Talk:Tajik alphabet

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* "Игор Иванов, раиси шурои амнияти миллии Русия дар Техрон бо Алии Лоричони музокиркунандаи аслии хастаии Эрон, дар бораи барномаи хастаии бахсбарангези ин кишвар дидор ва гуфтугу кардааст"
* "ايگور ايوانف، رييس شورای امنيت ملی روسيه، در تهران با علی لاريجانی، مذاکره کننده اصلی هسته ای ايران، درباره برنامه هسته ای بحث انگيز اين کشور ديدار و گفتگو کرده است."
Although it looks like the BBC isn't using the special characters in the alphabet, "хастаии" should almost certainly be "ҳастаии". - FrancisTyers 20:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Aligned samples

message: Would be good to dig up the following:
* Lazard, Gilbert (1970) "Persian and Tajik." In Current Trends in Linguistics, 6, edited by Thomas A. Sebeok. The Hague, Netherlands, and Paris: Mouton, 64–96.
* Lazard, Gilbert (1975) "The Rise of the New Persian Language." In The Cambridge History of Iran. Vol. 4, edited by R. N. Frye. Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press, 595–633.
* Shorish, M. Mobin (1984). "Planning by Decree: The Soviet Language Policy in Central Asia." Language Problems and Language Planning 8.35-49.
* Weryho, Jan W. "Modern Tajiki Persian: Gharbzadagi of a Different Kind". Nationalities Papers. Vol. 11, No. 1. Spring 1983 
- FrancisTyers 14:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I would welcome different images, the current ones appear to clash somewhat (at least it so appears to me). - FrancisTyers 13:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I'm not sure if the infobox ( really belongs here, especially in its incomplete form. - FrancisTyers · 21:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking much better now... - FrancisTyers · 13:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: I'm a little confused about the representation of  in the Latin alphabet. Assuming the name of the language is pronounced , the lead suggests this is spelled toǧikī. But the section on the Latin alphabet indicates that ç is used for  and makes no mention of a letter ǧ at all. Furthermore, if the Latin alphabet is supposed to be parallel to the Turkic languages, the values of c and ç are reversed: in Turkish, c is  and ç is . Are they really reversed in Tajik, or is this just a mistake in the article? User:Angr 15:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In all the references I can find (that is Tajik Persian Reference Grammar), c is  and ç is , you're right though, the Azeri alphabet is also reversed. Also note, if you look at the image, Tajikistan is spelt toçikston. The lead needs to be fixed, I'll do that. - FrancisTyers · 16:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the Azeri alphabet was reversed from 1929-39. Since 1992, they switched them and now use c and ç with the same values as Turkish. User:Angr 16:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, that may explain it. The Latin alphabet is no longer in use today, indeed hasn't been in use since the adoption of Cyrillic. Nowadays only the Cyrillic and Arabic are in use. - FrancisTyers · 16:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? That definitely needs to be made clearer in the article. User:Angr 16:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. - FrancisTyers · 16:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the Latin alphabet 

message: There are six main GA criteria, all of which I think this article passes:
# Well-written: Easy and quick read, despite all the information therein. Clear pass.
# Accurate and verifiable - I'm presuming so. Certainly it's heavily referenced, which makes it verifiable.
# Broad in coverage: Check. One thing, however: A bit more history of Tajikistan would be useful to put things in context, but doesn't seem that necessary.
# NPOV: Check
# Stable: Check
# Images (if relevant): Check. And worthy of praise for their variety and clever selection. 
Congratulations!
Adam Cuerden talk 15:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks :) - Francis Tyers · 18:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: The Writings Systems of the World give [o] for the value of ӯ not [ø], also they have the uvular fricatives not velar fricatives.  One final difference is the value of ӣ as [i], not [ij] azalea_pomp
:Hmm, I will check this again this weekend. I have the following publications: Tajik Persian Reference Grammar, Short Sketch of Tajik Grammar and Comrie, B. The World's Major Languages (which discusses Tajik vowel system in the section on Persian). - Francis Tyers · 09:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The ӯ vowel

message: I wrote a thing to do that here. I won't add a link to the main article as it is conflict of interest. - Francis Tyers · 12:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Browse Tajik sites in Latin orthography

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http://books.google.com/books?id=sgW_HEcULMYC&pg=PA219&dq=tajikistan+alphabet+struggle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9_6nUJOlO5KQ0QGV_4D4Cw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=tajikistan%20alphabet%20struggle&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=qkKOpAYG7zMC&pg=PA274&dq=tajikistan+alphabet+struggle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9_6nUJOlO5KQ0QGV_4D4Cw&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=tajikistan%20alphabet%20struggle&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=BrM_Ms9OVsEC&pg=PA33&dq=central+asia+alphabet+struggle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jwCoULaNN42M0QHWtYGwDA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=central%20asia%20alphabet%20struggle&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=weYQMv2RqCgC&pg=PA186&dq=tajikistan+alphabet+struggle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9_6nUJOlO5KQ0QGV_4D4Cw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=tajikistan%20alphabet%20struggle&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=c5kXyj82xfQC&pg=PA76&dq=tajikistan+alphabet+struggle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9_6nUJOlO5KQ0QGV_4D4Cw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=tajikistan%20alphabet%20struggle&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=j894miuOqc4C&pg=PA656&dq=tajikistan+alphabet+struggle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9_6nUJOlO5KQ0QGV_4D4Cw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=tajikistan%20alphabet%20struggle&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=arF2f10EQYUC&pg=PA125&dq=tajikistan+alphabet+struggle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9_6nUJOlO5KQ0QGV_4D4Cw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=tajikistan%20alphabet%20struggle&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=9KgjQQgMC-cC&pg=PA132&dq=central+asia+alphabet+struggle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swGoUPyMEOTD0QHynICADg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q=central%20asia%20alphabet%20struggle&f=false
Jerezembel (talk) 21:31, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics and alphabet reform in tajikistan 

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History of alphabet reform and language regulation in tajikistan:
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/tajikistan-05-dictionaries-and-encyclopedias
Rajmaan (talk) 05:53, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iran, turkey, and russian alphabet competition 

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thread_title:  Braille 

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message: Could something more be said about ӣ? The article on the letter itself says that it's used to represent /i/ at the end of a word. This article implies (but doesn't state directly) that it's used to represent stressed /i/. Which is true, or is /i/ always stressed at the end of a word, and only there? Either way, why was it deemed necessary? Other vowels don't have special letters for the end of a word or when stressed, so why does /i/ need a separate letter?
:I have been reading up on these things lately because I'm somewhat interested in learning Persian, but I haven't done so yet and might never do, so this is more or less guesswork and deduction. Anyway …
:As far as I understand it, stress falls more or less regularly on the final syllable of most words. Therefore, in words ending in /i/ (of which there are a lot!), the /i/ will normally be stressed. In the orthography used in Tajikistan, /i/ is regularly expressed by 'и'. However, the likewise very, very frequent ezafe, an unstressed /i/-sound, is written as a letter 'и' attached to the end of the word. As a consequence, words (understood here loosely as uninterrupted groups of letters between spaces or punctuation) can end in both stressed and unstressed /i/, both very frequent. Under these circumstances, it seems rather useful to have some light-weight orthographic convention to differentiate. Hence the 'ӣ' for stressed /i/, leaving plain 'и' for unstressed ezafe /i/. This seems to be a rather clever solution: For the writer, adding a little macron here and there is a very small burden, especially as it requires absolutely no analysis of the underlying grammatical construction ('add macron, if stressed; don't, if not'). And the reader benefits because it is immediately clear how to pronounce the word, without any need of context look-ahead or grammatical analysis.
:Such a convention isn't required for any other vowel because the ezafe is always /i/ and no other vowel. 31.16.104.116 (talk) 11:58, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why ӣ? 

message: The letter ʙ that was given in the table before  is not CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER VE (U+0432, в); it is LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL B (U+0299). It appears that the latter is (sometimes?) used in Tajik Latin alphabet in place of b. See the photograph of a newspaper written in the Tajik Latin alphabet on the right (also shown in the article), where ʙoraji mukofotonidan ʙaroji appears near the top left. — Eru·tuon 22:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  ʙ as lowercase of Latin-script B