Talk:Zuko/Archive 1

message: His mother was a Princess. Married to Prince Ozai, therefore Princess by her husband's right! Unlike her daughter, Azula, who is a Princess through birthright/blood.
Question: Do you mean him by chance? I mean, this is Zuko's board.... (Sayasha)
--Yes, I meant his mother.
Also, someone changed her name to Fire Lady Ursa, but she did not ascend the throne with her husband. She left before he became Fire Lord.
Technically if she is still alive they would be married, so I'd say she's still the Fire Lady (???) - H2P
No because she left and wasn't crowned with her husband. So she never ascended to that title.
Okay, STOP IT! Stop changing her name to Fire Lady Ursa! She was never crowned as the Fire Lord's official consort because she left before he was crowned! You're pissing me off!
:Agreed.  Even if she is still alive, which is unknown, she was never crowned as a Fire Lady; the last position she officially held was that of Princess regardless of her currently being alive or dead.  Prototime 22:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  His mother 

message: This is as good a page as any for me to ask on, with the "Zutara" mention, I have to say something.  I do realize that Wikipedia doesn't have to worry about space constraints when deciding what can and cannot go into it, but to what extent should fan-shipping be included in this articles?  If I write a fanfic about Aang and Zuko becoming lovers, and call it "Zukang" shipping, and it picked up in popularity, with more writing such pairing in fanfics, would this be worth mentioning on Zuko's and Aang's pages?
Has this been covered on Wikipedia somewhere I'm unaware of?  I checked the shipping (fandom) page and its associated talk page, but didn't catch anything about the inclusion of mention about shipping on fictional character pages.
I wouldn't expect Bill Gates's page to suggest that fanfic writers like to pair him up with Martha Stewart (assuming such fanfics were written and popular).
Lesoria 04:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You people have too much time on your hands...--BorisFromStockdale 04:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First, I’d suggest that you review Wikipedia’s policy regarding personal attacks. I think you’ll find things work better when you don’t call other editors names. Secondly, that Ursa died was never said or shown on screen. It is, admittedly, a popular theory, but it isn’t fact.--Fyre2387 02:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasoning for including [[Shipping (fandom)|shipping]]? 

message: Now look, I know that the Zutara thing sounds pretty farfetched, and its pretty obvious that the people writing this article are biased towards the Kataang thing, but please show a little more respect towards Zutara. I know that there is no solid evidence for Zutara, but the evidence for Kataang is completely coincidental. I will try to explain this, the first time Aang thinks of Katara as a romantic interest was in the Fourtune teller, and then Aunt Wu tells Katara that she will marry a powerful bender, and then at the end of the episode they point to Aang via "Sometimes I forget how powerful a bender Aang is." My point being is that why give such a vauge clue with "powerful bender" and immediatley point to Aang, in the same episode Aang falls in love with Katara ? And they continue this with the cave of two lovers, lets face it, we know they wanted us to think Aang and Katara kissed, but there is no solid evidence that they did, why would they do that?  Now I know that all the clues point to Aang, but I remeber the Harry Potter series (Spolier Ahead) that only had a slight mention of Harry/Ginny in the begining when Ginny had a crush on Harry, and it was countinued to make it look like a girlish crush, and then Ginny moved on to more boyfriends, and then BAM!! Harry/Ginny became Cannon. There are other things I could say about this that I wont but let me leave with this, Katara and Sokka were the first two to find Aangs, and they have been friends ever since there meeting, but when Aang and Katara first saw each other, the didnt really think of eachother in that way. They've been through so much, the could practicly be brother and sister. Now Katara and Zuko have been eneimes since day 1, and been bareknuckle fighting since day 2, this kind of relation ship could go many different ways, I dont know who said this, but what they said was "the person you know best, is your enemy." and I know who said this, "People fight, and sometimes get married, and do a much different kind of fighting after that." C.S Lewis. I know that a lot of people will hate me for saying this, some will call me a noob, but hey, its all good.  And if it turns out that the Katang thing is for real, Hey no hard feelings.
Answer:
How about instead we don't include theorized relationships.
::Better Answer: WP:DELUSION. Pacific Coast Highway blah • my tracks 16:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please. It's an unnecessary concession to Zuko/Katara shippers to have Katara listed on Zuko's page at all considering they don't actually have any meaningful connection or relationship in the canon. Raceberry 00:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Special attention obviously needs to be paid to the bios for Aang, Katara, Zuko, and Toph. Also, I've seen at least one edit war in the Mai bio over whether she likes Zuko that resulted in a parenthetical aside in one sentence to the effect of "SHE STILL LIKES HIM" that specifically contradicted the rest of the sentence which was implying that she doesn't. Embarassing is right. --Raceberry 03:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed as well. I've cleaned up this page and the Katara page a bit a couple weeks back or so, but much still needs to be done.  I'd be interested in doing more.  Who's up for some multi-page ship-burning? Prototime 05:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to ask me twice. Especially since I checked the Katara page today and someone has readded a bunch of stuff about "Zutara" to the the Prince Zuko part of her "Relationships" section. Honestly, I think that the ship-burning should start with removing people from characters' relationship sections who only have meaningful relationships/connections in fanfiction. For instance, right now, with all of the bias that used to be in it removed, the Katara section of Zuko's bio is just a recap of the few interactions they've had, which are just Zuko-looking-for-Aang stuff. I mean, Sokka and Zuko fight twice notably in the pilot, Sokka insults him in Bato of the Water Tribe and vocally supports leaving him to die in Seige of the North, but Sokka doesn't make an appearance in Zuko's relationship section. Basically, if we're going to put every person that a character has had interactions with on their character page, then fine, but it certainly shouldn't be done selectively just because people happen to ship a pair. I've also been considering doing a clean up of the episode pages which tend to be full of more fancruft and lots of speculation and conjecture under the "Trivia" sections. They're also not that grammatically tight. Raceberry 06:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Half of the "Relationships" section is too much speculation. If no one else beats me to it, I'll get to taking out the trash. --Antrophica 11:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thank you for stating the glaringly obvious. Eban 23:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: This is most likely due to concentration during fighting. Any looking into his character that he hasn't stated himself is speculation.H2P 20:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: One question, where do you get this "proof" from? It seems like a bunch of coincidences mixed together. Pacific Coast Highway (blah • Closed Captioned) 23:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with Katara 

message: What the hell is this shit and why does Wikipedia direct me here when I search for "zuzu"? Shouldn't I be directed to the It's a Wonderful Life page rather than some Nick kid's show?? V. embarrassing to Wikipedia. If you guys think this is the place for complex and massively detailed articles about obscure cartoons, that's your right, but please don't make unrelated searches go to your page.  160.39.187.92 (talk) 16:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What?? 

message: Anyone else think it's time to update his picture to one more current? It doesn't look as if his hair will change much more, and besides, we're 1/2 way through the season, if you've seen Day of Black Sun by now. GdaMan 03:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed as well, though of course no one has seen the illegally leaked Day of Black Sun yet >.>  春<FONT FACE="Maiandra GD" COLOR=#0000FF>Harukaze</FONT>風 19:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 3 picture 

message: Will people please bother to check the article for spoilers? There are spoilers that need to be removed on the personality section and the relationship with Ursa section. 68.175.106.168 (talk) 05:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Day of Black Sun spoilers 

message: I put the picture that I originally uploaded back, my reasoning being that it's a better crop without the giant "Nick" logo on it, and whereas the other picture was very heavily shadowed and farther away, this one is clear, closer-up, you can see his scar better, and it's just an all-around better picture, IMO. Not to mention it depicts Zuko looking ornery, but determined which I think is a very good representation of his general character as opposed to the other picture where he's more or less staring forward expressionlessly. Raceberry 05:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season Two picture 

message: Ok, not to bring this up, after the 1 month chat about it, but there is a slit "Zuko's age problem" to tend to. Not big, dont worry. Just the part, where it says that "..Zuko was about 10-years-old...". Can we really put that in? I mean, with about in there, it kinda flys, but since his age at the time is not known, can it be on there. for all we know, he was only 8-years-old. wich, doesnt pass well with the 10-years-old part. Just saying. ~Sayasha
:I think it was originally put there because that's about the age he looked. Other than that, I changed it so as to not cause any more... whatever, too much crap for one night. H2P 07:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I put that in there for the purposes of specificity, my source being the official site where it states in Azulon's bio that he died six years ago. Raceberry 07:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick Note 

message: Why isn't there a section about Zuko's bending? We have one for Aang, Katara and Toph, so why not Zuko? At least something about his fighting style or sowards. September 26 15:45 Momoroxmysoxoff
:Wow... I just now noticed that there isn't one. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 19:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There still isn't one. What's up? Doesn't anyone want to do it? 202.72.187.152 16:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's stopping you? I just haven't had the time. I get on, need to revert 50 some things, then I go do my other stuff outside of Wiki. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 18:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: From there we can atleast edit it. As I proved below, though, there is no blue fire used in City of Walls and Secrets. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 18:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bending 

message: This is getting kind of long guys. I suggest adding more pictures in the relationships section, something like Zuko fighting Jet or talking to Jin or whatever. What we need is distractors that allow you to scroll down and not see a huge body of text. I know how everyone loves an anti-hero, but this body of information is huge compared to Aang and his group. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm on it. ^_^ -Redsparta 06:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lengthy 

message: See Talk: Uncle Iroh#Requested move to discuss. Please do not discuss the move here, follow the link.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Move 

message: It seems to me that the Personality section is a little... awkward? I don't know if someone wants to try integratting it better with the rest of the article, I was just passing through and noticed it left a little something to be desired grammatically, so I did my best giving it a makeover.Sean Patrick Santos 23:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personality Section 

message: Are the details in the relationship between Sokka and Zuko important enough for there to be a section devoted to it? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sokka 

message: "At first, Zuko lashes out and turns to robbery, even to those who are kind to him. However, over time, Zuko begins to calm himself and act in a better way"
A 'better' way?
Insert formula here
Um...I changed something on the trivia section. Lee/Li (however you want to spell it) also means "Strength" in Chinese. Its a Chinese boy's name. I got this information off of a Chinese baby name websight. -DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 04:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personality Section: NPOV 

message: Should there be spoilers for Lake Laogai {and unaired episodes in general} in this article? Although there's a spoiler warning near the beginning, people might not expect unaired episode spoilers. --NoraBlack 04:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm hoping H2P's remark was sarcastic. If not, it's ridiculous. Pacific Coast Highway {Gobble Gobble! • Happy Thanksgiving!} 02:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it was. Apparently people didn't see that. If we start changing his picture every time his hair grows we'll be changing it once a week. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 02:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I knew that. I was just testing you.  Pacific Coast Highway {Gobble Gobble! • Happy Thanksgiving!} 03:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the pic from above looks like it was from "Zuko Alone," which was pretty early in the season.  Now we're towards the end of the season, so isn't it time for an update? We don't have to change it every new episode.  GdaMan 03:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

text: My personal suggestion: update the picture, but only if we have a more recent picture that is of equal or better quality than the one that's there now.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, I was just thinking that we might even get a really good pic. from lake laogai (Just the way the camera looked at him), but maybe in some of the newer episodes will be as good as this one (I like it, but I think maybe it might be time for change). Momoroxmysoxoff 20:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lake Laogai spoilers 

message: I think that Zuko may be the one to train Aang in book 3. Since it is unlikely that he'll ever be able to return to the fire nation, his hatred of Azula, his slow change into a good guy, and Uncle Iroh helping him, he might decide to help Aang. What do you think?
:That's nice, but this isn't a forum. You want to discuss speculation, go to a forum. We only do facts on this web site, and this page is meant for changes to the associated page. Good day sir. Y BCZ 22:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, I know Zuko has shown interest in finding the Avatar to assist him but I don't recall him saying that he was going to teach Aang firebending. Personally I believe he will but I think the article should say he is likely to teach Aang firebending or just simply state he left to join Aang and his party. 71.247.193.174 (talk) 02:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're a bit behind.  They've already aired "the firebending masters" where he does start to teach Aany firebending (albeit interrupted for reasons in the episode). Derekloffin (talk) 02:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome, thanks. I didn't know that. Feel free to ignore my comment then. 71.247.193.174 (talk) 02:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Train Aang? 

message: I've made some efforts to condense the synopsis of Book Two slightly and make it flow better.. what does everyone think? Wandering Man 07:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season Two 

message: I noticed that someone has made Zuko a firebending master, even though it's just a title. When did that happen? And can we consider him a master?Boywonder18 00:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He redirects the lightning which Iroh says he could do, all he said was Zuko couldn't create it until he let go of his shame. Joeking16 (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you finally. Never do that again. Can we have a source please? -Dylan0513 20:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That is not a source. A source is needed. -Dylan0513 20:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: There is no mention of Zuko being a Fire Bending master in the show. Period. A link to an official site or an interview woukld probably be the only things. -Dylan0513 22:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: As you can see, this is the English Wikipedia meaning we don't use the Spanish form of shows. I highly doubt it said he was even said at all in the Spanish version. -Dylan0513 20:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: ...did you even read what I wrote? No Spanish Avatar as a source! -Dylan0513 01:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes. Someone could be kept at a non-master rank for their entire life, no matter how well they bend. Or don't bend. Really, anyone could beat anyone. It's not just a matter of bending skills or lack of them, there are many factors that result in the outcome of a fight. One person or group of people are not always guaranteed to win because of what they are ranked. Bagpipeturtle 03:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: He's not even close to master. I don't know where you are getting this from. -Dylan0513 23:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: There aren't any ranks that we know of between normal and master, so we can't just make things up willy-nilly. Zuko will stay a normal firebender until he is promoted in the show in canon. And about the Katara/Toph/Azula thing mentioned several posts ago, Katara was promoted during Seige of the North, was it? She was at the North Pole with Master Pakku, and he said something about Aang calling her Master Katara. Which means she's a master. I'm pretty sure it was stated that Toph was a master in the Blind Bandit somewhere, plus the whole 'greatest earthbender in the world' thing. About Azula... there is something about that on her talk page. Bagpipeturtle 00:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted out someone's edit calling him a master. If there's no source do not change it folks. Sources, not speculation. Eban 20:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firbending Master 

message: These two are listed under the realtionships section but are they really large enough characters to be there? They were both only there for one episdoe each. Jin I can inderstand because she was pretty much Zuko's first relationship even if she was only there for one episode. But Song? She hardly had a large enough role to be truly significant and her chances of being seen again are fairly low.
I think at least Song's section should be deleted. Anyone agree? 69.141.78.155 21:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been wondering about Song for awhile. She seemed to have an effect about Zuko, as he learned about the troubles his people had inflicted upon innocents. However, he also met Lee's family during that time, and they aren't listed in the relationships section. Jin was there for only a few minutes, but the fact that they kissed does kind of play a big factor. I don't think we really need Song there anymore. Y BCZ 22:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't get too far ahead of yourself, the subject only just came up an hour ago. Wait to hear other people's opinions. Y BCZ 22:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I see no reason for either of them, but I forsee Jin playing a role in upcoming episodes so, for now, I say we can leave her. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I personally don't think Jin or anything or anyone else from Tales of Ba Sing Se will have any impact beyond that episode, but I'd be in favor of leaving her paragraph in the relationship section in, since a date is a notable event for Zuko. I think it might be best to just limit Song to the bit that is mentioned in the Book II section, however. That part seems to cover most of what there is to say between her and Zuko. Wandering Man 06:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jin and Song 

message: Due to the fact that information on this page won't be updated for a good while, and due to the overall length and style of the article, I suggest that we clean this up just a bit more and then nominate it for FA status. In order to do this, though, we are going to need to cite many of the episodes as sources (similar to what I did to Waterbender a while back). I've cleaned a few unnecessary pictures from the page, the rest need proper citation (I don't think the Jet picture works all that well). I know we're all working real hard to nominate the main Avatar article, but if we get a chance we could easily convert this along with it. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 16:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The biggest problem is that most of the article reads as an list of episode summarys. All of our project shall decend upon this aricle and make it worthy of Featured Articleness. Cnriaczoy42 16:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just finished pruning through the history section (not sure if I hit the stuff prior to book 1). The problem is that the history is the story section and a story section is nothing more than episode summaries. I think I was able to remove all the very small details. I think his relationship with Jet (atleast, in the story section) is not needed but I did't remove it yet. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 17:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm new here, and would just like to say you might want to update his summary. You could mention the fact he's a tragic hero, and make it sound a bit more... interesting. That's all. 22:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Scroll up the Lengthness. I don't get why people don't see that. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By definition. "Tragic hero: a literary character who makes an error of judgment or has a fatal flaw that, combined with fate and external forces, brings on a tragedy." That's a direct quote from a dictionary. 02:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA 

message: Why would one main character page be top importance over the others? I know this one may be the most detailed and longest, but tthis is importance. -Dylan0513 01:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Importance? 

message: Should Mai still be in the character relationship. I remember others being taken out because of lack of depth and all it really mentions is Mai's apparent childhood crush on Zuko. Since Mai's appearance, there has been no interaction between the two and seeing how the season has ended, I think it's time it was taken down.
-Lionheart08
:Why? Now that they're both in Ba Sing Se, and (you would think) in th same palace, there should be interaction. And they did interact in "Zuko Alone" (the whole "game" insident). Momoroxmysoxoff 20:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, and if Mai interacts with him in Book Three, we can always put her back on. Bagpipeturtle 17:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (*cries*) Well...I should have known this would happen after what happened to Haru...Oh well. I don't see how they can't have no intersection in book three anyway...so once agian I admit defeat. Momoroxmysoxoff 22:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Lol, did you guys see the ComicCon trailer?  I think Mai deserves a spot in the Character Relationships section now.  74.233.144.186 23:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, we have no idea what the circumstances were, so no. When the episode they kiss in is aired, then we can add it. Bagpipeturtle 02:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mai? 

message: This is just a personal opinion but I think the relationships aren't really needed for the character pages. It seems since the relationship pages were created, it has only sprouted more controversy on what is considered a relationship, and what is merely fandom. Add on to that, with a future season coming, there's only going to be more increase to that particular section.
The character pages (Mainly Zuko's and Aang's) are far too long and the character relationships is the only reasonable thing to cut out. And I personally think there already enough on the pages without relationships, to give anyone enough insight on the characters. Lionheart08 20:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...I disagree. The relationship between characters is one of the show's most prominent and important elements. Just think of how much Katara has affected Aang's actions, or Iroh has unfluenced Zuko. Those are very important aspects of the characters. Deleting those sections would be leaving out some essential information. Besides, I think taking out the relationship sections would cause even MORE controversy than already exists. Y BCZ 22:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Y, but I think we need to reword them so that instead of just showing how they've interacted, show how they influenced the other. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 23:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I was thinking was to use something along the lines of a Character Analysis. Because when you get right down to it, only a few characters on each list played a vital role in the respective character's evolution. Despite her small role, Jin played a major part in Zuko's season 2 development while Jet didn't really. Lionheart08 21:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships Removal 

message: Almost this is entire page is original research. Please read WP:OR before adding things you have written yourself. Sources are needed to back up all statements on WP. - Ocatecir 19:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I reverted your gutting of the article. The source is the show itself, which is well established practice. If you'd like to cite specific example of what you think are OR, fine, but don't think you're just going to wipe the article clean like that.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is what I also told Ocatecir on his user talk page. There is no OR, but it is a way too detailed character synopsis.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just left a message on his talkpage. Which he immediately deleted. I think it's banhammer time. Or call one of the commitees. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 01:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I see he gave you the backspace treatment too. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 02:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. I don't really see what can be done, if every effort to discuss the issue is going to be ignored.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly your responses turned me off to trying to argue with you, especially pacific coast highway's comments about abuse (and then banhammer time and committee? please. I know you're only 16 but please conduct yourself with a little maturity). I'm not going to argue with 15 editors who are obviously fans of a subject I know nothing about and treat your adherence to rules as an attack on them. The problem with arguing with webcomic/anime/podcast editors on wikipedia is they treat wikipedia as an all-inclusive resource instead of a wikipedia. So go ahead and revert this article to a 15 page long fansite, someone else later on down the line should clean it up though. There are plenty of other pages that need to be cleaned up to comply with wikipedia's guidelines that I don't need to be arguing here. I will simply move on. - Ocatecir 02:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So much for civility. And continuously ignoring/removing messages from your talkpage dosen't look good on your part either. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 02:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this guy kidding? Didn't we just have Torchic on the main page a few weeks back? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The whole article is original research. Nothing is backed up by sources. I seriously hope you aren't serious about submitting this to FA or even GA with 0 references. Saying "the show is the reference itself" isn't good enough. I would fail this as a GA but i'm interested in what another editor thinks. M3tal H3ad 11:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I direct you to Padme Amidala who's featured article status is backed up mostly, almost fully, but references to the movie and the books of the Star Wars universe. I see no difference except that we don't have many outside sources like reviews and interviews that we can actually use. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 14:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: This article has a lot of flaws and I'm going to fail it. The lead should summarize the entire article and be longer than two paragraphs for an article of this size (see WP:LEAD). The article doens't have any inline citations, which is should have. The article has a "original research" tag. I won't get into whether it is justified, but a good article should have resolves these issues. Articles should not contain trivia sections. Finally, the entire article is in-universe and should have out-of-universe information, such as how was the character created in the real world (see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(writing_about_fiction)). --Maitch 15:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't have that information. All the information we have about the character is presented. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 17:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: I was watching last nigh, and Iroh mentioned something about Zuko's Breath of Flame (?) not really sure what this is, but should it be included in the abilitis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.80.121.174 (talk) 03:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breath of Flame? 

message: Zuko meets most of the requirements of a Tragic Hero.  And note that a tragic hero is often a protagonist, but can be an antagonist —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.143.195 (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not a protagonist. And don't make up statistics like that. -Dylan0513 13:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean he's not a protagonist? Did you not watch the first season? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 22:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's an antagonist... I really hope you were being sarcastic. -Dylan0513 00:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You know, i think the internet needs a sarcasim symbol :-P. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 05:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, in this situation it's inappropriate though. -Dylan0513 13:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, yeah, he is some of the things listed on that page, but just because someone has those characteristics doesn't necessarily mean that they have to die at the end of the series. There aren't rules on how you have to work a storyline. It isn't set into stone anywhere. Just because someone is a king of sorts, and they have flaws, and they suffer more than they deserve, and all the other stuff listed here, doesn't mean they have to die. Anything could happen. Oh, and Zuko is mostly an antagonist. Not a protagonist. Bagpipeturtle 01:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tragic Hero 

message: You must have deleted my Blue Spirit (Character) article because I didn't use the talkpage first. If you added an article like Clark Kent and Superman, you can't add an article like The Blue Spirit (Character) for Zuko? You should have also put up articles for the superhero's alter egos like Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker if you put up Clark Kent and Superman. Sometimes, this site can just get a little weird. But if your reason is that I didn't use the talkpage first, fine. But can I just put up an article for the blue spirit (character) again? Jimblack 23:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the Blue Spirit really has enough information to have its own page. I think just being put in Zuko's page is sufficent. Bagpipeturtle 23:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jim, you're probably talking to me there? You can't just go on an article's talk page and address me as "you". I doubt anyone else understood who you were talking to. Anyway, I didn't delete ANY of the articles you created. I've only notified you of article deletions and kept in touch with you. I suggested you use talk pages to gain consensus for major changes and article creations. If people know what you're up to, they can either help you or talk you out of it. Also, if someone leaves you a message on your talk page, you should respond to it. That's all I said and I see you've been taking my advice to heart. As to your Clark Kent/Superman argument: They are the same person, so creating 2 articles would be redundant. Lastly, I know very little about Avatar, so don't as me.--Atlan (talk) 00:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Blue Spirit (Character) Article 

message: First off for Zuko is his position; Exiled Prince, just Prince, or ex-exiled prince(last one was a joke)? Keyblade Mage 02:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He is the Crown Prince. -- Madd the sane (talk) 18:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No longer is he crown prince, as of "Day of the Black Sun Part 2: The Eclipse"(which has aired,and uploaded to the internet) he chooses to put down his crown and follow/join aang and help him learn firebending, and help him fight against the firelord -- variables1 01:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but have you been reading any of the talk pages.  The Day of Black Sun HAS NOT AIRED.  Uploaded to the internet does not equal being aired on television.  Enough already, people, all you have to wait is another 10 days, or three if Canada airs Friday.  Give it a rest already!  春・<FONT FACE="Maiandra GD" COLOR=#0000FF>Harukaze</FONT>・風 15:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zuko's Position 

message: Does anyone know, what "zuzu" means?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.177.74.165 (talk) 21:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it have to mean something? TakaraLioness 00:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname Zuzu 

message: Call it speculation, but I believe that the series has given sufficient evidence for the argument that Princess Ursa is dead.
In "Zuko Alone", Azula tells Zuko that Azulon ordered to have Ozai's first-born killed so he may learn to respect Iroh. Ursa then visits her son in the middle of the night and tells him that everything she has done has been to protect him, and then she 'goes missing'. The most logical explanation would be that she sacrificed herself to prevent Zuko from being killed. Also, as it states in the article, the dragon in Zuko's dream says to "sleep just like mother", which seems like an obvious reference to her death.
--Marshmello 22:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zuko's mother... 

message: Where has it been said that Zuko is older than Azula, much less by 2 years?  I don't recall any statement in the show of their relative ages, and their interpersonal dynamic suggests to me that she's the elder.  --  AvatarMN 06:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the official site has their ages, I think. TakaraLioness 18:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, in the flashbacks of Zuko Alone, it's pretty clear that he's the elder, IMO. Bagpipeturtle 22:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any character bios on the official site, where is it?  And what about "Zuko Alone" suggests he's older?  In it he says he's heir to the throne, but females may not be eligible.  -- AvatarMN 06:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, on the little episode info bit for "The Avatar State," in the Character's section, it has a description of Azula that reads, "...Azula is Zuko's 14-year-old younger sister." And in "Avatar Roku," Iroh tells Zuko that sailing into Fire Nation waters was the most foolish thing that Zuko's done in his sixteen years. TakaraLioness 12:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see...  But the website isn't necessarily canon.  I wish they'd put it in the show, it's a fairly important detail.  -- AvatarMN 17:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Er.. Since when is the site not canon? Okay... Well, even if Azula is mentally older than Zuko, she's biologically younger. I mean, didn't the creators state at a convention that she was his younger sister? And the Avatar-exclusive magazines say the same, I'm sure... TakaraLioness 21:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you know what canon means?  The only website I can think of (I'm sure there are more) that was canon is Donnie Darko's.  And that's maybe only because it debuted after the film was in the can and the creators couldn't touch the film any more, but Avatar is ongoing.  Not even things that creators say in public and print but never put into the source material itself can always be considered canon, because they may change their mind, and instead put something contradictory into canon.  Things J.K. Rowling said, and documents she displayed, later went on to be revised and contradictory information was put by her into the Harry Potter books themselves.  I'm not saying Azula isn't younger, after this discussion I concede that she probably is.  I'm just saying the canon (the show) never says, and it's easy to infer from the canon that Zuko's the younger sibling, and that's something the creators need to fix by putting this fact into the canon.  -- AvatarMN 17:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's older? 

message: Please note that I have requested and received semi-protected status for this page.  The protection will stand for 18 days, until the actual airing of The Day of Black Sun episodes.  As these two episodes were leaked and have not aired anywhere legally, we should not include content from those episodes on these pages.
I have seen varying release dates for these episodes overseas.  The only "official" date I have seen for the UK is the 30th, like the US, but I have heard that the UK and Canada might see these episodes one week earlier, on the 23rd.  If this is the case, I will request for these pages to be unlocked - US release, as one user pointed out, is not the original air date.
Until then, please, please do not make edits to these pages regarding the unaired content.  They will be reverted.  春<FONT FACE="Maiandra GD" COLOR=#0000FF>Harukaze</FONT>風 20:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i believe the official air date for the us is the 23 based on the commercials on nick they are to be shown each consecutive week and next friday the 16th will be 309 so 310 will be on the 23rd  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akuzio (talk • contribs) 07:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, Nick has decided to preempt Avatar with a Spongebob marathon.  *sighs*  Of all things to delay Avatar, it had to be Spongebob.  I felt greatly insulted when I read that.  春<FONT FACE="Maiandra GD" COLOR=#0000FF>Harukaze</FONT>風 11:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The Powers That Be™ didn't think the problem was bad enough to warrant a full lock.  They don't seem to do that very often, sadly.  I'll try to check these pages out tonight.  Especially the secondary character list, someone [was it you I think?] mentioned there're still spoilers we missed, but I shouldn't even be on wiki from work >.>  春<FONT FACE="Maiandra GD" COLOR=#0000FF>Harukaze</FONT>風 20:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed a spoiler on Mai's section of the secondary characters' page. Full protection is indeed very rare, but for good reason; suppose, say, Mike and Bryan publish a new interview with important Zuko information in the next 16 days. Or even just copyediting by established editors and such is enough to warrant less-than-full protection. Vandalism or edit warring needs to be extremely bad before full protection overcomes such considerations. As it is, semi-protection brings the spoilers down to a manageable level, as long as we remain vigilant. --Herald Alberich 20:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: You'd have to go back to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and request the protection be removed. Personally, I think it'd be  easier at this point to just let it expire on its own tomorrow. --Herald Alberich (talk) 17:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure how it worked so I thought you had to have it removed instead of letting it expire. Joeking16 (talk) 21:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temporary Semi-Protected Status 

message: I think it is time we removed the Temporary Semi-Protected Status it was added and supposed to stay till DoBS aired, both part have aired already (I don't know how or if I can remove it, sorry). Joeking16 (talk) 20:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You'd have to go back to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and request the protection be removed. Personally, I think it'd be  easier at this point to just let it expire on its own tomorrow. --Herald Alberich (talk) 17:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure how it worked so I thought you had to have it removed instead of letting it expire. Joeking16 (talk) 21:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romve Temporary Semi-Protected Status 

message: "Zuko has yet to use it in combat." is now incorrect as of episode 11 of book 3 where he demonstrated this ability. --M.A. (talk) 06:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When the episode airs on TV, then we can say that. Until then, we have to leave it this way. The Placebo Effect (talk) 06:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirecting lightning 

message: Can anyone explain to me how there have only been 2 generations of zuko's family in 100 years?
Sozin was old when Aang was born. it's now 112 years after Aang's birth. But there have only been two generations between that and zuko who isn't much older than aang. Unless Azulon was born incredibly late in Sozin's life and Ozai was born when Azulon was an old man (which we can see isn't true since Ozai was full grown with children of his own in Azulon's old age)it doesn't seem possible. Even assuming Azulon was born the same day as Aang he would have had to wait until he was in his 60's or so to have Ozai who doesn't appear old at the time of the series. In the real world a generation averages about 25 years in most countries. On the other hand, Iroh does appear much older.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.203.143.61 (talk) 13:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But of course, Azula is a snotty teenager so people like Iroh or any adult past 50 could be ancient to her. 71.247.193.174 (talk) 02:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generations 

message: So some of us know that the episode "The Day of Black Sun" (both parts) have been posted on the internet, even though they haven't aired on television yet. If any of you have seen these episodes you know Zuko's role in the story has changed drastically. I was wondering if everyone was waiting for the actual episodes to air before posting information about Zuko from them or if it's all right to post the information now and it was just that no one has done it yet? Unknown Dragon (talk) 12:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The general decision was made to not allow DOBS info until it officially airs.  That goes for all avatar pages.  Hopefully, that will be soon, I'm sick of reverting people and I'm sure most the other editors are too. Derekloffin (talk) 18:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Day of Black Sun info 

message: I see you guys, finally, got rid of Aang's relationship section. I think we should do the same for Zuko. All the information is already presented in the story section anyway. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 16:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships 

message: While initially, I think past "The Storm" he is no longer the main antagonist, but has become the Anti-hero of the story.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.224.185 (talk) 23:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main antagonist 

message: For some reason, unregistered user Heimushi decided to remove the subheadings in the article, got rid of the relationship paragraph with Jin, and added a whole bunch of DOBS spoilers.  I'm going to go ahead and revert to the article before this person's first edits, but feel free to change back if you'd like. Magaroja 17:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Article decimation 

message: :Image:Zuko in Throne81516.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title:  Fair use rationale for Image:Zuko in Throne81516.jpg 

message: An Anti-villain? Xepeyon 02:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Zuko fit the description of... 

message: This article is way too long.  Unless anyone has any reasons against it, I will be trimming the article to a more appropriate size.  --Hydrokinetics12 (talk) 18:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for that, and the first target of trimming should be the relationship section.  Most of it is redundant with other characters bio's, and what little is useful should be merged into the rest. Derekloffin (talk) 18:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the story section, as that was basicaly a play-by-play analysis of every single episode he has appeared in. Also, the details of the scar's eye mucsles was stupid and useless. --Piemanmoo (talk) 23:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would seem that somebody felt the need to change it back to an overly long, overly detailed plot summary. I'll see if I can fix that. SkepticBanner (talk) 21:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: the Story Section was edited down far, far too much. I'm all for the relationship section, but much has been left out (Western Air temple for instance).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.134.228 (talk) 22:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the amount of cutting down was appropriate, for what it's worth. Carl.bunderson (talk) 04:30, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There wasn't enough information. For instance, it just says that Zhao decided to kill Zuko by assassinating him. The article provided no rational reason why Zhao would do that (rivals certainly isn't enough). If it mentioned the Blue Spirit incident and seeing the duel swords, then it would make perfect sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.134.228 (talk) 06:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

text: We don't need an overly detailed plot summary. I'm going to do my best but I'm still very annoyed at HappyCamper for undoing my edits. Regardless, it is my opinion that the history section is still too long. As for TWAT, that episode has not aired yet so I have no clue what happens in it. SkepticBanner (talk) 09:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not too detailed. If anything, its not detailed enough. Someone has edited it again and deleted 100% essential material (for instance, Zuko and Katara speaking in Ba Sing Se. That is very, very, very relavent to the main plot).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.134.228 (talk) 10:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I reverted the addition of a lot of information added last night, per this discussion. Carl.bunderson (talk) 16:32, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Zuko and Katara speaking has not had a significant impact on the plot so far and is not important enough. SkepticBanner (talk) 06:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You apparently haven't seen the Western Air Temple. It is essential to the main plot. If Katara wasn't imprisoned with Zuko, she would have been far more accepting of him joining the group, but it will take a few episodes to gain her trust due to that episode. Also, why are we editing the main plot and not the relationships? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.134.228 (talk) 07:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The imprisonment thing was unimportant in season 2 and has no place in its plot summary. I'm removing all but absolutely important information that had an impact when whatever is mentioned occurred. The WAT has not aired, so how do you expect me to see it? SkepticBanner (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter that its unimportant in that particular season, just if its important in the overall plot. The White Lotus was unimportant in the second season, but it certainly seems that it will be far more prominent and important this season.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.134.228 (talk) 00:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "it certainly seems"--that is speculation, which is not what WP is all about. Carl.bunderson (talk) 00:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That point may be, but the point of the prison conversation has been shown now.  The general point is that unimportant within one season is NOT a valid reason to omit it, as the summary must be able to show treads over the entire length of the series.  For example, Suki was essentially pointless in season 1, but reappeared as a major point for Sokka in 2 and 3.  If you omit her from 1 just because she wasn't important yet, the summary falls apart. Of course, that doesn't mean you need a deep discussion of the point, a simple one liner should cover it, but it should be there. Derekloffin (talk) 01:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too long? 

message: The segment is about Zuko and his relation to Jin, but the picture doesn't show Jin's face at all. May I recommend the picture in the "Tales of Ba Sing Se" episode? It shows how Zuko feels awkward towards her and how major Jin's crush on him is. --Andrelius, 5:19 am, October 1 (UTC) (UTC means GMT 0 right?)
:Where is the picture? --Fotte (talk) 13:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think thats from a long time ago, considering that there isn't even a relationship section anymore. Rau's Speak Page 21:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with Jin Picture 

message: I must say that I have a problem with the main picture of Zuko. It depicts him with his hair just growing in, but in the series his hair is now long enough to be pulled back into a topknot. Could someone please change this? Thanks.
--24.60.226.175 (talk) 00:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a shot in mind? I actually like this current picture. Rau's Speak Page 01:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Parent changed the picture. But I think the old one was better. Rau's Speak Page 01:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, me too. I think we need a cross of the old and the new picture. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ message] email) 02:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

text: How's that? — Parent5446 ☯ ([ message] email) 02:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Better, but it still seems too dark. I think the shot of him on the War Balloon in Western Airtemple would be best. It's light and it shows how he's changed. Rau's Speak Page 23:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, I like it. Rau's Speak Page 21:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Picture 

message: In the first paragraph of "Book 2", it's been said "But Zuko is unable to learn because of his mind". The sentence seemed kindda vague to me. In my opinion this version is able to tell the the reader why he couldnt master the lightning at the time : "But Zuko is unable to learn because of his inner conflict". --Fotte (talk) 13:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is better. Isn't that what Iroh said? Rau's Speak Page 21:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if it is Iroh, what can i say :)--Fotte (talk) 15:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lightning Bending 

message: Something that irks me in the section regarding Zuko's story in Season 3 is the sheer length of it compared to the rest of the sections describing Zuko's story (more interesting that the long parts are from episodes that have yet to air in the US). Unfortunately, I for the life of me cannot figure out a way that shortens these to manageable lengths comparable to the previous sections on Seasons 1 and 2 without cutting out what seems to me to be important information. Caterfree10 (talk) 18:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Eww, yea, you're right. If I don't get to it, someone else will surely see this (watchlist) and fix the problem. Rau's Speak Page 20:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season three story 

message: Where is Jin? I don't see her being mentioned anywhere except in the abilities section.
She's very important when it comes to the character's development. Squeeze her in somewhere! Cicaneo
:She was not very important. She had no more effect on him than Mai. The only characters that help in the characters development are Iroh, Azula and Ozai. Rau's Speak Page 12:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jin 

message: Who edited this article putting the template that said that it was "too long"? I think that with the amazing amount of information that was released during the last few episodes of Book 3, the substantial amount of info was needed to explain everything clearly. I vote that we should remove the template on the page, unless someone disagrees? Espilceranul (talk) 10:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. The article is too long. But only because it lack balance. If you can make the rest of the articles sections about the same length as the plot then it can be removed. But, the sections must be improved not simply longer. I've been meaning to cut down on it, I just keep forgetting. Rau's Speak Page 15:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point, I'll try to lengthen the Firebending, Book 1 and Book 2 parts of the article then. Do we have to lengthen all the other articles too (like Aang, Katara, etc.) so that Zuko here isn't too long compared to the others then? Espilceranul (talk) 13:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No... we don't. But, really, if you lengthen them, if we ever try to get it up to GA or FA, long summaries will prevent it from passing. We really just need to shorten the Book 3 section. Rau's Speak Page 18:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length 

message: I am not sure if this was answered in the article, but in the episode "The Blue Spirit", right before Zuko dispatches the last guard, it is seen that Zuko throws some kind of substance at the last guard. I thought that this was some sort of waterbending at the time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.242.88 (talk) 18:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just watched the scene. I think he just threw the water at the guard. TakaraLioness (talk) 19:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Zuko is not a waterbender. Otherwise, Katara would not have been a challenge, he would not have had the trouble he did at the north pole, and numerous other things. Rau's Speak Page 21:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waterbending 

message: "He is also very strong physically. In The Beach he was able to send Ruon Jian back several meters with a slight push of his palm."
Is it only me who thinks that bolded line isn't valid enough to support the "physically strong" claim? That whole episode was clearly in a different style compared to the other episodes. It felt more comical and much more "anime"-ish with all the visual exagerations and such. Zuko being able to slam Ruon Jian so far away could very likely be just an exageration. There are other examples to support the claim, and I think removing this one wouldn't hurt.--Secretss (talk) 13:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other skills 

message: I am redoing the plot section. Unfortuately, because of the way things have been since the finale, I am resorting to doing it in my sandbox. Just a heads up. Rau's Speak Page 07:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did it. And I intend to focus on other parts. Feel free to help. Rau's Speak Page 07:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: Why was the part in his personality about him liking Mai removed? It was just being used as another example of him being able to love deeply, and is just as legitimate as the Iroh and his mother examples.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.58.192 (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The knowledge of Mai and Zuko being in a relationship is not critical to the main point, which is defeating the Firelord.  Besides having that here would open up the other articles to include "shipping", and would cause too much clutter.  MisterZeppo (talk) 21:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personality 

message: Seriously, there is a LOT of trivial information here.  When I page down on the other character pages, it's generally 2-3 pages of vague information with few details.  Zuko's page is nearly 6 pages long.  This NEEDS to get edited down.  I understand Zuko-love, he's really a compelling character, but this is ridiculous.  You have a bunch of useless information here that is being repeated over and over that don't have anything to do with the overall plot of defeating the Firelord.  While the other character pages don't have as many details and spoilers, this one is insanely detailed.  I nominate this page be edited down.  You don't need all this detail.  The "Personality" section is just another character summary and should be cut out.  It would be good to get a uniform style between all the character pages.  MisterZeppo (talk) 02:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Support' I completely agree this article needs major work ,mostly trimming(or may be axing to be more precise). Ziphon (ALLears) 11:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It needed trimming, but not that much. Like for instance Western Air Temple, Firebending Masters, the Boiling Rock, and the Southern Raiders each had their own paragraph, and they could be abbreviated to a 1-3 sentences. But Zuko is now the shortest of all the Avatar articles, when he is the most complex of the Avatar characters. He should have a longer article than what it is currently since u are all leaving out very crucial plot elements and making Zuko seem very 1 dimensional. The personality part though is fine since it summarizes it fairly well. I've summarized it down to 5-7 sentences per season instead of like 3.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.41.154 (talk) 21:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You must remember, only 1 article, Aang's, has a good status.  Being the title character you would expect him to have more info out there about him.  Comparisons to the other characters carry no weight as they too need work.  Derekloffin (talk) 21:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Jeez!  Who added all the info about Zuko again??  It did need substantial trimming, I just edited it down again (I have it saved so I can keep editing it down if this Zuko wank continues) with a modified version of Derekloffin's last edit.  This isn't about Zuko looking 1 dimensional.  This is about getting the article to the point where it achieves good article standing like Aang's article does.  Aang is the main character, and does not have every tiny detail about him in there.  Yes, Zuko is compelling, but your opinion that he's the most compelling is not good enough.  I know you love Zuko, I love Zuko, but his article can't have every tiny detail about him there because that is considered too "in-universe" and won't allow us to get the page approved as a good article.  Every detail of every episode doesn't need to be spoiled here.  If some new fan comes to this page, they don't need to be spoiled with every tiny detail  If you want to express your Zuko love do that at the Avatar Wiki where you can include every tiny detail.  There is a standard trying to be met on the Wikipedia Avatar Project, and filling Zuko's page with in-universe information won't help reach that goal.  Stop making Zuko's page a book!!!!  MisterZeppo (talk) 04:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article had like 4 sentences per season, so that was definitely bad and you left out alot of important things that happened to Zuko. Minus a few quibbles, this current edit is fine, but the one before was just ridiculous. The only real problem with the article way back in the day was the length of the personality part and that many of the episodes in season 3 that could be summarized in a sentence or two had their own paragraphs, which of course made the article way too long.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.41.154 (talk) 18:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivial 

message: Why is Zuko's age listed as 16 - 19? Each season of the series spanned a season, not a year, the first season is winter, the second is spring and the third is summer. As of the end of the series, only 9 months have passed, not 3 years. 189.60.129.184 (talk) 18:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: I noticed that the article is claiming that Fire Lord Azulon ordered Ozai to kill Zuko. Thing is, I'm not sure if that's ever been confirmed to be true. The only witnesses to Azulon and Ozai's conversation were Azulon, who died shortly thereafter; Ozai, who gained greatly from Azulon's death; and Azula, who often maliciously lies to Zuko for no reason but to cause him pain. The only witness we have that says Azulon made any orders at all is Azula, and she's not really a reliable witness. So is Azulon's order really verifiable enough to be part of the article? -Azathoth117 (talk) 05:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azula Lying? 

message: I'm a visitor, but does the "position" part for the infobox come up as "age" for anyone else? A bug? prank? something else? 203.117.66.237 (talk) 14:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly a bug or a prank, but I've fixed it now.   was wrong, for some reason.  春・<FONT FACE="Maiandra GD" COLOR=#0000FF>Harukaze</FONT>・風 06:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: The last part of Zuko's involvement irks me: "...uncle's tea shop, which marks his last appearance in the series." Is this not the last appearance of everyone (being the end of the series itself)? 203.117.66.237 (talk) 15:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: when he questioned his father to learn whereabouts of his mother, Possibly a hint to a spin-off series for zuko in his quest to searh for his mother, Ursa. The series may have ended but no reason not to continue series with different future storylines --Fotte (talk) 14:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology 

message: The whole idea behind Wikipedia is to have as much relevant information on a page as possible. Zuko's alias "Lee" is used in several episodes and he is called such by a variety of characters. His alter ego "The Blue Spirit" is a major part of his character. There is no reason not to have these aliases mentioned. The information takes up little space and is very relevant. Rashu0 (talk) 03:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we should centralize this discussion. Feel free to open up a discussion on the talk page of WP:AVATAR. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 03:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aliases 

message: I know I talked about this before on this page, but why is the Season 3 section of this article so long compared to the Season 1 and 2 sections of his plot overview? Isn't there some way to clean up that section to make it more comparable in length to the Season 1 and 2 portions? Also, really, no mention of Jin nor Mai anywhere (Jin more in Season 2)? Especially since the latter is his girlfriend in Season 3? What gives? Caterfree10 (talk) 18:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 3 section 

message: Guys, hey, what's with the part about Zuko being the gang's "agony aunt?" Just saying, he never struck me as that, at least... Celestialwarden11 (talk) 20:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Agony aunt?" 

message: Why doesn't Zuko have a scar in the movie?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.197.157 (talk) 02:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He does have the scar in the movie.  It is not quite so obvious, but he definitely has it. Derekloffin (talk) 06:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scar 

message: Why isnt Zuko's real father not mentioned at all? Because some fans dont like it?--94.219.199.207 (talk) 20:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ikem 

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message: I have just edited my firebending abilities to be more accurate, any questions?
I just made a bunch of great edits and then sine bot deleted them this sucks......
The page makes the silly statement "Zuko has received unanimous acclaim for his character development, with many calling his arc one of the greatest of all time."  That's clearly false (heck, I've never acclaimed him, so there's proof right there).   It's also making a real-world claim without a citation.  However when I edit the page I do not see the text in there... not sure how it slipped in there.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:1400:310:4197:F222:D9C7:C8A8 (talk) 03:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Zuko

message: 21:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: In the comics, Zuko did find his mom. 24.128.189.166 (talk) 21:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zuko Reunited with his mom.