Talk:Judas Priest/Archive 1

message: Is Judas Priest an oxymoron? Because Judas is often associatede with Jewish names, but priest is more of a Catholic term. I was wondering if that would be good to put in the article if not, that's cool. Wi-king 06:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It will be original research unless is has proper citations. Anger22 10:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The story I have heard about the term "Judas Priest" is that it was a generic, censorship-safe expletive, used to replace the more controversial expletives of "Jesus Christ!" or "God Damn it!!"  For example, if you ever see the film The Exorcist on the Sci-Fi channel, they replace the mother of the possessed girl saying "Jesus Christ!" with "Judas Priest!"  Ironically enough, this kills the impact of that scene, as she is talking to an actual Priest, begging him to save her daughter's life, and soul, with an exorcism.  The origins of the band name, therefore, likely have more to do with the term's status as a censorship-safe expletive than any deeper meaning. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GalenKnighthawke (talk • contribs) 18:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a Bob Dylan song, It is mentioned in this article.--E tac 06:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judas Priest: oxymoron 

message: *"Judas Priest's acclaimed 1980 album British Steel was perhaps the first heavy metal album to be recorded in a concise format with radio-friendly songs with pop hooks..."
Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid', anyone?
*Paranoid is one song from an album very with different material. I can hardly imagine anyone calling "War Pigs", Fairies Wear Boots" or "Electric Funeral" as being 'catchy' or 'poppy'...Www.jpfo.org
*What exactly does "concise format" indicate?  That it's a short album?  That is has short songs?  That was nothing new, even in metal.  And as for radio-friendly, how many songs from British Steel received significant airplay on the radio?  Any charts from 1980 to back that up?  None of the singles from that album charted in the US as far as I know (not sure about the UK).  --Cholmes75 21:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: British Steel Pop

message: Whoever keeps on adding Hair and Glam Metal to the subgenres of the band apparently needs to smarten up a little. Even Turbo is quite far from being such musically, synth guitars don't make an album glam.
=== Reply : Hair Metal ===
Hey man, I guess, you are one of those new-age thrashers, who doesn't like the Glam Metal term. Glam metal is NOT a pejorative term. It's a kind of music. And almost every Glam Metal band cites Judas Priest as one of their biggest influence alongside Van Halen and Motley Crue. And what's wrong. They were certainly better than your new-age rappers(whom you wrongly call metal). And Judas Priest certainly wrote some wonderful tracks like Hot rockin, livin after midnite, etc.
=== Reply : Hair Metal ===
Having influenced a genre does not make you a part of it, or else we could freely add thrash, death and black metal to the list of genres under Judas Priest. Examples: all thrash bands cite Priest as their inspiration (Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, Testament, Destruction, Kreator, etc. etc.); a lot of death metal bands regard Priest as an inspiration (e.g. Death, Morbid Angel, Obituary, Cannibal Corpse, etc., etc.); the two founding bands of the black metal genre - Venom and Mercufyl Fate do so, too (hell, Venom formed after a 1978 Priest concert).
Conclusion: When we're talking about one of the bands that invented heavy metal it is pretty ridiculous to list all the sub-genres they have influenced, whether traditional, speed, thrash, death or black.
=== Reply : Hair Metal ===
I'm not going to edit the article to this effect (because I know how things work on the Wikipedia; no matter how right you are someone comes along and deletes you because he can), but you should all know that if you survey stuff the musical press writes about Judas Priest, they are credited with influencing strongly or "pretty much inventing" (actual term I've seen used in multiple articles!!) several of heavy metal's sub-genres.  This includes the "Arena Metal" or "hair Metal" as well as Thrash.
Personally, I hope someone will just write something to the effect that the band has been extremely influential in about every heavy metal sub-genre there is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GalenKnighthawke (talk • contribs) 19:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hair / Glam Metal 

message: I'm not going to edit the article to this effect (because I know how things work on the Wikipedia; no matter how right you are someone comes along and deletes you because he can), but you should all know that if you survey stuff the musical press writes about Judas Priest, they are credited with influencing strongly or "pretty much inventing" (actual term I've seen used in multiple articles!!) several of heavy metal's sub-genres.  This includes the "Arena Metal" or "hair Metal" as well as Thrash.
Personally, I hope someone will just write something to the effect that the band has been extremely influential in about every heavy metal sub-genre there is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GalenKnighthawke (talk • contribs) 19:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reply : Hair Metal 

message: I removed this section (consisting of Influences, Contempories and Followers) for the following reasons :
1 - These sorts of list are very subjective. 2 - Just about every subsequent metal band cites priest as an influence. 3 - It extends the page without really adding anything useful about the band. Djbrianuk 22:43, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of More on Priest 

message: The collaboration section does not belong in the main article.  The individual collaboration items should be moved to the individual person articles.  --Cholmes75 17:34, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaborations 

message: On January 9, I removed a new external link left by 17.206.43.163.  The link was to a "Music Hawk," and it looked like an advertisement.  The link was put back by the same user on January 10, with this in the edit summary:  "Re-added legitimate external link. If Rock Detector can be on there, so can Music Hawk."
I checked out the Rock Detector link, which seems to be an encyclopedic entry on Priest.  The Music Hawk link went to a page with a few avatars of Music Hawk users who like Priest.  There is supposedly a discussion area, but there are no messages there.  Rather than simply go to a revert war, I thought I'd seek consensus here:  Should the Music Hawk link stay or go?  I don't know how to link right to the user's contributions page, but it shows that the user has left the same external link on several other bands' articles:  The Flower Kings, Neal Morse, and 3 (band), all of which I reverted.   Mitchell k dwyer 19:41, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: This list is rather long and just... listy. Would it make sense to cut/paste this to an appropriate separate article and link it from this main page? IainP (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a pretty nice idea to me. --Eel 06:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personnel 

message: Is the comic writer of Constantine, LXG, and V for Vendetta fame really the drummer in those years? Because nothing in his wikipedia entry indicates that.
: i'm almost positive they are two different people. Gringo300 08:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alan Moore 

message: the name of the band is Scorpions... not The Scorpions.
referring Musical style and influences
TommyStardust 09:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scorpions 

message: I know I have absolutely no quotations to back this question up with, I'm just asking because I was intrigued by the whole scenario. The song material recorded for the second part of the double album "Twin Turbo", which later became "Ram It Down", was supposed to include synth guitars. But when "Turbo" received such a lukewarm reception the band decided to scrap the synthesized parts of the overall sound, which made the album sound less commercial according to some fans. Anyhow, my question is this: Was "Ram It Down" supposed to be something of an experiment with power metal before they decided to remove the synthesizers? Is there any hint of this to be found anywhere? Like I said earlier, it's just baseless speculation from my side but if anyone could confirm or deny this I would at least not have to rack my brain over it every time I hear a song from that record.81.232.114.123 20:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the album Ram It Down 

message: There is a guy that keeps changing the genre of JP from Heavy Metal, Speed Metal, and Power Metal to Heavy Metal and hard rock
:That's because Speed metal and Power metal have been down the Wikipedia concensus road and have been deemed incorrect and rm'd many articles...not just this one. Anger22 21:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hard Rock 

message: The following fact left me breathless and slack-jawed at some peoples' stupidity:
"On August 15, 2002 PETA sent the band's management a request to stop wearing leather onstage, as the production of leatherwear involves cruelty to animals. It was even reported that they asked the band to change the name of their Hell Bent for Leather album to Hell Bent for Pleather. Judas Priest responded that they wear artificial leather, but PETA still protested that this could encourage listeners to wear real leather."
Shockingly dumb. I'm glad it's included here, we need to document retardation as much as possible.
:I busted a gut when I saw that line. PenguinJockey 03:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leather 

message: Hi. I added the JP info-box to all the current and previous members. Dave Holland already had one, so I thought I'd give it to everyone else. Also, this is done on a lot of other big band's members' pages here on Wikipedia. Just letting you know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grinder0-0 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added info-boxes 

message: Does this section really need a list of all the bands who Judas Priest has influenced. Priest have influenced in some way, shape, or form about 99 percent of all metal bands who have came after them.--E tac 23:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence on the genre section

message: In the section about influence, it's mentioned that Motörhead started to wear bullet-belts after Priest changed to their spikes&leather image in '78. However, Motörhead's first single, "Leaving here" from '77 shows the entire band wearing bullet-belts. Motörhead most likely picked this up from either biker-culture or MC5 (a band Lemmy admired who are shown wearing bullet-belts on their "High Time" album ('71))...82.182.109.233 04:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is undisputable and have removed the line, the nearest cite does does not supprt it, so unless someone would like to find another which does... --Alf melmac 09:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judas Priest had no influence on Motörheads image... 

message: This article and the article for the album Turbo claim the live tour for Turbo either flopped or was a massive success. It can't be both, so which is it? Howa0082 03:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistant. 

message: hey uh i made a new user box cuz the old one sucked—The preceding unsigned comment was added by I am Paranoid (talk • contribs).
	This user is the Painkiller
I strongly advise against using that at present as the image is an album cover, which comes under the fair use criteria, it should certainly not be placed into a userbox for in areas where fair use can not be claimed.--Alf melmac 09:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  userbox 

message: I think that the following address http://members.firstinter.net/markster/MENU.html should be included in the external links section. It is practically the best source of extensive information about the band that's on the net and it would be a shame to remain unknown amongst Judas Priest fans. If there is one external link to be had, this should be it. Moreover, it satisfies the criteria of WP:EL.
I agree with above. We have used the firstinter site for a multitude of citations anyway.
SamirKagadkar 11:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judas Priest Info Pages as an external link 

message: Is the paragraph on Halford's solo works pertinent to this article? He wasn't in Priest at the time, so why should I care about what he was doing without them? Howa0082 15:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ripper Owens Era 

message: *I would like to know why someone keeps reverting my edits to the List of Judas Priest band members. They are correct, and Judas Priest was actually formed in 1967, with K. K. Downing and Ian Hill joining in 1970 after the group was re-formed. The group disbanded in the summer of 1970, and came back in late 1970. It explains all of this at http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,4765.sm;jsessionid=F73D8EE29DFE4114E18AE714599B33D4. 69.148.78.84 02:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Judas Priest band members 

message: Does anyone know anything about the Judas Priest cross? It's talked about a bit here, but not much, really. Weeliljimmy 17:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judas Priest cross? 

message: GA's cannot have . Either integrate the trivia into prose, or if there really is a good reason for a trivia section (which is highly unlikely), remove the template. --Rschen7754 (T C) 04:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA