Talk:Kevin Heffernan (actor)

message: So today, the legendary User:Praxidicae redirected most of the members of Broken Lizard to the troupe article. I objected, and was challenged to source the articles. Sigh. No good deed goes unpunished. See User_talk:Praxidicae#Steve_Lemme_and_Kevin_Heffernan_(actor). 
This section will serve to list sources that will be used to provide references for the article. Probably by me, but if someone else wants to help, great! Many of these are interviews, which ... wp:interview ... If we were using these for Wikipedia:Notability, there could be a problem, but we're not, we're relying on WP:NACTOR to pass Wikipedia:Notability. We're going to be using these to back non-controversial facts about the subject, as said by the subject, in other words WP:ABOUTSELF. Some of these are also more reliable sources than others, if we can use the best ones we will. --GRuban (talk) 19:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you've pinged me here with a bad attempt at subtle snark, you're missing a big part of it: WP:ABOUTSELF is sufficient to verify facts about a subject, it is not sufficient to establish notability. Being the main character in one movie with several others in part of a larger group is probably enough to redirect and merge to an article. Having minor roles in a bunch of other films and without meaningful coverage of the individual, does not make one notable. Also half of your sources are blatantly unreliable, newsbreak.com, for example is garbage, it's an aggregate site that scrapes from other places (and in this case, one that is unreliable.) Praxidicae (talk) 19:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! Yup, I addressed both of those points in what I wrote, these aren't to establish notability, and some are better than others, and we'll use the best ones when we can. I'll appreciate your help. --GRuban (talk) 19:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Your understanding of sourcing leaves a lot to be desired and no you did not "address" any of the issues I brought up. Merely appearing in films or shows doesn't satisfy any part of NACTOR, despite your interpretation. It's about whether or not it's a main character and whether or not the individual has received coverage. Having 500 credits as "Guy A behind counter smoking a cigarette" does not make anyone notable. Praxidicae (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm going to take the liberty to move the discussion parts together, and the source list together. Agree with your facts; except the part where you seem to think that I'm mad at you. I'm not, I realize you're doing your best to improve the Wikipedia. Together, we'll make this a much better article than it was. --GRuban (talk) 19:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources to use for references 

message: :Since you've pinged me here with a bad attempt at subtle snark, you're missing a big part of it: WP:ABOUTSELF is sufficient to verify facts about a subject, it is not sufficient to establish notability. Being the main character in one movie with several others in part of a larger group is probably enough to redirect and merge to an article. Having minor roles in a bunch of other films and without meaningful coverage of the individual, does not make one notable. Also half of your sources are blatantly unreliable, newsbreak.com, for example is garbage, it's an aggregate site that scrapes from other places (and in this case, one that is unreliable.) Praxidicae (talk) 19:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! Yup, I addressed both of those points in what I wrote, these aren't to establish notability, and some are better than others, and we'll use the best ones when we can. I'll appreciate your help. --GRuban (talk) 19:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Your understanding of sourcing leaves a lot to be desired and no you did not "address" any of the issues I brought up. Merely appearing in films or shows doesn't satisfy any part of NACTOR, despite your interpretation. It's about whether or not it's a main character and whether or not the individual has received coverage. Having 500 credits as "Guy A behind counter smoking a cigarette" does not make anyone notable. Praxidicae (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm going to take the liberty to move the discussion parts together, and the source list together. Agree with your facts; except the part where you seem to think that I'm mad at you. I'm not, I realize you're doing your best to improve the Wikipedia. Together, we'll make this a much better article than it was. --GRuban (talk) 19:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion