Talk:Lilian Garcia

message: I guess as her popularity has waned, the bogus posters have stopped raiding this site, looks like much of the false information has been corrected.  Thanks.--Birtclp (talk) 13:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Warning to researchers

message: We badly need a 3rd opinion or more here.  IMDB has an exhaustive list covering Lilian's career with WWE, and several other wrestlers have links to IMDB from Wikipedia.  In fact, there are several fansites with superior-quality information about her than the ones listed here; it makes me wonder if the fansites listed here are just self-serving spam.  In any case, I feel IMDB is an appropriate link.  If anyone besides AutumnLeaves or myself has any input, it would be appreciated.--24.196.175.110 11:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IMDB link

message: I deleted the second photo of Lillian Garcia because it was just a smaller version of the first one. No need to take up bandwith.
:The two photos are not the same.  The only thing similar about the two photos is that she is wearing the same outfit. --Jenn 04:03, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: Lilian Garcia graduated from Irmo High School in Columbia, SC in 1984 at the age of 17.  The 1966 birthdate is corroborated at IMDB.com.
First of all, where on earth did you get that she "graduated in 1984" ???  Also, IMDB is NOT a reliable source ! They have many times got many peoples birthdays completely wrong ! And honestly, does Lilian look 40 to you !!!! Use your common sense! - J.D. 6 May 2006
Female entertainers have a long tradition of shaving off the years.
I'm not sure if you're trying to suggest some sort of plastic surgery with that 1 sentence reply, but you would really need proof for that to be considered in this matter about her year of birth, and I doubt you have any. Getting back to the issue however, where did you get "graduated in 1984" from ??? You MUST cite your reference otherwise it will be removed. and again IMDB is NOT a reliable source. - J.D. 6 May 2006
No, I am not implying any plastic surgery, I was only referring to the birthdate.  Searching the web, I've found 1966, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1973, and 1975 listed as her year of birth.  The 1984 comment was made here, in the talk section, so removing it is pointless.  IMDB is as reliable a source as any other website's, and I can assure you with 100% confidence that her birth certificate & driver's license show her birth year as 1966.  Yes, IMDB can be wrong, but I don't see any more reliable sites cited.  
She graduated from Irmo High School in Columbia, SC in 1984.  She was a finalist in the Miss South Carolina pageant in 1985.  She graduated U. of South Carolina in 1988.  Those are verifiable facts, and when someone makes the necessary phone calls (not me), they will all say the same thing:  She was born in 1966.
:Just out of random curiosity, how did you see her birth certificate and driver's license? Also, please sign your comments in some fashion. --Naha|(talk) 00:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: J.D., you should get a Wikipedia account :) --Naha|(talk) 12:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thats pretty cool. In regards to IMDB, however, the website does not engage in fact checking. You e-mail them something, they add it without giving it a second thought. Yes, it has a lot of correct information, but it has a ton of incorrect information as well. Anything from IMDB must be crosschecked with other references if they exist. --Naha|(talk) 17:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Very true, very true. --Naha|(talk) 18:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Calm down folks, we can have a conversation here without getting all snippy. While its true we can't write something just because someone claims it is true via personal experience, you can say that without jumping all over them. "I'd like to believe you, but unfortunatly you can't prove it so we can't use it" is short, simple, and to the point.  I am not going to take sides in this argument, yet anyway. IMDB can be faulty, as I've already stated. I'm familiar with Dave Meltzer and Wrestling Observer Newsletter. I read it, I enjoy it, but that is besides the point. You have not proved that "The Observer clearly outranks IMDB.." in any fashion. So what, exactly, about Meltzer makes his work reliable? Does he cite sources? IF so, what are they?  As far as I know, he's never worked for the WWE or any other promotion, he's just a fan...  I could do the digging too, but I'm not the one trying to prove he's a good source. Please give us some more information. --Naha|(talk) 23:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: *sigh* --Naha|(talk) 12:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's because you can't easily prove that you know someone, or have met someone, or have gone to school with someone, on the internet.  However, it is fun to watch someone spend so much energy to ensure that the wrong birthdate is listed. --24.196.175.110 22:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The site only lists those alumni who have registered, and it also says "This site has no association with the school or school district."  So anyone can register there, and you can feel free to register there yourself.  Also, please sign your Wikipedia comments with 4 tildes (~). --24.196.175.110 17:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds good, just be aware that the birthdate listed is incorrect. :) --24.196.175.110 02:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is not for celebrating Lilian Garcia, it is for reporting facts about Lilian Garcia.  There is no "side" or "concession" necessary, and contributors don't need to be "fans", they just need to be accurate.--Son of Somebody 22:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not a lilian fan, i go through many pages on here and correct things that need be. Now seeing as on nearly all websites that i have looked at when i googled for this information a little while ago lilians birthday is put as 1973, now unless someone can provide 100% proof with a realible LINK that EVERYONE can see, then it should stay as 1973 unless proof is provided otherwise. Also IMDB is not 100% reliable they have alot of inaccurate information on there, so i will ask that imdb is not use as a link. Lil crazy thing 13:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While IMdB isn't 100% reliable (what is?), they do have thorough fact-checking and IMdB is used as a widespread citable source throughout Wikipedia.  The incorrect 1973 date appears to have originated on this very page, then spread out to the wrestling fansites you mention.  Lilian Garcia graduated from Irmo High School in 1984 and from the University of South Carolina in 1988, both matters of public knowledge (read this page).  Any reasonable person will agree that IMdB, while imperfect, is a more reliable source than any wrestling fansite.  If any "official" page such as WWE's website listed a date, you'd have a case.  IMdB will continue to be used as a citation, as it is used throughout the rest of Wikipedia.  Whether IMdB is a reliable site is a matter of discussion for the IMdB talk page.--Son of Somebody 23:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I say we leave her birthday as unknown.Sephiroth storm 22:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthdate

message: Should it really say McGuirk is her predecessor? He left WWF in 1992, Lilian didn't get hired until 1999. It was also a few years before Lilian took over RAW announcing duties fulltime. TJ Spyke 01:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mike Mcguirk is a woman, and since Lillian was the next female to follow her, using predecessor in this case makes sense. 144.126.208.61 03:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mike McGuirk]] 

message: I have been watching from the sidelines the constant edit-warring going on among this article's editors, whether Lilian Garcia was born in 1966 or 1973. There are also conflicting dates within the article, that Lilian graduated high school in 1984, or that she graduated college in 1985, this just does not seem to be working out and I don't see this debate ending well. I think we will need more than one citation for this, perhaps an official one from the WWE. Hopefully this argument can be resolved. Valley2city 03:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I see that she's "a Puerto Rican".  Laughable and incorrect.--Son of Somebody 20:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article should be protected from anonymous users. This is an article about a living person, but every day it looks more like a chicken scratchboard.--Son of Somebody 02:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as her being "Puerto Rican", WWE.com claims that she "was raised in Madrid, Spain as a kid because my father worked in the American Embassy. I was there for the first 8 years of my life." -Source: http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/liliangarcia/spainblog Sephiroth storm 15:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Edit war|Edit warring]] 

message: I have corrected the link to Viscera from Nelson Frazier, Jr. to Viscera. One of the tasks of "WikiProject: Pro Wrestling"'s to do list is to correct these links due to a name change of the Viscera article. Please do not revert it back to "Nelson Frazier". I also took the subsequent links to Viscera off, we only really need a link on the first mention of a name MPJ-DK 19:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrected link 

message: lilian garica had no underwear when thrown into the pudding pool —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.230.221.122 (talk) 18:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the only way i can confirm it is via video or photos of that said incident. --Boutitbenza 69 9 (talk) 01:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  on the lilian garica page it says thet she had her underwear exposed but she was not wearing underwaer so she had her bear but exposed 

message: So what is the final word on this? The article refers to the IMDB as a source for her birthdate, but IMDB now lists the 1966 date. If that's what we're using as a reference, then her Birthdate will have to be changed on this page as well. I'll leave it for a few days, but if no one has any better sources or ideas, then I am going to change it.Spman 19:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck with that.--Son of Somebody 01:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The final word on her age / birthdate

message: She was born and raised in Madrid, should the first sentence say she is a Spanish singer / ring announcer? RealFerrari 06:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish or American?

message: I don't know why on earth this article of all things seems to be a target of vandalism from anonymous IP's as of late, but it's really become a problem. I've already had this page locked once, and if I continue to see people vandalize it, I think the next step will be getting some IP users banned from editing. Spman 21:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But does information in Wikipedia no have to be Verifiable? From your Google search, I see Wikipedia, three mirrors of Wikipedia, one fan site, and a few other junk pages that all appear to be getting the 1973 date from here. At least IMDB, which is a reputable source that is used throughout Wikipedia is a verifiable source for the 1966 date. If we are unable to come to a consensus in regards to this, I feel the best course of action is to just leave out her date of birth altogether.Spman 22:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDb is not a reliable source for any information. I have tried my best for months to find a reliable source for her age but since I was unable to find one, I say delete her birthday and mark it down as "unknown" until someone can find something. -  Deep   Shadow  22:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia tries to assert vertifiability for all its information, however IMDB doesn't put itself through the self examination that happen within Wikipedia and this topic is a good example. So this takes User:Spman's initial argument to 1 non verifiable site (IMDB) to Wikipedia and it mirrors sites which have to be ignored and a plethora of fan sites and blogs. Someone wrote in this talk page that some women in the limelight assuage their age to appear younger and change their target audience etc. Wikipedia is not in the investigation business and has to show information that again comes from official sources and until America today does an exposé refuting this we'd have to go with information that is officially released. Now User:Deep Shadow has said that after months of looking he cannot find a verifiable source, so I would say as with both User:Spman& User:Deep Shadow, that unless her official fan or another offically associated site to WWE gives a date, then remove the date and her age completely from the article. Khukri 08:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then if no one disagrees, I will remove her date of birth later on today.Spman 19:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I came across this article in a vandalism report to WP:AIV, I've reverted the date of birth to 1973 as there is far more evidence for  1973 as opposed to 1966, and until verifiable links that can match or better those listing 1973 can be produced, the article will stay as is. It seems to me the one cited link to IMDB is possibly incorrect. If this continues, I will revert, protect and block, any questions please don't hesitate to give me a shout. Regards Khukri 11:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But does information in Wikipedia no have to be Verifiable? From your Google search, I see Wikipedia, three mirrors of Wikipedia, one fan site, and a few other junk pages that all appear to be getting the 1973 date from here. At least IMDB, which is a reputable source that is used throughout Wikipedia is a verifiable source for the 1966 date. If we are unable to come to a consensus in regards to this, I feel the best course of action is to just leave out her date of birth altogether.Spman 22:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDb is not a reliable source for any information. I have tried my best for months to find a reliable source for her age but since I was unable to find one, I say delete her birthday and mark it down as "unknown" until someone can find something. -  Deep   Shadow  22:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia tries to assert vertifiability for all its information, however IMDB doesn't put itself through the self examination that happen within Wikipedia and this topic is a good example. So this takes User:Spman's initial argument to 1 non verifiable site (IMDB) to Wikipedia and it mirrors sites which have to be ignored and a plethora of fan sites and blogs. Someone wrote in this talk page that some women in the limelight assuage their age to appear younger and change their target audience etc. Wikipedia is not in the investigation business and has to show information that again comes from official sources and until America today does an exposé refuting this we'd have to go with information that is officially released. Now User:Deep Shadow has said that after months of looking he cannot find a verifiable source, so I would say as with both User:Spman& User:Deep Shadow, that unless her official fan or another offically associated site to WWE gives a date, then remove the date and her age completely from the article. Khukri 08:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then if no one disagrees, I will remove her date of birth later on today.Spman 19:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of birth

message: Anyone know a release date for her new album?Sephiroth storm 04:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album? 

message: How and when did this article's lead paragraph and general structure get re-arranged to suggest that Garcia is known primarily as a singer? Wishful thinking by a lazy publicist?--Son of Somebody 10:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Singing Career"

message: Source: Nielson Soundscan
WWE ring announcer released her debut solo album last week titled "Quiero Vivir!". Despite making many live appearances and having the WWE promotional machine behind her, the album's first week sales were disastrous.
Nielson Media Research, the company responsible for measuring and reporting television viewership ratings, has a subsidiary company called "Soundscan" that tracks the sales of music albums.
Soundscan reports that Lilian Garcia's new CD didn't even break the Top 200, selling less than 3,800 units. The number 200 on this week's list sold 3,897. 
http://www.24wrestling.com/index.php?id=news/11547
http://rajah.com/base/node/9659  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.239.220 (talk) 17:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Album BOMBS Bigtime - Disastrous sales

message: Some people, most probably moron diehard fans, keep on putting this page in protection mode so nobody apart from them can edit it. This is totally unjustified and this type of behaviour has no place here. It has already been over a month in protection!! This is not right! Protection should only be for small periods of time when someone is spaming or vandalising the page, not indefinitely!!! Take this page off protection mode immediately otherwise it will be reported. - ST, 21:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's only protected against unregistered users and accounts less than four days old. Anyone with an account more than four days old can edit this article, that's hardly "only them." Gavyn Sykes (talk) 04:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop putting this page in "Protection"!!

message: I found out that her birth date is August 19th 1973. http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/profiles/l/lilian-garcia.html Lee.
Why can't I put her birth date on the page?  Her official website says its August 19, 1973 so I thought it should be on here.
:Please refer to prior discussions. We were unable to come to a conclusion as to whether the correct date of her birth was 1966 or 1973, as both dates are mentioned in different sources. Until we can find one reputable source that definitively states her date of birth, it should not be added. Spman (talk) 17:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  the only way her birth date can be confirm is have her birth certificate be the proof. she really need to have her birthdate mentioned on her profile on wwe.com.--Boutitbenza 69 9 (talk) 01:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Trust me, some of the editors here just make wrestling fans look bad. For instance, someone had indisputable video evidence of who won a pinfall at a PPV but because of policy wonkery they kept reverting the edit because it was on youtube and kept the original wrongly informed match outcome. It's pathetic.SChaos1701 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 23:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Now for the "Madrid, Spain" birthplace nonsense. She was born in Florence, SC--Son of Somebody (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth Date

message: The correct title of the article is "Lilian García", with ´ above i, just the same in the bold phrase of the outset, which is correct though.--83.41.255.105 (talk) 12:53, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  TITLE 

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