Talk:Peter Petrelli/Archive 3

message: My apologies if this issue has already been covered in my absence, but a thought occurred to me. Peter's basic empathic power allows him to mimic the abilities of superpowered individuals, either through proximity or, after his training with Claude, recall. Sylar, on the other hand, physically 'steals' the powers of individuals by "eating their brains", as Molly Walker puts it. Peter has shown that he can mimic Sylar's supposed baseline power, telekinesis, (it was used against him during their confrontation in "Homecoming",) but a question comes to mind. Has it been confirmed that Peter can access a) any/all of Sylar's acquired abilities, or b) only those abilities that Sylar has used in proximity of Peter? Naturally there is going to be an overlap, but I think the question is valid. Radical AdZ (talk) 13:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No apologies necessary. It's always good to ask. However, the questions you posed is outside the purview of this article and our mandate as editors, as any answer that could possibly be provided would be little more than speculation. We can only include reliably-cited, verifiable information here. Your question is best posed to a fan forum, where there are no prohibitions as to speculative discussions. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 18:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I was just checking to see if there was indeed any official confirmation, but I think I will pose the question to some of the guys on Tim Sale's forum. ;) Radical AdZ (talk) 01:39, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter/Sylar's Powers: Where does one end and the other begin? 

message: I propose the addition of Episode Number and Season Number to the column, "Episode first exhibited".  It appears to be displayed in the right order but it would be nice to be specific and it doesn't appear that it would hurt. Antelope In Search Of Truth (talk) 03:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it isn't really necessary. More important than the grab bag of what powers Peter acquires is the actual story. Don't you think? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for Addition to Powers and abilities Table 

message: I'd like to get rid of the alternate future sections. They are outdated and invalid since Peter stopped that version of the future from happening. Yes, I understand there are references to the future in the new season but to keep the information on the off chance that it will be related to something that might come up is the embodiment of WP:CRYSTAL. We need to purge these sections. padillaH (review me)(help me) 13:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tomàs, I think that we should take a more wait-and-see attitude. If the new information doesn't refer to any info from the past season (and remember, there that enormous plot hook of that Irish gal stuck in a future that apparently Is No More). It isn't CRYSTAL to retain it, as it still remains pertinent. Indeed, it might be considered CRYSTAL to purge it believing that the future depicted will not come to pass. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the whole point of the season one finale was that Sylar had been stopped and the future that was witnessed by Hiro had been averted. We've already waited an entire season (truncated but still a season). At what point do we decide we've waited long enough to stop singling out this one episode? (FWIW, I'm Thomas(English spelling), it's my dad who's Tomàs(Puerto Rican native), but thank you for the attempt) padillaH (review me)(help me) 15:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That may have been the point, but we haven't yet had someone citable come forth to say that. Unless someone does, we have to (illogically) presume that the future has not yet been changed. As for the Tomàs/Thomas mistake, i took it from your own sig, which I thought identified you. ;) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we still need the Alternate Future sections? 

message: Could you please show or link to the discussion that resulted in this consensus? Fredmdbud (talk) 00:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, See archive 2-5. You can mostly avoid 1, as that was more of the same fannish crazyness. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: consensus 

message: *For convenience, the long-held consensus is that we do not list where Peter obtained his powers, due to the often murky nature of how they are acquired. To list where we think they come from is synthesis, part of our original research policy. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Read this First! 

message: IMO we should list the sources of his acquired powers in the table as we do for Sylar. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 05:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe if you weren't concealing your IP address, we wouldn't have to guess, anon 75. How many times do you have to be asked to start an account. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 00:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm not aware of any official term, they call it body insertion on Heroes Wiki. IMO the current description is fine. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

text: If we don't know it, it doesn't go in the article. You bring up a good point, we don't know what powers, if any or all, were absorbed. So we should either say what was shown (the electricity part) or not say anything. I vote for saying something ambiguous until we find out just what happened. Padillah (talk) 13:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "An event happened to Peter, caused by Arthur Petrelli." ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 13:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:   :-D Good point. Maybe we can put a little effort into it. Padillah (talk) 14:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acquired powers 

message: Would someone care to discuss the rationale for removing the acquired powers from the wikitable? Padillah (talk) 12:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powers in a table or not? 

message: This may not be correct, but my theory is that the "illusion casting" power that Future Peter uses to take away the scar is Matt's power.  Should that be noted?  68.214.212.186 (talk) 21:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You say "This may not be correct" and that it's "your theory". Probably best it isn't noted. Perhaps a good theory on the Heroes wiki. I personally thought it was a power similar to Candice's.-- WORMMЯOW  21:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illusion Casting 

message: *For convenience, the long-held consensus is that we do not list where Peter obtained his powers, due to the often murky nature of how they are acquired. To list where we think they come from is synthesis, part of our original research policy. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Read this First! 

message: Arcayne, I think we may have to backtrack on the "Claude wasn't calling his power 'Empathy'" line. Now we've got another character discussing, out of hand, that he bumped into "an Empath" (I know the CC says "I'm at an impasse" but the context for that statement is all wrong). That's two in-show references to his being "an Empath", we may have to give this one over. Padillah (talk) 11:54, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Season Premiere Sept. 22nd, 2009

message: Now I read alot of the Peter's abilities arugment thingy, but theres no way im gonna read all of it, its a very long discussion. Mainly i thinks its only right to say what abilities he has or had at some time or another. After all, his powers are a large part of what he is, and what he has become. Right?
What I'm saying is that there should be a column in this article like there is in the Sylar article. The interesting thing about Peter is that he got powers from his brother and mother (for a brief amount of time) before you knew too much about it all. Like he knew when Nathan and his wife got into an accident, (cause he dreamt it), way before it was revealed that Angela could do so. Doesn't matter how brief of a time he had a certain power, because it still has shaped the character. He used that he new about Nathans' car accident before he got the call in like the first episode, and it really made him believe that he had powers.
But "Peter's original ability is to mimic the powers of others, acquiring powers simply by being near someone. Peter is eventually stripped of his abilities, before later regaining a modified form of this ability." is really the only bit of information (in the Powers and abilities section) about Peters powers for the first two season, and first 39 episodes of the series. If you removes the powers for those 39 episodes, why not just remove other stuff for the 39 episode, cause they have shaped the character heaps. But what many people said above is correct. And while I do understand the Batman utility belt argument, the big difference is; that batmans utility belt is a plot device, where as peters powers shape in.
In final my argument is this; His previous powers has shaped him and has made him who he is. Hypothetically, Say if Luke Campbell had depression from 12 years until 14 years of age. Although he no longer has it, the experience would certainly shaped and changed him. You get me?IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 01:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I do get you, Iam. The difference between Sylar and Peter is that Sylar opens up your head and takes your ability and, with the exception of Claire, you are pretty much taking a dirt nap. It no longer becomes imporant who he got the power from, from a television serial point of view. Peter interacts with the people who he mimics, and their power - and their story is continuing. Peter's ability is indeed a plot device. They are not who Peter is. Who Peter is, and not what Peter is, is what helps shape the plot. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 16:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How bizarre, I came to the same conclusion as you but from a completely different POV. I think Sylar's power-grabs are significant because they are actionable - He does them on purpose with the goal of obtaining the power. Peter did nothing to get his powers. Noting them is akin to noting that he was breathing in the last episode. Until recently I didn't consider there to have been an action of "Peter getting X power", he simply stood there and was blessed from above. Now that he has to participate in the power taking and make judgments, which power to take and at what time, it's getting to be more of a conscious decision and, thus, more notable. Odd line of reasoning, but there it is. Padillah (talk) 15:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now...