Talk:Atlanta/Archive 2

message: What is with the archive and copyrighted images?--Old Guard 01:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The talk pages of many articles regularly get archived; this is quite common in Wikipedia. AreJay 01:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive quetion

message: Can someone add that Atlanta is hosting the 2008 NHL All-Star Game? It's kind of a big deal. --Stang281 07:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NHL

message: Looking back at a March 2006 version, much of the 'good' has been thrown out with the bad. Some have ghettoized Atlanta's nicknames while forgetting its history.  What happened to the mention and explanation of the "Phoenix City," "New York of the South," etc. Even the early name 'Thrashersville' has disappeared!  Also, the discussion of the city and urban sprawl issues, exurbs, and economic influence has been mostly removed.  Much of this material needs to be re-incorporated into the article. → R Young {yakłtalk} 05:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: =Throwing the Baby Out with the Bath Water

message: The city of Atlanta may be majority-black now, but for the first 130+ years, it was majority white.  Also, Atlanta is becoming increasingly diverse.  This article is not about 'black Atlanta' but about 'Atlanta.'  Discussions of issues such as 'history' should be inclusive of multiple viewpoints and perspectives.  
→ R Young {yakłtalk} 05:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Atlanta and the Race Issue

message: Atlanta is not the largest state capitol in the nation, Atlanta population is only 470,000. While Phoenix (capitol of Arizona and largest state capitol) has a population of 1,460,000. Nearly 1 million more citizens in the city of Atlanta. Even Indianapolis (capitol of Indiana, 791,000) Boston, (Capitol of Massachusetts, 570,000) are larger than Atlanta.  Atlanta has a larger metro area ( 5 million to Phoenix 3 million) but it is not a larger city by any change. Even Boston's metro area is larger than Atlanta's (5.8 million to 5.2) This can confuse some people when they think that metro Atlanta and the city of Atlanta proper, is the same thing.
:Agreed.  Atlanta is the capital.  Metro Atlanta is not the capital.  If someone wants to wordsmith it (which seems difficult), I'm fine with that.  For now I'll just delete it, as I think it is misleading, not particularly notable, and mangles the rest of the sentence. Ufwuct 16:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest State Capitol in the Nation?  

message: It seems that there is a strong desire among some to inflate the population figures for the Atlanta Metro Area.  Garyaaliya has reranked the metro area in the Houston, Texas, this article, and United States metropolitan area.  In 2004, the population of the 28-county Atlanta Metro area was 4,708,297; in 2005, the U.S. Census Bureau estimates showed 4,917,717 living in these counties (not 5,249,121).  Greater Houston had 5,280,077 people (not 5,180,443). I invite you to try again next year (late June 2007), when the U.S. Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2006 are expected to come out.  Thanks. Ufwuct 16:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Strong urge to increase rank of Atlanta Metro Area

message: I asked this question prior to it getting archived and unanswered, so I'll ask it again. Why is my virtual tour of Atlanta link being removed every time I post it?  Please let me know.  Thanks! --TourPath 03:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Virtual Tours

message: I've been trying to figure out a good representation for the homicide rate from 2002-2005 (the only years available on the APD website) for the crime section. Does this looks useful or can someone figure out a better way to show it? Thanks
--Jolomo 18:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that chart looks quite good, but it might be more visually straightforward to have the areas below the graph lines not filled in, especially since if a future graph line intersects a prior year's graph line, the current shading scheme would no longer work. Qqqqqq 01:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homicide rate 

message: Can we get some photos to illustrate this article that don't so obviously consist of layering up different images of sky, skyline, and foreground? I'm thinking of "Image:Downtown-southside.jpg", which resembles a miniature cardboard cutout in front of a sky backdrop, and "Image:Growth.jpg". Photoshopping and art have their places at Wikipedia; but I think this gives a weird impression of the city. — President Lethe 23:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustrations 

message: Does anyone mind if I post a commercially-supported virtual tour to this article? The tour link is as follows
http://www.tourpath.com/tour_state_georgia.shtml (Georgia tour links page)
http://www.commercialnet.biz/dvt/rmp.php?id=344 (Direct ot Atl. tour)
Thanks for letting me know.  Best, --TourPath 15:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Tourpath — this might help you a little bit.  Here's Wikipedia's external links policy - WP:EL.  You might want to read through that to see if the external links you're attempting to add to the article are permissible or not.  Thanks AreJay 17:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  TourPath, I think the first step then would be to build some consensus here on the talk page as to whether or not users think the external link is appropriate.  I personally don't have any problems with the fact that it is a dotcom as opposed to a .net or .org.  Contrary to what was said in one of the earlier discussions, .com domains don't always have to relate to commercial entities, and certainly from a Wikipedia policy standpoint, there isn't any rule against .com websites (One of Wikipedia's mirrors is actually wikipedia.com — doesn't make it a commercial entity).  So let's start off by building some consesus on this page — you may want to either create a separate discussion for that or just use this thread.  Hope this helps. AreJay 01:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virtual Tour - Part Deux 

message: A section on healthcare and hospitals in Atlanta would be helpful. --Ttownfeen 05:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Healthcare/hospitals 

message: The new census estimates puts the Greater Atlanta ahead of the Greater Houston area and closing in on the Metroplex.
:What is your source?  I have been using the United States Census Bureau as a source for the data. Thanks. Ufwuct 01:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlanta's Larger than Houston now 

message: There is a need to clarify the deaths from the bombing during the olympics.  Only one person died from the actual blast.  The second was simply a heart attack and should not be included in the information as it may be misleading.  If the second is included, then there should be an addition to deaths for those who died in a car accident that day.  However this death may be notable information, but must be clarified. 
  (note: my resources are Microsoft Encarta, CNN.com)
24.92.149.187 02:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Centennial Bombing

message: There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. 
:This proposal would allow for this article to be located at Atlanta instead of Atlanta, Georgia, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 16:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

message: The 10/31 vandalism edit by 65.6.186.79 does not appear to have been completely reverted - much of the information that was blanked was not restored (pre- Civil War history).  I don't know anything about Atlanta, so I'm not qualified to decide whether it belongs in the article. Could some regular contributor make the call? - Special-T 15:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me take a look -- I had meant to add pre-Civil War history, and hadn't realized a passage had been blanked. --GGreeneVa 15:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part of History section blanked & never restored 

message: This must be changed.
:Agreed.  This doesn't show Atlanta very well.  That could be just about any major city on the planet, as far as I can tell from that thumbnail. Ufwuct 14:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The nighttime image was added a long time ago, but it hasn't been changed since then.  Still, I think this image is not a good one for this article; even the original picture (ATL2ATL.JPG) is better. Ufwuct 14:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The darkest lead picture ever 

message: I'm wondering what the pronunciation of these /ˌætˈlɛ̃n.nə/ or /ˌɛtˈlɛ̃n.nə/ are. Do these are for local people or typical American people call? I saw in dictionary either MSN or Webster using [t] at the third word. --Manop - TH 02:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The pronunciation guide should probably include examples with the "t" sound in the third syllable. Some people do pronounce that "t" and some do not. "Properly," it should probably have the "t," but in some dialects it does fall silent. Thanks for pointing it out! (Note to others: could someone better versed in IPA than I am make that change?) • WarpFlyght (talk) 03:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation of Atlanta 

message: I restored the table to data from The Weather Channel website.  Usually, averages are given for the past 30-year record, that is, the averages from 1971-2000.  This is standard and the NWS usually does this.  Giving averages for the entire climate record is not the typical practice.  On the other hand, TWC gives record highs and lows all the way back to at least 1881.  While the location of the measuring station in most cases has moved since then (typically from a city center to an airport), it still gives and indication of the temperatures that are possible in the area.  In this respect, TWC has longer records.  I think the Weatherbase website should only be cited in this case if some other fact needs to be supported (like number of days with rains, percent sunshine, # of clear days, etc.).
All of this might be moot, though, as it seems many people who edit the climate section insert numbers to their liking that are not supported by either source.  Thanks. Ufwuct 15:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate data source

message: Within the article it states that the name Atlanta is derived from a feminisation of Atlantic; although the trivia section of Atalanta maintains that Atalanta is the indirect source. Shouldn't this be resolved? 81.208.165.173 21:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: So is it true that Atlanta is building a new civil rights musuem?  I've heard talk about it being near the aquarium...if true, maybe a mention in the article? 131.96.170.32 20:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You've heard right, but the project is still in the planning phase — and no location has been chosen yet, although Coca-Cola has offered the deed for the land by the aquarium. We should probably add this when the issue is more settled. —GGreeneVa 17:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil Rights Musueum 

message: Can we please settle on a lead image without randomly swapping in photos, without comment or discussion on the talk page, of arguably low quality and/or that don't represent the full skyline? As I said yesterday, in an edit summary -- a tool we should all use, by the way (ahem!) -- the current pic, certainly put there in good faith, doesn't work. It leaves the skyline too blurry to make out, and the thick orange-ish smog makes matters worse.
Please, please, let's just stop it. We can certainly find a good, clear picture, and keep it there, without this needless shuffle. —GGreeneVa 06:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lead image shuffle (rant) 

message: *Support - As long as exceptions are allowed to exist, I'll support this move. If this is opposed, then all the exceptions - Chicago, Philadelphia, Montreal, and any others - should be changed too. - BillCJ 06:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: The 4-0-4?  I've never heard it called that.  Any sources? Akubhai 17:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: Is it true that the Atlanta metro area is expanding down to Macon? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Soglad2005 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlanta Metro Expanding??? 

message: This section has been edited quite a bit, and I understand the point is not to include every private school -- merely "notable" ones -- however, unless someone can explain to me why two of Weber's feeder schools -- Greenfield Hebrew Academy and the Epstein School, and its chief rival, Yeshiva Atlanta (which I believe has a lower enrollment than Weber) are somehow more notable than Weber, then I disagree with its removal.  I think all four schools either need to stay in, or all four need to go, but to delete one without investigating whether its inclusion has merit is not right. Danahuff 16:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Private Schools 

message: I ran across this statement in the Demographics section, and I highly doubt its accuracy: "...Metro Atlanta, however, is a highly diverse landscape with communities from nearly every major ethnic group on Earth and no single race holds a majority status. The Metro area is approximately 43% White, 27% Black, and 30% other..." While I do not live in Atlanta, and have never been there, I am very skeptical that this is true. Even larger, more established metros do not demonstrate such high diversity, as the mostly-white suburbs far outnumber the mostly-minority city. If it can be verified, fine, but until then, it needs to be left out. I removed it. DBQer 01:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Better yet, I'm adding a  tag to it.  Will remove dubious information in a couple days if no source.--Loodog 02:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Come on folks, US population figures are one of the easiest things to fact check; per the 2000 census, the Atlanta MSA is 63% white, 28.9% black, 3.3% asian, 2.8% other and 1.7% mixed. As to the supposed exponential growth rates of Hispanics, well, that might be overstating it a bit; while the growth from 2000-2005 in the 10-county core area was substantially non-white - 73%, it was only 22.6% Hispanic. Cite still needed on  the other ethinic communities statement. AUTiger » talk 04:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

text: History and Giving Context for Atlanta Demographics - perhaps add numbers to population chart?
While Fulton County did not encompass all of what is today's Atlanta SMSA, I think it is misleading to provide only Atlanta city population numbers in the mid-19th c. While the city was established as a railroad terminus, it didn't exist by itself.
In 1860 Fulton County had a total of 14,427 people.  There were 2955 enslaved African-Americans, 20.5% of the population.  While much of north GA was characterized by yeoman farmers who held few slaves, both Cobb and Fulton County also had planters (defined by historians as holding 20 or more slaves), who held numerous slaves for labor on large cotton plantations. 
(I know more about Roswell in Cobb county, than Fulton, but the origins of major planters and the slaves they brought with them are likely similar. Roswell King and planters he invited to join him in his enterprise (at what became Roswell) were from the coast. According to material online by the Roswell Historical Society, King brought 36 slaves from his coastal plantation and bought another 42 at Darien, GA, to take with him to work on building his house, the cotton mill, and supporting buildings. Archibald Smith brought 36 slaves with him from his coastal plantations in St. Marys County and created a 300-acre cotton plantation in Roswell. King's idea was to have cotton production AND processing in the same place. (www.roswellhs.org; www.archibaldsmithplantation.org)
The forced migration of slaves from the coast to north GA meant they brought their unique Geechee culture and language with them.  Where slaves were held in larger numbers on plantations, it's likely they kept their culture and traditions going. In 1850 the six largest slaveholders in Roswell held 200 slaves, nearly 10% of the total in the county.  1850 US Slave Schedules, Cobb Co, GA [db on-line], US Census Bureau, The Generations Network, Provo, UT, 2000; www.ancestry.com, and "Historical Census Browser", http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/stats/histcensus.) 
Atlanta and Fulton County more than doubled in population from 1860 to 1870. People rushed to rebuild the city  after the war.  In a migration pattern typical of other areas after the Civil War, many newly freed African-Americans left plantations to move to town to work at trades or crafts, to have safety in numbers and to try to set up lives apart from white control.  
By 1870 Fulton County had grown to 33,446 people.  Among them were 15,282 "colored", as defined by the census, 45.7% of the population. 
Parkwells 21:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RACIAL MAKEUP of Atlanta's metro 

message: The introduction is hardly introductory.  It's way the hell too long.  Compare to the intros of featured articles like New York City, and Boston.  There's a lot of trivia up there: how forested the city is, single family housing starts, as well as a whole history of its blackness.  Some of this simply must be removed and placed in its appropriate place in the article.  I'm first stating this here so that regular editors may agree or offer objections before I remove lead material.--Loodog 22:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. Go for it! The usual lead paragraphs count for an article this size is 3-4, while there's 5 hre, one very shour and one very long. I the the CIvil rights/"blackness" paragraph should be moved completelty, while the rest can be cut back. - BillCJ 00:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: WHOA! I didn't see this comment before. While the lead certainly isn't perfect you have now eviscerated one of the most important parts of Atlanta's psyche and culture from the lead.    The Civil Rights movement in Atlanta was a key part of shaping modern Atlanta and to hack all mention of it from the lead shows a serious lack of knowledge of the city.  To compare with your FA article for Providence, Rhode Island, noting the influence of the Civil Rights movement is equally important to Atlanta as silver/jewelry is to Providence and substantially moreso than being "home to eight hospitals and seven institutions of higher learning." I'm restoring pending a more judicious editing that maintains the relevant impact. AUTiger » talk 03:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well.  I have no problem with leaving it as it stands now.--Loodog 01:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: This is a 100kb article when Los Angeles gets by on 80kb, Chicago with 83, the featured articles Boston, Massachusetts, Providence, Rhode Island, and Houston, Texas on 79, 72, and 80 respectively.  There's a lot that can be done to improve the readability of this article.  I've created split off articles for Culture and history, and plan on trimming down those sections soon.--Loodog 03:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming the fat