Talk:Russians/Archive 1

message: "Russians are characterized by warmth, sincerity, high intelligence, pride, and poor self-esteem" -- Woa, The Russians sound so beautiful and artistic. --Menchi 12:53, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: are characterized. Noone says that it must be true. Nikola 07:30, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: "warmth, sincerity, high intelligence, pride"

message: :Russian-dominated Transnistria separatist region
According to the last census, Transnistria has no Russian majority and they are only the third ethnic group, after Romanians and Ukrainians. They surely dominate the politics of Transnistria, but, the affirmation is not very clear.  bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 08:20, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian-dominated Transnistria 

message: Church attendance: Russia is one of the few European countries with rapidly growing church attendance in contrast to much of Western Europe were religious attendance is in decline.
Former Communist countries including Russia are experiencing a rather dramatic revival of Christianity nowadays; I seriously doubt any surveys that say the opposite based on my personal experience (I visit Russia regularly).
About the Baltics: the language exams are far from being "basic". They are rather complex examinations that include knowledge about national constitutions, history etc. Most native-speakers without secondary education have little chance of passing these kinds of exams. Elderly Russian-speakers or Russians from low-income families with little education have almost ZERO chances of passing them. Compared to standard citizenship exams in let's say Canada or Australia these exams are extremely difficult. That's aside from the fact that nowhere else people who were born and grew up in certain countries are never required to write citizenship exams (regardless of historical reasoning). This practice would be called nothing but discrimination anywhere else. In any case such lengthy paragraph on the Baltic is hardly relevant in the article on ethnic Russians, you should add your comments to "Baltic Russians" article instead.(Fisenko 06:07, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Church attendence + the Baltic states 

message: We are talking here about religious believes of ethnic Russians not religion in Russia. There are virtually no ethnic Russians who are Buddhists, Judaists, or Muslims.
Also very few Russian describe themselves as agnostic or atheists. Most Russians desribe themselves as Orthodox. (Fisenko 16:42, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Please confirm the anon's change in numbers in the following edit:  
: 16:01, 4 July 2005 83.138.50.146 (→Population)
mikka (t) 4 July 2005 23:36 (UTC)
Mr. 65.9.114.141 if you insist what changes you recently made to this page are "facts" please provide your references (links to respectable academic studies etc.)   before you make any changes to the page. Numbers I posted on this page have been taken from https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rs.html and http://www.perepis2002.ru/content.html?id=11&docid=10715289081463 for example. Fisenko 03:13, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Population count

message: 68.215.119.68 please discuss it on talk page before you make any changes to the article , otherwise a complaint to Wikipedia administration will be submitted against you.
Your reference : http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=IBR20050106&articleId=375 is an article from Kavkaz Center - a Chechen terrorist mouthpiece, which is unlikely a credible source for an academic article about ethnic Russians. All my numbers are official estimates from a variety of sources (Russian government, CIA, United Nations etc.) in regards to ethnic Russians. Fisenko 20:19, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see a need for a blatant racism either. If a person registered himself as Russian (ethnic) in a census, he is russian. Times of ethhnic purity are long gone in these time of pupulation mobility and ethnic mixing. mikka (t) 17:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population count + 68.215.119.68 changes 

message: Maybe "many" is not the best word to use for a number of Russians who have atheist/agnostic views, but "some" is even more misleading implying that such number is rather small. The fact is that these views are significantly widespread and even many of those who consider themselves "orthodox" have an agnostic attitude toward religion or view being orthodox as part of their Russian heritage and tradition rather than religious beliefs. Yes, I know that such views towards religion are common among other western nations but I think saying "predominantly orthodox" creates a rather misleading picture. It is correct to say that Orthodox Cristianity is a dominant religion, of course, but is not the same as to say that Russians are predominantly Orthodox. I would love to see some unbiased research on this, but in the meanwhile we should come up with less implying phrasing, I think. --Irpen 19:16, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I like the picture very much! We should clarify the CP status of Sharapova's pic sometime though. As for the rest, I entirely agree with everything you said. I find it hard to believe, though, that 10-15 % of Russians attend church regularly, but it may be me, who's mistaken here. I will change "some" by "many" in the table and we'll see to find some more exact statistics and analysis. Just plain statistics may be not enough though. See, the last paragraph of Ukrainian_language#Independence_in_the_modern_era for an example of possibly misleading statistics. --Irpen 21:33, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Religious views

message: Very funny. Laptyom shchi hlebat... mikka (t) 02:34, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sad but true.  History doesn't lie--Gephart 03:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But those who tell it do. mikka (t) 02:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See this link. Should be add it to talk:Russophobia? :) --Irpen 02:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is generally advisable to take what is shown by Hollywood with a grain of salt. Kazak 00:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted section 

message: Although Russia has been involved in many international conflicts and wars during its tenure hear on the Earth, it has been one of the least sucessful countries in wining major conflicts and battles.  Russia has lost more soldiers in battles than any other country since the foundation of war (smaller countries and past empires numbers are adjusted to represent figures in 2005).  Most of these casualties have to do with the Russians lack of knowledge on how to properly fight battles and conflicts.  Soldiers, at least in wars past, were often send to the front lines without any training, supplies or even weapons.  They were generally sent to the line without weaponry or armourment, only to find that they were going against a highly trained, heavily reinforced, and heavily armoured enemy.  It is well documented that soldiers trying to retreat or failing to obey orders by their superiors were shot on site.  Recent research is beginning to emerge that shows that almost 53.5% of all Russian casualties in wartime or conflict were caused by another Russian.
:Sad but true.  History doesn't lie--Gephart 03:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But those who tell it do. mikka (t) 02:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See this link. Should be add it to talk:Russophobia? :) --Irpen 02:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is generally advisable to take what is shown by Hollywood with a grain of salt. Kazak 00:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian Warriors