Help talk:Multilingual support (East Asian)

message: As an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Enabling_complex_text_support_for_Indic_scripts
亮HH 08:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixed misplaced topic

message: The screen reader I use to edit Wikipedia is telling me there are question marks instead of Chinese or Japanese and other languages. Is it the browser or the screen reader? Robot569 18:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What screen reader and what browser do you use? I experienced that if something is written in Chinese with IE, Mozilla can't read it, or the other way around. But that only happened with sites which dont you Unicode Encoding, Wiki does. 亮HH 15:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I use JAWS for Windows. Robot569 01:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screen reader support 

message: Should the two compared texts look exactly the same, or similar ignoring size and bolding? The non-Wikipedia text looks a size or two larger (not font size+1 as in|S Sepp]] 14:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearance

message: Should this article be expanded to include how to show east asian characters within
I am curious as to why characters from only these 3 languages always come up as question marks (???), yet other alphabets, such as the Arabic, Armenian, Greek, Hebrew, Cyrillic, Georgian, Devanāgarī, Kannada, Brāhmī, et. al. seem to come through just fine. 12.40.34.150 21:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fonts for these scripts are very large compared to those for other scripts. The likely have not been installed on your system due to disk space considerations. —Ruud 21:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  East asian characters within programs 

message: 平 > it shows me \/ where the picture says /\. Understand? In both traditional and  simplified. The rest is ok. Is it bad? I don't read hanzi Mallerd 19:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are called variant Chinese characters. The two characters you mentioned are perfectly interchangeable in Chinese (might not be so in Korean or Japanese). The /\ variation is the one found in Kangxi dictionary (a famous Chinese dictionary compiled before modern time). The \/ variation is more commonly used today. A typesetter/publisher might choose one variant over the other for aesthetics reasons. --Voidvector 20:43, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  平 

message: Is there any help in getting English Pocket PCs to display CJK on websites like Wikipedia, apart from using native ROMs?  Oh, and preferably free/open-source?  I have an HTC TyTN (Hermes) (Cingular/AT&T 8525) running Windows Mobile 6.  --Geopgeop (T) 06:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pocket PC 

message: According to the links provided on the pages, there are two options to download the appropriate languages: One if you have Windows Me, Windows 98, Windows 95, or Windows NT 4.0 and Windows Office XP. Now what if I have Windows XP without Windows Office XP? Am I unable to display East Asian characters? Does Microsoft suck that much? Also, I don't have a Windows XP install disc, so don't suggest that; my computer didn't come with one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.40.100 (talk) 05:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you only want to be able to read it in the browser, you can try this: Download an Asian font from the Internet (there are a few links on this page). Copy it into your font directory. Go to options of your browser select the font for the intended language. Most modern browsers should be able to display it correctly. --Voidvector (talk) 09:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Installation Options 

message: Isn't this page best placed on meta, for other English projects to use too? - Mtmelendez (Talk) 15:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is probably because for the purpose of editing in Wikipedia only. Chongkian (talk) 04:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Meta?

message: I want to write Korean, but a disk is required for installation, and I didnt find him. Where I can get the files needed to installation support for Korean? I have Windows XP, Proffesional edition, version 5.1.2600. --77.125.79.5 (talk) 11:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing Korean 

message: Contrary to what is stated in this article, it does not appear, in fact, that all Windows 7 versions support East Asian characters out of the box. Please view the microsoft support thread here:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/i-have-windows-7-english-version-it-cannot-display/3a13c2d6-7170-4ef6-b2b0-01500ae7e790
In fact, the situation is worse for many people, as you previously were able to install support no matter what version of windows you had, but now it appears that Microsoft is limiting it to Enterprise or Ultimate edition owners.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.76.220.202 (talk) 04:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion you linked to is in regards to filenames, not text in general. All editions of Windows 7 include East Asian fonts by default. However, if you install a Chinese version of Windows and enter a filename in GB, or a Japanese version and create a file with a name in JIS, the filename will show up in Mojibake when viewed on a western encoding version of Windows 95-2000, and as ????? in Windows XP and later. Same goes for text files saved as ANSI and not Unicode, though in this case it only turns up in Mojibake. As for Ultimate/Enterprise, that's only if you want the system display language to be changed. For example, instead of "Control Panel>Language settings", it becomes "控制面板>语言设置". To fix this problem, or at least partially alleviate it (since I'm running a western encoding version of Windows 7, and Japanese Visual novel games like to name their files in JIS, meaning that many games won't run as they simply cannot find the file), I use AppLocale, however this is a completely different issue, and is irrelevant to browsing Wikipedia in any case. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 08:19, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows 7 East Asian Language support 

message: I recently rebuilt my hard drive and I lost my language extension packs, which Memeo appears to ahve not backed up.  I tried to install everything listed on the page, but I'm still seeing boxes.  My computer has been turned off numerous times since the download, so it's not that I haven't restarted my computer.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 00:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't get an answer here soon, I suggest you try the Computing reference desk. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm using Windows XP Professional.  It was installed as the 2002 version, and then I did the Windows updates.  The characters display neither in Internet Explorer nor Google Chrome.  I haven't downloaded Firefox because it always crashed before. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 16:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: When I did it through the control panel, it worked.  Now I'm seeing the Asian characters.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 17:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Help please

message: Earlier, the article claimed that the various images showed what the languages "should look like." I thought this was misleading. Certainly, the font used for Vietnamese was not a very nice font. If a reader has Arial or New Times Roman, as I think almost everyone does, the displayed text will look better than the image. Vietnam hasn't used Chinese characters for almost a century, and the image was misleading on this issue as well. Kauffner (talk) 10:56, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "what it should look like" 

message: Does Wikipedia use web fonts? They could be used to provide multilingual support to users without the necessary fonts installed in their OS.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanathanathan (talk • contribs) 04:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Web Fonts 

message: Template:Contains Manchu text has a link towards this page, and this page has not yet provided information about Manchu script. Can it be added here? I have made a sample on this page. --Obonggi (talk) 14:52, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That sample is not working fully for me. I see Manchu characters, laid out top to bottom, but the individual letters are rotated 90 degrees. I am on a Mac which has the latest version of Mac OS on it, and so which is normally very good at displaying non-English text, even when it’s written in odd directions.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 15:05, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The example looks fine to me on my Windows 10 computer, but let me be nitpicking on one point: In Unicode terminology this is the Manchu writing system which uses the Mongolian script. Besides a graphic at a higher resolution than Manchutexttest.png would be desirable, perferably an SVG (i.e., in vector format). Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 15:21, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Tried it with Firefox too (my first look was with Safari). That too has them laid out right but out by 90 degrees, using a different font or at least rendering it at a smaller size. The PNG does seem very small and hard to see clearly, it is smaller than the text in both my tests.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 15:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have meanwhile produced the graphic Manchu sample.svg illustrating the same text. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 16:03, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is strange that Template:Contains Mongolian text has a link to Help:Multilingual support though the script (esp. the required fonts and rendering engines) is the same. BTW: I had made an error in my SVG which is now fixed. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 16:38, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Interesting. I suppose the CSS code snippet text-orientation:sideways; -webkit-text-orientation:sideways; could also be used in the  template when the language specified is  (i.e. , certainly not ) for Manchu or / (except  or ) for Mongolian. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It’s a bit more complex than that: it would probably need -webkit-text-orientation: sideways; -moz-text-orientation: sideways; -ms-text-orientation: sideways; text-orientation: sideways;. I needed the webkit one for Safari, the others would be needed to cover all browsers. There may also be other CSS elements that might be useful, to fix any alignment issues; the generated content article has a good overview. It’s the sort of thing that might be worth encapsulating in a template, much as  encapsulates all the messy details of specifying the writing direction.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 07:17, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Manchu script? 

message: The page doesn't seem to address Manchu rendering support, but presumably most people have a problem viewing Manchu script on Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.183.26.161 (talk) 11:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Manchu uses the Mongolian script, which is discussed briefly at Help:Multilingual_support#Mongolian. If you have a Unicode Mongolian font installed then Manchu text on Wikipedia pages should display correctly. BabelStone (talk) 12:03, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manchu