Talk:Social norm

message: I reorganized and edited massive portions of the prior article for a graduate class project and as part of the American Psychological Science Wikipedia Initiative.  Because social psychology explores norms as well, I added more research and made the definitions a bit more widely applicable.  I will continue over the next few weeks to incorporate more psychology links and graphics when possible.  I have attempted to uphold all Wiki policies while editing, although large portions were rewritten to flow better or incorporate more research.   04:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Class Project

message: This article makes a very poor attempt at trying to explain the use of norms in sociology and there are no references. Who has used the term 'norms' in sociology and why? --CJ 15:13, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Hey.  Could yall take a look at the cultural norm article and see if redirecting here, with or without a merge, would be appropriate?  The Literate Engineer 19:43, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Norm smerge? 

message: Merger? I think a better solution would be to convert convention (norm) into a dab page.All the single sentence definitions from that page should either be thrown away or embedded into relevant specialist pages. David91 16:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is absolutely wrong to merge the pages Convention (norm) and Norm (sociology), especially because conventions have a large, autonomous and important discussion in philosophy, which forbids that they are viewed exclusively from a sociological standpoint!! Velho 18:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree with the merge, a convention in the sciences are spefic things that are NOT simply norms - and definately not social norms. Fresheneesz 23:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I also disagree with the merger in the direction presently proposed. The article Convention (norm) seems to have a broader scope than this one. The merger should be in the opposite direction. FilipeS 22:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: The article is presently expressed in terms of "ego" and "alter". I have never seen these terms used in a similar context, and neither word appears in the article Sociology. "Ego" appears only once in Social psychology (sociology). I suggest that this ego/alter framework be eliminated from the structure-level of the article. At present, the top level begins with
*Overview
**1.1 Actions of Ego
**1.2 Ego’s Reactions to Actions of Alter
**1.3 Negotiations between ego and alter
This cannot be NPOV. Harold f (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this article really representative of sociology?

message: It seems that the page is being used to summarize work on social norms generally, and not work that is completely within the sociological academic world. I actually think this is a move in the right direction, as social norms are studied in a raft of different areas. Given the overlap it would make sense for the work to come together here. Should we therefore rename the page “Norms (social)”? Andrew (talk) 00:00, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential Rename

message: I just deleted this text:
::For example, the Jewish faith harbors many restrictions concerning the consumption of pork. These restrictions are a result of individuals associating pork with the disease trichinosis and changing their dietary habits accordingly. This practice and others like it become normative and therefore continue even when the original threat of disease is no longer evident.
I, being Jewish am more or less outraged by the fact that this individual could just add this to a Wikipedia article without any valid sources or citations to support his claim and I highly doubt he could either.  It's bordering on ignorance and stereotyping, especially since there's alot of other animals that don't fall under the laws of Kashrut and for that matter I think the prohibition of eating pork (or camel, hare, alligator and various other wild game) greatly predates any knowledge in the medical field of trichinosis and it certainly is not incorporated into Judaic Law based on such an asinine, anachronistic reason as this. It's like saying people go to pray in a Church, Synagogue or Mosque or any other house of worship because it was associated with being harbored from the toxic fumes of factories during the Industrial Revolution (or something similar thereof) and ever since has been part of the ritual routine.
Ignorance and outlandish claims have no place in Wikipedia or any Encyclopedia, digital or printed.
-Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 01:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the basis for this? 

message: I refer to the following part:
::For a simple example, driving is common throughout the world, but in some countries people drive on the right and in other countries people drive on the left (see coordination game).
Driving on the left or right side is restricted by law, not norms. Using game theory to analyze this seems far-fetched, no?
Seriousj (talk) 02:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not making sense 

message: This article is written entirely in second person and assumes the reader is an average american with no mental disorders such as autism. 24.22.117.251 (talk) 23:26, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, replaced it with 24.22.117.251 (talk) 17:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Globalize 

message: I was looking for a page that discusses social customs.  I typed "social custom" into the search box, and it redirected to this page.  I'm looking for links and information about the many different types of social customs, not the norm.  Why the redirect?
If this is not the correct page to ask this questions, please say so.  Kathyfeller (talk) 10:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the Custom disambiguation page instead. --Jotamar (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does Social Custom redirect to this page? 

message: It would be helpful to include a section on the emergence of norms.  Christine Horne wrote a piece that should be helpful.
Horne, Christine. 2005. "Sex and Sanctioning: Evaluating Two Theories of Norm Emergence" in Social Norms, ed. Michael Hechtor and Karl-Dieter Opp. Russell Sage Foundation: New York.
http://books.google.com/books?id=DZFdIA2BfTIC&lpg=PA305&ots=4XL5jmuWFc&dq=norm%20emergence&lr&pg=PA305#v=onepage&q=norm%20emergence&f=false  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filthycleo (talk • contribs) 00:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emergence of Norms 

message: Adding to the Norm (Social) Wikipedia Page Outline
My proposition in changing this article is going into detail explanation on many of these sub categories such as expanding the Game Theory, the psychology of the social norm as explained by scholars, and the defiance of the social norm in terms of culture. Each of these subtopics will be deeply researched through the use of novels by research. Adding in only the un-biased, straight forward information will then allow for the article itself be able to be understood easier, as well as have more background on the intricacy that is the Social Norm as well as its importance in society. I plan to add sentences if not paragraphs to some of the subtopics that will further the research and information already provided. Listed below is the bibliography I so far will be using. Please provide feedback with any help and or comments regarding my plans of change!
Bibliography to be used:
*Hechter, Michael, and Karl-Dieter Opp, eds.. Social Norms. Ed. Michael Hechter and Karl-Dieter Opp. Russell Sage Foundation, 2001. Web...
*Dobbert, Duane, and Mackey, Thomas, eds. Deviance : Theories on Behaviors That Defy Social Norms. Westport, CT, USA: Praeger, 2015. ProQuest ebrary. Web. 16 February 2016.
*Posner, Eric A. Law and Social Norms. Cambridge, MA: Harvard UP, 2000. Print.
*Greenspan, Patricia S. Practical Guilt: Moral Dilemmas, Emotions, and Social Norms. New York: Oxford UP, 1995. Print.
Stephh alonso (talk) 02:24, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi , I think that this is an exceptional bibliography.  One idea you might consider is to go to a basic introduction to sociology textbook and take a look at their section on norms to find some of the readings that they cite.  But this is a great start. Alfgarciamora (talk) 22:05, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephh alonso class project

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thread_title:  Dr. Duffy's comment on this article 

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thread_title:  Dr. Camera's comment on this article 

message: Recently, very substantial edits starting from April 17. have shifted the focus of the article heavily. The article, especially the opening section, now focuses heavily on accounts of norms from the field of international relations and political theory, relying especially on a specific author Martha Finnemore. Some of the newly added points are also repeated in different sections of the article. I suggest that the opening section of article is revised back to it's old form (March 30. version), and that recently added insights are relegated to their respective subsections in a much more concise form, and only as far as they concern social norms proper. My reasonings are below:
First, for the most part, it is not clear that all of the discussion on norms in the field of international relations concerns "social norms" to begin with, but "norms" in a more general sense. For example, the articles by Jeffrey W. Legro (1997) and Richard K. Herrmann & Vaughn P. Shannon (2001) do not mention the term "social norm" even once. As such, it is not clear that the talk about "regulative" and "constitutive" norms and "logic of consequences" and "logic of appropriateness" concern social norms, as they are defined in the very first sentence of the article. Therefore, mentioning them in the opening paragraphs of the article is not warranted.
Second, the revisions to subsections "Emergence and transmission" and "Types" rely heavily on two sources both featuring the author Martha Finnemore. To start, I don't understand why work that is predominantly about international relations is featured this heavily in an article about social norms. I do not believe that her view of what social norms are about is as representative of wider use of the concept in social sciences as the revisions make it seem like. While I am symphatetic to the inclusion of a subsection about how norms are conceived in political theory, (as long as they concern social norms, not just any norms simpliciter), I do not believe that her views should be so heavily represented in this article. Also, the same points about her views are repeated in different parts of the article.
Third, social norms are heavily featured as a concept in social sciences, especially sociology and social psychology. I believe this should be represented in the article. The previous version of the opening section had a rather nice albeit a bit convoluted introduction of how social norms are conceived in the aforementioned fields. These have largely been replaced by the sources mentioned above, and as a result, this wikipedia article about social norms is now centered around "norms as understood in the field of international relations". The old opening section should be returned. – User:128.214.215.132
: The content is all about "social norms" whether the sources say so specifically or not. The old lead was convoluted and extremely vague whereas I feel that the new lead is much more streamlined, clear and understandable to readers. The content is sourced to extremely influential and well-cited research, so I'm skeptical that the content over-emphasizes a minor view or amounts to a WP:FRINGE perspective on norms. I have no opposition to adding more content from sociology and social psychology, and if any propositions are made to change the body or lead, I'm perfectly willing to change content. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unwarranted shift of focus to "international norms" in recent edits 

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