Talk:List of municipalities in Tennessee

message: I recently added an article for Palmersville, Tennessee which I created, but I can't seem to find any info regarding the town's population as noted in the entry in this List article. Could someone please update that? --TommyBoy 20:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Palmersville Population

message: Tennessee has some cities and towns that cross county lines (that is, the city is partially within 2 or more counties), but the table here identifies only one county for each city or town. For accuracy, Wikipedia needs to identify the additional counties for places that include (but are not limited to) the following:
: Goodlettsville
: Kingsport
: Lake City
: Oak Ridge
: Oliver Springs
: Ridgetop
: Spring Hill
--orlady 06:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For each city we currently list the primary county, per census records. If you have a comprehensive list of all multi-county cities in Tennessee, feel free to update the table. Kaldari 09:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The authoritative comprehensive list of incorporated municipalities is in the Tennessee Blue Book, specifically at http://www.state.tn.us/sos/bluebook/05-06/48-data.pdf (more authoritative than the Census Bureau). --orlady 16:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Multi-county cities

message: In the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of cities and towns in Tennessee, a question was raised regarding the article title. 
In a nutshell: Since there is no discernible difference between a "city" and a "town" in Tennessee and the scope of "cities and towns" boils down to "incorporated municipalities," why not call the article List of incorporated municipalities in Tennessee or even just List of municipalities in Tennessee (since municipalities are, by definition, incorporated)? 
I can argue this one either way. On the one hand, these are most commonly known as "cities and towns" and are officially defined as "cities and towns" under state law, suggesting that the name should remain "cities and towns." On the other hand, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and "incorporated municipalities" is an accurate generic term for what these places are... 
What do the rest of y'all think?
--Orlady (talk) 05:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I think we need to avoid any jargon in article titles. I know a lot of people would not consider "incorporated municipalities" as jargon, but you would be surprised how many people have no idea what that means. Kaldari (talk) 18:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I just now changed the header for the list part of the article from "Municipalities" (inserted by Circeus) back to "List of incorporated cities and towns". Among other things, this makes the TOC more useful to people. --Orlady (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree with keeping the name as-is.  There's plenty of precedent in the cities and towns category for naming as such. -- Huntster T • @ • C 06:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title of article

message: I very stongly oppose renaming the list. Hey, Wikipedia is meant to also make you learn something. If it is necessary to already know and use words like unincorporated, municipality or generic to find what you are looking for, then we are all in the wrong place here. "Cities and towns", everyone can understand that. "Municipalities and incorporated communies", that's expert words. The casual reader at Wikipedia should take something home from the visit: New words, new knowledge, a new view of the topic, maybe, more than they came with, in the ideal case. No-one should be excluded from that knowledge just because they searched for "towns", instead of "municipalities". If you search for "towns and cities" you should find them, keep every title as simple as possible and as elaborate a necessary. Mention and explain the expert words in the text, so we can learn and know more after the visit than we knew before. Establish a redirect from the expert words title, if you believe someone types it in to search for it. 
If you are deep in the country and in need of fuel you don't ask the guy for the "least distant municipality in which a commercial gasoline dispenser is located", you ask for the "closest town with a gas station"  Keep it easy! Keep it easy! That is more fun and more learning for everyone. That's what Wikipedia is about. doxTxob \ talk 06:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I think we need to avoid any jargon in article titles. I know a lot of people would not consider "incorporated municipalities" as jargon, but you would be surprised how many people have no idea what that means. Kaldari (talk) 18:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I just now changed the header for the list part of the article from "Municipalities" (inserted by Circeus) back to "List of incorporated cities and towns". Among other things, this makes the TOC more useful to people. --Orlady (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree with keeping the name as-is.  There's plenty of precedent in the cities and towns category for naming as such. -- Huntster T • @ • C 06:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep it easy to understand

message: Using both a background color and a footnote cross to indicate county seat status seems redundant to me. Why don't we go with one or the other. I would vote for background color. Kaldari (talk) 15:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As it happens, the combination of background color and dagger to indicate county seats is a feature that was added by Circeus to enhance the list quality, as discussed at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of cities and towns in Tennessee. I also found the combination odd, but since I am an outmoded old fogey who still finds words more meaningful than colors as a method for communication, I figured that my opinions on this matter probably are outmoded. {wink} (I also am conditioned to look for notes at the bottom of a table, not above the headings. On the whole, I prefer using asterisks, and placing notes at the bottom of the table.) More importantly, though, since Tennessee's county seats are one focus of another list and this list doesn't even have all of the county seats (Blountville being missing because it is unincorporated), I wonder if highlighting the county seats with color doesn't give undue emphasis to this characteristic. If I were choosing one thing in this table to highlight with color, I probably would choose to indicate the "tiny towns" whose charters were rescinded (Hickory Withe, Helenwood, Midtown, and Walnut Grove)... --Orlady (talk) 04:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  County Seats 

message: Originally posted on Kaldari's user talk page: The area data are a nice addition, but what was your source for the area data? (Not only do we need a citation, but we need a date. Some of these places have grown through annexation since the 2000 census.) --Orlady (talk) 03:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you notice any discrepancies between these numbers and the census numbers, please change them to the census numbers. I wish I had known about that census page so I could have just copied it instead! :) Kaldari 21:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Data source for Areas for Tennessee cities and towns 

message: OK this makes no sense to me. It says that Hartsville shares a consolidated city-county government with Trousdale County. However the two entities have separate populations and areas (unlike the 2 other consolidated city-counties in Tennessee). Did Hartsville consolidate their government after the 2000 census or something? Kaldari (talk) 01:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently the consolidation was post-Census. The effective date mentioned in the consolidated charter (link to MTAS website; may or may not work) is January 1, 2001. However, the Blue Book shows the same population for Hartsville in 2000 and 2005. It gives the city population in 2000 as 2,395 and the county population as 7,259. --Orlady (talk) 03:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think we should change it to the county area (which presumably would be the actual current area), or should we leave it at the 2000 figure to match the year of the population? Either way, we should probably add some kind of note to it. Kaldari (talk) 05:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for adding the (as of 2000) note to the area column. I like the idea of keeping it consistent with the populations. Kaldari 20:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The mystery of Hartsville 

message: I think we should provide a source for this statement. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the law allowing the incorporation was overturned, but that didn't necessarily mean that the incorporations themselves were overturned. It would be good to see a source that could clarify this. Kaldari 20:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The case challenging Three Way's charter was City of Humboldt v. Ballard, filed in Madison County. Unfortunately, the Madison County Court website doesn't offer access to decisions, and there is no mention of "City of Humboldt v. Ballard" anywhere on the web according to Google! Is it possible the case is still pending 7 years later?? Very mysterious. Kaldari 22:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the 2007 CERTIFIED POPULATION OF TENNESSEE INCORPORATED MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES, all of the 5 "Tiny Towns" now have a population of 0 except for Three Way, which has a 2007 population of 1,675. Since it looks like Three Way passed the 1,500 person threshold, maybe they were allowed to keep their charter. Kaldari 22:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Blue Book for 2011-12 shows Three Way as a municipality, with population at 1,709. --Orlady (talk) 22:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorporations ruled invalid 

message: The 2007 Census of Governments was just published. They list 347 municipalities in Tennessee, same as us. Just wanted to let everyone know that there weren't any discrepancies. Kaldari (talk) 16:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Census Bureau agrees with us 

message: I suppose this list needs to be updated for the 2010 census at some point. Kaldari (talk) 05:17, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, indeed. The individual articles also need to be updated. Tennessee was one of the very last states to have 2010 census data released. --Orlady (talk) 00:09, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Some update resources: 2011-12 Blue Book list (scroll to the end of the file); two Census files (they are slightly different in scope, but they have the same data):  and  --Orlady (talk) 22:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 update 

message: "Click on the double triangles at the top of a column to sort the table by that column."
I spent several moments reading the above and, noting that I failed to see any double triangles despite my new eyewear, tried randomly clicking in the top columnar box. What did I find? That one can click anywhere within such a box and get the column to sort the table by that column. So, I have edited the instruction to read:
"Click on the title box at the top of a column to sort the table by that column." 
It seemed like a better choice than editing it to read "Click on the invisible double triangles at the top of a column to sort the table by that column", which I briefly considered.  Irish Melkite (talk) 04:26, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 04:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The elusive double triangles 

message: Would it be possible or appropriate to change the above template to show a list of "municipalities" or "incorporated municipalities" or a combined section of "cities and towns" rather than one section with cities and another section with towns.
A city is a special type of corporation established and operating
under state law. There are 348 cities in Tennessee and each is
characterized as either a city or a town (in our state, there is no
legal distinction between the two). These cities and towns range
in size from Memphis (666,786), to Silerton (60), but three-fifths
of them (209 cities) are below 2,500 population. About 59% of
the state’s residents live in a city. ref-http://www.tennessee.gov/tacir/PDF_FILES/Taxes/State%20Shared%20Taxes04.pdf, pg xiv  ---  SLBohrman (talk) 00:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cities and Towns

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