Talk:Black Sabbath/Archive 1

message: According to black-sabbath.com, Dio has rejoined the band, but I donno how verifiable the information is, seeing as it's a fansite. Can anyone verify this? Runedance 05:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dio has re-united with Iommi/Butler. But it isn't Black Sabbath. The new collaboration is called Heaven and Hell. And it is mentioned in the Black Sabbath article as well. 156.34.213.227 10:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Has Dio rejoined?

message: So, any word yet if Black Sabbath is going to go back into the studio? If they are, they won't be the only band with a 12-year studio hiatus: D.R.I.'s last album came out in 1995, too. Should Sabbath decide to return to the studio, they need to make sure that it's something that can stand with the rest of their albums. But knowing Sabbath, they won't go back if they're not certain.
URFG 19:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New album?

message: The wording of this article doesn't sit well with me. There is too much "Black Sabbath is the *real* heavy metal" for a proper encyclopedia article. Either experts should be referenced giving their opinions about how Black Sabbath compares to Led Zep, et al, or the claims about Sabbath's superiority should be removed. Example: "Even though Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Cream, and Deep Purple had a profound influence on the emergence of hard rock and heavy metal music, Black Sabbath was the first true heavy metal band." --iwakura42
Um i think Black Sabbath were the first heavy rock band, i think judas priest were the first heavy metal band. im not dissin on sabbath but they dont really have any of attributes of being metal, with exception to some songs. (even if they were called so by the press) - paulo
:Remember, you can always make edits you think are appropriate and necessary rather than add tags like this.  In any event, take a look at the POV-stripping I just did and, if you think it's close enough, remove the tag.  I didn't touch the later history sections which aren't as blantantly POV but could really use some tightening up by someone who is interested.  Jgm 13:53, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed some bits, out of time now, but really needs more work, I love Black Sabbath, but this is an encyclopedia - not a fan site. If you disagree with any of the changes I made (wasn't logged in - forgot) feel free to change them back, but I simply disagreed with some of them (particularly about influences with modern heavy metal music, I believe what Cream and Led Zeppelin did earlier on had much more of an impact and also the more successful style of them lead to greater influence in that time over Black Sabbath). Simonj2
Hi, shouldn't Sabbath be classified as a Hard Rock Band while being one of the prime influences/progenitors behind Heavy Metal? 61.17.68.48 21:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV issues

message: I've heard that Tony Iommi invented drop d tuning as a result of a missing or mutilated tuning, not sure if this is true, but if it is, it should definitely be mentioned here.  Zelmerszoetrop 03:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He did use lowered tunings to lessen the strain on the tips of his injured fingers...but he didn't invent it. And, even if he did, that sort of info is better suited to the Tony Iommi article and not this article. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 03:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I believe the first guitarist to use it was Robby krieger wasn't it? In the song The end, correct me if I'm wrong —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.194.16.5 (talk) 13:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drop D 

message: I apologize for muddling the issue of the origin of the band name.  The "Dennis Wheatley novel" story is told in the liner notes for the Rhino Records Black Sabbath box set, as it is in most all web bios of the band, which seemed authoritative enough, but a bit more research does indeed show that there is some dispute about this -- in particular there is an interesting interview with Geezer Butler where he discusses the origin of the name of the song without mentioning either the film or the supposed novel.  What does seem to be clear (from many many sources including the "official" biography "Black Sabbath" which is excerpted on Amazon) is that Butler was into the occult and in particular a fan of Wheatley, that he wrote the song first, and that the band was named after the song.  I've re-drafted to reflect this without repeating the seeming wrong conventional story about a novel that doesn't appear to exist.   Jgm 23:01, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  band name 

message: The band presumed recording in 1980 with Heaven and Hell.  The band regained its crown, achieving two top 10 singles.  Bill Ward then left Black Sabbath due to health related issues.  He was replaced by Vinnie Appice.  Mob Rules was recorded in November of 1981, resulting in another success.  
Due to severe conflict over the mixing of the album, Ronnie James Dio left the band in 1983 after Live Evil was released in January of 1983.  The band seemingly fell apart.
Eventually Black Sabbath got together again by convincing their original drummer, Bill Ward, to return to the band.  The band also obtained Ian Gillan, the former singer of a rival band, Deep Purple.  This was a shocking move for many Black Sabbath fans.
The band recorded Born Again with Gillan, becomming another moderatally sucessful album. Gillan stuck with the band until March of 1984 when he decided to reunite with Deep Purple.  He was replaced by Dave Donato.
After a momentary reunion with Ozzy Osbourne in 1985, Geezer Butler left the band.  With their album Seventh Star, released in 1986, guitarist Tony Iommi emphasized his guitar playing for the first time.  Another Deep Purple singer, Glenn Hughes, was aquired as part of the band for the recording of the album.  He was eventually replaced by Ray Gillen in March of 1986, Tony Iommi was now practically the head of the band, and changes needed to be made.  At this point, Black Sabbath's most unsuccessful album ever was released, Eternal Idol.
In the spring of 1988, Kerrang! magazine ran a hoax story saying that Tom Jones had joined Tony Iommi and Bill Ward (no bassist) in Black Sabbath. There was rarely any comment from the band about this, except for a 1990 Kerrang! story where then-bassist Neil Murray said of the band's current stage show, "naturally, we'll have a mirrored ball for when Tom Jones comes out"--MarshallStack 04:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  1980-1989 

message: The only person I can identify in the band picture is Ozzy. I'm sure this will be the case with most people. Can somebody add text under the picture to tell who's who?
:Done--TheChin! 18:05, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Needs ID's 

message: The line regarding Ozzy "never getting the attention he deserved" is not only incredibly fanboy, but also wrong.  He got an NME award for "godlike genius" in 2004.  Not sure how much it counts for, but it is something.
http://www.nme.com/news/107506.htm
I would agree with this, definitely. Especially in the US, Ozzy is regarded as BEING Black Sabbath and a lot of people only regard the Ozzy-era albums as actual Black Sabbath albums, with the exception of a few people who also like the Dio era. The current "greatest hits live" package trotted out every year at OzzFest is regarded almost as Ozzy and a backing band.--MarshallStack 22:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NME award 

message: That album is only available on DVD, and as a live album its pretty much the same as the normal album. Maybe put a note at Cross Purposes but I don't think we need it under the album section here. Redwolf24 3 July 2005 08:19 (UTC)
I have the original 1995 release of this, and at that time it came with both a VHS of the full show and an edited audio CD (which, for some reason, edits out the two Dio-era songs: "Neon Knights" and "The Mob Rules"). So, yes, at one time this could have been considered to have been available on "album" because of the audio CD. I haven't seen the DVD.--MarshallStack 22:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross Purposes Live 

message: Black Sabbath is an influence on the genre of Doom Metal, but never came anywhere close to playing in that sub-genre, as would be evident if you look at the article it links to. I am removing that line, as well as the clumsily worded "and thus heavy metal was created" line before it, since I feel that is adequately covered in the next paragraph. GiveBlood
:Good move, solid reasoning.  Jgm 20:22, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you listen to Their S/T and Master of reality and some songs off Paranoid ex. "Planet Caravan", "Hand of Doom" , and Electric Funeral". Those are prime examples of doom metal. That is what doom metal bands like Pentagram based their style upon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.194.16.5 (talk) 13:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are a doom metal band. They are the original doom metal band. Sure, the term was invented later, but doom fans apply it to many older bands. Orange ginger 15:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Doom Metal

message: It might be an idea to add the influence Black Sabbath had on the grunge-scene, IMHO. The band didn't only have a profound (?) influence on metal; bands like Nirvana, Mudhoney and other grungebands are (to some degree) influenced by Black Sabbath.
:Mudhoney were not fans of metal as a genre in particular and more influenced by punk rock. Jobe6  03:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains were heavily influenced by them.  WesleyDodds 07:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences on grunge-scene 

message: What remained of the "Born Again" Stonehenge stage set was reportedly offered to the city of Lake Havasu City, Arizona for display along with the reconstructed London Bridge, but this was declined.--MarshallStack 04:42, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stonehenge" trivia 

message: Most fans of the band know the story behind Jeff Fenholt and his involvement with "Seventh Star", when he auditioned for Tony Iommi. I worked with a young lady who was an evangelical Christian who told me in 1996 she was going to hear the former singer of Black Sabbath at a Christian service. I wondered who this could be; my first thought was David Donato, until she showed me a flyer advertising the service that had Fenholt's name on it. This was the first I ever heard of Fenholt and I told her he was never in Black Sabbath (I named her all the vocalists from Ozzy to then-vocalist Tony Martin) but she was quite insistent that he was.--MarshallStack 05:30, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeff Fenholt 

message: I want to recommend that Holly Jolly Sabbath be added as an entry to Wikipedia. It is an annual party started in Brooklyn, New York in 2001. It is a simple holiday traditon that involves three simple elements. A Christmas tree with blinking lights, Claree, and all of the Black Sabbath records. It is a simple party to do. One simply needs the above three things and maybe some weed. It takes place on the Sunday before Christmas day after sunset when all participants gather in a dark space lite only by the tree, they consume Claree which is a spiced red wine from Medieval times, and they listen to all the Black Sabbath records in order from the first until the last. It was started in the early seventies by a man named Chuck from Montana. When he moved to Brooklyn he and several friends decided to make it an annual affair. All are encouraged to celebrate this day wherever they might be. Equaltoheaven 04:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holly Jolly Sabbath 

message: Exactly what 'British involvement' would that be? No British troops were involved in the Vietnam war. Ever. And the US actually refrained from bombing North Vietnamese ports when requested so as not to damage British shipping which continued to trade there. Please take this bit out or I will.Samgb 14:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Paranoid is a Vietnam protest song 'particularly against British involvement.'?!?!?!?

message: In the newest addition to the article, there is a section about a new album. Its fairly biased against Ozzy and I think unjustly so. It states that Ozzy has refused to work with the original line-up. bet my understanding is that he was very enthusiastic about it, as were the rest of the members. But after several tries Ozzy (and maybe the others aswell) decided they couldn't make an album worthy of the Sabbath name. I'm going to change it so it is less abrasive towards Ozzy, but I encourage whoever wrote it to come up with some more relevant sources. marnues 18:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Sabbath Album

message: I was worried about this article a while back (the lack of a proper History section was most troubling), but some good work has been done in the last few days.  however, there still remains a problem with objectivity.  A lot of of the prose still needs to be toned down to conform to a neutral point of view. WesleyDodds 09:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone down POV 

message: I have just made a Black Sabbath template box, please help me by putting it at the end of articles about Black Sabbath... - Prodigenous Zee 05:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template box... 

message: Confirmed?  What's to confirm?  I was there.  I saw the show.  It was definitely billed as Black Sabbath, I have a ticket stub and concert ads to prove it.  I work for Bill Ward & Geezer Butler, doing their websites, I'm well versed in the situation and what happened.  I stand by my statements on the grounds that I am in the emply of people directly involved and are in the band.  Dopefish 05:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bordin Again 

message: 1) Joe obviously knows way more than you do; it seems obvious that you haven't taken the time to look at his pages lately.
2) Love affair with Geoff Nichols?  Seriously, grow up!
3) Mike Bordin's bass drum clearly displayed Black Sabbath's name on the front side during the shows he played. 
4) Someone who personally runs Bill Ward and Geezer Butler's websites has far more credibility than you.
"That is what they both tell me" is not proof enough to justify your argument.Electrokinesis 06:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: =============

message: This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it.  Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed.  I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy.  In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 05:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube links 

message: Why is it deemed appropriate to seperate British bands down in to their native backgrounds such as English, Scottish and Welsh? These are not countries as such, they are a part of the United Kingdom and under UN recognised law they are therefore British.
I am from the 'English' part of the UK, I hold a British passport and it doesn't say i'm an 'English Citizen', it says I am a 'British Citizen'.
The realms known as Scotland and England have not existed for 300+ years.
I think i'm making a valid enough point that there needs to be a standard set for wikipedia, because to state that someone is English is incorrect.
I've noticed that this error appears all over wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.111.22.241 (talk) 15:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fix it, dont' blank the page. --  Drini 04:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: The merge proposal has been up since March... is there any reason to not merge Polka Tulk into Black Sabbath's page?  I'd do it, but I hesitate because perhaps Polka Tulk did something notable besides be the band before they became the band that became Black Sabbath.  It just seems like something that should be a passing mention in this article as opposed to its own. - Curtangel 23:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge ''Polka Tulk'' into article? 

message: Black Sabbath had a lot of influence on Heavy Metal, sure, but they aren't a metal band...just Hard Rock or Proto-Doom Metal...their music influenced a lot of artists of different genres ( for example Heavy Metal, Doom Metal, Sludge Metal or Stoner Rock ), mostly metal, but this don't make them a metal band. BrainCoder 19:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The job is not to classify them ourselves, if there are some references that conform to the standard that say that by all means, add it in, a large part of the readership will not have the foggiest what proto-doom is as the general classification they have been given is heavy metal, as has been cited in the article. I normally find their records in the Heavy Metal section of Virgin, HMV et al.--Alf melmac 19:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Sabbath and Heavy Metal 

message: The new single and compilation album's new songs were released as Black Sabbath. They're TOURING as Heaven and Hell but performed as Sabbath then.(The Elfoid 16:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're 2 seperate entities. No need to mention Dio here. It can be mentioned in the H&H article. 156.34.218.199 17:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dio - we should list him for 2006 - 2007 

message: Why is it that the iTunes store only carries live versions of their songs? Does anyone know? I have yet to see a single digital version of one of their origional recordings, so is that because of an issue with their record company, their chose, or have I just been looking in the wrong place? 71.242.112.108 21:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  iTunes? 

message: I've attempted to get Dio and Appice posted as session musicians in 2006. Why? Their new single, and the songs on The Dio Years album were written/recorded/mixed with their involvement and credited to Black Sabbath NOT to Heaven and Hell. Working with and for Sabbath on a Sabbath release in the Sabbath name...they were in Black Sabbath session. The new live CD/DVD to accompany the Heaven and Hell tour is being released as being by Heaven and Hell, NOT Black Sabbath clearly differentiating that work (because it can be argued the tour's heaven and hell, any recordings are Sabbath but the band's made it clear the new songs on Dio Years are Black Sabbath not H&H).
The two people who posted explanations to reverts of my edit didn't really impress me, and 2 of them to 1 of me wasn't really a major vote either. It'd be nice if some people went over there and threw in their opinion - even if you're not on my side.
(The Elfoid 16:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Check the band members page 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Black Sabbath Logo.png

message: Why are the pictures for most of the albums missing?
Why are WWA and NEMS listed as labels for the UK?
I thought these labels just put out crappy budget reissues, much like the cheap $5.99 CD's that were released by "Dorchester Holdings Ltd." here in the US through retailers like the Wherehouse back in the 90's.
As far as I know, Vertigo is still the original label for these releases, especially in other territories outside of the US, Canada and the UK.
Why are the links so small inside of the link box at the bottom?
I cleaned these up a while ago, but they look jacked up now.
Electrokinesis 07:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's up with the jacked up changes? 

message: Doom Metal = earliest material. (example: the song "Black Sabbath")
Groove Metal = Dio-era material. (example: "The Mob Rules")
Point made.
Dark Executioner 21:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: I don't agree Black Sabbath earliest album are purely heavy metal. Yes, albums like Paranoid or Master of Reality contain heavy metal riffs, but the music is much different than Iron Maiden or Saxon and those albums contain big influences like progressive rock and blues. I think the albums with Ozzy were hard rock/heavy metal, or hard & heavy --Born Again 83 13:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia isn't based on personal opinion. It's based on citation, reference and verifiability. No POV required. 156.34.142.110 14:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre for me 

message: If albums like Black Sabbath, Paranoid or Sabbath Bloody Sabbath are heavy metal, what kind of albums are the number of the beast or screaming for vengeance? Thrash metal?! Yes, Sabbath are not hard rock like zeppelin or purple but they are not metal like maiden, saxon or priest. Black Sabbath album is strongly influenced by blues and psychedelic rock, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath by progressive rock. Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die are far away from heavy metal, they seems a little heavier version of the Beatles. You're right, sources are needed, but if Black Sabbath Ozzy Era are considered heavy metal, I don't know! Purely Heavy metal are the albums from Heaven and Hell to Forbidden. --Born Again 83 14:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That may well be the case, wikipedia does not use info "we know" it uses info that can be attributed and cited, if you are able to cite other genres for specific albums then please, by all means, add those cites.--Alf melmac 14:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick note-fansites and wiki-mirrors are not good for sources for references. 156.34.142.110 15:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Those are book references. The best refs come from books and professional publications. 156.34.212.94 10:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although online references are easy to check, personally I value book cites more as there is usually a reference section in them themselves so one can check the original sources, most websites do not reference their sources and are either to be believed or not as the case may be.--Alf melmac 11:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heavy Metal?!

message: I submitted a rough template for the forthcoming double album, Heaven and Hell:Live at Radio City Music Hall.
If it is approved, please edit it as you see fit, as it is FAR from a finished article and needs major fixing.
Electrokinesis 01:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Heaven and Hell: Live at Radio City Music Hall'' 

message: What does Iron Maiden, Saxon, Judas Priest, and "thrash metal" have anyhting to do with categorizing Sabbath's music? 
Sabbath is the first metal band, period. 
But since the group themselves don't really like the term "heavy metal" anyway, I guess maybe you could call them "heavy rock". Tony Iommi has called Sabbath a "hard rock" band before, but Sabbath doesn't really fit the accepted definition of a "hard rock" band. And please, don't ever compare Sabbath to the Beatles again. Sabbath is far superior as a band and as an influence on modern music. Of course, this is my opinion.Electrokinesis 01:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Discussion 

message: Hey,
I probably jumped the gun & deserved to have my change reversed, so I'm interested to know where the information comes from that Black Sabbath were ever called "Polka Tulk Blues Company"? In 28 years as a fan, in all the interviews I've ever read/listened to, the band members refer to the line-up as "Polka Tulk Blues Band". A very quick google turns up this poster advertising a show at the time: 
I know this isn't conclusive, but where is the evidence that they were called 'Company' not 'Band'?
It's not a big deal. I'm just very curious now!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.33.207 (talk) 11:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blues Company or Blues Band? 

message: In your article about Black Sabbath,there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about a bootleg tape known as Live At last. The Live At Last that was released in 1980 was a video evidently made when they were on tour with Never Say Die shortly before Ozzy was fired. The bootleg tape you refer to was around in the mid 70's. I got my copy around 1975. The album,of whitch I can find no mention of in your article,Past Lives, was released in 2002 as a two disc set and disc 1 is Live At Last exactly as it appears on my 1975 tape. Disc 2 contians pieces of other bootleg tapes that was around in the 70's.
About tuning. There seems to be some confusion there as well. First 2 albums standard tuning. All other Ozzy albums C#,F#,B,E,G#,C#. Dio albums D#,G#,C#,F#,A#,D#. The last tuning can also be found on Reunion and The Last Supper,look for the old guitar and you will notice Geezer changes basses too. The Live At Last video is in standard tuning.The Live At Last video was also known as A Decade Of Black Sabbath.76.252.45.162 23:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live At Last / tuning 

message: I received this message after making changes to most of the album label information:
>>>>>>Hi there. I notice you keep reverting the changes I made to Black Sabbath (album) and Paranoid (album). Please note (as I noted in my edit summaries) that the label and release date sections of the infobox should only include the original label and release date, per WP:ALBUM#Label and WP:ALBUM#Released. The additional release details have been moved to the "Release history" sections. Please stop reinstating this information into the infobox. Thank you. --(name withheld) 21:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The note above was from me. I don't know what an official Wiki moderator is, but we do have guidelines for albums. You can read about them at WP:ALBUM. As noted above, the guideline for release dates and labels in the infobox are at WP:ALBUM#Released and WP:ALBUM#Label respectively. They say that only the first release date and label should be included in the infobox. In the case of for example Black Sabbath (album) this means including only the release date and label for the original UK release in the infobox. The other release dates and labels can be listed in the "Release history" section (see WP:ALBUM#Release history). --PEJL 05:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, what conflicting or erroneous info are you referring to? --PEJL 05:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, I know the note was from you, but I didn't want to "put you on blast", so to speak. There have been no errors made by you specifically, but I did notice mistakes made to the entries for 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath' and 'We Sold Our Soul For Rock and Roll'.
However, it must be considered that since the band has had multiple label deals that are still in effect, listing Vertigo as the sole company causes confusion. Wiki does have guidelines, but they are exactly that - 'guidelines'. It's not a stone set rule, and there are plenty of band articles that follow the same format; see 'Nirvana', 'Metallica', 'Iron Maiden', 'AC/DC', 'Motley Crue'; etc.
To quote the Wiki template: "....this is only a guide and you should feel free to personalize an article as you see fit."
One last thing: if you're doing to stick to this "rule" you've set for everyone, you might as well do it to the rest of the albums in the list as well. After all, consistency is key; espcially for a band as important as Black Sabbath.Electrokinesis 05:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: (I know you know the note was from me, I was making that remark for the benefit of others.) I haven't created this rule, it was created by consensus by WikiProject Albums. The guideline applies specifically to cases like this, where an album has been released on more than one label. I see no reason why an exception should be made in this case. And yes, it should be applied to other albums by this artist as well. (I only started with a few albums because I predicted that my changes would initially get reverted.) --PEJL 07:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: If by this you mean that you will start following the guidelines, that is good news. I'd also like to point out that extended personnel info should be provided in a "Personnel" section (per WP:ALBUM#Personnel), not in the "Producer" field of the infobox (which is only for the name of the producer, per WP:ALBUM#Producer). Remember that the infobox is only meant to summarize the contents in the rest of the article. Have a nice day. --PEJL 22:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Label Edits