Talk:Azarias Ruberwa

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message: This article had major updates by a registered user who has only contributed to this page. It certainly paints a glowing portrait of a man who was involved in one of the world's deadliest wars. The author did add a ton of writing, so I would hate to just delete it all. But it is unsourced and promotional. AmplifyWiki (talk) 00:51, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
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message: What is that supposed to be? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:28, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like an :ibid reference which is a style not really recommended for Wikipedia per :WP:IBID. Generally, an ibid reference refers to the last full reference cited which in this case would be :Azarias Ruberwa#cite_note-auto1-3.  -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Seems reliably published, but not independent of the topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:29, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As a primary source it's subject to :WP:BLPSELFPUB. Since I can't access the source myself, it's hard to tell how useful it is; however, being cited 15 times does seem a bit much for a primary source. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I can "read" what gbooks allow, but I don't know french. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:53, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi both  and -- Just to clarify. I am not responsible for the "id" citation in reference 4. That was done by BukhariSaeed. In any case, the reference regards reference 3. Id means "the same" as reference 3. It is quoting Ruberwa's book. Eagle439 (talk) 23:37, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

text: Also, Gråbergs Gråa Sång-- Please clarify why you took down the paragraph listing him as one of the best speakers in the world. The book was published and can be cited instead of the article. Please retype the language used earlier. Thanks. Eagle439 (talk) 23:54, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This edit:? Per WP:LEAD it was not a summary of text in the article, per WP:BLOGS it's a crappy source, there seems to be no particular reason to mention the blog-opinion of Shosky , and his book doesn't mention Ruberwa . Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:24, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

text: Btw, Eagle439, if you intended to "ping" me in this edit  it didn't work. What was missing was the "successfully signing your post, in the same saved edit." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:44, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Thanks for the help with "pinging". As I mentioned, I am not savvy yet when it comes to Wikipedia. I still have a lot to learn. Please let me know if I was successful this time. Also, I wanted to respond to your comment about the Shosky book. I believe you cited the wrong book. The book that references Ruberwa is called "Speaking to Lead: How to make Speeches that make a Difference." It was published in 2011 right about when I started doing research on Banyamulenge's and Ruberwa. Also, for the record, I am not the one who originally included this in Ruberwa's wikipedia page. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this. Eagle439 (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that book is not on gbooks so I can't see any of the content. It seems to be published by a real publisher and is not glaringly not-RS. On the ping, no. Everything has to be right in the first "publish", see Help:Fixing failed pings. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:14, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the link. I'll read it more thoroughly in the next few days and learn how to properly ping. On another note, since the publisher for the book is a reliable source, do you mind if I put the information back up? Please let me know your thoughts. I want to be as balanced as possible. Eagle439 (talk) 20:29, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it might fit in "Post-Government career" section, but that depends on what the source says. Mind WP:PROMO. Perhaps "Speechwriter John Shosky says that...". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
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