Talk:Gray Fox (Metal Gear)

message: "Gray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability; seemingly any human attribute up to nearly 20-30x normal human."
What evidence is there that points towards this "20-30x normal human" stat? Similarly in regard to "any human attribute," there is no evidence presented to show that Fox's mental capacity was increased by the armour. "Physical attributes" may be a better phrase, unless there is data presented in AC!D which corroborates this. - Hayter 17:08, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Weapons & Abilities

message: Does Fox sport a katana or a ninjato? I've seen it edited each way a couple of times. Is it referred to in the game as anything other than a sword or blade? I think the sword in MGS2 is referred to as a Katana, but though it's based on this one, it's clearly (probably) not the same one. Strikes me that the idea of a ninjato is illogical; just wondered what others thought. --Hayter 20:25, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The sword in MGS2 was described as a 'High-Frequency Blade'.  I don't think it exists in real life, as it's electrical.  Hitting someone with the blunt edge can knock them out, and it is also equiped with Stealth technology (like Fox and Otacon's stealth suits) so it can turn invisible when the user does. 87th 01:53, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I believe in Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, that it is revealed to be a high-frequency blade, like Mr. X's in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty. Although I could be mistaken.
I say that it should simply be listed as a "high-frequency blade" and not likened to any particular sword. For the sake of accuracy, though, it might also be a good idea to mention that it was called a "Katana" in the games. Village Baka 22:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: It's a, uh... sword?

message: The picture of the Ninja at the top of this page is a big spoiler for anyone who hasn't yet finished MGS. JP Godfrey 16:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How so? The ninja appears early in the game and this very illustration is presented in the game's instruction leaflet if I'm not mistaken. Aside from which, anyone accessing an encyclopaedic page on a subject such as this must be prepared for the possible eventuality that they will spoil something for themselves. - Hayter 19:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not revealed that Grey Fox is the Ninja until the fight against him perhaps halfway through the game, so it's a spoiler in principle. That said, the number of people who are familiar with Gray Fox from the first two MG games but who have yet to clear MGS must number in the single digits. Sockatume 21:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPOILER! 

message: And dumped the cleanup tag. It's now pretty good. All the plot summary is condensed, and only the info relevant to Fox has been kept. 
Any comments?
(The Bread 06:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still sure the MG2:SS summary could be shortened. I keep meaning to take a crack at it, then getting distracted by other work. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've cleaned it up 

message: Gray Fox is only his codename as a member of fictional special forces unit FOXHOUND; his real name is Frank Jaeger. He is initially Solid Snake's best friend  and war buddy in his first appearance in Metal Gear, but becomes an antagonist, turning his back on both FOXHOUND and Solid Snake in Metal Gear 2. He returns as the genetically and technologically enhanced Cyborg Ninja in Metal Gear Solid.
In Metal Gear, he disappears after sending a cryptic message about a "METAL GEAR," and Solid Snake, the protagonist, must save him and learn from him about the enemy superweapon, codenamed "Metal Gear". In the sequel, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, Gray Fox once again disappears, but turns out to have defected to the side of the antagonist, Big Boss. However, Gray Fox secretly assists Snake by leaving him anonymous tips over his radio. Solid Snake confronts and seemingly kills Gray Fox in a final fistfight to the death in a minefield.
In Metal Gear Solid, Cyborg Ninja (designed by Yoji Shinkawa and voiced by Greg Eagles in English and Kaneto Shiozawa in Japanese), a katana-armed ninja in a cybernetic exoskeleton, confronts Solid Snake. A mysterious voice without a face, code-named "Deepthroat," also gives Snake cryptic advice via radio. They both turn out to be Gray Fox, who is seeking another confrontation with Solid Snake. He challenges Snake to a final duel, for the sake of the battle itself. This battle isn't to the death, however; Cyborg Ninja instead later gives his life to help Solid Snake destroy Metal Gear REX.
Just as Metal Gear Solid eclipsed its predecessors in popularity, Cyborg Ninja turned out to be much more of a fan favorite than Gray Fox in his original form. The Cyborg Ninja has appeared in a number of games after Metal Gear Solid, either as crossover appearances in other games, or in the form of other mysterious characters in later Metal Gear games. Metal Gear Solid's poplularity lead to the game being remade for the Game Cube, in this version Gray Fox was voiced by Rob Paulsen 
In Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Olga Gurlukovich wears a suit similar to Fox's. Her suit isn't the only reference to Gray Fox; she also offers cryptic advice via radio, using the name "Deepthroat", then "Mr. X". Recently, the E3 2006 trailer of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots has shown Raiden (donning a Cyborg Ninja exoskeleton) performing acrobatic moves, which are very similar to Gray Fox's.
The Cyborg Ninja suit is a hidden option in two of the "VR Mission" modes included with other Metal Gear games. In Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions (which was included in Metal Gear Solid: Integral, released only in Japan, and in the Windows version of Metal Gear Solid), Cyborg Ninja appears in three unlockable missions, and in Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance, one of Raiden's unlockable costumes is the Cyborg Ninja suit. Cyborg Ninja also appears in the Game Boy Advance game Konami Krazy Racers, as one of several playable Konami characters.
--94.246.150.68 (talk) 17:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old bio 

message: --94.246.150.68 (talk) 12:21, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naomi Hunter relationship not covered (yet) 

message: *FandomaniaTop 10 Fictional Ninjas | Fandomania
*The Armchair Empire (ranked #8) in 2006,Top Ten: Best Ninjas - Features - The Armchair Empire
*Wild Gunmen (ranked #3)The Top 10 Ninjas In Video Games, Wild Gunmen, September 15, 2010
--194.145.185.229 (talk) 15:53, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnotable reception (could be restored if notable) 

message: For example: , for details:  - and even if it's everyone who are mistaken about it, just write about it (like: "it is really just 'Ninja', not 'Cyborg Ninja', contrary to popular opinion"), and source it properly, instead of just deleting whole paragraph indisriminately, while still leaving the "Cyborg Ninja" stuff all over the article elsewhere - including "the identity of the Cyborg Ninja (サイボーグ忍者, Saibōgu Ninja)" in the very intro, and in infobox too (btw "サイボーグ忍者", even the Japanese Wikipedia uses this name for him in MGS). --194.145.185.229 (talk) 12:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole paragraph was unsourced to begin with, making it original research. In Metal Gear 2, Kyle Schneider was already a cyborg ninja and most of these sources are unreliable. The only impact he had was that Olga directly impersonated him in Sons of Liberty.Tintor2 (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "Cyborg Ninja" 

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