Talk:Kangaroo Island

message: Sorry Diceman, it was an edit gone wrong. I've been having issues with my connection lately, and before I had time to fix the fault, I lost it. --Cyberjunkie 05:58, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought something had gone haywire, I'm glad it wasn't you. :) Diceman 17:13, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Botched edit 

message: I deleted this section because 1) Wikipedia is not a travel agency - most of the time :-) 2) almost every informations in the Tourism section is included in the Wildlife section, and then don't need its own paragraph. --Sam67fr 13:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I re-added parts that I considered encyclopedic. Some content would be better written in prose and should be swapped and moved to other parts of the article but i dont have time right now. ...maelgwntalk 09:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourism 

message: recently moved some of the pictures to a gallery. I don't really like galleries and think that pictures on the side make an article easier to read and hold the readers attention more than the images at the bottom. IMHO I think they we should move them back :: maelgwn :: talk 01:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both arguments have merit.  I think in its current form, the article appears neater with the "tourist" style shots in a gallery.  With the current size of the article, that number of images tends to overtake and distract, so I think I marginally prefer the gallery at this stage.  Murtoa 22:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: It's untrue that Seaway only sailed "in calm weather".  If you take calm weather as meaning seas say less than a metre, or even two metres, Seaway certainly did sail under these conditions.Browning ave 09:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I felt it was worth mentioning that SeaWay was unable to sail under the same conditions that SeaLink could, it would have been better to reword it to your satisfaction rather than delete it wholesale. - Diceman 14:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded to express its comparative performance with SeaLink.  It would be ideal (but may be difficult) to get some third party confirmation of the reliability issue rather than the first-hand experience you allude to in the edit comment. Murtoa 12:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would have had something to do with the size of the boat and the movement of the cars on board. Also it had more distance to cover. Perhaps a boating expert could shed some light. - Diceman 15:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sea Transport 

message: To my knowledge there are no recorded shark attacks on swimmers on the south coast.Browning ave 06:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Peregrine (Perry) Morris was likely taken by a shark at Pennington Bay in about 1980. He would have been about 16 years old at that time. No body was ever found. The incident was witnessed by Perry's older sister. The Morris family lived near Pennington Bay at the time of the incident. Perry was a Boarder at Rostrevor College CBC, Adelaide for most of his secondary school education. 7Mar5ha11 (talk) 20:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: David Peregrine (Perry) Morris drowned at Pennington Bay in 1979. He was 17 years old at that time. His body was retrieved about a week later. The Morris family lived at Haines (Royston Park) at the time of the incident. [These corrections from an IP user,  203.220.138.166; reverted] and  transcribed by Doug butler (talk) 13:04, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifestyle 

message: There was a conflict of interest here, with a winemaker apparently writing about his own business (judging by the username of the contributor). So I've replaced it with a more general sentence about winemaking on the island. (p.s. since he used his own name, I don't think there's anything underhanded going on, just perhaps a misunderstanding of how WP works). Peter Ballard 12:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winery paragraph 

message: So here is my draft of an infobox. Infobox_Islands gives an example of how it is used. I dont like the width of the second map - so maybe we should change the infobox a little to allow the width to be changed - or just subst it on KI page? It needs more details still :: maelgwn :: talk 03:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for drafting it.  Have to say it looks a bit bulky and unwieldy; dare I say it, but this particular infobox template doesn't add a lot more critical info than what we've already got there.  Although I recognise that it assists in the grading of the article.     Suggest that if it is proceeded with, the width is cut back.  Might be worth some thought about the other parameters at the bottom of the box.  The "total islands" field is redundant - the "Island" in "Kangaroo Island" is somewhat self-explanatory!  Murtoa 10:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the infobox is perfectly satisfactory as it is.  I can see (and appreciate) that you'd like to tweak it before instituting it, but surely you could do this while it is there?  The infobox as is is preferable to what is currently on the Kangaroo Island article.  The images themselves - the maps; these are what I'd think need the most work. I can't promise I'll do that, but I could. - The Chairman 13:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  infobox 

message: I deleted reference to the majority of the River's population living outside of the township. Unlike Parndana, which is a proclaimed Govt. township, and quite small in area, the township of American River is spread over a relatively large area. It encompasses the older part of the town, centred around the hall and post office, the coastal area towards the oval, and the areas developed in the 1970's above the original township.Browning ave 11:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: American River

message: The article says 1994 but that is definitely wrong because I rode it in 1993. Also in 1985 a student who was staying with us took a day trip to KI. I always thought he went by bus + ferry but maybe he flew. Peter Ballard 03:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did the Pennesshaw-Cap Jervis service begin? 

message: Whilst the ligurian bee and honey products are important to Kangaroo Island, Ligurian Honey Farms would be considered a generic description and as such, not a particular place of interest.Browning ave (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 06:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How many are there on KI? Murtoa (talk) 07:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: about 30 farms in 2006 http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1651920.htm I understand it might not be a place but there is certainly a fair amount of promotion - Clifford's leading the Google charge but I don't think I would want to promote one over the category --Matilda talk 07:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - in which case I think leave it out of the tourist bit as the activity is currently covered under "Population and Economy" (and that section could now include some of the content you've dug out) Murtoa (talk) 08:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ligurian Honey Farms 

message: Why is there a massive gap underneath the 'History' section?
can someone please fix this? 129.96.126.4 (talk) 04:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't a gap on my screen.  Maybe has something to do with your screen resolution/size.  Sometimes the text allied with pictures paginates in an unexpected way according to individual set-up.  Murtoa (talk) 23:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Gap 

message: Early Settlement.
Local knowledge relates that a party of 3(?) non-indigenous settlers, with their native "Wives" were resident at Antechamber Bay, at the eastern end of the Island, in the early 1800's, prior to official white settlement. It is some 42km ESE of the Reeves Point settlement established by the South Australia Company in 1836. The party included John "King Wally" Waller, a large an impossing fellow, (???) Bates and (???). This party were sealers and possibly escaped convicts or deserted sailors. Their behaviour and interaction with the official white settlement would suggest they had something to hide. It is not difficult to imagine that they sought isolation, well away from existing settlements in NSW, Tasmania and Victoria. 
When discovered, Waller and company appeared to be living an indigenous lifestyle, living in bark huts and wearing animal skins. Antechamber Bay has good water in Chapman River, which would also have afforded a safe harbour from the southerly storms, and hidden from any passing shipping, abundant wild life and excellent fishing in the waters nearby. There are three small islets at the southern entrance to Backstairs Passage, called The Pages, which would have afforded excellent opportunities for the taking of Seals. 
There were young children in the Waller party when discovered. The age of the children would suggest that Waller's party were not resident from 1802, as detailed elsewhere; more likely after Flinders' discoveries had become known.
The indigenous women were "stolen" from the mainland, as there were no indigenous residents on the Island at that time. The indigenous women were most reluctant to travel to the Island as, it is said, that Karta was the, "land of spirits" to the mainland tribes. 
I have long been curious about the legal circumstances of the first official settlement, in light of the fact that Antechamber Bay had already been settled, and what rights Waller and company should have retained.
Source documents were available at Hope Cottage Museum, Centenary Avenue, Kingscote. http://www.hopecottagemuseum.com/ (I am indebted to Mrs Carter for her caring and assistance. Unfortunately i now live far to distant to access much of the source material that is available on Kangaroo Island and in Adelaide and elsewhere).
I would be most surprised if some of the descendants of Waller and Company do not survive today. I have read some source material about the female descendants of these families, where it was said that there were no surviving male descendants by about the 1950's, to preserve the family names. There are however members of the Bruce family, the males of which are generally known as "Darky". The Darky Bruce i knew was a most superb horseman, though somewhat estranged from regular Island community. I attended Kingscote Area School with a "Hammond" Waller, though the one time i asked him if his family were connected to King Wally, he was most quick to deny that fact. I still wonder. 
Of course the political situation until relatively recently, with discrimination against indigenous and mixed blood people, it is known that these descendants had reason to hide their heritage. I hope that situation has changed in these more enlightened times. No doubt many would have most interesting stories to tell and would be a wealth of knowledge of Island history.
7Mar5ha11 (talk) 22:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I'm not aware of the section containing anything false, but it is not written as an encyclopaedia article so I put the "Essay-Like" template on this section. Examples include: 
:"The oft repeated legend of the birth of the Ligurian bee sanctuary appears on a multitude of web sites dealing with Kangaroo Island's :famous honey bees. The reality is more complex than the simple but incorrect version that twelve Ligurian queen bees were brought to the :island from Italy by August Fiebig in 1881. The implication is the quarantine gates were then locked forever after and all the honey :bees on the island since then owe their lineage to those original twelve queens. Not so! It didn’t happen that way.
Not sure what happened to my comment on the main page to explain what I did. Sorry!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanShearer (talk • contribs) 20:25, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The flavour also appears to reflect original research.  If that's not the case, it desperately requires independent sources.  If the section is to remain at this length, I think it warrants its own article as it occupies space in the KI article disproportionate to its significance. Murtoa (talk) 03:46, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: sources are a must. I grew up there, saw the bees, references may be hard to get Valkyrie 06 (talk) 23:18, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ligurian Bees 

message: In researching a new page on Joseph Whittaker (botanist) from England who had Australian connections around 1839 to 1840, its likely that we can add some very useful early history to this section in due course, as well as some  some modern information on the number of plant taxa and endemic plant species (39 taxa). For now our own page is still being assembled  with more information in this source: Kraehenbuehl DN, Moyes N. 1999 Joseph Whittaker: early English botanical visitor to South Australia. S. Austral. Nat. 73. (3-4): 44-60 (1999) Parkywiki (talk) 23:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wildlife and its protection 

message: What makes a settlement "official"?  If people build houses and live there, is it not a settlement until someone stamps a paper or something? —Tamfang (talk) 08:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed; see European settlement of South Australia. Thanks for pointing this out. Graham87 14:39, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Missed one: "Originally established at Reeves Point on 27 July 1836, [Kingscote] is South Australia's first official European settlement."  Can I remove the word, or should it be replaced with some other? —Tamfang (talk) 03:38, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I deliberately left that in because I thought it was OK in that case, but I've gone and changed "official European" to "colonial"; that sounds better anyway IMO. Graham87 15:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. —Tamfang (talk) 20:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  whatever it was, I guess it happened in 1836 

message: I have just added a ‘verify source’ tags to the infobox for the following reason.  I looked at the 1983 version of the Royal Australian Navy chart, Gulf of St Vincent and Approaches, and discovered that Prospect Hill has a height of  and is not the highest point on Kangaroo Island.  There are numerous places higher than Prospect Hill.  The three highest points which I can find in a quick read of the chart are all on or adjoining the north coast of KI (from west to east) are Cape Torrens , Castle Hill  and Mount Macdonnell .  It is likely that the latter is the highest point; however I would like to find a reliable source other than a chart before amending the article.  By the way, I just noticed this subject had been briefly discussed on the TALK page (refer the subject of INFOBOX).  Cowdy001 (talk) 02:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Reliable source found and article updated.Cowdy001 (talk) 00:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest point on Kangaroo Island (KI) 

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