Talk:List of fictional tricksters

message: what about cat in the hat or fox in socks? cat in the had show some shapeshifting abilities as does fox in socks by doing things that should be impossible or having little cats in hi hat  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.139.213.3 (talk) 20:09, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Dr Suess" tag

message: This list originally developed within the trickster article. Like many in-article lists, it soon became problematic. Many stopping by the article added their favorite "trickster" and eventually the list began to dominate the article. It was discussed on the talk page and my proposed solution was to create a separate page for the list. I did that and someone (rightly) added the tag to it, suggesting the need for better definition. So I have added a reference, with some characteristics of tricksters. Hopefully the list may prove interesting and illuminating for some. However, I have no particular brief as to whether the list should live or die. If it remains, there should be some scrutiny as to whether the tricksters listed meet several of the six traits. I've removed the tag. See what you think.  Sunray 07:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started going through the list, eliminating names that do not seem to meet the traits of a trickster (e.g., Mary Poppins, Danny Ocean). Several others seem doubtful, mostly cartoon figures like Daffy Duck, the Pink Panther, the Road Runner and Woody Woodpecker. All these characters engage in deception, but is there evidence of other trickster traits, such as shape-shifting? Thoughts? Sunray 16:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Daffy did shapeshift into a plane in The Wise Quacking Duck and A Corny Concerto. He has aloso proven to be very good at disguises several times. I don't know if it adds to he qualification as ambiguous bugt he somehow managed to procreate with a decoy in A Coy Decoy--142.117.146.229 (talk) 21:35, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

text: The list has been seriously pruned. I used the traits listed and looked for sources. I've added some citations, particularly where there seemed to be some doubt. For example, I found no evidence for Roadrunner, but Wile E. Coyote is related to the Old Man Coyote trickster of Native American lore (and yes, his getting squashed by a boulder and then appearing in the next scene opening his latest package from the Acme Corporation qualifies as shape shifting. Sunray 16:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Non-referenced and poorly defined list" tag

message: Some of the tricksters, like Eris and Loki, seem to be deities in particular religions (ones that may not have many adherents these days, though). While I don't believe in Eris or in Loki, it doesn't seem correct to call them "fictional". Whether a book is fictional is a matter of genre rather than of the book's truth. Dishonest Soviet "history" books would nonetheless be correctly classified as non-fiction, no matter how large a percentage of them was false propaganda--to lie, to make a mistake and to write a work of fiction are all different. So even if we know that Eris and Loki don't exist, if they weren't created as part of a work of fiction, but rather as part of a sincerely believed religion, it is incorrect to classify them as fictional. There may, of course, be a difficult historical question here and the distinction may at times be vague. After all, something might start as a work of fiction--a fun story told by the campfire--and people might come to believe it's true. Pruss (talk) 21:13, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional?

message: What about Tyler Durden/the Narrator in Fight Club? Got the dual personality/shape shifter thing, plays tricks, changes society etc.Zlama 06:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. Durden is ambiguous, a trick-player, situation-inverter, bricoleur... Good call. I would add him. Sunray 16:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's a review that talks about the trickster aspect  Sunray 16:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tyler Durden?

message: Sorry...  But I've tidied the list a little since it was getting a tad chaotic..  I've also taken the liberty of removing Kenny McCormick - as far as I can tell he doesn't meet any of the characteristics specified for a Trickster.  He does have a resurrection pattern, certainly, but that's not given as a qualification - and he wouldn't seem to be significantly more Trickster than Kyle, Stan or Cartman by those specifications. - Shrivenzale (talk) 18:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: OMG, I've Killed Kenny!

message: I disagree with the listing of the Vorlons from Babylon 5. I don't feel that they truly meet the criteria, and if they do, then all of the races known as "First Ones" in the series must be added. Ninja housewife (talk) 13:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Babylon 5 References?

message: I've removed examples of childhood antics, con artists, and fictionalised folklore. - jc37 02:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: In some fiction, villains come in the form of physically unintimidating characters who seek to defeat the protagonist using cerebral, yet whimsical methods. They are typically non-deadly in their intents and may only seek to humiliate or outwit the protagonist. Often such villains lean towards comedy, and conflicts with them are generally resolved non-violently. They may be recurring characters, such as members of the Q Continuum in several Star Trek series. In comics, The Riddler is often presented as one of the less violent members of Batman's rogue's gallery. Others, like the Trickster, The Joker, and Loki, can qualify as trickster villains, but can also lean more towards malice than clever whimsy.
There is also a trickster in The Sarah Jane Adventures, a spin-off of Doctor Who, where the trickster and his brigade try to change time-lines in order to create chaos which they feed on.
On the CW's TV show Supernatural there is a villain known as "The Trickster" appearing in seasons 2, 3, and 5. In the show tricksters are said to be known for "deadly pranks" often things that seem funny but in reality are not. They use their tricks as "just desserts" for their victims. It's also said [in the show] that tricksters have a sweet tooth. Later in the show, however, the Trickster was revealed in the show to be the Archangel Gabriel, who used the Trickster persona to hide and to indulge certain personal preferences. Gabriel was killed by Lucifer in the show, and he left pertinent information in death via video that allowed the brothers to ultimately defeat and cage Lucifer.
In the PC game series Thief by Looking Glass Studios, the former enemy of the Hammerites is Trickster, a satyr or devil-like creature.
In the TV show Teen Wolf, Kistunes are trickster spirits who are known for being mischievous and playing tricks on others. In the second half of the third season, the main antagonist is a Nogistune, a kitsune spirit who tends to play deadly tricks and feeds of the pain and suffering it causes.
--Jules.LT (talk) 12:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from main [[Trickster]] article: "As villains" 

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message: For those who have seen this film, I was wondering if 'Nobody', played by Terrence Hill, would be classified as a trickster. I'm not going to add 'Nobody' to the list if you guys think he doesn't. Anyway, for anyone who hasn't seen it, here is the link to the movie...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWVXLy_fJGk
58.164.19.147 (talk) 05:08, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The character 'Nobody', from the 1973 spaghetti western movie 'My Name is Nobody'. 

message: I suppose that all of them (Daffy more so in his early cartoons) fit most aspects of a trickster. They are examples of the "screwball" type of trickster who plays tricks on others for their own amusement, and have shown to be masters of disguise many times. Please tell me if the three can be put in the list.--142.117.146.229 (talk) 21:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Early Daffy Duck from [[Looney Tunes]], the Aracuan Bird from [[The Three Caballeros]] and Screwy Squirrel from [[Tex Avery]]'s cartoons