Talk:Dartmouth College/Archive 1

message: I think this talk page should really be cleaned up.  There's a lot of threads here that no one has added to in years and/or no longer have relevance.  Thoughts?  Nicolasdz 08:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaner Page

message: I'm going for an interview with an Dartmouth alum tomorrow. Any tips? What kind of good things or interesting stuff should I say about Dartmouth?
:I'm a Dartmouth student (class of 2008), feel free to e-mail me (go to my user page and 'Email this user') with any questions about interviews, general Dartmouth stuffs, etc. However, the talk page on Wikipedia here is not the forum to ask. I reverted the garbage that other users have put on here in reply (and arguably, in vandalism). --└ Smith120bh/TALK ┐ 03:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interview

message: I'd like to get this article cleaned up to FA status.--AaronS 01:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review

message: How about discussion of religious affiliation?
:What religious affiliation?  Dartmouth doesn't have one now, but do you mean the religious affiliations of the college founder?
::Oh, I was just aware that at one time it had a religious affiliation because some famous person (whose name escapes me at the moment) jokingly blamed his dismissal from the university on his skipping mandatory religious services. Kent Wang 22:28, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: lots of colleges without religious affiliations used to have mandatory chapel. Doops 12:56, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: When did it officially stop being Congregational? Dpbsmith (talk) 00:33, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Dartmouth certainly predates the existence of the organization called the Congregational church; but when it was founded, it was certainly part and parcel of the whole New England puritan establishment, which over the course of time became the Congregational Church (today merged in the UCC). So at no time was it anything like the various colleges founded in the 19th century by various organized churches and run by them — but it was certainly de facto Puritan; and then Congregationalist; and then, gradually, nothing at all. I doubt that we could pick any one date. In some sense, it never had a formal affiliation with the Congregational church (and I doubt whether it ever had any religious test for entry, even in the early theocratic days); in another sense, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that, to this day, a Congregationalist minister is always hired to run the college chapel, for the sake of tradition. Doops 05:45, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Religious affiliation

message: This page needs a decent picture -- the green, the library, Dartmouth Hall. –– wwoods 08:19, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, do you have any? Best solution to otherwise-complicated copyright and rights issues is for a contributor takes the photo him- or herself. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:11, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added a photo of the Baker library on 18 June 2004 after this request was made.  -Redjar 12:58, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: "In 1904, the Earl of Dartmouth his companion, visited the campus on Dartmouth Night with the young Winston Churchill, and marched around the Green with the students."
;Which Earl--the then-Earl, or the future 7th Earl?
;—wwoods 00:27, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Dartmouth Night

message: Please, can some "wired" DC fellow figure out how to merge those articles, like the two swimming ones that are now cleaned up, and how to capitalize the title "C" in college on one of them?  Thanks.Sfahey 20:59, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: Just some personal checks on the various English translations of the Dartmouth motto in the bible.
* King James:
** Isiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness
** Matthew 3:3/Mark1:3/Luke3:4  The voice of one crying in the wilderness
** John 1:23 I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness
* English Standard:
** Isiah 40:3  A voice cries: "In the wilderness...
** Matthew 3:3/Mark1:3/Luke3:4   The voice of one crying in the wilderness
** John 1:23 I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness
* New International:
** Isiah 40:3 A voice of one calling: "In the desert...
** Matthew 3:3/Mark1:3/Luke3:4  A voice of one calling in the desert
** John 1:23 I am the voice of one calling in the desert
----
On a page on the Dartmouth website, I came across this:
:The College motto ("a voice crying out in the wilderness") comes from the 40th chapter of
:the Book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. The "voice" represents the voice of religion in 
:the darkness of the unsettled wilderness. Eleazar selected this motto because he
:considered the primary  mission of his school to be teaching the natives about
:Christianity. 
I think maybe that is the translation that should appear in the article.--Osprey39 19:06, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Motto 

message: I've snipped the amusing-if-true-but-I-don't-believe-it story:
:It was originally called The Rock, but then spokespeople for the Rockefellers asked that the center not be referred to as The Rock. Soon, it was called The John. Naturally, not wanting the center to be named after the potty, the Rockefellers allowed the place to be called The Rock.
This is interesting if true, but needs attribution/citation. Anyone wishing to reinsert it: please provide some verifiable source for this information. And please provide evidence that it is generally called "The Rock," not "Rocky," as earlier revisions stated. (The original source for the "Rocky" nickname was the original article, contributed during a Dartmouth CS class exercise and hence presumably the work of a Dartmouth student).
My initial reaction is that it is believable that "spokespeople for the Rockefellers asked that the center not be referred to as The Rock." But the remainder of the story sounds more like a proposal, a joke, an invention, or a legend, and that I doubt whether the Rockefellers actually would have officially changed their mind.
But I question whether it is even called "The Rock."
It's noticeable that the website for the Hopkins Center makes a point of calling it "The Hop" but the website for the Rockefeller says nothing whatsoever about "The Rock." 
Google site search on site:www.dartmouth.edu "The Rock" does not show any hits referring to the Rockefeller Center. 
On the other hand, the site's actual URL is http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rocky and this schedule for meetings of a faculty web users' group http://www.dartmouth.edu/~wug/agendas/032000.html refers to the meetiing place as "Rocky 1930." These strongly suggests to me that the place is informally called "Rocky," not "The Rock." Dpbsmith (talk) 10:57, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rocky vs The Rock;" "The Rock/The John" 

message: What do the regular maintainers of this article think of proposing it as a featured article? Masterhomer 20:33, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article? 

message: I don't really think this belongs in the article, but it made me smile and I thought I'd share it. 
Tears of the Giraffe is the second in a series of novels by Alexander McCall Smith, the first being The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency. They are set in Gaborone, Botswana and feature an engaging, vaguely-Miss-Marple-like self-taught detective named Precious Ramotswe. In the novel, an American client comes to Mma. Ramotswe, and, in describing her problem says:
:We came out here with our son, Michael, who was then just eighteen. He had been due to go to college that year, but we decided that he could have a year out with us before he started at Dartmouth. That's a very good college in America, Mma. Some of our colleges are not very good at all, but that one is one of the best. We were proud that he had a place there. 
Dpbsmith (talk) 00:09, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dartmouth, Alexander McCall Smith, and Gaborone... 

message: The other day, I listed "Keggy the Keg" as our (Dartmouth's) mascot and provided a link for him. Somebody named dpdsmith took it down and claimed that it was a "one time only joke mascot created by a campus humor magazine." While Keggy the Keg was created by Dartmouth's humor magazine, he is in fact the mascot of Dartmouth College.  Keggy was conceived partially out of the student body’s growing disgust by the ever increasing ineptitude of the current college administration and it’s over zealous attempts to ban and censor anything and everything that could possibly offend anyone. Keggy is by no means a “one time only joke.” He made his debut at the homecoming football game of ’03 and since has attended almost every football game and most hockey games.  Students all over campus can be seen sporting the attractive Keggy T-shirts which depict the lovable fellow drinking from his own tap and have the words “Get Pumped,” and “Go Kegs” written on them.  Further evidence of Keggy’s legitimacy can be seen by that fact that snow sculpture for the most recent Dartmouth Winter Carnival (’05) was an enormous pirate ship which was christened “Captain Keggy’s Carnival Cruiser” by the student assembly based on a vote of the student body.
While Keggy may not be recognized as the official mascot by perversely politically correct and out-of-touch-with-reality administrators, Keggy instantly reached iconic status at his first homecoming game, and has since found a permanent place in the hearts of the sons and daughters of Dartmouth.
*Well, if Keggy the Keg is an important facet of student culture, put something appropriate the text of the article, being sure to include an accurate statement of Keggy's unofficial status. But keep it out of the summary box. http://athletics.dartmouth.edu/aboutdart/nickname.html says plainly that the athletic teams' nickname is "Big Green" and that currently Dartmouth athletic teams have no "tangible mascot, symbol or nickname." Two possibilities: a very brief mention after the sentence "The teams' former mascot, the Dartmouth Indian, no longer is used." How about "Since 2003, Dartmouth events have been attended by Keggy the Keg, a subversive and unofficial mascot, invented by the campus humor magazine and beloved by students, though denied by officials?"  Or if Keggy is truly significant, perhaps a short paragraph or section in the Student Life section. Be sure to maintain a neutral point of view. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:55, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mascot 

message: Watchers of this page should see this poll about whether this page should contain a phrase like "widely considered one of the most prestigious universities in the world". Nohat 15:47, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "prestige" comment 

message: There are two sections on the Dartmouth Film Society. One seems to be considerably longer than the other. I think the two can be reconciled.--Osprey39 19:08, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dartmouth Film Society 

message: I just deleted AaronS's edits in which he claims that a disproportionately large proportion of Dartmouth alums go into businees as opposed to politics. As "proof" he gives an unsourced percentage and compares this with the high percentage of international relations majors at Georgetown. He goes on to similarly compare Dartmouth to MIT, Amherst, Brown, etc.  Comparaisons with other schools on such statistics are not appropriate for the lead paragraph of an article on Dartmouth. If anyone wants to make another section on "measures of superiority" or whatever, fine, but at least source the stats and avoid irrelevant information (like the concentration of IR majors at Georgetown, music majors at Oberlin, sports marketing majors at springfield community college, etc)
:That wasn't my edit, dumb-dumb. --AaronS 04:26, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison with other schools 

message: A statement that
:Indeed, of all the schools in the Ivy League, Dartmouth is perhaps the only one that emphasizes its undergraduate program over its graduate schools.
was recently changed to:
:Of Ivy League universities, Dartmouth, along with Brown and Princeton, emphasizes its undergraduate program over its graduate schools.
I'm not happy with either of these statements resting solely on the authority of the contributor. I think they should be backed up with good source citation... a quotation from the school's catalog or admissions department or some well-known guide to colleges, or something like that.
If nobody comes up with some kind of verifiable source for this statement—in either form—I think it should be removed. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:56, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "emphasizes its undergraduate program over its graduate schools" 

message: Hi. As is explained above, over the last few years the wikipedia has seen a lot of small, arguably non-notable articles on facets of Dartmouth life. Most of them get VfD'd and their content gets merged into this page. This has led to a Dartmouth College page full of a gazillion little sections on individual facets of Dartmouth life. 
It seems to me that this is getting out of hand and this page is getting hard to use because of it. There should be a happy medium: each club doesn't warrant its own page, but the Dartmouth College article shouldn't be burdened with so many little largely unconnected nuggets. A deletionist might argue for paring all that info out of the wikipedia altogether; but it seems much more friendly, respectful, and ultimately useful to simply spin it off elsewhere. To hold all this information, why not create these subpages: student organizations at Dartmouth and athletics at Dartmouth? Then this main Dartmouth College page could have brief summaries on these two subjects with the usual Main article: student organizations at Dartmouth pointer at the head of the appropriate § (in the same way that, e.g., most country articles deal with that country's history). Thoughts? Doops |  talk 12:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, why has this not drawn any comment, one way or the other? Shall I just assume there's no objection? Doops |  talk 04:41, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw your comment, thought it sounded reasonable, sort of wanted to wait for Peter Wayner's 2005 class exercise to finish before getting into it. The Dartmouth article is now 46K so some kind of breakout is reasonable. I might have preferred a single breakout page with a title like Dartmouth College student life, but if you're actually going to do real work on this than it's your call. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I finally got around to doing this. There are now two spin-off pages, Dartmouth College student groups and Dartmouth College athletic teams. Please visit, develop, and enrich these pages. Doops |  talk 04:29, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy medium between one catch-all and lotsa nuggets 

message: Contributors to this page may be interested in this article, which has been proposed for deletion:
Midwestern Ivy League
Please review the article and provide your input on that article's Votes for Deletion page. - 18.95.1.22 04:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Midwestern Ivy League" ? 

message: I'm a student at Dartmouth right now, and that comment about how Dartmouth students most identify with their clusters is nonsense.  No one goes around saying "I'm a Gold Coaster."  The only possible exceptions are the River, East Wheelock, and the Choates, but that sentence should still be changed and replaced with a more accurate description of what the dorm situation actually is.  Nicolasdz 08:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Housing Clusters 

message: So, I found the "Most Enduring Institutions" report on the Booz Allen Hamilton website and created a refernce in the first paragraph to it, but I'm not exactly sure how to cite the report in the "References" section at the bottom of the page.  Can someone more familiar with Wiki than me help me out?
Thanks, Nicolasdz 07:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with Booz Allan Hamilton link? 

message: All discussion prior to 22 February 2006 has been moved to Talk:Dartmouth College/Archive 1. Replaced "good article" and "old peer review" banners here. Please continue/create any new discussion here, and start all new discussions at the bottom of this page. --└ Smith120bh/TALK ┐ 01:54, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive

message: The evil designs of the dreaded Wright administration have not even spared Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dartmouth_pong. --AaronS 02:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Phew! Kept. But wait 'til Jimmy W. and his jack-booted thugs try and take out Keggy the Keg. Kane5187 00:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dartmouth pong article being voted for deletion

message: I removed the added paragraph on the AD raid. Fraternities get into legal trouble all the time (see Boston Globe article, which mentions at the end the charges to befall Theta Delt and Zete). I realize that this is in the news right now, but it doesn't seem worthy of full, paragraph-length inclusion on the article for the entire College -- this is unlikely to become a particularly memorable event in its 240-year history. I'd say it might belong at Dartmouth College Greek organizations, and, if Alpha Delta had its own article (like other Dartmouth houses -- see :Category:Dartmouth College Greek organizations), it belongs there.
But not here. So I'm removing it. Kane5187 02:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AD Raid 

message: You never mentioned in the article that Theodore Geisel, otherwise known as Dr. Suess, went to this college. As of the year 2004, there were school sports teams named after a myriad of Dr. Suess charecters.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.195.133.53 (talk • contribs) 11:11, June 16, 2006
:It's mentioned at Dartmouth College#Alumni. Kane5187 23:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Suess 

message: I've proposed a move from Dartmouth Jack O'Lantern to Dartmouth Jack-O-Lantern, because the Jacko's official website doesn't use the apostrophe anywhere on its pages, and seems to prefer instead the hyphenated form.
The reason why I bring this up here is because I proposed this move several days ago, and still no one has weighed in. I'm guessing that the Jacko's Wikipedia article isn't well-traveled enough to bring in a lot of commentators on this issue. If you could read the proposal at Talk:Dartmouth Jack O'Lantern and then make a recommendation, it would help clear up the proposal and not leave it at a standstill for time unknown. Thanks! Kane5187 01:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting input on name change at [[Dartmouth Jack O'Lantern]] 

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thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: I just added the proof of "pioneering" VoIP and other technologies in the Tech section. However, the article text is getting increasingly cumbersome to sift thorough, it's be great if someone can place applicable pictures in this article, especially considering its length. The "featured article" schools (Duke, MU, etc.) have tons of pics. —DMCer 15:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So nobody's going to upload more? It's a shame the pictures just cease before the article even starts.DMCer 09:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a couple, but they mostly aren't real awesome. I'll try to take some good ones when I'm next in Hanover. Kane5187 10:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic! Thanks for getting on that, it was a nice surprise. DMCer 07:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I've taken a lot of photos around campus, though haven't really had time to look through for Wikipedia ones (really busy term here). They're all on my Flickr site, though, if anyone else wants to take a look. They're technically copyrighted by me on there, but I'm happy putting individual photos into the public domain for Wikipedia purposes. --└ Smith120bh/TALK ┐ 07:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've almost given up on recruiting pictures (I'd do it, but have no camera/lack skill).  The article gets a bit dry after the cluster of pics on the History section; if anyone can add campus images to the rest of the article, it would add to it greatly. The Dartmouth Hall image could also use some brightening. Thanks. DMCer 22:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm on campus, so I'll be able to take pictures -- hopefully in the upcoming weekend. Kane5187 22:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tech citations fixed, more images! 

message: I removed the FAR tag and removed the listing from WP:FAR; FAR is for review of current featured articles.  To attain featured article status, the nomination should be made at WP:FAC.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having browsed the article now, I suggest that WP:PR would be a better place to start.  The peer review listed is quite old, and the article doesn't appear ready for FAC.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the correction, I blame fatigue..DMCer 19:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed FAR tag

message: This article never introduces the Green as being a central part of campus, both physically and otherwise. (the article does refer to it, however, such as when discussing snow sculptures built on the Green). I think it should be somewhere near the top of the article, if not in the opening section. I also think the Green should at some point get an article of its own (Harvard Yard has one).Bonus Onus 20:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there ought to be a page on the campus/college's land owning in general (the second college grant, architectural guidelines set by the trustees, relations with Hanover, etc. could all go here). Miles 04:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Bingo! The Green (Dartmouth College) and List of Dartmouth College buildings. Kane5187 21:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Green 

message: :Image:Dartseal.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dartseal.gif

message: For the article to maintain its GA status, the logos need detailed fair use rationales. Look to other passed GA/FAs for examples. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions. --Nehrams2020 06:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA comment

message: I just uploaded 225 images of the campus and the athletic facilities to Wikimedia Commons, available under the Dartmouth College category heading. Because the file names are really long, it might be easier to sift through them from the list from All Pages, available here:  Some of them are kind of shitty pics (e.g. the photos of Sigma Delt) because of foliage blocking a good view of the building in question. 
I got photos of all the major fraternities/sororities/coeds, academic buildings, and dorms, excepting:
*The pool in the Alumni Gym
*The Aquinas House
*Ledyard Canoe Club and other riverside buildings
*The River dorms - French, Judge, Channing Cox, and Maxwell
*Dick's House
*Leverone Field House
*Thompson Arena
Anyway, point is, they're uploaded to the Commons, so feel free to incorporate them into this article, Dartmouth College residential communities, Dartmouth College Greek organizations, etc., etc. Kane5187 21:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wohoo! Images! 

message: Should there be a link to the Dartmouth Pong article anywhere in this?  It's not in the Greek Life article or the Student Life article.-DMCer 20:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pong? 

message: Last time I checked, we had two peer reviews at the top of the page... Also, the "Athletics" section was cited as being poorly sourced, I'll work on some of this-DMCer 20:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the peer review? 

message: I just stumbled across an interesting article about Dartmouth on the Time website, dated 1962.. It says of the academic system:
:Three-Three Schedule. Dartmouth's most dazzling innovations are for undergraduates, who now come from all 50 states and 30 foreign countries, are 75% public school products, and generally fit Admissions Director Edward Chamberlain Jr.'s edict: "It's not how well-rounded they are; it's the length of their radii we're interested in." To stretch radii, Dartmouth has pioneered a "three-three" schedule—a three-term academic year with only three courses per term. Since the goal is to probe subjects more deeply, the work is a lot harder.
So, Dartmouth had a quarter system in 1962? I always thought coeducation in 1972 to be the progenitor of the quarter-system and the D-Plan. I imagine that the formal D-plan with sophomore summer and all does date from the '70s, but I figured that prior to that, it was out-and-out semesters. Anyone have any other information on this? Kane5187 11:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 1972 and coeducation brought about *year-round operation* - prior to that (I don't know for how long), there was a trimester system with fall, winter, and spring terms, and you were required to attend all three terms. The early 70s brought about 4 quarters and the D-plan system of choosing which terms you wanted to be on during. I have some books checked out that I'm sure have info that can be cited on this - poke me if you want some hard facts for any of the articles on here. --└ Smith120bh/TALK ┐ 20:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I can confirm 1972 as the start of the Dartmouth Plan from memory, but better still: here's a link to a news article in the Portsmouth Herald, dated 1972, confirming that the Dartmouth Plan/year-round operation was "new" at that time.    Unfortunately the full text is in a pay site.  I didn't realize/remember that Dartmouth had a trimester system before the Dartmouth Plan, but it makes sense.  It would have been very, very difficult to transition from semesters into both trimester-length courses and year-round operation simultaneously.  On another note, I just browsed around the Dartmouth web site a bit, and they've really buried information about year-round-operation.  I found nothing at all about it.  It almost seems as if they're embarassed by it and don't want prospective students to know about it!  Back in my day (class of '82), it was something they actively promoted as an advantage over other schools.  Another thing of note: when the D-Plan was introduced, the graduation requirement was 33 credits, so 11 terms at a three course load.  That would have been a reduction from 36 credits on the trimester system.  Now the requirement is 35 credits. Rhsatrhs 02:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time article and the D-Plan 

message: Now that this article is an FA, it is eligible to appear on the Main Page. Per Wikipedia:Today's featured article, a blurb from the lead needs to be extracted from it and proposed up to a month in advance of the desired date. The only real date associated with the College is December 13, the date it was founded, so I figure we can nominate it to appear on that date in 2007.
I'm writing here just to let everyone know that I will be / am working on the blurb here: Talk:Dartmouth College/TFA request and wanted to make it open to revision for all. Kane5187 01:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dartmouth College on the Main Page 

message: This is to let editors of this page know that Dartmouth College student groups has been nominated for deletion. You can view the discussion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dartmouth College student groups. Cheers, Doops |  talk 16:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD 

message: Homecoming was this weekend, and they open up Baker Library's bell tower for it, and so I went up and snapped some photos. It was hard to get a concrete subject (i.e. rather than randomly picturing a slice of campus), but here are some of the better ones:
*:Image:Dartmouth College campus 2007-10-20 09.JPG
*:Image:Dartmouth College campus 2007-10-20 10.JPG
*:Image:Dartmouth College campus 2007-10-20 45.JPG
*:Image:Dartmouth College campus 2007-10-21 36, crop 1.jpg
I put them all in the public domain, so feel free to use to illustrate whatever. Kane5187 20:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More images 

message: I've nominated The Green (Dartmouth College) for Featured Article. If you're interested, the nomination page is here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Green (Dartmouth College). Kane5187 07:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA nomination for [[The Green (Dartmouth College)]] 

message: The article formerly stated: "Occom became an ordained minister under Wheelock’s tutelage from 1743 to 1747, returning to his people on Long Island to preach."
Actually, Occom did not become an ordained minister until 1759, a delay that has been blamed on Wheelock.  And Occom was a Mohegon from Connecticut who went to preach to the Montauks on Long Island, people who were not "his people" unless you consider all Indians "his people."
:--Dartmothian (talk) 20:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the fixes. The term "his people" was borrowed from the citation, which does indeed identify them as Montauks but nevertheless as "his people." Kane5187 (talk) 21:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occom clarification 

message: "Prior to this period, the College was 'little more than a finishing school,' relatively unknown, and poorly funded" says the article.  The only source for the quotation is an undergraduate-written article in the Dartmouth Review.  That source is not sufficiently reliable to support this (mis-)characterization of Dartmouth during the nineteenth century.  Although everyone agrees that the college did decline during the middle of the period, the characterization as a "finishing school" really is uncommon or even unique to the Review.  This is not a widely-used or accurate description, in other words.  Isn't a "finishing school" typically a component of women's education anyway?
:--Dartmothian (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, in my experience, student publications (daily newspapers and other serious productions) are generally accepted as reliable sources. In this context, it seems to me that "finishing school" is merely an editorial summation of the next two more specific descriptions: "relatively unknown" and "poorly funded." If these facts are backed up in multiple sources, that's really what's important and central to the assertion. I don't think "finishing school" inappropriate, but if you feel it should be removed, the sentence can simply be shortened to "Prior to this period, the College was relatively unknown and poorly funded." Kane5187 (talk) 20:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Finishing School.  The definition clearly does not fit in this context.  Rhsatrhs (talk) 23:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "finishing school" comment should go