Talk:Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury

message: Based on this individual being included in the Calendar of saints (Anglican Church of Australia), I am adding the :Category:Anglican saints and the Saints WikiProject banner to this article. I am awaiting reliable sources which can be used to add the content to the article. John Carter 16:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: The article is utterly misleading, because it focuses on a very minor aspect of Shaftesbury's life.  His main interest was in the improvement of conditions for the poor, where he transformed UK legislation.  This gets only a skimpy paragraph.  By contrast there is endless stuff about Israel.
Can someone with time and knowledge rebalance this? 213.123.44.130 (talk) 12:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. He is known foremost as a social reformer and to give such weight to a minor issue is to leave the article unbalanced. I have made a start.--Britannicus (talk) 23:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree too, although I think Britannicus went a bit far by deleting the other topic completely. I will add something back in commensurate with the current balance. Oncenawhile (talk) 09:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is still too much about his support for a Jewish homeland. I've read his Oxford DNB entry and there is nothing about his support for this cause, just a sentence about his support for a Protestant bishopric in Jerusalem. Georgina Battiscombe's biography doesn't contain anything about this either. For this to take up so much space in the article gives undue weight to it.--Britannicus (talk) 17:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terribly unbalanced article 

message: Shaftesbury was a leading critic of the opium wars and trade, and there's no mention of this in the entry. It deserves a full section. Please message me if you can help me. I'm only a WikiGnome and not used to adding content.
--StringRay (talk) 21:18, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
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message: It is not clear how long Cooper was at Manor House school. He is said to have started there in 1808 and 1812.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.21.169 (talk) 11:46, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Manor House school in Chiswick in London seems to have closed down some time ago.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.21.169 (talk) 13:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It had been turned into an asylum by 1845. See https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/middx/vol7/pp95-99  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.21.169 (talk) 13:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to have closed down between 1835 and 1845.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.21.169 (talk) 13:35, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not clear  

message: Re: In early 1858 a Select Committee was appointed over concerns that sane persons were detained in lunatic asylums. Lord Shaftesbury (as Ashley had become upon his father's death in 1851) was the chief witness and opposed the suggestion that the certification of insanity be made more difficult and that early treatment of insanity was essential if there was to be any prospect of a cure. He claimed that only one or two people in his time dealing with lunacy had been detained in an asylum without sufficient grounds and that commissioners should be granted more not fewer powers. The Committee's Report endorsed all of Shaftesbury's recommendations except for one: that a magistrate's signature on a certificate of lunacy be made compulsory. This was not put into law chiefly due to Shaftesbury's opposition to it. The Report also agreed with Shaftesbury that unwarranted detentions were "extremely rare".[14]
Did Shaftesbury oppose or support that "early treatment of insanity was essential if there was to be any prospect of a cure"? This seems to say he opposed.
Was it the Committee or Shaftesbury that supported "a magistrate's signature on a certificate of lunacy be made compulsory"?
JDE 84.13.33.197 (talk) 10:37, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
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message: added and I am removing this:
: In an article entitled "State and Restoration of the Jews" in The London Quarterly Review ( vol 64) in 1839, Shaftesbury referred to British Jews as “ stiff-necked, dark hearted people, and sunk in moral degradation, obduracy, and ignorance of the Gospel” 
This quotation, though usually not in such a misleadingly clipped form, appears in many places, with several versions of the reference. I believe it is fake, but I'll take that back if someone can prove otherwise. The "London Quarterly Review" was the American edition of The Quarterly Review.  However, page 104 of Vol 64, 1939, contains nothing similar. Searching for the the solution, I thought it might just have the wrong volume number, since page 104 of Vol 63, 1939 sits in an article of Ashley Cooper called "State and Prospects of the Jews".  That article has plenty about the Jews, but I believe it doesn't have the passage quoted here (can you find it?). Some other sources cite this quotation directly to "State and Prospects of the Jews" in the British edition, where it appears at page 166 of Vol 63. But the quotation isn't there either. Just to be sure, page 104 of Vol 64 in the British edition doesn't have it either. I see a journal article that attributes it to a 1908 book of Gidney, but it isn't there. I suspect that someone in the past wrote what they considered a paraphrase then others took it up as a quotation. Meanwhile, Onamynous needs to read WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT. Zerotalk 13:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your edit. i accept the removal. I took the quote from a secondary source.  but looking up primary source now,  I must couldnt find the quote in the primary source either Onamynous (talk) 10:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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