Talk:Browncoat

message: This seems like as good a place as any, so I may as well ask... does anybody know who coined the term 'Browncoat' as a term for Firefly fans?  I think doing some digging and addressing that might be good for the article.  Maybe it's just me, but the quote from Joss Whedon almost implies that he came up with it, y'know?  Not that it's a bad quote or anything, but I think this is an issue at least worth asking questions about.--MythicFox 19:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  it was actually started by the fans-- am digging up sources now -- plange 02:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, take your time.  I figure it was started by the fans.  What I mean is that I'm curious as to where the term originated, whether it was a particular message board or what.--MythicFox 11:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Got it added same night, sorry, forgot to update here ;-) plange 13:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins as a fan term 

message: ok i have one question, i've seen all the firefly episodes, and i never once saw the independance flag.  so how do we know that that is the actual flag besides it's here.  i just got kinda confused about that if you can clear it up for me i'd be thankful
peace-Three ways round 23:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The same.  I don't dispute the  of the image; but what legitimacy within the 'verse do we have?  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 16:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It was nominated for deletion (discussion), but there's no reasonable rationale for it to be deleted; at most, it should be removed from the two mainspace articles it is used in. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: The version on the Browncoat page conflicts markedly with the one on Wikiquote. A Google search turns up no support for the version on this page, and only three hits outside of Wikiquote itself for the construction on that site. With that little support, I'm loath to change either of the quotes, but obviously one (or both!) is wrong. Anybody know which? ShaleZero 07:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Flan" quote

message: I've added a link to the old official Firefly board where I and poster Mother Magi first suggested the term "Brown Coats" be used for fans on October 4, 2002, predating the other cited links in this article, and predating other posts on the official board. Believe me, as my one super-lame-claim-to-fame, I have dug through that board looking for any earlier post making this suggestion, but I have yet to find one. Kelly began using the term after I had, but I don't think her old blog posts are archived to confirm it. If you do find a post predating mine please correct this page -- and also please inform me. I wouldn't want to go on living a lie, if lie it be. --Boradis 19:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of fan term: As far as I can tell, it was me 

message: Was thinking we should do a section here on this DVD, what do you think? --plange 01:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Done the Impossible 

message: My support was conditioned on the removal of all conventions and other fancruft, which was agreed to by other reviewers of the article. I'm going to remove it now, though I'm sure it will be back. But if it doesn't stay gone, I'll be happy to nominate this page for deletion again. --Boradis 01:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, it's now all gone -- the list of fan events and the linkspam to fan sites -- all of which was in clear violation of WP:NOT. Please do not replace it. -- Boradis 01:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Per the deletion discussion 

message: User Hiding has added back in an external link to Wikia, stating that it was allowable under WP:EL. Checking that site, I see that it violates several of the "Links Normally to be Avoided", specifically the following:
4) Links mainly intended to promote a website.
11) Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups) or USENET. 
13) Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors. 
 
No. 11 is particularly pertinent, because this Browncoat Wiki states clearly that it is intended as a social networking hub for fans of the show. The following is taken from the site's front page: 
This wiki is a collaborative, living archive of Browncoat culture (fans of the sci-fi series Firefly and the movie Serenity), including activities, regional Browncoat organizations, charity events, conventions, meetups, projects, etc.
Therefore, I am removing the link. --Boradis 10:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Browncoat Wikia 

message: Is this fan group really notable? Besides the protest to FOX, I can see nothing that would make it seem notable. Wouldn't this be better merged into Firefly (TV series)? Captain panda 04:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We just went over that and the answer was yes. There's a lot of rationale about this in the discussion. The reason you're not seeing much is that, apparently, it was felt that the accomplishments of the group were presented in the wrong way and the article is a sixth of its former size. No doubt it should be expanded again. --Kizor 12:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

text: They (okay, we) are much more active and evident at :science fiction conventions and the like than fans of many purportedly science-fictional shows which lasted far longer; and their role in the creation of the film Serenity is I believe unique, given the traditional Hollywood disdain for fans in general. Whedon's friendly attitude towards browncoats is by no means unique (the producers of Beauty and the Beast, for example, cherished and cultivated their "Helpers"); but the whole fan phenomenon chronicled in Done the Impossible and elsewhere is sui generis (at least, since the original "Save Star Trek" movement). --Orange Mike  |  Talk 15:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this article notable?

message: There is very little information on this page. Maybe it would be more appropriate as a sub section of the Serenity film seeing as that seems to be the only claim to notability the term has. 110.32.1.105 (talk) 14:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Browncoats existed long before the film; indeed, it is only because of them that the film came into existence. Even if you accepted an argument that the movement is non-notable, the film article would be grossly inappropriate as a place into which the information would be merged. --Orange Mike  |  Talk 15:23, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem optimal to have an article here that has less prose than Firefly_(TV_series)#Fandom. I wonder if, given all the different instantiations of the Firefly universe (TV show, film, comics, RPG), there might be a scope for a Firefly franchise or Firefly (series) article (see The Matrix (series)) which could neatly incorporate a comprehensive section on the fandom?  Skomorokh  15:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Serenity (film)? 

message: This article can't tell if it's about the Browncoat faction in the fictional universe or Firefly fandom. I would submit that the latter is much more notable and thus a more appropriate subject for the article. It's appropriate to mention the in-universe Browncoats were the inspiration for the fan epithet, but otherwise, Trekkie should be our model here. --BDD (talk) 23:56, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but disagree.  Trekkie was a term developed outside of the series, Browncoast developed within it and was adopted by the fans -  as explained in th article.  The scope, therefore, needs to cover the whole related use of the term as explained simply and neatly in the opening paragraph.  Dividing it serves no purpose, other than to weaken it and undermine the arguments used to retain it at afd. DiverScout (talk) 05:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Article scope