Talk:Stephen F. Austin

message: Someone keeps changing the number. Xiner (talk, email) 16:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great question.  I didn't touch the last change by the anon since it is mathematically correct - according to that date (June 1798), he would have been four.  I just can't find a cite for that date.  To make matters worse, the three major references/external member of the tribe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.206.229.196 (talk) 19:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was he four or five when "his family moved forty miles west of the Mississippi River"? 

message: He has done so many things in Texas and many others historyback then
Words can not explain what he has done . Thanks to him life is much better for all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.135.34.101 (talk) 03:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stephen F. Austin 

message: Especially the sentence "He was known as the Father of Texas, led the second, but first legal and ultimately successful colonization of the region by bringing 300 families from the United States." 
This needs tidying up!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bc22233 (talk • contribs) 23:22, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Bio Unclear 

message: Stephen F. Austin was granted Mexican citizenship on March 9th, 1824 and probably baptized a Catholic to receive the land he claimed in his father's name. The 300 families to whom he granted land had to abide by the same guidelines. It might be worth investigating these claims to insure the integrity of the article.http://www.cah.utexas.edu/texashistory/annex/view.php?wrkid=txu-crra-2a149-03091824&pn=1 This link shows a copy of the original document. I am not good at citing rules, and I do not want to infringe any laws by using somebody else's materials, but surely you can investigate. Thank you! --66.199.62.19 (talk) 14:59, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stephen F. Austin Mexican citizenship 

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message: please change ((Mexican)) to ((Mexico|Mexican))
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thread_title:  Mexican link 

message: He moved to Spanish territory and his father became a Spanish citizen, changing his citizenship as well, as a child.  1803-1812 They were still Spanish Citizens, there is nothing written that his family changed back to American citizenship.  AFter 1822 when he moved to Mexico, not Texas, since the region was still considered Couhilla part of Mexico.  This is where everyone gets this wrong.  He moved to Mexico and not Texas, and was a devoted Spanish Citizen.  He died a Spanish Citizen, not an American citizen.  He wanted nothing to do with the rules of America and tried to change the rules everywhere he lived (Arkansas, Louisiana).  He was a despot, and not my fellow American.  Please get this correct in your files.  He was a Spanish citizen for since he was 4 or 5 years old and there is no proof that he ever dropped his Spanish citizenship and or declared his double citizenship.
    Tewoodson (talk) 15:29, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Austin as an "American Empresario" 

message: I am requesting that the 20:15, 21 July 2017 version of this page, which I contributed, be restored in full.  
Not only was the edit made in good faith, but it was also cited with five reputable sources.  The edit was uncontested for 10 days, until  reverted it citing my need for "better sourcing."  However, there is some context to express here:
 recently reverted an entire edit I made to a different page.  It was an edit that had been cleared by three previous editors, and one for which I received encouragement and support.  However, my edit was on a page that  has been the primary editor for the last 10 years.  This is relevant given Montanabw's established history of WP:OWNERSHIP behavior and WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality.  I provided solid sources and learned of no issues of the edit until Montanabw appeared, and reverted my entire edit, which included sections about cowboys of color, cowgirls of color, and homosexual cowboys.  Then this happened...
Initially Montanabw said he/she reverted my edit to "Remove a lot of changes that are not supported by appropriate source material."  When I challenged this, he/she then said, "Discussion is appropriate." Then, he/she disregarded by edit with his/her opinion that "There is a lot of nonsense about cowboys out there and a lot of bad sources." Yet, in the same breath, he/she implied that my sources weren't, in fact, the issue, but that, "This article is in need of careful development..."  After that, he/she accused me of copyvio.  And then, on the Talk page, he/she listed off a myriad of "other" things I supposedly violated.....including several of my edits not being "very good."  While the target of his/her accusations kept moving, the accusations were also illogical given that, if I was guilty of these things, at least a few of them would have been flagged by the copyviol tool I used (which was provided to me by other admin) when I submitted the edit, or by any of the three admins I asked to check it when I submitted it.  While I thoroughly refuted Montanabw's accusations, and am working to get my full edit restored on the Cowboy page...Montanabw belittled me i.e. "...you are someone who hasn't quite yet learned how to edit around here," and seemingly followed my edit history to this Stephen F. Austin page with an obvious intent revert my edit.  Otherwise, it's quite a coincidence that Montanabw, who has never been an editor on this page, suddenly appeared and took no issue with any other edit on the page...only mine.  
My edit to the Stephen F. Austin page was primarily on slavery, which was the largest economic driver of Austin's colonies.  This is important, as it was a practice that Mexico opposed and tried to ban (twice).  Austin viewed this as government overreach, and it was a big factor of the Texas Revolution.  This is important, and it should not remain omitted from this page, as it distorts history, along with Austin's motivations.  However, Montanabw reverted my entire edit, chastising me for needing "better sourcing."  After I noted that the reversion was petty, Montanabw restored one sentence, and used two of my references for his/her own edit, which doesn't make any sense because if my edit needed "better sourcing" to begin with...and my sources were so bad as to necessitate the entire edit to be reverted in the first place, then why restore any of the edit or restore any of the sources?  
That said, these are the sources I used for my edit:
:#Texas State Historical Association 
:#Cambridge Scholars Publishing (#4 in the Library of Social Science's ‘World’s Top Ranked Publishers’ List)
:#Hardin, Stephen L. (1994). Texian Iliad – A Military History of the Texas Revolution. Austin, TX: University of Texas Press. ISBN 0-292-73086-1. OCLC 29704011
:#Lack, Paul D. (1992). The Texas Revolutionary Experience: A Political and Social History 1835–1836. College Station, TX: Texas A&M University Press. ISBN 0-89096-497-1
:#Stuntz, Jean A. (2012). "Tejanas: Hispanic Women on the Losing Side of the Texas Revolution". In Scheer, Mary L. Women and the Texas Revolution. Denton, TX: University of North Texas Press. ISBN 1-57441-469-0.
I concede that I could have clarified three of the above better; however, Montanabw  never gave me the opportunity to do so.  Rather, Montanabw implied that my sources were not reputable.  
So, I decided to ask for consensus to restore the 20:15, 21 July 2017 version of this page for three reasons: 
:1)  I fear that, by trying to edit and re-submit, Montanabw may just revert me again for "some other" reason, and the target will remain elusive. 
:2)   is an has a well establish edit history, and the power to go with it, so getting into a back-and-forth seems futile. 
:3)  I am fairly new at this, as my history of edits have mostly been minor, and am trying to keep my budding history/record as a contributor in tact.  
So, I'm coming to the Wiki community because I believe in Wiki's Five Pillars and because I think my contribution here is important...and worth fighting for.  Thx Justbean (talk) 09:30, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: "Consensus" does not mean, "restore my edit in full."  The correct guideline is WP:BRD.  Here, there was clearly a very long, unfocused set of edits that went well beyond anything to do with Austin.  I reverted but then went in and restored part of the new content where it seemed appropriate and potentially useful.  The entire history of slavery in Texas is beyond the scope of this article and so it needs to go elsewhere.  The rest I think needs to be reviewed by those who have edited this article more often, as there may be additional problems with even the remaining content, but as it has been pointed out, I do not regularly edit articles about Texas history, so other eyes with greater expertise may be useful.  Montanabw(talk) 19:37, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: , as mentioned, I know "Consensus" does not mean, "restore my edit in full."  However, I requested the restoration because the edit stood for 10 days, without issue, before you reverted it.  If there was an issue with the content, I think those who regularly edit/know this Page/History would have pointed it out in that time.  Also, this was far from the entire slavery in Texas, so that's not fair, or even accurate, to say.  I literally contributed 13 sentences that put the importance of slavery in context of this page.  Without slavery, Stephen A. Austin does not exist...as there would be no economy, which would discourage other settlers from coming to Texas.  And, without slavery, there would likely be no Texas Revolution.  So, it was vital to the development and success of Austin, as a man...and Austin as a city.  To take exception to fewer than 15 sentences providing context for that...well that's, in part, why I'm requesting the full restore.  Thx Justbean (talk) 23:09, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: So the article doesn't have a lot of watchers.  My position is that I restored part of what you wrote, but the rest is beyond the scope of this article, plus the use of sources was not simply the quality of the source, but how it is used.  We have wikilinks to direct readers to other articles where things such as Slavery in Texas are explained in more detail.  So, 13 sentences in this context was more than needed.  There may be room for some expansion, but focus on Austin himself.  Try adding ONE paragraph of focused content and let's see how it goes. Montanabw(talk) 00:21, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thx !  Appreciate that.  Will take a stab at it. Justbean (talk) 01:35, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus Request

message: Austin seems to be documented as one of successful genocide planners against Texas Indians whose land he stole. Should be mentioned. ref F Todd Smith (2006), From Dominance to Disappearance, The Indians of Texas..., page 127 Kipala (talk) 17:40, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Genocide against Karawanka people

message: I believe there are incorrect dates/ages in the STEPHEN F AUSTIN article on Wikipedia. Specifically, the article states that Austin was age 24 when he led the "Old 300" to Tejas, yet it also says that this trek occurred in the years 1821 to 1825, and that Austin was born in 1793. If he was born in 1793, that would make him ages 28 to 32 during this migration. Clearly his birthdate, age at migration, and/or the time-frame of the migration is incorrect.  
Thank you. 2603:900A:780:2200:450A:6061:572B:5714 (talk) 00:13, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: you added his age at that time with this edit.  Was the age taken from the Todish source given for that material, or was that a typo? Kuru (talk) 01:20, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Three years later, I have no idea. You are welcome to change his age at the beginning of the migration to be consistent with his birth year. Thanks for catching that.Parkwells (talk) 15:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood; I've just dropped the age for now. Kuru (talk) 23:59, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2018 

message: It appears Austin signed his name "Estevan" on documents in Spanish Thegunkid (talk) 10:43, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding his Spanish Name? 

message: he got arrest in 1834. for sending a letter to start a new goverment  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.157.40.94 (talk) 19:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  arrest of stephen f. austin  

message: need to change the year he settled in Texas form 1825 to 1824. EthanJB1322 (talk) 21:03, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 21:10, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2020 

message: There is no such thing as a family coat of arms. Arms are issued to individuals only. The notion of a family crest was invented to sell books on heraldry. One can do a simple Google search and find multiple credible sources that explain this. There is no Austin family crest and it has no place on this page. Here's the Google search- https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=no+such+thing+as+family+coat+of+arms
Please don't add the CoA back unless you can find a credible source to prove it (which you won't). It'sOnlyMakeBelieve (talk) 16:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: MAybe not but [] "family coat of arms of Stephen F. Austin ".Slatersteven (talk) 16:54, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, we'll need to get some sort of consensus then. You should take of that. Or I can talk to an admin. It'sOnlyMakeBelieve (talk) 16:58, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yiou asked for a source you have one, what is the issue?Slatersteven (talk) 17:05, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Well? Your concerns has been addressed we now have a source for it, so do you have any other objections?Slatersteven (talk) 10:19, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

message: The best sources on Austin are Barker and Cantrell. Barker wrote in the 1920s and it does not probe Austin as a person. Cantrell is better on personal details. The writing in the Early Life section is choppy and uses some sketchy citations. I propose a total rewrite of this section based on Cantrell. Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 18:04, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Instead of "300 families and their slaves," I suggest something like "300 white families and the black people they enslaved." Christafrench (talk) 16:59, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it racist? Slatersteven (talk) 17:09, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

text: I don't see how the proposed rephrasing changes the meaning and only serves to make it wordy.
Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 20:59, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening bio a bit racist 

message: The Transylvania university Wikipedia page states he did not, and that he just obtained a certificate after dropping out in 1810 that he conducted himself well. Can we clarify on this? 68.95.59.151 (talk) 04:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect the Wikipedia page does not list everyone who ever graduated. Slatersteven (talk) 09:46, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did he graduate from Transylvania? 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: Not sure if Stephen F. Austin was born in Virgin or Connecticut, but he did attend school and graduate from Bacon Academy in Colchester CT
https://www.colchesterhistory.org/colchester-history/old-bacon-academy/ Littlewellknowfacts (talk) 17:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth Place