Talk:Hawaiian phonology

message: Since the Wikipedia "Hawaiian language" article has become longer than desired for an average Wikipedia article, I'm starting up this "Hawaiian phonology" article. The "Phonology" section of the "Hawaiian language" article is currently big enough to be its own article. So to reduce the size of the "Hawaiian language" article, it's appropriate to export its "Phonology" section to become this "Hawaiian phonology" article. Of course, we don't want (1) the same information to be needlessly duplicated in two different articles, nor (2) a complete lack of information on Hawaiian phonology in the "Hawaiian language" article. Therefore, some time will be needed to make appropriate adjustments to the "Phonology" section of the "Hawaiian language" article. Until/While that is done, please have patience with the temporary duplication of material.
Agent X 16:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Starting the "Hawaiian phonology" article

message: :::I'm reverting your revert.  If you check other phonology pages on Wikipedia you'll see that they are accessible in that they are not bloated and so detailed as to be overwhelming, even to those who know little about phonology.  A few reminders here and there about what symbols represent or what concepts mean is one thing, but going into detail about phonological theory and terminology so that it constitutes such a sizeable chunk of the article is off-topic to a certain degree, just as going into detail about election theory is off-topic in an article about George Bush. In addition, I find the tone to be condescending to the reader's intelligence in its simplicity.  
:::Other than the deleting of material I find tangential, my other edits are good quality edits that do not need to be reverted.  I improved the way in which the article indicated the phonemes that have no allophones, changed the tense in the references to sources to past participle, moved the glottal stop section into the consonants section (since it is a consonant), cleaned up the way in which allophones are indicated, and put the IPA notice at the top.  I also changed the representation of D (as in (C)D) to V, since diphthongs are vowels.  If you have a beef with this last item, we can have a discussion on that too.
:::I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were errors in my edits, but those are easily fixed without reverting.  Do not revert my edits because a revert means you blatantly disagree with all of my edits which I think would be unreasonable. AEuSoes1 00:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit 2

message: How can I get /aː/ in Monophthongs to be center-aligned? --99.190.210.221 (talk) 18:54, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: ?

message: The article quotes Pukui and Ebert: "Elbert & Pukui[36] have pointed out that "Certain combinations of sounds are absent or rare." For example, no content word has the form CVVʔV". In reading the [] I don't see that reference. Besides, it seems wrong to me - what about the common words puaʻa and loaʻa? Fool4jesus (talk) 14:45, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The source acutally talks about "CV̄V" being absent and "CV̄CV" being rare. Since V̄ is treated as /VV/ here, the most important point was lost, viz. that the constraint only refers to /CVVʔV/. I'll fix this. –Austronesier (talk) 19:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Rare combinations?

message: I've inserted a citation of Parker Jones (2006), who shows how it is possible to predict stress more accurately in words of 5 syllables, 
but I'm not sufficiently proficient at Wikipedia editing to include the actual reference, which is to this conference paper:
http://www.alta.asn.au/events/altw2006/proceedings/parker_jones.pdf
So if any editors of this page can help, that would be super.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.134.150 (talk) 12:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the reference Erinius (talk) 23:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Added citation

message: Anyone know what Elbert & Pukui 1986 and Roberts 1967 are supposed to be? Erinius (talk) 01:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Issues with Elbert & Pukui 1986 are resolved. I'm still not sure what exactly Roberts 1967 is supposed to be (the reference was added in 2008 by an IP user), though I suspect it may be Ancient Hawaiian Music by Helen Heffron Roberts. Erinius (talk) 21:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Roberts 1967 is in fact Ancient Hawaiian Music and the original text is still pretty vague, though Roberts does actually mention a sound "in between th and z", not in between th and k. I personally suspect a voiced or voiceless slit fricative, or maybe a denti-alveolar(?) but including that in the article with no other references would be OR on my part. Source is here. Erinius (talk) 21:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing sources 

message: Here you have added [ç, ʝ, q, ɢ, χ, ʁ, ʡ, ħ, ʕ] to the list of "acceptable" realizations of /k/, but, with the possible exception of [q], they are hard to believe. If this is based on nothing better than a literal interpretation of "any obstruent that is neither labial nor glottal", I don't think it should be here. --Theurgist (talk) 17:59, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allophony of /k/