Talk:Harry Sassounian

message: For the claim he is seen as a hero by the Dashnaks/ARF no source given, I've found it and added.
(AYF and Armenian Revolutionary Federation support Sassounian as a “martyr”, a “hero”..)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chonanh (talk • contribs) 03:27, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hero 

message: In two places in this entry, someone's trying to tie the California politician Paul Krekorian to this convicted criminal. The tie-in is a claim that Krekorian petitioned the U.S. federal government on behalf of Sassounian (who is in the custody of the State of California, not the federal government). The only evidence offered for the claim is two letters to the editor that make the same claim without adducing any evidence. If someone can link to an actual news story reporting on Krekorian's alleged intervention, then we can consider whether such an intervention would be worth mentioning in Sassounian's biography.--Arkunets (talk) 02:36, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Krekorian 

message: Every article he has written has done nothing but paint Armenia as an anti-Semitic country, writes nothing but positive things about Azerbaijan and Turkey. Here is one of his articles claiming Armenia is anti-Semitic. Baku to the future: Azerbaijan, not Armenia, is Israel's true ally Rima Varzhapetyan-Feller, the president of the Jewish community of Armenia, said about Guain "Maxime Gauin, who presents Armenia as an anti-Semitic country, himself publicly supports the ultra-right party of Turkey, the Nationalist Movement Party. Apart from its stated position supporting the denial of the Armenian Genocide, that party is known for propagating anti-Semitism and xenophobia. Yet, Gauin turns a blind eye to this.” Everything he writes tries to praise Azerbaijan and denigrate Armenia. I dont know how that is not bias. He doesnt even use any sources for his claims. Here he is denying the Armenian Genocide. The Turkish-Armenian dispute: Who has something to hide? He claims Armenians collaborated with the Nazis. Plus he is a a researcher at the Center for Eurasian Studies in Ankara as well as being a member of the Uluslararasi stratejik arastirmalar kurumu (USAK). He said "OK. I am not, and I have never been, a temporary intern in USAK—another error of the “report”. I am a full time researcher in this think-tank. That is true that I have for the moment no personal page on the Internet site of USAK, but it should change soon."  Ninetoyadome (talk) 02:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maxime Gauin 

message: A Google search for Sassounian parole gives:
*A few reliable sources talking about earlier, unsuccesful, attempts to get parole
*A few possibly less reliable sources talking about how he was paroled in December 2016.
Given the attention that this got in reliable sources such at the LA Times, it seems odd that they should say nothing if he is now paroled.  Maybe I am missing something though.  Has anyone found a definitely reliable source saying that he has been paroled?
Yaris678 (talk) 12:24, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paroled in December 2016? 

message: I. The diplomat's name is Arıkan, not Arikan
II. The assassin's official name is Harry, not Hampik
III. Grandmaster's unsubstantiated deletion of LA Times source that called Arıkan a denier of the Armenian Genocide. Both Sassounian and prosectors said so
IV. TC America and ANCA are not just cultural groups. They are pressure, lobbyist groups
V. Rearranging sentences to delete duplicated information is not POV. It's just cleaning up
VI. Western Armenian and "Armenian" are not separate languages.
- 217.149.166.11 (talk) 22:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see that LA Times calls Arikan a denier. And what does that have to do with murder anyway? Sassounian's name is Hampig, according to sources. Your edits look like apologism for the murder, it is not in line with WP:NPOV. Grandmaster 19:32, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're accusing me of murder apologism? Again, his name is definitely not "Harry (Hampig)", it's either or. And judging from your edit history, you love to fight with others editors too. 217.149.166.11 (talk) 19:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Then, I know that as an Azerbaijani you take issue with the genocide, but Arikan's denial was the impetus for the killing. Without mentioning it you make it sound like Sassounian was mentally deranged and just wanted to murder Arikan without motivation. But the event was political, so the genocide DOES have something to do with it. Heavy POV from you ! 217.149.166.11 (talk) 19:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The court determined the reason for killing, it is in the article. And Sassonian's claims are also presented. We don't insert our personal opinions here, and the lede of the article must summarize the content neutrally. Grandmaster 19:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Hello Grandmaster, see my latest edit summary pls. 217.149.166.11 (talk) 09:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taking out the trash 

message: I propose merging Kemal Arıkan into Harry Sassounian. The content on Arıkan's page is identical to the one on here and can easily be explained in the context of Sassounian alone.217.149.166.11 (talk) 03:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: These are two distinct persons. Arikan had a career as a diplomat before being murdered. It is better to keep the articles separate. Grandmaster 15:22, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Grandmaster, Arikan had and has no significance besides being assassinated. This is not Harvey Lee Oswald! Also, i would like to have the opinion of others besides someone who accused me of cheating Wikipedia --217.149.166.11 (talk) 09:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's just give every Turkish diplomat their own page, no ? --217.149.166.11 (talk) 09:24, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If he was murdered by terrorists, then they do deserve their own page. But this person was a prominent diplomat, so he certainly deserves a dedicated article. Grandmaster 11:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Give me one source of Arikan's "prominence" before being killed, Grandmaster. Kemal Arikan's only noteworthy accomplishment is his death at the hands of "terrorists". And that can easily be explained in the context of Sassounian. And I really want other editors involved too, particularly those who edited here:  --217.149.166.11 (talk) 13:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Merger would make sense. Both the assassin and the victim are essentially known for in the context of the murder, none of them is otherwise WP:NOTABLE, hence I would put the assassination (currently replicated in both articles) in the title and have sections on short bios of the assessin and the victim. --Armatura (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Both articles should be merged into Assassination of Kemal Arıkan. The event is notable. Neither figure is independently notable outside of this event. See WP:ONEEVENT. AlexEng(TALK) 02:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, I fully agree. Thank you for the enlightment--217.149.166.11 (talk) 03:45, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Agree with merger, per notability reasons. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal