Talk:List of Cornell University fraternities and sororities

message: This is an example of how the list looks when ordered by founding date.  Other similar WP pages listing campus Greeks use a similar format. I think it honors pioneer chapters nicely.  The dormant chapters are similarly ordered.  Comments either way?  Unless there is a chorus in objection, I'll boldly make the change in a few days, along with the sororities and MGLCs. Jax MN (talk) 21:19, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work, but what would be a lot more useful in my opinion is to put it into a table so that readers can sort it however they choose: by foundation date, by letters, by English name, by national conference, and so on. Additionally, this would let us list chapters by their actual founding, rather than alphabetically by founding year, at least on the initial screen. While this does make for more scrolling than the current list format, we could also save some space by integrating the lists together, as for housing. As a proof-of-concept, consider this: -- choster (talk) 19:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Circling back on this change, it seems to have been accepted with no negative comment.  The page has been in its current format, with chapters listed by year of founding, for well over a year. Recently I made a slight adjustment based on early Cornellian yearbooks to correct the founding order of the first four fraternities at Cornell:  Zeta Psi was the pioneer, and three more formed that same year, now listed in order of date as the yearbooks agree happened. Jax MN (talk) 22:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

text: I like the table view. I find it easier to parse, and better to sort as mentioned. There is also precedent for tables in similar fraternity list articles. See List of fraternities and sororities at San Diego State University and List of Jewish fraternities and sororities which both use similar tables. What do we think about switching this page over (and updating some information)? Samfriedmann (talk) 06:55, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm.  I could be convinced that this is even more useful than the current format.  Full disclosure, I did the layout of the current format. I don't necessarily support insertion of the column that declares ownership type, as the need for this information is not common for the majority of page searches. Jax MN (talk) 18:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you know more about this than I do. I am inclined to switch to the table if you think that's a good move. Samfriedmann (talk) 21:15, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fraternities, reordered by date of campus founding 

message: : Nice work, but what would be a lot more useful in my opinion is to put it into a table so that readers can sort it however they choose: by foundation date, by letters, by English name, by national conference, and so on. Additionally, this would let us list chapters by their actual founding, rather than alphabetically by founding year, at least on the initial screen. While this does make for more scrolling than the current list format, we could also save some space by integrating the lists together, as for housing. As a proof-of-concept, consider this: -- choster (talk) 19:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Circling back on this change, it seems to have been accepted with no negative comment.  The page has been in its current format, with chapters listed by year of founding, for well over a year. Recently I made a slight adjustment based on early Cornellian yearbooks to correct the founding order of the first four fraternities at Cornell:  Zeta Psi was the pioneer, and three more formed that same year, now listed in order of date as the yearbooks agree happened. Jax MN (talk) 22:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

text: I like the table view. I find it easier to parse, and better to sort as mentioned. There is also precedent for tables in similar fraternity list articles. See List of fraternities and sororities at San Diego State University and List of Jewish fraternities and sororities which both use similar tables. What do we think about switching this page over (and updating some information)? Samfriedmann (talk) 06:55, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm.  I could be convinced that this is even more useful than the current format.  Full disclosure, I did the layout of the current format. I don't necessarily support insertion of the column that declares ownership type, as the need for this information is not common for the majority of page searches. Jax MN (talk) 18:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you know more about this than I do. I am inclined to switch to the table if you think that's a good move. Samfriedmann (talk) 21:15, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternative proposal: table-ify