Talk:Militarism-Socialism in Showa Japan

message: Like other edits by 200.46.*, this article is incoherent and probably a copyvio (I nominated two of the anon's previous contributions earlier today.)  The trademarks are atrocious grammar, awkward wording, and having no spacing after commas or parentheses.  I hope the article creator is reading this because I'm tired of cleaning up after him!  (I'd leave a message on his talk page if he didn't use so many IP addresses.)  --Ardonik.talk()* 00:26, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
:The English is bad. Some of the articles are copyvio, but most are not. Please do not use VfD needlessly for these articles - they gradually get cleaned up, and VfD is not the place for them. (I keep a list to monitor them, and feel quite strongly that hostile talk about articles by non-native speakers of English falls well below WP's best standards). Charles Matthews 16:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Judging from the talk page, I suppose this is already known, but I'll spell it out anyway. This article needs some serious clean-up for grammar, spelling, and overall organization, if not for downright content. The introduction is far too dense and opaque - launching immediately into a sociology/ideology sort of perspective, with lots of esoteric terminology, and not from a cleaner, more accessible historical perspective. Should read "Militarism-Socialism is a term sometimes used to describe the ideologies which guided Japanese government policy in the 1920s through the end of World War II. The term was first coined by ... who described it as ...." or the like.
This, like the many other articles on Japanese World War II ideology, is representative of a portion of a massive scholarly discourse, and while far too much of that is similarly opaquely written, we would do well to smooth it out and explain out the concepts clearly. Due to the controversy and widespread interest in the subject, as well as the depth of discourse available, this could be an excellent article if it gets some serious attention. LordAmeth 09:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WPMILHIST Assessment

message: I can find no text or references in the article that explain the "connection" between militarism and socialism in Japan. "State Socialism" means that the state controls economic activity. All I can see here is a series of militarist ideologies, underpinning the monarchy and the position of the zaibatsu, both of which are the antithesis of socialism. Grant | Talk 15:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Was there anything actually called "Militarism-Socialism", "Nationalism-Socialism" or a similar name at the time and if so, what is the Japanese language term for this/these things? Grant | Talk 10:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Socialism

message: Is Militarism-Socialism a genuine term? That is, what was the equivalent term in Japanese and was it used by its supposed adherents at the time? If so, what are the sources for this? Grant | Talk 16:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The contemporary term in common every-day use by Japanese to refer to the pre-war system is , and personally, I would prefer that this article be renamed "Japanese Statism", for the sake of accuracy and to avoid confusion "left-socialism”and with Japanese militarism, which are separate issues.--MChew (talk) 17:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Militarism-Socialism a genuine term? 

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class.  Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met.  With proper citations and references, this article would easily qualify as B class if not higher.   --dashiellx (talk) 20:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: I am proposing to move this article to Kokka shugi, and merge it with Japanese fascism and some material from Japanese nationalism. The term "militarism-socialism" is not used by any of the sources, and it appears to be a neologism coined by the original anonymous author of this article. The Japanese name for the concept described here is "Kokka shugi," which does not have any direct English translation (but has been variously translated as Japanese nationalism, Japanese militarism, Japanese expansionism, Japanese imperialism or Japanese fascism). The best discussion of the term that I was able to find is as follows:
Seems pretty straightforward... -- Nikodemos (talk) 12:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: The Showa period was a pretty diverse period for Japan politically, with militarism-socialism-fascism dominating the first part and something closer to American democracy dominating the second part (with a nonetheless heavy big-business influence in an age of economic expansion). Shouldn't this article better be called "militarism-socialism in early-mid Showa Japan"?  —  Rickyrab | Talk 06:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Showa]] Japan?