Talk:WinShape Foundation

message: "the current contract specifies weekly meeting attendance, leadership discussion group participation, community service, and Christian lifestyle, including abstaining from alcohol and drugs." (my emphasis)
Leaving aside the question of drugs, isn't this very subtle POV? There are literally hundreds of millions of Christians across the world who do not regard a Christian lifestyle as including abstention from alcohol. At the miracle at Cana did Christ turn water into soft drink?
(forgot to sign, will now) Avalon 23:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian lifestyle

message: The content of this article has been somewhat controversial, so I wanted to have a discussion on this talk page first about the article title.  I want to move the article from 'WinShape' to 'WinShape Foundation'.  The legal name of the organization is WinShape Foundation Inc. and adding Foundation to the title gives a better idea of what this organization is. It still meets WP:COMMONNAME. Any objections?  72Dino (talk) 18:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: None here.– Lionel (talk) 18:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Sounds good to me. Besides, WinShape is part of the name of many offspring organizations, putting the word Foundation into the title will cut down on any possible confusion. Shearonink (talk) 19:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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message: #"WinShape has donated an estimated $5 million to anti-gay groups including Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Family Research Council, Exodus International and the Marriage & Family Legacy Fund since 2003." or
#"WinShape has donated an estimated $5 million to socially conservative special interest groups including Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Family Research Council, Exodus International and the Marriage & Family Legacy Fund since 2003." or
#"WinShape has donated an estimated $5 million to groups opposed to LGBT civil rights including Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Family Research Council, Exodus International and the Marriage & Family Legacy Fund since 2003." or
#""WinShape has donated an estimated $5 million to groups including Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Family Research Council, Exodus International and the Marriage & Family Legacy Fund since 2003."
Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 15:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I support number 4.  It removes bias one way or the other from the sentence, so it is the most neutral.  72Dino (talk) 15:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: go with the description used in the reliable sources.-- The Red Pen of Doom 16:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, go with what the over a dozen referances say. Stop trying to white-wash the anti-gay part.216.81.94.75 (talk) 16:23, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  No whitewashing attempts that I can see, just what I thought that was some consensus-building and a discussion about choosing words re:neutral point of view.  Please assume good faith.  Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 16:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, any attempt at consensus-building has long since passed for you. You have made accusations about the references but not backed them up, continue to edit when you have no support or references for, remove edits that are based on references, etc… so no your edits are anything but in good faith. 216.81.94.75 (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry you feel that way.  Is anti-gay the only/best/most-appropriate/most-neutral term to use to describe these groups in context of their association with WinShape?  Perhaps it is...I don't know, that is why I thought it was a good idea to start this section on the talkpage and to gather consensus from the editorial community about the matter. Shearonink (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, you have provided no references for your edits even after you try and call out other references but don’t back it up, have been shown over a dozen that support the current language, and now you are trying to act as though this is a new discussion when right above this is where you tried the same thing. So yes you do know and keep trying weasel tactics like this “Any thoughts on the word choice...” as though it’s a new topic that has not already been hased out. 216.81.94.75 (talk) 18:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I am sorry you feel that way, whatever you think that was not my intent.  I think this discussion is veering off into discussing editors and not the content at hand so I will refrain from any further posts until a consensus is established whatever that might be. Shearonink (talk) 19:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any thoughts on the word choice of the following at [[WinShape Foundation#Support for anti-gay groups|Support for anti-gay groups]] section 

message: Not sure if this really fits due to no referances, but just a link to the facebook page. Is there any news or other referances we can attach to this? If not then may need to pull till it has better referances. 72.196.235.207 (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, it should not be included in the article (although not necessarily for the reason of it being facebook). Unless the group's decision is covered by reliable third party sources, it should not be in the article, based on WP:UNDUE.  Wikipedia should not be doing original reporting based on primary sources WP:PSTS. (An official and verified facebook page is a reliable source for certain limited information WP:SPS - and a group's stance would generally be one of them.) -- The Red Pen of Doom 21:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free Berry College from Chick-fil-A Facebook Group 

message: Is there interest in joining together to attempt to resolve the "gay" terminology issue through a centralized and focused, third party mediated dispute resolution process rather than the issue resurfacing and being re-hashed in every new section? Please leave your interest or lack thereof at Talk:Chick-fil-A#Interest_in_official_mediation.3F)-- The Red Pen of Doom 16:32, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As I pointed out on the CfA article Talk page, this should be a last resort.  I honestly think things will settle down once a certain issue is resolved by admins.  Belchfire (talk) 17:21, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interest in official mediation re "gay" terminology? 

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