Talk:John Murphy (Australian politician, born 1950)

message: Refs for the whine about the stingy portions of stroganoff served up to his wife ignited derision and disbelief across Sydney ... + apology:
*http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/annabel-crabb/stroganoff-affair-mp-says-sorry/2008/09/18/1221330977822.html
*http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/mps-beef-over-size-of-wifes-stroganoff/2008/09/17/1221330870702.html
*http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24364908-661,00.html
*http://www.theage.com.au/national/beef-stroganoff-mp-says-sorry-20080918-4j11.html
The incident generated short term reactions - need to see if it develops --Matilda talk 02:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stroganoff affair references 

message: *As per discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#Australian political scandals - Stroganoff affair? .  --Matilda talk 06:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In September 2008 Murphy complained to Parliament that his wife received an inadequate portion of beef stroganoff, that she had bought from the parliamentary cafeteria.[cite] Murphy subsequently apologized for the misuse of parliamentary time following concerns raised by the media and fellow parliamentarians.[cite] 
*support Noting it will haunt him for a while as per the 6 October article which mentioned it in the context of his support for Australian made pianos per his parliamentary secretary role. --Matilda talk 06:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger from Stroganoff affair article 

message: Surely this guy must have achieved more than complain about food. What has Murphy achieved while in office? --Surturz (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I'm actually looking into that atm, but illness has somewhat limited me temporarily. If anyone else has the time or a nearby library, look up Who's Who in 2007, that's an amazingly good source for turning out basic factual articles. Orderinchaos 12:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just recently -  --Flewis(talk) 12:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Surturz wanted to know what he's done, not yet more ways to defame the guy. A factual basis from somewhere like Who's Who would be a good start. Look at Terry Mills for an example of what you can do with that sort of a source. Orderinchaos 12:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

text: With reference to positions held in the Government since 2007, I have been of the opinion for a while that only official sources should be used - that is, things such as the Hansard Index and the Gazette. This Government Gazette, published on 3 December 2007, was the one legitimising the Government and lists Murphy as Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Trade (that being Simon Crean). The Commonwealth gazette is very hard to use online, but I have managed to determine there are no subsequent notices to June 2008. It should be noted the media have a very poor understanding of executive officers to Parliament, so the Gazette should trump them every time (i.e. if it says he's the Prime Minister's parliamentary secretary, one would have to note Anthony Byrne already fills that role.) Orderinchaos 14:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What else has this pollie done? 

message: Unfortunately the stroganoff affair dominates google searches.  Who's Who is sort of OK but you do realise it is in effect an autobiography - the subject submits his own material and there is no verification!  For my mind it can only ever be a starting point and never a reliable source - not even as to which school somebody went to. 
*http://news.sbs.com.au/worldnewsaustralia/media_laws_pass_shakeup_looms_121444 : Media laws - he was against amendments that did pass Labor backbencher John Murphy told parliament the laws would lead to a stranglehold on media ownership and give the Packer family everything the late media mogul Kerry Packer had ever wanted.
**http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/fielding-cops-a-flogging/2006/10/18/1160850997060.html THE Labor MP John Murphy would have been equally comfortable behind a pulpit yesterday as he castigated the Family First senator Steve Fielding for supporting the media laws in the Senate last week. </br>Both Murphy, from the Sydney seat of Lowe, and Fielding, are religious men. However, Murphy hates the media laws to the extent that last week he called for the Prime Minister, John Howard, and the Minister for Communications, Helen Coonan, to be flogged.
*http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/11/1052591675517.html in 2003 he was Mr Crean's parliamentary secretary and one of eight MPs in the 15-member NSW Right group loyal to Mr Crean
**http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/27/1059244485900.html supporting Crean on Badgery's creek airport issue
*http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/therapeutic-cloning-bill/2006/12/07/1165081069973.html he voted against the Therapeutic cloning bill in December 2006
**http://www.smh.com.au/news/Gerard-Henderson/Terminating-debate-snubs-democracy/2005/02/07/1107625131318.html Last week interest was raised about a meeting of religious leaders - Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus - in Sydney. The discussion was attended by some federal politicians - Senator Ron Boswell (National), Alan Cadman (Liberal), senator-elect Steve Fielding (Family First) and Senator Brian Harradine (independent). Labor's John Murphy was to attend but was ill. The religious leaders found common ground in calling for more information about abortions and for restrictions on late-term abortions.
**http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/25/1032734210094.html in 2002 Labor today threatened to create gridlock in parliament unless the government gagged a small handful of MPs blocking laws allowing stem cell research on IVF embryos. As debate on the bill passed 35 hours, Labor frontbencher and tactician Wayne Swan accused the small number of MPs voicing opposition to the bill of filibustering. Chief among the villains, he said, were Liberal backbenchers Chris Pyne (LP, SA) and Alan Cadman (LP, NSW), who were dragging out debate on a number of amendments which faced certain defeat in a vote.... But Attorney-General Daryl Williams agreed debate was being stymied by only a small number of MPs. "The Member for Mitchell (Mr Cadman) has spoken 10 times, the Member for Lowe (John Murphy) has spoken 17 times, the Member for Perth (Stephen Smith) has spoken six times, I've spoken eight times," he said.  
**http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/why-the-money-was-on-the-obscene/2006/02/17/1140151809831.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2 various bills including abortion pill debate - Only five Labor MPs, all men, were among the losers on all three votes. They were: Tony Burke, Chris Hayes and John Murphy from NSW; and Victoria's Gavin O'Connor and Anthony Byrne. ... The Liberals' Ian Macfarlane, a Howard minister from Brisbane, put the winning argument simplest: "This is not a vote for or against abortion. It is a vote about choice; about a medically approved option, not a political response. Why are we thinking about leaving a complex medical decision to a politician or a parliament? This is a matter for a woman, her family and her doctor." The Parliament agreed overwhelmingly.
*http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gillard-supports-the-big-man-with-a-big-heart/2005/09/16/1126750129176.html In 2005 The MP for Lowe, John Murphy, said the former Right faction powerbroker Robert Ray had alluded to the existence of a dirt file on Mr Latham in 2003.
**http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/beazley-exploiting-daughters-latham/2005/09/19/1126981974825.html and a follow up from Latham 
**http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/06/1070625578172.html -  Though in 2003 he was presumably singing a different tune - Labor's John Murphy won it last time with a close primary vote of 45 per cent to 42 per cent. Mr Latham's instant appeal to voters is revealed in the 46 per cent primary vote for Labor in the seat, compared to the Liberals' 35 per cent.
**http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sauce/Ashton-circus-row-over-house-facelift/2004/12/03/1101923332307.html not sure I get the peice under Barbecue Stopper that refers to Murphy and Latham and journalists from The Australian
*http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/MP-says-Sydney-airport-security-in-chaos/2006/04/06/1143916604589.html - views on Corby case vis a vis Sydney airport security
*http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/07/1097089482540.html http://www.smh.com.au/news/federalelection2007news/star-spanking-manor/2007/10/24/1192941158483.html - local election issues don't help the article in my view
*http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/rudd-gives-his-reasons-why/2007/11/29/1196037047516.html?page=fullpage named as parliamentary secretary to the Minister for Trade in November 2007.
*http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/07/1065292577171.html?from=storyrhs accused of distributing misinformation by Abbott
--Matilda talk 20:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: With reference to positions held in the Government since 2007, I have been of the opinion for a while that only official sources should be used - that is, things such as the Hansard Index and the Gazette. This Government Gazette, published on 3 December 2007, was the one legitimising the Government and lists Murphy as Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Trade (that being Simon Crean). The Commonwealth gazette is very hard to use online, but I have managed to determine there are no subsequent notices to June 2008. It should be noted the media have a very poor understanding of executive officers to Parliament, so the Gazette should trump them every time (i.e. if it says he's the Prime Minister's parliamentary secretary, one would have to note Anthony Byrne already fills that role.) Orderinchaos 14:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Start to collect sources