Talk:Valerian Ruminski

message: I've taken them out of the article and am putting them here for future reference and possible follow up. None of these are referenced, they don't really belong in an un-dated laundry list, and not all of them are notable.  
He is also a recipient of a Richard Tucker Career Grant [now incorporated with a reference], a William Mattheus Sullivan Foundation Grant, a 2004 Gerda Lissner Foundation Grant, a Liederkranz Prize, 1st Prize in the MacAllister Singing Competition [now incorporated with a reference], 1st Prize in the NJ Verismo Competition, 1st Prize in the Marcella Sembrich Competition in NYC, 1st Prize in the DiPanni Bel Canto Competition in Rhode Island, 1st Prize in the New York Singing Teachers Association (NYSTA) Coloratura Competition in NYC, 2nd Prize in the Altamura/Caruso Competition in Imola, Italy, and 2nd Prize in the Loren Zachary Competition in Los Angeles. He has also been recognized as the Outstanding Polish Citizen of Music by the Am-Pol Eagle newspaper in Buffalo, New York.
Voceditenore (talk) 11:04, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: I have listed a selection of roles and companies with references to reviews (for the most part) from 2000 to 2017. The article also listed the following, but I have not followed these up for now as they were undated, unreferenced, and did not indicate the role:  
Lyric Opera of Kansas City, Dallas Opera [now incorporated with a reference], Opera Pacific, Atlanta Opera, Syracuse Opera, Opera de Monte Carlo [now incorporated with a reference], Festival Lyrique de Belle Ile en Mer, and El Paso Opera.
Voceditenore (talk) 17:52, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various roles and opera houses 

message: Commented out concerts pending references: 
His concert appearances have included a Messiah with the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra, a Verdi Requiem for the Verdi Festival in Forli Italy Haydn's Creation at St. Joseph University in Philadelphia, and the Richard Tucker Gala on PBS in 1999 and 2000.
I've already added three others for which I have found references. He had a very small part in the Richard Tucker Gala of 1999, and I mean really small. I may add that, but it's rather over-egging the pudding. I suspect the Haydn was an AVA student performance. I cannot find anything for the Forli Verdi Requiem. Voceditenore (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerts etc.

message: As of 2007, an anonymous editor (probably the singer himself) had added the following uncited roles to the article (no venues):  (which I removed a few days ago). I'm not sure if they are useful, and of course they are more than 10 years out of date. Softlavender (talk) 08:21, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think on the whole, they're not worth it. The roles are very small and many  of them were in student productions when he was at AVA. They did at least 4 a year. See . Voceditenore (talk) 11:22, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roles added by anonymous editor 

message: "Selected recordings" as a header is deprecated as it implies a criteria for selection. I've added "Ruminski's recordings include:" there instead. However, the three currently listed are the only commercially released recordings. The listing in WorldCat includes several archival recordings of broadcasts and/or privately recorded recitals, but in my view a listing of those in the article is inappropriate. Voceditenore (talk) 13:41, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Recordings

message: On 22 August 2004 at Bard Music Festival, in a program called "Ideology and Individualism", the works performed were:http://www.bard.edu/news/releases/pr/fstory.php?id=691
*Sun over Our Homeland, Cantata, Op. 90 (1952)
*The Song of the Forests, Op. 81 (1949)
*Symphony No. 10 in E Minor, Op. 93 (1953)
For some reason the 13 August 2004 NYT article instead lists:http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/13/movies/critic-s-notebook-shostakovich-new-questions-new-clues.html
*October (apparently referring to: October, symphonic poem in C minor for orchestra, Op. 131)
*Song of the Forests 
*Symphony No. 10 in E minor
Whereas the 22 August NYT Music Listing lineup matches the Bard site's listing:http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/22/arts/music/music-listings.html
*Sun Over Our Homeland
*The Song of the Forests
*Symphony No. 10
Unless there's some proof otherwise, the citation should presumably match the official listing, especially since Sun Over Our Homeland is a cantata, which Ruminski would have sung in. If that work was not performed, then we should list his performance as simply Song of the Forests (rather than the name of the entire program). Softlavender (talk) 15:45, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Softlavender. The reason I didn't put the second work Sun Over Our Homeland is that it is a cantata scored for a children's choir and an adult choir only and doesn't appear to use soloists. The Song of the Forests is scored for 1 tenor and 1 bass. I'm assuming that's the only work he sang in during that program. But I'm not fussed one way or another, just phrase it the way you think best and use whichever ref you think best. Voceditenore (talk) 05:57, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your logic. OK, that said, I agree that Song of the Forests is how we should word it (and that's what this wiki article said before we started editing it), but I personally would like to use the citation that lists the correct works (even though the earlier cite has more background info). I'll change the cite to the Music Listing then .... Softlavender (talk) 06:09, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Works performed 22 August 2004 at Bard Music Festival