Wikipedia talk:Pokémon Adoption Center/Archive2

message: The first goal has NOT been reached.
:User:ErezR has discovered a lot of articles that were not listed as pokémon stubs.  This has effectively pushed us back, and now it's crunch time.  In order to make our goals now...  well, you can see for yourself.  Almafeta 23:14, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh man...*sigh*...but still, it's true we should do the best job possible. I'll try as hard as I can. Sinistro 23:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I put in the list only unexpanded articles I discovered in the 3rd Generation. There should be more in the other 2 Gens, so I'll list them as soon as possible. I don't mean to make it harder for you, but the expansion process should be as thorough as possible. I've checked and corrected almost all the Name Origins of the Pokemon according to what I know (which is quite a lot), and even corrected a few of you guys' works. If you need some help, I'll be here. Assign me to whatever article you'd like. --ErezR 23:29, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Uhmm...  You're aware some of these aren't stubs, right?  Almafeta 19:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Goals

message: We've already done 50/month, as the original goals specified...  now that so many old articles have been re-classified as stubs, realistically, we need to come up with new goals.  I came up with the old goals, so considering the old 50/month standard:
*Have 200 stubs left by the end of July.
*Have 150 stubs left by the end of August.
*Have 100 stubs left by the end of September.
*Have 50 stubs left by the end of October.
*Have no stubs left by the end of November.
Do these goals seem reasonable to everyone?  Almafeta 06:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not. It does seem a long time to go, but 50 stubs a monh is not to be sneezed at, so I think our fellow Wikipedians can extend their patience for 40 more days, especially if we show them we keep at our purpose. Sinistro 16:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed new goals

message: When we reorganised our goals in mid-late July, I combined July and August, as it seemed unfair to expect everyone to do a month's worth of work in 12 days (or whatever).  Amazingly, we pulled it off, and with time to spare!  You guys rock!
It does leave us with a dilemma about what to do with August's goal, though.
We could...
1). Go through August without a goal.  In my opinion, not a good solution.  Although the stats are not critical to our mission, it's pretty clear that they boost morale and productivity.
2). Have August (and the last 3 days of July) count toward September.  We'd get way ahead of ourselves.
3). Split July and August back into 2 seperate months.  This seems to be the best way to go.  I've already reoganised the goals section on the main page for this.
So, that's where we are.  If anybody has any objections, feel free to voice them.  And great job this month!  Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:09, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
:Couldn't agree more. Actually, I'd have done it myself, had we not finished today. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 12:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  August goal 

message: I have noticed that no one has created an article on Pichu, or even a short article (stub). So is anyone going to create it? - Nick C 15:21, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Pichu? 

message: Unfortunately, after becoming an admin over at the Interlingua wikipedia (and the only active admin period), I'm going to have to cut out of constant.  Simply put, translating a Wiki interface without documentation and maintaining an entire wiki against vandalism, as well as expanding it, is difficult!
I'll still destubbify an article now and then when I can.  But I'm afraid I'll have to drop from #2 to just somewhere in the top 10.
Thank you for putting so much work into my old Poképrosal comment -- this is what this kind of thing is all about!  Almafeta 03:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Best of luck with ia:. You've done a lot of great work here, and I'm sure you'll do the same there. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 03:27, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Congratulations on your new post! Good luck with your new tasks and thanks for giving inspiration for the PAC. Sinistro 15:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arevider-vos! 

message: I just wanted to let you all know that  has been nominating several Gym Leaders for VfD. These include Brawly, Chuck, and Bugsy. A Man In Black has also been redirecting character pages, like Maxie, to the Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire page, thus destroying the work on Maxie's page. Please vote in the VfDs to try to save them from deletion! Ryan 11:43, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
Links to the related VfD debates...
* Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Bugsy (Pokémon)
* Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Chuck (Pokémon)
* Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Brawly (Pokémon)
*Thanks so much for informing us, Ryan.  I've placed links to these debates on the main PAC page as well.  I urge all our members and friends to vote and let your voices be heard! Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:43, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
**He's just merged them into one big article, disregarding pokemon info with no discussion or consensus. I've reverted. --Celestianpower talk 12:50, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To keep this page from bloating and distracting from usual business as well as keep the dialogue from being fragmented across a half-dozen pages, let's continue this discussion at Talk:List of Johto Gym Leaders. The mergeto tags I will be adding to the gym leader articles in question will be pointing there, and that talk page already has links to all of the fragmentary debates. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:15, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gym Leaders Up For VfD 

message: After cleaning up stubs on the individual pokémon, why not move on to other stubs related to the Pokéverses?
More than just creating a numbered list, we'd also have some problems to work on...  for example, there's no consistency among the pokémon movie articles now.  Additionally, when to consider a character minor (such as Duplica, who only appears in one episode of the TV show) and when to consider major (such as gym leaders, who appear in virtually every multimedia form that Pokémon are produced in).
Well, how about it?  Who wants to make this the new Wiki-30px?  Almafeta 13:24, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pages to clean up after species. 

message: Since almost all of the stubs have been expanded to articles, it's time to take a look at the articles and start getting them up to encyclopedic, cleaned-up shape. (This is setting aside the issue of expanding articles about Pokémon subjects that are not themselves Pokémon species.)
Some random thoughts...
#The infobox may need revising. This is discussed above.
#Trivia/Pokédex lists need to be incorporated into the body of the article.
#Likewise, quote lists (which I've seen in a couple articles) belong on Wikiquote.
#The introductions are often woefully incomprehensible to a reader who isn't already familiar with Pokémon.
#Some of the articles still have cutesy color tags. These need to be removed.
#Remove egg groups, TM/HM compatability, other things considered too technical.
#Change the pronunciations to IPA style
Anyone notice any other standing issues? Feel free to add your own thoughts to the list above. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 16:40, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Too often, I see lists of TM/HM compatability and egg groups. How on earth is a lay reader supposed to know what those are? --Celestianpower hab 16:49, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to agree in regards to TM/HM compatability, but egg groups might be useful. It's quite simple to explain, and could easily just go into the infobox. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 19:25, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

text: The egg groups might be relevant, since they seem to be the 'genus' to the individual species.  I'd say egg move lists, move tutor lists, TM/HM compatability lists, and trainer lists are all too in-depth.  Almafeta 20:12, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, we could probably get a bot to clean out all the color tags...  Almafeta 20:15, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a big deal. Moving over to a new template infobox will do the job for us, since the old infobox is a raw table cut and pasted into each article. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 23:15, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I knew I was forgetting something. I added the switchover to the IPA pronunciation, which is long overdue. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:14, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You could probably do away with that line entirely.  I mean, how often will someone actually use it?  Keeping it at its current 'english-esque' system won't be helpful, but changing to IPA will just be just as unhelpful and will require Unicode support.  Almafeta 20:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. I'll do that. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 23:15, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next step: Cleanup 

message: Right, I went ahead and did it! I have now created the Pokémon Wikiportal. Find it here. Please expand it and do what you like to it and nominate collaborations of the Week. --Celestianpower hab 18:57, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiportal launched! 

message: I moved both of the discussions about merging the Gym Leader stubs to archive as this page was getting pretty large, but I don't want to be stifling discussion. I still invite everyone to Talk:List of Johto Gym Leaders to discuss (not) merging the Gym Leader stubs into lists, especially since right now it's just Celestianpower, a passer-by, and me who've commented. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 16:14, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved some bloat, but didn't want to stifle discussion