Talk:O. J. Simpson/Archive 1

message: So, how 'low-speed' was this? I'm not an American and I don't remember that pursuit, so I would like to know how slow it really was... What distance did they travel in what time? Thanks!
We need some info about his career here too, and his Hollywood career. That would make it a more complete biography.
Antonio El Demonio Martin
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i beleive it averaged 35 miles per hour. the driver wasnt really running from the police even thought it is called a "chase". the driver claimed that OJ had a gun to his own head. personally i think the country would be better off if OJ had pulled the trigger. Keltik31 17:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How low?

message: Removed as a result from "Since this trial Simpson has been largely regarded as a pariah or persona-non-grata by many in the entertainment industry and elsewhere and has not been able to continue his acting career. "  There's actually no incentive for Simpson to find work of any sort, since his salary would be attached in order to pay the judgement against him, and I suspect it's this rather than lack of opportunity that keeps him idle.  There's always someone who would gladly "stunt cast" the notorious, if there's money to be made! -- Someone else 03:19 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
:I don't disagree with the edit but do strongly feel from a number of interviews I've seen that his career is over anyways. Of course there might be isolated stunt appearances - even Gary Coleman gets a role once in a while even though his career is thoroughly over (last I heard he was a Hollywood security guard). --mav 03:27 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::I agree it's over. I suspect you would also agree that as acting careers go, it wasn't really much of a start<G>...  But this is also the reason you won't find him doing pay-for-views, like he did during his first trial. (somewhere here are my OJ trial books, I'll try and dig them out to see if there's anything to add) -- Someone else 03:33 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::: The existence of the judgment does not, in and of itself, explain why OJ does not seek employment. The judgment was only for some 35 million dollars, and in today's world, someone like OJ could earn that much in a couple of years. After paying back, the rest of his earnings would completely belong to him. If he could have a career, it is not prevented by the judgment alone. Perhaps he has indeed become unemployable. Look what Sumner Redstone did with Tom Cruise. 66.108.4.183 00:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pariah?

message: Image labeled as perhaps not available for use.  Moved to this page. 
 
WBardwin 05:18, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image - Contested 

message: The article claims the OJ Simpson trial and the following media coverage lasted 133 days.  I hereby dispute this figure.  It felt more like 5,692,498,449,011,055 days... give or take ~500.  --69.234.208.76 02:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trial + coverage 133 days? 

message: Cochrane first used the "If it doesn't fit you must acquit" statement shortly after putting on a black cap and asking whether this would be a good disguise for Mr. Simpson to commit a crime.  He then said, about this possible disguise that "it doesn't fit.  It doesn't make sense.  If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."  He then used it later in the trial in th eglove situation.  --Eft 06:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: If it doesn't fit, misattributed

message: I added another theory put forward by William Dear in his book.  I am not sure whether it is proper for Wiki, but considering the alternative murder theories section was there already, I thought I could add it.  Feel free to make edits as needed. Ramsquire 17:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative murder theories 

message: To quote Dave Chappelle in his sketch on jury selection, "What black man doesn't have a pair of bloody gloves on his property?" <holds up a pair of freshly bloodied gloves> "I gotta pair of bloody gloves right HERE -doesn't mean i did nothin'" ...Hahah  -CW70.26.11.45 04:53, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance of the bloody glove

message: I deleted the following from the "Alternative Murder theories" section, not because I disagreed with the assertions, but because it is against wiki's policy.  See WP:NOT and WP:OR
"Most of these "facts" have no basis in reality, however, and do not explain Simpson's statement to police, in which he acknowleged cutting himslef badly right at the time of the murders and yet had no idea how it happened, and in which he lied about his whereabouts the night of the murders.  Nor do these postulations explain Simpson's behavior after being accused (running away, planning suicide, apologizing to the police for leading them on the chase).  In addition, DNA tests identified Simpson's blood at the scene (at odds of more than 60 billion to one).  The defense argued that the blood evidence was contaminated ("garbage in, garbage out"), but all the comtamination into the world could not turn someone else's blood into Simpson's blood.  Contamination would mean no result, not a match to an innocent person."
That being said, most of the entire first paragraph of the section also contains violations of Wiki policy as they contain unverifiable information, unlike the second alternative theory.  I think it should be reverted but I don't want to make such a drastic edit without hearing other users thoughts first.  Please advise.Ramsquire 01:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No commentary... 

message: I think that the O.J. Simpson trial was a big and complicated enough story to deserve its own page.  Feedback? -- Pinktulip 03:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit late here, but I agree with your proposal, or fait accompli. Nice job. ProhibitOnions 14:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  O.J. Simpson trial subpage? 

message: Outsie of the time it consumed, the trail ruined Simpson's reputation. That is the main effect on his life: his lucrative acting career is over.  That is my point.  If you find that the supporting statements need further editing then please do so, but please do not revert the entire paragraph. 
There are many african-americans that believe he was successfully proven not guilty based on the fact that those prosecuting him where racist.  My main point is, your not being Neutral.   And do we really need to be sarcastic?  I will give you time to reword it, but currently its not NPOV. -- (Opes 00:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I accept the court verdict.  I am simply trying to point out that, fair or otherwise, it was the murder trail that ended his acting career. -- Pinktulip 00:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ehhh.  Say that then.  Say, Regardless of the verdict, and the conversy surrounding it, he reputation and acting career was ruined.  Or something to the effect.  The paragraph you added is leading to the POV that he deserved to be found guilty, and thats why he was ruined. -- (Opes 01:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trial subpage 

message: --Greasysteve13 07:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See O. J. Simpson murder case#The slow-speed chase. ×Meegs 11:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So he *is* guilty!--Greasysteve13 03:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was he running from the police? 

message: I belive we should have some further details on his trial, or start a new article.  Mention who is lawyers we're etc
:See O. J. Simpson murder case. —Chowbok 02:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trial Details 

message: Is there any chance that he was at the crime scene, but did not participate? When he said "I did not kill her", might be true, but would he admit that he was there? I don´t think so. andreasegde 12:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Present but not active?

message: This has nothing to do with race; it's about OJ killin' people. And y'know what? I think he did it.
Your trusty friend, 
--El Niño's Brother 21:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: You Know What?

message: What is the point of this reference? Obviously there was a lot of hype at the time, but I doubt many people are still using the term.--Jack Upland 00:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Yes, they are. It became a very popular term, and one that is still associated with this case. Hanako 17:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trial of the Century??? 

message: There needs to be more info on the civil trial.--Jack Upland 00:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil trial 

message: The article states that he was drafted by the NFLs Buffalo Bills. I think Buffalo were in the AFl at the time, ahead of the NFL/AFL merger the following year.
"Simpson was drafted by the American Football League's Atlanta Falcons, who got first pick in the 1969 draft after finishing 1-12-1 in 1968. Early in his NFL career, Simpson struggled on poor Buffalo teams, averaging only 622 yards per season. "
This part of the article doesn't explain how he got from Atlanta to Buffalo (or maybe Atlanta is just a mistake). If he was traded to Buffalo or however he got there, it should be mentioned. --BHC 23:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football draft 

message: I was going to integrate the trivia section into the main article as part of the Trivia Cleanup Project, but I can't find anything worth keeping in an encyclopedia. I'm posting the deleted section here in case anyone disagress and would like to integrate parts of it into the article text. 
*O. J. was referenced, coincidentally years before the murder case, in an episode of Seinfeld, "The Masseuse", in which Elaine suggests her then-boyfriend, Joel Rifkin (who shared his name with an infamous  serial killer), change his name to O. J. to avoid the stigma. Subsequent to Simpson's murder trial, the infamous "glove incident" was parodied in the trial of Elaine's arch-enemy Sue Ellen Mischke who tries on a bra in the courtroom only to proclaim "it doesn't fit."
*In another episode of Seinfeld, "The Big Salad", the car-chase scene is parodied when Cosmo Kramer drives a man suspected of murdering a man at a dry cleaners down the New Jersey Turnpike in a white Ford Bronco, which is a similar model to Simpson's.
*In the popular Grand Theft Auto series of videogames, the character B.J. Smith is a parody of O. J. Simpson. B.J. was a former football player, was in a police chase, and was in a controversial murder trial within the scope of the three PlayStation 2 GTA games.
*Simpson was parodied in a sketch on Saturday Night Live in which Simpson, played by Tim Meadows, works for NBC as an NFL color commentator. When using the telestrator to describe a play, he unknowingly spells out "I Did It" in big letters.  Also, on the first Weekend Update to air after the trial, Norm MacDonald opened the segment with, "Well, it's official: Murder is legal in the state of California."
*In an episode of The Saturday Night Armistice, British satirist, Armando Iannucci was filmed getting an autograph from O. J. during a trip to the UK. After being filmed getting the autograph, (and with O. J. safely out of sight) he unfolded the paper the autograph was on to reveal that the top half of the paper read "I DID IT, Signed…", followed by the autograph.
*In an episode of Family Guy, it is heavily implied that Stewie Griffin planted jealousy on O. J.'s mind while drunk on Mai Tais by saying "I'm telling you, Juice. She's screwing behind your back. And if I were in your Bruno Maglis, I wouldn't stand for it."
*The video game Duke Nukem 3D has references throughout the game including a chase scene on a T.V. of Simpson's white Broncoas well as giant billboards saying "innocent?" and "Guilty!".
*In an episode of The Simpsons, Homer was accused of a murder. A newspaper headline said "The Ho.J Simpson trial begins today" as a deliberate reference to O. J.In another episode Bart and his friend Milhouse are watching an episode of South Park on the television were Cartman and his friends are watching a concert with Steve Gutenberg , Calista Flockhart ,and Farty The Crippled robot ,Farty farts Out O.J. Who Says,"i'm gonna kill you all."and then "now i'm gonna find the real killers."
*Rock band The Moistboyz have a song entitled O.G. Simpson, the front cover of the single features a police mugshot of O. J.
*Pins have been marketed that say "Drink Apple Juice because O. J. will kill you."
*In 1995, an insurance agency based in Southern California whose primary market was higher risk drivers featured a commercial showing the infamous slow highway chase scene.
*Johnny Crass, a singer sometimes confused with "Weird Al" Yankovic; made a song titled "Ball Star", a parody of "All Star" by Smashmouth. The song refers to various aspects of the murders.
*In Chappelle's Show there was a sketch where Dave Chappelle goes in to court to testify for O. J. The lawyer says "Would it convince you if we told you we found a bloody glove on O. J.'s property?" In which Chappelle replied " Sir, I am unimpressed, what black man don't have no bloody glove on his property (pulls out  bloody glove) See, I got one right here, doesn't mean I did anything!". In the WacArnolds sketch Chappelle comes home to his wife to see some black gloves on his refrigerator which causes him to say to his wife "Honey, who you fuckin'? O. J.?".
*In another Chappelle Show sketch, Hollywood Stories, Charlie Murphy retells his experiances with Rick James in an imaginative drugs concept. Murphy walks into a bar and says “…the first thing I see is O. J. Simpson and I'm thinking to myself, ‘Wow that's O. J. Simpson, he has a big motherfuckin' head, man!’”
*South Park parodied Simpson as being a member of a club, whose members included John and Patsy Ramsey and Gary Condit, who accuse "some Puerto Rican guy" of killing the murder victim they are asscociated with. In another episode, Cartman attemps to run away from the police in a white Power Wheels-like "Go Go Action Bronco."
*The band Good Charlotte mocks Simpson in their song Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous in which the lyrics read, Well did you know when you're famous you could kill your wife / And theres no such thing as 25 to life / As long as you got the cash to pay for Cochran.
*Simpson was parodied in a MADtv sketch entitled "O. J. Simpson Bloopers," where Simpson, played by Orlando Jones, had a blooper reel of his statement of innocence.
*The animated film Shrek 2 features "Knights", a spoof of COPS; has a reference to O. J. Simpson and his fleeing from the police with "We've got a white bronco heading east into the forest, requesting aerial backup."
*Reg Reagan made reference to O. J. Simpson at the 2006 MTV Australia Video Music Awards while interviewing Ashlee Simpson, implying that O. J. and Ashlee were related. --Pax:Vobiscum 10:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: *Does anyone know precisely which episodes of the HBO series 1st & Ten O.J. appeared in? The IMDb lists only two, but I believe he appeared in several others between seasons 2 and 6. The entire series is available on DVD. Also, we could use some individual articles on the four TV-movies he produced and starred in between '79 and '83 from his own production company Orenthal Productions, as well a article on the 1973 experimental film Why (incorrectly listed by IMDb as a short), that was financed by Technicolor and apparently never intended for release to the general public.
There are videoclips of Why on this site; http://timbuckleyroom109.homestead.com/Videoclips.html Both that and another early O.J. film are briefly described here http://www.pimpadelicwonderland.com/lost.html 
Is there going to be an addition for the Fox Network Special, "O.J. Simpson: If I Did It, Here's How It Happened"? It is set to air 11/27/06 and 11/29/06.
http://www.fox.com/oj/
That's more of a news media kind of appearance. Filmographies cover the entertainment media.
Actually, that show is classified as entertainment. See If I Did It. Jeffpw 18:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography 

message: Is anyone planning on editting the page to discuss/explain the book Simpson is writing, "If I did It"? Teshiruu 21:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 

message: That pic isn't NPOV at all, with the smile on his face and the baby. It's a passive way of slanting the article.
:The reason used for the picturee (I theorize) is that it is a freely licensed image, which is a pretty strict rule for wiki. If you look lower in the article, you'll see that his mugshot is also used. Jeffpw 14:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that picture, and trust me, I'm not pro-OJ at all. Like Jeffpw said, it's used because it's been freely-licensed, and there aren't a lot of those. If you find a more neutral photo (like, say, one from his football days) that has been released under a free license, please feel free to add it. —Chowbok ☠ 16:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: There is not enough text on his football career. It is all about the trial. The reason the trial was so highly publicized is because he is a Hall of Fame running back!
:I agree. Feel free to add more content to that section. —Chowbok ☠ 22:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football 

message: "Orenthal James Simpson (born July 9, 1947, San Francisco, California, United States) also known by his initials O.J. and his nickname The Juice, is a retired American football player who achieved stardom at the collegiate and professional levels. He is also black "
Is that really necessary?
    Fixed
I second that, cant you see from the picture that he is black. Isnt it common knowledge that he is. I see no purpose in the new, corrected version, of this sentence nor the old one. I vote for a removal.NeoXtremeX 20:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couldn't help but notice... 

message: Does anyone know if Simpson is still looking for the real killers? Jtpaladin 21:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only on the golf course.Zzz345zzZ 22:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would he be looking for himself? Armyrifle 21:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody send him a mirror. That'll help him find the real killers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.203.65.153 (talk) 21:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "real" killers?