Talk:East Oakland, Oakland, California

message: "New Chinatown" as described in your East Oakland article,  is not any sort of official, accepted, or accurate name to describe a district or neighborhood here, in District 2, in Oakland.   
I have lived here for 29 years, in the "Lower San Antonio", "Greater Grand Lake", "Clinton Park", "Brooklyn tract".... all of these are the same approximate area, and all have some historic and verifiable basis for being called by these names. 
"New Chinatown" was coined by some Chinese Realtors based in Oakland's  Chinatown,  approximately five years ago.  A sign appeared one day on International Blvd. (formerly E.14th St.) at 5th Ave.  saying, "Welcome to New Chinatown".   The sign was immediately removed.  The merchants on that strip,  a mix of Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Laotian, African American, Caucasian, Hispanic, one German, had gotten together and voted to form "Eastlake Merchants Association". Eastlake had become a popular term to unify and describe the area immediately east of Lake Merritt. This was a way to define the general area and include the Brooklyn, Clinton etc.  neighborhoods under one umbrella. This neighborhood is at the nexus of several, and has the smaller "Clinton Park" designation, within greater "Brooklyn", and then "San Antonio" and "Lower San Antonio".   "Eastlake" is admitedly a modern consensus reached name...  however there was a process in arriving at this name.. a group of established merchants representing the diverse nature of the area voted and came up with this "Eastlake" name, and it has been generally well received.  Everyone I have talked to admits "Eastlake" is not a historic name. Some choose to call the area, "San Antonio,  Brooklyn, Clinton Park".   
As the owner of La Estrellita Restaurant (a well loved establishment in the area for over thirty years) said: "I live in the Fruitvale, and you don't hear anyone there (in this overwhemingly Hispanic district) trying to change the name to "New Tijuana" or "El Barrio"..
This district 2,  in Oakland,  has been noted by the City as being the most ethnically diverse in the city.   I inquired about the "New Chinatown" label about two years ago, when I saw several Chinatown based realtors using this name, and the Council office said, "we aren't hearing it being call New Chinatown, and don't see it as an issue".  
The use of the name "New Chinatown" suggests at worst "steering", by realtors with a biased investment, and at best, simple, general ignorance by others.    
The local realtor's board should be putting some effort into clarifying names of districts and neighborhoods, as they have a responsibility to insure accuracy. There was some effort put into this, and I will follow up on this.    Apparently,  there is a lot of "room" to get names put in the Multiple Listing Service for neighborhood designations, (as lobbied by realtors), so this brings up another interesting issue, which may lead to answers as to why "New Chinatown" has become OK for some to use.
I have no objection to a neighborhood or district's entitlement  to call itself what it wants to after some sort of large scale community process with accountabilty and legitimate process.  The mere idea that an increase in population of one ethnic group and the people who would benefit financially from this increase would justify a name change to an neighborhood is objectional, offensive, and disturbing to me.    
I am of Irish descent.   If I were to bring all my friends and relatives from Ireland and create a little enclave,  could I go ahead and advertise us in the Multiple Listing Service and Newspaper AND in MAPS such as on Wikipedia etc.. as "New Dublin",  or "Little Ireland".      I surely think Fruitvale could make a case that it is ripe for being changed to "New Guadalajara"; and frankly I could make more of a case that the influx of Hispanics there would justify that name change, more than the Chinese influx here in Brooklyn, Eastlake, Clinton Park, Lower San Antonio.
Thank you.
Ellen Lynch
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.137 (talk • contribs)  06:01, 15 January 2006
:In defense, a Chinatown is usually a compact shopping area, so the name may not extend over surrounding residential areas or the whole district. And I've heard "New Chinatown" used for the Richmond district in San Francisco and San Gabriel/Monterey Park in LA.
:On the con side, the name is not very distinctive, both because of its use in other cities, and because application of the name may continue to change as Chinese businesses and people continue to move around.
:The article should make it clear that it is a generic term for an Asian business district, and not a renaming of an existing neighborhood. JWB 16:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fruitvale is definatly a distinct neighborhood/district of Oakland as like any distinct city it deserves an article. Fruitvale is in East Oakland, but East Oakland is not a neighborhood it is a geographical grouping of the low income flatland neighborhoods of oakland south of downtown. Furitvale has its own community center, business district, bart station, and most importantly neighborhood council which is what wikipedia uses as a measure for notability for individual neighborhood articles.71.142.91.34 21:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The official name of "New Chinatown" (according to the city) is Eastlake, as noted above.  Please note that there is an article for the  San Antonio district that has subsections for all the neighborhoods it is comprised of (Eastlake, Jingletown, Murder Dubbs/The Twomps, etc). Steve CarlsonTalk 19:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Chinatown

message: I want to add to the history section to talk more about the changing population over time and some of the causes of their current economic statuses. I think that there is much more to East Oakland than the name changes of some roads. I also want to add a little section on the gentrification of Oakland because that also plays a big part in the relocation of ethnic minorities to the area. Though I will generally discuss demographics, I think there should also be a section of demographics either as its own or as a subsection of history to mention the actual statistical change of the diversity of the population. Cciotti22 (talk) 19:36, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Before WWII, East Oakland was prominently white. After WWII there was an influx of immigrants because of the new availability of jobs which caused an overflow of the population from the inner city to East Oakland which caused many whites to relocate to suburbs and resulted in East Oakland being a ethnically diverse, poor area. It was around the same time that the Chicano/Latino population became more prominent than African Americans in the area. I want to edit the history section to make it more general to the populations that have populated East Oakland over the years Cciotti22 (talk) 19:24, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: It is my understanding that West Oakland is what was predominately Black during and after WWII, with many areas of East Oakland remaining predominately white into the 1960s. Neanderthalprimadonna 02:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before WWII, East Oakland was prominently white. After WWII there was an influx of immigrants because of the new availability of jobs which caused an overflow of the population from the inner city to East Oakland which caused many whites to relocate to suburbs and resulted in East Oakland being a ethnically diverse, poor area. It was around the same time that the Chicano/Latino population became more prominent than African Americans in the area. I want to edit the history section to make it more general to the populations that have populated East Oakland over the years Cciotti22 (talk) 19:24, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: East Oakland after WWII

message: East Oakland is a notable food desert because of the lack of stores with nutritious or fresh food which plays a major part in the lives of the people who live in the area because they live without food security. I will have a link to the food desert page if people want more details on what specifically that is and why east Oakland classifies as one. I want to have a general outline of stores available in the area and what implications that has on the people. There have also been movements by schools and corner stores to try and address issues with food scarcity that I will address more in this section. Cciotti22 (talk) 19:36, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stores 

message: At the moment Elmhurst, Oakland, California is a stub. Articles grow more quickly when more people view them, and more people will view the parent article. The information as it stands at the moment is more useful when considered as part of the parent article where it can be discussed alongside the general information on East Oakland. When and if the info on Elmhurst grows beyond a couple of paragraphs it can be then broken out in WP:Summary style into a stand alone article. SilkTork *What's YOUR point? 09:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Elmhurst, Oakland, California]] into [[East Oakland, Oakland, California#Elmhurst]] 

message: This section has been moved to the Oakland Hills, Oakland, California page. The Oakland Hills are demographically different than the flatlands. Binksternet (talk) 15:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Southeast Hills

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Thanks in advance, --Jerome Potts (talk) 07:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the [[Artesian aquifer|artesian well(s)]]? 

message: I am a lifelong Oakland resident and I go to East Oakland often for shopping (Hispanic groceries, hair cuts). Several of the neighborhoods listed as being in East Oakland I have never heard of. "Canyon Oaks" is a gated  apartment complex with Sequoyah and "Greenridge" is a street in Sequoyah. "Malcolm Heights "is Chabot Park, "Seneca Toler" is two separate neighborhoods Toler Heights and Oak Knoll Golf Links, Castlewood and Flintridge are streets in Oak Knoll Golf Links as is 
Blandon/Glenly/Fontaine"Never heard of "The Gate" in my lifetime in Oakland maybe this is the gate by the San Leandro border. "Monte Vista Villas" is a subdivision with Caballo Hills in an old quarry. There is a bus stop going to Skyline High school named this but I don't think this is considered a neighborhood .Where's the source for the East Oakland hood list Many of the neighborhoods are there some aren't and there are some that aren't even neighborhoods at least not anymore. Also make a distinction between hill and flatland hoods. Kirk345 (talk) 02:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neighborhoods in East Oakland 

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