Talk:Funk/Archive 1

message: : Full ACK to NPOV, but as a part of an encyclopadia IMHO this document should contain a list of important milestones of the funkmusic. For me milestones are songs or albums which mark a important turning point in the development of funk music. I am aware of the fact that this will start a big discussion, but maybe we can can do this at another document and leave this document to NPOV.
--mac_c 10:01, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  My addition was merely a "me too" comment and not a suggestion that the moved item should be restored.  I also think the latest comment about JB is, perhaps, not so much unimportant as somewhat clumsy.  But I thought I'd leave it alone.  Anyone wanna do a slight edit on it? deeceevoice 11:38, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Went back and edited the passage referred to above.  Deleted as superfluous the background information on Brown Smash and Fair Deal.  More suitable, I think, for the article on James Brown and not essential to an explication of the subject matter at hand. deeceevoice 13:57, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: He-ey!  I like what you've done to the place!  The reorganization of the info and the sidebar look good. Much improved from when I first came to this topic -- when "funk" was defined (erroneously) as a "euhpemism" for that otoher four-letter word beginning with an "f".  Peace! :-D deeceevoice 14:58, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important Songs 

message: For example, the Final Fight and Pilotwings 64 titles, as well as the non-videogame album Expert Knob Twiddlers by Mike Paradinas and Richard D James (track 1, "Mr. Frosty", and the other track, "The Sound of Beady Eyes" -- go look for said tracks on Soulseek or something).  Was this music actually funk, or some 80's-electro-spinoff genre of funk?  After all, that kind of (funk?) reminds me more of Isaac Hayes' character in Escape From New York, rather than of James Brown spinning around and screaming" "HEY!" to bouncy quarternote trumpets, like a cyberpunk-funk, if you will.  That's the best I can explain what I'm inquiring about.  Any more information on this (sub?)genre?  I'm very interested  --I run like a Welshman 23:56, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The article already says "funky" is related to sexual intercourse.  In my first correction of this article (wa-aay back when, when it erroneously characterized "funk" as a "euphemism" for f"**k"), I specifically stated that "funk" literally meant the smell of sexual intercourse.  It somehow got edited out over time.  If you want to reinstate that info, go for it.  deeceevoice 14:05, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: I reinserted the reference to the original definition of "funk" for clarity's sake.  My comment about "put some stank on it" doesn't make clear sense without it. deeceevoice 14:30, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  about "videogame" funk, if that's what it's called 

message: Please, let's take this out..
::"In Brazil, the word "funk" is used to denote a distinct genre of music called baile funk (also known as rio funk), related to electro."
The Brazilian funk has *NO* relations with this funk.. Not even with electro music..
Brazilian Funk talk about sex, drugs and money with a very poor musicality.
* I vote take it out. It's only Funk in name. Musically it's related to funk only in the same way that any post-funk electronic music is. Dissolve
* If nothing else, it needs a disambig block at the top of the page so people for baile funk can find it. Tuf-Kat 05:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rio de Janeiro's Funk 

message: Hey, there's some confusing language in the origin paragraph.  The sentence reads: "At least as early as the 1930s, jazz songs carried titles such as Buddy Bolden's "Funky Butt." Bolden never played a note in public after 1907; this sentence can be read to say that Bolden was playing/recording in the 30s. Don't know the protocol for editing, and don't much feel like stepping on the author's toes. Just figured I would point this out.  Thanks, essvee 206.81.102.145 15:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Editorial Note

message: I've tried to add a section under recent developments on the New Funk scene. This could use its own page and expansion. Also the Deep Funk collectors scene could use a write up and/or page. 
Everytime I've added a link related to deep funk, which involves thousands of people around the world, a user named Ezeu edits them out as spam. None of the sites I added are commercial in nature, and are the most relevant sites to this scene.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.128.95.47 (talk • contribs) 
I really must agree with the above. The "underground" Deep Funk scene is very significant and is based mainly on artists who recorded on American independant labels. As a result many of these records were often released in very small numbers and the artists never went on to become famous. However their rediscovery and reissue on 45's and compilations have greatly increased the ownership of such tracks. Some of these tracks are now considered classics of the genre. For example "Sexy Cofee Pot" by Tony Avlon and the Belairs, "Iron Leg" By Mickey and the Soul Generation, or "Baby Don't Cry" by The Third Guitar. I would add this section myself but I think it really should be written by somebody who specialises in collecting funk 45's.
Philster 16:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Funk/Deep Funk 

message: I removed the chiptune funk section. Chiptunes in general are quite far from funk. Funk is more closely related to Toe Jam & Earl game that was mentioned (that section can be returned in some form). (Also some scenemusicians such as Moby (not that famous Moby) and Nuke made funky MOD-music for Amiga). --128.214.205.5 09:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chiptune funk

message: According to some reviewers this book contains inaccuracies, especially amongst its album and track listings.  Should this be mentioned in the 'Further reading' category? Deke42 21:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it seems like he churns books out covering many genres and is an expert on none of them. I say remove it if it's not a reliable source. Dissolve 00:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dave Thompson's 'Funk'

message: Someone should write about go go on here, since it's one of two sub-genres listed, and doesn't even get a sentence. I would do it but don't know much about it.  --Awiseman 17:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Another glaring omission is a section on Sly & The Family Stone. I can add Go-go and Sly when I get a chance. Dissolve 17:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Go go 

message: Ok, I semiprotected the article. I'll add it to my watchlist. ---J.S  (T/C) 23:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made a case on Talk:Spam blacklist for one of the primary anonymous link spammers on this article (and twenty-some other articles) to be blacklisted. If you or any other admin can speed this along it would probably help the situation a good bit. Dissolve 01:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't realy have any standing on meta. ---J.S  (T/C) 06:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  protected 

message: Let's try unprotecting--it's been quite a while, and the worst spam culprit is now on the blacklist.  Let me know or post to WP:RFPP if it becomes a problem again.  Chick Bowen 06:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it lasted 10 days before the idiot crew arrived....  Is this a record? --Deke42 19:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprotected 

message: The Pod Of Funk is a blog (no: it's a PODCAST, i.e it contains enclosed media files Deekdeekster 08:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is the item about a "symmetrical relationship" - but I don't want to try to explain it here... and I don't really like it on WP:EL anyway. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 00:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pod of Funk 

message: "Already, in late 1960s, many jazz musicians — among them Horace Silver, Herbie Hancock (with his Headhunters band), Grover Washington, Jr., and Cannonball Adderley, Les McCann and Eddie Harris — had begun to combine jazz and funk. Sometimes this approach is called "jazz-funk". Additionally, in the late 1960s work of Miles Davis (with girlfriend/wife Betty Davis) and Tony Williams helped to create Jazz fusion and influenced funk."
The Headhunters had not even been assembled until '73- It is erroneous to include the group as "late 1960's" pioneers of jazz funk. Of course, Herbie IS a seminal figure in the movement and his name is synonymous with the word 'funk-' but not with the Headhunters in the 60's. 
More should be written here about Jazz-Funk.Wahwahwilliam 05:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1970s and P-Funk 

message: I assume the funk styles article relates here. Paul foord (talk) 02:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: How does funk styles (dance) fit?

message: Herb Bombgarden and the Little Yogurts should be added to the list of funk bands.  They are very popular in Finland but no one knows about them elsewhere.  I went back there this summer and watched a show and it took my breath away
That's far better! Since the last time I looked, the New Funk/ Deep Funk addition, plus that of several other users has greatly improved the article which is now looking cosiderably more accurate. It is a good idea to have a separate page for Deep Funk.
:There's a host of world class funk bands out of Scandinavia.  It's one of the 'secret stash' sources.Deke42 (talk) 19:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herb Bombgarden and the Little Yogurts  

message: As someone who knows very little about this subject and has just stumbled across these pages i can't help noticing the similarity of content between a lot of the pages within this genre. Specifically Funk rock has identical paragraphs. Could do with a good tidy up, but then couldn't everything... :s extraordinary (talk) 15:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate content

message: The first artist to combine funk with psychedelic rock were the Beck/Page era Yardbirds, on Happenings Ten Years Time Ago.  Jimi Hendrix's recorded contribution came later.  I have not been able to find a source, but I urge anyone who doubts me to listen to the song, which was released in October 1966. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.130.194 (talk) 07:15, June 24, 2008
A good article let down by those so called "funk categories" towards that end which are laden with inaccuracies and of such dubious significance/truth that they undermine the whole article. Why does the the obsession with rock persist to the extent that it even makes an irrelevant apperance in an article about funk music?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.196.229 (talk) 18:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funk rock 

message: Intro says "Funk is an American musical style that originated in the mid- to late-1960s when African American musicians blended soul music, soul jazz and R&B into a rhythmic, danceable new form of music", which suggests that funk is a fusion genre. That's not the case. As we all know funk is simply a harder and more complex version of soul (probably with influenced from jazz and acid rock). And mentioning R&B as on of the sources makes no sense, as funk and soul already are  sub-genres of R&B. Netrat_msk (talk) 17:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you need to learn that the term "R&B" was almost exclusively used as a blanket term during the late 1950s to the 1980s, to label any African American sung music. Read R&B article, it clears up the situation, and don't get confused with the statements like "Funk=R&B", they are pretty much the same kind of statements like "Hip hop=Funk". -- 217.21.43.222 (talk) 14:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: The forgotten thing is Drum and bass  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.101.73.105 (talk) 13:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drum n bass 

message: *"History" section lacks huge portions of information on the 1970s and funk, I mean on how funk was overcome by disco in the early 1970s, how it became less "rock" and more danceable to the mid-70s, how it became popular again to the late 1970s, and how it overcame disco in the early 80s.
*"History" section also lacks information on the formation of hip hop in the early to mid-70s in NY: the introduction of Merry-Go-Round in 1972, first block parties, the application of Jamaican sound system culture to funk etc.
*The article lacks huge portions of information on the subculture that surrounded funk music - afro hair, african wear, beards among African Americans; it lacks the information about connections of funk with The Civil Rights Movements.
*I can hardly find any information about the contribution of Latin American community to the formation of funk, on how boogaloo influenced the creation of funk etc.
*"History" section should be categorised into sub-sections named like "1960s: the formation of funk", "early 1970s: merry-go-round, creation of disco", "mid-1970s: creation of hip hop, funk becomes more danceable" etc., etc., but not into sub-categories like "P-funk", because they make the navigation throught the article more difficult.
*Funk rock history seems over-biased. I have the passage about "the first funk-rock record" being recorded in "1966" (around the time of formation of funk itself), based on the presence of "funky rhythm" in those records, as if funk is only defined by funky rhythms. I was lucky to hear some British blues-rock from the mid to late 1960s, and some of those blues rock tracks had more "funky" rhythms than any funk recordings I've heard. -- 217.21.43.222 (talk) 14:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure you're right.  But do you have good sources for these statements? - see WP:V.  If you do, we'd welcome your input - either directly into the article, or here on the talk page if you want to get other editors' involvement first.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure I can find sources for most of the claims I've made above. -- 217.21.43.222 (talk) 05:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little bit of critique 

message: The statement in the subgenre discussion about Earth Wind and Fire being disco-influenced should be questioned since their "funk sound" was prevalent years before disco.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freejazzman58 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: In the 2nd line the bar has 5 quarters which doesn't make sense to me. Can anyone explain or is it just wrong?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.177.214.95 (talk) 07:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in the Notes.tif 

message: I deleted this from the article:
::"However, according to Billboard Magazine, only Sly & the Family Stone and the Ohio Players had singles which made it to #1 on its U.S. singles chart."
That's totally false. Indeed, if nothing else, Billboard Magazine indicates that Stevie Wonder had the following singles that made it to #1 on the U.S. singles chart from 1974 to 1977 (at least one of which is classic "funk"):
1. You Haven't Done Nothin (Tamla Records); hit the Top 40 on August 17, 1974; was on the chart for 14 weeks, including one week at #1.
2. I Wish (Stevie Wonder song) (Tamla Records); hit the Top 40 on December 4, 1976; was on the chart for 15 weeks, including one week at #1. This record is essential "funk".
3. Sir Duke (Tamla Records); hit the Top 40 on April 16, 1977; was on the chart for 13 weeks, including three weeks at #1.
Yours, Famspear (talk) 03:00, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect, unsourced statement removed

message: I think it might be a god idea to include hip hop in the list of funk-derivatives. Hip-Hop originated out of MCs not so much rapping but hyping the crowd up for the real star: the DJ, who would play breakbeats from funk songs. Even now funk samples are prevalent in Hip Hop and the drum and bass programming of modern hip hop is often very reminiscent of Funk rhythmically (not too mention the lack of harmonic progression). This is partially adressed in the G-Funk section, but I think it's worth expanding upon.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.46.79 (talk) 02:35, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hip-Hop 

message: I strongly suggest that a section be devoted to "Blue Note" style funk. I knew "funk" to be the music of Gene Ammons, Jimmy Smith, Blue Mitchell, Lee Morgan, Horace Silver, Lou Donaldson, et al, decades before I ever heard the term applied to James Brown and cohort. I was a disc jockey in the late 60's, early 70's. I played lots of music by James Brown et al, but I never heard "funk" applied to it. The Blue Note compendium of "Funk and Blues" begins with music recorded in 1954. The Wikipedia disambiguation page does have a link to the 1957 Gene Ammons album "Funky," but that's all there is. Jive Dadson (talk) 23:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue Note type funk 

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message: There is a discussion taking place about whether templates (primarily infoboxes) for funk and closely related genres should use a different color than the orange currently used for soul music, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force/Colours#Should Funk be a different colour than Soul? LifeofTau 20:53, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force/Colours 

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message: At least one artist listed is not noteworthy and appears to have vandalized the page to advertise for herself.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.93.161.94 (talk) 11:52, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women in funk section appears to contain advertising 

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message: This section relies almost entirely on a single source, and in any case I am skeptical of Wikpedia copying the conclusions of such litcritty work. You'd get the impre≥≥ssion from the section that funk could only be concerned with politics! --Eldomtom2 (talk) 22:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocals and lyrics 

message: "Soul music with a greater emphasis on the beats and rhythms of an arrangement, influences from rhythm and blues and jazz" 
:Please add the source. Isebito (talk) 16:02, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The source has been added. Change the description again, and you will be reported. I'm sick of this. StephenCezar15 (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has been reverted to the version before the edit war. But the administrator recognizes that "Encyclopedia of African American Music" I initially added is a perfectly good textbook, while your source is shitty. I have no intention of rejecting to build a consensus with you. Please prove that your editing is based on a proper source that outweights "Encyclopedia of African American Music". I give you a week to seek a proper source. If you don't prove it, I'll re-edit the article, based on "Encyclopedia of African American Music".Isebito (talk) 13:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

text: You haven't shown the reason for deleting "Encyclopedia of African American music". In addition, no basis for your description of the stylistic origins are found in " Kill 'Em and Leave: Searching for James Brown and the American Soul, p. 132-150". Your sourcing is vague or inappropriate.Isebito (talk) 12:13, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like you haven't read the source. Plus I don't think sourcing other encyclopedias is appropriate either. StephenCezar15 (talk) 13:39, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

text: You also seem to be confused about the usage of the stylistic origins section. I've read the source you're using and there's no evidence that the author said that Funk evolved from "black rock" , gospel and jazz fusion. She's saying it's a mixture of those genres. We're stating where Funk came from not what it's a mixture of. StephenCezar15 (talk) 13:44, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The word "mixture" can also refer to the origin. Now I remeber, Ricky Vincent has also referred to jazz fusion, gospel, and black rock, making the lineage tree of funk. Frankly speaking, the argument about "mixture" is barren. Of course, your view should be also respected. You have freedom of speech. But wikipedia doesn't need your personal view. On wikipedia, you cannot personally judge whether contents of academic books are right. Naturally, I cannot also judge. As long as other academic persons point out mistakes, the source could be deleted. I asked you to show the reason for deleting the source. The thing I want isn't your personal view, but other academic person's one. Isebito (talk) 15:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Respectfully, it's not my personal view. The source looks very flawed and it seems like these academics do not know anything about music. If you wish, I can find an academic expert and dispute your source. I'll leave it alone until then. Deal? StephenCezar15 (talk) 23:03, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't oppose your suggestion. But the academic expert's view couldn't be immediately reflected in the article, even if it's right. The reason is that Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The sources require publishing. The expert cannot demonstrate the mistake on Wikipedia. Of course, if the expert shows sources which directly indicate the description of the encyclopedia is wrong, the view would be immediately reflected.Isebito (talk) 01:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, for those of you unfamiliar with the term's origins, "edit war" shares common roots with the expression "get a life". Just saying. 😁 – AndyFielding (talk) 05:48, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stylistic origins