Talk:Non-fiction

message: * I find this term astonishingly inadequate and weak. With all the brilliant folks who dedicate their working lives to this genre, its criticism and its perfection, isn't there a better term to define what we mean when we say 'non-fiction'?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevewaller (talk • contribs) 01:46, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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message: I know I'm quibbling here, but don't you think that Nonfiction has made it's way into common language now, even though non-fiction was grammatically correct back then? I propose a move. --Anarkial 16:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree! --128.113.228.66 18:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, a re-direct and a text addition, 'or; Nonfiction'.Book M 10:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: This article should never have been renamed without a WP:RM. It appears to be a WP:ENGVAR issue, so should not have been renamed. If you wish to rename it you should file a move request. 65.94.253.16 (talk) 06:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

text: The correct ngram sytanx is overwhemingly "non-fiction" for both American English 2019 and British English 2019 going back 500 years.William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: While 's syntax doesn't presently work (I believe that it did back in 2019), you are incorrect about the syntax, and his findings are essentially correct. I've explained this elsewhere (see Special:Diff/1134172987); I won't ping you again because I've already pinged there. —Alalch E. 10:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your possible correction. Never-the-less, not how it was taught in American schools 50 years ago. Recentism.William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Non-fiction" vs. "Nonfiction" 

message: With all due respect to the discussion above (now 9+ years old), one finds this article in its current form has 26 instances of "nonfiction" compared to 8 instances of the hyphenated form (not counting the title itself, nor the Category name).  Wiktionary and Merriam-Webster both treat the hyphenated form as the "alternative spelling" and the Ngram evidence comparing actual usage is overwhelming. A bold move is in order. — HipLibrarianship talk 06:07, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The correct ngram sytanx is overwhemingly "non-fiction" for both American English 2019 and British English 2019 going back 500 years.William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: While 's syntax doesn't presently work (I believe that it did back in 2019), you are incorrect about the syntax, and his findings are essentially correct. I've explained this elsewhere (see Special:Diff/1134172987); I won't ping you again because I've already pinged there. —Alalch E. 10:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your possible correction. Never-the-less, not how it was taught in American schools 50 years ago. Recentism.William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving to "nonfiction" without hyphen

message: I thought the Chicken Soup for the Soul image was fine for this article... Instead of just removing it, you should've replaced it with a "better suited" one. These pages and images show on Facebook profiles too, you know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.24.219 (talk) 21:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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message: Full disclosure: I am the author of The Puzzle as a Literary Genre (niquette.com/books/sophmag/puz-lit.htm), which has received many thousands of visitors over the past three years.  No surprise.  A simple Internet search on "puzzle" turns up hundreds of millions of 'hits'.  Nevertheless, the Talk Page for the Puzzle entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Puzzle) has shown no interest so far in this proposed new literary genre.  
Permit me to call attention to a distinguished feature as described in the 2010 essay as follows: "Puzzles can be fiction but their solutions must be nonfiction!"  It seems to me that an External Link would be appropriate in this article or some other.  Of course, I shall be pleased to support research on this subject by literary experts. Paul Niquette (talk) 09:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Puzzle as a Literary Genre 

message: The article begins by saying that non-fiction is a subdivision of prose, whose article defines the latter as having sentences and paragraphs. But then the present article goes on to include as non-fiction examples such things as cave art, blueprints, photographs, and diagrams. I think that if these non-prose examples are to be retained, the opening sentence should be broadened so as not to preclude these. 208.50.124.65 (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definitional inconsistency 

message: I felt article Islamic_literature is in bit of neglect so I added my note on talk page there, requesting to take note of Talk:Islamic_literature#Article_review. If possible requesting copy edit support. Suggestions for suitable reference sources at  Talk:Islamic_literature is also welcome. 
Posting message here too for neutrality sake
Thanks and greetings
Bookku (talk) 07:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting wider attention

message: I have just put the last but one sentence in the lead into hidden text, as it does not make sense to me: "(for example,. Most literature  is a form of nonfiction, providing information and analysis about works of fiction." - Of course, if somebody wants to improve its meaning, they are perfectly welcome to put it back in an intelligible way. Munfarid1 (talk) 14:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  An unintelligble sentence in the lead is now hidden 

message: What should the title of this article be? "Nonfiction" or "Non-fiction"? Οἶδα (talk) 07:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if the consensus is that we keep the categories at "non-fiction" then we will next need a RM to discuss moving this page back to its long-standing title. I'm not sure there has ever been a consensus supporting that move. Of those first two replies one says it is ENGVAR, one says it is not. Let's wait and see how the CfD developes. Might be sensible to alert relevant Wikiprojects.   PamD 09:06, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright. Thanks for the response! Οἶδα (talk) 15:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There are only two possibilities here: Nonfiction and Non-fiction. Someone who believes that the title should be Non-fiction should propose the move as long as they believe there is a realistic chance of success. They would then open the discusion with arguments for why Non-fiction is a better title, which is the right way to conduct an RM. —Alalch E. 15:41, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC about the title of the article