Talk:Lumbini

message: Some mention of the fact that there is a dispute about present day Lumbini in Nepal being the birthplace of the Buddha should at least receive a mention in the article. Information about this dispute may be found at: http://www.lumkap.org.uk/Lumbini%20On%20Trial.htm  
Chris Fynn (talk) 07:54, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Dispute

message: I dont understand why india and indians want to claim that lumbini is in india, another place called lumbini might be in india but the birth place of buddha was always in Nepal.if anyone is confused about the birth place of buddha those people can always have a reference of wikipedia for gautam buddha, it is clearly mentioned that buddha was born in Nepal. If buddha was born in india then why buddhist's from china, Japan, srilanka and other counties deciples visit Lumbini, Nepal. please people have some common sense and do write the things do not spread a rumour.I request Wikipedia to state the clear reference related to buddha should not post any confusing references.
::The answer is because Nepal was historically and culturally part of Ancient India. 71.105.87.54 (talk) 22:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that your pro Nepal and you think your seperate and different from the rest of the Indian sub-continent but Nepal is historically and culturally linked to Ancient India. 71.105.87.54 (talk) 22:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Old comments

message: The article says that Gautama was the founder of Buddhism, but this is not true. Buddha and the philosophy of an earlier Buddhism existed when Gautama was born in 586 BCE. In fact, it is told, that the mystic Kala Devala, upon seeing the baby Gautama a few days after the birth, reacted first with a smile, then with tears, then by bowing and touching the baby Gautama's feet. When asked by Gautama's father, Suddhodana, why he reacted so, Kala Devala said:
"I smiled when I saw him because I have been privileged to see a being who will know Buddhahood. Then I wept, because as I know my own future I know that I shall not live to meet him then. Then I bowed to touch the feet of the greatest being in the whole world."
Gautama became a revolutionary in that he redefined Buddhism, but he did not found it. --Bentonia School 16:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Correction 

message: I take issue with the statement that Lumbini is in the foothills of the Himalaya. It simply isn't. Lumbini is near the border with India, an area of plains with the Terai just to the east. The foothills, if a particular starting point can be drawn, are some distance to the north. As simple topographic map will prove this. I know a source is given for the statement, but it is simply wrong. I suggest removing it and questioning any other information cited from the source. --Bentonia School (talk) 11:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foothills of the Himalaya 

message: ===By air===
The closest airport is at Bhairahawa (also known as Sidhhartha Nagar)  (22km), where there are flights to and from Kathmandu.  Other airports serving more destinations include Gorakhpur and Faizabad in India.
===By rail===
The closest rail link is in Gorakhpur, India
===By road===
Buses ply the route between Sunauli (from stop across from Hotel Yeti) and Lumbini (you will need to walk 1km from the nearest stop). The last return bus departs at 5 PM. 
Buses also run from Kathmandu, Pokhara and Varanasi to Sunauli.
Taxis are probably the best option for reaching Lumbini from Sunauli, though you will need to know the going rate to avoid paying well over the odds. As everywhere else in the sub-continent, ensure that the fare has been agreed before heading out. This will save trouble at the destination.
Bikes can be rented at hotels in Lumbini (80 NRs/day) and offer a good way to see the site. Make sure of the condition of the tires, as a flat will mean pushing it back over miles.
: Partly done: added air and rail sections, but the road section (while fine on Wikitravel) is a bit too no original research-y for Wikipedia, it would need to be written from a neutral point of view to be acceptable here. -- gtdp (T)/(C) 19:47, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Please add this section from Wikitravel:  Transport Links

message: Buses ply the route between Sunauli (from stop across from Hotel Yeti) and Lumbini (you will need to walk 1km from the nearest stop). The last return bus departs at 5 PM. 
Buses also run from Kathmandu, Pokhara and Varanasi to Sunauli.
Taxis are probably the best option for reaching Lumbini from Sunauli, though you will need to know the going rate to avoid paying well over the odds. As everywhere else in the sub-continent, ensure that the fare has been agreed before heading out. This will save trouble at the destination.
Bikes can be rented at hotels in Lumbini (80 NRs/day) and offer a good way to see the site. Make sure of the condition of the tires, as a flat will mean pushing it back over miles.
: Partly done: added air and rail sections, but the road section (while fine on Wikitravel) is a bit too no original research-y for Wikipedia, it would need to be written from a neutral point of view to be acceptable here. -- gtdp (T)/(C) 19:47, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: By road

message: There are comments and sources out there to show this project is still highly controversial and not committed.  The more aggressive comments are like this.  Where the goal of the PRC is to overshadow the Dala Lama as the final preserver of Buddhism. Benjwong (talk) 04:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is not to say whether it was just passed or rejected.  The point is to show the contentions along the way. Even if it passed 100% tomorrow, it has already been rejected at one time. Benjwong (talk) 22:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: China project

message: Something should be done with the map.  It is titled something like "location of Lumbini" -- but I needed to blow the map up to find the town.  Maybe instead of a thin red line, an arrow of some sort should be used to point to the town. Kdammers (talk) 07:14, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: Can Paderia be redirected here? Wiki-uk (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to this because of the image (shown here on the right) that I found on Wiki Commons. After doing a search on Google Books, I came to the conclusion that the 'Paderia Pillar' refers to the Lumbini Pillar, so I added this image to the Category 'Ashoka pillar (Lumbini)'. Now I found another image of the Lumbini inscription, halfway through http://narendranath.webs.com which confirms that they are the same, so I'm creating the redirect now. Wiki-uk (talk) 04:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paderia 

message: The article says "Siddhartha Gautama lived roughly between 623 and 543 BCE", but even according to the recent paper about excavations at Lumbini, many influential scholars believe in chronologies that range from 340 BC to 480 BC: "Most scholars waver between a Nepali and Sri Lankan tradition of 623 BC, a long ‘southern Buddhist’ chronology of 544/3 BC, a long chronology of 480 BC, and short chronologies between 390 and 340 BC, although key individuals have begun to favour the shorter chronologies (Bechert 1995: 12–34)"  (Cite: ).  I guess that this article shouldn't make strong claims, and refer instead to another article where all the POV are included. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 15:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV about buddha's chronology 

message: The main four pilgrimage sites related to the life of Gautama Buddha being Kushinagar, Lumbini, bodh Gaya and Sarnath. 
India and Nepal share 4 things which we cannot change at all. (It might be ignorance of people who don't study history ! But history cannot be changed. It can only be accepted as it is. );
1) Both Share similar religion like Hinduism , Buddhism.
2) Both share Border
3) Both share common history of Aryans. 
4) Buddha was born in Kapilvastu , Lumbini , (present day) NEPAL. Present day Lumbin is 2x6 km area. But in Buddha's time it was not so small. Lumbini was subsidiary kingdom to Magadh ( present day Bihar). Its territories crossed Indian border. Hence today's Lumbini is divided between India and Nepal. 
There are  4 facts which Nepal cannot change ; 
1) Buddha got enlightment in Buddhagaya/Gaya in India
2) Buddha first himself taught Buddhism to Indians. Later it spread to other countries.
3) He lived his entire life in India . He died in India. 
4) He travelled to various places in India. 
There are 5 facts regarding Nationality of Buddha:
1) Lumbini was independent kingdom with free king and independent government. Iumbini was never part of Bihar govt or Nepal Govt because both did not existed at that time. Although the entire land was called "Bharat Chhetra/ Arya Vrat " . The culture, and citizens of Lumbini of that time is currently divided b/w both the countries. He was independent prince of Lumbini kingdom which is currently divided between India and Nepal. 
2) Buddha never spoke in Nepali language. He never wore Nepali costumes " Daura Suruwal and Nepali Topi. He had never heard the word " Nepal " in his lifetime. Because Nepal came into existence 1000 years after his birth (534BC) . The first king of Nepal was Manadeva. 
3) Hence he was not a citizen of Nepal. He was citizen of his own country, ie Lumbini ! 
4) There are no records of his travel to Kathmandu , bhairahwa, butwal etc cities of Nepal.
5) It is highly inappropriate to cut and paste past history and citizens of Lumbini with current history and location of Lumbini. People of that time have migrated to both Nepal and India . Lumbini was annexed by Gupta dynasty and Muguls of India and Later by Gorkha king of Nepal. 
Explanation with evidence and source of information : 
Buddha was born 563 BC in Lumbini, present day Nepal on the following auspicious Baisakhi purnima. As Siddhartha, he renounced his family at the age of 29 his gaining enlightenment in 534 BC and travelled and meditated in search of truth. After meditating for six years at Urubela (Buddhagaya) in Gaya, India he attained Buddhatva or enlightenment. There he sat in meditation under a bodhi (fig) tree (Ficus religiosa). After three days and three nights of meditation, Siddhartha claimed to have attained enlightenment and insight, and the answers that he had sought. 
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodh_Gaya#Demographics
After seven weeks, he travelled to Sarnath, where he began teaching Buddhism.The deer park in Sarnath is where Gautama Buddha first taught the Dharma, and where the Buddhist Sangha came into existence through the enlightenment of Kondanna. Sarnath is located 13 kilometres north-east of Varanasi , in Uttar Pradesh, India.  It was here that he preached his first discourse in the deer park to set in motion the 'Wheel of the Dharma'. It is one of the most holy sites as in this place the stream of the Buddha's teaching first flowed.
Source :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarnath
The language of that time was Pali or Prakrit and hence all Buddhist texts were written in Prakrit in "Pali cannon" . Prakrit language evolved from Sanskrit. The culture and tradition was different . The Nepali language had not evolved. There was nothing like ' Nepali topi ' and 'Daura suruwal' to be worn by Buddha.  Hence the concept of Nepali or Indian Nationality of Buddha is in question ! Did Buddha ever said that he was Nepali? He is mentioned as shakya or Arya . To be a national , the nationalism must be evolved. 
Source; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pāli_Canon
Buddha was born in lumbini. Lumbini was independent kingdom with free king and independent government. He was independent prince of Lumbini kingdom which is currently divided between India and Nepal. Iumbini was never part of Bihar govt or Nepal Govt because both did not existed at that time. The culture, and citizens of Lumbini of that time is currently divided b/w both the countries. Lumbini is currently at border between India and Nepal.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.184.167.205 (talk) 07:04, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Lumbini and India 

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message: Source: 
[1]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koliya , 
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Gautama Buddha (born in Lumbini) and related facts: He belonged to Koli Clan of Rajputs:
The Sakyan and Koliyan ruled on opposite banks of the Rohni River. Their representatives were called rajas and their chief was the maharaja or Ganapati. However, they both were independent republics. The Koliya owned two chief settlements of Santhagara, at Ramagama and at Devadaha of Nawalparasi Nepal. Present day Lumbini Zone, Kapilvastu, Nepal.
Suddhodana was the father of Siddhartha Gautama, who later became Buddha. Siddhartha Gautama later became known as Shakyamuni, the "Sage of the Shakyans," or the Buddha. Suddhodana's paternal aunt was married to the Koliyan ruler Añjana. Their daughters, Mahamaya and Mahapajapati Gotami, were married to Śuddhodana, the chief of the Sakyans. Yashodhara (Koliyan Princess), daughter of Suppabuddha, who was Añjana’s son (Koli), was married to the Sakyan prince, Gautama Buddha. Thus, the two royal families were related by marriage bonds between maternal and paternal cousins since ancient times.
History 
Prashanna01 (talk) 10:39, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient History Related with Gautama Buddha 

message: Here, we are still using the old map of Nepal.. Being a user of Wikipedia, I would love to ask the authority to maintain map of Nepal in every other sites so that we can keep Wikipedia articles updated...
Thank You! ISHANBULLS (talk) 03:39, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Map of Nepal