Talk:Fischer random chess starting position

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In addition, here is some info on Ingo Althöfer. And here is some info about CSS magazine. The Chess960 article was started by User:Dwheeler with ref to Hans Bodlaender's 2002 article here. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credit for single-die randomization method 

message: Please justify here, Calmapalma, why you are creating your own markup instead of using standard markup at WP:LAYOUT. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 07:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  For User:Calmapalma to explain why he is trashing standard WP markup 

message: User:Calmapalma, most of the cards-method explanations you have added appears to be your own WP:OR work and analysis. You cannot add your work here, you need to have WP:RS for it. (Can you supply?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:30, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
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message: I don't understand the entry for this. If you were going to use all these odd shaped dice, why wouldn't you just use an 8-sided die for the first Bishop, a 4-sided for the next (just as it says) a six-sided for the queen (just as it says) but when they get to the Knight's dice they lose me. Just use a 5-sided die for the next Knight and a 4-sided die for the last Knight and place the King and rooks in the empty squares. Where's the need for a 12-sided and 20-sided die and counting and looping back like that? Dancindazed (talk) 17:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The "five Platonic solids" are a polyhedral dice set consisting of one each of d4/d6/d8/d12/d20. (Check online to confirm. When you buy a polyhedral dice set they usually come as seven, with the five Platonics and two d10 decahedrons [one 0-9, one 00-90]. ) So using a d4 for the 2nd N would require a spare die of a different color (a convenience issue). As far as a "d5" -- is there such a thing? (Might be, I just dunno.) Does this answer? Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 21:44, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is such a thing as a d5 (triangular prism of the right proportions that landing on the edges or faces are equally likely). You don't see it very often because small variations in the environment where it is rolled will make it unfair. That's a general problem with all traditional dice with an odd number of faces (except 1). You can get around this by using an n-gonal prism with the ends somehow modified so that they cannot be landed on, but why go to all that trouble when it's a lot easier to just use a 2n-sided die? Double sharp (talk) 10:13, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
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message: This article seems horribly out of date to me. Surely most of the time a computer program (either as app/program or a web site) is used to generate the starting position most of the time now. e.g. That is what was used in the recent world championship . So there needs to be a section on that. Adpete (talk) 02:23, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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message: Wikipedia is not an instruction manual. Besides, the instructions read as original research. In other words, no, Wikipedia is not the place to exhaust every possible way to generate a Fisher random chess starting position. 
There are no references except to the first method, and no established notability. I'm aggressively pruning the article. Feel free to add back content, but only after you have read WP:NOTMANUAL and are prepared to add references that establish notability. 
Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 12:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree, in that your application of WP:NOTMANUAL is arbitrary. That said, there isn't much that is well-defined on WP, so arbitrariness seems to be built-in, so no logical discussion can ensue (so I won't). E.g. is there a difference between "this is how to do xxx" versus "this is how xxx is done"? One could argue no, one could argue yes. And w/ your literal interepretation, then I'd ask, how can hundreds of chess openings articles exist on WP, where "right" versus "mistaken" moves or lines or gambits are presented constantly, in nearly every such article, even if notable? To carry this further, in your view, rules of any game c/ be considered "how to" play the game, and thus be removed/deleted/challenged. Or are games rules in articles presenting "how game xxx is played" versus "how to play game xxx"? There it goes again, arbitrariness. And you favor removal of interesting/helpful info in an environment of differently interpretable guides resulting in inarguable arbitrariness. So editors lean inclusionist or deletionist, arguing policy support for their own personal editing style/leaning/bias. --IHTS (talk) 01:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The current state looks ok to me, it reflects the reality that most people just use a simple phone app to generate a start position. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 11:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The magic of chess, worldwide, is that it is inexpensive. (How much for a phone w/ app? $600? $100? Not possible for many parts of the world.) --IHTS (talk) 21:42, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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