Talk:Debbie Gibson

message: Mention of Tiffany may compensate for inadequacies in teen idol, but the place to address them is in that article, not here.  Moved here:
: , along with Tiffany in the late 1980s, 
--Jerzy•t 16:14, 2005 August 21 (UTC)
:For my still-in-beta rewrite (see User:B.C.Schmerker/Deborah Gibson (beta)#The Atlantic Years, 1986—1994), I saw the information on Tiffany (singer) as needful to provide context for Deborah Gibson's situation as of the Dream Tour, since Atlantic Records and MCA Records were locking themselves into a teen-princess sales race that would decide whether Gibson would even get an album in the first place.  Recommend expansion of the appropriate section of Teen idol with detail of the record labels' stakes in teen-star success. - B.C.Schmerker 05:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deborah Gibson & Tiffany 

message: The following phrasing is suspect:
she played Sandy in a West End production of Grease.  To go with her stage performance, she also helped record the soundtrack for the play, titled "Grease:  The Original London Cast Recording".
From that CD, came a hit single with Craig McLachlan: "You're the One That I Want", which reached #13 on the UK charts in 1993.''
It sounds like a fanboy trying to make the feat sound more impressive than it is. Cast Recordsings of musicals, especially successful ones, are nothing new. It's not a "soundtrack for the play." I'm going to reword this. Pacian 09:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're reading to much into the original wording.  You can call it soundtrack for the play, because that's literally what it is.  You're wording says the literally same thing, so I'm not changing it.  It's really no big deal.  --Rob 09:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: From what I have seen of record-label behavior, the "new" version of "You're the One That I Want" was almost certainly intended as a promotional aid for the album Grease - Original London Cast Recording.  RSO did the same thing with the Olivia Newton-John/John Travolta single in the late 1970's. - B.C.Schmerker 14:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grease 

message: The entries in this section should have a reference like any other fact added to a Wikipedia article. I've been working on another article Enola Gay where the "Enola Gay in Pop Culture" section has been flooded with entries by unregistered users who don't adequately explain what the relation is between the entry and the article. 
If anyone has a take on this, please let me know. Davidpdx 13:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk pages are for discussing improvements to articles, not for general discussion. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:56, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia Section 

message: I don't remember hearing about this, but I have a friend who insists he can pull out the issue that he has...somewhere. Anybody know about this? I am skeptical.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Air Pirate (talk • contribs) 12:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playboy? 

message: I've seen it somewhere, I don't remember where and I don't know if you can find the source credible...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.20.112.46 (talk) 13:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Was she known to be Jewish? I always thought Debbie (Deborah) Gibson was of Jewish parentage, and she admitted to observe Judaism on biographical accounts. She should be included in the category Jewish American vocal artists, along with Madonna, Carole King, Carly Simon and Paula Abdul. + 71.102.7.77 (talk) 06:20, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part Italian? 

message: I am currently drafting a rewrite and need some information not on the archive at Deb.org/discography, as follows:  (a) Catalog numbers, release dates and chart zeniths for M.Y.O.B., "What You Want" (maxi-single), "Your Secret" (maxi-single), "M.Y.O.B." (maxi-single), Colored Lights: The Broadway Album, "Naked" (single and/or maxi-single), "Famous" (single and/or maxi-single); (b) Track titles and durations for all releases from "What You Want" to "Famous."  GIF's of album covers for M.Y.O.B. and Colored Lights: The Broadway Album, plus all known singles and maxi-singles, would be appreciated (fair use).  Please post the above data, plus links to suitable GIF's, to User talk:Schmerker120#Discography_addenda. - B.C.Schmerker 05:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: I have updated the External Links section from a beta rewrite project to correct unsourced-statement issues (see #Overall above) and added a discography/filmography summary, Template:Deborah Gibson, to the Article.  Recommend further cleanup to address pre-existing issues. - B.C.Schmerker 06:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update information 

message: I have to object to the section Upcoming news,performances,events,projects—the procedures resemble a now-deleted "working title" article I did back in May 2007 for an album which I understand to be in the early stages of production as of 03:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Upcoming news, performances, events, projects 

message: I found the current Personal Life section too terse for an encyclopedia.  I don't yet have all the references for my beta rewrite under construction, but it should give other Editors a better idea of a Manual of Style-compliant layout. - B.C.Schmerker 06:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Personal Life 

message: Does anyone else find that the titles of each section in this article read like a teenybopper magazine? I mean, "Pop Princess"? "Broadway Starlet"? This does not read encyclopedic at all. I'm going to change it to something that's not as POV. Any help or suggestions in improving the tone of this article would be great. MgCupcake 03:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice the same problem rather consistently.  I have a rewrite in the works (Main Article: User:B.C.Schmerker/Deborah Gibson (beta)) but it's still short of reference data as of this post; it may give you a good example of a Manual of Style-compliant layout, however. - B.C.Schmerker (talk) 17:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone of Article

message: I have an expanded Navbox Musical artist under construction, which includes several additional Groups over the present Template:Deborah Gibson to address the full extent of Gibson's projects in music and musical theatre (Main Template: User:B.C.Schmerker/Nav boxes/Debbie Gibson (beta)); I referred to my beta rewrite for more accurate date data than this Article has had in recent months for the Musicals group (Main Article: User:B.C.Schmerker/Deborah Gibson (beta)).  What amendments are suggested from reviewers of this Article?  B. C. Schmerker (talk) 01:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beta Navbox 

message: I seem to recall quite clearly that on DG's first album (actually, that folded paper inside the cassette tape) her birthname was listed as DEBRITA, not Deborah (she changed it to Deborah as a teenager, and then went by Debbie).  I have yet to google it, but I'm sure I'll find it somewhere. 72.179.53.150 (talk) 04:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I happen to have a copy of Atlantic CS 81780-4, and in fact Deborah is correct in the abbreviated liner notes.  Most likely Debrita is a manufacturing defect that slipped past WEA Manufacturing's quality control.  B. C. Schmerker (talk) 08:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DG's birth name 

message: Anonymous editors keep adding that Gibson's home is in foreclosure and she's rumored to be bankrupt.  The only apparent source fore this is perezhilton.com and blogs.  Some newspapers have reported that perez hilton is saying so, but not the actual foreclosure.  I have no problem with this being included if it's cited to an actual WP:RS, but until then, it's one big-ass WP:BLP violation. TJRC (talk) 02:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The only quasi-concurring reference that I've run across is a blog page "Deborah Gibson Taking Hit in Hollywood" at RealEStalker.Blogspot.com, which is referred to in the online news page "Rep:  Debbie Gibson's Home Not In Foreclosure" at omg! at Yahoo!  According to the latter article, David I. Salidor, who has been Gibson's press rep since the 1980's, denies the RealEStalker allegation.  Blogs do not qualify as reliable sources under current policy.  Who has further evidence either way?  B. C. Schmerker (talk) 05:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Her own webpage says "“In response to the recent rumors and speculation regarding Deborah Gibson selling her Hollywood Hills home, Ms. Gibson has made the decision to sell for both business and personal reasons. She currently splits her time between two homes and will now be making her primary residence with her boyfriend. The market is such that investments in homes purchased several years ago are not paying out as expected. That, coupled with losses in the stock market, has forced many entertainers to scale back.” (found here. There is no mention of foreclosure, and without a reliable source, we can't let that be placed on the page. Tabercil (talk) 22:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've semi-protected the article for a period of two weeks. This has gone on for far too long. If the anon user insists on repeating these allegations without providing a cast-iron third-party source, he/she will be reverted and blocked on sight. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It will continue to go up. Under various cloaked IP  adressess using Tenebril's Ghost surf. You are out of luck. You can't block them all, GAME OVER.- Phil.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.59.104.40 (talk) 19:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So, we may need to keep it semi-protected longer until the IP editors' attention span is exceeded. TJRC (talk) 21:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreclosure allegations 

message: I question whether information on star-stalkers should be provided in Wikipedia.
1) At a guess, many or most stars have stalkers. (As do many other people.) I.e., having a stalker is not especially unusual. Except in extraordinary situations -- say, someone is assaulted by a stalker and conviced in court -- there's nothing exceptional about someone being infatuated with someone else.
2) What is a "stalker"? If one has stars living in their area, and is very persistent trying to get the autograph of someone they respect ... and the star gets spooked ... does that make the other person a stalker? Does the fact that a local newspaper reports an incident dismissed after police investigation make it Wiki-notable?
3) Adding this information encourages more stalkers. Giving specific stalkers publicity in Wikipedia may encourage them. It may also encourage other stalkers to "see their name in print".
Sincerely, Piano non troppo (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Stalkers

message: Only part of the set of sources needed the Subsection cited are available as of 3 November 2015.  The Billboard Magazine Hot 100 for 1988 confirms "Foolish Beat" (Atlantic/WMG single 89109) as #1 on 25 June 1988.  The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers has a Songwriter of the Year archive Webpage confirming Gibson and Bruce Springsteen co-winners for 1989.  Be advised that, as of 3 November 2015, the New York Music Awards Website is in redesign and the 1989 and 1990 Winners pages are not yet constructed. - B. C. Schmerker (talk) 03:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Awards and Achievements 

message: "The promotional pressing of "Only in My Dreams" landed the song within the Billboard Hot 100."
I thought the Billboard charts were based on sales. If that is correct a promo pressing, which is only distributed to radio stations and the like, would have zero sales and thus not chart in Billboard. It makes more sense if Atlantic released the tune as a single and it resulted in sales that placed it in the Hot 100. I have not checked the cites to see what they say specifically. If someone wants to check this out to verify, great. I'll look into the issue myself when time permits and edit if needed. Thanks!THX1136 (talk) 19:47, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Did a check at Billboard to find the criteria for the Hot 100 ratings. It appears they use a combination of sales, radio airplay and, currently, streaming stats. My thoughts are still that it is possible the songs ranking on the Hot 100 may not be purely on the strength of the airplay. I'll see what I can find.THX1136 (talk) 14:00, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Checked the cites and they only verify the chart position of the song, no mention of that position being only on airplay. A further complication is the paragraph then implies that on the strength of the 'promotional pressing' Atlantic signed Gibson and began work on the first album. That seems completely backward. Gibson would have had to be signed with Atlantic before the promo would have been pressed and distributed. I'm doing an edit to reflect this without cites as I do not have the time at this moment to dig further into the matter. THX1136 (talk) 14:11, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Decided to take the time and found a cite for the info. Off topic: IMDB is not considered a reliable source by Wikipedia for citing info, FYI.THX1136 (talk) 14:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promo pressing claim/Billboard 

message: She was born in Brooklyn which it can be found on her Twitter page. The source first can be found on Astro-Databank and a link to her tweet appears on the "Source Notes" section so that anyone can look at. Arieledits2000 (talk) 16:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth