Talk:Operation Atilla

message: "Turkey justified the intervention on the grounds that it's actions were mandated under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee, which stipulates that either Greece, Turkey, or the United Kingdom had to ensure the independence of the Republic of Cyprus."  
In the end, Turkey does not even recognize the existence of the Republic of Cyprus, further negating its role as a "guarantor" of the Republic of Cyprus.  (UNFanatic 05:04, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A country recognised by the entire international community with the exception of Turkey, and a member of the UN and recently the EU (and the non-alligned movement before that), hardly has any simmilarity with USSR or Yougoslavia. I don't see anything "dead" there... Maybe you are referring to the TRNC, that is closer to your description, but still it's different, in that it has never de jure existed.
'As this move forced the eviction of Greek Cypriots to the southern sector of Cyprus, this has been seen as ethnic cleansing by the Greek Cypriot government. Today, only a few enclaved Greek Cypriots remain in the north.'
Does that mean there are no Turks in the south of the border? If so, I am not so sure about your hearsay ethnic cleansing claim.DrKimble 14:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: The article states
"37% of the island was liberated from the Greek Cyriots as compensation for the lands taken from Turkish Cypriots between 1963 - 1974"
Is there evidence (ie British land registery documents prior to 1960) to suggest that Turkish Cypriots held that amount of land?
:Actually all of the island is belong to the Turkish Nation but we don't want to spent time on such unimportant issues. Be happy with the 2/3 of the island. Turkish Army can re-conquer the remaining part of the island and again no one can stop it. With respect, Deliogul 13:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there any evidence for land claims of the Turkish Cypriots 

message: I find the following article part lacks evidence, and therefore should be removed:
Greek View: The illegal regime in the occupied area is deliberately and methodically trying to eradicate every trace of the Greek cultural and historical heritage[citation needed]. All Greek place names have been replaced by Turkish ones. Churches, monuments, cemeteries and archaeological sites have been destroyed[citation needed], desecrated[citation needed] or looted[citation needed]. Priceless religious and archaeological treasures, part of the world's cultural heritage, are being stolen[citation needed] and smuggled abroad[citation needed], and illegal excavations[citation needed] and dealings in antiquities are taking place. [citation needed].
And i also think it has been written by an angry greek who is led by his hatred for turks.
I may not have a source to cite but if a personal account counts for anything, I'd like to inform you that, having visited the occupied part of the island I have witnesses first-hand the descrated churches, with their crosses broken, desecrated graveyards, churches cinverted to stables, and the archaeological site of Salamina being exploited to milk Greek Cypriot visitors for money. They charge Greeks 5 pounds (10 USD) to see Greek monuments. And finally, living in the South, I can assure you, there's nothing of equivalent historical value on this side that can be attributed to Turkish civilisation, nothing that dates before 1500, and the sporadic recent monuments that do exist are in good shape.
And as for this piece:
Greek View: According to Turkish Cypriot newspapers, over one third of Turkish Cypriots emigrated from the occupied area between 1974-1995 because of the economic and social deprivation which prevails there. As a result the Turkish Cypriots who remain are today outnumbered by the Turkish troops together with the settlers from Turkey.[citation needed] 
Where are the citations? It lacks evidence, so it should be deleted.
You will find no sources because the TRNC is not recognised by the UN and does not do or if it does, it doesn't submit its demographic studies and population counts to anyone. Though, once again, out of personal experience and interaction with Turkish Cypriots I can verify its validity, whatever that means to you.
-----------------------
Whenever I forget to sign my talk, a bot or robot or whatever it is called immediately invades, sorry intervenes :-) Why not with these edits? --E4024 (talk) 13:57, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-contributary 

message: This article is quite disputed. Somebody is trying to mislead people by mixing Turkish Peace Operation's code name Atilla with a Nazi Operation of WWII (Attila). The spelling of the names are different. For this reason, i removed the link which is obviously irrelevent, without waiting for any answer here. For the other parts, lets first continue the discussion here.
+++++++++++
"Turkish Peace Operation" ... what a nice phrase you use to describe the invasion of another independent country.
The Turkish "peace" keeping army forced 200,000 Greek-Cypriots out of their homes, some people describe this as ethnic-cleansing.
I think its time that some Turkish people and the Turkish state should come to terms with what has actually happened in Cyprus and stop hidding behind their own thumbs.
--Sarissa 19:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Atilla or Attila

message: Isn't there a way to get rid of "X views" and "Y views" section? It doesn't look too nice.. Baristarim 12:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Views 

message: Wikipedia should not take sides. This article aims to "justify" and provide "rationale" of an invasion. Definetely not NPOV. It did not even have a Reference section before i created it. 3meandEr 16:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sourcing is still a problem. All of your sources (Half of them which currently doesn't work), are from the ministry of foreign affairs of Cyprus, which definately does not qualify for NPOV. Plus we are not supposed to draw our conclusions, but should merely present the sourced material and let the reader decide himself/herself. You have probably seen the results of trying to push you POV on the TRNC page, it doesn't work. Kerem Özcan 17:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I'll propose nuking the page and redirecting it to Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Operation Atilla was just the code name for it, and the stuff here belongs to there, rather than here. Then we can work on that one. Agreed? Kerem Özcan 17:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really dont know. "Operation Attila" was the code name for the invasion. An article can exist with that title (i suppose). If you really want to  redirect it in good faith i am willing to help, perhaps we could redirect it to Military operations during the Invasion of Cyprus (1974) and expand on the military aspect there is already this section? 3meandEr 17:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I'm taking action. Kerem Özcan 18:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: There are a few points I want to make about the article...:
a) The article does not mention by whom the operation was referred to as Atilla...
b) It does not provide any citations as to the operation being referred to as Atilla...
c) As far as I know, the operation started with the code "Let Ayşe go on a holiday", is it possible that "Ayşe", a common Turkish female name, be the codename for the operation?
d) Without citations, the article runs the risk of creating a mental link between the operation and Attila the Hun...i.e. ambiguous
I failed to see these points addressed in prior discussions...would welcome clarifications in that regard..
81.214.19.152 (talk) 21:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ayşe is the daughter of Turan Güneş. She is a professor at METU today: http://eas.metu.edu.tr/EASv2/ayata.html 68.48.179.143 (talk) 01:10, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations? 

message: Operation Atilla, this name came from Attila the Hun. The Turks are proud of Attila. Böri (talk) 10:57, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attila the Hun 

message: Maybe this opinion by British MP Michael Stephen could be useful in further developing the article.  --E4024 (talk) 13:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is a redirect, and contains no article content. Comments should be made on the talk page of Turkish invasion of Cyprus, the target of this page. SalopianJames (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why did Turkey make the "Cyprus Peace Operation"?