Talk:Kerosene

message: The Mantle is described as being above the wick so the heat of the flame heats the mantle. Perhaps there are lamps like this but it sounds very doubtful. What is being (badly) described is the pressure lantern, where the mantle completely replaces the wick and glows due to super-heated gases burning at the surface of the mantle. I think the use and operation of the Pressure Lantern is of sufficient interest to warrants its own page.  Gutta Percha (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The description of a Mantle 

message: Melting point, boiling point, vapor pressure for starters. Viscosity, solubility (and solving properties) would be really important. Perhaps mention the properties of some of the components, like decane etc.
213.243.137.56 (talk) 06:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article lacking in physical/chemical properties 

message: What is the generated heat (J/kg) obtained by the burning of kerosene in air?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Damas (talk • contribs) 01:27, 28 March 2002  
:Answer - Energy Density depends on the grade and source.. Should be similar to these figures
Diesel	 10942Wh/l 	13762Wh/kg	
Gasoline 9,700 Wh/l  	12,200 Wh/kg
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.245.153.165 (talk) 16:14-:27, 7 February 2006 
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What is the use of mixing kerosene and styrene and heat for 45 - 60 minutes at 150 degree celcius?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.21.154.11& 165.21.154.12 (talk) 16:31, 22 September 2004 
think.Gaviidae 13:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chemical property questions

message: This section seemed too speculative and open to argument to include. No doubt al-Razi distilled something from petroleum, but to conclude that it was kerosene and not one of the multitude of other petroleum distillates is perhaps going too far.
* Kerosene was first described by al-Razi (Rhazes) as a distillation of petroleum in 9th-century Baghdad. In his Kitab al-Asrar (Book of Secrets), he described two methods for the production of kerosene. One method involved using clay as an absorbent, whereas the other method involved using ammonium chloride (sal ammoniac).Zayn Bilkadi (University of California, Berkeley), "The Oil Weapons", Saudi Aramco World, January-February 1995, p. 20-27.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.44.35 (talk) 19:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the problem with this being "speculative", given that it's also referenced by something we can reasonably take as WP:RS? In the absence of some positive indication to the contrary, I fail to see why we should question it. Petroleum distillates are cited in several texts of this period (usually for warfare) and we know that distillation was practised in Baghdad of this period. Now the "naptha" or "kerosene" produced isn't of a precisely known grade, but kerosene has always been a broad term and there's no reason to assume this falls outside it.
The article itself defines kerosene specifically: "Kerosene is a thin, clear liquid formed from hydrocarbons, with density of 0.78-0.81g/cm3. Kerosene is obtained from the fractional distillation of petroleum between 150 °C and 275 °C, resulting in a mixture of carbon chains containing 12 to 15 carbon atoms." My question is, is there any evidence that al-Razi's distillate was this particular one, rather than some other petroleum distillate? If not, it would be more accurate to say that al-Razi developed petroleum distillates, rather than that he discovered  or "described" kerosene.156.34.35.27 (talk) 19:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kitab al-Asrar

message: *The article makes no mention that many people in the US and perhaps Canada use it for heating in homes. K-1 is a term for undyed, untaxed Kerosene in the US. We use to heat our home workshop.--Dakota t e 08:54, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage questions

message: Is there a wikipedia policy about dubious medical advice? Although I found a reference on the Anthelmintic page to kerosene being used to purge intestinal worms in some army field manual reprint, I strongly suspect that most of the medical community would say that ingesting kerosene under any circumstances is likely to cause more harm than good... for now, I'm leaving the reference with the link so people can at least see the reference.--Montyy0 03:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that, and I confess that I reinstated the remark.  I sit here now and wonder if that should be kept.  It is a fact, it is used in such a way (I know the story from my grandfather, it was used as a 'medicine' against some strange diseases), and yes, kerosine is not a healthy compound.  I know there are templates on the medical pages to warn people not taking these things for 'normal', maybe that should be used here.  Or otherwise a serious rephrase of the sentence.  --Dirk Beetstra T C 16:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The liquid paraffin used for medical purposes is quite different from kerosene.  I have added a page Liquid paraffin (medicinal) with a link to a safety data sheet. Biscuittin 21:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'medical' advice

message: What about mentioning the use of kerosene in internal combustion engines?  I've heard that back in the 20s and 30s many tractors were started using a small tank of gasoline, and once the engine was warm they'd switch to the main kerosene tank.  This was done because kerosene was cheaper than gasoline in those days.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.160.175 (talk) 03:52, 28 September 2006 
: They were apparently just using kerosene like regular diesel.  People running home-made biodiesel, without anti-gelling agents, also start on regular diesel or gasoline if they can, then switch to BD (regular pump diesel no longer needs the warmed engine because of anti-coagulants, except where it gets cold (you'll see the plugs to electrically heat the fuel pans sticking out of the grills then).Gaviidae 13:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some of those electrical connectors are engine-block heaters, tho, for literally warming up the engine before starting it. --Jerzy•t 05:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kero as engine fuel 

message: In the article Nigeria runs out of jet fuel it talks of dual-purpose kerosene (DPK). What is this ? Wizzy…☎ 08:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dual-purpose kerosene

message: Disagree - If RP-1 is to be merged into kerosene, then jet fuel must also.  The differences between Kerosene and RP-1 are just as few as the differences between Kero and Jet Fuel.
Personally I'd rather they stay seperate, or, at least have the redirection take the wikier down to the part of the page that specifically addresses RP-1.Gaviidae 13:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge of [[RP-1]] into kerosene

message: I don't agree with the statement that kerosene is dark blue.  I believe it's initially clear but, in the UK, a dye is added to "domestic paraffin" before sale.  This is usually blue but, in the past, different oil companies used different colours, e.g. Esso blue, Aladdin pink (from Shell) and I think Regent/Texaco used green. Biscuittin 18:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've commented out the "dark blue" phrase. --Trovatore 21:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: That's correct. Kerosene is currently a pale yellow colour- as a result of the marker dyes added to it to ensure it's not used for fuelling on-road vehicles without the payment of appropriate duty. I would like to add a bit about this to the existing article- perhaps as a new paragraph on "kerosene use in the UK" or similar as it would appear that the UK and Ireland use it disproportionately in comparison with other developed nations.IrishPete 21:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colour 

message: I would like to suggest that the paragraphs on heating and lighting be incorporated under one paragraph- possibly with the heading "Domestic use" with statements that have been made consolidated under this heading by geographic region; similarly consolidate "transportation" and "other uses" under a further heading of "commercial use" where possible- there would probably still be a much reduced "other uses" section. I'm happy to rewrite these parts of the article and possibly expand and add references as long as people are happy for me to do that.IrishPete 21:45, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested alterations for the article  

message: I'm surprised nobody's noticed the badly-written section on Sri Lanka — it was added by 91.104.4.48 in late July (*.orangehomedsl.co.uk, diff). I've removed bits already mentioned in other sections, and moved it to the end, but I don't know if the paragraph should be there at all. ⇌Elektron 18:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Sri Lanka 

message: Why don't we have the chemical formula anywhere on the aricle page?--§ Eloc § 23:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, after reserching around on Google, I found out it's C14H30. I'll add it to the article.--§ Eloc § 23:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chemical Formula 

message: Kerosene is usually defined as a mixture of aliphatic compounds ranging from approximately C12 to C15. So why does it have such a strong odor? If you have ever smelled pure compounds in this range, such as dodecane, they are nearly odorless. Heavier petroleum distillates like mineral oil are pretty much odorless too. But kerosene has a strong, fairly distinct odor. Does kerosene's odor come from other types of chemicals, like naphtha or benzene? If so, is it possible to buy "pure" kerosene with all of those things removed? Deepfryer99 (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chemistry Question: Why does Kerosene smell bad? 

message: This sourced statement in the article appears to be referencing something else besides "kerosene", since it apparently wasn't available until the middle 1800s:  "The first kerosene lamp was described by al-Razi (Rhazes) in 9th century Baghdad, who referred to it as the "naffatah" in his Kitab al-Asrar (Book of Secrets)." Piano non troppo (talk) 22:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Source not using kerosene in same sense as article?

message: This isn't directly connected with Kerosene but this section suggests that methanol is used indoors as a substitute, which is false.  Ethanol or propanol is used indoors since methanol is entirely too toxic.  Out of the latter, propanol would be the fuel of choice since it gives a slightly brighter flame despite it being also slightly more toxic than ethanol.
I can't find any citations for this, but I do know in the fire-spinning community methanol is frowned upon.  Could anyone help provide support?
Swampedalive (talk) 15:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard of methanol being used in this context, probably because it's not easily available. Methylated spirit (mostly ethanol/methanol mix) is easily available (more easily than kerosene, at least in the UK). Although this surely gets "used" sometimes, simply "because it's there" and there is some vague agreement that it's too toxic to use (by people who aren't especially concerned with such things), the reason it's not used and kerosene (or similar compounds) is sought out instead is simply that the flame isn't visible enough. You need a yellow flame (i.e. sooty), not just blue. Meths is great for cooking on, poor for juggling. What's the point in juggling it if no-one can see you do it? It's also very easy to burn yourself on a meths flame - you can't see where it it. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural/Performance Art

message: You may wish to reconsider the statement that kerosene was considered  "explosive as gunpowder." .   While this may indeed have been the case a study of kerosene explosions shows that in the early days it was the adulteration of kerosene with gasoline that lead to explosions.    This was helped by the fact that there was no market for gasoline as this period was before cars were commonplace.   The fact is that kerosene is known as being very safe and has a flash point of 100 degrees as compared to a flash point for gasoline of minus 40.  
Arydberg (talk) 18:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a ref from 1873 which states, "The vapor of this substance [kerosene] mixed with air is as explosive as gunpowder." Salmanazar (talk) 23:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I just found it interesting that some people in the 19th century really did consider kerosene/air vapour to be dangerously explosive; as you say, it may well have been mixed or adulterated with other, more volatile hydrocarbons, such as gasoline. If you have a reference for adulteration with gasoline I'll reword that section of the article to mention it. Salmanazar (talk) 16:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Oh, I actually meant a reference for 19th century adulteration with gasoline. As you'll see, I found a reference specifically mentioning benzene as a common adulterant during that period on account of its relative cheapness, so I am pretty sure all manner of cheaper hydrocarbons were mixed in at one time or other, with hazardous consequences. Salmanazar (talk) 14:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:   "explosive as gunpowder." 

message: The following quote from the article is very misleading.....
"C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) → 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); ∆H˚ = -7513 kJ
The reaction generates an average 1.62 x 1011 watts (J/s) or 217 million horsepower[16]." 
How can 217 million HP be an average without a statement of quantity?  Is this 217 million HP per molecule?  I recommend removing the last sentence detailing 217 million HP, and will do so if there is no dissent.208.254.130.235 (talk) 18:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: How Many HP?

message: Why is there no mention of the flash-point of kerosene (in °C/°F)? Trumpy (talk) 09:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the info. Wizard191 (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Flash-point?

message: "Ingestion of kerosene is harmful or fatal"
Surely this is too vague, ingestion of anything can be harmful or fatal.  It requires some data and exposure limits to be meaningful. Mtpaley (talk) 00:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toxicity 

message: In the USA, red dyed kerosene is sold in metal gallon cans for use in wick type heaters. The price is so ridiculously high for this in some areas that it's impossible to give away a kerosene heater. The same cans of red kerosene in the mid 90's were quite affordable, cheap enough that many people around where I live were using several kerosene heaters in their houses instead of any other type of heating. Bizzybody (talk) 08:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red kerosene 

message: Does anyone know how to determine the price of C2 burning oil (used for domestic heating) on the commodities markets? I found that "KSG11.NYM" is "Singapore Jet Kerosene Swap" which is the nearest I can find to the price. I've an interest in how the wholesale price of the oil compares to the price consumers of oil pay. In 2010 there was an approximately 70% increase in the cost of domestic heating oil. Many believe the companies distributing the oil are acting as a cartel, and the Monopolies commission have been consulted about this. Here's one MP's take on it http://www.alistaircarmichael.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140&catid=1&Itemid=72 
I assume the price should depend to a large extent on what its distilled from, but again have no idea.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.42.15 (talk) 21:44, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price on commodities markets 

message: what is typical shelf life of k-1 kerosene?
what is typical storage life of k-1 kerosene?
does k-1 kerosene go stale (does it expire)?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.51.144.118 (talk) 11:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Commenting as it still appears to be missing from the article.  It typically can be stored for decades and will remain stable (unlike gasoline without special treatments and unlike vegetable oils that will go rancid).  I've not looked yet but am sure sources can be found.  —PaleoNeonate – 23:23, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  shelf life / storage life / expiration date / does it go stale 

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message: Can anyone specify approximate composition? Thanks. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 14:25, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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