Talk:Thanksgiving/Archive 1

message: Someone cannot bear to have this text included and so keeps deleting it. Now where did that free speech end up?
"However, there are historians who contend that the first official Thanksgiving Day celebrated the massacre, in 1637, of some 700-900 Native American men, women and children during one of their religious ceremonies. The Native Americans were told to go out of the building they were in and were shot down as they came out. Those who remained were burned alive in the building or was beheaded. Those who were beheaded, heads were then kicked around. This led to what Europeans called Football and Americans refer to as Soccer. The following day, the governor declared a Thanksgiving Day, which continued to be celebrated for the next 100 years in honor of the bloody victory and to give God thanks. To these days, Native Americans gather in Plymouth to protest against the way that history has been misconstrued and commemorate the real events of that fateful day" - (Posted by Anon user)
:The masacre you describe is discussed in thr appropriate article, see the Pequot War. As far as I know, no "Historians" make the assertion that it should be associated with Thanksgiving. The first proponent of this (James Loewen) is a sociologist, not a historian. See the discusion further down this talk page. The National Day of Mourning afticle might be used for this kind of claim, but I think Wiki is better off without giving it credibility. Lou I 21:07, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Repeatedly removed text

message: User:LouI contacted Tristan Ahtone (the author of the cited web page), and he cites no other source than Loewen's book, but he should be commended for a civil reply. User:Boud cotact Loewen by e-mail and has so far had no reply. The Pequot fortified vilage wiped out in 1637 wasn't connected with Thanksgiving  until activists and protestors did so in the 1970's. But it DID happen. Refer to the Pequot War (in progress} and related articles such as Pequot. Pending any reply from Dr. Loewen, I'm removing the poisoning remark from this article.
I will also create an article on the National Day of Mourning, then reduce that section of this article to a sentence with a link in the U.S. section. Lou I 05:11, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote the article on the National Day of Mourning. I've also finished an article on the Pequot War, which includes some discussion of these claims. I dont think we should refernce Loewen by name in an article, unless merited by anything he posts here or mentions in an answer to Boud's e-mail. Lou I 19:04, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary of Actions

message: The article says that Christmas is more family oriented in Canada than the US.  First of all, should this information be here in this context, and second of all, is it even true?  Christmas seems to be pretty heavy on family togetherness in the States, if you ask me.  --Cvaneg 23:52, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christmas reference 

message: The true story of Thanksgiving
By Richard B. Williams Nov. 1, 2000
One day in 1605, a young Patuxet Indian boy named Tisquantum
and his dog were out hunting Owhen they spotted a large English merchant
ship off the coast of Plymouth, Mass. Tisquantum, who later became known as
Squanto, had no idea that life as he knew it was about to change forever.
His role in helping the Pilgrims to survive the harsh New England winter
and celebrate the "first" Thanksgiving has been much storied as a legend of
happy endings, with the English and the Indians coming together at the same
table in racial harmony. Few people, however, know the story of Squanto's
sad life and the demise of his tribe as a result of its generosity. Each
year, as the nation sits down to a meal that is celebrated by all cultures
and races - the day we know as Thanksgiving - the story of Squanto and the
fate of the Patuxet tribe is a footnote in history that deserves
re-examination.
The day that Capt. George Weymouth anchored off the coast of Massachusetts,
he and his sailors captured Squanto and four other tribesmen and took them
back to England as slaves because Weymouth thought his financial backers
"might like to see" some Indians. Squanto was taken to live with Sir
Ferdinando Gorges, owner of the Plymouth Company. Gorges quickly saw
Squanto's value to his company's exploits in the new world and taught his
young charge to speak English so that his captains could negotiate trade
deals with the Indians.
In 1614, Squanto was brought back to America to act as a guide and
interpreter to assist in the mapping of the New England coast, but was
kidnapped along with 27 other Indians and taken to Malaga, Spain, to be
sold as slaves for about $25 a piece. When local priests learned of the
fate of the Indians, they took them from the slave traders, Christianized
them and eventually sent them back to America in 1618.
But his return home was short-lived. Squanto was recognized by one of
Gorges' captains, was captured a third time and sent back to England as
Gorges' slave. He was later sent back to New England with Thomas Dermer to
finish mapping the coast, after which he was promised his freedom. In 1619,
however, upon returning to his homeland, Squanto learned that his entire
tribe had been wiped out by smallpox contracted from the Europeans two
years before. He was the last surviving member of his tribe.
In November 1620, the Pilgrims made their now-famous voyage to the coast of
Plymouth, which had previously been the center of Patuxet culture. The next
year, on March 22, 1621, Squanto was sent to negotiate a peace treaty
between the Wampanoag Confederation of tribes and the Pilgrims. We also
know that Squanto's skills as a fisherman and farmer were crucial to the
survival of the Pilgrims that first year - contributions which changed
history.
But in November 1622, Squanto himself would also succumb to smallpox
during a trading expedition to the Massachusetts Indians. The Patuxet, like
so many other tribes, had become extinct. The lesson of Squanto and the
Pilgrims is not one of bitter remembrance, but rather a celebration of the
generosity of Indian people. Under the guidance of Squanto, the Pilgrims
followed a longstanding Indian tradition of offering thanks. Although we
celebrate Thanksgiving as an "American" holiday, its beginnings are Native
to the core.
Feasts of gratitude and giving thanks have been a part of Indian culture
for thousands of years. In Lakota culture, it's called a Wopila; in Navajo,
it's Hozhoni; in Cherokee, it's Selu i-tse-i; and in Ho Chunk it's Wicawas
warocu sto waroc. Each tribe, each Indian nation, has its own form of
Thanksgiving. But for Indian culture, Thanksgiving doesn't end when the
dishes are put away. It is something we celebrate all year long - at the
birth of a baby, a safe journey, a new home.
So when you sit down to Thanksgiving dinner this year, remember Squanto and
the great sacrifices made by him and his tribe to a people they didn't
know. That is the legacy of the Indian people of New England - one that we
can all enjoy.
Richard B. Williams (Lakota)  is the executive director of the American Indian
College Fund, a historian, educator and the founder of the Upward Bound
Program at the University of Colorado at Boulder''
Pedant 00:31, 2004 Nov 25 (UTC)
: Some of the material you report IS included in the article for Squanto, which coiuld still stand improvement. Perhaps the "traditional" story of the Pilgrim Thanksgiving deserves a more straitforward deescription here, with a link to Squanto. I'll put it on my to do list, and check back in a few months, in the interim feel free to jump in. :-) Lou I 21:38, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The true story of Thanksgiving 

message: I cant find the date of this holiday in the article. Shouldnt it be included?
: The date changes from year to year since it is set to the "fourth Thursday of November" rather than a specific date. Kyaa the Catlord 11:15, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the date this holiday occurs? 

message: Who added that? :p —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pacific Coast Highway (talk • contribs) .
: I believe that was vandalism. 11:13, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the "definition" paragraph from the last section of the celebration section to the first section of the same, does this help? Kyaa the Catlord 11:13, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder Day.. 

message: This article could use some major work... I wonder if there's a better-structured one in some other language.   +sj + 04:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleaning up 

message: This line appears:
As the holiday most associated with family gatherings in the U.S., Thanksgiving is often humorously portrayed in movies and television as an occasion for extended family members to bicker with one another.
I added, "and to come out as gay to one's family", and was accused of vandalism.  Homophobe much?  It is, in fact, portrayed in moviea and television as the premier day to come out to one's family.  Well, that or Christmas, but I didn't feel it appropriate to include in the discussion of a religious holiday.
Is Wiki being a little gun-shy?
MusicMaker5376 07:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia must cite verifiable sources.  If you can find a source, add it back.  If it's just something you noticed, that's original research and it's not for Wikipedia. — Scm83x talk  07:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are the sources for "humorously portrayed in movies and television as an occasion for extended family members to bicker with one another"? MusicMaker5376 07:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add the references, or ask for them.  Just because someone else has unreferenced or unverifiable sources doesn't mean you can, too.  :) -JC 07:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Homophobia accusation

message: In the article it is currently suggested that thankgsgiving in Canada was somehow derived from the Pilgrim mythology, but that seems to be an anachronism. A lot of that stuff wasn't invented until decades after the Revolution. --iMb~Meow 22:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Thanksgiving 

message: We could use date and  to maintain the Gregorian date. This will save a lot of trouble on the first day of each year, and not only for this holiday. --Uncle Ed 18:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Date template

message: thanksgiving is not widely celebrated in australia.
: Hmm. It does appear to be a very recent addition (2004), and surprisingly overtly religious for a recently adopted public holiday. Was there much controversy in getting this thing passed, or was it just a lot of "yeah, okay fine, whatever"? --iMb~Meow 19:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we do have to mention this, especially if you are saying it hasn't really been made into a holiday. The prime minister, governor-general, treasurer, and opposition leader have all endorsed this thing in their official capacities.  If government officials are running around declaring holidays without the authority to do so, that's pretty remarkable in itself and should be noted. Is there a way to verify that this thing never went up for a vote? --iMeowbot~Meow 10:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: in australia

message: I've never heard anyone refer to the holiday as "Yanksday", and some searching revealed only links back to this article, so I removed the reference to "Yanksday".  --Rkstafford 14:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yanksday 

message: Pretty bad how mundane and bland Thanksgiving in the los gabachos son putos US  has been defined. It was CLEARLY set up as a CHRISTIAN holiday of giving thanks to GOD, proclaimed by President Lincoln, a professing Christian, into a national holiday in 1863.
Here is a link to Lincoln's Proclamation on Thanksgiving:
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/thanks.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattdruid (talk • contribs) 20:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanksgiving definition 

message: "Thanksgiving has its historical roots in religious and cultural traditions and has long been celebrated in a secular manner as well."
Seems like this should have a 
Nonvalueadded (talk) 19:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Per WP:CITELEAD.  Sam Sailor Talk! 20:50, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2015 

message: History.comhttp://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-establishes-modern-thanksgiving-holiday and Library of Congresshttp://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/thanksgiving/timeline/1941.html say it was November 26, but National Archiveshttps://www.archives.gov/legislative/features/thanksgiving/ indicates the date as December 26.
The two Wikipedia articles concerning thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgivinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(United_States) say it was on December 26.
Logan.allec (talk) 00:03, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was the bill fixing the date as the fourth Thursday of November signed on November 26, 1941, or December 26, 1941? 

message: Even though the Oktoberfest is roughly at the same time as the Erntedankfest, these two are totally unrelatedd. The Oktoberfest has its origin of a wedding the the 19th century, whereas Erntedank is - as correctly written - a Christian harvest celebration. Therefore I suggest to remove the Oktoberfest from the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.135.105.34 (talk) 14:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanksgiving in Germany 

message: The festival held in Leiden (The Netherlands) is not called "Oktober Feest, but "3 oktober feesten" or "Leiden ontzet." (cf.www.3oktober.nl)
Munadulap (talk) 13:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed to Feesten. Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:22, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2015 

message: 198.206.25.77 (talk) 13:14, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2015 

message: I want just want to edit 
24.129.82.67 (talk) 18:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not the right page to request additional user rights.If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2015 

message: Substituted at 20:51, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_harvest_festivals
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.72.231.39 (talk) 05:05, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian festivals similar to Thanksgiving  

message: This section is highly misleading. I don't know anybody in Britain apart from American expats who celebrates American style Thanksgiving complete with a family gathering, turkey dinner etc. There is a tradition of harvest festivals in churches in Autumn but these are never referred to as thanksgiving celebrations, and only involve a tiny proportion of the population anyway, as Britain is a largely secular society. The 'all the world's America' tone of articles covering US culture is infuriating sometimes. --Ef80 (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Kingdom 

message: What utter nonsense! (1) "One in six British people now celebrates Thanksgiving, according to a new survey." The cited article gives no link to that "survey". (2) "Coventry is, apparently, the epicentre of this outpouring of American love." Total bullshit! I have lived in Coventry since 1973 and have never - but never heard of anyone celebrating American-style Thanksgiving in that city. Narky Blert (talk) 02:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a discussion about this further up the page. I have found a press release from Waitrose which is the source for this churnalism (http://waitrose.pressarea.com/pressrelease/details/78/PRODUCT%20NEWS_12/3613) but as previously noted the methodology, sample size and questions have not been published. I don't think it could be considered a reliable source. --Walnuts go kapow (talk) 08:39, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we now have an emerging consensus that the Telegraph reference is just PR bollocks, so it would seem appropriate to modify the article accordingly unless somebody comes up with a real WP:RS stating that 10 million Brits sat down to pumpkin pie and turkey last Thursday. I'll do the deed in a couple of weeks if nobody objects. --Ef80 (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - there is complete agreement and consensus. The article should be corrected and the unreliable sources removed. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 13:48, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Dubious statements with weak refs removed. --Ef80 (talk) 18:55, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily Telegraph article claiming that 1 in 6 Britons celebrate Thanksgiving 

message: 124.109.47.85 (talk) 07:23, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not requested a change.If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2016 

message: Think it's really funny that the most important piece of information is wrong in a locked article.
Thanksgiving in the U.S. is on the 24th in 2016.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6025:75:50B3:BBA0:681B:E9DC (talk) 13:33, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, what are you referring to in the article?  The infobox already says Nov 24, 2016 for the US and Puerto Rico. Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanksgiving date wrong, lmao 

message: The last sentence of the introduction is worded thus: "Although Thanksgiving has historical roots in religious and cultural traditions, it has long been celebrated in a secular manner as well."
I think it should be changed to:"Although Thanksgiving has historical roots in religious and cultural traditions, it has long been celebrated by secular people as well."
The reason is, thanksgiving is generally celebrated the same way by secular and religious groups (with the exception of certain groups who attend a religious service). The phrasing "it has...been celebrated in a secular manner..." leads me to search the contents for a section describing the distinction between "religious manner" and "secular manner" with regard to thanksgiving custom. Again, as far as I know, no such distinction can be accurately generalized.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.167.23 (talk) 19:14, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rephrasing of Introduction 

message: This article has two main problems. 
1) There is a glaring omission of Native American history from this entire entry. It reflects a clear bias. Below are articles with information to begin to correct the problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squanto 
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1650bradford.asp#Treaty%20with%20the%20Indians
http://americanindiansource.com/mourningday.html
2) Rather than define Thanksgiving in the specific context of the national US holiday, the article includes irrelevant and distracting factoids about other harvest festivals and uses of the term thanksgiving in different contexts. If these must remain on the same page, they should be separated out by category to clarify the US national holiday and its particular mythologies/histories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.113.195 (talk) 07:24, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually that's "corn" in British English which means "cereals", oats, barley, wheat. Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:11, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical and cultural omissions 

message: I've tried to add the relevant articles in brackets for the mentioned respective holidays in Germany and Japan (harvest festival and tsukimi), but I found the article to be semi-protected. --79.242.219.119 (talk) 09:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks but if you look down in the article for Germany and Japan, it is actually referring to different days that have "Thanksgiving" in them. Alanscottwalker (talk) 11:44, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thing is, when it comes to the references further down, the article currently links to the German Wikipedia (inter-wiki links are discouraged), and a non-traditional, post-1945 holiday is linked for Japan that has nothing to do with harvests but is actually the Japanese adoption of Labor Day from the West, where people "thank" not for the harvest but for people's work efforts in any field whatsoever to make society work unisono as one well-oiled machine. On the other hand, tsukimi is the actual and traditional harvest festival in relation to the harvest moon and celebrated roughly around the same time as Thanksgiving. --79.242.219.119 (talk) 20:10, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's that the days are named "thanksgiving", that's why they are mentioned. This article is for things named "thanksgiving."Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:32, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Literally, kinrō kansha no hi is "Day of Being Grateful for Labor". No "giving" in there. --79.242.219.119 (talk) 20:39, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the "literal" translation but its ordinary translation is Labor Thanksgiving Day. Alanscottwalker (talk) 11:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tried to add to the lead 

message: The link
Jeremy Bangs. "Influences". The Pilgrims' Leiden. Retrieved September 11, 2010.
Is broken  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wygodny (talk • contribs) 09:37, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link - Jeremy Bangs. "Influences". The Pilgrims' Leiden. Retrieved September 11, 2010. 

message: The UK section is poorly worded. It says that "Harvest Thanksgiving in Britain pre-dates Christianity when the Saxons ...", but Christianity pre-dated the Saxons in Britain, diminishing greatly in the Saxon migrations before being reintroduced/growing again ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity_in_Britain#Celts ) Flamefew (talk) 06:40, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Kingdom section - Christianity 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The dinner in the image is pretty pathetic and is certainly not representative of a traditional Thanksgiving dinner in America. There's only four items in it: turkey, dressing, sweet potatoes, and rolls. There are much better images we could use.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.219.19 (talk) 14:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead image could be improved 

message: What is the "Deliverance" of Queen Anne that supposedly happened in 1705? I can find no reference to anything of import that happened that year. --WiseWoman (talk) 07:36, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's cited to a book, like the rest of the paragraph, but  this gives more information on 1705 and thanksgiving in her reign. Alanscottwalker (talk) 11:24, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Deliverance" of Queen Anne? 

message: United States comes before Canada both by population and by relevance to the tradition which is the topic of the article. User:CambridgeBayWeather's argument for the order to be alphabetical is inaccurate. -Inowen (nlfte) 19:54, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Inaccurate in what sense, does the letter U come before C in the Inowen alphabet? Alssa1 (talk) 22:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

text: Back to the original. Per WP:BRD and WP:STATUS QUO, discuss rather than edit warring please. As with the article itself, it's not just alphabetical: it's chronological too, with Canada having a more long-standing Thanksgiving. - SchroCat (talk) 22:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

text: No, User:CambridgeBayWeather was not "inaccurate" and since the apparent purpose of this article is to address the topic across nations (we have individual nation articles for nation traditions) alpha/chron makes sense. Alanscottwalker (talk) 10:28, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't think reverting to the original would cause any fuss. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 05:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of elements 

message: state UNAMBIGUOUSLY 146.166.92.24 (talk) 21:21, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RudolfRed (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2018 

message: Write your request we will correct than request — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.8.247.170 (talk • contribs) 01:48, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 01:52, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2019 

message: In German section of the article there could be link with annotation that similar form have Dożynki(word exist only in plural form) in Central and Eastern Europe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.67.201.162 (talk) 09:08, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Dożynki]]

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Large Dead Bird Day. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  -- Tavix (talk) 17:10, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Large Dead Bird Day" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Dear Wikipedians,
I am concerned about the content of this wiki, because the editor didn't include information of Indigenous perspective of the thanksgiving.
For example, the editor should include the following,
1. The Wampanoag didn't sit down for a turkey dinner with Pilgrims at first; they only did this after they had come to the pilgrims villages to help them due to gun fire and in the area.
2. There have not event that the Wampanoag were invited to in advance.
3. Many of Wampanoag had been sold as slaves.
4. The plague that the Pilgrims brought killed two-thirds of Wamponoag.
For more information, please visit Indian Country Today's news website
The Wampanoag Side of the First Thanksgiving Story  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.213.185 (talk) 03:48, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  You need to add the indigenous perspective in this wiki. 

message: The following sentence in the intro doesn't make sense:
"It began as a day of giving thanks and sacrifice for the blessing of the harvest and of the preceding year."
It might make sense to anyone who already knows the answers, but not to those who aren't already familiar with it.
"It began as a day of giving thanks {to whom?} and sacrifice {of what?} for the blessing {by whom?} of the harvest and of the preceding year. {how does the previous year get blessed?}"
Is the term "giving thanks" used outside of Thanksgiving? Don't people usually 'say thanks' and give a gift or something tangible? Lester 21:45, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsensical introduction 

message: I was googling Thanksgiving to learn more about it and was surprised to find my country included on the list of places that celebrate it. That is not part of our culture at all. While it's true that a president from 1949 made a law to officially introduce Thanksgiving celebration in our country (simply because he went to Washington and liked it), it has NEVER become a thing; no one celebrates it here and it's not a holiday, everyone works on that day. Thanksgiving celebration in Brazil is almost exclusive to north-american and british immigrants, and we don't even have expressive numbers of those immigrants in our country. Some churches may celebrate it but it's an absolute minority, like not even 0.5% of our population, and to be honest I know a few people from the churches claimed to celebrate it and they have no idea what Thanksgiving is, so it's definitely not widespread in those churches either. So, in conclusion, Brazil shouldn't be on that list.
TheRealKaiowa (talk) 17:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Brazil on this list? 

message: As was mentioned in another comment on this page, this article is actively erasing the engagement Indigenous peoples had with the inception of this holiday. The only place this article mentions Native Americans, is in one sentence that describes the relationship between the Native Americans and the Pilgrims as one that was mutually respectful and peaceful. This was not the case as other sources will tell us. In the prologue of Nick Estes' book entitled "Our History is the Future," Estes mentions that the Pilgrims saw this holiday as a celebration of a massacre of hundreds of Pequots. This kind of information is pertinent to giving a full picture of the origins of Thanksgiving. In addition, the first citation included at the end of this sentence does not work. The last citation included, leads to an article that does in fact mention more about Indigenous peoples' relationship with this day, although this information was not included in this Wikipedia article. ESTES, NICK. OUR HISTORY IS THE FUTURE: Standing Rock versus the Dakota Access Pipeline, and the Long ... Tradition of Indigenous Resistance. VERSO, 2020.  Gabby223 (talk) 00:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erasure of Indigenous Peoples 

message: In the first paragraph, the Dutch city of Leiden is listed.
The Dutch ceremony of Dankdag voor Gewas en Arbeid (nl), loosely translated as ceremony for gratitude for harvest and labour, appears to have the same origins as Thanksgiving. It is mainly celebrated in orthodox protestant church communities. I am not aware of a special role for Leiden in The Netherlands.
:A reference to Leiden can be seen on Thanksgiving in Nederland (nl). It mentions a ceremony of Americans in the Netherlands. 
: The reason for this link to Leiden would be the history told on Leiden was key to the origins of Thanksgiving: the Netherlands and Thanksgiving.
: I don't think this is attended by many Dutch people and I am not sure it deserves a place in the first paragraph of Thanksgiving.
Roel Schreurs (talk) 11:29, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Leiden on the list? 

message: The India section on this page is too far-fetched. Thanksgiving is relatively a new festival as compared to the Indian festivals listed here. Thanksgiving is not celebrated in India, and it's not celebrated by Indian Christians as well. Similar harvest festivals in India are many as the native calendar is based on agriculture. That will happen in most parts of the world. When you try to show a connection of Thanksgiving with age-old Indian festivals, it feels like you are trying to see the world through an American lens. Please be careful. 106.220.159.217 (talk) 10:11, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The section about India as well as the one on Germany did make weird references to the US Thanksgiving, which is of course a different thing altogether, and I have edited those sections a bit. It does not seem out of place to discuss other harvest festivals in this article – if anything I think it would be a good idea to develop the non-American section with more festivals from all parts of the world, since after all most of us are uninterested in what the Americans do :-) --bonadea contributions talk 19:32, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2020 

message: *Vaisakhi (or Baisakhi: celebrated by Punjabi people in Punjab, other parts of North India and elsewhere; falls on the first day of Vaisakh month (usually 13 or 14 April every year), and is observed as a thanksgiving day (and Punjabi New Year) by farmers whereby farmers pay their tribute, thanking God for the abundant harvest and also praying for future prosperity Dhillon, (2015) Janamsakhis: Ageless Stories, Timeless Values. Hay House . Vaisakhi is a harvest festival for people of the Punjab region marking the ripening of the rabi harvest and is celebrated by Sikhs and Punjabi Hindus Dogra, Ramesh Chander and Dogra, Urmila (2003) Page 49 The Sikh World: An Encyclopedic Survey of Sikh Religion and Culture. UBS Publishers Distributors Pvt Ltd . The harvest festival is also characterized by the folk dance, Bhangra which traditionally is a harvest dance. Melas (fairs) are held in entire Punjab, Jammu City, Kathua, Udhampur, Reasi and Samba, Chandigarh, Rewalsar, Shimla, Mandi and Prashar Lakes Gupta, Surendra K.  (1999) Indians in Thailand, Books India International  . 58.96.96.92 (talk) 09:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, IP – part of this was added to the article. --bonadea contributions talk 20:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  In India 

message: It is a very old tradition. It is a Slavic harvest festival from pre-Christian times. It was initially associated with a cult of plants, trees and agriculture. In XVIth century it gained a religious character.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.6.46 (talk) 22:31, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The pagan Slavic cult 

message: I was reading about Thanksgiving to learn more about it and was surprised to find my country included on the list of places that celebrate it. That is not part of our culture at all, it's not a holiday and literally no one except for a few united statian immigrants (an absolute minority in our country) celebrates it. We apparently have a law that instituted Thanksgiving celebration in Brazil - a random decision from a president disconnected from our reality - but it never became a thing and most people didn't even know about that, for this date does not appear in any of our calendars (even the official ones). I believe Brazil should just be removed from this list, for it's supposed to be a list of countries where a significant part of the population celebrates it. And by the way, why was this talk archived without proper discussion?
TheRealKaiowa (talk) 06:05, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting that mentions of Brazil be removed from this article 

message: In the section on Canadian Thanksgiving, the words "Prince of Wales" should link to the article on King Edward VII, not (as is presently the case) to the article on King George V. If somebody knows how to fix that, please do?
Done. Thank you for noticing. George V was 7-years-old in 1872, and he would not become the Prince of Wales until 1901. Dimadick (talk) 12:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prince of Wales 

message: Everybody says "firsrt harvest" "first harvest"...
Well, as stupid as this may sound to you here I go: HARVEST OF WHAT? America’s first #Thanksgiving celebrated the massacre of 700 Pequot Indians (incl. women & children) who were peacefully gathered in celebration. English & Dutch settlers set fire to their village, burning hundreds alive, then shot anyone who attempted to escape. no possibility to edit wikipedia in this!:=)
Please sign your nonsense, so we will know whom to thank. 24.4.136.172 (talk) 16:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  harvest of what 

message: Washington’s official endorsement of Thanksgiving is part of the history of the subject. Many in the South were suspicious of it as a Yankee invention, created as a substitute for the Christmas that many Puritans were against. Washington’s endorsement of it gave it a boost. Some discussion of this, with sources, would help the article.
Proclamation at mountvernon.org  Or, maybe it could just be inserted? Here it is:
By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.
and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.
Go: Washington
Washington issued a proclamation on October 3, 1789, designating Thursday, November 26 as a national day of thanks. In his proclamation, Washington declared that the necessity for such a day sprung from the Almighty’s care of Americans prior to the Revolution, assistance to them in achieving independence, and help in establishing the constitutional government.
213.205.242.121 (talk) 17:08, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Proclamation

message: [3] James W. Baker's "Thanksgiving:  The Biography of an American Holiday" says, "...and for Queen Anne's safe deliverance in 1605", (page 19, paragraph 3), NOT 1705;  (earlier Queen Anne?).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.14.139.121 (talk) 20:50, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:06, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...and following the deliverance of Queen Anne in 1705.[3] 

message: Lead says  I'm not finding the word "sacrifice" used in the body of the article. And I'm not sure what either 'a day of giving sacrifice' or 'a day of sacrifice' even mean w/re Thanksgiving. @The Unbeholden, it looks like you added it in this edit. What part of the body was this supposed to be reflecting? —valereee (talk) 16:38, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "sacrifice"? 

message: This data needs to be seriously redone.
Very very skewed.  Our we erasing history
by picking and choosing truths?
I am disgusted. 2600:1700:3F72:88A0:ECC4:79E:9054:2C0B (talk) 00:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Origin of Thanksgiving 

message: It appears that the link [7] to the webpage by the Virginia Historical Society is no longer up. They seem to have a webpage by the same name nowadays, but I'm not sure if it's the same as the original one.
From the article: "Later in Massachusetts, religious thanksgiving services were declared by civil leaders such as Governor Bradford, who planned the colony's thanksgiving celebration and feast in 1623." This was in Plymouth, not Massachusetts. The Massachusetts Bay Colony did not even exist in 1823. Evan after the first settlement of Massachusetts Bay in 1630, Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay were separate and distinct colonies until much later in the 17th century. Bradford was governor of Plymouth, not Massachusetts Bay. Editing is disabled; otherwise I would have made the simple correction to the article. 174.196.194.100 (talk) 13:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the United States 

message: This article needs to combine the Indigenous roots of the US holiday with Puritan/European roots, because the holiday is a combination of both as well. Per NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/24/1055800954/thanksgiving-is-a-year-round-practice-of-giving-thanks Hires an editor (talk) 17:13, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American Thanksgiving Traditions 

message: Please delete Japan from the first paragraph. Thanksgiving is not a holiday there. 144.121.119.200 (talk) 19:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Yes, I believe it is not a holiday titled "Thanksgiving", but rather "Labor Thanksgiving Day" (it is listed as a "similar holiday" on the article). The page Labor Thanksgiving Day provides reliable sources supporting the current text. Thanks, 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 23:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2022 

message: There is much on this page that conflates fall harvest festivals with Thanksgiving. The concept of Thanksgiving as practiced in the US is similar only to Canada. All others should be removed. TalkReviewer (talk) 08:25, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, @TalkReviewer, and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm afraid I don't know what you're suggesting be done. Can you elaborate? valereee (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harvest festivals are not thanksgiving holidays 

message: omdat ze verlieft zijn en hele tijd flirten 81.83.12.14 (talk) 06:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  waarom passen aicha en huseyin zo goed bij elkaar 

message: Makar Sankranti is the Harvest Thanksgiving Festival. A Hindu festival in reverence to deity Surya (sun) that is observed in January every year. Mainly Celebrated in Southern part of India named as Makara Sankranthi in Karnataka , Kanuma in Telengana, Sankrathi in Andra and Pongal in TamilNadu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManojAvadhani (talk • contribs) 19:09, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  In India 

message: I think it is generally a wrong idea to mix the US Thanksgiving day and the holidays in other countries as they come from very different traditions and legacy. It makes an impression of a International Thanksgiving day, while it is not so. I spoke to a lot of natives and they have no idea how the US Thanksgiving is similar to their holidays. Actually, some information is based on primary sources (such as Brazilin section) or overstretched sources. Bottom line: another work of someone's rich imagination, most probably from the happy US Wikipedians=)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1c0:cb01:2660:b433:771f:24c2:833c (talk) 01:43, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Part of the article is a pile of nonsense