Talk:Marie Antoinette (2006 film)

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*Support per nom and existence of Marie Antoinette (film). --Usgnus 06:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Does it make sense to refer to Louis as France's last absolute monarch?  Napoleons I and III were arguably absolute monarchs, as well. john k 22:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not true. Napoleon I was indeed the sole ruler of the French Empire at the time, but under his reign there was a constitution and many ideas of the Enlightment were put into practice (like a schoolsystem by the government, instead of the church), unlike before. Louis XVI's power was without boundaries. For Napoleon III, he was nothing but a absolute monarch. Remember, he became emperor by a referendum. While he was emperor, his decision were often made by public support. --Soetermans 22:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Absolute monarchs

message: Why is only The Netherlands mentioned? I, as a Dutchman, don't feel that it adds anything. If it were US or global boxoffice, I'd understand, but this is too little to mention.
--Soetermans 22:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Box office

message: How do you get rid of these comments/names...? They don't show up on the edit page? 213.112.249.100 17:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tyler hickson/mikie kablacek 

message: key films:
Marie Antoinette
The Count of Monte Cristo
Elizabeth
Ever After
The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc
The Man In The Iron Mask
Les Misérables
Phantom of the Opera
The Three Musketeers
Kingdom of Heaven
Green Card
Random Hearts
Le Femme Nikita
The Patriot
Ronin
Timeline
Master and Commander: On The Far Side of the World
Beauty and the Beast
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
The Pink Panther
key people:
Alexandre Dumas
Luc Besson
Jeanne Moreau
Juliette Binoche
Carole Bouquet
Brigitte Bardot
Catherine Deneuve
Eva Green
Anne Parillaud
Sophie Marceau
Christopher Lambert
Jean-Claude Van Damme
Gérard Depardieu
Tcheky Karyo
Julie Delpy
Jean Reno
Vincent Cassel
Gerard Butler
Rhode Islander 03:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about a making a "list of Anglophone media with presentations of French culture" (or similar)? 

message: No desire to find out correct info and edit, just pointing out that the Soundtrack entry for the article does list New Order's Age of Consent and the Trailer entry for the article states Age of Consent was used in the trailer despite not being in the film. Seems to be an inconsistent statement unless Soundtrack covers film and studio promotion music. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.208.255.26 (talk) 22:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundtrack/trailer inconsistency 

message: The description of the plot of the movie seems to follow the real life of Marie Antoinette, rather than what was actually portrayed in the movie.  For example, the movie does not show her death.  The final scene is the royal family leaving Versaille. 71.218.194.50
I was also going to comment on this.  The description breaks from the plot of the movie and moves to a more historical perspective several times.  The difference between what is historical fact and what is purposefully shown to the viewer is a critical distinction in this movie.  For example:
*"Ironically, the Revolution that worsened the plight of the French peasantry soon inspired them to start one of their own. Food shortages grow more frequent, as do riots in Paris."  
A more accurate description would point out that just as Marie is naive regarding the shortages, so too is the viewer.  There are, however, subtle references to her declining popularity, such as the "Queen of Debt" image and the scene at the second Opera.  
Also:
*"hedonistic and decadent", "where they continue in their frivolity."  
'Hedonistic' and 'frivolity' are somewhat loaded terms, they could be more objective. "Lavish" would be a better alternative to "hedonistic."  Likewise, instead of a subjective judgment of what happens at the ball ("where they continue in their frivolity"), why not offer a more objective description: "where a masked Marie meets and seduces a Swedish Count, Axel von Fersen.  The two are quite taken by each other, but Marie must return to Versaille before she can reveal her identity."
*"It is suggested also that at this time Marie Antoinette enters into an alleged affair with Count Axel von Fersen (Jamie Dornan)." 
It is not suggested or alleged. In the film, the two do in fact have an affair. Historical accuracy is not relevant to a description of the plot. 
Perhaps a "Historical Accuracy" section following the "Plot" description would improve this page.  Happy editing! 76.81.218.167 20:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment there's not much mention of the advisor or the count, even tho the film might leave a doubt of who would be Marie Antoinette's second child's true father? (And by the way, the stylized film also skips pregnancies complitely! Rather unusual of a film concerning biography of a woman, who has many children. This emphasizes MA as a hedonistic teen even further than just cakes & shoes.) - Suviko from fi-Wikipedia / --82.103.201.248 23:54, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot description problems 

message: Removed a reference to a "chilly reception by the French press". Actually the film received mostly positive reviews:
http://www.allocine.fr/film/revuedepresse_gen_cfilm=57887¬e=4&ccritique=18661214.html
Givennovel 18:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Press 

message: Was wondering if others thought it necessary to insert a spoiler warning in the plot section, I do realize it's historical, but still it may be a good idea. Astadtler 10:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's no longer our style - it should be expected that plot sections include spoilers. -- Beardo (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Warning? 

message: The Response and Box Office sections of this article read as extremely biased, with wording which attempts to refute or "explain away" criticism and poor performance of the movie (without citation, naturally). These sections should be re-written to remove the bias. -- Mecandes (talk) 15:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we remove the bias?

message: Why does this section no longer exist? The way she was portrayed in this film, beyond details like how many children she had, was a source of much consternation with historians. Ebolamunkee (talk) 00:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Enjoy yourself fixing the inaccuracies of the... inaccuracies !  Frania W. (talk) 02:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the major inaccuracies concerns Yolande Martine Gabrielle de Polastron, duchesse de Polignac, and this inaccuracy is not only in this article, but in every article in which she is mentioned.  She was known under her first name Yolande, not "Gabrielle".  Frania W. (talk) 02:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical inaccuracies  

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message: This article is majorly lacking in a legacy section to address the significant critical reevaluation the film has experienced in the last five, or so, years.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.138.230.140 (talk) 03:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy Section Needed 

message: Did anyone else see them in the film? 2A00:23C5:15:3E01:8819:BD0E:8A4:6A6 (talk) 18:52, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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