Talk:Silver Line (Washington Metro)

message: Where does the name "Silver line" come from? The Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project says that the line has not yet been named and I haven't seen this name mentioned in any other sources. Greyfedora 21:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been official for a while. Just plug "Silver Line" and "dulles" into Google and you'll see it repeatedly cited by this name in the media. --Jfruh (talk) 21:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, just look at the map linked to from the main article: . You can see that the new line is labelled "Silver Line" on the legend at the top of the page. This is on the Dulles Metro corridor's official site. --Jfruh (talk) 21:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: While WMATA not have used it yet, we do have multiple reliable sources using the name. A quick Google search turned up this and this. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Although London and New York have zillions of lines and use many colors on their map, neither actually uses the colors as line names. London has the Picadilly line, District line, etc; New York identifies them by letters - and indeed, some lines share colors (A, C, and E are all blue). Washington, however, does identify the lines by color, so it is essential that this article be named properly. I've looked over the WMATA website; it references "the Dulles rail program" and "the Dulles Project" and has a link to dullesmetro.com called "Dulles Metrorail Extension". That site doesn't refer to colors at all from what I can tell. -Etoile (talk) 23:51, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I ride the Metro daily, and this is the first I've encountered any talk of a "silver" line. Last I heard, the Dulles extension was just going to be the Orange line. But the sources referenced obviously use it, so it makes sense for now. It can always be renamed later. —Wrathchild (talk) 17:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (I'm not really talking to myself.) WMATA seems to reference the new line internally as the Silver Line. (I see it in a bunch of commuter chat transcripts, like this one: ) So, that's about as official as it's going to get for now. —Wrathchild (talk) 17:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, all the sources point to "Silver" for now. Whether it ends up as Silver in the end, though, has yet to be seen, because "Silver" might very well be a working title until a final color is settled on. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The report "METRORAIL STATION ACCESS & CAPACITY STUDY" from April 2008 states, "This report refers to the Dulles Corridor Metrorail Extension as the Silver Line, though this line does not yet have an official name." Of course, now that Wikipedia has labeled the extension "Silver Line", WMATA has no choice but to name the line that color :) hulmem (talk) 08:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Indeed, that is the name that is supported by reliable sources. What I'm saying is it is unknown at this point whether the line will be "silver" in the end, or if that's just a working title at this point. Based on hulmem's source above, "silver" is a working title, and we have yet to see what the service will be officially called. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Silver Line name

message: I'm thinking that it would be good to have some mention about how the construction is to be funded. I think that the approach taken is somewhat unusual. I also think that funding is also one of the major reasons this extension is likely to be built (since the sources have been mostly identified at this point). There's also the question, when it comes to the tunnel issue, as to whether the federal government will or will not provide funding if the tunnel option is chosen (supposedly the government criteria considers overall costs instead of how much it will be putting in). Ultimately I think it's something worth mentioning in the article. Mecaterpillar 05:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Funding

message: Since the ASCE Panel released their findings on Monday (July 31st), would anyone like to summarize their findings? There's quite a bit there (Follow the source I added, the ASCE press release), and I'd prefer it if someone else went about doing that 'cause it seems like it would take me quite a few sentences to summarize that although I find this paragraph from the press release rather telling:
During a press conference releasing the report, Robert S. O'Neil, the TRP's chair, explained that Commonwealth of Virginia Secretary of Transportation Pierce Homer "did not ask our panel to recommend the preferred option. Instead, the Secretary asked our panel to ensure that the state had the best information available with which to make its decision. However... considering the magnitude and long-term impact of this project, and considering that the intangible benefits almost entirely favor the tunnel, it is reasonable to conclude that our findings suggest strong consideration of the tunnel alternative."
In any case, it seems like it's time to add a quick summary of that. Mecaterpillar 16:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting read. Unfortunately, it will be a couple of days before I can digest the information and try to regurgitate it into another paragraph or two. Hopefully someone else is up to the challenge before that. With talk now of rebidding the whole phase 1 project, there could be a lot to write about in the article. --StuffOfInterest 19:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ASCE Panel Findings

message: I'm a little concered about including Wolf Trap in the list of planned stations. The current plan does not show it and WMATA doesn't have a really good track record on in-fill stations. Anyone out there remember the "future" Potomac Yards station? I'd say it should be mentioned in the text as a possible future in-fill but not in the list of planned stations. --StuffOfInterest 12:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. My understanding is that Wolf Trap will have an RTU number of N06, like how Potomac Yard has an RTU of C11.  So there certainly is a provision for the station in there (compare to New York Avenue with the RTU of B97 between B03 and B04), but since it's not going to get built, we might as well leave it off the list, but certainly give it a mention in the text. SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wolf Trap

message: Just wondering, when the article mentions the project's goal as to connect DC to the edge cities of Tysons Corner...., is Tysons Corner technically a city? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Planes&mustangs510 (talk • contribs) 23:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an edge city, which has a specific definition outside of "city". Tysons Corner itself is an unincorporated census-designated place. --Golbez (talk) 01:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tysons?

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Oppose We don't do official names, unless English uses them. The Washington Post calls it Silver Line: "Fairfax to Develop Near Metro" Monday, September 24, 2007; Page D03. The planned 23-mile Silver Line, an extension of the Metro from West Falls Church through Tysons Corner, Dulles International Airport and into Loudon County, would bring 11 stations to Northern Virginia and is scheduled to be completed in 2016. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The Udvar-Hazy Center is a few miles south of the Route 267; it's unlikely that someone's going to run a shuttle (free or otherwise) down Route 28 for tourists. Tedickey (talk) 16:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The new version is an improvement Tedickey (talk) 18:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already a shuttle bus from Dulles Airport to Udvar-Hazy, so it seems assumed anyone who wants a metro-accessible trip from downtown to the museum would just take that. 128.229.4.2 (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Connection to Udvar-Hazy Center

message: There has been a lot of intermingling between the History and Controversies sections of the article. The material in both sections needs to be reorganized, summarized better, and switched into more of a paragraph form than a list of events. --StuffOfInterest (talk) 15:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: After revising and moving the text around, I removed the cleanup tag. Please suggest other improvements you think would help the article. Be as specific as you can. Folklore1 (talk) 18:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup needed

message: Why compare the cost per mile of the Dulles Toll Road to the Illinois Tollway? Are they similar? Jcmurphy72 (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Illinois Tollway comparison

message: So apparently we have a question about the reliability of a source. The question is, does the group consider Greater Greater Washington a sufficiently reliable source per our guidelines, or is it insufficient to be used to verify information.
Personally, I say no, because while it's certainly well-written and raises good ideas by some well-educated people, it still is a self-published source, and therefore insufficiently reliable.
What do others think? SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this argument is somewhat irrelevant; at the very least, the first reference is of course citable to GGW because it's something they reported. For the second reference, since the source does include the internal WMATA map, I again don't see how it doesn't qualify as a valid source (And it's linking here anyway, for the image). And I personally do consider GGW a reliable source; it's a brave new world where some blogs are quality enough to count. --Golbez (talk) 14:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greater Greater Washington's validity as a source? 

message: I see that someone has renamed the stations on the Silver Line to the names proposed by the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors. The problem is that by the article listed as a reference the names are not final until the Metro board approves. To quote: "Final
names for the stations will require approval from the Metro board." I think this is jumping the gun to rename the articles before the names have been approved. --StuffOfInterest (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the same, and brought this up on their user talk page, but then I realized... the 'existing' names are just provisional, suggested names as well. Might as well go with the more recent provisional, suggested names, right? Either way it doesn't seem major enough to push back to the previous provisional, suggested names. The actual names will come out someday, and if they're different, then we can move the articles to those. --Golbez (talk) 18:20, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed station names (2011) 

message: The Fairfax County Board of Supervisors has approved new names for the Silver Line, all of which are expected to be approved by the WMATA Board of Directors. The respective articles should be changed to reflect the new names, which are (from east to west): McLean; Tysons Corner; Greensboro; Spring Hill; Wiehle-Reston East; Reston Town Center; Herndon; Innovation Center. 207.197.128.151 (talk) 15:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that the newest station names were approved by the Fairfax Board of Supervisors, the same body that approved the last round of station names, I say we be bold and rename the articles too. Article about 2011 decision Article about 2012 decision Dmp348 (talk) 03:42, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Isn't this jumping the gun? According to the referenced article, "Final names for the stations will require approval from the Metro board." Even if WMATA is expected to rubber-stamp the names approved by the Fairfax board, they're not yet final. Martindelaware (talk) 00:46, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I thought of that too, and I would advocate waiting until official approval in most renaming cases. However, so far no names have been approved by WMATA. The 2011 article notes that the previous station names (used for Wikipedia article titles) were also "recommended" and awaiting approval, while the original names were placeholders. So, until we have any official names, it makes sense to use the most recent set of unofficial ones. Dmp348 (talk) 02:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed station names (2012) 

message: I am no specialist on this line, but the article seems to me to miss quite a lot of what has been going in in recent months. I depend on what's in the media, and don't read everything that appears, but if I'm not mistaken: (a) the issue over the station at Dulles (above or below ground) may now have been decided (?) in favor of the cheaper above-ground alternative; (b) the Commonwealth of Virginia passed a state budget that did not include funding for this line; and (c) there's also been controversy generated by discussions in the new (conservative) Loudoun Council over their stance towards the project -- with objections encompassing (I believe) the project labor agreement, any possible funding from Loudoun, the issue of how far the line should run....
It would be helpful if someone who takes a closer interest in the project than I do could update the article in a way that accurately takes account of these and any other recent developments. Nandt1 (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Article in Need of Material Updating to Maintain Good Article Status

message: Another user has suggested withdrawing the Good Article Review request and urging others to update the article.  I'll go along with this for now at least.  An update is urgently needed -- if you have relevant knowhow, please help!  Nandt1 (talk) 15:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Please help Update this Article

message: User:Train2104 has tagged Wolf Trap (WMATA station) for deletion, but I suggest it should be redirected here in the event that Metrorail decides to build the station, although judging my the linear map, it might be kind of difficult to build. ---------User:DanTD (talk)  21:01, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: Unless I've missed something, I don't see any sources saying the Silver Line is going to Largo. Everything I've heard has it going to Stadium-Armory. It wouldn't make sense to have the train go further; the Armory-Largo segment is the lowest-ridership segment of Metro. So unless somebody can provide a source saying otherwise, I'd recommend changing the Overview and Route Map to show Stadium-Armory as the eastern terminus. 69.140.103.42 (talk) 17:41, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's rather recent news, I saw something on the Greater Greater Washington blog a week or two ago. Basically, there's not enough pocket track at Stadium-Armory to turn around a full train, and to build more would be more expensive than simply extending service to Largo Town Center. (Kind of something they should have examined before approving the line, but eh, this is WMATA we're dealing with) --Golbez (talk) 18:38, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I found a source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/metro-officials-detail-silver-line-service-change/2012/12/05/ac842438-3ef0-11e2-bca3-aadc9b7e29c5_story.html). I'll edit it in, I suppose. I've never done a Wiki edit other than grammar and such, so hopefully I don't screw it up :P 69.140.103.42 (talk) 00:52, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me.  If you know what a "pocket track" is and why that matters, expanding on it would be helpful.  RossPatterson (talk) 11:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I know what a pocket track is (it's a turnaround track, basically), but I don't really know how to word it without the sentence sounding weird. I'll take a crack at it. 69.140.103.42 (talk) 00:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Never mind it was easy to reword it to keep it looking nice but still add the info.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.103.42 (talk) 01:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largo? 

message: I'm familiar with where the silver line will be traveling, but I'm not sure what kind of map would be requested, or how to make maps without violating copyright (I.e. I could create one using google maps as a start, but that would be a copyright violation). How can I help? McKay (talk) 17:21, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Map 

message: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/metros-silver-line-is-coming-to-tysons-but-dont-look-for-lots-of-new-commuter-parking/2013/11/27/d6139e78-41b0-11e3-a751-f032898f2dbc_story.html?hpid=z5
--189.122.201.52 (talk) 09:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your point?  RossPatterson (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Park and Ride 

message: In the image for Effect on the metro map, Montgomery County is misspelled. Terrorist96 (talk) 12:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure there's no Montgomergy County, Maryland? Martindelaware (talk) 12:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a simply google search will tell you that as well. Thanks. Terrorist96 (talk) 12:51, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I was actually agreeing with you about the typo (note the redlink and my edit summary, "I second that"). I guess it didn't come across as the joke I had intended. Martindelaware (talk) 22:52, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I didn't catch that lol. Hopefully whoever it is that made the original image can edit it. Terrorist96 (talk) 00:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

text: If you're suggesting we use the WMATA map, we can't; it's copyrighted. There's a reason Washington Metro doesn't use the official map either. --Golbez (talk) 23:19, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo in map 

message: I vote that we remove the "planning names" for stations that are now open. It's confusing and we don't list planning names for the OR/BL stations (eg Eastern Market's planning name was Marine Barracks). Can we move this info to the individual station pages?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattmag (talk • contribs) 04:55, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Although it would be funny if all lines had this, for example- Pooks Hill = Medical Center, Weapons Plant = Navy Yard. Check the 1968 Adopted Regional System :) 216.164.56.98 (talk) 00:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning Names 

message: Some decent usable images are making their way to Flickr, like this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/39017545@N02/14567668979/ Anybody want to upload it? 216.164.56.98 (talk) 01:05, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, that has a CC-BY-NC-SA license, which can't be used on Wikipedia (see WP:FLICKR for more details). However, there are some good photos with proper licenses available: https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=silver+line&l=commderiv&d=taken-20140726-&ct=0&mt=all&adv=1. Conifer (talk) 23:42, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I see a lot of nice photos, but none with trains. The other line articles feature pictures of rolling stock at station platforms--Zr2d2 (talk) 02:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kitcase/14757489564/ This one, maybe? Conifer (talk) 04:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

text: that could work, I think a photo at a new station would be even better --Zr2d2 (talk) 11:21, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: File:Silver Line Opening 4.jpg is at one of the stations on the new segment, but all the photographers in the image might make it suboptimal. Conifer (talk) 09:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo time? 

message: The article says the Silver Line services Alexandria. I don't believe that to be true. The span from Rosslyn to Ballston is in Arlington, EFC is in Fairfax County, and the new stations along the N route are also in Fairfax County. What parts of the Silver Line operate in Alexandria? Harej (talk) 05:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad, I copied the intro from blue line on 7/28 and forgot to remove the Alexandria reference. Just fixed it. (Mattmag (talk) 18:33, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexandria? 

message: I think the existing article is ambigous on the length of phase 1.  it lists it as 29.6 miles but much of that
is running on the existing orange line.
if we go to http://silverlinemetro.com/sv-about/ which is the official Metro page, 
we see  "Reston: Phase 1
This 11.7 mile segment will include five stations: McLean, Tysons Corner, Greensboro, Spring Hill and Wiehle-Reston East. It will provide a transfer-free ride to downtown DC on to Maryland."
and then
Dulles: Phase 2
The second phase of the Silver Line is projected to open in 2018. The final 11-mile section includes six stations: Reston Town Center, Herndon, Innovation Center, Dulles International Airport, Route 606 and Route 772."
Perhaps the line should be described as "11.7 miles in Phase 1, 11 Miles in phase 2  and then runs along 16 miles of the existing Blue orange line"????
--Patbahn (talk) 03:02, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phase 1 Length 

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message: Unless someone puts forward strong arguments to the opposite, I plan to move the history section after the route and the stations, on the grounds that more people are now likely to be interested in where the line goes than in the gory details of how it came to be. 2A01:CB15:8068:9B00:BC7F:AC86:D901:CA26 (talk) 15:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current section order is good. All other articles about transit lines that I've checked begin with a history section, and it seems logical to me to put the history section first. (The only exception I've found is Green Line (Washington Metro), but the first two sections - Planning and Construction - are essentially a history section in two parts.) I do agree that the history section on this article is full of "gory details", especially the subsection about the much delayed Phase 2 construction. I think that rewriting parts of the history section for concision would improve the article more than reordering the sections. Inverted Hourglass (talk) 22:09, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps move the detailed history to its own separate article and leave a much shorter summary here? 2A01:CB15:8068:9B00:B178:166:5DFC:E8BA (talk) 17:16, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with Inverted Hourglass that rewriting the section is the initial fix here, not splitting it out. A lot of the phase 2 content was added to keep the article updated while construction was underway, but now that the line is open, a lot of that can be condensed (and that just hasn't happened yet). For example, we don't need to go into rich detail about all of the construction events like the multiple sets of cracks and the installation of pedestrian bridges. We summarize sources, not reiterate them, so simply mentioning these things and leaving the citations for further info is fine. There is also some information that is completely irrelevant to phase 2 and probably not even noteworthy for inclusion in the history section as a whole, like the Blue Line platform rehab. I doubt that the history section would be unreasonably long if we address these issues first. PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 19:50, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article structure 

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