Talk:Leo Ornstein

message: Ornstein was born in the Russian Empire of Jewish nationality. Throughout Russian and Soviet history, Jews were classified as members of a distinct national group. In Ukraine, he would never have been called a Ukrainian.68.111.71.197 (talk) 23:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the lead sentence please refer to WP:MOSBIO. Thank you, --Tom 15:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: He wasn't Ukrainian

message: I can't find any other famous or semi-famous composers that lived longer. Is it safe to say? 64.252.139.28 (talk) 03:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest composer? 

message: Should there be an additional section, perhaps at the end, which discusses Ornstein's legacy today? The article makes it clear how he was viewed in his time, but comments from more recent composers and scholars may illuminate our modern perspective on Ornstein, especially in how he has had an effect on music since the 1920s.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.212.94 (talk) 09:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical impact 

message: only on Wikipedia does "original research" become "fact." 
76.17.118.157 (talk) 21:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Leo Ornstein Birthdate

message: Greetings,
I hate to point this out, and have refrained from doing so, because it is an issue that refers to myself, but I believe that there are mistakes in the citation for the quotations from Larry Sitsky.
Here's what is present now:
Sitsky, Larry, and Jonathan D. Kramer (2002). Music of the Twentieth-Century Avant-Garde: A Biocritical Sourcebook. New York: Greenwood. 
Please correct me if I am wrong, but should not the author of the article in a book edited by someone else, be cited?
Larry Sitsky is the editor, Jonathan Kramer wrote a foreward and I wrote the article on Leo Ornstein.  Surely, what is in the wiki article is not the standard practice and the conjunction of Sitsky and Kramer as dual author is incorrect.
Further, I have not compared the quotations from my article with what has been placed on the page and I will not do so because it might be considered unseemly.  But it seems that whoever used this source seems not to have had a copy before them and hence the quotations may not be accurate.
Please forgive me for this, but it seems to me that this article requires further review.
All best wishes.
Rumsong (talk) 17:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've corrected the in-text misattribution, all of the relevant citations, and the bibliographic information. I apologize for the errors, which were my doing. All of the quotations are verbatim.—DCGeist (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotations from book edited by Larry Sitsky 

message: Does anyone know for certain the pronunciation of Ornstein? I typed in the Cyrillic into Google Translate and the Russian voice pronounced it OrnstEEN while the American voice pronounced it OrnstIEN (as I would have expected...like Bernstein). — Devin.chaloux (chat) 13:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Ornstein 

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message: @Sneftel again changed a quotation, and removed the sic, referencing MOS:QUOTE. Well, here's what this says:
If there is a significant error in the original statement, use [sic] or the template  to show that the error was not made by Wikipedia. However, trivial spelling and typographic errors should simply be corrected without comment (for example, correct basicly to basically and harasssment to harassment), unless the slip is textually important.
I am baffled by your edit (as by most of your recent edits), which does exactly the reverse of this. Can you explain? In this particular case, the spelling "Scriabine" is not in fact an error at all, it is the natural French spelling, which Скрябин himself also used, but plainly it is not a "trivial spelling [or] typographic error", and is deserving of a "sic". Imaginatorium (talk) 06:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see. I thought it might be a variant spelling, but couldn't find it in Alexander Scriabin (you must admit, that information is rather hidden), so I assumed it was a typo. Sneftel (talk) 13:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of ''sic'' 

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message: This article was brought to Featured Article status reflecting Ornstein's birthdate as ca. December 2, 1893, per two authoritative sources. On June 4, 2016, an IP editor made a series of edits altering that date (see collective diff) to December 11, 1895, based on entirely unsubstantiated claims about various documents, a clear violation of WP:Verifiability. Those damaging edits (one can only imagine how much confusion they've caused out in the wider world) have been reverted. If anyone does have new, verifiable evidence about Ornstein's birth, I would certainly love to see it and we can figure out how best to accommodate it in the article. — DCGeist (talk) 23:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the matter of Ornstein's birthdate