Talk:UEFA Champions League 2006-07/Archive 2

message: Let me also summarise the facts. If you disagree with any of the statements, feel free to strike it out (don't remove) and provide a replacement if possible. Feel free to add relevant facts if I omit any. Conscious 20:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What we can agree on

message: *Display  for Zeta,  for Serbian clubs
#My vote is option #1.  I agree that is should be WP:LAME first of all :)  I think my opinion is clearly stated but to re-emphasize, I think we should display  for clubs in Montenegro and  for clubs in Serbia, with a note that teams qualified to the tournaments as members of the Football Assocation of Serbia and Montenegro. In my opinion, it is very unencyclopedic to display a flag of a non-existant country in a current events article. --Lowg 19:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option one

message: *Display  for all clubs
#I go for option 2. They qualified as representatives of Serbia & Montenegro. It's a similar position to when East & West Germany merged, for the first season of merged competitions there was still UEFA representatives from East Germany, despite the country and the league not  existing anymore. Next season, of course teams will represent either Serbia OR Montenegro. - fchd 20:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option two

message: *Display  and  for Zeta,  and  for Serbian clubs
#Second choice. Conscious 11:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option three

message: *Display  and  for all clubs
#Second choice--Lowg 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option five

message: This basically comes down to whether we want to flags to represent where the teams qualified from, or who they are representing. Seeing as the former is historical, I would say the latter is more relevant to this page. Some here have said that they are still representing SCG, however this is not the case because (a) the federation no longer exists, (b) any progress they make in this competition will earn coefficient points for the new federations and (c) if one of the new federations was expelled from UEFA, only the teams of that nation would be barred. So in no official manner are they "representing" SCG. If you still think how they qualified is more important to this page that who they currently represent, then that is a different issue. ed g2s • talk 14:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's really the root of this dispute. I would say these teams represent the SCG federation even though they're earning points for their new federations. They are, after all, the final Serbia-Montenegrin champions, runners-up, cup winners, etc. That's perfectly logical to me. - Pal 22:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who the teams are representing

message: Lowg, Pal, can I assume that you support the idea of holding a poll and inviting other editors to participate? Conscious 20:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely, and I've already encouraged others to join in on the Football Project page. - Pal 20:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Option 3 is a compromise isn't it? Even though it would look a little ugly - MTC 10:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it as one, but may be there's a better solution... Conscious 13:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a flag represents country not a football federation.  But if people think that flag should represent a football federation, another suggestion that came up was the use the flags of both countries, instead of a non-existant country.  I will add this as an option.--Lowg 14:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding countries versus federations this is not the case. For UEFA articles, it has always been the case that the flags represent the federation of the club. That is why Derry City always has an Irish flag despite being from Northern Ireland (see here). Likewise, AS Monaco always has a French flag despite being from Monaco (see here). - Pal 15:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes also, for UEFA site, it has always been the case that the flags represent the country and federation of current countries and current federations, not non-existant countries and non-existant federations.  Please see here for an example.Lowg 00:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Option One is still being used on the pages, even though Option Two was voted the better option. If I change the flags myself it will probably start another edit war, so is anything going to be done about this? - MTC 06:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Section continues

message: Another possible compromise would be to create split flags, like :Image:European-Austrian flag hybrid.svg or :Image:United Kingdom-England flag hybrid.svg, and use those for this one special occasion to signify they qualified as part of , but now represent  and . I think this would be a very good compromise, actually. —Nightstallion (?) 19:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a better compromise than using two flags which would look really ugly, but I think that split flags would still not be very pretty. I think we are better trying to reach an agreement on using a single flag. Dan1980 (talk | stalk) 07:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Add it as an option and see if anyone votes for it. Although in my opinion this is the worst suggestion yet. - MTC 07:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another compromise suggestion

message: To stop the edit war. It's not a significant issue, as long as there is a footnote. ed g2s • talk 20:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has been unprotected to allow the article to remain up to date. A conclusion should be taken from the poll, say 1 week from now (20:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: Completely seperately from the SCG thing: The UEFA website lists the 3rd Qualifying Round game Slovan Liberec v Spartak Moscow this way around, not the way it is shown on the current Wikipedia page, they need swapping - MTC 10:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Sam Vimes | Address me 10:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes during page protection

message: Not that it will really make a difference. Does anyone know the rule of who gets the top spot for the group stage draw? Kingjeff 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The 4 pots for the group stage draw

message: FIFA has threatened the Italian federation of suspension. What effect would this have on all the Italian teams. Kingjeff 18:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Serie A Scandal

message: I was just looking for some clarification on this subject, Динамо Київ is the Ukrainian version of the club's name with the transliterated version being Dynamo Kyiv, however the official English name of the city is Kiev which is used on this site. So I was basically wondering when is right to use which, because by the current 'rule' shouldn't Spartak Moscow be listed as Spartak Moskva? --shanda 16:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kyiv/Kiev