Talk:Seminole

message: *I've heard 3rd person reports that some Seminoles (especially those in Florida and amoung Black Seminoles) are unhappy with the use of Seminoles as a team mascot not because of its general degradation of Native Americans, but because many of the Seminole depictions are of Plains Indians, and not those of the Black Seminoles or Everglades. Anybody have anything on this? -65.122.209.136 01:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears they have no problem with Florida State University over this, see . Can you point to any other school calling themselves 'Seminoles' where there might be a problem? -- Donald Albury 02:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: dont highlight so many words it takes away from the letters and its hard to read 71.161.109.110 (talk) 14:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I've heard just the opposite as well. The Florida tribe(s) are okay with the team using it, and the depictions are pretty accurate (the mascot, Osceola, is not portrayed as a Plains Indian). I have heard the Oklahoma tribe was not consulted for the discussions about the name, and are unhappy about that, not because of the portrayal.--Cúchullain t/c 19:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is an article about the tribe and there's a separate page for the sport's team, why is there an entire paragraph about the team anyway? It's irrelevant to the tribe. -Uyvsdi (talk) 23:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Team nickname

message: I took out the following sentence:
"Many people did not want the indians."
from the end of the section on the Seminole Wars as it did not fit the passage and didn't make a lot of sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Droddfinger (talk • contribs) 22:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editting of the Unnecessary  

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this this article by Harry A. Kersey Jr., an expert on the Seminole and Miccosukee, that is the case: the recognition by Castro's government cause the US to take negotiations with the Miccosukee more seriously and led to their recognition as a separate tribe from the Seminole Tribe of Florida. Castro's recognition was just a propaganda play; it didn't amount to anything except for getting the US government to extend recognition to the Miccosukee Tribe of Indians of Florida. I haven't heard about any negotiations with Hugo Chavez; that almost certainly would have made news, as federally recognized tribes can't engage in foreign relations.--Cúchullain t/c 14:13, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: wat did they eat? seminoles ate a lot of things including alligator and turtle they had a lot of bread and corn.
where abouts did they live? i cant seem to find that, and i need the info 4 school.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maladicta (talk • contribs) 06:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read the first sentence? Pfly 08:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  seminole 

message: I have removed the following line from the intro:
'The Florida Seminoles are the only American Indian tribe never to have signed a formal peace treaty with the United States" (ref: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/sports/24mascot.html "Florida State Can Keep Its Seminoles"] from The New York Times)'
and the following line from the FSU section:
'The article states, "The Seminoles are the only American Indian tribe never to sign a formal peace treaty with the United States. To celebrate this status, Florida State erected Unconquered, a statue of Chief Osceola outside its football stadium."'
Although properly attributed, the prior statement is simply false. The NY Times is wrong, as any cursory reading of the history of Californian native peoples will attest. It's possible the NY Times is using some very specific definition of "American Indian tribe;" if so, this definition should be included if this information is added back in.
Yawar.fiesta (talk) 23:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent point. The Timucua never signed a peace treaty with the US government, as they were gone by the time it was created.--Cúchullain t/c 23:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed "only tribe not to sign treaty" references 

message: According to "Lies My Teacher Told Me Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong" by James W Loewen, "The Seminoles did not exist as a tribe or nation before the arrival of Europeans and Africans. They were a triracial isolate composed of Creek Indians, remnants of smaller tribes, runaway slaves, and whites who preferred to live in Indian society." page 151 2007 edition 69.23.106.111 (talk) 02:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Seminoles as a tribal nation are truly a combination of races living together out of harmony or by involuntary inclusion, such as the case involving black African slaves. Many members of the Seminole tribe in official racial classification or tribal identity are classified as "white", "black" and "Hispanic" due to contact with the Spanish settlers in West Florida in the 17th and 18th centuries. But not all Seminole tribes approved of interracial marriage or offspring, the Big Cypress Seminole of Florida restrict tribal membership and miscegenation, thus made it difficult for mixed-blood descendants to join the tribe.  
In Oklahoma, thousands of Western Seminoles have Spanish surnames instead of English or in some cases, French surnames...and there are plenty of Seminole members of the Roman Catholic church other than attending Baptist, Methodist or mainline Protestant churches typical of neighboring American Indian tribes in the Southeast US. After reading the article, it did mention some Seminoles (i.e. Black Seminoles emancipated or escaped from slavery) found refuge in Mexico (the states of Coahuila and Nuevo Leon) across the Rio Grande in southern Texas, where probably thousands more of their descendants may merged with the Mexican population. I expect thousands more of unspecified Seminole live among the Mexican-American community in Texas, therefore you may have a subgroup of Mexican Seminoles. + 71.102.53.48 (talk) 17:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

text: The Seminole strongly discouraged intermarriage with whites, and were mostly full-blood at the turn of the 20th century. Betty Mae Tiger Jumper, a Florida Seminole born in 1923, said that she and her brother were nearly killed as young children because they were half-breeds. Mixed-race children were left to die in the Everglades. Today there is more intermarriage, but the Florida Seminole require one-quarter Seminole blood for tribal membership, and the Miccosukee require one-half blood quantum and a mother who is Miccosukee. Both tribes historically had matrilineal kinship systems.Parkwells (talk) 14:16, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

text: According to archeologists, linguists, historians and anthropologists, those theories above are wrong. The Seminole were Native Americans, mostly formed from Creek and Chiaha (the Miccosukee) who migrated from the north under settlement pressure.Parkwells (talk) 14:16, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Seminoles as a triracial isolate group?

message: The Cherokee, Muscogee (Creek), Chickasaw, and Choctaw are ethnic groups who are related to the Seminole by migration after the War of 1812, linguistically (Muskogean), and by plans of civilization. After the War of 1812, many of the Creek Red Stick fled to Florida to escape the armed forces of the United States. The Creeks took their language, culture and customs and merged it with existing Florida tribes. Seminoles were also (just as with the Cherokee, Muscogee, Chickasaw, & Choctaw) targeted for George Washington and Henry Knox's plan for Indian civilization.
The term, "Five Civilized Tribes," is not an ethnic group. Its a collective. The term is too broad. No easter egg link so as to avoid confusion-- keep links as intuitive as possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:EGG#Intuitiveness
Rob (talk) 14:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There were almost no Indians left in Florida at the time the Seminole branched off from the Creek and moved in to the area. I don't think we need to list the five individual Civilized Tribes, but giving a link to the term will direct the reader to further information.--Cúchullain t/c 17:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I would add that while Creeks were the majority element of the Seminoles, Alabamas, Choctaws, Yamasees and Yuchis were also in Florida and lumped in with the Seminoles by whites. In particular, I am not aware of any source that places Chickasaws or Cherokees in Florida. In addition, the Cherokee do not speak a Muskogean language, and so are not related to the Seminoles any more closely than many other tribes. -- Donald Albury 11:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Related Ethnic Groups Clarity

message: I am doing a report on Seminole housing and it does not having stated that I can see. Parker1297 00:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Housing 

message: I'm nearly positive Seminoles were not originally from Florida, but came to Florida from a different state a long time ago. Does anyone else have something to say about this?HoworHow 22:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they originated in Florida. They are an amalgamation of other ethnic groups forming a new group in a process called ethnogenesis. -Uyvsdi (talk) 02:53, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: The "franchise" is suffrage or the right to vote; "enfranchisement" is extension of suffrage to a class; "disfranchisement" is exclusion from voting or rights. The latter is the term that seems most often used in academic articles, and is the title for Disfranchisement after Reconstruction era in WP. Parkwells (talk) 15:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Suffrage terms

message: Have added content and cites on this. Parkwells (talk) 02:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Land claims suits and settlement

message: Have added more at the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, Seminole Tribe of Florida (now one of the wealthiest tribes in the Southeast) and Miccosukee Tribe of Indians, about the 20th-century developments, including notable people. Have kept red links for people to show need for new articles about the contemporary tribal leaders. The articles also need more about their governments, membership rules, social and economic development.Parkwells (talk) 14:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

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