Talk:Howard Kaloogian

message: Removed degrading comments about his participation in the Recall Davis movement. Also, citation is needed in a lot of places. Folks, Wikipedia is not meant for sliming opponents, but for providing legitimate information. 
Signed- Chris
:On the other hand, balance is appropriate when placed in an NPOV way, and the links do show the subject information on the site. The site is not going into his private life, nor is wikipedia making any judgements as to whether "howardisaliar.com" is correct. Indeed, howardisaliar.com is not a crank site because it was written up in both the Sacrameno Bee  and San Francisco Chronicle . However, it does show that there are people against him. We have anti sites all the time. Just look at the link list for David Dreier and all the controversies he has endured. I am adding the statement back in. Calwatch 04:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recall Davis and howardisaliar.com

message: this looks like a big scandal, but is it true? I can't get to kaloogian's website ever since this information below was released:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x776401#
:It's certainly true that he posted that photo with that caption. It was observed by many people, including myself. It's also readily available (at this time) in google's cache -- try "dowtown baghdad". -- Jibal 17:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shall we get over the whole encyclopedia project? I don't understand the point of your comment.  Let's stick to talk directed at improving the page -- that's what this discussion page is for.-- Jibal
Palx, I understand your sentiment... but that attitude won't do anything to change the situation.  Pols do that kind of stuff because they can get away with it.  It's the duty of the citizen to keep the representatives honest. --63.147.12.107 15:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

text: This is an encyclopedia. The point is not to "expose" people or keep them honest, it's to present information. What to do with the information is up to individual users of the encyclopedia. -- Jibal 17:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, but it's not exactly a controversy either. Difficult to find an NPOV word... David Sneek 18:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think controversy is a less emotionally charged word that is at least slightly better, though I think another word would be even more accurate.  --Frantik 18:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "bungle"? --Asbl 18:47, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kaloogian website uses fake photo of Iraq? 

message: No offense or anything, but a few threads on Kos and DU about a republican caught telling lies does not a scandal make.  At the moment I don't think it is appropriate to characterize this as a scandal, as it's somewhat POV. I'm not really sure exactly what to call it though, so i'll leave it --Frantik 18:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but it's not exactly a controversy either. Difficult to find an NPOV word... David Sneek 18:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think controversy is a less emotionally charged word that is at least slightly better, though I think another word would be even more accurate.  --Frantik 18:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "bungle"? --Asbl 18:47, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scandal? 

message: Note:  An article with the headline "Candidate admits 'stupid' Web error" appeared in today's San Francisco Chronicle; it included a doctored version of the photo pointing out the errors, with the source being the link from this article. --Brianyoumans 20:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Media appearance

message: User User:66.81.15.226 (talk, contributions) appears to continually delete content apparently embarrassing to Howard Kaloogian. The IP address maps to ISP O1.com Communications, an ISP in downtown Sacramento. Then User:63.164.145.198 (talk, contributions) (perhaps the same as 66.81.15.226) performs similar vandalism.  The latter IP maps to Kinkos, Inc. (a photocopy and computer rental store) in Ventura, California.  Dananderson 23:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've warned him and semi-protected the article for a while. FeloniousMonk 22:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: User:63.164.145.198 appeared and made the same deletions as User:66.81.15.226 right after I blocked 66.81.15.226 for vandalism, so it's not unlikely that they are one and the same. Also, all Kinkos IPs show Ventura, so the Kinkos used by 63.164.145.198 could very well be downtown Sacramento as well. FeloniousMonk 23:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks.  The Kinkos IP address is probably NAT-ted across some internal Kinkos network to several workstations at several locations.  Dananderson 23:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Annoying vandal alert

message: In regards to the following... Morrow's image and quote were never used in any campaign mailer. 
I left in the overall citation of Morrow's testimonial quote as this was indeed published on Kaloogian's website.  I also left in the link for people to read Morrow's complaint that Kaloogian had included Morrow's comments.
*State Senator Bill Morrow, who is running against Kaloogian, is also challenging an implied endorsement by him of Kaloogian on the same mailer and webpage."McClintock and Morrow protest Kaloogian using photos, quotes"¿The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.81.15.226 (talk ¿ contribs) .
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (as follows: ~~~~), as previously requested.  The endorsement is implied because of the photograph and quote.  Morrow himself protested the implied endorsement and asked that it be removed. Morrow said:
:: “Howard Kaloogian's campaign Web site includes a picture and a quote from me from 2001 that implies that I have endorsed his candidacy for Congress,” Morrow, R-Carlsbad, said in a press release. “Howard knows that I have not endorsed his candidacy, and that I am running for the same congressional seat.”
:Dananderson 23:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Erroneous Characterization of Morrow Testimonial

message: [Note: moved this section from my talk page to here, as it just concerns Howard kaloogian. — Dananderson 20:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anonymous person at 66.81.15.226: If you wish to contribute to the Wikipedia community, it would help to get an account and to follow the rules.  A good start for you would probably be Wikipedia:Five pillars.  Please stop deleting and whitewashing other people's work that you may consider embarrassing. Dananderson 22:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Anonymous person: please learn how to use Wikipedia.  You don't even sign your posts. Ad hominem attacks won't work either.  At the very least please stop deleting information you disagree with in Kaloogian or any other article. You are welcome to post verifiable content, but you can't remove information that you consider embarrassing to your client.  Thanks. Dananderson 19:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continued smearing of political opponents 

message: The statment:
::Kaloogian placed an ad in Washington, D.C. that falsely claimed .....
is not clear. Where did he place the ad? The Washington Post? on local TV or Radio? on a telephone pole? Please clearify in the article. --Asbl 17:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Matt Rexroad's CalRaces blog has a copy of the ad, placed in a Washington, D.C. newspaper.  The image is at the bottom, named "NationalNewspaperAd[1].jpg". Dananderson 21:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice if we knew in which newspaper was the ad was placed. --Asbl 23:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: False endorsement by the California Pro-Life Council

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Kaloogian Iraq Website.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Kaloogian screenshot.jpg

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