Talk:Space tourism

message: Any ideas/opinions on the following suggesstions (60.53.55.52 14:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion: New page for "Common Spaceflight Roles"

message: They have raised the price to $21 Million now.  No reference as yet so I'm not editing the page as someone will only revert it but if someone comes across a reference then this needs changing.
John Glenn was hardly the first non-participant to get a free ride into space because of his position. Several other United States and Russian politicians have also gotten free rides aboard government owned spacecraft. It is more frequently argued that a Japanese journalist took the first tourist flight on a Soyuz. --Wronkiew 19:37, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: $20 Million

message: Hey y'all.  Just read the NYT this morning, and saw the following:
"Ansari follows in the footsteps of Britain's Helen Sharman, who flew to Russia's Mir Space Station in 1991 as a tourist as part of a lottery system called Project Juno."
Now, I don't know who this Helen Sharman person is, but if this is correct, not only is the NYTimes headline flatly false ("First Female Space Tourist Blasts Off," Sept. 18, AP) but this page is missing something significant.  Someone, google this Sharman and find out if she was in fact a tourist, in the sense of a traveler not for business nor as part of her duties, but as a civilian and to appreciate and perhaps report on the experience.
Helen Sharman did not win her place on the Soyuz TM-12 mission as a result of a lottery.  I've no idea where this story comes from, but it's a complete fabrication.  She was recruited and trained as an astronaut as a result of her academic qualifications, practical experience of experimental work, aptitude for languages, health and physical fitness.  An account of the selection process can be found in her autobiography, "Sieze the Moment".--Cavor 13:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helen Sharman 

message: Is the "Space Cadets section" really needed? It's unsourced, and it really isn't the right place for the article. Maybe the Space Cadets article would be a better place. Cool Bluetalk to me 19:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Space Cadets section

message: This article says that "The following people have been named as future commercial passengers on Soyuz spacecraft to the ISS." in the Future Space Tourists section. Shouldn't this section also include the people who have signed up for space tourism aboard other vehicles, such as some of those entered in the Ansari X prize competition?
Vsst 01:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first group of people booked on the first Virgin Galactic ship numbers 100 - it's not practical to list them. --Tango 11:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agree with you on that. But what I am more interested in is the (confirmed) names of next Soyuz tourists. The article has sourced statement that trips are sold out in 2008 and 2009. Could names for these perhaps be retrieved? Tried to search the Russian Space Agency.. But only their frontpage is in English unfortunately. --|EPO| da: 19:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Space Tourists 1 

message: Comment on the Space Tourism wiki : the caption for the FAA astronaut wings implies that FAA awards them to anyone who flies over 62 miles.  This is incorrect.  FAA awards commercial astronaut wings to _crew_ who fly above 50 statute miles.  FAA does not award astronaut wings to space flight participants.  -R  209.233.12.98 01:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAA astronaut wings 

message: Link number 1 is broken and needs to be removed.
"1. Int'l space station ticket price climbs. "
: Fixed, thanks for the heads up. (sdsds - talk) 18:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: Why does 'Space Hotel' redirect here? I thought it would deserve an article on its own. Besides, this article does not have a single mention of space hotels or even links...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.74.219.47 (talk) 09:15, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
:Wikipedia doesn't predict the future. As there is no such thing as a space hotel, this explains why such an article does not exist, and why it redirects to the only reasonable topic, space tourism, which eventually, some day, may possibly encompass such things. But currently it does not, and it isn't an impending item, so no need to mention it. Ariel♥Gold 18:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference between the Olympics, and a Space Hotel, is one is a definite event, the other is a speculation, theory, and hopeful event. Same with planned buildings. Yes, plans can change, but considering the fact that going into space isn't even remotely available to people as a service yet, having an article about a Space Hotel would be pure speculation, nothing more, even if there are companies who hope to build such a thing. Now, if you can find 3-4 reliable, third-party media sources (newspapers, online news agencies, like AP, BBC, Major network coverage, UP, etc, that detail the plans, then it may be possible to make an article about it. Ariel♥Gold 19:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Yep like that :o) Cool. I'll look at putting an article about it together, but between you, me, and the fencepost, I don't think there's a chance in Dante's inferno that we'll see this by 2012, lol. Ariel♥Gold 21:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Space Hotel 

message: I think we need to split this article into two articles (accessible from a disambiguation page). The second one article will be exclusively meant for ‘All Future and flown Space Tourists’. The existing Subhead for ‘Future Space Tourists’ lists only ‘Soyuz spacecraft to the ISS’ and purposely ignoring other future space tourists like Interorbital Systems, Jim Benson's Dream Chaser and Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic etc. Otherwise it is no meaningful work of including only about ‘Soyuz’ else we don’t need that also.--Avinesh Jose (talk) 05:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I recently added a sentence citing a source for Virgin having pre-sold nearly 200 seats. Can anyone find sources to cite for seats already pre-sold on Interorbital Systems and Dream Chaser vehicles? (I assume we are only listing pre-sold Soyuz seats.) (sdsds - talk) 06:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (Just my own personal opinion) The article doesn't need to be split into two, at this point. That is for articles that are very long (over 60kb), and this article is not even nearing that length. I think we need to keep in mind that Wikipedia  is not a crystal ball, and just because someone may have bought a seat to fly in the year 2010, or 2015, doesn't mean that it will happen. I think the sentence about the pre-sales of 200 seats is sufficient until these flights actually start to occur. Once these flights are actually taking place, I think the article could be re-evaluated. As of now, they are not something that happens regularly, like the Soyuz, and I really don't think we'd need a list of all 200, even if it were available, a simple link to such a list would be sufficient. For the Soyuz, anyone added to that list should be cited by sources that can be verified. If no source is available, then I think it is safe to say it is not a decision made by RSA, and should be left off until it is verifiable. Ariel♥Gold 06:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we consider people who are Paid advance $20,000 or above for a confirmed seat and completed Zero gravity training and medical checkups as “future space tourists”? if so, why can’t we add their names under there? btw, is this one of the article sdsds asked? --Avinesh Jose (talk) 07:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Space Tourists 

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message: Several of the space tourists/participants have joint nationality identified. In some case their other wikipedia entries give different factual information. Should we identify their nationality as that which they flew under? (e.g. Mark Shuttleworth as South African rather than "South African/ British"). --mgaved (talk) 21:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationality of space tourists/participants?

message: I couldn't find anything about France being allied with the Soviets, so I've deleted that part because I very much suspect it is vandalism.
If anyone wishes to add it back in, please source it and I will go away.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.161.110 (talk) 03:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  France + USSR?  Non. 

message: I came to this page trying to find info on Daisuke Enomoto. I am surprised that there isn't any. He is the potential candidate that was denied travel after he paid a 21 million dollars. Could someone update the article on his situation and ongoing lawsuit? Thank you.70.79.50.5 (talk) 05:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Daisuke Enomoto

message: "A private Russian space firm and a state-controlled spacecraft manufacturer are planning to build and operate the world's first commercial space station and expect it to launched by 2016." 
"The Moscow-based Orbital Technologies has sky-high hopes that its planned Commercial Space Station can serve as a tourism hub for well-heeled travellers and offer overspill accommodation for the International Space Station and workspace for science projects." 
ellol (talk) 15:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Orbital Technologies

message: assuming that the mentioned space hotels and stations are privately owned and that space is publicly world-owned, it follows that private business will be 'occupying' public property.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.122.94 (talk) 05:43, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ownership of the space that will be used by 'space hotels' and 'space stations' 

message: There are two figures given: 410 reservations in March 2010 and 500 "to date" (which date).At best this looks messy. I suggest we replace both with a single number and a date. Does anyone have a source to an up-to-date figure? Andrew Hennigan (talk) 17:27, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked myself and the 500 to date figure links to a company announcement in March, still the latest figure announced by the company. The Observer newspaper reports 520 on 17 June 2012 in Space Tourism, to infinity and beyond? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/jun/17/space-tourism-science-virgin-robin-mckie?INTCMP=SRCH). At this point I propose keeping the 500-to-date figure in the section on Virgin Galactic and deleting the older figure in the Suborbital flights section, a needless repetition. Andrew Hennigan (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Deleted the older 410 figure for reservations in one section, leaving the up-to-date figure of 500 in another.Andrew Hennigan (talk) 09:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virgin Galactic booking numbers 

message: Perhaps Swiss Space Systems (S3) needs to be mentioned; they use a technique similar to Virgin Galactic
KVDP (talk) 16:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added some refs to the Swiss Space Systems article; apparently, their plan is to provide supersonic intercontinental flights, rather than suborbital excursions. DoctorKubla (talk) 08:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Mention Swiss Space Systems (S3)

message: I've removed the QUID, since it iss too loosely connected to Space tourism to justify inclusion.Sanpitch (talk) 23:31, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Quasi Universal Intergalactic Denomination

message: Excalibur Almaz seems likely mired in litigation.
Space Island Group per page company appears dissolved/neglected/defunct.
Do these sorts of items detract from the page? Should they be deleted or possibly brought under a 'likely defunct' heading. Lynx and Hyperion certainly belong on the page as genuine attempts but putting under a likely defunct heading would clarify which proposals appear ongoing. Perhaps with such a heading above two examples may as well stay rather than being deleted. What do others think? crandles (talk) 14:28, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove defunct and dubious proposals? 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Space tourism]] 

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I wish to propose this article for possible posting. Thank you.
Space tourism 2019
According to an article published in Sputniknews.com, the Energia director general of Rocket and Space Corporation of Russia (Vladimir Solntsev) announced that an anonymous space tourist from a country in Asia will be part of the crew who will join the International Space Station (ISS).
https://sputniknews.com/society/201707181055650450-tourists-asia-iss-travel/ 
Space Adventures, Limited is the only company that solely providing civilians the opportunity to become space tourists since 2001. 
http://www.spaceadventures.com/ 
In June 2015, the company released a press statement that Satoshi Takamatsu from Japan will train as a member of the Soyuz TMA-18M backup crew. That person signed a contract for an orbital spaceflight mission in the future. The Soyuz FG rocket that carried Soyuz TMA-18M launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome Site Number One on April 2, 2010. It carried National Aeronautics and Space Agency (NASA) astronaut Tracy Caldwell Dyson along with Russian cosmonauts Mikhail Kornienko and Aleksandr Skvortsov.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/iss_soyuztma18.html 
RSC Energia
RSC Energia collaborates with Space Adventures to get possible space tourists who want to fly to the moon at US$150 million with the first launch possibly taking place in 2020. Tickets will cost between $25million and $35 million. These civilians must undergo training in Star City (Russia) like cosmonauts and astronauts. Only Space Adventures has made this moon trip possible eight times with the use of equipment made from Russia although Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic have made extensive plans for private spaceflight. 
https://www.businessinsider.com/space-adventures-moon-launch-2016-1#the-plan-is-fairly-straightforward-two-passengers-and-a-russian-cosmonaut-will-use-a-slightly-modified-soyuz-capsule-for-a-trip-that-will-take-them-to-the-iss-then-eventually-on-to-the-moon-4 
LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 02:59, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Article 

message: They didn't pay in the conventional sense but had a touristy role, should we list them here? If they were not tourists then they were commercial astronauts and should be listed there? They should be in one of the tables (not necessarily the same one). See also Talk:Commercial astronaut#Jeff and Mark Bezos. --mfb (talk) 11:46, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This may well be a sensible conclusion, but in that case we need to change the introduction to the table which currently says "The following list notes each trip taken by an individual for whom a fee was paid (by themselves or another party) to go above the Kármán Line, the arbitrarily defined boundary of space. It also includes future trips which are paid for and scheduled." What do we change that to? Does it need changing to something like: "The following list includes all individuals who undertake a spaceflight in a space tourist like role regardless of whether a fee is paid for them." If we want the list to be inclusive perhaps Virgin Galactic flights should also be included with an note that it went above 50 miles but not above 100km? C-randles (talk) 16:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeff and Mark Bezos 

message: If NASA didn't train you, are you an astronaut or a space tourist? (Houston Chronicle, Sept. 13, 2021, unfortunately behind a paywall) Perhaps some of this could be used in the Criticism section. Mapsax (talk) 22:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article discussing terminology 

message: The crew from Soyuz MS-19 and the eventual flight of Tom Cruise should be considered a space tourism flight? The articles states in the first line that "Space tourism is human space travel for recreational purposes." and is possible to argue that the shooting of a movie "isn't a recreational purpose".  brought the question here. Erick Soares3 (talk) 20:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie projects 

message: The prices have now been increased. Quoting [1] - 
The new pricing policy charges $5.2 million per person for ISS crew time to support a private astronaut mission, and $4.8 million per mission for integration and basic services, such as mission planning. The policy now charges between $88,000 and $164,000 per person per day for pre-staging food and other cargo on the station for those missions on NASA cargo vehicles and for disposing cargo on those spacecraft. It also charges between $40 and $1,500 per person per day for crew supplies and $2,000 per person per day for food.
[1] https://spacenews.com/nasa-increases-prices-for-iss-private-astronaut-missions/ Supersonic71 (talk) 14:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated info - 35,000 USD per day for one astronaut 

message: In 2013, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)  determined that World View’s spacecraft and its operations fall under the jurisdiction of the office of Commercial Space Flight (51 U.S.C. Chapter 509). The visual experience of Near Space balloon travelers will be very similar to that of Space Tourists. The view is the primary driver for Space Tourism. Therefore it makes sense to include them. Maybe under Suborbital, or on a different category, as Near Space LTA flights, so something like that. Verahabrecht (talk) 16:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balloon flights to Near Space 

message: Over at Larry Connor, an IP editor and I are disagreeing over how to qualify Connor — the last two edits Special:Diff/1135040559 and Special:Diff/1135900258 summarize the disagreement. I would appreciate if we could receive a bit of attention from editors more experienced with space travel articles, so we can solve the matter. Thank you! Ariadacapo (talk) 09:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Space tourist vs. private astronaut