Talk:Scotland national football team

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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There is an ongoing discussion regarding the implementation of a Results and Fixtures section on the Scotland national football team page. Please click the link in the title to give your opinions! Felixsv7 (talk) 12:21, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop adding this until there is a consensus for it. What you are doing is inconsistent with club articles and isn't even accurate. The correct fixture list is maintained at Scotland national football team results (2020–present).  Jmorrison230582 (talk) 17:39, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Why is it "bizarre" to not have a "recent results" section in a football team article? There are literally thousands of club articles that don't have them. The Scotland rugby and cricket teams don't have one. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:25, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I said nation, not club. It's bizarre because I've never come across it before. At least for a nation that plays regularly (some smaller nations can go years between matches). I don't know why you'd raise club - it's not comparable, and not relevant. There's seldom more than 10-12 games a year (2021 being an exception for many nations). Why should Scotland be different than other team? Standard practice is to show scheduled matches (looks like 7 currently) and matches during the last 12 months (currently 14). Rugby Union and Cricket are different projects. Speaking of which, someone should really fix Scotland women's national rugby union team#Results. I think we'd both agree that shouldn't be in the main article. Nfitz (talk) 07:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Jmorrison, this wasn't an issue when the article was promoted to a featured article. The article links to the independent results articles anyway and the history section includes information about the most recent results. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:36, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It was promoted to a featured article 15 years ago in 2007. We've become much more consistent since then. Personally, I found it hard to find the information, and that page doesn't follow the usual format. There's no reason the article can't be improved. The key question is why would this page be different than all the other similar nation articles. Even men's articles for other parts of the UK show the standard "Results and Fixtures" section, like Wales, England, Northern Ireland. Even Cornwall :).  Nfitz (talk) 15:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Results and Fixtures - Scotland and Peru national football teams|Results and Fixtures]] 

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) MaterialWorks (contribs) 18:03, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a strong view on this, but I would note that the SFA don't regularly operate any women's national youth teams above under-19. This means that I don't see the need to move the (men's) under-21 or under-20 articles, as they aren't ambiguous. The same principle also applies to the men's B team, which isn't being proposed for moving (?). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:42, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I did think about that regarding youth teams, would have no qualms if the ones which have not had a women's representative side are separated out and obtain a different consensus. Regarding the B team, my apologies, I only looked at :Category:National youth sports teams of Scotland for any other articles that may need moving (pending this discussion). Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 13:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

text: There hasn't been consistency across national team articles for almost 20 years after the US and Canada pages were moved in 2004 and 2008 respectively. It was also not an issue when the Australia page was moved last year. That would suggest to me that the consensus is that WP:CONSISTENT only applies to the subset of articles for each individual country/territory rather than across all 200+ men's national team articles. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 17:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. By reading the Australian RM, two other users seems to agree about the general discussion that I've stated above. It is true that consistency has not existed for years as you said. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 20:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Oof, this needed to be changed. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 10:28, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 April 2023 

message: Per MOS:LEADLANG, . That's not currently the case (and only one recent iteration did this) as there are two other languages included and they are not included in the lead but instead as a note. I think it makes more sense including them in brackets rather than hiding them in a note but I honestly don't know which one you would include as both are valid inclusions. Does that mean we should have two instead even though the policy is quite clear to only include one? I'm not sure. As it has become and issue in the recent edit history, I would welcome other input to find the best way forwards. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 19:20, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That policy also says "If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name may be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses" and "Consider footnoting foreign-language names if they would otherwise clutter the first sentence". Yes, other languages are used in Scotland, but the Scotland team is not "closely associated" with a non-English language. It's not popularly known by the other language names in the way other teams are (e.g. Munich / Munchen). A footnote should suffice. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 03:57, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other languages 

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