Talk:Oriana Fallaci

message: Almost all Italian biographys says she was born on '29 giugno 1929' June 29th 1929 which one is correct?
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===Age issue===
Oriana Fallaci (29 June 1929[1] - 15 September 2006) 
Fallaci began her journalistic career in her teens, becoming a special correspondent for the Italian paper Il mattino dell'Italia centrale in 1950.
If she started working for the Italian paper Il mattino dell'Italia centrale in 1950 and she was born on the 29th of june 1929 she could not have been in her teens anymore because she would have turned 20 on the 29th of june 1949.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.86.127.74 (talk) 12:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: Oriana Fallaci (29 June 1929[1] - 15 September 2006) 
Fallaci began her journalistic career in her teens, becoming a special correspondent for the Italian paper Il mattino dell'Italia centrale in 1950.
If she started working for the Italian paper Il mattino dell'Italia centrale in 1950 and she was born on the 29th of june 1929 she could not have been in her teens anymore because she would have turned 20 on the 29th of june 1949.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.86.127.74 (talk) 12:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Age issue

message: Fallaci had previously attracted controversy for expressing in her book Letter to a Child Never Born anti-abortion views despite her sympathies with anarchism.
Someone can maybe explain why anarchist must be pro-abortion and non-anarchists anti-abortion? What have the two things in common? it is pure non-sense
81.208.60.196 19:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anarchism & Abortion 

message: I tried to even out this article a bit, as it surely wasn't NPOV. It seems to me that pro-Muslim editors try to have too much influence on what is said about Mrs. Fallaci here. 83.135.82.165
I have now included sources to my previously criticised changes. Hope everybody is happy now 83.135.82.165
* I think it reads a hell of alot better now and should be kept.--Looper5920 14:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: Oriana Fallaci refers to all Muslims as "Arabs" and as followers of "Arab culture".  There are certain editors here, such as CltFn and Karl Meier, who hold the Western POV that criticizing a race of people is bad, and so they continue to remove any reference to her anti-Arab comments from this page because they somehow think it reflects badly on her. Yuber(talk) 17:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yuber you seem to be the only person that thinks that the word Arab is a bad word. Arab is not not a bad word and arab people are not bad people . You should stop your bigotted attacks against the arab people and Oriana Fallaci is not anti-arab. She is anti-totalitarianism , anti barbarism , anti suppresion of human rights. Had you studied her long journalistic career , most of it which took place before you were even born you would have known that.--CltFn 17:12, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You do not speak for Oriana Fallaci, and it is her opinion that all Muslims are Arabs and followers of Arab culture, and so she calls all Muslims Arabs in her books. Yuber(talk) 07:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stop the pretense Yuber, you have never read any of her books, you probably have never even touched one. So now how about givings us some real quotes with page numbers that support your assertions.--CltFn 22:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The point is not that "Arab" is a "bad word", but that it describes people af Arabian descent. Muslims aren't "Arabs", even in major islamic countries like Turkey, whose inhabitants have no genetic relation to "Arabs", but are followers of Muslim religion nonetheless. Yuber has a point. 82.139.47.117 12:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yuber does not have a point.  In The Rage and the Pride, Fallaci calls Muslims "Muslims," not "Arabs."  She calls Somali Muslims "Somali Muslims," not "Somali Arabs."  Yuber is dead wrong.  Iceberg007 19:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-Arab comments

message: Yuber, if you were able to properly point to the places in Fallaci's work where those quotes supposedly come from, or, as I said on your talk, point to websites that mention the correct places, I am pretty sure that everyone would be happy if those quotes stay in. The websites you mention only claim that she said that, but none of them say where exactly in her works that was taken from. As it is, the information simply is not verifiable, which is contradictory to  WP:V. Cyberevil 02:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: First of all it is Ferruccio De Bortoli and not Ferruccio de Bortolo as it was previoulsy written, then I added infos to make clear to the reader that Oriana Fallaci is appreciated mainly by the italian right-wingers and also extreme right-wingers. Leftists ( not only leftist hardliners but also  moderate ones )in general don't like Oriana at all and a lot of persons consider her a racist. So as you can see, public opinion in Italy is divided about her. While rightists like her, lefists don't. Some people also say, with a a bit of bad taste, that she became totally crazy due to her illness. Personally I'm italian but I really don't like her and IMHO she wrote a lot of bullshits and racist anti-muslim things. Regards  (Virgilio 03:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ..."and racist anti-Muslim things..." -- I had no idea Islamism came with pigmentation.--Mike18xx 11:35, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that Mike18xx is an advocate of genocide against Muslims.  See here. --GCarty 15:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: GCarty, you're joking, right? The link you provide proves the opposite.  TheKaplan 23:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Things that must be said

message: deleted edit: 
:Original Italian: "Il treno, l'automobile, l'aereo, le astronavi con cui siamo andati sulla Luna..."
WP doesn't rely on unauthorised translations, particularly when they are contended. Translator Chris Knipp omitted the noun's articles and thus -unwittingly, I guess- furthered the presumption that the pronoun doesn't refer to the preceding noun, but to the whole preceding enumeration. Only when assuming beforehand that Fallaci is demented, grammar and semantics allow for that interpretation. This would be WP:OR or POV. --tickle me 22:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion on human travel to Mars 

message: Does anybody have a 'non-copy righted'  photo from when she was young and beautifull? The reader of this article must know her look, when she was reporting from vietnam.--Pejman47 09:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's one , but although for the Italian law it's public domain (20 years after the photo is shot, if it isn't qualified as art), the EU law has recently changed and commons has refused to host those images. I don't know about US law. --Εξαίρετος (msg) 16:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not an image where she is pretty, it's a missed pic, I say more beautiful pictures of her.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:109C:5177:B2EC:9A6 (talk) 14:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Photo 

message: Could someone more knowledgeable than I am please separate the list of her books into fiction and non-fiction categories?
--Spiff666 12:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for bibliography section 

message: Article focuses too much on supposed racism and not enough on journalistic career and anti-fascist theories, which is why she is note.  Artile also has many instances in which wording was awkward.  Therefore, NPOV and Clean Up tags were added.
:"Missing content" is not the same as "biased". If you think something is missing, add it yourself. Fallaci is more known for her opinions about islam than anything else today. Your claim has neither to do with style, so both NPOV and cleanup are removed. Start a section on what you think is missing and mark it as stub if you cannot write yourself.
::This page clearly has POV problems.  Take this sentence for example: "In The Force of Reason and the Rage and the Pride she dared to state what many politicians and journalists censor, the threat to open societies posed by Islamofascism and the imposition of religious (shariah) law over civil law."24.5.199.225 (talk) 13:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: A Man, a novel telling the biography of Alexandros Panagoulis, who fought against the Regime of the Colonels in Greece. It's a story about a hero who fights alone for freedom and for truth, never giving up, and so he dies, killed by all.
Is the second sentence really necessary? Touching, really, but Wikipedia isn't a bookstore, and I don't think this dramatic description is needed in a listing of Ms. Fallaci's book listing? I'm removing it.--C.Logan 10:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Man 

message: Actually she died of lung cancer (not breast cancer). She also wrote a lot about smoking, cigarettes and doctors.--Absinthe88 18:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong cause of death 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Oriana.jpg

message: I felt like the Kissinger statement needed a citation, so I used one and copied the format used by Arico in his Fallaci biography; do I need to put the translator's name in there (he did the official translation of Fallaci's book)? It's there now, but if it's too much delete it for me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emailnuevo (talk • contribs) 16:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing a translator 

message: Just a comment to the editors from an outside reader:
After going to the Controversy section, and reading the first paragraph, I still don't have the slightest idea about what those "controversial comments" might be.  This makes this section effectively useless for anyone (like me) who is not familiar with the issue.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.177.44.93 (talk) 12:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Controlversial comments" 

message: In the Controversy section, it's written "Fallaci received support in Italy, where her books have sold over one million copies", that sounds quite misleading to me. It's true that she sold a lot of copies in Italy, but she was also heavily criticized (and it seems to me she was more criticized than appreciated for those articles). Also, the first reference (Guardian) is not an ideal source for the number of copies she sold.--Sandrobt (talk) 14:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  support in Italy? 

message: I think it's shamefull that the picture shown in the page represents a photo of oriana with the chador. it would seem that she has been Moslem thing that contrarily it was not... 78.13.203.124 (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think it's shamefull 

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message: Please add what she though to be her cancer causes. Here the article in Italian:
http://cinema.excite.it/morte-oriana-fallaci-parla-loncologo-che-lha-N93548.html
She though it was because of toxic gaz.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:109C:5177:B2EC:9A6 (talk) 14:00, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes of death 

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