Talk:English alphabet

message: A note in another W. article stated that a 25-letter English alphabet somehow excluded the letter "J". If this is factual, it should be added to the article; for I found no mention of a 25 word alphabet by searching for the number "25". Misty MH (talk) 15:56, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What article? There might be space for more discussion, or some clarification about the history of the alphabet, but I don't know if there was a notable 25-letter English alphabet. If you read the article, it says "The letters u and j, as distinct from v and i, were introduced in the 16th century, and w assumed the status of an independent letter", so you're talking about an alphabet that included u and w but not yet j, which would be odd. I've worked with early printed English, and seen works that used used u and v, and i and j as positional variants, but not one that used u and v as modern letters but not j.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 25-letter English alphabet 

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message: Here are some old sources for the English names of the Latin letters.
 	Irish Spelling BookHoy, James. “The Irish spelling-book; or, instruction for the reading of English, fitted for the youth of Ireland.” (1740): p 1.	Titus D 18McCarren, Vincent P. and Robert N. Mory. “The "Abecedarium" from British Museum Cotton MS. Titus D 18.” Modern Philology 87 (1990): pp 266-271.	Stowe MS 57     	BL MS Junius 1“Y, N.” Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford UP, December 2023.
 	1740                                                                                                                                               	15th century                                                                                                                                             	mid 12th century	1170–1185
A	a                                                                                                                                                  	a                                                                                                                                                        	a               	a
B	bee                                                                                                                                                	be                                                                                                                                                       	be ꝉ bei        	
C	see                                                                                                                                                	ce                                                                                                                                                       	ce ꝉ cei        	
D	dee                                                                                                                                                	de                                                                                                                                                       	de ꝉ dei        	de
E	e                                                                                                                                                  	                                                                                                                                                         	e               	e
F	ef                                                                                                                                                 	ef                                                                                                                                                       	ef              	
G	ghee                                                                                                                                               	ge                                                                                                                                                       	ge ꝉ gei        	
H	each                                                                                                                                               	iche                                                                                                                                                     	hah ꝉ hake      	
I	i                                                                                                                                                  	                                                                                                                                                         	i               	i
J	i Consonant                                                                                                                                        	                                                                                                                                                         	                	
K	ké                                                                                                                                                 	ca                                                                                                                                                       	ka              	
L	el                                                                                                                                                 	el                                                                                                                                                       	el              	
M	em                                                                                                                                                 	em                                                                                                                                                       	em              	emm
N	en                                                                                                                                                 	en                                                                                                                                                       	en              	
O	o                                                                                                                                                  	                                                                                                                                                         	o               	o
P	pee                                                                                                                                                	pe                                                                                                                                                       	pe              	
Q	cu                                                                                                                                                 	cu                                                                                                                                                       	quu             	
R	ar                                                                                                                                                 	er                                                                                                                                                       	er              	
S	ess                                                                                                                                                	es                                                                                                                                                       	es              	es
T	tee                                                                                                                                                	te                                                                                                                                                       	te              	
U	yu Vowel                                                                                                                                           	                                                                                                                                                         	u               	
V	yu Consonant                                                                                                                                       	                                                                                                                                                         	                	
W	Double yu                                                                                                                                          	                                                                                                                                                         	                	
X	ex                                                                                                                                                 	ix                                                                                                                                                       	ex              	
Y	wy                                                                                                                                                 	wi                                                                                                                                                       	(fix?)          	ƿi
Z	uzzard                                                                                                                                             	                                                                                                                                                         	zede            	
Ƿ	                                                                                                                                                   	wen                                                                                                                                                      	ƿen             	
Ð	                                                                                                                                                   	thorn                                                                                                                                                    	ðet             	
Þ	                                                                                                                                                   	thorn                                                                                                                                                    	þorn            	
Æ	                                                                                                                                                   	                                                                                                                                                         	                	
In Stowe MS 57, ꝉ is scribal abbreviation for Latin 'vel' (or). In the same manuscript, uppercase and lowercase forms of the letters are shown as a pair, and sometimes the lowercase letters of the pairs are also part of the letters' names. What actually appears is: Aa; Bbe; Cce; Dde; Ee; Ffef; Gge; Hhah; Ii; Kka; Llel; Mmem; Nnen; Oo; Ppe; Qquu; Rrer; Sses; Tte; Vu; Xxex; Yyfix; Zzede; Ƿƿen; ððet; Þþorn.
Hurlebatte (talk) 02:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Names of the Letters