Talk:The Crystal Palace

message: I'm a bit confused about the dimensions of the building. The article states that the building is 110 fet tall with an interior height of 408 feet. Menright63 (talk) 06:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it was built like the TARDIS? :) I've amended it to match what the reference says, i.e., 408 feet interior height. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 13:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dimensions

message: I agree with the last comment. Crystal Palace Park deserves a different page from the Crystal Palace. The current situation causes confussion as these two things are not the same. - getafix
WHy do you people (i dont know who) keep combining teh artcile on teh place crystal pacae with the artcile about the bfamous building? or shoudl the building one be renamed The Crystal Palace? - fonzy
learn how to type  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.140.177 (talk) 01:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Crystal Palace Park

message: When they moved the building from Hyde Park, where did they move it to?  Various sources say Sydenham, Anerley, Penge and Upper Norwood (Even Wikipedia is internally inconsistent).  The High Level station was in Sydenham, the Low Level Station is in Anerley, but the whole site was in Penge.  I have not looked at a recent map but the Western boundary of the Crystal Palace Park was also the boundary between Penge and Anerley wards (both in PUDC and London Borough of Bromley).  I know that Anerley ward has been replaced by Crystal Palace ward but I don't know if that included boundary changes Bebofpenge 09:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From the maps i've seen, they seem to moved it to part of the parish of Battersea along the edge of Dulwich Wood where the upper level station was put a couple of decades later. Alec - U.K. 08:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It runs along a boundary ! See Microsoft Live Maps--195.137.93.171 (talk) 02:38, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move from Hyde Park

message: I'm not shore but was it Punch Magazine that gave it the name "Crystal Palace". - fonzy
::Punch usually gets the credit, but Punch's first use in November is predated by 'The Leader', no 17, July 20 1850 (p.1): "In more than one country we notice active preparations for sending inanimate representatives of trade and industry to take up their abode in the crystal palace which Mr. Paxton is to build for the Exposition of 1851. The Commissioners, we learn from the Daily News, have decided on Mr. Paxton's original and remarkable design." Source: http://britishperiodicals.chadwyck.co.uk.
--Dannyno (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I believe the dinosaurs have been finnished renovating. its still closed off so that trees can grow i bileive - fonzy
fonzy- how did you get the photo's? Can the public now get to the dinosaur area? my children were really disappointed to find that area sealed off when we went there last summer... quercus robur
Those photo's I took were on a special tour lst summer when they were redeveloping them, just to show people what was going on. At the moment the area is still celaed off to the public becuase they want the new trees to grow, but i heard ppl can go seem them on tours, btu i beilevthey are painted in their original colours, which is not i dont think the colocurs you will remebmber them. - fonzy
o btw  Latest News The whole of the Top Site is now closed off as tehy are tidying it up from all the tipping and hazadous material. They are now asking ppl in Bromley what tehy want to happen to the top site. Its annoying It being closed off i wnated to get better picture of the higehr level station. I did take one of the North and South Bases of teh watertowers, the laste remaing collum and some omore terraces. - fozny 
PS if you want to suggestion anything about teh top site, therea a form on bromley councils website www.bromley.gov.uk
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Re dinosaur statues- you are right, the megalosaur is a little to the left isn't it? Thanks for spotting that :-) quercus robur
jsut wondering. are you going to add taht photo to Crystal Palace/Images ?
Um not really sure how to do it- feel free to if you want to tho... i'd like to keep it on the main crystal palace page as well tho.... the photo is at Image:Iguanodon1.jpg- cheers quercus robur
That's an extremely confusing first sentence. I had to read through it twice just to understand it. Maybe someone could change it? Pingveno 03:11, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Dinosaurs

message: "But on 30 November 1936 came the final tragedy"
:As I understand it, it's only a genuine tragedy if there's actual loss of life and limb, although informally you might refer to the loss of a beloved building as tragic. Lee M 19:27, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tragedy

message: I've removed the words ", but the same could have been said about St Paul's Cathedral"
It's a valid opinion, but I don't think they belong in an article about the Crystal Palace. 
Perhaps they could be moved to Battle_of_Britain.--jmd 02:08, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: St Paul's

message: The burning down of the Crystal Palace occurred a few days before Edward VIII's abdication - should this be mentioned?
As far as I know no conspiracy theory has been proposed. Jackiespeel 16:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Crystal Palace and Edward VIII's abdication

message: Can anyone explain why a building of glass and steel burnt completely to the ground. What was in it to make it burn so vigorously? Perhaps an explanation of the low temperature required for deformation of steel?--Mcginnly 22:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no flammable material in the upper glass panels; the window frames on the lower stories had some wooden frame elements, yes.  The main ingredient in the initial stages of the fire was the flooring; it appears that a discarded cigarette in a ladies' washroom may have started a slow-smoldering fire which gradually spread through the spaces between the floor joists; when this gained access to the open air, it may have ignited quite suddenly.  Chairs, furniture, the wooden enclosure surrounding the great pipe organ, and other contents of the Palace were the second sorts of things ignited.  The glass enclosure captured the superheated air, and worked as a sort of furnace; eventually the heat was great enough to weaken the iron elements, and even melt the glass (you can still find little round globules of glass at the site).  The BBC's website had a good description of a modern fire reconstruction from which I have drawn these details, but it's been offline for some years now -- I will see if I might be able to recover it via the WayBack machine.Clevelander96 (talk) 15:41, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

text: According to Spike Milligan, his father attributed the fire to the Navajo. Mr Larrington (talk) 09:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Why did it burn?

message: ... instead of dominating the leading paragraph. The lead paragraph at the moment is less than 1/4 about the primary subject of the article, and 3/4 about imitations of it in other places, which completely distorts the article. I will come back and fix this when/if I have time, but maybe others could tackle this sooner. Ian Page 07:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other "crystal palaces" should be relegated to a subsection ... 

message: In the 'Relocation' section, I see two segments '___________Nick was here___________' and a part of the text is in a box. It is not part of the editable text.
212.8.192.18 14:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: This image is just some unknown dude's fantasy of what the fire might have looked like. It contributes absolutely nothing to the article. Why is it here? SECProto 18:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "photoshoped" image of the fire

message: To head a section "Decline" is to accept that arrangements at the Crystal Palace were not static it's entire 82 year history. My Information comes from "the Palace of the People" Jan Piggot 2004 . Page 59 "By a legal subterfuge the Palace and Park were eventually opened on Sundays, but not till 1860. Note 225. On one Sunday in May 1861 there were 40,000 visitors." Note 225 refers to P. Gurney in "The Great Exhibition of 1851 by Purbrick" 2001. page 124. Prefaced on page 58 of Piggott are the words "On Sundays the parks and interiors at Hampton Court Palace and Windsor Castle were open, as Kew Gardens had been since 1841, while the British Museum and National Gallery remained closed."
Perhaps the get out clause was that the Crystal Palace was both a park and a building as well as a private company.Interestingly enough there is a report of a gathering of shop-girls and apprentices at the Palace to protest for half Saturdays in the Art Journal, but can I find it?
Regards Alcohol. Piggott page 59 "The Crystal Palace Company applied for a licence to sell liquor without asking the shareholders, petitioning the Queen in Council in February 1855. The licence was granted, reneging on the original Charter. N227" The note refers to the Crystal Palace Herald of 4 April 1855.
In the Guide [1855 edition] the price listve is as follows
"Tisane de Champagne (not sparkling) 5s 6d
Sparkling Moselle 7s 6d
Port 4s. half bottle 2s.
Claret 4s. half bottle 2s.
Burgundy (Beaune) 5s. 6d.
Bottled Ale or stout1s
Coffee 6s.
Tea 6s.
I'm not sure what  means and will try to start again. The whole disputed section disappearred! I promise I will have all my citations to hand next time, I thought I had the night to sleep on it.Victorian Aesthete (talk) 10:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sunday opening

message: A comment by User:Dbeierl, moved from the body of the article:
"[N.B. The listed height must be a typo -- 408 instead of 108 -- or improper conversion in the reference. Photographs of the rebuilt structure at Sydenham Hill (whose central transept was built higher than the original) make this obvious. The reference at the end of note 2 quotes the height of the original transept as 108 ft which I think is reasonable]."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by McGeddon (talk • contribs) 18:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccuracy in height and glass area 

message: The Duke of Wellington never said: "Sparrowhawks, Madam"  Gash, Norman: Wellington Anecdotes: A critical Survey, page 8-9
06:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Apochryphal Quote

message: I think it would be appropriate to put Sir as Joseph Paxton's title. It is especially significant because he was specifically knighted for his design of the Crystal palace. And I think that fact should be included as well to show how ground breaking and innovative the Crystal Palace's architecture was for the time.  
"He was knighted for the success of this design." - (2009). Paxton, Sir Joseph. Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th Edition, 1. 
SLMAULAN (talk) 06:29, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Relating to Sir Joseph, I recall on a visit (1989) to Edensor Church in Derbyshire, where he is buried, a note (which may have been on a card - I found no guidebook then) that the palace burned down the same day as the local church council decided to remove the railings from his grave for safety reasons. Is there a published account of this coincidence (which may hint at a curse or supernatural retribution)?Cloptonson (talk) 05:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sir Joseph Paxton 

message: Perhaps you are interested in this news for your article:
The “Crystal Palace Guides” series offers facsimiles of the original 1864 guides. Here is the link
--92.76.101.82 (talk) 11:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of stuff like this freely available at Internet Archive. Green Cardamom (talk) 14:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  facsimile reprint of a 1854 edition  

message: There were actually four of them - of which the 1936 fire was the third, according to a leaflet in a file on the Crystal Palace at The National Archives. As this is somewhat OR will make a note of elsewhere and link from here. Jackiespeel (talk) 22:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Crystal Palace fires

message: I'm glad to see the numerous additions to the Conception and design section. However, not all of these new additions are adequately sourced, and the section is now far too long and ungainly, encompassing not only the design itself but all kinds of other issues.  I think we need to break down this section, and move some of this material to subsections; perhaps a new section on "Building issues" coming after "Construction"? Something needs to be done to organize this (valuable) new material. Clevelander96 (talk) 23:27, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conception and design section 

message: Was there any move to apply Window Tax to the Crystal Palace? Jackiespeel (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The Window Tax was repealed on 24 July 1851 -- not quite three months after the Crystal Palace at Hyde Park was built. It wasn't a private home, so it probably wouldn;t have been subject to tax. The Syndenham Crystal Palace was re-erected long after the tax was repealed.Clevelander96 (talk) 18:57, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Window Tax and Crystal Palace

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message: I see from a photo held by the University of Maryland that Thos. W. Ward Ltd., Sheffield, dismantled the The Crystal Palace. (Their date of the photograph, Jan 01, 1851, must be wrong). Does anyone have information on when Wards dismantled the building? Was it before the move or after the fire? See https://digital.lib.umd.edu/worldsfairs/result/id/umd:768?query=sheffield 
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replies: text: Note to self: Wards was established in 1878, so Thos. W. Ward can only have been given the contract after the fire. 2A00:23C6:3B89:8A00:DDC2:6BCF:985B:E9F6 (talk) 01:41, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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