Talk:Our Gang

message: I think there should be a section regarding imposters or people who claimed they were in the comedies. There were several well noted ones including a man pretending to be Stymie  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.53.169.182 (talk) 06:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Imposters

message: I'll be doing a somewhat major overhaul of this page, to give it more structure and to give the earlier version of the gang their due.
: Well, now I'm done. --b. Touch 03:49, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul 

message: Good article-could use a bit of a link cleanup.  Quill 22:25, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting and thoughtful 

message: The following section needs to be removed: 
:In later years, a large number of adults falsely claimed to have been members of the popular group. A long list of people, including persons famous in other capacities such as Nanette Fabray  , Tony Dow's mother Muriel Montrose , Gloria Winters , and Jimmy Weldon  have had biographical write-ups that falsely claimed that they were Our Gang kids. Eddie Bracken's official biography was once altered to state that he appeared in Our Gang instead of The Kiddie Troupers, although he himself had no knowledge of the change. The obituaries of some of these people, such as Lucille Brown  and Sara Jane Roberts , stated falsely that they were in the series. Ms. Brown's obituary claimed that she had played Farina, who was actually played by Allen Hoskins, a male.
These websites are really not notable enough, and we most definitely don't refer to old copies of our pages... well, there was one article (can't remember which one), but it was an exception to the rule. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:51, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can revise it slightly, and use references from the Maltin-Bann book. --FuriousFreddy 14:34, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

text: is not a sentence. (I would fix it, but I don't know what it' supposed to say.) Revolver 01:34, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The other half of that sentence must have gotten lost in the editing process. I fixed it it reads: A long list of people, including persons famous in other capacities such as Nanette Fabray and Eddie Bracken, have all claimed to be or have been publically stated as being former Our Gang kids  (Maltin & Bann 241-242). --FuriousFreddy 02:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entire bit needs to be removed, IMO. 

message: The copy under the poster for this title says it was not included King World's "Little Rascals" TV syndication of the shorts.  Not true; I saw it many times in the 1950s along with the others.  We were always running around going "Yum, yum, eat 'em up", like the "Wild Man" in the story does.  This needs to be fixed; also, all titles listed need to be wikified. - J.V. Cremonum
:I can confirm this, since I also recall seeing this episode on television in the 1960s.  Even if the details are now fuzzy -- I would have been about 5 years old -- the "eat 'em up" line is unforgettable. Csernica 02:51, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I revised the caption. I read, in the Maltin/Bann book, a list of films King World deleted from the package, and Kid From Borneo is on it. I don't have an exact date for when the banning was actually done, however. Before 1964, other distributors, including Monogram Pictures, broadcast Little Rascals films. King World only started syndicating the films in 1964. --FuriousFreddy 04:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify: I saw it in the late 1960s, definitely not earlier than 1966 and possibly later.  To be fair, I don't recall seeing it more than once or twice, and never in the 1970s.  Perhaps King World yanked it from the package only after a couple of years. Csernica 20:53, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. Perhaps. I don't have an exact date, so, y'never know. Still a great short, though ("Uhn-UH, brutha--I don't want no wild mans nibblin' on me!") --FuriousFreddy 21:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: As far as wikifying all the titles listed, I have to disagree. It would result in a plethora of redlinks unless someone were to make articles for all of them. That being said, not all of the films are notable enough for their own articles, so I think it best (in the interest of visual appeal) to leave each unlinked unless (or until) ana article is written, which is generally what has been done. --FuriousFreddy 21:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Kid from Borneo

message: "...in contrast to a number of previous, contemporary, and future child actors"  How can they be compared to future child actors? --Andy M. 06:33, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that depends on the context; future as it relates to the time of filming (ie, the 30s) or future measured from now?  I read it as referring to child actors of the 40s and onward...  -- Xinit 07:08, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Actors (or any other sorts of entertainers) of any one period can be compared to those of another...or at l;east that's what Leonard Maltin says (he spends a substantial amount of time in the Our gang book downing modern-day child actors and comparing them to the kids in this series (lemme footnote that, btw). --FuriousFreddy 14:04, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Future child actors

message: This may be splitting hairs, but here goes.  In film and television production the term "post-production" is used for the editing process.  When we (I'm a TV editor) say a project is in "post-production" we mean it has been shot, but is in the process of editing (or music scoring etc.).  So, if someone agrees and can think of a more appropriate heading, that would be nice, but  maybe my use of industry-jargon is too much?  Just a thought...
Tony 20:44, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just "post-history", perhaps? --FuriousFreddy 21:24, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-production history 

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message: The image of the early "Our Gang" cast members that's currently up there is very blurry and low-resolution, so I thought I'd try to find a better one.  I found this one, from 1922, but one of the cast members seems to be different than in the 1923 picture - there's a "Jay R. Smith" instead of a "Jack Davis".  What's odd is that according to the wikipedia article, Jay Smith didn't start appearing in the shorts until 1925.  So is the website wrong, or is wikipedia wrong?
Anyway, I was wondering if anyone thinks that the image could be put to some use within the article. Esn 09:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The website is wrong. Jay R. Smith joined the gang quite some time after Ernie Morrison left, and I'm pretty sure that is Andy Samuel in that picture and not Jay R. Smith. It was also probably taken sometime in late 1923, not 1922, based upon Farina's evident age in the picture. --FuriousFreddy 04:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New 1922 (?) image

message: At two places in one paragraph, an overzealous bot "corrected"
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I'm pleased to see superfluous apostrophes removed from plurals, but here the "'s" is possessive.  To correct the matter and remove temptation, I changed both to
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which I think is better style anyway.  —Tamfang 06:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fun with dates 

message: In the article it says that Bill Cosby never owned the rights to "The Little Rascals".  That may have changed.  I went to the FYE store in Tower City in Cleveland Ohio and the person there said they had to pull all "Little Rascals" DVD's (except for used ones) because Bill Cosby bought the rights and wants them off the market.  I'd like to know if he got all of them or just the Hal Roach talkies.  Johnbasalla 04:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone was pulling your leg. Bill Cosby does not own the rights to a single Our Gang comedy. --FuriousFreddy 02:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bill Cosby

message: There is no such concept as "Post History." Will somebody who knows more about this subject than I please re-divide the History section. I suggest doing it by decades or by other extremely important division points in the History (not "Post History" of these people? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post History 

message: Mad props to the writers of this article for mentioning the fact that the shorts do sometimes indulge in "pickaninny" and other Black stereotypes that we today would find offensive, but for also stating prominantly that many shorts portrayed Blacks and Whites as equals in a way uncomon for the time. I recently rented some Our Gang shorts on VHS...probably hadn't seen them in 30 years or more...and I was amazed at how the Black characters were equal members of the Gang and its adventures...Buckwheat getting a group hug when he won something...a White father hugging Stymie (his son's playmate). Was Roach a progressive? One could argue that he just wanted to appeal to the widest possible audience, but at that time reaching out to one group could easily have driven away another. PurpleChez (talk) 11:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this is an old comment, but I would like to point out that throughout the history of literary and film portrayals of minorities, children (especially boys) have often been treated more "generously" than their adult counterparts.  The reasons for this are not well understood, but it probably relates to the white majority seeing children as less of a threat to the social hierarchy.  My point is that I do not think we can make any conclusions about Roach's motivations.  Since reliable sources like Maltin make conclusions, we certainly should report them in this article but lets be sure to not read things into the serials. Wickedjacob (talk) 21:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: African-American in Our Gang

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:Little rascals ver2.jpg

message: "Dickie Moore, a veteran child actor, joined in the middle of 1932, and remained with the series for one year. Other members during these years included Mary Ann Jackson's brother Dickie Jackson, John "Uh-huh" Collum, and Tommy Bond. Upon Dickie's departure in mid-1933, long-term Our Gang members such as Wheezer (who had been with Our Gang since the late Pathé silents period) and Dorothy left the series as well."
Upon which Dickie's departure? Moore or Jackson? Jackson is most recently mentioned, but the paragraph starts out talking about Moore only being there a year. It should probably be changed to the full name of whichever one it was just to ward off confusion.76.226.121.12 (talk) 06:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. It's Dickie Moore. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 07:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguity needs clearing up, or Too many Dickies 

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thread_title: Discussion pertaining to non-free image(s) used in article

message: Before I make an FAR on this article, I to talk about the problems of this on the talk page. And this article fails Featured article criteria 1c, as some sections (EX: The sound era and The Little Rascals television package) are unreferenced. If anyone is interested in fixing up the article, please let me know if you want to as I will not watchlist this page. GamerPro64 (talk) 23:49, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raising Concerns on this article 

message: Passage from OurGang online - The series, one of the best-known and most successful in cinema history, is noted for showing children behaving in a relatively natural way. While child actors are often groomed to imitate adult acting styles, steal scenes, or deliver "cute" performances, Hal Roach and original director Robert F. McGowan worked to film the unaffected, raw nuances apparent in regular kids. Our Gang also notably put boys, girls, whites, and blacks together in a group as equals, something that "broke new ground," according to film historian Leonard Maltin. Such a thing had never been done before in cinema, but was commonplace after the success of Our Gang.
Passage from lead -  The series is noted for showing children behaving in a relatively natural way. While child actors are often groomed to imitate adult acting styles, steal scenes, or deliver "cute" performances, Hal Roach and original director Robert F. McGowan worked to film the unaffected, raw nuances apparent in regular children. Our Gang also notably put boys, girls, whites and blacks together in a group as equals, something that "broke new ground," according to film historian Leonard Maltin.[1] Such a thing had never been done before in cinema but was commonplace after the success of Our Gang.
Unless of course OurGang online copied wikipedia. Fainites barleyscribs 22:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Our Gang Online copied Wikipedia. I wrote most of that passage. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 06:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: copyvio? plagiarism?

message: I would dispute the opening description of the children as being "poor". The Hoods appeared to be quite middle class by today's standards, and were probably seen as upper middle class by Great Depression era standards. I do not recall seeing home life conditions that would suggest poverty.
The image of poverty may have been reinforced by their activities and the items they constructed for fun. Children's time was much less structured back then, and their free roaming antics can be interpreted differently today. The carts, clubhouses, and assorted items made from cast-off materials were an integral part of their charm, and an expression of innocent resourcefulness. It's possible that someone is looking at it from today's perspective where parents provide much more in pre-made material goods for their children.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlsez (talk • contribs) 20:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Watching the entire balance of the series beyond the Spanky-Alfalfa-Darla era would make the "poor" distinction more apt; the kids were always depicted as "less than", wavering between working class and destitute, until the streamlined one-reel shorts of the late 1930s. Nevertheless, I'll see what I can do. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 18:13, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the "poor" label 

message: Acording to Photoplay magazine of July, 1930, Pete the Pup was murdered by poison.   [see http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=32066318&l=98e76fb117&id=1028006576]
Why no mention of this still-unsolved crime? Is Wikipedia in the pocket of Hollywood? 06:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because we don't discuss the demise of any of the other actors either; there's no room. Pete's murder is described in the Pete the Pup article. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 18:15, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the murder of Petey 

message: I cleaned up some of the overwikifying that was present in much of the first third or so of the article. This sort of thing is always subjective, but if a reader needs help with boy and girl, they really shouldn't be on the Internet.PacificBoy 01:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overwikifying 

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message: I have reverted the recent good faith edits to the infobox not only because they contain gross inaccuracies as regards such things as the films' production companies, but because they are formatted as though the Our Gang films were episodes of a TV series.  They were not.  They were discreet films made for theatrical release.  Each is a separate film no less than the Charlie Chan or Indiana Jones films are.  They were not of uniform length (other than being generally of vaguely similar length), they were certainly not all shot, as described, in the multi-camera format of modern-day sitcoms, and they did not have "episodes" as befits the description of a TV series.  There may be an infobox format for a series of individual films, but the TV series format is not it.  Even without the inaccuracies, formatting a film series as though it were a TV series is misleading and confusing to anyone seeking first knowledge of the films. Monkeyzpop (talk) 09:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I just re-reverted the infobox. Do not add back. If someone wants to create an "Infobox short subject series" that could cater specifically to these sorts of articles, fine, but don't abuse the templates not designed for this purpose. Thanks. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 05:01, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox formatting for TV series

message: I wasn't around for the debate on the page name (which I would have opposed), but the article makes clear that The Little Rascals only officially applies as a title to the 80 all-talking entries produced by Hal Roach from 1929 to 1938. So does the disambiguation page. The silent films are marketed under all manners of names depending on the distributor (as far as I can tell today, the consensus on these seems split between The Little Rascals and Our Gang), while the later MGM-produced entires owned by Turner are still (and always have been) Our Gangs. It would be less comprable to Star Wars/Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope than to Babes in Toyland/March of the Wooden Soldiers (and the article for Babes in Toyland is at...Babes in Toyland (1934 film). And plenty of people who are neither old nor dead refer to these films as Our Gang. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 05:13, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, to answer the question posed above by Andrewa and a few others, the DVD covers all say The Little Rascals, but the prints of the actual films on the disc use the original titles (or recreations of such), which all say Our Gang or Hal Roach's Rascals in 'Our Gang' Comedies. They've been run that way since about 1994, when RHI did restorations of all of the Hal Roach sound films. Even during their last major showing on TV (on AMC in the early 2000s), the package said The Little Rascals, but the films still said Our Gang. And of course, Warner Bros. sells the Turner set, which says Our Gang Comedies. The name thing is tricky, but calling the article Our Gang and explaining all deviations from such seems the best sensible manner from an encyclopedic standpoint. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 05:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: I reverted IP addition of "Earl Colby as 'Sniffles'" because I couldn't find anything on the fecund Web. Was I over-hasty? —Tamfang (talk) 00:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sniffles 

message: Entries in 1920s film magazines on ″Our Gang", retrieved via Media History digital Library --92.206.6.137 (talk) 02:00, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Literature: Entries in 1920s film magazines 

message: Jackie Lynn Taylor died. B-Machine (talk) 05:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jackie Lynn Taylor]]

message: Excuse me, did the Author of the Article forget to mention Tom McNamara, director and writer, or has he just not been relevant? 
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thread_title: [[Tom McNamara]]

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message: they need to be added 2600:1702:CC7:1A20:AD57:F5C2:C440:20FD (talk) 07:25, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sidney Kibrick and Mildred Kornman 

message: The inventor and builder of various Our Gang Taxi's Fire Engines and contraptions. 2603:8002:B40:3774:5CFF:C776:7E93:C142 (talk) 01:50, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charlie Olzie