Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (TV series)

message: There are three Western Sonic cartoons:
 The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog
 Sonic the Hedgehog: The Animated Series
And  Sonic Underground
There are two Japanese Sonic Anime:
 The O.V.A.
And Sonic_X
I don't think they are all equally represented: the Western cartoons are wildly different from one another, and from the games, while the Japanese Anime are closer to the videogame style. All were influential in shaping the Sonic franchise, but they are only loosely related and the Western cartoons, although they shaped more of Sonic (all the way up to Sonic and the Black Knight) They are declared unfit for reference material, other Sonic "reference" sites refuse to reference them appropriately. Sonic Underground and The Adventures of Sonic need some TLC, Sonic: the Animated Series needs more recognition.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.85.210.203 (talk) 13:21, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Sonic Series 

message: Personal opinions masquerading as referenced content (specifically lines such as "Due to its groundbreaking format and over-arching plot, the cartoon has had a strong cult following.") need to be sourced to independent reliable sources. Just adding links to fan websites will not cut it. MikeWazowski (talk) 21:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal opinions 

message: There's a claim in the article bolstered by a fan site stating that the series was intended as a replacement for Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog,  which ABC rejected. The other story going around was that both series were produced concurrently, and considering that Adventures had a standard order of 65 episodes produced (as opposed to just a pilot for network execs), that is the more likely situation. Unless a reliable source says either-or, I don't think either claim should be in the article. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:33, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is a trainwreck, filled with all sorts of WP:OR, unverifiable information, and fansite cruft/junk. I'd support removing any of that type of stuff. (Your example definitely included.) I wanted to fix up the article some, but it's just so long, and bad, that I haven't found the motivation. Sergecross73 msg me  18:01, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here. I wouldn't know where to begin... Oh well. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replacement 

message: *Retro Junk
*1up.com
*Action Button
*Yahoo
Possible sources for future use. (It really is hard scrounging up WP:RS's for this show, considering it's name and timeframe...) Sergecross73 msg me  20:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Retro Junk isn't reliable and the last three are blogs. They're still better than all the fan sites that were used though. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure about Retro Junk, I thought it might be, but I think its some other site that starts with "Retro" that WP:VG deems reliable. And yeah, I know and agree, these aren't so great, but I figured that like you said, they're better than all those fansites. I've trimmed down a bunch of the trivia/cruft from those fansites, but there's still plenty more that should be shortened/removed. (Like most/all the pre-production info, for instance.) Sergecross73 msg me  23:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Yes, I noticed that. Thank you for finding those. Not sure how I didn't come across them when I was looking for sources previously. Thanks for your general help with cleaning up the article as well... Sergecross73 msg me  18:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I left a subject called "My controversy against the airtimes during that period" and a few minutes later, it was gone. Was it because it was politically incorrect or what? Kristie Ann Webb (talk) 01:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're referring to this edit, it was likely removed per WP:NOTFORUM. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's my subject? 

message: So, the airdates that correspond with the season one episodes are, as far as I can tell, the same airdates that have existed on the Internet since at least the year 2000. However, when looking at the list on here, I couldn't help but notice an additional citation in the article for production episode six: "This episode was the actual 1st full edition of this series to air on ABC, on Sept. 18, 1993." I found it strange that the episode guide on this page wasn't updated properly to reflect that, but I also began to wonder if any of the other dates were wrong...so I began digging in the only contemporary place easily accessible online: Usenet discussion posts. Sure enough, I found some here, here, here, here. and here, all of which contradict the current air date order not only on Wikipedia, but everywhere.
Unfortunately, the newsgroup discussion doesn't dive into every weekly episode, which leaves five episodes unaccounted for. The only piece of info I could currently find is an old FAQ file from 1997 about Sonic in general, which lists the season one episodes in an order that does not reflect production order, but matches up with the newsgroup posts abovehttps://kilorat.com/pub/sonic/text/faq-dd.txt
Using all that, the actual airdate order seems to be:
*1993-09-18 Super Sonic
*1993-09-25 Sonic Boom
*1993-10-02 Sonic and Sally
*1993-10-09 Hooked on Sonics
*1993-10-16 Ultra Sonic
*1993-10-23 Sonic's Nightmare
*1993-10-30 Warp Sonic
*1993-11-06 Harmonic Sonic
*1993-11-13 Sonic and the Secret Scrolls
*1993-11-20 Sub Sonic
*1993-11-27 Heads or Tails
*1993-12-04 Sonic Past Cool
*1993-12-11 Sonic Racer
The three middle October dates and the two December airings are the only ones inferred from the FAQ file, but I'd guess that's not quite strong enough for Wikipedia's source policy. All I do know is that "Super Sonic" is clearly the first episode that had aired based on that YouTube video's evidence on the main page, and that the other seven are supported by conversation had online at the time the show was airing. No matter what, the current air dates that are on this article are definitely wrong. I don't know if episode titles were in old TV Guides, but if someone has a pile of them? Might not be a bad idea to pull them out and triple check everything.David The Lurker (talk) 19:54, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Can’t comment on the US air dates and placement of episodes there, but they were placed in the order listed in this article when the show aired on RTÉ Two in Ireland. I remember the episodes being described in the 9–16 December 1994 edition and subsequent dates of the RTÉ Guide at the time, but we didn’t hold onto them (would take up too much space). Danny157 (talk) 20:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season One Airdates? 

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