Talk:Aloisius Joseph Muench

message: Sift&Winnow, template:POV-check which you have inserted states on its usage guidelines "The editor who adds the tag must address the issues on the talk page, pointing to specific issues that are actionable within the content policies". I am hard pressed to find even one specific change that you have suggested for the article that I could take. Except alleging that Brown-Fleming may be a biased source (without providing any source which says this) and alleging that I may have somehow taken her out of context (without even saying where), it's very unclear to me what your concerns are. Could you please itemize them and be specific about what you would consider to be the remedy. Thank you. Savidan 22:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh... I don't know how many different ways I can explain this to you, but I'll try one more time. A request for a POV check is not the same as a POV tag. It is not an accusation of bias or lack of objectivity; it is simply a request to have someone knowledgeable in the topic take a look at the article to give an opinion as to its objectivity. Lack of objectivity can come from what is said in an article; it can also come from what is not said in an article. I know what you put in the article; I’d like to know if there are important facts about Muench or aspects of his life that were left out. Lack of objectivity can also come from the phrasing and juxtaposition of details, no matter how factual they may be. Not having read the book, I can't say that you've erred in the selection or presentation of material about Muench. That's why I asked for an expert to review the article. The fact that you've added incident after incident after incident that put Muench in a bad light, and the frenzy with which you've done that; that you've taken an ownership stance toward the article, overturning almost every edit; that you've been very defensive about a simple request for a review; and that some of the material in the article conflicts with information in other WP articles have all made me wonder about the article's objectivity and ask for a review by an outsider. Every article in WP deserves to be the best it can be. Usually the way to achieve that is through either collaboration or an external review process. Others can often see things we’ve missed because we’re too close to the subject. Apparently you don't agree. You insist upon actionable accusations. You don't get it; I'm not making accusations. The purpose of the independent review by an expert is to determine if there are any actionable problems, but you won't let that take place. Why? Your staunch refusal to allow any editorial oversight only makes your edits look suspicious. After all, if there were nothing wrong with the article, you'd have nothing to fear.  --Sift&Winnow 23:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstand the purpose of the POV-check template (quoted in my above comment). You criticize my language of "specific" and "actionable", yet I chose those words specifically because they are used on the guidelines for the template you have chosen. What you are describing would be better served by a RfC (already filed), Wikipedia:Third opinion, or a Wikipedia:Peer review. I would also not object to , as it is not as disruptive. I have yet to object to a substantive addition; I only object to the placement of such a disruptive, reader-facing template without cause. I would, in fact, welcome any and all other editors to contribute to the article if they are able. Savidan 00:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: Why did he not abdicate of the Diocese of Fargo when he was formally instituted as a nuncio? --77.4.122.136 (talk) 12:11, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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