Talk:Metropolitan Community Church

message: why was there a deltion of --the external link to biographical information on Rev Cindi Love?--Sjharte 18:11, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: August 2005

message: I deleted the section added on 20th of Jan which alleged that rev Elder Nancy Wilson had been "ordained" by Rev Elder Troy Perry as a "Presideing Bishop".  Rev Perry did mention at the installation (NB not ordination) of Rev Wilson as Moderator tjat her position was similar to what is called a "Presiding Bishop" in some denominations.  Also, MCC is not in discussions with UCC to merge.  MCC and UCC have cordial relations and Rev Elder Wilson has expressed a desire to work ecumnically with UCC and other Churches.  --Sjharte 22:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Witnesses to the installation have provided an oppositng account to what you state.  Moreover, press reports (notably this: from the BAR), indicate that UFMCC and the UCC are in talks for merger.  Can you provide eveidence to the contrary? Nrgdocadams 01:15, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was present at the Washington installation and can confirm that nothing was said that would lead you to the conclusion that something was happening (ie an episcopal ordination) that was contrary to UFMCC polity.  As for your suggestion that there are merger rumours with UCC, I serve on one of the two denominational ruling Boards and can confirm that such rumours are without foundation - as the article you cite confirms "There are ongoing healthy discussions about any places where we can partner, that are a fit for us," said Love. But those contacted, including MCC-San Francisco senior pastor Penny Nixon, have heard no rumblings about a merger so far. --Sjharte 09:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: January 2006

message: I realise this is some kind of ecumenical gay church - but what kind of church? Is it unitarian, anglican, or closer to baptist? I know these churches claim to be non-denominational, but they're usually close to one thing or another. --MacRusgail 16:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: MCC is a denomination in its own right.--Sjharte 00:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I realise that, but what kind, other than "ecumenical, pro-gay" etc? I visited the article to try and find that out, and am not much wiser on it, nor the kind of church government and theology they have (other than liberal). --MacRusgail 16:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Church polity is mostly congregational, and congregations within the denomination vary in worship style and theology. In general, theology is no more liberal than most mainline protestant deniminations, and it may be more conservative than some. The denomination was founded by a pentecostal pastor, but worship style usually has much in common with most other evangelical protestant churches. Some congregations have become more liturgical. Jonathunder 17:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, this is what I was looking for. Can you put this info in the article in some way please. --MacRusgail 19:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Denomination

message: should their also be a refrence to M.C.C. being featured in the 2009 T.V. movie: Prayers for Bobby.Ricky.Adams (talk) 21:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's there now. (Do we remove this talk section, then?) Aristophanes68 (talk) 01:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured in  T.V. movie refrence 

message: Why doesn't the MCC writeup contain sections on controversies, scandals and criticism simular to groups such as Exodus International? Dfatl7000 15:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there any controversies, scandals or criticism? I haven’t seen anything in the article.--Tyrfing 16:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone's trying to stir the pot now! Those comments about the changes under Nancy Wilson have a strongly negative POV. Please help find sources that can provide neutral, verifiable information on these changes. Thanks! Aristophanes68 (talk) 01:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: This past week saw an attempt to delete the article on Cindi Love on notability concerns; the deletion was averted thanks in part to people's willingness to dig up more info on her outside of MCC press releases. But if you look the pages of many of the notable clergy listed here, you'll see that a lot of them suffer the same problems: not enough sources presented to establish clear notability. I've tried to ensure that the list here includes all the clergy whose pages link here -- now we need to ensure that those pages are as solidly sourced as possible. Help? Aristophanes68 (talk) 18:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We just lost the pages for Mona West and Jim Mitulski, and Andy Braunston was deleted a few months back. Who here can help bolster some of the remaining pages? Aristophanes68 (talk) 06:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We just lost Don Eastman. Aristophanes68 (talk) 22:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And now Arlene Ackerman.Aristophanes68 (talk) 18:02, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many notable clergy need more info on their own pages 

message: An editor has contested content regarding the Cathedral of Hope split: "Is this actually significant to warrant such prominence? The "scandal" is based on hearsay and the individuals cited are not notable." 
*Is the content significant? Definitely yes. This involved the loss of the largest LGBT denomination in the world. The net result was a 7% drop in church revenue, and an 9% drop in membership. Any of these three items would qualify as notable, all 3 items en masse... Well, I can't see how it can possibly be excluded by a NPOV editor.
*Hearsay? Fact: the largest LGBT church disassociated in 2003. Fact: MCC lost 7%/9%. Fact: MCC was investigating Piazza. Fact:  J. Terry Todd, assistant professor of American religious studies at Drew University and Reverend Mona West, both eminently qualified, were interviewed for this article. Not hearsay. Now, Michael Magnia may not be notable, but his comment succinctly paraphrases the topic of the article and quoting him directly was the best way to avoid POV. Of course, Prof. Todd and/or Rev. West could be cited.
*Whether or not the content is significant is beside the point, however. The content is WP:V and WP:RS. And I hope you are not going to argue that the The Advocate is not RS. 
*Let's be clear: the topic of the article is that Cathedral left because of MCC's "gay focus" (from the source) i.e. too gay. The investigation of Piazza was the final straw, as it were,  causing the vote.
The content is solidly within policy and I'm going to restore it.  If you have a NPOV source to counter The Advocate then by all means add it.  Please discuss here if you have any concerns. Lionel (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cathedral of Hope split 

message: Rev Forsythe was pastor of MCC Black Hills (Rapid City SD) from 2000 to 2002. Prior to that he was on pastoral staff at MCC of the Rockies starting in the early 1990s until his transfer to Black Hills. His record at MCC was satisfactory, "He's a wonderful pastor." 
In 2002 he resigned because he neglected to register as a sex offender when he moved to SD and the attention was too much. He had been convicted in 1989 while a Catholic priest. 
MCC knew about the conviction the entire time: they decided to give him a second chance.  This BTW is why this is notable: that a church would hire a convicted minister to pastor a congregation.  "Last month [Troy] Perry reaffirmed the denomination's "zero tolerance" policy on sexual abuse of children, in the wake of the sex abuse scandals sweeping the Roman Catholic church." "Jim Birkett, national spokesman for the Metropolitan Community Church, said that policy was not retroactive and therefore would not affect Forsythe's ministry. " 
This is what I am wondering... Should he be listed under Notable clergy? (1) He is obviosly notable: 2 KC Star articles and a NYT and it was addressed by Rev Birkett himself. And (2) Forsythe was a member of the clergy for many years in good standing. 
Keep in mind there are clergy with poorer sourcing than Foysythe. It would be a nice example of how MCC gives people 2nd chances. Any opinions?    
 
 Lionel (talk) 23:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not censored. And how other articles treat the content you object to has no bearing on this article. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. Complimentary content enjoys no preference over unflattering content. Our main concern here is whether an addition is reliably sourced and verifiable.– Lionel (talk) 08:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable clergy - Rev. James A. Forsythe  

message: As a non-expert reader I would be interested in knowing more about the church, focusing on is similarities and differences from other forms of Christianity. With that in mind the  beliefs and practices section appears to need expansion in the direction of adding more information about the theology of the church., and where does it fit in within the spectrum of world religion? There are numerous answerable questions which appear to be left unanswered. For instance:
* Is this a universalist church?
* Is its local organization congregational, a counsel of elders, a presiding pastor?
* Is it one of the Baptist sects?
* How fundamentalist is its belief system?
Thanks. Trilobitealive (talk) 00:51, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there more information about beliefs and practices? 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Metropolitan Community Church. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20100721191040/http://news.yahoo.com:80/s/afp/20100704/lf_afp/spainreligiongaysrights_20100704123620 to http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100704/lf_afp/spainreligiongaysrights_20100704123620
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 14:20, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Metropolitan Community Church. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131020081242/http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/metro_comm_church%2C2.html to http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/metro_comm_church%2C2.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111008140724/http://www.christianstogethercamden.org.uk/content/pages/documents/1185398730.doc to http://www.christianstogethercamden.org.uk/content/pages/documents/1185398730.doc
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131226212444/http://mccchurch.org/overview/moderators-corner/ to http://mccchurch.org/overview/moderators-corner/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20151017032241/http://www.glhalloffame.org/index.pl?page=inductees&todo=year to http://www.glhalloffame.org/index.pl?page=inductees&todo=year
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:00, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Metropolitan Community Church. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120508034621/http://mccchurch.org/download/mccbylaws/UFMCC%20Bylaws%20as%20of%20June%202010.doc to http://mccchurch.org/download/mccbylaws/UFMCC%20Bylaws%20as%20of%20June%202010.doc
*Added  tag to http://mccchurch.org/how-we-work/files/2010/01/Record-of-Actions-General-Conference-XXIV-Business-Meeting.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130719020900/http://www.mccla.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/MCCLA-Membership-Handout.pdf to http://www.mccla.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/MCCLA-Membership-Handout.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120508034621/http://mccchurch.org/download/mccbylaws/UFMCC%20Bylaws%20as%20of%20June%202010.doc to http://mccchurch.org/download/mccbylaws/UFMCC%20Bylaws%20as%20of%20June%202010.doc
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 02:14, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion:
* 
* 
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 22:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion