Talk:Legionella

message: All the Legionella sections are now too focused on Cooling towers!!  IT is not just cooling towers!! Certainly, cooling towers are one aspect of the infection path, but it is just out of the many sources of infection.
Also noted that in different parts of the world different types of Legionella are prevelant. For example in Western Australia infection by Legionella longbeachae originating from compost and soil is the most common form of infection - yet it seems someone deleted that part entirely.Hongkonger 07:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not just cooling towers 

message: The factory in Pas-de-Calais France that caused infection - the cooling towers were never certainly identified beyond any resonable doubt as the source.
Both the cooling towers, and the waste treatment ponds, and the remote site where the pond sludge was sourced tested positive for the same strain. Hence the imported sludge dumped into the waste treatment ponds was the primary source, distributed into the air causing secondary contamination of the cooling towers, etc.
And yes I am aware that the official report states the source was the cooling towers, but don't believe everything you read, otherwise in future others will not learn, and are all doomed to keep making the same mistakes over again. Hongkonger 07:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pas-de-Calais, France 

message: Noigel, you should not delete a major part of any article without first a thorough discussion on the Discussion page. Therefore, I have reverted your changes.  I know that you are very new to Wikipedia, but the pattern of behavior and your derogatory remarks about Wikipedia (on the Legionellosis discussion page) are going to get you blocked from Wikipedia if you do not change your attitude.
When you unilaterally made your unwarranted deletions on this article, you also removed the References section, which further messed up the article.  Legionella and Legionellosis are two separate articles and they both need to include the information on how to prevent and control cooling towers from becoming contaminated with the Legionella bacteria. - mbeychok 15:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted unwarranted and incorrect deletions made by Noigel2000

message: External links to patient support groups (especially online chat boards), blogs, and fundraising groups normally not accepted on Wikipedia.  Also, to prevent a proliferation of links, it's good to avoid more than one link to any website.  Please read the external links policy and the specific rules for medical articles before adding more external links.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I was trying to verify the growth/kill temperature ranges, but I was unable to find any really reputable sources (research papers), I have found only multiple web articles which most likely only quote information obtained somewhere else, without quoting a source. 
The temperature ranges quoted in the related article Legionellosis match the ranges I have provided, but are sourced as http://www.relianceworldwide.com/site/fs_main_home.htm, which does not provide any real information at all.
Similarly, the http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/iacl27.pdf cited here now does not seem to provide any temperature information at all. The link provided before as http://www.hse.gov.uk/legionnaires/ was not specific enough - there was no temperature at that page, only multiple documents linked, but even none of them does not seem to contain this information.
BIS Ondrej (talk) 09:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temperature 

message: I can't really understand what this section is trying to say, especially the second sentence. Please see more detailed comments below. Could someone who understand the subject please tidy it up?
The text in normal type is the text from the article. My comments are in italics.
Industrial-size
what does "industrial-size mean here? Can ionisation have a size?
 copper-silver ionization is recognized by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and WHO for Legionella control and prevention. 
The next sentence makes no sense to me.
When copper and silver ions maintained, when taking into account both water flow and overall water usage, the disinfection function within all of a facilities water distribution network will occur within 30 to 45 days. 
The detail in the following text seems unnecessary and out of place to me. And if these are "but a few" the required features, then surely this requires a separate article on the subject and should be deleted.
Key engineering features such as 10 amps per ion chamber cell and automated variable voltage outputs having no less than 0–100 VDC are but a few of the required features for proper Legionella control and prevention. Swimming pool ion generators are not engineered for facility potable water Legionella control and prevention.
Just for good measure, the last sentence is not gramatically correct ("facility potable water").
Marchino61 (talk) 07:07, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused by Copper-Silver Ionisation. 

message: I haven't checked on this in a few years (sorry) the very first line has been changed and it obviously incorrect, LpS1 causes either LD or Pontiac fever, L. Longbeachae Sp1 and 2 is the same as LpS1 but the source of bacteria is not aqueous it is found in compost/dust. In fact in 2012 there was a number of L. Longbeachae cases in scotland 
Hongkonger (talk) 16:38, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full of errors 

message: Substituted at 21:50, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The section on Detection refers to "... inoculation onto a charcoal yeast extract agar containing antibiotics (e.g. glycine, vancomycin, polymixin, cyclohexamide, GVPC) ..."
I'm reasonably sure the amino acid glycine is not an antibiotic. Was another word meant here, or is this a very strange error?
IAmNitpicking (talk) 21:31, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Though not your classic antibiotic, glycine is correct here.  Glycine at high concentrations inhibits the growth of many types of bacteria.  See this paper  for a proposed mechanism.  CatPath (talk) 22:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glycine is an antibiotic? 

message: Section  yesterday read:
Chlorine dioxide is not a restricted heavy metal like copper. It has proven excellent control of Legionella in cold and hot water systems and its ability as a biocide is not affected by pH, or any water corrosion inhibitors such as silica or phosphate. However, it is 'quenched' by metal oxides, especially manganese and iron. Metal oxide concentrations above 0.5 mg/l may inhibit its activity.<Australian Drinking Water Guidelines>
Seems that somebody intended to cite the "Australian Drinking Water Guidelines".  However, this information ("metal oxide") was not found in the Australian government publication "AUSTRALIAN DRINKING WATER GUIDELINES 6 - 2011 - VERSION 3.4 - UPDATED OCTOBER 2017" , retrieved today (31 July 2018).  So I've marked this passage , and suppressed the text "<Australian Drinking Water Guidelines>".  Does anybody have a useful reference to support the quoted statements about "metal oxides, especially manganese and iron"?  yoyo (talk) 18:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chlorine dioxide 

message: In the third paragraph, is a direct copy from a textbook. I have reworded it here in an attempt to avoid any issues. If someone else would like to take a look at it, as I am new to editing Wikipedia.
Original:
The side chains of the cell wall carry the bases responsible for the somatic antigen specificity of these organisms. The chemical composition of these side chains both with respect to components and arrangement of the different sugars determines the nature of the somatic or O antigen determinants, which are essential means of serologically classifying many Gram-negative bacteria.
My Edit:
The somatic antigen specificity of Legionella is determined by the side chains present on the cell walls. The nature of the O antigen polysaccharide chain is determined both by the arrangement, and composition of different sugar molecules. This composition is used in the classification of many Gram-Negative bacteria. 
Here is the original source with the original copied part highlighted
Microbes: Concepts and Applications
Liam.lah (talk) 04:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing plagiarism