Talk:Hardcore Holly

message: Had any of you heard that Bart Gunn went easy on Holly in the Brawl For All, and Holly went nuts at him afterwards?:OD(Halbared 09:34, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Went easy?

message: There should be a reference to the fact that Lesnar broke his neck because he was sandbagging him.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.17.33.116 (talk) 21:51, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lesnar

message: Moved from the article:
:Holly has gained something of a reputation as a bully due to his stiff in-ring style by which he has injured wrestlers to the degree that they must take time off, such as with former WWE employee Matt Morgan and following unstaged incidents, such as his treatment of Tough Enough III contestant Matt Cappotelli and his vindictive attack on the face of René Duprée during a match as punishment after Dupree got into a traffic accident with Holly's rental car and neglected to own up to it, resulting in monetary damages and legal issues for Holly. Some believe him to be a real life "enforcer" used by Vince McMahon to punish poor behavior on the part of young wrestlers. He is also one of the leaders of the Wrestler's Court with John Bradshaw Layfield, responsible for in-house policing of wrestlers and rumored hazing. While some fans were highly critical of Holly's actions, others defended his actions as the typical means of conflict resolution within the wrestling industry, which is not unionized and poorly regulated and therefore lacks conventional mechanisms for addressing grievances.
I don't see anything in the references/external links that really supports this, unless you want to look at some forum posts by random fans.  Also, please note that its much better to say "This person" or "This organization" believes, instead of saying "Some" believe -- its important to attribute points of view to their sources.  I'd also question whether or not any of this belongs in a section on his personal life, since it appears to all be wrestling related. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 13:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced statements 

message: Okay, so basically the word is that Holly is in rehab for substance addiction. Problem is...on the WWE list of employees article, it says in rehab without any source. Here, whenever somebody tries to edit it in, also without a source, it keeps getting removed. Shouldn't it also be removed from the roster page for not being sourced? Or are there some different kinda policy here? --Kaizer13 (talk) 05:43, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current status 

message: On the recently released shoot interview with RFVideo, Bob claimed that he does not run a wrestling school, nor is he married anymore. Any way this can be used as a reliable source? The shoot interview, that is. --81.191.27.34 (talk) 19:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrestling school 

message: According to PWMania. WWE have showed some interested in bringing back former superstar Bob Hardcore Holly and former DX member Badass Billy Gunn as just a tag team. They want former superstars they can get over and bill as tough old veterans aganist some of the new younger talent. Both are real-life good friends. As apparently Sopp pitched the idea to John Laurinaitis.
I read it at lordsofpain. Hold any truth?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.48.114.20 (talk) 21:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither lordsofpain nor PWMania are reliable sources, so it won't be added to the article. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 23:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, I guess they were right when they said WWE were talking about big name returns. --Kaizer13 (talk) 01:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Return to WWE? 

message: after watching his YouShoot interview where he answers alot of the things that have been said about him... like the Rene Dupree incident and other things like the Brock Lesnar powerbomb and that sort of stuff... he explains all of it in detail and how the powerbomb was in fact botched by them both and Lesnar rang him up at hospital to see if he's ok and they were actually friends and it was a mistake... after watching the interview alot of the stuff written on this page is only conjecture and therefore is not proven fact so should it be written that he "broke kayfabe" and all this stuff if it isn't proven? just a thought people should check the interview out...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.183.244 (talk) 19:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouShoot interview 

message: Bob Holly was not the Intercontinental Champion. WWE's website clearly lists that due to the controversial match between Jarrett and Holly, Jarrett was stripped of the title. How could he have been stripped of the championship if Holly had won it in the match? It's pretty straightforward: Jarrett didn't lost the title to Holly. He lost the title because of the controversy, but it didn't go to Holly. Instead it went to no one, and they had another match to determine the champion.
Moreoever, Wikipedia's own page for the List of WWE Intercontinental Champions doesn't have Holly as being champion, not even as an unofficial/unrecognised by WWE reign like in the case of some of Moolah's Women's Champion reigns or some of the early United States Championship reigns. Now you can't have one page say he held the title, and one page say he didn't. That ruins the credability of both. Also, on the talk page for the list of Intercontinental Champions, TJ Spyke brings up the point, and prevails, about not allowing Holly's "reign" to be included due to the fact that "WWE doesn't consider him a former champ." 76.29.170.69 (talk) 10:52, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, upon further review of the sources (numbers 4 and 5), both make it fairly clear that it wasn't a title reign. One source(4) even points out that although he pinned Jarrett, "because Jarrett's foot was on the ropes, the title was held up," meaning no one was delcared the champion. And in the other source (5), it says that Holly was set up for a "seeming" title run, but the win was overruled and the title was vacant.76.29.170.69 (talk) 13:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the champ 

message: Blah, blah, blah
:::For the record, the section above presents my reasoning for the removal of the information, to which there was only one reply that was along the lines of "Stop bitching about it. He was the champ. Proof? My fist." And that 'rebuttal' was removed by another user on the basis of bad faith/personal attack. I presented the reasonings and you did not respond to them Vampire. 67.181.76.194 (talk) 11:27, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  For posterity's sake 

message: On his RF Shoot interview (and possibly his new book), he talks about NASCAR in the sense that he actually drove in the sport. Are there any sources which support this? The article currently mentions fleetingly that his NASCAR driver gimmick was just that—a gimmick, with no mention of an actual motor racing career. Needs the real story. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I wandered over here today (surfing wrestler articles) and I noticed that, despite being stated in the 1st sentence of the lead that he was a former driver, absolutely nothing further on this (a racing career) is present in the article. Pretty strange for a "good article". I'd always assumed this was merely a gimmick, and, pending addition of any substantial content, I am going to boldly remove this from the lead as wholly unsupported (& likely non-notable) in the article text... Roberticus  talk 20:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NASCAR 

message: According to Slam! Sports (typically a reliable source), Holly used this ring name early in his career. Last week, however, Holly gave an interview with Solomonster Sounds Off, in which he said this is patently untrue (http://solomonster.podbean.com/mf/web/bgtquu/solomonster455-HOLLY.mp3 at the 46–47 minute mark). I have removed this content from the article. 185.54.163.177 (talk) 03:22, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: "Superstar" Bob Howard

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