Talk:Pyramids of Güímar

message: For a long time the ... used to believe that the pyramids -  who was it that believed?  --pippudoz 04:15, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: comment moved down

message: Your English is fine. However, by your reasoning, one could say any archaeological site is just a heap of stones that serves as a tourist attraction. Are you claiming they're just a "montón de piedras" and not real structures? 
The fact that the Güímar pyramids have been worked into ambitious theories does not detract from the significance of the pyramids themselves.  Twalls
:But this following maybe doest not:
::The history of the settlement of the Canary Islands and the origin(s) of the settlers are still unclear. The passage to the Canary islands from the nearest mainland (southern Morocco) is difficult because of the strong sea currents. It is actually easier to approach from Europe and the Mediterranean area..
:If you want my oppionion, it sounds like Europe has finally embraced or colonized her rightful grounds. Because those thousands of sub-saharan Africans doesn't find it a neutral statement that it is difficult. It does not discourage them. They are still sailing to the canary islands with their primitive dangerous boats. They are following the tradition of the Numidian king Juba II who discoverd it from modern Morocco. Although the languists seem to have accepted the assumption that the guanche language is a branche of the Libyan language. But i don't deny the Guanches are blue eyed, blondish and beautiful exactly like the Europeans. :D Best regards! Read3r 16:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Seems Neutral to Me

message: This is what I removed - it's a combination of POV and original research (not to mention writing in the first person). Should have been posted here on the Discuss page:
The pyramids of Güímar were built by the local inhabitants towards the end of the 19th century. They served two purposes: to collect the large stones lying on the ground into a single pile in order to clear the rest of the ground for farming, and once gathered into a pile, the pyramidal structure was made so that the flat platform on the top, aligned approximately north-south, could serve as a drying place for those crops which needed to be dried in the sun. This structure is one of the most convenient formats for this purpose. I received this information from my wife´s grandfather, a resident in Güímar since his birth in 1908, and who died in 2004. He knew well and had often talked to those who had built the pyramids. Most of the local inhabitants of Güímar are aware of the history of the pyramids, but since their supposed prehistoric origins act as a tourist attraction, and since the town does not have many natural sources of empoyment as agriculture has declined, they prefer not to discuss the point.
Twalls 22:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: RM POV

message: The only source from Google Books which mentions these "pyramids" is The Complete Idiot's Guide to Lost Civilizations, and that admits the mainstream view about their "recent manifacture" for touristy purposes. Enough said. It is sad to see Wikipedia in thrall to crackpotship. --Ghirla-трёп- 22:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Touristy hype 

message: It seems to me that if this was neutral, it would be backed up by some citation.  The only one listed is from Pliny, and many dispute the accuracy of travel logs from antiquity.  Most say there is little evidence for the abandonment of the islands during the Roman period, and there is evidence that the natives diverged from the north African Berber population around 1000 BCE.  If this article is neutral, show me the citations. Digsdirt (talk) 04:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Citation and Neutrality 

message: You are right - the article is not based on reliable facts!
I just changed the German Wikipedia article about the "pyramids". I´ve been in Heyerdahls museum in January. Even in the exhibition there is mentioned the archaeological excavation at the Güímar complex, where imported ceramics from the 19th century had been found in that layer, which runs under the "pyramids". I have read spanish articles about the excavation and I could write something about it, but I´m not writing good enough in English. You may find the spanish literature on the Spanish and on the German Version of the Pyramid article. If I shall write anything, please post here or send me a mail. Uli sh (talk) 20:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll read the German page. It seems very well-researched. Perhaps I can help bring some of the information over to the English page. Twalls (talk) 18:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I could translate it roughly, but I don´t know, how to go on then: Should I edit the Article itself - in bad English? Probably not. I could add an article version here in the discussion site - but is this the right place? Uli sh (talk) 08:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pyramids" are from the 19th century 

message: This was specifically about Heyerdahl and whether he is controversial or not. That was more or less a no-brainer and I've added a reference where the neutrality tag was and removed the banner as the issue is resolved.--Doug Weller (talk) 22:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality issue 

message: The translation doesn't mention Hanno, does Pliny definitely say it was uninhabited in Hanno's time, and how does he know that?--Doug Weller (talk) 22:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pliny 

message: I added this heading to structure the discussion. --Uli sh (talk) 08:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation by Banja star

message: *Official page of the Ethnologic Park
*The Pyramids of Guimar
I posting it here because I'm not much of a geolgist, and it would be good if someone could indicate if the more scientific sections make any sense.Banja star (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Banja star, thanks a lot for translating! I just began to translate it too - but I counldn´t finish it yet. The german version bears on german books/flyers in two cases. This has to be removed I think. Perhaps there are examples of english travel guides which refer to "guanches pyramids"? Perhaps I edit my version of the translation here too - meanwhile I found some more things in the book of Aparicio. --Uli sh (talk) 07:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a bad translation. There might be some minor copyedits needed. I wanted to help with the translation too, but due to time constraints I wasn't able. Why are "pyramids" in quotes throughout the article? These are pyramidical structures, aren't they? They're pyramids, no quotation marks needed. Twalls (talk) 16:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. The text may be edited and improved, as soon as it is saved in the article. Should Banja star do this? --Uli sh (talk) 08:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I have now edited the translation of Banja star with some more informations of the quoted literature. And I removed the "improve-advice". There are a lot more informations in the book of Aparicio and López, but I didn´t manage it yet to translate it. Uli sh (talk) 06:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: I corrected the Names of the authors: In spain most people have two family names, the first of their father's, the second of their mother's family. 'Antonio Aparicio Juan' means: his first name is Antonio, his father's family is named 'Aparicio', his mother's family is named 'Juan'. In spain it's common then to shorten the double family name writing only the father's family name. So, if you want to shorten 'Antonio Aparicio Juan', you may name him 'Aparicio' in a citation. The same is valid for 'César Esteban López': 'César' is the first name, 'Esteban López' the last name. Uli sh (talk) 05:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cited Names 

message: I've flagged this section for non-NPOV, since it seems to attack the museum and its approach, and should be rephrased. Simon Burchell (talk) 08:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnographic park 

message: Regardless of when or who built them, it seems overstated to dismiss the terraces as "piles of rocks". Clearly they are examples of  high-quality mortarless stone masonry that demonstrate elaborate planning, even if they were in fact  built by 19th century farmers. WaynaQhapaq (talk) 23:32, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Heaps of Stone",  "Piles of rocks" 

message: It appears that part of this article is a translation of the German wikipedia article, but changing "conclusive" to "inconclusive" and deleting the sentence about the 19th century ceramics as evidence for dating the pyramids. Adding disputed template. Bjohas (talk) 19:46, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I presume 'may we be' is 'may well be'. If you've copied material from other articles you need to indicate which article as without some sort of link it's a copyright violation. I don't think many editors know that. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 20:38, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Have fixed the typo, thanks for pointing this out. I've just made minor edits, rather than directly copy. However, the English text (also talking into account discussion on talk page) does appear to be based on the German text, so I'll add a link to the German article (in line with Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia). Bjohas (talk) 09:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 11:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV / disputed. 

message: Various edits to bring the article in line with research evidence and wikipedia articles in other languages. "Disputed" template could now be removed. Bjohas (talk) 20:34, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I presume 'may we be' is 'may well be'. If you've copied material from other articles you need to indicate which article as without some sort of link it's a copyright violation. I don't think many editors know that. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 20:38, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Have fixed the typo, thanks for pointing this out. I've just made minor edits, rather than directly copy. However, the English text (also talking into account discussion on talk page) does appear to be based on the German text, so I'll add a link to the German article (in line with Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia). Bjohas (talk) 09:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 11:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various edits