Talk:Parrying dagger

message: OK, I sort of got it. It's not quite showing up, but I got the link in half-decent. Check out the "Swordbreakers" section.
:You know what, I got the picture in, but it would look a lot better in a different section. I tried moving it, but it just showed up as an URL. Anyone know how to fix that?
:Hey, I put the picture in for you. It's under the REFERENCES section. Pretty neat!
:Here's a picture: . Someone add it, please?
:This can't be real. Is it? Theblindsage (talk) 09:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: I think that the title of the page was confusing. I'm using general info for a school project, but I kept searching for "main-gauche" from the list of daggers. I finally found the link using Google.
:Calling it a sword breaker is kind of speculative. It might break a smallsword, but I have a hard time believing it could break anything else.
Theblindsage 09:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Issue

message: This article needs to be better referenced. As it is, the only source that a sword breaker was a real weapon is a rather dodgy webpage that itself seems to be going on hearsay; according I've removed it (and reformatted the WoT references so it is clearer what their presence was sourcing). --Gwern  (contribs) 21:28 8 May 2007 (GMT)
:I added those sources. Thanks for the reformatting - the WoT references look much better. However, I somewhat disagree that the sword breaker reference is a dodgy website. The author appears to have put in a lot of time and effort; it is also non-commercial. I think what you mean is that it is not authoritative. If so, I agree, but it is useful in that it has a picture of a sword breaker (and doesn't offer to sell it, unlike every other website I could find). I have therefore readded it, along with a more authoritative reference (which unfortunately lacks any pictures). The authoritative reference verifies everything in the other reference. A quick Google search verifies the picture. Really, a book reference would be better, but I don't have one available...until one is found, I think these will have to do. If you have or can borrow/get Daggers and Bayonets, it could perhaps be suitable.
:If you disagree, feel free to revert me and post here. Thanks! 124.148.61.125 16:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: "One thing of note is that sword-breakers were not spring-loaded daggers which had sides snap out to meet the guard. These faux-historical stainless steel knives are sold in various places, but are not historically accurate."
Might want to check this article: http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_spot_combo.html
Such weapons did indeed exist.
Macroidtoe 18:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe I'm missing something, but from what I can see that page doesn't mention sword breakers - the closest thing is a fixed sword catcher on a shield. 124.148.74.39 12:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

text: There are indeed renaissance daggers that 'pop open' into triplicate blades. http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_euroedge.html#parrying But I think the idea that such daggers can 'pop shut', scissors style, to break blades, probably comes from the Three Musketeers movie, where Porthos has such a device. There seems to be some confusion with the main-gauche style blade found on page 41 on this book:	Daggers and Bayonets by Logan Thompson (Hardcover - Nov 1, 1999), which had notch for catching the blades of civilian rapiers, circa 1650. The swords to be broken would be of a similar time, which would mean civilian dueling rapiers, smallswords, and court-swords, more similar to the modern epee. Theblindsage (talk) 09:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oh really?