Talk:Anachronox

message: Considering this is the English Wikipedia do we really need to include a non-English version of the game's cover in the infobox? It seems to me to be unnecessarily cluttering it. -- Grandpafootsoldier 07:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The United States is not the only country with English-speaking citizens. Nifboy 09:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but that isn't a good enough reason to have two images of the same box cover - especially in the front infobox. Why don't we add the Italian-language version, or the French? Why not the Australian version of the box? There are English-speakers in those countries too the last time I checked. -- Grandpafootsoldier 03:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, ah, France and Italy are both in Europe, and Australia used the same box design too. - 219.194.176.27 22:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  No one has adressed grandpafootsoldier's original question have they? This is the english wikipedia, but their is a picture of a non english box cover. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.78.84.7 (talk) 06:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it. There's no reason for a non-English cover; the game is of American origin and is most widely known with English text. — TKD::Talk 11:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cover image

message: Should the "unofficial" patches and builds be mentioned, perhaps at least in the infobox? I think that 1.01 was the only official patch but 3rd party patches to improve stability and features are released, such as "build 44", 45, and 46. People looking the game up might be interested.
: I would agree, especially as two of the patches were done by a programmer who worked on the game. Maybe not put it in the infobox, as its not an official release, but definately put it in the article somewhere. Cpuwhiz11 (talk) 23:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely merits mentioning, especially as the new patches caused quite a stir in the Anox fan scene. As to whether it should be in the infobox, I think something like Version: 1.01 (official)(line break) xxx (3rd party) —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 02:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Unofficial" patches 

message: On dual core machines Anachronox can run extremely choppy. The following worked very well on my machine:
http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/set-cpu-affinity-improve-multitasking.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.140.4.174 (talk) 13:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a pretty typical problem with games of this era. I don't think it merits mentioning in the article... if that was your intent. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 18:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anachronox on multicore 

message: "The story was to be completed in the sequel, but the game was a commercial failure, which contributed to the dissolution of Ion Storm."   - this is not true.  They were dissolved almost immediately after the game's release, which was too soon to determine if the game was a success or failure or not.   If anything the reverse is true- some people at Ion Storm went on record saying that they didn't care if you pirated the game, because they weren't seeing a dime anyway.  Unfortunately those quotes are now lost to the mists of time. Webrunner (talk) 19:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You raise a good point, Webrunner.  Given that someone had placed a fact tag on the statement since Nov 2007 (and it is still there) and that your argument has been here in Discussion for 3 months without counterpoints being raised, I have gone ahead and removed the statement in question.  --DavidGC (talk) 09:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: A user, , made a remark at my editor review page that the External links section could use some discussion. Namely, the link to the Anachrodox project and the links to Archive.org resources.
* While I'm not going to comment on whether linking to Anachrodox violates WP:ELNO at this time, I do believe that the tagline is perfectly acceptable as-is. It's entirely unnecessary to refer to it as an updated version of a documentation project, nor is it appropriate to refer to its maintainer or creator (who is only known by a pseudonym). The description, that it is an "Anachronox editing documentation project" is succinct and descriptive without omitting any important details.
* Another concern was whether linking to Anachronox: The Movie or the Anachronox trailer at Archive.org violates WP:NOTLINK. I'm not entirely sure what exactly in that guideline these links violate, but I am reasonably confident that they do not violate WP:ELNO, and that they reasonably meet WP:ELYES, especially #3 and #4.
I hope this helps explain my reasoning behind the changes I made! —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 23:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (ec) First of all, I'm sorry, but I believe you've misunderstood my edit summary; my meaning of "fixing" wasn't of "repairing" but of "improving" or "making". However, I don't see the need to degenerate to personal attacks- my personal knowledge of the subject is not an issue here. From what I understand, you may have a substantial conflict of interest when it comes to this project, and may be operating under some misunderstandings of how Wikipedia works. First of all, Wikipedia is not a soapbox, that is, it's not a place where you can promote your involvement with this modding documentation project, nor to promote the project itself. Unless you are notable yourself ("notable" here referring to the criteria set out in Wikipedia's notability guidelines for creative professionals), your name or pseudonym isn't appropriate. Whether there are or were other documentation projects is immaterial; the fact that this one is even included in this article is evidence enough that it's a significant project (though, as I said before, I'm not at this time going to question whether it doesn't fail WP:ELNO). If you still disagree with me, you're more than welcome to seek a third opinion at the third opinion noticeboard. And as to Jake Hughes, his compilation has garnered significant media attention, and is not really an appropriate comparison. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 01:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, as I said, I'm not evaluating that at this time. I suspect that at this point it's appropriate for inclusion in the external links section, but I don't think it explicitly meets WP:ELYES. As to everything else, I can appreciate your motives, having worked on some rather time-consuming projects myself. Also, I wholeheartedly disagree with your analysis of the Anachronox: The Movie situation. As a public-domain or otherwise free resource, I think it's quite appropriate to link out to it. Content at Archive.org quite widely passes the tenets in WP:ELNO, and this content in particular meets WP:ELYES. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 07:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anachrodox and the archive.org links 

message: After writing the reception section, I came to realize that Gamerankings is really a crappy, faulty, subjective amalgation of scores from a few legitimate and a lot of non-notable sources. I removed this sentence: The title garnered an average review score of 80% as calculated by Game Rankings.. Are there any better score aggregators out there? I guess rottentomatoes stopped doing games, right? ZeaLitY [ Talk - Activity ] 02:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: * This looks like a separate, original design diary. I'm glad the old Ion Storm news feed mentioned it existed; took a while to find it. Sadly, this press page seems to have never been completed. ZeaLitY [ Talk - Activity ] 15:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Gamerankings

message: Putting all questions that may impact the article here.
; Developers ✓
These developers left in 1998: Matt Hooper, Sverre Kvernmo, Will Loconto, Mike Maynard, Mark Morgan, David Namaksy, Steve Rescoe and Jonathan Wright. I'm not sure which is the Anachronox programmer who departed. ZeaLitY [ Talk - Activity ] 06:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Question mill

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thread_title:  Automated Peer Review 

message: I didn't find the phrase "poorly marketed" outside the lead. So I assume by "final section of Development" it is meant that "millions were spent on the game, tens of thousands on advertising". The two phrases are not equivalent, however: First of all, Marketing is not the same as Advertising (see also Marketing mix). Secondly, someone saying that he was disappointed with the advertising is not the same as it being a fact that the advertising was poor (an absolute value judgement that the lead claims to be a fact). And thirdly, just because citations are not needed in the lead when they are in the body, it doesn't mean that all citation requests in the lead are automatically invalid. Something like "its development costs far exceeded the advertising expenditures" would be sticking to the facts, as would e. g. "the developers were disappointed with the advertising support from the publisher"; perhaps someone can phrase either of these more succinctly Nczempin (talk) 01:25, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "poorly marketed" 

message: I've done some polishing and I think that the main editor(s) should nominate it for GAN by now; there doesn't seem to be any more issues with the article-SCB '92 (talk) 11:35, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Ah, yes, in fact, we should delete anything that isn't Halo 4 or Black Ops 2. There's just no way a non-notable game such as Anachronox generated 168 sources in the contemporary gaming press (not counting the dead links we couldn't retrieve). The reference section is actually an elaborate hoax! ZeaLitY [ Talk - Activity ] 08:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think this article is ready to have a Good Article Nomination 

message: Saw this nominated at GAN and on a quick skim noticed some MOS:ELLIPSIS compliance issues. I don't have the sources in front of me, so I don't know whether these ellipses were placed for omitted text or if they're in the sources themselves, but anyway, check the ellipses used in this article against the MOS.  czar ♔ 04:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ellipses 

message: Looks like I'm back again (didn't remember being here in the first place). The fair use audio clip is described in its caption as "industrial", but I don't think that's correct. Maybe industrial as in sounding like machines, but that's way different from "industrial music".  (Pinging our resident industrialist) czar ♔ 06:01, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well for right now I took industrial out of the caption. GamerPro64 15:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good edit.  That audio clip has nothing to do with industrial music. Thanks for the ping. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 05:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So it isn't industrial music. Very good to know that. So it raises the question of what type of music it is then since this concern was raised at GAN. GamerPro64 02:26, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What do the RS say? czar ♔ 05:58, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there's a quote from creator Tom Hall with him saying "The Anachronox sound will be industrial, mixed with forties bluesy swing. As you get on later in the game, the music gets scarier, more chaotic, and gets down to hard-core metal". So it makes it sound like there's more than one musical style the game has. GamerPro64 18:54, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm. Maybe. Mentioned this above, but he might have meant "industrial" as in "like machines"—still works as phrased, but probably isn't the best choice of words considering the genre of music by the same name. czar ♔ 23:03, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be that other parts of the soundtrack are industrial in the "industrial music" sense, but that particular clip isn't. It's essentially cinematic orchestral. Of course, that's just my opinion. ;) It might not be so easy to label one clip with Hall's quote listing so many distinct styles. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 22:59, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So I have an idea for changing the caption. How about the caption saying "A 30 second sample of Anox_Democratus, illustrating one of the game's many musical styles"? GamerPro64 18:39, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

text: You might be right. If this game uses different types of styles, what's the point of having a clip to a song if there's no theme in the song selection? It doesn't illustrate what the music is as a whole so there's no possible purpose overall. GamerPro64 03:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't want to rock the boat, seeing as how I wasn't really a participant on this article before now, but that's pretty much how I feel.  It doesn't do anything for the article, it doesn't add to the reader's understanding, especially since it can't be backed up with any references or real context (as far as we know), and it wouldn't be missed. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 05:39, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Surely you see directly above your post that the clip was removed because it had no use in the article and not due to copyright paranoia. If there's a track that a RS explains in detail that would necessitate an audio clip, fine by me. If the concern is just varying the page's media, perhaps try contacting the composer to see if he'll relicense either a clip or a demo not used in the final production. czar ♔ 18:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if it must be done for an FA push, fine. I left a note for Bill Brown on his Facebook page asking if it'd be remotely possible to grab something else for us. Also tweeted Tom Hall; hopefully he checks his mentions. ZeaLitY [ Talk - Activity ] 13:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industrial 

message: Do articles need to be certified "A" before an FA push these days? In the past, it seemed like video game FAs always struggled most with third-party sources and the usual copyediting rigor, but after the GA trimming this article is probably loaded to go. How long do you feel a push is off? ZeaLitY [ Talk - Activity ] 16:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there's no "A" requirement to be a FA. (one doesn't even need to go from GA to FA, a B level article can be nom'ed for FA). The A, B, C, etc standard is set by the WIkiproject, but GA and FA reflect wiki-wide quality control. --MASEM (t) 16:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: FA

message: "The work was considered machinima's first feature-length production". Well, we have an article about an earlier four-hour film called The Seal of Nehahra. Should I remove this remark, or add that the sources are wrong and simply did not know about Nehahra? --Serpinium (talk) 15:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter is probably true but the way to state that, given that we are already using language that makes this the consideration of the sources and not necessarily fact, is something ", though the less-known film The Seal of Nehahra predated the movie)" or something like that. --MASEM (t) 16:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Serpinium (talk) 21:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Movie 

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