Talk:Regina Spektor

message: In the lead, the following sentence is confusing:
When she was 9 years old, her family emigrated to the United States where she continued her classical training into her teenage years; she began to write original songs shortly thereafter.
It's confusing what timeframe "shortly thereafter" refers to. Based on the rest of the article, it seems to mean after the emigration not after her teenage years. Can this be clarified? --BLebow4500 (talk) 17:18, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead - when she began writing songs 

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message: For some reason, this page is hovered over for years by people wanting to describe this person to our readers as "American" rather than "Russian-American" in the lede. Can't agree.
It could be debatable since she came at nine years old. That's sort of in the middle. Let's think about this.
If you're born in Russia and come to America at age two, then Russia hasn't really impinged itself on your consciousness. You won't remember anything about Russia. You can barely talk, so although Russian is your mother tongue, you may readily lose it and speak English with total intuitive fluency. A reasonable case could be made for calling you "American", I guess. I don't know if I'd buy it, but I see a case.
If you're born in Russia and come over at age twenty, then Russia has really impinged itself on your consciousness. You not only have lots of memories of Russia, your entire life up to and into adulthood was shaped by your experiences -- all in Russia. Your will probably always speak with a slight Russian accent, and think in Russian. Anybody who emigrated to the United States at age twenty would be described as a "Russian-American" -- would have to be. I've written a couple articles such as Patrick Byrne Magrane -- he came over at age 18 or 19, and I described him as "Irish-American". Had to, otherwise you're cheating the reader.
Well, age nine is somewhere in the grey area there, I guess. One difference is agency -- come over at 20, you do so of your own will. Age nine, not. Does it matter? Don't see why it should. YMMD.
Other than that... the woman surely has many memories of Russia. Enough of her life passed in Russia that her perceptions and experiences that shaped her took place there. The questions one finds the answers to as one grows up -- "what is a school? what is a store? what are friends like? what is a country? what places do people live in? what work do grownups do? and so on -- were answered in a Russian context. She lived there until she was almost on the cusp of adolescence. Her language centers became fully formed and set in Russia -- I'll be she still speaks (not sings) with a perceptible Russian accent, although maybe not.
I note the article says "She grew up listening to...famous Russian bards like Vladimir Vysotsky and Bulat Okudzhava". Sounds like a Russian girl to me.
I think when you have a person who was born and partly raised in Russia, lived a quarter of her life in Russia (the quarter where she was being formed as a person in important ways) and whose mother tongue is Russian -- how is it a service to the reader to not tell them right off that she is Russian-American? Does that really aid the reader in quickly getting a handle on this person? I think the burden is on editors who do not want to state this information to make a case for not doing so. 
I'm not very interested in technical issues of current citizenship. We are not the passport office. I'm interested in helping our readers understand the subject. I'm also not much impressed with "well, they can read the whole article and get all the info". Ledes have a purpose. One is to help the reader get a quick handle on the subject of the article without, or before, drilling down. Herostratus (talk) 05:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: An editor has contested and reverted, so fine. We'll go to an RfC. Herostratus (talk) 16:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  She's Russian-American 

message: *Russian-American, my reasoning given in detail below. In summary, she was born in Russia, speaks Russian as her mother tongue, and half her growing-up was in Russia so that a considerable part of who she is was formed in a Russian context. (She's also ethnically Russian, Russian Jewish to be precise). The article quotes her saying "I'm very connected to the [Russian] language and the culture". All this we communicate to the reader by saying "Russian-American". Technicalities of what passport she currently carries have little bearing; the reader wants to know who she is. Herostratus (talk) 16:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, the Manual of Style is explicitly not policy, and we are free to blithely ignore it as the mood takes us.  Secondly, WP:OPENPARA says nothing of the sort: .  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:33, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The best way to solve this is to make a list of sources and see what they use to describe here. Here are some I found
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It would be helpful to look for more. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:34, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: The result of the RfC in the section above (Talk:Regina Spektor#RfC: is Regina Spektor "American" or "Russian-American"?) was:
*5 for Russian-born American
*1 for Russian-born American as an acceptable second alternative to "Russian-American"
*1 for either American, or Russian born American "if important"
*1 for American
Since Legobot delists the RfC and removes the header when 30 days has expired from creation, the RfC is now over. It's clear that the consensus is for Russian-born American by numbers. IMO sources and strength of argument clearly support something like this also, although "strength of argument" is subjective.
Nevertheless, an editor is wanting to keep it as just "American", citing MOS:OPENPARA which is
#Only a guideline, and anyway
#like most rules is hedged about with "generally" and "mostly" and "usually", and anyway
#is ignored a lot for cases like this, from Charlize Theron to thousands of other cases, and anyway
#was addressed and refuted in the RfC.
The editor voted in the RfC (he was the one vote for "American") so they're aware of the RfC, so they don't have the excuse that they don't. So let's not edit war over this. I'm calling on any participants or passerby to defend the integrity of the RfC result, thanks. Herostratus (talk) 14:29, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: OK, I don't understand why there's no mention of Regina's cover of Peter Gabriel's Blood of Eden.
I feel like adding it without consultation, but I wonder what happened here?  Is there something I need to know about her cover which appeared on And I'll Scratch Yours?
Please give feedback on this.  I'd like to hear back by end of August 2021.  If not, I might just add this little piece to the Wiki page.
Haryadoon1 (talk) 05:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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