Talk:BMP-3

message: I dunno if anyone has heard this but during the war in Chechnya the Russian troops did not normaly ride inside the BMP-3s because they where very vulnerable. --Theredstarswl 03:55, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death trap? 

message: :  9M133 Kornet (AT-10 Stabber)
I think these are two different missiles.  Which is fired by the BMP-3?—Michael Z. 2006-09-10 14:37 Z
:Good spot - it's the AT-10 that it fires (through the barrel). Megapixie 14:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which missile? 

message: "The AT-10 is capable of penetrating the armour of all MBTs currently deployed."
This is a 10cm missile....i wonder why the Russians make 15cm missiles, if the AT-10 can kill "all". If it would be a top-attack ATGM, then the article might be even right.
:Tank armor depends on angle. M1 is designed for brief head-to-head tank battles, and has very good frontal and turret armor, which stops even 125-mm HEAT rounds and can only be penetrated by AT-13 and higher. However, the side and back armor can be pierced by a simple RPG. Some other countries have different design principles, for instance T-80 is focused on high intensity combat, so focuses on high rate of fire and all-round protection. AT-10 can destroy any tank with a side, back or top hit, or weaker tanks at any angle. More sophisticated and power systems aim for weapon parity when confronting tanks head-to-head. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 21:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It heavily depends on the point and angle, and on the desired result - total destruction, mobility kill, blinding. The front armor is usually very good. Sides are partially protected. The top of the rear is almost unprotected. Everything outside armor can be disrupted even by 20mm autocannon or RPG. So different weapons are still in use. A number of ATGMs and RPGs have tandem charges, which include one exploding the reactive armor and the other piercing the main. The story with Merkavas was an example. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 08:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not like all of this doesn't help - but the ATGMs and RPGs are also progressing, and the armor is always harder to improve than the weapon. The full amount of armor can only be placed in the frontal arc. The tracks in partucular are unarmored (the skirts don't protect from anti-tank weapons), air intakes have problems, and the upper side is weak. Practically all tanks have a similar armoring scheme (reactive-composite). The RPGs have mostly been repelled except for mobility kills, blinding and above/side shots, but heavier ATGMs count for a good percentage of tank kills nowadays, including against the best armored tanks. Except for frontal arc, even a RPG can be effective - as we already have in the Chobham armour article, "one M1 was hit on the side skirts, below the turret ring by PG-7VR, a tandem charge RPG, in the Iraq War. The jet penetrated the skirting armour and side hull armour, then traversed across the tank's interior and finally penetrated 1.5 to 2 inches into the hull armour on the other side." ATGMs are generally more powerful and can hit better spots. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 21:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: To end this discussion... Khrizantema can engage MBT at 6 km, while Kornet - at 5 km, which means that BMP can destroy MBTs succesfully at long ranges, since it will be out of their range. Abrmas and otehr MBTs which can not fire missiles in long range engagement will be at disadvantage. Systems like Trophy and Arena could intercept ATGm, but it greatly depends on ATGM speed, and since we do not know the speed of both khrizantema or kornet, it is hard to say.  74.98.216.68 17:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AT-10 vs. MBTs 

message: Someone posted a blockquote from what appears to be a book by this author, and I was just wondering if anyone who has access to the book could post its ISBN? --Edward Sandstig 18:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain Vyacheslav Mironov's memoirs 

message: Can it use explosive reactive armour or is it too weak?Agre22 (talk) 15:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Explosive Reactive armour

message: I would have expected it to carry at least a few.  HEAT is too useful for an AFV with a 100mm crew-served gun to carry 40 rounds of ammunition and have a loadout of HE only.  Even if it is not as accurate at 2+km as Western systems, even if the 100mm HEAT is less effective than Western 105mm/120mm kinetic penetrators, still it could be extremely effective against other light AFVs.  A 100mm HEAT round with a fragmentation sleeve of notched wire coils would be both inexpensive and highly efficient against both light AFVs and troops in the open.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.40.21 (talk) 11:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: No HEAT round for 100mm gun?

message: "The BMP-3 can pass 600 km. Ultimate height of operation 3,000 m." - I assume the former figure is its road range. I understand that diesel engines lose power at higher altitudes, but just under 10,000 feet seems low for an absolute ceiling, especially given that the vehicle is used by Venezuela. Is this the case? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 17:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ceiling 

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message: Hi,
I just did check the BMP-Series, and I found that the BMP-2 was produced from 1980 until "present", and the BMP-3 from 1987 until "present". Means it is a direct competitor?! The BMP-2 is more an option for poor countries or 2nd Hand ones while the BMP-3 is more expensive (larger, stronger engine, again a real gun and not "only" the 30mm Machine Cannon from the BMP-2 and only each 1 x 7.62mm Machine Guns, while the BMP-3 got 3 such guns, more horsepower, better armor.... but still it is no real anti-tank fighter against European, US or South Korean/Japanese Tanks... 
The BMP-1 and BMP-2 had only some things changed (for example both had a 225 kW Diesel engine, same armor of max 33mmm rolled steel), BMP-2 had a 1.100 kg (1.1 tonnes) higher weight, but I think more efficient Diesel engine made up most of this extra weight. Just the experience that extra heavy guns (73mm) guns in BMP-1 were replaced by 30mm Auto Machine Gun as main weapon, both supported by a single 7.62 mm Soviet Caliber MG.
The BMP-3 on the other side is very different to BMP-1 and 2... not only the weight is increased a bit more stronger to 18.7 tonnes (from 13.2 tonnes in BMP-1) and the engine is a 375 kW (500 horsepower) Diesel engine this time. The main weapon is a 100 mm gun (back to the BMP-1 roots, high enough caliber to destroy even stronger armored targets, but very large ammu and therefore limited number of shells inside the BMP, which results in a 40 HE-Granades and 8 AT-10-Anti-Tank-Missiles is the Russian Army standard, supported by 3 x 7.62 mm Soviet Caliber support machine guns, so many possible works for the 3-men crew, the 3 MG's are I think because of their position, not easy movable but so the gunner can switch the firing sides easy without moving any weapon or so.... 
Greetings Kilon22 (talk) 15:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do not kill me if it is already mentioned ... BMP-2 vs BMP-3... ? 

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message: I can't believe that actual humans can operate the clutch on this thing.  Russian tankers must look like that crab with that big claw.
Just kidding.   But man!!  That clutch!.   Lol.   Good on you if you can operate this!!  139.138.6.121 (talk) 06:02, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  That Clutch Pedal!!! Holy Mother of Mary!! 

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message: The use of blogs and Self Published sources is restricted for inclusion unless there is a concenssus on the matter. I see only one user reverting the edits made by two other editors, (three including me) in the number of units lost during the current 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. I don't need a source for my edits because. 1) Concenssus is needed for inclusion. 2) The source is a Self Published Source 3) It's a extraordinary claim made by a single person that run a blog. If the user want to consider the Oryxblog first he need to reach concenssus with the other editors involved, if not it changes wont be considered.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: ,.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, for the user making the reverts(before your name change from Conservative Cheese Ball to Basesaurus), this is not the first time you did edit warring. On 17 April at the BMD-4 article, you were warned that further use of SPS will end in a block. Drmies warned you.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly,I havent edit warred in this instance, Secondly I was not warned about Using any SPS,I was warned not to Edit War which I have not in this instance so its irrelevant for you to bring this up. May I ask that you re-read the original comment made by Drmies. Basedosaurus (talk) 17:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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