Talk:German sentence structure

message: It was I who did the edit 06:37, 19 March 2006 84.58.192.147 (→Relative clauses - "wo" in spoken language). I did not realise that i was not logged in anymore. --Thomasnimmesgern 06:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: "Du hast deiner Frau einen roten Ring gekauft" (You bought your wife a red ring) 
- "Welchen Roten hast du deiner Frau gekauft?" (Which red one did you buy your wife?)''
It seems to me that this question works in German only as the short form of "Welchen roten Ring hast du deiner Frau gekauft?", meaning "roten" would not be capitalized as "Ring" is simply omitted in speach. "Roten" capitalized suggests to me a name, at the most a wine. However, my Duden did not yield an answer as to which form would be correct. Can someone else please look it up and correct it if I'm right? --KagamiNoMiko 20:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the reader knows, which noun the adjective refers to, it is not capitalized. So: "Du hast deiner Frau einen roten Ring gekauft. Welchen roten hast du gekauft?" But if the noun is unknown, like in "Was hast du deiner Frau Rotes gekauft?", you have to capitalize the adjective. --213.33.24.72 17:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly - but which is the case here? --KagamiNoMiko 19:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asking for subject or object 

message: What kind of word-order-struction does the german has? is it (like english) subject-verb-object or something different? a question that is not answered within this article directly... (corect is: it is subject-object-verb.)--139.18.180.50 15:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to have German and Latin mixed up. ;) The order is, generally speaking, subject-verb-object, but this isn't fixed. A German sentence can be mixed up, for example to emphasize certain parts. So there's no general rule. --KagamiNoMiko 14:39, 10 May 2007 (UT 
A way to form your sentences:
Sv1TOMPv2
S: subject
v1: 1st verb
O: object
M: manner
P:place
v2: 2nd verb
Since we have a Flexionsystem (der,dessen,dem,den) you can mix up the word order, thats why you need this static word order in english because you cannot see at the article "the" if its a subject or object. Here an example from the english grammar page of wiki:
Der Mann wirft den Ball dem Hund zu. (Subjekt-Akkusativobjekt-Dativobjekt)
Der Mann wirft dem Hund den Ball zu. (Subjekt-Dativobjekt-Akkusativobjekt)
Dem Hund wirft der Mann den Ball zu. (Dativobjekt-Subjekt-Akkusativobjekt)
Den Ball wirft der Mann dem Hund zu. (Akkusativobjekt-Subjekt-Dativobjekt)
(Deutsch: „dem“ indicates Dativ , „den“ Akkusativ, „der“ Nominativ))
The man throws the dog the ball. (indirektes Objekt zuerst)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.57.72.38 (talk) 13:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

text: As a matter of fact, in English (at least as we learned it) Subject-verb-object is definitely an order, an order that admits of exceptions but an order. Guess what crib was used for this... Straßenverkehrsordnung ("Road traffic ordinance"). One for the stereotype. If we talk about the same thing in German, we should remember that it was never meant to be anything else but statistics. There are some orders unusual in general, and with these we speak of inversions, as (if I think about it) with objects; but it is no inversion, just maybe less often used, to begin it with an adverbial such as "am Freitag". --91.34.224.223 (talk) 20:22, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  something seems to be missed 

message: There are several cases where the grammer is wrong. I have striked through a couple of mistakes, I Found, under Relative clauses. I am a bit new at this, so someone needs to go through the whole page and look for faulty grammer.(I might do it, though.)
:"Der Mann, dessen Auto auf der Straße parkt" (The man whose car is parked on the street The man who parks the car on the street. Sydseter (talk) 16:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammer mistakes

message: As far as the discussion page shows, this page is not claimed responsibility for by any Portal, yet considering the style of all articles on the navigation box I have read so far, this should probably be the case. Should this as well as the other articles regarding the German language be tagged for the Portal:Languages ?--91.6.9.151 (talk) 17:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Project?

message: I don't agree with the list that lays out the typical order of German sentences.  It does not take in consideration the differences between Accusative and Dative Pronouns compared to Accusative and Dative nouns.  For example:  Pronouns come before nouns regardless of what case they are in.  This list is therefore confusing because using the information given, one would possible put the accusative pronoun after the dative noun.  Mochattez 07:27, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sentence Structure

message: "and then, in Northern German slang, to all relative clauses:
    Der Mann, wo bei Siemens arbeitet, hat an der Technischen Universität studiert. "The man where works at Siemens's has graduated from the Technical University."
Southern Germans never use this form, but they have constructed a double form "der wo, die wo, das wo" which is almost necessary in their dialect. "Wo" may here be replaced by "was", which for undiscoverable reasons seems to occur mostly in the feminine genus."
Southern Germans do use the pure "wo" form extensively, namely in Baden-Württemberg and the Swabian dialect areas of Bavaria (check it out!). 
Plus, the assertion that the alternative "der/die/das was" is used mostly in the feminine form is completely unfounded.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.251.8.106 (talk) 14:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yeah, a mistake of mine. Of course I mistook Bavarian for South German, in general. It is true that in Bavaria, "wo" never replaces a normal relative clause, while adding it after the correct relative pronoun is all but mandatory (but not correct Standard speech of course). It can be replaced by "was". The assertion that the alternative is mostly used in the feminine is unfounded, yes. It is an impression of mine which I guess you'd hear much approval about from Bavarian speakers.--151.100.102.161 (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "wo" as a relative pronoun 

message: It would be nice if information about some more complicated sentence structures was included.  For example, two main sentences joined together with a comma, or sentences with one subject and two main verbs, etc.  I know that there is no way to include everything in Duden - Die Grammatik, but adding a few examples of sentences from normal German newspapers would be a great help for anyone trying to translate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.93.37 (talk) 02:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More complicated sentence structures.