Talk:Isaaq

message: As neither Isaaq nor Isaaq clan have very much information, it doesn't seem like much of an issue to redirect one to the other, but I thought I'd bring it up for discussion anyway. While "Isaaq clan" has more text, I think the article  should simply be named "Isaaq" as there doesn't seem to be a need for disambiguation. Thus I suggest we move the contents of "Isaaq clan" to "Isaaq," and make the former a redirect to the latter. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed and done--good catch!  --Dvyost 19:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect

message: The sources of the article are now named, so the label can be removed.
S710 12:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources now named

message: As this page is dedicated to the Isaaq clan the conflicts within the clan is neither important not  it is relevant. I suggest starting a page which links as Isaaq(conflict).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by L33ter (talk • contribs) 10:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicts were removed 

message: I have removed the section "The Qaddiriyah Order Of The Sufi." There was no explanation of the relation (if any?) between the order and the subject of the article (other than a very general indication that the order has adherents in East Africa). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 13:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Qaddiriyah Order Of The Sufi 

message: The History and Lineage sections did not include any attribution, though the article had been tagged as needing sources since August 2007.  Feel free to restore the text, if it can be verified. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 17:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed unreferenced text 

message: Sharif Aydarus Ali Aydarus Al-Barawi (d 1347 A.H) the a fore mentioned author wrote his book titled 'Bughyat Al-Amaal Fi Taarikh Al Soomaal ', the first book of history on Somalia and an early account of Islam and Arab migration to southern Somalia. Also the author wrote a short book on the origin and history of the ancestor of the Isaaq clan , in his short book (Thamratul Mushtaaq Fi Manaaqib al Sayid Isxaaq 1947.) Aydarus Al-Barawi a southern Ashraf of Yemeni origin detailed the life and times of Sheekh Isxaaq Ibn Ahmed Al-Alawi (d 560 A.H) both in his early life in Yemen in the 12 century and his later migration to Zayla where he eventually died after fathering the modern eight Isaaq sub-clans and the other four Yemeni Isxaaqis. Its ironic that he man Dr Mukhtar relies on contradicts his entire thesis of denying the Arab origin of the Isaaq nation, one must ask how could it be possible that such mistake was rather accidental from Dr Mukhtar's part and not deliberate.
Western Somali specialist can be dismissed in making their wild unsubstantiated argument against an Arab case for Isaaq and Daarood due to the fact of the limitation of their research based both in language (only English) and their early concocted theories about the Origin of Isaaq and Daarood, but an Azhar graduate and a Middle East specialist Dr Mukhtar have an access to all Arab historical documents regarding Sheik Isxaq and Daarood, his case is more of scholars prejudice rather then simple ignorance.
The earliest records mentioning the genealogy and life of 
Sheikh Isxaaq Ibn Ahmed in modern Somalia were known as far as the 523 A.H 1127/1128 A.D, almost eight centuries ago, Mohammed Hassan Al- Basri in a short biography written some times during his return to Damascus from the horn of Africa wrote about the journey of Sheikh Isxaaq from Mukha to Zayla, in his manuscript titled ' Al-Asjad Al-Mandum Li-Taariikh Wal-Uluum' presently housed in the Al-Dahiriya historical library of Demescus, Al-Basri detailed the life of sheik Isxaaq both in Yemen/Zayla and later Mait where he eventually settled with his tow wives and children and where presently his tomb is located. Again the southern Dr choose to ignore the established historical evidence and continue to dwell in his Banaadiri/Southern fantasy.
There are over six books mentioning either sheik Isxaaq or one of his ancestors to claim all these documentation are fantasies manufactured on behalf of the Isaaq clan during the 12th century by Arab historians is far fetched non sense, yet both Western and Somali specialist continue without examining these sources to rely on Richard Burton a man of yesterday filled with his white British supremacy claiming to have laid his small foot on Zayla before all other foreigners despite the fact he just arrived in 1854 and I.M.Lewis who for half a century studied Somalis but never looked far beyond his anthropological thesis. The western Somali specialist suffer from a tunnel vision, often instead of making an impartial candid study of Somalis and judge the simple historical record and keep their ideas to themselves instead choose to reaffirm their already pre-conceived idea and stamp it on the Somal. The days of Cushite/Hemetic and Afro-Asiatic labels are numbered and Dr Mukhtar and his likes are dangerous in one aspect and that is their suffix Dr/Proff/Historians qualifies their rubbish to be taught in universities and self perpetuate itself.
The scope of my short essay is not an account of early Islam in Somalia nor is it a comparative study of Zayla and Mogadishu, its a simple awakening call for so called Somali specialist to cease the old speculative theories on the origin of some Somali clans and concede the historical record and unique history of every clan, there was no such a thing as 'Somalis' during early Islamic times , there was only a group of Black Berber as Ibn Batuta himself a white Berber referred to them, tribes living in modern horn of Africa each had their own historical arrival be from across Arabia or from central Ethiopia highland , each should be studied separately and this over all inclusive term 'Somali' should be avoided , no modern Somali clan considered himself 'Somali' as late as one century ago, the Dir were Dir and Isaaq were decendent of Isaaq and Daarood of their Daarood ancestor. The southern collusion can't discredit the medival Arabic manuscripts and literature almost a thousand (Al-Basri) years old regarding the history of Sharif Isxaaq Ibn Axmed Al'awali with few pages written in western institutions financed to perpetuate the Europeans theories on the origin of the so called Somalis collectivly, its well established fact that shiekh Isxaaq and the Isaaq people have a legitmate case of their origin judging the flimsy opinions by somali students and their Western masters versues the well documented history of sheikh Isxaaq through the Arab literature  —Preceding unsigned comment added by M-ustafetani (talk • contribs) 20:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: I have merged or redirected a number of sub-clan articles to Isaaq.  For the most part, I made these redirects, not merges: In most cases the sub-clan articles consisted of unreferenced information and an unwieldy (and effectively non-useful) list of sub-sub-clans.  This article certainly would not gain anything from merging that information.  In all cases the sub-clan articles did not add attributed information beyond what is already presented in the Isaaq article. Exceptions were a couple of "notable individual" listings that were actual blue links that I merged into this article.  This does not preclude having separate sub-clan articles in the future, but at this time the articles really did not stand on their own. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 17:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See also: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Somalia#Sub-clan articles and redirects. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 14:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merges and redirects to this article 

message: Please see the RFC I opened at :Category talk:Somali clans.  This is in regards to the inclusion criteria for the sub-clan listing.  (Also see :Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Somalia#Clan lineage.) Thank you. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 18:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC at Category talk:Somali clans 

message: A user has added a section titled "Genetic evidence contradicting Arabian origin of Isaaq", where he states the following:
In 2005 the Department of Forensic Genetics of the University of Copenhagen in Denmark had examined the Y chromosomes of 201 Somali immigrants living in Denmarkhttp://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n7/full/5201390a.html.Some interesting findings have been made which shed more light on the true origins of Somalis. According to this research the overwhelming majority of Somalis belong to haplogroup E1b1b within this haplogroup the rare sub-clade E1b1b1a1b (E-V32) is the most common which is unmistakably of Horn African origin and quite rare in Yemenis and Arabians in general. It is unlikely that none of the tested men were of Darod origin, as Darods make up a large proportion of the Somali diaspora and the Somali population in general http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/cia_somalia.pdf.
The first source that he cites actually directly contradicts his claims since it states outright that "East Africans are more related to Eurasians than to other African populations. Investigations of Y chromosome markers have shown that the East African populations were not significantly affected by the east bound Bantu expansion that took place approximately 3500 years ago, while a significant contact to Arab and Middle East populations can be deduced from the present distribution of the Y chromosomes in these areas." The source also does not mention either the Darod or the Isaaq Somalis. The second "source" is just a link to a map of the geographical distribution of the various Somali clans. All in all, a pretty clear-cut case of synthesis. Middayexpress (talk) 21:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Synthesis

message: ;April 2010
Arab (Arabic: عربي‎)http://en.allexperts.com/e/a/ar/arap.htm Is the dominant tribe of Hargeisa and is part one of the sons of Sheikh Isxaaq Binu Ahmed,  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anadiif (talk • contribs) 15:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you cite a reliable source for any of this? -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  As I've already pointed out to you, the Allexperts site is a mirror of Wikipedia. Your link is an old version of a Wikipedia article.  We can't cite Wikipedia; see WP:CIRCULAR. Thank you. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 02:43, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Again, you are referring to an old version of a Wikipedia article (WP:CIRCULAR).  In this case, it's an old version of Arap (for example this edit).  "Arap" now redirects to "Isaaq", see "Merges and redirects to this article" elsewhere on this talk page, as well as Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Somalia#Sub-clan articles and redirects. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 14:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

text: P.S. You are welcome to participate in the current discussion at Wikipedia:CNOTICE#Somali clan listings. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I have added this as a separate account (source: ), rather than modifying the existing clan trees which cite their own sources. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 21:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  But also see User:Middayexpress's comments in the #this is not correct section on this page. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 22:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab/Arap 

message: I have added two new photos of the Isaaq Tomb which are a stamp and a photo from the 50s.
showing that its old not like new other clan tombs Darod .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muktar allebbey (talk • contribs) 23:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: septemper2011

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message: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=syATJKcx5A0C&pg=PA257&lpg=PA257&dq=history+isaaq+clan+tree&source=bl&ots=qk1LYARVlI&sig=lyOd-BUtTfdRr0mHr0xL43odogw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yKxTT46HGc6L4gTI89HfDQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAjgU#v=onepage&q&f=false .
which by the way is an English source and hope to improve this page which is lacking a lot of information .and viva somliland  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muktar allebbey (talk • contribs) 18:09, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What is it you want to do, exactly?  Please propose the wording you wish to use, citing the source you wish to use.  FYI, when I click on this link I get "you have either reached a page that is unavailable for viewing or reached your viewing limit for this book." Also, another editor has previously raised concerns concerning this source; see #this is not correct elsewhere on this page. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I get a book page at the link but I really am not sure what you, Muktar allebbey, are trying to say with that page or with what you are typing here. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 21:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  i am showing you the tree of the Isaaq clan which by the way you don't want to see and its OK with me and that he didn't have only one wife but two....(history isaaq clan tree) and the source is in English thank God so you don't say it is in an another language   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muktar allebbey (talk • contribs) 21:14, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again, regarding the Lange source, please see #this is not correct elsewhere on this page. And you haven't given a good reason (beyond "all your links are bad or old or tormented") as to why you are deleting the existing sourced content. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 13:49, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

text:  I'm not sure, either, particularly when the edit in question concludes with "but needs evidence" (). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 20:02, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

text:  Also unclear is why anyone would have two tombs (as opposed to, say, a tomb and a cenotaph), especially located so far from one another. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 22:41, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

text: You've changed "one of the Prophet Muhammad's early followers", which cites its source, to "one of the Prophet Muhammad cousin Ali" which doesn't make sense, and also without providing a source (other than leaving the existing citation in place). Regarding the Darod content, note that neither I nor CambridgeBayWeather added it.  Rather, until now, you hadn't specified any reason for removing it. For what it's worth, I think it was there only for the sake of comparison, and as such, I don't see how it's harmful. But I've reworded it for now.  Also, you copy-pasted from this source, which is not allowed (see WP:COPYVIO).  But see also WP:USERGENERATED and WP:SOURCES regarding that web page. You've re-added "non of the English soldiers will but foot in the big cities and that there wafies should be left in Adan and not give birth to children" which I can't understand (no offense). I've responded earlier in this section regarding genealogy and Isaaq's wives. Finally, you changed the interwiki link to Arabic Wikipedia, but actually I can't tell if either link is valid. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 13:49, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Thanks for taking all of this into consideration, but there are still some problems. I logged in from a different computer and I was able to see the I.M. Lewis source at Google Books.  There is nothing there that corroborates your assertion regarding a second tomb in Yemen.  In fact, Yemen is not even mentioned, and I don't understand why you even cited this source. (I'll also note that Lewis himself makes the comparison between Isaaq and Darod, which you complained about when it was mentioned in the article. But that part has been reworded, anyway.) You said that Isaaq's tomb is one of the oldest in Somalia but you didn't provide a source for this (and you did it in such a way that it was separate from the rest of the image caption). Also, regarding the clan tree, you changed "there is no clear agreement" to "there is clear agreement."  This doesn't make sense, in light of the fact that you've now posted a third version of clan genealogy.  No offense but I can't understand what you were trying to say about Aydarus Al-Barawi. I had previously suggested that you specify exactly what you wish to change, before making the changes. Please try and get WP:CONSENSUS for what it is you're trying to do.  You haven't been as aggressive in your actions but note that [WP:3RR]] still applies. (Note that the interwiki link to Arabic Wikipedia had been fixed in the meantime) -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 15:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Sheikh Isaaq's tomb is in Maydh/Mait in northern Somalia, not in Yemen. The cited article clearly states this too: "Al-Basri detailed the life of sheik Isxaaq both in Yemen/Zayla and later Mait where he eventually settled with his tow wives and children and where presently his tomb is located". The article does not state anything similar to what was added to the wiki page (viz. "The legacy of sheikh Isaac in not only found in Somali land but also in near by Yemen where there is a other tomb calming to be of that of the sheikh, but needs evidence"). That is original research. Flickr also is not a reliable source per WP:QS. For the rest, have a look at WP:CIV. Middayexpress (talk) 14:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

text: The part you added about Isaaq's being one of the oldest tombs in Somalia, is not mentioned in the Lewis source. All it says is that the tomb is located near Mait (Maydh). Also, in the clan tree section, I don't know why you keep changing "there is no clear agreement" to "there is clear agreement". The edit history of that section will show there is little or no agreement, and even now the article includes different versions (all sourced). Other parts of your edit simply aren't clear ("treaties ... containing that the English will maintenance there independence and in response the Isaaq people pledging them and their successors....").  And, as previously mentioned, please see WP:USERGENERATED and WP:SOURCES regarding the maanhadal.com source (especially that you're using it to replace a published book). You complain about sending the article "back in time," yet these issues have been previously mentioned, and you haven't addressed all of them. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 21:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Now you've simply reverted to the earlier version, about which Middayexpress already explained the problems. For example, you've re-added the unsourced information about the tomb in Yemen, but it also re-introduces other problems that had been cleaned up in the meantime.  In fact, it re-introduces problems we were discussing back in March - how could this improve anything?  As for the Lewis source, it does say the tomb is old, but that's not the same thing as saying it's one of the oldest. (And the Flickr sources, being unsuitable, are also unnecessary.)  You've made a point regarding the maanhadal.com source, but the information you're adding from it still isn't clear: no offense, but it looks as though you copied and pasted it, and changed the words just enough so it wasn't a copyvio, except now it doesn't make sense. I can appreciate that the clan lineage has mainly been an oral tradition, but WP:V still applies (we are trying to avoid having lists like this old version). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 03:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

text: To what Gyrofrog wrote, I'd add that much of the edit was difficult to understand/incoherent. There was also errant spacing and other formatting issues. Also, just to correct one thing (although this is off-topic): Somalis historically actually used a modified Arabic script called Wadaad's writing to transcribe documents, and later, the Osmanya alphabet, among others. It's the Somali alphabet based on the Latin script that was formalized as the national orthography in the 1970s. Middayexpress (talk) 14:49, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: write about the other leaders of al shabab which come from darood and hawiye clans in thier pages first or simply leave the object if you are not fair expess. .http://sunatimes.com/view.php?id=392) (undo)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.237.211.179 (talk) 01:56, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Alshabab

message: Come on now Mo Farah and Hadraawi are not Notable Isaaq people? please be Neutral or objective or prejudiced.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadraa (talk • contribs) 02:11, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that most or all of the articles about those individuals do not even mention clan affiliation, or cite a source.  See WP:Source list, and in some cases WP:BLP applies as well.  But fair enough, this isn't the only Somali clan article with this issue - point taken. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 05:13, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Isaaq people   

message: The article contains the following sentence: According to early Islamic books and Somali tradition, the Isaaq clan was founded in the 12th or 13th century with the arrival of Shaykh Ishaq ibn Ahmad al-Hashimi from Arabia, one of the Prophet Muhammad's early followers. A follower of the Prophet Muhammad arriving in the 12th or 13th century? Either the sentence is garbled or this is nonsense. Maybe whoever wrote this intended to say that the fellow who arrived in the 12th or 13th century was descended from one of the early followers of the Prophet. In any case this should be corrected. Contact Basemetal here 12:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, it's meant to say descended from. Middayexpress (talk) 15:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this? 

message: when any fair person looks at the two biggest clans of Somalia hawiye clan and Darod clan you will find tens of notable people with no soures what so ever and the isaaq notable people are deleted by more then have simply for the need of sources. hope we work in fairness to improve our work and not just paias against one article not the other thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadraa (talk • contribs) 18:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a good point, though in the case of the Hawiye article, it had at least been tagged concerning the same issue. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 14:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

text: See also my comment from 2012 at Talk:Darod#Notable people and Talk:Hawiye#Notable Hawiye figures. Meanwhile I'm working on both articles. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 15:14, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why ???? 

message: AcidSnow, Hadraa is actually right about Omaar's clan affiliation. The man comes from a prominent Isaaq family. His father was a successful entrepreneur, who owned many businesses and real estate properties in Mogadishu, where he was born. Middayexpress (talk) 16:34, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, that wasn't the problem but rather his source. AcidSnow (talk) 16:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood. Middayexpress (talk) 17:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Isaaq

message: AbwaanRoble, please note that according to John Walter Gregory, the musings of Richard Burton were based on atypical Somalis . Burton's genealogical claims are therefore apocryphal per WP:REDFLAG. Also, as per WP:NOTADVOCATE, the genealogies proffered by Mohamed Eno are also unreliable since he is apparently a Bantu-centered advocate of "Afropolitanism" . This is a euphemistic term for Afrocentrism . You can't complain that the genealogies collected by the British Somaliland government on the patriarch Ram Nag are unreliable for the Dir clan, yet in the next breath assert that redflag and Afropolitan claims are legitimate for other clan forefathers. Soupforone (talk) 03:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, WP:MAINSTREAM on wiki means high quality within a particular field of science or scholarship. The experts in this area are scholars such as I. M. Lewis, not polemicists and the like. Anyway, be well. Soupforone (talk) 02:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Burton & Eno

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thread_title:  Eli muse 

message: I have removed the Dir connection because it is incorrect. The vast majority of scholarship accepts Isaaq as a stand alone group and not part of any other group. The citation attached to the deleted segment was from a book written by I. M. Lewis, he was stating what some of his local sources had told him and not accepted facts. In most of his writing, including the book the citation was taken from,  he mentions Isaaq and Dir as separate groups, and again here. He is not alone, as the vast majority of scholars refer to Isaaq as a separate clan, see here,here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. There are many more but I hope that point is clear. There are some mentions of links between Isaaq and Dir like this, but its weak as the author (same I. M. Lewis) states that it is some other Somali that 'pseudo-histrically' regard the Isaaq as part of dir, and clarifies that they (the Isaaq) themselves deny it.Kzl55 (talk) 22:58, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dir 

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message: Kzl55
The book you cited is Richard Burton's - First footsteps into East Africa. The Author died in the 1890's so could not have possibly witnessed the final raid on the dervish. Haji Waraba leading an exclusively "Habar Awal" army is an outright lie and so is the outrageous claim that the "Habar Awal forced the other clans into Somaliland and dominating them until unification". This is all lies and you have the audacity to accuse people of vandalism. Be objective and stop editing articles to fit your qabiilist agenda. And please next time you edit an article atleast provide a proper reference. GeelJire (talk) 20:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ciyaarta naga daa

message: There is controversy on whether the Isaaq constitute a stand alone clan or they are part of the Dir clan family. There are many reputable and notable scholars and organisations which have covered this issue. There is a big reason why the content explaining controversy should be kept. If you dispute this, please discuss here before you removed sourced content. Thank you.Shirshore (talk) 22:26, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of reputable sources confirm Isaaq to be a stand alone clan. This is not new information and is echoed on Britannica. You are edit-warring across multiple articles currently, this style of editing is not looked upon favourably in Wikipedia and may lead to sanctions. Please continue using the talk pages and reach consensus first before restoring contentious edits. Kzl55 (talk) 12:34, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

text: Ok. If I provide reliable and notable sources will this information be added to the page? Am not arguing that some also don't consider it a separate clan family, am saying there are others who believe Isaaq is part of the Dir clan. I think this information would be useful to Wikipedia readers, because it would for example explain why the Isaaq are classed as being part of the Dir clan by the Somali government etc.Shirshore (talk) 06:08, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is what does the majority of reputable sources indicate? As @Kzl55 stated, the majority of reputable sources indicate that Isaaq is a standalone clan. Promotion of minority views clearly goes against neutrality guidelines for Wikipedia. Koodbuur (talk) 19:36, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isaaq and Dir 

message: I want to add a file which furtherly prove this page. Dahalson (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:49, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 September 2019 

message: In the clan tree section the Habar Jeclo tribe link keeps redirecting to the Isaaq page even though there is an article about the Habar jeclo. 
The redirection should be removed and it shall link to habar jeclo article directly. Zaki199105 (talk) 22:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  habar jeclo 

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message: Replacing this photo with a higher quality version that I have uploaded & linked below
 WanderingGeeljire (talk) 10:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: These are th same image and there is no discernible difference in quality. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 October 2020 

message: Isaaqs are not Arab, we’re Dir. The Sultan of Dir even listed the lineage of the subclans at a conference and Isaaq was one of them,  plus Isaaqs take part in  Dir Conferences. People have bent the truth to deny us our lineage and push us against Arabs which we have nothing to do with. This bogus lineage about Arabs is completely fabricated. AbdirahiimYa (talk) 14:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isaaq are Dir and not Arabs 

message: Issaqi (talk) 01:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2024 

message: Issaqi (talk) 01:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2024