Talk:Frog/Archive 1

message: What are the non-frog frogs? anthony (see warning) 19:13, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: true frogs

message: Because the article merges info from both Ranidae and frogs in general, it is sometimes unclear what stuff applies where. Phlebas 12:03, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual inaccuracies

message: Here is a list of all the Families in ORDER ANURA - well these were adequate to cover all species a few years ago. So unless you are using cutting-edge info, this list should be a simple (and probably the only way) to keep track of the scope needed to fully back up statements. A first useful step would be to find Family Common Names (multi-lingual). 09:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am trying to compile my own list of amphibian articles in User:Ahoerstemeier/Amphibians, both to keep track of the articles already existing, as well as to make sure that there's always a redirect from the taxonomic to the common name; and maybe it may finally become a List of Amphibian species. Still it's work in progress, some families are covered down to species levels, some still empty. Any help is welcome. andy 22:28, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frog and Toad Families 

message: Finding that this "Frog" page was on track to do everything for Frogs and Toads, I jumped in with the above bit of Classification. Then Google pointed me to page "Anura"! Since "Anura" has got most going for it and the "Frog" page overlaps with it, AND since it happens to be impossible to separate Frogs and Toads (despite the brave (failed) attempt on the "Anura" page), I suggest we re-organise the Amphibian Info around the "Anura" page.
First; a last plea for not trying to say anything vaguely scientific about Frogs as Frogs and Toads and Toads:
*These terms are names, and names are concepts that anyone can have and anyone can change any time. They cannot be defined by relationships (Classification), so the names are applied on  appearance. (Frogs, to a European, have damp, shiny skin, long legs and mostly hop, whereas Toads, to most Europeans, have dry, warty skin, short legs and mostly crawl.)
**The Family Ascaphidae contains only two species, both are called Bell Toads and both are called Tailed Frogs, probably even sometimes by the same people. Why not Bell Frogs or Tailed Toads? - tradition.
**From the "Anura" page we see "A classification of Anurans based on "Frogs" and "Toads" results in polyphyletic groups.". These Common Names are not scientific so this sentence is totally unfounded; a nonsense.
**The Family Discoglossidae contains both Midwife Toads and Painted Frogs.
**"All Frogs have horizontal pupils..." ("Anura" page), is wrong: 
***Many groups of Frogs and Toads only have species with horizontal pupils ), eg Bufonidae and Brachycephalidae;
***many others have vertical slits, but in some Families horizontal pupils are present in most, but not all Genera, or, in most species in the Family but with odd-ones-out. 
***The exceptions that prove the rule that there is no rule are the Firebelly Toads (Bombinatoridae (ex Discoglossidae)) with triangular pupils and the Clawed Frogs (Pipidae) with circular pupils.
So, I suggest we rewrite the Anuran page with a lot less emphasis on applying non-scientific terminology. What's needed are Order-level statements (covering all species) and then valid subdivisions of the total. I'll suggest more on the "Anura" page.
As for the "Frog" page, "Ranidae" already points to it, as Bufonidae does to the "Toad" page, so would anyone (or two, or 10) care to re-organise these pages in a more formal way. Soon we will want a page for each Family.
In addition, the "Lissamphibia" page, which is an orphan, could easily be fitted onto the "Amphibian" page - consolidating rather than expanding, except for the addition of the fossil Order Proanura. 05:19, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate Amphibian pages? 

message: Any discussion on the usage of delicious frog legs in food? Kent Wang 06:01, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frog legs, food 

message: I have put the White's Tree Frog article up for  peer review. As this is a related topic, and there are probably many here who are interested in the subject, could you please contribute to the peer review. You can access it through the discussion page of the article, by pressing the request has been made link. I would greatly appreciate it. --liquidGhoul 07:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: White's Tree Frog Peer Review

message: I don't like the way this article is classified. The taxobox says that it is the Ranidae family, which  are commonly called "True Frogs", and not just frogs. By having the title of the article for the Ranidae as "frog" is misleading. The title should be "True Frogs." 
Also, many of the pictures which are on this article, are not part of the Ranidae family. For example, the Pobblebonk, and most likely, the "Australian Frog" in the gallery, as only one Australian frog is part of the Ranidae family. I think this article should be split up. One into Frog (where the toxobox stops at Anura), and one for Ranidae (that is similar to the Hylidae article).
The Frog article should be very similar to this one, however, the taxobox stops at Anura, and maybe the Anura article is merged into this one. The problem with the distinction between frogs and toads still needs to be adressed. I think the best way to do this, would be a paragraph describing the distinction between frogs and toads. As I understand it, toads are actually frogs, they just belong to the Bufonidae family. The toad article seems fine.
The new Ranidae article, would have all the genera, and a short description of the Ranidae family. --liquidGhoul 02:13, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone please reply, this whole Ranidae thing is starting to annoy me! --liquidGhoul 06:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

text: As I recieved no reply, I went ahead and changed it. If you would like to change it back, you please discuss your reasons first. Thankyou --liquidGhoul 06:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Frog Classification