Talk:Enabling Act of 1933

message: This article is called "Enabling Act" with a capital A, while an article about Enabling Acts in general is called "Enabing act" with a small case a. I don't think this is a proper way to go. We should either rename the other article "Enabling Act (General)" or this one "Enabling Act (Germany)" or both. Any thoughts? Str1977 (smile back) 14:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, I think it's fine the way it is now. Both pages have clearly visible links to the other at the top. Muad 21:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. They are merely distinguish by the capitalisation of a single letter. That is not enough. Str1977 (smile back) 23:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you, Str. Move this to a more suitable name. —Nightstallion (?) 17:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: What is the reality of the Jewish boycott against Nazi Germany that the Daily Express reported about?
Is it the same as the Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi League one?
What actual effect did it achieve? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.20.17.84 (talk) 11:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish boycott 

message: Love how the only foreign 'See Also' is a link to US Homeland Security.  I am sure someone will rationalize a reason for this to be here other than just as propaganda tool to associate the Nazi Enabling Act with US Homeland Security.  Hate to tell you, but that's not very subtle and not fooling anybody as to NPOV.  The bias is not even clever on this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.28.250 (talk) 01:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa now, calm down: it was added by an anonymous editor a couple days before you happened upon it.  It's vandalism and it happens.  Thank you for catching it and correcting it. --Bossi (talk • gallery • contrib) 05:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

text: but there are so many paralels  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.237.244 (talk) 18:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Homeland Security 

message: A clearer understanding edit. The current Article language misstates that Hitler became the "dictator" of Germany via this constitutional amendment. It is true and correct this was a one step of many to become the "legal" dictator" of Germany by August 1934; however, President Hindenberg, remained the Commander and Chief of the Weimar military post the passing of the Enabling Act until his death on August 2, 1934. And, from March - July of 1933, 56% of the seats of the Reichstag were held by opposition parties. Furthermore, the language of the Act itself makes clear there is a path of appeal and revision of any decree by the Chancellor. Indeed, the Nazi Party abused this Act on a number of levels. Once again, however, Hitler was still facing formidable, and potentially consequential, opposition from a number of sources until the Summer of 1934. --Integrtiyandhonesty (talk) 17:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hitler did become dictator, though indeed only at Hindenburg's whim; the President could have dismissed the Chancellor at any time, rendering the Enabling Act unapplicable due to its Article 5. The opposition was far from having a Reichstag majority - Hitler's NSDAP/DNVP governing coalition already gained a majority in the March 1933 elections; and due to the banning of the KPD representatives, the NSDAP alone held a Reichstag majority. And no "path of appeal and revision" of laws (no longer decrees!) passed by Hitler's government is mentioned in the Act. In theory, the Reichstag could have replaced his laws by laws of its own, but the Nazi majority would have prevented that. The only potential legal opposition left to Hitler was from Hindenburg; but he seems to have supported Hitler fully. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 17:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearer understanding of the Act

message: In most of the Länder (and in all the big ones), a similar act was adopted by the state parliaments (those parliaments were reconstituted according to the federal electoral results - First Gleichschaltung Law of 31 March 1933) (dates acoording to ):
:Bayern: 39.04
:Thüringen: 16.05
:Hessen: 16.05 (Hans Eichel, 50 Jahre Verfassung des Landes Hessen: Eine Festschrift, 2013, 46 https://books.google.be/books?id=eiiqBgAAQBAJ)
:Preußen: 18.05
:Sachsen: 23.05
:Mecklenburg-Schwerin: 01.06
:Württemberg: 08.06
:Baden: 09.06
:Lippe: 21.06
:Mecklenburg-Strelitz: 30.06
:Schaumburg-Lippe: 14.07
:Lübeck: 28.07
I have not found any reference to such an act for Hamburg, Oldenburg (only session on 23.05), Braunschweig, Anhalt or Bremen.Bancki (talk) 08:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  also in Länder 

message: I have been looking into this and, there seem to be some differences between articles on the number of votes against the act. I thought the no. to be 94, this is the number stated in the article on Reichstag (Nazi Germany). However, this article (Enabling Act of 1933) gives the number as 84. I have seen different sources giving both numbers. Is there a reason for this? Which one is correct?
Willpep (talk) 10:50, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It was 444-94 says the original 'Protokoll' ----Bancki (talk) 13:42, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That pretty much settles it. Dbrodbeck (talk) 14:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Margin by which the Act passed 

message: I was hoping to see a paragraph on Nazi argument for the Enabling Act. Everybody now finds it easy to see what is evil in the Act, but one of the chief uses of studing it, maybe the chief, is to see parallels with the present day. Governments often ask for emergency powers, especially in 2020, and people are very receptive to that who think they would never have supported Hitler in 1933 if they'd been alive then. But I suspect the Nazis made very reasonable-sounding arguments about temporary emergencies and the need to avoid red tape and delay, and the article would benefit from presenting their case in their own persuasive language, along with the criticisms of the opposition. Probably this would take someone who knows German. Whoever does it should take great with Neutral Point of View.  Note that I am not suggesting that the article say anything about the present-day, just that history articles like this should be written to be relatable to future situations generally, and the arguments given for policies are useful for that. 
editeur24 (talk) 13:25, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arguments FOR the enabling act 

message: :The 2003 film Hitler: The Rise of Evil contains a scene portraying the passage of the Enabling Act. The portrayal in this film is inaccurate, with the provisions of the Reichstag Fire Decree (which in practice, as the name states, was a decree issued by President Hindenburg weeks before the Enabling Act) merged into the Act. Non-Nazi members of the Reichstag, including Vice-Chancellor von Papen, are shown objecting. In reality the Act met little resistance, with only the centre-left Social Democratic Party voting against passage. The film also shows Hermann Göring, speaker of the house, beginning to sing the "Deutschlandlied". Nazi representatives then stand and immediately join in with Göring, as well as all other party members, with everyone performing the Hitler salute. In reality, this never happened.
This section on the wiki page should be cited in reference to the areas in bold that I've made note of above. Right?
(talk) 21:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: *I have removed the entirety of that section except for noting the existence of the film and the inaccuracy of the portrayal.  Please note that such docudramas are intrinsically dramatic works. Even when the creators' intent is to present history as accurately as possible, decisions are often made for their dramatic value which do not accurately portray the actual events.  The best thing to do, if you're interested in factual history, is to read a book about the subject by a reputable historian, and not rely on dramatic semi-fictional quasi-historical films and television programs.  If you do watch them, don't take them to be the Gospel truth -- but pay attention instead to the emotional values which they present, for it is this that filmmakers are good at.  More often then not, the feeling of what is being shown will be, if not accurate, at least appropriate to the subject. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrayal in films 

message: Scholary analysis leans toward the idea that the Enabling Act amounted to a self-coup or autogolpe, where government consolidates or keeps in power by unconstitutional means. Sources include Democratization and the Journal of Democracy. There is also the University of Pennsylvania Law School (pp. 373–374) and Trinity College Dublin (pp. 80–81), along with The Huffington Post Korea. There seems to be a consensus on that matter. It could be written in the article that scholars have described the Act as a self-coup, or (as I would prefer) the words "make and enforce laws without the involvement" in the first sentence or "bypass the system of checks and balances in the government" in the second wikilinked to the self-coup article. In either case, a source may be included to verify the self-coup descriptor, and :Category:1930s coups d'état and coup attempts could be appended. It seems like common practice to subsume self-coups and attempts under the category of coups d'état. What do you think? Is there a consensus to go through with the proposal? FreeMediaKid$ 01:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-coup 

message: A now blocked user translated the German Wikipedia w:de:Hitlers Rede vor dem Deutschen Reichstag am 23. März 1933 as Draft:23 March 1933 Reichstag speech. The article was not promoted because of concerns about the absence of referencing. Possibly someone here might wish to improve and promote what seems to be a good, if largely reference-free article? --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Draft:23 March 1933 Reichstag speech