Talk:Euro/Archive 2

message: The article currently says that the old currencies existed as "subdivisions of the euro". This seems bizarre to me -- they were simply in parallel use -- surely that's a much better term? (I might change it if no one objects, or I might just forget about this page; we'll see!) -- Sam
:I believe the point being made is that the relationship of the franc to the euro, during that time, was much the same as the relationship of the centime to the franc had been.
:: Indeed. Once the Euro was launched in 99, the Franc, DM, etc technically ceased to exist. The franc, DM, etc coins that remained in circulation for a further 3 years were bizarre sub-multiples of the Euro until their removal in 2002. -- Tarquin 22:16 Jan 12, 2003 (UTC)
* Yes, the Euro exists since 1999, and not 2002 in the form of the national currencies! Today's Euro coins are a vision of that, there are 12 (more) different Euro coins. -Pedro 13:18, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old currencies

message: There should be a note on stability and budget deficit control: Appearantly the ECB and the European commission are not strong enough to enforce budget deficit control on the larger economies (e.g., France and Germany).  These countries build up deficits, mostly without facing the problem of increased inflation or increased cost of financing (because most smaller countries still obey to the Euro stability agreements).  This encourages politically influential countries to run deficits larger than necessary. MH 17:19, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Stability and budget deficit control

message: It would be a nice addition if someone were to scan (and possibly montage) the current banknotes.  This is done to good effect in United States dollar.  -- Finlay McWalter 12:27, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Silly me.  It's already in Euro_banknotes. Duh. -- Finlay McWalter 12:29, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Current banknote pictures

message: I'm curious that certain countries which are not even members of the EU are permitted to use this currency. Can someone please tell me how this works?
Meursault2004 19:45, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not permitted to do so by any treaty, but the currency is in use there. The people using the currency simply have their own caches of the currency, much like how in many tourism nations one can pay with US Dollars in the stores without having to exchange it for the local currency.  — Jor (Talk) 20:07, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the answer. Meursault2004 20:36, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Montenegro and Kosovo indeed use Euro and don't have any local currency. But these two "countries" are not members of the European Central Bank neither have any deciding role within it. So when ECB decides to manipulate with interest rates etc. it will consult those 12 members but it won't care how this will affect Montenegro and Kosovo economy. --Fpga 09:59, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Indeed -- the Jersey Military Museum takes Euros, as do some other places on the island. If I recall my visit a couple of years ago, it was cheaper for adults to pay their museum entrance charge in Euros, and children in Sterling! -- Arwel 00:25, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Euro in former Yugoslavia and elsewhere outside the Eurozone

message: There's considerable duplication of content between this article and Eurozone. It seems to me that it would be best to move all the eurozone stuff out to that article. --Shallot 12:56, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication with [[Eurozone]] 

message: Should the recent story be included to this article or not:
Official languages of some countries that joined EU this year use slightly different words for Euro. In September council of members' financial ministers decided that all EU countries (except Greece with its own script) should use "euro" only regardless of linguistic rules of their languages. A few days ago Lithuania decided not to sign the constitutional contract (at the end of October) if it is not allowed to write "euras" in its own way. Four new members (Latvia, Hungary, Slovenia and Malta) supported Lithuania and recently a new compromise was achieved.  All 5 countries must use "euro" in correspondence with EU and it should be used in all official translations of the constitution contract. 3 countries accepted this, but Latvia and Hungary don't. However they don't intend to obstruct signing of the European constitution but want a sort of a declaration that they don't accept this "solution".
The story must have appeared in European Voice.
:Also on BBC News Online  zoney ♣ talk 10:40, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language problems with Euro 

message: The U.S. budget deficit is about 427 G$, or 3.7 % of gross domestic product, while the current account—the broadest trade measure since it adds investment flows—hit a record 166.18 G$ shortfall in the second quarter of 2004.
Could we please not use non-standard abbreviations. I have no idea how much money is being called a G$. If it's an "American billion/European milliard" then why not write it out in full - $427,000,000,000 - which would at least allow people to see unambiguously how much money is meant. -- Arwel 22:25, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Budget deficit 

message: The article currently gives the impression that Denmark has an opy-out but is just in the queue to join the euro in the same way as the new EU countries. In fact, Denmark will only join if that is approved in a referendum, and there has already been one referendum at which the euro was rejected. I suggest that this should at least be mentioned, especially since Sweden's referendum is. 131.111.8.97 04:54, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Nightstallion 13:40, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: The UK and Denmark do have an opt-out clause: They are not obliged to introduce the Euro (even if they meet all of the criteria - what Denmark does). Sweden, on the other hand, is legally bound to introduce the Euro, if they one day meet the criteria (but they deliberately refrained from joining the [ERM], which is one of them). Gugganij 12:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denmark 

message: I'm of the opinion that the image of the Euro symbol in various fonts is superfluous to this article - does it  really add anything to the reader's understanding of the Euro? Worldtraveller 16:19, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of euro sign in various fonts 

message: A number of currencies are missing. I haven't got the time to dig up the relevant info on all of them right now, but I can give you a list of currencies that need to be mentioned and implemented. They are:
Bosnia and Herzegovina Convertible Mark (BAM), Cape Verde Escudo (CVE), Comoros Franc (KMF), the two CFA Franc currencies (XAF and XOF), and the CFP Franc (XPF). All of those were previously pegged to currencies now replaced by EUR, the first to the German Mark, the second to the Portuguese Escudo, the remaining four to the French Franc. Nightstallion 22:37, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related currencies