Talk:Yeshua/Jesus

message: The Catholic Encyclopedia entry for the name Jesus says that church fathers (Clement and Cyril)  considered Jesus to be a name of Greek origin,  not Hebrew.   For balance Wikipedia should also include this fact in the first paragraph of the article here on Jesus where the origin of the name Jesus is treated. 72.186.213.96 22:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At this point, this could be deleted as trolling. However, I will remind you that WP:UNDUE does not allow this, and your interpretation of the sources is utterly flawed. You can click the link and read the policy yourself, but given your own misreading of the sources in the matter, I dread how you might interpret this policy as well. As it stands, I will no longer be replying to you, for the reasons listed in the section above.--C.Logan 22:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Catholic Encyclopedia trumps you anytime. 72.186.213.96 22:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The rest of the Catholic Encyclopedia and the majority of scholarship trumps you anytime. But if you wish to continue to argue your case, I suggest heading over to Etymology of the name "Jesus" instead. bibliomaniac15 A straw poll on straw polls 01:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cyril and Clement belong  where Wikipedia discusses the origin of the name Jesus and that place is precisely in the first paragraph of Wikipedia'a article on Jesus. 72.186.213.96 03:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: and I will remind both of you about WP:CIVILBalloonman 04:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic Encyclopedia says Jesus is Greek Name 

message: I question the translation of the Hebrew, Yehoshua, as Ya is salvation.  In his new translation of Psalms, noted Bible scholar Robert Alter translates Yehoshua as God is Victorious or God Rescues.  In a recent review of the book, literary critic James Wood notes that in the Hebrew Bible there is no notion of "salvation" in the Christian sense.  I have no doubt that Christians view Jesus as their savior.  But I am highly skeptical of anachronistic translations.  Could we say, that the Hebrew means something like, "God rescues" but is conventionally glossed by Christians as "God is salvation?"  That seems more NPOV to me (and more informative). Slrubenstein   |  Talk 13:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't object to the change, but I also don't think it's necessary for the reasons you have claimed it is.  The phrase 'God rescues' and 'God is salvation' are semantically identical.  Rescuer/savior is one who rescues/saves.  These words mean the same thing as deliverer when a deliverer delivers from harm.  The Hebrews very clearly would have had an idea of God rescuing/delivering/saving from something.  That the Christians decided God rescues from death is incidental.Jstanierm 20:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew translation 

message: This article looks good and has sources for it's claims. Wayne (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The link no longer exists - it's a dead domain. 75.135.101.158 (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 13:57, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The History of the Name “JESUS” 

message: Using Simple6,74 English7,74 Gematria8,74 with 'the key'74 of A=1, B2, C3... Y'shua=74=Y25+S19+H8+U21+A1, Joshua=74=J10+O15+S19+H8+U21+A1, Iesous=73/88=I9+E5+S19+O(15)+U21+S19, IESVS=74=I9+E5+S19+V22+S19, Jesus=74=J10+E5+S19+U21+S19. See GOD=7_4 Theory at http://GOD704.wikia.com . 2601:580:10D:EF96:CC3F:B744:1947:9328 (talk) 14:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Y'shua=74, Joshua=74, Iesous=73/88, IESVS=74, Jesus=74, GOD=7_4