Talk:Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

message: This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of a page entitled Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
The result of the debate was keep the page.
*Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch - silly Monty Python-related article; linked to only by Monty Python and Worms (game); I think it unlikely to ever be linked to from any other article.  --Smack 05:17, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Article for Delete results

message: I can't believe we have an article on this. Oh, how I just love Wikipedia!
Just remember: "Stoppest thou not at two, and as thou shall hence count upward to three, proceedeth thou not onward to four." --DanielCD 22:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: lol I was about to say the same thing. I was reading about Kitana's Animality move (Mortal Kombat fatality where she turns into a rabbit and mauls her opponent) and my immediate reaction was to look up The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! I am most pleased to see that there is an entry on it. :) CyberRaptor 07:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Love it

message: Reverted changes. Trojan Rabbit is a trivia aside that is unrelated to the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. The Chinese character is unrelated - if they look the same it is coincidental neither was an influence. --Stbalbach 13:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Couple reverts

message: This part of the article seems out of place and not terribly informative about the hand grenade and is rather about the film (and not worth including in any wikipedia article except one listing all of Monty Python's jokes, IMHO).
"Arthur then holds up the Holy Hand Grenade Of Antioch and cries out "ONE! TWO! FIVE!", To which Sir Galahad says "Three Sir!" Arthur then yells "THREE!" and hurls it at the killer rabbit. The Grenade soars through the air, accompanied by a short bit of choral music, then bounces once and explodes. Presumably the killer rabbit is dead after this, for the Knights subsequently enter the cave which it has been guarding."
Tristan Wibberley, 16 October 2006—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.222.152 (talk • contribs) 
:I'm not sure what part you are commenting on. Is the I personally love the Book of Armaments quote but agree it could go. The counting and the throwing quote probably has more popular culture relevance. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 10:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made this read better by properly introducing the frame of reference of the writing style from in-world, to real-world http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Holy_Hand_Grenade_of_Antioch&diff=88899240&oldid=88542582 TristanDC 23:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was overly verbose and not really needed, it makes sense how it is and is much cleaner. -- Stbalbach 14:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It makes sense, but it is not what the section describes - that being a fictional biblical passage on how to use the device, and thus absolutely requires introduction as being a description of a depiction of the device's use according to those instructions. My wording was no more verbose than necessary to achieve its purpose (except maybe "glorious" :) The part following the usage instructions is about somebody using the HHGOA, not about the HHGOA. That paragraph is relevant only in so far as it demonstrates "[HHGOA's] resilience to misuse and its effectiveness", and the reader needs to know what they're expected to take  from it. Also since the article is about the Holy Hand Grenade and not about the Monty Python film of its inception, the screenplay context must be given. I think these things are necessary and I think I did it quite well so unless you can suggest an alternative means to frame that bit of Holy Grail screenplay - could you unrevert please? TristanDC 23:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is really nothing wrong with it the way it is. What you wrote was verbose and redundant while trying to be clever with a bit of hamming it up. There is no need for an introduction, your making it complicated. Keep is simple, short and clear. The section is simply recounting a scene from the movie.  -- Stbalbach 03:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is not what the section is doing, if the section were doing that it wouldn't have the title that it has. As it is the section reads like somebody was transcribing the usage instructions and forgot to stop. That is the problem I was trying to address, and the problem remains. TristanDC 18:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote is in ginormous quotes. Are you using the monobook style or another that may not be showing them (they are a cquote). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 23:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The direct extended quote is a cquote, the following part is a paraphrase of the script with scene action descriptions which includes some direct quotes, but they are so short, and require additional explanation, that they don't qualify for a blockquote/cquote style and are done in-line. It does seem to "keep going", I would not be adverse to removing that last paragraph as it has nothing to do with the HHGoA - but I suspect as soon as it's removed someone clever enough who has seen the movie before will want to re-add it with a wink and nod.  -- Stbalbach 17:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessive script quote is out of place 

message: I think it looks a bit like the Sacred Heart. Could they be related? - Stormwatch 16:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be that the Sacred Heart was inspired by the globus cruciger, a symbol of power in Medieval times and therefore pushing the analogy of Christ as a king. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 19:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sacred Heart? 

message: Can anyone confirm what order Brother Maynard was? Franciscan? Dominican? Cistercian? I've seen him referred to as all three on Wikipedia, at different times and places. Short of an explicit reference in the movie, a good guess by the color of the robe he wears (I don't own a copy of the movie and don't remember its color). -- Stbalbach 16:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a brown or black pallium(?) over a white gown. —Tamfang (talk) 06:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of Brother Maynard?

message: From the article:
:The center sphere of the Holy Hand Grenade appears to be made out of a coconut (another recurring gag in the film).
Are we quite sure about this? I don't seem to recall the grenade being coconut-ish, (other than being round). If this was an actual sight gag, why was it not more obvious? I think this may just  be someone's personal interpretation. 70.20.232.141 13:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's too small to be a coconut.98.165.6.225 (talk) 13:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

text: It's definitely a coconut.  First, it's another running gag, second, it has the rough husk of a coconut, and third, coconuts can be small. ~ Wikipedian192 (talk) 19:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  coconut 

message: The section about the spear that the grenade is a parody of seems too certain that the spear is a myth. Yet, the actual article about the spear seems to hold open the possibility, which seems to me like the better position to take. I mean, in fairness it's impossible to know so certainly that this spear is a myth. Shouldn't that section be ammended, then? Drumski89 (talk) 08:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The section about the Holy Spear. 

message: Used to teach the bible, Movie weapons worth having, Noteworthy, Set piece, Mac icon, Comedy classic, Production info, Paradies bible, Military nickname, Buffy pop cult ref - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible references 

message: Is this still sold on the PythOnline website, as is stated?  It can be found elsewhere, but I have not been able to locate it on the official website, nor is there a link given where it is mentioned on this page.
Cultclassical (talk) 18:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plush Toy 

message: I feel it important to note that in some of the more recent worms games (worms 4 mayhem for example), the holy hand grenade weapon has not had a fuse, instead exploding when it comes to rest.(in W4M, with a chorus of 'alleluia'). (I think there is a time-out though, but its more than 3 seconds)86.153.238.7 (talk) 14:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In all the Worms games that I have seen, the weapon does have a 3 second fuse, but, in deference to the film allowing the knights to count to three in their own time (presumably the Hallelujah chorus is taken from the film too), the fuse does not start until the grenade comes to rest. Sadly for the computer teams they simply treat it as a 3 second grenade, with hilarious results. --80.175.250.220 (talk) 15:30, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worms reference 

message: It appears to me that both of the supposed cultural references from Fox seem to be references to Globus Crucigers in general, not specifically this. I've removed the following two from the article.
*In an episode of the Fox animated show, American Dad!, Jesus is shown wearing on his chest two objects closely resembling the Holy Hand Grenade.
*In the episode of the Simpsons titled "Bart Gets a 'Z'", King Arthur is shown holding an item that resembles the Holy Hand Grenade.
12.96.87.102 (talk) 13:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural References