Talk:Republican Sinn Féin

message: There's no real dispute among genuine Wikipedia users on what this page should contain. The problem is the repeated vandalism by an anonymous visitor. This person is clearly a supporter of RSF, and I'd bet my money that the individual in question goes under the name Richard and Risteard on a number of Irish political sites championing the fastasies of RSF and the Continuity IRA. Could there be anything done to prevent anonymous visitors from editing this site, as that's where the problem lies. --Damac 21:14, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's what they had to do over at wiki.politics.ie, largely to deal with this same character.  However, I doubt we'll get Wikipedia to change its policy on this just to prevent vandalism of this page.  As I've said before, superior patience may be the only remedy. --Ryano 00:27, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: No real dispute but how do we deal with persistent vandalism

message: No discussion. --Tony SidawayTalk 08:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotected

message: **SPAM REMOVED - PLEASE PROVIDE LINKS TO MATERIAL YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF OTHER USERS--Damac 13:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Éamonn McCann on RSF and Political Legacy of 1916 

message: **SPAM REMOVED - PLEASE PROVIDE LINKS TO MATERIAL YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF OTHER USERS--Damac 13:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Short History of Republican Sinn Féin  

message: **SPAM REMOVED - PLEASE PROVIDE LINKS TO MATERIAL YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF OTHER USERS--Damac 13:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but what's the point in this? Could you post links to media stories etc you feel are relevant somehow. Thanks!GiollaUidir 13:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, there is no need for Donnchadh to post media articles here at will. Not only is this wasting space and capacity, but there are copyright issues involved as well. I've removed these, and if he wants to bring this material to other user's attention, then he can provide links to the relevant websites. --Damac 13:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proclamation of the Republic 1916 

message: ===Personal attack deleted and author blocked===
[Particularly vicious personal attack deleted] The person responsible, Donnchadh has been blocked from Wikipedia for twenty-four hours for the attack. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 19:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is stopping you [comment responding to the attack now removed above.] from making your point here, you have just ignored the rules. As it says at the bottom of the edit window every time you edit Wikipedia, "Content must not violate any copyright", since every word you type is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License when you click "Save". You cannot just cut and paste other people's work  like this without their permission. As GiollaUidir said, just post a link to the article: http://www.google.com. We already have a copy of the proclamation anyway, at Wikisource, so posting another full copy wastes space and puts unnecessary strain on our databases. As does clicking save repeatedly instead of using the preview function. --Kwekubo 19:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Rate Hacks on the Delete Button but they contribute nothing of Value 

message: [Particularly vicious personal attack deleted] The person responsible, Donnchadh has been blocked from Wikipedia for twenty-four hours for the attack. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 19:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is stopping you [comment responding to the attack now removed above.] from making your point here, you have just ignored the rules. As it says at the bottom of the edit window every time you edit Wikipedia, "Content must not violate any copyright", since every word you type is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License when you click "Save". You cannot just cut and paste other people's work  like this without their permission. As GiollaUidir said, just post a link to the article: http://www.google.com. We already have a copy of the proclamation anyway, at Wikisource, so posting another full copy wastes space and puts unnecessary strain on our databases. As does clicking save repeatedly instead of using the preview function. --Kwekubo 19:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal attack deleted and author blocked

message: ++Removing party political statement posted by Donnchadh 03:28, 25 June 2006. Original text can be read here: The Truth about the 1986 Sinn Féin Ard Fheis--Damac 07:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some clarification on my use of "genuine" Wikipedia users. What this refers to are registered contributors to Wikipedia, not anonymous editors. Hope that clarifies matters.--Damac 21:46, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Truth about the 1986 Sinn Féin Ard Fheis and the Unbroken Continuity of Sinn Féin Poblachtach since 1905 

message: Seán1905 is a sockpuppet of Donnchadh otherwise known as Cael, he is constantly trying in impose RSF POV as fact into this article.--padraig3uk 21:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cael or Donnchadh, you had this debate last year on this article, and your nonsense was rejected then, so why do you think it is acceptable now.--padraig3uk 21:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Cael, what are you trying to achieve here, your edits were disputed and reverted the last time as POV, you also tried to vandalise the Sinn Féin article as well, which was also reverted by another user for vandalism.  This isn't a game between you and me, although you see it that way, its about you posting RSF POV and propaganda.--padraig3uk 21:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I've currently protected this page from editing until this dispute can be resolved -- before you complain, please note that the alternative was blocking two or three of you for blatant WP:3RR violation. Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the dispute resolution process, and work together to achieve consensus. Thank you. Luna Santin 22:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: Padraig, I am neither of the persons you think I am. Nor am I a member of either RSF or PSF. You on the other hand are a member of PSF. 
So as I said earlier, If you don't agree with the history of SF (RSF) ok. I don't agree with your version of SF (PSF). I do not go changing the disputed content of your parties alleged history (you are a member of (P)SF). So agree to differ and we can all do better things with our time. 
Put back my RSF content and at the top of each page (RSF & PSF) a note can be added saying that there is a dispute regarding who is 'Sinn Féin' since the split in 1986. I think that is fair and reasonable, as up to that point both parties were one and the same.Seán1905 22:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your RSF content is POV, this is a encyclopedia not a party propaganda sheet, why where you removing facts from the local election results for the candidates, why where you vandalising the infobox by altering the content to the extent that it failed to display properly. Why are you constanstly refering to Sinn Féin as Provisional Sinn Féin when you know no such party exists and that Sinn Féin have never used that title.  The name of Republican Sinn Féin is the name adopted by that party in 1986 when it split from Sinn Féin the party that legaly holds that name and is register as such in Ireland.  Learn what NPOV means.--padraig3uk 22:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Can User:81.129.243.76 stop inserting POV into this article, this is not a RSF propaganda sheet.--padraig3uk 23:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Solution

message: This party is contesting the Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007. As part of the general coverage of these elections, this page needs to be unprotected to allow credible users add information on the party's candidates.--Damac 14:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unprotection request granted (although WP:RfP would have been the forum for this). The protection was set to expire today anyway. Sandstein 17:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Turns out it had already expired. Sandstein 17:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|Editprotected}}

message: The sources problem persists, and unfortunately Wikipedia is not supposed to be an extended notice-board for every tiny political group.  See Wikipedia:RS and Wikipedia:SELFPUB#Self-published sources.
It seems odd there is no Irish language version of the article when this group makes a big deal about it?86.42.208.131 (talk) 11:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not odd at all as this article was not made by RSF but by English speaking editors from possibly many countries. If you are able to create this article in the Irish language feel free to do it here. BigDuncTalk 12:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem with self-published sources

message: The Sinn Féin artile has a guide to pronunciation. This article should too. -- Henriok (talk) 11:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: partially done but i hid it as i dont know the ipa for republican. maybe someone can finish it?Lihaas (talk) 16:33, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: While RSF are certainly radical on the nationalist spectrum, I'm not really sure they can really be considered 'far left' as the infobox suggests. Nothing I've seen of them or their material really suggests a particularly left-wing programme.
:as a national socialist party im not sure this qualifies, particularly unsourced. im hiding the note.Lihaas (talk) 16:35, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Far Left? 

message: :The "Goals" section starts out "RSF says...", but it is not in quotes. When I tried to check this out I found issues and dead links;
* Ref #16: brings up a page 1 of "The Seven Signatories Manifesto" that does not support anything,
* Ref #17: returned a "Not found" which is a dead link,
* Ref #18: returned a "Not found, which is a dead link
* Ref #19: saolnuabutton?
:I even looked at 
* Ref #20: Tagged as dead link, returned an edition of The Irish News (April 20, 2015) where I could learn about the "Voice of Ireland". While interesting I could not seem to find a source for content in the "Leadership" section. 
* Ref #21: I also checked Tagged as a dead link returned a "Google 404 That’s an error".
:The Wikipedia tag for  refers specifically to External links. WP:DEADREF actually covers article content but the bottom line is that a whole section lacks test-source integrity, when a citation is not clear or does not point to the proper reference, and an article or section is reduced to apparent original research, when content can not be verified. These are not the only dead references in the article. Otr500 (talk) 17:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead references 

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message: I see that somebody keeps trying to add the pre-1986 presidents to the article and to be honest, I'm not completely against that being added.... but it should be somehow noted that this is disputed by other claimants to the title Sinn Féin and be separated from the post-1986 claimants. 
In 1970, the official party apparatus associated with "Sinn Féin", technically went with what is today the Workers' Party of Ireland (hence the name Official Sinn Féin). So if we want to be technical, Provisional Sinn Féin were the faction that broke away in 1970 while upholding a more traditional republicanism, just as Republican Sinn Féin broke away from Provisional Sinn Féin in 1986 (both times under the leadership of Ruairí Ó Brádaigh) under the exact same rational. 
So it isn't too ludicrous for them to make a claim to the earlier legacy of the party. Claíomh Solais (talk) 19:17, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of pre-1986 presidents 

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message: The section "Leadership" stated that "they elected their first President, Ruairí Ó Brádaigh" in 1986, and then went on to list leaders going back to 1905. This obviously makes no sense. I have deleted the list of "leaders" prior to 1986. I already did this once, and an unregistered user reverted my edit and insisted I discuss it here, so now I am. I realise this is apparently a disputed topic, but consistency is all I ask. Either RSF was founded in 1905 or in 1986, but the article can't hop back and forth between the two.Barend (talk) 13:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The list of presidents