Talk:Self-propelled gun

message: So where exactly is the line between a tank and a self-propelled howitzer? They look very similar. Do self-propelled howitzers just have longer ranges? --The High Fin Sperm Whale (talk) 05:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Self-propelled howitzers usually have little or no armor. They also mount (usually) low-velocity howitzers suitable for indirect fire (their primary role), while tanks usually have high-velocity guns. The turrets found on some self-propelled howitzers are usually to provide NBC (nuclear-biological-chemical) protection for the crew. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 22:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move.  The argument for the move, which is based on WP:COMMONNAME, is weakened by the nominators own comment that many are called "guns" or "gun-howitzers".  Further no evidence was given to support the move while some evidence, albeit weak, was given in opposition.  Taken together I find consensus to be opposed to this move. Dpmuk (talk) 12:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *All of the so-called SPGs had howitzers. Some are called "gun-howitzers" and others just use "guns" but are howitzers by nature. The previous article's claims that anti-air guns and tank destroyers were SPGs were outrageously false. Marcus Qwertyus  01:16, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *Why are they called gun crews and not howitzer crews?  It might be worth reading :gun. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *English can be rather silly sometimes. Gun used to be an ambiguous term but has recently come to be associated with flat trajectory weaponry (hence the name change). The definitions of many other artillery terms like howitzer and mortar have flip-flopped from time to time. Marcus Qwertyus  04:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

text: *Self-propelled howitzers are a completely different thing from mortars and tank destroyers. Marcus Qwertyus  14:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: * That's why the page should be split into two, and this rebuilt as an overview article of all self-propelled guns, such as self-propelled artillery units, mortar units, tank destroyers. Indeed SPGs frequently refers to tank destroyers instead of howitzers. 65.93.12.93 (talk) 04:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *Not where I come from. :) Marcus Qwertyus  05:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: * WWII vets use the two interchangeably... and the internet shows modern usage of SPG as tank destroyer  65.94.46.54 (talk) 09:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

text: * That's a neologism and is strictly disallowed. Marcus Qwertyus  15:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's use of "gun-howitzer" you are referring to. I don't think it is in common use and I don't have material to hand that directly attaches it to say the 25 pdr, so I'll have to pass on that. The British use of "Ordnance" rather than either "gun" or "howitzer" in official naming is also unhelpful (though you do get documents like "Gun Equipment 25-pr Mks 2/1, 3/1 & 4 on Ram Carriage" which I'm guessing is the Sexton). FV 433 Field Artillery, Self-Propelled "Abbot" muddies the water too, though according to its article AS-90 is officially "Gun Equipment 155 mm L131". GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: Why are there no citations? I just added a few.Osian 2007 (talk) 09:08, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: I propose this article be redirected to Self-propelled artillery. Many things have changed since a retitling was last proposed in 2010. For disclosure, I have changed the target of Self-propelled howitzer to "Self-propelled artillery", as the former is clearly a subset of the latter in many cases (I recognize that some assault guns have/had howitzers). The articles on Self-propelled artillery, Assault gun, Tank destroyer, and Self-propelled anti-aircraft weapon have all grown, with "Self-propelled anti-tank gun" redirected to "Tank destroyer", as the TD article now includes several SPATs. The SPG article included at one time a list of vehicles of these types, but several years ago that was removed for no citations. This article still has no sources at all. I've already duplicated most of this article's "tie them together" functionality (which it currently pretty much doesn't) by linking the relevant articles in each others' "See also" sections where needed. This article would need a lot of work that has already been done at the other articles. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 04:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinging ,  RobDuch (talk·contribs) 22:42, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect proposal