Talk:IPod Classic/Archive 1

message: No further commentary necessary, IMO. Butterfly0fdoom 08:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DO NOT DO ANYTHING TO THIS ARTICLE UNTIL THE MATTER IS DISCUSSED 

message: Is an item "available" if it is discontinued? (re "Three models are available, one of which is discontinued:")
:is the 60GB model still made? if not, maybe change "discontinued" with "no longer manufactured"?
what do you think? (hey, also the image shows the older 60GB model with the older earphones, update?) 85.154.31.243 19:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History and models 

message: If the iPod video materialises at today's Apple conference, then I'll have a good go at ripping this page up and popping something nice in it's place, or adding to the iPod page. 
If the iPod video's all speculation and fails to materialise, then I'll AFD it.
Here's hoping for the former! Conferecne starts 10am PT (-7 GMT), so people should check then!
Perks 09:42, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What we should do 

message: This article isn't based on any hard facts or links or ANYTHING.  Even the rumour mills are confused. Not really suitable for Wikipedia.
Come back in an hour :P
Sargant 16:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: came back after about 2 months, now looks more suitable. --Oscarthecat 23:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where are the facts? 

message: 6G iPod paragram is pure speculation really. EAi 21:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts 

message: "The fifth generation iPod was updated on September 12, 2006. This update included a brighter screen, a search feature, gapless playback, new earphones, addition of games, and longer battery life when playing videos. An 80 GB model also replaced the 60 GB model, while retaining the same dimensions as its predecessor."
Is it just me or is does this mislead the reader completely? Some of the above features require the updated "5.5G" iPod and others such as games and gapless playback are accesible on the original 5G.
Opinions? --Connor oc 16:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update? 

message: hi, i am looking to buy a 5.5g iPod video.
i would like the white 30gb model.
could someone please tell me a bit about the product?
If you want information about a product, Wikipedia is not the appropriate place to go. Run a google search, and next time sign your posts. 69.242.137.112 00:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ipod 

message: It is necessary to acknowledge that "iPod Video" is not the correct name of the product. If you go to Apple's website, you will find no reference to it as "iPod Video". When the fourth generation iPod with colour display was released, it had the name "iPod Photo". Around a year later apple merged the two product lines and replaced the black-and-white models with the iPod Photo. At that point it ceased to be called the "iPod Photo".
The only reason it was called iPod Photo was to differentiate it from the regular iPod at the time. As only one major type of fifth generation iPod now exists, apple didn't need to call it "iPod Video". People just assume that's what it's called. If a video capable iPod had been released alongside a non video capable one, then they might have called it "iPod Video".
Therefore, although we can acknowledge that it is commonly referred to as iPod Video, we still have to explain that it isn't the correct name of the product. Shaw, Stephen 18:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no need to say that it is (incorrectly) commonly called iPod Video.  If that is what it's commonly called, then that's what it is commonly called.  It doesn't matter whether that it correct or not.  --Son 21:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod Video or Fifth Generation iPod (emerging revert war) 

message: Is this screen LCD or a Plasma Screen ?
Looks like a Plasma to me.
Yourdeadin 06:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is LCD, see Amazon.co.uk's technical details. -- Chris as I am Chris 10:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you ever heard of a 2.5 inch plasma screen? By the way, this page is designed to provide a place to talk about the article "IPod (5G)"; not the productShaw, Stephen 12:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screen 

message: I just added details of the new Wifi iPod 80.229.169.189 09:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Details" of a "WiFi iPod" should not be added until there is sufficient proof that such a product exists. The only third party able to supply this proof is Apple. An unofficial magazine article is not proof. Until its official announcement by Apple, it's a rumour. Also, the article about the fifth generation iPod is not the right place to post details about a supposed new model of the iPod.Shaw, Stephen 12:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: In this context, an unofficial magazine is one which is not published by Apple Inc. The picture and "details" mean nothing unless they were announced by Apple, in which case same would be on their website. Also, as I have previously mentioned, this article is entitled "IPod (5G)". It is therefore not the correct place to write about this supposed "WiFi iPod", whether it exists or not. Shaw, Stephen 14:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WIFI iPod 

message: so pre sept 2006 were the 80gb models available??
:No, they weren't available Shaw, Stephen 14:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre sept 2006 60gb or 80gb ipod? 

message: It has not been proven whether or not-as far as I know-that the official firmware is encrypted or not.
There is only speculation that it is, whilst others say that the (hardware?) has an additional checksum, to prevent syncing problems, so that the iPod will no longer act as a dumb-removable-drive. While at the same time, encryption seems unlikely as it has been proven that Apple's license agreement allows such software modifications to be present-and I believe it will not even void the warranty.
Predator106 (talk) 21:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Firmware Encypted 

message: The section "Hardware issues" Should be rewritten to meet NPOV</post> Geek45 (talk) 02:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: No, it shouldn't be merged, all the other models have their own pages. I'm removing the template --80.86.74.135 21:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge, this is really just like the iPod photo. Can be considered the 6th generation iPod. JohnnyBGood  t c VIVA! 21:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's new, and deserves its own page. Not to mention IT'S NOT WHITE that should be noted that apple ditched their iconic white iPod for silver.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.226.61 (talk) 22:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It only takes a sentence to describe the color change. This article is just redundant information and a big fair use image. The new interface can be added into iPod where it can refer to the new nanos as well. Please do not remove the merge template as the issue is still being discussed; a few hours is not sufficient time. I don't want to pull the logged-in superiority card, but  JohnnyBGood and I do have more experience and have a better feel for what's appropriate under the Notability Policy. I will, however, contact the non-anonymous creator of the page and ask for his/her input.--HereToHelp 23:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I too think it's a little too soon to merge the page... but the argument could also be made that it was too soon to create it in the first place. Pele Merengue 23:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't Merge I view this as a new product.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM)  23:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't Merge --DogGunn 00:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge with ipod 

message: This article lacks a full list of features, can we please list them 80.229.169.189 18:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We'll take care of that after we resolve the merge/delete issue. Butterfly0fdoom 19:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There should be some info on the dimensions of the different models...?--193.217.58.211 13:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to compile that information, go ahead. But make sure you do so in a neat and organized manner (like a table, don't put it in the infobox). Butterfly0fdoom 18:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Features 

message: I added the info but someone ask for citation. I don't how to add it but here is my source: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/ipod-classics-exhibit-random-crashes-lockups/11429
60.50.196.92 06:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bugs and Glitches in ipod 6G 

message: What was the original font for iPods before they changed it to Myriad. --PJ Pete
:1st, 2nd, 3rd, and monochrome 4th gen iPods use the Chicago font. iPod mini used Espy Sans. And until the iPod classic, colored iPods actually used Podium Sans, technically not Myriad. AquaStreak 13:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Font 

message: Letting Apple's marketing strategy determine the naming of articles ("retronym"??? Please.  What is this, Star Wars?) leads to absurdities like this:
"The first batch of iPod classics has been reported to crash trying to load album art and connecting to iTunes after syncing for the first time. "
Excuse me, but according to the article, all' Ipods are "classics."  The article, under this name, should refer only to the latest generation -- if it's needed at all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.45.200 (talk) 02:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it means anything, the latest iTunes update I got from Apple mentioned "iPod Fifth/5.5 Generation" and iPod Classic as two seperate products. I would think that the classic suffix applied to the Sixth Generation iPods. And if it does apply to all, then I would imagine there is a source (or it would reasonably easy to find one) saying that Apple has adpoted that retronym. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 19:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this article about Ipods or "classics"? 

message: I changed the article to say that the remote jack on the 3G is a 4-pin connection next to the headphone port and someone has reverted it back to say it's 10-pin.  Here is a link to a picture of one side of the remote's connection, showing a 3-channel mini jack and 2 of the 4 connections on the remote connecter.  It's possible that the extra channel on the mini jack is used for the remote, but even if it's included then the remote connection uses only 5 contacts.
JP Godfrey (Talk to me) 13:18, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 Pin remote jack 

message: Does anybody know why this latest Ipod still does not incorporate an FM radio? What is the best mp3 player out there which does have a radio? 78.16.83.60 (talk) 18:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no radio[still]? 

message: i use limewire for my music needs how do i get album artwork or can i turn off the cover flow  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.239.91.160 (talk) 03:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover flow 

message: Shouldn't we have somewhere here, even in a drop down section, a full list of supported file types for the new iPod classic? Or a history of supported file types all in drop down menus, or even their own article? JayKeaton (talk) 22:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  supported files 

message: "A firmware update, 1.1.1, released by Apple for the iPod classic is said to, among other things, improve the sound quality. However, no details on these improvements were given on the Apple website." So why is it here on the page then? 129.2.231.243 (talk) 17:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio quality...riiight 

message: Whoever wrote this page dosesn't know what they are talking about. iPod Classic was the name given to the current generation of the iPod not the whole back-catalogue. if you look on the apple website they refer they previous models as ipod 5th gen, ipod 4th gen etc. They don't call them iPod classic 5th gen, iPOD Classic 4th gen etc. and with the new model they just call it iPod Classic not iPod classic 6th gen.
THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED
--92.11.168.233 (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Apple Music Event 2007 start at around 00:25:00, you will see Steve Jobs saying that the "iPod classic" name will be applied to the original-style iPods. As thus, this operates as a retronym. Apple isn't going to go change the support names for all the previous iPods. We have a direct reference from Steve Jobs to support our community consensus, and any personal attacks will not be tolerated (especially by me, one of the instigators of making the article the way it is now). Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And what happens when they come out with a 2nd gen classic? Oh wait, they already have one, right? Chrisca123 (talk) 22:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did you even WATCH the video and compare his statements to how Apple identifies the iPods on their support website? You even listed the names. When the time comes, we as a community will come up with a consensus as to how to resolve the problem. But, if the video and the general Apple community is any indication, we'll probably just refer to whatever new iPod classic Apple releases as the 7th generation classic (unless it's an incremental update like the 5.5G iPod). Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Personally, you come off as a troll, and your lack of a login as well as the gratuitous amount of capital letters suggests to me that you're simply trying to stir up crap. But hey, that's just me... KeineLust90 (talk) 01:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  They are not all called iPod Classic 

message: Not all iPods are "classic". They may be classic iPods in the same sense as a classic car (Mustang, GTO) or a classic movie (Casa Blanca, Gone With the Wind), but the specific name of the models are not all now "5th gen classic" or "2nd gen classic". 
Here's the info from Apple (they made and named the iPods, remember?)
For the iPod models, see Apple - Identifying iPod models
"iPod classic
The iPod classic is a hard drive-based iPod (80 GB or 160 GB) featuring a large, widescreen color display, a Click Wheel, and the capability of displaying photos and videos. Like other models, it uses USB for syncing. The iPod classic is available in silver and black, and has an anodized aluminum and polished stainless steel enclosure.
You can distinguish the iPod classic from the iPod (5th generation) " (LOOK, THEY ARE DIFFERENT) "by the last three digits of the serial number. The iPod classic serial number's last three digits will be one of the following: Y5N, YMU, YMV, and YMX."
I don't see Apple referring to the following as "classic" anywhere.
"iPod (5th generation late 2006) (also known as iPod with video or Fifth Generation iPod)"
"iPod with color display...These are considered fourth generation models along with iPod (Click Wheel)."
"iPod (dock connector)...dock connector models are referred to as third generation iPod models."
"iPod (touch wheel)... are considered second generation iPod models."
"iPod (scroll wheel)...are referred to as first generation iPod models."
Chrisca123 (talk) 20:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Apple Music Event 2007 start at around 00:25:00, you will see Steve Jobs saying that the "iPod classic" name will be applied to the original-style iPods. As thus, this operates as a retronym. Apple isn't going to go change the support names for all the previous iPods. We have a direct reference from Steve Jobs to support our community consensus, and any personal attacks will not be tolerated (especially by me, one of the instigators of making the article the way it is now). Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I made no attacks, personal or otherwise.Also, the article I linked to above describing the iPods was updated on 1 May 2008.  Chrisca123 (talk) 22:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, I copy/pasted. My point is, Apple doesn't change their support names. So even though Steve Jobs announced the retronym at the event, that doesn't mean Apple's going to change the support page that other people rely on all of a sudden. Fact is, we have a reference to back out claim, straight out of their CEO/Chairman's mouth. Look at the Talk:iPod archives, and you can see the consensus being reached back in September. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 22:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod models (classic) 

message: I would say that the iPod touch is the flagship model. Although the classic has much more space, the touch is more feature packed. Mister macphisto (talk) 09:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The flagship model isn't always the most expensive or the most feature-packed. While it often is, in the case of the iPod family, it can be argued that the iPod classic is the flagship because it is of the aesthetic of what is often associated with the iPod (that is, a screen and a wheel). Furthermore, the classic is (by Jobs' use of a retronym and our consensus acceptance of the retronym as the norm) the original line of iPods or (by Apple's support document nomenclature and the interpretation that some consider the norm) the successor of the original iPod. Under both interpretations of the iPod classic's position in the iPod lineup, it would be the flagship. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 06:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod classic flagship? 

message: Per MOS:TM, we should present the product name as "iPod Classic", not "iPod classic". There is examption for the initial "i" because it is a distinctive mark of the product and there's an exemption for improper caps in the first two letters, but "Shuffle" should be capitalised per standard title case. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded.  Standard English, really... KeineLust90 (talk) 01:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: I suggest that this article's name be iPod. And the article named iPod be named iPod Family. I suggest this with creating a new page for the iPod classic (Sixth Generation) as it's own page for the model named the iPod classic.  Mavericklovesipod (talk) 23:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I disagree. You look at the top of the talkpage here and in the archives in Talk:iPod, and you'll see that this page being the way it is is because of community consensus and Steve Jobs himself applying the retronym. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 17:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Change to iPod 

message: Anyone know when the next update's expected to happen with either the Classic or any of the other ipods? It's usually in Sep each year isn't it, but not every year, so is Sep 2008 gonna see new models perhaps with larger HDD's? 
I'm really waiting for the next generation to appear before updating my model -- hopefully a 320GB Classic would be very useful to a WAV user like myself :-) ! 
Anyone know or have any insider details? Thanks in advance Jimthing (talk) 02:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next generation... 

message: With all this information, it is confusing.  What criteria should I consider when trying to decide between a classic, a nano and a touch?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.160.137.121 (talk) 19:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do I decide? 

message: Any source for it being a new generation? It's only a change in memory size. --[kazikame] 22:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Apple's site lists it as another capacity choice, I say we treat it as a 6.5G. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 03:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPod-classic-Black-Generation/dp/B001F7AHXM/ Apple's Amazon account has the 120 GB model listed as the 7th Generation. Lanthas (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  7G? 

message: I just purchased a new 120GB iPod Classic. Under About it shows 2.0, Does that mean there is a new firmware for the Classic? 80.229.169.189 (talk) 19:45, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New firmware 

message: I feel the Sixth generation should get it's own article not only due to it's name of the "iPod Classic" that is only prevalent to THIS generation as supported by this "Identifying iPod Models" page on Apple Support, but also due to its section size in the article. Also it is not called "iPod Classic 6th Generation" on the Apple Support page. So it is not in the same category as previous models.  76.83.223.0 (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that you should scroll up and see why the Wikipedia page is the way it is. Apple Support is famous for ambiguous names. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 03:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, but this Wikipedia page is one of the few websites that consider the iPod Classic the iPod Classic 6th Generation. I understand your reasoning, the iPod Classic has a lot of similarities to the defunct iPod line but it is a separate model. 76.83.223.71 (talk) 02:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not according to Steve Job's own words. And Steve Jobs actually uses generational terminology himself. The support page generally doesn't use such distinctions. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 23:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  But even so it is a new model. But even other than that to make the article consistent I feel that the 6th generation should just be a summary, with the firmware information in a different article that can go into detail about that information, or it should be added to all sections about their firmware. 76.83.223.71 (talk) 23:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  This was discussed before. If you want to break the consensus, you need something solid to establish how it's a new model. To support the status quo, Steve Job's recorded use of "iPod classic" as a retronym is used.  Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 07:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this should be iPod, because that is the original name. The first paragraph should make mention of the retronym-ing. The iPod brand has a legacy. If Lucas and Spielberg announced that Indiana Jones was to be renamedAdventure Archaeologist what would you call it? 86.145.40.155 (talk) 04:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod or iPod Classic 

message: Wouldn't it be better to put the individual generations of the iPod into seperate articles (e.g. Zune 80, 120, etc.) rather than into one article as it seems to be a bit cluttered and a bit harder to read.  It's not likely they would be stub articles anyway. LethalReflex 16:19, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current system is fine. 6 "classic", 2 shuffle, 2 mini, 4 nano, and 2 touch articles is overkill. The Zune line is smaller, therefore article separation is not an issue. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 23:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well they seem to lack more content.  It's ridiculously small for as big and as popular as iPods currently are. LethalReflex 01:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's hardly a justifications for individual pages for each generation. "Big and popular" does not establish sufficient notability for each individual generation. Furthermore, there isn't enough unique information for each individual information without turning the articles into spec sheets. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual pages 

message: In the section Fifth Generation it is stated that the 5G iPod plays videos in "MP4 (up to 2.5 Mbit/s) and H.264 (up to 1.5 Mbit/s, baseline profile only) formats", which seems to imply that they are interchangeable and similar. (Whether they are meant to be listed as codecs of containers is unknown.) They aren't of course, as MP4 refers to the mpeg-4 container format and h.264 is a codec. They can be used simultaneously. There are codecs in the mpeg-4 standard, including h.264, but I assume this is meant to refer to mpeg-4 part 2 codecs (of which there are many). I'm not sure exactly which container formats or codecs the 5G supports, but that should probably included in full and the lists should be discreet from one another to avoid confusion. 86.145.40.155 (talk) 05:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Container format != codec