Talk:Thirteen (House)

message: "While Thirteen's name was originally intended to be revealed, the production team decided against doing so and her name was eventually replaced by the psuedonym on all documents, including the callsheets, to further the in-joke in the show's narrative between House and Thirteen that he could simply check her file."
When I read that I found it awkward and didn't really understand it. I would attempt to fix it myself but again, I can't really fix it if I don't know what the intent is.
BlueArcher (talk) 19:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled comments 

message: Stills from Mirror Mirror, where Chase is handing out betting slips, seem to show her name to be Remy Hadley.  Is this worth mentioning, or best to leave it until it's officially revealed in an episode?  (http://www.watchinghouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/remy.jpg)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.133.7.37 (talk) 08:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out Talk:House (TV series)#Remy Hadley?. The consensus right now is to wait until it's officially revealed. --Hnsampat (talk) 14:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Indeed, after the airing of tonight's episode, the plot thickens. Cuddy very clearly called Thirteen by the name of "Dr. Hadley," not once but several times. This does lend credence to "Remy Hadley" indeed being Thirteen's real name. However, I should note that the first name ("Remy") was not spoken tonight and that House implied that "Dr. Hadley" was not her real name (although his logic could be that "Thirteen" is her real name). Nonetheless, since the last name has indeed been spoken on the show now, I think we can justify including the reference to what was seen on the ballot and mentioning her last name. I wouldn't jump to start renaming everything "Remy Hadley" yet, though. (Eventually, maybe, but not yet.) That's my take. Thoughts? --Hnsampat (talk) 02:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Until and unless they reveal that her first name is indeed Remy, I'd leave it out, and just mention her last name as we've done here. ObsidianBlack (talk) 03:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, I guess that furthers yet more the bisexuality joke. RUL3R (talk) 21:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That might have been part of the thinking, but Remy isn't exclusively male. I know a girl named Remy. 72.202.143.136 (talk) 20:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

text: FOX.com keeps switching the name online, from "Rena" to "Rema" to "Remy" and back again. (See the discussion below for more details.) So, we're waiting until they actually say the name on the show, so that no doubt remains. --Hnsampat (talk) 22:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Name? 

message: The link is dead. --Taraborn (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference num. 4 is dead 

message: Merely a formatting issue, but should wer refer to our doctor here as Thirteen (without quotation marks) or "Thirteen"? --Hnsampat (talk) 06:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be "Thirteen." It's not like Thirteen is her real name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.202.143.136 (talk) 20:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Quotation marks should only be used on the first mention of the nickname and not thereafter. Not only does omitting them improve readability, but it's perfectly appropriate to use a nickname in place of a real name without calling attention to it every time. — $wgUser 21:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thirteen vs. "Thirteen" 

message: Did she really compare their characters with a negative attitude towards thirteen here: http://www.buddytv.com/articles/house/jennifer-morrison-gives-her-di-15674.aspx ?
""I think they're blatant," she said.  "To me, Thirteen is very much like Cameron..."" - doesn't seem derogatory  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.188.34 (talk) 22:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jennifer Morrison? 

message: Why isn't a mention of her testing positive for Huntington's chorea, in the last episode of the season 4, being given any importance? She obviously was disturbed since the season's beginning because of this, and finally had the guts to face it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.42.20 (talk) 15:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be, but there was such an orgasm of editing "OMG SHE HAS HUNTINGTONS" and about her name and stuff like that after the final episode that the page got fully protected and so no one can edit it right now. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already mentioned under "Characterization." What more do we need? Remember, we don't want to give that tidbit of information undue weight. --Hnsampat (talk) 15:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huntington's ? 

message: Maybe we should add more sections to the article which talk about her name and references to her sexuality named "Name" and "Sexuality", appropriately. Then we can add all of the allusions there. Maybe even a section talking about her Huntingdon's. We can pretty much elaborate on the characterization by separating it into sections.. --Vreddy92 (talk) 14:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking about doing the same thing, but the problem is that there's basically nothing more to say beyond what is already there in the article. We could create separate sections, but they'd end up having one or two sentences in each. So, I think we're fine as it stands. --Hnsampat (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Sections? 

message: At present, the article contains the phrase, "This is exactly what happens, giving House a team of four, which is what he had wanted," in reference to Cuddy allowing House to hire Thirteen, However, it might be just me, but from how I 'read' that scene, it seemed like House wanted Thirteen herself, and was looking for an excuse to hire her, which Cuddy unwittingly provides. Have I understood wrong? Deamon138 (talk) 00:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I guess it could. Okay, what you've put now seems fair enough. I'll have a look for any comment on this episode elsewhere on the web and see what's what. Deamon138 (talk) 00:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I saw that episode not long ago, and Cuddy said that House could only hire TWO, not three. So he hired two men so Cuddy woudls ay that it was sexist so he coudl hire Thirteen. The info in the article is wrong.--201.132.202.153 (talk) 02:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No actually it's not. Cuddy says to House at the end, "I can't let you hire two men, you've already got Foreman." This means that by hiring Thirteen, along with Kutner and Taub, he has FOUR working for him. Foreman was already hired, so he was already part of HOuse's team. Deamon138 (talk) 20:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What House wanted 

message: I noticed that a robot has added a link to the Spanish version of this article. Now I don't speak Spanish, but I'm pretty sure that Remy Hadley isn't the Spanish for the number thirteen. Therefore, since we've decided here that it should stick at Thirteen until it is more evident that RH is her name, then surely the Spanish one should do the same? Surely they are watching the same program (just with it translated) so they get the same information, therefore the same arguments apply, no? Deamon138 (talk) 19:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Their consensus obviously went the other way. Different wikis have different rules. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They don't seem to have a consensus though. And by that I mean, their discussion page hasn't been created. I know that the different language versions of Wikipedia have different rules, but surely all share the same basic rule to name a television character what their name is? We, on the English version have decided that there isn't enough evidence to call her RH, so wouldn't there be not enough evidence to call her it on the Spanish version too? If they had had some discussion on this and had decided on RH, then I could see your point that that is their consensus, but they don't seem to have done that. Deamon138 (talk) 20:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Created by someone who thought there was enough evidence, and no one has seen reason to move it. It's pretty much irrelevant and the fact that another wiki calls her Remy Hadley is not a reason for us to until there is sufficient evidence. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I speak Spanish, but that is the reason why I ONLY read this wikipedia: Spanish one is too messy, no rules. I'll leave a comment there so they change it to Trece (Thirteen)--MakE shout! 20:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish version 

message: I've noticed that the article makes use of quitation marks, to call the character "Thirteen." However, their use seems rather sporadic in this article. Sometimes they are used and sometimes they're not. Surely we ought to be consistent and have solely one or the other? I'm not sure personally which option I advocate, but there must be similar cases to base this on for that. Deamon138 (talk) 01:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotation marks 

message: According to http://www.fox.com/house, Thirteen's real name is "Rena Hadley". I think this source is reliable and official enough that we can change the article accordingly, although I still say that we keep the article title as "Thirteen (House)" since "Thirteen" is still the character's most common name. Also, I think this goes to show why we need to be very careful about reliable sources. The obscure ballot that showed the name as "Remy Hadley" turned out not to be a reliable source after all. (And, actually, it wouldn't have been a reliable source even if the name had turned out to be Remy Hadley. Accuracy and reliability are not the same thing. In this case, the source was neither accurate nor reliable.) --Hnsampat (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rena Hadley 

message: Given that she hasn't come out on the show, and given that it doesn't seem to be a major part of her character, I've removed the category.  Please don't add it until she comes out and there's at least a storyline relating to it. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Season 5 episode 5 has a female patient that 13 had a one night stand with, I'd say that counts as a reliable source and qualifies as her coming out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.104.172.179 (talk) 02:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that they have shown her making out with one of the patients in the Episode 5 preview, I think her bisexuality is no longer in question. The article should definitely be edited to reflect that. --Chacharu (talk) 03:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bisexual? 

message: Someone seems pretty adamant about making sure everyone knows that this character has Huntington's disease. I don't have the know-how about procedure for protecting an article, but I think it might be warranted in this case.Hypershadow647 (talk) 01:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The vandalism seems to have stopped for now. If it starts up again, however, give the IP user one final warning. If it continues after that, then report the user to WP:AIV. Page protection would only be warranted if there was persistent vandalism happening from multiple users. --Hnsampat (talk) 01:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Huntingtons" 

message: I would say the reference to lucky thirteen in poorly written i am unsure how to clarify it but it makes statements that were not made within the episode in the first sentence while the rest is accurate so i feel than the opening sentences is OR while the rest is accurate but i do not know how i can fix it--Shimonnyman (talk) 04:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  lucky thirteen 

message: The episode of House that was just aired had Thirteen declare her name as Remy Hadley. Does this prove that this is really her name?
I am not saying to change the name, this one is more common. But this should be the accepted name for her because the show is the most canon and reliable source.
--66.32.141.216 (talk) 02:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the matter is now finally brought to a closed. Remy Hadley is indeed her name. However, her most common name remains "Thirteen" and so we're not going to change the article name. --Hnsampat (talk) 02:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remy Hadley? 

message: Why is a non-free image used in this article (:File:Olivia-wilde-house.jpg) when it's apparent that a wholly acceptable replaceable libre image is available (:File:Olivia Wilde by David Shankbone.jpg)?  I ask because House characters, and FA's in general have a precedent of such at Michael Tritter, which I wholly laud.  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 20:42, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The image in use here is of "Olivia Wilde as Dr. Remy Hadley", rather than just of "Olivia Wilde". It's fair use anyway, so why does it matter? kingdom2 (talk) 21:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Because use of non-free imagery when libre imagery is available that performs the same function is what WP:NFCC#1 addresses.  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 23:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  imagery? 

message: Should something be mentioned in the article that "Beauregard" could be her middle name? The paycheck that says "Beauregard" was admittedly a ploy by House to mess with Foreman, but it wasn't clear whether it's actually her given name. Fixial (talk) 01:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle Name 

message: I would like to point out that the picture in the infobox is actually a photo of Olivia Wilde as opposed to a photo of Olivia Wilde portraying Thirteen. I don't know what the standard for this is, so I guess I'm asking if a picture of the actress is a suitable alternative to a non-free picture of the character? Allanlw 17:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a long-standing debate.  Some (myself included, see above) feel that unless there's some particular reliably sourced critical commentary on the appearance of a fictional character (that only applies to the character and not the libre images available of the actor) then there's no reason to use copyrighted material for the character's depiction.  The opposing viewpoint is that the actor simply isn't the character, and as such can't capture the character's je ne sais quoi (if you will) w/o using the copyrighted imagery under fair-use/NFC.Bear in mind which stand I'm advocative for, and my description of the situation—while factually accurate—may not be uncoloured.My only other point to make is to direct you to the article Michael Tritter.  It's a FA-class article using a libre image of the actor for the article, and iirc that usage instead of using copyrighted imagery was specifically noted in the FAN.  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 19:19, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't oppose images of the actress in the article, but I feel the lead image should be of the character, not the actress standing around somewhere looking faintly gormless. If we have a free image of the character - eg an on-set photo, then that would be acceptable, but unless we do I'm inclined to say that WP:FU allows for the use of a non-free image. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would recommend discussing it with , as it appears he's the editor that made the change.  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 20:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Probably apparent, but  would appear to advocate the latter of the two viewpoints I listed.  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 20:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgive me for my ignorance here, but is a screenshot of her character (and her character alone) from House outside of FU policies? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 08:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: The image has been proposed for deletion. Again this has been done without making any announcement here, which seems an underhanded way of trying to delete it, and the reason it was able to be deleted without discussion the last time.
Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2010 October 1
Qurq (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion proposal 

message: I updated the ref in Character History about the upcoming return of Thirteen. This will need to be updated again when the episode airs -- in May, it currently appears. Jeff (talk) 07:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thirteen's return 

message: Aparently, Thirteen was in jail.... (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thirteen's return(pt.2)

message: In new Fans ask House(p2) Olivia Wilde confirms that her character's real middle name is Beauregard and (attention!) she's from Louisiana (check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8tCvqvGF4s)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.140.248.13 (talk) 19:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't link YouTube as a source because of potential copyright violations. Cresix (talk) 22:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle name 

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