Talk:Cuba/Archive 14

message: This page seems desperately in need of some archiving of old discussions. -- Beardo 15:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: EJ - this isn't a change of policy. And quite frankly, I doubt anyone is going to stop you continuing on your own sweet way. Let's call it going over the facts and opinions to work out what should actually go in the article ? -- Beardo 02:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Let's see if Z gets annoyed with us cluttering up his page ! Are you talking about Batista's 4 of September Movement ? -- Beardo 20:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea, I'm afraid.  With regard to 4 de septiembre, it seems they had their own flag: http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/cu_h.html#1933 -- Beardo 04:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: And of course, wikipedia is always correct ! jejejeje -- Beardo 17:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving

message: There appears to be another severe Dengue outbreak in Cuba , despite apparent desperate attempts to fumigate the vector .  El Jigue 9-7-06
:Indeed - regular fumigations in all parts of Havana, anectdotally many cases (in city and in country). -- Beardo 17:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would explain why Hugo Chavez was wielding the gift of his "Bolivarian Sword" at Castro during his bedside visit the other day, EJ. If one needs candidates for the father of Castro's new baby, one need look no further than the Venezuelan President. --Zleitzen 10:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dengue again?

message: This link between Sabrina and Castro  may be nothing but a publicity stunt. However, it made me smile as it apparently sinks the jesting pregnacy theory (:>) xe xe El Jigue 9-9-06
:Not sure that even fits in to the Castro page. (And the - what is it - ? 14? children by a variety of women lines up with that.  But neither would go against a later sex-change.  Though the beard is hard to explain - false ?) -- Beardo 19:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sabrina and Castro

message: It seems that Raul's baggage and personality may require a ruthless crackdown in Cuba, if he is to stay in power . Note, although officially denied by the newspaper, the Miami Herald, under new management, appears to be taking a strong "pro-Castro" stance. El Jigue 9=13-06
:Or, to quote the article "Experts said Raúl Castro may be forced to open up Cuba's economy if he hopes to stay in power." "He needs to provide more food, transportation and housing. Because he is not as popular as Fidel, he cannot ask for trust and support in exchange for nothing." -- Beardo 22:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice the Herald fired a group of journalists the other day for taking money from the US government to write negative stories about Cuba. One of the journos was our man in Buenos Aires, Juan Manuel Cao who was in the shouting match with Castro on the balconey. I seem to remember Castro shouting something about "mercenary! Who is paying you!" etc before he was ushered away to have his stomach re-grafted. It seems we have our answer. Apologies for completely disregarding my own edict at the top of the page! --Zleitzen 22:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Anyway, EJ. What kind of population figure would you give for the Taino before Columbus arrived? I've read many differing reports ranging from a few thousand to 100,000. What kind of figure is most likely in your mind.--Zleitzen 22:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks EJ. I gather that Padre de las Casas was very much a protector figure of the native groups, so it would make sense that his estimates would be on the high side. I also didn't realise how political the Taino issue was until I looked into it in detail - various denials by historians over the years probably based on cooked Spanish records, countered by those who were keen to promote Taino identity at the expense of Afro-Cubans in the 19th century. Who were the "guis"?--Zleitzen 01:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Raul's baggage and personality

message: Is it true that Cuba has  one of the highest standards of living in latin america? Free health care, long life expectancy,no ghettos especialy when compared to say... Mexico, Columbia,Brazil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.2.43 (talk • contribs) on 03:25, 16 September 2006 
Obviously the Havana's slums are not ghettos because the Cuban government says they are not (:>) taking photos of such circumstances is forbidden, foreigners who do this are expelled.  The statistics you mention are not considered reliable since they are generated by the Cuban government which outlaws criticism and these reports are published by international agencies without change. Thus one should view all this with great caution.  It seems that there is an epidemic of dengue under way right now, apparently the Cuban government cannot convince either the mosquitoes or the virus that this is counter revolutionary.  El Jigue 9-17-06
::Dengue is effecting much of the Caribbean.  The Mosquitos live in rivers and streams and in order to fully irradicate them you'd have to pollute the stream to kill the larvae. CaribDigita 15:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking photos is only forbidden for east European models who are suspected of having a political agenda, and the like.  -- Beardo 13:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: UN Ranking on the standard of living in Cuba: 52nd (10th highest in the Americas).. considering the island is under an economic embargo it is still doing better than many... CaribDigita 15:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Except Dengue is transmitted by Aedes aegypti which prefers clean water (notwithstanding the TV campaign against old tyres and plastic containers). -- Beardo 13:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Your LA Times "living conditions in Cuba" article is a treat, EJ. "more than 50 people wait along a potholed sidewalk and broken curb for a bus that wheezes up to the stop already full". It is reassuring to read that the daily British past-time has gone global. --Zleitzen 08:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Standard of living

message: Unofficial reports coming out of Cuba now talk of hundreds of recent deaths and thousands ill from Dengue which is spreading through the island 
However, what is perhaps more disturbing are reports from Israel intelligence, usually friendly to the Cuban government to the point where members of the government investing there, now talk of Raul Castro's collaboration with Iranian terror groups  El Jigue 9-20-06
:The Israeli government is one of only two or three that vote for the US embargo at the UN. Cuba has denounced Israeli actions in Lebanon. (Interestingly that article doesn't differentiate between Raul and Fidel). -- Beardo 17:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Troubles in Cuba: dengue and coordination with Iranian terror

message: On the flip-side Cuba has I believe the lowest instance of HIV/AIDS in the entire Caribbean and I believe one of the lowest in the Americas. CaribDigita 18:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also said Cuba has manditory HIV/AIDS testing....  So everyone knows their status.  CaribDigita 18:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the AIDS statistics, I once heard one of the UN officials here being asked that same point.  She responded something along the lines - "If they are massaging the figures, where are all the sufferers?  We have access to all their hospitals, we can see how many patients there are." (OR ?) -- Beardo 20:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diseases in general or just dengue? 

message: I see there has been some activity again on the front page.
From a quick scan, whilst the citations clearly support the use of the phrase "Patria o Muerte", I can't see if that is officially the motto of the country, or (say) of the revolution - the two are closely intertwined but are distinct.
On http://www.cubagob.cu/ - under "Otra informacion", there are the symbols of the country - the flag, crest and hymn - but I can't see mention of the motto.
-- Beardo 12:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Motto for some discussion on the motto, Beardo. Consensus wasn't clear, I've added a few citations but it maybe the case that Cuba doesn't have an official motto anymore.--Zleitzen 12:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, the OED has - "patria f homeland, mother country, fatherland" -- Beardo 01:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I recall, users had been battling over fatherland vs motherland for months, when in fact the term has no gender or literal equivalent in English. It most closely means Homeland. I'm tending to think that the motto should go anyway if we can't get a decent citation.--Zleitzen 01:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sure that "homeland" is best - it is just that the others are not wrong. I have raised the question of the motto on Spanish wikepedia, too -  -- Beardo 21:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Indeed, EJ. I don't see the problem with Spanish language references used if necessary, but that is just me. In fact I don't think there is any strict ban on foreign language references at all. --Zleitzen 15:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Concerning the motto - our Spanish speaking collegues on their wikipedia seem no wiser or closer to resolution. I was holding onto Patria y Libertad - the old Marti motto -  until one user furiously informed me via an edit summary that it was certainly "Homeland or death" and I was an idiot for not knowing that! I'm edging ever closer to a removal of the motto for lack of confirmation. Would anyone object to that?--Zleitzen 10:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The more I read, the more I am convinced that we should remove it. All these phrases are probably used occasionnaly, or perhaps even often, as unofficial mottoes, but I see no convincing evidence that any of these is official. If there were an official motto, there probably wouldn't be so much discussion about it. Pruneautalk 14:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 'Homeland or death' on Cuban currency .  If it is not the official motto, it is pretty close... Myciconia  18:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the coin pretty convincing. By looking at a few other currencies, it does seem that the coins bear either the name of the state or its motto (often both). And this definitely shows that it has some official status. Thanks, Myciconia! Pruneautalk 16:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto 

message: "Taino etc. bloodlines are more prevalent or whatever than formally believed." The word formally should be changed to formerly.
150.203.2.85 10:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - but next time - do it yerself - you lazy sod ;-) MichaelW 10:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is semi-protected.  Unregistered users cannot edit it. -- Beardo 12:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formally -> Formerly in Demographics 

message: It seems that the Dengue epidemic is serious.  Tomas Estrada-
Palma has a rather hard hitting but well documented column on it in his blog.  
 El Jigue 9-25-6
:See also the Miami Herald article at El gobierno reconoce que hay dengue -- Polaris999 20:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dengue Dengue Dengue

message: To some it seems derived from Mussolini propaganda e.g.
CANZONE DEL LUPO (the wolf song?)
contains the lines "'Vogliamo per la Patria o vincere o morir'"
Il Lupo va dove si lotterà
Il Lupo va dove si vincerà
                                  
Noi siamo gli arditi del Battaglione “Lupo”
                             
Il nostro bel sangue a te Duce s’immola                                    
Il nome d’Italia la bocca fa gioir                                    
"'Vogliamo per la Patria o vincere o morir'"
Maggiore De Martino – Guidaci tu all’assalto
Terremo sempre in alto il nostro Tricolor
“Iterum Rudit Leo” è il nostro lieto motto
serriamoci più sotto, salviamo il nostro onor
                                 
Guardateci il verde noi siamo la speranza                                   
Vedete qui il rosso è il sangue dei fratelli                                   
Che gridan vendetta dal bel profondo mar
                                  
Noi siamo fanteria noi siamo marinar
Maggiore De Martino – Guidaci tu all’assalto
El Jigue 9-25-06
Perez Jr., Louis A. 2005 To Die In Cuba: Suicide and Society University of North Carolina Press, Raleigh NC  , pp. 338  “The cry ‘Patria y Libertad’ of 1958 was replaced by ‘Patria or Muerte’ in 1960, to which was added one year later ‘Socialismo o Muerte’ ” where Raúl Castro is cited in a long explanation proclaiming that ‘Socialismo’ is considered equivalent to ‘Patria’  and “After the explosion of [the French freighter] La Coubre …Fidel proclaimed ‘Patria o Muerte’.” Fidel’s statements then continued denying fatalism and parsing the matter to say unconvincingly that it does not mean that everybody it going to die.  El Jigue 9-26-06
:Thanks EJ, That is probably enough to convince me that we should keep the motto Patria o Muerte (though as Socialismo o Muerte doesn't appear on any coins I would hesitate to add that), I'd leave it to the motto expert Pruneau to make the final call on what should stay or go.--Zleitzen 14:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is - official to what ? The government, the "revolution", the party ?  Three things which are distinct but intertwined.  "Patria o muerte" appears on the coins but not, as far as I can see, on the notes. (Except in the background, along with "Cuba territorio libre de America".  -- Beardo 15:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More on official slogan

message: Not sure where to fit this in:
"Cuba has fired the heads of two of the country's most influential companies in a bid to bring the computing and telecommunications enterprises back under firm state control amid a national anti-corruption drive, industry sources said on Monday."
..."Valdes fired the president of Empresa de Telecomunicaciones de Cuba SA (Etecsa), Jose Antonio Fernandez, and the vice minister for information, Nelson Ferrer, for failing to control the fixed-line and mobile services monopoly, the sources said."
..."Valdez also fired the president of the powerful state-run Copextel corporation which imports, assembles and distributes advanced communications, computing and other technology, the sources said."
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2006-09-25T181627Z_01_N25288797_RTRIDST_0_CUBA-FIRINGS.XML
:-- Beardo 16:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ramirito makes a move ? 

message: I have 2 photos of the Freemasons' lodge in Matanzas Cuba. One is of the front and the other is a close up list of the senior members. Can some one inform me on how i can add this to the Cuba entry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.99.58.117 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 26 September 2006
:Thank you for that offer. To load an image, follow the upload file link which should appear to the left.  However, I don't think that the photos you mention really have relevance to the main Cuba article.  Perhaps you would like to start a separate article on Freemasons in Cuba ? -- Beardo 01:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freemasons in Cuba. 

message: *Prospects for black gold putting Cuba in suitors' sights
CaribDigita 01:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Several Multi-national oil cos. ready to boost Cuba's economy 

message: Today the Miami Herald reports that there is a dengue epidemic in Cuba and that it is being covered up .  Apparently now reports on mosquito spraying are allowed (no news there (:>)) mention of circumstance as an epidemic is still seemingly not allowed. Witness reports include: "There is a pile of dead people nobody talks about, said Arturo, a restaurant worker recruited by the Communist Party to fumigate Havana homes. ``A lot of people have gotten sick. A lot.'"  Here in all probability "pile" is the usual Cuban vernacular for "many." An interesting inference that can be drawn is that the "Comminist party" is in control.  That in turn may or may not infer that neither of the Castro brothers are in full control, and that Fidel is either dead or too sick to take command and Raul does not complete control the state apparatus. El Jigue 10-7-06
:Or perhaps the state apparatus has been collectively run for years and without the dominant personality of Fidel to block the view, the realities of Cuban governance are becoming more clear. MichaelW 23:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rueters and the AFP said Cuba was luanching an all-out assult on dengue ( Cuba wages war on tiny enemy: the mosquito that spreads dengue). So what's to cover up???  Also the Miami Herald was just implicated in an Anti-cuba bias along with the United States government. (Miami publisher resigns in uproar over anti-Castro payments). Do you have other sources? CaribDigita 23:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dengue epidemic now semi-official

message: A user has added this piece of information.
:The insurgency in Nicaragua which lead to the demise of the Somoza dynasty in 1979, was openly supported by the Cuban government, who providing aid, training, military weapons and refuge to Sandinista fighters. Cuba supported the Sandinista government, providing medical aid and soldiers with the support of the Soviet Union and other Eastern European nations. Castro lost the support of the Nicaraguan government when the Sandinistas were defeated by the pro U.S. party in the 1990 election.
Whilst the gist is certainly verifiable and true, it is quite detailed for what is already an overlong history section. We don't really go into the much more significant war in Angola. Of side interest is the fact that Castro himself was not overly supportive of the Sandanista victory in 1979 - seeing problems for Cuba and having reservations about the movement itself. A threat to his perceived position in Latin America perhaps.--Zleitzen 10:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicaragua

message: the history section of this article should be moved and merged into the 'History of Cuba' article, leaving only highlights in this article.   Hmains 04:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  history  

message: "Our referrer logs show an increase in search engine hits today with the search parameter "castro rumors." Thus I though it would be a good time to post this week's installment of "The castro Death Watch."
"Reports are fidel castro may be dead if, in fact, he is no longer living...."  
If Castro does not make an appearance most in and out of Cuba will consider him essentially non-functional and thus dead or as good as dead.  El Jigue 10-24-06
The Cuban  government may well be planning FC's funeral , El Jigue 10-26-06
In one sentence: Who the hell knows? That said, I don't think it would be at all surprising if he had died already. If that were the case, I would expect RC would want tto keep a tight lid on it until all of his ducks were in a row, worrying over possible reactions to the death. We shall see.
Goatboy95 19:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And did you see the quote from Lula last week ?  'I only regret that Fidel Castro did not carry out a process of political opening while he was alive,' -- Beardo 11:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This discussion, would be better suited for a Wiki-blog. GoodDay 00:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Castro Death Watch

message: Hugo Chavez, in his usual maladroit way states ""He is walking around already and goes out at night to tour the countryside, towns and cities. I'm soon going to go see you, Fidel," .  This statement of course has led to endless jokes about Castro as a night stalker, vampire etc.... El Jigue 10-28-06
Look at the  video with the sound off, perhaps it could be used for a remake of the night of the living dead. El Jigue 10-28-06
:This is all interesting, but your views belong on a Wiki-blog. All you're doing here is taking up space. Now if you have a complaint about this particular article (want to add to, or subtract). Then by all means discuss it here. GoodDay 18:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hugo Chavez infers that Castro is now a night stalker

message: Is Wikipedia really serious?  They are calling Cuba a socialist republic when it is really a communist country.  Do other socialist republic ration food?  ummm..I don't think so.  I have a family memeber who just left recently and she wrote us an e-mail telling us exactly what was rationed, after a I translate it I am posting it, becuase people will be amazed.  There is such a misconception that Cuban's have access to free health care and an education.  What good is a free education when you reach unveristy level you can only do 1 of 4 things and by the way the government will decide.  What good is free health care when the receptionist is bribed with bars of soap to ensure an appointment?  What good is free health care when there is no neosporin, bandaids, asthma inhalers, ibupofen and NO OTHER medical supplies on the island?  You can only travel when the government permits.  It never stops amazing me how much people really do not know about Cuba.Cerveza 22:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rationing does not equate to communism.  The UK had rationing in the 1940s and 1950s. (And anyway, the rationing in Cuba only applies to goods sold at what is in effect subsidised prices.) -- Beardo 01:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been discussed in the past - have a look in the archives. -- Beardo 12:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socialist Republic 

message: Have any of you ever heard of the ABC organization that fought against Batista's first "pseudo-presidency" in '33? The ABC were a group of revolutionaries whose stated goal was to depose the master of the "Sergeant's Revolt." Their history is often overlooked. I have some information on them in a few books at home - need to see if I can track the info down. Anyhow, I'm wondering if it's worth adding a few sentences in this entry. Perhaps it's more appropriate in the Batista entry though. . . 
Cheers,
Goatboy95 22:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've been getting calls to cut it down - so it may be worth creating a new article for the movement. The ABC's were originally set up to oppose the reign of Machado, I believe, demanding agrarian reforms and a limit to US interests - almost a direct pre-cursor to the "llano" of the 1950s Cuban revolution. I'm sure El Jigue has more to say on the matter if he's around.--Zleitzen 08:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Hello, El Jigue. Just curiouis, why won't you become a registered user on Wikipedia? GoodDay 23:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ABC organization 

message: It appears that Fidel Castro's cancer advances and that his "chemo" treatment has failed
See 
"HAVANA - Cuba's foreign minister backed away Monday from his prediction that
Fidel Castro will return to power by early December, raising questions about
the pace of the communist leader's recovery from intestinal surgery."
El Jigue 11-6-06
:If so, add this (varifiable) fact to the article. GoodDay 22:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He can't actually, as it is semi-protected again.  Sorry, EJ - that wasn't a move against you, but against all the mindless vandalism this page attracts. -- Beardo 11:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Has Castro "chemo" failed

message: GD Thank you.  However, I prefer to point out Wikipedia Cuba and related pages have many factual errors on Cuba.  The problem is that one cannot rely on official Cuban sources, nor to a somewhat lesser extent can one rely on the international media since all who enter Cuba this way do so after screening by the Cuban government.  Thus "verifiable facts" like the item I placed above is from an official Cuban government source, and thus by definition unreliable.  Thus to limit discussion on Cuba to "verifiable fact" means that this page will, until things change on the   island, merely reflect official Cuban government propaganda.    An example will follow.  El Jigue 11-7-06
For instance the Cuban government alleges that the US Embargo is responsible for the poor state of the Cuban economy. However, it is reported US food exports to Cuba have decreased this year .
This means that Cuba does import food (and medicine) from the US.  Elaborate  sophisms by the Cuban government are presented to "prove" that paying cash for imports from the US is unfair, carefully avoiding the fact that the Cuban government has very poor credit since it is in the habit of not paying.  Thus the discussion section on "Cuba facts" needs an analysis section or references to analyses, they cannot be taken at face value.  
Still if it is preferred I can be banned from these discussion pages, that way only "verifiable fact" can be presented.  Unfortunately for Castro supporters this leaves this Wikipedia page as it once was, and to some extent still is, merely a reflection of official Cuban sources. (:>)  El Jigue  11-7-06
:El Jigue, we don't want to muzzle you, or infringe on your freedom of speech. The arguement was simply the location of your observations. I can't speak for others, but would it be acceptable to you if I converse with you (on Cuban related events), on one of your IP address 'talk pages'? GoodDay 17:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: see my response, on your latest IP adress 'talk' page. GoodDay 18:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is verifiable fact on Cuba

message: As there have been a few concerns about the size of the history section, I thought I'd place the Cuban article in some kind of context, with a comparison to history sections on other pages. The following comes from a random selection of history sections.
*Mexico 813 words
*Netherlands 866 words
*New Zealand 1000 words
*Vietnam 1136 words
*Australia 1279 words (featured article)
*Canada 1543 words
*Nicaragua 1889 words
*Haiti 2043 words
*Cuba 3887 words
*Spain 5789 words
Any thoughts are welcome. One thing I would say is that although people may dispute individual aspects of the historical analysis on this page, in terms of style, I think it is the best written history section of any nation page.--Zleitzen 08:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't someone say something like "Cuba is a small country which produces more history than can be consumed internally" ? -- Beardo 22:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Size of history section

message: Is Castro still PM of Cuba? If so, it should be added to the article. GoodDay 23:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until otherwise informed, then yes. Though whether his phone is still plugged in is anyone's guess. I see some dispute about the PM status on the Fidel Castro page. I was always of the position that President of the Council of Ministers = prime minister, rather like yourself, but Polaris has made some further points of interest on this subject.--Zleitzen 08:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I've made changes to the Prime Minister of Cuba & List of Prime Ministers of Cuba articles. Fidel was the last PM of Cuba (serving 1959-76), abolishing the office upon becoming President. GoodDay 20:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime Minister of Cuba 

message: For those unaware, El Jigue (User:208.65.188.149) has been blocked for two weeks for activities on this and other talk pages. Various users including myself have questioned the need for the block.
Related discussion, blocks, etc. can be seen at User talk:208.65.188.149,  User_talk:Durova#El Jigue, User_talk:Durova#Regarding El Jigue User_talk:GoodDay#El_Jigue, User_talk:Dasondas#El_Jigue, User_talk:Zleitzen#El_Jigue and User_talk:Zleitzen#El_Jigüe. 
Any one wishing to comment on this block could perhaps go to User talk:208.65.188.149.--Zleitzen 20:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop blogging up the 'talk' pages, it's very annoying, disruptive & against Wikipedia rules & policies. GoodDay 23:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

text: See Bliki, for what blogging in Wikipedia is. GoodDay 21:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, stop calling be Buendia. Call me GoodDay. GoodDay 22:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Jigue block

message: I recently read in http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061112/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/us_watching_castro that Fidel Castro's health condition is deteriorating quickly. His deteriorating health means that he will live for only a few months before he dies. If Castro is dead after living his last months, Cuba's communist regime will collapse, his brother Raul and pro-Castro Cubans will mourn for Castro's death, and Castro's death will bring joy and hope to many anti-Castro Cubans.
:Since Raul Castro's been Acting President for over 3 months (and counting). I've added his name to the top infobox, pointing out he's Acting President of Cuba. If anyone disagrees with my edit, by all means revert it, I won't dispute it either way. GoodDay 23:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fidel Castro's end 

message: Could there be an article on post-castro Cuba?  It is a big topic, as Cuba has only had one leader since revolulucion. -Art.
:Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia isn't it? Dealing with what is, not what might be. MichaelW 20:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Next week's weather is of great interest to some of us but we're not going to make a page out of the possibilities.MichaelW 20:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great point, MichaelW. A post-Castro section, would indeed be crystal-balling. GoodDay 17:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Once again EJ has chosen to FORCE his Blogs on this talk page (also on Talk: Fidel Castro & Raul Castro). Apparently the 2-week ban he was given, had no effect. EJ stop BLOGGING, keep your blogs to your IP adress talk pages. GoodDay 21:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Why did you put that here (on this talk page)? You should have this on your own IP adress 'talk page'. GoodDay 20:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Better still, why not add it (or parts of it), to the article? You know, your're not banned from editing articles. GoodDay 21:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-Castro 

message: The CIA fact book which i do not fully trust because it apparently will not give data sources for health and other issues apparently prefering to accept Cuban government statistics lists 58 TV stations in 1959.  El Jigue 12-1-06 
:Well, if you don't trust what you've wrote down?(or at least, don't trust the varifiable sources?), why then did you includes this on this 'talk page'? GoodDay 23:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not disputing your facts Nor am I backing them. I'm just pointing out, if none of this can be added to the article? Why put it on this 'talk' page? GoodDay 23:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliability of Cuban health data

message: Great photo of plowing today at babalu site .    El Jigue 11-27-06
:Gad is there no low you won't sink to to promote your favourite anti-commie/Castro blog? MichaelW 20:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: El J your ability to make a lot out of a little must make you a valuable person to have around. I'd say given the state of the soil and the lack of rainfall which can be inferred from the picture that the amount of mud was just right. Did you consider that the child (freshly shorn) might have escaped from the house (where he was normally cossetted and not allowed out in the sun without a wide hat)and run down to see his grandpa at work. Actually, can you prove that the photo was taken recently in Cuba? Stick with the title you created if you wish but it still stands primarily as another attempt of yours to promote Babalublog as a useful resource.MichaelW 23:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Present state of Cuban Agriculture