Talk:Bowling

message: Why is there no mention in the equipment section about the use of talcum or powder on hands?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.7.167.250 (talk) 19:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Powder used on hands in bowling

message: ::Moved to top for importance 11/8/07 Tigreye007 14:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of problems with this page 

message: I heard that the reason there is ten pins is because nine pin bowling was outlawed in many colonies due to gambling and such.  well, this displeased most practitioners of the sport, but a large loophole was found: throw in another pin and it is no longer nine pins, but ten pins, making it therefore legal.
History Question*** What are the ref. to the statement that bowling originated in Finland and Yemen? Thank you. Mazighe 09:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: As the heading indicates, someone explain this.
The reason there are bowling shoes is because proper delivery of a bowling ball requires an approach to the lane (usually 4 or 5 steps), which requires sliding at the end (for a right hander, you slide on your left foot). If a skilled bowler were to take a normal approach wearing a normal shoe or sneaker, they would not slide, and their forward momentum would cause them to fall (and hurt themselves). 
The reason why bowling proprietors require normal people to wear bowling shoes is because even if you are delivering the ball by walking slowly up to the lane, the forward movement of throwing the ball will make you slide. If you wear regular shoes, you may stick and fall. 
Additionally, since regular shoes can scuff the lanes or deposit dirt on the lanes, it can cause other bowlers to slide improperly and hurt themselves.
Bowling shoes are made with special soles that enable you to slide. While shoes you rent have sliding soles on each foot, shoes bought for the personal use of serious bowlers have different soles (the major brands of bowling shoes include Dexter and Linds). For a right hander, the left foot sole is made to encourage sliding, whereas the right foot is made of materials intended to allow your foot to grip the floor better for greater traction. I hope this answers your question. 
--MMan710 17:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This should be mentioned in the article.  I think that bowling ball technology itself is sufficiently complex that it needs its own article.  There is a lot more stuff (bowling ball bags, shoes, resin, wrist stabilizers, etc.) that can be listed under this article's 'technology' heading. - IstvanWolf 22:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. The bowling ball technology section also has several problems and inaccuracies, with some poorly written sections (like the sentence you removed). When I have more time I plan to edit it and remove them. --MMan710 19:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why are there bowling shoes?

message: I am not an expert at this wiki thing, but I noticed that the pins are labeled as penis's in the first paragraph of the wiki page. I figured Id let people know it was there, although I am reluctant to change it because I can not be 100 percent sure its not called that somewhere else.
I removed the following, as the latter part is un-encyclopedic and the whole thing is pretty much self-evident (in what real-life example do people with money *not* buy the most advanced gadgets for use in whatever pursuits they are engaged?):
"Many advanced bowlers frequently buy new, improved bowling balls to try to obtain an advantage over their opponents, and all have access, at least as far as their bank accounts can go." - IstvanWolf 22:57, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Sections/Sentences 

message: The article Ten-pin bowling is currently undergoing a peer review to bring it up to featured article status.  As others who are interested in bowling, I invite you to leave your comments--Danaman5 04:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ten-pin bowling peer review 

message: I read somewhere about how some compound called "reactive resins" has really changed the game recently...but no mention of it here?--Hooperbloob 07:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reactive resins

message: I don't know who invented bowling, but I doubt it was him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.252.103.111 (talk) 02:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it too. Thanks for that. Alex43223 Talk | Contribs | E-mail | C 04:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Even I, a rather gullible person, have my doubts about this Mearnhardtfan 05:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seymour Butts? 

message: Many bowlers in this new era have begun to adopt the 2 handed technique in order to maximize pin action. Pro bowlers Jeff Leiber and John Hopkins have revolutionized this new style sighting a noticable increase in ball speed and acuracy. PBA rules state as long as 2 fingers are in the holes, a second hand is allowed. Traditional one handed style is still used by most of the PBA field.
I removed this information from the article. At the very least, it did not belong where it was. It also lacked citation and struck me as irrelevant. But perhaps this information is appropriate for this article, which is why I've moved it here. If the original contributor (User:Kwd357) wishes to replace it, I ask that it at least be placed somewhere more appropriate than in the lead-in paragraph. TaintedMustard 03:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "2 handed technique": Information removed from article. 

message: This section of the article contains terminology which I, a long time league bowler, have never heard. Perhaps the terminology is different in certain parts of the world, but here in Connecticut, I've always heard the terms like this: strike, double, turkey, 4-bagger, 5-bagger, 6-bagger, 7-bagger, 8-bagger, 9-bagger, 10-bagger, 11-bagger, perfect game.
I'm not asking for the article to be changed, not if the terms in the article are those generally used in most areas. But I have never heard these terms before. I'm curious to see if anyone else has heard the terms I've listed, and what part of the world the terms in the article are used in. Any thoughts? Regards!
:Would the scoring system animations calling the strikes beyond turkeys as "*-baggers'" be reliable enough? ViperSnake151  Talk   21:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology for sets of consecutive strikes? 

message: Bowling Shoes redirects here, but there's not a mention of them or shoes in general on here.  What's up with that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.249.8 (talk) 16:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bowling Shoes 

message: Hi! I came to the page to look up the terms "Strike" and "Spare" but found that no definition is given. Not everyone is familiar with bowling (such as me). I was unable to determine what a strike and spare is after having read this article. From a clueless point of view, I assume that a strike means that all pins are hit and a spare that no pin is hit - but this is just a guess. Assuming I guessed right, I still do not understand what the difference between a spare and a gutter ball is. Again I guess the gutter is the indentation to the left and right. Does that mean that every gutter ball is a spare? Is it called a strike when using the first ball or just when clearing all pins (with both throws and/or the last one?) etc... I think the article needs to introduce and explain these and possibly further terms. Thank you! PhalphalakTalk 20:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strikes and Spares?  

message: no info on how to keep score.  really bad omission.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.29.216.190 (talk) 09:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing key info

message: I think Bowling terms should either be merged with Bowling or moved to List of Bowling terms. Please let me know what you guys think. OverSeer (talk) 00:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong Oppose to Merging Bowling into ten-pin bowling, for various reason including my big reason not to merge is the focus of the 2 articles. The Article about Bowling Covers all types of Bowling not just 10 Pin, Doing so would create a Systemic bias of the topic on hand. Also the Current size of the Ten-pin Bowling article is at over 80 KB doing such a merge will make the article easily over 90 KB and a far worse in violation of WP:SIZE in fact the Ten-pin Bowling article should probably be split off and the merge of Bowling terms should probably be undone or resplit. Gotta remember Ten-pin Bowling is not the only type of Bowling around and therefore for that big reason I am against this merge proposal.  Sawblade5  (talk to me | my wiki life) 05:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose, largely for the same reasons stated by Sawblade5. Additionally, while I can appreciate the idea behind the merge, combining 10-pin with the broader "bowling" would result in readability and structural issues. Jeff Bedford (talk) 01:46, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Oppose; I'm just a random IP, but even I can see merging with a 'ten-pin bowling' would be stupid; for the same reason 'Football' should not be merged with 'Association Football' (despite it being by far the most popular version of 'football'). In fact the problem with the article is actually that the article is far too biased towards American tenpin bowling; effectively ignoring the centuries of history of bowling sports and then concentrating on the only decades old and more localised 10-pin version. This article should start with the old European games like Bocce and Petanque and move towards the more recent stuff - by rights ten pin should be a small section at the bottom, not dominating the entire article. The comments below titled "Worldwide" and "Why is this almost completely unrelated from the "Bowls" article?" are spot on about it.86.182.8.187 (talk) 16:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: There's nothing on how the movie, Grease 2, helped bring the sport out of its 1970's-80's decline. Maybe a brief reference in the history section?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.60.197.203 (talk) 03:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grease 2 reference? 

message: Many parts of the word "bowling" means lawn bowling. I think this usage should reflect that rather than assume it means ten-pin or five-pin. DJ Clayworth (talk) 13:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide 

message: I only found the relation via my own diligence. kind of embarrasing. Don't defend yourselves, just correct it. 71.131.186.156 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this almost completely unrelated from the "Bowls" article? 

message: Wanted to add a section on the main page about different types of ball releases and delivery styles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rvooo91 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ball Release and Delivery Styles

message: This information seems oddly specific for such a general article. Also, the lead in about the development of bowling alleys being important in the 1960s seems like a rather flimsy excuse for the next four paragraphs about  Louis Lesser.  This seems like a thinly veiled case of inserting a biography or perhaps an autobiography into a page where it clearly doesn't belong. Is it hero worship or self promotion? Since it was created by a mere IP address, it's hard to tell.
Also, it is seriously inconsistent,  it says, in reference to bowling alleys " some of which cost tens of millions of dollars (in 1960s dollars)" yet the most expensive one mentioned cost only two million in 1960s dollars!  Did the writer actually mean "in 2011 dollars" or "when adjusted for inflation"?
Someone who actually cares about the integrity of this article should evaluate where this section belongs in it at all! 3Dham 04:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:   1.1 Bowling alleys development 

message: I would propose amending the heading structure of this article to make clearer the sections relating to bowling in general to the specific items about "pin bowling"  Current sections 4-5; 7-8; and 10 relate to variations of pin bowling, and could be made sub sections of heading "Types of Pin Bowling " or similar.  Sections 6 and 9 could be combined to identify the variations of bowling indoor/outdoor, pin v "lawn" bowls and other variations.  the other sections remain valid and could be added to to include references to all bowling variations with possible sub headings for information related to the main variation groups, including See also; In popular culture; health benefits; bowling accessibility.  Re-structure avoids any loss of information already placed here but hopefully provide clarity for all - any thoughts. MasterTTFV (talk) 05:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Structure of headings updated MasterTTFV (talk) 22:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Headings Structure

message: The citations for Martin Luther's purported role in the development of bowling do not appear to be at all authoritative. If you read the first citation, it merely references a brochure which contained a quote attributed to Luther. If you read the second source, it extensively quotes Lutheran Witness Magazine, but does not cite a date or issue number; I have searched the magazine's electronic archives, and have been unable to find anything containing those quotes. Overall, both "sources" feel very much like the sort of thing you would get in a bad email forward. I would suggest removing all references to Martin Luther unless verifiable sources can be found. 
Dowobeha (talk) 23:20, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martin Luther's role in bowling 

message: Seriously, full episode synopses for every TV appearance of bowling? In the main article? Gutenberg weeps Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:20, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop culture 

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message: This article suffers from inadequate sourcing, possibly warranting substantial deletions. There is also a heavy dose of anecdotal text requiring copy editing. Though I'm working on articles related to ten-pin bowling in particular, I don't plan on working on the present Bowling article in the foreseeable future. However, other editors may want to include some of the following content (which has long been improperly included in the Ten-pin bowling article) that I've placed in collapsible text here:
In 1934, British anthropologist Sir Flinders Petrie, along with a team of archaeologists, discovered various primitive bowling balls, bowling pins and other materials in the grave of a protodynastic Egyptian boy dating to , very shortly before the reign of Narmer, one of the very first Egyptian pharaohs. Their discovery represents the earliest known historical trace of bowling.ububu.com bowlingmuseum.com  Others claim that bowling originated in Germany around , as part of a religious ritual in which people would roll stones at clubs (or "kegels") to absolve themselves of sins."The Jordan of ... Bowling". Article in ESPN the Magazine on Mаrch 26, 2008. 
A site in Southampton, England claims to be the oldest lawn bowling site still in operation, with records showing the game has been played on the green there since 1299.Hunsinger, Earl. "Bowling – The Sport of Kings and Working Men". Article at www.buzzle.com The first written reference to bowling dates to 1366, when King Edward III of England banned his troops from playing it so that they could focus more on their archery practice. It is believed that King Henry VIII bowled using cannonballs. Henry VIII also famously banned bowling for all but the upper classes, because so many working men and soldiers were neglecting their trades.
In Germany the game of Kegel (Kegelspiel) expanded. The Kegel game grew in Germany and around other parts of Europe with Keglers rolling balls at nine pins, or skittles, in a diamond formation (1–2–3–2–1). To this day, bowlers in the United States and United Kingdom are also referred to as "keglers".
Ninepin bowling was introduced to the United States from Europe during the colonial era, similar to the game of skittles. It became very popular and was called "Bowl on the Green". The Dutch, English, and Germans all brought their own versions of the game to the New World, where it enjoyed continued popularity, although not without some controversy.
(^ end of expandable text ^) —RCraig09 (talk) 02:15, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major renovation of article (sourcing, deletions, possible sourced additions) 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Bowling shoe. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  – Arms & Hearts (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bowling shoe listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Nine pin tap. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Nine pin tap" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: — Assignment last updated by BLsxu (talk) 04:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: The Editing Process

message: Hello, I have noticed that the scoring information is good for very basic knowledge, but is lacking a bit on how the scoring adds up throughout the game. I would not take away any information from what is already up, and the information I would add is just a little more in depth on spares and strikes.
The specific information I would add is how strikes are worth 10 points plus the points of the next two shots. Also a spare is 10 points plus the next ball rolled. This a school project so if there is any help editing this I am more than open to suggestions, comments, or any help in general. Moose237 (talk) 17:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about bowling in general, but you are describing some of the details of ten-pin bowling in particular (other types of bowling are different in some respects). In "high level" articles such as this, we usually make a summary and provide a link—like the existing "Further information: Ten-pin bowling#Pins and scoring"—to more specific articles. If anything, the /* Scoring */ section here should be trimmed a bit rather than expanded. I think I've saved you a bit of work! :-) Good luck in your studies. —RCraig09 (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scoring; missing information