Talk:Erik the Red

message: This article states as fact a great deal of hearsay and needs a heavy editing to seperate facts from what may or may not be true.  Eric the Red and events in the early period of Greenland are recorded only in the Saga stories of Iceland - hundreds of years after the time period and with no attempt at historical accuracy.  We have no idea, for example, how Eric the Red died or when or wether any plague took place in 1002. DHBoggs (talk) 11:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem

message: Why did 71.50.86.162 remove the phrase "mostly uninhabited"? The island was indeed mostly uninhabited in the 10th century (there may have been Inuit in the far north). It's an important point, because uninformed readers ought to know that the Norse did not displace any native people when they settled southwest Greenland. Further, it may well have been the Little Ice Age and the resulting encroachment of the Inuit upon the Norse lands that led to (or at least contributed to) the disappearance of the latter in the 15th century. Their history very nicely illustrates the interplay of climate and human settlement, i.e. the Inuit were accustomed to a colder climate, hence throve in SW Greenland even as the Norse were just barely clinging on. Whereas in the 10th century those areas were just right for the Norse and too "tropical" for the Inuit. --Cubdriver 16:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: mostly uninhabited?

message: The part that says that Eystribyggð means "Red Dragon" in old swedish seems really strange to me. I don't know Old Swedish, but in Norwegian the names of the two villages sound more like "Eystribyggð=Østerbygd=East Village" and "Vestribyggð=Vesterbygd=West Village" to me.
user:Poccil, this phrase is a rather recent addition by you, do you have any basis for it?(Note left on Poccil's talk page).--MaxMad 09:34, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Dragon? 

message: In order to comply with the "Use Common Names" policy, this aricle should be moved to Eric the Red, because that name is more common.  Nohat 20:44, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: There is also a movable and extremely resistant drilling platform that goes by the name of Eirik Raude. Shouldn't that be mentioned, or a new article created?
--Cctoide 21:50, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eirik Raude 

message: The article sez "the Red" was "perhaps because of his surly temper". I've red he was driven out of every place he lived (Norway, Haukadal, Breida Fjord) because of "some killings", & "the Red" was more likely "the Bloody" (but more polite...).  Trekphiler 17:45, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Eric the Bloody?

message: The most recent edit has careful removed all cases of the passive voice and replaced them with often awkward constructions. A body of water for example "takes the name" of Eriksfjord. This is just plain wrong: the  fjord didn't go to court and get its name changed! It was given that name (and indeed has since been given an alternate, Inuit name) by persons unknown. I would urge the editor not to go around rigidifying other articles in this manner. I would like to see this one reverted, but I don't want to get into a rv war over it. --Cubdriver 10:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I plead guilty as charged to fearing the verb "to be". On the other hand I don't feel terribly contrite about suffering from this disease. - I see this sort of stylistic revision as making our encyclopedia more precise and less biased (see E-Prime), and the Wikipedia style guide does frown on passive constructions in general. - If I have unintentionally changed or perverted a meaning, please correct it. In the case of Eriksfjord, I suggest that we could use "acquired the name ..." or "the Norse settlers gave [it] the name of ..." - Pedant17 00:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fear of the verb "to be"  

message: I was wondering what basis with which Jared Diamond is considered to be an expert on the demise of the Greenland Settlement?  "Collapse" is full of hypotheses that are not backed up with enough evidence for them to be considered fact.  What evidence Diamond does use he does not properly cite the historians and archaeologists where he got the evidence.  In mention of the Greenland Settlement and its demise Jared Diamond should not be mentioned.  Thomas H. McGovern, who has done extensive research in the Greenland and written many papers on the subject, should be used as an expert instead. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.201.117.132 (talk • contribs) . 22:15, 16 May 2006
Diamond is not an expert at all.  Further, his imagination of a catastrophic mass starvation is not generally accepted by those who are.  For the most part he rehashes some very old ideas, some good and some a little far fetched - but that is a whole other discussion. DHBoggs (talk) 11:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jared Diamond explains Greenland Settlement collapse best? 

message: There are several different dates of death given in the article, not sure which one is correct. Also, severely lacking in citations. --168.99.182.215 14:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having several different dates would be fairly normal. Consider most historical figures. 70.55.200.47 23:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 17:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Is it really neccessary to list his name in 7 different languages?  Isn't it fine just to stick with the English and then the Old Norse versions, instead of actually listing ALL the Nordic language version?  I'd like to get consensus on this before I do any changes -- Palthrow (talk) 12:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea to me. Go for it.--Breandán MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Agreed. -- Alexf(talk) 09:52, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Name listing

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message: Hi! 
In the course of the next couple of weeks, I will be working on this article as an assignment for a technical editing course. As I go, I plan to put any ideas in my sandbox before I make any changes. The main focus of these changes will be the structural organization of the article, and I will likely not change any of the existing content. 
Thanks! 
Lunajb (talk) 17:35, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revising for Class Project 

message: I have made multiple changes to the structure of the article to make it more like similar articles, such as Leif Erikson. Because of this, some of the information is in new places and organized differently so it read chronologically. I also took away some of the information that only pertained to Leif Erikson since it was not necessary to understanding the context of Erik's life.
I have not done anything to the Greenland Saga section, but I do wonder if it is relevant to Erik the Red, himself. It seems to fall more in the topic of the Saga of Erik the Red instead. Would it be appropriate to delete it from this article or move it to the Saga of Erik the Red?
Lunajb (talk) 06:12, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes and Questions

message: We do not need the modern Icelandic names in the lead of Old Norse articles, for the same reason we don't add modern Italian to Roman articles. This is the English Wikipedia - the only relevant names are what he's known as in English and what he was known as in contemporary times. MClay1 (talk) 13:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe we've reached a compromise on my talk page to include the information in a note. I've made the change. No information has been lost. MClay1 (talk) 14:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Icelandic 

message: — Assignment last updated by Lincol7 (talk) 13:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: English 111 First-Semester College Composition

message: The Lead Section should include a brief description of the article's major sections as currently it does not.
Lead section evaluation: I believe the lead section to be very concise and informative for someone doing a quick overview of who Erik was as it speaks on his greatest achievement, and important information such as where he was born, epithet, and that he is the father of the famous Leif Erikson. I do believe, however, that the lead section would benefit from including a brief rundown of the articles main sections, such as early life (name, birthplace, epithet speculation, maybe Norway banishment), brief rundown of his marriage and sons (speak on Leif Erikson), exile from Iceland, founded settlement in Greenland, and death (not specific cause just year). TheBigGorilla (talk) 23:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is a good suggestion, WP:LEAD advocates for generally four well composed paragraphs, this article has a single paragraph with plenty more content to draw from. TylerBurden (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Section Suggestions