Talk:The Triffids

message: NOTE: To ask these questions [cited below], one needs to re-open the case of Mr. McComb's death.  I believe that is long overdue.  The evidence has long since been there for a court of law, and it is LONG PAST DUE.
We should be done with this *idiocy* about the relative fame, importance, etc. of David McComb and the Triffids.  What possesses you people to titter about this garbage?  How *British* are you?  Christ!  Either one objects to murder, or not.  David was murdered.  Murder is wrong.  Time, place, nationality, personality...all of these things can wait until your next soccer riot.  And hopefully you'll resolve these issues somewhere else.  In the meantime, regular people need to carry out the people's business.  We need the rule of law, here.  Please leave, if this is all you have.  In the meantime, the facts were here a long time ago.  Dave was murdered.  Please leave.
re: the above unsigned post
I can understand fully why emotions run high over this, but I feel obliged to point out the distinction under Australian law between Murder and Manslaughter. There may well be a case to answer for the latter, (administerng a substance, failure to provide the necessities of life), but nobody could ever prove intention to kill in this situation.
Also, perhaps this should be at the David McComb talk page instead? Odilon 09:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: McComb's death

message: "Died of a heroin overdose"? How did you verify that? "Alcohol and drug addiction"? How did you verify that? These are not the same thing. Dave suffered from cardiomyopathy, brought on by his whole-hearted commitment to alcohol. The condition, when found in young men, is most commonly induced by alcoholism. Check that!
(The above was added by 217.205.240.76 to the main article. I have moved it here (and have no particular input on the matter myself) --mordemur 10:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we please keep the fallacy of Dave dying of a heroin overdose out of this? Someone (58.178.214.134) keeps adding it back in and I'll keep removing it. I wasn't responsible for the above paragraph, by the way, but I wholeheartedly agree with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.23.72 (talk • contribs) 
Fallacy or not, it's not material for the Wikipedia at this point.
I was just going to go in and delete that part, but I note that someone beat me to it.
For future reference, there's at least one person out there with conspiracy theories regarding McCombs death;
there was a site at http://users.bigpond.com/redpony/contents.htm
(in June 2002; now gone),
and there are similar anonymous comments today at http://elvispelvis.com/davidmccomb.htm.
Jgrahn 23:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

text: *redpony link via Waybackmachine ~ trialsanderrors 07:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Heroin overdose?

message: Hard to follow the discussion above with the many unsigned entries. Please everybody use four tildes: ~~~~ to sign your comments. Why is the POV sticker still on the article and what's being done to resolve this? Iow, at which point would the parties to the dispute agree to take it off? ~ trialsanderrors 19:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag

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message: In the main article it is stated that:
"Their debut album Treeless Plain was released in November, 1983,[4] an album completely out of tune with everything else going on in the Australian alternative music scene at the time"
I wouldn't say it is completely accurate to say Treeless Plain was out of tune with the rest of the alternative music scene, at least to the extent that being played on Melbourne's 3RRR defined what was alternative. I remember hearing "Raining pleasure", "St James infirmary" and "property is condemned" many times on 3RRR in 1984. 
My memory of 3RRR in those days was that the Australian bands they played were pretty eclectic, as was the live scene in Melbourne. Pretty much as long as you had no chance of getting onto "Countdown" (and you weren't Midnight Oil) then you were a chance at 3RRR. In the early eighties there was plenty of Laughing Clowns, Hunter & Collectors, Not drowning waving, Paul Kelly & the Dots, Models, Painters & Dockers, TISM, Redgum, and a bunch of Birthday Party inspired creations (I know that to call some of these bands "alternative" might look strange now, but in 1984 it wasn't). I am not sure what collectively defines these bands (except maybe that some of their songs were moody and hard to dance to), the Melbourne scene of that time put a high value on not sounding like someone else. So "Treeless Plain" fit in just fine on 3RRR when it was released. 
I am not sure if this suggests much of a change to the article, I just feel the article suggests there was little recognition in 1984 Australia of how good the Tiffids were. I think they had the same problem that a number of Australian bands of the time had, they weren't "pub rock" and it was hard to make a living playing mainly to the 3RRR audience. 
Bruce Burns
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