Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sheffield/Archive1

message: I recon school buildings on which we have data should be treated. I know the articles I edited (Meersbrook & Heeley) have some information on schools, that information can be moved to a school's own article. I myself am not interested in writting about education itself, but more about the school buildings. Captain scarlet 18:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Education in Sheffield]]

message: There are a number of disticts of Sheffield that already have reasonably good articles, however for most districts there are just one or two sentences in the ward articles. A major goal would be to bring the coverage for all major districts to the same level.
*Ward articles offer a good base to work upon, demerging information on disctricts from there into their own article. Captain scarlet 18:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Districts of Sheffield]]

message: I would like to open a category for all the rivers and streams in Sheffield. I have opened articles for the Blackburn and Totley Brooks. Old Hay, Needham's Dyke to come. I will start artiucles on others later in the week. Regards, Captain scarlet 22:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Rivers in Sheffield]]

message: ===Purpose===
The purpose of the proposed project would be to exand and improve wikipedia's coverage of the Sheffield area, and to provide editors doing this with a central place to discuss ideas/changes.
Some possible functions that a project could have:
#The main Sheffield article is already a featured article, but this shouldn't mean that we regard it as finished. One function of the project could be to discuss ways in which this article could be imporved whilst maintaining it at featured quality.
#The second tier of articlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:JeremyA/Sheffield&action=edit
Edit this pages on the Sheffield area already includes some reasonably extensive articles. A wikiproject might be able to identify articles from this tier that could be improved to featured quality.
#There are also gaps in the second tier of articles. The project could work towards identifying and filling these gaps. Examples of articles that might result from this include Buildings and structures in Sheffield, Education in Sheffield, and Religion in Sheffield.
#There are a number of disticts of Sheffield that already have reasonably good articles, however for most districts there are just one or two sentences in the ward articles. A major goal would be to bring the coverage for all major districts to the same level.
#The project could provide a central 'to-do' list where editors could suggest/discuss articles that are needed (e.g. articles on notable buildings or institutions).
#Questions that might be raised/discussed might include: Whether it is desirable to write articles about all Sheffield schools, just secondary schools, or whether grouping all schools into an article on Education in Sheffield would be better. Whether there should be articles for supertram stops, as have been written for other cities (e.g. Nottingham Express Transit).
===Goegraphy of Sheffield===
I feel that this is, perhaps,  one of the weakest sections in the Sheffield group, at the moment. Anyone else feel this way? (Most of the "Natural History" section doesn't seem to be Natural history, to me). Wikityke 03:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia - Natural history is an umbrella term for what are now usually viewed as several distinct scientific disciplines. Most definitions include the study of living things (e.g. biology, including botany and zoology); other definitions extend the topic to include paleontology, ecology or biochemistry, as well as parts of geology, astronomy, and physics and even meteorology.Wikityke 03:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: There's been a lot of discussion on this at Talk:Sheffield and a clear consensus that Sheffield should be described as being in the north. Warofdreams talk 02:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Former Draft of the project proposal

message: I feel that this is, perhaps,  one of the weakest sections in the Sheffield group, at the moment. Anyone else feel this way? (Most of the "Natural History" section doesn't seem to be Natural history, to me). Wikityke 03:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia - Natural history is an umbrella term for what are now usually viewed as several distinct scientific disciplines. Most definitions include the study of living things (e.g. biology, including botany and zoology); other definitions extend the topic to include paleontology, ecology or biochemistry, as well as parts of geology, astronomy, and physics and even meteorology.Wikityke 03:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: There's been a lot of discussion on this at Talk:Sheffield and a clear consensus that Sheffield should be described as being in the north. Warofdreams talk 02:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Goegraphy of Sheffield

message: Perhaps we could set about adding Template:Coor title dms to all the geographical/landmark articles. josh (talk) 19:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jeremy and I have been ading the template, but its placing is disputed, so we've kind of paused. There are two main templates, one that simply adds the coordinates in the body of an article, and this one which adds the coords at the top right, which is excellent for articles with one scope, unfortunately, some have decided to randomly move it around. Captain scarlet 19:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential project 

message: Does anyone have an opinion on the Hunter's Bar article? I find it strange to refer to Hunter's Bar as a suburb. Even though I attended Hunter's Bar middle school, I have always thought of the term more as the name of a landmark--just referring to the junction of Ecclesall Road, Brocco Bank, and Junction Road. Surely the district there is Sharrow Vale.   JeremyA 14:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think is considered an area. Its mentioned by the Artic Monkeys in the line "He talks of San Francisco, he's from Hunter's Bar". josh (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd not call it a suburb - it's a roundabout!  It is in the Sharrow Vale.  Though people do often refer to the "Hunter's bar shops" as distint from the "Eccy road shops" L.J.Skinner, talk to me 13:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hunter's Bar? 

message: Roger Davison is no longer Lord Mayor—it is now Jackie Drayton. So far we haven't written articles about all the city councillors, which seems reasonable to me (most people don't know/care who their councillor is). So, if being a councillor alone does not give enough notability for an article, does being a past Lord Mayor? Should we delete the Roger Davison article? My suggestion would be not to have articles on individual Lord Mayors (past or present) but instead to start Lord Mayor of Sheffield and cover both past and present Mayors there. Any thoughts? JeremyA 22:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What? We have councilllors? An article on each particular LM might be a bit much, but an article on the title of Lord Mayor of Sheffield could be good. Then we can write an article on the most notable LMs of the past, like those who actually did anything other than being driven in their black Jaguar (no I'm not bitter). Captain scarlet 06:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having composed a brief article on Jackie Drayton I find it's linked from here. I would have thought a Lord Mayor is OK for an article (but not other posts). There are quite a few notables amongst the Lord Mayors, eg Hattersley's mother Enid, Ballard, Dyson. The Munn might well be Meg Munn's father. I would have thought a Lord Mayor is comparable to an MP, say, or the wearer of SUFC's number 36 shirt. -- roundhouse 23:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Lord Mayor of Sheffield 

message: An article on Sheffield City Centre has recently been created.  You may be interested in expanding and/or reformatting it. Warofdreams talk 15:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheffield City Centre 

message: Most of these links don't seem to connect to anything. Any ideas? Wikityke 00:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sister Project links

message: I am currently working on the list List of schools in Yorkshire and the Humber to provide a summary of the baisc info for every school in the country. I am today looking at the Sheffield section (see it here). I was looking to try and link to the list from the breif education section in the main Sheffield article and mande a comment on the talk page about not finding an easy way to do that. Then someone suggested a break away article on Education in Sheffield. What do other think of this idea? If you like it, what sort of stuff could be included? (Maybe even the list of schools could be included when finished?...perhaps there could be article for Education in (each LEA in the country) eventuially) so the regional lists are not needed. Anyway, let's talk about this here and see what we come up with. I don't think all schools are worthy of their own article here, certainly not primary schools, so I'd also like to ask what should be included in the list. I'm just putting type of school, specialisms, age range and, when I get round to finding it, the number on roll and a link to their website. Anything else? Evil Eye 17:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Religious affiliation, if any, is probably worth mentioning for each school. --VinceBowdren 13:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Education in Sheffield

message: This has been up for a renaming to People from Sheffield by the consistency police. The discussion is here. josh (talk) 10:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ==[[:Category:Sheffielders]]== 

message: Do any of you think this is a nice template WikiProject Sheffield Particpiants?
  Abdullah Geelah 13:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw you used the template and have included it myself. I would have miself used a landscape oriented photo rather than a portrait oriented one as it stretches the template in height. Also there are guidelines and convention with regards to how template are named. Other than these two technical points: all good! Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 14:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: Proposed something like:
Template:Waterways in Sheffield
	<BIG>Waterways in Sheffield</BIG><BR>	
River Sheaf | Blackburn Brook | River Don | River Loxley | Meers Brook | Old Hay Brook | Porter Brook | River Rivelin | Sheffield Canal | Totley Brook | Limb Brook | River Rother | Owler Brook | Carr Brook	
River Sheaf | Blackburn Brook | River Don | River Loxley | Meers Brook | Old Hay Brook | Porter Brook | River Rivelin | Sheffield Canal | Totley Brook | Limb Brook | River Rother | Owler Brook | Carr Brook	
River Sheaf | Blackburn Brook | River Don | River Loxley | Meers Brook | Old Hay Brook | Porter Brook | River Rivelin | Sheffield Canal | Totley Brook | Limb Brook | River Rother | Owler Brook | Carr Brook
So far I've pretty much just pulled all the rivers out of the Rivers in Sheffield category. --VinceBowdren 14:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice ! I was at some point about to write articles on all the brooks of Dore and Totley, are they notable enough to feature on the template or is every 1 m wide trickle maybe not important enough ? I would remove Concord Park though ;) Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 14:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: (off course i do ;) ). I see no problem with your explanation. We must have just missed each other since i was looking for signs in Hutcliff Wood while you were in Beauchief. Any plans for today Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 08:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivers template 

message: There is an effort underway (discussed at Talk:Peak District) to get the reservoirs in and around the peak district national park written up. Given that most of the them are in the dark peak, that makes quite a few of them in or supplying Sheffield; so if anybody here has a bit of useful knowledge to throw in, you're welcome. --VinceBowdren 11:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reservoirs 

message: Hi, I'd like to help out on this project.  I've been trying to sort out some rudimentry articles for the train and tram stops, and I've edited City Lofts Tower and others.  Any chance I may be able to help out?  Please reply on my talk pageL.J.Skinner, talk to me 16:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New members

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.   B2T2 17:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: I'm concerned at the recent creation of several categories which seem to cross over categories that already exist. Category:Sheffield Galleries and Museums Trust, Category:Art museums and galleries in Sheffield and Category:Museums in Sheffield and Category:Sheffield Industrial Museums Trust all concern areas treated by each other category. I already doubt these categories require an article, the subjects are such niche subjects that their existance should be recorded in Culture in Sheffield rather than in individual articles. The related categories should be deleted on the gorunds that their content will stay below a level needing categorising and should be merged into :Category:Museums in Sheffield. Categories rightfully exist with hundreds of articles within and we here have some with five, six. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 15:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There are not so many museums in Sheffield that Category:Museums in Sheffield needs any sub-categories.  —JeremyA 20:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category redundancy 

message: I just finished transcribing the first chapter of Hunter's Hallamshire. Hopefully this will prove useful as a source for some of the Sheffield-related articles. —JeremyA 03:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic work!  I note that someone online is currently charging £15 for a scanned copy on a CD-ROM.  Are you planning to transcribe the whole work?  If so, it should be of great benefit to everyone doing research on the history of Sheffield. Warofdreams talk 04:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure yet—I'm not planning on making it a project to get the whole thing transcribed, but I think that I will do some more. On the one hand I agree that it would be great to have the text of this book freely available, on the other hand I think that £15 is really reasonable price to charge for the scans (the person that scanned it has done quite a few other rare books and I think that he should be encouraged to do more). But in the end that is probably a moot point, as what will stop me doing the whole thing is the amount of work involved. I think that I will probably add chapter 2 and then see where it goes from there. —JeremyA 22:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Would you consider Hunter notable enough for an article? I can't find much information on his life, but I could probably write a reasonable stub.  —JeremyA 03:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I might consider transcribing (do you mean by OCR or by hand?) the Grammar School chapter. And the 'reasonable stub' looks very reasonable. I would have thought him very notable. roundhouse 09:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first chapter I transcribed by hand. It's a long time since I used any OCR software, but my previous experiences are that by the time I have checked for and corrected all the errors made by the OCR software I might as well have typed it myself. The stub is now at Joseph Hunter. —JeremyA 03:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hallamshire 

message: I think that the list of schools is misplaced in the Sheffield article. Is it time to make a separate article on education?   —JeremyA 15:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed (there is already a more informative list at List of schools in Yorkshire and the Humber). A separate article would be nice. -- roundhouse 15:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 16:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed Wikityke 17:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to break out [[Education in Sheffield]]? 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.  Badbilltucker 21:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Whilst editing the history article I got interested in the urns that were found at Crookes at the end of the 19th century, so I thought I might add some more about them to the Crookes article. However, I've come across a couple of problems that hopefully someone who has lived in Crookes might be able to help me out with. I'm trying to work out roughly where the urns were found. The description of the find in the Sheffield and Rotherham Independent starts 'On Easter Sunday [1887] Mr. Herbert T. Watkinson, of Summer Street, was walking in Cocked Hat Lane, near the Bole Hills, at Crookes, when he noticed in the side of an excavation that had been made for the foundations of some new houses what looked like a drain pipe.' S.O. Addy later wrote an article in Notes and Queries (the article is reproduced in a chapter from a book that I have been transcribing here) in which he states that Cocked Hat Lane is Tinker Lane. However, I have compared Addy's description of the site of the find with the 1855 map of old-maps.co.uk and it looks to me that the area he is describing is on Bole Hill Lane—so, does anyone know if Tinker Lane used to come all the way to Northfield Lane? The other thing is that he says that the urns were taken to Weston Park Museum—does anyone know if they still have them, and are they on display? I have been trying to find a photo of the urns, but so far my best bet seems to be in a 1912 book that I may be able to get a photocopy from but not a scan.  —JeremyA 02:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone have some local knowledge of Crookes? 

message: I've added this WikiProject to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/List of city WikiProjects. Many of the projects on that page have transcluded the list onto their project's page under a section titled "Similar WikiProjects". BlankVerse 14:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar WikiProjects 

message: Does anyone have any authoritative references for schools in Sheffield? In particular I think Myers Grove was the first comprehensive in Sheffield, probably opening in 1960, and I would like a ref for this. (My recollection is that the 1961 form for choosing a school post-11+ included Myers as a comprehensive, together with the grammar schools at the time + Rowlinson.)
There was also the short-lived Crosspool Sec Modern (to which Westways transferred) which became KES Lower school in Sept 69. Exact dates would be nice.
(Westfield apparently opened as a comp in 1957, but was in Derbyshire until 67.) roundhouse 14:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found a reference stating that Myers Grove was the 1st (in 1960) followed by Hinde House (63) and Chaucer (64) (both of which existed before in some guise). roundhouse 11:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schools 

message: The article, category and tempaltes for Sheffield city centre seem to be overly capitalised. Should they not be renamed/moved so as to obey the Manual of Style and avoid over capitalisation? Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 14:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: Is the section Sheffield#music getting large enough now to warrant a Music in Sheffield page?  L.J.Skinnerwot|I did 16:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been watching this section for a while... it seems like everyone who's ever picked up an instrument in Sheffield would like to be included! I suggest that we lose the red-links and either find citations or remove uncitable material. Culture of Sheffield could also be expanded rather than creating another article for unknown bands to list themselves in. —JeremyA (talk) 03:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music