Talk:Aqua Teen Hunger Force/Archive 2

message: Too much of this article still reads awkward.  I've made several changes to the opening few paragraphs, but more can and should be done.  --204.52.215.8 22:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: oops, i forgot to log in.  I'm the guy who made the changes.  --murrayjames 22:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes

message: Shake is described as a pistachio flavored milkshake.  Is there any basis to this?  If the only rationale is the color of his shake when it comes out of the straw, it could easily be another flavor like mint or something.  If no one has evidence to support this line I am going to remove it.
--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 22:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is mentioned in the commentary for Baffler Meal that his flavour was most likely that of lime by the creators, as they cited the chocolate as being regarded too closely reminiscent of fecal matter by some of the people who viewed it. 75.2.15.162 06:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shake's Flavor 

message: I think in the Moonajuana episode, Carl mentions something about working in the styrofoam peanut manufacturing plant.  Somebody want to confirm or deny that?
Carl says that he worked in a styrofoam peanut factory. A co-     worker there converted a toilet into a bong and Carl says: 'that bathroom was so awesome in high school.' So one would have to assume that he no longer works there anymore.  Also, Carl has stated in a previous episode that he works out of the house.  Whether he truly has a job of any sort is debatable. ChairmanSac 22:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carl's occupation 

message: I am not well versed enough in wikipedia to do so myself, but seperate articles for Shake, Frylock, Meatwad, and Carl should be created.
Another article should be created with all the ATHF villains and other various supporting characters.  OR  seperate articles for the recurring villains/characters (Mooninites, Plutonians, Dr. Weird and Steve, MC PeePants) 
- Illuminator of the Truth 16:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand the bits that try to devise 'connections' between the episodes either.  There are none.  It's Aqua Teen Hunger Force.  Sometimes Meatwad is dumb, sometimes he's smart.  Sometimes Shake is nice, sometimes he's mean.  Sometimes Frylock kills everyone.  IT MAKES ALMOST NO ACTUAL SENSE, PEOPLE MGlosenger 22:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The point I was trying to make above is that a good share of the "present material" doesn't, in my opinion, belong in the character sections at all. Once the articles are split away, it will probably be harder to do this cleanup because the material will be in multiple locations. I'm not saying the split shouldn't happen, but that a cleanup and reorganization is badly needed before the split. That would make the newly split articles shorter and more concise. I speak from experience saying that pulling material from split articles into a (different) single article is difficult and time consuming. Skybunny 20:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate Character Articles 

message: If you want to ensure that your edits stay in the article, it would be best if you put the information somewhere under an existing section, or made a new more specific section if it wouldn't fit anywhere.
By definition, trivia is unimportant, and Wikipedia is supposed to be a storehouse of important information.  By calling your section 'Trivia' you are saying it's useless.  Trivia sections are also inevitably just a big unsorted list of miscellaneous stuff.. again, non-encyclopedic.
MGlosenger 12:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section may get yanked 

message: I created the first article for an Aqua Teen Hunger Force episode, Rabbot. Feel free to expand the article; it could use the TLC. All the information that's there already was just pulled from existing articles (copied the "Goofs & Facts" from the main article and the description from the Episode List). --ZJH 12:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First episode page 

message: I've made an attempt to compact the 'Carl' section as a potential example for doing some of the others. I tried to use Wikipedia policy to guide me in doing this; please understand that I wasn't removing information with no rhyme or reason in mind.
* If something in the article reads as speculation and can't be cited, it is speculation, and shouldn't be in the article according to Wikipedia standards.  Examples: Carl also has an unseen friend named Terry (apparently a mutual friend of Dr. Weird's). Carl's hair in the flashback looks similar to the wig he bought from the clown society. Please see Wikipedia: Verifiability, and Wikipedia: No original research. Even if 'many' agree on a speculation, it is still a speculation.  More examples: However, in later episodes, Carl seems to have toned down his hostility towards the Aqua Teens and appears to be on better terms with them but still gets annoyed easily.  While seemingly a goof, some could see it as (given the non-sensical and inane nature of the Ghost of Christmas Past's stories) a factual error...  These examples read as 'What somebody thinks', rather than 'a fact' that can be cited.
* While this is a personal opinion, I don't believe citing every example of something that has ever happened in the series makes a given article better. Wikipedia: fancruft has the following to say about this: It is of course possible to write in great detail on fiction in a way that is factually accurate, espouses the neutral point of view and is not original research, but historically, encyclopedias do this only in the context of representing critical points of view (e.g. when engaged in literary criticism). There were about eight different methods that Carl's house was described as destroyed in this article. It is my belief that two well described examples would be sufficient to make the point. Might it be a better strategy to talk about each case within the episode articles' plot summaries?
To summarize: I made my best attempt to trim the 'Carl' section based on these policies. Much of the 'complication' I saw in Carl's section seemed to be placed there by well meaning edits attempting to provide (ultimately uncitable) detail and speculation about said fictional character. User:Skybunny 23:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt to compact the 'Carl' section 

message: According to a press release that was posted at Aqua Teen Central at , the official name of the movie is now "The Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie Film for Theaters." KSweeley 10:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title of Movie

message: You really can't be serious. This is just a small misunderstanding. This will be forgotten in less than a week. Why does this need a seperate Wikipedia article? I'm sad to say that the AFD for this article is probably going to last longer than the story itself. In fact, I'm officially requesting that article be merged into Aqua_Teen_Hunger_Force#Boston_Magnetic_Light_Scare. Gdo01 03:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a small misunderstanding, at least not according to the city officials in Boston, MA.  A man has been arrested.  Traffic in a major US city was paralyzed.  Millions of dollars were spent on the response.  It involves a giant corporation.  It speaks to salient issues of contemporary advertising, terrorism, and culture of fear in a post-9.11 world.  Plus (unfortunately), it's probably the most significant thing to happen to this show in its history.  I vote against the merge. --murrayjames 07:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe an early estimate was $500,000 spent on responding and temporarily closing down 2 bridges and an Interstate. Hardly traffic all across the city paralyzed. I agree that it's the biggest ATHF incident ever but it's a show that is relatively unknown anyway. Which is why the characters were mostly unrecognized by citizens. And I'm a fan! STFmaryville 07:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you ever been to boston?  Believe me, the way that city is layed out, shutting down two bridges and an interstate for even a short time immediately causes a backup into the city from exit ramps, and since the city roads barely ever run parallel in grid formation like most cities, it spreads like a contagion.  Say you pour some grease down your sink drain.  If it clogs in the right place, and you flush your toilet, your bathtub is going to fill with icky-water.  Not that this is extremely related to the notability (I have my answer below for that) but I do believe simply to answer that, shutting down one single bridge abruptly can cause backups throughout that entire city due to its inefficient road layout.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 07:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I can see that too....most of the information is exactly the same....the image, links and all.  Strong merge. - SVRTVDude 04:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment.  Just because the information is the same doesn't mean there should be a merge.  You could have a separate article (a daughter article) and have a very short summary here.  Ufwuct 15:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  Since the Boston police is looking into holding Turner Broadcasting responsible somehow, and that there has been an arrest under a relatively new and untested (?) Boston law, this probably will be remembered for longer than a week. And this did receive a great deal of continuous coverage on the cable news channels, so it's a pretty notable event that could have long(er)-term ramifications. That said, though, I defer to the Wikipedia editors who handle the ATHF article regularly to do what they see fit. :-) (Disclosure, I was the one who created the page in the first place.) Purifiedwater 04:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well WP:CRYSTAL says we shouldn't predict that it will become more notable. I'm not suggesting any info be deleted just that so far this topic does not deserve a separate article. If the incident escalates into something more newsworthy, then we can create a separate article. Gdo01 04:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I do think this incident will have "longer legs" in the media than some people think, especially when it's read in the New York Times today, etc., but definite MERGE for all the reasons stated. STFmaryville 07:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I support a merge. While this story involves the police and two arrests, it's still a viral marketing compaign gone wrong. There's similaries between this and the ridicule Sony went through with their botched viral marketing campaign for the Playstation Portable. A simple, well sourced blurb in the main article would suffice. - Throw 09:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I do not support a merge, you don't understand the gravity of the situation and how Boston imploded. There are going to be major lawsuits as a result of this, and the ATHF article is hardly the right place for this. A more centeralized, seperate article is proper. Yanksox 12:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was definitely national news on 1/31, and the governor's intervention lends a special significance to the event. Still, it's a little premature to be making predictions of lawsuits or incarceration. I think that a wait and see approach is best, but the current implementation has several flaws. First, the 2007 Boston magnetic light scare is not a good title for the event and it is not accurate (Aqua Teen Hunger Force promotional device bomb scare, or 2007 Boston bomb scare, or something without the term "magnetic light") Second, there should be a succinct summary of the event on this page, posting the full coverage on two pages is not efficient. ¯¯anetode-- 12:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup I agree with this, it should be seperate and the current title is inaccurate, LEDs are not magnetic. Mike wiki 17:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Now that would seem like a worthy candidate for a merger (into 2007 Boston magnetic light scare, that is). Ufwuct 21:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate Article?

message: There's basically no mention of the Mooninites anywhere on the page, except in passing. Searching for Mooninite redirects back to this page. Does anyone else think that they deserve at least their own subsection describing them in more detail? The Plutonions get more detail than the Mooninites, but on the show the Mooninites definitely have greater prominence.Gabefarkas 21:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the redirect to Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday#Members. That page does have info on the Mooninites. Gdo01 21:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mooninites

message: Now that there will be no merge, the section about the bomb scare needs to be considerably shortened, and no further news updates should be added to it at this point. D4S 16:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree 110%. There's no point in having half the article be about something that has it's own article. ZJH 04:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shorten the Boston Section 

message: This must be a fictitious name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.17.26.4 (talk) 19:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pat McGroin 

message: What's a "chicken glove"? Demian12358 23:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: About three fiddy (ba-dum-bump).  76.18.92.82 06:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicken Gloves 

message: The section name here should include the word advertising in the title to make clear who/what the source of the scare was, i.e. the inciting objects were not made by fans, or by the show itself, so it seems like that bit of extra specificity is important. I changed it to "Boston advertising bomb scare" but I admit it's a little strange sounding, it almost seems like there was a scare regarding an advertising bomb which is of course not the intended meaning. Mike wiki 22:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name for bomb scare section 

message: I shte hosw cancelled because of the boston bomb scare or what? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.89.43.27 (talk) 02:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm assuming you ask "is the show cancelled?"  Of course not.  First, Neither Turner, CN, nor AS has said any such thing.  Second, if anything this helped the show and will increase revenue on the movie. --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 04:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, it hasn't helped the show either.  For all the hoopla, it had virtually no impact on ratings at all. aww 16:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancelled  

message: does anyone remember around 3 years ago adult swim had commericals saying that aqua teen was cancelled? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.85.95.162 (talk) 06:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, they were driving down the road and they spontaneously combusted. Or at least in one of them; I think there was more than one commercial that they played at the time. I think one had Meatwad dancing around and he lit on fire while Frylock and Shake just stared. :: ZJH (T C E) 23:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancelled?