Talk:Grandmaster (chess)

message: I think this note no longer work. Does anyone know where the original source can be found? Pincopallino555 (talk) 13:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Note 18

message: What exactly is this title "International Grandmaster"? My certificate (awarded in 1984) says only "Grand Maitre", which, if my woeful French does not deceive me translates into English as "Grand Master". The entry is simply wrong, in my view. Nigel Short —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigel Short (talk • contribs) 
:Could someone who knows how to do so move the article? Narssarssuaq 07:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title meaning

message: Deleted Alex Sherzer because he is not a known Grandmaster (to me), so not a good example in a list of Grandmasters.
:I've heard of him (he's American, rated 2486 in the April 2003 rating list), but agree he's not nearly as well known as most of the others on the list, and looks a bit out of place. I'm not sure how useful the list is at all, to be honest, seeing as we have List of chess players, and who we include here is bound to be rather subjective, but I'll leave it for now. --Camembert
Sherzer is definitely a GM, whoever took him off is on crack. Fide.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heliopolitanus (talk • contribs) 00:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sherzer

message: The Tzar did not create the term "grandmaster"; it had been used before. Why anyone would give Tzar Nicholas, who was no chess authority, the right to declare players "grandmaster" is simply because its a colorful, factual, story, a powerful hereditary political figure annointing the chess great, the same as he would creating titles of nobility.
"Grandmaster" was used popularly around the time of the Tsar to denote those masters who were so good, they were masters of the masters, beating them the way that masters beat amateurs. It also came to mean a master who had a rightful claim, based on his results, to challenge the World Champion. Hence it is wrong to limit the usage of the term to after 1914; masters in the 19th century who were of the highest caliber have a rightful claim to be called "Grandmasters"...especial as today, lots of masters are awarded the FIDE title who arn't even in the top group of masters, those who could could give the champ a tough fight. In any event, the Tzar did not invent the title. ChessPlayer 01:48, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Got a source on any of that? --Malathion 02:15, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Oxford Companion to Chess backs up what ChessPlayer wrote. It says that the term grandmaster seems to have first been applied to chess in an 1838 issue of Bell's Life.  Later Philidor was called a grandmaster among others.  The Oxford Companion also says that strong tournaments in the early 20th century were sometimes called grandmaster events, including Ostend 1907 and San Sebastian 1912. It goes on to say that at that time grandmaster was used only for players who could reasonably compete for the championship, but that today the title is given to players to whom the champion could give odds. Its final observation is that in 1991 Britain alone had almost as many GMs as existed in the whole world in 1950. Quale 03:48, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like something that should go in the article, with a reference. --Malathion 03:51, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

text: OK, I agree.  I'm looking for some more references but eventually I'll make an update. Quale 21:20, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

text: For what it is worth, the 1914 Tsar story is also in Bobby Fischer Goes to War, page 35.  Bubba73 (talk), 14:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tzar origins

message: The article says that the rating requirement for IMs is 2400 (plus the required norms).
Looking at the FIDE Handbook it looks to me like the required performance rating is now 2450.
Is this correct?
:Per 1.50c, an IM needs to attain a rating >= 2400 at least once, but a performance rating of >= 2450.5. The rules for becoming an IM and a GM are exceedingly complex; I suppose it's worth going into this in some depth, provided it doesn't unnecessarily disturb the flow of the article. Neilc 04:37, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just created some short articles for other FIDE titles, in particular the women's titles Woman FIDE Master, Woman International Master, and Woman Grandmaster.  I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to merge and redirect all FIDE over-the-board titles except GM into a single article, maybe FIDE titles.  Then the norms stuff could be explained in one place.  (I would recommend keeping GM separate because it has added historical significance that the other titles lack.)  I'm afraid I don't understand the norms requirements well enough to write it up accurately, and of course FIDE has occasionally changed the rules.  Also, related to this discussion, I'm not sure that the claim in this article that the WGM title is roughly equivalent to the FM title is accurate.  I think the women are short-changed by this statement, since it looks to me like the requirements for WGM are significantly higher than those for FM and in fact are just a bit below IM. Is that right? Quale 05:15, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think merging the articles is a good idea. This article could cover the title pre-FIDE, and the FIDE titles article could cover the period since FIDE took over the management of the title. --Malathion 09:40, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks Camembert. I have updated the comparison of the WGM to the unrestricted titles to say that it is intermediate between FM and IM.  It seems that nearly a third of WGMs also have the IM title so it can't be that much tougher.  Regarding Grandmasters of Chess, I'm not familiar with it.  Maybe someone else can comment.  Otherwise I say remove it if you think it isn't germane. Quale 22:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requirements for IM 

message: The artcile currently says In 1972 there were only 88 GM's with 33 being Russian.. Were there really 33 Russians or were they from the former USSR? In the Super-GM list Mikhail Tal is listed as Latvian, despite only playing for the USSR. I just wonder if he (or other 1972 non-Russian, former USSR players are included in the 33). If there was a source for that list of 88 GMs then I would check myself. Nloth 02:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Russia" vs "USSR" 

message: Tiviakov is presently listed as having a peak rating of 2700. According to FIDE Sergei Tiviakov's peak rating isn't 2700 but 2699, which in that case means he should be removed from the list of Super Grandmasters.
:Good catch. 24.180.187.9 05:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone added him again. Is the FIDE website wrong? Narssarssuaq 08:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiviakov 

message: In the article it says that to become a GM, an achievement of three 'norms' is required. However, the FIDE says clearly in item 1.50a that two norms are sufficient. So to me it seems that the Wikipedia-article is wrong here. Bob.v.R 22:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Bob.v.R 15:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  number of norms that is required 

message: It seems to me the naming of the article is a source of confusion. It is called "International Grandmaster" (presumably to disambiguate from non-chess grandmasters) but the article then begins "The title Grandmaster...". Why not move the article to Grandmaster (chess)? Ludraman 14:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "International Grandmaster" was probably used to separate it from the many national grandmaster titles.  For instance, Botvinnik was one of the first International Grandmasters (in 1949 or 1950), but he was not made USSR grandmaster until 1955.Athulin (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion 

message: Why does the “Origin and Current Statistics” section only list people’s last names? Are readers expected to recognize them? Is it some kind of “chess-world style” to do that, even on first reference? --Rob Kennedy 04:21, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good question.  It is common in chess writing to use only the last names of the most famous players.  Most serious chess players (not just professionals, even informed hobbyists) would recognize nearly all the names listed in this article.  It would be OK to include the full names instead, but it would make the list longer so it's a tradeoff.  Since we can link names in wikipedia there should be no chance of confusion, so I think it actually works better here than it does on paper.  I'm not strongly opposed to giving the full names, but in this specific instance I think I like the shorter list better. 24.240.40.145 06:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surnames 

message: Judging from some of the comments above (in the sections #Title meaning and #Confusion), some people (including Nigel Short) think this article needs a rename, and I agree. Following Wikipedia convention of using brackets to disambiguate articles, I think it should be "Grandmaster", followed by something in brackets. Also possible is Chess Grandmaster, but I like that less, because it doesn't follow that convention. I think the possibilities are:
* Grandmaster (chess) - gets my vote
* Grandmaster (chess title)
* Chess Grandmaster
Could other people offer thoughts? Rocksong 02:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Grandmaster (chess) would be correct. Narssarssuaq 10:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  --Wfaxon 11:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but WP documentation is a dog's breakfast and I can't afford to spend any more time at the moment pursuing this. Rocksong 23:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Radjabov's calls himself an "International Grandmaster" here:  Narssarssuaq 16:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Perhaps it's a language thing? I still think we were right to move it, because (a) "Grandmaster" is the more common term, and (b) Nigel Short's observation on his GM certificate (see top of this talk page). Rocksong 23:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: International Grandmaster is simply an older term.  It was common in the Fischer era, but is currently out of date.  If we could find a good reference for this, it should go in the article.  The new title is better. 24.177.112.146 03:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IGM is still used in the crosstables of the chess magazine New in Chess. Skarioffszky 12:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: I've moved the page as per the concensus here and the request at RfD. For future reference, redirects don't need to be deleted to allow for page moves. Non-admins can move articles over redirects. Its only if the target of the move has actual content (e.g. is already a disambiguation page) that an admin is needed to delete it before the move can happen. WjBscribe 03:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Radjabov's calls himself an "International Grandmaster" here:  Narssarssuaq 16:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Perhaps it's a language thing? I still think we were right to move it, because (a) "Grandmaster" is the more common term, and (b) Nigel Short's observation on his GM certificate (see top of this talk page). Rocksong 23:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: International Grandmaster is simply an older term.  It was common in the Fischer era, but is currently out of date.  If we could find a good reference for this, it should go in the article.  The new title is better. 24.177.112.146 03:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IGM is still used in the crosstables of the chess magazine New in Chess. Skarioffszky 12:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved per above 

message: The initial list of grandmasters was reported already from the 1949 FIDE congress (see for instance British Chess Magazine, 1949,
p. 266), and the BCM report from the 1950 congress (BCM 1950 p. 246) says that "Sämisch (West Germany) and Kostich (Yugoslavia) were made grandmasters on grounds similar to those on which Bernstein, Duras, and others were granted this title last year."  I suspect this question must be resolved by referring to the minutes from the 1949 and 1950 congresses to learn what actually was ratified (and not only proposed) at each event.Athulin (talk) 20:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Every (authoritative) book on the subject that I have read states that FIDE awarded its first official titles in 1950. I will be surprised if you find any concrete evidence to the contrary. Brittle heaven (talk) 23:47, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the year wrong? 

message: Instead of being bold, I want to open a few ideas up for discussion.
# Merge some of the very short paragraphs in the lede.  I was thinking to merge paras 1 & 2, and 3 & 4, which would make the lede three reasonable length paragraphs long instead of the current five paragraphs, each only one or two sentences.
# Rename "Origin" section to "History".
# Remove the "Super-grandmaster" section.  I contributed to that section and it is of course a term that is actually used, but it's unreferenced and in any case not precisely defined.  Also, the table mentioned in Comparing top chess players throughout history may be trimmed substantially (see that page's talk).  If it could be satisfactorily referenced it could be kept.
Thoughts? Quale (talk) 22:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All OK with me. The "super-grandmasters" section could be merged with "title inflation", since its part of the same issue. Peter Ballard (talk) 23:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with #1 and 2.  I'm not so sure about #3.  I think I've seen that used in print, but I don't know where.  I'm on the fence about that one.  Bubba73 (talk), 23:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text:  A couple of uses of super grandmaster  and .  Bubba73 (talk), 00:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd probably keep "Super-grandmasters" and broaden it slightly to say that the term is commonly used to describe players of 2600+ ELO (original usage - and demonstrated by Bubba's [2]) or 2700+ ELO (more recent). How long before it refers to 2800+ players I wonder? It may be worth saying that the term's usage reflects the desire of many enthusiasts for an overhaul of the title system - something I've seen argued in magazines, maybe just on "letters" or editorial pages though. Brittle heaven (talk) 01:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely with the comment about the original usage being 2600+.  If we can find a good cite or two, we can use this. Quale (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some reorganization 

message: Is Alexander C.H.O'D Alexander? Bubba73 (talk), 02:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it is much more likely to be C.H.O'D. - more famous, and (IMO) likely to do that sort of thing.  But we probably shouldn't assume that for the article.  Bubba73 (talk), 02:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  CHO'D would be about 48 at the time; the other Alexander would be about 78.  I think it is unlikely to be the older one. I put in that it is probably CHO'D, because usually when you give the last name only, you are referring to the most famouse one.  For example, "Lasker" is Emanual by default, and "Petrosian" and even "Tigran Petrosian" is the 1960s world champ by default. Bubba73 (talk), 17:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  I had mentally done the math on the other Alexander and come up with an age of mid-60s which seemed possible but not necessarily likely.  Of course  I made an error—about 78 is right, which very strongly suggests C.H.O'D. Quale (talk) 21:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1957 regs 

message: Grandmasters and super grandmasters discussed today on |Susan Polgar's blog. Bubba73 (talk), 18:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  grandmaster and super grandmaster 

message: In view of the long discussion above, did we reach a consensus on who goes into :Category:Chess grandmasters? Obviously all the FIDE GMs since 1950, but what about pre 1950? I think we all agreed that "only the St. Petersburg 5" is not satisfactory, so I see two main options:
* No one pre 1950.
* Anyone called a GM by a WP:Reliable Source. (e.g. a user has added it to Aron Nimzowitsch (with the comment "the title from San Sebastian 1912") and Dawid Janowski (with the comment "term from Ostend 1907").
I don't care which we use, but it'd be good to settle it one way or the other. Peter Ballard (talk) 10:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  so who goes in the GM category? 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:Botvinnik M 01.JPG

message: The 'Super-GM' Section should be deleted I beleive as most of it needs Citation and seems to be more of an opinion than fact. Hawkania (talk) 03:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I shall delete it. The Talk-Page "justification" above provides no concrete evidence as to the benefit of the section.--Canned Soul (talk) 03:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  It should be deleted 

message: Some players have been become Grandmaster Emeritus(GME). I have no idea what the term means. SunCreator (talk) 16:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It means GM for life.  In the USCF a master becomes a master emeritus if they hold the master rating (2200) for 300 games, or something like that.  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 16:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  A GM for life? That's odd. Aren't all FIDE GM's a GM for life? SunCreator (talk) 16:34, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I think so.  Where did you see GME?  It could be emerius in the sense of "retired".  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 16:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Harry Golombek -"He earned the title of International Master in 1950 and was made a GME (Grandmaster Emeritus) in 1985. "  And also Jonathan Penrose, Vladimir Alatortsev. SunCreator (talk) 17:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't check the others but in the case of Golombek it looks like an honorary GM title.  He was an IM but didn't get to GM by norms, etc.  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 18:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is that(GME) a title awarded by FIDE then? SunCreator (talk) 18:06, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know for sure but it must be.  An honorary GM title without meeting the regular norms, I'm guessing.  I did a google search and it says that Arnold Denker was also one.  In the body of his article it says "...in 1981 FIDE made him an honorary Grandmaster." Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 18:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

text:  Rudolf Teschner is an "Honary master" ( See fide card ) which might be a IM or GM equiv. Corry Vreeken ( NL wikipedia rating card ) is a "Woman Honorary Grand Master" . Nobody else was listed differently and a quick search of the ratings site didn't turn any up. - SimonLyall (talk) 00:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Grandmaster Emeritus" is a hokey (to my mind) title that as I understand it recognizes players who have had long and storied careers, but haven't earned the GM title in the standard way(s). See the discussion here. Krakatoa (talk) 04:08, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grandmaster Emeritus 

message: The rating list published in the March 5, 1951 issue of Chess Life, reflecting performances through December 31, 1950, has eight rating categories (Grandmaster, Senior Master, Master, Expert, Class A, Class B, Class C, and Class D. All except the top category are similar, but not identical, to those employed by the USCF today. Senior Master is 2500-2699, Master is 2300-2499, Expert is 2100-2299, Class A is 1900-2099, Class B is 1700 to 1899, Class C is 1500 to 1699, and Class D is below 1500. "Grandmaster" is defined as 2700 and above, a category occupied only by Fine and Reshevsky. Chess Life, March 5, 1951, page 3 (page 19 on "Chess Life 1951" PDF file on "Chess Life 1946-55" CD-ROM). Note, incidentally, that these would have been Harkness ratings rather than Elo ratings. I don't know how long this usage continued; my guess is not long. Krakatoa (talk) 04:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The list published on October 5, 1951 also reflected this definition of "Grandmaster." Chess Life, Oct. 5, 1951, page 3 (page 85 on "Chess Life 1951" PDF file on "Chess Life 1946-55" CD-ROM). Krakatoa (talk) 04:34, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto Chess Life, March 5, 1952, page 3 (page 19 on "Chess Life 1952" PDF file on "Chess Life 1946-55" CD-ROM). Krakatoa (talk) 04:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting.  Of course Reshevsky and Fine were the only FIDE GMs from the US until Nicolas Rossolimo in 1953, so the USCF list is the same as the FIDE list (perhaps by design).  FIDE belated added Isaac Kashdan in 1954—he should have been included in the inaugural group in 1950. Quale (talk) 04:20, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I also noticed that about Kashdan and was quite surprised. According to Chessmetrics, he was No. 2 in the world (behind only World Champion Alekhine) briefly in the 1930s. Kashdan was variously ranked as a "Senior Master" and just a "Master" on the USCF rating lists I looked at. But then again, FIDE (inexcusably) never awarded Sultan Khan any title, so I shouldn't be too surprised. Krakatoa (talk) 06:06, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grandmaster (U.S. usage as of 1951) 

message: Liberzon, Kavalek and Pietzsch were all appointed GMs at the FIDE Congress in Havanna in October 1966. Maybe they fulfilled requirements for the title in 1965, but that's not the point. The official approval is the date someone becomes grandmaster, not earlier. SteMicha (talk) 09:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not according to our references.  The FIDE Chess Profile for Lubomir Kavalek says his GM title was in 1965, as do Jeremy Gaige in Chess Personalia and Anne Sunnucks in The Encyclopaedia of Chess and Ken Whyld in Chess The Records.  Liberzon and Pietzsch are dead, so they don't appear on FIDE's website any longer.  They are found in all three of the other references I mentioned, and all have their title years listed as 1965.  According to these references, Furman is the only GM who earned the title in 1966.  It's possible that these references are in error and it's important to keep in mind that it's likely that some of the references copied each other.  Even so, it will require some very strong evidence to conclude that they are all wrong.  Quale (talk) 22:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We can add the Kazic book too - which was efectively the official FIDE record for the pre-1974 title awards - it also gives 1965 for those players in question. Of course, words like confirmed and ratified sometimes get used in connection with the FIDE Congress resolutions. When you pass an exam, did you pass it on the day you took it, or on the day it was marked? I imagine the player gets a certificate following the Congress and that the title award date is backdated to when they fulfilled the criteria. Anyway, we should probably stick with the credible sources. Brittle heaven (talk) 23:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I had forgotten about Bozidar M. Kažić (1974), International Championship Chess.  As you say it is effectively the official FIDE record through 1973. Quale (talk) 06:38, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Approvals 1966 

message: I have removed the claim that Nona Gaprindashvili was not "the first woman to qualify for the men's title through achievement in tournament play."  A summary of how she earned her title can be found on her Wiki page.  The Dorazil rules were already in effect, and evidently they were interpreted in favor of her norms, although I do not know exactly how.  In the absence of a reliable source for a counter-claim, I think we have to take her title at face value.  Bruce leverett (talk) 03:31, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaprindashvili 

message: This section is pretty lightweight for its size.  All of it except the references to the Macieja report or the response by Faulks looks like WP:OR or WP:SYNTH.  I plan to reduce it to a couple of sentences.  Bruce leverett (talk) 04:10, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Grandmaster (chess)#Title inflation|Title inflation]] 

message: From time to time well-meaning editors will "correct" the GM title requirements in grandmaster (chess)#Current regulations to state that three norms are required.  It's easy to find many examples both online and in print that talk about someone having or trying to achieve a third norm in order to earn the GM title.  This is so common that it often seems assumed that three norms are required for a GM.  In fact the title regulations do not require three norms, although most often three norms are submitted in order to fulfill the requirement for 27 games.  FIDE regulations now allow a few competitions to count as extra games for title norms.  Here is a recent example of a GM title awarded to Pavel Anisimov with only two norms.  His result in the 9-game Individual European Championship counted as 20 games for norm purposes: FIDE GM Title Application: Pavel Anisimov.  Quale (talk) 07:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Just FYI, actually FIDE abolished 20-game norms. Norms scored at continental championships used to count as 20-games norms (I don't know when the FIDE regulations changed in this regard, maybe 2012 or so), as well as those achieved at olympiads (the table for direct titles effective from 1 July 2017 no longer mentions 20-game norms, unlike the previous one). Evidently norms achieved in these competitions still count as over 20 games if achieved when old regulations were in effect (see also Andrey Kvon, whose norm at the 2012 olympiad counted as "double"). Sophia91 (talk) 22:22, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of norms required 

message: The articles switches between capitalizing and not capitalizing "grandmaster". Joriki (talk) 23:35, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we please have expert comment on this? Spicemix (talk) 17:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: The article says that to become a chess grandmaster, both criteria must be achieved, then proceeds to list 3 criteria. Does it mean 2 of the three or all three? The⬡Bestagon 08:23, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification required 

message: May I suggest also adding a photo of a female grandmaster? The photos currently included only represent men Grandmasters, and this gives the impression of women Grandmasters missing from the article. Thank you in advance. L'OrfeoSon io 14:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woman Grandmaster photo