Talk:Broadway (processor)

message: How could you say the chip is make in New York when it clearly states on the chip itself when you open up your nintendo wii that the chip is made in canada, not in japan, not in the usa, not in china, but in CANADA. I think we should stop being bias towards america being the best country made by god and give credit where its do for this chips orgin. IT SAYS IT RIGHT ON THE CHIP!!! Otherwise its like saying the first NES was fully designed, produced and implicated in the USA, except Japan just recieved delivery years before.
:Curious though, that it contradicts the press release linked in the article, which says they are being fabricated in East Fishkill, New York.  I'm not saying you are wrong, and I have to admit I haven't opened up my Wii to check.--203.6.205.22 03:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: here are some other links to support East Fishkill as the source:   I just did a google for "broadway wii processor fabrication", I didn't see Canada mentioned anywhere.  --203.6.205.22 03:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The chip is fabricated in East Fishkill, New York, but IBM has a packaging plant in Bromont, Quebec, Canada where it's packaged. Ie, put in a substrate with conectors to the motherboard, closed and labled. I feel for the Canadians that want to feel important, but really.. this isn't that big a feat, packaging a microprocessor. Not if you compare it to designing and manufacturing the actual silicon. The text on the packaging is there for ID and tracing individual chips, not celebrating nationalities. -- Henriok 10:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I've reverted the text, because it was plain wrong the way it was written.  IBM's only 300mm fab is in Fishkill.  The chip appears to be packaged in Canada.  I see Bromont mentioned in a couple of places, but I can't confirm that.  --plicease 20:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CANADA 

message: Jon "Hannibal" Stokes has retracted his belief it'll be a 64-bit processor. Given this was the only referenced claim that pointed towards 64-bit in the article, I've removed that speculation. If someone wants to put it back, I think something authorative should be cited at the same time to back that claim up as, at this point, it's an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary proof. Kind of a shame, I'd have liked it to be a 64 bit system, but, well, if it does the job... Squiggleslash 21:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a G5 

message: According to an article on Arstechnica, Broadway was destined to be the next processor for Apple notebooks.
"At the time of The Switch, Apple was entertaining a plethora of very attractive but unreleased and completely unproven PPC options. IBM had offered them Cell on the desktop and Broadway (the Wii processor) in their laptop line. Similarly, P.A. Semi was trying to lure the company with their forthcoming PWRficient line. Neither company apparently saw the switch coming. I've been told that the final decision to make the switch was done at the very last last minute before WWDC." -Ars Technica (5/20/06)
Maybe we need to incorporate some of the information onto the article.
--Carcur 19:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadway was next Apple processor? 

message: Maxconsole.net is hardly a reliable source. They got it from a guy who calls himself "theguy." Nothing has come from Nintendo yet, I think this is safe to label as speculative.
--71.82.94.124 20:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speeds 

message: I've removed the speculation in this article. Remember: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. - ZakuSage 05:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

message: They have the specs of the Wii there. It is the same as the IGN specs. Can I post the specs yet?
:The fact is, PC Magazine got their specs by reading IGN. AFAIK, any and all repetitions of the "729MHz" figure are not any extra sources; it's all news media jumping on the only available source, being IGN's ancient, unverified claim. Nottheking (talk) 06:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nov 21, 2006 PC Magazine

message: I really have a problem with the following line:
Broadway's purported clock speed of 729 MHz is also exactly 50% faster than Gekko's, at 485 MHz. [original research?][citation needed]
We're saying that we need a citation to support the theory that the processor might be operating at 729 Mhz.  This is astonishingly ludicrous.  You don't need "citations" for "maybe".  If someone had written:
 It has been confirmed that Broadway operates at 1100 Mhz
then we would need a citation.  Saying "It's speculation" automatically means that it's speculation.  Since we're saying that the figure of 729Mhz is speculation, we've defined it as speculation, and thus identified it as speculation.  Do I need to continue with the redundancy?  I think not.  I'll give some time before I remove this citation in case anyone has a good argument for why it should be so tagged.  CameronB 14:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just see that "citation needed" and "original research" flags as  passive aggressive remarks from those who refuse to have on Wikipedia what is commonly accepted but unconfirmed truth. The 729 MHz figure is uncontested, and I rather have uncontested but what might not be entirely correct data here, than have none at all. It should not be advertised as facts though but Wikipedia have ways to display when the factuality of an article is under dispute. I vote for a nice article with data of what is not under contest, common knowledge and an explanations to why it might not be completely accurate data. There's a stale mate now where one can barely touch this article before the puritans cuts it to pieces or pollute it with {or}}. LOTS of articles on Wikipedia is under dispute, probably all regarding history, religion, sexuality, evolution, and cutting edge science, but in those cases all sides get their share of the lime light. Why can't it be like this on this article? It's just silly. -- Henriok 15:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the problem lies in the fact that it's ok if it's not confirmed, we just need to have something from somewhere outside of Wikipedia that references that figure, confirmed or not. Though having both tags at the same places in the article 3 times over seems rather redundant. --Chiklit 01:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Problem 

message: Has anyone found how much peak performance in Gigaflops can Broadway perform?From what i heard its 1.94GF, but the soruce is not realiable.213.198.220.233 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 13:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the case of peak theoretical FP performance, it's simply calculated by multiplying the number of floating-point operations the chip can perform per clock cycle, by the number of clock cycles per second. Note that the results are usually DOUBLE what they may appear to properly be, since virtually every floating-point unit today has use of a commonly-used "multiply-accumulate" instructions, which allow virtually any FP unit to handle two operations in one clock cycle. In the case of the Gekko/Broadway, since the CPU features a FP unit that can process 2 floating-point units in a vector/SIMD fashion, that'd mean its floating-point peak performance would be 4 times its clock speed. (2 numners x 2 operations on each number per clock) Since as far as is known, there actually is no verifiable clock rate for the CPU, the floating-point performance is unknown. Nottheking (talk) 05:58, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathematical Performance? 

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