Talk:HM Prison Shepton Mallet

message: I'm removing, from the list of Public Records evacuated to the prison during WW2, the reference to "the "scrap of paper" signed by Hitler and Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain at the Munich Conference of September 1938", which seems particularly implausible. (a) This would still have been an "active" document during the war, held by the Foreign Office or similar, and not by the Public Record Office. (b) The term "scrap of paper", although it has occasionally been used in modern times to refer to the Munich Treaty, much more commonly refers to the Treaty of London (1839), which guaranteed the independence of Belgium, and so provided the diplomatic basis for Britain going to war in 1914. That seems more likely to have been the document that went to Shepton Mallet. I've tried to check this out from the PRO end: the official history (Cantwell) confirms the total of 300 tons (I'm adding the reference), but – apart from Domesday Book – doesn't mention specific items. Until anyone can come up with something authoritative, I think it's best to take the reference out. GrindtXX (talk) 00:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "scrap of paper" 

message: An IP added a rambling paragraph challenging the claim that (prior to closure) Shepton Mallet was the oldest operational prison, on the grounds that Lancaster Castle was first recorded as being used as a prison in 1196. Britmax rightly reverted, but the IP may have had a point. The key point seems to be that although (like most medieval castles) Lancaster did, among its many functions, hold prisoners, and contained the county gaol from an early date, it did not formally open as a convict prison until 1955. I suspect we need an extra qualifying adjective here, like "the oldest purpose-built operational prison" or "the oldest self-contained operational prison". Any ideas? GrindtXX (talk) 19:59, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the point in the lead is that when it closed it was the oldest operating prison. The IP addition said that "HMP Lancaster Castle which closed in 2011" therefore when Shepton closed it had been "the oldest" for a couple of years.— Rod talk 20:53, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest prison 

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message: Finished. What a fine article. Feel free to query me about anything you don't understand or disagree with. Or just revert it.
I don't see a way around the 'lists' issue. For the executions you could simply remove the bullet points and leave each as a paragraph. But to me that would reduce accessibility. I have seen good articles go to FA with similar so hopefully this won't be an issue.
I do feel that at times some of the information gets a bit trivial. "German prisoners of war were, at one point, used to help with the loading of the lorries", "The occupants of the cell were found elsewhere in the prison." Not sure that some of this passes WP:N. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your copy edit (especially things like dashes & non breaking spaces which I never get right). I will take another look at finding the final references & consider the "trivial" bits you have identified.— Rod talk 14:08, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy to help. At the risk of making a suggestion which has already occurred to you, have you thought of converting you lists to tables. Given the repetitive nature of the categories of information this might work well. Eg, as in this article: Megas logothetes. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit 

message: Congratulation the article has been tagged GA. WPCW (talk) 20:36, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Congratulations

message: Hi, I'm wondering if it's appropriate to identify subjects by their race (e.g. white, black, Hispanic..) in this section, considering that race is not of primary relevance in their crimes/executions nor is it consistently included in descriptions of the men. It just comes off as kind of weird, as if race has inherent relevance in crimes involving rape/murder. I do understand the history of racially-motivated convictions for such crimes in the United States but am not sure if this information is appropriate or warranted here. 
This in mentioned briefly above as something that was discussed previously, but I'd like to hear someone's argument for keeping it. 
Skogsdyr (talk) 20:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: this is (to put it in neutral terms) just too much detail for a topic that is relatively minor within the overall article, and should be deleted. The fact that the executed men were disproportionately black or Hispanic is mentioned (and sourced) in the second paragraph of the section, and that should certainly remain; but there's absolutely no need to identify the individuals by race (especially as we appear not to have the information for all of them). GrindtXX (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Mentioning of Race in 2.3, American Military Executions

message: Hi @Rodw. I'm trying to empty a few categories at the  GA cleanup listing, and was wondering if you could review the edits from the COI editor a few years back and bring this up to snuff. Thanks! Femke (alt) (talk) 12:39, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi @Femke. I presume this relates to edits in Sept 2000 by User:Josephinebeasley. Many of which were reverted at the time. I note you removed the ghost stuff. I have added some references for the media stuff etc & removed the COI banner. If you spot anything else let me know and I will take a look.— Rod talk 14:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy with neutrality now, thanks! :). I did add one cn tag in the sale and tourist attraction (previously future) section. That sentence suffers from a news-style "it was announced" structure too. Femke (alt) (talk) 14:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing COI content/banner