Talk:List of ship names of the Royal Navy

message: Anyone: Serpent (disambiguation) has a reference to HMS Serpent, which I don't see on this list. Real ship? Should it be on this list?  Thanks. Elf | Talk 19:31, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This list is still incomplete (so I'm lazy; so sue me :-) ). Colledge shows 12 Serpents, first one from 1562, latest one a 1920s destroyer. Stan 20:29, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Another problem with the page is that it is beginning to get the point where it is so big that splitting it into multiple pages is a real possibility. There are still an awful lot of names to add! The same is true of the equivalent USN page. David Newton 14:25, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I continue to waffle about what to do... A single list has the nice property that "related changes" makes a spiffy ship-only watchlist. The next round of major editing ought to result in a complete list, so it ought to be decided. Stan 15:08, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[HMS Serpent]] 

message: This is a list of letters of the alphabet that have been completed in the list from the source book Ships of the Royal Navy by J. J. Colledge. It is an aide memoire to keep track of what needs to be done to the rest of the page. The following letters have been completed:
* A
* B
* C
* D
* E
* F
* G
* H
* I
* J
* K
* L
* M
* N
* O
* P
* Q
* U
* X
* Y
* Z
David Newton 20:23, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Colledge is quite a resource, eh? BTW, one thing I've been doing is adding counts for names with multiple vessels, so that the popular names stand out a bit more. Stan 01:23, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of completed letters in Colledge 

message: I much preferred the bulleted list; they all seem to merge into one otherwise and it's difficult to pick individual names out.  I hate to think what it's like if you have dyslexia.  It should be fairly easy to fix back by running it through Word and replacing some characters with others.  Any thoughts? Dunc|☺ 00:17, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It is worse from a aesthetic POV to use the alternative format. Speaking personally as someone who is dyslexic, I don't find any difficulty difference in reading the two formats, besides the issues a non-dyslexic would have. However, my dyslexia doesn't badly affect my reading. David Newton 23:13, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  new format is horrible 

message: There are a lot of names there.  It needs a lot of fiddling with.  Some American has put in redirects from e.g. HMS Montgomery to the US destroyer dictioanary page without realising that there might be more than one of them. Dunc|☺ 13:52, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  tidy [[Destroyers for Bases Agreement]] 

message: Would it be worth listing all ships, following a format similar to the one at List of ships of the United States Navy? This would result in entries like
* Valiant (1759, 1807, 1825, 1863, 1914, S102)
* Vanguard (1586, 1631, 1678, 1748, 1787, 1835, 1869, 1909, 1944, S28)
* Victory (1569, 1620, 1737, 1764, 1765)
Would this be useful? It would provide a nice target for "Related changes". But on the other hand it might be a nightmare to maintain. Comments, please. Gdr 03:14, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)
:It is a reasonable idea. However, I'm going to try and complete the list as a whole before even attempting to do that! David Newton 13:20, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  List all ships? 

message: While adding to the list I noticed some names in this article that are missing in Colledge. Names marked "yes" I left in the list; names marked "no" I removed.
* Cambridgeshire — yes, a WW2 anti-submarine trawler, pennant FY142
* Carnarvon Castle — yes, a WW2 armed merchant cruiser, pennant F25
* Chakdina — no, this is probably SS Chakdina, a freighter sunk off Tobruk in 1942 carrying wounded and POWs
* Chantala — no, a merchant vessel
* Cherwell — yes, a WW1 minesweeping trawler, pennant T03. Some sources give Cherwell as the name of the 1903 River class destroyer that Colledge names Charwell.
* Cheshire — yes, a WW2 armed merchant cruiser, pennant F18
* Crested Eagle — no, this is probably the paddle steamer Crested Eagle of the General Steam Navigation Company.
* Erinpura — no, an uncommissioned troop transport 
* Fiona — yes, a WW2 armed boarding ship
* Fitzgerald — no; perhaps SS Edmund Fitzgerald is meant?
* Glenearn, Glenroy, Glengyle — yes, WW2 troop landing or fast supply ships (but were they commissioned?)
* Grebe — no, a shore station at Dekheila, Egypt
* Gypsy — yes, Colledge gives only Gipsy but many sources give this spelling
* Largs — yes, WW2 Ocean Boarding Vessel, later Landing Ship Headquarters
* Li Wo — yes, WW2 auxiliary patrol vessel
* Lord Nuffield — yes, WW2 ASW trawler, pennant FY221
* Palomares — yes, WW2 AA auxiliary vessel
* Paramatta — no evidence of a ship of this name
* Pentstemon — no, mispelling of Penstemon
* Petrel — yes, WW2 tug
* Pozarica — yes, WW2 AA auxiliary vessel
* Prince Charles — yes, WW2 landing ship
* Prince Leopold — yes, WW2 landing ship
* Prinses Astrid — yes, WW2 landing ship
* Prinses Beatrix — yes, WW2 troopship
I note that Colledge doesn't list trawlers and merchant cruisers. Should we? Gdr 20:57, 2005 Jan 4 (UTC)
:There were actually two volumes of Colledge when it was originally published. The book that was reissued and updated recently just covers the ships of the first volume. Things like trawlers are covered in the second volume. My point of view is that if the vessel was a commissioned warship in the Royal Navy then we should include the name. If not, then we should include it where appropriate, like in the RFA list (which should in itself be complete BTW), or even in potential future lists of Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service and/or Merchant Fleet Auxiliary ships. David Newton 00:49, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ships not in Colledge 

message: From wikien-l today, a rather clever little hack that's useful for lists:
 This code has worked quite well so far, so I'd like to
 promote its further use on any page with excessive
 verticality.
  

  COLUMN 1	
  COLUMN 2

Thoughts on putting it into practice here? I can't see a major downside, since the names we have here are pretty short compared to pagewidths and (as yet) we haven't added anything after them. Shimgray | talk | 13:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This kind of thing adds work for editors. When you add entries you have to rebalance the columns. Gdr 22:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

text: What's the problem you're trying to solve? It's quite useful to have the list in one page so that you can search it, or use Special:Recentchangeslinked/List of Royal Navy ship names. Gdr 17:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible new format 

message: I would have placed this overleaf, but it's not titled/classed in the same way, so am posting it here for someone else to put in the appropriate place; it's all vessels during the RN presence (or almost all) in the Pacific Northwest/North Pacific in the years before the RN's Esquimalt base on Vancouver Island was handed over to what is now the Canadian Forces (was Royal Canadian Navy before forces merger).  As far as installations, there were also an RN drydock and RN Hospital at Esquimalt, and I think Nanoose Bay had been an RN base, and Nanaimo and Fort Rupert had been coaling stations (they'll have articles, I'm just wondering if they should be on the "installations" list). There may have been RN stations on the BC mainland, too, but as yet I'm unaware of them except as legal obscurities; mostly military reserves under the governance of the RN, but no "installation" of the order of the drydock and hospital at Esquimalt.Skookum1 00:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was merge all into this one.--Jorfer 19:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Royal Navy ships in the Pacific Northwest]]

message: I say we merge all the individual lists into this one.--Jorfer 03:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I am not sure how this page is different from the various lists of Royal Navy ships split up by letter, such as List of Royal Navy ships, J.  It seems to me that one of these lists should be gotten rid of; is there something I have missed? I'm new to this page, so I have no idea, but having two separate lists struck me as odd. Hilosoph (Talk) 23:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this page redundant? 

message: Someone has tagged HMS Batman, perhaps a bit sceptical that such a ship ever existed.  Colledge makes it clear though - an iron screw gunboat launched in 1883 and still on the Navy lists in 1895.  I'll remove the tag. Benea 20:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HMS Batman 

message: I hope I have solved some formatting concerns, as I added columns, comments, sorted entry names, reformatted the "P" section. If anyone has a desire to add more ships, it would be nice to post them on my talk page, since I created a massive spreadsheet with the entries so I could add evenly divided columns.
--SpellingGuru (talk) 11:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive overhaul 

message: Following my experiences in navigating and editing this article, I have taken the example of List of aircraft to start the subdivision of the article. Hence A is now at List of ship names of the Royal Navy (A) GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size of article 

message: As you can see the one exists, others don't.  I'd start the one for the Pacific Squadron vessel active out of Esquimalt in the 1850s and '60s but don't know its date of building; if there's no prior instance of the name I guess it doesn't need a date-disambig.  Please advise; see User talk:pfly#HMS Sutlej or User talk:Skookum1#Sutlej for more info/discussion.  Thanks.Skookum1 (talk) 20:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a disambiguation page at HMS Sutlej, and the ship you are thinking of is at HMS Sutlej (1855).  Even if a ship is the first to bear that name, it would still need to be disambiguated by a launch date or a pennant number, as the ship list page for that name would be at the undisambiguated ship name. Benea (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[HMS Sutlej]] and [[HMS Sutlej (1899)]]

message: Your list of names for the British Royal Navy is awesome.  I do not want to mess with it before asking for very specific instructions.  The names I am wanting to add fall in 2 categories. The first 2 ships cannot be found on either this list or on the separate "Armed boarding steamer" article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_boarding_steamer#Vessels
HMS City of London: armed merchant cruiser (hired), 8,917t, 1907(b), 8-6in, 15kts. Returned to civilian service 7/19; logs availible at OldWeather.org:  http://www.oldweather.org/vessels/4caf855dcadfd3419700e743
HMS Orama:  armed merchant cruiser (hired), 12,927grt, 1911(b), 8-6in, 18kts. Sunk by U.62 south of Ireland, 19/10/17; logs availible at OldWeather.org:  http://www.oldweather.org/vessels/4caf8913cadfd34197024505
The second category I'm questioning is the 20-odd names in the article "Armed boarding steamer" article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_boarding_steamer#Vessels which are not included on this universal list for the RN.  They include 2 of the OW ships we are transcribing.  They are
HMS Lunka	http://www.oldweather.org/vessels/4caf87f3cadfd3419701d6ac
HMS Suva	http://www.oldweather.org/vessels/4caf8b00cadfd3419702ef35
HMS Alouette
HMS Anglia
HMS Caesarea
HMS City of Belfast
HMS Duchess of Devonshire
HMS Duke of Clarence
HMS Duke of Cornwall
HMS Fauvette
HMS Grangemouth
HMS Grive
HMS Hazel
HMS Heroic
HMS King Orry
HMS Lama
HMS Peel Castle
HMS Prince Abbas
HMS Richald Welford
HMS Rowan
HMS Royal Scot
HMS Sarnia
HMS Scotia
HMS Stephen Furness
HMS The Ramsey
HMS Tihonus
HMS Woodnut
Thank you for your attention. Janet Jaguar (talk) 06:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  adding ship names 

message: Some conflicts in WP regarding this vessel. Can anyone advise the correct name, with source? Thanks. Benyoch (talk) 02:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  HMS Mount Edgcumbe or HMS Mount Edgcombe - or some other?