Talk:Frisland

message: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TShilo12 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  nudda mappa 

message: Is there any connection between the Frisians mentioned in the Beowulf saga and this mythical Frisland? Arconada (talk) 00:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Those Frisians are from Frisia Mikkel (talk) 21:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any explanation for the Frislandish imaginary place-names? Bondendea Harbour, Banar, Cape Spagia, Ocibar, Sorand, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk) 09:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Beowulf]] 

message: The article currently describes it as a "mythical island", which to me implies something from myth or legend (like Atlantis, or Lyoness).
"Mythical island" is actually linked to Phantom island, which seems to describe "erroniously charted" islands (like Frisland), and is probably the best term to use for now as it is the article name, but looking at the talk page suggests that it is a non-standard term.
How then should we describe Frisland? 62.172.108.23 (talk) 11:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Tricky, a quick search shows both mythical and imaginary being used, eg ,  and . I understand what you are saying, but reliable sources use the word mythical... Dougweller (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What "is" Frisland?  (Or rather, how should it be described?) 

message: It has been susgested that it appears as early as 1480, on A Catalan map mention here  (not sure if this is even an RS). So what is the provenance of this map?Slatersteven (talk) 10:39, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that says "But there seems to have been some confusion in men’s minds between Iceland and Frisland as northern fishing centers and neighbois of like conditions. Thus the portolan atlas known as Egerton MS. 2803, contains two maps” (one shown in Fig. 8) naming Iceland “Fislanda,” and the notable Catalan map of about 1480” (Fig. 7), first copied by NordenskiOld, which shows Greenland as an elongated rectangular “Ilia Verde" and Brazil in the place later given to Estotiland, also depicts a large insular “Fixlanda,” which is surely Iceland, if any faith may be put in general outline and the arrangement of islets offshore. Prunes (i553; Fig- *2) substantially reproduces it, with the same name and apparently the same meaning. Zeno (Fig. 19) follows him closely in area and aspect but draws also an elongated Iceland to the northward, the latter island trending southwestward in imitation of Greenland and seeming to derive its geography therefrom. This version of Iceland was probably suggested by one of the Nicolaus Germanus maps above referred to." I need to do more research. Doug Weller talk 11:25, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, between that and this we probably have enough to fix this and not have our only source a fringe author. Doug Weller talk 11:31, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we have enough to push the date of earliest reference back to 1380.Slatersteven (talk) 13:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Also this. Doug Weller talk 19:36, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Some Landmarks in Icelandic Cartography down to the End of the Sixteenth Century Author(s): Haraldur Sigurdsson   "SEPTENTRIONALIVM PARTTVM NOVA TABVLA.
21.6 x 30.5 cm. Engraving, copper. Girolamo Ruscclli (ca. 1504-1566).The charting of island* in the ocean was a significant contribution to mariners' maps. Tl»e importance of this map of the North Atlantic Ocean, engraved for the 1561 edition of Ptolemy's ATLAS and based on his projection, was to raise debate and controversy, over the inclusion of the non-existent islands of FR.1SLAND. ICAR1A and DEOGEO. This controversy would not subside till die twentieth century’." The Christopher Columbus Encyclopedia. Geographers: Biobibliographical Studies, Volume 10 Doug Weller talk 21:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalan map 1380 

message: :See this. I hoped to have time today to work on his but real life and sockpuppetry got in the way. Doug Weller talk 18:46, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We need an RS to challenge the idea it is not a phantom Island.Slatersteven (talk) 11:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There are several names, and we have the sources saying it never existed, just not in the article yet. Doug Weller talk 13:20, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing Fixlanda