Talk:United Pentecostal Church International/Archive 1

message: It seems there is no critical view within the article. I thought UPC has some rather vocal critics? joshbuddy 06:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Criticism? 

message: If you have a problem with the way a paticular section is presented, please list it here:
=== Section: "Prominent People Associated with the UPCI" ===
From above: There are people mentioned in the prominent persons affiliated section that aren't and haven't been affiliated with the UPCI organization.  Elvis Presley was raised a Pentecostal, but not a United Pentecostal.  The Presidents listed were not affiliated with the organization either, you need to list references for this, George Bush and George W. Bush are Episcopalian, Ronald Reagan was Presbyterian, not sure about Bill Clinton.  David Robinson attends a non denominatinal church pastored by Max Lucado.  You can find this information by following the links in there names.  Icj tlc 23:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Friendship with a particular minister does not qualify as being "Affiliated."  I have friends that are atheists, Buddhists, and Muslims; that does not make me an atheist, Buddhist, or Muslim. Icj tlc 16:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: [The following comment was deleted by Dcmcgov 20:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The site apostolicsingles.net is not realy associated with united pentecostal church. I wonder how this link can be added here? [Unsigned comment by User:61.246.60.188 14 January 2006] 
In the light of correcting MANY errors on this page...the external links listed in this section are to individual churches and organizations related to the UPCI.  The purpose of External Links is to provide sources and other points of reference related to the topic.  None of the listed websites do so, they are all adverts for the individual churches and orgs associated to UPCI.  Fail to see how these are usefell in educating people about the organization. Icj tlc 17:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree.  This page should not be an online church directory.  I'll start deleting. Dcmcgov 20:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed Sections 

message: From above: There are people mentioned in the prominent persons affiliated section that aren't and haven't been affiliated with the UPCI organization.  Elvis Presley was raised a Pentecostal, but not a United Pentecostal.  The Presidents listed were not affiliated with the organization either, you need to list references for this, George Bush and George W. Bush are Episcopalian, Ronald Reagan was Presbyterian, not sure about Bill Clinton.  David Robinson attends a non denominatinal church pastored by Max Lucado.  You can find this information by following the links in there names.  Icj tlc 23:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Friendship with a particular minister does not qualify as being "Affiliated."  I have friends that are atheists, Buddhists, and Muslims; that does not make me an atheist, Buddhist, or Muslim. Icj tlc 16:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: [The following comment was deleted by Dcmcgov 20:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section: "Prominent People Associated with the UPCI" 

message: :The site apostolicsingles.net is not realy associated with united pentecostal church. I wonder how this link can be added here? [Unsigned comment by User:61.246.60.188 14 January 2006] 
In the light of correcting MANY errors on this page...the external links listed in this section are to individual churches and organizations related to the UPCI.  The purpose of External Links is to provide sources and other points of reference related to the topic.  None of the listed websites do so, they are all adverts for the individual churches and orgs associated to UPCI.  Fail to see how these are usefell in educating people about the organization. Icj tlc 17:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  This page should not be an online church directory.  I'll start deleting. Dcmcgov 20:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section: "External Links" 

message: The following sections have been moved to better fitting areas of the discussion page. 69.224.126.153 23:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved Sections of Discussion 

message: This paragraph has been moved to the "Criticism" section Dcmcgov 21:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Criticism? 

message: This section has been moved to the "Greivances" section Dcmcgov 21:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  why I left the upc faith 

message: This section has been moved to "UPC Doctrine Discussion" Dcmcgov 21:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UPC distinctives 

message: Anyone that believes in "speaking in tongues" needs mental counseling..
:Hmm, Ok, following your logic the following people need a shrink: The Apostle Paul, Peter, James, Phillip, Andrew, Matthew, Luke, Mark, John the Baptist, Silas, everyone in the Upper Room, and the entire early church from the book of Acts and the entire New Testament just to name a few.  That's alot of "mental counseling".  -OR- Perhaps you just need to study the scripture. You also need to sign your comments! Dcmcgov 20:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speaking In Tongues 

message: Orthodox is defined as "Adhering to what is commonly accepted" - in otherwords, based on popular opinion. 
Truth is not defined by, nor is it dependent on popular opinion. 
As such, I don't care about what is orthodox, but rather I will "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." [Unsigned comment by User:Dadonaldd 16 March 2006] 
:Awesome!  So, like, you've done the historical research - read the ancient Greek and Aramaic scriptures, the various histories written in the first century about what early Christianity was like, maybe even helped to sift through the remains at archaeological sites in the Holy Land, to make sure that what you believe was once delivered unto the saints!  That's truly admirable.  Most UPC members I've known just swallow whatever their ministers teach them and they, themselves, read from some dead guy's translation - King James Bible.  They don't take any meaningful steps to ensure themselves that they have the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 24.164.94.116 03:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthodox? 

message: I changed "The UPCI is the largest Oneness Pentecostal Political organization" to "The UPCI is the largest Oneness Pentecostal organization" This is not a Political Organization. Pastorlinu 14:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Pastor Linu!  Thanks for contributing to the cleaning up of the vandalism on this page.  This is supposed to be an encyclopedia that gives fair and balanced information about subjects, but the anti-UPC crowd has turned it into a hateful grudge blog.  Anyway, I just wanted to give you a praise report; I dont know if you heard about the Azusa Street Centennial Crusade in Los Angeles over the past week, but I was there all week, and over 1,000 people were filled with the Holy Ghost and baptized in JESUS name at the Grand Olympic Auditorium in downtown L.A.  It was tremendous.  You can view the services at http://www.abnglobal.net  - God bless and have a great day. Dcmcgov 17:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes

message: Seems that someone needs a lesson on what Wiki considers vandalism. "Wiki vandalism is generally defined as editing a wiki in a way that is intentionally disruptive or destructive. There are four generally acknowledged types of vandalism: deletion of legitimate information, insertion of nonsense or irrelevant content, addition of unwanted commercial links (spam), and policy violations specific to that wiki." As all articles on Wiki should be written with NPOV, deliberate persistant efforts to remove NPOV (and thus violate the NPOV policy) are an act of vandalism. Please stop.198.97.67.59 18:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I believe DCMGOV intended to post this here instead of in my personal talk space
"Do NOT remove Acts 2:38 from the repentance section of the UPCI page again. If you don't agree with the UPCI doctrine, discuss it in the discussion page, but you cannot remove fundamental portions of the organization's doctrine simply because you do not like it." 71.74.217.83 00:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Acts 2:38

message: I've just finished alphabetizing and standardizing lists and links. I've also wikified/removed dead/broken links, as well as redundant links, or links which did not belong.
* Contains UPC position papers, beliefs and more
* United Pentecostal Church India website
I will probably put the first link in a section called 'criticisms of the UPCI' which I will make at some future point.
I removed the second link because it was dead, and also because it was not appropriate to put a regional organization under a heading for individual churches. I'm not even sure if links to individual churches should be in the wikipedia.
The schools and learning institutions are now properly linked, so I removed them from the list.
Firstdivider 07:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Editing Finished

message: I put a Special Protected sign due to so much vandalism and unwanted edit by anonymous people. 125.22.33.103 20:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Special Protected