Talk:Rumba (dance)

message: Should we really describe a basic in so much detail? Especially since basics differ so much in different places? I've seen three variations, and the one on this page makes four. Bihal 02:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of basic steps 

message: I've tagged this article to note both the problems with factual accuracy and the suggestion to split the article.  Here are my thoughts in detail (apologies for the length, but there is a lot to talk about here):
In the section called "Cuban Rumba", we have the following sentence:  "Later, Prohibition in the United States caused a flourishing of the relatively-tolerated cabaret Rumba, as American tourists flocked to see crude sainetes (short plays) which featured racial stereotypes and generally, though not always, Rumba."
Are we sure hear that this was in fact real Cuban rumba (ie, guaguancó, yambú, columbia), and not some variant of the son that was mislabeled by the American public.´ Can we get some kind of source on this?
We also have the following sentence:
"Rumba is thought to have contributed to the origin of the cha-cha-cha, and indeed most figures (if not all, somehow) can be reinterpreted in cha-cha-cha."
Why is this in the "Cuban rumba" section?  This is now clearly refering to ballroom rumba, which again is not even in the rumba family.  Ballroom rumba is an Americanized version of the Cuban son.  Besides, this strikes me as a highly dubious claim.  The dance "cha cha chá" is a clear derivative of the mambo, which is in turn a member of the Cuban "son" family of dances.  Ballroom rumba is also in this same family, sharing among other things a similar basic, which is why you can reinterpret figures easily between the dances, but it doesn't at all follow that Ballroom rumba contributed to the origin of the cha cha chá in any significant way.  It certainly isn't in any way a parent dance.
"Traditional belief holds that the Rumba was originally contrived within the Afro-Cuban population in Cuba."  Traditional belief?  There is no doubt about this whatsoever.  However this does not apply to "Ballroom rumba", it only applies to true Cuban rumba.  Yet another issue that can be solved through splitting the article.
Under Early American Rumba we have the following:
"This kind of Rumba introduced into American dance salons at the beginning of the 20th century, characterized high tempo, nearly twice as fast as the modern ballroom Rumba, typical examples being the tunes The Peanut Ventor and Siboney."
So it looks like we're suddenly talking about music again, rather than dance.  The Peanut Vender is not a rumba; it is a son.  It may have been widely called a "Rhumba" in the United States at the time but that's a total misnomer, as any Cuban music scholar will tell you.  I'm sure the same goes for Siboney.  I understand that the terminology in Ballroom circles is different, but the issue should be mentioned and clearly resolved in the article.  The ballroom 'lingo' should be the footnote here, not the correct terminology.
So my suggestions are, before making any changes to this article, to separate the Rumba (dance) article into two separate articles: one for Rumba and one for Ballroom rumba.  This is parallel to the change I've suggested in the main Rumba article, which suffers many of the same shortcomings.  Having the two separate will resolve many of the issues I've mentioned above.  We just have to make it clear, in the Ballroom rumba article that it did not decend from the afro-Cuban rumba as formed in Havana and Matanzas, but rather from the Cuban son.
I agree.  You must be a Virgo.  Because you found more mistakes than I did.  Rhumba Master 08:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some issues ... 

message: In view of above, I did a basic rewrite to establish the basic distinction between the uses of the word rumba. It also touches on a common WP phenomenon, that is, the content was a bit too US-centered. The international dance community now includes strong presence from Japan, China, Russia, Eastern Europe &c &c, all of whom compete in the major international dance competitions. 
Links are needed to dance organizations world-wide.  Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  rewrite 

message: There is a general problem we face, in articles like this, of describing dance moves with words alone to a readership which ranges from non-dancers through naive self-taught dancers to those who have learnt from experts. If we use expert professional descriptions, they won't be generally understood or appreciated! But if we simply use ordinary language it won't be precise. Readers need to appreciate that dance is not like music: it doesn't have a form of notation which is completely satisfactory for all types of dance (and what there is of notation is designed for ballet). There are some good videos used by dance teachers which we can't use here because they are valuable products, which we will never get permission to reproduce. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:22, 6 December 2008 (UTT)
:Hello, Ramba is a very serious love dance.Also, people like to dance to Ramba music often when they are i  parties and other stufff like that.Ramba is also a dance that shows a strong male love and passion.
:People when,they go to the the parties to dance in Ramba they usally bring instrutments to play with them like the:marracas to Ramba because ,drums&etc.Also,people dance to Ramba because it gives an influence on them and also came in the 16th century.
:Ramba actually came from Cuba and also today people still remember the Ramba dance They speak spanish.But, still maybe,if people teached Ramba today they might do it on A different style or maybe the same.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.219.206 (talk) 00:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descriptions of dance