Talk:Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor

message: His unusual 'jawline' can be seen as 'subnasal prognasty' which is considered an African feature. Leopold was described by Swinburne as 'A short, hale black man.' He was probably a African European of which there were many, and from the Renaissance formed a noble elite. The confusion about the looks of the Habsburg comes from falsified portraits which show his parents, siblings and son as white's.
*This is certainly new infomation to me.  If you can provide a reference for it, fine,  but I've never read anything suggesting the Habsburgs had close African ancestry in the 17th and 18th century.  As an example Charles II of England was often described as 'black' by contemporaries, but there's no suggestion he had close African ancestry. Lec CRP1 19:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: She was his niece and his cousin. His niece, that's clear, because her mother Maria Anna of Spain was a sister to Leopold. 
Margaret Theresa "Greta" also was the cousin to her husband, because Leopold's mother (Gretas ount) was the mother of Philip IV of Spain. 
I  know, that that relationship was complicated. ;) --AndreaMimi (talk) 11:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, you made a mistake.  They were cousins because Leopold's mother was a sister of Philip IV, no?  I think "niece" is the appropriate moniker, though, unless we want to go into detail. john k (talk) 16:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The relationships are quite interesting but complex. It should be noted that the closest relationship is usually the one to describe how two people are related. Charles 18:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. john k (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It is not true that Leopold's mother was Philip IV's mother, as you stated, although I assume this is not what you meant.  Beyond that, all royals have multiple relationships to one another.  Since Margaret Theresa was Leopold's niece, that means their daughter Maria Antonia was also Leopold's grand-niece.  And his first cousin, once removed.  Should we say "Maria Antonia was the daughter, grand-niece, and first cousin once removed of Emperor Leopold I"? john k (talk) 23:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I will add that Margaret Theresa was her own second cousin once removed.  Should we mention that in her article?  john k (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I believe the listing of six children in the text is erroneous, Spielman's biography of Leopold I lists Ferdinand Wenzel (Sept. 1667-1668), Maria Antonia (1669-1692), Johann Leopold (1670), and Maria Anna Antonia (1672). Since they were married in 1666 and Margareta died in March 1673 she could scarcely have birthed more children than those four. To get six, two of the births would have been twins in which one was stillborn and I have never seen any mention of that anywhere.Talshiarr (talk) 03:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Margaret Theresa 

message: The first part of this item does not display correctly: part of the text and accompanying illustrations are obscured.  Please can this be fixed.Geoff Powers (talk) 15:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
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