Talk:Executive Order 9066

message: Shouldn't source text belong somewhere else? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo stick 01:07 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
*Yeah, it should be on WikiSource.∼∼∼∼ Eric0928Talk 20:24, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source text

message: considering the hundreds that did diein the internment camps , did this really help out the one ore two people that would've been saved from racial attacks? or was this just to protect the government from terrorist attacks such as those witnessed recently around the world.
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replies: text: I don't know.  Can anyone find a source that answers the question one way or another? loupgarous (talk) 12:26, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  folly or assistance? 

message: It's my understanding, though I can't remember where I came across it, that John DeWitt, commanding General of the Pacific military district (cast defense and such) was the main factor in inducing Roosevelt to sign this. it is further my understanding that he lied and misrepresented, in a racist way (for personal reasons?), to make his case. If this is correct, in whole or part, it should be included here. Anyone got a citation, some source material, more info on DeWitt's actions or attitudes, Roosevelt's views on Fifth column stuff prior to the agitation for removal, ... Note that the area with the highest Japanes ancestry population (certainly in proportion if not absolute numbers) was Hawaii, and internment was very different and less strict there, with no protest from those responsible for its security. 
We've got what seems to be a large missign bit here, people. Help?! ww 13:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a reference to the Battle of Niihau, in which two Japanese-Americans and a resident Japanese alien assisted a downed Japanese pilot in his attempt to escape capture after taking part in the bombing of Pearl Harbor, with reference to how this was used by Army officials to shape the attitude of our leaders toward Japanese-Americans resident in the US. loupgarous (talk) 12:24, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  DeWitt 

message: The raceism twords these two groups, still evident today, is down-played in this article.
ummm, one of those references was a dead link and a pair of them were simply linking to different parts of the same page. not to mention that upon reading the article it talks of internment of German/Italian nationals in one and German/Italian sailors and residents of south American nations in the other. BTW the racisms directed towards German and Italian Americans tends to be “downplayed” because its not as overt, widespread or serious as that directed towards people of color.
In this page's Exclusion under Executive Order 9066, lists 120,000 Japanese Americans interned. The remaining internees included about 11,000 people of German ancestry and 3,000 people of Italian ancestry, making about 9.5% of internees of European descent, which is probably why it's "downplayed". Steelsilkfan (talk) 19:32, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pretty much anything stated as a fact needs to have a verifiable citation, so yes, it does need a citation. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 09:52, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, just asking because my source needed edits were reverted. I'll add that back in then. Jackalopeicus (talk) 11:48, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Some" Italain and German Americans? 

message: Following the link on this page to J Edgar Hoover leads to an article that says he was one of the most vocal supporters of internment.  If the statement in this article is correct, then clearly some additional detail is needed.  Did he change from opposing to supporting internment?
:I'm sorry I don't have a direct reference for you but in all my research on Hoover, he never regretted his opposition to E.O. 9066. MattFoley Motivational Speaker (talk) 04:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Matt, if you don't have a published source which SAYS "J. Edgar Hoover opposed EO 9066 and the internment of the Japanese," then you don't have enough support to say that in the article.  It still comes back to WP:NOR. loupgarous (talk) 12:19, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  J Edgar Hoover opposed internment? 

message: Some quick math will show how this remark is just plain wrong. 130,000 people were effected by this order. If you accept the premise of the above line then $2,000,000,000/130,000=$16000 per person in 1941 dollars was lost. That is $16000, for each man, woman, and child. A family of four would have lost $64,000 during a time when the United States was still feeling the effects of the "Great Depression". How is this possible? Without a citation, I suggest that this line be removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.101.93 (talk) 06:08, 30 September 2006
:It's an interesting claim whose substantiation would be historically relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.227.45 (talk) 22:34, 6 March 2007
:We need to include in the calculation the household incomes that would have been earned by the 130,000 internees during the course of the war.  If one in three internees would otherwise have been employed, earning $5000 a year, that would work out to a quarter of a billion dollars per annum.  We also need to include the values of the businesses that we effectively destroyed -- the shops, small manufacturers, and other enterprises that were owned by interned people and which they could not operate while interned.  The calculation would need to include both the lost revenues, rents and leases, the depreciation of capital equipment material (often, no doubt, accelerated by neglect if not outright theft), and the opportunity costs of losing several years of operations.  Some of the interned people owned real estate; they were deprived of the use of their property, or forced to sell it under grave duress. The difference in the value of education received by children in the camps, compared to those educated in the towns and cities, should be taken into account.  MarkBernstein 14:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And while these are grave losses and ought to be commemorated somewhere, the point would be to find an authoritative published source that does the commemmoration, and cite it in the article.  If we simply do the calculation ourselves, that's forbidden as "original research" under WP:NOR. loupgarous (talk) 12:14, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billions? 

message: shouldn't this just merge with Japanese American internment? Rds865 (talk) 23:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with that.  There's really no reason that this should be a separate entry. Inks.LWC (talk) 09:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

text: It is not the same thing, Executive Order 9066 is the formal reference to the order by FDR that provided the rationale and outline of why/how to carry out the internment of American citizens of decent of the enemy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.182.198.243 (talk) 01:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: merge

message: In an article by John Tateishi and William Yoshino (2000) published in Human Rights, it is mentioned that the JACL was responsible for pushing the government into creating the CWRIC.  Should this be included?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marunabe (talk • contribs) 21:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese-American Citizens League 

message: such as 
- a reference citation for Executive Order 9066 itself, 
- a tally of how many Japanese-Americans were interned (another editor gave those figures for the German-Americans and Italian-Americans interned, which seems to me to imply the Japanese-Americans weren't worth counting, even though they were the predominant nationality interned under EO 9066),
- a reference citation for the University of California's Japanese American Relocation Digital Archives (JARDA), which supports the 
- information on the number of Japanese Americans interned as well as short paragraphs on the conditions under which they were interned, and their fate after World War 2.
 
loupgarous (talk) 13:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added things unaccountably missing from the article 

message: The article now reads:
"On August 10, 1988, the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, based on the CWRIC recommendations, was signed into law by Ronald Reagan. On November 21, 1989, George H. W. Bush signed an appropriation bill authorizing payments to be paid out between 1990 and 1998. In 1990, surviving internees began to receive individual redress payments and a letter of apology. This bill only applied to the Japanese Americans."
In fact, the boldfaced part of the article quoted above is in error.  
Title II of this Act specifically sets up restitution to the members of the Aleut people who were relocated from their homes in the Aleutian Islands in Alaska under Executive Order 9066.  
I have changed the article to reflect that fact. loupgarous (talk) 17:16, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error regarding the applicability of the Civil Liberties Act 

message: Previously, the article lacked headings for sections prior to "Post World War Two," which had the "Contents" table two-thirds of the way down the article, once new material was added.
So I added headings for: 
:Transcript of Executive Order 9066
:Relocation under Executive Order 9066
:Relocation Camps Under Executive Order 9066.
I wonder if we ought to add material regarding the Constitutionality of Executive Order 9066... the Justice Department was almost totally excluded from any significant role in executing the order, and this probably relates to objections the Attorney-General of the United States (head of the Justice Department) had to forcible relocation of the Japanese population of the US on moral and legal grounds. 
That change I'll put off pending discussion here in the talk page, because it's pretty significant.  Nowadays, we have a similar legal crisis surrounding executive orders and what limits ought to exist on their use, bipartisan in that prominent critics of George W. Bush are also criticizing Barack H. Obama on his use or abuse of the executive order.  Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066 is a relevant case study in that discussion. loupgarous (talk) 17:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headings added - possible new section "The Justice Department Dissent on Executive Order 9066" 

message: Recent edits to remove IA/GA from the article does reinforce the idea that maybe we should add some more context from their individual pages to this article as well. People seem to think it's a means of minimising the JA internment rather than as a place to start to learn about the way that the GA/IA communities were also affected by EO9066.Paolorausch (talk) 12:23, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  More information on GA/IA Internment 

message: What does WRA stand for? Grassynoel (talk) 19:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: War Relocation Authority. I've replaced the initials with the full name as it is not defined elsewhere in the article. Thanks for pointing that out. Bahooka (talk) 20:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section "World War II camps under the order": undefined initials WRA 

message: Some leaders of the JACL agreed with internment as a means of protection if the US were to go to war with japan, during WW2 but before the bombing of pearl harbor. (I'm having trouble finding a source for this, this is FOAA stuff though and I know it's in a book, if someone could help me that would be great)
Some nikkei evacuated to other states and not all were interned in camps. During the evacuation, some japanese americans (and the JACL in part) sided against those resisting the draft out of fear that could get deported in mass, if later deemed unloyal, and that ultimately, it was to show their loyalty, according to an ex-president of the fresno JACL.
https://ddr.densho.org/interviews/ddr-densho-122-29-1/ DarmaniLink (talk) 06:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  potentially useful information 

message: Currently, it reads "On February 19, 1824, President Franklin D. Executive Order 9066 became Roosevelt's special order during World War II. They were then brought across the river to Japan, where other Americans were born and raised in the United States.
In general, Asian Americans are more likely to be incarcerated than African Americans in the same population. Executive Order 2526 of 1798 for Germany and the United States was part of the Immigration and Nationality Act."
Literally, what?209.234.74.183 (talk) 20:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Intro is broken beyond understanding 

message: Please remove the term "concentration" from the line "Roosevelt wanted to put Japanese in concentration camps in Hawaii. This is incredibly untrue and misleading . Concentration camps are far different from and worse than internment camps. The bias in this article is mind-blowing. 2600:1700:FCA:5E00:55A8:F223:46C6:EF59 (talk) 03:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term “concentration”  

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