Talk:Anomalous experiences

message: In the page there is a refference to Lucid Dreams as hallucinatory experience. But the same thing goes to Non-Lucid Dreams.
See more here: 
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9109540/dream —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.78.160.118 (talk) 11:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dreams are hallucinatory experiences too 

message: The proposed change may have made the paragraph shorter, but some information was lost; and since the sentence was not particularly long to begin with, I feel there was no corresponding gain.
With regard to the other alteration by the same user: I cannot see what is gained by removing the reference to van Eeden. 
Ranger2006
:"The term ‘lucid dream’ was first used by the Dutch physician Frederik van Eeden (1913), who studied his own dreams of this type" -- this sentence isn't needed, this article isn't about lucid dreaming. All that it is needed is a brief sentence on what lucid dreaming is, not the history behind the terminology.
:"Nevertheless, it is one of the features of lucid dreams that they can have an extremely high quality of perceptual realism, to the extent that the dreamer may spend time examining and admiring the perceptual environment and the way it appears to imitate that of waking life (see Green, 1968 for examples)." -- this sentence is unnecessarily long and descriptive. My slightly shortened version helped bring clarity and briefity to it without losing any information.
:--Android Mouse 06:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re the proposed alteration/abbreviation by Android Mouse 

message: I have removed the tag about lack of citations as it seems to me that the article is fully referenced.  No evidence has been provided by the installer of the tag that there are any references missing.Ranger2006 11:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re the tag and deletion by Mattisse 

message: Reasons for reverting the last two edits:
-	The assimilation of the concept of hallucination to that of trance is question-begging.  No evidence has been provided that there is any commonality between the two.
-	‘mental health’ is a phrase in common usage, with an unambiguous connotation.  ‘Of sound mind’ is archaic/legalistic, and might even be argued to have dualistic implications which are inappropriate in an article of this sort.Ranger2006 8 October 2007  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 09:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re last two reversions

message: I have removed the phrase ‘which would allow memories to leak through into consciousness’ because I feel it is begging the question as to why hallucinations may occur in conditions of extreme fatigue.  Other explanations of this phenomenon are possible, and it is wrong to imply that the one given in this phrase is established, or the only one.Ranger2006 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 23:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re removal of phrase inserted by Linkinlogs 

message: I have reinstated the former heading for this article, as, apart from being cumbrous, the proposed new title does not get round the problem of implying a qualitative distinction between the sane and the not-sane or the mentally ill and the mentally ‘healthy’.  This distinction can be questioned on theoretical grounds, and has been, in different ways, by, e.g. Thomas Szasz, R.D. Laing, and more recently Richard Bentall.  However, this does not seem to me the place for raising this issue.  There are Wikipedia articles on sanity (from a legal perspective) and on mental disorder where it might more appropriately be raised.Ranger2006 (talk) 13:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ‘Hallucinations in those who are not mentally ill’

message: I feel to change this to 'Hallucinations and apparitional experiences' is begging an important theoretical question.  It implies that there is a meaningful distinction between a hallucination and an apparitional experience, which is something that has not been established.
On the second point: not all apparitional experiences are visual, as the rest of the article makes clear.Ranger2006 (talk) 20:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re Heading: 'Apparitional experiences', and the insertion of the phrase 'visual hallucination'

message: Should this not include at least some mention of Charles Bonnet syndrome, which I understand to be a very common form of visual hallucination in the sane? There is already a Wikipedia entry on Charles Bonnet syndrome, and it seems to me that either the articles should be amalgamated, or at the very least there should be links between them. Treharne (talk) 08:43, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles Bonnet syndrome 

message: This article is the exact same article as this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinations_in_those_who_are_not_mentally_ill. They are not redirects. Even their talk pages are identical. Am I going nuts or something? Blooddraken (talk) 08:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  have asked for some help Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#unsucessful_move_-_now_have_two_articles Earlypsychosis (talk) 23:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubled article 

message: The article discusses hallucinations in those not considered mentally ill, with the purpose of discussing hallucinations which are not associated with mental illnesses such as schizophrenia. The title, on the other hand, evokes the distinction between those who are sane and those who are not sane. Sanity is not a recognised medical (including psychiatric) category, nor is it a distinction used in psychology. Sanity and insanity are popular umbrella conceptions of mental illness, which are not equal to the distinction between not mentally ill and mentally ill. Sanity and insanity are also legal concepts which are not equal to mentally ill and not mentally ill. It is not appropriate for an article which discusses hallucinations in those who are not considered to have a mentally illness, or hallucinations which occur outside mental illness, to be called "Hallucinations in the sane". "Insanity" can refer to people who are not considered mentally ill, and "sanity" can include people who have mental illnesses associated with hallucation. The popular conception of insanity might include eccentricity, for example, which has little to do with mental illness and disease-associated hallucination (the concept of a "mad scientist", for example). The legal conception of insanity refers to responsibility for action (incapability thereof). Someone diagnosed with a mental illness which is associated with hallucination (i.e. schizophrenics) might not fulfill legal criteria for insanity (as judged by a jury) or popular notions of insanity. My essential point is that sanity and insantiy are cumbersome concepts which don't have very much to do with mental illness and hallucination associated with mental illness, as discussed in the article. The article should be moved to either "Hallucinations outside mental illness" or "Hallucinations in those not considered mentally ill", or something similar. --Oldak Quill 22:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs to be renamed from "Hallucinations in the sane"