Talk:The Amazing Race 9/Archive 1

message: It has grabbed my attention that there is a debate over whether the race has already started in Denver, Colorado, or if filming doesn't start until January. Well, I have photographic evidence from the Denver Post to aid the cause of those who believe the race has started already. Behold: 
Image:AmazingRace9Sighting.JPG
:The photo means nothing.  I saw it last week, but you can't see the surroundings (to verify that it was actually shot in Denver's airport) nor any clues to verify if its actual date.  You also have no idea whether this is footage from Season 9, some decoy run, or some promotional material (like how they film actors demonstrating Roadblocks or Detours).   Denver's a major airport hub, yet there have been no eyewitness reports giving it more credibility.  Nor have there been any sightings around the world, given that those "photos" are 2 weeks old at least.
:Phil has explicity stated in interviews that the next season is being filmed in the New Year.  It'll be like Season 2, when they filmed at the beginning of the year, so that the finale could be ready around the May sweeps. 
:If you're from the Denver area, you could check the airport records to see if there was an application for a filming permit.  Eyewitness photos for the Season 7 premiere at LAX were verified after people found that the crew DID obtain a filming permit for that particular day.  The documents are readily available for the public, if you know where to find them. 
:Otherwise, basing speculation on a lone photo that A)has no eyewitness confirmation, B)has no verifiable details on its location/time, C)conflicts with public reports on filming schedule, and D) makes no mention of possible filming permits is ridiculous.  It's as bad as those Toronto newspapers reporting about a race sighting for Family Edition in August when A) filming was already over and B) the report occured at the same time as one of many local Amazing Races. --Madchester 07:54, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Denver Debate 

message: If the new season the the Amazing Race (season 9) is an All-Star edition, does that mean the pervious 8 winning teams(7 if the winner of season 8 are excluded) will be racing again or a selection of teams from the previous seasons. It seams unlikely that all 8 will be willing to race again
:It's 99.9% not All-Star, since there was an application for this season back in the summer. --Madchester 21:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seasons 10 and 11 are not All-Starts either, as there were applications up on the website, and now The Amazing Race 11 one is up.TeckWiz 14:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: All-Star Speculation

message: If the filming dates are true,  then I might have some information to contribute.
I was looking into zorbing when/if I head to New Zealand in 2006, so I sent the company an email; here's part of the responce, I got
"(Dated 11/20/05)
Thanks for your email.  We had Phil Keoghan (host of the Amazing Race) here the other day, he stopped in for a coffee and to say hi to the team! "
I don't know if to you guys this means anything, but thought i'd share.
:There's been a lot of reports of teams in Australia, with sightings in Perth, Darwin, etc. I don't know if they'll be going back to NZ in the near future; Phil does hail from NZ however. --Madchester 22:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  E-mail recieved (possible spoiler) 

message: Great discussion on the locations shown in the teaser preview, with vidcaps .  Quite spoiler-heavy. --Madchester 00:17, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: TAR 9 preview

message: Hey-Even though I am not in the Pacific Time zone, it maybe nice to not post information on the race until 3 hours after it airs because peopel in the Pacific time zone may not want to see what happened. And if you don't agree with me, we should still keep the spoiler notice on until after it airs in the pacific zone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TeckWiz (talk • contribs) 
:The spoiler notice is ALWAYS on; someone may not watch this till it gets rerun on GSN, say. Fair warning to all.
:I think most West Coasters know to stay away from info on shows a few hours before they air; comes with the territory. Radagast 20:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's put it this way, when we were editing the pages for the 2006 Winter Olympics, the medal results were updated as soon as an event was finished.  Those pages already had sufficient spoiler warnings, in case anyone was watching the event later or on tape delay.  Same rules apply here: the spoiler warnings are already adequate. --Madchester 21:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pacific Time

message: Where the heck the trivia section. I know every AR article has one. Or is it too early to set up one? - 上村七美 09:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually the trivia bits come from interviews with the eliminated racers.  So there's not too much to go by right now. --Madchester 15:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia Section?

message: It was said above "the country flags help users identify countries on the Race".  Ok then... without cheating (on your honor), tell me that you instantly knew what country these flags belong to: , , , , , , , , , .
These were all taken from an actual season. I feel good that I know plenty of flags, but at those small sizes and without context, I only knew two and one was a lucky guess.  I don't think this argument holds up. The bolded name of the country is already given and is instantly recognizable -- it also links directly to the article. The flags can't really "help users identify countries". -- Netoholic @ 07:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If they werent clickable this might be the case, but you can easily click to find out the country, or (at least on my browser) when I mouse over them I can see the country name at the bottom left of screen -- Astrokey44|talk 13:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, so you can hover over them and get the information, but that is bad Wikipedia:Accessibility.  The flags are clickable, but it takes you to the image page, not the country article.  We already give teh country name, in bold... why is that not enough? -- Netoholic @ 10:02, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's still a good idea to link to the images to make the article seem fuller. BTW, I don't mean to brag, but I knew all but two flags. Royboycrashfan  19:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Seem fuller" doesn't strike me as a very objective.  While you like it for fullness, I see them as clutter. -- Netoholic @ 10:02, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Seem fuller" as in "adds to the quality". Removing the flags from the article would be like taking salt out of a pretzel. Royboycrashfan  03:18, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The "salt" on this "pretzel" is the detour/roadblock/pitstop icons, not the flags. -- Netoholic @ 04:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Flags put emphasis on nations visited, just like salt puts emphasis on taste. Royboycrashfan  04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Challenge #1 

message: I do not understand how linking to the TV IV site for the Amazing Race 9 is considered spam. It's just as valid as the Tarflies site. --Ryvius 06:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TARFlies has been used for reference for various race pages, and it also includes commentary from past racers. TV IV doesn't provide such features. --Madchester 06:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fansites - TV IV 

message: Hey. I know they have spoilers on the Amazing Race pages like the next route, but would someone be allowed to put up the winner if it is revealed some how before it airs (like seasons 7 and 8 were revealed in an online betting scam. I know you can post spoilers, but would someone post something that big.  TeckWiz 13:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's been no unusual betting this season, so the winner hasn't been leaked yet.  But if the winner were revealed, we just externally linked it from a trivia entry.  --Madchester 16:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  But would the winner be written on the page like *** and &&& won? TeckWiz 01:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the writing would simply be: "The winners were revealed due to an online betting scandal. [link here]" --Madchester 01:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winner on Wikipedia?

message: Umm, is it better to put the info on prizes won before the legs information? I just think it works better the prize section come after the legs. Or integrate them together. --Destron Commander 09:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason is two-fold.  First, the prizes (usually) go to the winner of individual legs, so this section should follow the results.  Second, this leaves the Locations list at the bottom of the page, so that spoiler-free readers can avoid future episode details. --Madchester 21:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prize section 

message: Should we be including nicknames in the table? I'm talking specifically about the "Team MoJo". There's seems to be a surplus of them this season as compared to recent seasons sans TAR8, and I dunno if they're really encyclodpedic. --HansTAR 02:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having a section entirely devoted to nicknames is fancruft.  Teams that are regularly addressed with their nicknames can probably warrant their "nick" being listed in the table.  --Madchester 03:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames? 

message: I don't think the use of alt text for the detour and roadblock images is being done appropriately. Read the section "Choosing good alternative text" paragraph in Wikipedia:Alternative text for images, which says "The alternative text should communicate the same information that the image communicates." Seeing as the detour and roadblock images (though I think the others, excluding nations' flags, are problematic too) only imply that the teams have reached a certain point, it doesn't relate what the details of the choice(s), thus the tasks assigned shouldn't include it, and it should instead be included separately. I've seen this change made in the past, and soon after reverted, so I'd like some comments before I do it myself. -- SonicAD (talk) 23:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, better to be cluttered than for those who aren't net-savvy to miss the information totally. I even didn't notice the information in the past, until I happened to put my mouse over the detour image. Certainly if I hadn't found it right away, others won't either.-- SonicAD (talk) 22:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative text for images in Race Locations section 

message: I think the task information was unneeded unless it was not shown in the official website of the race.
TAR oficial website aiready details up about the task information.Aleenf1 07:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize for not checking the talk page before reverting your changes, hadn't realized you'd already mentioned it. That said, most televsion shows do have epsiode summaries if there's enough information, and so I've reverted it for now. -- SonicAD (talk) 05:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Task Information 

message: Should it be mentioned when it is aired in different countries? I think in Australia it is a week behind (Leg 1 was split in 2 with the 2nd part last week and Leg 2 hasnt aired yet) -- Astrokey44|talk 02:27, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  countries airing? 

message: Is suit or not The Amazing Race put the airport details, which airport the racers should be root for??? But i wonder that some racers could be transfer the plane at the other airport, so why we must put the airport name??? Is not suit at all. Aleenf1 02:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but your comments are rather unintelligble... am I correct to think that what you're saying is that the name of the airports shouldn't be included, because they may go to other airports for stopovers along the way? While there are stopovers, the teams almost always fly from the same airport, and land at the same airport. The stopovers aren't relevant to the location, as they all end up in the same place. But the airports they start and finish at are, with only a couple exceptions in past races, always the same, so inclusion makes sense to me. -- SonicAD (talk) 02:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sonic towards the end of 1 season (season 3 I believe) teams went to 2 different airports in Alaska TeckWiz 20:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know, though it was season 2, actually. However, they both left Alaska from the same airport, as the teams that went to a different airport, flew to the one the other teams were at before catching a flight to the mainland. It doesn't happen very often, thus why I said "almost" always. If they do go to different airports this season, we can find a way to deal with it. -- SonicAD (talk) 22:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally i found one example through Season 4, that's the example of two teams goes to the two different airport. Aleenf1 09:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airport Information 

message: I wonder which the website told episode 3(Leg 3) info so fast until someone can edit the leg 3 places tracking??? Unless you prove it or it was no valid. Aleenf1 05:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  So FAST 

message: If you watched the Moscow episode, it's implied that there's still some kind of quota for number of Roadblocks performed by each racer.  You can see Ray/Yolanda and Wanda/Desiree clearly telling their partner "you need to do one (Roadblock)." after reading the clue at the pool. --Madchester 22:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Roadblocks count

message: This is a straw poll to see if the descriptions of roadblocks and detours are necessary, as we have a link to the official site which explains this info already. 
Please sign your name using three tildes (~~~), with a vote of either Support or Oppose; additonal comments are appreciated. Voting will last until March 25, 2006.
Support (remove descriptions)
*Support - While official website already mentioned, we should respect them even Wikipedia is a reliable source and short in description, but as you know they is explained very clear about the leg route markers. Aleenf1
*Support for Detour, oppose for Roadblock and Fast Forward. Royboycrashfan 
Oppose (keep descriptions)
*Oppose -Even though TAR 9's site has information on tasks, Wikipedia's descriptions are much shorter. Also, once the fast foward comes into play, that should have a little info also TeckWiz
*Oppose - Doesn't really matter what's on the site, Wikipedia's meant as a stand-alone information reference. Otherwise you could use that argument for every single article here, as it's all referenced already, somewhere else... As such, a brief synopsis of each task completed is good for reference. Maelwys
*Oppose - Plenty of TV shows have episode descriptions, with some even spun off into their own pages. While TAR isn't big enough to need that, a description of the tasks involved should be a must.-- SonicAD (talk) 20:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As an aside, is there some kind of editing or content dispute between some users?  Otherwise, a straw poll isn't really needed.  Cheers, --Madchester 19:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw poll if the challenge descriptions are necessary

message: As in season 7, the second part of leg 3 had a task which involved finding a Travelocity roaming gnome; unlike that season, there appeared to be no potential reward for carrying it to the Pit Stop, though teams were specifically instructed to do so.
What the trivia information it brought to us, what is that MEAN??? Aleenf1 15:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "that" is referring back to season 7, as mentioned at the beginning of the sentence.-- SonicAD (talk) 15:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: but i see Season 7, where come the same task involved??? Aleenf1 03:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the exact same task, but both involved finding the Travelocity gnome. I believe that it was the roadblock on leg 9 of season 7.-- SonicAD (talk) 03:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it wasn't the roadblock. It was a route info clue that said to find the gnome. Also, I'm guessing that at the beggining of the next episode they will Phil at the Pit Stop asking teams to show him your gnomes and if one has this on it you win. Or maybe it will come into play at the next pit stop and they juat want the racers to take it with them to add weight TeckWiz 12:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What it MEAN??? 

message: I was looking in the glossary on the TAR 9 website to see if it said the 6 roadblock rule still aplied since it hasn't been mentioned and I found this:
YIELD
Each leg of the race has a YIELD point. Teams must stop at the YIELD location to do two things before continuing along the course: 1) They must check to see if they have been YIELDed by another team; 2) If no Team has been YIELDed, they must decide whether to use the YIELD or not. If a Team is YIELDed, they must turn over the hourglass and wait until all the sand runs out before they may continue with the race. A Team may use the YIELD to stop another Team only once throughout the entire course of the race. However, there is no limit to the number of times that a Team can be YIELDed by the other Teams. 
It says there is a yield on every leg, however we have seen the first 3 and none have them. HOw is this? Or did the website editor just copy it from a pre-season 6 site? TeckWiz
It was probably copied from Season's 5 site since The Family Edition's website says the same thing. Tazz765
Keep in mind that you're watching an edited-down version of what happened on the race.  If the yields weren't used or had no impact on the race on a particular leg, then they wouldn't show it. -- Netoholic @ 18:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you Commando. I don't think anyone has watched all nine seasons and checked what place each team is before they hit the yield mat. So, I'm removing it until some proff is given.TeckWiz 20:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yield

message: Don't you think Lake is making a pretty dumb decision doing all of the first 4 roadblocks, while Michelle has done none. He'll probably do the next 2 also, and when a roadblock comes up that he's really good at he won't be able to do it. (assuming the 6 roadblock limit still applys). TeckWiz 01:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Is Wikipedia really the place to discuss this? o_0 Royboycrashfan  05:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lake=4 Roadblocks

message: Despite the instruction, BJ and Tyler did not carry their gnome to the Pit Stop; however, no penalty was assessed for this failure.
Any evidence to prove this statement??? Aleenf1 14:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Penalty??? 

message: Do we know for certain that the bungee jump is a roadblock? I got the sense it might be a Fast Forward. Radagast 01:44, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The weekly CBS press release states that the roadblock is a bungee jump. --Madchester 02:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leg 6 

message: Isi't Fonte Umbertino OR Ponte Umbertino should be wrote on the leg 5??? I review official website is Ponte Umbertino, however someone CHANGED to Fonte Umbertino. Which one should be root for??? Aleenf1 06:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fonte Umbertino OR Ponte Umbertino???