Talk:The Gay Science

message: The title of the book given by Nietzsche was originally Gaia Scienza. It was the title on Italian.
A list of translations of the book would be helpful. (is there a turkish translation?)
The link to the English version of The Gay Science is directed to an unavailable page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.164.210.146 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: When thinking about the title, it might be useful to refer to the section "On those who are sublime" in Thus Spake Zarathustra, Second Part. There, Nietzsche wrote metaphorically: "Still is the bottom of my sea: who would guess that it harbors sportive monsters? Imperturbable is my depth, but it sparkles with swimming riddles and laughter."  This indicates that Nietzsche wanted profound knowledge to be accompanied by fun and gaiety. He opposed deep thinkers who were "…decked out with ugly truths…" but were gloomy and had "…not learned laughter… ." Nietzsche's response to his knowledge and understanding of the horrors of life and death was dancing laughter and a gay science.Lestrade 16:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Faith in humanity? The title basically means that Nietzsche had knowledge (science) of life's meaninglessness and of the finality of death, yet he could be light-hearted and even happy. Knowledge, itself, was a source of pleasure for him. Lestrade (talk) 21:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nietzsche didn't use the word "gay" -- it's Kaufman's translation.  Therefore, this sentence is actually wrong and I suggest just taking it out entirely. Philosophygeek (talk) 06:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, the title is not only misleading but simply wrong. "The joyful science" would be right, or just "The gayan science". Maybe Kaufmann was convinced that Nietzsche was gay (I'm not going to judge this stupid idea, because it's well known that he loved women, although due to his diseases it wasn't easy for him to get one). A question: Is this misleading title maybe the reason why this book isn't read too much in the English-speaking world? It should be read more, because many English speaking scientists nowadays still make some of the methodical error Nietzsche wrote about. --178.197.227.68 (talk) 14:43, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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message: Isn't this a copyright violation?  It's the exact text from Kaufman's translation of The Gay Science.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philosophygeek (talk • contribs) 06:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Excerpts are fair use. Citing even a few paragraphs is legal, let alone less than 20 words. <eleland/talkedits> 02:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section 125 

message: Why does this link to a page about biology? There are other scientific approaches besides biological ones that have studied homosexuality.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.172.16 (talk) 08:41, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This book has nothing to do with homosexuality. Nothing at all, it's just a wrong - and stupid - translation. You should read it...every scientist should. --178.197.227.68 (talk) 14:49, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation link

message: I removed the link to Biology/Sexual Orientation because in this case "Gay" is not synonymous with homosexuality. The link makes no sense in this context. Ericqwerty (talk) 22:08, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Link 

message: But you have to expand it! --188.67.222.111 (talk) 10:37, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very nice work Wikipedians 

message: The section stating, that aphorism 108. contained the first mentioning of the famous quote "god is dead" is inaccurate (i.e. wrong). First time the metaphor of a "dead god" is used/evaluated/tested out was in Aphorism 84. ("The Prisoners") of "Der Wanderer und sein Schatten" (addendum to "Menschliches, Allzumenschliches", from the year 1880 (!)), which apparently is older (judging by release) than this phrase about Buddha; it also shows, that it gravitates around christian believe much more (and for a longer time) than around Buddha's apotheosis, since the "Sohn des Gefängniswärters" (son of the jailer? - prison guard? - officer? - warder?) obviously symbolizes Jesus, the self-acclaimed "son of god"; the [anti]christian emphasis can also to be Witnessed in aphorism 125. ("Der Tolle Mensch" (the madman)) of this book, the most classical/typical/iconic mentioning of said idea ("god is dead");
btw.: the mentioning of said aphorism 125 in said paragraph of this side is rather meaningless, dull, uninformative...
so: cut that out along with the wrong (b/c of contradicting chronology) information maybe?
- or Rephrase the entire paragraph along the line of "one of the most important mentionings of the famous concept "god is dead", also happens to be found in this book, most of all in Aph. 125., but Aph. 108. already plays with that idea also; though the first appearance/earliest mentioning of the concept itself should be found in Aph. 84 from "Der Wanderer...", published in 1880", if you want to save the flawed piece of information. - but then again, work in a mentioning of the bigger emphasis on christian believe, please; obviously that was of much greater importance for the Author of "The Antichrist"!
Oh, yes: I am aware that it states "the famous formulation" (in the criticized paragraph), not the "idea" in and of itself; but that's misleading, to say the least, given the information above; it both underlines the real chronology (/history/development) of the inherent idea/metaphor, and the first and most important target of that thought(/satire). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.52.207.84 (talk • contribs) 06:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  earlier death 

message: The article needs to list the translations of this book.Flaviusvulso (talk) 03:55, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: English Translations

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message: The translated title of 'Die fröhliche Wissenschaft" as 'The Gay Science' is ridiculous for obvious  reasons and rejected by the academic community, in the UK and Commonwealth at least.  It has nothing to do with homosexuality.  A better translation would be 'The Merry Science', which is how 'fröhlich' is usually translated. 82.43.184.91 (talk) 17:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of 'fröhlich'