Talk:Voiced velar fricative

message: The sound sample doesn't sound right. My name is pronounced like this, and according to Dutch_language#Consonants, it is the Voiced velar fricative. However, this sound sample sounds clearly softer than the way we pronounce it in Dutch. Where does this sound sample come from? Gerrit CUTEDH 20:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Please note that I'm not a linguist, so I can't really follow the discussion above. I don't know the technical words, I don't know what a voiced velar fricative is, I just know that the sound I hear is not like my name, but it still is linked in the Dutch language article as if it is! Gerrit CUTEDH 21:01, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Footnote #3 on the Dutch consonant chart might explain the discrepancy: for most Dutch speakers, 'g' is pronounced [x], not [ɣ], at least when it's the first sound in a word. (For some speakers it's only [ɣ] between vowels.) Why don't you listen to the sound at Voiceless velar fricative and tell us if that sounds better? Also, before the vowel [e], the sound might be closer to a Voiceless palatal fricative; the velar might only occur near "back" vowels like [a, o, u]. If these sounds are still off, then we might have some work to do. kwami 22:08, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesn't seem to be the right sound clip at all. In fact it's not velar or a fricative. It seems to be the voiced alveolar sibilant (aka z). The people above seem to at least have heard something similar (x or ɦ or?). I haven't edited any articles using sound files, so I don't know if this could be a technical difficulty or if it's just a plain misplaced file. Mathlaura (talk) 16:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This one? It's both velar and a fricative. Peter238 (talk) 16:46, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  It doesn't sound right 

message: Current version says the IPA symbol "ɣ" is the "Greek letter gamma".  In contrast, the Unicode code charts have this character as U+0263 LATIN SMALL LETTER GAMMA , distinguished from "γ" U+03B3 GREEK SMALL LETTER GAMMA .  Would it be more correct to say the IPA symbol is a variant of the Greek gamma?  Stebulus 04:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's what I would call it.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 02:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek letter gamma? 

message: Please add Icelandic... although it's almost an approximant in icelandic.--Sonjaaa 04:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: icelandic

message: I removed the Burushaski and Lakhota examples because these languages have the voiced uvular fricative and lack the velar one. I bet there are lots more such examples still in the list; I especially suspect the Iranian and Turkic ones. David Marjanović 21:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Better yet: in front of /i/, the Lakhota  becomes .  and  are not easy to confuse. David Marjanović 21:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Velar or uvular? 

message: I've heard the [ɣ] sound used after [l], [ʁ] and vowels in Danish--mostly from older speakers, or in very careful formal style.  (For instance, my literature professor in college--a man in his 50s--said  when he called on me; my younger Danish friends would simply drop the last sound.)  Most of the textbooks I learned from (printed as late as the 1970s) also list [ɣ] as a sound of the language, even though it seems to be dying out nowadays.  With the recent developments in mind, would adding Danish examples to the list still be justified?  -- Ingeborg S. Nordén 03:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, maybe put a note that it occurs mostly with older speakers.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 19:03, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Danish? 

message: In at least the southern part of Moldavia, this sound replace 'v' of the literary language, in certains cases. (example: "vin" (wine), read literary is "vin", but in Moldavia is read "ɣin". In other areas of Moldavia (particulary Bessarabia) the transformation goes beyond, and "v" is read "ʒ".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unuon (talk • contribs) 23:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: In Moldavian accent of Romanian

message: Shouldn't the Manx language be added to the table in the "Occurrence" section? Christomir (talk) 17:13, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not. — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 20:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manx? 

message: : It is also a prominent feature of Scottish Gaelic. Indeed, the sound sample given sounds exactly like 'a dha', the Gaelic for 'two'. Ceartas (talk) 01:10, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish Gaelic

message: Is it farfetched to say that  occurs in AAVN as an allophone of  in unstressed syllables? Example word: "bigger" → . Squirrelous (talk) 00:31, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  African American Vernacular English 

message: The pronunciation in the recording isn't accurate, it is more /z/ than voiced velar fricative. Here is an example of the consonant, in Arabic:
https://translate.google.com/?hl=iw&tab=wT#ar/en/%D8%BA%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A8
Exx8 (talk) 23:24, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you're hearing in the recording in this article; it doesn't sound like  to me. And the ghayn in غريب as pronounced by Google Translate is just a little more back than the one in the article: in-between velar  and uvular . If the recording in the article is of the velar , the sound in Google Translate can be transcribed as velar with minus sign below, the tongue retraction diacritic,  or uvular with a plus sign below, the tongue advancement diacritic, . However, since it's really still velar, not quite uvular, it would usually be transcribed with the letter for the velar. — Eru·tuon 00:16, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The recording isn't accurate 

message: Hopefully this is useful for correcting the current wrong audio file: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz9Q38rmXi0 Chris Martin (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Example of the sound 

message: I can't find the word γoines on Wörterbuch Romani-Deutsch-Englisch für den südosteuropäischen Raum by Boretzky and Igla, ROMLEX, or Morri angluni rromane ćhibǎqi evroputni lavustik by Marcel Courthiade. Should I delete this? --YukaSylvie (talk) 01:24, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romani 

message: Is the based voice of the consonant (ɣ) correct? 93.114.24.153 (talk) 20:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  correct or incorrect