Talk:Characters of Final Fantasy VIII/Archive 1

message: Could someone edit the edea, kiros and ward pages for me as im new to editing the pages. Thanks!!!
: See Cid Kramer. 私はBluerfnです 10:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character Pages

message: I saw this disambig page: Edea and was going to redirect it here. But there seems to be no information on her. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 18:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it was there after all. I'm not quite sure how I missed that. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 19:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edea 

message: The article mentions: "It has been rumored that Irvine is named after Irvine, CA. Much of Final Fantasy VIII was created by "Square L.A.", a branch of Squaresoft located Costa Mesa, CA from 1996 to 2001. Irvine is a neighboring city to Costa Mesa."
Is there any evidence for any of this? I wasn't aware that anything other than FMV sequences were developed outside of Japan; if so, did Irvine have a different name in the Japanese version? I haven't heard so. If there's no disagreement, I'll chop this paragraph. Gamemaker 14:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That information was divulged many years ago, shortly before or perhaps after FFVIII's release in Japan. As I recall, both Irvine and Laguna were said to be named after towns that were near Square LA's offices. Certain key members of Square Japan were often at Square LA back then not just to work on FFVIII's FMV, but also to work on Parasite Eve and more importantly to begin the project which eventually became The Spirits Within. I don't remember exactly where the info was given, but I do recall that it was a reliable source at the time. Possibly mentioned in passing during an interview in Famitsu Wave. I won't insist that it be reverted back into the article, but more and more I'm finding it's a real shame that a lot of valid information is constantly being deleted simply because there's no URL or book that can serve as a convenient source. That, and also people assuming that just because they haven't heard something before, it must not be true. Druff 02:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a shame, but there is an important reason. If we can't source it, we can't say for certain it's true. Although it's often not the case, everything on wikipeda should be sourced. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 20:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was clearly marked as a rumor in the article. That should be enough. Druff 01:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irvine/creation rumour 

message: I read somewhere that Fujin and Raijin's last name is Kazeno. Can anyone verify this?
: I'm afraid this is based from fanfiction. You would done better to refer to the Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania instead. By the way Kazeno is japanese for "of the wind", so you could guess how the fanfics come up with these alleged names. Bluerfn 09:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fujin/Raijin last name 

message: This list is becoming a gameguide, with details on how to obtain GFs and details on where to go for backstory information bloating the point of the article...actually, I'm beginning to see that there isn't really a point for this article. — Deckiller 01:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article has too much game detail 

message: I really think that the profanity comment was unnecessary. Remember, Zone also called Squall a "son of a ***" on the White SeeD ship, not to mention all the mild profanity Zell uses. Removing. The Legend of Miyamoto 22:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the point in creating these pages - there is few information about them that warrant such action. All will be directed to the List of Characters article page instead. Good day. 私はBluerfnです 10:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cid Kramer 

message: "Not much is known of her history, but is speculated by many fans that she grew up in a time where people hated sorceresses (due to Edea and Adel), and they would also know about SeeD's victory over Ultimecia. Therefore, when she grew up, she chose the name Ultimecia and tried to defy her destiny (or fate). Of couse, this didn't happen, and thus came to the fate she wanted to avoid."
I know it's speculation, but it does give the main antagonist a reasonable reason to do the things she does. I know there is a source that can kind of back it up (it's in Edea's speech near the end of the first disk), but i haven't played the game in a while, so i can't source it. Jammi567 15:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's also unsourced speculation not supported by in-game information beyond creative interpretation by fans. Peptuck 07:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If you're saying Ultimecia isn't releated to VIII's events, then you obviously are not paying attention. Ultimecia was directly involved throughout all of FFVIII. Or did you forget that the whole time in the first two discs of VIII that Edea was simply Ultimecia in Edea's body? Peptuck 04:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rinoa/Ultimecia speculation

message: The FF8 character pages include blood types in the infobox.  Out of curiosity, is there a source for these blood types?
Given the Japanese cultural belief regarding blood types affecting personality, I don't think it's inappropriate to include this information, but I've never seen any mention of what the characters' blood types are in the game.  Bhamv 06:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Blood types are mentioned in the manual, I believe. I'd need to dig my copy up, its somewhere around the house here, but I think it lists age and blood type. Peptuck 06:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blood types 

message: Clearly this is more than a list of characters, but I am curious as to why the extra information is not in the main Final Fantasy VIII article so this could be moved to List of Final Fantasy VIII characters in order to be consistent across the series. Is there a discussion of this anywhere? QmunkE 21:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main article is already a featured article that would be too long if much of this information is transferred. See WP:FICT. If nothing else, I would prefer that all FF articles were more like this one, as this is much better than the simple list it was previously. Peptuck 21:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The others will be following suit, although they might have less out of universe information available. The main article essensially adopts summary style; details on how the cast was created were trimmed significantly on the main article for it to adhere to FA standards, and yesterday I dug them up, along with some new info, to provide more out of universe information for this article. Wikipedia has come to the point where it does not allow articles to be merely plot summaries, so those other lists will need to conform to this style. — Deckiller 21:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences with other Final Fantasy game character pages 

message: Hi; I'd like to nominate this article for GA status, but we still need sources for the kingdom hearts claims. Does anyone have the game manual? If not, I can use the website and/or script cites. — Deckiller 01:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the KH manual (as well as the KH2 manual). What do you need, specifically? I also have access to the Jiminy Journals (equivalent to the Clan Primer of FFXII, I suppose) of both games, if it comes to that. I'll copyedit and proofread tomorrow when I'm not dead tired. Axem Titanium 04:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, never mind; the KH info has been cited. Looking forward to that proofread. — Deckiller 05:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nom

message: Anyone think an image of a set of action figures or something like that might fly in the merchandise section to illustrate it? — Deckiller 18:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ? Kariteh 19:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That might work. — Deckiller 19:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: On second thought, I found an image of various FF8 pencaps; that might fit the section more. — Deckiller 19:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merchandise image?

message: The rewrite is complete. Teggles has added a merchandise section, which has potential to be a good couple paragraphs of great out of universe info. Back when the character section of the FF8 article was extremely large, it had details on individual characters; those have been added. — Deckiller 04:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it possible that the FFXII Character List could also be done in the same way? Bluerです。 なにか? 08:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. By the way, I re-added the spoiler tag, since we still haven't come to the consensus if we can exclude them from the "not so obvious" articles yet (although we can probably sneak a total ban into the manual of style). — Deckiller 16:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, we'll start out with references - in-game dialogs, just like this page had. Impressive listing by the way. I'd do it, but I have exams coming up so maybe I'll drop in some time. Bluerです。 なにか? 08:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. — Deckiller 16:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: I have reviewed this article for GA criteria and passed it! The article has a good lead section, good information, and good references. The images seem to illustrate the article well. It is also stable looking at the history. I can't think of areas to improve so I recommend Peer Review and possibly nominating for Featured status soon. Funpika 22:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA pass

message: i know it's mentioned in the main article of squall, but shouldn't it be put on this page as well? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jammi568 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hinted at enough so that it doesn't appear to be original research. — Deckiller 16:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's the line: After Raine dies, her child (implied by Ward and Kiros to be Squall), along with Ellone, is sent to an orphanage.. — Deckiller 16:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This article presents an overview of a major character.  Notice how Squall and Rinoa's sections are merely a paragraph each.  Further details go in the main articles for the character.  For something like the theory of Laguna being Squall's dad, it's more appropriate to just have it in the main article.  Bhamv 12:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That'd be fine if Laguna had a main article anymore! Seems it's been deleted. --MimiSard 15:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed the article does mention the father-son speculation in Laguna's section: After Raine dies, her child (who Ward and Kiros imply to be Squall in a conversation aboard the Ragnarok) and Ellone are sent to an orphanage. Bhamv 08:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laguna as Squalls dad 

message: From the article's introduction:
"Thirteen weeks after its release, Final Fantasy VIII had earned more than US$50 million in sales,[1][2] making it the fastest selling Final Fantasy title."
However, the 2 notes say nothing about $50 million (especially considering they're dated from 1999, far from 13 weeks after the game's release). Is this a problem of reference or am I just not understanding something? Kariteh 12:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Notice that the supposed link of the second reference was redirected to a different article? Edit: I've placed the correct link. Bluerです。 なにか? 13:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Something strange

message: The article has been featured! — Deckiller 05:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Woot! Break out the champagne! Awesome work, Deckiller! :D Peptuck 05:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Congrats man.  Kudos to you. :)  Bhamv 05:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And Axem, Teggles, and everyone as well! Thanks guys :) — Deckiller 06:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Great job. We're awesome. Congrats, yo! Axem Titanium 19:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Good job, guys! We are so awesome and thanks for helping me out on the FFXII article to FA status. Kudos to all of you and any comments? Sjones23 21:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, congratulations on a job well done. Bluerです。 なにか? 21:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job, awesome work, and kudos to you, Deckiller! I am working on improving the FFX character article and you can see my improvements here. Sjones23 19:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured

message: I'm not exactly sure why some anon changed the order of the characters, nor why it wasn't changed back afterwards, but I'm reverting it now. There is no real reason why some random strategy guide should trump the official manual included with the game. Axem Titanium 19:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially since the prose is written to introduce things in that order to avoid redundant retelling and confusion. Not sure why the order was changed either. — Deckiller 19:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character order 

message: Somebody removed my mention of her using a jump rope in this game calling it original research. I have played the game, and I have seen it. It IS a jump rope. I don't know how else I can prove this except for people to play the game and see for themselves. It is a jump rope. Brittany Ka (talk) 22:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selphie in Kingdom Hearts 

message: Does Cid remind anyone else of Robin Williams?
:Is that at all relevant to an encyclopedia article? Bhamv 16:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not, more of a POV. We'll never know if Nomura really had Mr Williams in mind when he designed Cid. — Bluerです。 なにか? 16:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cid looks like... 

message: Why have the character articles been merged? This page is now really long, and a lot of the information about subtle character has been lost, due to a need to keep the articles short and concise. Could the main/playable characters not get their own articles? I say playable, as Edea and Seifer, while not being playable for a long period of time, still have large roles in the plot.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.197.190.40 (talk) 02:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character merging 

message: Although it might not look like it at first glance, Rinoa Heartilly has really nothing to define an article. It's just a one-game character, and as such it is better to integrate the tiny development and reception bits into the main article. Only the second half of the development paragraph directly concerns Rinoa; the first half is just a generic bit about the female characters of the game. Similarly, the first paragraph of the reception section is just a generic comment about Rinoa and Squall's relationship; only the second paragraph is about Rinoa herself, and that second paragraph is just two small sentences that fit in two lines. The article has real-world content, but it's fairly small and rather generic (resulting in the fact that Rinoa might simply never attain FA). Overall, the information would be better presented if it were integrated into the Characters of FFVIII page. Kariteh 09:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree; the Characters of Final Fantasy VIII article is already long enough as it is, and I've been using this article as an example of a minimum standard of notability. — Deckiller 13:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a rather silly way to prove a point. Anyways, the details probably could fit here if forced, but the character really has enough to have it stand on its own (GA is a good limit for a "sub-sub -article"). Movies are such compact pieces of media that everything can be contained in the one article . TTN 14:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only claim to notability the article has is the two references on girl gamer websites (though these are borderline). More should be made of these, rather than reciting the plot. As usual for FF articles, there are no screenshots.--Nydas(Talk) 18:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Suggesting this because since the time the article has failed GAR, it hasn't improved at all, and there are only two bits of Reception when you boil it down (two come from the same source). A great deal of the rest can be boiled down, diluted and placed here with little complication.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea. People were initially against a Rinoa merge, but hopefully this will drum up support. — Deckiller 21:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with merge. The largest entry here has 4 largish paragraphs. The Rinoa info can easily be condensed to 3 paragraphs of plot and one of out-of-universe information, without losing anything important. And it would be a step toward keeping the FT.YobMod 10:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to merge Rinoa 

message: Not sure if you guys have made a triple triad page or not (If you haven't then you definately should), but even if you have could you not give a brief comment at the end of each character stating iff they are featured as a card and what stats they have?
Just a suggestion anyways, i really like this page and can tell a lot of time went in to it, keep it up!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrFelonVG (talk • contribs) 13:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Triple Triad has a section in the Minigames of Final Fantasy article.  That's probably the best place for it, since it most likely wouldn't be able to work as an article by itself.  As for the stats for each character's card, that wouldn't be allowed under WP:NOT since it qualifies as game guide content.  Bhamv (talk) 14:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triple Triad 

message: A very compelling explanation of Final Fantasy VIII's plot following Squall's "death" is very well has been formulated. It can be read at http://squallsdead.com/. I believe that this is one of the few speculative explanations of FF8 that would be a very interesting read to people who visit this wiki article. Not really a wiki editor of any sort, so I don't dare just insert it into the article rashly.
Josefnpat (talk) 13:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't call it a "compelling" explanation, but it's certainly a good and interesting read. Since it's a fan theory, it can't be placed in the article (the Rinoa = Ultimecia theory is barred similarly), but thanks for the link. Cheers, Axem Titanium (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Squall is Dead 

message: I don't mean to be picky but I have read machine gun and assault rifle. Judging from what I see in the game, Laguna's weapon is an assault rifle, not a machine gun.
Correcting this in the article...? Fleet Command (talk) 09:20, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laguna's weapon: A machinegun 

message: I removed this statement—"It is also implied that Zell suffers from heavy ADHD"—from Zell's section. It's not a good idea to try to pathologize the behaviors of video game characters. Is Squall just aloof, or suffering from type A Unipolar Depression? "Aloof" is a better description for a few reasons. Likewise, it would be better to say Zell is "hyper-active" and maybe "unfocused" or "easily distracted." It is more descriptive than saying he has "heavy" ADHD (heavy?) because it doesn't require knowledge of the subject. 
For bonus points, who here knows why the use of the word "implied" in this example is also bad writing/misinformation? JRNorbergé (talk) 14:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Zell and ADHD