Talk:Third-oldest university in England debate

message: You've done very well here. Thanks for this page. --Duncan 16:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great page! 

message: According to this article, UCL was originally called "University of London".
According to the [University College London] article, its original name was "London University" (although there is some discussion on the talk page about the accuracy of this). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wardog (talk • contribs) 11:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original name of UCL 

message: Richmond is not a UK university, in the sense that it does not have the power to award degrees. It may be a perfectly-respectable third-level institution; but it teaches for degrees validated by the OU and that doesn't make it a university.Kranf (talk) 19:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richmond University 

message: This article should really also mention the University of Northampton, which was the third university to be founded in England. Sure, it only existed for four years and it has only been since 2005 that Northampton has a university again, but I say it does merit inclusion in this article. (And no, I don't have time to it myself, sorry.) sephia karta | di mi 21:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of Northampton (thirteenth century) 

message: Although Newcastle Medical School was part of the University of Durham at a later date, its foundation (predating Durham's Royal Charter, but not its Act of Parliament) was as an independent institution, and it became independent from Durham again when Newcastle became a University. As such, Newcastle University's origins in the medical school seem to be separate from Durham's claim (which is based on the University of Durham's Act of Parliament and Royal Charter), and Newcastle is one of many institutions that can claim to be descended from non-university institutions that offered higher education before Durham and London received their Royal Charters (but were not founded as universities before that date). ThomasL (talk) 14:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true; however, though the original School of Medicine and Surgery (before the schism, on Orchard Lane) awarded certificates of attendance, the first qualifications recognized by an external body were certificates validated by the University of London in the 1840s. Admitunit (talk) 16:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newcastle Medical School 

message: I've put on a section on relevant academic studies, which one would hope would be less influenced by the institutional publicity machines than the press. However, the references I was able to track down (mainly using Google Books and Google Scholar) almost all came down in favour of Durham. If anyone knows of other relevant academic studies, particularly ones demonstrating a diversity of opinion, please add them! Robminchin (talk) 00:56, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Academic studies section

message: Given Caen was founded in English Normandy by the John of lancaster Regent of France for his nephew Henry VI - doesn't that make it the third English university - if not the third oldest in England.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0B:E541:60F:0:2096:1045:821:5C5B (talk) 10:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Caen was founded under the authority of Henry as Duke of Normandy and/or as claimant to the French throne, not under his authority as King of England. It's no more an English university than Dublin (founded by Queen Elizabeth I of England but under her authority as Queen of Ireland). Robminchin (talk) 04:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As Robminchin says, there was still a 'Kingdom of France' that England held at that time under Henry VI, though his reign was disputed, hence Caen was founded by Englishmen. But it cannot be considered to have been in England, which is what this article is about. Mountaincirque 09:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Caen University