Talk:Eskimo kiss

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I don't know enough about this to fix it, but maybe someone else can after seeing this users comment. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 2008 

message: I noted an artical on Eskimo Kiss but it is politically incorrect. Eskimo is a cree word and the Inuk are often referred to as Inuit. The only government that does not push this change is the USA. I do not know how to change things on wikipedia but can someone at least make it known immediatly in the artical that Eskimo is no longer used but Inuit is good. 
Thank you,
Your Arctic defense against many nations in north america. And believe me it is busy up here since the channel opened from climate change.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.234.63.82 (talk) 07:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand the concern, but that is what the activity of rubbing noses as a greeting is commonly called. My solution would be to delete the article as non-notable and I will propose that.--ukexpat (talk) 17:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thoughts, this is notable and I have removed the PRODWarning, my apologies.--ukexpat (talk) 17:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think it's notable, perhaps a small explanation can be given however that clarifies the "misnomer" that this apparently is? --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

text: There's nothing really wrong using the term Eskimo, although it may sound pejorative mostly to Canadians, it isn't, and is part of the English language. You may want to check out Eskimo#Terminology: Eskimo and alternate terms & Origin of the name Eskimo. "Eskimo Kissing" is a far more widely used term and often refers to the western method of rubbing noses against each other, while the term kunik (the original Inuit form) returns almost no relevant results elsewhere. Eskimo Kissing is merely a term which is not aimed solely at Inuits, but has also been noted as a practice elsewhere, such as in parts of Asia and Africa    The actual Eskimo Kissing (kunik, or even Polynesian kissing), or 'rubbing of noses', varies per culture and region, so changing this page to 'kunik' would be less broad of a term and more useless than anything. -- Io Katai (talk) 22:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article, as Io Katai noted, is here because it's probably the most common name for this. If you look you can see that inukshuk (inukhuk or inuksuk), igloo (iglu) and kayak (qajaq) are at the English spellings and not one of the many Inuit language/Eskimo-Aleut languages dialects. The other thing is that there is no one single correct word for all the people living in the Arctic. Eskimo covers some people and Inuit covers some people. But Inuit is not the single correct term for all the people that live in Canada although most people believe it is. The article can't be moved to "kunik" as there is no indication that the word refers only to this practise. According to both the Inuinnaqtun-English Dictionary that I have and the Asuilaak Living Dictionary it just means "kissing". If the article requires moving then, based on the fact that other cultures do it, something like Nose kissing or Nose rubbing might be better. In the past 30 years I have only ever heard of kunik being used to refer to regular kissing. One problem I see with the article is that it, like some other Inuit/Eskimo articles, does not define how widespread the practise might have been. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think what would probably be most helpful would be to leave the listing where it is but also possibly redirect searches for Kunik to the eskimo kissing page. I could be wrong- just my two cents. (Talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 13:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Next time please consult the talk page before moving the page. The discussion and concensus was keep the article as-is, not vice-versa. - Io Katai (talk) 23:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word Eskimo is bad language 

message: Final paragraph, on the supposed alternate term "bunny kissing", is completely unsourced. I've edited it to remove the reference to a third photo in the article, but the rest of the paragraph bugs me for some reason too. Not finding any Google results for the term in this context, nor for the supposed texting shorthand.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AquaHaute (talk • contribs) 14:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tried to clean it up and improve the language a little, but it's still entirely unsourced and unverifiable. Probably needs to go altogether.AquaHaute (talk) 14:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bunny kissing"? 

message: I have visited Peru many times, and in their local dialect Quechua, bunny kissing is a common phrase used.  "Conechio bisichoa" is what is said.  Fly to Peru and visit the locals in the Andes Mountains, and then you will understand.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panboy (talk • contribs) 03:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bunny kissing" exists in Peru 

message: The article mentions only Inuit kissing, although reference [2] describes it among the Yupik too.  The Yup'ik word for it may be "kunik" also; but I am suspicious that there would be only one word among the five Yup'ik languages and the Arctic-coast Inuit continuum of languages.  Perhaps some Eskimo readers of this can shed some light.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.240.78.1 (talk) 00:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yupik kiss? 

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thread_title:  Arab Gulf kissing 

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message: I have restored the material deleted as Wikipedia is not WP:CENSORED. That said, I think it is best to convert the article into one about "nose rub" or "nose kiss". The gesture is not limited to Inuit cultures  so it would be good to have a general article which can describe nose rubbing from other cultures as well.--DreamLinker (talk) 12:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the title change and article expansion., DreamLinker, but I have reverted the article to not include the slur. The gesture may not be limited to Inuit culture, but the article is about the Kunik in large part and was before the edits -- should you wish to expand the article to nose kissing and its various manifestations, absolutely go for it -- but as things are, it's not about censorship. "Considered a slur" and an etymology section focusing on settlers who "discovered" the Inuit" are trivializing and tokenizing; censorship and changing articles to better represent the culture they're discussing are two different things. Your approach is very color-blind, and has a veneer of "preserving information" but the origin of "Eskimo" as a slur is already available on the Inuit page. Cjseaslug (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would appreciate if you don't edit war. Please read WP:BRD. You made an edit and I reverted it. We now discuss it here. From what I checked, the article is about the nose rubbing gesture in general. You are trying to remove the term "Eskimo kiss" entirely, however we do not censor terms.  The information is useful in the etymology section. I understand that the term was used by people of European descent and it is considered offensive by some members of Inuit communities - that should be mentioned in the article as well so that people who read it understand the full context. Additionally, I agree that the description of "Kunik" from the perspective of the Inuit should be mentioned (would you help me to find some references for this?). There needs to be some consensus to convert this article into one about a nose rub though, so I will start an RFC.--DreamLinker (talk) 21:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change title to Nose rub or Nose kiss? 

message: * I understand your concern about the open RFC. Actually I wanted to solicit more opinions since I was not sure how best to organise this article. I initially though of an RM, but it would have limited the discussion to moving the article, while I am open to an alternate solution. --DreamLinker (talk) 08:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As they are not the same, perhaps splitting the article might be a better choice after all. The kunik is clearly the Inuit cultural greeting, while "Eskimo kiss" is the term used for a type of nose rubbing (which was loosely based on the kunik).--DreamLinker (talk) 08:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Extended discussion

message: :Category:Inuit culture is a subcategory of :Category:Eskimo culture so per WP:SUBCAT the latter can be removed. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Marcocapelle makes sense, sorry for the revert. Unreverting, thanks Nelsonblaha (talk) 20:23, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: It is Wikipedia policy that illustrations are informative rather than (purely?) decorative.  In this article,  we read that the article is about something defined (or described) as " pressing or rubbing the tip of one's nose against another's cheek." Right next to this is a picture of two people NOT doing that; instead, they are about to press or rub the tips of their noses.  In other words, N+Ch ≠N+N. Kdammers (talk) 20:36, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is talking about two different things. The "kunik" that was mistranslated to "Eskimo kiss" and what is know outside of the north as an "Eskimo kiss". Fixed. Both images should be there to show both actions. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:11, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This article really needs to be split up into a more general version and have kunik as a separate article linked to it along with hongi etc. This article reminds me of many of the Sámi-related articles, which are a combination of a semi-failed non-Sámi understanding of a concept (cf. the first photo) and just enough pertinent content that it makes it difficult to split up such as with gákti. Considering this is the first hit on Google for kunik, I think we have a particular responsibility to stop spreading incorrect information. - Yupik (talk) 08:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction