Talk:List of contemporary artists

message: Some artists have been removed in a recent sweep by an IP address. Mostly I agree, but think the following should be returned:
*Annika Larsson Participated in the Venice Biennale
*Rita Ackermann Participated in the Whitney
*Peter Richards (artist) Venice
*Christian Holstad Work in museum collections
--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:15, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restored all the recent IP deletions, considering the above objections and pending agreement here...Modernist (talk) 04:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent removal of artists

message: Lists of names in this article should be sourced in accordance with WP:BLP. As there is no way of constantly maintaining linked articles, this applies to names which have a Wikipedia article as well as those that do not. Any name listed with no verifiable citations should be removed. Refer to WP:NLIST for guidance. Fæ (talk) 07:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists of names

message: Michiel Muyres is an artist : www.muyrescompany.com   
also: 
http://www.maastrichtaktueel.nl/dartagnan-pissoir-waldeckpark-start-serie-kunstwerkenproject-abk-studenten/
http://connect.dsm.nl/de-expositie/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.28.34.141 (talk) 13:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He does not meet the criteria at the top of the page however.Theroadislong (talk) 14:21, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Michiel Muyres

message: The list of contemporary artists contains a number of articles that are not meeting the criteria mentioned. I am proposing that the following artists be removed. I have tried to make sure that none of the artists listed here are in Category:Contemporary_artists or any of its subcategories, or similar categories like Category:Postmodern artists, I have also tried to make sure that none of the artists have been included in exhibitions like Documenta or the Venice Biennale, have received or have been nominated for awards like the Turner Prize or that a monograph on the artists by a major publisher such as Phaidon or Thames & Hudson exists. I'd like to point out, although I hope that this is unnecessary, that this list is not a reflection of my own aesthetic preferences, but rather an attempt to apply objective criteria to establish which artists should be listed. It is quite possible, even likely, that I have overlooked something, so I would appreciate some feedback before I proceed with the edit. Michiel Duvekot 02:45, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I am proposing further changes to the list. Some artists listed are still not meeting the criteria for inclusion, and some important contemporary artists are missing. I have used artfacts.net to check the ranking of the artists, and took a ranking of less than 2000 as a cut-off. I then checked if they are in any major collections, their prices at auction and if a monograph exists. In some cases I can see why they might still qualify despite their <2000 ranking. I have indicated that with weak keep.  Artists that should be added because they do meet the criteria for inclusion are listed under the heading Add. 
===Remove===
* Javier Arevalo not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, <$2000 at auction, no monograph
* Mino Argento not listed on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, $500 at auction, no monograph
* Thierry Bisch not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, >$20000 at auction, (self published?) monograph
* Chinwe Chukwuogo-Roy not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections,  $2000 at auction, no monograph
* Jon Coffelt not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Sam Dillemans ranks 46860 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Mark Divo ranks 13321  on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Joel Ducorroy ranks 17420 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Guy Denning ranks  73934 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Jane Frank is not not a contemporary artist, abstract expressionism not post-1970 contemporary
* Peter Grzybowski not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Harry Gamboa, Jr. ranked 53562 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* H.R. Giger ranked 7064 on artfacts.net, has own museum, high auction prices, has monographs, not sure if magical realism is a form of contemporary art?
* Saskia Holmkvist weak keep ranked 4155 on artfacts, in major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* John Stuart Ingle not listed on artfacts.net,  in major collections (Metmuseum),  $6000-$8000 at auction,  has monograph, not really a contemporary artist perhaps?
* Michael Jansen (artist) ranked 99872 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Mary Jordan (filmmaker) not listed on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no monograph
* Gerry Judah ranked 59246 on artfacts.net,  not in any major collections, $9800 at auction, no monograph
* Nabil Kanso not listed on artfacts, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Jonathon Keats ranked 14657 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Manfred Kielnhofer ranked 18557 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, $2500 at auction, no monograph, 
* Scott Kildall ranked 46065 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Miru Kim ranked 27762 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Allan Linder not listed on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph, probably doesn't even meet WP:NOTE
* Claude-Max Lochu not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, $1000 at auction, no monograph
* Lennie Lee  not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no monograph
* Cecilia Lundqvist weak keep ranked 7454 on artfacts.net, in Centre Pompidou - Musée National d´Art Moderne, Paris,  no auction records, no monograph
* Totte Mannes not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, <$1000 at auction, no monograph
* Ksenia Milicevic not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, < $5000 at auction, no monograph
* Loren Munk ranked 27414 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections,  < $3000 at auction, no monograph
* Leonard_van_Munster ranked 55266 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Alexander Ney weak keep, ranked 21124 on artfacts.net, important collections, has monograph 
* Daniel Ng redirects to Daniel Wu, an actor. There is a non-notable artist called Daniel Ng 
* Graham Nicholls not listed on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Ted Noten ranked 10039 on artfacts.net, in major collections (MoMA), can't find auction prices, has monograph
* Pedro Pedraja not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Stefano Pasquini ranked 35746 on artfacts.net, not in major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Oliver Payne and Nick Relph weak keep, ranked 2742 on artfacts.net, in major collection (Saatchi), Relph $8000 at auction, no monograph
* Jacques Pellegrin not listed on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, <$1000 at auction, no monograph
* Richard Piegza not listed on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* William Powhida weak keep ranked 5960 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, <$2500 at auction, no monograph
* Ken Rinaldo ranked 41528 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Marc Rembold ranked 12871 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Michael Salter  ranked 22813 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph 
* Arthur Sarkissian not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Stefanie Schneider ranked 5159 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, +/- $2500 at auction, no monograph 
* Erik Sommer not listed on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph 
* Helmut Tollmann not ranked on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph, one show in a minor museum in 2006, 
* Jacek Tylicki not listed on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph, notability questionable
* Cybele Varela 33221 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, monograph
* Magnus Wallin weak keep ranked 2737 on artfacts.net, in major collection, no monograph, Venice 2001
* Monika Weiss ranked 8077 on artfacts.net, in major collection, no auction records, monograph
* Jerry Wilkerson ranked 94621 on artfacts.net as Jerry O. Wilkerson not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
* Xing Xin  ranked 47250 on artfacts.net,  not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph 
* Yang Maolin ranked 14706 on artfacts.net aka Yang Mao-lin, not in any major collections, > 10K at auction, , no monograph 
* Zheng Lianjie ranked 78200 on artfacts.net, not in any major collections, no auction records, no monograph
===Add===
* John M Armleder
* Georg Baselitz 
* Alighiero Boëtti
* Marcel Broodthaers
* Daniel Buren
* Harun Farocki 
* Hans-Peter Feldmann
* Günther Förg
* Andreas Gursky
* Thomas Hirschhorn
* Robert Mapplethorpe
* Christian Marclay
* Gordon Matta-Clark
* Jonathan Monk
* François Morellet
* Vik Muniz
* Claes Oldenburg
* Tony Oursler
* Raymond Pettibon
* Michelangelo Pistoletto
* Arnulf Rainer
* Dieter Roth
* Thomas Struth
* Hiroshi Sugimoto
* Erwin Wurm
:This is now complete. I have kept the artists I marked as weak keep in the list. Michiel Duvekot (talk)|(contribs)  23:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further cleanup and additions 

message: * John M Armleder
* Georg Baselitz 
* Alighiero Boëtti
* Marcel Broodthaers
* Daniel Buren
* Harun Farocki 
* Hans-Peter Feldmann
* Günther Förg
* Andreas Gursky
* Thomas Hirschhorn
* Robert Mapplethorpe
* Christian Marclay
* Gordon Matta-Clark
* Jonathan Monk
* François Morellet
* Vik Muniz
* Claes Oldenburg
* Tony Oursler
* Raymond Pettibon
* Michelangelo Pistoletto
* Arnulf Rainer
* Dieter Roth
* Thomas Struth
* Hiroshi Sugimoto
* Erwin Wurm
:This is now complete. I have kept the artists I marked as weak keep in the list. Michiel Duvekot (talk)|(contribs)  23:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Add

message: There are a number of artists who are listed in both List of modern artists and List of contemporary artists. The page List of modern artists suggests that both lists should be mutually exclusive. 
A list of artists that appear in both lists is below. I would like to propose that they are removed from one of the lists so that they appear in either the list of contemporary artists or in the list of modern artists, but not both, unless there is a compelling reason to do so, as in the case of artists who have made important contributions to both modern and contemporary art, as with for example Louise Bourgeois. Category:Modern artists uses a similar criterion to the one used for List of modern artists : dating from the late 19th century until approximately the 1970s. :Category:Contemporary artists dates the contemporary period 1960s to present, and the article Contemporary art goes as far back as the 1950. I would suggest that 1970 can work, perhaps with some exceptions for pre-70s work that is clearly postmodern.  I'll make an attempt for all listed artists. based on the movement(s) they have belonged to.  For example: 
Modern: Nouveau Realisme, Abstract Expressionism, Surrealism, Constructivism, Dada, Neo-Dada, Fluxus, Pop Art, Color Field painting, Lyrical abstraction, Tachisme, Art Brut, Post-painterly abstraction, Op art, Hard-edge painting, Minimal art
Contemporary: Conceptual art, Postminimalism, Installation art, Land Art, Performance art, Video art, New British Sculpture, YBAs, Neo-expressionism
Michiel Duvekot (talk)|(contribs)  21:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I added my input above...Modernist (talk) 21:21, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input,  I agree that there is much that is very subjective, and a lot of art resists categorization. I think consistency is a good thing. It makes maintenance easier. I care less about whether Fluxus is a postmodern movement or not (our idea about what is contemporary is likely to change) than that Fluxus artists belong together (that will probably not change). Michiel Duvekot (talk)|(contribs)  22:40, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overlap with list of modern artists 

message: In my opinion one list is sufficient and each list is fine to maintain. To draw miniscule distinctions between artists born in the same era, and in some cases the same year, is essentially too subjective; and too empirical. Some contemporary artists belong on both lists - no big deal...Modernist (talk) 21:14, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I added my input above...Modernist (talk) 21:21, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input,  I agree that there is much that is very subjective, and a lot of art resists categorization. I think consistency is a good thing. It makes maintenance easier. I care less about whether Fluxus is a postmodern movement or not (our idea about what is contemporary is likely to change) than that Fluxus artists belong together (that will probably not change). Michiel Duvekot (talk)|(contribs)  22:40, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern v. contemporary

message: I'd like to add Raymond Saunders back onto this list, he is an important American artist with works in MoMA (NY and SF), National Gallery of Art (Washington DC), and Philadelphia Museum of Art, among others (see artcyclopedia). Also, he was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship(1976) and two National Endowment for the Arts Awards(1977, 1984) (see artnet) and has been included in myriad publications including the Thames & Hudson title "Black art and culture in the 20th century" which uses his work as the cover image.Circa73 (talk) 18:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The article about Saunders has only one reference. (That I just fixed, BTW). I'm all for taking a MUCH better look at black artists, so let's see if we can come up with something, but I don't think that inclusion in this list appropriate given the current state of the article.  Mduvekot (talk) 20:23, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The article about Saunders now has 23 references, I've added him back on. Glad to hear you interested in taking a better look at artists of the African Diaspora (ahem) Mduvekot, I've added several additional names to the list as wellCirca73 (talk) 02:01, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raymond Saunders (artist) 

message: Hello - I added myself to the list of contemporary artists as I qualify for all the criteria- and have been removed twice. 
My name is Emma Somerset Davis 
I co- founded and was lead artist with the internationally reknowned art/architecture groundbreaking collaborative practice Fashion Architecture Taste in 1991. Working with them to 2008.  I have exhibited internationally at Venice Biennale, Manifesta, V and A, Tate etc etc. I continue to exhibit and make works- painting, sculpture and performance internationally and I am well known in my field. 
I am at least as well known and regarded by my peers as many of the artists on the list. 
EmmaSomDavis (talk) 22:22, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The article on the artist must be written first, preferably by someone other than the artist. Bus stop (talk) 22:27, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emma Somerset Davis 

message: So, uh... Why is the website artfacts.net given any attention on this discussion page, and why should it be relevant to whether an artist be included in the list? Artfacts looks like some kind of hokey investors' scheme, and has nothing to do with art as art.zadignose (talk) 08:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  artfacts.net??