Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Argentina task force

message: Firstly great work, and a big well done to King of the North East, for getting the project up and running.
Just thought it best to mention here that I have made a start on gradully working through cleaning up each club article. So far I have only got through Argentinos Juniors and Arsenal; and I am part way through Banfield. Using List of football clubs in Argentina as my point of reference. Just doing very basic stuff like correcting wiki links from re-directs, spelling and grammar and so on. I will make mistakes (I already have done!) so if you see any please correct them. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 21:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Continuing with your work I started translating from es:WP missing Banfield players and will eventually do the rest of the teams to at least have a stub if not better, for every possible player we can find info on. If you create a new article for any of them, don't forget to add them to the top of the list in Wikipedia:Argentina-related regional notice board so other editors will see and maybe come on board. -- Alexf(t/c) 22:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Club articles

message: This is a very nice logo , maybe someone could make something similar with the map of Argentina.King of the North East 23:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo

message: I believe that while assessing the importance of articles in WP:ArF, we should adopt slightly different criteria than WP:Football for evaluating articles. There are several reasons for this, the main one being that there are virtually no predominantly lower league players to put in the Low importance category. I think we should use it for undecorated and fringe players in the Primera for now to allow us to differentiate between successful title winning players needing work and the less successful ones of lesser notablility. These are the outline evaluation criteria I think we should use.
Players & Managers
Decorated meaning League, Full international club  tournament and senior national team tournament winner
*Low = Undecorated players & managers (example Sergio Romero)
*Mid = Decorated players & managers, international footballers, league topscorers, top 10 appearances/goalscorer for primera division club, Primera club captains, that kind of thing. (example Rodrigo Palacio)
*High = High achiever: World Cup Final players & Managers (match not tournament), multiple top flight top scorers and top flight title holders, "high importance" club record holders, league record holders. (example Daniel Passarella)
Clubs
*Low = mainly non-professional club history  (example Cruz del Sur)
*Mid = mainly professional clubs or seasons spent in top two leagues (example Textil Mandiyú)
*High = International club champions, Copa Libertadores, CONMEBOL, Sudamericana (example Independiente)
Any comments?King of the North East 11:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, as you are using the  template, any assessments should match the criteria set out by WP:Football.  Assessments will show up both here and in WP:Football so they should be consistent.  The alternative is to use your own assessment template but I'd suggest you stick with the WPF one. Also, it allows expansion when you do get round to adding non-Primera players.Paulbrock 12:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Although your ideas on this subject are very good, I tend to agree here with Paulbrock that we should maintain consistency with WP:Football as much as possible. -- Alexf(t/c) 12:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, as the WP:Football template is being used and the assessements appear on there too then there needs to be consistency between the two. And I agree we should use the WP:Football template and stick to their criteria. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 15:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: I am working on Gimnasia LP current roster before I can attempt to make a decent current squad template (which I could not find). I ported the current squad from es:WP that differed greatly with en:WP. It is now a mix of both and I am trying to do two things:
*ascertain who is in and who is out (and where they have moved to)
*create pages for missing players as much as possible with the information at hand, at least entry-level stubs if not better.
Any help would be appreciated. -- Alexf(t/c) 13:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata current squad 

message: Dear all,
I would like to have articles for every Argentine footballer who took part of a World Cup squad.
Template:Argentina Squad 2006 World Cup
Red links no more!
Best, Mxcatania 13:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request 

message: Argentina has two flags: the plain triband and the one with the Sun of May. The first one is said to be used to represent Argentina from 1900-1985 and the current flag () is being used from 1986 on. Isn't it? Mxcatania 13:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: does it matter for football purposes? -- Alexf(t/c) 12:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since other national football teams take into account this issue, I think we should apply the right usage of flags for La Selección-related articles. Mxcatania 17:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of Argentine alternative flag 

message: Hi,
I was wondering whether anyone would support the creation of a weekly Argentine football article for improvement drive. I'm not sure how we should select them, maybe with a vote like Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Article improvement drive or maybe by just starting with the big 3 clubs Boca Juniors, River Plate and Independiente and then moving on from there. Any comments? King of the North East 13:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure it's such a workable idea. Some people are good at online research and have the drive to improve selected articles. Some people prefer to maintain the teams they know most. I'd say work on whatever team(s) you like and try to keep them up to date. Some of us will work on the smaller/most unheralded teams to try to give them some attention too. -- Alexf(t/c) 12:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weekly article for improvement

message: A user has recently been increasing the size of club logos. I fear this may be a problem as it may violate copyrights. I understand fair use is followed when logos are low resolution. Increasing the size to 150px as it was done, may be a violation. There's a good discussion on this and related subjects right now at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Club_season_Manual_of_Style. Opinions? Alexf(Talk/Contribs) 10:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club logo recent size increase 

message: Does anybody know of a website that has a complete record of all Argentina's international games, with the goalscorers. (looking for 1956-1957 specifically) RSSSF.com has a list of games but not the goalscorers and I'm trying to find out which games Omar Sivori scored in. - Soprani 12:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I think I've found it. Check this out: http://www.informeargentina.com.ar/portada.htm. Regards. Ipsumesse (talk) 02:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete games record

message: I think this page should be created, it would be an extremely useful research tool. It would be similar in style to the List of England international footballers (alphabetical). I will request it on the project page, I might start it myself, but I'm not sure where I can find most of relevant the statistics, King of the North East (T/C) 13:57, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Argentina international players

message: I have posted a question on WP:WPF on the naming conventions of, among others, Argentinian footballers. Please feel free to add comments there. Sebisthlm 13:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming conventions of player articles

message: I have just removed the transfers sections from the Primera teams, as the Apertura is coming to an end. Maybe we could create a Primera Division Argentina transfers page for the January transfer window so as to avoid cluttering up the team articles and keeping all the transfer info in one place. Any comments? King of the North East (T/C) 14:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a good thing to do. Sebisthlm 01:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will get it set up before the next transfer window then. King of the NorthEast 13:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Argentine football transfers January 2008, if anyone notices Argentine players getting moved, please check for releable sources. If you find a reliable source, list the transferhere, if you can't find a source then revert the changes. Happy hunting, King of the NorthEast 17:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Transfers

message: I have made a request on Wikipedia:Requested moves to change the name of the Argentine club's article to simply "Racing Club" (which is a disambiguation) as per WP:COMMON, I'm not sure if this move would be at all controverisal and now I have done a section on Talk:Racing Club de Avellaneda incase anybody likes to add something. - Sivorian (talk) 14:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Racing Club de Avellaneda]] → [[Racing Club]]

message: I removed the managers and chairmen from Argentino A & B clubs since nobody has systematically updated the articles. I am considering doing the same for Primera B,C & D. Leaving only the national leagues with manager & chairman filled. English peasant 09:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no-one has updated any of the managers & chairmen of these clubs I just deleted the mostly outdated info from Primera C & D clubs. I will attempt to maintain Primera, Nacional B and Primera B for now. EP 03:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lower league managers & chairmen

message: Hello everybody, I guess I'm the newest rookie here. I've been suggested to place a question here about club addresses. I've frequently observed many are located where their stadium is, rather than where they're legally recognized as institutions of some kind. I guess at least it should be noted the difference in those cases. I've put originally this question in the discussion page of Chacarita Juniors. Go check it out and let me know what you think. Thanks. Ipsumesse (talk) 02:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Where to locate clubs?

message: Hi everybody. I've recently put some flesh and bones on the skeleton article of Sportivo Barracas. It may need some wikification, so I'd appreciate if anyone could check it out (grammar and spelling, for instance) and let me know my mistakes. Also, you'll notice I translated vuelta olímpica as Olympic round. I really don't know if the expression is used in English, since my mother language is Spanish, but if it exists, it may be valuable to correct that.
Also, I'd like to add the former club's crest (I have it in my computer), but I'm a bit disoriented with image policies and copyrights. I've read somewhere that it's ok to add images if they're not to big (fair use). Is that right? Sorry if I'm asking things already known by everyone, but these are my first steps. I'm eager to run! Thanks in advance. Ipsumesse (talk) 09:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sportivo Barracas

message: Hi there, I think there are two articles that maybe should be moved. Club Bamin Real Potosí may better be Club Real Potosí since its recent name change, as well as the club's Stadium Mario Mercado Vaca Guzmán, which also changed its name recently (see here  http://realpotosi.blogcindario.com/2007/11/00441-el-estadium-ahora-se-llama-quot-victor-agustin-ugarte-quot.html ). Same happens with Audax Italiano, which had a minor name change this year. So what do you think? Ipsumesse (talk) 16:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New names for two articles

message: Marcos Aurelio Di Paulo played for Chacarita Juniors, Velez Sarsfield and Barcelona in Spain. Does anyone have any more information than that? EP 22:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Player

message: Hi everyone!! I nominated the article of Club de Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata to be a Good Article. And I also rated the article of History of Club de Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata as Start-Class on the quality scale and Mid-importance on the importance scale. If you want, you all are invited to make the article better. Bye --Tincho gelp (talk) 18:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club de Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata 

message: The transfer window is open once again. If you become aware of any player transfers involving Argentine Primera teams or see anyone wrecking articles by doing unsourced and poorly coded transfers, please check out whether the transfer is real, or simply wishful thinking. If its real, stick it on the List of Argentine football transfers June-August 2008. I would be immensely grateful for any help keeping all the player movements uptodate. Regards EP 00:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Transfer window

message: I propose that we remove the navboxes for Olimpo de Bahía Blanca and San Martín de San Juan since they have been relegated from the Primera before we create navboxes for Godoy Cruz and San Martin de Tucumán. Any objections? EP 21:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any opinions? EP 16:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to say yes since they got relegated but it looks like you took care of it already. Regards. Bruno18 (talk) 02:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Navboxes

message: Following several discussions such as this one I think it is about time we set some criteria for player notablility for Argentine clubs before someone comes along to delete them all. I suggest the following:
#At least 50 appearances for the club.
#At least 25 goals for the club.
#Won a "major honour" during their time with the club.
#If the statistics to establish 1 or 2 are unavailable, played 3 seasons with the club.
Additional criteria for smaller teams:
#Won a lower league title during their time with the club.
#Represented their national team while at the club.
#Started their career at the club before becoming a "high importance" footballer.
I weeded out the Boca Juniors section using the first two criteria. Please feel free to comment on my suggestion, EP 20:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it sounds good. Sebisthlm (talk) 21:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable/famous players sections

message: I have started a page to log the Primera División Argentina transfer chaos. If you notice any transfers please feel free to add it (and reliable source) to Primera División Argentina transfers January 2009. Regards King of the North East 15:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also converted the squads to switchable templates which display as the current squad on the club page and the navbox on individual player articles. There are a few glitches to iron out. Overall they should be no harder to use than the previous incarnations and should make the process of updating player transfers easier and eliminate the problem of current squad and navboxes displaying contradictory information. There are a few glitches to iron out. If you have any problems with the new templates please feel free to contact me here or on my talkpage. Regards, King of the North East 21:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  January transfer window 

message: Hi, i nominated an article Club de Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata. And the reviewer thinks that RSSSF it's not reliable. What do you think guys? Please there is a discussion here. I think is a reliable source, and in the spanish wikipedia we use it in almost every article of football (good and featured articles). I need you opinion, please go into that page. Bye --Tincho GELP (talk) 19:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  About RSSSF... is reliable? 

message: Apologies for the notice, but this is being posted to every WikiProject to avoid accusations of systemic bias. Hiding T  13:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:NOT#PLOT 

message: Sorry to bother here with this, but I'd like to know if there's any consensus I'm not aware of on an issue that arose here. I sintetize: when the scorer's name is written in a match, should it be written with capital letters, even if it's a name that goes without capital letters (I'm thinking in names like van der Vaart)? Thanks in advance. Ipsumesse (talk) 16:55, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure on that. It seems like an issue that is wider that Argentine football so I'll ask at the main WT:FOOTY page. You already asked there too. King of the North East 18:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you anyway, King. Ipsumesse (talk) 06:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Question on scorer's names

message: Does anyone know the official name of the Argentine Women's Football League? --Carioca (talk) 20:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Argentine Women's Football League

message: As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAN backlog reduction - Sports and recreation 

message: Why is the article name River Plate Stadium if the stadium's name is Estadio Antonio V. Liberti. --MicroX (talk) 22:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  River Plate's stadium 

message: In Primera División Argentina 1972#Group A, we have both San Lorenzo de Almagro and another San Lorenzo, that just links to a disambig page.  Is there an article identifying this other team? --JaGatalk 19:40, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Other San Lorenzo? 

message: List of football clubs in Argentina#Primera B Metropolitana 2009/10 has 3 clubs which are listed differently to Primera B Metropolitana#Participating teams for 2009-2010, namely Armenio, Social Espanol and Brown de Adrogue. They should be the same for consistency - which names are best used in the lists? Eldumpo (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Consistency of Club Names

message: There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline.  As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE.  Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports Notability 

message: Can some Administrator pls move Alfredo Di Stéfano as above. Some reasoning as to why can be gleaned from the Talk page to the article. The "di" spelling is not supported by anything. The same applies to Trofeo Alfredo di Stéfano, where you also can see the link to trophy issuers Marca for correct spelling. Thank you very much. Oalexander-En (talk) 01:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In Argentine surnames the 'de' is never capitalized (e.g. María de los Remedios de Escalada). When Immigrants arrived to Argentina, their surnames were often misspelled and Spanished . That is the case for [probably all] Italian surnames. Take for instance Ángel di María. --Mariano(t/c) 10:51, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move [[Alfredo di Stéfano]] to Alfredo Di Stéfano 

message: There's seams to be no information regarding the Argentine second division prior to the creation of the Primera B Nacional. I know it's complicated, with teams reaching first division from different regional leages, but we should have a centralized source of information for the historical data of teams reaching/descending to/from first division.
For instance, Lanús is said to have won the second division tournamen on 1992, 1971, 1964 and 1950; what were those championships? Does anyone have an information source with that data?
Thanks, --Mariano(t/c) 09:28, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second division 

message: If nobody opposes, I'm gonna make 4/5 important moves:
#Argentine Primera B Nacional → Primera B Nacional.
As opposed to Argentine Primera División, there is no need to specify the country to disambiguate from another article.
#Primera C Metropolitana → Primera C
#Primera D Metropolitana → Primera D
That's how AFA and Olé call them: AFA AFA Olé Olé
#Torneo Argentino C → Torneo del Interior (football)
That's how AFA calls it: AFA (there is already a Torneo del Interior).
#Primera B Metropolitana → Primera B
This one I'm not sure. Officially it's Primera B AFA. Olé uses both. Common usage goes pretty much both ways, and it may need to disambiguate from others.
Fache (talk) 05:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Division names 

message: Greetings,
I ran into this article, and, after some skepticism, realized that the overall format change is correct and did some editing (this is the original version). But, it could use some help with the particularities. If anyone can add anything to it that'll be super. Thanks. Digirami (talk) 11:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2011-12 season 

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thread_title:  Request for information on WP1.0 web tool 

message: How was it decided to have "Argentine Primera Division" as translated name rather than maintaining the meaning of the name "Primera División de Argentina" (First Division of Argentina) as it shows less potential content to the mother language to have a translation than to impose another grammar on it?2605:E000:1301:4777:FDCC:2983:4697:8CCC (talk) 03:12, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Primera División de Argentina translation