Talk:Zouk

message: The problem is that the zouk commonly spoken of today, is the zouk-love also known as the French Antilles compas music. Zouk béton is the genre that lost its ground and I believe that it should have its own page. Zouk-love should have the zouk page with zouk-love redirecting itself to zouk. Also, if there are going to be two pages, there is no reason why zouk must have excessive details of zouk-love and compas music. This is why it would make more sense to have zouk and zouk-love combined. That way the article of zouk can describe the béton and the love forms all on one page. There can be a redirect from zouk-love to zouk. It can mention that it stopped the upbeat tempo and the zouk commonly known today is the zouk-love. To have two separate pages with basically the same information is like having cadence rampa and kadans separate when kadans is just the creole way of spelling cadence. Those pages were identical. Savvyjack23 (talk) 16:34, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternatively, why not write a comprehensive <<zouk>> article that explains the various sub-genres, including how they diverged and how/when they gained/lost popularity?  (I myself cannot write it, because I'm only familiar with the 1980s <<zouk>> popularized by the band Kassav', and even that I did not find very interesting listening.) Acwilson9 (talk) 22:55, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Problem and why to merge? 

message: This article needs some work -- the grammar's a mess, it doesn't always follow a coherent line of thought, and people keep adding their favorite zouk artists to the main text. --Jay (Histrion) (talk • contribs) 19:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wanted to do a translation from the French page... It's actually weaker in most areas. Naniwako 00:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still not well written. Acwilson9 (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs work

message: Please keep dancing style topics seperate from music style topics. The main topic of this article is about the music style Zouk and the dancing styles are in the dancing section and should stay there. Also I think Vegetable Basket needs it's own Wikipedia page.
This is why I separated the Zouk-Lambada dancing style and gave it a seperate page. It is a bigger topic than the Zouk music style.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caco de vidro (talk • contribs) 21:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zouk music style vs zouk dancing styles 

message: Zouk music was also popular in French Polynesia when I was there some 10 years ago.  Perhaps this should be mentioned in the article?  The Jade Knight (talk) 04:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Polynesia 

message: Are there different versions of Zouk? I know there are numerous styles, but is there a Caribbean version versus say, a Euro version? I'm only familiar with the Zouk that I've heard from Africans. And, when you write "Afro-Zouk", what do you mean? Does that limit it to francophone countries (like Burkina Faso)?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajpaj (talk • contribs) 17:11, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As one can read in the Soukous article, in the 1980s a lot of the same Paris-based studio musicians (from French Antilles [West Indies], Zaire [now DRCongo], central Africa, etc.) played on many of the popular zouk AND soukous recordings, causing some stylistic overlap.  (I'd add citations to both articles, but my books on the topic are buried somewhere in boxes in my home...maybe next year.) Acwilson9 (talk) 22:21, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zouk versions 

message: Please do not write aberrations. Was African styles that influenced the creation of Zouk, and not vice versa. Besides all the styles shown, as supposedly having origin or influenced by Zouk (which I obviously deleted), are styles that have existed long before the Americas had been discovered. 
And please don't confuse Zouk with Kizomba, the styles are similar but they are not the same.
And the rare bird who wrote that Kuduro was influenced by Zouk-love has never heard kuduro in his life. lol Zorglub-PRV (talk) 18:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Zouk vs Africa

message: I would like to add a disambiguation line since the article "Zouk (club)" exists
gssq (talk) 19:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: . JohnCD (talk) 14:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 17 January 2013 

message: This editor loves to delete good referenced text, who do not comply with what he says, for unreferenced text he claims (without evidence) to be the truth. I strongly advise that some editor more active than I, check all is edits and put in order blocking him if necessary. In the past I had several problems with him, and it seems that he returned to the attack. Zorglub (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect deletions by editor Pintade 

message: I propose merging Zouk-love into the article Zouk. The Zouk-love article admits that it is the same as zouk and it seems like the articles discuss the same history. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:27, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We do have this opinion but not much more. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:39, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Adding to this removal, first the YouTube video does nothing to confirm that statement. Second, Charles De Ledesma looks to be a lecturer at the University of East London in Arts and Digital Industries and I have no idea how that would relate to musicology. The only book of his at Amazon is related to Malaysia and there's no evidence. Gene Scaramuzzo does look to be a writer for AllMusic but that's not a source for that point. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authorship of [[Charles De Ledesma]] and [[Gene Scaramuzzo]] 

message: I have removed the following line from the intro: "Actually, zouk is the French Antilles compas music, also called zouk-love." The source cited is: Peter Manuel, Musics of the Non-Western World, Chicago press University 1988p74
First off, I think it's a really bad idea to let a dispute between editors spill over into the actual article, as is evidently the case here. You should never have a wiki article with a line that basically says, "Actually, what you just read isn't true".
More importantly, the line I have removed distorts its source, Peter Manuel's Popular Musics of the Non-Western World. On page 74, the page cited in the article, Manuel says the following: "Compas enjoys great popularity in Martinique and Guadeloupe. More closely associated with these islands, however, is zouk, a similar genre which reflects a closer orientation towards disco." Notice how he's saying that zouk and compas are similar. He's not saying there are one and the same thing, which is what the line I've removed from this article suggested. He even points out how they differ, with zouk bearing a closer affinity to disco. Now, Manuel does go on to stress the influence that compas and zouk have had on each other, and that the Martiniquan "idiom" of zouk is almost indistinguishable from compas, but again, that's not saying they're the same thing. To suggest that Manuel is saying that zouk is just another name for compas is to distort his writing. Tigercompanion25 (talk) 23:48, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I should clarify that when Manuel refers to the Martiniquan idiom being virtually indistinguishable from compas, the idiom he is referring to is biguine music specifically, not zouk in general. Tigercompanion25 (talk) 23:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distorting a source in the zouk-compas debate. 

message: I have requested comment about the imposition of original research on this page (eg here) at the No original research noticeboard (WP:NORN). 31.49.14.137 (talk) 09:39, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: Per Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Determining_a_primary_topic, this article (about a Caribbean beat) is the primary topic.  The purpose of the  template is to guide readers to secondary topics that are strongly associated with the article title.  A Google search indicates that "zouk" referring to a dance is a popular search result.  Regardless of whether someone thinks that is "correct" is besides the point. The fact is "zouk" is used to refer to more than one thing in common usage. It's not Wikipedia's job to decide what is more "correct." OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:14, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Zouk-lambada disambiguation