Talk:Michelle Rhee

message: As so often happens someone has gifted an article with tags and no guiding comments on the talk page.  If no one can elaborate as to why they think the tone is inappropriate or how the grammar or style of the article is lacking, I will remove these tags within in the  next couple of days.  --Cjs56 (talk) 03:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the ending section talking about Ms. Rhee's children and husband to be potentially inappropriate.  They are properly sourced, but should be considered during a re-write.  I did not place the tone/inappropriate tags on the page, so the originator may have other ideas why it was tagged this way.  DutchTreat (talk) 17:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited the "Personal life" section to remove some information on Rhee's family, and have removed the tone tag.  --Cjs56 (talk) 19:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I removed the Personal Life section entirely.  Its very existence seemed to me in not keeping with an encyclopedic tone.  Rhee is notable for one very good reason, so information about her family in the body of the article seems trivial.  I left the info in the infobox.  Also, I apologize for not knowing how to fix the messed-up reference list at the bottom of the article now.  A little help, please, or please restore the personal life section if you strongly disagree.  Mitchell k dwyer (talk) 13:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

text: its a wild shot, but shes not relaited to Syngman Rhee right?? they have symilaryl distinctiv enatesm but is undersnt ad tin f the la ot m Smith Jones (talk) 23:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tags

message: I deleted the politics section (which was fairly short) as I don't know that it was useful, and if it was, I couldn't tell what the point was.  Feel free to revert, but please explain why. Hobit (talk) 02:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics section

message: Why is her name shown in Hangul? Are we claiming she's a foreigner?... I'll remove it. Please discuss. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea how having her Korean name would make a claim that she's a foreigner.  On the other hand, the infobox on the article directly states that she is American.  If the Hangul just spells out her English name, I would agree with the removal.  But the Hangul actually spells out her Korean name, which is another name she has beside her English name.  I'm reverting.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add  to that. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reference added.  First sentence says "한국명 이양희" - Korean Name Yi Yanghŭi.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sufficient. Does not indicate she actually uses it in the U.S. Even the source calls her 미셸 리 as primary name. Added . Bring me a US birth-certificate or passport/ID-copy that shows this name. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 07:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You know that's nearly impossible to find online.  And a US birth certificate would definitely not have this name.  Chosun Ilbo is a major newspaper in South Korea.  It's reliable.  Yeah the source transliterates her English name, but I'm not trying to rename the article.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is that whatever some Korean newspaper writes is pretty much useless here. We don't give Shinseki in Japanese, either, though I'm sure you'll find Japanese newspapers spelling it エリック・シンセキ. Both Rhee and Shinseki are American -- what foreign newspapers write isn't relevant here. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 04:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that we cannot use foreign newspapers as sources?  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:01, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We certainly can use foreign newspapers as a source, but not when it comes to the spelling of people's names, unless they are foreigners. Thus my initial question: is Rhee a citizen of Korea (North or South), or possibly, was she born in Korea? Neither case seems to apply. (One example for the latter case would be this one general, who was born in Georgia...what's his face... John Shalikashvili) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 05:31, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly - Is this a WP policy?  Or an arbitrary rule that you made up?  Secondly - Like I said before, this is not a spelling of Rhee's name in Korean.  It is another name that she has.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:05, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I can read Hangul, so I see it's a different name. As far as policy goes, I would sum it up under WP:BLP, but I am unable to find anything more there. The naming policy for people seems to only apply to the article's title. (To make this clear: I won't edit-war you on this, it's not really that important to me; I am just somewhat dumbstruck right now that no-one seems to have brought it up anywhere, for any biography, apparently... so I'll remove the  for now, and will raise the question over at the guidelines. We'll see what they say...) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 06:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

text: So we have an answer (that's not really enlightening, I admit) which points to WP:BLP. Since there is no indication that Rhee actually uses this name, I'll reinsert  Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 09:17, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hangul

message: Should the article about Michelle Rhee give an alternate name in Korean and Hangul? 
The article about Michelle Rhee contains a Korean alternate name in Hangul which - according to a Korean newspaper - is another name she has. However, she is American, born in the U.S., and to my knowledge, there is no indication that she actually uses this name. I have had an interesting discussion with another editor on the article's talkpage about this, and now find myself at a loss as to whether or not there is a convention/policy concerning such cases. What say ye? Any thoughts on this?
This is a minor issue, and in my mind not about "winning or losing". I am simply interested in more input here. Thank you. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 09:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems there was a consensus to include the name, however, I don't see why the description cannot be shortened for readability and to avoid undue emphasis, especially since she was US born. So, I removed links to the WP articles on Hangul, systems of transliteration, and the less modern of the two "romanized" spellings. I also put this condensed version of the other name in the lead, where it's usually found.. If someone wants to move it back to the infobox, that's ok with me, but the usual treatment is to put the names in the lead, see e.g. Sukhee Kang. KeptSouth (talk) 17:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC:

message: As noted in my edit summary, I restored two sentences added by Newspawaws and removed by NW, but merged them into the previous section (where they fit quite nicely).  I feel that A) it's pretty clearly true and B) it's very relevant to the section (about firings) because it addresses some of the reasons for the firings. Hobit (talk) 00:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Firings section

message: The article is messed up right now because it is missing the reflist template for the list of footnotes.  But I can't add it back in because there are four sources from examiner.com and apparently examiner.com is currently blocked by Wikipedia.  What the heck is going on?  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Examiner is blocked?

message: Not sure why 96.250.152.110 deleted so much information without stating why. Should I undo it? Sharonidith (talk) 20:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted info

message: It just seems odd that an article on Rhee which also criticizes her school closings and firings don't say anything about what drove her to do so, positive data points or anything else she's done as Chancellor.  I went ahead and added a section doing so, but I was wondering if there's a reason that stuff was excluded, and wanted to welcome any additional information out there. King (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rhee's actions as Chancellor and data on impact

message: Much of the article leans to POV promotional piece, such as test data and her classes.  Information has been added, regarding Rhee's conduct as a first-year teacher.  As stated in the cited Washington Post article, she taped shut the mouths of her students.Gogue2 (talk) 02:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rhee's actions as teacher, balance against POV tilt

message: In the infobox her party is listed as Democratic. Why is this here?  Is she an active member of the Democratic Party, or is this just her registration? She seems to work with politicians from both parties, doesn't run for office... The inclusion of party implies some relevance, but what would that be? Jd2718 (talk) 14:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell, it's just her registration, and she is not politically active as a Democrat. However, her party affiliation is often cited as evidence that liberals and conservatives agree on school reforms such as vouchers and privatization, so I think her party registration is significant enough for the infobox. KeptSouth (talk) 10:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party 

message: Frontline documentary on Michelle Rhee
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/education-of-michelle-rhee/
Criticism of Rhee's "Report Card"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/07/michelle-rhee-report-card_n_2427097.html
--Nbauman (talk) 17:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frontline documentary  

message: At the risk of sounding ignorant, there is such a title as "First Lady of Sacramento"? Nick O'Sea (talk) 19:28, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there reliable source(s) to verify this title exist?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles 

message: "In 2008, 28% of African Americans supported Rhee, down from 50% in 2008."  From the context, maybe the second "2008" should be 2010?
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:Thanks for catching the typo.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo 

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