Talk:Cyclone Tracy

message: There is no source for either the claim that this was a Cat 4 on the SSHS or on the Australian scale. All that is included in the article is a windspeed that corresponds to Australian Category 3. I know Tracy is considered to be Aus Cat 4, but that needs asserting. This and this give an assertions of that. The follow-up question is: If it was Category 4 can we say its winds were at least the minimum Cat 4 speed? The anemometer measurement is merely the highest winds directly recorded. The assertion for Cat 4 strength will be from satellite/radar and whilst not directly measured it would have been inferred; like is the case with all TCs. There should be a real estimate for the peak strength out there - the pdf above says 250 km/h for example. If you consider that reliable enough whack it in, that's Cat 4 asserted. If you want a BoM estimate hunt around or email.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strength 

message: Whilst it may be true that the smallest cyclone on record has been broken by Tropical Storm Marco - the advisory notice is not enough to confirm that fact at this stage.  I have reverted that edit and suggest that editors await a confirmation before it is returned.  If the record being broken is confirmed then the fact will become clear soon enough.--VS talk 03:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record broken by Tropical Storm Marco (2008) 

message: Yes, I was there that Xmas Eve and it is impossible to forget the massive piles of refuse, the broken buildings, the stunned people, the complete chaos everywhere. And then on top of that the poor buggers get hit by a cyclone! Myles325a (talk) 03:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, very funny.  Let's confine this page to a discussion of the actual article, and leave poor-taste jokes for the pub.  --  JackofOz (talk) 03:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh, the humanity.... 

message: I am a little skeptical about the $837 AUD in 1974. I found a source that uses that same number for the insurance payout in 2005 AUD (see page 4). There's a similar figure here , though it doesn't say what year. Potapych (talk) 01:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Same. Reason why I asked for you to source $775 million USD damage bill as I found it a little high for 1974 (Then again I could be wrong). Bidgee (talk) 01:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I did some searching. The EMA database  has the $837 million figure again, and if you look in Information you'll see that it says the costs represent the costs at the time of the disaster. Now we have to convert that to US dollars in 1974. I checked the Reserve Bank of Australia and looked up the monthly data from Dec 1974 . I believe that number represents the value of the US dollar against the $A at the time, so I am getting $1110.699 million USD. The $837 can be cited in the article, but we need USD for the infobox. Potapych (talk) 06:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damages 

message: I found this at this source. Would anyone prefer it if the article used this information instead? The most interesting thing about this track is that it indicates Tracy was a Category 3 storm on the SSHS. I can also make a track map directly from this data.
15640 12/21/1974 M= 5 36 SNBR=1740 TRACY       XING=0 SSS=3                          
15641 12/21*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0* 931320  10  990* 961315  35  990*
15642 12/22* 991312  38  990*1041309  43  985*1071307  40  985*1111306  43  985*
15643 12/23*1121304  48  980*1141302  50  976*1161300  50  975*1171299  60  971*
15644 12/24*1191299  70  970*1211302  70  964*1221305  60  956*1241309 110  950*
15645 12/25*1251314  80  968*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*
15646 HR SRC=jtwc_sh:bom:neumann  S/N=1974356S09132
Potapych (talk) 14:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in the process of make a map based on the BoM's category scale and track but the above data map help me to also add SSHS some how. Bidgee (talk) 22:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global best track 

message: 
In PREPARATIONS: should be "... withstanding ...", not "... with standing ...".
:Done. --- RockMFR 19:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Withstanding 

message: Why on earth are the damage costs in this articles' infobox given in US Dollars only? My particular interest is checking whether Tracy or the 1999 Sydney hailstorm was the most costly, allowing for inflation. The hailstorm article says "The 1999 Sydney hailstorm was the costliest natural disaster in Australian insurance history". I would have thought Cyclone Tracy was worse? - 220.101 talk\Contribs 04:42, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damages Again 

message: Just to let people know the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Journal has released a special issue on Cyclone Tracy.  It includes a journal from two forecasters at TCWC Perth & Darwin reanalyzing Tracy's windspeeds and pressure.Jason Rees (talk) 19:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  AMOJ 

message: This section has upset a recent triviacleaner in action - it needs to be re-written and sourced and probably reasserted that is is a very valid part of Australian history - regardless of the cultural title: - 
'===Cyclone Tracy in popular culture==='
	 
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'Cyclone Tracy, because of its severity, has entered into the popular culture of Australia in a way that no other meteorological event has ever before, or has since. Probably the most famous work that it has inspired is the song "Santa Never made it into Darwin" composed by Bill Cate  and performed by Bill (Cate) and Boyd (Robinson) in 1975 to raise money for the relief and reconstruction efforts. Subsequently the song became so well-known that in 1983 Hoodoo Gurus released "Tojo Never Made it to Darwin", a song comparing the Japanese bombing of Darwin under the command of Hideki Tojo during World War II to the damage done by Cyclone Tracy. The much feared Japanese invasion never happened, but the cyclone that was virtually ignored ended up destroying the city.
	 	
In 1986 the Nine Network and PBL created Cyclone Tracy, a period drama mini-series based on the events during the cyclone. Michael Fisher, Ted Roberts, and Leon Saunders wrote the series, and it starred Chris Haywood and Tracy Mann, who played the lead characters of Steve and Connie.
	 
Australian heavy metal band, Cyclone Tracy, took their name from the tropical disaster.
Placed here in agf in the hope that a re-write might not so much offend the sensibilities of the keep  or delete sides of the argument SatuSuro 08:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Need for re-write

message: After reverting what appeared to be vandalism to Impact section of this article, I noticed that there was conflicting information about how many people had died as a result of the cyclone. On a closer look, I saw that the sources provided for the death toll figures don't actually mention the official death toll. Further, I haven't been able to verify the death toll figure currently presented. An article here puts the official toll at 65. I may update the figure if I can't find a source to verify the 71 deaths figure. Rinkle gorge (talk) 05:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no conflict. In 2005 the coroner declared that 6 people previously declared as missing perished at sea. The ABC article was linked to in in the "Impact" section where this is discussed, but I've moved the ref to avoid any ambiguity. --AussieLegend (✉) 00:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death toll inconsistency 

message: I find the following statement offensive "Despite several warnings the people of Darwin did not evacuate or prepare for the cyclone".  My parents prepared the best they could, as did many other families.  Not everyone in Darwin was drunk and oblivious like all this sort of stuff seems to imply.  Im sick of this rhetoric passing as fact. Same with the assertion that despite warnings nobody evacuated, please provide a reference to an evacuation warning from the authorities. Even people in the BOM office werent prepared for it to hit. I demand an edit! 101.103.25.87 (talk) 13:23, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry you find the statement offensive. The article was written many years ago, and the original editor did not intend to offend any residents. If you have some proof via a source that can prove there were evacuations ahead of time, you can always add it to the article :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  00:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I can do something with this.  Gary McKay's book, 'Tracy' quotes 16 instances of organisations and individuals taking action before the cyclone to secure their possessions (and their lives).  I'll wait for Sophie Cunningham's book, 'Blown Away' which has just come out and look for examples in there as well before proposing an edit here.  I should also be able to obtain a copy of the advisories that were broadcast on the radio, and there's mention of a written booklet.  I  don't want to pre-empt the research that needs to be done to nail this issue down, but I'd suggest that the outcome would likely be an observation that preparedness was (a) approached both well by some and poorly by others (b) almost universally inadequate to cope with an unprecedented event, and (c) never included the option of evacuating 'out of town'.  I'm not sure if internal evacuations (seeking shelter' in community buildings) was a standard advice in those days - that'll need checking.  And, yes, I was there, and old enough to remember.  What's more I flew in on a commercial flight around noon on the 24th, not something you'd expect to happen if there was a formal advice to 'leave town' because the cyclone was imminent.  I'll need a few weeks to pull this all together, and put forward a formal edit. Melanimmi (talk) 10:13, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offensive assertion 

message: It may to true that "all of the Defence Force personnel throughout Australia, along with the entire Royal Australian Air Force's fleet of transport planes, were recalled from holiday leave", but I doubt that they were all "deployed to evacuate civilians from Darwin", particularly the entire defence force personnel strength!Royalcourtier (talk) 06:25, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exaggerated military role 

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message: My memory tells me the first (non-amateur) communication with the rest of Australia was via the PMG (later Telecom Australia and now Telstra) "order wire" at the ABD-6 transmitter building, Blake Street Darwin. I never used it but knew several who did. NTD-8 occupied an ATCO demountable nearby, and I believe its satellite communication was put out of action by "the blow". And had the ABC radio station by then graduated from 5DR to 8DR? To my shame I can't remember and I worked there! Doug butler (talk) 00:34, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  First post-Tracy communication 

message: The storm was the second-smallest tropical cyclone on record.
:This may be the technically correct description, but it does not immediately convey the notability. Valetude (talk) 02:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: when it says the area's affected, Darwin was affected too but the article didn't include it RJ da smart boi (talk) 10:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:23, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2019