Talk:Jöns Jacob Berzelius

message: According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica , MSN Encarta , and Encyclopaedia.com  encyclopaedias, his name is Jöns Jakob Berzelius not Jöns Jacob Berzelius. I am planning on renaming this article as such in-line with those other encyclopaedias. Any objections? Megan1967 04:53, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also just noted Library of Congress catalogue also lists his publications as Jöns Jakob Berzelius not Jöns Jacob Berzelius . Megan1967 05:01, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we could still provide a little info on the spelling of the name to clarify confusion? ~ 67.42.203.155 11:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaming to Jöns Jakob Berzelius

message: In a minor edit for fixing a bad link, I noticed subscript in water formula was bolded, but I couldn't see that. Before I noticed I can see it in other browser, I erased it.
Now I checked that bolded is correctly displayed on big font sizes and in Internet Explorer browser. Anyways, has it importance? I don't know about its displaying on other browsers.
—Nethac DIU, would never stop to talk here—12:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has it importance? 

message: A very important term that Berzelius used for the first time is "catalysis". It's not mentioned here, neither he is mentioned in the article about catalysis in wikipedia. I attach the link for Berzelius in the enciclopaedia britannica: 
--193.147.219.225 14:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone fixed that. Thanks someone! Said: Rursus (☻) 15:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalysis 

message: The article have references and citations, the citations just need to be fixed into the text by the <ref> mechanism. The template  should IMHO be used instead. So i go. Said: Rursus (☻) 15:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong template 

message: This article should be moved to Jöns Jacob Berzelius, but this will require administrator work. The Jacob version is definitely the spelling of his own era. Swedish encyclopediae of the late 19th century and early 20th century "reformed" the spelling of many older Swedes; thus Jacob became Jakob, Carl became Karl and so on. Since several decades (mid-20th century) Swedish sources always favor the original spelling to be kept. It is understandable that this "reformed" (read: corrupted) spelling appears in many online sources, since the early 20th century encylopediae, such as Nordisk Familjebok, are now in the public domain, while the mid- and late-20th century sources are still copyrighted. Compare the spelling of the Swedish article: :sv:Jöns Jacob Berzelius. Tomas e (talk) 16:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Swedish spelling is of little intrest if there is a common english spelling of his name. Wiki tries always to use the most common spelling in english speaking countries even it differes from the right and or iriginal spelling, so is there a chance that Jacob or Jakob is more common in english publications? --Stone (talk) 13:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there such a thing as a "spelling in English" of a person's name which doesn't need to be translitterated, or is there just misspelling? There has definitely been a move away from changing the spelling of names in English. You don't see the (mis)spellings Adolph Hitler or Herman Goering used as primary names in this encyclopedia, but could very well have seen them in a printed English-language encyclopedia 50 years ago. That's why we have redirects from probable misspellings but place articles under their correct name. Tomas e (talk) 20:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Rudolf Mössbauer and Franz Josef Strauss are misspellings in my view, but they are the oficial titles for the articles. This is slowly going back, but I think there is no consensus if we are already there and use the right names if they use latin letters.--Stone (talk) 20:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone at svwp has been "stalking" some Stockholm burial grounds lately - in broad daylight, so no need for worry :-). I couldn't avoid showing you how his name is spelled on his tombstone. Tomas e (talk) 15:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Tomas e that the article title should use the correct Swedish spelling of Jacob, since it uses only English letters. The alternate form Jakob may have been imported from German to English in the past; it can be mentioned once in the opening paragraph. As for Mössbauer and Strauss, they are not really analogous since the German letter β is not part of the English alphabet and must be transliterated as ss, but there is no such problem for Jacob.  Dirac66 (talk) 21:12, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Historians (like myself) generally use the form of the name used by the protagonist himself, hence in this case Jacob Berzelius.  And by the way, he never used his first name Jöns; he went consistently by the name "Jacob Berzelius", and this is the name on the title pages of all of his books (see also the gravestone image).  I would suggest not changing the title of the article, and adding a note about the non-use of Jöns.129.22.72.125 (talk) 16:34, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The previous comment is fully endorsed. I agree not to change the current title but suggest to add a note, perhaps in the introductory paragraph, of something like "by himself and his contemporary society consistently refered to as Jacob Berzelius. Jöns was a silent firstname, a tradition that is common in Sweden." Axel Fredrik (talk) 22:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jacob versus Jakob 

message: Is there a need to have a digression on Vitalism on this page? The section should be more about Berzelius's work on the theory of vitalism rather that a discussion of other scientist's work on the theory. Cole Phinney (talk) 16:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on Vitalism 

message: I am going to add a section on his work in electro-chemistryCole Phinney (talk) 05:36, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Work in Electro Chemistry 

message: Berzelius was well known for his textbook of Chemistry and there is no mention of it on the article yet.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cole Phinney (talk • contribs) 20:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Published works 

message: This article could be more useful if it provided information of how Berzelius discovered each element that he did discover. Cole Phinney (talk) 16:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, would you mind doing it?  Needs a decent source to be quoted, but otherwise the principal challenge is finding someone who understands the context and the discoveries themselves sufficiently to avoid writing obvious nonsense.   Sounds like the person with the necessary knowledge might be you.   Success Charles01 (talk) 17:10, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discovery of Elements 

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