Talk:Max Baucus

message: This is a pretty glowing review of Mr. Baucus.  Too bad the other Senator from Montana, Conrad Burns, is not treated with the same respect.
:Not sure when you wrote your comment above, whomever you may be, but I believe at this point, you'd be hard pressed to feel the same way about the current state of this article. CriticalChris 18:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Glowing review of Baucus

message: Why did he change his name? --AW (talk) 07:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: To editor "Will Beback" I'm reverting your efforts to censor this reference to Baucus in The Onion humor/culture newspaper.  The pop culture reference is well sourced, obviously satire, but that doesn't make it any less notable or worthy of deletion.  Now, if one were attempting to place the Onion satire piece into the body of the article where the other serious, legitimate policy analysis and criticisms are found, that would be a different story.  In any event, Baucus is clearly a public figure, and has no reasonable expectations of shielding from even the harshest of ridicule and criticism.  Remember, WP:NOTCENSORED means something here. Should we open an WP:RFC on this issue?  CriticalChris 19:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What does it add to a reader's understanding of the subject? Every politican is satirized. The Onion did a hundred lampoons of George W. Bush, but how many of them are included in that article? None. Did this particular piece achieve any wider notability, say because Baucus joked about it in public or sued or anything like that? Not that I'm aware of. Just because someone makes a joke about a politician doesn't mean we should include the joke in a biography. That is just sound editing, not censorship.   Will Beback  talk   19:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

text: It's worth noting that the material was only added yesterday.   Will Beback  talk   20:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A satirical piece is a case of a periodical making its own news. Because of this, such a piece only becomes notable if other media sources comment on it. The Onion piece is not notable. Binksternet (talk) 22:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Onion 

message: I have a certain suspicion about the subsection, "Conflict of interest charges" since it looks like a WP:CRITicism dumping ground.  However, I do think the general topic is notable to address, and the title seems relatively neutral as a description of what it describes.  However, the section is grossly, grossly WP:UNDUE length.  We have nine paragraphs about Baucus' alleged conflict of interest on the health insurance legislation, currently pending.  That's more than we have on his policy/action on Iraq, Israel, trade, "economic issues", voting rights, gun rights, gay rights, etc. combined. LotLE×talk 22:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skirting [[WP:CRITICISM]] 

message: I think it would be worthwhile to spend a brief paragraph in the introduction stating Baucus' positions on the main issues he has been involved with.  The single short sentence (pro-choice and pro-gun rights) is too little, and indeed it tends to overemphasize those issues over others.  However, something like three moderately long sentences explaining the half dozen or so issues the Senator has been most involved with is common for politician articles, and would give readers a good overview in the lead. LotLE×talk 20:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. His positions and his policies are what the article is mostly about, so it's bad form to exclude them from the introduction. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur also, the substance and style of the article could benefit from a greater number of Baucus' policy positions being mentioned in the lead. CriticalChris 22:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Positions 

message: Beware:
This article is being referenced with youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y9X5ggxzA           not proven correct/not fake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.103.18 (talk • contribs) 04:12, 28 December 2009
The Politico link that footnotes the "intoxicated speech" reference does not definitively claim that Baucus was inebriated and that line should be removed from the Personal section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.162.252.10 (talk) 21:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that. The Politico blog post, which is discussed under videographing section, merely "quotes" from the "[Drudge Report]" for its baseless accusation that the senator was intoxicated but upon reviewing an offered clip, there is no indication to the veracity of such claim. This must be removed immediately.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rilixy (talk • contribs) 14:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock article for non-registered and youtube video 

message: shouldnt there be something about the time he showed up apparently drunk on the senate floor for debate? Crd721 (talk) 01:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  drunk on senate floor 

message: Could someone at least look at the section titled "Voting Rights" and attempt to explain why that section appears to be more of of a monologue someone wrote to support their viewpoint on the DC voting rights issue than anything remotely having to due with Baucus? 24.166.190.216 (talk) 06:39, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. I'm from Montana, and it never came up as an election issue here.--161.7.105.164 (talk) 19:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While it's compelling material, much of it is a bit tangential to an article on Baucus.  I've paired it down a bit, keeping aspects of the material that relate to Baucus' record.  I'm also placing a tag linking readers to the District of Columbia voting rights.  I'd also like to remove the neutrality tag, as I believe it weakens the article.CriticalChris 19:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting rights section 

message: This article starts off well; the lead and background on his early life are both good. However, the majority of the article after that seems to be selective and slanted. The information on Jack Abramoff can stay, but it should not be above his committee assignments or policy stands. It is a rather isolated incident in which there was no wrongdoing, yet it is placed up front. The long section on his girlfriend and a federal judgeship comes next, and is mentioned again in the personal section. The inclusion of this information is fine; the placement above his career achievements seems unwarranted. There are many sections on his votes, yet each one is unconnected to the others and it reads like editors simply put in whatever they thought might be embarrassing or controversial. This is a man who has been in Congress 38 years, so he votes on individual bills are relevant only as they connect to the larger picture. After all, Senator Baucus has voted five or ten thousand times. Picking ten or twenty votes to highlight hints of an agenda. Where he stands on a particular issue or vote is less important than the fact he has served so long and done so much. I invite other editors to consider this and add their thoughts.Catherinejarvis (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
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