Talk:Semu

message: The original article, i.e. Semur is a bit ridiculous: nowhere other than Wikipedia does it indicate that the Chinese term could be transliterated as "Semur", i.e. with a final "-r" affixed to "Semu". — Preceding unsigned comment added by  Bestlyriccollection  (talk • contribs)  07:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Semur

message: HuiHui in Mongol times referred to Jews, Muslims, Christians, and Gypsies.
http://books.google.com/books?id=YJibpHfnw94C&pg=PA88&dq=Green+eyes+huihui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3NsfU5TBN6Xq0QGZuoDwAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Green%20eyes%20huihui&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=GSA_AaRdgioC&pg=PA136&dq=Green+eyes+huihui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3NsfU5TBN6Xq0QGZuoDwAg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Green%20eyes%20huihui&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=hCJNQPszu5sC&pg=PA190&dq=Green+eyes+huihui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3NsfU5TBN6Xq0QGZuoDwAg&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Green%20eyes%20huihui&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=K4MtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA71&dq=Luoli+huihui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=E90fU5_xKqm80gGnyYDoCw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Luoli%20huihui&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=TIx-AAAAMAAJ&q=No+sound+objection+can+be+based+on+the+significance+of+the+term+a+Green-eyed+Hui-hui+»,+used+in+the+second+half+of+the+14th+cent,+in+reference+to+the+Asut+by+the+author+of+the+KSng-shen+wai-shih+(cf.+supra).+Although+«+Hui-hui+»,+technically+...&dq=No+sound+objection+can+be+based+on+the+significance+of+the+term+a+Green-eyed+Hui-hui+»,+used+in+the+second+half+of+the+14th+cent,+in+reference+to+the+Asut+by+the+author+of+the+KSng-shen+wai-shih+(cf.+supra).+Although+«+Hui-hui+»,+technically+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tt0fU-aOEIrC0AHB1YHQBA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=mY2BAAAAMAAJ&q=For+instance,+the+term+%22Huihui+with+Green+Eyes%22+(Lüjing+huihui+0111)+stood+for+the+Caucasian+people,+%22Luoli+huihui%22+jHÄ%7CÜlH%5D+was+the+name+of+the+gypsies,+transcribed+from+the+Persian+lüri+for+gypsies+from+the+Multan+area.4+%22Zhuhu+Huihui%22+was+...&dq=For+instance,+the+term+%22Huihui+with+Green+Eyes%22+(Lüjing+huihui+0111)+stood+for+the+Caucasian+people,+%22Luoli+huihui%22+jHÄ%7CÜlH%5D+was+the+name+of+the+gypsies,+transcribed+from+the+Persian+lüri+for+gypsies+from+the+Multan+area.4+%22Zhuhu+Huihui%22+was+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=i90fU-z_IePf0gGIvIHwDQ&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA
Jews
http://books.google.com/books?id=GSA_AaRdgioC&pg=PA135&dq=Zhuhu+HuiHui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qN0fU_jhFsP10gHbkoCwAQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Zhuhu%20HuiHui&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=YJibpHfnw94C&pg=PA87&dq=Zhuhu+HuiHui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qN0fU_jhFsP10gHbkoCwAQ&ved=0CDUQ6wEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Zhuhu%20HuiHui&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=_j0wAQAAIAAJ&q=Zhuhu+HuiHui&dq=Zhuhu+HuiHui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qN0fU_jhFsP10gHbkoCwAQ&ved=0CDoQ6wEwAg
http://books.google.com/books?id=hCJNQPszu5sC&pg=PA140&dq=Zhuhu+HuiHui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qN0fU_jhFsP10gHbkoCwAQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Zhuhu%20HuiHui&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=laQwAQAAIAAJ&q=Zhuhu+HuiHui&dq=Zhuhu+HuiHui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qN0fU_jhFsP10gHbkoCwAQ&ved=0CEYQ6wEwBQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=V4SmEW0WXCwC&pg=PA34&dq=Zhuhu+HuiHui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qN0fU_jhFsP10gHbkoCwAQ&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Zhuhu%20HuiHui&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=p6VtAAAAMAAJ&q=Zhuhu+HuiHui&dq=Zhuhu+HuiHui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qN0fU_jhFsP10gHbkoCwAQ&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=o6FtAAAAMAAJ&q=Zhuhu+HuiHui&dq=Zhuhu+HuiHui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qN0fU_jhFsP10gHbkoCwAQ&ved=0CFoQ6AEwCQ
Rajmaan (talk) 20:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Semu categories

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=RV6WqcAY3zwC&pg=PA88#v=onepage&q&f=false
04:26, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semu and Qincha Hui intermarriage with Han during the Ming dynasty 

message: Semu men would marry Korean women.
http://books.google.com/books?id=PDjWpqU55eMC&pg=PA315&dq=For+intermarriage+between+semuren+men+(including+those+of+Turkic,+Uyghur,+and+Indian+descent)+and+Korean+women,+see+Ma+Juan,+%22Yuandai+semu+Gaoli+tonghun+juli.%22+182.+Quan+Heng+and+Ren+Chongyue,+Gengshen+waishi+jian%5Eheng,+p.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=suEfU-DtOKXf0gG9yYFo&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=For%20intermarriage%20between%20semuren%20men%20(including%20those%20of%20Turkic%2C%20Uyghur%2C%20and%20Indian%20descent)%20and%20Korean%20women%2C%20see%20Ma%20Juan%2C%20%22Yuandai%20semu%20Gaoli%20tonghun%20juli.%22%20182.%20Quan%20Heng%20and%20Ren%20Chongyue%2C%20Gengshen%20waishi%20jian%5Eheng%2C%20p.&f=false
A rich merchant from the Ma'bar Sultanate, Abu Ali, was associated closely with the Ma'bar royal family. After falling out with them, he fled to Yuan dynasty China and was granted an official job and a Korean woman as his wife by the Mongol Emperor.
http://books.google.com/books?id=GSA_AaRdgioC&pg=PA138#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/41649921?uid=3739832&uid=2460338175&uid=2460337935&uid=2&uid=4&uid=83&uid=63&uid=3739256&sid=21103639240407
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http://www2.ihp.sinica.edu.tw/file/1445ZBWAkRi.pdf
Koreans were included along with Northern Chinese, Khitan and Jurchen in the third class, as "Han ren".
http://books.google.com/books?id=SQWW7QgUH4gC&pg=PA490&dq=thereby+including+not+only+the+Chinese+who+lived+there+but+also+the+rather+substantial+numbers+of+Khitans+and+Jurchens,+even+Koreans.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nt4fU9udOubL0QHW6oDYAQ&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=thereby%20including%20not%20only%20the%20Chinese%20who%20lived%20there%20but%20also%20the%20rather%20substantial%20numbers%20of%20Khitans%20and%20Jurchens%2C%20even%20Koreans.&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ePBeFRJnE_gC&pg=PA257&dq=of+the+northern+Chinese+territories+of+the+former+Jin+dynasty,+including+Chinese,+Khitan,+Jurchen,+and+Koreans&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MOEfU5bcIIbp0QHq04Bw&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=of%20the%20northern%20Chinese%20territories%20of%20the%20former%20Jin%20dynasty%2C%20including%20Chinese%2C%20Khitan%2C%20Jurchen%2C%20and%20Koreans&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=VIWC9wCX2c8C&pg=PA257&dq=of+the+northern+Chinese+territories+of+the+former+Jin+dynasty,+including+Chinese,+Khitan,+Jurchen,+and+Koreans&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MOEfU5bcIIbp0QHq04Bw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=of%20the%20northern%20Chinese%20territories%20of%20the%20former%20Jin%20dynasty%2C%20including%20Chinese%2C%20Khitan%2C%20Jurchen%2C%20and%20Koreans&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=hCJNQPszu5sC&pg=PA189&dq=The+third+class+was+%22Han%22+including+Han+Chinese+that+lived+in+Northern+China,+Kitan+(Liao+H),+Niizhen+iz+M+(Jin+it),+Koreans,+and+four+other+minorities+who+lived+north+of+Huaihe+River+in+the+Jin+territory.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XeIfU87OCcqk0gG41YCwCQ&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20third%20class%20was%20%22Han%22%20including%20Han%20Chinese%20that%20lived%20in%20Northern%20China%2C%20Kitan%20(Liao%20H)%2C%20Niizhen%20iz%20M%20(Jin%20it)%2C%20Koreans%2C%20and%20four%20other%20minorities%20who%20lived%20north%20of%20Huaihe%20River%20in%20the%20Jin%20territory.&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=1QZ-FNbV-NUC&pg=PA50&dq=candidates+from+koryŏ+took+the+examination+with+the+han+and+Jurchens.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IuIfU_-ZJJDE0AGa_IDYAQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=candidates%20from%20koryŏ%20took%20the%20examination%20with%20the%20han%20and%20Jurchens.&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=XnIIbzweN7IC&pg=PA24&dq=Koreans+were+placed+in+the+third+social+rank+as+they+were+classified+as+%22Hanren%22+in+the+Yuan+dynasty,+together+with+the+Han+Chinese,+the+Jiirgens,+and+the+Khitans+that+were+conquered+earlier+in+northern+and+southwestern+China.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qOMfU6O4Oaji0QGLu4HYDg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Koreans%20were%20placed%20in%20the%20third%20social%20rank%20as%20they%20were%20classified%20as%20%22Hanren%22%20in%20the%20Yuan%20dynasty%2C%20together%20with%20the%20Han%20Chinese%2C%20the%20Jiirgens%2C%20and%20the%20Khitans%20that%20were%20conquered%20earlier%20in%20northern%20and%20southwestern%20China.&f=false
http://www.academia.edu/7542628/The_Semu_ren_in_the_Yuan_Empire_-_who_were_they
http://books.google.com/books?id=sNpD5UKmkswC&pg=PA247#v=onepage&q&f=false
04:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semu marriage to Korean women 

message: While the Mongols moved Central Asians to become Semu in China and serve as administrators, they did the same thing in reverse in Central Asia, sending Chinese over to administer Bukhara.
SINO-KHITAN ADMINISTRATION IN MONGOL BUKHARA
PAUL D. BUELL
page 137
http://www.jstor.org/stable/41930343?seq=17
Chinese, Persian, and Uyghur Darugha in the Mongol Empire
http://books.google.com/books?id=DpeQhJ3hcwsC&pg=PA16&dq=darugha&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2F_kU829NazMsQSvyILYDg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=darugha&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 04:07, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Mongols used Chinese to rule Bukhara (in Central Asia) for the same reason they used Central Asian Semus in ruling China 

message: Some Japanese historians deny that the idea of Semu people existed as a legal classification under Mongol rule, noting that it appears nowhere in Mongol sources and in Chinese sources the information does not indicate them as a separate priveleged caste.
http://www.academia.edu/2439642/The_Image_of_the_Semu_People_Mongols_Chinese_and_Various_Other_Peoples_under_the_Mongol_Empire
http://www.jstor.org/stable/2719056?seq=21
http://ir.sinica.edu.tw/handle/201000000A/4105
Rajmaan (talk) 07:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: If semu's are intelectuals why dont cite no one?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brosonildo (talk • contribs) 05:30, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  intellectuals who?