Talk:Lists of national symbols

message: I don't think "Columbia" needs to be listed as a symbol (person) of the United States. That's a very obscure symbol that is almost never used nowadays.  I seriously doubt that a majority of Americans know who "Columbia" is (whereas everyone knows "Uncle Sam").
:I think Columbia may be taged as unofficial, just like other national symbols. --Tonyjeff 11:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columbia 

message: Should Catalonia be on this page? I realize that this is a page on national emblems, however can Catalonia be considered a nation? It appears that it is just a territory of Spain. -Zer0fighta 21:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A 'nation' doesn't have to be a nation-state to be a nation. Joffeloff 19:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalonia 

message: The Brazil embassy says Brasil's national flower is Tecoma chrysostricha, but I suspect they got the latin name wrong. Maybe someone with know-how in Biology should look into that matter or cross-check with other encyclopedias.
:Brazil nation tree is the Tabebuia alba (Ipê amarelo), and its flower, the Tabebuia alba flower, the national flower. The problem is that Ipê amarelo may refer to a numerous of different trees, apparently similars. It may cause some confusion. --Tonyjeff 23:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazil 

message: I think the entries under "inanimate objects" and "Nationalized, stylized icons (patriotic)" should be merged into a single column, as, as far as I can tell there is no meaningful distinction between the two. All national symbols are by definition patriotic icons, so I see no need to segregate the two. It seems very arbitrary. J.J. 19:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Inanimate objects" lists real objects, like mountains, constelations and so, while "stylized icons" refers to symbols designed for an especific objective. Both are about patriotic (national) symbols, but of different natures. --Tonyjeff 22:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: I think that initially this article intended to list only the official national symbols, but gradually many others unofficial ones started to come up. I think it would be better to tag the official ones (as official) instead of the unofficial, since there may be more unofficial than official symbols. --Tonyjeff 11:18, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Official / unofficial

message: *China – Primary: peony (specifically Rock's Peony or tree peony) Supplementaries: chrysanthemum (autumn), mei blossom (winter), orchid (spring), water lily (summer),   (See: )
**People's Republic of China – sunflower (obsolete), peony (unofficial)
***Hong Kong – Bauhinia blakeana
***Macau – Lotus
**Republic of China (Taiwan) – mei blossom
Why is it so difficult? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.214.17.5 (talk) 23:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: China's national flower

message: Sparrow has never been confirmed as an official bird for China. In fact that sparrow was chosen as 'official bird' was an internet prank by Chinese netizens. Red-Crowned Crane is more likely a suitable candiate due to cultural reasons, but it's also not official.
--Hnfmr(talk) 20:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  China's Offical Bird 

message: Excuse me, I'm Italian and in this article I can see that the tower of Pisa, the Colosseum and the Gondola are considered unofficial symbols of Italy. I think it's wrong because the tower of Pisa is the symbol of Pisa, the Colosseum of the ancient Rome and the Gondola of Venice. Course everyone thinks at them as an important part of Italy's art and culture, but not as national symbols; otherwise it may sound a little bit stereotypical. Thanks and sorry for my bad english. --Duvilar 16:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the above. Moreover, about the animal, I have never heard that the (Italian) wolf is the Italian national animal emblem. -- AnyFile (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italy's unofficial symbols 

message: Canadian Horse has been an official Canadian Symbol since April 30,2002 - along with the Beaver as the two fauna emblems. Common Loon is not official, nor is the Canada Goose, Canada Lynx, Moose or any other animal.Likemike1 18:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Horse 

message: I've cited ASEAN as a reference for the national flowers for ASEAN countries, but now I am asking myself was that okay to do? http://www.asean.org/18204.htm --Dara 23:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ASEAN 

message: I had changed the national animal to 'cow' and added 'lophophorus' as national bird but it's been changed back to 'Bengal Tiger'. I am sorry that I didn't discuss first.
But I think I was not wrong. Please comment on this. May be I was wrong.Rabindrabrj03 18:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nepal's national animal 

message: I deleted the material that presented the patron saint of the United States as Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception.  Anyone who is willing to make up a reference to a law which supports the rediculous claim that Americans have a patron saint, or by declaring such we have officially established or give preference to a particular religion, may put it back in.  67.172.153.122 (talk) 20:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States 

message: Pigeon or Eagle National animals of Albania?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irvi Hyka (talk • contribs) 00:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albania 

message: These appear to be national symbols, not emblems.  A symbol, according to Dictionary.com, is something that "represents something else by association, resemblance, or convention, especially a material object used to represent something invisible".  So an eagle is a symbol of the United States, as a rose is a symbol of England.  An emblem is "object or its representation, symbolizing a quality, state, class of persons", or an "allegorical picture, often inscribed with a motto supplemental to the visual image with which it forms a single unit of meaning", like a coat of arms being the emblem of that state.  They can overlap, as an eagle is, because of its use in the coat of arms, also an emblem of the United States.  It would be safer to list all of these as symbols, however, as they all would be symbols of a nation/country/state, but not all are emblems.  [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 21:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There are many national emblems in Asian countries for example, which do not use a coat of arms such as in European nations. This article seems to talk more about symbols. Gryffindor (talk) 18:34, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree; these are symbols rather than emblems. Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 06:36, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbols or emblems 

message: Officially, P. R. China do not have national bird, plant, animal, flower, etc!
So  It Is  A  Special  Design  Kid .    HarryPotterNot (talk) 13:12, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: China

message: gray wolf is not national emblem/symbole of Turkey, it is just used by the turkish nationalists. as I don't there are any animal symbols representing Turkey I remove it completele. Any objections? --ArazZeynili (talk) 12:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey Gray Wolf? 

message: Has  AnyBody  Yet Improved  The  Articl .   HarryPotterNot (talk) 13:15, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improve  Article  Notice  .. 

message: If the Indus is the unofficial river of Pakistan, then the Mississippi is the unofficial river of the US and the Volga for Russia, and so on. So which of these unofficials is worth a mention? D O N D E groovily Talk to me 16:56, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion criteria for unofficial emblems 

message: This is a very long list to have only 20 references!  I see it's also been tagged  for over a year and many other unreferenced entries have been added in that time.  Please remember that WP:Verifiability is one of our core policies.  Any entry that does not cite a reliable source is subject to removal.  Please add references.  I will look for references for some of these myself over the next few weeks, but I am also busy off-wiki this month. Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 04:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I started with Afghanistan, and unfortunately I could find few sources that even appeared to be reliable, but most of these give only the emblem, flag, and national anthem. I found a lot of humorous answers for "what is Afghanistan's national flower?" but the most frequent answer I found was that Afghanistan does not have a floral emblem. Then I found this page supporting the assertion that the tulip is their national flower (which is what we have listed), but is http://targetstudy.com a reliable source? Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 18:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I just gave the article a pretty serious haircut. Given the overwhelming lack of sourcing, it is easier to rebuild a new list from reliable sources than to go hunting sources for a huge list of unreferenced entries, particularly when others continue adding unreferenced entries. Now at least we can go forward with a smaller but far more reliable list and build it up from there. Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 14:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Housekeeping needed 

message: Why do India and Bangladesh dominate the examples? cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 13:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  India and Bangladesh in examples