Talk:Leonardo da Vinci/Archive 1

message: *Note 1: da Vinci's employment with Ludovico Sforza commenced in 1478, not 1482 as previously stated. 
*Note 2: da Vinci's father's occupation was wrongly stated, according to 
--Neoconned 06:33, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note format 

message: From the main page:
:It is been proven that he is not homosexual at all.
Lacking more information about this proof, I removed this sentence. AxelBoldt
:There  is no solid evidence that he was homosexual, it is purely speculative conjecture based on a twisting of phrases taken out of context.   Da Vinci should be here to defend himself.  Shame on Wikipedia for allowing such innuendos.
What you are writing is completely false. There is solid evidences.
Candid 13:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible homosexual 

message: Is there any way we might turn this into a seperate article? I know he's getting a lot of attention with The DaVinci Code, plus I'd like to go into a bit more detail on his appearances in DC Comics. 70.153.5.195 22:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. See Leonardo da Vinci in fiction. Cfitzart 00:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: That upwardly-pointing finger is not limited to Leonardo, much less being  his "signature", but is a standard rhetorical gesture that every student of rhetoric knew. --Wetman 11:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leonardo in fiction 

message: Why is Leonardo da Vinci sorted in the categories by "Leonardo" and not "Vinci"? --Conti|✉ 21:56, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Leonardo is his name; Vinci is the place where he was born and not a surname in the common English sense. Fredrik | talk 23:41, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the answer :-) --Conti|✉ 01:58, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorting names in categories 

message: What were the "technical difficulties that prevented Leonardo from completing the Battle of Anghiari mural? --Theo  (Talk) 23:44, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Anghiari 

message: Is this article now worth nomination for Featured Article Status? Fulfils... I think most of Wikipedia:What is a featured article. - Estel  (talk) 13:11, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
: Actually, assuming that this is a Biography, then WikiProject Biographys says that it must have the following sections:
** Front matter (above the table of contents) 
*** One or two paragraphs giving a brief record of the person's life. Remember, on a print-out, this is the information on page #1. 
**** Name in bold print followed by the birth and death dates in parenthesis. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) for more information. 
**** One sentence describing the occupation(s) and most notable accomplishment. 
**** Information on parentage, spouse(s), descendants, as well as residency. Include dates. 
** Early Years - major experiences (especially those contributing to later achievments, education. 
** Major Achievements (in timeline order) 
** References (with cited sources) 
** See also 
** External links
:Of which "Early years" and "Major Achievements" do not exist in that form - Estel  (talk) 13:19, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
:No, this is by far not yet ready for WP:FAC. A cursory read revealed false information (see #Leonardo's death below). The article needs at least a thorough fact check and more extensive referencing. Lupo 08:09, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:FAC]] 

message: I am terribly sorry but what does the category vegetarians do on this article. Nowhere in this article it states he was a vegetarian. It would be kinda difficult to find that out wouldn't it? Waerth 02:57, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The information can be found through this link. Written by David Hurwitz. --Eleassar777 12:05, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't it be mentioned in the article? Right now I was inclined to remove te vegetarian cat, but 15.000 edit experience on nl:wikipedia told me to ask first .... not everybody might think that way .... Waerth 00:58, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: I included some information and a link yesterday. Feel free to add more. Regards. --Eleassar777 06:37, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thx .... interesting it already was an issue so long ago ... Waerth 12:26, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegetarian 

message: Hello. I think the image is not correctly depicting Leonardo. I suggest replacing it with the "standard" image of Leonardo (his scetched self-portrait) instead of this make-up version created by some else much later. --Fred chessplayer (talk) (edits) 16:31, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the commons image page, the one at the top is a self-portrait also. Probably not right, though. Fredrik | talk 17:22, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I can't believe the article this contained logic--good catch.Yeago 17:48, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homosexuality versus Morality 

message: I have replaced the bolded text from following sentence of the article:
:Leonardo da Vinci died in Cloux, France on 2nd May, 1519, in the arms of King Francis[4].
where "[4]" pointed to the reference
:Renaissance Warrior and Patron, R J Knecht, page 140
This reference, which I have also removed, is from a book on Francis I, not on Leonardo; it doesn't say anything on Leonardo's death except "Leonardo came to France in 1516, where he was given the manor of Cloux outside Amboise by the king, and he died there three years later." In contrast, the 1911 Britannica writes "King Francis, then at his court of St Germain-en-Laye, is said to have wept for the loss of such a servant; that he was present beside the death-bed and held the dying painter in his arms is a familiar but an untrue tale." (emphasis added, Lupo. :de:Leonardo da Vinci uses an exact translation of this 1911 Britannica text.) A French web site states "C'est là qu'il mourut, le 2 mai 1519, au Clos-Lucé dans les bras de son élève Francisco Melzi (et non de François 1er, comme le veut la légende)." ("There he died on May 2nd, 1519, in Clos-Lucé [Cloux? –Lupo] in the arms of Francesco Melzi (and not, as the legend tells, of Francis I).")  is another site claiming that Leonardo didn't die in the king's arms. Brockwell, based on Vasari, is another source that does report the "Francis I" version. I don't know who this Brockwell was, and Giorgio Vasari's works seem to be of doubtful accuracy and he may well have been liable to glorify a bit. Personally, I'm more inclined to believe the 1911 Britannica; at the very least, it seems to be unclear in whose arms Leonardo died. I have therefore removed both the mention from the text and that "Google print" reference. Lupo 07:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, this Google search indicates that "Cloux" and "Clos Lucé" are different names for the same place. I've changed the "Professional life" section accordingly. Lupo 08:03, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leonardo's death 

message: I was surprised by the paragraph that begins with: "In 1506, Leonardo met Count Francesco Melzi, the 15 year old son of a Lombard aristocrat. Salai eventually accepted Melzi's continued presence and the three undertook journeys throughout Italy." Nowhere in the text before the second sentence is a Salai mentioned.
After going through the history of the page, I found there was an edit performed on July 29th that removed a whole section on rumors about Leonardo's homosexuality that explained who Salai was. I think the rest of the paragraph makes very little sense without the three paragraphs that have been removed (including why exactly this Salai would have minded Melzi's presence, etc.).
There is no comment on the edit. Does anyone have an opinion as to why the three paragraphs that were removed should be removed?
:You mean this edit. Obviously, Salai needs to be introduced. I have added a short paragraph to that effect. Discussion about Leonardo's alleged homosexuality should go in some other section, since most of it is speculation and interpretation by much later historians and/or critics. Also, any discussion of that topic should be written carefully and sourced extensively and precisely. Lupo 10:56, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
::I don't think that those paragraphs belong at the top of the article. It almost seems as though the discussion of whether Leonardo is a homosexual is placed as being more relevant than discussion about his art, inventions etc. Cfitzart 04:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ...more a reflection on Wikipedia than on Leonardo really. --Wetman 06:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salai 

message: Added some more to the Art section. The Catholic encyclopedia here  has a nice way of dividing his life into 3 'periods' which I thought would be good to have here:
* 1. Florentine Period
* 2. Milanese period
* 3. Nomadic period
Cfitzart 15:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Periods 

message: Just a thought: maybe somebody who knows how (I don't since I'm new to Wikipedia) could take the second (much more famous) portrait of Leonardo and place it at the beginning of the page instead of that odd picture of him wearing a hat?
:I thought about it before, but since you point it out I'm going to do it right now. Jules LT 22:31, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leonardo portrait