Talk:.45-70

message: Anyone think Billy Dixon's shot is close enough to relevant to be worth mentioning? 
"Billy Dixon took a shot at a mounted Kiowa warrior, knocking him off of his horse at a distance that was later confirmed by a surveyor to be 1538 yards, or a full nine-tenths of a mile!"
It was believed to be a .50-70 or .50-90 (the .45-70 was only a year old at that point), but as the Sandy Hook tests show, the .45-70-500 stacks up pretty well against the bigger cartridges.  His record stood for the better part of a century, it's only being beat with the new .50 BMG rifles.  scot 04:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Billy Dixon

message: According to http://www.researchpress.co.uk/targets/ballistics/sandyhook02.htm, the .45-70-405 at 1500 yards required 5d20'4" of elevation, or about 320' of holdover.  1' is 1.05 inches at 100 yards, so 320' * 15 hundred yards * 1.05 inches equals 5040 inches, or 140 yards of holdover...holy s**t that's a lot of holdover.  Double check the math; arctan(1500/140)= 5.332, or 5d19'56" of angle, so 140 yards is correct.  
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ballistics/45_70_cowboy.html has ballistics chart for a .45-70-405 Cowboy load, so a BP load or equivalent.  With a 200 yard zero, the ballistics chart looks like this:
*yds inches
*100 +11.5
*200 0
*300 -41.1
*400 -116.5
*500 -230.1
So a 200 yard ain't gonna cut it for a max point blank range on a deer, that 11.5" hump puts you right over the back of the deer.  scot 15:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Data for update

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class.  Referencingand appropriate inline citation guidelines not met.    --dashiellx (talk) 16:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

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"Note that while the nominal bullet diameter was .45 inches..., the bore was actually closer to .458 inches...."
 
The BORE is in fact .450 inches.  It is the GROOVE diameter that was actually .458 inches.  The NOMINAL (as in "name of the cartridge") bullet diameter may be ".45," as in ".45-70," but the actual bullet diameter is sized to the GROOVE diameter.  This may sound a bit nit-picky, but those of us who reload our own spent cartridge cases understand the need for precise use of the language.  This is true particularly if we are exchanging information with other shooters/reloaders. 
Prodego talk 12:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction / Query 

message: It appears that .45/70 does not redirect to this article.  Is there any reason why this shouldn't be added?  It is a common spelling of the cartridge. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 02:53, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason it shouldn't be there, so I added it.  scot (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 14:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  .45/70 Redirect? 

message: I'm not sure about this line:
 The 45 caliber rifle was the principal arm of the US Army until 1893, long after European adoption of efficient repeaters using smokeless powder ammunition had made the American weapon obsolete as a military rifle.
Long after?  The first 'modern' military repeater (w/ hi-vel smokeless round) was the Lebel- introduced 1886.  The German Commission Rifle and Brit Lee-Metford (still black powder) followed in 1888, and the Mosin-Nagant in 1891. The Brits didn't adopt a cordite cartridge until 1891 nor nitrocellulose until 1894. So "long after" for the adoption of the M1892 Krag really overstates the case quite a bit.Solicitr (talk) 04:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exaggerated statement = POV? 

message: I can read: The heavier 500-grain (32 g) bullet produced significantly superior ballistics, and could reach ranges of 33,500 yards (31,200 m), which were beyond the maximum range of the .45-70-405.
33,500 yards? 
I think 3,500 yards (3,200 m) are more realistic. -- hmaag (talk) 09:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Maximum range

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* http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/PerCaliber2Guide/Rifle/Standarddata(Rifle)/458Cal(11.63mm)/45%2070%20Gov%2018000psi%20Trapdoor.pdf
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--JeffGBot (talk) 13:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

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thread_title:  Dead link 3 

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thread_title:  Dead link 6 

message: my 1881 trapdoor springfield shoots high which is typical.the suggestion i got is to aim low..did they have that problem in 1881?what did they do?at 300ft, im about at least one foot high..my carbine was a rifle cut down to a carbine.so the sights are not correct for a carbine.. the rear is graduated up to 4 which i think is 50 ft per number.please advise           thanks   bob L  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.233.76 (talk) 13:35, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  adjusting your aim with a 1881 trapdoor when they shoot high 

message: At Special:Diff/980547499, you changed:
: This round in effect made the .45-70 rifle into a 49 gauge shotgun.
to
: This round in effect made the .45-70 rifle into a 49 gauge shotgun.
(i.e., changing "49 gauge" to ".49 gauge"). I believe it was correct to begin with. According to the formulas at Gauge (firearms)#Calculating gauge (confirmed by the conversion table below it) ".49 gauge" equates to a mammoth 2.1" bore. The correct calculation for the 0.458" bore yields 48.6 gauge (49 is close enough). I've changed it back to the previous value for this reason. Did I miss something? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  .49 gauge