Talk:Universal Classic Monsters

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message: Specifically, I'm thinking about Universal's return to some of their classic monsters, like the miniseries "Frankenstein: The True Story," the Langella "Dracula," and "An American Werewolf in London." Is there a place to discuss these revisionist remakes in this article? HumanRain81 (talk) 00:57, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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message: I'm going to attempt some moderation here. 
 and , could one/both of you state as briefly as humanly possible what you believe is the ONE most important or crucial edit you're suggesting, along with the minimum number of necessary sources you think best support that edit? (No need to include any explanation for me; I do not need to understand the content dispute.) Valereee (talk) 19:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding a history section which details 1) how the 1930s began an era of sound horror for Universal, 2) how the studio began to cross over their popular series, and 3) how the after the end of the initial film series the studio has continued to merchandised and market the monster characters in all kinds of media and products.★Trekker (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: While I do think your thoughts on this are well intentioned, I'd suggest against it because you will not find the material you are hunting for. What you are asking for part 1 and 2 is exactly what I intended to do when I first came to re-writing this article. I found very little backing them up Mainly because they are so loosely connected even as their on namesake series. Take a look at The Invisible Man (film series) or Dracula (Universal film series). Even those films are connected extremely vaguely in terms of characters and narrative. Film production in the past is not as documented as it has been in the later years so finding the how and why things were done in that form came up relatively uneventful when I expanded upon House of Frankenstein. They literally just announced the film and what character would or would not be included. That was all I was able to muster up. I appreciate you guys trying to make this work, but if you have read these individual articles, you are looking for material that is currently non-existent. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I'm going to have egg on my face with this, but on further research (apologies for reading the above, but it is relevant to anyone just reading this conversation as well), this book seems to have a wealth of filling in the gaps we are trying to adapt here @StarTrekker. here. I'll try to write something up in a draft and see what you guys think. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

text: The only crucial edit I felt was necessary, I made, and that was clarifying that it is indeed a media franchise. I think the article could use some cleanup, or even a rewrite, showing more examples of products and places the brand has been used but the sources would depend on how many items were added. NJZombie (talk) 20:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

text: If you're talking about adding this into the existing article, go ahead. You don't need anybody's approval to add additional sourced information. Once again though, I don't feel it needs to be a separate or new article. It really has nothing to do with my only concern, which is stated clearly above. NJZombie (talk) 00:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh i'm aware, I'm happy to add it, I'm just curious if it's assisting in what we are doing. With this information, I feel like, its less likely it needs a separate entity that works out. Also, as I was accused to WP:OWN, I feel like it would benefit us everyone to discuss before I make more bold edits. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Hey DisneyMetalHead, I've written a draft here with some new sources I've found regarding this. If you or anyone else could weigh in on it, I think that would be great. User:Andrzejbanas/sandbox/Universal Monsters. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

text: It's fine to be bold. I don't see anyone here saying bold>revert>discuss = ownership. What I see is people saying bold>revert>sealion until everyone else has given up in frustration = ownership. Valereee (talk) 11:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really want to get into debates about that as I don't think I can say anything here that will make anyone disagree with a pre-conceived notion. If there is no further discussion about the content of the page, I'll try to add some of it later today. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I think much has been improved, but I think a move to the shorter name Universal Monsters would be good.★Trekker (talk) 23:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the kind words! I'm not sure if it's so long that it requires a re-name and maybe would prefer it to still have the "Classic" in the title. Most of the home video line adopts the term "Classic" when they get their official branding, so I think not including it would nearly be as wild as dropping the term "Universal". Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  moderated discussion 

message: So  and  and  and anyone else interested, using the source I found above, I've tried to create something that I think could pass as satisfying for the lot of us. It needs work and copy-editing, but I think it is a good start in how we can actually get some meat and potatoes into this article. I've started a draft of it User:Andrzejbanas/sandbox/Universal Monsters here. I don't think this is complete or final or anything, but feel confident it addresses the issues we've had. I'm genuinely glad we all stuck it through with this article, as I don't know when I would have found this article otherwise that has really addressed many of our concerns. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're talking about adding this into the existing article, go ahead. You don't need anybody's approval to add additional sourced information. Once again though, I don't feel it needs to be a separate or new article. It really has nothing to do with my only concern, which is stated clearly above. NJZombie (talk) 00:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh i'm aware, I'm happy to add it, I'm just curious if it's assisting in what we are doing. With this information, I feel like, its less likely it needs a separate entity that works out. Also, as I was accused to WP:OWN, I feel like it would benefit us everyone to discuss before I make more bold edits. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Hey DisneyMetalHead, I've written a draft here with some new sources I've found regarding this. If you or anyone else could weigh in on it, I think that would be great. User:Andrzejbanas/sandbox/Universal Monsters. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

text: It's fine to be bold. I don't see anyone here saying bold>revert>discuss = ownership. What I see is people saying bold>revert>sealion until everyone else has given up in frustration = ownership. Valereee (talk) 11:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really want to get into debates about that as I don't think I can say anything here that will make anyone disagree with a pre-conceived notion. If there is no further discussion about the content of the page, I'll try to add some of it later today. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I think much has been improved, but I think a move to the shorter name Universal Monsters would be good.★Trekker (talk) 23:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the kind words! I'm not sure if it's so long that it requires a re-name and maybe would prefer it to still have the "Classic" in the title. Most of the home video line adopts the term "Classic" when they get their official branding, so I think not including it would nearly be as wild as dropping the term "Universal". Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal