Talk:Vaganova method/Archive 1

message: I'm a proponent/product of the Vaganova school and even I think this is biased!....  Depends if it was based on Vaganova, because the Vaganova school in the last 14 years has not been teaching her method anymore, they have been teaching according to the Moscow syllabus.
"considered by many to be an combination of the best of the French and Italian schools" -- it does combine the schools but who says what exactly is the "best" of each?...If you study teaching method you come to realize why thousands of teacher have made this statement over the years.
"the only method that predicts a safe and accurate outcome" -- in a word, doubtful....how many more highly skilled and trained artists coming out of one country do you need for your proof?  After over 30 years of use, not one injury, I am not doubtful at all.
"There is no other method like it." -- actually, there are many forms of classical ballet training, and they are not that dissimilar. ........... There is a difference between "forms of training" and "teaching method and there is no comparision between a form and a method.
"the most difficult movements known to man - that of the classical pas de deux" -- yes, it's difficult, but so is gymnastics and ice skating and tightrope walking and so on and so forth.  Rephrase...the most difficult movements in dance - is the classical pas de deux.  Vaganova analyized the jumping aspect of these movements, thus giving the foundation to the science of teaching these movements, free of injury.  The method that she founded is scientifically based and physiologically sound.
"To say that the method is considered excellent is an understatement" -- definitely an opinion...                 No, not an opinion a statement of fact.
"in today's world, few really understand what it is and how to use it" -- factual dispute here, perhaps more evidence needed ...  If given a chance to study, and see the results of this scientfic way of teaching, that is your evidence.  But, even if one is not afforded an opportunity to study from a reputatable teacher, the results of the teaching method speak for themselves.
Over 70% of teachers in America claim to teach some form of Vaganova, so it is the most popular way of teaching in America, based on the first survey of its kind, done by reputable Dance USA, organization out of Washington, DC. in the 1990's.  Fact. 
"It is believed that if a school has even one injury in the lesson, then the method is not really understood or used properly." -- this is apocryphal   "This is apocryphal"...very uninformed statement.  After over 30 years of proper use of the method, there was not one injury, and this is the truth.
It needs some work, for sure. Added  tag. — Editor at Large(speak) 23:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV issues

message: Hello, everyone -- Emmegan here. I've just made a big cleanup of the article and tried to format it as a little more than just a block of POV text. I also added external links. If anyone with more experience in the history of the Vaganova method would like to give me feedback on my talk page, I'd more than appreciate it! Thanks! Emmegan 00:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: The danger here lies in the creation of false distinctions in the name of consistency. Claude Bessy was in NY last month for the Dance Films Association festival at Lincoln Center. Opening night was a film about her (which the estimable Fabrice Herrault worked on for four and a half years!) 
Mlle. Bessy ran the Paris Opera Ballet School for thirty years, and one of the questions posed her after the screening had to do with its curriculum. Her reply was that they taught mostly French technique but also Cecchetti method.
What is method at one school may well be technique at the next and style at a third, and a school may teach different aspects of dance variously as style (more likely at the upper levels), technique and/or method. The concepts are every bit as inextricable when talking about choreographers or dance companies and ever moreso when dealing with contemporary dance.
This is not to say that there is not a good deal of unclear writing to be found in ballet (and dance) articles, much of it well-intentioned. Making distinctions between method, technique, and style would need to be done on a case-by-case basis and would need to be done by a person who had studied at the school or danced with the company in question.
The Wikipedia community is fond of guidelines and — and sometimes follows them to the point of foolish consistency. To promulgate across-the-board distinctions that working dancers do not observe between concepts that working dancers do not necessarily accept would be folly, if not worse. — Robert Greer (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, but not relevant to this conversation. The issue here is improper English language. Lambtron (talk) 01:19, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross-posted from the [[Talk:Ballet#Dance terminology|Ballet talk page, Dance terminology section]]