Talk:McCartney (album)

message: The references to "13 original tracks" is confusing when there are 14 tracks listed.  The original album lists "Hot as Sun/Glasses" as track 5 but this page lists "Hot as Sun" as track 5 and "Glasses" as track 6, resulting in 14 tracks.  Either the track listing should be revised to combine "Hot as Sun" as track 5 and "Glasses" as shown on the album or the references to 13 original tracks should be changed to 14.  I prefer the former, but I don't want to make the change without understanding the reasons the page was prepared this way to begin with.NDC3 (talk) 18:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Hot As Sun/Glasses" is listed as one track (track 5) on the LP and subsequent CD releases. Piriczki (talk) 23:22, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

text: Yes, the medley version (Hot As Sun/Glasses) is the correct form. With this change, I was simply reacting to changes made earlier by Chatbox and then an IP user – eg, this one. JG66 (talk) 01:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: October 2014

message: Hi . Just a thought following your rationale for changing times/length of songs for the album. There are reliable sources from the 1970s that give times for the LP – I'm thinking, for instance, of a book I've come to regard as something of a bible: Harry Castleman & Walter J. Podrazik, All Together Now: The First Complete Beatles Discography 1961–1975, Ballantine Books (New York, NY, 1976; ISBN 0-345-25680-8). Reason I mention it is that, following your changes here, there's potential for widespread changes throughout Wikipedia's album and song articles, because it was quite common to not provide track-lengths before the advent of CDs. What do you think? JG66 (talk) 08:39, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Columbia LP release from the early 1980s has the track times on the label, perhaps that could be used. Piriczki (talk) 13:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I guess. Just checked the CD times against those in Castleman & Podrazik and there are a number of discrepancies. "That Would Be Something" 2:32; "Every Night" 2:27; "Junk" 1:50; "… Lonely" 2:50; "Momma Miss America" 3:58 – those are just a few differences (in fact, not one single track length tallies). On the other hand, C & P list a 2:02 medley on side one that includes (by title) the 8-second "Suicide" – which rather shoots down the book's credibility perhaps, because I don't believe "Suicide" was ever listed with "Hot as Sun/Glasses"(!). Anyway, don't know what to suggest. An early '80s track list can't be bad, of course. JG66 (talk) 00:07, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track listing 

message: I sort of got what you meant with this change – in that, the conspiracy theory dated back to way before late 1969. Aside from that, though, the point is relevant and correct per the timeline (so I was a bit surprised you chopped the whole thing out), because the months after Abbey Road is when the rumours reached their height. (Hence the Life crew came calling.) I think it's an important point to make because it adds to the picture of McCartney being completely off the map during this period – which supports the discussion about the secrecy behind the album, and also that, once back in London also, he completely absented himself from business decisions such as the Let It Be album and film. I've just reworded, per the Schaffner and Sounes. You okay with it now? JG66 (talk) 11:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement "reports of McCartney's disappearance led to the 'Paul is dead' hoax in America" is patently untrue and had to go, and without it the rest of the passage had no context and didn't make much sense so I removed that too. The rumor, even the widespread version of it in the fall of 1969, was underway prior to McCartney going to High Park Farm and there were no "reports of McCartney's disappearance" in any case. The current language is fine except I would change "hoax" to "rumor" as that's a more accurate characterization. Piriczki (talk) 17:54, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Paul is [not] dead" 

message: The photo of the TEAC recorder is my photo (and my recorder), but I wonder how appropriate it is to this article.  It is nothing like the recorder Paul used.  It would be better to have a photo of a Studer w/o a mixing desk.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, firstly, congratulations and thank you for sharing the image! – it's a beauty. I added the pic a year or two back (and I've still not got around to finishing the article for a GA nom) because it seemed enough to at least have an image of a reel-to-reel recorder and the model's not too far off date-wise. But yes, you've got a point, and I'd go for an alternative if a more appropriate free image exists. Would this one be close to the Studer that McCartney used, do you think? JG66 (talk) 02:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  It does illustrate that Paul's Studer had no mixer or VU meters, but otherwise it doesn't seem relevant.  (I was doing four-track multracks with it in 1973.) The one in the picture you link to must be a two-track - four-tracks used wider tape. Otherwise it is like that. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:19, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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message: I was going to add the following to Multi-instrumentalist in the Examples section:
...and then discovered to my horror that there is no citation in the Personnel section here, nor could I find anything more specific than "Instruments" on sleeve and label scans at discogs. Do we have a source for then instruments played by Paul on this album? --kingboyk (talk) 23:27, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a feeling sources such as Madinger & Easter's Eight Arms to Hold You or that Luca Perasi book would all support the list. Even better, Bruce Spizer's The Beatles Solo on Apple Records, which is also used throughout the article. Can you access Perasi or Spizer in online previews, perhaps? JG66 (talk) 06:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

text: OK, I've now added Spizer as a source. There's much more detail about percussion in the book (bongos, maracas, etc) but I haven't transferred that over to the list of contribs. JG66 (talk) 07:11, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much, that will do nicely. Now watch as my addition to Multi-instrumentalist gets reverted :) [But never mind if it does, as we now have an additional citation here, so progress has been made!] --kingboyk (talk) 07:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where does the list of instruments in the Personnel section come from?