Talk:L. D. Bell High School

message: I thought I'd rated this before? Deja vu Victuallers 20:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought so, too. I checked though, you did Trinity High School (Euless, Texas). They're pretty similar at points. :) Thanks! --Hebisddave 20:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: This seams to be a recurring source of vandalism, similar to the William Liess stories (note William has an undocumented and poorly written wikipedia page that seems to be highly unlikely).  The point of wikipedia should be to tell the world why L.D. Bell is notable and/or significant.  The band's competitive success seems to contribute to this, but the altercation from the removed paragraphs does not.  The trivia section currently includes facts that were newsworthy or paint a picture of the school's character and uniqueness. Fickman 05:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

message: According to this article, http://ae.dfw.com/entertainment/ui/dfw/restaurant.html?id=72488&reviewId=18736 the main business that William Liess claims to own on his own wikipedia page is not owned by Willie.  I nominated his user page for speedy delivery, and would recommend that his bio seems totally fabricated.  Numerous searches on Google can find no article or evidence to support that any of his claims are true.  All of this combined with the fact that he admits to being a valet at the Gaylord Texan in Grapevine to appear as a "normal college kid" suggest that we can delete his name until proof of his notoriety is presented. Fickman 05:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The notable alumni listing is already removed, but I'll second that it was appropriate to remove. --Hebisddave 21:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommend removal of William Liess as famous alumni 

message: I got curious and did some Googling and I couldn't seem to find any reference to the "Carnivore Award" for local football.  Seems odd, given that most local football seems to get good coverage on the web.  Given that all of the other edits made at the same time have been reverted, it could just be fake... --Hebisddave 21:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  There are some facts that seem believable to those familiar with the school, and although unreferenced, should remain with the {fact} tag until proven.  Others should be removed and only admitted once they are proven, and I believe this falls into the latter category.  I've never heard of the carnivore award.  Fickman 19:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I went on and removed the carnivore award since I was unable to find a reference, it seems made up, and there were no counters within this discussion topic.  In the event that it wasn't totally fabricated, it sounds like something a local newspaper writer might have "given" as a creative way to mention the team's strength of schedule.  The rest of the awards section has UIL based accomplishments or official awards from nationally recognized organizations that were newsworthy.  From an encyclopedic sense, the non-district strength of schedule for the varsity football team in 2006 probably isn't worthy of preservation. Fickman 19:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carnivore Award? 

message: I googled this, and it appears that the Texas Step Shows is a real thing (www.texasstepshows.com), but their web site is down, so I could not verify this fact.  I added fact tags for the time being.  The table is really meant to show awards for the school (or for students representing the school), so if this was not a UIL or other school sponsored event, it probably doesn't belong in the table. Fickman 21:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be a nice one to have a citation for...I asked around and was told that it's true, but I'll look for something better than this person I talked to last week, too.  I'd lean towards keeping it, but it does start to bring up the larger question of what goes in a school's article... --Hebisddave 15:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mezmorizing Lady Steppers 

message: I added faculty numbers, staff numbers, TAKS scores, ethnicity stats, etc from the TEA report at http://www.tea.state.tx.us/ -> Data Resources and Research -> Academic Excellence Indicator System (AEIS) Reports -> AEIS Reports for 2005-06 -> Schools -> Bell H S.  I mostly copied the formatting from the Trinity HS article, so it may need tweaking to work best with this article's structure. --Hebisddave 15:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats from TEA AEIS report 05-06 

message: Currently, we have kept all of the famous alumni additions in alphabetical order.  Would it make more sense to do these in order of graduation year?  I can see the case for both sides.  Alphabetically will easily handle somebody who attended the school, didn't graduate, but has done something noteworthy.  Most likely, the main traffic to this site will be alumni of Bell and/or the surrounding schools, so they might be more interested in, "who is famous that I went to school with", which would make the chronological order more useful.  It's probably an academic point right now with only a handful of famous alumni, but I think it's worth questioning so that it's set up right.  Fickman 19:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll put in a weak vote for chronological, although either would be acceptable to me. I agree on seeing the case for both sides.  For sorting by year, I like the "who I went to school with" point; it also could draw attention to which famous alumni went to school with each other.  Knowing the name of an alum but not the year could be tricky, but editors could put (unknown) for the year and place them approximately in order or at the bottom of the list. I think I remember seeing some discussion of this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools with similar discussion points, and I think the consensus was that alphabetical and chronological were both acceptable (but of course I can't find it now). --Hebisddave 15:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done Fickman 21:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Alumni Organization 

message: Does there need to be an external reference in addition to the Wikipedia article that lists all three girls as band members?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fickman (talk • contribs) 21:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so.  If there's a citation at the 3 of Hearts article that talks about them going to Bell, we can use that citation. The line at the 3 of Hearts article that says they went to Bell is something I added after seeing them listed here...so if we tried to just cite that Wikipedia article, it would be circular with no actual reference information. :) I'll add a  tag to the 3 of Hearts article, which I should have done before anyway. --Hebisddave 15:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed - 3 of Hearts 

message: Sorry to lump so many changes into one edit, I got on a roll. :)  It seemed to make sense to pull the information about the campus out of some of the other sections...there's still some in the Athletics section, because I wasn't sure whether to pull everything out of Athletics or not.  Thanks, Whisper, for pushing me to get rid of the Trivia section, I knew someone would point it out sooner or later. ;)  I changed the lead paragraphs back but added a few citations -- my personal opinion is that the band and gymnastics achievements are the biggest steps towards real notability to justify the article (instead of just because it's a high school), but I'm still fuzzy on what's best for leads and invite editing and suggestion. --Hebisddave 20:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead and campus and trivia sections 

message: I'm not sure why you are removing the second paragraph from the lead.  My thoughts are that the lead section should explain why the school is notable.  The school is indeed notable because of its nationally recognized band program and constant gymnastic success, both of which are cited.  However, I'm open to hearing and considering your thoughts on why this should not be in the lead. --Hebisddave 19:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Paragraph of the Lead 

message: I've added James L. Haley as a notable alumni, since he's notable enough to have his own Wikipedia page, and he was recently inducted into the HEBISD Hall of Fame (source:  (pdf, 5.5 MB)). I haven't yet been able to find his graduation year.  His Wikipedia page says that he left graduate school to become an author, and the Hall of Fame induction document says his first book was published in 1976, which would seem to place his high school graduation date in the late 1960s. --Hebisddave (talk) 22:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need graduation year for James L. Haley 

message: I did not believe that this entry was significant enough to list as a notable alumni.  The magazine is certainly not a widespread publication and appearing on the magazine is not in-and-of-itself notable.  If the alumni did something notable to earn being featured in the magazine, then that should be brought up for discussion on its own merits.  
Here is the deleted text:
"New Era Cover boy
Ryan Pegram appeared on the cover of the September 2009 "New Era" magazine, a teen-focus magazine  sponsored by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He currently attends Southern Virginia University and plans to serve a full time mission."
173.74.18.60 (talk) 01:15, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Unless he was put on the cover of the Mormon magazine for a significant reason, he should not be considered notable. smileguy91talk 17:22, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryan Pegram as notable alumni? 

message: Under the history section there is a line dedicated to the student who put bleach in the Mountain Dew of another student after not receiving the lead role in a theater production.
This does not need to be in the Wikipedia page. It is not part of the school's history, nor does it give any information as to why the school is significant. It's an isolated incident that happened to occur. If we are to include this lady in the school's history, then should we not include every arrest of every student? Every drug bust? Or the time the school went under lockdown because of a robbery in the area? The theater incident is just an irrelevant story for this page.
So I think "On June 2, 2006, a senior Bell theater student, Katherine Smith, was arrested for "tampering with a consumer product" after she put bleach in a 20 oz. Mountain Dew bottle and gave it to the 15 year old actor who had won a leading role in the play, for which Smith was the understudy.[11]" needs to be removed.
:I agree, but I'm related to the school and won't make that edit to avoid appearance of conflict of interest. Would appreciate other editors weighing in on this. --Hebisddave (talk) 15:14, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  However, the edit can be carried out by Hebisddave if you take this into consideration: Wikipedia:COI#Escape.2C_disclosure_or_management. I believe that this would have justified this edit. Please revert the edit that I made if you believe it was incorrectly made. link to revision smileguy91talk 00:43, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Removal 

message: We emailed Dr. Robert Glenn, and he confirmed that he graduated in May 1971 from LD Bell. I know that's kind of flimsy as a citation replacement, but I'm hoping that this isn't a controversial enough fact for that to be a problem. Let me know if removing the question mark is a problem for you! --Hebisddave (talk) 14:44, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of Robert Glenn graduation 

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