Talk:Walter Mondale

message: The Carter-Mondale administration is well-remembered as the most beleaguered period in the 20th century. Every American recalls the days of double-digit inflation, interest rates of 20 percent, double-digit unemployment and gas lines that stretched several city blocks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Poor (talk • contribs) 14:56, 5 November 2002 (UTC)
replies: text: The "most beleagured period in the 20th century"?  Give me a break.  I am no fan of Carter and I didn't vote for him, but that writer from the Washington Times is a moron, or at least badly misinformed  First of all, unemployment was not at a double-digit level during the Carter Administration, so right off the bat this person doesn't know what they were talking about.  In fact, unemployment at one point under Reagan reached the highest level since the Great Depression, and it was certainly higher than it was under Carter, and even then it wasn't at a double-digit level.  If you want to describe the "most beleagured" period in the twentieth century, I'd say that the Great Depression beats any other period by a mile.  If this is the level of intellectual discourse that comes from the Washington Times, then I'd say that we can safely ignore that newspaper as a source of information.  soulpatch — Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 5 November 2002 (UTC)
replies: text: Hurrah!  Let's hear it for well-reasoned rebuttal.  American journalists do have a tendency for overstatement. Good job, soul.  Stormwriter — Preceding undated comment added 17:08, 5 November 2002 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a great admirer of Ed Poor who posted this, but that paper is published by the Unification Church and is notorious for right-wing  propaganda (as opposed to challenging conservatism).  Ortolan88 — Preceding undated comment added 17:11, 5 November 2002 (UTC)

text: Okay, I started a David Bossie article. He sounds like a crank, and I'm (A) a bit embarrassed that I quoted him in the first place and (B) glad soulpatch backstopped me before I put Bossie's drivel in the Walter Mondale article -- I hate it when someone has to revert one of my edits, so I try to put in only useful stuff. --Ed Poor — Preceding undated comment added 21:32, 5 November 2002 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Ed.  soulpatch — Preceding undated comment added 06:12, 6 November 2002 (UTC)
thread_title: Most beleaguered period

message: User:128.253.117.70 deliberately added false material. How do I know? See . - Ta bu shi da yu 22:38, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Test" or As I Call It: "Vandalism" 

message: Reagan died on 06/05/04; his opponent in the 1984 election died on 06/04/05. Georgia guy 23:37, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: To what opponent do you refer? Mondale is still alive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.68.178 (talk) 00:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't this funny?? 

message: Schissel said that it was not a coincidence that Mondale recontested his old Senate seat following the death of Senator Wellstone. He said it was not a coincidence because he is from that State and each State have two Senators. I think he is wrong in his reasoning why it is not a coincidence. Mondale was asked to replace Wellstone on the ballot at the urging of Wellstone's relatives. That is why it is not a coincidence and not because of him being from the state and it having two Senators. --The Shadow Treasurer 04:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No coinidence 

message: I added a sentence about subcommittees he chaired.  Tooptoo 16:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congressional committees 

message: The article says he was a half-brother of Rev Lester Mondale, but gives them the same two parents, making them full brothers. - Nunh-huh 23:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Resolved by Foobaz.  Thank you.  (Children of Theodore Sigvaard MONDALE and Claribel Hope COWAN are: Walter Frederick ("Fritz") MONDALE was born 5 Jan 1928 in Ceylon, Minnesota. Children of Theodore Sigvaard MONDALE and Jessie Alice LARSON are: Robert Lester MONDALE was born 28 May 1904 in Walnut Grove, Gales Twp, Redwood, MN.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Appraiser (talk • contribs) 13:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradition 

message: I think the reference is interesting, but could we balance it off a little by saying it's unlikely?  Not an uncited opinion that it's unlikely, but does anyone know of a quote where he condemns the possibility of Soviet subversion or something? CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 05:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Dad! 

message: Something I noticed immediately after the 2002 election - and have not seen anywhere (Though I am sure many others realized it also).
After the 2002 election - Mondale became the first person to lose a statewide election in all 50 states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.128.56 (talk) 03:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure why this fact keeps getting removed.  It's completely true though some seem to think it's negative information.  Why not just remove the fact that he lost the 1984 election in a landslide?  That's negative. Paco 07:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact is true, but not unique to Mondale.  One could write the same thing about Nader, Buchanan, Anderson, etc.  --Appraiser 15:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Were Nader, Buchanan, and Anderson on all 50 states' ballots?  I know Perot was... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.31.101 (talk) 16:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: He's the only major party candidate to do so in recent years. Paco 20:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Things that editors notice are not appropriate content for Wikipedia, which is based on reliable sources, not original research. -- Jibal (talk) 01:25, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

text: I just read the article and noticed this. IMO, this is still too trivial for the article. If anything, I would move it to a footnote, but I would favor removing it. Knope7 (talk) 01:53, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bit of Trivia 

message: I'm removing this sentence which is so unqualified as to be meaningless: "Mondale is noted for being the only person ever to lose a statewide election in every state, having lost 49 of 50 states in the 1984 election (carrying only Minnesota), then losing the 2002 Minnesota Senatorial election."
Ross Perot?  Ralph Nader? 70.179.20.157 (talk) 02:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, it's back.  To whomever put it back:  Either fix it so it's not false, or stop putting it back.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.20.157 (talk) 03:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see that Perot was on the ballot in all 50 states, when was Nader on the ballot in all 50 states?  I can only find 43 states for Nader.  So Mondale was one of two, possibly three people to lose in all 50 states, how about correcting it instead of deleting it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.181.254.13 (talk) 13:48, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Losing an election in every state 

message: This article abruptly jumps from Mondale's early pre-political career to the vice-presidency, with absolutely no details on his Senatorial career.  How did he get into politics?  How did he come to succeed Humphrey?  What did he do as a Senator to become a viable candidate for VP?  Hopefully someone with material to reference can update the article to fill in this major gap. JFMorse (talk) 13:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, this article is really bad for leaving out his entire Senate career. noobs  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.69.101 (talk) 00:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree: By now, a simple listing of the Senate committees he served on was added, but "Where's the Beef?" If you read the ratings criteria for the Biography and Minnesota projects, reasonable completeness is required for a B, so this drops it to a C. The exception is the US presidential elections project; from a reading of their ratings, they apparently "grade on a curve", so that significant article problems can still earn a B. JustinTime55 (talk) 20:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Detail

message: The lead says: "In the Senate he supported open housing, tax reform and the desegregation of schools. He opposed United States involvement in the Vietnam War." None of this is mentioned in the article. I was able to add meat about another topic: his witch-hunt of NASA after the Apollo fire (appropriately NPOV, of course.) It needs to be balanced with his other Senate accomplishments. JustinTime55 (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "Where's the beef?"

message: I notice that the article uses the term Apollo 204 to refer to Mondale's involvement in that investigation, rather than the more familiar Apollo 1.  While 204 may be the more historically accurate usage, Apollo 1 is clearly the preferred common usage and the term that the general public would be more familiar with.  I made the change, but on the request of another editor, reverted my edit.  I will leave the issue on the talk page for consensus. Safiel (talk) 19:56, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Safiel. For everyone's benefit, I will repeat below the arguments for 204 I posted on your talk page. I just think it will confuse readers less who are looking for historical verification of the committee, which used the 204 name. But I'm certainly willing to abide by consensus. JustinTime55 (talk) 16:44, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "It does not matter, in the context of Walter Mondale's Senate career, that the planned Apollo mission that ended in tragedy before it began, is today commonly (and officially) known as Apollo 1. "The Apollo 204 Accident" is historically more correct, as that was the official title of the Senate committee's report. This, in turn, was taken from NASA's own designation of its "Apollo 204 Accident Review Board". Even though the astronauts wore "Apollo 1" on their patches, NASA managers had not come to terms with solidifying a naming scheme and were still thinking in terms of "204". The official redesignation of the mission as Apollo 1 (April 25, 1967) was made after their review board issued its final report (April 5), and the Senate of course took all year to finalize their investigation of NASA, all the time using 204. Readers can follow the wikilink to the Apollo 1 article and see the explanation of all this. Please consider the reversion of your edit. JustinTime55 (talk) 19:01, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems the name used by the crew, the current official name, and the name in most common usage is Apollo 1. The common usage alone, even without the other two factors, should be enough to indicate use of Apollo 1 in Wikipedia articles. Users who are reading the article for reasons other than to look for historical verification of the committee are more likely to be confused by a section title of "Apollo 204 accident" followed by a "Main article" name of "Apollo1". Any confusion caused the single-purpose readers you posit can be easily alleviated by recasting "while testing the Apollo 204 spacecraft" as "while testing the Apollo 1 spacecraft (originally designated Apollo 204 by NASA)" and possibly adding a later reference to the actual title of the report, which with the earlier bracketed comment would be easily understood. Fat&Happy (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apollo 204 vs Apollo 1 

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: I listed the actual abbreviation for his law degree and received the following message: "Someone using this IP address ... has made edits to Walter Mondale that do not conform to our policies and therefore have been reverted." What is going on?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:205:200:62A7:ED31:9BDD:252F:5BA4 (talk) 07:15, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policies? 

message: When you look at the 1984 election debates, Ferraro continually refers to him as "Fritz" but in 2019, I think he's generally referred to as "Walter Mondale". What gives? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 07:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm surprised that someone who spent 18 years adding unsourced claims and speculations to Wikipedia supposedly based on "common sense" has difficulty with the concept of nicknames. -- Jibal (talk) 02:23, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fritz" 

message: The main picture should be reverted back to the way it was before August 24, 2018. The current version is worse. The subject (mondale) is not centered, leaving awkward extra space at the top. Mondale is also slouched on their side. The main picture before August 24, 2018 is centered, zoomed in to focus on the subject, and has better lighting. We give good pictures for Gerald Ford, FDR, Reagan, etc.. why not Mondale? 2601:249:880:B290:A9F1:89A3:BC34:392C (talk) 03:13, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current picture issues 

message: Bernspeed (talk) 14:57, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I made an edit with another picture of Mondale. The user was not extended confirmed and reverted my edit. The description gave a reason. Can I put the more recent picture of the old man back? Bernspeed (talk) 23:25, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm the one who made the edit in question so I suppose it's fair I turn up. I am fairly new to editing wikipedia so I apologize if I acted in error by making the change. My feeling, as I attempted to explain in my edit, is that if you look at other living ex-politicians, from Jimmy Carter through George W. Bush, the relevant pages use official images from their time in office rather than a more recent picture for the infobox. Incidentally, Joe Biden is also currently the same way. Keeping Mondale's portrait from his vice presidency is consistent with this standard. Maybe we could keep Vice President Mondale at the top and restore your image elsewhere in the article? FN17 (talk) 02:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture? 

message: Fritz was and is Walter's commonly accepted nickname and that should be restored to this article. See the above user noting Geraldine Ferraro's frequent usage of it during the 1984 election debates, the 2008 documentary about Mondale's life, titled Fritz: The Walter Mondale Story, and both the United States Senate's (https://www.senate.gov/about/officers-staff/vice-president/VP_Walter_Mondale.htm) and the Minnesota Historical Society's (https://www.mnhs.org/mondale) attributions of the nickname. Until recently it was featured, when a singular edit removed it: "Fritz is a common European nickname for Frederick. In addition, in modern times, he's usually referred to as just Walter Mondale" which is subjective and spurious reasoning for removing something of both historical and contemporary relevance. I propose that particular edit be reverted, and the opening line restored to Walter Frederick "Fritz" Mondale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.38.250.148 (talk) 05:54, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . Notable enough nickname. Just because Fredrick can be shortened to Fritz doesn't mean every Fredrick uses the nickname. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

text: The person who noted Geraldine Ferraro's frequent use of "Fritz" is the same person who removed it from the article ... he is known for a long (18 year) history of unsourced edits and was permanently banned for that. -- Jibal (talk) 02:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2020 

message: In my opinion, the 'See also' section of this article should contain relevant links as it is currently empty and in my opinion it is pointless having an empty tab within the article. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 00:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 'See also' section of the article should contain relevant links 

message: Reference #52 ("Walter Mondale, Minnesota Native And Former Vice President, Dies At 93". CBS Minnesota. April 19, 2020.") Should be April 2021, not 2020. Zeta6 (talk) 01:22, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Elli (talk | contribs) 02:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2021 

message: Walter Mondale passed away on April 19th, 2021. 69.122.99.226 (talk) 01:34, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done Elli (talk | contribs) 02:06, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2021 (2) 

message: The article says "Mondale became the oldest living former U.S. vice president after the death of George H. W. Bush in 2018." I suggest changing it to "Mondale was the oldest living former U.S. vice president from the death of George H. W. Bush in 2018 to his death in 2021." I would make this change myself, but I have not made the required edits yet.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BasileusBlaz (talk • contribs) 02:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded the sentence in the lead - better now? Elli (talk | contribs) 02:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The problematic sentence was not in the lead. I've changed it (before seeing your comment) to say "At the time of his death, Mondale was the oldest living U.S vice president"; it seems to me that GHWB is no longer relevant. Frankly, I think that whole paragraph on longevity is irrelevant trivia that doesn't really have anything to do with the "1980 Election" caption. Since you, Elli, make numerous contributions to this page, I will leave it up to you to make that judgment, or to reword it in accordance with your change to the lead. -- Jibal (talk) 02:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article implies that Mondale is the oldest living former Vice President still 

message: He attended the 1980 Hockey Olympics. The plane was a VC-131H belonging to VR-48a Navy squadron out of Andrews. The flight attendant served him a submarine sandwich bought at a local sub shop outside of Andrews. He literally threw it back at him saying "I'm not eating this shit".  
God has a sense of humor, the plane lost the engine driven compressor which supplied both pressurization and heat. I know this to be fact, I was the Flight Engineer that flew a replacement plane to Lake Placid the next day and heard the story first have from the crew. 216.145.95.200 (talk) 02:56, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool story, bro. But Wikipedia isn't about everything. Wyliepedia @ 05:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  1) An edit request should include the precise change that is being proposed. 2) Something that an anonymous person claims to have heard "first hand" from other anonymous persons is not appropriate material for Wikipedia, which is based on reliable sources. 3) Perhaps you mean the ice hockey tournament at the 1980 Winter Olympics, as there's no such thing as the "1980 Hockey Olympics". 4) Even if this story were true, such trivia has no place in this article. 5) The existence of God has not been established ... certainly not by this tale. 6) Nothing about a plane losing a compressor is funny. 7) There's no causal connection between throwing a sandwich and losing a compressor. 8) Please restrict yourself to serious requests that would improve the article, are within Wikipedia policy, and would not obviously be rejected out of hand. -- Jibal (talk) 18:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: 9) VR-48 wasn't established until (and the VC-131H's didn't return to Andrews until) October 1, 1980 or seven months after the end of the Winter Olympics. Rather suggests the entire story is full of soil amendments. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2021 (3) 

message: Could someone put back the fact that he became the fourth VP in four years as I find it worth noting.49.3.72.79 (talk) 19:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Put back fourth VP in four years 

message: Not sure where to put this, but should be Heron Lake, not Blue Lake. Milkbone74 (talk) 03:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Heron Lake

message: Blue Lake is incorrect. Should be Heron Lake. Milkbone74 (talk) 03:36, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2022 

message: -
At the bottom of the article in the political party offices succession boxes, for the senate nominees, please change the links so it refers to the articles for the specific elections, as shown below.
 2601:241:300:B610:EC7D:B577:B3CA:F6F9 (talk) 12:46, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: — CAPTAIN JTK (talk) 13:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2022 

message: Please add the following succession box to the political party succession boxes at the bottom of the article:
 2601:249:9301:D570:B0E2:C1BF:FF06:4C5A (talk) 05:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a version with sources:
http://www.leg.state.mn.us/archive/sessions/electionresults/1958-11-04-g-man.pdf
2601:249:9301:D570:94C8:FDEC:32D0:CDE4 (talk) 23:00, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: Neither source supports the claim that Mondale was the nominee. I'm trying to wrangle the Blue Book into the citation template, so once that gets itself worked out I'll add the infobox myself. casualdejekyll 19:26, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2022