Talk:Berlin

message: West Berlin was not legally part of West Germany and to state that it was compromises the factual accuracy of this article. Paul Austin (talk) 13:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the Allies maintained their role as the highest executive authority - West Berlin did de facto become a "Bundesland" of the FRG, and was represented in the Bundestag and Bundesrat. West Berlins' residents were citizens of the FRG. There is no need to go into depth about West Berlins' complicated legal status - at least not in the lead. After all, this article is about Berlin and not West Berlin. More detailed information is given in the appropriate section (History, 2.2 20th century) of this article.--77.181.5.160 (talk) 17:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: de facto and de jure are important distinctions. To include wrong information in the lede is not good. It is possible to simplify without distorting.158.181.66.104 (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "The constitution of West Berlin, as it came into force on 1 September 1950, maintained that West Berlin is a constituent Land of the Federal Republic, where the Basic Law of the Federal Republic is binding ... Under its 1950 constitution, West Berlin is a state of the Federal Republic..."Dorothy Elkins, ‎T. H. Elkins, ‎B. Hofmeister, Berlin: The Spatial Structure of a Divided City, 1988, p.40-41  --82.113.99.196 (talk) 16:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Berlin 

message: In this article's second paragraph I find it stated that West Berlin was one of the states of the Federal Republic before the re-unification of Germany.  In the 1980s I actually believed that to be the be the case.  I know that Willi Brandt, who resided in West Berlin, served as chancellor of the Federal Republic before the re-unification.  However, I also know that West Germany's laws allowed even citizens of East Germany to hold that office and others in West Germany, since they refused to recognize any distinction between different German citizenships.  I think it was from reading Wikipedia's article on Germany's re-unification and its article on the Federal Republic that I came to think that Berlin was never incorporated in the Federal Republic until 1990.  Is there a source for the assertion? Michael Hardy (talk) 11:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: West Berlin did de facto become a "Bundesland" of the FRG, and was represented in the Bundestag and Bundesrat. West Berlins' residents were citizens of the FRG. --77.181.244.33 (talk) 16:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "The constitution of West Berlin, as it came into force on 1 September 1950, maintained that West Berlin is a constituent Land of the Federal Republic, where the Basic Law of the Federal Republic is binding ... Under its 1950 constitution, West Berlin is a state of the Federal Republic..."Dorothy Elkins, ‎T. H. Elkins, ‎B. Hofmeister, Berlin: The Spatial Structure of a Divided City, 1988, p.40-41  --82.113.99.196 (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of the ''Bundesländer''? 

message: Early in this article we find this:
:: and federal state of the Federal Republic of Germany.
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I've always thought "federal state" is a lousy way to translate the German word Bundesland.  The prefix bundes- does generally mean "federal", but in English the term "federal state" is often taken to mean a federated state, like the U.S.A. or like Germany or Brazil or any of various others (Switzerland, Canada, Australia, Mexico,....), i.e. a state composed of a union of smaller states.
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But a difficulty arises: I don't know if the English language has any good term that refers to the concept that Bundesland refers to.  It would be a common noun whose referents include things like Schleswig-Holstein, Wisconsin, and Alagoas.
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Is there some reasonable term that could be used here instead of the misleading term "federal state"? Michael Hardy (talk) 17:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe just "state" would be fine to use. "Federal state" is not correct for Berlin, or for West Berlin like in the quote. Actually West Berlin was not even a proper state, more something of a de facto-state tightly connected to West Germany. --JohanahoJ (talk) 18:39, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "federal state"? 

message: The Etymology section should be redone, according to that of the German article. Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 16:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In ancient Slavic languages (Protoslavic language) word "ber" means "a bear". Hence Russian "берлога" (berloga) - "a bears lair". In the same time I never heard there would be a Slavic word "berl" which means "a swamp" according to this article. So, I think there is a fair chance name "Berlin" was derived from the ancient Slavic word "ber" which means "a bear". And this version has to be researched and included in Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.222.146.79 (talk) 12:50, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it hasn't. The issue was researched pretty intensely and no one ever mentioned an "ancient Slavic word ber". --j.budissin (talk) 11:42, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of Berlin / Etymology 

message: Hi! I think the following topics should be covered by at least some compact articles, as they're relevant not just for Berlin:
*Karneval der Kulturen (Carnival of Cultures), see :de:Karneval der Kulturen
*Berlin Festival (web), see :de:Berlin Festival
*Berlin Music Week (web), see :de:Berlin Music Week
Thanks & all the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 12:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles needed for cultural/musical festivals 

message: Hello - 
A Wikipedia Icon for Berlin linked to the Wikipedia article for Berlin is show in Google Earth in the Sierra Nevada mountains of the United States at the approximate coordinate of 38°45'N 119°22'W. Can this be fixed or can you tell me who I should notify? Thanks VFF0347 (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The coordinates at the top are perfectly OK: |latd=52 |latm=31 |lats= |longd=13 |longm=23 . Don't know where you got the Sierra Nevada mountains coordinates from. No correction necessary. Alandeus (talk) 05:58, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is nothing incorrect with the coordinates referenced in your article. However there is a Wikipedia icon shown in Google Earth (in the Sierra Nevadas at the coordinates which I mentioned) that is linked to your article. When a reader double clicks the icon in Google Earth it brings the reader to your article. From your response I take it that you didn't have anything to do with placing the icon in Google Earth. Is that correct? Would you have any knowledge of how Wikipedia icons are set-up and/or controlled in Google Earth? Thanks so much ~~ VFF0347  — Preceding unsigned comment added by VFF0347 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Google Earth Icon Coordinate 

message: It appears that someone close to Berlin, who might also not be a native English speaker, has been editing the page, and other copyeditors need to review the content for both grammar and tone. I have made numerous corrections today and also needed to add citations—I will continue to monitor the page.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Would be great if you were able to proofread some sections. FinnishDriver (talk) 11:26, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit template 

message: The article showing the sister cities and such, shows London with a crest. That is not the crest of London, is the crest of the City of London.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.237.96.9 (talk) 18:46, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  London Crest 

message: It appears that there is a sizable difference between the weather data listed on this page and the weather data listed on the Geography of Berlin page. Maybe I'm missing something, but comparing the two pages it appears that the mean annual sunshine hours for Berlin are a) 1,625.6; and b) 2,025.6.
Is someone interested in looking into this, determining which is more accurate, and then making the appropriate changes if necessary?
54.68.59.137 (talk) 07:53, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency: Weather data 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Berlin]] 

message: "The Döner kebab was invented in Berlin in 1971" is a common misperception in Germany. The "berlin style" of Döner kebab sandwich, not surprisingly, developed in Berlin, through the 70s and 80s. But the legend that the Döner was "invented" there is highly misleading. The Döner meat itself has been served in Turkey for more than a century, and Döner sandwiches as snack or street food have been sold in Turkey since at least the 1950s.  Statement needs clarification or removal. Discussion in Talk:Doner_kebab IamNotU (talk) 18:16, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The case was already clarified with a source. BTW, this article is neither about Döner Kebab nor the history of Döner Kebab. Your additions are out of place. Sorry. FinnishDriver (talk) 16:05, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: FinnishDriver, you're right, that was too much information... I've moved it to Doner kebab#History. I did rewrite the one sentence about Döners here though, as it was inaccurate, and the Telegraph source was unreliable. Not only did they contradict their own report here: , but they still didn't check their facts - although Kadir Nurman is still dead, :de:Mehmet Aygün is not! -- IamNotU (talk) 01:33, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I still believe that mentioning the Döner myth is misplaced here. Its not the article about Döner Kebab. FinnishDriver (talk) 06:36, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: , I appreciate your efforts to improve the article. Nevertheless, please do not continue to reintroduce the citation declaring the death of Mehmet Aygün. It was a false report (see ) and its inclusion without adequate context violates multiple Wikipedia guidelines and policies. I have replaced it with another one from the Wall Street Journal, which should be more than sufficient. Thank-you. -- IamNotU (talk) 03:47, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Döner myth 

message: I added the two files shown at right to illustrate how Berlin has changed since its reunification. They show the same location, as evidenced by the signpost marking the intersection of Charlottenstraße and Zimmerstraße, and, in my opinion, deliver the full value of a thousand words in what they depict. I am certain, having taken the 1986 picture myself, that no arrangement of prose could have titillated my imagination nearly as much as it was upon seeing the changes in 2D. 
They were subsequently removed for the following summarized reason: "one division pic is enough here". I would agree, except these images were not illustrating the division of Berlin, but instead: how drastically it changed upon reunification, and by all reasonable measure, how quickly as well. I think they improve the article, and am keen to know if others agree. Best regards.--John Cline (talk) 05:17, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of images 

message: I think there should be an article on how "West" and "East" co-exist in the post-reunification era, and why it's perhaps a misnomer to talk about just "Berlin". There's a bunch of fascinating sources on this topic; here's a sample: --Coin945 (talk) 05:40, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[West Berlin and East Berlin post-German reunification]] 

message: This is from the ingress:
"Berlin is the second most populous city proper in the European Union and the seventh most populous urban area in the European Union. Located in northeastern Germany on the banks of the rivers Spree and Havel, it is the centre of the Berlin-Brandenburg Metropolitan Region, which has roughly 6 million residents from more than 180 nations, making it the sixth most populous urban area in the European Union."
So its the seventh most populous, then in the next sentence its the sixth. Seems both is based on the same source and the same year. I don't read French so I can't say what is right, but it should be corrected. Ulflarsen (talk) 12:33, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: So fix it! That's a nine year old dead link with no archive. You'll need to find a new source, start with the List of urban areas in the European Union page, which lists it in either seventh or third place, depending how you look at it... --IamNotU (talk) 15:01, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradicting statements in the ingress 

message: Be aware! This edit might anger or frustrate the reader because the issue it addresses is so minor it could be called irrelevant. I would have edited the article myself, but unfortunately I don't understand how to obtain coordinates from the source used in all articles on cities.
The following coordinate fix is needed for Berlin:
- The coordinate on the page is located outside the city borders.
The following coordinate fix is needed in general:
- Coordinates are presented in all articles on cities. It should be noted why this exact location is chosen.  Coordinates represent a point (non-dimensional) on the earths surface (two dimensional). This raises the question: "What point within the area covered by the city is chosen coordinate?". Does it represent location of some important building, or the cities historical or geometrical center, etc?
—CreatorOfYellow (talk) 21:08, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the coordinates to reflect a point nearer the "geometrical center" of the city. The center, either the geographical center or a "business center", is usually where we put the coordinates of a settlement, although there are some exceptions in special cases. And we try to avoid too much precision relative to the place's size. Deor (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error 

message: I'm certain to have seen 1701 as the year Berlin became Prussia's capital before. But can anyone find a source ? Had a look in our Prussia article. The year is 1701 , but no source there either. A German encyclopedia or book on the history of Berlin perhaps ? (Why the American flag, by the way ? Germany is after all not very far away from England - and I think we should use real English here)Boeing720 (talk) 23:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe check out our article Margraviate of Brandenburg and Holy Roman Empire for a grand sketch of the european history and later the part of Berlin in it, starting with Charles the Great in the year 800. There was allot of turmoil, many small and some bigger wars in between which makes it hard to pin down the history of Berlin appropriately to single events and dates. I have no clue what flag you are referring to. --Kharon (talk) 03:22, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital of Prussia as of 1701 ... 

message: I have added figures for "other" totals - calculated by subtracting the figures for the countries in each region that are displayed in the table, from the total given for each region in the source (Europa zusammen pg. 18, Amerika zusammen pg. 20, Asien zusammen pg. 21).  and , I appreciate your contributions to updating the table with new figures. In the future it would also be good if you or others are updating the table, to update the "other figures as well. Otherwise a skewed picture of the demographics is given, with over 235,000 people missing... --IamNotU (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics - table of nationalities 

message: Why is not the population density listed as under most other major cities in Europe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_cities_proper_by_population_density
The fact that Berlin is a vast city by area is known. As every city can define it´s borders to it´s own liking. What is the reason for the population density not to be shown? Most peculiar.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.150.9.77 (talk) 18:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SOFIXIT. This might help: https://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/umwelt/umweltatlas/edn606_01.htm --IamNotU (talk) 14:57, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population density 

message: I wonder why the article lacks information about the role the city plays within histories of genocides (the Holocaust), racism (as the capital of Germany) and European White Supremacy in general. Instead, the article seems to paint a rosy picture of a post-race paradise for a reason that I could only attribute to self-promoting marketing-oriented Berlin-based and German Wikipedia editors.
--2600:1010:B048:BD91:848E:37DE:A1BA:A8C8 (talk) 03:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't you read the history section? Alandeus (talk) 10:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Histories of intolerance and racism 

message: Changed the intro a bit. Heading east of the confluence of Elbe and Saale, one passes south of Berlin, so the claim of Berlin being to the east of the Saale is a bit tall imho. North to Northeast would be more like it, but given the geography, not east. Keeping in mind that banal facts do not have to be referenced. Berlin is commonly referred to as being east of the Elbe, if a riverine reference is used. Referring the location relative to the Saale as a main description is OR, if not by the author, then by the source. Gotta go now - have to mention in the article of Edinburgh that place's north of the Thames. If you catch my drift. No offense intended, --G-41614 (talk) 08:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: This structure may be iconic, but of european history as suggested in the text? I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of europeans who'd beg to differ. As a symbol of change after the Cold War, it would be an icon of global history, and it certainly is such regarding to german history. But explicitly european? Hm. Who said that? Regards, --G-41614 (talk) 06:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As there is no reference, you can rephrase it, if you like. --GodeNehler (talk) 05:26, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brandenburg Gate 

message: When I was in Germany a couple years ago it only got as far as astronomical twilight, it was astronomical twilight at solar midnight rather than complete darkness.  Does Berlin get complete darkness at winter solstice?,  Berlin's latitude is 52.5 degrees therefore it falls in astronomical twilight on the summer solstice, complete darkness doesn't occur within 41.5 degrees of either pole on summer solstice.
--98.31.29.4 (talk) 00:22, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: How does this relate to the article exactly? If you want to ask a specific scientific question, then please visit Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science instead. Best, ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 00:31, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  No complete darkness 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: On the side panel Population of city is missing even though it shows on the edit page. 104.3.143.81 (talk) 14:56, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population of Berlin missing 

message: I don’t edit Wikipedia so apologies if this isn’t proper procedure but in the 20th-21st century section of the page it says Hitler announced the results of his design contest in 1910. Not sure what the real year is but it should be sometime in the 1930s. 46.183.103.8 (talk) 18:19, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed that dubious and rather insignificant passage. Alandeus (talk) 11:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Hitler’s Berlin design contest seems wrong 

message: This article has around 180 "Lua error: not enough memory" errors at the bottom, currently starting in Berlin#References. I asked about the issue at Module talk:Mapframe#Lua error: not enough memory pointing out that it is due to the complex  in the infobox. A reply suggested removing the Germany map. Any thoughts on that? WP:VPT could be used to ask if other solutions might work. Johnuniq (talk) 04:38, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I just removed the Germany map and it has resolved the problem. The article HTML source contains a NewPP report with "Lua memory usage: 33158319/52428800 bytes" meaning the memory used is 19MB less than maximum whereas before it was over the maximum. Johnuniq (talk) 08:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lua error: not enough memory 

message: The German Wikipedia and official sources give the area as 891.7 square kilometers. What's going on here? 2A02:8109:B60F:B300:60E3:E2C4:BB5:E05A (talk) 22:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Kgfleischmann (talk) 20:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area of Berlin over 1,000 square kilometer?