Talk:Pinot noir

message: I am sorry to say that I cannot find any mention of a grape varietal in the said work (read in English translation) that corresponds to pinot noir. Please correct me if I have unwittingly passed over something.
NilsGLindgren (talk) 15:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference to Columella's De Re Rustica

message: Does anyone have a contribution/edit on the production of Pinot Noir in Marlborough?JonathanG
:I probably should. There's far more there than anywhere else (although of course much of that is destined for Lindauer). On the other hand, I don't think that Marlborough is really excelling to the extent that even Nelson is. You're welcome to toss something in, or I'll have a reflect on it...
:--Limegreen 22:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marlborough, NZ and Pinot Noir 

message: There is no section for the US in Pinot Noir, though there have been many celebrated Pinot Noirs coming out of California and Oregon.  I don't have enough knowledge to add the section myself, but I think it could be a good addition.
67.176.41.21 22:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unites States and Pinot Noir 

message: As a lover of Australian Pinots I have added a section about Australia. I'll try to add more later. Please join me. --Bduke 08:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia

message: Hi. This article seems to refer to red wine (although it does mention champagne too). However, on a recent holiday in northern Italy I enjoyed several Pinot Neros which were slightly sparkling white wines, from Oltrepò Pavese. Could anyone shed any light on this? Does Pinot Noir/Nero usually make a red wine (I couldn't actually see explicitly in the article)? Is there an alternative method of making white wine from the same grape? etc. Thanks. 86.1.161.152 15:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so reading the Wine article I've noticed that colour of the wine isn't dependent on the colour of the grape. Would this article benefit from it being stated that both red and white wines are made from the grape? Or is that the case for most grape varieties? Please excuse my ignorance on this matter! 86.1.161.152 15:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sparkling White Pinot Nero? 

message: Some nice photos to have would be a photo of a Burgundy (bottle & glass), Blanc de Noir Champagne and a good Oregon Pinot-maybe a food shot with Salmon. Agne 21:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could tee up a couple of bottles of Burgundy, NZ Pinot, and possibly one from the Macon villages...--Limegreen 23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pinot Noir Photo Request

message: As part of helping to work Pinot Noir up to FA status, I've added source tags to the article for things that an inline citation would be nice to have. Mostly it's for weasel words sentence "Some feel", "some say" etc. We also need to convert some of the quotes into in-line citation for WP:V. Agne 03:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References and Source cited

message: I moved the following bits here because they lack citation and may also represent an individual POV or rely upon weasel words.  If these can be attributed properly, I'd like to see them moved back into the article with the appropriate citation. dpotter 18:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable content 

message: In my opinion, a pronunciation guide for Pinot Noir could be useful. I found "pee-no NWAHR" and some variants from the net, but I suppose it should be in IPA. But I don't know how. Anyone? --Ketorin 12:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: This is obviously inaccurate. I just reverted a change change which renamed the section SPAIN. I believe it should be Spain but the way in which it was done was not correct.
Does anyone have any feelings about this before I change it back to Spain? Gsherry 13:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalan Countries? 

message: The new infobox points to a non-existent section on synonyms. Is such a list a good idea? Is anyone planing to add it? --Bduke 23:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are certainly some synonyms (e.g. Spätburgunder, Pinot nero), so it will get filled out eventually.--Limegreen 00:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Synonyms

message: What about a pronunciation key for how to say Pinot Noir?
170.65.188.2 04:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: This one is a borderline B, so some extra opinions are needed. The most glaring absence is a viticulture & winemaking section (especially since Pinot is notorious in both categories). The wine region section appears comprehensive thanks to all those sub sections but there is really not much substance beyond France and a little about Oregon-with even those sections skipping over a lot of important details. California is hardly mention except for a list. That area could really use a reworking all around. The article could also use a food pairing section. AgneCheese/Wine 00:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Thoughts on assessment

message: Honestly, though all this historical and regional information about wine is very informational and terrific for winos- the article is (if I am not mistaken) about a fruit. Don't you think information should be thrown in there somewhere about the fruit -before- it has been fermented? Or should we adjust the Peach article to be about the wonders of Schnapps, the Banana and Coffee articles to be about Liqueurs, the Coconut be all about Rum and so on? 98.18.34.174 (talk) 02:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is grape variety used for producing wine. --Bduke (talk) 03:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The grapes taste good if you like lots of tannic, dry mouth feel with your sweets and don't mind seeds in your grapes. Go ahead and add something about the taste of the grapes if you find a solid reference to back up your writing. Binksternet (talk) 05:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The articles about grape varieties within WP:WINE usually cover both the grape itself and general information on wines produced from it. Actually, the interest in Pinot Noir and other grape varieties, and the ambition to describe their differences in an encyclopedia, stems almost exclusively from their use in making wine. A few well-known noble Vitis vinifera varieties used for wine, can also be used as table grapes, e.g., Tempranillo, but that use tends to dwarf their use in wine production. However, in most cases grapes of noble varieties are never eaten fresh, since the grapes of varieties destined for wine are usually much smaller and have a significantly higher proportion of seeds than varieties specifically bred as table grapes. Often, commercially grown table grapes are of non-V. vinifera species or are hybrids. Tomas e (talk) 14:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Yeah, but what do the grapes taste like?

message: One of the top Pinot noir areas in California was left out and should be added:  the Santa Maria Valley.
71.246.217.23 (talk) 18:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: sofixit.  And cite sources. -- dpotter (talk) 06:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santa Maria Valley 

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message: This was recently the topic of a paper presented at American Association of Wine Economists.  Article appeared in Wines & Vines trade publication as well.
http://www.wine-economics.org/workingpapers/AAWE_WP25.pdf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.225.207.28 (talk) 07:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinot is not from standard French, but from the old Bourgogne dialect. It apparently was borrowed into English in that form, whereas the spelling in standard French became pineau. See http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/pineau for more information. Mahousu (talk) 22:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sideways" Effect 

message: This article relies heavily on irritating advertisement-grade verbiage like the silly "sex in a bottle", the stupid "god/devil" statements, and the equally idiotic Robert Parker quotation at the end. In my opinion, none of these should be found in an encyclopedia, except perhaps well-quarantined in a "Pinot Noir and the Media" or similar article.
184.97.165.4 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:28, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pointless advertising blurbs 

message: Now I have read two different translations of Columella's De Re Rustica. None of them contains description of a grape reminiscent of Pinot Noir.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by NilsGLindgren (talk • contribs) 21:15, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columella, again 

message: Substituted at 03:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:36, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinot noir →  – Correct capitalization – see reliable sources. The prose of the article also uses capitals. Mast303 (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

text: *@UtherSRG: Please look at reliable sources. Mast303 (talk) 04:55, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

text: *Except in the title of the article, which always begins with a capital letter, it is not "Pinot noir" that is being suggested here, but rather "pinot noir". I'm not sure Google Books is a very good indicator in this case, but at any rate the standard for using caps at WP:MOSCAPS is generally quite strict. Dekimasuよ! 05:03, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *Request is to move this to "Pinot Noir", not "pinot noir"—Jon (talk) 05:22, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *Right. My point was that the current article title does not necessitate the use of "Pinot noir" either. Dekimasuよ! 18:13, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

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thread_title:  Requested move 31 January 2023 

message: I see a lot of good arguments in the recent discussion on a proposed redirect. However, I think a critical point is missing. The Wikipedia Manuel of Style explicitly states:
Per the MOS, grape cultivars should have the first letter of each word in their name capitalized every time. I understand that there are no firm style rules outside of Wikipedia, but this page should conform to the Wikipedia Manual of Style for cultivars. QuintinK (talk) 15:23, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Late comment on proposed redirect  

message: The article starts, "Pinot noir or Pinot nero is a red-wine ... The name is derived from the French words for pine and black." However 'Pinot nero' is Italian rather than French. Two questions.
# Should we add the Italian translation for a grape that is normally called by its French name?
# If yes, where should we put this translation?
One possibility is to add a section with other language names such as the German Spätburgunder. OrewaTel (talk) 13:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinot Nero