Talk:Voyage of the Damned (Doctor Who)

message: So is this based, or at least influenced, by the Douglas Adams book/game? Kuralyov (talk) 04:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't know until it airs.  — Edokter • Talk •  12:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Somehow, I really doubt that it will be. StuartDD contributions 12:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, it was definitely inspired by Starship Titanic, though the plot and execution were somewhat different. --Veratien (talk) 08:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

text: If there was inspiration taken from Starship Titanic, you'd figure they'd have inserted at least one Douglas Adams in-joke.  Did anyone spot one?  I didn't.  --Nomad Of Norad (talk) 03:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Among the numbers the Doctor uses to try to trigger the Hosts' override protocol is "42." Pat Payne (talk) 22:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The override code for the angels was 'One', which was also the super secret access code for the Starship Titanic website a while back. Not to mention the ship crashing into the TARDIS, which is essentially The Doctor's 'house'. --71.226.104.94 (talk) 19:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Starship Titanic

message: Is there any information on a Canadian broadcast? The past two years have seen the Christmas special aired by the CBC on Boxing Day, but there's nothing on the CBC Website's schedule for the day. Is CBC even going to be airing it, or are us Canucks out of luck?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.26.95 (talk) 22:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Airing? 

message: the episode has ended over here in europe, can we add the plot now?--Lerdthenerd (talk) 20:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes you can add the plot.  Also, does anyone know when the semi pretection ends? StuartDD contributions 20:21, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  episode has aired 

message: "This episode marks the first time in Doctor Who history that blood has been shown as a result of injury, after Frame was shot." - This isn't true. From what I recall there's blood on the Fifth Doctor before his regeneration into Sixth. Please check that and remove this if its true.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.1.245.54 (talk) 10:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just dirt, I think, but there's a considerable amount of blood in State of Decay at least. I've changed the note.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.48.236 (talk) 11:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's definitely blood in Torchwood (for example Jack being shot), and in past Doctor Who serials, not sure about the new series but I think in Empty CHild/Doctor Dances they have blood on one of the patients. Is it really a noteworthy piece of information though? It seems a bit pointless to me NIKKKIN (talk) 12:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's certainly notable if it's true. It's pretty incredible to think that the show, frequently criticized in the past for its violent and horrifying situations, has gone almost 45 years (minus the dry years) without showing a drop of blood until now. -Father Inire (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't 45 years, it's 3 years. They have shown blood in the old series NIKKKIN (talk) 12:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I misread. Also, the claim is not even true for the new series - blood was shown in "The Christmas Invasion". I've removed the whole item. -Father Inire (talk) 12:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misinformation? 

message: Anyone noticed the Doctor referring to himself as "Passenger 57" near 05:00? Should that go to Outside references? --Toredid (talk) 15:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the same thing. I'd say it should certainly be added, it seemed to be quite an obvious reference the first time I heard it. DigitalAvatar (talk) 13:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passenger 57 

message: It is the third Christmas special of the revived Doctor Who series by Russell T. Davies, and the first episode to be made available for free on the internet by the BBC iPlayer service.
Where is a source for that? The BBC iPlayer has most BBC shows available after they've been broadcast, such as Doctor Who season 2 and 3 which I just watched the other week. To say this is the first one is incorrect. carocat (talk) 17:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's certainly the first non-repeat to be made available on iPlayer. --Veratien (talk) 08:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC iPlayer 

message: What's the point of noting that Kylie Minogue performed alongside Tom Baker in a non-Who related production? Seems like 'one step removed' to me, and I think it should be deleted. Martpol (talk) 19:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and I've removed it. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast notes 

message: When the Doctor says, "I am the Doctor, from the planet Gallifrey, in the constellation of Kasterborous, and I'm going to save your lives and six billion people on earth", or whatever his exact words were, this is surely a nod to Highlander?
But, even more obviously, the whole plot was a clear nod to The Poseidon Adventure. Even down to some of the characters, like Foon, the apparently comical fat woman who later sacrifices herself to save others. TharkunColl (talk) 16:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More cultural references

message: Why does the Synopsis section keep being removed? All other story articles have one - why not "Voyage of the Damned"? Wolf of Fenric (talk) 20:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Synopsis

message: the story arc was mentioned somewhere in this episode reportedly
did anyone spot it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.10.232 (talk) 18:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't.  It's a bit pointless to speculate about what the arc is. StuartDD contributions 22:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We won't know what it is until it's been in at least two episodes. anemone│projectors 22:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should probably not put any new arcs on pages until its confirmed what the arc is, though I believe it will be the Doctor being shown with a god-like status. Anyway, that theory is pure speculation so it should probably be left....for now. Xdt (talk) 00:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story Arc 

message: Sorry, but the prose is terrible. 
For example:
*"only confessing his status as such to waitress Astrid Peth, who has a desire to travel the stars." as such?
*"Although the special takes place aboard an otherworldly namesake of the famed ocean liner, the RMS Titanic and its sinking was mentioned previously within the series in Robot,[3] The Robots of Death,[4] The Invasion of Time,[5] "Rose"[6] and "The End of the World"[7]. " Although? Why although? I'm not sure this is even relevant.
*"Kylie Minogue was initially reported by The News of the World in April 2007, indicating that she would be playing a "sexy Cyberwoman".[17]" I'm sure this doesn't need an explanation.
*"Filming took part summer of 2007, starting on the scene where the group are accosted by the Host on a bridge, referred internally to as the "strut", to differentiate it from the ship's command center.[16]" Filming occured in summer 2007, starting _with_
*"while Baker, a fan of the series, included aspects in Kylie's tours" Aspects ... of Doctor Who? 'Aspects' sounds funny anyway. 
*You use semicolons way too often throughout when you should use colons.
*"Tim Teeman of The Times however, found that the episode "sucks", " - Sounds stupid, either rephrase it to something like "tim teeman of the times said that the episode 'sucks'" or take it out.
*"The chorus of the song "The Stowaway", which has a particular Celtic feeling." 'particular'?
*"The Mirror found the episode had" - I don't know what's with the overuse of 'found', but it sounds stupid. They haven't _discovered_ anything about the show.
*"The episode also received coverage in Minogue's native Australia, with The Daily Telegraph called the episode the "best ever" Doctor Who episode.[37]"
*composer Murray Gold and arranger Ben Foster make a cameo appearances,"
*Either reference everything in the lead, or nothing. 
*There are a few MoS things that need to be fixed, specifically placing references outside of the periods. For example: "BBC soap EastEnders.[27]." 
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CordeliaHenrietta (talk) 16:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: This article was nominated for good article reassessment to determine whether or not it met the good article criteria and so can be listed as a good article. The fail review was endorsed, and it was recommended that the article be copyedited. Please see the archived discussion for further information.
Further to this, if there were only a few sentences needing to be fixed, I would have done it myself, but there are actually many. One example of bad writing is "She saves the Doctor by ramming Capricorn with a forklift truck, both falling over a precipice to their deaths." So, what, or who fell over the precipice? The semantics make it clear, but the syntax doesn't.
I would be happy to help, and will keep this article on my watchlist for a while, but I'm only a moderately okay copyeditor myself, and you probably need to work with someone better to make this article really shine. I do apologize if this GAR has been a bad experience (particularly in view of my harsh comments!). I am sure it is not fun to be told your prose is weak, and editors of Doctor Who articles have created a lot of great content, that I am sure visitors to Wikipedia really appreciate. But you really need to team up with some editors with excellent writing skills to lift this article to GA and FA level. Try WP:LoCE, try WP:PR, try whatever you can. And really, good luck! Your contributions to Wikipedia are important and valued. Geometry guy 20:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't the article have to comply with manual of style (MoS) before it is sent to WP:LoCE? If so than our only option is is WP:PR until the article complies with WP:MOS, anyway we're doing well with the typos at the moment 3 more have been corrected since the last edit.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 13:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:GAR|Good article reassessment]]

message: Does the image caption really need to include Christain Voice's response to the imagery? That's covered in the article. The caption seems a little long. Wolf of Fenric (talk) 02:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The better the description, the less chance of getting deleted by copyright paranoia. Will (talk) 18:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with both - it's too wordy, but the Christian Voice part is a good rationale for having the pic. I think the part about "after Astrid" is unnecessary, though - I'm going to remove it. --Brian Olsen (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it's the other way round - the latter mentions the picture's place in the plot, while the latter merely notes that a bunch of loonies whinged about it.  MartinMcCann (talk) 22:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It expresses the notability of the scene, though. It's good to have that. Will (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's my point - it's notable due to it's role in the plot.  A bunch of nobodies whinging is barely a greater claim to notability than if I said I particularly liked that bit of the episode. MartinMcCann (talk) 22:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Notability in terms of Wikipedia. And I wouldn't call Christian Voice a "bunch of whinging nobodies" either - they did manage to get the Jerry Springer opera pulled. Will (talk) 23:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Caption

message: I removed the following line from the Music section: "The song is loosely based on the episode, from the captain's point of view regarding the Doctor." This appeared to be a speculative, unsourced statement. I have not seen the episode so it's possible that the captain is a gay character with a romantic interest in the Doctor (wouldn't be the first captain we've seen with such intentions) but all the response I'm seeing regarding the song suggests it's from a female point of view, with additional speculation being that it's from Astrid's point of view or even Rose Tyler's. As I say, the episode might prove me wrong, but if it doesn't, then this statement needs to be sourced otherwise it's speculative even if here's a roaring love scene between the captain and the Doctor (which somehow I doubt). 23skidoo (talk) 12:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Murray indeed said it was from the Captain's POV in Confidential - and come on, Russell T Davies wrote the episode. Will (talk) 13:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say, I think the line should come out, we must have misunderstood it. The Captain never saw or met the Doctor; surely it means that in the song, a (female, hence the voice) captain falls for the Doctor... —TreasuryTag talk contribs 13:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, i'm going to remove it as doesn't make sense.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 13:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Removed.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 14:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done. —TreasuryTag—t—c 14:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Will (talk) 00:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes but the captain never meets The Doctor, he dies after meteors crash into the titanic, which captain do you mean? It can't be him because he is dead! Why has this been re added to the article?--Lerdthenerd (talk) 19:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Gold outright says "it's written from the captain's point of view". The plot can change between the time Gold wrote the song and when they started filming - Astrid wasn't supposed to die in the first draft. Will (talk) 19:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stowaway speculation

message: These citations might be useful to use for the production section of the article:
() and (). Eagle Owl (talk) 15:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Useful citations?

message: I read in the article (and the source attributed to it) that the episode may not be seen until 2009. I find this hard to believe. While negotiations may still be continuing with the BBC, I know we are not a season behind as is stated in the source. Not only has season 3 been broadcast on ABC in Australia, it has also now been released on DVD. I understand that the statement is sourced, however the article source isn't correct about where we are up to.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.6.243 (talk) 02:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian differences?? 

message: "Voyage of the Damned" is an episode of the British science fiction television series Doctor Who. First broadcast on 25 December 2007, it is 72 minutes long and the third Christmas special since the show’s revival in 2005. 
The plot is loosely based on  The Poseidon Adventure  and the narrative continues from the final scene of Last of the Time Lords,  when  a luxury space cruiser called the Titanic breaches the walls of the TARDIS.  The Titanic’s Captain, Hardaker (Geoffrey Palmer) sabotages his ship and The Doctor works with waitress Astrid Peth to prevent an imminent collision with Earth.
The role of Astrid Peth is played by Australian singer and actress Kylie Minogue and this is her only appearance in the series. Executive producer and writer Russell T. Davies described her casting as a "very exceptional case" because he had written the part of Astrid specifically for her.
On its original airdate, "Voyage of the Damned" was watched by 13.31 million viewers, the highest viewing figures for Doctor Who since the 1979 serial City of Death. It was the second most-watched programme of 2007, beaten only by the episode of EastEnders which aired immediately after the episode. Critics' opinions over the episode were divided; the writing and Minogue's performance were both praised and criticised.
GrahamColmTalk 11:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for the Lead 

message: There's another Astrid pic in the actresses article and anoter in the character's article.  I don't know if these should be added or not as this article was worked a lot to be a featured candidate and maybe they were here but removed, but should they be added?  William Ortiz (talk) 10:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Each of those images have their own purposes; Astrid Peth shows the character; Kylie Minogue shows her together with David Tennant. And this article simply shows Kylie. We shouldn't interchange them.  — Edokter • Talk •  10:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Passed. giggy (:O) 23:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Astrid pics 

message: I personally feel that this man has to be credited for providing much of the basic ideas of this episode (even if the show itself did not credit him). It seems like blatant plagerism in some ways. For those who arent familiar with douglas adams Starship titanic please check out the wiki page
--Reballare (talk) 02:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It really is borderline plagiarism, though a Wikipedia article is not the place to complain about it.  However I have added a reference because really the whole idea comes from that game. Mezigue (talk) 12:51, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Douglas Adams 

message: Capricorn says the crash will wipe out the arth, but in turn left, only london is destroyed. 82.25.130.155 (talk) 13:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not noteworthy to state that Capricorn is horrible in arithmetic. DonQuixote (talk) 15:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Should this be added?

message: "Astrid" is an anagram of "Tardis" - surely no accident?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.152.245.155 (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 16:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

text: And "Aliens in London". It's a throwaway gag which serves no relevance to the plot, though, so shouldn't be in a Wikipedia article. Sceptre (talk) 23:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anagram 

message: The fourth doctor said this in The horns of Nimon, ep 2 17"20'And the fifth Doctor said that too in "Four to Doomsday" episode 2.
So he actually said this before.193.48.172.106 (talk) 19:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And "Aliens in London". It's a throwaway gag which serves no relevance to the plot, though, so shouldn't be in a Wikipedia article. Sceptre (talk) 23:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Take me t o your leader 

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