Talk:Rangers F.C./Archive 1

message: as per Celtic F.C. and History of Celtic F.C.
Rangers F.C. article is too long
Palx 10:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Split the page ?

message: I removed the reference to Linfield's 200 trophies as they are not all 'first-class' trophies. The concept of 'fist-class' competition is clearer in cricket for example, but the list for Rangers does not include Glasgow Cups, competitions won during the War, pre-season and other unofficial competitions. Neil Leslie
Neil. You've qualified the type of trophies you're talking about here, but in the article there is no such qualification. In the article it states that "Rangers have won more trophies than any other club". That is just not true. They haven't won more trophies than any other club. What are "first-class trophies" anyway? It just seems to be something you've come up with to justify a false statement. Kind Regards. [LittleRocket]
I'm not going to bother reverting this -- I agree that the notion of first-class trophies is unclear in football (that's why it's in scare quotes) -- but if you count all and any trophy then RFC have a lot more than 107 (Competitions won during the War; Glasgow Cups; Reserve, U-21, etc; Tennants Sixes (:-); etc etc) If you go with the analogy with first class averages in cricket, this is used to include only 'proper' games -- excluding village green stuff, for example. In this sense 'first class' just means 'normal' (although it can be used to distinguish County and Test averages from just Test averages). I am not an expert on the status of all the NI competition, but I don't think that all the trophies listed on the Linfield site are at the same level: and remember the 107 figure for Rangers *only* counts 'proper' competitions. I'm sure that proper football historians have a proper notion of which competitions really count. For what it is worth you can get into a similar discussion when you compare club head to head records -- for example the first Old Firm match is not counted in the records as this was only a friendly. Neil Leslie 19:24, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: World's Most Successful Club??

message: A long time ago an anon added "RS McColl" as a player.  Is this true, or will Rangers soon be signing John Menzies and WH.Smith too?  -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 22:43, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: RS McColl ?

message: :Rangers won their 100th major trophy in 2000, the first club in the world to reach that milestone. They were specially honoured by UEFA.
I added this, but I now can't find any external reference to what that honour might have been. I'm sure there was something. Anyone remember? Sjorford 14:50, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 100 trophies

message: I have just removed :Image:Egil.JPG for the following reasons.
# There is no caption. Who is it? (Ok I know after a bit of research that it's Egil Ostenstad)
# He's wearing a bloody Blackburn Rovers shirt not a Rangers shirt. 
# There is no information about the source of this picture. The image appears to have been taken from Football-Rumours.com and copyright is claimed by that site.  Mintguy (T) 11:15, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Image Removal

message: Hi
Do you think that it would be worth to make a Category:Rangers F.C. players to list all the players who are playing or have previosuly played for the team? Would another category 'Category:Rangers F.C.' be neeed to list miscellaneous topics and mangers as well? - Master Of Ninja 12:07, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rangers players category 

message: This page is frequently victim to vandalism, most notably by PatGallacher, who claims not to be a "Catholic or a Celtic fan", it does have to be asked what is your fascination with Rangers Pat? Why don't you go on a variety of English teams pages and catigate them for their fans behaviour in europe? Why not go on Celtic's page and be negative about them? Jimbo79 18:18, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rangers detractors 

message: How the hell did anonymous user 82.153.107.78 manage to edit this article while it was protected? I'm calling in the developers. -- Arwel 14:18, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah this figure is indeed incorrect. He scored 251 League goals, looks like it was confused with Most League Cup goals. Forbsey 02:57, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

text: No idea. The Heart of Midlothian F.C. article is still protected also. Both are out of date.  Forbsey 19:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I see it's over 3 weeks since this page was protected now. I think it's about time it was unprotected, if people can be ready to guard against vandalism. I have to say it's disappointing how the Rangers, Celtic and Old Firm articles act as vandal magnets - I've got dozens, if not hundreds (since I create stubs for all teams in the qualifying rounds of the Champions League and UEFA Cup) of football club articles on my watchlist, and these 3 are by orders of magnitude the worst vandalised articles - far worse than Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool, which are moderately vandalised. OK, I did do a revert just now on FK Partizan, but that's rare, and nobody seems to vandalise FC Kairat Almaty! I just wish these Old Firm vandals would bloody well grow up. If nobody objects, I'll unprotect this article tomorrow night. -- Arwel 22:23, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: np. I totally agree with you Arwel. The frequent Vandalism of the Celtic and Rangers articles, and to a lesser extent the Hibernian and Hearts articles, is shocking. It's a pity that we have such sad uneducated folk in our society. Hopefully this time the vandalism will be kept to a minimum. Forbsey 08:24, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing page while protected

message: Pre-Johnston Catholics include:
Pat Lafferty,
Archie Kyle,
"Doc" Kivlichan (who, like Johnston, was an Ex-Celtic player),
Joe Donnachie, 
Johnny Jackson, 
John Spencer,
Hugh O’Neill, 
Laurie Blyth,
Constantine McGhie,
James Tutty, 
Colin Mainds,
Tom Murray, 
Tom Dunbar, 
Don Kichenbrand. 
Note that this is a short list. Also of note is that no Catholics were signed between 1920 and 1950, and between 1960 and Mo Johnston. It's bizarre that Rangers supporters continue in this game of denial. Rangers had a de facto 'No Catholics' signing policy for large parts of their history. It's a fact. Why deny it?
There may have been more Catholics that played for Rangers between WWI and the Souness era, however, disclosing your religious persuasion was never a prerequisite as a Rangers player.
This surely dispells the myth that Rangers pursued a sectarian signing policy. Bazton#
The above statement is nonsense. 
I would like to know more about Don Kitchenbrand. I believe he was South African and chose to conceal his religon. can anybody add to this ?PalX 12:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't help you on Kitchenbrand but this article about Hugh O'Neill who signed in 1976 is worth a look . Benarty 17:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rangers DID sign Catholics prior to Mo Johnston! 

message: The article said that the nickname is "Gers (rhyming slang for Teddy Bears)".
This is the wrong way round! So I changed it!
Camillus McElhinney 22:34, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rhyming Slang

message: Was trying to work out how to revert the article but can't. Can someone reset it to the last one that GraemeL reset it to?
I added some stuff as a wind up to a few mates and now can't get it back =\
cheers - no harm intended (though one mate nearly choked on his coffee).
Cheers,
A
:I will take care of it. See WP:REVERT for instructions for the future. --GraemeL (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting versions 

message: This tag is used on Wikipedia’s most vandalised page, George W. Bush, to deter vandals at the cost of making it more difficult for anyone else to edit. I put it here as an alternative to protection when there was an upsurge of edits that may have been related to the possible change of manager. Susvolans ⇔ 09:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> 

message: I updated the Sectarian violence page to include information about Scotland and the role the OF play in this. Would anyone object to a link from this page (and obviously one from Celtic's page too!)? Guinnog 12:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable to me, I can't see how we can have a comprehensive article on either club without mentioning sectarianism. I've added the article to my watchlist, if it gets liked from either of the Old Firm pages, it is more likely to be vandalised by one side or the other. --GraemeL (talk) 13:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done, on both the OF team pages. Guinnog 13:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Please see Talk:Celtic F.C. for further information regarding the addition of material on sectarianism.--Nicholas 10:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for moving the new section. It looks better there. Guinnog 15:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It isn't at the top. For most people, sectarianism is the first thing they think of when Celtic or Rangers are mentioned. I don't agree that sectarianism is dying out, though I wish it was. Guinnog 16:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The new section deserves to be at the top, as is the case with the Celtic F.C. article, because sectarianism is a deadly serious issue which, sadly, is perpetuated by both sides of the Old Firm. Not only does sectarianism manifest itself in linguistic discrimination (i.e. supporters of the Old Firm calling each other stupid names), but it can also manifest itself in discrimination at work and in the community, petty violence on the streets, and (in extreme cases) brutal cases of gang violence and murder. As much as I wish that it'd go away, sectarianism is a very real scar on Scottish society and both sides of the Old Firm have a significant role to play here! --Nicholas 16:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, not at the  top, but too near the top - before the history section. Sectarianism is most definitely dying out - when my dad came over from Ireland in the fifties the "No Irish" or "No Catholics need apply" signs where everywhere - Rangers now openly sign catholics, and most Rangers fans couldn't care less, as long as they're good players. A lot of the stuff between opposing fans is just letting off steam - I'm not denying that people continue to be murdered after games, but that's more a symptom of wider problems in society. Section needs to be moved. Camillus (talk) 16:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Why has the 'Old Firm & sectarianism' section been removed? There was a consensus that this section is necessary, see above.--Nicholas 19:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sectarian violence

message: Maybe we should shorten the article, as is done elsewhere on Wikipedia, by summarizing the existing material and creating new pages with internal links pointing to the longer articles. We could create pages such as History of Rangers F.C., Sectarianism and the Old Firm, Rangers F.C. Season 2005/2006, and so on. What do y'all think?--Nicholas 16:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been thinking of the best way to do that since the Celtic article was split to History of Celtic F.C.. The best that I can come up with at the moment is to split off most of the history section, but leave the last two paragraphs about recent seasons here in the main article, then add a potted summary of the history back in. My main worry with doing so is that it may leave the main article rather text poor, which is the main reason I haven't gone ahead and done it. Suggestions welcome. --GraemeL (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article is too long!

message: Yes, according to www.imdb.com, Sean Connery has supported Celtic all his life, yet occassionally appears at a Rangers game or does a favour for David Murray, as the two are friends - hence he should be removed from the "celebrity Rangers fans" section and added to the Celtic one.
I think you are right. He hangs out with Dermot Desmond. Palx 22:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sean Connery is NOT a Rangers fan

message: I added the fact that Willie Henderson was the last person to call Jimmy Johnstone on the night before he died, and was surprised to find that he was a "red-link", and that he's not mentioned on this page. He is of course in the Rangers Hall of Fame . Perhaps someone better qualified than me could contribute to an article about Henderson? Camillus (talk) 23:27, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Willie Henderson