Talk:Music and politics

message: Made a start on this topic, which I'm sure could be expanded much further than my meagre knowledge allows. You will note it's currently quite Anglo-centric. --Lancevortex 19:03, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The last few sentences of this introduction are confusing, they should be edited and reworded to make the point a little more clear. Eileenkudera (talk) 21:26, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Start

message: I added a bit on the Soviet Union. --YixilTesiphon
Hey man your text on music in the Soviet Union is not really very accurate at all; I suggest you read Boris Schwarz's Music and Musical Life in Soviet Russia if you're interested in gaining a better understanding.
Shmackhead69 (talk) 01:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to edit it and make it better. ONEder Boy (talk) 21:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Soviet Union

message: This is possibly a good article topic, but we need to take care that we are not just presenting popular opinion as fact.  A discussion on this subject within an encyclopedia needs to include in-line sources to support the claims being made.  Currently that seems to be seriously lacking.  -MrFizyx 14:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs better sourcing 

message: I think this is an exciting article with a lot of information in it. I have a couple of suggestions, and since I am not an expert in "music and politics" I'd like to offer them here for a general discussion.
* I think this article needs an introductory section that traces out the theoretical framework for a discussion of music and politics. Basic questions that could be addressed include: How can music be political? What is the role of language in the relationship between music and politics?
* I think the section on New Musicology should be deleted. As it stands there is no connection to the topic whatsoever. Of course it would be possible to write about "politics and [of?] musicology" in this section. In this case the section should stay.
* I think the article should be restructered as follows:
:# Introduction
:# Discussion of genres
:## Folk music
:## Popular music
:## Classical music
:# Censorship of music
:# Music in the political process
:# [Politics and [of?] musicology]
:# See also
:# Further reading
:# External links
What do you think about these suggestions? Matthias Röder 14:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the addition of popular music as a section would be helpful and important, since the genre is just as influential in politics as the other genres listed. Eileenkudera (talk) 21:27, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: New structure and intro needed

message: I plan on nomininating this article for deletion, unless it's cleaned up and sources are added.  Right now this is one giant piece of original research. 11:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would this article fit better as a sub-category in the topical song article?  Just wondering. Geneisner (talk) 17:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Warning 

message: Althought pop music is known for staying away from politics, Madonna's American Life should be mentioned, as it's arguably the most political pop song there's ever been. Particulary with the original cut of the music video possibly being mentioning as well? -24.92.46.22 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop music 

message: This section could use a great deal of organization. 
I think there ought to be a distinction between nihilism/anarchism (e.g. Sex Pistols) and Marxism/socialism (e.g. The Clash). 
Also more needs to be said about punk rock's relationship to labor movements in the 70's and 80's, especially in the U.K.
Finally, I would suggest a more comprehensive/exclusive list of bands. I fail to see the political significance of sum 41, for example.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.70.83.34 (talk) 16:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punk Rock 

message: Cornelius Cardew has to be included in the UK summary... John Tilbury has now written the definitive book .... Matchless 2009
Szczels (talk) 19:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Classical music notes

message: Much to be unearthed here but to start with Eddie Prevost in the UK. Also the drummer John Stevens (drummer)
Szczels (talk) 19:20, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jazz

message: I know, shocking politically incorrect idea. But while this 'article' took great pains in pointing out how Rock music was used to showcase the evils of capitalism and racism in the United States (what wiki article doesn't??), those who actually lived under communism looked to rock in roll as a symbol of freedom of expression. Ironic, isn't it? Underground bands throughout the Soviet bloc belted out rock tunes in defiance of the state. I believe it was Václav Havel, former President of the Czech Republic, who stated that without Rock n Roll his generation would have had no hope for a better life while living under communist rule. He is one of the few world leaders who actually devoted his life to the study of rock music, that's how much of an impact it meant to him. While Arlo Guthrie was singing the praises of communism to red diaper babies throughout the United States, Václav Havel was listening to American and British rock bands in his attic so that the secret police wouldn't arrest him. Feel free to add more to this article if you wish, but I wouldn't want to hamper the drive to spread global communism. BTW, did you hear the latest? Rock n Roll actually originated in England. LOL! Why not. The Germans believe the US was the model for the Holocaust. LOL! More later, comrades.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioSmario (talk • contribs) 21:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock n Roll and anti-communist dissidents 

message: I am a college student in a Music in International Relations class and our assignments are based on contributing to Wikipedia articles related to the topic. My specific focus is American political folk music during the Cold War and how it was used to challenge the United States government. I chose to contribute to this article since there are many issues with citation, organization, and clarity so I am hoping to clean up at least the Folk Music portion of the article.
I have already begun adding sources to verify some of the claims made in this section, and I may also work with reorganizing some of the sentences to give the section more clarity and to put the folk music examples in a chronological order. As for my direct contributions in regard to the Cold War, I hope to include information about the folk revival and to establish the political climate of the time that called for a rise in folk music. I will also differentiate between instances where the music itself was political rather than when the artist in question had political motives, and perhaps what affect the political folk music had on the American population and their view of the government. Most of the information comes from books and articles that focus on political folk artists such as Aaron Copland, Pete Seeger, and Woodie Guthrie, so I will examine their role in influencing the population and the responses of the U.S. government as points of case studies. 
Any and all suggestions for these contributions are welcomed.
I am also currently a college student that is taking a Music in International Relations class and our current assignment is contributing to a Wikipedia article that is of our interest. All the simply plan to do is make a general addition of background information regarding folk music. There are many details explaining why it is significant in terms of the lyrics and perspective of the writer. Dates are presented that are applicable in efforts to gain an idea of when the time period was because folk music universally changed throughout history determining what was occurring during that time. But, in most instances, folk music transgressed during the period of war and people wanted to take a stand on their views. Most likely, I will initiate new paragraphs because the current paragraph is fairly large and news to have a few ideas flourished.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nordia19 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds great. One thing to watch for is too making things too US centric. See Wikipedia:Systemic bias for an overview of the problem and Irish rebel music for one example.--Salix (talk): 19:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folk Music 

message: The country section needs to be fixed. For one it doesn't mention how the political stances expressed by Merle Haggard within his music have changed over time. Secondly, it doesn't acknowledge the political music and activism of Johnny Cash, Kris Kristofferson, Steve Earle, Willie Nelson (all left-leaning and/or libertarian), Loretta Lynn (feminist), and Hank Williams, Jr. (conservative).
The country music section of this Wikipedia page does not talk about the depth of the influence it has made on politics. In my edit, I talked about the country artist rapper Cowboy Troy and how he influenced the way people saw politics in their minds. He influenced progressive ideas such as gender equality, white people being the “working” class, and the analysis over social classes. He also makes references to Barack Obama going against John McCain in the 2008 presidential race. I added two citations within my edit for where I found my information from, one being “Hidden in the Mix” and the other being “Playing Chicken with The Train”. Cowboy Troy wanted his audience to know how he felt about these ideas and relying them within his music gave others the opportunity to understand how he felt about certain issues, and this impacted conversations on political ideas. Sharmingaziani (talk) 00:00, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country Section 

message: Could somebody please add a Reggae section as reggae can be very politically driven at times (e.g. Tanya Stephens). Thanks, K. (talk) 13:28, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Reggae section

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:03, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: A good portion of the Hip Hop segment needs a rewrite. It seems the writers were trying too hard to find political meaning in songs that were apolitical. It is noted that these songs may also just be boasts, so why they continue to stay as examples is beyond me. There are pro-RTKBA hip hop songs (Sir Mix-A-Lot has done a few that come to mind) and those would perhaps be a better example. 
50.53.191.122 (talk) 23:38, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Hip Hop

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message: All of the information that has been edited does have a citation which makes the information reliable. 
The language in the edits made are neutral. She makes her edits based on facts that she has found from other resources.
The language written contain facts and things that the artists have stated on done without any input from my classmate's opinion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red2212 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
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