Talk:Nogai Horde

message: I feel that the subsection Decline of the Golden Horde in the History section doesn't really belong to this article. But more important than that is the apparent contradiction in the timeline.
*1452 Beginning of Russian rule over Turkic Muslims.
*1480 Approximate start of Russian independence from Tatars. 
If Russia started to gain independence from Tatars in 1480, how could she began to rule Turkic Muslims in a earlier date ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: The affinity between Nogais and Kazakh deserves attention. There is literature, I think in a form of a monograph, in Russian, that describes and analyses their affinity. When in trouble, Nogais were returning back to Kazakhstan, there was always connection and in and out flows. Barefact (talk) 09:04, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the steppe peoples had a similar way of life and bands would often move from one group to another, voluntarily or involuntarily. The same group of people would acquire a different name when they were taken over by a different ruling clan. Names like Nogai and Xiongnu usually represent politically organized groups and are not necessarily distinct ethnic groups. Everything I have seen treats the Nogais and Kazakhs as different groups, at least for political purposes. Benjamin Trovato (talk) 22:53, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This reminds me a famous citation of WWII, that all Japs look the same. As we know now they are not. Neither do the Europeans look alike, in spite of what the Japanese thought before. Similar way of pastoral economy does not make them all alike, there are mighty differences between clans, tribes, territorial divisions, etc. Steppe peoples also spoke different languages, and all kinds of dialectal variations. They could distinguish who was a kin and who was not. You are right that Nogai was a politonym, but ethnically it was a conglomerate of extracts from different tribes, like any state that you know of, and apparently a largest component was Kazakh, and that political association never broke an umbilical cord with their Kazakh origin. The  talks about it a little, D.Sinor, 1996, discusses the connections , one of the monographs is here []. Xiongnu is a Chinese derisive rendering for the Huns adopted in the 2nd c. BC in unification of the Chinese language by the Han empire, it is neither politonym nor endonym. "Hun" is Turkic for "kin", i.e. it is a super-ethnonym, like Latinos in Americas. Politically, the Kazakh Khanate and the Nogai Horde were different entities, you are right, but so are South and North Korea and many others. Hopefully, someone will address the subject of Nogai and Kazakh affinity. Barefact (talk) 06:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kazakh affinity 

message: ^ 67.84.232.67 (talk) 04:27, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's pronounced No-gay, not no-guy(which is what nogai sounds like) 

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message: this map is incredibly stupid. Almost all country names are spelled incorrectly. 185.46.51.86 (talk) 00:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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