Talk:Noir (TV series)

message: I added to the character profiles the Japanese and English voice actors for the four main characters, since I noticed that information was missing. And at the request of someone on a Noir forum I also put an episode list; though some of the episode translations vary between the ADV versions and others, so I tried a happy medium on the more difficult ones. Feel free to edit them as necessary. --Katsuhagi 23:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you use  instead of ? ^^ --Koveras ☭ 15:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: There are a few places where you have a character highlighted to go somewhere, but it only goes to the top of the page.  This is very incomplete, either give a description or remove the highlighted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.161.178 (talk) 06:32, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice Actors and Episode List 

message: Just curious, what was the reason for the last edit (chloe.taikoubou.net -> www.taikoubou.net/chloe)? As far as I can tell, they’re the same site. —Frungi 02:59, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They are the same site, on the same server. I guess reasoning behind the edit must have been something like this: "chloe. ... .net" is an alias for the actual location "www. ... /chloe". If the actual site disappears nothing can be done anyway, but if the alias disappears then we are referring to the actual location and therefore we don't have a problem. Disclaimer: I am not psychic. Shinobu 04:28, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: External link edit?

message: Mirielle is FRENCH. The last time I checked, Corsica still was part of France. They may have their own language and culture separate from most of France, but so do the people of Alsace-Lorraine, Britanny, and Provence. That's like saying Quebecois aren't Canadians or Hawaiians aren't American becuause they have a distinct language and culture that is different from their mother countries.
:I made a change. Does it read better now? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 08:50, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
::Uh...actually, the story goes out of its way to say that Mireille is specifically Corsican (as opposed to being from Brittany or Anjou or whatever).  I don't see what the big deal is: if someone is from Sicily, we understand that, by extension, they are also Italian, but saying that you are from Sicily contains extended connotations (e.g., La Cosa Nostra).  Similarly, when I say I'm a Texan, that means that I'm also, technically American, but saying I'm from Texas often has additional connotations.  RADICALBENDER★ 13:50, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Corsican vs. French

message: The title of this show in the English language release is Noir, not NOIR.  We try not to get involved in the weird, nonsensical casing that the Japanese are fond of and use the English language titles for the titles of these articles when they become licensed (when not yet licensed, we use the Japanese name, like Maria-sama ga Miteru or Kimi ga Nozomu Eien - when they're licensed and retitled, they'll be moved).
This is why the article for Kare Kano is officially at His and Her Circumstances and Tsubasa: RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE is at Tsubasa.
RADICALBENDER★ 12:59, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: But since the anime is made in Japan, then the English title given to it when it is licensed, is usually irrelevant. Rurouni Kenshin is a title much more fitting compared to Samurai X, does it not? User:68.238.76.43 15:26, 21 Mar 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally don't favour the all-caps title. There are lots of movies that use all-caps titles as a style element, but as far as I'm concerned that doesn't mean we have to follow suit. Regarding "RESERVoir CRoNiCLE" and the like: even more so. Anyway, we have Wikipedia:Manual of Style (ALL CAPS), so we'll stick with "Noir", thank you very much. Shinobu 21:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Note: Tsubasa was moved @22-12-2005: ; RadicalBender has quit @09-03-2006. *insert melancholic remark here* Shinobu 13:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title of this show

message: I've based it on Kirika's version, assuming it's something like:
:Noir... so[re?]-wa inish[i]e-yori-no sadame-no na
:sh[i-w]o ts[u]kasadoru f[u]tari-no otome
:k[u]ro(k)1i o(~?)te-wa midorigo-no(?)
:yaseraka-nar[u-w]o mamori-tamou
#If I imagined this k then it's a simple -i adjective, which would make sense. Couldn't find kuroki in the dictionary.
I hope that corresponds to this in kanji/kana:
:ノワール... そは古よりの定めの名
:死を司る二人の乙女
:黒き御手は嬰児の
:安らかなるを守り給う
Which would be something like:
:Noir... it(nom.) antiquity-since(gen.) destiny(gen.) name
:death(acc.) govern pair/two_people(gen.) virgin
:black(adi.) (hon.)hand(nom.) infant(gen.)
:peaceful-become[?](acc.) protection-grant
I have translated "two virgins" instead of *"virgins of a pair". I assumed 名 to be the predicate of そ and 乙女 to be subject.
Various other synonyms could be used as well. Or a more verbose version
:Noir... it's the name of destiny/fate since a distant past (more in line with the French version)
:The two virgins (in the article a "who" is present, but maybe I should've left it out) govern death
:The black hands grant protection to the peace of the infants/new-borns/...
The French version (from the manuscript):
:Noir... ce mot désigne depuis une époque lointaine le nom du destin
:les deux vierges règnent sur la mort
:Les mains noires protègent la paix des nouveaux-nes
:The text goes on, but Kirika doesn't read the rest in the intro.
I've put les bold, because it would indicate that the poem should perhaps read the two virgins etc.
The folium that is shot to pieces in the intro shows a different wording however. I've indented the poem because that looks better; feel free to improve upon the translation or just post your suggestions on this talk page. Shinobu 14:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poem 

message: i have a fasinaton for the pome but i cant seem to find the full vershon enywher can u help me people this is a wonderfull   pome and i would like it  if i could find or have one to copy i know i proble sond hopeless but pleas do help
:According to the series, the poem originally was presumably in Old French or even Latin. Someone translated it to French (Langonel's Manuscript), the text is visible in the series. The Japanese translations are a concession to the Japanese audience; most of them presumably don't speak French. I haven't been able to find a full Japanese kanji+kana version anywhere. I also haven't looked into Chloe's and Mireille's versions. Shinobu 19:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  pome 

message: This series has the aspect of a Danse Macabre--that's what I always think when I hear salva nos and the bodies start falling.  I'm not sure it's appropriate to mention this very personal opinion; on the other hand, it might be the intention of the creator in the first place... Demia 10:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My personal opinion is that an encyclopaedia should document rather than interpret. I think even the Foucault's Pendulum reference shouldn't be there really. Not only because the two works only seem to have a shared premise, but because unless the artists themselves explicitly state that there is a connection we shouldn't assume it's there. I think its against our policy on original research. In any case, I think there is even more symbolic in the music-underlain gunfights than just the Danse Macabre, but it would be original research so it doesn't belog here. Shinobu 16:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Danse Macabre

message: I know the version with to u's scrolls by, but in Wikipedia we usually use revised Hepburn: ū. What should we do? Shinobu 10:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yūmura is the one that should be used, according to WP:MOS-JA. --日本穣 01:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're wrong, WP:MOS-JA says: Names should be romanized according to common usage, which includes unconventional romanizations by licensees (e.g., Devil Hunter Yohko and Tenjho Tenge). Kirika is listed in the official English website as "Yuumura", therefore it has to be romanized as such in this article.Kazu-kun 04:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yuumura or Yūmura? 

message: PS: I'm french and very bad in english, please excuse me. (to be very bad in english, not to be french)
1- the name of the OST is 「blanc dans NOIR ～黒の中の白～」(see: http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/m-serve/tv/noir/music.html)
in romaji: 「blanc dans NOIR ～kuro no naka no shiro～」(the two means "white in black", the first in french, the second in japanese)
2- does "Em More" mean anything in english? (I've already said that I'm very bad in english, so I really don't know) Because the good transcription of "エム・モア" (the japanese title) should be "Emu moa" which has exactly the same prononciation that "Aime-moi" in french, which means "love me". Frantz lec 01:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought it was "aime-moi". Shinobu 12:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OST 3 / Aime-moi

message: I don't think this stuff is relevant enough for the article, i think it makes an unnecesary visual mess out of the article, i'd move them to individual articles at least.
:Episode list is fine as long as we don't add episode summaries and screen caps for every episode. OST list is definetly needed since the music is really important in a series as complex as Noir. Also I'm looking at the article rightnow and I don't think it's messed up at all. Kazu-kun 20:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Soundtrack and Episode List?? 

message: About it, I put Noir in the :Category:Rape anime and manga because one of the characters suffers a rape in the story. 
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Animefanatico (talk • contribs) 
:Is that what the category is about? It seems as a hentai category, altough Elfen Lied stands out. -- Kl4m Talk Contrib 02:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't get what this cat is all about but by the looks of it, it's for anime that contain rape as a central plot element, not a single character who got raped offscreen in a flashback in a single episode. I support Kl4m on the issue. --Koveras ☭ 05:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Noir is not a rape anime. Rape anime and manga are a specific genre that deals heavily in rape, S&M sex and other like topics. Having a character get raped in the course of a drama does not make a show or movie "rape anime." Rape anime is literally about rape. Typically the plot of such shows involves a rapist, often in the role of hero. See Rapeman. It's a manga that, if not for the fact that it's more a dark comedy than hentai, would be rape manga. ask123 (talk) 20:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rape

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Noir poster.jpg

message: I don't know if anyone is still watching this page but I'll ask anyway, would images from the cover of the OST booklets (I don't know how else to describe them... it's what you see when you look at the CD case) be useful for the OST section? I have the American release of OST 1 & 2 and the Japanese version of Blanc dans Noir (if that matters). I ask because I wasn’t sure if they would take up to much space/be unnecessary. --Tyrfing (talk) 21:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  OST Images 

message: I've deleted some stuff for the following reasons. An intellectual product like an anime draws no inspiration or influence from anything unless the creator says so, if they did say it, get the sources, thats why theres rules about using sources, so opionated people don't make claims that might be logical or probable but have no real proof. Amnesia is a common part of the plot in alot of work, picking one specific novel such as the Bourne Identity just shows that whoever wrote this bit watches too many spy and hitman movies. Again, just because something looks like its inspired from something else, doesn't make it so, without proof you are making it up and supposing it real. They may have been inspired by Luc and Chow, or they may of been inspired by the things that inspired them, or they may of made the idea independtly, obviously not impossible, the "inspiration" did it, why can't others.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 09:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: * Noir at EX anime
* Noir at THEM anime
These two links were placed in the external links section. They are not suitable as external links, but may be useful to expand the reception section. For that reason, I'm parking them here instead of simply removing them. Goodraise 06:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews to be summarized 

message: *Moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Noir (anime) episode list merger. Goodraise 04:21, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really sure what was up with that. I wouldn't expect Goodraise to do that so I guess we'll have to wait and here.陣内Jinnai 04:30, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes, I was being bold. Though I'm not sure how that would matter. As for reasons, you seem to have things backwards: Articles have to justify their existence. If they can't, they are merged or deleted. Here we have two articles with virtually the same topic, which, if merged, would not result in an excessively long page. If you see "any real reason" to keep them separate, I'd be delighted to hear it. Goodraise 04:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The episode article is well sourced as for the character page after seeing it in it's former form I agree that it was a good merge but the list of episodes I just did not understand, the outcome of the merge slams the list of the episodes and the DVD releases right into the articloe and if there is double info then that should be moved to it's proper place. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware of how well the list is sourced. After all, I added most (if not all) of the sources myself. But what does that matter? The presence of sources in general has (to the best of my knowledge) never been justification for a page's existence. And the sources present are not sufficient to satisfy the GNG.From your wording ("slams"), I gather that you have some issue with the lists of episodes and releases being part of this article, but I can't really tell what that issue is. Would you care to clarify?There is duplicate information between the articles, but not more than there should be per WP:SS. Not sure what you're getting at here. Goodraise 12:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: The episode list seems like an adequately sourced and valid spinoff, of a length that is better served in its own article.  I feel that splitting off these kinds of lists encourages more space in the article which can be filled with reception or something like it.  --Malkinann (talk) 06:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Addressing your links/points in order: The sources are irrelevant, as I pointed out above. Making the word valid part of the link may serve your case, but it misrepresents WP:SS, which does not provide a way to determine which spin-offs should be considered valid, leaving the question as to how you came to that conclusion. WP:SIZE is an editing guideline (as opposed to a content or style guideline), which "contains an overview on issues related to article size". So, if you're trying to make a point with this link, it escapes me. And what did you link WP:SALAT for? SALAT is a section of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (stand-alone lists), arguing that we should limit the number of lists. You'll have to explain that to me.The only thing in your reply (as far as I can tell) that could be considered an argument for leaving the list separate is (assuming I understood you correctly) your feeling that shorter articles encourage the addition of content. If you'll allow, I'll respond to that with a feeling of my own: That is only true for low hanging content, such as plot and trivia. Editors who are committed enough to be willing to do actual research, such as locating and reading reviews, will not be stopped from adding that kind of content by such a trivial obstacle as an elevated article size. Goodraise 12:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Sources do matter - episode lists are considered to be valid spinoff articles, as they provide the medium-level of detail when a micro-level of detail (individual episodes) cannot be supported by sources.  SIZE recommends that articles be kept close to 32 KB in length - very long articles are difficult to load and read.  Just because it's an editing guideline doesn't make its point less true.  SALAT encourages lists to a point - I feel that a list of episodes is a valid one, as it provides another level of detail for the reader.  I feel that shorter articles and the use of daughter articles encourages the addition of content as a whole - not only "low-hanging" content, but any content.  It provides space for people to see that 'hey, there's a whole episode list here, but there's not much of anything else'.  WP:SIZE explains how an elevated article size can impact on an article, including exactly the issue I've just outlined - that a large article attracts less new content.  --Malkinann (talk) 19:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the episode list be merged in? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In a 2019 blog post, Ryoue Tsukimura (the lead writer of Noir) confirmed that the relationship between Mireille and Kirika was romantic in nature. They are referred to as "soulmates" here: https://ryoue.hatenablog.com/entry/2019/06/20/232543
While the romantic relationship between Mireille and Kirika is left ambiguous in the series, there is a precedent for listing series as being LGBT-related when confirmed by creators after the fact; The Legend of Korra, another animated series, is in the same boat. Given the source in question, would Noir then be defined as a yuri and/or LGBT-related series? Nomimarks (talk) 17:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yuri after the fact? 

message: Please note that once Draft:Noir (upcoming TV series) is moved to the mainspace, this article's title will require further disambiguation, at which point it would be moved to Noir (2001 TV series) given there is no primary topic here. While something like Noir (anime series) could be a viable redirect, the year would be most applicable for further disambiguation per WP:TVYEAR. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title