Talk:Kastoria

message: Kostur, "the other name of the town" (and not the prefecture), is not just Bulgarian as 207.96.224.163 claims in his edit. It's equally used by the Bulgarians, the Macedonian Slavs, and I guess it's probably used by other Slavic people as well. Feel free to edit the article and include any information about the name Kostur, as long as it doesn't contradict with the above. Etz Haim 10:00, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Kostur 1

message: Is there a reason for the south slavic name to be prominently featured in this article, if not to establish that there is a significant south slavic minority there? (which is not true).--Avg 15:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kostur 2

message: Kastoriá → Kastoria – For reasons of consistency - no (or very few) other articles on Greek places use the accents in the titles. --Telex 00:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support --Telex 00:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Moved. —Nightstallion (?) 14:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

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*Support --Telex 00:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved. —Nightstallion (?) 14:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Don't know about Macedonian, but kostur means 'perch' (genus of fish) in Bulgarian. It might have a connection to 'skeleton', though, because the root is kost (bone). Anyway, we'd need a source for that one. Todor→Bozhinov 09:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: MatriX added it . I don't know anything about it, although according to this republican dictionary  "kostur" can mean skeleton. It's probably one of those Serbian words implanted into the original lexicon in order to create the illusion of a seperate language (it is, check srwiki and the edits Serbs have made to the article ). --Tēlex 10:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The dictionary says it means a 'skeleton' of a ship or umbrella (most likely not the right word in English), so it wouldn't be a literal translation after all :) I believe we should mention the kost etymology as common and leave the translation out (or include both possible translations). Todor→Bozhinov 13:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't understand a word of that. Do whatever you think is best - you're not likely to meed much opposition from people like me who haven't a clue what's going on. --Tēlex 13:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, basically, the word seems to have different meanings in Bulgarian and Macedonian. And while it does mean 'skeleton' in Macedonian, it's not the skeleton of a human (most common meaning), but the 'skeleton' of a ship or an umbrella. No matter the meaning, the word comes from kost (bone), so my suggestion is to mention that instead of any translations. Don't bother trying to understand it, it's not a major thing, I'll fix it :) Todor→Bozhinov 14:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skeleton? 

message: I had a talk in the talkpage of the new user who posted that information, and am copying it here for others to comment:
Titled: Thanks...
...for your additions in Kastoria in the Jewish community section. I would appreciate if you could also cite the source for these events, especially given that most of them may create quite bit of controversy. Those are terrible facts you included there, and they should of course be mentioned provided they are sourced by reliable sources. I found especially appalling the fact that certain compatriots of mine confiscated Jewish properties unilaterally, and since I consider that highlighting one's past mistakes can only lead to improvement, I would be most grateful if you could include the sources. NikoSilver 12:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This source speaks for itself, but unfortunately you need to back it up further because in extreme cases people have argued such monuments were exaggerated. NikoSilver 20:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but WP policies will not allow that without solid sources. We need to find them. NikoSilver 20:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: This point serves no purpose unless there was some discrimination in the selection of Jews for the draft. These are serious allegations, and, again, we need sources. NikoSilver 20:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Not so important, and can explain the one family left. NikoSilver 20:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: No problem with that either. NikoSilver 20:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I will not be able to comment for a few days due to work, but I'll definitely come back to see how the discussion evolved. Please don't WP:BITE in the meantime! NikoSilver 16:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comments indented above. NikoSilver 20:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish section additions 

message: I'm from Kastoria and I assure you that the lake's name is Orestida and NOT Orestiada. Is a mistake that I noticed also in many internet sites that are referring to Kastoria. 
So, the name Orestiada often is been confusing with the city of Orestiada in Evros, but the name Orestida is originated to the main ancient area of Kastoria and in particular the city of Argos Orestiko. 
Greek speaking user "google" the word "Orestida", there are some links that clear up my opinion.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by Didgerman (talk • contribs) 11:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion about lake's name

message: I have removed the unsourced paragraph added by the anonymous IP user. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 04:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced POV 

message: Re this, why would anyone name a town after a skeleton? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 11:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would anyone name a town after a beaver? BalkanFever 12:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fur is serious business in Kastoria even today. Aramgar (talk) 12:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right. And besides, a beaver is way more attractive than a skeleton. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 12:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kostur=Skeleton 

message: "Slavs were never a significant presence in Kastoria"'!?!?. 
*Kaza of Kastoria, Monastir Province, Ottoman Empire. Vasil Kanchov, 1900, Macedonia Ethnography and Statistics, .
:- City of Kastoria, 3000 greeks, 1600 turks, 750 jews, 300 bulgarians, 300 arnauts, 240 romani's. 
:- Kaza of Kastoria, 46,783 bulgarian christians, 4340 bulgarian christians, 3925 - turks, 9415 - greek christians, 175 greek muslims, 910 arnaut christians, 4280 - aromanians, 750 - jews, 1010 - romani. Slavic people comprise 51,123 or 68% of the total population of the Kastoria Kaza. Not a very high figure.
*Ethnographie des Vilayets d'Adrianople, de Monastir et de Salonique, 1873, french study
:- Kastoria (city), 2,000 mulsims, 650 bulgarians, 700 greeks, 750 jews.
*La Macédoine et sa Population Chrétienne, 1905, french study
:- Kastoria (city) - 400 bulgarian patriachists, 4000 greek patriachiasts, 72 aromanians.
*The largest part of the Ohrana movement was based in the Kastoria region.
*12 partisan attachments of the Slavic-Macedonian National Liberation front were formed in the Kastoria region.""Les Archives de la Macedonine, Fond: Aegean Macedonia in NLW" - (Field report of Mihail Keramidzhiev to the Main Command of NOF), 8 July 1945 "
*regional comitee of SNOF formed in Kastoria due to the large slav Macedonian population there. PMK1 (talk) 05:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Bulgarian(s)". Perhaps ", Kostur" would be more appropriate. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 07:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If only. PMK1 (talk) 10:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see "Macedonians" anywhere.  --Tsourkpk (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Slavs have never been a significant presence in Kastoria

message: Why were the references about the bulgarian language in the Kastoria region removed?
These are a legitimate sources from the consuls of France (François Charles Pouqueville) and Austro-Hungary (Peter Occuli). Two of the biggest empires/states of that time. Also the Leonard's Heft "World's Chronic" is well respected. 
Should I remind you that this is a section for the history of the city? The modern politics should not be involved.
Please provide with an appropriate explanation why this was removed or it shall be added again. If you have doubts about the conclusion to which this facts lead, please explain as well.
Thank you and in the same time I await your timely answer.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.90.0.97 (talk) 06:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is still no answer to this request?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.222.53.208 (talk) 09:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ottoman's time 

message: I really didn't appreciate this edit Alexi. Haxhillazi has a publication based on the National Archives of Albania. It's a reliable fresh source from a 1999 book. --Sulmues (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like a collection of primary sources, and ultra-partisan to boot, so no, of course it's not WP:RS. Athenean (talk) 22:15, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blind revert of Alexi 

message: 25.000 Albanians in Kastoria region??? For God's sake!!
Just take a look here :http://www.mmkm.kcl.ac.uk/content/lists/maps.htm
or at Vasil Kanchov's census. 
It is high time it stopped this game with propagandists such as Sulmues and Zjarri.National Archives of Albania is proved to be an unreliable source Parapente (talk) 21:24, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albanian propaganda 

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message: The original formula "The Serbian, Bulgarian and Macedonian name of the city..." was at one point changed by an IP editor to "The Serbian, Bulgarian and Slavic name of the city...". Since then some attempts have been made to reintroduce the Macedonian language link, but this has been reverted.
In my opinion, the formula "Serbian, Bulgarian and Slavic" does not make sense. Both Serbian and Bulgarian are Slavic languages, so the sentence is ridiculous. The (Slavic) Macedonian language is treated by Wikipedia as a distinct language, and it is this language that is the most relevant Slavic language in the area. Not mentioning it looks like POV to me.
An alternative would be to just say "The Slavic name of the city...", but this would require sources to show that the name is the same also in other Slavic languages. Also, this is not how such things usually are treated in Wikipedia. So I really do not see any better option than to bring back the former formula. --T*U (talk) 20:13, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavic names in "Name" section