Talk:Mazandaran province

message: Just judge objectively!:: BTW . just takle a look at the actions of this guy. Is it OK? Now tell me honestly is it ok what this Persian supremacist does? And you implicitely and explictly support him? But deffending his vandalisms against my corrections? 
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Just take a look, and be objective. Is it not shameless? Babakexorramdin 12:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you really think it is a big problem, you could file a report, but honestly, that guy is a very minor contributor, and hasn't contributed for a few days.  He is probably not a big deal.  Anyway, the problem appears to be a disagreement over the main language distribution, and considering that aside from Persian (which is obviously present in each region since it is a the main language), there isn't much info on the languages, he is probably just removing those because they don't make sense according to his knowledge.  You really can't call it vandalism; it isn't like he is removing well-sourced material here.  Anyway, I think a report wouldn't go anywhere.  The Behnam 13:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Behnam, the guy has sytematically vandalized all pages about the languages of Iran. Maybe the guy has more IP's. We don't know, but these acts are more systematic and consistent with the Fars supremacist agenda. I do not know however that the guy is  Fars supremacist himslef; maybe he is "someone" there to create ethnic tensions in Iran. be aware of these guys. Please see the last book review of "Brenda Shaffer", the main advocate of ethnic unrest in Iran. I only know that the ethnic situation in Iran is being abused by many with an agenda! I disagree about that the the guy is not removing "well-sourced" material. In fact he is removing the facts which could be derived from the sources which were already provided in and under the page (e.g. the Markazi province!). Babakexorramdin 16:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in that case just keep investigating, and in the meantime, simply source the statements about minority languages.  You are safe if you provide reliable sources for assertions.  The Behnam 16:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If you have reliable sources indicating that those minority languages are main languages in those provinces, just be sure to explicitly source this, and if others keep removing the information without elaboration, you should probably report an incident or otherwise seek administrative action.  But make sure that the information is about the languages, not just the ethnicity.  I say "minority" because the mentioned languages and ethnicities do not comprise a majority of the population, aside from Persian language.  The Behnam 16:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again the aforemntioned user has vandalized: he removed Georgian and Armenian from Esfahan province (look how stupid this assertion is, while all sources indicate otherwise. Has he ever heard of Jolfa, or Fereydan, or Fereydunshahr????]]. And he has removed Baluchi from Kerman and Azeri from Hamedan. All sources in those pages provide the information that these languages were spoken in those provinces, so does the map of ethno-linguistic distribution in Iran does. This guy should be reported as a valndalist! And I again urge you do not call "MINORITY". and Dont be selective in favor of persian vs. non-Persian languages. Babakexorramdin 17:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, give him warnings on his talk page.  See WP:UTM for the various templates.  You may have to report the problem. Look at WP:DR and WP:VANDAL for more information.  Again, be sure that your assertions have strong sources before you start any sort of report, because if they don't, you'll look foolish.   The Behnam 17:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As I said he acts against all common knowledge and the provided explicite sources. Moreover I have woarnbed him and talked sense to him, it seems that he is at it to make trouble. These are people who try to absorb Iranians energy and wate their efforts. I seriously think that he is doing this intentionally and won't wonder if he is not an Iranian. His actions are in fact too similar to those of people like "Brenda Shaffer", who tyries to insitgate ethnic tension in Iran. Babakexorramdin 17:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  an example of the mindsit from this user

message: Sorry to say this but I do not think that your newest additions with regard to the languages adds anything valuable. 1- It is evident that Mazandaranis speak Mazandarani. Moreover the artclie you brought does not prove that there is a sizable native Persianspeaking population in Mazandaran. It speaks of Mazandarani revitalization despite the fact that Persian is the official language of Iran. Moreover the article has some weaknesses; coexistence and conflict do people, not languages. Languages always coexist. Languages have no will, they are there, coexistence of languages does not make sense for ethnographic discussion unless it is linked to the coexistence of the speakers of languages. Having said this, for me there is no discussion that there is a Persian-speaking community in Mazandaran, though not a native one (a lot of them are of course the tourists in the summer time). Babakexorramdin 03:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Evident or otherwise, it does not hurt to cite Mazandarani.  Anyway, the article makes it pretty clear that Persian is a main language in Mazandaran.  It describes Persian as the "lingua franca," describes the decline of Mazandarani language as a result of a "widespread use of Persian," then mentioning that "An overwhelming majority of the population of the province is now bilingual," still talking about Mazandarani and Persian.  There may still be more examples.  The article has a great deal about the decline of Mazandarani in the face of Persian language; I recommend you give it another read.  The Behnam 04:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  then isnt it fair to mention English and German as main languages in many parts of Iran? Babakexorramdin 04:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Probably not.  While it is clear that Mazandarani and Persian are both used extensively in communication between people in Mazandaran, speaking English or German to each other does not appear to be quite as prevalent.  For example, it is safe to say that most Americans, especially those who grew up here, know how to speak Pig Latin, but the fact that they do not regularly use Pig Latin in communication prevents Pig Latin from being considered a "main language."  The Behnam 04:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The sources 

message: Tabarestan (known as Mazandaran from 12th century onward) was part of Mede,Achaemenid,Parthian, Sassanid empire.  Cadusi is actually in the Talesh area of Gilan.  The other native Parthian house-holds (Sokhra, Goshnasp..etc) were part of the Parthian empire.  These households asserted themselves after the Arab invasion.  --alidoostzadeh 02:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You may want to talk to User:Ali1986 about that if you haven't already.  Also, consider editing Template:History of Tabaria if you want to make corrections directly.  Unfortunately, I don't know much about it, though I was confused by the great number of entities on the template.  Probably a sign that it is inaccurate, but anyway, talk to Ali about it.  The Behnam 02:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks I have some books about Mazandaran.  Note the current template contradicts another article --alidoostzadeh 03:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Who assumes themselves as "Tabarians"? Medes were proud ancestors of Kurds?!! They were proud of their descendants?! The template is not necessary --Rayis 18:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The template is complete inaccurate 

message: The post islamic history should be technically edited. there is a chunk of text which strangly remains hidden and is not displayed. Go to 'edit' and see the text which is not displayed in the normal version of the article--Babakexorramdin (talk) 23:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
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