Talk:2009 German federal election

message: In the interest of neutrality, I think the sizes of the pictures of the Left/Green co-leaders in the infobox should be decreased to give them a similar combined size to the single leader pictures of the other parties, in order not to give undue weight to these parties.--Roentgenium111 (talk) 22:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two leaders smaller 

message: A user keeps adding the NPD to the infobox, they have no seats so I don't see why they should go in but not say, the seventh or eighth party. The page on the previous election only includes those parties which had previously won seats at federal level. Other election infoboxes e.g. the Spanish, British or Irish don't even do that, including only the main two or three parties. Per past precedent I've reverted this. Valenciano (talk) 21:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's extremely unlikely at this time that the NPD will end up in parliament.  Since this is Wikipedia, nothing is set in stone; if by chance they make it into the Bundestag after the election, obviously they should be added at that time. --Jfruh (talk) 02:26, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parties in infobox 

message: Please don't replace the lead (German federal election, 2009) with "17th German federal election". It's not the 17th federal election to be held in Germany. Strictly speaking, it's the 41st federal election to be held in Germany including parliamentary federal elections and the presidential elections in 1925 and 1932 (not including indirect elections). The 17th federal election was the German federal election, December 1924. Urban XII (talk) 15:29, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Not the 17th federal election

message: For the CSU the article stated "with the CSU receiving a record number of votes in Bavaria". Well either someone is just dramatically inaccurate here (record for lowest numbers?) or the article is subject to CSU-leaning vandalism. I changed the text accordingly. Para-OZ (talk) 02:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They haven't. They had only 3 (now 2) seats more than they would have under PR (45/44 vs. 42), namely overhang seats. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 15:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies, I meant the CDU.--163.1.99.253 (talk) 19:32, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting Results 

message: It seems a little strange to me to include the German Pirate Party in the infobox, when they didn't win any seats. If they are included, why not any of the even smaller parties? What's the policy for including parties in the infobox? Robofish (talk) 16:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There's no clear policy on which parties to include in election infoboxes but looking at previous elections, precedent is on the side of keeping parties to a minimum. Since the Pirate Party didn't win any seats at this election or at the previous election there doesn't seem any good reason to include them. Yes, they had an MP in the previous legislature but he'd defected from the SPD and lost his seat. Valenciano (talk) 19:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree they should be removed from the infobox. EnemyOfTheState|talk 20:15, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, I also disagree with the inclusion of the current map in the infobox. It implies a single-winner voting system by district, but that is not the case at all. EnemyOfTheState|talk 22:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

text: The solution agreed upon was to include the parties that were represented in the Bundestag at the time of the election. The Pirate Party had one member of the Bundestag at that time (they still have, actually). Urban XII (talk) 00:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry but I don't see any such agreement. As for parties being represented in infoboxes if they have seats on or before the election. This hasn't been the precedent that I've seen. Have a look at United Kingdom general election, 2005, German federal election, 2002, Spanish general election, 2008 or Italian general election, 2008. In each case only the largest parties which won seats are included. There definitely doesn't seem to be a precedent for including a party that won no seats either at the previous election or at the current election in question. Valenciano (talk) 08:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

text: How he became a member of the Bundestag is irrelevant. Fact is, he was a member of the Pirate Party, thus he represented his party. It has happened before that MPs have changed party, in the 70s several SPD MPs joined the CDU/CSU and thus became CDU/CSU representatives. Urban XII (talk) 14:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Möllemann didn't join a different party, but remained an independent/non-partisan MP. The relevant comparison is other policicians who have switched party, which has happened before. Urban XII (talk) 14:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The previous switches were official switches to that other party. Tauss does not officially represent the Pirates; neither he nor the party actually make that claim (e.g. see http://www.tauss.de/). Again: No, the Pirates do not belong here. Alandeus (talk) 14:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can I also add that in the UK General Election pages, it is common practice for the smaller parties who had multiple members elected to be excluded from the infobox, so I don't see where this precedent for including all parties with 1+ members comes from. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 22:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Britain is different because it often has more parliamentary parties than there are options in the infobox. Since I don't speak German, I have to rely on the "Piraten Partei" banner at the top of his page, and Google Translate, which seems to have trouble with what is probably the key sentence: "Aus diesem Grund bin ich auch aus der SPD nach fast 40 Jahren Mitgliedschaft am 20.6.2009 ausgetreten und unterstütze künftig die Piratenpartei." -Rrius (talk) 23:07, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Translation: "For this reason, after a membership of almost 40 years, I have left the SPD on June 20, 2009, and will from now on support the Pirate Party." KarlFrei (talk) 07:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pirate Party in infobox? 

message: Last election 	226 seats 	222 seats 	61 seats
Seats before 	222 	221 	61
Seats won 	239 	146 	93
What is the difference between "last election" and "seats before"? Do parties lose seats in by-elections as in the UK?
LaFoiblesse 2009-09-29 16:15 (GMT)
:They can lose seats by by-election, but it looks like they just lost seats by attrition. That is to say, Christian democrats and socialists left (or in one case became a member of the Pirate Party). -Rrius (talk) 20:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There were no by-elections. Most seats were lost due to MPs on overhang seats dying or leaving parliament, some other MPs left their party and became "fraktionslos" (non-affiliated).--Roentgenium111 (talk) 14:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seats before 

message: Perhaps it's worth creating an article specifically about the next cabinet formation, like this article: 2006–2007 Dutch cabinet formation ? JACOPLANE • 2009-09-29 22:02
:This isn't expected to be an exceptionally difficult formation. There will almost certainly not be the sort of exploratory rounds as seen the in Dutch case (or the 2007–2008 Belgian government formation). The CDU/CSU and FDP together have a majority, no one is even talking about any other coalition possibility, and the coalition agreement will almost certainly be agreed upon within the month. -Rrius (talk) 22:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Follow-up article 

message: I would have to say that Federal is used imporperly here in two ways.  First, "federal" refers only to the type of govnerment, having NOTHING to do with a government's national seat.  Second, if any house in Germany could be called the "federal" house, it would be the Bundesrat.  The representatives are sent from each of the Landers and as such, actually represents federalism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.176.14 (talk) 19:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Bundestag literally translates to "Federal Diet", so it's quite appropriate.--Roentgenium111 (talk) 19:06, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  misuse of the word "federal?" 

message: There's nothing here about turnout. I found it by cross-checking this site, which says:
* Germany - May 2009 - Voter turnout as percent of those registered: 99.9% 
Is this true, and if so, how? :) Their listed source is International Foundation for Electoral Systems, but when I checked up on that, I saw Registered Voters: 62,168,489 (September 2009).
(This page says 43,357,542 people voted. Demographics of Germany#Demographic statistics and policies says there's approx. 70,698,840 people older than 15. Discounting people in the age group 15-17, this still wouldn't stack up.)
So it's around 69.7%? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This site had the voter turnout statistics for Germany wrong. (I already sent them an e-mail about it.) They made an error when they took the data from the original source of their table. The 2009 general election in Germany had a turnout of almost 70 %. (Wouldn't it be great if the Amricans could get up like this today?) This 99.9 refers to the election of the Federal President (Christian Wulff) that was held in June this year in the Bundestag just by parliamentarians of the upper and lower house, not the general population. Alandeus (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The turnout was actually 70.78% according to the German article. Only if you exclude invalid votes does the turnout fall below 70%. Still, it was the lowest turnout ever for a German general election.--Roentgenium111 (talk) 16:05, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  turnout 

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message: Hello,
in the section  on "results by state", it is not mentioned whether or not it refers to constituency votes or list votes.  Moreover, it would be nice if we could give the number of constituency seats each party won in each land, but it seems those numbers are not that easy to find (unless you add them all up yourself)
Evilbu (talk) 11:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I finally found it : , perhaps I will incorporate it later. Evilbu (talk) 11:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results by state: how many constituency seats went to each party in each land? 

message: I think we should include the electoral system somewhere in the infobox, I was on this page to check what they use but couldn't find it. --ThatJosh (talk) 17:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of electoral system. 

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