Talk:Striptease

message: Should photoshoots by/for magazines where clothing is gradually removed through the course of the shoot count as stripteases, and so be mentioned in the article? TheDeadlyShoe 08:31, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photoshoots

message: This article needs more pictures of fully nude strippers. Its just missing some. Any one have any?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.170.101.65 (talk) 17:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  more pics 

message: Is there any particular reason Dita Von Teese isn't mentioned in the modern burlesque section, along with the Pussycat Dolls? If there is no objection I might insert a small mention as she has certainly been more significant than most in bringing the striptease into the public eye as a mainstream artform... Omgplz (talk) 12:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dita Von Teese 

message: Shouldn't striptease be a subset of an article on stripping, rather than having references to stripping redirect to striptease? Striptease is a particular approach to removing clothes for entertainment, emphasizing (as the name suggests), the tease. Modern strippers at many clubs are stripping, but they're not performing striptease. I'd also think things like lap dances and strip clubs would be worthy of their own articles. 
For that matter, how distinct is striptease from burlesque? There's a lot of overlap, even if they're not the same thing.
:Striptease (in go-go) is performed in two song sets, where a performer dancers in costume for the first song, and topless (or nude) for the second song.  In burlesque, the performance is more choreographed and nudity is rarely the focus.  It's more of a 'tease'.  Max Spades 05:39, 28 August 2005
Anyone have any recommendations? -- Scarequotes 06:46, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
:I have been unhappy with this article for a long time, but haven't had the time to fix it.  I agree that what is currently done in most clubs is stripping or simply erotic nude dance.  I would suggest just adding more material to this article, rather than creating a new article, because the dividing line is rather vague. The article can always be split up if it gets too long. ManoaChild 07:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Striptease vs. stripping 

message: "Conversely, gay male strip clubs comparatively rarely feature male performers."
...What? 
Is this sentence left over from something since removed?
Morypcaina 03:53, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd sentence 

message: "[a higher level of sexuality]...can be attributed to the noted natural "sexuality" or rather sensuality in the black female...."
Is this for real? What planet am I on? -Critic9328 20:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racist 

message: "Why Women Become Strippers
Women become strippers for the money. Many were once waitresses in these clubs who thought they would never become strippers themselves, but gave into the temptation. Advertisements often tell women about how much they can make working as strippers."
I've got to say, I really, really wasn't expecting a stubby, extremely POV stub-thing consisting of three sentences of one of the most controversial aspects of this topic in this section. Either remove it outright or rewrite it... outright.
Not to say that this is the only section that needs work. -T. S. Rice 03:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why Women become strippers

message: Any pictures of male strippers?? You know its good to balance the article out.
Feel free to take one yourself and upload it under GDFL.  That's what I did.  I'm not gay, so I'm not inclined to go take a pic of a male stripper.  Sorry. Billy Blythe 05:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: I think that last link should be removed. Wikipedia  isn't cencored, but it still shouldn't be a portal for porno.--KojiDude 22:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have gone ahead and removed all the seemingly promotional links; I can't see how they fit per External links policy.  --TeaDrinker 04:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: Why is it that hunkystrippers.com was removed from the external links on this page.
1) It is a non profit, non commercial site, run by volenteers.
2) It is not pornogrpahy and is 100% on topic for this page.
3) It contains a free comprehensive list or Directory of UK male strippers (not an agency) contact details are direct.
4) You have links for female strippers so why is a true male stripper resource removed?
Can someone please tell me exactly why this was edited out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacksp (talk • contribs) 
:Whilst the website owners may not be making a profit, it's nonetheless advertising commercially (i.e., the strippers themselves, who are presumably looking to be paid). It also probably doesn't help that every page has a link to a commercial pay-for-access porn site.  Wikipedia isn't a web directory - there doesn't appear to be any information about strippers, rather it's advertising strippers. Mdwh 19:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with Mdwh on this one.  --TeaDrinker 19:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: i put it back in.  any questions just let me know ok.  MinervaSimpson 06:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  That pic with the tramp stamp 

message: Does anybody object if I remove these? If so maybe they could point out what this dispute is all about cos I'm not clear about it...Colin4C 08:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality and OR Tags 

message: I don't think this should be in the article but rather somewhere else. It may be provocative dancing but it's no more stripping than Riverdance. -196.207.32.38 18:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Burlesque 

message: The time and place where poledancing originated seems to be a bit of a sexy mystery. Anybody here have the slightest clue? If so, that might be useful info to add to the article Colin4C 20:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poledancing 

message: Why was this entire article removed? 
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,948758-2,00.html
Above is just one Source for the below article, adding historical value to "Striptease", and I AM
Scot Free so it is a legitimate article, As I lived it.
COULD THIS VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL GROUP AT LEAST GET A SHORT RECOGNITION IF AS DID "Chipendales" on the page
and have your own editors do it the justice it deserves historically please?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenwise (talk • contribs) 03:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you do a precis of the material instead of just downloading a whole lot of stuff from somewhere else on the internet? I am only one editor here, but I do feel that the material you have provided could be cut down to fit the format of this article. More info could be provided in a seperate wikipedia article if necessary. Colin4C 10:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi Colin4C, Thank you for your reply...I will do as you request and agree with your summary of how to handle this
article, I like your idea of a separate article if necessary that could be linked from the original "Striptease"
page, as there is quite a bit a information involved and a complete history of this very succesful Historical
Dance Troup deserves it's own recognition in a separate article set apart from just the "broad" term of
"Striptease".
As I understand it a "Precis" is... 
In order to demonstrate that you have assimilated the central argument and proof of another scholar's critical interpretation, you must be able to summarize and even compose a precis of an argument.
A summary or a precis is NOT a personal interpretation of a work or an expression of your opinion of the idea; it is, rather, an exact replica in miniature of the work, often reduced to one-half of its size, in which you express the complete argument!
Please give me a day or so to summarize the article to fit the standardization to comply with the Wikipedia format and I will resubmit the article along with more documentation including a photo or photos to add to the separate article, possibly a visual of the tour Poster would be great and the best visual to apply within the separate article.
Thank you again for your suggestions and I'm certain that I can comply with your wishes so that Wikipedea can
expand it's knowledge base on the REAL HISTORY of Male Exotic Dancers. It is a field that is certainly misinterpreted
in todays society and the facts surrounding it's inception and Critical thinking is an important and vital topic in modern education to to fully understand the impact on womens lives this new phenomenon created. 
I agree that now it is a normal part of most cities and towns, yet...
at it's inception/beginning it was clearly "The Talk of the Nation" and a brand new oulet for Women in American
History. Thus, it deserves it's own place in your wonderful medium of information, Wikipedia!
Respectfully,
Kenneth D. Wise,
President,
ArtWise International Fine Art,
Palm Beach, Fl...
www.Art-Wise.com
http://art-wise.com/kenwise.htm  <-Meet Me at this link (click or copy and paste into your browser)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenwise (talk • contribs) 12:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fast Freddy and the Playboys Article 

message: Fast Freddy and The Playboys...Billed as "The King of Male Strippers" and "The Sexiest Show on The Planet" Pioneered the Travelling Male Dance Troup with over a Decade of Success. Featured on national TV shows including ABCs 20/20, The Today Show,The Phil Donahue Show, The Sally Jesse Raphael Show, The Rikki Lake Show. Feature articles in Time, Playboy, and Oahu Magazines. Top Playboy and Playgirl Model "Scot Free" (Real Name Ken Wise) named First Male in History to win the Six Foot Tall World Champion Trophy for "Entertainer of the Year" at Ponderosa Sun Club, Roselawn, In. (1984). Playboys include Irv Cass, World Champion 1999 International "Images of Elvis" Impersonator Competition, Memphis, Tn. Appeared in the Award Winning Documentary by John Paget "Almost Elvis".  Playboy P.J. Lewis, First Place Winner "International Michael Jackson Dance Contest'" Honolulu, Hi. (1985). Recording Artist "Fast Freddy..For Ladies Only" Album (1980). (Real name Fred Byler). The Group Toured Nationally to a Sold Out Fanbase, with attendance in the thousands at most venues. Always to "Female Only" crowds.
Hi Colin4C, I believe the above text to be more of what you are looking for in an article on this topic. Please advise.
Here is the Image to use with article uploaded to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A1A_Fast_Freddy_and_The_Playboys_Thumbnail.jpg -Kenwise 19:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not an expert on male striptease but it might be worth your while looking at the Chippendales dancers article on the wikipedia as an idea on how to write such an article. As for this present striptease article note that it is an encylopedia entry not a promotional service for dance troupes male or female. If Fast Freddy and co are historically or artistically or in any other noteworthy they should get a mention, if not, not. Its not my place to dictate what goes in this article but a reasonable thing to do would be to read the whole thing and then figure out how Freddy and co fit into the grand scheme of world striptease history and therefore how much space they should be alloted. Better to start small and expand as necessary rather than putting down some enormous screed to begin with IMHO. Colin4C 20:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi Colin4C,
I very much appreciate your time and insight, I can assure you that I have no intentions of any promotional services for anyone whatsoever, Those days are decades in the past for me. My only intention is to give credence to the wonderful memories "Fast Freddy and The Playboys" created for the hundreds of thousands who witnessed this new phenomenon in person and the Millions of Americans who saw it for the very first time on so many major television shows, magazines and newspaper headlines throughout our great nation, "Only In America Could Such a Great Thing Happen"! That said...I will take your constructive writing skills and  ideas to heart and rework the article for inclusion in Wikipedea. As to the "Historically and Artistically Noteworthy" relevance of "Fast Freddy and the Playboys", that fact is certainly without question as I am certain you agree. I will absolutely take your advice and appreciate your professionalism. Give me a while please to undo the "Screed" and I will send the rewrite to you when I have reworked the entry to meet with your criteria, for your editorial expertise. That way, we at least have a foundation laid to build on, as you so eloquently suggested. I feel that once it is included, then, and only then will Wikipedia be giving the full story and this dance groups rightful placement in the long history of the profession. Certainly you are in agreement with me that the visual JPG that I have presented far outweighs the one of "Tigger" that is presently
on the page. I think that visual represents more of a Jester or a Clown than a performance, while the visual I presented is far more accurate to represent that particular part of the article IMHO. I am aware it is not the visual you would have chosen now that you are given a choice (or an addition). If I am correct, that "Tigger" visual
is for the "Sexy Gay Male" section and there is no representational visual for the "Male Dancer" section. (until now)
Respectfully -Kenwise 06:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fast Freddy and the Playboys (Precis)

message: "Fast Freddy and The Playboys" created by Fred Byler, and billed as "The King of Male Strippers", from Niles, Michigan.  The first group of its kind and the pioneers of the traveling Male Dance Troup. Performing and singing to Female Only audiences across the United States throughout the 1980s to sold out crowds numbering in the thousands at a single venue. They traveled nationally as a group for more than a decade. Recording Artist Album Titled "Fast Freddy..For Ladies Only"(1980). The group was known for always arriving by Stretch Limosines wearing thier matching trademark white tailed tuxedos with red bow tie and cumberbunds. Historically the first male exotic dancers to be seen by millions of Americans on many major television shows including including ABCs 20/20, The Today Show,The Phil Donahue Show, and The Sally Jesse Raphael Show, Etc. They were also featured in numerous national magazine articles including Time, Playboy, and Oahu Magazines. Leading Playboy and Playgirl Model "Scot Free" (Real Name Ken Wise) was  named First Male in Striptease History to win the coveted Six Foot Tall "World Champion" Trophy for "Entertainer of the Year" (1984) at The Ponderosa Sun Club, Roselawn, IN. competing against over 40 top national female acts  for the title. Much unlike the popular group known as Chippendales "Fast Freddy and The Playboys" brought a very classy show to hundreds of hometowns, large and small... rather than the ladies traveling to one single nightclub in Los Angeles, CA.
Hi Colin...
Here is a quote from one of your editors from above on this page:
I have been unhappy with this article for a long time, but haven't had the time to fix it. I agree that what is currently done in most clubs is stripping or simply erotic nude dance. I would suggest just adding more material to this article, rather than creating a new article, because the dividing line is rather vague. The article can always be split up if it gets too long. ManoaChild 07:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fast Freddy and The Playboys- Scot Free a.k.a. Ken Wise-Historical Events and Timeline

message: I have just removed this edit as out of chronological order and incorrectly sourced:
:This type of dancing also derived from religious worship. The first evidence of stripping is shown in worshiping the Gods and Goddesses. It was believed that if women danced in a way commonly defined as stripping for a certain Goddess, it would further her chances of fertility. Women would dance for the Goddess in front of a temple or other point of worship and then a man would pay her for intercourse. The money would be given to the Goddess as a sacrifice in hopes that the woman would then be fertile and become pregnant.Roberts
Any comments?  Colin4C (talk) 09:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Suspicious edit cited to a non-existent source. Good revert, I'd say. Dekkappai (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious Edit 

message: That girl in Sexy_dancer_03.jpg, currently used on top, looks like she is ready to drop death. I personally like the other one, Sexy_dancer_02.jpg, much more, so I have removed 03, and moved 02 to the top. I do think a better alternative is possible however. Cheers, Face 17:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think much of the current picture of Lola Bel Aire. Her hair is grey! Stressful job, no doubt...but if any of the editors here see her - tell her to change her hair colour fast if she wants tips from me...Colin4C (talk) 20:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Current image on top

message: Just wondering whether the girl in the new photo at the auto show is actually stripping, or merely pole dancing? Also, she looks a bit mannish to me...so calling her a 'girl' might be open to question....Colin4C (talk) 11:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'd think we should have an image of one of the classic strippers-- Lili St. Cyr, Blaze Starr, Gypsy Rose Lee, Sally Rand, etc... But if any image is allowed to stand up to Wikipedia's Mad-Hatter/Kafkaesque/Draconian image-policies, leave it alone, I say. :-) Dekkappai (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Striptease girl? 

message: This latest addition to the article is unreferenced:
:"A more specific variation of the "friction" lap dance, used both in strip clubs and in private, is known as a "stripper shortcake". A stripper shortcake involves a woman thrusting her vagina back and forth on the man's erect penis while it is flipped upwards (with or without pants) causing the man, woman, or both to reach orgasm without actual intercourse."
I'm sort of wondering why this alleged practice is (allegedly) called "stripper shortcake" and why we need graphic descriptions of penises (allegedly) "flipping upwards" and vaginas "thrusting"...(allegedly...) Colin4C (talk) 10:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this true? 

message: who doesnt because u get more sex. then if u where a mum if u want to strip have sax withas much men as possible if u cant get men practise on a long tedy. and then go downtown to all sex shops u can find and then buy sex toys, next get a pole and at last go to the local night culb ans ask for the job (for all sex with men use a condom)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.30.81 (talk) 14:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  why u should strip 

message: Anyone else care to weigh in on the continuous removal of the H.L. Mencken citation? ('H.L. Mencken is credited with coining the word "ecdysiast", from "ecdysis", meaning "to molt". He did so in response to a request from a stripteaser who requested a "more dignified" way to refer to her profession.') I didn't put it in, but I think it's interesting and perfectly appropriate here. Another editor is removing it as trivia. Dekkappai (talk) 20:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is trivia, but it's in the right place - not in a section of its own, and when you get down to it that's what Wikipedia (indeed any encyclopedia) is about - collation of trivia.  I can see why it gets removed, as only a tiny minority will be aware of this, but that's why we put things like that in.  It's a cited reference, and the fact is on the first page of the linked PDF - I say it stays.   a_man_alone (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Right-- Those bulleted lists of disconnected random facts (usually unsourced) are fair target for deletion. But that's not what this is. Any article is going to be, mostly, a well-organized collection of trivia. Dekkappai (talk) 21:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I disagree - articles are not collections of trivia. They have a purpose. I fail to see what is the point of the Mencken quote. If that stays in then the use at any other time of any sourced word would be justified on the same basis. That is, just because something is sourced does not automatically make it appropriate, as is the case here.Ewawer (talk) 01:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course almost any one sentence pulled at random out of any article is a piece of trivia. If every sentence of an article were "notable" rather than "trivial", then every sentence would deserve its own article. Instead, the subject of the article is "notable", and the trivia is gathered and shaped to flesh out the subject and build a full article. In this case, the subject is striptease, and the Mencken quote is a piece of trivia which deals directly with the subject of this article. Dekkappai (talk) 04:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The argument here is turning into "what is the definition of trivia" - One persons trivia is anothers essential knowledge.  What is the difference between the Mencken quote and any of the TV or film listings that contain stripper references?  I don't want to see any of those films (especially not showgirls - yikes!) - they hold no interest for me, but I acknowledge that others may find them interesting and have a valid place in the article.  This is not a random word connected with the article, but a valid and sourced alternative name for the actual act of stripping ecdysing.  Sourced, relevent, applicable & interesting.  Ticks all the boxes I think.   a_man_alone (talk) 07:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: H.L. Mencken

message: I have reverted the removal of external links by Thirteen Squared as I don't think the WP:EL policy is as clear cut in this instance.  Neither site actually requires registration to view information, only to post - and this is sensible given the sexually orientated topic.
Also, the information available on each site is valuable and pertinent to the subject matter.  WP:EL doesn't actually forbid linking to such sites, only that "normally" they should be avoided.  I'm prepared to be outvoted, but think it should be at least discussed first. -- a_man_alone (talk) 18:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as there are no other links atm I don't see any reason not to include them. Biofase flame| stalk  19:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Your site was removed because it failed the external links policy.  True, it was marked as vandalism, when it could have been more accurately marked as a failure of the wp:el, however the editor in question did in fact leave you a note telling you this on your talkpage - perhaps you haven't seen it yet?  Link is here, just in case.  But nevertheless, such a paysite offers nothing constructive to the wikipedia, nor the page in general.  The fact that despite initially looking quite professional, the site is full of spelling and/or grammatical errors doesn't help your case either.   a_man_alone (talk) 21:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: The citation at www.responsesource.com seems to be a press release, and I can't find another source verifying Belle Jangles at Mugwumps strip club in Oregon in 1968.  Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 18:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems an odd thing to make up and - as it happened in 1968 - it doesn't seem to be advertising. And it's not a wikipedia mirror - which is the usual source of duff info. Anybody here from Oregon who can shed light on this? Colin4C (talk) 03:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is that we needs to verify our statements from reliable sources.  A compendium of press releases is not a source "with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy".  The statement may indeed be correct, but "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."  Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 15:58, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you think press releases are more inaccurate and unreliable than any other source of information used by wikipedia? Isn't it in the financial interest of press releasers to disseminate accurate information - say about the date a new film will be released? There is nothing else in that press release that seems to inaccurate - I even assume that the phone numbers are accurate! It's not as if it were the febrile rantings of a blogger. There may be indeed be POV pushing, but I don't think it applies in the case of something which happened in 1968. Also, if we include the cite, readers of the wikipedia can indeed check that the material included derives from that particular source and make their own minds up about how accurate it is. If we delete the cite they will be scratching their heads in bemusement. It is not for us wikipedia editors to make up their minds for them about what they are allowed to look at and what they are allowed to think about it. Almost all sources used in history are not guaranteed 100% accurate - to apply this standard would mean deleting most of the wikipedia. We could expand the statement if you like, to be more explicit about this: "According to a press release by Polestar the first pole-dance was by Miss Belle Jangles in 1968 at Mugwumps strip club".  Anyway, I do agree with you that more cites on this particular case would be good. If after extensive research it transpires that there is no Mugwumps strip club and that Miss Belle Jangles is a myth then we would be justified in deleting the statement. Colin4C (talk) 07:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We could spend a lot of time discussing whether press releases are likely to be accurate but we have a policy on verifiability and reliable sources precisely so that we don't have to.  If you can establish Polestar as a company "with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", by all means do so, preferably at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#www.responsesource.com.  Until there is a reliable source for the assertion then it is better to say nothing.  Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 17:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources says nothing about the inadmissability of press releases as sources or on the necessity of wilkipedia editors conducting personal investigations as to their "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". It does enjoin that common sense should be used: "it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply". Colin4C (talk) 20:53, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Er...using my common sense...I did a bit of googling and seem to have found the website where the whole story of Belle Jangles and Mugmumps presumably originated from: http://www.xmag.com/archives/9-11-may02/100years.html . Basically the story seems to be part of some kind of a spoof on the history of the Oregon adult entertainment scene...and is thus er...presumably...totally untrue. For instance I find it hard to believe that "Shrapna Kunst" and  "Olga Stegosaurus" were Oregon's first lesbian couple as the article claims...Therefore the stuff here about Belle Jangles and Mugwumps should be deleted. Colin4C (talk) 11:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pole-dancing 

message: The claim that these erotic dancers and prostitutes performed strip-tease is cited to  but I don't see it there.  Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 11:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The source says that they danced naked...so maybe we should just make that claim in the text rather than saying they did a striptease. Btw I think I am right in saying that female (and male) garb in Ancient Greek times consisted of a single garment (chiton) folded in a complex way and held by a brooch, and that underwear hadn't been invented yet, therefore any  stripteases would be of brief duration. There IS an account, and a famous painting, of a Greek courtesan being stripped naked though having her single garment ripped off in one tug by her defence counsel, but that prob doesn't count as an orthodox striptease... Colin4C (talk) 14:33, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auletrides 

message: RE:
True Stories-Best Undressed (2010) A documentary about the Miss Nude Australia Contest which is for dancers. Partly filmed from the Crazy Horse Revue, Adelaide, Australia. Screened 22-6-2010 on Channel 4.
There is no television station called Channel 4 in Australia  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 (talk) 05:28, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV Shows 

message: This article needs more pictures of fully nude dancers. It is just missing it. Any one have some pictures of fully nude dancers, or want to find some and put them in the article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.170.101.65 (talk) 17:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs more pics 

message: Hi, The stuff on Apotropaic nudity, or nudity as curse doesn't seem to have anything to do with strip-tease routines, which is obviously not just about being nude. The stuff on Japan can stay, although it isn't really an independent tradition, and there is no info on other countries, so it looks slightly stranded. I slightly shortened the quote from German play to the relevant section. Also reordered it to be more chronological.Noodleki (talk) 22:19, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand these arguments at all, please elaborate, with more specificity. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:47, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The main point is the section on Apotrpaic nudity has nothing to do with strip-tease, except that they both involve nudity. It simply doesn't belong in the article.Noodleki (talk) 22:51, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it had no erotic function, I agree.  I've removed it, and the African curse section that followed it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, I was using an older version that didn't have the Roland Barthes quote. Apart from that nothing else was removed, except the quote from the German play which has been shortened to the relevant section. Parts were either added or just rearranged to make it more chronological.Noodleki (talk) 10:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: Ok, so let's talk.
I'm with BMK on this one, that the term "dance" does not need to be emphasised, but possibly for slightly different reasons that he does - althoguh the end result is the same.
*We don't need to reiterate the term "dance" because it's already mentioned prior "...is an erotic or exotic dance..." - so we've already covered the dance part.  Repetition is unnecessary, and makes the article look cluttered.
*I also agree with BMK that the emphasis is on "strip" - hence the term "striptease"
*If a person stands still and undresses "...in a seductive and sexually suggestive manner...." then yes - they are performing a striptease.  I suppose  you could argue that anybody undressing themselves are performing a striptease if they are being observed by another.  A while back I removed the link to Barbarella, as I don't consider her to be doing a striptease - she's just undressing, but it was reverted for exactly that reason - if observed it's a striptease.  And fair enough.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:20, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of striptease 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
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message: Like other Wikipedia pages, this article should has a galleries section that link to media in Wikimedia for further references. I wonder why it has been deleted. AneHara (talk) 04:28, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but you're wrong.  Links to Commons do not go in a "Galleries" section.  Gallery" sections in Wikiupedia article are for galleries of images especially selected for the article.  Links to Commons go in the "external links" section of the article, and there's already one there. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:26, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why has Galleries section been deleted? 

message: In this section we find this paragraph:
::The 1960s saw a revival of striptease in the form of topless go-go dancing. This eventually merged with the older tradition of burlesque dancing. Carol Doda of the Condor Night Club in the North Beach section of San Francisco is given the credit of being the first topless go-go dancer... The club went "bottomless" on September 3, 1969 and began the trend of explicit "full nudity" in American striptease dancing. which was picked up by other establishments such as Apartment A Go Go. San Francisco is also the location of the notorious Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theatre. Originally an X-rated movie theater this striptease club pioneered lap dancing in 1980, and was a major force in popularizing it in strip clubs on a nationwide and eventually worldwide basis.
By definition, neither a topless nor a topless and bottomless go-go dancer does a striptease.  By definition, a lap dancer does not do a striptease—stripping and teasing is one thing, but grinding on a man's dick is not teasing, but the sexual act of dry humping.   
Moreover, there has never been any decline of striptease in the United States. In the 40s Sherry Britton, Ann Corio, Noel Toy, and Evelyn West were big names; Tempest Storm, Lili St. Cyr, Blaze Starr, Irma the Body, Patti Waggin, Candy Barr, and many other women who started stripping in the 1950s were active into the 1970s.  
I recommend that this paragraph be removed, and a more historically accurate one be put in its place.Wordwright (talk) 21:38, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem in "American Tradition." 

message: It seems that once again someone removed content because they didn't like it. I'm talking about the naked stripper image that was once included in the article. Wikipedia is not censored and so does not pander to what might offend. If pictures are shown of strippers then likewise it is strange that not even a single image is present of a stripper fully naked. It seems that not only is it permissible but is in fact a requirement ito coverage and the article is incomplete without it.
Now I've identified Pole_dancer_02.jpg, Pole_dancer_03.jpg and Pole_dancer_04.jpg as being of the same person in the same act which would be a good illustration but there might be other better ones. I also don't think that images containing other identifiable persons should be included in such an image let alone in articles. In the meantime I think the naked image should be included. Biofase flame| stalk  22:47, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raising the image issue again 

message: "In the past, the performance often finished as soon as the undressing was finished, though today's strippers usually continue dancing in the nude."
In what way and for how long? This seems a bit dubious. It might be for a few minutes but naked dancing seems more characteristic of erotic dance or go-go dancing and not stripping. These dances may include a strip act but is not characteristically strip acts. Biofase flame| stalk  02:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuing naked