Talk:1998–2002 Argentine great depression

message: :(kept for reference, now solved)
Please see the discussion about the effect of convertibility on exports at December 2001 riots (Argentina). Maybe it should be moved here... The issue is:
:What role played the low fixed exchange rate in the evolution of exports, imports and the trade balance? By implication, what about de-industrialization?
This page says at present that the 1:1 peso-dollar rate made imports cheap and exports uncompetitive. This has been contested. Reputable sources and analyses are needed in order to explain the matter in a less generalizing and possibly inaccurate way.
--Pablo D. Flores 15:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion about exports 

message: Quote from the article: "They created a new form of protest, known as cacerolazo (banging pots and pans)."
I don't think that this was new, although the word used to describe it may have been.  This is from having read Alistair Horne's book on the subject of Salvador Allende's period in power in Chile in the early 1970s:
Horn, A. Small Earthquake in Chile, Papermac, 1990. .  p337: 
"During Castro's visit in the end of 1971, thousands of middle-class women demonstrated angrily in Santiago, beating empty saucepans as a protest against the foot [sic] shortages (plate 40)"
Plate 40 shows exactly that, with the caption "The women of Chile disagree: The 'saucepan riots' of December 1971"
LancsNeil 16:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I'm going to change that sentence right now. Brian Z 22:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cacerolazo not new? 

message: I am not an economist, so perhaps it is me, but I find it hard to work out from this section what the criticisms of the IMF have been. I understand there have been heavy criticisms levelled against the IMF and I was hoping to read what they were and what the counter-arguments were.  All I read here is that an IMF committee allegedly had some un-specified criticisms that they decided to tone down - and they also made vague statement about "informative manipulation" (what? by whom).
I would like to see more hard detail on this.
Sam 14:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism of the IMF 

message: That 450,000 figure is outrageous. It is completely false and unsubstantiated by any official data or studies, except by the 'research' of one lonely agronomist (which should be added, surely has a political agenda). I'm a quite frankly tired of reading these kinds of claims as encyclopedic FACTS. I highly doubt 450,000 people have died in Haiti of hunger in that same period. It is also good to point out that in no other Latin American country article does it talk about such a number of people dying of hunger, and most of those countries are significantly more impovirished. I was quite tempted to just delete that entire entry, but I will wait for opinions on this. 
Let's make it clear: saying someone dies of hunger, means they died DIRECTLY from maltutrition, and not from complications from lack of proper nutrition (which could be what it is attempted to be conveyed by such figure), but even so it appears a gross exageration and lacking in multiple sources to corroborate, which I think would be required for such a significant statement to be made. Since when is one study by one man or a 'thinktank' (which by their very nature have an ideological agenda), used as encyclopedic data? I believe it should be discarded. The dugout 17:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effect of Wealth Distribution 

message: Data should at least go back to 1990, in order to show the evolution of the indexes into the crisis, and not only the recovery.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.177.194.204 (talk) 19:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effect of Wealth Distribution Table 

message: "By the end of the military government the country's industries were severely affected and unemployment, calculated at 18% (though official figures claimed 5%), was at its highest point since the depression." The figure 18% needs support. As far as I know that figure is quite excessive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andruchoandrucho (talk • contribs) 20:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  on unemployment figures 

message: I just removed a mention to chile tourism balance. To start with, there is no source, and to follow, Chile is a largely irrelevant player in argentine politics and economics. It seems like Chilean users are constantly adding mentions to their country in Argentine articles where there is no need nor relevace. Please protect the articles from this slight form of vandalism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.19.151.146 (talk) 15:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chile Mention 

message: The article had very little information about the events between the beginning of the recession in 1998 and the unrest of December 2001. 
I am not Argentinean and I have not experienced any of those events first hand, but I tried to expand it as best I could, using information from Western newspapers that I could find using news.google.com. 
There are a few things that need to be addressed.
* The statement that the IMF was the primary driver behind the early austerity efforts is poorly sourced. It seems to be quite evident that it was the case (look at all the talk about fiscal consolidation in the memorandum of economic policies), but I couldn't find any good quotes supporting this. I found one site that claimed that, before the 1999 election, IMF promised Argentina a $10 billion loan which was conditional on implementing austerity programs. But that source was somewhat questionable (Socialist web site) and I couldn't find any independent confirmations of that statement either. 
* There are a few articles claiming that the Argentine government was trying to implement a public works / fiscal stimulus program in December 2000. I couldn't find any subsequent references to that program. Was it implemented or was it killed by the IMF?
* The IMF points the blame partly towards attempts of the Argentine government to mess with its currency in early 2001 by considering a switch from the dollar peg to the mixed dollar/euro peg. That needs to be sourced and expanded. --Itinerant1 (talk) 11:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Will try to find the references you request on local newspapers. There are plenty of articles on the matter. BTW, thanks for your contributions.--Jetstreamer (talk) 14:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1999-2001 events 

message: The lead paragraph ought to present the major hypotheses as to the cause of the crisis with the benefit of hindsight, supported by the voluminous academic work since the events, not the opinion journalist (whatever his qualities may be, as a journalist) gleaned in a 2001 interview:
:In a 2001 interview, journalist Peter Katel identified three very serious crises that converged at "the worst possible time" in his explanation for why the Argentinian economy unraveled in the manner that it did, at the time that it did  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lip gloss for2 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead paragraph 

message: This is probably legacy(Lihaas (talk) 18:46, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: I have tagged the reference in the paragraph in the Recovery section which begins, "Argentina's recovery suffered a minor setback in 2004 when rising industrial demand caused a short-lived energy crisis" as being . This link is to the main page of the Ministry of Economy and Public Finance (Ministerio de Economía y Finanzas Públicas), a Spanish-language government website; there is no link to a specific article, press release, or other document to verify the claims. My Spanish is too poor to navigate the site and find the appropriate citation.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 08:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation not specific 

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