Talk:Heimat (film series)

message: In the article there is currently this sentence: "There is no treatment of the hyperinflationary spiral of the 1920s, the Great Depression, or the Jewish Holocaust of WWII." 
This isn't really accurate. Characters in the 1920s episode refer to the inflation and cost of items, and periodically characters afterward will refer back to the hyperinflatonary period of the 1920s. Characters in the early 1930s refer to hardships they're facing, and characters in the early/mid Nazi era describe how better business is for them than it was in the earlier period. Moreover, Wilfried refers directly to the Holocaust in a WWII-era episode, and other characters refer to it more obliquely (Lucie, for example, in the 1945-1947 episode). The point of this series is to see the major events in Germany through the very specific prism of a remote, small village, so it's not Heimat's place to treat the Holocaust in the way a documentary on WWII, for example, would. 
Personally, I think Heimat made a mistake by putting Otto in the Germany army despite his mother being Jewish (which, um, also makes him Jewish), which seems incredibly unlikely considering the lengths to which the Nazis went to determine who had "Jewish blood" in Germany, but that is different from saying the series has "no treatment of the Jewish Holocaust of WWII." It does treat that subject, but only from the perspective of a village not near any concentration camps. It's not really reasonable to expect an expose of, say, concentration camps in Poland when the perspective of the series is by definition so limited. Do you see what I mean? Can we work on rephrasing this section?  Moncrief (talk) 16:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nine years later, I agree too. It does say now "limited treatment", but it could be worth noting what you have already said linking direct to film? 82.44.112.108 (talk) 08:29, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

text: I disagree about Otto. There is a book called Justiz Im Dritten Reich in which a case discussed is that of a Jewish man who was executed for making an Aryan woman pregnant (apart from that, I've been too lazy to read it). I was given a copy of it by the man who was born from that liaison. He was inducted into the Hitler Youth, but was too young to serve in the army in the war. Later he became a lawyer. He died only a couple of years ago. I am still friends with his sister who lives in London. Fuficius Fango (talk) 08:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: I don't agree with this sentence

message: Can we talk about criticism when the only source is a few page in a historical review ? I mean, "has been criticized", for me, it means that a certain number of people or famous cinematographic review has criticize this. Kenneth Barkin may be an good historian, but what I read is just an opinion, clearly not the truth. "Heimat has been criticized for its selective interpretation of German history."
Well, when you make a movie that cover 60 years of history, you have to be selective, isn't it ? This movie is quite long enough.
"There is little treatment of the hyperinflationary spiral of the 1920s, the Great Depression, or the Jewish Holocaust of WWII."
 I have not seen everything, but I clearly disagree with the last part. I remember an officer, at a family meeting or something, talking about his colleagues working at the crematories, and his wife look at him like : "Don't talk about that in front of the children." I think it's clearly what could have happened in a small village at the time.
 Its themes of decadent American values and Western corporate greed rising up against the innocent simplicity of the Hunsrück have been seen as "resurrecting a discourse that prevailed in the nineteenth century about the modernization of Germany's society and economy ... no compromises or delicate balances are possible" 
 "has been seen" = an opinion. Really this criticism is unfair. Look at the imdb comments and you'll see this is not the film people have seen. (heimat-viewer (talk) 16:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It does look like here, as if there was criticism from loads of people, due to the bulk it takes up in Reception. It could be changed, but it is hard to even find reviews even now, especially in English. There will be a lot more in German somewhere. We can't mention public reviews listed on Amazon or IMDB can we? As there could be something there if we can. 82.44.112.108 (talk) 08:32, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism ? 

message: The way the article currently presents it, one could easily believe this is actually movie made for a movie audience. As everyone know all three series were produced for and first shown on TV, even if they were filmed with filmcameras and also have been shown at special movie screenings later on. However, everyone knows how we define TV-series and movies and this one should be easy. Please change. /M96hardh (talk) 08:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is an epic movie, that for certain countries (and later DVD) was edited into more reasonable sized chunks to fit TV schedules. Karl, who serves as the story narrator, his "polaroid" recaps were made for the TV. But it was shown originally as a movie, even classified as a whole such if you'll see the BBFC. However, you would also see the sequels are classified in their seperate "episodes" for cinema release. 82.44.112.108 (talk) 08:35, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a TV-series 

message: Because of the films significance (because of its running time) it should be expanded the plot, production information, reception, and significance.--Paleface Jack (talk) 00:56, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion

message: I have seen that the Heimat page hasn't been very active or updated. Barely 250 edits I think I saw in past decade.
I myself have been watching them the past few months and noting everything down, as well as other information that will be incredible helpful to expand production and reception, as there is a lot of great detail in a booklet that came in the DVDs of Heimat 1-3. 
On my sandbox I have been re-creating this page and its "List of Heimat episodes" where once I have completed in several weeks I will update it all onto this main page.
It will include detailed synopsis for each film and it's "episodes" it was cut down to for easier viewing, and also the helpful information (Development, pre-production to release & reception) from the booklet in my DVD boxsets and some other websites. 
I am writing this purely to inform anyone who might look at these talk pages, as I feel it needs a major update as it is quite lacking at the moment, in detail and information linking to the 'sequels'. Heimatchen (talk) 09:15, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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message: After several months of watching the films and countless researching online and in books, I have finally managed to update the majority of the page. I have completed a great addition for "Heimat", but still in the process of Heimat 2. 
I will update and likely finish with Heimat 2 over Christmas/New Year. I will follow into Heimat 3 likely in 2018. "Fragments" and "Home From Home" I imagine will be a much easier task as much smaller 'films'. Heimatchen (talk) 22:05, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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