Talk:List of current NHL captains and alternate captains

message: What do you say we take away one of the pictures of a captain and instead put a player with an "A" there? That way we'd also have an example of an Alternate Captain!
It should be someone, though, who will be wearing an "A" for a while.
I propose John Tavares!
And, I believe that we should have a picture of Landeskog as he is the youngest captain in history and therefore more important, than say Chara.
Austin19 (talk) 00:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: In the specific cases of the St. Louis Blues, Columbus Blue Jackets & Pittsburgh Penguins, I noticed there has been error in alternate captain listings for most of the season.
For the St. Louis Blues, on their official website roster Alex Pietrangelo is listed with "A" next to his name.
For the Columbus Blue Jackets on the official website roster currently Jack Johnson, Derek Dorsett, Adrian Aucoin & Brandon Dubinsky are listed with "A" next to their names. I cannot pinpoint exactly when but they did switch up the As.
Lastly, for the Pittsburgh Penguins there is a source, coming from the Penguins official team twitter account from the beginning of the season saying that Chris Kunitz will wear alternate an A home and road split with Brooks Orpik.
I hope that will clarify any confusion that there may be. GoodDay I'm guessing you have many other responsibilities on this site besides maintaining NHL pages so as someone who watches this stuff pretty much daily I'm trying to help as best I can. --SmoothOperator88 (talk) 03:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI I contacted the Pens via twitter and they have updated their site to show Kunitz with the "A".  Hopefully that clears it up, at least until they give Iginla the "A" (just kidding). Pens Through My Lens (talk) 03:27, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012-13 Alternate Captains 

message: According to the Sabres' roster and a news release, Vanek will wear the C in home games and Ott in road games. I've got them both listed as captains right now. is this the best place for them, or should we move them to the alternate captain spot with an explanation? The comment should probably be better set up in a note; I didn't want to rock the boat on lettering just yet. Call it timid boldness. :) —C.Fred (talk) 17:22, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vanek and Ott in Buffalo 

message: Boston - announced via twitter that David Krejci will be rotating the second A with Chris Kelly.
Edmonton - Announced that RNH, Ryan Smyth and Sam Gagner will be joining Eberle, Schultz and Hall as A's.
Predators - Patric Hornqvist replaces David Legwand as one of the Predators alternate
10/4 Blues - T.J. Oshie is now an alternate captain.
10/4 Blue Jackets - Jared Boll and Mark Letestu join Jack Johnson and Brandon Dubinsky as A's. 
10/4 Avalanche - Cody McLeod officially listed on the Roster as an A.  
10/4 Canucks - For what it's worth Alex Burrows is still wearing an A during Road games along with Bieksa.
--SmoothOperator88 (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013-14 Captains and Alternates Updates 

message: If anybody has a photo of Shane Doan, with his C clearly seen, they should put it at the top of this article, in place of Zdeno Chara. Doan became Coyotes captain in 2003, while Chara became Bruins captain in 2006. GoodDay (talk) 17:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Found one on Flickr, added. (X! · talk)  · @685  ·  15:26, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top image, should be longest tenured 'current' captain. 

message: IMHO, the mass recent changes to this article's format, has made it more difficult to follow & possibly to update. I won't revert anything, as it's best to let others decide. GoodDay (talk) 17:27, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, now you're opening a thread here. Making it hard for me to follow. But I'll copy and paste what I said in the other thread: Check out MOS:DTT for more information on why those changes had to be made. Also see some of the more recent hockey lists that have become FL's. I brought that list through FLC years ago, and times and standards have changed, so it needed an update accordingly. The previous version didn't even let you sort things correctly. Gloss</span> 17:28, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think one list containing both the captain and the alternates is preferable to two separate lists.  It provides the desired information in a much more concise and easier to understand manner.  What issue with the previous version of the table violated MOS:DTT?  Nothing stands out for me.  Sorting the table by the captain since column is nice, but was possible  and correct as far as I can tell. 65.95.104.173 (talk) 06:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You could not sort the alternate captains without it breaking up the columns on the left side of the table. And for the record, I'm not done just yet. I planned on expanding the list to include the captains and alternate captain's NHL career stats (as of the most recently completed season) similar to the "List of [Team] players" lists. Doing so would not work out with them all in the same table. Gloss</span> 06:53, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand the sorting issue.  When sorting the alternate captains column, for each alternate, the correct team is shown along with his captain.  I might be missing something as the editor who previously 'Made the table sortable. Primarily for use with the "Captain Since" collumn.' self reverted with 'Never mind. Apparently it doesn't work with uneven rows lo)'.  Agree that as many more columns are added to the table, having both captain and alternate on each row makes the table less manageable.  But are individual player stats appropriate for this team based information?  65.95.104.173 (talk) 07:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this list is somewhat evenly about the team and the players. Simply put, I do think it's appropriate here. "List of captains and alternate captains" suggests this is a list about the players who serve in these roles, so including those player's statistics seems like a no-brainer. Gloss</span> 07:21, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Including player stats is going overboard. One shouldn't be fixing something that wasn't broken. GoodDay (talk) 21:28, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't fixing anything. It's improving it. This is an article about the players. "Captains and alternate captains" is in the name of the article. You're beginning to put off the impression that you'd like to disagree with everything I propose or work to improve, so I'll gladly wait for the input of other editors. Gloss</span> 21:33, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well, but until you get a consensus, please hold off from adding stats. GoodDay (talk) 21:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You're mistaken if you believe that every edit needs a consensus before being added. Wikipedia encourages editors to be bold, and I've done so by adding the statistics. If others feel they should be removed, then that's alright. But please let the discussion take place before removing based on your personal opinion and absolutely not based on any kind of policy-based reason. Gloss</span> 21:36, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes you've been BOLD, which is the first part of WP:BRD. I've Reverted, which is the second part. Now we DISCUSS, with is the final part. You don't restore your edit until you get a consensus for it. GoodDay (talk) 21:39, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I should have written it more directly rather than posing a question.  I don't think most of the individual player stats are relevant to their leadership role especially the points or penalty minutes obtained while playing for another team.  e.g. Gionta's stats with the Devils or Canadiens are not very relevant to his captaincy with the Sabres.  Total games played, makes some sense, but before any of the others I'd prefer seeing an indication of his prior leadership. i.e. promotion from alternate with same team, captaincy or alternate elsewhere, etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.104.173 (talk) 22:14, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very fair point, and I thank you for explaining yourself. Gloss</span> 22:19, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Or, do you not think it's okay that we include the statistics in those articles? Gloss</span> 21:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm very disappointed in your style of editing, via your disrespect of BRD. Such a combative approach is uncalobarotive & a bit of a turn off :( GoodDay (talk) 21:48, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a response to my question? Gloss</span> 21:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Revert you 'stats' additions & I'll answer your question. GoodDay (talk) 21:53, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That isn't how this works. I'm here to discuss a constructive change that was made that you disagree with. You reverted without citing any reason besides "I don't like it" meanwhile my edits were following a precedent set on other players lists that are currently featured lists. Gloss</span> 21:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Again, thank you for providing a valid reason. I've removed them and placed into a sandbox for myself. Appreciate the input. Gloss</span> 22:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Those were my concerns too, Echoedmyron. Thanks for wording those reasons, better then I could've. GoodDay (talk) 22:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

text: I would have to agree that their stats are completely irrelevant to this page as they don't have anything to do with their role as captain. I do however like the page as it currently stands today. -DJSasso (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Count me as another one who doesn't think the stats have a place here. It's not really relevant to their status as captain, and would needlessly clutter the table. Crispy385 (talk) 04:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

text: I agree. I tried to sort the original table a few months ago and saw that having both captain and alternate captain in one table makes that impossible, so I understand the appeal of two lists, but I don't think sorting that column is worth sacrificing the streamline of a single table. Crispy385 (talk) 04:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass changes  

message: The captains and alternate captains should be restored as a single format. This way, we're not listing NHL teams twice & we'd be making it easier for readers. Also, the article was neat & compact, the way it was. GoodDay (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I tried to sort the original table a few months ago and saw that having both captain and alternate captain in one table makes that impossible, so I understand the appeal of two lists, but I don't think sorting that column is worth sacrificing the streamline of a single table. Crispy385 (talk) 04:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-formatting of captains and alternate captains

message: The article uses dagger "†" to indicate a player that has spent his entire career with certain team. I request changing the dagger to another symbol, as the dagger in such a context is usually associated with a deceased person.
Thank You.
:What would you recommend in its place? GoodDay (talk) 15:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You're wrong. The Hurricanes captain is 'now' Justin Williams. Staal & Faulk were demoted to alternate captains. Check out Hurricanes official website. GoodDay (talk) 21:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: A request

message: The idea of noting which players have spent their entire careers with one team is nice, but adding the blue background AND the dagger is completely redundant. Only one of those two things should be needed in the article and with that, I would suggest scrapping the s because the blue background is much easier to make out throughout the article as opposed to the . Agree? Or disagree?
TheMeaningofFun (talk) 03:30, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. The blue background suffices. GoodDay (talk) 01:01, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the {{dagger}}s 

message: I don't know if Backes is now a Bruins alternate captain or not. But would wish the  would use the preview button to check his changes before implementing them. All he's doing is messing up the article. GoodDay (talk) 18:29, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Backes 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I would like to ask @GoodDay to stop removing Bo Horvat from the list, as like Elder, Tanev, Sutter, & Del Zotto, he wore the A in the same rotation as those other 4. If they would like proof, they can find it on the canucks website, under "News". Fhsig13 (talk) 22:08, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please show the source here. GoodDay (talk) 22:09, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Source: https://twitter.com/canucks/status/838197385662611456 Fhsig13 (talk) 01:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. GoodDay (talk) 01:59, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

text: The source you have provided is from last season (March 4, 2017), when he was part of the rotation. He has not once worn the 'A' this season. Refer to the roster reports from each Canucks game at NHL.com where Horvat is not listed with the 'A' in any game, or check out the images here, where Horvat is not pictured once this season with the 'A'. – Nurmsook! talk... 03:56, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

text: We're concerned only with the current season (2017-18) as to who are the captains & alternate captains of the teams. GoodDay (talk) 01:06, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Please refer to WP:OWN. You do not own this, or any other article. Should you feel that the current three opinions in favour of keeping Horvat off the list is not sufficnent, use WP:RFC. – Nurmsook! talk... 19:08, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

text: (coughs) What Nurmsook said; the content of this article is not yours to "tolerate" or not.  "Current" pertains to this season.  If you cannot provide a source backing up that Horvat has been an alternate captain THIS season, it's time to lose gracefully and move on.   Ravenswing   23:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

text: At this point I think I must ask you to put the stick down. You state: "Furthermore, it is stated NOWHERE  in the article or this take page that the article only pertains to the current season". However the title of the article is: List of current NHL captains and alternate captains. As rosters change most drastically in the offseason, it is logical to conclude that a new rotation has started and he is not current. If he ends up back in the rotation, with a verifiable source, then it can be discussed again. But at this point, the consensus seems to be against you. I think you are putting far more value on this page than there really is. Yosemiter (talk) 22:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Probably a couple of principles you need to wrap your head around, .  First off, I echo others in citing WP:OWN to you.  This is not "your" article, and we are not required to obtain your permission in order to proceed.  Secondly, I commend to you WP:V. Every other editor who's chimed in on the subject disputes your "facts," and you've failed to provide valid sources backing your POV up.  On Wikipedia, your personal speculation doesn't automatically become the truth before a reliable source says so. Thirdly, if you honestly believe that this article is "defaced and devalued" without Bo Horvat's name in it, man, you are taking this WAY too seriously.  Finally, you claim the right to dispute their ideas?  Spiffy; any editor (me included) has the self-same right to dispute yours.   Ravenswing   00:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Horvat is not in the Canucks rotation of alternate captains, this season. GoodDay (talk) 06:36, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: If by marking as "Rotating", do you mean removing all names currently associated with the alternate captain role? If so, I don't see that as particularly helpful to the reader if they just happened to come here and look for them. And as he has either declined the role or has not been assigned the role this season by his fellow players (which is how this is normally assigned after the roster transitions), then I see no reason to change right now. Yosemiter (talk) 13:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: I oppose your proposal. Things are alright the way they are. GoodDay (talk) 06:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: "without forcing us to verify each one"...this is completely opposed to WP:V, one of Wikipedia's core content policies. – Nurmsook! talk... 17:08, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: There's nothing wrong with the current layout. Del Zotto, Elder, D. Sedin, Sutter & Tanev are the alternate captains & are being shown as such, correctly. Therefore there's no reason for any changes to it. GoodDay (talk) 06:50, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canucks Alternates 

message: When this article was created, it only listed the current captains. At some point years ago, someone expanded it to include the current alternate captains. I wouldn't object to returning this article to its original criteria, of listing only the current captains. It would certainly remove any future disputes as current captains are always easily verified, where's sometimes current alternate captains aren't. Any thoughts? GoodDay (talk) 16:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I just wouldn't want to the see baby thrown out with the bath water over a few disputes. The official NHL game sheets always cite the captains, so it's not overly difficult to confirm who has worn a letter. The challenge is when teams don't formally announce who all will be a captain, so it's really just speculation if they are permanent or rotating, what the rotating system is, etc. But either way, it's still easy to confirm if they have in fact worn a letter. – Nurmsook! talk... 17:04, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: I oppose a separate page for the current alternate captains. That would defeat what I'm proposing on this page. GoodDay (talk) 17:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If that section was split out into it's own article, it likely would face a merge proposal back into this article or face an AfD. So the question really is here or nowhere. – Nurmsook! talk... 17:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Umm... "for it would be my business, not anyone else's" is absolutely not how this works. Making a new page would indeed likely be taken to AfD or Proposed Mergers. Yosemiter (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: But, @Yosemiter, if I create the new, page would that not make that my issue, and possibly the issue of anyone that chooses to help me? Fhsig13 (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I am saying what is the most likely path. But your phrasing is what I took issue with. This is a collaborative effort and you are stating it is "your" project. If you proceed on that path, Merge/Delete is the likely outcome. Yosemiter (talk) 17:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is a community. If you were to create a new page, anyone could propose a merge or take it to AfD, and anyone could comment on it. Issues on Wikipedia are everyone's issue. – Nurmsook! talk... 17:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text:  Fhsig13, seriously, read WP:OWN.  You own nothing on Wikipedia: not edits you make, not articles you create, not even your own talk page. (Neither does anyone else, of course.) I started the original Ottawa Senators article (come to that, GoodDay's the guy who's right behind me in editing that article), and it went to GA, but Alaney2K's the one who did that, and he's got over ten times the edits on that article as I  do; I don't own that article.  I have more edits than anyone on the Bruins, Whalers and Springfield Indians articles, but I created none of them, and none of them are my "issues" to manage.   Ravenswing   17:48, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Why must you insist on wasting everyone's time. If you do that, it means we have to go to a move proposal or AfD discussion, so more editors need to get involved. Disruptive editing is only going to land you in hot water with a block or permanent ban. – Nurmsook! talk... 17:55, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: I don't think this would even need to go to Proposed Mergers, there is already a consensus on this talk page that says "Don't separate it". Yosemiter (talk) 18:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Fhsig13, if you create such an article, I most definitely will agree with its deletion. Recommend that you don't follow through with such a creation. GoodDay (talk) 18:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: everyone here is telling you to not create an article that splits the alternate captains out of this article. No one agrees that such an article should exist. You are the only person advocating it. If you create such an article, not only will it be inevitably deleted, but I, or another administrator will block you. Please listen to others and don’t take these actions. only (talk) 20:24, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

text: As an uninvolved admin, I would like to point you to WP:POINT. Creating a page just to proove a point would be disruptive editing. I can guarantee you that you would be looking at a block if you created it when there is a clear consensus here that the information should remain in this page. -DJSasso (talk) 01:41, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reduce the article to just the captains 

message: Greetings,
It's my belief that, in the list of teams, St. Louis should come BEFORE San Jose alphabetically. "St." is an abbreviation that stands for "Saint", which would correctly put it before San Jose. 2601:40D:8400:D8C0:38B0:D447:9EE3:96DF (talk) 09:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The NHL spells the team name as St. Louis Blues, not Saint Louis Blues. GoodDay (talk) 13:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Thanks for your reply. However, St. still stands for "Saint", regardless of how it appears. Major League Baseball, for example, puts the "St. Louis Cardinals" ahead alphabetically of the "San Diego Padres".2601:40D:8400:D8C0:38B0:D447:9EE3:96DF (talk) 08:35, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The NHL doesn't see it that way, though. They don't see St. as shorthand for Saint. They merely see it as St.. GoodDay (talk) 13:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct alphabetization 

message: In the lead, it states Messier was the oldest NHL captain at 43 years. However, I believe Zdeno Chara recently beat him out, as he turned 43 late last season as well. I haven't been able to find a source, but I used an age calculator to find out myself. Messier (born January 18, 1961, played his last game on April 3, 2004) last appeared as captain at the age of 43 years, 2 months, 16 days. Chara (born March 18, 1977, played his final game as captain of the Bruins on August 31, 2020) was aged 43 years, 5 months, 13 days. Therefore Chara is the oldest player to appear as Captain? 
Mushh94 (talk) 05:11, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction implemented. GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Tricky question though. Messier didn't retire until the summer of 2005 & so was 44 years old & technically still captain of the Rangers. But, seeing as the 2004–05 NHL season was cancelled? we have chosen to go with the last played season criteria. See Scott Stevens, as another example. GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest captain? 

message: Apparently, the Sabres are going with no captain & only two alternate captains, this season. This appears to be an original situation for an NHL team. Usually an NHL team would select (at least) three alternate captains, if leaving the captaincy vacant. Perhaps that should be mentioned in this article. GoodDay (talk) 17:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021-22 Sabres 

message: Maybe it's fatigue. But, i'm weary (if not annoyed) with a growing friction between myself & another editor on this article & related articles. Do whatever you want. GoodDay (talk) 06:07, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islanders & Devils 

message: Umm shea weber retired last year so how can he be the captain for the Montreal canadiens CallOfDutyFan101 (talk) 21:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding a captain 

message: I wonder if it would be best, 'not' to delete any captains or alternate captains, unless they sign with another team. Otherwise, should the re-sign with the same team, we'd only be adding them back. GoodDay (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status during free-agency 

message: I just looked at the Boston Bruins Roster in the reference section and it has David Krejc listed as an Alternate Captain. So I’m not sure if the Bruins are rotating the second alternate captain position. 64.38.115.4 (talk) 13:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , it's been updated now. Captain Bergeron & alternate captains Krejci & Marchand. GoodDay (talk) 18:07, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boston Bruins 

message: I think you need to include David Pastrnak & Charlie McAvoy as Alternate captains for a few reasons:
1. They were announced as Alternate captains on the Bruins opening night
2. There are some games Krejci doesn’t have an “A” and either Pastrnak or McAvoy wear one 70.50.227.66 (talk) 16:59, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: you made Pastrnak & McAvoy. I've watched a few of the Bruins games & yes indeed, there are four alternates. GoodDay (talk) 18:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boston Bruins Alternate Captain 

message: Scott Laughton is not a defensemen as listed here, he is a centremen as listed on hockeydb and NHL.com. MintChocoChip9 (talk) 05:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected. GoodDay (talk) 06:25, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott Laughton 

message: I've been tracking teams all season and a few need updating.
Arizona - Chychrun is no longer an A, likely due to the likelihood of him being traded. Fischer, Keller, and Crouse have had the A every game this season, it's not rotating at all.
Boston - Krejci had the A at the start of the year but has not had it once since McAvoy has come back from injury. The second A has been swapping between Pastrnak and McAvoy on home/away games.
Florida - Tkachuk has had the A every single game this season. Safe to say he is one (including games where Ekblad and Hornqvist are healthy)
Philadelphia - Hayes is no longer an A. Hasn't had it once this season. Also Torts hates him, probably wouldn't put the A back on him to begin with. 206.172.0.204 (talk) 14:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: bring this too WP:HOCKEY's talkpage. BTW, Chychrun is still with the Coyotes. GoodDay (talk) 14:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say he was traded, I said its likely he was being traded this year which is why he doesn't have an A. 206.47.249.246 (talk) 14:38, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  22/23 Updates 

message: I've noticed lately, there's been a little dispute in the alternate captains section, concerning the Flyers & Ducks. Last season, the dispute concerned the Bruins. TBH, I think (because they're less stable) we should considering deleting alternate captains from this page & then re-name the page List of current NHL captains. GoodDay (talk) 17:41, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's just list the captains & accordingly re-name the article