Talk:Roger Ebert Should Lay Off the Fatty Foods

message: I moved the page back to 'Off' following Wikipedia:WikiProject_List_of_Television_Episodes guidelines. Off is not a preposition here it is part of a two word verb so should remain capitilised. Discordance 05:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...I'm pretty sure he specifically mentions not being able to say "t". On another note - what the hell happened to the section explaining why the episode is named after Roger Ebert?Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, rewatching it, he does pronounce it "plane'arium" except while hypnotizing the students about halfway through the episode, where he just says "planetarium" normally. Odd.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Look again.. image It's in the last seconds of the episode. And aliens in South Park are pretty common in the first seasons... Nielssonnich (talk) 15:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Rather than comparing the two, how about you find a source which clearly states that these two things are connected - a reliable source, also. ≈ The Haunted Angel 02:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, this is the way that Wikipedia works. To allow this on because you believe that they are connected (no matter how certain you are) does constitute original research - the line is drawn on whether or not you have a reliable source proving it. Without a reliable source, no matter how certain you are on the connections, it is original research. It's not a matter of me agreeing with you and adding this in myself, the point is that it's against Wikipedia regulation ≈ The Haunted Angel 12:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Possibly, but unfortunately, rules are rules. If this truly is a parody of the ToS episode, then the reader will be able to interpret that themselves - unfortunately, I do not know of any websites or sources that could back up this claim, and still be reliable. ≈ The Haunted Angel 19:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: NO THEY AREN'T! WP:IAR. If the rules make the encyclopedia worse, we don't follow it. This was the first rule, and preempts all others. If the rule doesn't make sense in a given situation, we don't follow it. — trlkly 10:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is though, in my own experience those who loudly proclaim IAR to be the only solution, never really have much of an idea what it is a solution to and what solution it's providing. In any case, a cite was found and added. Makes you wonder if those demanding it be added sans cite might not have better spent their time looking for that cite... Alastairward (talk) 22:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Very true - but I think it's simple enough to draw the line at this. I think if it's that obvious that it's a parody, then there's bound to be a source about somewhere to prove this - otherwise it simply is original research. ≈ The Haunted Angel 21:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: Trivia, removed;
* The "I Love Cheesy Poofs" song is sung to the melody of NPR's "All Things Considered".
* The laser rock shows at the planetarium are to the music of Kenny Loggins and James Taylor.
* For his audition, Cartman sings the Donna Summer song She Works Hard for the Money.
* While Cartman was auditioning, he does Michael Jackson's moonwalk.
*Additionally, on the wall behind them there is a poster that says "Who will be the next Cosette?"
* There is a scene which features a mind meld.
* The text "Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni!" appears over an archway at the planetarium. This Latin phrase translates to "Bring me up, Scotsman" (see Beam me up, Scotty), and it was previously featured in Henry Beard's book Latin for Even More Occasions.
* When the school nurse is inspecting Van Gelder, music taken from Star Trek can be heard in the background.
* The uniforms worn by the volunteers at the planetarium have the same design as those worn by the sanitarium staff in the Trek episode.
Plot reiteration;
* Dr. Adams brainwashes Officer Barbrady to think he's Elvis, whom Mr. Mackey confuses for Charlton Heston.
* Dr. Adams says at one point, "Stars are actually made of hot gas, which is exactly what comes out of Roger Ebert's mouth".
Uncited;
* During Cartman's first audition, Cartman sings the Cheesy Poofs theme and adds, "I'm talking Night Court in its fifth season lame!"
* The poor child with her mother during the callback auditions looks like Cosette from the novel Les Misérables. 
* This episode is based on the original Star Trek episode "Dagger of the Mind", including the names of the guest characters.
* The name of the planetarium is the "Tantalus V Observatory", a reference to the Tantalus Penal Colony in the Star Trek episode.
* A news anchor refers to a news reporter as a "34-year-old Asian man who looks strikingly similar to Ricardo Montalbán." Montalban played the title character in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, whose full name was Khan Noonien Singh, named after an Asian friend of Gene Roddenberry.
* Near the end of the episode, right after Dr. Adams has been hit by his mind control machine, Kyle's line "Can you imagine it, Stan? A mind...emptied by that thing..." is identical, in text and delivery, to Captain Kirk's line from the end of the episode Dagger of the Mind, when the same thing happened to the director of the sanitarium.
* Ebert is represented in one of the constellations, providing the source of the episode title. He is shown with a scowl and a thumbs down.
Alastairward (talk) 10:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: I have found a citation for the "Dagger of the Mind" spoofing in this SP episode.  I have added a sentence noting the spoof in the lead section. Ventifact (talk) 04:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an IMDB cite though, they're not particularly reliable from what I've seen. They're supposed to have some sort of check in place, but it's only been added recently. Alastairward (talk) 10:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps.  I have added more references to substantially corroborate. Ventifact (talk) 11:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At first glance, at least three of those are fan/user editable sites. Nothing better? Alastairward (talk) 13:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are the present references inadequate? Ventifact (talk) 20:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that since both of the episodes can be watched, citations are not needed. Go watch them if you believe the references are incorrect; As far as I know citations are needed in cases where information is not easily verifiable by most people. 92.80.23.71 (talk) 18:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dagger of the Mind" spoof