Talk:List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War

message: Can anyone bother writing down how many the Vietnamese claim they shot down? I'm pretty sure there is evidence around that the US covered up their true losses in Vietnam. Not that NVA didn't exaggerate them but still. 
Also wondering if these figures include the figures of the strategic bombing in support of the Khmer Rouge when they defended their "Cambodia" from Vietnamese attack/liberation?79.136.14.46 (talk) 01:15, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Vietnamese claims?

message: These figures are significantly higher than those here:
Vietnam Air Losses
Does anyone know the reason for the discrepancy? The figures listed at the location I gave are for combat losses over North Vietnam. I can't imagine the difference would be made up by accidents, etc. but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the difference is aircraft which were damaged and never returned to service, but not actually shot down? Nvinen 12:42, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbers don't match other reports

message: Just curious if there was a reason army figures are not in this article.  The CNA seems to have not included them in their study, so maybe this is the reason, but they had a ton of helicopters that were lossed not included here if the Vietnam Heliopter Pilots Association figures are to be believed.  Very frustrating trying to get reliable sources.  Have tried to contact the National Archives (they should have the data somewhere), but am not getting very far in their bureacracy.  There are too many discrepancies.  Looks like people have tried to piece the figures together, and are coming up with wildly different answers.  --Hhoblit (talk) 05:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Army Statistics

message: Yeah, I think these figures aren't strictly combat losses. Even if they include maintenance losses, attrition and whatever else they still seem pretty high.
For the Air Force figures, they include both accidental and combat. They also include losses attributed to Southeast Asia but occurring elsewhere, including 6 B-52s (2 in Kadena, Okinawa, 2 at Anderson AFB, Guam, and 2 in mid-air collision over the South China Sea).Buckboard 16:04, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  These Figures Don't Jive, I agree 

message: There is 2 E2C losses listed, however until the late 80´s the navy boasted that the Hawkeye was the only aircraft type they operate that never had a loss, either by fire or accident.
The E-2 losses are listed. Neither was an E-2C. Perhaps Navy hype was a bit misleading.--Buckboard 01:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  E2C hawkeye 

message: The A-5 never flew a combat mission as an A-5. All were converted to RA-5s before the Vietnam war. Therefore I deleted the "A-5 Vigilante" entry and will continue to do so if it recurs.--Buckboard 01:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A-5 Vigilante

message: It's surprisingly hard to find info on USAF/USN/USAF aircrew losses (KIA, MIA) for the entire period 1964-73.  Any info would add to the utility of this entry.
B Tillman, Aug 07
I agree whole-heartedly. I've been trying since 1975 to collect and reconcile aircrew losses and identities for all US military in SEA--it's both formidable and frustrating. btw, it you are the B Tillman I think you are, you have my highest respect!--Buckboard 10:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aircrew losses needed

message: I've corrected information about its first loss; it was Dec 67, not Mar 68. 195.248.189.182 (talk) 12:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-7 Corsair II 

message: What about two lost Canberras in 1970-1971? I can provide some details if necessary. 195.248.189.182 (talk) 12:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian aircraft 

message: I am pasting a paragraph of text from the article here, it looks like the user entered it in to the article by mistake, it is not dated:
This article appears to ignore the very large number of US Army aircraft (mainly helicopters) lost in the Vietnam War.  A number of aircraft operated by CIA controlled organisations including 'Air America' were also lost.  In the late 1970's total US aircraft losses (all types) were reported to have exceeded 5000, more than were lost in WW2.  More recent it has been asserted'Helicopter Losses in the Vietnam War', http://www.vhpa.org/heliloss.pdf that 5086 helicopters were lost in the war.  Most of these will have been operated by the US Army.]--Gliderman 
Thanks Nimbus227 (talk) 12:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not so much ignored as a daunting task for which some editors, including myself, do not have data sources. if you do, please contribute by adding to the article. Thanx.--User talk:Buckboard1 09:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added Gary Roush's numbers. William spurlin (talk) 21:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pasted text

message: I once worked with a vet from the end of the war. He was part of some helocopter rescue group, its been a long time since he told me this so I dont remember his specific wing. He told me, when the war was over and they were ordered to come home, they had shoved several aircraft off the boat into the ocean in order to make it home. Why is there no listing of these aircraft in the totals?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.135.103.152 (talk) 15:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think those were South Vietnamese helicopters escaping from the fall of Saigon, as they didn't intend to go back, they ditched em overboard to make room for other refugees. See Operation Frequent Wind. Ryan4314  (talk) 12:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Aircraft disposal before returning home on carriers

message: I think this article could use some supporting materials, I've added an image of a crashed Douglas A-1 for a start. Ryan4314  (talk) 14:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: If that isn't the single dumbest opening line to a Wikipedia article, I'd be surprised. Aileron Spades (talk) 00:55, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Also, since when did we put a bold title of "Sources", along with a bunch of book refs at the top of each section? (bizarre...) I moved them to... (drum roll) the sources section at the bottom. I'm sure this article needs more work. -  theWOLFchild 15:26, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "There were aircraft losses during the Vietnam War" 

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message: > In total, the United States lost in Vietnam almost 2,300 aircraft, helicopters and 578 UAVs (554 over Vietnam and 24 over China).
>South Vietnam's army lost 2,500 aircraft and helicopters
>USA rotary-wing[edit]
>5,086
i.e. already more than the numbers at the beginning of the article that supposedly include both helis and planes
77.34.188.102 (talk) 07:54, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  the numbers in the article doesn't match between different parts of it 

message: quote: 
" All told, the U.S. Air Force flew 5.25 million sorties over South Vietnam, North Vietnam, northern and southern Laos, and Cambodia, losing 2,251 aircraft: 1,737 to hostile action, and 514 in accidents. 2,197 of the losses were fixed-wing, and the remainder rotary-wing. "
The USAF lost only 54 helicopters throughout the entire conflict? 
Is this actually correct as maybe other losses were US Army, Navy, Marines ? 85.255.233.40 (talk) 15:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been tallying up the B-52 losses of Arc Light and Linebacker II as well, and it should amount to at least 49 B-52 losses (34 F model, 9 D model, 6 G model) compared to the 31 given in its section. 34 were lost in Arc Light alone, something's not adding up here. RocketsFallOnRocketFalls (talk) 22:54, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct figures for losses ?