Talk:Normlessness

message: This view is biased and outdated.
Norms are social laws and people are punished for deviance.
Less norms is more freedom,true anarchism is when people are not subjects to society /state/authority.People who can think on their own without the regard of "what the people would think of me" "what the state will do".
:: For the cowardly anonymous author above: It's not up to you to decide what is allowed or not; it's up to society. Norms exist to informally regulate society in order to avoid conflict and mutual inconviniences in relationships. This view is not outdated nor biased. In the Netherlands, where I come from, the problem of normlessness is high on the agenda. The perceived liberal ideas in the Netherlands have led to a situation in which a lot of people don't know how to deal with major issues in their lifes. People here don't seem to care a lot about one another. As normlessness causes crime, insecurity and failing social services, normlessness actually decreases the freedom of the individual. It is called normvervaging in Dutch (literally translated: the fading away of norms, to be perceived as normlessness). Ever more people seem to realise that something is wrong with Dutch society and increasingly often, liberal ideas are blamed. The Netherlands aren't as nice and liberal as many foreigners think it to be. The idea of a liberal Netherlands is a hypocrite one: it is a fairy tale. Real liberalism does not entail widespread egocentrism. In the Netherlands, paedophiles are trying to get their activities legalised because the Netherlands has a liberal reputation. Luckily enough, there has been a strong societal response against this idea and the party's founder has been sacked by his employer, but the fact that some people want to take advantage of children and publicly speak about it has something to do with normlessness. In a normal (take a look at the fitting etymology of the word) society paedophiles won't dare to speak about legalising their crimes. Unfortunately, judges seem to have the least norms in the Netherlands, as this party of paedophiles is allowed to exist. Norms are necessary as they form the informal framework of society that can actually replace laws in part. You confuse norms with oppression, but norms are just a collective agreement made by the society as a whole, approved by the overwhelming majority of it. Anarchism doesn't have anything to do with freedom, we are finding out in the Netherlands, it is the contrary of it as people are forced into the forced slavery of normlessness and the resulting uncertainty and insecurity. It leads to a society that is slowly falling apart. So get the idea that anarchism equals freedom out of your head. Besides, sociologists use the idea of anomie to explain one of the causes of crime. --84.26.109.69 20:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: In the first paragraph, the part after i.e. is unrelated to the rest of the paragraph.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.85.197.193 (talk) 03:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  huge non-sequitur 

message: This entire article is a fairly obvious copy/paste from anomie, or the other way around. Pw33n (talk) 01:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Should probably just turn this into a redirect to anomie. 68.194.217.223 (talk) 06:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Totally agree, this needs to be a redirect. The content is not exclusive to this page, and in fact this page adds nothing of value beyond what is already provided on anomie (and repeated here). Ronocdh (talk) 12:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  c/p