Talk:Ted Williams

message: hey i have a question why was ted william called thumper because i am looking for a nickname and i am wearing his number and look up to him as a baseball player so i was just wondering why he was called that? if anyone can help email me at — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.169.97.218 (talk) 22:27, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: California Birth Records have his first name as Theodore, not Teddy. The 1920 and 1930 census records for San Diego list him as Theodore. Questors 23:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: Question regarding the genealogy of Ted's mother.  Will the person who posted the very interesting material on the Spanish roots of the Venzor and Hernandex family please be in touch? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyous! (talk • contribs) 02:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: question

message: I've heard Williams walked about 20% of the time; can somebody confirm?  Trekphiler 03:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: This article was failed because of insufficient references. joturner 01:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: The image doesn't work. -Fsotrain09 05:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: Shouldn't there be a great deal more information on his military career/experience? Being a fighter pilot in two significant wars warrants more attention. RedSix 17 May 2006
* Agreed! It would be great if some more focus on this aspect were done. --Don Sowell 21:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pilot experience

message: Alcor may not deny having taken him without a *contract*, but that's not the same thing as doing it against his wishes. To the best of my knowledge, it's fairly clear that Williams got exactly what he wanted. Others may not agree with his wishes, but the article makes it sound like two of his children secretly planned this thing out without his knowledge or consent. I'm not asking you to believe their side of the argument, but I do think it should be presented.
69.21.93.150 13:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current edit makes clear that all the children (two for cryonics, one against) were doing what they believed their father wanted. 71.160.248.79 18:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I am going to remove all of the unsourced material from this section again. It reads like a soap-opera and has very little in the way of sourcing. Please only re-add if you properly source each item. From Wikipedia:Verifiability-- The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a reliable source, which should be cited in the article. If an article topic has no reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it. -- No Guru 22:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alcor Controversy

message: The article is in the American Atheist category but I don't see anything in the article as it stands to suggest that he was in fact an atheist. Pretzelpaws 20:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Atheist?

message: Ted Williams hit the game winning home run in the 1941 All 
Star Game in Detroit off of Claude Passeau. The footage of him skippping around the bases is from that game.
He described it as "his greatest thrill in baseball".
Williams did hit a home run off of Rip Sewell's Eephus pitch in the 1946 All-Star Game, in the 8th inning.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.182.233 (talk • contribs) 22:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion about Rip Sewell home run and film footage

message: I read Alcor's rebuttal of SI, and at the end there's this: "The best proof that Alcor handles cases responsibly is that in 32 years of Alcor history and detailed case reports, no reports can be found of anyone choosing cryonics with Alcor ever going to reporters or authorities to complain that they were misled by Alcor, or regretted their choice of Alcor." Does anyone else find it unsurprising that no people cryonically frozen by Alcor have complained? I don't, since as far as I know, dead people who have had their heads cut off and members put in liquid nitrogen don't complain much.--Grand Slam 7 02:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember blog traffic at the time where people asked why the two children who sent him there weren't complaining, and apparently still wanted to be frozen themselves.  They and others waiting to be frozen are presumably the "choosers" spoken of. 76.169.207.173 03:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alcor's rebuttal of SI

message: There's a line that I'm not seeing the significance of:
"Interestingly, it(the infield shift) is often used against David Ortiz, Jason Giambi, Jim Thome and Travis Hafner."
Why is this interesting in an article about Ted Williams? If it is that interesting, some more elucidation would help. --Don Sowell 21:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been no answers forthcoming in about four months on why this is so interesting or relevant to Ted Williams, so I've pulled it. --Don Sowell 22:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting?

message: I've stumbled across this page and have no idea what the picture of the "9" is about. Should it have a comment or caption or redirection?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomshanka (talk • contribs) 04:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was his number and it probably should have a comment. BrainRotMenacer 18:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Someone who knows more about Ted Williams should probably repair the second paragraph of Early Life, where it says: 
"He turned professional while still in high school, and had offers from the Yankees and the Cardinals, but decided to play basketball with Joe at the local Y. Joe was usually hot from the corners, and played absolutely sintalating defense by waving is plastic leg in front of Ted, while he would try to shoot, giving Williams the hand-eye coordination needed to hit a baseball."— Preceding unsigned comment added by RGarella (talk • contribs) 15:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: vandalism?

message: This article states, "His mother, May Venzor, was a Salvation Army worker of Basque descent from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico." 
That suggests that May Venzor was primarily of Basque descent which is not the case. The Venzor's ancestors were originally Basques who emigrated to Mexico, however, they intermarried with Mexicans. May Venzor's mother was full Mexican and her father was Mexican as well as Basque. The Venzors referred to themselves as "Mexicans" and Ted Williams himself referred to that side of his family as "the Mexicans". Williams also once told Nomar Garciaparra(Mexican-American) that he was also Mexican. So I don't understand why May Venzor's Basque heritage is being emphasized.
SamChambers (talk) 10:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: good point SamChambers, I almost want to say that there's a climate of bigoted hostility towards things "mexican" to a lot of American archivists, particularly on Wikipedia, to downplay the Mexican people or even relegate them to a corner of "irrelevance".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.18.49 (talk) 09:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Basque / Mexican background

message: See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 10:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations & References

message: The article states that he held the liftime OBP record at .551 for 61 years.  But Baseball Almanac has him listed as still holding the all-time OBP record at .482
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hiobp1.shtml
Which is correct?  Or am I missing someting?
Djcbuffum (talk) 02:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He holds the lifetime OBP record at .482 and he held the single-season OBP record for 61 years (.553, not .551, actually): see . Both are technically correct, but the article is unclear about which is being discussed in the lead. That needs to be clarified in one direction or the other. Camanda (talk) 02:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: OBP Stat.

message: There is no reason to add his career stats to this wiki article, per WP:NOT#STATS. A link or links to relevant websites that have this information should be used instead. Timneu22 (talk) 10:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Following the lead of other articles, a single line covering his career stats such be sufficient. The details - probably more than anyone but a die-hard figger filbert would want - are in the external links. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Um, so you agree to remove the grid? Timneu22 (talk) 18:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not removing anything. I'm just saying it's probably not needed. But it's not bothering me that much either. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't bother me too much but it irks me because it isn't right. I'll probably remove it by monday ;-). Timneu22 (talk) 22:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For guidance, you could look at Ty Cobb. However, check Babe Ruth. As a last resort, you could go to WP:Baseball and see what their talk page has to say, if anything. I think this issue came up before, but it might be archived. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 22:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It did come up, and I was the one who brought it up! :) There was some agreement that grids aren't cool. Timneu22 (talk) 00:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So YOU were the one! Well, the operative word there, I guess, is "some" agreement. So your best bet is probably to change this one to just a single career line, and see if anyone beefs. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove the statistics grid

message: The article says that he died in 2002. But is he really "dead" if he's going to be revived soon? And how do we format the article once he is revived from cryonic suspension? Please, this is a serious question. I'm interested in cryonics and I'm a huge basketball fan 203.184.2.234 (talk) 03:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's funny. Tell us another one. P.S. Williams was a baseball player. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trouble with dates

message: Quote: The Tampa Bay Rays home field, Tropicana Field, has installed the Ted Williams Museum (formerly in Hernando, Florida) behind the right field fence. From the Tampa Bay Rays website: "The Ted Williams Museum and Hitters Hall of Fame brings a special element to the Tropicana Field. Fans can view an array of different artifacts and pictures of the 'Greatest hitter that ever lived.' These memorable displays range from Ted Williams' days in the military through his professional playing career. This museum is dedicated to some of the greatest players to ever 'lace 'em up,' including Willie Mays, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, and Sadaharu Oh."
I'm told that Williams included Shoeless Joe Jackson in his hall of fame, scorning Jackson's exclusion by the "official" Hall. WHPratt (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Ted Williams Museum/Hall of Fame

message: This statement at the end of the first paragraph is supported by two footnotes.  The first footnote is an article that concludes in its last sentence, "Ruth is the best hitter the game has ever produced."  With all due respect for Williams and the opinions of his admirers, shouldn't either the statement be revised or a better footnote be found?  Or better yet, giving the article a new section to review the issue? --McTeague (talk) 18:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying BA, RBI, etc. are "real" and OBP and SLG are not? Saros136 (talk) 11:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "The greatest hitter who ever lived"

message: This article especially bits in the "relationship with boston media" section seems to be written in an inappropriate style. (SSJPabs (talk))  —Preceding undated comment added 14:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Professionalism

message: “Our father was not a religious man. The faith that many people place in god, we place in science and other human endeavors.” — Children of baseball legend Ted Williams, Reuters, July 25, 2002 67.243.7.245 (talk) 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Reuters obituary

message: Re an edit I made, changing "surrounded by players...including Tony Gwynn and fellow Red Sox Nomar Garciaparra" to "...including fellow Red Sox player Nomar Garciaparra", later reverted by editor Baseball Bugs: on the one hand this is a very minor point to bother fussing about. On the other hand, that cuts both ways, and I did have legitimate reasons for my edit, so unless I'm offered a good reason why the edition was bad, I'm going to dig my heels in. Here is why I made the change:
1) There is no reason to single out Tony Gwynn over any other player (it was an all-star game; all of the players there were notable).
2) Calling a single person "a Red Sox" feels wrong: the general convention is to drop the plural when referring to players of a team ("a Yankee"; "a Phillie"). "Red Sox player" is a way of avoiding the issue. Note that the only other place in the article where this comes up (in reference to Johnny Pesky), the same formulation "Red Sox player" was already used in this article.
Note that both of the above minor issues were only introduced in the first place as the result of the mistaken assumption that Tony Gwynn was a Red Sox player: the phrase originally read "...including Red Sox Tony Gwynn and Nomar Garciaparra". An editor later fixed this factual mistake, leaving the sentence with the above stylistic infelicities. JudahH (talk) 15:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Red Sox" as a singular is perfectly acceptable. I imagine the reason Gwynn was mentioned is because (1) he's associated with San Diego, Williams' home town; and (2) he's associated with a high level of batting skill, as Williams was. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:23, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, well in truth I don't see a strong reason to single out anyone at all, including even Nomar, but if you think there are reasons that Tony Gwynn's name is a point of interest (such as the one you mention), then I don't have a real problem with its inclusion. Same goes for singular "Red Sox"--it still sounds a touch odd to my ear, but nothing worth making a stand about. If you still want to change the wording back, I won't re-revert it again. JudahH (talk) 04:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The usage I've heard is "he's a Red Sox" or "he's a White Sox". If it were "Socks" you could say "Sock", but "Sox" is a coined word that doesn't really have a separate singular form... although it could also be argued that "he's a Sox" is really short for "he's a Sox player"... which means that "he's a Cub" is incorrect usage. As far as Gwynn and Garciaparra, I want to see when and by whom those items were inserted. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:54, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, the Gwynn think goes back several years, and it was indeed based on the San Diego connection. However, he was initially referred to as a "fellow San Diegan", which is not quite correct as he was born in L.A. and moved to San Diego to attend college. The Garciaparra thing was added later, though still at least a couple of years ago. I'm inclined to leave it out. In short, I'm inclined to leave it as you've got it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor point of wording

message: I thought Mr Red Sox is Johnny Pesky?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.242.162 (talk) 22:51, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
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message: This article mentions Joe DiMaggio's hitting streak, but has no mention of Ted's record of 84 consecutive games reaching base safely, which I consider an even more impressive record. I think reaching base safely via a walk or hbp is vastly underrated as the hitter has no control over whether or not he's pitched to. Can anyone fit the record in somewhere? Dancindazed (talk) 23:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  84 consecutive games reaching base safely 

message: I went ahead and deleted all the 0's everywhere they were improperly used in batting averages such as "ted williams batted 0.400" to change them to ex: .400. the lack of a number in the 10's place before a decimal implies a 0 and is written that way in both math and even more often in baseball. if anyone feels the 0's should stay please discuss.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.9.222.112 (talk) 05:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. You're not likely to find any source that puts a leading 0 there. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  batting averages with 0's 

message: Ted Williams Brand has been proposed for a merge into this main article since about a year ago, with attendant tags.  I'm not even sure if that article meets notability, but it is quite short, and could be merged in with minimal impact.  At the least, a decision on the merge should be made.  Absent better notions, I'd merge it and let it persist or not as a section in the main article. ENeville (talk) 00:55, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Absent any comment, I'm executing the merge. ENeville (talk) 19:28, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ted Williams Brand 

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message: There is mention of Williams in Baseball and Fishing Hall of Fame, being the only athlete in two halls, but the Jim Brown page talks about Brown being in football hall of fame and lacrosee hall of fame.  This should be changed.  12.165.172.4 (talk) 17:48, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hall of Fames 

message: Williams is a "17-time" MLB All-Star (AL) according to Hall of Fame  . 1939-42, 1946-51, 1953-60 (17 years).— Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs) 07:40, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 17-time All-Star

message: * No mention of the 84 consecutive games reaching base safely (issue was raised two years ago above).  Comparatively, DiMaggio walked before his 56 and after his 56 and then had another 16 consecutive games with a hit...which actually would mean DiMaggio reached base safely in 74 consecutive games...Williams still kicks his ass.
* No mention of his 16-for-16 at bats (which statistically is harder than the stats for Williams' 84 or DiMaggio's 56). I think this was in 1947.  
Why are these omitted?--ColonelHenry (talk) 19:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Two key stats missing

message: This article states early on that Williams was an "outstanding fielder."  More like an average fielder.  Yaz, Fred Lynn, and Dwight Evans were great fielders.  Williams has enough accomplishments that there is no need to embellish his fielding (or speed).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaronCBurke (talk • contribs) 02:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Elden Auker, who pitched for the Red Sox in the 1940s, was a member of our Central Florida SABR chapter. Once, in assessing his own fielding support, he mentioned Williams in the same sentence as Dom DiMaggio. I said "So, Williams was a good fielder?" He replied that he felt confident with Ted out there. I know that runs against conventional wisdom, but it's an unimpeachable source. Many concede that Ted did learn to play the "monster" wall to good advantage. WHPratt (talk) 06:08, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Great fielder?

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message: Nothing about Larry Johnson's claims of corpse abuse at Alcor? Seems like this should be mentioned.
* https://www.si.com/vault/2003/08/18/348299/what-really-happened-to-ted-williams-a-year-after-the-jarring-news-that-the-splendid-splinter-was-being-frozen-in-a-cryonics-lab-new-details-including-a-decapitation-suggest-that-one-of-americas-greatest-heroes-may-never-rest-in
* http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ted-williams-frozen-head-batting-practice-cryogenics-lab-book-article-1.381985
* Frozen ISBN 1-59-315560-3
NTK (talk) 06:32, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcor 

message: The footnote for the statement that Williams died at Citrus in Inverness is a no-go. I have it on good authority that he actually died at Shands Hospital in Gainesville.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:AD12:BCBE:83DD:4285 (talk) 19:33, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of death 

message: Has anybody read Full House, by Stephen Jay Gould?  There is a lot of stuff there on the decline of batting averages.  Gould is more interested in Joe DiMaggio, but there is lots on Ted Williams. --JHowardGibson (talk) 15:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Full House

message: Ted Williams was so interested in hunting and fishing that he, like Babe Ruth, visited L.L. Bean in Freeport, Maine.  In retirement, Williams even made Mr. Bean an offer to buy part of L.L. Bean as a business.  This correspondence is reportedly in the possession of the Bean company, according to a documentary on Mr. Bean.  Somebody may want to edit the main article in this regard because it is an interesting facet of Ted's retirement years.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.27.38 (talk) 23:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post Career 

message: Someone add that he is the all time leader in BB%. Thanks. BaseballHOFPlayers (talk) 00:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  BB% 

message: I would like to add a line in this article re: the Williams reference in the film Inglourious Basterds. I have written up the following, but don't know if it should go in the 'Legacy' section, in a new 'In Popular Culture' section, or if it should be excluded altogether. I'll defer to someone with more experience...
> Williams' reputation as a strong hitter has also garnered recognition in popular culture. In the film Inglourious Basterds (2009), Sargeant Donny Donowitz (who sports a thick Boston accent) invokes Williams' name while beating a Nazi officer with a baseball bat. Drcatherwood (talk) 21:47, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to be trivia to me, which would bump up against WP:WEIGHT. In the greater scheme of his life and career, it's just a single mention. Anastrophe (talk) 22:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inglourious Basterds name-drop 

message: The intro calls him a 19-time all-star. Later, it says "first of 16 all star appearances." Which is correct? 73.86.46.50 (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in article