Template talk:User Asperger/Archive 1

message: Stop reverting each other.  I think several people are in violation of of the WP:3RR.  This is the talk page.  Use it. -- Samuel Wantman 22:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop 

message: I just think it looks better, it looks better big, and presumably the large amount of people who added it to their user pages in its present form have no problem with it either otherwise they wouldn't use it -_-
There is no reason to "standardize" all templates. It really doesn't matter that they're not all the same size.
As for trying to use "Asp" instead of Aspie... No. Thanks, we're not "snakes", not even metaphorically. --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 23:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Ec5618 

message: We seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot. Let me assure you that I have no intention of vandalising this template, nor do I desire to inflict pain. As I've told our kind moderator, Prodego, I noticed what appeared to be an error in a template a while back, and sought to fix it. You reverted within two minutes, and quickly called me a vandal. I do not take kindly to that, I'm sure you understand.
:I did not call you a "vandal" or indeed anything until after you instantly-reverted my change which could by no way be seen offensive to you at all. You did not make any effort to talk to me nor talk on the talk page here, yet later you accused me of not making enough effort to talk..
:It seems you're trying to distort what actually happened here when it's clear to see in the edit history.
::Please don't shout. I reverted immediately, because I assumed you had reverted what you believed was vandalism. I assumed you had made a mistake, as my edit wasn't detrimental. I now know you didn't make a mistake, but rather reverted an honest edit without comment. -- Ec5618 00:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I never said you were an "idiot": The point is that I don't understand why you are so vehement that the template be changed when you nor any of your friends use it: It doesn't affect you in any way. --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 23:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I, likewise, don't understand why you want to keep it as is so desperately. -- Ec5618 00:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not an "error", it's to make it easier for people to find the template (as they are looking at the category), as the template is the template that adds people to the category (other than actually typing in the category on a userpage itself). Another example would be :Category:Wikipedians against censorship which does the same thing --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 23:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

text: A quite. Thank you. I had been wondering. Since you never explained this before, I had no reason to see your version as the 'better' one. I specifically asked what the purpose of this categorisation was. Repeatedly. -- Ec5618 00:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I can read it fine. Maybe your screen is too dark or something. --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 23:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes. Perhaps. So why not change it so that all users, whatever their screen, can read the text. -- Ec5618 00:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: There is nothing wrong with it standing out, nor it not being a "standard size". It is not important that every template be the same size at all. --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 23:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps there are many more Wikipedian Aspies who do not use this template because it is too loud. You may not feel there is anything wrong, I considered that there might be. -- Ec5618 00:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I already said much of this in the edit summary, and you obviously saw what I said because you replied to it: You just chose to ignore me and carry on reverting. --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 23:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, I saw. You saw my edit summaries in the same way, and chose to ignore them. A proverbial kettle appears in my mind's eye, calling a pot black. -- Ec5618 00:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Of course. -- Ec5618 00:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Mistress Selina Kyle 

message: You're telling an Aspie to stop being obsessive?  Do you have any idea what the syndrome entails and what the primary symptom is?  :p  That is all.  Rogue 9 23:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should I know? Should I assume that an editor has a serious neurological condition, and tread carefully around them? I'm sorry, but I refuse to stare at the wheelchair, if you get my meaning. -- Ec5618 23:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't expect or want you to stare at the wheelchair, particularly as I don't consider it a disability in the literal sense.  FYI, two of the trademarks are obsessive-compulsive behavior and obsessive specialty on a certain subject to the point where the Aspergian knows that subject inside and out.  The first part leads to what we saw here, which is a problem when displayed on Wikipedia.  The second leads to brilliant article contributions in areas that are the Aspergian's obsessive specialty, which is indispensable.  However, all this is ancillary to what I was pointing out, and I didn't even intend it as a criticism; I simply found it funny that Selina Kyle was being told to stop being obsessive on a topic that she's basically bound to be obsessed about, namely her own syndrome.  Rogue 9 18:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not an established member of the Wikipedia community, so I won't comment on all the technical aspects of this page.  However, as a neurotypical who lived with an Aspie for the first eighteen years of her life and currently plans on working with autistic children for a living, I will say that obsessive-compulsive behavior is not a symptom of AS, much less a hallmark of the syndrome.  Yes, OCD and Aspergers are often comorbid, but that doesn't mean that the one is characteristic of the other.  The claim that people with AS are by definition obsessive-compulsive reflects a serious misunderstanding of the differences between obsessive-compulsive disorder and the "restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped behaviors, interests, and activities" that are characteristic of Aspergers.  People with AS are already vastly misunderstood, and when you misrepresent your disorder, you do them all a great disservice.  I don't mean to be rude, I just want to encourage you to be more careful with your research in the future. Alt0dos (talk) 17:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I understand that impulse.  I have Asperger's syndrome, and I know from very firsthand experience that it's not uncontrollable.  I don't expect special treatment, and don't think any of the rest of us do either.  I was simply pointing out that the behavior complained about is to be expected, though I didn't mean to imply that it should be condoned.  And I recognize what you're saying; I've more than once caught myself plowing ahead on a disputed edit because I simply wasn't empathizing with the other person in the way that a neuro-normal (as some of us call normal people) would.  It's a disadvantage, but not one that we can't learn to circumvent.  This isn't the time or place to launch into a lengthy explanation, so I'll leave off here.  Rogue 9 18:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mistress Selina Kyle was permanently blocked yesterday, so I guess that those Aspies that can't play by the rules will not make it.  My suggestion is to try and find mechanisms to help those who need it so that the permanent block is less frequently the solution. -- Samuel Wantman 23:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Has anyone considered creating Wikipedia:Asperger's Syndrome notice board as a place to discuss common concerns, related articles and such?  See Wikipedia:LGBT notice board (which I started) for an example. --Samuel Wantman 23:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, she was permanently blocked, and I vehemently object.  Again, not the place, but I intend to object long and loud on that one, particularly as the reason she gave for reverting this was one that she was told was SOP herself, namely that if you don't use a userbox, you shouldn't mess with it.  I am of the firm belief that in light of that message on her talk page, she was acting in good faith throughout this revert war; having been told that users who don't use a template shouldn't edit it, she proceeded to take that literally and enforce it.  I would have done the same thing.  Rogue 9 04:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I doubt that the revert war on this page was a big part in the permanent block.  Her conduct has been the topic of discussion for weeks.  For more background read this.     -- Samuel Wantman 06:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A note to Ec5618

message: Since Aspergers is an Autism Spectrum Disorder, wouldn't it be better if this userbox (and the accompanying category) were changed from the specific Aspergers Disorder/Syndrome to a more generalised Autism Spectrum Disorder userbox, considering how the criteria for diagnosis within the Autism Spectrum is everchanging?    --JFred 04:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Special club?  What do you have against Asperger's Syndrome and people that are diagnosed with it?  You act like it's not a real diagnosis or something, even though it is in the DSM-IV.  --JFred 16:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autism Spectrum Disorder