Talk:Japan/Archive 11

message: We have nearly a dozen templates at the end of the article. Are all of them desirable? If not, which ones are redundant or of lesser importance? Fg2 05:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The recently added sea articles. They are the biggest but provide the least useful information. Do we need to link Chile and Fiji to Japan - they are on opposites sides of the world? --Merbabu 05:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates at the end of the article 

message: Korean Peninsula had three kingdoms. Koguryo( Koma in Japanese), Paeckje ( Kudara in Japanese, Shilla ( shiragi in Japanese) southern tip kingdom Minama ( includes Cheju Province and Tsushima Island). The closest Kingdom that had closest ties with Japan was Paeckje ( Kingdom of 100 followers) and Shilla.
The kingdom that transfer Korean and Continent culture was Paekje Kingdom.
Yamato, Nara, Asuka culture was based on Paekje ( Korean kingdom). The Chinese script and Buddhism were introduced by ( Paekje Korean Kingdom Monk) He wasn't chinese. The first pottery culture came from ( Paekje invasion to Japanese island). The horse riding theory by Japanese historian Igami Namio. You really cannot separate Korean Kingdom or Korean contribution to Japanese culture. Geographically, Race, Linguistically, Politically, etc.
Chinese writing, Buddhism, advanced pottery were not "all introduced by Korea." Chinese Buddhist monks and commoners also went directly to Japan either by sea or through Korean peninsula. There is a reason why a lot of Japanese kanji have 呉音 (Go-on) pronunciations. Go-on was based on the Chinese dialect (呉方言) spoken around Nanjing/Suzhou in southeast coastal China (呉越地方). The ancient name for Suzhou is Go 呉. There is no way Go-on could have came from Sino-Korean, unless you believe a lot of Southern Chinese lived in Korea during Baekje. If Southern Chinese can reach Korea, they could reach Japan too.  Japan's earliest book Kojiki was written based on kanji in the Go-on pronunciations.  The idea that everything that Japan got from China had to be first filtered by Korea is not substantiated. More like modern quasi-fascist Korean propaganda.
While quite a bit of Chinese culture might have been introduced via Korea's Baekje, there is also a lot of evidence suggesting direct communication existed between the Chinese and Japanese during the first millennium, particularly from the Chinese coastal region near the Yangtze River Delta (Shanghai/Suzhou area), which has direct one-way sea current to Kyushu.  --Naus 18:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korea was not the only source of Chinese culture for classical Japan 

message: Although the original religions in Japan were Buddhism and Hinduism (the two religions borrowed from China), what part of the century was Christianity brought to Japan? --PJ Pete
:Not sure about Hindu, and I'd call Shinto original. Christianity arrived in 1549 with Francis Xavier. Fg2 07:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah; many elements of Hinduism may have been absorbed into Japanese Buddhism, but the Japanese never practiced Hinduism per se. LordAmeth 09:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Christianity was definitely in Japan with nationwide spread (07:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a movement in the late Meiji period to absorb Shinto into "traditional culture" and to essentially declare it no longer a religion. To this day, many (most?) Japanese will follow certain ritual traditions of both Shinto and Buddhism while insisting that they're not religious, just traditional. Essentially, Shinto (the Way of the Gods) is of course a religion, but Meiji-era ideology and other 19th-20th century developments in culture and ideology have turned people's perceptions of it. (PS I don't mean to speak for PJ Pete; I do not presume to know what he was referring to.) LordAmeth 09:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Because (a) this is a very general overview article on every single aspect of the country; Wikipedia's not hiding it or anything - see Edo period, Sakoku, Kirishitan, and Religion in Japan for more. (b) It's simply not as significant an event, considering the whole full range of Japanese history (or world history) as some sources might make it out to be. It was certainly not a Holocaust, and was not nearly as systematic and widespread as some sources may indicate. It was still a significant development, absolutely, within the context of missionary history of East Asia, religious history of early modern Japan, etc, but not, I would argue, within the broad spectrum of all that "Japan" or "Japanese history" or even "Edo period history" encompasses. I hope I am not reading too much into your question and am not being too harsh in my response. Simply want to be clear, is all. Merry Christmas! LordAmeth 21:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion in Japan 

message: The article Park golf about a game ingvented in Japan includes the line "Every year, in Japan, August 9 is declared 'Park Golf Day' in hopes of raising the profile of the game."  Does anyone know how to confirm this?  RJFJR 05:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, 8/9 can be pronounced as Pa Ku; so it is not completely unreasonable.  Sorry, no real answer though.  Speaking of which, does anyone know if there is an article about some of the other number pronounciations (like, 11/22 is ii fuufu, a popular day for marriage; etc).  Neier 06:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a little bit in Japanese abbreviated and contracted words#Single letters as abbreviations. It's not specifically about number pronunciations. Also a bit in Japanese mobile phone culture#Teenagers and keitai. If you write an article, you can include May 30 (gomi zero), the usual story about 8-9-3 (yakuza) (whether it's true or not I don't know, but it's repeated often enough to be a good example of a number pronunciation even if it's not the actual derivation of the word), 39 (sankyu, "thank you" which for example McDonald's once used as a promotional price for a hamburger), 42 (shini, "death") and 4219 (shiniiku, "go to [one's] death": see :ja:ナンバープレート (日本)#一連指定番号), くノ一 (a female ninja, "ku-no-ichi": if you put the three together you get 女). Daytime television programs have lots of ads with catchy ways to remember the telephone numbers; these can provide examples. Newspapers and weekly magazines have many of the same. Fg2 07:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an article about Goroawase. --Kusunose 08:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that's a new one on me! Fg2 08:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I just realized that you probably were asking about an official Japanese gov't declaration or something.  That is not likely.  I just found http://www.ipga.jp/01/pg-day.html which is not what I would call a solid reference, but, it at least shows that the park golf association refers to it that way. Neier 06:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I was looking for.  Thank you everybody. RJFJR 13:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmation? 

message: Is koku measurement?  If it is, then why is it an element of so many names?  Particularly regional names?   And, most especially, the official national name?
This period also saw the first use of the word  as a name for the emerging state.
This period also saw the first use of the word  as a name for the emerging state.
Can you provide depth to?:
Nippon
Nihon
nihongo
Thank You.
[[ hopiakuta  | [[ %c2%a1 %c2%bf  %7e%7e%7e%7e  -]] 17:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Koku~country (国) and Koku~measurement (石 or sometimes 斛) are different characters and have unrelated meanings as far as I know.  As to "depth" ... I'm not sure what you are looking for.  In the current article, see: The characters that make up Japan's name literally means "the sun's origin", thus Japan is also sometimes known as the self-identified "The Land of the Rising Sun", a name that comes from the country's eastward position relative to mainland Asia.  Nihon and Nippon are alternate readings of the "sun-origin" characters (日本) ... "go" (語) is a character that roughly means language, so Nihongo is literally "sun-origin-language", or perhaps a little more eloquently, "the language of the Land of the Rising Sun".  I hope this helps! CES 18:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, Wikipedia has an article on Names of Japan. It has more depth. Fg2 21:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[koku]] 

message: I've gone in and fixed some of the more glaringly awkward phrases in the Economics section, such as the redundant "For example such as..." But I am not too well versed in financial/economics jargon, and there is one more phrase I think ought to be looked at again. "the Tokyo Stock Exchange, with a market capitalization of over 4 trillion USD." This sounds odd to me, but I have no idea how to fix it. How is "market capitalization" supposed to be used in context? Thank you. LordAmeth 10:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style clean-up - Economics section