Talk:Citroën 2CV

message: I thought that the Citroen 2 CV was designed by Ferdinand Porsche when he was captured by the French during World War II.  And it was called "Porsche's Revenge".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Furjaw (talk • contribs) 19:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You thought erroneously, like Moses. Porsche designed the VW Beetle (Or rather, pinched it from Tatra). -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 19:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC Ferdinand Porsche worked on the Renault 4CV while imprisoned by the French, though he wasn't the main designer. Mr Larrington (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

text: That would be the Renault 4cv, it is very unlikely that Porsche would stray from his rear engine idea, besides the 2cv had already been underway since the early 1930s 2.104.71.150 (talk) 10:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Designed by Ferdinand Porsche? 

message: I seem to recall my parents, who spent quite a bit of time in France in the '60s, often referred to this car as the "cigarette roller" because of its appearance.  Can someone confirm that this was a common nickname for the vehicle?  71.199.122.99 (talk) 00:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cigarette Roller" nickname? 

message: The CV seems to be a unit used to place french cars in different tax classes based on how the engine power relates to the polluting level. Puissance fiscale is the french name for this unit, and there is a description of the formula on this page http://www.lewebdesconducteurs.com/guide/technique/unites.htm
This knowledge comes from a webpage run by a norwegian enthusiast http://home.no.net/kjellts/2cvev/a/hvorfor-cv.shtml
Christian Dyrop
CV = Cheval Vapeur (Steam Horse) the expression was already old fashioned in the 40's everybody said Cheval or Cheval Fiscal.
Ericd 07:57, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The meaning of the term 2CV is not deux chevaux!  

message: I removed :
"The car had no door locks, no indicators (half-windows allowing hand signals), no electric starter, almost no instrumentation, one rear light, one stop lamp, and no heating. "
That was true for the prototype not for the production car.
By the wording structure(since corrected by me) combined with the tecnical layout, it appears there is a possibility that this article is no more than a quick, careless, cut and paste job. I believe therefore, the question of copright has to be a real concern. Perhaps it should be looked at further.Olga Bityerkokoff
:The article was largely written by Ericd - I'd put money on it not being copyrighted. There's no problem here. --Camembert
:Just read the history of this article you will see it's not cut and paste.
:Ericd 08:57 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
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Could we get an explanation for the curious phrase "suicide doors"? -- Infrogmation 01:13 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
:Do you mean you need one, or that they should be in the article, or they should be their own article? In short, they're doors that face "the wrong way", hinge at the rear, opening at the front. -- John Owens 01:19 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
:: The first two. If there's quite a bit of interesting information on them, perhaps the third as well :-)  I still would like to know the reason for the name. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 01:25 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
:::I can help with that last, they're called that because even more so than doors that face "the right way", getting out while the car is in motion is suicidal, since the door smacks you around then. There might be enough out there for an article, though I think a better candidate than suicide doors might be List of automobiles with suicide doors (or "cars", once that's settled), since there isn't much to say about them themselves beyond the dictionary entry. -- John Owens 01:30 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
:Don't start  List of automobiles with suicide doors you will have to list nearly all the pre-1940 cars ;)
:Ericd 08:57 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
::Is it more that if you open them even a little while the car's in motion, it'll catch the wind and be violently flung open (or even off it's hinges), possibly taking you with it? Plus it allows for much speedier exiting by simply lunging forward out of the gap rather than deliberately stepping out sideways. It's a more convenient, but all round decidedly more dangerous alternative to the now-conventional front-hinged doors. When they made a comeback in the RX8, they were both smaller, and designed such that the rear suicide door (flap?) couldn't be opened until the front one was. 82.46.180.56 (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Tannin
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I remember of a 2CV destroyed by helicopters in "Apocalypse Now" who can confirm ?
Ericd 16:07 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
I can confirm myself see http://www.magicsurfbus.com/surfmovies3.htm
Ericd
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I'm not completely sure how the mechanical wipers worked. I remembrer driving a 1953 2CV under the rain once in 1980. I know there was only one cable to fore the tachometer and the wipers but how did Citroën manage to make them move (even slowly) when the car was stopped ?  Is it possible that they was an inertial system ? I haven't tested if they would stop after a sufficient time.
Ericd 22:34, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misc comments 

message: "Citroën never sold this engine in the 2CV, however some enthusiasts have converted their 2CVs to 652 engines,basically a wicked bo car."
Is this sort of language allowed on Wiki? I didn't think colloquialisms were banned, or somesuch. Doesn't seem very proper to be honest.
I'm going to edit this out. Any protests?
Edit: Haha, looks like someone beat me to it! The page has been cleaned up since I posted this...
: I wish it had been left, as that whole section is quite poorly written and unencyclopaedic as it is.
: I would attempt a more neutral-language rewrite... again... but it'd only get undone by whoever wrote that bit who seems a bit zealous about keeping their text intact. 193.63.174.211 (talk) 12:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silliness? 

message: I think that the Yagán belongs more to the Citroën FAF article.Hektor 00:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Yagán

message: The 2CV pictured was build after 1958 I'm quite certain of it. Ericd 10:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First generation 2CV picture

message: hey could someone check the picture on the page about the Sten gun. There is a picture about a french partisan with an american officer. We are trying to find what the car is. If anyone with an idea give me your opinion? Any help is thanked! paat 19:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Need help for picture

message: The advertising deserves a mention.
I remember a great advertisement for the 2CV (in the British magazine Car, in the late 1980s), with a specification sheet and a "No" against every feature - reconstruction here.
(More 2CV ads at [here http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/3788/ads/adverts.htm 2CV Advertisements]
See also A comparison between the Citroën 2cv and its closest rival (the camel). (This page also has a tiny image of the ad mentioned above, and more Citroen ads can be seen by starting here and clicking Next at the bottom of each page.)
Hope that helps. I would love the edit the page myself, but my friend is threatening to book me in to the Betty Ford clinic's Wikiholics ward... --Singkong2005 13:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember another one also, with a housewife and her kids pictured in the car, and the copy was mainly about how it could save you bundles of money compared to any other 'new' car (and possibly various used cars/the bus?)... including how you wouldn't get speeding fines as it topped out at 69.5mph or thereabouts :) a similar sentiment to that in http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5268/anuncis/tortuga.gif , and another ad seen on that site where it is compared to certain luxury vehicles (faster (maxed at 70mph) than a ferrari (cruising at 65), as many wheels as a rolls royce, more spacious than a 911)... hehe. I thought it was quite funny when I saw it in the late 80s/early 90s not long before it was discontinued, though I don't think I'd go for such a (almost dangerously) slow car nowadays having lived with one of 'normal' performance, and another that could 'only' do 85~90mph. The austerity is more bearable however, the difference between it and the second example would be wind-up windows, a radio and a 60% larger, water-cooled engine... 82.46.180.56 (talk) 19:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertisements

message: I've removed this edit: 
:While Citroën never replaced the 2CV, companies like Chrysler with the PT Cruiser, Toyota with the Scion xB, and Honda with the Element have recognized the roomy, utilitarian 2CV concept and translated it to the modern era.
I can't see very much in common between these cars and the 2CV. It would be interesting to make comparisons, though I think what it would actually do is highlight the fact that more recent car production has simply not aimed for quite the same goals, and certainly hasn't achieved them with anything like the same success or creativity. Look at fuel consumption - if I have my facts straight, only very expensive cars such as the Toyota Prius are better qualified to be called low-energy vehicles. 
Anyway, excuse my rant. Perhaps there is something worth writing though, about comparisons with other cars (but of course more factual and NPOV than my rant). --Singkong2005 (t - c - WPID) 14:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably something like the Tata Nano? Or even the Dacia Logan, though that's quite a bigger step, in terms of style and intent. Both are cheap, utilitarian basic cars that aren't particularly hot performers but do get you there much faster than walking. 82.46.180.56 (talk) 19:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparisons with other cars 

message: Also, in the summer of '82-83, if i remember correctly, i was 17 -18 y.old, a friend of mine and I have instaled a one cylinder diesel engine from a small tractor "Tomo Vinković" made in Bjelovar, Croatia, in order to save big $$ on fuel. This tractor manufacturer had some conections with Italian "Lombardini" company. 
However we ended up returning the old engine back due to the maximum speed being about as fast as a faster walking pace and 'cling-clang' very noisy sound of one cylinder diesel loud engine turning heads of people along the streets of Tuzla in Bosnia. The plan was to get to Adriatic Sea and back on about 20 liters of diesel fuel - due to the shortage funds in our teenage years.
61.68.231.134 06:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well... that's nice... but what is the relevance? :) 193.63.174.211 (talk) 12:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diesel 2 CV 

message: I don't think so, unless you are being incredibly liberal with the truth. 
The 2CV has as much in common with the Mehari, Dyane and Ami variants as the VW Beetle with the Type 2 Van/Bus, as the Renault 4 does with the Renault 5,6,7, and the the mark one Ford Fiesta does with every Fiesta from 1976 to 2001.
The 2CV sold 3.8 million units, to add all of the other models is to tell a lie
: The 2CV is largely mechanically identical to its other variants - the entire chassis and running gear can be interchanged. That is not true of any of the other examples, even the VW Type 2 had chassis members added to the lengthened Beetle floor pan. In any case, the article states quite clearly what the total production of the 2CV itself was, and that the 9 million total was "spawned" by the 2CV design. Your comment about the variants having no body parts in common is also wrong, by the way - the AK van shares the front part of the 2CV body. -- Ian Dalziel 14:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Baint just lengthened - there are external chassis members which the Beetle doesn't have. I know about this - I've had to replace a few of them on my Bay.  They tried the Beetle pan on the prototype and it wasn't strong enough. On the A series, AFAIK only the rear chassis extensions are different on the 2CV variants. -- Ian Dalziel 21:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 2CV sold 9 million units? 

message: "The 2CV was produced for 42 years, the model finally succumbing to customer demands for speed and safety, areas in which this ancient design had fallen significantly behind modern cars"
This implies that the 2CV was seriously considered alongside modern cars. I seriously doubt this, and think it is fanciful thinking by 2CV devotees.
It is more likely that the 2CV bought for the fact that it was different, old and weird looking. It was definitely a niche car. 213.202.166.118 (21:45) 13 September 2006
The highest year of production was 1974 - there just aren't that enough whimscal niche buyers to make that possible. The 2CV occupied a special class of sub VW Beetle low price auto, and within that sector it's performance was competitive with similar priced vehicles, like Moskvitch, Skoda, and low spec Mini's. With the end of the bitter economic recession in Europe and economic progress in the late 1980's, this class of vehicle disappeared. Towards the mid-1980's, the 2CV did indeed develop more expensive variants to attract nostalgia buyers.76.168.255.29 06:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I remember the speed and safety were still not things massively playing on people's minds when it was phased out, as it could still put up a fight against a contemporary 750cc Panda in the city or cross-country (if not on the motorway), and NCAP had not yet been formed to wipe away similarly deadly machines like the Mini and the AX. The word at the time (in contemporary magazines I read) was more that they were unable to (economically?) make the ancient air-cooled and carburetted engine comply with emissions regulations despite its economy, a similar problem also doing for the Beetle in some markets, so they let it die in favour of heavier, larger engined, but overall less polluting machines from which they could make more profit. 82.46.180.56 (talk) 19:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2CV competitive for 42 years? 

message: I encountered a fully galvanized steel 2CV while stationed in Germany during the early 1980's. I think I was traveling in France at the time, and did not have a camera to record the event. But I remember it vividly!
The perfect agricultural vehicle, I recall thinking at the time. Any information on this particular "option"?
ejdavid@operamail.com
Not sold by Citoën IMO. Ericd 20:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hot dupping was a thing in the seventies and eighties around Germany and Scandinavia. 2.104.71.150 (talk) 15:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: dipping..not dupping, my bad 2.104.71.150 (talk) 15:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galvanized Steel 2CV (Poor Man's Delorean) 

message: I removed this text - which contains no informational value about the car, only about the bizarre predjudices of an unrelated individual.
"Jeremy Clarkson the british motoring journalist claims the 2CV is "one of the worst cars ever made" In the DVD "Heaven and Hell" he is quoted as saying - "..for a time this car was indeed bourght by French farmers, but then it became to company car of choice for the anti-nuclear veg-head mob who got it into their heads that it was kind to the enviroment - they couldn't have been more wrong!" Other quotes include: "it was incapable of going around any corner without falling to pieces," said as the driver's side door opened. "What did anyone see in it" "I've turned it off, and it's still killing the planet" said as the key was removed from the starter and the engine continued to tick over. "the engines going to be on forever," which, in fact, could be stopped by stalling it. The report on this car ended when a gravel skip with "CND" spray-painted on it was dropped on the car from 100 feet, flattening it."
76.168.253.242 08:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: non-review

message: "The car would use no more than 3 litres of gasoline to travel 100 km"?? Are you sure about that fact? How can you know? Tomer T 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was in it the design requirements. But not sure it was met IMO this article is missing something important : the long evolution between the the original project and the last stock 2CVs. Ericd 20:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The design spec did call for 3l/100km, but I doubt if it would be attainable.  Perhaps driving a 375cc version very gently might do it.  I know that the 602cc Dyane was lucky to do better than 4l/100km.Gordonjcp (talk) 02:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I could see a 375cc one, driven at the 50km/h design speed, achieving that figure. Very little aero drag because of the speed, skinny tyres and light weight so not much rolling resistance, boxer engine having quite high mechanical efficiency and the small displacement, relatively high (for the time) compression engine and "overdrive" gearing meaning it wouldn't use as much fuel at the moderate load needed to maintain the speed as a larger engine in a heavier car would at the same speed. Or at least, it'd manage 3.5L... 3.0 was probably a target. They ended up making something that went faster but was probably less efficient. But if we consider modern economy scooters that use 2.0L or sometimes quite a bit less when ridden at similar speeds... might not a car that's not THAT much heavier achieve better than half the economy? 193.63.174.211 (talk) 13:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Not sure

message: What exactly is the connection between this project and the Citroen 2CV car? Tomer T 20:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh? The 2CV was based on the TPV. That's a connection, surely? -- Ian Dalziel 20:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this is a connection, but it's not understandable enough through the text or not emphasized enough in it. It should be fixed. Tomer T 13:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TPV 

message: This article was tagged with the Clean-Up Spam Tag. As part of WP:WPSPAM I have cleaned up the external links section. My decisions were based on the guidelines found on WP:WPSPAM and WP:EL.
* Tpv-2cv, for all your 2cv spare parts Removed - is clearly Link Spam
*Photographs, videos, history... of the 2cv Removed - I do not believe this is a notable/positively contributing external link.
*2cvimports, the place to purchase a like-new 2cv in the US Removed - is clearly Link Spam
*Citroën A Series Index Page - Kept - I was unable to find an offcial homepage for the 2CV
* 2CVs R us Removed - is clearly Link Spam
*2CV Sahara 4x4 - Removed - I do not believe this is a notable/positively contributing external link.
*Citroën 2CV crash testRemoved - I do not believe this is a notable/positively contributing external link.
*A 2CV personal page with some technical info & pictures Removed - I do not believe this is a notable/positively contributing external link.
*Cats-Citroën Removed - I do not believe this is a notable/positively contributing external link.
*The Pembleton kit car Removed - This site appears to be both link spam and put of date (dated 2004 on website).
*The Lomax kit car Removed - I do not believe this is a notable/positively contributing external link.
*The Burton kit car Removed - I do not believe this is a notable/positively contributing external link. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rehnn83 (talk • contribs) 14:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The late Jeroen Cats actually had an extensive collection of classic Citroëns.  The link to his website is definitely positively contributing.  Likewise the link to the difflock.com article on the 2CV Sahara. Gordonjcp (talk) 02:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up of External links

message: In Spanish-speaking countries they were nicknamed "patito feo" ("Ugly duckling"), "citrola" or "citroneta" (derived from "Citroën").
I've never heard those nicknames, citrola and citroneta seem italian instead 
, the only nickname known in spain is "dos caballos" the spanish 
for two horses refering to CV that is the spanish for HP.IRU 14:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish nickname 

message: In the mid-1960's my cousin in Hawaii had a 2CV that was inoperative. In a two-day attempt to start it, I found that it had both a conventional foot-actuated clutch AND a centrifugal clutch (IIRC). The latter precluded push-starting, and the effort at resurrection was soon abandoned.LorenzoB 01:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This quirk is shared by the Dyane and Ami, and possibly others.  Does anyone know whether it's on the early model 2CVs?  The Dyane and Ami came with a starting handle doubling as a wheel brace. --King Hildebrand 17:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for the next one who will try to start a 2CV by pushing. Use the crank until late in the sixties most French car could be started by the same crank that was used to change a wheel. The small 2CV engine is very easy to start with the crank I remember a friend of mine using his 2CV is every day during several weeks with a broken electric starter. 62.212.105.216 Ericd 20:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Citroën GSA, made until around 1986, had a fitting for a starting handle.  I used one a couple of years ago in the very severe winter of 2004 - while nearly every other car in the street refused to start, I could get the GSA up and running in about a minute using the handle.Gordonjcp (talk) 02:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a hunch this could still be used on a variety of modern cars in extreme circumstance, but you would need a racheting torque wrench (for safety - you could use a plain breaker bar but it might snap your wrist, as well as potentially flying off into the air at speed) with a long extension on it, and to remove the right-hand side front wheel. This has been the way I've had to gain access to the accessory belt pulley in order to remove it so I could change the cambelt (though it's typically held on with a number of smaller bolts rather than the main central crankshaft bolt), and in both cases (different cars from different manufacturers) the bodywork was either shaped such to allow access to this part of the engine from within the wheel well, or had a small cutout just large enough to accomodate a socket wrench extension to undo the main bolt or the smaller ones one at a time. This was a useful access to manually turn the engine over also, whilst the pulley was still in place (becoming accessible from the engine bay itself once the pulley was off), and as both engines would, once sufficiently primed from either having run within the last few minutes, or a few non-firing turn-overs, happily start from a single half-turn "bump" provided by the vehicle's motion, it's conceivable the same effect could be achieved by hand. Never had the opportunity to try it, however! I imagine it may take somewhat more effort to get a typical modern hatchback going than hand-starting a 2CV (higher compression and cylinder volume, larger mass, more cylinders), but the extra length of the torque wrench should help, and it could be feasible if it was given a good yank. The thing turns quite nicely with the head off, for certain, so it would only be compression creating trouble. Mind you, it would have to be particularly extreme circumstances, such as being trapped with a jack and comprehensive toolkit, but a half-flat battery at the bottom of a hill with no-one else around :) 82.46.180.56 (talk) 19:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clutch Quirk 

message: I've just read that the car was based upon an original design by Le Corbusier; "Le Corbusier se lance lui-meme dans l'étude d'une voiture populaire.  Andre Citroen copiera ce prototype pour donner naissance a la celebre 2CV".  (de l'aventure Automobile; Serge Bellu).  In other words, Le Corbusier had a try and Citroen based the 2CV on his design.  Assuming this is true, should it not be in the article?  (I'd put it in myself but I don't know much about the car and so I think other editors would be better placed to put this in).  Marcus22 18:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design 

message: Article doesn't seem to mention when the switch from suicide doors to regular doors was made. I believe it was the 1965 model year, but the 2CV featured in a 1968 episode of Get Smart had suicide doors.76.168.255.29 08:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suicide Doors

message: I have the evidence of an anecdote from an ex-Royal Navy engineer, that a small number of Citroen 2CVs were taken to the Falklands in 1982 with a view to using them as transport.  The theory was apparently, that they would be able to go places that Land Rovers could not, across the scrubby peat bogs on the islands, because they were so light.
The guy concerned was not able to tell me whether the cars were actually put to use, nor do I have any other witnesses to this.  Can anyone confirm or deny this tale?  --Ndaisley (talk) 18:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Never heard about that. I think I do remember reading about a member of the Fortress Falklands force who kept a 2CV there - could that be the origin of the story? -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 19:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 2CV goes to war 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Citroën Bijou.jpg

message: Can anyone verify that at least one of the early prototypes was built with magnesium swing arms, and was destroyed in a fire?
Nick 3216 (talk) 19:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Magnesium 

message: As the :template:refimprove has been on the article page for over a year, I think it's time someone removed all information presented without a reference. It's really stupid but must be done to comply with Verifiability policy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.53.181 (talk) 09:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing unsourced information 

message: Is it really relevant to speak ill of the suspension of American cars when discussing the 2CV suspension?  User: Trifoot  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.129.188 (talk) 04:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: American Bashing

message: Wasn't the 2CV also in the 1998 film Madeline? I remember seeing the car in a number of scenes. For example, when Miss Clavel drives after the circus truck to save Pepito and Madeline, you can clearly see the model.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.137.134 (talk) 05:27, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be shocked and amazed if a film set in mid-20th-century France wouldn't have a 2CV in it somewhere... 193.63.174.211 (talk) 13:03, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2CV in Films 

message: Does this page need so much pictures that it has now? --Typ932 T·C 17:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  pictures 

message: I removed this from the article: the list is in French and is unverified. Without third-party verification to establish truth and notability, this is pure listcruft. Drmies (talk) 21:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot understand why this was removed (unless we don't trust anything said by the French, of course, which I would entirely understand). I would have thought most of this was very easy to check and all of it should be returned to the article as being important material that's almost certainly correct. MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 16:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:WPACT may help you to understand.  Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The guidance there helps me understand the principle of writing articles, however, that is not why the listing above was removed. Furthermore, the 2CV is iconic and has likely been used in that capacity many times. It deserves at least some coverage, and likely far more than yer average 5-door hatchback. MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 20:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This may not be the reason why the list was taken out, but it is the reason why it should not be put back. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 01:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of film appearances 

message: *A yellow Citroën 2CV6 was driven by James Bond (Roger Moore) in the 1981 film For Your Eyes Only as he and Melina Havelock (Carole Bouquet) escaped from henchmen of Aristotle Kristatos (Julian Glover) in the Spanish highlands.
*Le Corniaud, 1965
*Le Gendarme de Saint-Tropez, 1964
*American Graffiti, 1973. Richard Dreyfuss drives a Deux Chevaux in this classic American car movie.
*An orange 1974 Citroën 2CV was driven by Fred Randall (Harland Williams) in the 1997 movie RocketMan.
* Les Diaboliques (1952) : la 2CV fourgonnette de 1952 (tout premier modèle) sert au transport du cadavre.
* Le Corniaud (1964) : célèbre scène de dislocation d'une 2CV avec Louis de Funès et Bourvil : « Qu'est ce qu'y a, qu'est ce qu'y a.. oh ben, elle va marcher beaucoup moins bien ! Forcément... ».
* Les films de la série du Gendarme de Saint-Tropez (à partir de 1964) : C'est la voiture de la religieuse, les gendarmes se déplaçant en Méhari. De truculentes courses poursuite.
* Ne nous fâchons pas (1966) : mémorable course poursuite entre le Type H et la 2CV des méchants britanniques qui finit sur le pilier central d'un Viaduc effondré. La scène fut tournée quelques jours avant la destruction programmée du pilier. Le budget du film ne permettait d'aller rechercher la 2CV qui a fait le grand plongeon lors du dynamitage du pilier.
* Alexandre le bienheureux (1967) : la voiture de « la Grande » est une 2CV export de 1967. Le klaxon n'est cependant pas d'origine.
* Quelques messieurs trop tranquilles (1972) de Georges Lautner : utilisation d'une 2CV camionnette par Jean Lefebvre. 
* Les Valseuses (1973) : Patrick Dewaere et Gérard Depardieu volent une 2CV dans un champ, qui ne démarre pas de suite et se trouve menacée par la moissonneuse du paysan hors de lui.
* American Graffiti (1973) : elle est le véhicule de Curt Henderson (Richard Dreyfuss), ses copains roulant tous en Américaines.
* Cocorico Monsieur Poulet (1974) de Jean Rouch : un road movie au Niger en 2CV déglingué.
* Apocalypse Now (1979) : apparition très furtive sur un ponton avant explosion sous une bombe.
* Bon Voyage, Charlie Brown (1980) : The Peanuts gang tour France in an old 2CV,
* Rien que pour vos yeux (1981) : avec Carole Bouquet et Roger Moore, en James Bond, au volant. Cela sera l'occasion de la parution du modèle de série limité: 2Cv 007.
* "Joyeuses Pâques" (1984) de Georges Lautner : avec Jean-Paul Belmondo, Marie Laforêt et Sophie Marceau. Une 2CV verte se fait tamponner par la Fiat Uno de Belmondo et finit à cheval sur un rail de sécurité.
* Scout toujours (1985) de Gérard Jugnot : utilisation d'une 2CV camionnette.
* Full Metal Jacket (1987) : apparition d'une 2CV grise en arrière plan, tournant continuellement en rond (40″).
* Good Morning, Vietnam (1988) : une 2CV rouge, sans vitre de custode.
* Les Visiteurs (1992) : le cuisinier du Courtepaille est jeté en l'air par Godefroy de Montmirail et atterrit sur une 2CV verte.
* Proposition indécente (1992) : elle est la voiture de Demi Moore.
* Vers la révolution en 2 CV (2001) : en 1974, Marco, Victor et Claire quittent Paris à bord d'une 2CV destination Lisbonne. La ville vient d'être libérée de la dictature.
* Antitrust (2001) : une 2CV Charleston conduite par Claire Forlani.
* Spy Game (2001) : Catherine McCormack conduit une 2CV bleue dans les rues de Beyrouth.
* Les Triplettes de Belleville (2003) film d'animation de Sylvain Chomet, où les véhicules des méchants gangsters, sont des 2CV au capot immense.
* Final Cut (2004) avec Robin Williams, où une 2CV blanche apparaît en arrière plan lors d'un Flash back.
* Destination finale à la fin du film les protagonistes se retrouvent à Paris et une 2CV est garée en face de la terrasse du troquet où ils sont assis.
*Michel Vaillant quand la voiture de course se retrouve sur l'autoroute, une 2CV est doublée.
*Louis la Brocante car la mère religieuse a une 2CV.
:I cannot understand why this was removed (unless we don't trust anything said by the French, of course, which I would entirely understand). I would have thought most of this was very easy to check and all of it should be returned to the article as being important material that's almost certainly correct. MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 16:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:WPACT may help you to understand.  Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The guidance there helps me understand the principle of writing articles, however, that is not why the listing above was removed. Furthermore, the 2CV is iconic and has likely been used in that capacity many times. It deserves at least some coverage, and likely far more than yer average 5-door hatchback. MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 20:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This may not be the reason why the list was taken out, but it is the reason why it should not be put back. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 01:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Film appearances

message: I will change the distances to km (with mi between brackets) and the speeds to km/h. This is the international system and also the system used in France. Nico (talk) 11:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think its consistent now:
*mass in kg (lb)
*distance in km (mi)
*speed in km/h (mph)
*engine volumes in cc
*engine power in hp (kW) 
Nico (talk) 12:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

text: It is still not consistent. Someone used bhp (I suppose it is British horse power as brake horse power does not make sense here), somebody knows how to change to hp? Nico (talk) 12:25, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  BHP, as in brake horsepower, is the usual method of measuring engine power at the crank, and even if no-one from the RAC or wherever put a 2CV on a rolling road, or an engine and hooked it up to a suitable dynamometer there are standards for converting it at least approximately into and from PS (pferdstarke) and the like as used on the continent... 193.63.174.211 (talk) 13:06, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Units 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:Citroen FAF.jpg

message: :Removed about 10 sites that were just blatantly advertising their forums/sites or services.
:All we have now are a french 2CV museum and another site giving detailled information that would be beneficial to include in the article if it wasn't already huge.
:Please read the rules on external links before advertising in the article to see if a site is worth adding.
:Thanks Jenova20 16:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links and Linkspamming

message: Isn't anybody going to mention Emile Leray and his ad hoc motorcycle built from a 2CV? Heyzeuss (talk) 18:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Ian Dalziel (talk) 23:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emile Leray 

message: I have removed the following list of links from the article. They simply do not follow the prescriptions at Wikipedia:External links.  This is an encyclopaedia, not a directory listing.  Please reinsert only those that align with the guidance. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links at an encyclopaedia 

message: Anyone got any info, or can confirm/refute the idea that there was only one body colour - i.e with production of the 2CV6 - used each year?92.41.113.223 (talk) 20:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colours by year? 

message: On my computer, the main photo looks dark and shadowy. 
This cannot be the best photo anyone in the whole wikiworld has of a 2CV. PLawrence99cx (talk) 07:00, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Main photo too dark

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Re https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Citro%C3%ABn_2CV&curid=85081&diff=736484854&oldid=736433056 (and others)
Why shouldn't  or even  be used in headings? Links yes, but why not anchors?  Anchors (of the whole heading title) are implicit in them anyway. There are plenty of cases where other terms, or sub-phrases of the heading, could be worthwhile. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:49, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The style guide (MOS:HEAD) doesn't explicity forbids the use of the anchor, and it even seems to endorse said usage in certain circumstances: "If there are many links to the old section title, create an anchor with that title to ensure that the links still work". Maybe the editors adding/removing it can post here a rationale of why they are adding/removing it. --Urbanoc (talk) 21:34, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

text: It breaks edit summary section links. See Template:Anchor#Limitations. — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:59, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the answer JJMC89, it seems a valid concern, and, in fact, WP:ANCHOR clearly gives both options as valid, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. --Urbanoc (talk) 22:08, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  It doesn't break edit summary section links (which are beneath trivial anyway), it breaks the default value given for edit summary section links. A concerned editor may still change these before saving.  As edit summaries are immutable anyway, once saved, the deed is done. There is thus zero benefit to re-editing to change the page and do this with verbose out-of-band embedded HTML.  This is a pointless change to make. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:17, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>{{anchor}}</nowiki> in headings? 

message: What do we think of citroenet as a source? Also the Haynes manual refs need page numbers. Anyone able to help? --John (talk) 06:42, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I don't like citroenet because is a fansite and fansites aren't the best sources out there, especially for potentially controversial statements.  As for John Reynolds books, sadly I can't help on that, I don't have any and I'm not planning to buy them either, as they are aimed at Citroën enthusiasts. In any case, they certainly are a far better source than a fansite. Maybe the editors that introduced the manual as reference can help with the pages, if they're still active on Wikipedia. --Urbanoc (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, fan sites are unreliable - often presenting hearsay and guesses rather than facts. These fan sites are also usually quite small, showing a lack of knowledge. But some fan sites show a passionate author who researches the subject in great depth. I think citroenet is of this good type. WP:FANSITES point 11 allows for fan sites if they are done by a recognised authority. We can also use his site when it is just presenting raw facts (scans of brochures) because there is no interpretation in that.  Stepho  talk  23:44, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: As per Stepho. Also, I am in grad school so I don't really have time to do a whole bunch here, but it seems that there are consensus attempts happening nowadays. As for the S-Cargo being an homage to the 2CV Fourgonnette, I don't see the problem.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Two sections of this are flagged as being too long and detailed, the engine and the suspension. While we are at it, which of the data tables should we keep? Not all of them I think. --John (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The engine and suspension sections could be shortened by two-thirds or so, very obscure and fanboyish info for the most part. The tables are all, imho, useful and a concise way to present information that would be useless and confusing in prose format. Maybe the Sahara and Commercial tables could be folded in to the big table of models; it could then be made collapsible so that everyone doesn't have to look at it. The production table could also be collapsed. That way the info is available to those who want it, without filling the screen.  Mr.choppers | ✎  22:34, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been working on improving the verifiability and readability of the article. Thinking about it, I am tending to agree with you that this information (at least that which is sourced) shold not be removed. Collapsed sounds good; or would there be scope for an article like Production data of the Citroën 2CV to put this stuff into. --John (talk) 13:15, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

text: I did a bit more pruning and looking at the refs and I'm thinking about what we have: there's a big data table in Engines which is unsourced, there's a lengthy one at Chronology of the development of models during production which is largely unsourced, and there's the one at Production history which breaks out into three smaller ones. These last are sourced to Reynolds, and I am sure the others can be sourced too. But this is far too much primary data to include in the article, even if collapsed I think. What is needed is a summary of these tables in running text, with the main data moved over into a sub-article (I even have doubt about that), and just keep the highlights in the article. What do you think? --John (talk) 01:38, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

text: I now think on reflection we could take the engines, production history and the three small ones out into a daughter article (after summarising them here of course) and integrate the chronology one into the existing Production which it currently duplicates. --John (talk) 01:56, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done that. What do you think? --John (talk) 11:51, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too long 

message: I noticed an apparent contradiction between "The purchase price of the 2CV was always very low", "The 2CV sold poorly in Great Britain in part due to its excessive cost because of import duties on components" and "Only a few thousand 2CVs were sold in North America when they were new; as in Britain their pricing was excessive relative to competitors". Any thoughts? --John (talk) 20:07, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the unsourced and contradictory claims re pricing. --John (talk) 19:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pricing 

message: I propose that Baby-Brousse be merged into Citroën FAF, because these vehicles overlap and are conceptually similar. The text itself overlaps. PLawrence99cx (talk) 20:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: The suggestion that "CV" refers to "chevaux-vapeur" was introduced by this IP edit in 2008, but the edit is unsourced. French wikipedia is at pains to distinguish between the cheval-vapeur (ch) and the cheval fiscal (CV) but doesn't explain why the abbreviation CV is used to designate the latter. The first sentence of this article, as it stands [ The Citroën 2CV (French: deux chevaux(-vapeur), pronounced [dø ʃ(ə)vo (vapœʁ)], lit. "two steam horse(power)s", meaning "two taxable horsepower") ... ] is confusing for several reasons. "2CV" is pronounced "deux chevaux" in French, not "deux chevaux-(vapeur)", and CV refers not to chevaux-vapeur but to chevaux fiscaux. Bracketing "(-vapeur)" in the French, then "(power)" in its English translation suggests that one is translated by the other, when clearly this isn't the case.
How can we fix this mess? I suggest removing the references to "vapeur" and "steam". The French name "deux chevaux" is best translated literally as "two horses", without reference to steam or power. The link to "Tax_horsepower#France" can take care of the rest. Any thoughts? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 11:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Chevaux-Vapeur?'' 

message: @Dreamcarfan had added a section called "Hidden concept version" but it has a number of problems.
Firstly, the reference is vey, very weak. It consists of a single image with no explanatory text. The image has the number plate "2 CV 2000" and has lines on the bonnet generally reminiscent of the 2CV but is otherwise quite different to the CV. It is unknown if it was developed by Citroen as a prototype or concept car, by a tuner company (eg, like Zagato often did for other companies) or just a enthusiast doing custom work to his own car in homage to the 2 CV. Also, allcarsindex.com just scrapes its images and text (if any) from other sites, including both my own website and Wikipedia. It does no independent fact checking.
Secondly, how can it be "hidden" if it is on display. If it really is a concept car by Citroen then it is normal for a concept car to be developed quietly and then shown with great fanfare.
This needs far better references and background checking. If anything is unclear then it cannot be put on Wikipedia as a fact.  Stepho  talk  10:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidden concept version