Talk:Henry IV, Part 1

message: Henry IV, part 1 → TBD – The "P" in "Part" should definitely be capitalized. I'd like to see the consensus on Roman versus Arabic numerals and comma versus no comma before moving the page, though; hence . — Quuxplusone 02:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The current title (Henry IV, part 1) is obviously incorrect. The questions are, first, whether to use Roman or Arabic numerals, and second, whether to keep or remove the comma. That is, which of the following is preferred? Quuxplusone 02:01, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Approval voting is encouraged for page moves requested on WP:RM.
* Do not move the page from Henry IV, part 1
* Propose move to Henry IV Part I and (Part II)
* Propose move to Henry IV Part 1 and (Part 2)
*# I vote for Henry IV, Part 1. --Quuxplusone 02:01, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

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Are the ideas of "ideal king" and Machiavel neccessarily mutually exclusive? Arguably Hal became the ideal Machiavellian king? Without any more detail about what is meant by "ideal king" the section is a bit unclear; would the author care to expand upon their concept of ideal king? --Trithemius 00:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Shakespeare didn't incorporate that character into Henry IV, Part 1.  He simply changed Oldcastle's name to Falstaff.  The name he apparently got from Fastolfe, but that's about all. john k (talk) 06:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: reading the linked article on the meaning of this latin term suggests the wrong term was used here.  Apparently, it should either be terminus post quem (date after which) or terminus a quo.  The phrase given apparently refers to "latest possible date" of composition of an uncertain text, rather than "earliest possible date".  PaulHammond (talk) 20:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the Latin serves no better purpose than to impress the reader, and we've now had three iterations of this phrase, I've simply rewritten it in plain English. --Xover (talk) 21:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a go at sourcing the section and it's caused me to change it. It seems to me that saying Holinshead was a source is enough to make the reader realise that the play couldn't have been written before its publication. Calling it the terminus-whateveritis-quem gives the impression that scholars don't consider other evidence of a far later dating to be relevant, and clearly they do: Humphreys and Kastan put the play in the late 1590s, by which time the 2nd edition Holinshead was a decade old, and had served as the source for at least five of Shakespeare's earlier history plays. I'm not minded to expand the section myself, at the moment, though. AndyJones (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminus ad quem 

message: The cast list remarks that Henry IV is sometimes referred to as Bolingbroke or Lancaster, his lesser titles.  Perhaps it should be added that referring to the King this way is a subtle insult, implying that he does not deserve the title of king and is "really" just the Duke of Lancaster or Mr. Bolingbroke.
CharlesTheBold (talk) 03:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The King's Names 

message: Does anyone know what the Auden reference in the "Themes and Interpretations" section (to which I just added "better source needed") is a reference to? His "Lectures on Shakespeare (1946–47, reconstructed and ed. by Arthur Kirsch, Princeton, 2001)" maybe? Dingsuntil (talk) 12:00, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the Auden reference? 

message: Not sure how to work this in, but given the forthcoming publication of a new Oxford edition that says Marlowe co-wrote it, he clearly needs to be mentioned in this article. Telegraph article announcing the ascription. --Haruo (talk) 14:44, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: According to that article and this one, they're referring to Henry VI, Part 1, Henry VI, Part 2 and Henry VI, Part 3 as being co-written by Marlowe, not Henry IV.Oakshade (talk) 05:03, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add mention of Marlowe's purported coauthorship