Talk:Party for Socialism and Liberation

message: Link to article on the Tienanmen square protests is dead.  Maybe we should find a link that is not Party controlled?  archive.org?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.131.62.2 (talk) 23:07, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tienanmen square 

message: The PSL's New York City branch is based in Harlem.
Just statements is self promotion and does not belong in wikipedia. It mentions that it has a branch in Harlem throughout the article.
:Would you like me to create an AfD page for you? -Amarkov blahedits 02:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is self promotion 

message: No one has yet to dispute it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.161.73.206 (talk) 02:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dispute it. -Amarkov blahedits 02:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I dispute it too, certainly it doesn't meet any of the criteria for speedy deletion based on the content here. Issues with the article should be taken to either the talkpage (preferable at this point) or to the articles for deletion page. Newyorkbrad 02:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I would dispute it too, at least for the time being.  I might support an AfD though.  The article has problems.  It needs to plainly assert notiability.  It needs to source to local or regional media outlets that documented events and activities.  As it is all sources are self promoting.  What about some scholarly references (texts or periodicals) on the development/devolvement of socialist or revolutionary parties?  I don't see how this autobiographical, however, unless the creating editor is the only member. Edivorce 02:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is this a controversial deletion? 

message: I see that yet another Anon IP, this time with no prior edit history what-so-ever has sharpely truncated the article pending it's AfD.  I won't get into a revert war.  I have said my peace.  I believe the article should be evaluated on this version.  I'll trust that Wikipedians can figure this out for themselves.  Edivorce 16:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Truncated article 

message: Please tell. -Amarkov blahedits 17:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay, so what is POV about the article? 

message: Were there any?
Also, I find it interesting how many schisms formed this party: Communist Party>Socialist Workers Party>Workers World Party>Party for Socialism and Liberation! Шизомби (talk) 00:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that 2008 is the first year of PSL candidates. BTW, the Communist Party was also formed by expelled members of the old Socialist Party of America, who supported the October Revolution. The SPA itself was formed by former Socialist Labor Party members. The SLP is the oldest socialist party in the US, though it is barely alive anymore. Cmrdm (talk) 01:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Not to my knowledge.  BTW, the SWP came out of the SPA, some time after all Trotskyists in general had been expelled from the Communist Party.  Membership in the Comintern was also a more relevant issue than the October Revolution itself in the formation of the Communist Party of America and the Communist Labor Party (both of which came out of the SPA, and became members of the Comintern, which later ordered them to merge).  The founders of the SPA also included the Social Democratic Party in addition to one wing of the SLP.  But I think we're in danger of getting a wee bit off-topic.  Just let me add that such a series of splits is not unusual for US Communist organizations.  -David Schaich Talk/Cont 01:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candidates prior to 2008 presidential election? 

message: I'd be interested in more information on the origins of the PSL, the reason for their split from the WWP, ideological differences, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.217.171 (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No one knows (makes spooky sound). I've been told outright by a member of the Workers World Party that they will not discuss the issue with anyone outside the party and the PSL probably has the same rule. It's a rather un-Leninist version of democratic centralism. --MQDuck 09:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't know the answer here, but I think the odds are fairly good that the roots of the split lie as much or more in personal grievances as opposed to major ideological differences. Perhaps the latter were part of the problem, but there's a good chance they were just as much a symptom of the former. Speaking from some experience, the folks at WWP, ANSWER, the IAC, etc. are not particularly known for their top-flight interpersonal skills. The reason for the split may be somewhat mundane and embarrassing, and perhaps that's why we don't really hear about the details. Of course I could be wrong about this and I have no source to back me up, but as far as explanations go this is not a crazy one if you are familiar with how these groups function. Just as a side note, from what I understand the main reason United for Peace and Justice stopped even trying to work with ANSWER was simply that they couldn't stand dealing with them anymore (at least this was UFPJ's reason—ANSWER no doubt sees it differently). --Bigtimepeace | talk |  contribs 21:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Right, "Liberal" or not, Workers World never supported the war in Afghanistan.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.188.200 (talk) 20:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: Stevie Merino being the only challenger to the incumbent was hinted at in the source already provided, in this manner:
"Party for Socialism and Liberation candidate Stevie Danielle Merino got 5,057 votes—16 percent of all ballots cast—against a highly funded, corporate-backed incumbent. Merino is a 21-year-old retail worker, community college student and member of the PSL."
From the source: - PSL campaign wins thousands of votes for socialist platform in Long Beach
But the person who removed it was right; it wasn't enough evidence. Therefore I added another source which directly states it in this manner:
"For months leading up to the January 15, 2010 deadline for candidates to file their intentions to run for office, it looked as though current Long Beach Mayor Bob Foster would run unopposed in his bid for re-election this April. A few names were rumored to be considering a run, but as the deadline to file neared, it began to look more likely that Foster would not face any challengers.
That is, until 21-year old Cerritos College student and lifelong Long Beach resident Stevie Merino threw her hat into the ring, filing papers to challenge Foster for the city’s chief elected position. Although the Mayor’s race is nonpartisan, Merino is a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL)."
From the source: Stevie Merino: The Other Option For Mayor at LBPost.com
It is on the public record that she was the only challenger to the incumbent. If you so desire I will add another dozen sources. It is just absurd to contest this fact.
Ledszeppelin (talk) 04:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stevie Merino issue in the "PSL Electoral participation" section 

message: This section currently consists of only two sentences, both of which state vague policy generalizations (i.e. "Human rights of minorities"), and are sourced only from the PSL's website rather than any outside observer. I propose that this section be expanded and re-sourced for more objectivity.
As for the International Views section, it needs some sourcing on the part referring to the "right of return" and its stance on the Middle East tension.
Tallanto (talk) 17:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic/International Views sections need expansion, re-sourcing. 

message: Why was it deleted? KurtFF8 (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did the election box go? 

message: Peta Lindsay as a presidential candidate should be considered frivolous as she was born in 1984. US presidential candidates must be 35 years old, meaning that she is automatically disqualified because of her age.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.248.0.135 (talk) 04:19, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of the qualifications of becoming President, Lindsay is qualified to run for President. So the campaign is thus a legitimate campaign  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.96.41.80 (talk) 20:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of Peta Lindsay 

message: Revisionism (Marxism) is listed under the ideology section for the PSL but the change isn't listed in the change log and there isn't a comment about it in the talk page or any scources.People1917 (talk) 19:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revisionism (Marxism) 

message: The entire article reads like a press release for the party.  It is a WP:SOAP, the ideology section definitely needs to be trimmed down. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 22:02, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propaganda page 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: This article is almost completely on primary sources, the content is highly doubtful, the better is to eliminate such parts without any real reference. JoaquimCebuano (talk) 19:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the content below as relying solely upon PSL sources, or upon PSL sources + an ISO blog. SocDoneLeft (talk) 21:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary source 

message: I think it makes more sense to call PSL "Leninist", but include Marxist-Leninist in the list of ideologies. PSL never *explicitly* call themselves a ML organization (in the sources cited, they just say they support ML theories of the state), but PSL do explicitly call themselves a "Leninist party". SocDoneLeft (talk) 19:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leninism or Marxism-Leninism label 

message: No WP:RS on this yet, but saved from a reverted edit:
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thread_title:  Candidate 

message: Breakthrough News is an independent news outlet hosted by Eugene Puryear and Rania Khalek. It currently does not have a page, but it redirects here?? This does not make sense to me. 
The best I can figure out is its because Puryear was previously a PSL candidate? But at least redirecting to him would make a lot more sense than just PSL. 
The page "Breakthrough News" appears to not exist, as a redirect or otherwise, so I'm not really sure how the redirect is happening. 
Please delete or change this redirect. 
Also, perhaps give input on Breakthrough News's notability/page potential. Jdftba (talk) 19:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is the article that gives the most info on BTN so it seems a good redirect. Here is the content the reader would reach:  BobFromBrockley (talk) 12:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Redirect "Breakthrough News" -> PSL??