Talk:Canton of Bern

message: I suggest the spelling of Berne rather than Bern. This so as we've got the Berne Conventions and the articles on Switzerland generally use Berne. Kokiri 22:39, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree . -- User:Docu
BBC World hast just used Berne when reporting about the Pope's visit to the city. --Akkolon 11:29, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: I agree entirely. I am sure that Bern should be the article title and Berne should be a redirect, which will pick up references e.g. to the convention. The city (and presumakly the canton) is really called Bern and I feel that we shouldn't impose our anglophone view on that. 138.37.199.199
I cannot agree with this. Rome is also called Rome and not Roma on this English Wikipedia, and the Italian capital is not any more English than Berne. As for Beijing, it's called Beijing in the English article, and not 北京 as it "ought to be" in the local language -- and the French Wikipedia entry on London says Londres and not London. Let's use translated forms where they are available. JREL 09:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Both are indicated in the English dictionary I just looked, indeed. How did you measure the prevalence of the two terms in English ? With regards to the argument above, I agree with JREL over Sandstein; however, if both terms are accepted, the point is moot. The fact that the city's website chooses the Berne spelling is the tie-breaker for me. Schutz 10:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Why is "Rappan" rather German? It is the correct term used for 1/100 of a Swiss franc, it is not cents nor pence.
RickH86 (talk) 15:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The new web site of the canton has some English content. Like the web page of the city of Berne, it uses the French spelling: . ― j. 'mach' wust | ⚖ 06:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bern is certainly more common than Berne in the English usage I've seen. Gene Nygaard 02:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, pretty much every single map, globe, or atlas spells it as "Bern". -The Gonz 03:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is Wrong, Wrong and Wrong. It's so annoying that Swiss german people, often being employed on some jobs, do complete wrong translation into their own language or habits that suddenly are reported as being the "only right" name. They do it for French too, it's what we call "Français Fédéral" (i.e. transforming other names or nouns into their own appreciation of another foreign language.) These people might work for Berne Tourism or even might edit the  official and administrative web-servers of Switzerland, and then, as they are "supposed" to translate and take care of English content, they just write "Bern" in English as they would do in their own language. The Website of the Canton uses in English "Berne". The city of the canton uses in English "Berne". Even the Embassy of the UK in Switzerland uses "Berne". To what it may be, England still "owns" the "invention" of English. And if it's a matter of the number of speakers and then that in the US, they use "Bern", well then the Indian Embassy also uses "Berne" with an -e. We have to respect the original spelling of how it was intended to be and historically too. Diplomacy often used French for a long time, and you can look around Europe, where you have a French translation of a city, you might find some pretty similar translations into English when it doesnt vary radically: examples: Roma (DE), is "Rome" (FR/EN), Prag (DE) is "Prague" (FR/EN), München is "Munich" (FR/EN), Lisbon (EN) is closer to Lisbonne (FR) than Lissabon (DE), Copenhagen (EN) is closer to Copenhague (FR) than to Kopenhagen (DE) with a K-. I could keep on longer. We have the same problem, now we can read "Canton of Zürich" with umlaut, when the umlaut doesn't even exist in English and the Airport of Zurich (probably the most exposed use for English speakers and foreigners) uses the English form without Umlaut neither. Even the only English-speaking Airline (Flybe) that goes to Berne Airport writes "Berne" on its website in English. I keep on saying that Wikipedia should refer to "what it is in reality, officially" and not "what the majority of people think it is". As for example, my village is found on GoogleMaps only in its German version. And 99% of the people there do speak French as a mothertongue. And GoogleMaps keeps on using the german name once introduced and not even "official" because the people who gave the maps of Switzerland have been german-speaking people who were having old facts about my village. Is it supposed to say that my village should be in English "Illfingen" instead of "Orvin"? The answer is definitely "no". The Canton itself names itself "Berne". It's the exact same terminology problem with the City of Bienne in English, introduced as the "City of Biel" in English. Enough of this Germanisation of Swiss names, even here on Wikipedia. -User:Ngagnebin 23:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPELLING? 

message: ====Bern====
Comment: Bern is the canton and city's name in Standard German, the prevalent language in the canton and the dominant language in the city (apart from the Bärndütsch dialect). German is an official language of the canton.
Official websites:
* Embassy of the United States in Bern 09:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage in [[WP:RS|reliable]] English language sources

message: Comment: Bern is the canton and city's name in Standard German, the prevalent language in the canton and the dominant language in the city (apart from the Bärndütsch dialect). German is an official language of the canton.
Official websites:
* Embassy of the United States in Bern 09:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bern

message: Comment: Berne is the canton and city's traditional name in French and English. The canton has some 20% native French speakers, the city probably a lot fewer. French is an official language of the canton.
Official websites:
* City website Uses both forms on the English version of the webpage "Berne" only in the title. 31 July 2008
* Berne Economic Development Agency
* State Archive of Berne 
* Canton of Berne Sustainability Compass
* Address on Swiss federal government press releases, e.g. this one (but see this one which uses "Bern" in the text and "Berne" in the address)
* Government translation of the Swiss Federal Constitution (art. 1)
* UNESCO World Heritage Old City of Berne
* Embassy of the United Kingdom in Berne
* Embassy of the United States in Bern Now uses "Bern". 09:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Berne

message: vs. 
Bern.png vs. Berne-coat of arms.svg
Which one do you prefer? Personally I like the classic better as the colors are brighter and the image is not disturbed by that light effect. Please comment! --Goonies 14:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The one on the right has a better image with a more vivid tongue. If this is real, and not just an effect of contrast, I would be willing to combine this with the brighter colors. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Classic vs. light effect coat of arms

message: Hello ! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 21:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: Was this done before ? 
Why not do this ?
87.245.90.72 (talk) 18:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change Berndeutsch to Bärndütsch? 

message: just did some editing. please please be careful when you refer to the "bernese jura", that is a highly political issue, best keep away from it, if you are not sure. thanks so much --Ajnem (talk) 15:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
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