Talk:List of culinary fruits

message: I believe that this list would benefit greatly from a column dedicated to images of each fruit.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:344:C300:3FF0:6CD2:A290:621B:9E58 (talk) 21:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Including a picture collumn for the charts

message: You guys are missing citrus fruits
User:Malteseclock
No, citrus fruits are there look at this article. Most citrus fruits are classified into the family Rutaceae
Here's the article
In the important genus Citrus (Rutaceae), some members are tropical, tolerating no frost. All common species of commerce are somewhat hardy:
Lemon
Citron (Citrus medica) 
Clementine (Citrus reticulata var. Clementine), 
Grapefruit (Citrus paradisi) 
Hybrids of the preceding species, such as the Orangelo, Tangelo, Rangpur (fruit) and Ugli fruit 
Kumquat (Fortunella) 
Lemon (Citrus limon) 
Limes 
Key Lime (Citrus aurantifolia) 
Persian lime Also known as tahiti lime. 
Kaffir lime (Citrus hystix) 
Mandarin (Citrus reticulata), 
Orange, of which there are sweet (Citrus sinensis) and sour (Citrus aurantium) species 
Pomelo (also known as the shaddock) (Citrus maxima) 
Sweet Lemon (Citrus limetta) 
Tangerine, and similar 
Amywiki96 (talk) 21:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: You guys are missing citrus fruits

message: I just added Kemunting under Tropical Fruits. Buah kemunting was my favorite wild berry when I was living in rural Terengganu, Malaysia. However, I do not know the Latin name for it. If anyone does, please add it.
Michael
is this your fruit:
Rhodomyrtus tomentosa
you can google pictures descriptions... of it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.73.0.29 (talk) 20:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Kemunting

message: Does anyone know where the poha should go on this list? Wiwaxia 02:00, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree - sorting by family would be my preference. - MPF 22:27, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Poha

message: Please someone knows botanicals for the "Christoferine" ?:[]
* Christoferine = chayote = Sechium edule (a sort of neotropical perennial squash, distinguished by its single large seed)Christoferine is apparently the common name used in Francophone tropical regions. I'll add it to the main list--starfarmer*comm 20:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Christoferine

message: Has anybody ever heard of a fruit called "penwich" ???
* I've seen "penwich" used on Vietnamese menus to mean pennywort, specifically Centella asiatica, also known as Gotu Kola or Asiatic Pennywort. It is not a fruit but rather a leafy vegetable used both culinarily and medicinally. Served as a cooling drink it is called rau ma tuoi; with coconut it is called rau ma nuoc dua tuoi--starfarmer*comm 20:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PENWICH ANYONE? 

message: Are all these fruits edible?
:That's what the introduction says (except for the ones listed in section 9, Inedible fruit. Of course, you might find some of the fruit unpleasant (read about Durian, for example), but people have adopted a very large number of fruits into regional diets. -- Dalbury(Talk) 03:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edibility

message: You forgot to add some latin names, e.g., for shiikuwasha, yuzu, ice plant. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.200.105.228 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 8 February 2006.
:Anyone can edit the page. Be bold and go for it. -- Solipsist 10:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  latin names not 100% 

message: Is anyone else interested in a page listing when fruits (and vegetables) are "in season" for various regions? I would add it but I'm not sure where to start or what sources to use. Jonathan Kovaciny 14:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fairly impossible to me.  Strawberries are in season in the summer in Finland but in winter in Thailand, while mangoes are in season in Singapore in the summer but in Australia in the winter, etc etc. Jpatokal 05:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Ditto above, for many the notion of seasonal availability of many fruit and veg' no longer applies, as they are either exported/imported or grown "in captivity" User:ForteTwo 02:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fruits by season 

message: Looking over this page and the current discussions finally made my head pop.  I had been looking for a list of "fruits one might buy at a supermarket" for something interesting to try ...
Thinking about ways to order this data - there is no single good way to suit everyone's needs, this is something that can only be served well by a database query.  So I argue for there being little point in attempting to order the list and instead rely on the browser's "find" function to locate a fruit's entry in the page.  Failing that however, I'd do away with the categories that currently exist completely and go for a list by common (*culinary*) name, since that appears to be the primary reason for this page (I'd opt for ordering by family if this were a more scientifically oriented list of all fruit bodies).  In fact I say it should be a list within a table that had columns for: other names, Latin name(s), origin, the possibly woolly "category" (i.e. berry, citrus fruit, nut or seed (there is that section on podocarps)), etc.
Perhaps there should also be a page of "fruit bodies" too, a superset of fruits, that can also include not only the tomato but also the cucumber, aubergine and even pumpkin?
I very nearly attempted a trial rehash for those who cared to consider but realised I didn't have that much time right now so rather than start something I couldn't finish ...
User:ForteTwo
--
I, as a anonymous user and also under this name, have been guiding this pages development for some time now (though I has no hand in developing the sorting system or general page format).
The categories that currently exist are rather redundant, I must agree.
The common names, as you have seen, are variable and many, even for a single fruit. The science - the binomial naming system- is the only way that we can accurately list these plants, even if it is for culinary usage mostly. I agree with you, but I think the common names listing would be a mistake, and by family would be to, because as you can see, the families are quite varied and obscure. The rose family has a big take in it, but the regional categories are important because they act as a catch for those plants im miscellaneous families. Currently the regional listings should be done away with because most people don’t know the area of many of their fruits origin . If you get in contact with me, I would like to help in overhauling this page, and it will go faster with two people. 
Fledgeling 16:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul 

message: This article would be improved by including a definition for culinary fruit. What exactly is a fruit in the culinary sense of this article? Wiktionary says a fruit is "Any sweet, edible part of a plant that resembles fruit, even if it does not develop from a floral ovary; also used in a technically imprecise sense for some sweet or sweetish vegetables, such as rhubarb, that resemble a true fruit or are used in cookery as if they were a fruit." 
Give that gymnosperms do not produce true fruits, do podocarps belong on this list? Are podocarps seeds sweet? Fruit terms are often misapplied to gymnosperm seeds or cones, such as podocarp fruits, gingko nuts, pine nuts, yew berries and juniper berries. If podocarps are included then what about yew, ginkgo, juniper and pine because nuts and berries are types of true fruits? 
What about sweet potato pie , sweet green tomato pie,  , sweet eggplant pie , and similar uses of vegetables in sweet pies? Plantguy 00:10, 1 August 2006 (UTc)
* Podocarp cone flesh is sweet, juicy, and aromatic... and many are prominent features in the diets of native peoples who inhabit their general ranges, mostly in the southern hemisphere, even if they are not commonly eaten today.The juniper berries are generally not platible;even if they edible, and no one really eats yew berry flesh because of perceived toxicity. Pine and ginko SHOULD be added to the list of nuts if it has not been already. If you are using ‘pie’ in the sense as a baked good, no it should not be added Fledgeling 02:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fruit definition and podocarps

message: Where is banana? I would have thought it was a fruit. Don't know what section it is in, but the Banana article says it is a fruit. Fixed it..it had been deleted...added again ,Jasonauk 01:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banana?! 

message: With respect to the Rhubarb poisoning item, it would be nice if we could be  more precise than "People occasionally die".  A pubmed search comes up with:
:[Rhubarb poisoning. Causal connection - oxalic acid or anthraquinones?] Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen. 1980 May 20;100(14):959-61. Norwegian. No abstract available. PMID: 7404546 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
:[ACUTE RENAL FAILURE AND JAUNDICE FOLLOWING RHUBARB LEAF POISONING.] Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 1964 Dec 11;89:2379-81. German. No abstract available. PMID: 14225041 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]
:INGESTION OF RHUBARB LEAVES AS CAUSE OF OXALIC ACID POISONING. Ann Paediatr Fenn. 1964;10:228-31. No abstract available. PMID: 14166252 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]
and some other similar ones.  But I don't think the articles themselves (or even abstracts) are online, so we shouldn't add them to the article unless someone actually looks them up.
I guess we should keep looking. Kingdon 22:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for Rhubarb poisoning 

message: Merge - Someone proposed merging Tropical fruit and List of tropical fruittrees into this page but no discussion was made about it. JohnnyMrNinja 08:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree, provided this article is moved to List of culinary fruits, where it would be a useful addition to Wikipedia. Under the current title, despite the disclaimer, it has potential to become a hodge-podge of mature ovaries and other edible and inedible plant parts (there is already a section on inedible fruits, which belies the disclaimer).--Curtis Clark 14:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As this is an annotated list, and I am no expert in fruit or botany, I don't want to try merging as I'll probably screw it up. But I did make this sandbox with all three lists in it. If someone could merge them (taking out what doesn't belong), that'd be great, otherwise some administrator will likely come through and shove them together to get rid of the backlog (the first merger was proposed in September 2006). JohnnyMrNinja 19:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I combined the lists and removed the duplicates. Next step is to remove those that aren't culinary fruits and aren't intolerant of frost (and probably remove those that are nothing but redlinks).--Curtis Clark 20:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy enough with it that I'm going to merge it, but it still needs work, primarily consulting the articles for alternate names and fixing redirects.--Curtis Clark 22:56, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mergers and redirects are now complete.--Curtis Clark 23:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mergers 

message: I have made a separate article for list of inedible fruits, as they obviously did not belong here. I hope someone can take care of that Unsorted section. This is Wikipedia list, everything can be sorted (and if it can't it doesn't belong here). JohnnyMrNinja 19:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inedible fruits and Unsorted 

message: Hi - I just alphabetized the ones that were out of order. I think I got them all, but will take a look again later. Angela C 14:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetization of fruits on list 

message: Err, this section ought to be renamed "Fruits that are rare in North America or Europe". Apricots, Peaches, Pears, Apples and Oranges are all originally from Asia. Dyl (talk) 17:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fruits of Asian origin 

message: The pigeon pea also does not belong as a tropical fruit.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.213.12.252 (talk) 17:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete Mung Bean : it's not a 'fruit' 

message: There were many different families missing from their fruits, like Elaeocarpaceae, Rutaceae, and Passifloraceae. I plan on patching up the tropical fruit section soon, but I have finished Asian, Australian, and the berries. 
Amywiki96 (talk) 21:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing families 

message: This is a plant list from the SAS Survival Handbook by John Wiseman; includes some crops that haven't been mentioned (others have; double check); some crops can be used in cookery (such as rhubarb).
temperate climate crops
berberis vulgaris, rosa canina, rosa rugosa, rubus caesius, crataegus, prunus spinosa, vaccinium, gaylussacia, sambucus nigra, juniperus communis, sorbus, morus, ribes, rubus chamaemorus, rubus spectabilis, 
arctic/northern crops
arcostaphylos uva-ursi, 
tropical crops
adansonia, cerationia siligua, nifpa fruticans, arenga pinnata, guiliema utilis, jessnia, oemocarpus, euterpe oleraccea, carica papaya, mangifera indica, annona squamosa, annona cherimola, annona reticulata, annona muricata, ficus, artocarpus, sterculia, aegle marmelos, antidesma, ti-plant, peresa americana, pandanus, spondias, ximenia, psidium guajavas, diospyros, nepheleum lappaceum, nephelium mutabile, durio zibethinus, syzygium malaccensis, syzygium aquaeum, averrhoa carambola, garcinia mangostana, artocarpus heterophyllus
Check and add in article accordingly
KVDP  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.12.176 (talk) 06:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Plant list

message: Can someone launch a request to stop giving the articles the english names, its annoying when adding stuff to the page and allot of the names are confusing and look silly (eg several plants are named things like "wild plum" or something when they are genetically not aligned to one another.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.91.20 (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: English names annoying

message: New plants to mention in Australian section:
Astroloma humifusum, Amyema linophyllum, Amyema maidenii, Amyema pendulum, Amyema sanguineum, Antidesma bunis, Antidesma dallachyanum, Antidesma ghaesembilla, Billardiera scandens, Bruguiera gymnorrhiza, Buchanania arborescens, Buchanania  muelleri, Buchanania obovata, Calamus caryotoides, Eugenia grandis, Eugenia reinwardtiana, Canthium latifolium, Leptomeria aphylla, Leptomeria acida, Hornstedtia scottiana, Leichhardtia australis/spp, Lysiana exocarpi, Lysiana murrayi, Ganophyllum falcatum, Capparis lasiantha, Capparis mitchellii, Capparis spinosa var. nummularia, Exocarpus latifolius, Cissus hypoglauca, Cucumis melo ssp agrestis, Cymbidium canaliculatum, Davidsonia pruriens, Diospyros australis, Diploglottis campbellii, Ficus platypoda, Ficus superba var. hennea, Ficus virens, Flueggea microcarpa, Flueggea virosa var. melanthesioides  , Malaisa scandens, Mallotus nesophilus, Marsedia viridiflora, Microstemma tuberosum, Microstemma citrifolia, Musa acuminata, Persoonia falcata, Planchonella pohlmaniana, Planchonella arnhemica, Pleiogynum timorense, Podocarpus lawrenceii, Solanum cleistogamum, Solanum ellepticum, Solanum melanospermum, Solanum orbiculatum, Solanum phlomoides, Solanum laciniatum, Solanum linearifolium, Solanum petrophilum, Terminalia carpentariae, Terminalia ferdinandiana, Terminalia melanocarpa, Uvaria spp., Vitex glabrata
Some are probably mentioned already, check for doubbles 
List from book: Bush food:Aboriginal food and herbal medicine by Jennifer Isaacs
KVDP  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.173.51 (talk) 18:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is quite a lot. If you can add them by yourself, that would be more meaningful for your contribution? :) --Caspian blue 08:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Plant list 2

message: Edited out some annoying vandalism.
There were several fruits that had a stupid name then said: Found in the Tropics, and they had no links attached. There was ABC Fruit, GooGooGaGa Fruit, Money Fruit, and Beth Fruit... I got rid of em all. I'll keep an eye out for further vandalism... And I'll post my actual user name once I figure out my password. But for now... I'm 74.83.38.60 (talk) 21:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: What, if I may ask, are Reds? Redius gulilius? Wwm101 18:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: ???

message: Strawberries are among the most popular of culinary fruits, certainly the most popular berries (in the culinary sense) but hardly noted here.
The whole berry thing is wrong. There is a category called "true berries" which defines them as ericaceous. The Ericaceae are not true berries at all. They are, in fact, pseudoberries, false berries or hypogynous berries depending on who's doing the defining. They resemble small pomes more than they resemble berries. There are few true berries that are culinary berries: gooseberries, currants.
Mulberries are most definitely not berries; they are multiple fruits. If you're going to relegate strawberry to the obscure aggregate fruit category, you have to do the same with mulberry. Similar objections would pertain to about half of the fruits categorized here as berries.
this list is riddled with errors and marginally absurd categorizations. I've only touched on the problems.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.160.195 (talk) 02:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strawberry seems to be neglected and the whole concept of berry is a bit idiosyncratic. 

message: Check this website www.fruitipedia.com.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.237.187 (talk) 16:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a very nice resource, but it appears to be self-published, so I don't think that it would be allowed as a reliable source. Waitak (talk) 17:17, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  fruitipedia 

message: Oly Uzbekistan and Ukraine produce pome fruits.--85.164.220.159 (talk) 21:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The apple is a pome, produced in many places, so no. Waitak (talk) 17:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  true or false.... 

message: The following are entries that may not belong in this list, because they don't fit the definition of culinary fruits. Some others that clearly don't have already been removed from the list.
* American Chestnut
* American Hazelnut
* Avocado
* Betel nut
* Bottle gourd
* Bush tomato
* Doubah
* Emu apple
* Indian almond
* Juniper berry
* Kapok
* Kutjera
* Morinda citrifolia
* Mountain pepper
* Nutmeg
* Olive
* Phalsa
* Pigeon pea
* Pili nut
* Pistachio
Waitak (talk) 17:15, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Nutmeg" in the list refers to the culinary fruit, the seed of which is used as the common spice. I added "fruit" for clarification. Ortho (talk) Ortho (talk) 03:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious entries 

message: Europe appears to be missing from the Culinary fruits by geographical origin section of this page.
Does anyone know why?
(Wiki3ditorial (talk) 23:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Off-hand, I'd guess because no-one has had access to a list of fruits that are native to Europe. If you've got one, post the source here. If someone's got time to look it over, perhaps we can add that as a section. Waitak (talk) 23:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culinary fruits by geographical origin: Europe Missing 

message: I see Yew listed with Gymnosperms with fruit like structures but they're poisonous, aren't they?  I don't think they belong on a list of Culinary Fruits, potentially dangerously misleading. Dog Walking Girl (talk) 06:12, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the seeds are poisonous, so for safety's sake it does seem best to remove them from this list. Nadiatalent (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The seed in the center of a yew berry is very poisonous, like the rest of the yew plant, but the fleshy red part that surrounds the seed and is separate from it, is edible. However it is probably better not to list it. Invertzoo (talk) 14:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just add a note that the seeds are poisonous if necessary. Apple seeds are also toxic. This doesn't stop it from being a culinary fruit. Candleabracadabra (talk) 15:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yew berries aren't edible, are they? 

message: The omission of this category seems odd, when accessory fruits are included. Pineapple would belong in both categories. Nadiatalent (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No "multiple fruits" 

message: The following very tantalizing phrase appears at the beginning of the article: "There also exist many fruits which are edible and palatable but for various reasons have not become popular."  But there seems to be no way to get access to that information.  If someone who knows what that sentence is talking about could make a list of these, that'd be great. 24.55.17.191 (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are these mysterious unpopular fruits? 

message: Why is there no such list?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2ED6:9470:2119:C9C2:6F6D:B605 (talk) 19:57, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uhm, culinary fruits of European origin? 

message: So say I'm looking at fruit by climate such as temperate fruit, when I click a link for say peaches I expect to go to the page on peaches.
Instead I get flung down to the alphabetical list where I can find the link to peaches.
Then to navigate back to the list of temperate fruits I must scroll up through a massive alphabetical list and find where I was at in the by climate list.
Why would anyone think this is a good idea? It's needlessly complicated and makes the process a pain to navigate on mobile. Kentynet (talk) 10:18, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page is terrible to navigate on mobile 

message: The list used to be categorized using geographical origin, climate, and botanical part as well, but was simplified because having each fruit appearing in three different places was unwieldy. Still, I can imagine these information being useful for some readers. Can we add these back as columns so that readers can sort the list to find what they want? Yel D'ohan (talk) 00:32, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would strongly advise not.  "Giant sortable tables" are extremely unwieldy to deal with on mobile devices (it's next to impossible to make them fit on a screen without having to repeatedly scroll back and forth across the page like on an old manual typewriter) and also extremely unwieldy to copyedit (because there aren't section breaks, there are a lot of codes, and it is very difficult to find the specific box worth of text that has the misspelled word [especially if one is editing from a mobile device and can't do a Ctrl-F]). I do a lot of mobile-device reading and editing and tables are almost completely unworkable in most circumstances. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

text: As much as I think knowing more things about the fruits in one glance is a good thing, I agree that three columns appears to be the limit, before it starts looking really squished on mobile. Another thing I've noticed that's been done, is you've made separate sections for anonnas, figs, and sapotes. Do you have an alternate way of organizing this page that puts fruit of the same lineage together? For context, the reason I chose to organize it in a broader way, is to try and not have so many different sections of fruit families being on the page. However, I can see what you're doing as just an alternate way of organizing this page. In any case, it shouldn't have two methods of organization, yet I don't exactly know which one would be better for this. I do admit that I've strangely organized melons by family myself, as opposed to physical characteristics like the others. --WeegeeTheDoggo (talk) 05:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really have any preference or suggestion on how we should group them. The reason I moved those into their own sections is because the term "tropical fruit" seems Euro-centric, but leaving a lot of fruits under "other fruits" is not ideal.  Yel D'ohan (talk) 10:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  One giant sortable table? 

message: Tropical fruit was previously discussed here, and then merged into this article, with a redirect left behind. However the article now does not have a list of tropical fruits. I have replaced the redirect with the original article content. Thanks/wangi (talk) 08:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tropical fruits