Talk:Boxing/Archive 1

message: Like pointed out back in October by Vinterman this article lacks any information about the injuries often sustained in professional boxing. Can anyone make a brief summary of what the most common injuries are, how they're handled and what impact it's had on the sport? It's about the only thing missing from this article at the moment.
Peter Isotalo 21:35, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Injuries 

message: The fact is, boxing gloves, especially the small professional 8 or 10 gloves, make it easier to hit harder.  Oates discusses this in 'On Boxing' and Anasi in 'The Gloves.'  One of the main reasons the fights could go on for so long in the bare-knuckle days is that fighters couldn't hit with full strength without breaking their hands.  A simple experiment: Try punching a wall with ten ounce gloves, then try doing it with your fist alone.  Guess which hurts your hand more.  The note in the gloves section connects to an article that makes no comment on gloves preventing KOs.Mumblio 04:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gloves Don't Diminish # of KOs

message: If you look at a film's page (take Goldfinger for example) you will see at the end that it contains the text Goldfinger (1964) at the Internet Movie Database,. This is created from the syntax .
Now, as far as I'm concerned, Boxrec is the Internet Movie Database (IMBD) of the boxing world. Could we have a similar bit of syntax (if that is the right word) for individual boxers' pages, linking to their profile? Any suggestions?
:Ahkayah cuarenta y siete 22:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  An idea 

message: Boxing coaches train a wide variety of different ways to throw a punch or stop a punch, so the techniques section will be extremely varied. I understand this problem, but there are absolutely incorrect bits of info that I have found in the techniques section. For example, it is not entirely correct to say that the jab "does not leave the boxer open to attack." It is easily counterable with a slip and a jab or a slip and a lead hook. I wonder how many people contributing to the article actually have boxed? How many know the sport from just watching it? I would like to get a conversation going with people who regularly practice the sport so that we can really clean up the techniques + regulations. Boneheadmx 13:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Techniques

message: 'The cross is the most powerful punch and is responsible for the majority of knockouts'
My trainer insists that it is in fact the hook that claims the most knockouts. What's everyone else's opinion on this?
Tarkovsky
:Yeah, it seems to be hooks, at least for me. I've gotten my share of getting hit in the chin with all sorts of punches, but what really hurts is the hook. I've almost been knocked out in sparring by an uppercut, but that was my fault since I was tired, had my chin up and mouth open. I guess it depends. Some coaches seem to teach left hooks and right crosses only, stating that a right cross is kind of like a faster hook because of the rotation of the lower body and that right hooks are a bit slow. I've always learned to do body combos with left hooks and right crosses, for example. So I guess in that context, a right cross is like a hook anyway. For the article, I think it would be best to omit that bit for right now since we have no evidence other than anecdotal to support the claim that crosses cause the most KOs. I personally would agree with hooks/uppercuts, but I think I'm just going to take out that sentence. By the way, thanks for cleaning up the techniques section, Tarkovsky. Things are looking way better.
:PS: Perhaps we can talk about the possible reasons why there is a higher rate of KOs in pro boxing? 10 rounds or so is really tough, and it is clear by even watching the fighters that they get tired. Tiredness = lowering the guard and/or panting (not biting down on the mouthpiece) and/or not tucking the chin in, which = a higher chance of getting a concussion.
:PPS: I was thinking also that someone should take some pictures of boxers throwing some clean punches as examples for the techniques.
:Boneheadmx 11:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the cross the biggest knockout punch? 

message: I think the medical concerns section as it stood was POV. You can't just have a one sided opinion saying that boxing should be illegal because of medical concerns. You should atleast have some arguments in there for why boxing shouldn't be banned.- Dec 21 05
*Source your comments and I'll leave them in. As it is, the text you entered (which I have deleted again) is original research and does not belong. | Klaw ¡digame! 22:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Medical Concerns

message: are there wikipedia articles on the best or most noteworthy fights by year?  Streamless 19:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Fights by Year

message: A spin-off page for the "10-point must" scoring system perhaps? Would be usable in the UFC article as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC 208.197.234.251 20:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scoring System Spin-Off 

message: European Martial art?
--Vehgah 04:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Boxing labled as a 

message: my dad used this term about about boxer with no shot of winning a fight, does anyone know if this originated in boxing and where it came from...if its a boxing term it should be added to effects in american language--Norton112200 04:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tomato can 

message: The intro says that the legal area is on the front of the body, above the waistline. it also says that the head and torso are especially valuable....Where could you punch above the waistline that would not be part of the head or torso? I mean, you cant punch someone in the neck can you? I dont know anything about boxing, so please lemme know whats up...--Atticus2020 01:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  confusing intro 

message: Fighters like Thomas Hearns, Alexis Arguello are power punchers with precision and skill.  If they face a person with a good chin and body, they resort to box the opponent.  Maya Levy 13:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boxer-punchers = hybrid fighters? 

message: I just changed the Theseus bit in the article.  For one thing, he was a mythical figure.  I have no idea where the original author got that 900 B.C. date either.  And Theseus couldn't have invented boxing if it had previously been done in North Africa and Crete.Mumblio 00:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theseus 

message: is it just me, or is removing a lot of content and moving it to this Professional Boxing article a VERY bad idea!!! --Too Cool 08:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad Idea

message: Firstly lots of things still need citation, thats the major one. Also the popular culture section is enormous and contains entries that don't have articles, it's the greatest sport in the world, of course there's gonna be tons of pop culture appearances; stick to major ones (Rocky, When we were Kings) or fold the whole thing back into the article.
(The Bread 06:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Failing 

message: The article suggests that gloves make knockouts more difficult.  Nothing is further from the truth.  Gloves protect hands not heads, since the bones in the hands are much more delicate than skulls, and mean fighters can hit harder without fear of breaking their hands. There are plenty of sources to back this up.  Unless I get some feedback to the contrary I'm going to delete that.Mumblio 06:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gloves and Knockouts 

message: There are way too many external links at the bottom of this article.  I don't know which ones to remove, as I know nothing about boxing.  Someone who does should prune out about half of these.  Wikipedia is not google, we don't list links to every boxing webpage in existence.  --Xyzzyplugh 20:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: well, by the looks of this article ill be looking after it and improving it as much as possible for next days, until everything is perfect and okay! i stopped checking this article for only a few couple of days and now it seems to me like a disaster --Too Cool 09:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Way too many external links

message: hmm, i see a lot of people are complaining on why there are so many external links on the article.
well, its cuz boxing aint like all other fight sports, cuz they each have a company and organization controlling the (majority of the) industrty, for pro-wrestling theres WWE, for kickboxing therse K-1, for MMA theres PRIDE FC, etc, but boxing   it aint like that, cuz there arent any boxing promotions that control the industry, there are different sanctioning organizations who just have some championship titles and are willing to put boxers names in their title histories, thats all, thney dont hold their own fights and events, and almost any person on earth can hold a sanctioned title fight, if one can pay the required sabctioning fee he may hold a fight, and there are hundreds-and-thousands of promoters out there, and if you search for boxing on google we get like  74,500,000  hits. but no ones puttin that much websites on the article, only the most important websites should be there. boxing is on all corners of the earth, and we should put the most notable websites that cover different regions on the article, so the the links that are already there are pretty much ok, i would say.  --Too Cool 15:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many external links?

message: I have to take issue with the section on punches. The section on hooks says "From the guard position, the elbow is drawn back with a horizontal fist (knuckles pointing forward) and the elbow bent." I don't accept this as the elbow is not really "drawn back". A right hook can be thrown from the guard position without the elbow being "drawn back". Also the left hook is thrown not so much with the elbow being drawn back, but the focus being on dropping / turning the right shoulder to give power to the subsequent shift in bodyweight from the leading foot to rear foot (in an orthodox fighter, of course).
Also, the section on uppercuts reads like an uppercut can only be thrown with the rear hand; this is not the case. Even though many fighters may throw most uppercuts with the rear hand, uppercuts with the lead hand are perfectly legitimate and could not possibly be excluded from a section on uppercuts, as if lead hand uppercuts did not exist. If nobody disputes these comments I will return and edit these sections. --Guardian sickness 23:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punches