Talk:Olza (river)

message: The Czechs call their 83km :cs:Olše (řeka), the Poles their 16km :pl:Olza (reka). 
Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary of 1997 calls it Olsa River. Yet, English Wikipedia once again echoes a Polish naming. Olsa would be a good compromise between Czech an Polish spelling - if it were not opposed by some for being  "compromised" for being the German spelling used there for centuries, too.-- Matthead  DisOuß   03:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Trolling again, Matt? Olza is not a Polish name it is Old Slavic name for this river. The river was called always Olza by local people - Poles and Czechs also. Olsa is a German derivate from Olza. Official Czech Olše was invented by Czech nationalist writers at the end of the 19th century. Olza was used also officially by Czechs as far, as till 1960s. There is now also a smaller academic debate in the Czech Republic regarding renaming the river from Olše back to its natural Olza. - Darwinek (talk) 11:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Olše was not invented by Czech nationalists. It was invented by Polish teachers from Galicia who came to teach on the newly established Polish high school in Teschen (established in 1895) and thought Olza is not Polish enough. (Other names suggested by these teachers were Olszawa (Olšava in old Czech maps), etc.) I really start to get annoyed by the nationalistic rubbish you keep on inserting here, Darwinek!--Xixaxu (talk) 22:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Olsa is Germanised version of Slavic Olza, it also reads as "Olza", which you should know. Besides, it is mentioned in the article. Olše was invented by Czech nationalist writers, because no other Czech equivalent existed. Polish nationalists also tried to make their own equivalent but they finally left it as Olza. Story that it was invented by Poles from Galicia is a common Czech misconception. You will not be able to find Olsze in any Polish document before the appearance of the Czech Olše. You will find Olsza and Olszawa but not Olsze. There is a whole section about the name in the article, it is referenced with great bilingual Czech-Polish book about the river. P.S. Keep up your personal attacks for yourself, please. - Darwinek (talk) 00:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Ah, another one "why not use German name for something outside Germany?" series of questions? Leave the poor dead horsie alone... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  14:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion over the old naming and renaming is very interesting - can you find any sources for this and include it in the text?  It'd also be a decent case for using Olza over Olše, although that's not what's under discussion here. Knepflerle (talk) 12:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you. Completely agree. Olza is the easiest possible one to determine, because a.) majority of local population use this from, b.) vast majority of English-language sources also. Just check out the Google Books for example and search for "Olza River" and "Olsa River", number of results as well as the years of publications speak for themselves. No dilemma here. Also there is a separate section explaining the name in the article. - Darwinek (talk) 12:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a pretty case of terrible vandalism over whole topic, region and across the articles covering Eastern Europe articles, there is a general rule set by ArbCom which I believe should be applied to Matthead, see this Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Digwuren#General_restriction for details. His continuous disruptive behavior, edit warring and extreme POV pushing in the articles topics about Eastern Europe is frustrating. You, Matthed, tried to rename Sniezka to Schneekoppe, Euroregion Cieszyn Silesia to  Euroregion Teschen Silesia, Cieszyn Silesia to Teschen Silesia, what next Matthead ? Czech Republic to Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, or Ostmark ? Or Poland to Prussland ? You also created highly disruptive template Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_December_27#Template:Sudetenland, for one purpose only - to disrupt, provoke, revoke the history and support your POV. This is pretty boring and blocks us from common editing and creating articles. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 15:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Getting hysterical does not help anything, Tulkolahten. Whatt Matthead suggests is to use on the English Wikipedia old German names instead of Czech or Polish names. In the particular case of Sněžka this would make perfect sense. German population used to live on both sides of the border (in Silesia as well as in Bohemia). That is not POV, that is not revoking the history, that is not justifying any German crimes against the Poles and/or the Czechs and/or the Jews and/or the Russians, etc., that is a fact.--Xixaxu (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This don't make any sense. You will not rewrite the history and the fact German population was expelled from there. Matthead was officially warned for his disruptive behaviour by uninvolved admin and placed on a black list. Do as you wish, you can be also placed on a black list as him if you will decide to behave as such. Whole national debate here is completely redundant, because per most common English-language use and also local use the article should be named Olza. Period. - Darwinek (talk) 00:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not Olsa River? 

message: The river was measured by the appropriate government offices in the Czech Republic and Poland - 86,2 km. Official data based on these measurements have been published in encyclopedias Czech and Polish, but in an article for the principal shall be given not based on any measurements (no official sources did not confirm the information about the length of the river given in the publication which is based on article) - 99 km. It is most likely that they were invented in this publication (except for the information about the length of the river does not have to this publication reservations). The second false information is once again the numerical information and refers to the number of kilometers of the river is located in Poland and the Czech Republic. Mere glance at the map and read the information that the river is certain sections of the border between Poland and the Czech Republic should alert the reader that provide only the length of the river in the Czech Republic and the length of the river in Poland is not enough - it should be more information about the length of the river on the border between Poland-Czech Republic. It turns out that for reasons unknown stretch of the river at the Polish-Czech border is included in the course of the river on Czech territory! To what purpose are given false information claiming that the Czech Republic is located 83 km of the river? According to official figures, 16 km of the river course is only on Polish territory (1 section of the river), 46 km on the territory of the Czech Republic (3 sections of the river), and 24 km of the river forms the border between the Poland and the Czech Republic (3 sections of the rivers). Everything can be easily verified, just go to google maps and make yourself measuring the length of the river and the individual sections. Today, this type of forgery after all, you yourself overthrow.
Official sources:
Universum. Všeobecná encyklopedie 2001, vol. 6, p. 624 (Czech encyclopedia)
Słownik geograficzno-krajoznawczy Polski 2000, p. 532 (Polish encyclopedia)
Nowa Encyklopedia Powszechna PWN 2004, vol. 6, p. 164 (Polish encyclopedia)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.200.54.246 (talk) 10:07, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of the river and through which countries flows