Talk:Wotansvolk

message: As discussed HERE, I think that maybe Wotanism should be a disambiguation page as Wotanism as defined by plagiarist Ron McVan is a completely different concept and belief system from the Wotanism of Guido von List. And, both are different to Odinism] (Wotanism under a different name). FK0071a 09:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, there is plenty of information from primary sources. I will list them shortly but it helps if you can translate German and also have access/the money to get the original texts. It took me a while but I did. However, I think at least that typing in Wotanism into Wikipedia should bring up a disambiguation page. This could look something like this even if as yet their are no article on each sub section you can at least directly get the information ot state they are not all the same. I think either a disambiguation page or in the opening paragragh of Wotanism it should make the distinction and say they are far from the same because if a disambiguation page is not made then the opening paragraph needs to be changed because "Wotanism is the name of a racial religion promulgated by David Lane." is simply wrong and not encyclopedic.
*Wotanism: McVan
*Wotanism: Odinist/Asatru
*Wotanism: Guido von List
  
FK0071a 17:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation page

message: Hardy Lloyd does have a following in the Prison system in the US and Canada, especially within Pennsylvania. There are also a growing number of youths who have embraced his book, because he speaks plainly to them and doesn't try to shove a lot of Mysticism on them, unlike the "Creed of Iron" book. Also, his book is listed in several local independent libraries within greater Pittsburgh.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.155.117.161 (talk) 17:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardy Lloyd 2 

message: For some reason, "Welwesburg" keeps taking out Mr. Lloyd's info. He is using POV, and is not being emotion free, as per WIKI's rules for edits!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.155.117.58 (talk) 23:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with this "welwesburg" guy is that he cannot sepperate his emotions from the truth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.155.117.103 (talk) 07:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  NPOV, sure. If the guideline really were 'emotion free' (and I'd love to see where that policy or guideline is state) all of Wikipedia would vanish in a puff of smoke. 71.174.70.185 (talk) 17:06, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Welwesburg's" edits... 

message: * This man has a following in the prison population (ADL), and his book is in several area libraries and Colleges...! Local used book stores carry it, as well as Eides, a local "Pulp" video and book store, which sells racist and occult and satanic items...! Eides can be looked up online!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.183.185.100 (talk) 18:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to any mention of Mr. Lloyd in the article.  He may be very important in relation to Wotanism, then again he may not be.  Whether or not he is important, and whether or not be can verify the claims presented in the information must be determined from a reliable source, please see WP:RS for what constitutes a reliable source.  Linking to his website is not enough to justify the information. You say that he has a big following and that local used book stores sell his book, then there must be some media report that says something about Hardy and Wotanism.  Please read WP:NOR for why we cannot rely on original research to include information in the article.  To sum it up - find a reliable source which mention's Mr. Lloyd and the connection to Wotanism and we can put that it.  Thanks, TharsHammar Bits andPieces 23:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Mr. Lloyd's item being taken out all the time? 

message: Page protected due to edit warring. Tan  |  39 19:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Page protected

message: "The feminist women's group 'Sigrdrifa' focuses on White cultural identity and has chapters in the United States and Canada. Sigrdrifa runs a special 'Odinism in Prison' project."
i question the use of the adjective "feminist" here.  there is no "Sigrdrifa" page, so no way to read more about this group (not on wiki, at least).
what makes this women's group a "feminist" women's group?  there are many women's groups that should not be labeled "feminist," and would actually bristle at the insult (Concerned Women for America is likely one of those).
Colbey84 (talk) 08:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sigrdrifa 

message: I have half a mind of pruning everything in here that's not verified by reliable sources. There is way too much content here where general statements are sourced to the dude's own website, which by definition isn't much of a reliable source, and is certainly not an objective source for statements about his movement and his fans. Drmies (talk) 03:10, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: David Lane was affiliated with Aryan Nations and was an organizer for a Klan group in Colorado be whereas McVan was previously affiliated with the Atheistic Church of the Creator. The page in Gods of the Blood indicates those are his opinions due to an exceptionally wacky and abrasive constitution for an Aryan homeland in which "satanic, heathen" groups are banned. It doesn't speak for Wotansvolk as a group per se. Just McVan's personal dealings with Christian Identity people etc 172.58.43.171 (talk) 06:21, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that all of this nonsense is "exceptionally wacky". If you want to rephrase this to attribute this to one person, so be it, but that's not a valid reason to add even more bloat to the article. Picking and choosing the bits that might seem especially odd is a form of editorializing. For one thing, it falsely suggests that anything about this movement is normal or coherent. Grayfell (talk) 08:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

text: What does "normal" or "coherent" even mean anymore? Aren't those just social constructs?47.137.185.72 (talk) 07:57, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  McVan's opinions about the Aryan Nations Constitution