Talk:Behavior modification facility

message: There are multiple issues with this article. Starting with the neutrality issue raised by author Steven Fruitsmaak above. Steven observes that:
:"This is made abundantly clear by the article's opening line "A behavior modification facility (or youth residential program)". Whoever wrote this is trying to equate behavior modification facilities and youth residential programs"
There is no such thing as a behavior modification facility per se. It is like calling an auto repair shop, mechanic's garage, or auto dealership an "auto repair facility'. Any business that repairs cars is by definition an auto repair facility. Likewise any office that deals in dentistry, be it general practice dentistry, Orthodontia, or Oral Surgery, is a dental medicine facility. Any establishment that engages in behavior modification is a behavior modification facility. It is a generic term and is definitely not limited to  "youth residential programs". Behavior modification techniques are used to treat a variety of problems in both adults and children.
Secondly, the article has few to no reliable sources that pertain to these so called facilities. The supporting citations are to sources on the practice of behavior modification. These references belong in the behavior modification article, not here. To justify this articles notability it needs to have sources that explain or at least refer specifically to the articles subject (these so called facilities).
Thirdly, this article makes extensive use of wikipedia as a source, a practice that violates wiki policy. For example this paragraph should not be included in the article. It is synthesis.
:"Often the practice of behavior modification in facilities comes into question (see recent interest in Judge Rotenberg Educational Center, Aspen Education Group and the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools). Often these types of restrictive issues are discussed as part of ethical and legal standards (see Professional practice of behavior analysis)."
The whole controversy section is a rehash of the same argument repeated here and here. This article seems to exist in order to support the controversy. The reason this article's controversy section exists is to criticize youth programs. Wikipedia is not a forum; the articles must be encyclopedic. An article strictly encyclopedic would merely include citable sources of opposing points of view that are pertinent to the subject (facilities for all age groups) , not focus on a narrow definition of the subject (youth programs).
Finally, the article comes very close to meeting the standards of the deletion policy.
I will attempt to correct these and some of the POV issues after a reasonable amount of time has passed allowing the original authors to address them.
I ♥ ♪♫ (talk) 05:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you all for your comments. I will work on this article after more time has past. The following link is to a discussion of the activism engaged in by contributors to this article as well as many others on similar topics. Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive208#OTRS_related_assistance_needed I ♥ ♪♫ (talk) 16:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple issues 

message: Clearly, the consensus can be summed up by the statement: "I doubt any general statments about youth residental facilities can be made."
This article is basically an essay on the merits of institutions which engage in the use of behavior therapies. Behavior modification is one approach to behavior therapy based on the empirical
nature of applied behavior analysis. The issue being raised in the article is whether operant conditioning in the sense of consequences is beneficial or harmful to the subject. The article demonstrates a misunderstanding of the principles of reinforcement, punishment, and extinction. The controversy is not about abusing the subjects as the two controversy sections would lead one to believe. Discussions of admission criteria and patient rights are not part of behavior modification, those are separate issues which could apply to any institution. The discussion is mute in as much as operant conditioning is a well defined treatment; this article only serves the purpose of facilitating POV content. The history of this article demonstrates that it originated as a criticism of these treatments. Over time it has developed into a collection of random facts mixed with POV. This article should merged into a criticism section in the behavior therapy article. I will create a redirect and do that in the near future. -- Cdw ♥'s ♪ ♫(talk) 04:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus

message: This article has a section for "History and controversy" and another for "controversy". Shouldn't all of the controversy material be moved to one section? 65.60.220.248 (talk) 17:37, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: The section "Some model programs" needs a lot of work. 2601:88:8001:C240:AA1B:9D2B:F2DA:1F73 (talk) 00:59, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose we remove the section entirely. To be frank this article needs a major article. I already removed a part with no cited sources on my own. Colonizor48 (talk) 01:06, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV