Talk:Three Confederate States of Gojoseon

message: It is probably true that the Bronze Dagger peoples contributed greatly to the formation of the modern Koreans (along with the Mumun people whom they conquered when they moved from Liaoning). Perhaps the confederation of states was really called Gojoseon. I believe that their descendants eventually founded the Sam Han, and finally the state of Silla which unified the peninsula. However, we must be clear however that at no time the archaeological finds conjure up images of a vast, powerful, fabulous lost civilization. That would be gross exaggeration.Wayne Leigh (talk) 02:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably not, or some references would be supplied.  Seems like original research to me.  -- Visviva 08:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: hmmm...SinChaeho was a great man, but he died a long long long time ago. He is also not without controversy -- it might not be so good to rely on the work of this scholar exclusively. Perhaps their is more recent research on this topic? I think there is...in fact there's mountain of academic research available in big bookstores. Any perusal of bookshelves at Kyobo in Seoul or Yonggwang Deoseo in Busan can tell us that. Sin Chaeho?!?
Sounds like fabricated story to me.  Just replace the word Han (韓/한) on the left with Joseon (朝鮮/조선) on the right....
* Samhan (Three Han) --> Three Gojoseon
*# Jinhan --> Jinjoseon
*# Byeonhan --> Byeonjoseon
*# Mahan --> Majoseon
The ones on the right are just imaginary nations, and should be treated as such.--Endroit 07:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Read Joseon Sanggosa. this is not fabrication. If you read 'Shiji, you can find the three. --Hairwizard91 10:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then provide a mainstream work on Korean history that supports it.  Otherwise there is no reason for it to be taken seriously on Wikipedia.  -- Visviva 13:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until there is a research in school historian, it is myth. Myth can be also taken in Wiki.--Hairwizard91 13:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bronze Dagger Culture & Gojoseon

message: The Records of the Grand Historian is the only contemporary record of a historical figure in Korean history. Other books may have a lot to say, but they were all written many centuries later. Even though they claim to quote from older records, there is no way to prove it. Thus the bare facts below are the only reliable information available on ancient Korea.
(Wei Man, known as Wiman in Korean, was a man from the State of Yan of China who established a kingdom in north-western Korea in the 2nd century BC. He was the first figure in the history of Korea to have been recorded in documents from the same time period. The Records of the Grand Historian simply calls him Man, so the surname Wei was probably added later.)
Man served Prince Lu Wan of the Yan Principality. Although Lu Wan was an old ally of the Han Emperor Gao, he was eventually suspected of rebellion and attacked. Lu Wan sought refuge with the Xiongnu in 195 B.C, while Man fled to the east.
According to the Records of the Grand Historian, Man led 1,000 men, dressed in non-Chinese costume and crossed the border river of Paesu/Peishui (浿水; probably Chŏngchŏn River). Based on the upper and lower fortresses of the former Qin Dynasty, he organized the natives named the Jinbeon/Zhenfen and the Joseon and Chinese refugees from Yan and Qi, and came to the crown. Man's capital was named Wanggeom/Wangxian (王險, generally identified as P'yŏngyang).[1] Since the Han Empire was not completely stabilized yet, the Governor of Liaodong appointed Man as an outer subject, provided that he did not prevent natives going up to the empire. The appointment is dated at 191 or 192 BCE.[2] With the support of the Han Empire, he expanded his territory by conquering many small towns. His kingdom was eventually conquered by Emperor Wu in 108 B.C during the reign of his grandson Ugeo.Wayne Leigh (talk) 02:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiman became first officially recorded leader of Gojoseon because all previous historical texts are now either stolen or destroyed.--Korsentry 23:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiman was the First Authenticated Figure in the History of Korea