Talk:Peranakan Chinese

message: As a part of community who speaks Creole Baba-Hokkien who uses the term, I want to emphasise that ‘Kiauseng’ is not synonymous to ‘Peranakan’. It is an ‘exonym’ labelled for people outside the Baba-Hokkien speaking community in Eastern coasts Sumatra. Kiau (Qiao/侨) + seng (shen/生) refers to Hokkiau + Folks. The term Kiauseng is not used by Penang Peranakans who refer themselves as Huan-Peng Lang. The term is used in Medan, North Sumatra, to refer to foreign Non-Mainland Chinese who did not assimilate to Hokkien Peranakan Patois spoken by the old communities in Northern Malaya and Sumatra. Most of Medanese elders would agree that Kiauseng is not the same as Peranakan or Babanyonya, as Medanese has its own babanyonya communities in the past. A lot of ‘Hokkienised’ term such as Hokkiau and Tionghoa are not used and were not use colloquially by Hokkien speaking communities. Most of people often labelled as Kiauseng are people of usually 3rd-4th generation who do not even exhibit old creolised Hokkien-Malay culture, but instead displaying Orde Baru forced-assimilation identity. Most kiauseng people do not speak creolised patois, but only borrowed Hokkien lingo from Batavian, Sundanese and Javanese peranakans. In short Kiauseng are fully assimilated Chinese in Nusantara. You will tend to find old Peranakan communities in Java to be more Chinese than Kiauseng-s. Thus in the spirit of multiculturalism vs assimilation, I do not think that Kiauseng-s are Peranakan. They don’t speak a uniquely Peranakan/Creole Patois and they don’t display uniquely Peranakan/Creole culture or behaviour. 120.21.9.146 (talk) 10:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiauseng is not synonymous to Peranakan 

message: Peranakan term actually it originally from Malacca means "Kacukan/Mix" in between bloods or culture , Why the tittle put Peranakan? Peranakan and Chinese Peranakan (Baba&Nyonya) are two different things !
Example :
Peranakan 
1.Baba&Nyonya
2.Chetty
3.Kristang
4.Eurasia
5.Samsam
6.Jawi peranakan/Mamak
Peranakan origin from Malacca and has two major spread to Penang  and Singapore . 
1. Penang > Southern Thailand > Bangkok 
2. Singapore > Riau Islands > Java Islands
2402:1980:2A3:FD3D:0:0:0:1 (talk) 00:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peranakan  

message: Kindly refer the term of Peranakan in Dewan Bahasa and Pustaka. 
It come from malay word and not only consits of chinese ancestry but it is wide term
Definition: 1. descendants of a country's child and a foreigner:; 2. born in: young people ~ Melaka; 3. uterus (where the baby is in the stomach), womb: pain
Do refer to https://prpm.dbp.gov.my/Cari1?keyword=peranakan
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Visnu92 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Peranakan not only chinese

message: User:Visnu92, User:Bennv123, User:Shirt58, opening this discussion regarding the proposed trim. I think it would be best if those in favor of the trim would explain their concerns with the current sourcing. Please feel free to ping anyone I may have missed who has been involved in this dispute. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:4D61:46E2:1501:4B6F (talk) 03:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps , who was recently blocked for 48 hours for similar edits, should be pinged too. Bennv123 (talk) 03:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed trim 

message: I'm probably missing a few, but at the very least Chinese Peranakan, Baba dan Nyonya, Straits-born Chinese, and Baba-Nyonya have all been suggested as possibilities. I'm trying to keep this open-ended so feel free to suggest additional alternatives in the survey.
To summarize as best I can, while Peranakan was originally restricted to the descendants of Chinese immigrants, it is no longer used exclusively for them but for descendants of other immigrant populations as well. The article as currently structured still focuses primarily on the more limited group. So we are trying to figure out how to deal with this.
One possible resolution that has come up repeatedly is moving the page to a more restrictive title such as the ones listed above.
This is not an attempt to foreclose on other possible resolutions that have come up such as expanding the current article to avoid issues with undue weight instead. I just wanted to get the ball rolling on discussion and try to solicit more outside input from the community. I'm happy to hear out everyone's thoughts on this and welcome alternative suggestions both for potential move destinations and alternative resolutions that do not require a move. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:BDC2:D617:CAB6:BBF1 (talk) 04:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Extended explanation

message: This article is full of grammatical mistakes and only refers to one source. Someone needs to fix it. 184.22.158.33 (talk) 04:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this refers to the machine translation of the Malay article :ms:Peranakan.  not sure if "identity" is the right word, but you can see above couple of sections some discussion on the matter. CMD (talk) 06:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is a mess