Talk:Mothman/Archive 1

message: "Killer Moth's appearance in the Teen Titans animated series bears a notable resemblance to descriptions of the Mothman." is false. This cartoon villain looks nothing like the moth descriptions anywhere. google the image and you'll see. Aside from being moth based, it is an obvious parody, the episoded ended with him destroying the town's suspension bridge.
:Moth-based and destroying a bridge? Certainly sounds like it was inspired by the Mothman, although they apparently took some liberties with the appearance.
The opening section of the Killer Moth entry states (apparently as fact) that "The name of the cryptid, 'Mothman', was derived from 'Killer Moth'." If that's a fact (which seems unlikely), it should be included in the Mothman article. If it's not a fact, but just somebody's inaccurate speculation, it should be removed from there.
:"Some anonymous copy editor gave it a name, spun off from the Batman comic character which was then the subject of a popular TV series. he dubbed the creature Mothman" - from The Mothman Prophecies by John A Keel, page 77. Note a complete lack of reference to Killer Moth. You'd better excise it from there I've removed it. Feel free to delete it if someone else puts it in again. Totnesmartin 08:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Killer Moth

message: 2nd paragraph:
Skeptics have argued (notably in the March/April 2002 issue of the magazine Skeptical Inquirer) that the most likely explanation of the sightings is excited eyewitnesses mistaking a barn owl.
-I removed this paragraph because (on the magazine's website, I haven't read the issue in question, however) there is no reference to Mothman and/or a debunking in the Mar/Apr '02 issue contents. However, the "mistaking a barn owl" story reminded me of the debunking of a completely different "mystery monster" story in another issue. That issue turned out to be the Nov/Dec 2000 issue.
Hypernovean 11:27, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ahh, sorry then. I guess there are a lot of "barn owl monsters" :) Hypernovean 03:11, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Barn owl (''Skeptical Enquirer'')

message: Regarding the changing of "none has" to . "none have" - this is a source of much grammatical debate. Purists say "none" means "not one"  and therefore is singular but many people feels "none" means roughly "none of the possibilities" and therefore is plural. I won't revert, just mentioning it. DavidWBrooks 18:14, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Although it is a bit late, the correct grammatical structure is indeed "none have" because "not one" is actually not singular; it is instead a plural negation - a disinclusion of many people into a group, and all those people are the subject. The phrase "not one" is just a figure of speech. I know it's not relevant anymore, but I hope it helps someone in the future. --Deriamis 20:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: None has or none have?

message: There is a movie out, on DVD as well called The Mothman Prophecies. Martial 
Law 05:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone sees the movie, please note that there are two versions: the regular, single, DVD; and the special edition 2-DVD box with interviews, etc.  I strongly recommend the latter.--MurderWatcher1 (talk) 16:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie out 

message: Do we have a source for that comment about Mothman being named for a villain on the '60s Batman series?   The moth-themed Batman villain was "the Killer Moth", not "Mothman", and the one episode of that particular show that featured him never actually aired.
04:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mothman / Killer Moth 

message: Yes, I know there's a reference to this in the previous Talk entry, but I see an edit war on the horizon since I've removed this two or three times, and it's been put back in every time.
:There is absolutely zero evidence to support any connection between Mothmonsterman and the Mothman.  People think Wikipedia is often wildly inaccurate for a reason.  You want to help Wikipedia gain a better reputation?  Stop entering baseless claims like this one.  Encyclopedias are based on facts, not opinions. Kestrel 17:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You want to help wikipedia gain a better reputation? Then try to be a bit nicer. 69.179.121.92 00:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I've taken this character out again, after consulting List of Aqua Teen Hunger Force episodes (he's in episode 3). The bad guys in that series are all either based on animals, or from outer space; there are no parodies of CZ creatures such as bigfoot or whatever. Therefore Mothmonsterman is pretty definitely not based on Mothman. And I can't believe I checked that just for one sentence... Totnesmartin 20:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ATHF Mothmonsterman 

message: How can things written before the sighting of the Mothman be referances to the Mothman?--Atechi 22:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HP Lovecraft 

message: Several items listed in the Popular Culture section are not focused on the main topic of the article.  The Mothman article is about "a strange creature sighted many times in the Charleston and Point Pleasant areas of West Virginia between November 1966 and November 1967."  Some of the items listed in this section reference creatures, characters, and entities that are moth-like, but are not related specifically to the "creature" the article is written about.  A good way to deal with this issue without losing the interesting information already listed here would be to create a new article about moth-like creatures, and to create a disambiguation article.  --ndyguy 01:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tag was removed by (19:25, 13 August 2006 Treybien) with no significant change to the section and no reasoning left in the talk page.  The tag was reinserted.  ndyguy 23:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: A reminder, the article is not about creatures that look like or are called Mothman.  It is about "a strange creature sighted many times in the Charleston and Point Pleasant areas of West Virginia between November 1966 and November 1967."  ndyguy 00:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture off-topic tag 

message: Dib's code name for the paranormal research group "The Swollen Eyeball" is "Agent Mothman"
-n8lewis
:Who is Dib? What is The Swollen Eyeball? Totnesmartin 16:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Invader Zim

message: The entire first sightings section is a mess and seems to repeat a lot of what was above. This should probably be merged to the history section of the article, removing all the redundant information. It also is totally uncited. Titanium Dragon 04:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First Sightings

message: Most of this is not original research, and is from Keel's book. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saintjimmy777 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

message: I just found out oabout this, but before the hurricane hit Mexicos coast, they found in Tapachula a strange dead creature in the streets. They describe it as whiteish, with the face like a bat, a small mouth like a pirana, wings, and tentacles for fingers. They say that it was analised, but they didnt find out what it was and when they where gonna send it to mexico city for analysis, the hurricane came. That sounds like the mothman, or coincidence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HeatGuyRed (talk • contribs) 20:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Source? Names of witnesses? Totnesmartin 10:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mothman sightings in Mexico

message: I took this out (an anon IP had put it in):
:::a recent "skull" or "bones" were found in Point Pleasent, WV. No one is really sure what to think of this. They aren't sure. They can't identify the skull as any animal they have ever seen. More information is expected soon from investigators.
No source was given. It it turns out to be true then it can go back in the article. Totnesmartin 16:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bones 

message: Does anyone know where the TNT Factory and "Igloos" are in relation to Point Pleasant? I am working on a project and needed some aerial photo's of the place(using google maps) but wasn't able to figure out exactly where those locations were based on the article. TheDragonMaster 20:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this  there are two white patches outside the town - presumably one of these is the TNT area. Totnesmartin 21:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, try asking here. Totnesmartin 21:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where near Point Pleasant? 

message: The intro states that the most recent sighting was in 2005, but this is neither mentioned elsewhere in the article nor does it have a reference. Can anyone help with this? Or should I just remove it? Totnesmartin 17:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2005 

message: I'm fairly new here and not sure how to properly address potential copyright issues, but many paragraphs of text in this article are word-for-word identical to those in the Mothman entry at http://www.skepticworld.com/cryptozoology/mothman.asp.  I don't know how to tell who's copying whom, but it looks like one article was cut-and-pasted from the other.
Suggestions on how to deal with this?
Tribolumen 16:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: you mean this?. Looks curiously familiar... I'll rewrite it. Totnesmartin 16:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright issue? 

message: What was wrong with those links? the articles are relevant, interesting and not simply spam. Totnesmartin 20:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fortean Times links 

message: The movie's page has a link to Indrid Cold, which redirects here, but this page has no information at all on Indrid Cold. Should something be added? I haven't read the book and I barely remember the movie, so I'm unsure if Indrid Cold is an important aspect of the mythos or not. Tredanse 06:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that this article is only about the Mothman creature itself, and doesn't cover the surrounding events, of which Indrid Cold was a (fairly important) part. There does need to be an article (Point Pleasant phenomana) or something like that so Indid Cold can get redirected there. I'll mull over this and try to have an article up in a day or two. Totnesmartin 08:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indrid Cold 

message: : Many locals refer to the monster as Tooden which is the pet name of James Earlson, a mass murderer who slaughtered 36 men on July 25, 1902.
This is suspicious. ... -- Toytoy 15:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This section was added by 68.201.70.122 on 18:42, May 22, 2007. -- Toytoy 15:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Earlson?