Talk:King of Mann

message: In a constitutional sense, all the rulers of Man from 1399 onward were lords.  The grants of Richard II and Henry IV bestowed 'lordship' and other feudal rights and did not describe the recipients as kings.  It appears that English-grant 'kings' before 1504 used the style 'Lord of Man' as often as not; see, e.g. http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxsoc/msvol04/v3p013.htm , even though by tradition Thomas, 2d Earl of Derby, who succeeded to the lordship in 1504, was said to have renounced using the title 'king', 'preferring to be a great lord rather than a petty king'.  Henry IV's grant of 1406 governed the tenure and succession of the Isle of Man without emendation all the way down to the time of the succession dispute of 1595, which was resolved by regrant in 1610 (see John Parr, An Abstract of the Customs and Ordinances of the Isle of Man, [Manx Society, vol. 12, Douglas, 1867], pp. 28-40 on the succession dispute and the review of tenure of the Stanleys under Elizabeth I and James I).   Most lists of Manx rulers reflect this, e.g. http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/people/lords/index.htm, where all grantees from the English crown are simply listed as 'lords'. Therefore, why make such a distinction of kings before 1504 and lords after?  Shouldn't  material on the two pages King of Mann and Lord of Mann be redistributed to reflect the scholarly consensus? 68.166.238.18 (talk) 05:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lords versus Kings

message: Two questions regarding the current (20Jan08) Pretender details;
:* Should his full name be given so as to ensure no confusion with other David Howes in the area?
:* Would it be more correct to state where he currently resides, Frederick MD, rather than his State of origin? --Heraldic (talk) 16:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt there will be confusion as to his identity. MrsBucket (talk) 19:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: David Drew Howe

message: Umm, featured quotes should be in, you know, English, not Latin. Please translate it. Use Modern English.
69.7.41.230 (talk) 23:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feature quote 

message: What about the Earls of March who held the title Lord of Mann? Tinynanorobots (talk) 14:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dunbar Lords of Mann 

message: *http://www.tvwritersvault.com/companyinfo/Dave_Howe_Interview.asp
*http://jeremyblevins.com/2013/03/21/the-curious-case-of-the-king-of-mann/
*https://web.archive.org/web/20100107023648/http://www.unrealroyal.com/
*https://groups.google.com/forum/?_escaped_fragment_=topic/rec.heraldry/VPeoBBplx4U#!topic/rec.heraldry/VPeoBBplx4U
*http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20628-king-of-mann/
*http://rec.heraldry.narkive.com/TXhU7Jzj/david-howe-still-king-of-mann
*https://davidhowe.wordpress.com/
*http://www.columbiasouthern.edu/online-degree
*http://namanx.blogspot.com/2011/03/king-dave-makes-iom-papers.html
*http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/welcome-your-majesty-1-7252107
*http://www.iomtoday.co.im/what-s-on/manx-entertainment-news/king-david-s-right-royal-romp-1-7462124
*http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/welcome-your-majesty-1-7252107
*http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3186977/Mechanic-discovers-heir-throne-Isle-Man-researching-ancestry-online-travels-3-000-miles-claim-title.html
*https://sites.google.com/site/artofman/
*http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/suddenly-royal/all-hail-the-king/
*http://theitem.com/stories/tlcs-docu-comedy-suddenly-royal-has-its-charms,253684
*http://www.medialifemagazine.com/suddenly-royal-scoot-away-quickly/
~~ Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 07:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: tv-shows/suddenly-royal/all-hail-the-king

message: This page states that the reign of William Montagu, 2nd Earl of Salisbury, ended and the reign of William Scrope, 1st Earl of Wiltshire, began in 1392, while the pages for both of them state that the transition occurred on 3 June 1397. 
Both pages state that, in 1393, William Scrope acquired the title. But did he take the throne in 1393 or on William Montagu's death? Vasusrir429 (talk) 16:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent reign for William Montagu, 2nd Earl of Salisbury and William Scrope, 1st Earl of Wiltshire