Talk:The Sound and the Fury

message: I deleted this section. It sounds like a bitter high school kid wrote it.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.92.176.11 (talk) 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Accessibility

message: Who wrote this section? have they even read the book?  "Faulkner was very much preoccupied with the question of how the ideals of the old South could be maintained or preserved in the post-Civil War era"- not exactly how I would phrase his intense criticism of southern ideals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannah Angelove (talk • contribs) 08:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hannah, I would completely agree with your comment on first glance, but though the quoted sentence is much flawed and ambiguous it does have a point. Faulkner was occupied (not preoccupied) with how the "honour" (not ideals, which borders on a play-school reading of Faulkner) could be maintained through the degradation of their own realisation of the complete wrongness of their system in post-Civil War South. Read Absalom for his immaculate phrasing of this exact sentiment of mixed reluvsion and love for his homeland.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.66.242 (talk) 19:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree with Hannah. Every single thing in that section needs to be either sourced or deleted. Softlavender (talk) 09:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Literary significance and criticism"

message: :The Sound and the Fury is a well-known novel written by American author William Faulkner.
This is a pretty vapid sentence; it could apply to any of Faulkner's books (and "well-known" is  in the eye of the beholder, i.e. POV).  Could someone rewrite it to briefly summarize the unique points of "The Sound and the Fury"?  I can't because I've never read it, and I don't trust Wikipedia plot synopses. 71.235.238.180 00:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  first sentence 

message: Is this really a standard book for high school kids to read??  That would amaze me.  This is a very difficult book to get one's mind around.  Frankly, I think most of it would be lost on most high-school students.  Seems more college level.  I'm a 31 year old college grad, just read it, am re-reading it, and I'm still grappling with it (eschewing Cliff Notes or any devices that'd help me "get" it, including this article.) (Love it, by the way). And I don't think I'm particularly slow either.  I just think this is a book that is very difficult to grok. Went to a pretty good private high school, never read anything half as challenging as this.-C.M.67.170.176.203 19:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: High school reading?

message: I really disagree with calling SOTF a "gothic" novel. Not only does it not really fit the bill (hardly any supernatural stuff, no creepy imagery, little violence unless you count Quentin's suicide, which is not described).  Not to mention, the claim is a little reductive. The phrase "Southern Gothic" brings to mind a certain quaint regionalism which I think the book, being one of America's recognized masterpieces, has transcended, both in terms of quality, and in terms of its canonization.
-You are confusing Southern Gothic with Romanticism/Gothic.
-Yes, you are. It very much fits southern gothic; see Flannery O'Connor. Little supernatural imagery is involved.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.3.10 (talk) 03:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Southern Gothic

message: Article does not cite sparknotes.com
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Sparknotes
Time
Faulkner’s treatment and representation of time in this novel was hailed as revolutionary. Faulkner suggests that time is not a constant or objectively understandable entity, and that humans can interact with it in a variety of ways. Benjy has no concept of time and cannot distinguish between past and present. His disability enables him to draw connections between the past and present that others might not see, and it allows him to escape the other Compsons’ obsessions with the past greatness of their name. Quentin, in contrast, is trapped by time, unable and unwilling to move beyond his memories of the past. He attempts to escape time’s grasp by breaking his watch, but its ticking continues to haunt him afterward, and he sees no solution but suicide. Unlike his brother Quentin, Jason has no use for the past. He focuses completely on the present and the immediate future. To Jason, time exists only for personal gain and cannot be wasted. Dilsey is perhaps the only character at peace with time. Unlike the Compsons, who try to escape time or manipulate it to their advantage, Dilsey understands that her life is a small sliver in the boundless range of time and history.
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Another major theme is Time. Faulkner’s treatment and representation of time in this novel was hailed as revolutionary. Faulkner suggests that time is not a constant or objectively understandable entity, and that humans can interact with it in a variety of ways. Benjy has no concept of time and cannot distinguish between past and present. His disability enables him to draw connections between the past and present that others might not see, and it allows him to escape the other Compsons’ obsessions with the past greatness of their name. Quentin, in contrast, is trapped by time, unable and unwilling to move beyond his memories of the past. He attempts to escape time’s grasp by breaking his watch, but its ticking continues to haunt him afterward, and he sees no solution but suicide. Unlike his brother Quentin, Jason has no use for the past. He focuses completely on the present and the immediate future. To Jason, time exists only for personal gain and cannot be wasted. Dilsey is perhaps the only character at peace with time. Unlike the Compsons, who try to escape time or manipulate it to their advantage, Dilsey understands that her life is a small sliver in the boundless range of time and history.
Please avoid plagiarism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.237.216.211 (talk) 01:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed 

message: There should be a discussion of the Epilogue to S&F. Although the Epilogue Compson:1699-1945 does not appear in the most popular Vinatge International Edition (ala Oprah), Faulkner did write it when creating the Portable Faulkner. Faulkner claimed that it was the key to understading the whole novel, and he was disappointed that he had not written it when he had first published the novel. Further, it tells the story of what happens to the Compsons after the novel ends. I believe it should be discussed in some way, shape, or form. Agreed?--65.37.61.81 20:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epilogue 

message: Benji's section uses the phrase: "mental retardation and/or autism (never explicitly identified as either)". In fact, autism wasn't first described until 1938, nine years after the publication of the novel. Therefore, I don't feel that saying "never explicitly identified as either" is entirely proper. It would have been impossible for Faulkner to provide that description. I can't really think of how to correct it, and am not totally sure it needs a change, but it's something to think about.
Tetyl (talk) 04:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mental Retardation/Autism 

message: The page gives Quentin Compson III's year of birth as 1890 in the 'Characters in "The Sound and the Fury"' section. But the Quentin Compson page, and the plaque shown, both use 1891. Presumably the latter is correct?
Terrycojones (talk) 15:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quentin's year of birth 

message: Is "and he did you" an accurate direct quotation?Unfree (talk) 22:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: and he did you

message: Okay, let's get this thing going. What do we need to do to make this better? Who might be willing to...
(Feel free to add to the 'to-do' list if you see things that need to be done.)
1 - Get the references into in-line citations.
2 - 'Literary significance and criticism' should be expanded
3 - Reformat to conform to the 'Pattern template'
4 - Fill in areas on the 'Pattern template' that are currently hidden - go to 'edit screen to see what's currently blank.
Sabiona (talk) 15:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaboration

message: I find the discussion of the title's meaning (as of this version) to be... problematic. I'm worried it misrepresents Faulkner's acceptance speech in order to misinterpret the title of the work. Here's a copy of the speech, though I'm not sure how relevant it should be.
:The last line is, perhaps, the most meaningful; Faulkner said in [his Nobel acceptance speech] that people must write about things that come from the heart, "universal truths". Otherwise they signify nothing.
The Shakespearian quote is primarily about mortality being inevitable, and implying ultimate meaninglessness. Faulkner's book is about the demise of a Southern family and raises questions of its original significance. Faulkner's acceptance speech was about human perseverance and triumph in an unrelated context. This bit of the article makes it sound like Faulkner is issuing a direct rebuttal to Shakespeare, which is not clearly the case. Even if I'm wrong, there are still major citation/original research issues here. 
I didn't want to jump in on such a widely edited article though, so these are my two cents, I'll leave it to the regulars on this page to make the call. --Thomas B♘talk 04:01, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of Title's Meaning 

message: The image shows Benjy's year of birth as 1985. I believe it should read 1895.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.202.31.95 (talk) 08:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're absolutely right. Thanks for pointing this out. I have removed the image and notified the creator of it. It may be replaced into the article when it is corrected. Softlavender (talk) 09:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compson family tree 

message: Jason appears in Absalom, Absalom! only as a figure in Quentin's memory, not as a narrator.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midwinterdreams (talk • contribs) 20:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jason III narrating Absalom, Absalom! 

message: I have not read this, so it seems odd that so much is made of Faulkner's technique, but there are hardly any examples on the page, compared to, say, Finnegans Wake. MonoTrouble (talk) 00:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demonstration of technique 

message: Is Benjy a source of shame to his family because he is severely mentally disabled, or because he was castrated after raping a girl? Surely the latter is as good a reason as the former.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:02, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source of shame 

message: First off, starting off the section with the only source being critical of the book is disingenuous when it is, as told earlier in the article, one of the most highly regarded novels of all time. What there needs to be is more sources for the following section that detail the influence of the novel and critical praise to balance this out. The goal for wikipedia is to be as representative of consensus as possible.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6010:1100:6026:185F:2E1F:3E7E:A91B (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception needs more sources