Talk:Dido

message: Is it relevant enough to include that Dante listed Dido as a soul in his Inferno (condemned for intemperance rather than suicide, interestingly enough)?
Dear WikiFriend, of course Dante's voice is important.
But I remember you these words by Dante:
«O voi ch'avete li 'ntelletti sani,
mirate la dottrina che s'asconde
sotto 'l velame delli versi strani».
(Inferno IX, 61-63; see also Virgil's Aeneid IV, 500)
I try to translate (I'm not English):
"You which have clever not stupid mind,
let's understand secret knowledge that is hidden
under surface of strange verses".
So we can see here Dante was a fellower of classical meaning of Knowledge.
For classical Authors (among others Virgil), each Knowlegde had THREE LEVELS.
Surface of verse is for PEOPLE that is ruled by POWER Class.
Dante respected this secret Law (POWER Class was Church in his times).
But each Author wants to express his own real thought.
This is in the second and third level of writing.
The kind of inclusion of Dido in Inferno is STRANGE, isn't it?
This is a way to tell us:
"don't stop here, search again, you which have clever not stupid mind:
let's understand secret knowledge that is hidden under surface of strange verses".
Thank you for your interesting question.
:I put a brief sentence in about Dido in the Inferno under the continuing tradition section. Ellsworth 21:31, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dante's inferno

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose. There is no clear primary meaning, so instead Dido should either point to Dido (disambiguation), or Dido (disambiguation) should be moved to Dido. Andrewa (talk) 18:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Could anyone write in a pronunciation of "Dido"? Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.240.110.23 (talk) 01:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Virgil's back-references in his Aeneid generally agree with what Justin's epitome of Trogus recorded. 
What does "back-references" mean here? And something about the sequence of tense implies that Justin's epitome is earlier than the Aeneid. Now, Trogus's history may have been slightly earlier than the Aeneid (he and Vergil were alive at the same time), but I'm unclear what this sentence is trying to say. Cynwolfe (talk) 12:49, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  'back-references" 

message: This talk page seems unnecessarily contentious and/or defensive. Let's have a bit of clarity guys. Entering Elishat in the search gets a redirect to the Carthage page (it should come here surely?) So how is it that there is no mention of the name variant Elishat on this page or that page? The Lesser Merlin (talk) 19:15, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elissa/Elishat/Dido 

message: Within the last few weeks someone has changed all the 'Elissa's on this article to 'Alyssa'. I dont know the reason for this change but Elissa is the original name (Well Elishat is the original Phoenician word while Elissa is a more 'modern' evolution of the name used by Greek scholars) and Alyssa is the current modern spelling. I just wanted to know if there was a sort of consensus to the choice by this user to change 'Elissa' to 'Alyssa' within the article. In my opinion 'Elissa', 'Elishat', 'Alissar' or 'Alissa' are more accurate but I wanted to get a conensus from the community before I reverted the changes done to the article.
: "Elissa" is used in the Aeneid, Ovid and more, so it's an actually attested "also known as".  davidiad.: 21:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Alyssa' with a -y- has nothing to do with Dido.  It's from the plant alyssum (a Greek word).  It's just a coincidence that it happens to sound like the Semitic name 'Elissa'/'Alissa.'--72.94.172.49 (talk) 03:12, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: From non-scientific reading of the Aeneid, I get the impression that Virgil treats the two names virtually as if they were just one name, which is declined Dido, Elissae, Elissae, Elissam, Dido, Elissâ. That is to say, he never seems to use Dido except in the nominative and perhaps vocative case (there is no Didonis, etc.), and he never uses forms derived from Elissa for these two cases.--2001:A61:260D:6E01:8480:AEE8:28A4:FF51 (talk) 20:47, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elissa/Alyssa 

message: I think over the past ten years this article has been added to and added to and added to and is now quite bloated. There is so much content simply tacked on that this article warrants a reorganization/prioritization so the most significant parts are highlighted and lesser content can be edited down or trimmed away. 
As it is, I think most readers will read through 3 or 4 paragraphs, scroll and see how exceedingly long the article is and just quit reading. Remember, Wikipedia entries do not have to be comprehensive and include every detail or perspective on a subject...they should just include information that is essential for a basic knowledge on a topic. Links and references can be provided for those avid enthusiasts who want to seek out further knowledge.
Again, the expected reader is someone who is unfamiliar with the Dido and wants a basic background on the figure, not a scholar of the classics. It's great that so many editors feel passionately about contributing to pages in this subject area but in this case, it's just far too long and too much content for the average, interested reader to wade through. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 14:37, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have "Ledes" as well as "infoboxes" to accomodate readers who just want basic information.  We also have "Simple English Wikipedia" to accomodate those who find it too hard to understand.  But if we were ever to adopt a view that we don't have enough room for detailed information and that it should thus be deleted, we would have to delete most of Wikipedia. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 14:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I kinda agree with both comments. I actually think the article omits a lot that readers might be looking for (the classical tradition stuff at the bottom is mostly a list and doesn't really give a well-rounded idea of what the figure of Dido meant in her reception by various aesthetic periods or genres), while at the same time the article manages to be verbose and repetitive—meaning there could be some reorganization and shorter sections within. The intro, however, is quite insufficient for those who only want a "quick read" summary. Doesn't mention the love affair with Aeneas and suicide, which is most likely the info needed if a reader's come here from a brief allusion in a literary work or scholarship. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone up for a trim? 

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message: This article desperately needs a reorganization; it is very difficult to read and make sense of it as it stands. The lede gives almost no information, and then you are slammed with a giant wall of text that seems to lack structure. I will try to work on this as I can, but it looks like a pretty big project to me.
The lede should give you some hint as to what you should be expecting below; that means adding a summary about her dubious historicity and the various sources we find her in.
The sections that really need the most reorganization are "Questions of Historicity and Dating", "Early Accounts", and "Vergil's Aeneid". Consider combining/reorganizing section headers.
Consider creating a timeline/table of events so that one can compare what information comes from which sources.
Ikjbagl (talk) 21:17, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization 

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