Talk:Beowulf (2007 film)

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*Roger Avery, Neil Gaiman Interview, Beowulf
*Imax's Big Idea Braves Digital Age (first paragraph)
*Cast of Beowulf Interview
*Is animation stuck in Oscar ghetto?
*An unlikely big screen hero
*Beowulf becomes even more epic in 3-D
*Editor’s Note: Beowulf Surprises
*'Beowulf' breathes fire into a new kind of dragon
*Angelina Jolie 'Shy' About Onscreen Nudity
*Who's gonna get in? Toon in tomorrow
*En iyi filmler, vizyon filmleri, en yeni filmler, film elestirileri, koru filmleri, komedi filmleri, sinema seanslari  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.212.101.89 (talk) 10:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headlines 

message: *Roger Avery, Neil Gaiman Interview, Beowulf
*Imax's Big Idea Braves Digital Age (first paragraph)
*Cast of Beowulf Interview
*Is animation stuck in Oscar ghetto?
*An unlikely big screen hero
*Beowulf becomes even more epic in 3-D
*Editor’s Note: Beowulf Surprises
*'Beowulf' breathes fire into a new kind of dragon
*Angelina Jolie 'Shy' About Onscreen Nudity
*Who's gonna get in? Toon in tomorrow
*En iyi filmler, vizyon filmleri, en yeni filmler, film elestirileri, koru filmleri, komedi filmleri, sinema seanslari  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.212.101.89 (talk) 10:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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message: *'Beowulf' misses Venice festival bow
*Anthony Hopkins Interview, Fracture
*All eyes on 'Beowulf' at the premiere
*Alison Lohman Interview, Beowulf
*Beowulf: A New Hybrid for an Old Tale
Headlines. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 05:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Liquidfinale (Ţ) (Ç) (Ŵ) 12:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: I would like to open discussion on a few points regarding this article. 
a. Cast list - I'm not entirely certain its present state conforms with Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines, which discourages use of a list. I would like to propose that the Cast section be altered to better adhere to the suggestions given here which encourage prose (the existing commentary on the first two characters is a good start). One possible suggestion would be to convert to prose after the film is released and more is known about the characters.
b. Under the Production section, there is a part of the first paragraph which reads, "Their objective was to better connect the third act to the second, which is separated by fifty years in the poem. This was done in order to offer the filmmaker's interpretation for possible motivations behind Grendel's behavior..." 
Since the "Acts" occur in the film, not the poem, I think that this section needs to be re-written in the following way for clarity:
"Their objective was  to offer their own interpretation for possible motivations behind Grendel's behavior as well as for what might have happened during the time when Beowulf was in the cave of Grendel's mother (choices which they justified by arguing that Beowulf was an unreliable narrator). This also helped them to better connect the third act to the second of their screenplay (which is represented in the poem by a fifty year gap)." 
c. The following section was removed. It is not uncommon for articles on films based upon classic works of literature to ask if the actors had read the works. The text can certainly be tweaked but I do feel that the information fulfills Wikipedia guidelines and should appear in the article somewhere:
"Actors Ray Winestone and Anthony Hopkins stated in an interview that they had had not read the original poem Beowulf but liked the script created for the film. Angelina Jolie also stated in the same interview that she had read Beowulf years ago but could not remember it well, until she read the script and was able to recall basic themes.  Zemeckis said he was not a fan of the original poem, but absolutely loved Gaiman and Avery's screenplay." 
====Notes====
-Classicfilms 16:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and added point "b" above since it was a matter of grammar and clarity. I'll wait one more day for point "c" above - if there are no comments on it, I'll add it to the article as well. -Classicfilms 13:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored point "c" above. It may work better in a different place in the production section so if someone wants to move it to another part of the production section, please do. But the text is relevant to the entire production section and is sourced so I don't believe it should be deleted. -Classicfilms 15:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Works for me.  Go for it! —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Erik - Thanks. I made the changes. Please take a look.-Classicfilms 22:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I was thinking something like The Dark Knight (film) in which there would be some form of a secondary list provided (as to encourage expansion) after the major prose paragraphs.  I have a feeling that in the citations above, there would be even more detail for the secondary characters.  One thing I'd like to suggest is to avoid listing minor cast members indiscriminately, like the last half of the names shown.  It'd be best to wait until people see Beowulf so it can be discussed what roles are major, as a film can otherwise have quite a long list of cast members.  Thoughts? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Erik, Sure it all sounds fine to me. My goal was to simply clean it up a bit - I think your suggestions are quite sound. Why don't you go ahead and make the changes? -Classicfilms 23:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I have restored part of the list.  I think that we can probably add more content to the first four bulleted entries -- not sure about the rest of it.  Some entries may be more relevant than others if their characters have their own Wikipedia articles. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great! And yes, I agree with your other points as well, particularly concerning Anthony Hopkins since (I am assuming) it is a key role. Thanks for your help and suggestions. -Classicfilms 23:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added text for Hopkins and Malkovich and converted their entries into paragraphs. I also added a subheader so that the remainder of the list is not floating in space, but feel free to revert if you don't like it. -Classicfilms 00:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed changes to article

message: -Classicfilms 16:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and added point "b" above since it was a matter of grammar and clarity. I'll wait one more day for point "c" above - if there are no comments on it, I'll add it to the article as well. -Classicfilms 13:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored point "c" above. It may work better in a different place in the production section so if someone wants to move it to another part of the production section, please do. But the text is relevant to the entire production section and is sourced so I don't believe it should be deleted. -Classicfilms 15:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: The cast section is shaping up quite well. I thought that it was a great idea to move point "c" above to the cast section. Since there is now so much text, at least for the two lead actors, I would like to propose that we start to reformat the section and convert it from a list to paragraphs to better adhere to Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines. -Classicfilms 21:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me.  Go for it! —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Erik - Thanks. I made the changes. Please take a look.-Classicfilms 22:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I was thinking something like The Dark Knight (film) in which there would be some form of a secondary list provided (as to encourage expansion) after the major prose paragraphs.  I have a feeling that in the citations above, there would be even more detail for the secondary characters.  One thing I'd like to suggest is to avoid listing minor cast members indiscriminately, like the last half of the names shown.  It'd be best to wait until people see Beowulf so it can be discussed what roles are major, as a film can otherwise have quite a long list of cast members.  Thoughts? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Erik, Sure it all sounds fine to me. My goal was to simply clean it up a bit - I think your suggestions are quite sound. Why don't you go ahead and make the changes? -Classicfilms 23:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I have restored part of the list.  I think that we can probably add more content to the first four bulleted entries -- not sure about the rest of it.  Some entries may be more relevant than others if their characters have their own Wikipedia articles. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great! And yes, I agree with your other points as well, particularly concerning Anthony Hopkins since (I am assuming) it is a key role. Thanks for your help and suggestions. -Classicfilms 23:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added text for Hopkins and Malkovich and converted their entries into paragraphs. I also added a subheader so that the remainder of the list is not floating in space, but feel free to revert if you don't like it. -Classicfilms 00:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reformat cast section to paragraphs

message: I would suggest phasing out the review from Ain't It Cool News when other reviews are published.  AICN is hardly the gold standard when it comes to critical reaction, and there will be many suitable replacements.  Just wanted to make that suggestion. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Empire shared many of Knowles' points, and knowing everyone has a thing against him, I thought it was ok to remove him now more reviews are flooding in. He may return unless someone else praises Glover. Alientraveller 17:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, I replaced IGN with the New York Times review. --- Classicfilms (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? For the sake of it? Heh, keep it unless someone else has the same point of the film being a living painting. -- Alientraveller (talk) 19:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The New York Times is authoritative in having mass circulation of its film reviews compared to IGN, whose reviews are only published online.  How about this -- we add on the review from The New York Times and keep the IGN review, and after the film has been out for a week or two, we can re-evaluate what reviews would be best used. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews 

message: The date here says the 16th but I saw it last night (14th) here in Korea. Mithridates 04:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date 

message: I just had a look in my local shop and saw The Art Of Beowulf (), which is a fantastic look at the film's symbolism (if you thought it's locations were just a hall, cave and castle, think again). I'm not sure when my local libraries will stock this, so I recommend anyone to pick it up and cite it. Some things I gleamed:
*Grendel's cave is actually a prehistoric monster, entombed and fossilized in the earth. It's rib cages become a subconscious part of Beowulf when he rebuilds the hall. 
*The cave's opening is foreshadowing of a vagina because of what Beowulf decides to do...
*Grendel's design embodies "living pain".
*The movie has variations on thirteen sets.
*Beowulf's castle shows that his life's work is done, it is secure and strong.
*The horn Hrothgar gives to Beowulf symbolises his curse.
Alientraveller 14:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making of book 

message: Aside from the man speaking of Jesus in the party, King Hrothgar not wanting to switch to the new Christian God and the church being burned by the Beowulf's son, the way Unferth treated his slave moments after asking forgiveness from Beowulf seems nothing short of a nod to Jesus' Parable of the Unmerciful Servant. There may have been other Bible analogies in this poorly done film but I didn't catch them. Were there any others? And should they me mentioned in this article? --Is this fact...? 11:00, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's a bit of original research. Nonetheless, there is indeed of a lot of analysis of how this adaptation takes back the original myth from the monks who wrote it down. Alientraveller (talk) 11:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biblical References 

message: The length of the plot section is rather excessive considering that the basic story is very well known.  I've attempted to shorten and clarify it a bit, but more editing would be welcome.  I do not, however, think it does much good to say that the section is too long when reverting it to an even longer version, as Alientraveller has done.  Perhaps this was a mistake, though.  In any event, I've restored my (somewhat) shorter version of the plot section. CKarnstein 20:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Length of Plot section

message: When is this coming out on BD? After BD won the format war, Paramount said they would return to supporting it, so.....when's it coming out?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PowderedToastMan (talk • contribs) 00:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is out now, it is an epic movie, eh? -Hardtosay11 (talk) 23:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blu-Ray release date 

message: From the opening "Beowulf is a 2007 motion capture film loosely based on the Old English epic poem of the same name". I think it is fair to say that Beowulf (2007 film) is based pretty squarely on the Beowulf story. Nothing loose about it in fact, it seems to be directly based on Beowulf. JayKeaton (talk) 16:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it. I just finished reading the Beowulf and read some critical reception on it, and this movie DEFINITELY very closely based on Beowulf. JayKeaton (talk) 14:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: loosely base on?

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