Talk:List of Gargoyles characters

message: Corrected some info on Demona's past. --Kevin Walter 18:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted the previous edit. Though Demona did claim that she was frozen in stone at her own request during the episode Awakening, this was a lie. The true story was revealed in the episode City of Stone. She was not frozen, but rather survived due to a magical pact between herself, Macbeth, and the Weird Sisters. -- Supermorff 19:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: My mistake, thanks. I'll have to get my hands on a copy of those DVDs. :-) --Kevin Walter 04:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems like the perfect opportunity to plug the DVDs (save the franchise!), but it's just not in me. Maybe later. -- Supermorff 18:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Demona

message: An anonymous user has repeatedly been adding characters to this list that have never appeared in any episode of the television series, and only appeared in the fanfiction continuation called "The Gargoyles Saga". Such characters do not belong in this list.-- Supermorff 20:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the use of "gargbeasts" needs to be removed. This is a fanfic term such as Immies for Immortals in the Highlander Sagas. This may be another change from the fanfiction author.68.47.170.239 (talk) 01:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Gargoyles Saga

message: Can we please move the magic objects section to a new article? One that doesn't have "characters" in the title? I don't know what to call it. Maybe "Magic in Gargoyles" or, to keep in line with the recent "places" article, "Magic in Disney's Gargoyles"? Something. And does anyone have a picture of the Eye of Odin on its own, not being worn as a necklace? The Grimorum too, for that matter. -- Supermorff 21:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Magic objects

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message: Several of the articles on the principal characters have been suggested for merger. I think this is contrary to the way practice at Wikipedia  seems to be developing--the principal characters should have separate articles. It would, however, be a good idea  to   improve them. At the very least, sources to where the descriptive information is taken from the appearances in the work is necessary.  01:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion of merger

message: What's missing is a note of Alexander Xanatos.  Also, I believe there should be an entry
for Puck's illusion of the future from Goliath's perspective, including an adult Alexander.
Newwjakk (talk) 23:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section for Alexander Xanatos. 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a  
Merge Proposal and / or Redirect. 
Please do not modify it. </br> 
The result of the request for the Proposed Merger of Gargoyle universe character articles into this talk page's article was: 
Consensus Reached–Awaiting Merge NOTE: Closing a long standing / stale proposal whose consensus is to merge due to notability issues.  (Those against the merge cite little policy to support position and promises to add additional third party sources have not happened.)  Should be done based on a case-by-case basis.  I re-installed the old merge request tags so the articles are back in their rightful place in the backlogged que.  In the meantime, bold merger(s) (based on the above) would be allowed.</br>—     —     —     —     —
I come with this proposal to merge all individual articles into this list. This is primarily because none of the characters, including the main ones, have managed to prove notability outside the Gargoyles series. With this, I mean that none of them have received deep coverage by reliable secondary sources, discussing the characters independently from the series itself. Also, none of them have impact in popular culture nor have become cultural icons like Darth Vader, Homer Simpson or Mickey Mouse. --LoЯd ۞pεth 19:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Against, same arguments than in the discussion above. Moreover, in my opinion the article is already very long.--Crazy runner (talk) 20:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Support, for the proposed reasons. If the article is too long, there is a fair amount of fancruft that could be excised. There's already an excellent fan site out there... And it seems to be nearly the only citation available on the topic, which doesn't bode well for the notability of this article. If this article is on shaky ground, the others are really in trouble.  // ⌘macwhiz (talk) 21:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Against, I could see merging characters who've barely appeared, but since we're talking about characters/groups who appeared frequently, I think merging them here is hasty.  Besides, a good portion of citations have been sourced to episodes of the show and the comic.  So insisting that the fan site is the only source of info is a bit of an exaggeration. Antiyonder (talk) 21:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the stuff is unsupported by third person information and non of the people have provided any information to justify the way the way things are. Dwanyewest (talk) 01:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Case-by-case decision IMHO. Goliath, Eliza, Demona, and Xanatos are main characters, and main characters often have their own articles, the rest of the stuff can be merged. -- Imladros (talk) 16:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also need to add that the info comes from the cartoon, the comic and the person who had a heavy creative hand in the series as a whole.  I'd think that an official supervising producer would be credible without question.  Antiyonder (talk) 03:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I support the person above me, also Elisa now has 1 reception (and needs more, but I'm not sure where it could be found - besides the books, of course). --Barry Sandwich (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Why? Wikipedia doesn't use votes, so just saying "for" or "against" won't really affect things. — Mr. Stradivarius (drop me a line) 07:35, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Support Goliath (Gargoyles), Manhattan Clan, David Xanatos, Demona, Hunter (Gargoyles), Macbeth (Gargoyles), Oberon's children, Pack (Gargoyles). Wikipedia is not a place for plot summaries and "powers and abilities". Articles must satisfy the notability guideline by being significantly covered in reliable sources. If the subject isn't covered in reliable sources, move it to Wikia or something. Merge these articles after cutting most of it. Articles should be able to be read by people who don't know anything about the series and are trying to get and overall perspective. On the fence Elisa Maza. They have some good sources, and just need a few more. Blake (Talk·Edits) 15:13, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Against.I am working on showing coverage in news and other sources for the different articles but a lot of the newspaper articles etc arent easily available online as the height of the series was pre a lot of newspapers having websites.RafikiSykes (talk) 17:10, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am adding a good bit more showing Goliath's outside notability. EG his use in library posters encouraging reading related to his being portrayed as a gentle giant/ well read character. Also notable enough to be mentioned on the UN website when talking keith davids main claim to fame so added that as well.RafikiSykes (talk)
*Merge - Lack of sources to confirm notability. But like others have stated, we should go by a case by case basis. The list itself needs trimming as well--GroovySandwich 19:46, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Can we look at each article individually on their talk pages as they are in varying states and would be better discussed in each one in turn? Also that way it will be quicker and easier to add in improvements. The Elisa article is improving and a little more sourcing for example.RafikiSykes (talk) 22:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Elisa Maza I shall remove as it has got sources to justify a solo article although I feel she needs a character inbox rather than a comic book inbox. I still believe the likes of Oberon's children and Gargoyle clan should be merged. Dwanyewest (talk) 10:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: Manhattan Clan, Hunter (Gargoyles), Pack (Gargoyles),  Macbeth (Gargoyles),  Oberon's children should be merged to this page any thoughts?Dwanyewest (talk) 20:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Merger proposal