Talk:Space Shuttle program/Archive 1

message: Info on Current shuttle mission?
This isn't a news site or a blog.  Why should an encyclopedia entry mention the current mission of a shuttle?  The launch after grounding is certainly something one can mention, but it isn't a very big deal in light of the entire history of the shuttle.  
Too much page space.  Too contemporary.
Agreed.  The part about Discovery seems to have just been thrown in there, out of order with everything else.  Not only that, but other sections of the article reference the recently finished mission in the future and present tenses.  Marked for attention.  --128.118.40.76 18:20, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've pretty much wiped that section, replaced it with a line saying the program is currently grounded. Perhaps we need a "future" section under "Usage"? Shimgray 21:09, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Discovery Mission?

message: This page needs a new title IMHO. Space shuttle is a general term that would also apply to the Soviet Shuttle Buran. Since this article is all about the US space shuttle, perhapse it should be renamed NASA space shuttle or something like that (does it have a real name?), while Space shuttle should deal with shuttles in general and point to the spscific models. -- stewacide
: Right from the moment I found this page, I was figuring the sensible thing would be to have this article at Space Shuttle, and a generic shuttle article at space shuttle. On the other hand, there'd be sure to be some links going to the wrong place sooner or later, so perhaps a longer title like that (well, more like NASA Space Shuttle, I think) would be appropriate. -- John Owens 09:18 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::Would NASA space shuttle or NASA Space Shuttle be better? Are there any other possibilities? (United States Space Shuttle looks/sounds weird IMHO). -- stewacide
::: I don't think it would look quite right to capitalize "Space" but not "shuttle". Both or neither, I would say. -- John Owens 16:35 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::::It depends on whether NASA considers "Space Shuttle" the name of the vehicle, or just a descriptive term. I'll look around the NASA web-site and see what I can dig up... -- stewacide
:::::...I went to the NASA website and they can't seem to make up their minds either. Most of the time it seems to be capatailzed, but on some pages (e.g. ) it's not. Also, as far as I can tell it's never once refered to as the NASA space shuttle, but on a few pages (e.g. those compareing it to foreign craft) they call it the United States space shuttle.
I'm leaning towards United States space shuttle, any thoughts? -- stewacide 17:39 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Space Shuttle program gives ~25,000 in google. I'm thinking about NASA's Space Shuttle program (gives ~1800). -- Rotem Dan 18:43 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
:I like Space Shuttle program too, but I don't know if it's specific enough. Perhapse United States Space Shuttle program would do it? -- stewacide
:: this gives only 69 in google --Rotem Dan
A "space shuttle" is a type of a reusable spacecraft. But "Space Shuttle [program]" (capitalized) appears to be the name of NASA's program for launching reusable spacecrafts (I think). Shuttle Buran ("snowstorm" in russian) was created in response to NASA's Space Shuttle program -- Rotem Dan 19:12 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
:So are you suggesting we use Space Shuttle program? I guess that works - I just wish NASA would give their program a less general name. It's like if Ford decided to name their next car "Car" - it's just confusing :) -- stewacide
:: I am confused myself, I don't know for sure. But Wikipedia has articles about the Viking program, Apollo program, Lunar Orbiter program, Voyager program, Mariner program etc. so I guess Space Shuttle program makes sense in this terminology. -- Rotem Dan 19:42 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I've found another name Space Transportation System (gives 9970 google results, see 
However, this is the name for the international endevour. -- Rotem Dan 19:42 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
:I don't think anyone will find it if we call it that. I'm cool with Space Shuttle program if you are. -- stewacide 15:37 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I updated the information about the shuttle mission naming schemes, but it seems a little long for where it is.  Should we move it down to its own section? --Jwolfe 19:41, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Title of article

message: It might be nice to have some info on the Shuttle-C, but I can't think of a good way to fit it in. Maybe it should even be in a separate article? --NeuronExMachina 01:38, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone wrote a stub about the Shuttle-C.  I expanded it a little and linked to it from here.--Chairboy 16:23, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shuttle-C 

message: I'm thinking of using the page "space shuttle" as a general term that includes a general definition of a space shuttle. "Space shuttle" should not be redirected to this article as the Soviet-made Buran is also known as a space shuttle. --Andylkl 12:37, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Space shuttles generally

message: This article seems somewhat editorial to me.  I have just made some edits that may help a bit, but we must be sure to word this section as a discussion of others' opinions, not of our own opinions.  For example:
*"Even simple tasks now require unbelievable amounts of paperwork."  Unbelievable by whom?  Can we just say "tremendous amounts"?  Tremendous compared to what?
*"Perhaps the most annoying aspect of the shuttle system is the Air Force participation." Annoying to whom?  Can this be replaced by "regrettable" or does this just beg the question "regrettable by whom?"
--Doradus 18:00, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
"Tremendous amounts" according to NASA insiders. The joke goes, the stack of paper is as hi as the Shuttle before it's OKd to launch.  Trekphiler 11:41, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV in "The Shuttle in retrospect"

message: I am new, so someone add the events of Armageddon (with bruce willis) to the shuttle in fiction section?
Apollo 13 is also missing. . . .  -- Juicy 08:36, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I may be missing something, but why would it be there anyway? Shimgray 17:18, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no mention of or relevance to Apollo 13 in regards to the shuttle.  Armageddon is now listed in the fictional, perhaps this item should be removed from talk.--Chairboy 16:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Shuttle in Fiction

message: I stumbled upon a 1984 treaty between France and the US  arranging for emergency landings in Hao, Tuamotu archipelago, French Polynesia. The US government could send crews etc. suitable to prepare for emergency landings.
Have crews ever been pre-positioned on Hao? Are they still? David.Monniaux 06:57, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Polynesia might have been a possible location for a suborbital abort from Canaveral, or possibly for a launch out of Vandenburg.  If it was negotiated, I'd like to look more into the circumstances; but the current abort modes are laid out for all to see; and Polynesia is not on that list.  --Alexwcovington (talk) 07:45, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about the circumstances, but the treaty was signed. Hao is also listed as a possible emergency landing in this FAQ. David.Monniaux 16:28, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Source document from NASA is SHUTTLE SYSTEMS DESIGN CRITERIA VOLUME I - SHUTTLE PERFORMANCE ASSESSMENT DATABOOK (REVISION B MARCH 16, 1999). The relevant entry for Hao can be seen at  (search for "hao atoll"). I am not sure whether this is a maintained document or one that is historic. I have doubts on its currency since it lists RAF Brize Norton and the current designated emergency site is RAF Fairford (see main article).  --Silver149 07:50, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emergency landings in French Polynesia 

message: Here is a NASA link for the NON SECRET Military Space Shuttle http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Shuttlebib/ch11.html 
I think it will be impossible to find an official source for the TOP SECRET Space Shuttle. Here is what I posted before which got deleted.  I heard it
through the grapevine :
There are rumours about a non-civilian Space Shuttle, which was in use during cold war era until the middle of the first Clinton legislature. There are also rumours about the secret spaceship being back on duty with newest technologies on board, since the second legislature of US-President George W. Bush.
: This is, to put it mildly, pretty damn nonsensical - that link's part of a bibliography on the development of the Shuttle (in which military input played a major role) and certainly not a source for anything. There is no plausible basis for any rumours about a secret militarised Shuttle - it simply could not have been kept secret and operational at the same time in the US - and more to the point, there are hardly even any rumours!
: It's not encyclopedic material; had these rumours reached common currency, perhaps, or had they been sourced or debated. But this isn't the place to dump any random bit of cruft that someone mumbled about on Slashdot one day. Shimgray 13:21, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "random bit of cruft"?! It was on "West Wing"! (OK, Aaron was probably sucking mushrooms at the time, but...)  Trekphiler 11:44, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Military Space Shuttle & TOP SECRET Military Space Shuttle

message: This article has been linked to by a Slashdot article, along with the Crew Exploration Vehicle article. -Eisnel 23:39, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Slashdot effect|Slashdotted]] 

message: Is it just me, or is there a lot of that going on in this article?
:Please sign your messages with ~~~~ (and consider getting a login while you're at it.  Do you have some specific areas that you think should be edited down?  It would definately be more helpful if you could give us a target.  There is, after all, a lot going on with the shuttle...  - Chairboy 14:31, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repetitiveness? 

message: We do have an article for the Space Shuttle Discovery, and in light of this I would really like know why all the information pertaining to Discovery's current mission is on this page instead of the Discovery proper page. TomStar81 07:19, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: For that, it should really be on STS-114, the page for the actual mission... Shimgray 12:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The bottom line is that it should not be on this page, there are other pages more suited for it. TomStar81 02:01, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discovery

message: I replaced the plume shadow image with a higher resolution version that I obtained from this NASA page. I adjusted the levels and contrast on the NASA original a bit, but have I gone too far? -- Balster neb 08:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A beautiful picture.  Your editing looks great, does not appear to introduce or suggest anything false. - Chairboy 14:37, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  High-res plume shadow photo 

message: 68.21.127.246 modified the article to say that the HP-65 was the first programmable calc used on the shuttle.  After a quick search I found many references  stating the contrary - that the HP-41 was indeed the first calc used on the shuttle.  So I reverted their edit.  --Dan East 03:22, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
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I am so far not able to locate the name of command module and when it is used and its construction features. Similarly on the first recovery test with an austronat. Neither I have seen any details on Russian trial of recovery with two dogs.' Can somebody give these details.
--Dore chakravarty 20:53, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  HP 41 

message: I just changed some text that asserted the shuttle was the first partially reusable spacecraft.  I qualified it to say "orbital spacecraft" to account for the X-15. Putting a note here in case anyone wants to challenge me to a FIGHT TO THE DEATH on the matter. Bleaargh! - CHAIRBOY (☎) 18:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: First reusable spacecraft

message: I think that all space programs may restart using a CREWLESS (old) Space Shuttle. 
And, with a crewless Shuttle, also the new lunar missions can be ready to start in HALF TIME and at HALF COST. 
I expose the crewless Shuttle at http://www.gaetanomarano.it/spaceShuttle/spaceshuttle.html
The crewless Shuttle is better than the (theoric) Shuttle-C because it is not "automated" but remote-controlled and REUSABLE up to 200 TIMES (total flight for the three Shuttles) while the Shuttle-C burns in atmosphere after each mission.
:The "my idea" part is a good reason to avoid integrating any of this into the main article, see WP:NOR. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 01:32, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The CREWLESS (old) Space Shuttle 

message: This section repeats several often heard statements about development and operational cost. Unfortunately these are apparently wrong, according to testimony given at the Columbia Accident Investigation Board hearings. In those hearings shuttle program manager Bob Thompson testified that ultimate development and operational costs were very close to the earliest official projections. You can read a verbatim transcript here: 
He also discusses the myth that the Air Force "forced" certain shuttle requirements on NASA.
Also, this statement seems misleading: "One reason behind this apparent failure appears to be inflation...This magnified the development costs of the Shuttle."
Inflation does not increase actual costs; the number simply increases. It's not like gas prices going up. You don't judge the accuracy of a budgetary projection based on inflation (or deflation). It's true many people perceive inflation as increasing actual costs, but the article should be about what IS, not about what people believe. Joema 06:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costs section possibly needs revising 

message: This statement: "The original silica-based ceramic tiles need to be removed for inspection for damage after every flight" is totally wrong. The tiles are not removed after each flight. Joema 07:12, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right.  Remember, this is the encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit, feel free to fix it yourself next time you see something like that! :)  I have repaired the text in question. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 07:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tile statement wrong 

message: In addition to my above suggestion about revising the "Costs" section, numerous areas in the history and other sections should probably be revised. The article repeats many "traditional wisdom" items about the shuttle, but in many cases these are wrong, or inconsistent with authoritative statements. I'll be happy to make these changes, but they're sufficiently extensive it's better to discuss first.
Examples:
Wikipedia: "NASA...in desperation...went to the Air Force...demanding a large increase in capability to allow for launching their projected spy satellites...land at the launch site (unlike NASA), the spacecraft would also require the ability to maneuver significantly...the Air Force-imposed capabilities that most seriously hobbled the Shuttle system have never been used."
Shuttle program manager Bob Thompson specifically said this is a myth -- it wasn't forced on NASA by the Air Force. Thompson: "NASA did not put cross range in the vehicle because the Air Force forced us to, NASA did it because it was the right way to build the vehicle...We wanted cross range for abort capability during launch...requirements for the shuttle were driven 99 percent by what we wanted to do to support the space station. It also happened to give the Air Force the kind of payload volume, the kind of capability they wanted"
Wikipedia: "a high launch rate was needed to make the system economically feasible...roughly one or two a week"
This conflicts with Thompson's statement: "Hell, anyone reasonably knew you weren't going to fly 50 times a year...We never thought you'd ever get above 10 or 12 flights a year."
Wikipedia: "The project was already to take longer than originally anticipated due to the year-to-year funding caps."
This conflicts with Thompsons's statement: "In Dec 1971...that letter said...we'll probably fly it in early 1981. That was in the document.'
References:
* CAIB Transcript 4-23-03
* CAIB Transcript site
Wikipedia: "Decisions to cut short-term development costs have resulted in a continued high-cost maintenance schedule."
The biggest reduction in development cost was eliminating the reusable flyback booster. It's very unlikely that increased maintenance, and in fact Thompson says pressing ahead with the flyback booster (even if funding was available) would have probably doomed the entire program. If this means reusable liquid fuel strap-on booster, that would increase, not decrease maintenance. It's unclear what short-term development costs were eliminated that resulted in high cost maintenance, or what the basis of that statement is.
Wikipedia: "Even simple changes require significant amounts of documentation. This paperwork results from the fact that, unlike current expendable launch vehicles, the Space Shuttle is manned and has no escape systems mode for most of the flight regime"
This conclusion isn't supported by other man-rated boosters. Apollo/Saturn had all-aspect abort, yet every tiny item in Apollo required meticulous documentation. It was a drag on development and greatly increased cost. Biographies by many principles including Von Braun, Tom Kelly (head of LM development), etc. mentioned this.
Wikipedia: "no abort modes...many pieces of hardware simply must function perfectly and so must be carefully inspected before each flight. The result is a massively inflated labor cost, with around 25,000 workers in Shuttle operations and labor costs of about $1 billon per year."
The Saturn V (which had all aspect abort) required 20,416 workers at NASA/Marshall alone. There were hundreds of thousands of employees nationwide. It's true many were production, not operational, but the expendable nature of the vehicle means production IS essentially operations. Despite having all aspect abort, the vehicle required huge resources for inspection and documentation.
I'm not saying the article positively must be changed to only reflect the above, but the current wording apparently comes from "conventional wisdom" sources of unknown veracity. By contrast the above CAIB testimony is by people directly involved with the program, and in many cases corroborated by paperwork dating from that period.
I'll be happy to reword a version incorporating these changes and submit it for review. Just let me know where to put it. Joema 21:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest various changes  

message: How long is the program?  The link to this page says 33 years.  The first line if the article says 1981 to 2011 (30 years).  Two paragraphs later, the article states the program started in the 1960s (50+ years).  Please pick one program length and stick twith it.  
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The link for reference number 3
Brooks, Dawn The Names of the Space Shuttle Orbiters. Washington, DC: National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Accessed July 26, 2006.
is no longer functional:  .  Could someone fix  the link or remove the reference? Njerseyguy (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The data is correct. The "longest mission" statement is verbatim from NASA: . You're mistaken, Columbia was not destroyed in 1986. Joema 13:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct.  Columbia was destroyed in 2003.  Challenger was destroyed in 1986.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors/Issues 

message: The link for reference number 3
Brooks, Dawn The Names of the Space Shuttle Orbiters. Washington, DC: National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Accessed July 26, 2006.
is no longer functional:  .  Could someone fix  the link or remove the reference? Njerseyguy (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The data is correct. The "longest mission" statement is verbatim from NASA: . You're mistaken, Columbia was not destroyed in 1986. Joema 13:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct.  Columbia was destroyed in 2003.  Challenger was destroyed in 1986.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: =======

message: Is the 72-hour tab "valid"?  By that, do you mean, "accurate"?  Of course it is.  But the article is about the space shuttle program, not about the December 2006 mission.  This tag is absolutely unnecessary, it adds nothing of value to the article, and contributes to tag litter.
By this logic, there should be a current events tag on George W. Bush, since "details may change rapidly as events progress".  And hey, Christmas is just around the corner.  The article on Christmas has a section on the "Economics of Christmas".  Now this year's shopping season may progress in different ways than expected.  Should there therefore be a "Current Events" tag on the article on Christmas?
No, Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia (thank goodness), and we can update it at will.  But neither is it a newspaper.  Even if something does get updated during this launch, it does not necessitate this tag.  Suppose we learn something new about the shuttle program during the launch.  Then update it.  But there is no reason to suppose that this article is going to change in any substantive, unexpected way over the course of this next mission. Unschool 22:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note, this issue is being discussed at Talk:Space Shuttle --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 23:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Event Tags 

message: The second paragraph says "The Shuttle is the only winged manned spacecraft to achieve orbit and land, and the only reusable space vehicle that has ever made multiple flights into orbit." I'm not sure if this is in error or not, SpaceShip One acheived orbit twice within 2 weeks. I leave it to someone who knows for sure.
:SpaceShipOne was only capable for sub-orbital flights. Not ones that go into orbit around the Earth. Andy120290 21:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reusable Spacecraft

message: At the top of the article it says:
"This article is about the NASA Space Shuttle program. For the shuttle itself, see Space Shuttle. For information on the Soviet space shuttle program, see the article Buran program"
Why does it have statistics about the Buran in the same chart as the Enterprise?    Jons63 19:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  That needs to get changed.  I would put Enterprise in with the other shuttles, and delete Buran from this article.  Thoughts?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Buran was nothing more than a publicity stunt - to mention it is an insult to Shuttle.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.61.139 (talk) 17:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buran? 

message: AFAIK there's more discussing on extending the shuttle programme beyond 2010, that's what I figured watching a press conference (on air during writing - maybe recorded?) about the upcoming shuttle flight (STS-126).
check this: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2008/10/shuttle-extension-white-paper/, http://www.space.com/news/080829-nasa-shuttle-extension.html, http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2008-09-23-obama-nasa-shuttle_N.htm
--62.214.194.122 (talk) 16:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  shuttle extension study 

message: How did you get those 60 M$ incremental costs ? Looks like a '0' is missing at the end ...
Just External Tank would be 50 M$ (http://aeromaster.tripod.com/paper1.htm) then SSME refurbishing, SRB retrieval and refurbishing, tiles, operational costs of infrastructure and so on. 60 M$ just for a fuel ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.10.9.141 (talk) 08:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shuttle budget 

message: According to the current Table of Flight Statistics on this page (as at 3 Sept 2009) Atlantis (270+ days) has been on orbit approximately 4 days more than Endeavour (266+ days). In terms of the number of orbits, the difference between the two shuttles is 390 orbits (in favor of Atlantis). My question is: Normally a shuttle takes about 90 minutes to make a single orbit and that makes 16 orbits per single day. Hence, would not the difference should be 16*4 ~ 64 orbits? instead of 390 ?. Can some one please explain the big disparity between the days and the orbits of the two shuttles ?
152.226.7.204 (talk) 00:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flight Statistics 

message: The article entitled "Space Transportation System" is unfortunately inaccurate and reads like an unsubstantiated essay. 
That article is not supported by the references. In addition, straight from the horse's mouth, which would be NASA's Kennedy space center, the Space Trasnportation System (STS) is as follows: 
:"NASA coordinates and manages the Space Transportation System (NASA's name for the overall Shuttle program), including intergovernmental agency requirements and international and joint projects. NASA also oversees the launch and space flight requirements for civilian and commercial use.." 
There is nothing about the international space station that is part of this program. That is apparently another program. Nor is there anything about how the "Space Race wound down and the Vietnam War began to take precedence in the minds of U.S. citizens"...  that part of the article reads like an usubstantiated essay. 
The reference discusses the space shuttle system, comprised of four elements, which makes up at least part of the STS. Then Space shuttle requirements are discussed, then background and status, etc., etc. Some hunting around through these links gets in to some fine detail, but it is still all about the shuttle. This is all related to the Space shuttle, and unfortunately it is probably indistinguishable from the articles entitled "Space Shuttle" and Space Shuttle program".
I apologize but based on this, I am making that page a redirect to the article entitled "Space Shuttle program"----Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X) (talk) 03:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Space Transportation System

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article says "NASA originally planned to make the Hubble a Smithsonian museum display, but decided to keep it in space until a successor is launched."  Was there a plan to bring the Hubble Telescope back to Earth on the Shuttle?  Can it do that?  Also, the two links that are references at the end of the sentence don't say anything about Hubble. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: STS-144. The reason the retrieval mission did not go ahead was probably due to payload bay space, the fourth servicing mission, and ISS mission needs.  was the only orbiter to still have its internal airlock to be able to carry payloads Hubble-size (that is why she deployed Chandra even though Chandra's mass warranted Endeavour or Atlantis). When STS-118 was allocated to Columbia (her next flight after -107), that meant the internal airlock had to come out to install the ODS, which meant that Hubble retrieval was not possible due to payload bay space. Then the fourth servicing mission went ahead instead of retrieval. -MBK004 05:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I understand now.  I was wondering if it was possible to bring Hubble back down, then it would have been better to bring it down, fix the mirror on the ground, and put it back up.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 14:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hubble? 

message: I should have done this before.... I propose moving the Columbia & Challenger pages from "disaster" to "accident". Comment here. Thx.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  08:47, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nominated 02:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Wreck it 

message: :Nominated 02:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Space Shuttle program]] (5 votes, stays until August 12, 2011) is the US collaboration for August 2011

message: First job would be to look at comprehensiveness - is this article missing anything? Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it should have more detail about the actual program. Compare with the featured article Shuttle–Mir Program - that article is dominated by a "Timeline" section; I would think this article should have a similar structure. Details of the timeline are currently split between the "Program history" section, and the "Status" section; with most technicalities relegated to the List of space shuttle missions (which is unsatisfactory). So perhaps the way forward, seeing as the program is over, is to merge the two sections "Program history" and "Status" into a unified "Timeline" section, which could then be further organized and expanded. Mlm42 (talk) 20:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Is anything actually being done on this article? Oldiesmann (talk) 17:45, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Game plan

message: I thought that the word "programm" means a list of steps or some kind of plan. As far as I can see Space shuttle launches were not covered by the One Plan. Launches have different purport, program Mir - Shuttle was unthinkable at the beggining of the Shuttle era. Is using of the word "program" correct in this case? Dodonov (talk) 14:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fine. It's also used to cover a series of related operations: Apollo program, frex.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  04:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just to clarify 

message: Before the Apollo XI moon landing in 1969, NASA began early studies of space shuttle designs.  
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replies: text: That is a complete sentence already. Rmhermen (talk) 14:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
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*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20060614151658/http://www.hq.nasa.gov:80/osf/shuttle/orbiters.html to http://www.hq.nasa.gov/osf/shuttle/orbiters.html
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