Talk:North American Numbering Plan

message: The Philadelphia region started 10-digit dialing when the 215 area code was split into the 610 area code in 1994. Bill S. (talk) 23:14, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philadelphia earlier than Atlanta 

message: It might be a good idea to talk about Ringback Numbers. In the old Bell Atlantic days (circa early and mid 1990s), 800-800-6969 was a ringback we would use to identify a line's number during maintenance. Nowadays, 800-800-6969 is a sex line. Derp...
Jeffrey Walton  (talk) 21:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ringback number 

message: What are the reasons behind countries choosing to leave their assigned county code and join NANP? For example, why did Sint Maarten stop using +599? 88.90.14.214 (talk) 18:39, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a paragraph in the international section to address this. kbrose (talk) 21:04, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The :Netherlands Antilles broke up in 2010 as a multi-island "country" following a referendum.  So St. Maarten as a new semi-autonomous country (within the Dutch Kingdom) following leaving that bloc looked at all options. They looked at what the other Caribbean islands near them are using. The other Dutch isles are all still using the shared (+559) which at some point will have to be decided on later.  Or they are switching to phone numbers of the Netherlands itself..
Sint Maarten's country code (internet-wise) was already switched from the old Antilles one of :.an to :.sx, they laid the groundwork for their own currency going forward since the bloc currency was going defunct at some point, they created their own regulator for telecom Bureau Telecommunications and Post, and they created their own airport regulator entity too, etc. No big deal. CaribDigita (talk) 08:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why do countries join the NANP? 

message: Doing so early on would have seemed to make sense, due to Red Line heritage and, again, Canada, Bermuda, and the Caribbean islands. knoodelhed (talk) 06:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was UK once considered for inclusion in NANP? 

message: Is a calculation available for the total capacity of NANP as its rules are presently configured, and comparing that to how many lines are presently subscribed? - knoodelhed (talk) 04:07, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total line capacity? 

message: "Seven-digit (7D) dialing may be permissible in areas with single area codes."  The way I read Ten-Digit Dialinghttps://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/ten-digit-dialing, I think all area codes are required to implement 10-digit dialing.  "[T]he transition to 10-digit dialing must be completed by July 15, 2022."  It might just be the ones that do not implement 988 as a central office but since 988 is not N11 maybe there is another reason.Mrdvt92 (talk) 21:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not everywhere. Maine is not transitioning from seven-digit dialing because it doesn't have any 988 exchanges in the state. Nebraska (I think) also is not changing because it renumbered its 988 exchange. There may be other cases. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 21:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does 988 introduction mean mandatory 10-digit dialing everywhere? 

message: Various businesses are able to distinguish phone numbers that belong to VOIP services and even mobile numbers that belong to prepaid services, typically for the purpose of excluding them from registration. This is apparently notable for NANP since area codes are not used for this purpose, which would otherwise be a transparent method of making that determination. But there is presumably a way to look up these numbers from a central database and obtain the use classification of phone numbers. What is that resource and how is access obtained? Further, what rules govern the assignment and reporting of numbers for a specific use such as VOIP? Are such assignments vetted and regulated by the authority or self-reported and assumed to be correct? Is it legally required or voluntary for a carrier to provide that information? Ham Pastrami (talk) 23:31, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  VOIP and prepaid block assignment 

message: Please explain "Toll Alerting" mentioned in the chapter Dialing Procedures. Vlk (talk) 10:24, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toll Alerting 

message: You are invited to the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Telecommunications/Area codes RfC regarding the notability of articles about individual area codes. Thryduulf (talk) 18:45, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC regarding individual area codes 

message: I've just removed the "international prefix" item in the header.  It suggested that the 011 was necessary to dial from outside the area, but potentially it means that this prefix is needed to dial out of the area.  In that case, it could be reinstated, but it needs better explanation than I can think of in this format. Groogle (talk) 07:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's the prefix for dialling out from a NANP country to elsewhere, as explained in Template:Infobox country telephone plan#Access codes. Certes (talk) 09:48, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, but that doesn't reach out and grab you.  My suggestion was to make it clearer what it means, and this doesn't do it for me. Groogle (talk) 05:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point.  As this issue is not specific to north America, you could make or propose a change to clarify the standard wording provided by Template:Infobox country telephone plan. Certes (talk) 12:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone does not understand the term, which is not all that surprising actually, they just need to click on it to be taken to the page that explains it. A template like this is not intended to be self-explanatory, but to provide information in a concise manner for quick reference. No additional explanation should be in the template. That said, It is not clear where previous Wikipedia editors got this term, it is commonly called international direct dialing (IDD) prefix or code, as the service was called IDDD, but other terms such as international access, or international trunk code are perhaps more easily distinguished and understood. Similarly, Wikipedia editors at one point decided to call the country code as international calling code, which is even more mysterious, as it is almost universally, and by the ITU in standards documents, called the country code. Certainly the difference between international call prefix and international calling code befuddles the straight-thinking mind. kbrose (talk) 13:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this article is about a telephone number "numbering plan", the topic of outcalling prefixes is completely inappropriate here.  Furthermore, the bulk of the world uses a "0" prefix for outcalling to national numbers beyond the local area, and uses a "00" prefix for outcalling to international numbers beyond the country.  North America is particularly confusing, where "1" is the prefix for outcalling to other North American numbers beyond the local area, and the same "1" (properly notated as "+1") is the North American country code for callers in other countries calling into North America. HWSager (talk) 16:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: So, I recommend that (in the sidebar box) "Country code 1" be replaced with "Country code +1", and that "International access 011" be removed completely. HWSager (talk) 16:52, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

text: The international call prefix (011 here) is an integral part of the numbering plan, but it may not be important enough to include in the sidebar.  One concern is that readers visiting North America may wish to dial home, realise that some other prefix replaces the 00 they are accustomed to dialling from elsewhere, and look here to reveal the mystery digits. Certes (talk) 18:47, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Having now read the whole article, I see that the latter portion of the article does also go into great detail on dialing prefixes and procedures.  Nonetheless, my simple recommendation above is still appropriate, since it applies to the top of the article, where immediate elaboration and clarification would not belong. HWSager (talk) 10:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Good point about tourists to North America wanting to dial internationally (and for whom Wikipedia is prime reading material during a trip, haha).  We could keep the reference with a clearer label "International dialing access from within NANP". HWSager (talk) 10:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: International prefix