Talk:Gendarmerie

message: Some countries that us to have gendarmeries in the past are missing. Like Iran for example.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.136.212.12 (talk) 20:30, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Countries missing on the Map

message: The B-class checklist has been added. The implication is that I think that the article could be made B-class if references are supplied. PKKloeppel (talk) 13:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class checklist

message: None of the paramilitary forces listed for India are "a military body charged with police duties among civilian populations." (That's the wikipedia definition) CISF is involved in providing security for government installations such as government-run factories, airports, etc; CRPF is mainly used as riot police. None of these have general policing duties, nor do they conduct investigations, they do not have jurisdictin over civilian population at all! To sum up, India should be removed from this list, and from the map too.. any thoughts?
Kmanoj 16:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is wrong. CRPF, Rapid Action Force and Indian Home Guard act as auxiliaries to the Indian Police Service, and not to the Indian Armed Forces. The Indian Constitution also grants the Indian Home Ministry special powers to deploy these paramilitary units under serious circumstances without obtaining approval from state governments. For example, during General Elections, the CRPF does not require state's permission to act. Please do proper research before making edits. Also, the Railway Protection Force too can act across states without permission from their respective governments. --Incidious (talk) 20:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm surprised that your edits, made in April 2008, have gone unnoticed. --Incidious (talk) 20:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gendarmerie in India?

message: The map is incorrect: Turkey is NOT part of Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.132.12.191 (talk • contribs) 
:Feel free to update it. It's a bit outdated anyway. Mentatus 07:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is definitely outdated, e.g. Chile is mentioned in the list below the map as having a gendarmerie but it is not marked on the map. --Rcgy (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: "gendarmerie (French) is a military body"
In the case of RCMP, shouldn't we say "paramilitary" or "with military origins"? Apokrif 16:28, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The RCMP is a paramilitary police force, it retains a sort of military status. So paramilitary is cool.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.61.193 (talk) 12:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military body 

message: Given the fact that gendarmes fall under the umbrella of military police, might it better serve the reader if these two articles were merged?
:No. While most gendarmeries are or were military police, they are distinct things. Most military police forces are not gendarmeries, since they do not police civilians. A link from there to here is sufficient. -- Necrothesp 13:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The two articles should certainly not be merged. Linguistically, Gendarmes do fall under the umbrella of military police, but the concept of gendarme is very distinctive and should have its own page. The concept of military police, as User:Necrothesp points out, is not that of policing civilians, which is gendarmes' main task.129.12.200.49 09:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with "Military Police"? 

message: If the U.S. Coast Guard is a gendarmerie, surely the Norwegian border guards and coast guard would be, too. They're both military bodies with police duties over civilians. --Joffeloff 01:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  If the.. 

message: Part of the Army? don't think so... together but not mixed. They are part of the Colombian Ministry of Defense and the army doesn't have any control over the national police. The Colombian Army has its own military police and its military justice. However due to conditions set by the War on drugs and the Colombian Armed conflict, the police force acts almost as a gendarmerie. --F3rn4nd0 BLA BLA BLA 23:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Colombia?

message: As far as I can understand, the Rendészeti Biztonsági Szolgálat is more similar to the German Bereitschaftspolizei or the French Compagnies Républicaines de Sécurité - which in turn are not considered  Gendarmerie forces. Mentatus 20:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Rendészeti Biztonsági Szolgálat'' - a Gendarmerie-type force?

message: Does anyone think that the Posse Comitatus Act should be mentioned in this article? It may be relevant as it prevents the regular use of anything like a gendarmerie in the US. Kazhivlad 00:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 

message: The map conflicts the list which cites "Poland: Żandarmeria Wojskowa". --194.204.12.40 16:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poland 

message: Is marshalcy a real word? I think not.
Robbie69 14:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it is--Victor falk 14:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: the fact that it has fallen into disuse does not make it less of a word--Victor falk 14:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: and anyway, as long as "X" is a dammit forgot the name for that type of noun, "X-cy" is an appropriate derivation--Victor falk 14:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marshalcy 

message: The map show, shows place like Russia, Belarus, Ukraine without "Gendarmeries", i just want to point out that this is totally wrong and that "OMON", "SOBR" so on or whatever they are today called basicly all the paramilitary police forces of these nations interior ministrys are "Gendarmeries" of sort or another, hell the Russian OMON etc even took a significant role in both Chechen wars and are now actually dominating the scene there instead of conventional police forces.
Let me repeat they are / have para military police forces that are capable both real war combat operations and conventional or low intensity conflict policing, like omon that mass up to battalion strength..
Alone theres more than 20 000 OMON troops alone in Russia today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMON and there is scores of other units / groups in russia that have the similar mission and thousands of members, these are not regular police, nor military and not any kind of "swat" outfits even if some of these large units are capable of operating as such also.
One thing i would like to add that while the actual names of these ukrainian / belarus / russian units may or may not be "Gendarmerie" they are in fact ones and that when they actually talk of these units ie in english and have to specify the "type" or "group" of unit they tend to use the term "Gendarmerie" ie for OMON.
:If you can include citation from any published source, I'd be happy about having these countries included. But, in English news, these forces are usually described as military police forces, or paramilitary, etc. If they, themselves, or international agencies, etc, didn't use the term, (in International English, not French) there would be no reason to include them. Personally, I'd like to remove the list altogether. It causes problems without clarifying the meaning or use of the term. Cuvtixo (talk) 16:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Gendarmeries 

message: Added US State police as they are arguably gendarmerie type forces.
:It seems to me that Gendarmerie seems to have a strong cultural component, for example, as part of the Napoleonic/French tradition. NO state police force in the U.S. has followed this tradition or has referred to themselves this way (an exception might be in Louisiana). Secondly, state police are not a national military organization, and do not take orders from any national military leader. Perhaps a state governor can temporarily arrange this in time of emergency, but I think some official link is necessary to be considered gendarmerie. Finally, there are all sorts of [federal law enforcement agencies] that, in French, might be called "gendarmerie," but as a borrowed term in English, it is arguably reserved for self-described units.  I see that as a huge weakness in the international list, as it includes units that might be translated as gendarmerie in French, but very probably would not be described as such in English publications. Any inclusions (or at least future inclusions) should be cited from an English publication. I am removing " US State Police" until such a citation can be found. Cuvtixo (talk) 15:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: US State Police

message: I propose including material on the Iranian Gendarmerie. Agha Nader 23:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Imperial Iranian Gendarmerie

message: There are so many different Gendarmeries in the world, that the general statement that they have a better reputation than civilian police should be qualified. I am sure that in various countries their reputation is worse given their use in 'crowd control'
"There may also be different reputations, with the gendarmeries generally having a better reputation than civilian police."
Pacificbiblio (talk) 19:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gendarmerie Reputations? 

message: See:
Civil_Guard_(Spain)#Peacekeepers
Military_of_Costa_Rica#Ministry_of_Public_Security.27s_Public_Force
--201.52.142.243 (talk) 20:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ninety:one 20:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costa Rica also seems to have a gendarmerie 

message: When I was in St. Martin, there were Gendarmerie walking around in uniform and driving marked police vehicles. As St. Martin is part of the French Antilles, is that covered under France?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.184.167.3 (talk) 21:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it's the Gendarmerie Nationale of France, same body.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.40.4.67 (talk) 19:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. Martin has a gendarmerie 

message: Tunisia has a para military force called the National Gard (Garde National) it have station in all city and even rural small village, it operate like police force but within non metropolitan areas. 
Add it on the map and  on the article
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chile should be included in the map as the article clearly states it has one gendarmerie  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.22.68 (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tunisia has a Gendarmerie 

message: It seems to me that the term Gendarmerie seems to have a strong cultural component, for example, as part of the Napoleonic/French tradition. I think any inclusions of future gendarmeries, if not self-described as such, should be cited from English publications.  I realize that many law enforcement agencies around the world could qualify in the technical sense of the word, but frankly it is not a commonly used word in English, and simply transliterating from French does a disservice to both languages. Cuvtixo (talk) 15:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing French and English term: Gendarmerie 

message: Seems this article was mostly written by Europeans and Latin Americans. Added more information regarding military police in India to have a better geographical representation. --Incidious (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe centric article 

message: In the illustration Hungary should be coloured, because it had gendarmerie before 1945. It was called "Csendőrség" and its two-member patrols roamed the countryside, villages and smallers cities, with bayonet bolt action rifles. They were nicknamed "kakastollas" (cock feathered) because they wore crane feathers on their pointed uniform hats. The larger hungarian cities and the capital Budapest had pistol-equipped traditional police forces and generally more liberties.
The hungarian gendarmerie "Csendőrség" was entirely dissolved after 1945 due to its "generally oppressive nature" as seen by the communist occupiers and its alleged cooperation with nazi occupation in the massive deportation of gipsy and jewish people. Since 1946 there is only police service in Hungary, its called "Rendőrség". 91.82.243.75 (talk) 13:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungary should be on the article's map 

message: As there are debates whether certain countries have got gendarmerie forces or not what I suggest is to create another color on the map that means "debatable/uncertain". What do you think?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.61.193 (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganisation of map with new color. 

message: Azerbaijan has internal guard, its a form of gendarmerie, could somebody include Azerbaijan in the map aswell. Neftchi (talk) 19:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azerbaijan 

message: Someone removed the list of countries that either do possess or had possessed a gendarmerie or a gendarmerie-like police organization.  Those who sanctioned its removal felt that it did not incorporate meaningful content.  I for one disagree.  I feel that that list greatly benefitted this article.  And while there may have been some sections within that are controversial, I by no means think that it was worthy of complete and utter removal.  Remove the sections there is objection to or a lack of citation, but removing the whole list is ridiculous.  I feel that this list should be restored as soon as possible, so it may continue to benefit all those that seek its contents.  Please, if you  feel the same about this matter, join the protest.  Those who removed the list, lets see if we can come to some form of agreement in regards to the list, its form, and exactly what it contains.  In regards to what the other language variants of wikipedia contain on the subject, I do not fully understand your reasoning there.  If another language's version of wikipedia conflicts with this one, how does that affect this article.  Perspectives can vary across cultural and linguistic barriers.  I feel that we cannot promote a program of universality throughout all the language variants of wikipedia.  This article had already paid the price to bending to such a policy by losing a potentially valuble section, and I do not see how its removal even remotely changes or improves an article in another language.  Please, I am open to your suggesstions, explain your reasoning to me, and perhaps we can come to some agreement.  Thank you for your time.User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] (talk) 01:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some jobsworth earlier up the page, but enough WP:s were being thrown about to disincline me to contest it. However, a list of forces named "Gendarmerie" is available at Gendarmerie (disambiguation). ninety:one   18:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I think the point was that it was unreliable. No one said that a list wouldn't be of value, just that the current one was extremely dubious, and since it wasn't sourced at all, there was no way to single out any particular "sections". If you'd like a list, go ahead and create one - you could use the old one as a basis and find some sources, that'd be great actually. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do so, but by all means do so if you want to see a list here. 87.78.3.145 (talk) 23:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Countries with Gendarmerie or Gendarmerie like organizations 

message: Although I agree that the Guardia di Finanza is an ambiguous force (at least from an international perspective), I don't agree that it should not be defined as a Gendarmerie as the Guardia di Finanza, the Carabinieri and the Polizia di Stato offer general policing duties in Italy. Guardia di Finanza is specialised in customs, finance investigatiosn, drugs, anti-immigration (not border controls though which are done by Polizia di Stato), anti-smuggling and also operates normal police services, you see them operating in cities and although rarely, they can be seen at the stadium or other crowd control situations. The Guardia di Finanza also went to Afghanistan and are still there now to train the Afghanistan Border Police (that has military status). Carabinieri and Guardia di Finanza are militaries and Polizia di Stato are civilians.
Do you agree with slightly changing the phrase?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.15.156 (talk) 09:07, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guardia di Finanza. 

message: 2 People's Defence Forces of the Singapore Armed Forces are not gendarmerie. It is a full-fledged combat formation comprised of multiple Army units, including Headquarters elements and two Infantry Battalions. Its role is primarily the defence of key installations and vital areas throughout Singapore. However, it is neither a police force, a paramilitary unit nor does it discharge "gendarmerie-like" duties in the conventional sense of the term as it is understood in the Continental European tradition.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlphaBet678 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Gendarmerie Forces

message: The South African Police Service has been remilitarized in 2010:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6889:222&catid=3:Civil%20Security&Itemid=113  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.248.16.152 (talk) 11:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: South Africa

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Zebagna. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 18:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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message: Since gendarmerie assures the same roles as police "maintaining law/order" are they not a police force?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EC12:36C0:C46A:CEA0:F5E0:C273 (talk) 18:10, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role 

message: Reading it seems like Gendarmerie is mostly a traditionnal appelation rather than anything else. Gendarmerie are under the command of armed forces (or maybe not). 
In France Gendarmerie has "military status" (their work ours are not limited like a civilian typical 38 hour week (as of now since it used to be 35 hours back before)). They are not part of the army, they do not train for armed force fights. They are under the command of ministry of defence. They however use the same ranks as army (well some polices used military ranks, and many polices have at least partly ranks similar to army ones). Their missions are traditionally in country side. But now it's became common to send them also in cities (notably in Paris) where they sometimes can be seen. There is few that prevents them to intervene in cities, but their affected to country side per default.  In France "regular" policemen are under the ministry of interior.
In Switzerland police might be called "police" or "gendarmerie" depending on the canton. (And federal police is called "police"). But none of these units has military duties, or is under military command or status. They all are under Cantons' authority.
Royal Irish constabulary was deemed officially to be a gendarmerie by the governement "because not under the command of army" (while other forces called "gendarmeries" were all under military command) (It also looked like an army and fought in small scale warfare.) French governement refered to it as "Irish Gendarmerie" however, It would use civilian ranks.
For mexican units "only two of the seven units of the federal police" would constitute gendarmerie says the article (but here it says that mexican federal police is fully a gendarmerie). However only one of them "the gendarmerie division" uses "gendarmerie" in its name. 
For Portugal "the National Republican guard" like "militsya" in communist varsaw pact countries is a police force in peace, but at war it becomes a military force and becomes subordinated to armed forces. However it is always organised like a military force.
Turkish gendarmes, and police are both under the same ministry, the ministry of interior
Koevoet seem to be a state militia or an army branch rather than anything of a law enforcement agency.
Russian imperial gendarmerie seems to be a Gengarmerie 
Algerian gendarmerie is litterally calqued on the French Model, as is Centreafrican gendarmerie.
Israelian gendarmerie is under military command.
Some countries seem to have only a gendarmerie force as Jordan and Vatican. 
The statusses of said "Gendarmeries" are so variable...that it it'b be either better to rewrite the article. Because the definition, given links, and mentionned units sometimes fit in the definition, sometimes do not. 
Gendarmerie is often using marechausée which is said to be the french unit from which police came. (The word being used by Dutch Gendarmerie). Some units that may constitute gendarmerie are not using the word. 
Many units also use gendamerie as an honorary title, also some police units could be called gendarmerie. In some countries there is no distinction.
The definition needs to be changed...
A gendarmerie (/ʒɒnˈdɑːrməri, ʒɒ̃-/) is a military force with law enforcement duties among the civilian population. The term gendarme (English: /ˈʒɒndɑːrm/) is derived from the medieval French expression gens d'armes, which translates to "men-at-arms" (literally, "armed people").[1] In France and some Francophone nations, the gendarmerie is a branch of the armed forces responsible for internal security in parts of the territory (primarily in rural areas and small towns in the case of France) with additional duties as military police for the armed forces.[1] It was introduced to several other Western European countries during the Napoleonic conquests.[2] In the mid-twentieth century, a number of former French mandates or colonial possessions such as Lebanon, Syria, the Ivory Coast, and the Republic of the Congo adopted a gendarmerie after independence.[3][4] A similar concept was introduced in Eastern Europe by establishing Internal Troops, that exist in many countries of the former Soviet Union and their former allied countries.
The growth and expansion of gendarmerie units worldwide has been linked to an increasing reluctance by some governments to use military units typically entrusted with external defence for combating internal threats.[1] A somewhat related phenomenon has been the formation of paramilitary units which fall under the authority of civilian police agencies. Since these are not strictly military forces, however, they are not considered gendarmerie.[5]
Some of the more prominent modern gendarmerie organizations include the French National Gendarmerie, Spanish Civil Guard, Argentine National Gendarmerie, Italian Carabinieri, the Royal Netherlands Marechaussee, the Portuguese National Republican Guard and the Turkish Gendarmerie.[5] 
"A gendarmerie (/ʒɒnˈdɑːrməri, from french /ʒɒ̃daʀmɘri/) is a title used by some law enforcement forces, that often use a military status. Those units are often based, inspired, adaptated or even "calqued" from the French eponym unit.  
They may be part of military, independent from it, or be a sub-unit of the military or incoporated to this one. They may be more or less similar in terms of: tactics, weaponry, status; to military troops. 
In some countries, such as Algeria or France they are traditionally used in country side. Many forces bear the name Gendarmerie in ex-french colonies or european countries. It was also introduced to several Western European countries during the Napoleonic conquests.
They are rapproched with internal troops in Eastern or Soviet union countries. In some countries the appelation still is used.
The term gendarme (English: /ˈʒɒndɑːrm/) is derived from the medieval French expression gens d'armes, which translates to "men-at-arms" (literally, "armed people")."
Other appelations for units refered to or considered as gendarmeries include "Marechausee (Netherlands), Carabineros (Spanish speaking countries), Carabineris (Italy), Internal Troops, Civil Guard  
--OPAZL (talk) 16:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewriting the article