Talk:Zirid dynasty

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message: Mazing107 (talk) 16:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – NJD-DE (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2021 

message: This section was recently added. After looking it over, I'm removing the section almost entirely, with apologies to Kabz15. Normally, I would try to do some initial clean-up (as I just did for the same section at Hammadid dynasty), but honestly the section is such a mess that it would need to be restarted from scratch.</br>
First, it is almost entirely unsourced, which is enough grounds on its own to remove it. The only paragraph with citations relies on a claim that some of the cited sources actually contradict, and which has been discredited or rejected by other scholars. (Specifically: the fountain of lions in the Alhambra does not date to the Zirid period. This was the claim of one author only and has been rejected by other scholars in this field including Fairchild Ruggles, who's cited here. More recently, Felix Arnold, sums it up in his book (p. 283): "The theory of Frederick Bargebuhr that the lion sculptures date to the eleventh century has since been disproven.") Additionally, the section begins with a list composed of mostly external links, which should not be in the main body of the article as per WP:EXT, and some links to non-English wikipedia pages, instead of properly citing sources. Finally, the number of pictures is totally disproportionate and disruptive to the page layout; please see MOS:IMAGES for guidelines on how images should be used.</br>
There is room on this page for a section like this, but please make an effort to follow Wikipedia guidelines for content, including citing reliable sources (and citing them for claims that they actually support). Rather than doing something like rapidly dumping as many mentions as possible of monuments linked to one of the Zirid states in some way or another, I'd suggest starting small and adding information about specific sub-topics one at a time, and with more careful attention to what the sources have to say. And in a similar vein: there should be separate (sub)sections for architecture under the Zirid Taifa of al-Andalus versus that under the Zirids in Ifriqiya, as these two are not automatically the same thing. 
Sincerely, R Prazeres (talk) 02:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: after removing it, I've taken some time to add some similar information back into the section using available sources, so that the section has at least a foundation from which to build on in the future, if helpful. R Prazeres (talk) 03:59, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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message: Is there anyone who can make a correction to the family tree chart near the bottom of the article? I have little experience with this particular template and I'm not sure how to fix it myself without messing it up further.
The specific correction that's needed is: "Yahya ibn Abd al-Aziz 1121-1152" should be placed under "Abd al-Aziz ibn Mansur 1105-1121", not under "Badis ibn Mansur 1105". Per his name and per the detailed genealogical chart in Idris (1962) La berbérie oriental sous les Zirides (p. 833; pdf available here), Yahya is the son of Abd al-Aziz, not Badis.
(Pinging , who added the chart, but I see that they haven't been active recently.) Thanks for any help, R Prazeres (talk) 20:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed for minor correction to family tree