Talk:Tri-State tornado outbreak

message: Let's stick to the first paragraph. Quote-
"This one tornado alone inflicted 695 fatalities, more than twice as many as the second deadliest, the Great Natchez, Mississippi Tornado of May 7, 1840. The 151 to 235 mi (243 to 378 km) track left by the tornado was the longest ever recorded in the world, as it crossed from southeastern Missouri, through southern Illinois, then into southwestern Indiana."
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"The tornado killed 695 people, twice as many as the second deadliest in US history. The track length, estimated at up to 235 miles, is the longest ever recorded worldwide. The tornado followed a path from SE Missouri across S Illinois and into SW Indiana."
Comment - tornadoes are no persons. They do not "inflict fatalities". They kill people. The word inflict implies a will. You could say God inflicted the casualties, but you probably would not want to. You get the point. There is no need to list every last detail in a summary. The interested reader can discover for himself the 2nd deadliest event if he wishes. Twice means 2x or more. It does not mean 2x on the button. Things are not recorded in the world. They are recorded in history. Tornadoes to not cross - they produce tracks. 
As you see, the hyperbolic, overly specific, and extremely purple nature of the prose accumulates usage and readability errors RAPIDLY, and it quickly becomes extremely tiresome to read these weather articles. It's not just this one article or set of authors - it is a general trend at Wiki that the articles about weather events are AWFULLY WRITTEN.
There is no point in a single person trying to straighten out such a mess. There needs to be an editorial board dedicated to factual and clearly stated information about weather events, stripped of hyperbolic language and high-school level usage whoppers.
Antimatter33 (talk) 22:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Awful weather writing

message: Years ago, about 10 years ago, I found a old picture of the tornado itself! Yes, a picture was snapped of the tri-state tornado as it was crossing the Wabash river Indiana, but I havent been able to find the picture ever since (should of downloaded it). Does anyone know of it? It would be the only photo taken.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maximus 100 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: picture of the tornado?

message: In its simplest usage, it gives us a direct way to document wind damage from tornadoes.
It has also given us a data form of occurences of tornadoes, such that we can say that a probability of occurences exists.  Meaning that we get a probability curve directly related to the strength of tornadoes to the number of occurences.  Several websites depict this fact.
The largest number of "witnessed" tornadoes occur in the F1 to F2 range.  This drops of significantly as we go through the F3 and F4 range.  So much so, that F5 is extremely rare. — Hard Raspy Sci 19:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The damage itself is directly observed, but it's an indirect inference of intensity and wind speed, ergo one cannot make comparisons between events or do risk management/climatology or valid statistics assuming they are DIRECTLY attained.  An important caveat, but otherwise the jist is correct, that rough intensity distributions (cognizant of the shortcomings) can be inferred and modeled. Evolauxia 08:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What his scale has given us

message: This one of if not the most important single tornado in history.  The article should be expanded to include more information about the aftermath, as well as its historical scope.  Actually, pretty much any non-trivial info that can be added should be added.  Also, yes, a map of the track would be perfect. -Runningonbrains 19:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If others don't get to it first, I intend to expand it significantly when I find time. I've provided quite a lot of source material online, as well as other stuff which can be found in libraries or otherwise obtained. Evolauxia 10:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The writing on Wikipedia about weather is so atrocious (essentially word tornadoes - laughable hyperbole, terrible usage errors, grammar mistakes, spelling mistakes, chaotic presentation) that I would hesitate to encourage more of it. Antimatter33 (talk) 22:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expand 

message: There is information on the main tornado online with which to expand the article, but the other tornadoes will be hard to find.  Here is info on the other tornadoes, for the event table.  I'll provide the data, someone please format it into the tables.
times local; only curt note of most significant damage listed for now due to copyright issue
# F2; Montgomery County, Kansas; 0510; unknown path length/width; 0k, 0inj; homes and gas station damage at and around Dearing, Kansas
# F5; Reynolds-Iron-Madison-Bollinger-Cape Girardeau-Perry, Missouri - Jackson-Williamson-Franklin-Hamilton-White, Illinois - Posey-Gibson-Pike, Indiana; 1301; 219 mi (1200 yd ave width); ≥695k, 2027inj; moved ENE near Ellington, Missouri to about 10 mi NE Princeton, Indiana
# F2; Colbert County, Alabama; 1645; 12 mi (60 yd ave width); 1k, 12inj; moved NE at Littleville, Alabama where damage and casualties at gas station, homes, and store occurred
# F4; Sumner, Tennessee - Allen-Barren-Monroe-Metcalfe, Kentucky; 1700; 60 mi psbl tornado family (400 yd ave width); 39k, 95inj; moved ENE from near Buck Lodge, Tennessee (8 mi N Gallatin, Tennessee) to Beaumont, Kentucky, homes leveled in many communities
# F4; Harrison County, Indiana - Jefferson County, Kentucky; 1715; 18 mi (1200 yd ave width); 4k, 60inj; up to mile wide, moved ENE from Muckport, swept away entire farms near Laconia and Elizabeth, Indiana before ending just south of Louisville, Kentucky
# F3; Williamson-Rutherford, Tennessee; 1745; 20 mi (200 yd ave width); 1k, 9inj; major damage to homes in Kirkland, Tennessee incurring all casualties
# F3; Jefferson-Oldham, Kentucky; 1800; 10 mi (unknown width); ≥3k, 40inj; moved NE from east edge of Louisville, Kentucky to near Pewee Valley, Kentucky; at least dozen homes destroyed
# F3; Bedford-Rutherford, Tennessee; 1810; 12 mi (300 yd ave width); 2k, 15inj; moved ENE from near Unionville, Tennessee to 2 mi NE Fosterville, Tennessee, at least 10 homes destroyed
# F3; Marion-Washington-Mercer-Jessamine-Fayette-Bourbon, Kentucky; 1830; 60 mi tornado family (300 yd ave width); 2k, 40inj; moved ENE from western Marion County, Kentucky, passing near Springfield, Kentucky, ending past Lexington, Kentucky
:Source: Grazulis, Thomas P. (1993). Significant Tornadoes.
Evolauxia 01:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good find! That is really hard to find for such old outbreaks! (Of course, there were probably more F0 and F1 tornadoes that went unreported) CrazyC83 01:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the F-scale breakdown, but if someone adds a summary table of the actual tornadoes, that would be great.  And yes, there were undoubtedly more tornadoes, both weak and strong, this event had several large, long-track, intense tornadoes (at least 3 violent!).  I don't know how many, but the number of other tornadoes is very likely not insignificant.  Additionally, it's likely the path length of the  Tri-State will be extended. Evolauxia 10:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info on other tornadoes 

message: I've heard from various professors and scientists about the "Tri-State" tornado, and I understand that there are competing theories about what actually happened.  Modern research seems to have suggested that episodes like this are actually a family of tornadoes borne out of a cyclical supercell event, but there are weaknesses in applying that theory to this case... Also, detailed maps of the path are broken where the tornado was not tracked.  The national weather service mentions that scientists are uncertain as to what actually happened:
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pah/1925/wi_body.php
Anyway, the point is that I think we could add a section devoted to theories about this phenomenon.  Does anyone have any information about this?  Alternative theories?  I'd like to hear about that.  In any case, it would be good to have a more detailed map of the damage but I've only seen that in textbooks that I no longer own.
RobShepard 01:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been little evidence of breaks in the path, actually none save some scant, uncompelling stuff in a couple areas of the path. The problem has been that it doesn't match with our past and current understanding of supercell morphology/dynamics and tornadogenesis as well as lack of any other tornadoes approaching that length or duration.  This has changed some as recent tornadoes have occurred with very long tracks, as well as very long-lived supercells (which doesn't connect directly, we've known about long-track tornado families, but is evidenciary of our changing understanding of supercells/severe convective storms and tornadoes).  There has also been very thorough new research on the path of the tornado, including a detailed resurvey as well as significant attempts to locate survivors and other additional information.  As of this writing, no evidence of a break in the path had been found, and the path length may actually be extended! Evolauxia 10:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important information missing? 

message: I could be reading the section wrong but the article states that 695 people lost their lives in total in the entire path of the tornado. When you come to the section on Illinois you read that 34 were lives were lost in Gorham, that 541 lives were lost in the towns of Johnston City, Murphysboro, De Soto, Hurst-Bush, West FrankfortZeigler, Eighteen, and Crossville. Next 22 lives are lost in Parrish bringing the number to 597. Finally, this may be splitting hairs but the article states that 234 were killed in Murphysboro. I know that this 234 is included in the 597 but the phrase is a bit ambiguous leading the reader to think that the number should be more like 831.Mortsey (talk) 21:38, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death toll numbers don't add up in section on  Illinois 

message: *March 2013 Reanalysis of Meteorological Events associated with the 1925 Tri-State tornado (and overall outbreak)
*The 1925 Tri-State Tornado Damage Path and Associated Storm System
Cyclonebiskit (talk) 08:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meteorological details 

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message: I note this edit by Evolauxia with edit summary "there's a format to tornado event articles. this was a major outreak of which the namesake "tornado" was one family".
Firstly, it is marked as minor, which you shouldn't do to a revert unless you are pretty sure the original edit was in bad faith.
On the substance of the change... Most of the articles about tornadoes are about tornado outbreaks, but the title of this article suggests it is about a specific tornado.  From the comment, I am guessing Evolauxia wants this article to be about the outbreak as a whole.  If so, we should move the article to something like Tri-State tornado outbreak.
However, I would prefer to keep the existing title - the tri-state tornado was much bigger than the other tornadoes of the outbreak - 695 of the 747 deaths -  so it makes sense to have that as the main subject and mention the wider outbreak lower down the article.
This wouldn't be the only article where the title is a single tornado.  e.g. 1924 Lorain–Sandusky tornado, which was the year before, and New Orleans tornado of 2017.
Yaris678 (talk) 13:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this article about a tornado, or a tornado outbreak? 

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message: I feel like "Tornado outbreak of March 18, 1925" isn't a very recognizable title for such a well-known event. Shouldn't the name be changed to be a more widespread title, such as "Tri-State Tornado Outbreak"? The title, "Tornado outbreak of March 18, 1925" is bland and not much more recognizable than "Tornado Outbreak of March 17, 2021", so it should be changed to be a bit more recognizable. This is what was done with the Andover tornado outbreak to make it a more recognizable title. Chrispanda (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article's Name (2021) 

message: Unfortunately, the events of the December 10, 2021 outbreak has broken the record set by this tornado/outbreak.  National Weather Service has confirmed the track for the Quad-state tornado being around 240miles long, making the Tri-State tornado now the second longest tornado track recorded.  https://www.fourstateshomepage.com/news/joplin-news-first/quad-state-tornado-paths-mapped-by-national-weather-service-offices-ar-mo-ky-il/  SIMplMn9 (talk) 17:43, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Update (12/2021) 

message: Why is it written in our photo card that 44 died in Griffin, but in article 46? i not know -- 212.164.204.112 (talk) 17:35, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The number of deaths in Griffin Is..? 

message: Can the Infobox mention the tornado outbreak caused 751 deaths? I got that by adding up the total deaths which is allowed per WP:CALC. 69.118.232.58 (talk) 16:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: SpinningCeres 01:40, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2022