Talk:Indian martial arts/Archive 8

message: As far as Kenneth Tennyson bashing other authors, here is an exerpt from a book review on Amazon.com:
:::Founder of the homemade Mushindo Karate movement, never studied under a legitimate teacher, or any martial art teacher, never set foot in Asia, completely disproven, shown to have plagiarized many photos and other materials from other published written sources. Of course he claims to have studied under masters in Tibet, and been a disciple of Okinawan Karate teachers - since disproven by such worthy sources as Gorge Mattson, et al. Was involved in an abusive sex scandal with several female students a few years back ("Sleep with me and I'll enlighten you" kinda thing), uses abusive and coercive tactics to control what ex-students say at him, a propaganda liemaster. 
The person he is bashing is none other than Terrence Dukes (or the real Frank Dukes from the movie Bloodsport)
While putting others down, Kenny brags, or advertises about his martial arts expertise to scare people:
:::Hmmm... well, kalaripayattu has a lot of similarities with caopera, alot of jumping and posturing, and a lot of religious themes to it. I guess it depends on what martial arts you've trained in to determine whether I can kick A$$ or not. let's see... I'm a red belt second degree in tae kwon do and have some knowledge in shotoken. I've got to start learning about grappling though. 
Freedom skies and myself are not the only ones who feel that Kenny is a racist. Here are some excerpts from users from other forums:
(The Armchair Analyst - Asia Times Forum)
:::I see. However, you sounded like a racist.
:::No, I have no "South Asian sensitivities". I am no nationalist/jingoist. I consider myself above it all. 
:::ALL your posts are based on the rather silly assumption that militaristic power in the last three centuries is a sign of "greatness". It may be in a narrow Anglo-saxon way, but not in a Gandhi-Buddha sort of a way. Get it?
:::Civilizations such as India (actually even China until today) have NEVER had a negative impact on other civilizations that remotely matches yours.
:::You have generalized Indians to be bigots etc., I agree that SOME not all are. But the fact that you generalized it to include an entire ethnic group as "obnoxious", by definition makes you a racist. YES IT DOES! 
(rocky - Asia Times Forum)
:::What inaccuracy are you referring to? If Brits came to India and got rich, was the wealth Indian or British? Besides looting, what exactly did British accomplish? While your bias is clearly visible with this statement, what is your purpose of posting this in this forum?
:::Isnt it quiet evident that even in yr 2005, it is difficult for you to get off your pompus ass, why on earth would anything written by Anglo-Saxon when Europeans were busy colonizing the world accurate? Isnt there a vested interest on part of the European to disparage Native Cultures and delibrately belittle their achievements? 
That's just a couple of the many others. However, I do not want to clog up this page.
I have also noticed that Kenny tends to have a habit of cutting and pasting articles, and also cloning the article he had fabricated on a few web sites  
I know that I am not the only one who knows this:
(Brahman - Martial Arts Planet Forum)
:::i really do hate to post on this topic seems as it was only to counter mine, which by the way it would be nice if you would simply post this on my topic were you could get a real discusion, were as here people might simply ignore you becuase of the topic cloning. 
(Bliss - Asia Times Forum)
:::Thats not from a 'social studies journal' you fraud, thats a copy paste... 
(rocky - Asia Times Forum)
:::I believe Kenneth probably picked up a web-site of some Tourist Board, most likely Kerala, and made a religion out of some possible over exaggeration.
:::But wait, it is the same guys who create more categories just to be the highest or tallest or biggest in that. 
Kenneth Tennyson brews hate in martial arts forums:
(Kennethtennyson - Asia Times Forum)
:::Alas, this thread has degenerated into a hate fest not suprisingly enough in the South Asian section of AToL. Regardless, I want to posit something to all of the bigoted South Asians out there who think that they are the masters of the world, greater than any East Asian or white european...
:::First, without a shadow of the doubt the latter 3 centuries have been moved by White Europeans. Europeans and americans until the 1950's were the movers and shakers of the world.
:::However, What is the one, the only one, non-European country in the whole world that has been modernized for the last 2 centuries? 
:::-Japan, in East Asia
:::What are the only non-European countries in the whole world that was a colonial power, obtaining land during the colonial period?
:::-Japan in Manchuria, China in Central Asia
:::What are the current non-European countries that have reached first world status and Technology?
:::-Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, all in East asia
:::What are the two U.S. wars to result in a military defeat or a tie for the U.S.?
:::-Vietnam War and Korean War - East Asia
:::What is the only non-European country to have played a major role in WWI and WWII militarily?
:::- Japan, in East Asia
:::What are the three largest economies in the world today?
:::- U.S., China, Japan
:::Name one South Asian country to have ever won a military war against a European power?
:::- Hmmm........ India's independence against Britain does not count. Britain ruled India with the same amount of military personnel that it the French to administer all of Vietnam. Britain was broke after the war, and Gandhi was lucky he did not get himself killed for preaching non-violent protests (although I do admire him for it). If Gandhi had gone to Vietnam to preach his non-violent approach to freeing the country against the French, he would have been laughed out of Vietnam or possibly killed by the French.
:::Name one instance in the recent 1000 years of India's history in which it has won a military engagement against a foreign power?
:::-Hmmm.........
:::Name one instance in the last century, where a European or American military engagement did not result in complete annihilation of a Middle Eastern or South Asian power?
:::-Hmmm........
:::Name one country to have defeated 6-7 other countries in a span of a few days?
:::-Isreal against its Neighboring Middle Eastern countries
:::What are the shortest wars that the U.S. has ever fought with the least amount of casualties involving a majority of the U.S. military?
:::- Persian gulf war, Recent Iraq war, Recent Afghani war
:::Look, I want to state that I am not bigoted. It's just that I'm getting tired of reading racist posts by obnoxious people from South Asia who think that they are the masters of the world. 
(Isn't that true that racists say that they are not racists?)
(Reply form Asterix - Asia Times Forum)
:::OK lets accept you are not a bigot for a moment there.
:::Now lets see who is a bigot here out of the two:
:::1) A Non-South Asian who butts into a South Asian forum and starts showing why South Asians are inferior to East-Asians and Europeans!
:::2) A South Asian who is discussing issues about South Asia in a South Asian board.
:::The person in (1) suits the profile of a Bigot more than the person in (2) above, I would say. What do you think, Kenneth?
:::Regards,
:::Asterix. 
Kenny then appologizes for the offensive post above due to a few too many drinks... err... 3 cases actually:
:::Alas, if I could have taken back that previous long post on military history, I would have. My bad - now that I look at it, it does seem sort of vindictive and acrimonious. It just goes to show you that drinking 3 cases of Guinness and typing on forums does not go well together. 
Kenny's hate brewing encourage others to do the same:
(agent Orange - Asia Times Forum)
:::Only difference being that he wouldn't have the shamelessness to claim another country's achievements as his own. Now that China has gained more confidence in the world, its people find it less of a need to brag about the past. For me, I don't really care who invented what. All I know is that any Shaolin cook or janitor can beat the crap out of any Indian guru. 
(Butterfly Palm - Fighting Arts Forums)
:::I suppose the Indians will next claim that silk was discovered by a 2000BC Indian princess who happened to be singing and dancing round a mulberry tree one day (as they still do now in Indian movies?) and why not, given that the majority of Indian women in India to-day still wear silk sarees as an everyday wear.
:::Since humans or pre-humans needed to fight right from the stone-age period and the present state of archaeological knowledge suggests that the earliest humans were found in Africa, then we can say, guite confidently, that kung fu or MA in general must have been practiced first in darkest Africa and then maybe spread to India or that perhaps the early dark-skinned Africans tracked their way to the Indian subcontinent (bringing their primitive MA with them) and eventually evolved into the present day dark-skinned south Indians. 
:::This should make a good topic for a PhD. dissertation.
(Butterfly Palm - Fighting Arts Forums)
::: Asking someone to accept that one's jealously guarded family art actually originated in a small thatched-roof, dung-strewn village populated by a people speaking an unheard of language 1000s of miles away and 100s of years ago is very very difficult to stomache.   Indrancroos 23:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kenneth Tennyson's reckless behavior in other forums

message: you are not discussing anything that is of any merit... you have accused me of racism - where have i made a racist comment?  you have taken discussions out of other discussion groups out of context and further have accused me of being other people on other discussion groups that i have no idea about... as far as i can tell, you are having problem swallowing the fact that I disagree with your POV view of the world and you have nothing to add to the discussion..  you have not brought anything to the table to this discussion except accusations... and your viewpoint is quite POV on the world... you have also accused me of being drunk on two occasions - what are the two occasions?  and did anyone disagree with my edits on wikipedia?  No! as far as i can tell, the edits that you and freedom cross have made to articles have led to two to three locked articles...Kennethtennyson 03:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: look Indran cross