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*Why did the city need peasants?Xx236 (talk) 07:08, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase is absurd, do you mean that people from Lwow were peasants-patriots? Xx236 (talk) 07:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed :) - Oliszydlowski, 17:35, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

text: Deleting sourced content is not exactly "fixing". See Paul McNamara: "Competing National and Regional Identities in Poland's Baltic". History of Communism in Europe. History of Communism in Europe vol. 3, page 31 right after fn 45: "In the Polish press, moreover, the eastern repatriates were portrayed as „salt of the earth“ peasant-patriots whose previous harsh existence and experience had made them the ideal „pioneer settlers“." HerkusMonte (talk) 14:09, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hard to get this. But after 1945 millions of Polish people were forced to leave their homes in the east, Lwow is a very good example of this. This was done by Red Army force, not any act of patriotism. Such statements can only be found in communistic propaganda-history writing 1945-89. "The explanation to millions of Polish people, why they had to move from their homes" Boeing720 (talk) 06:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  as peasant-patriots ? 

message: Maybe rather Ukrainians deported during the Operation Vistula?Xx236 (talk) 07:27, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  In addition to Poles, Ukrainians from Polish areas annexed by the Soviet Union settled there 

message: Xx236 (talk) 07:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliographical notes should be condensed 

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message: After reading the Middle Ages part, it still remains unclear how old the city actually is. First mentioning of the city (in the article) appears to be from "winter of 1121–1122", before that, the Middle Ages part deals with Pomerania only. No big deal though. And from 1173 Denmark and then Saxons took control. But Germanic and Slavs shared the city until 1350 ,which is the time around the Black Death, later plagues are not to confuse with the Black Death which killed a third of Europe's population. So, another possible question is between which years should we use "Stettin" ? (Which is its name not just in German, but also in Swedish - and perhaps in Danish as well) It's a bit "jumpy" there. Not awfully but a bit. Boeing720 (talk) 06:09, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  How old is the city ? And perhaps some other clearificasions 

message: so i don't like them  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hello23223 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro-German 

message: Please do not restore a stand alone statement that is blatantly bias into a high level city article. To call a minority, no matter how small a "social group" is blatantly demeaning and bias at best and racist at worst. The pre-war Polish community was around 1,500-2,000 people, and was similar in size to the city's Jewish community. Would Jan Musekamp also call the Jewish community a "social group", saying something like a Jewish social group was deported to concentration camps??? Jan Musekamp's statement according to today's standards is demeaning and racist, and unfortunately even after the fall of the Berlin wall, some German historians continued to make and got away with making racist statements towards Poles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by E-960 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: E-960 You might start with a little research about de:Jan Musekamp, a professor at the University of Pittsburgh , who received the Polish ambassador's Prize for his outstanding dissertation about the history of Szczecin (excactly the book we're using) before making such statements. However, I rewrote that sentence without using that specific term.HerkusMonte (talk) 08:11, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: HerkusMonte, sure and Donald Tusk received a the Charlemagne Prize from Merkel, while he closed down shipyards in Poland. So, I'm not interested in those sorts of arguments based on politics and prizes. In today's day and age, calling a minority a "social group" is bias, dismissive, and discriminatory. Currently living and working in the US, Jan Musekamp surely must be aware of the sensitivities around the issues of minorities, race, and ethnicity that have taken center stage. Btw, if you want to see how Polish minorities were treated by the Germans, you can check out this webpage about Free City of Gdansk , similarly Poles in Szczecin were discriminated against, not sure if Jan Musekamp got around to researching this issue. In any case, this is a simple overview article, so quoting and naming individual historian and raising controversial issues is not warranted - save that for the history specific page, and be sure to include the opposing POV as well. Here just stick to facts not options. --E-960 (talk) 13:37, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

text: *Btw, this statement (by Jan Musekamp) is already included on the History of Szczecin page, and worded in a more neutral way. --E-960 (talk) 17:56, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a significant difference to the latest version. However, let's use that sentence from the History article. HerkusMonte (talk) 16:01, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

text: I still miss an explanation why you removed the simple fact that a street was named after Mr. Golisz. HerkusMonte (talk) 16:06, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed statement by Jan Musekamp from the article text (calling a minority a "social group" is demeaning and racist)