Talk:Ronnie Biggs

message: Re this bit;
(Renegade train driver brought along by the robbers) "Agate was unable to operate the main line diesel-electric locomotive because he had only driven shunting locomotives on the Southern Region. Therefore, the driver of the intercepted train, Jack Mills, was coshed with an iron bar and forced to move the engine and mail carriages forward to a nearby bridge over a roadway, which had been chosen as the unloading point."
My understanding of the order of those events is this - the train was waylaid, driver Jack Mills was immediately coshed when putting up resistance and pushed down (the railway embarkment etc) by the gang. It was then found that Agate couldn't move the stalled train at all, so the semi-conscious Mills was forced back onto the train to shunt it (to the robber's unloading spot) instead of Agate doing it. 
i.e. Mills was coshed very soon after the robbery started, not after it was found that Agate then couldn't move the train. 
That is always the version I have heard, so it should be easy to verify. e.g. https://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/police-forces/thames-valley-police/areas/au/about-us/thames-valley-police-museum/the-great-train-robbery/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.210.174 (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The order of the Jack Mills coshing in the overall robbery 

message: Having contracted MRSA recently, Ronnie Biggs is said to be in extremely grave condition, and his death will likely occur soon. This was reported by his lawyers and has been corroborated by Biggs's son.
Aside from the word of his lawyers and his son, is there any actual evidence?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.114.191 (talk) 20:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: News - Ronnie Biggs said to be in grave condition 

message: When I was a kid, the Biggs's moved into my street (having fled from England as it turned out) to Hibiscus Road, in the Melbourne suburb of North Blackburn. I used to play with his kids. They used the assumed name of Cook. One day the street was full of cops, Ronnie had left (the day before I think) and then we learned who Mr. Cook really was..... --Commking 06:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha. Why did Ronnie go back to the UK in 2001? There was no chance of a pardon. Was he sick of life in Brazil, or did The Sun set him up? Rogerthat Talk 08:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia

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message: When he escaped abroad, supposedly with his equal share of the haul, the other gang-members complained that he had only been the tea-boy on the job, and did not deserve his fame. 86.139.88.137 (talk) 17:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Answer: You're on your own mate. If Gibbs would have a million of his own on making childrens TV, I do not see why that money should be given to other greedy gits. If he respected pecking orders, he would not have gone AWOL. He would be given a list on what Brazilian women he would be allowed to get close with. Later in life, he would be treated as a mere propertah of the Brazillian State.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.69.142 (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Place in the gang pecking-order

message: > Scotland Yard detectives arrived soon afterwards, but Biggs could not be extradited because the United Kingdom did not benefit from reciprocity of extradition to Brazil <
I call bullshit on this. Mossad rendered Eichmann from South America, wrapped in a big carpet and he got hanged, even though he wasn't even a jew, but a german. Britain went to war against South America, with aircraft carrier and nuclear submarine, over a snow-covered bucnh of tiny islands called Falkland/Malvinas and literally hundreds of soldiers were killed in battle there, even though that land had zero importance.
Indeed if such action in South America was worth the pain for Britain just to make Thatcher more popular, MI6 should have also re-located Biggs from Brazil to London so that the loop could be placed over his neck, demonstrating the UK govt's power. If they didn't, that means Biggs or his supporters knew something extraordinarily nasty with proof, something they probably found out during the train robbery. Say they found a letter detailing that the queen is a sadist lesbian dominatrix in her spare time or that Churchill had an illegitimate child with a negro maid, or he was a massive tax evader and addictive gambler, or so.
Apprehending Biggs would result in such gravest damaging info hitting the press, that's why they let him live free in Brazil. That is the only logical explanation. No sane person can think it would be difficult or troublesome for the nuclear power Britain get Biggs back on home soil from the brazilian banana republic. Remember, a state's first and foremost duty is to punish crimes!
If Britain felt like avoiding scandal, they could ask a close ally to extraordinarily render Biggs. Remember, pucky little Israel rendered german citizen Eichmann from Brazil and hanged him with near-zero protest during the same timeframe. They could have delivered Biggs to Britain as well, in exchange for some military aid.
Wikipedia is ruining its own reputation by repeating govt pro-passivity propaganda, which clearly fails the Occam razor test. 91.82.39.198 (talk) 20:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As for the Eichman case, the Argentines were on good level with Israel's point of view. Argentina submitted a complaint to the UN Security Council that appears to have been delibirately weak. The Council concluded that Israel should reconsidder what violations it had done to Argentina's integrity, and give Eichmann a civilised trial. The critisism towards Israel must not be viewed as condoning Eichmanns disgusting acts, so yebutnobut. May I join the Libdem party?--88.89.69.142 (talk) 22:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story total bullshit and incredibly naive! 

message: >at age 18 he joined the RAF but was dishonorably discharged in 1949 for desertion, serving for only two years<
I am pretty sure he did not defect! Desertion (unilaterally trying to escape from military service) results in court-martial and you get to face the musketry. Military is not a joke, it's a serious institution. Even "absent without leave" (e.g. getting really drunk and simply forgetting to return to the base in time) results in a hard to forget prison stay, many months of no barracks leave, years of reduced pay and total loss of hope for any significant future rank progress.
If the military simply discharged deserters, soon there would be nobody left in the military! That's why they shoot defectors in plain view of the entire unit, because discipline must be kept. Russian troops stationed in Hungary were shooting their defectors even in 1986, on the spot, at the railways station, in plain view of many hungarian civilians!
Wikipedia, please check what ridiculous info gets into your articles and purge them to keep credibility! 91.82.39.198 (talk) 20:50, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Britain had mandatory service (officially) until just before 1961. Even though the obligation seemed less real in the mid 50s (some would-be conscripts still think it was over as they never were drafted), here we are on about 1947. If I was a military dude in 1949, I would think that business owners would (initialy) like to know of service records at job interviews. They would know you have been there. Dishonourable discharge may have been more punishing than serving the rest of your time in the Armed Forces. I would more readily prefer to be discharged in a normal fashion. Military track records are sparse on less serious offences (such as observing bad table manners), and the punishent that came afterwards. I would expect there be no mention of an AWOL, except that it qualified for a dishonourable discharge.--88.89.69.142 (talk) 22:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probably factual error 

message: Wikipedia article "Great Train Robbery (1963)"
Heading: "Aftermath"
"Biggs fled to Paris, where he acquired new identity papers and underwent plastic surgery."
Wikipedia article "Ronnie Biggs"
Heading: "Great Train Robbery"
He fled to Helsinki, where he acquired new identity papers and underwent plastic surgery.
41.119.183.44 (talk) 09:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did Ronnie have plastic surgery and get his false papers from, Paris or Helsinki ? 

message: :In 1981, Biggs was kidnapped and smuggled into Barbados. The kidnappers hoped to collect a reward from the British police but Barbados had no extradition treaty with the United Kingdom and Biggs was sent back to Brazil.[6] In February 2006, Channel 4 aired a documentary featuring dramatisations of the attempted kidnap and interviews with John Miller, the ex-British Army  soldier who carried it out. The team was headed by security consultant Patrick King. In the documentary, King claimed that the kidnapping may have in fact been a deniable operation.[7]
This seems rather strange. What person with the competence to kidnap some from Brazil and smuggle them into Barbados is going to make the mistake of smuggling them into somewhere where there's no hope of extraditing them anyway? This seems even less likely if it was some sort of MI6 operation. Has it been suggested they were planning to take him somewhere else but failed? Nil Einne (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incompetent or failed? 

message: Where's the facts to back up that statement??
Do you know how many stitches he had??. Was he in intensive care for the "beating"??
He died of Leukaemia which the article states was un-related. 
So where's the facts backing up the statement "Mills never fully recovered from his injuries sustained during the robbery" ????  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.236.24 (talk) 06:08, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re quote "Mills never fully recovered from his injuries sustained during the robbery" 

message: 2.1.74.212 posted this comment on 20 December 2013 (view all feedback).
a few more pictures please
There seems to be a problem that there are no more pictures on wikimeda commons. I agree that the infobox could do with a portrait. Any way of getting more pictures?
BinarySquareRoot (talk) 09:03, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reader feedback: a few more pictures please 

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message: > In 1970, when Biggs arrived in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil did not have an extradition treaty with the United Kingdom
The same was true for the zionist entity as well. Yet, Eichmann was delivered from Brasilia to Haifa and hanged. It is obvious that Biggs was protected from very high positions within the british establishment, else the MI / SAS would have rendered him from Brasilia extraordinarily. 82.131.238.200 (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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