Talk:Madonna (disambiguation)

message: Content of this page was moved to Talk:Madonna (singer) after disambiguation.
This page is linked from 7 user pages and 11 other articles. I think they're all about the pop singer. I'm gonna resolve any double links I find. --Uncle Ed 15:26, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Madonna (disambiguation) → Madonna. Madonna currently redirects to Madonna (entertainer); it should be used for the disambig page. —tregoweth 00:11, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
*I disagree. I think 90pc of people are looking for the singer.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.93.51 (talk) 07:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Note, it was already moved, as noted below. BTW, Wikipedia is global, not just "US English"-- and doubt anynone in the US still knows what the singer's name is a reference to, you might wish to spend some time with some Catholics or people interested in art history. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 15:28, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that I'm arguing about a done deal, and I'm not suggesting going through the trouble of changing it back, but I think this was a bad choice. I understand that this is en.wikipedia.org, not us.wikipedia.org, but something like 340 million individuals speak English as their first language, and my best guess is that around two-thirds of those individuals are US residents. Considering more broadly all speakers, rather those with English as their first language, the numbers are approximately 500 million total English speakers, of which well more than half are US residents. And, since the singer now lives in London, I'm guessing that most UK English speakers use "Madonna" to refer to the singer. As for Catholics' use of the term, the ones I know under 50 mean the singer when they talk about "Madonna". --38.112.11.10 20:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: Sorry to bring this up all over again, but I tried to remove links to this page, and my job was done very quickly. About 20 were namespace links, while the remaining 200 or so were from WP or user pages which think that Madonna goes here. I'd propose reviving Madonna (disambiguation), and leading this straight to Madge's page... but I'm scared of getting yelled at... — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 12:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, for what it's worth. Ms Ciccone's article should be here, with a dab template at the top. --kingboyk 22:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmmm... 

message: The term 'artiste' is definitely more appropriate to describe Madonna Louise Ciccone than 'entertainer', which is used for circus clowns, cabaret shows, etc, which is absolutely ridiculous. Madonna is an artiste not an entertainer - she is pop star! Do not use words like idiosyncratic, sure you jest, but the term 'entertainer' is more idiosyncratic than artiste which is a more appropriate term... If there are any alternative choice of words, prefably it would be (Singer/Actress), (Performer) or (Artiste).
'Entertainer' is an insult to the Madonna whom u classified her amongst circus clowns, cabaret show girls, magicians, stand-up comedians and game-show hosts... Madonna is not in the same category as them! Stealthusa 06:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let us not talk about merit hierarchies. I pointed out long ago that entertainer doesn't seem appropriate (and not for the reasons you list, just because it is a different thing than what she is) but artiste is a little too generic. 'Singer', I suppose, would be just fine. She has written books, acted, etc. but I don't believe she can fairly referred to as a writer or actor. These latter activities are mentioned in the article, but that doesn't mean we should generalize the article title to cover all of them or every single thing she has done in life, with the risk to get to something like "Madonna (human being)" (no offense intended). Also, I don't think artiste is the term used in other similar cases. —Gennaro Prota•Talk 12:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Second revert. --Htmlism 16:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think "entertainer" is fine - it sums her up perfectly.  "Artiste" is bizarre and as far as I can see doesn't mean anything. Vashti 12:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Madonna's entertainer to artiste

message: If there is to be a listing of people with the given name Madonna, the entertainer should be listed both in the main list (as an article with the dab title and a parenthetical) and in the given name list (in case someone jumps straight to it), for ease of use.  Similar rule-breaking occurs with the Patton disambiguation page, and was discussed in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)/Archive 26. The other option (which I am fine with too), is to remove the list of people by given name from this dab page altogether. -- JHunterJ 15:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicated listing 

message: Your version is a hopeless jumble, which contains various inaccuracies. I have nothing against such a scheme in normal cases, but it breaks down completely here. Johnbod 17:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not appear jumbled.  What specific inaccuracies are you talking about? -- JHunterJ 18:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no consistent difference I can between see between the first two groups - why is Madonna lily in the second and Madonna Inn in the first? It's all a nonsense. What are the two groups supposed to be?  Far better to classify by type.  The mistakes are those I corrected and you have reverted.  Johnbod 19:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first group might be known as just "Madonna", the second group is not;  if the Inn is not likely to be known as just "Madonna", it should be moved; if the lily is likely to be known as just "Madonna", it should be moved.  However, neither of those potential problems will be solved by moving given-name holders up or separating Madonna (the singer) from Madonna (her album). -- JHunterJ 20:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that both the "given name" Madonna's use it only as a stage name, and in clear reference to the religious Madonna, the latest grouping is not acceptable either. Actually nobody seems to be really called Madonna, and to restrict the person the two entertainers have taken the name from to the second section is absurd. Johnbod 22:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The entertainer Madonna is 'really called just Madonna with great frequency. That's why that entry is in the top section. (And, BTW, it's not a stage name, it's her given [birth] name. But that doesn't matter for arrangement.) -- JHunterJ 02:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I can live with the page as it is now. Btw there about 50 other Madonna articles on paintings, but I think I will hold off on these for now. Johnbod 02:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: I have changed the page to this version, which seems most neutral. Any objections? • Lawrence Cohen 21:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added the blurb that anon editor wanted. That factual statement with the ordering there now should be fine. Thoughts? • Lawrence Cohen 21:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warring edits, solution page 

message: This is a disambiguation page. The merits of Madonna should be pointed out at her own page. A disamiguation page is only to disamiguate, to give the reader a choice what article to look for. The information on a disambiguation page should be kept at a minimum. There is only one entertainer with the name Madonna, so the information that she is the best is superfluous. There is a single, anonymous editor that wanted Madonnas merits mentioned here. Under these circumstances, I do not think it is wise to look for a compromise just to avoid an edit war.  Andreas  (T) 23:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most successful entertainer 

message: The edit war will continue until "The most successful female artist by record sales" is allowed to stay on the disambiguation page. There are other disambiguation pages with this kind of information. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28disambiguation%29 gives this kind of information. Anyone who objects to stating that Madonna is the most successful female artist by record sales is a biased idiot. It is not subjective.
-UnbiasedMadonnaFan
74.75.89.122 01:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna owns 

message: I'll get an account so I can make the Madonna (entertainer) page better. The thesis "Madonna is the best" will be supported by the page.
--UnbiasedMadonnaFan
74.75.89.122 02:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official surrender - The Great Edit War has ended 

message: I have it set up so that en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna redirects to Madonna's page. A disambiguation page for the most successful and best woman in the world is offensive and rude. -- Anon Coward
: No, it is appropriate to have a disambiguation page for this because of the number of things which Madonna could mean. Dozols 04:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This was the consensus reached on previous discussion history. Madonna means many different things to many others, not just the entertainer.  In fact your favourite entertainer took her name from the virgin mother herself and many others many find it as equally offensive and rude that we ignore the other meanings of Madonna. --Nuttycoconut 05:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop reverting! 

message: Does everyone agree the page ought to stay at a version such as this? If you disagree, why? • Lawrence Cohen 15:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just wished to clarify, in case that IP user came back. As there is consensus this would stay a disambig page. • Lawrence Cohen 16:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been quiet for some time now, so hopefully they got bored. • Lawrence Cohen 17:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus agreed upon, this will not direct to Madonna the singer

message: Please see discussion at Talk:Madonna (entertainer)#Requested move 199.125.109.104 (talk) 23:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion is now at Talk:Madonna (entertainer)/Archive 7#Requested move. Propaniac (talk) 21:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Modified a revision created by User:194.63.235.157  that violated Wikipedia's spam and vandalism policies . In this modification, I added to Madonna's album named Madonna by adding the phrase, "the entertainer's first self-titled album." --KadratisVelevere (talk) 18:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism + slight modification 

message: Does anyone object to me adding something like "in the Christian bible's New Testament"? It presents it as fact, otherwise. 135.196.2.145 (talk) 14:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do it.  This is an encyclopaedia and it should make clear that mythical characters like Jesus and Madonna are fictional.  The Santa Claus article offers the best example.--Xania talk 22:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother of Jesus clarification 

message: The page is much more dignified if she is first. I know that most people are more interested in reading about the singer, however putting the other section first explains why she calls herself Madonna.  Besides that, a reader will have learned something by reading the background information, and that's what an encyclopedia is all about. Borock (talk) 14:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: per WP:Consensus can change and for 2 other reasons: 1. alphabetical subject list, 2. order of importance. Although I think it should go to Madonna (not the singer), with a tag on the top to disambiguate.Lihaas (talk) 09:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Mary first

message: Madonna was inducted in 2008 in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.72.169 (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Induction 

message: ** Madonna (book), is a biography by Andrew Morton VitalyTarasov (talk) 06:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add the book 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Madonna (art) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 09:15, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Madonna (entertainer) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 05:14, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: Once again, there is a discussion at Talk:Madonna (entertainer) that seems to affect this page. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 17:18, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Madonna (entertainer)

message: The usage of Madonna is up for discussion at Talk:Madonna_(entertainer)#Requested_move_8 where it is requested that the singer's article be moved to "Madonna". -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:21, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "Madonna"

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Madonna (entertainer) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 09:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Madonna (art) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 11:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: No, that's really not how it works. Like many parts of Wikipedia, disambiguation pages involve a steep learning curve. Let's take a look at MOS:DAB:  It's not the role of dab pages to help readers get to a subtopic of a topic of that name. The page links to Madonna (entertainer) and Madonna (Madonna album), and that's enough. Readers looking for a list of her albums can click on the link to the article about the singer, and look at the section that contains the list. Take a look at other similar dab pages, none of them contain similar links. Queen does not contain a link to Queen (band)#Discography (or Queen discography for that matter), Eagles (disambiguation) does not contain a link to Eagles (band)#Discography, Prince (disambiguation) does not contain a link to Prince (musician)#Discography. If you think the Madonna page should be any different, or disambiguation pages should include links to artist discographies, you are welcome to start an RFC to discuss the matter. feminist 13:32, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternative places for fixing this little problem might be in the ledes of both Madonna (Madonna album) and Madonna (entertainer), which do not have easy to find links to either Madonna_(entertainer)#Discography or Madonna albums discography.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:55, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Madonna_(entertainer)#Discography]] 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Madonna (entertainer) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 13:15, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress