Talk:Imperial examination

message: rather than calling them "pseudo", i suggest calling them "proto"
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.233.109 (talk • contribs) 07:56, 27 April 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How about just putting them in inverted commas (quotation marks). That would fulfil the same function.Bathrobe 23:18, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pseudo or proto

message: It would be nice if this article told us something about when the examination was used. There are hardly any dates in it :) Zocky 20:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: Minor changes and addition to history; the article seems a bit wordy and indirect.  Will add more on history later.  Kennethtennyson
—Preceding undated comment added 18:49, 28 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: I dunno if the Library of Congress is up for being plagariased, but if it isn't, you might want to change the wording of some of this article to ensure Wikipedia's credibility.
But whatever, we all 'paraphrase' don't we?
Go to http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cntoc.html, and type in 'examination' into the search box to see what i mean.
Cheers,
Lawson
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.164.162.171 (talk • contribs) 10:50, 5 July 2005‎ (UTC)
:It's ok to use LoC's contents since they are in the public domain. -- Taku July 5, 2005 11:16 (UTC)
::You complete idiot. The complaint was about plagiarism, not about copyright violation. It is staggeringly common how many of Wikipedia's editors, who get all worked up about copyright violation, are happy to use a source uncredited if it's in the public domain. The copyright status of a source is an entirely seperate consideration from that of citation. 86.136.4.172 23:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stealing... naughty 

message: Civil service examination redirects here. It shouldn't as civil service examinations are routine operations in many countries, not only in Imperial China.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.228.129.13 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 19 October 2005‎ (UTC)
:Are there any articles on these other examinations?  If not, then it is acceptable for it to redirect here until someone creates something that may apply. -Toptomcat 16:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improper Redirect 

message: I was doing a little research on the examination, and I found that whoever created this article copied the article from . Is this a violation of Wikipedia's policy?  Ez5698 23:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See the copyright notice at the end of the answers.com page.--Skyfiler (talk) 03:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism

message: The curriculum was then expanded to cover the "Five Studies": military strategy, civil law, revenue and taxation, agriculture and geography, and the Confucian classics
Can somebody cite the source on that? I thought the Imperial examination were infamous for their concentration on literature and not practical knowledge? So in Sui dynasty, the imperial examination actually tested practical knowledge, but in the later dynasty it was reverted back to only literature?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.189.203 (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Where the hell is the actual content? This is the internet fer chrissakes! They were giving these tests up until 1905. Someone somewhere has to have a copy or at least a more thorough treatment of the content. (The idea it tested military strategy in particular seems highly dubious.) — LlywelynII 13:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content of Examination 

message: The article states, "With the military defeats in the 1890s and pressure to develop a national school system," and I am curious about this pressure - pressure from whom? Abattis (talk) 08:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hundred Days' Reform is the culmination of such pressure.--Palaeoviatalk 10:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pressure to develop national school system? 

message: I don't think that the current English translations of:
"having seized the head of Ao" ((占鳌头 [Zhàn ào tóu]), or "having alone seized the head of Ao" (独占鳌头 [Dú zhàn ào tóu])
are correct. I believe that "占" here relates to occupying a physical position only (i.e. next to the statue) and does not have the sense of "seize" - that would be far too strong a meaning for this character (possible confusion here with “战" ?）
My suggestions would be  "to have stood at the head of Ao" or "to have stood alone at Ao's head"
Philg88 (talk) 12:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you completely. --Palaeoviatalk 13:06, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ao Idioms - Section - Details of Imperial examination 

message: The first usage on this page was BC, so it sticks.
Given the first actual exams weren't given until the Sui, the page could surely be rewritten to avoid the issue almost entirely. That said, see above. — LlywelynII 23:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Repeated violations of [[WP:ERA]]

message: Can someone please remove the bit about the Great Divergence and how Europe sped ahead because the Chinese system was limited. If anything, this early form of meritocracy helped China diverge from Europe, to become more powerful in all measurable ways. I'm a little sick of this white supremacy -tinged trope that's been so much a part of discourse about other cultures. Thanks.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kansubrave (talk • contribs) 20:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Eurocentrism

message: Is there a list of the top candidates and their biographic details? 81.129.179.74 (talk) 02:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a record of all the top candidates? 

message: There were military schools for training before taking the exam.
http://books.google.com/books?id=YE6Va-Fe1coC&pg=PA152#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=bs1Qw7yv-DQC&pg=PA212#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 01:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The military examinations probably deserve their own article. Although, more information would also be useful here. Dcattell (talk) 15:00, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

text: I agree. It's an important topic. Thanks again to Rajmaan, who must never sleep! ch (talk) 16:44, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  More information on the military examination 

message: Broadly in line with the issue above, the article claims that the system came to Europe via the UK, in the 19th century. Is there any reference for that? My understanding was that elements were brought in much earlier, and that it did not all come via Great Britain, but already influenced from other travellers. Hundnase (talk) 09:51, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question -- the reference is a classic article, widely cited, but hidden below in a section towards the end:  Ssu-yu Teng, "Chinese Influence on the Western Examination System", Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies 7 (1942-1943): 267-312. Maybe the present footnote #1 in the lede is not as good as Teng.ch (talk) 16:45, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed  because notes are not needed in the lede if the information is sourced in the article, and because this is a tertiary source, that is, its source for this information (on p. 12) is another tertiary source "Wriggins 1973)," which is another text.ch (talk) 16:55, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction of system in Europe 

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