Talk:Mandatory sentencing

message: This article has not been touched (with the exception of the sentence I added) for several years. It is an important subject and could be a very interesting article but needs serious improvements, including the correction and reorganization mentioned below. Anyone with legal knowledge interested? Trouver (talk) 01:17, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Improvements

message: This page seems a bit chaotic.  Each paragraph seems to talk about some aspect of mandatory sentencing from some particular place and time, but they're not organized in any way, so it's very fragmented.  I'm thinking of organizing sections by location (US, UK, Australia), or chronologically.  I thought I'd post here first, and see if anyone has got any opinions about how this article should be arranged.  If there's no feedback in a couple of days, I'll just go ahead and do something. -GTBacchus(talk) 22:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I think you should be bold and go ahead. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added headers and tidied up the footnotes/references a bit.  That's at least an improvement; I'll have another look later. -GTBacchus(talk) 23:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree, the organization is not beneficial. There are also notable equity gaps in the "Race and Mandatory Sentencing". While the article does have a sub-section dedicated to race and mandatory sentencing, it only includes statistics from 1990, 2000, and 2010. If this article provided data during the beginning years of the War on Drugs, it could highlight how mandatory fueled mass incarceration (which could then be connected to recent data from 2010 to current day). The "race" sub-section also isn't clear regarding the location (which I'm assuming is the United States).---Iwhitten25 (talk) 16:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Order

message: :Discussion moved here from Talk:Three strikes law.
I think merging with mandatory sentencing would be a mistake.  In California, for example, a judge has the power to not sentence under this scheme.  Thus, it is not a mandatory sentence.  Veniceslug1 03:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; that's a good example. Plus, I think it is a distinctive enough category of punishment that it should have its own article (e.g. capital punishment). Juansmith 07:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: This article is very unimpressive.  Essentially no sources are cited and the content seems incomplete.  I feel the whole thing should be rewritten by someone familiar with the subject.  And appropriate citations are a must.  12 December 2006  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Counterfact (talk • contribs) 14:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Much Improvement Needed

message: There's a mistake in this article.  The ruling that declared mandatory death-sentences as unconstitutional was Gregg v. Georgia AVKent882 (talk) 01:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mandatory Death-Penalty Since Gregg v. Georgia

message: I can't see how the article (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010409/editors2) that is linked to 
"Billy Ochoa – 326 years to life for 13 counts of welfare fraud totalling $2,100" relates to that case. 62.152.162.217 (talk) 03:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billy Ochoa 

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message: The introduction does not include any reference to criticism of mandatory sentencing laws, but only rational and "philosophy"  behind the idea. It also uses WP:weasle words "as it is assumed", "who are expected to avoid crime", "they are instituted to expedite", "it is viewed as a public service" etc. The intro also states unsourced POV claims as fact; "In Australia and the UK, sentencing has been heavily influenced by judicial idiosyncrasies", and "they [mandatory minimums] are instituted to expedite the sentencing process and limit the possibility of irregularity of outcomes due to judicial discretion." 
It also makes a tangental reference to life imprisonment -- "some crimes are viewed as serious enough to require an indefinite removal from society by a life sentence" -- that does not immediately appear to be relevant to the article. 
Mandatory minimum sentencing is controversial and polls show that in the US, a majority favor moving away from using them.http://www.people-press.org/2014/04/02/americas-new-drug-policy-landscape/ BananaCarrot152 (talk) 07:47, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already a section in this article that describes criticism of mandatory sentencing. Are there any other significant viewpoints that are missing in this article? Jarble (talk) 04:04, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

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message: I propose that we create two sections out of "Arguments for and against". One called "Impact" which is solely concerned with research on the effects of mandatory sentencing. A second section called "the politics of mandatory sentencing" which is about the back-and-forths between proponents and opponents. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:36, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: This edit is to provide the history of sentencing in the US.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smiles12345 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discretionary Sentencing  

message: I would like to introduce a brief "Why" on the intent of why it was adopted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smiles12345 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Strikes Law  

message: I have added a citation to this entry.
Brannen, Daniel E., Jr., et al. "Woodson v. North Carolina (1976)." Supreme Court Drama: Cases That Changed America, edited by Lawrence W. Baker, 2nd ed., vol. 2: Criminal Justice and Family Law, UXL, 2011, pp. 287-290. Opposing Viewpoints in Context, http://link.galegroup.com/apps/doc/CX1929200071/OVIC?u=jcl_jccc&sid=OVIC&xid=cbf8da3e.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smiles12345 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woodson vs. North Carolina  

message: In review of discretionary sentencing I think it would be beneficial to the reader to provide examples under this style of sentencing.
Also please feel free to provide feed.
Thanks,
Smiles12345  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smiles12345 (talk • contribs) 01:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discretionary Sentencing 

message: I have further edited this section to provide further clarification regarding these laws to the reader.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smiles12345 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Strikes Law 

message: It seems it would be beneficial to the reading to further explain this act.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smiles12345 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boggs Act 1951 

message: It seems it would beneficial to the reader to further explain this act.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smiles12345 (talk • contribs) 19:53, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986