Talk:Girlschool

message: The version of this page posted on 30 January 2005 appears to be a copy of http://www.girlschool.co.uk/biography.htm which had a modification date of 01 January 2005 when I looked at it on 07 December 2005.  Only minor edits have taken place since.  Is this a copyright violation? Drallim 09:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I have now given this band the article they deserve! I welcome the input of others to enhance it further.
Headshaker 08:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub Expansion

message: Could some brave soul convert the list into a chronological table? --kingboyk 22:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lineup 

message: I looked at the state of this article when it was tagged as resembling a fan site and containing information inappropriate for an encyclopedia. It didn't differ much from what it looks like now.
I disagree with those tags. Everything in the article are pieces of information I'd like to find if I looked something up in an encyclopedia. There's really not much excessive praise. That Kelly Johnson "battled" cancer may seem more heroic than simply dying from it, but it's quite usual to use such phrases when speaking about illness. Does someone else have opinions on the matter? I noticed that the tags have been placed there by an anonymous user who made a handful of contributions during two days.
I'd like to remove those tags in a few months if noone objects.--Odd M. Nilsen (talk) 15:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan site / inappropriate for an encyclopedia 

message: There is a contradiction in the final sentence of the introduction. It reads, "Despite frequent changes of line-up, original members Kim McAuliffe, Enid Williams and Denise Dufort are still in the band to this day; the last of the original members, lead guitarist and singer Kelly Johnson, died of cancer in 2007." If three of the original members "are still in the band to this day" then Johnson could not have been "the last of the original members" when she died. 
Perhaps what was intended was that Johnson was the first of the original members to die? I don't know enough about Girlschool to fix this with an edit. Perhaps someone else can clarify this and remove the contradiction tag. --Basil Fritts (talk) 22:50, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What you have written is fine. Lewismaster (talk) 05:49, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: These articles are supposed to be constructed on neutral descriptions of facts and events, not POV feminism which borders on the line of classroom lecturing. Which itself also comes across as inappropriate glorification of the subject (not very subtly suggesting that accolades should be given to the band as "trailblazing leaders"). 
This kind of thing hurts Wikipedia's reputation. I mean the article even concedes that GS doesn't embrace the whole "we had to overcome sexism" narrative, and it admits that very few females rock acts have ever cited the band's influence. Yet it goes so far as to connect their 'widespread' female rock influence to Riot Grrrl *major forehead palm*, and it incessantly makes the case for a "sexist, macho rock industry" they had to overcome. As though the other stated facts, such as how GS worked/performed alongside many big-name male rock acts and had a supportive male following, should be ignored as well.  It really doesn't seem to occur to people that feminism is an idealogically-slanted way of perceiving the world, one whose influence can never allow for neutrality. 
I'm also curious as to just how many female rock acts are going to be cited as the ultimate "path pavers" for all others? There was Heart, Linda Rondstadt, The Runaways, Debbie Harry, Suzi Quatro, Patti Smith, Grace Slick, Joan Jett, Nico and Vixen all who were known names before or during the time of Girlschool, and too many of them are given this distinction (whether on Wiki or elsewhere). 
Enough of this already. And for the record, men in rock are more than just "sexist barriers" to women, they are also stylistic innovators/trailblazers of just about every style women play in. 66.66.118.16 (talk) 08:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that to write a good article on Wikipedia means to follow the sources. In writing the Legacy section that you find so offensive, I followed what many journalists and interviewers had already written on the subject. I don't think the article is too slanted towards a politically correct position or a feminist position; it is the general opinion of the sources that I found which can appear somewhat slanted and contradictory. To show all the different opinions on the subject is the right way to write articles such as this. Girlschool's legacy is quite small and apparently not very significant, but I think that a band with such a long career deserved a section about it, but if other contributors have sourced material to enrich that section, just do it! And if you don't agree with the machismo of the 80s British metal scene, please read what the authors of these books have to say on the matter:
*Ian Christie – Sound of the Beast – The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Metal – Harper Collins (2004) - 
*Malc Macmillan – The N.W.O.B.H.M. Encyclopedia – Iron Pages Books (2012) – 
*John Tucker  – Suzie Smiled... The New Wave of British Heavy Metal – Independent Music Press (2006) – 
*Gerd Bayer et al.  – Heavy Metal Music in Britain – Ashgate Publishing (2009) – 
Lewismaster (talk) 20:26, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politically Correct, Feminist narrative ruins article 

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message: Hi @User:Lewismaster,
A "fanzine" can be printed, and indeed predates the internet in areas such as science fiction and the diplomacy board game; the fact that Metal Maidens was printed doesn't preclude it from being so. Meanwhile, if you look at the "about us" and "contact" pages on that website, you will see that it is not a professional operation, instead being run by a husband and wife team, with half a dozen occasional guest contributors.
In other words, it is a self-published magazine, both during its offline days and today, and as such cannot be used as source, for this article or otherwise. As such, I've reverted your revert - if you do revert again, please discuss here why you believe it does not fall under WP:SELFPUBLISHED.
BilledMammal (talk) 13:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are sure that during their printing run (since 2005) there was no editorial control, I have no complaint about ereasing the reference. The current website reprints much of the magazine content in a very unprofessional setup and the van Poortens do not appear to be professional journalists, unlike some of their collaborators. However, I don't have a copy of the actual magazine to evaluate. The cover style and price (see ) are not much different from the first runs of magazines like Metal Forces and Rock Hard, but I cannot see any detail about the publisher and the periodicity of the issues. What can I say? I have doubts about the nature of the publication (magazine or fanzine?), but I have no proof that it is not self-published. Lewismaster (talk) 15:47, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Maidens