Talk:University of California, Riverside/Archive 1

message: I think some photos of the Riverside Belltower should be added... which, I'm more than happy to take a few shots of. - Allyunion 08:00, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of Riverside 

message: Hi I have written an article about Riverside's datamining project assigned by to it by the Department of Homeland Security, on Wikinerds Portal. If you think the information is useful, you can add an external link to the UCR article. If you object, post your comments now. Thanks. NSK 06:08, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link? 

message: On February 14, 1907, the University of California Board of Regents established an experiment/research station on 23 acres of land on the east slope of Mt. Rubidoux in Riverside, California.  The purpose of this research station was to conduct various agricultural experiments such as fertilization, irrigation, and improvement of crops.  The laboratory was later moved in 1917 to the west slope of Box Springs Mountains.
The laboratory was referred as the Rubidoux Laboratory and slowly grew in size.  When the laboratory celebrated its fifieth anniversary, the laboratory was not a small laboratory, but had grown with several new buildings and usage of its acres for experimental plantings.  The laboratory's original two staff personnel had increased to 265 personnel by 1957.  In 1961, to reflect the growth of the laboratory, the name was changed to the Citrus Research Center and Agricultural Experiment Station.  At the time, the director was Alfred M. Boyce for which Boyce Hall, home to the Entomology and Biochemistry Departments, is named after.
University President Robert Gordon Sproul persuaded Gordon S. Watkins, former dean of the College of Letters and Science at University of California, Los Angeles, to undertake the organization of a small college of liberal arts at Riverside, California.  In 1949, Professor Watkins accepted the job and started five years of planning, faculty recruitment, and building construction.  He became the first Chancellor of Riverside campus and presided at the opening of the College of Letters and Science with 131 students in February 1954.  (The title Chancellor was formally known as Provost until 1958.)
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Still as a draft. -- AllyUnion (talk) 16:07, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: UCR's IP range is a class B network, with the assignment of 138.23.x.x -- AllyUnion (talk) 11:59, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP information 

message: I heard that UCR is very important in the avocado world. Some of the faculty there, I believe, is in the process of breeding a better avocado (in what aspects, I am not sure). This is all just word of mouth however. I did find some interesting information from www.avocado.org though. On the site, it says:
"AVOCADO GERMPLASM COLLECTIONS UC Riverside maintains two collections of avocado germplasm, both located at the South Coast Research and Extension Center. One of these collections focuses on horticultural varieties and their utilization in the UCR avocado breeding program. The second avocado germplasm collection emphasizes related species and genera that may be of value in other types of research and in development of avocado rootstocks. The collections together total several hundred selections."
Also, I located someone who should be put under notable faculty that deals with avocados. He is George A. Zentmyer. I found some information on him at http://www.fiatlux.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=403  The site states that he is "best known at UCR for his avocado work".
Maybe this could all be added to this entry?
:No, you need to get a quotation from a scientific publication like Science or a major newspaper like the New York Times to back up that assertion.  See Wikipedia:How to write a great article for information on how to do online research.--Coolcaesar 12:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  AVOCADO! 

message: Looks like the text with the allegedly negative information is being deleted again. If you have a reason for deleting it, that is not already covered, please bring it up in talk. Otherwise those changes will be quickly reverted. Calwatch 08:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More deletions

message: There is so much negative bias in this article. I don't care how hard you worked on crap, it's still crap. This is an encyclopeid and is meant to be factual. You won't open up Encyclopedia Britannica and find an entry about how people thought Aristotle smelled funny or the nicknames made by unfriendly people. It just isn't material that belongs here. You can try to say that it's relevant, but it isn't. A small entry about the negative reputation with actual facts and not irrelevant things like nicknames or whatever would be prudent. This whole article just bashes the school.
Look at articles of other colleges, especially those that are far from stellar. 
For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Carolina_at_Greensboro
A little no-name college that probably doesn't rank with UCR. It's very objective and factual. That's how this article should be.''
1) First and foremost, your usage of the word "BS" is absolutely inappropriate.  If you are unable to refrain from using profanity (whether abbreviated or not), perhaps your level of matrity and common decency prevent you from being a useful contributor here.
2) I disagree with your opinions.  This article highlights both positive and negative aspects of UC Riverside.  To delete all negative information would imply that the school is perfect.  I would hope that you are intelligent enough to know that this is not the case.
3) Thank you for the link to a "no-name" college wiki article.  However, unless you validate this particular entry as the "benchmark" or "model" format and content for a university article, I fail to see its relevance.  In fact, I would argue that it fails to illustrate some of the shortcomings of the school.
4) I'm sorry, but I think you're way out of touch with reality here.
UCRGrad 17:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is BS 

message: Regarding the 'common knowledge' vs 'citation needed' argument, I'm afraid that the 'common knowledge' argument isn't strictly allowable. WP:NPOV isn't really relevant here; what is important is verifiability (note especially section two; "Verifiability, not truth"). Now, all that needs to be done to allow inclusion of the items is to find a source for them. It doesn't need to be a complete academic paper on 'attitudes towards UCR'; just some evidence (even if tangential) that people do feel this way. It doesn't necessarily need to be posted in the main article itself; stick it in the talk page to persuade any doubters if they ask for it. Also note the power of the phrase "Some people feel that..." in this sort of circumstance. --Scott Wilson 22:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:3O|Third opinion]] 

message: Your edits without discussion are unacceptable. We have already established a forum for such things here. Please refrain from editing the article in absence of further discussions. If you continue to make changes, we will REVERT it in a heartbeat-it will be like a Ventricular Tachycardia going to Normal Sinus with no PVCs. If you are confused by that analogy, you are welcome to look it up.
Thank You For Your Understanding,
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:Please do not make personal attacks. Also, please cite a verifiable, published source for your "UC Retardation" nickname.  Calwatch 01:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While you may claim "UC Rejects" as a legitimate nickname, which I will not dispute at this time, the fact is that "UC Retardation" is an unsourced neologism that has only one reference (aside from this article and its copies) in google. Therefore, "UC Retardation" is stricken from the article. Calwatch 05:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Mr. CALWATCH''',

message: Aside from the web references, the only reference I can find from Nexis is a reference about "UC Rejects" directed towards Cal State Northridge, NOT UC Riverside (search of "UC Rejects" + Riverside). (The insult "Cal State Nowhere" was also used. See January 20, 2002, Los Angeles Daily News, "Carr Crashes Party in Irvine.) A search in google brings up 88 references, including self references. (Actually, the name "Cal State Riverside" comes up more often, which I am going to put in the article.) I still think that UC Rejects is a neologism though. Calwatch 06:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: UC Rejects Redux

message: Enrollment figures in "History" have been clarified and cited to reflect the fact that prior wording was misleading, possibly intentionally.  Ten years of enrollment growth accounting for a doubling of the student body (7,585 to 15,399) followed by two years in which the student body lowers to 14,649 is in no way characterizeable by the term "steady decline".  That is about the most ridiculous characterization I have ever come across.
There was indeed a steady decline since 2003. If you look at the slope of the graph included in the UCOP reference, you will find that it was a straight line from 2003 to 2005.  A straight line = STEADY rate, and a negative slope = decline.  Please learn how to read graphs before criticizing obviously correct summaries. UCRGradUCRGrad
Financially, UCR has received sufficient funding to become a comprehensive university, but has lagged behind other UC schools with respect to growth in this area. Despite being the fourth University of California campus to open, it now ranks last in "financial resources," according to US News and World Report
The only part of this whole mess the citation justifies is the "ranks last in finacial resources".  Everything else is speculation unless you can cite it from a reputable source.  Speculative passage is removed in this edit, with the cited detail relocated into "Academics," as you will see why.
No speculation here. If you're the 4th UC to open, but you're now LAST in financial resources, then it is 100% implicit that UCR didn't grow as fast.  Did they not teach you this concept in high school math?' UCRGrad 14:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Enrollment Trends, Paying to Examine the Sources, and POV-pushing

message: I realize that DtEW is making a good-faith effort to make contributions to this article, but I think in his zeal and enthusasism, he has broken quite a few Wikipedia policies with respect to civility and etiquette.  
DtEW has written some very lengthy responses here in TALK, but I often find them difficult to sort through because most of them are filled with uncivil remarks and emotionally-charged language.  I have included a few examples below.  I want to focus my efforts on making this a well-written and ACCURATE article, and I do not think it’s fair that I spend half my time fending off these inappropriate comments from DtEW.  Therefore, future responses that involve such uncivil language will be ignored, and changes will be justifiable reverted.  
Examples of DtEW’s Violations:
Assume Good Faith – I realize I’m not supposed to point out when people aren’t assuming good faith, but it seems like DtEW violates WP:AGF in just about every one of his responses
Quote: “It is now patently obvious that there has been quite a bit of POV-pushng and intellectual dishonesty” - DtEW
Quote: “the entire article as an obviously deliberate work of negative propaganda” -DtEW
Quote:  “you are arguing from a position of selective reading and/or deliberate ignorance” - DtEW
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Quote: “That is about the most ridiculous characterization I have ever come across” -DtEW
Rudeness
Quote: “this is part of general intellectual rigor, which I do not think you are trying very hard at, or maybe even trying at all” - DtEW
Judgmental tone in edit summaries
Quote: “Your authority on this subject is nonexistent” - DtEW
belittling contributors because of their language skills or word choice
Quote: “To try to put referenceable facts such as [fact 1 compared to fact 2]  is just idiotic” -DtEW
Quote: “this article . . . is a complete joke as a work of journalism” - DtEW
ill-considered accusations of impropriety of one kind or another
Quote: “it is plenty obvious that the author has no qualms of such, since what he/she believes he/she knows must be right, right” - DtEW
UCRGrad 18:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Call to DtEW to PLEASE maintain CIVILITY in your responses

message: Should we write about UCR's attempt at AAU membership under Chan. White? 
http://strategicplan.ucr.edu/pdf/ucr2020.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.232.206.173 (talk) 04:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  AAU 

message: Yes, James Holmes is a "notable" alumnus. We have a List of University of California, Riverside people and his name is on that list.  Accordingly, I've pared down the section in this article to include only the very most notable alums. Holmes himself is WP:BLP1E and WP:BLPCRIME, so I see little justification for including him in the WP:FA which covers the entire U, not WP:RECENTISM.--S. Rich (talk) 17:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'm fine with his name appearing on List of University of California, Riverside people, but not in this article, especially per WP:BLP1E and the need to keep the article on topic. szyslak (t) 06:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. I disagree. You mention "very most" as your criteria for inclusion of such persons in this list. The question is what does "very most" mean. Does it mean only notable in a positive sense? If so, then I think only naming those people would degrade the encyclopedic value of this article. However, if you mean "very most notable" to mean at face value then Mr. Holmes should be included, since Mr. Holmes is probably now the most notable alumnus now from UC Riverside, more than anyone else! If one were to ask a random person on the street if they have Mr. James Holmes or Dr. Richard R. Schrock-- who would they know better??? I would like to know what others think about this.AxonPatch (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I quite agree that defining "very most" is difficult, but those people now listed (pared down from a less selective list) are quite notable -- the Nobel Prize, Poet Laurate, Pulitizers, etc. are very rare/distinctive measures of qualification.  As you say, Holmes has notability for now. So putting limits on this section is more than just name recognition. (So what if people recognize his name right now? What were the names of the guys that shot up Columbine, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood?) This is a featured article and FA criteria calls for article stability. Adding his name now, because of his temporary notability, goes against the FA guidelines.  I ask you -- why should be be included? How does his name fit WP:UNIGUIDE#Article structure guidelines?  Again, Holmes is listed in the People of UCR article.  That should work for all concerned.  --S. Rich (talk) 23:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a foregone conclusion that this individual is of lasting infamy.  I don't like the edit warring that has occurred around this edit but it's pretty clear that the perpetrator of such a widely-reported, heinous crime is notable by our standards.  He's clearly notable and I think fairness demands we include him in this article, not least so we avoid the appearance of keeping this article unduly positive. ElKevbo (talk) 01:56, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Edit warring isn't the way to go about it, though. (And it is quite a coincidence that several brand new editors have popped up to make the same edits at the same time, no?)  ElKevbo (talk) 04:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The current influx of single-purpose editors is one reason I have started an RFC below. szyslak (t) 04:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noted Alum section 

message: The article has been page protected for a week due to continued edit warring. Please take advantage of the current discussion and attempt to come to an informed consensus. Thank you Calmer Waters 03:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protected 

message: NACUBO is a very useful source because it standardizes endowment data, but I believe it should only be the "official" source for private colleges and universities and should be used with caution for public universities. In the case of the University of California system, NACUBO seems to report only the endowments managed by the UC schools' Foundations, and does not include the endowments managed on behalf of the UC schools by the UC Regents (see p.4 of http://www.ucop.edu/treasurer/_files/report/UC_Annual_Endowment_Report_FY2011-2012.pdf for details). Therefore, I believe the UC endowment data reported by the UC Treasurer's Office is relevant and should be shown in Wikipedia articles for UC schools instead of NACUBO's.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributor321 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: According to the following sources the University was founded in 1954. The official UC brief history by the system office identifies that in 1907 the Citrus Experiment Station (forerunner of Riverside) was established.
http://www.ucop.edu/academic-personnel-programs/programs-and-initiatives/faculty-resources-advancement/faculty-handbook-sections/brief-history.html
http://broadbandcouncil.ca.gov/uploadedFiles/Content/Meeting_and_Event_Information/Center_for_Broadband_Policy_Broadband_Council.pdf
http://ucop.edu/ucpath-center/work-for-us/riverside.html
http://regents.universityofcalifornia.edu/regmeet/sept16/b2.pdf
http://regents.universityofcalifornia.edu/regmeet/nov09/gb4attach2.pdf
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucr-1316
The official timeline mentions the Research Station as a part of the history. That is recognizable, but it was a different type of institution. It also clarifies that 1954 was the year that the campus opened.
http://www.ucr.edu/about/timeline.html. 
For these reasons I believe that the date of founding should be identified as 1954, particularly because the UC Board of Regents and Office of the President identifies that date as the official date. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 18:35, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding Date of the University 

message: Reviewing this one as part of the ongoing FA sweeps.  There are a several spots where this one has does not meet the featured article criteria.  Mainly, the fact that the notable people list is largely uncited, and that sections such as Research, Student life, and Housing are based off of dated sources, statistics, and data. Hog Farm  Talk 16:04, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA concerns 

message: Here are the following issues with this FA:
*Sandwiching of images
*Dated material
*Heavy dependency on primary sources
*Unsourced material, mostly in the alumni section
*Alt text is also needed
Hopefull, these can be addressed. ~ HAL333 20:18, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues with this FA