Talk:Copper Island

message: When was it formed? --rmhermen
:Revised page to answer question. --user:Daniel C. Boyer
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Page seems to have been revised to slant against existence of island.  Land is surrounded on four sides by water and thus an island.  An old newspaper existed (out of Hancock) called "Copper Island News," there is the Copper Island Classic, &c.  What is the basis for deprecating its existence?  --Daniel C. Boyer 18:58, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: While it is possible to create an island by isolating it from a "mainland" through dredging, or just dumping a pile of soil in a water body (both man-made activity), I do not think the dredging of a canal across a peninsula changes that peninsula into an island. Your definition is overly simplistic, and could be extended to say that the eastern coast of the U.S. is really another continent because the Great Lakes, Mississippi River, Chicago River and canals have isolated it from Canada and the western US (surrounded on four sides by water).  A canal is just another feature on the landscape (like a road or railroad), not a geography defining body of water. And by your own reasoning, Copper Island lost "island" status when a bridge was built across the canal. The article could alude to the "quaint" local custom of regarding themselves as an island, if in fact that is the origin of the idea behind Copper Island.  However, the POV about "inaccurately called the Keweenaw Peninsula" needs to go.  It is "Copper Island" that is a geographical inaccuracy; albeit an interesrting tale. And Long Island is certainly part of the North American continent. - Marshman 17:48, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, according to the artificial island entry, it is really an island ("A less distinctive type of artificial island is formed by the incidental isolation of an existing piece of mainland by canal construction."). Though I'm not fully confident that said article is detailed or accurate enough. The waterway is a stationary body of water, unlike a river (Such as the Mississippi River example). I'm not sure if it matters, and I could be wrong, but I thought that the waterway existed naturally - except of course not being deep enough in some locations to allow large enough ships to pass through. Peoplesunionpro 17:39, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In the book "Strangers and Sojourners", it's mentioned that in centuries past, crossing the peninsula there did involve a couple of miles of "walking on marshy ground". The rest being water. Peoplesunionpro 16:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: First, let me say that this is a bad idea.  It is a recognized geographic descriptor for a unique part of the U.S.  Take a look at this.  Michigan's Unique Islands.  I think if you google ";Copper Island' Michigan" you'll find plenty of citations and links.  I note also that the Clarke Historical Library page that is linked in the Keweenaw County article looks like it has some books that would likely cover this subject. :Unfortunately,  I am in the middle of a project, but putting in some line cites, etc. should be not that difficult.  Hope somebody can do something to appease the wiki-gods. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I'm from the Upper Peninsula, and I've never heard this area called that. It's always referred to as the Keweenaw Peninsula or even just the Copper Country (which extends further down the peninsula and over to Ontonagon. In fact most of the Google hits for "Copper Island" relate to an island in British Columbia by that name, not this. The only hits I found were this article, a ski race that is in Chassell, not on the purported island, a defunct newspaper and a printing/graphics design firm that has a d/b/a under another name. Imzadi1979 (talk) 21:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a google search and found a book that defined the area and added it as a ref (use "Copper Island" Michigan as the search term, not just "Copper Island") - other hits exist as well.  There are also multiple references from tourism sites to the name for the area; few tourism sites would count as a WP:RS, and most are trivial mentions - but they do demonstrate that the term is in common usage. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there were two defunct newspapers, if you look at all the sources I put in the Speedy Delete debate.  7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed deletion

message: were published, which should get rid of the citation needed.  ::[http://habitant.org/houghton/fcgenealogy.htm French Canadian Geneological Research sources} concerning Hancock County, mentions "Copper Island" and also document the publication dates of the two newspapers that were so named.  7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Here's a source on the dates the "Copper Island" newspapers

message: Since this is not the only "Copper Island", it should not be the default page. This article should be at Copper Island, Michigan since there is an island with an active Christian retreat in British Columbia that carries the Copper Island name on the map. Once moved, this article title should redirect to the dab page then. Imzadi1979 (talk) 20:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I support renaming this; but I noticed that Charity Island was recently renamed to Charity Island (Michigan).  For consistency, should this one be Copper Island (Michigan), or is Copper Island, Michigan more appropriate - I haven't had a chance to review the naming guidelines for this yet. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At present there are no other articles titled "Copper Island", although there are couple alternate names listed at Copper Island (disambiguation). There is little need to add the parenthetical disambiguating term, such as "(Michigan)" unless there is 1) no primary topic and/or 2) significant risk of confusion. I don't see that that is the case here. But in any case, if this is moved, it should be to Copper Island (Michigan) rather than to  Copper Island, Michigan. older ≠ wiser 21:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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