Talk:Hashim Thaçi

message: This man is a living criminal and living terrorist. He should be pleced in some group of biographies "war criminals", like Osama Bin LAden and other muslim criminals who killed lots of peoples. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.200.119.107 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Category:War criminals is for people convicted of war crimes. Neither this man, nor Osama Bin Laden, have been convicted of anything like that so far. -- int19h 07:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On categories 

message: Any objection on moving the article from "Hashim Thaci" to "Hashim Thaçi" ? - Regards, Evv 22:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None from here. I thought about doing that last night while I was swapping out the Thaqi spelling within the article, but ended up not doing it because it wasn't clear why Thaci was chosen as the article title, and I was planning to find out if it was because that may be the accepted transliteration into English. I have never been a fan of transliterating proper nouns at all, though, so if there's general acceptance of using Thaçi I'd be in favour. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 23:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there hasn't been any objection and Albanian is written with Latin alphabet, thus no transliteration is needed, just diacritical marks - I have moved the content to Hashim Thaçi and redirected from here. --78.1.109.49 14:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted your cut-&-paste move, 78.1.109.49. Please, read Help:Moving a page. - Best regards, Ev 23:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved. Duja► 11:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is still a different spelling.  Gene Nygaard (talk) 19:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thaci / Thaçi 

message: It is not proper to let this reputation of this person to be left unblemished with the fact that he is, for many people, a war criminal.  At least the fact he is controversial should be placed here.  Not being convicted does not mean that he is innocent.--193.194.63.129 (talk) 12:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A section on accusations of war crimes necessary 

message: There are serious accusations made in the article that Thaci controlled 10-15% of criminal activity in 1997. This is baseless and just because some random guy says that in an website without citing his sources even does not make it true. I'm removing that part until further, more serious citations are found from more established media.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.133.130 (talk) 02:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a reliable source. The KLA has a long record of criminal activity. --Hereward77 (talk) 17:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Really! Your last statement seems to be written like gospel rather than a proper referenced argument. Putting a very serious accusation, against an elected Prime Minister of an emerging state, with only a single highly dubious source as supporting evidence is scandalous. I propose this paragraph is immediately taken off if no other sources to substantiate the claim are found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.199.76 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It is a reliable Turkish news site, so I doubt it has any agenda to push against your people. --Hereward77 (talk) 00:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your people?!? "Our people" spent 500 years fighting against the Turks. In any case, the nationality of the author is beside the point. The main point here is that a serious accusation has been put in article that many people are likely to read and reference in the coming days, when Kosova will declare independence, even though no other source can be found to substantiate these claims. This is scandalous, and it waters down the whole authority of Wikipedia as a reliable reference source - and being a big contributor, supporter and donor of Wikipedia, this is not something I am willing to tolerate quietly.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.199.76 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Nothing was plagiarised, and I'm not from from the Balkans. Axis Globe is a credible news analysis source and has interviewed leading European politicians. Thaci is a communist terrorist whose Kosovo Liberation Army is the military wing of the Albanian mafia and has ties to al-Qaeda. --Hereward77 (talk) 17:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

text: There, I found an apparently well-sourced article that alleges criminal activity and included that.Ossicle (talk) 23:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some copyediting of the block quote from Axis Globe.  I also took out the information about the two attacks on Serbian policemen.  I don't see how that is related to criminal activities, as opposed to insurgent activities.  It might be appropriate somewhere else in the article, but I think this section needs to focus simply on criminal behavior.  //  Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 15:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wow you rely on Axis Globe, run by some ex russian and turkish agents as reliable. One source is not enough. I am sure of that. Give us some more reliable sources to back up your Axis Globe source or remove that one as unreliable. Jawohl (talk) 09:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  whatever, rather than sniping about one source, for corroboration why not go to the new york times archive, type in "thaci hashim KLA criminal."  or just follow the links in the criminal activities section.  it's not that hard.Ossicle (talk) 23:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

text: cool.  it's often really difficult to distinguish between insurgent activity and criminal activity in balkan conflicts - there's a long historical tradition of funding insurgent activities by crime, and the government under insurgent attack is often essentially a criminal enterprise itself.  add in the fact that all sides regularly engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide (and have during times of war for centuries) and the distinctions between legitimate authority, criminal and insurgent become pretty useless.  I think the article would benefit from some of this as context - e.g. the "Trial" section looks pretty silly in the context of the conflict in Kosovo: essentially one criminal warlord trying another for terrorism - but it would certainly just get stripped out as POV.Ossicle (talk) 23:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm going to semi-protect it for a week, due to anon edits like , , , etc.  Superm401 - Talk 12:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. Nominally, Kosovo was within Serbia's socialist republic for the duration of the Yugoslav republic. The year that Hashim was born (1969) was midway between a time when local Kosovans were granted increased power within, and 1974 when they (and Vojvodina) were granted a status giving them the same powers over their respective regions as the other Yugoslav republics. They remained within Serbia but it was symbolic, rather like the post-1999 period. Looking at your area of interest, birthplace, you are absolutely fine to leave it as it is; the Kosovo with which you link the section matches that of his birth. If you'd wanted to add Serbia, so as to say - Kosovo, Serbia, Yugoslavia; that too is fine, but maybe a little cumbersome. Too much information, since a simple click on Kosovo would fully explain how it existed at the time. For the same reasons, I'd prefer to list just "Kosovo", with its automous republic linking through a pipe, just for simplicity, not being painful for the eyes. Evlekis (talk) 15:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accusations of criminal activity 

message: hey - i'm relatively new around here. is there anything other than constantly reverting that can be done about vandalism?  the article's just going to keep getting vandalized until after the whole Serbia-Kosovo thing cools down.   Ossicle (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to semi-protect it for a week, due to anon edits like , , , etc.  Superm401 - Talk 12:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: vandalism

message: Factually speaking, at the time when Thaçi was born, was Kosovo an autonomous province of the republic of Serbia within (the federation of) Yugoslavia or just an autonomous province within Yugoslavia? Ossicle (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. Nominally, Kosovo was within Serbia's socialist republic for the duration of the Yugoslav republic. The year that Hashim was born (1969) was midway between a time when local Kosovans were granted increased power within, and 1974 when they (and Vojvodina) were granted a status giving them the same powers over their respective regions as the other Yugoslav republics. They remained within Serbia but it was symbolic, rather like the post-1999 period. Looking at your area of interest, birthplace, you are absolutely fine to leave it as it is; the Kosovo with which you link the section matches that of his birth. If you'd wanted to add Serbia, so as to say - Kosovo, Serbia, Yugoslavia; that too is fine, but maybe a little cumbersome. Too much information, since a simple click on Kosovo would fully explain how it existed at the time. For the same reasons, I'd prefer to list just "Kosovo", with its automous republic linking through a pipe, just for simplicity, not being painful for the eyes. Evlekis (talk) 15:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: birthplace

message: It’s strange to put premier Thaci in this category, since he was never been convicted and, outside Serbia, nobody serioulsy accused him or condemned him for nothing. If Srebrenica Massacre masters Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic are not in the Category:Criminals, so Thaci should not belong to it, too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.1.162.55 (talk) 02:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: “''Category:Criminals''”?

message: I tagged two items for further references - his religion and his birthplace.  Those two seem to get reverted a lot, and i haven't seen sources for either.  I also removed him from the categories for Criminal, Kosovo Criminal, and Arms Smuggler.  I'm not denying that he is those things, but he is primarily a prime minister and rebel leader.  If we were to add criminal categories to everyone who deserves it, half of the US Congress would be tagged (I'm American, so I can say that :) ).  Please discuss here before readding to avoid a revert war.  //  Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 15:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've requested page protection.  We'll see what the admins do, because this is ridiculous.  //  Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 00:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: um, seriously, so the game here is just to revert vandalism as it occurs?  like whack-a-mole only not any fun at all?  Ossicle (talk) 23:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've requested page protection.  We'll see what the admins do, because this is ridiculous.  //  Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 00:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: vandalism, again

message: The above mentioned paragraph is totally based on articles written by a biased journalists. Until the errors are fixed this article should be marked with NPOV-tag since it is against the WP rules on how o write bio's on living persons. I hope you understand and rewrite the section otherwise this article will continue to be biased. --Noah30 (talk) 16:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost everything in that paragraph is sourced the BBC, the CS monitor and other reliable sources.  It accurately reflects what has been reported in those reliable sources.  I know because I wrote most of it.  And if you want other credible sources of similar stature, I'd be happy to provide them: it's easy to do because that paragraph reflects the consensus position of most reliable journalists at that time and since.  If that paragraph contradicts what you think you know, go to the Times archive or the BBC archive and spend a little while reading up.  And if you do find credible contradictory sources, please do add them without removing well sourced assertions (e.g. the ones in that paragraph).  Or isn't that the way it's supposed to work? Ossicle (talk) 03:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The sources are being used wrongly and to paint a bad picture of Thaci. Some of the sources mention Thaci but most of them doesn’t and those who mention refer to rumors. In order to include anything Thaci must have been convicted by an independent court. So far he is not convicted he remains innocent and calling him criminal is just propaganda, nothing else. What is being written about Thaci would have caused scandals if it was written in the bio of e.g. Kostunica. I believe WP should be unbiased and not become a channel where you can "brainwash" with one-sided propaganda as we see in this case. I will very soon come back and present facts that say the opposite. In the end I must mention that I am NOT a supporter of Thaci or his party.--Noah30 (talk) 08:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but you seem to misunderstand Wikipedia's policies on reliable sources.  The article goes no further than any of the sources - it does not say that he was convicted of crimes, only that he has been associated with criminal activities.  Nowhere do we require that a person be convicted of a crime to have such information reported in their article.  If you have other sources, feel free to add them; if we disagree, we can discuss it here.  //  Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 12:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: so how long does that NPOV tag stay up?  Noah30 pretty obviously misunderstands WP:RS and also seems to be a bit slow in coming up with anything to add.  There's nothing wrong with what's there: multiple articles are sourced and accurately represented, and I did check for disconfirmation - there isn't anything credible out there to contradict what's sourced here.Ossicle (talk) 22:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

text:  How about now?  Can that NPOV tag come down yet?  There's no dispute on-going here, so...Ossicle (talk) 21:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criminal activities??? 

message: The constant nomenclature edits are tiresome already. Can we just pick one and stick with it? Please?  "Kosovo" seems standard in English-language journalism so I'm going to start editing anything else, unless someone has a good reason not to. For that matter, how about standard English-language media rendering all around? (Should this article really be another place for people to demonstrate their nationalist bona fides?)Ossicle (talk) 21:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosovo/Kosova 

message: To head off an edit war between user:Ossicle and user:Evlekis, I've made a compromise version incorporating some elements of both your edits.  The biggest changes are that I removed references to Thaci as a warlord - it's a controversial designation, and I didn't see any of the listed sources referring to him as that.  The other words I removed were unsupported by their sources.  As for the independence/separation dispute, Kosovo did not declare separation from Serbia but independence.  Yes, most of the world has not recognized this independence as of now, but that doesn't change their intent.  I also don't see why the last sentence was removed.  //  Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 20:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's really necessary to mention "Kosovar" in the header, simply because it's so obvious.  But no objections here.  Again, with independence rather than separation, I see them as synonymous, but I won't revert.  //  Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 03:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

text: re: "Kosovar" in header: there's a couple reasons I think it's important.  first, the above mentioned systematic attempt by some editors to disassociate the words "Kosovo" and "independence," which is completely out of place in WP for reasons discussed below; second, it's accurate: the government of a place called "Kosovo" declared itself to be something they call "independent."  The same thing does with the "independent" vs. "separate" argument: when the KLA sat down with to negotiate, they weren't asking for "separation," they were asking for "full national independence" - and I know 'cause that's what it says in the sources.  But there's something else important going on here: while they sound synonymous, the difference isn't at all minor.  Using "separate" serves to obscure the current state of Kosovo pursuing and having basically achieved "independence:" e.g. a state of internationally recognized sovereignty.  If it continues I will go back to the sources and pull quotes in order to make it harder to obscure these things short of actual vandalism.Ossicle (talk) 05:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV wording 

message: Ok, this has come up over at the KLA article too: the organ trafficking allegations all come from a single source promoting a forthcoming book.  They are second-hand or third-hand allegations - e.g. Le Monde reporting (in French) that del Ponte's book contains allegations substantiated by "reliable sources."  There are several sources (one or two Serbian language reports, one French, an English one from Fox News) but each one contains EXACTLY THE SAME INFORMATION: they can't corroborate one another or substantiate the allegations further.  
In my opinion, because the allegations are about trafficking in HUMAN ORGANS - e.g. are incredibly inflammatory, on par with calling them cannibals or vampires - reports of this kind aren't sufficient proof for WP: exceptional claims require exceptional sources WP:RS.  Someone should actually read del Ponte's book, pull quotes from the original and place them in context - e.g. saying "she says they sold organs" isn't as useful as saying "As part of her work as prosecutor, X source made Y allegation to del Ponte.  These allegations are substantiated by Z, A, B..." - and then they could be included.  I feel very strongly about this, and will revert until someone gives me a really, really good reason not to. 
 
Also, people seem to be under the impression that anything is appropriate so long as it's clearly labeled an "allegation."  This is not the case: Wikipedia:Fringe theories: "Organizations and individuals that express views that are widely acknowledged as extremist should be used only as sources about themselves in articles about themselves or their activities, and any information used must be directly relevant to the subject and their cause of notability. Articles using such sources should not repeat any contentious claims, or any claims made about third parties, unless those claims have also been published by reliable sources."
Ossicle (talk) 22:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: accusations of organ trafficking 

message: Where do you have the informantion from about Thaci being head of KLA during 90's? He was only a spokesperson as far as I know. --Noah30 (talk) 18:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, don't know where that "political director" bit came from, but it wasn't from the source referenced.  I took it out.  In some form or another, it probably originates here  - a source I'm not particularly happy with because it's already been the basis of a number of edit-wars.  It's obviously biased (anti-Thaci), is very, very sensationalistic, is from an obscure (to me) organization, and contains way too many specific, petty accusations found in no other credible source.  (Not to say that Thaçi isn't any, or indeed all,  of the things the article say he is, just that that article isn't a useful source for the purposes of WP.)  I've tried to trim it out as much as possible and rely on sources like the New York Times and the BBC, both of which has extensive online archives searchable by keyword.  Ossicle (talk) 19:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thaci has never been head of KLA 

message: Attack on his family, attack on the nation. Mr. Thaci was not at Pristina home in the Arberia district, on June 6, 2008, but his wife and son were present but unhurt, in the armed 2nd floor balcony attack, when security guards exchanged fire with intruders who fled, and at least one was wounded.news.bbc.co.uk, Armed attack at Kosovo PM's home President Fatmir Sejdiu condemned the attack: "This is an attack not only against Thaci and his family but against the institutions of the Republic of Kosovo."  Sejdiu's predecessor, the late Ibrahim Rugova, escaped 2 attacks on him after the war, including a bomb attack on his convoy in 2005. swissinfo.ch,Guards prevent "attack" on house of Kosovo PMafp.google.com/article, Firefight as intruders target Kosovo PM's home--Florentino floro (talk) 12:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Armed attack

message: According to worldstatesmen.org 1969.84.134.91.168 (talk) 15:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  year of birth 

message: Well, it seems like outside Serbia, Republika Srpska and Russia, the only Western newspaper that reported the allged crimes of Thaci was Reverend Moon’s newspaper.
Yeah, because the New York Times certainly doesn't count as a "western newspaper".  Or the Christian Science Monitor.  Or the BBC.  Or any of the other credible publications which have reported the same allegations.  Follow some of the references in the section before complaining next time. Ossicle (talk) 18:51, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged crimes?

message: Hashim Thaçi is a Muslim as most of the albanians,all of europe is secular religion and the Bible have no effects in life especially in politics,no one calls the other people of europe or their leaders as agnostic, why wrong informations to Albanians.Thaçi never identified himself as "agnostic",that why i changed it to Islam.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhakir (talk • contribs) 06:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all a suggestion, when you want to talk about something in the talk page, you should not edit the article until a consensus has been reached especially on controversial topics. How do you know that he is a Muslim, just because of his name or because he is an Albanian? Have you ever seen him attending a mosque and prey or saying that he is a Muslim? Thank you. kedadial 15:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: As far as we know, the war crimes accusations come almost exclusively from Serbia — a country which was far from neutral since it participated in the Kosovo War against the its independence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.81.195.174 (talk) 09:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He is recognized as criminal (drug smuggling and human organs traffic) by EU comission and investigator Dick Marty. Probably will be arested by Euleks any time since report came out in decembre 2010. --94.140.88.117 (talk) 10:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: “Alleged”… by whom?

message: I am removing this part "... a Marxist-Leninist[1][2] political party devoted to Albanian popular nationalism." from his biography because the references are missing. The two links provided on the reference list are non-existent.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightphilips (talk • contribs) 08:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marxism-Leninism 

message: Please add the following at the bottom of "Controversies" section:
On December 24th 2010, in an interview for Albanian TV Klan, Thaçi announced that he will publish a list of Albanians who helped Dick Marty write the report which accuses him of organ trafficking in Kosovo.
Djtrifun (talk) 01:24, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Djtrifun, 26 December 2010 

message: Organ_theft_in_Kosovo should be the place to go into details about the organ theft, please dont duplicate efforts on this article. thanks mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 22:31, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any duplication, after all, it's not like the content is a cut-and-paste job. Nothing wrong with a brief mention, the way it is now. It's not like there are paragraphs and paragraphs on it. Athenean (talk) 22:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  well there was no mention of the main article, just to make sure that people know we are working on the main article. mention is fine, but new refs and data should go into the right article. no need for duplication of efforts. James Michael DuPont (talk) 05:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  duplicate data on organ theft 

message: In the picture of Thaci, he appears to be made out of Wax, is that the real Thaci or just a model?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Gradwell (talk • contribs) 05:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wax??? Picture 

message: This article simply does not comply with the guidelines, and unless there is some attempt by other WP users to accept compliance the guidelines allow its deletion in entirety.  While the article is careful to use the word "alleged" it refers to articles (such as "Organ Theft in Kosovo") where this word has so far been refused by Serbian contributors, even when used by the originators of such reports.
As one example (not the worst), let us take the sentence:
"In 1997, Thaçi was tried in absentia and convicted by the Serbian authorities in Pristina for acts of terrorism associated with his activities in the KLA.[1]".
Yes, that is true (except it was an alleged "act" of "terrorism"). It so happens that I have read the judgement. One witness (only one) claims that he was with Hashim Thaci and friends when they decided to ambush the police. The police did not turn up. Everyone went back and had a coffee. Who knows - it might even be true. But only in a totalitarian government would a guilty verdict be brought in in on the evidence of a single witness.
The guidelines require that citations are needed on controversial issues. I see here "citation needed" all over the place.
Dosta. Nema više.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markd999 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Compliance with WP Biographies of Living Persons

message: Lede: Hashim Thaçi,[a] called "The Snake",[1] ([ˈhaʃim ˈθatʃi] ( listen); born 24 April 1968) 
:Seriously? I find it difficult to be believe this is his family's pet name for him. Is he really called Gjarpër by his mother? Or called Zmija by his enemies? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Snake"

message: I have undone this edit, because (a) we shouldn't use BLPs as a venue for political pov-pushing, and (b) it's incompatible with the consensus on Talk:Republic of Kosovo. bobrayner (talk) 00:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A recent change 

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message: There seems to be a disagreement on E. Thaqi's part over spelling of Hashim Thaçi's name being included in Serbian, claiming it is "not useful" and "unnecessary." On the premise that the subject is the head of state of a partially recognized state where Serbian is defined as an official language by its constitution, I believe including this information is relevant. I would like to gather opinions from other Wikipedians on this issue to prevent any edit war.Luka0188 (talk) 19:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm quite hesitant about it and I can't decide for myself whether it's right or not. Jingiby (talk) 19:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Luka0188 you are right. Serbian is a significant minority language in Kosovo and excluding it is a form of discrimination, which is not tolerated in any form on Wikipedia. A similar example can be found on Volodymyr Zelensky's wiki page, where it states on the top the pronunciation and spelling of his name in both Ukrainian and Russian (Russian is a significant minority language in Ukraine). I also brought this up directly on E. Thaqi's talk page, where I elaborate my explanation further. Best regards, Dantheanimator (talk) 18:09, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name in Serbian