Talk:Kalayaan, Palawan

message: Is Kalayaan part of the Spratly group? — Instantnood 18:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. --Howard the Duck 05:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: The intro and most of the rest of this write-up presents it as part of Philippines. The article contains multiple disputed statement such as "Vietnam which occupies 25 islands which China had considered a vassal state and subject to Chinese sovereignty", many of which are original research. 
Facts such as people get arrested or shot in Spratly:
* 2 Chinese merchants killed by Filipinos in Apr. 1996;
* a Chinese fishing boat got shot and sink in May 1999;
* 1 Chinese fisherman Fu Gongwu was shot and killed in May 2000, the only cause was his boat was out of control and drift to the Philippines; 
* In Apr. 27, 2006, 7 fishermen was attacked in Spratly, 4 of them died and 3 of them hurt; all GPS and other fishing tools were loot. 
* 2 Vietnamese fishermen were shot in May 2011)
--58.83.252.65 (talk) 15:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Writing that "Vietnam which occupies 25 islands which China had considered a vassal state and subject to Chinese sovereignty" is fundamentally wrong from all aspects. Firstly, Vietnam only occupies some small islands compared to Taiwan & Philippines' ones, and most of their garrisons are situated on reefs and submerged atolls (not islands) in the western part of Spratlys. Secondly, Vietnamese version of Wikipedia said Vietnam occupied 21 geographical entities, not 25, and the source is prestigious since it's an publication issued by their Navy Command (as local Wikipedians write). Maybe be the author of this information has counted banks such as Prince Consort Bank, Prince of Wales Bank, Alexandra Bank, Vanguard Bank,... and get the number of 25. Lastly, I don't know what they though when writing the funny statement "China had considered [Vietnam] a vassal state and subject to Chinese sovereignty". If so, Chinese history would have had a large section about how the French Colonial Empire invaded & colonized part of the country's territory in 19th and 20th century. I wonder how people judge Wikipedia when they read this kind of nonsense? Autumnyear (talk) 08:03, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
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message: How come there is no bib for all the informations according to this artical?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.141.138.20 (talk) 02:00, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  No bib? 

message: I wonder if Filipino members forget to mention about Balagtas (Irving Reef in English). Some media sources say Philippines controls Balagtas which is close to West York Island. Does Philippines has an official source showing the number of entities the country is controlling effectively? Thank you.
P.S: Interestingly, as I wander around other versions of this article, I notice that the Vietnamese version says Philippines is controlling Irving Reef. Here's a machine translation: 
 Autumnyear (talk) 08:22, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actually, how many Spratlys' entities does the Philippines effectively control? 

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