Talk:Astrology in the medieval Islamic world

message: Someone suggested merging Islamic astrology with Arab and Persian astrology. I support the merge of Islamic astrology to here, as it is a far less POV title, and the two topics are virtually the same.--Sefringle 01:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree that this merger should be done, although I think that the article Arab and Persian astrology should be separated into two different articles since to some extent the represent two different traditions.  So my vote is merge.  --Chris Brennan 00:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge

message: According to jurists, the study of astronomy (ilm al-hay'ah) is lawful, as it is useful in predicting the beginning of months and seasons, determining the direction of salat (prayer), and navigation. They agree that this branch of science be used in determining the beginning and end of the month of Ramadan. As for astrology, this is considered by most Islamic scholars as haram (unlawful), as knowledge of the Unseen is known only by Allah. Dr. Husam al-Din Ibn Musa `Afana, a Professor of the Principles of Fiqh at Al-Quds University, Palestine, states the following: 
:"First of all, it is worth noting that the Arabs knew astronomy a long time ago. They would predict time through observing the movements of stars. According to the scholars of Shar`iah, there are two terms confused in many people's minds when it comes to dealing with the question in hand. These terms are astronomy and astrology. Astronomy is the science that deals with studying the movements of the celestial bodies and reducing observations to mathematical order. That science is useful in determining time, seasons, the direction of Prayer, etc. Astrology, on the other hand, is concerned with studying the positions and aspects of celestial bodies in the belief that they have an influence on the course of natural earthly occurrences and human affairs. Astrologists believe that the movements of stars have an influence on people's lives. Both Muslim astronomers and [religious] scholars refuse the prophecies of astrologists."excerpted from a lecture given by Dr. Yusuf Marwah under the title Astronomy and the Beginning of the Lunar Months 
--Sefringle 20:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: information to be placed somewhere

message: The list Prominent Arab, Jewish, Muslim, and Persian Astrologers have no good rationale. It contains every conceivable person that might have diddled with astrology in a certain area. The Biblical Magi (the "Three Wise Men") are legendary, and might have existed in the human imagination only (or, might be unattestedly real, same difference). Hypatia and Porphyry, platonists, are irrelevant here, unless a major influence upon a hypothesized astrological tradition inside the moslem sphere can be ascertained. Berossus similarly. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 08:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: List cleanup

message: There is no such thing as "Arabic" Astrology. Astrology has been practiced in the Iranian plateau centuries (even millenniums) before interacting with the traditions of the Muslims in the Arabian peninsula. So please, make a separate section about Arabic Astrology. Besides, this article seem to be entirely about PERSIAN ASTROLOGY and its influence over Islam.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonabona (talk • contribs) 08:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  please change 

message: I hve removed the following comment from the article:
::Muslim astrologers defined a new form of astrology called electional astrology that could be used for all manner of divination in everyday life, such as the discovery of propitious moments for the undertaking of a journey, or the beginning of a business venture etc. They also were the first to speak of 'favourable' and 'unfavourable' indications, rather than categorical events.(ref)
(ref = Derek and Julia Parker "The New Compleat Astrologer" Crescent Books, New York 1990)
Both of comments are incorrect.  Electional astrology was the most ancient form of astrology, employed by the Babylonians and discussed in detail in the 5th book of the Carmen Astrologicum of Dorotheus, which is Hellenistic in origin. Ancient and Hellenistic texts were also full of references to 'favourable' and 'unfavourable' indications. The source these comments rely upon is a popular astrology text, now 20 years old. It may have represented widespread astrological belief at that time but subsequent scholarship has helpd to clarify and correct a lot of earlier, widely-published, inaccuracies. Zac Δ talk  17:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing inaccurate content 

message: The article has a lot of problems as it stands - there are some references that are not suitable and others which give only half the details they should. (To just give a reference to "Islamonline.com" or "Sasha Fenton, ibid" is clearly not acceptable).
I will be trying to bring this article up to a better standard by ensuring the focus is given to content referenced to reliable sources (will welcome the help of anyone else who feels inclined to contribute).  One point: I not feel the lengthy discussion of "Opinions of contemporary Muslim scholars" is appropriate in a page which gives a clear indication of the limits of its focus: astrology in *medieval* Islam. Therefore I suggest removing that section and developing the historical information and explanation of medieval technique that pertains to the period under scrutiny. -- Zac  Δ  talk! 14:53, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical assesment of this article's content 

message: Astrology is the interpretation of celestial bodies as having an effect on human affairs. Merely studying stars and their movements, is not "astrology", but rather astronomy.
Therefore the content in this article about medieval Muslim study of stars (mostly for purposes of navigation) belongs in Astronomy in medieval Islam. This article should be moved to "Islamic views on Astrology", and contain medieval and contemporary views on astrology.Bless sins (talk) 23:29, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Islamic views on Astrology 

message: Many terms come from Aarabic and that would be a unique aspect to add to this page. There is a brief mention of it in the beginning but examples could be given as well as links. There are at least 7 of the brightest stars bear Arabic names. For example two words that come from Arabic that we use today in Astrology are Zenith and nadir (highest and lowest points).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriscorbaz (talk • contribs) 06:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terms 

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message: Hi everyone, I'll just be adding a table filled with the signs and its description based on Al Biruni's work
CarmenBanks (talk) 08:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  table of signs