Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive8

message: Hey, I just made this. Feel free to edit it if you guys think it needs changes.
Sportskido8 08:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: looks good to me! Just H 05:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template for your user pages 

message: I have started the ball rolling on the List of AHL seasons article. Hopefully as a project we can fill in all those red links soon enough.
I have made a stub for the 2006-07 AHL season article with the standings on it. 
I am working on a template at User:Flibirigit/AHL season template to be used to all AHL season articles. Please provide comments here on its talk page.
Your help is greatly appreciated. Flibirigit 13:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And so it begins, thus, I started at the beginning: 1936-37 AHL season. Resolute 16:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: 2004-05 AHL season article created, but there are some blanks (goalie leaders, playoff bracket, etc.) which need filled in.Skudrafan1 19:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I will be interested to see if the Edmonton Oilers will ever resurrect their dormant Edmonton Road Runners farm team franchise. Flibirigit 19:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They certantly will.  The Oilers really dropped the ball on their affiliates this past offseason as they were too busy securing their Western Hockey League team.  Having three or four players per team spread across five teams is a developmental disaster that I would think they will correct fairly soon. Resolute 17:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Hockey League seasons 

message: The 2005-06 AHL season article is complete. Anyone want to help with the first 69 seasons? Flibirigit 11:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And so it begins, thus, I started at the beginning: 1936-37 AHL season. Resolute 16:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: 2004-05 AHL season article created, but there are some blanks (goalie leaders, playoff bracket, etc.) which need filled in.Skudrafan1 19:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I will be interested to see if the Edmonton Oilers will ever resurrect their dormant Edmonton Road Runners farm team franchise. Flibirigit 19:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They certantly will.  The Oilers really dropped the ball on their affiliates this past offseason as they were too busy securing their Western Hockey League team.  Having three or four players per team spread across five teams is a developmental disaster that I would think they will correct fairly soon. Resolute 17:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First article complete

message: Me and User:HockeyHistorian have been butting heads at the International Hockey Hall of Fame page because he keeps adding a company infobox with a slogan that I did a google search for but couldn't find anywhere on the website. It is not a company, its a Hall of Fame and museum and every time I remove it, he accuses me of vandalism. I figured neither of us will back down so I might as well get some outside opinions on this. Go here for talk: User talk:HockeyHistorian. -- Scorpion0422 23:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, an indef block has a way of solving such problems, doesnt it?  Resolute 06:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because then he just makes a sockpuppet that's pissed off. An eye for an eye makes the world blind. Just H 05:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Hey, I never asked for him to be blocked. I just wanted an outside party to solve the conflict. I had no idea he was a sock puppet. -- Scorpion0422 06:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Golly Gee... caught ourselves a sock puppet.  DMighton 07:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the one that blocked him.  He has had many incarnations.  He is mostly involved in Vaughan, Ontario political topics, but does dabble in hockey related topics, usually related to the IHHOF.  Some of you may remember him as JohnnyCanuck from a number of disputes.  See Wikipedia:Long term abuse/VaughanWatch for some of the abuse history. -- JamesTeterenko 20:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I had strong suspicions that "Hockey Historian" was a sockpuppet of Johnny Canuck's (just a comparison of the edit histories at the time were informative), but even were I an admin, I expect that getting all administrative over disputes in which you're a party is a clear conflict of interest ... RGTraynor 18:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit Conflict at [[International Hockey Hall of Fame]]

message: And in the butting heads column ... we've all seen the works of the indefatigable Corey Bryant on the various NHL season articles.  Most of his edits aren't objectionable, if a bit heavy on the sportswriterese, but I peeked in on the 1966-67 NHL season article, and found heavy edits that are not only unencyclopedic (who gives a rat's ass about the likes of Matt Ravlich breaking a leg?) but word-for-word copyvios from Trail of the Stanley Cup.  It's verging on an edit war, and his recent post to my talk page ("I will use whatever source I feel is available to use as a reference! You are not to interfere! I attempt to give the reading public the best and most complete source in which to reference from. Do not interfere with my attempts to do so!") indicates how  much credit he gives to WP:COPYVIO.  I'd appreciate it if a few calmer heads took a peek and weighed in.  RGTraynor 12:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the edit war continues, if people would like to take a peek ... RGTraynor 21:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit conflict at [[1966-67 NHL season]] 

message: Someone started an article on the Super Series between the Soviet and NHL teams, but they didn't get far.  Please help, especially with 1975-76 USSR Red Army ice hockey tour of North America, which involved the famous Red Army - Canadiens match-up.  Thanks. Kevlar67 05:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Series, Soviet clubs vs. NHL 

message: I removed a lot of the users on the active list who are now either semi or non-active, seeing as how they fall away from Wikipedia they don't come back and say they are semi-active or non-active... So weeding out the sick and the dying (sorry bad joke), we have been bumped down from 42 active users to 21, one half. Although it seems we have more Super Genetically-Enhanced hockey editors on the list then we used to. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 00:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Active Users 

message: I have looked over the American Hockey League awards. They are quite a mess. 
* Some articles do list all the winners of the award. 
* One article is in the opposite chronological order (blame myself).
* More importantly, thirteen (13) articles are missing! See here!
;Sources
*AHL Hall of Fame
*hockeydb.com
I am currently doing articles for List of AHL seasons. Could any help cleanup the awards articles? THANKS ! Flibirigit 08:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AHL Awards 

message: I've officialy finished cleaning up the list of NHL coaches article, and it's looking pretty swell, 
why don't you go check it out youself?Griffin Murphy 23:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you really have to get rid of the links to the lists of individual teams' coaches? I do question if all that information is really needed, though. NeoChaosX  (he shoots, he scores!) 23:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I like it, though I agree that the each team's list belongs there.  I reinserted that into the chart you made.  The new list does help you tell at a glance how long each coach has been around.  Good job! Resolute 00:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of NHL Coaches 

message: I've added a request for a peer review for the Calgary Hitmen article in hopes of raising it to GA or FA status.  Any suggestions anyone has are appreciated here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Calgary Hitmen.  Thanks.  Resolute 00:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review for [[Calgary Hitmen]]

message: I don't know where else to put this: rounds 2 to 9 of the 2000 NHL Entry Draft are currently a barely wikified textdump. They probably need to be edited in the same way as round 1. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 11:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2000 NHL Entry Draft 

message: Could somebody please clean up Hersheypark Arena. It is a candidate for speedy deletion for being written like an advertisement. Thanks~ Flibirigit 11:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to clean it up to make it read less like a marketing campaign.  Make any changes you feel are necessary.  Patken4 21:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've worked it over again. I think it needs a photo now. Flibirigit 14:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I will work on something for this in the next week or two. (I wrote the extensive illustrated history of the Arena for the special program published for the last regular season AHL game played there on April 7, 2002, as well as created the cover illustration.) I will also add some images. Centpacrr 14:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hersheypark Arena 

message: I started a category today :Category:National Hockey League players who died during their careers, because I thought it was a fairly notable topic, and I've already compiled 17 names already into the category. I think I have gotten most of the obvious ones, and even some of the more older ones such as Joe Hall, Howie Morenz or Babe Siebert. However I was just working off the top of my head with these, so any help on this topic would be greatly appreciated. There also were others who do not have their own article such as Jonathan Delisle, B.J. Young (one gamer), Jeff Batters, Don Ashby and Scott Garland that I can't add until they have one. As well I'm kind of split whether a player such as Barry Ashbee should be included in the category, because he died of leukemia three years after he retired, however he retired young because of an eye injury and he was an assistant coach afterwards too. Also do you think it would do better as a list as opposed to a category? Any input you have on this whole topic in general would be greatly appreciated. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 17:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added John Kordic. DMighton 04:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Roman Lyashenko added. Skudrafan1 17:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  John Kordic, Lyashenko, forgot about those two, thanks guys. As well I just remembered another one, Red Garrett was an NHLer who played 23 games in the 40's, and was traded to the Rangers for Babe Pratt (his most notable moment I guess), and he was killed in WWII. He kept on playing until he enlisted and even played for the Toronto Navy in 1943-44 before being killed in November, 1944. I would think a player like that could also be considered acceptable in this category as well. Oh and Wayne Maki who was invovled with Ted Green in that ugly stick-swinging accident in 1969, died after retiring because of brain cancer in 1974 (he retired December 14/72) Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 02:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, this one had been bugging me for awhile because I couldn't remember it. Former Nordiques player Stephane Morin, added him. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 02:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Actually a more apt case than Barry Ashbee is Bryan Fogarty, he died only one year after retiring, but the category is what it is. Wow three players from that 1991-92 Nordiques team were dead within 10 years, Fogarty, Morin, and John Kordic. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 20:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: I would just like to draw the attention of this group to the article on Dave Nonis, the GM of the Canucks. As you will notice, there is a large chart there. This has begun to create a conflict between me and the user who posted it. What really irks me about it is the short summary. I feel it has a biased, non-encyclopediac feel to it, and have tried to get it removed. So, I am asking the other participants of this project for their input. If you all feel it is worthwile, I'll shut up and leave it. If not, then an alternative should be done. Just feel that there should be a consensus amongst Wikipedians. Kaiser matias 10:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've inputted my two cents and removed the table myself. The summary section alone is a violation of WP:NPOV, WP:OR and WP:NOT a sopabox; listing each and every transaction a GM has done would also fall into a collection of indiscriminate information, where WP:NOT would also apply. The table's unencyclopedic and doesn't belong here at all. NeoChaosX  (he shoots, he scores!) 10:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is exactly what I had said when I removed it the first time. Evidently, some people don't understand the policies of Wikipedia. Kaiser matias 19:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  A table is created to track a general managers moves, and you guys get all bent out of shape about it. Then I come here and see a guy wants to create a hate page on a nother person "mike keenan" and it gets the comment of "I would love to see such an article but..." . Wow. Here is a pot calling the kettle black if I ever saw one.  --Bangabalunga 23:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, no, since you are comparing apples and oranges.  Afterall, nobody is suggesting of writting an entire (and very lengthy) section on Keenan's article, but looking at a separate article for it. Resolute 00:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The General Manager's pages 

message: Hey I was just running through some articles, and I was wondering if anybody wanted to start an article List of people who hate Mike Keenan. It is a fairly notable topic and will have plenty of subject matter. Anybody? Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 21:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I would love to see such an article, and know it would be very in depth, I can't see it happening. It is a little subjective, and would be biased against Keenan, even if he does deserve it. Kaiser matias 21:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't imagine how an article with that title would conform with the policy on neutral point of view.  Can you think of another example, in another field that has an article in Wikipedia?  -- JamesTeterenko 23:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Major WP:POV concerns with that one.  I dont think you could adequately define "hate" well enough for such an article to fly.  I would also question the necessity of it.  It borders on fancruft, imo. Resolute 00:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  By the way I wasn't being very serious, a little tongue-in-cheek. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 00:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Oh yeah I completely agree with you, Brett Hull, Todd Bergen, Roberto Luongo, I could go on all day. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 04:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Don't forget Kristian Huselius! --Krm500 09:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mike Keenan 

message: I am getting sick and tired of this constant updating of players' stats midseason. It is growing on bordler-line frustration. Player pages like Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Alexander Ovechkin, Jaromir Jagr and Jarome Iginla, high profile ones, are just being cluttered with stats (usually incorrect in some way) and it also clutters up to the history pages as well as being uncyclopedic since all the player articles will never have uniform updated statistics. I suggest that we consider it vandalism and revert it as we see it, as well as putting on a sterner-than-before disclaimer such as "Please Do Not Update Career Statistics Mid-Season, It is considered vandalism and WILL be reverted". Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 04:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As much as I sympathize with your frustrations, Wikipedia wants as many contributors as possible, and telling people not to update pages is against that policy. Flibirigit 12:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I suggest taking this to WP:RFC, and I suspect there would be a consensus FOR updating statistics in mid-season. Why not start adding rants to the pages of every TV show demanding that episode lists not be updated mid-season as well?  Geoffrey Spear 14:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It's just another of the crosses we have to bear, unfortunately.  There seems to be a perception out there that the Wiki Foundation awards gold stars for the editors who are The! Very! First! to make a particular edit.  Heck, the updating team records after every damn game drives me crazy too.  RGTraynor 16:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Updating statistics and updating every TV show are two completely different things, Spear, because once a show happens it has happened, and the list shows the indidivudual show, whereas with the statistics its not like there is a game-by-game listing, which perhaps would be more beneficial except that it is not good to put into an encyclopedia. And very good point, Traynor. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 00:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've been fighting daily updates over at the 500 Goals page for a while and I was considering updating the statistics for everyone during the all-star break, since the page deals with players who have achieved a certain statistic. Does anyone object to that? -- Scorpion 00:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, who would argue that a player in the 5th or 6th best league in the world isn't more interesting than Crosby or Malkin? The very fact that his stats aren't "as easy to look up" is a pretty good indication that they're not notable, whereas there is a wide international interest in Crosby's stats. Geoffrey Spear 03:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah both the 500 goals page and 1000 points page have gotten abused like that by users with itchy trigger fingers, I had a large problem last year at the 1000 points page. I'd say sure do what you will, but amazingly enough since I deleted the 06-07 row on Crosby's page it hasn't been put back, and its been a day. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 04:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ...And my removal of the 2006/07 stats from Nicklas Bäckström was reverted quickly.  Sure, let's keep game by game stats on Peewee players too, and not on the world's best player.  Ridiculous. Geoffrey Spear 13:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating Career Statistics Mid-Season 

message: As Mr. Bryant's still restoring his NN edits in the face of unanimous consensus, I've put this up for RfC, if anyone wishes to poke his head in and comment.  RGTraynor 20:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are all his edits copyvios or NN?  Just looking at the 1971-72 NHL season, it looks like they are NN.  Does anyone really care if Gilles Meloche recorded four shutouts for the Golden Seals, let alone giving up 9 goals in a game against the Rangers?  I don't have a copy of Trail of the Stanley Cup, so I can't tell if it is a copyvio.Patken4 05:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[1966-67 NHL season]] redux 

message: I don't know if anyone here has noticed but I recently created this article. I was doing the List of Frölunda HC players and thought that it would be a good idea with a list of drafted players to. I think that this is a very good idea for all notable european teams and junior and collage leagues in N.A. It gives you a qiuck look of what talant a team has produced and what has happend to their players. What do you all think?--Krm500 03:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, anyone know how Lars-Erik Sjöberg and Thommie Bergman came to the WHA? I can't find that they were drafted but they would fit the article since they both are "Frölunda products".--Krm500 03:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sjoberg came to the WHA when he signed with the Winnipeg Jets on May 23/1974. Bergman actually came over from Sweden to the Detroit Red Wings by signing as a free agent on August 31/1972, and then he was traded to Winnipeg of the WHA in December 1974 for cash. But if the list dictates that it is a List of Drafted Frolunda HC players, it would have to include only drafted players... otherwise I'd suggest renaming the article to something along the lines of List of Frolunda HC players who played in the NHL or something. Hope this helps. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 04:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, because I just can't see the notability of a list which includes wildly speculative 9th rounders.  RGTraynor 05:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Nope, no renaming needed, I just wanted to clarify that they were never drafted. --Krm500 16:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of drafted Frölunda HC players]] 

message: Before too many of the team season articles get created, can we agree on some uniformity in the game logs?  There are already three different colour schemes for W/L/OTL (Buffalo, Los Angeles and Vancouver are examples of each).  Also, a couple of the articles have links to the goaltenders (Columbus, for example) while the rest do not.  A vote for uniformity, please? Skudrafan1 01:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my intention when I created the first article.  Personally, I'm more concerned about the format than the colouring, but a completely uniform set of articles would be nice. Resolute 04:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uniformity isn't that important, but can we please have green for wins and red for losses, anything else make absolutly no sense at all --T-rex 08:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniformity in Game Logs for Team Season Articles 

message: We need to update the draft results for each year. Example: 1974 NHL Amateur Draft is missing a number of players who achieved NHL status.
I can add the players, but I am not familiar with the code for producing tables. -RiverHockey 21:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free mention here whatever articles you need help with. We will gladly help. Flibirigit 01:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Updating NHL Amateur Draft Years

message: User:Samuel Calles Alarcón has been trying to upload an image of Sergei Fedorov and I have left serveral messages on his talk page but he wont stop. Please add the Sergei Fedorov article to your watchlist. --Krm500 23:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest leaving a message for him in Spanish. It appears by his name, that he would speak the language. Flibirigit 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please keep an eye on [[User:Samuel Calles Alarcón]] 

message: Just an update since I reverted mid-season statistics updates on five main superstar pages as a general test, (Jagr, Iginla, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin) five days ago, Only once has someone put them back up when a new user updated the Iginla stats yesterday. I left a friendly message on his user page after reverting it. I see this as a positive sign as perhaps all these lazy, giddy or enthusiastic statistics updaters (the ones who update the season stats but don't update the corresponding career stats) won't update them if there is no 06-07 byline, as either they don't know how or its too much work. And its not like these players didn't play well this week either, Crosby and Ovechkin both had insane weeks and I was surprised no fans updated their stats. I think that cuts our problem down a bunch, and perhaps this can be a winnible fight after all, just reverting it just as its vandalism. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 00:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a thought.  One can always hope.  RGTraynor 03:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Check Crosby's history.  His stats were re-added and deleted again.  Geoffrey Spear 04:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing you can try is to add the 2006-07 year, but put "season in progress" where his stats should be.  Might offer a hint. Resolute 04:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about creating a WP:Hockey vandalism template? I just reverted the Iginla article after someone updated the stats and changed the "free to use" excisting image to an image without any source. A nice and friendly template that explains the WP:Hockey guidlines.--Krm500 15:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Calling the addition of accurate current season statistics to a player's article "vandalism" is a blatant violation of WP:AGF.  Geoffrey Spear 16:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually I think Resolute's idea is a really good one and is somewhat similar to an idea I had a long time ago, however I think Resolute's idea will further help in giving people the hint. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 21:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  I didn't mean it in t´hat way, I ment that we, and I quote, -"A nice and friendly template that explains the WP:Hockey guidlines". I'm not calling it vandalism I ment that we make a simular template as the ones being used on Wikipedia:Vandalism, for example  ~~~~. Instead of "experimenting with Wikipedia" we could write something like "thanks for updating the stats for Player Name ... but the WP:Hockey's guidelines say that ... If you have any questions please visit the talk page". We could make one template for stats update, one for NHLPA or other images uploads that look suspicious and so on. --Krm500 00:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like the idea.  RGTraynor 03:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating Career Stats Mid-Season Update 

message: Don't know if this has been done yet, but I think it would be a good idea to include WP:PDATA info on all the players pages. While I am well aware of the fact that there is a hockey template, this allows for all players to be catagorized in the biography section. Just a thought, and would like to here input. Kaiser matias 08:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Persondata 

message: It seems the 66-67 season isn't the only page that Mr. Bryant has made additions to.  Some of them seem to be fine, such as the 1922-23 NHL season.  Some need a little tinkering, but otherwise may be ok, such as the playing style section of Doug Jarrett.  But others are similar to the 66-67 edits he made.  Pretty much any season page from the 60's is a problem.  And as RGTraynor found out today, Eddie Giacomin's page is a mess.  
Here are his contributions.  Looking at the 66-67 Talk page, he doesn't appear to be willing to listen to the consensus nor any sort of comprimise that has been offered to him.  So it seems we have two issues; what to do with him and what to do with his edits.  Comments?  Patken4 02:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We slog through the edits.  Most of the NHL seasons are fine, but if the Sixties are a mess, we'll just have to persevere.  Bryant himself has gotten to be a problem large enough to be trashing us on other sites, and it's starting to look like some serious conflict resolution has to happen.  RGTraynor 03:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For someone who hasn't been following the debate - what is the problem? --Krm500 03:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Originally the problem was copyright violation. But since then the problem is POV, notability, and unencyclopedic tone. Flibirigit 03:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just overhauled the 1965-66 NHL season article, which was jampacked with word-for-word copyvios from Trail of the Stanley Cup.  Plainly Mr. Bryant's claim to have put all those entries into his own words must be taken with a large chunk of salt.  RGTraynor 04:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I skimmed through all seasons from 44-45 to 79-80.  Here are the seasons that seem to ooze NN and potentially copyrighted edits: every season between 1955-56 NHL season and 1964-65 NHL season and 1967-68 NHL season to 1971-72 NHL season.  Patken4 22:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: User:Corey Bryant (again?)

message: It doesn't feel like this project is going anywhere, just a bunch of wikipedia users who do their own edits here and there. There's only two fetured hockey articles and one of them was improved to FA status single handedly by one user. Wouldn't it be a good idea to have an active AID so a few more hockey articles could get fetured. The first thing we need to do if we want to start an assesment is to look which articles that are most imprortant to this project. Maybe a few bios, Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Howe and some teams and the NHL article, you all get the picture. Anyone intrested? --Krm500 03:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the colaboration article was to be the Stanley Cup. Unfortunately I don't have much to contribute to that. But I do appreciate all the help with the American Hockey League seasons we just finished. Flibirigit 03:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now what is an AID? And the Montreal Canadiens article WAS an FA before it got removed. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 03:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: A good way to get an overview of what is needed to be done. --Krm500 04:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Which is a completely different animal than chasing after FA status.  What's needed is (a) to figure out ways to reduce the amount of time we spend reverting vandals, (b) to bring major articles, such as HHOF Honoured Members, minor-league teams and significant players out of stub, (c) to create such of the above articles that don't already exist.  RGTraynor 16:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I am currently tackling the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League and its teams. 16:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I have spent a lot of my time adding the career statistics for a lot of players. It is suprising how many of them have nothing at all. Currently, I'm going down the list on List of Vancouver Canucks players, and adding and correcting all the pages. But it would be good to have some FA and GA pages that deal with hockey, as it would potentially bring more people into adding more information. Kaiser matias 00:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah I'm in complete agreement with everything RGTraynor said. I wouldn't say this project isn't going anywhere, and those of us have been around a little longer know that plenty has gotten done over the last year alone. Since when I started on this WikiProject in around September 2005 or so, I've seen player articles created en masse, so that every single active player and every even obsurely notable retired player has an article, the 2 featured articles (the Gretzky and Devils), a much larger emphasis on statistics and statistical-related articles, and categories for players who have played in the CHL and AHL. I've seen many users undertake huge projects, with much success. Its not a matter of this project not going anywhere, its just many users aren't really noticing or giving recognition when things do get done. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 09:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Sorry, I didn't mean to take anyting away from the members who has made a huge amount of work. My opinion is just that instead of 1 person taking on a big project it would be a good idea to work together. An active AID would be a start, the assesment is for keeping track of what is being done and what is needed to be done. Plus, you said that much of the work isn't being noticed, what's not better then an assesment so people do take notice when a new article is being created. This is quite a large project but I've seen many smaller and "younger" projects with an assesment which helps them alot. --Krm500 16:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel many Wikipedians part of this project are too humble for recognition. Flibirigit 19:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  And that's part of the problem when one user takes on a huge project by themselves sometimes, and the awareness isn't there that it is going on. And there have been projects where many people have chipped in. But the AID (still not entirely sure what it is) idea is a pretty good idea methinks though, however I won't say we should use it for the sole purpose of getting articles to FA status. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 20:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  FA isn't necessary, the purpose is to improve articles and AID stands for Article Improvment Drive. Take a look at the Soccer project and their AID and Assesment. --Krm500 21:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ha! Article Improvement Drive, I guess if I would have used my head I would have gotten that. Way too many abbreviations on Wikipedia. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 22:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text: How abouts we start a list of article's that are already considered "good", and then expand from there as to what needs to be done and what articles need to be improved. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 17:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time for an assesment and AID? 

message: I just created a template that can be directed at anonymous users who update stats during the season. Any suggestions on how to make the templare better? When adding it to an talk page use  ~~~~. Player Name is not optional. 
Here is what it looks like using Sidney Crosby as an example:
Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia by updating the statistics for . Unfortunately your recent edit(s) has been reverted. This is because the guidelines from the WikiProject on Ice Hockey states that season statistics may only be updated when the season has ended. This is for maintaining a high standard and accuracy on all hockey players articles on Wikipedia. We understand that your edit was in good faith and hope that you understand our objectives. If you have any questions, please visit us at the WikiProject on Ice Hockey's talk page. --Krm500 04:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess this works. I would change "for" in the first sentence to "on", though, because some folks have a tendency to change the franchise scoring leaders tables on team pages as well, and it sounds awkward to say (e.g.) "for San Jose Sharks" in the warning. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 04:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "... in the Player/Team name article." --Krm500 04:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds better. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 05:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template for updated stats 

message: When it comes to listing career totals for the Career Statistics part, it seems to be the norm to only include NHL totals, and disregard junior, minor and international totals. That I agree with, we don't need it having four or five rows of career totals in whatever league. But what about the WHA. I only quickly looked over notable WHAers, such as Gretzky and Messier, and they didn't. The only one that I see with it, of the few I looked at, was Gordie Howe. So, I think that we should include WHA totals with NHL totals, because you look at some guys, say John Arbour, and they didn't do anything in the NHL; they were more in the WHA. Just my thoughts. Kaiser matias 23:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I see no reason why these other subtotals should not be included.  Any player I have added stats for has three totals: junior, minor league and NHL.  In the case of WHAers, I think that should be included as well, especially since the WHA was a major league. Resolute 23:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There should be separate totals for NHL and WHA stats, and that's indeed the common encyclopedic practice.  They shouldn't be combined. RGTraynor 00:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I simply didnt express that very well. Resolute 01:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The WHA 

message: Hi, I need some opinions about the 55th National Hockey League All-Star Game‎. I have been involved in a dispute with a poster over Rory Fitzpatrick. I feel that he is notable enough to receive significant mention on the page and thus I added a section to the all-star page that was similar, but considerably smaller, to the one on Fitzpatrick's page. User:Madchester decided he did not like that and continually removed the section, claiming I was a supporter of the campaign and was advertising for it (which I am not. I dislike the campaign). Anyway, I just discovered that he is an administrator and he warned me about breaking the 3RR, so I figured some outside opinions on the matter would be welcome. And yes, the two sections are similar, but that still doesn't mean that Fitzpatrick doesn't deserve mention on the all-star page. -- Scorpion 02:20, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think one sentence would be sufficient. Your section on Fitzpatrick is more than half the article, placing undue weight on the subject. Flibirigit 02:47, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think a little more than one sentence is required, as the sentence that exists now badly understates how big a story it has become. However what did exist was excessive. I offered further comments on the talk page for the article. Resolute 02:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well of course the section will be wittled down once the voting is done and he does or (hopefully) doesn't make the team, but for the time being, I'll try to shorten it. And of course there won't be a lot of other information, the game hasn't been played yet. -- Scorpion 02:54, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It should be okay as long as it doesn't sound like an advertisememt. Flibirigit 04:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit Dispute at 55th NHL All-Star game

message: :I'm curious what the policy should be for major junior teams. For example, Darryl Sittler is listed as a Hall of Famer at the London Knights page, even though his time with the Knights had little to do with why he was inducted. Turk Broda was also there at one point because he briefly coached the team (I removed him). VERY few players or coaches are inducted for careers in the major junior leagues, Brian Kilrea being the only exception that I can think of off the top of my head. -- Scorpion 21:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC
::ALL the NHL alumni and HHOF alumni lists for ALL teams in the Canadian Hockey League included any player who played at least ONE game for the junior team and at least ONE game for an NHL team, regardless of "notability". If the person was inducted into the HHOF for any reason other than as a player, it is (or should be if I missed it) duly noted.  Flibirigit 04:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Junior teams

message: Could somebody please clean up the United States Amateur Hockey Association article?  It is currently a candidate for deletion.  Patken4 18:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[United States Amateur Hockey Association]]

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards