Talk:Iyer

message: Now the entire Tamil Brahmin community,particularly the Iyer community, is a beleaguered community in Tamilnadu. Popular reasoning is that they are being made to atone for the sins they committed on the other communities in the past Karma. Majority find it comfortable to deport themselves to escape the wrath of the violent anti - Brahmin regime of all the parties that come to power in the State of Tamilnadu. Even the God has cursed them and the curse is that the communities will have everything like School, Colleges, Hospitals, Mutt, Corporate houses etc to them not serving them. The most intellectual of this community are those talking derogatory of the community to ensure respectability for the others. The lofty ideals of their way of life cannot now be followed by them due to the prevailing system that drives them to alienate themselves from any ideals for their life.
This has to be discussed because in a forum seeking Reservation for Brahmins, it is the Brahmins who voice opinion against it.
Sailapathi (talk) 03:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Karma or Reservation Policy

message: Hi,
Please remove reference to "Pudiya Tamizhagam, Dr.Krishnasamy". According to Wikipedia policies, Wikipedia should not be used for political purposes. The statements from that politicians who oppose Iyers and seek to marginalize them, should not be published. Also refer some court cases against him before polluting wikipedia. thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gvivek2004 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Message for Ravichandar

message: This article sucks. The outline sucks, there are too many sections, there is too much random information. Why can't it be done properly like any other article on a any other community? This whole Aryan origin stuff is also pointless - this is an Encyclopedia, and until there is evidence that Iyers are Aryans, it should not be included. A very brief mention of the politics of it can be made lower down, but this article is seriously nonsense. It sounds like a hotheaded politically inclined Iyer and non-Brahmin Tamilian have made this article; it looks like a compromise between two retards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.106.213 (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, of course, we ought to imbibe this article with extensive ultra-casteist propaganda like the other caste-related articles on Wikipedia. Anyway, since you find so many drawbacks in this article, why don't you create an account yourself and edit it. This article has 200+ citations, mind you, not one or two but 200. Now could you atleast find a single caste-related article in Wikipedia with so many sources. -The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 05:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've only referred about 50-odd books to write this article. Too little, perhaps! I hope this All-Knowing genius might be able to enlighten us with some useful knowledge on the Iyer community.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 05:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally thinking as an Iyer myself that this article could do away with the criticism portion and merge it with a greater article tamil brahmins overall are just a traditional community and ethnicity. 108.39.84.90 (talk) 01:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

text:  Oh no mister! I am not abusing you. I can very well understand that you are exceptionally great person from the way you contemptuously discard this article as "worser than articles on other Indian communities". But you see, I cannot recognize your abilities unless you could show them in "improving" this article.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 15:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

text: This article is cheap propaganda written with personal agenda by Non-Iyer  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.135.110.2 (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article Sucks 

message: The grouping of subsects is perfectly in accordance with Edgar Thurston, and to a lesser extent, Castes in Indian Politics and Jogender Nath Bhattacharya. This sort of alphabetical group of sections or sub-sections (which, of course, don't comprise a list) are unnecessary and disruptive, almost akin to vandalism. -The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 16:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-Sects grouping 

message: Is this editor trying to crack a joke?????-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 16:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The page is currently not accessible. Besides none of the "sources" you used mentioned the word "Iyer" at all. Please don't try to convertr Wikipedia articles into propaganda pieces or add your own original research. If you wish to use a portion of the webspace for projecting your own beliefs, try creating a blog of your own. Wikipedia is not a place to add nonsense.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 04:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Aryan invasion theory|Aryan invasion/migration]] during the time of [[Raja Raja Chola]]?????? 

message: I have reverted multiple edits by  as they removed long standing sourced content, and added dubiously sourced content like Iyers came from Arya, referencing it to etymologyonline for the word Aryan and so on. Unless some clear evidence is presented by the editor that the content doesn't belong in this article, it should not be removed. -SpacemanSpiff 02:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  User:Jaggi81 is a long-time vandal who indulges in persistent racist POV-pushing. See here. -The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 05:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do have a look at the blog he frequently provides as a source. Must be a P. N. Oak-kinda joker :D-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 05:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He has been blocked for a week now. I just noticed that. -SpacemanSpiff 05:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am beginning to smell a rat  here. User:Neutralpointofyou protested against the inclusion of claims that Tamil Brahmins migrated from outside and I replied by explaining that a large number of Tamil Brahmins could have migrated from Andhra Pradesh. Now, User:Jaggi81 claims that Telugu people were Aryans and hence Tamil Brahmins were also Aryans. Could Jaggi81 be a strawpuppet of Neutralpointofyou.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 06:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can assure you, that I'm not a sockpuppet of anyone. All I said was, that there is a new study out there about the origins of the Indian people. I have not denied any possible outside Tamil Nadu origin of the Iyers, only the outside India origin. --Neutralpointofyou (talk) 17:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

text: You should read the edit summary. -SpacemanSpiff 15:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert 

message: I have made some recent edits with a clear sense of purpose and based on well known and accepted evidences
1. The moment we include Gurukkals as Iyers we talk about Adi-Saiva Brahmins and not just Smarthas
2. That Link to an Aryan Origin, brings us close to Aryan theory and we dont need to give a detailed treatment in first paragraph as it is explained in much detail later in article and in the provided links within wikipedia and elsewhere. But what caused me to first change this paragraph is the use of the term popular tradition- Can something be a tradition just because it is only 50-100 years old. Imagine the consequence today informed readers know that the theories are only as old as 100 years or little more. But 50 years from now with repeated usage of such theories it could easily be assumed that it much older.So use of word opinion takes into account anything that can be classsified tradition and otherwise. Among other changes I have made, the evidence to the opposite that Iyers are not always North Indians comes from a genetic study that in general all Tamil Populations and castes have received gentic inflow from castes and populations from other regions of the country. This is sufficient to show that there is an evidence to discredit the opinion - Iyers are North Indians and other tamilians are pure south Indian because what we have is a generous intermingling of various castes. Furthermore if people want to still talk about no brahmin dravidians being somehow more tamil than others, we are still left with a very funny situation. That Nadars and other secluded tribes of Tamil Nadu can indeed be considered very ancient to this part of the country. At the same time these tribes were traditionally not among the best speakers of classical tamil, and as such there is no evidence of that, inspite of the tall claims being made by Nadars. The Nadar Tamil can usually best desribed as Nadar Tamil, which is very different from classical Tamil. Needless to say purely unmingled populations of Tamil Nadu are very small in number.
--Harishsubramanian (talk) 13:26, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Edits on Gurukkal and some small changes in presentation of a paragraph on Origin

message: I'm looking for credible sources that say Brahmins should abstain from alcohol. There are two sources in this article that are cited claiming that Brahmins are required to abstain from alcohol. These are:
# Universal History, page 104
# Doniger
I looked at the first source and I'm probably looking in the wrong place but this source seems completely irrelevant - it is about Armenia, Turkey and Persia.
The exact page numbers are not given for the 2nd source. Can anyone help?
Other sources that may possibly have problems:
# No page number -- 
# Self published -- 
# Mytho-history or pseudo-history -- 
# Self published -- 
# Self published -- 
# Broken -- 
# Self-published -- 
# Self published -- 
# Self published -- 
# Self published -- 
# -- Should be called legendary origin or something like that. It is not a correct anthropological account, just legend. 
# The caption provided for this image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Madras_Kappi.jpg] seems to be a WP:SYN violation.
-Zuggernaut (talk) 19:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources - self published, non-verifiable, etc 

message: Please remove Usha Uthup's name from the "patronage of art" segment. 
She was born an Iyer, but she is married to a Christain. 
Refer: the wikipedia page on her - "She is married to Jani Chacko Uthup." 
She had mentioned in an interview that she was baptised and therefore technically she is a Christian.
She is no longer an Iyer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.110.201 (talk) 08:19, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usha Uthup - Not an Iyer 

message: Orgin of this word
The work Iyer is corruption of prakrit "Arya" also Aryan, the terminal "aar" or "kaar" is added as honorific title of address.This terminal "aar" and "kaar" is still seen in Marathi language.
 Arya + aar = Aryaaar corrupted to Ayyar
         Arya + kar = Aryaarkar coorpted to Aryakar or Ayyankar 
203.192.196.157 (talk) 09:21, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a reliable source for this info. Pol430 talk to me 22:09, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 7 April 2012 

message: The begining of the article cites possible Aryan origin of the Iyers ( see similarities in the words ), but then says it is debunked by some research. I looked at the research and found that this was a fake science research done by Benaras Hindu University that has an agenda from Hindu fundamentalists that do not want to accept the Aryan invasion history. This research cited is not accepted by rest of the historian community and the existing linguisting and genetic research overwhelmigly prove that the central asian Aryan invasion thoery of India is true. There is nothing shameful about it, its high time the Hindu fundamentalists accept it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.96.55.163 (talk) 01:44, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: AIT is in fact widely mocked by the academic community, as our various articles on the subject say. It is to all intents and purposes a fringe theory nowadays. - Sitush (talk) 10:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aryan Origin 

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message: In the Criticism topic, there is some information with wrong reference. need to edit  Pdmurugan (talk) 10:07, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What is wrong? Please propose your changes here and, if necessary, provide reliable sources. - Sitush (talk) 10:30, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2016 

message: Hi, 
I would to talk /edit about content in Criticism section of Iyer wiki page.
The article reference 90 doesn't hold any authentication and not provided any support link and that is deadlink; You guys should remove the words about the Pallar immediately, its hurts lot which is never applicable to Devendrar/ Mallar/ Pallar; some bstrd purposely done derogatory remark on other community. It should be removed immediately. if any question or information on this, contact for clarification, would like to see  action on the same. Hope you guys understand the nature of the issues.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maruthanilavendan (talk • contribs) 13:16, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to remove it. However, we do not remove merely because a link is now dead, nor because something might offend someone. In this case I have come across the linked website before and it was hopelessly unreliable. I note that the Wayback Machine excludes it from its archiving. - Sitush (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  hi, i would to talk /edit about the content in Criticism of Iyer wiki page 

message: Hi I have a small video that I made as a part of a filmmaking class that shows the indian morning rituals in a Iyer household. What would be a good place to include it in? --Shrutim21 (talk) 04:11, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry but your own video is unlikely to be relevant to Wikipedia. I wish you luck with your film career. Itsmejudith (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video for sharing 

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Dalit leader and founder of political party Pudiya Tamizhagam, Dr.Krishnasamy admits that the Anti-Brahmin Movement had not succeeded up to the expectations and that there continues to be as much discrimination of Dalits as had been before.
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In above content there is inappropriate word Dalit related to Pudiya Tamilagam; Puthiya Tamilagam is party belong to Devendra Kula Vellalar Community, they are not related to Dalit at all, in Sangam period to till date their occupation is paddy/ agriculturalist(Kudumbar/Mallar, Kurmis in North) and worshiper of God Indra(Indira Kulam), They have rich spiritual heritages; Major temples in Tamil Nadu build by their Ancestor Pandiya, Cholas period; still they have first rights in all temple events and they are  are pure supporter of Bharatiya Janatha Parties Principals, welcomed first includes recent moves "Ban on Cattle Slaughter"; this is due to respecting Cattle as part of their day to day Agricultural usage life of their community peoples and respect / prey Cows in Pongal Festivals(In ancient period, its Indra Vizha) and many; 
I strongly object to use the word dalit in Puthiya Thamilagam or Dr. Krishnasamy. There are many dalit outfits include VCK / Arunthathiyar parties agree eating beef is there right in openly and thru films(Director Ranjit Films).
I request you to remove the whole contents Marked which hurt sentiments of Devendra Kula Vellalar. The link Provided [72], which purposely drag Devendra Community into Ambedkar.org; This article was made content with intention to derogate Devendrar Community and Puthiya Thamilagam. 
I would appreciate your prompt understanding and quick action on removing the marked contents, any information i would happy to assist. Thank you. RajeshPandian.sa (talk) 14:39, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: Someone kindly take a minute to add useful and interesting content to Telaga caste, Kapu caste, balija caste pages
Use the link - http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php
Also, Telaga caste is Forward caste. Mention it in the right column  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.107 (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  status column for telaga caste 

message: The page says Iyer is a "caste" in the Brahmin community, which is technically incorrect. Iyer is a "sub-community" in the Brahmin community similar to Iyengars, Namboothiris, etc. The word caste has been applied here incorrectly. Xodus99 (talk) 06:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you point to some reliable sources that I could add for the claim? Thank you. – Þjarkur (talk) 13:25, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: nil response to request for sources in 48 hours, so closing request.  if you provide reliable sources here, please reopen the request by changing "|answered=yes" to "|answered=no". NiciVampireHeart 14:48, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2019 

message: Notable people
* Sir CV Raman  "'Brahmins dominate all modern professions'". Rediff News. 12 October 2009.
* Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Astrophysicist, Nobel Prize Physics winner  "'Brahmins dominate all modern professions'". Rediff News. 12 October 2009.
* Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, Nobel Prize Chemistry winner  "'Brahmins dominate all modern professions'". Rediff News. 12 October 2009.
* Nambi Narayanan, ISRO Scientist
* Srinivasa Ramanujan, mathematician
* Akshay Venkatesh, fields medallist, mathematician
* V.S. Ramachandran, neurologist and neuropsychologist Anthony, Andrew (30 January 2011). "VS Ramachandran: The Marco Polo of neuroscience | Profile". the Guardian. Retrieved 18 April 2018.
* Srinivasa Varadhan, mathematician and Abel Prize laureate "Srinivasa Varadhan". Abel Prisen. Archived from the original on 5 November 2016. Retrieved 25 March 2018.
* G.N. Ramachandran, professor of biophysics, discoverer of collagen structure
* Rajagopalan Vasudevan, Indian scientist who developed an innovative method to reuse plastic waste to construct better, more durable and very cost-effective roads.
* Vasan Iyer, research scientist at the German Aerospace Center (DLR) https://www.linkedin.com/in/vasan-i-a9987919/ Vasan83 (talk) 11:24, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Another problem, many of these are Tamil Brahmins in general rather than Iyers specifically - Ramanujan for example is Iyengar C1MM (talk) 00:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2020 

message: Much of this article, especially the last part, is written specifically from the Brahmin point of view and attempts to either defame Dravidian parties or defend the Brahmins from the accusations against them rather than presenting them in an objective light. For example, it mentions "Alleged" discrimination when it is perfectly well-documented that the Brahmins did not allow most non-Brahmins from entering their temples, as well as a host of other casteist terms. Can someone please fix these issues? C1MM (talk) 01:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect sir it is the Brahmins who maintain temples from our point of view these are simply rules which must be followed to allow for the sacred atmosphere of the temple. Generally speaking a Brahmin should follow all the rules and hence preserve his own sacredness, lower varnas had a much less regulated lifestyle due to not being of clergy and hence were not allowed to enter. I agree this should be in #criticism. 108.39.84.90 (talk) 01:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significant bias towards Brahmins 

message: More information needs to go into the origin section. Readers are interested in knowing about the origin of the south Indian caste called Iyers. Currently, the origin section has a link to Indo-Aryan migration theories? What is one supposed to make of it? The Indo-Aryan article speaks about Indo-Iranian people originating in the Ural mountains somewhere in Russia. So you got onto a chariot in the Central Steppes and then arrived at the Indus Valley Civilisationaa while worshipping Indra, drinking soma, burning cows and munching beef jerkiesaa? Then the article talks about Aryan invasion versus  migration theory. So after conquering the IVC you thought that it would do good to demote Indra and switched to present godsaa? Iyers are scions and torch-bearers of Andronovo culturaa? Also, mention when Iyers migrated to south India as there is no information on this. And then the origin section has a link to an article on gene pool. What is this for? Are you indigenous south Indian people who took up sanskrit and vedic religion due to a fusion of cultures or are you of mixed ancestry? or are you an unaltered homogeneous gene pool from the time you arrived from Russia or wherever? I am not even going ask why most Iyers look south Indian so it is totally cool if it is the last one, just tweak the lede from Tamil origin to Tamil speaking Brahmins if it is just a linguistic affiliation. Nittawinoda (talk) 04:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This is so offensive.  μTalk 17:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The intention was not to offend but to rather draw attention. Again, the origin section has to be amended so that there is no misinformation unless it is part of some twisted strategy to elevate Iyers. All Iyers may have migrated from the Ural mountains in Central Asia. All Iyers may very well be homogenenous. No one is disputing this. But all Iyers are definitely not Brahmins and this migration does not necessarily make all Iyers Aryans. It is trivial to define an Aryan and this is beyond blood, bones and genetic composition. A full blooded Jewish person with no mixed ancestry could very well be Aryan. No, Aryan is not noble, it is something definite but I have no intention to expand further on an open forum like this. But the case rests, accentuating the European ancestry does not necessarily make someone Aryan so the origin section needs to be reworked. I have no intention to do anything with it due to a conflict of interest. Nittawinoda (talk) 11:55, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin section needs to be expanded 

message: To add to the lead of this article: the Tamil spellings of this name: ஐயர் and அய்யர். 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:09, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article

message: Traditionally, the Iyer community, which belongs to the Brahmin caste of South India, has predominantly followed a vegetarian diet, adhering to their cultural and religious beliefs. However, in recent times, there has been an observed shift in dietary practices among some members of the Iyer community, with a small but notable number choosing to include non-vegetarian food in their diets. This shift in dietary preferences is influenced by factors such as individual choices, cultural influences, and evolving societal norms. Mikey.patterson (talk) 15:54, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No reliable source provided. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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