Talk:Computer mouse/Archive 1

message: A mouse is a handheld pointing device for computers, involving a small object fitted with one or more buttons and shaped to sit naturally under the hand.
Do we really need the "involving a small object" part?
Brianjd 05:46, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
I have a mouse that weighs about a kilogram and is almost a litre in size. Its very confortable :-) 137.122.50.133 23:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "...involving a small object..."

message: Might be good not to use the word cursor -- stick with "mouse pointer". To a lot of folks, the "cursor" is the text insertion point; the "pointer" is the arrow- or hand-shaped thing the mouse moves around. Google suggests "mouse pointer" is more prevalent than "mouse cursor" by about 50%. Pedantic, yes. --FOo
: I don't think that's overly perdantic & I agree with you on the terms. -- Tarquin 12:59 Oct 21, 2002 (UTC)
:: Well, if we're being pedantic, some GUI systems (at least MS-Windows) refer to the text insertion point as the "caret" and the mouse pointer as the "cursor" in technical documentation.  Suggest:
::* mention that it's called either a "cursor" or a "pointer"
::* use "mouse pointer" consistently throughout text
::* define what a cursor is ("a small picture that represents the active position of the mouse"), somewhere perhaps late in the article
::Also, somewhere we need a more detailed writeup on GUI interaction styles in general. k.lee 08:01 Oct 25, 2002 (UTC)
On another point, could someone explain how the cursor on the screen is "mouse-like"? In what sense? What does that even mean? I assert that it is more dragster-like. But we don't call it that.. Maybe we could just find an interview with the inventors of the mouse wherein they state why they named it such? That would be better than speculating. BeakerK44 18:51, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Cursor or Mouse Pointer

message: The whole "One button or two?" section seems really awkward.  It also seems completely out of proportion (too long) with how important the issue is.  If you're really that interested, there are HCI references you can read.  I think 2 paragraphs, or maybe 3, should be plenty: reasons for using a 1-button mouse, reasons for using a 2/3-button mouse, and possibly a paragraph for workarounds.
For example, there's a sizable chunk of text (the entire second paragraph) dealing with the issue of single/double-clicking an icon to open it.  Then it goes on to admit that even 2-button systems typically require double-clicking, and even 1-button systems can be set up to open things by single-clicking.  (So what was the point of that paragraph?)
===One, two, or three buttons?===
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse
In the article about Apple's Might Mouse it is stated that the mouse has multiple buttons.  This article, however, has a picture of the mouse in the "One, two, or three buttons?" section stating that the Might Mouse is, in fact, a one button mouse.  The Mighty Mouse article indicates that the mouse is designed similar to a single button mouse, but has four button "action"; this may not necessarily mean that there are four buttons, but it can easily be shown that the mouse does in fact have at least TWO buttons (that is, the top clicking surface of the mouse, and the side squeeze buttons).  Perhaps the "One, two, or three buttons?" section of this article should be edited to properly reflect single button mice? 
202.216.124.47 09:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: One button or two?

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse
In the article about Apple's Might Mouse it is stated that the mouse has multiple buttons.  This article, however, has a picture of the mouse in the "One, two, or three buttons?" section stating that the Might Mouse is, in fact, a one button mouse.  The Mighty Mouse article indicates that the mouse is designed similar to a single button mouse, but has four button "action"; this may not necessarily mean that there are four buttons, but it can easily be shown that the mouse does in fact have at least TWO buttons (that is, the top clicking surface of the mouse, and the side squeeze buttons).  Perhaps the "One, two, or three buttons?" section of this article should be edited to properly reflect single button mice? 
202.216.124.47 09:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: One, two, or three buttons?

message: The earliest mice were, in fact, mechanical, using electrical contacts to detect the motion of the axes. These proved to be less reliable than desired, so the electrical rotation sensors were replaced with optical ones. All the mice made in the last 20 years use optical rotation sensors, and are correctly called optomechanical mice, not mechanical ones. tooki 02:36, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mechanical" mice 

message: Should mention similar device "cat". --65.174.34.14 20:34, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cat 

message: The first paragraph that discusses Apple is especially ... weird.
"Due to an early design decision by designer Jef Raskin, the Apple Macintosh has always shipped with a single-button mouse" -- er, huh?  Due to his design decision, it *initially* shipped with a 1-button mouse.  He's dead now, so I suspect that if they wanted to ship a 2- or 3-button mouse, Jef would not be able to stop them.  (More likely, they use a 1-button mouse because there are good reasons for doing so.)
"Despite the fact that Mac OS X has supported multi-button mice for years, Apple ships all of its new computers with single-button mice, despite the controversy." -- Despite, despite?
"This is defended by the company as an decision meant to simplify and maintain control over the overall "look-and-feel" of the user interface." -- er, it is?  I've never heard that.  (How does having a 1-button mouse "maintain control"?)  Can we get a reference for this?  It sounds like somebody putting words in Apple's mouth.
: I don't think the Apple rant belongs in this article at all, least of all in the Additional buttons section when it's preceded by the more general and appropriate Buttons. I removed it, but I'll put it here as it was in case someone finds it needful to include it:
:: Due to an early design decision by designer Jef Raskin, the Apple Macintosh has always shipped with a single-button mouse, requiring users to "chord" mouse gestures by pressing a keyboard button.  Despite the fact that Mac OS X has supported multi-button mice for years, Apple ships all of its new computers with single-button mice, despite the controversy. This is defended by the company as an decision meant to simplify and maintain control over the overall "look-and-feel" of the user interface.
: --82.181.58.22 16:15, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple 

message: Shouldn't this be included *somewhere* in this article?  Because there are now mice that would work on virtually any surfaces including glass and mirrored surfaces.  I'm not going to add any content to this article as of right now but I would like to hear what your take is with these two technologies: Bluetrack and Darkfield.  I don't know where this will fit in the article, so those of you who edit this article are on your own.  I can provide pictures via MediaWiki if you guys insist. 70.131.145.107 (talk) 12:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this the "Glass laser mouse" one section mentions. IMO it does not seem all that significant that a mouse can track on glass but it does not hurt to mention it.--Anss123 (talk) 10:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Microsoft's and Logitech's recent Mouse Releases 

message: The 1990s mouse pictured is a Microsoft Intellimouse, introduced in 1996.  Here is a photo just like it in a 1996 magazine; it's not a "21st century" design as one editor just speculated based on the 2005 photo date.  Dicklyon (talk) 07:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah ok, thanks for picking that up.  The article previously described the mouse as "contemporary"; my edit was in response to an IP who doubted that was correct (). Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 10:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm still confused – I see that it's a microsoft mouse based on the file info, but I don't see how you can know when it was made.  It's clearly a different mouse to the one in the ref, based on the scroll wheel and the lack of the microsoft logo.  Surely it would be safest just to remove any mention of the date?  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 13:47, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  True, it's not identical, as it probably went through some minor manufacturing changes.  The uploader of the photo states that it's a Microsoft mouse, and the stying is close enough to be recognizably the same item or a very close copy.  I'd be OK going back to 1990s instead of a specific year, unless you can show that that styling came later.  I see no reason here to prefer "safest" over informative.  Dicklyon (talk) 17:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The mouse in the picture is a "Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse 1.0", and it is the same model of mouse that I have. It came out circa 2002, and it is very different from the Microsoft Intellimouse 1.0 in the reference. InternetMeme (talk) 13:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks InternetMeme.  Dicklyon, it's not that I prefer safest over informative, it's that I prefer no information over information that's likely to be incorrect.  It's clear that we can't be sure exactly when the pictured mouse was released, so I've removed the date claim entirely ().  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1990s mouse 

message: how does lasers works in mouse.what are the components required in making a laser mouse.how these components are arrenged in it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.108.132 (talk) 04:13, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More details required 

message: Some programs allow you to drag objects by pointing to the object, holding the right mouse button down, and moving the mouse device. I proposed the correct term for this procedure is not the more common "drag" (meaning dragging the object with the left mouse button), but "drag with the right mouse button."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.226.104.225 (talk) 17:22, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dragging an object with the right mouse button 

message: I would like to see in this article or in another article with a link in this one of a comparison of mouse technologies (ball, optical, laser and bluetrack) - precision, surfaces where it works, etc. Can anyone gather this information?
512upload (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison of mouse technologies 

message: The introduction says that the Xerox 8010 Information System had the first integrated mouse
but later in the article it said that Telefunken had the first mouse, and xerox had the second
I'm going to keep the article consistent with itself, and remove/change the intro to say reflect the fact that Telefunken was first. If this is wrong, feel free to correct me; I'm not a mouse expert  Megacellist (talk) 13:45, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article self-contradiction 

message: I was specifically looking for info about horizontal wheels. I remember mice in the past with true horizontal wheels. But now days all documentation appears to insinuate horizontal scrolling is always via "tilt" functionality. Which is quite different from a wheel. That said the Win32 API looks like a wheel. Are horizontal wheels extinct? If not programmers should be able to distinguish between a "tilt" and wheel proper (for now it seems that's not an option -- for Microsoft Windows anyway)
Either way, there's virtually nothing about wheels to be seen (unless I missed something) and what there is seems to assume the reader is keyed in --72.173.160.50 (talk) 07:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing much about wheels 

message: I have taken photos of two examples of the Hawley X063X Mouse Mark II and released them under a CC-BY-SA license in case anyone is interested in adding them to this article. They can be found here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.113.171 (talk) 20:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  CC licensed photos of the Hawley X063X Mouse Mark II

message: Come on everyone...that mouse looks and is so old. There are so many new ones out, they dont even have to look futuristic like some of these new ones coming out, How about the Microsoft Comfort Optical Mouse 3000.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.76.181 (talk) 20:46, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Mouse Picture!!! 

message: You have the standard mouse layout, you have the various technologies of mice, yet I didn't see at all any mention of the new Apple gesture mouse.  While it isn't world famous, I believe that it should get a mention somewhere, perhaps under Operation?  I can't figure out a better place for it.  Timex1 (talk) 15:23, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple's New Gesture Mouse 

message: I think this is a poor picture.  The text under it refers to two versions, presumably colors.  With my eyes (I am not color blind) and on my screen (typical MS vintage about 2009), I don't see any difference between the two. 211.225.34.185 (talk) 08:13, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are color blind.  Dicklyon (talk) 16:37, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur with Dicklyon.  The photo vividly illustrates Apple's shift away from beige towards white plastic.  It's either your eyesight or you need a better monitor. --Coolcaesar (talk) 10:17, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

text: There are distinct colors for the mice. I do not know why you don't see a difference. It could be your monitor, but a 2009 system should be running with 24-bit color. Some people who can discern colors are still color blind but may not know it; a small red-green color blindness is common; there's an Ishihara test. My father, after his cataract surgery, remarked that everything had an unnoticed yellow tinge; whites were now much brighter to him. There could be many reasons, but the picture does show distinct colors. Glrx (talk) 15:55, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1986 Apple mice photo 

message: The article could (should?) include the LG XM-900, which replaced the scroll whell with a second optical sensor.
Most of the photos depict Microsoft products. The article should NOT give so much room for a particular brand. Worse, sometimes the photos are almost pointless (mouse with a mousepad!). Please, replace photos with images hiding the manufacturer name.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.212.23.130 (talk) 17:37, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  LG second camera not featured ; Lots of Microsoft photos 

message: In the section Connectivity and communication protocols, there is absolutely no mention whatsoever of the fact that the Amiga uses an Atari standard 9-pin joystick connector for mice/mouses, but with different pins meaning different things. Should I add this to the article? JIP | Talk 19:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As there have been no comments about this, I gone ahead and have added the information. JIP | Talk 21:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connectivity and communication protocols 

message: The section titled "Mouse speed" actually deals with pointing transfer functions and contains a few erroneous statements. 
The text says "the higher the CPI, the faster the cursor moves with mouse movement", for example. Although I agree this is what happens with current systems, the reason for this is that these systems poorly implement the concept of transfer function.
The following paper explains both how things should work and how they actually work on Microsoft Windows, Apple OS X and with the Xorg server:
G. Casiez and N. Roussel. No more bricolage! Methods and tools to characterize, replicate and compare pointing transfer functions. In Proceedings of UIST'11, the 24th ACM Symposium on User Interface Software and Technology, pages 603-614, October 2011. ACM. http://interaction.lille.inria.fr/~roussel/publications/2011-UIST-libpointing.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cargamax (talk • contribs) 15:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mouse speed" 

message: http://www.macworld.com/article/137400/2008/12/mouse40.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.183.163.155 (talk) 12:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. That source, which states the first mouse with a ball was designed in 1972, certainly contradicts the text you've been removing, which states a mouse with a ball already existed in 1968.  Does anyone know whether the removed text correctly represents the German source it cites?  Or of any reason to believe one source over the other? Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Contradicts" may be too strong an interpretation.  The writer of that article just didn't know about the earlier ball mouse at Telefunken.  Dicklyon (talk) 16:41, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  More Douglas C. History of Mouse (movies and more) on this Page: http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.183.169.181 (talk) 21:36, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Doug is a friend of mine, and the history of his mouse is well known.  Not many sources have been aware of the Telefunken mouse that was independently developed about the same time, however.  That is not a reason to remove the material that seems to be reasonably sourced.  Dicklyon (talk) 03:52, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, but "The trackball was invented by Tom Cranston, Fred Longstaff and Kenyon Taylor working on the Royal Canadian Navy's DATAR project in 1952. It used a standard Canadian five-pin bowling ball."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.183.169.181 (talk) 07:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Mouse 

message: The non-free image of the first computer mouse is used in this article in compliance with the fair use guidelines for non-free images. Although there is a free image of the same object, it doesn't provide the same information for which the current one is being used; so it's not a free equivalent with respect to criterion WP:NFCC#1 for "the same encyclopedic purpose" - to "illustrate the size and grappling position of the first created mouse prototype (from which the name "mouse" was derived), and the structure on which the wheels are mounted."
A consensus was developed to keep this non-free image for this article, and the free image everywhere else (see how the consensus was achieved here and here). Unless consensus changes through further discussion, this image should not be removed from this article. Diego (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with your analysis of the consensus. Disavian (talk) 02:56, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current consensus is that non-free image of Engelbart mouse is legit use 

message: Without wanting to call the entire Wikipedia citing structure into question, just how reliable a source should the internal, programmer-commented config settings file structure of an ancient and probably arbitrarily-chosen mouse driver be considered for sourcing the technical name of something? They might just have made it up as an easy thing to write for their own purposes. In this case, using "mickeys" in place of "individual mouse movement sensor reports"... which through what seems to be very loose interpretation by whoever wrote the wiki text based on it, has somehow mutated into "0.1mm" and some vague reference to it as "mouse speed" in terms of "pixel movements per physical mouse movement" (in other places that then refer back to this slightly confusing article). Especially with the difference in vertical and horizontal mickeys, which is a total fallacy - any normal mouse will give the same reporting resolution on both axes; MOUSE.SYS just defaulted to halving it's output counts (based on the mouse input and a software-based multiplication factor) for the vertical direction because, given the sheer age of the reference material, the usual standard at the time was for approximately 640 horizontal and 200 vertical pixels, but displayed in a frame originally designed for 320x200 (or 640x400), so each pixel's height was double that of its width.
Is there anything more solid, a better reference manual addressing mouse interfacing and hardware etc in general that describes mouse sensor counts in this way and defines them as a particular physical distance, rather than a particular (DOS? Unix? I _think_ it's the former) programmer's guide designed simply to tell you how to hook into the mouse driver and use it to control your programs?
I never heard of the term before today, when it was referenced on a quiz somewhere, investigation of which led me back here. Been using mouse-driven GUIs since about 1990, but never heard of anything other than DPI (or CPI or PPI or whatever, usually 200... 300... 600... rather than the multiples of 254 that "0.1mm" would imply) and software acceleration factors. 87.114.179.252 (talk) 15:41, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I had never heard of it either (I don't do Windows), but if you do a search for "Mickey Pixel Ratio" you'll find it all over, including a fair number of books and magazines.  Dicklyon (talk) 23:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

text: I tried to make what it says about Mickeys more sensible, but I don't find any great definition in sources, so I'm not so sure I got it quite right.  Is a Mickey really 1/200 inch?  Or is it in general the step that the mouse reports as a count?  Dicklyon (talk) 01:36, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know, but my impression is a mickey is the arbitrary unit that the mouse reports as a count in the status packet. This page (apparently citing PC Magazine  May 28 1991 v10 n10 p413) states the packet reports mickeys. This page suggests that the PS/2 mouse could be programmed to change its reported unit to accommodate more resolution or faster travel (changing mickey unit to avoid overflow rather than changing the mickey/pixel ratio). Glrx (talk) 01:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've been coding for Windows since 3.0 (i.e. late 1980s) and the "mickey" has been a unit of regular discourse amongst device driver writers since at least then. I've rarely used it myself, but when getting obscure stuff like custom trackballs or joystick controls to work, I've had to deal with it. As it's a somewhat hardware dependent unit, any decent layered OS will hide it away from application developers as far down the stack as possible. It's hard enough for GUI developers to work with pixels in a world of points and ems (if they're trying to make flexibly-sizable windows), let alone mickeys. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mickeys 

message: In an obituary for inventor Douglas Engelbart, the NYT comments:
"(When and under what circumstances the term “the mouse” arose is hard to pin down, but one hardware designer, Roger Bates, has contended that it happened under Mr. English’s watch. Mr. Bates was a college sophomore and Mr. English was his mentor at the time. Mr. Bates said the name was a logical extension of the term then used for the cursor on a screen: CAT. Mr. Bates did not remember what CAT stood for, but it seemed to all that the cursor was chasing their tailed desktop device.)" 
Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 09:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: I quickly read through the article about "Mouse" but couldn't find anything about those small things underneath the mouse (usually four of them): anti-friction pads, glides, feet or whatever it's called. Maybe someone could add a few words about this? Perhaps someone more educated in the world of mice?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vedlikeh0ld (talk • contribs) 16:31, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On my hp two-button wheel mouse, there are two pads. Kdammers (talk) 02:44, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mouse glides/feet/anti-friction pads 

message: I'm removing the statement that one mickey is approximately 1/200th of an inch, since it's blatantly false and unsourced. Computer mice commonly have resolutions higher than 200 DPI; for instance, I have mine working at about 5000 DPI, so moving the mouse by 1/200th of an inch would make it report about 25 mickeys instead of one. Reinistalk 23:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mouse speed section a mess 

message: i have always played with inverted Y axis coz it was the natural way for me from the 1st time. so aircraft handling has nothing or little to do with it. its about your head: tilt your head forward and u r looking down, tilt your head back, and u r lookin upwards. IMHO its a bit dumb to call the right way 'inverted' and to call the inverted way 'normal' but marketing dictates.
::Thank you! I am so tired of this "inverted" expression. Of course the term is, in fact, what is inverted. You're absolutely right! It's dumb to call the right way "inverted".  TiriPon (talk) 22:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invert Mouse - again 

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message: It seems to be a bit strange that the Telefunken Mouse is mentioned after the Engelbart Mouse even though the Telefunken Mouse was sold as a product months before the Engelbart Mouse was shown as a hand-crafted fretwork. 
So let us reorder the two paragraphs in the article. Schily (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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message: On the market there are normal and mini size mouse. But there is no definition what is "Normal-size" and "Mini-size" it should be noted by dimensions. Web page (https://evoluent.com/size/) gives idea about dimensions according to normal-size hand i.e. 17" (178mm). Please discuss in details mouse size in this article. Best regards.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.38.62 (talk) 10:38, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This might be too detailed to include in the article, but for actual mouse-users, it is a significant fact, so I'll mention it here and we can see if it's considered worthy of entry in the article.  The rollers wheeled mice pick up small particles of dust/dirt/lint/paper that then gradually but not slowly build up as ribbons of "dirt on the rollers.  This leads to poor functioning and finally malfunctioning or even nonfunctioning until some-one twists of the bottom donut ring and manually cleans the rollers. Kdammers (talk) 02:55, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I observered this may be missing from the article.  Some were more susceptible than others.  There was a gentle art to taking them apart and cleaning the gunk out of them.  Sometimes the mouse ball would benefit from being washed with soap, and Apple Mac mice balls with a toothbursh.  I would not have thought of these things myself so its probably sourceable somewhere! Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dirty mice 

message: Manually-operated user-select equipment, see this page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.123.167.223 (talk) 10:57, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, mice were invented at XEROX Palo Alto Research Center (PARC), and were named because they looked like mice, with a tail (cord), two eyes (buttons), and about that size -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:28, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Before the mouse was "invented" at XEROX, Telefunken did already sell them (the system was called RKS-100-86 (Rollkugelsystem) several months as part of a military 3D RADAR device that used a TR440 computer for graphical data processing. So what we can say for sure is that the name mouse was invented by XEROX. Schily (talk) 10:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

text: BTW: this article  nicely shows how the ball in the Telefunken mouse drives optical rotation angle sensors. Schily (talk) 10:49, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  So, you can say that the term "mouse" was used at first in 1981 by XEROX ? If true, this should be mentioned in the article because earlier mice were not termed "mouse". --Max schwalbe (talk) 08:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is mouse an acronym ? 

message: In the history part, it is mentioned that Engelbart already used this term in den 1960ths, as shown in a document from July 1965. I can't follow this, because the device is termed Computer-Aided Display Control in this document. Later documentes, "X-Y-position indicator for a display system" ... Might be that there already was "mouse" as an inofficial nickname. But it should be noteably for this article, who used the term "mouse" officially at first. I guess this was in the early 1980ths when mouse devices were established as a consumer product. But, as it seems, the term "mouse" was not protected by one of these companies as it's brand. Actually surprising ...  --Max schwalbe (talk) 09:40, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You can read the 1965 report, where the word "mouse" is used multiple times to refer to the device. It is reference #3 in this article. The team certainly used the word "mouse" to describe the device before 1965, but that was not published before 1965. --Frmorrison (talk) 15:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur.  It's definitely mentioned in the July 1965 report.  --Coolcaesar (talk) 18:07, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin ot the term "mouse" 

message: as it is also called, so maybe a mention except only in see also. I know it is a Pointing stick but it bears more resemlance to a mouse than to a joystick. 89.201.184.159 (talk) 22:57, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  nipple mouse 

message: ODiN is first laser projection mouse (around 2016). It's also called (first) laser projector trackpad 
It's a question of whether it should be considered a mouse or a trackpad. It would deffinitely be good addition. 89.201.184.8 (talk) 23:15, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: projection mouse or trackpad

message: I think the article should mention that mice are replaced by trackpads in most laptops today, after a period where "trackballs" and Pointing sticks were equally frequent. — MFH:Talk 23:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trackpad and mouse replacements on laptops 

message: Engelbart collaborator Roger Bates has claimed the device is named after the cursor, then called the CAT, not for it's resemblance to the animal.
*https://books.google.ca/books?redir_esc=y&id=cTyfxP-g2IIC&q=chasing#v=snippet&q=chase&f=false
*https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/technology/douglas-c-engelbart-inventor-of-the-computer-mouse-dies-at-88.html
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: Thanks, I have added this to the article. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:33, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Mouse speed section needs more valuable information. There are two main parameters for mouse speed i.e. clicking speed and tracking speed. 
The clicking speed depends on different factors like DPI, polling rate, and how fast a person can press the mouse button. While switches are a hardware choice, mostly Omron switches are considered better. For polling rate, the higher the more number of clicks it can report every second.
The individual clicking speed varies from person to person and click speed can be checked online. An average person can do 5-7 clicks per second, while professional gamers can do over 12 clicks per second. And, it can be improved with practice.
The tracking speed is directly related to the polling rate which means the frequency at which mouse reports its position to the computer. It is measured in Hz. Polling rate can vary from as low as 125 Hz (125 times in 1 second) to as high as 1000 Hz (1000 times in 1 second).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.97.136.130 (talk) 18:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't Mouse Speed Section mention DPI, Polling rate & Click Speed? 

message: It would be good to expand types section (into more sub/sub-sub sections):
*trackball mouse
*Pen Mouse 
*joystick Mouse
**Novint Falcon - a unique iteration
*vertical mouse  (can be a gaming mouse like Zalman FPSGun FG1000 Gaming Mouse)
*game specific mouse like Konami Pop'n Music Be-Mouse
*inflatable mouse  (Jelly Click)
*air mouse (MX Air Computer Mouse - can be used on a flat surface like a regular mouse or in the air like a remote control  or YUMQUA Finger Hand Held 4D Trackball mini Mouse - it has laser pointer, or Perific Wireless Dual Mouse) - this type could be considered 4D mouse
**Deanmark's AirMouse - completely wearable mouse  
**levitating mouse - Bat by  Vadim Kibardin - it seems it's just an idea for now  
* touchmouse (like Eclipse touchmouse)
* rotating round mouse  like Orbita Mouse
* Bendy-M mouse - maybe a unique version of 3D mouse 
*modular mouse (Razer Naga Trinity Gaming Mouse - comes with three interchangeable side plates) 
*foldable mouse (recon foldable mouse) 95.178.135.0 (talk) 18:38, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are very nice inventions, but it may end up not being published to the main article, Pen Mouse is also called as GStick. Kurt R.✉ 07:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other types