Talk:Cryotherapy

message: Question: Does cryotherapy only refer to the tank method, or does it also include icepacking? --Travisthurston 01:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tank method and icepacking 

message: I am not sure if this description of cryotherapy is accurate/appropriate. In medical literature, cryotherapy, also known as cryosurgery, is a commonly used in-office procedure for the treatment of a variety of benign and malignant (cancerous) lesions.
The description given here is inadequately referenced and based upon dubious science. I was able to find 
the article that this entry is based/lifted from http://www.toytowngermany.com/lofi/index.php/t20572.html.
:Well, in that case...
You're right. I performed that procedure as an intern this week. I'll look more into that verbiage. This description for the term may be third in priority after cryosurgery and icepacking. Thanks! --Travisthurston 01:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article about cryosurgery already exists. Cryotherapy is an alternate, less accurate term. --Vuo 01:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: okay Let's change the cryotherapy page to have the modern medical definition first (similar to cryosurgery), plus a secondary definition/ "could also be known as" section of the chamber technique with a link to Cryotherapy (chamber therapy). A little disamb section at the top would be best too. --Travisthurston 05:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no reason to break the current structure. Think of the user's point of view. In order to get to the article about cryotherapy, he goes to a the cryotherapy disambiguation page, which has links to cryosurgery and cryotherapy. Including a link to the other uses at the top of the article is standard practice on Wikipedia to avoid pointless disambiguation pages. --Vuo 16:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  Same from the other side. When I tell my patients to come in for cryotherapy appointment, they may go to wikipedia to look it up, then come in with their swimtrunks... I imagine that there are thousands of cryosurgeries happening everyday all over the world, many being termed as cryotherapy. For such a simple procedure, we choose to not to use "surgery". Patients would rather come in for therapy than surgery. The DAB section of the main article would only benefit the user. --Travisthurston 20:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This does not sound like medical cryotherapy 

message: Also, the first two refs are not in english and don't belong on the english language wikipedia. We could do a babelfish translation on them. [1], [2]... Is there a Finnish wiki? --Travisthurston 20:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're seriously mistaken if you think only English references are considered reliable sources by Wikipedia, or that they're forbidden. I remember a text from the 1940's Finland that first listed the correct facts (from Finnish sources) and then mentioned the unreliable sources also: "According to foreign sources, ..." --Vuo 22:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References not in English. 

message: I realize the reason that Cryotherapy (chamber therapy) was created as a separate article from this one, but I think that the rationale of "patients think that cryotherapy and cryosurgery are analogous" is not a good reason.  I'd suggest restoring the text of this page to this version (with some stylistic modifications), and add the content from Cryotherapy (chamber therapy) where appropriate.  Rather than this being a disambiguation page, it would serve more of as an overview page.  If the content on chamber therapy ever is further developed, it could be split back to its own page...but for now, there is no need for it.  --Scott Alter 04:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After months with no comments, I have completed the merge.  --Scott Alter 20:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Cryotherapy (chamber therapy) 

message: All the English links in the References section are www pages of companies offering the therapy or products for the therapy (I cannot check those Finish articles).  
Per Wikipedia:RS#Overview, "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." So these links cannot be considered reliable references. I will move them to the links section (I am not sure if they should be present at all). Are there any reliable references?--Jirka6 (talk) 19:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any reliable references? 

message: Why is "ice" in all caps in the heliotherpy section? 198.232.211.130 (talk) 17:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ICE? 

message: What is the difference, Cryosurgery vs. Cryotherapy?
WP has two separate articles, similar content, no clear explanation.
Cryosurgery could be considered sub-category of more general concept of Cryotherapy.
Or, Cryosurgery could be considered to be destructive treatment, Cryotherapy non-destructive treatment.
But in practice, the terms seem to be used rather inter-changeably. So, I'd propose that the articles be merged, with inclusion of whatever can be properly said about any differences.
There do not seem to be relevant disambiguation pages now.-96.233.19.238 (talk) 13:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cryosurgery vs. Cryotherapy 

message: I see no mention of
* topical application of cold to destroy fat tissue
* whole body exposure to cold for weight loss (see brown fat)
(these two are unrelated). Do they count as cryotherapy or is the omission deliberate?--92.77.216.142 (talk) 10:02, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know much about using topical cold to destroy fat tissue but I am severely skeptical. A treatment that destroyed underlying fat tissue would kill everything above it too (major frostbite). As for whole body cold for fat loss related to brown fat, the effect may be real ("statistically significant") but is in no way a big enough change for it to be a viable weight loss option ("clinical significance"). You burn about 400% more calories walking at a slow pace than you do sitting in a cold room. I propose that these effects aren't clinically significant to include in this article. --ITasteLikePaint (talk) 16:04, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  fat tissue, weight loss 

message: I came here to read up on what cryotherapy is and a lot of this article sounds like a sales pitch, never mind that quite a few sections have no citations whatsoever. I'm hesitant to put any tag on it at this point since I don't really know the topic, but if no one is able to convince me otherwise within a few weeks, I'll see what I can do. At this point, it seems to have "primary sources", does not cite enough sources and I dare say it relies on fringe theories. Prove me wrong on that please. Akesgeroth (talk) 19:38, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems mostly to be a case of misdirected weight on WBC. The use of ice packs, icewater baths, and cold water are all pretty common.  may be useful.LeadSongDog come howl! 13:55, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone/quality of the article 

message: Cryosurgery/Cryotherapy/Cryoablation are all commonly interchangeable terms
currently 3 articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryoablation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryosurgery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryotherapy
these articles are all redundant and duplicate the information from others
merging is the only solution
Cryosurgery should be retained with redirects from Cryoablation/Cryotherapy
Cryosurgery: "Uses" section to be retained and updated with information from cryoablation/cryotherapy
Cryoablation: "History" section to be retained and added to Cryosurgery article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.32.179.165 (talk) 15:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Partial Disagree All cryosurgery is cryotherapy but not all cryotherapy is cryosurgery. I agree that they could probably all be merged but they should be merged under cryotherapy. -ITasteLikePaint (talk) 05:24, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge Cryosurgery/Cryotherapy/Cryoablation together 

message: I have updated the page by adding a couple of additional references and taken out the flag requesting additional citations on the Whole Body Cryotherapy. Where it asked for a citation I have reworded that sentence. In general my reading suggests that cryotherapy has some benefits but in almost all instances papers are asking for further research. I understand that views differ quite a bit so I have tried to concentrate on areas that  have general agreement or more research required. In the headache section I could only find 1 study so made that section as factual as I could as the evidence is based on a very small sample size.HaraldW1954 (talk) 04:50, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated the page 

message: Is it a topic that should be addressed here? 95.74.55.214 (talk) 05:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Bon courage (talk) 06:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wim Hof?