Talk:Influence and reception of Friedrich Nietzsche

message: "Even George Santayana, an American philosopher whose life and work betray some similarity to Nietzsche's, dismissed Nietzsche in his 1916 Egotism in German Philosophy as a "prophet of Romanticism"."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.249.111.52 (talk) 10:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: After World War II???

message: For the letter to Nietzsche's sister, citing a website does not seem like the most appropriate reference. Is this letter published somewhere? If not, who owns the letter? Similarly, who translated the letter? (PhilipDSullivan 20:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Letter to Nietzsche's Sister

message: I have given close to a month for a response on this problem to the letter citation and there has been none. I checked the website and I have found no indication as to where the letter is located, who has published it, or who has translated it. I am removing the text and quote in the article making reference to this article. Below is the section being removed incase there is an argument for its survival. PhilipDSullivan 23:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Made the decision to delete

message: The opening paragraph seems a bit weak to me. This could be because this entire article seems to me to not live up to its title. But maybe if we can propose a structure, purpose, and definition of what we truly aim to achieve in this opening paragraph the rest of the article will by neccesity fall into a better place.  PhilipDSullivan 04:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening Paragraph

message: The list of trivia building is nothing more than a list of trivia, and it seems to have items of self promotion items. If we allow one we will have to allow any reference ever made to nietzsche by any band or author and I have to ask how will this service our article? This type of information would be suitable in an article about trivial facts associated with nietzsche but I believe it degrades the value of this attempt at something good. I am going to delete the entire section of items that seem trivial. If there is an arguement to keep any of these PLEASE talk about it here first. I can understand how some seem appropriate but as the list continues into the absurd there seems to be no suitable place to draw the line and thus the line seems best drawn at the threshold. PhilipDSullivan 04:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Some unassuming editor, when introducing Bertrand Russell's critique/anger of Nietzsche, wrote that "Russell might have been defamatory but his presentation nevertheless remains highly accurate..." Defamation, by definition, is "the act of saying false things..." (Merriam-Webster) -- so how can Russell’s statements be "highly accurate" yet saying "false things"? Some other parts were also subject to editorial bias that I didn't bother to remove. For example, I don't know how accuracy of this statement: "[Russell's critique] attains a better representation of the philosopher than the vast majority of contemporaneous writers."
Eyeofpie 12:39, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Other POV

message: Is it really that interesting that the outspoken Christian author Chesterton had contempt for Nietzsche? Do we really need a giant block quotation from him expressing his somewhat obtuse interpretation that Nietzsche's philosophy was clinically wrong? I don't think so. — goethean ॐ 23:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giant Chesterton quotation 

message: I'm surprised there´s a whole page on his reception and no page whatsoever on criticism on him! He must have detractors and critics, why nothing of that is shown in a heading of its own?Undead Herle King (talk) 06:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: I would like to propose this page to be distinguished as exemplary of Wikipedia as the ultimate monument to Civilization's final and grotesque collapse. The general idiocy of this endless accumulation of senseless, soulless, and even mindless "information" reaches a obvious climax when it refers to Nietzsche, who perceived this fate before it became this obvious. But I guess this had to be, as well as all the rest. Sorry for this bit of thought in a place where it is proscribed. Adieu.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.169.251 (talk) 17:36, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idiocy 

message: I know my time here is short. I just honestly have a question for everybody here: why ON EARTH is such ostentatious, unbalanced pride of place given to the Left-Wing Post-Structuralist interpretive consensus on Nietzsche?
I cited Ernst Nolte in academic regularity, and was summarily censored. Ditto Georges Simmel on Nietzsche, etc.
Recently I cited Nietzsche's very own overjoyed approval of the designation of "aristocratic radicalism" applied to his meta-politics by a late admirer -- and was summarily censored.
Similar things, ad infinitum, ad nauseaum.
WHY IS THERE SUCH BIASED, IDEOLOGICALLY-DRIVEN, GROSSLY DISTORTED CONFORMITY TO THE IDOLS OF THE PRESENT AGE INSTEAD OF INTELLECTUALLY TENABLE, DISINTERESTED PRESENTATION ON WIKIPEDIA, EVERYWHERE?! WHY DO THE EDITORS NOT STRIVE FOR OBJECTIVITY EVEN SLIGHTLY?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 (talk) 23:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Meta-Logic of the Excessive Valuation of Post-Structuralists 

message: The article stated: Perhaps one of the most authentic interpreters of Nietzsche in the anarchist sub-culture was Dora Marsden (1882-1960), initially a conventional Stirnerian egoist anarchist but over time breaking from the anarchist-socialist metaphysics, and creating her own philosophy of pure "Archism"—Marsden was so radical she abhorred the Proudhonian-mutualist "liberalism" advocated by Benjamin R. Tucker (1854-1939), an American whose Americanist ideas he conjoined awkwardly to Stirnerian egoism, and whose "anarchism" was hammered by Marsden as contemptible "clerico-liberterianism"  Regarding the remnants of Leftist utopian and democratic elements in Stirner's anthropology and anarchism, Marsden's Nietzschean "Archism" achieved the ultimate internecine critique of Stirner.
The section passes judgment in many ways without backing them up by quotations. Also, I do not understand why the reception by Dora Marsden is so important as to require a section of its own. -- Zz (talk) 16:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Dora Marsden 

message: "Theodore Herzl incorporated Nietzschean ideas of honor, war, and statecraft into his Zionist philosophy and specified the future "Jewish state" was to resemble, in a sense, the Prussian caste state of feudalistic aristocrats dedicated to war as a path of life."
How absurdly incorrect. There is nothing of the sort in Altneuland, his vision of the future Jewish state. Can the person who wrote this provide a reference?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.20.94 (talk) 16:19, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhh...what I take from this endless rambling is that Herzl was editor-in-chief of a paper where Buber published a poem where he simply said he hoped God would strike Jews with the insight that Europe was too anti-Semitic to live there, and at the same time with a new optimism to take their lives into their own hands. Our anonymous IP rambler takes this as some kind of "proof" that Herzl wanted Israel to believe in belligerence and lead an eternal war to "keep fit", supposedly due to Nietzsche's aristocratic militarism and his morality of master supermen. Such baiting stupidity hardly warrants a reply, but I just wanted to point this stupidity of an interpretation out. --2003:71:4E6A:B448:C935:3E86:E266:C191 (talk) 20:00, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theodore Herzl 

message: This morning an IP was blocked after a discussion at ANI, partially for adding original research in fairly obscure language and trolling. One very experienced editor cmmented that "The contributions are gibberish and many of them, to the extent understandable, are alarming." He made 2 edits here - they are  He's also added pov phrases, et "not without reason", etc. This really needs cleaning up by someone familiar with the article. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 14:20, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  December IP edits 

message: The sentence
 Indeed, as Ernst Nolte proposed, Maurrassian ideology of "aristocratic revolt against egalitarian-utopian 'transcendence'" (transcendence being Nolte's term for the ontological absence of theodic center justifying modern "emancipation culture"), the interrelation between Nietzschean ideology and proto-fascism offer extensive space for criticism and the Nietzschean ambiance pervading French ideological fermentation of extremism in time birthing formal Fascism, is unavoidable.
Seems grammatically ambiguous at best. Consider it in stripped form:
 Indeed, as Nolte proposed, Maurrassian ideology, the interrelation between N and F offer extensive space for criticism and the Nietzschean ambiance, is unavoidable.
Is it supposed to mean all three are unavoidable (plural form),
Or that because of Maurrassian ideology and/or the interrelation between Nietzschean ideology &etc., then 'Nietzschean ambiance pervading French ideological fermentation' or 'extensive space for criticism' or something else is unavoidable
Or that, as Nolte proposed, Maurrassian ideology and the interrelation between N and F, offer extensive space for criticism.  And also that "the Nietzschean ambiance pervading French ideological fermentation of extremism in time birthing formal Fascism, is unavoidable" ?
(also, re-reading it, does "the Nietzschean ambiance pervading French ideological fermentation of extremism in time birthing formal Fascism..." mean
'the Nietzschean ambiance pervading French ideological fermentation of extremism which, in time, birthed formal Fascism...' or
'the Nietzschean ambiance pervading French ideological fermentation of extremism in the time of the birthing of formal Fascism...' ? )
--RProgrammer (talk) 06:13, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  mildly undecipherable grammar, but I can't fix it..since I can't decipher it 

message: The section on Nietzsche's legacy in psychoanalysis should not only have Freud chronologically at the top, but would also greatly benefit of quite some material from Sigmund Freud: Freud selectively read Nietzsche already as a university student, when Nietzsche died in 1900 Freud bought his collected works, confessing to his friend Wilhelm Fließ that he hoped to find in Nietzsche's works "the words for much that remains mute in me" (but obviously went on to not read them for some time out of some odd kind of numinous fear and respect, as if Nietzsche was too revealing and uncanny to him), Freud's thought and views have been compared to Nietzsche's almost immediately since early in his career (Paul Roazen, in Dufresne, Todd (ed). Returns of the French Freud: Freud, Lacan, and Beyond. New York and London: Routledge Press, 1997, p. 13), and Camille Paglia literally referred to Freud as "Nietzsche's heir". --2003:71:4E6A:B448:C935:3E86:E266:C191 (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychoanalysis 

message: This article needs more work on the reception of Nietzsche's work by analytical philosophers. It is certainly true that for a very long time, analytical philosophers tended to treat him as being mainly a literary figure and so not taking too seriously as a philosophical thinker. However, that started to change in the 1960's with the appearance of such works as Arthur Danto's 1965 book, Nietzsche as Philosopher, which I believe was the first full-length study of Nietzsche by an analytical philosopher. Then there is Alexander Nehamas's 1985 book Nietzsche: Life as Literature.
JimFarm (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:45, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Analytical philosophers on Nietzsche 

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