Talk:List of Frasier episodes

message: I don't really care to get involved in a revert war here, but there is a reason why not everything on any given page is made a link, particularly when 98% of them are red. Right now there are three links to existing articles, and one of them at least is losing its fight for survival on VfD. I don't think we need to encourage others to write more of these, certainly not until it's settled what the policy will be. Deleting these as links still makes it possible for a person to write these articles, but less likely for them to. Anyone who is going to let the lack of a dead link prevent them from writing such an article is highly unlikely to write one of quality. If someone writes an article on I Hate Frasier Crane, they can turn it into a link when they're done. But they shouldn't be surprised if it immediately ends up on VfD or merged with this list.
See discussion at Wikipedia talk: Deletion policy. -R. fiend 15:26, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: There is in fact a very good reason why I put the 2-line thumbnail descriptions (which I have tried very hard to make sure do not contain any spoilers) here, as opposed to simply writing stub episode pages. That way, if someone wants to find the name/season for a particular episode they remember the plot for, they can simply look down this list, as opposed to clicking on (eventually) close to 200 separate links. So please do not remove these short descriptions!. Noel (talk) 16:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to the two seasons I just uploaded (4-5), I also have most of seasons 3 and 6 done, and will upload them shortly, as soon as I have added the last few episodes. I haven't yet started on 1-2, but plan to do them at some point, unless someone else does them first. Noel (talk) 16:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode thumbnails

message: Evening folks.  It is my intention to reformat this article from a big list, to a more organized table.  During this process, some information may be temporarily gone.  Do not fear though, I will have the original article (as of tonight) stored on my user page, HERE --WBredefeld 04:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a problem with the info being reformatted into a more user-friendly form, but, please make sure that the thumbnail episode descriptions are available as a list somewhere; as I explained above, the whole concept is to have a list of them on one page so it's easy to scan down the list and find the episode one is looking for. Noel (talk) 20:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Since nothing has happened on this project in a month, I'm going to add the thumbnails back in. Feel free to move them out if/when you return to working on this project. Noel (talk) 20:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major reformatting

message: First things first: The target of the merge proposal are the season articles of course, but I added it here for more visibility. The more appropriate name of the "merge" proposal is also actually "redirect" proposal, since there is often nothing to merge. Picking any random Frasier episode article will demonstrate that they consist of a plot summary (already part of the season articles), Episode Title Cards (no encyclopedic relevance), Memorable Quotations (should be removed, because this is wikipedia, not wikiquote), occasionally unsourced Trivia (both trivia and lack of sources is bad), and some articles have been notability-tagged since March 2008. I checked out some episodes on Google News/Books/Scholar, and while some websites come up, they seem to just mention the episode names in the form of episode guides. I am going to wait one or two weeks for someone to propose what else should be done with these articles, otherwise, I am just going to redirect those episode articles that don't have a claim of notability (e.g. Emmy wins and noms) or sufficient real-world information. – sgeureka t•c 14:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At least Out with Dad and Something Borrowed, Someone Blue were nominated and won a WGA award, as such are notable episodes, suggest restore. feydey (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have proposed a bunch of Emmy-winning Frasier episodes for merger before and never got a reply (i.e. I will likely merge them soon, and Emmys are worth more than a WGA Award). Sure I can restore the two articles you mentioned (and I will if you request so). You can also just apply the WP:BRD cycle and revert my bold merger, although I will then propose the merger, wait a few months for replies that I will never get, and merge the episodes just the same, so I skipped following procedure per WP:IAR. – sgeureka t•c 22:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote the suggestion to make You note that some of the episodes are actually notable, so the next redirects get more attention. Good work so far (except these two). feydey (talk) 22:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My brain is starting to do funny things this late at night. I'll restore the two articles next thing in the morning and will open a merge discussion for all award-nominated/-winning eps from now on. (I had accidently missed the WGA award for the first ep, but I had merged the WGA note for the second ep). – sgeureka t•c 23:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of episodes 

message: Keep my references.  Many find them interesting, and they are very significant.  I put a lot of time and effort into these articles. - Mdriver1981 (talk) 22:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as you do not provide reliable sources (reviews from regarded critics, or producer commentary) for the historical and cultural references, the things you added are original research and can't be included on wikipedia. Significance is in the eye of the beholder, but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frasier's Curse (2nd nomination) has established that Frasier episodes do not have sufficient significance for inclusion in wikipedia, so the references have even less significance. Please also read WP:INTERESTING and WP:EFFORT. – sgeureka t•c 22:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not interested in your award ceremonies.  If one wants clarification on my factual data, simply click on a keyword and the article will have references aplenty. - Mdriver1981 (talk) 06:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical and cultural references 

message: List of Frasier directors is a derivative mess of the episode list. It consists of just names and amount of work by directors. I don't know why it was created in 2007, but it longer serves purpose. This type is also discussed in WP:village pump (policy)/Archive 104#List of... writers/directors/etc. --George Ho (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge list of directors? 

message: It seems like some utter turnips may have written this page, as the colour beside each season in the table is wrong. And not just like one or two of them are wrong, but every single one. For the record, as copy/pasted from iMDB, the order of season colours for Frasier is blue, pink, green, purple, yellow/white, brown, yellow/orange, bright/neon green, orange, silver, and gold. Hell, five seasons in the Wikipedia list are different shades of blue! If I have the energy I will fix this myself, with a little bit of colour swatching from the show since every entry needs an RGB code, but this cannot be guaranteed as I'm very ill. And whether I'm up to the task of fixing this myself or not bears no relevance on the fact it badly needs fixing. On the other hand some seasons do use a gradient rather than solid colour so there will need to be a wee smidgen of good judgement above and beyond using the colour swatch tool to pick the correct colour from the title cards. But really, even a terrible effort at this would be streets ahead of the current nonsensical mess we have. 95.144.3.176 (talk) 14:33, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh dear, I just realised... some poor sap has made every colour, not just on this page but the individual season pages, the same colour as the predominant colour of the American DVD season box art. I'm guessing they just assumed that every DVD box set, which do come in a variety of colours, had the correct colour for every season rather than for none of the seasons. I feel a bit bad for them now, actually... they must have put so much work into this without ever verifying that the predominant DVD case colour of each season was actually each season's proper colour, and that's an entirely reasonable assumption to make, but sadly it's also entirely wrong. None of these DVD case colours match the proper colour of each season, only seen in the title credits. That DVD box art probably got done by one of the less talented, or just less motivated, interns. It's very sad that the DVD box art is so misleading, but ah well, it's not like we can go back in time and tell likely unpaid interns to actually care about their menial tasks. However, it does mean that Wikipedia needs a complete bloody overhaul to fix every single Frasier season colour, on a cornucopia of pages. Now I might've had the energy to tackle this list on this page later today but I highly doubt I'll also be able to run through each season's individual pages, which also all use the incorrect colour schemes. We got a real mess to clear up here, guys. Like a "John Candy gets gastric upset after eating an entire Tex-Mex tasting menu" mess... it's unpleasant to see, let alone clear up, but one of us is gonna hafta bite the bullet here. 95.144.3.176 (talk) 14:46, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Completely wrong colours in the season table at the top