Talk:Forge

message: I would propose this article and that on blacksmith be reworked.
"Forge" is a noun describing first a device/mechanism for heating metal specifically so it can be shaped by deformation of one kind or another. From the device comes the name "forge" for a smithy or blacksmith shop or a factory (where the word would be synonymous with "ironworks"). "Forging" being a verb is about the processes of shaping metal as well as creating counterfiet documents. "Forging" does not necessarily involve a "forge". I believe between the two articles, blacksmithing and forge, which cover about the same topics there could arise some confusion.
I would propose the following reorganization for clarity:
# The article on "forge" be rewritten to make it more exclusive to the noun meaning device/mechanism for heating. It should contain links to "forging" and "blacksmithing".
# "Forging" should be established as an article to deal briefly with the aspects of the verb forge/forging (with a recommended link to "forgery" and creating a "forgery" article if it does not exist). This article should have at least three sections:
#* a section defining the verb and giving an overview
#* a section devoted to industrial forging
#* a brief section on forging as a "hand craft" with a link to "blacksmithing"
#* a brief section on "forge" and "forging" as related to "forgery" with a link to that article.
# "blacksmithing" should be an article on it's own and that article should cover the aspects of "forging" which are more hand craft (I hesitate for some reason to use the term "handicraft") as opposed to topics like drop forging and machining which are more industrial processes.
I believe the foregoing reorganization would fairly logically move elements of each of the articles into groupings that would present the topics involved more intelligibly.
I suspect that the article "blacksmith" should be separated and linked into this reorganization as well.
Comments and replies and discussion are always welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erraunt (talk • contribs) 16:25, 25 August 2005
: I've seen no replies or further comments since my previous posting in August. Therefore unless I hear objections I will commence to move elements under "Forging" in this article to that topic, and link to "forge" rather than redirect.
: I also intend to adjust the opening paragraphs of this article to clarify the several uses of the term "forge". Erraunt 19:53, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article also confuses forges with forging hammers and presses. A forge is a metal heating furnace or the shop where the work ocurs. Hammers and presses are forging hammers and forging presses, eg. Drop-forging is done with a drop-hammer. Heat sources and forming tools should be seperate categories under equipment in the article. Fciron 15:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed reworking 

message: anon (65.60.182.89) edited the Forge#Forging section by adding the following (red) statement:
Forging results in metal that is stronger than cast or machined metal parts. This is because during forging the metals grain flow changes such that is stronger and more ductile.(note that there is no evidence to support this and it is a common myth)
while ductility may be in question, I'd have thought the strength benefits of forging were undisputed, certainly  when compared to older casting methods. However thought ain't fact so, can anyone with more expertise in the field or access to good references reword and, preferably, reference this paragraph? — Graibeard 23:43, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon edit 

message: blacksmiths are not here today because we now have factories that makes the metal. In medieval times, people would have blacksmiths make their weapons for them, and in return, they would get charcoal from the lord.  The stronger the metal was, the better the blacksmith was.  Usually more people would come to the blacksmith whose metal is strong enought to go through a person without losing it's head.
Factories do the same think blacksmiths do, only they are more complex, and dont break down as easily.  Blacksmiths could get tired and decide to quite, while factory machines dont ever quit, they keep on going. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.172.55.152 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 7 June 2006
Blacksmiths in mediaeval times did not by-and-large make weapons. I have no problem with weapons but I wish people would stop getting confused between blacksmiths and bladesmiths (and farriers come to that). They produced domestic items; fire dogs, fire tools, cooking items, belt knives, fire-strikers etc. etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.255.242 (talk) 20:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blacksmiths not here anymore 

message: It should be made clear that:
A "smithy" is a building, in which a "smith" practices his/her craft. 
A "forge" is a tool used to contain and control the fire used in this craft. A forge is housed in, and a necessary adjunct to, a smithy.
The art of 'working metal at/in the forge' was shortened to the verb "forging".
68.37.59.70 02:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Semantically this may possibly be correct, but the position is not quite so simple.  Smithy is also the vernacular for a bloomery.  Forge can also refer to the whole building of a plating forge or finery forge.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Forge/smithy

message: I believe it may be useful to add a list of forging companies sorted by geogpraphical location.  I think this could become long, so it should be on a seperate page. Celiksanayi 14:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This might be a better idea to add to the Forging article Wizard191 (talk) 21:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am far from sure that this is a good idea, as it would attract linkspam from every working blacksmith.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I suggest adding a "List of Forging Companies" 

message: Bold text  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.220.15.146 (talk) 14:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FORGE WORK 

message: This article seems like it could use at least a summary explanation of different designs of fireboxes, or at least an explanation of the firebox, as well as an explanation of clinker and clinker breakers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.17.115.253 (talk) 15:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firebox 

message: I corrected a mistake in the description of drop forging. The article incorrectly said the name comes from the dropping of the workpiece into the forge. It does not. The name comes from freely dropping the hammer onto the workpiece. The hammer is carefully aligned with the anvil, and constrained by the machine to fall onto the workpiece. But once released there is nothing but gravity moving the hammer. The alternative is called Press Forging. In this process the forging machine forces the two halves of the die together using hydraulic rams or some other power source.
Nick Beeson (talk) 18:42, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drop Forging 

message: I have in the past probably contributed to this article.  I came here, wondering whether to revert some recent edits, which I have decided not to do.  As it currently stands, it is almost wholly devoted to blacksmith's shops, and their larger scale equivalents.  However blacksmiths shops are not the only thing that are called forges.  Other kinds of forges are involved in making iron.  Perhaps confusingly the vernacular term for a water powered bloomery forge is also a "smithy".  We also have finery forges, covered in this article by a title and main link.  However the term is also applied in processes used in the subsequent period for rolling (in the "forge train") iron from the puddling furnace and later (mild steel) processes into long products.  How do we resolve this issue? Peterkingiron (talk) 11:03, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment