Talk:Powwow

message: I'm not sure if this should be included somewhere in the article.  The U.S. Army organied a powwow in Iraq, with soldiers and marines attending. Many interesting points made by the interviewed personal.  Gentgeen 00:16, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powwow in Iraq 

message: Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia.  Unfortunately, the commercial links/content you added  were inappropriate, as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should not be used for advertising or a collection of external links.  See the welcome page if you'd like to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia.  Thanks!--Vercalos 06:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My idea behind this edit was not advertising. My idea was: Give people outside the USA a chance to meet one another. I live in Neukoelln(Berlin), we have 300.000 citizens from 126 nations, we are really international. But it is hard to find other indian people here. The Pow Wow Restaurant I found sells indian food but the last real indian seen was some years ago. The seller of indian music-discs, I found, wants to sell indian music but he has only five vinyl-discs which he dont sell, cause they are like a souvenir for him. So it is really important to build networks! Please assist and show me a way. TIA --Peter Littmann 06:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Still, it's not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. 192.251.134.5 (talk) 16:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pow Wow 

message: === Germany ===
* Silverland: Indian Arts and Crafts
==== Berlin ====
* PowwoW: Restaurant - Bar - Catering
* Indian Music Shop, near Koertestrasse 15
--Peter Littmann 07:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Places to meet outside the USA 

message: * Silverland: Indian Arts and Crafts
==== Berlin ====
* PowwoW: Restaurant - Bar - Catering
* Indian Music Shop, near Koertestrasse 15
--Peter Littmann 07:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Germany]] 

message: * PowwoW: Restaurant - Bar - Catering
* Indian Music Shop, near Koertestrasse 15
--Peter Littmann 07:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Berlin]] 

message: Okay, that's way too brutal.  At the very least, everything after the first paragraph should be in a section named "Modern Pow-wow Events".   That there's no mention of even a single historical pow-wow, ouch.  Or the use to defuse disputes between tribes/nations? Shenme 05:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for not contributing one edit to the article. Hyacinth (talk) 02:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reads like a school organization's charter 

message: The new image that was added to the lead of the article is a bit out of place. The dancer appears to me to be an Aztec dancer. From what I've experienced, Aztecas don't participate during the events described in this article, but instead perform either before the pow-wow actually starts, or during an intermission or meal break. Their dance music is very different than "standard" pow-wow music, with no vocals and a more complicated drum beat. While a section could be added for the Aztecas and other events that sometimes happen at a pow-wow, I think it's not a good choice to be the first image in the lead section of the article. Gentgeen 05:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New lead image

message: Just FYI that I uploaded a bunch more pow wow photos into commons for this or other related articles (Commons link at the bottom of the article will get you there).  I am also going to try and tweak the text a little bit to expand on some of the events, but I'll warn everyone in advance that a) the only pow wows I have been to have all been in the Northern Rockies and b) I am not Indian, nor  c) do I claim any expertise on the subject, I just go and watch sometimes, so I undoubtably am going to get something wrong. But know it's in good faith. Montanabw(talk) 03:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More stuff 

message: Since one cannot view the pictures while editing the page I have hidden comments in the article indicating where the images may go. I have assumed that most images may go anywhere with the following exception: Pictures of men's dances shouldn't go in the women's dances section and vice versus. I will now attempt to space the pictures throughout the article given the new sections I have added. Hyacinth (talk) 00:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The photos  can easily be located when editing by looking for use of the "Image" tag and the caption.  Your hidden text isn't really necessary and could be confusing, as sometimes images have to be placed in weird text sections to show up in the right location on the page, though i don't disagree with your placement guidelines.  And no, actually, according to wikipedia guidelines, images can't "just go anywhere" they ARE supposed to go somewhere reasonably close to whatever is being described in the text, so you are correct that men's and women's photos shouldn't be mixed up, but there is a compromise between text layout, flow, and precise placement (sometimes wikipedia markup language does weird things and the images need to be placed in illogical locations to look right on the page once it loads, it's sometimes a matter of trial and error.  However, you are the first person to add anything substantive to this article in months, (no one had done much with it for quite a while before I added all the photos I took last summer and fall), so I'd say not to worry about it too much.Montanabw(talk) 02:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: Powwows are social events, they are not sacred.  Pictures can be taken during grand entry.  There are only certain times when cameras are not allowed.  Listen the the master of ceremonies.  Wade Crowe, enrolled with the Yanktonai Hunkpati Dakota Sioux Nation of Crow Creek, South Dakota.
:thought so, thanks!  Montanabw(talk) 18:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, everybody and their dog had cameras at the one where I was taking photos, absolutely no prohibitions on photography were announced or stated.  Maybe it depends on the part of the country.  I cannot speak for the other images. Montanabw(talk) 05:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the photograph of the 1980s Omaha Powwow grand entry that I added to the article several years ago. The photograph is from a Library of Congress field documentation project (and is in the public domain) to record Native music, which was digitized and placed on the LOC's website in 1999. The LOC's about this collection page lets us know that the Omaha tribal chairman, the head singer of the Host Drum, and many other Omaha leaders were part of the team that decided which records (photographs, sound recordings, field notes) to include in the online collection. I don't think there can be a problem using this photograph. Gentgeen (talk) 06:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And I took the other one, in a public event in a public location, and I happened to be standing right next to a local newspaper editor at the time.  Had there been a problem, they WOULD have stopped me, folks around here are pretty sensitive to these things. (It is poor form to take photos during prayers, etc., ) Montanabw(talk) 07:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Entry Pictures 

message: thumb|180px|Armed and dangerous
I came to this page with a cool dancer photo from the Smithsonian (actually a bunch of them) -- this fellow reminds me of some of the big, scary guys we used to see at pow-wows in Oklahoma, where I grew up:  armed and dangerous....
Anyway, the page was something of a mess, photos all over the place, mostly HUGE uprights with text "sandwiches" -- seriously out-of-kilter per MOS:IMAGES and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(layout)#Images. I spent some time cleaning up and reformatting. Editor Montanabw reverted almost all of my edits, commenting "Remove forced sizes, and delete rather scary-looking lead photo that is not representative of most pow-wow dancers."
The "scary guy" is a matter of taste (and experience), but the rest of my changes were per MOS:
::The article has needed assorted cleanup for a while, I'm not going to kick about some of the formatting problems, but the big scary guy as the lead image perpetuates negative "ugga mugga me mean Injun" stereotypes (as does your condescending caption) and unless you can explain what style of dance he's doing, (definitely not a Northern dance) it's a useless image.  Also not sure the copyright is OK.  The original lead image of a grand entry at a real Pow-wow, showing variety, is more apt for a lead than some guy putting on an exhibition in Washington, DC.  Montanabw(talk) 06:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we keep the photos as they were for the moment, but you can freely mess with better formatting.  I won't argue that the formatting stuff can be improved, though there is a logic to having an image representing each of the styles, even if it makes the article a little image-heavy.  More text can always be added later.   A couple of things, though: Forced image sizes in general are problematic because of different computers and different user preferences can screw it all up.  We're supposed to just use the "thumb" parameter (though there's some way to make a small image double-sized, but I'm not sure how to make it work, so I still use forced sizes when I want a big lead image or if I want stacked images to be the same width) I'm also not sure every image needs to say which pow-wow it's from, other than to define regional styles by locating the event geographically.  And if you can figure out the kind of dance your big scary guy is doing, we can put him in, but farther down, not as a lead image.  Montanabw(talk) 06:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image size , format and how many do we need? 

message: Would it be okay if I moved this page to "powwow"? The hyphen is unnecessary. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:58, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing name change: powwow 

message: The article has lots of information about modern pow-wows, but I would like to know about the historical period prior to any European influence (i.e., pre-1492).  
Were pow-wows held then?  What were they like?  Were they attended by members of a single tribe, or members of multiple tribes?  Were they attended by ordinary Native Americans, or only by chiefs or other high-level tribal leaders?  Would like to see a section added to the article to explain these historical origins. 71.221.121.78 (talk) 07:00, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Powwows emerged in the early 20th century due to the United States outlawing many traditional tribal dances. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

text: We are better off here not having material that is not properly sourced than using dubious sources.  The site you note above is actually incorrect (there is no such thing as an "Indian word" as there are hundreds of indigenous languages); ceremonial dances were a part of most cultures, and the modern Pow wow is a combination of many cultural elements from multiple tribal nations, so as such cannot be ascribed to a single group.  If you really want additional material, this is a better source.  Montanabw(talk) 20:16, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ojibwe word "puwaugunugawin" was abbreviated to "pow wow".  Originally, this was the "feast of the pipes", celebrating the summer solstice (Anishinabek News, May 2000 & Anishnabe 101, The Circle of Turtle Lodge, 2000, )  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.235.189.48 (talk) 15:32, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical origins 

message: Not sure there's a point to this yet as so far I don't know if there's many or any articles on individual rodeos, just noting all the ext-linked ones and being aware of some major ones in Canada that may someday have articles.  They're often held as part of Indian rodeos, or in conjunction with them; again List of Indian rodeos comes to mind, but so far the Anahim Lake Stampede (a famous one in BC, though all stampedes and rodeos in BCV e.g. the Williams Lake Stampede are generally "Indian" in participation...and audience) and others don't have separate articles; though I think there's Indian rodeo as an article.Skookum1 (talk) 06:58, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There are way too many powwows to even considering listing. Any that have their own articles, such as Gathering of Nations can simply be linked in the "see also" section. As far as rodeos, they should be linked under Indian rodeo.  -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:19, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a list of rodeos article (see the link at the end stuff in the rodeo article, and if anyone wants to improve Indian rodeo, it could use some help.  Montanabw(talk) 19:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hiya, I restored the two "see also" links, because they should be linked to this article and they are the only powwows I know of that have articles (haven't scoured all Wikipedia though). Frankly, even a List of powwows in Oklahoma would be insanely long and squirrelly, since powwows fade in and out of existence, and 99.9% don't have articles. I was surprised that powwows.com wasn't in the ex links, so I added that. Let them keep track of all the millions of powwows, and let Wikipedia stick to what's published in secondary sources. -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I can live with that, though only because we have few WP articles so far.  The powwows.com needs to be properly linked to the actual calendar, though.  Montanabw(talk) 20:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of pow wows? 

message: Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that I added the BAAITS pow-wow to the short list of pow-wows at the end of this article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stayhomegal (talk • contribs) 03:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added BAAITS 

message: The reference linked to for the passage  "However, such use may be viewed as cultural appropriation and disrespectful." DOES NOT say anything about "cultural appropriation". The ref ACTUALLY claims it is "offensive", not "cultural appropiation". And when I come over to fix the quoted passage, you guys decide to plug your ears and protect it claiming "VANDALISM!!!". I feel I have to reiterate that the ref says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about cultural appropriation. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Nil. --76.21.114.155 (talk) 02:01, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference was dead, so I have updated it. I have also changed the wording to match what the reference actually states ("offensive or disrespectful"), but left the link to the Cultural Appropriation article. I agree that this may be construed as improper depending on how people define the latter, but that's something that we need consensus on! Wasechun tashunka (talk) 19:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Cultural appropriation is the appropriate descriptive term; also the edit dispute at that article need not come over to this one.  Montanabw(talk) 06:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passage in article not properly quoted 

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