Talk:The Texas Chain Saw Massacre

message: Alright, so I'm thinking of giving the article another go at FAC soon. And some of the FACs seem to be highlighting a few problems.
*Prose (Requesting GoCE assistance now)
*Reference vetting
The last one for me, I cannot do too well, and also, because I don't think it's that much of an issue, I believe most of the sources cite what they're claiming to cite. If anybody else wants to highlight any issues feel free.--Tærkast (Discuss) 11:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a problem going through sources, but I don't have access to any of the non-website sources. I think that over time a lot of the information has been subtle tweaked by IPs to a point that it wasn't clear that it was vandalism, or just inaccurate so it was never corrected.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 13:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is anything major with the sources. Some of these problems may have been oversights on the part of me actually, but I don't think IPs have had much if anything to do with it, this article doesn't really get that much edits outside of an FAC.--Tærkast (Discuss) 14:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I reviewed the discussion of the last FAC process. DCGeist opposed because he was concerned that information in the article did not match the citations. Was there a review of the citations? I'm curious how many of the print sources were retrieved and vetted. Erik (talk | contribs) 17:29, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

text: There was probably minimal review at best. What would be the best course of action to take now? For the prose I've scheduled a GoCE request, for the refs, somebody better than me will need to take a look.--Tærkast (Discuss) 19:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have access to the offline information?   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 21:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I might if I go to my central library. Apart from that no, I gathered all of them using Google Scholar and Google Book searches.--Tærkast (Discuss) 11:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So the information was pulled from the preview options in Google Books? I'll check what I can through Google Scholar, but if you got it from Google Scholar you can still provide an external link to the application that holds the PDF.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 12:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Alright. Will see what I can do, although I think I might've only used Scholar for one of the Robin Wood sources.--Tærkast (Discuss) 14:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future FAC and issues 

message: What this article needs now is a complete and independent source review. Any ideas how we'd be able to get this? --Tærkast (Discuss) 14:22, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we can do all external sources ourselves. Books need to be done by the people that used them, and all scholarly reports can be done by people that have access to a university online library.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 18:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source review 

message: Narrated by John Larroquette 
can someone please include that?..the page is semi-protected  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoid Android1208 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Taerkast/Bignole, here's one decent cite I quickly found: http://www.avclub.com/articles/john-larroquette,2331/ —DCGeist (talk) 22:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Since he narrated only the introduction, should he be included in the infobox, or in the prose? --Tærkast (Discuss) 22:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say prose. I think "narrated by" indicates that you're generally doing it throughout the film, whereas he was merely reading a written message at the start of the film.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 23:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. It'll be added sometime. I don't have time to do it now.--Tærkast (Discuss) 23:11, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure where exactly to put it, probably in the casting section? --Tærkast (Discuss) 16:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narration 

message: I'm determined to make it an FA this year before I possibly retire from Wikipedia. So, in June, I'll try to do this, dunno what else needs to be done, possible source vetting if any, apart from that, the prose seems good, so anybody is free to suggest any other things which could be done. --Tærkast (Discuss) 21:21, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final FA attempt in June 

message: In themes and analysis, it only says that three men are killed in quick succession. This should be changed to four because, at the end of the movie, the hitchhiker is run down by a semi-truck quickly. Thank you.
75.220.112.92 (talk) 17:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mdann52 (talk) 18:16, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 3 August 2012 

message: I know we've been through quite a few of these before, so what's the harm in another one? --Tærkast (Discuss) 13:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA push 

message: In the plot section, the article links to wrong person. This part "Leatherface and the hitchhiker bring an old man, "Grandpa" (John Dugan), from upstairs to share the meal." It redirects to John C. Dugan not the actual actor John Dugan who played the role of Grandpa. There is no wiki page for the actor John Dugan so one should be made or the redirection to wrong Dugan removed.
Just thought it should be fixed to avoid confusion.Hitman731 (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done: Thanks for catching this. —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirecting to wrong person 

message: Anybody reckon it's ready for another FA attempt? I'd like it to be my magnum opus of Wikipedia as it were :) --Tærkast (Discuss) 13:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA attempt 

message: Could someone take a look at this source, and write about it for the "Themes" section?  It's an essay exploring various themes of the film, and the way the film potrays certain subjects etc. I'm not sure how to incorporate it adequately into the article. --Tærkast (Discuss) 22:37, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for themes 

message: So I had added a cast list to this article and it was deleted since the cast was mentioned in the plot. My argument for that is even though the cast is mentioned in the plot it is still helpful to have a cast list in the article as well.--Paleface Jack (talk) 20:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:MOSFILM#Cast, it is not mandated that a cast list exist. Given that the actors are in the plot, and a casting section exists, another list does not really serve any real purpose. If people just need a list, then they can go to IMDb.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 20:15, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast List 

message: It should be noted that the song "Chain Saw" by The Ramones should be added; The late Dee Dee Ramone was a fan of horror films such as TCM and Pet Sematary; Writer Stephen King was also a fan of the Ramones and used their 1989 song Pet Sematary in the 1989 film adaptation of the film of the same name. 
65.87.46.141 (talk) 00:23, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song ("Chain Saw") by the Ramones 

message: Does anyone know if at any point in the movie "Pam" is ever called "Pamela" as a full name? I noticed this at http://texas-chainsaw-massacre.wikia.com/wiki/Pam but I am not sure if that is an assumption by fans or if there is actually a quote in the script or end credits to confirm it. Ranze (talk) 23:07, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Pamela

message: I saw a version of this movie with soft soundtrack and an interview with Tobe Hooper while watching the movie.  He seemed to find much of the movie extremely funny, especially Leatherface's confusion at being invaded by the series of outsiders, and the dinner scene with the whole family mimicking Marilyn Burns' crying, the hitchhiker pretending to wipe his eyes.  Does anyone know if it was originally intended to be a comedy?  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 06:53, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Comedy

message: In the plot it says Jerry was killed by Leatherface. Actually, there is nothing in the film to suggest that Jerry was killed. Jerry enters the house and sees the freezer being rattled from the inside. He opens it and Pam looks up out of the freezer. Leatherface enters, hits Jerry with a hammer and pushes Pam back into the freezer and locks it. Remember, the hammer had never killed anyone else in the movie. It was always just the first step to killing them. So, Leatherface turns around after putting Pam back in the freezer and he is shocked. Jerry is gone. Frantically, Leatherface looks all over trying to find him. He looks out the window, but doesn't see him. He is visibly distressed that he lost Jerry. Jerry isn't seen again in the movie. Later in the movie, Drayton can tell Leatherface is distressed. Drayton says something along the lines of "What's wrong? Did you lose somebody?". Leatherface nervously replies "No." Remember these aren't exact quotes, this is just my recollection. It seemed clear to me that the movie implied that Jerry had gotten away. Or, in the very least, the movie could have intended it to be open to interpretation (I still think it's clear that Jerry was never killed by Leatherface). This should be fixed on Wikipedia. 107.77.218.38 (talk) 18:47, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jerry Wasn't Killed 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Please remove the word "about" from the parentheses in the first sentence of the second paragraph.  We're using a calculation that is accurate to the hundredth of a penny, so it's no longer an approximation.  Thank you. 2605:6000:6F80:CE00:C064:3CD8:5338:84E0 (talk) 05:51, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 08:01, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2018 

message: If anybody's willing to help, I want to make a push for it to be an FA. --Tærkast (Discuss) 17:31, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA attempt? 

message: Colombo crime family underboss John Franzese had a stake in the film. Anywhere this can be included? Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 04:19, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franzese 

message: true budget according to this link:catalog.afi.com/Film/55289-THE-TEXASCHAINSAWMASSACRE?sid=2b45f310-754c-44ad-ade7-6091938dba7a&sr=0.12366109&cp=1&pos=4 99.245.60.210 (talk) 02:49, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 04:49, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2020 

message: Id like to correct the box office according to this articlehttps://catalog.afi.com/Film/55289-THE-TEXASCHAINSAWMASSACRE?sid=9ea4a62c-53fc-45c6-99e6-aae6601e2353&sr=0.12366109&cp=1&pos=4. Yoshmin (talk) 20:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The current source for box office is widely used on Wikipedia and is considered reliable, accurate, and up to date. The box office data in the link you provide appears to be from 1974. We need to know why it should be considered more reliable than the current information in the article. Sundayclose (talk) 23:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2020 

message: The phrase "the killing of victims" needs to be removed. First, it is aesthetically retarded, and second, this film came nowhere close to originating the concept of depicting murder onscreen. 75.71.202.205 (talk) 21:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:29, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2021 

message: As I am currently working on the article for Leatherface, via a separate draft, I noticed that the production and release sections are underdeveloped in this article on the original film. There is so much information that exists on the film that is not mentioned here, from the film's production, to its marketing, all the way to the themes and legacy. I can add some info that I have come across that I will be using in the leatherface article but I really hope a more detailed expansion of the article on the original film is considered. Anyways, best of luck to you all. happy editing!--Paleface Jack (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: This is sort of a branch off from my previous mentioned post. While working on the Leatherface article I have come across a good number of literary sources that give a good amount of info not found in the article. I will list them below if anyone wants to check them out:
Literary
* 
* 
* - Gives a plethora of info that can be added to the article.
* - Has a lot of backdrop and backstory to the film.
* - Has a page or two on the family's cannibalism.
* 
* - More production background
Web
* https://web.archive.org/web/20180521031142/https://nypost.com/2016/09/21/how-a-cute-cartoon-duck-inspired-an-iconic-slasher-flick-villain/- Gives additional inspiration on Leatherface
* https://www.indiewire.com/2014/03/sxsw-tobe-hooper-on-why-audiences-get-texas-chain-saw-massacre-better-now-than-when-it-was-first-released-28993/
*https://classic-horror.com/newsreel/marilyn_burns_texas_chain_saw_massacre_interview.html
*http://www.terrortrap.com/interviews/marilynburns/
Documentaries
* Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Shocking Truth- VERY good info on the background for the film.
--Paleface Jack (talk) 22:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: References to Add

message: At the beginning, there is an error in which horror should be replaced with slasher. I will defend this answer as slasher is a sub genre of horror, and also, it’s not very specific when you describe it as horror. 2601:846:8100:1D40:0:0:0:79E0 (talk) 13:22, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not an error, but slasher is more specific. I changed it. --Mvqr (talk) 13:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2022 

message: A sentence at the end of the summary caught my eye.
"Nowadays, the film has been criticized for it's(sic) acting, pacing, and it's(sic) treatement(sic) towards it's(sic) female characters portraying them as being helpless."
This sentence is poorly written, contains three grammatical errors, one spelling mistake, is contentious at best and inflammatory at worst, and is poorly sourced. It should be removed altogether. 2600:8804:678F:1700:BD10:790A:284:7D63 (talk) 04:10, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Very much agree. A generic claim poorly phrased. 2606:A800:D183:9500:6CB5:DC2D:158A:C04D (talk) 01:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Summary 

message: There is absolutely zero mention of the significance of the planet Saturn, both in terms of the film's script, as well as the film's core thematics on the whole.
I would like to author an addition to this Wiki article that explains why acknowledging the significance of Saturn is crucial to understanding this film's raison d'être at its core.
Merely from a script perspective, the film quite literally opens with the following lines of dialogue from Pam.
17 min 57 sec
PAM:
“The condition of retro gradation is contrary or inharmonious to the regular direction of actual movement in the zodiac, and is in that respect, evil.”
“Hint: When malefic planets are in retrograde, and Saturn is malefic, their maleficies are increased.”
“Jerry, it just means Saturn's a bad influence. It's just particularly bad influence now, because it's in retrograde.”
“Oh, no. Capricorn is ruled by Saturn!”
“There are moments where we cannot believe that what's happening is really true... pinch yourself and you may find out that it is.”
———
Then, when things start to get funky, we see mention of Saturn again with the following dialogue from Franklin.
42 min 38 sec
FRANKLIN (to Sally):
“Did you believe all that stuff Pam was telling about? Saturn, and retrograde, and all that?” 93minerva93 (talk) 00:37, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absence of the Significance of Saturn  

message: mention the 4k Blu ray releases from Second Sight, and Dark Sky in "Post Release" section. Nj2007ir (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Urro[talk][edits] ⋮  15:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024 

message: This is more of a notice so that any editors are aware, I am currently working on expanding the article in a separate userspace, updating citations and generally expanding the information not covered here. Though it might be some time before I will transfer all that into this main page, anyone that follows this article and loves contributing feel free to message me if you want to pitch in. Happy editing. Paleface Jack (talk) 19:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion and FA Prep 

message: This scholarly source is the first of its kind. Jackson's research focuses on the political economy of oil and the Gulf Oil corporation, and grounds its argument in close readings of the film's metonymic juxtapositions of the motorists' desire for gasoline and the Sawyer family's desire for blood:
https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/pdf/10.7227/GS.10.1.6 Black Film Archival Scholarship (talk) 15:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, Considering I am working on expanding it in a separate userspace I might add this. However that might not be, considering there is so much information and it is easy to get excessive in scope. Overlength is a thing. Paleface Jack (talk) 20:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Blood for Oil: Crude Metonymies and Tobe Hooper's Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)," by Chuck Jackson