Talk:Shadow the Hedgehog/Archive 4

message: I believe that there should be a criticism section for Shadow the Hedgehog, seeing as out of Japan, he is very disliked.
Klaus Kratchet Feb. 4, 2007
*And yet, the official polls claim him as the second most popular character. Hm.
::*Criticism sections are a can of worms. In some cases I see a use for them, in others they just spiral out of control as everyone adds every nitpick going. There's no doubting Shadow is a controversial character. Older fans tend to see him as a cheap annoying angst character trying to attract the emo/punk rock market, younger fans see him as this awesome character who the series would die without. There's also the fans, like myself, who try not to lean towards either extreme. There are things I like and dislike about the character. For this article though I'm not seeing much point in highlighting fan response to the character. As said, official response at least implies he's fairly popular. A criticism section will just lead to edit wars. We've already had Shadow fans blank the Sonic page to put nonsense like "Sonic sucks, long live Shadow!". We shouldn't be fanning the flames.--HellCat86 15:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, I don't see a problem lisitng the "controversial" aspects of the character (such as the fact that he's a "black" hedgehog, and he uses a gun--as pointed out by VGCats).  We just need to make sure that there's decent sources for anything said.  In my opinion, no criticism is as bad as random nitpicking.  King Zeal 15:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism Section

message: As a joke i searchd HYPER Shadow and it brought me straght to Shadows page. im a bit confused so can someone tell me how this happend.62.31.120.177 22:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Odd link

message: Shouldn't there be some mention of the events with Shadow in the new online version of STC? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.137.121.11 (talk) 15:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  STC-O! 

message: In recent games, like Sonic The Hedgehog Shadow and Rouge act more like Heroes, rather than anti-heroes. Should they be in the heroes section.
Not really. Shad only saves people (sans Maria, Rouge, and possibly Omega), because it has to be done, not because he wants to. That's completely different from Sonic. And Rouge, she usually only does something heroic if she profits from it (jewels, the Mater Emerald, yada yada yada). So...yep, while they might show heroic qualities, they're still anti-heroes. ChromeWulf ZX 20:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heroes???

message: How can I fix it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chao9999 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd, the picture on the top is messed up, and I didn't touch it! 

message: The person who keeps mentioning ShaodwxTikal is partially right. The two are often featured together. If you go on YouTube and put in Shadow Tikal, you'll get quite a bit of slides, although most of them are done by the same person.71.209.183.185 23:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lovelife 

message: How is Shadow Eggman's uncle? I get the whole 'adopted father' bit- Gerald Robotnik, but Uncle to Eggman? Are you sure? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.47.69.6 (talk) 19:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eggman's Uncle? 

message: 207.74.196.20 has made some changes which seem to be reverting to some prior version, although I'm not quite sure which one. Some of the phrasing seems better in that version, but it also contains extraneous external links and lacks section headings. I've reverted these changes twice, but I suppose it's best to discuss them here rather than doing it again. So, colleagues, what do you think? --Sopoforic 18:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by 207.74.196.20 

message: People keep saying that in Shadow the Hedgehog multiplayer, the black and red android is the real shadow. Not only is there no official evidence that he is the real shadow, but the manual AND the official website state that all the characters in multiplayer are androids. But people keep reverting my edits that it is also an android like the others. MindWraith 02:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shadow Adroids

message: I saw this text within Shadow's wiki page:
He also gets constipated every Monday and likes the color purple, as it is his favorite color.... OF THE RAINBOW!!!!--203.99.237.39 08:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's vandalism. It happens. Just remove it. --InShaneee 14:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Not really.  He does think of himself as the best thing since sliced bread and cream cheese.  What do you think the whole "ultimate life form" bit was about? XDGrandMasterGalvatron 15:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Vandalism

message: Some interesting data from Sonic Rivals's script:
NEGA: Heh heh heh... I'm here to change my destiny! I come from a long line of brilliant scientists, but that lineage was disrupted with Dr. Eggman's failures! As a result, I have been denied my destiny as the world has refused to recognize my brilliance!
So by removing Dr. Eggman's life and failed attempts as success, I will alter our family history forever!  Now enough of this chit-chat.  Once I set Rouge's card into the rocket, it's all over!  Just relax and enjoy the moment...For it will be your last!
Now if you'll just excuse me... Heh heh heh...
Shadow: Not so fast Eggman NEGA! That card's mine!
Apparently, Shadow's repeated saves of Rouge are not mission based.  This seems to be even more proof that there is something going on between the two of them.  Where it goes is an opinionated guess, but perhaps this could be used in the article?GrandMasterGalvatron 17:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shadow and Rouge

message: F.Y.I. people who don't completely read the info for Shadow, it says for 2 player mode, "All the Androids CLAIM to be the REAL Shadow, even though they're all androids." So read all the things under Shadow the Hedgehog, like I did, then complain!!! Any questions, E-mail me at     melody_the_hedgehog@yahoo.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.219.68.130 (talk) 19:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shadow Androids 

message: We really don't need a view stating that Shadow is on "thin ice" with certain characters.
The only one that would really apply to "Neutral" is Eggman.Nick McMillen 03:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral 

message: Please stop reverting so many edits.
If you have a conflict with another editor, please do it here (in the talk page). Nick McMillen 20:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing Warground 

message: I removed the image, it has no use. The article already has enough pictures, that one just makes it take a BIT more time to load, and satisfy some fans. We don't need it. -Chao9999 23:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Mobius: 50 years later image 

message: I was wondering when Shadow took off his rings on his wrists and prepares his ultimate attack, what kind of an attack is it called and how many promises did Shadow keep from his first appearance to the Next Generation?
                                      ---James
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.244.4.168 (talk) 02:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The rings of Shadow 

message: Shadow's birthday is probably June 23, 1950. As for his age, why don't we put it like this: 15:56 or 15/56. Also, it may be possible that Shadow doesn't age in anything except the mind. That would mean he would still be called 15, even now.207.74.196.20 14:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthday and Age 

message: I think we should have a section with quotes for Shadow. I just think that if we create one, they must be verifable (not neccesarily needing a citation, someone just needs to be able to say (other than the person who posted the quote) yeah thats true, and anyone can add or delete quotes if they feel they aren't quotes which are important or that they missed one. I'll start immediately.
No, that's what Wikiquote is for. There's a Sonic section where you can add anything Shadow says. Gurko 19:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes Section 

message: Ok..The little in-universe box of the place for all official data...specifically Sonic Channel's data as that's one of the few valid hard citations.
So, to spell it out, Sonic Channel says:
:Real name : Shiyadou za Hejjihoggu
:English name : Shadow the Hedgehog
:Nickname : Shiyadou 
:Classification : Hedgehog
:Gender : Male
:Height : 100 cm
:Weight : 35 kg
:Favorite things : None
:Loathed things: Mankind in general
:Special skills: Chaos Control * Chaos Blast * Chaos Spear
Please note, that his nickname is Shadow, not "the ultimate life form".  Also, it says his "classification" is Hedgehog.  There's nothing in there about Black Doom or whatever.
Also, he has THREE cited special skills and NOTHING ELSE.  Lastly, he has no age.
This is official hard cited data, and as I personally rewrote that part to include Sonic Channel data ONLY, that it what will go there and nothing else.  That means none of that age crap, or none of that brithplace shit because it's fancruft and original research.  I think I'm going to make it clearer that that section is to be reserved for Sonic Channel data only.
Also, so you know, I'll be forcibly removing anything that's not in line with the above.  kthnxbaiGrandMasterGalvatron 19:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profile Data 

message: I removed the comment about Shadow's jump sound effect, because really, who cares? It doesn't give you any information on Shadow or his skills, it's not important, it's not interesting, it may not even be a permanent feature, it doesn't cite a source, it's just something somebody felt like tacking in. If MORE than ONE person thinks it should go back, feel free. 86.17.124.125 15:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ..well..I thought it was interesting when I heard it XD.  Then again, I like little odd things like that (like I notice how Metal In DX uses Egg Robo's engine sounds from SA2).  But you're right..it doesn't belong here.  Though I wish there was a place that would archive all these neat tidbits XDGrandMasterGalvatron 16:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Do we really need to give a detailed recap of each game Shadow was in (as this will get cluttered as he appears more), why not just a quick summery of important events from the games that are nessacary to know if just being introduced to the Sonic francise in two or three paragraphs. For example:
paragraph 1: Shadow's intro-his memory tampering and other important stuff pertaining to Shadow from SA2
paragraph 2: His return in Heroes and over coming amnesia in ShTH, with quick reference at end to how he is now (working with Rouge and GUN to "bring hope to humanity" with the possiblity of being betrayed by the very same ppl he looks to help mentioned in STH06--this parenthases part could be paragraph 3 if 2 gets too long)
Yes. I agree, we should. --Coconutfred73 01:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too much in games

message: Again folks, Shadow is not, I repeat NOT Sonic's arch-rival.  That role belongs to Dr. Eggman and Dr. Eggman alone.  Everyone else is just a regular rival. ThanksGrandMasterGalvatron 15:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shadow's just a rival 

message: I noticed that someone reverted an edit about an "Electra the hedgehog" on this page.  A short time ago, I reverted a similar edit about "Flames the hedgehog" on Silver's page.  This reminds me of that "Angel the Cat" vandal, and I do not want to go through this again... let's find this vandal and warn him!  --Luigifan 11:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the "Flames the Hedgehog" vandal just tried to re-insert it, this time mentioning Electra as Flames's sister.  It was reverted again by another user, but it proves that these vandal attacks are related somehow... and that the vandal in question is rather persistent. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigifan (talk • contribs) 22:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that something similar happened with Angel...  I think I'm going to speak with UnDeRsCoRe now.  --Luigifan 11:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: No, it's not "official". Besides, they won't stop just because you say so here. Just revert what you see, and don't get angry for no reason. Gurko 09:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have actually invented a fancharacter who is Tails's romantic interest, but I won't mention any other details, because Wikipedia is not the place for that sort of thing.  --Luigifan 01:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angel the Cat deja vu 

message: http://img.search.com/thumb/2/27/ME0000572321_2.jpg/280px-ME0000572321_2.jpg
I would put it on, but I don't know how to do so. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.218.92.64 (talk) 08:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The current one is more recent. Gurko 09:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: I think we should cut it down a bit. Gurko 09:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge "major interactions" section 

message: Bold text Is Silver Shadow's Son?? It is possible ya know? Here's How!:
1. Silver has that "Destroy anything in my way" Shadow trait
2. Silver has black lines on the side of his eyes
3. Silver has a lot of physical strength
4. He natuarly has Chaos Control (not as natural as Shadow's though, probally 'cause of his mom)
5. Silver is unsecure at times, like shadow.
it can be true!!! --Shadow'ssonsilver 04:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, this isn't a message board guys. --Zikar 16:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Silver Shadow's Son?!? 

message: I heard that in Shadow the hedgehog (game), SEGA hid some extra Chaos Abilities that you have to earn or find. Proven examples Chaos Spear (get Super Shadow by defeating all ten normal endings. Only usable while playing as Supe Shad.), and Chaos Blast and Control (simply fill the bar). However, I've heard there are a couple more, and I wanted to know from somebody if they're true. "Chaos Revenge" fill your hero bar and dark bar almost simultaneously, and use the "Chaos button". The move will be called Chaos Revenge by Shadow, and he will warp like chaos control and blast like blast simultauneously. Could someone who has an AR or is really good check that one? And "Chaos Nightmare" replaces the third combe punch ith the attack button when unarmed. Found in a level, similar to the level up items of SONIC ADVENTURE. Does more damage than a standard attack. I thought i heard that it was on Cosmic Fall, or GUN Fortress, but I'm not sure. (THIS IS ALL STUFF I'VE HEARD, SO DON'T QUOTE ME) Also, I heard that you can get a "Chaos Homing Attack" which doubles the damage done by the homing attack, and is found similar to the above attack. No doubt these are bull crap, but could somebody check if they have the game, and especially if they have an AR? Thanx. Please post your research findings for each item and which levels it is not on below this post.
I can confidently say that Chaos Homing Attack, and Chaos Nightmare are nowhere to be seen in Westopolis.
:Nope. If this was true you could quite simply find it at GameFAQs or whatever. The game's been out for years, and somebody would've seen them by now. Simply fake. Gurko 08:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Chaos Abilities?