Talk:Elaine Benes

message: How come there is no section about Elaine's personality? It's just a list of facts about her otherwise.
frickin hilarious how long this article is, especially compared to the actresses real life page:p  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.1.253 (talk) 19:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Personality

message: We should try to make the articles on Cosmo Kramer, George Costanza, and Elaine Benes parallel.
::Yeah. I especially like the personality flaws section of George Costanza's
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For comparison, Jerry and George attended Queens College
::i thought jerry went to nyu (the nyu woman interviews him in the "not that there's anything wrong with that" episode for an alumni magazine...) --24.181.228.103 02:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not true.  The paper in "The Outing" was only identified as "the NYU paper".  Jerry went to Queens College (as did George), as revealed in "The Marine Biologist". --Satyricrash 09:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Parallelism

message: The picture at the top of this article is one of the worst I've seen. It needs to go.
:I totally agree!  It looks like it is really distorted.  HORRIBLE!  T. White 08:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I adjusted the size of the picture so that it is not so distorted.  If anyone has any further objections to this picture . . . maybe we should find another one?  T. White 08:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Horrible Picture

message: In the sectiong titled Inconsistencies, it lists that Elaine considered herself a pesco-vegetarian but later revealed that she likes duck and other kinds of meat.  Pesco-vegetarians are those vegetarians who refrain from eating certain types of meat but who may partake of other types.  This really doesn't seem like an inconsistency to me due to the fact that she may like fowl and such but may not have eaten other types of meat.  I'm deleting this sentence.  T. White 08:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm removing this section.  After reading the entire list of "so called" inconsistencies I do not see where the reasoning is behind them.  If you feel that they should be included, justify the reasoning.  For instance, the sentence relating to the English Patient doesn't make sense because I do not see how it is a legitimate inconsistency and also in reference to her crying at the translation of the korean ladies being inconsistent with her character - there were several times that she was notably upset.  Not just this time.  When she was fired by Mr. Pitt, she cried as well.  T. White 08:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistencies  

message: I've always known what a good article is. I thought everyone has follow the rules and improve the article. Recently the ChocolateBoy decided its a good idea that the only contribution is Elaine's boyfriends Jerry Seinfeld and David Puddy. Although I'm still new to this, hopefully everyone should keep an eye out for ChocolateBoy. I have question his "idea" of improving the article. The idea is not to be perfect with every web page but to be creative in each page. If nothing positive has come out of ChocolateBoy than answer this question? How can I be friends with you with such negative traits? I'll be thankful that no-one has to be perfect and that's the way it suppose to be. I know I shouldn't be personal but its a question of principle.
Chocolateboy, I'm hoping you can sway me with something good instead. You helped me out, I'm straighting you out.
(Johnnyauau2000 06:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Elaine Benes article. 

message: The reason I added that 'cause compare to George, Jerry and Kramer, I don't know anything about Elaine. I would appreciate if they know how to shape up the important things in Elaine's different sides. It would be also helpful if you try not to rule out too many possibilities that would've been useful later on if anyone has a feeling that something is still missing. A bonus if they add at least 1 cite or in plain English, a website reference. Please? Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 03:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characteristics 

message: If anyone is done with the hair issue I like to move on. I'm curious about Newman having a crush on Elaine. I don't think just having one line satisfy me. If you have like evidence or suggestions please put it in since I'm being open minded about it. The other issue I found that is the least talked about is Elaine being one of the boys. I always wonder "What does that mean? Is she always hanging out with girls or is she comfortable being playful around boys?" If she is one of the boys, how can you tell? Like the first one, I like to have anything that can help me with my curiousity. Lastly, how do I put those ideas into this article? I'll be glad if anyone is reading my message.
You can answer me anytime in my talk and hopefully they won't make a big deal over it. By the way, what's a maternity leave? Let me know. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 05:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is still a few more things to clear up. 

message: Wasn't there an episode where Kramer is running a Jewish dating service? If I recall correctly, he hands a flier to Elaine, who tells him she's not interested because "I'm not Jewish."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.200.118.1 (talk) 19:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, and Kramer replies that neither is he, but he loves the food, IIRC. There also was one episode where George explicitly claimed she was a shiksa, if my memory not fails. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 23:24, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elaine not Jewish 

message: The article lists three sources of inspriation for the character; Leifer, Yates and McNabb. The lead only mentions Leifer, though she is excluded from the info box and the section on Real life inspriation says suggestions that the character was based on her were refuted. I didn't know about McNabb but if it is in the Bio then okay, there are sources out there which refer to Yates as the inspiration, and i would assume some for Leifer as well. I would think all three shaped the character but given that the whole thing isn't clear and poorly cited and that its hard to assess the extent to which each inspired the character, maybe listing inspiration in info box or the lead should be avoided and discussion confined to the one section of the article. It currently comes across as greatly confused.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.128.29.49 (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Life Inspiration 

message: One of the biggest, more important events in her life and the jail thing is regulated to the Puddy section. Poor, poor quality. Lots42 (talk) 15:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Jail

message: I am sorry if I seemed rude at all tagging the article, but I find that editing articles like this myself is often quite unfulfilling, as reverts from those who added the cruftiness are quite common. However, it has been legitimately requested that, since I tagged the article, I explain why. I get annoyed at "tag-bys" myself, and admit that I should not have assumed my thoughts were obvious, so here are my concerns:
*The characteristics section should be condensed, and not give an episode-by-episode account.
*Most of the other sections, including "family", "background and education", "employment", "romantic relationships", "enemies", etc. should be consolidated and cut down. The large amount of in-universe information in the article seems more appropriate on a fan site than in an encyclopedia.
*Things like "nicknames" and "pet peeves" are more fancruft lists than useful information
*This has nothing to do with fancrfut, but I think the influence and reception of the character must be huge, and I would like to see that section greatly expanded.
I hope this helps. かんぱい！ Scapler (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fancruft 

message: I saw that this page was flagged as in need of editing, and for a project in my graduate editing class, we're trying our hand at making some changes to wikipedia pages. So, as a "Seinfeld" fan, I decided to try Elaine's page.
I certainly don't want to lessen the merit of all of the information on the page, but I think some of the above commentary is correct: even as a fan of the show, I don't think all of this information is necessary in this type of source. For me, the information is bogged down by all of the references to events from specific shows. What if some of this were edited out and then pertinent facts were cited at the ends of sentences (with the connected episode denoted at the bottom)?
I'm going to make these changes to the "Elaine's debut", "Real life inspiration", "Characteristics", "Family", and "Background and Education" sections. If these won't work, feel free to revert! I'm just hoping to offer an alternative that will maintain the integrity of the information while allowing the page to still be useful for people who aren't necessarily fans (and may be looking for a quick reference). Sbrown33 (talk)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbrown33 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different Citation 

message: Since when does Elaine have a child called Isabelle? No, seriously, I mean that. What episode does it appear in? I only question it because it isn't mentioned anywhere else on the article. Knotrice (talk) 13:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children? 

message: I just saw an episode last night where, about to run into Jerry's flea-fumigated apartment, she makes the sign of the cross over herself--she crosses herself from right to left in the Orthodox style. There is some dispute in the section about her family background whether she is Orthodox or Catholic, I thought maybe I would add this to the evidence ;-) Florestanová (talk) 02:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthodox/Catholic 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This article, which is 18 years old and 81 paragraphs long, contains four (4) footnotes. One of the footnotes cites a Seinfeld episode, another provides a list of the show's cast and characters, and another cites a book with no page number. The article has been tagged since 2013 because of this and other issues, including its excess detail. I have just placed an "original research" tag on it because of the huge amount of unsourced material, much of which includes observations about the character of Elaine that appear to come from editors. How does this happen? Does anyone intend to provide sources for all of this text that has been added over a period of nearly two decades? 74.67.6.88 (talk) 12:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: What a mess