Talk:Fort Myers, Florida

message: Hammond Stadium, and the Twins spring training, are not in the city of Ft. Myers. They are in unincorporate Lee County and Hammond Stadium is a county facility. It is covered in the Lee County article. It may seem confusing since it has a Ft. Myers address, but so does half the county. Since this article is about the city, with Lee County having a seperate article, I propose removing part about the Twins and Hammond. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not entirely against a move, but something needs to stay in the FM article if only for a reference to the history of "cross town" games against the Red Sox (based at City of Palms Park inside the city limits). VulpineLady (talk) 23:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Oh man, it is hilarious to read this seven years later. – The Grid (talk)  12:27, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the hazards of hanging around Wikipedia for years. :) - Donald Albury 19:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: *7 years later, both teams are still outside of the city. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:43, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ok, Fort Myers forgot about it long before. Lee County wasn't aware either. – The Grid (talk)  13:51, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'm not even sure what that means.Niteshift36 (talk) 18:24, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: A terrible joke, mostly. – The Grid (talk)  18:37, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minnesota Twins 

message: While I can find web sites that classify places along the southwest Florida coast, including Fort Myers, as having a "tropical savannah climate", the WP article :Florida climate has a map placing the area in the "humid subtropical" zone. Whichever climate classification is used, it needs to have a citation to a reliable source. - Donald Albury 14:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: The proper climate designation for Fort Myers has been discussed before (see above). I am uncomfortable assigning a a Koppen-Geiger code based on looking at a large-scale map. I found the following classifications for Fort Myers in a Google search:
* Climate-data.org Cfa
* Weatherbase.com Cfa
* Climatemps.com Cfa
* Weather-US.com Aw, bordering on Cfa
I am not sure which of the above qualify as reliable sources. I did find the information below in a book published by an academic press, which should make it acceptable as a reliable source.
"Trewatha (1943) originally placed the northernmost boundary [of Koppen zone Aw] along the 27th latitute, a line from Ft. Myers to Melbourne...", thus placing Ft. Myers right on the boundary between Aw and Cfa.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Donald Albury (talk • contribs) 11:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit perplexed on the editing done by these IPs for specifically the climate. I only see it on the Southwest Florida articles. – The Grid (talk)  20:03, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me expand your horizons. :-) I was just dealing with this earlier today, someone changing climate zones in ten articles before being blocked for block evasion. I am not sure what the attraction is. - Donald Albury 23:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Very, very interesting. – The Grid (talk)  18:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate, again 

message: The mayor declared the city "uninhabitable."  As cleanup will take years, the lede should be adjusted to reflect this tragedy.  I don't know what to suggest about the population - until FEMA begins temporary housing, etc., but I don't think 80,000 people are still wandering around in the rubble ... 50.111.55.190 (talk) 18:00, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have reliable sources in mind, you can edit the article, citing those sources, or, you can list those sources here, so that other editors can use them. Keep in mind, however, WP:NOTNEWS. Donald Albury 18:14, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To echo the same message, city/town articles are about the overall information. The lede is a summary of the article. Also, are you even suggesting that everyone within the city is in rubbles? Interesting for an IP from outside Florida to speak for the locals. – The Grid (talk)  18:23, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Donald Albury @The Grid The IP user might have the same confusion about Fort Myers city vs Fort Myers beach (town) Venkat TL (talk) 18:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I see that, now. It has been more than 60 years since I spent any time in Fort Myers Beach, but I suspect almost all the pictures we have seen in the news are of FMB. Donald Albury 19:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been seeing both Fort Myers Beach with Estero Blvd and downtown Fort Myers with the historic area mentioned in the hours and days after landfall. Definitely more Fort Myers Beach as places were wiped out. Neither place a good turnout. – The Grid (talk)  23:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

text: @Donald Albury yes, all the pic and footage are from FMB. Venkat TL (talk) 09:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  obviously needs update post-Ian 

message: This discussion was originally between me and  on my talk page:
Just for the sake of discussion, I'm not convinced that leaving references to Ian out of the lead is correct. I normally oppose WP:recentism, but that doesn't mean all recent events should be excluded. Ian was far more destructive than Charley, Irma, Donna etc. Given the scale of both damage and the length of time recovery will take, I find it tough to argue that it isn't one of the most notable events in the history of the city and think it probably merits a mention in the lead. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:14, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean but maybe first a section could be made about tropical cyclones that have affected the city? Donna, Charley, Irma, and Ian would be sufficient material. There's also a few storms in the 19th century. I think once we have a foundation in the article, we can then add it to the lede. – The Grid (talk)  18:24, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *Keeping in mind that the article is about the city, Charley, Donna and Irma had minimal effects on the city of Fort Myers. Ian, on the other hand, was very impactful on the city. The storm surge that Ian produced was unprecedented in the Fort Myers area. I don't see how refusing to mention it until there is a section about it is really making the encyclopedia more informative. It feels more to me like being slaved to the MOS and WP:LEAD guidelines. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:39, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

text: *:I am trying to think if there's any city articles that have used a meteorological event in their lede. I don't even think New Orleans did after Katrina. It's really more about consistency. You want to continue this on the talk page for more opinions? – The Grid (talk)  01:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

text: I will note that the 1900 Galveston hurricane, which killed over 6,000 people, appears in the third paragraph of the Galveston, Texas article. On the other hand, the 1926 Miami hurricane, which is often credited with ending the Florida land boom, does not appear in the Miami article until well into the History section. I do think it is still too early to determine how defining Ian will be for the history of Fort Myers. Donald Albury 18:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

text: *The article on Sanibel mentions Ian in the lead, as does Captiva. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

text: *Florida City mentions Andrew in the lead. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:57, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede and Hurricane Ian 

message: Is the history section long enough to justify splitting off with its own article? Amscheip (talk) 03:46, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Split off history to its own article?