Talk:University of Notre Dame/Archive 2

message: Why two full paragraphs on the nickname? The stereotype for decades was that Irish people get drunk and fight. ND turned the derision into a mascot like "Yankee Doodle." Where's the mystery? --Tysto 15:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fightin' Irish" nickname 

message: The appearance of the top of the page is decidedly ugly and very un-Notre Dame like. I am thinking of heading it with a photo instead of the rival University box on the right and contents box on the left.  Anything would help, at this point.  Let me know if you have any ideas.  --Vaquero100 15:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top of the page 

message: I find it interesting that when i listed the Princeton Review ranking of ND has the second most homophobic school in the country, It gets removed. But then someone added from the same survey that it is a "dream school". Is this a encyclopedia or a brochure?--Bud 05:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princeton Review 

message: Former sentences were:
 However, recent historical study has shown that the Potawatomi Indians,
 partly due to the strong faith of Leopold Pokagon, played an integral role
 in the founding of Notre Dame both before and during Sorin's presence in Northern Indiana.
 However, the Native American role in the founding of the school has been long forgotten, 
 largely due to Sorin's questionable, and perhaps dishonest, dealings with the Potawatomi.
 {{see Langer, Peter.  Slumbering Echoes: Potawatomi Indians, Catholic Priests, 
 and the University of Notre Dame du Lac, 1830-1852. (University of Notre Dame Archives,
 2006).}}
I've removed the NPOV, but a larger question remains, does this book/paper actually exist.  I find no (non Wikipedia) reference to it via google: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Slumbering+Echoes%22+Potawatomi+Indians&num=100&hl=en&lr=&filter=0  There is a ND student named Peter Langer who works in the Dining Hall, but that appears to be the only Langer affiliated with the school http://apps.nd.edu/webdirectory/directory.cfm?cn=langer&submit3=Search
:There has been no response on the authenticity of the work, so I removed the reference and sentence. -- KelleyCook 16:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slumbering Echoes 

message: The article states that Notre Dame is the only school besides the US service academies to offer full-pad, full-contact intramural football.  Brigham Young University-Idaho (a sister school of BYU) in Rexburg, Idaho also offers full-pad and full-contact intramural football.  --JonRidinger 23:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intramural Football 

message: Anybody know the name of the UND Leprechaun?  Trekphiler 09:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where the hell's that gold? 

message: I want to clarify why I replaced this info in the "Reputation" section after it was blanked (by, I think, an anon user).  1) The information is properly cited, 2) it's no more or less relevant than any other Princeton Review ranking, including the other ones in this article "list of student 'dream schools'" (which, incidentally, aren't REF'd).  It's a thing some potential students might very well need to consider.  
Just wanted to put something on the talkpage so disagreement (if there is any) happens here, and not in the form of an edit war in the article.  Thanks.  Ford MF 21:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet it is completely irrelevant trivia from a survey that is completely unimportant to this page.  Go create a Low Acceptance of Gays page if you wish.  Reverted for about the 5th time. -- KelleyCook 18:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Apparently that title is one that the article gave the list though.  Let me dig up the actual one the Princeton Review used.  Ford MF 20:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The most current title for that Princeton review survey is "Alternative Lifestyles Not an Alternative" ( http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/rankings/rankingCategory.asp?categoryID=2 ). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Primadog (talk • contribs) 10:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Princeton Review]] and "Colleges with Low Acceptance of Gays" 

message: Does anyone have a suitable image of Touchdown Jesus from within the stadium that we could place in Notre Dame Stadium? --ZimZalaBim (talk) 15:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of Touchdown Jesus from in stadium 

message: The University of Notre Dame is among the most prestigious schools in the country. Doesn't it deserve a more thorough article? Let's go Wiki people! GregaR89 23:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, what a helpful comment. Why not try and contribute yourself? --MrCalifornia 16:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Length 

message: The name of the main quad in front of the main building is not the "God Quad."  That is an informal designation and doesn't belong as the heading of an image in an encyclopedia. 129.74.86.52 19:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "God Quad" moniker 

message: I think it would a worthwhile addition to this article to include some of the links between anti-catholicsm in the United States and Notre Dame.  Possibilities include disturbances between the Klu Klux Klan and the student body, how ND was originally kept out of the Big Ten, and mentioning of some theories as to why this might be Notre Dame football became popular nation wide. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.189.5.201 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Catholicsm 

message: I know this has been discussed before (somewhat), but I don't think that the reputation section as it is should be in the article. It became a place for people to praise the school or disparage it by putting in sourced rankings from random studies. I'm not saying the sources like the Princeton Review are arbitrary, but it seems that people wanting to "praise" Notre Dame find a "good" ranking in one study and people wanting to "attack" (attack is probably too harsh, but I'm sure you get the point) find a "bad" ranking in another. I'm not advocating taking out the reputation section, however it should be re-written in paragraph form. Featured articles such as Cornell University, Duke University, and Michigan State University have "Rankings" sections, however these are used for academic rankings only. I think that the article should be restructured so that the "Academics" section under "Reputation" is moved up the page and written as a paragraph instead of a list (the infobox on the side serves the list's purpose so should probably be moved also). Then perhaps some of the points (or all) under "Other" in the reputation section could be made into a new "Reputation" section with a sub-section on criticisms, but still all being in paragraph form instead of the list it is in right now. I'll try and work on this in the next few days I guess unless anyone has any better ideas. If this doesn't start a debate I'll try and change some things and hopefully then if people disagree we can talk about it here. Phydend 20:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reputation section 

message: The reference to Harry Potter's set designers visiting South Dining Hall seems baseless. South Dining hall is loosely modelled after the gothic dining halls at Oxford and Cambridge. The originals seem to be far truer to the movies set. Unless evidence or a citation can be provided, I think it should be deleted.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.180.165.62 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry Potter? 

message: I think you need to have more than personal experience to recommend the removal/editing of this statistic.  I could easily weigh in with my own personal experience in argument against your suspicion, if personal experience were considered a valid source.  Colliflower13 17:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspect claim in "student" section 

message: First of all, the edit warring over whether to describe ND as Catholic or Roman Catholic must stop. Second, I believe the University's Mission Statement provides closure on the issue. While it notes that the focus on the University's "flow from three characteristics of Roman Catholicism" it states much more definitively that "The University of Notre Dame is a Catholic academic community of higher learning" and that "As a Catholic university one of its distinctive goals...". These statements reveal the University does appear to self-identify itself primarily as "Catholic". --ZimZalaBim talk 18:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's edit warring. The IP in question just came off of a block for a week for adding false information to a multitude of pages and this has been one of them. Anytime anyone tried to talk on the IP's talk page about it, just kept editing. The mission statement does say, as you quote, that the university flows from the characteristics of Roman Catholicism. I definitely take that to mean it identifies itself as Roman Catholic. Maybe you don't see it that way, however, for the Law School, on its site it states (here) "Founded in 1869, the Notre Dame Law School is the oldest Roman Catholic law school in the United States." That I believe is definitive proof for at least the law school to be changed back. Phydend 23:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  With the amount of nonsense edits being made by the aforementioned IP user and the statement I found on the ND Law school's website, I assumed the changes they were making were further nonsense.  I really don't care what the article says as long as the changes are verifiable. Terryfoster 13:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems we have an odd discrepancy between the main university's mission statement and the law school. Clearly, the University and the Holy Cross priests who run it are members of the Roman Catholic church, but it is add that they seem to consciously remove the "Roman" when referring to themselves in the mission statement. I'm guessing that might be a reflection of the Land O'Lakes statement where American Catholic universities declared independence from papal control in Rome (thus, dropping the "Roman"?). I agree that it doesn't matter all that much which way we describe them, but the duality of verifiable references does complicate things. --ZimZalaBim talk 13:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is weird that there is a discrepancy. I actually don't care what way it is described, I think this time I reverted automatically because of the IP's history of adding false information. I should probably have assumed good faith and started this discussion here first. Anyway, right now the link redirects to "Roman Catholic church" so it's asinine to keep changing it. I'm fine with leaving it for now until we can possibly get a definitive answer. Phydend 14:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the difference.  They are just different names for the same thing, there shouldn't be a big deal made out of it. Banime (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic vs. Roman Catholic 

message: I've got a problem with: "Notre Dame, meaning "Our Lady" in French,[5] refers to the Virgin Mary. The original and official name of the school is the University of Notre Dame du Lac (Our Lady of the Lake)."--165.12.252.11
What I'm saying is that "Our Lady of the Lake" probably doesn't refer to the virgin Mary at all but to the aquatic damsel of Arthurian legend. When was the Virgin Mary ever associated with a lake?(talk) 06:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our Lady?