Talk:Isis (band)

message: By my estimation, Isis are pretty much in line with the characteristics of doom metal. I've refrained from editing the article in case anyone disagrees with this, however. Cassandra Leo 08:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: While their music shares a lot of common characteristics with doom metal, you have to consider the fact that doom is (generally) either: a) sludgy stoner rock, or b) horribly downtrodden depression metal, and the term 'doom metal' rarely refers to anything else. I wouldn't categorize any Isis song as stoner rock (even if the case could be made that some of the earlier material sounds that way) nor horribly downtrodden depression metal (as I wouldn't call any of their songs particularly sad-sounding; epic, yes, but not sadly so), and thus, I do disagree with the doom metal category, as it relates Isis to associated stigmata that are (in my opinion) unfitting. Seasonsinthesky 22:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I have to agree here - 'doom' refers to something much darker than Isis. One of the most fantastic things about Isis is their/its nebulous nature - even Aaron finds it difficult to pin point them. However, I do think it appropriate to give the doom genre a passing mention, as there are clear elements of it in some of the music, moreso the earlier work. Any mention, that said, should make it clear that doom is not the be-all and end-all of classifying Isis. Seegoon 13:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the mention under the Genre heading. Feel free to edit it, as I feel kind of iffy about how I worded it. Seasonsinthesky 14:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Even if it's accurately descriptive, we can't just claim Isis are a genre you made up. I know you probably weren't intending it to sound like you know what Isis are and no one else does, but at the same time, all the genres and descriptors already mentioned about the band in the article were sourced from either people who have some sense of authority on the subject, common opinion (especially post-metal), or the band themselves. We have to keep things as "official" in that sense as we can, for the sake of accuracy and accountability. Maybe you can mention their soundscaping in the descriptors, since it is definitely an element that isn't explicitely mentioned here yet. Seasonsinthesky 22:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization 

message: I added a relatively accurate band infobox. Feel free to change the picture; I chose that one because it's from the Panopticon session and relays the band's enigmatic presence beneath their music. Make sure you use an image from the official press area and keep it sized at 300px in the infobox, since it looks pro this way. Also feel free to edit or change the Boston link; I put it there because they were in Boston from 1997 through to 2003, but perhaps an LA link would also suit this section, as that's where they are now. Seasonsinthesky 14:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Band Infobox

message: Is it usual Wikipedia practice to emphasise every mention of the band name? I thought it was usually limited to just the first instance.
:Fixed. 142.227.235.193 17:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Style

message: For one - I don't know if I've presented the video in a Wikipediaic style. Also, does anyone think it should be removed for insignificance? I think it's pretty important, and with the pending release of a DVD, the section may begin to grow. Seegoon 20:20, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videography 

message: There was an all-female, lesbian rock band called Isis in the 1970s.
This is more or less useless information. Sorry, didn't mean to sound like an ass, but you can go to www.discogs.com, do a search for Isis, and note the 12 entries you find. This band is number 6 in the list! Needless to say, the name has been used extensively. If you find the 1970s band is a popular search, I suggest adding it to the Isis disambiguation page if you haven't already.142.68.85.77 01:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The other Isis 

message: Does anyone have an exact date for Isis playing for WMBR in March 2001? I'd ask this over at Live.04 but nobody seems to be there. I'm going to research the rest of the tour dates on that particular album. 72.49.242.131 05:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems likely we may never know the exact date the WMBR recording was done, as even the liner notes only say its year (not month and year like the rest). Seasonsinthesky 04:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live 4 exact dates 

message: If anyone can get a good scan of the covers of Live 1 through 4, that would be fantastic. I did up some mock covers based on the sgnl05.com artwork blips for the first two, but I have no idea what the other two Live records look like. Any help is appreciated. Seasonsinthesky 16:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live series covers 

message: This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of November 25, 2006, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: Fail. The prose is a bit awkward at times, with weasel words and colloquialisms such as "chilled-out." Note that putting a term in quotation marks does not justify its usage in an encyclopedia. The analysis of their music in specific needs work.
:2. Factually accurate?: Fail. It seems accurate, but a lot of it seems like OR and needs to be referenced.
:3. Broad in coverage?: Pass. Definitely an informative article.
:4. Neutral point of view?: Weak pass. "Their sound has influenced that of many contemporaries" and other such phrases have to go. I find it hard to believe that such a modern band has influenced "many" other groups.
:5. Article stability? Weak pass. It would seem that there have been quite a few edits recently, but I wouldn't fail the article on account of this, seeing as they are mostly minor edits.
:6. Images?: Fail. Each image needs fair use rationale for its use in the article, per Wikipedia:Image_description_page#Fair_use_rationale.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration.  Thanks for your work so far. 
-- Cielomobile talk / contribs 23:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: If anyone could dig up some reputable external links regarding the themes Isis addresses in its music, I'd be eternally grateful. Seegoon 01:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The last paragraph in this section will need inline citations. LuciferMorgan 20:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know - that's why I need to know if anyone has any source material. If not, it'll have to go fairly soon as OR. Seegoon 15:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Themes 

message: Isis (1972 - 1977). My real problem is, that I do not know how to disambiguate the disambiguation-page...--84.56.112.72 16:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Create Isis (female band) or Isis (R&B band) or whatever you want to name it - to do this, simply click one of the redlinks, edit away, and save. Simple. To alter the disambiguation page, simply go to Isis (disambiguation) and edit that, providing a link to your new page; disambiguation pages are not computer generated, they require editing just like any other. Once you've made the other band's page, you might want to add a  template to the top of this band's article. Seegoon 20:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isis - all-woman band  

message: A friend of mine recently told me that many Isis fans are also Opeth fans (which is how he heard of the band), but before that I had thought I was the only one who recognized a certain pattern the two bands share. Both bands start off in a certain genre, but within the confines of that genre they create their own unique sound, which they then begin to expand on over time. both bands mix growling vocals with clean vocals, with a gradual shift towards more clean vocals than growling. if it wasn't 5:15am I could probably think of more. 72.49.117.53 10:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be true, but anything like that needs referencing from a reputable website before it can be added. Fans of Isis tend to like Endtroducing era DJ Shadow; why, I don't know. Anyway, the point is, as true as it may be, without an article on it somewhere, it counts as OR so is therefore not elegible for inclusion. Which is harsh but fair. Seegoon 14:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison with Opeth 

message: * references, [17][7] should be [7][17]
**Done.
* last section of history is too short, and it states 'currently' it won't be current in a few years
**Changed to "as of December 2006".
* Instead saying 1998 (see 1998 in music) just link 1998 to 1998 in music 1998?
**I think WP:MUSIC says different, for whatever reason.
* Isis released a demo and their first, i think this section can be broken into a new paragraph, also no need for the (1999) in brackets
**I'll address this soon.
* where they were joined by Randy Larsen of Cable on guitar, Mereschuk left the band, choppy i suggest "Mereschuk left the band in 1999, and was soon replaced by Jay...
**And this.
* As one reviewer noted:, who? say (as an example) bob from Rolling Stone said the album was
**OK, the only issue here is whether the reviewer is notable. For printed sources, they would be, but most online reviews wouldn't warrant the reviewer's name being included in the article.
* Chris Mereschuk (electronics/vocals) i think electronics should be wikilinked to electronics in music (if there is one)
**I've had a look around and I don't think there's anything specific enough to link to.
* those bands laid the groundwork for us [...] we're part of a recognizable lineage. [...] should be replaced with a comma
**Well no, because I've paraphrased him here and edited out unnecessary words. In reputable essays and so on, this is the usual style. If Wikipedia tends to do it differently, I'll change it.
* blah blah blah.'" has a ' and "
**Here, the ' is a part of his speech, almost "bunny-earsing" what he's saying. The " is necessary too, to show that the quote's finished. It's complicated but grammatically/syntactically/punctuationally correct, whatever the word is.
* Turner has before now complained that, before and now :O?
**You've lost me here.
* creating stub articles on the band members will increase the bands notability to other readers
**Yeah, good point. But there's an incredibly minimal amount of information available on these guys. I don't think they're popular enough, to be fair. Maybe Turner... I'll bear it in mind...
* Videography, is it necessary? I'm sure the DVD can be merge into the body and the other point has an external link
**Maybe not, but that would be culling information for no really good reason. And if it was gone, there'd be a necessity for it eventually.
* References 14 and 23 need a retrieved date
**Good point, I'll just use today's.
I hope i helped. Btw click on the wikiproject heavy metal and add your self to participants! M3tal H3ad 01:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input. Seegoon 19:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Few minor suggestions

message: This tells us that Panopticon won 2004's record of the year in Rock Sound. Need a citation - does anyone have a copy of this issue? Seegoon 16:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm pretty sure that I have that one, I'll have a look now. Vicissitudo (talk) 13:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, I have an issue from early 2003 that has the results of Rock Sounds top 50 albums of 2002 and Oceanic was number 1. Is that worthy of a mention? Vicissitudo (talk) 13:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Panopticon'' in ''Rock Sound'' 

message: All the following text was in the Themes section, some of it by myself, some of it not, but with thought it's obvious that it's not appropriate for Wikipedia:
There is one intellectual leap that can be made regarding the logic behind these motifs, something which gives an explanation for them and ties them together. Isis, the band's namesake, is the archetypal mother goddess; notably one which originated around the Nile delta in Egypt. This gives a viable reasoning to both the powerful, potentially malevolent female as well as the largely negative connotations of water. Using slightly more tenuous conjecture, it can also be posited that the tower and mosquito themes are also related to this mother goddess. A goddess is likely to be omniscient; this explains the theme of surveillance, and of being observed from above. Mosquitos are common in Egypt, and represent harbingers of death via Malaria.
It is rumoured that Isis are planning an adaptation of Charlotte's Web set in a universe that is "Somewhere between Terry Brooks and H.P. Lovecraft", touching mainly on themes of love, loss, transgender romance, isolation, mosquitoes, the tower, femininity, and man's search for a post-Neanderthal construct.  This syncretic work is meant to interpolate the distance between man's meaningless wandering in the desert and the unkind supervision of the powerful omniscient.  The lead character is said to be a hypothetical Neolithic deity who is presented with the task of fulfilling a list of labors, such as filling the ocean with mosquitoes, and building a Panoptic tower full of captive women.
If sources can be dug up, the pertinent sections can be returned. Til then, here it must remain. Seegoon 01:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

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message: This is from a Feral Pig blog post, and could be implemented at some time soon. If anyone can be arsed.
This:
:ISIS - we have been steadily whacking away at songs for the next album. in october of last year we started toying with a few bits and pieces we had lying around, and continued to do so through parts of november and december. however, the floodgates seemed unwilling to truly open until we reconvened in january after our holiday excursions/adventures. since then we've managed to complete the skeletons of 4 songs, and it seems things are finally starting to take shape. i'm not sure how to assess our work so far, but things are certainly moving at the moment. we're going to keep our heads down for the time being and keep chiseling away til we feel we've accumulated a satisfactory amount of material before we even consider going into the studio. in the meantime we're working on correcting the recently recalled "holy tears" single as well as the companion single for "not in rivers, but in drops", amongst other things....
And...
:as some of you may already know, the ISIS "holy tears" single that was scheduled to come out today, has been cancelled. we discovered at the last minute that the first song on the finished version of the single was the wrong song. what should've been "holy tears" was actually "wrists of kings". now while we like both songs, we figured we couldn't very well release a "holy tears" single with out that particular song being on the damn disc. oh well - it'll still come out, we're just not sure when.
There's also a bunch of stuff regarding the Shades of the Swarm box set.
Seegoon (talk) 10:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  News 

message: Until the final tour date in June, they are still a band. The Phantomnaut (talk) 03:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hasn't broken up yet 

message: "Post-" is a prefix, a common one at that.
80.179.13.34 (talk) 09:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  a portmanteau  of "post-rock" and "metal" 

message: Sources either culled from the article, or unused; simply farmed here to avoid being cast into purgatory.
*ALARM interview with Harris
*Terrorizer interview with Turner
*
*
Seegoon (talk) 14:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Removed: 
*Mosquito Control introduces the first major theme, the mosquito, as well as control towers (see cover of reissue).
*The Red Sea offers the first glimpses of both the water and female character themes.
*Celestial and SGNL>05 reintroduce the control towers and female character, as well as the mosquito through the artwork.
*Oceanic reintroduces the water and female themes through a specific story.
*Panopticon reintroduces the tower implicitly (see panopticon).
*In the Absence of Truth introduces the theme of Hassan I Sabbah and has many references to it in the song lyrics and song titles.
Seegoon (talk) 16:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

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message: I have found two sources that describe them as progressive metal. I don't think it's enough to add to the infobox, but would these be good enough for inclusion in the article in style?  [chicagoreader.com/chicago/liquid-metal/Content?oid=925630] (dunno why that second link isn't truncating but oh well) dannymusiceditor  oops  00:13, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Went ahead and added it, on second thought, since it looks like this talk page is deserted. dannymusiceditor  oops  16:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Progressive metal]]