Talk:Vehicle license plates of the United States

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:Thus most numbering sequences do not include lettering such as FUK, DIE, KKK, BTK, LSD, or USA; and numbering usually does not include 911 or 666. Exceptions where some of these combinations are used can be found in several states including California, Arizona, and Nevada.
The inclusion of some of these sequences, particularly 666, strikes me as dubious.  No one has cited any official policy of any jurisdiction to skip those sequences, and people have already named several exceptions.  Would someone care to provide a citation, so that we can distinguish certain jurisdictions' policy from urban legends?  Thanks much.  Doctor Whom 16:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The license-plate number of the Beast

message: The article includes the following:
:Considered the first specialty plate in the United States was a plate issued in 1987 by the state of Florida to commemorate the Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster. 
Who considers it to be so, and by what criterion?  Given the definition of "specialty plate" in the article, I can think of several before 1987, such as the optional Bicentennial plates that many states issued and various plates commemmorating state anniversaries.  Doctor Whom 01:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I'll go ahead and rewrite the passage to take out unverifiable statements.  Doctor Whom 17:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Earliest specialty license plate

message: Shouldn't this article include information on the manufacture and components of a license plate.  I know the majority are stamped-metal, although I think its Delaware who has begin doing it in a different fashion that is flat and simply printed on.  —  THOR =/\= 16:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: All the DE plates I've seen are cheap flat things. Also, along the same lines, weren't license plates manufactured in State Prisons? Is that true/false? Etc, etc? 68.39.174.238 05:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority are stamped metal, although there is a trend toward flat-printed license plates, either for the general issue (e.g., the District of Columbia) or for vanity tags.  Unless someone wants to beat me to it, I'll do a little research and add something, time permitting.  Doctor Whom 16:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  creation/manufacture 

message: Doctor Whom, I live in Missouri, have lived here for 20 years, and know for a fact the numbering scheme is 123 ABC. It looks like they may be changing it in a couple years, but as of right now, it's still 123 ABC
:It looks from the source that I cited that the numbering scheme already has changed. Doctor Whom 16:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missouri Plate Numbering Scheme 

message: This page contains conflicting information about county-based numbering on license plates. Under Numbering and Lettering, Alabama, Indiana, Montana, Nebraska, and Wyoming are listed as having county-based numbering. On the other hand, Appearance lists the states that do this as Montana, South Dakota and Wyoming. 
Here is the information on  states I found from these two lists:
* Alabama: Yes, http://www.plateshack.com/alabama/alabama.html
* Indiana: Yes, http://www.in.gov/bmv/platesandtitles/coprefix.html
* Montana: Yes, c.f. MCA1995 61-3-332 (9) http://data.opi.state.mt.us/bills/1995/mca/61/3/61-3-332.htm
* Nebraska: Maybe. Plateshack shows both alphanumeric and county-based plates since '03 http://www.plateshack.com/nebraska/nebraska.html 
* South Dakota: Yes. http://www.plateshack.com/southdakota/southdakota.html
* Wyoming: Yes. (This page describes Wyoming's system) 
So, if anyone can verify the status of Nebraskan plates -- as to why some are county-based and some are alphanumberic -- both lists should be harmonized.
--Bennyfactor 02:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Re: Nebraska.  Three counties — Douglas (previous code was 1), Lancaster (2), and Sarpy (59) — use a format of AAA 000.  All other counties continue to use their traditional prefix codes. Qqqqqq 20:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  County-based numbering 

message: should this article be split into separate articles for US and Canadian plates? This is the only joined country licence plate article in :Category:License plates --Astrokey44 01:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How would splitting help the reader? Does the amount of Canada-specific or US-specific information relative to the amount of overlapping information justify such a split? As for the statement that this article "is the ony joined country licence plate article," I don't see that as a persuasive reason for splitting the article, given the similarity between Canadian and US practice. Doctor Whom 16:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: well it would allow you to go into more detail for the licence plates of each country --Astrokey44 13:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would vote that they should not be split; the histories of the license plates of the USA and Canada follow a similar path, such that American license plate collectors often do not even consider Canadian plates to be "foreign." Qqqqqq 23:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would vote for a split for two reasons.  First of all, as a Canadian reader searching for information on Canadian licence plates I have to sift through a lot of information on American plates.  Secondly, and this is a superficial but still gets to me, they are called licenCe plates in Canada.  I understand that the two countries share a lot, but so do the countries in the EU yet they each have their own page.--Lesouris 16:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  split? 

message: Similiar reason as Lesouris and Astrokey44. Plus the page is way too long to justify having one article for two countries. OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Propose to split

message: I got my california plates in the mail today and it was in the form of 1A23456, I have also seen CA plates in this form.  I am not sure if they still use the more common 1ABC234, or if they only use the other.  As for now both are on the list with california noted.  I'll leave it like that until someone can find some source to deermin the currant usage.  Pollox87 06:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would help if we knew the type of vehicle. According to this, both formats are currently being issued, but for different vehicle classes. Doctor Whom 16:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a native Californian. I left there full time in 1991 and have settled in PA. When I left, the 1A12345 scheme referred to trucks. 1ABC123 (or whatever the first digit is up to now) referred to cars. There are various other classes of plates, as well, including the new exempt plates, which simply have 7 numbers. I always wished CA would define its plates in lettering somewhere. There are so many variations. -- 21:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  California Plate numbering 

message: British Columbia plates always seem to have a number sticker in the middle of the rear plate.  What is this?  My guess would be that it might be the day of the month when the registration expires, but that's just a guess.  Does anyone out there know for sure?  Richwales 05:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that little sticker signifies the day of expiration.  A few other Canadian provinces have a similar system. Qqqqqq 14:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Columbia plates -- number sticker in middle 

message: There's only once instance of an unverified claim (using the  template), and that hardly qualifies for an OR template.  It doesn't appear that there is any reason for it on this page, either.  That said, unless there's a real reason for the template to be there, it should be removed.  --MPD01605 (T / C) 02:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, perhaps people haven't made more use of the "fact" template precisely because the "OR/unverified claims" template is there, in which case individual "fact" templates might be seen as overkill.  This is a long article with minimal citation of sources.  It also has a history of edits by people who have insisted that they were right with no supporting evidence or even in the face of counter-evidence.  Even now, the article contains questionable statements, statements that cry out for a source, statements that are difficult to reconcile with one another, and statements that border on advocacy.  I'm not convinced that all of the problems have been overcome.  Therefore, I think that the template should stay unless there's a more appropriate one. Doctor Whom 19:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: The reason I am proposing merging is that as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of US and Canadian license plates (second nomination) (see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of US and Canadian license plates) the article is supposed to be merged, and it makes more sense to merge it here.
As for Historical Mississippi license plates, it looks like they're nominating all state histories for deletion, and I don't want to see all that hard work go to waste. Chris 02:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge History of US and Canadian license plates into U.S. and Canadian license plates tho the AfD should suffice as concenses. However  do not merge Historical Mississippi license plates, instead it should be renamed to Mississippi license plates and fall in line with others(Indiana license plates). See Talk:Historical Mississippi license plates..  Joe I 10:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: new merge proposals

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message: I was noticing that there appears to be a new plate and came here for information.  Not sure how long the current one has been around and there is no sample image for them here.  Not a bit deal, just curious.  PerlKnitter (talk) 13:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I uploaded the following pic of the current plate (as of 2007) to the Commons, if anyone is interested. -Loren (talk) 08:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

text: These are the new plates: http://www.state.gov/m/ds/rls/91484.htm
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thread_title:  U.S. Diplomatic Plates 

message: Okay, I see tags to merge several articles into one, but all I see are two posts pertaining to two former mergers, all months apart. Let's discuss.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 08:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll do it this weekend, spliting the article into US and Canada separately. OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by me then. Thank You.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 07:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Finished splitting into American and Canadian articles. But I haven't done any other merges. OhanaUnitedTalk page 20:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  What was the rationale for this split? Was there a vote somewhere? Qqqqqq (talk) 01:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  First, we don't use votes on wikipedia. We use consensus. From what I saw in this talk page, most people are in favour of the split and all of us have a common rationale: because U.S. is not Canada, despite many people's believes. Then I saw the AfD rationale. This article was way better than when it was nominated for deletion 9 months ago, which is why I performed the split. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  From what I see, it looks like 3 in favor of splitting and 2 against. Qqqqqq (talk) 15:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Me, Lesouris, Astrokey44, and 293.xx.xxx.xxx agree to split. And numerous editors like Plate King helped with the cleanup (so they imply that they agree) OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  So...where is the Merge proposal? 

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message: I'm pretty sure the country codes listed in the diplomatic section are out-of-date, since I've just been looking at some diplomatic plates for which I know the corresponding country, and it definitely does not match what the list says.
Given that the entire section is marked "citation needed" anyway, perhaps it should be removed until an accurate and verifiable list can be used as a reference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.168.195 (talk) 21:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country codes are probably wrong 

message: Current country code table for diplomatic license plates is available at http://dcplates.com/OFMcodes.htm 169.253.194.1 (talk) 15:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country Codes updated 

message: From the Red Lake Indian Reservation article: The tribe and reservation was the first in the United States to issue its own vehicle license plates.
I just saw a vehicle bearing these tags driving down the road in Connecticut, which is what prompted me to start reading up on licence plates.  What other tribes/reservations issue their own plates, are they all road-legal away from their home state, and shouldn't they be included in this article?  66.232.252.133 (talk) 19:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Reservation plates 

message: Information I would like to see in the article:
Is there a published "standard" for U.S. License Plates?  For example, dimensions, size of characters, etc?
Sometimes there are "Uniform Codes" that states adopt.  Is there one for vehicle license plate standards?
Or, was it U.S. automakers that agreed on specifications for the dimensions of the space that a vehicle license plate is mounted?
How has it come to be that:
1. Virtually all U.S. States (but not Puerto Rico) issue vehicle license plates in the same size?
2. So many other nations have vehicle license plates that are substantially larger than U.S.?
My curiosity was piqued over 40 years ago when a cousin visiting from England remarked on the small size of U.S. license plates.  He was a policeman, and thought the U.S. license plates were too small to be read from a reasonable distance, or on a vehicle speeding by.  This would impede law enforcement.
I see there are petitions in some states to eliminate front license plates.  To be contrary, I think license plates should be larger and on both front and back!
And, with the increase in imported and exported vehicles, the space designed for vehicle license plates has become standardized at the larger "European" size.
Just asking!!Jnossoff (talk) 06:47, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure of all the answers to your questions, but I just found part of the answer to your first one, adding it to the article.--Coolcaesar (talk) 23:22, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: US license plates are the right size. To be contrary, I think gaudy European license plates are too big. --71.178.217.251 (talk) 17:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are U.S. Vehicle registration plates so small? 

message: Added the POV template to the Mounting section, because it seems to only dwell in very intricate detail about the arguments against front license plates, and that's it. An argument could be made how this is even supposed to fully encompass "Mounting", but for now, there's only a single POV of front license plates: categorically against them. Featuring such unencyclopedic anecdotes as "For example, a Car and Driver reader wrote in to the magazine to point out that the Mazda RX-8 looks like Bugs Bunny when so equipped.", and using subtle biased language like "clean", "unnecessary" and "obtrusiveness". The section should be expanded with more arguments for two license plates, the negative arguments truncated, or at the very least, the section renamed. --88.112.175.211 (talk) 19:02, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mounting POV 

message: I live in Washington State and know that the plates are embossed, not digital flats. If I'm wrong I would like to see proof on the WA DOL (department of licensing) website, or other source.
67.168.165.233 (talk) 09:48, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  WA Plates 

message: I have removed a large amount of unsourced content, along with low-quality primary-sourced content (e.g., direct links to random statutes or government publications with no attempt at complete analysis or ensuring context).
Someone will have to rebuild the article essentially from scratch. An excellent place to start would be this August 2011 report from the National Council of State Legislatures, which gives a nice summary of contemporary license-plate issues. Neutralitytalk 05:10, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass of unsourced content removed 

message: According to Vehicle_registration_plates_of_New_York#Passenger_baseplates_1910_to_present, US and Canadian license plate dimensions were standarized in 1955 or '56, though there is no citation for this proposal.  I came here looking for furhter info - does anyone have any insight to offer and add to the article? Dimensional requirements for the serial # would also be of use, as would a citation for the requirement for the issuing body to so label the plate with their name.  Thanks! --Badger151 (talk) 17:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Physical layout of plate - dimensions and mounting-hole spacing 

message: The statements about oldest plate designs in current use are just plain wrong. The source cited doesn't verify the statements. That source shows some license plates and doesn't claim to be comprehensive. For example, for California, it shows plates since 1965 and notes that plates stay with the vehicle they are issued to and continue to be valid. Thus there are valid plates on the road with older designs. 
It's unclear whether the statements are meant to refer to designs still being issued or simply ones still in use, but they are wrong on both counts. For example, California now issues "Legacy Plates" that have the 1960s design. Legislation allows them to reissue the 1950s design, but there weren't sufficient orders. However, those plates of the 1950s design and older designs on vehicles from those eras that are still in use are still valid. The fundamental design of those plates over the decades was substantially similar in that they were all black plates with yellow lettering, so it's unclear whether they would constitute a new design any more than any other plates mentioned for other states that might have had subtle changes in lettering.  Hagrinas (talk) 19:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  oldest plate designs 

message: I've seen pictures from the 80s of Greyhound buses with multiple registration plates, apparently one for every state they pass through. Why is that? You can drive from one US state to the next without needing a new plate specifically for that state, right, so why do the buses display multiple plates?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.82.82 (talk) 01:51, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greyhound registration plates 

message: Hey y'all, I'm trying to figure out the rationale for moving the bulwark of an entire section. 
Epicgenius (talk | contribs)‎ revision on 22 September 2015 removed the entire list of country codes from the Diplomatic Plates section of this article and moved it to United States license plate designs and serial formats article. Here's what it looked like before his edit, and after. It's a huge move discussed on either this talk page, or the talk page of the article he moved it to. Let's do this the right way. Let's discuss. I think the list is appropriate here. What does everyone else think? --71.178.217.251 (talk) 17:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's appropriate in this article, since most of the diplomatic section describes codes and designs used on the license plates. This, appropriately, belongs on the "serial formats" article. Or a new article, Diplomatic license plates of the United States?Plus, I only blanked the table, so not the entire section was blanked. epicgenius (talk) 17:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone Deleted Nearly All of the Diplomatic Section 

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message: Is it possible in all 50 states to be issued a license plate with the mark of the beast “666”? or do some states have restrictions in place like with obscene 3 letter words so they don’t make it into production?. 
I ask, Because I’d like to collect a plate from all 50 states but I want to be unique and acquire standard issue plates that coincidentally have 666 in their sequence. 107.126.36.41 (talk) 14:34, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark of the Beast Standard Issued Plates 

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message: The "Gallery of current standard issue license plates" is missing Kentucky and Ohio (as well as various territories, but their exclusion may be more justified). I don't see any good reason to have a gallery of 48 states + DC. 4.15.123.6 (talk) 19:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery missing two states 

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message: The common name for these plates in American English is "license plate".  The term "registration plate" is a foolish foreign invention which fails to adequately recognize that when the state allows a person to own and operate a motor vehicle on the public highways (which is capable of running over and instantly killing people), that is a privilege, not a right.   Under the policy Wikipedia:Article titles, we normally go with the common name for things.  
It looks like the article was formerly located at U.S. license plates but was improperly moved on 26 March 2008 by User:Russavia to Vehicle registration plates of the United States.  User:Russavia was subsequently blocked by the Wikimedia Foundation from editing all projects.  
The article is at the wrong title only because it was apparently vandalized back in 2008 by an editor who was clearly not operating in good faith (and was ultimately hit with a permanent block from all WMF projects for that reason).  I propose a move to "Vehicle license plates of the United States".  Any objections? --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:33, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection from me. I prefer to call things what, according to reliable sources, they are called. Doctor Whom (talk) 12:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: None from me either. I always thought it was odd but blindly assumed that there was some extended debate about it; looks like not. Given that there have been no objections here in seven months, I will go ahead and move it. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 23:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

text: per rationale above. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 23:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I just noticed something not so fun about this. There are 100+ US-related pages that have this issue, including the template Template:Vehicle registration plates of the United States, which neatly summarizes them all. I  changed the name of the template but I definitely don't have the wherewithal at the moment to address each individual page; perhaps a bot job could be issued to take care of it, but I can't shepherd that right now either. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 23:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs to be moved back to the correct title 

message: I came here to fact check about prisoners making 80% of licence plates in the US (citation needed), but found nothing about that here. If this valid thing to add? 2A02:6B68:50EC:0:1EB:BE15:8D4D:36A0 (talk) 16:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a reliable source that says so, I think that will be a useful addition. Doctor Whom (talk) 17:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't verify this specific number, but I did find a RS stating that forty states use prison labor to produce plates and added that to the article. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 00:03, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  80% US Licence Plates made by Prisoners 

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message: There is no Ohio plate in "Gallery of current standard issue license plates." Could someone add it please? GrapevineFire (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ohio plate missing from first section