Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)

message: There are many articles about non-english women's football clubs named xxx (women) see here. There also many that instead use the native word for women see here. Clubs also have had their names switched back and forth. Per WP:TITLECON I propose a renaming of all women's football clubs (and categories!) that have the native word for women in the article name but not the club name. Dutchy45 (talk) 16:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  women's football clubs 

message: I am wondering if there is any established convention as to whether saints’ native names or anglicised versions should be used, both as the title and within the article. I understand that the name with established use in English language sources should be used, but in such areas where a saint has little English-language coverage, what is the protocol. For example, I recently created the page for the Italian Saint John of Tufara, having translated the name. However, as very few English-language sources reference him and almost every source is in Italian, is it better to use his native name of Giovanni. If so, should this be Giovanni of Tufara or Giovanni da Tufara? Clarification would be very greatly appreciated! Many thanks, Vesuvio14 (talk) 21:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this is quite difficult whenever we are forced to invent an English name for an article which has none in reliable sources. As a rule of thumb, I think it is better to translate when many of the following criteria apply: 1) a decent amount of meaning can be inferred from the individual words; 2) it is easy to translate the original title literally; 3) the translation sounds like a plausible thing to say in English; 4) the original name is difficult to pronounce or spell for English speakers; 5) if applicable, similar subjects are almost uniformly translated. And it is better to keep the original name when the reverse is true. For Pseudo-Chinese, I have decided to translate the title, because the translation gives the reader some sense of what the title is about and is easier to say. Another factor in this case was having to choose one Romanization system over the other if going with the original title, since original Chinese-character names are not allowed in English Wikipedia articles. Now there are more sources calling it "pseudo-Chinese" in English, but I suspect this may be citogenesis. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native names 

message: In quite a few move requests where the proposal is to move to a name with non-English origins, I've noticed people citing this policy (or WP:UE) as justification to oppose the move, even if the proposed name is demonstrably the most common used in English sources. As I understand it, this guideline talks simply about which name English sources use, and has no prejudice on the origins of said name - hence using Uluru over Ayers Rock, or Denali over Mount McKinley. I'm wondering whether it would be worth having something within the guideline to spell this out, as it seems the current wording has been misconstrued reasonably often? Turnagra (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Turnagra, fully agree seen it used as an argument to argue to use only English names, regardless if a non-English name is more common. DankJae 21:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarifying definition of English name?