Talk:Robert M. Pirsig

message: This an answer to the request for citation for Pirsig's IQ of 170 at age 9.
    UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA
    COLLEGE OF EDUCATION
    MINNEAPOLIS  14
    
    INSTITUTE OF CHILD DEVELOPMENT AND WELFARE
    
    June 14,1961
    
    To Whom it May Concern:
    
    Subject: Indices of the Intellectual Capacity of Robert M. Pirsig
    
    Mr. Pirsig was a subject in one of the institute’s longiudinal research projects and was extensively evaluated as a
    preschool, elementary, secondary, college and adult on various measures of intellectual ability. A summary of these
    measures is presented below.  
    
    Childhood tests: Mr. Pirsig was administered seven individual intelligence tests between the ages of two and ten.
    He performed consistently at the 99 plus percentile during this period.
    
    His IQ on the Stanford Binet Form M administered in 1938 when he was nine and a half years old was 170, a level
    reached by about 2 chilldren in 100,000 at that age level.
    
    In 1949 he took the Miller's Analogy at the Univer. of Minn.. His raw score was 83 and his percentile standing for
    entering graduate students at the University of Minnesota was 96%tile.
    
    In 1961 he was administered a series of adult tests as part of e follow up study of intelligence. The General Aptitude
    Test Battery of the United Statee Employment Service was administered with the following results:
    
    General Intelligence .......99 %ile
    
    Verbal Ability .............98 %ile
    
    Numerical Ability ..........96 %ile
    
    Spacial Ability ............99 %ile
    
    
    John G. Hurst, PhD   Assistant Professor
: This would have worked better as an image of a document than a hand composed item. Removed "(vandalized)" from above at the end of 1st ¶ Although unsigned and undated it has apparently been here and progressing to its current state since at least 4704. Lycurgus (talk) 13:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: IQ?

message: Does the comment that "NBA coach Phil Jackson cites Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance as one of the major guiding forces in his life," really belong in an article on Pirsig? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zyryab (talk • contribs) 01:46, 27 December 2006
::No. I don't know and don't care who Phil Jackson is. He has little or no relation to Pirsig.72.73.216.122 18:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pirsig's books have been the guiding force in many, many people's lives, including my own. It would be good to get a reference for it's widespread cultural impact, although the stuff in the article about the MOQ Conference is very interesting as well. --DreamsReign (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Phil Jackson

message: Every day now Pirsig seems to get younger when he entered college. He was 15 then 14 and now 13. Can anyone cite the actual age he was? Also, the cited source says he had a stammer and had difficulty socializing (his parents were working at a University so I got the impression this meant he didn't have a social group his age) another good source detailing this a bit might be nice. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Age he entered college

message: What is meant by "was taken off psycotherapy"? Off drugs? Off treatment? Also is there a way to add more citations for the article?ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarification

message: Hello. I removed the "needs-photo=yes" from WikiProject Biography, but seems a year late. Thank you for the nice photo. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belated thank you for photo 

message: I've deleted the text after the link to The Timeless Way of Building link because I think that the reasons why a link is included should be apparent from the link page, and that it shouldn't need text explaining why it's been included written after the link. If the link's inclusion needs to be motivated on the article page, perhaps it shouldn't be included. Totorotroll (talk) 18:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than both Alexander and Pirsig using the word "quality" is there any link between their works? Any evidence that the word is used in a similar fashion? Autarch (talk) 16:38, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The timeless way of building 

message: The article says:
:he described the central character, thought to represent him, as being far from a typical student; he was interested in science as a goal in itself, rather than as a way to establish a career.
This seems to suggest that it is most unusual to study science for its own sake, which of course is very far from being true.--Nø (talk) 07:18, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is about his self-description, not your thoughts about it. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 13:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I get your point. It's long ago I read ZAMA last, but if this is almost a direct quote, it would perhaps be better to replace it with an actual quote. As it stands, it looks more as a paraphrase, and it is not clear what is due to Pirsig and what is paraphrase, interpretation, or comment.--Nø (talk) 14:16, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life 

message: I removed this sentence:
This led to his determination of a previously unarticulated limitation of science, which was something of a revelation to him.
It was originally introduced in this edit, although slightly modified in subsequent edits.
I think it is interesting, and possibly even true, but it is not supported by the source, so is either original research, or needs a good refernce is a relaible source has made this conclusion.
I removed it pending better sourcing.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:21, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limitation of science