Talk:Camel (cigarette)

message: I just googled this to see why kamel red originals are different than the new Kamle red blend. All i wanted was information, not an anti smoking ad. I made my choice, let me smoke.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.160.34 (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

message: Someone has added a picture of Mexican "Dromedary" cigarettes and passed it off as an old picture of Camels. These were a knock-off brand that capitalized on the iconic packaging of Camels. Interestingly, the Dromedary package shows a Bactrian Camel whereas genuine Camel Cigarettes have a picture of a Dromedary. This is the type of thing you would expect to see in the background of an old Merrie Melodies cartoon. It seems the picture has remained for a long time and I will not touch it myself as it stands as a testament to the reliability and accuracy of Wikipedia.  70.169.14.56 (talk) 16:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Clever Troll

message: The link in the first paragraph of the 'History' section takes one not to any image, but to what I think is a 404 page (it's in German) featuring an elderly woman flipping the viewer the bird. Is this a prank, or what?168.215.249.176 (talk) 23:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad link? 

message: WTF indeed----I grew up in Winston-Salem, the "Camel City", went to RJ Reynolds High School and numerous members of my family worked at RJR way back in the begining---back then MOST folks in town did.  But never ever had I heard about a guy with an erection in the Camel's foreleg (his name is Old Joe btw)on the package. I do not now nor have I ever smoked.  But just to verify this really weird story I went to a store and asked to see a package of Camel cigarettes. I looked and looked.  I can only say that a person would have to be really really eager to see a man with an erection to see one on the Camel package. Only by the wildest stretch of the imagination can one see a guy period, much less one with an erection. It's the daftest thing I've ever heard.  I thik this is just wishful thinking on some fool's part.  69.154.219.220 20:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My father smoked Camel and poited this little guy out to me when I was a kid. He didn't say anything about the guy urinating, hough. Maybe that's something the Belgians saw in it. :) DirkvdM 09:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  urinating man wtf? 

message: Why was the photograph highlighting the image of the little guy removed (be he urinating or not)? Many words are needed to describe this and people may till not notice it. But an image shows it instantly and is therefore preferable. Admittedly, it was a lousy image, but it was still better than none. DirkvdM 08:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image of little guy

message: This should be used for the article illustration. The front has the one-hump dromedary camel with palm trees and a couple of pyramids, the back has a minaret-bearing city, and this slogan:
“Don't look for premiums or coupons, as the cost of the tobaccos blended in CAMEL Cigarettes prohibits the use of them”
This is the single most familiar face of Camel cigarettes. Anyway, it shows the camel that so many say they can see something in, in the article. The reader might like to look himself.2601:647:5800:3B60:9091:B4DD:6155:D2CC (talk) 02:38, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Original pack

message: I have removed :Category:Cigarette brands from this article because :Category:R.J. Reynolds brands is a sub-category of the former.  It defeats the purpose of having this subcategory if we're going to list the articles in both.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of "Cigarette brands" category 

message: The photographs of ALL tobacco products should be removed from Wikipedia because it is letting a deadly product be advertised for free, which is morally and ethically wrong. Tobacco kills millions of people each year. It is not necessary at all to have pictures of these products on Wikipedia, and if people are searching for pictures of tobacco products, then they can use a search engine or the tobacco companies website, not Wikipedia. Please do not let photos/pictures of tobacco products be placed on Wikipedia. I am removing the photographs from this page. Thanks, Gillies corner 00:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I don't want to start a flame war here, so please don't take this as that. I'm not even a smoker, but including "Chemicals in a cigarette" and "List of additives in cigarettes" in the See Also section seems completely non-NPOV. What do these articles have to do -specifically- with the Camel brand of cigarettes? It just seems like a political statement. Again, I'm not a fan of smoking. But I can't imagine tolerating a See Also link to "Vicitims of Drunk Driving" on an article about red wine, either. Thoughts? SlapAyoda 08:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about linking to "Chemicals in wine"?  The links are not to "Victims of a cigarette in the eye".--In1984 09:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hah Hah,  I am not allowed to comment on the NPOV thing - everyone knows I used to work for these guys and I'll get a lot of flack...   You must beleive that I and certain other posters really do worry about the NPOV thing but certain facts must be corrected when they are outright wrong. --Mrtobacco 14:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? 

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replies: text: This is the wrong place to post this.  The image is an integral part of this article and should not be unfairly deleted. I will try to correct it myself - do not delete it please and don't nominate!  --Put that in your pipe and smoke it 15:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:LST-266 Camel ad.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:LST-266 Camel ad.jpg

message: "It generally has a darker, browner smell to the smoke."
I thought brown was a color... 67.180.15.227 (talk) 07:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Browner smell"? 

message: After the World War II, this american cigarette was used as a form of money, in Germany and in many other parts of Europe.Only in late 1948, the use of cigarettes as a money, was over in Europe.Agre22 (talk) 04:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This cigarette was also used, as kind of money

message: Yeah, well you people are endangering children. Each and every article on tobacco in wikipedia needs a "Surgeon General's Warning" concerning the known and scientific facts: tobacco causes sickness and death and is addictive. Children are accessing wikipedia to do their homework, exploring this content, and being reassured by the absence of any indication to the contrary that "tobacco is safe".
Murderers!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.82.33.202 (talk) 05:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But Wikipedia is neutral, and to put a message like that is anything but neutral. 83.67.39.175 (talk) 23:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

text: The comment is almost 10 years old, I really doubt that the anon editor is going to see this. Greyjoy talk 06:43, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Endangering children

message: Embarrassingly Basic Error ("C-NOTE")-------------
The article says: "(C-Note = 5 US cents)"
That's ridiculous. Any American over the age of 8 knows a "c note" is a $100 bill. C, like the Roman numeral for 100... like the English prefix "centi-" (also from the Latin/Roman). So the claim in the article is off by 2000%. 
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thread_title: C-note

message: The article needs to cite a bit more about the Turkish theme. Tobacco came from the US, however, cigarettes came from Turkey. Around the later half of C19 so-called Turkish cigarettes, mostly exported from Egypt, were marketed in many European countries. Turks had invented cigarettes during the Crimean War, as way to use old cigar butts, and to economize on scarce tobacco. The British took the invention back home. In 1913 cigarettes still had a middle-Eastern image, and that is probably the reason for the Camel name.
Having articles about cigarette brands is fine by me, provided that they contain useful historical information. For example, Rothmans brand, and the aprtheid controversy during the 70s and 80s deserves its own article.
One must guard against the self-righteous and the self-appointed from parasiting their ideas into  genuinely written articles. This is Sh*tipedias greatest weakness.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.29.140.197 (talk) 01:34, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish and Egyptian Theme 

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message: on the list tof brands it leaves out Camel Reds and Camel Red Lights.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.190.111.211 (talk) 09:31, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Camel Reds 

message: I vaguely remembered that back in the 1940's I heard this slogan on radio. I did a search and found confirmation. I am sure the slogan got adverse public reaction and was withdrawn. Scott Tillinghast, Houston TX (talk) 05:49, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to include that in the article. --Laber□T 21:56, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Why do more doctors smoke Camels?" 

message: Lots of info on radio sponsorships for Chesterfield and Lucky Strike here, but not Camel, which sponsored Benny Goodman and Bob Crosby, as well as, numerous comedy shows in the 30s.  The adverts stressed smoother, slower-burning, finer tobaccos, and frequently mentioned they were good for soothing nerves and relaxation.  Slower-burning meant longer-lasting and hence less expensive, which, it was pointed out, also meant paying less in taxes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.26.8 (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio adverts 

message: I'm a little confused about why this line: "Winston-Salem, North Carolina, the city where R.J. Reynolds was founded, is nicknamed "Camel City" because of the brand's popularity", is in the middle of this page's history section. It doesn't really seem to fit in the flow of the section, since no point in time is given for its occurrence (certainly it wasn't between 2005 and 2012, the two dates the statement lies between in the article). It seems to me that this statement should be moved to a new section (Cultural References?), or removed from the article. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 21:07, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the nickname comment to the opening paragraph.GiovanniSidwell (talk) 15:44, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winston-Salem nickname part of Camel cigarette's history? 

message: I don't think that Camel Crush meets WP:GNG, and in any case its a tiny, unreferenced stub. Still, it probably warrants some mention here (, , and there is a bit more on the Bold subbrand like ).  Also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camel Crush was closed as keep few years back. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it should be merged.  A 524-character stub does not need its own page. Otherwise, there might as well be a separate page for every variety of Marlboro. Just my 2¢. 
17.255.233.9 (talk) 19:02, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

text: I looked at the history of it to see if this is some sort of attempt to delete an article by removing the contents then asking for a merge, but no, it appears to have always been a stub.  I suspect that it's not impossible that enough material to justify a full article could be found, but given the number of years, that seems unlikely.  Merge.  XeroxKleenex (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Camel Crush]] 

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message: T-zone redirects here, but there is no reference to it in the article. Koro Neil (talk) 12:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  T-zone 

message: The History section says that Reynolds "innovated the packaged cigarette. Prior cigarette smokers had rolled their own". Really?
There are tons of earlier ads for rolled cigarettes, mentions in books and newspapers etc. The 19th century saw several cigarette rolling machines invented and used (I can't find an article about the machines but they are mentioned in eg James Albert Bonsack who developed his machine in 1880). I haven't been able to check the source given, but you could certainly buy rolled cigarette well before 1913. -- Hexmaster.se (talk) 08:08, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  First packaged cigarette?