Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (provinces)

message: Here's my proposal, based on my desire to perform a huge geodata-linking project based on a much-cleaned-up version of the public domain GEOnet Names Server data. See List of FIPS region codes for a major part of the manual heavy-lifting work, which is linking quasi-systematic names to Wikipedia articles. Doing 4000 of these was/is a pain. Once this is substantially done, a lot of the rest can be poured into a fuzzy-string-matcher together with a fairly recent capture of the FIPS ADM1 tables. -- The Anome 21:37, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
To help this work, every top-level subnational region should, at the very least, have a redirect to it in the form one of :
:X Entity, Country, or
:Entity of X, Country,
:X, Country
where 
* X is the local name transliterated into Latin script, accents and all, or the common English form, if different (Cologne instead of Köln, for example). 
* Entity is the capitalized version of the local entity type, either translated into English, if there is an exact translation, or transliterated from the original language, accents and all, if not. Sometimes Entity may be null if it's already contained in X: consider "County Clare"
* Country is the common name of the country as used to name the Wikipedia article about that country, for example North Korea, not the official English-language name of "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
Then, the  actual article itself for that region can be placed at 
:X Entity, Country, or
:Entity X, Country, or
:Entity of X, or
:X, Country, or even
:X
as appropriate depending on local naming conventions and uniqueness.
-- The Anome 21:29, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
::your proposal allows for "EoX", "E X" but not "X E". country disambiguation seems buggy, 1) missing "EoX, Country" 2) "X, Country" looks like City. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 21:42, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  GNS linking project and naming conventions 

message: Please reconsider the use of X Province for the Roman provinces. 
*It is not historic usage
*It is not English usage.
*It will make much more difficult a treatment of the late Roman provinces, after Diocletian, who broke them up into smaller bits, often carrying the same name divided by number or adjective (1st X, 2nd X, 3rd X, X Narbonensis), Septentrionalis 01:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: of course it's not historic ;-) (just thinking that Caesar was not speaking english) if there is english usage maybe this better. I think at the end, only few provinces need disambiguation at all. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:42, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and Gallia provincia is unusual in Latin, because unnecessary. When it does occur, it usually has the force of "Gaul, the province," not of a proper name. Septentrionalis 13:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Roman provinces

message: Please see also: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (subnational entities). More of same. –Hajor 14:42, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Related discussion

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions for a discussion on consolidating redundant or competing pages for places, countries, etc. Maurreen (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Consolidating discussion