Talk:Helsinki metropolitan area

message: I merged Helsinki Metropolitan Area into this, and reworded a lot of the article. (I was also going to merge in the articles with Finnish names like Pääkaupunkiseutu and Suur-Helsinki, but someone had already done that, which was nice.)
Some justification to this:
* The terms "Helsinki metropolitan area", "Greater Helsinki", "Helsinki region", etc. are not that well-defined. In fact, they are often all used interchangeably, and sometimes each with more specific, albeit varying meanings. This is the case also with the Finnish terms such as "Pääkaupunkiseutu" and "Helsingin seutu".
*Also, consider this: there is only one article on many of the lot bigger metropolitan areas, such as Chicagoland or Greater Los Angeles, etc. The Helsinki area with around one million people is, after all, relatively small for a metropolitan area. Having several articles makes things unnecessarily complicated, and may actually misrepresent the reality.
So, I think it is clearest to have one article where we try to explain the most common conceptions of the Helsinki region. --Jonik 12:12, 9 October 2004 (UTC)
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message: Just how 'official' is the wider, 12-municipality definition of the metropolitan area? Is it used in official statistics from Statistics Finland? Is it used by any local planning authority? The article just mention it as commonly recognized and 'not completely established'. --Pjred (talk) 07:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition of metropolitan area - official?

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message: I suggest that we synchronize the articles to match the administrative or statistical definitions in use in Finland. At the same time, titles and concepts could be unified and separated at the same time. I propose the following hierarchy:
* Helsinki capital area (pääkaupunkiseutu): Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Kauniainen
* Helsinki metropolitan area (Helsingin seutu): Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Kauniainen + Hyvinkää, Järvenpää, Kerava, Kirkkonummi, Mäntsälä, Nurmijärvi, Pornainen, Sipoo, Tuusula, Vihti
* Helsinki sub-region (Helsingin seutukunta): Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Kauniainen + Hyvinkää, Järvenpää, Kerava, Kirkkonummi, Mäntsälä, Nurmijärvi, Pornainen, Sipoo, Tuusula, Vihti + Karkkila, Lohja, Siuntio
In my opinion, Greater Helsinki is not much in use, and a more appropriate and internationally comparable name for it would be Helsinki metropolitan area. Peltimikko (talk) 00:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helsinki sub-region, Helsinki metropolitan area and Helsinki capital area 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus  – robertsky (talk) 11:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Greater Helsinki →  – 1. Some guidelines in :WP:NCGN, but specifically "metropolitan" in the USA guidelines: WP:USPLACE. 2. :Helsinki metropolitan area is by far the most popular way to describe the larger urban area surrounding a large city. In Europe, for example, only a few articles use the word "greater" to describe a metropolitan area. 3. In the Anglo-Saxon language, :Greater Helsinki can be sometimes used, but on official (Finnish municipality) websites this form is only the third most used. Much more popular are :Helsinki metropolitan area and sometimes :Helsinki region. For example, Finnish language documents never use the term "Suur-" (Greater), but either "pääkaupunkiseutu" (Capital region) or "Helsingin seutu" (Helsinki region). Peltimikko (talk) 11:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I'm against this. Since this article is about the whole "Helsingin seutu"(Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Kauniainen, Hyvinkää, Järvenpää, Kerava, Kirkkonummi, Nurmijärvi, Sipoo, Tuusula, Vihti, Mäntsälä and Pornainen.), which is different from "Pääkaupunkiseutu"(only Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa and Kauniainen). Helsinki itself uses the term "Greater Helsinki" for "Helsingin seutu" and "Helsinki Metropolitan Area" for "Pääkaupunkiseutu" 2001:999:609:5F0:77C1:B907:1EC:ECD8 (talk) 13:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Tentative support as it seems there is precedence established, but the commenter above seems to bring up a fair point. Pdubs.94 (talk) 05:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 March 2024