Talk:Freedomites

message: There's got to be some somewhere, maybe in BC Archives or the newspaper archives...the image needed here is the archetypal sensationalist one of the naked older women and their burning houses, being arrested by police etc.  Somewhere there might be a picture of the old tenement camp at Mountain Prison in Kent, too....Skookum1 (talk) 19:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo request

message: The first paragraph quotes population numbers. I don't see citations for the source of these statistics. I see those numbers as problematic. As far as I know the Sons Of Freedom are not an active group any more, but there is a group of former Sons Of Freedom members called the Reformed Doukhobors. I could accept the number of Sons Of Freedom in that paragraph if the wording was changed somewhat. I also think the number of Doukhobors in Canada needs a bit of qualification.
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Freedomites, also called Svobodniki or Sons of Freedom, first appeared in 1902 in Saskatchewan, Canada, and later in the Kootenay and Boundary districts of British Columbia, as a Doukhobor extremist group. Of the about 20,000 Doukhobor living in Canada today, about 2,500 are Freedomites.
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Freedomites, also called Svobodniki or Sons of Freedom, first appeared in 1902 in Saskatchewan, Canada, and later in the Kootenay and Boundary districts of British Columbia, as a Doukhobor extremist group. Of the about 20,000 people of Doukhobor descent living in Canada today, about 2,500 are descended from the Freedomites.
Leon  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.212.229 (talk) 02:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Populations 

message: The basic problem with this Wikipedia posting on Freedomites  (last modified on May 19, 2016) is that there is an assumption that Freedomites are Doukhobors. This is not correct.
1. Practically all of the references are to Freedomites without context. Freedomites are a different group from the Doukhobors. The authors of this article legitimate the Freedomites/Sons of Freedom/zealots by placing them into the wider literary history of the Doukhobors. In effect, this is a hijacking tactic designed to give credence to the Freedomites as the heroes of the Doukhobor movement. There is no reference here to: Tarasoff, Koozma J., 'The "Sons of Freedom" -- a Flashback to 1956'.   https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OU9iadRrZd37rI8opvBVE22LStPvDvx1ogwtgsFX_88/preview    Conovaloff (talk) 18:14, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freedomites are not Doukhobors 

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message: The parents of New Denver Survivors were "sovereign people", most popularly called in the press as "Sons of Freedom", who feared public education for their children. Most of their kids were "snatched" by police in the 1950s and confined to a fenced  dormitory school at New Denver, BC, to force-educate them despite contrary recommendations by sociologists. 
"Operation Snatch" could be a section in "New Denver Survivors".  
For historic clarity, the history of Canadian Doukhobor zealots, who declared in 1902 that they were "svobodniki" (sovereign free people) and began a long series of protests, were later called "Freedomites" and "Sons of Freedom". They self-separated from 2 other types of new immigrant Canadian Doukhobors -- (1) community/communal and (2) independent. 
For more than 100 years media and scholars have rarely distinguished between these 3 major types, which created a huge amount of unreliable literature. See topic above: Freedomites are not Doukhobors.  Conovaloff (talk) 14:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split into 2 or 3 pages : Sons of Freedom (Freedomites), New Denver Survivors, Operation Snatch (Sons of Freedom)