Talk:Tango

message: Hello,
I´ve re-added the External link - *Photo Collection - Show de Tango na Argentina -  to the external links. Some people have been deleting this entrance from the Wikipedia directory with no rights to do it. It´s a beautiful collection of pictures, not comercial and not promotional. If you want to remove, let´s discuss it before ok?
dbrunod  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbrunod (talk • contribs) 16:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a collection ofg weblinks. It is encyclopedia, and it needs encyclopedic text. People may easily find plenty of beautiful pictures themselves. Please see "what wikipedia is not". Mukadderat (talk) 21:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: Hello! I would just like to point out that there's hardly any direct connection between the tango nuevo style of dancing, which is the fusion of the tango dance with principles from contact improvisation, and the Nuevo Tango, which is a music movement inside tango music initially proposed by Ástor Piazzolla that infuses tango music with classical and jazz elements. I understand that both terms sound and seem more or less the same, but in Spanish, they are not. The Nuevo Tango movement, among its guidelines, had the explicit intention of creating music that should not be socially danced (Piazzolla said on one occasion that he would make the dancers listen to music). The Nuevo Tango article in itself should be changed too, because Nuevo Tango and tango nuevo seem be very often mistakenly mixed up.  Rafaelomondini (talk) 09:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of link to "Nuevo Tango" article on "Tango nuevo" subsection

message: Hello 195.92.67.66,
Hello! Tango is african in origin. it was just music and dance and the dance was performed by two males
that with rivalry tried to compete for the best dance. This style was perfomed originally by blacks and
as ever whites copied it and claimed as invented by them. Please investigate more about this and how 
black slaves were wiped out in the ethnic cleansing that took place in argentina. Wikipedia should be 
compromised by the thruth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.249.12 (talk) 18:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tango is as African as galliard, passepied, or tarantella. Your comment makes a number of highly doubtful claims while providing no sources at all. Furthermore, I find your racism against white people to be quite frankly disgusting and very inappropriate for an encyclopedia. --190.19.18.114 (talk) 06:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

text: -- Viajero 11:19 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Yes, very true. And does not include any info about the music played to signal the dance partners exchange - three songs to dance to, then a fourth to mingle and find a new partner. Perhaps this is "English/Ballroom Tango" only, but being a world-wide convention now, should have an entire section dedicated to it. WinkJunior (talk) 12:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  tango to Tango (dance) 

message: I am going to move this piece 
*As a result, the American Tango is believed by some to be inferior, and some American Tango teachers have introduced elements of technique borrowed from the International Tango. In International tango, sequences of figures and even entire dances are choreographed instead of improvised. This makes the dance less dependent on lead-follow technique and allows for more separation between the dancers. 
to a more appropriate place, probably to Ballroom dance, since this equally applies to all ballroom dances. Mikkalai 16:56, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving a piece 

message: The following piece is POV, while being a chaotic fighting a wrong windmill: 
*While some of the sleezier downtown dance halls served the double purpose of being popular places to find prostitutes, it seems unlikely that the Tango was actually danced in brothels, though this is a common misconception.  Because of the shortage of women, in the working-class areas men often danced with other men or with prostitutes.
The real issue not where tango was danced. Of course, it was danced in brothels, just as jitterbug, swing, charleston,polka, can-can, and many other dances. In modern times of "narrow specialists" it could be dificult to imagine that not infrequently brothels could have been "subsidiaries" of multi-profile establishments hostel/tavern/brothel/dance hall. But this is not the real controversy. A significant part of Tango lyrics in these times was about pimps, prostitutes, sex, booze, see e.g., Lunfardo. The question is whether it was a tribute to the exotics of the roots of tango, or it was true reflection of tango "demographics" of the times.  Mikkalai 07:29, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: There is a possibility that "tango" may come directly from the Latin "tango" meaning "I touch."
*Do you seriously believe the porteños of Buenos Aires spoke the language of Cicero? Mikkalai 04:30, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of Tango 

message: The biggest part of this chapter is wildly biased. I am missing much objectivity in the comparison between argentine tango and ballroom tango. If noone objects I will move this section to a new headline "differences between argentine tango and ballroom tango", trying to morph it into some more objective comparison...
dekay 09:12, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some problems in chapter "Argentine Tango (Tango Argentino)" 

message: What is the etiquette?  Whats the difference Jackliddle 18:43, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact is there any?  They any pretty polite too me
* Dance Etiquette
* Beyond Dance Etiquette
* yet more
And the Argentian Tango people seem to think
* Argentine Tango Dance Etiquette
* TANGO DANCE ETIQUETTE MADE SIMPLE…
Jackliddle 19:01, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: OK I see it like this.  Argentinian Tango has this non-verbal communication for requesting/denying dances, International Ballroom Tango doesn't have this.  The behaviour on a crowded dance floor seems identical between the two. Jackliddle 13:25, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Dance etiquette in Argentine tango and ballroom also differs.

message: This page (along with many of the dance pages) has truly ludicrous politically correct pronoun usage.  How about always using the pronoun "he" for the leader and "she" for the companion, and adding a sentence saying something to the effect of: "Pronouns are used merely for placeholding; the dance leader is not always a man, nor the dance partner a woman."? 
RiseAbove
Except that it is a tradition in dance that the male leads.  And it is not nessecary to pander to every permitation of how the dance is performed.  It is perfectably understandable as is, and anyone capable of finding this page can use their brain to determine that the dance need not be between a man and a woman
~Annoymous
Except, in tango, it has long been tradition for there to be swapping of gender roles.  Only in the United States was the swapping of gender roles for the dance really frowned upon and it is coming back now.  That swapping has given rise to the "queer tango" idea, except there is nothing really new in that and it really isn't a style of tango so much as a continuation of the whole "queer dance" idea.  It would be simple to just say "lead" and "follow" everywhere and ditch the whole "he" or "she" use in general.  In dance it is often clearer to just say lead and follow anyway.
Maztec (talk) 08:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  PC Woes 

message: The Ballroom section says something about the meter being set at 30 beats per minute. That sounds agonizingly slow. Could this perhaps be a mistake for 30 bars per minute (i.e., 120 beats per minute)? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:29, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  30 beats per minute? 

message: I have heard that the Tango is connected to a dance called something like cheeka from Old Spain. If this is true, it may be worth a mention in the article.
Eiler7 00:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tango and Old Spain

message: Is there some reliable source for attributing Montevideo on the same level as Buenos Aires in terms of the history of tango? This seems highly counter to the traditional story of tango's origins, and really ought not stand without some references. taion 04:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it's not widely known, as people normally thinks Tango to be only from Buenos Aires, but the truth is that the tango is from the Río de la Plata. Now, I'm not going to discuss whether it was born in Montevideo or Buenos Aires, nor if tango in Argentina is more important than in Uruguay, but no one can deny Uruguay its strong Tango identity. For instance La cumparsita was written by an Uruguayan author (though he then moved to Argentina). Argentina is better known because it had a huge number of artists, and a far bigger market. Many Uruguayan musicians moved to Buenos Aires because they had better chances of success there. All this coming from a proud Argentinian... Mariano(t/c) 10:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, they can't associate Tango to Montevideo to the same level as Argentina, for the simple fact that Tango, first originated in Buenos Aires, and in that time, Uruguay was part of the portuguese Empire.. It was not even a Nation. Tango first moved to Montevideo, after the Argentina culture penetrated in that country. But as always, you will have some resenthful uruguayans in Wikipedia, trying to suck all our culture. Thats why they claim Gardel as being uruguayan, when he was in fact French. Or the chileans, trying to claim the same level in the Patagonia Article, when in fact, 95% of the Patagonia lies in Argentine territory. It is not fair to have these articles partially affected by nationalism and patriotism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.30.123.183 (talk) 18:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tango and Montevideo 

message: Please vote Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tango.info (2nd nomination). `'mikka (t) 18:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tango-related article deletion 

message: Hello. The pictures of stage dancers gives a misleading idea of tango. How about if we replace them with some informal pictures taken at milongas. There are several people in the US alone who have tango photo galleries; I bet we can get someone to release (GPDL of course) a nice picture or two for Wikipedia. I'll try to get around to it but if someone else gets on it first I won't be upset. Best, 64.48.158.122 06:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need to find some noncommercial pictures 

message: The link http://www.learning2dance.com/site/?main_page=page&id=11&productId=76  Should be removed.  It says the following when you go to the site:
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Thanks,
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I belive only free resourses should be linked.
Coolest-tech 23:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  REmove link 

message: The dance in this film was a balero not a tango as suggested.
76.1.45.212 21:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the film the dance scene was approached in the manner of stereotypical over-the-top tango such as when the aim is to approach or surpass a Valentino-like level of drama. (Valentino didn't really tango in Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse, but we call it that anyway...) Fast forward through years of Hollywood tango spoofs including Joe E. Brown with Jack Lemmon (in drag) in Some Like It Hot. The rose held in the mouth is a clue that you are in Over-The-Top-Land. Having an extreme dip in the dance is another clue. I vote to let the Addams Family Values film remain in the list of movies that have a tango dance scene, however campy and distorted. It's all in fun.  Binksternet 20:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Film Addams family values 

message: Might the article or caption explain the significance of 'hesitate' in the pictured postcard? —Christian Campbell 08:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be a reference to the Hesitation Waltz, another popular dance from that period. Porfirio Landeros 03:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have the Castle teaching materials in front of me but I think they used the word "hesitation" for the tango dance concept of pause or espera where you stop forward motion and execute a slight plié downward or a slight lift upward for a beat or two to wait through a musically appropriate moment (or to help navigate a crowded dance floor.) The hesitation was very unusual in any dance so it made tango that much more memorable to its new aficionados. No references, I'm afraid. Binksternet 04:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significance of 'hesitate' in postcard? 

message: Hello,
this page is quite busy with editing. I added two movies (distributed in Germany and therefore probably not on the page before even so the movies are in Spanish). Hope that's fine.
greetings,
Christian  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.59.100.13 (talk) 22:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Tango Movies 

message: I deleted the section about Tangolates; it seemed to me to be only tangentially linked to tango dance, and it has its own page. Binksternet (talk) 15:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tangolates

message: I brought this link back in as I believe it to be without commercial motive (so far) as well as a very straightforward and attractive primer on basic tango moves and the embrace. Prior to my adding it back in it was removed twice for being spammed to multiple Wiki pages. I don't think this link should be attached to any other tango article; it belongs here at the Tango (dance) page. Binksternet (talk) 04:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tangoterms.com 

message: Hey, just letting you know I removed a spot of vandalised text from this article.  It was in the first line of the history section.137.99.77.14 (talk) 03:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I think the two articles Tango (dance) and Argentine Tango should be put together. They have too many topics in common.
--Diego de Tenerife 
--Diego de Tenerife (talk) 14:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it works fine as it is. No change. Binksternet (talk) 03:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The filmography need not be duplicated ?--195.137.93.171 (talk) 02:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The articles [[Tango (dance)]] and [[Argentine Tango]] should be put together 

message: Sorry, I don't have the time or the knowledge to fix it, but this article is a mess. For example, the paragraph beginning with: "The Tango Argentino is a partner dance, leaded by the man..."  makes no sense whatsoever. See specifically:  
:"The plenty of figueres the tango argentino shows is just a rich combination of these elements. All combination, as complicated they might be, has to be leaded, when not Tango Argentino stops to be so, because it misses one of its most important princips." 
It reads like a Babelfish translation. Anyone out there able to fix this? Rosetta1207 (talk) 14:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed this myself. Honestly, I can't make sense of it. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 15:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:   . The edit in question occurred on 06:01, 30 May 2010. I am reverting the entire section to the version prior to 30 May. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 15:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Translation: "The uncountable number of tango dance patterns show that tango is a dance made of combined elements, not just a set of long patterns that are memorized.  Ultimately, all patterns in the dance, no matter how complicated, are lead and followed.  Otherwise, it is merely choreography and memory, not Tango Argentino."  Now, while that is true, try finding an authoritative source online or in a book that says that.  It is usually something taught, not written down.
Maztec (talk) 09:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a mess 

message: Any word on the distinctive costume typically worn when tangoing (fedoras, waistcoats, long split skirts, dark colors, etc.)? ProhibitOnions (T) 12:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooh yes, and the shoes ! - Maybe they deserve their own page ?--195.137.93.171 (talk) 02:11, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Costume?

message: Where did these categories of tango even come from?  This seems like a partial, but incomplete and poorly written list.  The inclusion of "queer tango" as a separate style just puzzles the advanced dancer as the gender roles for everything but ballroom style eventually become blurred in the dance, except when a certain machismo is desired to be shown.  A better source and identification of categories needs to be done.  The styles listed in the opening paragraph are better than the list later in the article, which makes this even more confusing.
A better list would be as follows:  Tango Argentino, Tango de Salon, Tango Vals, Tango Milonguero, Tango Milonga, Tango Canyengue, Tango Orillero, Club Tango, Tango Nuevo, Nuevo Milonguero, Neo Tango, Tango Colgada, Ballroom/American Tango, Fantasia/Hollywood Tango, Finnish Tango, and the list goes on.  These could be summarized as Argentino, Salon, Vals, Milongeuro, Cayengue, Orillero, Club, Neuvo, Ballroom, Fantasia, Finnish.
Sample sources:
http://www.tejastango.com/tango_styles.html
http://www.allabouttango.com/styles.htm
http://www.totango.net/styles.html
http://dance.about.com/od/typesofdance/tp/Tango_Styles.htm
http://www.virtuar.com/tango/articles/2005/tango_styles.htm
Maztec (talk) 09:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Tango Categories/Styles

message: There should be a short section on naming conventions for a variety of common tango moves.  For example:  colgada, secada, gancho, volcada, boleo, enrosque, mordida, ocho, cadena, etc.  Probably should stick with a few that people are more likely to see when watching tango ... moves that really stand out, like the secada, gancho, boleo, and ocho.  Then refer to articles for the remainder.  For example: http://www.layuega.com/terms.htm
Maztec (talk) 09:26, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming Conventions

message: A pair of years ago, when the UNESCO declared Tango an Intangible Cultural Heritage, I rushed to this article to add the good news. I had not notice that there were two article, tango music and tango dance (this one). Perhaps the comment in the lead and the related category should be removed from here, and added to that other article? MBelgrano (talk) 17:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the UNESCO decision should be shared with all the tango articles on Wikipedia. Binksternet (talk) 18:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the category? There should be a single Tango entry in it. MBelgrano (talk) 18:38, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't quite understand. Binksternet (talk) 18:44, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  UNESCO 

message: This section starts by contrasting "international" with "European" tango and subsequently "American" with "English" tango. Are these four different styles? There is a subtle implication that "international" = "English" and "American" = "European", which seems unlikely. Tesspub (talk) 09:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlikely, I agree. American is a head-snap, open-embrace, choreographed variation of English, European and International ballroom styles, the latter three being very closely related if not confusingly similar. Binksternet (talk) 01:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballroom tango - contradictory taxonomy 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: moved per request. The precise relationship between the Tango and Argentine tango articles will have to be sorted out separately. Favonian (talk) 22:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Article uses "the tango" and "The Tango" with different capitalization.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Layne Phillips (talk • contribs) 19:23, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Tango (dance) →  – The primary topic is the dance, of which the Argentine tango and Tango (music) are subtopics. This would also require moving Tango to Tango (disambiguation). Srnec (talk) 21:22, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
* Support - have noticed this awkward disamb in the past and glad someone has proposed to fix it. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

text: * Comment: I don't believe that's what has been proposed. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 22:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
*Is this really a subtopic of Argentine tango given that it's the "modern international dance form that evolved from the Argentine tango" (from the hatnote on that page)?  --BDD (talk) 02:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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I was intrigued by this sentence: "The word "tango" seems to have first been used in connection with the dance in the 1890s". I come from Russian music and it is being told in music circles that there are so many Russian Tangos because the Argentinian musicians on the World Expo in Paris (1889, when the Eiffel Tower was opened) played so many Tangos there which the Russians (Andreyev's Balalaika Orchester) liked and they brought that style home to Russia. Food for thought for someone who can read Cyrillic. Possibly someone thought, we must give it a name when we go and perfom in Paris? Almuth Hauptmann-Gurski 121.209.56.202 (talk) 03:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalization

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* Support - have noticed this awkward disamb in the past and glad someone has proposed to fix it. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: * Comment: I don't believe that's what has been proposed. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 22:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
*Is this really a subtopic of Argentine tango given that it's the "modern international dance form that evolved from the Argentine tango" (from the hatnote on that page)?  --BDD (talk) 02:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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I was intrigued by this sentence: "The word "tango" seems to have first been used in connection with the dance in the 1890s". I come from Russian music and it is being told in music circles that there are so many Russian Tangos because the Argentinian musicians on the World Expo in Paris (1889, when the Eiffel Tower was opened) played so many Tangos there which the Russians (Andreyev's Balalaika Orchester) liked and they brought that style home to Russia. Food for thought for someone who can read Cyrillic. Possibly someone thought, we must give it a name when we go and perfom in Paris? Almuth Hauptmann-Gurski 121.209.56.202 (talk) 03:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I would replace the current external links:
Festivals Worldwide
Tango Events Worldwide Repository
By the following:
www.tangopolix.com - Worldwide Tango Events Directory and Search Engine, including Tango Festivals, Marathons, Encuentros, Seminars, Workshops, etc
Tangopolix is much more comprehensive and complete than the previously mentioned links, and adapts to every screen resolution which makes it more accessible and easy to use.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tangopolix (talk • contribs) 22:17, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit External Links 

message: See multiple move request. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:19, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Talk:María (tango)]]

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message: What exactly is the semantic connection between the Yoruba thunder-god Shangó and the tango? The etymology section doesn't give any explanation, and there's no a priori reason to associate the two (unlike with the competing etymology hypotheses). — 69.120.64.15 (talk) 17:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yoruba etymology? 

message: IP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/77.218.44.30 just suggested "This last paragraph is a bit deceiving, and should be looked over by someone who is qualified." for the Tango nuevo section. Anyone interested?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealLifeRobot (talk • contribs) 17:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tango nuevo section should be improved? 

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