Talk:1632 series/Archive 1

message: ;Archived
:This stuff was stale, and I kept the last section in the current talk when archiving. // <B>Fra</B>nkB 06:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

message: Slush is a common term in the (SF) publishing industry for manuscripts sent to publishers on speculation, that is, without the publisher's prior request for that particular manuscript.  While the term is used on Baen's Bar slightly differently to mean unpublished manuscripts posted for review by barflies (with the understanding that the publisher never sees them), I don't see how that term is unique to the 1632-verse. AJK 18:17, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed "slush".  HFuruseth 17:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Business

message: But I have been a leader for a long while going back to boy scouts, mixed with 30 yrs in the USNR, so I am 'strongly suggesting' <g> we put things in gear collectively, working together as a group... probably on a project basis as well, as we almost certainly need more bodies typing—  just think of the size of the character list series wide... It boggles the mind. No one can do that much work in volunteer time, unless it's by dividing things like (1st drafts—offline) into groups of little efforts, then combining them.
*After sticking my foot in my mouth over at talk:1632 (novel) which was apparently mysteriously unlinked to this when I first found it, I'd like to alert you all that I'm maklng an effort to organize this whole effort with suggestions and questions and such over at Talk:1632 (novel) which needs to address the same issues aa are currently in this article... How best to divide up a very large project, and how to organize and arrange any an all of it. I've posted a couple of ideas over there. Asked a couple of questions. etc. 
*Much of the discussions I hope will ensue really belong over here or on a projects page, which is my next item of research.  Does one already exist? If not, how to organize same, as this effort will only grow larger as Baen keeps adding books frenically in response to sales.
::So please drop in and weigh in with constructive ideas and help.
It's long past time (5 years) for someone to make a decent stab at organizing it for both the work that needs done now, and that which will be forthcoming soon.
*I've generated a letter emailed to Jim Baen and Eric Flint regarding copyrighted materials permissions, et. al.; the good news is Eric was up to his ears in writing against a deadline (my suspicion is the part of the Baltic War he is doing, as David Weber has scheduled his write in the same collaboration for early-to-mid summer (per webers site). The bad news is he asked for more time to consider it (Mid-April). I suspect it's also for time to look over our output. 
What do you say we make him happy?  I personally owe him for many a delighted hour of reading. It strikes me that this is a small way to repay the joy (and tears) he's evoked in me. How about you?
::<B>Fra</B>nkB 03:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have for many months supported the idea of attracting more Barflies to work on 163x section on Wiki, so I am glad to see some activity. Two notes: :Category:163x was short and thus user-friendly, :1632-163x alternate history series is much less so (and still red) - I'd like to restore the old category. Also, 1632-163x series underlying history is another bad name, and looking at it I think it should be moved from mainspace to your userspace (or possibly project space) - to me it looks a lot like a good candidate for deletion in its current state.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I'm not Trying to Take Over

message: I was just trying to figure out how to mobilize more editors as mentioned above by myself and user: Piotrus. The obvious corrallary to category is a users contributing to sort of project. So I'm proposing we do that with ourselves as soon as possible. A project page like WP:NA can then be on all our watch lists.  Piotrus has the same goal, and I guess one avenue would be to post a notice on Baen's Bar that we're organizing such, and would like some help.  Wouldn't do to bring Wikipedia to the attention of that crew either.  But I believe that is premature until and unless we can put a better foot forward by expanding what we have now concurrent with real life, of course, something I ignored last evening by pulling an all nighter.  (Frustrated: after a long system malfunction cost me much of edits Wedsnesday)  
We should also get a notice out on the Village Pump; but the time to do that would be after building the project infrastructure... I'd guess there is a boilerplate somewhere.  Can we have a volunteer to run that down and then start a projects page here: Talk:1632_series/Project_Page.  Then we can all get together in it and it's talk, before formalizing the project to the various communities (above and below).
Volunteer to be the expert on Projects Pages (Sign Here): ?
Another need would be for someone to make a list of potentially interested editors we can 'Spam' a project invitation to once we're rolling along. Lets use:  talk:1632_series/163x_Project_Invitees_List .  We'll all see we're moving together as the redlinks disappear.
Volunteer(s) to editor recruiting subproject effort: (Sign Here): ?
===Project Title Debate===
The first order of business would be a project title.  title=Category:WikiProjects&from=0 Seems to indicate  that a name like my category change and the tentative 1632-163x series underlying history is more appropo than a bare uncomnunicative 'Assiti shards series Universe'project, though I think that ought to be a whole different project. The 1632 timeline is a well defined set, whereas the Assiti shards stuff is currently more tentative than real. I'd thought the current article there (Assiti shards) was ambitious and just a bit premature, but it certainly has some potential.
This is a list of current categories that should be enclosed within most our articles one way or another. Some of them may need a pipe trick to my mind as I compose this. Those that should be so modified, will be tagged with the appropriate text (in a later edit after some expermenting).  
*The whole purpose of categories is to make it easy for a reader to browse and check out possible topics of interest. The more, the better as they can browse the tree and browse back up a different branch to your favorite article. 
::About the new Cat name... and red links.
To user user: Piotrus... he did move it, but he's British and better at language than I, so he modified the name!
I've composed an email with cites as to why he should change to match the syntax used in the articles.  If he won't budge, It's a matter of common useage and lexicon, so I'll get someone else to move the name to the more colloquially accepted  alternate history. Hot Tip: Follow that link for a precise on the distinction and useage, also: misnomer. The first is worth a read in total.  
Someone want to volunteer to update it with something about Flint?
Sign up here:  ?
===Project Categories List (2) ===
Deleted this second listing as redundant; Click: 1632 series#Project Categories List (1)
tidying up <B>Fra</B>nkB 01:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Proposal 

message: Deleted this second listing as redundant; Click: 1632 series#Project Categories List (1)
tidying up <B>Fra</B>nkB 01:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Project Categories List (2) 

message: re:*If you want to attract 163x-fans, check who edited the article in the past and inform them about your idea, if you want to seek category specialists, try Wikipedia talk:Category and such. I think that Category:1632 series is the best solution, no need for inclusion of '163x' (which I invented, as far as I know :>) or 'alt-hist' parts (just as Star Trek does not include Star Trek sci-fi or such).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: <B>Fra</B>nkB 18:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Xpost from [[user talk: Piotrus]]

message: FYI: This bears on the above minor spate on categorization. This Category:1632-163x alternative-history series is now DEAD, DEAD, Dead— replaced by the title :Category:1632 series.  
*Apparently the category 'polizia' didn't like the long named version and have used AWB to update these articles across the board like this example.  <B>Fra</B>nkB 18:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Issue Revisited-Standards Applied