Talk:Coldplay/Archive 1

message: To any other editors, make sure that this comment by a certain user doesn't slip through again.  Not only is it against Wikipedia's POV policy, but it is also not verifiable as a fact.  Looking at sales positions, you can easily argue that Yellow was more if not as popular as Clocks at that point of the band's history.  The Scientist charted moderately, but it was easily the crowd favorite during the A Rush of Blood To The Head tour.  Simply stating the popular singles from AROBTTH is sufficent enough, there's no point in making a questionable and opinionated claim. --Madchester 22:28, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Somehow I knew this would be reverted... In light of what you said I guess it makes no difference really if the "claim" is put on or off.  I suppose if you look at all charts, fan reaction, and how successful it did in other countries than the U.S. anyone can make a debate as to which song was the biggest (and no it was not me who originally made that claim).  Mine still uses facts based on its positions and length (weeks on) on several of the biggest charts in the U.S. (some not shown) and the fact that they picked up the most prestigious honor - Record Of The Year - at the 2003 Grammies. Also, don't forget that the single "Yellow", unlike "Clocks" was released as an EP before Parachutes which I think "boosted" its position in the U.K. - correct me if I'm wrong. Drdr1989 02:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "biggest single to date" is very ambiguous b/c it is both misleading and unverifiable.  You can evaluate that claim with so many different criteria: critical response, number of awards earned, airplay, hits on Google, use in movies or television, fan polls, crowd response at concerts, and good old sales position or figures.  By what criteria is that claim being made?  When the result isn't universally acknowleged, we really shouldn't make comments indicating what our personal biases perceive to be the "biggest single" or what not. --Madchester 14:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: <<By what criteria is that claim being made?>> Quantifiable, yet prestigious factors (charts, no. of movies involved, awards, Google/ Yahoo! hits) more than qualitative (fan reaction or, ummm, personal opinion). <<When the result isn't universally acknowleged, we really shouldn't make comments indicating what our personal biases perceive to be the "biggest single" or what not.>> This is correct.  Be careful, though, how you define "universally acknowleged".  When a song makes a big enough dent successwise in some parts of the "universe" that should be considered "successful" throughout the "universe" generally even if other parts if it aren't acknowledged.  Now THAT's a fact. ;) I still believe that "Clocks" did have the biggest "dent" out of all of Coldplay's hits, but my survival in this universe does not depend on putting this fact on the article, so...again...leave it off. Drdr1989 16:02, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "(Clocks), the group's biggest single to date"

message: post-Britpop or second wave Britpop is the new British music movement of the past 5 yrs or so.  The original Britpop phase ended around 97 or 98. 
The term is commonly used in the press to describe bands like Coldplay, Keane, Franz Ferdinand), etc.
*BBC:"Are we in Britpop's second wave?"
*PopMatters: Parachutes review
*Guardian UK: "My journey into sound"
I've heard of the term "Britrock", but it's a very generic term that has never been well defined like the two phases of the Britpop movement.  And it's never really entered the mainstream.
--Madchester 03:03, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "post-Britpop" vs. Brit Rock

message: How about not deleting links to other fan sites?  There shouldn't be a monopoly on Coldplay sites.  By not listing other fan sites you are not giving the whole story.
:There's already links to four separate fan sites, that have been referenced in the article.  Note that Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files; there shouldn't be links that are not relevant to the article's content  
:Both you (66.213.13.50) and another IP address (68.76.102.121) have been inserting links to Coldplay News, a site that has been online for less than a week (since November 30).  Wikipedia doesn't advocate the insertion of external link spamming to promote your personal websites or endevaours.  Thanks.--Madchester 22:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, Wikipedia's not a repository for external links, and it's not free webspace to advertise personal websites, especially one's that have only been online for less than a week. --Madchester 01:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) I understand your intention to get your site "out there", but some people are under the illusion that Wikipedia is the ultimate source for site promotion.  While a site could be posted here if it adds enough to the article, there are so many "fancruft" sites on the internet, and potentially thousand other Coldplay sites in particular.  Remember how back in the day e-mail was originally used to promote stuff?  Then it just got out of hand and became denoted as spam?  Well potentially if we just let promoters just add their sites here as they please, wikipedia is going to be an excessive source of "linkspam". So we're trying to nip it in the bud in preventing a overflow of these sites by trying to prevent an existence of them to begin with, just adding sites in the manner above.  2) Repeatedly adding your site after it has been taken off four times just makes you look like a spammer rather than someone who is trying to offer some unique sources for Coldplay fans to visit.  If you really want to add your site here, instead of just adding your link, make a case for it here, and then maybe someone else may put on. Drdr1989 19:38, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan site links 

message: I'm putting this message near the bottom because it is not extremely important. However, has anyone heard Coldplay's "Til Kingdom Come" and The Arcade Fires' "Neighborhood #4 (7 Kettles)"? These two songs seem awkwardly similar in style and maybe if someone else has noticed, we should mention it?? --Anthony5429 02:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Til Kingdom Come" and "Neighborhood #4" 

message: Being British, Coldplay 'is' grates with me.  I know on Wikipedia we are not pedantic about the different versions of English, but it would seem more natural that the British English 'Coldplay are' was used as they are all British.  Bevo74 08:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Wikipedia's policy is that since this is a British topic, the article should be in British English.  Feel free to edit away.--Esprit15d 17:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That's irrelevant, seeing as 'Coldplay' is the object there, not the subject. "Coldplay are my favourite band" would certainly be acceptable and, seeing as I'm a Brit, preferable to "Coldplay is my favourite band" for me. Well quite 20:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is/Are 

message: An anonymous IP user added a line to Tin whistle under "well-known performers" indicating that the drummer from Coldplay also plays tin whistle. While this is true and he's certainly well-known, I can't find any listing indicating that Coldplay (or anyone else, for that matter) has actually recorded him playing the instrument, so I reverted the change. However, I'm (cough) hardly an expert on the band, so if someone can correct me I'll put it back. Thanks! --Craig Stuntz 14:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact is the before becoming the band's drummer, Champion played 4 or 5 other instruments.  He didn't take up drumming before joining the band. --Madchester 19:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Er, right; that's obvious from the article. I was asking if Coldplay has recorded him playing the tin whistle. My guess is no, but I wanted to be sure. --Craig Stuntz 19:26, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tin whistle 

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--Madchester 22:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make Trade Fair user template 

message: I think the two "see also" sections make the page look ugly, because why not just have "influences listed in order" and "similar artists" to become titles instead? Well, I will change it to show everyone what I mean, because I really think it will be a lot better, and show a good example for non-member users. Darkroom Danny 09:27, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "See also" 

message: I have to start by saying that I find Coldplay unutterably dull (hence don't have much of a stake in this article), but have to respond to another editor's comment that Coldplay were "In no way influenced by Kraftwerk, but merely sampled them". Its clear to me that 'Speak' hasn't sampled 'Computer Love', its pinched the synthesiser hook and played it on a guitar (I always wondered why against my better instincts I actually liked 'Speak', it wasn't til it was pointed out to me that it uses the riff from Computer Love, which I've always liked, that i realised why). Also i'm sure I saw Chris martin on telly on the Jonathon Ross show or suchlike acknowledging that he 'borrowed' the riff from Computer Love, and that he had Kraftwerk's permission to do so. So to me that counts as 'influenced by' (you can't get much more 'influenced' than pinching someone elses tune note for note...) quercus robur 23:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kraftwerk