Talk:Ptah

message: How do you pronounce Ptah?  Puhtah? --Jondel 03:37, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Ptah 

message: When the beliefs about the Ennead and Ogdoad were later merged, and Atum was identified as Ra (Atum-Ra), himself seen as Horus (Ra-Herakhty), this led to Ptah being said to be married to Sekhmet, at the time considered the earlier form of Hathor, Horus', thus Atum's, mother.
I think it probably assumes too much existing knowledge in the reader. qp10qp 03:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This sentence lost me

message: The word itself "Ptah" is Phoenician in Origin, the meaning "Opener" is from no other language than Hebrew. The language that the children of Ham, hence, Cushites, >>>Caananites<<<, and the >>>>Mizrahi (Eastereners (as in East Africa). They spoke the Language of the "Past (language/culture)" or "Passed" (place in time/history), as all of the triplets (Shem, Japhet, and the last issue of the same Ham.
I digress. THe name is Pey,Taw, Heh.
It means Opener. Or Pey (Mouth), Taw (Mark), Heh (Opening/Behold/Look!).
"Ptah" Opener. (The word, is HEBREW!)  65.102.29.63 (talk) 12:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we contribute to the article with this information? 174.4.163.53 (talk) 07:45, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we can't, because it's one editor's extremely strange theories about connections between words in different languages. Wikipedia articles must be based on reliable sources; this editor's claims are anything but reliable. A. Parrot (talk) 17:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: They are reliable as historians in the distant past have found the connections, there just needs to be a source found or created for this information, this article screams early Semitic influence on the Egyptians (Canaanites and Mizraim is considered the progenitor of the Egyptians. 174.4.163.53 (talk) 13:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll need to find a recent source to add anything about a Semitic connection to the article. If by "historians in the distant past" you mean ancient authors, be aware that they are primary sources and not reliable, in the sense used on Wikipedia, although we can cite modern secondary sources that examining the accuracy of what ancient authors say. I don't know of any suggestions by modern scholars that Ptah had a Semitic origin, but somebody could have suggested it. The only evidence about Ptah's earliest origins that I know of are a First Dynasty bowl from Tarkhan that bears his image, and Richard Wilkinson's statement that "while the god's name gives no firm clue to his origin, it is perhaps based on a root of later words meaning 'to sculpt' and thus related to his identity as a craftsman god" (The Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt, pp. 124–125. Both those pieces of evidence, scant though they are, point to an Egyptian origin. A. Parrot (talk) 16:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ptah - Phey, Taw, Heh. 

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message: The intro characterizes Ptah as a demiurge. The page then says that he created by thinking or willing things into existence. This is not what being a demiurge means. A demiurge is typically a lesser god or created being who constructs a world from matter that has already been created, usually by a more transcendent deity. We normally encounter this distinction in Gnosticism, heretical Christianity like that taught by Marcion, and in a few rather isolated religions like that of the Yezidi. In the first two, the transcendent creator was the father of Jesus, while Yahweh was merely an artificer with superpowers who assembled material things. 
I don’t know if this category should even be applied to Ancient Egyptian religion. If it does apply, the article is confused about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5b0:233b:33a8:91d0:27d7:15f2:1ef8 (talk) 23:08, 18 May 2019‎ (UTC)
:Egyptological sources often compare Ptah to the concept of the demiurge, although I think they have the Platonist version of the concept in mind more than the Gnostic one. I think that's partly because the Platonist concept, based on my very limited understanding of it, represents a divine intellect that shaped the world, as Ptah does. The other reason is that the theology surrounding Amun made him the ultimate divine power that motivated creation, while incorporating Ptah as the means by which Amun achieved creation. The relationship between the two does resemble that between the Platonic demiurge and the supreme being. All that needs better explanation in the article. As you say, using the "demiurge" term without that explanation could be misleading, so I'll remove the term for the moment. A. Parrot (talk) 00:03, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Ptah as demiurge