Talk:Liviu Librescu

message: The article lists him as being best known for research in aeroelasticity and aerodynamics. I think this should be edited to include him saving the lives of his class in the V-Tech massacre. Ideas?
WolverineZac 00:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is primarily about his accomplishments in his field, and the reference is to that, as per the notability requirements of WP:PROF.  Rdfox 76 02:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best known for? 

message: I'm not sure how to ban an IP (or if regular users even can), but 90.184.23.187 has twice replaced the entire contents of the page with "Noob got owned".  Can somebody with the access to do that ban the offending IP? Ttrygve 16:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This way to request editors be blocked for vandalism.  --ElKevbo 16:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Welcome to the internet. Stetsonblade 16:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Bleh, people like that don't matter.  The people that truly matter are the ones like Liviu Librescu.  I'm proud that such a man walked the earth.--68.119.65.225 03:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concern 

message: The template said 74 and the Death section said 75 131.215.7.198 11:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age??? 

message: Can anyone provide a reference for Prof. Librescu's date and place of birth? -- The Anome 11:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After a quick search: Professor Librescu, a Romanian-born expert on mechanics, Librescu, an Israeli, was born in Romania. ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date and place of birth 

message: The real author of this story is Librescu's son. He claims that students emailed him with the information, within hours. And just how did they get the email?
* I can imagine any number of ways.  e.g. They asked Mrs. Marlene Librescu; Professor Librescu previously told them; they asked the VT administration (Joe Librescu is a former VT student); etc.  I myself, a total stranger in a foreign country, was able to contact by e-mail one of the students who jumped out the window in Room 204, and I did not need to use extraordinary resources to do so. Roger Hui 18:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The story makes no sense 

message: The Česky, Deutsch, עברית, Magyar, and Română Wikipedias now have articles. Cool.  --  Zanimum 17:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multilingual support 

message: 1930 birth year and full name ("I. Liviu") is from Biography & Genealogy Master Index, available at ancestry.com, citing Who's Who in America, Who's Who in Science & Engineering, and Who's Who in the World. NawlinWiki 17:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Who's Who entry is now available online here, although this probably isn't a permanent free link. NawlinWiki 22:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth year and full name 

message: I guess it was only a matter of time before we saw "an Israeli-American Jewish-Romanian" nice work guys. --Tom 18:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead sentence

message: Someone is attempting to be a clever vandal and change the last line to say "an hero". This is an internet cultural reference/inside joke. Please be sure and keep it as it should be both grammatically correct and free of disrespect, "a hero" is proper of course.
Sovtek 21:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Death paragraph fix

message: * Liviu Librescu - Virginia Tech - RateMyProfessors.com
Interesting about what his students thought.  --164.107.223.217 00:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: What does I in his name (I. Liviu Librescu) stand for? Also, could we mention that both his first name and his surname are Romanian or would that be irrelevant? --Thus Spake Anittas 03:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name 

message: Romanian newspaper "Ziua" reported (in Romanian; cited by this article) that Librescu got his PhD from Academia de Ştiinţe din România, which appears to be an erroneous name, since the correct name is Academia Română - Romanian Academy, and I think this one should be in the article. 
The official webpage of the Romanian Academy (follow the link in its WP article ) has a historic overview, where they mention for example that during the communist rule the law of June 9, 1948 turned the Romanian Academy into the Academy of the People’s Republic of Romania, but they never mention anything about calling it Academia de Ştiinţe din România. An additional argument: Librescu got his B.Sc. and M.Sc. from the Polytechnic University of Bucharest, although at the time the official name was "Institute" not University. 
I believe the changes in official names of the institutions should be dealt with in those istitutions' articles, while their alumni should be listed as graduates of the institution as named currently (unless it was several centuries ago, and the names are significantly different).:Dc76 16:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I share the reservations about teh "Romanian Academy of Sciences" (ASR) -- although mentioned in places, it's probably a mistake.  See for example here (click on Istoric) for a history, stating that the ASR existed only between 1935 and 1948.  On the other hand, I'm not sure whether the Romanian Academy per se would have conferred a PhD diploma -- my understanding is that this would have been done by an affiliated institute, such as the Institute of Mathematics of the Romanian Academy.  We need to look at this more carefully, but I agree, perhaps in the meantime best would be to simply link to the Romanian Academy.  Turgidson 17:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: His Vita can be accessed ! (Yesterday it wasn't working.) It is the Institute of Fluid Mechanics in our question. But this link desearves further careful study, for it contains more information that can be included in the article, such as the number of papers, books, grants, etc, etc. :Dc76 15:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, User:Aishel added a link to it in the article 2 hours before I noteced the links works. Thanks. Still, I think we can elaborate a little bit more from it in the article. I don't mean necesarily so much in volume, as in specificity. :Dc76 17:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alma mater 

message: How about changing this portion of the article:
Librescu received many academic honors during his work at Virginia Tech, serving as chair or invited as a keynote speaker of several International Congresses on Thermal Stresses and receiving several honorary degrees. He was elected member of the Academy of Sciences of the Shipbuilding of Ukraine and Foreign Fellow of the Academy of Engineering of Armenia.
to something like this:
Librescu received many academic honors before and during his work at Virginia Tech. He served as chair or was invited as keynote speaker to several International Congresses on Thermal Stresses (a branch of Solid Mechanics) and other high-profile international conferences in various fields of Civil Engeneering, including Composite Science and Technology, Adaptive Structures and Technology. Sometimes the quality of his papers was additionally recognized by special diploma awards. He was elected member of the Academy of Sciences of the Shipbuilding of Ukraine (2000) and Foreign Fellow of the Academy of Engineering of Armenia (1999). He was a recipient of Doctor Honoris Causa of the Polytechnic Institute of Bucharest (2000), of the 1999 Dean’s Award for Excellence in Research, College of Engineering at Virginia Tech, and a laureate of the “Traian Vuia” Prize of the Romanian Academy (1972). He was a member of the Board of Experts of the Italian Ministry of Education, University and Scientific Research. He was awarded a Frank J. Maher Award for Excellence in Engineering Education (2005) and an ASME diploma expressing "the deep appreciation for the valuable services in advancing the engineering profession".  
any suggestions? Feel free to edit directly my suggestion (one can trace it in "history" if necessary).
: Hmm, I don't know who wrote the above, but great minds think alike. I saw this after I moved ==Honors and awards== into a separate section and now have added a part of the above. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I forgot to sign yesterday. Your edit of ==Honors and awards== is perfect by me, I only added "(2005)" for the last award in order to be consistent, since the year is mentioned for all other awards. You are right, whoever wrote that ASME award mention knew something we mortals don't. But on a closer look, it is more natural for a great mind like Librescu's to have a heroic instinct than for the average "coward" Joe.:Dc76 15:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  small expansion suggested 

message: I just want to commend everyone who's worked on this article, making it a complete biographical article that covers the entirety of his life & work, rather than treating all of his life as merely a footnote to his tragic, albeit heroic, death.  Good job, everyone. --Yksin 01:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Fantastic, amazing job — my compliments to the editors. —GGreeneVa 03:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, getting an article of this size and quality up so quickly was impressive. --Datacharge 05:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet another in agreement.  Earlier today I sent this article to a number of people close to me:  "hey, look at this!  already we have a very fine article on this person!"  This is what I love about Wikipedia.  Good work all, and cheers, Antandrus  (talk) 05:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been out of touch with the real world for the past few days and just learned about Mr. Librescu this morning. What a happy surprise to see that we already have an article, and a good one at that, about this heroic man!! Thanks so much to the editors! He is a real hero and I hope he is never forgotten. Rest in peace, Liviu!! :( K. Lásztocska 19:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kudos 

message: Really, his academic career is not sufficient to warrant an article.  His distinction, and why he does warrant an article, is that he was a HERO.  A quick-thinking brave 76-year-old achieved distinction as he died. John Wheater 07:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So I take it you are an established expert in both heroism and academia. Oh wait, not at all, so please keep your opinions out of wikipedia and state them on message boards elsewhere.--Svetovid 09:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am truly sorry to have provoked this ad hominem outburst.  I suppose everything we write in some way reflects our own opinions - but what I say above is actually pretty non-controversial.  His heroism is demonstrated by the simple fact of risking, and giving, his life for those in his care, despite his age.  As for his academic standing - is there an individual Wiki article on anyone of similar rank?  I think not, though no doubt he would be mentioned as a contributor to his specialised field, should that attract an article.  I should be glad to think you regretted your outburst, and hope that you will change your view that I should no longer contribute to Wikipedia. John Wheater 09:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  He easily passes WP:PROF#Criteria. ←Humus sapiens ну? 10:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh well, one last word (promise!), from me, the idiot (as described by Humus H, edited out but not by me - what is Wiki coming to, friends?).  Of course he merits an article, but as  HERO, not as an engineer, clever though he was.  If he is remembered it will be because of his heroism, not his work.  Hands up those who think we should have seen a Librescu article without the shootings.  Friends, we are not a newspaper.  John Wheater 13:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree he is best known as a hero rather than an engineer. However I believe we do have articles on engineers and scientists of similar rank to him. The following engineering/scientists articles indicate a notability that may be similar to Librescu's pre-VT shooting (note I'm not knowledgeable on these people): Addams Stratton McAllister, Rebecca Lynn, Michael Levitt, or Shrinivas Kulkarni. Admittedly most engineer articles seem to be people who invented something or started a major company, but I'm not sure either thing is a requirement.--T. Anthony 23:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: We should have had such an article. There are probably thousands of other quiet professors we should have such articles about, and before they pass on, whether as heros, villians, or sleeping in their beds surrounded by loving great-grandchildren. htom 13:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: We should have had such an article. WP:PROF says so. Open and shut case. The Wednesday Island 13:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  There was no ad hominem. I just tried to point out, using irony, that original research and personal opinions (often the same thing) are not allowed in Wikipedia.--Svetovid 22:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: He easily passed as hero. And he passed as scientist too. Imformations in article confirm it unambiguously. --Cinik 13:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The reason why he is here 

message: Though I support retaining the template itself, I question its inclusion in this or any of the other bio articles of otherwise notable people who died in the shootings, as it gives too much emphasis within their bios to the manner of their death.  Not to mention it seems very tasteless. --Yksin 18:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should stay for information purposes. --Thus Spake Anittas 18:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? It provides no new information. The bio already says he died in Virginia Tech massacre. --Yksin 19:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the point of having a template is to offer the user easier navigation through important milestones in the history of the event. To argue that such a template would be tasteless would not be a good argument. As for it giving it "too much "emphasis within their bios" -- I believe it does and I believe it should. The main subject in the articles of these people are their death and their relation to the tragedy. Altough their life achievements and career is covered, it is their death that attracted the main attention. This is my opinion, but I wouldn't put much effort in preserving the template. If you guys decide to delete it, then that's that for my part. --Thus Spake Anittas 20:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But couldn't this just be a list rather than a template? Calwatch 02:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Virginia Tech massacre template

message: "However, under the Romanian communist regime, Jews were not allowed to leave."
This isn't actually true. Hundreds of thousands of Jews emigrated from Communist Romania and it was actually easier for Jews to leave than non-Jews to leave Romania due to a backstairs agreement in which Israel paid the cash-starved Communist regime for each Jew who was allowed to go to Israel.  Liviu Librescu was prevented from leaving not because he was Jewish but because he was a highly trained scientist and thus valuable to the regime. 74.14.96.28 01:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed that generalization, let's not over-politicize this bio. As usual, the truth is in the middle: behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War, Jews were often considered a security liability because of their connections to Jewish diaspora. OTOH, many were not allowed to emigrate to the West because of national security concerns such as brain drain. ←Humus sapiens ну? 03:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think this is worth mentioning in the article. Romania was the only Eastern bloc country at the time that held diplomatic relations with Israel. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews not allowed to leave? 

message: He received the Star of Romania at the rank of Great Cross, not Grand Cross.  Someone with editing access ought to fix that error.
Butterflytoflame 03:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. PRESS RELEASE (April 18, 2007)The President of Romania... states both "Grand Cross" and "High Cross" but not "Great Cross". ←Humus sapiens ну? 03:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It is not lame at all- when there is a conflict between the information in different articles then it should be resolved.  Someone just updated Steaua României, re-translating "mare" as great (they really have the same meaning).  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect award rank 

message: The research and the timeliness of this page are impressive.  Thank-you for all of your dedication.  I agree, this American Hero deserves his own page.  Nancy Cronk 18:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree heartily, but must add a small correction. He is not an "American hero", nor an Israeli hero or a Romanian hero. He is a human hero, such a man as him and such a great soul cannot be constrained by national boundaries. K. Lásztocska 20:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You make a good point, both of you.  Very very VERY much agreed. Butterflytoflame 05:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More kudos

message: Currently his name in Hebrew is ליביו ליברסקו. Transliterated it is "Liviu Librescu", and that is what he:wiki says as well. Our article has next to it "Levi ben Isidore". This needs to be sorted out somehow. Thoughts? ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Levi ben Isidore" isn't a Hebrew name per se, it's a religious patronymic.  It probably doesn't belong in the article.--Pharos 21:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feel free to correct/improve my latest edit. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I just wonder if it's a little out of place.  All Jews of any religious upbringing can have a patronymic, but as far as I can tell we only customarily use them in the articles of historical rabbis like Moshe ben Maimon.  The reason Chabad put "Levi ben Isidore" on their site (and I believe they're the only source) is so people may use the name in prayers, which is certainly understandable, but I'm not sure it belongs here.--Pharos 07:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As an alternative, maybe we could include the names of his parents (we already know his father was Isidore), and maybe mention if he ever used the name "Levi" as a child (which is certainly possible).--Pharos 17:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. ←Humus sapiens ну? 05:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: According to his CV he is an American citizen.  Can he be a dual citizen?  If so shouldn't it be reflected in his wiki?Dland5others 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good eye. I guess he had dual citizenship. ←Humus sapiens ну? 03:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia really shouldn't guess.  Until we have a reference, we shouldn't guess at the dual citizenship. Dachande 15:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But nor should we worry about it, ie if it appears in sources that he has citizenship in 2 countries we dont need to question that as it is a common occurrence inc in the US (Schwarzenegger et al), SqueakBox 17:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship 

message: This Newsday article has some new biographical information from interviews with family members.  Not sure if I'll have the time to add this info myself, but it seems like other editors would be interested in this in any case.  Particularly interesting is the "secret" publishing of his 1976 book.--Pharos 06:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another primary source 

message: The reference cited in the last edit, , is not self-consistent.  In one place it indicated that Librescu's classroom was room 204; in another it said room 208.  Another New York Times article  referenced in the text says that it was room 204.  This latter article rings truer (quotes from students in the room at the time, etc.) Roger Hui 23:05, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is Room 204. See the class schedule and note where it was held. Calwatch 06:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: In addition, many buildings have room numbers with no rhyme or reason. It seems to be common in academia. Dwinelle Hall at my alma mater was a classic example. Calwatch 07:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Class room number 

message: Librescu has now been placed in "Category:Nazi concentration camp survivors" again. However, according to the article Nazi concentration camps, "Prior to and during World War II, Nazi Germany maintained concentration camps..." According to the article on Librescu, he was "interned at a labor camp in Transnistria and later ... deported to a ghetto in the city of Focşani". Is there any evidence either of these was "maintained" by Nazi Germany? If not, why should the category stay? Biruitorul 03:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no strict requirement for German Nazi concentration camps vs. Nazi collaborator concentration camps. I think this is a proper category. This is already addressed in another section on talk. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nazi concentration camp?

message: Anybody knows why the list of references seems to be broken and how to fix it? --NavarroJ 14:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs list seems broken 

message: I feel like this page contains a bit too much about what Chabad/Lubavitch are doing/have done.  Is it really relevant that 2 Rabbi's traveled hours to bury him or that his wife claims his favorite commandmant was to light friday night candles? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.242.91.36 (talk) 18:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the bit about 2 rabbis. Since he considered important to light Shabbat candles, this seems to be a part of his legacy and IMHO should be mentioned. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much Chabad Info? 

message: It should be this one: http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine:Flag_of_Romania.svg
: Please see the flag in the article Kingdom of Romania. That is where he was born. I've fixed the infobox to say Kingdom of Romania. ←Humus sapiens ну? 06:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, that is not a 100% rule, but case by case. For example Estonians do not say they were born in USSR, but in all documents Eist estonia as their place of birth, etc. So do others from former USSR, Yougoslavia and Czechslovakia. Those born before 1917 did not list Russian Empire as their birth country but USSR, while those in emigre would declare logicaly Russian Empire or simply Russia. If you think in Livrescu's case it is relevant for his life/career that he was in the Kingdom of Romania, not just Romania - then that is the only solid argument, in my oppionion. I don't know much about him to put my word. If you also don't know, just think wat's more logical, and clear for readers.:Dc76 19:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romania flag is incorrect 

message: I protest against the opening line of this article, which reads:
Liviu Librescu (Hebrew: ליביו ליברסקו) (August 18, 1930 – April 16, 2007) was a Romanian-born and educated Israeli-American scientist and academic whose major research fields were aeroelasticity and aerodynamics.
This site confirms that Liviu, was in fact a Romanian-Israeli professor, but the opening line says that he was born in Romania; however, how do we know that he didn't count himself as a little bit, Romanian? Both his names are Romanian, not Jewish and not American. Also, where it says "educated Israeli-American scientist," it makes it sound as if he educated in Israel and America, but he was educated in Romania and his whole personally and career was formed there! I would like a compromise where his Romanian side is not downplayed by the editors. --Thus Spake Anittas 20:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like more focus on his Romanian side. Time article calls his parents for Romanian Jews. --Thus Spake Anittas 20:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could you elaborate on your proposal? ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As the one responsible for inserting the word "educated" in that opening sentence (first here, then here), let me say that, as hopefully my second edit made it clear, my intention was precisely to accentuate the fact that Librescu was not just born in Romania, but got all his education there (including BS, MS, and PhD degrees), and indeed spent the first 48 years of his life there -- which, by any measure, is a big chunk of anyone's life! Now, I'm not sure how others would read that sentence -- I don't really see any ambiguity in there -- but if there is, yes, the above suggestion of saying "Romanian-born and -educated" would clear things up completely, at least in that regard.  See what you guys think -- I for one would be happy with that modification. Turgidson 22:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that modification is the best compromise I can get at the moment. I have emailed the editor of the BBC article and asked him (since he knew Librescu, personally) if Librescu considered himself as partially Romanian. If I get a reply and if there are clear sources on this, then further more can be changed, such as a share Romanian-Israeli identity, with an American citizenship. Two articles already hint on that, but they are not clear enough and thus cannot be considered as a source that supports that affirmation. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's a concrete question:  Did Liviu Librescu renounce his Romanian citizenship upon leaving Romania in 1978?  As far as I know, that was an option -- some people who left did, some didn't.  Either way, this could give an indication as to what kind of ties he kept with the country of birth.  Turgidson 22:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is irrelevant. More than 1 million Romanians denounced their citizenship, but they still remain Romanians. This was meant to be a serious discussion. --Thus Spake Anittas 04:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Whether this is relevant or irrelevant is your personal opinion.  And I do resent the tone of your reply.  This was meant to be a civil discussion.  Turgidson 17:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of understanding the difference between citizenship and national consciousness, which can be two different things. --Thus Spake Anittas 17:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  A quick examination of Librescu's CV indicates that his relationship with Romania after his departure in 1978 must have been cordial, at the very least.  e.g. he was given an honorary degree by the Polytechnic of Bucharest in 2000 (p. 2), and at Virginia Tech several of his research associates and visiting scholars were from Romanian universities (p. 59). Roger Hui 05:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, that's my reading, too.  Turgidson 17:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, another reason why the current text sounds a bit awkward. It should be changed to your suggestion. You can go ahead and do so, as it seems others support that suggestion, as well. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  His national consciousness 

message: This was incorrectly reverted.  I can see why one might think this, but in fact, the Hebrew calendar site states Yom HaShoah started "Sat, 14 April 2007 at sundown."  See   The papers that stated otherwise were in error.--Beth Wellington 20:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The observance of Yom HaShoah changes in years when observance on 27 Nisan would be in conflict with the Jewish Sabbath.  Israel observed Yom HaShoah on Sunday PM/Monday AM this year.--Pharos 20:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yom Hashoah

message: After looking at this page: Waleed Shaalan and seeing taht it is being considered for deletion, I see no reason to leave this one.68.211.145.65 03:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ARTICLE SHOULD BE DELETED 

message: WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!why would you delete tis article? he was a hero........a holocaust survivor...when i first heard about him i was like so sad...
he should be known by others for what he has done..he saved many lives you know!!!!!!!!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.158.59 (talk) 22:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What!!!

message: I forgot what template to add. An English-language article from Tiraspol Times mentions Wikipedia as a source and indeed, some passages look very familiar. ←Humus sapiens ну? 02:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ROFL! That site is a joke and a propaganda tool. Its owner or contributor was banned from Wiki for sockpuppeting. See User:William Mauco. That whole site has an agenda and is not able to write objectively. Just look at the start of the article: it is supposed to be about Librescu, but instead, it hints about the politics between Moldova and Transnistria.
Liviu Librescu had survived deportation from Romania to the killing fields of World War II's Transnistria. The territory was never part of Romania or of any independent Moldovan state.
My question is: how is it relevant to Librescu whether Transnistria was ever a part of Romania? Heck, how is it relevant to Romania? Can someone answer me that? Not to mention that Librescu was never in Transnistria...only his father (as I understood it).
The article on Librescu...err, Transnistria, continues:
At no time in history was this territory ever part of Romania or of any independent Moldovan state, having also been majority Slavic and a traditional part of Russia or Ukraine.
And so it continues. Anyone can make a site that will look somehow professional and try to use it as a source for Wikipedia. --Thus Spake Anittas 08:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I had no idea. Are you sure there is a requirement for a news agency/article that mentions Wikipedia as a source to comply with NPOV? ←Humus sapiens ну? 04:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt such a requirement exists, because a great amount of articles are POV. Perhaps it would fall under a criteria which goes against sources that are not deemed credible, but you won't find any resistance from me on this one. Go ahead and add it. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article was mentioned in a news source 

message: (Removed personal attacks (see WP:NPA) by User:68.211.145.65)
Notice that the non-white victims at VTech had their articles deleted but not the Caucs.
Guess it's obvious that this is a White Supremacist site! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.211.145.65 (talk) 12:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: coughWP:DENYcough. Natalie 18:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just find it kind of difficult to tell when someone's trolling and someone's just finding it hard to understand why Wikipedia policy is as it is. If you think User:68.211.145.65's just a troll, I'll ignore zir from now on then. The Wednesday Island 19:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoring criticism of implicit racism 

message: While I don't want to diminish his academic achievements in any way, it's clear that his prominence is chiefly due to his act of heroism during the Virginia Tech massacre. I think the lead paragraph should be re-prioritized to reflect that fact, and his posthumous award from Romania. Thoughts? Ronnotel (talk) 04:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: agree  The only reason most people are interested in him is because of his actions during the Virginia Tech Massacre.  Rooot (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Prominence

message: This sentence: "His son Joe, to BBC the day after Librescu's death, said his father did not wish to talk much about that period of his life." is awkward.  I know there is a debate raging in the FAC about comma usage, but this sentence needs to be reworded.  I have heard BBC referred to in this situation as "the BBC."  Thoughts?  Rooot (talk) 07:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would remove any mention of the BBC in the main line. It's already in the citation so it's redundant. Ronnotel (talk) 12:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the statement attributed to son Joe (to BBC) is uncited, and I can't find it. Did you see it somewhere?  I'm tempted to delete it. I've rearranged the statement attributed to his wife for better flow. --Sfmammamia (talk) 17:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I messed with it a little.  Rooot (talk) 21:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your change doesn't solve the problem of lack of cite. Why not just cut the sentence? --Sfmammamia (talk) 22:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine with me.  Rooot (talk) 05:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

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