Talk:Football/Archive 4

message: I don't think the picture that has just been added is appropriate. It's too modern. Mintguy (T) 21:50, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: (Copied from User_talk:Grant65)
I'm having a slight difference of opinion with ExplorerCDT about whether the Rutgers/Princeton game was American football, rugby, or soccer. He says it was nothing like soccer. I disagree, I say it's more like soccer than today's American football, but there also may have been elements of rugby in there. So I put down "football (or soccer) " in place of "football", and we got into a dispute about it (even though I'm a Rutgersman myself). Rickyrab 06:50, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: ExplorerCDT, I think I'm unbiased because I knew nothing about this particular match in 1869 until several months ago. Then I did a lot of research, on the web and in books, before writing the section on US/Canadian football. Nothing I've seen suggests they were playing a game like American football as we know it, or rugby either. For example, the feature which identifies rugby and US football as "cousins" is the players being allowed to hold the ball and run with, it as far as they like. Nothing I've seen says they were allowed to do that in that college game of 1869. Grant65 (Talk) 08:59, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)
See also Talk:Rutgers University#Football --Philip Baird Shearer 12:00, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: William J. Leggett, captain of the Rutgers team who later became a distinguished clergyman of the Dutch Reformed Church, suggested that rules for the contest be adopted from those of the London Football Association. Leggett's proposal was accepted by Captain William Gunmere of Princeton, who later became Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of New Jersey.
--Philip Baird Shearer 15:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Rutgers Vs. Princeton, 1869

message: Has anyone (not at Wikipedia, but somewhere on earth) come up with a system of names to use to refer to sports to avoid regional differences?? For example:
*NFL for football in the United States
*CFL for football in Canada
*AFL for football in Australia
*SL for soccer in these countries and football in the United Kingdom
66.245.109.94 00:08, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Names of Sports 

message: I think a historical note on the origins of the words "rugger" and "soccer" would be useful in this article. Despite the contribution of the British punk band, Wat Tyler, soccer is a word that is used in Britain. At the moment the article reads as if soccer is an American English word, which it is not. When I was at school, one was invited to play a game of RUGger or SOCCer. This was probably because the emphasis is on the first syllable and so the second syllable could be mumbled -- something which teenagers tend to do, and this is harder to do with rugBEE and FootBall (hence another slang terms like "footer" and "footy" ).
Perhapse Charles Wreford-Brown deserves a mentioned even if only along the lines of William Webb Ellis. How accurate are these descriptions and how well known is the history of the word soccer?
http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/soccercoaching/l/bl_sochist.htm
:Football or Soccer? - In the 1880's, Oxford University students used slang which involved adding an "er" to the end of words they had deliberately shortened. "Rugger," was slang for Rugby Football. A student, named Charles Wreford Brown, was asked if he liked to play rugger. 'No soccer!' Was his witty reply He had shortened asSOCiation (football) and added "er." The term was coined!
http://www.rsssf.com/rssbest/whysoccer.html
:Near the end of 1863, Charles Wreford-Brown, who later became a notable official of the Football Association, was asked by some friends at Oxford whether he cared to join them for a game of "rugger" (rugby). He is said to have refused, preferring instead to go for a game of "soccer"  - a play on the word "association". The name caught on. English public schoolboys love to nickname things, then as much as now.  The tendency is to add "er" to the end of many words.  Rugby [Union] Football became "rugby", and then "rugger".  Association Football was better know as "assoccer" and naturally evolved into "soccer" which is much easier for a schoolboy to say... Therefore, the word "soccer" has been used in the mother country of all football-type games since at least the mid-19th century.  The word "football", however, was more descriptive of the game (i.e. kicking a ball with the feet!) and was the term more frequently used.
--Philip Baird Shearer 15:42, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rugger and Soccer