Talk:Flautist

message: It's a pity that Martin Linde, Grafenauer and Morris have been removed. In the fullness of time this list will maybe need pruning, but at the present it needs expansion, and some more detail fleshing out for the entries which are in the lists.
I'll leave this for the moment, but may come back to it later.
David Martland 08:44, 27 April 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I watch the page, but for some reason this got by me when it happened; the removals were by an anon user with no explanation, so I just restored to the previous version. Stan 12:56, 27 April 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: I noticed that some of the flutists have descriptions by them, but many don't.  I'm not wild about explaining who Boehm, Frederick the Great, and Quantz were, but not giving Rampal a blurb.  Would anyone object if I just took out all of the summaries?  Or should we add summaries to the rest of them?  I don't really care; I just think it's silly how it is now. Starwiz 01:28, 11 February 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete blurbs from list? 

message: i'm a flutist or flautist(flutist sounds better) it's amazing how many ways people will pronounce Flutist. i've been called a fluterist, flutist(pronounce the u as in flut), and many people call me "Flute Dude".  it's funny to see people try figure out what a flute player is called:)   BoOkWoRm 20:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  saying Flutist or Flautist 

message: It seems to me that there is a need for some serious re-thinking about who is on this list.  The list should include people who are or have been famous and influtential flutists, not famous people who just happen to play the flute.  The list should include those who have had some influence on flute construction, flute techniques, or flute uses.  Georges Barrere needs to be on the list ASAP.  Gary Schocker, the world’s most published living composer of music for the flute, belongs on the list. Peter Gabriel simply doens't belong there.  An agency like the "National Flute Association"  should weigh in on this. Weyandt 20:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flutists Cited In This Article 

message: Please see my added para to the controversy section, respectfully submitted.  Cryptonymius 18:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: And it appears that neither 'flautist' nor 'flutist' is the eldest

message: I deleted Michelle Flaherty's name from the list.  I don't think she warrants being mentioned here.  If anyone thinks she should be on the list, please give your reasons here before readding her name.--Tabun1015 15:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody added a *fictional* flute-playing high-schooler? Geez, sometimes it seems like we've got a bunch of freaks editing WP. In any case, the removal is totally correct. Stan 18:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michelle Flaherty 

message: What's up with the giant video on this page? It's ugly, takes up a lot of space, and slows down the page load. Why is it even here? I've never even seen videos like this on Wikipedia. --Colinbartlett 22:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Video

message: I added flutist to the existing terms flautist and flute-player in the first sentence.  I hope this isn't objectionable, as I didn't remove the terms that were already there but only acknowledged, in addition, the widespread and completely accepted use of flutist in the US.  Stan really hit the nail on the head when he remarked: "Flautist in the US tends [to] connote pretentiousness, such as by non-players trying to sound knowledgeable."  I've been a professional musician in the US for decades, and I've heard flautist plenty of times, but hardly ever from the mouth of a professional colleague (especially one who plays flute).  I respectfully disagree with Furrykef's suggestion that "flautist is the correct usage in every English-speaking region." Emoll 22:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added "flutist" to first sentence 

message: I believe the word "flautist" derives ultimately from Provencal, not Italian. This should be mentioned in the article. Badagnani 22:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Provencal

message: First, let me state, I'm not proposing deletion. My goal is just to generate some discussion.
The article currently  has three sections.
#A one-sentence definition.
#A section about the naming controversy.
#A list of notable flautists.
This is a really old article (going back to 15 Nov. 2002). From then till now, there has not been enough content added to warrant an article. The list should really be moved to List of flautists. The definition is only important because of the rest of the article. Otherwise a disambig. page with a Wiktionary link will do. So what you're left with is "Naming controversy". That's it. The whole article. And that's fine, but then the article should be renamed to Naming controversy involving "flautists" or something like that. Rocket000 (talk) 07:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this be an article? 

message: I don't know who she is, but she is certainly not "of the rock group Jethro Tull". A google search on "jennifer fetzer" + flute came up with five results, four of which simply quoted this list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.165.192.231 (talk) 00:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jennifer Fetzer 

message: "Also one of the finest people you'll ever meet! And my personal favorite." -- enough said. Pasi (talk) 11:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just edit these out when you see them please - this page seems to be a magnet for people adding friends and other non-notables. Stan (talk) 17:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need serious re-editing for NPOV 

message: This is silly, the following were all removed from the article page:
Notable (???) flautists
*Bob Armer (central Oregon sass flautist)
*Avi Piamenta Rock, Jazz, fusion (of The Piamenta Band)
*Samuel Baron
*Georges Barrère
*Jean-Louis Beaumadier - Removed from list by Nigosh (talk) 13:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redlinks

message: Is it true that in The Flute Book Toff says the term "flautist" has negative connotations?: 
"In Nancy Toff's essential The Flute Book, she explains that the term flautist is associated with the negative connotations derived from the Latin verb, flaut which means to jeer or mock, which 'apparently derives its meaning from the practice of playing a flute to ridicule.' "  --JohnDoe0007 (talk) 13:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, middle of page xiv. Stan (talk) 14:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Really don't like this part of the article.  "The American player and writer Nancy Toff" tells us she prefers "flutist".  Firstly... who she?  Secondly though she might feel this reveals a 'modest lack of pretension' (how modest of her to say) the article doesn't have to agree.  You know some say that simplified spelling generally originates in a cultural blind spot, not on the moral high ground, and that rationalisation comes after the fact.  Hakluyt bean (talk) 10:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

text: In fact, looking at it again, imo the whole naming controversy section is pretty unnecessary, given over as it apparently is to reassuring American users of the term 'flutist' that they needn't feel bad and in fact maybe everyone else should feel bad for using 'flautist' according to some selected opinions.  It's just cultural self-promotion.  I've never heard of 'flutist' before so to me it's not really a 'controversy', just a variant.  English spelling varies for generally accidental reasons, sometimes cultural ones.  'Flutist' differentiates Americans from Europeans is about all one needs to say. Hakluyt bean (talk) 17:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we don't feel "bad" about it, we just think that people who interpolate an unnecessary "a" into "flutist" are idiots. Vidor (talk) 16:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  flautist vs. flutist & Nancy Toff 

message: Given the fact that Paris is the "jazz capital" of Europe, there is no reason why a largely recognized French musician such as :fr:Magic Malik shouldn't be included. 87.69.131.103 (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no problem with including Malik. The problem is with linking to an article in French Wikipedia. This is the English Wikipedia. Create an an English article on Malik, then link that. Ward3001 (talk) 22:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you're saying, but there seems to be no WP policy that can back you up. Please correct me if I'm wrong. 87.69.131.103 (talk) 22:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  French jazz musicians 

message: This section is out of control. What are the criteria for being placed on this list? --Onorem♠Dil 22:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trim the 'Notable people who play the flute (flute players)' section 

message: William Kincaid's name is linked to an article for an artist, not the flutist mentioned here. Can I correct this error, or is someone else responsible? Thanks!
COflutist (talk) 04:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erroneous link in 'Notable people who play the flute (flute players)' section 

message: Though I have long heard the pronunciation; I had been led to believe that 'flutist' was incorrect.  After having read the Wikipedia info, I continue to prefer flautist..  I believe that in musical academia this preference is also shared.  Not only is this because of my experience; it is due to the prolific use of the Italian language as musical terminology.  Of course this principle doesn't apply to all the musical instruments; but the bastardization of English by Americans often robs the language of its color.  In the languages of art disciplines; I feel that the flowery options are often more appealing;and thus, often more appropriate. Fredbarr3519 (talk) 14:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First, please, let me speak for the United States of America and all speakers of American English when I say that you are [expletive deleted].  Secondly, categorizing the spelling "flutist" as a bastardization is deeply stupid, since, as the article notes, it is the older spelling.  Vidor (talk) 11:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flutist or flautist (My two lira worth) 

message: Regarding this, I thought I'd link a picture demonstrating the "huge white square" problem.--Раціональне анархіст (talk) 06:13, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created a section on the MOS/lead TP to search for solutions.--Раціональне анархіст (talk) 06:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think your alternative affects only "a very small minority of users". I don't think we should expect quick replies during Christmas week. And I don't think the "huge white square" looks "garishly ugly" at all. For now, I would just leave it alone — there's no deadline! —Patrug (talk) 07:20, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOC placement