Talk:Provisional Irish Republican Army arms importation

message: Hello Jdorney,
I didn't mean to wipe out your article, I just tried to fix a little typo in one section (to which the article was reduced on saving, sorry about that). Tried to revert that but found the previous version locked, I don't what went on last night... So I decided to wait until Monday, maybe server load would be less. By then you had it already restored. Gabh mo leithscéal - 
--Atirador 19:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi again i've added some things and have linked to this page from the IICD page after adding to it also. I still have an issue with the section on recent arms sales, but I do some research into it and see if I can find any more convincing items/evidence to put in there.  Fluffy999 23:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added more detail on the previous Libyan arms shipments from Bowyer Bell- could make a nonsense of the Janes guesstimates so pointed that out in the footnotes. Depends of course if the PIRA used any of those SAM's, there is some ancedotal evidence they may have. Fluffy999 14:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wipe out

message: Someone just changed the weapons footnote on the janes estimate to explain the Janes /Bowyer Bell mismatch.  Its maybe accurate to say that they got captured but I dont remember any capture of SAMs during the period talked about- might be wrong and will need to check. To clarify that is the dispartity I was talking about:
*Janes says 7 unused SAMs destroyed
*Bowyer Bell says 12 got through
Its not a huge issue, and from the Talk page archive 003 over on Talk:Provisional Irish Republican Army/Archive 003 theres an unsigned comment saying some were fired at British Army helicopters:
"Note to above the "Tet" style offensive was cancelled due to the IRA's lack of a relaible counter to British Army helicopters. The SA-7 "Strela" missles procured from Lybia were made in the 1960's and were easily defeated by 80's era anti-heat seeking flares & shields mounted on BA Helo's. The PIRA did actually test fire several of the missiles at BA Helo's only to see them utterly fail to lock on to their targets 195.7.34.195 12:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, plus the informer factor. PIRA in metropolitan centers been riddled with informers/criminal element last 15 years.  The AC could only rely on rural units- people who have a long family linked tradition- harder to penetrate etc. to successfully pull off operations.  Fluffy999 15:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will not be responding to messages left on my talkpage or on pages for articles I have worked on.  Will no longer be contributing to wikipedia. Thank you. Fluffy999 13:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disparity in weapons

message: Is there any evidence that Father Patrick Ryan was involved in getting the sophisticated timer that was used in the 1984 Brighton bombing?Phase4 20:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What sophisticated timer, it was the same type of timer used in a video recorder, so it wouldn't have been hard to get.--padraig 21:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: "A police operations room in the hotel monitored the building during the conference week. But Magee had circumvented all those security measures by planting the bomb on September 17, 1984, setting its 'deadly accurate' timing mechanism for a time 24 days, six hours and 35 minutes later."Phase4 21:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Father Patrick Ryan

message: Any objections to this being moved to Provisional Irish Republican Army arms importation and manufacture once I finish an addition I'm working on. The IRA's manufacture of various types of improvised weaponry has been covered quite a lot and it doesn't really fit in the other two main articles, but with a slight change in scope of this article it'll work quite well I think. 2 lines of K303 14:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move....sort of

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message: What does this sentence mean in the "Decommissioning of arms" section?
"These reports have since been scotched by the group overseeing the activities of paramilitaries in Northern Ireland – the Independent Monitoring Commission (IMC)." Glaug-Eldare (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Definition from Oxford Languages: scotch /skäCH/ verb 1. decisively put an end to. "a spokesman has scotched the rumors". However, it is probably not appropriate for encyclopedic writing. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm not familiar with "scotch" as a verb. 

message: Moloney states .  Oppenheimer also acknowledges these weapons, again only describing them as . The only weapon I can see that fits this description is the M40 recoilless rifle. Evidence to support this is on Mallie/Bishop page 462 . Similarly Boyne page 272 . The New Spies by James Adams page 226 says . So although we don't have a reference explicitly stating the weapon they received was an M40 recoilless rifle, we do have two references that describe it as a 106mm cannon and two that describe it as a recoilless rifle, plus a reference stating they received ammunition for the M40 recoilless rifle.
While it's obviously enough to add they received a 106mm cannon, how best to describe this? Simply as 106mm cannon without a wikilink to M40 recoilless rifle? Or how about 106mm cannon? Or just M40 recoilless rifle? I'd like to think either of the two latter options are acceptable per WP:IAR, but happy to leave out a wikilink if consensus disagrees. FDW777 (talk) 15:34, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi mate. It's obvious that both authors (I am not particularly prone to praise them regarding accuracy, specially Oppenheimer) refer to the M40, the more common recoilless rifle produced by the US (Argentine infantry made an extensive use of it during the Falklands War). The Soviet/Russian 73-mm recoilless rifle is a lighter, man-portable version of the M40, I learned that in my seven-year editing the War in Donbas chonologies. May be Moloney and Oppenheimer have use the same source with the same mistake or typo, but as far as I know, there is no 106-mm ammo, neither for this anti-tank weapon nor for any other gun. Agree with you, this is a case of "ignore all rules" and go ahead. Regards and work job as usual. Darius (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Per M40 recoilless rifle, , so I don't believe we can hold the 106mm thing against them as it's clearly something that happens a lot. Any preference for 106mm cannon or M40 recoilless rifle? And since four authors say they received some kind of cannon/recoilless rifle, I think we can amend the  wording? FDW777 (talk) 16:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Also there are international versions listed at M40 recoilless rifle#Non-US production, so a link would still be valid even if they were non-US made versions I think? FDW777 (talk) 16:22, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Amended. FDW777 (talk) 15:14, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "106mm canon"?