Talk:Shawn Michaels/Archive 1

message: I don't think HBK is 6 ft 1 in. More like 6 ft 0 in? Any comments?(Halbared 10:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: no, its "ck". I thought it was "gg" for a while too because it was mis-spelled like that in "Unscripted", but in his book (and everywhere else I've seen it, it's spelled with a "ck". Katie 22:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vitalstatistics

message: The following was entered by an anon. whose other edit was a hoax: "And with regard to his previous association with the group D-Generation X (DX) and their raunchy language and behavior, Shawn Michaels has given up such behavior and refrained from sexual innuendo and cursing on RAW. This, because, of his Christian conversion." --Wetman 10:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad grammar aside, this is true. --Chrysaor 05:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read Here (Has the facts and is a real good real aswell) http://www.wwe.com/superstars/dgenerationx/dxretrospective SKRIBUL 20:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hoax?

message: I think things would be clearer referring to Sherri Martel as Sherri instead of Martel. The latter makes me, and I suspect others, think more of Rick Martel.
GalaxiaGuy 20:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. WWF never used her last name after the 80's.  SilentRage 04:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sherri Martel 

message: *"I'm the showstopper, the headliner, the main event, the icon!"
*"When I go down, I'm takin' everybody with me, and I'm going out in a blaze of glory!"
*"The Heartbreak Kid lays down for absolutely nobody!"
*"The Heartbreak Kid can keep it up all night!"
*"Kicking it with the kliq."
*"I am simply the greatest Sports Entertainer in the world!"
*"D-Generation X rules the wrestling world!"
*"I am going to give you a show that you have never ever seen before. Why?... because I can."
*"D-Generation X! You make the rules, we break em!"
*"I did not sleep with that young intern. As a matter of fact, I was up all night!" (This was a mockery of Bill Clinton's scandal with Monica Lewinsky)
*"Whatcha Gonna Do Brother...When Reality Kicks You In The Face" (A Mockery to Hulk Hogan).
*"Whatcha gonna do when the Heartbreak Kid won't lay down for you" (Another mockery to Hogan)
*"If you hear a rumor about Shawn Michaels then its GOT to be true. "
*"If I had a dollar for everytime a stiff like you threatened to take me out, I'd be a millionaire. Wait, I am a millionaire and it’s because of stiffs like you. "
*"Don't hunt what you can't kill. "
*"You know, for someone who talks about being screwed all the time you sure do complain a lot. "
*"Bret, I screwed you once, and I'd do it again"
*"Shawn is gay? Shawn is not gay. Why don't you go ask your mama if Shawn is gay. "
*"Now Ken, I'm gonna give you this microphone and let's see if you can try to put a couple of words together. We call that a sentence, Ken. "
*"Nobody knows Canada, like I nose Canada. "
*"It has been just an amazingly humbling experience for me to have these men & women come up & think that we’re something special. When everybody knows that they are the real deal, they’re the heroes." (Talking about the US Military)
: Please verify and transwiki these over to Wikiquote. Hall Monitor 19:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Excessive list of quotes

message: Shawn Michaels began his career in Texas, and for a time competed in World Class Championship Wrestling, as well as Texas All-Star and Southwest Championship Wrestling. Chris Adams was wrestling in all of these federations, and I will check to see if these two ever faced each other; but in any event, Shawn was amazed at the abilities Chris had as well as his finisher, the superkick. So Shawn studied the manuever, but did not really begin using it until after joining the WWF. Marty Jannetty also used the superkick as well. Once Shawn became famous, he would nickname his superkick "Sweet Chin Music". See the article "Superkick" for details, and also check out www.thesuperkick.net.
It was after Shawn superkicked his fellow Rocker member (forgot his name) through a store window that he started calling it Sweet Chin Music. On a side note, this was also when he got the nickname HBK. (Sawyer 21:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sweet Chin Music origins

message: Lets dissect the points:
#"He calls himself "The showstopper, the icon, the headliner, the main event." -Lets face it, these may be his words, but they really don't fit well with an encyclopedia introduction. In fact it's in the Nicknames section .
#Throughout his continuing career, he has been known for many of his legendary Pay-per-view matches. True, but it's better explained in the actual article itself, rather than a short blurb.
#Shawn Michaels was the first wrestler to be in a ladder match, Iron Man Match, Hell In A Cell, and the Elimination Chamber Match. -Mentioned, mentioned, mentioned, and false. (He was in the first one, but ot the first man to compete. RVD and Triple H were).
#While in the process of carrying World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) from 1995 through 1997, he became the first wrestler to win every major title in WWE history, also known as the Grand Slam Champion. Carrying? Little POV for my tastes, but he was one of the main draws, I can't argue. The point about the Grand Slam champion is mentioned in the Titles sectoin.
#Shawn Michaels was also one of the most controvertic(sic) wrestlers ever with things like D-Generation X, his in-ring gestures and speech, No mention of X-Pac? Seriously though, it's mentioned in this section.
#and with the Montreal Screwjob, which contained his most famous rival on and behind the scenes, with the legendary Bret Hart. -Mentioned here, there, and everywhere.
#Shawn Michaels is considered one of the greatest in-ring performers ever.-It's a good point, but POV. Not everyone likes Michaels.
In honesty, I do not agree with including it because the information is redundant, and the summary itself is very lacking, and seems more like the introduction to a high school essay, rather than an encyclopedia.--Toffile 04:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Legendary", "carrying WWE" and "greatest" are all pov junk. Moreover, Michaels was not the first wrestler to be in a ladder match; the match was used in Calgary before Bret Hart brought it to the WWE. PhaseDMA, you have already broken the 3 revert rule. If you don't like the removal of the paragraph then take it up at requests for comment. McPhail 17:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: As a note, I see no mention of legendary, icon, etc. in the trivia section. In the nicknames section? Yes. They are nicknames he's uses or used. I don't agree with most of the introduction because it's mostly redundant repeating lines that are used in the article itself. If you want to expand it and actually give a basic overview of his career such as the one on Triple H, go ahead. I'm working on a couple of other things right now. The introduction in the version you prefer isn't a good summary, and it seems like it's more hype than actual facts. --Toffile 01:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Fair enough. I think a little of it is POV (though I do like Micheals), but my main problem is with the way it's written and how most of the information seems to be copied line from line from other parts of the text. There were only really 2 lines that had a little POV problems, and it's a bit POV to say he was the only one carrying the company. The other one is an opinion, but it's somewhat widely held that he is one of the best wrestlers.--Toffile 13:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: That doesn't sound too bad. If I get a chance, I'd try getting a hand at rewriting it. Right now, I'm still in limbo waiting for some more feedback at the match types page. (Which is the PW page in most desparate need of reorganinizing) --Toffile 19:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons on trimming intro. 

message: Does anyone else think all these fan sites are way over done? IMO in order to have a fan site on the wikipedia article it should actually have (unique) content AND be designed well.
Anyone and everyone shouldn't be allowed to have a link to their fan site.--Anthony 01:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: m:External Links seems to suggest what you're saying. Looking at those 3 links...they probably shoould get removed. Let me go check to see how some of the other pages have it though.--Toffile 13:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I just removed one. When I went to the linked site, his only proof was linking to this article.  SilentRage 04:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: I've done some cleanup to end the "here's what HBK did this week" blather that comprised much too much of this page. Let's avoid play-by-play in the future. Just because something happens does not mean it belongs in Wikipedia. Bcarlson33 21:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to agree, and disagree. If HBK did it, it should be allowed, yes. But, allowed and included isn't the same. First, this is an article in an encyclopedia. At least partly, that should mean that it's about what HAPPENED, not what HAPPENS. And second, if we reach play-by-play status, this article will be the size of the african continent in short order.  DannyBoy2k 00:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Play by Play 

message: I heard a rumor that Shawn is not going to attend this years Hall of Fame ceremony because Bret Hart is going to be there. Is this true? Just wondering. User:MgTurtle
: I think Wade Keller answers questions like yours on pwtorch.com. Probably more likely to get answers there than from us Wikipedia goofs :) Bcarlson33 03:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hall of Fame? 

message: Does anyone have a source that says Shawn and Rebecca are having a third child this year? I can't find anything. Thanks.
: I had read a few things about that and assumed that they were true, but when she was shown at Wrestlemania after Shawn's match and with him at the Hall of Fame ceremony, it became obvious to me that they were (most likely)false. If she is pregnant, she is very, very early! Katiedid 19:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third child? 

message: Yes, there is "official" speculation that "old" Shawn is returning. But that one sentence tidbit does not merit an entirely new section in this article. Let this play out some more, it will soon become clear if this means anything. Shawn's heel turn against Hogan seemed significant, too, and it ended the second Summerslam was over. Bcarlson33 03:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Return of DX? 

message: If you go the the Saskatoon, Saskatchewan page, you will see that Shawn Michaels is listed as a notable Saskatonian under the heading "Notable Saskatonians." I have never read an article where it said that Michaels was raised or lived for a time in Saskatoon. I would like concerte evidence supporting for or against that he was raised or lived in Saskatoon. fishhead2100 April 30, 2006 11:49PM (UTC)
:Not to say he lived or didn't live in that city, but his father being in the military I for one wouldn't be suprised if he lived there for a certain amount of time.--Anthony 01:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shawn Michaels a notable Saskatonian? 

message: I heard a rumor that HBK got attacked recently can anyone confirm this or has more evidence on it> From what i know it sounds legit--army 06:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HBK attacked 

message: There is a guy who has completely taken over the article section of the Shawn Michaels (HBK) entry & it's really starting to get old. No matter what is written no matter how well, he writes something completely new. Another thing about this guy is he is always speculating about what will happen & it's not true fact. First he tried to claim Michaels was retiring now he's saying DX is coming back. Even if one or the other is true (& we can all hope for a new DX as that would be great) would this guy give speculation a break? His thoughts were that the McMahon feud was over Michaels' decision to retire. This is not true & is pure speculation as I have told him numerous times. Could he stop being such a hog of the article? I had an excellent play by play of the Saturday Night's Main Event that was expanded on from an article from wwe.com along with other great insider information straight from wwe.com & he deliberately removed it & continues to. What a crock. Another thing he does is completely ignore critical parts of the story. For example on May 22nd Michaels' sustained a severe attack to his knee & now needs surgery. He will miss action. I just added that information to the article. I removed his speculation that Michaels' will return by his 'supposed' DX reunion date. This guy didn't talk about the chair hit in the process of a kick, the tearing of his uniform, the removal of his knee brace, and the high flying that a Spirit Squad member did into his knee while it was stuck through a folded chair. I know this sounds like I'm whining but seriously I've been a Michaels' fan for nearly 17 years & know a couple things.
: History shows that the above comment was submitted by anonymous user 72.234.229.61. Please remember to sign your comments. That said, let's just cool off here a little bit. Now I don't know who is editing your submissions (it's not me), but I'm sure whomever he or she is means well. I'm sure he's just trying to consolodate the article and make it a good Wikipedia entry, not a full blow-by-blow recap as some of us do out of enthusiasm or for whatever reason (yeah, I'm guilty of it too sometimes). If you think this may be the result of a vandal, then you probably should take it up with either an administrator or on the contributor's talk page. Just keep up the good work - and hey, keep a level head out there, whydoncha? [[Briguy52748 14:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 72.234.229.61 (again, you've got to sign your comments — just use four tildes (~) to do so). Anyhow, if you're getting a warning for self-reverts, then you've got to take that up with an administrator. Second, again, I think what some editors are looking for is an encyclopedia entry, not a weekly recap (which should be saved for fanpages elsewhere on the Web). Perhaps if something major comes up in the Michaels/DX/McMahon feud storyline, then you can add it and give it the proper emphasis; admittedly, though, that is a judgement call. But it takes thinking about what is important and whether it will add to Wikipedia or make this article the confusing mess that it is. [[Briguy52748 13:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added a frequent target tag at the top of this discussion page; even though it appears there has been some cleanup of the article, we all need to be careful about future additions/edits. [[Briguy52748 13:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't need to sign. Someone has control of the article & I won't waste my time with it. I had put what was important not a play by play but you just don't understand.
Always best to assume good faith, guys. Fatjabba 15:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  article discussion 

message: K how the hell do we know that D-X is really coming back at Vengeance? For all we know, the arena could have put that up to sell more tickets.--Killswitch Engage 03:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  D-X 

message: I reverted the change in image that was made by Mike kelly09. The free use image isn't perfect, but it's of good quality. Free use images are favored over fair use ones. There is at least one other picture showing his face found later in the article. --Jtalledo (talk) 02:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox picture 

message: WWE has a rumor that Shawn Michaels that he is going to retire from wrestling in 2008.--66.141.168.110 22:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on Page 

message: It would be nice if people dont start posting every news of Shawn Michaels they hear of Dave Meltzer. Ex: Shawn Michaels is not happy with the current DX storyline because of his religion.....
Although this is true, but there is no need for it to be placed on Wikipedia. A certain level of Kayfabe must be maintained. - DME
:I agree. June-gloom 08:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: News and rumours

message: What I have added is not a week-by-week, just a small summary of what they have done. So quit deleting it. Just like the section of the old DX. that has some examples doesnt it?
Mike kelly09
It's non notable. Michael's is a long article, and adding a few things that have happened on one or two episodes or Raw shouldn't be added. if the D-X thing turns out to be a big thing thru the year, then yeah. But the examples you put are too much, and it's written in kafyabe. None encyclopaedic. And right now, it does look as a week-by-week.(Halbared 22:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what Mike Kelly did covered it aptly. But there shouldn't be notice of upcoming matches.(Halbared 10:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Future matches are not added to the entries. Have you read the disclaimer?(Halbared 10:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DX info

message: Okay. This has got to stop. This article has had a lot of pictures used for the infobox - pics of his face, pics without his face, fair use and free, action pics, even a picture of him putting a sharpshooter on Bret Hart. We have to choose a picture and stick with it. I don't care if it's free or not, although it would be nice if it was and it would be in line with policy. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war over picture 

message: I don't agree that Bret didn't want to lose the title in Canada. Shawn Michaels has a history of not wanting to put guys over unless they were buddies like Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. He wouldn't let Vader beat him. Want a source? It might be a little biased, but it's a source.  He actually told Bret that he wouldn't put Bret over after Bret told him he would put Shawn over for the good of the business, in spite of their personal hatred for each other. Click here and go to September 22, 1997. Again, it might be biased, but it's a source. 64.241.230.3 12:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Montreal Screwjob

message: The picture is horrendous and must be changed for the good of this article. I clicked a link on an un-related page and my brother who was watching over my shoulder thought it had directed to the wrong place. This looks NOTHING like the person in question and doesn't show him in a true light. His face is obscured by his sunglasses and he is pulling a strange face. Somebody has a better image than this that shows people what he actually looks like, so they need to upload that instead. From this image, people will think Shawn and Rob Van Dam are the same person. Mr.bonus 19:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The current main picture 

message: Can someone explain why the 411Mania.com 2005 Match of the Year award was deleted?  1) It seemed relevant to his career.  2) The site is one of, if not the, top independent wrestling site on the internet.  3) Here is the source http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/37550/The-411%5C%5Cs:-2005-Year-End-Wrestling-Awards.htm
I like the idea myself.  The interesting part of this could be that if every source (PWI, Wrestling Online, and WWE are the currrent major ones listed) that chose any of Shawn's matches as MOTYs were listed, his 'pedia would be an awfully long one.  Smobro68 09:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  411Mania MOTY Award Deletion 

message: Quote: Michaels is the longest member of the WWE (that is still on the active roster), having been with the promotion since 1987 (although he was out between 1998 to 2002). This outnumbers The Undertaker, who debuted in 1990, and Hardcore Holly, who started out in 1994 as Sparky Plugg.
Michaels was still getting paid during his injury, appearing on TV, and appearing for autographs and such (amoung whatever else he may or may not have been doing).  I would say he has been with the company from 1987-present...  With out any side comments.
That aside I highly doubt he has been with the company the longest (:cough: agents :cough:).  But as far as wrestlers?  I'm sure he is the most active wrestler currently wrestling.--Anthony 03:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I deleted it, since it was redundant anyways; see the second sentence (!) of the article. Heh. June-gloom 11:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a factual and important comment in the intro about his being one of the longest performing wrestlers in WWE, joining in 1987, making his time with them about 16 years as of 2007, because of the 4 year hiatus. Why has this been reverted? -- Kevin Browning 01:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't need to know the number of years as of the current year. People can figure out the math on their own. Wikipedia isn't dumber down. --  Mikedk9109  (hit me up) SIGN 01:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, people can figure it out, but stating it plainly clarifies and emphasizes the point of his long tenure with the company. -- Kevin Browning 07:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time with company 

message: Follow the rules, please. "Do not edit other user's comments." June-gloom 23:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF? 

message: "After a much-hyped but ultimately disappointing feud with Curt Hennig, Michaels quit the WWF in September 1993. It was announced that Michaels had failed to defend his belt enough times during a set period; in reality, he had been suspended for testing positive for steroids — a charge that Michaels denies to this day." any source??? Cause i don't bellive it. Emilos 18:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for Steroid Use Wanted 

message: HBK never rejoined DX at the end of '98 (or was it the beginning of '99?) Anyways he rejoined on Raw and then DX turned on him later that night. In the parking lot he got thrown through a car windshield by Triple H leaving him bloodied and injured. This was the reason given for his long absencse afterwards. Someone look up the exact details because this was such a long time ago it is pretty blury in my mind. Toom of the boom 13:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I renamed the subsection, as it was annoying me. If you want to put it back I won't stop you. Cheers, -- THL 06:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was annoying me too. You beat me to it Hyrid. --  Mikedk9109  (hit me up)  21:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction 

message: Will HBK ever be WWE Champ again? The whole Cena & Umaga thing is very boring. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.21.121 (talk) 05:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only as much as it stopped him in 2002.  Now his back problems on the other hand.  That might stop him.--Anthony 00:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE Champion 

message: Someone wrote in big font "Bradley is here, suck it beeches!" in the middle of the article. Perhaps we should semi-protect the article for a while. -- Kevin Browning 01:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is vandalized quite alot. Some anon keeps adding in fake name moves. I always have to revert it. --  Mikedk9109  (hit me up)  21:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, then lets get them blocked ASAP. -- The Hybrid 05:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Cause they didn't  Gdfanatic21594 02:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism. 

message: I have added NPOV statements about Michaels' length of employment with WWE in the introduction. From the already present information stating that he joined WWE in 1987 and took a break from 1998-2002, I said that he has been in WWE about 16 years. Why was this deleted? -- Kevin Browning 05:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look in the above section of this talk page titled "time with company". You asked the same question up there, and I answered it up there. --  Mikedk9109  (hit me up) SIGN 21:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't see that, I've replied there now. -- Kevin Browning 07:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts. 

message: I've heard on multiple wrestling pages and forums that Michaels intends to retire this year, and that he's asked the company for a final title reign (wich it'll be widely recognized that he deserves). Such also seems to be the case of Mark Calaway (The Undertaker) and Ric Flair. Has anyone else heard anything like this? If so, could anyone find a truly reliable source to confirm it? Vicius 05:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement and final reign? =

message: I believe that you need to seriously keep Shawn's performance at the 2007 Rumble in there. It's not week by week; there were about two weeks BEFORE that date. If you take this out, why just not take the rest of his Rumble performances out of his bio...rather idiotic I think.
He didn't win, so it isn't notable. If he won, like the other rumbles, then it is notable. Simple, -- The Hybrid 23:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With respect I would tend to disagree.  I would say that unless he wins another Rumble in the future coming within 1 person of being only the 2nd person to win 3 Rumbles would in fact be encyclopedic.--Anthony 04:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a short mention of it in the trivia section saying it exactly like that would be OK, but it is really pushing it. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 04:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  I'd argue that it could be mentioned _if_ it becomes a notable event as a result of other events that are still to happen (for example, if it were to lead to a lengthy feud with Undertaker, it could be noted as the starting point), but the detail of it is already recorded in the Royal Rumble (2007) article, which is the important thing as far as the notability of the performance with respect to the Rumble Match is concerned.  At the moment, the greatest relevance to note from the match would be that Michaels continued his feud with Rated RKO by eliminating both of them in making the final two, so perhaps it could be included in the context of that feud, rather than as a separate (as yet not especially) notable event in itself?  --Dave. 21:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going ot have to agree with Hybrid on this one. Shawn didn't win the Rumble. Just because he lasted longer with Taker than any other final two isn't really encylopedic (at least on this article). Info like that should go on the Royal Rumble page. Also, The amount of information about the Rated-RKO feud that is in their now is really unneeded. —mikedk9109SIGN 22:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The Royal Rumble itself wasn't instrumental on his career, as it was just another loss. The match the next night was instrumental, I agree, but the RR itself wasn't. 声援 -- The Hybrid 04:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Didn't finishing 2nd (first for RAW) make him the #1 contender?  Last time I checked you needed that status to wrestle the Champion and he wasn't before the Royal Rumble.--Anthony 14:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, runner up doesn't get anything. He only got a title shot because Undertaker didn't choose the WWE Championship, leaving Cena with no opponent for WM. TJ Spyke 05:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why dont you just dismmiss HBK's other Rumble performances?

message: HBK didn't do anything last night, therefore, he didn't turn heel. He isn't going to be getting heat from the fans anytime soon, first because he's riding the DX buzz and now he's Cena's tag team partner. Even if he gets a title shot at Wrestlemania, it will be a face vs. face feud. So it isn't worth adding. User:Saget53 21:47, 30 January 2007
Shouldnt it be added that he turned heel on the last Raw efore Mania?
No, because he didn't turn heel. One superkick to another face does not constitute a heel turn. Bmg916Speak to Me 01:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No Heel Turn

message: Both of these pictures are in the public domain. I think someone should edit them and display them in the article.
Mwutz 07:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Image 

message: This article should really make mention of the MSG incident, and as far as I can see it doesn't. Illuminattile 01:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MSG Incident 

message: Anyone else think that Shawn's current tag team championship reign should be mentioned before his being in a currently inactive tag team?
I'd of edited already, but thought I should ask here first. Thoughts? RabidWolf 18:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title or Tag 

message: on the April 2, 2007 edition of Raw, Cena and Micheals lost their title to the Hardys in a 10 or 20 team battle royal. but was it really a 10 or 20 team battle royal? The match was recycled (re-done). Dro Boy April 2, 2007 23:52
It wasn't quite 20 teams, but the two matches weren't a rehash, as it was explained that they were going to defend twice.
The first match pairings:  Shawn Michaels/John Cena, Kenny Dykstra/Chris Masters, Cryme Tyme, The Highlanders, Eugene/Jim Duggan, Elijah Burke/Matt Striker, Deuce and Domino, Finlay/Booker, and Rob Van Dam/Sabu
I count 9 teams there.  Michaels and Cena win part one.
The second match pairings: Shawn Michaels/John Cena, Hardy Boys, Paul London/Brian Kendrick, Lance Cade/Trevor Murdock, Sandman/Tommy Dreamer, Viscera/Val Venis, Chavo Guerrero/Gregory Helms, William Regal/Dave Taylor, Marcus CorVon/Kevin Thorn, Miz/Johnny Nitro
Guerrero and Helms were mentioned as being a part of part one, but I never saw them.  Michaels tosses Cena over the tope rope, and the Hardys win part two.  Smobro68 00:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  10 or 20 team? 

message: Find the gay in this sentence I found in this setion.
"Michaels recruited Sid as his bodyguard for the build-up, lost the match[9], and then was turned on by Sid the following night." - So did Sid stop at just turning him on, or did they actually get it on? The article never really tells what went on with their romance after that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qabala (talk • contribs) 20:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1994 to 1995 

message: "As of march 9th's RAW his theme music swithced from the DX theme to his "Boy Toy" theme." Should I add this to the article? --ÄtΘmicR€£igionesїgñ
:I was just about to say that, but you bumped me.... ah well, it is worth mentioning.--Ben414 02:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No more DX music 

message: I removed the line "when in reality it was Bret Hart who brought in the idea two years previously from the Stampede Wrestling promotion." because it isn't relevant to Shawn Michaels and the way it was written seemed as if it was just there to discredit Shawn. He is called the INNOVATOR of the ladder match, not the INVENTOR of the ladder match, so there is no need to point out that Bret Hart brought it to the WWF. If people want to know that they can go to a ladder match article or the Bret Hart article, but it does not belong in the Shawn Michaels article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.74.138.240 (talk) 03:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Innovator: –verb (used with object) to introduce (something new) (from dictionary.com)
as you can see, some people can (with good reason) assume innovate means invent in this case, and since Shawn Michaels was in the first televised ladder match, many people believe he was in the very first one, when he was not, so it's a little interesting point to note and not as a big a deal as you've made it to be. Bmg916SpeakSign 12:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ladder match 

message: It was actually scheduled to be Ultimate Warrior & Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair & Razor Ramon; they turned Mr. Perfect face to compensate for UW leaving the company. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iamcalledjay (talk • contribs) 14:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction to Survivor Series 1992 

message: Is HBK's theme This version of Sexy Boy? Derrty2033 03:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shawn Michaels's "Sexy Boy" song is a WWE-produced theme written by Jimmy Hart and sung by Shawn Michaels himself. This information is included in the article, in the Wrestling Facts section. And thanks to whoever removed that "Don't You Think I'm Sexy" thing in the article, considering that as of his last televised match (April 9, 2007), he used the same old "Sexy Boy." Also, I propose that the note about him using "Break It Down" should be changed, as he has now reverted fully back to "Sexy Boy." Just food for thought.(HalHornCorSec 05:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we consider this the end of DX? I mean, HBK was the "One-Man-DX-Army" for a while, but now he's back to his old self. There's no point in continuing DX when one half is gone and the other no longer represents it, right? 208.104.254.236 02:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme Music 

message: "This was probably the longest match since Hulk Hogan VS The Ultimate Warrior at a Wrestlemania event for the WWE and Intercontinental Championship."
What exactly is that absoloutely idiotic comment stating? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.220.191 (talk) 15:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Match time 

message: Can I put an image of Shawn Michaels that I took at Backlash this year? Clen_17 9:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backlash question 

message: The article has referencing problems. I am failing this per the GA review of the Undertaker article. Quadzilla99 11:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA quick fail

message: Does anyone know if HBK's collapses in the ring are Real or just a storyline? J.C. 19:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Collapse