Talk:Embedded system

message: The first picture displayed in this article details the internal architecture of a router. It would be more useful if that picture is inserted in the article about router. User : Anoop anooprs 14:51, 04 November 2007 (GMT)
The picture clearly is inadequate: "An embedded system is a computer system with a dedicated function within a larger mechanical or electrical system". May I ask what the mechanical or electrical system is in which the router is embedded?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.246.191.23 (talk) 21:02, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of the first picture

message: The third paragraph explains that cell phones and handheld computers are not truly embedded systems, but the list of example embedded systems includes these items.  Also, by the same explanation of being too general in purpose, game consoles and PDAs probably don't qualify as embedded systems.
:Is it OK now? Please sign your discussion edits. Aaron Lawrence 15:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction in list of example embedded systems

message: How exciting! B class! Hm ... I wonder what it needs to be A class ... probably more references. "has some gaps or missing elements or references, needs editing for language usage and/or clarity, balance of content," Can't disagree with that. Aaron Lawrence 11:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: B Class

message: This page is definately more organized than before, but the content is so superficial for many of the topics that it would not be a bad idea to link to secondary pages for many of them. For example, reliability in embedded systems could definately use its own page, as it is it gets a paragraph. Anyone with experience in ES will have to agree, the overall ES content in wikipedia is weak. While I don't advocate making this page into a WWII size megapage, I do think that many of the areas should have their own pages.  Thomaslw 22:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Reliability has more than one paragraph now though. If you have the knowledge to write the page, go ahead and do so! I would guess that it is quite a niche area. Plus it's the old problem of finding engineers who can write well :) Aaron Lawrence 14:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, there are many whole books dedicated to the subject of Embedded Systems.  The majority of additional sub topics within Embedded Systems should probably be their own pages.  See the discussion below on debugging.  Are we really writing a book here? ;) EM1SS&CSE 15:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  hehe yeah I don't advocate making a book, but it would be nice to see ES having its own section of wikipedia so to speak! Plus all of us in ES know how misunderstood our domain is. I mean people use cell phones, Ipods, berries, video game systems, whatever, and think it's some magic box. And then when you go 'oh I work in embedded systems' they give you a blank stare. "What's that?" You guys know what I mean! Anyway I would definately like to expand this section to contain comprehensive content for the major sections, and perhaps just enough detail to give experienced engineers enough of a background where they can go 'oh okay." As it is the only other major subpage I can find is RTOSes, or embedded OS, but there is just so much in embedded systems! Thomaslw 23:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not opposed in making this into a 'book' per se, might actual be a career enhancement.  ;)  I’m not sure we would all be able to agree on some of the terminology, as I’ve heard things differently in each industry involved with embedded systems.  I think it might be an interesting collaborative effort.  Plus having it in the open domain ensures it will be updated for more timely items as the industry changes. Who hates reading an outdated book? (raises hand). 199.64.0.252 19:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  Ok, looks like not too much interest in this regard. ;) How do you guys propose we break up the sections to more meaningful Wiki subjects? EM1SS&CSE 15:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dunno. I'm not sure this is all fit content for WP. Bearing in mind WP:NOT#IINFO perhaps we don't need much more because it starts to stray into training manuals and such.Aaron Lawrence 09:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Secondary Pages should be created

message: http://microcontrollershop.com/An%20Embedded%20Tools%20Introduction.php  Article on tools used to develop code for Embedded Systems
could also serve as a reference for some of the debugging/software sections of Wikipedia ES article.
http://www.ucpros.com/Newsletter.htm  - Embedded System News Digest, Embedded System Industry News in a concise format.
Cwatti (talk) 01:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New External Link Suggestions 

message: An "embedded system" is a bit of hardware that does something.  A "virtual machine" is a software programming concept. Maybe Java virtual machines are used to program embvedded systems, but at most shoulnd't that be mentioned under "software architectures", if at all?  And it needs a reference (and the rest of the article needs references). --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:19, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Software vs hardware

message: I think it's more accurate to say that an embedded system is a computer embedded in a system or embedded computing function within a system. Saying it's a computing system sounds like computing is its primary function. It's a lot like calling a car a "motor." Oicumayberight (talk) 19:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a computer system (i.e., processor, memory, and I/O units, together with suitable software/firmware) that is embedded into some larger system, whose main purpose will usually be something other than computation. As far as I can tell, that's essentially what the current article lead is is saying. Note that the focus of the article is the embedded system itself, not on any larger system (such as a car) that it might be a part of. Hqb (talk) 21:28, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A general purpose computer is a computer system too, but it's distinguished from an embedded system. What's unique about an embedded system is that it's part of a larger system. Oicumayberight (talk) 06:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's arguably what "embedded" means. But it doesn't really have to be part of a larger system. For example, a typical small router is little more than a computer with a larger-than-usual number of network interfaces. What makes it an embedded system is not so much that it's part of a larger system. but that it's performing a very specialized function – even though the hardware is often perfectly capable of running a full general-purpose operating system like Linux and a complement of apps. Likewise, a typical consumer GPS navigation device is essentially also just a small tablet computer, only equipped with a GPS receiver, and constrained to run a particular map/navigation application. Again, I think the current version of the article lead explains the distinction quite well. Hqb (talk) 08:21, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So if I were to designate a general purpose computer to serve only one function (like streaming music), would it be an embedded system? Oicumayberight (talk) 18:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Computer system vs system with a computing function 

message: very closely related overlapping subjects., best handled together  DGG ( talk ) 06:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong Oppose Clearly different topics. Your hot tub controller is an embedded system, which might use a microprocessor with embedded self-test instrumentation in it - but that's on a chip scale, not on a system scale.  Embedded instrumentation is for testing chips - embedded systems are computers that control devices. --Wtshymanski (talk) 17:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

text: Strong Oppose It appears to be closer to Joint Test Action Group.  • Sbmeirow • Talk • 18:54, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Embedded Instrumentation]]