Talk:Wuxing (Chinese philosophy)

message: In an old version of this article, the following correspondence between the elements and some countries were noted:
Earth - China
Metal - Hong Kong
Water - Japan
Wood - Taiwan
Fire - South Korea
Why was this removed?
Answer: The correspondence is wrong and probably has no source. Hong Kong is not West of China so it can't be Metal. Similarly, Japan is not North, and South Korea is not South. Taiwan is East, but I highly doubt it's big enough to warrant an entire phase/agent for.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.216.186.113 (talk) 09:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Countries 

message: I propose merging Gogyo into Wuxing (Chinese philosophy), as per the earlier Talk:Gogyo suggestion of User:Mazamadao. Gogyo is simply the Japanese language translation of the Chinese Wuxing and no compelling argument for its retention as a separate article has been made. As Gogyo is only a stub, created by a (now blocked) disruptive editor and maintained by their socks, it seems sensible to merge the two articles. Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I would endorse your proposal, since, as the article itself said, "Gogyo" is just Japanese for "Wuxing". In fact, it is the only thing this entire article says! Furthermore, I checked the history of the article, and I found that it was a redirect to Wuxing from 2007 to 2014, and a disambiguation page until 2020! Maybe we can mention the Japanese term at the beginning of the Wuxing article? Either way, the "Gogyo" article isn't very useful! SleepTrain456 (talk) 02:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Support The previous edits on Gogyo by User talk:Zongqi were moot at all, merging to Wuxing (Chinese philosophy) is more understandable. UU (talk) 15:52, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Klbrain (talk) 07:06, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I cannot find a source for the chart under the heading Ming Neiyin. There is no source listed in this article, nor is this chart referenced in the main article "Heavenly Stems", nor does the book from which the "Heavenly Stems" article is sourced mention anything about "Fortress Earth" or "Forest Wood" (or any of the other listed names, as far as I can tell). Finally, I have failed to find any source on the web that discusses this information (except for a few dozen sites that have simply copy/pasted this article). 
At the very least, there needs to be a "citation needed" note, but I can find no evidence that this information is accurate, historically or otherwise. VoxAdActa (talk) 21:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for Section on Ming Neiyin? 

message: There's a table under the "Cosmology and feng shui" section. In antiquity, only Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were visible in the sky. And even if there were eight planets, Bagua has no association with them. Also, the Chinese Calendar uses nine or ten day weeks, not five days as this table seems to suggest. My guess is that someone tried connecting the days of the week with the planets, but that was done in western culture as part of Hellenistic astronomy. 72.216.186.113 (talk) 09:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Days and Planets don't make sense 

message: After scrolling through pages of images relating to the wuxing, I noticed that the pentagram arrangement shown in the article only ever appears in computer-illustrated diagrams, while any diagrams of the wuxing featured in older documents and emblems use a quincunx arrangement with Earth in the centre and the other phases in the four corners, corresponding to the cardinal directions. This suggests that the pentagram is just a convenient representation of the traditionally tabulated relationships between the phases, but not a traditional representation itself. If sources discussing the iconography could be found, it would make sense to replace the current image with a more traditional one. Albie's relation of misfortune (talk) 12:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: ofc. this is not a reliable source, but there are some good pointers at https://elementaljapan.com/2021/09/23/solving-the-puzzle-of-the-pentagram-and-the-five-phases-in-japan/. Albie's relation of misfortune (talk) 14:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quincunx or pentagram?