Talk:Mr. Bungle

message: Removed
:Their music sounds amazing and innovative to some and masturbatory and tiresome to others, and they have never found widespread commercial success, despite being fronted by former Faith No More singer Mike Patton, nor have they actively sought it. They were rumored only able to maintain their high production values because of guitarist Trey Spruance's considerable inherited wealth, but this has since been proven false ([ http://www.perfectpitchonline.com/v01i07/trey_spruance.php] ).
=== Mr. Bungle is Ok ===
Mr. Bungle as a band is Ok. The album California on the other hand, is probably one of the greatest albums ever... Disco Volante is sort of avangard, and the other material IS kind of masturbatory. But songs like Ars Moriendi, Goodbye Sober Day, and None Of Them New They Were Robots have a quality which is epochal to say the least. What does it mean to say that the band never had any commercial success?
:Is are Moriendi the song that sounds loke freaking Arabian Metal?  To say that a band had commercial success would mean that they enjoyed vast television exposure but more importantly that they made a lot of money from their albums.  207.157.121.50 11:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinions regarding Mr. Bungle 

message: Mr. Bungle as a band is Ok. The album California on the other hand, is probably one of the greatest albums ever... Disco Volante is sort of avangard, and the other material IS kind of masturbatory. But songs like Ars Moriendi, Goodbye Sober Day, and None Of Them New They Were Robots have a quality which is epochal to say the least. What does it mean to say that the band never had any commercial success?
:Is are Moriendi the song that sounds loke freaking Arabian Metal?  To say that a band had commercial success would mean that they enjoyed vast television exposure but more importantly that they made a lot of money from their albums.  207.157.121.50 11:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Bungle is Ok 

message: Removed, as the information was, a) incorrect, and b) cleared up earlier in the article. -al 05:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title controversy 

message: Industrial is in the list of genres they played. Hell, they played a lot of shit, but I don't recall any 'Industrial' in there. Not the art school type, the rock type or EBM. I'm totally removing it. What does that word even mean!? I replaced it with surf rock, a genre they played constantly on California (doi).   Gatesofawesome!
At Chapter "Major Releases"
It says: "Their self-titled debut Mr. Bungle..."
I would like to add, that the debut of Mr. Bungle is also mentioned by the name "I believe in sex and death"
Folks, the long list of genres strikes me as being a bit ridiculous. If there is one thing Mr. Bungle proves if you ask me it is the fact that the division of music into genres is a waste of time. Can't we just say they had their own style influenced by many different musical directions or something? --Vunzmstr 11:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: What was the line-up for Mr. Bungle? I mean, we know who were the members, but what was each one's duty? I'm assuming that Patton was lead singer and Dunn was bassist, but what about the others? Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me! • O)))) 12:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Line-up 

message: The reason Mr. Bungle was kicked off their 2000 festivals, was because in their parodies of RHCP they re-enacted the death of Hillel Slovak, Kiedis' and Flea's childhood friend and original RHCP guitarist, as a joke. You can view videos of this performance on YouTube
Based off the available videos mentioned, they do not re-enact the death of Hillel Slovak. Trevor Dunn does attempt to shoot up his ghost but he fails for obvious reasons.
They do indeed make jokes about the death of Hillel Slovak in these performances, but these performances took place after Kiedis had already kicked Bungle off of the festivals and the Bungle guys were, rightfully, unhappy with the Chili Peppers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.34.238.2 (talk) 01:09, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Mr. Bungle vs. RHCP feud 

message: When talking about the discography, an FTP server is mentioned. Maybe it would be wise to include a link to said FTP server? --129.7.154.124 00:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-official FTP server? 

message: My parents had a few musical projects in Eureka (Humboldt County, Calfornia) between '85 and '91, and they used to play gigs all over the place. A few notable efforts include their bands AlienNation and Claire Voyant and the Momewraths. They used to put on these really off-the-wall shows complete with weird audience contests and funky costumes, and on a few occasions, these concepts were borrowed from them and used by Bungle. No musical material, just performance concepts. A few of these include easter egg hunts throughout different venues, the whole band wearing their underclothes over their regular stuff, and much more. I'll be back to update this with clearer information at a later date. --71.49.199.55 03:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Used my parent's material from time to time 

message: Should this article have a disambiguation link to A Rape in Cyberspace, which talks about Mr. Bungle, the username of an alleged online rapist? I say "alleged" because there was no conviction as far as I can tell. I would guess that the band is far more notable than the other meaning. However, I came to this article looking for the online screen name, so perhaps others might come here as well (I was reading this article and came to Wikipedia to find information about it that is less excessively verbose as this other article). If there is to be a disambiguation link (I think a disambiguation page is inappropriate due to the large difference in notability), I suggest something like, "This article is about the band. For the username, see A Rape in Cyberspace." -- Kjkolb 02:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation with alleged online rapist 

message: I've removed some material from the article which was unsourced. If sources can be found, please add (with source) back to the article. -- Mr Bungle 08:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs citations 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Mr. bungle-logo.png

message: The article, as whole, has various grammatical and structure problems that keep it from being passed as a GA:
*During the course of their career the band also had an ongoing feud with Red Hot Chili Peppers frontman Anthony Kiedis, which escalated in the late 90s with Kiedis having Mr. Bungle removed from a number of large music festivals in Europe and Australasia where the Chili Peppers were headlining." Good information, but it needs to be trimmed and divided into several sentences. Far too long in it's current state. 
*The article has an overall colloquial tone:
**"The content is, however, very hard to pin down using specific genres, and the structure and musical style of any single track frequently changes dramatically" Too informal.
*"Critic Steve Huey wrote in All Music Guide "Mr. Bungle is a dizzying, disconcerting, schizophrenic tour through just about any rock style the group can think of, hopping from genre to genre without any apparent rhyme or reason, and sometimes doing so several times in the same song." Should be reworded to sound more fluent.
*"The album featured numerous samples, including Kentucky Fried Chicken commercial outtakes, items from the videogames "Super Mario Bros”, "Smash TV”, and “RBI Baseball", the movies Blue Velvet and Sharon's Sex Party, and the pinball games "Cyclone," “Earthshaker," and "Haunted House." I have absolutely no idea what this sentence means. Also, there are several punctuation issues such as using a period before the quotes of a song title. 
*Personally, I believe this article comes across as very...favorable to Mr. Bungle and there's little to no criticism of the band's material. Whoever wrote the article is far too biased and there needs to be some outside help gathering sources which criticized the band.
*The entire section regarding his feud with Kiedis is relatively un-encyclopedic in this article, as it's basically a Patton thing, and he's simply using the band to levitate his beliefs. 
There's a lot of work to be done before resubmitting. If you feel this assessment was conducted in error, please, feel free to seek a review. NSR77 TC 21:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article Review – Failed 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Mr. bungle-logo.png

message: Why the pictures were switched around? --74.135.59.209 (talk) 05:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there any reason... 

message: And more importantly why there was no debate on the matter? Pwrong (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems they went through AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bowel of Chiley and were deemed non notable. I didn't even notice. They would need to be sourced better to be recreated. Mr Bungle | talk 21:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can find sources for them. How do I find the articles so I can do it? Or do they have to be rewritten? Pwrong (talk) 14:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP:MUSIC, demos are non-notable in general, unless you have enough reliable sources. I am not in favour of that deletion, but post here these sources, so that we know whether they are reliable enough - whether it is worth to recreate the article.--  LYKANTROP  ✉  14:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AMG reviewed Bowel of Chiley  but not the other demos. You would need to get an admin to retrieve the deleted information; probably best to get the information moved to your user space to work on it/source it before recreation.Mr Bungle | talk 21:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does anyone know why the articles for the demos were deleted? 

message: I'm removing this section as it has been brought up on the talk page here before and I think it is rather crass to have included in an encyclopedia entry.Air.light (talk) 03:37, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feud with RHCP. 

message: This is simply not true.
This claim cites liner notes on albums as reference, and if you check those on their very own pages here on wikipedia, you'll see that Patton is hardly over 50% writing credits (for music, at least)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.124.171.181 (talk) 20:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mike Patton writing the majority of stuff on their albums... 

message: This song was released as a promo single and just because its Mr.Bungle's only single ever doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned. On Both the Mr.Bungle article and the Mr. Bungle album article this information should be added. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 23:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Travolta/Quote Unquote

message: I've noticed in the past there's been controversy over adding death metal (early, of course) to the genres. I think it's probably well-sourced enough now, but I'm hesitant to add it myself, as their death metal period was such a short-lived time in their career. At least relative to the other genres listed, and even then, they didn't stick to anything particularly long, which puts into perspective just how short that period was. What do you guys think? Lynchenberg (talk) 20:44, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, no debate. Guess they play the death metal then, HANH? Hah, hah, hah. Lynchenberg (talk) 04:50, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Metal. 

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message: In the past, it's been agreed death metal wasn't well-sourced enough to be a main genre in the infobox, while personally, I felt they never played pure death metal long enough for it be a main genre. However, given that they're reuniting specifically to perform death metal songs (even going so far as hire Scott Ian and Dave Lombardo) do you think it's time to add it to the infobox? I can easily find sources saying they're playing death metal now if so. Lynchenberg (talk) 13:33, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The question will be determined by the sources and how they present the Bungle/death metal intersection. Binksternet (talk) 15:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.faithnomorefollowers.com/2016/03/mr-bungle-raging-wrath-of-easter-bunny.html I know this is a fansite, and therefore we can't cite it itself. However, this page itself cites a number of non-cite sources that are far more official, where the band describes itself as playing "total death metal" on this album, although it's mentioned three songs (Grizzly Adams, Hypocrites and Evil Satan) the band showed where they would later go. Would any of these sources be worth citing in terms of supporting the death metal question? 174.89.31.89 (talk) 21:26, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Death Metal Strikes Back. 

message: I feel like we may be, as so far we've got alternative metal, avant-garde metal, funk metal, death metal and thrash metal. Death and thrash metal seem to be describing the same era, which would be the Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny era, aka, the material they've reformed to play. However, this material has also been described by the band as speed metal by Dunn in older interviews, death metal/ska by Spruance in modern interviews, pure death metal by Patton in older interviews, and just plain thrash metal since reforming. They seem to flex with regards to what exactly what the material on Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny is, but as this is all describing the same material, I think we need to come to some kind of understanding on what exactly we're going to label in the main genres for this era. Especially considering they played so many genres, that the infobox could become overloaded if we listed every single one, instead of just keeping each era to one or two core genres. Metal, of whatever stripe describes the Raging Wrath era, ska or ska-punk describes the subsequent demo tape era, and the Warner Bros era is best described as experimental, be that labelled avant-garde, avant-garde metal or experimental rock. Speed metal, thrash metal, and death metal all describe the same music, so I think we need to cite just one of them. Perhaps the one that is listed most often in the sources? Lynchenberg (talk) 23:03, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are we overdoing metal in the genres? 

message: Hi, I thought this would be a good time to bring this up, because I recently was reading a new interview with Trey Spruance and he brought up Mr. Bungle's ska period again: https://www.revolvermag.com/music/mr-bungles-trey-spruance-everything-we-ever-did-was-metal-way
In the interview, Spruance says, "We came at Mr. Bungle as a kind of absurd metal-band-that-was-not-really-a-metal-band from the very beginning — from the very first demo tape. It's not really what other metal bands were doing. We thought it was, but it wasn't. So that weird hybrid didn't really change — we kinda switched into a ska band and did some funk for a while, but when we found our rhythm again, it kind of turned back into a metal band but with all these other weird attachments on it." There's been some controversy given another quote on this page where Trevor Dunn uses the phrase "we were by no means ever ska band." There seems to be a difference of opinion within the band about whether the band ever predominantly played ska. The other band members are silent on it, but having read/listened to many interviews with Spruance and Dunn, Dunn seems embarrassed by the demo tapes where they played ska, seeing them as amateurish and derivative of other bands, particularly Fishbone. He seems to want to forget this period of the band and remembers their death/speed/thrash metal period fondly, although he mentions a liking of the genre and remains proud of the ska-influenced material on the self-titled album (keeping in mind it's "by no means a ska" album). Spruance on the other hand seems proud of this period of the band and fondly talks about their period as an unsigned ska band in multiple interviews. There are also multiple sources in the article describing the band's sound during this period as either ska or ska-punk (although most just say ska to be fair). 
Perhaps this isn't enough to include ska in the main genres on the info box, but I think describing their demo tape period as predominantly ska in the opening paragraph would be fair. Outside sources describe that material as ska or ska-punk, as does Trey Spruance. We also have contemporary quotes from Patton and Dunn describing this material at the time as ska. Patton seems to have completely moved on from that era, not mentioned it either positively or negatively in modern interviews, and Dunn seems embarrassed by that era in contemporary interviews. But one man's embarrassment doesn't change the facts gleaned from multiple sources. 
What do you all think? 99.230.58.230 (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bungle's ska period. 

message: Am I blind, or does not the source say this verbatim? EDIT: I am sure the source says Mr. Bungle tormented an innocent autistic kid with a mean nickname and named the band that so he could never move on and be stuck in high school forever. They are callous, mean metal kids who were the cool clique and hurt other people just because it made them laugh.Lynchenberg (talk) 13:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't equate the word "goober" with somebody who is autistic, so I guess I'm the wrong one to ask but as was already stated, we go by what the article actually says, not what can be read into it or assumed. It doesn't say they called him that to his face, just that that was what they referred to him as. Maybe they flat out did but the article exists to report the facts presented in the cited source, not to judge whether what they said or did is nice or not. In this case, the facts are that they got the name from the 50s film aired on the Pee-Wee Herman Show, referred to another kid by that name for a while, and then used it for their band name. That's it.NJZombie (talk) 13:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I see your perspective now and will leave it be. But the way people in metal bands treat those with autism is a serious thing, I get passionate about it and sometiems I do not use my best judgement. Please be patient with me in future if the subject comes up again. EDIT: Some autistic people get PTSD for years based on seemingly innocuous things like what Mr. Bungle did.Lynchenberg (talk) 13:38, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Webster's defines a "goober" as a foolish person. It was also dated slang for someone from the Southeastern U.S., such as Georgia or Arkansas. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 03:08, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Bungle bullied an autistic child at their school.