Talk:Planet of the Apes (TV series)

message: Urko is not a general. His title, as stated in several episodes, is Security Chief. He is never called General Urko throughout the series. General Urko is a separate character from the cartoon series. Although the DVD box set calls him General Urko, that is a misprint that doesn't match what is spoken onscreen  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.126.55 (talk) 17:26, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Urko's Title

message: Here is how a certain sentence in the introductor paragraph currently reads: "The series takes place in the same society, ten years after a similar incident."  I originally thought that this was the crash from the first movie.  I(t) could have been the crash from the second movie.  But because the fifth movie is obviously from an alternate history (caused by the incidents of the third and fourth movies?) where humans could still speak, the attack on the human in New York took place earlier, and humans and apes were equals.  We don't know which of these two parallel universes the television series took place in, or is it yet another one?  (Did the humans regain speech?  Did apes reassert their dominance?  Did another time-travel incident occur?)  We don't even know if the Dr. Zaius is the same one as in the movie, or another ape with the same name.  With all of these variables, we can't say what the "similar" incident was.  It's too bad that the series didn't last long enough for us to find out. Val42 05:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that the series takes place ten years after the original movie.  How could it?  The world was destroyed shortly after (Within a few months) Taylor's arrival by the Alpha/Omega Bomb.  The series takes place in 3085 while the first two movies happened in 3955.  By this fact alone, the series takes place nearly a thousand years befor the movies.  Somewhere in this thousand year period, Humanity lost the power of speech.  The Zaius from the series and the movies are similar characters but not intended to be the same being.  The astronauts that Zaius refers to in the series are a group of people who landed ten years prior to the series and were killed by Urko.  The identity of these astronauts has not been recorded.  So, the space program has lost four space expeditions.  1. Taylor and his crew. 2. Brent and his crew. 3. Burke and Virdon. 4. The unnamed astronauts who landed prior to the series.  Another point that needs to be made on the separation between the time periods of the movies and the series is that the ape society in the movie was on the East coast of North America.  The series was clearly set in Southern California.(Bijou88 20:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The similar incident is just another ship with humans crashing. We assume the humans were killed. That's the only mention of it. It's not suppose to be anything from the movies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.180.38.41 (talk) 10:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would amend the earlier comment that the series is set in Southern California to delete "Southern". At least one episode (the one in which Urko and Virdon are trapped in a Bay Area Rapid Transit station) is clearly set in Northern California - Oakland, I believe. There are other episodes that mention Southern California locations. And, of course, the series was shot in Southern California. 72.229.31.22 (talk) 23:24, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

text: It probably was NOT Brent from Beneath, remember that Zaius never knew that he could speak.  There's several possibilities:
* 1) Taylor's crew and there's a dating error (or an alternative version).
* 2) Perhaps the crew from the animated series.
* 3) Brent from the animated series (different from The 2nd movie)
* 4) Unknown crew.
CFLeon (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've downloaded the first episode from YouTube. Virdon & Burke confront Zaius after escaping and ask him where the grenades used earlier came from. Zaius answers they came from another human- "he didn't live long enough to tell me his name." A bit later, "that Human I told you about... I had him killed- as I will have you killed someday." 
Remember that Taylor had nothing except some ruined rags (I suppose that the apes may have gone back to the pond or even Taylor's spaceship & found bombs left there), and Zaius never saw Brent except in rags or knew he could speak. The incident was certainly made to sound like Taylor or Brent by the writers, but it's problematic. None of the dates that we know of for other ships fit- unless the reference is to later developments of the animated series past what was shown and there is a dating error in the scripts. CFLeon (talk) 22:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  In re-reading this, another possibility comes to mind: Landon from the 1968 movie. It fits better than the other possibilities offered. Perhaps Landon gave information that enabled the apes to find the equipment stolen at the pond (or even the spaceship) and that included some grenades. Although Landon's alive when we last see him, Beneath indicates that he has died (or been killed; he was definitely injured during the hunt): "... or stuffed in the Great Hall of the Zaius Museum- like his two friends."- Cornelius to Brent. Dodge was put in the museum because the apes had never seen a black human before; why would Landon be there? (Whether he died or was killed is probably irrelevant to this.) CFLeon (talk) 21:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Similar incident?

message: From the excellent site:http://potatv.kassidyrae.com/galenslastappearance.html
<Galen puts the finishing touches to the model he’s been making> And there you have it. And there YOU have it. Virdon and Burke? Oh, well, they found their computer in another city and disappeared into space as suddenly as they’d arrived. What about me? I certainly could have gone with them - back to your time, your world, er, where apes are kept in zoos. Tell me now,
would you have come to my world, willingly? Hmm? <The shot changes to show Galen winding up a clockwork chimp> You will, eventually… of course. It’s only… a matter… of time. <Fade on a shot of a clapping human doll> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.161.47.105 (talk) 17:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Virdon and Burke Fate

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message: The chronology in this article was tagged as a suspected copyright violation of the book Timeline of the Planet of the Apes on Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2008 November 30. I don't have access to that book, but infringement seems unlikely, unless portions of it were previously published elsewhere. The material was added to the article in 2006. The book is © 2008 Hasslein Books. However, the section was evidently original research, speculation based on viewing the primary source. I have removed it for that reason. If sources can be added, please feel free to restore it. We would need stronger evidence to validate copyright concern. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 03:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronology

message: What is the point of this section?  It doesn't seem to be addressing any continuity issues.  I think that the synopses need to be put into the previous section and this one deleted, unless someone can find a point to it... Duggy 1138 (talk) 01:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to agree.  Only thing is, I've been watching the series lately and there appear to be a number of (admittedly minor) continuity issues within the series itself which would suggest a viewing order different from the airing/DVD order. DigiFluid (talk) 00:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've seen those on other pages.  Could be OK as long as it doesn't get too ORy. 203.35.82.136 (talk) 04:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, it COULD be alright.  I tend to want to avoid it on the Wiki entry though, as Wiki articles should be for substantiated fact rather than viewer speculation. DigiFluid (talk) 06:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode timeline... 

message: I'd like to point out that there are two distinct timelines in the original live-action films.  The original timeline is composed solely of the original film and its sequel, Beneath.  Cornelius and Zira's arrival in the 'present' in Escape does not create a causality loop as is commonly assumed.  Cornelius and Zira tell the human authorities during their interrogation that a plague wiped out the dogs and cats five centuries from then, and that the first ape to defy human overlordship was a household servant named Aldo who said "no" to his master.  Conquest and Battle show that the dog/cat plague came to Earth in the late 20th-century rather than the 25th; and that Caesar, the time-displaced child of Cornelius and Zira, was the one responsible for the ape uprising.  It also showed us that Aldo, rather than being the 'messiah of the apes', was the first-ever ape to kill ape (who was subsequently killed in single combat by Caesar).  Furthermore, Battle was framed in the 27th-century as the ape Lawgiver telling the story to a mixed crowd of both ape and human children, implying that Caesar's rule of the apes led to a more conciliatory world than the one that Taylor and Brent crashed on.
Regarding the TV series, I don't think there's any problem at all with regard to continuity.  Taylor's clock readout in the original film reads 3978, but this is retconned by the first and second films to be 3955 (as well as being referenced in the extended cut of the 5th and final film).  The intro of the TV series, as well as its first episode, very clearly state that this show takes place in 3085--nearly 900 years prior to the original film.  I think the only issue of continuity that this series presents is whether it takes place as part of the original Planet/Beneath continuity, or whether it falls into the altered timeline caused by Escape/Conquest/Battle.
Personally, I feel that the TV series better fits into the continuity of the original film and sequel.  Dr. Zaius in the original film was aware of human history, and was even referred to as 'the keeper of the terrible secret' by Taylor near the end of the film.  This, plus the clearly throwaway line about a similar incident 10 years prior to the pilot episode, indicates that human astronauts arriving on ape-dominated Earth seems to be a somewhat frequent occurrence.  As for the name Zaius being used in the original two films as well as this series, I really don't see how that's an issue at all.  Rather, it appears more likely that it's a family name; and that the Zaius family is in at least two generations charged with protecting the secret of Earth's history.
Further, I think that the TV series is more likely to be part of the original timeline just because of the plight of humans in it.  At the end of Battle (the alternate timeline), Caesar freed the humans to live as equals, and this appears to have persisted seven centuries until the Lawgiver's 'co-ed' class.  Now, granted that a lot could have changed in the (potential) 4 centuries between then and the series, but I refer back to the original continuity again: Zaius in the original film states that humans were once kept as pets and slaves before it was decided that they could not be domesticated.  This statement is in line with the state of humanity in the TV series; but the same can't be said of the ape/human relationship of the alternate timeline that we saw in Battle.
tl;dr version: the TV series makes more sense as taking place 900 years before the original film than anything else, and there really aren't any continuity issues to speak of. DigiFluid (talk) 23:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I forgot to add: the existence of two unique timelines appears to be affirmed by the packaging of the 40th-anniversary Blu-ray set of the 5 films.  It folds out and has two colour-coded timelines for the original and alternate. DigiFluid (talk) 23:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that needs to be briefly noted here, with a longer properly cited section on Planet of the Apes (franchise).  My one issue with your idea is IIRC, the humans in the series could talk which they couldn't in the original timeline. 203.35.82.136 (talk) 04:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd agree that the two timelines need to be mentioned on this page, but I think maybe we should write in that it's unclear which timeline the TV series belongs to.  I've said why I think it belongs in the original timeline here, but you're quite right in pointing out the mute human discrepancy.  It's a pretty significant sticking point, even with the 900 year gap between this series and the original film. DigiFluid (talk) 06:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Remember, the apes are going by what they have in THEIR records- so there are probably some honest errors, such as the dating, Aldo's role, etc. As gorillas gained more power, they could have rewritten history to make Aldo rather than Caesar the hero, for instance. CFLeon (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timelines, Zaius, and Continuities 

message: I think we should list which episodes each of the telefilms contains edited versions of... 203.35.82.136 (talk) 04:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree, I noticed that and thought the same thing.  Except that I don't know which pieces were used in creating which telefilms, so I can't do it ;) DigiFluid (talk) 06:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Telefilms 

message: What was the 3rd astronaut's name? I recall that they called him something like "Jonesy", but it's been more than 40 years since I've seen the episode.CFLeon (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the episode on YouTube. They do call the third guy "Jonesy" (spelling assumed). Unfortunately, the credits are cut, so I don't know who the poor actor was that had to pose like that for who-knows-how-long. He's not listed at IMDB (probably because no spoken lines on-screen)- anyone know who the actor was? CFLeon (talk) 02:41, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: 3rd astronaut?