Talk:Samjeondo Monument

message: How about you stop all the nationalist korean bs and actually put some facts into these articles for once.
 
Stop inserting your anti-Korean biases into Korea-related articles.  If you can't edit this article from a neutral point of view, then don't edit it at all.  --Sewing 22:05, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I fear you edit articles based on passion instead of facts. --Nanshu 23:23, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts 

message: We should mention a fact. Please stop hiding a thing inconvenient for Korea
.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pabopa (talk • contribs) 12:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, there's too much nationalist korean hogwash in wikipedia already. all korean related articles should have a serious cleanup to remove all the korean bias. its appalling.
Can someone insert a website without any Korean biases? - MB  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.1.173.145 (talk) 14:53, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please have [[Neutral point of view]] 

message: Samjeondo Monument is based on a stone turtle and has been buried and erected again several times from 1639 to nowadays. 
But the base-turtle is a magic one that allows the monument to be buried again without being erected in the meantime, and also to be erected again without being buried in the meantime.
First proof: according to wikipedia, the monument, buried in 1895,  was erected 1895, 1913, 1931 without being buried once during 1895-1944. 
Second proof: according again to wikipedia, the monument was buried in 1945 and 1956 without being erected once during 1944-1960.
Moreover, the turtle is empowered with the Rübezahl property and can change at will its # in the list of Korean Historical Sites.
* The Korean page (harshly google-translated) says : 1963 Jan. 21 was designated as Article 101 in the private. 
: Originally built in the Han River where it has had to surrender sambatnaruteoui, 1895 Sino-war tribute from the Qing Dynasty, defeated the river became the head was cut off the relationship. But ilje occupation of 1913 to the ilje atgo put up again, 1945 's liberation immediately after the inhabitants had buried in the ground. 1963 floods in the re-appearance deureonatgo, and repeated several times previously hadaga 1983 in the Chun Doo-hwan in the direction of President 289-3, Songpa-gu, seokchondong moved to: [1] since the high vapor through a 2010 April 25 Seokchon Lake to its position on the monument that stood over 30 m away from the water 47 Jamsil-dong, Songpa-Gu Seokchon Lake Western moved to the hills. [2]
* The Chinese page (harshly google-translated) says : In 1895 , the Qing Dynasty in the Sino was Japan defeated. Clear, Japan signed the " Treaty of Shimonoseki , "admitted North Korean relations with the Qing Dynasty from the feudal lord. Since then, the civilized party rulers demolished Ying'enmen , and overturned the crossing Mita monument, the monument was buried underground. In 1931 the monument was unearthed, 1956 , South Korea 's Minister of Culture and Minister of Education that the monument is a symbol of national shame, once again bury. In 1963 , due to the ravages of floods, Mita crossing the monument again in people's eyes. People think that the monument as a symbol of cultural heritage and national disgrace should be borne in mind that it is protected as a historic site up. In 1983 , Chinese cities built around the monument in the park.
* The Japanese page (harshly google-translated) says: Thereafter, Sino-Japanese War victory in Japan in 1895, the Treaty of Shimonoseki , and the opportunity was leaving the Chosun than regime sealed copy of the Qing, "Monument humiliation" monument as was and is a gate Ying'en same The time overthrown, buried in the ground. But Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula after 1913 was raised in, even after the liberation ( 1945 ) or buried again, then blink a few times out and repeated, in Korea, "Historic Site No. 101" (February, 1957 day) was given to. 1963 was washed away in floods, Seoul , Songpa -dong 289-3 Ishimura ( longitude 127 degrees 06 minutes 25.44 seconds, 11.92 seconds north latitude 37 degrees 30 ) restored was. "Korean symbol of humiliation," as was the wish of the transfer, such as [1] [2] [3] .
:In 2008, this monument, negotiated in situ, Lotte World behind the building of the greenbelt in the Xihu lake northeast side of the street 47 Jamsil-dong Songpa Ishimura ( 127 degrees east longitude 37 degrees 30 minutes 38 seconds north latitude 6 minutes 6 ), as determined by the Cultural Heritage Administration to be transferred. [4] to yield Injo scene was built next to the stone (you are kneeling down on the ground in front of Representative Hontaiji) copper plate of the "cultural heritage value is not a" reason and Cultural Heritage Committee that the removal was based on a decision [5] .
* The English page says : it is designated as the 11th Historic site of South Korea.
:The monument was buried after the Qing army was wiped out during the First Sino-Japanese War but was re-erected in 1895. In 1956, the South Korean ministry of culture and education reinterred the monument, considering it a record of national humiliation. It was unearthed in 1963 however due to a flood, and was eventually registered as a cultural property, in recognition that even shameful events in history must be remembered. In 1983, the city of Seoul built a small park around the monument. The South Korean government has done little besides this to attract attention to the site, which is generally considered shameful by nationalist Koreans.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pldx1 (talk • contribs) 07:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic Turtle Property 

message: Hong Taiji (1592-1643) started his career (1626) as Khan of the Great Jin (nowadays called Later Jin). His policy was to incorporate around him as much as possible of his defeated adversaries. In 1635, all of his initial basis were renamed Manchu (to keep track of who is who) and in 1636, he elevated his status into Emperor (instead of Khan) of the Great Qing (instead of Jin). This was an acknowledgment of his increasing power, but also a way to facilitate the transfers of loyalty of those who were taking distances from the deceasing Ming Dynasty.
It would be interesting to have a more precise timing, using days and not only years. At the 1636 surrender ceremony of King Injo, was Hong Taiji still only the Khan of Jin, or was the Qing Empire already proclaimed ?  In other words, was the surrender ceremony one of the first acts of the new Emperor, or was the 1637 command of the Samjeondo Monument an a posteriori move ? Thanks in advance for these complements. Pldx1 (talk) 08:56, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More details about year 1636 would be great 

message: I found :File:Samjeondo Monument-Manchu.png seems have a wrong spelling within gurun-i and han-i, as I observe, the suffix -i should be sightly seperated from the proceding word (seen from this page), and joined via U+202F.--Great Brightstar (talk) 05:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for noticing that.  I have uploaded a new version of the file with the Manchu text corrected. BabelStone (talk) 01:01, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, the image looks better, good job! -- Great Brightstar (talk) 13:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

text: I have removed a template that post a notice for review.--Great Brightstar (talk) 13:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong spelling in the Manchu script picture 

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