Talk:Sapere aude

message: No consensus to delete. Removed VfD notice. Seems to be consensus for redirect, but since there is a little content, it is more like a disambiguation. Delete debate archived below. -- Cecropia | Talk 14:21, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 2004 deletion debate

message: Wow, that's quite list this article has! I'd like to create a section called "Use as a Motto" and recategorize the list by type of institution -- government, higher education (colleges), primary and secondary education (grade schools), organizations (clubs, associations), and other (family crest, etc). Rather than simply create a new list, I will write the list into paragraph form. Before I start, your thoughts? --Martinship 19:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List recatigorization and copyedit into paragraphs 

message: I googled "sapere aude" pronounced (and various similar permutations) and couldn't find a pronunciation guide for this phrase.  Anyone know?  If so, should one go parenthetically in the lead? — Demong talk 08:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation 

message: This article was recently transwiki'd to Wiktionary.  It was subsequently turned into a soft-redirect to the Wiktionary page.  That soft redirect was reverted.  I've read the article yet again.  I find only meaning, origins and examples of usage (and a navbox of questionable utility).  Please show me the non-lexical content.  Rossami (talk) 16:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Without wanting to provoke anything here, two different people have now disagreed with you about this.  Every single article we have on Latin phrases features their meaning, origin, and usage, and nothing else.  What else do you suggest the article could actually contain?  See, for examples, E pluribus unum, Per capita or Carpe diem, or indeed anything in :Category:Latin mottos, :Category:Latin logical phrases, :Category:Latin legal phrases, :Category:Latin words and phrases and subcats, etc.  Are you suggesting they are all unencyclopaedic?  Every single article has meaning, origin, usage.  That's pretty much all you could ever have on a phrase, Latin or otherwise. Neıl ☎ 15:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can not agree with your starting premise that all our existing articles on Latin phrases are so limited.  At articles like Prima facie and Res ipsa loquitur, I see a detailed discussion of the legal concept (which happens to be synopsized by the Latin phrase).  Those article include a direct translation but the translation is only a minor part of the article.  (The same holds true for most of the logic articles.)  At E pluribus unum and carpe diem, I see a great deal of discussion about the social and historical significance of the motto.  Those articles go far beyond meaning, origins and usage examples.  I don't see that here, despite a more than reasonable amount of time for that content to have been added and despite a fair amount of my own research.  This page at its most expansive contained only a direct translation of the phrase (plus an alternate translation), a probable origin for the phrase and a listing of some colleges and other institutions that use it as a motto.  No underlying legal or philosophical concept, no extensive social or historical significance, nothing that seems to cross the boundary from lexical to encyclopedic.  I'm willing to learn.  If you see a way this page can be expanded into a proper encyclopedia article, please describe it.  I can't see it.  Rossami (talk) 02:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Wiktionary 

message: Under the "Foucault" header there seems to be a missing word: "Instead of a [blank], it becomes..." I have no clue what word is intended. If the original author could add it, I could perhaps avoid a fate in the insane asylum, tearing out my hair trying to figure out what it is. Thank you! Danopticon (talk) 02:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing content? 

message: While I agree that any list of institutions using the phrase as a motto is unnecessary, I feel it is definitely worth mentioning that it is widely used as such. I've added a short sentence to that effect to the lede. Note: this is NOT a licence to start listing institutions! Grutness...wha? 11:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  use as a motto 

message: Why is the enlightenment deemed problematic in the second paragraph? Stiginz (talk) 21:26, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problematic