Talk:Samara culture

message: Section Indo-European Urheimat starts with mention of "three cultures."  Which three? Jamesdowallen (talk) 16:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only unclear - who wrote such nonsense: " dates Samara culture at cal. C-14 5200–4500 BC, with possible continuation into first half of 5th millennium, ..."?? 2A02:8108:9640:AC3:819D:7292:FB3F:14F5 (talk) 08:51, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

text: Further: "approximately 7,000 years BP" is double nonsense, because false date and ambiguous 'BP'. Correct is "8000-7000 calBC, only archaeologically dated", which means, there is no RC date. Quiles 2020, all-ancient-dna-2-07-31-full.xlsx2A02:8108:9640:AC3:911C:F6EE:80AC:268 (talk) 06:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Unclear

message: Note to dating: In the very latest book of Gimbutas supporter V.A.Dergachev, 2007 (), except one the most detailed compilation of data about horses domestication and scepters, we find dating of Samara culture in reasonable cal. C-14 5200-4500 BCE with possible continuatation into first half of 5th millennium, Khvalinskaya cca 4600-3900 BCE. As I understand, data are based on synchronisation, not radicarbon dating or dendrochronology of Samara culture sites itself! Synchronisation to the west: Samara = Mariupol = Tripolie A = Vinča - Turdas (Vinča B, C); Khvalinskaya = Sredni Stog 1 = Tripolie B1 = Pre-Cucuteni = [Gumelnita]; Maykop = Yamna = Sredni Stog II = Tripolie B2 = Cerna Voda I = Salcuta IV = Bodrogkeresztur.
Note to burial rite: according to reliable Russian sources - NO KURGANS AT ALL! Low earthen covers - as it seems that sometimes the dead have been put on a surface and covered with ground, sometimes with stones (but no cairns mentioned). Citation: Generally burial rite without kurgans is typical for the Samara culture, with dead lying raised on their back in single or multiple graves with or without grave pit, dead covered in ochra, North or Norht-Eastern orientation.
Note to metals: Citation: At the moment (year 2000), there are no metal object to be found in Samara region belonging to Samara culture. However, trasological analysis showed some bone items to be manufactured with copper tools and there is one small copper-shim from neighbouring region. 
Note to periodization: There are 2 traditional stages: older and younger, where older is parallel to Mariupol culture and younger to Khvalinsk, while the latter could be called composite Samara-Mariupol stage. Third one, is suggested youngest stage, from 4500 to 4000 cal. BCE, or even younger. 
Pleas, don't confuse poor readers with other explanations like: Samara culture itself and Samara cuture in a broad sence including Khvalinsk and Yamna, cos the later one is just part parallelisation to neighbouring cultures.
Note to horses: It seems that only part of the people sharing this culture accepted productive economy - northern regoins continued with hunting and fishing as the only food source. In southern part, in steppe, locally indigenous horse and cow hunting/later?/breeding was carried, while hunting still held an important role.
Citations from http://povolzie.archeologia.ru/16.htm (Encyclopaedy История Самарского Поволжья с древнейших времен до наших дней. Каменный век. by Russian Academy of Science, 2000, Samara)
Andy 9-JAN-2009
: Thank You! Please correct all this!2A02:8108:9640:AC3:911C:F6EE:80AC:268 (talk) 06:26, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some notes 

message: There is both village of Syezzheye and a small river Syezzhaya (Syeszhaya), also being mentioned in archaeo context. mikka (t) 17:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "The fifth millennium, of course, is 4000-4999."  Wrong!  There was no year 0, so every decade, century and millennium starts with the year ending in '1', not '0'.  So the fifth millenium BCE was from 4001 - 5000.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.2.4 (talk) 01:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  --- 

message: Please remove that mistaken template, for it has nothing to do with history or archaeology, rather than with climatology. Moreover, it is cruelly outdated. HJJHolm (talk) 09:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Outdatedness aside, on what basis are you claiming that climatology has "nothing to do" with history or archaeology?  My understanding is that some of the major turning points in the history of human civilization, as revealed by archaeology, have been clearly associated with climate changes. 186.176.8.94 (talk) 17:21, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  This has to be proven. Tne template alone and as such has nothing to do with the special topic. Simply google my peer-reviewed publications.HJJHolm (talk) 06:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Holocene Template

message: Please provide a link the first time a word is introduced in the text. I understand that it can be difficult to track when editing is continuous, but it's a real disservice to the reader to do otherwise. Thanks.  KC 00:41, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links  

message: I don't understand what this means:
:"Eneolithic" has a similar equivocal meaning. It might be considered a western derivative of Scythians. 
Please revise. Thanks.  KC 00:45, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear 

message: Both of these entries contain "not to be confused with" statements referring to the other.  However, apart from a geographical distance well within the range of horses, it's not made clear why these two cultures are considered to be different.  The dates given for their existence appear to overlap as well. 186.176.8.94 (talk) 17:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Justification for disambiguation between "Samarra" and "Samara" culture entries. 

message: What the hell does this mean?  Circa 5000 BCE or circa 4000 BCE?
"Middle of the 5th millennium" is bad enough -- Why not just say "circa 4500 BCE"?  But "TURN of the 5th millennium BCE"?  Ridiculous!  I'm native English speaker and would be guessing ... and hoping that the Wiki editor didn'\t get it wrong.
Thanks for your prompt attention in fixing this horrid terminology.Jamesdowallen (talk) 08:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "flourished around the turn of the 5th millennium BCE" 

message: There were - obviously without noticing it - two entries for the same find, which were based on three sources. This would have been easy to recognize if the ID had been given in full and cost me a lot of time.HJJHolm (talk) 06:31, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetics mistake