Talk:Provinces of Thailand

message: Maybe I need things spelled out for me in monosyllabic words, but it would be nice to have a link between the regions of the map image & the regions the provinces are grouped under. Unless my eyes deceive me, these should be linked as follows:
*North - Green
*Northeast - Peach
*Central - Yellow
*East - Blue-green
*South - Purple
Does any one object to these color names -- or have better choices? -- llywrch 22:12, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that the color codes are quite obvious for everyone who knows the Cardinal directions and the fact that maps are usually drawn with north to the top. But maybe you're right and this isn't so much  basic knowledge as I thought, so just be bold. andy 09:35, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it's only intuitive if you're used to matching the options & performing deductive reasoning. It took me only a moment to sort out which belonged to which; but having done phone support for computer software (as well as taking catalog orders) I know just how easy it is for two people to stare at an object & see it in two different ways. For example, some people might make the mistake of thinking the blue-green region was central, the peach east, & the green north, then wonder what happened to the north-east region -- and get angry because we didn't make it more clear. It never hurts to tell people something in two or three ways. (And my question was more about the choice of what to call the colors; I wouldn't be surprised if some people think that the peach color doesn't look very peachy.) -- llywrch 03:18, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map & Region Names 

message: Formally, Thailand has 75 provinces (or Changwats) and Krungthep Maha Nakorn (or Bangkok). Bacause Bangkok is capital territory like Canberra of Australia, Warshington,D.C. of U.S.A., ect., not count in province. Bangkok'citizen will elect to choose their governor by themself unlike others provinces that the governors come from ordering by Ministry of Interior except City of Pattaya, a part of Chonburi province, is another self-administrated area. Pattaya's Mayor come from election.
see from Ministry of Interior
:Seeing that the Thailand article states 75 provinces plus special administrative areas, should Bangkok be removed as a province in this article as well?--Paul C 18:32, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are indeed absolutely right, confer http://www.statoids.com/uth.html -- please update the article and related articles to that effect. —Nightstallion (?) 18:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Bangkok is not a province, but a special area. Yet it is at the same administrative level as the other provinces, and thus usually included like a 76th province. Pattaya is a totally different story, as that is a municipality, but with a different structure of administration than the other 3 levels in Thailand. But unlike Bangkok it is part of a province. I have reworded it a bit, better now? andy 21:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But which districts, sub-districts (or communes), and villages represent the self-adminstered area of the city of Pattaya? Johnluisocasio (talk) 14:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pattaya covers the Tambon (subdistricts) Nong Prue and Na Kluea completely, and parts of Nong Pla Lai	and Huai Yai, all within Amphoe Bang Lamung. As it is at a different administrative level than the provinces (unlike Bangkok) it IMHO does not need to be mentioned here. andy (talk) 14:11, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thailand has 75 or 76 provinces, actually?!? 

message: What is the difference between a "district" and a "minor district"? Nik42 07:10, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't found the exact answer for this yet, only that the two have very similar duties. Usually a newly created district is a "minor district" for some years, until it gets elevated to "district" status. andy 22:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the same thing as you do, Andy. jlog3000 (talk) 12:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Districts 

message: "... are grouped into 5 groups of provinces - sometimes the East and Central are grouped together"
Actually, the grouping system varies widely among fields. In geography class taught in school, a system of six regions are usually used (North, Northeast, East, Central, West, and South). The weather forcast divides into North, Northeast, East, Central, Eastern South, Western South, and Bangkok. Can any one system be referred to as a standard, or should all (or none) be mentioned?--Paul C 18:32, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The regions North, Northeast and South are quite standard, the fact that weatherforecast separates the western and the eastern coast is simply because due to the mountains in middle the weather can be different. For the central, east and west there is a bit description in Central Thailand. andy 02:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please try to look at the article guys and see how my re-organization of the regions and sub-regions of the country look. Johnluisocasio (talk) 13:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it was an improvement, in the earlier version the numbers were much easier linked to the map. Also those subregions are even more informal than the regions, which are rather standard to divide the country - you might see what I wrote in the article on Central Thailand. I also wonder why you included Phu Wiang Province, AFAIK that province isn't created yet - or do you have news I haven't heard about yet. Besides, there seem to be several more provinces about to be created, see my blog. andy (talk) 13:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Johnluisocasio. Sorry, but I don't like your re-organization and I find those numbers in brackets very confusing. Where did you get those "sub-regions" from? And: "provinces" have to do with administration, no? Not so much with weather forcast. --hdamm (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try checking at the Khon Kaen Province. Johnluisocasio (talk) 17:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there it says "there are plans to create a province named Phu Wiang", which means it might have one in the near future, but also that these plans can get shelfed or scrapped by a future government. Actually I don't know the current status of this plan, maybe it is already shelved now? But as long as this creation isn't officially done it definitely doesn't belong into the table, only in the section named "since 1932" -  which I should enlarge, I have found a lot more facts of what happened in the last 75 years in the meantime. andy (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Regions

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thread_title: Automatic addition of "class=FA"

message: I have doubt, should "South Eastern" & "South Western" be swapped here ??<P> 
South Eastern Thailand sub-region (not official yet) <BR>
Krabi (กระบี่) [#2 in purple] <BR>
Nakhon Si Thammarat (นครศรีธรรมราช) [#3 in purple] <BR>
Phatthalung (พัทลุง) [#7 in purple] <BR>
Surat Thani (สุราษฎร์ธานี) [#12 in purple] <BR>
Trang (ตรัง) [#13 in purple] <BR>
South Western Thailand<BR>
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:: Mori Riyo (talk) 04:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As said in the section "#Regions" above, I don't like these subregions within the table anyway, the four main regions are enough, especially as none of these regions are official. But of course west and east has been swapped around there. I have now reverted it to the old state before the edits of User:Johnluisocasio. andy (talk) 12:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize. I was trying to make sub-regions out of each region to say the least or try to make that as a separate article, official or predicted. jlog3000 (talk) 15:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ATTENTION : Incorrect Zoning ???? 

message: What are the requirements for the following subdivisions in population, area etc.? jlog3000 (talk) 13:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requirements for each subdivision

message: Most Thai sources agree on the six-region system, based on the 1978 resolution of the National Geographical Committee, which was appointed by the National Research Council, and I think we should do so too. The previous grouping was more similar to the administrative region grouping system used by the Ministry of Interior, which would have had the East combined into the Central region, leaving a total of four. This grouping was abandoned, however, and the Ministry of Interior currently uses a twelve-region system. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there are references related with the twelve-region system? jlog3000 (talk) 12:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the best place for this discussion would be in Talk:Regions of Thailand, which could need more on the various groupings, as it right is nearly only a list of the four regions. Especially references to official texts from the ministries would be great. As these regions are only a grouping and not administrative entities, even though the MOI creates a new grouping doesn't mean it is used in all governmental circles - especially for statistical purposes it does not make sense to change the regions because it will make comparisons difficult. The grouping of the provinces into four regions in this article follows the grouping done by the NSO in the 2000 census, see .  andy (talk) 17:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganized into six regions 

message: "The only 6 provinces whose capitals aren't the biggest cities in their provinces are Tak (Mae Sot is the biggest city), Pathum Thani (Rangsit is the biggest city), Songkhla (Hat Yai is the biggest city), Chonburi (Pattaya is the biggest city), Narathiwat (Su-ngai Kolok is the biggest city) and Prachuap Khiri Khan (Hua Hin is the biggest city)."
-A few doubts here about Chonburi, Tak and Narathiwat (and Pathum Thani):
What is the source for Sungai Kolok being bigger than Narathiwat city? According to Wikipedia, Sungai Kolok has 38,600 inhabitants, but the article about Narathiwat has no population number. (Thai Wikipedia only gives the population of the whole Amphoe Mueang: 305,000.)
Similarly, the 120,000 figure at Mae Sot refers to the amphoe, not the town itself. However, it is indeed quite large and I remember reading about something in the range of 45,000-50,000 somewhere else. And of course, with the many Burmese refugees & semi-legal workers there, we also have to consider a substantial number of unregistered inhabitants, as in Pattaya (below). I wasn't aware that Tak (town) was that small (19,900) and would have thought it to be just slightly larger than Mae Sot, but if this figure is correct, then no objections to the inclusion of this example. 
The population of Chonburi is given as 180,000, while the article about Pattaya says the following: "The city (Mueang) had 104,318 registered inhabitants in 2007. But like Bangkok Metropolis, that figure excludes the large number of people who work in Pattaya but remain registered in their hometowns, and many long-term expatriate visitors. Including non-registered residents, the population numbers around 300,000 at any given time. Other estimates put the figure as high as 500,000." I guess this qualification should also appear in this article ("Pattaya is the biggest city, if non-registered residents are included"); otherwise remove the whole Pattaya example.
[Also, I am quite sure that Rangsit has more inhabitants than tiny, sleepy Pathum Thani town (yes, I've been there once!) - but what is Rangsit? Apparently just a tambon of Amphoe Thanyaburi..... Does it really have any sort of town status, i.e. is there a thessaban tambon / thessaban mueang Rangsit? As it is now, we are left with a rather unconvincing comparison of 20,592 (tambon) vs. 18,320 (town).]
---Dekthep (talk) 06:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You can find the official population numbers (i.e. the registered inhabitants) at the website of the Department of Provincial Administration (DOPA) at http://www.dopa.go.th/xstat/popyear.html
*Narathiwat 40,521 vs. Sungai Kolok 39,564  - very close, maybe Sungai Kolok took over lately, those are the numbers for 2008, the 2009 numbers should come within the next few weeks.
*Tak 19,274 vs. Mae Sot 35,042  - clear confirmation
*Chonburi 33,067 vs. Pattaya 104,797  - clear confirmation
*Pathum Thani 18,843 vs. Rangsit 76,843 , even Khu Khot and Tha Khlong have more than Pathum Thani itself. Rangsit town covers the complete Tambon Prachathipat as stated in the Thanyaburi district article - note that Thesaban do not necessarily coincide with Tambon boundaries. andy (talk) 12:17, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

text: You forgot Pak Kret, see also List of cities in Thailand by population andy (talk) 13:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Provinces where capitals are not the biggest cities 

message: The current section of former provinces IMHO does not fit into the article, not just because it is very incomplete (only the 4 Malay states which were "lost" in 1908), nor does a second list improve the readability of the article. A separate article List of former provinces of Thailand would make more sense, especially if it is a complete list - I could give lots of names for such a list, a few are collected in the :Category:Former provinces of Thailand. This article should just mention the main changes in provincial outline, especially the abolished provinces in 1932, the temporary abolishment of provinces during WWII and at the same time the 4 provinces in the annexed Cambodian and Laotian areas. The "lost" territory is a bit tricky, as these happened when the Thesaphiban system was still in development, thus the 4 Malay states were not yet provinces in the modern sense but still the Mueang city states loosely bound with the central administration. andy (talk) 23:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former provinces 

message: ===Patent nonsense===
There was NO census in 2005 or 2009! If these numbers are from the Wikipedia articles, then it is the registrar data. The last census from which data is available was in    2000, and last year a new census was done, but AFAIK there are no data available yet. The right numbers can be found at statoids, or for  1990 and 2000 can also be collected from the website of the NSO - or in a  spreadsheet I compile myself. andy (talk) 21:59, 7 January 2011   (UTC)
:OK, no problem, just input the data or change the titles to suit!!!
:I am going to incorporate this table into the Provinces of Thailand article anyway. Petebutt (talk) 13:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Talk:List odf Provinces of Thailand (with census data) 

message: There was NO census in 2005 or 2009! If these numbers are from the Wikipedia articles, then it is the registrar data. The last census from which data is available was in    2000, and last year a new census was done, but AFAIK there are no data available yet. The right numbers can be found at statoids, or for  1990 and 2000 can also be collected from the website of the NSO - or in a  spreadsheet I compile myself. andy (talk) 21:59, 7 January 2011   (UTC)
:OK, no problem, just input the data or change the titles to suit!!!
:I am going to incorporate this table into the Provinces of Thailand article anyway. Petebutt (talk) 13:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Patent nonsense

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replies: text: Please check the source and copyright status of images before uploading them; images without proper attribution may not be kept on the English Wikipedia. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:48, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  flags 

message: The provinces are mostly listed without "Province" as part of the name, but the individual province articles include "Province" in the name. Is "Province" or "changwat/Changwat" part of the proper names, or is this a misapplied disambiguator? In other words, should individual province names indeed be "Xxx Province", or should they be something like "Xxx (province)"? Nurg (talk) 21:31, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the official Thai sources include the term Changwat (and same for the lower administrative level), but it is required in Thai as well as a disambiguation, as there are often more than one administrative unit at different level sharing the same name. To add confusion, if in Thai someone just uses the name "Chiang Mai" he usually means the province, whereas in English it usually more refers to the city - hence in most cases the plain name here is occupied by the article on the provincial capital. andy (talk) 11:42, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

text: Also, even if the term is considered a disambiguator, it is considered a "natural disambiguation" and is actually preferred to parenthetical disambiguation (see WP:NATURAL). Thus we have New York City rather than New York (city). --Paul_012 (talk) 20:05, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is "Province" part of the proper names 

message: Where is Bung Kan province? There are now 77 provinces. Also Pattaya is also an administrative district isn't it?  203.131.210.82 (talk) 06:13, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There are 76 provinces including Bueng Kan. Bangkok is not a province, but a special administrative area, which however is at same administrative level as the provinces, thus is often wrongly stated that there are 77 province . Pattaya is also a special administrative area, but not at province level, only a special local government within Chonburi province. This should however all be covered in the article already. andy (talk) 12:15, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  77 Provinces? Bung Kan 

message: Should we contine to list them? I don't think the concept of a provincial capital even officially exists. The current listing appears to just be the municipal locations of the Provincial Hall building of each province. This likely fails Wikipedia's policy on no original research. And frankly, it's extremely awkward to see Chaeramae listed as the "capital" of Ubon Ratchathani Province. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know much about the policies, but I always think that section in all related articles and templates should be removed, because there aren't such things as provincial capitals in Thailand. It's actually as simple as that. Even if we substitute this term for with "provincial seat", "seat of provincial government", etc., they still imply a federal system to me. However, other people may take the meaning of the word "capital" differently. I don't know. The Collins Dictionary, for example, defines the word "capital" as "the seat of government of a country or other political unit." I don't see Chaeramae or Mai Khet as awkward according to this definition. --Potapt (talk) 18:29, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Even there is no concept for the province "capital" in Thai, the usual definition of capital is simply "seat of administration". I have no problem with a list collecting referenced locations for the province administrations, especially as other language editions as well as Wikidata will still list these values - I don't know if compiling a list from other sources counts as original research. Especially in those cases where the province hall was moved from inside the city named same as the province to an outskirt which happens to be a different municipality/TAO it would make sense to list the date when this move was done - at least in Wikidata. What kept me from being more active in this (apart from being busy with other things) - why we have to use the local administrative unit which contains the province hall, the Tambon is usually more detailed, or actually would have to list both? That'd be very confusing in Wikidata then. Though I have not much hope of a perfect solution, at least for Wikidata I'll try to post a question in the general discussion there. andy (talk) 10:11, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Province capitals 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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thread_title:  Updated population for each province for 77 provinces updated reference 

message: The introduction to this page specifies 76 provinces plus Bankgok as a special administrative area.  However the long list given in the body of the article contains 77 provinces plus Bangkok as a special administrative area.  I have no idea what the right answer is, but someone who knows the true situation should make approproate edits.  A history of recent changes would also be useful. 
Pauldoust (talk) 09:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you re-check your count? I count Bangkok plus 76 provinces in the list table. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manifest error - 76+1 versus 77+1 provinces? 

message: I have noticed that the hyperlink for Chai Nat Province leads to the town of Chai Nat. Is someone able to correct the hyperlink to the province? AridCeption (talk) 09:23, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. The source is hidden in the templates at :Category:Country data templates of subdivisions of Thailand. This one seems to have been missed when the others were previously fixed. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chai Nat hyperlink