Talk:Barry O'Farrell

message: This section appears to only cover the high points in O'Farrell's time as opposition leader. The whole article reads like it was written by the Liberal Party, but this is the most important section to get right. Nick-D (talk) 07:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nick-D has already gone quite a way in cleaning up the Liberal bias in the article. Timeshift (talk) 10:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

text: The entire section doesn't mention a single setback, any criticisms of his actions/polices [for instance, the editorials in the SMH and The Australian saying that the opposition isn't much better than the Government] or responses to his arguments from the Government. That's a bit of an oversight for an article on any politician. Nick-D (talk) 11:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Ok, no Australian opposition leaders. But you really should pull back a bit on your Liberal bias Stravin... it's not pretty. Timeshift (talk) 11:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I never said HMLO was incorrect. I simply said it wasn't in common use in Australian politics articles on wikipedia. Leader of the Opposition is what is commonly used, and acceptable. There is no need for HMLO. I suggest if you wish HMLO to be used all over the oz politics pages, that you gain consensus for it. And there's a massive difference between liberalism and Liberal Party ideology - modern Labor is more liberal than the Liberal Party. But yes, that's for another time. Timeshift (talk) 12:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

text: But it's pointless on this page. The full HMLO title is given in the lead at Opposition (Australia). It could also be woven in somewhere at Leader of the Opposition (New South Wales). But no opposition leaders in Australia have HMLO, so there's no reason why it needs to be on here. I'm just arguing for consistency's sake. Why you're so intent on the full HMLO title for this page, which is such a triviality, has me baffled. Timeshift (talk) 12:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opposition leader section 

message: O'Farrells children are not elected to parliament. They do not have to be named or for the extreme morons their middle names published. They are under 18 and are still at school. If you think it is fair to have their names there have a look at Kevin Rudd's article it doesn't have his childrens names on his article or Malcolm Turnbull's article, his childrens middle names are not there. Or even the president of the United States of America, Barack Obama it does not state his childrens middle names either. 
Please stop undoing my edits to protect there privacy. Watchover  —Preceding undated comment added 06:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What exists or doesn't exist in other articles is not relevant. This is an encyclopaedia and while we required to do many things, like maintaining a neutral point of view, protecting someone's privacy is not one of them. Threee editors have now opposed your removal of this information. Please do not continue to delete it. Wikipedia uses consensus and so far it appears that consensus is to retain the information. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "so far it appears that consensus is to retain the information." No it doesn't; there is no consensus. The guy who doesn't sign his posts is adamant that the information shouldn't be there. The children have no place in the encyclopaedia anyway, since they're not notable. I remember an argument in the David Copperfield (illusionist) article, where it listed his grandfather etc. This is even more ridiculous than the David Copperfield article, since the children are by no means noteworthy and there is the obvious privacy issue.(Huey45 (talk) 10:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pretty basic really. To make contentious changes, you need WP:CONSENSUS, or at least a majority of users agreeing with your position. So far you aren't close to either. Timeshift (talk) 12:39, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Children Section

message: Please see talk:Kristina Keneally for more discussion about this topic. 
Re: Nationality flag in the Nationality section of the info box. Watchover (talk) 09:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While the discussion is in the Kristina Keneally article talk page, I'm in support of no flags as they add no educational value to the article and person. Bidgee (talk) 07:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Flags

message: Has anyone any suggestions to which is the better of the three pictures to be used in the info box. They are all usefull to the article although the 3rd one I suggest would be better suited for the purpose as it is a close up, has less distractions (i.e does not posses a sign [picture one], does not have a big red box reading 'FIRE HOSE REEL' nor an obscure lamp and brick work in the picture [picture two]. Also the third picture when compared to the second is not revealing anything unusual in the crutch region similar to that of a cameltoe as seen in the 2nd picture. It is also of better quality of the three with less shade interference and is a close up, allowing the viewer to recognise the individuals facial and body size. Cactus1974 (talk) 11:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Then there is the "magic watch" that mysteriously jumps from his left wrist to his right wrist between pics 1 and 3. If you can reverse pic 3 then I think it is the best option, without shadow or distracting background. WWGB (talk) 12:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have raised some concerns about the editor to an Admin. I do have other photos (Trying to locate my High res photos) but did find one mid res (which I've cropped). Bidgee (talk) 13:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I support pic#4 in principle, however, it requires more work to separate the shirt from the background. WWGB (talk) 11:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No support from me, overexposed. Bidgee (talk) 11:52, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still looking for the other DVD (as I used two memory cards on the day), only one image from the one I found is ok (have uploaded the high res cropped over the mid res). Also Cactus1974 is a sock of Stravin/Watchover. Bidgee (talk) 13:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  What has a blocked user got to do with the photos. I found a reference for the photos  photo four is my choice if it is cleaned up to something like pic three. Photo five is useless compared to the others as it is not front on, so between four, three and two in that order. 124.179.0.131 (talk) 08:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You shouldn't be posting a picture that you've manipulated. It goes against the whole principle underlying a photograph. You are giving a falsified view of the world. Your picture has him wearing his watch on the wrong arm. The encyclopaedia should contain real photographs only. You're lying to us about the extent of your changes anyway. There's part of a man's head sticking out from behind the leg but the size of the head indicates that he can't possibly have been standing behind Barry O'Farrell.(Huey45 (talk) 10:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this in regards to flipping images? Personally I don't think images should be flipped, but if there's a compelling reason, I don't see a big issue. Flipping doesn't change an image in the way that typical "photoshopping" does. Timeshift (talk) 12:39, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  info box picture 

message: Should this be included? Timeshift (talk) 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not unless it develops into anything important. Nick-D (talk) 08:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ranga 

message: There has been recent discussion about these two photographs for the infobox. I must say that I prefer the second photo. It is closer, more open and informs more about the subject. Moreover, he looks so glum in the first photo. Any other opinions? WWGB (talk) 13:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further infobox photo discussion 

message: Others may have noticed that I created an editnotice regarding O'Farrell not being Premier until sworn in by the Governor (see :Template:Editnotices/Page/Barry O'Farrell).  Given that there appear to be similar problems with the addition of "Premier-elect", perhaps we should form a consensus around the use of this title, and whether the editnotice should be changed to reflect this consensus.  -- Lear's Fool 02:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The edit notice was a good idea, but I think we will just have to tough this out until BOF is sworn in. The same thing happened when Rudd became PM. Well-meaning but uninformed editors think they need to update the Premier info asap. WWGB (talk) 02:18, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

text: We seem to go through this same discussion all over again every time there's a change of government anywhere in Australia.  What you say is true about there being no official status as "premier-elect".  But unofficially, and colloquially, and for practical purposes, B O'F is indeed the premier-elect.  It would be unthinkable for the Governor to invite anyone but him to become Premier.  The millions who voted for his party did so in the expectation that he and he alone would become the Premier, and in their eyes, he is now the Premier in all but name until he's sworn in, i.e  Premier-elect.  The term is very widely used in the media and in the general community in these periods.  We don't need some act of parliament to allow us to use very widely-used political terminology.  Last question: He is not the Premier yet, and should not be shown as such until he's actually sworn in. --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 03:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My problem with Premier-elect is that there is no election, in parliament, the party or the electorate, for the position of Premier. The Leader is elected by the parliamentary party, but the Premiership flows as a consequence of the party's majority. In view of the apparent acceptance of the term Prime Minister-designate, perhaps we could use Premier-designate? WWGB (talk) 03:31, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The -designate suffix is used for people announced as the next governor or governor-general.  They are appointed to the post, i.e. designated without ever being elected.  The -elect suffix is used for elected offices.  The governor has not yet called on BOF to form a government, so even if we wanted to use the premier-designate terminology (which I don't), it's not yet time.  So what is he till then?  It's true that in Australia we don't have a US presidential system where the president is directly elected by the people (technically, that doesn't apply even there, because they elect the Electoral College, which in turn elects the President - but let's not quibble).  But in practical terms, people who voted Labor yesterday did so in the hope that KK would continue as premier, and those who voted Liberal did so in the hope that BOF would become premier.  Those were the only two possible outcomes here.  People in Byron Bay or Bourke would say "I voted for Keneally", or "I voted for O'Farrell", when actually they voted for whoever their local candidates were.  In that sense, it's as close to a direct election for premier as we're likely to get, and the reality is that BOF has been elected premier and is therefore currently the premier-elect.  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 03:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Premier/Premier-elect 

message: The statement recently added "O'Farrell's first marriage was to xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx in 1987, but the union lasted for less than a year and he seeks to maintain the privacy of his former wife.[46][47]"
Respecting a BLP's privacy is important. The naming his first wife is unnecessary in the context of this article. I note that both cites (tabloid media) also name his first wife. I have removed this statement. CamV8 (talk) 11:54, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored the sentence without the name.  I think at least that is required for a good biography (especially since it's the context for a dispute in parliament).  Reliable sources should not be removed because *they* name someone.  This clearly complies with WP:WELLKNOWN, and I still think the reliable sources justify using a name per WP:BLPNAME, but I'm happy to leave it if editorial consensus is against.   --99of9 (talk) 11:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course a spouse or ex-spouses name should be included, that's just common sense and is the norm for all political leader articles. Timeshift (talk) 05:05, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Privacy

message: Premier O'Farrell lives in Turramurra. Reliable source http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/members.nsf/0/275291281FA0F28E4A2567450001658A  CamV8 (talk) 03:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resides 

message: States: "In 1985, O'Farrell was employed as Chief of Staff for Bruce Baird, a cabinet minister in the New South Wales government." However the Greiner Government was not elected until 1988, when Bruce Baird was first appointed a Minister. Suggest 1985 should read 1988. Katieqs (talk) 05:28, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Early life section

message: I suggest removing:
:During a visit to Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates in May 2012, O'Farrell was awarded an Honorary Doctorate from the Lebanese Maronite Order Université Saint-Esprit de Kaslik. In receiving the honour, O'Farrell said:[49] "This Honorary Doctorate from a renowned university honours the relationship between the people of NSW and the people of Lebanon, as much as it does any individual. It is therefore particularly humbling to receive it. I sincerely hope that my current visit to Lebanon conveys the high esteem in which the Government and people of NSW hold the Lebanese community, and reflects my desire to foster an even closer and more productive relationship, including in the field of education."
He got an honorary doctorate and said something nice on the occasion, as one does.  Maybe a brief mention in a "community relations" subsection (compare the structure of the article Bob Carr).  But of course we should mention this award in an "Awards" section.  Wikiain (talk) 01:31, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanese honorary doctorate 

message: THis section is not quite right. The note was given to the Telegraph firstly, and a copy to ICAC. There was no way ICAC could then ignore it, even though they wanted to. Watson expressed regret over the $3000 bottle of wine affair. Yet Watson had belittled MacDonald in public for the $500 services of Tiffany. Unlike MacDonald and Obeid, O'Farrell is a proven liar. The source of the note is still a mystery.220.240.251.230 (talk) 05:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a place for blasphemy against others. If you have a claim or statement to make, please back it in up with links to sources. Also consider bold editing backed with references. Others will either agree or disagree and progress will be made. Rangasyd (talk) 09:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank You Note 

message: a bunch of changes were made, changing verbs to past tense etc.  apparently his status has changed,  sourced content needs to be introduced explaining that before all those changes are made. Jytdog (talk) 12:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: He retired fromn parliament before the election - see . --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 12:09, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks that makes sense.  my revert was just an abundance of caution since this is a BLP and the changes were made with no edit notes.  thanks for taking the time to write that, Jytdog (talk) 13:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  change in status? 

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