Talk:Patrick K. Kroupa

message: Anyone who says they or anyone else uses $1,000 a day worth of heroin is probably lying, the farther in the past, the more likely it is a lie.  He wasn't using $1,000 worth of heroin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.149 (talk) 10:10, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that such a person would be exaggerating? Might it also be exaggerating if "in numerous interviews he has repeatedly listed two events which were important in shaping the course of his later years... being exposed to one of the first two Cray supercomputers [and] being part of the last days of Abbie Hoffman's ... Yippie meetings". Rather than "changing his perceptions about technology", maybe all this self-attachment to cultural icons is a way of enhancing one's own street cred. But wouldn't such a person also rock a "cool" look? 96.224.34.168 (talk) 03:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Heroin Use

message: I am trying to tie together the important points from 2000 to present day, I've been working on refs for a while and will add it soon. It's taking a while because I want to be very careful about making any statements or comments that are not appropriate, so I am sticking mostly with Kroupa's own writings on drugs, post 2000 from MAPS, Heroin Times, the Stanton Peele web site and material from ibogaine.mindvox.com, balancing it with third-party media pieces and what has aired on television or on film, the LunArt films, bios from the Drug Policy Alliance and Harm Reduction Coalition, published conference reviews, video from NBC, KRON, Telemundo Networks Worldwide, Clearlight video (covering Kroupa, Dr. Mash, Dana Beal, Ed Rosenthal, Chris Conrad and Dennis Peron in San Francisco) CBC, and the BBC. I am also using the two books Black Hat and Hip: the History, which are both recent books covering Kroupa without mindvox and focusing almost completely on drugs. Finally I am using the promo materials sent to colleges, when the Yippe Speaking Tour was doing college campus talks during 2003, with Kroupa, Hunter S. Thompson, Grace Slick, Dana Beal, etc. This comes from the exact media kit mailed to the Offices of Student Affairs (which is where my interest came from in the first place ;-) the web site which I think is on ice now, is at: http://yippie.mindvox.com)
Other pieces I know about which I do not have access to are the Knitting Factory, Viper Room shows, anything with Robert Altman shooting video and a lot of other stuff I have missed I'm sure.
If anyone has further refs from after 2000 not listed above, please drop me a talk and let me know. Thanks.
TrancedOut 03:20, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever did the last edits it was not bad and comes out of published material from Hip the History and Heroin Times articles . I have changed one date which was different then what's listed, Kroupa is listed as having been in Thailand for 4 months, not 6 and made minor changes, I see the IP in talk edited hundreds of articles but this one wasn't vandalism. It's as good a starting point for after MindVox as anything else.
TrancedOut 15:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Refs for post-2000

message: Innacurate change, kroupa does original research and publishes,
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.pdf
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine.pdf
he is also employed by the ibogaine research project, with dr. deborah mash.
TrancedOut 01:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see you've already fixed it.  looks good, and thanks for all the work you've put into this article!  --Heah talk 02:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Psychedelics

message: If anyone has additional published references for the years 2002 and 2003 please share (see below). Thanks!
I am working completely from published interviews and the books I have access to that are listed in the references section. I have also borrowed heavily from the MindVox entry. If any of the numerous MindVox authors have further references or published information (by published I mean in a book, magazine or tv/film interview, not rants on the internet), I would be grateful for the assistance. Thanks
TrancedOut 02:17, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional request for references

message: Kroupa's DOB is jan 20, 1969 from John Leland's book, Hip: the History. I've seen the phrack piece but figure someone made a typo maybe, I took precedence from the published novel over the old etext. He is also listed as 1969 in drug policy alliance promo materials. Maybe write him and ask the guy? I get no replies. You're in cdc, was Kroupa in cdc or is he in cdc? Or is that a secret? ;-)
TrancedOut 03:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the delayed reply.  I'd go with the Phrack date, personally, because those "prophiles" are filled out by the people himself and I'd assume Kroupa knows his own birthdate.  Doesn't matter much, though.  As for whether or not he is in cDc, let me get back to you on that. --Myles Long/cDc 20:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, it's public now.  Kroupa is in cDc as of now.  Added it to the article.  --Myles Long 19:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DOB

message: What is Wiki policy about re-writing talk pages? I think that we've turned the talk page into a big mess, I notice that talk pages go from oldest comments to newest, while we've done the reverse and all the newest talk is at the top. I'm guilty of this since I added comments all over the place and now am putting them back on top again. Tranced you've done a lot of work, I added some of the cats in the main article and you've done a lot to make it much much better, but you've also turned most of the talk page into reverse order.
Do we fix this, should I change the talk from oldest to newest or do we not care? 
6Akira7 18:12, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk Page Cleanup?

message: Hi, I've removed the Libertarian category as there is no assertion in the article that Kroupa is a libertarian.  If anyone has any sources to back this up, please add them --Deville (Talk) 23:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libertarian cat 

message: "They went about it by arresting anybody and everybody and stomping all over civil rights and due process."
Are you fucking serious? This is Wikipedia, not the New York Times. I've tagged this article due to this and smaller texts. --68.48.82.180 02:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Tag 

message: I did a massive overhaul of the whole article, it was pretty easy as the refs are solid. All I did was read the refs as they appear in the text, then write the same thing without taking the POV which all the refs use. I cut out entire paragraphs that all seem to be doing nothing but paraphrasing kroupa's entries in Hip: The History of Cool.  If I removed anything important, then please add it back in or edit it, I did not mean to delete anything that was relevent, but there are massive changes. 
Everything before the MindVox section looks like its using many sources, it's balanced. Most of everything from MindVox all the way to MIA, was not directly related to Kroupa there was the EFF, the state of the online world, etc. The Voices paragraphs were mostly ok, they too are from many sources and POVs, but everything in the entire "MIA/DOA" section is taken from one page of that NY Times' reporters book, Hip: The History. I have that book, while it's not a copyvio, someone took exactly one page Leland wrote, then said the identical thing, using identical POV, in their own words. I removed all of it, rewrote and compressed mindvox and MIA, and put them into one non POV category, instead of 2 huge ones.
Tranced you said a year ago you would add more refs or whatever, you've written phantom access and now Mixter's entry after not doing anything for a long time and still no refs. The entire article is missing the last 6 years. 
Everything past 2000 is still missing. That's almost 7 years, this is a ways beyond a stub and has excellent refs, and its now back to facts from multiple sources lacking POV. Compare where it started, to where it ended once cut, compressed, re written. But... its nowhere near complete.
6Akira7 19:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV removed, partial copvio? removed, compressed, re written 

message: not meaning to step on any toes but overdosing on the computer geek parts of this, seems like everything that ever happened before he turned 18 is carefully documented here, but the past 10 years of the person's life are missing. Everything he's done in the last decade pertains to hardcore drugs, psychedelics and activism and research, I didn't even know about the computer stuff before reading wikipedia but I think it's mostly covered, will add some more recent material when I have references and a timeline. Psychotic Hitchhiker (talk) 03:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  how about something from this millennium? 

message: Why is the Billy Idol album, Cyberpunk, being used as a reference for this CD?  Can anyone elaborate?  Is there some reference to Kroupa in the booklet text?  There certainly isn't in any of the lyrics.--Cast (talk) 02:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billy Idol - Cyberpunk 

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thread_title: Assessment comment