Talk:Nick Nuccio

message: This entry is short enough that in-line references would be more distracting than helpful, imo. One could easily read the article and all listed references in minutes, providing all the "proof" anyone would need to establish all facts as well-supported. Zeng8r (talk) 04:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  references 

message: He's not "Latin" by that context. He's not from Latin America or the Caribbean sea. Maybe he was called that due to his association with Cubans & adopting their culture 2603:8001:5803:F1CB:24F6:1F67:48C4:AEAE (talk) 04:00, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In the context of Nuccio and Tampa history, "Latin" is very much the correct designation. The Cuban/Spanish/Sicilian residents of Ybor City were called "Latins" by "Anglo" Tampa as far back as the 1890s, and they've long used the term self-referentially as well no matter if their ancestors were Spanish-speaking or not. (Much like "Tampeño", a term that originally referred to the immigrant founders of Ybor City & West Tampa and their descendants which has increasingly crossed ethic & cultural lines to refer to anyone from Tampa.) As for "Latin", the city has used the term extensively as well; for example, Ybor City has long been marketed as "Tampa's Latin Quarter". Zeng8r (talk) 14:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: I guess the Sicilians and Southern Italians in Ybor City were probably given the name "Latin" because of their longtime association with Cubans & Spaniards in that neighbourhood. I don't know I never lived in Tampa. But that definition does not go hand in hand with the general definition used throughout the U S. the term "Latin" has been hijacked by certain activists to refer to somebody from Latin America. Because Spanish speaking/Hispanic or mixed race was just way to accurate for them. Even "Latino"  is no longer acceptable to them. Anyways with that 21st century definition, he does not qualify as such. Neither he nor his family is from Latin America and in case those of you who are trying to find a loophole desperately trying to justify this stance I have an example for you. Ready? Go.
  
In 1989 when American blacks decided to call themselves "African-American" they did not take into account that 1: not all black people are from Africa & 2: Not everybody from Africa is black, therefore if a White South African moves to America or if you're born in America & your parents are White South African does it give you the right to claim African-American in that context? And claim minority status by this technicality & claim that you're a marginalised oppressed individual? NO! The only thing "African" about them is in a graphical sense. Which is why calling someone a geographical political label to someone based on their appearance is wrong but that's for a later discussion. Of course the term although a misnomer was intended to refer to people of a certain racial physical type, Not a white guy who was born in Africa. (Or a white guy who has an African born grandmother). 
 
So this brings us back to my original point. this Nucci guy doesn't qualify as Latin or Latin American. In another context maybe yes but that kind of "Latin" is not used to determine your race or in the parlance of American racial agenda & for that matter any European descended person can then claim Latin in that lense. But this is way Unlike "Latin" in the case of Latin Americans. (Like indians from india as opposed to Indians from the Americas). Because calling him Latin is like calling a White South African or any African born White a black person simply because he or she was born in Africa. 76.167.193.57 (talk) 21:47, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No "desperate" search for a "loophole" is needed. As explained above, the word is used correctly per long-standing Tampa parlance, which is why "Latin" is in quotes in the article's short lede. I'm actually a fourth generation Tampeño with Spanish, Cuban, and Sicilian ancestors, and all branches of the family are proud to call themselves Tampa Latins, a term originally used by Tampa's "Americano" community to lump together residents of Ybor City & West Tampa, then worn by those same immigrants and their descendants as a badge of honor. This biographical article really isn't the place to go into the history in too much detail, but I guess I should add a short explanation to the text. Zeng8r (talk) 00:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguous identity 

message: As said earlier. "Latin" in US census context means "Latino" as in someone from Latin  America. Sicily is on the other side of the world far from Latin America, so he doesn't qualify. Unless you want to count All of Florida as Latin America. Tampa residents of a certain neighborhood are not the gatekeepers or the authority on racially charged classifications. If someone wants to claim they're from the moon, then that's their prerogative. But if you label someone from Sicily who never labelled himself as such nor has the world and then gets thrown into language politics by being forcibly labelled a term by some outsider then that crosses the line.
If this Nuccio guy labels himself as such that's fine. But he does not speak for every Sicilian on the face of the earth. It's like if a mayor of Little Rock AK Was of Chinese background & grew up in a community where it was common for Chinese & African-Americans to live & work together so thereby he was ethnically labelled colloquially an "African-American". And then the locals defend that "reasoning" due to "regional common parlance". Now every ethnic Chinese passing by is labelled an "African American". That's the point here. 76.167.193.57 (talk) 09:45, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You're going on another tangent which has nothing to do with Nick Nuccio or this article. I won't speculate on why you've been posting similar comments regarding ethnic / cultural classifications on other articles across Wikipedia, but I do know that this is not the proper forum for it. Zeng8r (talk) 16:40, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin American clarification