Talk:Dark Kingdom

message: I was just leafing through my new cover editions of the japanese language Sailor Moon manga and noticed that Act 12 is titled "Queen Metaria".
Queen Metallia is obviously recognized by a wider group of people, and I personally think it sounds better, but if there is any logic behind this spelling (other than the interchangeable nature of R and L in the Romanization of the Japanese written language.), then it should be given credence. The manga is an official and canonical source of information, and the "Metaria" spelling is seen on the opening page of act 12 (vol.3, pg.5 new cover edition) as well as in the table of contents (vol.3, pg.8 new cover edition), so it may not just be a one off typo. Google only returned 1,030 results for the "Queen Metaria" spelling, but the source showing this spelling is relatively new, and the poularity of any given topic can have little or nothing to do with said topic's legitimacy. A prominent supporter of the "Metaria" spelling, Ian Miller of Dies Gaudii has this to say on the subject: 
http://antares7.absoludicrous.net/minerals/darkkingdom/index.html
However, I have noticed that his opinion is genrally mud with a few editors here, and me being a relative newbie, I find it would ill behoove me to stir things up. My opinion is that it makes very little difference in the long run, but whichever is more appropriate should be used for the article. What are your opinions on this, everyone?
Davi Williams 07:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, it's just a difference in romanization.  The names of the Witches 5 are spelled slightly differently in the anime, as well.  The main reason that "Metallia" is used over "Metaria", is because almost all main villains' names are derived from a metal, a mineral or a gemstone.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Arbitrarily declaring things "canonical" is against Wikipedia neutrality policy.  Unless the author of the work declares one form or another, it can't be done.  There is the R/L issue and also remember that there were other mispellings in the manga re-release.  We should footnote it and move on. --Kunzite 14:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I romanized the name on the main page, as well.  Going off the Katakana, it is spelled Kuin Metaria in Japanese.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have my manga on me (home for Thanksgiving), but all I can find online is the name spelled out in hiragana, as here, not in romaji. --Masamage 22:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's Katakana.  It's spelled out in rōmaji in the re-released tankōbon. (image here) The same set of releases also had a name spelled "Deth Fantom."  It also may be worth point out that "petit étranger", which refers to Chibi-Usa, should be written "petite ètrangere".  --Kunzite 00:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I just received my second edition of volume 3 of PGSM, and it's still spelled as QUEEN METARIA in two instances. Since there have been no reported mistakes in Naoko's second edition volumes, it's only natural for us to presume that METARIA is her intended name. Also, I noticed that earlier someone was "correcting" an error that Naoko was supposed to had made with "Petite ètrangere", the actual katakana that she uses for the terms for "petit: puchi" and "étranger: etoranze" which is a French term for "Small Stranger". So Naoko's romaji of those two words are actually correct. So, there is no reason that METARIA would be wrong either. Fighter4luv 14:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  So if the mangaka herself is deliberately choosing "Metaria" as the official romanization, the article should reflect this, right?  Unless someone can produce another canonical source stating that "Metallia" is more appropriate, there's no reason to perpetuate it just because it's the most "popular" spelling when actual canon is supporting the other spelling.  I'm updating the article to reflect this.Rebochan 14:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen Metaria? 

message: This makes the third article that talks about DSM, which by my count is too many. Thoughts? --Masamage 00:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah... Its just a copy and paste of whats in Ami's. Itss fine Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 01:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Sailor Mercury 

message: *Head Shot of Darkury (Can also be used on ami's page)
*PGSM shot of Queen Beryl
*Danburite (Can also be used on the Sailor V page)
*Group Head shot of the Generals (Also for use on their page)
*A Random Yourma AND/OR the DD girls (The DD Girls image was delated due to being orphened. Should we re upload it?)
*A PGSM Yourma
*Mio
*A shot showing Beryl's original form next to her regular form (composite)
Not only will it help ilustarte these characters, some of them can be used in 2 places, and it will make the page look nicer... We also need to find a better place to put the image of, as another story calls her, "Super Beryl"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 
:We already have the groupiest group shot that exists of the Shitennou. Unless you mean PGSM. And the DD Girls image was great, we just need to know where it came from before we can use it. --Masamage 22:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: should we put in the game another story so pepole wont think its a random another story--♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 23:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're not using an Another Story image, he was just saying that in that game, they call her Super Beryl. It's the one we have now at the top of the page. And yeah, we need a better place. --Masamage 00:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think a picture of her 'good' self is necessary. All it is is a different dress. Furthermore, why don't we just get rid of the Super Beryl pic entirely? It's not doing us any good, and we could find a wayyyy better picture of the interior Dark Kingdom to replace it. --Masamage 17:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She also has black hair as her good self...--Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 21:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess. There's not a lot of room, though. --Masamage 21:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I Moved the Super Beryl shot down to Metallia's section as it talks about that form in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 
Ok, I got a new Beryl Shot for the anime (The old one was from the opening and wasn't very good) as well as a PGSM shot. The PGSM shot is kinda bad but it was the only one i could find. One of us will have to take a screen shot ourselves --Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 18:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: The rest of her info should probalby be moved over here... Seeing as we moved everyone else out.. Replace whats there with whats here.--Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 16:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with that is that having her character bio in 'Dark Kingdom' is a humungous spoiler, considering that she's first introduced as a generically snobby girl. It may be safer to move everything that's here over there and just link over? --Masamage 19:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mio 

message: The shot is from the anime with the background cut out... Thats all it is. I was Watching an AMV and the dd girls appeared and they were standing in that pose Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 23:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: DD Girls 

message: Since the youma have a whole part about PGSM, should we include and image of a PGSM youma?Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 15:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I think so. --Masamage 18:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: should we have pgsm queen metallia image? ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 16:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She's already got three. o_O --Masamage ♫ 17:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: but she's so good looking lolz ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 20:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re Images 

message: Is Queen Beryl based on Rita from power rangers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Big bad bat (talk • contribs) 
:Nope, Beryl came first by a year or two. (Please sign your comments by typing four ~s after them!) --Masamage ♫ 00:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true Queen Beryl destroyed the Moon Kingdom with Queen Metallia and stabed Prince Endymion in the back with a rock :P and I think she did a lot more in the Manga. Rita on the other hand just yelled and got headaches. ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 13:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: An evil queen is a stock character in fantasy settings - you might as well ask if Rita and Queen Beryl are based on the evil queen from Snow White!  Please try to discuss the article itself, not the subject of the article, as Wikipedia is not a forum.-Malkinann 14:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She did do a lot more in the manga. And I'm not sure what role Rita took in the Japanese Super Sentai series. Anywho, Malkinann has a good point. There are a lot of evil queens even in very old texts, like the Bible. --Masamage ♫ 06:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry I just thought they were similar to each other (I also thought Doom phantom was based on lord Zedd but I guess its also not true) Big bad bat 17:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Plus Beryl is tall, proud, regal and commanding. Rita however is short, fat, vulgar and annoying. Furthermore I fail to see any correlation between Lord Zedd and Death Phantom/Wiseman. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 13:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  rita 

message: Please list Support, Oppose or neutral or a strong variant along with a reason please.
*Support — Is quite long and we could cover so much more than we feel safe to cover in the group article. I also hope we can eventually give others such as Nehelenia the same treatment. Lego3400:  The Sage of Time (talk) 16:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote here please

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message: Daiyōma?! Where did you get this word??? Beryl say: "Densetsu no saikyō senshi yōma shichi ninshū" (伝説の・最強・戦士・妖魔・七・人衆). Or simply, from Kunzite/Endymion: "Saikyō yōma shichi ninshū" (最強・妖魔・七・人衆). Search 最強妖魔七人衆 here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/美少女戦士セーラームーンの登場人物#.E6.9C.80.E5.BC.B7.E5.A6.96.E9.AD.94.E4.B8.83.E4.BA.BA.E8.A1.86  91.151.243.31 (talk) 08:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea. What do the Senshi call them? --Masamage ♫ 17:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Luna call them "Dāku Kingudamu Yōma Shichi Ninshū". Sailors call them "Yōma". 91.151.243.31 (talk) 05:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven Daiyouma 

message: I've made several merge proposals today, but I have not included a proposal to merge the Shitennou article into this one. Since those characters are from the very first arc and are profoundly different in the manga, anime, dub, musicals, and live-action series--and because some of them have had academic papers written about them--I think there's enough to say about them to justify their own article, at least for now. Everything will be reevaluated once we have a full-fledged character list. --Masamage ♫ 21:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the Shitennou should be merged nonetheless. The article does not clearly establish the notability, at least the academic papers are not mentioned in a separated reception section, nor there is any popular culture impact of the subjects. I think that merging them would make the Dark Kingdom topic stronger. --LoЯd ۞pεth 18:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. What if we added the reception/impact section that you note is missing? --Masamage ♫ 21:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The section must be added even if there were no merger proposals going out there, as it is what makes an article more encyclopedic. But it should be noted that the academic papers you are talking about would make the topic more notable if they are completely about the Shitennou or at least dedicate some chapters to them (for instance, reviews in which they are just mentioned a couple of times are not that helpful to establish notability). If these papers also cover Beryl and the Dark Kingdom, it would be better to merge and then add the reception section in the Dark Kingdom article. --LoЯd ۞pεth 22:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge note 

message: I think we have too many unnecessary images on this article, and it's only a matter of time before we get called on it. Even before getting to the hard questions, there are two shots we can easily remove--the one of live-action Queen Beryl (who looks the same as normal Beryl), and the one of Super Beryl (who just has different colors and crazy hair). If no one objects to this, I'll remove them in a few days. Meanwhile, any suggestions about what other pictures we can lose would be appreciated. --Masamage ♫ 17:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I forgot about this. Okay, removing those images now. --Masamage ♫ 20:04, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image use

message: In order to be consistent with other mergers that have taken place, I propose the same to the Generals. Both topics (Dark Kingdom and Shitennou) would have more cohesion if merged together as happened with other villain groups. Furthermore, the Shitennou article has not managed to establish Notability. Thoughts? --LoЯd ۞pεth 17:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Object - Nephrite has garnered some critical commentary, and there is creator commentary, which both go towards proving notability.  --Malkinann (talk) 19:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Oppose for now. The Shitennou vary more from series to series than any other set of characters in the whole franchise, and have also received some outside commentary. I'd prefer that we work on fixing up and perfecting the article instead, adding the necessary information, and if it can't be done to a degree that's quite satisfying, then maybe think about merging. --Masamage ♫ 23:27, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the article has a tag for a need of citations. Also, if Chaos (who took different appearances and forms during the whole series) or the Amazonness Quartet (that are also Sailors and also vary from series to series) are already merged, then I do not understand why these differences between portrayals are worth of a whole article. Also, most of the characters (with articles or already merged) have creator comment, and if Nephrite is so notable by receiving critical commentary, then he should have his own article, which would not be a good idea. Almost all of the info in this article can be moved into Dark Kingdom, as none of them are extremely large articles. I think no trimming is needed and no content shall be lost. --LoЯd ۞pεth 21:50, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: We established a while back over at WT:SM that the subbed anime gives the archvillain's name as Metalia. Since that's the source we've been using for the main characters' names, and since this shows the pun in the name, it seems now's as good a time as any to make the switch, "Metaria" having been a placeholder from some romaji. If no one objects, I'll change it over here and in all other articles in a few days. --Masamage ♫ 22:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like this should be fine. I'll go ahead with the global-replace now. --Masamage ♫ 22:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metaria->Metalia 

message: Should Nephrite's Shadow be considered as a Youma, or rather as a projection of his power? --Ki no Senshi (talk) 01:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd lean toward the latter...but remind me exactly when his shadow is around and doing stuff? --Masamage ♫ 01:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Shadow appears in act 4 of the manga (episode 22 of the anime) and in act 5. It's been a while since I watched Sailor Moon, but I re-watched the episode and I think you're right because Nephrite talks about the shadow as his "other self". In the manga the Shadow takes a female form (with the same appearance in both acts)... So, yes, I'd lean to the second option too --Ki no Senshi (talk) 17:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nephrite's Shadow

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thread_title:  Lead Image 

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thread_title:  Issues with this article 

message: There's some random unrelated references to my little pony in the article and I feel like they are just unnecessary. To quote from the article:
She also kidnaps and brainwashes Prince Endymion in order to force him to kill his lover (due to rival villains of Nightmare Moon (for My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic from the two-part Season 4 premiere "Princess Twilight Sparkle"))
Queen Beryl is soon vaporized along with Metaria when Sailor Moon, who has transformed into Princess Serenity, combines the power of the Silver Crystal with that of the Moon Stick.
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.80.194 (talk) 01:03, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Random My little pony unrelated references 

message: I am sorry, but is really necessary to include description of these versions? Americans destroyed whole anime by cutting it, censoring - they actually created different version... So I don't think that such thing should be included along with original series description - it should be moved to the separated article.2A01:116F:32F:2700:170:CF7C:B708:A18C (talk) 08:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  DIC and other murican versions 

message: It makes little sense as it is only an aspect of a property as opposed to a property itself (i.e. Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy). Locking this page makes about as much sense as having a locked page for Gummi Ships or Chocobos.
I bring this up because there are a few spelling and grammar errors noticeable right off:
* "in the some English adaptations" p2l3
* "Queen Beryl and th Four Kings" p2l6
* "the Dark Kigndom's" p4l1
That's in the first few paragraphs. In the Queen Beryl section:
* "She thinks Princess Serenity as being a nuisance." p5l4 (should either have an "of" or replace "as" with "is")
And then there's this:
* "Beryl appears in the first musical, Gaiden Dark Kingdom Fukkatsu Hen and its revision, in a similar plot to the series' first story arc. She is then revived in the semi original musical Eien Densetsu and its revision by Sailor Galaxia, who merely uses her as a puppet to awaken Saturn.[11] Beryl dies while protecting Sailor Moon from a stab by the evil Tuxedo Mask mud puppet, her last statement being, "This time I die for passion".[12] Similarly, in Shin Densetsu Kourin Beryl kills the evil King Endymion mud puppet to give Sailor Moon a fighting chance against Galaxia.[13] Several times in the musical, Beryl and Sailor Pluto share the song Onna no Ronsou which explains why betrayal by Endymion in the past killed Beryl's emotion of love.[14] Each time this song is played, Sailor Pluto would always begin with "Because we are the same" or a similar phrase.[15][16][17]" (this whole paragraph appears on one line; inserting < br/ > should be considered; also, there should preferably be a - between semi original; a comma should also separate Beryl from Shin Densetsu Kourin.)
I don't know if there are more as I only completed reading the Queen Beryl section. Actually there is "preyed on" p2l2, which would read better as "preyed upon."
Mercen-X (talk) 23:53, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
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message: I've made Good Faith attempts to remove In Universe Style  from the intro paragraphs.
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replies: text: Do not worry, I have retrieved your version and trimmed some info. --LoЯd ۞pεth 23:52, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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