Talk:The Storm (short story)

message: I think this section needs an info box for people who want quick information about the article so I will be adding one. Williams17 (talk) 19:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The analysis doesn't have any references or citations included in it. This could lead to the section not being reliable. Possibly adding reputable sources will help it to not be removed. Jjperez1 (talk) 17:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I am currently looking for links to external sources of interpretation for "The Storm". I think that this page could use some links to other individuals work - such as those found in the "References" section of "A Good Man Is Hard to Find (short story)". 
References in the "Analysis" section would also be nice.
:: I have noticed that the current external source leads to an error page and cannot be opened, so I am going to remove it from the pageJswen1 (talk) 21:11, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking for external discussion/interpretation 

message: I think it should be noted that Alcée has a number of babies with his wife Clarisse. It better represents their love for eachother rather than just stating that they are husband and wife. Emilydean1 (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this statement that the author fails to display the significant love each of the characters have with one another to give better reasoning as to why there was conflict and resolution throughout the story. Abdiel Tejada (talk) 18:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

text: That makes sense, especially because the detail about Bobinot buying shrimp for Calixta, which is included in the summary, shows that the two of them have a happy marriage as well. Dumas1110 (talk) 21:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

text: Hi! Thank you very informative.Dan tuohy (talk) 17:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

text: I do not agree, they have not seen each other alone and the only reason why they had an encounter is because of the unexpected storm.Kiarabhiro (talk) 16:19, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. Also the plot summary states that she worries about her son and husband while she's collecting the clothes, in the story she doesn't really worry about their safety. Kcolv1 (talk) 21:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

text:  I agree with this and I also believe that besides just being "entranced in the situation", Calixta's intensions are just to rekindle an old flame. She does not have the intentions of ruining her marriage over this affair. Ashsosa1 (talk) 14:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

text: I don't think that "impatient" is the right word. The book states that he "expressed an intention to remain outside" (para 10) but, to me, that doesn't show impatience. I think it was more to show respect for the fact that Calixta is home alone without her husband.Jrams2 (talk) 02:04, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

text: I agree, one error was that it mentioned that Calixta immediately embraces Bobint and Bibi when they returned home without mentioning how dirty Bibi was but she did notice him being muddy Asant12 (talk) 17:21, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

text: I also noticed the spelling difference Asant12 (talk) 17:21, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is an online version that spells the names incorrectly. This is apparently a result of attempting to put accents in the characters’ names (because they do have them): their names are: Bobinôt and Alcée. Dumas1110 (talk) 21:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

text: I think that this is a very interesting observation and someone should expand on it. Alexaorlando7 (talk) 17:25, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

text: I edited the 3rd paragraph first sentence to say that Alcee asked her if he could come inBrubes2 (talk) 21:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly agree that the affair between Alcee and Calixta had provided them closure - Although the plot summary states that their current relationships are supposedly "new." But, considering the fact that each couple has had children, should we make a change indicating that their current relationships have actually been long-term to avoid confusion? Smxash39c (talk) 00:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

text: Also at the end of the plot summary, it is stated that "The end of the storm specifically leaves the status of the affair between Calixta and Alcée open-ended as Alcée takes an extended stay absence from his wife to be in closer proximity to Calixta after the events of the night." But where in the story is this the proven reason that Alcee writes to his wife? If Calixta and Alcee only had the affair to gain closure, why would Alcee want to remain close to Calixta? G.Sant6 (talk) 15:45, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary 

message: This needs some touching up. Some facts are not entirely accurate. I believe it was the third paragraph when it states, "The narrator begins by describing Calixta as a worrisome wife," this is not true.  In the story, the author first describes Bobinôt and Bibi stuck in Friedheimer's store in section one. Then, the author writes, "Calixta, at home, felt no uneasiness for their safety," in the first sentence of the second section (Chopin). Also I do not agree with the page when it says, "Calixta's husband, the reader assumes, no longer looks at her the way Alcée does," because while Bobinôt and Bibi are stuck in the store, Bobinôt picks out a can of shrimps for Calixta. Another thing is the quotes need to get integrated. I will be working on this. Lwarn1 (talk) 16:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you as well. Some of the facts do not line up with what the story entails. As a fan of this story, I believe it is rather necessary to be true to the facts and be sure of having correct information. If you need help or need another source to help write about this topic, feel free to contact me and we can work together to provide a relevant and truthful explanation. Lmuraskin18 (talk) 05:19, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I agree. Also, I feel that the quotes could be integrated into the paragraph better as well, so that the overall paragraph flows better.Nholm2 (talk) 16:25, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also agree that the facts of the story need to be correct on this page Asant12 (talk) 16:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree! This is just assuming things rather than stating facts. They say that Calixta's husband does not look at her the same way as Alcee does, not realizing her husbands literally at the store to get something for Calixta. It does not matter what way he looks at her, you can tell he is head over heels for her by him going out in a storm just to get her what she wanted.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amcma3 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

text: I agree with this statement. Ashsosa1 (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

text:  I agree with the statement also.  The changes will make a big differences and the analysis section would be organized.Wgome1 (talk) 21:56, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Please make these changes! The analysis section really needs to be fixed! Oeparker1 (talk)
 21:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

text: Agreed, the last two sentences of the first paragraph stood out most to me upon first reading.Jrams2 (talk) 16:38, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

text: Agreed, there should be an analysis of how the storm's description changes overtime from dangerous and imminent to more positive words, much like the affair.Cdebo3 (talk) 17:42, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

text: I agree, there should be an analysis as to why both Alcee and Calixta have an affair; because of the entrapment of marriage. Go into detail with how the time period and marriage work together to create this passionate affair.Cdebo3 (talk) 17:20, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree. The time period of when the story was written should be something explored in the analysis because it may explain why the characters had an affair and what they believe about marriage.Ztyler460 (talk) 03:07, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Analysis 

message: The plot summary includes a few direct quotes from the story but is not followed by any acutal citations. Alindo1 (talk) 17:04, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary 

message: I think we should add a character section because I noticed that there was a lack of one in this article and it is important to highlight the characters in the story. Also, I think once there is a character section, a table of contents should be included so when people read the article about "The Storm" it would be easier to find what they are looking for.Esierra12 (talk) 20:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Since without the characters names being highlighted, it makes it very distracting for the reader and harder to focus as well. Nholm2 (talk) 16:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

text: In some versions of the story, the names are spelled differently. Specifically, "Alcee". I feel this should be pointed out. (https://americanliterature.com/author/kate-chopin/short-story/the-storm)Kiarabhiro (talk) 16:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character section and Table of Contents 

message: In the first paragraph, should it describe who "the pair" is instead of leaving it up to interpretation? I understand it explains the father his son in the beginning of the paragraph, but it seemed unclear to me.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrif4 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary 

message: I believe your plot summary is VERY well written, it makes sense and flows in the correct order. However, there are some grammatical changes that I would make. In your first paragraph you state, "Meanwhile, back at their house, Bobinôt's wife, Calixta is so occupied with her sewing that at first she does not notice the ominous clouds or thunder." The first part of the sentence seems a little choppy. I recommend changing the beginning to say, "Meanwhile, back at their house, Calixta, Bobinot's wife," or maybe remove the phrase, " Bobinot's wife," since you explain the characters orientation with each other later in the article. You should also include a comma after the word first where it says, "occupied with her sewing that at first, she does not notice." 
In the first sentence of the second paragraph you state, "The storm worsens so Calixta invites..." It would benefit your article to apply a comma after the word "so". 
Afar from the grammatical changes above, I think you have a strong article! 
ErickahM0607 (talk) 03:57, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the plot summary is very good. I also agree with the changes suggested. Sparr3 (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

text: I also agree that the plot summary is very well written and gives the article reader a good sense of what the story is about. However, I also agree with the grammatical changes that need to be made.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkwia1 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary  

message: Although the storm itself is symbolism from the story, there are other forms of symbolism that should be added as part of this section. There is also the small town of Assumption. Assumption is where Calixta and Alcee first met and where they shared their first kiss. However, Assumption also has religious relations with the meaning of virginity. Alcee and Calixta never had sexual relations in Assumption. Rather than having sex in a place associated with virginity, they decided to do this act in the comfort of Calixta's home.
ErickahM0607 (talk) 13:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  The chinaberry tree and other elements are also symbolic. It would be nice for the symbols to all be included in this section, which might help the coherence of the "Analysis" section of the article. Dumas1110 (talk) 13:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. The chinaberry tree as well as the lightning bolt serve importance. This should be mentioned as the chinaberry tree represents both Alcee and Calixta, while the lightning bolt represents their passion being "struck".Angiekullira (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

text: I agree, there should be mention of the setting being placed in Louisiana along with a citation but not necessarily in this section. Perhaps in the 1st section where we mention the author and a general overview of what "The Storm" is about, or in the plot summary section.Cdebo3 (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

text: I agree that more needs to be added to this section. The color white also shows Calixta's virginity within her marriage and how she rarely fulfills sexual desires. This is shown with the symbolism of her white bed.Jchud2 (talk) 14:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also agree with the other symbolisms for the color white in the story Asant12 (talk) 16:19, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

text:  I agree that there is evidence of what time period the story takes place, but I don't think that there is much direct evidence of religion and its role in the story. Alexaorlando7 (talk) 17:21, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Assumption" could refer to religion as well as virginity and purity. Alcee brought this up because they kissed in Assumption which could symbolize that they weren't innocent in the past, so they don't have to be so innocent in the present. Angiekullira (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

text:  I added a paragraph on Assumption that goes more in depth.Angiekullira (talk) 00:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

text: I appreciate your addition to the article, but one thing that I had noticed in your sentence directly after your use of the term "birthright," is what seems to be a "double negative." Could you perhaps reconstruct that sentence to perhaps be a little more clear to readers as to what you're trying to say? Smxash39c (talk) 17:18, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbolism  

message: Overall the introduction is well written, but there is no evidence of there being "frequent and dangerous" storms. In fact, Calixta comments on how "'It's good two years sence it rain' like that'" in section II of the story.Jrams2 (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that nowhere in the story does it mention that there are "frequent and dangerous" storms. That quote should be removed unless there is evidence that can back it up.Dkwia1 (talk) 23:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, someone should add evidence or delete it.Camcam80 (talk) 22:07, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: : I agree that the analysis some content should be cited or it may seem not plausible.Gchav1 (talk) 22:35, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Analysis

message: There was a movie made in 2009 based off of the story. I'm going to add it under a new section.Jrams2 (talk) 13:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Versions 

message: This story explores affairs in a much different light than what would have been considered during the time period in which it was written. The author treats the affair as a normal part of life and does not shame it in any way. Everyone is able to remain happy at the end without anything being ruined by the affair. Additionally, the figurative language used to compare the affair to nature is quite vital to this idea. It creates the feeling that the affair actually is natural.Eristev4 (talk) 14:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the author treats the affair as if it were a normal part of life. I also get the sense that there was an underlying message that the affair actually helped Calixta and Alcee's family afterward. I think it would be interesting to add to the page to see what other people think of this idea. Bmcph1 (talk) 01:12, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Normalizing Affairs

message: When actually reading the story, it is broken up into different sections. These allow each different piece of the story to be interpreted on its own as well as in context with the entire story. These sections are not mentioned anywhere in the article. I think they should be either added within the plot summary or discussed within the analysis. The breaks in the sections of the story provide the reader with completely separate scenes but allows an easy understanding. Additionally, different relationships between characters are highlighted in each of these sections. In the very least, this should at least be mentioned once in the article. Eristev4 (talk) 14:07, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the fact that the story has separate sections should be discussed within the article. For example, Alcée and Bobinôt do not ever appear within the same section, and neither do Calixta and Clarisse. Cj.vincent22 (talk) 18:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentioning the sections in the story 

message: I think that more needs to be added to this section of the article, being that there are multiple points of views to the plot and theme. Jchud2 (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I just made a minor change because there was an extremely long run on sentence. I changed it by splitting it into two sentenced.Bmcph1 (talk) 03:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical Response

message: Several comments in the Talk section seem to assume that the passionate episode between Calixta and Alcee is a one-time fling. 
Others state that the respective marriages of these two are happy and content. However, the first story of the pair, "At the 'Cadian Ball,"
makes clear that Calixta is seriously in love with Alcee. Although the attraction he feels for her is almost entirely physical,
he's decent enough to "flee" rather than endanger her virginity. Several years later, at the time of "The Storm," their marriages
are presented as settled and placid rather than exactly "happy." And a broad hint implies that Alcee's wife Clarisse welcomes a vacation
from him because she doesn't enjoy her marital duties.
In regard to Alcee and Calixta returning to their former faithfulness to their spouses, after the storm, the story leaves some doubt. Because
divorce was so unthinkable at that time, and because they belong to different castes in society, they'll almost certainly
stay married to others. However, we have to consider Alcee's letter to his wife, in which he urges her to extend her vacation
by a month. The only reason he would do this is if he hoped, and planned, to have opportunities for further romantic encounters with
Calixta.
23.121.115.9 (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  But Do Alcee and Calixta Really "Go Their Separate Ways"?