Talk:Voting at the Eurovision Song Contest

message: I don't think there is a "West Europe Block", as mentioned in the article.--90.224.50.167 15:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ireland, maybe --213.37.71.217 (talk) 08:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Voting blocs

message: The sentence "Ten jury members per country had ten points", or some variation of it, is used repeatedly in this table. This could mean either ten jury members had ten points each or ten jury members had one point each (ten points between them). As far as I am aware, it means one point each in all cases, but I do not have actual knowledge, so I would prefer if somebody who knows would fix the ambiguity.  Scolaire (talk) 09:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguous 

message: Hey all, here to help copyedit. I will be working my way through the article over the next few days and input is welcome, particularly from people with knowledge. Update: can someone with knowledge please clarify: in years during which juries distributed 10 points, could they give all 10 points to one song? Or were they required to distribute them among a certain number of songs? 1984&co (talk) 18:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In the years that 10 points were distributed, all the juries had 10 ponts in which they could share out between songs or award the entire 10 points to one song. Wes Mouse ✒ 11:05, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyediting 

message: What to do with the "Highest scores" section now that the voting system of 2016 has doubled the total number of scores? There are of course differences in the past, such as the number of voting countries varying and scoring changes prior to 1975. I feel that it is irrelevant to show results from pre-2016 and 2016-onwards in the same table. Does anyone want to add a comparable quantity, like percentage of total votes to the table? Just split into two tables? Just add a text note in the section? ErikM (talk) 11:46, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I added percentages for the songs listed. Someone more ambitious could compute for all years and make another table with the top-five based on percentage. ErikM (talk) 18:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest scores 

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message: Hey guys. im not an editor so please be kind.
I found out that the article is missing some data about tie breakers.
Since 2016 in case of combined points tie, the tie winner will be country that received more points from the Televote (National Audience).
Only if they receive the same amount of points from televote, it will go as it's written in the article.
You can see it here:
https://eurovision.tv/about/rules?fbclid=IwAR0biu2Oa779iONz_1wKveHzhjDoLJLQ9lUcKHCPWqDtq8PK-WG7ZDVFwH4
Section 3.2
I noticed this when i asked myself why in ESC2019 Slovenia finished before France.
By wiki's rules France should be higher because they received points from more countries than Slovenia (24-20). but apparently it's the televote that got Slovenia to be higher.
also, i don't see any mention about running order in a tie situation.
Beigale (talk) 10:06, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong tie breaker rules in the article. 

message: I don't think these things should be grouped in the tables, because they are separate participations so they should be listed separately, and these tables aren't sorted by country name or something anyway. It also makes the table look untidy. I actually thought that removing them would be uncontroversial but apparently people keep adding it back and I don't understand why. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 14:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that they shouldn't be grouped. For whatever reason, I've found many unregistered users to be obsessed with grouping things in tables in many articles, not just this one. It doesn't make it right. Grk1011 (talk) 18:25, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grouping identical country names in tables 

message: Why is it the Top 11 and not the Top 10? Europe2016 ~ talk ~ Eurovision 07:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right; removed the one at the bottom. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:16, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Ten Jury Highest Scores 

message: I am proposing that the opening paragraph be rewritten along the following lines:"The winner of the Eurovision Song Contest is selected by a positional voting system. The basic principles involved are that (i) for each set of votes cast, songs are awarded 12, 10, or from 8points down to 1point in descending order of popularity; (ii) a set of votes is determined either by a national televote or "jury" of industry professionals; and (iii) no nation may may vote for itself. For the 2023 contest, in each semi-final participating countries will cast one set of votes decided on the basis of a televote alone, then in the final each country will cast two sets of votes, as determined by a jury and independent televote."The rationale for this is that in articles on individual contests (e.g. 1996) the basic voting system is explained at length, often with several descriptions of the way points are distributed within the same article. This not only inflates the size of articles, but distracts from any discussion of what was specific to the contest in a particular year. The obvious solution would be to be able to say (e.g.) "points were awarded according to the standard voting procedure". However, as it stands at present, I do not feel the opening paragraph explains enough to be able to do this, and it's difficult to pick out the most salient points from the remainder of the article due to its sheer length.Any comments or suggestions, please!!
(Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 17:56, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to rewrite the lead paragraph for this article, then I don't see anything stopping you. One point I would raise is that your use of numbered bullet points in prose is quite jarring for me, it doesn't read particularly well and I would suggest a rewrite of this in particular to make it all prose. As for your overall rationale, I'm not sure how this has any bearing on what is included in this or other articles or the level of detail within the yearly articles. In my mind it makes sense to have a full explanation of the voting system used in each year's contest on those articles in particular, with a link to this article if the reader wants to have a read into the changes over time. I believe this has also been backed up through the WP:GA reviews that have been conducted, but always happy to discuss if there are any further changes that may be beneficial. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed revision of opening paragraph

message: Important info missing. How much of the total points were decided by jury vs televoting? This data would be easily accessible, but is missing in the article. Depeli (talk) 18:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentage of jury vs tele points