Talk:History of Islam in southern Italy

message: Recently, many Muslims from war-stricken Bosnia and Kosovo have tried to illegally enter the Mediterranean country. Haddad (1999), pg. 608
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This line, in the section "Muslims today", is poor and not relevant in my opinion. Balcan Muslims entered Italy mostly from Apulia and than directed northwards, not affecting Sicily that much. It is also to state which degree of Muslim religiosity can be appointed about Albanian and Kosovo Muslims.--Dans-eng 23:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balcanic Muslims in Sicily 

message: There was never a muslim conquest of simply "Southern Italy". Sicily? yes. Small parts of mainland Italy? yes... but Naples, which is considered the unofficial capital of Southern Italy has never had a muslin conquest (read; Duchy of Naples).. so to say "southern italy" in general is an over statement and untrue.  - Soprani 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't agree with that. "Southern Italy" is used here as a generic reference to a couple of lands which couldn't be defined more properly... would you prefer an article such as "History of Islam in Sicily, Calabria, southern Lazio, neighbourhood of Bari"? 
--Attilios (talk) 15:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Soprani is right.  This is a lousy title.  If you want to be generic then just say Italy.  Arabs invaded many regions of Italy including the North.  I think there is a political motive here, that is to maintain this stereotype that Southern Italians are Arabs. 70.188.163.94 (talk) 23:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Over stating

message: The page, like most, could use improved referencing and it does have "citation needed" tags here and there, but unless there is very specific beef, it hardly needs a citations tag at top. Srnec (talk) 00:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Note on sourcing

message: Hi, a new article, Arab-Norman civilization was created today by .  What do the editors here think of this topic?  Is it worth its own article, should it be renamed, or should it be merged elsewhere, such as here or to the Norman conquest of southern Italy article?  Or somewhere else?  Comments requested at Talk:Arab-Norman civilization, thanks. --Elonka 10:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Opinions needed

message: Folks, the edit-warring and related edit summaries on this article are embarrassing.  Referring to each other with words like "vandalism" and "crap" and "trolling"??  I thought better of both of you.  Can you please stop with the reverting, and just talk about what it is exactly that you want to do with this article? --Elonka 12:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The "crap" I removed was not added by Gennarous. It was a longstanding misconception based on 1000-year-old propaganda. I don't think I have been uncivil at all, though I did counter "Islamophilic" with "Islamophobic". But I have presented adequate reasons to justify everything and he has not responded. Srnec (talk) 13:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dispute

message: I have absolutely no expertise and very, very little knowledge of the topics under discussion: this is an area of the encyclopedia where I am a reader rather than a writer. So the matter becomes very simple: Gennarous’s edits are designed to prevent me from learning anything about the presence of Muslims in the Southern Italy of the Middle Ages, while Srnec’s are designed to tell me something and to back that up with reasonable sources and decent English. When I look at the debate here, and the edit summaries in this article and those related to it, I see that Srnec shows no obvious signs of ignorance in the handling of sources, while Gennarous shows no obvious signs of intelligence in using them. I have read around the issue a little and see that the subject is of some importance—the Sicilian emirate, for instance, lasted a lot longer than Italian Fascism or Russian Stalinism. On the Five Points above it seems to me that any dispassionate observer—Elonka, for instance—could only pronounce a 5-0 victory for Srnec and an ‘annihilation’ for Gennarous. I move that the Srnec version of the lead be restored and that, in due course, the article be improved in various ways—Ian Spackman (talk) 23:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Resolution

message: Punic/Carthaginian (from the 11th century BC) and Greek (from the 8th century BC) colonies were established in Sicily. After the end of the First Punic War (242 BC), the victorious Romans drove Carthaginians out, so Greek and Latin remained the common languages of the island. As a Roman province, the use of Latin was more and more predominant. So, by the time of the Islamic conquest of Sicily (c. 980 AD), the island was almost completely latinized. When less than a century later Sicily was reconquered from the Arabs, its re-latinization was an easy, natural process. --Zack Holly Venturi (talk) 21:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Latinization and Re-latinization of Sicily

message: "All the Christian survivors from that fortress were executed, children and women sold as slaves at Palermo." - requires citation.  Faro0485 (talk) 11:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treatment of the inhabitants of the town of Castrogiovani 

message: I'm unclear about this sentence: The Byzantine exarch of Ravenna Olympius also came to Sicily but was unable to oust the invaders,  who returned to Syria after collecting a large amount of booty. Who returned to Syria with the booty- The Arabs or the Byzantine? This is what I get for trying to copyedit a subject I know next to nothing about. Mxvxnyxvxn (talk) 21:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear Sentence 

message: Liguria, Piedmont, Alps etc. are northern Italy. Latium is central Italy. I guess the page must be moved to "History of Islam in MEDIEVAL Italy" as in italian wiki --Jack McCormack (talk) 19:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title inaccurate 

message: The section "Independent emirate of Sicily (965–1091)" ended with the following incomplete and nonsensical sentence fragment (which didn't even end with a period):
*The operation was initially favourable to the Byzantine-Kalbids, but when the Byzantines returned to Calabria al-Akhal
I've removed this sentence; however, now the section ends with this sentence:
*Al-Akhal asked the Byzantines for support while his brother abu-Hafs, leader of the rebels, received troops from the Zirid Emir of Ifriqiya, al-Muizz ibn Badis, which were commanded by his son Abdallah.
So now the section still ends without any kind of closure. Ltwin (talk) 00:35, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Incomplete sentence and section

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article contains a reference "Tyerman 2006, 55." but no work by a Tyerman is defined. Presumably something by Christopher Tyerman. DuncanHill (talk) 03:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useless ref - Tyerman 2006, 55.