Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sydney/Archive 1

message: In the last meetup, we discussed briefly our concerns with proxying and distributing Wikipedia content in Australia due to weaker free speech laws in Australia.  I was wondering why we don't do something about it?  Something like taking steps towards changing Australian laws to be more Wikipedia friendly.  I don't want to detract Australian Wikipedians from what they do best, which is write good articles - but this is really important and we should at least be doing something minimal.  The most productive action we could take that I could think of is to actually document the status of Australian laws that affect Wikipedia.  This means we could be killing two birds with one stone:
* Expanding knowledge by writing Wikipedia articles.
* Providing the specific information a politically oriented group would need to lobby government on our behalf so that we don't have to get involved in politics.
Newhoggy | Talk 13:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the problem is more fundamental than this. What we really need is an Australian bill of rights. This would guarantee freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. People assume we have these rights in law, but it appears that we don't. Apparently we are the "only common law country without a Bill of Rights". See: NSW Council for Civil Liberties, which basically covers point 2 above about a lobbying group. Point one could perhaps be covered by having a redirect at Australian bill of rights, which could point to Australian bill of rights - lack thereof, which in turn could explain that we don't have one, and explain what one would get us, and provide various links/references (e.g. , , , ). -- All the best, Nickj (t) 23:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia and Australian Law

message: I've created a new template based on teh Melbourne progress box. It's Template:Progress. Just use .
Here's an example:


Ta bu shi da yu 05:07, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made a new template 

message: I'm going to do some reorganinzing at the WPM, and came up with this:
*Geography
**Suburbs and Local Government Areas
**Parks and gardens
**Rivers and waterways
*Government
**Mayors
**Town Halls
*Transport
**Railways
**Tramways ← whoops, how'd that get there! Unless someone wants to do some history writing :-)
**Freeways and highways
*Landmarks
**General landmarks
**Streets
**Buildings and skyscrapers
**Institutions
I'm putting this here to make it easier for you WPS folk to steal it too, if you want :P T.P.K. 08:44, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like a good idea! When I get half a moment I'll try to put this new structure in place! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:10, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Not there =) where do you reckon we should put this? I'm not entirely sure. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:40, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project areas 

message: Hiya, I made a base map of Sydney showing the Local Government Areas. See it here (32K gif) and tell me what you think.  It's unlabelled. Randwicked 10:52, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, that's good! Can we upload this to Wikipedia with the appropriate license? I'm hopeless at graphics... I'll only be able to add feedback to start with. Perhaps we could discuss the colour scheme? :-) - Ta bu shi da yu 15:41, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah you can change the colours if they clash with your desktop. :) The only thing on the base layer are the land and LGA boundaries. Anything else I can add. ANYTHING. I even made a layer showing where the golf courses are (useful!!). I gotta go to bed soon but wait till tomorrow and I can upload a B&W  labeled starter and we can tweak it from there. -Randwicked 15:57, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: LGA base map

message: I've created Template:Sydney tasks. Someone add a few more and check that what I've included are actually important tasks. It also needs some events added, as I was racking my brain and couldn't think of any. Now I can only assume that Sydney has a festival every week for every obscure little thing, so someone please add a few. And yes, the Mardi Gras article is done, so it doesn't count :P
T.P.K. 14:23, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Sydney tasks 

message: I've created the Wikipedia:Australian wikipedians' notice board/WikiProjects page for all your cross-project discussion needs. T.P.K. 14:34, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool! I've placed it on the front page... hey, how do you put a purge link in? - Ta bu shi da yu 14:45, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: As in the purge link at the top of the notice board page? Use "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Page_name&action=purge" What's it for? T.P.K. 15:55, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can see, to help reduce load on the server a cache of the rendered page is created for each page on Wikipedia. The cache seems to only clear when a change is made to the page itself and a rerender of the page is required. This means that any "Todo" or templates with data that changes frequently won't be updated in the page that is held in cache, because it isn't the page that contains the template that's changing - only the template itself. Hence the need for a purge cache link. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:06, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross-project discussions 

message: See Wikipedia:Australian wikipedians' notice board#Wikiproject Sydney strategy for info on a possible meetup of wikipedians in sydney. The bellman 12:54, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meetup 

message: i disagree with moving all the various lga's to the various "municipality", "shire" links etc.  it makes serendiptious links more difficult, and doesn't really achieve much.  if a suburb and an lga share the same name, they most often can easily be discussed in the same article.  in the rare case that a suburb article has enough material that it needs to be split off from the main lga article (or vice-versa), we can address it then, but otherwise moving the articles just fragments the sydney information and makes it less likely people will find the article in question (for example mosman vs Municipality of Mosman, i don't think many people would know that's a municipality rather than a council).  until we sort out a policy, i'm going to fix the template:sydney regions template to point to the current suburb articles, so that the lga's can be found. clarkk 09:26, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we need to name the articles accurately. Redirects will work just as well, IMO. Though if we aren't going to split up the two articles into suburb/municipality articles, then I would say you are 100% correct. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:59, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: splitting them up is OK in some cases, but not all.  i also think we shouldn't disambigate beyond the necessary, because it makes serendiptious links more difficult and makes it more likely that we'll have double redirects, and it breaks the naming conventions that articles should be at the most common name (assumming that it doesn't need to be disambiguated).  it's the reason we have the sydney article at Sydney not Sydney, New South Wales.  i also think that it's silly to disambiguate places like Wagga Wagga, when there's only one in australia, let alone the world.  the americans have gone gung-ho on this, by having Chicago redirect to Chicago, Illinois, which is, frankly, silly, and i wouldn't like to see this on the australian articles.  major cities/suburbs/lga's that are unique (like wagga wagga) should be left at the simplest name. clarkk 13:40, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: i wrote out on my thoughts on these issues a while back on talk:list of Sydney suburbs#naming conventions. clarkk 13:48, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: makes sense if there isn't enough info on the "city of..." article to justify a separate one.  although in the case of sydney, there is enough material (and scope for expansion) for the City of Sydney article to be different to the Sydney one. clarkk 13:40, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  local government areas vs suburbs 

message: Gday all. After I got a bit bored of Wikipedia, I was very suprised that Ta bu shi da yu sent me a message inviting me to join this Sydney WikiProject. I'm very interested to see what we can do, and seeing the Melbourne one I think we have a lot of work to do.
I just had a few ideas that I thought I might want to share:
# Schools? Having just finished school at St Ignatius College, I am interested in perhaps creating articles based on Sydney's famous schools, most probably starting with the GPS ones. However seeing some comments on other boards about the creation of school articles (eg that you are just talking up your own, and that the information itself is pointless) I am wondering if I should bother.
# I couldn't find anything related to the Sydney Club Rugby competition. And what about other local sporting events (as opposed to the NRL or ARL that are more national based)
# I'm also going to catergorise the landmarks section, however my current job is to at least start my own suburbs article (Lane Cove)
Jimm dodd 10:41, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
* I was thinking that we should perhaps place schools into the local suburb article. If the information gets a bit much for the article, we should just add it to something like Strathfield schools. Then if this gets too much for the article, then we could add them to it's own page. The only thing would be to make sure that if it gets voted to VfD - which it will - that we advertise the fact on WP:AWNB and plead with everyone to vote keep. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:42, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Few Thoughts 

message: I know there's a list of requested photographs on the Australian's wikipedia noticeboard already, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to list photographs you would like in relation to WikiProject Sydney here.
* Redfern railway station has a photo now -- Jasabella 09:51, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph requests 

message: Discussion on the naming of stub templates relating to this and other Australian city wikiprojects is in progress at WP:WSS/P#Australian cities. Feel free to comment. Grutness...wha? 01:41, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub templates

message: The changeover to the new stub types is complete. The change for Sydney is that instead of  leading to , there is now  leading to . This allows for parks, rivers, hills, and any other geographic features relating to the city to also go into this category. There is also now a , for places in the state but not in Sydney.
A few other minor points: 
*Buildings in Sydney should be stubbed with ;
*Streets in Sydney should be double-stubbed with  and ;
*Railway-related stubs in Sydney should be stubbed with 
If you think a separate  (for non-geographical items like the buildings and railway items mentioned above) would be worthwhile, feel free to propose it at WP:WSS/P. Given that there's an active wikiproject, I doubt there'd be any objection at all to one.
We at WP:WSS hope these changes aren't inconvenient, and will help your project! Grutness...wha? 06:52, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: I've just started working again on Beacon Hill and have decided to add in street names as well. I also have a collection of photographs which I started this year which are located off site. I may add them as part of the street articles at the very least. Has there been any thought of adding content down to the street level. I have followed the nomenclature - Suburb, State, Street. The first is Reynolds Crescent. Peter Konnecke
I since decided that this might not be such a good way to go and as such the street pages are to be deleted. Peter Konnecke 03:22, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Street Names 

message: The infobox, which adopted from this template, by User:JROBBO is done well for the information, and some parameters are added which are specific to Sydney railway stations, it's good anyway and it maybe have some improvement to the template. :-) --Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 20:00, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Some station that do not have photos will be fall back to use the CityRail logo. However when the logo is enlarged, the logo will become ugly. So we can use the SVG version of the logo instead using the pixel version such as GIF, JPG or PNG. To make a SVG file, mostly we can search from the official website, and search its publications (mostly would have the PDF file which have a vector version of the logo). Then copy that symbol(s) into the software that supports SVG, then save and upload that. And after this, we can use a very large size of the logo without making that become ugly. :) --Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 11:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Sydney railway Stations infobox 

message: * created some template for a userbox accessible by   .Blnguyen 00:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: Just a note on conventions for naming suburbs within Australia. I work in the geosciences industry and at one point ended up building a complete suburb/postcode database for Australia (which is unfornately copyright and not mine to distribute). A couple of points:
* Duplicate suburb names exist interstate. Take Richmond for instance which exists in all Autralian states except for Northern Territory, Australian Capital Territory, and Western Australia. Therefore, the convention of Suburb, State is critical.
* Occasionally, suburbs have the same name intra-state, and can only be distinguished by postcode. Most often one is a suburb and the other is a rural locality, but there are important exceptions, such as Balmoral in Sydney and Balmoral, 2283 which is just south of Toronto near Lake Macquarie. (Anyone with a Newcastle street directory can find this.) To further confuse the issue, Sydney's Balmoral is actually a sub-locality within Mosman and therefore you won't find it if you do a postcode lookup on the Australia Post website.
My recommendations would be to continue with the current Suburb, State trend that is already established but for disambiguation due to the above causes, add the LGA in brackets, e.g. Suburb, State (LGA). I have created an example: Balmoral, New South Wales (Lake Macquarie).
I believe that using LGA for disambiguation is a more robust solution than postcode, since Australia Post updates its postcodes every 2 months. Most will never change, of course, but an LGA change is probably even less likely than a postcode change (says a resident of the city formerly known as South Sydney!).
See also my attempt at disambiguation in the original Balmoral, New South Wales article.
Gregwmay 02:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That all sounds good to me! In the case of the same name in different states, we tend to make the page either a disambig, or redirect to a disambing (e.g. Richmond, Australia redirects to the Richmond disambiguation page). The idea of adding the LGA also seems good, such as the Balmoral example you give. I've updated Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sydney/Suburbs#Exceptions accordingly, but please feel to rephrase or update if it needs it. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 07:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks perfect! Gregwmay 10:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suburb title conventions - duplication of names 

message: Hi, would someone from this WikiProject please create and replace the unfree image on ANZAC Bridge. Thanks. --nixie 12:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I should be able to get around to this next week. If someone is already working on it, please let me know! Gregwmay 02:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

text: New images taken and replaced. Gregwmay 22:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image request

message: Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Titoxd(?!? - help us) 18:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team|Wikipedia Version 1.0 Editorial Team]] cooperation 

message: On the CityRail page, we have a very bad map that is now out of date. I can't draw something that complicated, so I'd love someone to draw another one with all the suburban stations on it, and a second map showing the intercity lines. Use my talk page if you need all the line colours - as they should reflect the colours we have been using in the text. The official maps are found [here]. (JROBBO 22:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good news - we have a person willing to do this - Voyager is making a map for us (he made the Hong Kong MTR maps here. (JROBBO 06:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CityRail Map Replacement 

message: What about adding the altitude of each railway station (in metres) to the template, right under the distance from Central?  I've got a book that has the altitude for most stations (see West Ryde article for a reference).  These altitudes are relative to sea level.  (Eg. Central's country platforms have a distance of 0.000km and an altitude of 20.4m) John Dalton 21:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Railway Station Altitude/Elevation?

message: If we are going to get anywhere with the CityRail stations pages (at List of Sydney railway stations, we need some pictures of the stations. We have a fair bit of the Northern Line, the Upper Carlingford Line, and the City covered but not much apart from that. There are obviously people on WP here from all over Sydney, so even if people can provide a picture or two of your local railway station that would be great (light rail or monorail stops are good if you live around there as well.) There's a category at Commons for CityRail Sydney for non-station photos and "Train stations in Sydney" for station photos - you can upload them there. Can anyone help out here? Thanks to all who have helped so far. (JROBBO 13:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Railway Station Pictures

message: I noticed that you're looking to expand and improve the article about UNSW, I'll be happy to do so and provide some pictures at the same time. They are however, film photos so the quality will not be off the chart, it will be acceptable though. Nebuchanezzar 12:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want pictures I'll take whatever you want around UNSW. I'll get them them on my new camera (it's got good resolution e.g. :Image:Sydney skyline.jpg) and I'm always there as I'm a full time student of UNSW. Also, I'm very involved in campus community there so I can write (or find someone who knows) about current events, clubs, community activities etc. It would be really good to get this up to FA. I look forward to helping out. Witty lama 13:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A page for this project has been set up at User:Witty lama/Sandbox and is currently taking ideas, references, photo requests, suggested layouts... Cheers, Witty lama 15:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of New South Wales 

message: I have a problem with the color scheme for the intercity lines on the neighboring stations box: especially the Blue Mountains Line. It's too hard to read the name of the line and having the coloured background behind the station, in my opinion, makes it look unbalanced. 


Bell

Lithgow


Originally when deciding to distinguish the intercity lines from the suburban lines I designed it so the station links had the grey behind them to make it easier to 'blend' in with the white page background:


Campbelltown

Menangle Park


When it got changed I don't think it got fully thought through and I don't think the current look is the best one. I'd like to see some discussion just like the station infobox about what would look best. -- Harryboyles 13:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The second box is wrong - Except for the Hunter Line, the CityRail website has the line in grey and the stations in that colour. I preferred the original way (the same as the suburban lines), but that second box just looks bad. (JROBBO 10:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How does it look bad? You might prefer it that way but the fact remains that the Blue Mountains line link is darn near impossible to read. This has to be fixed because yellow on light gray looks so bad. Harryboyles 10:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok - fair enough. I have good eyesight so I don't find reading that a problem - it is harder to read though on the grey than on the white in some of the other boxes. I propose we scrap both of these and look for another solution. So... how about this one? This includes the grey, the line colour, and it's easy to read - we'll need to change some variables on some lines, but that's fine. I've put a suburban box below to show how it fits in:


Bell

Lithgow


Marulan

terminus



Comments anyone? (JROBBO 01:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Much better. I like it. It looks even better on the actual pages than here. Harryboyles 10:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CityRail Neighboring Stations - Intercity Lines 

message: I think we should have some articles on the rapid bus transitways proposed and built for Sydney. I've done a short article on the Liverpool-Parramatta T-way (called the "Liverpool-Parramatta Rapid Bus Transitway"). Maybe someone can do one on the North West T-way which is under construction (between Blacktown and Parklea, and Parramatta and Rouse Hill)? (JROBBO 08:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  T-Ways 

message: There is some discussion going on at Template talk:Sydney regions concerning whether Lower North Shore and Upper North Shore should be included on the template. Please add your opinions to the discussion. JPD (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regions template 

message: ===Politics===
I've noticed that some suburb articles contain election results.  Do other people think election results really belong in suburb articles?
Wouldn't it be better to create a separate article for each electorate?  The electorate article would contain electoral results leaving each suburb to link to its respective electorates.  The Ermington article (which I look after) is an example of what I mean. (Don't have an article for the state electorate yet.)
* It is technically correct.  Electorates and suburbs are different things, deserving separate articles.  It might be argued that the booth results for a particular suburb go into its article, but, for example, the electoral results for Ermington, Paramatta, Dundas (and every other suburb in the Parramatta electorate) hardly belong in an article about Rydalmere.
* It avoids duplicating electoral results across multiple suburb articles (pretty well every electorate contains multiple suburbs)
* It makes updating the electoral results easier, due to the lack of duplication.
* It provides a logical place to keep a record of past electoral results.
* It makes it easier to clearly provide information an all three levels of elections: Federal, State and Local.
Is there a consensus on this?
John Dalton 23:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong keep - You can actually differentiate different polling  booths for a particular suburb. These should stay, so long as the polling booths for the suburb, not the electorate are put in (as in the Summer Hill article). (JROBBO 05:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong keep - The fact that it is an obsession doesn't make it unworthy of a WP article. The median housing price is a measure of what the average or middle housing price in an area is. It doesn't take into account everything, but this isn't the ABS site - it's an encyclopaedic-type article which is going to give a good indicator of the suburb's information. The median housing price should stay. Definitely. (JROBBO 05:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics and House Prices in Suburb Articles

message: I've noticed that some suburb articles contain election results.  Do other people think election results really belong in suburb articles?
Wouldn't it be better to create a separate article for each electorate?  The electorate article would contain electoral results leaving each suburb to link to its respective electorates.  The Ermington article (which I look after) is an example of what I mean. (Don't have an article for the state electorate yet.)
* It is technically correct.  Electorates and suburbs are different things, deserving separate articles.  It might be argued that the booth results for a particular suburb go into its article, but, for example, the electoral results for Ermington, Paramatta, Dundas (and every other suburb in the Parramatta electorate) hardly belong in an article about Rydalmere.
* It avoids duplicating electoral results across multiple suburb articles (pretty well every electorate contains multiple suburbs)
* It makes updating the electoral results easier, due to the lack of duplication.
* It provides a logical place to keep a record of past electoral results.
* It makes it easier to clearly provide information an all three levels of elections: Federal, State and Local.
Is there a consensus on this?
John Dalton 23:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong keep - You can actually differentiate different polling  booths for a particular suburb. These should stay, so long as the polling booths for the suburb, not the electorate are put in (as in the Summer Hill article). (JROBBO 05:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics

message: What does the median house price contribute to a wikipedia suburb article?
It doesn't idicate how much a house in that suburb will cost.  Anyone who has bought real estate will tell you that price is determined by the individual property, not a suburb median.  A typical suburb will have 'good' areas and 'bad' areas and have a wide range of house prices.  On top of that many (most??) houses in each suburb only come to market every few decades so fall outside measures such as an annual median.
There is no timely official (government) reporting of suburb house prices.  What statistics there are are incomplete, gathered by a drone from a company ringing around real estate agents.  The real estate agents report whatever price they feel like and are free to not report properties as they see fit.
House price statitics are retrospective.  They lag the market by a couple of years.  Sydney prices can swing up or down by double digit percentages in this time.  It is impossible to extrapolate current house prices based on past medians.
If it were possible, real estate speculators would be out of business.
A "median price" is a real estate marketing tool, used by real estate agents to drum up the cost of lower priced properties or add to snob value.
Summary: Median real estate prices don't contribute any useful information to a suburb article and should be deleted.  They definitely don't deserve the status of being in the info box.
In my opinion Sydneysider's obsession with real estate prices is a transient obsession which will probably die with the real estate boom
Do others think median prices should go or stay?
John Dalton 23:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong keep - The fact that it is an obsession doesn't make it unworthy of a WP article. The median housing price is a measure of what the average or middle housing price in an area is. It doesn't take into account everything, but this isn't the ABS site - it's an encyclopaedic-type article which is going to give a good indicator of the suburb's information. The median housing price should stay. Definitely. (JROBBO 05:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: House Prices

message: On the station pages the wording at the start goes e.g. Morisset is a railway station located near... Morisset isn't a railway station in every sense of the word, it is a suburb. My point is the wording should be different so as not to imply that "Morisset" is the name of only the station. This type of wording only works if the station had a specific name not shared with the suburb i.e. The Telstra Dome. Woldo 23:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Myself and MyNameIsNotBob have begun rewording the stations starting with the Central Coast & Newcastle line. Woldo 10:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think anyone's stupid enough to think that. To say under the article "Redfern railway station, Sydney" that "Redfern is a station near Sydney's CBD" is totally understandable. All the station pages for the Hong Kong MTR, London Underground, Paris Metro, Melbourne MetLink, Brisbane CityTrain, TransAdelaide, etc. all have it written this way. Why should we change? There are some stations on the CityRail network that don't share the name of the suburb eg. Hawkesbury River... they don't need to change! If you really have to, can you at least capitalise the names to make them a proper name, eg. "Central Railway Station" not "Central railway station"? (JROBBO 03:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: All the stations I just checked by referring to List of railway stations have it the way Woldo suggests. It is also recommended under lead section guidelines that it be done this way. MyNameIsNotBob 04:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hong Kong MTR is as you say but the London Underground is done the same way as my suggestion. Also the Paris Metro is named after places it isn't the name of the suburb it is located in. I think you will find if you look closer that the majority is done as per suggestion. Also the capitilisation I think is a good idea but then the page names will be different to the lead. Therefore unless someone wants to move all the pages then we can just leave it. Woldo 04:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: No - the page names are done according to Wikipedia convention. They shouldn't be touched. (JROBBO 07:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then it makes it simple, the lead sentence needs changing, because Wikipedia convention is that the article name should be bolded in the first sentence of the leading paragraph according to WP:LS. MyNameIsNotBob 01:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you understand - the "x railway station, Sydney" or "x railway station, New South Wales" uses are a decision of the users of WikiProject Sydney to properly characterise Sydney and NSW railway stations. They should be "x railway station' but this is done to avoid confusion. In the article, their proper name should be "x" (which is confused with the suburb, I agree), or "x Railway Station" as its proper name. (JROBBO 01:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with you entirely. Except for the fact that you can't get away with having the first sentence as '"x" is a railway station' as it is very ambiguous. It would be the same as having the first sentence of Sydney FC as 'Sydney, founded in 2004, is an A-League club based in Sydney, Australia.'. MyNameIsNotBob 02:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't being literal, I was giving an example... (JROBBO 10:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CityRail Station page wording 

message: Someone moved the Queen Victoria Building article to Queen Victoria Building, Sydney. Given that there is no other QVB in the world, I think this should be moved back, with the Sydney suffix made a redirect. There's no point in adding the suffix when there is only one well-known building of that name in the world and no one is going to think to add Sydney into the article. (JROBBO 05:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, most of the stuff on what links here go to Queen Victoria Building. MyNameIsNotBob 11:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed aswell, just filling up the server with extra bits that are not needed. Woldo 11:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved the page back. Harryboyles 11:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen Victoria Building 

message: I've made a page (it's been there for a while actually) for railway station templates and a related discussion page. If anyone can be bothered, railway station templates and the like can be discussed there. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Sydney/Railway stations. (JROBBO 13:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railway Station Discussion 

message: For anyone interested and available, Central Railway Station is having a 100 years celebration on August 5, 2006. They are running tours of the station, the new CityRail OSCAR trains will be there, and lots of other stuff on display. This would be a great chance to get some sources for information on the station, and some photos of areas where you can't normally get photos (maybe platforms 26/27?) If anyone is available, it would be good for someone here to go (I can't unfortunately). (JROBBO 02:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the heads up!  Details from Cityrail  John Dalton 03:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  100 Years of Central Station