Talk:Red Hot Chili Peppers/Archive 5

message: I have made some little updates on the Musical style part. I added some information on the drummers' styles and added the "Improvisation" section. If someone could add link to the words I used it would be nice. I don't know how to do it. The Chicken 01:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Musical style

message: This article is a boring mess of information and its badly structured. Infact I think the majority of people involved in compiling it should just give up and go and get a new hobby. When will we see something interesting in this article? Hell, i'd help out myself, but its more of a power struggle than an effort to create an informative and interesting RHCP article. 
172.203.187.35 21:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is a shambles. 

message: As shown by this dif, the amount of songs created with the intention to a part of 3 mini-albums was recently changed to 28 (I thought it was changed to 38, accidentally misclicked some diffs and reverted incorrectly twice). A citation for this information would be helpful to assert the information that the number is indeed 38. Thanks. Cowman109Talk 15:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact check 

message: "In 2006, they completed their ninth studio album, Stadium Arcadium. Although 38 songs were created with the intention to be released as 3 mini-albums spaced six months apart [5]it was released, to mixed reviews, in May 2006 as a 28-track double album."
No --Macarion 23:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stadium Arcadium reception

message: Is this dispute still active?  --Ideogram 05:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been little response to my compromise offer, so it appears things have simply died down with people content with there being no links to fansites. I'll close the case and keep this page on my watchlist. Cowman109Talk 15:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation active? 

message: I recently reverted the edits by User:Concerned conservative as it appears no sources were given for the mass rewrite of the article with much added information in a short amount of time, thus leaving all of it unverifiable. Also, the information read very much like a copy-and paste job (no offense), so it is possibly a copyvio. I reverted it for now so Concerned conservative can respond at the talk page first, as the lack of edit summaries threw me off a bit, too. Thanks. Cowman109Talk 15:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It Does. The problem is the main contributers to this article dont appear to get on very well, just read the comments on this page Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 15:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the above discussions were only concerning fansite links, really - nothing too serious :) Cowman109Talk 15:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another rewrite? 

message: Since the mediation has ended, I've moved the relevant discusson to Archive 4. -- Xinit 23:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation inactive 

message: Anthony Kiedis was also in Point Break
Roxormusic 19:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV and film 

message: It's still trash. What in the hell is the point of making notes about them being in TV in film? That should go on the articles profiling the band members, not the main band article. Paralleluniverse 12:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just started doing grammar and syntax clean-ups for now. I'll think about a wider restructure. MKV 00:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  And one month later... 

message: I added the link to the official website. Is there a reason it wasn't there before? There is a link to an un-official site, but no official site? --Mattarata 14:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: ...is far from the standard of grammar and syntax set by the rest of the article. It seems to contain a great deal of editorializing ("his soulmate"), informal phrasing ("again down in the mess"), isn't cited, and just plain lacks the flow and professional "sound" one would expect from an encyclopedia article. I lack sufficient knowledge of this period of RHCP history to change it. Thanks. Dminutive 01:42, 09 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The paragraph under "1980's, EMI Records" that begins "During the supporting tour, drug problems"... 

message: I have removed the reference to Mel C. I have never before heard that kiedis dated Mel C and after a quick google have only found unreliable references for it. There has also been a similar line removed from Kiedis's own article and there is no men tion of it in Mel C's own article (and if she went out with him she'd have wanted everyone to know, kiedis can do a lot better)
I also happen to know that the woman referenced in the song is my best friend's mum's exboyfriend's ex wife's stepsister. May sound quite far but the exboyfriend was the one who told me, if this had been Mel C I am sure I would have known. --87.194.30.164 18:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mel C 

message: "In the songs Dani California, By the Way, and Californication a character named Dani California is mentioned."
There's no mention of Dani California in Californication. I'm deleting the reference.
Though she is not mentioned explicitly, I remember seeing once that she was the "Teenage bride with a baby inside / getting high on information." I don't have a source for this, but maybe someone else out there does. ColbeagleTheEagle 21:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an article at Dani (Red Hot Chili Peppers) that has a bit of a backup, but could use more. -- Xinit 21:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dani California 

message: I wonder why most users continue to remove "rapcore" from their genre list. -- Egr (talk), 10/19/2006
:The Chili Peppers are in no way rapcore. Their style is anything but, in fact. Even their older material, while heavier, was not obtrusive enough to be labeled "rapcore". -- NSR77, 10/21/2006
::"in no way"??? Some of their songs clearly have rapping or rap-style vocalizations. Crumbsucker 06:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There needs to be a discussion on this. I understand that there are differing opinions out there amongst the writers of this article. That's fine; it just doesn't matter here. If they're not rapcore, find an article that says so. If they are rapcore, find an article that says so. In either case, we obviously need a citation, due to this debate. ColbeagleTheEagle 16:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rapcore or not? 

message: Though I agree with a majority of the themes, none of them have any sources behind them. Surely there is some information out there in a bio. I'll get looking on it, but I'm not very good at finding what I need on the interweb. The one in particular that needs a source is the one about "Snow ((Hey Oh))". In the past two days, it's flipped back and forth between starting afresh and cocaine. ColbeagleTheEagle 21:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed; have already started fixing up the section somewhat, and have edited a few of the themes presented. I'll be removing the Public Enemy references shortly as well; I think that any similarities between Public Enemy and the Power of Equality lyrics are subjective rather than objective in nature, and while the lyrics do list the words 'my public enemy', I'm not entirely certain if RHCP is actually referring to the band in question; it could be a figure of speech. As for the Snow song, I heard from some forums that Kiedis was interviewed about it in a magazine somewhere; I'll try to find the link to the actual interview, if it exists. Mirshariff 08:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Kiedis was referring to the band in question. The lyrics are "I got my tapes / I got CDs / I got my Public Enemy". Paralleluniverse 19:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Themes" 

message: Though a good intro for this article (in my eyes), it seems to use a lot of non-NPOV words. I think it's almost universally accepted that "Californication" was a great album, but calling "By The Way" audacious and saying "Blood Sugar Sex Magik" gave people their first "blatant" taste of the Red Hots seems a bit off to me for an encyclopedic article. Any thoughts on this? I'm not opposed to using words with positive connotations, as long as they're somehow cited with a critic's review. ColbeagleTheEagle 22:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True. The intro should be basically introducing the band, who is in the band, an overview of the band's sound and work as a whole. No positive or negative connotations, just straightforward talking about the Red Hot Chili Peppers. This is an encylopedia. It should give information about the Red Hot Chili Peppers that is relevant and to the point. But in reality, to expect this article about the most  air played band in the world right now to be scholarly is an absolute dream. The best band article on here is probably the article for Sly and the Family Stone. Paralleluniverse 19:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: * Keith "Tree" Barry – saxophone (1987–90)
* Rain Phoenix – backing vocals (1995–96)
* Rob Rule – backing vocals, guitar (1995–96)
* Acacia Ludwig – backing vocals (1995–96)
* Rene Molina - Drums (1989-2006)
* Chris Brennen - Backing bass (2003-2006)
Some of the above seem very dodgy, especially the last two of which i'm going to remove. I'll request citation on the other ones. --LeakeyJee 06:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former touring backing musicians 

message: Isn't this ridiculous? Do we really need a list like this? I don't think someone looking for information on the band is going to find that especially useful, so I'm going to remove it. --LeakeyJee 06:22, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of places in songs etc. 

message: I remember reading the article around a month ago about RHCP holding a record for having a single for the longest time at No. 1 (72 weeks). Is this true? And if it is can someone tell me what song it is?
I can sort of believe they would have a single at #1 for a very long time, but 72 weeks is just excessive: that's almost a year and a half. However, if it actually did last that long, my guess would be Scar Tissue, since they won a Grammy for it. ColbeagleTheEagle 18:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. Scar Tissue was out before It's Been Awhile. so they would have held the record first. Dwnsjane2 03:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Record? 

message: *Chad Smith, starting on the album Mother's Milk, creates rhythmic pocket grooves. He is most notably known for his extensive use of ghost notes and his ability to put his feeling into the drumset. Smith's work has been featured on many albums outside of the Chili Peppers', a testament to his skill. His cymbals are loud and expressive, which definitely contribute to the Red Hot Chili Peppers' sound.
:Very POV, no references.
* The song "Johnny Kick a Hole in the Sky" from Mother's Milk is about the plight and affliction of the Native Americans, and this particular song made the public see Kiedis as of native-American heritage, "I was born in a land, I don't think you understand god damn what I am. I'm a native of this place, Please don't kick me in my face, My race has been disgraced."
* The song "Green Heaven" from the band's eponymous album reflects dissatisfaction with the government regarding its methods in dealing with social and political problems.
* The song "The Power of Equality" from the album Blood Sugar Sex Magik is interpreted as a protest against racism and inequality, notably in America.
* "Californication" is critical of Hollywood's perceived superficiality.
* Drugs are a common theme in several of the band's songs, including "This Is the Place", "Dosed" and "Don't Forget Me", from the album By the Way. "Under the Bridge", from the album Blood Sugar Sex Magik, deals with Anthony Kiedis' personal experiences with drug addiction, whilst the song "Warped" from One Hot Minute is about a relapse Kiedis had following a potent dose of anaesthetic.
* The character of Dani is mentioned in the songs "Dani California", "By the Way", and "Scar Tissue". Kiedis has explained that this character embodies all the women from his past relationships. Anthony also says that Dani is mentioned in Californication when he sings 'a teenage bride with a baby inside'.
* The song "Snow ((Hey Oh))" from Stadium Arcadium, refers to the metaphor of covering one's tracks and starting fresh with a clean slate, which Kiedis states in the album commentary of the special edition of Stadium Arcadium. It does not refer to cocaine abuse.
:This was not written in prose, not referenced and not written very well at all.  I've re-written the section a little using ideas from this list and adding some more stuff. ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont) 13:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed from article... 

message: What's the newest album of them? Pooter-the-clown 19:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stadium Arcadium WereWolf 17:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  album 

message: Personally, I think that the "Improvisation" entry to this article was noteworthy and could have remained in. I've seen footage ("Live at Slaine Castle") where the beginning of the concert is, in fact, an intro. Whether or not this is improvised cannot be known, but I do know that the intro differs from concert to concert, after comparing the aforementioned example and the first song of "Live in Hyde Park". Any thoughts? ColbeagleTheEagle 23:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvisation 

message: Someone more knowledgeable than me should add a section on their notorious "sock man" routine. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.70.143.93 (talk) 23:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing about socks? 

message: In the section titled "breakthrough success" it reads, 
"At the time of the album recording, Kiedis had gone back to using heroin, causing much tension amongst the band." 
But the wikipedia article for Aeroplane says, 
"vocalist Anthony Kiedis' autobiography Scar Tissue...says that several songs on One Hot Minute including "Aeroplane" and "Warped", were written about his relapse following five and a half years of being clean from heroin. He kept his drug use a secret, surprised that no one close to him picked up on it as a result of his lyrics."
So, did the band know or not?
Anthony's book is always right. It's the best source about the band ever.The Chicken 00:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory much? 

message: The singles off of Stadium Arcadium are:
# "Dani California"
# "Tell Me Baby"
# "Snow ((Hey Oh))"
# "Hump de Bump" (US Only)
# "Storm in a Teacup"
# "Stadium Arcadium"
# "Desecration Smile"
Am I correct on this? I know they might not be in order, but I was just wondering. 
WereWolf 17:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles 

message: There seems to be overlap and contradiction in these two sections:
All backup vocals are currently provided by John Frusciante, both live and in the studio. 
While Kiedis is the lead vocalist for the band, Flea provided lead vocals for "Pea" and "Deep Kick" from One Hot Minute. Frusciante often contributes backing vocals.
Flea did provide lead vocals on the songs referenced, and while Frusciante is the primary backing vocalist Flea has contributed backing vocals both live and in studio (example: Scar Tissue, Charlie, Me and My Friends). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.176.188.201 (talk) 18:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instrumentation / Lyrical themes 

message: I think that the album cover images are only fair use in the album articles. Sorry, but I don't think we can have them here. --Guinnog 03:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, we seem to have some unsorted images of the band at Commons.  Someone should go through them and see if any are good for the article.  Jkelly 04:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use images 

message: This section lacks any reference to their drummers (Irons, Martinez, Smith). --Chargin' Chuck 20:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drummers 

message: why is an image from By The Way era?? the fact that for me by the way era is their weakest is unless but for me is more right or put a new image (2006-2007) or one of their bigger quality&success era (BSSM&californication)
:for me by the way era is their weakest
:For you, maybe - I happen to disagree. :) It should be a fairly recent image, though; I think most articles on long-running current bands (e.g. R.E.M. (band) and U2) use fairly recent images rather than ones from nearer the start of their careers, so I've no problem with the date that the image depicts. The problem is the image itself - it's a copyrighted image, but it has no Fair use rationale. It would be preferable to replace it with a public domain image (such as a concert photograph taken by a fan, as in those other two band articles). --Nick RTalk 10:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Nick R. I wholeheartedly disagree with your saying BTW is their weakest album (quite the contrary), but, consequently, don't go running around changing the article to the way I see fit. NSR77 13:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not BTW is a good album or not, what matters is that the picture is recent and is good quality and of course has the correct license for us to use on Wikipedia. ( Davehard 14:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profile Image 

message: "The album featured the familiar blend of funk, metal, and jazz, but this time showed increased hard rock and psychedelic influences. Despite being critically dismissed, possibly due to the lack of Frusciante's more familiar style, the album was a commercial success and sold five million copies internationally."
The album was not actually critically dismissed. Reception ranged from mixed to well received, see the Rolling Stone Magazine review of One Hot Minute from 1995. The bad reviews only seriously escalated  after John Frusciante rejoined the Red Hot Chili Peppers.Paralleluniverse 21:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critically Dismissed my... 

message: The article's quality level drops dramatically following the conclusion of the BTW section. The entire Stadium Arcadium area is in need of revamp and vast upgrading. NSR77 16:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something I've Noticed... 

message: im just adding a trivia section, but can peopel help me, all i can think of is Flea and Anthony are the only members to play on every Red Hot Chili Peppers album
:There should not be a trivia section (see WP:TRIV).  ShadowHalo 01:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: There's quite a few images of the band on Wikicommons.  This would be great for the infobox.  WesleyDodds 04:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free images 

message: I have reviewed the article, and here is what I think:
# Lead is good
# Grammer/phrasing stuff:
##There are a lot of brackets in the first section. I generally prefer to see articles try and avoid them. For example: "The Red Hot Chili Peppers (originally Tony Flow and the Miraculous Masters of Mayhem) were formed by Fairfax High School alumni Anthony Kiedis (vocals) Hillel Slovak (guitar), Michael "Flea" Balzary (bass), and Jack Irons (drums), following what was supposed to be a one-off performance." could be changed to "The Red Hot Chili Peppers were originally known as 'Tony Flow and the Miraculous Masters of Mayhem' and featured Anthony Kiedis as lead singer, Hillel Slovak as the guitarist, Michael "Flea" Balzary on bass and Jack Irons as the drummer." I think the high school alumni bit is unnecessary, but if you feel it's important, work it in there somewhere.
##"One song had been created for the occasion, involving Kiedis rapping a poem he had written weeks prior to the event, as he was stilted by his inability to sing." seems sloppy to me.
##"Thus, the band changed their name to the Red Hot Chili Peppers" could perhaps be changed to "as a result, the band changed their name to _____"
##"Several months thereafter, the band was signed to the record label EMI. However, a mere two weeks before, Slovak and Irons' band, What Is This?, had, consequently, obtained a record deal with MCA. They considered the Red Hot Chili Peppers to be a side project, and therefore, withdrew in order to pursue their prior engagement. Nonetheless, the two remaining Chili Peppers' minds were focused on enduring the hindrance" Sloppy sentences, "thereafter" is not needed. Perhaps it could be changed to "Several months later, Slovak and Irons left the band, considering it a side prject. However, the two remaining members were focused on enduring the hindrance and signed a deal with EMI two weeks later."
##"He, despite their warnings, pushed the band to play with a cleaner, crisper and more radio viable sound, which defied Anthony and Flea." should be changed to "Despite their warnings, he ..."
And that's just stuff I found in the first few paragraphs. The article has promise, but it still needs work on the prose before it can become a GA. Apologies, but I am going to have to fail the article for the time being. If you would like, I can help clean it up, but that would mean that I wouldn't be able to review the article again, should you renominate it. -- Scorpion 15:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: Hi, I tried to condense the first few paragraphs of the article. I'm putting what I've done here, but am I supposed to change it on the article, or wait for someone to review it? (I accidentally took out the links but I'm going to put them back in afterwards, and I didn't space it out since I don't know how. Sorry if this makes it harder to read.)
"The Red Hot Chili Peppers are a multiple Grammy Award-winning [2] American rock band, formed in Los Angeles, California in 1983.
Throughout their career, the band has successfully fused various elements of punk, funk, alternative rock, psychedelic rock and heavy metal. They have collectively sold over 60 million albums worldwide, and also hold the record for most number one singles on the Billboard Modern Rock Chart with 11. Moreover, the band also has a total accumulation of 81 weeks at number one, yet another record.[3]
Inconsistent and unstable lineups have influenced the band's music, style, and success throughout the nine studio recordings they have produced. The most notable of such was the addition of guitarist John Frusciante, following the death of the previous, Hillel Slovak. With the band, Frusciante assisted in propelling the foursome's once turbulent musical career into a successful and popular affair. Their second album together (fifth collectively), 1991's Blood Sugar Sex Magik, labeled one of the most influential albums of all time, has since gone multi-platinum in numerous countries, and become an international sensation selling over 12 million copies. However, during the process, Frusciante became uncomfortable with the newfound success of the band, and quit in the late summer of 1992. The Chili Peppers, employed former Jane's Addiction guitarist, Dave Navarro, for their subsequent album One Hot Minute. Released in 1995, it failed to meet the recognition which Blood Sugar Sex Magik saw, and, as a result, sold roughly 5 million units; vast creative differences between him and the rest of the band caused Navarro to be kicked out not long after.
Frusciante, in his absences, became severely addicted to heroin and almost lost his life.[4] Nevertheless, in 1998 he completed drug rehabilitation and rejoined the Chili Peppers at the request of Flea,[5] much to his and Kiedis' elation.[6] The foursome returned to the studio to create 1999's Californication, which would go on to sell 15 million units worldwide, becoming the band's most successful album to date. It was followed up three years later by By the Way; an album which showed a far more subdued side to the Chili Peppers.[7] Four years following, the group released Stadium Arcadium, making it the first time a Red Hot Chili Peppers' line-up had not changed in three consecutive studio recordings."
Thank you! Jedi feline 10:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  review