Talk:Ōkami/Archive 1

message: Something just doesn't seem right about that portion of the entry. If it were just a passing comment in one of the other sections that would be fine, but an entirely new section seems a little extreme.
Comments like: "Smashable pots" in relation to the Zelda series is rediculous. Thats like comparing almost every FPS to Goldeneye because they both have exploding barrels. Almost sounds like fanboyism. --MajorCOW 22:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Similarities to Zelda: Unnecessary?

message: The game sold horribly in japan(at least initially), anyone have anymore detailed information about that? Hitmaker 00:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese Sales

message: what is the story line ? if you think about it , it is actullay about those gods who are trying to bring back the color of the world.
But, until now there are no further info about all this , what we know is so littele , wich makes us think , maybe the game does not offer to much ? ..........
:I actually know absolutely nothing about the storyline, but based on the OST, the main villian is a "Lord of Eternal Darkness", while one of the ending themes is "Okami White Light Majesty"..color makes sense then, since black is the absence of color and white is all the colors in the spectrum.—ウルタプ 22:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  okami  

message: "For those who preordered the game, the game came with a limited edition art board/buddha."
The Buddha Board/ Art Board was a preorder special only from EB Games and Gamestop.  If the game was preodered else where, it never came with Art board / Buddha Board. I would change this myself but I lack resources to prove this.
:You're right about the pre-order special only from those two stores. I re-worded the sentence so it makes more sense. --Snkcube 07:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buddha Board/ Art Board 

message: I don't find the recent change of the Trivia section necessary. There are numerous parodies, cameos, and tie ins to numerous games. Many of which are extremely precise and tying them all under a single statement seems to go against the point of that entire section. Am I the only one that feels this way?  VerasGunn 21:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe, but on the other hand, trivia sections should be used sparingly.  Having a list of unincorporated (if exact) quotes tends to encourage people to expand it with just about every funny line and reference they encounter, which in turn can result in a rather large trivia section.  --Stratadrake 12:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, that is understandable. I thank you for answering my question. VerasGunn 06:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though if you want, specifically mentioning just one or two of the references (e.g., "such as the 'Let's rock, baby!' ") shouldn't hurt any....  --Stratadrake 12:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia changes

message: The game has quite a large number of characters, and it could make this article look cluttered.24.97.33.132 15:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would a "List of characters in Ōkami" article be appropriate? 

message: It strikes me as odd that above the content box it is noted that a demo of the game was featured in two copies of Official PlayStation Magazine. This has nothing to do with the game itself. I will delete it. If anyone disagrees, say so.--Soetermans 20:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why the hell it'd be a problem. 24.97.33.132 14:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say it's a problem, I say it doesn't fit in an encyclopedia. It resembles advertising aswell. I'm against it, but one might put a note at the bottom, but this was right above the content box, if it were more important. --Soetermans 21:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  demo featured in OPM 

message: I added two tables for the vary brush techniques (the 13 Celestial ones, and the others that you use otherwise).  I know there's more information that can be added which I don't have access to presently; for the 13 techniques, I think the name of the god that gave them to Ammy, the name of the technique, the kanji used (which is listed in the manual), and maybe an example picture for each.  Similar ideas for the second table, though as these aren't part of the Celestial Techiques, they won't have the same stuff (like the god granting it to Ammy).  Masem 16:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Celestial Techniques are brush techniques from the 15 brush gods. So the Sun and Moon technique belong in this category. Amaterasu is one of the brush gods. Nobody gave her the Sun technique because this is her own unique ability as a brush god. The brush god Yumigami gave Ammy the Moon technique to use. My source: the official strategy guide from Brady games. Rumpelstiltzkin 01:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 15 seems off - I can't find a good list of which constellations that you unlock and what they give you, however, I am pretty sure that the animals that represent the gods number 13 - the Chinese Zodiac with the addition of the cat (yeah, too much Fruits Basket for me).  Plus I distinctly remember Issun saying that there were 13 Celestial Techniques that he's after.  The manual lists 12 gods in the back (p37).    I also popped the game back in at a late save, and the information on says that, for example, the Sunrise stroke is a "Celestial Brush power".  In other words, I think there is a distinction between god-granted techniques aka the Celestial Techniques, and those that you can do with the brush, and some of the helper ones you learn. Masem 02:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aaaaannd never mind, I see where it is.  The 3 greenery ones would be grouped as one overall technique (with three methods of invocation) as to keep the number 13 in mind.  I believe I've ID'd all the zodiac animals correctly, the only two I can't tell without going back and playing the game would be Cresent and Blizzard, which, after Iding the rest, is between rabbit and boar, and I'm pretty sure the boar was last. Masem 02:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aannnd never mind x2 - manual confirms that "rabbit on the moon" (tying in with how I've got it now in the table) is correct.Masem 02:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, great job cleaning up the table. Now if we can only get screenshots of the techniques... 'Fraid that's beyond my jurisdiction. Need to seriously upgrate my computer. Rumpelstiltzkin 05:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Not to be a nag, but is a complete table even necessary to begin with?  Wikipedia is not a videogame guide.  While this certainly isn't on the level of, say, describing a game's particular controller button mappings, it strikes me as pretty indiscriminate.  --Stratadrake 12:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen other game pages on wiki that have a basic list and description of the powers/abilities, etc. (Pyschonauts, for example).  Also, there are ways to link up some of the mythology aspects with other articles on Wikipedia, similar to what I suggested about minor characters above - eg these have a story and/or reason, and here's what it is.   But I don't believe we need anything more beyond this in terms of game play detail.  But that's partially the reason I made this block it's own section - if it's decided it's too much for Wiki, it can be cut and pasted elsewhere without too much work. Masem 13:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see -- though I don't totally agree on the subject of listing everything.  For comparison, do we really need a list of all the bosses, or can we trim it down to the really significant ones and integrate them with the article's context?  --Stratadrake 12:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think looking at the Windwaker article (since the size and scope of the two games are similar) for ideas where to take Okami's entry is worthwhile.  The WW article (which I note is FA-rated) has two sub pages for weapons/items and for characters.  Obviously, with the minimal amount of time this game's been out compared to WW, we're still a good ways away from having full lists.   (Plus I don't think there's as many Okami fanatics yet as there are Zelda ones to keep playing and dig up all the names and the like).  We could make these sub pages now, one for characters, one for items and powers, but they'd be rather sparse, but this would allow for expansion beyond what would be there for cluttering up the main Okami page.  As the lists are presently, I think they're pretty good, nowhere near exhaustive, but give a start for someone looking into Okami's mythology references.Masem 15:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brush technique tables 

message: Should I have added metacritic's entry for Okami in the External links?  I'm unfamiliar with the policy of wiki in regards to such sites.  --Havermayer 20:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metacritic link