Talk:Gunslinger Girl/Archive 1

message: Does anyone know who the leader of the Padania movement is?  If there is such a character, please inform me.  --Chameleon.
I understand most people have seen the anime instead of the manga, and since the anime makes no attempt to mention this bit of information, it is fair that the canonical details of the Gunslinger Girl should be based on the original work. Time to the clear up this big error most anime viewers seem to assume: the Social Welfare Section is just an alternative name which belong solely to Section Two. Both Section One and Section Two are parts of a higher section of the Italian intelligence. The elder woman of whom Lorenzo can be seen reporting to in Vol 3, is the actual supreme commander of this group which consisted of the two Sections. 
--reader
Thank you for this information.  I will be sure to apply it to the changes and clean-ups I shall make for this page. I will try to see if I could improve this page's organization. --Chameleon.
Wasn't Chameleon's question "who's the leader of the PRF?"? I thought it was Chirtiano, since Franco and Franca, as well as Pino and others seemed to follow his orders and protect him as if he was their leader. Maybe he's just an important leutenant? In any case, I'd also like to know who the leader of Panadia is. Maybe only time will tell?
Well, if the Anime's episode 2 of season 2 is anything to go by, then it looks to be a ruling council of 4, with Christiano being one of the top guys. Doesn't seem to be one supreme leader, not that surprising considering that a cell-like organization tends to be more difficult to take down completely. 62.51.168.5 (talk) 19:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leader of Padania 

message: It seems to me that relations between the two sections of the Political Warfare Section are wary at best, and highly political at worst.  It seems to me that due to the overwhelming success of Section Two's cyborgs, the chief of Section One, Draghi, becomes understandably jealous.  Draghi was determined to dig up dirt on Section Two in order to undermine the political power of Section Two.
Could one imagine how much political power Section Two would gain if the cyborg assassin program were perfected?  Perfect assassins could give Section Two a voice in the government (behind the scenes) that could not be ignored.
Lorenzo, the chief of Section Two, and Jean are, of course, resentful of Draghi's uninvited intrusions, but I am not sure how pure their intentions for the cyborg assassins were.  Evidence of this shows when Jean warns Pietro Fermi, agent of Section One, to keep his curiosity in check.
This puts forward a question:  Will Section Two become corrupted by its potential political power in future? --Chameleon.
Unfortunately, even in the manga, the inner conflict within the Political Warfare Section, and the future of Section Two has not been explored in any depth. (As the series was focusing on the theme of human traits and terrorism) But one can easily understand the concerns of Section One, as its members see themselves being much more inferior compare with the abilities of Section Two. Yet throughout the manga series, it seems it is Section Two that is more concerned with its welfare, as the issue of the fratellos becoming liabilities and its exposure to the public, are brought up constantly even to the last volume of the books. It is fair to assume Section Two will face a crisis of termination, more likely than extending their influence into politics. -- reader
I see. Reasonable, since using a child for the purposes of dirty work for the government is a highly sensitive issue, politically or otherwise.  It would create an uproar.  Plus, the processes used to create a fratello are still in an experimental stage, so feasibility is a constant issue at this point. --Chameleon.
Re: "one can easily understand the concerns of Section One, as its members see themselves being much more inferior compare with the abilities of Section Two," can you cite your source? In vol. 1, p. 122, we see members of Section 1, far from feeling inferior, holding Section 2 very much in disdain.  125.14.109.235 06:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations Between Sections One and Two 

message: Jean reported to Claes that her handler Raparo was killed in a hit-and-run incident.  But what really happened?  I'm not sure if I could trust Section Two's explanations, since they may not be above deception if it suits their purposes.  The motive may be good, but I am still a bit suspicious.  What do you think? --Chameleon.
I think its more than obvious Raparo died at the hands of the Section. Before his "death", Raparo told the reporter he had to make note he was not being followed. What was the last organization he had any affilation with, that required one's caution when one departs? Since the PWS is the only known dirty minion of the government, they're probably the one responsible for the captain's death. Definately Section One's work, because any of the girls will display acts of awkardness around Claes if she was the trigger-puller. --reader
Strictly from what was shown in the anime, I was under the impression that they found out about his contact with the reporter and sent Triela after him.  They told Claes he was dead and in one of the next scenes it was of Triela finishing getting ready for a mission.  I could be wrong though, Claes had been reconditioned by then and would likely have forgot about him all together.  If that were the case it wouldn't matter if Triela told Claes later what really happened or not since they were roommates. --kanzen
:In the manga, that scene is not present.  Triela was also with Claes in their room when they found out.  --Wirbelwind 09:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Fate of Raparo 

message: Chameleon and reader, please note that articles' talk pages are to discuss the article itself and how to improve it, not its subject. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a forum (see What is a talk page used for?). --Fritz S. (Talk) 16:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really see how posting your story ideas for future volumes helps the article. Also, please sign your posts with ~~~~, which will insert your user name/ip and the date, instead of signing with a user name already used by someone else (User:Chameleon). --Fritz S. (Talk) 14:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On talk page usage 

message: Concerning the changes made by 198.166.240.49 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gunslinger_Girl&diff=65350221&oldid=63870812), I don't like the info on their heavy weapon/exclusive weapons info.  Is it even verifiable (both in what weapon they use as well as using exclusively those weapons) because it sounds like first-hand research/speculation to me.  And the heavy weapon section make them sound like Gundams or something, with heavy weapon variations.  Mentioning their prefered weapons like previously was better, I think.  I didn't want to flat out remove it because it might be correct info, or could be made to fit the article better.  --Wirbelwind 20:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary weapons? Verifiable? 

message: When I checked up on this article about 2 weeks ago I recall seeing bits of info that I can't seem to locate now about this anime being considered "one of the saddest animes" and the game being considered "one of the most immoral." was it removed or am I just seeing things? i wanted to discuss the first missing info that I noticed.
how exactly is gunslinger girl one of the saddest animes ever? that bit of into made me go out and borrow it from a friend so i could review it, but I wasn't really moved. I'd appreciate it if that bit of the article was added back in with a synopsis as to why it is such a depressing anime (i really didn't find the last episode very sad and in fact, thought it was more of a happy ending than a sad one since Ange heard the story that was made just for her when she supposedly died). - Ironstove 75.28.20.87 03:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The movie being sad is not fact; maybe a common opinion but that does not belong in an encyclopedia article.  The information about the game being one of the most immoral was not cited and thus removed by someone, as there seem to be no proof to the existance of the review.  And Agelica didn't die. ~_~ --Wirbelwind 16:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean by the first comment, but how can you be certain that Ange doesn't die? Just because she went on living in the manga doesn't mean that the anime stuck with that storyline since there were various differences and the final episode didn't really give me any reason to believe she was either dead or alive since the scene seemed pretty ambiguous, but assuming that the last scene followed the general mood of the rest of the anime, I would only could only assume that she had died. Ironstove 02:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed content? 

message: Why does the article need expanding? It seems good and efficent to me. Colonel Marksman 02:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't see anything in the talk page about it, and don't see anything in the request for expansion, and the tag is in the talk page itself.  So I removed it.  If someone wants to add, add it in the article and give reasons why.  --Wirbelwind 15:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion? 

message: Where in the heavens is everyone getting that name from? SWA-- Social Welfare Agency, with two divisions: Section One (Intelligence/Investigation), Section Two (Implants/cyborgs/puppets). Colonel Marksman 02:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not 100% sure but I believe that Political Warfare section is the governmental section that involves Section 1 and Section 2 (if there aren't any others).  Only Section 2 makes sense as the Social Welfare Agency, since Section 1 doesn't deal with the cyborgs. --Wirbelwind 15:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't remember seeing it in the manga.  Where was it? --Wirbelwind 00:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poltical Warfare Section? 

message: Could we use the series itself as a reference? I never knew (please point me to some guidelines). Colonel Marksman 02:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, because it's considered a primary source (the work itself that you write about).  The guidelines is at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources. --Wirbelwind 15:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Is there a movie called Gunslinger Girl also? There probably isn't but i I'm just making sure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.38 (talk) 21:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is not one to my knowlegde. --Eruhildo 11:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie? 

message: The exact romanization of the character Jose/Giuseppe in both versions of the original manga as well as the anime is . The name is spelled and pronounced as Jose in both English-language adaptations of the anime (both the Animax adaptation as well as the FUNimation adaptation, as evidenced by the region one DVD credits as well as by an ANN review here). I understand that the name Giuseppe is instead used in ADV's English-adaptation of the manga (which by the way, is currently put on hold), however if this is the only instance where this particular name makes an appearance, it cannot be considered a part of common usage. Per WP:MOS-JA: "Names should be romanized according to common usage (see below), which includes unconventional romanizations by licensees (e.g., Devil Hunter Yohko and Tenjho Tenge).". Due to the original version of the manga (with the author and creator, Yu Aida, using the name  as well as both English-language versions of the anime spelling and pronouncing the character's name as Jose, I think it's quite certain that the character's name Jose is most certainly part of common usage, and therefore is to be preferred in the article per WP:MOS-JA. ···巌流? · Talk to Ganryuu 20:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanization of Joze's name 

message: I would like to know if the Agency is on the political right or left. If you have some idea on the subject please let me know. Freedom Fighter 1988 03:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Agency is right-wing or left-wing? 

message: Which one is it?
Rachael seems more conventional, however Ratiel backs up the theory of the origins of Triela's equally obscure name.
At the moment, the article conflicts on the two
Lmaowitzer 11:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratiel / Rachael 

message: Can we PLEASE get some more pictures! Preferrably, some profile pics! 
If someone doesn't bring in some pictures soon, I'm posting my sketches! (That's a threat) Colonel Marksman 01:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, I've put in profile pictures for most of the main characters. Lmaowitzer 03:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profile Pics 

message: Alright, I'm going to split the Characters section off into List of Gunslinger Girl Characters as it's getting unnecessarily long for the article.
Still kind of new to this, so I'm bound to make plenty of mistakes, would appreciate some assistance. (Lmaowitzer 09:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters split 

message: Has anyone noticed that the cover art picture is overlapping the episode list?  It doesn't look very good and I was wondering if someone could come up with a better way to arrange it. --Eruhildo 18:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't overlap for me. Probably a problem with your monitor, specifically the resolution being really low. --tjstrf talk 18:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does to me too, actually, on 1024x768. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 02:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mine is 1280x1024 (no overlap). --tjstrf talk 07:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My laptop has 1280x800 res and it has no overlap, but when I made the comment I was using a desktop with, I think, 1024x768.  Since that's still a fairly common resolution, I think it should be rearranged to accommodate those users. --Eruhildo 22:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I adjusted it down from 150 to 120 pixels in width, does that fix it? Anything more and it starts looking like a tiny blur and might as well not be there. --tjstrf talk 23:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, it didn't work. The problem is that big episode list table which has nowrap enabled. I moved it down, below theme song and trivia (which fixes the problem), but I don't like how it looks. Maybe we can take out the part in parenthesis in the table, then it should work. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 23:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now? (I'd check myself, but switching resolutions screws up my monitor something awful.) --tjstrf talk 00:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The computer I'm using now has 1024x768 res and it looks pretty good.  Was it just that really long title for episode 8 that made it wide? --Eruhildo 04:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to have been the case, yes. --tjstrf talk 22:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime section 

message: To be quite honest I don't recall this as an ending to the anime at all, was it for a specific episode or variation? If it is indeed for a specific episode of the anime, it would possibly be a nice idea to add that, same if it's for a different presentation of the anime. [[207.157.17.19 12:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an intro or ending theme; it's played at the begninning of "Protezione."199.76.166.220 (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Woke From Dreaming?" 

message: anyone else notice this is pretty much a story for counter strike (aside from the characters themselves)? take the first action from the anime series: girl does a p90 rush into a room, takes out a few terrorists with ak47s, two terrorists are camping, one with a mac10 and another with an he nade, the camping terrorists get taken out with headshots by a sniper. almost all the guns are accounted for with the exception of the sniper rifles, though one seems to be the auto-sniper; there're he, smoke and flash nades. even the game gives the rogue character a desert eagle and m16 which is close to the m4 carbine series. it's probably not worth mentioning in the article, but i can't help but see the resembelance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.201.240 (talk) 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  counter strike 

message: "Since the Italian government in Gunslinger Girl is implied to be corrupt, support for the PRF is considerable, ranging from civilians and businessmen to government officials and elite special forces units."
Does anyone agree that this is a little unclear? Does the first part about the corruption of the government have to do with the rest of the statement? If it is, then shouldn't "government officials" be first on the list after the second comma? If it doesn't have to do with the rest of the sentence, can we find another way to write that portion? A way that makes more sense? Jason2gs (talk) 22:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - it is kind of unclear what it's trying to say. Unfortunately, I'm not good with words so I can't think of another way to put it. What you suggested sounded good though - why don't you give it a try? --Eruhildo (talk) 03:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would, except I don't know exactly what it's trying to say. I know that it's saying that part of the government is in cahoots with the RF, but I don't know how it correlates to the first part of the sentence. If that made any sense. I don't want to write the wrong thing and mislead people ^_^ 71.238.211.166 (talk) 09:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's trying to say that since the government is corrupt there are many people in the region who support creating a cleaner government. --Eruhildo (talk) 18:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. It's saying that the PRF is not entirely wrong in it's ideal as the Government is unclean and therefore involved in unfair dealings. -- Psi edit (talk) 02:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A tad unclear? 

message: I've read the discussion at Talk:Dengeki Daioh#Seinen or shōnen, but I don't agree that this series should be listed as shōnen. It has deep psychological themes that seem like they would be seinen to me. Does anyone else agree? I think it would be alright for some series to be listed as seinen even though Dengeki Daioh is listed as shōnen as long as the series is a clear seinen. Please post your opinions on this. Thank you. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say you're reading too much into the meaning of those words. Shounen doesn't equal shallow and seinen doesn't equal deep. In practise, they don't even really mean "for boys" and "for young men". I mean, consider the most unequivocally shounen manga magazine of all: Shounen Jump. It does publish a number of titles we think of as prototypically shounen, of course, but its readership is quite diverse. A manga like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure was read by middle-aged men, mostly (it's probably true nowadays of Hunter x Hunter). And Prince of Tennis has an overwhelming readership of fujoshi :-). It's probably true that the classification of Daioh as a shounen magazine is a poor reflection of its actual readership, but it does mean that, technically, Gunslinger Girl and Yotsuba&! are shounen manga. If anything, it should convince us that those demographic labels have little significance content-wise. Bikasuishin (talk) 00:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I see what you're saying. Thanks for explaining it to me. --Eruhildo (talk) 05:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographic 

message: I suggest the lead section talk more than about production. A mention about guns and girls should be added. The genre or the audience targeted should be specified.170.140.176.196 (talk) 01:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: we should atleast mention the arcs like other animes naruto and bleach  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estarrol (talk • contribs) 20:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No as there are no arcs in Gunslinger Girl. Bleach and Naruto are both extremely lengthy series that have clearly defined official arcs. AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Volume lists and summaries go in the media section, which does sadly need a LOT of work. For the main plot section, however, its supposed to be an overall view of the plot, not a summary of every storyline and volume.  AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Template done :P Want to fill in the character section with some prose highlighting the main girls and handlers? It looks rather bare with just the link to the character list. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

text: No. Arc information would be OR and those pages get AfD quickly (thank goodness). The summaries of each volume goes in the volume table (there is a field for it) and they should be between 150-400 words in length. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synposis 

message: I noticed that the volume 1 chapter titles used the nihongo template. Do we want to include the orginal Japanese titles as well? I can add the titles for the later volumes if you need it. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if possible. I noticed in the earlier volumes ADV even included the kanji, but no idea how to type it into the system :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I put in the Japanese titles for volumes 7-9 as I had them handy. I should be able to get the other chapters done tomorrow. --Eruhildo (talk) 03:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sweet, thanks! :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Got volumes 1, 4, and 6 done. I can't tell on volume 2 if ADV removed the kanji, or the chapters had English titles. For chapter 21 I changed "wise" to "clever" as  can be translated either way and it makes more sense that way in context. I've also seen the title translated as "Cunning like a Snake, Sincere like a Dove". For chapter 22 I changed the title to "She is a Flower that Blossoms in Bona Fides" as this is what the title is (no kanji). --Eruhildo (talk) 21:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Added chapters 51-53 - a little early, but if you don't want it in the article right now, we can always move it to here. A note on chapter 20: the list of chapters in volume 4 has the title as , but the chapter itself has . This bothered me, especially since I couldn't find that last character in my kanji dictionary, so I did a little research and discovered that the latter title is actually the spelling of the opera Tosca in Chinese while the former is the spelling in Japanese. See :ja:トスカ and :zh:托斯卡. My thinking is to only list the Japanese spelling in this article and not include the Chinese one, but I'm open to other opinions. What do y'all think? --Eruhildo (talk) 21:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine on the chapters, since I've seen it done in other lists of ongoing works. I'm inclined to say just go with the Japanese spelling for the article. AnmaFinotera (talk) 22:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter titles 

message: Veoh has Gunslinger Girl II as they call it on their site now, should that be mentioned? Yami (talk) 18:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't see why not. Added a bit about it to the Anime section. --Eruhildo (talk) 03:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gunslinger Girl II on Veoh 

message: Why is she alive again in the second season? --Aroddo (talk) 12:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously she didn't die.  Also, this is not a message board.--71.196.109.196 (talk) 04:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angelica died - Alive again in Il Teatrino?? 

message: *ANN: Season 1 BR Shelf life Season 2 BR Season 2 BR Right Turn only omnibus vol. 1-3 
*Mania.com: Manga omnibus vol. 1-3
*Active Anime: UK DVD complete season 2
--KrebMarkt 18:10, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs dump 

message: ...series; however, the premise is astonishingly cynical: programming lovely little girls to be assassins.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.51.153.238 (talk) 21:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's a beautifully realized... 

message: Does it count as a horror anime? Because I recently saw a trailer for the anime, and I was quite disturbed.--Austin Robinson 12:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because you found it disturbing doesn't mean that it is "horror". In fact, that type of personal interpretation is the very reason we have WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV in order to keep it out. —Farix (t | c) 00:10, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horror anime 

message: The current reception section does not cover general reception and displays quite a bias. Unless someone has relevant reception information, I feel that this section should be removed. 219.90.233.149 (talk) 16:10, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, the section read like a self-advertisement for the authors of the book it referenced, and made unwarranted/obscure relations to other anime.  The section had already been flagged for lacking detail so I have removed the reception section.  Please feel free to reinsert it if you are prepared to add additional information / more sources.  81.98.102.243 (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: An edit summary should always be used when removing content. I should also note that there are links to reviews in the 'Refs dump' section of this page and a 'Further reading' section I added to the article. – Allen4names (IPv6 contributions) 20:29, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception