Talk:Adolf Hitler/Archive 47

message: Currently the occupation category in the 'profile' box to the right of the article is too limited in scope. (And the word 'occupation' should be made plural)--
Hitler is referred to merely as an activist and a painter. It should be noted that Hitler was also a soldier, an author, a politician, a head of state and a military ruler. Tempting though it may be to minimize him by omitting these occupations it is instead important for the world to understand that a multi-talented and versatile individual in service of the wrong principles can do great harm. Therefore the full range of Hitler's significant occupations should be thoroughly noted in his profile box.     
Sean7phil 13:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A profile box is just a quick overview, not meant to be all-inclusive. That's what the article is there for.Civil Engineer III 19:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In politician infoboxes, the custom is to mention occupations before entering politics, thus head of state and military ruler are out. Politician is also out since he did seek out and attempt to make a career of several pursuits before entering politics; we only use "Politician" in the infobox if the person was a career politician (i.e. they entered government almost immediately upon entering the workforce). Soldier is also out because he was not a career soldier (like, say, Dwight D. Eisenhower or Kurt von Schleicher were): he only served in the Army as a soldier (rather than the head of government) during a war. Author can be legitimately included, if one is willing to separate it from his activism (I wouldn't, but it's not my decision to make), so I'll include it. Lockesdonkey 22:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Occupations' Category in Profile Box too Limited 

message: As with many biographic articles, this one starts off too dry, giving posts and dates.  It should begin by stating what this person is most known for (i.e. leading Nazi Germany in WWII and the ratial extermination of millions of noncombatants, more than half of them Jews).  Take a look at the Einstein article.  It doesn't start by listing employment positions and marriages.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anerbenartzi (talk • contribs) 11:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Most famous for

message: :Reverted back vandalism by Jonwillig. Action taken, vandal reported Matthew 04:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler's father 

message: :The headed paper on that site looks fake to me - for one thing, I would have expected the old German character set. I think this is likely to be one of many fake product sites for gullible Nazi-lovers and SS-wannabees. MarkThomas 20:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did some more checking. The site is registered on NIC to a fake address and uses a phony name as the site owner unlisted on all Canadian public information sources. I removed the above text which is obviously intended as a site advert. MarkThomas 22:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair enough but I am not affiliated with this site, I genuinely want this information. If anybody knows hitler's official Nazi party address during the 2nd world war please let me know. Thanks (MarkT39 22:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler's official address 

message: This: and as Waite points out, this fact is more important than whether he actually was. [copy & ctrl-f in article for location], while interesting and probably apt, is, in fact, an opinion (albeit vicarious) and should probably be cut.  Or, a milder edit might be to reword thus:   [...]; Waite suggests this fact is more important than whether he actually was.
Any objections?
Sugarbat 22:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very slight violation of POV policy 

message: Is there a specific Wikipedia article where notable attempts to kill him are listed? Half-Blood Auror 17:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, only articles on specific attempts like July 20 Plot. MarkThomas 22:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempts made to kill Hitler

message: To date the article quotes:
By the end of the war, Hitler's racial policies had culminated in the killing of approximately 11 million people, including the genocide of some 6 million Jews, in what is now known as the Holocaust. In total, the war in Europe cost approximately 45 million people their lives.
Do I understand correctly that Hitler's racial policies accounted for not only the 12 million of the Holocaust, but also, an additional 5 million, for a total of 11 million? If so, may I ask what is the authoritative sourcing for the 5 million figure [such a huge number: what were the other races]? Also, did Herr H. not have any non-racial policies of aggression [read political ambitions] that were directly contributable for WWII deaths? If so, may I ask why they are not given as respectful a mention, as the deserving racial count? Finally [for now], the war in Europe costing approximately 45 million lives is, again, based on what sourcing?  I believe a nation-by-nation, authoritatively cited, tally is required as a link, if not article specific. --Curiouscdngeorge 00:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What textbook? Every biography on Hitler in existence states that he did. Hugh Trevor-Roper's The Last Days of Hitler is the earliest solid source for the details. More up to date is Kershaw's Hitler: Nemesis Paul B 00:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of WWII European Death and Casualty Count

message: Which one of Hitler's ancestors was Jewish? This is probably the most blatent lie I've ever heard. His Grandmother was raped by a rich jew henceforth the possibility he was Jewish. It is also a reason why he detested them so dreadfully.--70.243.83.33 19:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No she wasn't. It was alleged by Hans Frank that she had slept with a Jewish man named Frankenberger, who fathered Hitler's father Alois. There is no evidence of this. Paul B 20:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Umm Hitler's father was Alois Hitler. Hitler was an Austrian with a slight alpine ancestory. I don't even know why people use the "Hitler was a Jew!" propaganda lie, wouldn't that mean a Jew was trying to exterminate all Jews? McDonaldsGuy 09:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Hitler's half-grandnephews have no interest in submitting to genetic testing; if they would provide a specimen, the results would only provide suggestive evidence in choosing between putative grandfathers (Hiedler, Rothschild or Frankenberger): there's no such thing as a genetic marker for Jewishness. - Nunh-huh 16:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: No, you could only associate him with Jewish ancestry, but not demonstrate it. The nearest thing is Y-chromosomal Aaron, and most Jews don't have that! All of this is purely academic. Paul B 02:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler's Jewish ancestor 

message: Hitler appeared on German TV during the period. This is common knowledge. If you dont know this then leave wikipedia, go pick up a HISTORY BOOK on the period and dont come back until you understand it.
Naturally since everyone can have a bash at wikipedia, someone reverted the edit. lulz! I have reinserted it and made a clear distinction between the documentaries made which portray Hitler during the 3rd Reich and those made after. Also included mention of things called newsreel which represent a form of documentary film and were quite popular at the time (a major source of news). 
Please think about WP:CIV when making edits which remove basic knowledge from articles. This is guaranteed to drive away contributors who know the subject. Dee Mac Con Uladh 18:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Added Television sub-section

message: could someone change the part that says "temporarily blinded by a poison gas attack" for "temporarily blinded by a mustard gas attack".thanks to anyone.User:Nachomanco
I did. Lotrtkdchic 17:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  World War I injures 

message: Personally I find it very distracting and it doesn't lend itself to printed publication, etc.  I don't care  a great deal but I thought I'd comment on it just in case somebody has a better static portrait somewhere.
Gabe 00:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I've put a static image there instead. Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 01:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It sure is distracting, even here! Paul B 14:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animated GIF 

message: Okay so I read in the book, HITLER by Albert Marrin, (http://www.lamppostpublishing.com/history_albert_marrin.htm) that Klara Pölzl was in fact Alois's former maid, not his second cousin. I added that to the hitler article, but someone deleated it. In this book, it says, "His mother, Klara, was a peasant girl who'd worked as Alois's maid before the marriage." 
I do not know where the idea of them being second cousins comes from. Lotrtkdchic 14:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She worked in the house as his servant, and she was also his second cousin. "Peasant girl" is a rather vague concept, her family were farmers, so it's not inaccurate, but gives the false impression that she was from a completely different social world. Alois was himself the son of a "peasant girl". See the Alois Hitler article for details. Paul B 14:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: "Alois was now legally (and likely in fact) Klara's uncle, too close to marry. He submitted an appeal to the church for a humanitarian waiver, not mentioning Klara was already pregnant." As far as the church was concerned and the law was concerned she WAS his second cousin (see this plan of cousin relationships). That's why special dispensation had to be made. Legally she was his second cousin. Very probably she was genetically too, but was can't know for certain anyone's genetic parentage from this period. All we can say is that she accepted to be his second cousin. Paul B 15:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hitler's childhood

message: some joker put an altered photograph of Hitler and some officers at the bottom of the page. i wish i could remove it, but I'm new on this wiki, so can someone do it? thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.49.132.91 (talk) 20:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Picture 

message: Was this confirmed or presumed?
confirmed. Lotrtkdchic 17:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, by the by, Hitler's remains spent (are spending?) the post-WWII time in an "archive" in the Soviet Union, and this is throughly documented. In 1973 (I think, I can't remember off hand) Juri Andropov -- while head of the now-defunkt KGB -- disposed of most of the remains. Hitler's teeth, however, are still to be found. This is record. --82.181.48.38 14:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suicide 

message: After reading this artical, there were some slight things that looked like Bias. Someone might want to check that...
::Template:sofixit. --Deskana (talk) 01:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Such as? Paul B 08:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias? 

message: There should be something in this article mentioning Hitler's ally and friendship with Croatian war leader Ante Pavelic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.229.210.49 (talk) 06:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ANTE PAVELIC 

message: "Hitler's declaration of war against the United States on December 11, 1941 four days after the Empire of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, USA set him against a coalition that included the world's largest empire (the British Empire), the world's greatest industrial and financial power (the USA), and the world's largest army (the Soviet Union)."
This is terribly worded, it implies that the war only started when the USA entered it and before that everyone was at peace, could we have a rewrite on that please? I would do it myself but I'd rather someone with more experience did it Birddrz 18:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Downfall 

message: I believe that Germany invaded Czechoslovakia on March 15 1939 and not March 10. (Vonkad 15:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invasion to Czechoslovakia 

message: Someone's been mucking about with this page. The infobox says his Bday was the 20th April, while most of the Article says its the 23rd. Can someone check which one it is and put it right? Thanks. Kilbosh 07:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: April 20, 1889 --Svetovid 13:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a well known fact it was the 20 of April 1889. Enlil Ninlil 06:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthday

message: Currently, the Civil Ensign (the flag of the merchant marine) is used.  Austria-Hungary did not have a unique official flag.  The empire had a Civil Ensign as well as a War Flag, and other than that, none. Rather, individual flags of the Hungarian and the Austran royal houses were used within the two domains comprising the empire.  So, is it appropriate to use the Civil Ensign here?  It seems to be a dubious fit here, as the merchant marine banner hardly represents a country, other than at sea, flown by merchant vessels.  --Mareklug talk 11:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inappropriate flag by birthdate/place in the infobox?

message: if there is nothing in Stalin's intro, then why should there be nothing in Hitler's? Add some stuff in Stalin's and then we might consider adding the death toll, understood? Zoola 03:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's one of the most flawed arguments on Wikipedia. And if you continue talking like you're the boss, you probably won't be very popular. --Deskana (fry that thing!) 03:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And who's "we"? Bishonen | talk 03:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this interesting. --Deskana (fry that thing!) 03:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is rather interesting, Deskana. Someone needs to make up his or her mind. We might also look to the discussion a couple months back where a consensus was reached to include the death toll in the opening paragraph. Parsecboy 03:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone reverted it already anyway. --Deskana (fry that thing!) 03:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Zoola doesn't sound like the boss to me. More like a hit man with a baseball bat. Bishonen | talk 03:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thus why I don't think people would appreicate the "I'm the boss" tone :-p --Deskana (fry that thing!) 04:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I found this quite funny. You don't have a chance of actually pulling off what you threaten to do. --Deskana (fry that thing!) 04:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Zoola is now indefblocked for trolling per a (now deleted) inflammitory edit to someone else's userpage. --Deskana (fry that thing!) 04:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sort of confused here. He wanted us to remove it, and now he wants us to add it? Did I miss something? :\ Parsecboy 07:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From the "you guys will get it" tone, I wonder if Zola was perhaps channeling Hitler or Stalin? MarkThomas 07:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: "Scandal: Hitler edits Wikipedia biography from beyond the grave" --Deskana (fry that thing!) 12:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Parsec, it's something called "reverse psychology"...the latter of those two words being something the poster definitely requires :-) SmUX 15:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Halleluja! Paul B 19:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously the right thing to do, thanks for your help Bishonen. I've also removed the obvious troll text from "Windmaker999" that was posted above. MarkThomas 10:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm getting rid of the death toll and what not in Hitler's intro 

message: Hello there, Windmaker999. I notice you're a sleeper account. That's to say your account was created more than a week ago ago, but you didn't make your first edit till yesterday. That of course is the reason you are able to edit a semiprotected page like Adolf Hitler. You also seem to be the same person as Zoola (I'm brilliant!), since you talk just like him ("... IS that understood???"). Deskana and others, I'm thinking of blocking all abusive sleeper accounts on sight at Adolf Hitler, since the purpose of "aging" them is so obvious. I repeat, only abusive ones. What do you think, everybody, would this be proper? It would save fullprotecting the page. Bishonen | talk 18:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Halleluja! Paul B 19:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously the right thing to do, thanks for your help Bishonen. I've also removed the obvious troll text from "Windmaker999" that was posted above. MarkThomas 10:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trolls, socks, and sleeper accounts

message: Does anyone actually read through even a few of those archives? Can you imagine anyone reading through the whole thing, for heaven's sake (0:- ? And yet, there might even be something useful in all of that......infinite pile of words. Fascinating. This is probably the most talkative talk page I have ever seen in my life!! --Francesco Franco aka Lacatosias 15:08, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Curious

message: The supposed firtst title of My Stuggle looks like vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.110.221.182 (talk) 20:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title of Book

message: I did a search around but I can't see a mention of Jean Marie Loret, an alleged son fathered during WW1? See this article in Time. No idea if it is true but should it be mentioned? - SimonLyall 13:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We could include "Historian Werner Maser alleges that...", or something similar. German Wikipedia has an entry at :de:Jean Loret. --h2g2bob (talk) 14:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also reccommned seeing what other sources confirming his suggestion are available. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 15:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Son? 

message: Are those figures verified at all. I thought it was 33 million in the European War and 27 elsewhere. Londo06 14:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbers dead