Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Archive 12

message: === Next Pokémon Creature Article ===
Did an update of all the noted articles, so people can fix what's wrong without having to ask what's wrong. If you complete something, just strike it out. Highway Daytrippers 17:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Focus Articles 

message: Did an update of all the noted articles, so people can fix what's wrong without having to ask what's wrong. If you complete something, just strike it out. Highway Daytrippers 17:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next Pokémon Creature Article 

message: Cleaned out to gut old discussions. Archived FFAs. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 03:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next Miscellaneous Article 

message: I've been overhauling Pokémon game mechanics and need some help as it's an exhaustive project.  I know it was in a sorry state a few months ago, got nom'd for AfD, and Highway went through and tore out everything smelling of cruft just to please the masses (the PP thing was my fault, I merged it and never got back to it to fixing it).  However we were left with a page that was the source from several redirects which no longer were covered by the topic, and other topics that would be expected to be covered on that page were on their own pages, without even a mention.  I've gone through and added several stub sections that can be written about and even written a few (bet many of you thought Pokémon moves could never be much more than a crufty list).  I really wish we could move away from having group foci on Crawdaunt and Quilava when Pokémon has a clean-up tag, Mewtwo is a broken GA, and a page like Pokémon game mechanics is so vital to lay-people understanding the game at its basic level.  If you don't feel the urge to write a whole section, I'd like some copyediting help for grammar and clarity, because sometimes i wonder if i'm being unclear or confusing. see the talk page for more specific questions.
Of course the only kind of cookie I can promise you'll get is the kind on your computer and you must be logged in, but hey it's something right?  Happy editing!
-ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 18:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I started an overhaul of that article in late November, but I only saved my work as drafts on my computer, I never applied any changes to the article. I am once again working from those drafts now, and finding it a bit difficult because I’m also trying to preserve the work you guys have done since - even though you went in a very different direction in some cases. If I wipe anything out, please don’t take it personally, and instead of reverting it, please help me find a way to blend my version with yours. --WikidSmaht (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help Zappernapper with his current pet project, get a cookie 

message: Many of the Pokémon articles have Japanese names in them. Is this really needed in the English Wikipedia? Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 03:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the original name in the original language is important. -Amarkov blahedits 03:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, as the names were all originally Japanese and the games are Japanese in origin. It's something stated at WP:MOS-JA as well as in what is more than likely a manual of style for this project.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I wasn't familiar with that guideline. Thanks! Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 04:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese 

message: Hah. Anyway, I added to the cleanup tag the ability to track the date of taggage (well actually, I compared the code to the new cleanup tag), so I should ask that, since Wikipedia itself doesn't want the generic cleanups without dates, and for the purposes of organisation for cleanup, that articles are tagged with their cleanup date (eg.  ). - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 06:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|poke-cleanup}}'s new groove 

message: Well... The name “Chatot” is - ugh - official now. I hope its annoying voice is slightly less set in stone, and I really wish it had been Parrap, seeing as it even did a rap in its first appearance. Anyway, anyone who is so inclined may now go through articles by hand or with a bot, replacing “Perap” with “Chatot”. --WikidSmaht (talk) 14:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed in the Chatot article. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chatot

message: Another editor has added the "" template to the article Dark City (Pokémon), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the  template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 03:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's basically an episode summary of "Showdown at Dark City".  I see no reason to keep this article if it's already summarized in the List of Pokémon episodes.  --Brandon Dilbeck 06:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Dark City (Pokémon)]]

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 12:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the discussion was closed (perhaps prematurely) with a no consensus.  I've updated the above link. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 15:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:pokefair }} 

message: I've asked for semi-protection of the Sinnoh Gym Leaders page because of IP edits that have been chaning the Japanese names with English names. I've asked them to stop but they have refused. -Sukecchi 14:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: It has been given protection....regardless of how little information is there, perhaps we should work on it a bit?-Sukecchi 19:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protection: List of Sinnoh Gym Leaders 

message: Er, there are still some admins in here, right? If not, someone please reply to this and let me know. Anyway...
Ugh, thanks for not telling me about the deletion of Template:pokerefs. I won’t bitch about it too much since there was apparently consensus, however compiling and listing those references took quite a bit of time, so could an admin please retrieve the text for me?( The edit text with markup, please, not just display text.) You can dump it to a subpage... I guess User:WikidSmaht/pokerefs will do. Oh, and the very thorough Mr. Titoxd deleted the talk page, too, so I would appreciate if you could dump that to User_talk:WikidSmaht/pokerefs since I listed some other useful things there that were not included in the actual template. --WikidSmaht (talk) 19:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be a lot easier just to ask an admin directly...go ask A Man In Black, or something. Hbdragon88 00:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Need admin help

message: Fourth generation being so new, certain articles only have game sprites for pictures, including the two new Eeveelutions. Ech, is there anywhere from which to get true pictures? Niki Whimbrel 16:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By "true pictures", I assume you mean like Ken Sugimori's Bulbasaur.  I don't know where the pictures come from, but I insist that if we don't have Sugimori's art for a Pokémon, we keep its sprite in the article instead.  A while back, I think someone was removing the sprite images in anticipation of Sugimori's work even though it wasn't yet available.  --Brandon Dilbeck 18:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: the pictures were found at pokemonelite2000.com as stated in their description pages, however pictures for the latest release aren't available. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 01:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sprites vs. real pictures... 

message: Well rather than try and create this page and have it shot down (and because I was having a hard time coming up with content) I'm entertaining the idea of a Glossary of Pokémon terms, my admittedly lazy example can be found here.  This page is in the spirit of pages like Glossary of American football and List of poker terms.  You see more at List of glossaries.  The most controversial aspect of these types of articles is a lack of sources, something even our regular articles become faced with so often that we resort to refbloating.  neways, for an experiment, i'd like to invite everyone to edit the page in my sandbox and see if we could actually make a respectable list of terms for those who don't want to necessarily read through the whole in-depth article on Pokémon evolution or Pokémon game mechanics just to understand some basic concepts. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 00:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A glossary page proposal 

message: Me and Honeymane are having what is quickly becoming a spat/edit war, so just give me an answer as to whether the "Japanese name" field in the species infobox is for the Romanization (i.e. Sunnygo) or Roma-ji/katakana (i.e. Sanīgo/サニーゴ).  The  on all Sinnoh Pokémon pages just powerfully suggest Romanization only.—ウルタプ 03:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I've gathered, trademark names can go into the Japan name box, where romanisation and pronounciation are kept to the article's start name. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 04:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've suggested a change to the template to bypass this debate entirely here. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 16:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Arseus and Moltres are examples. Any objections? ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 17:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Examples? How so? --WikidSmaht (talk) 21:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Japanname" field 

message: What about a small subsection on this page showing userboxes that people can put on their page, saying they're part of it, support it etc.? Cipher (Yell) 22:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add :Template:User WikiProject PCP to the Templates section of our project page.  --Brandon Dilbeck 23:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I lied.  I put it under the Participants section.  Someone please feel free to rewrite what I wrote or move it or whatever.  I don't care.  I also thought about adding the template to the page so people could see what it looks like, but didn't because it would add the project page to :Category:Pokémon Collaborative Project members.  So if someone knows how to add the template without adding the page to the category, do so!  --Brandon Dilbeck 23:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userboxes 

message: Akin to how Electabuzz got included in Wikiproject Cats, Vaporeon was recently put in the scope of the Cryptozoology wikiproject because it was listed as a type of merfolk.  I've removed the cat and the tag from the article. Just leaving a note here in case anyone really thinks it should've been kept like that. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 19:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why the hell is Electabuzz in the fictional extraterrestrial category? X_x -Sukecchi 19:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd assume it's because of the plugs on the heads of its evolutionary family. :x - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 22:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aren't ALL Pokémon considered from "this" Earth outside of the whole "coming to Earth on the Moon Stone" thing?  And I don't think Vaporeon counts as an acknowledged cryptid just because it's got a fish tail.These other WikiProjects are getting kind of annoying…/swt—ウルタプ 22:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And it is particularly annoying when anyone seems to think that WP:OWN doesn't apply to them, as seems to be the case here. Honestly, the purpose of categorization is to link related articles. If you all don't think that your characters should be included in categories that relate them to other entities, then it makes sense not to put them in those categories in the first place. If you do, then I can honestly think of no one else who deserves the criticism than the person trying to link something to something else, and then complaining when someone else actually does so. Badbilltucker 22:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I’m not sure who that was aimed at, but, assuming it was us: The point is that Electabuzz is NOT related to any cats or extraterrestrials, and Vaporeon is not related to merfolk. And it’s certainly not a cryptid, because no one claims it to exist in the real world( except maybe that one dude from a few months ago who kept writing that Jynx and Mewtwo had been sighted in the US and Europe), and its existence in the Pokémon world is well-known and documented. No one objects( at least I hope not) when Meowth or Skitty or Nyarmar are added to Fictional Cats, or when Deoxys is a Fictional Extraterrestrial, because those categorizations are correct and consistent with the internal reality. --WikidSmaht (talk) 23:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: 493 is a lot of articles, but clicking through to remove bad Categories shouldn’t take more than an hour or two, especially with the convenient National ’dex navigation. I would, but I’m up to my ears in Poképrojects already, what with finishing the sortable list and the Game Mechanics overhaul. --WikidSmaht (talk) 21:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the things I am trying to do with the assessments and banner placement of all the projects that do assessment (and they all will do assessments, sooner or later :) ), on the Philosophy and Religion Project Directory page is straighten out the categorization there to remove the overlapping, so I can understand the frustration. Right now, unreal as it sounds, all of :Category:Jainism falls in the :Category:Jesus, and that's just one of the more obvious ones. Sorry for having been overcritical earlier. Going through particularly the cryptids was more than a little nerveracking. Were they biological, mythological, paranormal, or just causes of migraines? Thanks for your consideration, and my apologies again. Badbilltucker 01:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More fictional cat[egory] problems... 

message: For some reason, I can't move the page. Is something wrong? TRKtvtce 14:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea about why you can't move it, but the name's not officially confirmed. Keep your hands off the article!!! Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 16:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If you read WP:MOVE, you will see that you can’t move the page because Mantyke has an edit history. The move cannot be completed without an admin’s help. However, as Raven’s said, the name Mantyke is NOT offical, because Serebii.net is a FANSITE, NOT an official Nintendo source. That is probably the correct English name, but until it is OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED in the games, the anime, or an OFFICIAL Nintendo publication/press release, it will stay Tamanta on the Wikipedia, where we only deal with credible sources. --WikidSmaht (talk) 21:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamanta to Mantyke 

message: I've been working on Snorunt for a while now, and I've gone through a good deal of Good Articles and pulled format and used Torchic as a guide
for a couple things. I've implemented Pokestart, and added in a lot of the starters for the TGC, Anime, and such. I also cleaned out some of the crap and added a huge chunk for the video game section, not to mention, I added every source there at the moment. I'd like to get this at least to be nominated for Good Article some time soon, but I'm not sure what this needs before I even bother considering doing that. Any suggestions on what to do?
P.S.: I still need a good few pictures for the article, which are listed on the Talk Page. If you could help me, I'd be much obliged. I'm going to see what I can do about a few of these, but whatever help I could get would be appruciated. Jeri-kun 01:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, your work is paying off - it looks a lot better to me than most of the other articles.  The biggest thing I can see is that the first paragraph of the video game section is a bit on the cruftish side - the info about its XD appearance could probably go, as can the details of Shoal Cave's tides - but other than that, it looks like it's well on its way.~e.o.t.d~ 04:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned that up a little, and shuffled some of the cruft out. Thanks for the catch. But I'm still not perfectly happy with it... Any more opinions or should I go ahead and self-nom? Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 12:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions?

message: Victory Road (Pokémon) is such a tiny, stubby article...I don't think it deserves an article (if this deserves one, then something like Rival's house would be justified as well).  However, as this transcends more than one generation (it exists in R/B/Y and R/S/E), it can't easily be merged into any article.  Suggestions?  Prod, AFD?  Merge into a new article titled List of notable locations in the Pokémon video games (which would encompass locations such as the Rival's house, player's house, the Pokémon lab in the player's hometown, and the big corporation that the evil organization wants to take over). Hbdragon88 03:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the games, it is the final dungeon before the Elite Four, right? Mabey it can get a paragraph there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spriteless (talk • contribs) 16:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is there to say about the rival's house that would warrant its own article?  --Brandon Dilbeck 21:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing, I think that’s the point. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victory Road 

message: I am a pokemon fanatic and I an name every pokemon, specis, ect. I would love to help! Can I? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Race99999 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, just be bold and get cracking. We need all the help we can get, most of our articles yet have to receive GA status. Oh, and do mind your typos. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 03:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Ditto. In particular, please note that it is “Pokémon” with a capital P and an accent over the e, NOT “pokemon”. Ever. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help Here 

message: Check this out. "493" (inserted using ) links to Pokémon. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 07:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hahaha, subtle but fun. Pi as well... Hehe. Cheers! - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 08:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Another? There was one before? --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this one. --The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 08:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another PokéMotto 

message: This is something that's been on my mind lately. I've a lot to say about how English names are handled in Wikipedia, be it news from Serebii.net that requires a paragraph overlooking WP:V, nonstandard implementations merely to notify readers about how names are mistranslated (and WP:CVG suggests usage of Template:Future_game), and placeholders that simply don't work right with the style guides. I consider all these non-standard. What are we, and what would I, be supposed to follow? It urgently needs discussion (and it covers our scope). Cheers. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 22:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, WP:V says that information should be taken from credible sources, per WP:RS, which, as Raijinili pointed out, suggests use of common sense as an occasional overriding factor. Common sense indicates that, although Serebii is not reliable enough to change the whole article, after being correct about Chatot it should be taken seriously to some degree at least. Besides, that reversion was more about destroying instances of “Buizel” than about restoring the paragraph, though I do think the paragraph is necessary. As for the footnote, like I mentioned on the D/P talkpage, I only added it because I thought I read that someone objected to  once it was released in Japan( perhaps it was this edit summary?).--WikidSmaht (talk) 06:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand better now. I guess it wouldn't fail too much to reference him. As for Future Game, it's there to point out any changes. I think the editor might have noticed the template saying "in development". Now, it says "unreleased", which makes it a more appropriate template for this. Thanks for the clarifications. Cheers! - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 06:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English name stufferabilia 

message: I've been seeing some back and forth switching of 4th generation names recently (such as the case with Yukikabli), so I've just been having doubts as to which are officially confirmed romaji and which are not. Is there a source for the official romaji or are the names just being changed based on "educated guesses"? Os-osiris 06:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the situation with Yukikabli was that fans interpreted "Yukikaburi" as that, then PCP came to the decision to use plain Hepburn, then "Yukikabli" ended up being official.—ウルタプ 06:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thanks for the clarification. I can assume all the current 4th generation names listed are official then? Os-osiris 06:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the ones with the "trademarked Romanization" column filled in here. The rest are straight Hepburn.—ウルタプ 06:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just what I was looking for, thank you very much! Os-osiris 06:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trademarked 4th Generation Romaji 

message: I have created  to replace the clunky wikitables currently being used. Hbdragon88 03:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: The clunky wikitables were stolen from Bulbapedia. --The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 11:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New infobox 

message: Hey, I'm a Pokémon expert and was wondering if I could help. I'm a very experienced Wikipedian and am willing to help out. Do you need me because if you don't, I'm having a fit trying to make and edit Twilight Princess enemies and such. So if you don't need me, just say so. Pokemon Guy 17:00, 02 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  You need help? 

message: Is "Heatran" the official romanisation for Hīdoran or is it some made up fan romanisation? If the intended name really was "Heatran" wouldn't the katakana be "Hītoran" instead of "Hīdoran"? --Candy-Panda 05:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is indeed official (as far as I know). The thing is, in Japanese, the katakana symbols ト (to) and ド (do) are the unvoiced and voiced versions of the same letter. Parts of words can change from unvoiced to voiced depending on what goes before them. ~e.o.t.d~ 01:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and it is confirmed at this Japanese trademark database; when you search for ヒードラン, it'll come up with a trademark application with the romaji "HEATRAN" accompanying it. To search, input the Japanese name, ヒードラン, in the top search field, then click the left button just below the search fields. After the next page loads, there'll be a line of text and two buttons appearing above the search fields while the rest will appear pretty much unchanged; click the left of these two buttons to see the results, which has the trademark application there.—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 01:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the English version of the page. :) It doesn't work with katakana, but it's definitely useful to refer to while using the Japanese site.~e.o.t.d~ 02:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heatran??? 

message: When are the Trading Card Game articles going to be categorised regarding class and importance? If nobody else is going to do it, can I, or can only certain people do it? Cipher (Yell) 16:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go right ahead, but bear in mind that I'm finally finishing the merges to List of Pokémon Trading Card Game sets, since those set articles are laden with unnecessary fair-use images, original research, and unencyclopedic lists. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorising TCG articles 

message: Just a reminder, PLEASE DO NOT refer to episodes as “Episode #[number], [title]”. JAPANESE AND ENGLISH EPISODE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT and the numbers you get from the Serebii plot summaries are Japanese. The same goes for manga chapters from Volumes 4-7, which had a restarted numbering system in English and a chapter split into two. Just refer to episodes and chapters by their English names if they have them( for the English manga chapter names, see that list I did a while back), Japanese names if they don’t, and if a number is ABSOLUTELY necessary, seek out the English number in Serebii’s episode list( or the chapter list I mentioned). --WikidSmaht (talk) 18:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: while i admit that i've occasionally put in the Japanese number in error, i'm of the opinion that numbers for the episodes are better for giving full sourcing information.  Of course the alternative is to use ref tags... i just wish there was a way to get labels to work within tables so we could just redirect all the pokemon episodes to the right location on the episode list pages.... oh well -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 02:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NO NUMBERS, PLEASE!

message: It looks like Pokémon has the attention of the Article Creation and Improvement Drive through the 14th.  This could come as a big boon to the article—look what ACID brought Death:  .  --Brandon Dilbeck 01:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That should help us with our miscellaneous article drive, surely! Cheers to the news, from Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 05:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, so they destroy articles with acid rather than help them... big deal. :P - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 07:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I prefer Sludge Bomb any day of the week, with 50 more power and a much better 30% chance of poison instead of a mere 10% of lowering defense. Hbdragon88 07:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Causing poison is the booby prize of special effects. It only cancels out lefties, and if you accidentally poison something with Guts, welcome to sweeper hell. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  (cough)Toxic! Bhamv 10:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Which is why I don't poison someone like Swellow.  Looking at Smogon, I'll add Ursaring, Heracross, Machamp, Hariyama, and Raticate to that list .  LOL.  I hope that I wouldn't be dumb enough to try to poison Heracross - its Psychic-type resists Poison. Hbdragon88 22:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Everyone's votes weighed equally (unless someone voted twice).  And Heracross ain't Psychic.  --Brandon Dilbeck 23:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: EH, pwned again. Struck out. Hbdragon88 23:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACID winner 

message: I just looked over the Pokémon (video games) article, and wow, does it need help. Considering that it's supposed to be the page for all general information about the games (with only brief synopses on the main Pokémon page), it should probably be getting a lot more attention than it is. The main series games' sections should probably be fleshed out a bit, and the significant "spinoffs" (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, etc.) need at least a basic overview - right now, they're just treated as an after thought. The "Unobtainable Pokémon" and "Glitch" sections are a bit long, and way too instructional. Maybe we should stop focusing on the main page for a bit and clean this one up instead. 蜻蛉の目e.o.t.d 00:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An article that needs a ''lot'' of love 

message: could one of our nice admins dlete this pls? -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 19:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Want to hear something funny?  I just met someone named Don Phan.  I asked if he had heard of the Pokémon, but he hadn't.  --Brandon Dilbeck 19:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Evil Milotic]] 

message: For those of you who never have seen :Category:Pokémon images, we've had approx. 1000+ images tagged with .  This makes categorization superfluous because it's not useful in any way.  This is similar to the large number of photos that get added to :Category:Nintendo screenshots (, :Category:Screenshots of computer and video games , and :Category:Screenshots of television .  In order to not only organize ourselves, but also help these associated categories, i've created new subcats to hopefully replace all instances of  or at least prune downn the parent category to a usable size, and also remove them from the ambiguity of their related categories (e.g.  belongs to both :Category:Nintendo screenshots and :Category:Pokémon images so we only need one tag and the image is adequately categorized without adding to the bulk of either). -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 18:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image categories 

message: OK, be prepared, Toy Fair has begun in New York, and the Pokémon Center is present, as well as Jakks Pacific with their 4th-gen Pokémon toys. We are talking about a LOT of new names in a short time span. Keep an eye out for a report on Pokémon at Toy Fair from a RELIABLE source. While the Jakks names may not be final( think 4Kids & Snubble), I believe they are a good enough source to finally allow the changes. Agreement? Disagreement? This also means that admins( you listening, AMIB?) should be prepared to delete the redirects and allow the moves of Buizel, Mantyke, and Electivire, once a reliable report surfaces. --WikidSmaht (talk) 19:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree.</br>Although this strangely isn't a dam-breaking of anon edits like Chatot and Elekible were, something like this seems a lot more reliable.  Besides, I doubt these could be beta names what with the games coming out in two months or so.—ウルタプ 19:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I read about this on Serebii, and I was like "Uh-oh. We're not gonna be having fun on Wikipedia for a while." It seems to be better than I feared though. Let's hope it stays this way. But I don't see why we can't trust them. I mean, Jakks Pacific doesn't name these things. The Pokémon Company coordinates all of this, IIRC. And anything from NYPC is almost DEFINENTLY official. However, its in our best interest to hold off on any changes beyond these few for the time being. Press releases or something equivalent is what we really need. We might as well change Buizel, Electivire, and Mantyke, though, but we should be prepared to have to undo or change something if need be. So, agreed.Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 22:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Also agreed; any names released through toys, etc. are most likely going to be official, and if they aren't - well, it only takes a quick revert to fix. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 02:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: How about some reliable publications? It's not like Toy Fair doesn't get mainstream press coverage. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a Google search and pulled up the Toy Fair's website. I've found a directory for the exhibitors, but I can not find Jakks Pacific, Pokémon Company, or Nintendo even. But, I do have to agree with AMIB. Unless someone can find pictures or something of these toys, or there is some sort of press release, I guess its in our best interest to hold off for now. (Although, if it is changed and wrong, then we can simply revert it. On the other hand, we're proving critics of Wikipedia correct, which would be a nice thing to avoid as much as possible.) Serebii HAS been wrong it the past, but they're usually right. I trust AMIB's judgment enough, though, to hold off. Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 12:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I found a directory on Google as well. There's something there along the lines of "POKEMON USA, INC."—ウルタプ 14:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't. But, whatever. I was looking to see if they had some sort of product list for the exhibitors, but it seems to be a dead end. Oh well. I guess all we can do for the moment is wait. Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 16:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: well you knew it would happen... serebii has released what they think the names are going to be.  You know, the nice thing about this is that we can use their archived news pages as sources for entymology (e.g. "According to the popular fansite, serebii.net, Mantyke's name could be a combination of Manta ray, the animal it is modelled after, and the word tyke which refers to a child.) At least then poeple couldn't come around saying we're just pulling these entymologies out of our a**es. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 03:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: prolly best to keep an eye on jakks official site. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 03:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, better yet, nintendo.com or pokemon.com, as Jakks seems to have no mention of Pokémon on its site anywhere thet I can find. I doubt that the initial online confirmation of names will take place on Jakks' site; seems to me any names will probably appear there only after they've been "revealed" on one of the Nintendo-run sites. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 04:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Toy Fair chaos

message: Penguin pokemon.  It seems to simply be a useless copy-paste of Pochama's article.—ウルタプ 20:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What the hell is that? .-. Did you list it for deletion?-Sukecchi 22:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I'm asking you guys o.o; I don't know the proper channels.—ウルタプ 22:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You’ve been on Wikipedia how long? You should learn to do this. Check out Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion and Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion to get you started. This seems speedyable as a test page to me. --WikidSmaht (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: and now it's a redirect... sometimes a better choice... prevents recreation :) -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 02:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for deletion 

message: while working on reorganizing the images, i noticed several have been lacking Fair-use rationales, and so have tagged them with  which places them in a new subcat of Pokémon images, :Category:Pokémon images without a Fair-use rationale (verbose, i know... but it's specific).  Since i was using AWB to tag these it wasn't really easy to check and see what articles might have been using the images so i was hoping some people could help to clear out this category by either providing rationales ( is our, debated, standard - however not appropriate for anime/film screenshots as it makes reference to the game inaccurately) or deleting superfluous images.  Many of these images also have no sources, but i might go back through all the images at once becuase it would be pretty easy to filter out those with no sources and tag them with another new template (anime/film screenshots are something i could more than likely take care of w/out having to tag ahead of time as they'd all just be sourced from serebii).  Anyone against me creating another tag? -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 02:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No rationale categy 

message: The page is only 129 KB long, after all. :) I think we're overdue for another archival of old discussions. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 08:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time for a new archive? 

message: I just thought I'd point out 's contributions to Wikipedia, inventing new Pokémon and listing them in a category for 5th-generation Pokémon.  --Brandon Dilbeck 19:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would take the time to find speedy delete tags for the article and category, but I need to catch a bus now.  --Brandon Dilbeck 19:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Unown (1-9)]]