Talk:Point shaving

message: In the article, "from covering a published point spread" is hardly a useful explanation. What does it mean? What is point shaving?
OK, if New England Patriots are given a -13.5 point head start against the Giants in Super Bowl XLII(presumably same margin for the Crewe's team back then), for the Patriots to shave points, they would secure a 2-Touchdown lead, then let the Giants in, so the Patriots will never win by more than 2 TD's.  Of course, this indirectly affects the total combined scores sometimes.  
To disguise points shaving, the combined scores could be quite big.TimHowardII (talk) 19:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening comment 

message: The third paragraph of the other sports section of this version of the page appears to make no sense. Large deviations from the mean are totally normal. Consider the stock market, it has these all the time. There is no reason variation from the mean implies something is wrong. There is also no reliable source for these claims. 018 (talk) 02:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Luckerkd, consider the sentence, "The observed deviation from the mean (or average) is what makes these outcomes so unlikely." It makes no sense. What does "these outcomes" refer to? There is also no support for the claim, and it is, essentially, not supportable. The process has a variance and the claim is that it is inflated due to point shaving, but it could also just be larger than the person claiming it is point shaving believes it should be. The source offers no evidence for this, it is just a bald claim. This might be okay if it was a very reliable source, but it isn't. Why do you think this is a reliable source? 018 (talk) 01:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

text: It is copyright text, so I'm not going to add it but one sentence appears verbatim and another appears approximately.  They are the first and last bit of the third paragraph on the linked site. However, now that I look at it again, it looks like the site might be claiming that they licensed that text here too. 018 (talk) 01:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  statistical blatherskite 

message: I also wondered if this text was taken from the reference website and started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems#point_shaving
Which text are you talking about? Just use the History tab and you will find out that Luckerkd has done the most recent organiztion and cleanup for the article. Luckerkd (talk • contribs)
:It is copyright text, so I'm not going to add it but one sentence appears verbatim and another appears approximately.  They are the first and last bit of the third paragraph on the linked site. However, now that I look at it again, it looks like the site might be claiming that they licensed that text here too. 018 (talk) 01:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: possible copyright violation

message: Pointshavers.com is a one-page site with nothing but a definition of point shaving and a link to a blogger.com profile that links to a number of spammy links such as "free MLB picks" and "guaranteed picks". Worse, the writing on this one-page site is pulled directly from primary source articles like this one: http://articles.cnn.com/2007-08-15/us/nba.ref_1_bet-on-nba-games-guilty-plea-tim-donaghy?_s=PM:US
While a clever SEO tactic, this site is non-notable, non-encyclopedic, secondary, and this does not belong on Wikipedia. I would suggest the creator of the site spend less time spamming Wikipedia and more time building up substantive content on your site so it becomes a legitimate citation source.
12.148.169.2 (talk) 19:21, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  PointShavers.Com links 

message: I think what happened in Germany was match-fixing not point shaving. Soccer is a low scoring game and so does not really lend itself to point shaving. On another issue,the section on American Football needs to either have at least one confirmed example. Tigerboy1966  09:57, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur and I've removed the section. It seems that  (inactive since 2016) made many changes to the article evincing an idiosyncratic interpretation of what "point shaving" means. jnestorius(talk) 21:15, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  German soccer scandal