Talk:Steve Biko

message: The main photo here is fair use. It should be noted that Wikipedia prohibits fair use photos from press agencies that would allow the use of such photos for money, because then it violates the policy concerning commercial use. The main photo appears to be a derivative of this Getty images photograph. It may very well have to be changed in order to comply with the fair use standards. I don't mention this to be nit-picky, I was scoping this to see if I wanted to initiated the GA review but I'd rather this get handled first. -Indy beetle (talk) 17:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I just say this message, Indy beetle, and thanks for raising this issue. I will try to deal with it in the next few days. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:40, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've switched the image to File:Steve Biko Photograph.jpg, which is not a copyright free image either, although none of the available images are (unfortunately). It is, however, a clearer and (in my opinion) better image for the infobox. Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:16, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the photo 

message: I am wondering what the thoughts are of those who help maintain this article regarding
a possible new section covering a belief of Steve Biko. The following is
a statement that Steve Biko made to a judge while Biko was on trial for fighting apartheid, "...the term black is normally in association also with negative aspects, in other words you speak of the black market, you speak of the black sheep of the family, you speak of---you know, anything which is supposed to be bad is also considered to be black". Does anyone feel that this belief would be relevant for this article? The modern relevance of this prescient belief can presently (Jan 11, 2018) be
seen at: Talk Page
173.56.74.61 (talk) 03:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is my talk page. Before responding, and I have no comments on the request, editors might wish to note the IP's question "Doug Weller and ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants, do either of you have any objection to having your commentary in this section be published widely?". Doug Weller talk 08:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

text: Doug Weller's point about the IP's comments at their Talk Page concern me; it does come across as if they were trying to intimidate other editors, although I accept the possibility that that was never their intention. As for the IP's original point, it needs to be borne in mind that Biko discussed a lot of different subjects in his writings. Giving each and every one a sub-section or section to themselves would be excessive. If Reliable Sources can be found discussing Biko's views on the use of the word "black" in this manner can be found, I certainly see no objection to including a sentence or two on the matter at the appropriate juncture, although an entire section would be undue. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

text: No, let's start with where you were planning to publish the comments. You're clearly the same editor. Doug Weller talk 16:54, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeking consensus on a possible new section 

message: Right now, there is a contradiction about Biko's birthplace in this article and beyond. The box states Ginsberg Location near King Wlliams Town, the text gives Tarkastad. Then there is Tylden, Eastern Cape, where according to that article Biko was born. Outside Wikipedia, there is similar confusion between these three places. Does anyone have reliable sources or other information pertaining to Biko's birthplace? --Vanellus (talk) 20:20, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox claim is not cited, so it should be standardised to duplicate the (properly referenced) claim in the main article body, which states that Biko was born in Tarkastad. As far as the most recently published accounts hold, Tarkastad was indeed his place of birth. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:27, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

text: I've also removed the totally unreferenced claim that is being made on the Tylden article. Perhaps someone mistook it for Tarkastad. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure about that, certainly it is unlikely that Tarkastad and Tylden have been mixed up. Google search of "Steve Biko Tylden" gives quite a number of reasonable hits for Tylden as Biko's birthplace, among them the Steve Biko Foundation website and sahistory.org.za. In :de:Steve Biko we have given both alternatives without deciding which one is true (which is unsatisfactory, though). --Vanellus (talk) 19:56, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace - three alternatives? 

message: I see that throughout the article, "black" and "white" as adjectives applied to people are not capitalised, but "Coloured" is. Is there a reason for this? If not, I suggest downcasing the word "Coloured" wherever it's an adjective applied to people. Maproom (talk) 06:35, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Coloured has a specific meaning in South Africa, which is different from the way coloured is used as a race descriptor in the US for example and by not capitalizing it we will perhaps lose that distinction. My feeling is that when we say, "Adam is a black person"; black is working as an adjective, it's simply describing Adam. To say "Buhle is a Coloured" is saying Buhle belongs to the Coloured racial identity group. In principle I am against the overuse of capitals especially for job titles and adjectives, "Clive is the chief executive officer" NOT "Clive is the Chief Executive Officer", and further I'm no fan of Identity politics, but in this case I think we may lose some precision and meaning by not using the capital for Coloureds Wayne Jayes (talk) 07:20, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks – that makes sense. Maproom (talk) 10:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that doesn't make sense. Black and Coloured, or black and coloured. The two describe "racial identity", but are not capitalized. By all means, introduce "coloured" with a link, but capitalizing it is inconsistent. Billyshiverstick (talk) 20:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation of "Coloured" and "Black"

message: Wasn't his name Steve Bantu Biko, instead of Bantu Steve Biko?  If that is correct, can we change the name? Jfrommass (talk) 01:41, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any reliable sources to back that claim up? The ones I have read describe him as "Bantu Steve Biko". Vanamonde (Talk) 04:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2019 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: African Nationalist + African Socialist - Does that make him an African National Socialist? --105.0.3.68 (talk) 12:45, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Midnightblueowl (talk) 14:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Socialist 

message: Add this sentence to the legacy section about songs: A Tribe called Quest paid homage to Biko in the title of their "Steve Biko (Stir it up)" on their album Midnight Marauders. Lilraskalnikov (talk) 13:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . Please provide a reliable source that supports this addition.  Really it should say something about how this song has had some sort of significance, rather than simply existing.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2020 

message: Hi all. If people are wondering, I am just tightening up the lead to make it more powerful, and inclusive of Steve's accomplishments. Wikipedia articles are great, but the final writing can be repetitive and disjointed. Please don't revert my changes in a knee-jerk reaction. Think about what I am trying to accomplish. If you can improve on it, by all means. "Revise, don't revert". I'm a huge Biko fan. Billyshiverstick (talk) 20:42, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The lede exists in an FA-rated state. Substantial alterations would require consensus at the talk page before being introduced into the article. Midnightblueowl (talk) 09:43, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020 Revisions 

message: How is the surname pronounced? Does it begin like bee or like bye? Maybe we could add some IPA symbols to the first section. --2001:16B8:189F:9100:B1F0:6CCC:2A1C:41BE (talk) 22:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Surname 

message: I don't think Police Commissioner General Hendrik de Wit has the correct wikilink as it is a botanist not a police commissioner general. 31.94.59.64 (talk) 13:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Police Commissioner General Hendrik de Wit 

message: 2001:569:5644:D000:E998:19D:CECD:995F (talk) 06:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The [[Duncan Innes]] linked is not the right person. 

message: Some disable language.❤ 41.114.188.90 (talk) 08:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coloured 

message: Research of history 41.114.159.108 (talk) 15:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What steve biko influenced 41.115.103.241 (talk) 18:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History research  

message: "Hendrik de Wit" links to the wiki of the Dutch botanist rather than the South African General. This ought to be changed. Limidawr (talk) 21:30, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the link for now. There is no article for the police commissioner. It may warrant a red link. It seems from a quick search that the commissioner's surname was spelt with a double T (de Witt, even though Hill has only one) and that he was commonly known as Hennie eg here and here, so any red link/article should perhaps be Hennie de Witt? JennyOz (talk) 02:37, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2023 

message: Can I know that? 102.38.78.179 (talk) 12:45, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Monument materials