Talk:Bamileke people

message: I'd like a non-WWW source for the Bamileke flag that was added to the article today. Who uses this flag? What is its purpose? Is it nationalistic? Pending further verification, I've removed it for now. — BrianSmithson 18:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Flag of the Bamileke people"

message: I removed this:
:There was a Bamileke kingdom before colonial era. The reunification of Bamileke was achieved in the nineteenth century by conquest after a war of coalition. During this war Bamileke generals innovated the technique of Trench Wars. King Nkalakeu Hapi II aka "Panther of Lakeu (leke)" was also the top general during this war. Bamileke maintained a cordial relation with Germans but king hapi II was arrested and exiled in Duala by the French. He remained at New Bell for nine month. during his absence Princess Mabu served as interim Queen while Hapi Henry, a nine year old prince sat on the thrown. This was organized by the Kamvu secret society in order to thwart foreign influences. Eventually king Hapi II returned home and in 1925 his son Hapi III aka Ptah'Fu of Bana became the new king. In 1954 he met French governor Socadeaux at the summit of Dschang. The war for independence continued. The Bamileke genocide engineered by French colonial authorities took the life of perhaps one million people. A French Pilot and witness recalled that 400,000 people died in only two years. He compared the genocide to Attila. The Bamileke genocide was an holocaust. People were burned to death with napalm. It lasted over ten years. During this period colonial administration divided the kingdom. Dukedoms and counties disappeared. They were replaced by chiefdoms.
No sources were cited. — Dulcem (talk) 23:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "history revisited" 

message: The article now reads,
:For instance, contrary to common belief, the Bamileke are not Bantus that migrated from northeast to southwest some 10,000 to 30,000 years ago....The Benue-Congo language (from the proto Niger-Congo language did not give rise to Bamileke languages...many Egyptians fleed the Roman and Arab dominations and settled in the desert (Sahara) in the early centuries CE (AD 120-600)....Dieudonné "Toukam (2010) discovered that a last group of Baladi Egyptians (Fellaheen) migrated from the Nile Region in the 9th century. This group was special in that it bore the essence of Baladi culture. This group carried away a Baladi treasury. The researcher has good reasons for believing that those Baladi Egyptians migrated and became the Bamiléké. Indeed, when making a comparative study of the Baladis and Bamileke (to ascertain some oral-tradition facts), D. Toukam (2010) found that the Baladi heritage is still abundant in the Bamileke civilization so far. Besides, the so-called Baladi treasury (which is at the basis of the peculiarity of Bamiléké, coupled with genetic specificities, is more eloquent proof of the Baladi Egyptian origin of the Bamiléké people.:
I would strongly question this view of Bamileke origins, as it contradicts virtually everything not only that is "commonly believed," but that has been written by scholars on the subject, as far as I can tell.  What are the qualifications of Dieudonne Toukam?  According to his LinkedIn profile, his only higher education is as a translator.  He has no college or university level studies in history, anthropology, or any such field.  The fact that he has published books on the subject of Bamileke history does not make him an authoritative source. Also, I would really like to see evidence of the supposed "genetic specificities" that the author claims link the Bamileke to the Egyptians.  I have seen nothing of this in my studies of African genetics.
I would propose that this section needs some major editing. Iris-J2 (talk) 19:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egyptian origins? Dieudonne Toukam as an authoritative source? 

message: The "Total Population" is listed as 85,000 but the text says "They are the largest ethnic group in Cameroon". A population of only 85,000 cannot be the largest ethnic group in this country of over 25 million. Britanica says "about 2,120,000" (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bamileke). Even that seems low to be the largest.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blampied (talk • contribs) 16:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: So far in my interactions with other editors on this page I have come across scholastic mal practices and unethical editing.
Genetic evidence is completely withdrawn out of hand without any legitimate reason for it and scholars who affirm Nile Valley commonalities are dismissed outright and labeled "Hamiticist" without any thorough analysis or investigation of their literature.
This is not a proper way to edit and present unbiased information to readers. Without considering alternative peer reviewed sources that detail the genetic and cultural ancestry of the Bamileke and related groups in Cameroon readers are left assuming that these questions have not been answered even though they have been studied and published in great detail. Scholar editor 477 (talk) 00:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding text that is largely or completely unsupported by the references pasted to it also counts among the things that you denote as "malpractice". –Austronesier (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scholastic Malpractice & Unethical Editing 

message: This book is cited several times, but following through the in-article link to the Amazon page shows it's a self-published volume, and the summary is less than reassuring with regard to the quality of the work, frankly. For reference, this is: "In this amazing odyssey based on recorded data father and son scholars Alexis and Joseph Feyou de Happy bring new light to the history of “The people of Ka” (Bamileke). For generations important elements were transmitted through a line of gifted individuals. The great saga of an amazing journey going back 3900 years ago. The diaspora of people connected by culture that extends to the continent and beyond. The book was written in mid 80's and took about thirty years to finally be published. Unfortunately HH Joseph Feyou de Happy, devoted scholar and statesman left us in 2010. His great scholarship includes the first volume of Bana history, the first French/Bamileke dictionary and other works. In the seventies working with colleagues from CNRS (French National Center for Scientific Research) and ONAREST (Cameroon National Organization for Technical and Scientific Studies) he published with Mr Barbier the first record of Bamileke Medieval music. Prince Joseph Feyou de Happy was distinguished in the sixties as Knight of the Legion of Honor (highest medal in the country). He risked his life many times to save others. This amazing scholarship is quite enlightening. We learn for example that antibiotics were used in Cameroon over one hundred years ago. We discover a monarch orticultor and general at the same time. A trench war fought in 19th centuries. Quite a fascinating book indeed! Essential to the understanding of African history and world’s history at large. If we have one regret it is that the book is self published. After thirty years of waiting it is comprehensible that Alexis who endured some kind of persecution as well as numerous episodes of hacking finally decided to self publish his father’s work. We hope that brave editors out there will see the value of this book. Essential in our view to the understanding of world’s cultures and civilization." Given the work is self-published, no doubt this also derives from the author, hence the perhaps somewhat overblown assessment of the quality and value of the book.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.233.246 (talk) 04:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Feyou de Happy=