Talk:Binghamton University/Archive 1

message: Again, if they only listed the good things, then it would be NPOV... it appears that there are multiple prospectives present, even criticisms.  Also, this article is consistent with most any other collegiate institution article and how that information is presented.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.220.42 (talk) 08:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This point goes last, not first.  And, as it says, wikipedia is not a place to advertise.  Just because some prominent source says something doesn't make it true.  For instance, we could use statistics in Marlboro to indicate that 9 out of 10 doctors recommend their cigarettes, that doesn't mean it should be used.  Don't remove the NPOV tag without good reason, and add new comments to the bottom of the list, not the top.66.24.111.185 05:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality dispute

message: 19:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Language Changes

message: 15:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Highest ranked ?? Cornell?? 

message: This edit, removing the "controversy" section, was reverted by me as that IP WHOIS's to "State University of New York at Binghamton", which owns the entire range "128.226.x.x". I found someone FROM this institution removing criticism from the page on it too much to take, especially with no edit summary or justification that I could see from them. 68.39.174.238 09:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspiscious edits FROM Binghamton University 

message: The Controversy section of the article has been deleted due to several inaccuracies and a blatant bias.  Please contact me with any questions.  -- Bialek 07:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy Section Deleted 

message: Actually, this is not entirely true.  While they cannot forbit a student from applying, they can refuse the student the use of that institution's recommendation, hence disqualifying the individual from candidacy into most any grad program.  So, no, a school can't actually stop the student, but they can take drastic strides in assuring the school's image through statistics.  Binghamton University has made the decision to stand against such practices and while giving students practical guidance will allow, without any implimented restraints, an individual to apply where ever he or she wishes.
Applicants to graduate school do not need the permission of their undergraduate institution to do so.  Undergrad institutions may limit access to certain "pre-" programs (pre-med, pre-law) but this does not forbid them making an application to any graduate program.
:This is the sentence in question, correct? "Important Note: Unlike MOST schools, Binghamton allows (with guidance) any student who truly wishes to apply to a graduate school the opportunity. Most programs below have their own advising program." Besides being, in my eyes, in violation of WP:NPOV, it is obviously not true. I deleted it. Tcatts 18:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Grad school admissions

message: They were poorly formatted, and cluttered up the article, especially the Mountainview one that was way, way too wide.
I'm not sure why, but there was also a picture of a Blondie album there as well.--Toffile 13:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Please stop inserting unreferenced and NPOV comments regarding Pipe Dream, Binghamton University's main student newspaper. It's fine to include a short sentence citing legitimate criticisms, but it had better be referenced. If it's not, I'll delete it again. Tcatts 21:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pipe Dream 

message: This article is in dire need of references. Almost all the factual claims regarding programs, facilities, rankings, etc. are uncited. I've tagged some of these; if you could kindly not remove the tags until I've had a couple days to try to fix them, I'd appreciate it. However, since this page gets a lot of traffic from editors who are apparently connected to the schools, it might be easier for them to add the needed sources. --Tcatts 14:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I took a hack at the first paragraph, adding cites and improving readability. Feel free to pick up where I left off. --Tcatts 20:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References desperately needed 

message: I condensed the information on residential communities. Can anyone point to another example of a college or university article with an equally extensive treatment of dorms with no apparent claim to notability? If not, they might have to go. --Tcatts 04:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dorms 

message: Fiske Guide to colleges has ranked Binghamton University, "The Premier Public University in the Northeast."
Bighamton University is not the highest ranked public University in the Northeastern United States.  Both Penn State (#13) and Rutgers (#21) beat BU at #30.  Even the source of the false claim demonstrates this:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/natudoc/natudoc_pub_brief.php
:That was probably vandalism... It should read "in New York State". -newkai t-c 00:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest Ranked Public? 

message: Anyone have any idea why this page is attracting so much random vandalism lately? Has it been in the news or something? I just reverted some weird nonsense vandalism by an anon editor. If I ran over anyone's substantive edits in the process, I apologize. --Tcatts 16:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's up with the vandalism? 

message: Media:
19:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who knows... It's a very POV term... The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education lists SUNY Albany as a public ivy, but not Binghamton... There's no official list. Regarding "SUNY-Bing"... "BU" has been prevailing as a nickname since the name was changed around 1995. It took awhile to catch on, but it has. -newkai t-c 00:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: SUNY Albany is a "public ivy"? Principessa 21:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, it is See: . -newkai t-c 00:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public Ivy? 

message: I have made a proposal for a WikiProject for articles relating to Binghamton/Greater Binghamton/Triple Cities. If you are interested you can view it at:   WikiPedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Binghamton
Cheesebox 08:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have withdrawn the proposal due to lack of interest.  Cheesebox 03:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject proposal (Withdrawn) 

message: The name of this article must be changed to the complete, official name: "State University of New York at Binghamton". This would
be in agreement with the main article titles of the WP articles for the 3 other SUNY university centers. Based on http://computing.binghamton.edu/web/styleguide 
The State University of New York at Binghamton remains the official and legal name of the University. - 141.155.119.235 03:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. See WP:NC(S), which reads reads School article titles should use the full official name of the school as provided by the school itself, unless the most common name for the school is significantly more well known than the official name. All of the university's communications and marketing use the name "Binghamton University", even the letterhead, and the school has used that name for over a decade. This article needs to be moved back to Binghamton University. 128.226.240.76 19:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Binghamton's marketting doesn't have the final say; legally, its SUNY Binghamton, and frankly, I've never heard anyone outside of the University call it Binghamton University or BU...sorry, those names simply aren't the common.66.24.110.127 17:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding to that, I could put the name "Max Power" on all my letterhead and my friends can call me Max.  That doesn't mean that's my legal name.  In many instances on wiki, most are known by their proper name, not by their character name.  Such with structures. 66.24.110.127 17:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Article titles are not determined based on "legal names." Stevie Wonder's legal name is Stevland Hardaway Morris, but he is not known by that name, and hence it is not the article title. The same idea applies to this article (WP:NC(S)). SUNY Binghamton has been known as Binghamton University for the past decade, and the article name should be in agreement with that. 128.226.240.76 05:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The seal says "SUNY Binghamton".  There is no basis for calling Binghamton University Binghamton University aside from that's what the school (and really, only the school) want.66.24.111.185 05:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title must be changed to State University of New York at Binghamton

message: I put the NPOV tag up until this article stops sounding like an advertisement.  First, its too long: There's no reason for a page to be over 42 kb like this, and compared to other better ranked schools-this is an objective term but I don't think Binghamton is as respected as say Harvard-though maybe not this on-there's no reason for the Binghamton page to be longer.  So this tag stays until someone outside of Binghamton's marketting, or its extreme critics, edit it to normal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.24.39.246 (talk) 15:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, this article shouldn't be greatly advertised than the other SUNYs, nor should it contain more pictures.  I've cut it down.  Would Binghamton University marketting please stay away from wikipedia in the future, and no, we don't care about your little student group.  It shouldn't be on this page.  Feel free to create a page on your group and a page of a list of Binghamton University groups, but do not place your group on this page.  Besides, if Binghamton University spent the money on classes, rather than marketting and constantly having the school under construction, ratings might improve and we might be able to be in the top 50.  Is that a low blow and a cheap shot?  You bet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.24.111.185 (talk) 05:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia is not a place to advertise 

message: Someone has gone through and edited all of the instances of "Binghamton University," into SUNY Binghamton... I'm guessing an alumni behind the times.  I would like to clarify that while, in fact, Binghamton University is not the official name, neither is SUNY Binghamton.  The official name is "Binghamton University, State University of New York."   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.220.42 (talk) 01:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has edited from a Binghamton University range this, which is fictional if one looks at the seal.  There is no apparent reference to Binghamton University anywhere such as present anywhere.  None is given.  Thus that edit must be taken as vandalism.  Please leave your posts as they come in order at the bottom, not the top.  Furthermore, please keep the marketing department off this page.  The interference, while understandable, is not appropriate as wikipedia is not a place to advertise.  Numerous edits from the range 128.226.xxx.xx are owned by Binghamton University and are highly suspicious.66.24.35.55 18:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And who are you to say anyone is "Behind the times?" Is it "behind the times" to reject your marketing?  Cite if you are going to change it the origin of this title NO ONE has heard of.  As I said...right there on the seal, SUNY at Binghamton.66.24.35.55 18:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SUNY Binghamton vs. Binghamton University

message: I have cleaned up the headings and general organization of this article. It looks like through various editing many of the headings, order, etc., because inappropriate. I have barely changed any actual content with the exception of cleaning up the introduction, which many contributors seemed to agree was somewhat irrelevant (for instance, mentioning the library tower, etc.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.220.42 (talk) 03:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Clean-up 

message: I propose all instances of Binghamton University and SUNY Binghamton be only used in the introduction and history and that the school be known in the article as "Binghamton"-the reasoning being first, Binghamton is a compromise between the two, and secondly, its easy to read and say, and third, its what most people seem to call the university in my experience.  Fourth, this article is not about the city.  Fifth, it carries no political overtones that either Binghamton University or SUNY Binghamton carry.  Sixth, after the history and introduction, it is not necessary to call it by either name, and simplicity is best.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.151.2.10 (talk) 20:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Standard 

message: I have archived previous discussions as they made the page cumbersome and difficult to read.  They are in archive 1.163.151.2.10 (talk) 20:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved the archive to the proper name, and added an auto archiver to handle it in the future. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: No offense to Mr.Reynolds, but there must be a better image for this article.--Wiki11790 (talk) 07:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: The Binghamton University Food Co-Op provides a valuable service to the community, to both students and Binghamton residents.  I don't understand how whoever suggested removing it from the BInghamton University wiki doesn't see this-  we provide organic foods, and essentially all health food to people who don't want to support corporations and want to support local growers.  You have to be very ignorant to think it doesn't provide a valuable service.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkamins1 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Co-op 

message: I removed several student groups because they don't really seem to be notable; beyond the group's own web page there's little information for most of them. With 160 student groups on campus, we can't really include many groups unless they have significant third party sources per WP:NOTE Wsanders (talk) 05:57, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On this I, and the University MOS, agree.  Unfortunately, the group members tend to like to come back and readd their groups, so be prepared to have it turn up on your watchlist regularly. :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Student groups 

message: Is there someone who would like to change around the notable alumni section so that it is prose? See [] for a good example of an alumni section. Also, we should probably consider whether all of the alumni listed pass WP:NOTE Wsanders (talk) 18:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Alumni 

message: I don't think the Events center page should be merged. All other America East Basketball facilities have their own page. 
13:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And they are all being deleted, slowly but surely, where they can not establish individual notability.  SUNY's can not and needs to be merged. AnmaFinotera (talk) 14:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've closed the request after 9 or 10 months of no discussion. Anyways, in my opinion, all Division 1 football stadiums and basketball arenas are notable. There is no official notability guideline for buildings. --Michael Greiner 20:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Events Center Merger 

message: "In this issue tuition hikes, a steadfast approach towards promoting multiculturalism and employing professors with leftist ideologies are all cited as devastating attacks on Binghamton University's reputation" 
This definitely doesn't strike me a NPOV. Stating that a campus paper's view greatly deviates from the local norm is one thing; and saying it frequently attacks preconceptions about the university or tries to diminish its reputation is another. This reads more like praise.
In addition, I don't believe an individual edition of this newspaper meets notability guidelines; this particular issue was consistent in tone with all of their other releases. This isn't even one of the larger or more notable papers on campus. Wikipedia exists to be an encyclopedia, not an arbitrary collection of facts, or an amalgamation of as much information as possible on a topic.
Summary:
1) Above quote lacks NPOV.
2) Binghamton Review and its articles are not notable; nor do they really contribute an article about a university which is already bloated. 
Ktemkin (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Binghamton Review 

message: I'm assigning this level of importance to any large or mid-sized NY State university with extensive research activity.  Gave same level of importance to Columbia University and SUNY Stony Brook.  --AFriedman (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mid-importance in WP New York? 

message: This section pertains directly to a quickly evolving subject related to an ongoing investigation that is the subject of some debate. For obvious reasons, there is going to be a substantial amount of disagreement as to the actual facts underlying this topic. As such, entries within this section should strive to be brief, comprehensive, and general in nature in order to remain fair and neutral. Maintaining a NPOV is important so as to promote a balanced understanding of the topic, and thus the use of emotional terms and loaded phrases and constructs ought to be avoided. Carefully considered phrasing is key in creating a neutral and useful article in this instance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.35.67 (talk) 17:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no opposition three months later, I'm going to go ahead and "whack" the entire controversy section. The SS issue is not specific to BU, and the Antoun murder, although tragic, is not controversial and is also not indicative of any systemic issue within the university. --Dale316 (talk) 16:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: This section does not rise above Binghamton University PR if the basketball scandal is not discussed with athletics. According to Phil Muschnick of hte New York Post (Sept 27, 2009), " Over the last five years, the college repeatedly demonstrated that its primary mission is to win basketball games, even if it meant recruiting from Serbia Miladin Kovacevic, who beat a Binghamton student, half his size, into a coma." The scandal, clearly described in "the Kaye report" (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/sports/20100210_BING_DOC.pdf )revealed what those familar with the university already knew. The university president had spearheaded a decade of corruption, the worst of which is still being revealed. According to Pete Thamel in a 2/29/2012 article in the NY Times "Lois DeFleur, the university president, retired. Mary Ann Swain, the provost, stepped down to return to teaching. Athletic Director Joel Thirer resigned soon after Mayben’s arrest and returned to teaching. Coach Kevin Broadus was suspended with pay and his contract was eventually bought out. The contract of the senior associate athletic director, Jason Siegel, was not renewed. (Siegel and another athletic department official were accused of sexual harassment by a department fund-raiser and the university settled for $280,000.)". Even more recently, it was revealed that even the investigation was conducted in an inappropriate manner contibuting. "The Times Union of Albany reports today that a draft of a state audit on the Research Foundation of the State University of New York found that millions of dollars were “mishandled, misspent or misused.” and "—The Research Foundation paid a total of $3 million for 10 contracts for which there was a potential conflict of interest and policy violations. That includes a $913,000 investigation of Binghamton University’s basketball program for the SUNY Board of Trustees. Judith Kaye, New York’s former chief judge, led the probe for the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP and Affiliates."
:Above section moved from article space as it seems to be a discussion.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(talk) 16:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Athletics 

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message: I see the notice on the top of this page. But why does it matter what Binghamton employees say on the matter? WP:UNI guidelines specifies that we use the seal in the infobox. As  says, "This image of a university's logo, seal, or crest may be subject to internal institutional restrictions, including a prohibition on use without permission from the administration or public relations department. These restrictions are not binding on anyone outside of the university."
On top of this talk page the note states "Issues identified are: According to the university, the logo should be used and not the seal, as the seal should only be used for official documents."
This argument does not apply to a wikipedia article however, because the use in this instance is considered fair use under the policies of Wikipedia and ultimately under United States Copyright Law.  As fair use, the use of this image does not require special permission or license from the copyright holder, and thus can be used in a manner which might be contrary to the copyright holder's established policies regarding use of the copyrighted work.
I suggest bringing the seal back, every other college page has a seal in the infobox. I have seen this exact argument over at another SUNY talk page, and the seal was put back in the article.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:University_at_Albany,_SUNY#Fair_use_for_UAlbany_Seal
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