Talk:Pixies (band)/Archive 1

message: The section "After the breakup" infers that Kim Deal struggled with heroin addiction.  It was actually her twin sister, Kelley, who was ultimately arrested and sent to court-ordered rehab after signing for a package of heroin from U.P.S. in a sting operation.  Kelley ultimately recovered, and is also in the Breeders.
:take a stab at making the edit yourself :) join the fun. Kingturtle 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kim/Kelley

message: What's with the blurb at the bottom regarding not recording a new studio album? I haven't heard anything about it, and it seems tacked on, considering that the writing style differs greatly from the body of the article. Is it true, and if so should I, or someone else remove the Pixies from the upcoming 2004 albums list?
:Yeah thats a new one on me. It doesnt say it on Pixiesmusic.com, which I find to be the most reliable source around on them. Robinoke 16:58, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New studio album?

message: I'm being pedantic here, but shouldn't Pixies redirect to The Pixies instead of v/v?   I'm too lazy to look for a Wp standard, but Beatles and Kinks seem to be set up that way.  PhilipR 13:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlike The Kinks and The Beatles, it appears (the) Pixies never used the definite article with their name.  There is the case of "Death to the Pixies", but you can perhaps read that as a plea not to call them "The Pixies" :) --Ryano 16:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I stand corrected.  Thanks.   PhilipR 16:23, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Death to the Pixies? MacRusgail 17:11, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, see above. --Ryano 23:28, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: In common usage, "the Pixies" is much more frequently used, as far as I can see.  This article overwhelmingly uses "the Pixies", and, in my opinion, not using the definite article hampers readability: "Pixies went on tour/Pixies appeared at festival X/Pixies broke up" is just kind of silly and awkward-sounding, to me.  I've changed the heading from "Pixies (not The Pixies)" to "Pixies (frequently referred to as The Pixies), which makes it clear that the official name has no definite article, while allowing for the common usage throughout the article. Anazgnos 00:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There's a difference between The Pixies and the Pixies... Pixies is the name of the band, and the article title should reflect that; Pixies (band) or similar would be preferable to an incorrect name. -- Xinit 23:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

text:  Who changed the article name? Pixies was fine, and the band *never* refer to themselves as The Pixies. Also, people searching for 'Pixies' are no doubt looking for the band - why redirect to a disambig page? Why was no consensus reached, and the article just moved? I'll putting in a request for move to the old page. CloudNine 09:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing "The" 

message: Lovering kind of gets a raw deal in the post Pixies section.  "Low" was a pretty solid alternative hit in America.  Cracker had a decent first album.  I mean, I liked it when I was 15.  Perhaps it's no longer, or never was, hip.  But that's irrelevant.  Someone should add Cracker to that other magician stuff.
Are you sure you're not thinking of David Lowery (frontman of Cracker and Camper Van Beethoven)? Hoof Hearted 15:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lovering 

message: I find the tense changes in this paragraph jarring:
:Francis was the group's primary songwriter and singer. He has a distinctly desperate, yowling delivery, and typically writes cryptic songs about offbeat subjects, such as unidentified flying objects and surrealism. Violent Biblical imagery and references to mental instability and incest also feature highly in much of his work. Deal contributed songs as well, and her often feathery voice acted as an oddly effective counterbalance to Francis (Incidentally, the then-married Deal was credited as "Mrs. John Murphy" on the first few Pixies records).
Would all-past or all-present (not sure about the band's post-reunion plans) be more appropriate?   - PhilipR 18:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, guess I never replied.   Sorry about that.   I like your version, so I'll see if it got included in the present revision. - PhilipR 05:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense 

message: :Musically, it has been argued that the Pixies were just slightly ahead of their time.
Yes, I've heard this said too, but it would be good to have references to people who've said it.
--Daf 20:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And their sound was already established by the Velvet Underground and Phil Spector. Anazgnos 17:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahead of their time? 

message: I think previous versions of this article have cited Kim's nom de plume to the proper extent (last line in third paragraph).  She was only credited at Mrs. John Murphy on the first two Pixies albums, and is far better known as Kim Deal.  Would anyone object to removing the pseudonym from other locations in the article, particularly the band infobox? Hoof Hearted 21:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was bold and enacted this. I think it looks better now. Guinnog 19:27, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mrs. John Murphy 

message: Just a minor thing, and I guess I could have corrected it myself, but I'm not quite sure of Wikipedia policy on naming external links. Anyways, here goes. The links at the end named "Pixies Music - The Online Fan Community" and "Just Another Pixies site" refer to the same website.
: The policy is to edit stuff like that yourself :) Well spotted, I've removed the duplicate. --Ryano 23:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate link

message: I think it will be suited that someone will add the good new about the Pixies documentary, loudQUIETloud. It has already an official site and it also appears in the IMDb
:Agreed. If someone could create a loudQUIETloud page, that would be the cat's pajamas (I haven't seen the documentary yet, so I'm hesitant to do it myself). Mmmtravis 10:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: loudQUIETloud

message: :Pruned the "reunion" section.  Apart from questionable info in leading statements, there seemed to be a tendency to list every single festival date and television appearance in exhaustive detail.  Condensed into a brief, broader overview.  Also updated new album news. Anazgnos 22:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Music Project evaluation 

message: I saw that the original GA tag was placed in Dec 2005. However, after reviewing history logs on this page and over at WP:GAC, I can not find any sufficient proof that the article was actually reviewed for GA criteria. I have submitted it for review. Agne 18:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nomination

message: Yeah that was deservedly a Good Article, maybe you could condese th Pop Culture section, I don't know why there was no evidence of it being passed in the first place though
(The Bread 11:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Passing 

message: The Pixies have released four DVD's since they reformed but they dont appear to be in the article. There is the best of DVD, and three tour DVDs which I noticed in a record store yesterday. Is there a reason why these are not mentioned? Robinoke 11:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD's 

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support, no other articles named "Pixies" Teemu08 19:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The fuss over the definite article is silly. No, it's not part of the name, just as "the" isn't part of "the United States" or "the White House" or "the ACLU" or "the University of Arizona", or "the Moon", but it is still used as per standard English (i.e. "the" or "The" depending on context, etc.).
To settle it, look at any quote from Frank Black:
"I'd love to see someone do their doctorate on The Pixies. Then we might discover something."
"I can listen to a Pixies record and say, 'Oh yeah, there is some Iggy Pop impersonating right there.'"
Bands incorporating "The" into their name (the way books and films traditionally do) are a modern-day quirk. The Pixies (that is to say, the Pixies) don't do anything out of the norm. 
Just putting that silly issue to bed. ☮ —tilde 01:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have articles at The Beatles, The Kinks, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Cure, The Smashing Pumpkins, The Black Eyed Peas, and countless others. Don't forget The Band, either. We still say "a Beatles record," but everyone knows the group is The Beatles. This is not as clear-cut as you imply. Dekimasu 09:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "the" is not part of the name, but rather the preceding article. 67.172.61.222 03:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definite article 

message: I don't think that:
Brodie Foster Hubbard, who has been compared vocally to Frank Black, is often seen wearing a Pixies t-shirt in concert, and has covered "Wave of Mutilation" in performance, as well as songs from Black's solo efforts such as "Billy Radcliffe."
has a place in the article. There are tons of artists who are fans of the Pixies and incorporate lyrics and songs of theirs into their concerts (for example, Dave Grohl, Eddie Vedder ). The best place for this is in the Brodie Foster Hubbard article - as personally, I don't want the legacy/popular culture section turning into a bulletpoint list again like it used to be. CloudNine 10:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brodie Foster Hubbard fact 

message: Would anyone mind if I edited the band's infobox to separate the Studio albums from the live albums from the best-ofs?  For clarity's sake.  (The singles need no change, I don't think.) -EmperorNortonX 8 October 2006 (I don't know how to convert to UTC time...)
*No, go right ahead! I've been meaning to get around to doing that :) CloudNine 14:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band Infobox 

message: Hi, I tried a couple of times to add a link to Frank Black's new blog at http://mog.com/frank_black, but it fell off. What can I do to get that link on this page? Anything? Just trying to get the word out, thanks -jess (newbie, obviously) 14 October 2006
:I removed it because I felt it was more on-topic in the Frank Black article. By the way, use ~~~~ to add your name at the end of a comment. CloudNine 19:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a link 

message: Hi there, nice to see this article up to featured, but looking at the nom page, only objections were addressed... and I fear I have another to raise :/
To quote Wikipedia:Music samples:
* It's better to insert the samples next to paragraph mentioning them to justify their fair use, instead of grouping them in the end of the article.
* There's no limit of how many samples you could use in one article, but you have to put in mind that music samples serve as tools for a better understanding of the article, so insert only relevant samples.
(see Elliott Smith for an example of this)
This should probably be addressed in the article as all the samples are grouped at the end of the article and some are redundant there because there are in-line samples of the songs in the article (eg. "Bam Thwok"). I recommend re-formatting the inclusion of the samples in the article to follow these guidelines. Don't have time to do it myself, but I'll help when I can. - Phorque 13:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samples need to comply to guidelines 

message: I've taken a crack at this.  Removed a lot of the probably-unnecessary specific recounting of dates and left (hopefully) the main notable stuff.  A starting point, at least.  I invite anyone else to go over it too; I didn't want to presume to cross that item off the list myself... Anazgnos 04:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Final To-Do item: Condensing Reunion

message: While the song Debaser does indeed reference Salvador Dali's film, Un Chien Andalou, a seminal surrealist film (especially the scene of an eyeball being sliced), the songs point of reference is completely different.  It actually is talking about a Professor of Film at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, Professor Don Levine.
http://www.umass.edu/film/
Levine shows Un Chien Andalou as part of his avante-garde film class almost every semester.  Apparently him and Black had a verbal debate on the film when Black was at UMASS.  The song DEBASER refers to how Levine debased Black's opinion publicly during the class.  Many actually consider Levine to be an asshole.  Levine commonly refers to this episode during his classes, noting the song was written about him.
-a UMASS grad. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iagoodman (talk • contribs) 21:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's word of mouth though. Where the reference in a third-party reviewed publication? CloudNine 21:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Debaser

message: I added a rather choice photo from a 1989 Greece concert. Zoom way in, and you can kinda see the smoke rising from the cigarette tucked into Joey's headstock! Hope this satisfies the need for a photo. Oystermind 19:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much! Just made a few alterations to do with the image's position etc. I'll supply a fair use rationale. CloudNine 19:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. CloudNine 20:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1989 Photo

message: For some reason the first thing that popped into my head when I woke up today was "Hey, the Pixies were mentioned in the end credits of Empire Records!" Two characters are talking about what makes a great band, and one insists it's having great basslines and cites the Pixies as an example. I really haven't seen the movie all the way through, so someone who's more familiar with the film might want to clarify what it actually said in the film.  WesleyDodds 22:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Just found that in Fool the World, so I might add that reference soon. I'm currently reverting IP vandalism and unsourced edits from a user called Charlesmkthompson. CloudNine 08:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorporated. Apparently two TV series talk about the band as well. CloudNine 14:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop culture reference 

message: In 2005, the band made appearances at festivals including Lollapalooza,[77] "T on the Fringe",[78] and the Newport Folk Festival.[79] They continued to make appearances through 2006 and 2007,[80][81] culminating in their first-ever appearances in Australia.[82] Since 2005, Francis has at various times stated that the Pixies recording a new studio album was either a possibility,[83][84][85] or an unlikelihood,[86][87] the main obstacle being Deal's reluctance to do so.[88][89]
The portion of the sentence "culminating in their first-ever appearances in Australia." seems a bit off topic. Yes they traveled their, but it pales in significance to the rest of the sentence and serves no real purpose. 06:45, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reunion 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: There is rough consensus that as the plural of pixie it is most appropriate to redirect there; many editors referred to WP:RPURPOSE. Those opposing mainly did so based on their personal preference, without giving any evidence of a primary topic — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:44, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Pixies →  – WP:ASTONISH DAB from Pixie, Pixies (Artemis Fowl), Pixies (EP), Pixies (film), Pixies (The Fairly OddParents) and Pixies (Winx Club). Even though readers are used to seeing things at the plural and the band does get more views [] there are a number of other articles. The creature is probably primary by PT#2 and per WP:NOPRIMARY a DAB page makes sense. The band is named after the creature though it appears the name was selected somewhat randomly but the creatures do frequently come in the plural. I suggest that for the same reason as at Talk:Hearts that we have a separate "Pixies" DAB page since only the creature would be searched/referred to interchangeably as "Pixie"/"Pixies" however like at Talk:Spades (card game)#Requested move 28 April 2019 it might still be preferred to have a single DAB, thus "Pixies" redirecting to Pixie (disambiguation). There was an old RM at Talk:Pixies/Archive 1#Requested move so The Pixies is another option. Crouch, Swale (talk)  18:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "There is confusion because the creature commonly comes in the plural". According to what? Opinions and Wikipedia are not reliable sources. © Tbhotch™</font> (en-2.5). 20:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well its just you're opinion that the band is primary (you haven't cited any evidence to suggest it is and 2 editors above think that the creature is primary) and classes of things are frequently referred to in the plural its just WP convention that we use plurals (WP:PLURAL), per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT a different title may be a competitor (or even be primary!) for a term such as Bones, Cars and Cats. In this case I'm asking far less than what has been done at Bones, that is, that there is no primary topic, isn't that a reasonable compromise? Crouch, Swale (talk)  20:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not opposed to move the band, I'm opposed to the BS nominations you keep doing over plurals without citing anything other than "on Commons" or "per X". We are not a dictionary. © Tbhotch™</font> (en-2.5). 20:42, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

text: Thank God Madonna coined "Rebel Heart". Or didn't she... © Tbhotch™</font> (en-2.5). 20:44, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since "Rebel Heart" is not the name of any specific longstanding historical topic, this comment is of no value to the discussion. bd2412 T 17:57, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you should travel to Ireland before asserting it is not a "longstanding historical" term. By the Way, are Ice Cubes relevant enough for you? Because there are hundreds of similar examples. We are an encyclopedia not a dictionary.  © Tbhotch™</font> (en-2.5). 23:46, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: By the Way is in no way comparable since we don't (and it doesn't look like we could) have an article on the general meaning of that word, secondly per WP:DIFFCAPS (like Iron maiden/Iron Maiden) if we did that would be located at By the way (lower case "w"). Similarly while the rapper is at Ice Cube (upper case "C") the frozen water is at Ice cube (lower case "c"). However in this case even if you type "pixies" (lower case "p") as opposed to "Pixies" (upper case "P") you still end up on the band article, same goes with "Friends" v "friends". If it was possible to title the 1st letter differently then I would be happy with having "Pixies" about the band and "pixies" redirect to the article on the creature (with appropriate hatnotes on both articles, such as "for the creature, see pixies, for other uses see Pixies (disambiguation)"). The same goes with Friends. However since both "friends" and "pixies" have encyclopedia articles and DIFFCAPS doesn't work, disambiguation is needed for both. Crouch, Swale (talk)  20:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Please note the redirect may not be retargeted until all of the incoming links are sorted out. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

text: There are still 806 mainspace links that need fixing, normally I'd do it myself but that's too many to do manually, is it worth posing a request at WP:AWB/TA what do you think ? as you know more about this and have AWB. Crouch, Swale (talk)  17:10, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks  all completed. Crouch, Swale (talk)  18:31, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 May 2019 

message: :Pixies → :Pixies (band)
* The above RM was moved after a very poor discussion.  It is fairly obvious from pageviews since the move that "Pixies" is the main article for the subject.  Since the move, the band itself has gained many thousands of new views, due to a new album and tour.  Here are the pageviews for the main page (and "Pixie", which has far less views), and here are the pageviews for the redirect "Pixies" - the similarity is clear. It is obvious that the vast majority of editors who are typing in "Pixies" are looking for the band.  Therefore, the redirect Pixies should point to Pixies (band).  Anything else is ludicrous. Black Kite (talk) 02:24, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: * To be honest, that's even more pointless.  The usage stats clearly show that people typing in "Pixies" are looking for the band, not the fictional creature, so doing that still makes them click twice.  Redirects should assist the user, not work against them.  If any user looking for the creature does type in the plural, the hatnote will get them back to where they should be.  If this was a low-traffic page it wouldn't be an issue, but the band gets around 700,000 views a year (as compared to around 190,000 for the fictional creature). Black Kite (talk) 12:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfM: Requested redirect

message: Hi , , , , , , , , anyone else...
I was wondering whether anybody would be interested in helping clean up the Pixies page with me. I’d be interested in helping too but I unfortunately wouldn’t have enough time to do it by myself. Issues include broken links (including some of the old NME ones) and unreliable sources such as the fansite Slicingupeyeballs.com. Just now I noticed this mistaken edit by an anonymous user that went unnoticed for seven years: [] It could be useful to fact-check some of the other info, to be sure of the integrity of all information and be sure we’re keeping the article at FA level.
I worked on helping fix it up for the FAR in 2011 but have been woefully bad at maintaining it since.
It would also be nice to look at coherency from a 2020 standpoint. For example, the article says “On June 14, 2013, the Pixies announced that Deal had left the band. Deal has since released new solo music and the remaining Pixies have invited her to come back as her schedule with Breeders allows.” One wonders how relevant/valid this invitation of seven years ago is still now, especially since Lenchantin seems to be quite integrated in the band now. (Or maybe there have been more recent invitations? If so, it would be great to find and add them.) This is just an example, there may be other old statements worth re-examining.
Anyone wanna help out? ☺ Moisejp (talk) 02:45, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I'll give the article a once-over at some point soon. If I don't, it just means I've forgotten because I am crap, so feel free to ping me again if you want. Popcornfud (talk) 15:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with cleaning up