Talk:ITunes Store/Archive 1

message: Although CBS reported you need a credit card or debit card with US billing address, actually you need a credit card not debit card. I tried and it was refused. -- Taku 20:25 May 2, 2003 (UTC)
: That may not be the reason, depending on where your card was issued. I often get mine refused (not by iTunes, which isn't available here anyway) because it's issued by a UK bank but I reside in Australia, with an Australian billing address. This seems to be one criterion that is considered a fraud risk even though my card is 100% genuine. As usual it's a case of a security system penalising legitimate users - i.e. it's a bad security system.Graham 23:15, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credit Card required 

message: Interesting that this Advertisement is not listed for deletion. Is it ok to post an ad if it's about a currently popular topic? Wake 03:12, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this still seem like an ad?  WP has many articles on business and websites.  They should all be notable and written from a NPOV, so if this isn't then it needs some work.  It seems OK to me at the moment. akaDruid 12:26, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  This advertistment should be deleted 

message: I think a Technology section would be good, explaining how some of it works (like how the backend is based on WebObjects and the front end is based on QuickTime (and not WebCore), etc). -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.94.163.85 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a tecnology section 

message: I love facts. Here are a couple missing from this article:
*wasn't it called the "Apple Music Store" for a while, until somebody realized that this was a blatant violation of the whole Apple Records settlement?
:I don't think it was ever called the Apple Music Store, perhaps for this very reason. It is true that Apple Records have re-opened that court case though, nevertheless. Not sure what the state of play is right now - last I heard Apple Records lost their motion to have the case tried in the UK rather than the USA, but I don't think it's come to court yet.Graham 23:12, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to remember reading an article a couple of years ago that people got "Apple Music Store" on their credit card bills for the first couple of months that the store was in operation, and it was changed to "iTunes Music Store" later on. I'd really have to dig to find this one now though. --JohnDBuell | Talk 19:17, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing facts 

message: Does the iTunes music store also work on Windows Server 2003? I don't have a copy of Server 2003 to test it on, but I know that the iTunes application can run on Server 2003, albeit with some minor bugs. --KelisFan2K5 12:02, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Run on Windows Server 2003? 

message: Anybody now the number of unique users to have used the music store?--209.147.192.49 22:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Unique users 

message: The opening of iTunes Music Store Australia was removed. Future events are usually unencyclopedic, especially if they are unverifiable until they have actually occurred. In particular, Apple tends to be secretive about its future events. —Tokek 23:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed portions 

message: Why isn't there a blurb for critism, controversy, or whatever you call it on the iTMS page? I always see plenty of people making comments on iTunes complaining of ploblems when they download songs; getting drop-outs, repititions, or not getting the song at all. What's the deal?142.46.7.18 20:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: The new update to the store should be noted and reflected.
:Is the one million videos purchased really reflective of its (long-term) popularity?  Think of the number of people who simply downloaded videos to try the new service out, or wanted to see how it worked on their new 5G iPod.  It's only a $1.99 purchase right?  Could have been impulse buying for all I know. One million is a nice rounded numerical benchmark, but it really means nothing since there's no other figures to compare it to. --Madchester 19:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That aside, there was also the fact that video podcasts were supported (without having an iPod that could play video) in the shortlived iTunes 5, and now there's also talk about downloadable iTunes/iPod compatible videos being sold through third parties, such as adult video websites. --JohnDBuell | Talk 19:17, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can any user worldwide purchase videos? Currently there's no link in the Canadian iTunes Music Store, but if you change the country to USA the Videos link appears as well as the American-geared content. I haven't made any purchases so I don't know if videos are only available to Americans. Mrtea (talk) 01:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell, the TV shows and animated shorts are for the US iTMS only...so far. But I really don't think it will be very long before you'll be able to get videos purchased from third parties that are viewable on an iPod and with iTunes 6. The catch will be that they will only have Apple's Digital Rights Management for video when sold through iTMS. --JohnDBuell 01:29, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video Purchases 

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ITunes Music Store Protocol. Johnleemk | Talk 11:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[ITunes Music Store Protocol]] merged here 

message: Under digital rights management refering to itunes 4.7.1 the statement reads This adjustment was the result of the renegotiation Apple had with major labels. In 4.7.1, users were further restricted: they were limited to sharing their songs with five computers within 24 hours, rather than the previous five at a time.
I dont know the correct statement someone should fix it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NeverLogic (talk • contribs) 21:23, 17 January 2006.
:I have rephrased that sentence. The previous limit didn't exist, users could share songs (via Bonjour) with any number of computers. Mushroom 03:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is true that iTunes sharing was limited to 5 computers at a time for bandwidth purposes... however, this really doesn't have to do with the iTMS, just iTunes itself.  The iTMS sharing is based on the number of computers each account is allowed to authorize.  It doesn't matter if the song has DRM or not when you stream between machines you are now limited to a maximum 5 different computers per 24-hour period.  -PaulC/T+ 16:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, I didn't know that. But I knew that the limit is in iTunes and not in the Store. Since that sentence could be confusing, I have removed it. The sharing limitation is already discussed in the iTunes article and it is already listed here under "Features and restrictions". Mushroom 05:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  False statement 

message: Is it not true that merely changing the order of the tracks in a playlist will allow you to burn it again seven more times?
Why don't you just create a new playlist? And, actually, I don't think that the discussion page is for resolving such matters. --Alexignatiou 20:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burning a Playlist 

message: The article currently lists three Beatles song on iTunes Music Store. However, a search brings up only one album collaboration (In the Beginning) between Tony Sheridan and The Beatles/Beat Brothers (an early alternate name for the band since "Beatles" sounded too similar to a  German slang word for penis). In that album, with only one song, "Cry for a Shadow," is solely credited to The Beatles. The only two other songs mistakenly credited to The Beatles are actually instrumental covers by guitarist Pedro Guasti. This article should be edited to reflect this. Egan Loo 19:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Beatles songs 

message: Does anyone have any more details on the outcome of the referral of iTunes to the European Commission? Or if it hasn't happened yet, does anyone have anymore info. Did they (OFT) lose or what? Cause not too long ago, I e-mailed the europa.eu (then europa.eu.int) site and asked that exact question: Is it not a violation of single-market rules, that shops restrict purchases to credit cards registered in certain areas. What they pretty much said was: no. They can do what they want. But then I saw this. Anyone know? - Рэдхот 09:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Office of Fair Trading/European Commission 

message: I just created the pre-order status article because this has become important for the iTunes Music Store. It's not very detail and I would like for any of you to elavorate more in this section. I'm not sure if the table is complete but the albums included in there have been on pre-order status.--Toosmart215 02:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pre-order staus 

message: pre-order is in consideration for deletion. I believe (no personal reasons) this article should not be deleted, the pre-order in the iTunes Music Store has become widely popular for the release of future albums. At this moment, there are three albums in this status. If the article doesn't seem reasonable to be an article, please emerge it to the iTunes Music Store. The list of the albums release through this method should be taken into consideration.--Toosmart215 02:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-order 

message: Does anyone know how much artists get paid per album/song download?  Does it depend on their contract?  I wonder how this compares to how much Russian artists get paid from AllOfMP3.com.  Also, I read an interview with Weird Al Yankovic that he gets paid more per CD than per album bought on iTMS. Downhill battle  and futureofmusic  have more. Kslays 15:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artist Payment 

message: Let's not jump the gun, but right now the iTunes Music Store is down (presumably in readiness for an announcement at today's "Showtime" event), and is suddenly calling itself the "iTunes Store" instead of the "iTunes Music Store" - I'm guessing the focus is about to shift from music to music and video - this page will probably therefore need to be renamed iTunes Store accordingly once this change of name has been confirmed by Apple... Mr WR 14:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page name change? 

message: I removed some text from the "Milestones" section as follows:
  "Apple also introduced the ability to acquire artwork for albums not purchased through iTunes for the first time. iTunes had long been 
  lacking in this feature which Windows Media Player (its primary competitor) had had for quite some time."
This is out of place in the Milestones area IMO since we don't mention any other iTunes client features there.  Consider moving to the iTunes client article.  PxT 18:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Milestones 

message: Here are just a few from the iTunes overview page that may be worth bringing up:
*Automatic album art
*Download manager (allows you to change the order you download content in, i.e. so you don't have to download the 1.64GB movie before your three 3MB songs)
cluth 19:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, oops, I'm a little groggy this morning. I edited the above list to apply only to the iTMS/iTS. The rest should go over to the iTunes article. cluth 19:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New features to discuss? 

message: Is is relevant to mention the interface change around early- mid September and the introduction (And possible scrapping) of the "Just For You" feature? TheKillerAngel 23:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  iTunes music store history/trivia 

message: I think the infobox pricing needs to be changed, since prices differ on TV Shows, movies, and games now as well. Either it should be removed, or there should be a different section of pricing for each item the store carries. The store is no longer just a music store, so I don't think that it has been updated since the name switch last week. --Nehrams2020 21:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox pricing 

message: Like the graph of sold iPods, it would be nice with a graph of sold songs on iTunes Store. And also, another graph of sold music videos, movies etc.. // Cje from swedish Wikipedia 23:40, 24 October 2006 (CET)
:I posted a link to an applet with that information for the songs today (I originally claimed that the link had been removed, but now I see it again - weird). I will produce some images and post them, I just want to make the graph a bit better first. Robert Kosara 01:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graph of number of sold songs 

message: Hi User:AlistairMcMillan: Since I couldn't find a comprehensive list of music stores and their DRM mechanisms, I'm fine with the switch from "most" to "other." Do think the sentence you removed is poorly worded, untrue, or simply in need of a citation? I'll try to find a citation and reinsert that sentence when time allows. PuerExMachina 23:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock aspects 

message: Should reference to Apple's blatant disregard for EU free trade legislation not be made under the criticism section? Also, does anyone know if there has been any progress in the EC investigation?
87.246.65.245 04:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU Free Trade Infringements 

message: Do you think ITunes contributes to Vendor lock-in?  Would it help to have a category identifying :Category:Non-interoperable systems?  The issue is being voted on, please contribute your vote / opinion:  here. Pgr94 23:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vendor lock-in? 

message: What was the first movie available to get on iTunes? Wasn't it High School Musical? I'm pretty sure it is, because I got that shortly after it debuted on TV (which was Jan. 2006), and I distinctly remember you could get music videos and TV shows, but not full-length movies yet. Isn't that notable to be put in? Anakinjmt 02:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I thought so. I've never fully understood the adding in links to the article, so I'll let someone else do that, but here's the source Anakinjmt 05:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First movie 

message: i dont know if this sort of criticism has been echoed elsewhere, but itunes has a glaring weakness: the $1 for a song is comparable to $15 for a cd of 15 songs, but CD's have about 10X the data as mp3's per unit time! this means that on itunes, for the same price as cds, you get much less of the art, much less of the data, etc, plus all the errors that come up with lossy compression (bit aliasing, nyquist frequency issues, reduced dynamic range, etc).... since the itunes store is the premiere site that sells mp3s at such a price, this info should be included. to exclude this very shocking point is to endorse itunes which is a form of bias which violates NPOV. people deserve to know the facts.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.208.17 (talk • contribs).
:Personally I wouldn't pay for music which has lossy compression and DRM at any price, but that's irrelevant. What the article needs is a criticism section based on criticisms of itunes from reputable published sources. LDHan 21:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even that is generally a bad idea, see Wikipedia:Criticism. -- KelleyCook 21:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: By the way, this guy gets my nomination for the world's most prescient troll. -- KelleyCook 15:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  sale of LOSSY-COMPRESSED files for $1! 

message: Will I be able to put it on a different player than ipod?
Will I be able to copy songs from 1 computer to the next if they are both owned by me?
Will I be able to burn as many cds as I want?
Can I convert to WMA file? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.151.236.165 (talk) 01:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Yes(you can even copy it to friends, acquaintances and strangers), Yes and Yes(but why would you want to do that?).203.109.167.159 12:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DRM-FREE = Please explain what this means. 

message: I think there should be a section added about the present proceedings the European Commission has entered regarding apple and other record companies (see http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/07/126&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en) regarding the inability for Europeans to buy from other European itunes stores and the fact that in Eurozone countries (Ireland, France, Germany) a track costs 0.99EUR but 0.79GBP (1.16EUR).
The companies have 2 months to respond and the European commission could decide to fine Apple up to $2 Billion. 
Cimex 09:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Commission Investiagation 

message: At what bitrate and filetype does Apple sell its videos (TV and movies)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.55.41.183 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bitrate Q 

message: No mention of the data harvesting scandals and security holes.
Shouldn't someone tackle this?
(Google "iTunes security" for further info) Wiki2020 15:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  iTunes software security vulnerabilities 

message: I have removed this sentence from the "Market share and milestones" section:
* Young Modern, the fifth album by the Australian band Silverchair, to be released on March 31, 2007 was the first album to ever go to chart as number one on iTunes by pre-order.  
No citation, and I personally doubt that this is the case, especially since it may have happened only on the Australian iTunes Store. IIRC, I recall seeing Norah Jones's Not Too Late at the #1 spot on the US iTunes Store on pre-orders alone. If someone can say that this claim is indeed fact with a valid citation, then go ahead and put it back. NicolaM 06:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First #1 album on pre-orders? 

message: This is the same format available if the user signs up directly with Audible.com and chose the "iPod" format. is just plain wrong.
Audiobooks purchased through iTMS are AAC Encoded fairplay protected mp4 files (using the m4b extension, rather than the m4p extension that is normal for fairplay protected files), They also probably (i have not checked) use the chapter metadata system to provide basic chapter markers. (The chapter metadata system supports much more, including illustrations, and clickable hyperlinks [well, clickable when viewed in iTunes]).  (The files can be de-protected using QTfairuse, but the file extensions need to be played with for that).
However, when you download files from audible.com, you recive .aa files which use a completely different type of DRM. iTunes and iPod have special support for this format and DRM system, but it is not the same.
The audio itself may be more or less the same, and the books are split up into "parts" like audible's, but the formats are different.
I despise the spliting of a book into arbitrary "parts" just to keep the filesizes smaller. This messes with the chaptering system, and the display of time elapsed since begin of book/ time remaining till end of book. It also has other consequences. 
For what its worth, it is possible to create your own audiobooks that iTunes/iPod would treat just like the Official ones. To do this you first need to get the entire audio of the book into one m4a file. This can be tricky. If trying to rip form cd's you may want to rip first to mp3 at a minimal compression level. Then concatenate the mp3 files using some utility that allows you to do that. Then import into iTunes, and right click on the mp3 file and request for it to be converted to AAC. One you have your .m4a file, rename it to use the m4b extension.  Now you may want to add chapter metadata and possible illustations. To do this you would use Apple's chaptertool, or any other mp4 metadata editor that supports the chaptering metadata. (The chaptering metadata is also used by the "enhanced" podcasts.) Thats it.
For some reason, even with the existence of AtomicParsley, I have yet to find a good windows GUI editor for iTunes metadata that includes the basic song metadata (including the 'explicit' icon metadata), video metadata (such the tv-show metadata), and the chaptering metadata. 
Well Thats all. 67.76.205.110 05:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio books 

message: Why has someone requested a citation for  "EU: EU€0.99/2.49/NA (excl. Slovenia)". If its citation that the Store isn't available there, could they not just look up iTunes and see there's no option for Slovenia? Also, on another note, why are we now using EU€? It looks completely ridiculous since only one currency uses € for the currency sign, so why do we need to disambiguate? - EstoyAquí(t • c • e) 10:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Slovenia citation 

message: I added the fact that there are now 8 iPod Games for download. ~Silence_Knight
What's the justification for saying the store are "about 24 million songs worldwide"? Apple's press release this month claims "over six million songs" in the US store. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/09/05itunes.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.164.38 (talk) 20:06, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalogue 

message: "Volume discounts of up to 20% are available for purchases of more than 25,000 songs.""
This might be true, I don't know, but who would buy songs for $25,000?
Is this somehow verifiable?
Peter Sjöberg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peter sjoberg (talk • contribs) 20:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a citation for volume discounts - the answer is that it's intended for promotional giveaways like the Pepsi one a while back. It's also worth noting that the conditions seem to be different in different countries, so as it stands the statement describes the US store. --Maebmij 06:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pricing? 

message: Are the records encoded in "normal" AAC or AAC+ (that is classic AAC with SBR)?
(aka HE-AAC)
--Xerces8 19:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AAC Low Complexity - EstoyAquí(t • c • e) 19:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "plain" AAC or AAC+ ? 

message: Ummm, i think Australian iTunes Store is getting TV Shows and Rentals. Because with the latest update with the Australian iPod store the iPod had a heading stating Rentals. So maybe Australian iTunes store is getting rentals? BatterBean (talk) 07:39, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian iTunes Store 

message: There isn't a single reference to the percentage that, through a mp3 purchase, the artist gets. I've read non-official references that put the percentage below 3%, which means that the artist earns less per download than the credit card companies --Mecanismo | Talk 18:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be an extremely valuable section of the article, if proper references could be provided.  I remember Weird Al Yankovic mentioning that he received substantially more money from CD sales than from the iTunes Store per album.  This would not only be a useful aid in comparing various online stores, but is also important encyclopedic information about the online stores themselves. -kslays (talk) 20:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  artist revenue? 

message: can you download videos from the wireless itunes  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.233.162 (talk) 02:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  wi-fi iTunes 

message: So if you don't have a credit card does that mean that we can't buy any songs?
$$MONEY~BAGS$$  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.138.21.46 (talk) 05:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  if we don't have a credit card 

message: The "iPod games" section is just a long string of repetitive sentences which tend to only repeat the content of the full article (linked to) on the subject. Shouldn't this section be condensed/summarized? Jeremy Avalon (talk) 22:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod games section 

message: WP:NOT#DIRECTORY is pretty explicit here: Wikipedia is not a sales catalog.  Therefore without justification, there can be no pricing within Wikipedia, and yet pricing from all over the world is all over this article.  I can't see it being allowed.  The only justified pricing would be a mention that it was the iTunes Music Store was founded with the unprecedented price of 99 cents per song with no monthly fees, which was very different from any of the previous subscription model. -- KelleyCook (talk) 21:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't find the mention of the prices problematic (and to only mention the US sales price would be rather unbalanced), though having references that compared prices in each location with other music options would be helpful. However, the long lists of content in various stores (particularly for movies) does come closer to being a sales catalog and could use some trimming. Gusworld (talk) 08:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Using Wikipedia for comparison shopping is precisely WHY pricing is considered problematic. -- KelleyCook (talk) 10:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quoting Pricing vs. [[WP:NOT]] a Sales catalog 

message: I just found out about iTunes U and it was like finding a $5,000 lottery ticket.  Apparently no body knows about it, as I have went to MCAT message boards and everyone's like "no never heard of it".  It has amazing science review!  Sentriclecub (talk) 11:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Call for expanding iTunes U 

message: What the hell is this?? "The iTunes store is not available in the Philippines,but some people there get to buy files."
That happens everywhere in the world. In every country... I say, that has nothing to do in the article. I'm going to delete it....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.146.122.115 (talk) 22:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What??