Talk:Ship of Theseus

message: There aren't any sources for this section. The link to Treachery of Images doesn't fully explain the argument. Seems more like a musing from an user than a scholar position. Should it be erased?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maracutaia (talk • contribs) 06:52, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is no ship 

message: It feels like the "applications" section is close to being a list of miscellaneous information. The part about Ship of Theseus bands (though interesting) is the clearest example of this. It probably also can be considered original research, although it's hard to know for sure without a citation. Worth keeping an eye on. Wemedgefrodis (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I wonder whether this is simply a false dichotomy: by posing the question as a predicate that can only be true or false, one excludes consideration of a continuum of identity. (One could argue that from moment to moment the ship is still mostly "the same" in both materials and design, but over the course of a century the percentage of materials decreases markedly, even if the design remains substantially the same. Then deciding whether two observations are "really the same thing" is simply a matter of choosing a threshold over some combination of those two proportions.)
Martin Kealey (talk) 00:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  False Dichotomy 

message: An interesting article!
I thought about the fact that living organisms consist of cells that die and are renewed over time as well ... 
https://www.livescience.com/33179-does-human-body-replace-cells-seven-years.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.24.225.161 (talk) 11:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biology 

message: There are two references offered in this article to substantiate the claim that Heraclitus and Plato both discussed the puzzle of the Ship of Theseus. If you read the sources, however, you will not find any discussion of the Ship of Theseus. The reference to Heraclitus is a statement of a belief that "all things move and nothing remains still." - that has some adjacent issues of persistence of identity, but it is not a discussion on the Ship of Theseus (incidentally, this passage isn't a discussion on the philosophical ideas but a speculative etymology of the name Hestia). The reference to Plato is about whether something can be encircled by a thing it is encircling. These references should be deleted and the earliest reference should be the Plutarch unless there are other sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.155.120.196 (talk) 00:57, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heraclitus and Plato do not talk about the Ship of Theseus 

message: I think it would be the same ship because it would still be called the ship of Theseus. I mean the let's say that the Linux kernel has had all its code changed and not one code is the original from 1994 91 or something is it still the same colonel copyright wise the code is different it's changed it's not the there's nothing from the original but it's still called the Linux kernel because the trademark the name it is given is still the same so technically I would say the ship is the same in name only since copyright wise or every board or every code has been changed so that nothing is original but the name is still the same Slinkyw (talk) 15:33, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trademark of Theseus 

message: * "Do Chairs Exist? (at 20m 37s) – Vsauce (September 14, 2021)
* Tweet by @Wikipedia from January 21, 2020
Noted this for anyone interested. Seeaver (talk) 01:10, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention in VSauce video 

message: If there's a good primary source making the connection, a good example might be waves. When we watch a wave of water propagate across the sea, we see it as a single moving "object" (of a sort), though it might be made of totally different particles of water after a few seconds.
* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deep_water_wave.gif
* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shallow_water_wave.gif
* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mouvement_dans_une_vague_en_eau_peu_profonde.gif
Tophtucker (talk) 22:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I guess the existing river examples in the article are pretty close to that. (Thanks Visnu, my bad!) I guess rivers vs waves is like "constituent parts flowing through (sorta) stationary whole" vs "whole flowing across (sorta) stationary constituent parts". Tophtucker (talk) 22:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a nice idea, but we need support from reliable sources. If there's nothing linking this specifically to Plutarch's Ship of Theseus or Hobbes' treatment of it, it might be more appropriate on a more general page about mereology or philosophy of identity.  - car chasm (talk) 15:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waves 

message: The sentence in the "Four-dimensionalism" section that begins "The aforementioned river" has lost it aforementioned reference with a recent edit that removed the "No identity over time" section that introduced the river dispute. 71.213.182.112 (talk) 21:05, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder there is no reference to Heraclitus' saying "No man ever steps in the same river twice. For it's not the same river and he's not the same man." - because it seems to have the very same point. 80.99.222.143 (talk) 20:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  River refence removed creates dangling reference 

message: I can't find a transcription of the quote from Hobbes, so I'm transcribing it here for reference from archive.org for potential future quoting in the article because it's often hard to tell from the academic sources which parts are Hobbes' claims and which are the analysis. the whole excerpt is certainly too long to include in the article and uses technical language, but I think it won't be too confusing to make some quotes from it. 
It's from 1656, so it's definitely in the public domain and I can quote the whole thing here without a copyright violation.  - car chasm (talk) 20:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transcribing Hobbes quote 

message: I've merged back in the List of Ship of Theseus examples and removed the original research. That page was accumulating a variety of non-notable examples, and more concerning, even some scholarly sources that belong on this article! In the process of merging I also removed most of the non-notable examples. Hopefully removing all of the pop culture references will discourage people from being inspired to add their own pop culture references.  - car chasm (talk) 23:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging back in the list, removing the fancruft 

message: Currently, the article discusses Shinto shrines being replaced with new wood every twenty years. A quick Google search suggests that this may be specific to the Ise Jingu Shrine in Japan and is not present at every Shinto shrine as the text suggests. Anyone with more knowledge want to comment and/or update? SoroSuub1 (talk) 02:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems plausible, and the old claim is uncited. I've updated the text to only reference the Ise Grand Shrine, and pulled some citations from that article to support it.  - car chasm (talk) 18:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Shinto Shrines 

message: Really this is the same question. If you replaced one plank on the ship, most people would still consider it the same ship, just repaired, as ships are. Same perhaps with two planks. If you replaced every plank, perhaps it's not the same ship, although if that happens gradually, it might be. That's the argument.
But what if you took a grain of sand away from a pile? Is it still a pile? If you took away all but one grain?
These are both ancient philosophical questions, but in many ways the same question. 
84.68.162.176 (talk) 13:13, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  How much sand in a pile? 

message: its a philosophical question of definitions really. What makes it a paradox? Gjxj (talk) 17:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a significant problem for exactly how you define "same" and "different"... AnonMoos (talk) 18:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  is this really a paradox? 

message: https://www.sheldoncomics.com/comic/ship-of-theseus/
This post has been brought to you from the department of fun. --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 08:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joke