Talk:Treaty of New Echota

message: I'd like to see more info in this article.
How many Indians were there in the territory involved (before the treaty)?
What is the territory involved (before the treaty - maps would be nice)?
"the Cherokee nation refused to recognize the validity of the treaty."
I'd like to see this expanded upon.  What was the population of the Cherokee nation?  What were the borders?  How many refused?
"The petition was ignored by President Martin Van Burden, who soon thereafter directed General Winfield Scott to forcibly move those Cherokee who had not yet complied with the treaty and moved west."
How many Cherokee "had not yet complied with the treaty"?  How many had?
The question of acceptance aside, were the terms of the treaty honored by all sides?
This seems like a pretty scant article for such an important part of American history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.131.149.122 (talk) 20:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More information needed

message: Both these entities are fictions of a group of white people going by the latter name.  Neither existed in reality, though the faction following Stand Watie during the Civil War, which included most of the Nation, was sometimes referred to by that name since they were part of the Confederacy.  Since treaties ending both the American Civil War and the Cherokee Civil War were signed by all parties in 1866, the term "Southern Cherokee Nation" is meaningless.  Part of the mythology of the group of white people belonging to the organization calling itself by that name is that the "Southern Cherokee Nation" is a continuation of the "Ridge Band", which never existed as a separate entity.  Furthermore, in 1834, there was no federal or state recognition of any Indian nation in the modern sense, and state recognition has zero validity anyway. Chuck Hamilton (talk) 18:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S.: After John Ross and company left the Cherokee Nation for Washington City, D.C. in 1863, Stand Watie was elected Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation. Chuck Hamilton (talk) 13:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: "Ridge Band of Cherokee" and "Southern Cherokee Nation"

message: The Cherokee legislative body was the "National Council", not the "General Council".  A "General Council" is an ecumenical convocation of the whole church, a possibility that has not existed since 1054. Chuck Hamilton (talk) 18:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A note on nomenclature

message: Source 7 is "Brown, p. 498-499." Can anyone shed some more light on this text? A full name for the author would be a good start, but I haven't had luck in finding it so far. Jaimalalatetre (talk) 13:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Some of these sources seem dated.  I will be checking later histories for interpretation of the events, as this is a different version in some respects and seems to rely heavily on Wilkins (1970).  I believe later historians have additional insights.Parkwells (talk) 18:53, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Newer sources

message: I have added a multiple issues tag to the article to reflect the challenges to its veracity in the talk page. WalshGiarrusso (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple Issues