Talk:Rebbe

message: There is lot of picking on Chabad - not as much on Breslov but still too much - in the "Usage" part of the article, do you know how many groups of polish chosidim (or hasidim as wikipedia pefers) got wiped out in the world wars!?! But have their chosidim still following them (which most would of passed away by now). While you are at it why don't you state the Germara that say the followers of Rebbi (Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi) still followed him after his death!?! And where it goes in an arguement if Rebbi's family fulfilled their obligation of Kiddush when after Rebbi's death, Rebbi would come and make Kiddush for them. The Germara's conclusion (after many pages of argueing) is that they do fulfill their obligation, I don't want to misquote the Germara and as it isn't in front of me, I'll get the Germara where this arguement is found to quote it if anyone asks for it, if no one asks for it and I remember the next time I have it in front of me, I'll quote it. In fact there should be peace in all sections of the world.
So please stop picking on certain people/groups, because clueless people that write books/websites to make baseless hatred aganist these people/groups that they know so little about such as, what christians claim the Talmud to be...
:Every article is a work in progress, and you are free to modify it. If you feel a section is biased, please change it. That's how a wiki works. Your aggressive edit summaries (and your tone above) are not very helpful. Bringing in unrelated arguments is also not constructive. JFW | T@lk 18:26, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am accully in the middle of editing about 5 page a lot to remove the anti content without adding zelousness and adding in more detail in the best way possible... I accully posted this before I submitted my edit... and for my edits I was going to say "see talk page"... anyway it might be awhile before I submit all the edits as I have many I am in the middle of working on (yea I am one of those guys working on too many projects at once, and sometime submitting in part 2 before part 1). 220.233.48.200 18:57, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chabad

message: I hestitate in general to use the term infallibility, and even more so to use the term heresy.  The article gives the impression that Chassidim believe that their Rebbeim are superhuman, and that it is literally heretical to believe otherwise.  While that sociologically may not be far from the truth, it is literally false. Moses himself was fallable.  While the general belief is that his failings were so small that were we to "fail" in the way that he "failed," it would be to our credit, it nonetheless remains true that Moses was human.  Chassidim are bound by Torah law from ascribing to their Rebbeim powers greater than Moses himself had. Therefore, it is impossible for them to believe that their Rebbeim are infallible. Rather, Chassidim believe that for all intents and purposes, the Rebbe cannot fail.  
Furthermore, heresy is a very specific legal concept in Jewish law.  It is a great disprespect to doubt one's Rebbe's greatness, but it cannot be "heretical." Nonetheless I did not edit those statments, because as a sociological matter, they at least appear to be true. 
However, I removed the list of Chassidim that have a lesser or a greater "devotion" to their Rebbe's "infallibility." First of all, ther are no sources for the list that was provided. Second, I don't even know that the list is accurate on any level.  Third, it is not complete. Finally, and most importantly, devotion to the Kabbalistic notions like "Tzaddik HaDor" (a term, by the way, that never appears in Kabbalistic literature) depends entirely on the Rebbe's adherence to these notions. It isn't like some Chassidic Rebbes are weaker as leaders and therefore are not viewed as "infallible" with respect to other Rebbeim.
I think that the inclusion of Satmar in the list was particularly wrong: Many Satmar Chassidim did not accept that R' Moshe Teitelbaum was the Satmar Rebbe, causing them to doubt his leadership. That's not the same thing as being less devoted to the infallibility of their Rebbe: They simply rejected that the "Satmar Rebbe" was their Rebbe. Furthermore, the current conflict (see the Satmar page) has everything to do with what the Satmar Rebbbe wants! The Ahronis say that the Satmar Rebbe wantes R' Aharon to be Rebbe, but that he is feeble and therefore being manipulated by people in his inner circle.  The Zollies say that the Satmar Rebbe wants R' Zalman Leib to be Rebbe, and that he is totally lucid.  There is no aspect of non-devotion here.  Merely, both sides claim that they are the most devoted, and that the other side is manipulating the facts. However, this subject pains me much, and i fear I have already said too much.
--Meshulam 16:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greater and lesser devotion to a Rebbe's "infallibility." 

message: There's very little information about this position or title other than a list of all the various instances of it.  Therefore I have flagged it a stub.  Falcon 15:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub 

message: Skverr -boro park and skverr-flatbush are not mentioned in skverr.
so if anyone knows the information, please edit it.
gevaldik! 16:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They have been added to Skver (Hasidic dynasty). -- -- -- 01:47, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skverr 

message: What is the story with Karlin?  Just because the Karliner Rebbe doesn't like pictures does that mean his picture should not be here?  There is a picture of the Viznitz-Monsey Rebbe on the article about Viznitz.  This is an encyclopedia and I feel that pictures do belong here.  The question I have is does the information about Pinsk-Karlin, or for that matter Skver Boro Park, belong here?  There needs to be some guidelines about this page.  On the list of Viznitzer Rebbes there is no mention of Seret Viznitz.  That is mentioned in the actual Viznitz article, and I think the same should be sufficient with Karlin and Skver.  I would like to hear some feed back on this.  Itzik18 19:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture of the Karlin-Stoliner Rebbe really adds nothing to this article. They belong, if anywhere, in an article on that dyansty.     Redaktor 19:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karlin 

message: The intro, which I reproduce here, is out of place.
Rebbe which means master, teacher, or mentor is the pronunciation by Ashkenazic Jews of the Hebrew word "רבי". Its transliteration should be Rebbi, but the "i" (eeh sound) is rarely stressed, rendering its pronunciation as the "a" in "America", hence Rebbe. In modern Hebrew (as used in Israel), which uses the Sephardic dialect, it would be pronounced as "Rabbee".
This is very interesting, but absolutely thing to do with the use of the Yiddish word rebbe רבי which, although derived from the Hebrew word רבי, is nevertheless a distinct word (being in a different language!)
Redaktor 19:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Introductory paragraph

message: The section Rebbes of different dynasties seems totally out of place here. Can anyone provide a good rationale for putting these lists in this article? They would be placed better under the individual dynasties. Redaktor 19:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I have made a start. Before deleting a section I am making sure that the material is present in the article on the relevant chasidus.  Redaktor 20:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Great start - will look even better after the deletions, or maybe just a reference to the articles listing all the dynasties and all the rebbes (forget which articles those are). --ChosidFrumBirth 21:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: We can certainly list all rebbes, but please don 't confuse rebbe with dynasty (שושלת); the latter refers to a chain of rebbes. --Redaktor 00:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Catalogue of dynasties

message: I am reverting the edits made, no doubt with the best of intentions, by  user 68.39.3.5. The word kvitl is normally spelt קוויטל; even those who spell it קוויטעל pronounce it kvitl. The word kvitelach is not Yiddish at all, but Yeshivish (see my user page). - Redaktor 10:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Functions carried out by Rebbes 

message: The article currently includes the sentence, His followers would address him as "the Rebbe" or refer to him when speaking to others as "the rebbe".  I may be a verkakte goyische wikipedian, but shouldn't that be followers would address him as "Rebbe"?  Nobody keeps the article in direct address (except when Strong Bad says, "Thar she blows, The Cheat").  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.89.229 (talk) 18:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it means that people addressed him in the third person, as one does to a very important person, and therefore kept the article.  -- Zsero (talk) 18:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, like saying, "Would the Rebbe like a cup of tea?" instead of "Would you like a cup of tea?".  This discussion would be clearer in Latin, where we could distinguish the nominative case from the vocative.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.89.229 (talk) 18:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello, the Rebbe! 

message: when you search for rebbe in general or you google it the lubavitcher rebbe will come up so when you wikipedia rebbe i think the picture should be the lubavitcher rebbe!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.28.138.117 (talk) 21:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[the rebbe]] 

message: Could someone knowledgeable rewrite this section (Rebbe#Distinctions between Rebbe and Rav)? It's got extra words in it, apparent restatements, and confusing language such that it's hard to understand clearly the distinction it's trying to draw (or I would re-write it myself :) ). My guess is that it's trying to say that a Rav is an authority on Halacha alone, while a Rebbe is authoritative not only on Halacha, but all spiritual matters, and life in general. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:23, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  E.g. what is "sprouting Chasidim"?--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 12:42, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinctions between ''Rebbe'' and ''Rav'' 

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