Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)/Archive 3

message: As Japanese had one, and I think it would be useful, I started Wikipedia:Manual of Style for China-related articles.  Mosy on over and have a look. --Pratyeka 06:06, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Style guide started

message: As it would be useful, I started Wikipedia:History standards for China-related articles. Have a look. 大将军, 都督中外诸军事 (talk) 03:10, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: History standards started

message: I propose that in cases when it is ambiguous as to which name is a person's surname that we italicize the surname. To see what this would look like, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Jie_Yao&oldid=5457530 --Spencer195
:Jie Yao should be moved to Yao Jie. perhaps we should do this for all articles on East Asians. The Japanese articles are inconsistent - we have Tojo Hideki v. Junichiro Koizumi. Other options include underlining and putting in all caps. --Jiang 20:17, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I object to the use of italics when there is already international standard in labelling surnames. The CIA's World Fact Book uses SMALL CAPS to indicate surnames.  The same international convention is used in many international settings such as the Olympics.  The issue was brought up couple years ago and the decision back then was to sacrafice clarity for consistency.  i.e. spell all names the same way regardless of their local convention.  I would like that decision reverted instead of adding a different twist to the same problem.  See more in  family name.  Kowloonese 20:39, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: Italicize surnames 

message: wait... What do you mean by Wholesale?
This would involve titling the article with a romanization of its Chinese name.  Vote here regardless of whether you support spaces in the names or not; whether Tai Shan or Taishan. Examples: for 泰山、洪湖、汉水、五台山、鄱阳湖、松花江 we use Tai Shan, Hong Hu, Han Shui, Wutai Shan, Poyang Hu, Songhua Jiang.
Votes:
#ran (talk) 16:44, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC) -- Choice 1
#Jkiang 04:39, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese name, wholesale 

message: With this, we'd translate the name of the geographical feature into English, while leaving the proper noun untouched. By proper noun, I mean the part that does not, by itself, denote the geographical feature. Examples: for 泰山、洪湖、汉水、五台山、鄱阳湖、松花江 we use Mount Tai, Lake Hong, Han River, Mount Wutai, Lake Poyang, Songhua River.
Votes:
#Menchi 05:51, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese proper name, English geographical name 

message: Here we would take the name we'd use in the second option. In addition, we will add the Chinese geographical name, but only if the name would otherwise have only one syllable. This option exists because it's debatable whether Chinese proper nouns behave in the same way as English ones do — some people may consider "Honghu", together, to be a proper noun, and would object to the use of "Lake Hong". This would, in some cases, be redundant. Examples: for 泰山、洪湖、汉水、五台山、鄱阳湖、松花江 we use Mount Taishan, Lake Honghu, Hanshui River, Mount Wutai, Lake Poyang, Songhua River.
Votes:
#Xiaopo ℑ 22:41, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)
#Menchi 05:51, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese name plus English name (redundant) for monosyllables