Talk:Battle of Wiłkomierz

message: Was it Michael Žygimantaitis or Sigismund Kęstutaitis? Polish contingent was led by :pl:Jakub Kobylański (Jakub Kobylański). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  15:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Lithuanian commander 

message: The name of this article is particularly silly.
First, when the battle took place there was no place by the name of "Pabaiskas". There was a "Wilkomierz" or maybe even a "Vilkomir" close by, or if you really want to insist on Lithuanian naming "Ukmergė" (though even that name came around three or so centuries later).
Second, pretty much no sources in English call this "Battle of Pabaiskas" - this is pretty much a Wikipedia invention.
Third, after the battle there was a village founded on the site called "Poboje", which is Polish for "former battleground". Even this new "Poboje" didn't become "Pabaiskas" until ... 20th century (if we're going to be charitable in our guesses maybe there was something along these lines in the 19th century). So if anything the contemporary name of the battle - at least soon after it happened - would have been "Battle of Poboje"). "Pabaiskas" is not even a really Lithuanian word ... I think.
Fourth, of course it wasn't the "Battle of Poboje" either simply because there was no Poboje. But this means that there was even less of a "Pabaiskas".
Fifth, English language sources call this the "Battle of Wilkomierz" or sometimes "The Battle of Vilkomir". Haven't seen any sources that call it the "Battle of Ukmerge" but I guess there could be some sources out there which refer anachronistically to the battle by this name. Haven't seen'em.
This is at best like calling the sack of Byzantium by Septimius Severus in the 2nd century AD the "Battle of Istanbul" though at least Istanbul didn't first go through a translation from Greek or something. Volunteer Marek  04:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ok, this one is particularly silly 

message: "The most common name for a subject, as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources, is often used as a title because it is recognizable and natural. " from WP:COMMONNAME.
Math: Twenty two sources for "Battle of Wilkomierz" > Five sources which call it "Battle of Pabaiskas" + two which use double naming.
Anachronism: "is an inconsistency in some chronological arrangement, especially a chronological misplacing of persons, events, objects, or customs in regard to each other. ". A place whose name is called "After the battle" was obviously named that... AFTER the battle took place. There is the Battle of Wilkomierz, and then there is a place called "Pabaiskas" (originally "Pobojowisko") which was later build near the site. Two different things.
VolunteerMarek 16:02, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The most common name for the place name is not "Wilkomierz", but obviously "Ukmerge". M.K. (talk) 12:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an article on the battle, not the place.VolunteerMarek 13:05, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. M.K. (talk) 13:24, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly what? What is this supposed to mean? What are you talking about?VolunteerMarek 13:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
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