Talk:American Airlines Flight 965

message: I just came across this article. I noticed it is sorely lacking in reliable sources (only had 1 AOPA link when I found it) and was incredibly missing the NTSB/Aeronautica Civil report. I added the AC report, with some links, categories etc. The first part of the article can still stand some major wikification. The lead-in should be a short summary. Then should come background/history section, then maybe the AC/NTSB probable cause reports, then maybe the lawsuits etc. This is just a suggestion, but some reasonable structure is needed, as well as a lot more sourcing/links to a lot of free flowing 'facts'. Please review other major accident articles for ideas. Thanks, Crum375 21:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixing up

message: I reverted this edit as I could not see any source for it in relation to this accident. First, the edit summary says 'from NTSB report', whereas there is no NSTB report for this accident (that I could find), only AC. Second, having re-read the detailed report from AC, I could only find the 'sorting by biggest' that is mentioned in the article, and not 'sorting by nearest' that the anon IP claims. Hence I had to revert the edit. If anyone can find (and specify) the exact page/paragraph that supports a different claim than what is currently in the article, go ahead and make the change. Crum375 22:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reversion of FMS sorting by 'nearest waypoint'

message: I removed that edit for the following reasons:
*It does not belong in the "final report" section, which is a summary of the conclusions, not individual tidbits reported by media.
*It is inaccurate: the source did not say "that no alcohol existed in the bodies of the flight crew members" — it only talked about the captain, and in fact confirmed that alcohol was found in his body.
*Like many similar cases, the alcohol found in the captain's body was determined to be caused by post-mortem fermentation, not by ingestion of alcohol prior to or during flight.
Bottom line is that we need to be careful when we make statements to follow what the sources tell us, and in this particular case, had alcohol played a role in the accident, the AC would have mentioned it in its final report. Crum375 (talk) 23:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Blood alcohol statement removal

message: Who's dog was it that survived?  And what happened to it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.159.186 (talk) 09:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The dog

message: How were there 155 passengers and 159 deaths with still 4 survivors?
::Flight crew of 2 and cabin crew of 6 are not considered "passengers".  All the crew died, while 4 passengers survived. See table on page 5 of official crash report here: Aeronautica Civil (de Colombia) crash report --Kenatipo (talk) 16:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Cuantas personas murieron 186.11.77.131 (talk) 17:18, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Deaths

message: The ACI documetary mentions that no radar was in use at the time because it had been destroyed by rebels. Does the final accident report make any mention of this? After all, had there been radar, I figure that work for ATC would have been much easier and they would have noticed early on that the flight went off course and they could have warned them, right? So non-operating radar might also be considered a contributing factor to the crash and might be worth mentioning in the article.--Proofreader (talk) 16:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Radar

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Appendix B: CVR transcript
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Appendix C:
* Cali VOR DME Rwy 19 Approach Chart http://archive.is/4jr22
* Cali ILS Rwy 01 Approach Chart http://archive.is/ThnNo
Appendix D: from American Airlines 757/767 Operating Manual AILERON AND SPOILER CONTROLS Flight Controls, Chapter 12, page 11, dated 5/10/89 http://archive.is/3HZUk
Appendix E: Photographs of Wreckage (E-2) http://archive.is/5NjVI
Appendix F: Route Pages prior to impact Reconstructed from the Accident Flight Management Computer
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WhisperToMe (talk) 17:30, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appendices B-F 

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message: Question
How many nations were on-board? 73.87.74.115 (talk) 21:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally speaking, passenger planes transport people, not nations. Shelbystripes (talk) 02:21, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Please see the IP's talk page. - SummerPhDv2.0 20:13, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off-topic chat 

message: A paragraph is dedicated to an alt theory to the official report based on a movie. The sources are the movies website and various review sites. Should this paragraph be removed or significantly slimmed without more independent sources? Salmon4Fish (talk) 08:05, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Investigative Documentary Sourcing 

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message: Could a diagram of where the survivors were sitting be included please? Thank you! Bucky winter soldier (talk) 12:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seating diagram? 

message: I cannot find sources that agree on the height of the mountain El Diluvio, and I don't know the proper wikipedia codes for conversion, but two elevations given here don't use the same conversion codes, resulting in this line: "the aircraft struck trees at about 2,720 metres (8,920 ft) above mean sea level on the east side of the 2,700-meter-tall (9,000 ft) mountain"
8920 feet should not convert to 20 more meters than 9000 feet does. 9000 feet is approx 2043 meters WasANerd (talk) 09:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crash paragraph elevations