Talk:Jon Butcher

message: This article is completely unsourced, full of weasel words, and reads like an ad. I don't really see any way of saving it other than a complete re-write. Rees11 (talk) 14:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: What a mess

message: To Whom It May Concern,
I am requesting help from some of you more knowledgable individuals who can help with my  Wiki issue. Not long ago a friend and associate volunteered to assist me in improving my Wiki page because it was previously full of factual errors and other mistakes. To that end I supplied him with relevent factual information and specific detail in order to make the page interesting and factually correct.
Upon reviewing his efforts today I now have multiple [public] warnings at my page and I don't know why, nor is it clear to whom I should be addressing these concerns, or even what the problems with the page are.
I am keenly interested in fixing these problems asap, and as the subject himself I feel that I am in the best position to present factual and complete biographical information. I am therefore posting here to hopefully solicit some helpful direction regarding the creation of my Wiki page which confirms to the rules and is factually complete.
If you can assist please contact me asap.
Thank you,
Jon Butcher
jon.butcher@ca.rr.com
phone no removed, studio
9/25/09
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckandthor (talk • contribs)  21:45, 25 September 2009
(answering on users talk page   Chzz  ►  19:29, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: Jon Butcher Wiki page- help ! 

message: To all that come to this page, please know that I am in the process of editing this according to the policies of Wikipedia and although it may appear unsourced or verifiable, I am earnestly going to satisfy all concerns. I am not able to work on this page to it's completion in one session, so I ask that any of you that see these "violations" know that I am nearby working on the sourcing, etc. and please NOT delete my work. Thank you in advance. JBAxis (talk) 22:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be much better if you could add the sources at the same time you add the text. Is there some reason you can't do this? If you don't know how to format the reference, I would be glad to help. Rees11 (talk) 12:43, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Actually Rees11, I would VERY MUCH like you to help with formatting some references. I think that once I see how it's properly done, I can do the rest, but right now I am having a problem. I have entered info in the INFLUENCES section and can't seem to figure what is wrong. Perhaps you can look at what I did and format it properly. Have at it and thank you very much!JBAxis (talk) 13:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed your ref close tags, which were simply missing a slash ("/"). But the bigger problem is that these sources do not support the text in the article. When you say, "Many people have made comparisons between Jon Butcher & Jimi Hendrix" and give a source, the source should be a reliable secondary source that says essentially the same thing you just said. But it doesn't. Your source is a Sony web site (not a reliable secondary source but acceptable under certain circumstances) that says nothing about Jon Butcher. An acceptable source would be, for example, a story in the New York Times (or other newspaper or magazine) that says, "Butcher is often compared to Hendrix." Rees11 (talk) 14:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I understand exactly what you are saying and I will begin obtaining sources like these. I also appreciate what you did for me - Thanks alot!JBAxis (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

text: One thing - The new sources in the reference section at the bottom look incomplete. Can you format them to that of the last group of them? Also, I clicked the edit link for that section and none of the sources were in there. How come?JBAxis (talk) 18:40, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually you want to put a title into a web ref, not just the url. I've done that to the first one to show you how. It just goes after the url, inside the brackets. The ref text all goes in the main text of the article, not in the "References" section itself. Rees11 (talk) 22:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources