Talk:Shōnen-ai

message: Did some general cleanup and made things look a little neater. Hopefully the government of Liechtenstein will be pleased. Wilybadger 02:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: While trying to track down why some maintenance tags where added to some articles, I noticed that someone has put a  tag on this article. I removed the tag, but I also noticed that the article doesn't use any references and one section Some anime and manga with stories that include some shounen-ai can be viewed as original research since a few of the titles are arguable.
Well, the word is "can be". Meaning not all of them are totally arguable. Also, it does depend on when one draws the line at. Clear subtext, In-your-face canon or subtle but obvious? Don't forget, there's a reason why the category is called containing "Some shonen-ai". Sakura rin24 14:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References and original research 

message: Although I don't really know much about most of the anime/manga listed, I've noticed that some of them don't really seem to be shōnen-ai, which is sexually implicit, but instead Yaoi or Shotacon, with more sexually explicit themes. Should these be removed and/or placed in the appropriate listings? Just wondering - Bored461 05:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the yaoi and shota have to be removed from the list. I mean, you can't just put shota and yaoi in a list of shounen-ai titles; They're very and distinctly different genres. I'll take them off. Abby724 19:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Another note on this: the article is listed in the :Category:Yaoi. I'll remove this cat now and will propose a :Category:Shōnen-ai on the WP:Anime talk page. Ninja neko 08:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shōnen-ai/Yaoi/Shota 

message: What is the point of having that section? There is a section listing all shōnen-ai manga, so readers can find them. But why do we need a list of every manga that contains a gay character? And as mentioned above, there is A LOT of OR in there. I don't think this section has any added value.
Also, don't just remove tags, they're there for a reason. Ninja neko 07:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, yes. I don't think it adds anything to the article. Readers wanting to know about shōnen-ai can find good examples in the first section. The 'partially' section's titles will always remain a matter of debate I think, because where would you draw the line? A gay main character, a gay minor character, a gay relationship between minor characters? I think the criteria for 'partially' would be based on personal opinions. Ninja neko 15:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd still like to delete this section, and rename the other section to 'Notable shōnen-ai anime and manga' - or replace it (and the video game section) with :Category:Shōnen-ai. Can I go ahead? Ninja neko 10:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and removed the sections and replaced it with a link to the category. Anime, manga and games which have noteable shōnen-ai themes should be collected into the category. This will also avoid having every single title with a gay character listed in this article. Title of the new section is Shōnen-ai#Shōnen-ai media, but if anyone can think of a better way to word it (not too long please), feel free to change. Ninja neko 06:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Because some people keep reverting removals of the sections. The inclusion of the lists in other articles is not a sign of support for shojo-ai and not shonen-ai.--SeizureDog 20:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: JEEZ, JUST BRING BACK THE "SHONEN-AI AS AN ADDITIONAL ELEMENT" ..........PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Jonica c  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.76.189 (talk) 15:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's use our inside voices, Jonica c. (^_^;) Matt Thorn (talk) 12:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Partly containing shōnen-ai" section 

message: Am I the only one who feels uncomfortable with the consistent placement of the word "anime" ahead of the word "manga" in this article? I know that a lot of non-Japanese may first encounter shounen ai via anime, but virtually every shounen ai anime ever made was based a manga that preceded it. Original anime with male homosexual themes that is not based on a manga is invariably of the yaoi/boys' love type. (In other words, "post shounen ai".) I know that a lot of Western fans seem to think of manga as "anime that doesn't move", and therefore secondary to anime, but in Japan, it is manga that dominates, particularly in the field of shounen ai/yaoi/boys' love. This was even more true back in the 1970s and 1980s, when original anime in this genre would simply have not been cost-effective. Sometimes the original work is a novel, rather than a manga, but rarely is the anime the original product. Am I making sense here? Matt Thorn (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nitpicking about"anime"

message: As part of the merge to yaoi, I've changed the class on the talk banners to be Not Applicable, as shonen-ai is no longer its own article but a redirect.  Previously, the article was rated as Start class by all three projects. -Malkinann (talk) 12:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merged and reassessed