Talk:Hungarian Chess Championship

message: IM Gyula Fehér from the Hungarian chess federation was kind enough to send me the info this article was missing. He took the info from  Magyar Országos SakkTájékoztató which is a chess montly magazine which he edits. Some info contradicts the info we had.
* I had to renumber, the information I have is 1948=4th 1962(2)= 21th; 1991=42th; the rest I interpolated, it works if we assume that there was no championship in 1990; I'll ask him about it.
* The 42nd HCC was at the same time 3rd 'Super Championship' organized in 1991 (Budapest, winner Judit Polgár). (1st in 1981, 2nd in 1984, 4th in 1997) 
* Béla Perényi won the Hungarian International Open Championship in 1985 (in Kecskemét). Béla also won the same tournament in 1988. No championship was played however in 1983, 1985, 1987, 1988 
Voorlandt 20:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrections

message: The back cover of Endgame Virtuoso Anatoly Karpov by Tibor Karolyi and Nick Aplin, 2007, New in Chess, says that Karolyi is a "former Hungarian Champion", but he isn't listed here.  What's the deal?  Bubba73 (talk), 03:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's a bit confusing - we have a contradiction that we can't resolve for now; that is, the renumbering that Voorlandt carried out fits well with our previous known years and winners, while accommodating IM Feher's list (see above and "from Voorlandt" on my talk page). However, our lead section says that 1999 was the Men's 49th Ch. (which is a quote from Zoltan Blazsik via TWIC - normally an accurate source). Your discovery does make me wonder if Karolyi was the champion in one of the 'presumed not held' years (it would probaby have been in the late 80s/early 90s, when he was at his most active, 1990 may fit best) and this would make TWIC correct, but some of the other info wrong. It's not going to be something we can rectify easily, without further facts, and to play devil's advocate, Karolyi may have been Hungarian Junior Champion or Blitz Champion or whatever, and the publisher just wanted to 'big him up' to add some gravitas to the book's writing duo. It would be interesting to see if they make a similar claim on the back cover of his other books, like the recent one on Judit Polgar. Brittle heaven (talk) 09:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The book doesn't give any details, not even the year.  Besides some specailty such as blitz, he could have been cochampion who lost first place on tie-breaks or something.  Bubba73 (talk), 14:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

text:  It also says it on his book about Kasparov, here.  Bubba73 (talk), 14:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And now I've found this link  which gives Karolyi's winning year as 1984. Even more confusing, as Whyld gives '84 to Adorjan. Brittle heaven (talk) 14:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is his personal CV, also says he won it in 1984.  Voorlandt (talk) 21:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed 1984 accordingly. Will try to note this in the refs. Brittle heaven (talk) 22:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Will Karolyi ever have an article?  I made a red link to him in several places when I referenced his book on Karpov, but then I removed some of them, thinking he would never have an article.  Bubba73 (talk), 16:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: The Oxford Companion says that in 1984 Adorján won the Hungarian "super-championship", what ever that is.  Is that different from the regular championship?  Bubba73 (talk), 16:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Karolyi former champion?