Talk:Teflon-coated bullet

message: NPOV! For God's sake! I'll do what I can here, but there's been so many edits and counter-edits we might need a total re-write.
The POV portion is the discussion of what people think (misconception, etc.) The facts of the show, what it claimed, what has not happened, and the conclusion to be drawn, are all valid.--Buckboard 17:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, are you posting on the right article? "the show"? It's ok, I've done it before myself!
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvcopk.html
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XII/159/159-18.htm
Here are two of the links I used. I'll add them when I have the time. --Therealhazel 16:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I think this should go to "Cop killer bullet", as that's the real issue--teflon is not a functional component of armor piercing ability of the bullet, it's the core materials that give it the hardness needed to penetrate steel without deformation.  This in turn lead to the public outcry (or media crucifixion, take your pick) against "cop killer bullets".  While teflon is mentioned in the law banning armor piercing handgun ammunition, so is core content, and the ban also impacts rifle ammunition such as 7.62 x 51 mm and 7.62 x 39 mm. See http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/legal/armor.htm for information on banned ammunition. scot 16:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: In anticipation of rewriting this to cover AP handgun ammunition (since teflon is merely perhipheral to the whole issue), I'm collecting some resource links here:
*"Cop-killer" Bullets By Mike Casey, guncite.com
*ATF Online, AP ammo page
*NRA-ILA page on federal ammo legislation
* ARMOR-PIERCING AND EXPLODING BULLETS HEARINGS  SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME
*The Return of a Legislative Legend:  Debating “cop-killers.” David Kopel, NRO
*NIJ Standard 0101.03, Ballistic Resistance of Police Body Armor
*1994 Steel-Core Importation Ban The Gun Zone
scot 14:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: How did they come up with this list "tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium"?  Couldn't someone do the same thing (if that is anything at all) using some nickel-niobium-tantalum alloy, or any of a thousand other potential metals that might be harder than lead?  More to the point, does such a bill establish that it is legally acceptable to outlaw lead bullets? Wnt (talk) 20:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tungsten alloys, carbide steel and beryllium copper have all been used in small bore military AP ammo, brass and iron were used by KTW, and of course everyone has heard of the DU penetrators used by tank guns.  And you're too late, lead ammunition has already been outlawed in some cases--specifically, waterfowl hunting, which is a Federal law, and California is trying to ban all lead bullets on the off chance one might be eaten by a condor.  scot (talk) 20:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metals list 

message: I know nothing about the subject but was curious that the article starts out with "Teflon-coated bullets are handgun bullets..." Teflon coated ammunition has never been manufactured for long guns or larger guns (howitzers, etc.)? --Marc Kupper|talk 05:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Handguns only? 

message: I found the article to be well-written and contain lots of useful info, but most of it was useless for a European like myself. In order to reflect that fact and save time for other readers, I modified the section title from "Legal Status" to "Legal Status in the United States" since it is USA-centric information.
I have no real problem with that, but when writing articles please remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for English-speaking users and not just for North Americans... so the titles of e.g. the legal sections should reflect the scope of the various laws. 77.49.102.191 (talk) 13:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA-centric information, so I changed a section's title accordingly 

message: This topic is already covered on the Armor-piercing shot and shell page, under the Armor-piercing ammunition section. There's no need for a separate (and severely unWikipedic) page here. Merge. --Noclevername (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I hate to copy-and-paste things, but I think the subject matter is worth noting, and adding to the article in some form. It is taken from an anonymous source, posted originally on the rec.guns newsgroup, found archived at http://www.recguns.com/Sources/VG2.html .
"At some point in 1981, or perhaps 1979, Congressman Mario Biaggi (D-N.Y.), a very highly decorated retired NYC police officer, and a Congressman from the Bronx, N.Y., got wind of this ammo, and the fact that in some calibers it could penetrate the level II vest worn by some police officers as protection against handgun shooting. He, in concert with NBC, began in 1981, a campaign to publicize the existence of the ammo, and to whip up public outrage against this threat. He claimed that the Teflon coating permitted 20% greater penetration than a bullet without it, and that the coating assisted in penetrating body armor. He was assisted by Mr. Arthur Kassel, the then owner of the Beverly Hills (CA) Gun Club, who helped whip up media interest in California in the KTW round, and the dangerousness of its civilian availability...
The NRA opposed Rep. Biaggi's initial (1982) legislation because it used a performance standard, any handgun ammunition which would penetrate 18 layers of the Kevlar material used to make soft body armor would be covered by the law. This would have had the effect of banning nearly all rifle rounds for which handguns were made, as soft body armor cannot, in general, resist rifle ammunition. In the end, the NRA helped draft the current law, which is based on the construction of the bullet, without regard to its ability to penetrate body armor. Thus some pistol rounds which do penetrate some soft body armor are not affected, while rounds which do not penetrate body armor are regulated. And the problem of a law meant to apply to handgun ammunition also regulating rifle ammunition, including 7.62x51 and 7.62x39, was not solved by the re-write."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dratgin (talk • contribs) 08:45, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congressman Biaggi's 1982 Hearings 

message: I just wanted to add, that those bullets are mentioned in Stargate SG1. That is where I heard of these in the first place. The article mentions Ronin, which I can confirm, also mentions these bullets.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.33.43.114 (talk) 23:51, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional TV references