Talk:Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Glasgow

message: Added more to the history section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Benkenobi18 (talk • contribs) (01:04, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: December 2009

message: I've removed the map image :File:ArchdioceseGlasgow.png. It gives the impression that parts of the Diocese of Galloway and Archdiocese of St Andrews and Edinburgh are part of the Archdiocese of Glasgow which is incorrect. There is a correct map showing all the Roman Catholic dioceses/archdiocese here on the Bishop's Conference of Scotland website. Dioceses 1 to 5 are part of the Province of St Andrews and Edinburgh. Dioceses 6 to 8 are part of the Province of Glasgow. I've also removed :Image:Bishoprics.Scotland.reign.of.David.I.jpg since that actual image is not there. Scrivener-uki (talk) 23:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map images 

message: As per a user's concerns, unreasonable as I think they are, opening discussion on the order of precedence of Glasgow compared with Edinburgh and St. Andrews.
My only point is that in terms of jurisdiction Glasgow is regarded as second in the order of precedence because secular authority resides elsewhere (and did not mention previous pre-reformation custom of elevating St. Andrews ). But I regard the article cited above on proper names discussion as near definitively setting out how complex order of precedence is. 
I cited formal definitions such as England and Wales, contrasted it with custom, by contrast, in Scotland. And I added something on consecration.
See the proper names/nouns discussion and my talk page for context. NoelveNoelve (talk) 20:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , do you have any sources at all? Elizium23 (talk) 20:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

text: , this article is about an archdiocese, which is an ecclesiastical territory. The "Order of precedence" article that you cite is about the hierarchy of the Church, which comprises men who are clergy. As you might surmise, these are two distinct things. So I do not see how an "order of precedence" referring to "cardinal over archbishop", for example, has anything to do with an alleged precedence of one archdiocese over another. Furthermore I do not see any evidence in the article you cite of specific dioceses or bishops, so I do not see how we can leap from the generalized to the specific here in this article. Elizium23 (talk) 20:54, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Precedence 

message: Hi, we do need a reliable secondary source to support the assertion that there are three patron saints of this archdiocese. Please see our verifiability policy for more information. Elizium23 (talk) 15:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked you to let me post and now you've stopped my post from going through by editing this page before it could take in your rushed addition. Please be patient. NoelveNoelve (talk) 15:37, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

text: NoelveNoelve (talk) 11:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I see nothing at that link about Glasgow, Kentigern, Ogilvie or Teneu. DrKay (talk) 12:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again, step by step. Because via discusing the link it's WP:CHALLENGE. It is not likely to be challenged because St. Kentigern is the founder of the city of Glasgow itself. St. Teneu is the mother of St. Kentigern. The Archdiocese Cathedral is adjacent St. Enochs. That is a local corruption of St. Teneu. Citizens of Glasgow see the image of Kentigern each day as he is on the coat of arms of the city, and council authority. St. Enochs is the largest shopping centre in the centre of the city. I could source this literally in the blink of an eye on both coats of arms of the city and archdiocese. NoelveNoelve (talk) 13:45, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Per Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research, all content must be explicitly supported by Wikipedia:Reliable sources. You need a reliable secondary source that states explicitly that these three individuals are patron saints of the archdiocese; not the city, not individual churches, the archdiocese itself. DrKay (talk) 13:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

text: It was added less than 10 days ago, and it's been challenged twice since then. If they are patron saints of the archdiocese, it would be easy to find sources. The fact that we cannot do so indicates that the claim is not true. DrKay (talk) 14:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

text: That claim is not challenged, as far as I know. DrKay (talk) 14:23, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

text: I don't find that claim dubious. You were not unblocked because you failed to understand that the block was for a good reason. I did not ignore any talk page discussion, as is easily proved by me posting to the talk page less than a minute after making my first edit ever to the page. DrKay (talk) 14:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: So no inline citations on any of these pages. If I post a challenge now you'll accuse me of spurious challenges. But if someone who is an admin does then you'd say they are not spurious. The citation template offers two routes out, including talk page, I could source this in 2 seconds in a search engine, it is a basic understanding. You know it is WP:CHALLENGE because the admin who asked for the source disagreed with your conduct and did not push for a revert, as the length of time between my edit and yours and their challenging you on your talk page. You are belligerent pedant creating an argument because it I properly sourced what you said was unsourced on another page. You undermined another admin who has their full wits and capabilities about them for selfish petty reasons. NoelveNoelve (talk) 14:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source needed for patron saints 

message: The country in the infobox was recently changed to include United Kingdom and Holy See. Should the "country" in the infobox be Scotland, United Kingdom, Holy See, a subset of the three, or all three? 13:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC: Country parameter in the infobox