Talk:Loch

message: Is the word loch English? Or Scots? Or what? When is its use appropriate in the English language version of Wikipedia? Eg Loch Ness seems appropriate because it is a formal title, but I am not sure about Loch Ness is a loch. Should it be Loch Ness is a lake? Laurel Bush 10:11, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it's Scottish Standard English, therefore suitable for any article about a Scottish subject, just as one would use American English for a US article. Grinner 10:57, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean in terms of what language it is. The word itself is Gaelic, but is used by all Scots whether speaking Gaelic, Scots or English, and is used by everybody in names of lochs, places etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.71.145 (talk) 23:30, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Is loch English?

message: Out of interest, before the republic became independent, which spelling did maps reflect?  Were they always spelled lough, or is the ubiquitous use of lough in the south an artifact of post-independance "irishification"? -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 23:12, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: loch vs lough in pre-independance Eire

message: I am about to try a little rewrite of the article for the following reasons:
* Loch includes Sea loch but this is not immediately clear in the article itself.
* The article should be primarily about loch and lough in English but effectively it confuses English with Scots and Hiberno-English.
* The article uses firth as a link while being quite inconsistent with Firth as an article.
Laurel Bush 12:16, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article rewrite?

message: Shouldn't it be added that loch should be pronunced with a kind of gargling ch-sound, and not a k-sound? I have heard many english/american people saying "Lock Ness" and "Lock Lomond". I guess thath is wrong, isn't it? Th31 (talk) 20:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is covered under loch#Scottish lakes, but it's a good point and perhaps should be explained at the start of the lead section. . . dave souza, talk 20:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added a wee bit at the start about the voiceless velar fricative (the gargling ch sound XD). Hanii (talk) 20:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Agreed, it's incorrect.-MacRusgail (talk) 20:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Loch 

message: I think it should be at least mentioned that the German word Loch is pronounced the same way and means hole.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.9.170.64 (talk) 07:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: German

message: The article is flawed!  A loch has a specific geological provenance; it is created by the terminal moraine from a glacier.  It is for this reason that they are more prominent in Scotland, than England, which also separates them definably from a 'lake' that has no link to glaciation.  The two are quite different.  See the page on Ribbon lake for an expansion on how a loch is formed, although admittedly the language here is ambiguous, given that a Ribbon lake is described as a 'lake'.  Simply put, if it is in Scotland and termed a loch, then it is the remnants of glaciation that has caused the feature to exist.MrReepicheep (talk) 01:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So what about SEA Lochs?85.158.138.21 (talk) 10:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Meaning 

message: These two article both discuss the same idea with no consistent language, location or physical differences. No need to split the subject up. Rmhermen (talk) 16:41, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Merge. There should be a sentence, paragraph or section detailing the differences in pronunciation and distribution between the mainly Scottish loch and mainly Irish lough, but to me the two words describe the same geographical features. --Wavehunter (talk) 18:37, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Merge. Seeing both "loch" and "lough" in the list of bodies of water was confusing and misleading, at least to me. DoorsAjar (talk) 10:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Merge and redirect lough to this article. "Loch" is the spelling of the word in both Irish and Scottish Gaelic. It's also the most common spelling of the word in English. "Lough" is usually only found in Ireland as part of englished placenames (for example, Lough Erne comes from the Irish Loch Éirne). ~Asarlaí 13:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Merge.  Eric Corbett 18:56, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Lough

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