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Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Index/Principles/Pre-2020

message: WOW! Kudos to Grunt (especially) and the others who helped out. This is a page that has been desperately needed. BlankVerse ∅ 06:40, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This appears to be a work in progress, but I just noticed one particular precedent that seems to be violated quite often lately that is missing from this list. See Izak:"Spamming" to influence. I think that the same principle has been mention in one or two other RFARs, but this is the only one that I remembered off the top of my head. I would have to check, but I don't think this particular principle is mentioned on any of the Wikipedia policy pages. It would probably be a good idea to verify that all of the precedents mentioned have also been clearly stated on at least one of the Wikipedia policy pages. BlankVerse ∅  13:05, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

message: Is this like most (all?) of the non-evidence RFAR pages, in that only ArbCom members should edit it, or can anyone check a closed RFAR and see if any new principles appeared in it, and then add them to this page?  The Literate Engineer 16:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maintainer? 

message: Hi, I remember that there was a page where past cases were grouped by principle (i.e. no personal attacks) where did that go? -- nyenyec ☎ 14:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye, I actually came here looking for the same thing.  It's much more useful to be able to say "per Case:Foo don't flabnitz" rather than just "A past decision was don't flabnitz." - brenneman {L}  03:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cases by principle? 

message: I'm  going to start trying to find cases citing these principles. --David.Mestel 20:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Finished!  All the principles now have cases. --David.Mestel 16:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cases 

message: May anyone add principles to this list? I noticed that we just got a "don't unblock yourself" from the Maru case, which I don't see anywhere on this page. What's the format/protocol? -- nae'blis 15:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maintenance of list

message: The user in question as a redeemed editor has been indef blocked again... Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive133#Mike_Garcia. Are there any other examples of users placed under probation who've reformed? If so, please replace as fit. Mostlyharmless 03:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redemption

message: This page was prepared in 2006 and has become somewhat outdated, though it remains useful because it is well-organized. 71.174.111.245 (talk) 00:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, I forgot to read the notice at the top that says it's not actively updated. Sorry. 71.174.111.245 (talk) 00:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mark as inactive/historical
Talk:Sasin Graduate Institute of Business Administration, Chulalongkorn University

message: The title of this article is incorrect.  It should be Sasin Graduate Institute of Business Administration of Chulalongkorn University NOT ", Chula..." -- I do not know how to change this.
: done. Sasin Graduate Institute of Business Administration of Chulalongkorn University -- Bact 23:26, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Talk:Canada/USA Mathcamp

message: 64.105.35.205 is me. PlatypeanArchcow 16:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forgot to log in 

message: Hey, this is Rob.
The new section for "Mathcamp culture" is cool, but I doubt it will be able to stick on Wikipedia, because there aren't any sources for it. It's all hearsay. Hearsay that over a hundred people will generally agree on, many of whom are on Wikipedia, but that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
There are probably some well-referenced things that can be said about Mathcamp culture - in particular, anything that can be extracted from this article about Mathcamp in the Globe and Mail. Of course, that was Mathcamp 2003, so we'll have to find aspects of culture that are fairly invariant across the years.
I may give this a try soon, because Mathcamp really should have a good Wikipedia article.
rspeer / ɹəədsɹ  05:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for Mathcamp culture 

message: It seems to me that the "Mathcamp culture" is a bit biased towards more recent developments, particularly those from 2006.  I mean, seriously, is Mood Loquacious more deserving of mention than, say, sarongs, or any of the dozen other older traditions that aren't mentioned?
Civman2000 02:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't taken on the project of tracking down sourced facts about Mathcamp culture yet, but basically -- unless a new published source has shown up that I don't know about -- a properly sourced article will have to be 2003-and-before-biased. I believe Food Tongue is unverifiable, for example (and Moody Loquacious is extremely unverifiable). Sarongs should be easy to verify, though. I bet that Mathcamp even has officially published materials with people in sarongs. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ  23:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume the yearbook isn't a valid source? If it is, a lot of this stuff can be sourced to that. There is a section on sarongs in the '06 yearbook (or the supplement?) and some section intros were in food tongue and moody loquacious. On the other hand, sarongs doesn't need it (assuming the official MC site is a valid source) --- see Megan and (less clearly) staff in tree. Ealex292 08:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The yearbook isn't a reliable source -- a random Wikipedian wouldn't be able to obtain one, and even if they could, they wouldn't be able to understand it, or tell the parts that actually happened from the parts that are just amusing. There is, however, a new article about 2004 in Imagine magazine. (It doesn't mention Food Tongue.) rspeer / ɹəədsɹ  09:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It's been nearly two years, and there's still no Mathcamp Culture section... I'm not sure that idea worked at all. --Zarel (talk) 11:26, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathcamp culture section 2006-biased?
Talk:Asterix and the Black Gold

message: The copy of Asterix and the Black Gold in English I used as a source claims it's the 27th book, not the 26th. However, every list of Asterix book I have found anywhere say it's the 26th. What gives?  — JIP | Talk 07:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They're probably refering to the book of the film The twelve tasks of Asterix, which was translated in 1978, before Asterix and the Black Gold came out. Bluap 10:39, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject.  If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class.  The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject.  Comics-awb (talk) 15:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required
Talk:Amy Goodman

message: There is no proof that she was born in Washington DC. Citation 3 notes that the youtube states that she says she is born in DC at 29:05 (when in fact she never states this during anytime of the duration of the video). This should be taken down as it is conflicting with the information that states she was born in New York.
:...and a d.o.b. might be added, in line with Wiki practice. Valetude (talk) 00:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace

message: Per WP:BLPPRIMARY, we should exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Unless this has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, listing Amy Goodman's salary in the article is not appropriate. (For a similar discussion, see for example Talk:Simon_Danczuk#Expenses_and_Salary). --Edcolins (talk) 20:35, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly correct revert, Edcolins. Doesn't have any business here. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Cherry-picked factoids are not suitable for anything let alone a BLP. Johnuniq (talk) 02:54, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Per our rules about primary sources it's not encouraged, and per WP:BLP we want to be very cautious about salaries, which for most people is considered pretty private (although it's public in her case). The Wikipedia is not about muckraking journalism. So rolling back the info is probably a good call and our rules support it. (I can see a case for including info like generally this when it's already in a public document -- IMO it's more useful for getting a handle on the subject than how many siblings they have or where the went to high school, which information we often include. It tells the reader something that is or could be useful for understanding where the subject fits in the world. But our rules pretty much discourage it.) Herostratus (talk) 03:46, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The only reasonable exception I can come up with for including someones salary in their biography is where they are a public sector (government) employee and its come up for discussion in reliable sources. Otherwise its just completely irrelevant material that shouldnt be included per BLPPRIMARY. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Just wondering if the fact that tax-payers indirectly subsidize Democracy Now through tax-deductions for contributors because of Democracy Now's 501(c)3 status would have any bearing on the reasonableness of the public knowing what the tax-supported organization is spending money on?  I don't have an opinion but it seems like a question that Democracy Now would ask. N0w8st8s (talk) 12:08, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salary 

message: I can see the references in the Editor, but they don't register as citations in the article. Why is this? 72.174.131.123 (talk) 21:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  technical question
Talk:History of Sweden (1523–1611)

message: Just for fun, I did a test on the section "Reformation" http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/readability.php to check its readability. Here is the scores:
Flesch-Kincaid Reading Ease: 30
Ideally, web page text should be around the 60 to 80 mark on this scale. The higher the score, the more readable the text.
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 16
Ideally, web page text should be around the 6 to 7 mark on this scale. The lower the score, the more readable the text.
Gunning-Fog Index: 24 
Ideally, web page text should be between 11 and 15 on this scale. The lower the score, the more readable the text. (Anything over 22 should be considered the equivalent of post-graduate level text). 
Fred-Chess 23:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm I get this result for all texts I try. Maybe it doesn't compute. / Fred-Chess 23:54, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Readability 

message: Theres a miss in the History of Sweden series. Gustav Vasas way to power isnt described in any of the articles. It should be somewhere in between Early Swedish history and Early Vasa era. The question is, in wich article should we put it? It is needed in the first to understand the final breakdown of the Kalmar Union, but its needed in the second as well to give a background to Gustavs rule. Propably there should be a more lenghty description in one of the articles, and a summary in the other. But where should we put the biggest part of the information?
--Screensaver 22:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gustav Vasas way to power
Talk:Caltech Submillimeter Observatory

message: I've changed the image in the article from    to one which has the dome open, so that the telescope is visible. Please use it if you find a use for it. Avriette 07:55, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 
Talk:Allan Nairn

message: The allegations are controversial, and I have fully justified my edits. Please stop this incessant reverting. J. Parker Stone 06:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ATTN Davenbelle
Talk:Debian Conference

message: Should this page be renamed to 'Debconf (Conference)' and the Debconf (Software Package) information be removed entirely?  Although debconf is a very important software package to Debian, I don't think it needs to be described in Wikipedia.
(Regular Wikipedians: if you agree, please go ahead - I don't know how to implement this myself.)
-- Avbidder 20050425
: That's self-contradicting - if debconf(8) is a very important part of Debian, why would we avoid describing it in Wikipedia? What makes the conference more encyclopedic than a piece of software? --Joy [shallot] 18:27, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've been asked to explain why I tagged the article with the 'primary sources' tag, so here goes. Currently all the sources / links are to material generated by DebConf (various organising teams, attendees, etc), while these are great for providing content and information they fail the independence test in WP:GNG. Possible sources that are likely to meet the  independence test include: (a) articles written by professional journalists and published in print newspapers / magazines / etc and not based on a press release (b) references to groups outside debian trying to set up events using DebConf as a model (c) academic papers by non-Debian people talking about DebConf. The key is that someone independent needs to be involved in writing the content. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:36, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  tagging withthe 'primary sources' tag 
Talk:Belomorska Trakia

message: I think that as this page is only a different term for the same geographical area as Aegean Macedonia (correct me if I'm wrong), it should be included there and this page should redirect there. Any thoughts?? Tonderai 09:04, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
: Yes, it should redirect to Aegean Macedonia , minus of course the nationalistic rants Ninio 01:24, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Talk:Townland (Scotland)

message: Does this article belong to the category Sub-divisions of Scotland? Laurel Bush 09:28, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

message: Seems not to be any thing in the article which is not in Townland. Thinking I should make it a redirect. Laurel Bush 18:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger with [[Townland]]
Talk:University of Paris

message: When is the university's closing date for 2022 applications Nothando Nhlangulela (talk) 17:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Applications 

message: For which chart, please use talk page of the list of universities page. --Ransouk (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charts 

message: An editor has requested for :Sorbonne to be moved to :Sorbonne (building). Since you had some involvement with Sorbonne, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so).  -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 14:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related RM 

message: After the University had been closed and its assets sold during the Revolution in the 18th century, a new University was formed. The fourth paragraph says "A new University of France replaced it in 1806 with four independent faculties: the Faculty of Humanities (French: Faculté des Lettres), the Faculty of Law (later including Economics), the Faculty of Science, the Faculty of Medicine and the Faculty of Theology"... Ummm... that's five. The Faculty of Theology later closed, but I'm pretty sure it should say "five". --Haruo (talk) 19:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many faculties post-Revolution?
Talk:Dave Stieb

message: Steib wrote a book called, "Someday I'll Be Perfect" or something like this back in the day.  I can't find it online, anywhere!  Does anybody have any ideas?
It's actually called 'Tomorrow, I'll Be Perfect' with Kevin Boland.  And his name is spelled Stieb.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lcorbyn (talk • contribs) 14:57, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've removed the following passage from the article: Given his accomplishments on the field, this must be attributable in part to the simple fact that the "baseball writers OF AMERICA" just didn't see him enough, playing home games in Toronto, Canada. Sadder still, this suggests the voting process weighs stats less than anecdotes and good memories of the writers; players that have not made lasting positive impressions on the writers, for whatever reason, may not get votes they otherwise should, regardless their on-field accomplishments (see Barry Bonds). Let's be fair, Stieb won 176 games over his career, far fewer than non Hall of Fame contemporaries like Jack Morris and Orel Hershiser. If Stieb gets in with that modest win total, does that mean David Wells (227 wins) Jamie Moyer (205 wins), Kevin Brown (211 wins), Bob Welch (205 wins) and Kenny Rogers (190 wins) are also hall-worthy? You'd be hard-pressed to find writers willing to vote any of the above-mentioned pitchers in. Even had Stieb played his career for the Dodgers or Yankees, his career numbers don't warrant Hall of Fame entry, regardless of the positive impressions he made during his career. Yankees76 15:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing POV

message: I see that there's a back and forth in the edits of this page on whether or not Dave Stieb is World Series Champion. It would be good to have some information here on the debate rather than just continuous edits. (At the time of writing this he is listed as a World Series Champion in his "Awards and accomplishments" but not in 'Career highlights and awards") What are the protocols on writing about on players who were on the rosters but injured for the finals? 
I look forward to hearing what others think. Thanks, Oangie (talk) 02:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Series Champion?
Talk:Colin Todd

message: For a VFD discussion about this article, see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Colin Todd. sjorford →•← 10:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Earl of Caithness

message: I believe there was a long period of overlap between the time of Caithness as a Norwegian or Danish earldom and Caithness as a Scottish earldom. I am wondering whether there is a date when the earldom can be said to have become exclusively Scottish. In his History of Caithness Calder says that the rule of Norwegian earls ended when Earl Magnus V died in 1331, but goes on to say that his successor, Henry St Clair, was invested by Haco VI of Norway. Also I am wondering whether and to what extent the Treaty of Perth (1266) made explicit reference to Caithness. (And what language was it in? French? Latin?) Laurel Bush 10:39, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the earldom Henry St.Clair was invested to by Haakon, was that of Orkney. I think that already that time (if almost always) Caithness was regarded as scottish, whereas of course Orkney and Shetland were Norwegian until 1469. Marrtel 09:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Thomas Inskip, 1st Viscount Caldecote

message: I have read elsewhere that Thomas Inskip did much to prepare the country for the 'Battle of Britain' by increasing the pre war production of fighter aircraft.Furthermore I have heard that his emphasis on fighters was opposed by Churchill and other ministers of the time.
Can anyone comment on this?
Dr Mike Inskip 
Family Doctor
Dunedin NZ
PS I share the Viscount Caldecote's surname but our geneaolgical origins diverged some 4 centuries ago.
Shouldn't Lord Chancellor be under the Legal Offices rather than the political offices? It was a position in the government, but so were Attorney General and Solicitor General; the responsibilities as head of the Judiciary and immediate superior to Lord Chief Justice was just as important.--86.181.43.41 (talk) 02:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't comment on Inskip but it is true that the Government was spending an astonishing 45-50% of its budget on defence by the late 1930s (there was of course much less spending on health, education or social security in those days but nonetheless the idea that the government "failed to rearm" is almost pure mythology, put about both by Labour and by Tories who had backed Churchill). As for Churchill, it is certainly true that he favoured bombers and initially attacked the Hurricane fighter for its "excessive speed" and lack of a gun turret, which would make it difficult for it to take its place in the "line of battle" - he actually seems to have imagined that planes would fight in lines like eighteenth century warships. Robert Rhodes James ("Churchill, A Study in Failure", 1970) writes amusingly about Churchill's sometimes ignorance of military matters.Paulturtle (talk) 00:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Ciarán Bourke

message: Was his first name "Ciaran" or "Ciaron"?  If the first, please fix the name in the first line of the article.  If the second, please move this page to Ciaron Bourke.
:The name is usually spelled "Ciarán" in Irish, so this is probably correct. --Angr/ 11:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ciaran or Ciaron?
Talk:Old Mother Riley

message: umm so what else needs doing to it to wiki it?
: I've made a few minor copyedits.  Hope that's OK?  P Ingerson 11:54, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article needs to cite its references or sources. --BSTemple (talk) 16:58, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki 
Talk:Otis Redding

message: Otis redding did blues-themed soul/R&B music in early-mid 1960s, like "these arms of mine", "pain in my heart", and "i've been loving you too long."
 So i added genre "blues" in this page. LSM1204 (talk) 15:35, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blues 

message: This article:  https://getpocket.com/explore/item/inside-otis-redding-s-final-masterpiece-sittin-on-the-dock-of-the-bay?utm_source=pocket-newtab   claims that Steve Cropper was not present when Redding wrote the song, and refers directly to this  article as mistaken.  I don't know who's right.  Is there an expert or does someone have access to material that can solve this? HornColumbia talk 04:20, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. This one will be easy for you to fix. The cited source says, "He returned to Memphis and, with Steve Cropper, finished writing the acoustic ballad that would become his signature hit." So what's going on here is that someone summarized the source incorrectly. Binksternet (talk) 04:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:04, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks (somewhat late) to Ed and Binksternet for resolving this.HornColumbia talk 02:00, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dock of the Bay 

message: "Johnny Jenkins and Isaac Hayes did not attend, fearing their reaction would be worse than Zelma Redding's" This is near meaningless without information about Zelma's reaction. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 22:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but the googlebooks view of the ref doesn't show the pages that cover that and my library system doesn't have that book. , do you still have the Guralnick book from when you added that line back in 2011? Or do you remember the context, so it can be added to the article? Schazjmd (talk) 12:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johnny Jenkins and Isaac Hayes did not attend, fearing their reaction would be worse than Zelma Redding's
Talk:Borough constituency

message: I note the article says a "borough constituency ... is a type of parliamentary constituency" but then gives details of expense allowances for House of Commons elections, 
Northern Ireland Assembly elections, Welsh Assembly elections and Scottish Parliament elections. I am confused by the use of "parliamentary". Laurel Bush 11:52, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am also confused - it may be because until recently the Scotish Parliament (at least) had constituencies based on the House of Commons constituencies but this was changed in the 2005 reforms. I suppose that each constituency is labeled borough or county but it would be nice to find out for sure and put the info into the article... Andreww 08:01, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Explained.  Morwen - Talk 11:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)