Talk:Argentina v England (1986 FIFA World Cup)

message: Batista was not DF, Argentina formation was :  pumpido - cucciufo,brown,ruggeri - giusti, enrique, batista, olarticoecha - maradona,burru - valdano  (3-4-2-1) --Jor70 (talk) 21:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - are you saying that this  is an accurate descritpion of positions then?  --Pretty Green (talk) 09:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  sourced! ;-)  Yes, that's better --Jor70 (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Batista

message: Match is only of relevance to English football, its irrelevant to Scottish football.  Its only raised in Scotland as the English still whine about it.  Justin talk 10:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've reverted to your version without the Tag whilst we discuss this, though I don't think an NPOV tag is warranted for an article with one disputed sentence. Though its a small point I am rather hurt that you chose to use such tags rather than engaging in a discussion. My intention is not to create a divisive article. --Pretty Green (talk) 11:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wonderful, happy to talk about it.  Ever thought of just how annoying it is for people to assume British = English, or for the media to forget that the world doesn't revolve around England.  Truly the Scots do not give a stuff about a game between England and Argentina.  The tag was only added because of your insistence that misrepresented it as an issue for British football.  Britain is not just England.  Justin talk 11:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, check my arguments above - that was never my intention. I was aware of this danger when writing it, but I felt that the points above justified this sentence. I'm not some ignorant English moron. --Pretty Green (talk) 11:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, on a more guideline-view point, wouldn't Template:POV-statement be more appropriate? It was not the article as a whole that was being objected to, but one sentence. Pretty Green (talk) 11:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Academic as the tag has been removed.  And where did I say you were an ignorant English moron? You wouldn't be the first Englishman to do it subcounciously.  If you were aware of the danger, once it was construed that the way the correct response would have been to explain rather than simply revert.  Justin talk 13:15, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to put words in your mouth but your comments have given that impression; I apologise if that was not your intention. As for the revert, my general approach in such situations is - rv back once with a brief explanation; then if a revert occurs gain, rv back with a longer explanation on talk and then let the situation come to discussion, which I don't think is unreasonable. --Pretty Green (talk) 22:35, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Tag 

message: Would it not be more customary for the "v" to be replaced with "vs." in the name of the article, because "v" tends to indicate some kind of legal proceeding. --82.13.233.26 (talk) 14:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, v. is just more typical of British usage and vs. is more typical of American usage, e.g. Kramer vs. Kramer. Salopian (talk) 01:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of Article

message: Giving the fact we havent any more the hand of God goal article I think would be interesting to add some of its history as what his brother told him after the 1980 goal . many references: he recalled a similar move in England, some years before, when he finished that way and his brother had told him that he should have Gambeteado the goalkeeper as well. --Jor70 (talk) 22:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We had this discussion on the old Hand of God page, and there was little support there for suggesting any meaningful link. Kevin McE (talk) 11:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I cant find the referred discussion   . There are plenty of references about this event and I think is notable enough to merit a small mention --Jor70 (talk) 17:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 1980 Diego's Goal

message: Just heard this on BBC World News after the 2-2 goal missed by the referees in the England-Germany game, June 2010. Two English sports journalists:
Man 1: "....but we need guys like Maradona to keep the mystique of the game alive. He is truly a hero in my book, he can do no wrong, and if he did that dramatic hand-of-God goal, that's a mythic moment! Where would we be without Maradona?"
Man 2 (smiling): There's a few of us who would have preferred never to have heard of the hand of God.
:D  Strausszek (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heard on the BBC 

message: The link to the Maradona's quote is this
http://www.rediff.com/sports/football/2002/may/30mara.htm
I don't know how to put links...;)  
Bye
: Kevin McE (talk) 10:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maradona's quote 

message: See the Talk page of the article on Maradona. It is noted that a photo apparently showing Maradona touching the ball seems to be a Photoshopped fake.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 14:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  See the Maradona page 

message: ....refers to a player called "Hodges".  His name is actually Steve Hodge (no "s") -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the diagram also appears to suggest the game was played by two teams of bandy legged starfish.  So Steve Hodge may prefer to be excluded. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The diagram.... 

message: The article has Maradona's compliment towards England (how they are noble and don't knock down/tackle him like other countries) twice, very near each other -- once in the "Aftermath," and once in "The goal of the century." I'm going to edit out the comment in the "Aftermath" section to avoid redundancy, if that's okay with you all. Adamh4 (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maradona Compliment 

message: # Why is this part of project Mexico if this match has nothing to do in Mexico?
# I vote this article for deletion.
--PeacefulJarl379 (talk) 00:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In response to your first point, the match was played in Mexico. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:08, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 items to discuss 

message: Hi there. Looking at the article, the article now seems to imply that the controversial goal being a handball is now heavily disputed, with no undisputed evidence for it being a handball. As far as I was aware, the consensus that it was a handball was pretty strong, but apparently not any more. This new version seems to originate with these edits by User:Boeing720, but I figured that rather than change it back to the other version myself, I'd look for other opinions here. 86.150.88.32 (talk) 15:11, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And yes - it was at a question from some English journalist, that Maradona missinterpreted (and for sure was not aware of how newspapers as the Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Mirror bend answers as it pleases them. A very good example from the time when Sven-Göran Eriksson became England manager. One of the tabloids stated something like "How can we survie a manager who speakes a language that uses "Nu tror jag vi skall dra oss åt sidan lite grand" for a simple "Hello" !!! But Sven was not listening to the journalist and talked instead to Tord Grip and in English said "Now I think we should draw us aside a little". I.o.w. British tabloids mainly writes pure rubbish, unlike Guardian, Telegraph and perhaps Times) "Perhaps God gave me a helping hand" is not an acknowledgement of any accusation, in the Catholical Latin America. I've ofcouce seen the goal a number of times, including at VHS frame-by-frame (an like I stated during the 1986 World Cup , all goals were shown in slow motion from all sides , and at Azteca stadium these cameras were located "in the air", connected to steel wires of some kind. Please not that I have always been a great admirer of especially English (and Scottish) football-culture. In Euro's and World Cups I generally hope that England finally will win again, after Sweden and Denmark are out, if they participated at all. However during this quaterfinal, Diego Armando Maradona, scored the most amazing football goal ever in history. And the English defenders were doing their work, actually indeed very spelendid, since Argentine with Maradona at his peak only managed to score twice. I think all fotball supporters of the world should focus at the second goal insted of discredit the best footballer in history as a cheater. I can say that live neither the Swedish SVT or Danish DR commentator noticed any touch on the ball with any of his hands. The Swedish stated during the replay "it's offside eeeh, or is it ?" (but he was onside, not ?). Unfortunately even if an English victory this summer would make me very glad indeed, I doubt the English team. There are simply too few English players in Premier League. On the other hand, Brazil is not quite what it has been. A year ago I would have guessed that Germany would win, but the way Bayern Munich finished CL makes me doubtful about them aswell. Surelly Spain cannot win yet another tournament. And I don't believe in Italy, France, Holland and Argenine either. So perhaps England vs Russia in the final ? Boeing720 (talk) 11:50, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hand of God goal no longer handball? 

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