Talk:CHOBA B CCCP

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*Support move to Back in the USSR (album), per "use English". Apteva (talk) 19:36, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree this is a bastardized transliteration, but it doesn't really matter because that's what sources call it - by a huge margin. It just so happens that people typing on english keyboards can easily type Choba B CCCP, perhaps not realizing that they aren't really typing russian letters but roman siblings. And as much as it might offend our sensibilities and irritate Russian-speakers, the fact is tons of english-language sources refer to this album in exactly this way, using roman characters. I suppose it's his fault for releasing an album without an "official" roman-character-english name. WP:AT is rather mum I believe on translation of the titles of works of art. Snova v SSSR would be terrible, as very few sources (if ANY!) refer to it in that way. In a way, you might consider "Choba B CCCP" as similar to "Peking" - an anglicization that has become part of the lingua franca. Back in the USSR (album) would be a second choice, but seems to be used by many fewer sources, and if we have a very common, english-language name for an album, why not use it?--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 00:05, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's insulting to blame McCartney for not releasing a live album promoted to a Russian audience under a Russian name with an English title. Hell, the typo in the later English release, in case the sources that discuss it as being "Russian for Back in the USSR", only points more to it being Russian. WP:COMMONNAME says that we shouldn't use inaccurate names, and WP:UE says that if we have an accepted translation, we use it, and the accepted translation is "Back in the USSR". Sceptre (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Blah blah blah. Geez it's just a wikipedia article, and it's just a discussion, so take a chill pill plz and stop acting all offended because of an aside. In any case, I'm not sure how it's inaccurate - this is exactly how it's rendered in thousands of sources, including rolling stone and Billboard and allmusic It's no more inaccurate than "Peking", which persists to this day. Normally I'd be ok with a translation for the title of an artistic work, but when the work was re-released in the US, it was released under the title "Choba B CCCP", and then re-released again, under that same title in 2011. Thus, I think it's a classic case of just following the sources where they lead us, and instead of going with a sanitized english translation, we should use what the sources themselves use. As a purist, it bugs me a bit too, and I actually don't mind the cryllic that much, but we do have to draw a line. There are thousands of Russian works that have been re-released in America, but I can't think of any that have been re-released with an anglicized Russian title. So, this is sort of an edge case.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 06:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, it is only an encyclopedia, so we shouldn't get bogged down in all these rules about naming conventions leading us down a path of having a title we all recognise is ugly for the sake of it. The American release's cover art actually calls it, transliterated, Snova b SSSR, but is subtitled "the Russian album". I'd place my bets on this, like Billy Joel's Kontsert, actually being called "the Russian album" more often. If there was a time to ignore the rules, this is it. Sceptre (talk) 22:23, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Rothorpe asked at my talk page about where does the MoS say there should be no italics for Cyrillic. That would be MOS:BADITALICS,  However, it does say in the sequel that , where this title also fits, so that would be my bad. Feel free to revert – although I'd argue for a slight IAR here: I think that italics hinders readability, glyph of that italic т (т) really comes as a surprise for the uninitiated. No such user (talk) 11:42, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think itallics are appropriate, as album titles are italicized. Perhaps we could handle the readability issue by adding « and » as is done in the Russian version of Rite of Spring.--Cúchullain t/c 13:18, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps as it's an anglophone album—a special case, and there are no Ms or Ts, and the article title is in italics and is intended to look like Cyrillic... Rothorpe (talk) 13:42, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

text: We have already (consciously) IAR-ed with the title, which arguably violates MOS:CAPS. How about a creative solution of , rendered as ? To me it looks aesthetically pleasing, satisfies MOS:ITALICS, and matches the article title (rendered in Latin, remember). No such user (talk) 13:49, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. The first mention ought to follow the article title, which is in caps (and "CHOBA B CCCP" does appear in sources). It also doesn't solve what to do with the Cyrillic version, which still needs to be marked in some way to indicate it's the title of a work.-- Cúchullain t/c 14:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Italicizing Cyrillic aside, are you OK with replacing the instances of "Снова в СССР" in the text with CHOBA B CCCP throughout the article? In that way, we would use consistent spelling as in the title. No such user (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, except where the cyrillic form is specifically intended (ie, in the lead sentence's parentheses and one reference in the "Title and album cover" section). However it looks like that's pretty much done.--Cúchullain t/c 17:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italics 

message: How about using latin small caps (e.g. C CCCP)? ‑‑YodinT 17:07, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that was one of the proposals, but the consensus was against it.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 18:20, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small caps 

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message: The article says that 20 songs were recorded at these sessions; information about the forthcoming (as of May 2019) remastering of McCartney’s live albums issued by his social media presence states that there were 22 tracks recorded. The new remaster will be of the 11 track Russian original. Jock123 (talk) 11:07, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of tracks at the sessions…?