Talk:Doctor of Science

message: The article as it is written now seems to be confusing and misleading. As far as I know, the ScD at MIT is strictly equivalent to a PhD degree, i.e. it's awarded to a junior scholar (normally in his/her late 20's) upon completion of required coursework, approval in a qualifying examination, and  submission of a doctoral dissertation documenting original and relevant research in a given field. 
At Harvard on the other hand, the SD (or ScD ?) is mainly an honorary degree awarded to senior scholars based on the ensemble of their life's work. SD recepients at the latest (2006) Harvard commencement included for example a Nobel prize laureate in Physics and a top UK mathematician who was already a Fields medal winner and Abel prize laureate. As far as I know,  there is only one graduate program at Harvard , namely in the School of Public Health, that awards ScD or SD degrees which are similar in nature to a PhD. I believe that distinction should be made clear in the article. Mbruno 13:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At Harvard, ScD is not just honorary. The Harvard School of Public Health exclusively awards ScD's for all its doctoral programs. Harvard has a rule that PhD is only awarded from its FAS division (its main Arts and Science division in Cambridge), thus all professional schools at Harvard award other types of doctoral degrees. The ScD is just the type awarded at HSPH. The HSE awards Ed.D., the Divinity School awards Th.D., etc. See here http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2008/06.05/42-degrees.html --70.22.240.100 (talk) 16:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

text: You make a good point in the distinction between honorary and, um, real degrees.  I would say that this distinction is true of all honorary degrees, though.  In any case, feel free to try to add this perspective, but keeping clear the fact that non-honorary ScDs in the US are equivalent to the PhD.  bikeable (talk) 19:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, so a distinction needs to be made between earned degrees (earned the formal name for "real" degrees) and honourary degrees, which are almost always doctorates.  My experience is that some schools have two types of honourary degrees.  Honourary degrees with the same title of earned degrees are sometimes conferred on researchers that never earned a doctorate, but have a long and distinguished career that puts them on par with the best of those that do have earned degrees; this would be an honourary PhD or DSc/ScD (from a school that confers these as earned engineering doctorates).  Other honourary degrees given to prominent politicians and personalities get different titles such as "doctor of letters" or "doctor of arts".  I'd not be at all surprised to see a "doctor of science" from a school that does not use this for an earned degree, but I don't know Harvard well enough to know what they do. Jpgs 02:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Please provide us with the URL to this page, I was not able to find it. Jpgs 02:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ScD in the United States

message: The EPFL issues (at least) two different doctoral degrees: Docteur es Sciences (roughly "doctor of science") and Docteur es sciences techniques (roughly "doctor of technology").  The latter is abbreviated "dr. es sci. tech." I have updated the article correspondingly. Ferridder (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schweiz 

message: Is it useful to write this abbreviations in one distinct matter:
* D.Sc. (or DSc)
* Ph.D. (or PhD)
everywhere in the whole article?
Or was my last editing here too brisk?
(before my editing it looked as if only some dots were missing randomly, so I added the missing ones everywhere)
Jaybear (talk) 12:15, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abrreviation of ''D.Sc. / DSc'' and ''Ph.D. / PhD'' 

message: 1. Though the D.Sc. is now a higher doctorate, this has not always been the case. Until 1917 no British university had the Ph.D. 'on its books' and for studies above the M.Sc. in maths and the natural sciences the only degree available was the D.Sc. When commenting on D.Sc. degrees awarded by the London of London in the period before the introduction of the Ph.D. this needs to be borne in mind. At the least, it would be useful to have information on the relevant regulations, as stated at the time. Incidentally, the first woman to receive a D.Sc. from the University of London was Sophie Bryant in 1884, not Maria Ogilvie. (The Wikipedia article on her contains the same erroneous assumption).
2. The article states:
:In former times the doctorate in science was regarded as a greater distinction than a professorial chair and hence a professor who was also a D.Sc. would be known as Doctor.
::Information about when and where there was the case would be useful. Norvo (talk) 03:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Historical Information - Problems 

message: E.g., Doctor of Science (higher doctorate). Basically Doctor of Science#The United Kingdom, Ireland, India and the Commonwealth. This is currently a WP:CHIMERA. Fgnievinski (talk) 19:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  split higher 

message: Until Reunification, Universities in East Germany have awarded the titles Dr.rer. ... (Doctor of Science branch) by a "Promotion A" (PhD equivalent) and Dr.sc. ... (Doctor of Science) by a "Promotion B" (which after reunification was converted in most cases to a habilitation). Here is ... for the various scientific faculties, like nat., med., jur. and so on.  The teaching qualification (Facultas docendi) and the teaching license (Venia Legendi) wasn't awarded with the "Promotion B" (like it was in West Germany). To run university teaching, more evidence, such as sample lectures etc. had to be adduced in an additional and separated process. After that, the candidates obtained the Facultas docendi and Venia Legendi to get a professor or outside lecturer.
78.53.200.137 (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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message: One Myron W. Evans, Armiger of Mawr, states the following: "I have held the Scientiae Doctor (D. Sc.) degree of the true University of Wales since 1978 (aged 27), submitted 1977 (aged 26). I have held the degree for forty years and I am the youngest recipient under modern rules, when one has to wait a number of years between the award of a Ph. D. and the submission of a D. Sc. It was meant by the University of London to be a distinction higher than full professor, in recognition of work of outstanding distinction recognized internationally." Evans complains that this distinction did not boost his career in the way he had hoped it would or should have: "Even though I work directly for the Head of State as a Civil List Pensioner, I am still locked out [...] I was forced to emigrate in 1986 and have taken my D. Sc. around the world since then. I regard myself as a full professor in the true University of Wales." This is remarkable because apparently Evans has no high opinion of the actual University of Wales: "UCW Aberystwyth is dismally insignificant internationally, its h indices in physics are difficult to see with an electron microscope, and chemistry was destroyed by corruption."137.205.101.77 (talk) 11:25, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another claimed record 

message: Doctor degree is the highest academic degree available in México, there is not such distinction between doctor degrees as is stated in the article. If someone state the otherwise must provide a source. --ReuterN (talk) 21:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: ScD in México

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message: Russia is an European country, right?  It shouldn't be listed as another section paralleling North America, Asia, Europe, etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runningwolf2 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't Russia and other post-Soviet countries be catagorized in Europe and Asia? 

message: Roosevelt University in Chicago had a professor (in the 1970s when I was there) with the title "Dr. chem." after his name, from a German university -- no doubt for "Doctor of Chemistry," though in a style similar to that of "Dr. theol." WHPratt (talk) 16:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. chem. 

message: The abovementioned article is covering the exact same topic and should be integrated here. Similarly, the respective Wikidata-items should be merged.
Regards  Wikipeter-HH (talk) 15:00, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant Article [[Dr. rer. nat.]] 

message: The article currently states:
* Dr sc. ETH: Doktor der Naturwissenschaften ETH, Doctor of Natural Sciences, awarded by ETH Zurich, Switzerland.
However, I was unable to find this specific abbreviation in ETH regulations. It seems that (unlike the ETH master's degrees, which can indeed be abbreviated as "MSc ETH") no such abbreviation is possible for the PhD. Instead, the relevant ETH website suggests that the title would be: "Dr. sc. ETH Zurich".
Can anyone confirm this?
Michael Weinold (talk) 22:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Switzerland (ETH)