Talk:Jay Maisel

message: On June 23, 2011, in revision 435831444, a brand-new editor added an image of the Kind of Blue cover and the Kind of Bloop pixelated version.  The pixelated version was not created by Jay Maisel, and it doesn't fit into this article.  It seems like these new editors are just trying to drag the article into the gutter.  Westeros1994 (talk) 00:08, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but just because you don't like the facts doesn't mean that you get to censor them. The picture very effectively illustrates the differences between the two images, and doesn't break any of wikipedia's rules. I have been on wikipedia for years now, this is the first time I've actually felt compelled to participate actively though. Also, reverting my edits without discussion and deleting my entry on the talk page(!) are against wikipedia policy.narf (talk) 00:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, Assume Good Faith. Also, the article is about Jay Maisel. If Andy Baio's album cover is notable, it should have its own article with the comparison images. Westeros1994 (talk) 01:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the image is pretty important to help understand the incident. It should stay if the incident is mentioned. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 06:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds reasonable to me.  But the incident itself doesn't seem like an important enough fact about Maisel to bear mentioning.  In addition, his thoughts and involvement are totally unknown.  Baio interacted solely with Maisel's lawyers, and Maisel has said/published nothing. Westeros1994 (talk) 08:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Leaving the image sounds reasonable to me, but deleting the entire event does not. Also, is there any source that says the lawyers worked without Maisel's knowledge? 99.137.201.158 (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Yeah, not to imply that the answer means we ought to mention this, but what is your point in saying that Maisel didn't say anything? Are you implying that he didn't know about this action? Does it matter? His lawyer indicated that he was unhappy about the cover. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 16:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

text: The article is about Jay Maisel, which is exactly why the (well-documented) legal action instigated on his behalf should be mentioned here. GreenIsTheWorld (talk) 22:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Maisel commented through his counsel that Maisel "felt violated to find his image of Miles Davis, one of his most well-known and highly-regarded images, had been pixellated". Also, a personal attack on Baio as a "nobody" is irrelevant to the discussion of the copyright case.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenIsTheWorld (talk • contribs) 14:30, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

text: The paragraph that is there now is close to something I will let stand, but I've made a couple of changes: (1) My understanding is that the Bloop album cover was a painting/drawing, not something generated mechanically, so I don't know what the relevance of it being 8-bit is. That I think is just confusing and meaningless to the reader. (2) The phrase "litigated for damages": Is there a source for this? All I know is that the two sides went back and forth for some time. Was there any litigation? Anyway, I've changed the paragraph. Rochkind (talk) 21:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the "8-bit" edit, thanks; much more clear. It's unknown if technically there was any "litigation" - at least I can't find a citation that would be acceptable to other editors at this time. GreenIsTheWorld (talk) 21:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I've been uninvolved with this article heretofore - I'll remove the POV flag unless someone has a reason why it should stay up. A Traintalk 12:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I originally added the tag when the article contained extensive quotes from Andy Baio's blog.  As the article is written now, the text seems neutral to me.  I still think that the image comparison is a undue weight issue.  I'll add a new section below. Westeros1994 (talk) 23:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kind of Blue / Kind of Bloop Album Cover Article Text 

message: What is the reason for this tag? I don't see the POV issue, unless for some reason it is POV to mention the legal action. This feels like it might be an issue wrt undue weight, but I think it is written in a neutral manner. Can someone articulate what the POV issue is? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 00:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been uninvolved with this article heretofore - I'll remove the POV flag unless someone has a reason why it should stay up. A Traintalk 12:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I originally added the tag when the article contained extensive quotes from Andy Baio's blog.  As the article is written now, the text seems neutral to me.  I still think that the image comparison is a undue weight issue.  I'll add a new section below. Westeros1994 (talk) 23:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag 

message: Please do not use Andy Baio's blog (or any other self-pulished source) as a source.  See Wikipedia:V#SELF ("Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people"). Westeros1994 (talk) 00:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I added 5 new sources, including the NY Observer and 4 high distribution blogs. This should satisfy the sources requirement. narf (talk) 00:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not just use bare URLs in citations. Westeros1994 (talk) 00:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably more profitable to just fix them rather than asking on an article talk page. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 05:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andy Baio Blog As a Source 

message: Bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a platform to defame Jay Maisel.  It is an encyclopedia. Westeros1994 (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you implying that it is defamatory to report that someone tried to protect his copyright and artistic integrity? Or make shrewd real estate investments? What are you talking about? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 22:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Are you implying that it is defamatory to report that someone tried to protect his copyright and artistic integrity? Or make shrewd real estate investments?" Not at all.  I was referring to extensive quotes from the personal blog of someone who just paid the article's subject $32,500 in a legal settlement! That section of the article is resolved now. Westeros1994 (talk) 23:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyber-bulling / Not A Soapbox 

message: The "Kind of Bloop" album cover was just the subject of a legal dispute and was added to this article at the same time as extensive quotes from Andy Baio's (the individual who agreed to pay damages to settle the complaint) blog. I think that it's a big undue weight issue to include it in this article, especially since none of Maisel's work other than the "Kind of Blue" cover are shown. Westeros1994 (talk) 23:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kind of Bloop Album Cover Image Comparison 

message: In view of the June 2011 controversy surrounding the copyright precisely of this particular piece, and considering that the rationale therewith indicates, in bold, that such image is meant "solely to illustrate the audio recording in question", it probably should be removed form the Jay Maisel article.yamaplos 04:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Is Jay Maisel Jewish?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.98.149.18 (talk) 04:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Jay Maisel Jewish?

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message: Would it be worth discussing his lawsuit against the creator of Kind of Bloop? Donatj (talk) 03:50, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand your comment. Did you read the rest of this Talk page? This has been extensively discussed here. Also, do you have any evidence that there was a lawsuit? I'm not aware that a Court was involved at all. The parties resolved the matter between themselves. Rochkind (talk) 14:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kind of Bloop Litigation