Talk:List of fictional antiheroes

message: Donnie Darko, the main character of a film by the same name, is a prime example of an anti-hero in my opinion. To put it simply, he commits all sorts of crimes at first, but then ends up saving the universe. -Hazethebassist (talk) 23:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia needs reliable sources, not personal opinions. If you don't have a reliable source that says that Darko is an anti-hero, then that is original research on your part and it should be deleted. Edward321 (talk) 00:05, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll find a source, just give me a little time. Are there guidelines on the sources? 174.31.145.37 (talk) 16:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I found one, but somebody may want to clean up my work, since I'm not the most professional Wikipedian. Also, if you need more sources, someone else can find one, because I don't know what to look for in a source. -Hazethebassist (talk) 16:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a blog or a wiki, which seems to be what 90% of the people who bother to list a source use. (Obviously, those are not reliable sources.) I think the one that you found should be good enough for inclusion in a list. Edward321 (talk) 23:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donnie Darko 

message: : Any objection to moving Gollum to the film section?  The article cited (which is now a 404 error and should be relinked through the Internet Archive) was Serkis talking about the movie version of Gollum, and not the book version.  Gollum certainly was not a hero (or antihero) in Tolkien's work.  --Stevehim (talk) 03:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 05:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

text: That's why people are supposed to cite a reliable source that says a specific character is an antihero. Bowser being a playable character does not make him an anti-hero. Some guys blog or another Wiki won't work, either. If you've got a reliable source and include it in your edit, feel free to add Stephen Daedalus to this article. Edward321 (talk) 03:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gollum revisited 

message: Might I suggest that "The Crow" also belongs on this list? James O'Barr's graphic novel version could be listed under comics.
Nytebreid (talk) 08:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While I think he does, too, Wikipedia is not about personal opinions, its about finding reliable sources that support the claim. Edward321 (talk) 12:15, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Crow 

message: I have just added Eric Draven (The Crow), William Munny (The Unforgiven), Jackson Teller (Sons of Anarchy), and The MacManus Brothers (Boondock Saints) to this list. Unfortunately, I cannot seem to get the format down for my references to stay. Any suggestions?JTBA75 (talk) 11:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Short term, I have removed them as unsourced. What are your sources? Have you looked at how existing sources are listed? Edward321 (talk) 15:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing Problem 

message: Could Edmond Dantès from The Count of Monte Cristo technically be an antihero? --24.229.63.177 (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forgotten antihero? 

message: What about Patrick Bateman from American Psycho?  His own Wikipedia page mentions him as an 'Antihero' and gives two sources, one of which is broken.  This is the working link, where the article states Patrick Bateman as being an antihero.
EDIT:  Sorry, I never looked under the "Literature" section, he is already there.  Unable to delete this as I do not have an account.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.38.21 (talk) 14:53, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patrick Bateman? 

message: Max Rockatansky from the Mad Max series is also an embodiment of the antihero due to his appearance as well as his reluctance to help out others and ultimately sacrifice himself for the greater good.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.205.8.154 (talk) 07:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mad Max 

message: I don't know why they are called anti-heroes. This list looks plainly opinionated and originally researched to me. How do sources verify characters as anti-heroes? --George Ho (talk) 07:52, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding context of each character? 

message: Lord Byron's works defined the modern antihero. At the very least Conrad (The Corsair, 1814), Don Juan (Don Juan, c. 1818-1824) and Byron himself (from his semiautobiographical epic Childe Harold's Pilgrimage (1812–1818)) should be in any list of this sort. 184.56.230.216 (talk) 22:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord Byron 

message: I consider Kacey Simon, Molly Garfunkel, and Grace King to each be antiheroes. David Israel told me on Twitter that he agrees, a little. I propose that they each be added to the list of TV antiheroes then.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Futuremoviewriter (talk • contribs) 02:29, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Your opinion, my opinion, and some guy on Twitter;s opinion are all irrelevant.  Wikipedia requires reliable sources. Edward321 (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Someone on Twitter claiming to be the writer for the show does not meet Wikipedia guidelines for reliable sources.  Edward321 (talk) 00:18, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Twitter is still not a reliable source.  Please read . Edward321 (talk) 15:52, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Girls of How to Rock 

message: I added Jason Todd the red hood I was going to try to put a link but i didn't do it correctly so I don't can't. the Wikipedia article on Jason Todd also says he's antihero and uses IGN as a link for that in that wiki article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.184.128 (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: red hood

message: Okay, I finally managed to figure out how to link it. I used the IGN article that was used on Jason Todd's wiki page. Since its good enough for that wiki, its good enough of a source here as well.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.184.128 (talk) 04:35, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Red Hood and link

message: -Lev Peskov from The Century Trilogy
-Impmon from digimon tamers (3rd series)
-Kick Ass (Dave Lizweski)
-The 3 protagonists of GTA V  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.41.148.76 (talk) 08:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Are This Character Anti Heroes?

message: Really, the opening of this wiki page alone should convince anyone to add him to the literature list, but just keep on reading and there should be no doubt.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elric_of_Melnibon%C3%A9
But he is the arch typical antihero, pretty much all he characteristics listed earlier is found with this character.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.167.14.32 (talk) 06:57, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not matter whether you or I think a character is an antihero. Wikipedia requires reliable sources. Edward321 (talk) 16:04, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

text: The website does not meet Wikipedia guidelines on reliable sources. The Wikipedia page Micheal Moorcock provides no sources for the opinion that Elric is an anti-hero. Edward321 (talk) 21:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elric of Melniboné 

message: SchroCat reverted my edits for James Bond. But per this page they had no reason to do so: "Each of these examples has been identified by a critic as an antihero, although the classification is somewhat subjective. Some of the entries may be disputed by other sources and some may contradict all established definitions of antihero."
I provided a legitimate source for literary bond, and now I have several others for literary Bond. Regardless of whether Bond is cited by more sources as simply being a hero or action hero and not an anti hero, this page says that as long as "a critic" (even if 999 other critics disagree) from a reliable source considers a character an anti hero, they can be on the list. I have three books and several other web based sources from newspapers and magazines. So I have the right to put it back up, which I will. Kinfoll1993 (talk) 22:32, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Your sourcing looks good, especially considering this page has been a magnet for unsourced or poorly sourced opinions. Edward321 (talk) 16:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Edward321. Kinfoll1993 (talk) 16:43, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: James Bond

message: I've authored two books, featuring my character Charlotte Aiken.  I was going over the reviews for them tonight on Amazon and the most recent reviewer stated "Charlotte is the perfect anti-hero." I have no idea who this reviewer is, as s/he made the review under the name "CMT."
I've had people tell me Charlotte was an anti-hero, but here it is in print now for the first time.
Joseph Steffen
: An Amazon review is not a reliable source. You would need a review by an actual critic. Edward321 (talk) 03:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does a Review calling some fictional character an anti-hero qualify? 

message: Can Walter White from Breaking Bad be classified as an antihero? Mr. Brain (talk) 19:54, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Walter White Question 

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message: The character Fritz The Cat appeared in comic book (as this article has listed him) but he also has appeared in film. Also, Alexandra Cabot (From Josie and The Pussycats, not Law & Order ... is in an Archie Comics but also appeared in Television and Film.) Currently Alexandra is not in this article but this is still a problem when the characters appeared in multiple adaptations. Batman and Catwoman are other examples. Can I move these into a new table? In Correct (talk) 03:35, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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message: Maybe this has been asked before, maybe it hasn't. But if you have John Constantine and The Punisher listed in Movies, TV, & comics, why not also add Batman & Deadpool? Those 2 are listed in comics, but not either in movies or TV. Aidensdaddy2k9 (talk) 22:49, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
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message: The anime/manga section could include any character from tokyo ghoul or tokyo ghoul: re, with the exception of furuta, and various other members of V  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.239.186 (talk) 05:20, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The anime/manga section 

message: needs adding. Spicemix (talk) 21:40, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rorschach (comics)|Rorschach]] 

message: Going with the clean-up tag, I'll be removing numerous entries on here that are unreliably sourced, not labeling the character as 'anti-hero' in the source, not sourced at all, or having a dead source. I’ll also be removing sequels/related works for certain entries that only have the source for a particular entry (Crank 2, for ex.). Barely made one (talk) 00:06, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of poorly sourced entries 

message: Thomas covenant, anti hero archetype known from "The chronicles of Thomas Covenant" is all too human and flawed to be anything near a hero, yet despita all his flaws .. you have to read the books.. Take it from me and anyone who has read the books, a truer anti-hero is hard to find. 83.101.80.204 (talk) 03:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  I believe Thomas Covenant deserves a place in this list. 

message: Hey I was on the List of Fictional Antiheroes page and some presumably 13 year old girl added Ash Morgenstern (from one of the hundreds of vapid Cassandra Clare books) with the comment "U go Ash (insert a dozen exclamation points)"
Not sure about the procedure for reporting issues but here you go.....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.14.178.149 (talk) 20:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Fictional Antiheroes Page Issue 

message: Jacket (Hotline Miami)
Biker (Hotline Miami)
The Fans (Hotline Miami 2)
Ichi (Ichi the Killer)
Kakihara (Ichi the Killer)
Ash Williams (Evil Dead series)
Herbert West (Re-Animator series)
Marceline (Adventure Time)
Mr. Krabs (Spongebob)
Squidward (Spongebob)
Postal Dude (Postal series)
Divine (Pink Flamingos)
Filthy Frank (The Filthy Frank Show)
Guts (Berserk)
Wilbur Soot ?? (Dream SMP)  Meepingmorp (talk) 16:26, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some potential candidates 

message: Could Wilbur Soot be considered an anti-hero within the Dream SMP ? Since its a minecraft role-play there wouldn't be any 'reliable' sources in terms of media reviews and official opinion but the DSMP wiki does offer a lot. Meepingmorp (talk) 16:25, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilbur Soot DSMP 

message: This large, convoluted list must be split into multiple ones, and I have made a request here. --Kailash29792 (talk)  06:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would strongly prefer cutting down the list first, per WP:TRIVIA. A list of this nature always has contentious content, and I do think the list is worthwhile, but Wikipedia is not TVTropes, and a list of this nature shouldn't seek to document every single fictional anti-hero with a wikipedia article (and almost certainly shouldn't list characters without standalone articles). I think if we looked at the article's sources, identified sources like "Top 10 Greatest Literary Anti-heroes" and limited the article to listing characters discussed as notable or paradigmatic anti-heroes, that would be much more appropriate. As it is, this article is a trivia-magnet. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 14:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting 

message: Lately, I've noticed users removing sourced entries because they disagree with those entries, such as Special:Diff/1019204610. Thoughts? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:57, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: batman isnt an antihero. As well as sources from screen rant arent reliable because screen rant isnt official reliable source. As well as hulk and iron man. No where in their biography over thr net it say they are antiheroes 46.71.151.137 (talk) 22:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of sourced entries 

message: Hello everyone! Is Rocky Balboa a typical antihero? Because at the beginning of the first movie, he was a lone fighter in the ring who worked for low wages, just like Wolverine did at the first movie of X-Men. If yes, I would recommend to add him to this list. Please reply! Thanks!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.109.170.177 (talk) 00:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Rocky Balboa 

message: Hi friends i saw some pages and videos from these characters who are/were anti-heroes:
* Chick Hicks from the Cars franchise: He in Cars 3 appears as the minor antagonist (because Storm is the main antagonistic jerk) and Cars 3: Driven to Win appears as the anti-heroical central main antagonist (because he congratulated Lightning and Ramírez because they defeated a jerk and they saw Miss Fritter chasing Storm at the end of the videogame)
* Benson Dunwoody from Regular Show: Benson sometimes will be a hero and an antagonist but in some episodes from Regular Show  describing as him is the anti-heroic deuteragonist
NRR EL 95 (talk) 13:13, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see from the discussion above, there are some concerns of this list becoming an indiscriminate collection of examples. So probably only characters should be included where reliable sources say they are an antihero, but not those where there is only circumstantial evidence. Daranios (talk) 16:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benson Dunwoody and Chick Hicks could be anti-heroes? 

message: Aravela 13 screen rant isnt an official reliable source as well as cbr.com. in nowhere does it say batman is an antihero 46.71.151.137 (talk) 22:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suoerheroes being anroheroes 

message: No mention of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia?! For shame that Charlie Kelly, Dennis Reynolds, Deandra "Dee" Reynolds, Ronald "Mac" McDonald and Frank Reynolds have not been entered into this list as anti-heroes. L2J1086 (talk) 01:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's Always Sunny