Talk:Wernicke encephalopathy

message: I read in The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat by Oliver Sacks that exterme bulimia can lead to Wernicke's encephalopathy. This agrees with the fact that prolonged vomiting is mentioned among the causes in the first paragraph of this article. 
Should it be added?
--124.62.255.251 18:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No (see WP:MEDRS-- secondary reviews are preferable).  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sacks

message: I slightly edited the opening paragraph to better reflect that alcoholism, much less severe alcoholism, isn't a necessary prerequisite to developing this syndrome. Since the body does not stock thiamine (as it does with say, Vitamin A in the liver), and because alcohol interferes with its uptake, even excessive drinking over a few days can cause or significantly contribute to a deficiency that can lead to this syndrome. 68.196.122.197 12:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction paragraph 

message: I've edited some small reference errors in the introduction. Maybe an expert can review this? Especially the last sentence.
Strompf (talk) 22:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction paragraph (2) 

message: impairment of short-term memory is a symptome of Korsakoff syndrome not Wernicke's encephalopathy, now indeed WE may be followed in long term by the Korsakoff syndrome and thus leading to short term deficit. But it's a whole new syndrome.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medbenmedben (talk • contribs) 01:27, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short term memory and Wernicke's encephalopathy 

message: Some of the references are very local guidance documents that are not very suitable for encyclopedia content.  seems better. JFW | T@lk 16:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newcastle & Fife 

message: I have marked this page for cleanup. This is for the following reasons:
* Standard of writing not following Neutral Point of View standard
* Link farming as previously removed from page
* Issues relating to structure and order. This article does not give distinguish between common and unusual symptomatology.
* Explanations are confusing and abbreviated.
* Claims are made which are not reflected in current English-language medical literature, including about the classification of subsets of beriberi, without adequate citation. This might be better labelled as controversy.
* Citations are not made properly.
This article could be improved if:
* Links were integrated as references into the article
* The article incorporated more English-language links
* Explanations, particularly of pathophysiology, were made more explicit.
* The style of writing used is according to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy [].
This is a fascinating topic and the content on this page is wonderful. However it could use some improvement. I will continue to work on improving this article and look forward to constructive dialogue with others involved. LT90001 (talk) 07:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to this article for reference purposes and started cleanup but partial re-writes are not sufficient to save it. I will return after some consideration. Fydfyd (talk) 19:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

text: It was expanded extensively by an editor who has little experience with WP:MEDMOS, WP:MEDRS and citation templates. The cleanup would be a labour of love for which I currently do not have the time. Any improvements will be welcomed. JFW | T@lk 19:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I re-posted the multiple issues warning box.
I did that for a reason. The page is a mess. I don't know if the editors who have been working on this understand the English language.
FYI-I have been in hospitals where I have seen with my own eyes, doctors and nurses who have "Googled" for medical information. I know that is not Wikipedia's responsibility, but it happens. 
-But for that reason, and also the atrocious mess of grammar, I am suspicious about the prescribing information. 
The warning at the top of the article should stay if only to warn people that the info. is suspect.24.0.133.234 (talk) 18:20, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. This article needs to be based on secondary sources per WP:MEDRS. Large number of primary sources keep getting added.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 18:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto. This is not a case for cleanup by minor editing. It needs radical removal of all the unstructured mess that's been thrown in over the past few months: a revert back to (say) 20th February . Gordonofcartoon (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes looking at the changes it seems that they are primarily the addition of a large number of primary sources. Just because one subacute cause occurred in someone with gastric syphilis does not make it a cause. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:46, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  HEY 

message: OK so after some research, I have determined that the editor who has been adding a great deal of info. to this article is not a native speaker of the English language.
That being said, I think that they have added to the topic. I am proposing that said editor, User:Luis cerni, in future edits to the article, please post edits here on the talk page, as opposed to the article directly, so that a translation can be applied before it is added to the article. 24.0.133.234 (talk) 06:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: [[User:Luis cerni]] edits to this article 

message: It is unacceptable to have removed some of the common causes of Wernicke's encephalopathy: Excessive vomiting, Prolonged parenteral nutrition, anorexia, malabsorption of nutrients, thyrotoxicosis and renal dialysis. This is well documented in the references. I would appreciate more prudence and research on what they are modifying. The article has been reviewed and accepted by other American physicians. I can only accept my limitations in handling the language and the rules of Wikipedia. Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Luis ........Luis cerni (talk) 23:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have secondary sources to support this? A single case study does not make these "causes". Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 19:24, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Hi

message: The English is not my native language but I have written a serious article. Initially, with few references, but then I demanded that it should add references, and I attended that order. The article establishes the last criteria about a very common disease, and diagnosed only 10%, and which is surrounded by old notions and prejudices. So little is known that in the early years of bariatric surgeries, there was 94% of Wernicke encephalopathies. My work has provoked the interest of G Sechi, a reference in this encephalopathy, and has prompted the British Medical Journals ask me to correct an investigation. Mr. XX not judge if "do not have the science background or access to medical journals". Physicians, please investigate because the old criteria WE are causing many deaths and sufferings in 90% of patients who fail to be diagnosed, or are only treated with thiamine.
If you have questions do not hesitate to contact me but not destroyed.
Cheers, Luis cerni ........Luis cerni (talk) 23:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't just an issue of English, there is a substantial amount of incorrect or misleading information in the article.  For example the epidemiology section seriously misrepresents the literature.  What the literature says is that in developed countries the great majority of cases are associated with alcoholism, but in underdeveloped countries (such Brazilian) a substantial number of cases are caused by malnutrition. Looie496 (talk) 19:22, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Luis, it sounds like you are saying you disagree with reliable sources, and that the text you are adding based on primary sources amounts to original research or undue weight.  If you will confine your editing to what is stated in sources that are compliant with Wikipedia guidelines for editing medical articlers, there is less chance your work will be deleted.  Saludos, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Hi 2

message: ABOUT some erased common causes......................................... 
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MEDLINEPLUS...............
" Malabsortion.  Other conditions that may cause thiamine deficiency include:
AIDS
Cancers that have spread throughout the body.
Extreme nausea and vomiting during pregnancy (hyperemesis gravidarum).
Heart failure (when treated with long-term diuretic therapy).
Long periods of intravenous (IV) therapy without receiving thiamine supplements.
Long-term dialysis.
Very high thyroid hormone levels (thyrotoxicosis).
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http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000771.htm
List of cases of Wernicke encephalopathy reported in non alcoholic subjects 
 CLINICAL CONDITION........................ No.  %  
 Cancer.....................................113 18.1 
 Gastrointestinal surgery...................105 16.8
 Hyperemesis gravidarum......................76 12.2
 Starvation/Fasting..........................64 10.2
 Gastrointestinal tract diseases.............48 7.7
 AIDS........................................31 5.0
 Malnutrition................................26 4.2 
 Dialysis and renal diseases.................24 3.8
 Parenteral nutrition........................24 3.8
 Vomiting....................................15 2.4
 Psychiatric-diseases........................15 2.4
 Stem cell/marrow transplantation............14 2.2
 Infections...................................9 1.4
 Intoxication.................................9 1.4
 Thyroid-diseases.............................8 1.3
 Unbalanced diet..............................6 1.0 
 Iatrogenic...................................5 0.8
 Hypoxic encephalopathy.......................2 0.3
 Unknown etiology............................19 3.
 Total....................................625 cases.100.0%
EFNS.(European Federation of Neurol. Societ.)  Search performed in Medline, Embase, LILACS from data-base
inception through May 31, 2009.........^ EFNS guidelines for diagnosis, therapy and prevention of Wernicke encephalopathy. R. Galvin, G. Bra ˚then, A. Ivashynka, M. Hillbom, R. Tanasescu and M. A. Leone. EFNS Guidelines/CME articles.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/45273962_EFNS_guidelines_for_diagnosis_therapy_and_prevention_of_Wernicke_encephalopathy
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............... Luis cerni (talk) 23:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to look up "remotion"--dictionary says, ". The act of removing; removal. 2. The state of being remote.". This is an unfamiliar term for most English-speakers. This information, (co-morbid conditions), is in the article now? or you would like to add it? Or add the citation?24.0.133.234 (talk) 01:22, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2º source

message: I have read this page again and found it excellent. Thank you very much to those who helped. 
I chose Wiki by its global reach, there are doctors who consult
from a child pc in remote places, without acces to publications.
But any where and every body read the Wiki. We have relieved a lot of suffering. Cheers, Luis. Luis cerni (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you-I am very satisfied with the improvements! And yes I have seen it with my own eyes, in American hospitals. Like it or not Wikipedia and Google are used by practitioners in the field. Keeping that in mind, I think that the current content with a multitude of differential diagnoses, and co-morbidity, are a great resource. The chemistry could probably still use a little work but I'll leave that for future editors.24.0.133.234 (talk) 22:44, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  O. K.

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