Talk:Iraqi Air Force

message: This article seems not to have an NPOV - seems to be written in a very patriotic/pro-Iraq style celebrating victories only. Should probably be extended. --86.137.152.81 15:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  No mention of any air-to-air losses of Iraqi aircraft whatsoever in Desert Storm, Northern Watch/Southern Watch, Iraqi Freedom?  So the Iraqi Air Force had no losses except a few from ground attacks during those operations?  Wow.  This goes beyond being "allowed to betray a patriotic tone."  Besides, when did the principle of being "allowed to betray a patriotic tone" supplant or modify NPOV?  Holy (talk) 19:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: WP places no restrictions on the views of its editors (they may be exceedingly patriotic or entirely devoid of patriotism etc) however all edits should conform to the neutral point of view policy which does not sit comfortably with text which betrays a patriotic tone. Greenshed (talk) 23:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Point of view concerns

message: The roundel that was on this page was never confirmed upon requests, nor a link provided; I have reverted to the older roundel until documentation proves the new roundel 206.251.0.98 (talk) 19:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Roundel

message: As User:213.137.118.15 pointed out, over 2 years ago! The Iran-Iraq war is not mentioned in the history. I will have to correct this. Ryan4314 (talk) 05:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iran-Iraq war?

message: This article lacks history of the Iraqi Air Force from the Iran-Iraq war to their former aircraft inventory. Someone do something please. EZ1234 (talk) 05:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry people, I have expanded the history section of the air force including the Iran-Iraq war--EZ1234 (talk) 08:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: I think the section on the Iraqi Air Force's involvement in WW2/Anglo-Iraqi War needs to be expanded. Also, British records mention German bombers flying from airbases in Mosul to bomb RAF Habbaniya. My question is did Iraqi pilots fly any German/Italian aircraft? If so, which aircraft and when/where? Lawrencema (talk) 23:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  German fighters in WW2 

message: What is with this section? There are plenty of other aircraft used by the IQAF before the US invasion and their services are unknown. --EZ1234 (talk) 15:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown inventory 

message: Has the roundel changed with the latest changes to the flag of Iraq? AnonMoos (talk) 14:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think so. According to the page about roundels, the new version is what this article currently displays as the "symbol of the IQAF" above. The image currently displayed as the roundel is probably a leftover from the Ba'athist regime (as implied by the stars) and no longer used. If this is the case, then the image needs to be changed. DerekMBarnes (talk) 04:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: File:IQAF_Symbol.svg was apparently the symbol of the Iraqi air force from 1931 to at least ca.  2004; :File:Iraqi_Air_Force_roundel.svg is based on the 2004-2008 flag of Iraq (not on Saddam's flag), but its official status is hard to confirm from internet accessible sources (see the 2007 comment above), and of course it's now out of sync with the current flag of Iraq. AnonMoos (talk) 17:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

text: From what I've seen, currently the IqAF doesn't have a roundel. Insignia consist of the national flag on the tail fin, and "IRAQI AIR FORCE" on the fuselage sides where the roundel would ordinarily be located - :File:Iraq Air Force T-6A.jpg shows this very well. - The Bushranger (talk) 06:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Roundel change

message: The aircraft inventory section mentioned 36 F-16s which Iraq sought to buy, with plans for an additional 252 F-16s in 2015.  The reference cited, however, only mentions the 36.  I removed the "252 F-16s" part.
JBHemlock (talk) 15:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unverified inventory

message: I made a correction to the table of the Gulf losses .
MiG-29 losses were 6 not 5 
MiG-23 losses were 9 not 8
These two extra losses took place on Jan. 17th when a MiG-29 shut downed a MiG-23 by mistake and then the same MiG-29 crashed into the ground trying to engage USAF F-15E .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.199.61 (talk) 13:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as you have a reliable, verifiable source, be bold. :) - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 22:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aircraft losses correction 

message: While the article as a whole needs a good mopping, the '1990s- Persian Gulf War and no-fly zones' section, especially, is at times difficult to comprehend, and reads like an essay. It needs a total rewrite, really, I guess... - The Bushranger One ping only 10:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. That section is a terrible mess, and whoever typed those pages with this 􀂃 symbol made it far worse. Wolcott (talk) 18:20, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tag 

message: --Mt hg (talk) 08:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too iraqi centric - it accepts anything that is written on a generic "Iraqi air force top secret document" and grant it for totally true 

message: What titles do the Squadrons ACTUALLY have. The squadron articles use No. 23 Squadron etc. etc. and the references used for these articles quote the abbreviation for Iraqi Air Force as IqAF. Can we have a concensus to lay any doubts to rest. Better still let us use the actual titles and abbreviations used by the Iraqi Air Force!!--Petebutt (talk) 08:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Titles and abbreviations

message: Please consider removing the parts violating copyright. Just compare the article with this source! --Mhhossein (talk) 06:06, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvios 

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message: The article says that there were 88 Mirage F.1 in 1990, plus 8 ex-kuwaiti. It seems highly doubtful, as the Mirage sent to Irak were roughly 120 examples (and NOT 200 as some source years ago stated). No less but a dozen were shot down by F-14s alone, many other were shot down by F-4, perhaps F-5s, HAWK, and some a.a. and others were lost by accidents. So there is very little probability that 88 lasted in service in 1990: simply, with thousands of sorties, there is no probability to have only 24 aircraft lost in eight years of intense war.
Not only this: Globalsecurity.org states that the IrAF, in 1990, had only 1,034 aircrafts. Of those, 47 were cargos and 321 trainers (even if capable, in some cases, to fight). About the first line aircrafts, there were exactly: Attack 390: 60 Su-25,  94 Mirage F.1 (overated to me), 90 MiG-23 (not over 120), 25 Su-24, 70 Su-20/22 (not 120), 30 Su-7(? probabilty already phased out), 30 J-6 (idem).
16 bombers: 8 Tu-16 and 8 Tu-22 (phased out already then)
fighters:  245:  30 MiG-29, 25 MiG-25, 150 MiG-21, 40 J-7 (the MiG-23 are evidently rated all to the fighter/bomber class).
Recce: 12:  5 MiG-21 and 7 MiG-25. 
That means about 663 combat aircrafts, compared to around 760 of the wiki data. And this, is done despite the J-6, Tu-22, Su-7 were already out of service even then, in 1990. Instead, we should cut by 68 (Tu-22, Su-7, J-6) if not more (the Mirage F.1 alone, had around 40 losses in GW I and therefore, they must be less than the rated value of G.S.).  GS states at once, that the Mirage F.1 in 1990 were only 65. 
All this doesn't account, apparently, to the losses that IrAF and IrAC had in the 1990 invasion. 
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/air-force-equipment.htm
G.S. assured too that: 
Some published estimates suggest that there were as many as 750 combat aircraft in the Iraqi Air Force at the time of the 1991 Gulf War. Other estimates suggest that the actual number of fighter and ground attack aircraft was closer to 500. One problem with the higher number is that it is apparently derived from calculating aircraft deliveries during the 1980s, without accounting for combat and other losses during the decade of war with Iran.and While most sources report that over 90 of the 113 one-seat Mirage F.1s from France remained in service as of 1991, other estimates suggest that the number was far lower. And while Iraq received over 200 MiG-21s and F-7s during the 1980s, by some accounts over half of these had been lost by the time of the 1991 Gulf War.
The UN and Kuwait say Iraq did not return extensive Kuwaiti military equipment, including eight Mirage F-1 aircraft. 
Basically, we cannot seriously so underrate the level of loss suffered by IrAF as they did not have hundreds of them during the Gulf War (with IRAN). This is HIGHLY MISLEADING for any reader. 
Moreover, if we check the SIPRI site, then we have that Irak got from URSS a total of: 
178 MiG-21s, 126 Su-22, 140 MiG-23. It's basically impossible that in 1990 there were so many MiG-21/J-7s in service, less then the Su-22, of which about the 50% were lost with Iran, it's the same with the MiG-23/23BN.
This issue need to be corrected ASAP, as even over 25 years after the D.Storm, still the IrAF is depicted much bigger than it was, always the syndrome of 'enemy 10 ft tall', probably, and US war propaganda did not much to clear the facts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.11.0.22 (talk) 15:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: IrAF widely over-rated numbers in 1990 (with reliable sources!)

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message: Hi, i am adding discussion because there is a contract signed for iraq to buy 14 dassault rafales but i don’t think they arrived yet so should we add them in and put on “14 on order” ? HappyMouse4620 (talk) 08:48, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: any reference for signed contract? because all I can found is still only intention to purchase 14 rafales (such as this reference). Ckfasdf (talk) 00:51, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New planes on order