Talk:Seam Zone

message: Seam zone "Kav Hatefer" refers to areas within israel green line as well as the area next to the barrier route. Zeq (talk) 14:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources I have read indicate the term is used only for the area between the barrier and the green line (I added a new one from Human Rights Watch to that effect). Can you please provide a link to the material you say indicates a different definition (and a short translation of the relevant text for non-Hebrew readers would be nice, if it is indeed in Hebrew). Thanks. Tiamuttalk 14:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: sources in Hebrew are mixed. Some refer to "Merhav Hatefer" as the area east of the green line and some refer to "Kav hatefer" (as in yeshuvei Kav Hatafer" for areas near the green line but from the west side. Zeq (talk) 14:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  seam zone definition 

message: The source used in the article say: "The court ruled that Israel would have to balance its security needs with the needs of Palestinians. The court decision said the barrier caused undue hardship for 35,000 Palestinians who would be cut off from their farmland, schools and jobs. " But the article using much higher numbers. Can you correct and use sources for each number ? Tnx. Zeq (talk) 14:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there. Each of the figures cited (indeed, every sentence in the article) has a source from which it was taken. As far as I can tell, they are all faithful to the sources. Is there one in particular that you think is incorrect and if so, can you correct it yourself? Thanks. Tiamuttalk 15:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. the quote I broght above is from the source cited in the article yet the number in the article is about 9x bigger. Zeq (talk) 15:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah, um, if you keep reading the article, it says further down: An Israeli human rights group says there are now about 57,000 Palestinians isolated in enclaves surrounded by the security barrier. The United Nations says that if the series of walls, fences, barbed wire and ditches is completed along its planned route, about a third of West Bank Palestinians will be affected. About 274,000 will be trapped in enclaves and about 400,000 blocked from their fields, jobs, schools and hospitals. Tiamuttalk 15:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And as you know the court changed the route for that reason and now the number is about 35,000 (also from same source) . We should update the article to refelct reality not the initial estiamtes which were X10 over what it is in facts. Zeq (talk) 15:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the purposes of Wikipedia, I don't "know" anything, unless there is a source that says it. Please provide updated sources you would like to see used. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 16:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

text: based on what you know (and you do know:-) you should be able to search and find sources .... that is what we always do and no reason not to do it here as well. Zeq (talk) 18:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of those affected 

message: Tiamut I was wondering whether or not Wadi Fukin is included in the Bethlehem Seam Zone area? Its sandwiched between an Israeli town in Gush Etzion and the border with Israel. You could look at any detailed West Bank map for assurance. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is a seam zone map linked to the article. I'll check it and see what comes up. Generally, I don't like to use just any old map to make that determination, but one that has the seam zone area clearly marked and updated, so that it isn't WP:OR. I'll let you know in a second. Tiamuttalk 18:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know Wadi Fukin is indeed in the seam zone. Zeq (talk) 18:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this map, Waki Fukin falls within the area of "barrier enclaves" (coloured green in the mini-map on the side and which if you superimpose on the large map with village names you will find Wadi Fukin within it.) The barrier there (approved for contruction, according to the legend) will run just east of the green line, seemingly right through Wadi Fukin. Anyway, I think it's safe to conclude that it is one of the town's in the seam zone. Place the ref to the map and if someone has a problem with it, it can be discussed then. Tiamuttalk 18:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wadi Fukin