Talk:Gentle Giant

message: Congratulations guys! You really nailed this biography. It was sooo lacking just six months ago! GG is my favorite band all time and you really do justice to its importance!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.148.54.94 (talk) 22:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality

message: I tried to make the article more neutral - there are so many vague terms that seem more like fan hyperbole. 
I removed this line:
Their music is described by one critic as "an unlikely mix of dissonant 20th-century classical chamber music, medieval vocal music, jazz and rock."
I found it on the Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock in a review by Mike Ohman. Is he a critic or a fan? (Maybe the line could return saying it's from a fan?) 
The album The Power And The Glory received the highest critical acclaim. -- I removed this line since I think it needs some reference to back it up.
In general, the page has a lot of opinions. I'm trying to clean them up, hopefully producing a better (?) page. (Please be gentle - this is my first major rewrite on Wikipedia!) -dvs- 21:07, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO, Mike Ohman should be regarded as a critic. He has reviewed enormous amounts of progressive rock and has shown little sign of being a Gentle Giant fan. Wurdnurd 21:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think of Ohman as a fan with encyclopedic knowledge who writes like a critic. Varlaam (talk) 00:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I'm slowly starting to add info to the Gentle Giant page and related ones.  I think we need to have an article for each band member and also a page for each album.  I have already begun on the albums by creating infoboxes and uploading the proper boxart, but these are still not much more than pretty stubs.  It would be nice to have more info on the albums themselves.
The same goes for the main band article (this one).  I think we could use some pictures of the band as well as additional information.  I'll add a bit here and there when I can, but my time is limited and I can't do this on my own.  --Comics 05:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Higher Quality 

message: Hats off to the author of the part on Compositional style! Respect!
I've listened to this band for about 25 years now but I find it difficult to understand much of this part. I don't have any musical education and I think the average user of Wikipedia does not, either. Wonder what they figure out of this chapter.
Furthermore I think that this part is way too dominant in the whole article. I don't mean it should be shortened, rather adding new material to the whole article. Much, much more in the History chapter, for instance, instruments played, etc...
Who should do it?
We - You and me = people who care about this band!
--Washington22irving (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too high quality? 

message: In the "See Also" section there's a link to Roger Dean, saying "features an image of the cover of Octopus". I thought that would have meant that the Wiki page for Roger Dean has a photo of Octopus, but I couldn't find it. Can this be reworded then? -dvs- 14:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have deleted the whole section.  The Roger Dean article does not have a picture of the UK Octopus album cover which he designed, as you noted.  Furthermore, Dean only did one cover for Gentle Giant.  I wouldn't consider him to the especially relevant to GG as he is to Yes, for example. –Comics (Talk) 23:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Octopus photo? 

message: Though popular believe has it that "On Reflection" contains a fugue, this is not the case. At best, the opening of "On Reflection" is the exposition of a fugue. However, if strict baroque rules are applied, this part lacks a strong countersubject, and as such might be better qualified as a round. I've decided to not apply the strictest rules and to accept the notion that this part has enough characteristics to be called the exposition of a fugue. Opinions? Wurdnurd 21:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fugue or not 

message: howdy, i studied Geir Hasnes Writing on the group and did some writing here as well .
please discuss on it! cheerso194.94.133.193 18:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Styles 

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replies: text: This has "not" been answered. Fair use here (in wikipedia) is considered valid only if used on the article about the actual subject - so in this can the album article. This usage here is to illustrate the band, which this isn't a picture of. A new picture (of the band) should be sought. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Gentlegiant.jpg

message: Hats off to the author of the part on Compositional style! Respect!
I've listened to this band for about 25 years now but I find it difficult to understand much of this part. I don't have any musical education and I think the average user of Wikipedia does not, either. Wonder what they figure out of this chapter.
Furthermore I think that this part is way too dominant in the whole article. I don't mean it should be shortened, rather adding new material to the whole article. Much, much more in the History chapter, for instance, instruments played, etc...
Who should do it?
We - You and me = people who care about this band!
--Washington22irving (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at the Blazemonger site and read with caution the Stump biog and you can start the process. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The "compositional style" section is very welcome, but quotes too much from the original source article and also repeats material found elsewhere in the main GG article itself. It also goes into detail in describing and defining specific musical terms in their own right. It could be considerably compressed, with the aforementioned definitions of musical terms replaced by links to definitions in Wikipedia. -- Dann Chinn (talk) 23:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too high quality? 

message: I have undone this recent deletion of material I added to this page, as (with respect) I believe that justifying it as action against "link spam" is overzealous and inappropriate.
The deleted material consisted of two links to MySpace pages devoted to the band (one of which itself linked to other MySpace pages each devoted to a particular Gentle Giant album). These links were not intended to promote the MySpace pages in their own right, but to provide Wikipedia users with quick links to pages with Gentle Giant soundclips. I am not personally involved with either page and only discovered them on the day of the edit. -- Dann Chinn (talk) 23:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undoing recent "link spam" deletion 

message: This section had just been deleted as being incomprehensible to the average person. I don't know of an average person at all interested in Gentle Giant - that was the point. However it someone can reword some of this in plainer terms that would be nice. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good save, and good suggestion. See my previous comment on compressing that section (it's in the "Too high quality" thread above). I'll see if I can do this sometime soon. - Dann Chinn (talk) 16:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. To the anonymous user who deleted the section: Arguably, a large part of the essence of Gentle Giant is in the formal aspects of the compositions. The whole notion of an article having to fit an "average person" seems absurd, as this of course depends on the subject. Normally, the introduction of the article should indeed fit the "average person", but in the rest of the article one can only hope to reach the "average person" with complex issues. Also, WP links _are_ part of the section. "Average persons" can follow links and can read. Please refrain from deleting again, and rather allow the WP community to try and word differently. Wurdnurd (talk) 14:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I've now made an attempt at compressing this section. Please read and discuss. If it really doesn't work we can revert the edit - but this section has been a bone of contention twice now and hence probably needs some kind of action. Note also that the link to the original article no longer works - while we're unsure of its long-term online location, I've linked to a cache page and noted the book in which it is published. - Dann Chinn (talk) 20:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My view is that this new version is far more readable and thus more comprehensible. At least it is a start in the right direction. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 22:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Music, songwriting and compositional style

message: Can someone show me how to put together a "current" and "former" member list for bandmates "hiding" the list of changes in band members over the years? If so, please leave a note on my talk page. Thanks! --leahtwosaints (talk) 06:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teach me 

message: The discography fails to reference the 1996 Out of the Woods and 2000 Totally Out of the Woods albums, both compilations of material performed for the BBC. I'm not a GG expert so won't modify the article. --Ef80 (talk) 18:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

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message: Since Three Friends (which appears to be currently defunct anyway) is effectively a Gentle Giant tribute band - albeit one that includes members of the original band - that only plays the music of GG, hasn't released any records, hasn't made any music of its own or received any major media attention, it can't really be considered notable outside Gentle Giant. I therefore propose merging the essential parts of that article into this one. Jah77 (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one objected, I went ahead and merged the articles. Jah77 (talk) 13:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger 

message: is run by  according to . There never has been an official website of the band. Sikonmina (talk) 12:00, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Who technically operates the web site is irrelevant. The point is that it is officially sanctioned by the band. Do you really think the Rolling Stones web site is run by Mick Jagger personally? Jah77 (talk) 15:34, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

text: www.gentlegiantmusic.com or its former URL are referred to as the official Gentle Giant home page on a number of cd re-releases from the last decade or so, so please stop claiming that there has "never been an official website" for Gentle Giant. Jah77 (talk) 16:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Which rolling stones website? Sikonmina (talk) 04:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

text: The site was founded by Dan Barrett, who is a massive GG fan, but it has gained official status over the years and, as commented by another user, has been listed as the band's website in multiple releases. Clausgroi (talk) 01:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  No official website 

message: As Alucard Music, for all intents and purposes, is just a publishing arm of Gentle Giant - its publications are limited exclusively to (re-)releases of Gentle Giant material - it isn't really notable outside the context of this band and all relevant info could easily be merged here. Jah77 (talk) 15:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Binksternet (talk) 17:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Klbrain (talk) 05:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger #2 

message: Today, reading the liner notes of the Scraping the Barrel box, I confirmed what I had suspected before: Gentle Giant is from Portsmouth, not London. The band spent most of their time in London because both the label and the studio(s) were established there, but that doesn't change the group's birthplace, which was the city the brothers Shulman lived. The same principle applies to the Beatles: although they were almost always in the capital, nobody disputes the band is from Liverpool.
This is a direct quote from Gary Green, the guitarist for GG: "After joining the band, I moved to Southampton and stayed with Martin Smith (...) From there we commuted the 25 miles daily to Portsmouth, the groups [sic] hometown, where we spent the first 5 months or so rehearsing the material that would become our first album (...)"
Does anybody have anything to counter-argue? Clausgroi (talk) 01:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band's origin