Talk:Murder of Kelsey Smith

message: Could end up being a notable case, but it would make sense for anyone revising the article, to spell disappearance correctly, and move it to Kelsey Smith.ǂ---Sturmde 00:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disappearance 

message: While many people do go missing every day, not all of them get a 20-minute segment on Fox News (which I was watching last night, purely for comedic value, I swear!). I logged on to the Wiki to see if she had an article, and she did. While I hadn't heard of her until I watched the "special" news last night, it does seem like this is a nationally recognized name. 
However, I will not oppose a deletion, as a Google search for "Kelsey Smith" doesn't even turn up with this Kelsey Smith as the first entry, and many of the other entries there are not about this Kelsey Smith. (I know that Google searches aren't the end-all-be-all of notability criteria, but come on.) –King Bee (τ • γ) 13:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's nice to know you watch news specials about kidnapped, murdered teenagers for comedic value. Talmage 08:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think (hope) it was the Fox News that was for comedic value, not the murdered woman.71.63.119.49 02:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not really one of the criteria, but I use it kind of as a litmus test just to see what's going on. I also don't count that news article as the first link, because that is a "Google News" link, not a regular website link. –King Bee (τ • γ) 15:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand what you're saying, but I don't believe the average Google user makes a distinction between a 'Google News' link and a regular search link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.11.254 (talk • contribs) 
Now that I've remembered my login, perhaps my objection to deletion will carry more weight. This case has received massive national media attention in the past four days, granting it notability above and beyond other missing persons cases, similar to previously nationally discussed cases such as JonBenet Ramsey or Polly Klass. Discolando 16:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable? 

message: KSHB-TV confirmed the body is that of Kelsey Smith, I cannot cite my source as their website is being hammered at the moment. If you need to confirm my edit please listen to there livestream via Windows Media Player: http://mfile.akamai.com/14326/live/reflector:50320.asx?prop=n AcePuppy 20:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not too much like the Laci Peterson case because Scott Peterson  is still in prison. But someone has already added this tragic case to Missing white woman syndrome. Edison 23:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death: 

message: * Renamed Timeline to overview (a timeline is not nessisarry at this point)
* added small changes
* suggestions 
Should we add a photo of the "suspect" who im pretty sure is the guy they've arrested in her murder. or should we hold off?
Does the Deletion notice still need to be there?  this is gonna be notable for a while.
Hold off. If you'd like to create an article about the suspect and link to it, that would be fine.--24.2.18.104 05:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reformating 

message: This has been sufficiently fleshed out, and since I have read no further requests for deletion, I am removing the deletion notice immediately. 75.61.11.254 18:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Deletion Notice 

message: * move from Kelsey Smith dissappearance to simply Kelsey smith
* combine the body found and Death headings in to 1
* the guys hearing is over right now, it will be some good updating.
* any one else have suggestions?--Ksharpe126 00:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the word "disappearance" should be removed from the title. Also, if I can figure out how to do so, I will place a "current events" tag.  (JosephASpadaro 20:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: If anyone wants to start an article on the suspect, Edwin R. Hall, this link may give you a good start. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/08/missing.teen.ap/index.html  CNN has come out with details of his possible MySpace page and has given some other details. AcePuppy 15:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edwin R. Hall 

message: Please - it looks incredibly asinine for the deletion notice to remain on this article, especially since there isn't a similar notice on the Edwin R. Hall page. There is no sane reason for this article to ever be deleted. 75.61.11.254 17:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just relax. The discussion is still ongoing, and will be for just a bit longer. Then, an administrator will come in and assess the result of the discussion. Regardless of the outcome, there will no longer be an AfD template on the article. –King Bee (τ • γ) 13:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's gone now. The result was no consensus. --Coredesat 01:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the Deletion Notice! 

message: I have changed the name from "Disappearance" to "murder". Mods please change if you feel this is not cause-worthy. Since she is now considered dead and not missing. AcePuppy 15:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kelsey Smith "Disapperance" 

message: It was nearly 3 to 1 in favor of keeping.  How is that no consensus?  If it could override a presidential veto, there's a consensus. Talmage 02:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Over half of the keep arguments referenced other articles or similar cases. Inclusion is not an indicator of notability. --Coredesat 04:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So if this page was worthy of deletion, why not delete Laci Peterson? Laci was not notable except for her death and subsequent media attention. This case is a carbon copy, so far. 75.61.11.254 16:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that's the point.  The point is there was consensus, unless consensus means "unanimous".  I think around 70% is a consensus. Talmage 18:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just for the record - this issue was bothering me, so I went back to the debate and actually (very quickly) counted the votes.  Dismissing the one neutral vote, there were 34 Keep and 17 Delete votes.  So, that is exactly a 2-to-1 ratio in favor of Keep.  Thus, the percentage was 2/3 Keep (67%) and 1/3 Delete (33%).  Whether or not that qualifies as "consensus," I am not sure.  But I did want to present the raw data.  Thanks.  (JosephASpadaro 23:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Consensus - Are You Kidding Me? 

message: why was it taken down?
--Ksharpe126 00:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture was uploaded with no source information and no license information. –King Bee (τ • γ) 11:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Since Edwin has plead guilty to all charges, I changed the title from suspect to Murderer.  I also cited a reference and added information from that reference.  If murderer is too harsh, feel free to change it to something else, but he's no longer a suspect. 64.136.192.62 (talk) 20:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murderer 

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