape scrutiny.  If the science is good, it can stand up to criticism and scrutiny.--Silverback 23:25, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The urban heat island is a good example of regional climate change that has nothing to do with global climate models. Where does this go on the climate change page? --Ben 01:51, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The urban heat island is discussed on many of the pages, mostly in terms of correcting temperatures for its effects, it might justify its own article, if one wants to get into the level of detail where the evidence for downstream effects on the weather (note, not climate) are discussed.  However, short of that, it doesn't justify a separate climate change page, just add to the existing dicusssions.--Silverback 03:04, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text:  (William M. Connolley 09:54, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "excess skepticism"? 

message: *User:Benapgar/Proposal
Here is my proposal of how I think it should be arranged and what changes I think would benefit understanding of the concepts. Please let me know what you think, or if you like it feel free to make changes. (It is a fairly quick and dirty one to show you that I am serious about getting things changed--I'm not just ranting here.) --Ben 05:45, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: (William M. Connolley 12:42, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your opinion is duly noted. --Ben 04:46, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal

message: *User:Benapgar/Global_climate_change
I've created a Gl Cl Ch page which represents my ideas (it isn't entirely complete, politics esp.). I'm reluctant to work on other stuff, especially stuff that already has pages, because I have a feeling you guys will just revert it and dismiss it and it would be a waste of my time, especially considering that some pages will have to change at the same time to reflect the new page otherwise the structure doesn't work. That's why I want to discuss structure first. --Ben 09:12, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Sample Gl Cl Ch page

message: If having this article is "mad", then why is there nearly 4,000 words of talk about it? Absent an reason other than personal preference, I think it's better to keep the article.
: (William M. Connolley 22:08, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why merge?