Talk:Karl Rove/Archive 1

message: In the Time magazine issue Sept. 11 2002, pg.42-43:
there is a shot of Rove in, for us, an entirely uncharacteristic pose.
Usually, the "master-planner", here, utterly engrossed in the ghastly spectacle, that he is also partaking of, at least until the President's day outstrips him, leaving him in the dust, as is the experience for so many advisors at this level.
This entirely appropriate human response gives us a rare glimpse of,
for some, the top predator in DC., nearly lost.
--Scroll1 02:23, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  On an Unseen Rove. 

message: The beginning of this article states that after Karl dropped out of college, he joined the College Republicans.  Is this accurate?  Or was he in the CR while he was in college?  If so, then the wording should be "Before" Karl dropped out of college, he began his blah blah blah.  Can anyone assist?  Thanks! Stanselmdoc 15:48, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Just a Quick Question

message: The article is lacking discussion of the allegations that Rove is gay and was having an affair with Jeff Gannon and providing Gannon with access and feeding him stories.  Other allegations that Bush has gay tendencies such as a fetish for rubbing heads, and the allegations that RNC chairman Ken Mehlman is gay, have led to speculation of the Republican gay mafia, unfortunately too interesting a subject to be allowed into a Wikipedia article.
Why is ti that everytime heterosexuals want to describe someone as detestable they call them gay? I mean, have you given any thought at all as to what that says about your opinions of gay people? Perhaps if you were to refer to them as an ethnic or rligious minority's name, you would begin to realise precisely how bigoted you sound.
:If there is evidence that Rove is gay (and that his being gay is relevant to this article), present it. As far as the 'Republican Gay Mafia' is concerned, you're gonna have a tough time substantiating the existence of such a group with facts... Until then, such allegations without fact nor context have little relevance here. -- RyanFreisling @ 15:05, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rove, [[Jeff Gannon]], and the [[Republican Gay Mafia]] 

message: It is mindboggling the depths of anality which some self-appointed NPOV Nazis have sunk to, in removing the Turd Blossom nickname that GW Bush HIMSELF uses for Rove. Good God, can't we even say the sky is blue anymore?
:* George W. Bush has referred to Karl Rove as "the Boy Genius", Turd Blossom, as well as "The Architect". 
** I reverted it for two reasons: 1) you are not logged in, but behind an IP address. This is a clue that vandalism might be going on. 2) It seems inflammatory and POV. However, according to the linked article, it appears to be true. My suggestion for putting it in the main article would be to clarify that it is used only in a negative sense. I still think it is inflammatory, but it is interesting trivia. If it gets put up again, I won't revert, but someone else might. 
Still, you might do yourself a favor and get an account and log in. That way you (probably) won't get dismissed as a vandal.   --Barista | a/k/a マイケル | T/C 21:58, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * Ignorance of the subject matter is no excuse for mindless knee-jerk reverts.
* I have added a few words explaining what Turd Blossom means, and an additional reference for the term. Pburka 23:15, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section - How is a [[Turd Blossom]] ref [[POV]] ???? 

message: I deleted the following lines because they are currently unsourced, undated, and do not reflect NPOV standards.  If this is a real controversy, rather than anti-Rove Wikipedists merely venting anger and editorializing, they should be restored (with footnotes):
:At about this same time, Rove made a similarly controversial statement: "Al Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals."  White House press secretary Scott McClellan said there was no reason for Rove to apologize because he was “simply pointing out the different philosophies when it comes to winning the war on terrorism.” 
:Republican Party Chairman Ken Mehlman added, “I think what Karl Rove said is accurate and reflects a big difference between the two parties.” Critics pointed to Mehlman's statement, and his use of the word "parties," as evidence of a growing belief that when Rove said "liberals," he was equating liberals and/or Democrats.  
Sandover 02:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on Senator Durbin 

message: Here's an excerpt of the the code... the subsequent sections detailing defenses, exceptions, etc. are there.
    * United States Code
          o TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
                + CHAPTER 15 - NATIONAL SECURITY
                      # SUBCHAPTER IV - PROTECTION OF CERTAIN NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION
 
 U.S. Code as of: 01/22/02
 Section 421. Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents,
 informants, and sources
 
    (a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had
        access to classified information that identifies covert agent
      Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified
    information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses
    any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not
    authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the
    information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the
    United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert
    agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be
    fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or
    both.
    (b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of
        covert agents as result of having access to classified
        information
      Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified
    information, learns the identify of a covert agent and
    intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert
    agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified
    information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies
    such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative
    measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship
    to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned
    not more than five years, or both.
    (c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of
        activities intended to identify and expose covert agents
      Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to
    identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that
    such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence
    activities of the United States, discloses any information that
    identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not
    authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the
    information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the
    United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such
    individual's classified intelligence relationship to the United
    States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than
    three years, or both.
    (d) Imposition of consecutive sentences
      A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be
    consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment.
Note that each of the three different kinds of disclosure violations bear their own penalties - they are not requisites for a single charge. -- RyanFreisling @ 00:44, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just created a stub at Intelligence Identities Protection Act which needs expanding, although the actual text of the Act should be placed at Wikisource if it's not there already. - dcljr (talk) 21:19, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Intelligence Identities and Protection Act (50 U.S. Code Sec. 421)

message: In the chapter "spreading the leak", the 12 July 2005 is mentioned in the beginning. Shouldn't that be 12 July 2003? --Hppl 08:23, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong year?