Talk:Jack Bruce

message: Before an edit ware breaks out over something minor like image choice....perhaps it's cast your opinions here. I think the "classic" photo in the info box and the more recent shot included in the section covering more up to date info is the better version. Feel free to comment/discuss other alternatives. Any altering of the current article should stop until some sort of consensus is arrived at here. 156.34.142.158 15:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a "classic" photo or one taken during the musicians heyday would be best. Thank you 156.34.142.158 for trying to make sure no edit wars break out. - Patman2648 04:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: To avoid any edit wars

message: The vast majority of this article seems hodge-podged together, with lots of NPOV problems, typos, and unsourced statements thrown in. I'm trying to go through the whole article as I have time, fixing what I can. If someone wants to help out, that would be great. TK-925 20:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Myself and I few other users have been trying our best to clean-up the article. I think most of it should be deleted anyway, most of it's not sourced. ĤĶ51→Łalk 12:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Better to find sources for statements than to just delete them, where possible, though I think that'll be somewhat hard with this article. TK-925 18:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Nonsense.  Of course it does.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.36.161 (talk) 23:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup? 

message: ===Trivia===
* He and Cream bandmates Ginger Baker and Eric Clapton have all played with each other in different groups. Bruce and Baker played together in the Graham Bond Organisation, BBM and Blues Incorporated, Clapton and Bruce played together near the end of Clapton's tenure with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, and  Baker and Clapton played together in the short-lived supergroup Blind Faith shortly after Cream's breakup.
* Bruce plays harmonica on the Cream songs "Rollin' & Tumblin'," "Traintime," "Take It Back," "Four Until Late," and the studio version of "Spoonful" and "Sitting on top of the world" of 2005 concert.
* He once owned Sanda Island in Scotland.
* When deciding on the set list for the Cream reunion in London, Bruce wanted to include I Feel Free, but was considered too complex. It was not included in the Royal Albert Hall shows, and it wasn't played at the Madison Square Garden shows.
*His first Cream composition was N.S.U.  According to the Clapton biography Crossroads: The Life and Music of Eric Clapton, the initials stand for Non-Specific Urethritis, a sexually transmitted infection in men. ...Uh, no. Consider the context. NSU stands for Neckarsulm Strickmaschinen Union, which was a German car manufacturer. They were bought by Volkswagen and merged with Auto Union, becoming AUDI.
*Bruce says in Chris Welch's book, Cream: The Legendary Sixties Supergroup, that he "has no regrets that [he] didn't join Led Zeppelin when they asked [him]". While this may suggest that Bruce was the original choice of Zeppelin founder and guitarist Jimmy Page's for bassist/lead singer, in fact (as mentioned in Stephen Myatt's Book Jack), Page asked him to join as a second bass player, in the mid seventies. (John Paul Jones would eventually join Page's band as bassist and Robert Plant joined as lead vocalist.)
*Bruce wrote the Cream song "We're Going Wrong" after having a fight with his wife, Janet Godfrey.
*Bruce is said to play bass on and co-write the song "Apostrophe"  on the 1974 Frank Zappa album of the same name. However, in 1992 he was interviewed by Wieslaw Weiss of Polish rock magazine Tylko Rock, and denied this:
(Tylko Rock, Oct. 1992, pp. 17)
"WW: Can you tell me something about your cooperation with Frank Zappa?
*JB: Sure, what do you wish to know? (laughs)
*WW: You appeared on his Apostrophe album...
*JB: Yes, as you know, at the time I was recording an album with Carla Bley, far more interesting one... you heard that?
*WW: Yes, Escalator Over The Hill...
*JB: Right. So Frank, whom I met earlier, appeared one day in the studio and asked me: "Can you take your cello and go to my session?" So I turned up in a NY studio with my cello, I'm listening to his music, pretty awful, and just don't know what to do with myself, and Frank says to me: "Listen, I would like you to play a sound, like this... whaaaaaang!!!" So I did what he asked me to do. Whaaaaaang!!! That was all. That was my input to Frank Zappa's most popular record! (laughs) "
Note: See below for more info on why Jack Bruce's comments about Apostrophe can't be taken seriously--216.160.93.32 (talk) 06:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved here from article 

message: * He and Cream bandmates Ginger Baker and Eric Clapton have all played with each other in different groups. Bruce and Baker played together in the Graham Bond Organisation, BBM and Blues Incorporated, Clapton and Bruce played together near the end of Clapton's tenure with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, and  Baker and Clapton played together in the short-lived supergroup Blind Faith shortly after Cream's breakup.
* Bruce plays harmonica on the Cream songs "Rollin' & Tumblin'," "Traintime," "Take It Back," "Four Until Late," and the studio version of "Spoonful" and "Sitting on top of the world" of 2005 concert.
* He once owned Sanda Island in Scotland.
* When deciding on the set list for the Cream reunion in London, Bruce wanted to include I Feel Free, but was considered too complex. It was not included in the Royal Albert Hall shows, and it wasn't played at the Madison Square Garden shows.
*His first Cream composition was N.S.U.  According to the Clapton biography Crossroads: The Life and Music of Eric Clapton, the initials stand for Non-Specific Urethritis, a sexually transmitted infection in men. ...Uh, no. Consider the context. NSU stands for Neckarsulm Strickmaschinen Union, which was a German car manufacturer. They were bought by Volkswagen and merged with Auto Union, becoming AUDI.
*Bruce says in Chris Welch's book, Cream: The Legendary Sixties Supergroup, that he "has no regrets that [he] didn't join Led Zeppelin when they asked [him]". While this may suggest that Bruce was the original choice of Zeppelin founder and guitarist Jimmy Page's for bassist/lead singer, in fact (as mentioned in Stephen Myatt's Book Jack), Page asked him to join as a second bass player, in the mid seventies. (John Paul Jones would eventually join Page's band as bassist and Robert Plant joined as lead vocalist.)
*Bruce wrote the Cream song "We're Going Wrong" after having a fight with his wife, Janet Godfrey.
*Bruce is said to play bass on and co-write the song "Apostrophe"  on the 1974 Frank Zappa album of the same name. However, in 1992 he was interviewed by Wieslaw Weiss of Polish rock magazine Tylko Rock, and denied this:
(Tylko Rock, Oct. 1992, pp. 17)
"WW: Can you tell me something about your cooperation with Frank Zappa?
*JB: Sure, what do you wish to know? (laughs)
*WW: You appeared on his Apostrophe album...
*JB: Yes, as you know, at the time I was recording an album with Carla Bley, far more interesting one... you heard that?
*WW: Yes, Escalator Over The Hill...
*JB: Right. So Frank, whom I met earlier, appeared one day in the studio and asked me: "Can you take your cello and go to my session?" So I turned up in a NY studio with my cello, I'm listening to his music, pretty awful, and just don't know what to do with myself, and Frank says to me: "Listen, I would like you to play a sound, like this... whaaaaaang!!!" So I did what he asked me to do. Whaaaaaang!!! That was all. That was my input to Frank Zappa's most popular record! (laughs) "
Note: See below for more info on why Jack Bruce's comments about Apostrophe can't be taken seriously--216.160.93.32 (talk) 06:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Cream1993.jpg

message: I started to read this article, and I can barely believe what is said about Bruce's style. Not to mention his imaginary influences on Jaco, and "the future generation of the bassists" including Jeff Berlin. This article is incredibly biased, to say the least. There's no evidence for a lot of these statements. Not to mention the illustrious representation of his improvisational skills...This should be flagged as biased and lacking evidence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gassidy (talk • contribs) 06:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Highly fanboyish and excessive, unsourced WP:POV. Even If I dare to clean it up, the fan boys won't hesitate to revert it a thousand times. --Scieberking (talk) 09:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  No excuse though, not to edit it. If necessary, get a lock on the page. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 01:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really? Is this only written by Bruce fans? 

message: Proof? Read this interview with Jeff Berlin: http://www.innerviews.org/inner/berlin.html
"Not since Jack Bruce was I starry-eyed over another bass player."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Appledelphy (talk • contribs) 19:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totally agreed; seems like the official biography of Jack Bruce 

message: In looking for sources for Jack Bruce, I found the following website, and it is nearly word for word the same as in this online publication about him. I'm placing it in both this talk page and the one for Cream. Dangit, I worked hard to find all the photos of him..  and I really do believe this one is a copy/paste thing at some point.
*Lulu Rock History  You must scroll down 2/3 of the way down on that page and look for the section on Jack Bruce. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 03:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Answered on talk:Cream (band) Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 21:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a copyright violation or just a mirror image from Wikipedia? 

message: Dscography Title is a Typo ... Respect
80.42.68.15 (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:03, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2014 

message: :::Yeah the article is protected because of some editor:
:::::"(cur | prev) 14:58, 25 October 2014‎ Discospinster (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (34,639 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Protected Jack Bruce: Persistent vandalism -- death hoax ([Edit=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (expires 14:58, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL "death hoax". What a moron? Never even bothered to check, just slapped a ban! You wonder if half of them can read!!? 81.132.173.43 (talk) 16:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Death hoax

message: "He joined John Mayall and his John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers group, which featured guitarist Eric Clapton. Although his stay was brief; the Universal Deluxe double album Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton contains all the known tracks featuring Bruce."
Surely either a) the first sentence should be extended and end after "brief" or b) the semicolon should be replaced by a comma. I think the sense of the passage points to the first of those, but it's ambiguous enough for me to call in other opinions, if there are any. Harfarhs (talk) 23:26, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear phrasing 

message: It says he died of "liver disease" which is somewhat generic.  What sort of liver disease?  Cirrhosis of the liver?  Was it from alcohol???Betathetapi545 (talk) 06:40, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As the article says, he had previously been diagnosed with liver cancer and had rejected a transplant. Perhaps you can find a reliable source that gives alcohol as one of the contributory causes??? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:35, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Bruce himself said, in December 2011, "In 2003 I was diagnosed with liver cancer as a result of my former drug abuse and I had a transplant." Martinevans123 (talk) 12:42, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[Liver disease]]" 

message: The first sentence of this article includes this phrase: "known as a founder member of the British psychedelic rock power trio Cream...."
There are several things wrong with this. In the first place, the members of Cream never changed; they were always Bruce, Clapton, and Baker. Thus it is virtually nonsensical to call any of them a "founder". They were all members for the entire duration of the group, and no additional members were ever added. In the second place, whether they were psychedelic is POV and seems, in any case, to exaggerate the significance of maybe a handful of lyrics and possibly one album cover. I also find the find the term "power trio" obnoxious and essentially meaningless. I think "British rock trio" should suffice, and if anyone wants to know about the group, they can click on the name. TheScotch (talk) 10:56, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cream 

message: These three paras were removed with the edit summary "Take a look at the difference between versions and you'll figure it out.":
:"On 4 June 2011, Bruce played a special concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, which is celebrating its 60th anniversary. The evening celebrated the 50th anniversary of the blues in Great Britain, and Bruce played with his Big Blues Band and special guest Joe Bonamassa.
:"Festival appearances with his Big Blues Band continued throughout the UK and Europe during 2011. At the Cornbury Festival, Great Tew Park, Oxfordshire on 3 July where Bruce appeared as a special guest of the Stax label tribute band, The Staxs. The festival was recorded by Abbey Road Studios.
:"Bruce started 2012 playing the Gerry Rafferty tribute concert in Glasgow, followed by a date with the traditional Celtic band Lau. BBC Scotland recorded a one hour special on Bruce, which also included a performance with Lau. The completed documentary Jack Bruce – The Man behind the Bass was transmitted in February 2012 on BBC Scotland. It featured new interviews, with Bruce, Clapton, Baker and Brown, as well as the concert footage featuring new versions of six career spanning songs, "We're Going Wrong", "Sunshine of Your Love", "Weird of Hermiston", "Theme for an Imaginary Western", "Keep it Down" and "Child Song"."
The editor has suggested that were poorly written, were copyvio or made the article unbalanced. But I'm not sure which applies. I'd suggest they might be restored, in a better form, possibly with good sources? What do other editors think. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: para three was partially kept. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:16, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material removed 

message: Audio clips are sadly absent from the article. Any suggestions? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio clips 

message: I've removed this as it's unsourced here (in fact the entire Discography section is unsourced?), and not mentioned anywhere at the Birds of Fire article. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mahavishnu Orchestra]] * 1973 - ''[[Birds of Fire]]'' ("One Word" track only, uncredited)