Talk:Osbert Lancaster

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Would you show me where in Fowler, Gowers or other reputable BrE style guide your prescription "don't use a comma in a list of two prepositional phrases" is mentioned? Looks like an AmE superstition to me. I haven't met it in English usage. Tim riley talk 14:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you show me in them where is specifies using a comma in a list of two? Neither BrE nor AmE do that, AFAIK. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If you will kindly answer my question I will then look into yours. After you.... Tim riley talk 14:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is my understanding that style guides typically specify when to use punctuation, and do not exhaustively, list, when, not, to. So, for instance, the end of the previous sentence is wrong because there is no guidance to put commas there, rather than there being guidance not to. So, essentially, no, no, after you. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: But here's one. "The trick is to identify those situations so as not to use the comma in places where it really should not be." and "1. To separate the elements in a list of three or more items." (emphasis added). -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your understanding of how style guides work is a novel one. Fowler et al do not tell us to do what is normally done: they give guidance when people are apt to go astray. Take, for example, the confusion between "flaunted" and "flouted". Fowler made no mention of either word in the first edition of Modern English Usage (1926), presumably because people didn't then mix them up, but by the 1960s Gowers felt it necessary to lay down the law good and proper in the second edition (1965), and in the third edition Burchfield and in the current edition Butterfield, weigh in. If seeking the view of Fowler, Gowers et al on points on which they do not pronounce it is simplicity itself to look and see what their own practice was. I have just opened the second edition of MEU at random: it opened at "noun", in the article on which we have, from a quick skim through, two prepositional phrases separated by a comma and a conjunction at two points. See for yourself if you don't believe me. That said, I am quite aware that usage changes. You will nowhere find in Fowler mention of the irritating AmE comma in "On Monday, I went shopping", but I am told by a schoolmaster here that this usage is now being taught to our primary school children, alas. Your usage may yet prevail, but I don't think it has yet. As the PR and FAC reviewers didn't boggle at my punctuation I think we should stick with it. Tim riley talk 15:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your understanding of how the PR and FAC review process work is a novel one. They don't bless everything they don't mention. It is still your turn to show me where it specifies using a comma in a list of two. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just pointed to two examples of it in Fowler! I have some slight understanding of the FAC process, having been through it more than forty times. Et toi? I'm trying to be conciliatory here, but you aren't making it easy. Tim riley talk 17:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Now that I have finally managed to locate the comma concerned in our tiny diff view, I'm with Tim on this. Johnbod (talk) 15:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: See also MOS:COMMA. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Seen. Tim riley talk 17:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commas