Wikipedia talk:File copyright tags/Archive 5

message: Could there be a fair-use copyright tag created specifically for images scanned from the Baltimore Sun newspaper or images that are taken by Baltimore Sun photographers and posted on the Baltimore Sun's website? I have uploaded some Baltimore Sun images and placed the  tag on the images, however, the tag has been removed and has been stated to be an improper tag. -- KSweeley.
:—Preceding unsigned comment added by KSweeley (talk • contribs) 10:04, March 13, 2006 (UTC)
:No.  should be deleted right away. Why do you think that fair use was in any case special if the image came from the Baltimore Sun?? Also, please note that making a "fair use" claim for e.g. :Image:13240380bvcint.jpg is next to impossible: any Wikipedian in or near Baltimore could easily go there and get us a free photo from that place, so "fair use" doesn't really apply. It's more like a plain rip-off, violating the copyright of the Baltimore Sun.
:BTW, you can sign messages to talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~), the software will replace them by your login name and a timestamp when you save the page. And furthermore, new messages are customarily added at the bottom of a page. Lupo 10:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to create a fair-use copyright tag for images from the Baltimore Sun Newspaper

message: Hi, is there any policy or precedent regarding the creation of tags and categories for country-specific Creative Commons licenses? I thought I might create some tags for the England & Wales licenses. David Johnson [T|C] 12:50, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country-specific CC license tags? 

message: Can someone explain to me how to tag images which I create of musical excerpts which I have transcribed myself so that they do not get deleted for not featuring the appropriate tag?
As far as I understand since I created the image and released it it is GFDL but the content is fair use. Is this at all right? For example the deleted: Image talk:Hott Butter-Popcorn Melody.PNG.
Eventually someone will also notice , so I would really like to know how to tag it. Someone has already questioned , the existance of which was part of the reason for deleting its corresponding image, so I would also really like to know how to tag sound files in the same situation.
I also fear for the many images which I created from sources, and would really like to know how to tag those also.
I think it's bull that that image was deleted in the first place, and it seems that adding the exact correct tag with no assistance is a great burden for users who wish to contribute graphics. Unless someone helps me I will not be able to do it in the future. Thanks in advance. Hyacinth 12:15, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say that you could not claim GFDL on such an image unless the musicial work it is representing is GFDL or compatible.  The image is a derivative work of the music, and the right to create derivative works is controlled by the copyright holder.  If the only way that a recording can be used is fair use, then the only way that a derivative of a recording, such as musical notation or lyrics, can be used is under fair use.  IANAL -- AJR | Talk 23:54, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Help

message: I would like to propose the creation of a  tag as part of the  hierarchy. If this is not the correct place to propose this, please direct me appropriately.
Currently the existing children of  contain the linux-, mac- and windows- prefixes. Neither of these are suitable for screenshots of software that only have web-based interfaces such as ViewCVS.
The image associated with that particular article (:Image:ViewCVS.png) was recently retagged from software-screenshot to both  and . Neither of these seem appropriate to me. The first because this is software and not a particular website. The second because there wasn't a mac involved at all. The user who tagged it as such said it was tagged in this way because the visible user interface elements were mac-like. 
I think that a web-software-screenshot tag would certainly help in situation like the above. --TheParanoidOne 21:09, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a week since I added the above and there have been no comments. The project page doesn't say anything about the creation of new copyright tags other than to "please propose the tag on Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags first" which I have done. I'm wary of being bold in such an area, but I'll go ahead and create one if there are no objections. --TheParanoidOne 22:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say go for it and use identical wording to the platform specific templates.  ALKIVAR™ 03:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I have added  to the screenshots section. I would appreciate it if someone could have a quick look over the template and category to see if they conform to the existing template and category schemes. --TheParanoidOne 21:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|web-software-screenshot}} 

message: I have an image from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.  I originally marked the image from the  copyright tag, but now it is being questioned by another wikipedian.  What copyright tag would be best for the following image?  :Image:HollandTunnelNYNJboarder.JPG.  --ZeWrestler  Talk 16:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Port Authority of New York and New Jersey question 

message: Images from the European Space Agency seem to be tagged with two conflicting tags.  There is  which pretty much says that the images cannot be used.  However, there is also , which says no such thing.  There is a discussion at :meta:ESA images, but it doesn't look like any conclusions were reached.  Are both these tags valid, or is one redundant?  Is the ESA-multimedia tag correct, that the ESA images can be used on the EN Wikipedia?  The license doesn't seem to be compatible with the GFDL.  Can anyone clarify?  Thanks.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 18:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ESA images 

message: There's a simple 2-D diagram in a book that I recreated in Illustrator and would like to upload and use in an article but after hours of reading I'm still no closer to determining which tag I should use (or even if it's reproduction is permissible). The diagram is in a copyrighted book and the attribution states it is 'adapted' from another copyrighted work (which I don't have - probably a diagram?). I've made some very small changes to the diagram (it's basically only a sequence of filled rectangles) so I don't think it qualifies as my creation? Are there grounds for 'fair use' or 'fair dealing' (because the servers are located in America)? Could someone point me in the right direction, please? Al001 20:29, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A derived work has the same copyright status as the original work. So that would mean your only option would be Wikipedia:Fair use. But depending on how simple this diagram is, it might not be relevant. Can you upload it somewhere else first so we can see? (eg photobucket, putfile) pfctdayelise 03:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry for the delay - here's what I was hoping to use: http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2889/freudconceptionofthepersonalit.png Al001 22:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

text: What if similar diagrams are in 2 different books by two different unrelated aurthors.  could a replica of both diagrams be made into one that wouldn't violate the law because it is from multiple sources? --ZeWrestler  Talk 16:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it then may be a derivative work of both sources.  More info in that article.  If you can create a diagram representing the same information from a descriptive source other than those two images, I think it would then not be a derivative work of the images.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 22:22, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It depends on the diagram. What is it illustrating, exactly? Depending on how "basic" it is the aspects which you have recreated may or may not be a copyright problem. There is no simple answer to this question without knowing more about the subject matter. --Fastfission 22:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  User-created(?) image based on a copyrighted diagram adapted from a copyrighted source 

message: This has been a matter of some debate over at . It was created spesificaly to circumvent the "ban" on non-free images in templates and userpages. I originaly listed it on TFD, but it survided as "no consensus" with a 5 delete and 4 keep split. It seemed to fall into disuse afterwards though, but recently the issue have flared up again and a couple of users are trying every trick in the book, and writing new ones as they go along to get the "real" logo inserted into the template again, including resurecting this template (arguing that since it was kept on TFD it has support) with a rename and minor tweaks to make sure it no longer mention "fair use" (as to not violate WP:FUC). I think this should be nipped in the bud before others get simmilar ideas, and cause massive template creep, so some fresh input over at  would be apreciated, I think they have pretty much written me off as a raving rule fetichist bent on "censoring" the firefox logo, and they treat it like a content dispute rather than a matter of policy. --Sherool (talk) 14:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Mozilla]] 

message: Could I have some input on the images by Yousuf Karsh on Wikipedia, such as e.g. :Image:Albert Einstein by Yousuf Karsh.jpg? I believe these are in fact not in the public domain in the U.S. and have been uploaded in error. So far, only one other editor has commented and apparently nobody at Wikipedia:Copyright problems dared take any action whatsoever. As I was the one who uploaded this particular image, I feel kind of responsible to get this situation resolved one way or another. See also Wikipedia:Public domain for an extended discussion on what is in the public domain where, and its talk page for some additional comments on these Karsh images. Note that many of these images are also at the commons. Lupo 09:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karsh images 

message: There is a picture in this PDF file from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation which could illustrate the article about Clarence Ray Allen. On the website, there is no explicit copyright notice. Are such images public domain and/or can we use them ? -- Ze miguel 16:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The image seems to have been published before March 1, 1989, so it probably is. --Carnildo 20:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agencies of the California state government have their images in the public domain, but the agencies do make use of copyrighted photos.  See  and discussion on talk page.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 21:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  Thanks to both of you for the help. -- Ze miguel 08:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation 

message: Template:PA-KingCountyGOV was created December 6, 2005 by .  The use tag gives the following conditions:
:you are hereby permitted by King County to copy, distribute, and otherwise use the information with one exception: no one is permitted to sell this information except in accordance with a written agreement with King County
The lack of permission to sell the information is incompatible with the GFDL.  I propose that this template be deleted.  Before I list it on WP:TFD, I thought I would seek some comments here.  Thanks.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 22:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. NC =  not free. Any images tagged under that may be usable as fair use, but that's it. pfctdayelise 00:18, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: What fun.  I've never deleted something under CSD I3 before. --Carnildo 04:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PA-KingCountyGOV 

message: Just FYI, I updated the section to reflect the current process at WP:PUI, mainly the process time was decreased from 30 days to 14 and they no longer handle images with no license info, those are now speedy deletion candidates. I also did some other tweaks while I was at it. Dunno if the "history" section is nessesary, so feel free to expand/cut as you see fit. --Sherool (talk) 16:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfree-image section 

message: I propose the following tag for clipart gotten from Microsoft's online clip art service:
	This image is copyrighted by Microsoft Corporation.
According to their website, "Provided you comply with all terms and conditions of this End Users' License Agreement...You may copy and modify the Media Elements, and license, display and distribute them, along with your modifications as part of your software products and services, including your web sites."
Category:Microsoft Clip Gallery images
:Uh, no, please. Section 1.2 is has too many strings attached, and in any case, my reading of " You may not sell, license or distribute copies of the Media Elements by themselves or as part of any collection, product or service if the primary value of the product or service is in the Media Elements." is that it allows only noncommercial collections and thus is unsuitable for Wikipedia. Lupo 16:41, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Lupo, I suspect that you are quite correct in that reading.  Jkelly 17:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to me that the correct tag for any such clipart is .  There are too many restrictive clauses in the license: no commercial use, no re-distribution, restrictions on what sort of works can be created (one reading of a section would prohibit using Microsoft clipart on stub tags applied to pornography-related articles). --Carnildo 18:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Microsoft clip art

message: This is a suggested image PD tag. See http://www.copyright-laws.com/pgs/copyright-basics.html
This image is in the public domain in the United States and possibly other jurisdictions, because it was published before January 1, 1978 without a copyright notice and/or any claim to copyright. This image could also be in the public domain if it was published between January 1, 1978 and May 1, 1989 without a copyright notice, and the error was not corrected within five years. See Copyright.
 
--Fallout boy 22:38, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First, it should read "published in the U.S." instead of just "published". Second, I think it should read "first published". Third, first publication may be difficult to ascertain; I would expect any image where such a tag was used to have precise sourcing and a rationale explaining why the uploader or tagger thinks a particular publication was the first. Fourth, with respect to the last sentence, it may be difficult to make sure that no copyright was indeed registered in the U.S. within five years of the original publication without copyright notice. one basically has to ask the U.S. Copyright Office. Fifth, why "possibly other jurisdictions"? The tag is about a highly specialized case in U.S. copyright law whose precise conditions are non-trivial to check. It is unlikely that it applies to foreign works; and whether a U.S. work might considered PD abroad because it was PD under these conditions in the U.S. depends on many other things that also are difficult to verify: the various trade treaties between some other country and the U.S., which may contain provisions on copyright, whether the other country operates under the "rule of the shorter term", whether the work was also published outside the U.S., the current copyright law of the other country, whether that country ever made any retroactive changes to its copyright law, possibly the copyright law of that country at the time the image was taken or published or as of 1978, and so on. I understand it says "possibly", but somehow that is based on a very faint hope, methinks. See also WP:PD. Lupo 08:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text: That's already better, but I still think we shouldn't use a tag for this. I fear that the case is so difficult to prove that such a tag would be used wrongly most of the time. Using a tag for this special case just encourages its use. At the very least I'd use much stronger wording: no "please provide", but a clear command "You must provide", and add "In the absence of such proof, the image becomes a candidate for immediate deletion unless it is rightfully tagged differently" or some such. Lupo 09:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Public domain, no notice

message: Can somebody go over and please help tagging the :Image:3DMAZE-line370-delay5-to-0.png? I tagged it both as a game shot and as unsure --- see that image's history for details. Please respond at that image's talk page or by retagging as you feel the best. TIA! --BACbKA 22:52, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tagging [[:Image:3DMAZE-line370-delay5-to-0.png]] 

message: I have an image that is a photograph of two pages from The Journal of the Chemical Society of London, originally published in 1865. I don't know who took the photograph or when. The author of the intellectual property actually published in the journal died in 1922. Is there a suitable PD or other license available? All comments appreciated, thanks. --Cactus.man ✍ 15:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: will do, because the author died before 1936.  Superm401 | Talk 20:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reply. --Cactus.man ✍ 08:44, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Advice on photograph of pages of old scientific journals

message: I came accross :Image:Ucf.JPG, a google map.  What copyright tag should I use? 
If they are not allowed on Wikipedia, someone needs to search 'Google maps' in the image namespace to delete all of theos too.  --michael180 16:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They do not allow commercial use, so it can't be on Wikipedia.  It should be tagged .  I went through the beginning (relevant portion) of the list (after that, they seem to be just links to Google Maps); I think I tagged most of infringing ones. Superm401 | Talk 20:19, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which tag for Google Maps 

message: IMHO this template needs a serious rework. It's way too vague, and a lot of people misuse it (in good faith) because it's not clear enough about what it entails. Just browsing over the category I see 4-5 likely copyvios just on the first page. It's just way to vague, and a lot of people asume that anyting that's "public" (especialy on the net) is allowed to be used for any purpose, without realising that "for any purpose" include making derevative work and commercial purposes and so forth. The template should spell this out more clearly to weed out the honest mistakes at least (some people also seem to pick this because people are less likely to "bother" you about it like they will if you put GFDL on some "non self made" stuff or make a dodgly "fair use" claim for the image. As for the images already tagged; by the look of things they could use a serious copyright "audit" anyway.
Any ideas on how to change it without making people feel we are are changing the rules in mid game as it where? I see from the discussion on it's talk page people have been reluctant to change the template because it "it has legal power", and we should be carefull about changing the terms without the uploaders and/or copyright holders knowledge. Personaly I don't see the problem in making the intent of the template more clear, so what if peple have misunderstood it in the past, either change tags or delete the mistaged ones IMHO. IANAL though... --Sherool (talk) 23:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just re-tagged some album covers in there.  It does need a thorough going-through.  Jkelly 23:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  &#123;{[[Template:CopyrightedFreeUse|CopyrightedFreeUse]]}} 

message: i have a question about the following image: Image:Brendon_Lade_Footysticker2000-2.jpg
what copyright would it fall under? The image is copyright Select Australia. Rogerthat 06:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably the tag to use for this is .  If it were being used to discuss Select Australia's football card(s), a fair use claim could be made, but that doesn't appear to be the case right now.  JYolkowski // talk 17:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Football cards

message: Specifically of pictures rather than text. I've looked through all the information on copyright here and I've skimmed through some of these archives and the archives of others, so forgive me if this question has already been asked and I missed it. Anyways, if you own a book, magazine, or manual...as in you purchased it, is it okay to upload an image scanned from paper media you own as long as you put down due credit (The publisher of the paper media, or the studio that made the material you bought and so fourth.) And if it is okay what copyright would it fall under exactly? 
To whoever answer's this, thank you for your time.--Kiyosuki 09:43, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it isn't.  Even if you own a book or a magazine or whatever, you don't own the copyright to any of contents of the book/magazine/etc. and so cannot do anything that would violate copyright law (e.g. reproduce them on Wikipedia).  JYolkowski // talk 16:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should also be noted that this is even true of screenshots, photos, or the like.  The creativity that goes into setting up the shot is sufficient to warrant its own copyright, although the resulting image might be a derivative work and the holder of the pictured program/work (if applicable) would have rights in it as well.  So you couldn't, for instance, scan in a photo of a piece of art under fair use, because it's not fair use with respect to the journalist's copyright.  (However, there's generally no copyright if the think you're taking a picture of is two-dimensional, since that involves no creativity in the angle or anything; see Bridgeman vs. Corel. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 03:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the image published in the book or magazine itself is in the public domain (for instance, as a U.S. government work, or as a reproductive photograph of an old two-dimensional artwork), then the copyright on the book or magazine cannot and doesn't cover the image. Lupo 15:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: The image currently being used in that article is infringing on the copyright of Seventeen magazine, and seems to have been listed at WP:CP.  An image from an advertisement for soap would be infringing upon Neutrogena's copyright, and could be defended as "fair use" only if there were an article about that advertisement.  If the subject of the article cannot be photographed by someone willing to release an image under a free license, the thing to do is to contact Kreuk's publicist and ask for a press kit promotional picture.  These are done as "work for hire"; the copyright is owned by the publicist and we can then claim "fair use" with some degree of comfort.  Jkelly 18:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scanned images from books/magazines/etc

message: What would this get again?  :Image:Moscowmetro-2005-2.png  I forgot, sorry.  I also can't read the website's policy (it's in russian) --michael180 18:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The web-site policy just says that if used, the attribution is required. Placed the "attribution" tag. Good enough to anyone? --Irpen 06:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

text: .  The image has a very nice copyright statement in the bottom-right corner, and it's quite easy for a Wikipedian to make a replacement map. --Carnildo 06:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have asked User:SPUI, the creator of many, many fine maps , to make a replacement in the public domain. --michael180 23:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Moscowmetro-2005-2.png]] 

message: Some tags have been listed on templates for deletion which may be of interest. The templates listed are Template:PD-AUGov, Template:Webimage, Template:PD-USGov-Congress-USBG, Template:QualificationsandCurriculumAuthorityCopyright, Template:LandRegistryCopyright, Template:TeacherTrainingAuthorityCopyright, Template:Ordnance Survey Copyright, Template:UNPhotoArchive, Template:PD-old-50. Template:CanadaCopyright is waiting to be orphaned. Does anyone involved in image tagging ever look at templates for deletion? Secretlondon 03:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This evening I've been doing a lot with the copyright templates because I am developing an image tagging tool... so I suspect that I will be keeping a closer eye on all of these. Thanks for point them out! ~MDD4696 04:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tags on Templates for deletion

message: Here's a quick question that came to mind when i was changing a copyright tag on a software screenshot. I know we have a specific fairuse deviation software tag.  Now, if the software that the screenshot is of is under a GPL or some sort of other public domain licencing, like OpenOffice, would the screenshot be under a free licence as well? --ZeWrestler  Talk 17:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, in principle. However I'm not 100% sure what happens to programs that rely on the default Windows API for windows management. Microsoft just might claim copyright to the minimuse, maximise and close icons on the program window for example. Not sure of those would qualify for copyright though, they are fairly generic, so I'd wadger it's ok to license such screenshots under GPL or whatever suitable license (IANAL though). --Sherool (talk) 19:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should a new copyright tag be created for that case?--ZeWrestler  Talk 19:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: This has been discuseed before.  I don't think we want to use images based on a free software license.  That creates unexpected consequences, like providing "source code". Fair use is better in this circumstance, in my opinion. Superm401 - Talk 01:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Software screenshot question. 

message: The proposed tag is shown below. If no one objects, I will create Template:NoICT.
This image is missing a copyright tag. You can help Wikipedia by adding one of the tags listed on Wikipedia:Image copyright tags.

The following is a talk page message called Template:ICT-notice, intended to be substed onto the talk pages of users who upload such images.
Thank you for uploading the image  onto Wikipedia. However, an copyright tag must be placed on it, or it may be deleted. Please tell what source the image came from, that is, whether it is your creation, a photo you took, a website screenshot, a public domain image, or a fair use image. Thank you!
-- King of Hearts | (talk) 23:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what advantages this would have over .  Tagging something with  means that (currently anyway) User:OrphanBot will automatically orphan the image and warn the user.  Also, to me it seems double the work tagging something as  to have someone tag it with another tag later, instead of the folks at WP:UI tagging it with the other tag in the first place.  JYolkowski // talk 00:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: With the recent deletion of GermanGov, I'm left wondering how I should tag all the images of the Third Reich/Nazi Germany that are left now untagged and awaiting deletion. fairusein seems like a horribly cheap copout, and I'd prefer something that actually acknowleged their source. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 14:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's wrong with fairusein? IMHO it's a very good tag. Just acknowledge the sources on the image description page, if they all have the same source just copy & paste... --Sherool (talk) 15:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Need Help

message: If the uploader of an image declares that they have taken an image, and they fail to tag at appropriately as  or ; is that image subject to deletion, or is it automatically licensed as GFDL the way user-contributed text is?  I'm interested in an answer in general, although :Image:ScottK2.jpg is what made me think of it (the uploader indicated they took the photo in one of the upload edit summaries, but left the image description blank).  Obviously, the ideal situation is that after being notified the uploader self-tags the image as appropriate, but I'm sure in some cases that never happens.  Now, if I saw a professional image of Britney Spears I would doubt the the photographer would have uploaded, but in the case of regular politician (like this), it seems reasonable to beleive the image was taken by the uploader, as claimed, and that they therefore own the copyright.  Regardless of this image, I'm more curious of general principal/policy of whether images uploaded by their copyright owner are automatically licensed under GFDL.  --Rob 18:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, uploaders are required to release images under a free license and GFDL is preferred (Creative Commons licenses are acceptable and the images can also be released into the public domain); if they do not tag the image,  can be added.  The policy of demanding GFDL (or another free license) is noted on the upload page as well as in Wikipedia:Image use policy. Superm401 - Talk 23:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: This is what  is for. --Carnildo 08:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, if you know they uploaded it,  is legitimate. Superm401 - Talk 03:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is GFDL the default? 

message: I need help determining the copyright status of an image which I found on the Hebrew version of Wikipedia.  I assume it has a copyright tag there, but I can't read it!  The image (and a link to the corresponding image page on Hebrew Wikipedia) is at :Image:Canossa.jpg. -  Che Nuevara:  Join the Revolution 18:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that since the source of the image is an Italian website, that is the more useful language in this case.  It is not clear to me that we would have a strong fair use claim for this image, or that the website mentions authorship or copyright status of that image.  The latter of my two statements should be checked by someone with a better command of Italian.  Jkelly 18:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I would suggest trying to ask someone in :Category:User he-N, this is what the babel categories are for ;) --Sherool (talk) 03:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help! (do you read Hebrew?) 

message: How are you supposed to find out the copyright status of pics of say, a ship from 1880, something like that? if it's from the net and there is no notice saying what the status is, and the person who created the page is unlikely to have taken the pic himself, are you supposed to email that person? what if he doesn't know either? can you assume that all pics like this are non copyrighted unless otherwise notified? because this applies to a large number of pictures. I could just provide a link on the page to the person's pic. that would solve any copyright problem. however it would:
a) allow them to delete/change the picture to something other than what the link says it is.
b) take their bandwidth (which is worse? copyright infringement or bandwidth taking?) at least CI doesn't cost them money!
thanks!
SpookyMulder 13:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to US Copyright law, anything published before 1923 is in the public domain.  Use the  tag.  Note that accurate reproductions that don't have original authorship are equivalent to the originial work.  So, the act of digitizing an existing image is not sufficient to create a new copyright on an otherwise public domain image. (see Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.) --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:39, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if the 1880 image was published before 1923, there's no problem. For unpublished images, see WP:PD#Published_vs._unpublished_works. The problem in such cases is to find out whether they were indeed published pre-1923, if you want to be absolutely certain. Lupo 13:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ok thanks, does this cover images from other countries? and again, how can you tell if a pic you find on some web site was originally published before 1923? If it was taken in 1880, say, I'm guessing it probably was. I also assume that means I can scan stuff out of books pre-1923, or even copy the entire book out? I guess taht's how that free books online stuff works but I don't know much about that.
SpookyMulder 13:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, for pre-1923 books feel free to vacuum out the contents (that is indeed what Project Gutenberg does). For many older images, poking around with Google and in libraries will turn up the real source; when only a couple photos of a ship have survived, everybody is going to be reprinting the same ones.  Historian do dig up previously-unpublished photos from time to time, so 1880-ness of photo is not a guarantee of early publication. (Yes, it's all a gigantic pain.) Stan 13:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to be clear, I believe the law actually requires publication in the U.S. prior to 1923.  For images from other countries, it's probably really difficult to determine if and when it was published in the U.S.  I suppose at some point, you just have to make a judgment call.  SteinbDJ 15:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: older pictures

message: *I have a few questions about album and single covers. 
**Can we upload images that are cropped from album or single covers?
**Can we use images that appear in an album's inlay or booklet?
Thanks Street walker 10:36, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you provide some sort of encyclopedic analysis or discussion, you can claim copyrighted images as fair use. If you want to crop a cover to focus on just a portion of the cover that would probably be fine... I can't think of any other instances where you'd want to crop them. Just be sure to leave a rationale on the image page justifying its use. ~MDD4696 03:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I was wanting to use an album or single cover as the top image for Michael Jackson, as the current one is most likely to be deleted or atleast removed from the page. I was wanting to then crop the album or single cover to just show an image of him, and not the title of that single and/or cover. Is this OK or not? Street walker 10:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well our albumcover tag says they should be used only to ilustrate the album itself. That includes cropping out parts of them. Why do you say the current one is likely to get deleted? Doesn't it have a source? In wich case just find a photo that does have a source (a good one, not like "found on Goole", or "taken from photobucket" or "found on this Geocities site" and what not) and use that istead. Surely there is no shortage of official promotional Michael Jackson photos or other such images who's copyright holder is known. --Sherool (talk) 11:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You cannot claim a cropped album cover as fair use unless you are illustrating the album cover. Since Michael Jackson is not an album cover, this would not be fair use :). ~MDD4696 23:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, really?  It seems to me that an album of Michael Jackson is very relevant to Michael Jackson. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 07:10, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I made a mistake. However, I think it would be wise to make it clear that it's a cropped album cover. ~MDD4696 21:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you didn't make a mistake.  Album covers should be used to illustrate the album itself, not the artist.  Cropping the album cover would tend to make the image unable to do so, so I wouldn't recommend that.  However, an uncropped image of an album cover would be very relevant at Michael Jackson to illustrate discussion about the album in question.  JYolkowski // talk 22:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I tagged it with :Template:Albumcover.  Jkelly 21:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album and single covers 

message: Hi, I noticed this on User talk:Seahen, and I don't know an answer (IANAL), so I figured I'd ask here: suppose you have a program that has been released into the public domain by its authors (in this case, Castle of the Winds, a computer game). Further suppose that someone takes a screenshot of that program. The question is then: is the screenshot then copyrighted to the person who took it, or is it automatically in the public domain as well? Any clarification from the licensing gurus would be nice... :) -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 00:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends.  If there's no creativity involved (say, a shot of the title screen), then the image is probably in the public domain.  If it's a gameplay shot, then the person making the screenshot can claim copyright based on the creativity in composing the screenshot. --Carnildo 07:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the program is public domain, the screenshots are public domain. See Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. I think that a person would have a very difficult time claiming a personal copyright on videogame screenshots. Textures, models and level designs can all be copyrighted because they are original works. There's really not much you can do with "composition" that would make a screenshot original; it's simply an arrangement of original works. The arrangement would have to be sufficiently original or creative to be copyrightable, and even then, it's a weak case. ~MDD4696 23:53, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bridgeman v Corel only covers exact reproductions of public domain 2D artwork.  And Red vs Blue seems to indicate that you can be creative enough in composing a screenshot to get copyright on it. --Carnildo 05:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: There can be a great deal of creativity in setting up a clever screenshot.  That would be equivalent to a photographer arranging his subject matter; only the most minimal creativity is required.  Probably only shots of menu screens, splash screens, and the like (two-dimensional artwork with exclusively static elements) would fall under Bridgeman—even a screenshot of a 2-D game can be creative, insofar as the screenshotter picks the exact setup of when to take the shot. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still feel that the argument would be rather weak, but not altogether out of the question. And just for clarity, Red vs. Blue is not a screenshot, it is a video. There are scripts and action that enhance its originality. ~MDD4696 21:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "There is little doubt that many photographs, probably the overwhelming majority, reflect at least the modest amount of originality required for copyright protection.  'Elements of originality . . . may include posing the subjects, lighting, angle, selection of film and camera, evoking the desired expression, and almost any other variant involved.'"  That's from Bridgeman v. Corel, quoting Rogers v. Koons in the second sentence.  The standard for originality is set extremely low, and Bridgeman covers only "slavish copying" of a preexisting work.  That's clearly inapplicable. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 05:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots of public-domain programs 

message: Hello. I uploaded the image :Image:Depeche_Mode_-_Suffer_Well_cover.jpg, and I need to put the copyright status. I get the image in a Spanish site, and I am licensed to use it. Wich copyright template must I use?--Daniel bg 18:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  -  Che Nuevara:  Join the Revolution 19:02, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright 

message: Looking through :Category:USPS stamps, the vast majority of stamp images are used in articles to illustrate the subject of the stamp.  This is not recognized as a fair use by , which says:
:"It is believed that the use of postage stamps to illustrate the stamp in question (as opposed to things appearing in the stamp's design) [...] qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law."
Examples of uses that go against this: :Image:ReaganStamp37.jpg in Ronald Reagan, :Image:Solympics4321.jpg in Special Olympics.  There are many more.  Can these images be safely used in articles that are not about the stamps?   Thanks for any input. --ChrisRuvolo (t)
:The two cases you mentioned don't appear to be fair use right now, but could be with some changes to the article.  The stamps need to be used to illustrate the stamp in question.  If the pictures of the stamps were used to illustrate a paragraph discussing the issue of the stamps and had an appropriate image caption, they would be fair use, but that doesn't seem to currently be the case.  JYolkowski // talk 17:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say the Reagan stamp usage is definitely not fair use. It's traditional to issue a stamp for every president on the 1st anniversary of their passing, and I don't recall any special story about the stamp, so there's no additional information being conveyed by the stamp image. Similarly for the Special Olympics stamp. (By contrast, the Elvis Presley stamp has a huge backstory, probably enough for its own article even.) Stan 13:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  USPS post-1978 stamp images 

message: I have a notice here that an image I uploaded was unclear in the copyright status, but (having looked thru this page and the WP page) I can't figure out what to do with it. Could someone look on the web site listed on the Image page and tell me what to do with it? CliffHarris 03:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can contact the author of the page you got the image from. However, if you cannot get through to him, then the image will likely be deleted because we cannot confirm it's copyright status (beyond that the website owner holds it). This is a simple graphic, and a free one could easily be produced. Then again, it's not used anywhere (other than a template which is not used anywhere), so there's not much reason to... ~MDD4696 23:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Construction image in {{tl|UnderCon}} 

message: Hi there. I just have a quick question that needs answering. Is there any tag I can use that would make this image keepable? User:Denniss has tagged a tonne of images related to the Canadian Forces for deletion, and I was wondering if any of them were salvagable. Thanks, Ouuplas 05:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may be able to tag them as fair use. The image is copyrighted by "Her Majesty" (the Canadian government, as far as I can tell, See 12) and fair use is the only way we can include non-freely licensed copyrighted images. Be sure to provide a rationale if you do. ~MDD4696 21:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the help. Do you think I'd be able to use some sort of "promotional image" tag? I'm not too familiar with fair use tags. Ouuplas 00:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Unless there's something special about that particular image, I don't think it's usable in Wikipedia under fair use. --Carnildo 04:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Images don't need to be special; they just need to be very relevant to a particular article, of low resolution, and there needs to be almost no freely available alternative. This is a picture of the CF-18 Hornet, right? So as an illustration of the plane it's perfectly relevant. None of the images at that article are freely licensed either... although, under fair use, there should really only be one fair use image there since they are all depicting the plane in general. And to respond to Ouuplas: no, there's not a promotional tag you can use, because it really doesn't fit into promotional images as we've defined them. It is a copyrighted government work as far as Wikipedia is concerned. ~MDD4696 04:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't fair use require that commentary or research be carried out on the work in question?  There's no real commentary on the image itself, only on the thing it depicts.  (That said, I doubt the Canadian government makes a practice of charging fees for the use of its photographs, does it?) —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 04:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage tags 

message: I was looking to use an image from Michigan Senate Photowire web site.  It says "Photos on the Senate PhotoWire are intended for media use and may be freely reproduced.".  What would the appropriate tag for this be?  And would an image from here be deemed sufficiently "free" that an fairuse rational isn't needed?   --Rob 05:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Verbatim reproduction is not sufficiently free.   is fair use with this kind of publication in mind.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to tag:  "intended for media use and may be freely reproduced." 

message: User:BorisTM is very aggressively not understanding the concept of copyright: User talk:Carnildo#Image:GPCR_signaling.png_and_Image:OXTR_structure.png.  Could someone with a little more tact than me explain things to him? --Carnildo 08:34, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Could someone talk to this guy?

message: Thanks for any help you can provide. I am the copyright holder and creator of three images that I'd like to use on my UserPage User:StaceyCochran. Two have already been deleted and it looks like the third will be deleted soon. How do I prevent this from happening if I'm the creator and copyright holder of the images? StaceyCochran 17:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't able to take a look at the images, since they were deleted already, but first: Are you sure you're the copyright holder? If you are, check out Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#For image creators. ~MDD4696 23:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  If I'm the Copyright Holder? 

message: I was wondering, could I create an Armenia copyright tag, similar to that of  and ? -- Clevelander 13:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a section of Armenian law that explicitly puts its national symbols and/or whatever else in the public domain?  If so, I'm okay with that.  JYolkowski // talk 18:04, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Template:PD-Armenia]]

message: There are two images I uploaded, :Image:MarquetteInterchangeAfter.jpg and :Image:MarquetteInterchangeBefore.jpg that were both created by the Wisconsin Department of Transportation. It is my understanding that these images can be used for non-commercial use, or are in the public domain, but I'm not sure how to tag them. Can someone help me out? Karlshea 23:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Works of the Wisconsin government are not in the public domain.  If they can only be used for non-commercial use, unfortunately that isn't sufficient for Wikipedia, so they should likely be tagged as .  JYolkowski // talk 01:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images created by the state government

message: I have placed both  and  on TfD. Please see there for pointers to the relevant discussions. Lupo 10:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian copyrights 

message: I have created a proposed image tag at Template:PD-StarTrekRank.  Star Trek rank insignia mostly consists of pips, circles, and stripes in some form of layout.  Such basic graphics can't be copyrighted (I think) but there have been a few cases where someone has drawn two circles next to each other, called it the insignia for a Starfleet Lieutenant and the images will be targeted as unfree or a copyvio against Paramount Pictures.  This tag should take care of this.  How can we make it offical? -Husnock 00:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that Paramount Pictures has released that stuff into the public domain.  JYolkowski // talk 00:44, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How can Paramount Pictures copyright a circle or a square?  That is the whole point. -Husnock 00:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Paramount Pictures did not release any material into the public domain, so the template is misleading in that regard.  While a circle or a square itself cannot be copyrighted, there appears to be sufficient creativity in all images at Comparative ranks and insignia of Star Trek that I would think that they would enjoy copyright protection.  Thanks, JYolkowski // talk 00:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The comparative article has a lot of problems with it (its actually up for deletion).  The images at Starfleet ranks and insignia are (in my opinion) better researched and sourced.  As stated above, I'm mainly concerned with the simple stuff like two or three circles next to each other or three stripes in a row.  This tag would solve the problem of calling it a copyright vio.  How can this tag get officaly approved?  I would like to start using it (I kind of already have!) -Husnock 00:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess my main concern is that I wouldn't want people to think that images of all Star Trek insigniae are in the public domain, since I don't believe they are.  I'd welcome other opinions on this, but looking at Starfleet ranks and insignia, I would think that there are only about eight images that don't have enough creativity to be eligible for copyright protection (in the "Enlisted ranks" section, for the motion pictures).  While a circle or a square itself cannot be copyrighted, I believe that there can be creativity inherent in arranging them in a certain order, positioning them in a certain manner, shading them in a certain manner, etc.  I might, however, be amenable to a  template that said something along the lines of "This is a simple geometrical symbol.  This symbol doesn't have enough creative effort..." or something like that.  Thanks, JYolkowski // talk 02:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The bar for creativity set by judicial precedent is very, very low.  Simple positioning is sufficient to grant copyright; consider a typical photograph, where all the creativity in the work consists of arranging preexisting uncopyrighted objects.  Every one of the template-linked images is clearly eligible for copyright by reason of arrangement, coloring, and texture.The images could maybe be used under fair use, but that's unlikely.  You aren't providing critical commentary or research, just reprinting the images with explanations.  That's something the owners of Star Trek make money off of, you know.I recommend that the images be replaced with textual descriptions. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 04:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm comparing fictional ranks is a breach of copyrights then? 4 golden circles over a red square is definately not eligable for copyright. Hence, I do not believe "copyright" is an issue here, there may be a trademark issue. Since the template clearly identifies that image is a "star trek rank insignia" there is no problem there eirher... --Cool CatTalk|@ 19:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: As long as the pictures are not exact or near--exact depictions, the original author can release them into PD independently of Paramount.  For example, I may create a picture of Jean-Luc Picard and upload it as my own work so long as the picture isn't too close to existing works such as to affect profits. (Compare crayon drawing to near--screenshot.)  Fair use does not apply here; we are just republishing the images.  Trademark is a little trickier: search NY Times for 'F Line Bagels'.  The legal basis of trademarks is anything that would confuse a consumer in product selection; Wikipedia is not selling the images.  GChriss 18:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Star Trek rank images

message: I uploaded the pic for Image:Sixwiredbop.jpg including the copyright holder notice and the site I got it from, but the site did not indicate the status of the copyright, whether its intended for free use online or as part of a press release. CyclopsScott 05:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless noted otherwise, the copyright holders reserve full rights, and the works can't be used on Wikipedia.  In the future, try to a) look for works made by employees of the U.S. federal government (those can always be used and are often available), or b) ask the copyright holder if he's willing to release it under a license such as the GFDL. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 08:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Six Wired Bird Of Paradise

message: Almost every third message board on this planet uses this and many other similar images , , , , , , , , , , and the funiest  (which i think would not be very appropriate if mass-used here), etc. There are images that show shotting, hitting someone with a hammer, etc but that's way off. So what do you people say? -- Boris 08:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do we say to what?  Anyway, see Wikipedia:Emoticons.  The images on that page are all freely licensed. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 11:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the "say" i needed. Tnx.  -- Boris 13:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Image:Cheerz.gif|Emoticons]]

message: I hereby propose that  should be officially deprecated in favor of , and that a notice should be added to the former template stating this.  Images currently tagged as CopyrightedFreeUse should eventually be either retagged as NoRightsReserved or listed on WP:PUI.
Rationale: The current wording of  is too vague.  Specifically, compared to , it lacks the important word "irrevocably".  This has led to cases like , which clearly contradict our copyright policy.  The template cannot simply be changed (or redirected), since other cases like this, where the uploader has interpreted the text of the template narrowly, may exists.
—Ilmari Karonen (talk) 10:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of stuff currently tagged with  is mistagged.  I've seen people upload virtually anything and tag it with this tag.  I tend to agree that we need to do something.  JYolkowski // talk 22:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Ilmari.  is much more specific, and the "irrevocably" part of it is very important. ~MDD4696 23:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, good idea. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 08:05, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:CopyrightedFreeUse]] should be deprecated 

message: I may have to put on my flame resistant suit as I'm not sure this is the right place to ask/post this.  Please forgive me if is wrong.  But, I'm wondering how do i put the "Licensing" option on my MediWiki installation???  I don't see an extension, etc.  BTW.  I'm running 1.6, and I've been searching for a while.  Thanks.  65.223.91.130 01:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe User:Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason coded that, so you might want to ask him. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 05:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to put this option in my MediaWiki 

message: OK, I have recently uploaded a few images of cars, and some of them I've tagged as being ineligible for copyright since they were taken by local used car dealerships or random people. However, some the "ineligible" images have been disputed, so I'm wondering what to do when I find such an image. --ApolloBoy 05:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Photographs are almost always copyright the photographer, even when there isn't much evidence of creative work. If you can't find out who took the picture, then it is unsourced and has to be removed (for all we know, the picture was taken by a famous photographer). Stan 06:03, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what am I supposed to do then? Would I tag these pictures as "fair use" in this case? --ApolloBoy 19:21, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they wouldn't qualify as fair use either.  I would suggest either getting the authors' permission to release them under a free licence, or tagging them as .  JYolkowski // talk 20:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shoot. I guess one of these days I'll have to run out with my camera and start taking pics... --ApolloBoy 20:55, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is, indeed, pretty much just what we want you to do :-) Shimgray | talk | 03:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, but what if I can't find the car I want to photograph or find any promo images of it? What am I supposed to do then? To be totally honest with you, I doubt used car dealerships (for an example) will even care about the images they take. I think we need to create a new tag that can be used for images of common objects taken by local businesses and the like. It'll make my life a lot easier, that's for sure; I'm tired of my talk page getting filled up with those annoying image warnings... --ApolloBoy 01:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've already got a perfectly good tag for that sort of image: .  Just because the victim isn't likely to complain doesn't mean we can go around violating copyright left, right, and sideways. --Carnildo 08:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Car images 

message: I accidentally uploaded images without selecting a copyright tag.  How can I go and change it without uploading a new one with the correct tag?
Also, if an image has an creative commons attribution-non-commercial license, how can I list it as such?
:Find an apropriate tag on this page (Wikipedia:Image copyright tags), then copy the code (for example  or whatever) to the image page. For the spesific image in question you would need  though. Non-commercial images are not sufficiently free and will be deleted on sight, don't upload such images unless you can use them under a fair use claim instead. --Sherool (talk) 03:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Click the edit this page button at the top of the image description page and copy the tag in over the old tag. -Nv8200p talk 18:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to change current copyright tag?  Attribution Non-commercial? 

message: Please see my proposal and rationale for creating a new version of the  template that does not include the troublesome "Subject to disclaimers" line.  Dragons flight 18:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this is a bad idea and a possible misinterpretation of the "Subject to disclaimers" line. These disclaimers are Wikipedia's. If someone uses the image, they will either remove that line from their licensing tagging (its not required by GFDL) or provide their own disclaimers when their hyperlink is clicked. The disclaimers are important. -Nv8200p talk 18:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

text: After rethinking this, you guys are probably right about getting rid of that line. There is a disclaimer link at the bottom of every Wikipedia page to cover this without burdening every image. -Nv8200p talk 21:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The GFDL explicitly requires that all disclaimers be maintained, so at present any reuser is required to provide a copy of all of Wikipedia's disclaimers, which is the circumstance I would like to avoid.  They can add their own disclaimers, but they are not legally permitted to change or remove ours.  Dragons flight 18:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if we are allowed to do that. Wikipedia:Copyrights also explicitly mentions these disclaimers. Lupo 09:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I replied on the Village pump.  JYolkowski // talk 21:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The disclaimers don't belong on the GFDL template - it's being used for images where those disclaimers were not present at the time the uploader licensed the image, without the disclaimers. No reason to force an author to license with disclaimers when they want to license without them. I know that I've never licensed an image with those disclaimers required for my licensees and object to a claim that they are required under the license I've granted. Jamesday 17:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to remove disclaimers from Template:GFDL 

message: I would like to propose the addition of an image copyright tag embodying the license described on the following image description page: :Image:Tim Starling.jpg. Some background discussion on this can be found at  and User talk:Tim Starling#Image on your user page. -- Tim Starling 06:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what you would like to do, but I consider any form of Wikimedia-only license to be an intolerable burden on reusers.  Dragons flight 06:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody wants their user page mirrored on 500 advertising-laden sites across the Internet, with every instance of the word "Wikipedia" replaced with the site's name. We now provide XML dumps which exclude user pages, there is no excuse for accidental user page reproduction. -- Tim Starling 07:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then we should figure out a way to change the licensing for userspace, cause as of right now even the crappiest advert laden spam farm has every right to reproduce any user page they want.  Besides, let's be clear your terms are not user-space only, they are Wikimedia only.  This would mean someone could create a problem with reproducing any non-article page simply by inventing an excuse to put sunglasses wearing dude on it.  Reusers and even derivative works sometimes incorporate content based on policy and even talk pages.  As a single use, your image probably will never create problems, but if allowed to propogate your license undoubtedly would eventually.  However, let me put my objection another way.  Wikimedia should not be in the position of providing and encouraging people to download content dumps that contain items which those people are generically forbidden from using.  Unless Wikimedia-only content is accompanied by a technical solution to prevent it from contaminating the dumps, I will be universally opposed to all such proposals.  Dragons flight 07:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've nominated the image in question for deletion at Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2006_February_23.  The current license for this image is incompatible for Wikipedia use.  Thanks for understanding.  Jkelly 22:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not approve of this license. We ask people to provide free content, then we, as user, think our uploads should be protected in some ways. This is against the spirit of Wikipedia. If you don't want your image used elsewhere, do not upload it here. If you do not want your user page on 500 other sites, don't create it here. -Nv8200p talk 20:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Community use only 

message: Hi. What kind of copyright statement do I have to put in if it is my own creation? Only I made a picture and now it has been deleted. Any help would be appreciated. Ajax 16:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the image description page, add a statement to the effect that you created the image, and then tag it as  or one of the tags listed at WP:ICT#For_image_creators.  Thanks, JYolkowski // talk 21:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My Own Work

message: OK, so what tag do I use with DND/CF images? DND/CF alows reproduction here, but it isn't free-and-clear public domain, and the other categories don't seem to fit...Any suggestions? Thanks. SigPig 06:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In general?  .  Their license statement doesn't allow commercial use, which is one of the things required for a license to be considered Wikipedia-compatible, and I doubt most of the images qualify under Wikipedia:Fair use. --Carnildo 07:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DND/CF images

message: Hello, I just had an image tagged for no source, I applied the source information, but someone came by (albeit new) and deleted the image from the page it was on without looking at the history seeing the source was applied. Ther reason I didn't remove it is that I figured since the tag doesn't say what happens, someone would verify the information I added. Previously, it worked that wasy, it was flagged for being orphaned, but I then added it to the appropriate wiki page. About a week later someone else came by and checked it. They saw it was no longer orphaned but then placed the no source tag. I applied the info within the day, but I wasn't sure who should remove the tag, again, I assumed that the people checking these things should be actually verifiying. I have a suggestion, could we place within the tag templates that are used to delete or remove information WHO is responsible for removing the tag? I think it would help as it isn't clear and people are doing it differently. -- dwxyzq|T 11:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this proposal. It's difficult for newbies to understand the usage of these templates, and I have frequently found not-orphaned images tagged as orphaned and sourced/licensed images tagged as "no source" or "no license". We could add something like: "please remove this template after providing the source". Mushroom (Talk) 15:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Process?

message: I noticed a number of images of passports (of the cover, straight on) in Passport were tagged with  or in the case :Image:UK passport.jpg . Does anyone know what the legal status of these is? From common sense, I would think it would be similar to  but IANAL. Otherwise, I would almost think that  could be applied. Thanks. howcheng  {chat} 19:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A photograph of the cover of an unmodified passport, with no creative lighting/angles/background, would fall under the same copyright as the cover itself under U.S. law.  This means that U.S. passports should be , I suppose, with a note that this may not be applicable in other countries (see Bridgeman v. Corel).  British passports would be Crown copyright by the same logic.Military insignia can't be copyrighted due to international treaty, apparently.  I guess it would be sort of cheap if you prohibited the enemy from telling his troops what ranks your soldiers were.  :P —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 03:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passport images 

message: A sub-category of :Category:Logos for logos of companies would be quite useful.  It would also help de-populate :Category:Logos, which is quite large.  A new tag for company logos, such as Template:Company-logo, would offer a quick way to describe the use of logos of this specific subject on Wikipedia, and would offer a way to auto-categorize any logos tagged as such into solely :Category:Company logos.  Kurieeto 23:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Company logos 

message: I wish to know the rule on using screenshots.  It seems standard practice to use a tv/film screenshot in an actor whenever an article mention a actors role in film/movie.  Is that ok?  Or does it have to actually discuss the specific scene in film?  Jessica Simpson and :Image:JSDD.jpg would be an example of the article disucssing the film in general, but not scene specifically.  Also, I find it confusing how we auto-accept screen captures, but take a dim view of pages inside a magazine.  In both cases, the copyright holder displays the cover publicly without charge, but hopes people to pay to see what's inside.  If we give away what's inside, we've lessened (but not eleminated) the need for the purchase.  I'm not so much interested in an arguement, as I would be, in an informed person, putting a clear expanation on this page and/or on the individual tags. --Rob 17:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Screenshots are acceptable only for purposes of review and critical commentary on the source they're drawn from, typically.  Therefore, a screenshot in an article about the movie the screenshot is taken from is generally okay, provided there's some commentary on the content of the screenshot.  If there's not, you're on shaky ground, unless you provide it for identification instead of commentary (which could be plausible if someone is dressed very distinctively, perhaps, so that readers of the article could later recognize images from that movie, but that's still kind of unlikely).The usage of that image in Jessica Simpson seems quite shaky to me, since it's for identification of the subject rather than the image itself.  Some commentary should be added, or else the image removed, IMO (IANAL).As for magazine scans: one shot from a movie doesn't impinge on the market of the movie itself, since movies are animated and one frame out of a hundred thousand doesn't compete with the full thing.  On the other hand, a single page of a magazine is a sizable fraction of that magazine, and in the case of a specific article of interest, being able to read the article via a screenshot would impinge on people's willingness to buy the magazine.  If the article were selected only to show the layout of the magazine, and the page itself was one that wouldn't reasonably impinge on the market (like an oldish editorial as opposed to a review of a new and hyped product, say), you'd have a perfectly reasonable fair-use case. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 04:08, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that policy page Wikipedia:Fair use criteria does not limit usage to "review and critical commentary", just says that it has to make a "significant contribution" of any sort. Stan 01:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I think that might be overbroad.  I'm suspicious of whether it would ever be fair use to use a photo for identification of the photo's subject matter.  See Wikipedia talk:Fair use criteria#Use of cover images. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 20:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots, when to use 

message: I just created  in response to the #Passport images question above.  Does it seem useful/worth adding to the list? —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 04:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unnecessary.   for US Passport.  Foreign passports are on a case-by-case basis.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is, however, that in some non-US jurisdictions the photograph of the passport may have its own copyright, independent of the uncopyrightability of the subject matter.  If the status of such images is uncertain in other jurisdictions, it would be a good idea to note that on the image page for ease of use by other Wikipedias or other places generally.   already exists, but it's better to be more specific (for instance, the Bridgeman v. Corel case suggested that the same logic would hold in the UK). —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 19:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:PD-Bridgeman 

message: I just stumbled upon , which appears to be a non-commercial license with about 100 images tagged with it.  Some might qualify for fair use, but the group needs to be cleaned up.  Dragons flight 23:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of them have the source quoted, just browse the galleries linked to. BTW, I contacted the portal to ask if we could use the pics for commercial use as well. Halibutt 12:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PolandGov 

message: I think we should implement the machine readable tags for creative commons licenses. These are rdf schemas for designating the tag that google, yahoo and other search engines use to identify creative commons content on the web. They are usually included in the html as sgml comments in the form below for  for example 
<!--
<rdf:RDF xmlns="http://web.resource.org/cc/" xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
<License rdf:about="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/">
<permits rdf:resource="http://web.resource.org/cc/Reproduction"/>
<permits rdf:resource="http://web.resource.org/cc/Distribution"/>
<requires rdf:resource="http://web.resource.org/cc/Notice"/>
<requires rdf:resource="http://web.resource.org/cc/Attribution"/>
<permits rdf:resource="http://web.resource.org/cc/DerivativeWorks"/>
<requires rdf:resource="http://web.resource.org/cc/ShareAlike"/></License></rdf:RDF>
-->
Currently it's not possible to include sgml comments in the html output, I filed a bug report regarding this and it was closed because there are security problems with letting anyone comments like this . I didn't consider that, but Brion mentions the possibility of having these comments coded so that people could select them and have them included. The implementation of this is obviously a complex issue and I wanted to get some people's opinion on it. How to implement, if it's a good idea etc. My initial thought is to put the comments in the Mediawiki namespace and have them optionally included in templates, but I'm sure other will have better ideas. 
If there are any questions about the benefits of tagging this way, briefly it allows search engines to locate the content (see the advanced search in google for example under usage rights) - cohesiont 09:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a great idea, but I'd like to see it as isolated from the end user as possible. Ideally, it would be transparent... few people would understand these tags and use them properly. ~MDD4696 22:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Machine readable tags 

message: I have removed the section on this template as the template has been deleted. Hairy Dude 17:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|GermanGov}} 

message: I've removed  and listed it on TfD.  I'm not aware of any state law that places works of state employees in the public domain. --Carnildo 07:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: California I believe. Many states may do, but never actually say so... I wonder if there's scope for a please-clarify-the-law letter to be sent? Also, we have a . This is a bit confusingly worded... and no citation given. It's certainly not PD if it's as it says! Shimgray | talk | 21:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colorado state copyright 

message: Pretty much all U.S. public military web sites state material on them is in the public domain, as works of the U.S. government.  However, there are obviously exceptions.  I beleive if an image says its a "courtesy photo", that means you have to assume its not in the public domain (e.g. somebody gave the image as a courtesy, and hence its not a work of the US government).   A disputed example is :Image:Nick Lachey Jessica Simpson USO 210405.jpg.  I would love us to be able to use this image (it's high quality), but I don't think it's public domain.  I've listed this on PUI, so I'm posting the question here, more to find out how to handle the general case (not just this one image).  I think I asked this before, but can't find the question/answer (sorry).  --Rob 15:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Courtesy photos on U.S. military web sites 

message: states that images are in the public domain "as defined by the Freedom of Information Ordinance of Pakistan".  Does anyone know if this law is an actual public-domain dedication, or is it similar to the Freedom of Information Act? --Carnildo 02:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ordinance doesn't mention copyright status at all - very few FOI laws do, and I say this with the confidence of someone who's read almost all of them. Shimgray | talk | 19:14, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|PD-PakistanGov}} 

message: There's a proliferation of copyright tags which apply only to one nation, or to one specific case in one nation. I've a list at User:Shimgray/tags, with the ones I'm concerned about for one reason or another - not citing the law in question, making weird claims, &c - in bold. Thoughts on how to go from here? Shimgray | talk | 21:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to check what work on this has been done at Commons to avoid duplicating effort.  Jkelly 23:07, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various national tags 

message: Anyone know where International Passport photos fall in regards to tagging? --WillDarlock 15:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Passport photo as in a 1" headshot, or as in a photo of the passport? Cover or inside pages?
What's "International"?  US passport photos are .  British are likely .  Other nations vary. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes...just the actual headshot photo on a passport, not the passport itself. This particular passport photo is from WWII era issued by Japan I believe --WillDarlock 14:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would probably be a no-go.  The copyright, in theory, belongs to the Japanese government.  Frankly I think that it's kind of ridiculous to enforce stuff like that when the government won't care even if it knew, but there you have it. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 05:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passport photos? 

message: What would be the copyright status of a simple line drawing, done by myself, which is based on one or more copyrighted photos? - Xed 16:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a derivative work of the original photograph.  Copyright limitations apply. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 17:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. I believe that this depends highly on the works in question, and the resemblence of the drawing to the originals. If the drawing is close enough to the photo that you can tell the photo was used as a source, then the derivative work limitations apply. However, if you only used it as a reference, then there's no worries. ~MDD4696 22:36, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

text: A sketch of a photo of the outside of Grand Central Station, which has no distinguishing artistic merit and is pretty much just an architectural image - you're fine. A sketch of that photo of the shaft of light in the Grand Central concourse? Definitely a derivative work. Shimgray | talk | 23:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if someone makes a drawing (this kind of quality) based on a copyrighted photo of an object in a museum. Say the object is an old Native American Totem pole, with a unique pattern and shape. The photo is the only one that exists of the totem pole, so there are no other sources. Is that drawing problematic? - Xed 23:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd argue the copyright was fine - the artwork is PD, and the photo isn't likely to be inherently artistic - but it'd be advisable to note you made it from that specific photo, so that errors can be traced. (It's really just a matter of citing your sources, now) Shimgray | talk | 23:35, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Are there any examples of this kind of situation (drawing of a photo being PD) on wikipedia somewhere? - Xed 23:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. I can't offhand think of any, but there's quite probably a few on archaeological articles. Shimgray | talk | 23:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drawings of Photos 

message: OrphanBot came by the Khalid al-Mihdhar article and removed the :Image:KAlmihdhar.JPG image, which currently has the  tag.  This photo was released by the FBI on September 27, 2001, as part of a press release.  Now, I'm not sure where the FBI got this photo from?  The FBI likely did not take the photo themselves, so not sure the  tag applies here.  And it's not exactly a .  The photo is probably from a passport, INS, or drivers license photo.  If nothing else, this photo certainly meets fair use criteria, but not sure which fair use tag to choose.
The same issues would apply to photos of FBI most wanted fugitives such as http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/gerena.htm. What tag should we be using for such photos?  --Aude (talk | contribs) 17:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I expect that it's probably not supposed to be against copyright law to circulate copyrighted images of wanted criminals (or wanted people, anyway).  I think this is a case where it may technically be illegal, but if it ever came to court Congress would pass a quickie amendment to clarify things.  Once the guy is no longer wanted, though, you lose that line of reasoning. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 05:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But which tag do you recommend we use?  The FBI tag, even though the photos are probably drivers license, passport, immigration, airport security video, ATM security camera, etc.?  Or maybe we should add a new tag, similar to the mugshot tag, to cover these cases of photos released by the FBI.  In the case of Khalid al-Mihdhar, of course, he died as part of the 9/11 attacks and isn't a "wanted criminal".  But if someone has information about him, surely the FBI would be interested and thus the press release. --Aude (talk | contribs) 16:49, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos released by the FBI of terrorists, most wanted fugitives, etc. 

message: I notice we have a few site spesific copyright tags already and I think this one might be worth adding (not sure if we have any kind of policy on those kinds of things). Lots of nice photos there and the photographer goes out of his way to release all rights to the pictures. We have quite a few pictures taken from there already, tagged with the depreciated "copyrightedfreeuse" tag (and a few PD). Any objections to creating a tag for that site? --Sherool (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  http://arglist.com/photos/ 

message: I'm not very well-educated when it comes to things like image licensing.  However, the tag at :Image:Shaunsnide.png is almost certainly wrong: what would the government of Belarus have to do with a picture of Shaun Ryder?  Could somebody do something about this: I'm not sure what to do here. --RFBailey 23:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uploaded by user with a number of test tags.  Tagged image as nosource.  Jkelly 23:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate license tags 

message: After trying to explain basic copyright stuff to a number of users and tagging and deleting thousands upon thousands of mistaged images I was inspired to write this. Basicaly I would like it to be a non-intimidating bare bones, easy to read primer to copyright issues (with focus on images) that sum up all the relevant stuff without getting too "heavy". Some help mercilesly fine tuning it would be greatly apreciated. Hopefully we can make it good enough to be worth linking to from the upload page or as part of the welcome template or something like that. --Sherool (talk) 16:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My little "essay" 

message: There's pictures og NFL players on trading cards on the internet, and there needs to be an image tag for them.
:At a first guess, I'd say that  would cover most of them. --Carnildo 03:39, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NFLPA and NFL License Tag

message: What is the status of files that are copyrighted by a company that no longer exists? Example: Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Woolworth_Building -Ravedave 03:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In general, if a corporation ceases to exist it auctions off all its assets (including intellectual property such as copyright) to pay any debts it may have, and gives any leftover money to its shareholders.  Somebody usually still owns the rights.  In the case in question, however, the image is out of copyright. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 04:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Company that no longer exists? 

message: Someone has adapted the copyright tag for :Image:Bb Derek-Laud.jpg. Could you please take a look and see if this is a good thing. The JPS 19:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Brother 

message: I am unable to see any tag which suits for tagging German photograph in public domain. See an image for example: :Image:NikolausGross.jpg
:I'm not sure it's in the public domain.  As I recall, German law protects photographs with no creative effort (basically, things like passport photos) for 50 years, and photographs with creative effort for life+70.  A portrait is in the "creative effort" group. --Carnildo 23:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tag for images which are in public domain from German country

message: How does a tag like this sound if we want to post sports cards? I've already uploaded a few, and I'm wondering if this tag would be a good one to use. Thanks:
This is a sports card of a certain player related to sports, and is protected by copyright and/or trademark.  It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of sports carsd 
*to illustrate the athlete in question
*on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation,
qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement.  Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement.  See Wikipedia:Fair use.
—This unsigned comment was added by Alexsautographs (talk • contribs) .
:Reasons for cards not being fair use to illustrate the athlete were discussed recently at Wikipedia talk:Fair use#Fair use of baseball cards images. If you an have an argument for their use as portraits, that would be the best place to raise it. ×Meegs 16:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports Cards 

message: Hi!
I recently recieved an indication to revise the terms by which I have uploaded an image for the Star Fleet Battle Force game from Amarillo Design Bureau, Inc., namely the sample image of a Base Station and Planet card for said game - as seen at :Image:Sampleplanetbats.jpg.
The closest option I can see in this list is the Template:Promotional option - although I would be grateful for any assistance regarding whether there is a more appropriate option for this particular image.
--Nerroth 15:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See if you can get the copyright owners to permit use of this image under a free license. If you cannot, this particular image probably cannot be hosted on Wikipedia. ~MDD4696 05:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sample Gaming Material? 

message: *I've recently uploaded two photographs of school buildings (with the intent to upload more); however, I was informed that the copyright tags that I've selected for the photographs are incorrect. I thought I'd leave a comment here to ask what the best course of action to take would be. I'd also like to suggest a new copyright tag for photographs of schools. I'm not sure how to go about doing that, but I'm sure someone with more experience would be able to help me out and give me guidance. Thanks! Wlmaltby3 22:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you plan on asking for permission, make sure it is permission to use the image under a free license, and not just on Wikipedia! Otherwise, this will hinder potential distribution of the image in the future. And always remember to state your source for images on Wikipedia. Hope this helps! ~MDD4696 04:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image tag for photos of schools 

message: There is a new page from a discussion at Wikipedia:Untagged images to help answer questions from people who have had their images tagged as no source/no license and we need your help :D The page is linked from  and  as well as Orphanbot's messages. If you want to answer mostly easy questions about copyright and sourcing policy please feel free to help :) - cohesiont 06:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Image legality questions]] 

message: An admin on commons is deleting several images related to Nazi Germany. I always thought these were PD; anybody know whath their exact status is? Seems a shame, as :Image:1936NurembergRally.jpg was a featured pic, and I cant imagine there is still copyright on it. 
Cheers, The Minister of War (Peace) 17:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Template talk:PD-Germany.  The copyright status of these images is an open question. --Carnildo 19:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there anybody in Germany or anywhere else who would want to claim ownership of Nazi-originated images? : -)   —Tenebrae 19:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha! Sure, I'll take 'em! :-) Thanks for the link! The Minister of War (Peace) 19:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi Germany Images 

message: Sorry if this is previously suggested, already done, or already rejected.  I propose a new image tag .  It would be prominently shown on this page, and on the upload page.  Users would be told to use it on the image description page, after an upload, if for any reason they think they made a mistake, so it could be speedied by an admin.  The mistake would normally be realizing (after the fact) that the image isn't useable after all for copyright/source issues.  Often, somebody uploads a bunch of pics, gets warnings about some, and realizes the rest are probably bad.  OrphanBot should also mention .  Currently, OrphanBot tells people they should check source/license for other pictures they've uploaded, but doesn't tell what to do for images that aren't "fixable".  I realize this doesn't let people do anything they can't already, but hopefully it gives a more obvious/clear means of doing so.  I know, way back, when I started, I was completely lost when I read about image deletion procedures.  Obviously, if this tag were used on an image that is clearly useable and valuable, and admin could disregard it, remove the tag, and keep the image.  Also, the tag could only be used by the uploader. --Rob 23:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  mistake tag? 

message: I've listed Template:N9jig-il-shield for deletion: I don't think we need a fair-use template for drawings of highway markers from one specific website. --Carnildo 04:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates for deletion