Talk:Trinity Broadcasting Network

message: If we are going to quote critics we have to give some idea of what they are criticising it for, not just quote their insults. DJ Clayworth 21:25, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Its time to turn this article into a proper broadcasting related article. It is claimed that TBN is on "thousands" of cable systems. Come on, that is going to take some proving. It would be good to list all of the high power stations and then list areas where the low power relays are located as well as the cable systems. Outside of the USA TBN is on a number of satellites, cable systems and TV stations. They need listing. How about radio? The present article is not very good at all. MPLX/MH 01:45, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is time we should turn all Wikipedia articles into proper articles. Hyacinth 02:08, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Too true (and I had to laugh), but what I meant was that we need to treat this as a broadcasting article and not as a religious article and as a broadcasting article it can be treated a sensible manner (yes, I can already hear the retort to that suggestion.) MPLX/MH 06:05, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: If

message: I'm thinking that the segment addressing TBN's controversies is getting long compared to the rest of the article. Perhaps we should separate it into a new page? --Scoutstr295.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.37.3 (talk) 22:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate Criticism Segment Into New Page?

message: Why must people keep adding pointless hyperlinks to the bottom of this page which bash Christianity in various ways? I don't even see why TBN is a good target for this, it looks like it's revert war time, and that's not right! Homestarmy 13:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism?

message: The link to the story on Crouch in no way says that TBN admitted they paid "hush" money.  The only money the story shows paid was $425, 000 in an out of court settlement in regards to Ford's claims of being unjustly fired.  Ford claimed he had a manuscript that contained a description of the supposed sexual encounter and the Arbitrator ruled that he had no right to make this claim after the settlement was paid in regards to the other issue of him being fired.  Ford then demanded $10 million as a bribe!  The claims that TBN made a press release in 2004 admitting paying hush money is completely fallacious. The linked story says no such thing.
You might have a point there, let me see if I can try and edit it so there isn't so much an accusation of hush money and more of a report on that source, give me a minute or so....Homestarmy 21:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fallacious claims of "hush money" being paid 

message: This page must include the positive and negative areas of TBN.  The $425,000 paid in 1998 was a reality.  Right or wrong, good or bad; it happened.  Critical links that express negative feelings are part of wikipedia just as positive links are.. it's what makes wikipedia informative.
:Well we have the link still there reporting it im pretty sure. Do you have another link to suggest? Homestarmy 18:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Positive and The Negative 

message: That sounds like crap'.  Larger potential audience, perhaps.  From what I understand Nielsen doesn't follow them since they are paid programs rather than supported by advertising, but to me that sounds like an unsourced lie by some "Christian" who somehow thinks that the "Good Book" says somewhere that the end justifes the means — or that it ought to!
:Wait, what line is this in? Homestarmy 18:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "audience larger than traditional secular nets", yes, at one point, they had an incredible number of viewers during a certain TBN show (Praise the Lord?).  There was also a controversy because certain stations in the southeast (?) were allegedly being controlled by TBN, yet not officially owned by TBN.  At that time there were caps on networks, possibly due to the non-profit status.  I don't know if that controversy hit the national papers, but it was in the regional ones.172.129.138.132 23:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audience larger than traditional secular nets? 

message: They do have a very large audience and in many countries. Many people around the world know who they are and watch their network. A lot of people like them. I am one of them. Leave them alone and stick to the facts. It's supposed to be an encyclopedia, not your opinion. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.215.57.165 (talk) 02:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audience larger than traditional secular nets 

message: One thing that I noticed about this article is that it doesn't say whether TBN runs commercials to make revenue, or where its revenue comes from if not.  If someone in the know could add that to the article, that would be great.  JYolkowski // talk 00:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think its all donation based, with their praise-a-thons and whatnot. Homestarmy 00:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since that's what I kind of guessed anyway, and I haven't been able to find anything to the contrary, I'll mention something in the article about it not running ads.  Cheers, JYolkowski // talk 22:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I could see money coming in 3 ways: "spots" run during breaks (on TBN and affiliate stations), people paying money to have shows run (on TBN net, TBN stations, and affiliate stations) and donations.172.129.138.132 23:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercials 

message: USA Today ran an article on July 29, 2007 stating that TBN had acquired the "Holy Land Experience" theme park in Orlando, FL.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-07-29-holy-land-experience_N.htm
:Asleep at the wheel, eh? I heard the Crouch family boasting about that as early as late May/early June.  WAVY 10 15:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acquisition of Holy Land Experience 

message: I wanted your opinion concerning the following:
While they are probably the most popular personalities on the network as hosts of the programs Praise The Lord and Behind The Scenes, Paul and Jan Crouch have become increasingly absent from TBN broadcasts, due to health problems and old age.
Could it be argued that another reason (at least in Paul's case) being that sexual harrasment lawsuit filed by a male ex-employee a few years back; because I think that was about the time they "disappeared" for the most part.  WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 16:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Their absence could just as well be explained by the network having a growing stable of guest hosts along with the younger Crouches who are more effective at attracting audience dollars. Absent any published reason for their absence that can be cited, the last 7 words of that sentence should be dropped. Mike Doughney (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrase concerning the PTL (not that one) program 

message: Is there some reason we're using a chart from 1995 near the end of this article? WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 19:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This will be updated soon! I think i know where to find this!Darmainc (talk) 21:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  1995 Chart 

message: I've heard that TBN is famous among what you might call "industry insiders" for the success of its fundraising work.  In particular, most public television/public radio stations need about 20 days of on-air fundraising each year to stay afloat (and sometimes far more than that), and I'm told that TBN does well with a single week.
I don't have a good source for this, though, because this was just in a chat with someone who seemed to know what she was talking about.  If a good source can be found, then a comparison might be useful.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible idea for expansion 

message: Changes in the last several weeks have made this article a complete mess.  I'm aware that many of the changes were sourced.  All the same, the changes have made the article so unwieldy as to make it far less useful than it was back in April or May.  Certainly there's a bit of good information in the additions, but the organization and subsection layout of the article is atrocious as it stands.  Rollback would be better than this version, in my opinion, unless someone is willing to slog through the voluminous additions with scissors and tape.  I'm not. Interwebs (talk) 03:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A mess 

message: It is not Wikipedia's best practices for an editor to delete an existing article (all or in part), which is accurate, well sourced, and the result of a collaborative effort by multiple editors over time. If you want to add factual, sourced information you may do so, but Tendentious repetitive attempts to insert or delete content or behavior that tends to frustrate proper editorial processes and discussions is prohibited, as is disruptive editing that totally disregards the content in an article that is already established and has been reviewed and approved by other editors. Editor Scoutstr295, please only add factual information to the Trinity Broadcasting Network article. Please respect the contribution of other editors and stop deleting major sections of this article. Ellen Brichetto 17:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Widescale Deletion/Disruption of a historically correct, sourced Wiki article that many editors have approved. 

message: In recent years, TBN has started another controversial drive for money by encouraging its viewers to place in their wills that TBN as their sole beneficiary; there by granting them the rights to all possessions, property, and money held by the deceased.  A number of incidents have arisen from this, with many comparing it to actions taken by the former PTL head Jim Bakker. It may be worth noting on the page this recent practice, with the possible association with the PTL practice, as well as potential ramifications of it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.212.142.61 (talk) 15:52, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Further Controversy should be considered, maybe listed. 

message: Change: The Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) is an international Christian-based broadcast television network[1][2] as well as the world's largest religious television network.[3] 
To: The Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) is an international Christian-based broadcast television network[1][2] as well as the world's largest religious television network and third largest broadcast owner group in the United States. 
Sources: http://www.tbn.org/announcements/tbn-moves-into-3rd-place-ranking-ahead-of-major-players
http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/41240/top-station-groups-stay-the-course
Jim.schaefer12345 (talk) 16:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with this one, it makes the introductory sentence sound too complicated. Perhaps it could be added elsewhere? Stickee (talk) 06:29, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2014 

message: These bible thumping morons now have a channel on the UK's DTTV Freeview platform. Who funds this stuff? US style TV evangelism has practically no support in Britain and seems completely alien. --Ef80 (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK 

message: The last update to the Regularly scheduled shows was in 2010. They have added several shows to the line-up and new personalities. As an example, James MacDonald from Walk In The Word is a regular show on the schedule airing every day. Is there any way to get these new shows updated?http://www.tbn.org/watch-us/broadcast-schedule SpicerHBC (talk) 21:48, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed update to Regularly scheduled shows & Personalities 

message: The current open and close of this flagship program Praise the Lord was used in 2010  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexclarkerfff (talk • contribs) 22:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  PTL show intros and outros 

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message: Please add the additional IPTV provider's carrier details in the infobox, thanks.
| iptv serv 4 = Southern Fibernet
| iptv chan 4 = Channel 552
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message: Hasn't there been a new logo since 2016? 173.161.252.130 (talk) 20:16, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Logo 

message: Add "Elevation Experience with Steven Furtick" to Regularly Scheduled Programming.
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replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:59, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2016 

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message: In the section "Lawsuits", Carra Crouch's suit against TBN and Paul and Jan Crouch has been decided by a jury (links at end).  There will be appeals, I am sure.
Due to my having a (very distant) connection with a member of the Crouch family, I do not feel I should be making any edits to the article myself, not should I be making any judgement calls about what should be included or not.  I just wish to present a couple of newspaper sources about the outcome of the trial.
If my notice here is inappropriate, please let me know.
"Granddaughter who alleged rape cover-up is awarded $2 million in Trinity Broadcasting Network lawsuit", Orange County Register, June 5, 2017, http://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/05/jury-awards-2-million-to-granddaughter-of-trinity-broadcast-network-founders-in-personal-injury-case/
"Jury Finds Televangelist Jan Crouch Shunned Granddaughter’s Report of Rape", New York Times, June 7, 2017, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/us/trinity-broadcasting-verdict.html
-- ArglebargleIV (talk) 14:27, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  An edit I should not make myself 

message: TBN HD is now available on Verizon FIOS  Channel 795 
(Source: https://www.verizon.com/info/channel-lineup/ ) Dtv757 (talk) 22:31, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:05, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2017 

message: A section needed for.--Wikipietime (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oct 7 2017 Debut of Huckabee with Trump 

message: Change line 8 from " 65.112.8.206 (talk) 16:03, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Spintendo      16:19, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2018 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Praise the lord. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.   BrandNew Jim Zhang (talk) 09:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Praise the lord listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: In the Controversies section, the sentence about Sen. Grassley's investigation of several TBN televangelists, which is currently in a paragraph at the end of the Theology subsection, is not related to theology and should instead be moved to the Wealth and transparency subsection. The sentence could also be modified to note the year of the investigation, as well as the fact that another TBN televangelist, Kenneth Copeland (listed in the Theology section of the article), was named in it, too. I do not have enough edits under my belt to be allowed to do this myself on this semi-protected article. --Captain wafer (talk) 18:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please move sentence about Sen. Grassley's investigation 

message: The article mentions early on that the legal name of the network is "Trinity Broadcasting of Texas, Inc.", but doesn't state why, or the connection to Texas. In fact, it doesn't mention the word  "Texas" again. Could someone with the knowledge and references please add content to correct this oversight?  Worldbook1967 (talk) 22:19, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Texas Connection