Talk:Planet of the Apes (2001 film)

message: The plot summary describes a "love triangle" between Wahlberg, Warren, and Bonham-Carter's characters, I think that is more speculation than something actually addressed in the movie. Similarly towards the end it says Estella Warren's character "loves" Wahlberg but I think that is also more speculation.  It has been awhile since I've seen the movie so I could be wrong, but from what I remember there was at most just some subtle implication at attraction between Wahlberg and Warren and Wahlberg and Bonham-Carter, but not so strong as to call it a "love triangle"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.34.169 (talk) 22:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Love triangle

message: The film never addresses the existence of horses on an alien world. The space station carrying such animals seems unlikely, especially enough to form a viable breeding pool.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.32.194 (talk) 19:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spoiler  Since the end of the movie shows that, like in the original movie series, the main character never left Earth, it is not an "alien" world.  32.212.102.239 (talk) 23:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horse mystery 

message: Is it significant at all that in the original film, Charlton Heston (human) utters the line, "Take your hands off me, you damn dirty ape!", and in the 2001 remake, Michael Clarke Duncan (Ape) says, "Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty human!"?92.20.25.100 (talk) 21:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Charlton Heston's character Zaius also utters a famous line from his character in the original movie series, after Taylor's discovery that he is in fact still on Earth.  "Damn them.  Damn them all to hell!"  Seems noteworthy to me.  Also, Heston's character in the remake of the movie is named Zaius, the same name as one of the primary ape characters in the original movie.  32.212.102.239 (talk) 23:21, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: "Lt. Colonel Alexander, at the beginning of the movie, clearly calls the super intelligent ape "Seamus" (pronounced "shay-mus," or "shame us"). This shows the corruption in ape society from the beginning (the crash of the Oberon) to modern (Thade's era) times. This is also shown with the name 'Calima' (the apes' name for the forbidden zone), later revealed to originate from a badly corroded sign on the Oberon: CAution, LIve aniMAls."
Is this really correct?  Wasn't this chimp called CMOS and pronounced CMOS?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.214.111 (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible error 

message: Just a note: Peter Jackson's autobiography co-written by Brian Sibley has good details on his take on POTA, which would have been a sequel depicting the apes in the Renaissance. Ultimately Fox turned him down as he was more interested in King Kong and LOTR. Alientraveller (talk) 09:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All done. Alientraveller (talk) 21:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter Jackson's version 

message: I suggest that you either integrate the ending criticisms into the previous paragraph or include examples of critics who criticised that aspect of the film. You do a good job of documenting that it was an issue by quoting two actors and the director, but I think you need to flesh out the opinions they're responding to first. Recognizance (talk) 00:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This could also be following along with the timeline in the original series, where apes from what was first the future are sent back through the time wormhole into their past, and are then shown around to "our" present time society, and have a baby who later becomes Ceasar (if I am remembering correctly).  32.212.102.239 (talk) 23:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending criticism 

message: No mention of the legal media kerfuffle between this production and Kevin Smith regarding Ape-Lincoln? 60.240.41.159 (talk) 09:40, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Story about the issue, from way backhttp://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&ved=0CBkQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FEntertainment%2Fstory%3Fid%3D103149%26page%3D1&rct=j&q=kevin+smith+tim+burton+lincoln&ei=s65iS7uMBsugkQWG2eDpBg&usg=AFQjCNG86iRfgpfkBf4_zseMYf4z0KDOWQ  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.41.159 (talk) 09:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Smith discussing the issue (NSFW, YouTube) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKbAEmvZyKQ
 60.240.41.159 (talk) 09:52, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kevin Smith? 

message: I'm not quite sure how to completely fix it, so I'll just note it here
The entire plot summary is wrong, and it looks like it was written by a middleschool-aged child at best. The plot is totally out of order and meshes scenes that were completely seperate in the film. Needs a rewrite badly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.121.165 (talk) 03:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is all wrong 

message: The following statement currently appears in the plot summary:
General Thade and Colonel Attar march ape warriors in pursuit of the humans, gunning Daena down when she separates from the group, in a vain attempt to distract the army.
I'm not sure what scene this is referring to, and can't seem to place it in the movie.  Specifically, Daena survives through the whole movie (see mention of her in the last paragraph).  Also, there is only one scene in the whole film in which any ape discharges a firearm (General Thade at the end), and it doesn't result in any casualties.
I would normally remove "gunning ... army" from the page, but there seem to be some pretty strong-minded guardians of this particular page, and I don't want to get into an edit war.  It's also possible that I missed something in the movie, and I welcome demonstrations of this. —Firespeaker (talk) 20:17, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hearing no object to this in the 5+ weeks that it's been open, I've gone ahead and made the change. —Firespeaker (talk) 08:51, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "gunning Daena down"? 

message: When is mention made in the movie (or script?) of the planet being called Ashlar?  I realise this name is part of the franchise, but was it mentioned in this particular film? —Firespeaker (talk) 20:17, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashlar 

message: B, which is the current wording. The words "appears to be" draw a conclusion that the structure is not and never was the Lincoln Memorial which is no where evident in the film. MOS:PLOT states, 'Plot summaries cannot engage in interpretation and should only present an obvious recap of the work'. Wording B is the only one that doesn't violate that. It is the most neutral wording while both A and C do by inserting the phrase "appears to be" drawing the conclusion it never was the Lincoln Memorial but just looks like it which is an interpretation. Sources support wording B  , including the script . There are no sources that support the interpretation that wordings A and C engage in. Anyone unfamiliar with the scene can view it on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ZJ0F8Ik9E&t=1s). It is clear that Leo has returned to Earth and lands in Washington DC, he is not on an alternate Earth or Washington which is what wordings A and C infer. Whether the structure that honors Thade was once the Lincoln Memorial or not is unknown. Wording B remains neutral on this, referring to the structure as the Lincoln Memorial only as a point of reference for the audience, while A and C draw a conclusion that it is not and never was the Lincoln Memorial which is based only a personal interpretation not on what is shown in the film. SonOfThornhill (talk) 12:02, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Per comments below, I find option D unnecessary, but suitable in the spirit of moving things forward.--Cúchullain t/c 15:01, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In view of subsequent discussion, I would secondarily support D.  It should be noted that C replaces the second-and-third-to-last sentences.  D replaces the second-to-last sentence.  Neither replaces the last sentence as described in RfC.  --DavidK93 (talk) 14:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

text: , unfortunately, there is some confusion because of the wording of the RfC.  None of these choices actually replaces the "last" sentence, which is about first responders and reporters converging on Davidson.  As I described in the threaded discussion, A replaces the second-to-last sentence, while C replaces that sentence and the one before.  Your suggestion, D, is great, and is substantively almost identical to C in terms of the main issues that have been raised throughout this discussion (the question of "appears to be"); because of that, I'm afraid you may be muddying the waters by supporting B over C, and I suggest that you instead secondarily support C with an explicit stipulation that it replaces the second-and-third-to-last sentences.  Again, none of these choices actually replaces the "last" sentence in the plot section.  --DavidK93 (talk) 14:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Replied below Scribolt (talk) 07:13, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I feel it is necessary to mention that this movie lacked the key features Burton's other movies are best known for: goth and creepiness. These sources may be used to expand the article with the info: , , . --Kailash29792 (talk)  10:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  A departure from Burton's style 

message: "TRAINERS need to get the chimps early, because after the age of 8 or so, the animals are too strong to be used safely in showbiz. But chimps can live to be 60 years old. And it costs $10,000 a year to feed and care for a chimp. There’s an overpopulation of captive chimps and a dearth of sanctuaries for the primates. According to PETA, too many former screen stars end up in squalor in subpar retirement spots. They point to Chubbs, who played a cadet trainee in Tim Burton’s 2001 film “Planet of the Apes” and ended up living amid garbage, maggots and feces at a roadside attraction in Amarillo, Texas." -- https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-aug-27-et-brief27-story.html --TRS (talk) 01:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A chimp called Chubbs, a former screen star