Talk:Nur al-Din Zengi

message: LEGACY
Curious to me the praise heaped upon the man in this section.  He established Universities. . ."primarily concerned with teaching the Quran and the Hadith" . . .  That's not a university in a sense I understand.  Nur ad-Din was in his right a great man, but he was a true fanatic.  One should note that.  Cutugno (talk) 19:55, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
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message: I've found several books that refer to this person as "Nur al-Din" (the one that springs to mind at the moment is 'Fighting for Christendom: Holy War and the Crusader' by Christopher Tyerman.  Whilst searching for 'Nur al-Din' on Wikipedia leads to this page, 'Nur al Din' does not.  Would a disambiguation page be appropriate here?
ResPublicae (talk) 15:25, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I'm not sure...none of the redirects to Noor al-Deen come from other pages. In my totally biased opinion they should all link here! There is a note on the other page but it seems to be in the wrong spot... Adam Bishop (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I moved him to the current name just to get the bare name free for disambiguation purposes. I have no problem with moving again to a name such as you suggest. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 22:11, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But while we're on the subject, what do you make of the article called Noor Uddin Zangi? SamuelTheGhost (talk) 22:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, weird, I never noticed that one. It's Nur ad-Din but everything is slightly off...I guess if we could source some of it, it would be worth merging.  Adam Bishop (talk) 01:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to have a go. If you don't, I'd be inclined just to scrap it and redirect. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 11:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Creation of disambiguation page?

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Support. I have a feeling I tried to move this back, but somehow it didn't work (or I was just too lazy, maybe). This name doesn't make any sense anyway. We could use "Nur ad-Din ibn Zengi/Zangi", but he's never referred to that way. Adam Bishop (talk) 01:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
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message: , I wanted to consult you (and other editors) in advance since the last schism. I am considering we move the article to a different title, mainly because while Nur ad-Din was Atabeg/Emir of Aleppo from 1146–1174, he was also Emir/Sultan of Damascus from 1154–1174. The latter being of higher prominence, or at the least we can agree he wasn't simply "atabeg of Aleppo." I am considering Nur ad-Din of Syria (as one of his accomplishments was a unified Syrian sultanate), or Nur ad-Din of Aleppo and Damascus. DA1 (talk) 10:38, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe use his date of death? Other articles use a date in the title sometimes. "Nur ad-Din (died 1174)" Adam Bishop (talk) 20:13, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like which articles? I would think Nur ad-Din is large enough to warrant a of Syria or similar suffix. He was Sultan of unified Syria and a major figure of world history. A (died 1174) wouldn't be an improvement from the existing "Atabeg of Aleppo" disambiguation. DA1 (talk) 00:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Some members of the Ibelin family - Guy of Ibelin (1286–1308) for example. Relatively inconsequential people compared to Nur ad-Din of course. Adam Bishop (talk) 09:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unless you're objecting, I'm hoping change it to "Nur ad-Din of Syria". My idea was to make the title/search simpler, not complicate it. Date of birth/deaths are really on no one's mind when looking up an article title. May do it a few days later, in case anyone wants to chime in. DA1 (talk) 02:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd vote for "Nur ad-Din (died 1174)" as well. Was Syria ever used formally for Nur ad-Din's dominions? Srnec (talk) 22:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title move 

message: He is referred to as Nureddin Mahmud Zengi in Turkish sources, the anachronism argument simply doesn't cut it. In modern Turkish sources he isn't referred to as Nur ad-Din. Arabic isn't written in the Latin script, better change the page name into the Arabic variant then. KirmiziAdam (talk) 12:18, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nureddin Mahmud Zengi