Talk:Jens Stoltenberg

message: Greetings, maybe this are a good sources for citation in section: https://www.newsinenglish.no/2010/07/13/stoltenberg-wants-polluters-to-pay/ and https://www.norwayexports.no/speech-at-offshore-northern-seas-2008-by-prime-minister-jens-stoltenberg/ 
Thank You Marek Pafčuga (talk) 23:08, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Environment and climate change

message: Would anyone care to add that?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.213.211.171 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Movie: Oljeberget

message: I find OBSCENE that a man who has been the main lobbyist for the Industrial-Military Complex of the United States pushing NATO to expand and obliging europeans to spend 2.2% of its budget into weapons, bringing on purpose the cholera of madman dictator put-in to Ukraine to kill innocent people so we get a new cold war is depicted as a 'humanist politician who started his career protesting the bombing of vietnam'... truly obscene, wikipedia twisted attempts to rewrite truth from its biased western p.o.v. are reaching new heights.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.151.75.78 (talk) 06:38, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Political background

message: For the record, the pedophilia line was added by  at 11:47, 9 November 2005,  and removed at 10:16, 10 November 2005 , with the other vandalism by that IP removed shortly after. The IP also vandalised Red-Green Coalition (Norway) , which was removed in about 1.5hrs  - better than the 22.5hrs it took here. I've also watchlisted the article. Rd232 talk 10:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ha, I miscounted the time it was up (someone just corrected it). In my defence, I was distracted because I was supposed to be working... Rd232 talk 19:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Not sure how credible the apology is from a completely different address. --Eddi (Talk) 04:55, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandal

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The bolded entries are those that seem a bit more sinister or hateful. Entries marked with an asterisk (*) aren't really vandalism but inappropriate entries such as unsourced claims and opinions. __meco (talk) 11:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism recounted

message: No sources are given in the article, and so the anon's addition of  is quite valid. Since this has become such a disputed article, I suggest we add a section with a list of sources, and all non-trivial information should refer to at least one source. --Eddi (Talk) 15:51, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources are always good, but the anon's addition of  was plainly designed solely to avoid rapid reversion of an edit that had an edit summary abusing an editor. I therefore reverted it anyway, but have no objection to adding the tag in principle. Rd232 talk 17:17, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Why is there monarch info in his infobox? __meco (talk) 20:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monarch info 

message: Information about Stoltenberg's suffering a mild form of Ankylosing spondylitis has previously been removed. I suggest this item is notable for inclusion in the article. __meco (talk) 10:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ankylosing spondylitis 

message: I'm sure Mr. Stoltenberg attends many international meetings with many organizations. This particular meeting is not in itself very notable or unusual. I know that these meetings are of interest to conpiracy theorist, but this page ought not to favor that particular point of view. Paxuniv (talk) 20:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilderberg meeting not exceptionally notable

message: Should there be some mention of the AUF membership scandal in this article? Perhaps a link in the See also section? __meco (talk) 11:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  AUF membership scandal 

message: Seeing how this article is currently linked from the Main Page, it's in a horribly poor state. The AUF membership scandal, which was a minor episode in Stoltenberg's political career, takes up half the article, in clear violation of WP:UNDUE. His first cabinet is covered, but this section is almost entirely about the transfer of power. His second cabinet is hardly covered at all. I'll put up an "undue" tag, though perhaps it's better to wait until it's off the Main Page. Lampman (talk) 09:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe this could be worked on by expanding the other sections, rather than removing that one? I notice that political scandals and criticism often receive significant attention, for example in the case of Mette Hanekamhaug. 158.143.136.183 (talk) 15:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight 

message: Maybe mention somewhere that he uses (used?) the nick Steklov when playing games, and that the reason is that KGB once used that as a code name for him?  I'm not familiar with the rules regarding editing the article, so I add the information here instead. :)
Sources:
* http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2008/04/08/531926.html
* http://www.notablebiographies.com/newsmakers2/2006-Ra-Z/Stoltenberg-Jens.html
* http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=5815202  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.103.69 (talk) 15:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steklov 

message: The section about Stoltenberg crashing with a parked car and then leaving the scene without giving any notice to the owner of the damaged car, was removed by EPadmirateur with the following explanation: "  rv per WP:UNDUE: discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and neutral, but still be disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic.)" The information  was originally entered into the article by  without any references, then promptly removed for that reason, then readded and re-written by me to remove some inaccuracies/hyperbole after I had dug up a reliable source for the incident.
I suggest that information about criminal and unethical behavior by a top-level politician is not a trivial matter and that it is much more relevant to the biography of such an individual than in the case of for instance a movie actor. These are people whose entire careers and activities hinge on the trust given to them by the voting population. When they show to behave reprehensibly, even in a non-political context, and when that has been discussed prominently in mainstream media, we would simply be amiss in doing our job of writing an encyclopedia if we did not allow such information to come to the surface. I am therefore readding this section, adding additional sources to the story. 
I should also address the use of WP:UNDUE to support the removal of this text because that is really quite a stretch. In fact, the quote provided by EPadmirateur is the only segment of text in the section Due and undue weight of the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy page which could at all be invoked to address the current issue, as all the rest of the discussion there is focussed on to what extent a minority opinion contra the majority opinion is to be presented in an article about a topic. And the quote in no way supports removal or suppression of any information. All it does is point out that certain angles may be "disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic". Should we then also remove the information about his sister being a recovering heroin addict? Or that he has admitted to having smoked cannabis? Or that he has two children? Or, perhaps not the last since that couldn't be seen to paint Stoltenberg in a not so flattering light... 
I think it is fine that editors keep a vigilant eye out against slander, rumour-mongering and BLP violations, but I do not think it is fine when we take on the role as apologetics and spin doctors. That can sometimes, at least for some, prove to be a fine line to thread. And I'm not reproaching EPadmirateur here, but I am insisting that this incident is noteworthy in the biographical article about the highest elected public servant of a country. __meco (talk) 17:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed section about hit and run incident 

message: This photograph of an adolescent Jens Stoltenberg (I assume it's authentic) has been attempted added to the article on at least a couple of occasions. I think it is quite charming/amusing. It's unlikely that it has the right licensing for our use, and some would likely object to its inclusion in any case, but I would be amicably inclined towards having it in the article if the rights could be sorted out properly. __meco (talk) 09:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wonderful photograph 

message: I'd appreciate if others who read Norwegian and have access could check out the reference for this and make comment on the reliability on this source and the author specifically. Stoltenberg must have been 13 or 14 years old at the time, so it's more piquant than discrediting, I suppose, but nevertheless. __meco (talk) 03:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stone throwing incident 

message: I have added some new images.
That's all.
Why is this vandalism??
Even though you are an administrator/moderator, you have no such rights.
Please explain why you deleted it.
You are the one who destroys this article by deleting other peoples edits.
Shame on you!
--HAAVE 11:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The images had low encyclopedic value and did not fit inside the article. Full stop. --Eisfbnore talk 12:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. The pictures posted recently by HAAVE are perfectly valid for an encyclopedia. It appears that your alternative choices of pictures have a particular point of view that seem to violate WP:BLP by putting Stoltenberg in a deliberately negative light. Would you care to justify your choices of pictures for this article? And also why these other choices are not encyclopedic? In the meantime, I suggest that you stop edit warring about this. Thanks, EPadmirateur (talk) 02:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Before you start tossing accusations around about my POV and similar, I would like you to please tell what is so great about these close-up pictures. --Eisfbnore ðç 07:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Another image which could be used is :File:Jens Stoltenberg.jpg, which is a featured image on Commons, and has even been picture of the day there. Irrespective of the quality of the images, the captions for some of the removed images were quite problematic: this is the English language Wikipedia, please do not use terms like "statsministeren" and "statsråder" as they are Norwegian and have English equivalents. Arsenikk (talk) 12:49, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I just noticed there is also this one :File:Jens Stoltenberg red background.jpg which is also acceptable and preferable to the current photo in the lead. --EPadmirateur (talk) 03:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, then let's try :File:Jens Stoltenberg.jpg. What objections do you have to this one? --EPadmirateur (talk) 02:16, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

text: If it's not vandalism, then it's at least disruptive to add close-up, substandard pictures to the infobox like this one and this one (). However, :File:Jens Stoltenberg.jpg is certainly an appropriate infobox picture, so I think we have reached consensus. :) --Eisfbnore talk 18:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this vandalism? 

message: Please include the story about the passengers being paid.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23680064
The article as of today implies that the taxi story was an honest effort by Mr.Stoltenberg to listen to "the people's true meanings", citation by BBC news. Some days later it was broadcasted - also by BBC news - that the passengers were paid actors,
and the story obiously lost its former credibility.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.201.154.209 (talk) 00:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Anonymous" taxi driver story 

message: Mr. Stoltenberg has been confirmed as the Secretary General designate of NATO. He will take office on 1 October 2014. Someone should write a little about this. 85.165.227.94 (talk) 15:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secretary General designate 

message: "brutal reminder of the necessity of NATO," stating that Russia's actions in Ukraine was "the first time since the Second World War that a country has annexed a territory belonging to another country."[47]
Apparently this guy never heard of the Golan Heights.
71.173.20.219 (talk) 21:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annexing A Territory. 

message: Describing him as the "27th Prime Minister" and thus only counting prime ministers since 1905 is very ahistorical indeed and factually quite wrong. In addition to the fact that Norway had a number of prime ministers with today's title statsminister (state minister) prior to 1905 and which are regarded as the identical office, there is also the question of how heads of government with other titles than statsminister should be taken into account. And anyway, in Norway prime ministers are not counted at all. This number 27 is hence a form of original research, and not something used by Norwegian sources. Bjerrebæk (talk) 03:40, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct. Everyking (talk) 03:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "27th Prime Minister"

message: <edit: this was moved from User talk:Bjerrebæk: trying to have  the debate in one place. >
:Anne Sender, as the elected spokesperson for Det mosaiske trossamfunn is RS for the views of the Jews in Norway, in a way JPost/Gerstenfeld will never be. And Gerstenfeld made it very clear, in a meeting with Jews in Norway that he does not care about them.  (see here), Gerstenfeld said:  "I couldnt care less about the Jewish Community in Norway, all I care about is to get your Jens, Jonas and Kristin off the back of my Prime Minister".  Jens, Jonas and Kristin are Jens Stoltenberg, Jonas Gahr Støre and Kristin Halvorsen. And in this attempt to "get your Jens, Jonas and Kristin off the back of my Prime Minister"  he is (mis)-using the Jews of Norway. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Who represents the views of the  Jewish Community in Norway?

message: It seems that Stoltenberg is clearly a member of this commission. Is there a reason not to mention this fact? I am asking because mention of his membership in the Commission has been deleted several times from the article. That the Commission does not have a Wikipedia article cannot be a reason not to include it here; this is not a standard for notability.  HGilbert (talk) 18:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The reason it was removed may have be that it lacked an independent reliable source, but such sources are not hard to find. I believe the commission may be notable as well.(One of the IPs seems to have been a possible sock harassing another Wikipedian, so it may have been removed for that reason also). Iselilja (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: @Lukeno94 -- Please explain your justification for excluding this here before removing it. HGilbert (talk) 12:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

text: *Reverting an edit by a block-evading sock that is here simply just to harass a particular user. No comment on the content whatsoever; I was merely hitting rollback on every single edit that was obviously a reversion of that user. If you'd checked my editing history and the IP's before questioning, you'd have worked it out. :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 12:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

text: *OK; that makes sense. Thanks for explaining. HGilbert (talk) 12:52, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not convinced it's notable, although it does have a quasi-article now.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 05:02, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global Commission for the Economy and Climate 

message: The BLP noticeboard states that when the subject has departed from the noticeboard, the placer of the notice is supposed to take it off the subject's page.  Whoever you were, may I suggest that you comply with the requirement.  Ta.  - 173.16.85.205 (talk) 20:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. My fault. Removed it now. Thanks. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 23:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>{{BLP noticeboard}}</nowiki> 

message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 07:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion|Request for Comments]] 

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message: This is rubbish, Stoltenberg wasn't even in the car......Huldra (talk) 22:19, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: Can u guys please talk to zelensky to admit with Putin in any thing he wants for the sake of humanity because u guys know very well that putin can not listening to any thing u guys say.i cannt talk more my texting but I HV strategic plans on how we can end this war .conduct me for more information.thank u 197.189.183.21 (talk) 18:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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