Talk:Carol Ann Duffy

message: Moved to new page to correct spelling of "Carol". Mswake 12:10 Jan 8, 2003 (UTC)
Pls dear i am a poor gentle man who want to be friend to u pls Aniah Dominic (talk) 10:40, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved

message: "Carol Ann Duffy was almost appointed the British Poet Laureate in 1999 (after the death of previous Laureate Ted Hughes), but lost out on the position to Andrew Motion. A Downing Street official said that Prime Minister Tony Blair was 'worried about having a homosexual poet laureate because of how it might play in middle England."
Is this definitely true? There were rumours at the time but it seems a bit unlikely that "a Downing Street official" would have said anything quite so frank, admitting to disgraceful if not illegal bias by a highly image-conscious PM.  Statement would appear to need verifying, attributing and/or toning down. Flapdragon 02:51, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homophobia allegation 

message: "She is one of the few poets in the UK to combine academic integrity with accessibility and popularity."
This may be perfectly true but doesn't seem like NPOV somehow -- who says so? Added a rather pusillanimous little "perhaps" to tone it down. Harry 01:07, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I cut it completely, looked ugly to me, and is pretty much mirrored in the other sourced statements anyway. On the subject of sourcing, I'm uneasy about "According to the Sunday Times…" since we haven't actually got a link to the relevant Sunday Times article itself, and I'm not at all sure of the validity of knittingcircle as a source, especailly a tertiary one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benmachine (talk • contribs) 16:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I have read that she has been awarded an OBE and a CBE. Can anyone verify this?
:OBE in 1995, CBE in 2001, Hon DLitt (Warwick), ditto (Keele), Honorary something-or-other (Dundee),  FRSLit. Prof (Creative Writing School) at Manchester. All that and The World's Wife still makes me laugh out loud. Angus McLellan 00:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OBE and CBE

message: Do we really need this? Guinnog 19:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's necessary.From my layman's point of view, she's not nearly so famous. Maybe it's because they share a surname, and are both homosexual. I guess if a few more people post saying they don't think it's necessary and noone posts otherwise, we could remove it. Kymara 20:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it shd probably be deleted. Once we start disambiguating people whose names aren't even the same where will we stop? Flapdragon 21:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: If all they share is the same last name, I agree:  delete. Kdammers 02:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Guinnog 03:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maureen Duffy disambig

message: Carol Ann Duffy has had some poems put in to the AQA Anthology (). It may be worth including this in the article, and others. I would do it now but I'm supposed to be revising for an English Literature Exam tomorrow! Stwalkerster talk review 18:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AQA Anthology 

message: Surely we can find some interesting pics to liven up the site a bit. Some covers of books? Receiving OBE etc? Spanglej (talk) 23:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: No pics?

message: 'Controversy' is defined as "disagreement, typically when prolonged, public, and heated". The information placed under the section 'Controversies' was not controversial, simply biographical. I therefore moved the information to the Background section of the article. None of the information was changed or deleted - simply relocated.
Controversy sections are for disagreement about 'facts', not about information over which there is no disagreement but about which an editor might not like. For example, it is not controversial that Carol Ann Duffy was passed over for Poet Laureate in 1999 because of her sexuality - it is just a matter of fact. Whether or not an editor (or members of the public at large) likes that decision is of no consequence to the article. 
On the other hand, there are instances where the facts of an event are not clear, and experts are documented to have heated public disagreements about the facts. This is the proper use of a Controversy section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.252.49 (talk) 10:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies 

message: THe career section contains many lines that need to be cited as well as certain adjectives that show either original research or opinion. I have attempted to mark these to help identify lines that need to be referenced or reworded to keep from showing opinion. I don't know enough about the subject to offer any real help, but would be willing to look up sources for some of the more common phrases if needed. Mrathel (talk) 12:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation problems in Career section 

message: According to her university webpage these below are her listed awards and dates -- they do not all tally exactly with those listed on the wiki article.
*• C. Day Lewis Fellowship, 1982 
*• Eric Gregory Award, 1984
*• National Poetry Competition (for ‘Whoever She Was’), 1986 
*• Somerset Maugham Award (for Selling Manhattan), 1988 
*• Dylan Thomas Award, 1989
*• Scottish Arts Council Book Award (for The Other Country), 1990
*• Cholmondeley Award, 1993
*• Scottish Arts Council Book Award (for Mean Time), 1993
*• Forward Poetry Prize: Best Poetry Collection of the Year (for Mean Time), 1993 
*• Whitbread Poetry Award (for Mean Time), 1993
*• Lannan Literary Award (Poetry), 1995
*• OBE, 1995 
*• Signal Poetry Award (for Stopping for Death), 1997 
*• CBE, 2001 
*• T. S. Eliot Prize (for Rapture), 2005 
Perhaps a change is in order using the above citation? Peter morrell 07:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is sourcing, it would be more helpful to have non-partisan sources that confirm these awards.  -- Banjeboi 08:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nearly all these awards are confirmed in the York Notes reference, but with some variations in the dates. I think in some cases a book of poems was published in one year, then an award for it given in a subsequent year. If so we need to sort out which year to use (if not both). SamuelTheGhost (talk) 11:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A Bibliography section should list the year published, an Awards section should list the year the award was given. A couple references that cover all the awards could lead the section ala - Duffy has recieved numerous awards and honors; and add the refs to this intro sentence to the list.  -- Banjeboi 11:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Her awards

message: === L or B? ===
The lead states she is bisexual, but she is in the lesbian writers category. She is on the List of bisexual people, but is listed as L on the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people. Alfred Kinsey (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Tennyson may have been. His father disapproved of his relationship with Hallam. Valetude (talk) 12:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction, it was Hallam's father who disapproved. Valetude (talk) 18:58, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: The lead states she is bisexual, but she is in the lesbian writers category. She is on the List of bisexual people, but is listed as L on the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people. Alfred Kinsey (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  L or B? 

message: Were any of the others closeted? Alfred Kinsey (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Tennyson may have been. His father disapproved of his relationship with Hallam. Valetude (talk) 12:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction, it was Hallam's father who disapproved. Valetude (talk) 18:58, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  First openly LGBT Poet Laureate 

message: I removed this, but Peter put it back:
Duffy was featured in a South Bank Show television special with Melvyn Bragg late on the evening of 6th December 2009 Press Release, South Bank Show, 6 December 2009 and on Monday 7th December 2009 she made the presentation to Glasgow-born artist, Richard Wright (artist), the winner of the 2009 Turner Prize, in a ceremony in London.Charlotte Higgins, Artist Richard Wright strikes gold as winner of this year's Turner prize, The Guardian, 7 December 2009  
I don't think we should start listing when she appears on television, makes a presentation, or cuts a ribbon. SlimVirgin 18:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a full feature on South Bank Show and presenting the Turner Prize are hardly snipping a few ribbons are they!? Many would see them as high points in the blossoming career of an important public figure. Or is that too old fashioned a view? anyway in general your other edits were fine by me, thanks Peter morrell 10:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, those are fair points. And I have no problem with old-fashioned. :) SlimVirgin TALK contribs 20:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent revert 

message: It would be useful to clarify which 15 years were devoted to her ong-term Lesbian relationship and also when her relationship with Peter Benson (author) became established.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 10:25, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology 

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message: A minor point, but the sentence Her poems address issues such as oppression, gender, and violence in accessible language is crying out for an additional comma after the word "violence". 95.123.54.33 (talk) 19:11, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be fixed now. DannyRogers800 (talk) 10:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro