Talk:Pastoralism

message: Looks like someone copied this article from/to here: http://cdn.worldheritage.org/articles/Pastoralism  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.202.75.214 (talk) 04:14, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

message: I've removed Pastoralist, moved everything to here, cattle stations or sheep stations.
The text below was on the Pastoralist talk page, so thought I'd move it across as well.
Fishies Plaice 21:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nomadic and or sedentary, the pastoralists centered around raising large animals, usually cattle, sheep, goats and horses. Pastoral nomadism is a distinct livelihood and resource utilisation system wherein practitioners depend on the seasonal movements of livestock withing natural environments (often depends on water sources and pastures).
My reasons are:
*Sounds conversational, like it was intended to be on the talk page
*Past tense. Pastoralists still exist.
--Scott Davis Talk 13:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: What about a merger with animal husbandry? The article itself says they are one and the same. --121.44.31.43 (talk) 11:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Perhaps I'm showing my ignorance here, but I believed Mongols, or certain tribes to be pastoral.  Specifically, those who are nomadic, live on the steppes, and raise sheep and use the wool to create felted coverings for their yurt/ger dwellings.   Perhaps Mongols are a sub-set or super-set for one or more of the cultures listed.  If this is so, please excuse my ignorance.  Christian M. Cepel --4.245.4.173 08:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional Cultures: Mongols 

message: This article is the subject of an educational assignment at Mount Allison University supported by WikiProject Anthropology and the Wikipedia Ambassador Program during the 2012 Q1 term. Further details are available on the course page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmawilson15 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Course

message: I agree with Lrcobbe's comment: "The mobility section reads a little like a bullet point list..."
I found this sentence particularly confusing: "Pastoralist societies have had field armed men protect their livestock and their people and then to return into a disorganized pattern of foraging."  I'm not sure what was intended here, and I don't have access to the source.  Can someone clarify this, or should this be deleted?Apegrrl (talk) 21:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mobility 

message: Did the Khoikhoi really live as herders for “thousands of years”?  According to Jared Diamond they originally got their livestock (cows and sheep) through contact with Bantu speaking people.  When did their cultural ancestors com into contact with each other?  This could have been found out by Archaeologists tracing styles of and dating artefacts.
2013-08-16 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
== Confusion of terminology ==
Pastoralism is not a form of animal husbandry, it is animal husbandry. It is also a poetic/literary genre involving (bucolic Arcadian versions of) the countryside in general. Yet much of this article confuses the related terminology transhumance and herding with pastoralism. French sheep herders in Provence are not nomads. I think this article needs breaking up. See:https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pastoralismhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pastoralisthttps://www.thefreedictionary.com/pastoralismhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/primitive-culture/Herding-societies#ref581664  Leo Breman (talk) 14:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree, mostly, but pastoralism does not equal animal husbandry: no modern pig or chicken farmers today would describe themselves as pastoralists. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:47, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, you're completely right about modern pig or chicken farmers, I must concede! Still, this can do with some clean-up. Mostly by moving text to transhumance or nomads.Leo Breman (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! Not sure we should move text out; there's already Nomadic pastoralism (which Bruce Chatwin thought a hideous tautology -- by etymology it certainly is, though by modern meanings probably not quite so much). Better may be to use new section headings (and "main" links) to indicate different types of pastoralism, i.e. a "Transhumance" subsection with  and a "Nomadic" subsection ditto at least. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:49, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I can agree with this. That would clear up the meanings more. I must go over this article more carefully. I am also busy rationalising Forest gardening (hippies!) vs. Agroforestry (very familiar to me having studied tropical agronomy). Hmmm, Nomadic pastoralism I was unaware of that article, I need to look at that, give me a bit. Hmmm, tautology... don't agree, not if pastoralism refers to sheep herders just moving up a hill for the day. Leo Breman (talk) 20:04, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

text: The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved.   -- Calidum 01:03, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Pastoralism →  – I can see many incorrect incoming links to this article, which should be directed to Pastoral farming. I suggest changing Pastoralism into a redirect to the DAB Pastoralist. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading caption? 

message: Pastoralism is not a form of animal husbandry, it is animal husbandry. It is also a poetic/literary genre involving (bucolic Arcadian versions of) the countryside in general. Yet much of this article confuses the related terminology transhumance and herding with pastoralism. French sheep herders in Provence are not nomads. I think this article needs breaking up. See:https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pastoralismhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pastoralisthttps://www.thefreedictionary.com/pastoralismhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/primitive-culture/Herding-societies#ref581664  Leo Breman (talk) 14:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree, mostly, but pastoralism does not equal animal husbandry: no modern pig or chicken farmers today would describe themselves as pastoralists. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:47, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, you're completely right about modern pig or chicken farmers, I must concede! Still, this can do with some clean-up. Mostly by moving text to transhumance or nomads.Leo Breman (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! Not sure we should move text out; there's already Nomadic pastoralism (which Bruce Chatwin thought a hideous tautology -- by etymology it certainly is, though by modern meanings probably not quite so much). Better may be to use new section headings (and "main" links) to indicate different types of pastoralism, i.e. a "Transhumance" subsection with  and a "Nomadic" subsection ditto at least. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:49, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I can agree with this. That would clear up the meanings more. I must go over this article more carefully. I am also busy rationalising Forest gardening (hippies!) vs. Agroforestry (very familiar to me having studied tropical agronomy). Hmmm, Nomadic pastoralism I was unaware of that article, I need to look at that, give me a bit. Hmmm, tautology... don't agree, not if pastoralism refers to sheep herders just moving up a hill for the day. Leo Breman (talk) 20:04, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion of terminology 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved.   -- Calidum 01:03, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Pastoralism →  – I can see many incorrect incoming links to this article, which should be directed to Pastoral farming. I suggest changing Pastoralism into a redirect to the DAB Pastoralist. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 20 June 2021