Talk:Jonathan Frid

message: There's a  tag on "Born of Scottish and English ancestry..."  I propose:
:Born of Scottish and English ancestry,
:
Note the book source only supports the claim of Scottish heritage ("Jonathan Frid formed a production company called Clunes Associates in the  [sic] 1986 to produce and promote his one-man shows.  The name came from Frid's ancestral homestead in Scotland.").  Good luck finding anything about English ancestry; too many false hits on the English language. TJRC (talk) 00:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Danger High voltage! 02:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born of Scottish and English ancestry 

message: It seems like it may be some time before we have any authoritative information on the date of Frid's death, if ever.  In the meantime, the article says with apparent confidence "April 14." I propose that we acknowledge the uncertainty for the time being.  Specifically:
* In the lede, use "(December 2, 1924 – April 13 or 14, 2012)";
* In the infobox, use "April, 2012 (aged 87)" (note, hard-coding instead of using )
* In the section "Death," stating: "Frid died of natural causes in April 2012, at Juravinski Hospital in Hamilton, Ontario.[cites]  News report vary as to whether the date of death was April 13[cites] or April 14.[cites]
Any objections? TJRC (talk) 21:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Note, if this sounds like an acceptable approach, I'll put together a formal edit request, with the formatted cites and all. TJRC (talk) 21:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent idea, and we have a precedent with formatting in the infobox etc. at David Kelly (actor). --Tenebrae (talk) 23:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Yes, the most accurate reporting would be to say there is a discrepancy and cite sources for each.  Great solution.842U (talk) 01:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Well, I've gone through this kind of thing more often than I'd care to, and the way it's always seemed to work out — whether quickly, as at David Kelly, or after months and months, as at Demi Moore regarding her birth name — is to give 2 or 3 reliable-source citations for each contention. Unless we've got something like the Social Security Death Index (which wouldn't help in this case since he's not a US citizen), there's pretty much no way to ascertain if equally reliable sources disagree. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking a bold move, I took the information as recommended by TJRC and placed them in the artcile.  Will someone please cite the article (I placed the cite needed templates in those places).  Thank you. swinquest (talk) 21:13, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do. On it. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:26, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

text: BTW, The New York Times just ran a correction: "This article has been revised to reflect the following correction: Correction: April 24, 2012: "An obituary on Friday about the actor Jonathan Frid, using information from a colleague, misstated the date of his death. It was April 14, not April 13." --Tenebrae (talk) 23:26, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of death proposal 

message: :Well, it's more than speculation — it was reported the 13th by the LA Times, the Washington Post and USA Today, to name three major papers. And both they and the ones saying the 14th have cited family sources since the family made a premature statement and then told a few papers something different. So that's not a practical phrase. And having someone shoot the tombstone is OR. 
:With all due respect, when major WP:RS papers contradict themselves, we can only report what they all say. Picking one over the other is POV. It also goes against the consensus on the article talk page.--Tenebrae (talk) 03:01, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: cc of post at [[User talk:Rusted AutoParts]]

message: The source cited for Frid's father, Herbert Percival "H.P." Frid, does mention someone by that name, but does not make it clear that he is the father of Jonathan, the actor, as it never mentions Jonathan. Can we find other sources for this? Nightscream (talk) 06:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur. After giving it over a week, with no clarifiers or additional citations forthcoming, I've commented-out that section and the uncited information that followed, until WP:RS citing is found. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Is Maclean's  a reliable source?  It says "the youngest son of Herbert Percival Frid, a wealthy construction executive, and his wife, Isabella Flora Frid (née McGregor)"; but that's a near-paraphrase of the Wikipedia article as it appeared at the time; and it's hard to tell whether the writer was cribbing from it. TJRC (talk) 23:56, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

text: One of Canada's most respected magazines, and there is information here that appears to have been generated independently. But you're right about the near-paraphrase — that's troublesome. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:23, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Identity of Father

message: Hi.
I just noticed tht this article on Mr. Frid was taken off a few months back. 
http://www.hamiltonnews.com/news/remembering-jonathan-frid/
Any reason on why? I think it does contribute much information on his Canadian lifestyle that many do not know.
Hired Ghoul (talk) 01:37, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The article's history shows that the reference was removed on December 6th 2012 by IP address 70.67.178.170, with the comment "Death". I think you could reasonable replace it. Maproom (talk) 12:07, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Did so. Freaking irresponsible anon IPs. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:17, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frid's Hamilton Lifestyle

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello, I am assisting a former partner of Jonathan Frid in adding new information to his page.  It's my first time editing so I am bound to make some errors (links,etc.) that I will fix as I learn how. Karamel patti (talk) 20:06, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Giving up for now.  I'll try again tomorrow. Karamel patti (talk) 22:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
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message: Hello, I noticed a discrepancy between the newspaper article cited for "Frid's nephew David Howitt..", in which Mr. Howitt is noted as Jonathan Frid's nephew, and a different newspaper article where he is noted as Jonathan Frid's cousin (last page of The Hamilton Spectator's article here: thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/flashbacks-hamilton/2022/03/08/hamilton-actor-jonathan-frid-documentary-dark-shadows.html, which sometimes asks me to subscribe to see the article and sometimes doesn't - I have a PDF of the article if needed). So I checked the documentary here: tubitv.com/movies/637245/dark-shadows-and-beyond-the-jonathan-frid-story. At about timestamp 5:14 David Howitt is speaking on camera and the title says "David Howitt, Jonathan's Cousin". Later in the documentary David Howitt says "Uncle John."  I was able to contact the 5-time Emmy Award-Winning producer of the documentary, Mary O'Leary, by phone, to ask about the seeming conflict.  Ms. O'Leary confirmed that David Howitt is Mr. Frid's cousin, but that he called him "Uncle John" as an endearment because of their age difference.  Ms. O'Leary noted that she was the one who was interviewing Mr. Howitt on camera in that segment of the documentary.  
Considering that Mr. Howitt referred/refers to Mr. Frid as "Uncle John", it seems understandable that the newspaper article cited for "Frid's nephew David Howitt" would therefore assume that Mr. Howitt was indeed Mr. Frid's nephew and not actually his cousin.
Thoughts? Concerns? Is this clarification and evidence sufficient to change the wording in the page to "cousin" and adjust the citations accordingly? Karamel patti (talk) 03:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, having received no comment and since there could be confusion on a reader's part between "cousin" potentially being used in the text (with citations), and the current cited newspaper article saying "nephew", I propose changing "nephew" to the more generic "relative."  I'll go ahead and do that; please let me know if there are any objections. Karamel patti (talk) 02:54, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Howitt - nephew vs. cousin