Talk:Amen

message: At least from a naive perspective, the argument that the Egyptian word begins with a Yod is utterly unconvincing, because that would make the Egyptian sound like Yah-men or Jah-men. I have trouble believing that the academics involved were stupud enough to think that this makes the argument forva connection between the two Deities less convincing, unless they were utterly married to the idea that the Hebrews were inspired ex nihilo by God. 184.69.1.190 (talk) 21:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you even bother to look at the Amun article, where it's said "Ancient Egyptian: jmn, reconstructed as /jaˈmaːnuw/ (Old Egyptian and early Middle Egyptian) → /ʔaˈmaːnəʔ/ (later Middle Egyptian) → /ʔaˈmoːn/ (Late Egyptian); Coptic: ⲁⲙⲟⲩⲛ"?? AnonMoos (talk) 21:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: The origin of the word Amen is basically from Arabic language but other points of views said that it is from Hebrew which it's delusional, whom Jews inherited the word from Arabic origin. The Muslims used this word as in prayers and (du'a) when concluding a prayer or reciting the first surah Al Fatiha of the Quran. Mer1210 (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Mer1210 Unfortunately, definitely recorded uses of amen in Hebrew predate the existence of Arabic language texts or any identified predecessor, let alone any recorded uses of amen in Arabic. GordonGlottal (talk) 22:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Share the resources ? Mer1210 (talk) 23:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Qur'anic Arabic is from the 7th century A.D., while parts of the Hebrew Bible go back to at least the 7th century BC... AnonMoos (talk) 23:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Again share a trusted resources? I share mine and it's trusted but you don't believe it and give me your opinions without even a resource! Mer1210 (talk) 13:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at Book of Psalms (which contains plenty of "Amen"s) and it says "most modern Bible scholars...attribute the composition of the psalms to various authors writing between the 9th and 5th centuries BC", then look at History of the Quran where it says "the revelation of the Quran to the Islamic prophet Muhammad began in 610 CE".  That's at least a 1,000 year gap in dates. AnonMoos (talk) 15:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

text: pretty sure its from the Egyptian origin, 3000 BC. way earlier than this says. Why would they want a wikipedia article to say this word started with Hebrew? 96.19.243.191 (talk) 11:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the very extensive discussions of this issue in the various talk-page archives linked above.  They say it's Hebrew because it's found in the Hebrew-language Bible, with a whole supporting etymological apparatus of triconsonantal roots.  (As has been repeatedly said in the discussions here before, if you don't learn at least a little bit about consonantal roots, which were important for the formation of words in both Semitic languages and the ancient Egyptian language, then you simply won't be able to understand most of the issues involved in improving this article.)  Also, the name of the god "Amun" had a "u" or "o" vowel in its second syllable (as clearly seen in Bible verse Jeremiah 46:25), and Amun was originally the local god of the city of Thebes, Egypt, and only attained national Egyptian prominence when that city was the capital of Egypt, as first happened under Mentuhotep II (not "3000 B.C.").  Etc. etc. AnonMoos (talk) 12:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amen origin 

message: :pretty sure its from the Egyptian origin, 3000 BC. way earlier than this says. Why would they want a wikipedia article to say this word started with Hebrew? 96.19.243.191 (talk) 11:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the very extensive discussions of this issue in the various talk-page archives linked above.  They say it's Hebrew because it's found in the Hebrew-language Bible, with a whole supporting etymological apparatus of triconsonantal roots.  (As has been repeatedly said in the discussions here before, if you don't learn at least a little bit about consonantal roots, which were important for the formation of words in both Semitic languages and the ancient Egyptian language, then you simply won't be able to understand most of the issues involved in improving this article.)  Also, the name of the god "Amun" had a "u" or "o" vowel in its second syllable (as clearly seen in Bible verse Jeremiah 46:25), and Amun was originally the local god of the city of Thebes, Egypt, and only attained national Egyptian prominence when that city was the capital of Egypt, as first happened under Mentuhotep II (not "3000 B.C.").  Etc. etc. AnonMoos (talk) 12:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: 2024

message: In Islam section, it says that "In Islam, it is used with the same meaning as in Judaism and Christianity.", while in the Christianity section, it says that Amen can also be used as an expression of strong agreement. My question is which Muslim scholars, or at least large communities of Muslims, would use 'Amen' as an expression of strong agreement? Desertasad (talk) 09:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In Islam community, at least in any communities around me, Amen is never used as an expression of strong agreement. The correct part of the text is that it's indeed used to conclude prayers because the literal meaning of 'Amen' in Arabic is "May it be so". It doesn't have equal meaning to "I agree with you" at least to my understanding. For the latter meaning, I often see Christians use it in such sense, even though when nobody is concluding any prayer. I sometimes see Christians say Amen after someone made a statement, so an expression of strong agreement would make sense in this context. Desertasad (talk) 09:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amen in Islam