Talk:R62 (New York City Subway car)

message: The history section needs to be fixed because the formatting isn't working right.REwhite 21:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup tag 

message: What IS a reliable source, because when the block is off, I have to revert the (6) edit (cause i know it's wrong), and I know I'm gonna have to provide some kind of "reliable source".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.156.117 (talk) 00:12, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is OK, you don't need to revert it. Stop vandalizing wikipedia. Vcohen (talk) 14:06, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

text: What are you trying to prove? Your source says, "The R62A’s, manufactured by Bombardier to a similar design in 1984-87, operate on the 1, 7, and 42 St shuttle." Not on the 6. Vcohen (talk) 08:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

text: So, we have three sources: thejoekorner (currently used in the article), your links to youtube and the email you've quoted here. Each of them contradicts the other two. The email seems to have omitted one set of cars. I prefer to leave the article as is, with its traditional source. If indeed there is an error, some day Joe will fix it, and then we will be able to update the article. Vcohen (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Stop it, or you will be blocked. I don't have time to undo your edits more and more. Vcohen (talk) 05:45, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

text: These are the official car assignments from the MTA as Mr. Korner is a former employee who continues to keep in touch with the agency to this day. The YouTubers are railfans who have no affiliation with the MTA, shoot transit videos for fun, and get lots of conflicting and misleading information. If the datasheet is wrong, then it is not our fault, it is the MTA and Mr. Korner's, but before we can change our information, they have to change theirs. Also, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so we can't assume that because the 6's R142As are being converted to R188s on the 7, the 7's R62As will return to the 6. It is possible that they may be sent to the 4 instead because Pelham riders say they want the NTTs to keep running on the 6, or maybe the 5 to distinguish it from the 2 or 4 because riders complain about constantly jumping into the wrong train when they are in a rush, or the 2 to make 7th Avenue all R62/62As and Lexington Avenue all NTTs so that both corridors would be easier to monitor and maintain (or to convert Lexington Avenue for CBTC, which the MTA plans to do) 69.122.93.108 (talk) 14:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Look here: "self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources." Vcohen (talk) 07:28, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well? 

message: There are a series of articles about the NYC Subway train cars, this one is one of them. If a car model is still in service, its infobox has the lines parameter filled with the corresponding list of services/routes the car is used on. The source for this data is linked at the bottom of each article, it is the official MTA Car Assignment tables published on thejoekorner.com for the A Division and for the B Division.
User:24.193.156.117 (or User:ManofQueens) is trying to claim that the tables on thejoekorner.com are wrong. He changes the lines parameter again and again, without providing reliable sources, only saying "my edits are true". This talk page (two previous sections) is a good example of discussion where we tried to explain him the rules of wikipedia. Vcohen (talk) 15:04, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any past discussion where the editors agreed that Joseph Korman's web site could be relied upon for the New York Subway articles? EdJohnston (talk) 15:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know, but I have invited other people, maybe somebody will help us. Vcohen (talk) 15:40, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

text: The author if I am not mistaken is a former employee, in a position where one would know such things. It is quite reliable and mirrors the internal assignments, and is without a doubt the best resource publicly available for this information. That said, line assignments are rather fluid, and trains regularly appear on lines which are not shown on car assignments, especially those which are based out of the same shops. Considering that, if someone edits the R160 page to show that they run on the R, it should not be considered vandalism. Such is not a rare occurrence, but it is not the actual assignment. I suggest being very polite and explain that it is policy to show only the official assignments here, despite common actual deviations from them.74.64.111.51 (talk) 22:35, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is disagreement on whether thejoekorner.com can be used as a source for subway car information, consider asking for advice at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if joekorner.com is a personal site, the webmaster works for the MTA. He is a reliable source. If someone wants to delete this source, they must also delete all the other links on other rolling stock pages as well. Epic Genius 23:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

text: You copied some text not related to our discussion. Vcohen (talk) 18:51, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

text: What does it mean shut down? Don't guess so. The Don Mangus article is not about NYC Subway cars. Vcohen (talk) 08:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

text: You're a seventh grader. What do you know about subway cars at that age? Epic Genius 23:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

text: I already tried to explain it to you, let me do it once more. If a train runs on a certain route, it may be temporary replacement. Vcohen (talk) 08:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

text: What I said is to change the template. However, now, when the infobox has changed to say 'Services assigned' instead of 'Lines served', your edits will be wrong (because all these examples from youtube may be relevant for lines served, but they are definitely not for services assigned). Vcohen (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

text: This is the template: :Template:NYCS const. However, don't forget that the infobox now says 'Services assigned', so you have to provide a source (other than thejoekorner.com) for your edits regarding assigned services (not photographed trains). I think I have already said you that. Vcohen (talk) 07:54, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  In brief about the current edit warring 

message: I edited the  template for the services line in the info box, but when I came back to the article it read the same thing. Get back to me with support on this issue. Thank you. 72.226.15.68 (talk) 23:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because you don't see R62s on the 1 doesn't mean they don't exist. I just saw a R62 (1) train recently. epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  (1) 

message: Have we ever considered the possibility that maybe we need to use a new source for the car assignments? After looking at it, it looks like a dilapidated forum with not much proof of it being official. This is in regards to not just this particular article, but all NYCT car-type articles as well. 
69.12.17.214 (talk) 06:39, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current source used for assignments 

message: Would like to update the image link to the non-bucket style seating note in Description section as the old Photobucket link is out-of-date/does not contain an image. (proposed new url: https://www.flickr.com/photos/47904859@N08/49801629928). Also want to add the note that only ~2% of NYC 3 trains have the non-bucket style seating. Andrewbowen19 (talk) 21:13, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: That image is copyrighted, and the current image shows the bench seats. There also has to be sourcing for the non-bucket style seating factiod. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 October 2021 

message: When you have a chance, could you add a parameter in Template:NYCS const for number of cars in service? The number of cars in revenue service in rush hour is part of the car assignments, and it is a pain trying to edit every single article for rolling stock. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:31, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @Kew Gardens 613, I've done that. I've also updated all the rolling stock pages now with the new parameter. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:25, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks so much!--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:38, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of cars in service