Talk:Nausea (novel)

message: Sartre was neither the first nor only person to decline the Nobel Peace prize. The first individual to decline the award, whether under coercion or not, was Boris Pasternak.
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By reason of ignorance or momentarily abscent-mindedness, you are stating that Jean-Paul Sartre has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. This does not promote your argumentation as Sartre never was awarded anything from the Nobel Institute but its prize for literature.
Now, I hope I have, in a swell way, showed the relevance of both the semntences itself, and its inaccuracies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.212.119.52 (talk) 17:59, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nobel Prize inaccuracies

message: Does this really still qualify as a stub?
--Isis 23:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub?

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 07:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Is there actually any indication in the novel that Anny is English? I always assumed she was French as she refers to the copy of Michelet's History which she had when she was a child.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.188.244.52 (talk) 10:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On page 60ff of the ND American edition, she is described as still buying her stationery at Piccadilly, and is generally made to sound English. William P. Coleman (talk) 21:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anny 

message: I wasn't sure where people are keeping their notes for the collaboration, since I'm new to it.  But I assumed here.  I just found out about the collaboration, so I started reading the book.  I'm reading it out loud to someone, and, at 18 pages per night, I estimate we'll finish in 10 days.  I'll try to do some other research in parallel.
The stub lacks See also, References, Further reading, and External links.  
I'm especially concerned about the Psychological section at the end.  Without having researched yet, but with some familiarity in the past with existentialism and with Sartre's work, I'd guess that it would destroy the point of the book to imagine that the main character's problem is simply depression or mental illness.  I'd think rather that Sartre imagines that Roquentin's problems arise in man's inherent existential condition, and I would guess that his seemingly special circumstances (returning from travel, reclusiveness), rather than just indicating depression, are supposed to induce in him (and in the reader) a state that makes one more receptive to noticing an existential situation that everyone has, but may not be sensitive enough to allow to become noticeable.  (Incidentally, I would guess similar things about Dostoevsky and about Rilke.  Some of Dostoevsky's characters may be crazy, but their problems and responses are imagined to be universal, and not particular to their neuroses.)  These are personal conjectures on my part, and I'd like to find some published critical opinion.
William P. Coleman (talk) 05:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to gently repeat my unease about this. As with my other disagreement below, it's perhaps largely a matter of wording, rather than substance. I'd like to avoid allowing a reader to go away with what I feel would be a misinterpretation: that Roquentin's problems are merely a result of personal insanity, without larger significance. Rather, the New York Review article now cited suggests that the characters in the novels it mentions are victims of larger ideological, social, and existential forces that "have brought them to the brink of insanity." He says that Roquentin "undergoes a strange metaphysical experience that estranges him from the world." I think that Sartre's point in Nausea is to comment on our universal reaction to these common external problems, rather than solely on the delusions of a single individual. So, I would appreciate it if we could find wording with a better balance about this. William P. Coleman (talk) 15:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved that paragraph to a section discussing Nausea within the history of the psychological novel. William P. Coleman (talk) 17:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A First Look

message: Come on guys where are these. This article needs more material less than it drastically needs sourcing. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References & Footnotes

message: I have removed the  tag. It is untrue that the section "is just a bunch of quotes. with no context written."  It has section headings that correspond fairly closely to discussions in the rest of the article.
The format of that section is to list the themes of the novel. I chose to do so by presenting direct quotations so that the section headings provided would economically assist readers in relating the fictional incidents and descriptions in the novel to the abstract philosophy that Sartre was thinking of and that are discussed extensively in the remainder of the article.
I felt (and still feel) that further text on our part (beyond perhaps a brief explanation at the beginning) would only be verbose and redundant of the rest of the article.  We want to enable people to navigate this difficult philosophy easily, rather than bogging them down.
Meanwhile the generic warning in the  box inadvertently but strongly raises the possibility that Sartre's own "grammar, style, cohesion, tone or spelling" are substandard -- which is upsetting.
The tag leaves a message on the article page and not on the talk page.  It is probably not what the WP:DYN editors (who admired the article and thought it should be submitted for WP:GA) and admins hoped that the visitors they were sending from the WP front page would see.  
The message is not what I hoped to see when I asked for help.
If anyone disagrees with my writing or editorial decisions (which is always a very reasonable possibility) then the way to do it is to appear personally on the talk page and explain/discuss.  I'm not usually unaccommodating. (I have thirty years of experience doing scientific work that involves collaboration and consensus with a team of experts.) William P. Coleman (talk) 15:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The quotes are too long- they need to be very brief, long quotes are discouraged.  As to 'sartre's own grammar' being wrong, of course no-one's saying that.  But it was copied here in error, I had to check with the original a sentence that was obviously ungrammatical, find it wasn't true to the original, and add a comma. Merkinsmum 13:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit tag

message: Thanks to Ms2ger for extensive technical changes and an addition.  I had no idea how to do those things and am grateful to learn. William P. Coleman (talk) 15:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks

message: Perhaps someone could discuss the striking similarities found between Sartre's Roquentin and J.D. Salinger's Holden Caulfield. Although they differ in age, they tend to see the world in a wholly existentialist fashion. Seeking pleasure and discovering pain, these fictional characters truly put the perceived purposelessness of life to the test. FitzColinGerald (talk) 12:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Antoine Roquentin v. Holden Caulfield

message: This article contains numerous citations that come before rather than after the material being cited. Sometimes it's easily fixed, but sometimes it's impossible to tell where the specifically sourced material ends. (Which is why it shouldn't be done this way -- for more, on quick search i found WP:INTEGRITY.) Ideally this should be fixed by the person who added the text/citations. "alyosha" (talk) 17:22, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagged re "unclear citation style" 

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message: I did a general revision of the article, and had issues with a few passages.
First and foremost, is the mention of Jean-Paul Sartre's refusal of the Nobel Prize relevant at all in an article concerning that particular novel, especially in the introduction ? It's definitely relevant in the author's general article, but here I don't think so, as he was not awarded said prize for that novel; the Nobel Prize of litterature generally rewards a whole body of work, rather than a particular book.
Then, this sentence :
“Unemployed, living in deprived conditions, lacking human contact, being trapped in fantasies about the 18th century secret agent he is writing the book about, shows Sartre's oeuvre as a follow-up of Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment and Rilke's The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge in search of the precise description of schizophrenia.”
The syntax seems corrupt. I changed it as :
“Unemployed, living in deprived conditions, lacking human contact, being trapped in fantasies about the 18th century secret agent he is writing a book about, he establishes Sartre's oeuvre as a follow-up to Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment, or Rilke's The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge in search of a precise description of schizophrenia.”
But, english not being my first language, I'm not sure if it's perfectly correct.
Then there's this quotation:
“Language proves to be a fragile barrier between Roquentin and the external world, failing to refer to objects and thus place them in a scheme of meaning. Once language collapses it becomes evident that words also give a measure of control and superiority to the speaker by keeping the world at bay; when they fail in this function, Roquentin is instantly vulnerable, unprotected.”
Again, the syntax seems odd: it should be either “placing them” or “places them”. I don't have access to the source so I can't verify.
--Abolibibelot (talk) 14:02, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of the Nobel Prize refusal statement ?