Talk:Mother of Fraternities

message: In early September 2021, an anonymous editor, whom we'll call Anon, deleted the sentence and reference that described the formation of four NPC sororities at Longwood University in Virginia, called the Farmville Four. It had been included in the article as a similar formation group as those at Miami University (the Miami Triad) and at Union College (the Union Triad).  I reverted his/their edit, and surprisingly, Anon made the same edit.  I've now reverted it a second time.  In the latter instances Miami and Union have earned their respective colleges the title of Mother of Fraternities.  For some reason, Anon explained his edit by saying that fraternities do not exist at Longwood...  Well, yeah.  But this is a non sequitur, and misses the point that the grouping of four sororities formed there is a similar historical event as occurred at the two places called the Mother of Fraternities. 
Also, on the term "mother of fraternities", most of us understand that the majority of sororities are legally named as women's fraternities, formed before the term "sorority" was popularized.
Of course another solution, aside from having the Longwood sentence here in this article, is to write a separate article about the Farmville Four, which no one has yet done.  These four sororities are solid members of the NPC, with hundreds of chapters and as valid a claim to importance as the six or eight fraternities formed at Miami and Union.  The "Farmville Four" name is important to them, and to the college.
Besides, were there two separate articles, a reasonable editor may very well crosslink the two under a "See Also" header.  Thus I don't see the point of burying the information about the Longwood grouping. I'll revert this again when I see it.  Hopefully Anon understands that this kind of discussion ought to take place on the Talk page.  Jax MN (talk) 00:23, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: After working to improve this article and finding needed sources, I wanted to let you know that I have decided to remove the section on Longwood. I like your idea and the connection you want to make. However, this section only has one source. The source does not include the term "Farmville Four" nor does it equate the women's fraternity/sorority cluster to the "mother of all fraternities" concept. It also only backs a small portion of the section.  After doing some hunting, I did find one usable source that mentions the phrase "Farmville Farm"; however, it does not mention the "mother of fraternities/sororities" phrase or concept. Even the state historic sign for the Farmville Four does not reference the topic. Without a source, your connection of Longwood to this article falls under original research which is not allowed on Wikipedia. You can restore this content when you find an appropriate source. However, please note that this article is not about colleges noted for being the founding place for many Greek letter organizations, but about colleges that are actually called the "Mother of Fraternities". If you can find a source that talks about the "Mother of Sororities", I think this content would fit. Rublamb (talk) 02:13, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that's too bad.  The four sororities all refer to that term, Farmville Four, with pride.  I hadn't found a more appropriate article where this could have been included, as here it was germane to the topic as an offshoot term. We can let it go down the memory hole. Jax MN (talk) 06:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a source. Not great, but good enough to restore Longwood to the article. However, I have re-written the text and am still excluding the background section which was unsourced. Note that the Farmville Four is also included in the article on Triad, which is linked in the see also section of this article. Rublamb (talk) 14:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Jax MN (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longville comparison 

message: "Several other early alpha chapters in the Greek system…were founded at Union as well." Of the fraternities mentioned, only Theta Delta Chi has an active chapter at Union College with the letter Alpha. They use the term "charge" for "chapter" but that's a particularity of Theta Delta Chi.  As to the others: Psi Upsilon's chapter uses the letter Theta and has not been active since 2014, Chi Psi uses the letter Pi (but confusingly calls its chapters "alphas"), and Omicron Kappa Epsilon did use Alpha. 2601:283:8201:25F0:89A6:E806:39E2:198B (talk) 18:46, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Anon, I added an EFN note to the offending paragraph. I trust this resolves your concern. Jax MN (talk) 19:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alpha is used incorrectly for Union College