Talk:Teetotalism

message: "In Nova Scotia and Dallas Texas, as well as among those who are from those places, it is commonly spelled "tea-totaller"" I'm in Ireland, and I've never heard of this variant. The usages I am familiar with are invariably 'teetotaller.' Don't know about Nova Scotia. Arrogant Papist 14:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nova Scotian who's never heard of it used that way checking in (and I *am* a teetotaler). 74.110.12.100 23:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 4 years of living in Ireland, never heard of it. I'm going to be bold and get rid of it --90.210.163.73 (talk) 21:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tea-totaller

message: The origin section needs rewriting.  OED does mention Turner, but certainly doesn't mention stammering!  And apparently there's an 1832 cite for "tee-totally" in the US meaning "completely totally"  Morwen - Talk 13:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: Is there any reason why Ken Jennings is the only person listed as a famous teetotaller on this page?  Surely there are more than just him (the category American Teetotallers must give at least a few ideas...GWB comes to mind...)
There should definitely be more Mormons.
On the other hand, is Mr. T a Teetoller or did somebody just put him there because his name is Mr T?
:Why is there a list here at all?  They're already is a list.  In fact, it's in the "see also" section.  This is totally redundant.
::Removed, and replaced with reference to List of teetotalers. Grstain | Talk 13:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither Heroin nor Clonazepam contain alcohol. FillsHerTease (talk) 05:07, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Teetotallers 

message: Does the term originate in Mr. T? (Which is a famous T-totaler) 217.132.194.8 20:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't the foggiest, but I believe the gent's last name is Tureaud.  It's likely based upon that rather than being an abstainer. 71.92.157.184 16:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. T 

message: This is very doubtful: "In India, teetotalism is often the norm in middle class society". Needs a cite. Amit@Talk 11:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  India Norm? 

message: I don't know about an immune response to alcohol.  Does anybody have a reference for this?Desoto10 (talk) 02:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcohol Allergy 

message: Anyone know religions that prohibit alcohol? I think Islam does, and certian Christian denomations, such as Baptist encourage teetotalism. Rds865 (talk) 01:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Bahá'ís, Brahmins, Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Hare Krishnas, Muslims, Seventh-day Adventists, and Sikhs generally do not drink based upon their religious faiths.  Quite a few Protestant sects (e.g. Baptist, Friends (Quakers), Methodists, Mennonites, and members of the Salvation Army) have historically taken a strong stance against drinking. There is a Wiki article on the topic of Christianity and alcohol should you be interested:  Christianity_and_alcohol 68.116.99.78 (talk) 22:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: and Buddhists - abstaining from intoxicants/intoxication (reading depends on individual) is one of the five precepts.  131.111.184.8 (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Religious Reasons

message: Both deal with the same thing, that is, abstinence from alcoholic beverages, but with a note that the concept also may be expanded to other forms. A mention of the use of the term sobriety in this article should be enough. Mikael Häggström (talk) 16:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see them remain separate articles.  Per the definition, one can be sober and still not a teetotaler.  What about merging sobriety into the abstinence article?  Just a thought.  Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 19:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from sobriety 

message: The article recently had some general clean up done.  A number of extraneous internal and external links were rightly removed.  I did, however, add a handful of 'See also' items back as I believe that they historically and culturally have a strong relation to the subject at hand. Just thought I'd leave a note to explain the reason. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 22:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also 

message: The list includes "Batman's secret identity, Bruce Wayne" as a notable teetotaler.  I'm wondering first if it makes sense having a fictional character listed here.  Since attention is occasionally paid in various media to Batman's teetotalism, I think it makes sense, but we should change the wording.  Batman (and secretly Bruce Wayne) is a teetotaler, but publicly, Bruce Wayne is a lush.  In-universe, Bruce Wayne is anything but a "notable teetotaler," even if the reader/viewer knows that he is.  I guess I'm saying it's more complicated than the list makes it seem, and may make more sense to remove altogether, since he's not a real person in the first place.
Also, why the random groupings of some teetotalers under a single bullet point?  I see no logic to listing a former cricketer and the French Minister of Economic Affairs together.  It gives the list a kind of absurdity that, while funny, is not encyclopedic.  Actually, I'll go ahead and split those up myself.  Let me know if they look alright—I'm new to wikipedia.  Salvador Dolly (talk) 00:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Teetotalers 

message: James is a reformed alcoholic. Does it count?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.88.140.171 (talk) 22:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am unsure if this is appropriate in this case; Hetfield is more likely to state that he is in "recovery".--Soulparadox (talk) 06:42, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Hetfield? 

message: The suggestion seems reasonable to me; is there any update on this matter or any other thoughts?--Soulparadox (talk) 06:43, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose  Teetotalism is not the same as the whole temperance movement.  This was a specific (if very strong) element within it, focussed on personal behaviour (rather than state regulation) and calling for total abstinence rather than drinking in moderation or avoiding hard spirits. JASpencer (talk) 22:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Temperance Movement article merge proposal

message: I seem to remember from my youth that our Baptist (a Protestant denomination) church always preached heavily against any form of alcohol whatsoever and selling it was certainly out of the question. So perhaps Baptism should be included in the 'Notable teetotalers' section?24.57.100.189 (talk) 13:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Some baptist denominations strongly encourage abstinence from alcohol, but it is not a doctrinal requirement. Mediatech492 (talk) 13:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Aren't Baptists teetotalers?

message: The Synonyms section really needs some help.  I removed the gallows origin of "on the wagon" as it is thoroughly debunked at Snopes.com -- Pemilligan (talk) 18:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synonyms 

message: I tried to add the link but it doesn't let me because "Abstemio" is linked to the "Abstemius" article on the English Wikipedia. Please review this. Abstemio is the equivalent to a teetotaler, not "Abstemius". Sincerely, a native Spanish speaker  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.151.172.116 (talk) 01:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teetotaler is "abstemio" in Spanish 

message: I don't know how or why, but this myth keeps getting propagated. He wasn't a big drinker, but there are numerous accounts from people who knew him saying that he did occasionally drink champagne, wine, and beer. He wasn't a rolling drunk, and he didn't drink every night, but he was NOT teetotal. How do we get his name removed? FillsHerTease (talk) 11:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler was NOT a teetotaler 

message: Triple H is a well known teetotaler 173.61.10.212 (talk) 13:18, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triple h Paul Levesque CCO of WWE is a teetotaler 

message: Why Hitler is not on this list fact of being one of the most known non smokers non drinkers and vegans of history? And there is tons of evidences recounts from first hand accounts etc. about it. Also that exclusion contradicts with Adolf Hitler and vegetarianism. Baris365 (talk) 06:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hitler was known to smoke and drink. Claims to the contrary are often subtle forms of propaganda. If you can find a reliable source that says otherwise, feel free to add the name back in. (A single article in an English magazine from the 1930s is not a reliable source). CurdyKai (talk) 14:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Adolf Hitler is excluded? 

message: There's at least 3 sources in the References section saying Trump is a teetotaler. Dcgh96 (talk) 04:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: He has been on the list previously and was removed, because although there are sources saying that he is teetotal, it is possible to assemble as many respectable references to say that he isn't really. Sbishop (talk) 08:11, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any reason why Donald Trump isn't on the list?