Talk:Mac Gargan

message: i knwo scorpion has the vemon symbiote right now but when i clicked onto the page i was confusd for a while, Did i click on the Venom page by mistake? This whole symbiote thing will be short lived anyway so i say we put a more classic example of his costume on there--Sublime2681 23:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Main Pic

message: While I agree that Venom (both Eddie and Gargan) have engaged in cannibalism, I hardly think eating Skrulls counts as cannibalism because they're not human... and technically neither is Venom... 142.26.133.248 (talk) 17:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cannibal

message: Okay, the Scorpion has been around for along time and he has always been a second tier villain. Basically, he is a moron and that is why Spider Man beats him. So far, the true Venom symbiote (not the clone introduced in the limited series) has only had a couple of hosts: Peter Parker, Eddie Brock, Brock's ex-wife (very brief), The gangster's son, and now the Scorpion. It abandoned the gangster's kid because it discerned that he was an inept weakling.  So the suite obviously looks for quality in its hosts. From that you can kind of figure that it won't be holding on to Gargon long, because he is a dumb a**. That is why he got caught immediately after he got the venom symbiote. He's just not terribly bright or effective. Right now he's locked up (as far as I know) so we know the symbiote can't get someone else and it probably will look for another superhuman before anything else. 
So its sort of a given that this is a temporary thing to freshen things up a bit. A device used by writers to give characters lasting endurance. Example: Sales down? Make the Hulk gray for a few years. Remove Wolverine's adamantium. Replace Thor with an alien Horse-guy who steals his girlfriend. Give Spidey a Black costume for a few years. Take away Spidey's powers, introduce a clone, kill the clone give him back his powers. Temporary pattern. Of course Scorpion is a more minor character than all of these examples, but the Venom symbiote isn't. So what they want to do is put the symbiote on a bunch of complete losers for a little while and make the readers who really want to see that Old Venom who could kick the hell out of Spidey back, pine for thier favorite villain; build that anticipation. Then in the climax to some story, Brock (who isn't an imbecile like Gargon) or possibly even Cletus Cassidy (yah I know he's supposed to be dead) gets the symbiote. Heck, Venom was originally supposed to be a female character. Why not give it to the second Spider-Woman who lost all her powers? 
Point is that the Venom symbiote on Gargon is a temporary plot device. And the main panel shouldn't reflect a temporary plot device. When you look back at the hundred or some odd comic books Scorpion has appeared in he didn't have an alien symbiote. So its good to mention the symbiote, and show a picture but its a little presumptuous to put it on the main character panel as though its gonna stay that way.
Now if this were the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Update 2005, then naturally we would have a pic of the Venom Scorpion. But its an Encyclopedia meant to depict what the character represents in terms of the culture and history of comic books, which entails the original costume. 
That is my 2 cents. Enough people don't think so. I won't try to fight it.
::::Oh yah, another point. For those of us who have followed the spidey books for all of these years, we know that the Scorpion is already physically more than a match for Spidey. He's as strong as Spider-Man and then add another half to that. And he is more durable. So its obvious that all of the physical powers he has aren't helping him beat Spider-man. He's stronger, more durable, has a better arsenal, he is just as fast and agile, and yet he always gets his a$* handed to him. So making him stronger and adding a few more powers is not going to help the guy; the alien symbiote costume is redundant. Analogy: if your car has problems with its transmission, and you improve the suspension and make the engine more powerful and then take it on a cross country trip, your transmission is still gonna fail. He needs a brain transplant. Mediocre intelligence; albiet with some investigative skills, has allways been a part of the Scorpion character. That's another reason I just don't see the plot device lasting. ScifiterX 10:27, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that Gargan's a "dumb a**", as you put it, only makes it easier for the symbiote, which, in case you never read the article on the Venom symbiote or any of the more recent comics, is itself sentient, to manipulate him, unlike the "We don't kill innocents!' Eddie Brock.  Oh, and FYI, the Hulk was originally grey, and Marvel later changed him to green.  Gargan is Venom, for now, at least.  If and when that changes, we update the article to reflect that, as always. 75.157.78.82 (talk) 16:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Scorpion Costume

message: The female Scorpion's birth name is explicitly, rather than "doubtless" a reference to Hawthorne (, ), but it comes from her first appearance, not the HoM Hulk issues. I don't have time to rewrite that section just now, but if someone would fix it... - SoM 15:30, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hawthorne reference

message: I've looked at both the Dark Reign: Wolverine and Dark Reign: Sinister Spider-Man comics, and in them Gargan's Venom form is drawn as being 100% identical to Eddie Brock's.  Does Gargan, in the mainstream Dark Avenger's comics, retain the inner eyes, or is it just the white eye-patches?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.107.206 (talk) 17:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eyes or no Eyes? 

message: Hey, I moved the page "Mac Gargan" to "Venom (Mac Gargan)". I would like to explain why. My goal is to get rid of the page "Mac Gargan" by transferring all the Scorpion-related material to Scorpion (comics) and leave all the info on Venom on this page. Since there are pages Venom (Eddie Brock) and Venom (Angelo Fortunato), I thought I could do the same for this one to be consistent. 
I don't want to mess anything up, so if anyone could please sort out the information into their appropriate pages, I would appreciate that. Thanks.
(Comp25 20:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The consensus seems to be that if a character has more than one alias, that we use the real name (when known).  Thus Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter) became Julia Carpenter because she also uses the name Arachne.  Eddie Brock is Venom (Eddie Brock) because he doesn't use a second alias.  BOZ 16:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New pages 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Spidermanep2.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Spectacular215.jpg

message: Why does the link for the Sinister Six read Sinner Six?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 23:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinner Six? 

message: I added another Scorpion pic for the lede. It serves a different purpose than the comic cover which shows Gargan's first full appearence. 68.251.175.168 (talk) 20:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  two scorpion pics 

message: I read that Cletus Cassady was supposed to be making a comeback as Carnage in either the Sinister Spider-Man or Anti-Venom's series.  I take it it's the Anti-Venom one, but I'm not sure.  BRW, notice that on the Sinister Spiderman covers, Mac's Venom form looks identical to the Eddie Brock Venom (no "eyes"). 75.157.70.71 (talk) 02:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carnage vs Venom or Anti-Venom? 

message: Redeemer, General Wolfram, Dementoid, Doctor Everything, Eleven, and Hippo?  Who are they and what are their powers? 75.157.70.71 (talk) 00:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who are these guys? 

message: I have a new pic of Mac Gargan as the Scorpion. I need approval to use as an top image. :File:Mac Gargan as Scorpion.jpg
Captain Virtue (talk) 20:36, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New Pic!

message: Molecule Man vapourized him, no?  What's happened since?  Hasn't a Dark Avengers comic come out since that happened?  Seems quite the anticlimatic death for one of Marvel's most famous supervillains.  142.26.194.190 (talk) 22:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  So is Mac Dead or Not? 

message: Has anything significant enough happened to Venom in Seige, other than the symbiote taking over Ms. Marvel, to warrent adding it to the article?  Was Gargan arrested or is he dead?  Is Gargan still the symbiote's host or have they been seperated?  Information from Seige 4 has  been added to other articles, so why not this one?  75.157.115.154 (talk) 03:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While it's confirmed that Gargan will return as the Scorpion with a new costume, the symbiote's fate is unknown.  The only way Eddie is gonna get the Venom symbiote back is if he gets rid of his current one.  Maybe that'll happen, maybe there'll be a fourth Venom, like the female Carnage that's coming up.  Who knows.  Until then, Wikipedia isn't a place for personal comments.  Save those for blogs and forums.  75.157.120.15 (talk) 06:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Symbiote's fate is NOT unknown. It is now attached to Flash Thompson, just to clear it up. ggctuk (2005) (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siege Cont. 

message: "After healing, he retains his monstrous form, rarely returning to his usual size." is what is says in the Thunderbolts section.  Does "usual size" refer to his human form?  If that is the case, then it should read: "After healing, he retains his monstrous form, rarely returning to his human form."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.89.129 (talk) 01:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearance 

message: This page is full of trivial content 2A02:C7F:E873:B200:BCFD:90B4:511D:A4F8 (talk) 17:32, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page needs review 

message: So, there are some things blocking people from adding info to various things on this page. The only pages as of this section’s writing for people with the Scorpion alias are for Mac Gargan and Scorpia. I have also noticed that when I added information on this page for the Scorpion in the Ultimate Spider-Man show or the Scorpion from Into the Spider-verse (who are both not EXPLICITLY Mac Gargan or Scorpia  but but use the Scorpion alias) my edits have been reverted. Therefore, I propose that we make a page for “Scorpion” like the pages for Venom and Carnage, which list the SYMBIOTE in generals’ appearance in other media and do not list the appearances based on a specific host. However, I do not think we should remove this page or the Scorpia page. Please come back to me on this. 207.136.88.24 (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about a plain old Scorpion page?