Talk:Order of Assassins

message: The reference to "chaos theories" in the history section is either vandalism or a mistake. Perhaps someone meant "conspiracy theories", but in that case a reference is needed.
comment added by 19 April 2008 by user Lee Sawyer
:A possibly garbled reference to Chaos Magic, however: the apocryphal Hassan i Sabah quotation,Nothing is true; everything is permitted being a virtual "canonical text" of Discordianism, and hence of albeit ironic inspiration to Chaotes.
:Nuttyskin (talk) 22:38, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Chaos Theory??

message: I also suggest checking out Farhad Daftary's "The Assassin Legends: Myths of the Ismailies" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 23:07, 8 May 2005 (talk • contribs) 69.156.153.207
The History of the Irish Republican Brotherhood. SalahMagnifiqueSherlockFBI (talk) 14:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also check out 

message: Much has been written about the error in considering "Cannabis Users" as the root for assassins.
Consider this alternative: A French, (crusader lingua franca!) slightly inaccurate, rendering of the master's name, "'Assan Sabah",
fading out towards the end.SBader (talk) 22:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: But they were already called Hashshashin (or similar) in Arabic before the crusaders had a word for them. The crusaders definitely borrowed the word from Arabic, not the other way around. Adam Bishop (talk) 01:05, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  In addition to what  pointed out, you need to consider WP:DUEWEIGHT: meaning an article's topic may have multiple opinions or findings, and they should be represented in proportion. Even if its wrong because we'll never know–we need to back it up according to the citations. Only WP:FRINGETHEORY are the exception. DA1 (talk) 22:35, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  An alternative derivation 

message: The etymology of the word "assassin" is disputed and we should cover it in a separate section, probably the first section of the article, and therefore avoid populating the lead section. --Z 06:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The etymology in the lead 

message: Are there actually any sources that use the term "Order of Assassins"? I can see some Google results for that but nothing seems particularly reliable. Why are we using it? Adam Bishop (talk) 19:37, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know how I missed this RM. I totally agree. Rather embarrassing, really, that nobody cared to ask if the proposed new title were, y'know, actually used. Brill uses Ḥashīshiyya. What do you think about that? Srnec (talk) 19:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

text: Marshall Hodgson's book is titled Order of Assassins and it's RS. The majority of more recent RS that use the term appear to be citations of Hodgson. Srnec (talk) 22:12, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ḥashīshiyya, Hashashin, etc., they would all be preferable to Order of Assassins. Hodgson is a pretty old book now and there are tons of newer RS that don't call them that. Adam Bishop (talk) 23:56, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Hashashin would be the better choice here. The Spanish article calls them Nizari first and foremost, and then both Hashashin and its translation Assassins; I'd say that's a valid criterion as well, although I don't think Nizari should be the title since most people don't know them by that name. Attilapw (talk) 06:04, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

text: I found a source that actually states that it is a misleading term. By the way, I again propose merging this article to Nizari Ismaili state. --Z 19:51, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mentioned in the last RM, I got here by searching for Hashashin and was surprised with the title and content of the article. I would strongly support a move to that title. On the other hand, I would really oppose any attempt to merge this article into Nizari Ismaili article. There is overlap, but the Hashashin were an unique and fascinating element of that state; that merge would be like killing off the Founding Fathers of the United States in favour of expanding either American Revolutionary War or the Thirteen Colonies article.  Last1in (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Order of" 

message: The reason I reverted your edit is that your write-up is confusing. The next paragraph discusses his lineage and if you want to expand on the "concealed Imans" then go for it as long as there are valid sources. There should be a Wikipedia article on that, but I doubt it. Also, Juyvani said a lot of things that weren't true and why call that out? In the meantime, I'm going to revert back awaiting a better write-up.Dr. Grampinator (talk) 16:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hassan II 

message: Nizari Ismaili state (created in 2016) is a pretty clear duplication of this page (created in 2004) but with a slightly different spin. The similitude is in fact quite freely admitted under Nizari Ismaili state#Name, where it says "also known as the Order of Assassins", somewhat raising the question of why it was created in the first place. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging Nizari Ismaili state here 

message: I do believe that the "Assassin Guild" had an impressive presence in the "Caucasus Mountains" and possibly as distant as the "Pamir Mountain Range".
before the Safavid Qizilbash created their own Iran.
08:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @43.242.178.227  Any sources? Riad Salih (talk) 19:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caucasus Mountains