Talk:Ramón Emeterio Betances

message: I'm hesitant to change an FA...  but according to Flag of Puerto Rico, the modern flag came into being only six years before Betances's death, and more importantly, Puerto Rico wasn't independent.  Shouldn't the Spanish flag be used for his birth? SnowFire 02:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um.  Your statements, unless I'm missing something here, seem irrelevant to the point.  As I noted above, I'm talking about the birth location, not what citizenship he may or may not have had at the end of his life (Also, note: The Puerto Rican citizenship article seems to have been deleted, so I'm going to assume that this is not a major theory anyway).  I think it's fairly clear that Betances was *born* under Spanish rule, but I didn't want to step on the toes of some compromise brokered before, or if there was some dispute about the status of the islands then.  For instance, people like George Washington or Mohandas Ghandi were clearly born British citizens in British territory. SnowFire 07:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think putting a Spanish flag there, while perhaps correct, would probably serve to inflame PR nationalists too much to be practical. 72.64.165.157 07:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there such a thing as a Taino flag? Agueybaná sure has bragging rights over Ferdinand and Isabella, if we're to ensure proper geographical credit... <:o)X*** Demf 03:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth flag in infobox. 

message: Gente, I feel like the guy in that Heinz ketchup article who opened the bottle upstairs in some college football field, went to get a hamburger, and placed it underneath the dropping ketchup to impress a girl... "Good things come to those who wait..."
Sure, it had the wrong prepositions here and there, yes, it was vandalized about a dozen times, but the Betances article made it to FA of The Day for today, September 23, 2007 (AST). Guess there aren't too many Puerto Rican FAotD's (and Tony The Marine probably authored all of them!) This article not only becomes the first Puerto Rican bio article to make it to the Main Page, but also becomes the first FA for the Wikipedia Freemasonry project... and Betances made it earlier than notable freemasons such as Simón Bolívar or half of the American Founding Fathers, George Washington included. Part of it became a stub for the Indonesian and Russian editions... 
And, of course, it makes the front page on the 139th anniversary of the Grito de Lares. Didn't make it to GA status on April 6 (it would have made more sense back then), but well worth the wait.
Of course, my hats off to Tony for suggesting this to take precedence over his original Puerto Ricans  in WWII FAotD request. What a gentleman... My congrats to everyone who helped the doctor make the headlines. If it wasn't for him, none of us would be here... QVPRL... Demf 03:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article of the day 

message: I find the following phrase very confusing "Since buying the freedom of slave children cost 25 pesos if the child was a slave, and 50 pesos if the child had been freed", because if the child's freedom is to be bought for 25 pesos, how can one buy the freedom of one that is already free for a larger ammount?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.254.234.223 (talk) 16:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. It meant 50 pesos if the child had been baptized, 25 if he had not. 70.45.24.84 14:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Aguas de libertad" section 

message: Well, we passed the litmus test with this article... Last night I went to see (and met) Betances' two main biographers, Paul Estrade and Félix Ojeda Reyes, on the formal presentation of the first two books of Betances' complete works. Ojeda gave one heck of a master class, emphasizing the interrelationship of the work of the main proponents of the Antillean federation, all from their respective angles and lines of work, and particularly, many reflections on Máximo Gómez and his relationship with Betances that deserve at least one short paragraph or two here... as long as we have a written reference for each. Estrade apparently gave another master class earlier in the day, teaching about Betances' four desirable qualities that he, in his view, can make his memory and life work attractive to younger generations. As some of the assistants to the morning session said, it was quite an eye opener to have a French man, speaking in perfectly fluent Spanish, teach Puerto Rican kids a thing or two about the "Padre de la Patria Puertorriqueña".
To my pleasant surprise, Ojeda was pleased with this article. "It is surprisingly good, quite complete", he said with a grin in his face. Estrade dedicated the book I bought to "a modern publisher of the Betancian (train of) thought". I was a bit embarrassed, since I merely quoted their works incessantly here. But I can't help to think that, if they're the experts and they liked what they saw, we all can pat ourselves in the back. The night's presenter said something earlier about not wanting the Betances philosophy to stay within the marble halls of the academia and reach out to the common people. I can only hope this is a good start... Demf (talk) 10:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step" I am sure that most of the Puerto Rican youth will eventually become curious after hearing Betances' name hundreds of times and will look it up in the internet, after all that is how I got to this article in the first place. Its good to see you back David. - Caribbean~H.Q. 14:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The [[Litmus test (chemistry)|litmus test]] 

message: Dear fellow contributors
MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether or not dates are autoformatted. MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this. 
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thread_title:  Proposal to remove date-autoformatting 

message: The link of this reference is not found. Lleó Pastor (talk) 08:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your comments above refer to this line under the "Early years - Ancestry" section: "Betances claimed in his lifetime that a relative of his, Pedro Betances, had revolted against the Spanish government of Hispaniola in 1808 and was tortured, executed, and his body burned and shown to the populace to dissuade them from further attempts.Dávila del Valle. Oscar G., Presencia del ideario masónico en el proyecto revolucionario antillano de Ramón Emeterio Betances, available at the Grande Loja Carbonária do Brasil's website", and I have marked the reference as a broken link, per WP:LR. I am also adding the link you provided above (). Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 13:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference:  Presencia del ideario masónico en el proyecto revolucionario antillano de Ramón Emeterio Betances, Nº 1 

message: This article does not appear to meet the WP:FA criteria. The structure is cumbersome and the sourcing uncertain because of a lack of proper inline citations. If this article is not improved, it should be taken to Wikipedia:Featured article review. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:39, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Good eye. Someone above stated it becmae FA on September 23, 2007. It might be worthwhile to see if sourcing was better then. Mercy11 (talk) 02:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also reviewed this article for WP:URFA/2020, and I share C&C's concerns about the structure of the article and paragraphs that do not have proper inline citations. After looking at this article's history, I don't think an editor has stepped forward to address these concerns and think this should go to FAR. Z1720 (talk) 01:39, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA?