Talk:Bodo–Kachari people

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message: There is a problem in statement related first publication of Bodo word. Martin Montgomery(1838) in The history, antiquities, topography, and statistics of eastern India writes that Proper name of Kacharis is Boro.(page 549) 2409:4065:8D:ED9F:106:B716:BEBA:D92A (talk) 05:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hodgson wasn't first person to publish Bodo

message: I tried to clarify the doubts but Chaipau want to keep the article confusing and he repeatedly add confusing word. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bodo-Kachari_peoples&diff=954659882&oldid=954656669 Logical Man 2000 (talk) 17:27, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: you are trying to define Bodo as only Boro.  This is not correct.  There is enough evidence to show that Hogdson called the "Mech and Kachari" as Bodo.  This is clearly mentioned by Grierson and accepted by other authors.  But all those who are called Kachari do not accept this appellation.  The example is Dimasa, as Bathari has reported.  The Boro are a dominant ethnic group and the smaller ethnic communities resent this.  So Wikipedia cannot support your Boro-centric non-WP:NPOV definitions and edits. Chaipau (talk) 17:55, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dimasa were never Boro. Hodgson use Bodo for Boro people , this is the reason Dimasa don't like Bodo umbrella term.  Bodo is just linguistic umbrella term. You're making things complicated. Etymology deals with history of the word. So, You've to write how this term originate and become umbrella term. It's simple Logical Man 2000 (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: paggal panti 103.184.170.209 (talk) 11:16, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:   Content removed by Chaipau 

message: Bodo-Kachari people means Bodo people and Bodo-Kachari people is forceful imposition of name on Dimasa, Sonowal, Thengal, Chutiya etc 2409:4065:E8B:F90B:8DCA:E2FC:BA64:47C (talk) 20:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Chutiya, Dimasa aren't Bodo

message: Change the title to Bodo-Kachari language group 2409:4065:E8B:F90B:8DCA:E2FC:BA64:47C (talk) 20:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Change the title

message: The word Bodo-Kachari is currently used only to address the Bodo/Boro tribe. This group of tribes is known as 'Kachari' both by the Assam Govt & the Indian Govt, similar to the word 'Tani' of Arunachal & Assam (wiki- Tani people). 
The word 'Bodo' was used during the colonial era (British Raj) to address all the Kachari tribes of the region, but back then Boro/Bodo people were known as Mech-Kachari, refer to any old census of Assam for further proof. Now Mech-Kacharis are known as Bodo-Kacharis. And other Kachari groups are not considered as Bodo-Kacharis. So to avoid confusion between Bodo/Boro Kachari(a specific tribe) & Kachari(group of tribes), rename this wiki page to 'Kachari'  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tizen03 (talk • contribs) 09:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: * I partially agree with you, but this group of peoples is defined as those speaking the Boro-Garo languages.  That is why the hyphenated name.  In the literature you do find the use of "Bodo" to denote this super-group too.  Look at Chatterjee's Kirata-jana-kriti.  That is why we have a hyphenated name here. Chaipau (talk) 10:58, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

text: *Furthermore, The Twipra people are not historically called Kachari.  But I am open to suggestions Chaipau (talk) 11:31, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

text: *Also, the Boro people are called either "Boro" or "Borokachari" in Census. Chaipau (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Bodo-Kachari or Bodo supergroup isn't name of people. It is an umbrella name for different ethnic group. Remove the suffix "peoples" 2409:4065:E0A:E018:5006:5ED5:9521:41C7 (talk) 12:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree that the term was used to address all the Kachari tribes, but it was during the colonial era when the Boro/Bodo tribe was known as Mech-Kachari. Currently Bodo-Kachari only means the Bodo/Boro tribe.  No other Kachari tribe would identity as a Bodo-Kachari except for the Bodos/Boros.  If both Assam & Indian Govt use the term Kachari, there's no problem in renaming the page into that.  Moreover the word "Bodo" as an alternative name also exist in the article. So renaming the title of this page won't harm anything.  There's another identical page here in Wikipedia by the name "Boro people", which a few months earlier too was "Bodo Tribe".  Tizen03 (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Though I agree, renaming the article "Kachari peoples" would mean a different scope—because we cannot possibly include Garo people and Twipra people in Kachari, because they were never known as Kachari.  "Kachari peoples" then would mean only those peoples in Assam, since it is only in Assam we have "Kachari" peoples. I do not think there exists any other Kachari people in anywhere else. Chaipau (talk) 13:59, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

text: Furthermore, we should consider only "Kachari peoples" not 'Kachari people", because there are different communities here.  We should not use "tribe" because irrespective of its use in the Indian constitution, anthropologically it is a loaded and controversial term.  Chaipau (talk) 14:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

text: we are using "peoples" here instead of "people" — much in the same way it is used in other articles (e.g. Indo-Aryan peoples, Dravidian peoples etc.). Chaipau (talk) 19:50, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

text: The specific tribe is Boro people.  Peoples, such as the Chutia people are often called "Bodo" (Shin 2020).  But I agree, the title should have "peoples" not "people".  Chaipau (talk) 11:16, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

text: Yes.  But look here: Bodo-Kachari_people#cite_note-jacobnote-4. Chaipau (talk) 11:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the title of the page from 'Bodo-Kachari' to 'Kachari People'.  

message: What is this article all about ? Is this representing the "Bodo race" coined by Hodgson ?  Is this representing the Boro-Garo language speakers ? Neither Bodo nor Kachari represent all the groups represented by this at present , instead Bodo , Kachari and Bodo-Kachari represent specific communities. Can somebody clarify ? KPAhmed (talk) 03:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguous Bodo-Kachari 

message: Endle should not be used because Endle is not WP:RS.  It was a book published in 1911, written by a priest and edited by P R Gurdon, a British officer.  Please look at WP:RAJ. Chaipau (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endle 

message: why are you trying to make the "Origins" section about the language?  This section is not about the origins of the language but the people.  And the origins of this people is in a multilingual society that spoke Tibeto-Burman as well as Austroasiatic.  Chaipau (talk) 10:01, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your question doesn't make any sense. This group is connected to proto-Boro-Garo language speakers and all of your citations come from Boro-Garo language papers. Your additions are mostly hypotheses. You should divide the group into two parts - Easter Boro-Garo and Western Boro-Garo as Jaqquesson did.  isn't proved. Also, Genetic doesn't support this. I am writing about Bodo-Kacharis, not Austroasiatic. They may or mayn't be part of Bodo-Kacharis. Which of my edit isn't for Bodo-Kachari ? Northeast heritage (talk) 10:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course not, the people of this group speak Boro-Garo as well as Assamese.  And the evidence is pretty glaring that AA formed a strong component of this group. Chaipau (talk) 11:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: Kachari-Koch peoples or Bodo-Koch peoples Northeast heritage (talk) 05:52, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: We will wait till these names gain currency in reliable sources.  Chaipau (talk) 03:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To my knowledge, Damant, Burling, DeLancey, Jaquesson, Driem and Hazarika have already used Bodo-Koch/Garo. Northeast heritage (talk) 05:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The linguists have used the name Boro-Garo languages to classify a collection of languages.  This is the preferred spelling now among the linguists.  But this article is about peoples.  And many of the people here do not speak Boro-Garo languages.  Such as the Morans.  And the Rajbanshis. Chaipau (talk) 12:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I know about all these things. Bodo-Koch (Damant's Kachari-Koch , Gait's Bodo) represent the group of peoples who speak or used to speak any of the Boro-Garo languages. The modern approach to classify peoples is based on linguistic studies. Probably Austronesier can guide on this topic. I just wanted to provide this reference to improve the article. I am signing off. Northeast heritage (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: A better nomenclature

message: The term bodo-kachari or bodos is used to denote a perticular tribe bodo or the boros who speaks the bodo/boro language. The other tribes of assam doesn't consider themself as bodos as they don't speak the same language nor wear the attire. 
Bodo/boro is a different tribe then the Dimasa, Sonowal, tiwa,deori etc. Jagat deuri (talk) 19:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true.  Look at Bodo%E2%80%93Kachari_people#cite_note-jacobnote-1, and please read the article closely.  Wikipedia makes a distinction between Bodo and Boro.  Bodo is the larger composite group, as the citation claims, and Boro is the name of a specific group.  And nowhere in the article is it implied that the other groups are Boro.  In fact it is mentioned in the lad itself that the groups may or may not have a common ancestor.  Chaipau (talk) 03:19, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  But the suggestion is good, if we can find some recent authors using this name.  Chaipau (talk) 23:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please change the title to Greater-Kacharis of assam.