Template talk:Globalize

message: I just came across this template's proper name, and the whole amusement of it being "globalize" - a spelling specifically for the US. Now, personally, I would prefer "globalise" to be the default name. But that's just silly, because I know others would complain. I just wondered (and this isn't an official proposal) whether people would support moving the template to Template:Worldwide, a spelling which is the same in all forms of English and doesn't promote a particular spelling. I know there's the whole "take the original spelling" naming convention, but why settle for it when there's something available that would please everyone? Greg Tyler (t • c) 17:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed! This proposal makes a lot of sense. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I came here to say this. Smurfy 23:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree to this proposal. I do believe, though, that "Worldwide view" would be a more precise template name than "Worldwide". --Jhertel (talk) 10:11, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

text: "… specifically for the US"? In the UK, "-ise" is probably the most common spelling. But the UK's most famous UK dictionaries are from Oxford University Press, which assert "-ize" to be the preferred spelling (their dictionaries list both "-ize" and "-ise" where appropriate, but place "-ize" first). Publishers who follow Oxford in their house style will therefore use "-ize". Spel-Punc-Gram (talk) 12:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to [[Template:Worldwide]] 

message: The text of this template presently reads (...)Please improve this article or discuss the issue on the talk page. This is inadvertently creating a loophole being exploited by disruptive editors who persistently remove templates from articles for spurious reasons without correcting the problem indicated by the template. More than once, I've seen this kind of removal justified by reference to the text in the template: "It says to improve the article or discuss the issue on the talk page. Here we are on the talk page, so I've met the requirement of the template and removed it."
Obviously, that's not in the spirit of what was intended. There are administrative means by which for such disruption to be dealt with, but we could make life harder for the willfully disruptive and easier for those of us who clean up the messes they make if we will change the text to read (...)Please discuss the issue on the talk page and improve this article. This puts discussion first, which won't deter problem editors from making changes not in accord with consensus, but will gently encourage non-problem editors to participate in discussion and consensus-building on the article's talk page. The proposed text also replaces or by and, which closes the loophole. What do we think? —Scheinwerfermann T·C02:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe then improve the article or so the article can be improved would be better... twilsonb (talk) 21:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

text: As of 2014, this has now been taken care of; the template says "improve the article and discuss". Please read the usage notes, and note that the burden of proof for starting a talk page discussion lies with the person who placed the tag, not with the person who removes it. The tag implies WP:systemic bias, and mere omission of international information is not in itself proof of this bias. If  information from different countries is missing and there is no reasonable assumption of differing global perspectives, perhaps a different template such as Template:Missing information is more appropriate. JustinTime55 (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Template text loophole

message: IMO this template should have a way to override autolinking. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you referring to the date format? This template doesn't autolink dates: it presents them in the format they're given, which is free text. They shouldn't commonly be linked anyway: this is just something which should be edited out in the particular cases where it happens. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I'm referring to topic autolinking. For example,  produces a red link, while  produces the gramatically incorrect "The examples and perspective in this article deal primarily with list of former European colonies and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject.", there does not seem to be any way to make it say "former European colonies" and link to list of former European colonies, say "the former British Empire" and link to the British Empire instead of a redirect which points to the Commonwealth of Nations, or make it produce something like "the examples and perspective in this article deal primarily with European colonialism during the Age of Discovery and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject.". -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:50, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Tony has apparently resolved this by disabling autolinking. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed that there's also an auto-categorization issue. There should parameters which make it possible to set the link target, displayed text and category name separately. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overriding autolinking 

message: I am trying to get the template to show as small (for use in sections of an article) by using the "small = " line of code. I cannot seem to get it to work. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 20:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small version for sections 

message: The sibling templates for individual regions have been put up for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 June 21#Template:Globalize/Australia. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 20:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Now at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 July 11#Template:Globalize/Australia for more discussion. --Closeapple (talk) 23:10, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sibling templates up for deletion 

message: Folks, could someone clear something up for me? An editor at Tussock (grass) keeps reinstating this template when I remove it. They seem to only have an issue with the article title. I explained on the talk page that article titles are a special issue, since we have to weigh things like WP:ENGVAR and strive for succinct titles, not the proposed (and briefly moved to) article title that incorporates both English varieties in the title (here meaning they wanted to include "tussock" and "bunch grass" in the title). I assumed because of this consideration and those covered at WP:AT that  is not meant to be used to refer only to article titles. Is that your understanding as well? Thanks Rkitko (talk) 01:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of template to refer to article titles? 

message: There are two categories employed by the globalize template for the United Kingdom: :Category:United Kingdom-centric and :Category:UK-centric; and two related to the United States: :Category:USA-centric and :Category:US-centric. In there something in the template that can be changed to put all into the main category of each? --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 02:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: UK-centric and US-centric categories

message: There are times when "UK" or "UK and Canada" just don't cut it, and attention should be drawn to the fact that an article is biased towards a larger political entity. Example could include a case where paragraphs are authored regarding England, Canada and Australia, but just a sentence is given for U.S.A. 
58.11.240.151 (talk) 06:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request template for entire British Commonwealth 

message: Howdy.  Would anyone object to the "-centric" category existence tests in this template (shown below) being wrapped in checks that the relevant parameters are set?  As is, a few thousand (I believe unnecessary) tests for "Category:-centric" are being made, in particular when the third and fourth parameters are not provided - TB (talk) 19:56, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and made this change.  There should be no difference in usage or results. - TB (talk) 10:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary #ifexists tests 

message: I want to make a new subpage on this template for Japan. Is this necessary? Philroc (talk) 12:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New subpage 

message: This template needs an inline version to be able to tag specific statements. Opinions? Volunteers? Debresser (talk) 17:54, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone else wants this, please voice your support (and  me); I'll create  if at least a handful of people would find it useful. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 03:14, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure it would be useful.  It is a standard part of the toolkit for other issues. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:10, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do, Seppi333. I came here looking for one. Sometimes information is probably good globally (availabilty of COVID-19 test types) but only explicitly sourceable for some regions at first. HLHJ (talk) 22:39, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Trialpears, I'd be happy with , and a "reason=" parameter giving a mouse-over text. I can forsee some problems from putting the centricity in the display text; for instance, it's not uncommon to have things refer only to the UK and the US, but "sub-set-of-the-Anglosphere-centric" seems a bit longwinded and vague. We could have "from=" parameters, "from=US"  for US-centric, "from=EU" for eurocentric, "from=US, UK" (can one comma-separate parameters?) for my example, and so on. A few synonyms to document as they get used, but they'd be machine-readable and sortable. A "from" parameter seems like an improvement that could be added to the basic template later, though. HLHJ (talk) 01:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , if the -centric solution is used it would probably use the same system as the categorization which has several aliases for each region. If the template doesn't specify an area or the area isn't recognized it would fall back to globalize. Categories for reference: : Category:Articles with limited geographic scope. --Trialpears (talk) 06:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Trialpears, that sounds good. Glad the aliases are already in existence; thank you for the link. I'd be happy with the centricity going into the mouseover text, and being used to categorize the page, but perhaps under some circumstances it might be better to have-type texts, to make centricity more easily visible. Not fashed either way; if this is purely a matter of display format, then if it turns out problematic we can modify it automatically. We could even give editors the option of either form. HLHJ (talk) 00:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I think it's desirable to have the country/region in the tag if possible since mouseover text doesn't really work on mobile and since it may be useful for readers to know. That being said I've created the template. Further changes can be discussed at the talk page. --Trialpears (talk) 09:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, ; I like the way you've done it. I hadn't thought of use by mobiles. If I have any problems, I'll post at Template talk:Globalize-inline, but so far so good. I've added it to some meta pages. HLHJ (talk) 00:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inline version 

message: I have proposed merging this template with all its sub templates. Please participate in the discussion. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:26, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: I made a new version of the template in the sandbox that use a large switch block to correctly categorize and display calls with terms such as the United States, US, European, DE and a lot more for various reasonable inputs. This is non-breaking and I have tested it without finding any issues. I'll leave this here for a week and if no one objects submit an edit request. -- Trialpears (talk) 22:00, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a looong week but now I've added an edit request.  --Trialpears (talk) 14:07, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, thanks.  — JFG talk 16:47, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better categorization and grammar for various alternative inputs 

message: Just saw this use case on Legal guardian as of 26 February 2020. I've added the parameter to Template:Globalize/sandbox. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 17:55, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections from me. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 19:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just added the TemplateData for this template. In a month's time (1 April), we'll have full usage data for everyone using   "reason", so we can see if it really needs an addition. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 04:56, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be added, having only just discovered that it isn't functional. A problem with usage data is that it could underestimate how much the parameter would be used if it were made functional since some people who intend to use the parameter might decide against it when they discover that it isn't functional (that's what I was about to do before I saw this discussion). TompaDompa (talk) 00:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Done Thanks for the reminder. You would be surprised at how many changes have been proposed but never implemented. --Trialpears (talk) 23:19, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add reason parameter 

message: :
should be replaced with 
:article
in line with the rest of the template.
No reason why that part should forcibly say "article" unless the type value is "section" but the other part not. Both should say whatever the type value says or "article" if not specified.
I've added the fix to the sandbox (but it contains other edits that aren't part of this request).
Here are the testcases (bottom of the page to see the issue). · • SUM1 • · (talk) 22:53, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 12:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in wiki markup 

message: English Wikipedia almost completely eschews USA in favour of US, apart form the cat for this template.  We used to have both, but one was made into a redirect, I suggest the wrong one, and propose to make :Category:USA-centric the redirect to :Category:US-centric. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 18:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: USA -> US

message: Every article that has the  tag shows up in :Category:Pages in non-existent country centric categories (for example, when I made  edit). It should show up in :Category:United States-centric. Is this something fixable? Coldspur (talk) 08:30, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed now. The cause was an untested change to  which tried adding them to :Category:The United States-centric instead of :Category:United States-centric. I've requested page protection to avoid this happening in the future. --Trialpears (talk) 09:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Pages in non-existent country centric categories' 

message: Please change
|the west
|western
|western culture
|west=Western culture
to
|the west
|western
|western culture
|western world
|the western world
|west=Western culture
 
because "the Western world" is used in Anti-imperialism. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:56, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: . P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 09:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 27 May 2022 

message: Template should include the Philippines (with proper support for "the"). It is used on Australia–Philippines relations. Numberguy6 (talk) 23:05, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 12:43, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 31 January 2023 

message: I put a post up on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) with the name above. It may have been moved to a different area if I got the categorization wrong. I welcome your comments, and perhaps you will change my mind about the template. -- Kjkolb (talk) 03:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Handling and interpreting the globalize template 

message: taking the current line numbering the key 'english' appears twice in the first #switch statement,
lines 16 and 52
#switch always take the first occurrence, so english => Anglophone
The second occurrence would give english => England
I am not sure which one should be removed, but one of them should be. Desb42 (talk) 06:51, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  key 'english' appears twice 

message: E.g. an article on a technology that primarily discusses its use in the US and only briefly mentions its use outside the US. Would this template be appropriate to place there? Eldomtom2 (talk) 13:13, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this template suitable for pages that lack worldwide information rather than "perspectives"? 

message: There appear to be some formatting and grammar errors, like extra spaces, like in  Pksois23 (talk) 06:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting errors