Talk:History of lesbianism

message: While the material looks good, the whole unsourced viewpoint of the narrative suggests original research. It is speculated...' - who speculated? I think the specific Sappho detail would be better merged into Sappho. Tearlach 13:55, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted this Sep 4th 2005 edit labelled "wikified further and removed tag" because it reintroduced spelling mistakes, altered headings to a non-standard form, and lost a great chunk off the end of the article, including the categories. Tearlach 10:39, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: I have removed the most egregious copyright infringeing materials.  There are still more unattributed copyright protected quotes in this article. This entire page is full of strong POV.  It's really too much to fix with a simple edit and needs serious workovers for which I have no time or interest. Good luck.  Ande B. 07:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sappho

message: I put in a request for expert attention to this page, it really needs it.  I also removed the request to merge this article with the Sappho article because it has been sitting here for months with no responses.  Also, this page serves a totally different and much broader purpose than the Sappho page.  Ande B 07:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cry for help!

message: I am going to review and make a decision whether this article should be proposed for deletion.  From what I've been able to construe, it is lifted directly from another article with little or no changes whatsoever, making it a copyright concern.  While the other article might have copied from this one, I'm not sure.  The article in question may be found at http://experts.about.com/e/h/hi/history_of_lesbianism.htm.  I welcome discussion even before I propose its deletion, but hearing none, and if after rereading the criteria for AfDs, I may propose that this article be taken down.  Cheers!  Chuchunezumi 22:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible deletion

message: Should this article mention the punishment of gay men and lesbians in Hell in the apocryphal Apocalypse of Peter?  It could be slightly unusual to come across mention of lesbians from that period, even if only to condemn them?
"32 And other men and women being cast down from a great rock (precipice) fell (came) to the bottom, and again were driven by them that were set over them, to go up upon the rock, and thence were cast down to the bottom and had no rest from this torment. And these were they that did defile their bodies behaving as women: and the women that were with them were they that lay with one another as a man with a woman."
You were warned! PatGallacher (talk) 13:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Apocalypse of Peter

message: There are no specific references to Lesbians.  The Romans verse is talking about something Women are doing, but is only specified as Gay when Men do it.  Clearly Anal sex is what's in mind.  But not all agree any of these verses condemn Homosexuality at all, just specific Pagan practices.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.228.166 (talk) 22:13, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The Entire Canonical New Testament paragraph is wrong 

message: Just as the subject line says... I was amazed when the history of lesbianism only went to 1049??? I would say that the last 100 years would be of vastly more importance. Why hasn't anyone gone further forward in time? -- 69.151.64.188 (talk) 14:55, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs to progress further in time than just 1049 to be relevant  

message: Currently the article is significantly focused on the US and UK, with occasional forays into the state of affairs elsewhere in Europe and a few mentions of the Arab world.  Missing entirely is any discussion of:
* Anywhere in Asia
* Anywhere in the New World before it began to interact with Europe
* Anywhere in sub-saharan Africa
* Anywhere in South/Central America
it would be great if anyone who has any level of knowledge of the history of female same-sex relationships/sex in any of these places could either add some relevant stuff to the article, or give some pointers to sources that other people might want to look at here.
Relatedly, I'm not sure about the organisation of the article at the moment.  The periodisation is very western-centric, the most egregious example being the section on modern history, where modern is essentially defined as "post-Stonewall", though "medieval" and "early modern" are fairly Eurocentric concepts too.  I'm not sure what the best way to fix this any still maintain any semblance of a coherent article is, though. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, Lesbian seems to have rather more historical information than does this article.  Rwessel (talk) 02:15, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've looked at the Lesbian article, and it's got some stuff which is much better than this article.  I'm going to take inspiration (and reading suggestions!) from there, but I thought I'd open up a discussion on the talk page here in case anyone reading this article has any suggestions Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 13:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I mentioned it because if there's going to be a "history of" article, it would normally be because the main article is too large, and the history has been broken out.  So the two choices are really merging what's different/unique here back into Lesbian, and deleting this article (rather turning it into a redirect to the history section of main article), or doing this article properly by moving most of the historical stuff from the main article here (and leaving only a summary, and link, there).  Lesbian is fairly large, so that would tend to argue for the second option.  Note that this article appears to have a fairly independent history from Lesbian, and was never started as a split from the main article.  What I'm really saying is what's required here is a merge of some sort.  Rwessel (talk) 23:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, this was already discussed in 2011 (see above, Expanding this?), with no apparent action.  Rwessel (talk) 23:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Another option would be to rename this article "History of Lesbianism in Western Culture" because as it stands now, that's pretty much what it is. If this article is to be globalized, and kept as a separate article without bringing in the historical info from Lesbianism, it would need  to expand upon or go into greater detail than what already exists in the Lesbianism article. I do see that Caeciliusinhorto and others have done some expansion since 2011. Having a separate, more expanded article does have some advantages, for those who want to delve more deeply into the history.  If consensus is to keep this article and globalize it, new geographic sections would need to be added. ABF99 (talk) 17:05, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Globalization 

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message: This article seems lacking in a couple of categories. I noticed that the Mexican poet Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz wasn't mentioned at all, nor were the Daughters of Bilitis. Both seem fairly important in understanding the history of lesbianism not just in Europe but in other places as well. Unfortunately, I haven't done enough research on either to add them in just yet, and I'm certain there are many other people missing. I'm also not sure what the best way to integrate the two in would be, so if anyone has suggestions that would be awesome.
MultiverseTheory42 (talk) 07:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sor Juana... and Others 

message: This article should either be called "History of lesbianism in the Europe/North America" or else should add considerable sections on gay women in other parts of the world.
Jackie.salzinger (talk) 12:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "". I'm just throwing in a couple of cents: this article's title is "History of lesbianism" -- not "History of gay women". Before the identity activism of the 1970s–early 1980s, lesbians were the unacknowledged half of the homosexual community, in which male and female homosexuals were all referred to as "gay", knowing full well that "gay" is associated with homosexual males. For some, "lesbian" sounded like a 'dirty word'. For many, it upended patriarchal social and sexual expectations. Lesbian, lezzy, lezzo, lesbo. That's all Folks! Pyxis Solitary  (yak). L not Q. 05:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eurocentrism—change to header or content needed 

message: Some sources about lesbian historiography may be of use to this article. They may also be useful for a split-off called Lesbian historiography.
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Thanks, Urve (talk) 05:12, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historiography 

message: There were no traces of homosexuality in Egypt and the picture that yoshi and Elliot keeps reverting back to this topic is false. Idet and RIU WERE SISTERS, not lovers. furthermore, there are no sources out of the 115+ references that deliberately highlight or provide evidence to the claim they were trying to stick in on the behalf of homosexuality in Egypt or the picture they keep reposting yet trying to etch this case as history. 2600:4040:72E5:3400:B001:5F30:97FE:D5A (talk) 02:51, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  HOMOSEXUALITY IN EGYPTIAN CULTURE IS FALSE INFORMATION