Talk:Lunch atop a Skyscraper

message: We too are very interested in knowing some of the names of the men in the picture Lunch On A Skyscraper.  Interestingly, we recognize the third man from the left as possibly a blood relative of Harry W. Schwalm.  Every detail of this man could pass for Harry's twin.  Is there any source identifying these men?PopNOma (talk) 17:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some names are mentioned in discussion on , but I am not sure, if it can be trusted.--Petr Dlouhý (talk) 22:58, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who are they? 

message: Man at the right with bottle in his hand is Gusti Popovic, sawyer from Eastern Slovakia - Spiš. He sent this photo in 1932 as a postcard to his wife to Slovakia with words: "Don't worry my dear Mariska, as you see I'm always OK with my bottle. Yours Gusti." (Slovak: "Nič še ty neboj, moja milá Mariška, jak vidziš, ta ja furt s fľašečku. Tvoj Gusti.")
 This section of the article should be referenced closer or removed.--Bosintang (talk) 05:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  As of this version, it has references. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 22:03, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing References 

message: The third attempt by somebody to add an unsourced claim that her Pa was in the photo (and simultaneously to remove the [feebly] sourced claim that it was somebody else) prompted me to remove all the unsourced claims, which of course should never have been added in the first place.
The few remaining "sourced" claims are themselves highly dubious. They all depend on the say-so of some descendant, with little or no evidence of any fact-checking by the publication. If a disinterested historian investigates the matter and publishes the result somewhere credible, I'll think that this section should be based on these findings. I still think that the section as it is now should be scrapped. -- Hoary (talk) 01:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree; the sources are just too marginal. --jpgordon::==( o ) 14:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's give it a week and then scrap it if by then there are neither (a) reasoned arguments here for retaining the section with assertions as dubious as those now in it, nor (b) more convincing assertions. Though I'd have no objection to an RfC, if anyone thinks this is warranted. -- Hoary (talk) 14:51, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A week has gone by with no objection, so I've deleted the section. -- Hoary (talk) 12:28, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Interim measure

message: Fourth man from the left is said to be William O'Driscoll from Newfoundland. Added in this edit by 174.119.66.166
:First, please don't insert a comment within somebody else's comment. Instead, add it below, and "sign" it by hitting the "~" key four times in a row.
:Secondly, each man is said to be this or that person. The evidence adduced so far has been very feeble. If you can present published evidence for this particular claim, showing that the claim has been investigated by some disinterested person, then let's see this evidence. -- Hoary (talk) 23:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Fourth man from the left

message: There's a related picture Men-Asleep-on-a-Girder of some of them napping after the meal, although I'd have to imagine it was also staged to some effect.  Perhaps there should be a link or some quick discussion of this picture in the article?  There's a good writeup and more pictures here. Nerfer (talk) 20:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Men napping atop a skyscraper 

message: Read the stuff above. You'll see that purported (but worthless) identifications have been added to the article for some time.
In this edit, an IP replaces the unsourced claim that one man was "John Patrick Madden" with the unsourced claim that he was instead "Peter Rice, A Mohawk ironworker from Kahnawake Canada".
As the article says, There have been numerous claims regarding the identities of the men in the image. And none of them has any value whatever, unless reliably sourced.
I have therefore just now removed from the article:
:From the left, number three is Joseph Eckner, number four is Michael Breheny, number five is Albin Svensson and number six with the cigarette is Peter Rice, A Mohawk ironworker from Kahnawake Canada.
The source that appears to be adduced for this is "Oběd na vrcholu mrakodrapu: jak to opravdu bylo". It's in Czech. I can't read Czech. I can, however, have my browser show that none of "Eckner", "Breheny", "Svensson", "Madden" or "Rice" appears in that page. So the claims for Eckner, Breheny, Svensson, Madden and Rice have not been accompanied by a source and are worthless.
No more unsourced claims of identification, please. -- Hoary (talk) 23:59, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Some sources in Slovak language mention Gusti Popovič as Nr. 11 on the photo (the person on the right, holding bottle). According to this article (2014) published by Slovak regional newspaper Korzár, the Popovič family archives contain this image send as postcard from US to Slovakia to "Beloved Marička" (his wife Mária) by Gusti. Popovič later returned to Slovakia and was killed by hand grenade at the end of the WWII. On the other hand, a relative speaking in a video in this article (2012) published by the tabloid Nový čas says that the postcard is apparently lost. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 16:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  No more unsourced "identification", please 

message: Does this really need to be there? It contains only one "fact"---which is an anecdote about a British sports team irrelevant to a photo of construction of an American building.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810D:22C0:1AA4:957C:4BD5:4CEA:B8CC (talk) 22:46, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts section 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :In 1932 he sent his wife Mariška a postcard with this photograph on which he wrote, "Don´t you worry, my dear Mariška, as you can see I'm still with bottle. Your Gusti."[12][13] Gustáv and Mariška's joint grave in the Vyšný Slavkov cemetery is decorated with the legendary picture.[14]
the pic of the grave by the 14th reference is confusing 
http://www.slovenskezahranicie.sk/data/7508031e51f45ed9cfa4908c1ad4062f.jpg 
it shows that his wife has died in 1930 so he couldn't send her a letter in 1932... 93.88.216.35 (talk) 00:18, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Confusing. Rephrased for now that the image was found on his estate, with the quote written. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 22:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  some confusing data about supposed identity of one of the men 

message: There are several mentions of these people being men, but there is no source to prove that's how they identify. We should update the language to "people" until there are sources that prove how they identify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enbylicious (talk • contribs) 03:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the almost universal segregation of gender roles at the time of the photograph a female construction worker would have been so unusual that it would have commented on contemporaneously. JezGrove (talk) 09:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly it, though. During those times, people weren't allowed to express their true gender identity. There's no way of knowing if these people were, in fact, men. We should change the language to reflect that. Enbylicious (talk) 01:41, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop wasting people's time trying to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and find something better to spend your limited time on Earth doing. Sincerely, nagualdesign 20:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't always support the essay, Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue, but this is a very practical example of where it could be used. Regardless, there are sources which say "11 men". – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 22:09, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

text: lol Fuficius Fango (talk) 09:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Are you for real? 2600:1700:EDC0:3E80:F449:BB87:DCE9:1399 (talk) 01:23, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Are you serious or just trying to expose the absurdity of the "gender" concept? Impossible to know for sure, even if you claim the former, so a classic example of Poe's law. 2003:E4:973A:A901:F4FB:6CA8:24EE:B685 (talk) 16:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Gender identity of the people in the photo

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved  czar 04:09, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Lunch Atop a Skyscraper →  – Per MOS:TITLECAPS (atop being a preposition of fewer than five letters). Related, but not dispositive, is the fact that the file page on Commons uses lowercase atop. Deor (talk) 22:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Different publishers have different styles with regard to four-letter prepositions in titles. Some capitalize them; some don't. Wikipedia doesn't. Deor (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

text: I wasn't referring to the file name; I was referring to the title as it appears in the "Summary" section. Deor (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 May 2022 

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thread_title:  Featured picture scheduled for POTD 

message: In 1995, Corbis Images, a company that provides archived images to professional photographers,...
Why would professional photographers want to buy archived images?
Corbis is a stock photo agency, and its customers are media (or advertising) enterprises.2A02:AA1:1001:B042:E1E7:CBEF:5B71:B04 (talk) 14:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  a company that provides archived images to professional photographers 

message: Not noticed this separation of English sources and non-English before. 
Why do this? Most people in the world can read more than one language. 
Is there a Wikipedia policy? EDLIS Café  17:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi! I am not aware of any such guideline, but these decisions are often left to editor's discretion. I had made this separation, primarily as we have large chuck of texts for translation of the non-English source material. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Information to add to the "Legacy" section of this article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/09/lunch-atop-a-skyscraper-rockefeller-center-new-york 98.123.38.211 (talk) 16:18, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  To add to "Legacy" section