Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Header

message: That's kind of a convoluted way of saying things.  No other noticeboard expects a "must" action, and this is not generally reflected in practice.  Anyone object if I go ahead and standardize the "you must" "you are expected to"? It may be less terse, but more consistent with current usage and other notification expectations. Jclemens (talk) 20:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  As a courtesy you must... 

message: In a hurry to address a problem, I just missed seeing the "dangerous personal information" because I was looking for "Outing". Any chance of tweaking that banner wording to add "(Outing)"? LeadSongDog come howl 22:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outing 

message: It seems that we get a number of posts where the text is so lengthy and convoluted it's hard to tell what is being asked of admins. I'm thinking that we should be adding a new point to "How to use this page" and also Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents that says that notifications on here must be short and to the point. What are others opinion? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be good. When I see walls of text, my head explodes. --Tom (talk) 17:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walls of text 

message: Do we really need to tell folks that, and how do we define those? --Tom (talk) 17:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Frivilous and unsubstantiated?

message: Yesterday, there was a discussion at the ANI Discussion page about slightly modifying something in this template.  The template currently says: "You must notify any user that you discuss." Thus, when a user opens an ANI thread, he may purposely discuss the alleged offender plus also discussing various editors who deplore the alleged offender, but carefully not discussing anyone who agrees with the alleged offender.  The latter people do not get notified.  Anyway, here's the language that was suggested to me: "You must notify any user who is the subject of a discussion." Of course, further people could be notified, but that would be covered by WP:Canvassing. I plan on making this change later today.Anythingyouwant (talk) 12:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notification 

message: Equaczion set the header to autocollapse, which I, personally, find annoying.  I've reverted the change, and am opening up this discussion to see where consensus lies. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically copying my response to BMK on his talk: I had set autocollapse as the default to tone down the header clutter on ANI. It seems like overkill to have such a large nav always displayed there, and takes focus away from the ANI instructions, which are more important. I think people tended to ignore everything at the top due to it being too confusing before. People who want to see the other available noticeboards can still show it when needed. Equazcion (talk) 23:22, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think not having the header there for reference whenever it's needed is simply going to increase the number of times people post inappropriately to AN/I instead of to the other noticeboards.  And then when they do, if they're told "You should have posted on X", they're likely to say "But I didn't see that" because it's collapsed and not staring them in the face.I'm sympathetic with the desire to streamline the mass of text at the top of AN/I, but I don't think collapsing the noticeboard header is a good idea.  Of course that's not a deal-buster, just a preference. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the intent is sound, I just doubt it works this way in practice. There's so much going on up there right now that I think it's more of a tl;dr. Equazcion (talk) 23:31, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

text: I had taken out purge, but just re-added it (different place, but should be just as easy to find). Equazcion (talk) 01:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Speaking of which, I'd love to be able to get stats on how often the "show" links are actually clicked next to "how to use this page", "are you in the right place", and the RFC nav box (I know that's currently impossible). I stuck to more-or-less uncontroversial changes for now though. Equazcion (talk) 04:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Seconding "unmanageable wall of cluttered text."  Support for cutting way down, but not for auto-collapse.  Please also note that auto-collapse is pointless for people (like me) on slow connections: You still see the whole thing while the page loads, and then it folds itself away. - 124.148.129.70 (talk) 10:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autocollapse 

message: The chronic problem with the header here is there's so much stuff it doesn't get read because banners are invisible. There is a prominent notice about oversight on the  edit notice -- folks who don't notice that are not going to read the the stuff at the top of the page; while should be oversighted stuff appears at ANI the existing issues -- failure to discuss first, failure to notify other editors et. al. are more common. NE Ent 23:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly doesn't hurt to add it. If even one person notices that line and makes their report via email rather than on ANI, that's a good bit of work saved for an oversighter, and more importantly much less visibility for the information being reported. Due to the size of this noticeboard, it may not be practical to remove these reports unless they're caught very quickly, and doing so often breaks the page history. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 16:34, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Anything that's added makes it less likely the rest of the header will be read -- per usability practices there should be way less here but I've never been able to get consensus to trim it down very much. NE Ent 19:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? It's one line of text. Considering the importance that oversight reports not be made in public, I think it's an important one to include. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 20:24, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this, then - there's already a line in the "Are you in the right place?" box on this. Rather than adding anything more, let's just move that where I tried placing the line yesterday so it's not hidden when someone goes to look at the header. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 20:28, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not following; added oversight and removed a couple lesser nags -- how's that look? NE Ent 21:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine to me. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 22:20, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed oversight link 

message: , why do we need a link for people that are blocked? They can't post on this page anyway, and won't their talk page have a template with instructions? Natureium (talk) 20:29, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Whew! For a second when I saw the title of your ping I thought I'd got blocked again. Of course, I'm used to it by now. Anyway, I was thinking the same thing, but I wasn't sure so I left it (transferred it from the AN header, actually). I guess we can remove it. I assume that when someone's blocked with no TP access, the can't-edit banner that comes up when they try to edit directs them to UTRS? EEng 21:12, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hahaha, no I just didn't want to try to load your talk page on my tablet and figured the question was appropriate for here anyway. Natureium (talk) 22:12, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

text: I think all these directions of where else to post things need to be made larger or in flashing lights, because so much of what is posted here should have been at AIV or RPP or AN3. Natureium (talk) 16:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blocked? 

message: Regarding this – Search
* Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajiul Huda Dipto: Comment on "the user should be reported to admin board". I suppose that you mean WP:ANI. That page says: "This page is for discussion of urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems." There is no urgent incident, and no evidence of a chronic, intractable behavioral problem.
* Talk:William Ferrers, 3rd Baron Ferrers of Groby: ANI is for "urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems".
* Talk:Falkland Islands: All edits were overturned twice with no discussion, then referred to some 'Incident' board for "urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems".
* Talk:Grievance studies affair: WP:ANI is not the appropriate venue, it's meant for "urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems."
* Talk:The Real Housewives of New York City: If you feel I've been exhibiting chronic, intractable behavioral problems, feel free to report me here.
* Talk:Amy Winehouse: If you need to report a chronic, intractable behavioral problem, or edit warring, rather than a content problem, consider WP:ANI instead.
* Talk:2019 World Snooker Championship: I therefore see the live scoring as a form of disruptive editing and suggest we move to WP:ANI which is specifically for "discussion of urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems."
* Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1019:
** Not sure what part of "urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems" this falls into, but a close of this is probably for the best.
**  Actually, the top of the page says "urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems". This seems like the latter.
** (this board is for , among which ""—itself verging on an aspersion and certainly lacking good faith—is not yet numbered)
** As it pertains to a "chronic, intractable behavioral" issue, this discussion is best suited to take place at ANI.
Hmm. wbm1058 (talk) 21:01, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm indeed. <nudge nudge> EEng 21:44, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Chronic, intractable behavioral problems" 

message: I think this link would condense a lot of links presently at ANI header. What do ya think? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 01:37, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Help button]] 

message: I really like having this button and didn't want to see it removed, but I don't feel confident enough to revert the change. It's a long noticeboard and sometimes I just want to see what the latest discussions are without committing to clicking on any in particular. What do others think? The Moose 17:40, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Skip to bottom" button 

message: Please can we alter You may use {{subst:ANI-notice}} ~~~~ to do so. which displays as
:You may use  ~~~~ to do so.
to You may use {{subst:ANI-noticethread=thread name of the discussion}} ~~~~ to do so. which will display as
:You may use  ~~~~ to do so.
This is so that the recipient (and other people reading the notice) can reach the relevant thread directly. See also Template talk:You should notify any user that you discuss#Suggestion for improvement: thread parameter and Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Header#Suggestion for improvement: thread parameter. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:37, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for improvement: thread parameter 

message: @Ca, as you're working on improving this, one thing that would be nice would be to improve the functionality here. This notice should ideally be quite prominent for those affected and disappear for those not affected.  would be the template to use to start (be careful — sometimes users you'd expect in a group aren't in it, e.g. admins aren't technically extended-confirmed), and perhaps there's some template that checks the page's protection status.  talk 07:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know that was a thing — thank for the tip! Ca talk to me! 07:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Ca, to clarify,  is not sufficient by itself, since if I understand correctly, this applies only when the page is protected, which is not always. So the protection status ideally needs to be checked as well (which can be done through a magic word, it appears). The edit you attempted failed, I think, because it included div tags within it, which the autoconfirm check (per its documentation) doesn't handle well. Cheers,  talk 08:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That fixed it! Ca talk to me! 08:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "If you are prevented from editing"