Talk:Cem Özdemir

message: Its irrelevant to claim Turkish descent just because his father carries Turkish passport. He is a Circassian and tells this without hesitation. If this doesnt mean anything, then brand singer Shakira as a Turkish descent(from Lebanon), brand all the Armenian, Greek diaspora same way. I would like to see face of Elia Kazan if smb told him this(although he probably had some Turkic ancestors).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.236.49.247 (talk) 15:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As per WP:MOSBIO I am removing Turkish decent from the lede. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Both of his parents are Turkish (in the sense that they came from Turkey and had Turkish citizenship), his name and surname are Turkish, and he speaks Turkish. So, it would be fair to say he has Turkish descent. That aside, a large number of Turks (not surprisingly) have a variety of descents: Albanian, Azeri, Bosnian, Circassian, Turkmen, various other Turkic ethnicities, as well as Arab, Armenian, Assyrian, Greek, Kurdish...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.145.230.3 (talk) 11:47, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you source that? Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:37, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish descent???? 

message: I am not so sure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.228.39.56 (talk) 21:20, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In German politics, religion can be important. The main party supporting the government is even called "Christian Democratic Union". Some people pay attention if a minister will refer to god in their oath, or if they skip that part, which is also possible. All in all it's not the same as with a sportsperson. By the way, I do think Mr Özdemir identifies as a Muslim. --Aecur (talk) 19:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  read the German page. He refers to himself as "sekulärer Muslim" = "secular muslim". This should answer your question. --Nillurcheier (talk) 09:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Religion is immaterial in the primarily secular nation, however, identifying as something other than Christian or atheist might draw out xenophobia. Walter Görlitz (talk) 08:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is he really Muslim? 

message: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/11/28/the_fp_top_100_global_thinkers?page=0,45#thinker77 excerpt ... 
"Polls this fall showed that one in five voters supports the Greens, making it the country's main opposition party."
99.181.130.83 (talk) 09:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Foreign Policy]] potential resource 

message: In 2010, Renate Künast, Cécile Duflot, Monica Frassoni, and Marina Silva were named to the Foreign Policy listhttp://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/11/29/the_fp_top_100_global_thinkers?page=0,30 for taking Green mainstream.
141.218.36.41 (talk) 23:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was explained in the edit that removed it: "So-called "context" is irrelevant to this article." . --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Moved </nowiki> to where is seem to have use.  OK , WG?  97.87.29.188 (talk) 00:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not what I intended. But it's not worth arguing over. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was this context removed? 

message: I am not sure what a "secular Muslim" is supposed to be. This may be one of the cases where the adjective negates the noun, just like an "abdicated king" or a "retired boxer", or an "unsuccessful candidate", means that the individual is not a king, or boxer, or candidate, any longer but sort of retains certain characteristics of king, or boxer, or candidate, because he spent time being one.
Except that "secular Muslim" may mean that he never was a Muslim to begin with, just that his ancestors were and he feels vaguely loyal towards them. 
Surely this insn't enough to justify the category "German Muslims"?  --dab (𒁳) 11:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A secular Muslim generally means that they believe in separation of church and state. You linked to the article, :Islam and secularism, and it's explained very clearly in the first few paragraphs. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "German Muslim"

message: User:Frank W. Matisse has replaced the previous photo for the third time (, , ) without responding to my attempt to contact him and raise a discussion (). I think, the photo introduced by him shows the subject in a very disadvantageous way (dark shadows under nose and elsewhere, emphasized nose line, viewpoint from below) compared to the previously used portait photo (). Since a better photo is available (in the older one) and this article is about a living person, we have to take extra care with the contents used here per WP:BLP. Since Frank also replaced the photos in many other articles and did not respond to my comment, I don't know what he is up to. In either case, from a photographer's point of view, I find his photo unsuitable for the article. The previous photo isn't perfect, but at least it does not show the subject in an unfavourable way. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Restored photo again as Frank did not respond. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 23:09, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

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