Talk:Flag of Libya

message: This flag is currently the 2nd world's greatest idea( next to snakes on a plane of cource).  I don't think this needs it's own article to explain a brief history of Libya's flag and symbolism of the color green--Scott3 02:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, most other African nations have a seperate article for their flag (see the template). Just leave it for now. Killfest2—Daniel.Bryant 02:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep. Every nation state has an article on their flag and a good portion are stubby, like this. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Libya? 

message: I added it, feel free to reword/remove it if you don't like it, but I felt the article should reflect the degree of notice the flag has received because of its odd design.Isaac Benaron 18:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New sentence in the opening paragraph

message: The flag that appears in the upper right corner says that the ratio is 2:3, and yet the flag that is displayed clearly has a ratio of 1:2.  A ticky-tack complaint, but it sort of looks dumb.  I don't know if the image is incorrect, or if the claimed ratio is incorrect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Usuallylogical (talk • contribs) 17:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... The Guide to Flags of the World  shows a 1:2 ratio, the Complete Flags of the World  states a 3:5 ratio, while the World Encyclopedia of Flags  states a 1:2 ratio.  On-line, FOTW says 1:2.  I think we can safely conclude that it's not most typically 2:3 (though FOTW has a note that there may be 2:3 variants)... AnonMoos (talk) 21:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only thing we, the vexillology community, know is the flag is green. Even many of the sources we usually find to be accurate, they have no clue what to say about the Libyan flag, except that it is green. We don't know the shade of green, nor we know what the ratio is. AnonMoos, do you think it is possible we can change the flag back to the green shade we had earlier, but keep the 3:5 ratio, for the time being? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The color change is due to :Commons:User_talk:Flad, who seems to be starting to go through all the Arab national flags and state emblems, and changing various shades of green and red to his idea of a uniform monolithic standardized red and green taken from the pan-Arab colors.  I left a note about it on his Commons talk page, but I only reverted the flag and COA of Lebanon so far... AnonMoos (talk) 04:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the Lebabon stuff. Anyways, I don't have specific color guides for Arab flags, so I will try and start looking when I got the time. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Though hardly a definative answer, :Commons:Image:Tripoli September 1st Flags.jpg is an anecdote for 1:2.  71.205.107.239 (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah in the 1st of september shop owner are required to hang flags on there shop facades. So they hang whatever green cloth they have handy. Not even anecdotal. Hakeem.gadi (talk) 03:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag ratio 2:3?

message: location:north america,bordering the mediterainean sea,between egypt,tunisia,algeria,southern border with chad,niger,and sudan  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.238.243 (talk) 00:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Then go to the Libya article, not this one. AnonMoos 11:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Libya, the country

message: The first paragraph regards the flag as "no design", I doubt it.
Yes the flag is just a simple green field, but this does not necessarily mean that the flag has no design.
Say there should be an official "green color", how "green" did the flag choose?
What should be the aspect ratio of the flag?
These considerations are design also.
After all, the choice that "the flag is single colored" is already a design itself.
Maybe rephrase "no design" as something like "no other pattern design" will be more accurate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.236.69.12 (talk) 04:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "no design"? 

message: I actually saw, a long time ago, the Lybian flag with a Golden Eagle in its top-centre, and I thought it was some sort of presidential flag or something. But now I can't find any source to back-up what I am saying. Did I dream about this or what?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.63.136.38 (talk) 20:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably incorporating the Coat of arms of Libya.... AnonMoos (talk) 10:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was highly likely the flag of the Federation of Arab Republics. 87.211.40.7 (talk) 06:39, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Eagle flag?

message: The rioters against Khaddafi's criminal regime seem to use the old flag of before 1969 as a replacement for the green one. Can anyone confirm this ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.157.145.159 (talk) 10:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes! There are many newspaper photos for example . Also TV footage on the BBC of it being flown in Benghazi. It seems to have lost any connotations with the former King of Libya - certainly I am not aware of any calls for restoration of the monarchy. The Green flag of course is irretrievably associated with Gadaffi's politics. Also its introduction represented a cooling in relations with the rest of the Arab world in favour of closer relations with sub-Saharan Africa. A pity because it is quite a beautiful flag in its simplity. Let's also remember the 1970s Libyan flag which was a close copy of the Egyptian, Syrian and Iraqi flags of the proposed United Arab Republic. If photos emerge of that flag being flown it will be difficult to determine whether the protesters consider it their own, or are showing solidarity with the Egyptians; although, it is the Libyans most deserving of that at the present time... 87.113.88.76 (talk) 22:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well be ready to change the flag if they make the old one new again. :p They might also modify it ofc. TheArchaeologist 17:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately it is still the official flag of Libya until the protestors/revolutionaries officially depose that swine. Then we can cast his old flag into the depths of history. I don't like it anymore than you do, but we just need to wait a day or two more. Be at peace, my friend. =) TheArchaeologist 02:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I think the current format is good: it keeps to the reality that Qaddafi isn't quite deposed but acknowledges that the Jamahiriya is no longer the only government in Libya. It won't be long before that green flag and all it represents are buried. --134.10.30.163 (talk) 02:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

text: There also a vertical tricolor can be seen on a photo by Aljazeera.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.137.114 (talk) 14:00, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

text: It's a bit easier to make I would think, rather than three long peices of material it is just three fat rectangles. Easy to sew imo. TheArchaeologist Say Herro 06:38, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ongoing revolution 

message: A flag of the Tripolitanian Republic would be good to add. 65.93.15.125 (talk) 13:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This website has the flag of the Tripolitanian Republic if someone would like to upload it, . It's the blue on with the palm tree when you scroll down. It should be I'n public domain as it was created before 1923. Spongie555 (talk) 09:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Added image Dn9ahx (talk) 21:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tripolitanian flag 

message: I made an image which shows a flag similar to those that are often seen on TV news reports: with stripes of equal height, and a crescent similar in shape to that of the Turkish flag. AnonMoos (talk) 16:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted that a vast majority of the flags have upright stars, and the star and crescents varying between Algerian and Tunisian style versions, while other have ones that are less encompassing like the ones found on the Flag of Mauritania and Flag of Pakistan --Thegunkid (talk) 14:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

text: How can you make a flag based on what you see on TV? Do you have a picture to support this distorted height varient? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because if you're paying attention, and the angle of view is at all favorable, then the difference between a central stripe twice as high as the top and bottom stripes vs. a central stripe the same height as the top and bottom stripes is really, really obvious.  I'm not claiming that it had or has any official status, just that it's reasonably close to the flags that some people are using... AnonMoos (talk) 00:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Another image

message: Under the History section of the page, with five citations, it is stated:
::During the 2011 uprising against the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi, the 1951–1969 flag – as well as a makeshift version without the crescent and star symbol – came back into use in areas held by the Libyan opposition and by protesters at several Libyan diplomatic missions abroad.
On the Historical Flags section, however, the flag displayed has the crescent and star symbol.
I'd like to draw administrators' attention to this anomaly so it can be fixed asap.
Alex 41.190.90.150 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 07:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The protestors seem to be using modifications of the pre-1969 flag more than the pre-1969 flag itself -- most often with equal stripes, sometimes including a star-and-crescent, sometimes not. The wording is to indicate the range of variations. AnonMoos (talk) 11:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Makeshift Variant of Flag

message: Are we not being a bit premature here by presenting one flag as a current flag and another as a former flag.  Nothing has actually been established yet. Mtaylor848 (talk) 10:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Timing

message: In this time official flag of Libya is the green flag. Only the change of libyan act about libyan flag, national anthem and national symbols could change official flag of the country. The tricolor flag is only proposed flag to change the green flag and the symbol of revolution, NTC and Kingdom of Libya nothing more and nothing less. So don't change the flag in this page.Boniek1988 (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, the NTC, and thus their flag, anthem, and so on are currently recogized by over 70 countries as the legitimate rulers of Libya. Not to mention that the flag is being flown at the Libyan UN mission...208.63.177.188 (talk) 01:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  70 countries is less than half so the Green would be more appropriate untill there is more than half of the countries in the world recognising it. (talk) 16:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: you are just making this up now. Where did you get the idea that a flag becomes official as soon as "half of the countries" have stated they recognize it? There is such a thing as a de facto flag. Did you know that the British Union Flag is merely the de facto flag of the UK? Not a single country in the world "recognizes it" as the British national flag, because not even the UK has an official provision stating as much. It is just used de facto. In a world of lawyers this may be hard to believe, but even today many things are just being done, and an encyclopedia needs to report on their de facto existence. --dab (𒁳) 11:47, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Following their overhasty government I assume! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 03:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official flag of Libya 

message: Well, apologies if I gave away everything I had to say in the subject/headline (still working on my wikipedia rhythm, i'll get there). While I agree that the "rebel flag" deserves mention on this page along with an image, what makes it simple to resolve for me is the following:
1) National flags are determined by the corresponding national governments. Maybe the Union Jack isn't the official flag but if you ask the UK Government, they will tell you that it's appropriate to use it. 
2) In this case, we have an armed conflict where it's clear that one of the belligerents intends to overthrow a sitting government and install a government of their choice. It is easy to see that as part of the information-based war that's happening in this conflict, encouraging adoption of the monarchist flag serves the goals of one of the belligerents. Thus, we can be sure that the flag question is directly tied to evaluating NPOV.
3) Following #1, there is only one organizational entity which will claim to be a government representing the people of Libya and that's the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya including its honorary brother/guide Muammar Gaddafi. As of today, no other organization on earth will identify themselves as a government for Libya -- including the NTC participants who are too busy fighting each other to finalize the formation of an interim government.
These are simple facts and, with reference to my #2 point above, it seems to be a clear NPOV violation to alter the real-life facts in order to give prominence to the rebels. Unless someone can recommend a more accepted course of action, I'd like to leave my comment here for 6-7 hours today and then make changes per the analysis I've written above (absent any objections). I'm convinced that it's the only objective thing to do although I will consider any other framework offered up for deciding that. 
In the interest of transparency, I will add that I'm personally biased on this matter -- knowing many people from Libya, it is my sense that the rebels are primarily foreign or ex-pats' kids who are providing cover for extremely violent Islamic fundamentalist soldiers of fortune responsible for perpetrating numerous crimes against the Libyan people (including racially-motivated summary executions against blacks) -- and, sadly, doing all this in cooperation with US/UK/FR special forces. Having given that disclaimer, I believe my experience with Libyan society is an asset as long as I prioritize my commitment to NPOV Guidelines. I feel that I'm a strong enough writer to do so. 
Thank you. ryan bagueros »  i know en + pt-br + es » talk 14:01, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but whatever they are, their flag represents a grouping which currently has de facto control over the territory where the great majority of the inhabitants of Libya live, and they have been recognized by the United Nations and many dozens of countries.  There has been a promise to set up a formal government in about a week, at which time that objection will be done away with... AnonMoos (talk) 18:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm confident that using the flag of a group that doesn't even claim to be the Libyan government is a violation of Wikipedia NPOV 

message: I've made some changes to the flag which I believe are correct, but which need discussion.
First thing's first, I uploaded the new flag, and when one clicks on it it opens, but the thumbnail doesn't show up, because the svg does not seem to have nominal pixel dimensions.
Secondly, the colours. In the constitution segment, which I have at home in Arabic, the red is described as (الأحمر من لون علامات الاشارة) which I believe directly translates as "red from the colour of traffic signs". In the translation in the file description, it has been translated as "sign red". The colour I used is signal red, as I couldn't find 'sign red' except on one website. There are two types of singal red. The first is closer to maroon, which has a hex value of #9E3C3C, and the other is the brighter of the two which I have used #D83010 (R216 G48 B16) This is the source I used. The black and white are easy enough. The green is described as (الأخضر الدائم) which is correctly translated as permanent green. The colour I have used is #25442F (R37 G68 B47) Source. 
As for the star and crescent, this is how I have understood the following passage:
"The distance between the tips of the crescent shall equal that between the uppermost and lowermost point of the star measured along a perpendicular forming the hoistward sides of these two points. The perpendicular shall form a tangent to the outside circumference of the crescent at a point equidistant from the top and bottom of the flag."
I have drawn it such that the only vertical side of the star is a tangent to a circle I extended from the outside circumference of the crescent. A picture I found of the flag being raised in an ambassadors house seems to coincide with my understanding of the passage Source. As for the Libyan flag now flying in the UN, it seems to suggest something else  and looks like the previous versions uploaded on Wikipedia. Could somebody explain if/why I have understood it incorrectly? 
Please discuss. Jaw101ie (talk) 10:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First, the much more useful link is :commons:File:Flag of Libya (1951).svg, and the area where such things have been recently discussed is :commons:File talk:Flag of Libya (1951).svg.  And you really should not leave a buggy SVG which does not render as the most recently-uploaded version... AnonMoos (talk) 11:59, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Points taken and apologies offered. Further comments will be made on the Commons file talk page of the flag. Jaw101ie (talk) 14:15, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag Corrections

message: Probably the green flag should be moved to the historical section, since the internal struggle is apparently over.  Fishal (talk) 19:09, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: support, but unfortunately nobody seems to care. 99.29.241.124 (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

text: I was also thinking on merging the article of the flag of Libya from 1977 to 2011 to this article, since they're related with the other Libyan flags. Anonymy365 (talk) 06:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaddafi loyalist flag 

message: As the article already contains ample pictures and diagrams, I removed the diagram request tag. If you wish to request another diagram please add a discussion on this page to describe what kind of diagram is requested. --Gccwang (talk) 01:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagram request 

message: Hey all,
I'm seeing a symbol used a lot in the diagrams -- a six-position-cell filled with various dots.  The article seems not to mention it, nor do the image texts for the symbols themselves.  Could someone clue me in?
Gushi (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: These symbols are listed at Glossary of vexillology#Flag identification symbols. I've replaced the images in this article with Template:FIAV, which inserts the same images with mouseover text. SiBr4 (talk) 22:03, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbol used in this article? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Sources conflict on what the flag's stripes symbolize.
Some sources say they represent the three regions of Libya:
Other sources disagree:
Others claim the flag has two meanings:
How should we integrate these interpretations into the article?
-insert valid name here- (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbolism