Talk:Miniature horse

message: I read this page, and then I followed a link over to read the article about ponies.  That article mentioned miniature horses and miniature ponies, so I clicked the link for miniature ponies, and I ended up right back here.  This page does not talk about miniature ponies as anything distinct from miniature horses, so I'm annoyed, but I don't know what ought to be done about it.  Are miniature ponies something different than miniature horses? -ErinHowarth (talk) 22:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, with minis are really just little tiny equines, but what is called "miniature horse" has more horse-like features, and a "miniature pony" would be more pony-like in proportion. You can compare pictures of American Miniature Horse and Mini Shetlans Pony for example to see the difference. Pitke (talk) 07:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Miniature horse people basically go ballistic if you dare to call their little dears "ponies."  (I've judged minis. I've read the breed standard, I've seen the wide range of body types that's actually out there. They ALL have pony breeding and often a pony phenotype even though the breeders and breed standard vehemently deny this.  Some of them have so much dwarfism that they actually look like sausages with legs, but that's another problem...)  Europeans acknowledge the existence of a "mini" Shetland, but trust me, it's better to just have them all in one place.  Montanabw(talk) 21:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annoying Redirect 

message: The information regarding mini horses as assistance animals in the US seems to be misleading. Taken from the Code of Federal Regulations:
:"28 C.F.R. § 35.136 Service Animals
:(i) Miniature horses.
:(1) Reasonable modifications. A public entity shall make reasonable modifications in policies, practices, or procedures to permit the use of a miniature horse by an individual with a disability if the miniature horse has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of the individual with a disability.
:(2) Assessment factors. In determining whether reasonable modifications in policies, practices, or procedures can be made to allow a miniature horse into a specific facility, a public entity shall consider--
:(i) The type, size, and weight of the miniature horse and whether the facility can accommodate these features;
:(ii) Whether the handler has sufficient control of the miniature horse;
:(iii) Whether the miniature horse is housebroken; and
:(iv) Whether the miniature horse's presence in a specific facility compromises legitimate safety requirements that are necessary for safe operation.
:(3) Other requirements. Paragraphs 35.136(c) through (h) of this section, which apply to service animals, shall also apply to miniature horses."
I'd make the changes myself, but don't have the time to read up on the proper way to do it, and how to cite, etc. So, if anyone cares enough to edit it for accuracy, knock yourself out.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.33.119 (talk) 19:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about you grab the text that's troublesome, copy it here and rewrite it here? Then we others can do the cleanup and pop it back in when it's done up nicely.  Montanabw(talk) 04:30, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assistance Animals 

message: Is it correct to say that horses "are prey animals, with a fight-or-flight instinct". I suggest instead saying "horses have a flight instinct". They do not have a fight instinct.Royalcourtier (talk) 04:45, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they do. Horses would prefer to use the flight instinct (run away from danger). However, if they can't (they're cornered, whatever), they'll fight. This is described in more depth in the horse behavior article, I believe. Dana boomer (talk) 12:06, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Fight or flight

message: *http://www.thehorse.com/articles/33767/testing-available-for-dwarfism-gene-in-miniature-horses
 We need to make this article one for a GA push. What say you? Montanabw(talk) 19:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like fun. I've spent a bit of time on it now (and integrated the above article), but it still needs a lot more work. I'll probably swing back through tonight and do some more work. References need checking for RS, external links need a trim, and the first and third subsections of the Controversies section need more refs... Dana boomer (talk) 16:13, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

text: I've taken another run through, and now everything through the Uses section is fully referenced to reliable sources. It probably needs expanding and tweaking, but it's a solid base. Would you want to take a first run through the controversies sections? I've tossed a bunch of cn and rs tags in - basically, every ref I haven't formatted needs to be replaced, plus there's another ref that I didn't tag, but added a hidden comment to. If you want to take a run through these, we should be able to then step back and take a look and see where we need to add/subtract/move around stuff... Dana boomer (talk) 21:46, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: WIll do, it's going to be a little slow because I am out of town and am not online with time to sit and think much... but I will do this!  Montanabw(talk) 20:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  DNA test for dwarfism gene 

message: Dana, am a bit concerned about the removal of material with sources you are concerned about.  Would prefer to see this stuff tagged with  or {[dubious]] so it can be more closely assessed; some is probably tossable, but other stuff can be verified elsewhere.  I hate to keep going back to the Hedricks well, sometimes these breed sites are actually very reliable even if they also have ads.  Thoughts?  Montanabw(talk) 22:17, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't think I tossed much, if anything, in my work? Maybe a couple of trivia bits in the Registration section, but I think I did more expanding and moving around then anything else. In the controversies sections, AFAIK, I didn't remove any information, just tagged for un-RS and cn. I was looking for some stuff this morning to source the Horse or pony section and found some good stuff on Google Books. Breed associations are also fine. As for the ones I tagged - mini-horse.org is a blog, angelfire sites are never reliable (if the author is an expert, their info can be found elsewhere), and a horse rescue is about the same caliber as a breeding barn, which we almost never use. Google Books, The Horse, etc. have a lot and are going to be much better sources - we can do much better than a bunch of blogs and personal sites. It all has to be either properly sourced (my preference) or tossed if we're going to GAN, though. Dana boomer (talk) 02:00, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It was mostly the mini-horse site and the bit on South Africa - but it's been a few years since I have taken a serious look at the article.  Seems like once upon a time, I had a spat with someone who was upset about international focus and I remember doing some digging into info from around the world (the horse/pony question was tied up in the discussion).  Anyway, seems that the mini-horse site had reliable stuff at the time, not easily found elsewhere.  Beyond that, I agree with you on the sources as far as what is RS.   Montanabw(talk) 04:40, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what you mean about South Africa? It's still in the history section, although I expanded and tweaked it a bit... I think the mini-horse site is going to be fairly easy to replace...I was able to replace four un-RS sources in one swoop today with an article from The Horse - man, I love that site. Also did a bit of expanding in a couple other sections with some good sources I found while looking for other stuff... Dana boomer (talk) 19:12, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all good; my cataract is sometimes making it hard for me to sort through big changes and rearranges, it was moved and I couldn't find where it went.  You are doing fine. I'm out of town and not in my usual computer setup, so the vision thing is particularly bothersome to me at the moment.  Aging sucks. Montanabw(talk) 06:32, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: There should be a note in the conformation section about how many Minis, especially those bred within the last ten years or so, have Arabian conformation, with dished faces, flat croups and crested necks. I had added a sentence or two about that, but somebody removed them. White Arabian mare (talk) 18:37, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I probably did so; we don't want to confuse these with real Arabians (they've been showing them with Arab tack for at least 20 years that I know of).  Also, and more important, if we are going to add material like that, we need to go out and find sources to verify the information.  (See WP:RS)  If you can find articles on breeding to a more Arabian look, feelfree to post them here and we can see if we can work that into the article.  Montanabw(talk) 04:26, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

text: When I've judged them (not often) I see a lot of broad foreheads and dishes, but that could be other pony influence... I'm not in a hurry to compare minis to Arabians due to the problems minis have with dwarfism and other problems.  There isn't any close-up Arabian breeding in them; they are more like comparing a Shetland Sheepdog to a Rough Collie; a great example of how selective breeding can imitate a phenotype even when the original genes are waaaaaay back.  ;-)   Montanabw(talk) 01:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabian type Minis 

message: The lead should include a brief description differentiating ponies from miniature horses.  Often a reader just needs to find out if this is the correct article for the desired information -- or if another article is more appropriate.  If possible, please clarify this in the lead  (I have read the entire article and am still unsure). Thanks, ~107.15.152.93 (talk) 08:04, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pony differentiation 

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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: Content fork. Doesn't need two articles. Put American MH into Miniature Horse. Separate registries for different countries doesn't make a separate breed for encyclopedic purposes. We don't have separate dog or cat breed articles by country even though there are multiple registries, so why would we do that with horse breeds. See as examples Border Collie and Persian cat. Use similar logic, standards, and formats.  ▶ I am Grorp ◀  07:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, no, oppose – not a content fork, one is a general page about a type of horse found in many parts of the world, the other a page on one of the several distinct breeds within that type (of which the most significant by far is the Falabella). Why is the article on the American breed proposed for merging while those on other miniature breeds are not? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  To answer your question, I was editing List of North American horse breeds and reading its talk page—not looking at miniature breeds. And most of the content of AMH came from MH in the first place; but you would know that because I see you're the editor who did that.  ▶ I am Grorp ◀  09:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

text: I would oppose this too. American Miniatures are a sub-group of Miniature horses. Showing classes sometimes specify one or the other in the UK and handlers are very vocal on the subject of how the American Miniature has changed the breed type and not for the better. Indie (talk) 14:50, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[American Miniature Horse]] into [[Miniature horse]]