Talk:Mayan languages

message: Per discussion on my talk pg, it is probably time to give the FA nom for this a shot. Maybe 1 or 2 things to determine before proceeding:
#Any changes to the migration model map, per above discussion? Probably the caption should be amended, at the least.
#The few remaining redlinked articles should either be created (short stubs would do), or the link removed.
#Maybe a final pass for typos, matching up cites/refs and formatting consistency- minor stuff which can sometimes be commented upon.
It would also be good to ensure that once nominated the major contributors Maunus, Homunq, Madman et al are generally available at the time to address any concerns which might be forthcoming. Anyone else got final comments?--cjllw | TALK 03:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not really sure about the migration map.  A better one would be good, but it is the only map the clearly shows the relative location of Wastek.  Rewriting the caption may well be sufficient.  Looking through the images I am uncertain about :Image:Idiomasmap.jpg.  It is labeled GFDL but the sourcing is unclear.  I am tempted to remove it as largely redundant to the other languages map at least until my question on the uploaders page about the source has been answered.  I'll be happy to help with any grunt work (like converting refs) if it is necessary but obviously some our other userers are in a better position to ake content edits.  Eluchil404 06:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, although that languages map was uploaded by Authenticmaya, it seems to be a product of Comisión de Oficialización de los Idiomas Indígenas de Guatemala, and as such its licensing status is a bit unclear. It may be best to remove it, as any doubtful attribution would count against the article's FA nom.--cjllw | TALK 07:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the guatemap  can be removed with no further ado, it is redundant. I think it will be enough to name that mayance is formed in analogy with romance and that it is used by a minority of linguists. I will be here to attend to any surging matters from monday on. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 07:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will be going thru the article for a "final pass" and would be happy to remake the migration map, if you say the word (and supply information).  It would be nice to have that map in the same colors as the other one.  FYI, Madman 12:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final FA prep 

message: Maunus, you removed the following:
The wide influence of the Mayan culture and languages during this period is demonstrated by the etymology of the English word "hurricane". At the root of "hurricane" is the name of a Classic Mayan deity associated with tempests called Jun Raqan "one leg"; The J sounds as  in the ALMG orthography. but the word came into English indirectly, probably through Carib via Spanish. This suggests that Classic Maya traders had spread their influence beyond Mesoamerica to the Caribbean region.
...I agree it's unsourced, so fine; but I liked it, so I'm leaving it here in case anyone can find the source on it. --Homunq 02:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's something interesting: . It claims that the word came originally from Taino - the clear Mayan etymology argues against that, but that could be pasted on afterwards (I know there's a good linguistic term for that but I don't know it. Episomething? Metasomething?). Either way, the contact is documented, and we have an excuse to put back a bit that will probably be the first thing that gets into any elementary school report written from this article. Oh, but the "Carib" should be "Arawak", something I actually suspected but was hoping to hide, again, for better "oh, yeah - caribbean" recognition for the young'uns. Shame on me. --Homunq 02:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This etymology has also been discussed recently at Talk:Huracan#Verification. --cjllw | TALK 02:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  The problem is that the "clear Maya etymology" is not very well founded and that the statement about carribean influence was unsourced.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 08:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to "hurricane"? 

message: The article states that in K'iche'an-Mamean,  became [x]. However, in the table on the evolution of , Mam, K'iche', and Kaqchikel were shown as having "X" for Proto-Mayan , which I had interpreted as a uvular fricative, and changed to  accordingly...is this incorrect? What's the story here? --Miskwito 22:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a velar fricative, not uvular. Simply used the wrong x. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 09:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question on the evolution of Proto-Mayan {{IPA|[ŋ]}}

message: While I'm asking questions, I'll also point out two things in the Morphosyntactic Alignment tables that caught my eye:
#Kaqchikel ix-samajel is transcribed as , which I can't imagine being correct, and
#Kaqchikel rukej is transcribed as  (it was originally "[y]", rather than [j], but I assumed that was an Americanist symbol creeping in by mistake or something and changed it to [j]). Why is  here spelled <j>?
Thanks in advance, --Miskwito 22:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catches. The IPA is wrong in both cases. --Homunq 00:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Fixed. I haven't indicated that Kaqchikel sometimes underpronounces word-final consonants, though. Also, it's ixsamajel - the hyphenation is only for the purposes of the illustration.--Homunq 00:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistencies?

message: This article is undergoing review for FA status. One reviewer has suggested that it needs copyediting. Any help would be appreciated. --Homunq 00:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL The request on the page there should be enough. I don't the article doesn't need it so badly that the template would be necessary anymore. Circeus 01:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  As per Circeus 

message: I've never heard tonal Tzotzil... where is that dialect? Also, I've been told by various people that Mam is tonal, yet that's not mentioned. --Homunq 14:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mam is not tonal according to any of my sources (England has written her dissertaion on Mam and doesn't mention it)(However Uspantec has been called uspantec mam and is tonal). The tonal dialect of Tzotzil is Tzotzil of san Bartolo (Suárez 1983 p51).·Maunus· ·ƛ· 14:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We need some references for the glyph section I have inserted relevant  tags. Could someone dig up the references?·Maunus· ·ƛ· 16:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tonal? (recent addition) 

message: I won't add it myself since I don't have a source for it, but it should probably be noted somewhere that the names of several of the Mayan languages (Acatec, Aguacatec, Chicomuceltec, Huastec, Jacaltec, Sacapultec, Tectitec, Uspantec, and probably Yucatec) are actually Nahuatl, and what the Mayan names for them are (e.g. Huastec speakers call their language Tenek, etc.) --Ptcamn 06:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: most of those exonyms are neologisms dating back only to the nineteen seventies or even later. Kaufman for example named akatek, tektitek and awakatek. They are formed from the name of the main town they are spoken - towns that have nawatl names - however i think it is arguable if the exonyms can b said to be nahuatl. I think there is good reason to believe that -teco has entered the spanish language as a productive suffix to produce langaue names. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 07:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exonyms 

message: Can we make the reflist smaller and possibly into two columns?·Maunus· ·ƛ· 21:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It shows up as small font size and in two columns for me... --Miskwito 21:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh. Me too now that I'm back at my own computer.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 22:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That trick only works for firefox IIRC.Circeus 21:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would explain it. The reflist is about a kilometer I'm viewing it in IE again.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 21:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here (the computer I'm on right now has IE; my normal computer has Firefox). Bummer! --Miskwito 21:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reflist

message: I was gonna edit this article some, perhaps adding cquotes (the big blue quotation marks which I think are extremely visually appealing, but some folks snobbishly refer to as "cartoon quotes") for a long quotation, but since it's FAC I'll let its dedicated editors make the call. :-) Portions of this quote look useful to me:
:* Choi, Jinsook (2002). The Role of Language in Ideological Construction of Mayan Identities in Guatemala. Texas Linguistic Forum 45: 22-31 Proceedings of the Tenth Annual Symposium about Language and Society—Austin, April 12-14.
* Later, --Ling.Nut 18:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect! We were in need of sources to quote on that particular topic!·Maunus· ·ƛ· 20:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  knock knock 

message: The notes are small, but then the refs sections has normal text size again... would smaller look better? Something like this would work:

* many refs here

* --Ling.Nut 23:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  small-sized reference text? 

message: The construction of this section bothers me.  First it relies on the opinions of a small number of linguists to present a simplified, uncontested, story of the evolution and divergence of the many maya languages.  I see too much of a reliance on the SIL (throught the ethnologue.com references) idea of how languages relate without any acknowledgement that much of this is contested by other scholars.  The one that got me, though, was the statement, attributed to Lyle Campbell, that the Maya languages dominated the Xinca and Lenca because loan words flowed from Maya to these languages.  Gee, loan words indicate contact and do not by themselves indicate domination. Rsheptak 19:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That depends on which semantic domains the loanwords belong. SIl is used only as a source to population numbers and locations and for that SIL is quite relibale - ythey are not reliable for genetic classification and they have not been used for this purpose. Campbell and Kaufman are the two foremost experts on mayan linguistic history - their opinions are in no way characterizable as fringe views. Secondly the field of linguists working with mayan historical linguistics IS very small I simply do not know of any qualified contest to their views. (Maya domination of Xinca and Lenca cultures is also well established throuhg archeology and ethnohistory)·Maunus· ·ƛ· 20:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maunus, I didn't say their opinions were "fringe", just that there's not total unanimity.  But I really can't imagine what evidence you refer to when you wrote "Maya domination of the Xinca and Lenca cultures is also well established through archaeology and ethnohistory".  At what time is this domination supposed to take place?  Where?  Is there some particular piece of literature you coud refer me to on that point, especially about the Lenca? Rsheptak 21:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Archeology in my understanding is in agreement that by the beginning of the classic period the maya were the dominant power in souhern mesoamerica - both highland and lowland. I have seen references which i cannot remmeber at present to colonial documents describing the xinca polities as subject to postclassic maya states. However I wouldn't object at all to that formulation being changed or struck altogether - it is not really interesting to the topic of lmayan languages. I do think Campbell mentions maya influence in xinca and lenca in his short paragraphs on Mayan languages in Campbell 1997. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 21:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Anyway: just because the article is now promoted to FA doesn't mean that it can't bcome better. If you can improve the history section and add other views to some events - by all means please do.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 21:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I dunno about the recent inclusion of a brief mention about this Mayan-lang. historical doc in the text. Partly since it's more relevant to something like Mesoamerican literature, but mostly because its authenticity (as a genuine and faithful copy of some earlier doc and oral history) has been open to dispute. While it may or may not be genuine, it would probably take up too much unwarranted space here to go into an explanation of it. I think we should have an article on this doc (although the present version needs complete rewriting as it is taken from another site, even if the site's author and the article's are one and the same), but given its unclear status I'd rather not see it rolled into other articles on equal footing as (say) the Popol Vuh.--cjllw | TALK 03:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Songs of Dzitbalche]] 

message: I'm surprised that neither Yuri Knorosov nor Tatiana Proskouriakoff are mentioned in the article. Just another anti-Russian conspiracy, I suppose... :) --Ghirla-трёп- 06:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are mentioned in the article about Mayan hieroglyphs which is the field where they made their contributions, neither of them were linguists.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 07:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prominent scholars 

message: Why aren't featured articles freaking protected?
:Because that would go against the nature of the Wikipedia.  We can't protect every featured article, because some random newbie might have a whole ton of information they're willing to add to the article.  We'd rather fight the vandalism that occurs than block all good information.  Vandalism is easy to deal with, good knowledge isn't as easy to come across. Jsc83 23:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just wondering 

message: Someone put a  template ("verification needed") in the "Core Quichean" section. I was going to remove it, but then I poked around a bit on Ethnologue. I couldn't find Quetzaltenango listed with these languages; only with Southern Mam. Y'all would know better than I would... Ling.Nut 17:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "verification needed" tag 

message: The color coding in this article needs to conform with Wikipedia:MOS#Color coding.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It had the color coding when it passed FA - and it was supported by User:OaxacaDan who is red/green colour blind and has asked for color coding to be modified in other cases.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 19:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color coding 

message: :::IS THERE A REASON FOR THE MASSIVE INDENTING AND all caps?
::::::::IT MAKES IT HARDER TO READ THAN NECESSARY. -- Jeandré, 2008-05-13t13:34z
Yes, there is a good reason why the references are formatted that way. Ironically, it's to make it easier for a reader to identify a particular entry in a lengthy bibliographical listing. For much the same reasons that we use spacesinbetweenwords, paragraphs to break up slabs of text, and why we offset/indent successive comments on talk pages: so that it is easier to pick out where one conceptual unit ends and other begins. Most of the citations here run longer than a single line, and would not be readily differentiated one from the other without some visual cue. 
You do not read a bibliography in the same way as you read 'normal' paragraphs of text- the object of a bibliography is to be able to find and identify a given reference. Take a look at any non-fiction book that you may have, that contains a bibliography- I practically guarantee you that it will be formatted by some sort of typographical device —hanging indents, caps, bolding, positioning & spacing, or some combination of these— in such a way that (a) each entry is visually distinct, and (b) the identifying keywords the reader will be looking for (ie, primarily authors' names) can be picked out from the sorted list. Using caps (actually, they are ) to highlight keywords obviously serves a different purpose and does not carry the same meaning as when it is done in a NORMAL SENTENCE, like THIS.
There are limitations to what can be achieved through wiki formatting options without making the coding too complicated, and differences in appearance browser-to-browser that exist anyway; may not be a perfect solution, but no one format is going to please everyone. --cjllw ʘ TALK 04:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: REFERENCE FORMATTING.

message: Nahuatl#Stylistics is a good section, most of the phenomena it describes are applicable to Mayan languages as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.106.175.189 (talk) 20:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  nahuatl "stylistics" 

message: Nahuatl#Stylistics is a good section, most of the phenomena it describes are applicable to Mayan languages as well. It would also be interesting to know if this style predates the Aztec or is their contribution to the Mesoamerican Linguistic Area - I'd suspect the former, given the prevalence in colonial Mayan literature, but I know nothing of mayan epigraphics so I cannot say for sure.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.106.175.189 (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  nahuatl "stylistics" 

message: The Mayan Languages- A Comparative Vocabulary, by John Dienhart, is a compilation of over 400 years of Mayan dictionaries in around 30 languages, with over 45,000 entries. I have just gotten explicit permission from Kristina Dienhart, the daughter of John Dienhart, and from a representative of Southern Denmark University, the copyright owner, to use this data, which exists in electronic form, under CC-BY-SA or GFDL. My intention is to massage this data into usable form (for instance, update the orthography); upload it to OmegaWiki; and create pedagogical material such that it can be used (edited) in primary-school classrooms, especially with XO computers. I hope that 1500 of these computers will soon be in the hands of mostly K'iche' students in Totonicapan, and that hundreds will be in Mayan areas in Belize and Mexico.
I am a programmer and a teacher, not a professional mayanist by any stretch of the imagination, but some of you may remember me from back when Maya languages reached FA. I would love the help of anyone knowledgeable about Mayan linguistics, especially the Mexican Mayan languages, about which I know less than the Guatemalan ones. I would also be especially happy if someone could help me find funding for all or part of this work (I'm happy to work for Guatemalan programmer wages, in the range of $1000-$1500 a month; this project could be anywhere from 2 to 6 months, depending on scope). If you or someone you know would be able to help me, please get in touch with me via "email this user".
Thank you,
Homunq (talk) 05:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  aunnouncement: Dienhart's Mayan dictionary compilation going public 

message: The ISO codes for the regional dialects of a given language name were decimated. See talk there for details. Homunq (talk) 05:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. However, it would be great if someone would go through the individual pages for the languages and fix this issue up. Now that the ISO codes are cleaned up, we can talk more realistically about regional variation without counting or enumerating dialects. Homunq (talk) 17:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Oh, also: now that the list article is much cleaner, we should maybe give it more prominence here. Also, it has a consistent, though imperfect, set of population numbers; maybe some of those numbers could replace the haphazard ones here. Homunq (talk) 17:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Nice looking navbox template, thanks for that. Some of the implied language genealogies in it may not be recognised by all sources, but I don't think that's a major issue and it can be tweaked or qualified if needs be.--cjllw ʘ TALK 01:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Mayan languages]] 
needs
 given cleanup 

message: The article Chan Santa Cruz had some good content added but it uses old Mayan orthography that needs to be updated. This assists in making wiki links more simple and reliable and prevents the creation of multiple new pages for the different spellings. Some of you have the skills so please go to it. --YakbutterT (talk) 23:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Mayan Terminology Assistance [[Chan Santa Cruz]]

message: I reverted AmericanGringo's edits to because the previous description of the distinction between the usage of Mayan (used only in linguistics) and Maya used in oher fields among them Anthropology (and notably also as an adjective) was more precise. Also he changed Belize with Honduras there are many more maya speakers in Belize than in Honduras (I assume you are referring to the dwindling speakers of Chorti'?) - but both could be mentioned. Also your statement about 31 maya languages was contradictory since guatemala recognizes 21 and mexico 8. We are only referring to luving langauges so cholti and chicomuceltec don't count.·Maunus·ƛ· 16:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits by AmericanGringo

message: I just came across this paper  (if the site is still down you may be able to view a google cache here).  I just skimmed it briefly (in machine translation I must admit) but the gist is clear: Robertson and Houston argue that Wastek was not the first Mayan language to branch off as a separate family and should instead be grouped with the "Western" languages of Ch'olan and Tzeltalan.  I saw the paper after seeing it cited aspprovingly here.  If it has some currency it should probably be mentioned in the article as an alternate theory but I don't have a good feel for how well known or respected it is in the field, so I am not sure of the best way to express it in the article.  Eluchil404 (talk) 04:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I recently noticed that paper as well and I fell much the same as you do. My gut feeling is that Kaufman and Lyle campbell are the autorities to follow. But the theory probably should get a mention. ·Maunus·ƛ· 05:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: btw. Just to be sure, the approving citation is by the author himself.·Maunus·ƛ· 05:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, yes you're right.  Which makes it count for less naturally, and explains how he knows that an English language edition is in preparation.  Still Houston is considered an important scholar, at least in epigraphic circles, and so it may be worth mentioning at least.  I suggest a sentence here, or at least in addition to, rather than at Wastek language since that article currently has no information about its relationships other than the family listing in the infobox.  Eluchil404 (talk) 06:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a mention of the alternative classification, and added the paper to the references. Time will tell which classification will prevail.·Maunus·ƛ· 06:53, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Position of Wastek 

message: Anyone have a good source on the colonial alphabets? It would be nice to have a table of the main variants, like we do for modern. I added a few words in the hope that s.o. will expand it. — kwami (talk) 02:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonial alphabets 

message: Populations have risen quite abit as shown in this table inserted into the article of 2012 speaker numbers. However the table contradicts the rest of the article and List of Mayan languages. We should update all of the articles speaker numbers so that there isn't any internal contradiction. Also we should use a table format that floats to the right so we don't break the page formatting.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Updated speaker numbers

message: The population of Jakaltek has been reduced by a factor of ten between E16 and E17.  I thought this was an error, that the two ISO codes were merged without merging the populations, but evidently the number was changed after merging.  Maybe one of the E16 figures spurious?  — kwami (talk) 21:11, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Jakaltek

message: Hofling (2008) reports 9,000–12,000 native Mopan Maya speakers. Ethnologue says "9,200 in Belize (2006). Population total all countries: 14,200." Actually Hofling's specific quote is: "In Guatemala, Mopan speakers number between three and four thousand, according to the statistics gathered by the Mopan branch of the Academia de Lenguas Mayas de Guatemala (ALMG pers. comm. 2008). The population in Belize is larger, perhaps six to eight thousand (Grimes 2000)." I wonder why Ethnologue's estimates are so much higher. Kaldari (talk) 03:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mopan

message: Hofling's Mopan Maya-Spanish-English Dictionary (2011) gives different IPA values for some of the ALMG orthography. Specifically, he gives ä = [ɨ] and j = [h], both of which are very different than the values given in our table here. Hofling's ALMG orthography also uses apostrophes instead of diacritics. Unfortunately, we don't have any references for our ALMG orthography and I haven't been able to find a primary source for it yet. Does anyone know where we got our table from? Kaldari (talk) 21:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I also found a paper from 2011 that discusses the ALMG's use of apostrophes, which doesn't match our table. Kaldari (talk) 21:50, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like the apostrophes were converted to diacritics by an anonymous IP in 2012. Since there is no reference or explanation given, I'm going to revert this change. Kaldari (talk) 22:19, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see what kind of sources I can get a hold of. Since some languages don't have [x] it would make sense if h were used in those cases.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 03:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ALMG orthography 

message: This article has a ton of "citation needed" tags and large amounts of uncited text without them. I don't believe it meets the FA criteria as a result. Tezero (talk) 19:33, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You may be right. You could try fixing it first?User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:57, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't checked in detail, , but aren't a lot of the citations print-only? Tezero (talk) 20:45, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of the cited material is, but my guess is that most of the material marked with citation needed can be found in online resources. I am away from a library currently, but would otherwise be happy to find the print only sources.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR? 

message: The article will likely need a complete overhaul as soon as this book comes out later this year: Aissen, Judith and England, Nora C. and Maldonado, Roberto Zavala (eds.), The Mayan Languages, 1-20. London: Routledge. One chapter , the historical linguistics one by Lyle Cmapbell, is available in preprint from Lyle Cmapbell's researchgate profile.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 09:45, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite pending release of new sources

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message: You didn't include page numbers  -  there are many attributions in the article - go back and fix, please. 50.111.54.42 (talk) 14:10, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Maxwell (2011) is a book chapter, Maxwell (2015) an article in a journal, each 20 pages long. –Austronesier (talk) 14:28, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
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