Talk:Trenton, New Jersey

message: :) Is Trenton's climate really Humid Continental? The climate, to me, seems more comparable to NYC or Phi :)ladelphia, cities that are according to their articles Humid Subtropical. Cities like Portland, Maine, or Minneapolis seem like better examples of a continental climate 76.5.130.156 (talk) 17:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate

message: Anyone interested in beefing up the history section? There's not much from the 20th century. I'm not a Trenton resident, just interested in knowing more. 69.141.83.105 (talk) 00:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: , read the article about the Trenton Six and see whether or not the incident was notable. If you believe that an article about an obscure arrest from 70 years ago is not notable, nominate it for deletion and see what happens. Alternatively, you could try to get consensus here that the sourced material about the incident should be removed from the article. Until then, the article describes a notable and encyclopedic incident that is directly related to Trenton and the city's history and will be restored. Alansohn (talk) 16:38, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

text: , now that the argument against including any information about the Trenton Six has shifted from claims that this is just an obscure incident of run-of-the-mill flawed murder trials, I look forward to working with you to expand the history section of this article. Incidents of this nature are sufficiently infrequent that it is impossible to make any meaningful comparison to the scope or length of any other article, let alone in setting any sort of maximum amount of content. Alansohn (talk) 18:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  More history

message: Had to give my props to my birthplace, so I put in some historical details and external links. This article could use more about the city's history as a manufacturing center. Also, does anyone really think the fact the New Jersey State Prison is there warrants mention? I don't, but left it to appease whomever insists it has to be included. - User:Alcarillo 22:00 23 Apr 2004 UTC
: I removed substantial portions of the text added by 200.141.125.175 for two reasons: 1) it wasn't germane to the article about the city, 2) possible copyright violation as it was a verbatim post from http://www.handsworth.org.uk/history/. Alcarillo 18:54, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info added 

message: Hi, I've been a big fan of Wikipedia for years, and just today created an account for myself.
My comment is more of a general question:
I live in Trenton, NJ, in the East Ward, and I was wondering about how this location received the distinction of being "arguably the worst section of the city"? 
I am new to this part of town, having just moved here in September. In that time, I've seen some "interesting" stuff, but a comment like "arguably the worst section of the city" seems off-the-cuff, especially since there are no sources quoted to back it up.
I've been an on-again, off-again resident of the city (and area) for most of my adult life, so I'm pretty familiar with the different wards. I'm not necessarily disputing what the original author said about the east ward, but I'm just wondering if you can post some information to back up the "arguably the worst section of the city" claim?
We bought our East Ward house this summer because the neighborhood seemed nice, and the general area (Greenwood/Hamilton) seemed to be improving. But perhaps we were wrong?!
Thanks!
:::Arguably, it sounds like the North Ward is the worst. However, the East Ward, with its Walnut Avenue, is a close second.Lestrade 22:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  source material for information about the Wards 

message: I believe I speak for all Wiki's when I say, if you are sure about a mistake in the article, by all means fix it.
That being said...  having grown up in Greater Trenton, I can attest that East Ward is indeed the worst side of town.  Its the most run down, and I usually avoid driving through that section of town at night. 
Besides this...  I truly wonder if having information on the 'wards' is meaningful at all, especially the part about disputes arising between residents due to ward differences.  It just seems like an article on Trenton, while being honest, might not necessarily delve into the criminal elements if it doesn't delve as deeply into more positive aspects of the city. - User:Famartin 05:15 UTC 30 Nov 2004
The 12th district is improperly labeled: It shouldn't say "Morris County and Morris County". That county is not in the 12th district nor, obviously, should it be repeated. That is a label problem with NJ Congress 12, which I cannot fix.
::I do think delineating the wards is useful; it's a small city, and many residents identify with their wards. But it's not particularly helpful to label a part of town as "best" or "worst" based on your lack of willingness to drive through said part of town at night. Maybe you lived in the part of Greater Trenton that bordered the East Ward, and so you didn't get to see with regularity what was going on in say, the West Ward? Best and worst are subjective, and open to debate, depending on what we base our ideas of best and worst. I would contend that perhaps since there are more homicides in the North and West Wards, that perhaps they're "the worst." There has been an increase in the reports of assaults in the South Ward, lately, too. There is an area in the West Ward that the police supposedly don't even patrol anymore because it's too far gone. I live in the East Ward and I feel pretty safe, at any given time of the day. But I'm not the type of person to hang out on Walnut Avenue. I suspect it's the same for people in the other wards, too: for example, if you're not walking up and down Passaic Street to buy drugs, you're probably in good shape. For the average, law-abiding citizen, I think all of the wards are reasonably safe. Labeling any area as best or worst doesn't tell the whole, rich story of this city. There are colorful, fantastic establishments and landmarks in every part of this city that make each ward proud, and while it would be irresponsible to talk those places up without addressing the crime, it does just as much of a grave disservice to focus on which parts of the city one should avoid at night. -- Ottseetotsee 01:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no "worst" wards in Trenton. The reason for this is that each ward is as bad as the others.Lestrade 02:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To All Trenton Editors 

message: The info listed under "Noted Residents" partly duplicates the info listed under "Well-known Americans" in the "Reference" section.Lestrade 22:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant

message: User:Alansohn deleted the following two sentences:
"The introduction of the River LINE light rail train has made it easy and inexpensive for criminals to travel between Camden and Trenton. This has resulted in an increase in drug traffic and related crimes." This is common knowledge to residents of Trenton and is of vital concern to their well-being.Lestrade 12:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research or important information?

message: The article incorrectly refers to the West Ward as "West Trenton."  The actual West Trenton is not in Trenton, but in next-door Ewing Township.  Trentonians refer to the West Ward as (drum roll...) "the West Ward."
The article also refers to the wards as "neighborhoods," which they are not.  They are simply convenient rough geographical divisions of the city.
Finally, a list of manufactures includes "..., wire, rope, ..."; this may be a mistaken gloss of "wire rope", which is used to make cables.  One of Trenton's claims to fame is making the cables for the Brooklyn Bridge. --George from Trenton
Another important note about wards -- the article describes Chambersburg as being in the South Ward.  While a small portion of Chambersburg extends into the South Ward, the majority of it is in the East Ward.  I'm on the executive board of the Chambersburg Civic Association, so I'm quite sure of this. 96.248.99.126 (talk) 22:12, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wards vs. Neighborhoods 

message: Yes, I understand that officially, Trenton is part of the NYC metro area.  HOWEVER, it has more transportation and communication connections with Philly/Delaware Valley...  I-95, I-295 and US 1 all go SOUTHWEST toward Philly, plus its the end of the SEPTA Northeast Corridor line.  Plus, most of the Philly TV newscasts have a Trenton Bureau, unlike most of the NYC TV newscasts.  Not to mention the simple fact that Trenton is 30 miles from Philly and 60 miles from New York City...
So, I'm wondering why that information was removed?  I'm putting it back in... Famartin 18:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delaware Valley versus New York (Metro areas) 

message: A long time ago, I created stub articles for many folks named John Taylor, including John Taylor (Taylor Ham), and the Taylor Opera House in Trenton.   The opera house article was just given a "proposed deletion" tag and I cleaned it up and removed the tag, but I thought people interested in Trenton might have more to add to the article on the Opera House and the man who created it, to stave off future deletion attempts.   Please have a look and expand them if you can -- thanks!  — Catherine\talk 17:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taylor 

message: I created a new section, "Media," and added information about the newspaper of Trenton, The Times.  Would someone please add local television information if you deem it relevant?  Thanks. 71.125.86.230 (talk) 22:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local Media 

message: The population in 2006 is 8.7 million people that is what i figuered out on other websites this is a good website but also go on the website www.50 states.com there is every state there on the website  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.253.11.113 (talk) 23:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's impossible.  Trenton is only 8 square miles and there is no way 8.7 million people could squeeze into that.  8.7 is not Trenton.  8.7 is NYC.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.54.103 (talk) 20:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that the 8.7 million figure is clearly not for Trenton itself.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Jersey , Trenton 

message: The date in the first sentence of the article seems suspect ("Trenton dates back at least to June 3, 1790, when mention was made of a constable being appointed for Trenton").  It is later than some of the other dates, and does not seem to have a ref.  Nor is it reflected in the article's body.  If someone has time/interest, they may want to review it.  Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it back to 1719, which was the date there before this edit. Peter E. James (talk) 20:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Tx much.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date in first sentence 

message: While the Trenton Commons experiment deserves mention in the article, I deleted the paragraph dedicated to it here. It was entirely unsourced, and written in an unencyclopedic fashion. If anyone can find reference material to cite and document it in a neutral point of view, please do so.--Chimino (talk) 12:03, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trenton Commons 

message: Under "Sports", I'm changing the name of the stadium to Arm & Hammer Park, which is the current name.  Elsquared (talk) 02:15, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  name of stadium 

message: Are we now adding all the Governors of New Jersey and members of the New Jersey Senate and federal judges for the District of New Jersey United States District Court to the notables from Trenton, New Jersey. The only one I see now is Chris Christie. My guess he spends more time at fast-food restaurants than at his office in Trenton. Other than governor, he has no association with the city. It would be easier to add the categories :Category:Governors of New Jersey under :Category:Trenton, New Jersey than to add all the governors and all the state senate members and state and federal judges. The official governor's residence is in Princeton, New Jersey, not in Trenton. Anyone else have an opinion? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No more or no less than the previous 54 governors. And of course every other state. And of course every other president of the US and every head of state for every other country, and let us not forget county officials. This is where a category is best. You can put the governors under Trenton and under Princeton. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:43, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "DC" doesn't have a list of notables, so no, you're not going to add Obama there.  But if DC did have a list of notables, you'd likely still not put Obama there.  That's because Trenton is the only state capitol on Wikipedia which invites the addition of notable people who are "closely associated with" the city.  Those three words--"closely associated with"--enable editors to add notables who were never born or lived there, but merely had a "close association" with the place.  This New Jersey invention--that close association gets you onto a place's notable list--is a brilliant invention, because now just about ANYBODY who an editor can prove a "close association" gets to stay in the article.  In its broadest sense it could include musicians and artists who have never lived or worked in a place, but in some way have had a "close association" with the place (maybe they wrote a hit song about Trenton?)  Consensus here and in other places certainly is in agreement that the governor is closely associated with the state capitol, so yes, I do plan on adding the rest of the governors to this article.  I hope you'll join me!  Thanks.  Magnolia677 (talk) 01:34, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So you are disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. Now I understand. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't accuse me of being disruptive.  How many New Jersey articles have you added lately?  Magnolia677 (talk) 03:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? What does one have to do with the other? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Magnolia, just stop.  I agree with you on some things, but on this you are just totally wrong. Famartin (talk) 21:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Perhaps you can enlighten New Jersey editors regarding the definition of "close association".  In 49 other states on Wikipedia, editors follow the definition outlined in the US city guidelines, which states that notable people are "any famous or notable individuals that were born, or lived for a significant amount of time, in the city".  It doesn't mention "close association".  In my experience, New Jersey is the only place that invites the addition of people who are "closely associated".  So, please define what a close association means?  Some examples would help too.  If not, just follow the US guideline and remove that vacuous and problematic wording.  Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Notables

message: I am NOT reviewing this article for good article status. I am also not making comprehensive comments about the nomination. However, a little hint. Look at the history and see if it is missing some notable facts.  Is there any coverage about the last 100 years, 1916-2016? If not or not too much, do you think there should be? TeacherA (talk) 18:23, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  good article comments 

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message: I happened to notice that this list was quite long, so I took it on myself to organize it by occupation, similar to the way other city pages do. I hope I did it correctly. If people like it, there may be a few other occupations to add, such as "religion", to try to reduce the "other" category still more. If people hate this organization, feel free to revert. 
The other thing I've noticed is that places with a lot of notables sometimes have a separate "People from xxx" page, and just put a few of the most important in the city article.Peter Flass (talk) 15:46, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people