Talk:Indies

message: if i understand things correctly, the east indies were once known simply as the indies.
so does this mean that east indians were known simply as indians?
Gringo300 08:24, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier comments

message: The "Portuguese" were the "first" Europeans to set sail in the "East Indies", beginning in "1497"(late 15th century), who arrived in India, Sri Lanka and East Timor between 1500-1520, then followed by the "Spanish" in the early 16th century in "1521" who founded the Philippine Archipelago. 
The Dutch Explorers arrived 74 years later in "1595", who began exploring the land of what is now Indonesia.
Ok, but one "thing" I don't " understand"; why all the quotation "marks"?  "?"2.25.37.231 (talk) 15:52, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The First Europeans in the Spice Indies 

message: Need to get a better map....the one shown is stated as showing the indies, but based on the definition of indies, it doesn't !
:im not sure about that definition, i didnt think that the Indies included India (strange as that sounds) -- Astrokey44|talk 15:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The definition specifically excludes western New Guinea, which is presumably correct, but the map includes it. Nurg 02:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need better map 

message: I always thought the East Indies were just the islands of Indonesia - its also what it says in the britannica  . "Indies" by itself may also be referring to the West Indies (Caribbean)  -- Astrokey44|talk 15:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Indies was a collective term for the Asia-Pacific region lying outside the Oriental sphere. After the Dutch colonised Indonesia (see Dutch East Indies), the term Indies was used specifically used for this region so as to differentiate from British India. West Indies is called so because early European settlers actually thought that it was Indies. American Indian naming controversy!! Rings bells?? --128.210.59.31 04:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So close!  You got the nameing thing right, but you got the settlers thing wrong.  Columbus knew where he was going.  He knew that when he sailed across the Atlantic that he would end up in America.  HE HAD A MAP!  That map already showed the location of Puerto Rico and the surrounding islands!  He called the people he found there "en dios".  He wrote in his journal that they people reminded him of the descriptions of Adam and Eve in Genesis and how Adam was created in God's likeness.  Over time the words were combined and basterdized into Indians.  India wasn't even called "India" yet, and the term "Indies" didn't become popular until the Dutch created the East Indies Trading Company.  Heck! the Europeans didn't even sail to the Indies until after Colombus "discovered" America.Itzacho (talk) 07:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Heck! and heck again! A large number of Europeans had walked to India in a bunch and walked back again before the time of Christ. And they knew perfectly well it was there to visit and to conquer. Glance at Alexander the Great. And the name India and Indies comes from the (Indian) river, Indus. Eddaido (talk) 02:32, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  India?? 

message: I would strongly contend that:
"The New World was initially thought to be the easternmost part of the Indies by explorer Christopher Columbus, who had grossly underestimated the westerly distance from Europe to Asia. Later, to avoid confusion, the New World came to be called the "West Indies", whilst the original Indies came to be called the "East Indies"."
Christopher Columbus knew where he was going.  He had maps that showed the location of the islands that he was setting out to explore before he left Lisban!  The maps are held in the cartography libraries in Portugal.  If you want to see replications just take a look in the book, "1421: The Year China Discovered America", by Gavin Menzies.  Menzies is a retired Royal Navy submarine commander and took the maps that he found, and by adjusting the longitude to make up the cartography errors, and layed out solid evidence that Christopher Columbus had in his possession maps that showed the land that he was to "discover".Itzacho (talk) 07:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: If you guys are sure Indian Subcontinent is a geographical thing, then why don't we remove the non-geographical stuff from the article to South Asia or India (let's ignore the geopolitical OR for now). If it keeps closely corresponding the South Asia article, it should be merged into that article, as South Asia seems to be a term in wider usage at that. If it needs a separate existence then it should have it by being separate, as opposed to being similar to the South Asia article. An,d we should also remove this explicitly geographical region from the navbox for politically divided regions. Can we do that? Aditya(talk • contribs) 15:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I completely agree with you that this ought to be done.  I'm principally opposed to the merge proposal because we'll just have to do this as a split after the merge.  We should move most of the cultural material in Indian subcontinent to South Asia, and most of the geo material in South Asia to "see Indian subcontinent for further info".  I'm opposed to the merge for other reasons that need not be repeated here, but at the very least, we should exclude Indian subcontinent from the merge, perhaps putting an appropriate WP:split tag on it.  --arkuat (talk) 03:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: P. S. Perhaps this new section of discussion ought to be moved from Talk:Indies to Talk:Indian subcontinent, and a link to the section put into Talk:South Asia?   I'll do this later if no one else does first.  --arkuat (talk) 03:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Except for a couple of lines on politics, I don't see a whole lot of non-geographical stuff in that article. --Regents Park (sink with my stocks) 21:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume that by Geography we are meaning physical geography, as opposed to political geography, and I sincerely don't see much of that. Please, don't get me wrong. I am not trying to be a dick or something. It's just that the burden of evidence should lie with the editor who adds stuff, and I haven't seen that happening. Aditya(talk • contribs) 13:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I have all the good intentions to be there with you, time permitting, of course. Aditya(talk • contribs) 11:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the redundant from Indian Subcontinet article, then 

message: This article shows signs of needing a complete re-write - inadequate referencing and confusing in whether it is aligned to India, to the alledged indies or the east indies - as it stands it is a mess.
I would recommend that most of the article be gutted - and the three very different subjects be considered as separate articles rather than stay here - Indies 
# early exploration confusion about India and the 'west'/'east' indies issue be either subsumed into other article - or clearly identified separately in the article.
# East Indies - go to the current east indies stub - and have a specific title to work from (Indies is too ambiguous in my opinion to stay as is) - and work in that context
# Indian cultural imperialism - 'greater india' stuff - own separate article
As it stands with no refs/cites to mention (since when was Britannica a valid ref in Wikipedia? ) and potentially POV assertions within the article as it stands - it needs work SatuSuro 03:31, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tags

message: How come the Indian cultural sphere ends with Pakistan? Why isnt Afghanistan ilncluded? Or Iran? I mean it goes all the way to Indonesia on the East and only Pakistan on the West then? 71.105.87.54 (talk) 06:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I dont understand who decides the sphere?  

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