Talk:Chilean Spanish

message: The following links in the References section should be revised and deleted if there is agreement on their scarce contribution:
13 Chilean Spanish & Chileanisms http://www.contactchile.cl/ retrieved June 27, 2013
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23 http://www.confort.cl/productos/. Missing or empty |title= (help)
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7 Language of Chile: Chileanismos, Castellano and indigenous roots www.thisischile.cl - February 22, 2011, retrieved August 08,2013
This is an article, which although has some true contents, it does have some clear mistakes, like wrong meanings ("filo"), misleading definitions ("-po" is equivalent to "pues", or "so" in English, not "nothing"), and considering as "Chilean Spanish" words that are mostly youngsters modern slang not a common cultural nuance. It seems as if this article had been created ad hoc.  There must be a more academic and justified reference for this kind of content.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Trakker (talk • contribs) 23:18, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: References that require revision or deletion

message: In spite of the Lipski cite (and I must say, his knowledge of Chilean Spanish is apparently entirely second-hand), the regional variation in Chilean Spanish is *minimal*. Amazingly so, in fact. I don't have a cite for this at the moment, and so I'm not changing anything, but this should be noted.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.20.224.149 (talk) 20:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged large variation between north, central and south

message: can you do that, or would it be considered a "list", i think lists are, no-nos? 67.150.49.106 23:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Start an article for the Chilean Vernacular/Variants?

message: How do I ask to delete this page?
Baloo rch 00:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You would follow the procedures at Articles for Deletion cmh 02:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have not read the Spanish version of this article yet, but I volunteer to translate that and/or fix this English version as much as possible to avoid deleting it altogether. -Daniel Villalobos 14:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  A translation of the Spanish article would be much more appropriate, although an expanded section or a separate list of localised word usage (even including some pan-Latin-American words) would be appropriate still.150.203.2.85 03:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete this page

message: The voseo and tuteo section has a link to disrespective, which is something so completely off topic (some rock album) that it is clear that this is not what the author originally intended. However, I do not have sufficient knowledge of Spanish to figure out what could be correct. Any ideas? --Mashford 16:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disrespective? 

message: Oye loko, no podi dejar a Chile tan mal parado po.... "Bistec con bigotes" que onda! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DjComposite (talk • contribs) 21:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Que onda con el "bistec con bigotes" 

message: the article says "There are patriotic first names given to many Chileans, like Bernardo from liberator general Bernardo O'Higgins, Pablo from 1970's poet Pablo Neruda, and Patrico/Patriote (as in "Patriotic") for boys, and Patria (feminine form of Patrico), Michelle (pronounced "Mi Chile") and Chloe/Chiloe for girls"
i have live 30 years in Chile and i ´m never have met someone called PATRICO or CHILOE. nor Bernardo is a common name in chile, and Pablo was common far before PAblo Neruda. Michelle doesnt sounds as "mi chile" and i have never meet a girl Patrica... who make this shit up??? quién inventa tanta weá junta!!!
:Probably a Chilean... I deleted it. --Lin linao 05:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: In reality platano and banana are two different fruits, so it would just be a common mistake to call bananas platanos, not some kind of slang. Not unlike the mistake that bandaids are bandaids (ya, in english), that's just a brand, the world would be an adhesive bandage. That's sucessful marketing for ya. --Eduardo 00:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, bananas and plátanos are names for two varieties of a same plant: es:Musa x paradisiaca. The usage varies among countries, and in Chile, almost aren't sold green bananas/plátanos, called plátanos in many countries. Bye. Lin linao 17:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bananas 

message: To be consistent with other Spanish dialectology, shouldn't this be renamed Chilean Spanish? Like, for example, Mexican Spanish, Puerto Rican Spanish, Andalusian Spanish, Rioplatense Spanish, etc.? --Miskwito 21:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh wait...it was named that...and then CieloEstrellado moved it, in January. I can't find anywhere where Cielo discusses the move. Cielo, what were your reasons? --Miskwito 21:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hrm, and the move made the "AFD cleanup" tag have a red link, rather than pointing to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chilean_Spanish. That's a rather big problem. I can't think of any reasons at all to have the page have this name rather than "Chilean Spanish", which has at least two arguments in its favor (consistency and a correct link to the AFD discussion). Plus "Chilean Spanish" follows the phrasology one would find in any academic publications on dialectology; "Spanish spoken in Chile" communicates roughly the same idea, but in a longer, more imprecise, and less standard way. Since the article was moved in the first place without discussion, I think I'm going to move it back by tomorrow if no one objects. --Miskwito 00:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree. The name "Spanish spoken in Chile" it is not only for the dialect known as "Chilean Spanish": there are speakers of español andino (Andean Spanish?) in the north of country and speakers of another dialect in Chiloe. Bye. --Lin linao 05:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title

message: I don't know if this was the intention, but the most of the examples are being treated as comments and hence ignored. Another issue, "salmón" is synonymous with "anaranjado" for many Chileans. Although it is unsourced, it is true. Jespinos 02:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I deleted many examples because they were erroneous or weren't only chilenismos. About second issue, are you sure? "salmón" isn't "orange", it is a pinkish orange or orangean pink ;). Bye. Lin linao 05:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: im pretty sure salmón is orange, my mother is from chile and always calls oranges or pumpkins salmon colored in english, somthing we argue over a lot until i learned that most chileans refer to anaranjado/orange as salmon/salmón.Cholga 04:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually this color is "salmón" and this is "naranjo". Pumpkins always are "naranjos", melons can be "salmón", oranges always are "naranjas" ;D. Lin linao 08:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples 

message: The article in its current state is miserable--entirely unsourced, full of probably original research... It's been tagged for this stuff for over a year, and the deletion debate in which it was urged "time to get working on the cleanup, guys!" was also over a year ago. I've drafted a new version of the article over at User:Miskwito/Notes, which I'd like to ask everyone to take a look at and make suggestions on. Among the changes: (1) removing unsourced statements from all the sections, including (2) scrapping most of the stuff on vocabulary and slang and examples, which appears to be mostly made up of OR, (3) then rewriting the phonology, pronoun, and vocabulary sections, and (4) citing my rewritten version with a published source (John Lipski's Latin American Spanish). If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions or comments or the like, I'd greatly appreciate it; but either way, this article needs a major revision, and needs it soon. --Miskwito 19:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An avalaible (and reliable) source in the Internet is El dialecto más austral del español: fonética del español de Chile ("The southernmost dialect of Spanish: Phonetics of Chilean Spanish"). Bye. --Lin linao 14:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aah, ¡una página fantástica! ¡Muchas gracias por mostrármela! --Miskwito 19:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...hmm...pero, ¿qué fuente me hace falta para leer las transcripciones en esa página? --Miskwito 19:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't know, I've the same problem. The description is useful for understanding sounds that are referred here. Bye./ No lo sé, tengo el mismo problema. La descripción ayuda a entender qué sonidos se están explicando. Saludos. --Lin linao 04:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with the changes propose by Miskwito. The article needs a deep cleaning. Dentren | Talk 11:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Major revision

message: the article have (or had) a very long slang vocabulary section. I dont know if it my percepcion of Chilean Spanish but I have the feeling that most Chileans use far more slang than other Spanish speaking people. Is there any reliable source that can state that? I think the slang is an integral part of Chilean Spanish and it should obviosly be in the article, but to make a list of slang seems to me very "unscientific" unless the list is the result of a scientific research. Many contributions about slang have "sunk" the quality of the rticle instead of improving it.  
Apart from that, I have heard of a long essay/work about the use of the word "huevon" made by a Gernman "philologist". If somebody could find that work it could be very useful. Dentren | Talk 11:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: About slang

message: *Cahuín (from Mapudungun)
*Cachai (from English)
*Chomba (from Quechua or Aymara)
*Kuchen (from German)
*Pichintún (from Mapudungun)
*Pitear (from Quechua)
*Quiltro  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dentren (talk • contribs) 20:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of vocabulary needing citation to be introduced into the article

message: Chiches and Money have not the same meaning. Chaucha is closely related to Dinero (Money) but is not a synonym for it. Another word related to Money and that bears some similarity in writing with Chiches is Chinchín (Pagar al chinchín can be translated as Pay in cash). Could somebody check the source given for clarifying this? Jespinos (talk) 23:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chiches

message: The word "Huevón" and it's derivatives should be included in the article, as they are very important in the Chilean Slang Bunder (talk) 14:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know,but it is difficult to find a good source. I heard once about a work made by a german where the usage of "huevón" is adressed.Dentren | Talk 16:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

text: cite inciclopedie, there the y use the weon a lot lol  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.74.40.80 (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huevón 

message: Is it just me, my family, relatives and friends whom are from Chile who does not use "eres", but instead uses "soy" in every place eres should be used?
I remember talking to a person from Spain and seeing him get confused got me thinking about it. If that's the case, it should really be mentioned on this page as it's a major difference from other dialect of spanish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.217.72.167 (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Words soy ("I am") and sói ("you are") sound the same, [soj]. However, sói comes from vos sois, a polite and archaic form alike English "thou arst". Bye. --Lin linao (talk) 22:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soy/Eres 

message: In Chilean Spanish, it seems that in their context, it's the word "vos" that seems to be a vulgar word, and not the conjugation itself. Just like how in Castilian Spanish, "coger" is a non-vulgar word, while in the Latin American world, it's seen as vulgar. Does anyone know if there are any parts of Chile where it is normal to use "vos" + the voseo verbal conjugation, and where it's not seen as vulgar?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.242.125 (talk) 14:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note: Coger (to grab or take) is not a vulgar word in the "Latin American world" as long as the context of its usage is appropiate.--MarshalN20 | Talk 15:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Spaniards speak distinctly from others, so their word usage will generally receive attention. I don't think the Argentine speech usage of "vos" would be considered vulgar. However, considering Chileans aren't fond of Argentineans, their speech will probably not generate many happy faces. Hope that helped. Best regards.--MarshalN20 | Talk 03:54, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More about vos 

message: There is something that is not mentioned in the article, and that is how the Es- is kicked completely in words with is as the beginning.
For example;
Escribir = Crivir
Escuchar = Cushar
Estar = Tar
As far as I can tell from my own pronunciation, the e- is pronounced if it is the first word of a sentence (pronouncd like a short e)
ex "Eccushame por favor!". "No, no quiero Cusharte."
Oh yeah, and maybe it should be mentioned that a result of the s elision is that the vowels before them get a shortening-quality, something that does not occur in other dialects of the spanish language (even though short vowels are common in German, which happen to be my second language).
Just thought it would be a good thing to add, considering the fact that the intrusive e- at the beginning of sc- words is a major feature in the Spanish language.
Peace out! --81.216.64.210 (talk) 00:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estar and so forth 

message: The word "confort" meaning "toilet paper" is mentioned as imported from French, but it seems like it's actually a genericized trademark, namely a common brand of toilet paper in Chile. If that's the case, I think the word should be removed from the list, or at least a reference should be made to its usage as a trademark.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.155.16.36 (talk) 22:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confort 

message: It seems that the comments on this Talk page stopped coming over two years ago. Can someone help to identify which of the problems mentioned above have been solved and which ones remain? For example, the word "disrespective" no longer appears in the article: it is no longer an issue. What would anyone think of marking with <S>strikethrough</S> those comments that are no longer relevant to the article in its current form (done preferably by their respective authors)?  There was a suggestion to translate the Spanish article on this topic:  What became of it?  I don't see a strong resemblance between the two articles. Was that translation ever done? Kotabatubara (talk) 16:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What problems remain? 

message: Under "Phonetics and phonology" the second item, on seseo, mentions an apicoalveolar /s/ in "much of the Andean region". Can we get a reference to document this?  Lipski (p. 199) says "There is no noteworthy regional variation in pronunciation of /s/, except in the extreme northeast along the border with Bolivia, where some retention of sibilant [as opposed to debuccalized?] [s] is found among Aymara speakers." Nor does the ultra-observant Canfield (pp. 31-33) mention an apicoalveolar. Which one is true? Kotabatubara (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apicoalveolar /s/? 

message: Under "Phonetics and phonology", the section on aspiration of final /s/ gives the example "Thus, los chilenos ("the Chileans") can be [lɔh t͡ʃiˈleːnɔ]."  Does the use of [ɔ] mean that we are claiming that the vowel opens when /s/ is aspirated or lost, like in Andalusia?  Where is that documented? Kotabatubara (talk) 16:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Some kind of phonetic modification of the precedent vowel is probably very common among "s-aspirating" dialects. However, as far as I know, only in South-eastern Spain (Murcia, Eastern Andalusia and a few adjoining areas) does the phonological contrast rely exclusively on vowel quality. --Jotamar (talk) 17:45, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vowel opening with aspirated /s/? 

message: I know it has these 3 tenses so far in the indicative form:
* Present: hablái, comí(s), and viví(s).
* Imperfect: hablabai, comíai, and vivíai
* Conditional: hablaríai, comeríai, and viviríai
But, is it also possible to have the preterite or future tenses in Chilean Voseo? I may be wrong though, but I have made predictions based on that.
* Preterite: hablaite or hablastis, comite or comistis, and vivite or vivistis
* Future: hablarái, comerái, and vivirái
(AnthonyAnything (talk) 00:42, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preterite / Future tense in Chilean Spanish 

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message: "In Chile there are various ways to say 'you are' to one person.
*Vo(s) soi
*Vo(s) erí(s)
*Tú soi
*Tú erí(s)
*Tú eres
*Usted es
The first four are considered ¿uneducated? speaking and the ending (s) in these forms is omitted or aspirated, and the educated speaker employs only the last two cases."
I have to say that it is not a matter of education or not, the usage of these forms are more related to formality, and politeness depending on context. "Tú erí(s)" is considered informal, not uneducated, it is the most common way to say "you are" among friends of any age or social class. "Vo(s) soi" may be considered more agressive than "Tú erí(s)", not necessarily uneducated. Even "Usted es" may be considered uneducated as an exesive or out of context formality. I think it is a matter of connotation and context in what you are trying to express, way more important than how educated you are. The more educated you are, the more precisely you can choose which way to say 'you are' is the best for what you want to express, that's the point.  
--Tommy Boy (talk) 22:49, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. It is not a matter of education but politeness, formality, social relationships and geography. There are tons of refs, I remember a work by Kelley Bishop. Regards. Lin linao (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  only a matter of education? 

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: Im going to review this section because I realized it is very confusing mixing argentine, coa, and colloquial chilean spanish words and their origins. The sources are good but badly used here. Tommy Boy (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argentine influence 

message: The table in this section is full of valuable information, but why is it in an encyclopedia article about Chilean Spanish?  Wikipedia has an article Spanish dialects and varieties where it would be more appropriate.  Can this table be moved?  If I want to learn about Puerto Rican vocabulary, I would never think of going to Chilean Spanish to find it. Kotabatubara (talk) 15:18, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Differences among Spanish dialects" 

message: The section on "Vocabulary" includes "arrastre - to have influence on others".  Is this a verb, or a noun?  Kotabatubara (talk) 16:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a noun, so I guess it should be defined as influence on others. --Jotamar (talk) 00:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: "arrastre":  verb or noun?

message: The paragraph that starts with "A 2014 article argues ..." contains what is clearly a fringe theory that I personally find ludicrous. It completely ignores the original vos/vosotros conjugation, which is the source of all voseante forms in the Americas. However I don't feel like simply deleting the paragraph, or at least not before hearing other opinions. Please discuss. Jotamar (talk) 23:34, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that to this article - you can get rid of most or all of it. That same weird synchronic, generative analysis of Chilean and Rioplatense voseo also has a section dedicated to it on the main voseo article, which is where I found that article cited. Erinius (talk) 20:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fringe theory