Talk:Splatter film

message: There are several changes that I'd suggest here.  First, I'd like us to rethink the "torture porn" moniker.  It's not porn any more than the snuff films were porn, in my opinion.  But I'll admit I don't have a better name at the moment. I'm open to suggestions.  Also I'd suggest introducing a section that discusses graphic violence, slasher, splatter, and splatstick as elements of a film and not necessarily defining the film as part of a genre.  For instance, Saving Private Ryan contains graphic violence, but is not a splatter film; it's a war movie.  Dawn of the Dead has graphic violence, some of which is clearly splatstick, but I don't think that as a movie it fits neatly into a particular genre, except that of an apocalyptic horror film.  Psycho (1960) is not a slasher film, except for its most famous scene.  And so on and so forth.
::The difference between a gory horror movie and "gorno" is with whom the audience is manipulated to identify and for whom they root: the victim, or the victimizer? Classical horror even at its most gruesome exorcises fear of evil, "gorno" exercises evil. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 15:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre definition problems 

message: The article employs a very personal tone at a number of points, with phrases such as "As any movie fan will tell you" or "worth a look for die-hard gore fans." AncientToaster (talk) 06:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently much of the article was re-written recently by User:96.230.29.108. I have reverted. I welcome expansion of the article, but these additions are completely unsourced, and fail the core content policies of WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOR, and delete large sections of sourced content with no explanation. dissolvetalk 07:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone

message: This article requires a section devoted to Asian splatter, given the proliferation of films in the "genre" over the last few decades. A broader, international focus would benefit this article greatly.
I suggest at least a mention of Troma entertainment, if not an entire section.
I realize there is a dearth of acceptable research on this topic, but the existing article is lacking in scope and thoroughness. Deadryann (talk) 07:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there some reliable sources you can link to or reference about these topics? If so, feel free to add the sections, or note them here and perhaps another editor can add them. Labeled as B-Class or C-class, this article is far from being complete. dissolvetalk 07:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glaring Exclusions 

message: Should the first Saw movie really be considered torture porn? Its sequels definitely should be as they're far gorier, but the first was neither particularly gory nor full of actual torture scenes. Most of the scenes had only implied violence or showed the aftermath of events. Seven (film), which the Saw franchise clearly gathers inspiration from, was gorier and included more torture than the first Saw film. Despite that many people have called Saw torture porn, the term isn't necessarily correct for anything but the subsequent films in the franchise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.112.123 (talk) 05:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: David Edelstein seems to disagree, in the article that coined the term. Wikipedia is not a place for editors to  publish their own ideas and analysis. If you can find a reliable source that agrees with you, feel free to add it to the article. dissolvetalk 05:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. This article groups in the entire franchise, but it references a press conference with the minds at Twisted Pictures defending that without the gore there would still be an intricate plot, and that their movies are not just gore and torture for the sake of gore and torture. I'm adding a line in this entry linking to that source, simply stating that it has been labeled as such although the creators disagree. Fair enough? 71.244.112.123 (talk) 18:08, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Twisted Pictures's reaction to the term "torture porn" would be a good addition and UGO Networks is a notable source. dissolvetalk 18:20, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I like that approach, because it acknowledges a fair objection while also acknowledging that there is a popular perception of Saw as a 'torture porn' film. Not that all these other movies are just "for the sake of gore and torture", though. GuySperanza (talk) 21:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1st Saw film 

message: I was about to remove the "Blair Witch" reference for lack of relevance, but when I went to edit it, I saw that there was text in that section that is not displaying on the page. What I'm seeing is this:
'The Blair Witch Project is similar to the 1980 film Cannibal Holocaust.Deodato, Ruggero. Interview with Sage Stallone; Bob Murawski. "Cult-Con 2000", Cannibal Holocaust DVD Commentary., Tarrytown, New York. 2000-11-12  The story in Cannibal Holocaust is told through footage from a group of people making a documentary about a portion of the Amazon which is said to be populated by cannibals. This "mockumentary" format was later used in Blair Witch.
This starts in midsentence of what was originally written, and loses the sentence that explains that the point is to show that splatter films have been influential on many other films. This is evidence that splatter films have influenced a single movie, not many. If you can cite other examples, you should include them. Otherwise, this is good information for (and already on) the page of either movie, but not so relevant to this article. If there aren't other examples available, this section should be removed, as it's very "Blair Witch"-centric and "Blair Witch" is not a splatter film. GuySperanza (talk) 03:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. dissolvetalk 03:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Blair Witch" reference 

message: While there's enough overlap between the two not to merit its own separate article, most stuff I've seen described as torture porn place a particular emphasis on the cruelty of the acts committed rather than necessarily on the gore itself. Yes, I know of Wikipedia:NOR, but I am sure there must be sources out there also noting that (or at the very least discussing "torture porn" as its own genre). 201.190.31.192 (talk) 22:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't "torture porn" have its own separate section? 

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