Talk:Ergotism

message: What the hell does the reference to the gallows mean here:
Similar eruptions of ergotism also occurred in Essex and Fairfield counties in Connecticut that damp and cool season, though in Connecticut no one went to the gallows. Notable epidemics of ergotism, at first seen as a punishment from God, occurred up into the 19th century. Fewer outbreaks have occurred since then, because in developed countries rye is carefully monitored.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.71.37 (talk) 06:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: note

message: This page is lacking more information on witchcraft in magic. Any additions would be appretiated.11-29-07  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seantm21182 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they will in beer.  (Not sure about in distilled alcohol).  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4488688/ 206.152.128.33 (talk) 04:32, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

text: It is an alkaloid of the ergoline family. Hugo Dufort 12:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: Ergotism can be brought on by ergotamine tartrate or dihydroergotamine, both of which are used in the treatement of headaches and migraines...   This should probably be added to the main article.   --74.179.115.125 (talk) 12:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  pharmacologic ergotism 

message: I have read that the Pied Piper myth has it's roots in a Medieval Ergot poisoning 'event'.
I have no supporting material that would lead me to include it here but if you do can you add it to the article? Pafcwoody (talk) 05:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, the Pied Piper tale is not a myth but a legend or folk story or etc. And there's no reason to link it to ergot poisoning. We would need reliable sources to mention it. DreamGuy (talk) 14:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

text: This was the basis of an SF story by Robert Holdstock, To Lay the Piper, which first appeared in a university fanzine in 1973.  Time travellers go back to investigate the Pied Piper story and find the townsfolk, driven mad by the disease, killed their own children and invented the piper story as a cover-up.  I suspect Holdstock invented the idea.2A00:23C6:1683:4D01:6D7F:9D16:211A:C360 (talk) 09:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pied Piper 

message: First, I think that most of the material from the LSD page referring to ergot should be moved over here.  It does a far better job than this.  There are a few things here that could be kept, but it could be better organized.
Second, WHERE ARE THE CITES!!!?  I see declarations in every sentence with no support.  There are a few things I'd like to look up, but there is no reference material external to the article that supports many of these statements.
Lastly - medical facts;  Cafergot does not cause ergotism.  Dihyroergotamine does not cause ergotism.  I used to use cafergot on a regular basis, and now I use DHE on a regular basis.  Both are ergot based vasoconstrictors used for migraine control.  A vasoconstrictor contracts the smooth muscle tissue surrounding blood vessels.  The effect only lasts as long as the drug takes to metabolize, with a controlled dose being in the 1 to 2 milligram range.  It is very effective, which is why ergot poisoning victims lost limbs to gangrene - those extremities were shut off, and received no fresh blood supply which had less of the drug which would have relaxed the blood vessels.
Chronic use of modern ergot based drugs does not cause ergotism as far as I am aware - as I said, the effects only last as long as it takes to metabolize the drug.  Dmummert (talk) 18:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Lastly - medical facts; Cafergot cause ergotism: there are facts. (eg with macrolid) I will try to cite. --Pinof (talk) 12:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few points here; 

message: Where is the information on treatment? I'm pretty sure that it is controlled doses of Sodium Nitroprusside.
-xXDFliyerzXx  — Preceding unsigned comment added by XXDFliyerzXx (talk • contribs) 03:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Ahem...

message: The mass poisoning at Pont-Saint-Esprit in 1951 was definitely not mercury poisoning. The possibility of mercury poisoning was thoroughly investigated at the time and ruled out, and all signs conclusively pointed to ergot poisoning:
* There was no kidney damage as is typical in mercury poisoning
* There were no sore gums, loosening of teeth, ashen color to the mouth, or strong metallic taste as is typical in mercury poisoning
* There were no renal lesions as is typical in mercury poisoning
* No effective quantity of mineral poison was detected in bread and flour samples
* Ergot and unknown alkaloids were discovered and confirmed in bread samples
* Observed symptoms were typical of extreme cases of ergot poisoning: convulsions, diarrhea, psychotic delusions and hallucinations, and gangrene.
See The Day of St. Anthony's Fire for more information. Kaldari (talk) 23:04, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mercury poisoning and Pont-Saint-Esprit 

message: So I do realize that there can be a variation of quality in someone's journalistic output through their lifetime, but this book was written by John G. Fuller.
The book appears to be out of print, but I do wonder about the reliability of this source. I'm hoping someone else can chime in, though I may wind up asking over at WP:RSN anyway. -- [UseTheCommandLine ~/talk] #_  03:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and posted at RSN already. -- [UseTheCommandLine ~/talk] #_  04:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuller's Book, "The Day of St. Anthony's Fire" considered [[WP:RS]]? 

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message: The two articles, Ergotism and Ergot, appear unhelpfully linked:  The Ergot article's section on the effects of ergot on humans, notes the Ergotism article as being the "main article" for this, however, the Ergotism article seems to add little more information to that contained in Ergot section, other that on ergotism's connections to witchcraft.  Consequently, and as there is already an inline link to it in Ergot, I have deleted the sub-heading link there, and have added an inline link into the Ergotism article linking to the Ergot article's section on the effects of ergot on humans.  The Ergotism article needs to be expanded to include at least all the information in Ergot article on the subject to be referred to from there as the main article. The ergotism article lede states that ergotism refers only to "the effect of  ergot poisoning"LookingGlass (talk) 13:22, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ergotism and Ergot 

message: I was under the impression that the name came from St. Anthony himself, a saint who became a hermit in the Egyptian desert and there suffering from horrible "demons", hallucinations, similar to the ones one would experience suffering from ergotism. And not named after the order which was specifically founded to combat said disease, as is implied under History. 77.166.233.243 (talk) 22:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the name St. Anthony's Fire