Talk:Kristang language

message: Has far has I now, there was never a creole in Angola, but a pidgin, that lives until today! It never creolized. The situation is similar to Brazil. Also Goa never had a Creole. But this is go material. The "YO" for I is natural some Portuguese dialects pronunce eu has "iou" or "ieu". this article has nice material to work on. -Pedro 23:18, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, a pidgin that lasts several centuries should not be dimissed so lightly. Is there more information on that pidgin --- who uses it, where, when, etc?  Thanks, Jorge Stolfi 13:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Angolan creole or pidgin?

message: "It is also spoken by some ...Singapore's former metropoli, United Kingdom."
Is the above sentence confusing to anybody else? So the UK is Singapore's metropolis? --Menchi 21:11, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Metropolis

message: I deleted these sentences from the article:
:In Singapore, a failed attempt to teach the Portuguese language was conducted at the old Saint Anthony's Boys School (1950-1953). The venture failed when financial support from the Portuguese government never reached the school.
If the language was really Portuguese, this information does not belong here; it  should be moved to Kristang people or Saint Anthony's Boys School (Singapore).Jorge Stolfi 13:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese or Kristang?

message: I deleted these sentences from the article
:The uncanny resemblance of Kristang to Kriolu of Cape Verde suggests influences over a wider range, possibly a unified development of many creoles over the world along Portuguese trade routes. (International relations in 16th century South-East Asia were defined by trading communities rather than state-relations.)
Note that I have edited those lines a lot, so the original text may have been saying something else entirely.Apart from that, the problem is that this sounds like a conjecture more than a fact; perhaps original research, or a superficial impression due to similarity in lexicon.  In particular, the claim of similarity to Kriolu is surprising, since the latter is said to have a Portuguese-based lexicon with a syntax partly influenced by African languages. So, before  we return these lines to the article, we need to know what exactly are those claimed resemblances.All the best, Jorge Stolfi 13:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The global creole development hypothesis

message: :The Portuguese sound nh [ɳ] often became [n], e.g. pequenino ("small") → kenino. 
As the very spelling indicates, there is no sound nh [ɳ] -- or [ɲ], which is probably what the author meant -- in the Portuguese word pequenino.
:Many Portuguese words that began with ch. had the original [ʃ] ("sh") sound changed to [tʃ] ("ch" as in "cheese"). So, for example, Portuguese chegar ("to arrive") and chuva ("rain") produced Kristang chegak and chu (pronounced with [tʃ]). This change was apparently influenced by the numerous Malay words that begin with [tʃ]. However, it may also have been derived from Northern Portugal dialects.
The digraph ch was pronounced [tʃ] in Old Portuguese. At first glance, that could also be the explanation. FilipeS 20:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid not. FilipeS 23:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors

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