Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs/Archive B2

message: ===Review Spaniel article===
Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Breed grouping. Elf | Talk 05:43, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved discussions

message: Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Breed grouping. Elf | Talk 05:43, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Review Spaniel article

message: moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Categories Elf | Talk 03:46, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Dog pages footer

message: moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Categories Elf | Talk 03:46, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

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thread_title:  Categories, Cont'd.... 

message: moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Categories Elf | Talk 03:46, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  More about Categories 

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thread_title:  Non-list lists 

message: moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Categories Elf | Talk 03:46, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories (part 23)

message: Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Breed grouping. Elf | Talk 05:43, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Breeds by countries

message: MOved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Breed grouping. Elf | Talk 05:43, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dog type subcategories?

message: Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Templates. Elf | Talk 04:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Color of breed tables

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thread_title: Common Nickname

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thread_title: "No image yet" photo link

message: (And discussion on where (which articles) to include discussions of ACK vs breed clubs as authorities on breeds.)
Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Templates. Elf | Talk 04:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog Registries 

message: Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Templates. Elf | Talk 04:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Format of images in tables

message: Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Templates. Elf | Talk 04:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dog-stub template

message: Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Templates. Elf | Talk 04:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing dog stubs

message: Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Templates.  Elf | Talk 04:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Policy on Registries in table is POV

message: Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Templates.  Elf | Talk 04:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new dog breed table template - ready to go 

message: :Anyone got a preferred article from List of dog breeds?  I think it should be one with a photo, but other than that I'm easy - I'll have a look through some tomorrow to see what goodies we have. -- sannse 23:46, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Afghan Hound isn't bad although it's still a wee bit POV I think, but it does use the new thumbnail image format. Newfoundland is nice because it has more than one image and the text is a little better, but neither image uses the thumbnail format. Elf 03:34, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Alaskan Malamute, it's short but covers all the points asked for by the WikiProject.  It's also very neutral. I've changed the image to a the thumbnail format.  If not, either of those you mentioned looks good -- sannse (talk) 11:06, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That works for me. Elf 20:28, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Done -- sannse (talk) 00:06, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noticed that it doesn't use the new table markup but instead uses HTML tbl markup. Ditto with the template on this project's meta page. Which way to we want to go? Your latest sample in your sandbox uses the new markup, and that's what I've been assuming we'd go with--?  Elf 17:52, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: Yes, I think we should change over - it's purely a matter of getting round to it.  I think that's what I'll work on this evening, I've only got an hour or so though so won't get that far tonight.  I'll do the template and Alaskan Malamute first then see how far I get down the list, feel free to do any you want to of course.   -- sannse (talk) 18:51, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Sample dog article for projects project

message: There have been discussions in other areas about having main category pages that provide an index into related articles. While trying to find something earlier, I was thinking that an index/category page of dog-related articles would be a good thing to have. (We'd reference List of dog breeds in that index, not the individual breed pages.)  It could have subcategories like descriptions, activities, history, biology, sociology (I dunno, what would you call Dog adoption, animal shelter, and the like?).   Does anyone know if such a thing exists? If not, who understands Wikipedia well enough to suggest an appropriate title and/or a sample index page from some other topic area?  Elf 03:30, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, being the impatient sort, I'm already answering my own question and starting List of dog topics. :-)  Elf 05:38, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: Heh!  That "couple" I mentioned - you already found them.  Good work -- sannse (talk) 00:08, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: Dang! You mean I could've taken the afternoon off? Elf 00:20, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: More than just dog breeds

message: Hi, can we have a photo of a couple of different dogs of different breeds together to put onto artificial selection please?  preferably one big one and one little fluffy one? Duncharris 15:12, May 6, 2004 (UTC)
:I'll see whether I can arrange that some weekend while I'm surrounded by canine-type beast  things.  Mostly I do dog agility, which doesn't work well for really big breeds, so largest I'm likely to see are German Shepherd Dogs or maybe a Briard.  Other challenge is that dogs who don't know each other might not want to stand comfortably next to each other for a photo, and most dog owners tend to have only large or only small dogs.  I might be able to get a Border Collie and a Jack Russell Terrier together.  Elf | Talk 00:59, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I might have better luck if I go to a show this year - I'm not sure yet if I will, but if I do I'll look out for a good combination too.  A similar photo that would be useful is the three types of poodle together, and other images of similar situations (and I want a pony...) -- sannse (talk) 07:49, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

text: I just added :Image:IMG013biglittledogFX wb.jpg. Elf | Talk 06:59, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent Elf, that really does the job -- sannse (talk) 09:23, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Sorry, no pony, though. :-)  Wish I had a photo--last year at Agility Camp, for the costume contest, one of the attendees said she was tired of people asking whether her Great Dane was some kind of pony, so she did a completely professional job of dressing the Dane *as* a pony--matching tail and mane and a litle saddle, and that's all it took!  It was hysterical.  And I don't often get hysterical--  Elf | Talk 15:59, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, wonderful -- sannse (talk) 16:14, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for photo 

message: I didn't mean to.  I was edited the bottom section and adding to it and every time I tried to do a preview and save it kept freezing on me.  
Finally it worked, but to my horror my ammended section has REPLACE the entire article!  Can somebody reverse this FAST? Quill 01:30, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help!  Emergency!  I've messed up the DOG article! 

message: Hi all--Wikipedia is behaving very strangely for me today.
For one thing, kennel club keeps taking me into the edit this page rather than the article.
I tried to add two new articles, and for some reason the system wasn't letting me do it; now 'my contributions' looks like I've added the same article three times.
Do you see articles on conformation point and fault (dog)?   I've also got one on breed standard but for now I'm giving up in frustration.
Thanks--Quill 00:39, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You must not have made your offerings to the proper wiki gods this morning!  Indeed, I get articles for kennel club, conformationpoint, and fault (dog).Elf | Talk 03:52, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh--The Gods Must be CRAZY!!  Quill 22:08, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey!  I didn't link that title (above)--how did that happen??  This is getting Twilight Zone-ish!!  Quill 23:22, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  dog trouble 

message: Please give your thoughts on the Talk:Schnauzer page.  Thanks. Elf | Talk 02:05, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Schnauzer naming

message: I just added a couple of stubs to the List of dog topics, plus linked James Herriot.  Is this all right with everyone? Quill 01:44, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veterinarians 

message: Found articles on Crufts and (misnamed/misdescribed but now fixed) Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show. Created a stub for show dog because was on Wikipedia:Most wanted articles list. Those of you with interest/knowledge in these areas, have at.  Elf | Talk 07:34, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Show dogs and dog shows

message: I have created a subproject page, Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds/Categories to discuss the ongoing categorization of dog-related articles. Please take a look and throw in your two bits on its talk page.  Thanks.  (And you might want to add it to your watchlist; I don't think subpages go there automagically.)  Elf | Talk 03:55, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Category subproject page

message: :Category:Cat breeds and :Category:Cat types have both been marked for deletion, b/c someone thinks they should be merged. We all know they are two very different things. Could you guys please put in some votes for them not to be? Thanks. Lachatdelarue (talk) 20:39, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  need support 

message: When I saw that Shih Tzu didn't have any picture, I took a picture of my pet Shih Tzu and uploaded it to wikipedia, :Image:Shih Tzu.JPG.  However, it's not a very good picture at all quality-wise, the dog isn't standing, it was taken in my living room, the picture needs to be shrunk (its 2048x1536) and my Shih Tzu recently had a haircut so she doesn't have the long hair look Shih Tzus are supposed to.  But, if you want to put it in the Shih Tzu article go ahead, I released it into the Public Domain, I just didn't want to put it in without consulting somebody due to it's many flaws.  If you think something is better than nothing though, you got your wish :) p.s. I will try to get a better picture up but we'll see... - biggins | talk 22:48, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to go ahead and edit the picture some, and re-upload it over the original image (if that's ok) and put it in the Shih Tzu article... still haven't decided if I will put it in the breed table or not.... Lachatdelarue (talk) 23:08, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're talking about Wikipedia:List of images/Nature/Animals/Dogs, all free-distribution dog photos go here whether we use them or not. Any that aren't free (e.g., copyrighted w/no rleease, unlabeled, etc.) go on that page's Talk page with an explanation.  It's the only way of keeping track of all dog photos.  I just added the current shih tzu photo; if you upload over it, of course it will automatically redraw once you refresh the screen or clear your cache.  Or kick the computer and spill coke down its motherboard, whatever it takes.  Elf | Talk 23:21, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: I uploading the image under a different file name, and added it to the Shih Tzu's breed table, with a caption saying that it had a "summer-friendly haircut". Lachatdelarue (talk) 23:35, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Bad) Shih Tzu picture 

message: Someone has recently edited the Jack Russell Terrier article, leading to some questions:
#  What are the numbers and & for?  What do they do?
#  What is our convention for dog actors?  What I mean is, do we write
*Eddie, played by Moose, in the sitcom Frasier
*Eddie, played by Moose, in the....
*"Eddie", played by Moose,...
*"Eddie", played by "Moose"...
*Eddie, played by Moose
etc., etc, and repeated for Lassie, Rex, Maximillian, Wishbone, Asta and a whole lotta dogs I love
Quill 00:03, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The Manual of Style says that TV program names should be in italics so that bit's clear.  We don't use any special formatting for human actors names or their characters, so I don't think we need to for animals.  I'll go ahead and make these changes in the article - let me know if you disagree anyone (or just revert me of course :) -- sannse (talk) 10:04, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  JRTs and Dogs Actor Conventions and Stuff 

message: *What about moving General Strategy and Discussion forum to the top or making it like Template:Villagepumppages from Wikipedia:Village pump?
**/General talk
**/Strategy talk
**/Categories talk
**/International talk
**/Templates talk
**It will be very difficult to wath so many pages. A content would help. For example it is every time hard for me to find the participants list because I normaly use talk pages only.
**/Needs verification talk in order to have an central place to report issues 
**/Project map talk similar to a site map at homepages (maybe combined with a project status)
***Note: I linked before many different articles as Cynology, FCI, ... Normaly I do not look at other categories then dog breeds of the project. At some point in time someone should care about this articles as well.
**todos, open issues, ...
:::votes?
**requested translations, requested pictures, ...
*It should be easyly to find a place for input from other languages. Example: :nl:Stabyhoun is available with a picture and linked to :de:Stabyhound. It is missing in en.wikipedia. Same would apply with special local breeds from Japan etc.
*For newcomers it should be transparent who is skilled about what. Some have large knowledge about many of the pages of the project. How many are actualy so far? Others can just take care of technical issues (see below), some have sysop rights and so on.
::Project follows standard strategy for WikiProjects. We can add additional subcategories under General Strategy, like we added /Categories; for example, you could certainly add a /Languages subtopic.  Think of the project pages as being like articles: they're supposed to represent what we do or what we know; the talk pages for each are where we're supposed to develop ideas about what we do or how.  For example, the /Categories page should state what we DO do about categories--that is, agreed-upon strategies (although it was originally phrased as "hey, how about this?"); its talk page should be where people say, um, no, that's not right, I think we do abc--or I think we should do xyz, and then we discuss it, and then when consensus occurs, it goes ontothe /Categories page.
::Certainly we could add descriptions to each of the links for the subtopics on the main project page.  I'll do that now...
:::Oh, wow, I see what you mean. These pages are rife with discussion when they shouldn't be. Maybe they need some cleanup. Maybe I'll do that. Argh.
::Elf | Talk 00:55, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just started rearranging the material. Lots more to go. I hope it's getting clearer as I go. Elf | Talk 06:00, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Have finally moved template-related stuff from this page & talk page to /Templates subpage.  Elf | Talk 04:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  reorganisation 

message: *I would like to let you know about the usage of anchors (Wikipedia:Hyperlink) as explained in meta:Help:Link#Linking to a page. I added  at the top. Please tray and click at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds#Contents. Regards Gangleri 03:17, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)
::This is probably better than linking by subsection name, because if an editor changes the subsection name (which often happens) then the link just goes back to the top of the article, whereas having an explicit link name coded in place would more likely ensure that the link remains good. But I don't know how often we really want to be linking to things that aren't subhead-level. Elf | Talk 05:51, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anchors 

message: Much to my horror (because of how much time I already spend in wikiP ;-) ), there is a new Wikibook: Dog care.  I filled in the article on obesity and used a couple of my & sannse's breed photos as good examples--now we need examples of pathetic overweight dogs (none every show up at my agility trials, so I'll have to sneak up on my unsuspecting friends' dogs)!  Elf | Talk 18:34, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pathetically overweight.  Perhaps I could photoshop a dog's head on my body. Imagine this man were a dog.  Don't do this.The Dogfather 22:15, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Now *that* idea is pathetic. :-)  Elf | Talk 01:30, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, ha, ha!  That is funny!  On a serious note, I have never explored Wikibooks and I'm staying right away, I spend too much time here as it is. Quill 02:54, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: New dog care wikibook

message: *Dear friends, please take a look at both User:Gangleri/tests/list and User:Gangleri/tests/list (maintenance).
*It was tricky to make this Janus list as you can read at User talk:Patrick#Janus article.
*I invested so much efforts on this issue because I beleive, that information is spread over to many places. There is no immediate need to implement it because a template can be used in actual Wikimedia version only for times in an article. However this will change with version 1.4. Regards Gangleri 12:24, 2004 Nov 5 (UTC)
**Interesting. What we really would want in an ideal world is something like the little arrows or plus/minus signs next to lists in more robust user interfaces (such as Windows or Mac OS) where you click on it and it provides an expanded view of the thing you're looking at and click again to rehide the detail.  We're not asking for a lot--  ;-)  Elf | Talk 16:42, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're not kidding ' very complex'!  My brain couldn't take that second list all in.  Quill 20:56, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Janus lists of dog breeds 

message: :Moved to Talk:Poodle hybrid. Elf | Talk 05:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quality Control transitioning quickly into Poodle hybrids discussion

message: I started this article. I'm not a real expert on this subject, so any corrections & additional information would be very helpful. Go to it!  Elf | Talk 20:48, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: New [[breed registry]] article

message: Er...do we really need that gigantic blue template that FirstPrinciples has felt the need to go adding to several dog TALK pages?  Quill 21:31, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: My question is: has there really been a request for more poodle pictures?  And who is requesting them?The Dogfather 03:04, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Made no sense and I deleted it. Quill 22:19, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Yup, I've been trying to keep up the whole dog-breed-photo-project thing by listing breeds with articles but no photos at Wikipedia:Requested_pictures#Dog_breeds. I'm not doing the best job in the world at keeping that list up to date, but there ya go.  The give-me-a-photo box is an interesting addition; I don't think it's a bad idea, given that less-experienced folks might not know that we're looking for photos and that most people in the known universe don't happen upon the Requested Pictures article.  As long as it's on the talk page, it doesn't bother me. Elf | Talk 23:50, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Images 

message: :(Moved to Talk:Poodle hybrid.) Elf | Talk 05:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pooter]] 

message: They've gone and done it--rearranged their web site. All of the links in all of the breed tables to the breed standards will now return page-not-found errors.  Time to restart them all;  is probably the best place to start and then either click  Complete Breed List in the left menu or click "FSS" in the main part of the page for the not-yet-recognized breeds.  Auggggghhhh!    Elf | Talk 02:50, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone know someone who could write a robot to go thru the breeds in List of dog breeds and change the AKC links; e.g., old ones are http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/keeshon.cfm or  http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/labdoret.cfm; new ones are like http://www.akc.org/breeds/keeshond/index.cfm or http://www.akc.org/breeds/labrador_retriever/index.cfm.  I wonder whether one could extrapolate?  Elf | Talk 03:25, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't help I'm afraid; I'm a pooh-bear of no brain at all.  I saw the new AKC site and didn't even realize this would happen! A robot is like the thing in Lost in Space that says 'Danger Will Robinson!', right? Quill 20:30, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Elf | Talk 18:52, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: AKC messes us up

message: So, like when you get a moment (ha, ha) can you take a look at Talk:breeder and its article and tell me if I had a good point or not?  Quill 11:10, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Looked. See my note there. Elf | Talk 19:04, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgot to say that I say it.  Thanks! Quill 06:12, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Breeder]] 

message: Moved discussion on whether White Shepherd Dog is a separate breed to Talk:Berger Blanc Suisse.  Discussion also covers briefly the general topic of what makes a breed--for Wikipedia and in general--using poodles and cocker spaniels as additional examples. Elf | Talk 21:55, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  White Shepherds? 

message: :(Moved to Talk:Poodle hybrid.) Elf | Talk 05:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pooter]] (yes, again!) 

message: I've been meaning to ask:  I've subtitled the articles I've done on dog actors like this:  Moose (dog actor).  Do people like this or should it be "canine actor" or "dog performer" or anything else?
Quill 21:36, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I like what you've used. Canine is really not specific to dogs. And I think a "performer" would be one who worked in, say, a circus.  Elf | Talk 22:14, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming dog articles 

message: I spent hours expanding Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show and German Shorthaired Pointer so that I could point to them from current events (now). Please review--and espeically for those more familiar with linking various dog-show articles, which I'm not as familiar with.  Thanks! Elf | Talk 19:48, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Westminster and German Shorthaired Pointer

message: I have removed external links from Police dog article.  See Talk:Police dog and if you'd like to express an opinion, please do. I think that one of the 2 is seriously biased and the other is in fact a commercial site although it also has info on it.  Elf | Talk 02:14, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Police dogs external links

message: In case y'all didn't notice, there's now a project to-do list Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds/To do; I've been keeping this list on my user page but I just seem to be getting farther behind, so I've generously decided to share! Aren't I a nice person? So go there, put it on your watchlist--and feel free to add to it if  you notice other similar discrepancies that you don't have time or inclination to attack.  Elf | Talk 21:26, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ouch!  Ouch! (reacting to cracking of Elf's whip).  Okay, Okay...I'm going.  Thanks for sharing!  Quill 22:31, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New project to-do list

message: For those who don't have Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds/General on their watchlists--go there. Say something. Return to your normally scheduled program.  Thanks. :-)  Elf | Talk 14:18, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposals on article outline consistency and breed table changes

message: I'm thinking of 'moving' this stub because every time I go to link to it, I can't remember where the blasted topic is, which makes me think I didn't choose the best title in the first place.
I'm considering:
*coat (animal)
*coat (dog) - probably not good, because AFAIK this applies to cats and horses as well--probably guinea pigs and rats too, I shouldn't wonder.
*coat (animal fancy)
Or leave as is and simply engage brain before writing.
Comments and suggestions?
Related problem:  undercoat is, understandably a disambig page, but undercoat as we would understand it is listed under down hair, not the first description that would spring to my mind.  Move?
Quill 23:16, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The down hair, awn hair, and some other articles along those lines existed when I first went looking for the appropriate articles. I've never heard of "awn hair" and in fact can't find any references to that term anywhere in my references--perhaps canines don't have awn hairs.  I also wouldn't have used "down hair" as the primary article for dogs; I'd have used "undercoat".  But, as you say, some of this applies to all animals.  Still, I'd be inclined to have something like Coat (dog) and perhaps Coat (animal); if some of the info is repeated, that's fine, but I think there's a lot to say about just dog coats that doesn't apply to other animals. At least, I think of stuff often enough that I then don't know where to put.  Then we could have subsections within that article on "Undercoat" and "Topcoat" and whatever else we wanted that's specific to dogs.  I have spoken.  Elf | Talk 00:24, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move [[Coat (conformation point)]]? 

message: Hi folks.  An anon. user has just added a referance (sic) to the Rat Terrier article.  It includes links (internal and external) to Kennel Club Books, which I think is borderline advertising.  Let it slide, or VFD?  Opinions?  And do we let the external link stay in the reference?  (The reference looks legit, so does the website, although not brilliantly written.)  Quill 23:22, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope that responding doesn't mess up this page--clicking individual Edit links for subtopics here gives me random stuff that doesn't seem to correspond to the link I clicked. Something's amiss but not sure whether it's in this article or in the database or software. ANYWAY--  For formatting & policy on stuff like this, I often check the Wikipedia:Manual of Style, which has a quick list of useful style links down the side, which takes me to   Wikipedia:Cite sources, which says in part: "Cite sources (citation): provide references that help the reader to check the veracity of the article and to find more information. "  I've always thought of the references section as being a place from which info in the article came, but this definition is quite clear about *finding more info*.  So I think it's OK.  (This page also has formatting instructions for References section--and it doesn't seem to spell "copywrite" that way, either ;-). )  Elf | Talk 15:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rat Terrier 

message: I have a new Border Collie puppy. photo here with breeder (not me). Will this detract from my wikitime? I hope so. ;-)     Elf | Talk 17:25, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Does he have one blue eye and one yellow?  What are your plans for him?The Dogfather 20:01, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal note

message: I just added a new :Category:Dog law and have at the moment only 4 articles to put there. Seems to me there must be more.  Please add relevant articles to this catg. Thx.  Elf | Talk 19:07, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dog law category

message: Someone not in dog project has made suggested fmt change to the breed table standard.  Having just gone through all the breeds (twice) myself making std tweaks, I'm not inclined to take on making the changes. But does anyone object to the change itself? I think it's OK...   Elf | Talk 19:07, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Modified breed table fmt

message: Please see Talk:Terrier for discussion on consolidating lists. Elf | Talk 17:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple terrier lists

message: I've added this new category. Don't know that we really have any other articles to go there yet, but if you think of any...   Elf | Talk 21:41, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Making a note here (in the hope that I'll come across it again) to add at least a stub on English White Terrier and Smithfield. Quill 22:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Extinct dog breeds]]

message: Lately people have been adding dogs who are merely champions (although I know that's an accomplishment) to the lists of famous dogs of that breed.  It's doesn't seem to make sense for an encyclopedia to track all champions of all breeds of all time.  I've removed them.  Also
see Talk:Dobermann#What makes a .22famous.22 Dobie.  Elf | Talk 18:59, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, unless there is something else very special about this particular champion, like the winningest champeen of all time, or the dog is also a supermodel, or use of this stud dog saved the breed from extinction, or something else distinguishing....Quill 22:07, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous dogs vs champion dogs

message: I have been looking for the best place within Wikipedia to start contributing under some sort of a dog "registry OR club" heading, I like to suggest that there should be category for "breed-clubs" that could link to dogs, cats, horses, etc., AND all of their related breeding, registry, and training clubs/organizations, which is an absolute jungle that no single person can know completely. The North-American dog-registry-club-environment is relatively simple, compared to the International dog-registry-club-environment, which I tried to penetrate a few years ago (as can be seen on this page).
BTW, I found that two registry articles Breed registry AND registry do excist now, but nothing for Hundezucht. And I think that there needs to be a corrolation between the German and the English registry articles, because the international environment is so much more complicated and most of the reliable info of it will likely come from German sorces. --Rgsd 20:31, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how to approach this. What you're suggesting sounds more like a link farm, which wikipedia isn't. There are so many for each breed, and so many claims that this one or that one isn't the *real* or *legitimate* one, and so very very very many breed clubs that I recommend we don't try to list them at all.  Seems to me that putting links to fairly well-established registries under each breed's External Links section is the best way to do this.   Elf | Talk 18:31, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog Registries, continued from above

message: See Talk:List of dog fighting breeds & comment there.  Elf | Talk 18:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove [[List of dog fighting breeds]]?

message: There was just a quick move of the Bulldog article to the English Bulldog article; we (dog project) had a discussion on this topic over a year ago when we first created these pages and now I can't find it. (a) does anyone remember the discussion/can you find it? (b) please weigh in with opinions on the article name changes or other options. Thanks. Elf | Talk 23:00, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bulldog vs English Bulldog

message: Wayyyy back in the ages dark, back when Sannse was one of the main keepers of the WP dog world, she did a tremendous amount of research into dog breed names--which were the most common in English-language breed clubs and/or on English web pages, what the alternative names were, and so on. And she made a table of all of them, also indicating which group each was registered with in the various kennel clubs.  Now--I know you all wish you'd had this yesterday--but I just finished converting it from Excel to wikipedia table markup, and it's a very large table. It's now listed on this project page under subpages; may I present: Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds/Breed source list.  Elf | Talk 22:02, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Breed research table for starting/updating breed articles

message: Please help me by voting on 3 items, since all the discussions seem to be between me & one other person (sometimes no discussion at all) and I'd just like to know what others think:
*Go to Puggle vote as to whether Puggle should be a disambiguation page or a breed page (and whether Puggle should have its own article anyway).
*Go to Yorkie photo vote as to which photo should be the main photo for the breed table.
*Go to ABC headings in lists for whether we can come up with a general guideline for ABC headings in lists.
Thanks; it will be very helpful to have your opinions.  Elf | Talk 16:43, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Yorkie, puggle, breed lists

message: For anyone who's remotely interested, there's a vote for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Enzo (dog actor) based on the argument that no one cares about dog actors. Quill raises some valid points on that vote but at the moment it's only 2 SAVE votes and the rest to delete and replace with a redirect to Moose (dog actor).  Thanks.  Elf | Talk 02:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that the vote is closed and action has been taken. I'm not the most dedicated Wikipedian, but I certainly never got a chance to put my two cents in. Dsurber 02:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote for keeping [[Enzo (dog actor)]] (or not)

message: There's been a few helpful people of late who have gone through articles decapitalizing the dog breed names.   
I reverted one of them, but before I fixed Greyhound, I thought that I should check for the policy.
I don't see the issue spelled out anywhere on the dog pages, there are mentions here and there, and I recall some people like Elf mentioning it on some individual breed talk page, but I cannot figure out where it is (too many search results) - if i have to search that hard, i'm going blind or It needs to be discussed and then spelled out in a more proper place.
The wiki project tree of life and wikipedia manual of style seems to waffle on the issue of capitization of specific names, admitting that there is academic debate.    So, it's seems like it's up to us to define the dog project style guide.
From this discussion it seemed that the consensus was that all dog breed names are proper nouns and therefore we should always capitalize all parts of the dog breed name.    I infer from this that we should capitalize all breed names throughout the article, unless it is a mention of a breed type.
What I would like to ask here is to clarify the standard so that I know what to do in the future.
Example:
:*All of the pit bull breeds are highly maligned.   American Pit Bull Terriers are considered to be both pit bulls and terriers.
:*The German Shepherd Dog was one of the first dog breeds to be used as guide dogs.
I think that's a good way to do it, but I'm not attached to it.   Comments?  Tell me that it's listed somewhere and I'm smoking crack? - Trysha (talk) 08:37, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am the clod who decapitalized the Greyhounds. Since anyone can edit any article, it is going to be difficult to make them all aware of this convention. Even at goldengreyhounds.com the convention is not well followed. I will undo the damage if you like, and for sure I will not decapitalize the Jack Russells or the Italian Greyhounds. Those are easy. How about putting capitalization comments at the top of each section, so that only people who open the section for editing will see them? Chris the speller 16:30, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, you aren't a clod.   I hope you dont' feel insulted. I agree that it's impossible for everyone to know the standards besides how many editors have read the wikipedia manual of style?   probably noone.    It's just up to people on the dog project who watch all these pages to go back and fix them when they become "out of standard" and post helpful bits of info to those who want to edit them pages.   It'll work well if we pick something and stick with it. - Trysha (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Do you only capitalize the name when referring to the breed as a whole, or also when referring to one or more dogs? For instance, is it 'The Greyhound was not represented at the Chicken Chase Dog Show this year' but 'The greyhound promptly treed the intruding cat'? American Heritage Dictionary does not capitalize greyhound -- have we complained to them? Chris the speller 20:43, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breed Capitalizations - clarification and manual of style 

message: I like the little buttons but that people have in their babel boxes and, there are buttons for everything so I made a dog breed project breed button.  
If people like it, feel free to add it to your user page by adding the following to their user page:

Or, inside your babel box by increasing the number by one and adding:  "dogproject-en".
If people want to thwap me for being silly, or want to make changes - feel free :)
Oh yes, and the button is:
- Trysha (talk) 23:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, cool! I'm a sucker for this kind of stuff.  So if anyone else wants an example, you can look at my user page.  Elf | Talk 01:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  silly.  dog breed button 

message: I listed a new page about a breeder's kennel on AFD; there has been very little discussion there. There's a bit there and another comment by same user on the article's talk page. It's just been relisted because there wasn't enough feedback last time around. Please stop in and post your views.  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heidisaint Kennels.  Elf | Talk 01:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Your feedback wanted on kennel page

message: This is my day for having rethought a lot of stuff.  I don't know why. I've been working on Wikipedia now for one week short of 2 years. So why rethinking today? I dunno.  BUT I got to thinking that in fact it could be fun, interesting, and educational to know what celebrities own a particular breed of dog.  I just got to thinking about "Wikipedia is not paper" and that this info is something that people might in fact want to know about.  If we insisted that the dog breed go into the celebrities' articles, the only way to retrieve the list would be to either do a search on the breed (hoping that search is working right at the time, and wade through all the articles that AREN'T about celebrities that also would pop up), or click the What Links Here link, which isn't really an effective way of conveying that information.
I realize that having a section "Celebrity Maltese owners" or "Celebrity GSD owners" opens us up for possibly long lists--but I'm beginning to think that's not a bad thing.  But I still agree that they don't belong in the list of "Famous dogs" unless the dogs really are famous, so yes we'd need 2 sections (famous dogs & celebrity owners).
Elf | Talk 05:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah Elf, you're a girl after my own heart. :o) I have a very long list of famous people owned by Maltese (and yes, they own you, not the other way around) but I only added a few, very notable people like Elizabeth Taylor, Marilyn Monroe, Liberace, Talulah Bankhead and Elvis, to the article. Some other names were added along the way by other editors. I myself, find it very interesting to know what famous people have owned what type of dogs through the years. Of course I am particularly interested in the Maltese but it is interesting to know about other breeds owned by famous people. I know you, Trysha, Quill and others work tirelessly on this project. I will go along with the majority because I'm sure you all have put a lot of forethought into the decisions you make regarding the different breeds, but I too find this a interesting bit of trivia to add to the pages. Maltmomma (chat) 05:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing my mind sort of

message: Your input requested on vote on whether to rename the M.H. article and, if so, what.  Talk:Mexican Hairless.  Elf | Talk 17:39, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote on Mexican Hairless article name

message: Discuss template implementation issues here:  Template talk:Infobox Dogbreed. 
Discussions about what should/shouldn't be in the template should continue on the /Templates subpage talk page.  Elf | Talk 04:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrections and fixes

message: We'd like input from folks here, please, on whether to include a copy of Sam in the breed article: Talk:Chinese Crested Dog.  Thanks.  Elf | Talk 01:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote at Chinese Crested

message: Please go here to here (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yorkiepoo) to express your opinion. Thanks.  Elf | Talk 17:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please vote on deleting [[Maltipoo]], [[Yorkiepoo]], [[Schnoodle]]

message: Thanks to prompting from User:Philopedia, would like your feedback here so that we can go to town on this.  This is about adding height, weight, color, etc. to the end of the breed tables.  Thanks.Elf | Talk 06:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reviving subtemplate discussion so please review

message: Particularly those active in dog-breed project--Please stop by and offer a quick opinion on one of 3 choices for photo & caption format in the dog-breed template. Template_talk:Infobox_Dogbreed#Format_of_photos. Thanks.  Elf | Talk 18:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved votes to Template talk:Infobox Dogbreed. Elf | Talk 17:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo format opinions wanted (esp. dog-breed folks)

message: Hey, guys, there's now a breed-specific photo request template. It's generic so it can apply to cats & horses, too.   Elf | Talk 03:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New photo request template

message: Oh good lord, just when you think you're starting to get a grasp on things--there's now a concept called "Portals" which are designed to help readers plunge into wikipedia on particular directed topics.  You can read more at Wikipedia:Portal namespace and Wikipedia:Portal (which includes instructions on creating a new portal).  Some samples from which we could easily steal ideas related to the dog project include Portal:Beer, Portal:Writing, Portal:Cars.  I think it would be  a great addition to WP to add Portal:Dogs. But I'm exhausted from straightening out all the requested photo stuff.  And I'm supposed to be staying away from Wikipedia, according to my court order ;-) .  Anyone else motivated and excited about this concept?  Elf | Talk 05:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Portals. Elf | Talk 17:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it's going to take me a little time to get my head around this one...Quill 22:35, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dog portal

message: Top box:
*Title: The Domestic Dog Portal
*Content: couple of paragraphs from dog aricle intro.
*Links: To full dog article and to :Category:Dogs.
Left box #1:
*Title: Featured article
*Content: (This may vary over time, maybe monthly?. Can we pick 2 or 3 to start with that are well-done and have photos etc?)
*Links: To full article
Left box #2:
*Title: Types of dogs
*Content: Subheads and paragraphs and links like this:
:;Working dogs:Working dogs are blah blah blah as distinguished from companion dogs blah blah. <BR>Main article - Category
:Ditto for hounds, herding dogs, curs, etc. etc (see list at beginning of dog article; I think it's OK to have overlap...
Right box #1:
*Title: Featured picture.
*Content: One photo with caption. Varies over time, maybe chg monthly? (can we have some suggestions for the first couple or 3?)
Right box #2:
*Title: Related subjects (note: This is intended to cover broad topics about dogs specifically, not to reproduce all subcatgs in :Category:Dogs) in a table, like this:
Main article      	Category
Dog               	Dogs
List of dog breeds	Dog breeds
Dog health        	Dog health
Dog anatomy       	Dog anatomy
Dog behavior      	Dog behavior and training
:What else? Dog photos? Dog sports? Dogs as pets? Maybe a subportal?
Right box #3:
*Title: Wikiprojects
*Content: Link to dog project
Right box #4:
*Title: Things you can do to help
*Content: Links to project to-do list, list of wanted photos, what else?
Elf | Talk 17:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First thoughts on a portal

message: OK, I started it at Portal:Dogs.  Elf | Talk 05:32, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First stab

message: Many breeders are starting to use a COI in their puppy information.  There are a number of sites on line that explain how the COI is calculated.  If any of the contributors are vet's or have a strong biology background, I think it would be useful to have an article explaining this tool and what it means.  I can give it a shot if there is not anyone more qualified than I, but I do not have the time right now.--Counsel 17:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Joelmills is a vet who has been contributing a lot to WP. You might check in with him.  Elf | Talk 00:15, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coefficient of Inbreeding 

message: I created the article Hokkaido (dog) and hope that an expert will edit it thoroughly. Thanks Fg2 10:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hokkaido 

message: Since did this for about 5 other *poo dogs a while ago - we should do it for this one - vote again! Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Boggle (dog).  - Trysha (talk) 21:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boggle (dog) 

message: I've created the article about the Portuguese Pointer, please review it and change it according to your standards. I'll add a picture soon, since I own one. Afonso Silva 14:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese Pointer

message: My first question is: is it incorrect style to include the name of the kennel that bred the dog in the photo caption (for example Welsh Springer Spaniel)? I would interprit this as advertising, but it seems to be somewhat prevalent so I want to get conformation that it is incorrect before I start changing things. Second question: is using male pronouns (he, his, etc) to refer to the breed as a whole bad style (example Boxer temperament section). I relise that many KCs use male pronouns, but is it appropriate for Wiki? --Pharaoh Hound 14:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would not include the breeder name, that is bad form.   I would remove such as well.   I also agree with the usage of neutral pronouns.   - Trysha (talk) 20:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, I'll start changing problems that I see. --Pharaoh Hound 16:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article style questions 

message: I made some additions to Portal:Dogs and added it to the List. I'll fill in more details later. Feel free to join in. :-) Rfrisbietalk 18:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog portal update 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 23:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Just in case no one else noticed, the KC changed their site, so we'll have to fix every infobox for breeds that they accept. --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 12:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  KC (UK) website for infoboxes 

message: Seems that some folks have created Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs, we should get together and sort stuff out ;) - Trysha (talk) 20:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So far as I can tell, as one of the few members of the project mentioned above, the purpose of it is to cover all aspects of dogs, not just the breeds. This would include dog health, behavior, food, and whatnot. It may also eventually include the rest of the canine family, or at least I hope so. And, as the one adding the banners to a few articles, I think it might be the better place to propose any assessments and collaborations, given its slightly broader scope. There is no hope or intention, at least on my part, to attempt to supplant or replace this project, simply to create a project with slightly broader scope and somewhat different activities. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the two merge, but I'm not all that sure about how this project defines itself, so I think it would be more than a little presumptuous of me to propose any terms of such a merger. Badbilltucker 22:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  duplicate project