Talk:Gender marking in job titles

message: The "Generally accepted writing coventions" section needs to be redone to conform to NPOV.  First, I think the title should be changed, unless good evidence can be provided to show that these conventions are indeed "generally accepted" throughout the English speaking world.
More importantly, when ever it says that something "should" be done, it should be rephrased with a qualifier - like "according to gender-neutral standars this should or shouldn't be done."  For example at the begining where it says "Gender-neutral job titles should be used, especially to refer to hypothetical persons..."  That should be changed to something like  "proponents of gender-neutral language feel that gender-neutral job titles should be used..."
--Blackcats 20:23, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely. Ruakh 03:22, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the changes discussed here. I removed the NPOV flag... let's see what happens. Feco 21:17, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV Issues

message: Most words adding the -man suffix derive from the Old English usage, which is gender neutral, and is roughly equivalent to "person", and used to describe people.  The most basic descriptions being "wyfman" (female person) and "waepman" (male person).  81.104.165.184 18:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  -man suffix 

message: IF A LADY IS ELECTED AS MAYO OF CITY SHOULD WE CALL HER LADY MAYOR OR MAYORESS OR SIMPLY MAYOR  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.248.70.235 (talk) 14:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First, she might not appreciate you shouting like that.  Second, I'd suggest "mayor" unless she asks to be called otherwise. -- Smjg (talk) 18:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

text: If a woman becomes a mayor, she's just 'mayor' unless she chooses 'mayoress' instead. If she accedes to a post that's otherwise 'lord mayor', I think she normally becomes 'lady mayor', unless she chooses 'lord mayor' or 'lady mayoress'. Under normal (admittedly conservative) circumstances, the title 'mayoress' implies the wife of a male mayor. AlexTiefling (talk) 09:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here in the Borough of Charnwood, possibly in other place as well, a mayoress is the female consort of a mayor, whether married or not. -- Smjg (talk) 22:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  LADY MAYOR OR MAYORESS 

message: As is common with these gender/race language issues, the people that actually care about such things (e.g. feminists, politicians, and anyone else trying to be politically correct) are better represented than the common person. This makes sense because they talk about it the most and thus their opinions are the easiest to find references for, however I think it gives their view undue weight. It gives multiple reasons why people dislike the terms but it fails to give more than one reason why most people continue to use them and find them acceptable. Even the one reason that is given is pretty weak: replacing the historical terms everywhere they appear (in documents, etc.) would be difficult and expensive, or that it is unnecessary. I never heard that argument before. Is it suggesting that by accepting these new genderless names we would have go back and rewrite history? No, the most common argument is that the terms are gender-neutral to begin with. This view is present when the article talks about women demanding to be called fisherman (and actors), but it is being treated as a "special case" like these females that fish are unique in this aspect. What about the linguistic and historical arguments? That the -man suffix simply means it's a person or of the species Homo sapiens (homo = man, btw)? The most obvious examples are human and woman. 75.4.145.158 (talk) 19:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balance 

message: It seems that this article is not (and should not be) specifically about gender-specific titles, but covers both gender-specific and gender-neutral titles (as well as cases where it might be debatable whether or not they're gender-specific). Can we therefore think of a better title for the article? Something like Gender marking in job titles?? Victor Yus (talk) 08:34, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm moving this. If anyone objects or has a better idea, please move back or forth as applicable. Victor Yus (talk) 08:17, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

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message: I think these should be included somewhere, if only under "see also".
*Lady#Usage for info on landlady etc.
Obsolete job titles:
*Washerwoman or laundress
*Charwoman or charlady
Current jobs:
*Tea lady
*Lunch lady or dinner lady
Carbon Caryatid (talk) 17:54, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples of gendered job titles, often with Wikipedia articles