Talk:Nations Cup (football)

message: Does anyone know what the exact name of this tournament will be? So far I've seen "4 Associations Tournament", "4 Association Tournament", "Four Associations Tournament", "Four Association Tournament" and "4 Associations Cup"! Someone set us straight! – PeeJay 20:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Carling Nations Cup will be the official sponsored name, but we generally don't include sponsor names in article titles. Four Nations Football Tournament is what its referred to in the announcement. Rdd (talk) 19:43, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like the bloody organisers can't make their stupid minds up! Damn them! – PeeJay 22:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Methinks Jmorrison230582 may have been rather precipitate in moving the article to Nations Cup (football) without any discussion.  As a teacher, I have been almost pathetically pleased to see the correct use of an apostrophe in the earlier branding of 4 Associations' Cup/tournament: maybe an official logo will make clear whether it has survived the addition of a sponsor's name.  The press releases yesterday seem to have been inconsistent in whether four has survived in the official, as opposed to the sponsored, title.  Kevin McE (talk) 08:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tournament name? 

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message: Concerning the title 4 Associations rather than Four Associations a quick google search shows that Four Associations is used by the FAW  the BBC  while 4 Associations is used by the FAI  and the SFA . It makes me wonder if we current have it at the right name though there doesn't seem to be a consensus even amongst those taking part exactly how it should be written. Is there any evidence that "4 associations" is the common name? It's not a hugely urgent issue, but I was just wondering. Lord C (talk) 15:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting question. "4" seems to be the majority view based on what you say above. Is there a "Four Associations Tournament" page pointing to this one? Mooretwin (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 4 Associations/Four Associations

message: This info is relevant and worth a mention but to say that the 4AT is "effectively a successor" to it is false and misleading. I'm removing it. I'll replace it with the facts, i.e. that there was a Home Nations Championship and that it is an entirely different competition. Fionnsci (talk) 11:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems reasonable. Mooretwin (talk) 12:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Home Nations Championship 

message: Is there a source showing that these names for the tournament are in use in those languages, or is it simply a case of having translated "Nations Cup" into Scots or the relevant Celtic language.  If it is the latter, is that not OR?  Kevin McE (talk) 06:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 10 days after leaving this query, during which time no attempt was made at justification of the translations as being in use, and after it became evident that a different title is in use at cy.wiki, I removed the translations.  They have now been restored by the editor who originally posted them, with some changes, but still no evidence that these titles are in use, and still contradicting cy.wiki.  Evidence is needed that these titles are in use, and not merely translations.  Kevin McE (talk) 11:02, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Still no evidence offered that these titles are in use: in the absence of that, I can only assume that it is OR, so deleting again. Kevin McE (talk) 18:09, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, it seems like OR. Presumably there will be official translations when (and if) the tournament actually takes place. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 18:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native languages 

message: I have removed this content because I don't believe it is any way relevant to the new tournament. It may have been suggested by the Breton association but there is nothing to suggest that it was a serious proposal, given that Brittany is not a full international team. The genesis of the current tournament is the proposal by Lawrie Sanchez in 2006 and the background is the traditional British Home Championship. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is very relevant to claims for a "Celtic Nations Cup". I hope you appreciate that just because you may have never heard of it is not enough to rule it out. It's not a matter of "new tournament" or not since it's history in the first place anyway and it would be far too easy to put history in separate boxes.  The claims have existed since the 80s and there were exchanges of correspondence and meetings between the Brittany association, which is not a sovereign one, and the FA of Wales (Alun Evans), the Scottish FA (Ernie Walker) and the FA of Ireland (Peadar O'Driscoll). The Brittany secretary (Fanch Gaume) is still in charge, the Brittany claim is still there and they have French FA clearance to play some friendly games, hence their recent record. Medias like "The Glasgow Herald", "France Football", "Ouest France" and "Don Balon" (among others) talked about the project at the time. The Scottish FA did not need the tournament at the time since it had opted out of the British Championships and preferred to go its way with England. The article in The Herald at the time was explicit about it. Just because it did not materialise did not mean the offer never existed. The position of the Football Association having changed, the SFA has now found the "Celtic way" of interest, twenty years later. It notably took a loss of political, sporting (no more World Cup and Euro finals) and economical powers to do so. It was an offer which would have been materialised had the SFA wanted it and the Bretons been a bit more advanced. You can see it was not only about a national manager "having an idea"…  I shall come back on that, with clear cut references. It will also be on the French language page. Regards. Schlesiermann (talk) 16:48, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that one of the titles by which this new event has been known is the "Celtic Cup", I think reference to a previously proposed Celtic Cup is highly relevant.  It needs to be clear that this is not the Breton plan re-animated, but equally, it is not a resurrection of the Home Nations, and that is considered relevant.  However, given that the Breton initiative was never realised, and the brevity of the article, the length of the quote was probably disproportionate.  Kevin McE (talk) 18:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It might deserve a sentence in the article. It really belongs in a "History/Origins section" which doesn't yet exist. Perhaps if the tournament becomes established as a regular feature it might somehow seem more relevant. I suspect that Sancez was probably unaware of the Breton proposal when he suggested the tournament. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I say remove reference to this far-fetched and obscure suggestion, which could never have become reality as Britanny is not a member of UEFA. Mooretwin (talk) 23:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brittany suggestion in the 1980s 

message: I contributed a small update with regard to the tense of the article (initial match, Wales vs Republic of Ireland, has now taken place), however I forgot to close the reference tag. For some reason the article won't save now when I try to edit it. Can someone else maybe fix this for me? I also noticed there doesn't seem to be a template for the Northern Irish national side. Maybe someone could write one for the article too, as it looks a bit strange having "X national football team" for the other teams but "Association Football in" for Northern Ireland.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.130.116 (talk) 04:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Close tags please