Talk:2007 Giro d'Italia

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--JeffGBot (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

message: "Neither his stage victories nor his mauve jersey for winning the points classification have been awarded to other riders." I'll remove this statement, until someone provides a reliable source for it. Indeed, those stage victories were awarded by statisticians to the runners-up (e.g. Hushovd is credited with the win in stage 7 on most of his Wikipedia pages in different languages) and the mauve jersey was apparently given to Di Luca. --Christomir (talk) 19:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The CAS' decision was to strip Petacchi. It said nothing about promoting other riders. And there was no need to post this on three different talk pages. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 05:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Green-eyed girl. We need reliable sources to say that the victories were reawarded, otherwise it's original research. Sometimes, but not always, the victories are reawarded by the UCI later. Sometimes, victories aren't even stripped from a rider who is given a standard two-year ban so there is lots of variation - reawarding the victories is by no means the "standard" course of action. SeveroTC 09:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but I'm not writing anywhere in the article that the victories were reawarded, so I don't need to give you a source for that. But you guys do keep adding to the article the explicit statement that they weren't, so you need to give us a reliable source for that. I'm still waiting to see one and until then I'll remove that statement again. --Christomir (talk) 13:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's very difficult (and, um, pointless) to source a negative. But here, try these on for size:
[http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2008/petacchi_suspension_may08 The panel allowed him to "retain all competitive results between 23 May 2007 and 31 October 2007." That includes, among others, the two Vuelta a Espana stage wins and Paris-Tours.
Explicitly excluded from that, however, is the Giro. All results from the 2007 Giro and in races this season are also now forfeited, and his name is to be removed as winner. The panel specifically mentions for the Giro that he most forfeit "any medals, points and prizes", which likely includes the financial rewards.][
[http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=3383470  The CAS stripped Petacchi of his five stage wins in the 2007 Giro d'Italia and ruled the 34-year-old sprinter must serve a ban until the end of August.
The ruling relates to allegations Petacchi excessively used an asthma drug during the race.
"All competitive results obtained by Alessandro Petacchi during the 2007 Giro d'Italia shall be disqualified with all of the resulting consequences including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes," CAS said in a statement.
All of Petacchi's results since Oct. 31 will also be forfeited.]
[http://velonews.competitor.com/2008/05/road/cas-suspends-petacchi_75891 The court also ruled that all of Petacchi’s results from the 2007 Giro should be scratched from the record books.
“All competitive results obtained by Alessandro Petacchi during the 2007 Giro d’Italia shall be disqualified with all of the resulting consequences including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes,” the court ruled. “Alessandro Petacchi can retain all other competitive results between 23 May 2007 and 31 October 2007, but all competitive results obtained after 31 October 2007, and during the period of ineligibility will be disqualified.”]
Petacchi's five stage wins during the 2007 Giro have been annulled and he loses all prize money, but he can retain results obtained between May 23 2007 and Oct. 31 2007.
Reliable sources state that Petacchi's wins in this Giro have been stripped. They say nothing of awarding those wins to other riders. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 02:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Please compare this with your basis of saying that they have been awarded – other languages' Wikipedias. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 03:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not true!