Talk:Perfect Blue

message: Anime films are films like live action films, and I feel that the quality of anime film articles has a tendancy to be lacking, thus I hope to have some people who are film buffs unexposed to anime subculture take a look at the quality of these articles.
--Neilworms 15:56, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck... Brutannica 01:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  Frankly I think it is a total croc that the animated medium, after the last two decades especially, is still viewed as a "children's medium".  That is a crok.  All growd up and ...whatever.  And I thought that line of thinking was only prevalent among people who despised foreign films.  I guess I was wrong.  'all growd up.' huh? The pretenciousness is every where.  Never mind that even cartoons in the US have jokes that only adults would get.  Maybe so parents can watch with their kids?  But even animation from Japan has its films that are aimed strickly not at a children's audience.  It will just have to be up to fans of the animated medium themselves to write the better quality articles.  There's a lot of them, and many are quite talented.  No reason they cannot write the articles themselves.  Forget hollywood and their prefabricated blockbusters.  "This summer's blockbuster".  What?!?  It hasn't even come out yet!  It cannot be a blockbuster by definition until it sells, sells, sells tickets gallor. duh.  Advertising to sell the movie, regardless of quality.  No wonder people turn to alternatives like anime and foreign films for a 'quality movie experience' or something that seems new and interesting. VeriGGlater 11:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: O.K., even I'm not that bitter. Brutannica 03:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Bitter? What do you mean? Please elaborate. Maybe it's bitterness at the corporate war criminals that run the US and the world with image? Image also tricks us into believing it is merely a Bush/Cheney anomoly. And the bitterness comes out here? Sell, sell, sell. Isn't just about making a quick buck. Death in Iraq is a 'logical' result of the make a quick buck mindset also shown in "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". Scantily clad Hollywood idols are the other side of phoney macho militarism. Nudes for war. Look there and pay no attention to the man behind the screen. It's not just cheap entertainment. Nothing against nudity. I'm sure you know, Janet Jackson's mammory gland was not the perversion. Twisted bodies and severed limbs are. War, global empire, and corporate rule are. Turn off the television. The 'white picket fences' life "style" is an eternal false image. It never existed, except for a relative few. Maybe us with internet access. We live in the time of the 4th reich. Witness concentration camps in Guantanimo, which the same US gov'ts supported in fascist regime after fascist regime in the so-called "third world".  Perhaps it is fitting that this is under the talk for Perfect Blue. It's been almost a decade since I watched it only once. But doesn't it have to do with the image as well?  Have a nice day. VeriGGlater 12:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... not sure how to respond to this one. I think you've already proved my point. But we're getting off-topic here: this is supposed to be a discussion regarding the article itself. Brutannica 19:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like they say, "if you aren't angry, you aren't paying attention" 67.53.78.15 02:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article quality lacking

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message: huh... who are John and Peter? "Mima's world becomes increasingly reminiscent of the works of John and Peter". First we have no link to another Wiki article which could explain it to me, but the article also doesn't talk at all about this... So why is it here in the first place? Who are they and what's their link with this film? Thank you to edit the article appropriately! :) --BahaFura (talk) 20:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  John and Peter 

message: I think I discovered the source of the frequently repeated but miscited meme about Darren Aronofsky paying to use a Perfect Blue scene in Requiem for a Dream. In Satoshi Kon's blog, he notes that the budget of Aronofsky's Pi was at an independent-film level of about 6 million yen. Someone seems to have badly misinterpreted Kon's words to mean that Aronofsky paid US$59,000 (roughly Pi's budget) to use a Perfect Blue scene in Requiem for a Dream. I'm removing that miscited statement from the article. 1-54-24 (talk) 20:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Kon quotes Aronofsky as saying, in the same blog post, that the bath scene from Requiem for a dream was "homage" and says in his own view it went beyond "homage" and was copied\plagiarised (pakuri) from Perfect Blue, and that representatives attempted to reach a financial negotion of the rights to Perfect Blue but negotiations stalled over the issue of whether the rights be limited to only Aronofsky as director. --Timtak (talk) 22:56, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requiem for a Dream 

message: This section is a misguided attempt to link Kon to Aronofsky. Nothing in this section makes it clear that the movie influenced anybody.--Slowlikemolasses (talk) 04:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence 

message: Fred Patten has a review on Perfect Blue in  Jerry Beck's book The Animated Movie Guide.  It shows some release dates as well as flesh out more voice roles on the dub side. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:22, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jerry Beck article 

message: I agree with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AngusWOOF that length isn't necessarily a problem here, but I do think that it goes into excessive detail over individual plot points which doesn't really serve to describe the movie as much as it just retells it.
It could use some pruning. Bderiso (talk) 02:58, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary contains excessive detail 

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message: Here’s the clearer and more direct source: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781403983084_2 Barely made one (talk) 00:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  I didn’t cite the clearest source for my removal. 

message: The current Wikipedia plot summary for Perfect Blue makes no sense at all.
I have reached out on the talk page, though that was done incorrectly, but no one has responded. There is even a line in the plot that says Mima killed Me-Mania with a hammer in self defense, which is complete nonsense. There is no quality in the plot anymore, almost if it was done by one person but a few editors and I will be working on making Perfect Blue’s Wikipedia page great again. 
The plot is currently under construction, filling in all the good juicy details, plot points, and everything else that made Perfect Blue such a beautiful brutal anime film we’ve come to know, love, and regret watching but will watch it anyway because it’s just that good. I am not, by any means, trying to dictate this page, but merely try to make it make sense, specifically the Plot. This is not a one man job, anyone who can help edit, reword, or fill in blanks, is more than welcome to contribute. 
Remember, no one owns any articles on Wikipedia, including Perfect Blue, which is considered illegal and a breach of its policy. Thank you so much.
Ok, I admit, I did make a mistake and didn’t read the rule book thoroughly, so I do apologize for my edits, they were made without a clear understanding on the regulations. I did try to rechange it again before my apology but I’m sure someone will return it to its normal state. I appreciate y’all for understanding.  
AngusWOOF it‘s all good, I’m no longer on the article. I won’t touch the plot summary again. It looks good the way it is and didn’t mean to bump heads without anyone. I’ll be removing this section later on in the weekend. Have a blessed Easter bro. 
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudykaita (talk • contribs) 04:37, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , please remember to keep the summary within 700 words per WP:FILMPLOT AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:28, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

text: , if your ideas of expansion is this  , that violates WP:FILMPLOT with a count of 1089 words. Please do not bloat the plot like that.  Also, see WP:STEWARDSHIP; you'll notice that multiple editors have an interest in keeping the summary concise. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:47, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

text: I agree with AngusWOOF here. I've had the article on my watchlist for a while now and I keep seeing way too many edits that make the plot chock full of excessive details and asides. Plot summaries on Wikipedia are meant to only discuss the main plotline in a concise matter. Opencooper (talk) 17:26, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Plot undergoing massive rewording and expansion  

message: Please do not change the genre without either discussion or new sources. Thanks. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:20, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre

message: A short addition was recently made to the "Plot" section which references Mima "breaking the third wall."  I can only assume this was meant to read "breaking the fourth wall," but I wanted to ask in case there is some different meaning attached to the "third wall."
Forgonewarrior (talk) 16:23, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Breaking the third wall"