Talk:Midnight Express (film)

message: Anyone want to consider putting something in here about the cultural impact of the film, i.e. the Turks regard it as the worst catastrophe ever in Turkish-U.S. relations? 209.149.235.254 20:15, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural impact?

message: While an interesting article, it doesn't really read like an encyclopedia entry. Would the person who wrote it, since it looks like a personal piece, like to alter this, or would they like it cleaned up by others?
In fact, may I suggest reverting to the 3rd July form, which still includes many of your points but very briefly, and working on the details you want to add here, on this 'talk' page, where people can advise how to shape it as an encyclopedia-style article?  vv
:Hi everybody.  Feel free to alter the article. But do not simply erase it. In my opinion it is very good, it perfectly shows the difference between the movie and the book.
::I would be going to edit it. Think it's a good article, still, arguments should be stated "Some say ..." or "Turkish argue ..." or "Critics say ...", but not "It's obvious that ...". Also would I cut some things like that passage stating that Hayes was a drug user. So what? So many people do, I wouldn't say they're all criminals... anyone strongly disagree? --JensLang 04:33, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is very far from being acceptable in its current state.  The book/movie comparisons don't need to be anywhere near so exhaustive, and the personal style (e.g. "No comments here" and "We see that") needs to go. Saforrest 06:31, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I do strongly disagree with the claim that all drug users are not criminals.--Damifb 14:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Could read better

message: Did the WP contributor copy from http://www.tetedeturc.com/Midnight-express/intro-ME_anglais.htm#Le%20film or is it the converse? As the en.wp article cites the FR translation of a book, I'm afraid it has been plagiarized from there. Apokrif 21:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio 

message: After cleaning up some of the more egregious Turkish rants on this page, the basic summary of the film has now even been taken down.  Wikipedia is not an appropriate forum for discussing the substantive merits of the film; the article should contain, at most, a summary of the plot points, and a mention that the film is controversial in Turkey.  (A discussion of the Greek colonels' attempt to annex Cyprus, for example, is totally beyond the appropriate scope of this article.)  Unfortunately, certain members with axes to grind are making this difficult.  I suspect that the article ought to be reduced to "Mostly Harmless" so that everyone is happy.
:: Yes, I have also noticed this. Thunderlippps (talk) 01:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evisceration of article 

message: *In the movie insults are aimed at Turks as a people that do not occur in the book and which the screen writer Oliver Stone later apologized for. They reach a paroxysm when the Hayes character, learning of his life sentence, pronounces violent abuse on the country, shocking many Turks, but understandable in the context of the film. 
Uh, have you read the book?  Hayes spends much of it bashing the Turks as a whole, calling them animals, filthy, bestial, etc.  It is not a positive portrayal and Hayes comes across as a racist, arrogant jackass.
::Try spending years in a Turkish prison and see how you turn out!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.149.236.86 (talk) 09:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you?? (Tylose 18:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More to the point, if you attempted to traffic drugs in order to go through that experience, how justified would you be in complaining about being arrested? That is the ultimate failure of the book and the movie; not so much racism, or even a silly, vague nationalism, as much as pure hypocrisy as its core motivation. Luis Dantas (talk) 08:49, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: More to the point is the hypocrisy that drugs made it into Turkey, and they arrest an American taking the drugs out of Turkey.   Marc S.  206.192.35.125 (talk) 18:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't imagine a justification for complaining about one's arrest for such a crime when the accused is actually guilty (as you posit) and is not mistreated as he is taken into custody, but he could be justified in complaining about the length or conditions of his pre-conviction confinement or his imprisonment. Let the punishment fit the crime, as the saying goes. In addition, I suppose those who say cannabis should be legal would say he should not be arrested at all, but that's not germane to this particular discussion (which has turned into a discussion about this article's subject and not the article itself, by the way). --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 00:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed the following segment 

message: Interviews, errors etc. could all be merged into a single "Criticisms" title. (Tylose 16:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion of arrangement 

message: In early March, Outrate.net was blacklisted for adding too many links to Wikipedia, which represented a COI according to Wikipedia policies.  But this has meant that a number of valid Outrate.net links were automatically removed.
Our lengthy interview with Billy Hayes (Aug 05) was removed from the Interviews and External Links section of your Billy Hayes page.  The deep link to the interview is here: outrate.net/billyhayes.html
I believe you are able to replace this link, if you would like to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.253.33.127 (talk) 23:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Whitelisting

message: As the introduction to the description properly mentions the movie unnecessarily portrayed Turks in negative picture, and this even came under criticism of Bill Hayes himself. So the new category was added to the movie as it did indeed incite anti-Turkish sentiments. Atabek 23:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category added

message: I deleted some external links, they are not relevant for the movie (youtube links).
I also deleted the 'Review' section. It's not very objective.
Billy Hayes interviewed. Isn't that a headline in Billy Hayes Biography -not the movie?
Squam 07:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted headlines 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Midnight express.jpg

message: Oliver Stone's apology definitely belongs in the article, but I question whether it belongs in the lead. Stetsonharry (talk) 14:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead of article

message: some users are blanking the article in a specific way to hide obvious anti-Turkish sentiment in the film.
anti-Turkish sentiment in this film is justified through references to respectful sources. MGM's and Kirk Kerkorian's moves are historically critical and thus required to make the article complete. please don't blank the article.
Midnight Express is not "just a movie". it produced a cultural impact. the social, cultural and political aspects of the issue should be there in the article.
Polysynaptic (talk) 01:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *See my comments on this matter above (in the previous section). I know it this was posted some time ago, but in case the issue comes up again I felt it was relevant, (also someone else posted a recent reply). Thanks. --MsBatfish (talk) 03:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blanking 

message: Straight away following the murder of many Turkish nationals by Israel, this film has all of a sudden been aired on many European television stations and has been made available on digital downloads such as on Virgin on demand and re-appeared on shop shelfs as a dvd, perhaps to give turkish people a bad image. How can this be added to the article? This move is similar to the western media airing anti-arab films such as true lies 3 weeks prior to the invasion of Iraq. --94.195.194.144 (talk) 06:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *This question was posted last year, but in case anyone is still interested in including that info: I don't see why it couldn't be included provided there are published sources stating that that happened, for example was there, say, a newspaper article discussing the increase in the film's presence immediately after the murder of the Turkish nationals? If not, and you just noticed this on your own, I would be very careful about if and how you present it in the article and make sure that you have proof, (for example sources that show that the movie was aired, say, 10 times a month after this happened and only once every 2 months beforehand), and do not include any of your own conclusions about the reason why this was done. --MsBatfish (talk) 03:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Flotilla murders by Israel and heavy airing of this film 

message: At the end of this article are lists of "Films directed by Alan Parker" and "Films by Oliver Stone" both of which I accept as valid. Yet there is also a template for "Films directed by Danny Boyle" even though there is no mention of him anywhere else in the article and he appears to have no connection to this film. Am I missing something? MikeEagling (talk) 01:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Danny Boyle connection 

message: Both in the beginning and in the end of the movie we can hear a recording of some kind. A woman talks about Cyprus War in Turkish. Considering this is a British movie, which was, infact still is the guarantor of christian population in the island. It raises the question: maybe only or primary driving force of creating this movie was Cyprus War. Well, actually, for many Turk, this was the only reason. Considering movie was released in 1978, just after Cyprus War, this couldn't be anything else. Nonetheless, I feel like we should be including this information to the article. It will provide a different perspective to reader. Although haven't really researched this thought thoroughly. I have to leave this to you. Have a nice day.
--Bluetogreens (talk) 03:30, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Underlying reason: Cyprus War. Should we include? 

message: needs to be referenced, so I have removed it until such time as it is.  No blogs please.:"
Giorgio Moroder used the six notes corresponding to "now you say you love me" from the song "Cry Me a River" to create part of the soundtrack ."
Carptrash (talk) 17:39, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A claim such as this 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Can someone explain why the plot section says that when Billy pointed out the cabbie to the cops it was apparent that they werent going to keep up their end of the deal and so that's why he ran? I never got that impression and the scene doesn't make that clear at all. I just saw it as his using that time they were distracted talkng to the cabbie as a chance for him to escape.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.55.181.5 (talk) 07:47, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also deleted the bits saying that he had been raped, there was nothing in the movie to imply that. The chief guard "only" beat him that first nigth, and he definitely didn't reject Erich's advances. 2A04:241A:AA01:9E80:65D4:63D1:14F9:C3D9 (talk) 01:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Description 

message: In The Simpsons Season 3 Episode 6 Treehouse of Horror II, Homer is searched before bording his airplane from Morocco to Springfield and discovered to be smuggling various tchotchkes taped to his body in a similar manner as Billy did the blocks of hashish. Held at gunpoint by the customs guards just like in the film, he is fined $2 US and then the episode continues uninterrupted. Deliusfan (talk) 00:33, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another item for the legacy section