Talk:Kibbutz

message: Kibbutz (album) should be added as part of one hatnote. Also, another hatnote containing a link to recently created dabpage Kibbitz (disambiguation) should be added as well. --George Ho (talk) 06:08, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the changes you requested. Kibbitz, which is where Kibbitz (disambiguation) redirects, includes disambiguations of kibbutz as well, so maybe "Not to be confused with Kibbitz." isn't the best language for the hatnote. What do you think? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:31, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

text: PS - Thank you for archiving the ancient discussions on this page. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:31, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  How about moving the Kibbitz (disambiguation) page to Kibbutz (disambiguation). Kibbitz had only two entries with no links to any individual articles, on the other hand, Kibbutz had three entries linking to different links. What do you think? regards, DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 07:14, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you click the "View user right group" in my profile or somewhere, you see that I gave up my rights to edit ECP. Id est I won't edit this page or any other EC-protected pages. George Ho (talk) 07:49, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding more in hatnote 

message: The first religious kibbutz was not Ein Tzurim - it was Kibbutz Tirat Tzvi, founded in 1937 in the Bet Shean Valley. 212.150.177.199 (talk) 10:57, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 16:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2017 

message: @User:Malik Shabazz: I modeled that after the article "Goy", which says, "regular plural goyim". "Regular plural" may not be the best choice of words for either article, I admit. I was basically acknowledging that plurals ending in "s" for Hebrew loanwords occasionally appear in English, and while they're technically not incorrect, they are less-preferred than their "im"-ending counterparts. While there's no question that "kibbutzim" is the plural of "kibbutz", I do find dictionary entries for "kibbutzes" (and "goys"). Joefromrandb (talk) 05:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation. It's a phrase I don't think I had seen before. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 11:03, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Regular plural" 

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message: The section on emotional involvement is not accurate. according Mordecai Kaffman's paper published in the american journal of psychiatry, "No evidence was found of unusual percentage of behavior problems attributable to emotional deprivation" The study can be found here: https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/ajp.117.8.732 , similar conclusions are reached by Leon Eisenberg and Peter B. Neubauer found here: http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0002-7138(09)61938-5/pdf , among others. I wish to update the section with more accurate information 91and71 (talk) 13:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 April 2018 

message: Perhaps when discussing Bettelheim's opinions on the psychology of kibbutzniks, it should be noted somewhere that he's been thoroughly discredited as an expert? 
Although the article mentions at the end of the section anecdotal evidence proving him wrong on specific findings, the way it's written now overall, it doesn't even hint at those findings being anything other than mistaken conclusions of legit research by an actual scientist. So one would have to take the time to read Bettelheim's own wiki page to find out otherwise. That's a problem IMO.
Considering especially how... bold some of Bettelheim's cited opinions are, I don't think they should be presented as is without the context of him being basically a quack/fraud.--109.196.118.133 (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If you wish to add any qualification of Bettleheim, you can open an edit request on this page.  That should specify either A)the exact text you think needs to be removed or B)the text you'd like added and the existing text you think the addition should follow or C)the existing text you'd like changed and the exact text you'd like to see in its place.  You will need to supply reliable sources that support any text changes you propose and ensure the proposed text otherwise complies with the core content policies.  The original research policy is likely also relevant.  I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:39, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bettelheim 

message: Seems that this whole article has been written in order to promote the socialist/collectivist agenda even though facts within the kibbutz themselves have shown, beyond doubt, that there had to be an adhesion to capitalistic principles in order for them to become something of a viable system. This is downplayed in the article whereas collectivist "benefits" are overly advertised. This whole article reminds me of the communist propaganda found in "encyclopaedias" like the "Great Soviet Encyclopaedia" where everything was great and advancing. But reality can't be altered with words on a site and Wikipedia needs to adhere to scientific evidence, ALWAYS accompanied by citations and discourage political malevolence, here in the form of political propaganda by ideologue editors.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by C R O M (talk • contribs) 20:38, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinions and more opinions with little citation.  

message: In the ideology of the kibbutz section there is a sentence that reads as follows: "Kibbutzim were run as collective enterprises within Israel's partly free market system". Wouldn't it be better to swap out partly free market system with mixed economy? Mixed economy is in my opinion correct technically & it is a neutral identification that doesn't have the negative baggage that free market does.  GRosado 04:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Substitute Terms 

message: Can someone change the "leadig" to "leading" in "Ideological disputes were also widespread, leadig to painful splits"? Brobotics Brofessor (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks. Noon (talk) 16:02, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix a Typo 

message: ... to the user as it is now.
A. Nonsensical: the production in the privatised form looks more kibbutz-regulated than in the unprivatised form. Also, the sources are older (1989, 93) than the info (1999 and later)!?!
B. The info is too technical for the layman, and too poor fot the legally trained user.
C. The multitude of individual privatisation solution packages adopted by individual kibbutzim since 1999 is a basic info, and it's not even mentioned.
Who can fix it? Cheers, Arminden (talk) 07:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Privatisation paragraph is useless 

message: Just a suggestion for updating a syntax error - the plural of kibbutz is used frequently(146 times if I remember correctly), while in Hebrew the correct phrase is קיבוצים(Kibbutzim, but that's loosely translated),in english, shouldn't it actually be kibbutzs? kibbutz's? 212.29.214.50 (talk) 12:10, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: See the lead. The plural is "kibbutzim". We use the native language's (sometimes transliterated) plural when that is the word most commonly used in English. See putto for another example. Nobody says "puttoes".  – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:43, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 August 2019 

message: for "In a 1977 study, Fox[citation needed] " add this https://www.jstor.org/stable/1128480?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents -- Opalpolo (talk) 19:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  add a refernce 

message: I cannot edit this page, therefor I make the proposal here.
I refer to, among other things, this passage:
"This conservatism on the part of kibbutz children has been attributed to the Westermarck effect—a form of reverse sexual imprinting whereby even unrelated children, if raised together from an early age, tend to reject each other as potential partners."
The Westermarck effect is highly speculative, from my point of view unlikely to exist, and if we look a the Westermarck article on Wikipedia, we can see that there is substantial critisism from scientific sources. I quote:
"A 2009 study by Eran Shor and Dalit Simchai demonstrated that although most peers who grew up closely together in the Israeli kibbutzim did not marry one another, they did report substantial attraction to co-reared peers. The authors conclude that the case of the kibbutzim actually provides little support for the Westermarck effect."
"Jesse Bering cites several studies that seem to contradict the standard view of the Westermarck effect as an innate learning process; instead, it may be a cultural phenomenon."
("Shor, Eran; Simchai, Dalit (2009). "Incest Avoidance, the Incest Taboo, and Social Cohesion: Revisiting Westermarck and the Case of the Israeli Kibbutzim". American Journal of Sociology. 114 (6): 1803–1842. doi:10.1086/597178.
Bering, Jesse (17 Aug 2010). "Oedipus Complex 2.0: Like it or not, parents shape their children's sexual preferences". Scientific American. Retrieved 18 September 2014.")
Writing about the Westermarck effect without mentioning the research that indicates that this effect is probably non-existent, or at least purely cultural, is potentially keeping a myth alive.FreieFF (talk) 15:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Westermarck Effect, please add further research 

message: Please delete "regular" from "regular plural" as there is no irregular plural of קיבוץ within Hebrew. SuzieMillen (talk) 00:15, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . I think the editor may have been thinking of a distinction between "kibbutzim" and "kibbutzes"? P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 05:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 July 2020 

message: Remove the WeWork advert, it's tangential at best, and does not justify it's own section. 2A02:C7F:361A:D00:3883:C1A8:B66D:42AA (talk) 01:38, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed as spammy and unsupported by the source, making it unsourced BLP claims. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 November 2020 

message: Please put Am Olam, a 19th century Jewish communal agrarian movement into see also. I would but page is protected, thank you. 69.120.202.15 (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also request 

message: Hello, I let you know some google-translated datas from French wiki to possibly complete the "en" one.
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:The "Kibbutz Buchenwald" is an experience of resilience, self-management and agricultural training, after the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp Buchenwald in the spring of 1945. A group of sixteen young surviving men, initially, organized and formed the "Kibbutz Buchenwald", the first agricultural collective of post-war Germany, in the barracks of the camp, then renamed "camp for displaced persons of Buchenwald "https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1112184https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/photo/agricultural-training-before-emigration-to-palestine to prepare the Jews for emigration to Palestine. This place operated for several years and welcomed many members. After the creation of the State of Israel, they founded their own community there in 1948book- Judith Baumel, Kibbutz Buchenwald: Survivors and Pioneers|date=01-01-1997 isbn=0813523370lang=fr|titre=L'espérance du Kibboutz|url=https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/talmudiques/talmudiques-du-dimanche-08-avril-2018|site=France Culture|consulté le=2021-03-14 which was also called initially "Kibbutz Buchenwald" then "Netzer", then finally Netzer Sereni (in).
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:From 1933 to 1935, the village of Jugeals-Nazareth (Corrèze) hosted Makhar (“Tomorrow”), the only Jewish kibbutz in France.. An agricultural building was rented by an emissary from Baron Robert de Rothschild to open a farm-school for young French Jews, before their departure for Palestine, conquered by the British in December 1917 with the arrival in Jerusalem in particular of General Allenby and which was then placed by decision of the League of Nations in 1920 as a mandate territory of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Jewish refugees join Makhar, mostly Germans, but also Poles, Lithuanians, Russians, Hungarians, Dutch or Czechs and even Americans. About 500 to 800 kibbutznikim thus cultivate 75 hectares. The agricultural production is sold at the Brive market. But the rise of anti-Semitism in France and the xenophobic action of the sub-prefect Roger Dutruch are forcing the closure of kibbutz Makhar. Most of the residents then left for Kibbutz Ayelet-Hashahar in the Galilee.
:From 1960 to 1963, a Christian kibbutz, more precisely Jansenist, inspired by the kibbutzim of Israel, was created by Vincent Thibout, member of the Family in Pardailhan. This experiment fails because the members of the kibbutz (80 Parisians) are not used to agricultural life, and there are too many of them on a land that is not very fertile.
:Vincent Thibout then created a new Christian community, still based on the kibbutz model and self-determined as such, in Malrevers. Currently run by Joseph Fert, it makes a living from the production of luxury clothing.
Since I don't manage "en" wikipedia, I propose those informations to this community. 
Peace.
Shloren (talk) 18:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:19, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources from the French page (in wrong format, sorry) Shloren (talk) 10:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

text: *  I removed the duplicate section on this page and clarifed the citations above for ease. I will check the sources you supplied and add the text to article. TGHL ↗ 🍁 03:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

text: *  in revision 1032395005, however both the caption of a photo and the PDF from jugeals-nazareth.fr are questionable as a reliable sources. I did have to make some small copyedits however everything should be visible on the article now. Merci beaucoup pour votre traduction, ! TGHL ↗ 🍁 05:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kibbutz datas from French 

message: Please put Am Olam in see also; it was another "back to the land" Jewish communal movement. Also add Category:Jewish socialism . Thank you 24.44.73.34 (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2021 

message: In "The first kibbutzim" section, link Joseph Baratz to Yosef Baratz. Thanks 24.44.73.34 (talk) 04:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think his name was Joseph and Yosef is a Hebraised version. I have a book written by him that says Joseph, and Encyclopedia Judaica calls him Joseph too. Zerotalk 11:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 April 2022 

message: In gender equality section, fix link of masculinization of women to Gender role#Changing roles 24.44.73.34 (talk) 22:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. I don't think that's an apt target section, as that's more about how the norms are changing in cultures over time, rather than one gender taking on some of the traditional roles of another in a small group. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:27, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I should've phrased that better, it's just fixing an existing link by adding a space so it wouldn't be #Changingroles anymore. I don't disagree with you fwiw, was essentially just asking for a copyedit. So if we're gonna keep the old link it should link to what it's meant to instead of keeping it broken. 24.44.73.34 (talk) 12:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 April 2022 (2) 

message: Please add a reference to this article : the book Our Hearts Invented A Dream: Can Kibbutzim Survive in Today’s Israel? Published by Cornell U press in 2003 and co- authors are Gary Brenner and Jo-Ann Mort- we also had an article on this subject In Dissent Magazine and reviews and interviews Parkslopepisces (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: citations are generally appended to sentences or paragraphs not to articles. Please clarify a target location. Colonestarrice (talk) 15:41, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 November 2022 

message: In the section "group pressure to conform" the entire first paragraph, except the first sentence, does not have a single reference to back the claims up. It seems inappropriate to leave such tendentious paragraphs when they lack any academic references, especially when these claims are quite one-sided and, as the next paragraph implies, disproved. I would suggest to remove this paragraph, or provide sources. Milan.francis (talk) 22:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: I'm not going to completely remove the paragraph as there are some citations there. The unsourced claims are already marked with  tags, and can be removed if there is consensus among editors to do so. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2023 

message: pleek 🥺 TitoBRPA (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  add pronunciation pleek 

message: Today nearly 200,000 living in the kibbutz 2A06:C701:42B6:D300:F58A:8471:C74C:4197 (talk) 11:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update population  

message: ‘ Change ‘First Aliyah’ to ‘First Aliyah (1881-1903)’ Centrepiece12 (talk) 09:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your contribution! NotAGenious (talk) 09:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 February 2024 

message: Should the kibbutz meshulav be considered a type of kibbutz? 68.237.53.160 (talk) 03:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kibbutz Meshulav 

message: Settlement is a political term and specifically refers to communities beyond the green line. Recommend changing settlement to community. F smithers (talk) 10:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. User:CanonNi (talk|contribs) 12:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2024