Talk:Abraham Lincoln/Archive 7

message: It was very clear that Lincoln believed in no religion, so why talk about his religious background I say we put it back like it was Religion = none, besides the facts in the table should be quick greater details could be mentioned in the article
--Six 7 8 00:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lincoln's Religion

message: There used to be a trivia section in this article that had useful information like Lincoln's height, the fact that he was the first president with a beard and such. It's gone now because of this misguided moratorium on trivia sections. Can we get this useful information back please? I don't care if we don't call it "trivia," or whatever. -- 66.135.149.195 00:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you, it's really interesting to know how many feet Lincoln was. TheBlazikenMaster 22:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: That's not something important as how many feet Lincoln was. How many feet he was is something none or few of the other presidents have in common with Lincoln. TheBlazikenMaster 15:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, there must be a way without adding a trivia section. TheBlazikenMaster 17:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Useful Facts About Lincoln

message: Should Lincoln's "Lost Speech" be mentioned (May 29, 1856, in Bloomington, Illinois)? It "may have been the most influential oration delivered in America since the founding of the Republic," and it is considered a major event in strengthening the new Republican party and furthering Lincoln's political career.  See: http://members.aol.com/RVSNorton1/Lincoln63.html which is linked in the WP articles on Oratory and Eloquence.
If the Lost Speech is mentioned (and perhaps even if not), Wilson Tucker's time-travel novel The Lincoln Hunters could be added under "Lincoln in art and popular culture".  Its focus is the quest for the Lost Speech. 4granite 03:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lincoln's "Lost Speech" 

message: Abraham Lincoln redirects here. Was his "real" life name "Life"? WTF? — Lenoxus 00:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, I moved it back. Now to give a welsome and subtle talking-to to the person who moved it in the first place... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lenoxus (talk • contribs) 00:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, um, why is the title ''[[Abraham Lincoln Life]]''? 

message: http://www.totalbankruptcy.com/celebrity_bankruptcy.htm
Could someone clarify something for me.  As I understand it the story goes that Lincoln borrowed money to invest in a store in 1833.  The store failed, I don't know if it was formally wound up or even if there was legislation to do that. Lincoln's personal debt became due and the law got involved, a sheriff seizing his possessions.  Was this formal insolvency or was it a court judgement to seize assets from a delinquent debtor? I suppose in 1833 it could have been a criminal matter? The story that he took on his former partners debts voluntarily suggests to me it wasn't formal bankruptcy as does his legal and public career - in England it would have been difficult to practice law or take public office as a bankrupt. I'd like to get some clarification on a story which is clouded by his subsequent achivements. —The preceding Johnnybriggs 05:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lincoln's "Bankruptcy" 

message: Many readers read only the opening. It has to concisely summarize his important actions, before the war and during the war, covering military and civilian phases.  Every sentence is covered in multiple books, so we have to condense here. Rjensen 11:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  function of opening section = summarize his importance 

message: I think we should keep this page on Abe Lincoln PROTECTED —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.12.163.39 (talk) 22:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection and Unprotection 

message: Editors,
I am a presidential librarian at the Miller Center of Public Affairs (a research institution affiliated with the University of Virginia). We run a non-partisan, non-profit website on the American Presidency. We have a section on each president that includes an extensive essay on the president and shorter essays on the first lady and each cabinet member. Each essay is vetted by a prominent scholar of that particular president. We also provide quick facts, key events, and links to a growing collection of multimedia materials specific to the president. I believe that a external link to our Lincoln page would be a valuable addition to the Lincoln wiki entry. Please take a look at the following page and if you think it is appropriate, we would appreciate you adding it as an external link.
http://www.millercenter.virginia.edu/index.php/academic/americanpresident/lincoln
Should you choose to put the link on the page, we would prefer the following language:
Extensive essay on Abraham Lincoln and shorter essays on each member of his cabinet and First Lady from the Miller Center of Public Affairs
Best,
Michael Greco —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MillerCenter (talk • contribs) 16:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link 

message: For 160 years, people have been citing quotes falsely or dubiously attributed to Lincoln.
For instance, did Lincoln refer to elements of the U.S. military as "demons from hell" in his first floor speech as a congressman?
One doubts it -- that speech was a carefully constructed legal argument. Would Lincoln have carelessly or deliberately wrecked his own construction? It seems unlikely.
Such words don't appear in the standard record of Lincoln's speech of January 12, 1848.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mal:@field(DOCID+@lit(d0007400))
The "demons from hell" words, and other dubious verbage, appeared a couple of months later, in a newspaper account by a supposed ear witness who claimed that the standard record omitted all the really bad stuff that Lincoln actually said.
This account was dismissed at the time as being the work of locofocoists (extremely partisan Democrats, presumably willing to lie about Whig politicians such as Lincoln).
See the book, "Abraham Lincoln: A Press Portrait, His Life and Times from the Original Newspaper Documents of the Union, the Confederacy, and Europe" -- edited by Herbert Mitgang (New York: Fordham University Press, 2000).
Since the "demons from hell" words are of disputed authenticity, the Wikipedia page on Lincoln should either drop those words, or else should indicate that they may or may not be Lincoln's actual words.
Skeptic99 23:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article from the State of Illinois may interest folks who are wondering about the veracity of some quotes attributed to Lincoln.A mcmurray 23:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake Lincoln Quotes 

message: The leading Lincoln specialist on this period (Beveridge) believes Lincoln did say that in his speech but erased the term when he sent it to the printer. Beveridge says: "Obviously Lincoln had been unrestrained while delivering his 
speech; and, when he came to write out his remarks for the 
Congressional Globe, had left out the violent part which so incensed the newspaper correspondent."  Beveridge goes on: "The version by the newspaper correspondent resembles the language of Giddings and Corwin. The reporter's account was from memory of what he heard Lincoln say, and not from the speech as it afterward appeared in the Globe. Speeches published in the Appendix of the Cong. Globe were always written out, either before or after delivery....Often speeches as delivered differed widely from the printed version in the Globe. (Beveridge, "Lincoln" vol 1 p 430)  The Springfield Democratic newspaper (the Register) editorialized: 
:I think Lincoln will find that he had better remained quiet. He will . . . regret that he voted that' Illinois officers [naming them] 'fell while leading brave Illinoisans to ROBBERY AND DISHONOR . . . "IN AID OF A WAR OF RAPINE AND MURDER". . .; that he has thrown upon the escutcheon of Illinois the stain of having sent six thousand men to Mexico "to record their infamy and shame in the blood of poor, innocent, inoffending people, whose only crime was weakness". . .; that he has declared by his vote that the "God of Heaven has forgotten to defend the weak and innocent, and permitted the strong band of murderers and demons from hell to kill men, women, and children, and lay waste and pillage the land of the just."   Rjensen 18:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demons from Hell quote is authentic says leading biographer 

message: died in 1927. Other historians have since questioned some of his conclusions. His work was notable, but not the final word.
Skeptic99 23:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Beveridge did a good job (he's the only major biographer who served in Congress), but more to the point: no one disagrees with him. Rjensen 18:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How can you say that "no one disagrees" with Beveridge, when Lincoln himself disagrees with Beveridge? When the State Register's version of the speech is different from Lincoln's version of the speech, then neither version can fairly be claimed as undisputed. Skeptic99 Skeptic99 00:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beveridge 

message: The picture of Lincoln in your article with the caption "last picture" is dated in your caption as April 10, 1865. According to "Lincoln's Greatest Speech: The Second Inaugural" by Ronald C. White, Jr. (Simon & Schuster, 2002) "[the photo] was taken by Alexander Gardner in Washington on Sunday, February 5, 1865 ..." White goes on to say, "For many years the photograph was misdated ..." (page 129, caption of picture). The author, Professor White, is listed on the inside back jacket of his book as the dean of American Religious History at San Francisco Theological Semincary. He offers evidence for his dating in his book. I offer his view as to the dating of this picture for Wikipedia's consideration.
70.108.0.36 15:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both dates are noted on the image's own page.  We had an editor awhile back who was adament that the April date is correct, and she wore out everyone's patience on the matter.  Rklawton 15:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dating of last picture of Lincoln 

message: Just from looking at Abe's stature and body structure, it's apparent that he could very well have had Marfan's Syndrome, and historians are now beginning to suspect he did. Should the article reflect this? --Captain Wikify Argh! 20:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marfan's? 

message: In the section on the assassination, it is stated: "On stage, a character named Lord Dundreary (played by Harry Hawk) who has just been accused of ignorance in regards to the manners of good society, replies, ... "   Hawk was playing the part of Asa Trenchard, not Lord Dundreary.  Sfcjack 03:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assassination 

message: I am concerned in the article where it says Lincoln practiced law in 1837 with Stephen T. Logan I cannot find any evidence to back this up but have found multiple references to John T Stuart being his first law partner including Lincoln in his own autobiography.I have also found one reference to a William Herndon as a possible option. Can Anyone confirm who it was Lincoln practiced law with?TAA 07:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lincoln's First Law Partner?