Talk:List of Eagle Scouts/Archive 1

message: === Naming ===
based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions, this list should be moved to List of Eagle Scouts. Gentgeen 06:03, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: That appears to have been done. --Amoore 01:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Once an Eagle scout, one is always an Eagle scout.
Therefore, the killers can not be removed from the list and can not have their Eagle status revoked, as this conflicts with the Boy Scouts of America's rules. Segekihei 01:48, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Gadget850 and I were working on almost the same task at the same time.  I just finished mine.  What I did was go through this whole list (except Moore which is locked) and ensure their article mentions they are Eagles and have the Eagle category, as well as, if applicable, their Disinguished Eagle Scout status and add that catergory in. Yesterday I made the DESA category and list. I also created articles for some who were missing articles (but not all of them). Rlevse 16:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Administrative

message: based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions, this list should be moved to List of Eagle Scouts. Gentgeen 06:03, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: That appears to have been done. --Amoore 01:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: To quote Eagle scout:
:::Once an Eagle scout, one is always an Eagle scout.
Therefore, the killers can not be removed from the list and can not have their Eagle status revoked, as this conflicts with the Boy Scouts of America's rules. Segekihei 01:48, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding removal of names 

message: I'm making sure that everyone on the list who has a Wiki article has the fact that they are an Eagle Scout in their write and have the Eagle Scout category on their page.  Rlevse 11:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eagle Scout category and bios

message: I just finished fixing the articles that linked to Eagle Scout, changing them to Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America):  these pages will now show up from what links here on the Eagle scout rank (Boy Scouts of America) page.
*I did not change user or talk pages.
*I did not change pages that refer to the US and Phillipine Eagle Scout in one link.  I might go back and clean those up later.
*Cleaned up Queen's Scout and Eagle (disambiguation)
*The one exception was Michael Moore: his page is currently protected due to some controversy.
I also made minor changes where the article stated "former Eagle Scout".
I also added the tag for Eagle Scout category for pages that did not have them.
*I did not add the Eagle Scout tag for McMahon and Judge as that page involves two people.
*I see that Rlevse added the tag.
I also fixed SMS (comics) to link to Eagle Awards (a UK comic book award) instead of Eagle Award (a redirect to Eagle Scout).
--Gadget850 12:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gadget850 and I were working on almost the same task at the same time.  I just finished mine.  What I did was go through this whole list (except Moore which is locked) and ensure their article mentions they are Eagles and have the Eagle category, as well as, if applicable, their Disinguished Eagle Scout status and add that catergory in. Yesterday I made the DESA category and list. I also created articles for some who were missing articles (but not all of them). Rlevse 16:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation (dab)

message: === Protect? ===
I think that this will do absolutely zero good, but I think that this page should be protected.  The page has been vandalized several times in the last month or so, presumably by the same user using different IPs/usernames...Segekihei 23:48, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Finis White"+scout returns 3, but one of those is a Wikipedia mirror. See also Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Finis White. Dbiv 18:49, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See the requests for page protection for more on User:Sistertina and her desire to have Mr. White and Mr. Reed added to this list.  Also see the Eagle Scout article for more on her determination to have these two men in the Wikipedia.
===Anonymous Vandal===
Gentlemen, Please note that anon vandal 71.143.6.66  among his other similar aliases is repeatedly vandalizing this page and making unsubstantiated, unsourced entries.  I respectfully inform you. CantStandYa 04:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Have we hit 3RR yet? Thesquire 08:01, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism, Reverts & Protection

message: I think that this will do absolutely zero good, but I think that this page should be protected.  The page has been vandalized several times in the last month or so, presumably by the same user using different IPs/usernames...Segekihei 23:48, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protect? 

message: Gentlemen, Please note that anon vandal 71.143.6.66  among his other similar aliases is repeatedly vandalizing this page and making unsubstantiated, unsourced entries.  I respectfully inform you. CantStandYa 04:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Have we hit 3RR yet? Thesquire 08:01, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Anonymous Vandal

message: It might be useful to have a list on this page as well of people who are rumored to be Eagle Scouts but aren't -- the ones listed in the above-referenced rotten.com article (Manson, Bill Gates, Oliver North, G. Gordon Liddy) for starters. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 01:00, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This might be useful, as long as their real status is also indicated.  For example, Bill Gates made Life Scout, but not Eagle.  Thesquire 22:07, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: first, rumered is prob a bad word.  rumered implys that this is not a cut and dry thing.  you either are or you are not.  this is not a secret organization who doesnt let its memebership be known.  also, you will not be able to say who is and who is not.  if I was to say that i do think person x is an eagle, how would you confirm?  basiclly this list we have is our best idea of who is based on data we find without a true way (as in checking bsa records) for accuracy.  you are opening a can of worms if you start such a list.  person y gets on that list, someone says, no im sure that they really are.  then how do we decide? Cavebear42 17:47, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Cavebear, I think you misunderstand me. I'm assuming there actually is a way to confirm whether or not someone is an Eagle Scout, either that the BSA directly says so or that a reputable source has said so. I think having a list (separate, at the bottom, clearly denoted as not being Eagles) would be useful to stop the spread of misinformation, so that people don't wonder whether or not their names are simply omitted. (I may be bold and put it there later, but now merely a quick reply...) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 20:32, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I do see your point but im saying that there is not a way (that i know of) to confirm or deny such things.  i see that it could save the frequent removal of names which do not belong, but i wasnt aware that this was a problem (aside from the vanity we experianced earlier).  my point is that we dont have a list of people who are not jews but are thought to be on the list of jews nor do we have a list of songs that are misinterpeted and therefor dont belong on the list of songs about suicide.  there are a great deal of lists here and putting people up who are not eagles are giving credit where credit is not due in a move against what the norm is here.  i would want to see more pages, as examples, setting a president for attempting to clear up common misconceptions before we proceed with such a move. Cavebear42 22:56, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks for looking it up first. If you haven't already done so, see the CRITERIA at the top of this page (which Bundy would meet).  I know he was a Scout and probably a SM/ASM, possibly an Eagle.  YIS, Randy, Rlevse 20:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I got Jimmy Stewart's IMDB  page corrected! --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: People rumored to be Eagle Scouts

message: I've heard multiple times that Bundy was an Eagle Scout. I'm currently looking for a reputable source supporting this. Worldtravller 19:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for looking it up first. If you haven't already done so, see the CRITERIA at the top of this page (which Bundy would meet).  I know he was a Scout and probably a SM/ASM, possibly an Eagle.  YIS, Randy, Rlevse 20:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ted Bundy, Eagle Scout? 

message: I saw so much conflicting info on whether these three people were Eagle Scouts, that I finally sent a letter to NESA about it.  Terry Lawson, of Eagle Scout Services, NESA, BSA responded to me in a letter dated 09 June 2005 that these men are NOT Eagle Scouts, so please stop putting them in the list (they should be in the "incorrectly regarded as" list.  Re: Fonda, he was a Scout and a Scoutmaster, but not an Eagle Scout (and yes, I know his daughter, Jane, incorrectly states his is one of us in her book). I also know Jimmy Stewart was a strong supporter of Scouting too--I think he was a Scout himself.  As for Cronkite, I don't know if he supported Scouting or was a Scout. Bottom line is, NESA says they weren't Eagle Scouts, and that's what we should go with--that's what I'd call an official source, not books or web pages.  If anyone would like to have a scan of this, leave a msg on my talk page on how to send it to you.  Rlevse 16:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I got Jimmy Stewart's IMDB  page corrected! --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, and Walter Cronkite

message: I fixed the link for Jim Rogers.  It was pointing to a Jim Rogers b. 1942 (too old for our guy) and had a middle initial of "B".  Our Jim Rogers was b. abt 1950 (Eagle in 1965) and has a middle initial of "D".  As it's a common name, wiki probably needs a disambiguation page for it. Rlevse 14:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jim Rogers

message: ===Snoopy ===
The Snoopy entry was bugging me, but I did not have the heart to kill it.  When I found out that Archer was an Eagle, I created the new section.  I was a bit ambivalent about it at first, but they do pass the notability test.  --Gadget850 01:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional

message: The Snoopy entry was bugging me, but I did not have the heart to kill it.  When I found out that Archer was an Eagle, I created the new section.  I was a bit ambivalent about it at first, but they do pass the notability test.  --Gadget850 01:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Snoopy 

message: Indiana Jones - From the article on The Last Crusade:
*In the Boy Scout Scene, Indiana Jones is a Life Scout. There at least two are claims as to why this is:
**1) He was supposed to be an Eagle Scout, but the badges are not given out to anyone other than Eagle Scouts - So he had to be just one under. (Critics of this theory note that a costume department with a big budget could have just had one made.)
**2) Indiana Jones was a Life Scout in honor of Eagle Scout Steven Spielberg's father who had passed away recently and who earned the rank of Life Scout in his youth.
I'm not sure how to best word the Harison Ford entry and the Indiana Jones entry to best get this across. Also, in the movie he is a Life Scout but that dosen't mean the character never reached Eagle. --L1AM 01:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Indiana Jones

message: Listed in fictional section because he was called an Eagle Scout in the series (see footnote in article); note: although technically, as a Brit, he should either be a King Scout or a Queen Scout depending on the reigning monarch in that future--but that presupposes that system in still place in the future, they all may have changed to Eagle Scouts in the future.  Also, he could also have dual citizenship.  Also, keep in mind this is in TV/Movie land and they don't always get everything right-;) Rlevse 17:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Malcom Reed

message: I've created List of Distinguished Eagle Scout Award recipients, with a redirect from Distinguished Eagle Scouts, along with a :Category:Distinguished Eagle Scouts.  I'll be working these while adding with this list, to get them all up to date and linked, along with recipient bios. Rlevse 16:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Distinguished Eagle Scouts

message: suing a famous group does not make one famous.
:Lawsuits have made many people famous. Especially Supreme Court cases. -Willmcw 06:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Boy Scouts of America v. Dale isn't just any lawsuit in regards to the BSA. "Landmark case" status is a POV matter, but every case has a winning and losing side so that is not the determinant. Dale and his lawsuit have had more effect on the BSA than, for example, "Percy Sutton, attorney, businessman (chairman of the board of City Broadcasting Corp.)" -Willmcw 17:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Percy and Dale aside, this list is obviously too short. Though there are some red links, my guess is that there are scores or hundreds of additional blue links that could be added. There have been more than a million Eagle Scouts, after all. Could we add some of those "generic lists" as sources and work up from there? This list should be probably twice or five times as long as it is now. I also suggest that we try to make sure that biographies included in this list mention their subject's BSA rank. Cheers, -Willmcw
good idea.
grazon 18:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  dale isn't important 

message: I am uncomfortable with political candidates being listed on the page. Does candidacy alone make someone notable? evrik 21:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If they are a candidate and lose, I'm okay with delisting them from our list, but their own separate article may or may not be worth keeping--standard Wiki rules would apply.  If they win a state or national office, I think they should be on the list here, with an article. If they are a current candidate: is there something else they are notable for?  If so, keep, if not, I could go either way on that one.  I would not object totheir removal from the list. Fawcett may be otherwise notable, Filson probably isn't. Rlevse 01:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I rather agree with you on the notability, and five years from now we might find those articles gone.  I'd rather go with the WP standard than hack out one of our own and go through the edit wars of the past.--Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: See your point, but if someone has been elected to a state or national office, they'll meet the WP standards.  Modify the need criteria I put up as you see fit, Ed. Rlevse 10:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Candidates

message: http://users.aol.com/randywoo/bsahis/famous.htm
Nothing new there: I compared it long ago. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  High ranking folks in other countries  

message: deleted Anthony P. Marzocca: This entry will be removed on 16 Feb 2006 if a citation is not provided. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto.  It does not meet the criteria for inclusion at the top of this talk page.Rlevse 17:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pending deletions

message: Thank you for your interest in this article.  Please format your footnotes per the page standard. Ferguson looks like he may meet the criteria for inclusion (see top of the talk page), but Emma appears not to.  Please provide more info on Emma or he will be deleted. You may want to get an account and write Wiki articles on them too.  Rlevse 11:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Emma and Ferguson

message: I just added Edgar Cunningham (first black Eagle Scout) and Alexander Holsinger (one millionth Eagle Scout). I also removed Randall Newton because the didn't meet that inclusion criteria. I'd also like to propose that instead of just putting "John Doe, athlete (baseball)" the team the person played for, the position they played or anything else a little more specific. (See Albery Belle or William Bradley on list) Also instead of just "astronaut" the flights they were on might also be included i.e. Apollo 11, etc.Worldtravller 19:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One line summary is plenty for this page (99% of the time) and Worldtravller is right that more than "astonaut" is warranted, but Ed is right to not be too wordy.  Holsinger is no more significant than any of us, numerically speaking, so I'm removing him. Cunningham, IMHO, is historically significant and notable in that regard; but I'm changing the wording on him to reflect he may not be the first.  Fourteen years is a long time for someone else to have made it, but also recall there were not many black Scouts back then.
*Worldtravller: you whacked out the footnoting when you made these entries.  You put in the ref but not the note part.  I fixed it.  Rlevse 22:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also Scouting didn't appear everywhere at once. It would have taken time for it to spread. I thought I had included everything when I put the footnotes in. Guess I didn't copy the format of the others as well as I thought I did. Thanks though. Worldtravller 01:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Additions and Suggested Changes

message: I suggest that we NOT use lists such as The Congress and Scouting as the cite.  Even though this particular list is from BSA, I have my doubts about some on it, such as Gordon Smith.  If a politician's web site does not show him as an Eagle Scout and DESA then I have my doubts.
Also: Cites should be added ONLY for red-link individuals.  If that person has an article, the cite should go in the article.  Adding cites here for everyone is going to get huge.
--Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Evrik converted the footnotes to Cite.php, the numbering scheme is now automatic. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure.  I do believe I added the cite to each of the articles some time back. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I procured the letter from Lawson, not you Ed-;) Rlevse 01:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes you did get it from Lawson.  I added it as a citation to the articles on Cronkite, Stewart and Fonda. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: OK.  BSA and NESA should be good lists.  The NNDB list is suspect IMHO. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't trust NNDB either, I have found several errors in it. They are bad about updates too. Rlevse 18:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I've seen that list too.  I don't trust it. If we can, we need to verify Hank Aaron.  I've seen some conflicting reports on him.  His Silver Buffalo is legit, I know. Rlevse 02:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists and cites

message: I stumbled onto NNDB.com, a relational database of noteworthy names.  One of the items you can select on is Eagle Scout .  I've found a number of people on this list that are not on the WP Eagle list.  I just need to verify the veracity of Eagle and see if they have a WP article.  As usual, there are some inaccuracies, for example, Walter Cronkite is listed (I submitted an update).  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen that list too.  I don't trust it. If we can, we need to verify Hank Aaron.  I've seen some conflicting reports on him.  His Silver Buffalo is legit, I know. Rlevse 02:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another list

message: I just did a quick tour: current BSA people categories are:
* :Category:Alpha Phi Omega brothers
* :Category:Alpha Phi Omega honorary brothers
* :Category:Distinguished Eagle Scouts
* :Category:Eagle Scouts
* :Category:Fictional Eagle Scouts
* :Category:Silver Buffalo awardees
--Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: === Rotten dot com===
Has anyone else looked at the site Rotten dot com? There are several people on the list whjo aren't on the wiki list. evrik 14:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per page guidelines, we are not to use internet lists to add people to this article. (save a few stated exceptions such as the one confirmed DESA list and BSA lists) as many are inaccurate. Rlevse 19:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fallen Eagles 

message: Has anyone else looked at the site Rotten dot com? There are several people on the list whjo aren't on the wiki list. evrik 14:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per page guidelines, we are not to use internet lists to add people to this article. (save a few stated exceptions such as the one confirmed DESA list and BSA lists) as many are inaccurate. Rlevse 19:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rotten dot com

message: I would like to update the guidelines.  I went through the current version and clarified and codified several items.  Please review the proposal and discuss here.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:47, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it, much more readable and professional looking. Granted, mine was a rough draft (the one currently on the page). Rlevse 19:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Excellent work, Gadget. --Habap 20:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guidelines

message: ===Jack Bowen===
Jack Bowen, The Dream Weaver : One Boy's Journey through the Landscape of Reality
* Author, Olympian
: http://www.almanacnews.com/story.php?story_id=1272
:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/032132823X/002-3727814-8814445?v=glance&n=283155
:1996 Olympic team
:http://www.h2opolo.com/pologuide/profiles/bowen.html
:http://www.dreamweaverphilosophy.com/jack.html#author
*Is this a question? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable?

message: Jack Bowen, The Dream Weaver : One Boy's Journey through the Landscape of Reality
* Author, Olympian
: http://www.almanacnews.com/story.php?story_id=1272
:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/032132823X/002-3727814-8814445?v=glance&n=283155
:1996 Olympic team
:http://www.h2opolo.com/pologuide/profiles/bowen.html
:http://www.dreamweaverphilosophy.com/jack.html#author
*Is this a question? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jack Bowen

message: I just removed this entry
*William A. Schwarz II, RN, Occupational Health Nurse Practioner
I don't think it passes the notability test.
*http://www.marssociety.org/MDRS/fs04/crew33
--evrik 18:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: William Schwarz

message: Will be deleted in two days if proof of notability not submitted. Rlevse 18:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maynard

message: This one is legit.  His real name is William Henry Keeler, Cardinal is his title in the Catholic Church. He is also a DESA.  Found him on my own/BSA DESA list and several web hits, easily verifiable as the person listed him on the DESA list too.  See Church page on Keeler and other web sites, such as mine own. Rlevse 20:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: William Keeler

message: With a modicum of work, this could be a featured list.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured list

message: I've been working a new layout for this article.  Please take a look at User:Gadget850/Sandbox2 and let me know your thoughts. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I love it!Rlevse 14:33, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Hey- your opinion here.  I've just been fiddling with the table syntax (a bit different from HTML) and was curious how it looked to you.  I would really like more feedback on this, but so far only you and Randy.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 00:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the tables, more balance and structure.Rlevse 01:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New layout

message: I would like to get a consensus on this, please.  A table format like User:Gadget850/Sandbox2 or a list format as it is now.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote

message: The biggest change is in the use of the gold eagle instead of the DESA text and the addition of a few thumbnails.  I have also gone through and updated each entry, as several had aged and were no longer quite correct.  I would like some feedback on this, so let me know what you thing.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New format

message: While going through this, I have gone through each article and have updated the list entry to match.  I have also noted the following issues:
*J. Willard Marriott is tagged as an Eagle in his article, where J.W. Marriott, Jr. is not.  It looks like Jr. should be noted as Eagle and DESA, but not Sr.  Any verification on this?
*Ray Suarez needs an Eagle category added to his article.  The article is currently tagged with a copyvio, so we need to wait until that is cleared to cat it.
--Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jr. is the DESA, not Sr. Please fix both. I fixed both. See any that need the project tag?Rlevse 18:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw you got to them first.  I think I'm done with this phase.  Next is to tackle the to-do lit at the top of the page, then run through your DESA list.  For example, a random search shows Ray Malavasi and John D. Waihee III have WP bios. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I just went through the Eagle Scout and DESA categories and matched them to the list.  Several articles have the Eagle cat but are missing from the list-  I have noted these above so that they can be verified.  I fixed a number of cats where the name was mispelled or some similar error.  I added the cats to several articles that where they were missing.  Sam Skinner has two articles- I switched the list to the better one and tagged both articles for a merge.
--Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maintenance 

message: Charles Manson is certainly a notable Eagle Scout, but every time he gets added here, he gets deleted. Therefore, the entire Wikipedia is a sham. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.214.156.48 (talk • contribs) 
Do you have a cite such as a newspaper article?  You may note that Russell Henderson and Charles Whitman are listed here as they have been verified.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Wikipedia is a SCAM 

message: We have done a LOT of work on this article of late, and I would like to promote it to a featured list (FL).  Some things we need to make this happen:
*Go through the requirements at What is a featured list?
**The basic reqirements are : useful, comprehensive, factually accurate, stable, and well-organised.  I think we meet all of those.  We have not had an edit war in quite a while, and hopefully the guidelines we have developed have resolved this.
*Finish going through the DESA list before we put it up for FLC.
*Redlinks need to be resolved- it looks like some featured list candidates are having issues with this.
*We need to ensure any images used have the proper tags.  Astronauts and politicians should be easy as those should be government photos.  While the images are not central to this article, I think they are nice.
**Marsalis is questionable, as this is from an album cover, and can only be used in the article on the album. removed
**Sid McMath has an obsolete tag- I asked the uploader to take a look at it. fixed
Please let me know your thoughts on this.
--Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent status/reality check and I agree. I'll help as time permits. Rlevse 14:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I count four red name links. How many do you think are worth making (stub) articles of vs deleting? I think this and a good lookover for format errors is all we need to list at FLC. The DESA list is pretty well worked for ones we can prove, though a few possible/probables may be left we could add later. Rlevse 14:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm for removing them and putting them on an archived list of known but not notable.  If someone want to add them, then they can create an article.  I am also inclined to remove the images from the incorrectly regarded section as it distracts from the focus of the article. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Do we really need the separate DESA criteria here?  This looks to be covered my the main citeria. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See my edits just done. My suggestion is you give it one last eyeball on format, consistency, etc and then list for FL. Rlevse 14:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured List 

message: I investigated Chris Smith some time back.  He is on the BSA and the Congress list (and the deprecated NNDB list), but I can't independntly verify that Chris Smith (US politician) is the one.  He is on the list of possible Eagle Scouts that are unverified on the Investigated entries list. I welcome any citation that shows that he or some other Chris Smith in Congress is an Eagle Scout.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I lean to removing him, it's a very common name. Rlevse 20:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Done until we can get verification. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris Smith 

message: Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|Mike Rowe
Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|Percy Sutton
Image:Manuel Rivera.jpg| Manuel Rivera
Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|Beasley Reece
Image:Time 100 Michael Bloomberg.jpg| Michael Bloomberg
Image:Capt.wxs10602172112.belle arrested baseball wxs106.jpg| Albert Belle
Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg| Marion Barry
Here are some alternate photos we may want to consider using. --evrik 20:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We had the Sutton photo in once, but he's the one in the background--MalcomX is in the front; so we took the photo out. Bluford you can barely see. Barry is a known crack user. On a positive note, I really like the Rivera one and the Rowe one. Reese and Belle-I'm neutral on their photos. I say we let Gadget850 choose which ones to use in the final version before he lists it at FL candidates. Just my two cents. Rlevse 21:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice photo, but it's wide format and that may be an issue. Again, I defer to Gadget on final choice.Rlevse 21:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I see Gadget's point and since Evrik and I agreed to let him decide on the photo usage here, I say we stick to that. I feel it's Gadget's call. Rlevse 22:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: What are other similar lists named--with the 'notable' in them or not? I'd follow the standard practice. Bluford and Pierce dip well into the next letter section, but I leave what to do with them to you. Rlevse 10:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the B pictures push too far into the C section, other than that I think it's good to go for FL candidate. Rlevse 16:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos on Eagle page

message: I do like this photo ... --evrik 20:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice photo, but it's wide format and that may be an issue. Again, I defer to Gadget on final choice.Rlevse 21:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I see Gadget's point and since Evrik and I agreed to let him decide on the photo usage here, I say we stick to that. I feel it's Gadget's call. Rlevse 22:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: What are other similar lists named--with the 'notable' in them or not? I'd follow the standard practice. Bluford and Pierce dip well into the next letter section, but I leave what to do with them to you. Rlevse 10:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the B pictures push too far into the C section, other than that I think it's good to go for FL candidate. Rlevse 16:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Selection

message: I am not sure if this argument as arisen yet, but I think that the article should be named List of notable Eagle Scouts. With its current name, it should include non-notable Eagle Scouts which, as I see, is not the purpose. This would avoid confusion (if any) and be a more accurate title for its purpose. J.Steinbock 19:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it has come up. See the posting right above yours. THe more I think of it, the more I agree. Rlevse 19:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Name 

message: Propose this article be renamed to "List of notable Eagle Scouts" as it more cleary defines the scope of the list. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move/rename

message: I don't like the gold dots. I like the gold eagles much better. Rlevse 17:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Too small. I vote for letting Gadget850 decide this too. Rlevse 17:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: OK- uploaded a new 15 px PNG version.  This does fit better.  If accepted, I will update the whole article in one swoop.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: 15pix png seems okayRlevse 18:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gold dots

message: For ones we can't find refs for, we need to move to talk page's "Potential entries requiring investigation" section. Rlevse 12:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Once we finish the bulk, we should go back through these.  Again, these are entries I could not verify with a quick search. If there is still an issue, then move them to investigated. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The reason I am marking these is so that they stand out when we go back to check them. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: A problem with searches like "Joe Cool" "Eagle Scout" is that Wikipedia is so sucessful.  There are so many hits to derivatives of WP that it overwhelms the unique hits. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, that really irks me too. Rlevse 14:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: no refs

message: We now are down to cites for the non-Eagles.  We really need Hank Aaron.
I have done some searching, and the only real reference for Harrison Ford either way is in this article!  As I recall Hooks was only added because his article said he almost made Eagle and editors were adding him- his article no longer shows that.  I'm going to remove them for now.
A cite for Charles Manson would be nice as well. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrectly regarded as Eagle Scout

message: Looks like Rumsfeld is stepping down as SoD and Gates is nominated.  I suggest we update the list after this has happened. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen anything on the effective date, so lets just wait a bit.  Gates has to go through confirmation. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rumsfeld isn't out until January. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I added a comment in the entry- hopefully that will take care of this. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I make a lot of assumptions about good faith.  As an Eagle Scout, I'm supposed to.  :-)  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 22:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donald Rumsfeld/Robert Gates 

message: I'm considering a new layout.  Take a look at sandbox2 for a draft.  I did down through P just to get the idea.  Instead of trying to fill things up, I'm going for a bit more balance.  Frankly, a lot of the photos we have right now are so similar that there is not a lot of ocntrast.  Just give me a yea or nay on this. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, first, I don't like the layout of that other FL candidate you mentioned. As for your sandbox2, there are some things I don't like: the alpha letters and starting points of a Eagle line sometimes show up 1/3 of the way across the page, you get to see fewer pics (I like seeing what people actually look like), and I don't like the pics swapping sides as you go down the page. What I like about the current layout is the smaller gold eagles and the consistent pattern of alpha letters, starting line points, and consistent pics. Just my humble 2 cents. Rlevse 19:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image layout 

message: "Only about 1 in 1,000 of all Eagle Scouts have been presented this prestigious award."
I removed this as it is rather misleading.  There have been about 1.7 million Eagles Scouts and just under 1700 DESA- that does work out to 1 in 1000.  But, Eagle was first awarded in 1912 and DESA in 1969, thus we should only count the number of Eagles since 1969. We would have to do some calculating, but I don't think it is a notable figure, as we have the actual numbers.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true, there was a time in the beginning after DESA that the early Eagles were eligible-- see my desa list and Michael H. Antonacci as one example. Rlevse 00:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: OK- I got to thinking again (dangerous) and I realized the fallacy in my thoughts.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 04:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1 in 1000 

message: We need a cite for this or it is going to have to go. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: take it out, it's mere opinion. Rlevse 00:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidential Medal of Freedom  

message: Disambiguate the title my moving to List of notable Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America)
Please oppose or support:
*support that suggestion makes sense and your proposed rename follows the pattern of our other articles that are in that situation. Rlevse 10:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename/move (2) 

message: The NPOV tag was placed on this article by User:166.214.156.48.  No reason was given.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that's why I just took it off, you can't slap such a tag on an article and run off without leaving a reason.Rlevse 02:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I know that Al Gore is often cited as being an Eagle Scout in the press, for example here and here.  I'm not sure if it's true, but I think it should definitely be added to either the correct or incorrect list.
Kyle J Moore 19:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've not heard this before. While the WP is a solid source, I'm curious why it's not in his bio. Rlevse 21:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Gore 

message: Kudos to Gadget850 and Rlevse on all the fine work on this article. I see it's up for Featured List, I'll vote for it. Sumoeagle179 02:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kudos