Talk:Fifth Generation Computer Systems

message: yonot disputing the conclusions, but some of the language in this article doesn't seem exactly NPOV.
--Chronodm 12:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV?

message: i don't know if this is intended, but the follow-the-leader link directs to the page on the marching band move.Tobias087 01:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  link 

message: The POV is slightly less that neutral.  There are subtle cultural problems, and a degree of revisionism inherent in what has been written here.  I can tell you that workstations were an afterthought in the period between 1982-1984.  Architectural decisions in Japan at the time were more slant toward mainframes.  The article is missing 2 of the 3 basic key ideas Moto-Oka and others took away with some the FCGS conference:
1) Data flow (Jack Dennis' ideas),
2) Prolog (which the article has, and I am not clear with Warren was at the meeting like Jack was), and
I think,yeah man
3) Knowledge bases (Feigenbaum?).
Those were starting ideas, but Moto-Oka's book should be examined for these.  These were somewhat alarming at the time to USA-ians.  Also the project should also not be confused with a similar Japanese superspeed project (Science article).  I am not clear where I would begin editing minus Moto-Oka's book.
--enm ~21:00, 8 Aug 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: The first paragraph seems that the redirects and page title are wrong here:  
:The Fifth Generation Computer Systems project (FGCS) was an initiative by Japan's Ministry of International Trade and Industry, begun in 1982, to create a "fifth generation computer" (see history of computing hardware).   
This implies that this page should be called "Fifth Generation Computer Systems project" or something similiar.  It seems to indicate that "Fifth generation computer" should point to "history of computing hardware".  In fact, the other "nth generation computer" articles already redirect to that article.   Any thoughts? -- ShinmaWa(talk) 00:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move

message: The "failure" chapter reads:
the internet enabled locally stored databases to become distributed; even simple research projects provided better real-world results in data mining, Google being a good example
This is an anachronism. Google was founded sixteen years after the start of the FGP. Are there any contemporary examples of simple research project outperforming the FPG in their own field? 
:Someone edited this to omit the reference to Google (good), but it still reads:
:During its lifespan... the internet enabled locally stored databases to become distributed
:If I'm not mistaken, this didn't happen before 1992 (the end of the 5th Gen Project) either. The ARPAnet existed at that time, and I guess you could say the early Internet, but afaik there were no databases distributed over the internet. (I'm also unclear why distributed databases would render the 5th Gen project antiquated even if they had existed back then, but maybe there's a connection I'm missing.) At the very least, this claim needs a citation. Mcswell (talk) 23:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Anachronisms?

message: I think the article had a self-link, which I removed. What was the purpose of the self-link? If it did have a purpose, you can revert me, thanks. Sofia Koutsouveli (talk) 03:22, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-link 

message: The list of references no longer even cites the original 5th Gen report in 1982 in favor of a 2nd hand report by Shapiro (not to malign Ehud who is innocent of this). Is this the result of a supposedly neutral view point? It's clearly not written by Asians or probably even people people who have been to Asia (Japan specifically). I expect to see cited Jack Dennis who was responsible for convincing the Japanese to go with Dataflow architectures, Ed Feigenbaum for expert systems (another dead end), and a third American who name escapes me on the third topic which also escapes me. This is practically a worthless Wikipedia page. I'm ashamed to have to cite it. 67.161.7.73 (talk) 21:38, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  That page has vastly degenerated. 

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