Talk:Online marketing

message: The following external links have been moved here from the mainpage:
*blogs-mar keting.blogspot.com/
*www.topr ankblog.com/
*www.bmar keter.com/
*www.e-sto rm.com/glossary.html
*www.hitw ise.com.au/
*socialcu stomer.typepad.com
*blog.tele dyn.com/node/609
*trevorc ook.typepad.com
*www.parkerwebde velopers.com/
If you wish to add these links back in per Wikipedia:External links, please discuss it here first. 
brenneman(t)(c) 14:51, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've de-linked and munged them so they don't get any accidental search engine benefits. They were probably listed here so they don't get put back in the article. -- zzuuzz (talk) 09:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I'm willing to help with the merge with internet marketing, but have never done one before. Peterkoning 03:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Merge.  In my opinion, Internet marketing should redirect here.  Thank you. --Perfecto  03:50, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There definitely should be a merge, but the question is what should redirect where.  Specifically, the term that is being used most often (on the engines) is "Internet Marketing".  However, I think the bulk of the good wiki content is in the 'online marketing' entry.Chernicky 02:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm obviously not the smartest guy to talk about the English language but wouldn’t it be more sensible to merge "online marketing" into "internet marketing"? "Internet marketing" is a more widely used term if Google is any indication ("internet marketing" 22.0 million results and "online marketing" 12.6 million results). Is there anything that is "online" but isn’t "internet" or vice versa? It really doesn’t matter that most of the good material is currently in "online marketing". It is more important what people actually use. Pk2000 13:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Other way around. Online Marketing should be merged into Internet Marketing and Category Internet advertising and promotion should be renamed to Internet Marketing. Advertising network should be renamed to Affiliate Network and become a subcategory containing articles for the different type of Affiliate Networks. Article Search engine marketing should also become a Sub Category with Articles about Pay-Per-Click Advertising (Adwords, Yahoo Search Marketing, Ask Jeeves Sponsored Listings, MSN AdCenter, Search Engine Optimization etc.). --Roy-SAC 06:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. Online Marketing or eMarketing can be used if everybody is aware that the Internet is meant. The reader must go through a process before reading the text to get this awareness. This works fine for cases like articles at Internet Marketing Sites but not for Wikipedia where it does not have to be clear to the reader. Internet Marketing on the other hand is clear and does not require any additional step that clarifies the context of the article.  Using the nice example of Email. Internet Email was not the first form of electronic mail. Email within a closed Network (using the Network Software's Email System e.g. Banyan Vines Mail) and Emails within Computer Networks like Fido-Net or Zerberus did exist. Email Marketing did not play any notable role I am aware of in those early Email systems to create any confusion with Email Marketing in the context "Internet", but I changed the "Email marketing" article anyway to put it into the right context :). Online Marketing is ambiguous and Internet Marketing is not. Most of the content from Online Marketing should actually being moved into Internet Marketing. The Online Marketing Article should reference to Internet Marketing and only Marketing using Computers and Networks prior the Internet (or outside of it) should reside in this article. --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 14:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: (not a thread re merging so moved out)
::The poor content of Wikipedia about Internet Marketing and especially Affiliate Marketing let to the creation of it's own Wiki Affilipedia.com The Affiliate Marketing Wiki. It's operated by Shawn Collins from Affiliate Tip. He should be contacted, if he is willing to merge his Wiki's content into Wikipedia. It's using the same software which makes it easier to merge the two. Just an idea, but who knows, probably worth a try, right?. --Roy-SAC 08:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't assume that's why he made a spin-off wiki. Shawn's a clever guy and has affiliate links throughout his wiki. Can't blame him - that's the nature of the game. There are several other spin-off wiki's which have commercial value to the owners. I think we can add to the content here just as well and it's getting better all the time. Peterkoning 05:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: References must be cleaned up anyway. Affiliate links should be removed from the articles during cleanup and integration of course. Some work, but less work than writing up the content from scratch. And to be honest, "you" treat most knowledgeable people that are knowledgeable about internet marketing not very well when they start editing articles (beyond adding external links). A marketer will always be a marketer and its nature if he is very good at it. Articles written by marketing people will read different than dry history or political ones. I think a compromise should be made. As it stands today are most people that could and would contribute to Wikipedia about this topic too scared to do anything because they are looked down on and marked without doing anything as self promoting and profit hungry monsters (which fits the description of some though). The result of this are well written articles (linguistically) but week in content, because the person writing it does not know too much about it because he was never part of it and also lags current information because he is not interested in this topic too much either. Asking Shawn if he is willing to hand over the content and kick it around in the sanbox for a bit if he does to clean it up does not hurt anybody. I am no expert, but I believe is Wiki Content is not public domain. Could well written articles at Affilipedia be ported to Wikipedia or would it violate copyrights. I noticed the reference to the authors of the Article in some pages. Does that mean that they did not give up their copyright? I will find that out by simply asking him. What is the best way to get new articles added here at Wikipedia where a decent to very good article exists at Affilipedia? Questions, Questions, Questions. :) --Roy-SAC 09:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roy-SAC's branch re content 

message: I DONT THINK Online marketing and Internet marketing should be merged into one article. 
From my point of view and experience, they are NOT the exact same thing.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.158.230 (talk • contribs) 
:I agree.. --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 14:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weighing in 

message: *E-marketing, Online marketing - These two articles, with 100s of incoming links need a complete rewrite.  There's a massive chunk of content in both articles which just refers to one book by Dave Chaffey, who originally wrote the E-marketing article in 2003 under the usename User:Dchaffey.  The E-marketing article was expanded following this by various anons using only Chaffey's definition of e-marketing, and then forked out onto the online marketing article in which Chaffey's work forms the bulk of the article.  Now maybe Chaffey wrote the absolute tome of intenet marketing and everyone in the industry uses his definition, in which case it would be OK.  But I doubt that somehow.  Online marketing and E-marketing need rewrites.  Couple this with the fact that we have a un-Chaffey article at internet marketing which should probably be merged makes this a big job. - Hahnchen 21:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete rewrite needed 

message: To further the discussion, website marketing is also redirected here.  This is clearly not Internet marketing as website marketing deals with compelling content and the Four Ps of marketing as they relate to a specific page.  Internet and Online I think can be merged, but it's not as easy as it sounds. Internet marketing can, and often does, encompass e-mail marketing, on-line marketing by virture of its definition, should not.  This isn't a big issue, but should be noted. Website or page marketing should have it's own page which does not focus on anything but website (on-page) marketing. SEO, and PPC may be mentioned, but the focus is on the differences in writing style, placement of text, and thought flow, as opposed to printed text marketing.  
Seems to me as if the entire segment has become somewhat confused in wikipedia and needs a complete rewrite, branching of disciplines (within a more professional marketing format),etc. etc. 
Egurr 17:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete rewrite needed 

message: Based on the discussions from the last 7 months do I believe that the template change is justified.
E-marketing and Online marketing should be merged into Internet Marketing and then redirected UNTIL somebody provides content (if there is any) about E-marketing and Online marketing outside the context of Internet marketing. That's my opinion. What do you think? --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 14:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm thinking of just AFDing E-marketing, it's a spam article.  I don't think it offers Wikipedia anything other than an advert for Chaffey's book. - Hahnchen 14:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's a good idea as well. Radagast83 04:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates changed / Merge Proposal