Talk:Pope Paul VI

message: To anyone's knowledge, is there information explaining in more detail the breakneck speed in which the diocese of Milan was able to gift a completely newly designed tiara for Paul VI's coronation on 30 June 1963 (i.e. within nine days of his election to the seat of St. Peter)?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.122.53.113 (talk) 20:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: For one thing, John XXIII passed away on 3 June, so that's an extra 27 days when everyone knew there would be a new Pontiff. Also, was there something unique and bespoke about the tiara that said they custom-designed it for that person? Or was it just a newly designed tiara that had been knocking around for a while and awaiting the occasion? For all we know, it could've been intended for John and they missed their chance. But I would imagine that tiara designers are more proactive than waiting for a conclave and election. Elizium23 (talk) 20:59, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

text: I don't know the answer to your questions. Nobody really knows unless we have reliable secondary sources that would document minutiae like this, it has no place on Wikipedia, or really, even this talk page. Elizium23 (talk) 02:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Papal election on 21 June, and coronation on 30 June 1963 

message: A new map has been added to this article - [File:Foreign trips of Paul VI.svg]. 
The previous map had four errors per a 19 January 2011 note left on the previous map's Discussion page
:: * The first two are rather confusing.  You may want to read the Wikipedia article on Bangladesh for further clarification.  In 1970, Pope Paul VI visited the city of Dacca, Pakistan.  However Dacca is now Dhaka and is the capital city of Bangladesh.  When the Pope visited Dacca, it was located in the part of Pakistan that was then known as East Pakistan. After the Bangladesh Liberation War in 1971, East Pakistan broke away from Pakistan and became the seperate nation of Bangladesh.  Therefore, Pakistan should NOT be colored yellow on this map and Bangladesh SHOULD be colored yellow.
:: * Jordan was visited by Pope Paul VI in 1964.  It SHOULD be colored yellow.
:: * France was NOT visited by Pope Paul VI during his papacy.  It should NOT be colored yellow." 
The new map [File:Foreign trips of Paul VI.svg] corrects the above errors.  A special "thank you" to User:Golden for creating the new map.  Mtminchi08 (talk) 00:51, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New map added 

message: In Paul VI: The Pope in the Tempest, there are some mentions that may be interesting for this article. Can you find references for them?
* Montini has a study group of French philosophers with students such as Aldo Moro who would later found the Christian Democracy. The article says "a friend of Paul VI's from his FUCI student days", but it is the only mention to FUCI in the article. He later counsels the party leaders. The article should mention more of his involvement with the DC and DC personalities.
*He bounds with Pius XII(?) over Brescian dialect. Should the article mention the dialect?
*The article does not mention The Gates of Heaven. According to :it:La porta del cielo:
::e ad ottenere dal responsabile del progetto, il sostituto Giovan Battista Montini, che fosse veramente scritturato come regista De Sica 
:How involved was Montini in the film?
--Error (talk) 12:35, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pope in the Tempest 

message: Pope Paul VI was born around 10:00 PM (21:00 GMT) on the 26th Sunday of Ordinary Time, 26 September 1897, and died at 9:41 PM (19:41 GMT) on Sunday, a Feast of the Transfiguration of the Lord of 1978. Birthtimes and deathtimes are important because the difference of timezones. The standard timezone of Wikipedia is GMT, not including DST.
189.98.244.242 (talk) 13:27, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthtime of Pope Paul VI and his deathtime 

message: I am not sure why it would be more remarkable that Kennedy was the first Catholic US president that Paul VI had met with, rather than Kennedy being the first Catholic US president, period full stop. The comment in there is disruptively insisting that editors not touch it, yet there was no discussion or consensus here on the talk page. Elizium23 (talk) 11:11, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, amusingly it was I who wrote the comment in the first place. So I reserve the right to change my mind, 2 years on. Elizium23 (talk) 11:15, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Catholic president 

message: At the moment, in the article introduction we mention:
"His positions on birth control, promulgated famously in the 1968 encyclical Humanae vitae, were often contested, especially in Western Europe and North America. The same opposition emerged in reaction to the political aspects of some of his teaching on.."
Yet in this article, in the section on that encyclical, we say:
"The reaction to the encyclical's continued prohibitions of artificial birth control was very mixed. In Italy, Spain, Portugal and Poland, the encyclical was welcomed. In Latin America, much support developed for the Pope and his encyclical. As World Bank President Robert McNamara declared at the 1968 Annual Meeting of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank Group that countries permitting birth control practices would get preferential access to resources, doctors in La Paz, Bolivia called it insulting that money should be exchanged for the conscience of a Catholic nation. In Colombia, Cardinal archbishop Aníbal Muñoz Duque declared, "If American conditionality undermines Papal teachings, we prefer not to receive one cent"."
So why when giving a summary of the article on this issue, do we only highlight that it was "contested" by the United States and its, in some cases literally militarily occupied proxies in Western Europe and not the support it recieved in Latin America and Catholic Europe? Torchist (talk) 23:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Humanae vitae in intro doesn't match article content