Talk:Frank Buckles

message: I added this image back to the "Life during the twenty-first century" section since it was something he actively worked on in his last years and should be illistrated in picture.  Problem is, having the image there, requires moving the W. image, which in turn smooshes all images onto the right side.  This looks bad.  I am not sure if we can shrink the images or what, but I need some opinions.  I don't want to lose this image. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 06:02, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's definitely a nice image, but the editor who ran the Good Article Review felt that the fair use rationale was deficient.  He said that the same basic information could be conveyed in this article by showing two public domain images: one of Buckles in his last years, and one of the monument.  That's why this image was removed from this article.Anythingyouwant (talk) 06:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree, NH.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:24, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I will revert that change momentarily.  Thanks. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 15:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

text: As a compromise, I put the Hitler encounter back in, but in parentheses.Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:File:Buckles-at-monument-2.jpg]]

message: Perhaps a slight modification would be optimal here, to explain to the reader that Frank and Ashman suffered from scarlet fever together, with Frank surviving, and Ashman succumbing. Also, the article refers to Mr. Buckles as "Frank" when describing this. I realize that the first name is being used to differentiate between Frank and his brother. My concern is that as Frank was a very young child, he would have been known at the time as "Wood", rather than "Frank". Joefromrandb (talk) 21:02, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable.  Please feel free to edit accordingly.Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the go-ahead. I made a few changes, but I'm sure it could be improved further, as I'm not the most eloquent fellow. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scarlet Fever 

message: The quote from Buckles' website is overlapping, and hiding text in the article proper. I'd attempt to fix it, but would rather leave it to an editor less likely to mess it up. Joefromrandb (talk) 08:15, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not seeing that problem.  Maybe someone else can see it and fix it.Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's right underneath the photo of Obama and Biden speaking with Buckles' daughter. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:18, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  block quote 

message: It says, "at the time of his death, Buckles was the 2nd oldest male veteran in the world". I believe he was the 2nd oldest period. Florence Green was born 17 days after Buckles. Only Józef Kowalski seems to have been older. Can we remove "male"? Joefromrandb (talk) 09:20, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add that "2nd oldest male" is factual. However, it is at least slightly misleading, as it seems to imply the existence of an older female veteran, which is not the case. Joefromrandb (talk) 09:25, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd oldest male? 

message: I have made, and continue to make, edits here and there to this article. I feel priviledged to work with NH, AYW, and the others who have done so much for this article. I just wish to state here, for the record, that anyone should feel free to undo any edit of mine they deem necessary without waiting for discussion. Joefromrandb (talk) 09:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A quick note 

message: I inserted some info today about how he helped to feed hungry French children in WWI, and also gave food to children who were imprisoned with him in WWII.  Kind of touching that the farm boy from the Midwest did that.Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Food

message: I'm not sure I understand the reasoning for the parenthesis. Hitler is quite possibly the most vile individual to have lived, but if Frank Buckles met him, that seems quite noteworthy. Joefromrandb (talk) 16:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  If he had died, say at 92, it might have been the most noteworthy thing Buckles did in an absolute sense.  Hearing about it leaves you wanting all the details.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, parens removed.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler 

message: Footnote 12 says: "Buckles had proven that 6 of his ancestors had served in the American Revolution. One, Laban Smart, was his great-grandfather."  Does anyone know if this is a quote from the source?  In any event, do we really need it in the footnote?  It's kind of confusing, because it leaves you wondering who the heck the other 5 were.  Great-great-grandfathers?  Other great-grandfathers? Grandfathers?Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps ladies in disguise.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe.  BTW, in my nitpicky opinion, we ought to stick with Buckles' or Buckles's but not switch back and forth.Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Stand by, I am working on this. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, go here and then search for page 22/23.  It is a flash magazine turner, so it you can't directly link to the pages.  There is a lot of information in there, so be sure to check out everything. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:35, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please take care of it, NH? I don't have the necessary flash plug-ins and whatnot.  I don't have administrator access either, which would be needed to install the flash plug-in.Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, let me go have dinner and then I will get on that section. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  No dessert until you fix it.Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:42, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Turns out it is "fend for yourself" night, so I just grabbed a Pepsi and some Little Debbie brownies and will have dinner later.  Time for work. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks!  So, he was descended from seven (not six) Revolutionary War soldiers, including one great-grandfather (and three great-greats, and three great-great-greats).  Interesting.Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure :)  Yeah, the Buckles family must have served in the Revolution and then moved to Illinois and then Oklahoma in the great trek West. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancestors who were soldiers in the Revolution

message: This article says, "In 1941, Buckles received the Army of Occupation of Germany Medal for his post-war service in Europe during the year 1919." But the Lede says he received that medal before 1920.  Also, the sentence I just quoted could use a footnote.Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:33, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Stand by, let me see what I can dig up. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 17:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The best I can do is this.  Unfortunately, nothing I found gives a date. :( - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Our article, Army of Occupation of Germany Medal, says the medal was authorized by Congress on November 21, 1941.  It was awarded automatically and was "retroactive by design".  So there's our date, modulo any processing delay. PhGustaf (talk) 19:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, I fixed it, thanks.Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Army of Occupation Medal

message: We now have 99 sources.  It should stay at 99 if there are no other good and interesting reliable sources.  But, really, we are intelligent and inquisitive people.  Surely we can hit 100.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:53, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Turns out that the upcoming documentary about Buckles will be narrated by Richard Thomas (actor).Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume they chose him because John-boy Walton was from the mountains!  Cupla hundred miles away.  Good night, Jim Bob.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:10, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If they do a movie, Richard Thomas could play the middle-aged Buckles, and then Ralph Waite could do the honors for the later years.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[99 Bottles of Beer]]

message: One of the two references for that quote uses the out-of-place "with"; the other does not.  It would be helpful to find something authoritative.
I think this article could be brought to FA soon enough to run on the main page on Memorial Day (May 30) unless something else has that slot already.  69.111.194.167 (talk) 08:32, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comment.  I fixed it.  Virtually all sources say "sacrificed with their lives".Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "sacrificed with their lives" 

message: Revisiting this for a moment, the article currently has a ref link validating his birthname. However, should we perhaps explain for the reader why he changed his name? In other words, should we add a couple of sentences to the article, explaining why he chose the name "Frank Woodruff"? As it is now, the reader will only see this info if they dig into the refs. Is it noteable enough to write about it? Joefromrandb (talk) 10:56, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Footnote 7 has a quote about this, so the reader wouldn't have to click on any links to get the explanation.  Whether that explanation should be moved from footnote 7 into the section on World War I is a close question.  I'm okay with it the way it is.  Maybe we could wait and see what the FA people like?Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Wonder if NH has an opinion. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:40, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As a FA person, I could go for it either way, please make sure it is fully cited.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I put the explanation of his name into the text, plus an explanation of why he drove ambulances, plus removed from the footnote the quote about how he got his name.  All fully cited, of course.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is wise.  People are going to be interested in his WWI service.  May as well make the most of it.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wood 

message: If you go to this article and click "edit", you can find the following:   Can someone who knows about this stuff do whatever needs to be done in order to get rid of that?  Thanks.Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:16, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, I think I figured it out.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:54, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I just took out the "postscript" field completely as it isn't needed. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:08, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Weird bot message

message: In the "Active centenarian" section, NBC Nightly News is italicized, but ABC's World News Tonight isn't.Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.  And congratulations on A-Class.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 13:49, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nit

message: There are two problems with mentioning the horse. First, it gives the misimpression that Pershing is riding it. Second, the horse is relatively insignificant.Anythingyouwant (talk) 08:45, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, apparently Pershing rode a horse alot, I don't know why.  On the John J. Pershing article, he is shown on a horse.  But we could say "Buckles holding the reins of Pershing's riderless horse".  That way they know Pershing isn't on the horse and that it is Pershing's horse. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:10, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You can see the model for the statue here. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, it's the last paragraph, which is supposed to sum up the whole article, and that's just not the right place to announce that the people of West Virginia think Buckles may be as praiseworthy as someone's horse.  Let's just leave out the horse, would be my suggestion.Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, to try and better address Malleus' prose concerns, I made a few last-minute edits, but neglected to log in.  Sorry about that.  I also cut the sentence about the funeral home visitation; like the horse, it's just not significant gven that funeral home visitations occur all the time for lots of people.Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:03, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Horse

message: I just tweaked these a little bit so they display better.Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Images and captions

message: In honor of Mr. Frank Buckles, President George W. Bush, and President George Washington, I am asking that you reidentify the roll-over caption when the mouse is pointed at the picture of President Bush and Mr. Buckles. It is a dishonor and disgrace to list the last U.S. WWI vet as "an old man in a wheel chair." It should read, "Frank Buckles, last US WWI veteran." It is a dishonor and disgrace to list a current or former President of the United States as "a middle aged man." It should read "President George W. Bush." And it absolutely repugnant to list the First President and Father of our country as "some historical person." It should read " a portrait of George Washington." I urge you to make these corrections as soon as possible. Thank you.
132.3.61.68 (talk) 14:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The "alt" discription is a simple discription of the image, primarily (I believe) is it used for image speaking software for the blind.  It gives a general discription of the image that one couldn't see.  You and I can see it is Buckles sitting with Bush with a portrait of Washington over their heads, but someone who is blind can't see that, so the discription would be read by the software and they can better understand what the picture is showing.  It isn't meant as insulting, it is actually meant as helpful.  You just have to see things (pun not intended) in a different way. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I share 132.3.61.68's concerns. See in particular the example at WP:ALT#Importance of context— 'Unless it appears in an article on fashion, the alt text should not be "an elderly woman wearing a black hat."'. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 20:16, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

text: After reading WP:ALT#Importance of context I agree and have made a change to the article. Jnorton7558 (talk) 09:56, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 132.3.61.68, 29 July 2011 

message: I'd like to move some of the content from the top.  I think there's too much text before the table of contents.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewman327 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hearing no objection, I'll rework the lede when I get a chance Andrewman327 (talk) 00:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long intro 

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