Talk:Dorothy (opera)

message: I don't have access to a copy of the libretto at the moment.  The best sources are the two or three plot summaries already floating about online at sites like the Gilbert & Sullivan archive.  I'd rather not be the one to have to paraphrase someone else's summary, though.  Anyone else up to it?  Or perhaps they have a libretto or have seen the DVD that's floating about? --Anivron 07:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Synopsis Needed

message: Should the article point out that Lillian Russell played the title role in the US production?  Any other notable cast members?  --Ssilvers 14:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not agree that Cook was particularly notable.  His most notable role seems to have been this one in Dorothy.  With DOC, he was just in touring companies.  He didn't create roles at the Savoy.  But, if you want to list him, fine.  I think there are probably over 100 Savoyards who I could argue were more notable than cook (there are over 2,000 listed in the Who's Who).  --Ssilvers 12:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: OK.  Note that the cast you had put up was not even the original cast--it was the reconstituted cast, after the production had moved under Leslie's management.  So it's a little complicated for this show.  Also, most of the cast are not notable, and I wonder whether it makes sense to start adding cast lists for all these Victorian British musicals.  It would require a huge amount of work, and I really think we don't want to go down that road.  I'm trying to take the point of view of a person who doesn't know the show.  What do they want to know:  1.  Synopsis; 2. Some background, including maybe the most notable, linked artists; 3. What were the most famous songs from the show; 4. Links to Midis, additional info etc.  I don't think there can be a link death problem with any of these shows:  These pages with the midi files and cast lists are not going anywhere.  Coles has put together a website that should survive even his death.  --Ssilvers 12:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Google searches are turning up about half notable in that list. For instance. So... What should we do? User:Vanished user 12:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I do not agree that they are notable.  As I said above, there are over 2,000 savoyards in the Who's who.  I have done a few dozen articles, but look at Marie Tempest's bio.  She's notable!  --Ssilvers 12:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: With the vast explosion of material on the web, the outcome of a google search does not demonstrate that someone is "notable." Obviuosly, if someone fails to turn up on google, it's a sure bet that they're not notable. But a lot of mentions on the web doesn't mean that a useful article can be written about them. I agree with Ssilvers that there are probably a 100 or more Savoyards with more distinguished careers than Cook's. The article is much better without trying to put the cast into the list of roles. If it's worth doing at all, I would make a separate section, as we have done for the Savoy operas. Marc Shepherd 13:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast lists

message: If someone could just expand the synopsis a little, this article would be B-class.  -- Ssilvers 02:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Synopsis again

message: *Revivals: I cannot find any reference to revivals of Dorothy after 1908, having searched in the archives of The Times, The Manchester Guardian, The Observer, The Daily Express and The Daily Mirror. Is there a citation for the statement in the article that the piece "enjoyed numerous revivals until about 1940"? 
:this says that since 1940 revivals have been rare.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to revise appropriately.  Of course, there have been quite a few amateur revivals too, as a Google search will show.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Nell Gwynne was produced at Prince's Theatre, Manchester; 17 October 1876 (24 perfs). http://www.musicaltheatreguide.com/composers/cellier/alfred_cellier.htm   See this: http://books.google.com/books?id=_coUAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA2-PA13&lpg=RA2-PA13&dq=%22Alfred+Cellier%22+%22Nell+Gwynne%22&source=bl&ots=V_-oykv3DQ&sig=xBQBtpOW5Vv7Pf_dL-Q-Id7VIxQ&hl=en&ei=LALeSdCNMqPulQeWv9GgDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3   See also this: https://www.gsarchive.net/whowaswho/L/LavernePattie.htm   Of course, obituaries are necessarily written in haste, often based on what the family tells the reporter....  -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops! You're quite right, and I ought to have checked in The Manchester Guardian archives, where it is duly recorded (23 October 1876, p. 8). One is all too prone to assume that all Victorian (and later) theatre happened in London. Peccavi Tim riley (talk) 15:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Later: done. The Times 1908 reviewer was correct. Tim riley (talk) 09:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queries 

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