Talk:Semester at Sea

message: This article was added by a robot to WikiProject California on 22-OCT-2006. This was, I suspect, because the article is under category "Chapman University," which is in California. Chapman University is one of the previous academic hosts of SAS -- the host university is moved around periodically -- but Chapman is no longer affiliated with the SAS program. SAS is now at the University of Virginia. 
I'm not convinced that Semester at Sea really qualifies to be part of WikiProject California, because SAS isn't run from there now. I do think that a strong case can be made that SAS should continue to be categorized under all of the previous University hosts, because that's an integral part of the program's history. Anyway, it probably doesn't matter, and I'm not going to sweat it. Kevyn 23:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article added to Wikiproject California

message: This section has been a mess ever since it was added earlier this month. It involves a scandal that allegedly occurred during the recent voyage, and in its original form was basically a rant about an unfair situation.
Students may feel disgruntled, and the things being written may or may not be true, but this section cannot be in this Wikipedia page because it fails two crucial tests, according to Wikipedia Official Policy.
1) It does not meet the burden of evidence. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation.. Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information. 
2) It does not meet the burden of being encyclopedic. See What Wikipedia is not.
I have left some, in the interest of not completely deleting what others may consider important to be on this page, but I have eliminated anything biased or clearly un-sourceable. While I acknowledge that some of my replacement text also is not sourced, I have acknowledged that with the Shipboard Rumors footnote.
--Springreturning (talk) 10:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Recent Controversy" Section 

message: Would a section like this be appropriate?  Possibly including the voyage that the above comment is about. Doubleohsix (talk) 20:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What's this incident or whatever that occurred? And if it did occur, it should be in the article from a factual standpoint. Coffee4binky (talk) 00:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticisms of the program

message: The following statement about the S.S. Seawise University is the subject of deabte:
::One ship SAS intended to use, the S.S. Seawise University (formerly the RMS Queen Elizabeth), burned and sank in Hong Kong Harbour during its retrofit into a campus in 1972, and consequently was never used for students.
There is disagreement between User:Kevyn and User:Msa1701 as to whether this information should be included or not. I request that all editors of this article chime in on the debate.
Kevyn's rationale: (Full disclosure, Kevyn is an alumni of Semester at Sea, Fall 1997 voyage aboard the S.S. Universe Explorer) The story of "the SAS ship that sank and burned" is an important part of Semester at Sea's history and lore. As a student, I heard about it when I was on board. I know others have as well. 
The fact that it sank before its maiden voyage, and never carried students, does not make it irrelevant. The Seawise Foundation, which owned the ship, and supplied it and managed it for Semester at Sea, as well as the S.S. Universe and S.S. Universe Explorer, is intimately linked with the history of SAS, even though that partnership no longer exists. It is completely relevant to the history of the program, and furthermore, I think that the photo of the wreck should be included.
The only reason I could think of not including it is because SAS is afraid that it will look bad or frighten prospective students and families. However, Wikipedia is not advertising, and objectively, this information should be included. kevyn (talk) 20:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, please note that this information is verifiable: The SAS media information kit, which is cited in the references section, specifically talks about the S.S. Seawise University in its program history. kevyn (talk) 21:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And, it seems SAS has since removed that piece of information from the brochure. *sigh* So much for verifiability using that source, now. kevyn (talk) 05:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should S.S. Seawise University be included? 

message: The history section is pretty much a list of disasters and problems. I think thats POV or just plain dumb.--Metallurgist (talk) 05:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it needs to be fleshed out, especially with more of the early history -- but POV? No, it's just stating facts.kevyn (talk) 01:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: There is no mention of the fees to participate, which would be a critical piece of information.  Given that the information is also difficult (impossible?) to find on the originating website, the value of that information is even higher.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.155.135.82 (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Info available here.  Not usually something we include in an article I think though.... Sailsbystars (talk) 19:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost? 

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