Talk:The Graduate

message: An anon user added that he received his Bachelor's degree from Tufts.  I'm not sure the movie mentions which university he graduated from.  If not, it should be removed.  If so, it needs to wikified (with a wikilink). — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:53, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tufts?

message: Will someone please explain why this is such a revered film? All I see is a stupid kid getting together will a silly lady and then stalking her daughter. If this "defines a generation" then it is one sick, screwed up generation. I like Gavin De Becker's take on it.
:I think there is a whole "angst" thing that goes along with it.  I guess it also is supposed to faithfully represent the age for when it was made.  But I'm not a film critic and this isn't really a discussion board.  We're really only supposed to discuss issues relating to the article here. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe "angst" films should be considered a genre.   Fast forward to 2013:  We have a new Angst film, "Blue Jasmine" by the director Woody Allen.  Allen is the king of Angst films.   I much prefer some sort of adventure movie, or action movie.   Life is too short to be paying $10 to sit for two hours and dwell in someone's angst.  Perhaps the best reason to watch "The Graduate" is that it is early work by William Daniels.   He was at his dramatic peak in the TV show "St. Elsewhere," where he portrayed Angst with actual entertainment value.    Marc S. Dania Fl 206.192.35.125 (talk) 13:08, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

text: This might help. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I concur -- this movie is considered to be iconic, but on face value, there's nothing I can admire about the main character.  I guess it's a bit like The Catcher In The Rye in that way. Afalbrig 08:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why?

message: Where is the church in which the wedding takes place? If still standing, I suppose it's a place of pilgrimage for film aficionados. If so, how does the congregation react to them? Dynzmoar 14:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The church

message: There is another minor blooper in the film. There is a scene where he is driving through a tunnel either going to or from Santa Barbara (can't remember which). That tunnel is about 30 minutes drive north of SB, near the Gaviota Coast. Anyway, whatever direction he is driving is the wrong direction based on his supposed destination at that point in the film.71.229.208.71 (talk) 03:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Blooper

message: Wasn't the plastics line taken from "The Glass Menagerie"? --Gbleem 08:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plastics

message: I agree that this movie has had a great influence on pop culture, and this should be explained properly.  A long list of random references to the film is no good, though.  I would remove it, but I know that people would just put it right back, because everyone is in love with their own little reference they saw on TV last week. --345Kai 07:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop culture references - Trivia section

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message: I've restored the section on pop cultural references after weeding out quite a few of them and formatting it.  This is no longer the list that ate the article, it's a representative sampling of the impact of the film on our culture. Nor is it "original research", since media objects are their own source and do not need secondary sources to be verified.  (They exist in and of themselves, and are widely available, so the verification of these incidents is available as well to anyone who cares to look them up -- just the same as if a secondary source said these things and you had to go find the book to verify it.)In any case, this is a good faith effort to keep the section under control and not overwhelm the article, but still provide the insight into how this film has gotten under our skins.  I ask, please, that it not be reverted wholesale.  If there are some entries which seem less important or less representative than others, then by all means they should be removed or edited down, but in the spirit of compromise, it would be nice not to have an edit war start over something like this.Many thanks. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 13:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote this section to be not ugly.  In particular I did the following:
* I removed one or two of the most obscure examples completely.
* I moved the entire section out of list form, and into paragraph form, as our style guide indicates.
* I reduced the level of detail of description of the pop culture references.
* I moved the specific references into references/cited templates in footnotes, so they don't disrupt the flow of the article.  this is an article about The Graduate, not about The Simpsons.  If the reader wants a soul-crushing level of detail, they can read the footnotes.
If you restore any of the deleted material, please be sure to use the citation templates and put them in as references.  I left the templates mostly intact even when empty to make cut-and-paste insertion of this type easier.  Nandesuka (talk) 15:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks -- I think you've come up with a workable compromise that serves the article and covers the material. I've used footnotes for this purpose elsewhere, and it seems to be a good methodology. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 16:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop cultural references restored

message: Is it worth mentioning the Family Guy episode Wish Upon A Weinstein?  The end of the episode is a complete parody of the end of this movie.  Not to mention that FOX banned the episode from airing (initially). --Son (talk) 14:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right about the influence thing, the ending was a complete parody of the movie's ending, but that wasn't the reason why it was banned, it was banned for the "antisemitic" jokes, but later aired on Adult Swim with no problem. --Matt723star (talk) 17:11, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Another influence

message: I noticed in the first paragraph it states that Benjamin had just graduated from Williams College but in another part of the article it states he had graduated from an "unknown College". I haven't corrected it because I don't know which editor is correct. I love the film but I doubt I would win any "The Graduate" trivia contests. --Kjrjr (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: College Name?

message: Please stop changing the "Bay Bridge" error to refer to driving on "101" or to driving away from Berkeley.  The SF Bay Bridge is Interstate 80, and he is driving EASTBOUND to Berkeley, not away from it.  The error is that he is driving on the top level, which goes WESTBOUND to San Francsico.  The road is Interstate 80, not 101, and it runs East-West, not North-South.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.28.250.194 (talk) 17:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bay Bridge

message: I seem to remember Hoffman giving somekind of speech at the 1967 or 68 academay awards where he said "Thank you to the clappers" as if snubbing the folks who didn't think he should be up there.  Why was he up there?  Or did I just dream all this?  shpax@verizon.net  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.212.240 (talk) 17:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Academy awards acceptance speech

message: In what context does the word "plastics" appear?  In what context is it usually quoted?  --Austrian (talk) 22:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A businessman tells Benjamin that he has one word for him, and that word is "Plastics". The context being that it is a good market to get in and he will make money, so it is quoted as an insider giving you a tip about what will be big. Although in the film it is also seen as Benjamin committing to a life of corporate servitude. Darrenhusted (talk) 20:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Plastics (again)

message: I fail to see the point of including the following into the plot description: "...his car, an Alfa Romeo Spider, runs out of gas..." Is the car's model somehow important to the plot, or is it useless information?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.169 (talk) 20:46, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this necessary to the plot somehow?

message: How about a mention of the wedding spoof in Wayne's World 2 who was also filmed at the same place? And Wayne used the same car (Alfa-Romeo Spyder) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZbW3GgZvf0 --Sd-100 (talk) 20:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean wedding scene, sorry for the confusion --Sd-100 (talk) 20:23, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Wayne's World 2

message: * ... plot synopsis, review, cast, production credits, awards
Reference available for citing in the article body. Erik (talk) 20:19, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Allmovie

message: …why there is no pop cultural reference section and why there is no mentioning of "Rumor has it…" ???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.180.53.40 (talk) 10:09, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Can anybody explain…

message: The article has:
"Budget	$3 million
Gross revenue	$104,397,103"
IMO it is silly to pretend that the gross revenue is known to the nearest dollar.
 
How about "Gross revenue   $104 million"
Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 21:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  False Precision 

message: Hello Magnificator:
In what I guess is your great enthusiasm for the film THE GRADUATE, you, over less than 48 hours, lengthened our article from 19,927 bytes to 35,537 bytes. You provided no edit notes and said nothing in the talk page. Can you justify this what seems to me to be huge bloating of the article?
Also in the PLOT section, you again changed "find" to "stalk".  Can you justify your use of the word stalk?
Thank you, Wanderer57 (talk) 17:13, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Message to editor Magnificator 

message: I am merging the contents of "Pre-Production" into the contents of Production section under the subtitle "Casting."
-Magnificator (talk) 06:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Production and Pre-Production merger 

message: I edited the Plot section substantially to (I hope) improve readability.  It is also slightly shorter.
Other editors please review it.  Thanks.
Wanderer57 (talk) 16:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit of Plot Section 

message: The explanations of the plot are a bit light on explaining why Mrs Robinson chose to seduce Bejamin.  So here are my feeling on this aspect.  Well she was a self admitted alocoholic and married to a successful and wealthy man and had time on her hands.  Her husband and Ben's parents all wanted Ben to marry her daughter Elaine.  Ben appears to be socially inadequate and inexperienced with girls, so perhaps initially Mrs R thinks she wil educate him in these two areas where she has expetise, before he marries Elaine.  It all progresses well until she starts to get bored with him and he starts to want conversation with her as well as sex.  He wants to know about her life and pushes her with questions and she tells him that her career was finished when she became pregnant with Elaine and had to marry a man she didn't like, and this happened in his Ford car.  Ben is highly amused and she is very angry with him for laughing,  and herself for letting slip this information.  She makes him promise never to take her daughter out, presumably because she is ashamed of these facts and does not want her daughter to find out.  Ben is happy to do as she asks but then he is pressurised by his own parents and Mr Robinson to meet up Elaine and date her.  And now everything goes out of control and so the film progresses, with Mrs Robinson shown merely as jeolous of her daughter.   I would like  to see others views this aspect of Mrs Robinson.   ññññ  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.44.64.113 (talk) 22:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  why did Mrs Robinson seduce Benjamin? 

message: Over the last couple of days, someone has added a boatload of unsourced assertions to the Casting and Production sections of the article. Someone else has--helpfully--added UNSOURCED tags to the affected parts. If the contributor (is that you, Magnificator?) wants the new info to remain in the article, s/he must add some citations; otherwise, I'm fairly certain the revisions will be removed soon. — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 18:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't wait, just remove it, sections of this article were tagged for years. The rule at this point should be add with a cite or leave it off. Darrenhusted (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced info added to article 

message: There is an iteresting hint about the confusing end of the film here: http://thewholegardenwillbow.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/the-graduate-the-final-scene/#comment-2305 But it is a blogg site and he does not say, where he knows that from. If it should turn out to be notable in the literature, it would be good to have it in the article. --Bufi (talk) 14:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ending / Final Scene 

message: Why is there no mention of the Vietnam War - and the draft - in this movie? It puzzled me when I first saw it at age 20 in 1967, and it puzzles me now. Was  Ben Braddock just going to be able to buy his way out of the draft? He  could not do that personally. His parents would have had to do that for him. So far, so good. But wouldn't they have talked about it?Nichols made a truly mysogynistic  film - CARNAL KNOWLEDGE - in 1971. Again - male college students - again, from affluent circumstances- again, no Vietnam. That war hung over peoples' heads like a nuclear cloud. Was Nichols out of the country?
Carmellasoprano (talk) 08:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The college scenes in Carnal Knowledge were set in the late 1940s. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 10:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  US History and THE GRADUATE 

message: I don't think in the accolades section that the quote from the lead actress that she was people's "sexual fantasies" is placed right. An accolade is more for the awards and honors the movie has received. It's well written, but I think her quote should maybe be moved to either the critical reception section, or perhaps maybe make a legacy section. --Matt723star (talk) 17:09, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Anne and the Accolades

message: In what zoo was the scene where Elaine meets up with Carl Smith filmed? 108.225.17.141 (talk) 18:26, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zoo scene 

message: Hi all. I was re-reading this article and I have to ask about the long list of actors considered for the film. Are there any articles that can substantiate these claims? Claims about Ava Gardner, Charles Grodin, Robert Redford, and Candice Bergin (among others) have long been discussed. But what about some of these others? Like Judy Garland, Lauren Bacall, Joan Crawford for Mrs. Robinson, etc.?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dahlrich98 (talk • contribs) 01:57, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Actors Considered 

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message: Was just looking through the list of actors considered. I think the Casting section needs to be re-done. The Vanity Fair article cited on the making of the film contains a very thorough account of the casting and includes many of the names (like Gardner, Page, Neal, Bergen, Redford, etc.), but does not mention many of the others (like Joan Crawford, Judy Garland, Audrey Hepburn, Sally Field, Faye Dunaway, etc.). Can this be looked at? Think the article needs cleaning.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dahlrich99 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The List of Actors Considered 

message: Don't know if it's worth mentioning anywhere, but the legs in the poster belonged to actress Linda Gray, who was a model at the time. She later went on to play Mrs Robinson on stage in the early 2000s.RefTuzapicabit (talk) 22:46, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a source from Playbill: "Linda Gray's Leg Has Long History in The Graduate"  GoingBatty (talk) 20:49, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linda Gray 

message: I propose deleting this trivia section to conform to WP guidelines. Thoughts, anyone?
Word to the wise: when contributors add content like this, but cannot follow basic WP Manual of Style guidelines (for the umpteenth time, titles of TV shows like Roseanne should be italicized), picky editors like me are even more likely to chafe at these random trivia lists disguised as information relevant to an encyclopedia.
Just sayin'. Kinkyturnip (talk) 16:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I support removing it as indiscriminate. No objection to restoring the section heading if reliably sourced content reflecting noteworthiness can be included. Though "Cultural impact" is a better heading name, in my opinion. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 16:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete "In popular culture" section?