Talk:Sie and hir

message: "sie and hir are ugly and cumbersome."
Says who?  Gone.
--cuiusquemodi 19:02, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it might be worth mentioning that many do hold that opinion about this and other sets of artificial pronouns, although obviously not in the voice of Wikipedia.  —Casey J. Morris
Hey, can I note that "sie" is ridiculously not gender neutral?  It is the German word for "she" (and also "they" and formal "you", but as a singular it distinctly means "she".)  Who on earth came up with the idea that a foreign language word for "she" would be a good gender neutral pronoun?  And "hir" only works in writing, what with it sounding exactly like "her" in speech... sigh... john k 02:16, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: The point being precisely that sie might be related to the german word only accidentally, being a fusion of she and he. Hence both possible origins being presented, and as for hir, as I personally think of it, and apparently a sizable portion of people as well, is to be pronounced as heer, basically. So, less with the oh so superior sighing and more with understanding the whole deal...? Just a thought. Zeppocity 21:19, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed 

message: "Supporters of "sie" and "hir" do not accept these criticisms, or feel they do not outweigh the advantages of these words." 
This is conjecture. Every single supporter in the whole universe? I think not. How many did you ask? Some guys you know? A guy who lives down the street from you? or did you just make it up?..
9:24 AM UTC Monday, August 08, 2005.
:If they didn't feel the criticisms were outweighed by the benefits, presumably they wouldn't be a supporter, right? — ceejayoz talk  17:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  hahaha point Ceejayoz.  I agree with hir complete ;)Oreo man 20:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also Removed 

message: Anyone think that "sie" is she in german and "hir" looks almost exactly like her. I found Ve funny too for the "Ve washes verself" looks overly feminine. Why can't people just use "He" when they don't know the gender? Chooserr 06:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it puts male before female, and as such is violently heteronormative and sexist in linguistic terms, and potentially very simply incorrect and even offensive...? Zeppocity 06:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOL 

message: I'd like to note that there is, essentially, no sourcing whatsoever to this entire article.  What evidence is there that "sie" and "hir" are commonly enough used to warrant an encyclopedia article? john k 07:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this article and Spivak pronoun are junk. I'm going to put up a vfd flag and see what the consensus is. Garglebutt / (talk) 07:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My goodness 

message: User:Uncle G has twice reverted my addition of singular they to the table comparing sie and hir usage with gender and gender neutral grammar. I believe it is appropriate to compare these uncommon words with conventional grammar. The singular they articles makes no comparisons while Spivak includes singular they but is missing neuter so all of these related articles are inconsistent. I detest getting involved in revert battles so I'll post my disagreement here. Garglebutt / (talk) 12:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Singular they]] 

message: is there any evidence that the usage of "hir" in the usenet quote is intentional?  imho, as it stands, it looks like a one-letter typo ("his" or "her" versus "hir").  thanks.  Lunch 18:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  context for usenet quote