Talk:James Brooke

message: Hello, maveric149. Thanks for your help making the new page conform to the proper look and feel.
I changed "was an Indian of English descent" to "was born in India to English parents". Saying he "was an Indian" implies something to me that is not the case since he wasn't an Indian ethnically or by citizenship.
I also just found your message from back when I first discovered wikipedia in August. Thanks for the welcome and encouragement. :)
Tom
:Yep. Your wording is better. Your welcome. :) --mav
Anglo-Indian would be a better term to describe British citizens born and raised or living in India for extended periods.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.195.70 (talk) 18:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Topics

message: There seems to be some confusion on James Brooke's birthplace with some people giving an Indian birtplace.  The 1911 Britanicca gives Coome Grove, near Bath as his birthplace.  Could anyone wanting to change the place of birth please provide a reference?  --Roisterer 22:15, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brooke's birtplace

message: The article mentions a scandal but doesn't provide any details. It may have been mentioned in my Malaysian history but I can't remember. It would be good if someone can provide details Nil Einne 12:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scandal 

message: I believe this article should be move, in line with Wikipedia standards, to Sir James Brooke, Rajah of Sarawak.  Comments appreciated.--Couter-revolutionary 22:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The subject of the article was a recognised monarch (albeit of a particularly bizarre, and short lived, monarchy). --SandyDancer 02:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right.  It should be moved to James of Sarawak, any other suggestions?--Counter-revolutionary 10:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I liked your original suggestion more. "James of Sarawak" is not commonly used by academicians when describing Brooke.– Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 19:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: I noticed that the text appended below, posted on August 5th of this year, has been largely deleted, in favor of a homily on the lack of perceptivity of modern observers when faced with our quaint forefathers. Unless specific objections are raised to the sources on which this material is based, I do not see how it can be blocked from the article, nor do I see it as within our rights to preach here against modern gender studies work. Throughout his life, Brooke's principal emotional bonds were with adolescent boys, while he exhibited a total lack of interest in women. Among his more notable relationships with boys was the one with Badruddin, a Sarawak prince, of whom he wrote, "my love for him was deeper than anyone I knew." Later, in 1848, Brooke fell in love with Charles Grant (grandson of the seventh Earl of Elgin), who had just been recruited, being sixteen at the time. His love was reciprocated by the boy.Empire and Sexuality: The British Experience, Ronald Hyam; pp.44-45WALKER, J.H., This peculiar acuteness of feeling: James Brooke and the enactment of desire, Borneo Research Bulletin, vol 29 (1998) pp 148- 189
Haiduc 11:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was common at the time for people in Brooke's situation to take a common law 'native' wife, a practice which although not kept secret, would likely be frowned upon by genteel society, hence any such wife is not likely to be mentioned in many sources. For many a proper legal marriage recognized by both British and local societies was not possible due to the differing laws, religions, local customs, etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.10.189 (talk) 08:25, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  His documented emotional involvements with boys to the exclusion of relationships with women 

message: What was his nationality, if not British he wouldn't be allowed to use the prefix sir but could use post nominals.--Counter-revolutionary (talk) 22:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Governor of Labuan and British Counsel General of Borneo is not a British citizen? – Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 09:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The question was really aimed more at his successors.  Could they possibly have been British and Christian? --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 19:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Brooke would have been a British subject as would have been any of his successors born before Independence.  The local 'natives' would have had their own local Sarawakian citizenship while within Sarawak itself but would likely have been classed as British Subjects when travelling abroad as they would be entitled to the protection of The Crown and it is unlikely a small state like Sarawak would have had its own passport-issuing office.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.10.189 (talk) 08:31, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: British citizen?

message: There is really no need for this?  Anyone agree? --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article presently states that he "exhibited a total lack of interest in women".  In spite of this he managed to sire a son.  I think that there must have been at least some interest in women, but that of course does not preclude the LGBT label. Noel S McFerran (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course he was interested in women, he married the Sultan of Brunei's daughter!  Besides, I think the LGBT thing a bit OTT. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 22:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't think he did have a son - read through the article.  His successor was his sister's son. His lack of interest in women James Brooke (1803) had a son called Joseph Hunt Brooke. He married Eliza Ann Ranger and was the father of Laura Mary Brooke born 13/2/1857 who married Alfred Mark Dorman 13/10/1878 at Elham, Hythe Kent.   plus his attraction to adolescents would argue for the LGBT cat and project. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article states that he had a son, but the only proof offered is the British census showing an individual of the right name; there is no reference to James acknowledging him.  The article further states that he may have married a Muslim princess, but no proof is offered at all. The relationships with the boys are sourced, in that the historians cited have written about them. BrainyBabe (talk) 06:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "LGBT"

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thread_title: References

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