Talk:Cream tea

message: The idea that Cream Tea indicates British culture or British pretensions is not true in many parts of the Commonwealth. Although its origins are generally identified with Britain, in places such as Australia, it is thought of as a pastoral Commonwealth tradition, not a specifically British one.
:It is more accurate, therefore, to identify Cream Tea with the Commonwealth than GB in particular.
::Seconded, cream tea's a concept more reminiscent of britishness, rather than britain. Tomythius 22:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience clotted cream has not usually been available outside of the British Isles and therefore most examples of so called 'cream tea' or 'Devonshire tea' found in other areas of the world are not at all what is meant here. 86.148.15.235 (talk) 00:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

text: As someone who grew up in rural Cornwall and frequently worked on a farm as a kid, I can confirm that they are indeed traditionally served with splits (soft rolls). Cornish farm teas (the huge spreads served by the farmer's wife to the workers at the end of a hard day, not the overpriced fare marketed to tourists, which do come with scones) invariably came with splits filled with cream and jam (along with pasties and many other things). -- Necrothesp 17:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Scones are pretty much the norm, at least outside of cornwall. I think "cream-tea-shop-tourist affectation" is an exaggeration - while in tourism hotspots, as may be found in cornwall, scones are served because tourists want them, this does not make the traditional serving of scones in the rest of the country simply a tourist pleasing scheme. Tomythius 22:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can appreciate, I was only referring to Cornwall - and in Cornwall the serving of scones in tourist tea shops is entirely for the benefit of tourists.  What people do in the rest of the country is something again, and I know little about it. Bretonbanquet 23:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cream Tea is International 

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message: I know in Bath (and surrounding area) a cream tea is often served with a sally lunn and there are probably countless other variations.
Would it not be better, therefore, to reorganise the page to give the norm first, and the variations (regional and otherwise) after? At present it doesn't flow well. Tomythius 23:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other regional variations 

message: Can someone tell me where in the world Cucumber Sandwiches are part of a cream tea? Is someone confused with Afternoon Tea or is it a specific regional variation that I have never heard of, or something that may have fallen out of fashion in many a household? I'm English, have eaten a lot cream teas in many a home and have never heard of a cucumber sandwich being part of it. I'm not saying its wrong, I'd just like an explanation or elaboration, Thanks GQsm  Talk | c 22:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cucumber Sandwiches part of a cream tea? 

message: Tea didn't come to europe till the 1600s, so while they might have enjoyed scones, clotted cream and jam in 997 A.D. Tavistock, it should be pointed out that the delicacies weren't being washed down with tea.Meltyman 05:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  997 A.D.?  

message: "Another variation to a cream tea is called "Thunder and Lightning" which consists of a round of bread, topped with clotted cream and golden syrup.[1]" 
Are you sure this isnt just some American fantasy? 80.2.222.188 22:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a Cornish thing, and delicious. DuncanHill 22:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: American?? Absolutely not. Cornish all day long. I don't think it's spread beyond the Tamar though... Bretonbanquet 22:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  We have "thunder and lightning" as desert after roast beef.  Thing is we use the yorkshire puddings for it.  I suspect that it, like the tea itself, is subject to local (family level) traditions. 91.111.57.100 (talk) 19:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Never heard of "thunder and lightning" and I'm British 

message: IP 212.159.113.207 has twice inserted a reference to cream teas being sometimes served with whipped cream, rather than clotted cream.  I'm prepared to believe that in some places that is indeed the case - but we need to be more specific about where this deplorable practice happens.  It doesn't happen, so far as I know, in Devon or Cornwall where cream teas originate.  We need to name and shame, or at least be more specific.  Are we talking about cream teas being served with w*';!"d cream in cafes in other parts of Britain, or in other parts of the world?  How common is this practice?  Should it be stamped out? (OK, not really...)  But, seriously, a "proper" cream tea, in my view, requires clotted cream, and this article needs to make that clear - with whipped cream being a (clearly inferior) substitute.  What do others think?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgive them Ghmyrtle, for they know not what they do - some wretched backwaters don't have easy access to clotted cream so can't make a proper cream tea, but we shouldn't knock them for wanting to make belief with whatever comes to hand.  I don't think these children pose any threat to the true cream tea. After all, whipped cream is not an "inferior" substitute - it's no substitute at all.  Traveller palm (talk) 22:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To suggest that whipped cream can be used in a Devonshire cream tea is equivalent to suggesting that cricket without stumps can still be cricket. It's not.
621PWC (talk) 01:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of w*';!"d (expletives deleted) cream 

message: The picture box  of scones with jam over cream is captioned "Cornish cream tea" despite the fact that the passage right next to it explains that jam on top is the devonshire method. I've corrected this minor mistake.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.251.151.64 (talk) 19:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but if you look at the description on the image page itself, the photo was actually taken in Cornwall - so I've clarified the caption.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake corrected 

message: Just wanted to add that, while I can't speak for the whole of Cornwall, splits are certainly not 'rare' in Redruth.  I regularly buy half a dozen, especially if friends are coming for tea; they are readily available in Redruth and Camborne and, I suspect, in many other Cornish towns.  I would never use scones; when we were children, if there were no splits in the house, we had our cream and jam (or golden syrup) on slices of white bread.  (Maryjane22 (talk) 10:45, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Would changing "..even in Cornwall..." to "...except in Cornwall..." be accurate and helpful?  Neither wording is referenced, so we are probably largely dependent on local knowledge!  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

text: I'll check it out next time I'm in Port Isaac.  :-)  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Availability of Cornish splits 

message: 'Devon cream tea' and the Devon method of making a cream tea is far more widely known than 'Cornish cream tea', as illustrated by e.g. 1,840,000 results in a Google search for the former and only 780,000 results for the latter. The article itself states (unchallenged) that the Devon method is "commonly used in neighbouring counties and other Commonwealth countries". I think the 'Devon' way should come first in the ordering, unless anybody can produce a source suggesting that the Cornish method is itself more common. In my experience, the 'Devon' method is more common -- and the fact there are far more results for 'Devon cream tea' support this. GhostOfNoMeme (talk) 14:27, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Do me a favour and revert your change. I've just checked your claim out and Google says "Cornish cream tea" has 108,000 hits, whilst "Devon cream tea" only has 66,300 when using explicit phrase searching (if you search for Devon cream tea without using quotation marks (for an explicit phrase search) on Google, you do indeed get 1,840,000 results but lots of these include Cornish cream tea or articles discussing the difference between both types - likewise searching for Cornish cream tea without the quotation marks brings up all manner of stories about Devon cream tea. I would also suggest reverting back to Cornish then Devon would be most sensible based on alphabetical arrangement (C coming before D). Thanks, and do stop edit warring in future. Nick (talk) 14:41, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Previously the order of the lede was alphabetical, Cornish then Devon. Now User:GhostOfNoMeme has decided to change it round on the unproven premise that "Former is more popular" diff. I reverted diff, Ghost reverted diff, and now I am checking the validity of the statement. I see that  gets 108,000 hits and  gets 66,100. I was about to revert it again but then found   gets 576,000 hits. I have changed the lede accordingly (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cream_tea&diff=811101259&oldid=811098472 diff) to use Devonshire rather than Devon. However I still think that the Cornish method is probably more popular than the Devon(shire) method, as not everything can be shown by google hits, and a larger proportion of people worldwide use the Cornish method, which is IMO better known. Dysklyver 14:48, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

text:  Thanks for chiming in. However, I suggest you try visiting the top number of pages appearing for each search. You can't merely rely on the number displayed; this is simply not how Google works. Visit each page until Google will not show any additional pages; you then can see the 'true' number of results. I've edited the article's introduction so it is consistent with the rest of the article, in which Devon appears before Cornwall. The first source also mentioning Devon cream tea, before 'Cornwall cream tea'. I'll happily accept a source showing evidence that the Cornish cream tea is more popular and/or more commonly known, contrary to the current sources of this article. Thanks. GhostOfNoMeme (talk) 14:57, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I believe this article was originally only about Devonshire tea, and the scope is maladjusted according to the fact Cornish cream teas were just tacked on. I can't say I can find anything one way or the other about which really is most popular. I will give you a ping if I find anything. Dysklyver 15:07, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth,  is a terrible reason for changing things. Just because you think that it's more popular doesn't mean it is. Personally I'm fine with it being alphabetical because there is no bias. Primefac (talk) 15:33, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

text: I agree with .  We should not get too hung up over the extent to which "Cornish" or "Devonshire" are used in the UK.  It seems that internationally (which is what this encyclopedia is), the term "Devonshire tea" may be more widely used, for instance in this Australian example, and has its own entry in the Oxford Dictionaries here as a result.  On that basis, "Devonshire tea" should be placed before "Cornish tea".   Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Devon Cream Tea vs Cornish 

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