Talk:Samadhi

message: I just came here to look at some good definitions of the concept of Samadhi, and what I encountered was an article that spent a huge amount of time going on about how Buddhists came up with it all and that was... completely unnecessary? It's like there's one or several editors here trying to prove the superiority of Buddhism, like it's some competition. For instance, in the section about Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, I expected to see what the Yoga Sutras say on Samadhi, not whether the techniques or the language were derived from Buddhist practices. That's the sort of thing that might be mentioned at the end of that section, if at all. There's just so much pointless Buddhist willy-waving here that it's not relevant to the discussion of Samadhi itself--all I get from this article is that wow, there's some Buddhist who's really desperate to prove himself, with some sort of power complex. And that's not NPOV. (Or very Buddhist, for that matter...) --Snowgrouse (talk) 09:32, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not NPOV yet 

message: Samadhi is usually translated as concentration. but it is misleading one who knows only English.the pali meaning is therefore not convinced properly. This may be due to initial mistake done by Thomas Rhys Davids 
samaadhi is (sinhala -චිත්තස්ස එකග්ගතා) unification of the mind ,cognitive consonance not the cognitive dissonance. 
#Actually  Samadhi needs (NIMITHTHA නිමිත්ත) where you focus your attention on ,not some thing outside ,
#withdrawal of attention from external things ,guarding the senses.
#And also guarding thoughts of  past ,future and present. 
#maintaince of concentration all the time on (NIMITHTHA නිමිත්ත).--RsEkanayake 02:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  More meaning for samaadhi  

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message: Even even ignoring the fact "mahāsamādhi" itself literally means "great samādhi", Mahāsamādhi reads:
: "According to this belief, a realized and enlightened (Jivanmukta), yogi (male) or yogini (female) who has attained the state of nirvikalpa samādhi, can consciously exit from their body and attain enlightenment, often while in a deep, conscious meditative state."
In context, the "deep, conscious meditative state" here is samādhi, which is explicitly mentioned earlier in the same sentence. Not only does it explicitly refer to samādhi, it refers to a particular form of it which is described with a subsection under  Samadhi#Hinduism which provides essential context absent from Mahāsamādhi. Further, the Mahāsamādhi is a stub and has been for over a decade, which clearly demonstrates it does not need a separate article. Thus, I suggest they be merged with Mahāsamādhi redirecting to an appropriate section of Samadhi. Scyrme (talk) 15:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: * Since no objections were raised, I've implemented this merge by restoring the redirect. Scyrme (talk) 22:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to merge Mahāsamādhi into Samādhi (Implemented) 

message: Aimlessness (Buddhism) is a neglected stub and has been so for years. Before my recent minor edits, it had last been edited in 2019. I think it qualifies as a redundant fork and so would be better merged into an appropriate subsection of Samadhi#Buddhism. The merge would also open up the option of properly covering the other two of the three forms of samādhi mentioned in Aimlessness (Buddhism).
Additionally, at present, Aimlessness (Buddhism) covers only the Zen/Thien Buddhist perspective, but this group of three forms of samādhi is also attested in the Madhyamaka and Tibetan Mahāyana Buddhist traditions where it seems to be very different from the interpretation described by the article/references in Aimlessness (Buddhism). (See: ) I think this must be reflected in the merge if/when it takes place. ie. Concentration on aimlessness (apraṇihita-samādhi) must not be sub-sectioned under Samadhi#Zen, or at least not entirely. Scyrme (talk) 01:42, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mind pings? Apologies if you do. I just thought you may be able to help here. Scyrme (talk) 01:43, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Pings are fine. Aimlessness may be WP:UNDUE for samadhi, other than mentioning it shortly. I'm not sure if aimlessness fits samadi; it also reminds me of dhyana and of Tathātā. Maybe that would be the correct approach: not ask what to do with the aimlessness article, but ask what's relevant for the samadhi-article. I think I'd leave the aimlessness-article for what it is, and concentrate on samadhi.  what do you think? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

text: I would merge, honestly not sure why there is an article for aimlessness, it doesn't seem to be doing much. It would be good to discuss the three samadhis under the main samadhi article. ☸Javierfv1212☸ 21:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why you think it might be undue weight. I don't see how it might compromise the neutrality of the article; if anything the Buddhist section of Samadhi currently relies heavily on Buddhaghosa's perspective (although I'm aware that Buddhagosa is to some extent an example of Theravada more broadly). Several Mahayana views are mentioned but they're not really described as Buddhagosa's perspective is. So it seems like adding another perspective would help with neutrality rather than detract from it. Samadhi as a whole currently leans a bit toward a Hindu perspective, so adding to the Buddhist side might help with neutrality on that front too. I also don't think apraṇihita-samādhi etc. count as a fringe or small minority view. It's evidently somewhat widespread in Buddhism, being discussed in the work of Nagarjuna and Thich Nhat Hanh, who are prominent figures in two distinct Buddhist traditions. Seems like a perspective that's worth including in the main article. It would be a better place for the topic of apraṇihita-samādhi than a separate article where it's removed from context and neglected as it has been until now. Scyrme (talk) 01:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   Do you still maintain an objection or are we now in agreement? Scyrme (talk) 00:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 03:38, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

text: I've now implemented this merge, with some additions to give some coverage to all three rather than only aimlessness. Scyrme (talk) 22:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Aimlessness (Buddhism)]] (Implemented)