Talk:Fecal microbiota transplant

message: Couldn't resist. Sorry.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blondesareeasy (talk • contribs) 01:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  May I see the applicator again please? 

message: A well written text, but some major POV biases, unfortunately.  I don't think fecal enemas are considered promising therapy for UC or CD in the GI community.  Maybe for PMC, but as last ditch therapy. -- Samir धर्म 09:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Our job is to summarize actual research on the topic, not create a positive feedback loop of parroting the biases of people who haven't seen the research  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.85.197.50 (talk) 13:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That I agree with. -- Samir 06:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A

message: The external links do not exist or discuss fecal therapy.  Is there a current reference other than an isolated paper in 1958?  Kd4ttc 00:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you bothered to look you would see the current references in the "publications" section of the web site. This is the website of the clinic doing the research, so I think it's relevant. I'm putting it back, along with direct links to the articles (.pdf format). --Dr.Gonzo 00:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Interesting, do you have a link to the full article? --Dr.Gonzo 22:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference? 

message: This procedure shows promise for treatment of Celiac Disease. https://www.celiac.com/articles.html/the-origins-of-celiac-disease/more-evidence-links-gut-bacteria-to-celiac-disease-r1343/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 01:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celiac Disease 

message: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/health/18cancer.html?ref=science  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.74.246.132 (talk) 21:05, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Cancer Studies Find Bacterial Clue in Colon (cancer) 

message: Swapping Germs "A potentially beneficial but unusual treatment for serious intestinal ailments may fall victim to regulatory difficulties" by Maryn McKenna Scientific American December 8, 2011
99.190.83.205 (talk) 04:44, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Clostridium_difficile.  99.181.134.134 (talk) 04:59, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just the near identical Talk:Clostridium_difficile#SciAm_resource_-_stool_transplants ? - Rod57 (talk) 13:51, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[SciAm]] resource 

message: Synthetic Stool Stymies Stubborn C. Difficile describes a synthetic stool for treating CDI. Possibly worth a mention in the article ? - Rod57 (talk) 13:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synthetic stool 

message: "At the CDD there were indications that FMT could benefit other conditions including ulcerative colitis,[28][29] autoimmune disorders,[30] neurological conditions,[7] obesity, metabolic syndrome and diabetes,[15] and Parkinson's disease.[8]"
C-Drone-Defect? Cats Don't Dance? Chlorine dioxide disinfection?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Autharitus (talk • contribs) 14:21, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  CDD acronym 

message: The portion of the "Theory" section explaining why this technique may treat ulcerative colitis does not make sense.  Regardless of whether or not UC has an infectious etiology, it's clearly an autoimmune disease.  It is not a logical step saying that because C. difficile - an infection, is treated with fecal transplant, then UC - an autoimmune disease, can be treated with a fecal transplant.  Mizower 13:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ulcerative Colitis 

message: According to this article in the NYT, many doctors who were doing stool transplants are refusing to do so, because the FDA has classified therapeutic stool as a drug, and it can only be used in clinical trials. Unfortunately, this story didn't check its facts with the FDA, so I don't know how much is true. 
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/why-i-donated-my-stool/
Private Lives July 6, 2013, 2:54 pm 
Why I Donated My Stool
By MARIE MYUNG-OK LEE
--Nbauman (talk) 19:21, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have started a new section about regulatory issues. Int21h (talk) 00:18, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  FDA regulations 

message: Fairly lengthy article, might be worth citing or point to some cites: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27503660 EdSaperia (talk) 14:43, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC Article 

message: The entire page appears to be copied almost word for word from the World Heritage Encyclopedia.  Link to page http://www.worldheritage.org/article/WHEBN0003762041/Fecal%20bacteriotherapy  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.47.148 (talk) 15:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is a mirror site, so it's more likely it copied us. Doug Weller (talk) 08:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright issues 

message: What would happen if the procedure in the article was undertaken on a person with the feces of another species. A horse, for instance. Or, maybe our closest relatives. Chimps / Bonobo's.
Is it possible to speculate what would happen?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.151.151.176 (talk) 10:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross species 

message: Currently, this article is titled fecal bacteriotherapy, however the bold text in the lead is fecal microbiota transplant (FMT), with stool transplant as a secondary term.
Ideally, the first bolded term would match the article title; should we rename the article to fecal microbiota transplant, or should we adjust the lead to primarily reference fecal bacteriotherapy?
As a reference, here are the article naming criteria. —danhash (talk) 16:05, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I just moved fecal bacteriotherapy to fecal microbiota transplant to match the lead; "fecal microbiota transplant" also seems to be the more common name. —danhash (talk) 22:44, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: Since this section was not previously on the page, this is a useful contribution to the site. The author used several notable primary sources from which they found important information on how this treatment can affect the patient in other ways that are not intended by the execution of the procedure. The author also used some results of scientific trials that were observed by medical research scientists. Another thing worth noting was the explanation of how other parts of this transplant may have their own side effects. Overall, i believe this is a good contribution with potential to be the seed of a great section of this page as more research is done and added to it. JHunziker (talk) 04:27, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to "Side Effects"

message: I'm mostly curious about the formatting as the medical citation website mentioned a couple different methods of citations, but to follow the page for what is being done. As a masters level student I see many different citation formats and would like to be correct in hopes of adding to Wikipedia, ,(QUESTION 1) Which format should I be using since it doesn't appear to have a standard as noted on the main page? I was sending this as I am still new to this editing process and also didn’t want to interpret statements incorrectly or use the wrong format. My understanding is the following will be the template for entering citations, (QUESTION 2) Does it make a difference if I use the vertical or horizontal format?
The Mechanism of action section "The hypothesis behind fecal microbiota transplant rests on the concept of bacterial interference, i.e. using harmless bacteria to displace pathogenicorganisms.[citation needed]" 
The hypothesis as noted is spoken to with “The process is based on the restoration of the healthy flora in the diseased colon by importing the colonic microbiota of a healthy subject” (Cammarota et. al, 2015, p. 836). (1) This is within source #20 already mentioned in the article. The hypothesis as noted above is spoken to with “One such therapy is fecal microbiota transplant (FMT), or the infusion of a fecal suspension from a healthy individual into the gastrointestinal tract of a patient with CDI” (Brandt, et. al, 2012, p. 1080). (2) The hypothesis as noted above is spoken to with “This begs the question as to how such dramatic treatment works, and whether it could be used or modified to cure other bowel conditions that may be infection-driven. Tvede et al. demonstrated in vitro how some but not other bacteria can profoundly inhibit the growth of pathogenic strains (6). A similar although less powerful phenomenon has been described for lactobacillus GG (11). It would seem that inhibitory substances, perhaps bacteriocins elaborated by bacteria, possess powerful antimicrobial properties” (Borody, 2000, p. 3028).(3)
This first reference is already there as #20, so would I just use ? 
Or write the whole thing out as: 
2nd paragraph is- Brandt LJ, Aroniadis OC, Mellow M, Kanatzar A, Kelly C, Park T, et al. Long-Term Follow-Up of Colonoscopic Fecal Microbiota Transplant for Recurrent Clostridium difficile Infection. Am J Gastroenterol Camb. 2012 Jul;107(7):1079–87. 
Borody TJ. “flora power”--fecal bacteria cure chronic C. difficile diarrhea. Am J Gastroenterol Camb. 2000 Nov;95(11):3028–9. 
Thank you for your help I look forward to hearing back about what my next step to edit this is.
AverageleveledIQ (talk) 02:39, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Regarding "top-oldest -> bottom-newest": Yup, just the norm on Wikipedia talk pages, but no worries, as one wouldn't expect a recently arrived user to know that. Regarding ways to import ref data without having to manually cut/paste/type it all piece-by-piece: I just recently learned from other Wikipedia editors that there is now a way to import refs by PMID and, yes, by DOI as well. It seems that it can be done either with the visual editor or the wikitext editor. For the latter (which is how I am now doing it), you have to enable it for yourself (i.e., for your own user account) by going to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures, and activate "New wikitext mode". Then, when you are editing, there is a toolbar button called "Cite", on which you go to the "Templates" dropdown menu and click "Cite journal", whereupon a dialog box pops open in which you can paste the PMID or DOI and click the magnifiying glass icon (meaning "look this up"), and it will create the ref with all the fields filled in. Let me know if any trouble finding this. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia's medical and health science coverage. Quercus solaris (talk) 18:58, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting for citations? 

message: It seems there was some back and forth on the editing so I was just going back through the portion I had in my sandbox about the donor selection and specimen prep since it was needing many citations. Though there were citations and sections added, some citations do not say what is cited as it stands now, and some are well off on their numbers. For example, the volume of stool required via the wiki says "200-300 grams" yet the cited source says 50 grams. I'll leave the sources which can be used as they are placed, but in case you see your notation gone, please re-read your article in context with the content currently with it. Also it seems there are some "More research is needed" type wording that is left over. Please note WP:MEDMOS about this. Thank you to those who did add the extra articles for me to read as I do love a good source. AverageleveledIQ (talk) 00:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: After sleeping on it and reviewing the next day, I wonder if I may have overstepped the MEDMOS regarding "You give technical advice, particularly for the steps in a thorough diagnostic workup" for the specimen prep section. Though specimen preparation  in my mind means some discussion about "how-to", I may have crossed MEDMOS. Though I'm unsure about reverting it as some citations did not match up with information in article or were outdated. I'm unsure about walking the line between prep and writing in this style so I appreciate an outside voice, feel free to be bold if you prefer. Thank you AverageleveledIQ (talk) 16:51, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing donor selection and specimen prep portion