Talk:Greens (Montenegro)

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message: I am against recent edits and renaming of this article. The previous title version is extensively used in sources on English and renaming should first gain consensus, which is also valid for recent significant changes.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "Greens" is also extensively used in sources and actually in English. -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 16:48, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Tomasevich 2001 uses 'Greens (Zelenasi)' then Greens from then on p. 138), Roberts 1973 uses 'Zelenasi or "Greens"' p. 24, Tomasevich 1975 uses 'Montenegrin separatists or Greens (zelenasi)' p. 209, Milazzo 1975 uses 'Zelenasi (green) movement' p. 43. No consensus between key sources that I can see, although I take your point about English, 'Greens' is not what I would search for if I was looking for an article on the Zelenasi. In English, 'Greens' usually refers to the political movement or a particular colour of vegetable... Peacemaker67 (talk) 23:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I think that PRODUCER should revert himself and follow regular renaming procedure if he still believes the article should be renamed.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:56, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Again both terms are in use, but one is actually in English. Under WP:ENGLISH, "Greens" should take preference and in Google book hit tests "Greens" scores about 2,800 results  whereas "Zelenasi" gets about 260 results . "Greens", like other colors, can refer to a number things and this is why disambiguation pages exist. -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 00:10, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of the hits for "greens" are refering to the political movement Green politics not to Zelenasi.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 00:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Many? I only found perhaps one or two hits that were not referring to these Greens in the first five pages. -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 00:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Look further. After first ten pages almost all hits refer to Green politics. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 00:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I guess it boils down to just English usage and common usage. -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 01:00, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I Just want to mention that The zelenasi were not serbs or serbian they were montenegrins "against the unification of the kingdom of montenegro and serbia",and "at the least to be an independent "Republic" in the unification". "They were loyal only to King Nikola", and not to Karađorđević. "Krsto Zrnov Popovic had gone to Argentina for a period of time awaiting a return to strengthen the zelenasi in an uprising, which he was betrayed by some of his own people and ambushed and killed.  Zelenasi, balkanskih ratova (1713-1947),2011, page 242 Posteni-Crnogorac (talk) 21:58, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: Tomasevich (1975, p.209 and 2001, p. 138), Roberts p. 24 and West all refer to them as separatists. Granted, there were differences within the Greens, and there was a federalist wing and a separatist wing within the grouping, but a unilaterial move to federalists is not appropriate. Discuss here and if we can get a consensus fine, if not, you can RM it. Regards, Peacemaker67  (send... over) 11:56, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separatists vs Federalists