Talk:Dili

message: Both coa and flag were designed for the first time in the 1700s (see LAGHANS, Almeida. "Armorial do Ultramar Português". Agência Geral do Ultramar, 2 volumes. 1966.
and this http://purl.pt/12333/1/ ). The stamp comemorating the 200 years of the foundation of Dili, in 1969, shows the Coa, with its final reformed version, but bringing in its centre the same design made about 300 years ago.
User JPatrick Fisher is just trying to monopolize the whole content of this page, which is not a principle of Wikipedia for sure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zé da Zilda (talk • contribs) 15:29, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Zé da Zilda aka Domaleixo: We talked about this all two years ago, below your post now. A scan from a book is not allowed, flag and CoA is not in used by the city, because there is NO municipality of Dili as administrative division. Anyhow, there is no CoA for Sucos or sth like this. You can see this at the sign of the suco seat of Meti Aut. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 18:47, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag and Coa of Dili are NOT copyrighted

message: Anybody have information on how much Portuguese is spoken in the capital? I read somewhere that it is used mostly only in the government but I'm curious how much Portuguese the average person in the capital would know, considering it is the political centre of the country. Mithridates 15:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese

message: See http://www.timor-leste.gov.tl/ (Timor Leste used in the English website, also used in some TV news, UN.  Some news websites use East Timor, though) Archtransit 23:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Timor Leste

message: This has gone on long enough. I'm seeking administrator advice. Domaleixo might think he is subject to different rules, but it can't continue like this. Four people have now shown their opposition, yet, he feels he alone has the right to do what he wants.
I note this user has previous form and it's about time he got blocked properly. "Emersen" again. Why is he allowed to get away with this?. I've requested administrator action. --Merbabu (talk) 07:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It seem, that there is a need for a global blocking. In every Wikipedia, Domaleixo/Emerson is trying to press his image inside. By the way: There is nowhere a Portuguese municipal flag with a brownish crown. Crowns of CoA on flags are shown as yellow. There is still a new image for showing the former CoA of Dili, if needed. For using this or the brownish CoA in the Infobox, there is no evidence. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 08:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was "called in" to this discussion, so i'd like to make a few comments, if I may:
* The flag with the motto seems wrong, most (all?) municipal or city flags have the name of the city under it.
* All portuguese ex colonies adopted the legal systems of portugal at the time of their independence
* Municipal flags are in general little use and even less known in portugal.
* The crown should be the same as any other portuguse city as it signifies precisely it's status as such, simpler crowns are used for town and village.
* Dili was never the first place on the portuguese empire to see the sun, that would have been Macau
* Finally, i'm sure there are better ways of using everyone's energy than this petty tit-for-tat over a probably disused flag.
Galf (talk) 09:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Galf: Your sentence 1 is irrelevant, since that coat of arms is documented and confirmed by law, and even by photo, as shown above; Sentence 2 is unsourced original research, as far as I know; Sentence 3 is blatantly false: In many municipalities its use is quite extensive, J. Patrick has already shown the use of the CoA of Lisbon, which can be found everywhere in the city, from sewage covers to logos in publicity banners. The same is true for Funchal, the city where I am from. Sentence 4: The crown should be depicted in or, as defined in heraldic rules. In practice it's the same that you've said. Sentence 5 is irrelevant, since that motto was assigned by decree. Finally, sentence 6: Agreed.--Darwinius (talk) 09:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll just pitch in one final time, for the sake of peace.
* I'm entitled to original research, this is the talk page :) also, this is just an opinion and evrione makes mistakes.
* My whole point is on the pettiness of this. both J. Patrick Fischer and Domaleixo seem to have contributed usefully to wikipedia elsewhere, so can I please ask both of you to be civil around this article or leave it alone? I have seen way too many articles flagged and locked because of nearly irrelevant issues. My suggestion is: label the flag with the dates when it was used '62-'75 and leave it on the gallery and move on. I noticed that the education section could do with some improvement....Did you know that the portuguese government sent teachers to Timor after 1999? Galf (talk) 10:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

text: "I'm entitled to original research, this is the talk page :)" - Absolutely ;). I believe that Brazil also had a significant role in the rebuilding, I've seen a lot of photos in Flickr about Brazil projects going on in Dili, even a thematic week was organized.--Darwinius (talk) 10:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there are even more Brazilian than Portuguese teachers as far as I can notice it from Europe. But Portugal has a lot of policemen in East Timor. ;-) I think the flag with the date 1962 - 1975 is totally acceptabel. It is still there in the gallery. If the chapter "History" is enlarged, it would be possible to add the flag there at a more prominent place. If someone with better English acknowledge want to do this: There are a lot of English sources about the history linked in German wikipedia articles just like this. ;-) --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 10:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Right. In German we use "Gold" as heraldic term for yellow, that was not exactly in English. A better image for the colonial flag would be welcome, of course. But we have the same problem with the German national flag (Black-Red-Gold). Generally, the flags have a dark yellow as gold, but there are always some, who use brownish yellow for flag pictures. ^^° --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 09:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to have corrected you, then. In Portuguese it's ouro, used both for the heraldic colour and the metal. :)--Darwinius (talk) 10:03, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It´s amazing how some people carry on their delirium....J.Patrick Fischer is now the guardian of the blasons of East Timor. The first image, "CITY OF DILI", he affirmed to the four winds that this was the correct flag....now, he takes the image I put here, and bright the crown, and begin to spread it on all Wikipedias as his own authorship.....laughable. He doesn´t even know from where this image comes from....
Merbabu, by its own turn, is the guardian of all Timorese history. Only him has the truth about all things Timorese, and don´t dare to confront him...you will be doing ORIGINAL RESEARCH. Come on.....
Really, what´s the problem of an official symbol of the city still be the colonial one? Is there any rule that colonized nations may not use anything from colonial times?
thumb|100px|right|CoA of São Paulo city until 1917
thumb|100px|left|Coat of arms of Itamaracá - the Dutch created it in 1639, during their brief occupation of Northeastern Brazil, and, it´s still in use.
All you THREE (and not four, Merbabu, you don´t even know how to count anymore?) can´t you just assume that the problem here has just to do with this symbol being from the colonial times? Where in the world there´s a rule that immediately after independence, all countries can´t use the colonial symbols? Why J.Patrick Fischer is so obssessed with the Timorese symbols? There´s also here symbols for Bissau and São Tomé. Why only the Timorese symbol is obsolete? The others are not? This is just a big lack of knowledge of International Institutions, Heraldry, Law, and.....History.--Domaleixo (talk) 10:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Four - cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 20:48, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Sorry to say, but you are not really believing, you know about law, although you don't even understand to work inside the rules of Wikipedia? And the thing about the colour isn't heraldry stuff or does anybody talking about the CoA-image? That is vexillology-stuff and I am not a beginner in this things. The colour of the flag-image is not correct. Looking to the images, you loaded up, it shouldn't be a problem for you to edit your image. Or did you simply scan all your images? By the way: A Chilean blog is not a source for Timorese law. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 18:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait... Did you say, you SCANED the image from a book from the sixties? That is copyright violation! --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 18:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Man, you are really RIDICULOUS.....(laughing so much).....public symbols need no copyright! I created this image myself from a 1966 book. Anyway, if I had scanned it entirely, it´s a PUBLIC SYMBOL, MORON!--Domaleixo (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

text:  You didn't scan? Why did you say: "The color of "MY" image is golden, but, since the book is from late 60s, the scan darkened it."? --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 19:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pure disruption

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message: ខ្ញុំចង់ប្រែវាវិញ Chhen Ratana (talk) 03:42, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the English Wikipedia. It should remain in English here. MB 04:13, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
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message: Small point, perhaps, but the size of Dili is listed as improbably large.  It's listed as 18,636 square miles, when the total land area of East Timor is listed as 5,794 square miles.  I'm guessing the land area of Dili was typed in by someone that uses commas instead of periods to denote the decimal place, and the land area of Dili is 18.636 square miles, when using periods to denote the decimal place.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rameal (talk • contribs) 21:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently this was pulling directly from Wikidata which was pulled from DBPedia. I've replaced it. CMD (talk) 01:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land Area of Dili