Talk:Dick Cheney hunting accident

message: I've read somewhere that one of those "offensive T-shirt" companies is marketing shirts proclaiming "Dick Cheney shot me" as a continuation of a series of shirts stating "I killed Kennedy" and "John Hinckley tried to impress me". Anybody else heard of this?
:There are alot of these, go to www.cafepress.com/cp/info/, and seach for "Cheney".  Also check out the political cartoons at http://www.cagle.com/news/CheneyShoots/main.asp --Leinart 00:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Satire?

message: I've removed the following from the article: {Since Burr's duel with Hamilton, there have been only eight additional sitting or former Vice Presidents who have shot another person. The more well known of these include Richard Mentor Johnson (credited with killing the Shawnee leader Tecumseh), John C. Breckinridge (who joined the Confederate States of America where he fought in many battles, was wounded twice, and led the famous charge of the VMI cadets at the Battle of New Market), Theodore Roosevelt (who received the Medal of Honor leading the Rough Riders), and George H. W. Bush (a decorated WWII naval aviator)).
The reason is that only one of them Richard Mentor Johnson is even claimed to have shot anyone, and it was before he was VP.  Our article on him even says that the claim is doubtful.  None of the others are credited with shooting anyone, as far as I see from their articles here.  Just because they were leading a cavalry charge, doesn't mean they shot anyone, they may very well have just been waving a sword around.  Same for flying a plane.  
These names should stay out of the article unless we have good evidence any of them actually shot someone. Johntex\talk 01:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: VP's in combat

message: The "Related themes" and "See also" sections seem pretty redundant as they are. Makemi 23:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant

message: I don't think the following paragraph belongs in "Investigation".  Could someone move it to a more appropriate place?
:While he has a Texas non-resident hunting license, a report from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department states that Cheney was in violation of Texas law in that he did not have a US $7 "upland game bird stamp."   
:A warning citation, which state officials described as routine and carries no fine or penalty, will be issued to Cheney, because the requirement is new.  Cheney has since sent a $7 check to the Texas Fish and Wildlife Department to cover the cost of the missing stamp. Statement by the Office of the Vice President 13 February 2006. 
Thanks! --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 15:31, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placement of Paragraph 

message: I have removed two comments from this section that could be considered personal attacks.  They had no bearing on the discussion of this article.  I have also warned both parties on their talk pages that similar behavior in the future may result in their being blocked or banned. Let's all keep in mind Wikipedia:Civility and work together to improve this article, as well as Wikipedia as a whole. Johntex\talk 23:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remarks Removed 

message: George W. Bush Pretzel incident,  Mickael Jackson baby balcony incident,  Madonna kisses Britney incident, Bag of rice overbalance in China incident and soo many others. This is how we make the million, and we can be so proud about it! 84.59.103.180 20:05, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: This article has two sections entitled "Investigation" that cover the same information.  They need to be consolidated and one needs to go.  Anyone up to the task? KSchwartz 18:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the sentence about the timing of the announcement should be removed on the grounds that it's obviously in error.  You can not both have the news released at 1:48 p.m. and also at 11:00 a.m.  The information was released at 11:00 a.m. to the media -- or at least a very limited subset of the media in Corpus Christi.  Once any reporter has the information, then the information has technically been "released to the press."  The White House press corps is not the only 'press' that matters in this country, and news is released when a reporter receives it, not when the reporter publishes it.  If it seems worth keeping, then I'd at least suggest that these 'local times' be tagged with their timezones. 66.124.70.108 03:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Investigation

message: all reference to controversy has conveniently been expunged from the article in favor of the pejorative conspiracy theories. this strikes me as a biased attempt at sanitizing the article. Questions remain, was Cheney drunk?  Did he obstruct the sheriff investigation until his intoxication  wore off?  Was Willeford the actual shooter?  Where is the account from Willeford?
:According to the official reports, no, no, no, and not sure why it's relelvant.  Few are seriously considering these questions as actual controversies outside of the usual suspects. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 14:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of these "conspiracy theories" are being advanced by people who make a living aggressively critisising the white house.  When anything other than pure speculation is behind these theories, they could become controversial, but right now they have little to no weight. This is just a "shit happens" situation. Glowimperial 14:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy vs Conspiracy

message: Smaller and lighter shotguns are more favorable in quail hunting due to the increased maneuverability needed for close ranges and fast prey. A longer and heavier shotgun is better suited for hunting larer waterfowl such as duck and geese that need to be fired upon at greater ranges. This bit of trivia implies that Cheney should be made fun of for using a "women's" shotgun, when in fact Kerry was the the fool all by himself. Haizum 04:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any reason why using the appropriate tool (in this case a "women's" model of shotgun) would be either worth mentioning.  The "trivial" fact that John Kerry used the same model as a "media prop" during the last election should be mentioned, as it's an intersting fact.  How is this text - The shotgun involved in the incident was the same model that Senator and Democratic Party Presidential candidate John Kerry was teased about using during the 2004 presidential campaign. Is that better?  It clarifies who John Kerry is (for future generations of Wikipedians!), puts the sentence into past tense and at the same time eliminates the "women's shotgun" element, which is IMHO irrelevant. Glowimperial 19:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took the liberty of updating the text, as there seemed to be no objections. Glowimperial 21:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's important to leave some reference to the gun as "a woman's gun", since this appraisal may have been one reason why the "affair cover-up" conspiracy theory, mentioned elsewhere in the article, gained momentum. The apprasial of the gun as "a woman's gun" was universal enough to be raised against Kerry. Therefore, to remove an assessment of the shotgun as "a woman's gun" from this article would be to remove our NPOV and replace it with a pro-conservative / anti-liberal double standard.Sethnessatwikipedia (talk) 09:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Biased/Uninformed Triva

message: Can we cut this section by about 75%? Every time a public official messes up, it's going to be the butt of jokes on late-night talk shows. These are funny when they happen, but I don't think they're that important unless ongoing. Makemi 16:14, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Commentary and Satire section

message: The screenshot image from CNN is a little fuzzy and does not show the full extent of the damage to Whittington's face because of the poor photo quality as well as his distance from the camera.  I found a great close-up of Whittington's face and think it would be great if the CNN screenshot could be replaced with it (site follows).
Better picture
:You are correct that visually it is a better picture and has more information. The problem is that it is copyrighted, I believe by the Associated Press, so unfortunately we can't use it. Thanks for your help, Mak (talk) 01:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whittington Injury Picture 

message: This article begins with a confusing mass of information, telling a story, rather than a simple concise summary of the event, for example, "On XXXX Dick Cheney shot Harry Whittington in the face with a 28-gauge shotgun in a hunting accident."  We need a proper lead section to get the basic facts laid out before we launch into the details. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs a proper lead 

message: This section is way too big.  It should be noted that the incident was lampooned, and maybe even have one or two high profile examples, but as it stands this is overkill.  I suppose if everyone feels that having an enormous amount of jokes in the article is good, then we should start working on the Lewinsky scandal because it doesn't have ANY jokes, and to this day Jay Leno still makes a few references in his opening. Cjosefy 07:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commentary and satire removal 

message: I changed the first sentence to say that Cheney accidently shot his friend and somebody removed the "accidently."  Common, there is no doubt that this was an accident.  I'm changing it back.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adwads (talk • contribs) 21:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It should say that Dick Cheney accidently shot... 

message: Is it a copy of The Sopranos?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.222.158.141 (talk) 00:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much tv 

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message: Removed a link titled 'information on gun used' that would open a window to a pornographic link192.206.151.130 (talk) 19:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: This whole article reads like a damn conspiracy theory. Everything it focuses on are incongruities in various accounts and all it does is paint suspicions about Cheney. With that coquettish smile, I can't say I blame the authors- but really, can we leave this stuff out? It ought to be an explanation of events without the , "however, Cheney later said this..." and "even though bla bla bla recalled that..." --72.205.63.176 (talk) 04:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad Vibes

message: I don't know much about this, but surely Cheney shoudl be tried for manslaughter if he shot a man accidentally? Why is this not the case?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.39.212 (talk) 18:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well for one, the crime of manslaughter can only be charged if he actually killed someone.  Whittington lived. 24.8.252.164 (talk) 08:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whittington could sue Cheney in civil court, it he wanted to. Steve Dufour (talk) 16:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

text: BTW I feel that I really should mention that if Cheney had wanted someone killed he probably would have found a better way to do so. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Crime

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message: Why is there no link to Funeralgate here? - Sparky (talk) 03:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure I understand the connection.  Arzel (talk) 04:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Curious

message: Questions have been raised regarding the shooting, even as Kenedy County Sheriff's Office documents support the official story by Cheney and his party.[27] Sounds a bit POV. This is titled as an incident not an accident (though it wouldn't surprise me if Cheney used the old duffer for target practice. (Aurumpotestasest (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assumption 

message: This article needs to be consolidated into encyclopedic prose. As it is now, it reads like editors were piecing together news reports and putting them in as they came out (please see WP:RECENTISM) The list sections should be completely removed since this isn't a police report. A few subsections should be completely removed. "Information release" should be used to update "Incident". "Controversial points" is barely noteworthy but it could easily be put into a section involving "Incident". "Hunting safety" has its own article somewhere and is not needed here. Any concerns?Cptnono (talk) 15:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal

message: Any way to work this back in the prose?
In an Associated Press report, hunting safety experts said that it is the shooter's responsibility to assess the surroundings and situation to ensure that it is safe to shoot.
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According to Texas state Parks and Wildlife Department, in 2005 there were 30 accidents and two hunting deaths in Texas. At the national level, according to the International Hunter Education Association, there were 744 shooting accidents with 74 deaths in 2002.
Cptnono (talk) 20:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hunting safety

message: What a horribly sourced article.  I went through and removed several Non-RS citations to The Smoking Gun.  Also there are several dead links in the article.  Furthermore, the popular culture section is almost completely unsourced.  This article needs some major re-writing.  Arzel (talk) 16:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I searched "mother's day shooting" to see if we had a NOTNEWSPAPER article on the New Orleans one yet, and this was the top result. Turns out, this subtle insinuation of Cheney's involvement (which isn't too subtle for conspiracy nuts to pick up on) was caused by an unsourced Pop Culture reference about Charlene's mother. Or Amanda's. It isn't even clear if you've never heard of the show. I'm deleting it as a matter of national security (and no source). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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message: That the victim apologized for getting shot is one of the most noteworthy aspects of this story, but the fact is nowhere mentioned in the intro and a search for "apology" or "apologize" delivers a grand total of one result in the entry, which is several paragraphs deep.Rafe87 (talk) 18:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  More emphasis should be given to the fact that ''the victim'' apologized 

message: The article is heavily loaded with lengthy stretches of narrative, with not a single source included. Due to the relentless confusion about whether a 'cite needed' tag refers to merely the sentence it's after, or the entire paragraph if it's at the end of same, I'm thinking it may be best to just cull these lengthy unsourced segments, and see if others will be bothered to actually find sources. I'm not inclined to do so - this is a tempest in a teapot, and barely warrants its own article. It's rife with recentism, which - fifteen years later - looks rather ridiculous. But I digress. Anastrophe (talk) 21:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing