Talk:Ska-P

message: someone care to make an Operación Triunfo page? eh? Lockeownzj00 21:43, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: theres clearly examples of opinion in this article, so tell me what you think of the edits im going to make
p.s ive never heard of this band im just making the article itself less POV
This article has been demonstrating few neutrality on what regards the bands political views. Although the position is not clear the writer(s) appears to be against these leftist ideas, specially because the article sticks to the point of them and who are against them. Sumarizing, I don't believe the article is neutral. What do you guys think? --El Chemaniaco 20:57, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  neutrality of the article 

message: Why did you cut out the descriptions for each song? I wrote these and I am offended. I would NEVER do this for any other band except a political one. I wrote about the songs because they are relevant. PLEASE return them to their former state or I will. If neutrality is an issue, we can compromise. Lockeownzj00 21:56, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the hell? 

message: Hi, plese could anybody tell me something about the riots or demonstrations which this song relates to? Thanks.
Google Song Meanings Blckhawk1234 (talk) 20:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval Xixón 

message: Instead of the explanation of all these songs, why not adding a website, in the external links, where it traduce them? Those who don't understand spanish will be able to and will interpret by themself the lyrics...Or you can put some explanations, of the most representative songs in this page and also apply my idea... Do what you want to do, but if you don't add a website where it traduces lyrics, these wikipage will be really incomplete and not enough usefull for the strong majority who don't speak spanish.
:It's pretty hard to turn up even a well-done transcription of the Spanish, never mind a competent translation.  Anyway, song lyrics translated from Spanish would either lose a lot of the message or just seem stupid because they'd have no meter or rhyme.  —Casey J. Morris 22:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I would tend to disagree about the difficulties regarding translating Ska-P lyrics. Their lyrics are very clear and to-the-point, they don't precisely beat about the bush, do they? As for any puns or other plays on words, a simple explanation would suffice. I really like the idea of translating this stuff as a wiki thing - i.e., everyone adding his/her own shades of meaning to the ongoing translation. Moreover, I personally feel that we owe it to them to spread the word!
Can't make up my mind about the best place to do so, but there are loads of pages dedicated to individual songs - does anyone know what the official wiki procedure is? But I reckon a page for each album, with a tracklist and a brief synopsis of each, which over time could be extended to include the full translation of the lyrics. 
Looking forward to feedback. ¡Seguimos en pie!  83.180.191.69 23:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  translating lyrics 

message: While I agree with the broad wiki policy of not converting these pages into general chats, I think we can be bit more flexible when it comes to explaining finer points relating to article content. So, in answer to the question of what the Xixón song is about: Gijón, to give its Spanish name, is an important town on the north coast of Spain, and was, certainly in the 60s and 70s, one of the country's most important shipyards. Successive attempts to restructure the industry in the region have led to the local population, already hard hit by restructuring in the coal industry, taking to the streets in their (tens of?) thousands. With the corresponding reaction from the authorities. Which is what the song is all about. If you go to the corresponding wiki page Gijón you'll get a nice touristy version (which makes f-all reference to the shipyards!). Ska-P does it again! 83.191.55.91 21:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  chatting on this talk page 

message: See a reference to someone deleting someone else's song descriptions, so in order not to enter into any kind of wikifight, I have started a draft synopsis for each song on the corresponding talk page of each album, rather than within the article itself, pending a clear and unanimous wiki decision on this mattter. In the case of Ska-P, as opposed to many other performers, groups, etc., the lyrics are central to their very reason for being and should, in my opinion, be made available in some form or another, to those people who are not Spanish-speaking. 83.191.85.245 10:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  song synopsis 

message: will delete the reference to hypocritical lyrics. Whether one agrees or not with the lyrics is irrelevant. Wikipedia does not have opinions. The only legitimate place for us to express our opinions is on the talk page. 193.27.9.131 12:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  neutrality issues - again 

message: Further to having started a song synopsis for each album (please contribute), I would like to propose deleting the song list on this article page. Kinda takes up a lot of space and seems irrelevant unless linked to an album. The links to each album (with the corresponding track synopsis) I reckon suffice. PS. I wish I could have seen Lockeownz' descriptions for each song. Propose that when things get deleted, they get transferred to the talk page as an unofficial reference. 83.191.75.5 22:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  proposal 

message: 1. I see that someone has, once again (and anonymously) deleted text from the article page, without giving any reasons or without pasting the deleted text on this page (as per my humble suggestion) for others to see what was supposedly so objectionable. 
2. As regards the translation of lyrics mentioned above somewhere, I requested guidelines from other Wikipedia editors and the opinion was unanimous that it is not possible for copyright reasons (it is acceptable to quote directly a line or two).
3. My request for information did not include the possibility of the song synopsis, but as one editor pointed out, original research is not part of Wikipedia, and I suppose song synopsis would come under that category. On the other hand, maybe the original research reference only refers to content on the article page and not on the discussion page. Does anyone know? Technopat 11:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: above proposal and others 

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message: I forgot to log in but hey I translated the Spanish page's "History" section for this page.  Hope it's helpful.  Casey J. Morris (talk) 23:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History

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message: the last controversy regarding an alleged "contrast" between anarchy and support of Chavez's goverment cannot be considered a real controversy. In fact, although to some people it may seem so, in the Spanish (and also Italian, Mediterranean, ecc) social and political culture, anarchy and socialism are pretty related and close each other for their stances in favour of people, independence, opposition to imperialism, capitalism, ecc... As you can see, in the already quoted song España va bién they say:
"...Queremos igualdad en anarkia y fraternidad. / A la tumba de Durruti nos vamos a emborrachar / buscando la manera de poder resucitar / Ideas anarquistas que le entreguen al pueblo el poder...", combining anarchy and socialist-marxist values. This is also due to the fact that during the Spanish civil war anarchist unions (POUM) were side by side with socialists and communists (although with the latter conflicts insurged later) in fighting against Franco's troops. Chavez is therefore seen as liberator after years of dictatorship, neoliberalism and invasive American foreign policies in the country. So, even if to a non-Spanish (or non-Italian) reader/editor this can seem a controversy, it is actually NOT, once given the social, political, cultural background. I would remove it if there are no disagreements.--Desyman44 (talk) 16:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just FYI that part was entirely from the Spanish version of the page Casey J. Morris (talk) 04:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but how do you know the person who wrote it is spanish? Anyway the non-existence of controversy comes also from the fact that in several interviews they declared to be very left-wing. So I do not see why it should be such a strange thing they support Chavez.--Desyman44 (talk) 20:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not really married to the idea; I just translated the article for kicks.  Nevertheless, I would imagine it's because whatever you might think of Chávez he is not an anarchist and so you can see how someone would see that as a departure for the band that recorded songs explicitly endorsing anarchy.  The larger point, I think, is that a lot of people are suspicious that Ska-P's political views are more calculated to make a buck than sincere.  Casey J. Morris (talk) 02:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  controversies? 

message: I don't want to go into a debate whethere this band qualifies as anarchist or not. This is already debated here and Wikipedia pretty muchs categorizes anybody who self-proclaims to be something.
But.. Anarcho-Punk? No way... anybody has anything to say before i remove them from the :Category:Anarcho-punk groups
--Elefectoborde (talk) 01:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anarcho-Punks? 

message: Shouldn't it be pointed out more clearly, that by all "anarchism", "anti-establishmentarism" and "nonconformity", they are still on a major label ? It is mentioned in the infobox, but in my opinion, i should get mention in the article itself too, because it leads their political views a little bit ad absurdum. 84.134.52.124 (talk) 04:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Label 

message: May an admin please remove the forwarding from 99% (Ska-P album)? I would do an article about the new album, to be found in my name space ([User:Saemikneu/99_(Ska-P_album)]. Saemikneu (talk) 23:19, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New album 

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