Talk:Vogue (Madonna song)

message: I have removed the text stating the song 'kept several songs off the number one spot in May 1990'. Every number one song keeps several songs off the top spot by definition! Smurfmeister 09:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chart success

message: The music video section of this article is hardly neutral - it definitely needs some reworking. Triggy 00:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: It is assumed in this section that the timbre change in her voice was not intended.  Often timbre changes are intended for emphasis.  Can someone provide a reason why it would not be intended in this case? Laikalynx 01:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Madonna-Vogue.jpg

message: Vogue (Madonna song) → Vogue (song)
The other two songs by this name aren't notable enough, did not have similar global succes.--79.112.52.120 (talk) 16:31, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request move 

message: I'd like to know the way to verify that Madonna is performing the song the images provided claim she is...--Jetstreamer (talk) 19:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can we verify this? 

message: I think the list of samples should be reviewed.
In the current section it states:
"Vogue" contains samples of some songs from the disco era. The bassline is from by MFSB.
It cites the following as the source: http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-09-23/nyc-life/love-is-the-message
The source is an interview with Danny Tenaglia and states:
"What is your favorite record ever? "Love Is the Message" by MFSB. It's a mini Broadway play to me. It is the mother of all House music. It can be heard in Madonna's "Vogue" and countless other spin-offs."
No mention of a bassline. Just a DJ's opinion.
While I personally believe there are samples from the song, I don't believe it to be the bassline.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jizzaster (talk • contribs) 17:18, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composition 

message: I am curious that there is no reference to VMG's 2012 suit against Madonna; her former record label, WB records; and "Vogue" producer Shep Pettibone, claiming that Madonna's "Vogue" track illegally samples a 1977 song, "Love Break."  Pettibone also produced the 1977 track.  Madonna won this lawsuit won this lawsuit in 2013, when the court ruled that "no reasonable audience would find the sampled portions of a 1976 composition significant, nor would they recognize the appropriation." http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/madonna-music-producer-win-vogue-657052
I'm curious if you feel that this information is interesting and relevant or rather, extraneous to the article since the lawsuit is over and Madonna was victorious?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randy041 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's relevant, yes. It's been added by myself and Tinamaria2014. Binksternet (talk) 18:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: There are two pictures that are Madonna performing live that are in sections that do not correlate with the description. Some organizing of this article will greatly improve.  All three pictures relating to the live performances should be put in that section to keep the article organized.  Does that make sense, or should the pictures be removed and replaced with something more relevant to the topic?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinamaria2014 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Organize

message: Substituted at 01:16, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Does anybody know the names of the musicians who played on Vogue?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterbillionaire (talk • contribs) 05:28, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Were there any? Or is this like one of electronic albums with a list of 50 "producers" and 2 musicians? Kellymoat (talk) 15:52, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

text: The musicians on the record were Fred McFarlane Keyboards, Bass and Programming, and Alan Friedman Drums and Programming...btw Fred McFarlane co-wrote Robin S.' "Show Me Love", and Alan Friedman was the programmer for C&C Music Factory. Swayzeiee (talk) 02:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who were the musicians? 

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message: Track listing (please add):
Canadian 7-inch Promo
# "Vogue" (LP Version) – 4:50
# "Vogue" (Single Version) – 4:19 Just1kidding (talk) 22:20, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Promo releases were not for sale in retail and should not be mentioned as they are just unnecessary promotional material. —IB [ Poke ] 06:18, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2018 

message: I have just checked the Slant article cited as the source for this claim and I respectfully dispute this point. I suggest that this is a misinterpretation, and It is clear to me that, in terms of feminist messaging, the author is specifically referring to "Express Yourself", not "Vogue", in that section: 
"Vogue” falls in line with a startling arc of growth and self-consciousness of which “Express Yourself” was the warning shot, an unmistakably feminist missive that explicitly excluded straight males from its directive and then commanded they respond to its demands."
What say you, oh perfect masters? 
Dunks (talk) 02:47, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Dunk, as explained before, this is your original research in the politest way possible. Start with finding reliable sources and facts else this is not a forum. You were correct about the feminist anthem piece and I have removed it. —IB [ Poke ] 05:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

text: This article is far from being anything remotely good I should say and needs much, much work to bring it upto the standards of the articles that is seen in the WP:MADONNA wikiproject. We can of course remove any unsourced info completely and without any hesitation. —IB [ Poke ] 10:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vogue a feminist song? Not really 

message: Re the live performance section, there is IMO no basis, and no citation, to support the assertion that Madge bore "great resemblance to Marie Antoinette" ... she was wearing one of Glenn Close's Dangerous Liaisons frocks, true, but Glenn didn't portray Marie Antoinette in that film, and the Queen of Reinvention  looks *nothing* like the former Queen of France. Can we remove that please?
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Dunks (talk) 13:54, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Its present in Carol Clerk's book in great detail. I have moved and amended the line. —IB [ Poke ] 14:15, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to add or remove content based on what you think. If a reputable book source from an author is describing her, then it is present. Again, you are going time and time into original research and your point of view. If after all these years in Wikipedia you don't know the difference between the two, I suggest you read the five pillars again. Thanks and adios. —IB [ Poke ] 14:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

text: Dunks you need to stop with your WP:OR and mind your language and tone. Your garbage way of communication and personal attacks] is the reason why editors won't collaborate or listen to anything you have to say. You have time and time again gone off rambling about what you think which has no place in Wikipedia. Oh and pinging  who had explained your habit of adding your POV and OR on your talk page. I clearly stated in the previous section that this article has many unsourced statements which can easily be removed and does not even need discussion. —IB [ Poke ] 16:51, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  MTV Awards 1990 performance 

message: Vogue is number 3 in the new, updated list: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-music-videos-1194411/fatboy-slim-praise-you-2-1195889/
I think Vogue needs to be a better edited/written page. Iwish i could help at writing but my english aren't that great. I can search and find usefull links and accolades tho. Johnny Gnecco (talk) 00:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I agree with you. This article requires an attention and have at least a GA status. There is two advantages about this song as with other Madonna's Magnum opus works: both literature and references are unfathomable and perhaps Madonna has more active/semi-active users in all-Wikipedia versions than any other (female) artist. Sooner or later, an user will work with it. Personally, my strong areas are find foreign material, such as sales or chart positions; I could however find also useful links. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 01:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Reception paragraph should move in the Legacy section maybe? Also, in the link i shared above, David Fincher says how many hours Vogue needed to be directed, that's an info that could be added in the Music Video section too. Someone who has english as main language could add it. The page needs to be way more "richer". I've seen some of her least known songs being better written and have more information. I also think a page about her biopic should open too, it's confirmed that its happening . Johnny Gnecco (talk) 17:37, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rolling Stone updated list 

message: The ballroom scene of “Vogue,” which has predominantly black and Latinx LGBTQ+ members, is monumental in creating a sense of community among those those who were marginalized in the dominant sphere. Although some critics recognize the ballroom culture and its diversity when discussing Madonna’s hit “Vogue”, there is little additional discussion on whether her song should be seen as appreciation of ballroom culture or appropriation of it. Using the art style of individuals within the ballroom scene and profiting from a movement spearheaded by marginalized peoples themselves is very problematic. While Madonna found stardom and benefitted socially and economically, queer performers were left unrecognized and under-resourced. Considering the lack of recognition of the black-queer individuals by mainstream culture this cultural appropriation, Madonna’s “Vogue” can be considered both an example of white individuals taking from Black performers, and a colonization of ballroom culture.
Works Cited
Bailey, Marlon M. Butch Queens Up in Pumps: Gender, Performance, and Ballroom Culture in Detroit. Ann Arbor, MI: University of Michigan Press, 2013.
“How Today's Ballroom Leaders Are Fighting a History of Appropriation.” VICE, July 22, 2019. https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3xmje/how-todays-ballroom-leaders-are-fighting-a-history-of-appropriation.
Saveriano, Marco. “The Complicated Case of Madonna's 'Vogue'.” FanSided. FanSided, March 27, 2020. https://fansided.com/2020/03/27/madonna-vogue-cultural-appropriation-question/. MarvelousDrew (talk) 02:31, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The charges about "appropriation" are actually documented in its main article, Vogue (dance) where perhaps it fits better as the historical context and criticisms (usually understood from) black gay community and have WP:UNDUE as it is largely perceived as well, from mainstream that she brought it to the awarness. It is also mentioned in the Madonna as a gay icon article. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 03:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Sorry but how queer performers were left unrecognized? They were dancers on her tour, they were giving interviews like celebs, they were in her doc, some of them even thanked her for boosting their career, and she still mentions them from time to time even to this days. How she left them unrecognized??? Johnny Gnecco (talk) 13:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appropriation or Appreciation 

message: Vogue was initially recorded at Homeboy Recording, situated at 410 West 53rd St. This studio served as the recording space as it was Fred McFarlane's personal studio, housing all the necessary equipment. Given McFarlane's frequent collaboration with Mr. Pettibone, they chose this location for its efficiency, eliminating the need for cartage to transport Mr. McFarlne’s equipment. The recording setup featured a Harrison M3R mixing console and an Ampex MM1200 24" tape machine, using Ampex 456 +6/185 tape. Swayzeiee (talk) 09:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Initial Recording Studio 

message: I'm trying to understand why you would add the Alan's information but not Fred's. It's curious to me. I could literally give you the rundown of all people present. Also Alan used Voyetra Pro software on a PC. Fred used MOTU's Digital Performer on a Macintosh SE Swayzeiee (talk) 09:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Musicians