Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Melbourne/Suburbs

message: ===Current Suburb box syntax===
For simplicities sake I have renamed the Infoboxes:
====MelbSuburbBox1====
Syntax:
 
====MelbSuburbBox2====
Syntax:
 
*Box1 advantages
**Simpler box syntax - keeps pages easy to edit
*Box2 advantages
**Allows for multiple suburbs per cell
**Allows for article titles outside the (suburb), Victoria standard
-- Chuq 01:51, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put this into action at Template:MelbSuburbBox1/Water (likewise for MSB2). I didn't want to modify the main template for now, but I'm beginning to use the water one where needed. --Evan C (Talk) 10:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suburb Adjaceny Tables

message: For simplicities sake I have renamed the Infoboxes:
====MelbSuburbBox1====
Syntax:
 
====MelbSuburbBox2====
Syntax:
 
*Box1 advantages
**Simpler box syntax - keeps pages easy to edit
*Box2 advantages
**Allows for multiple suburbs per cell
**Allows for article titles outside the (suburb), Victoria standard
-- Chuq 01:51, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Suburb box syntax

message: Syntax:
 
*Box1 advantages
**Simpler box syntax - keeps pages easy to edit
*Box2 advantages
**Allows for multiple suburbs per cell
**Allows for article titles outside the (suburb), Victoria standard
-- Chuq 01:51, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: MelbSuburbBox2

message: Many people seem to have raised the issue of highlighting bodies of water conveniently and clearly in the current box format, so I've come up with this:
Template (temporary location): User:Evan C/Sandbox
It works, and isn't hard to do. It's not a perfectly "clean" solution, but we're not going to get one with the current templating system. I haven't put it into the real template yet in case there are issues with it that I'm not seeing.
Cheers --Evan C (Talk) 02:43, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put this into action at Template:MelbSuburbBox1/Water (likewise for MSB2). I didn't want to modify the main template for now, but I'm beginning to use the water one where needed. --Evan C (Talk) 10:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for highlighting bodies of water 

message: Hope you all don't mind, but I'm going to "steal" a lot of your concepts! - Ta bu shi da yu 04:32, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sydney WikiProject 

message: Now, don't get me wrong, I think there is some use in geographically linking the suburbs with these tables, but recently a sum total of two people have spoken out against them! Anyway, that leads to a valid point - we may consider them useful, but that is our naturally biased opinion, havig spent so much energy on the whole thing. Wikipians at large may not agree. I don't know, so I suggest we open this up on the Village Pump and ask for some general opinions on whether or not people would find these tables useful. If the vast majority think not, it may need rethinking, but there's only one way to find out...
Also, if we are going to work with the WPS folks on a shared format for suburb articles, we ought to have just the one discussion spot, not two. I would naturally suggest here ( :P ), but whatever works is fine with me.
T.P.K. 06:21, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely think a comment on VP would be good.  Maybe the discussion could be held at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities pages, and linked from the VP.  (Having it on WP:Melb would stir the Sydney people up!  That would be as crazy as, say, having an AFL Grand Final at the MCG with no Melbourne teams playing ;) )The suburb articles definitely need some form of geographical identification, whether it be a locator map of Melbourne, or an adjacent suburb box, or something along those lines. -- Chuq 12:38, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, from VP it appears that the Canadians have done it and they've been kept there dispite some negative feedback. I don't think we need to worry though. T.P.K. 08:42, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: These are known problems.  I believe that the ease of using the templates outweighs them.  No 1, would be good to do, would be nice if we could include a variable like wnorthwest=yes and have the template code insert the right bgcolor tag to make the northwest cell blue, but the template code isn't that powerful.  No 2, its just my opinion, but I think it looks better with the suburb name being duplicated in two different cells - it makes it more obvious they are cardinal directions. -- Chuq 03:22, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: I've updated Hawthorn East to the new template.  I lived there for 20 years, so I felt it was my duty :)  I'm actually not sure I've got it right - I was sort of going off the Melways site, and ended up with Kew being both north and northwest.  As always, feel free to update it. --Stevage 13:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usefulness of these tables 

message: I have looked at all articles in the List of Melbourne suburbs and made a guesstimate of percentage complete for each one.  I have rated each article between 0.10 for a basic stub to 1.00 for a virtually complete article. Examples of complete articles would include Brunswick, Frankston, Belgrave, Doncaster East, Somers and North Melbourne. 
I am unsure as to which of the outer suburbs are included within the boundary of Greater Melbourne. Does anyone know if there is a definitive list? 
On the assumption that all suburbs in the list require articles, then the overall progress for Melbourne suburbs, as at 31 January, 2006, is 24%. 
Based on the above numbers a league table of Melbourne Cities and Shires looks like this:
Position	Name of City/Shire           	No. of Suburbs	%Complete
1       	City of Melbourne            	12.5          	0.69
2       	City of Moreland             	12.5          	0.63
3       	City of Yarra                	9.5           	0.61
4       	City of Darebin              	7.5           	0.53
5       	City of Knox                 	10.0          	0.50
6       	City of Wyndham              	9.0           	0.40
7       	City of Boroondara           	11.5          	0.38
8       	City of Manningham           	10.0          	0.38
9       	City of Frankston            	6.0           	0.37
10      	City of Moonee Valley        	13.5          	0.34
11      	City of Port Phillip         	10.0          	0.30
12      	City of Whitehorse           	15.0          	0.28
13      	City of Monash               	13.0          	0.24
14      	City of Banyule              	18.0          	0.21
15      	Shire of Yarra Ranges        	49.0          	0.20
16      	City of Stonnington          	8.5           	0.20
17      	City of Kingston             	20.0          	0.20
18      	City of Hume                 	23.0          	0.20
19      	Shire of Nillumbik           	19.5          	0.19
20      	City of Greater Dandenong    	10.0          	0.19
21      	City of Hobsons Bay          	9.0           	0.18
22      	City of Maribyrnong          	9.0           	0.18
23      	City of Whittlesea           	11.5          	0.18
24      	City of Bayside              	8.5           	0.18
25      	City of Maroondah            	11.0          	0.18
26      	Shire of Mornington Peninsula	35.0          	0.17
27      	City of Casey                	23.0          	0.17
28      	City of Glen Eira            	12.0          	0.15
29      	Shire of Melton              	10.0          	0.12
30      	City of Brimbank             	17.5          	0.10
31      	Shire of Cardinia            	43.0          	0.07
Note: Some suburbs are shared between cities, hence numbers such as 8.50 suburbs.
If you live in an area down at the bottom of the table perhaps you might consider adopting one or two of your local suburbs for future articles. Eric.Cuddy Wifter 04:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cuddy/Eric, you are my new hero! I live in Knox, and I study in Whitehorse. I also have some ties to cities/shires at the bottom of the table, like Cardinia and even the Mornington Penisula/Yarra Ranges. This will be a good idea to include the 80 WikiMelburnians, no matter where they happen to live. Let's get some good work done this fortnight. I'm sure suburbs like Cranbourne and Lyndhurst can be worked on. --EuropracBHIT 06:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progress update Jan 31, 2006 

message: Hello. I'm from Adelaide and I have come and created council templates along the lines of those in Adelaide. Likewise templates have been created for all the councils in Melbourne, which can be added appropriately by . The list of subrubs was based on the corresponding article for the council. I have been adding these things at the bottom of the relevant suburb. Blnguyen 04:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Council Templates 

message: Just to notify anyone interested, I've just spent the last 5 hours or so (hey - I lost track of time :P) filling in the table of every suburb that had the MelbSuburbBoxIncomplete template. They're mostly 3x3s, for now anyway. However I couldn't locate Clayton North on Street-Directory.com.au or in my hardcopy Melway, so I couldn't do that.
Must sleep now. Cheers --Evan C 16:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great effort Evan. While you were sleeping I filled in Clayton North for you. - Cuddy Wifter 23:02, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I'm sure there are many, many, many more suburbs - even metro suburbs that didn't have the MelbSuburbBoxIncomplete template on them, so we have a long way to go yet... --Evan C (Talk) 02:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A LOT of suburb adjacency tables filled in 

message: I have recalculated my guesstimate of percentage complete for Melbourne Suburbs articles. Here is the updated "league table" of Melbourne Cities and Shires.
Pos'n	Name of City/Shire           	No. of Suburbs	%Complete Jan. 31 '06	%Complete April 19 '06
1    	City of Melbourne            	12.5          	0.69                 	0.71
2    	City of Moreland             	12.5          	0.63                 	0.65
3    	City of Yarra                	9.5           	0.61                 	0.56
4    	City of Knox                 	10.0          	0.50                 	0.54
5    	City of Darebin              	7.5           	0.53                 	0.46
6    	City of Frankston            	6.0           	0.37                 	0.44
7    	City of Manningham           	10.0          	0.38                 	0.44
8    	City of Whitehorse           	15.0          	0.28                 	0.43
9    	City of Boroondara           	11.5          	0.38                 	0.43
10   	City of Wyndham              	9.0           	0.40                 	0.42
11   	City of Moonee Valley        	13.5          	0.34                 	0.39
12   	City of Monash               	13.0          	0.24                 	0.34
13   	City of Stonnington          	8.5           	0.20                 	0.34
14   	City of Bayside              	8.5           	0.18                 	0.34
15   	City of Port Phillip         	10.0          	0.30                 	0.33
16   	City of Hume                 	23.0          	0.20                 	0.28
17   	City of Maribyrnong          	9.0           	0.18                 	0.27
18   	Shire of Nillumbik           	19.5          	0.19                 	0.27
19   	City of Whittlesea           	11.5          	0.18                 	0.26
20   	Shire of Yarra Ranges        	49.0          	0.20                 	0.25
21   	City of Banyule              	18.0          	0.21                 	0.24
22   	City of Kingston             	20.0          	0.20                 	0.24
23   	Shire of Mornington Peninsula	35.0          	0.17                 	0.22
24   	City of Hobsons Bay          	9.0           	0.18                 	0.22
25   	City of Greater Dandenong    	10.0          	0.19                 	0.22
26   	City of Maroondah            	11.0          	0.18                 	0.22
27   	City of Casey                	23.0          	0.17                 	0.21
28   	City of Glen Eira            	12.0          	0.15                 	0.20
29   	Shire of Melton              	10.0          	0.12                 	0.15
30   	City of Brimbank             	17.5          	0.10                 	0.14
31   	Shire of Cardinia            	43.0          	0.07                 	0.08
* Note: Some suburbs are shared between cities, hence numbers such as 8.50 suburbs.
The overall progress for Melbourne suburbs, as at 19 April, 2006, is 29%. My estimate is that 18 articles are complete, 62 are more than 50% complete, 161 are between 20 and 50% complete, 183 are stubs and 55 have not been started.
The following suburbs are estimated at over 70% complete. May I suggest that all participants in the Melbourne Project consider this list and adopt one or two of these articles which, with a little effort, can boost the completed list. If you wish to look at examples of completed articles check these :Brunswick, Frankston, 
Belgrave, Doncaster East, Somers and North Melbourne.
City of Melbourne
* Carlton
* West Melbourne
City of Port Phillip
* Port Melbourne
* St Kilda
City of Yarra
* Abbotsford
* Fitzroy
City of Hume
* Broadmeadows
* Sunbury
* Tullamarine
City of Moonee Valley
* Strathmore
City of Moreland
* Coburg North
* Glenroy
Shire of Nillumbik
* North Warrandyte
City of Whittlesea
* Mill Park
City of Boroondara
* Canterbury
* Kew
* Surrey Hills
City of Knox
* Ferntree Gully
City of Whitehorse
* Blackburn North
* Blackburn South
* Box Hill North
Shire of Yarra Ranges
* Mount Dandenong
* Selby
City of Bayside
* Black Rock
City of Kingston
* Dingley Village
City of Maribyrnong
* Footscray
City of Wyndham
* Hoppers Crossing
* Point Cook
* Werribee
Cuddy Wifter 06:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Progress update April 19, 2006

message: Update of Melbourne Suburbs articles. Here is the updated "league table" of Melbourne Cities and Shires.
Pos'n	Name of City/Shire           	No. of Suburbs	%Complete Jan. 31 '06	%Complete April 19 '06	%Complete Aug 2 '06
1    	City of Melbourne            	13.5          	0.69                 	0.71                  	0.69
2    	City of Moreland             	12.5          	0.63                 	0.65                  	0.65
3    	City of Yarra                	9.5           	0.61                 	0.56                  	0.58
4    	City of Knox                 	10.0          	0.50                 	0.54                  	0.57
5    	City of Darebin              	7.5           	0.53                 	0.46                  	0.57
6    	City of Manningham           	10.0          	0.38                 	0.44                  	0.49
7    	City of Whitehorse           	16.0          	0.28                 	0.43                  	0.48
8    	City of Wyndham              	9.0           	0.40                 	0.42                  	0.43
9    	City of Stonnington          	8.5           	0.20                 	0.34                  	0.43
10   	City of Boroondara           	11.5          	0.38                 	0.43                  	0.41
11   	City of Moonee Valley        	13.5          	0.34                 	0.39                  	0.41
12   	City of Port Phillip         	10.0          	0.30                 	0.33                  	0.41
13   	City of Frankston            	7.0           	0.37                 	0.44                  	0.39
14   	City of Bayside              	8.5           	0.18                 	0.34                  	0.37
15   	City of Maribyrnong          	9.0           	0.18                 	0.27                  	0.34
16   	City of Monash               	14.0          	0.24                 	0.34                  	0.33
17   	City of Hume                 	23.0          	0.20                 	0.28                  	0.30
18   	City of Banyule              	18.0          	0.21                 	0.24                  	0.29
19   	City of Hobsons Bay          	9.0           	0.18                 	0.22                  	0.29
20   	City of Whittlesea           	11.5          	0.18                 	0.26                  	0.28
21   	Shire of Nillumbik           	19.5          	0.19                 	0.27                  	0.27
22   	Shire of Yarra Ranges        	49.0          	0.20                 	0.25                  	0.27
23   	City of Glen Eira            	12.0          	0.15                 	0.20                  	0.27
24   	Shire of Mornington Peninsula	35.0          	0.17                 	0.22                  	0.26
25   	City of Kingston             	20.0          	0.20                 	0.24                  	0.25
26   	City of Greater Dandenong    	10.0          	0.19                 	0.22                  	0.23
27   	City of Maroondah            	11.0          	0.18                 	0.22                  	0.23
28   	City of Casey                	24.0          	0.17                 	0.21                  	0.21
29   	Shire of Melton              	10.0          	0.12                 	0.15                  	0.17
30   	City of Brimbank             	17.5          	0.10                 	0.14                  	0.17
31   	Shire of Cardinia            	43.0          	0.07                 	0.08                  	0.08
* Note: Some suburbs are shared between cities, hence numbers such as 8.50 suburbs.
The overall progress for Melbourne suburbs, as at 2 Augustl, 2006, is 32%. My estimate is that 22 articles are complete, 75 are more than 50% complete, 176 are between 20 and 50% complete, 163 are stubs and 48 have not been started. - Cuddy Wifter 04:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Progress update August 2, 2006

message: I have taken a look at progress for Melbourne suburbs articles which, as at January 17, 2008, I estimate at 44% complete. My guesstimate is that 26 articles are virtually complete, 143 are over 50% complete, 190 are between 45 and 25% complete, 107 are basic stubs and 17 have not been started. Anyone looking to "adopt" a Melbourne related article should check out any of the above list of suburbs which are mostly still stubs. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 20:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Progress update January 17, 2008