Talk:Fumi-e

message: Isn't there a part in Gulliver's Travels or Robinson Crusoe where the protagonist is in Japan and evil Dutch incite the Japanese to make him stomp on a crucifix?
:"...To this I added another petition, "that for the sake of my patron the king of Luggnagg, his majesty would condescend to excuse my performing the ceremony imposed on my countrymen, of trampling upon the crucifix: because I had been thrown into his kingdom by my misfortunes, without any intention of trading." When this latter petition was interpreted to the Emperor, he seemed a little surprised; and said, "he believed I was the first of my countrymen who ever made any scruple in this point; and that he began to doubt, whether I was a real Hollander, or not; but rather suspected I must be a Christian. However, for the reasons I had offered, but chiefly to gratify the king of Luggnagg by an uncommon mark of his favour, he would comply with the singularity of my humour; but the affair must be managed with dexterity, and his officers should be commanded to let me pass, as it were by forgetfulness. For he assured me, that if the secret should be discovered by my countrymen the Dutch, they would cut my throat in the voyage." I returned my thanks, by the. interpreter, for so unusual a favour; and some troops being at that time on their march to Nangasac, the commanding officer had orders to convey me safe thither, with particular instructions about the business of the crucifix...
:...Before we took shipping, I was often asked by some of the crew, whether I had performed the ceremony above mentioned? I evaded the question by general answers; "that I had satisfied the Emperor and court in all particulars." However, a malicious rogue of a skipper went to an officer, and pointing to me, told him, "I had not yet trampled on the crucifix;" but the other, who had received instructions to let me pass, gave the rascal twenty strokes on the shoulders with a bamboo; after which I was no more troubled with such questions..."
Jonathan Swift. Gulliver'S Travels Into Several Remote Nations Of The World.Part III. A Voyage To Laputa, Balni-barbi, Luggnagg, Glubbdubdrib, And Japan.Chapter XI.
--80.82.173.21 21:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In fiction

message: Since the term has not entered standard English, I requested it be deleted. This was rejected after a few hours when mostly editors of this article had voted. The only question was "is this term standard English?" Instead, the question was asked, "Is there an exact, short, equivalent in English?" Instead of enforcing the policy against foreign words being used as a title. This tends to be very pervasive in Japanese articles. Editors seem to think that they may introduce terms into English if they "wish." Rather than confining their efforts to article titles that have already entered English, as the policy dictates. Student7 (talk) 01:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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message: Question... would it be either accurate or inaccurate to describe Fumi-e as a form of Icon?  I understand that the context is a bit different, but the two concepts do seem to be related.  Blueboar (talk) 13:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Answer (from a non-expert): The underground Christianity of the period was of Portuguese and Spanish origin, not Byzantine or Slavic, so these would not be icons under the specific definition referring to Orthodox and Eastern rite traditions, but in the broader sense of the word, yes, these were icons. The whole point of the practice depended on the fumi-e being considered to be an image-with-religious-import. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 14:36, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icon? 

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message: Rather than delete them, I've opted to move interpretations of the significance of the fumi-e act out of "history" into their own new section, "interpretations".
Spirarel (talk) 16:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding interpretations section