Talk:Military history of Iran

message: I recognize that this article is brief and shallow.  I welcome help in expanding it.  The text is based on the world fact book entry on Iran at [www.cia.gov]. Brainhell 22:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

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message: Sorry for lack of citations (as of now) for the expanded preamble.  Every statement can be supported with one or more citations from fairly well known sources.
Also note that I have mentioned Elam (although I to mention the empire of the Medes) as these are the preeminent pre-Persian kingdoms of Iran, and minimally should be considered in setting the initial context of any discussion of the (military) history of Iran.  
The final sentence can considered as a brief program for the preparatory research and analysis of the topic, if not the actual structure of the article itself, though it certainly could.  
To wit, the current laundry list of the successive states of Iran Zameen is fairly redundant (and certainly unimaginative) given that this is a wiki and not printed text.  This linear order belongs to a summary section of the overall article, with appropriate link(s) to the dynasty's wiki page and a condensed treatment of the relevant matter.  
Either the suggested dimensions of the topic (not necessarily in the given order) or major historic eras (as opposed to dynasties) with (likely) significant events forming the basis of transitional sections between the various eras, would be a significant improvement and (in my (clearly not humble <g>) personal opinion) probably provide a more engaging experience for the reader.
For major military events and topics, such as Alexander the great's conquest of the HakhA-Manesh KhShA'anKhshA and Iran Zameen, obviously a top level section will (or should) exist and exhaustively treated.  This would allow for a brief recap and recording of the said event/topic in the dynasty/timeline list/graphic (<= suggestion).  
For relatively minor events/topics which nevertheless feature prominently in a given dynasty (or major era, e.g. post-Islamic Iran), clearly the relevant section is the happiest of houses.  
Iran's history is the history of a nomadic people's transition to settled civilized order in the immediate periphery of the definitive center of ancient civilized world.  The core area has a varied and robust terrain (at times somewhat extreme in either topography or climate) which (obviously) is also a major variable influencing the emergence of a people capable of fielding armies and realizing significant innovations in the martial arts.  
These facts should be highlighted in the introductory (or) overall remarks on the topic as they have directly impacted the historic referent of the subject matter.  
Thus Horse, Tent, and the influence of (the then recent) nomadic heritage, may explain both the great affinity of ancient Iranian empire of HakhA'Manesh for transportation infrastructure, relay based messaging, and effective use of light cavalry.
The above could form the basis of a major partition along eras in Iran's history, in a second section (as in the following possible order):
- pre-amble
- overview and summary conclusion (the gist)
- eras
I) pre-Aryan peoples and kingdoms of the geographic context in the historic record
1) Elam
2) Media
i) Persians and Medes
ii) Cyrus The Great
II) The rise of Persia and the Persians and the emergence of Arya Shahr as a political place and a national identity
(note: great place to touch on epic/mythic military history of Iran, specifically Shahnameh and personage such as Rostam) given that the mythic wars of Iranians have apparently always been of a somewhat (morally) cosmic scope ..]
1) The Great Expansion: Unification of the core Iranian tribes of Media and Persia and the establishment of the boundaries of the emerging Arya Shahr under the HakhA'Manesh Persian Empire 
The rapid expansion and reordering of conquered lands, with a focus on the military aspects of these events, belongs here.  If technological breakthroughs (such as better swords, swifter (protected) steeds, whatever) belongs here as well.  
But definitely, the character of early Persians (who can be arguably viewed as sane and balanced Spartans) and the core ethics of moral exactitude, discipline, martial exercises, and leadership through merit, and a rare sense, given the historic era and neighboring precedents, of nobles oblige in the Persian elites, all under a very strong (effectively) monotheistic collective spiritual expression and understanding, certainly should be discussed.  
The impressive military actions (and typically longstanding hold on the resultant acquisitions) are nearly inevitable given the facts mentioned.  So is the resultant expression of power in victory which primarily focused on effective reordering and practical integration of culturally independent nations into an Imperial framework held together by a very sophisticated set of tools such as transportation networks, propaganda, civic works, and a tolerant (local) world order.
Historic battles and timelines should be presented here.  Just who was Cyrus (the Great) and what did he accomplish as a King who marched with his armies?  Both he, and distinguished successor Dariush (the Great), were supreme commanders, but they also had recourse to (named) generals who did some of the actual fighting in the rapid fire series of wars and battles by these two Iranian KhshA'anKhshA which quickly established the Perian Empire, and then crushed insurgencies which arose as the initial series of events in the career of Darish the Great, due to an ineffective succession and transfer of power and palace intrigues.
Dariush has a list of his battles and the name of the families which helped his house, all (as he repeatedly asserts in the chorus of the same declaration) due to the will and help of AhurA'Mazda (which means Al-Aziz-Al-Hakeem, btw ..).  Whoever does this section, well, a great topic with wonderfully wide scope and rich characters.  In a military context, of course. 
i) The character and variety of the peoples and military powers engaged
ii) Order, makeup, characteristics, technology, propaganda, expenditures, and effectiveness of the military
(...)
141.157.240.132 02:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: This section is in dire need of editing. Not only is it very repetitive and poorly phrased, but many of the claims made in it seem to be contradicted by the reference materiel cited. I'll try and do some digging to try and rework the topic, but some additional "citation needed" flags should get stuck in so people aren't so quick to take all this at face value. 
--Jmcanon92 (talk) 21:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Pahlavi Era

message: It should added the outstanding military enforcement made by Sha during '70s. As example, 80 F-14, 223 F-4s, 150 or more F-5, 202 AH-1 Cobra, immense quantities of HAWK, TOW, AAMs. More stuff were 900 Chieftains, M113, BM-21, and a lot more. Plans were even more incredibles: six Spruance SAM destroyers, that actually were the Kidd, 53 F-15, 160 F-16, some E-3s, tracked Rapier SAM, 1450 tanks among them the actual Challenger tank. This was far the most impressive program for all the Area, and its remains were still enough to fight Irak in 1980-88.--Stefanomencarelli 16:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern age military

message: In my most recent edit, I cut all of the lede apart from the first paragraph. The material I deleted was editorializing nationalistic crap of no value - it also looked like a copyvio, though I have no idea where from, so I don't suggest re-adding this. 
As for the rest, the missing sections need filling in according to reliable sources, most importantly. Then a major cutting operation will have to be done, because when these sections are filled in the article will be morbidly obese. Is anyone actively working on completion? 81.99.113.232 (talk) 21:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
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message: Quote: The Kajars are the part of Iranian history whether you like them or not. Telling mean words of them is nothing more than lack of real respect towards the history of your country on your part. What you are talking of Kajars is just another manifestation of so-called "Persian nationalizm". It would be better to leave the history of Iran to western scholars. At least, they know what they are talking and writing about. Unquote.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.21.81.200 (talk) 05:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could anybody name the "victories" of Agha Mohammed-khan Qadjar in battles against Russian troops? Could anybody even list such battles when Agha Mohammed-khan Qadjar even fought Russian troops? Pleas take care, when wrighting such crazy things!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.184.130.82 (talk) 09:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qajar Dynasty came to power through slaughter and plunder of Iranians 

message: "The Khwarezmian dynasty, also known as Khwarezmids or Khwarezm Shahs was a Persianate Sunni Muslim dynasty of Tajik origin."<"reference? name="Shahrbanu">M.A. Amir-Moezzi, "Shahrbanu", Encyclopaedia Iranica, Online Edition, (LINK)ref>
This link does not work and subsequent searches on Encyclopaedia Iranica resulted in no "Shahrbanu" being listed. Can someone either post a reliable link or find a source that states the Khwarazmian dynasty was Tajik. Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:05, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: Doesn't say anything about military history; WP OR texts and soapbox.
:It describes the military of most of Iran's dynasties, and there's no OR here, dozens of sources are at the bottom of the article. Also see: Military history of Iraq, Military history of Italy, etc. Trolling doesn't belong in talk pages. --Qahramani44 (talk) 01:46, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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