Talk:Hark! The Herald Angels Sing

message: I have moved the following German translation here, as it does not seem to belong in the article. -- Chuck 18:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Why did you erase, Ken's singing of this song? In one of the Christmas episodes of The Gospel Bill Show, Ken sang that song at the end. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.92.204.227 (talk) 03:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ken Blount 

message: I understand that Hark! The Herald Angels Sing is more often than not the last carol in the London Bach Choir's Family Carols Concerts. Would it be all right to add this into the article? If so, where can I find the reference?Yip1982 (talk) 08:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hark! as the last carol at the Bach Choir Family Carols concerts 

message: Come, Desire of nations come, 
Fix in us Thy humble home; 
Rise, the Woman's conquering Seed, 
Bruise in us the Serpent's head. 
Adam's likeness now efface: 
Stamp Thine image in its place; 
Second Adam, from above, 
Reinstate us in thy love.
That part is left out the majority of times it's sung or recored, I wnder why, it's the bets part y humble opinion?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.131.23.208 (talk) 23:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Thee should be a section on the verse that's usual skipped

message: In Wesley's original carol verse three reads;
"Hail the heav’nly Prince of Peace!
Hail the Sun of Righteousness!
Light and life to all He brings,
Ris’n with healing in His wings."''
This verse is a reference to Malachi 4:2;
"But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall."
Unfortunately many modern renditions of the carol render this verse; "Hail the Son of Righteousness", thus failing to recognise the biblical reference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.88.56 (talk) 18:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verse 3 

message: There have been some changes over the times to some of the lyrics, and I wonder if there has been any research on the subject that could be referenced here? For example, the "virgin womb" in the original lyrics was at some point altered to "favored one". Also, "Pleased with us in flesh to dwell" is often cited as "Pleased as man with men to dwell" but the original seems to be "Pleas'd as Man with men t' appear" 
Were these Whitefield changes?
I think this is an original wesley version: 
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70.189.91.33 (talk) 09:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrical changes over the centuries 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This article says that 'Hark the herald' is sung to the tune of 'Thine be the glory' as the last hymn at St Patrick's on Christmas Eve. The article on 'Thine be the glory' days that 'Thine be the glory' is sung at that service.
I have no evidence either way, but this article seems more likely to be correct - 'Hark the herald' is very often sung at the end of carol services, e.g. King's College, Cambridge.
I have marked the statements in the 'Thine be the glory' article as dubious.
If anyone reading this has been to the service at St Patrick's, or heard it on Irish radio, please contribute! Mdrb55 (talk) 10:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for raising this.  The addition there seemed most dubious.  No citations.  No edit summary.  Anon-IP.  So, in accordance with WP:BRD, I've simply deleted it there. Feline Hymnic (talk) 21:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Patrick's Dublin 

message: How many voices are present in the song of hark! The herald angels sing 112.198.68.109 (talk) 00:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mapeh 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 12:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 22 June 2023 

message: "Wesley, who had written the original version as 'Hymn for Christmas-Day', had requested and received slow and solemn music for his lyrics, which has since largely been discarded." This precedes footnote reference 1, which says nothing about the original music. I don't like "reference needed" notes and am not going to add one, but I think this claim should be documented if possible and the original composer credited even though his music has "largely" been discarded. I don't see how it could have been "largely" discarded either, if it was completely supplanted by the later Mendelssohn-based melody. If it wasn't completely supplanted and some trace of the original melody remained, then the original composer is all the more deserving of credit and mention. In any event, if there is no documentation for the assertion that Wesley "had requested and received slow and solemn music for his lyrics, which has since largely been discarded", I suppose this should be deleted (or a tag added – which, again, I don't favor). Bret Sterling (talk) 18:42, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The German Wikipedia article, :de:Hark! The Herald Angels Sing, claims that the Wesley's hymn was first sung to "Amazing Grace", which the source provided in that article doesn't support, and which is unlikely given the chronology of both hymns. The German article then states that Wesley used the melody of "Christ the Lord Is Risen Today" which is roughly supported by the cited source. The same source is used in the English article, supporting the same statement in the section "Mendelssohn melody". As it stands, the sentence you quote is unsupported and a  tag should be added or, my preference, the sentence removed. The core of the claim  in question goes back to an edit by 203.219.176.31 in December 2010. I think it's safe to remove it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original melody