Talk:Sailor Moon (character)/Archive 1

message: Based on the TokyoPop manga, this should be moved to "Bunny Tsukino", the character's name in the TokyoPop manga. WhisperToMe 13:15, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it back. See Talk:Sailor Moon. Naoko Takeuchi, the creator and originator of Sailor Moon, overrides TokyoPop. --Wikiwikifast 04:21, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: Negative.  All names of Japanese people in the English Wikipedia are westernized, meaning given name first. --  Denelson83  01:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The old name argument 

message: Well, at least the "Which name?" debacle is over and done with. (See Talk:Sailor Moon for details on that.) Reading through I notice that the article isn't really very encyclopedic. I realize that the information I've put under the heading of "Statistics" is commonly found in character profiles and fan pages -- but this isn't a character shrine, it's an encyclopedia article. Surely there's some way to present it more objectively? The "least favorite food" bit should stay, somehow, even if we have to paragraphize it. --Aponar Kestrel 04:52, 2004 Jul 31 (UTC)
* As far as I know the character profile is an official one, though I don't know where it's from. Maybe find out the source and list it as being from there? Purplefeltangel 07:06, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonencyclopedicity 

message: Not many english folks are used and/or likely to type in "Usagi Tsukino", so I was thinking if we could move the page Usagi Tsukino to either Serena Tsukino, or maybe Sailor Moon (character), huh?--Roadrunner3000 19:38, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so.  The original civilian name is the most appropriate choice, and since Japanese names are westernized in the English Wikipedia, "Usagi Tsukino" is the correct title for this article.  Denelson83  19:58, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh yeah, then how com the Ash Ketchum article has the english name for its title, huh? and look at Veemon, called "V-mon" in Japenese, would you have made up your mind then?!--Roadrunner3000 03:59, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the original civilian name is the most appropriate choice for this article, because it is the name I believe most English-speaking people actually know this character by.  Denelson83  06:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: And I have moved it back.  I only associate the surname of "Tsukino" with #1's Japanese given name, not her English one.  Denelson83  22:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move?

message: *According to her, yes. Danny Lilithborne 20:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  Denelson83  17:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: At the end of season 1, she did lose her memory. This was restored in season 2 by Luna. Kyaa the Catlord 18:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, she didn't "lose" her memory in that sense of that word at the end of *series* one.  She asked her crystal, as if it was her soul, to lock it away in the back of her mind, and her memory was, as I would say, "compressed and encrypted."  Denelson83  22:48, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  At the end of the series is Usagi still Sailor Moon? 

message: what happend to earth in the 30th centrey in sailor moon r it said that the erth was frozon and in 30th centry neo queen serenti saved the world so what happend —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.169.2.130 (talk • contribs) 13:35, 15 March 2006
:That information was never disclosed.  Tuxedo Mask asked Sailor Pluto the same question in the anime and she basically said that knowing too much of the future isn't a good thing and that one should pretty much live in the present and let events unfold naturally.  -SaturnYoshi 06:04, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what happen in 30th centrey 

message: This page is in violation of Wikipedia rules - especially since we want to avoid copyright infringement. One screencap per article is allowed. I suggest that some of them are deleted. strideranne 23:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Screencaps and WikiRules

message: Someone has to come to an agreement on what is the proper Sailor Moon photo to place on this page and why that should be the case. I have seen several different photos here over the past week or so. JRHorse 19:37, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to see #1 in her original senshi uniform, from the first anime series.  Denelson83  21:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't care what particular picture is used on the header, as long as they are all uniform (with other articles). I would also appreciate it if all major forms are represented somewhere on the page, especially that of the manga, which is sadly lacking. strideranne 22:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Moon Photo 

message: Can someone provide information about the deconstruction of the Sailor Senshi outfits? --User:Angie Y.
:They wave their wands and shout their phrases, and k seconds' worth of stock footage later, their uniforms have assembled around and on them? I'm not sure what you're looking for. If you want information on how to make a Senshi uniform, Wikipedia isn't the right place for that.  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 14:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember, #1 doesn't have a wand for transformation, she has a brooch.  And that 'stock footage' you see doesn't actually reflect a transformation in real-time.  It's just "fan service".  Denelson83  21:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Continuity glitch. --Masamage 00:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just the way the scene was cut together.  "Actual" henshins are performed similar to Chibiusa's in Sailor Moon S and Michiru's in The Distant Days of Uranus episode.  Also in Sailor Moon S.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 00:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I knew there was a specific example! Thank you. :) (PGSM is also full of instant transformations.) --Masamage 00:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't forget #2's running transformation in the PGSM episode where #1 is possessed by a youma. --  Denelson83  00:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sailor V does it, too. Then, getting back to the anime, there's Haruka's very quick intentional detransformation in the S series. --Masamage 00:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, rose petals and "such".  ;P  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 00:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...Such? --Masamage 01:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rosey cheeks...  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheeks! I see. ^_^;; --Masamage 01:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sailor Senshi outfit construction

message: Hey this may have been done to death in the past (but frankly I'm not gonna read thru the huge archive to see if it has when I wanna rant about this *now*, sorry.) but I personally really hate that all the sailor senshi are listed under their real names rather than their title (Usagi Tsukino rather than Sailor Moon). I find the titles much easier to remember than the real names and the titles are what the characters are mostly known as. And the same convention has been applied to the Tokyo Mew Mew characters! Blech. As I am much less familiar with those characters and as I find Japanese names quite hard to remember (Japanese not being my native language and all). I find it very difficult indeed to know which character is which. I don't see what's wrong with 'Sailor Moon' or 'Mew Lettuce'. Whoever made the decision to use real names as the page titles took a very poor decision in my opinion. After all the anime is called 'Sailor Moon' *not* 'Usagi Tsukino'. Personally I think the real names should be noted in the body of the article and not as the title. The vast majority of people know the characters by their titles not by their real names. It is like having the Superman article under 'Clark Kent' or the Batman article under 'Bruce Wayne' It's confusing and it isn't what the characters are commonly called.-Skybluepink —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.57.14 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 25 May 2006
:Actually, no, it's not. There is an article Clark Kent, as well as an article Superman. Likewise there is an article Usagi Tsukino, as well as an article Sailor Moon. In each case the first article is (mostly) about the character, the second is (mostly) about the series.
:That said, this isn't much of a rule: Bruce Wayne, Billy Batson, and Peter Parker are all redirects to the appropriate pages (or in Parker's case, a disambiguation page). And I can't really count The Flash or Green Lantern, since both of those titles appear to have been held by three different people.
:It's hard to tell what percentage of "Sailor Moon" hits on Google are really referring to the character and how many are referring to the series. I don't think I'd support a move to Sailor Moon (character), but I wouldn't particularly object either. (I could have sworn this has come up before... but then, hasn't everything?)  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 01:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character article names: Real names or code names?

message: This is likely to come up again in the future, as some people seem to think that it's an official name. Serena Campbell is the English name chosen for Usagi in this fan-made audioplay, which seems never to have gotten off the ground. (Amusingly, this is the next-to-last Google hit for "Serena Campbell".)  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 22:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Serena Campbell" 

message: Just so you all know, I've made a new article at Princesses (Sailor Moon). The merge notices are gone now, because that group of stubs has been cleared up. Now that it's done, please feel free to edit and cite to your heart's content! ^_^ 
My main question is this. Should the 'Princess Serenity' page continue to redirect to Usagi Tsukino, or should it redirect to the Princesses article? I'm interested in your thoughts. -Masamage 21:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princesses Article 

message: There have been a lot of edits lately changing the things the monsters yell out to "Beautyful!" or "Love-lovely!" or similar. Since a lot of people think that's better, and a lot of people apparently don't like it, we ought to decide. Let me begin the soundoff by announcing that I have no opinion. :) --Masamage 00:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I'm not so sure about "Beautyful!", in the anime all the Daimohn defeated with Rainbow Moon Heartache say "Love-lovely!"  --SaturnYoshi 06:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Prove it. --  Denelson83  09:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Watch the anime.  Starting with when Mimete came onto the scene.  --SaturnYoshi 05:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Porky Pig's catchphrase is listed as "That's all folks", not "D-d-d-d-d-that's all folks".  So the monsters should be listed as saying "Lovely".  It's not that hard to get. Danny Lilithborne 05:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Whether or not that's true is really only known to the Toei people; Naoko probably didn't even have anything to do with it. I'm afraid I'll have to vote "confusing" on this one. --Masamage 16:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and one more thing.  The link to the Porky Pig article that Danny Lilithborne tried to use in his argument clearly lists "Th-th-th-that's all folks!" as the character's catchphrase.  So that reasoning just became moot.  -SaturnYoshi 06:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: D'oh.  Well, I stand by what I said about it being controversial. Danny Lilithborne 06:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

text: "The new dying catchphrase".  As I've said from the beginning...  -SaturnYoshi 06:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still unsubstantiated.  The only way we'll really settle this dispute is an acquisition of an audio recording. --  Denelson83  07:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, I must be able to see into the future or something. Right after I posted that SMU bit, I went to my DVDs and started recording. Here you go. (some people often have trouble playing my mp3s; try playing in Winamp) -- RattleMan 07:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like "love-lovely" to me.  --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 07:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then.  I believe that my point has been proven.  -SaturnYoshi 23:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monsters stuttering 

message: A paragraph mentioning all Usagi's deaths was recently added. I don't think that's a good idea, but I'll mention it here. Anyone object to its being removed? --Masamage 05:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ack, they added it to a lot of them. --Masamage 05:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd endorse their removal.  This is shojo anime, people die all the time (and then get revived in sparkly majesty, unlike shonen where they get wished back with the Dragonballs). Danny Lilithborne 05:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okie doke, I'll remove that paragraph from here. --  Denelson83  06:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaths 

message: I think it would be nice to have a manga image that lacks the promotional stuff on the front since it's not about the manga Tokyopop version of Usagi/Bunny/Serena (or whatever). Would it be possible to get a good image without the Tokyopop stuff on the front? Or maybe even the same image... --Hitsuji Kinno 04:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, a copy of that should be pretty easy to find in the appropriate artbook at Manga style. (I can grab it sometime tomorrow if no one has time tonight.) --Masamage 04:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://mangastyle.net/book5/v5-37.jpg It's that one. ˆf you want an image that may be faster to render: http://mangastyle.net/book3/3-29.jpg --Hitsuji Kinno 09:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think the second one there looks fantastic; thanks for finding it. ^^ I've been bold and just made the switch, because this doesn't seem terribly controversial. If anyone disagrees, go ahead and revert and we'll talk about it. --Masamage 01:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Usagi Manga Image 

message: I think if we add a few more citations to the profile section/intro section (like the named after her own family comment) then we can take that tag off. Objections? --Hitsuji Kinno 09:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations tag 

message: ...is not the PGSM "version" of Princess Serenity. She's what happens when the modern-day Sailor Moon and the ancient Serenity try to occupy the same body. Serenity is still distinct.
I think that section (merged over from the PGSM article, isn't it?) has wayyy too much information for this article. We should include just a little and provide a link over there. --Masamage 08:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princess Sailor Moon 

message: Since when is she called that? Most of the Time She's Called the Soldier of Love and Justice. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's cited. :P Manga act 23. Maybe all Senshi titles should be included, though. Any thoughts, Hitsuji? --Masamage 08:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working on it... I experienced burnout just before I got to the Outers. But I'm almost done... give me a chance to sort it a bit. --Hitsuji Kinno 04:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can relate. XD Don't sweat it, it really looks terrific. --Masamage 05:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soldier title: Soldier of Mystery?