Talk:MSTing

message: As the "Infamous MSTed Authors" section grows, we all need to be careful to keep it NPOV; some of the author entries look like an attack on the authors themselves; if a piece is considered "the worst (blank) ever", or "the most blatant (blank) ever" by the community, cite your source, please. Also, fandom does not refer to a professional piece of work.
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message: I suggest that this article be completley rewriten, preferably by an actual MSTer.  Luthien Minyatur 16:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article could indeed use a complete rewrite, but I would caution anyone tackling this that it's not the domain expertise of the authors that is important, it is the factual information verifiable from explicitly cited reliable sources that we need, for this as for any other article. The problem with fans or other editors involved in a subject is that they tend to ignore these basic requirements. Were he alive, Albert Einstein himself would have to cite published references if he contributed to our "relativity" articles. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MSTers 

message: As the policy of WP:V has shifted from verify that this exist to verify that it is notible, I'm afraid that this will be deleted and the information lost. As it is an effect of MST3K, maybe it should go back into that article or renamed "effects of MST3K on popular culture".  What do people think.--Rayc 04:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the primary point of WP:V has not changed since August 2005: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Inclusion isn't restricted to notability issues, but is a matter of what goes into an article. Content inclusion anywhere, not just in its own article, is based on verifiability. We shouldn't hide unsourced information in another article just because it's too visible in a separate article. The real question is, why have we found no reliably sourced documentation on this phenomenon? Is it that much under the radar of established popular culture? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are enough examples under the "External links" section that if this was a hoax, the hoaxer probably would warrant his or her own article on wikipedia. That takes care of WP:V in my book, but I see the people wanting to delete it basing there reasoning on notability. As for under the radar of established popular culture, it's internet culture, which unfortunately doesn't get much documentation in non-internet media.--Rayc 22:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If this should be merged with the main MST3K page, it would certainly not warrant this much text. At most, I think MSTing deserves a one-liner. It's a common enough internet phenomenon, but barely a footnote in the MST story.MArcane 08:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose - The MSTing phenomenon spread far from its roots in MST3K, and should not be shoved into the article just because that's where it came from. --Orange Mike 16:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's an ancient proposal with no real discussion in favor of it, I'm going to remove the merge tags. Rob T Firefly 18:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Despite my love of MST3K, I've never been a fan of MSTing, so I haven't really cared whether this article remains, only that editors be aware of what it takes to keep it here. But with the impending deletion of the article, I decided to put a little time into it to demonstrate how folks might make this a decent encyclopedia article.
As a first pass, I deleted all the unsourced (and possibly unsourceable) discussions of MSTing techniques and practices, collected a bunch of live sources for information, and rewrote the history section to give it a broader context based on what I found. (I didn't even look at the "External links" section; I just Googled around to see what was still prominent on the web.) I also -tagged material in the new "Style" section wherever I felt there should be specific citations for references. The result is far closer to a proper Wikipedia article, in my humble opinion, with one significant exception — many of the sources would not be considered reliable by any reasonable WP editor. I don't offer an immediate solution to this problem, but that's where we need to work to ensure this article survives. If it doesn't, there remain at least two cited sources (both from The Satellite News) for the concept of "MSTing" that would allow a few sentences from this article to be merged into Mystery Science Theater 3000.
Okay, so I've put (some of) my money where my mouth is. I recommend other editors of this article work to improve the sourcing, if possible. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: I have two questions for editors. First, the pronunciation of MSTing - I always say "em-ess-TEE-ing" , but is that standard or do people ever say "em-ESS-ting"  or "MIST-ing" ? Either way, an IPA guide should be added to the top.
Second, the rights of the original authors don't seem to apply in MSTing as long as the MST material is presented independently of the original material, since it certainly qualifies as parody under fair use. I'm wondering if there's a more detailed analysis of this online, or some reason why original authors can have MSTing removed? 99.18.157.230 (talk) 05:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation and copyright 

message: I have literally never heard of anyone referring to it as MSTing. Virtually all sources I can find on the subject refer to it as "riffing". See the following: , , , , , . yonnie (talk) 22:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Riffing is what the show does, MSTing is what was done with the text-based works specifically in the style of MST3K. --MASEM (t) 22:36, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The nomenclature might have changed, since the stars of MST3K now have moved on to "rifftracks".  Are text based MSTings still being produced?--Rayc (talk) 06:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, even when the show was running, the live-action mannerism was considered "riffing", but the text-based works were, and remain, MSTings. There are a few but not many, but this article is specifically on the text-based format influenced by the show, and that's how they were commonly known. --MASEM (t) 15:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, I am even more confused on why this practice has its own article, while "riffing" does not. I am a huge MST3K fan, and I have never heard of MSTing before coming across this article, let alone heard of it selling out theaters for live shows (like Cinematic Titanic's riffing does). yonnie (talk) 19:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Riffing" is a verb, for all purposes, and not unique to MST3K.  "MSTing" is a noun, specific for the text-based works in the style of MST3K; these works do riff. And again, it is highly specific to the text format; what Cinematic Titanic or Rifftrax does is just riffing on a movie. MSTings are riffing on text works. --MASEM (t) 19:19, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What would you describe the mp3 commentaries provided by RiffTrax as? Mp3s are considered physical media. Also, "riffing" may be a verb, but a "riff" is a noun, and riffing commentaries are often referred to simply as "riffs" as well. Riffing definitely needs its own article. yonnie (talk) 19:38, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Just "riffings". MSTings were a fan activity, they are a subset of what "riffings" would be called. --MASEM (t) 19:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Shouldn't this be renamed "Riffing"?

message: MSTing is part of a broader remix phenomenon that although powered by small communities, never goes away. Wikipedia needs an article on this. MSTing is characterized by riffing, or the telling of humorous running commentary that relies on alternate interpretation for jokes. Sporking is another example of this phenomenon that is powered by caustic criticism, or the telling of humorous running commentary that relies on pointing out the problems in a work. The line between the two is nonexistent in some cases.
In addition, there are both text and video versions of this phenomenon. MST3K being the most famous example of both the broader phenomena and MSTing in video format, with RiffTrax also being notable.
Are you going to allow the TVTropes article to one up you in all of length, quality and accuracy? Help to document this important and universal aspect of fan activity. Merge the related concepts together to build bulk.
--174.35.187.168 (talk) 13:55, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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