Talk:Timeline of the burrito

message: This newspaper article from 1917 states that burro meat was "toothsome and succulent". --Dwchin (talk) 09:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burro meat 

message: 19th century
1840
Burrito created in 1840s American Southwest/Northwestern Mexico. Spiced meat wrapped in flour tortillas made popular by gold miners who worked with burros. Janey M. Rifkin in Hispanic Times Magazine claims this was the original source of meat.[3]
:Needs source.  Cited source is a dead link.
1895
The term appears in the Diccionario de Mejicanismos, identified as a regional term from Guanajuato and defined as "Tortilla arrollada, con carne ú otra cosa dentro, que en Yucatán llaman coçito, i en Cuernavaca i en Mejico, taco" (A rolled tortilla with meat or other ingredients inside, called 'coçito' in Yucatan and 'taco' in Cuernavaca and Mexico).[4]
[edit] 20th century
:None with the entry itself.  However, this entry may need third party verification.
 
1923
Alejandro Borquez opens Sonora cafe in Los Angeles (later renamed El Cholo Spanish Cafe)[5] According to food historian Andrew F. Smith, burritos were "sold at Los Angeles's famed El Cholo Spanish Cafe during the 1930s."[6]
:Suggest changing the date to the actual time mentioned in the source "1930s". 
1934
Burrito mentioned in U.S. media for first time.[6]
:None
Restaurente del Bol Corona opens in Tijuana, Mexico.[7]
:Part of the overall unencyclopedia list.  If this is a legit item, some connection between this resturant and burrito history needs to be established.
1949
Restaurant Xochimilco opens in Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico
:Part of the overall unencyclopedia list.  If this is a legit item, some connection between this resturant and burrito history needs to be established.
1954
Burritos appear on menu at El Tepeyac in East Los Angeles. They are served on plates and offered smothered (with sauce)
:Needs source.  Candidate for immediate removal.
1955
Burritos appear at Cd. Juarez,Chih. Mex. by Modesto Calleja " Gorgorito " Who sell burritos on a three wheel cycle at the " Estatal #3 Middle School. Later Gorgorito was offering the Burritos on his special Burrera Panel Truck called " Calleja Super Burritos " at the Tecnologico de Cd. Juarez. ITRCJ
:Needs context.  Details should include explanation for the importance of selling burritos on a "three wheel cycle".  Perhaps more detail is availabe on the cited source.
1956
At the age of 19, Duane R. Roberts invents the first commercial frozen burrito for Butcher Boy Food Products
:Needs source.  Candidate for immediate removal.
1961
Sept. 26: Febronio Ontiveros offers the first retail burrito in San Francisco at El Faro ("The Lighthouse"), and is credited with inventing the "super burrito" style leading to the early development of the San Francisco burrito: the addition of rice, sour cream and guacamole to the basic meat, bean and cheese burrito. Originally a corner grocery store located at 2399 Folsom Street, El Faro got its start when firemen from a nearby station requested sandwiches. Unable to make them, Ontiveros offered burritos instead. Large tortillas were unavailable in the early 1960s, so three six-inch tortillas were used to hold the filling, and sold for one US dollar.[8][9]
:None.
 
Burrito assembly line
1964
Butcher Boy Food Products begins selling frozen bean and beef burritos, first to American Drive-in restaurants with deep-fryers; then later to school districts, food-service companies, and convenience stores
:Needs sources.  Candidate for immediate removal.
1965
Mi Rancho market sells burritos in the deli in SF
:Needs source.  Needs details as to the significance of this event.  An example of what is necessary is the detail in El Faro entry.  Otherwise, this is a candidate for immediate removal.
1969
Raul Duran opens La Cumbre taqueria and offers the first assembly line burrito in SF[10]
:None
1973
La Taqueria opens in SF
:Needs source.  Needs details as to the significance of this event.  An example of what is necessary is the detail in El Faro entry.  Otherwise, this is a candidate for immediate removal.
1975
Tia Sophia's in Santa Fe, New Mexico credited with inventing the breakfast burrito[11]
:This needs re-wording.  Right now it is unclear if Tia Sophia's invention is in 1975 or if this is when they were first given credit for being the first.
1980
Butcher Boy Food Products producing over one million frozen burritos a day
:Needs source.  Candidate for immediate removal.
1982
Gary Espinoza opens Taqueria Pancho Villa in SF, notable for featuring four distinct salsas: red (secret recipe) and green (cilantro, jalapeño and tomatillo blend) on the tables, and hot and mild salsas added to the burrito itself behind the counter (tomato, onion, cilantro, green jalapeño and salt).[8]
:This appears to be more notable with salsa history rather than burrito history.  Needs context, including a statement that establishes this entry's importance in burrito history.
1987
Santana's Mexican Grill opens; Andrew Marzoni invents San Diego-style "California burrito"
:Rather than the opening day of the resturant, this needs to be under the date of "California burrito" invention.
Freebirds World Burrito opens in Santa Barbara, California[12]
:This is an ad unless context can be provided to establish the opening of this resturant with burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal.
 
Assembly in progress1989
Inspired by San Francisco "Mission-style taquerias", Peter Fox and Eric Sklar open Burrito Brothers in Washington D.C.[13][14]
:Context needs to be provided that establishes the opening of this resturant with burrito history.  This might be notable if this was the first place to offer burritos on the East Coast.  I'm guessing that's not the case, however.
1990
Taco Bell, Carl's Jr. add breakfast burrito to morning menu
:Context is needed here too.  If these are the first breakfast burritos offered in nation-wide chains, then say so here.  Candidate for immediate removal, however since this is unsourced.
1991
100 burrito establishments in Mission District
:Needs source.  Needs context.  Candidate for immediate removal.
Skyline Chili adds burritos to menu
:Need source.  Needs context.  Candidate for immediate removal.
Food editor Patti Jean Birosik publishes The Burrito Book
:Needs source.  Needs context.  Candidate for immediate removal.
1992
Taqueria Pancho Villa begins offering "tofu burrito"[8]
:At this point, specialty burritos seems to be a bit promotional rather than significant points in burrito history.  Besides that, this needs context the covers its importance in burrito history.
1993
SF Weekly publishes John Roemer's influential essay, "Cylindrical God". Roemer estimates 25,000 burritos consumed daily in San Francisco's Mission District.[8]
:This is a self-referencial entry.  This entry also improperly asserts the value of the source.  This article is the source for many points in this timeline, but itself is part of the unencyclopedic list of items here. The 25,000 comment needs context that explains the significants of that snapshot.
Influenced by San Francisco taquerias and burritos, Beth Frumoff founds Chipotle Mexican Grill in Denver, Colorado.[9]
:This is an ad.  Nothing distinguishes Chipotle from every other place that sells burritos.  Candidate for immediate removal.
Taco Del Mar opens in Seattle. Popularizes 1.5 lb "mission-style" burrito"
:Needs source.  This mention of a specialty burrito seems to be a bit promotional rather than significant points in burrito history.  Besides that, this needs context the covers its importance in burrito history.  Candidate for immediate removal.
 
Finished burrito wrapped in foil from La Taqueria
1994
World Wrapps opens
:This is an ad.   Nothing distinguishes World of Wrapps from every other place that sells burritos.  Candidate for immediate removal.
CSPI analyzes fat content of burritos
:Needs source.  This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal.  
Author Hillary Davis publishes the International Burrito cookbook
:This is an ad. Candidate for immediate removal.
1995
Anna's Taqueria opens in Brookline, MA.
:This is an ad.  Nothing distinguishes Anna's from every other place that sells burritos.  Candidate for immediate removal.
1997
World's largest burrito stretches 1.09 km, weighing 2041 kg[10]
:None.
1998
Washington Post sends Peter Fox to search for origins of burrito[15]
:This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. 
1999
Aug: Comic strip cartoonist Scott Adams, CEO of Scott Adams Foods, launches the Dilberito line of frozen, vegetarian burritos[16]
[edit] 21st century
:This has a self-referenced source.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history.  Needs a third party source.
2001
7,700 feet (2,300 m)-long burrito made in Mexico and listed in the Guinness Book of World Records[17]
:None.
2002
University of Texas Press publishes Daniel D. Arreola's Tejano South Texas, a cultural geography of Tejano South Texas. The book delineates the South Texas Mexican food region using a "taco-burrito" and "taco-barbecue" line of demarcation. To the west of this line, Mexican food served in a flour tortilla is often called a burrito, due to the influence of the Mexican state of Chihuahua. To the south and east of this line, the same food may be simply called a taco, showing a "Texas Mexican" influence. To the north, the food gives way to barbecue sandwiches reflecting the influx of European, Southern Anglo, and African Americans.[18]
:This entry has an ad embedded with in it.  This topic has already been moved to the food section of Tejano.  It does not belong here as it is a self-reference.  Needs a third party source to state significance of book within burrito history.
2003
Charles Hodgkins begins gathering data from 170 taquerias in San Francisco for Burritoeater.com[19][20]
:This potentially an ad and is a self-referential entry that does not establish significance within the context of the history of the burrito. 
2005
Burritophile.com launches
:This is an ad.  This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal.  
Freebirds World Burrito (TX) starts online orders
:This is an ad.  This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal.  
May: A Clovis, New Mexico Middle school student creates a 30-inch burrito filled with steak, guacamole, lettuce, salsa and jalapeños for an extra-credit assignment project. The large, foil-wrapped burrito is mistaken as a weapon, and armed police officers are sent in, closing down streets and locking down the school.[21]
:This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. 
Jul: Rubio's (CA) Lobster Burrito lawsuit. Rubio's is accused of selling a "lobster burrito" that contains langostino meat from the squat lobster, an edible crustacean but not a lobster, raising questions about labeling lobster meat.[22]
:This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal. 
2006
Jan: The Burrito Project begins in Los Angeles, California, feeding burritos to the homeless.[23] In November, the project takes off on MySpace and spreads around the world, and in early 2007, the group is awarded a $10,000 MySpace Impact Award for serving "as an instrument of community action on behalf of the needy."[24]
:I'm unsure about this one, but it seems to be more important in the history of social causes rather than burrito history.
Mar: Chipotle Mexican Grill starts "Don't Stand in Line " online burrito ordering system[25]
:This is an ad.  Candidate for immediate removal. 
Jun: Ryan Goff gets prison term for Taco Bell burrito extortion"[26][27]
:This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal. 
Jul 29: Moe's Southwest Grill (FL) starts annual competitive burrito eating contest[28]
:Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history.  Needs more information.
Rosemary Gonzales arrested for smuggling drugs inside Taco Bell burrito
:Need source.  This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal. 
Oct. 30: After hearing expert testimony, Massachusetts judge rules that a burrito is not a sandwich[29][30]
:None.
2007
Jan: In honor of Elvis Presley, Taco Villa offers peanut butter and banana burritos.[31]
:This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal. 
Jul: Charles Hodgkins completes his 495th burrito review[20]
:This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal. 
Sept. 22: Competitive eater Tim "Eater X" Janus eats 10.75 burritos in 12 minutes, beating out Sonya "The Black Widow" Thomas and winning US$3,000 at the Costa Vida World Burrito Eating Championship in South Portland, Maine. Costa Vida's "Big Kahuna" burritos weighed 18 ounces, consisting of rice, beans, cheese and sweet pork in a flour tortilla. Eric "Badlands" Booker previously held the world record (15 burritos in eight minutes) but did not return to defend his title.[32][33]
:This is part of unencylcopedic list.  Importance of this entry is unclear in the context of burrito history. Candidate for immediate removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsuper  (talk • contribs) 04:10, 23 November 2010 
::Most, if not all of these content has already been discussed in the above sections.  Fcsuper has simply ignored the answers he was given and he has refused to participate in the discussion above as well as the merge discussion.  Fcsuper is welcome, at any time, to contribute to a discussion with other editors in the above section, rather than continuing to ask questions and ignore the answers.  In addition to the disruptive, tendentious editing by Fcsuper, he is also engaging in the fallacy of plurium interrogationum.  It is therefore requested that Fcsuper engage in actual discussion and stick to one topic at a time, working from the question to the answer, argument and counterargument, until an agreement is reached. It is also requested that Fcsuper stop trying to unilaterally delete or make controversial changes to content that is under discussion and to agree to edit in a harmonious manner.  Unless you are actually willing to respond to my points in the above discussion, continuing to copy, paste, and repeat the same questions over and over again is disruptive. Viriditas (talk) 04:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your tagging is acceptable and appropriate and avoids the tag bombing that Fcsuper left during his last round of edits.  Considering the merge proposal in the above section, and the effort towards that end, surprisingly, there isn't really a dispute.  Fcsuper simply hasn't participated in any discussion of the content he disputes.  He has asked questions, received answers, and ignored the answers, preferring to keep asking the same questions.  This is classified as tendentious editing.  To bring this matter to a conclusion, I've asked Fcsuper to stick to one entry at a time, and above, I've responded to most, if not all of his concerns.  Please note, he has not followed up on any of my points, but rather continues to ask a barrage of questions over and over again. Viriditas (talk) 05:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You continue to make pointless digs at the messager, even in the face of others telling you the same things I've been telling you.  Please note that I originally tagged this NPOV and recentism prior to the finding of other issues.  You even threatened me to not add the recentism tag originally on my talk page!  I invite you to discontinue your crusade and to actually discuss the issues with the article.  Your responses prior to this have not negated any of WP violations of the article. — fcsuper (How's That?, That's How!) (Exclusionistic Immediatist ) —  16:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Look up the page, Fcsuper.  You've been ignoring my comments about the content and focusing on personal attacks alone for almost a week.  Would you like diffs to go with those three fingers pointing back at you? I's gots 'dem. Viriditas (talk) 03:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Viriditas, for the Elvis matter, your response did not address the violation.  You simply puffed up the important of the source, which is your own original research.  It didn't change the fact that the entry is very unencyclopedic.  The same can be said for your other responses. Simply because you are given the last word in the line of comments doesn't mean you made your point.  The proof is in the results.  The article is properly tagged for its flaws, which was my goal.  So, thank you in bringing others into this discussion to help me with that goal.  Additionally, much of your complaint is more about my style than any actual content discussion. I ask questions to give direction as to finding the necessary information and sources needed to make improvements to the article.  Now please, FOC  and actually discuss the issues with this article in a sensible matter.  I'm interested in improving it. — fcsuper (How's That?, That's How!) (Exclusionistic Immediatist ) —  16:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's not going to work, Fcsuper. You need to directly address the comments I made in regards to your original question.  You cannot continue to claim that there is a "violation" and then not respond to comments refuting your original claim, and then continue to making the same claim. You need to stop what you are doing, and respond to all of the points I've made, which so far, you continue to completely and totally ignore.  The fallacy of many questions is not an appropriate form of discussion.  Respond to the points made, that's how we discuss.  We do not make a claim, ignore the response to the claim, and then continue making the claim over and over again.  That's tendentious, disruptive editing, and that's exactly what you've been doing on this talk page. Viriditas (talk) 20:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What's not going to work?  Are you still talking about other people's actions instead of the article's content itself?  Please focus on the content. Most of items listed in the article have issues that innclude original research, undue weight, unencylopedic items, and unsourced items, etc.  The line by line discussion has been started. — fcsuper (How's That?, That's How!) (Exclusionistic Immediatist ) —  20:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've focused solely on the content, while you've been canvassing your friends and rallying the troops to do war against material YOUDONTLIKE.  Please provide a single, solitary diff showing that you've responded to my answers offered to your questions in the context of an actual, threaded discussion.  You can't, because your entire tactical strategy consists of ignoring answers and fragmenting the discussion by starting new threads with the same questions already answered in previous threads.  You aren't here to improve the article, you're here to disrupt it.  During all this time you've spent tendentiously disrupting Wikipedia, I've been working on dozens of articles, including merging content into the burrito articles and discussing plans for improvement.  What research have you done on this topic?  What have you written? Viriditas (talk) 22:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Correctin, n103 Vyselink (talk) 20:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter what it says or what you say it says or what reason you give, Fcsuper will ignore all answers and oppose it, and continue to ask questions about it.  Viriditas (talk) 03:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Vyselink, I'm not challenging the value of the entry itself, just seeking to strengthen it. I'm interested to see if there is some additional material that might make this entry's importance more clear. For example, it would be great to have a source that mentioned its inclusion within this dictionary as the first of such inclusions in any dictionary. — fcsuper (How's That?, That's How!) (Exclusionistic Immediatist ) —  16:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, the fallacy of many questions.  Let us know when you are actually going to do the research and write the article.  All I see is question after question after question after question, in what I can only describe as a distraction from the comments that have already been given to you as answers in past discussion, answer you continue to ignore. Viriditas (talk) 20:05, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No questions have been asked.  Please remember to FOS.  Also, if we are to move on from this point, please stop trying to charactorize other's comments negatively.  Everyone here is acting in good faith. — fcsuper (How's That?, That's How!) (Exclusionistic Immediatist ) —  20:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You've been asking and posing nothing but questions, over and over again, and this latest shows that you are "seeking" to modify an entry and you are "interested to see" if there is more material, all of this amounts to the usual, all the while distracting us from moving forward.  You are very good at asking questions, but I haven't seen you respond to a single answer or get down to brass tacks and actually do the work required to improve the article. Viriditas (talk) 22:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violations, line by line: 

message: :Competitive eater Tim "Eater X" Janus eats 10.75 burritos in 12 minutes, beating out Sonya "The Black Widow" Thomas and winning US$3,000 at the Costa Vida World Burrito Eating Championship in South Portland, Maine. Costa Vida's "Big Kahuna" burritos weighed 18 ounces, consisting of rice, beans, cheese and sweet pork in a flour tortilla. Eric "Badlands" Booker previously held the world record (15 burritos in eight minutes) but did not return to defend his title.[32][33]
How did Eric Booker lose ("previously held") his world record of 15 burritos in 8 minutes to someone who ate 10.75 burritos in 12 minutes? Is this intending to refer to the 'World Burrito Eating Championship' title or something instead of the world record? Nil Einne (talk) 12:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nil Einne, I concur with my own concern about this entry.  It is an example of recentism.  In my view, it should be removed from the article. — fcsuper (How's That?, That's How!) (Exclusionistic Immediatist ) —  20:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please directly and specifically address the question asked by Nil Einne, Fcusper.  It would be wonderful to see you do that for once, and it might also require you to do some work, such as research and reading sources.  Again, you are misusing the term recentism.  The importance of this item depends on the merit and notability of its achievement, namely that of competitive eating.  Whether you personally feel it is notable is of no importance to this discussion. Viriditas (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "How did Eric Booker lose ("previously held") his world record of 15 burritos in 8 minutes to someone who ate 10.75 burritos in 12 minutes?  Is this intending to refer to the 'World Burrito Eating Championship' title or something instead of the world record?"   Answer: Eric Booker didn't lose his record. The fact that he didn't shows that this entry is an example of recentism as it describes nothing of significance from a historical perspective.  I am in favor of the inclusion of world record itself, as long as there is some sort of national/international recognition of this accomplishment. — fcsuper (How's That?, That's How!) (Exclusionistic Immediatist ) —  23:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In other words, you ignored the question and the topic of the question, just as you have ignored every question and answer on this page, preferring to argue IDONTLIKEIT in every case.  The majority of the information on this page is notable in terms of food history, and the focus on the timeline is supported by food historians and multiple writers. Viriditas (talk) 06:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The question was addressed directly, just as I'm directly addressing your comment here, now. — fcsuper (How's That?, That's How!) (Exclusionistic Immediatist ) —  06:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  World record?