Talk:Leslie Feinberg

message: Does Feinberg use these pronouns? If not, such usage is POV. Rick K 07:39, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
:Here's a relevant quote (from 2003) which may answe[r the question to some extent.
:PFLAG - Darn Those New Names and Pronouns
::At one point I heard about some new pronouns and thought I would be terribly clever and politically correct using "ze" and "hir" in referring to a transgendered friend mid-transition -- until I was told "No!" Most transgendered people, and perhaps all transsexual persons, identify as one gender or the other; use the pronouns consistent with how they are presenting at the time, or as they prefer. When talking with Leslie Feinberg, noted transgender author, I asked Leslie which pronouns to use. Ze shrugged hir shoulders and said ze didn't care. While these have never been widely used, they ARE handy once in a while.
:As I recall, in Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue., s/he often uses just that - s/he. But I don't have it to hand, so would have to verify that. --David Edgar 08:51, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, is enough a little visit to hir webpage to know which pronoun Leslie Feinberg likes to use. --Dia^ 22:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gender pronouns

message: I have actually met Feinburg. From what I remember, s/she uses both neutral and male gendered pronouns to refer to hirself. S/he uses gender neutral pronouns (s/he, hir) in hir novels to identify transgender characters, while any men or women in hir novels are referred to using traditional gender pronouns.
However, I believe although the word is pronounced like "zee", it is written as "s/he". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rglong (talk • contribs).
The pronoun set ze/hir/hirs (which Feinberg does, in some instances, use) are pronounced zee/hear/hears. But they are written as ze/hir/hir. 76.247.152.99 (talk) 00:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Yes

message: Because using standard English pronouns (he and she) are unacceptable to Feinberg apologists and non-standard pronouns (ze, hir) are unacceptable in an encyclopedia, I think this article should try to avoid pronouns in general, as it is now.  Just a thought. --75.39.23.117 (talk) 01:14, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Leslie used the older definition of transgender: anyone who is gender-nonconforming, including those who transcend or reject gender entirely. It's only relatively recent redefinitions, used primarily by those who are much newer to the LGBT communities, that have excluded butch dykes and drag queens from under the trans umbrella. Looking through articles on WP... you have to go deeper into people's descriptions and sourcing to see what definition they are using. - CorbieV☊ 21:10, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronouns 

message: There's currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Use_of_non-standard_pronouns_for_trans_people about use of non-standard pronouns in the article. Please join in the discussion there. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  21:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion ended with no clear consensus maybe use gender neutral language? Raquel Baranow (talk) 04:56, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronouns - ze and hir use in article?

message: Why the wholesale revert? The lede right now is too short for WP standards, and I corrected dates as well as clarified some of her positions. What's up? - CorbieV☊☼ 15:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuller lede, proper names and dates on books 

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message: As this has mostly been discussed in the edit summaries, I wanted to make sure it was updated on talk. Pronouns are the most-often changed and reverted aspect of this article. But Feinberg covered this issue pretty thoroughly in the long quote in the article: HERE, specifically about which pronouns she preferred when writing for a general audience. Wikipedia is about as general an audience as you get. Also, Minnie Bruce Pratt, Feinberg's widow, referred to Feinberg with  "she/her" pronouns in the official statements released when Feinberg died. Because there are a variety of materials out there, that Feinberg wrote and spoke for differing audiences, it's probably possible to find other materials with other pronouns (such as more informal materials, recorded at smaller events geared for specific audiences). But the quote we've embedded, as well as Pratt's words, seem to be the clearest statements that Feinberg has left us about preferred pronouns, in Feinberg's own words. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 19:31, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronouns, in Feinberg's own words 

message: I added HTML escapes in this edit.  This clearly makes it harder to edit the article, at least with respect to pronouns and possibly surrounding material, and I won't object to a revert on policy grounds; but it does attempt to address a consensus decision at this article to prevent continuing disruption.  Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:22, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Following the addition of the Filter (see next subsection), the use of escapes no longer seems necessary; so I backed it out. Mathglot (talk) 04:18, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  HTML Escapes 

message: Should this page address at all that there is good scientific evidence that the stated cause of death for Feinberg, chronic Lyme disease, is not a real disease, therefore the actual nature of Feinberg's illness and death are unknown? 146.115.176.45 (talk) 02:58, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. As it's currently written, it sounds as though hir death was due to a Lyme disease infection going back to the 1970s, when this does not align with modern medical science. Feinberg has been quoted talking about receiving "ILADS care" which likely was in the form of long term antibiotics administration and other dangerous treatments which very well could have been hir actual cause of death. 2601:197:800:8090:E4B6:2C8B:6189:BC4F (talk) 01:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death