Talk:The Stand

message: In the American TV series Jeremiah (typo?) a man made virus or some micro-organism has killed all of the adult population and the only remaining human beings who where not effected by the disease where children.
The plot is happening several years after the catastrophe and has, in it's own way, a war between "Good" versus "Bad".
I never have read the whole book, only started reading, but I see some similarities.
Also, the adolescent-aimed TV series from Australia or New-Zealand named The Clan had the exact scenario of Jeremiah, a virus have wiped out all of the adults or the world, the difference is of the budget, quality of actors, excessive amount of wasteful makeup, hair-dues and fashion accessories (They are trying to survive an holocaust, aren't they...?) and the amount of time after the bug have killed all of adult population. (The children in the world of Jeremiah are now but The Clan starts when adults are still dying, if I'm not mistaking)
I think you are talking about a show called The Tribe.  Your description of The Clan"is and exact description of the The Tribe, so unless The Tribe has an alternate title, I'm pretty sure you just got the titles mixed up.
NOTE: There is a huge literature of post-apocalypse stories, of which The Stand and Jeremiah_(series) are part. That they recapitulate some similar themes and scenarios is to be expected. See post-apocalypse_Earth VJDocherty 01:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: "The Stand" is not a "Scifi/Horror" novel; it is best described as a post-apocalytic fantasy.  Yes, some horror elements are present, but not in the John Saul/Dean Koontz or 19th/early 20th-century sense.  King isn't, and never has been, a standard horror novelist, and he doesn't bother with SciFi conventions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.72.94.110 (talk) 23:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: SciFi/Horror?

message: "The publishing history of the book is unique in that"
Deleted above, as The Stand is not the only book to be re-released in an expanded edition. Stranger in a Strange Land comes to mind right away.
Jordoh 00:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe "unique" is fair here; SiaSL (nor any other book I know of) did not have a changed timeframe or other similar changes.  Jgm 02:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor Change

message: In the description of the character Larry Underwood, I've deleted 'but not before warning him of the walking man' when describing the events surrounding his mother's death. As far as I recall, this never happened in the book (either version) only in the film adaption, where she tells him to 'watch out for the dark man'. If anyone can identify the exact sentence in the book where Larry receives this warning, then by all means change it back., but otherwise this should be deleted as inaccurate since other adaptions of the plot for the film are not mentioned (e.g. the Rita Blakemore/Nadine Cross characters being merged, the Deitz/Elder characters being merged, Ray Booth being imprisonned etc etc). Also, while Larry's mother died in his arms at home in the film, in the book she died on a cot in a corridor in Mercy Hosptial while Larry crouched on the floor next to her. I've therefore deleted 'in his arms' for the same reason.--86.27.52.203 22:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Minor Change

message: the first paragraph contains an unmarked spoiler (the part about characters destined to take a stand against flagg). i'm going to remove it and if someone wants it back in then put it in a separate section (preferably titled film) then do that and mark it for possible spoilers. --Scott w 20:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler 

message: "(for example always spreads rumors about how it got cold early in the year in Boulder in 1984)."
In this part of the "Trivia" section it looks to me as though a name was left out; "for example --- always spreads rumors..."
I haven't read the book, so could someone who has please correct this. Thanks. —  17:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Edit 

message: ...who thinks the Crimson King really isn't mentioned in the book at all?  I mean, King has said he almost never writes from an outline, so the idea of him envisioning the Crimson King about three years before he ever mentioned him by name is a little silly to me.  And that's assuming Glen's dreams were brand new for the Uncut edition--if they were in the original version, then that's over a decade before the Crimson King was even mentioned by name.  There's also some pretty damn strong allusions to the red-eyed figure on the cliff being Flagg--note that right after Glen described this dream to Stu, Stu had a dream with an identical figure in it, and several of the other characters did as well; yet it's apparent from the text that these are all the dark man, not someone else.
Personally, I don't think the Crimson King should be mentioned here at all. Ours18 05:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to agree; I can't remember the details exactly, but TowerWiki doesn't go as far to assert Crimson King references either. The red eye similarity may be the only thing worthy of note. Pomte 01:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Am I the only one... 

message: What is part 2 called officially? If I recall correctly the copy I read said On the Boarder, but I talked to someone whose copy says On the Border, so I figured it was a misprint. Pomte 06:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my copy of the complete and uncut edition Book II is called "On the Border." - Skinny McGee 16:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here. Ours18 17:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  My Hodder and Staunton 1989 copy, and "The Stand: The Complete And Uncut Edition" Random House 1993 copy (both dog-eared to death) say 'On the Border.' Ummm... see border and boarder --Shirt58 14:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Compare Google of  "On the Boarder" "Stephen King" "The Stand" with   "On the Border" "Stephen King" "The Stand".  I suggest that it's Res ipsa toni loquitur...--Shirt58 13:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the Boarder/On the Border 

message: In the Trivia section, it says that Stephen King had a case of writer's block which he solved by including the bomb.  However, there is no reference given for this.  There should be a reference given for this statement or it should be removed. Ccm043 16:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He said this in On Writing.--CyberGhostface 20:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I know there was the 23 cassette version released around 1987 narrated by Grover Gardner (which would have been the original/"cut" version).   What about the 1990 "Complete & Uncut version"? Are there any audiobook versions of that? Have any versions been released on CD? Antmusic 23:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Audiobook: Is there a ''The Stand: The Complete & Uncut Edition'' audiobook? 

message: I know its the first edition but can we get a different picture for the article? --ISeeDeadPixels 22:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book cover 

message: The article currently reads "changed the setting of the novel from 1975 to 1990" -- I could swear the original events were 1980 or 1981. When the book came out and I read it (I was in school then) the plague dates were still in the future, or so I recall. (I remember when the dates came along in the real world, thinking "this is when Captain Trips arrived in The Stand.") At least they were after the publication date, because it would be odd to write a book of this nature with a date already in the past. Unfortunately the only copy I own is the Uncut version with the new dates (and wow, they did a crappy, half-assed job of updating it -- so many anachronisms. I don't know why they bothered), so I can't verify what the original one said. A quick Google search didn't help much. Can someone with access to the original version check this? ManekiNeko | Talk 23:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing this out. In the article though, the introduction says only that the original timeline was set in 1985 whereas the section on anachronisms in the updated version only states the 1980 setting of the first edition. Could you please elaborate that sections with those details? --92.75.4.225 (talk) 10:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of the events in the original version? 

message: Since the articles about characters are redirected to the article about the book/TV event, can we safely remove the links from the headings of the character sections?
Bolman Deal 19:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, all links should be removed because the character descriptions here suffice, and I don't think any of the characters are notable enough for their own articles except Randall Flagg per WP:FICT. –Pomte 23:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilinks in headings 

message: The british TV series Survivors by Terry Nation (of Dr. Who fame) shares an incredible number of similarities to The Stand - see its Wikipedia article to see what I mean. Esentially it's a post-apocalyptic scenario where a virus wipes out 99.9 percent of humanity, and follows the survivors on a quest to rebuild society. The series ran from 1975-1977 and The Stand was published in 1978. Some of the supporting characters are almost identical, as well as themes of benevolent vs. opressive societies (though no supernatural themes). I think it would be worth putting in a note suggesting King was likely inspired by this series, but I'm not sure where to stick it. Any suggestions, comments? Toaster917 23:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any reliable sources that say King was inspired by Survivors? Although some similarities are obvious, the article can't have a claim that is too speculative. –Pomte 23:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Survivors]] 

message: Much of the stuff in Trivia seems to be worthy of better treatment in the article.  A section on "the writing of..." that covers the writer's block.  The books relation ship to the Dark Tower.  The differences between the two editions. (John User:Jwy talk) 01:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a shot.  I'm not completely satisfied with it - and we need some citations, but I think its a good start. (John User:Jwy talk) 01:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: In my work on the Dark Tower portal, I have created a list of books connected to the Dark Tower lore. In my own mind, as a reader, I have always felt that, within the scope of the saga of Roland Deschain, The Stand and The Stand: The Complete and Uncut Edition are separate incidents, used to highlight that there are "other worlds than these" which might be considered so similar as to be almost indiscernible from one another. To me, this was underscored in the Dark Tower novel, Wizard and Glass, when the ka-tet stumbles into a parallel Kansas and finds a newspaper discussing yet a third date for "Captain Tripps" (the original novel took place in 1980, and the rewrite in 1990; the date on the newspaper in W&G is 1996). Regardless of what King may have originally intended, art is interpretative once it is made public (just look at how people interpret the works of DaVinci).
I post this here, because what I interpret in my own reading is one thing, but to actually write it that way in encyclopedic form may not appropriate. Any thoughts, anyone?  Michealb1969 09:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Tower question 

message: This page redirects from Donald Elbert.  Donald Elbert is listed under the University of Louisville People page as the inventor of Astro Turf and links to this page.
136.165.111.184 20:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the link from List of University of Louisville people.  The actual Donald Elbert mentioned in the list does not have an article. - Skinny McGee 21:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donald Elbert 

message: The main article states that Arnette, Texas is a fictional town.  Below that is a photograph of a shack with the label Arnette, Texas.  If it is fictional, should the picture be removed or at least a more appropriate title be given, like "Rural Texan town, similar to the fictional town of Arnette"? Kwyjibear 19:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's some equally fictional liberties taken with real geography.  I-80 doesn't go through either Idaho or Oregon, while Brighton CO is on the opposite side of I-25 from Boulder. Mr Larrington (talk) 12:13, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arnette, Texas 

message: Interesting.  Does the second version change the spelling of the name?  I have the first version and its Abagail. (John User:Jwy talk) 15:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the 'complete and uncut' edition her name is spelled 'Abagail'. - Skinny McGee 16:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: If another fan is willing, I'd love to see more in the article about Abagail, with a separate page about her. I have only seen the TV series and have not read the book and would not be able to give an authoritative account. Wabatl (talk) 16:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Previously Mother Abagail was merged into this article precisely because there wasn't enough material published about her in third-party sources for her to merit her own article. If that's changed, cool, but I'll admit upfront that I'm pretty dubious. Doniago (talk) 18:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Agagail/Abigail

message: The article stated previously the evil is represented by logic, rationality, law and order and technology in King's vision. But Flagg(evil) doesn't represent them; he will attract those whom he needs most, but that DOES NOT MEAN he represents those things. He participated in anti-government moves, he's irrational and driven by impulse(he threw Nadine out of the window) and he uses magic. he rather attracts those who like destruction and power.
Minsiko (talk) 05:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Randall Flagg

message: This quote is too long, and needs a reference. Jgm (talk) 12:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long quote re: Earth Abides 

message: Could some information regarding the character Whitney Horgan be put on here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.117.18 (talk) 04:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Whitney Horgan

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thread_title: Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

message: I feel this article could be improved with a "Critical Reception" section.  I'd like to know what critics thought about the book and how it was received by the general public.  Any major literary awards won should also be mentioned. Near the beginning of the article it states that "Many critics and fans see 'The Stand' as King's best work".  Unfortunately there's no elaboration or references to back up that statement.  Many articles about specific works of art have a "Reception" section included and I think it nearly always makes the article better. If anyone has information regarding critical reception of "The Stand" please include it in this article! Toadspring (talk) 21:48, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical Reception? 

message: The article mentions the Blue Oyster Cult song "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" as having been inspired by The Stand. The song came out 2 years before the book was published. The only connection is that the song was used in the miniseries. Shaffer71 (talk) 19:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And the final verse of the song is one of the quotations used as the epigraph for the novel. Ellsworth (talk) 03:24, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Don't Fear) The Reaper 

message: The article says it's a typo for "Aerosmith". I'm more inclined to believe it's writing around trademarks rather than a typo. Is there any evidence either way? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 15:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arrowsmith 

message: I've read the uncut book 3 or 4 times over the years, but I don't have any recolection of a character with a sword acting like a pirate. You sure he's in there? Herogamer (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't remember him either, but:  google books found him. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 17:34, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Rat Man? 

message: Thoughts on moving the Mother Abagail article here? The existing article is little more than a stub with one source, and that article has numerous issues currently and doesn't seem likely to be substantially improved upon (I'm open to being proved wrong!). I suppose there's the separate issue of whether the character descriptions in this article are too crufty, but that isn't the intended focus of this discussion. Doniago (talk) 14:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Doniago (talk) 17:39, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger Proposal - Mother Abagail 

message: This article is clearly too long, and it doesn't take much effort to see that most of this is because of the lengthy list of all the book's characters. If this is to remain it should be made into a "(list of) characters in The Stand" article. Even though I like a bit of synopsis/character info in book articles, clearly it shouldn't be the majority of the article. Richard001 (talk) 13:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the first two sections of the plot summary have been simplified to remove references to individual characters. To make it consistent I will do that to the third section. Ellsworth (talk) 23:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article length/character section 

message: Back in the Haight Ashbury days, long before this book was written, Jerry Garcia was given the nickname "Captain Trips." I've always wondered if this wasn't an in-joke on King's part. I've assumed that King figured that the people who died from the virus and didn't have to live through the aftermath were grateful they were dead. Anyone have a source for that? It's original research, so I wouldn't dare put it in the article. Helenabucket (talk) 15:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm almost entirely certain it is a Grateful Dead reference...but I'm not aware of any sourcing that firmly establishes it, unfortunately. Doniago (talk) 16:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain Trips/Grateful Dead 

message: Below information appears to consist largely of original research. Please feel free to reincorporate into the article with appropriate sourcing. Please note that Wikipedia articles should not contain lists of random "references" without sourcing establishing that reliable third-parties consider them significant. Thanks. Doniago (talk) 12:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced Material 

message: I realise this is a tiny thing, not connected with The Stand at all, but "The Lord Of The Rings" is one single story in three parts, and so referring to it as a trilogy is incorrect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.243.26 (talk) 21:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It would have been easier to just strike the word yourself.  I've done so. —Kerfuffler 18:40, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord Of The Rings 

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message: The plot description uses the phrase "100% contagious." Contagion is not measured by percent, and it's unclear what exactly this means. Is it trying to say that everyone who comes in contact with a diseased host contracts it?
Edit: oh, this is probably reference % infectivity.
128.148.231.34 (talk) 13:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percent contagious 

message: I took out the word "limerance" because it is not in common use; its WP article is a lot of hot air to "explain" a state of mind that is well understood with available vocabulary and is acknowledged by most talk comments there as being a lot of nonsense. The plot of "The Stand" on WP should be reasonably accessible to readers; having to link away to the dubious "limerance" article during the process is of no value. Everyone knows that "obsession" by a nerdy guy over a beautiful girl is a thing, a thing that doesn't need to be fussed up with a lot of psychobabble. Jhoughton1 (talk) 02:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limerance, phooey!