Talk:Jagadish Chandra Bose

message: Please discuss here Wikipedia:Duplicate_articles#J, Alren 15:59, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The first name should be spelt correctly in the title as "Jagadish" and not "Jagdish".
*Agree and done. Arman (Talk) 06:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spellings

message: Could this "Sir" title prefix be properly wikified, please? Perhaps Sir#Formal styling?, or Knight#Becoming a knight, or Knight#Honorific orders, or British_honours_system#Indian_Orders? TIA.
Jerome Potts 06:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: uh... done. Order of the British Empire. Jerome Potts 06:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I changed two occurrences of 'Sir Bose' to 'Sir Jagadish'. In some English dialects the (improper) use of 'Sir Bose' would convey a slight insult, which I presume was not intended. Even though this occurs within a quotation, unless there is good reason to stick strictly to the original it seems rather more genteel to use the correct form of address. Davy p 00:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that a quotation, assuming it is accurate, should be left alone. After all, the convention on the proper usage of "Sir", as documented in Sir#Formal styling, is also subject to evolving; perhaps the quoted gentleman had his own idea on how that title should be used. Jerome Potts 19:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at his 1904 patent he clearly spells his own name Jagadis Chunder Bose. We should consider normalizing the spelling and abandoning the westernized spelling. Patent here: http://www.geocities.com/mumukshu/jcbosepatent.pdf 68.80.51.125 (talk) 03:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sir" 

message: I believe IEEE published a major reassessment of Bose with the conclusion that his work defintiely was prior to that of Marconi. I will try to get that reference. Meanwhile, here is something related: http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.html
DaveBorman 19:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reassessment of Bose

message: I have made a few changes in the infobox consistent with Wikipedia:Don't overuse flags. Also moved the available image inside the infobox. These changes make this article consistent with other articles e.g. featured article on Rabindranath Tagore. These edits were reverted without any explanation once. So, I request anyone, not agreeing with the changes, to please discuss concerns here.
::Please read "Don't Overuse flags" once more . And also from that - "Do not rewrite history
::Flags should not be used to misrepresent the nationality of a historical figure, event, object, ... " -Bharatveer 08:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, if your concern is only about flags, then please change the flags only, why are you moving the image down? Isn't the image better placed inside the infobox, right at the beginning of article? For almost all featured biography articles, the best available image has been used inside the infobox. Secondly, Bose was legally a citizen of British India. He was born as a British Indian and he died as such. Claiming him either Indian or Bangladeshi is indeed an attempt to rewrite history. So, I am changing back nationality and image positioning. However, this time I'm not using any flags. Arman Aziz 09:19, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in infobox; please don't revert without discussion 

message: This article needs a lot of improvement to reach GA. At the moment, it has prose, referencing and POV/peacock/weasel issues
*There are many sentences which have quite major problems: "female students were not accepted in the college then" and "the failure of some of the indigenous ventures of his father had failed" and "repaying the father's debts" should be " repaying the debts of Bose's father" and "She went to Madras in 1882 on Bengal government scholarship". That's a sample from the short marriage paragraph. "In 1887, he was married to Abala" - > "In 1887, he married Abala" 
*Wavelength should be one word 
*Dates are usually wikilinked 
*"close to octaves of visible light" - why is this there? 5mm = 5,000,000 nm. The longest visible light is about 700nm, about 7000 times shorter. 2^13=8192, so it is about 13 octaves away, so the wording "close" does not appear accurate 
*"By the end of 1895, Bose ranked high among Hertz’s successors" - peacock/weasel term. What is this ranking in terms of? 
*Some POVs are not attributed to the commentator, but simply reproduced, as though it was WP's POV "J.C. Bose was at least this much ahead of his time" .The article some times uses "J.C. Bose" and sometimes just Bose. Consistency is required."It appears that Bose's demonstration of remote wireless signalling has priority over Marconi" needs attribution to a commentator
*Many peacock terms. "dire straits" and "the failure of some of the indigenous ventures of his father" - these need to be spelt out with examples, rather than just asserting and generalising.
*POV imported directly from books "Nobody expected to be favoured with a research laboratory or research grant. Bose was not a person to quarrel with circumstances but confronted them and dominated over them." - examples of what he did is better than asserting that he overcame a lot.
*"After his daily grind, which he of course performed with great conscientiousness, he carried out his research far into the night, in a small room in his college." - not attributed
*"He was also known as an excellent teacher who believed in the use of classroom demonstrations" - source required.
*"his lofty character" is stated as hard fact
*Contractions need to be eliminated
*Assertion about father of Bengali Sci fi not sourced
*In the lead, the view of one Dr. Sen is taken to speak for all scholars
*"With remarkable sense of self respect and national pride he decided on a new form of protest." - POv commentary
*"The 'CP theory', proposed by Canny in 1995, validates this skepticism" - A theory cannot validate another theory. Only experiments can
*Lower half of the article is not sourced
*one of hte problems is that a large part of the article, especially the qualitative info, is sourced to the "Ministry of Information" of India which is a PR department and would talk up the achievements. One of the effects is that "patriotic POV" is being imported into the article. This is most evident the paragraphs cited to 7 and 11, which have many sweeping peacock statements praising his character. Bose is very famous and a lot has been written about him from the scientific community worldwide. At the moment the article is dominated by Indian/Bengali lobby group sources and the article is verging into hagiography.
*Publications and references need to be cleaned up and formatted consistently.
Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 05:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: He knew that long waves were advantageous because of their great penetrative power but realised their disadvantages for studying the light like-properties of those electric waves.
This directly goes against the common scientific understanding that shorter waves have greater penetrative power, while long waves travel longer distances.
This phenomena is used for doctor's x-rays and is stated Ian's Hickson's Electromagnetic Spectrum website http://academia.hixie.ch/bath/em/home.html
if for some reason my understanding of the penetrating power of waves is incorrect. I would like to see a correction in the langauged used to describe "greater penetrative power" of the "long waves".
:I agree to this observation. I believe author intended to refer to the greater carrying power of long wave-length, not their penetrative power. I have removed the questionable statement about long waves having greater penetrative power from the article. Arman (Talk) 05:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the section on his contribution's to radio, the last sentence of the second paragraph states that long waves have a greater penetrative power 

message: Hi All,
I have noticed that in the "God Is (Spiritual Message)" delivered by Mahatma Gandhi in London, 1931,
the following sentence appears:
"thanks to the marvelous researches of Sir J. C. Bose it can now be proved that even matter is life"
With my limited knowledge I couldn't find out what research the line was refering to.
However, I think it could be relevant (as well as extremely interesting!) if someone were able to clarify
this point in this page.
Thank you!
                Maybe this is what you're looking for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagadish_Chandra_Bose#Study_of_metal_fatigue_and_cell_response  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.248.45.78 (talk) 16:39, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  J. C. Bose and Gandhi 

message: Bose's radio wave works was one year after Nikola Tesla made the first public demonstration of radio communication in 1893. See "Nikola Tesla, 1856 - 1943". IEEE History Center, IEEE, 2003. (cf., In a lecture-demonstration given in St. Louis in [1893] - two years before Marconi's first experiments - Tesla also predicted wireless communication; the apparatus that he employed contained all the elements of spark and continuous wave that were incorporated into radio transmitters before the advent of the vacuum tube.) DO NOT removed this as it is a POV edit to do so. Thank you. J. D. Redding 00:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nikola Tesla

message: Bose is linked to from Nine Unknown Men, an odd piece of Theosophical lore. There are claims made that Bose believed in the legend, but I can't find a reliable source for it. Can anyone confirm or deny this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strangething (talk • contribs) 17:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legend of the Nine Unknown Men 

message: I have reverted a couple of Bangladeshi nationalist changes. Calling Bose "Bangladeshi" is an anachronism; he died long before Bangladesh was founded. At Bose's time he was unquestionably British Indian. On the other hand, his nationality shouldn't be given as "Indian" either; that links to the modern Republic of India, which is also an anachronism.
In the process, I also reverted the mention of two of his books in the lead. Since we do not mention anything about those books (except their titles) in the article proper, they are not prominent enough for the lead, which should be a summary of the article. Huon (talk) 19:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There are still all kinds of strange edits to Bose's "nationality". He's clearly not Bangladeshi because he died long before Bangladesh even existed. He's also not "Indian" if we link to either India or Indian people (who that article defines as "citizens of India") because the India article deals with the Republic of India which also didn't exist in Bose's time. Describing Bose as "Bengali" and linking to  Bengali people seems both correct and uncontroversial to me. The nationality in the infobox should be "British Indian" and link to the article on the British Raj because that's the state where he was born and lived for most of his life. Huon (talk) 17:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert of nationalism and books 

message: The Brittanica, an authoritative source clearly identifies Bose as Indian, and so do a number of reliable sources mentioned by users above. The heading line should mention Indian, with perhaps a link to British India instead of current day Republic of India. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 23:05, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not surprisingly you have failed to notice the sources which describe him as Bangladeshi, yet he can't be termed as a Bangladeshi, neither as an Indian. Intros of biography articles usually starts with the ethnicity. Moreover, there was nothing like "Indian Bengali" during Bose's time.--Zayeem  (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where are the reliable references that refer to him as Bangladeshi ? I can bring up hundreds of newspaper/magazine article identifying him as Indian. This is Brittanica we are talking about here.I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 03:18, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia is a repository of knowledge, not a venue of new scholarship 

message: Birthplace changed with ref from Britannica per User_talk:Ctg4Rahat/Archive_3#Birthplace_of_Acharya_Jadadish_Chandra_Bose - Rahat (Talk * Contributions) 06:58, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: A citizen of undivided India is referred to as Indian, just in the same way as Rabindranath Tagore is referred to as "Indian" nobel laureate.
:Arguably yes, but the Indian people article explicitly says it's about the people of "India", ie the Republic of India, not Undivided India or British India. Claiming that Bose is "Indian" in that sense obviously is an anachronism. Possible solutions are either calling him "Bengali", which is about the ethnicity, not citizenship, or calling him "Indian" with an appropriate link target. Personally I prefer the former approach and think the Bengali people article provides more information relevant to Bose than either the British India article or the one on the citizens of the Republic of India. Huon (talk) 10:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is the apprehension and we have to stick to being politically correct, link it to citizen of British India while at the same time referring to him as Indian. All British newspapers and articles referred to the British India as "India" including the princely states. What would you call someone who was born in one of the princely states? Technically they were not even a part of British India. It has been amply discussed above that wikipedia is not a creator of new knowledge but a repository of existing knowledge. All references to Bose in any credible source, including the Britannica encyclopedic article refer to him as "Indian physicist". Bose himself identified as Indian and spent the major part of his career teaching and working in what is present day India. Also all other articles in wikipedia concerning biographies of people born in British period refer to them as Indians. I don't see any reason why people are hell bent over describing him as "Bengali" here specially in this article. I have now marked him as "Indian" while removing the link to "Indian people" which is the most appropriate thing to do. -- Sabujeinstein (talk) 05:15, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless I am missing something, the plurality of opinion in all the talk sections on "Indian?" is to link British India, "country where the person was a citizen" per WP:OPENPARAGRAPH. Piping "Indian ---> "British India" runs against WP:EGG, hidden meaning in the link that is actually trying to be avoided here and "British India" explains the situation to the reader without having to following the link. Edited article accordingly. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 17:12, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The article currently gives Bose's "nationality" as "British Indian". That article is about "citizens of the United Kingdom whose ancestral roots lie in India", not the right topic for Bose. I'll instead use "citizenship" instead of "nationality" (which is a much more specific term especially in this context where "nation" is difficult) and link to the British Raj as opposed to British India which redirects to the Presidencies and provinces of British India. If someone thinks the province details make a more reasonable target for Bose's citizenship I would disagree but not object too much. Huon (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Bengali or Indian?

message: I don't see much about his personal life, only 'early life' as it pertains to scientific education. Would you please add more about his personal life, beliefs, and death? I am interested in seeing the religious beliefs of accomplished individuals. -- Newagelink (talk) 04:19, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life? 

message: He was born in India, not in Bangladesh. As a matter of fact, there is no Bangladesh in 1858. Sumaprasanth (talk) 06:09, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox and article correctly say "British India (now Bangladesh)". Materialscientist (talk) 06:37, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2016 

message: When the nationality of Muhamad Ali Jinnah who is also born in British India written as Pakistani, why can't we have Bose's nationality as "Indian". Jinnah and many leaders who are born in so called "British India" are written as Pakistani in history, and Gandhi and many leaders who are born in the same "British India" are called Indians in history, why can't we call Bose an Indian? why is this discrimination shown  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.141.31.171 (talk) 14:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: In the Science Fiction section, these three hyperlinks point to pages that don't exist:
* Niruddesher Kahini
* Abyakta
* Palatak Tuphan
John Clinton Bradley (talk) 15:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyperlinks to Pages That Don't Exist 

message: There are many sources that talk about Bose's contributions to plant science, but few bother to mention that none of it seems at all credible.  This sentence in the article  references a Nature paper (Wildon et al.) that doesn't cite or even mention Bose.  Wildon et al. is not experimental proof of Bose's claims, this article doesn't even make it clear what Bose's claims precisely were.  Any claims I've read from Bose do not seem to align with our basic understanding of plant biology today.  Hopefully there is a good review out there that debunks some of Bose's apparent claims; this should be a subsection.Maneesh (talk) 22:16, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Validity of Biophysics Results 

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message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleve_Backster#Findings
After going through various links and sources I found that Jagadish Chandra Bose did not hypothesize that Plant feel pain or understand affections. These are the words of Cleve Backster.
His work was inspired by Dr Jagdish Chandra Bose as his personal claim.
Its seems fellow wikipedians who added this must have gotten confused by the article cited above.
It uses pronoun "he" and anyone would assume the "he" is Dr Jagadish Chandra Bose rather the "he" is Cleve Backster.
I have read the books of Jagdish Chandra Bose and he makes no such claim or deduce no such theory on his findings. His findings were as mentioned in the rest of the section broadly that plants respond to stimuli.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.251.59.61 (talk) 05:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "he hypothesized that plants can "feel pain, understand affection etc" Its a hypothesis by Cleve Backster not Jagadish Chandra Bose 

message: Jagadish Chandra Bose is Bengali ethnically and geographically from the Indian subcontinent. It is completely neutral point of view. I don't understand your reversal here. Wikipedia has no WP:DEADLINE. Things can be changed. Kindly advise. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 20:47, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  As a more experienced user, I will appreciate your input. Based on the talk page, there seems to be no consensus, just back and forth. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 20:47, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the prevailing lead is fine. I am not sure why you want to change it. British India is mentioned as his country. And, Bengali ethnicity in the course of the lead. Unlike Tagore, Bose's Bengali ethnicity is not central to his notability as a scientist. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:13, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you check the lead and ib here there has been a Bangladeshi POVPUSH by an IP user for sometime but the lead seems to have changed a bit since the above discussion. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  , it looks practically the same still. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:17, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnically Bengali and Geographically Indian Subcontinent 

message: , can you please go through the numerous discussions where it has been decided to leave out Bose's nationality? Calling him Indian is anachronism as "Indian" only refers to the citizens of Republic of India which came into being in 1947, whereas Bose died in 1937. This was also discussed in a dispute resolution attempt between WikiProjects Bangladesh and India. Unilaterally changing this longstanding version without any discussion is disruptive. And can you explain how do you find the mention about the poll Greatest Bengali of all time a WP:Puffery and WP:SOAPBOX? Lead is supposed to be a summary of the entire article and mentioning his position in the poll summarizes his legacy/honor. --Zayeem  (talk) 18:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for correcting me; I saw the discussion about nationality in the talk page. Actually I edited solely on the basis on "Encyclopaedia Britannica" article which state Bose as Indian. Since you are inclined to add BBC poll in the lead its OK. Anyway I'll rv my edit.--Amrita62 (talk) 18:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for understanding. Also note that Encyclopaedia Britannica may not be a reliable source always as it has started to receive contributions from general public since 2010. The history of Bose's article at Encyclopaedia Britannica reveals it has been edited by non-staff contributors. See WP:RSP for details. Thanks. --Zayeem  (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in the lead 

message: Hi
I would like to reorganize the article to make it easier to add new information. For example, an editor may wish to add more information regarding Bose's life during the phase of his plant research, which may or may not be directly related to his research. From this point of view, it would be practical to separate the article into two major sections, the first dealing with his life and the second dealing exclusively with his research. This is what is being done in the article on Albert Einstein. Below are the sections of the proposed reorganization. If anyone has suggestions, please let me know here.
Life and Career
- Early life and  education
- Professorship at presidency college (introduction)
- Bose Institute
- Personal Views
Scientific Career
- Microwave Radio Research
- Plant Research
- Study of metal fatigue and cell response
Science fiction
Legacy and Honors
Publications
Notes
References
Further reading
External links RamasSquirrel (talk) 09:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a good way to handle it. His biographic details are a bit scattered and now that they are relatively well fleshed out they could use organization. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 14:12, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganizing the article similar to 'Albert Einstein' article