Talk:J. Ralph

message: Where does his music come from if he's not able to read or write it? What is his exact job in making music? --Ysangkok 21:40, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the third paragraph reads "Ralph composed", which doesn't make much sense to me if he doesn't read or write the music... Otus (talk) 19:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I'd argue that one can create/compose music without being trained in how to put the notes and time signatures on a page.  Some people hum and describe where they want a particular instrument to come in to someone who can transcribe it into sheet music.  Furthermore, one can compose music by fiddling with a tracker until the notes end up where they want them.  Also, one can use a MIDI interface with a synth's keyboard and just fiddle about recording their keyboard inputs until it sounds correct, then they could have someone perform what the computer has transcribed into sheet music—then they could mix down all those separate performance tracks into a complete song using any number of mixing programs. --Maikeru Go (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
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message: A quick explination of the changes made in December 2015:
* Image taken out - not uploaded properly and possible copyvio.
* Associated acts need to have a consistent, long-term association with the artist. Like for instance Robert Plant and Allison Kraus who recorded and perfomred together.
* As noted above nationality is not included with year of birth.
* Awards are generally mentioned towards the end of the lede, as they are considered to be as a consequence of their career, which is summerized in the paragraph above (see for instance the Eric Clapton article).
* The line 'who focuses on creating awareness and change through music and film' is both vague and unencyclopedic.
* What awards did the Rumour Mill as a company win? That is unclear. It also has an air of the promotional.
* The structure of the article is not clear. This is about an individual and it needs to highlight what he is notable for. Using the heading Career is good, but if it is followed by a bullet pointed 'History'then that is confusing. Considering this is composed as well as a performer, it mkaes sense to split these two aspects.
* That the subject does not read music is trival information. Majority of rock musicians do not read sheet music (ie David Gilmour) and it is not mentioned on their pages.
* Music for adverts is not notable and has the air of the promotional, the fact that he has released two CDs will bring in more reliable sources. Perhaps a seperate section on the company itself can be recreated if there are enough sources to make it notable.
* The bullet-pointed history section contains too much trivial information. An unspecified appearance on a live DVD or being a guest on a TV show does not add anything encyclopaedic. Did he perform? Or score? Is there anything of note that involved his contribution? That is unclear. 
* Due to the ambigious headings there is an overlap on the documentary material. That needs to be listed in the music career section only.
* The collaborations section reads like a list and does not indicate notability and what those collabortations were. That needs to be detailed.
* There are reference errors throughout - external links should not be used and acceess and source dates are missing.
The aim of the edit as implemented was to improve the structure, apply the required WP:MOS to ensure encyclopedic standard. There also appears to be a copyvio issue with this page, which according to Earwig has almost 50% violation.
Karst (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: A response to the changes made in December 2015: IN CAPS BELOW FOR CLARITY.  NOT SHOUTING
• Image taken out - not uploaded properly and possible copyvio.
NOT SURE WHAT WAS WRONG ABOUT THE IMAGE BUT I WILL LEAVE OUT TILL I CAN FIGURE IT OUT
	• Associated acts need to have a consistent, long-term association with the artist. Like for instance Robert Plant and Allison Kraus who recorded and perfomred together.
ASSOCIATED ACTS ARE ALSO USED FOR SIGNIFICANT/SIGNATURE "SIDE PROJECTS" WHERE THE ARTISTS COLLABORATED (EG; WROTE AND PERFORMED TOGETHER AND THEN IT IS RELEASED IN A SPECIAL WAY) FOR A SIGNATURE PIECE OR A FILM.  AS THEY ARE RECOGNIZED SPECIAL PIECES THAT ARE KNOWN IN POP CULTURE THATS WHY THEY ARE CONSIDERED ASSOCIATED ACTS AS DISPARATE FROM ANY OR EVERY PIECE OF WORK THE ARTIST HAS DONE).
	• As noted above nationality is not included with year of birth.
OK IT HAS BEEN REMOVED
	• Awards are generally mentioned towards the end of the lede, as they are considered to be as a consequence of their career, which is summerized in the paragraph above (see for instance the Eric Clapton article).
AS STATED AN ACADEMY AWARD DISTINCTION IS A TYPE OF COMPOSER HENCE WHY YOU ALWAYS SEE THE DISTINCTION PRECEDE THE COMPOSERS NAME.  IT IS LIKE A TITLE SIMILAR TO THE O.B.E., OR M.B.E. TITLE DISTINCTION.  
	• The line 'who focuses on creating awareness and change through music and film' is both vague and unencyclopedic.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IS YOUR OPINION BUT IT IS PROPERLY CITED AND THE ARTIST HAS STATED NUMEROUS TIMES IN REFERENCES AND ARTICLES THAT CLEARLY THAT IS HIS  MAIN AND PRIMARY FOCUS.  IT IS RARE THAT HE WORKS ON ANYTHING ELSE.
	• What awards did the Rumour Mill as a company win? That is unclear. It also has an air of the promotional.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IS YOUR OPINION BUT HERE IS THE FIRST GOOGLE SEARCH FROM AN ARTICLE: http://goseetalk.com/interview-composer-j-ralph-on-documentaries-real-life-heroes-and-the-call-to-action/  THE COMPANY HAS WON NUMEROUS AWARDS INCLUDING THE CANNES LION, THE GRANDY, THE CLIO, THE AICP, THE LIAA, THE ONE SHOW AND MANY OTHER DISTINCTIONS WHICH ARE REVEALED BY ANY GOOGLE SEARCH.
	• The structure of the article is not clear. This is about an individual and it needs to highlight what he is notable for. Using the heading Career is good, but if it is followed by a bullet pointed 'History'then that is confusing. Considering this is composed as well as a performer, it mkaes sense to split these two aspects.
UNDERSTOOD. WILL REORGANIZE AND CHANGE HEADING TO READ NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS 
	• That the subject does not read music is trival information. Majority of rock musicians do not read sheet music (ie David Gilmour) and it is not mentioned on their pages.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IS YOUR OPINION BUT THIS IS A COMPOSER NOT A ROCK MUSICIAN.  A COMPOSER SUCH AS J. RALPH, NOT A ROCK MUSICIAN, WHO WORKS WITH ORCHESTRAS AND DOES NOT READ OR WRITE MUSIC IS VERY RARE.  ESPECIALLY WHEN THOSE PLAYERS MUST HAVE SHEET MUSIC AND THE COMPOSER MUST FIND A WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PLAYERS.  IT IS WIDELY COVERED IN NUMEROUS PUBLICATIONS AND CITATIONS.
	• Music for adverts is not notable and has the air of the promotional, the fact that he has released two CDs will bring in more reliable sources. Perhaps a seperate section on the company itself can be recreated if there are enough sources to make it notable.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IS YOUR OPINION BUT AGAIN IT IS FACTUAL AND CITED IN NUMEROUS PUBLICATIONS AND PROPERLY CITED HERE.  IT IS A MAJOR PART OF HIS CARRER JUST AS THE CDS AND FILM SCORES ARE.
	• The bullet-pointed history section contains too much trivial information. An unspecified appearance on a live DVD or being a guest on a TV show does not add anything encyclopaedic. Did he perform? Or score? Is there anything of note that involved his contribution? That is unclear.
THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE A NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS SECTION SO I WILL REVISE.  YES THEY WERE PERFORMANCES NOT APPEARANCES.
	• Due to the ambigious headings there is an overlap on the documentary material. That needs to be listed in the music career section only.
HAVE CLARFIED THIS
	• The collaborations section reads like a list and does not indicate notability and what those collabortations were. That needs to be detailed.
THE COLLABORATIONS SECTION IS A SECTION OF ARISTS J. RALPH HAS COLLABORATED WITH ON SONGS FOR ALBUMS AND FILMS AND PERFORMANCES AND IS PROPERLY CITED. 
	• There are reference errors throughout - external links should not be used and acceess and source dates are missing.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT AND THESE HAVE BEEN CORRECTED.
The aim of the edit as implemented was to improve the structure, apply the required WP:MOS to ensure encyclopedic standard. There also appears to be a copyvio issue with this page, which according to Earwig has almost 50% violation. Karst (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  The bio IMDb says Charles Riggens wrote that entry. Reverting the page to that biography, which also appears on the jralph.com webpage (but curiously credited to Wikipedia although not in its current form) results in a copyright violation. Also, I note the response above, but with no changes made to the text. Do you have some kind of professional relation to the J. Ralph? Karst (talk) 13:32, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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message: Hi there! Let's discuss the content over here instead of edit warring. The tone of the article indeed seems to have problems. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:30, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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