Talk:Green vehicle

message: Oh come on, find one example of dust to dust vehicular transport that has a carbon impact of only 0.1% of a normal car. Greg Locock (talk) 13:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 99.9% = Junk Science

message: "A green vehicle is a vehicle that is considered to be more "environmentally friendly" than traditional all-petroleum internal combustion engine vehicles (APICEVs). This is accomplished by having a low dust to dust energy cost."
I'm tempted to ask "says who?". That is a pretty agenda-filled sentence. Is a petrol powered car that gets  passenger less green than an electric car that creates the same CO2 per passenger mile? That sentence says it is. Greg Locock (talk) 21:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The same ?. Are you sure a plug-in flexifuel hybrid is more pollutant than a similar all fossil fuel vehicle ?. For sure it is not.--Mac (talk) 14:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not my point. My point is that the dust to dust energy cost is not necessarily the arbiter of greenness. An EV running on coal may have a lower dust to dust energy content than a petrol car, yet have much higher total CO2 emissions, for example.  Greg Locock (talk) 01:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added new definition namely:
A green vehicle is a vehicle that emits (or emitted) less polluting substances than what was common with other contemporary vehicles of a same size/weight in the particular period it was used in. Green Vehicle Guide | US EPAPresently, the term is used for any vehicle surpassing the Euro6-norm (eg LEV, ULEV, ...). Certain green vehicles may provide a way of sustainable transport.
The norms trough the last 20 years should be added to article (eg euro5-euro4, ...)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.184.236 (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

text: "A 'green vehicle' is a car that that creates less damage to the environment when compared to traditional cars that run solely on petrol."  turn in your homework kids. (you know when an elementary school workbook has a definition that it's elementary) are you now going to argue trivia? pohick (talk) 23:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: what about bikes? Are not they the best green vehicles?--GengisKanhg (my talk) 22:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  bikes 

message: I would argue that the massive amounts of battery acid used in Hybrid vehicles which need to be kept from the water table of the planet disqualify the hybrid as a green vehicle.
::Can you provide a link to information about this so-called "massive" amount of acid?  I mean, how massive can it be when the batteries take up such a small space, and, uh, NiMH batteries are used in some cars (the Prius, for example).  Is there much acid in those ones? PeterHansen 23:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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message: There is also a car dealer called Green Vehicle Showroom in Los Gatos See http://m.siliconvalley.com/articles/263990 --HybridBoy 12:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green Vehicle Showroom 

message: I suggest a section / article about green car media (publications about green cars and vehicles). --Mac (talk) 14:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green car media 

message: Obviously refered to a vehicle that was green in colour in years gone by. Is there no other, proper term for this? Green vehicle seems like a somewhat shoddy marketing buzzword Towel401 (talk) 22:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I see that requests for references for the definition have been outstanding for quite a while, suggesting it is a neologism (or more honestly a made-up phrase). Would you like to suggest that this page should be deleted? Greglocock (talk) 00:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Much to my amusement the recently supplied reference for the term.... doesn't define it. At all. QED. Greglocock (talk) 11:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term 'green vehicle' 

message: Biomass (pure wood) can also be used as a "fuel" (see http://www.biomassauthority.com/a/precer-bioracer-biomass-car/) Not sure where to mention it however, as it probably cant be burned in a ICE engine. Biochar too can probably be mentioned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.165.186 (talk) 09:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Biomass and Biochar cars

message: do we really need this? I don't think so. It seems perilously close to a list of weblinks. Greglocock (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Green Vehicle Motor Shows

message: When does RS mean RIDICULOUS SOURCE? When it suggests that a 21 mpg 4 seater is a green vehicle. Greglocock (talk) 11:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that including an SUV as a green car is ridiculous, but read the details in the source. KBB Green includes cars in several categories, then among SUVs 21 mpg is relatively a high fuel economy as the average is 16 mpg if I am not mistaken. Anyway, the term green car is quite flexible as the examples show.--Mariordo (talk) 13:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My SEVEN seater SUV gets 21 mpUSgallon. Even when towing a 600 kg trailer. Since it is the biggest selling SUV in Australia I guess we've just saved the planet Greglocock (talk) 08:34, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: RS

message: There's a bunch of material which I am hoping to shift out of Sustainable transport and which belongs either here or nowhere, it was shifted there as a merge from Green Transport (which I was never in agreement with, but which could maybe be made to work....).  I'll try to do it with tact and care but feel free to revert.  The Sustainainable Transport page includes some truly strange vehicles claiming to be "green" and some of them (wind powered cars?) probably don't need to be on Wikipedia at all.Travelplanner (talk) 11:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup of Sustainable Transport

message: Perhaps that a truly green vehicle (emissionless, made from cradle to cradle parts) can be implemented. examples are the Ford Model U, the new Jeep Renegade, Edag light car, CQS Group T Racing Team Pegasus (see http://www.cqsgrouptracingteam.be/nl/odyssee/doelstellingen_o ), ...
91.182.9.74 (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Green vehicle image

message: Perhaps it can be mentioned in the table or text that compressed air-ICE cars are 26,7% efficient vs 21,2% for a gasoline ICE and 77,5% for electrochemical battery-powered cars 
ref= http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/044011/fulltext
Note however that MDI mentioned that the base data was wrong= this needed to be 7,5l gasoline/100km  instead of 5,2, thus a difference of 30,5%; this data needs to be implemented to current calculations ( MDI calculated 10,6% for gasoline ICE efficiency)
KVDP (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Energy efficiency table

message: Terms such as Environmentally friendly are biased and constitute Greenwashing.  Lets try to use accepted terms that have some objectivity.  Even "Green" is ambiguous and  can be abused.    Also, not all alternative fuels are better environmentally.  Rlsheehan (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avoid Greenwashing 

message: The tagging of the prius photo with an opinion tag raises a good point. Surely the iconic green vehicle is either a bicycle or a 747, since those seem to be the preffered modes of transport for green politicians? Either way it needs a ref Greglocock (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I will provide several RS, just give me some time, I am quite busy now.--Mariordo (talk) 22:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Better yet, use a different word.   Rlsheehan (talk) 00:09, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a different wording is a better option, as the search shows that the Prius is considered an icon or symbol of green car among the environmental/green car movement. Anyway, here are some sources that might help find the right words. --Mariordo (talk) 23:13, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icon 

message: Here's a new article that you might want to cite in appropriate articles: Kramer, Felix Max Baumhefner. "Good and Green Reasons to Consider an Electric Car This Year", Switchboard, Natural Resources Defense Council, March 5, 2013  -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Reasons to buy an electric car in 2013

message: Since NEV's only need to be able to reach a speed of 45 km/h, the power rating (HP) of the vehicle can be way lower than what it needs to be with highway-capable vehicles (that need to be able to attain 120 km/h).REVAi, an NEV requiring only 7 HP as opposed to 100 HP found in common highway-capable vehicles Since wind resistance becomes ever greater with higher speeds, power ratings of the engines used in vehicles need to be much larger (non-lineair graph).HP required to attain various speeds, includes table with example speeds and HP This also means that much more energy (fuel) is needed to propel the vehicles, and as vehicles are much more powerful and able to attain larger speeds, the possibility of fatal accidents becomes much greater (so the fact that we allow these powerful vehicles to be build results in more deaths).
Include a section in this article about this.
KVDP (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Power rating

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