Talk:Bully (video game)/Archive 1

message: "A press release by Take-Two Interactive, publishers of the game, states, "As a troublesome schoolboy, you'll laugh and cringe as you stand up to bullies, get picked on by teachers, play pranks on malicious kids, win or lose the girl, and ultimately learn to navigate the obstacles of the fictitious reform school, Bullworth Academy." This Game is the best game ever made for any system in the history of the universe"
While I believe that Bully is a very good game, the last sentence is obviously not coming from an objective point of view; it has absolutely no place in an encyclopedia and therefore should be removed.
I removed the links to Bully OnLine.  It appears to be a separate site from Bullying Online, which is the site that complained about the game.  This may stem from what appears to be a typo in [www.igniq.com/2005/08/thompson-bullies-rockstar-over.html]; according to , Carnell is from Bullying Online.  Of course, this is complicated by a link from that BBC article to Bully OnLine.  If anyone has evidence that Bully OnLine has complained, please add that to the article. -GregoryWeir 20:12, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro paragraph 

message: I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM EVERYONE THAT CANIS CANEM EDIT IS NOT LATIN FOR DOG EAT DOG—Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.210.34 (talk • contribs) 
:from what I can tell, from attempting to use several different translators, it does mean dog eat dog.  However, since you're positive it's wrong, care to provide an alternate translation with a proper source?  And please don't "shout".--Vercalos 04:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Canis Canem Edit=Dog Eat Dog?

message: "You can get even with bullies. You take a baseball bat and beat up their heads," he said. "It is going to show kids how to respond in school. Is this what we want our kids doing?" -Utah rep David Hogue I can find no reference to this.  As the article says, you'll "stand up to bullies".  Rockstar has posted a picture of what I assume is such a confrontation.   When they say "stand up to bullies", I'd assume this does not mean you'll murder and/or assault them with deadly weapons.
:Gunslinger47 22:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The representative sounds like a nutjob, because nothing Rockstar has said, or released photos depicting, even resembles the act of beating someone with a bat. The very closest anything has come is a screenshot of Jimmy kicking someone during what looks like a fight. 24.32.212.143 12:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: You can beat people up with a number of objects, though many are limited to certain special fights.  The normal weapons include those hazing paddles you see in most stereotypical school movies, broken sticks, and, yes, baseball bats.  You can also use basket balls, soccer balls, frisbees, and even textbooks to throw at your fellow students.  So yes.  You can beat people in the head with a baseball bat.  I've played through the entire story;  there's no blood or deaths in the game.  In fact, the closest thing to any sort of blood is the boxing matches;  as you and your opponent get more and more beat up, you show more bruises.--Vercalos 23:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've played the game for a few hours and yes indeed, you can beat people with baseball bats, so David Hogue is right on that point. I only seem to have found the bats though when they have been dropped by other characters (rather than going armed with one myself) and they disintegrate after a number of hits. Unlikelyheroine 06:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can find them laying around too..--Vercalos 06:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any truth to this? 

message: Just a few minutes ago, I finished watching Attack of the Show's Loop. They Talked with 3 other people, a game critic, a lawyer/ activist aganst Violance in video games, and a guy incharge of a video game website. They disscused about this game and other things about violant games. Should this be included in the article?
--ASDFGHJKL 23:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the one. At this point in time it is not really notable, or relevant to the article, really. If, say, Jack Thompson manages to get Bully banned from sale in the US, then it may well be relevant, but until then I don't feel it is, really. --Dreaded Walrus 15:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Bully wasn't even the focus of the discussion, and when it came up, there was just a whole bunch of shouting.--Agent Aquamarine 00:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Attack of the Show]]'s 8\10\06 episode

message: Everything I've read on the game says that Bullworth is just a boarding school, not a reform school.  There is a big difference, and is especially relevent due to the controversy surrounding the game.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.230.45 (talk • contribs) 
:It's a reform school. Read it in this month's OPM. ⇒Bayerischermann  - 05:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's a boarding school. Read the reviews. 154.20.135.89 21:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps it's both?  It seems that some of the students are well behaved, but most of them seem to be troublemakers one way or another, and even the headmaster makes some points about his school reforming the behavior of some of the children..--Vercalos 06:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bullworth seems to have a combination of private school traits.  Kids in need of drastic reform (Russell, Gary, Jimmy himself), kids whos parents pay for their priveleges (the preppies), an athletics-centered private school (preferential treatment of the jocks and Burton), and just a normal boarding school for parents who don't want their kids underfoot (Petey).  Sort of like the town of Bullworth is supposed to be a microcosm representing New England, Bullworth School is to private education.  McJeff 11:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reform School? 

message: When is Rockstar going to update the official Bully site!? The game comes out in less than a month. One would assume that they would attempt to finish the website to help create more buzz for the game.  AbbaZabba39 08:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be entirely honest, I'm quite disappointed in them with regards to the Bully website. Upon viewing that page you would almost think that there is no world outside of North America. As far as I can tell that is the only official website, yet it mentions neither the release date outside of NA, nor the ratings for any such area. And this is even more worrying coming from Rockstar, a company who is famous for its online marketing strategies and viral websites.--Dreaded Walrus 18:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe Rockstar reads the Talk section for the Bully Wiki page, but they updated the official site today. The Student and Faculty Facebook thing is working now. AbbaZabba39 21:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: From what I've seen of previous Rockstar game sites, they tend to be very slow at updating them.--ᎠᏢ462090 23:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Website Update? 

message: Did someone alter the character names? Because the plot synopsis states that 'Jimmy' is the main character, yet the cast list says 'sage'. There are also names used in place of cast members that appear to be toilet humor-based. (*reads what he just wrote* wow. someone's high-minded, huh?) Secos5 13:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it was vandalism, I'd have reverted it myself but my stupid works webfilter wouldn't let the edit button work for it for some reason. The Kinslayer 14:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've reverted the vandalism. Realkritik 18:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism?

message: I was just browsing that section and I just realised that this game might fit the criteria. I wasn't sure about it so I thought I should bring this up here first. Here's my argument;
# It was attacked in the tabloids before any information was released
# This has led to it falling under legal scrutiny and being banned in certain retailers - Bisected8 19:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, if one more person agrees I'll add it -Bisected8 13:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead. Almost Anonymous 13:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just adding my agreement for good measure! The Kinslayer 13:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was quick... Almost Anonymous 14:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What was? The Kinslayer 14:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreeing. It only took five minutes for two people to answer, even though this isn't the most popular article. Almost Anonymous 15:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should this article be added to the section on moral panics? 

message: Anyone else notice the George Lucas reference in the mission to get to the school observatory?  Namely the 1138 for the key code to the gate?
::[Personal attack removed.] --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 22:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't use the keycode until Jimmy learns it in the game, so it's hardly a spoiler, or even a pertinant story detail.--Vercalos 23:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Lucas reference? 

message: Should it be mentioned that Mike Patton did the score for the game, possibly as trivia? BrainRotMenacer 03:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Trivia sections should be avoided, and what that means is when you have good information like that, you should find a place for it in the article. It's not trivia; it's pertinent information. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 05:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah.  The THX-1138 reference would be trivia.  This is pertinant information.--Vercalos 06:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Did Mike Patton really do the music? His names not in the credits in the manual with the other score composers. The Kinslayer 09:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mike Patton 

message: The UK release date definitly seems to be th 27th (tomorrow) and NOT the 24th as is currently stated in the infobox. Some online sources are saying today (the 26th) but that's to allow them delivery time. The Kinslayer 10:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I set the release date in the UK as the 25th following Woolworths breaking the release date and selling early. The Kinslayer 16:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: is this copied straight from a press release or something? -Mickiscoole 11:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot Synopsis

message: Why is the "Sexuality" section listed under "Controversy?" There is no mention of controversy in the section. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 09:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably a POV thing.  I'm not entirely sure however.  The fact that the game does in fact have homosexuality in it could be viewed as controversial.  And I made the ESRB section part of the Controversy section because it more or less implicitly involves controversy..  Although we probably could get away with getting rid of the controversy section altogether and making the two sections in the controversy section their own, independant section.--Vercalos 23:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: Could we get a better picture of Jimmy? You can't really see his face well in the one up right now.
[Personal attack removed.]
The current picture up of Jimmy is pretty outdated.  If you look at the earliest pictures of Jimmy compared with the new ones, they made his ears stick out less, his nose a bit smaller, and generally made him less ugly. McJeff 20:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: The nerd cheer from the Russel boss battle isn't "Remember the Coney Island Warriors!" It's "Remember the code of the warrior!" Also, Gary calls the arena "The Hole", not "The Pit", and either way, I don't see how it's a reference to The Warriors. I'm removing that entry from the Trivia section. --RiffRaff1138 03:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Warriors home turf was Coney Island...--Vercalos 04:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're telling me something I already know, and fail to see the relevance of in the current context. --RiffRaff1138 06:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given it's the Nerds that say, I would have thought that the 'code of the warrior' would be a G&G/D&D joke. The Kinslayer 17:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Misread the statement..  Yeah.. They don't mention the Coney Island warriors, to my knowledge.--Vercalos 03:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Code of the Warrior" =/= "Coney Island Warriors" 

message: We at wikipedia condone Child molestation, and hate for niggers. Yes, at Wikipedia we rape minors, and kill black people. We hate niggers, and we love to have sex with children. We enjoy it so much that we would like to tell you that we are responsible for 50% of child porn in the world, and of course nigger killings.
Vagina Hopkins: We here at Wikipedia feel that it is nessary to tell you that we hgate black people. Niggers Have infested the world, we hate black people. And cwe condone the actions of the KKK. We hate niggers.
We hate niggers.
Trent We hate niggers
Ethan: A black bully.''
Vandalism lock please?
I know, I was WTFing that too but I didn't know how to report it
What the hell was that? Someone needs some serious therapy!!!
FreemDeem 16:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the-- 

message: In the halloween-task Pete wears a pink bunny suit, and in buffy season 4 Anya also wears a pink bunny suit for halloween.
:It may be a a reference to A Christmas Story. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 20:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I very much doubt it's a reference to Buffy, as Anya's hardly a match for Petey.--Vercalos 23:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to buffy? 

message: First off: all the bulleted lists need to go. A suggest a table of some sort for the notable things. Remember: Wikipedia isn't a game guide, so it's not important to list each and every character and item/weapon in the game. Secondly, references to pop culture could be cleaned as well. Wikipedia isn't a pop culture guide. I'm sure more could be done, but those are the two main things I see that would make the article look alot neater. RobJ1981 00:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it's just the fact that I did a whole lot of work on the character list speaking, but I don't think the character list needs to be changed, shortened, cleaned up, etc...  If anything, it should be exported to a Characters of Bully/Canis Canem Edit page.  This has been done with most other videogames.  McJeff 20:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. The bulleted lists need to be removed immediately. There's legitimate media coverage over this game (such as BBC's website), so this has the potential to be a good article, but right now it's downright awful. --Tristam 01:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted on the computer and video games project talk page about the article as well. So I'm hoping that will help things out. RobJ1981 01:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. It's not just a problem with this article, all of the Grand Theft Auto articles have too many sections that read like strategy guides, too. Until then, I moved the characters page and shortened the weapons/equipment sections just to try and clean things up a bit. It'd be nice if someone could just replace all of the bulleted sections with a nice paragraph about gameplay features. I'll admit the pop culture references interest me, but again, is it really neccessary for an encyclopedia article? Pele Merengue 21:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideas on how to cleanup the article

message: can someone please get me the link on www.rockstargames.com for merchadise 4 me kuz when i click it the page freezes? please i kno i shouldnt ask but c'mon pleas ehelp me out, ty
:Ummmm... Here you go. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 20:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link  

message: I browsed this section and I didn't see listed that a prefect will sometimes say, "Come out to play-aayy" quote from the movie "The Warriors". Did anyone else notice this?
:Probably added because Rockstar did the Warriors game.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Knock yourself out...  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 21:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no move Part Deux 19:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refrence to pop culture: another addition 

message: :Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
*Support Not trying to vote twice, just stating my support here so it's more apparent.--Vercalos 11:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I think Bully should be added to the "Controversial computer and video games" section.
:Indeed, I agree. - Redmess 19:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add On 

message: Does anyone else think that this suddenly appeared detailed story section should be removed? It's huge, crufty and poorly typed up. Frankly it's an eyesore. It goes into what I think is stupid detail. We only need an overview of the story, not a huge step-by-step walkthrough of the story complete with quotes. I'm gonna be bold and delete it if at the end of the week if no-one raises any objections. The Kinslayer 15:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Kinslayer too..  A basic summary would be alright, but a detailed synopsis of the story, chapter by chapter is excessive, unecessary, and has few precedents within Wikipedia.--Vercalos 05:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A small summary: but no chapter by chapter information is needed. That type of thing doesn't belong here. RobJ1981 08:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wish I'd seen this discussion earlier before I spent a couple hours working on cleaning the plot synopsis section up.  None the less, I've neatened it up extensively.  It may be a bit long, but it's organized and less "crufty", and should be easier to edit by anyone who wants to.  If the decision is to shorten it that's fine with me.  McJeff 12:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The plot summary is identical to the version that was previously removed, and is attracting vandalism and nonsense information adders. I think at best an extra 2 sentences per chapter is all that needs to be added to the summary in thre gameplay section. The Kinslayer 09:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I went ahead and removed the section entirely since it's being so eagerly vandalized.  We should decide what's to be in it before (if) we re-add it to the page. McJeff 17:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  Somehow when you reverted the vandalism earlier, you also reverted a bunch of other stuff, including the chapter descriptions.  The detailed chapter descriptions I did can be viewed  here, but I won't try to add them back to the article without consensus.  McJeff 17:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it as best I could, and I'd just like say nice one for getting rid of that bloody annoying endless trivia list! It was driving me crazy trying to figure out a way to acceptably dispose of it. I'm going to request a review to see where the article stands at the moment. The Kinslayer 11:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detailed Story 

message: I think the Cliques subsection should be merged with the List of characters in Bully article, otherwise we'll have two consecutive links to the same article... Franck Drake 15:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I got no objection to this. The Kinslayer 16:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just deleted the cliques section and added a sentence naming the cliques to the Characters section.  McJeff 20:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cliques and Characters 

message: Please bear with me, as this is the first assessment I have done for CVG. I hope that it is fair and helpful.
Considerable work, including a Peer Review, has been done on the article. After reviewing the assessment scale several times, however, I have decided to keep the article as start-class, but barely.
Considerable work still must be done to improve the quality of this article.
*Additional references are needed throughout the article, but especially in the Introduction. Was there really a planned XBox version? Prove it. 
*The page assumes that the reader has some idea of what Bully is, notably in the Gameplay section where some examples are given as to types of gameplay included but is still confusing to those readers who have not played the game before.
*Quite a bit of copy-editing is needed, and some parts are not NPOV
*External Links section seems to contain articles that would be better used as references
The most well written section appears to be the ESRB controversy section, as it contains an appropriate number of references and is somewhat easier to understand for someone who hasn't played the game, but still requires that the user has heard of the title to understand.
This potential for this article is present, but unfortunately I cannot upgrade its status until the article on a whole is improved. -Digiwrld1 22:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a reference to the intro citing the Xbox version getting cancelled, and a reference to the two UK companies refusing to sell it.  At work rewriting the sexuality section to make it less POV.  McJeff 23:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: As a second comment, I know I remember reading an interview with the creators of Bully where they said the uproar over the inclusion of boys kissing boys was "unexpected but amusing", but I can't seem to find it.  Anyone happen to know where it might be? McJeff 23:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CVG Assessment 

message: Are pepole trying to get the game banned?Themasterofwiki 17:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game being banned? 

message: could we get a link to the ther origanal antagonist in bully63.166.254.137 18:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  antagonist