Talk:Paradise, California

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: When the town turns into something else, ie. a parking lot, meadow, a theme park or a wildlife preserve, it is still (as far a Wikipedia is concerned) Paradise, California.  - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 22:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. A destroyed town is still a town. Its ruins and geography exist, so I do not see justification in past-tensing everything about it. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 23:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

text: I also agree, although for the time being we could add in something saying something like that most if not all of the town's structures had been destroyed, and the town needs to be rebuilt.JustAnotherWikiUser0816 (talk) 02:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have no problem with that as long as it's well sourced, ie. Calfire or LATimes.  - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 02:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not up to Wikipedia editors to state that the town "needs" to be rebuilt. That is up to local and state authorities, insurance companies and those who lost homes and businesses. And unless California revokes its incorporation, it will still be a town. Perhaps a town of 1000 residents instead of 27,000 residents, but still a town. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:01, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with both you two's points. JustAnotherWikiUser0816 (talk) 04:10, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Is there a precendt or MOS for this sort of thing? Looks like there are editors acting in good faith, thinking that the town no longer exists, and using the past tense. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 15:11, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: For all USA community articles in English wikipedia, we use the legal description from each state.  An incorporated town, such as Paradise, will continue to be a town until it is legally unincorporated by the state.  Just because buildings are destroyed doesn't mean that no one will rebuild, nor does it mean that land ownership under the former building are taken away from the owners.  Good faith doesn't trump ignorance of state law.  • Sbmeirow • Talk • 03:31, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a link to the relevant state law(s) that would cover this? Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is / Was ? 

message: Are we seriously relying on Barbara Mikkelson as such an expert on the etymology of Paradise, California that she can serve as the authoritative arbiter on various claims?    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.220.10 (talk) 15:52, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: WaPo article
The article as it is needs to be revamped with more information about the scale and amount of the destruction that has just occurred. As of now, this is easily the most significant event in the town's history. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 14:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what you're asking for, it's been known the town was destroyed from day one. You're free to add what ever sourced content you think is missing. - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 14:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe there should be more descriptive prose about the scale of the destruction, as well as more emphasis. For one, the fire should be mentioned above the infobox. Other towns destroyed/severely affected by fire like Marysville in Australia and Fort McMurray in Canada get the same treatment. The Marysville article also gets into detail about what buildings were destroyed. We should try to quantify the extent of the destruction for our readers is what I'm trying to get at. Simply saying the town "was destroyed" only really tells us that the majority of the town suffered >50% damage, as is the definition of destruction in CA. I would say many of the buildings in town suffered much greater than 50% damage, and we should add info to reflect that. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 19:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Respectfully, , they haven't even located all the dead yet. No one sat down and wrote the definitive history of the Civil War in April, 1865. Sources are mainly focused on the salvage and recovery operations at this time. There is no need to hurry up and add info that may have to be rewritten later. We serve the long view. Outside of updating numbers as the sources publish (and agree on), there's not going to be much to do here until info definitive info on what's gone (which IMO shouldn't be our focus) and what has survived starts being widely reported. John from Idegon (talk) 21:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington Post now saying the town is "pretty much destroyed" 

message: It is at least 56.
--Mortense (talk) 18:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The official article about the fire is Camp Fire (2018).  Most recent death counts are for the overall fire, not just for the town of Paradise.  • Sbmeirow • Talk • 10:01, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating the toll 

message: * Update death toll in intro section from 42 to 71.
* Update death tool in 2018 Fire section from 23 to 71.
* Update number of missing in 2018 Fire section from "over 100" to 1,011.
* Stay on top of this stuff. The article is several days out of date.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-wildfires/teams-search-for-1000-missing-in-californias-deadliest-wildfire-idUSKCN1NM0DJ 2601:602:9A00:3526:FC00:F4BF:2F:2FB (talk) 17:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Calm down, the article will be updated in due time.  - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 17:51, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  You want current info, go to CNN.  This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper.  If you look at the discussions above, we are waiting until the numbers stop changing daily to update. John from Idegon (talk) 18:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I overhauled the intro.  The article about the fire is "Camp Fire (2018)", thus the total fire death & destruction counts shouldn't be duplicated in both articles.  Since most news reports are currently stating the total number of deaths for the entire fire, we can't use those death counts for the town of Paradise, because people have died in Concow, California and other rural locations too.  Editors need to use official sources that clearly breaks down the death count by community.  • Sbmeirow • Talk • 10:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for actually doing something about the inaccuracies in the article instead of telling me to "calm down." Your solution makes perfect sense. The earlier comments from others are a perfect illustration of why I've never bothered to create an account for my edits. Too many editors with attitudes. 2601:602:9A00:3526:462:E88B:1518:BC4F (talk) 23:40, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2018 

message: The Mercury News repeatedly refers to the town as "Paradise Ridge."   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.149.110.214 (talk) 13:10, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another name 

message: Is anybody interested in adding that the 2019 Paradise High school football team went undefeated and has won their first playoff game? 64.30.97.172 (talk) 04:09, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Paradise High School football team

message: Staff of The Wall Street Journal Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting Finalist regarding Pacific Gas and Electric Company and the Camp Fire (2018):
*For revelatory work showing how a California utility’s neglect of its equipment caused countless wildfires, including one that wiped out the town of Paradise and killed 85 people. (series of RSs) Pulitzer.org
X1\ (talk) 08:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pultizer Finalist WSJ RSs re PG&E, add? 

message: This article is outdated, Adventist Health Feather River has reopened. Also Maranatha Volunteers International, built sheds for Paradise. Catfurball (talk) 23:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated