Talk:MyNetworkTV/Archive 1

message: I reorganized some of the content and added a (commented out) infobox for future reference. Should we also make note that WZMY currently uses the myTV moniker? I couldn't figure out a good way to word it. --Inaxdaze 23:17, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WZMY

message: I've seen a fair bit of unsourced material on Wikipedia regarding the transition from The WB and UPN to CW and now My Network TV. Most of it has been on station pages speculating as to what network they will end up with. PLEASE make sure to cite a source when you are adding material about fututre affiliations and always use the proper wording. "Kxxx has reported that they plan on being a (network name here) affiliate when the (current affiliation) network ceases to exist in September, 2006." rather than "Kxxx will be ..." until they flip the proverbial switch. It is better to leave off speculative information then having to remove it if it doesn't come to fruition. —A 08:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing sources 

message: What is a sister network?? Georgia guy 21:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both My Network and the FOX Network have the same "parent" i.e. 20th Century Fox, so by analogy they are sisters. - Matthew Humphreys 22:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, their parent is News Corp, who happens to also be the parent of 20th Century Fox CoolKatt number 99999 00:38, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or to be even MORE pedantic, News Corp is the parent of FOX Entertainment Group, which is itself the parent of 20th Century Fox and the Fox television companies...Seriously though, my initial answer was sloppy, thanks CoolKatt. --Matthew Humphreys 01:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister network 

message: Should Roger Ailes be listed as a key person? I was under the impression that he was just chairman of Fox News. Does he actually have a connection to this channel? --Inaxdaze 03:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This News Corp press release suggests that Ailes will be involved. --Matthew Humphreys 01:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Roger Ailes?

message: Added the list of affiliates that was announced this past week and cited the source.
I'm wondering if (considering the common NewsCorp ownership) if DirecTV will provide a satellite feed for those of us who end up in markets served by an affiliate (like here in Atlanta, where it is looking increasingly unlikely that we'll get an affiliation, barring the final death of Pax). Someone on a message board made that suggestion (for the local Pax affiliate) recently. --Mhking 23:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 11:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Affiliates

message: Is the general reading public now to be construed as to be so media-savy as to need no further explanation of this term?  Yeah, I know that it means "owned & operated" but does nearly every computer-literate English-speaker nowadays?  This is a serious question, so for now I won't "be bold".  Rlquall 21:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite sure where anyone would get that impression. (I'm not suggesting that was the case with whoever added it. (trying very hard not to break WP:NPA)) I fixed it. Morgan Wick 00:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "O & O" 

message: Fox with another station? King Shadeed 1:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new FOX station? 

message: I heard a rumor that mntv willbe renamed FOX.2, and the Telenovela format will be scrapped.Seamus215 21:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt that will happen yet.  It should stay off the article for now.  --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fox.2

message: Since Desperate Housewives reruns won't be running on My Network TV itself, but rather on just the network's O&Os (and maybe some affiliates, too), I think that any information about DH reruns airing on the O&Os would be better suited to the individual stations' respective articles.  Hence, I've removed the info and links pertaining to the deal to put DH reruns on the MNTV O&Os.--TwoTone 22:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since someone chose to reinstate the DH info, I've gone ahead and removed it again.--TwoTone 22:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''[[Desperate Housewives]]'' Reruns on My Network TV Owned and Operated Stations

message: Just as a personal historical note, I'd like to be watching when my local UPN syndicate goes offline permanently and gives over to MNT. What time of day will this be happening> -Litefantastic 20:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're misunderstanding what this is. The only thing that will be changing at your station from a programming standpoint is that the two hours daily of UPN programming will be replaced by the two hours of My Network programming. (And there's a full day of other programming between the two.) The only real thing that could be considered a precise changeover point would be your station dropping UPN branding for My Network branding, in which case I would wait until midnight, and then watch again early the next morning if it didn't come then. (Note: some stations may change their branding earlier; for example, WMYT in Charlotte has already done so.) Of far more historical interest to me is what UPN and WB will do to sign off on their last nights of programming ever, although that has nothing to do with the stations. Watching when My Network TV first starts in primetime would also be mildly interesting. I'm planning on doing both, as well as watching when the CW first comes on. (Where do you live? That would really help.) Morgan Wick 05:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coming online

message: Sorry about the truncated summary line (darn that errant Enter key push). Here's what I would have said had there been enough room:
:"None" is singular, not plural (it stands for "no one" or "not one"); thus, "was" is correct here. Yes, I know that puts me on the other side of Fowler (who is more flexible), but to me this is a rare case of one needing to be more prescriptive than Fowler. In any case, I cheated and rewrote the sentence to avoid any possible ambiguity on the subject.
More importantly, I also hope that the rest of my rewriting and copyediting pass muster.Yeechang Lee 10:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Was" versus "were" 

message: Please add external links judiciously. Not every news story covering the network needs to go on here. Otherwise this section could reach the length the equivalent CW section reached once upon a time (obscenely huge). Morgan Wick 18:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and removed all of the news articles. From now, I could see it turning into a huge mess of dead links. —Whomp [T] [C] 19:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: http://mynetworktv.com now shows the name as MyNetworkTV. This is a new website. Should a move also occur? -Tracker (>talk) 23:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move 2: My Network TV to MyNetworkTV 

message: What I think should happen in Jacksonville: Fox should move to WJXT, and Clear Channel should take advantage of that, moving CBS to the higher-rated WAWS, and have WTEV take My Network TV. Who else agrees with me? CoolKatt number 99999 00:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jacksonville 

message: Unlike some others here (you weirdos know who you are) I have no particular personal interest in tracking what station goes to which network. I am only interested in readability, accuracy, grammar and punctuation, and encyclopedic content, and along the way somehow ended up contributing multiple edits to this article. Toward jointly meeting these goals, I ask fellow editors to keep the following in mind:
* Terminology. "News Corp" is the right shorthand for News Corporation. "FOX" (with all caps) means the broadcast network (Fox Broadcasting Company) *only*, while "Fox" refers to a variety of *other* News Corp entities. In this article, it always refers to Fox Television Stations Group, which (as opposed to FOX) owns My Network TV. "The WB" and "The CW" should always include definitive articles with leading caps.
* Wikipedia discourages unsourced speculation in articles, and rightly so. You may be absolutely, positively, sure that WXYZ in Nowheresville, Arkansas will affiliate with My Network TV, but unless it's happened (or you can provide a source that speculates as much) don't add it in. (Along those lines, I probably should have completely deleted the sentence alleging a MySpace connection with the name; I did a) move it to a more-appropriate location and b) rewrite it a bit, though.)
* As Morgan Wick rightly put it a few edits back, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. That's why he strongly suggested that everyone only add in information on markets within the top 50 largest that lack My Network TV affilations. There has to be a limit to the quantity of detail in any article and top 50 is one that makes eminent sense in this context. Don't take it personally if this means you can't add information on the machinations that led to station A in your sub-50 market affiliating with The CW and station B being left out of the fun; why, *dozens* of other people are in the same boat!
* Active tense is a good thing. I admit that this is a much-more subjective point than the previous three. Thus, I only rewrite articles into active tense while making other, more objective edits. However, I believe my edits in this article and elsewhere offer abundant proof that active is both more accurate and reads better than passive tense. Yeechang Lee 22:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A plea to fellow editors

message: KDFI my27, the Dallas affiliate, has began running ads with the Bo Derek show 'Secret Obsessions' today, but the title seems to have been changed to 'Fashion House.' Can anyone confirm? Chasektn 01:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It definitely looks as though they are phasing out those broader names - see the [KCOP 13 web site]. Morgan Wick 01:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Just checked out the MNTV web site. They list the two MNTV shows as Desire and Fashion House, which confuses me no end. Does this mean the former Secret Obsessions dramas will be known only by their individual titles, and not a larger banner? Does this mean SO is changing its name to FH after all? (Don't put any of this in the article, of course. Not a crystal ball and all that.) Morgan Wick 01:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Obsessions' title change?

message: An anon added the following sentence: "My Network TV will target a primarily female audience." Is this valid information, PoV, or vandalism? I didn't want to remove it right away, or start an edit war. --Kuroki Mio 2006 19:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The main shows will be telenuevos(spanish soap operas), which are geared towards women. I don't think they have officially said that though. TJ Spyke 01:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really targeted at females? 

message: So I'm unclear-- is the primary programming of this network going to be non-English? The article states,
"For the forseeable future, its schedule will consist entirely of telenovelas."
And it even links to the article on telenovelas, which clearly defines a telenovela as a latin-american television serial. Perhaps the term this article is looking for is Soap Opera? 134.253.26.12 18:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These will be english-language Telenovelas, which are different than endless Soap Operas. Telenovelas have a beninning, a middle and an end - they are closer to mini-series than soap operas. Davodd 18:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can edit the telenovela page, but that doesn't mean the term isn't still STRONGLY associated with latin american soap operas. The wording on MyNetworkTV is still unclear, at best. 134.253.26.9 17:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see your point. Comic Books are English-language originated, but the Japanese have elevated them into a unique art form that transcends language and culture. The same is happening for telenovelas. It is a sign of the times that U.S. TV execs are finally acknowledging a foreign TV art form that doesn't have an origin in Europe. Davodd 20:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish-Language Programming? 

message: Since MNTV's programming will consist of telenovelas, the WP article on that topic is sure to get a lot of hits (we point to it in this article). It is confusing to many people who are using this article as a reference. If you have the time, please head over to Telenovela to help fix it - or at least vote to get it chosen on the Article Improvement Drive to be fixed by the community. The AID link: Wikipedia:Article_Creation_and_Improvement_Drive#Telenovela_.281_vote.2C_stays_until_August_28.29 - Davodd 19:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Telenovela]] is a mess 

message: Recently someone has been reverting my changes to use the 2D version of the MNTV logo at the top of the page, in place of the 3D version used previously / presently.
By way of explanation of my preference for the 2D version, my approach to logos is as follows: The most generic and straightforward, but complete, version of the logo is the logo to be used. There should be no reason to change the logo every year to match the the network's current imaging campaign, provided that the logo itself is fundamentally the same. That is the approach used for the other U.S. networks, where we use simple, 2D logos; I see no reason to take a different approach here. 
However, I am open to persuasion before I change it back again. — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 00:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't bother for now; the consensus (not just here but other media) seems to prefer the 3-D logo.) — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 20:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logos 

message: Check the schedule of your local My Network TV affiliate! Specifically, check their schedule on 9/4! MNTV may be premiering on 9/5 only in the same way the CW is premiering on 9/20! (At least, if WMYD is any indication!) Morgan Wick 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Beat me to it...WCGV's Labor Day schedule on Yahoo TV (hopefully that link works). Looks like they're doing an unofficial soft launch on Labor Day. Nate 03:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've since found several stations that are continuing their old affiliation on that day, not showing the "soft launch". Morgan Wick 06:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could the shows also be airing throughout the week or the weekend before though depending on station, like being fed in the style of the NBC Fall Preview (where stations can take the show and use it to fill any timeslot they wish)? I'm also thinking the Desire and Fashion House shows are just a compilation of the web prequels being shown on the network website, could be wrong. Nate 06:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Premiere special? 

message: I had read on some sites that My Games TV would be part of the network.  I read the official TV week site clearly, and I see it's just syndicated to MNTV stations.  I apologize for the error (CoolKat, KoolCat, or whatever your name is, you could take some lessons in admitting your errors from me).John 05:04, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks for clearing one of my errors up 

message: The article says MyTV is scheduled to launch on September 5th.  I noticed on Saturday (the 2nd) that our local WB affiliate, WTTA, is already marketing themselves as MyTV.User:BucsWeb 17:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless I'm mistaken, all the dates I'm seeing in the article have already passed as of the timestamp of your signature. Lambertman 19:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:   My mistake, I thought it was the 5th when I made that comment. Doric Nash 16:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Launch Date? 

message: Yesterday I added a logo gaallery on this page. First, the "very early" logo I had there is one I saw in a promo for "My TV". It mentioned the shows "Desire" and "Secrets". Second, why have the other two logos everywhere than in one place? So, I feel the logo gallery should come back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.218.205.84 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 10 September 2006
:I can't find any evidence that it's anything other than a local station logo. Did you see it on any station other than those owned by Gray Television? — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 20:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "early logo" was never an official logo of MNTV...it was used by a few affiliates who decided they liked their own look more.--Dleav 12:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logos