Talk:Ape (1976 film)

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:13, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ape (1976 film) →  – In view of the support extended to Megan (2023 film) → M3GAN at the currently active Talk:Megan (2023 film)#Requested move 13 October 2022, this film title representing an acronym may be also ready for a move. The 1976 film APE would not be the sole uppercase main title header listed upon the Ape (disambiguation) page, which also contains AJAX Push Engine, ANSI/POSIX Environment, APE tag, APE100, AVS plugin effect, APE Con, APE 4.80, APE Foundation and APE (stock ticker). Since there is also Ape (2012 film), if consensus were to prefer Ape (1976 film) → APE (1976 film), I would also support such a compromise. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, and I was one of the people whose comments you're talking about. Before saying "if it is changed, ...", my comment said "IMDb uses 'Ape'. ... I don't see a clear justification for a change here." In other words, before saying what I think should be done if it is changed, I said it should not be changed. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: However, you did not express specific opposition to the use of caps, only to the use of asterisks, and even provided the suggested improvements "APE" or "A.P.E.", thus intimating that you would not oppose those two alternatives.  Also, although you did not dispute that APE was an acronym, for the record, the film itself indicates that A*P*E stands for ". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe I could have been more clear, but I did not really say that "APE" or "A.P.E." would be OK with me. I was only saying I thought they were better choices than "A*P*E". I'm not sure whether I still think that now, but that's what I meant to say at the time. I note that the quoted discussion of the spoof aspect and the abbreviation aspect is unsourced. IMDb uses "Ape". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:03, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. However, regarding "Ape" versus "APE", while the main title header of IMDb's entry does indeed use the form "Ape", virtually all other film resources, such as Rotten Tomatoes, AllMovie or TV Guide, use "APE", "A.P.E" or "A*P*E", which is indicated to mean "Attacking Primate MonstEr", as depicted in this google search. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 10:31, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the stuff turned up by that Google search looks like Wikipedia or other Wikis/UGCs. Wikipedia's guideline, e.g. per MOS:TM, is that when sources are mixed, we use the style that most resembles ordinary English. No one would ordinarily abbreviate the phrase "attacking primate monster" as "APE" or "A*P*E" in ordinary English. (And the asterisks on the promotional art are tiny.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than IMDb, sources are not mixed — virtually all use uppercase, including contemporary reviews. Wikipedia lists a number of all-caps film titles that also represent ordinary English words, such as F.I.S.T. (film) or L.I.E. (film). As for user-generated sources, Rotten Tomatoes, AllMovie or TV Guide are certainly not user generated. The link to the film itself that was provided in the lead sentence of the August 2019 nomination is still active and the asterisks are not tiny in the film's own credits. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course you'll find mostly uppercase if you do a Google search that includes asterisks. Nobody would include asterisks without using uppercase. And the sources are mixed between different forms. The Allmovie link you provided shows cover art that does not include any asterisks or dots. The Rotten Tomatoes title has dots. TV Guide doesn't provide unique entries they also have a separate page for Attack of the Giant Horny Gorilla, which is the same movie. When sources are mixed, we use ordinary English formatting. None of these are ordinary English abbreviations of "attacking primate monster". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:26, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 15 October 2022