Talk:Robert Gray's Columbia River expedition

message: Moved to Talk:Robert Gray (sea-captain).  (For the reason that merge discussions normally go on the proposed destination's talk-page, and to keep discussion of this from getting split between talk-pages.) -- Lonewolf BC 04:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of a proposal to merge this article into [[Robert Gray (sea-captain)]] 

message: Moved to Talk:Robert Gray (sea-captain).  (For the reason that merge discussions normally go on the proposed destination's talk-page, and to keep discussion of this from getting split between talk-pages.) -- Lonewolf BC 04:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal ''ab initio'' 

message: Obvious reasons? No where on Broughton's page does it say he was the first. It says he went into the river in October 1792. If Gray had not been there in May of 1792 then it might be relevant. Also, NPOV says you leave the competing claim in place, then add. Not to mention something like this claim would need to be discussed here first. Aboutmovies 16:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry; it was the wee hours and I was at the box 'cause I couldn't sleep; shot from the lip after leaping to conclusions, partly all fired up by the tone in the source I was reading, which as I commented to LoneWolfBC is fairly emotional in tone; Helen B and GPV Akriggs' British Columbia Chronicle, where they're constantly inveigling against US claims and behaviour (like many BC historians...even worse than me ;-) ); I'll quote the whole passage later on my sandbox, when I get time, just out of interest and also for details which may be useful for a putative Exploration of the Columbia River article.....Skookum1 20:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broughton 

message: I just made some changes to the section of Heceta and Meares, mainly adding info but also changing a couple things, which I thought I ought to mention here. The page claimed that Heceta did not attempt to enter the river, with a citation to HistoryLink.org Essay 5688. But that page only says "the poor health of his crew prevented him from navigating it." This doesn't mean he didn't try to enter. The book I cited instead describes his failed attempt to enter and explains that he could not anchor and wait for better conditions because his crew was so reduced they could not handle the anchor! Also I changed "may have mistook the mouth as an inlet" to a more detailed description of what he thought.
For Meares, I added the fact that he had a copy of a Spanish map showing Heceta's entrance and searched for the river at the latitude shown on the map. I changed "unable to enter the mouth" to "unable to find the mouth", since the first statement implies that he saw it and tried to enter but failed while it seems that he didn't see it at all, as the quote about "no such river" suggests. I removed the footnote to Cape Disappointment State Park since all the info in the paragraph is already sourced in the historylink and Hayes sources.
Hope that I didn't mess anything up! Pfly 08:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. If you still have the sources you might want to expand the Hecta and Meares articles if you haven't already. Aboutmovies 15:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heceta and Meares

message: The title as it stands sounds like it came from a high school history textbook. I suggest we rename it to the more sober title of: Robert Gray's Columbia river expedition or similar. Even if this doesn't happen, the article needs to have the arbitrary caps removed per the Manual of Style. VanTucky Talk 02:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. At minimum, "sails" should be de-capitalized. "River" should be capitalized, though - it's part of a proper name. -Pete 18:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was under the impression that only the Columbia part is a proper noun, and that river is not. It's the description of the type of edifice, rather than a unique part of the pronoun. This is especially true in the colloquial sense, since people often only refer to it as "the Columbia". VanTucky Talk 19:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rename