Talk:First Vatican Council

message: It was suspended following the capture of Rome and never resumed, nor was it ever officially closed. It is therefore still in session and no other ecumenical council may be held.
:What about the Second Vatican Council, then? Marnanel 21:08, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: From the article: the Council was formally closed in 1960 by Pope John XXIII, prior to the formation of the Second Vatican Council. Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 15:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Not true.  It was never formally closed.  See my comment below. 68.196.9.196 (talk) 19:16, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Suspended

message: This article might almost have been written by an ultra-traditionalist Catholic.  The discussion of opposition to the dogma of papal infallibility is weak.  And yes, Pius IX was interested in having the Council define Papal Infallibility, and made no particular secret of it. Jhobson1 17:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic triumphalism lives 

message: As per my recent trip to the Vatican, a plaque mentioned that "two bishops, out of 435,  voted against the principle of papal infallibility" - I was curious if it was known which two bishops were dissenting, or if it were a secret ballot whose dissenters were never known? Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  22:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the 1912 Catholic Encyclopedia, Bishop Aloisio Riccio of Cajazzo, Italy, and Bishop Edward Fitzgerald of Little Rock, Arkansas. ClaudeMuncey 22:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The name of the two bishops...

message: The article is interesting, but concentrates solely on infallibility.
Shouldn't there be a general intro to the council, and coverage of other topics discussed. The infallibility section might well merit a page of its own, under a suitable title. 'First Vatical Council' is surely not that title.
82.152.219.37 (talk) 18:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Vatican I was not just about infallibility, theologically and otherwise. I'm downgrading the article to C class. GregorB (talk) 16:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misplaced discussion/wrong heading? 

message: In my opinion, a competent editor should restore the reference from Chapter XXXIII of Raffaele De Cesare's http://books.google.com/books?id=0XcpAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA422&dq=%22the+last+days+of+papal+rome%22#v=onepage&q=%22the%20last%20days%20of%20papal%20rome%22&f=false , which starts with: "The first idea of convening an Ecumenical Council in Rome to elevate the temporal power into a dogma, originated in the third centenary of the Council of Trent, which took place in that city in December, 1863, and was attended by a number of Austrian and Hungarian prelates." The chapter then states that Austria had recognized the Kingdom of Italy after the 1866 Austro-Prussian War. Consequently, because of this and other substantial political changes: "The Civiltà Cattolica suggested that the Papal Infallibility should be substituted for the dogma of temporal power ..." Italus (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The possibility that the Council would define as dogma the temporal power was quite real, and not hearsay as claimed in the previous section by Str1977. The actions of the Italian King and Government to block this possibility are discussed in http://books.google.com/books?id=0XcpAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA429#v=onepage&q&f=false . Italus (talk) 23:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restore reference to original objective of the Council 

message: This appears to be an internet legend.  There are a lot of official and semi-official internet resources on both Vatican Councils and not one of them cites a document closing Vatican I. 47.20.164.204 (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Esoglou (talk) 16:01, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Thanks, but I see someone added it again.  The source cited is vatican.com, a travel booking site, obviously not authoritative. 74.119.231.16 (talk) 14:12, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete the bit about being formally closed in 1960 

message: The constitution was accepted not with 433, but with 533 votes. 
Source eg. Giuseppe Alberigo (cur.), Storia dei concili ecumenici, Editrice Queriniana, 1990. 
The other languages of Wikipedia have 533 too already, by the way. 80.108.105.80 (talk) 09:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pastor Aeternus: Not 433 votes, but 533