Talk:Alex Da Silva (dancer)

message: Although Da Silva was arrested, the district attorney's office declined to file charges.  Under the spirit of WP:BLP, should this information be removed because he was not convicted of nor even charged with a crime? Alanraywiki (talk) 21:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. He probably would qualify as a very minor public figure. So I'm not sure what the norm here is on WP. It is verifiable that he was arrested. But it does seem wrong for a non-substantiated accusation to carry forward -- especially when people too often interpret an accusation as guilt. So I'd vote in favor of removing it. Hoping To Help (talk) 21:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My contribution was to edit the claims to tone it down, make it factual and sourced. If we consider him well-known then this applies: "If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented by reliable published sources, it belongs in the article—even if it's negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it". The report of his arrest is not defamatory; it is factual. "Any such potentially damaging information about a private person, if corroborated by multiple, highly reliable sources, may be cited if the Wikipedia article states that the sources make certain "allegations", without the Wikipedia article taking a position on their truth". Fences and windows (talk) 19:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the additional feedback.  I tend to be cautious with these types of edits, particularly when the first reference for the incident I saw on the article was from TMZ.  As I noted in my first comment, he has not yet been charged with a crime so you want to be fair.  However, the arrest was notable and there are a variety of reliable sources reporting it.  The edits of both User:Hoping To Help and User:Fences and windows were well-balanced on the topic.  I will go ahead and revert my edit.  I appreciate the discussion here.  Alanraywiki (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for suggesting debating it; I'd not thought to look at the talk page, I'd gone straight to sources. I am very keen to remove any unsourced, poorly sourced or salacious information about people from Wikipedia, and my first instinct was to roll this claim back. After reviewing the sources it appeared to be well reported.  Fences and windows (talk) 19:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

text:  I think an important issue is whether he qualifies as "well known." And I think he would more accurately fit this description from WP:BLP:  "while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known."  And so we should follow these directions from the BLP: "In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability, while omitting information that is irrelevant to the subject's notability."   I would say he is barely notable -- and only as a choreographer on So You Think You Can Dance. So, given the inflammatory nature of the accusation, that the DA refused to press charges, the size of accusation as a proportion of the overall article WP:UNDUE, and that it doesn't relate to his notability -- I would err on the side of caution and remove it.  Hoping To Help (talk) 06:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And I am removing similar information for exactly the same reason. Drmies (talk) 19:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When it gets somewhere other than blogs and TMZ, then it can be restored. --jpgordon::==( o ) 21:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? It's still nothing but an arrest, and this kind of "update" reduces Wikipedia to a newspaper, a gossip column. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We'll see what comes of it. Since the guy is known solely as a dance instructor and choreographer, multiple rapes of students is at least somewhat relevant to his notability. --jpgordon::==( o ) 05:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, "multiple rapes of students" will need to be proven in a court of law first. I think adding this kind of information is ridiculous--your slip (which I hope is what it is) proves why this needs to be left out of BLPs. Drmies (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

text:  I was one of the first people to put in info about his arrest back in April.  But after investigating more of WP policy, I would say the rape allegation should be removed. For he falls under these guidelines WP:BLP:  "while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known."  And so we should follow these directions from the BLP: "In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability, while omitting information that is irrelevant to the subject's notability."   I would say he is barely notable -- and only as a choreographer on So You Think You Can Dance.
The clincher is that no one has come forward with a reputable source for this information (the only references are blogs and TMZ).  So if we included this then WP would be "leading" the dissemination of these accusations -- something policy directs us not to do. If this isn't being widely reported in mainstream news outlets then we shouldn't be including it in his biography.
Hoping To Help (talk) 00:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
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