Talk:Mini Moke

message: The Mini article is in the Wikipedia:Peer review process - perhaps heading towards Featured Article status.  I would greatly appreciate experts on the Moke taking a look at it.  (If you find a problem, please either fix it or post your concerns on the Talk:Mini page.  TIA SteveBaker 20:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your help requested 

message: I've put this article in for WP:PR - once we've dealt with any comments, I'll put it up for WP:GAC. SteveBaker 22:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have had a read through the article and have made a few minor tweaks.  It looks pretty good to me. A couple of questions:
*Was it based specifically on the Austin Mini rather than the Morris or BMC Mini?
** Yeah - I wondered about that.  I don't see what is specifically 'Austin' about the Moke - after all, the Mini was identical in Austin and Morris versions.  However, that is what my reference said.  Of course references aren't always right! SteveBaker 18:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review please. 

message: This article is looking great a little more information and mabye one extra picture and then it should be a good article. GREAT WORK.Senators 00:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great 

message: I've put this article up for Good Article candidacy.  If you havn't contributed significantly - feel free to comment over at WP:GAC. SteveBaker 17:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:GAC 

message: The Portuguese subsidiary wasn't called "Automoveis". That just means "automobiles" in Portuguese, the full name was British Leyland Automóveis Portugal, shortened to British Leyland Portugal in conversation, and the company was renamed Austin Rover Portugal in 1983. --Pc13 19:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really?!  Wow!  I didn't know that.  I've looked back through some books - and yeah - once you know what it means, things like "the Automoveis factory" just as easily mean "the Car factory".  OK - thanks for the correction! SteveBaker 00:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The article had been vandalised.  It's fixed now. SteveBaker 15:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Leyland in Portugal 

message: Nice small article for a small car. I didn't know about this car before, but the prose of this article is good enough for me to understand about the subject. The article is also well-referenced. I even don't know what else to improve. Perhaps, if this article wants to go for FA, some of my suggestions would be: more information about its sales and criticism. Anyway, it's a good article. Good job! — Indon (reply) — 23:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks!  Yeah - the article definitely needs to be a lot longer to make FA.  It's hard to know what else to say about it without adding bloat.  I'll see what else I can dig up about sales & criticism.  Most criticism was from the Military - there's a lot written about that so I can probably find some more there.   I have three more books on order - we'll see what they show up. SteveBaker 04:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passed GA 

message: ::Suggestion:  Later Mokes had galvanized steel construction because the early ones were plagued with rust.  When did the galvanized bodies appear? Bushcutter (talk) 09:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure - but it would be a good thing to mention.  I'll see if I can find out. SteveBaker (talk) 13:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galvanized steel 

message: (Copied from /Comments subpage June 19, 2013)
I rated it as a B-Class article because it is quite short and there are references but not inline references. I think the history section is very good. James086Talk | Contribs 03:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your comments.  I can certainly fix the references to make them inline - and when Amazon.com gets around to shipping my christmas presents (!) I should be able to add some more references.  As for the length - well, I can try to find some more things to say - but because the Moke's engine, wheels, suspension, etc is 100% that of a Mini - I'd rather refer people to that article rather than to try to duplicate that information.  Aside from those things, there isn't a whole lot more to say.  I don't like to pad out an article with either filler, trivia or unnecessary detail.  IMHO, the article is the length it is because we've pretty much said what needs to be said.  SteveBaker 20:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The article is now quite a bit longer (I read a bunch of Moke books over Xmas) - it has more references and they are inlined in the modern style.  I have put it up for WP:GA - but there is a huge backlog there and I don't see a lot of people working on decreasing the backlog - so that decision may not be made for a while yet.  Meanwhile, I wonder if you'd consider an A-Class rating for the article. SteveBaker 17:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''B-Class''' 14 December 2006

message: At 17kB, the article is a little short for a Featured Article - but it covers all the bases and it's unlikely that there will ever be much more added to it simply because there isn't all that much left to say!
So I guess it's now or never - I'll put it up for WP:FAC tonight.
SteveBaker 03:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article Attempt. 

message: Woohoo!  Mini Moke is now a featured article!  Many thanks to all who contributed! SteveBaker 22:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First the Mini, now this. Funny how so much work had been put into both topics. - Two hundred percent 18:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is that funny? Leebo T/C 18:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah - it's not funny - and it's no coincidence.  I happen to love both cars - and I have a large stack of books to use as references in writing about them.  MINI (BMW) is next - but sadly, not much has been written about it yet. SteveBaker 23:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Isn't that irrelevant if you don't have a complaint about the actual body of the article? What in it would have kept you from supporting? Leebo T/C 19:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not so much that we are short on FA's as short on FAC reviewers. SteveBaker 23:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passed FA! 

message: The Mini Moke article is scheduled to be on the Wikipedia front-page on March 12th...although sometimes they make last-minute changes in the line-up and due to whatever timezone the guy who maintains the front page is in, sometimes the article appears the preceding day and vanishes later in the day - sometimes it shows up late and hangs around until the following day.  SteveBaker 17:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify, the front page is automatically updated (at 00:00 UTC). Any delays'll be due to an uncleared cache, rather than tardiness on the part of an admin :) GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 03:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See also Wikipedia:Bypass your cache Raul654 04:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah - it would be nice to have more about that - but it belongs in the British Leyland article - not this one. SteveBaker 23:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the front page! 

message: Please excuse this rant...
Twice since this article has been on the front page, people have changed the very first sentence to say that the Moke is an 'automobile' - it originally said 'vehicle' - which I firmly believe to be the most appropriate term.  I have reverted in both cases - so now is the time for me to explain why.
There are two reasons not to use the word 'automobile' to describe the Mini Moke:
# The article is about a British topic and is written in British English.  We Brits don't use the word 'Automobile' - so it's flat-out inappropriate to use it here.  Wikipedias guidelines for the use of national dialects is very clear on this matter.  So you can't call it an automobile - full-stop. (That's "period" for those of you on the other side of the Atlantic ocean!)
# The definition of the word 'automobile' does not include 'light truck' or 'beach buggy' - it means (roughly) 'passenger car'.  This is a firmly established fact that has been debated at huge length (including me quoting the definitions in 14 different dictionaries!) - please check out the discussion on Talk:Automobile and it's reprise on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles (you may need to hunt back through the archives).  I'm not going to repeat that debate here - but the bottom line is that the word 'automobile' means more or less exactly 'a passenger car with 2 to 6 seats' - the definition in almost every dictionary I could find specifically excludes vehicles made primarily for reasons other than the transport of passengers.  Since the Moke was often delivered with only one seat - this makes it very definitely not an automobile.  Most Americans believe (incorrectly) that the word encompasses light trucks, SUV's, small panel vans, maybe jeeps and other off-road vehicles...but it doesn't.  Please learn to use your own language with precision!
So - under no curcumstances change 'vehicle' to 'automobile'.  If there is another alternative word to 'vehicle', we can consider it - but the Moke's weird history (Military transport?  Farm truck?  Delivery van?  Beach buggy?) makes it hard to put a more precise label on it and 'vehicle' is about the most neutral term I could come up with.
Thank you!  SteveBaker 15:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automobile or Vehicle? 

message: The caption for the photo in the "Australian Mokes" section reads "Austin Mini Moke" and the Moke in the photo has "Austin" above the grille . Mokes were sold in Australia as Morris Mini Mokes and later as Leyland Mokes but never as Austin Mini Mokes. For this reason I would suggest that the photo is not a good one to use in this section. GTHO 22:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of Austin Mini Moke in "Australian Mokes" section 

message: Hey folks
any interest in a subsection in relation to railway mokes - three railways in Australia used them - Commonwealth Railways, WA Govt Railways and Tasmanian G Railways- am happy to have a go Sulzer55 (talk) 11:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  have added some material in relation to these mokes! Sulzer55 (talk) 07:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railway Mokes 

message: Hi,
since i've got a early British Moke and the Goldportfolio Book from Tim Nuttail.
I know there are some (minor) bugs in the book.
A early English Moke had the gearing from the Van - just open an original Gearbox and count the sprockets ;-)
If you don't believe - dismantle another.
The Moke and the Van are lighter than the Saloon so the Saloon had other Shocks at the rear than Moke & Van.
Jks69 (talk) 17:28, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shared Parts from the Mini (Saloon) 

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