Talk:E. E. Smith

message: Some of the "literary flaws" mentioned were, in earlier decades, literary conventions. Smith must have been a voluminous reader as a youth. I see a strong trace of H. Rider Haggard in the first Skylark book, and maybe some Jules Verne. :-) 
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Sounds fascinating. Care to elaborate ? Derek Ross |  Talk 02:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole "Lord Tedric" passage appears to exist solely to prove that the Iron Sphere from Stephen Eklund's books could not possibly have influenced George Lucas.  I don't really see what purpose it serves within a biographical article about EE Smith.  I propose that a "Lord Tedric" page be made, and the information be moved there.  --Pariah Press (talk) 06:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Lord Tedric" reference to Star Wars is still a mess. "As a result, Dr. Smith is believed by many to be the unacknowledged progenitor of themes that would appear in Star Wars." Now I don't doubt that some people do believe that _as a result_ of elements in novels published after the first Star Wars movie and written by someone other than EES, but it's patently absurd; of course, the EES "Lord Tedric" novel contains no dark knight, no energy blades, no Iron Sphere, and no destruction of planets at all. A discussion of the connection between EES and Lucas belongs outside this section - to contend that the Lensman and Skylark books influenced Lucas is far more sensible, albeit still asking for a "citation needed" (if someone can dig through Lucas's biography, that would help). 193.9.13.135 (talk) 15:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literary Influences 

message: Original letter in Trestrail's estate, original typewritten speech notes in the Epopt's collection of Lensman source material.
The User: thing should not be in the artile.  Can Epopt give their real name?
Fplay 06:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation should not be based on User: 

message: I was a 13 year old reader of the Lensman books but my Physics teacher brought to class a mention of his introducing inertial dampening drives - a concept which impressed me the most of all his work.
Was it true that EE Doc Smith "invented" the concept?
*As far as I know, yes.  --Pariah Press 05:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inertialess Drive 

message: * Roderick Kinnison's name in the original version of Triplanetary was Commissioner Hinkle, Amazing Stories March 1934 p. 23, corresponding to first book edition pp. 208 & 212.  Senator Morgan's scene seems to be a complete interpolation. (unsigned by User:FlashSheridan)
::Interesting. Perhaps more appropriate for the Lensman article than this one though. By the way, good work on the article, Flash. It's beginning to look really good. -- Derek Ross | Talk 16:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  This is starting to look really good.  If I ever update Z9M9Z, I'll be sure to link to it.  --Pariah Press 02:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks to both of you; I'll copy this to the Lensman article, and make further additions there, not here. --FlashSheridan 05:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: *Is Clock Work traitor really the best choice for a picture on this page?  The book (and all of the D'alembert series after the first book) was really written by Stephen Goldin.  See his page. --Pariah Press 00:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. -- Derek Ross | Talk 18:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clockwork Traitor? 

message: One l or two ?  -- Beardo 05:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Two: "MacDougall", both in the future, e.g., Children of the Lens, and the past, Trestrail p. 3. FlashSheridan 16:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: While we're on that topic, Clarrissa is spelled with two R's in the series, iirc. CroydThoth (talk) 19:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macdougal(l) 

message: A series of commentless edits around 23:08, 25 August 2006 changed "Trweel" (Smith's incorrect [but common] spelling, "Epic of Space" p. 80) to "Tweel" (Weinbaum's spelling, Best of Stanley G. Wienbaum p. 5), and delinked a number of terms, including the first body link to T. O'Conor Sloane, and some hopeful links, e.g., to Verna Smith Trestrail.  
—FlashSheridan 18:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commenting on Trweel => Tweel and removal of hopeful links  

message: Quite a find by Pariah Press; the article isn't mentioned in Lucchetti's bibliography, nor yours, nor Sanders', and a Google search turned up completely blank.  Chester Fowler Smith has only one Google hit, a sad one, in the Latah County, Idaho Star-Mirror:  ; he seems to have died in California of tuberculosis the following year, after taking a teaching fellowship at Berkeley.  Does anyone know anything about more him?  The last name suggests a relationship, though my notes don't have any reference to him.
The URL you give seems not to work for me (a frequent problem for library catalogs).  The University of Idaho Libraries search page is presumably more permanent; searching for ""Some clays of Idaho"" leads to ; I don't know how long that link will be valid.
:If the transience is a problem we might be able to copy the thesis to Wikisource. After all since it was written in 1914, it is in the public domain now. -- Derek Ross | Talk 18:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found it a few months ago using Google Scholar.  It would be amusing to see Some Clays of Idaho available online.  Any Smith fans in Moscow willing to make the trip to the library? --Pariah Press 02:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the current online location of Some Clays of Idaho http://digital.lib.uidaho.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/etd/id/538 Bizzybody (talk) 06:11, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Some clays of Idaho" by Chester Fowler Smith and Edward Elmer Smith 

message: The date of his birth was pretty straight forward.  Is there a reason why the date of his death is buried in a story?
[76.184.234.133 30 December 2006]
:So far as I’m concerned, merely that I haven’t gotten that far yet :-)  (The original version had worse problems than that.)
:—FlashSheridan 17:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: I've done a little more playing with the census and with rootsweb.com and have added quite a bit of detail on Dr. Carl Garby and somewhat less on Mrs. Garby.  The biographical note that accompanies the Rootsweb citation suggests that they might be in Michigan in 1949, which raises speculation that the Garby's followed the Smiths to Michigan, but it is indicated as unproven information and I'm not sure if I propose following the Garby's to that extent.  Since I've not been able to find Doc in the 1910 (in particular, in this context) or 1920 census, any comments about a relationship with the Garby's prior to their arrival in DC is shear speculation, but the rootsweb post provides a definite history for Garby in Idaho, and it seems plausible that Garby was a fellow student at UI who also moved to DC with Doc.--Doc W 01:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking as a Skylark fan, I urge you (or your friend) to follow this up. This is research worth doing and worth publishing. However speaking as a Wikipedian. I have to urge caution. This is definitely Original Research and as such policy says that it cannot be added to Wikipedia until after it has been published elsewhere. Now I'm not going to stop you publishing your results on the Wikipedia because I am as interested as you are and I know that you are doing this in good faith. However please be aware that there are many on the Wikipedia who are sticklers for policy and who would not take such a lenient view as I do. My recommendation is that you follow up, publish, then summarise the results for the articles here in order to avoid any possible problems with the Wikipedia policy "enforcers". -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Derek, thanks for the comments. I was not aware on the prohibition against original research.  While I've certianly published information here not previously correlated with Doc and the Garby's, everything goes back to well established primary sources (census etc.) or secondary research as noted, so I see no problems so far.  If I pursue the connection with Mrs. Garby, I will seek publication elsewhere before I incorporate it in the formal text of the article.  --Doc W 00:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lee Hawkins Garby 

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message: Hi All!
I'm not at all sure if this is the right place for this but here goes...
I'm new to this site & stumbled on it purely by accident while searching
google for a complete set of the classic lensman series.
I was given the 3rd book in the series by an uncle & a couple of years later 
my mother found second stage lensman.
I know I must be able to get this set from somewhere as I finally managed to get the 
foundation trilogy & the 2 books that followed them...
So if anyone out there could help me to find or point me in the right direction this would end an agony
of years searching ....
Thank you ...Del...'''
: See E._E._Smith#_note-82 for the recommended order.  I’ve had good luck ordering the books from Amazon for my nephew.
:—FlashSheridan 16:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Endless Search!''' 

message: The Gutenberg Project page linked at the bottom has a book or story called Subspace Survivors, but that title isn't mentioned on the page here at all. The PG page says it came from the July 1960 Astounding Science Fact and Fiction, so it seems likely that it's the first 30 pages of Subspace Explorers mentioned in the article, but can this be verified? --68.44.13.236 02:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Best of E.E. "Doc" Smith reprints a "Subspace Survivors".  It tells the same story as the first few chapters of Subspace Explorers, but has significant differences in wording, and one or two added scenes. CroydThoth (talk) 19:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subspace Survivors 

message: Ron Howard's Imagine Entertainment and Universal Studios are in negotiation with the Smith estate for an 18-month film rights option on the series. SCI-FI Weekly, Jan. 14, 2008.  http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/ accessed January 14, 2008.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doc W (talk • contribs) 04:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Movie? 

message: I just finished the tedious task of cleaning up a bunch of duplicate footnotes.  I know it's a bit of trouble, but please try to keep the footnotes tidy, as there are a lot of them.  
--Pariah Press (talk) 03:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicated footnotes 

message: Well, are we?  
--Pariah Press (talk) 03:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, to answer my own question, I'd say that we need to take a serious look at the images here.  
--Pariah Press (talk) 03:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are we ready for Good Article nomination? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Clockwork traitor.JPG

message: There is one apparently now unknown, and sort lived, book in the Lensman series which is missing from the book list for this series. Dr. Smith did publish a book titled "The Red Lensman" As a young teenager in 1967 I read this book, it was a numbered first addition signed copy with, as I recall book number #96.  It sticks in my mind because this was first such book I had seen.  The Red Lensman book was later incorporated into the Second Stage Lensman. When you read the Second Stage Lensman you can see the basic story.  Lensman Kimball Kinnison sent Clarissa MacDougall to the Plant of the Amazons. Kinnison with Mentor of Arisia watching gave Clarissa the "treatment" and made her a lensman he did this so Clarissa could deal with the Amazons who had rather impressive mental powers, she called herself a "Red Lensman", "not a real lensman". The Red Lemsman was the story of her work with the Matriarchy of Layrane and the Amazon Kinnison called Helen of Troy. I wish I had this book now, a signed and numbered edition of the Red Lensman it would surely be worth it's weight in gold.Transmaster (talk) 07:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Red Lensman 

message: I think it looks a little clumsy the way it is now. The chemical and his writing career are tangled into each other. Why not dedicate one section to his life as a writer, and another to his work in the food industry and such? It has already been tried, but it was changed back the way it was. 84.210.35.162 (talk) 00:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: His biography

message: I must say this is a beautiful article.
A couple of things that could be added, if they could be tracked down.
* Many years ago there was a parody of Grey Lensman in Analog (the auccessor to Astunding); it may have been in a parody issue.
* I recall a quote (Heinlein?) to the effect that he believed that the character could repair a downed ship(?) because Smith convinced him that he could have done this himself.
Anything on concepts Smith brought to SF? The credit, perhaps?Mzk1 (talk) 22:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A couple of notes 

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message: This article has been placed in the category "Guggenheim Fellows", but this is not correct; "Doc" Smith never received a Guggenheim Fellowship. The E. E. Smith who received a Guggenheim Fellowship was a psychologist who lived 1940-2012 and received the award in 1992.https://www.gf.org/fellows/all-fellows/edward-e-smith/https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/remembering-edward-e-smith-2 I have removed the category from the article, but as a new editor, I thought I should explain my reason for the change.
Dellaran (talk) 15:57, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guggenheim Fellowship 

message: Could someone go in and complete all the partial citations that are just an author name and page number? Whatever publications are being referenced aren't mentioned anywhere on the page, and it makes the citations almost unusable. Thanks! Xscapist (talk) 22:42, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partial Citations