Talk:Kh-31

message: I started trying to copyedit this, to make it clear that it's not just an ARM, and to try and impose a WP:AIR-type structure on it, and ended up just rewriting the whole thing.  But at least it's a bit clearer now, and I've tried to do a fair bit of work on the referencing, it must be close to GA standard now I'd guess. Of course there's a basic problem with contemporary weapons, that secrecy gets in the way of WP:RELIABLE sourcing - and in this case there seems to be a fair bit of confusion among Western authors about naming etc, so the Kh-31AD gets refered to as the basic Kh-31A model and so on. In some cases I've had to quote them on the grounds that a not-quite-correct WP:RS is better in Wikiworld than an unsourced statement that's more accurate - hopefully it will prompt people to dig up better info that has a reliable source. Frustrating but there you go. And I suspect that only the Chinese really know the difference between the YJ-91 and YJ-93 - the Wikipedia article should probably be called YJ-93 but YJ-91 seems to be the WP:COMMONNAME in the West....
On the same theme, I couldn't turn up any reliable information on what may or may not have been tweaked by MD during the MA-31 tests - but it's possible that you may be able to find something on .mil or .gov, there's usually quite a bit of info buried in Congressional reports and internal presentations. One of the .mil references now in the article mentions that they had no failures with separation from the F-4, but two post-separation failures attributed to the Russian propulsion system, and one to Boeing's URAP autopilot. I suspect that Russia's refusal to sell had more bearing on the ultimate decision than the actual spec of the MA-31.... And I'd suggest that it isn't really appropriate to dwell too much on US Navy politics in what is after all an article about a Russian missile - it might be better to refer people to a separate article on the SSST competition or the Navy's decoy requirements, as happened with eg Zumwalt class destroyer and United States Naval Gunfire Support debate when the WWII battleship fans were starting to overwhelm an article about a contemporary destroyer.
Oh, and some better images would be nice, more close-up and without the clutter of other missiles, ideally showing them on active service rather than in static displays.  You should be able to find some free-use ones of the MA-31 on .mil somewhere if nothing else. And there's a couple of small-but-significant facts that need hard references. I'm now feeling a bit frazzled on this subject, but if someone else wants to go for WP:GA, feel free.... 86.31.43.85 (talk) 04:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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