Talk:San Francisco Zoo tiger attacks

message: No mention that he appears to have died in 2012, aged 24? - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/93852708/amritpal-dhaliwal  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnycigarettes (talk • contribs) 20:28, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death of Amritpal “Paul” Dhaliwal 

message: :Image:Tiger cage diagram.svg/:Image:Tiger cage diagram.png might be useful. Bawolff (talk) 05:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They would, actually. Just need to know whether the zoo will have its license suspended... —BoL 06:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagram of cage 

message: Um, this article's title has a rather serious case of butchering up the city's name. It's San Francisco, not San Fancisco. Not that I'm from there (Kentucky for me)...
I'm pretty sure the move function, as far as renaming this article to correct name go, is only reserved for administrator and certain people with privileges. I might be wrong, though. Can't be bothered to try now because I'm just too dead tired (past midnight here already... bah humbug!) and is going to catch some giant blocks of Zzzzz's for the night. Now, where's the great Uncle Jimmy Wales when you need him? ;) --Legion (talk) 07:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it to the correct spelling. Zagalejo^^^ 07:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahh... a typo! 

message: This is minor, but I deleted "red" from the description of the patrol car lights.  At least one source said "red", but others haven't and have described shining the lights at the tiger, which might be white search lights, not colored rooftop lights.   I suspect that the reported added "red" without knowing, but that's just my guess.  The article should be neutral if it's uncertain, so I left it as generic "lights".Ccrrccrr (talk) 13:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. --Tom 14:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  (red?) lights 

message: There was no trail of blood at the zoo.  Tatiana is a tiger, she followed the boys to the cafe via her senses.  Looking at the map will show you that she could have a visual of the boys fleeing for more than half the distance that they covered to get to the cafe, once at the end of her last confirmed visual, she could hear/smell the location at the cafe.  Also the pathways at the zoo, create a natural direction towards the cafe, any other direction (being taken by people or tiger) would be somewhat unnatural.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyB415 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trail of Blood 

message: Does this online resource diesn't appear to exist any longer.  In any case, is it credible enough to be quoted in defence of the brothers?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnycigarettes (talk • contribs) 20:14, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  See indiadaily.com 

message: http://www.slate.com/id/2181194/entry/0/fr/rss/
pschemp | talk 22:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Transcript of Police call

message: According to the new york post, the police denied finding a slingshot, and therefore i added these changes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bentzi (talk • contribs) 22:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slingshot claim 

message: Intro to article says 243lbs, later on says 253lbs. Be consistent! 79.68.172.240 (talk) 18:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed this too. Does anyone know which is correct? Kalga (talk) 13:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

text: While researching this today, I saw 243, 253, and 250, all in mainstream sources.  It seems likely to me that the last is a rounding-off, or a compromise by a reporter who, like us, doesn't know which of 243 or 253 is accurate.  —LisaSmall T/C 02:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How big is the tiger? 

message: Just so we know what we are debating, here's the content that was deleted by Deranged B:
:(these references inserted for later reference... Case #2007-1397, Medical Examiner's Register, PDF file.Read Tiger Attack Autopsy, June 2, 2008.  KGO-TV San Francisco, ABC News.)
: The autopsy also revealed that Sousa's blood tested positive for alcohol and marijuana.
and
:Kulbir Dhaliwal, 23, stated to police that the three had smoked marijuana and had drunk vodka on the day of the attack, which toxicology tests confirmed. 
:A partially-filled vodka bottle and marijuana were also found in the 2002 BMW car used by the Dhaliwal brothers on the day of the mauling.
and 
:By the end of the 2008, Kulbir, the elder brother, had been convicted of misdemeanor public drunkenness and resisting arrest. Amritpal was serving a state prison sentence for a parole violation triggered by reckless driving, and had been convicted of shoplifting as well.  
and then later:
:According to police records, Sousa's blood alcohol level was 0.16, and all three involved had marijuana in their system. "Police found a small amount of marijuana in Kulbir Dhaliwal's 2002 BMW, which the victims rode to the zoo, as well as a partially filled bottle of vodka, according to court documents." Also, "police found a partial shoe print that matched Paul Dhaliwal's on top of the railing."http://slaminaevol.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html
:
More comments on this later.Ccrrccrr (talk) 15:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot understand why this should not be included.  We have sources saying these people may have been drunk and high and taunting the tiger, why should this not be included in the article?  It seems like it is original research to say "well we don't know if the drugs and alcohol contributed." when we have reliable sources making the connection for us. --Leivick (talk) 19:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The blog source is completely unusable. The "By the end of the 2008, ..." is completely and utterly irrel to the tiger attack and cannot be included. The CNN reference didnt work for me so I cannot verify any claims sourced to that. Anything you wish to include in the article would need to be adjusted to meet those criteria. -- The Red Pen of Doom 00:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I was thinking similarly--I don't want all of this back in wholesale, but if we cut it down to the most relevant, well supported facts perhaps we can converge.Ccrrccrr (talk) 02:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: These facts are well supported. See the included references, as well as  http://cbs5.com/local/tiger.behavior.experts.2.633569.html, http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/01/18/tiger-attack.htm. Let's see, that's MSNBC, CBS, and CBC. Stop deleting. They are ENTIRELY relevant to this section, the LEGAL INVESTIGATION of the event. Your initial reason of the blog source being completely unusable has been shot down.99.245.37.46 (talk) 12:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Unless you can provide a better reason, I will revert again. Why the victim's behaviour and physical state, as reported by the police in their official report, should be "irrelevant" to the incident is totally beyond me. If that was the case, why did the police even test for it or note it? Why were blood tests permitted to be performed? Nonsense. It is totally unreasonable to remove ALL reference to these facts from the article, as they have been widely reported. 99.245.37.46 (talk) 12:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just cause stuff is in the papers does NOT mean it is appropriate for an encyclopedia article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 12:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: An encyclopedia article about the incident talked about in "the papers"? With a section called "initial investigation"? Not appropriate to hold details about the investigation? ... Please. It's going back.99.245.37.46 (talk) 12:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I put in a version that I think meets RPoD's criteria: non-blog source only, omits the discussion of other legal trouble not directly related to the event.  If people have objections, please be specific, or edit to help make it what you'd like to see.  This is not like the examples on WP:Coatrack--to get there we'd need to either have this consume an excessive portion of the page or wander into general discussion of drugs and/or alcohol.  It does neither.Ccrrccrr (talk) 21:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me - especially since this is precisely the version that I was putting in and having reverted by Red Pen. :)99.245.37.46 (talk) 10:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the only thing I changed is omitting the blog reference and providing complete info for the other reference.Ccrrccrr (talk) 11:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug/alcohol:  the content in question 

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message: See https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Tiger-attack-victims-both-arrested-again-3289988.php   .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.152.188 (talk) 14:56, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  New information 

message: I noticed that this article was in :Category:Deaths by firearm in California. I believe that category is not intended to include non-human deaths, so I have removed the category tag from the article. —BarrelProof (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Deaths by firearm in California 

message: From: documents-reports-on-tiger-attack-at-san-francisco-zoo-december-2007
* Excerpts of reports from the San Francisco Police Department, 
:the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the (CA) Department of Fish and Game 
:concerning a tiger’s escape and its fatal mauling of a visitor at the San Francisco Zoo, Dec. 25, 2007. 
:The documents were released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request 
:by Associated Press reporter Adam Goldman.
:* https://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=batch_download&batch_id=MzZGVWRoZEt0NjlFQlE9PQ
* the Associated Press article concerning the documents
:*http://www.docstoc.com/docs/71573508/tigerbinder2
* tiger-maul-teens-san-francisco-zoo-provoked-report
* full AP: documents-report-that-san-francisco-tiger-attack-was-provoked
:::0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 04:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freedom of Information Act request 

message: It's been ages since I edited, so not clear on the procs around adding popular culture refs to news events. So I went with adding a section with a reference to a song about the tiger a colleague had mentioned in conversation. Given the NPOV discussion above, I just referred to it as the Tiger's attack on the Sousa and the brothers. If that needs cleanup to fit house style, ping me. Emceeaich (talk) 01:44, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a nonnotable song by an apparently nonnotable band or artist. How is the reader helped to understand the attacks by the inclusion of this song? EEng 02:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Agreed with EEng. Refer to WP:IPC. Dedicated sections for trivia are also no longer considered a good practice on Wikipedia; instead, relevant content should be integrated. Opencooper (talk) 14:06, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: ... if used at all. EEng 14:08, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop Culture Refs