Talk:Economy of the Republic of Ireland

message: Please review the edits re: the health service. They are accurate, though they may need presented in a more NPOV way. This is difficult, as essentially the health service in Ireland is a disaster by all accounts and absolutely diabolical. I mean, 170 patients on trolleys in corridors awaiting A&E treatment without any kind of national emergency (apart from the situation itself) is fairly appalling. This was the situation a day or two ago.
: while still being one of the best in the world. Relative to most countries, though it isn't perfect, we're guaranteed treatment, which is the primary concern of everyone.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.131.66 (talk) 21:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that their is a severe problem with the health service in Ireland ("The Eleven Kingdoms") but it is important that it should not outweight an article on the economy. Djegan 21:36, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The Welfare State - health service

message: This sentence sounds weird to me, I can't really place the context or meaning of it.
"The Institute of Technology system has recently overtaken the universities in terms of first year enrollment numbers and this trend appears to be accelerating; this is the realisation of the binary system's strength in Ireland."
That last part in bold seems to be misusing the phrase "binary system", especially since there is a link to Binary. --rimbaud 15:54, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
:As you pointed out it is linked to the Binary page which states:
: In higher education, an education system that includes both polytechnic, or college, and university style institutions. These institutions are often intended to complement each other and form an important basis in the overall education policy and infrastructure of a country or region.
:Applying that meaning to the word binary in the sentence you quoted allows the sentence to make complete sense (now thats a mouthful!) CGorman 17:40, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education 

message: There ar many incroct facts in this section. The M1 only goes from the border toDublin, Not along the whole east cost and Brodband coerage is nowhere near 50%, eiter Geograpicly or poplation wise
:The article says it is 'available' to 50% of homes; not 'in' 50%... theres an ennormous difference. CGorman 21:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infestructure 

message: The "State ownership and deregulation" section says several times that the government controls "much" of a given industry.  I think it's important to be more precise, giving numbers with references.  This section needed a lot of copyediting just now, so I'm also not sure I trust its qualitative judgements, so some research is probably in order. -- Beland 03:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  State ownership detail 

message: This section sounds like a disgruntled citizen trying to convince us of what bad shape the country's health care system is in.  Maybe it is, but the point could be made in a less flimsy fashion by substituting more details for broad generalizations - or at the very least, reliable sources to support those generalizations.  Toward the end, it is less like a coherent description and more like a list of half-remembered horror stories.
What does it mean that anyone with "a medical reason" can get free health care?  How many people in the country don't have any health insurance?  Are people in Ireland healthier or sicker than those in other European countries?
This section also contains information which is not in the "main" article, Health care in the Republic of Ireland, so these two pages need to be re-synchronized, with the overall summary here and more details and background there. -- Beland 03:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health care section 

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thread_title: Featured status

message: Is this using a completely different concept of External debt than the rest of the world uses? Theres no way in hell the state owes over a trillion to -anyone-, particularly as our (comparatively negligble) national debt is under 40 billion. CIA Factbook puts the states actual external debt at 11B. 
If someone has a different meaning for external debt than what everyone else uses, I'd like to hear it... --Kiand 21:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ignore what I had hear earlier... RedHotHeat added it to the template (I forgot old revs of pages show the current template) from the CIA fact book. This is clearly erroneous, so I've reverted to the 1998 figures, as these are at least accurate, for 8 years ago. External debt cannot be higher than total public debt. Might drop the CIA an email, though I doubt they'll even read it... --Kiand 21:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I've acquired National Treasury Managment Agency figures  which show that our external debt is 0. Nothing. Nada. I would guess the CIA updating had some issues here, I'm sure you'll find the $1.049Tr is in fact the external debt of another couuntry. --Kiand 21:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The CIA's response is that they are World Bank figures that cover personal debt also. Which means they're completely useless for the purpose of this article, and indeed fairly useless for what the CIA Factbook reports in the first place. --Kiand 13:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External debt 

message: I'm wondering if perhaps we should make more of a mention of the IDA in both the development and continuance of the growth of the Irish economy?  I think it's an important point (particularly given the number of countries trying to emulate the model) and is perhaps a little underplayed in this article.  Thanks.  Lochdale 21:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IDA Ireland 

message: The figure in the info box of 10%  is now 9 years old, any one know where this figure comes from and if there is a more upto date figure? Fabhcún 18:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poverty level

message: The article currently has 12 citation needed tags. Please either remove the information until sources are found or begin adding sources as soon as you can. Go through the rest of the article and make sure any other statements that may be questioned over their verifiability has inline citations as well. The article is well put together, but with a quick glance, these citation tags need to be fixed before a full review is given. Feel free to renominate once the inline citations are added. --Nehrams2020 03:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA failed

message: The lead contains much statistical information about the economy that isn't mentioned elsewhere. Perhaps this could be moved to a "nature of the economy" section and the lead more accurately summarise the article.AleXd (talk) 18:41, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead and Structure of the article 

message: Maybe it could be time to update some of the information and statistics in this article? Many figures such as that of the Population below poverty line and the GDP growth are certainly outdated. For example, it mentions a GDP growth of 4.7% (2005 est.) when the ESRI has estimated it will be -0.4% in 2009. That is a huge difference!).
I would update it myself but I lack the knowledge of economics to actually know what I'm doing!
86.42.204.52 (talk) 13:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be normal practice to give the latest published figures, which I think are probably for 2007 when the rate was 5.1%, so updating it might actually increase the gap between the "official" figure and the current speculation about the 2009 rate. Also as the poverty line is relative, not absolute, the "poverty rate" might actually be reduced if average earnings fall. Sarah777 (talk) 21:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates 

message: The reference no 9 is broken. I have found the same document here:
http:// workforall.net /IRELAND_The_wealth_of_the_nation.pdf
I am not sure why but workforall.net is blacklisted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.132.124 (talk) 21:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: Do we need this section? Despite Sarah777's efforts it is still full of conjecture and inaccuracies. Since the recession started in 2008 why not a Recession of 2008 section (most likely) followed eventually by a Recession of 2010 section etc? From the first sentence it is poor:
"Ireland has been in recession since second quarter of 2008 and some commentators have claimed it is entering a depression, [38][39] with GDP down over 10%[40][41] and unemployment up 87.5%[42] to 11%[43][44]." GDP down and unemployment up since when? The 2nd quarter of 2008? None of the refs support this.
"Influential American economist Paul Krugman has stated that Ireland faces the worst economic outlook in the world[45]. Ireland has the world's highest external debt at 811% of GDP[46] due to excessive Government borrowing and the financial bailout and Nationalisation of Ireland's banks[47] which were loaded with debt due to the Irish property bubble."
Complete conjecture as to the cause of the external debt. I doubt it is even accurate. Ireland's external debt at close to 2 trillion must have long predated the current crisis. I could go on but the rest just consists of 'most economists think' without any references for support. Did the author poll the world's economists?
Surelay anything salvegable from this section could be added to the next section?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.181.78 (talk) 16:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recession of 2009 

message: Hello
Unfortunately I feel that this article does not meet the criteria for a b-class article: it is incomplete and inaccurate in places, as noted by other editors on this page. It is full of disputations and missing citations and overall not worthy of B class, especially for such an important topic. Best,--Ktlynch (talk) 15:32, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reassessment downwards 

message: What are the B class article standards?
70.62.142.66 (talk) 20:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reply 

message: The second citation says that the GDP fell 1.2%, not is -1.2%. But Google Public Data says that GDP is -5.99, which is more accurate because on second citation says that it fell, not is. 70.62.142.66 (talk) 20:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 2nd citation - disputed 

message: The majority of nations have natural resources included in their Economy article - does Ireland really need a separate page? The "Natural resources" article has a lot of issues which I feel would be better handled on this page.Gymnophoria (talk) 16:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not true, many more have natural resources either under the country or under geography of the country. That so many countrie have it either under geography or economy indicated to me that it should be factored out and the Natural reources of Ireland article has got the split right. 20:40, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To judge by its name, "Natural resources of Ireland" should include Northern Ireland, though at present it doesn't really. jnestorius(talk) 20:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Disagree with a merge. There's enough of a separation of materials to keep both pages. Agree with Jnestorius that Northern Ireland should be include on the natural resource article.--Patrick (talk) 13:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "Natural resources of Ireland" with this article 

message: I was a bit surprised to see no mention of how much tourism contributed to the economy. Then again I had to search a bit too before I found farming as a part of agri-food so perhaps it is there but under something I don't recognize :) Anyway I thought tourism contributed something like 5% so I'd have though it was big enough to have a mention. Dmcq (talk) 19:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of tourism 

message: to complete the merge (2012) - which was then completed in 2013. Guliolopez (talk) 12:49, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Seeing as there hasn't been any objections to the above in the last 4+ months (and no objections since the merge was proposed 6 months ago), I have merged the "recruitment" content from Recruitment in the Republic of Ireland. I have removed anything that was tagged as problematic RE cites before merging. However several issues remain. (The whole section frankly is still a bit of a fluff piece). At some point we need to address the other merge proposal (natural resources). Guliolopez (talk) 15:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

text: I have an objection. Why do we have 6 lines in an article about the Irish economy devoted to recruitment agencies? It's ridiculous.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.98.43.9 (talk) 09:56, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hiya 89.98.43.9. Thanks for your note. Given that it is seven years since the issues with the merged article were raised, two years since the merge proposal was made (and discussed), and more than a year since the merge was completed, then then I'd suggest that it probably doesn't make sense to discuss the remaining content in the context of the original merge proposal. If there are issues with that content (and undoubtedly there is), then I'd suggest maybe talking about whats wrong and how you suggest improving. (I'll mark the discussion as closed, so can take it forward from a different place... Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 12:41, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Two merges (recruitment/resources) were proposed some time ago. Per my related note on the "recruitment" page, I am strongly in favour of a merge/redirect from that article. (The recruitment article was originally a very broad and unencyclopaedic opinion piece. While this has been improved somewhat, I can see no reason to keep it separate. It should ideally be merged into a small sub-section here and a redirect left at the existing article). In terms of the "resources" article, per my related note several years ago, the resources article has had several problems. While some improvements have been forthcoming, the resources article still has problems (scope isn't clear, includes outofdate lists of mining companies, and awkward references to related legislative artefacts). If those can be addressed somewhat, then maybe the resources article can/should remain separate. However, if it can't be salvaged as a whole, then the salvageable pieces should likely be merged here. If there are no objections, I am going to merge the recruitment stuff soon. Would welcome more discussion on the resources article. Guliolopez (talk) 01:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Seeing as there hasn't been any objections to the above in the last 4+ months (and no objections since the merge was proposed 6 months ago), I have merged the "recruitment" content from Recruitment in the Republic of Ireland. I have removed anything that was tagged as problematic RE cites before merging. However several issues remain. (The whole section frankly is still a bit of a fluff piece). At some point we need to address the other merge proposal (natural resources). Guliolopez (talk) 15:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

text: I have an objection. Why do we have 6 lines in an article about the Irish economy devoted to recruitment agencies? It's ridiculous.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.98.43.9 (talk) 09:56, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hiya 89.98.43.9. Thanks for your note. Given that it is seven years since the issues with the merged article were raised, two years since the merge proposal was made (and discussed), and more than a year since the merge was completed, then then I'd suggest that it probably doesn't make sense to discuss the remaining content in the context of the original merge proposal. If there are issues with that content (and undoubtedly there is), then I'd suggest maybe talking about whats wrong and how you suggest improving. (I'll mark the discussion as closed, so can take it forward from a different place... Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 12:41, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC), a UN/WTO agency that aims to promote sustainable economic development through trade promotion. I would like to propose the addition of an external link (http://www.macmap.org/QuickSearch/FindTariff/FindTariff.aspx?subsite=open_access&country=SCC372%7cIreland&source=1|ITC) that leads directly to our online database of customs tariffs applied by Ireland. Visitors can easily look up market access information for Ireland by selecting the product and partner of their interest. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 
1) ITC is part of the United Nations, and aims to share trade and market access data on by country and product as a global public good
2) No registration is required to access this information
3) Market access data (Tariffs and non-tariff measures) are regularly updated
Thank you,
Divoc (talk) 15:52, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: External link to tariff data

message: Removing this - it seems to be original research.  There are three Google hits for the term, total. One is to this very article, two are from a thread on Reddit where someone aptly points out that "I'm no expert but isn't Fionnuisce completely wrong here? The 'Phoenix' in Phoenix Park in Dublin is just an anglicisation of Fionn Uisce and bears no relation to the bird that rose from the ashes."  BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not how it works DylanMcKaneWiki. Per WP:COMMONNAME, we only use titles and labels that are already in common-use. This is exactly the type of concern that other editors have raised about this article. That the phrase (in Irish and in English) is used in this article in a way that is perhaps ahead of itself relative to the neologism and OR guidelines. In short however: Unless someone else is using the term as Gaeilge/in Irish elsewhere, then it is not our place to invent/translate/create a label! Guliolopez (talk) 12:35, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see where there's an article on ga.wikipedia to parallel it. I was able to find ga:An Tíogar Ceilteach to parallel Celtic Tiger, but the economic history coverage is thin there (yet more robust than my Gaelic skills :) ). —C.Fred (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  An Fhionnuisce Ceilteach 

message: What is the actual Irish translation for Celtic Phoenix? --DylanMcKaneWiki (talk) 11:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not how it works DylanMcKaneWiki. Per WP:COMMONNAME, we only use titles and labels that are already in common-use. This is exactly the type of concern that other editors have raised about this article. That the phrase (in Irish and in English) is used in this article in a way that is perhaps ahead of itself relative to the neologism and OR guidelines. In short however: Unless someone else is using the term as Gaeilge/in Irish elsewhere, then it is not our place to invent/translate/create a label! Guliolopez (talk) 12:35, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see where there's an article on ga.wikipedia to parallel it. I was able to find ga:An Tíogar Ceilteach to parallel Celtic Tiger, but the economic history coverage is thin there (yet more robust than my Gaelic skills :) ). —C.Fred (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual Irish translation? 

message: I am left with no other choice but to MERGE this article with the Economy of the Republic of Ireland article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 17:10, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  THIS PAGE WILL BE MERGED  

message: I decided to bring back the Celtic Phoenix article as I believe it deserves an article, like the Celtic Tiger. This article too much will NEVER be merged or deleted!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 19:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi DylanMcKaneWiki. Before suggesting that you perhaps support this position (with a response perhaps to any of the concerns raised by other editors), I would respectfully point you to the policies relating to avoiding using capitals for emphasis, signing posts, and those relating to "ownership" of articles. Given the latter, and as several editors still lean in favour of the merge proposal, you really have to explain what positives you see - that would outweigh those concerns. Guliolopez (talk) 19:53, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Making ultimatums or what will never or always will happen, is never a good sign of a collaborative editing. Liz Read! Talk! 21:46, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  I CHANGED MY MIND  

message: As per my other notes on this topic, I still have significant concerns that, while this topic remains a "standalone" article, it seems to serve only as a POVFORK for more "upbeat" opinions on economic "news". It also remains a COATRACK for loosely related developments in the area. (By this I mean that the article largely coins a term (or extends a recently coined and infrequently used term), and then we lump anything that supports that term/concept into it - even if the original publisher or source didn't actually associate the concept with the term itself). In that sense it seems to skirt the WP:OR and WP:SYNTH guidelines. If this article is to remain a standalone, it should be moved to a summary style sub-article that uses a different subject title. But I am still in a merge camp on this... Guliolopez (talk) 12:10, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Largely agreed, though I don't see the point of a sub-article, to be honest.  Have you seen the AN/I case? BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:16, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge to Economy of RoI article. This article is a pov fork from an editor who know nothing about NPOV. Snappy (talk) 19:40, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No arguments made to retain.  Can anyone do a merge, or does it need to be an admin? BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge/CFORK 

message: The title here is wrong. The constitutional name for Ireland is "Ireland" not the Republic of Ireland. See Irish Statute Book http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/en/constitution/
----  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.83.253.13 (talk) 17:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: While true, Wikipedia refers to Ireland, the country, as Republic of Ireland, and Ireland, the island, as just Ireland. —C.Fred (talk) 17:59, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy of Ireland 

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message: Or at least according to this article. Searching this article on "agriculture" or "farm" produces nothing; "agricultural" turns up only in a document used as a source.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't agriculture been a major part of Ireland's economy for, oh, most of recorded history? Wasn't there this severe potato famine that had a major effect on the country? But since this article is so set on telling us that Ireland is a knowledge economy, I guess it doesn't have time for that. Never mind that more than half the country's total land area is used for agriculture, including forestry, something I found only by Googling. I guess that must not produce much, if any, measurable percentage of the country's GDP, or the article would at least have a subsection. Nor do we apparently need an Agriculture in the Republic of Ireland article. Daniel Case (talk) 22:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Em. Agriculture is covered in the Primary sector section. Granted not in any great depth. If you are minded to expand it, then there are some publications from Teagasc (the state/semi-state agency which oversees the agri-food sector) and from the Department of Agri, Food and Marine (the government department which oversees the area) which might be useful starting points. (PS. I don't disagree at all on the length of the lead. Or that it seems to focus on a limited sphere of economic activity and measurement. As I have noted multiple times in the recent past (), I think it has grown into something of an essay on economic measurement, and covers a lot of stuff that isn't in the body. Which ideally wouldn't be the case. I'm happy to help move much of it. Perhaps to a section dealing with economic measures/measurement. If you need help with the agri content, I can perhaps help too. I made an attempt to fix some of that a little while ago too . Happy to make a few further tweaks if there's consensus that something is "missing"...) Guliolopez (talk) 22:59, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparently there is no farming in Ireland anymore, if there ever was? 

message: Per the comments and tags from , and my own notes on both topics, unless there are other thoughts I will likely take a stab at addressing the concerns raised. Specifically, on:
* Agriculture - I will likely "move up" and expand the "primary sector" section and content. And address the concerns (raised above) that there is limited coverage on the economic contributions from the agri and agri-food sectors. With ref to the sources I had myself suggested.
* Lead - I will likely "move down" and create an "economic measures" section for that content. And address the concerns (raised by me and others) that the lead covers stuff that isn't actually in the body. Making the lead a bit of a length essay. Rather than a summary of the body. With consideration to what the lead guidelines suggest.
If no other thoughts, I will do this in the coming days. Guliolopez (talk) 09:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agri and lead issues 

message: - you've been reverted by at least three different editors, and you've received warnings from three editors. Why are you trying to force this change to the caption through against consensus and the WP:IMOS? Can you engage with us, please? Secondly, I have to ask, what account have you used to edit with before? BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 19:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caption 

message: It should probably be noted that all Wikipedia pages based on specific countries economics, shows a picture of there business district, or if they have more than one, the bigger or biggest business district. Therefore I see it as best to change the picture to one of the IFSC. B. M. L. Peters (talk) 01:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Financial Services Centre 

message: Why was the Gdp,gdp per capita and more downgraded by so much from 594bil to 516bil 51.37.39.180 (talk) 06:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Down grade of the economy