Talk:Northeast Region, Brazil

message: Since no one objected, I am now merging Northeastern Brazil into this article. Travelbird 04:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: untitled

message: There should a (language-related) article on the Northeastern Brazilian Portuguese dialect, similar to the article e.g. on Southern American English. 201.52.32.9 11:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I should like to see one as well. —— 71.235.66.254 17:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Northeastern Brazilian Portuguese

message: Where are they for this article??Kemet 02:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: There is indeed some prejudice in Brazil against northeasterners, namely in São Paulo. The slangs "paraíba" and "baiano" are often taken as prejudicial slur. This prejudice is not properly "racism" as it is not directed towards either blacks or whites, but against people born in the North-East, regardless of skin color. Sometimes this racism surfaces even in the media:
http://www.180graus.com/home/materia.asp?id=84104
This article is about an infamous article published by O Estado do Paraná, a Brazilian newspaper from Curitiba, Paraná in which journalist Alex Gutenberg profusely attacks the roots of Northeastern culture and the region's stronger miscigenation.
http://www.igeduca.com.br/antenado/checktemplate.cfm?action=view&sec_id=89&mat_id=4734
This article goes further, analysing the characteristics of racism towards northeasterners. It starts with the infamous quote by Edmundo, the famous Brazilian footballer who once said "A gente vem jogar na Paraíba e colocam um paraíba para apitar, só podia dar nisso" ("We come to play Paraíba and they choose a Paraiban as a referee, that is what could happen") after being sent off in a match between Vasco da Gama and ABC for the 1997 Copa do Brasil (note: neither ABC nor the referees were from Paraíba. ABC is from Natal, Rio Grande do Norte and the referee was from Ceará).
:edmundo is a mullatoe of rio and envy the mestizos of northeast  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.114.197.250 (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Edmundo is not a mulatto, though he probably has mixed ancestry (as most Brazilians do have). In a Brazilian perspective, he is "white" (though in the United States it wouldn't be accepted). But what matters here is that being considered so in his cultural context enables him to act as such. Nevertheless, prejudice against northeasterners is not at all related to skin color, but to the mixed ancestry reflected in their general appearance. As an interesting side note, the Northeast was the first region of Brazil settled by Italian and German colonists. The first have left the surname "Cavalcanti" (very common in the N.E.) and the German/Dutch brought during the Dutch lef surnames like "Vanderlei" (van der Ley). The blue eyes often seen in the North East trace their origins back then. jggouvea (talk) 00:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Racism

message: Moving this section to here until reliable source is added to it. --ClaudioMB (talk) 06:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Social Problems

message: How can an article on northeastern Brazil fail to mention even once, the Caatinga biome??  It gets as close as Sertao (backlands), but that describes their accessibility (water is a long way away), not the nature of the biome.  Surely, we could at least add Caatinga to the See Also links!
Sbalfour (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caatinga biome? 

message: I don't know whether to flag this whole section for cleanup, or do something at once.  It's a matter of proportion: the list is exhaustive rather than exemplary.  It's everybody who's anybody (errrrrr... maybe that should be everybody who's nobody?) from the northeast.  I can immediately think of several alternatives: move the whole list except for a handful (that's 5 or fewer) into a footnote; move the whole list into another article (would that article be justified on its own?); put the list into a collapsible box.  Sorting the list into sublists by what they're famous for (like Arts, Sciences, Media, Politics, Business) would help make sense of this random data.
One way or another, it needs to be winnowed down - it's of marginal value to the article.  Wikipedia is not a biographical dictionary.
Sbalfour (talk) 18:31, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrities section cleanup 

message: A table of data like that presented is out of date the day it's copied into the wiki.  It's certainly out of date today (Jan. 11, 2014).  A wiki article is a concise summary of its subject, not exhaustive detail.  The table is already summarized in the text; cite the source and let the reader read the study for further info.  This is just padding the article.
Sbalfour (talk) 18:40, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northeast livestock section data 

message: The opening paragraph talks about the sugar mills (that would be 17th and 18th centuries), but the second paragraph takes us back to 1500, and the third paragraph goes back to 1493.  Maybe the first paragraph can just be deleted?  It's kind of out of place, like it just got left there when somebody else wrote the rest of the section.
Sbalfour (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section chronology inverted 

message: I've moved the largest cities table under the Political Subdivisions section leaving Demographics section empty.  That section should have info like:
* how many people are employed/unempoyed/on welfare or other assistance
* how many are rich/poor/middle class
* how many have a high school diploma/college degree/post-grad degrees
* how many families own cars/TVs/cellphones
* how many live in urban/suburban/rural areas
* how many are in farming/ranching/business/politics/professions/armed forces
* how many are Indian/Portuguese/Spanish/other descent?
* how many are under 18/18-25/25-55/55 and older
* how many own their homes/rent/homeless
* how many are of Catholic/protestant/other faith
etc.
It's supposed to answer the question, what are the people like?
Sbalfour (talk) 19:18, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics section (Largest cities table moved) 

message: This section essentially copied the text of a study into the wiki.  It might even be copyvio.
It contains text like "we analyzed the information content of 28 ancestry-informative SNPs into multiplexed panels..."  Can somebody tell me in English what that means?  If we must, the entire study should be moved into a footnote, and a concise summary paragraph inserted into the article.
Better yet, summarize the study, cite it, and let the reader follow the reference for further info.
184.76.111.134 (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic Composition subsection 

message: Do I really want to know that some airport has a coffee shop on the second level?  What happens when the shop closes?  We give minute details of three airports, but say nothing about:
* trains & train stations, buses & bus terminals, streetcars
* oil refineries and oil wells
* bridges, tunnels and highways
* dams
* electrical generating stations
* natural gas production, storage facilities and pipelines
* ships and seaports
* navigable rivers, river ports, barges and river boats
* armed forces bases (air, naval, army)
* water and sewage processing plants
* landfills
* mines
* steel mills/sugar mills/etc 
* television stations/newspapers/radio stations
etc.
I think the section needs to be re-drafted.
Sbalfour (talk) 19:54, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infrastructure section 

message: This section isn't big enough to stand alone - it could be part of Geography, Demographics or even Infrastructure, and needs to be merged in somewhere.
Sbalfour (talk) 20:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban areas and Rural areas -> orphaned section 

message: This section is one sentence and a list of universities.  The list of universities is more like Infrastructure.  The one sentence about Portuguese probably belongs in the intro; even uneducated people speak the language, often more than one language.  So this section evaporates unless there's something more to say.Sbalfour (talk) 23:03, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education section 

message: It may be sufficient for a Brazilian or South American to define a region of the country in terms of its political subdivisions (i.e. states), but if you're from United States like me, I have no idea where those states are.  The region should be defined by the geography, so anyone unfamiliar with the country knows immediately what the boundaries are.  I would suggest an opening statement something like: The Northeast region of Brazil is one of five geographic regions of Brazil extending from the Atlantic coast on the northeast and southeast, northwest and west to the Amazon basin and southwest to the highlands of the Serra de Espinhaco mountains.  Moreover, this is only one of several possible definitions, all of which are relevant: hydrological (drainage basins of Parnaiba and Sao Francisco Rivers), geological (the Eastern Brazilian Shield formed by an old basement of Precambrian crystalline rocks), ecological (Caatinga, with a bit of Cerrado and Atlantic forest) and geophysical (east and west longitudes, north and south latitudes).  Climatological and topographical definitions are also possible, and should be covered either in the intro or elsewhere.
Sbalfour (talk) 01:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  intro  

message: I have made some edits so as to keep the article as it was. The detailed genetic info on Northeast Brazil was moved out of the article, and no source was left. The Northeast of Brazil is often misrepresented, so the detailed information is relevant.
The pics should not have been arbitrary removed, since they are also representative of Northeast Brazil. 
And the list of the many notable Brazilians is important, not to be reduced to a few numbers. Northeast Brazil is an outstanding region, and the complete list gives testimony to it.Grenzer22 (talk) 19:04, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Keeping information arbitrarily removed

message: Please correct the HDI information for the region, the current HDI of the region is 0.710 considered high. See the page of the same in the article in Portuguese. Barkins17 (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction of the HDI? 

message: Vandergay (talk) 03:34, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't "Northeastern Brazil" a better name (like [[Midwestern United States)?