Template talk:Palestinians

message: I agree that more suggestions need be done in various sections. For example in history we need to start from pre-history and there are good articles about that. In political section we need to include all relevant articles mentioned above by by Tom. 
However I do not agree that this template is inherentaly problematic. This has been said about every thing related to Palestine in wiki. some people just want to se Palestine disappear from wiki pages. We should not listen to this POV. There is a land called Palestine. This land has people called Palestinians. They have history. They have present. there are many wiki articles about the land and people in Palestine. So obviously we need a template. --Thameen 13:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More Suggestions

message: I personally think the current title is appropriate to cover all the topics with the link leading to Definitions of Palestine and Palestinian Do people think it needs to change? Suggestions? Reasons?
:I think the current title is fine. People often come by Wikipedia looking for information about Palestine, even if it is not a country. Some are looking for historical info, some for political info, some for cultural info. I have added some things, but my formatting skills are zero. So if someone can fix the code, that would be great. Tiamut 14:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really think that it is going to get deleted because of the pro-Israel Wikipedia faction if you don't clarify the name a bit.  If you can modify the name slightly to avoid looking like you want to refer to the region of Israel and Gaza Strip and the West Bank, then their issues will be addressed or easily refuted as invalid.  I recommend the renaming occurs ASAP.  --Ben 12:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will change the name to Palestinians, I think Palestine is the most direct and straightforward way to title it  but Palestinians is also good. Pockets23 04:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was a wrong thing to change the title. To name the template Palestinians is wrong cuz this template is about Palestine and not Palestinians. I do not see the need for the name change. This template was named for deletion and was voted to stay as template:Palestine, so the name was accepted as such. --Thameen 10:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of Template 

message: Hi. I just wanted to ask people's thoughts on how to include Arab citizens of Israel in this list. Should we make a Palestinian people section? Also, I put A list of Arab localities in Palestine 1948 under Land of Palestine, but I am not sure if that is the right place for it. Should it be moved to History of Palestine? Lastly, I tried to make a Religion & Religious Sites section, but I don't know of an existing page that cover the religions of Palestine so I don't know how to title it. Any thoughts on these issues would be great. Good work so far everyone! Tiamut 14:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  People section? 

message: Is anyone aware of the reasoning behind the choice of notable personalities? I can think of quite a few names significantly more famous than many of those chosen....
:Feel free to provide a listing - you may want to look to other national groups' templates to see what kind of people are generally included. It seems that artists and scientists are popular (I suppose it is an attempt to highlight some of the less vocal members of the group). TewfikTalk 19:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, since nobody is arguing against this: I am removing him Huldra (talk) 11:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Personalities

message: In view of the recent revert-warring by Ramallite and Abu ali, I am requesting explanations as to why the following links must be included into the template about the Palestinian people:
*Balfour Declaration 
*British Mandate
*Transjordan
*Israel
*Israeli West Bank barrier
*West Bank Closures
*Biodiversity in Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip
*Religion
*Palestinian Jew 
*Druze
*Sunni Muslim 
*Al-Aqsa Mosque
*Church of the Nativity 
*Dome of the Rock
*Rachel's Tomb
*Church of the Holy Sepulchre
*Dance
*Arab cuisine
While it can be argued that Israeli West Bank barrier and West Bank Closures are relevant to the subject, there is already a link to Al-Aqsa intifada. Selecting Israeli West Bank barrier and West Bank Closures instead of, say, terror attacks only serves the purpose of advancing the Palestinian victimhood narrative. Palestinian Jew are Jews, not Palestinian Arabs; you need to completely redefine the concept of Palestinian people to make this link relevant. The links to famous religious buildings and sites (Al-Aqsa Mosque, Church of the Nativity, Dome of the Rock, Rachel's Tomb, Church of the Holy Sepulchre) are an example of appropriation of history. None of them was built by Palestinians; and of course, it's unprecedent to include links to buildings into a template on an ethnic group. I am at a loss about the reasons for including the rest of the links, like Israel, Religion, Druze, Sunni Muslim etc. This template is by far the largest in :Category:Ethnic group templates and needs significant cleanup, well beyond anything that has been attempted so far. Beit Or 16:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size and relevance 

message: This template could really use an image or a map or something.  It's quite plain as is.  --Abnn 20:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image or map requested 

message: User:Tiamut,
the reason given for this edit, being that "Damascus protocols do not even mention "palestinians" and that "Jewish exodus from Arab lands was not carried out by Palestinians", makes it hard for me to WP:AGF knowing my recent history with you. (House Demolition)
to make it clear, (1) Damascus Protocol were an Arab declaration of ownership/attempted ownership of a certain portion of the middle east which includes 'historical Palestine' a.k.a. land of Israel. (2) the Jewish exodus from Arab lands was the forced fleeing of over 700,000 Jews from Arab lands to the new state of Israel (including the parts that the Arabs lost for the Palestinians), a.k.a. population exchange. (3) there's a point where edit disputes cross the line of reasonable POV to downright vandalism.. i hope edits like this are not such an example, but only a case of not knowing enough about the articles you removed. JaakobouChalk Talk 03:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jaakobou, this template is entitled Palestinians. When articles are linked to this template that do not even include mention of the word Palestinian (like your insertion of Damascus Protocol, its a safe bet that they are misplaced. Further, what do Palestinians have to do with the Jewish exodus from Arab lands? Were they the ones that initiated actions against Jews that led to their flight from Arab countries? No. So why exactly should such a link be included in a template on Palestinians as a people? Tiamat 06:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Tiamut, the palestinian exodus from israel/palestine was due to the arab-jewish war which was a direct result of the damascus protocols even more so than the balfour declaration (who cares what the "her majesty sees in favor"). as the palestinian exodus was happening, a similar counter dispossession was occurring in the arab territories as approx. 900,000 (depending on sources) were forced to flee and come to israel/palestine, hence - balfour is connected with damascus, and also both exoduses are linked. you must remember that the palestinian-israeli conflict is part of the wider scope arab-israeli conflict and as such, when a huge event is in effect for the region (israel/palestine) it is part of the template. please stop reverting if you don't know much about the topic, and instead bring up your apprehensions on the talk page. JaakobouChalk Talk 12:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop intimating that I have no knowledge of this conflict. I have done graduate work on the this region and one could call it my life's work. While there is always more to learn, I don't appreciate you condescending tone. The Damascus protocol, if so important to "Palestinians" (the subject of this template) should mention them in the article on the subject. It does not. Therefore by logical deduction, it has no relevance to this template. Further, as I said, the Jewish exodus from Arab lands has nothing to do with Palestinians. They played no significant role in prompting that exodus and the subject has little relevance to a template on Palestinians. I am therefore, once again, removing those additions. Tiamat 14:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (1) please explain to me how 1 million jews coming into israel/palestine works into your deduction system? (2) please explain to me why arabs declaring a region which includes israel/palestine to be theirs, does not affect the region even if the word "palestine" is not in the article? (3) please consider the possiblity that your "life's work" has room to expand into "arab history and it's influence on the region"... i suggest you start with a good book about the history of transjordan and abdullah the 1st... and please (4) stop looking for the word "palestinian" everywhere.. it's a politically charged term which became mostly prominent with the british mandate (the ottomans kept the region divided into sanjaks, the most prominent one being the damascus sanjak), and not every action in the region, esp in the 18th century and early 19th, has any usage of that term. JaakobouChalk Talk 22:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Exodus + Damascus Protocol - note to Tiamut 

message: I do not think that huge flag of PNA belongs here, especially captioned as "Flag of Palestinians". Please try to resist urges to stick political flags somewhere they do not belong, like geographic regions or non-political entities. ←Humus sapiens ну? 07:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: As such, I have deleted the section on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and added links to Template:Israeli-Palestinian conflict and other related templates and articles under the section "Politics". Ditto for the PNA material (there is already a template entitled Template:Politics of Palestine. Those battling to include insignificant historical events into this template are asked to take those battles to the relevant pages outlined above. Thanks. Tiamat 01:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: seems the information you have removed is not registered and was not added anywhere... adding a link is nice, but it's not very inspiring when it's a link to a near vacant template. I'm afraid i disagree with most of your edit as it could be regarded as a reactionary move to deal with content that displeases you. JaakobouChalk Talk 13:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am planning to add some of it myself to those templates and timelines in the coming days. Nothing is preventing you from doing so. This template is not about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it's about Palestinians: a people, their history, culture, and their political parties, etc., but there is not enough space in the template to put all of that and a timeline for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There's no need to either since there are other templates that exist and need to be developed for that outlined purpose. Tiamat 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: very well. link me when you get around to reinserting some of the material. JaakobouChalk Talk 00:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template is not to duplicate existing ones

message: Will anybody protest if I remove Palestinian pottery from the template? Presently the article can also be found under Palestinian handicrafts.  Regards, Huldra (talk) 22:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with that. Palestinian handicrafts serves as a main article with several sub articles, of which pottery is one. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I´ll remove Palestinian pottery then. The thing is: much as I like this template, I simply think it has become a bit too fat. Especially the Notable Palestinian section. I´m suggesting that we should take a hard look at who should be part of that section. I see several "national" templates no longer have individuals listed in their "national" templates; instead they have *only* the list to "notable xx". That is perhaps a bit early here, but a bit of "pruning" could be done in that section, IMO. Regards, Huldra (talk) 23:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Wow! I've been thinking that since we added some guy like Nabil Shaath. I think he, Rashid Khalidi, Samih al-Qasim, Hany Abu-Assad, Mohammad Bakri, Rim Banna, Nathalie Handal and Ghada Karmi should be removed. There all important, but compared to Mahmoud Darwish, Khalil al-Sakakini, Edward Said, Tawfiq Canaan, Walid Khalidi or Ghassan Kanafani, they're not as notable. Shaath is no Arafat, Yassin, Mufti Husseini, Fighter Husseini, Faisal Husseini, Haniya or Habash (who is not in the list, but should definitely be if we will have one). --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: also: should "Law"  be under "Culture"?  ...and it is in any case not ordered alphabetically..    Huldra (talk) 23:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I think Law is more suitable under Politics. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Al Ameer son, I mostly agree with you. The one thing I disagree about is the "feminine perspective": i.e., I would like to keep  Ghada Karmi, and possibly  Rim Banna.  (But I don´t se why Nathalie Handal is more important than, say, Naomi Shihab Nye. In other words: I think she can go.) But yeah: the rest of the names you mention I think we can easily remove... Will you do it? (I´m signing out now). Oh, and yes, I agree: "Law" would be better of under "Politics". Regards, Huldra (talk) 00:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pottery 

message: Could someone please add Metawalis, Palestinian Druze and Palestinian Baha'is to the religion section pls. 88.104.44.243 (talk) 10:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Sam Sailor 15:57, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2019