Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/To do

message: === Archive? ===
Do we really need an archive? I mean, I've looked at ways these pages can be archived and it seems a bit pointless. I mean, who needs an archive for a To do list? Maybe we should just keep to the 30-day-removal idea, eh? — CuaHL ☺ 00:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  General discussion 

message: Do we really need an archive? I mean, I've looked at ways these pages can be archived and it seems a bit pointless. I mean, who needs an archive for a To do list? Maybe we should just keep to the 30-day-removal idea, eh? — CuaHL ☺ 00:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive? 

message: Added an edited Beastmaster Sprite to the appropriate location in the article. Hope that's alright? Tell me if it's not good. ShiraShira 23:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Final Fantasy/To do#Articles to be improved with images|To be improved with images]] 

message: === → List of Final Fantasy X-2 characters ===
If there is enough info that can be in the article about Shuyin, he deserves his article. By enough info, be certain that this is not fancruft material, but realy encyclopaedic material. Also, plot summary should be relatively short, not a whole article. I just suggested that we may discuss on the project's talk page about which characters deserve their own article.--DarkEvil 23:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I really hesitate to frame this as a question of whether or not something can be in an article, when it should be a question of whether or not something should be in an article. But that's just me being linguistically pedantic :-). The Shuyin article is currently a mess, regardless. It doesn't need to duplicate so much of the Final Fantasy X-2 story section, and could probably be cut down to less than half its current size simply by deleting redundancies and tightening the prose. If nothing else, it should at least be divided into sections, as the current huge block of text is a little daunting. And I second DarkEvil's suggestion that we bring this up on the main project talk page, not just regarding these articles, but as a general policy issue. – Seancdaug 04:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Shuyin, Nooj and Gippal have been merged. Ryu Kaze 01:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, but be careful and don't go overboard with trimming. I'm a mergist, but I'm starting to fear that we're going to lose key information if we're not careful in our merges. Deckiller 23:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But what about Kappa ? Renmiri 23:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the end, you may just have to end up merging a very large entry -=shrugs=-. Deckiller 23:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh this is where it's being discussed. Please don't attempt to merge the Al Bhed language stuff, it doesn't belong on a list of races. Kappa 23:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Continued on the Talk:Al Bhed#Merge with Races of Final Fantasy Renmiri 15:06, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I vote for Yuna — CuaHL 22:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I kind of think it would fit better in Final Fantasy X-2, myself, since it basically serves as the theme song for the game. It can probably be placed into the music section without much editing, too. – Seancdaug 03:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Sean Renmiri 15:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: That is what I meant Renmiri 03:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The problem is, combining the three pages would result in an article roughly 90 KB in size, which is well in excess of the recommended lengths established by WP:SIZE (which says that articles in excess of 50 KB should usually be split: by comparision, the races article is 42 KB, which is long, but still only about half the size of a hypothetically combined bestiary). Intellectually, the three articles belong together, but creating a single article of that size is a bad idea. Short of mercilessly editing out over half of the info in the bestiary (which may not be a bad idea, necessarily), they should probably stay seperate out of courtesy to the technical considerations of WP:SIZE. – Seancdaug 05:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. A straight merge gave me 68 KB, which I easily paired it down to 60 KB here. I'm sure we can find more to cut and get it to 50 KB if this is a must Renmiri 18:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not split it over two pages... Final Fantasy bestiary and Final Fantasy bestiary (N-Z)/Final Fantasy bestiary (continued) — CuaHL 22:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: To clarify my reasoning a bit further.. squashing the article into one leaves no room for further additions. Which is inevitable — CuaHL 22:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah, damn me for an amateur, Renmiri: you're right. If we can manage to cut it back to < 50KB with a reasonable degree of consensus, and we can find some procedure of allowing for possible future additions, then I have no problem with the merger. – Seancdaug 22:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm forced to agree with you two. Merging it all in one page will make it too close to the limit and make it hard to include new beasts. It should stay as 2 or 3 pages. It does need some work though, right now it looks awful! ~~
=== → Sphere Break ===
Considering SB is much less notable than Shuyin, Al Bhed and 1,000 words, a song that spents half of 2003 in the top charts , I see no reason to have a page just for it. If we keep it, then we should consider bringing some of the other merged pages back as well. It is a fairly recent page. See discussion on Miscellany below Renmiri 23:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Okiedoke, List of jobs in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance has been created.  Mergeto tags have been slapped on all the existing articles.  Give it a week then we'll make the existing ones redirects. -RaCha'ar 06:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Final Fantasy/To do#Articles to be merged|To be merged]] 

message: If there is enough info that can be in the article about Shuyin, he deserves his article. By enough info, be certain that this is not fancruft material, but realy encyclopaedic material. Also, plot summary should be relatively short, not a whole article. I just suggested that we may discuss on the project's talk page about which characters deserve their own article.--DarkEvil 23:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I really hesitate to frame this as a question of whether or not something can be in an article, when it should be a question of whether or not something should be in an article. But that's just me being linguistically pedantic :-). The Shuyin article is currently a mess, regardless. It doesn't need to duplicate so much of the Final Fantasy X-2 story section, and could probably be cut down to less than half its current size simply by deleting redundancies and tightening the prose. If nothing else, it should at least be divided into sections, as the current huge block of text is a little daunting. And I second DarkEvil's suggestion that we bring this up on the main project talk page, not just regarding these articles, but as a general policy issue. – Seancdaug 04:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Shuyin, Nooj and Gippal have been merged. Ryu Kaze 01:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  → List of Final Fantasy X-2 characters 

message: This page was merged last month as part of the cleanup and has now been restored by Kappa unilateral decision. Should we merge it again ? Renmiri 23:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but be careful and don't go overboard with trimming. I'm a mergist, but I'm starting to fear that we're going to lose key information if we're not careful in our merges. Deckiller 23:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But what about Kappa ? Renmiri 23:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the end, you may just have to end up merging a very large entry -=shrugs=-. Deckiller 23:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh this is where it's being discussed. Please don't attempt to merge the Al Bhed language stuff, it doesn't belong on a list of races. Kappa 23:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Continued on the Talk:Al Bhed#Merge with Races of Final Fantasy Renmiri 15:06, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  → Al Bhed 

message: About 1000 Words (Final Fantasy X-2), does anyone think they can put enough into an individual article? I think it may be worth merging with either FFX-2 or Yuna. Anand 01:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote for Yuna — CuaHL 22:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I kind of think it would fit better in Final Fantasy X-2, myself, since it basically serves as the theme song for the game. It can probably be placed into the music section without much editing, too. – Seancdaug 03:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Sean Renmiri 15:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  → 1000 words 

message: Renmiri, I'm confused: I only see five articles about the soundtrack albums (Final Fantasy VI: Original Sound Version, Final Fantasy VI: Grand Finale, Final Fantasy VI: Piano Collections, Final Fantasy VI: Special Tracks, and Final Fantasy Anthology - Music From FFV And FFVI). Were these the articles you're talking about? As for merging them: yeah, I think it's probably a good idea (I'd say it would be better to create a new article, though, rather than to merge them all into an existing article – something like Final Fantasy VI albums, maybe?). It might make more sense to merge the Anthology album article into Final Fantasy Anthology though, since it includes tracks from multiple games, and, unlike the other discs, was released as part of the game itself. – Seancdaug 02:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what I meant Renmiri 03:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  → ''Final Fantasy VI'' soundtracks 

message: Considering SB is much less notable than Shuyin, Al Bhed and 1,000 words, a song that spents half of 2003 in the top charts , I see no reason to have a page just for it. If we keep it, then we should consider bringing some of the other merged pages back as well. It is a fairly recent page. See discussion on Miscellany below Renmiri 23:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  → ''Sphere Break'' 

message: I think CuaHL's suggestion to merge these three articles has merit, and I would support a merge into Role-playing battle systems, as a summary of these already exists there. I wouldn't be entirely agreeable to a merge of these into a new Final Fantasy battle systems article, as ATB and CTB are no longer exclusive to Final Fantasy games. Then again they're also okay as they are now... ~ Flooch 09:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  → ''[[Active Time Battle|ATB]], [[Conditional Turn-Based Battle|CTB]], [[Active Dimension Battle|ADB]]'' 

message: I've been working on a combined article for all of the FFTA character classes in my sandbox for a little while.  I promise to have it up soon.  By the end of this weekend.  I swear.
Gambler?  Kill it with fire.  I had no idea it was still floating out there.  -RaCha'ar 18:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okiedoke, List of jobs in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance has been created.  Mergeto tags have been slapped on all the existing articles.  Give it a week then we'll make the existing ones redirects. -RaCha'ar 06:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  → ''FFTA character classes and Gambler character class''

message: *Final Fantasy X-2#Criticism was pretty biased but has improved. Has it been improved enough to qualify as NPOV ? Renmiri 00:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Final Fantasy/To do#Articles needing NPOV|To be NPOV]] 

message: * I went to great lengths and effort to put a picture of every character listed on the list of characters. I believe it enriches the page. 
**Originally the images where just as links like this (img) and there were no complaints. But I was forced to actually show the image as a tiny thumbnail 10 px because the Wiki robot that scans for unused images can not handle image links. 
** Now user 85.220.108.113 has decided tha the pictures are annoying and has taken the unilateral decision of removing them all. This is not just a matter of taste. Removing the thumbnails will cause the deletion of over 40 images by  the Wiki robot that scans for unused images, in the next 7-10 days.
**Before those images are lost I wanted to make sure everyone agrees with 85.220.108.113 and that the removal is what the project team wants. Don't count on me to reload them, tag them properly and place them in the page. I did it more than once, to avoid the darn robot. It was way too much work. I hate to see my efforts deleted like that so I will not be reloading any image. I did my part, now its a matter of people valuing it or letting it go to the trash bin Renmiri 23:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I acknowledge the time and trouble you went to, generating and uploading all those images; I'm not sure Wikipedia articles are the best place for them though - mainly down to fair use considerations. And to be honest, those little black spots scattered throughout the article are somewhat unusual, to say the least. >Gamemaker 00:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't blame me, blame the Roomba programmer that doesn't want to fix his code. I had it as inline links wich is what the fair use police told me to do. Alas, Roomba ignores in-line links and tags the images as orphans Renmiri 01:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I concur with Gamemaker. They are unusual, in that by definition, a thumbnail should "make it easier to scan and recognize" their subject matter. Maybe we can find temporary a home for these images, with a page like Images of sheep? Flooch 04:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are a genius! <grin> When the inline link was there everyone liked except Roomba. If the hidden div works for Roomba, then we are all set!  Renmiri 20:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: I have already changed the FFX2 list, then I'll do the same at the FFX list FFX done too. We must wait 7 days to see if Roomba likes it, but I think we will be ok, as the images do list as being used. Renmiri 21:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks much nicer! There's a markup problem with Shuyin's entry on the X-2 page though; the three images at the end of the paragraph. I'm not sure what you intended to do with them though, so I won't meddle. >Gamemaker 00:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed Renmiri 19:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  → ''Thumbnail Images on [[List of Final Fantasy X-2 characters]]'' 

message: Found at Eyes of FF one of the larger FF Forums 
 http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=82198
Quote: Am I the only one fascinated about the amount of information this has to offer about Final Fantasy? I find it fascinating. Renmiri 19:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kudos to the project