Talk:Boston Red Sox/Archive 2

message: This may not be a problem for long, if Manny is traded, but...
Are the flags by the players names indicating the country they belong to, or the country they were born in? Ever since 2004, Manny has been an American citizen, so should the flag be changed from a Dominican Republic flag to an American one? --Thebends 00:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Manny

message: This infobox needs major shrinking. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 05:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ugh

message: The opening line read something to the effect that the Yankee/Sox rivalry is the greatest and most intense rivalry in [b]sport[/b].
I changed it to Baseball, as I can think of around ten sporting rivalries that are far, far more intense and have a lot more history than the Sox/Yankees.
Rangers/Celtic in Scotland's Premier League "soccer" is a rivalry based in religion that has been going since the 1800's, and regularly leads to violence.
River Plater/Boca Juniors in Argentina is even hotter!
Since the quotation has no citation, it can't be left there, especially since it is arguably hyperbole.
Well, since you mentioned two rivalries outside of the United States, one can still make a very valid arguement that the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry is the greatest in professional American sports.  It might be a stretch to call it the greatest in all American sports, since the collegiate rivalries of Harvard/Yale (football), Army/Navy (football), Ohio State/Michigan (football), North Carolina/Duke (basketball) can stake claim in that title.
DaDoc540 22:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which  ESPN segment should we cite. Anything dubbed the greatest is without question subjective and cannot be objectified. How can one objectify the greatest rivalry, you can't. However can clearly confirm that it has been said about that rivalry. Can you make the case for others of course, have people said it about this rivalry yes. Have famous important sports figures said it, answer again is yes. --Kev62nesl 05:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How many MLB rivalries in the last sixty years, post-WWII?  Yankees-Red Sox, Dodgers-Giants, Cubs-Cardinals.  Has anyone called any other the greatest?  Suppose not.  That is three in recent MLB history.  What should Wikipedia say about greatest rivalries if MLB (objectively) has three in the last few generations?  --P64 01:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Greatest Rivalry

message: As I've stated in edit summaries, I don't think it is a good idea to include daily updated team records for sports teams:  . There are two key reasons:
#Wikipedia is not a news service, and providing current standings is not what an encyclopedia is for;
#MostlyRainy's caveat of "as long as I can update it"  admits the inherent problem that if an update is missed (which is a reasonable assumption), the information would immediately be inaccurate. 
Other editors at other pages seem to agree . --mtz206 (talk) 12:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current record 

message: Because I'm sure someone will notice my edit and not get it...
Dan Duquette never said that Roger Clemens was "in the twilight of his career." His statement was that Red Sox management wanted to keep Clemens in a Boston uniform "during the twilight of his career," with the full implication of the statement in context indicating that to be sometime in the future. This is consistent with what is written elsewhere in Wikipedia (see Roger Clemens for instance), and is verifiable in the archives of the Boston Herald.
I have restructured the sentence regarding this statement to be factual and convey its controversial nature. -- Zakath 08:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a note re: Duquette and Clemens 

message: Why is the Spanish translation of the team's name relevant?
It's relevant, if only because so many members of the team have hispanic origins.--72.10.101.109 13:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Likewise with Las Medias Blancas, the name used by Spanish-speakers for the Chicago White Sox. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish

message: Can anyone confirm that the Red Sox have indeed aquired Javy Lopez from Baltimore? I saw it on ESPN.--Tigersfan1992 23:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not yet, still just "in the works"  DrunkenSmurf 23:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Roster

message: What is the preferred order for Notes, See also, External links, References --in particular where, as here, there is a substantial footnote?  Nothing looks right.
Information should probably be rearranged between Notes (newly relegated) and the Nickname section, Pilgrims? subsection.  Bill Nowlin and some recent SABR publications were one third of Nickname, with too much detail.  That material might be rewritten as a good paragraph focusing on 1901-1907 nicknames, and I hinted that by making subsections, but I didn't do the work.  Instead I simply relegated to Notes the part about his 2006 followup article, which moderated his previous finding. --P64 01:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes (Pilgrims), See also, . . . 

message: August 2nd, 2006 a crow landed and ran the bases in Fenway park.  Since then the team has tanked.
A new curse is upon the Sox, the curse of the crow!
Picture of the Crow
"In Greek superstition crows are seen as a bad omen, often foretelling death."
-- OldSuperstitions.com
:That's not a crow, it's a blackbird.  Fumblebruschi 18:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curse of the Crow 

message: Can someone please get that GA box at h top of he article to align to the right? I never figured out how. Thanks, aido2002 03:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Box 

message: Hi. I created a template to go at the bottom of all Red Sox-related pages. But as of now, the links it has are not really great. So, if anyone can help improve the template, that would be really helpful. Don't put it on any pages, yet, because I want to make sure it's great before it is put anywhere. Thanks, aido2002 21:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>{{Red Sox}}</nowiki> 

message: How does this matter at all? Can we get a consensus to remove this section entirely? Lionelxhutz 23:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Fans? 

message: There's been something like 20 instances of vandalism on this page in the past week. Can the page be protected? Doc502 19:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a lot of vandalism to this article but in my mind it is being managed. If the vandalism comes fast and furious and is difficult to stay on top of then I would semi-protect it. In any event you can request protection for a page at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection -- No Guru 20:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protecting the page? 

message: I hope that this doesn't come across too strongly against the person that wrote the majority of the section, but the Nickname section needs some serious work. The structure of the information that is there is confusing, unrefrenced, and most of it is only marginally related to the topic of the Red Sox name in my opinion. The other problem is that this section ought to be moved to become a part of the History section. As it is it's sitting on it own shoehorned in between "individual player-introduction music", and "Retired numbers", and is a bit lost. The structure of the overall page is confusing right now, and this section is one of the reasons why.
In my opinion this section should be reduced to a deacently sized paragraph of referenced materiel. Two short sub sections should have a link to Boston Pilgrims and Boston Americans as the respective main articles for each section.
I started looking at this as I was looking into editing the 1903 World Series article. Obviously, the Boston Pilgrims/Americans nickname problem is connected to the 1903 series. I was about to be bold and begin fixing this myself, but as I read the articles and looked at the problem itself I find myself realising what a large change this is. I am not a Red Sox fan, or even a particular expert at Red Sox history so the last thing I want to do is start an edit controversy on this page. The article needs work to fit into the encyclopedia, though. As it is, if you read/edit other parts of Wikipedia and come here this article as it stands is obviously not like the rest of the encyclopedia. --Ohms law 10:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname section