Talk:Homerun (film)

message: #Support as writer of article, and for reasons given above. This means more exposure for the article I wrote and will help it become a good article. If consensus is against this, I will support making Homerun redirect to Homerun (film), as this will not affect the exposure of the article. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Homerun]] article about film

message: * Article titles are supposed to be based on the most common usage of a term, and, forgive me, but a Singaporean film is not the first thing someone whose native language is English will think of when they see the word Homerun.  User:Zoe|(talk) 22:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Create [[Homerun (disambiguation)]] and list both of them there.  

message: * I vote for this option. --Richard 16:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Homerun]] redirect to [[Home run]]

message: I pick this as this is an existing disambig page. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 06:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Homerun]] redirect to [[Home run (disambiguation)]]

message: User:Hildanknight has indicated in a recent edit summary that he intends to request mediation to resolve the "dispute" over the REDIRECT of Homerun to Home run as opposed to Homerun (film).  
I'm not quite sure what mediation will accomplish in this situation.  As the above "vote" shows, there is no consensus to do what User:Hildanknight wishes.  If anything, the consensus is running against the proposed REDIRECT from Homerun to Homerun (film).  
I have reverted User:Hildanknight's REDIRECT of Homerun to Homerun (film) back to Home run on the premise that it is inappropriate to start a vote and then plunge on ahead to implement a resolution that runs counter to the way the vote is leaning.  This seems to violate the spirit of building consensus even if there is no explicit policy about it.
IMO, unless the vote count changes dramatically, User:Hildanknight should accept the result of the "vote" as "no consensus" and leave the REDIRECT the way it is (i.e. to Home run with a disambig link at the top of the Home run article).  I'm sorry that this makes it more difficult to reach Homerun (film) from Homerun but the general argument seems to be that the baseball usage of the term is far more widespread than the title of a Singaporean film.  NB: This statement would be true even if Homerun (film) were a feature film from a major American motion picture studio.  Given that Singaporeans are a tiny minority of English speakers worldwide, the logical REDIRECT is to Home run.
That said, if User:Hildanknight does not find this argument convincing, he should consult WP:DR.  Informal mediation can be requested via the Mediation Cabal, a Request for Comment can be requested viat the RFC process, or astraw poll can be conducted.
A request for mediation can be made AFTER an attempt has been made to reach a resolution via informal resolution processes.  Note the following text from the Request For Mediation page.
: Before requesting formal mediation, parties should have made an attempt some form of informal resolution; disputes that have not attempted informal resolution may be rejected with the direction to attempt informal resolution. Parties may find Requests for Comment or the Mediation Cabal useful steps prior to formal mediation. Disputes that cannot be resolved through mediation, or where the parties are unwilling to take part in voluntary dispute resolution, may be referred to the Arbitration Committee for binding resolution, including sanctions.
Formal mediation is the second last step in this process (one step short of arbitration).  Arbitration is an undesirable forum for resolving disputes.  It usually involves one or more parties who are so unreasonable as to be in repeated violation of Wikipedia policies such as WP:3RR, WP:CIVIL or WP:POINT.
Hope this helps.
--Richard 07:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for mediation regarding the REDIRECT of [[Homerun]] 

message: I think the plethora of options has contributed to the lack of consensus.  User:Hildanknight presented three options and five people voted.  Thus, the vote count wound up being 2/2/1 but surprise, surprise, there's no consensus.
In his request for informal mediation at the Mediation Cabal, User:Hildanknight proposed three compromises...
# Homerun redirects to Home run (disambiguation). This offers 1-click disambiguation for both articles. 
# Home run offers 1-click disambiguation to Homerun (film) instead of the current 2-click disambiguation. Could be used together with compromise 1. 
# Homerun (film) offers 2-click disambiguation to Home run, instead of the current 1-click disambiguation. Best used together with compromise 1. Not recommended, however, as this is a lose-lose situation. 
I will point out that he could have offered these compromises prior to seeking mediation but that's part of the learning process, I guess.  One of the things a mediator will do is to see if a compromise can be reached.
So, let's figure out the next step.  I think the problem with the first vote was based on "ideal" situations and everybody voted for their "ideal".  Since that approach reached no consensus, we could offer the above list of compromises for a vote but I think items #2 and #3 above list unnecessarily muddies the issue.
I propose that we vote on item #1 with a straight up-or-down vote.  So the proposal is to "Change the current REDIRECT of Homerun to Homerun (disambiguation)".  An "Oppose" vote either indicates support for the current status quo (Homerun REDIRECTS to Home run) OR support for some other solution.
If we can reach consensus on this solution, we're done.  If not, we'll have to talk some more.  In any event, we will have to talk more to resolve items #2 and #3 above.
=== Support ===
# --Richard 17:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion in search of a compromise regarding the REDIRECT of [[Homerun]] 

message: # --Richard 17:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: In his request for informal mediation, Hildanknight states ...
: The issue here lies in the spacing of the words "Homerun" and "Home run". I have never seen "Homerun" (without the space) being used to refer to the baseball term. 
A Yahoo or Google search will show that many people type "homerun" when they mean "home run (baseball)" although it is unclear whether formal publications such as newspapers ever write "homerun" instead of "home run".  I wasn't that thorough in looking at the search results.
What I did find, though, was that there is support to argue in favor of Homerun (disambiguation).  There are a number of instances of "HomeRun" other than just the baseball term and the movie.  Not all of the following are notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia but the first one, a program on CBC Montreal probably is.
Homerun program on CBC Montreal
HomeRun Software
HomeRun Media
HomeRun Realty
HomeRun, something related to AppleScript
--Richard 17:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There currently is a Home run (disambiguation) page. We could list all the uses of both "Homerun" and "Home run" on that Home run (disambiguation), particularly if the other uses you listed are less notable. However, if the other entries are notable, we could also create a new Homerun (disambiguation) page. We could then have the Homerun (disambiguation) and Home run (disambiguation) pages link to each other. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 11:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other uses of "Homerun" without the space 

message: I noticed their was some conflict concerning the Home run and Homerun (film) articles dealing with the redirects and disambigs and such. I was bold in changing the other uses template on the Homerun article (see). I thought this might settle some issues. Let me know what you think.--Joe Jklin (T C) 04:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm quite happy with that arrangement. It was my second compromise offer when I opened a mediation case regarding the article. Hopefully there is consensus for this change. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copied from [[User:Hildanknight]]'s Talk Page 

message: My understanding is that the mediation case was closed due to the mistaken impression of the mediator that I (Richard Shu) was "handling it".  However, the mediator was wrong because I can't "handle it" if I am one of the disputants.  That would not constitute disinterested mediation.  
However, in light of Hildanknight's comment above, it may be that we are converging on a resolution of this issue.  At present, Homerun redirects to Home run which mentions this article in a disambig line at the top of the article.  I'm not thrilled with this as I think it gives this film more exposure than it deserves.  However, I am willing to drop my objections and wait and see if anybody else objects.
My question is: If this solution sticks, can we drop the other proposals (e.g. for a Homerun (disambiguation) page?
--Richard 05:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status of mediation case 

message: Is The UrbanWire (used in reference 10) reliable? If not, feel free to remove reference 10, as reference 4 already covers the material.
I added four references (6-9) for the "little red dot" sentence. Among the four, which two are most reliable (or, if all are equally reliable, which two are most appropriate for use as a reference)?
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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