Talk:Union Army

message: This article needs fixing badly... appears highly partisan
1. The Draft Riots (7/13-7/16/1863) did not take place during the Battle of Gettysburg (7/1-7/3/1863)
2. By far, most of the dead were rioters and bystanders.  Reference: Armies of the Streets.
3. No Union army units from the Army of the Potomac were sent to NYC to quell the riots. None, zero, nada. Several NY militia regiments temporarily sent to Pennsylvania and Maryland were returned to the city along with two regiments from Washington, DC.  They arrived after most of the mayhem had settled down and were at most engaged in some light skirmishing with citizens who didn't want a Buffalo in town... it was almost immediately sent home to Buffalo.  Reference: Armies of the Streets, Union and NY records of unit deployments.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.43.55 (talk) 02:00, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft Riots Problems in this article 

message: This section currently has one citation which only supports the information preceding it. (citation 9, " Eicher, pp. 37–38.") 
Besides putting a "citation needed" tag on every following paragraph, is there a better option?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lontano1 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaders 

message: There is no reference cited for the starting "active" date of the Union Army of February 28, 1861 in the infobox. The date of formation or beginning active date is not mentioned in the text of the article. I have found no support for this date in some quick research. I plan to research this a little further but I don't see how the "Union Army" could possibly have existed or been referred to any earlier than Lincoln's call for volunteers on April 15, 1861, or perhaps a little later with the formal formation of the first volunteer regiments or some general order of organization. Before that, only the United States Army, which is to say the small Regular Army, was in existence. I propose to remove this infobox item if no support for it can be found and cited because it seems to me to be unsupportable.  Thoughts? Donner60 (talk) 09:35, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm awake from my books this week so I can't do the sort of research I'd like to do right now but I can't think of a good rationale for that date so I agree with removal for now. And trimming the command dates for Scott and Grant to only include the years the Union Army was active.  A secondary question - I can't think of anything I've read that indicated that Battle Hymn was an official marching song, and there were other popular marching songs. I'm not entirely convinced that it should be in the infobox. Hog Farm  Talk 12:40, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. I was looking at the article for a particular fact and did not read the whole article. I would not be surprise if there are other questionable entries, problems or mistakes in this article. Donner60 (talk) 22:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is my opinion but if pressed I can probably find sources for it: the Union Army only happens in retrospect, when written about AFTER the war. The Official Record will back me up on this point. There was no Union Army during the Civil War, not as a set of units called the "Union Army". I know several here have seen me write this: the north had the U.S. Army, which consisted of regular army units AND included volunteer state or militia units. I can't imagine where the February 28 date comes from. On 28 Feb, Buchanan was still president. If I were to pick a date as most likely, I would choose the May 17 commission roster of U.S. Army generals which lists general officers in seniority order as of that date, and for the first time separates the generals U.S.A. from the generals U.S.V. Some of the men listed, Banks, for instance, were technically civilians until that list was published. To my knowledge this is the first time in the conflict where volunteer commands were led by commissioned general officers. Boatner's CW Dictionary uses this date relentlessly as the beginning of virtually every Federal general commission. Scott, Wool and Harney were already generals, Twiggs was dismissed, Sumner was raised to brigadier to date from March 13. Everybody else got rank on May 17, after the Senate confirmed the nominees of May 13. BusterD (talk) 03:08, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The more I look at this, the more I see issues ... I can't get  to square well with the table, and I'm a bit concerned that the Canadian and French Canadian inclusions in that table may be at least partially duplicating each other, although that information has been there (in a somewhat different form) since 2004.  The administration and issues section seems quite bloated, with some information probably being better off in the subarticles.  I also think that the motivations section can be improved, with a better discussion of how it shifted from being an army to preserve the Union to an army for freedom. (I remember Donald L. Miller's work on Vicksburg hitting on this a bit, as well as several other books I've read).  I don't have much of the sourcing used here, and I'm not sure that much of what I have would be all that useful, as my personal library is pretty skewed towards Trans-Mississippi/Western theater. Hog Farm  Talk 03:46, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Boatner (under "Union Army") gave a date of 22 July 1861 when Congress authorized a volunteer army of 500,000 soldiers. Note, however, that is one day after the First Battle of Bull Run. On 15 April, Lincoln asked for 75,000 3-month militia, followed by a 3 May call for 42,000 3-year volunteers and 22,700 regulars. So 15 April 1861 may be a more accurate date. There is really no definitive date. Djmaschek (talk) 04:13, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question the "Date Active" 

message: There is a list in the article about the alleged ethnic composition of Union enlistments, some of the numbers are supported by sources, but the percentage doesn't seem to be, in particular, the claim that only 45,4% of the Union Army were American-born whites seems dubious, is there any source to support it? I think the list should be removed until good sources are provided. 2804:248:FB83:F400:D4CB:241F:B845:3FA8 (talk) 19:24, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic composition