Talk:Yankee Stadium (1923)

message: I disagree with the current positioning of the "Final game and closing" section. I think the end of the article is the natural position of this section. Also, while other events like boxing, football, concerts religious ceremonies etc. have been held at the stadium and it was built as a multipurpose venue, it began as, and ended asm a baseball stadium. Therefore I believe for both as an accurate reflection of its existence and prose reasons the "Final game and closing" section should be at the very end of the article just above the gallery. If there is no objections or a consensus develops to move it back, I will move it back there Wednesday. Hunter2005 (talk) 02:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree & Disagree (I think). Once there's something to say about the closing ceremonies, I think they should be separated from the Final Game and put at the end or very near the end (perhaps before the field dimensions). However, I was confused when looking for the Final Game when it was detached from all the other baseball. It's hard to arrange this article cleanly (e.g. should Field Dimensions be closer to the discussion of asymmetry and its effect on players? should the All-Star Game come after the Final Game?), but my feeling at the moment is that Baseball should have its own section, concluding with the Final Game, and the other activities (athletic and non-athletic) should be a different section or sections. There's all kinds of other details to ponder, and I'm happy to consider other views and thoughts. As for your proposed move, my position is "Wait".—— Shakescene (talk) 09:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Final game and closing" section

message: The Yankees' re-signing of Mark Teixeira was announced in January 2009. long after the last rites, in the House that Ruth Built, not in the monster that swallowed Macombs Dam Park. Since the Yankees' offices are still at the 1923 Stadium, should we start a life-after-death section to handle any other noteworthy or at least mentionable events that occur there, if only to indicate that activity still persists there? —— Shakescene (talk) 05:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lingering death 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was no consensus to move (at this time) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RegentsPark  (talk • contribs)  21:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: I wrote the small subsection about Opening Day (April 1923) from Robert A. Slayton's biography† of baseball nut, NY Governor & US Presidential candidate Al Smith, who threw out the Stadium's first ball.
Slayton says that at 3 p.m., John Philip Sousa struck up the band of the "Seventh Regiment" in the Star-Spangled Banner. But when I asked an editor knowledgeable about both New York and military history (User Talk:CORNELIUSSEON), he said The New York Times didn't report the 7th Regiment's presence. (1923 is when the Times starts charging for its archive, so I can't easily check for myself.)
Does anyone here have other sources about Opening Day that might help resolve this question?
† Empire Statesman: The Rise and Redemption of Al Smith, The Free Press (Simon & Schuster), New York, 2005, , pp. 229-30
 
—— Shakescene (talk) 00:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no question Sousa was there opening day, as various photos show him with the pre-game ceremonies in deep center field; and Yankee Stadium: Fifty Years of Drama, by Joseph Durso (1972, Houghton-Mifflin), says on p.36, "... the Seventh Regiment Band serenaded what the press acclaimed as 'the greatest crowd that ever saw a baseball game.'" On p.41 it says, "... the Seventh Regiment Band kept up the beat while Governor Alfred E. Smith and his wife made their way to the front box reserved for [Commissioner]] Landis..." Then on p.42, "...John Philip Sousa, in band-master's finery, took baton in hand and stepped to the head of the company. With Sousa and the band leading the way, the teams and the political lions paraded to the center-field flagpole..." It also reports Sousa leading the band (presumably there was just one band there) in the Anthem while the flag was being raised, and Smith throwing out the first ball. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Day band 

message: Speedy close See #Move? above. This is way too soon to bring this up again. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 04:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Weak support - I made the nomination of behalf of other users, as this issue has not gone away despite several move discussions. However, this is the first one to use the names suggested above. Ithe Yankees make other alternatives known, then the names should be updated without prejudice. - BillCJ (talk) 04:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Weak support - I made the nomination of behalf of other users, as this issue has not gone away despite several move discussions. However, this is the first one to use the names suggested above. Ithe Yankees make other alternatives known, then the names should be updated without prejudice. - BillCJ (talk) 04:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
It is way too soon to propose a move, however feel free to discuss your position here. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 04:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly oppose naming anything "Old" and "New", which does not seem to be a very POV way of naming things. If anything, you would want to say "Previous", in place of "Old", but that makes even less sense for naming an article. Furthermore, using "Old" or "New" in the article title may incorrectly imply that those words were used in the naming of either facility. If you are gonna go with a way of disambiguating the two Yankee Stadiums, it needs to be by year. The standard at Wikipedia for disambiguating multiple pages with the same name is to put a differentiating title or property in parentheses. That should be how we eventually move both Yankee Stadium articles. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 20:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion of proposed move

message: *I support this, the article on the old Stadium should be moved to Yankee Stadium (1923) and the Yankee Stadium title should point to the article about the new park as the Yankees will be moving there next month.  –BuickCenturyDriver 22:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Support proposed move & renaming

message: * Qualified opposition — I'd like to see more evidence that "Yankee Stadium" is now being used more for the new stadium than for the old. Also I think that "Yankee Stadium (1923)" [like, yes, "Wembley Stadium (1923)"], is non-intuitive, and that "Old Yankee Stadium" (when the time comes) should be the new name of this page unless people use a different shorthand. It's not the term, naturally, that was used while the stadium was both up and operating, but then neither was "Yankee Stadium (1923)". —— Shakescene (talk) 05:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly oppose naming anything "Old" and "New", which does not seem to be a very POV way of naming things. If anything, you would want to say "Previous", in place of "Old", but that makes even less sense for naming an article. Furthermore, using "Old" or "New" in the article title may incorrectly imply that those words were used in the naming of either facility. If you are gonna go with a way of disambiguating the two Yankee Stadiums, it needs to be by year. The standard at Wikipedia for disambiguating multiple pages with the same name is to put a differentiating title or property in parentheses. That should be how we eventually move both Yankee Stadium articles. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 20:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose proposed move & renaming

message: This article is quite lengthy. Maybe features and/or history should be seperate articles.--Levineps (talk) 15:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  split sections 

message: In the closing and demolition section, it mentions that the former Gate 2 was unaltered.  According to this http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2009/08/10/090810ta_talk_goldberger the gate WAS altered.  The reference in the article goes to the Save Gate 2 website, while this reference goes to the New Yorker.  Which should we use, and what should the article say?  If this has been discussed before, I apologize- I must have missed it. Kjscotte34 (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gate 2 

message: Now that demolition is complete, should info on Heritage Field be in the Old Yankee Stadium article? Or should a separate article be created? Richiekim (talk) 18:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Heritage Field

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever you call it, don't put a blasted en dash in the title... those things are a pain in the ass. Spanneraol (talk) 19:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No kidding. And there's nothing confusing about the (1923) part. It's a bogus issue. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
¶ Although I agree with the result, the closing seems a little abrupt to me (only a week). Three opponents in seven days do not a WP:Snowball make, nor even a No-Consensus. If the proposer wants to reopen his move request for a couple of weeks in hopes of soliciting comments from other editors, I'd support the reopening. I'd sympathize because last year I was on the losing side of a hasty move of The Bronx to Bronx (since reversed). This move request was not a trivial one, and I'm still open to hearing different reasoning from my own. —— Shakescene (talk) 21:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move (April 2011) 

message: I've uploaded an image of the almost completed Heritage Field into Wikipedia Commons.  The image is also used on the Macombs Dam Park page, so if someone would like to take a look at it and incorporate it into the article, please feel free.  As the article currently stands, it may go best in the "Replacement, Closing, and Demolition" section Kjscotte34 (talk) 13:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, only 14 months late. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:20, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heritage Field 

message: Should Army Black Knights football be mentioned as a tenant in the infobox?  They played home games against Navy, Notre Dame, and other opponents over a number of years between Yankee Stadium's opening and its 1970s revamp Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 14:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Army football 

message: The article currently says "20,000 cubic yards (26,000 cubic meters) of concrete used in the original structure" but a cubic yard is less than a cubic meter (1cy ~= .76 m^3).  Someone's made a mistake somewhere, but I don't have any way to tell where.  This section can be removed when it's corrected.  Wyvern (talk) 20:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for spotting and pointing this out. I used a conversion template to make a conversion to (15,000 cubic meters), but if the error was the other way around — 26,000 cubic meters incorrectly converted to cubic yards — I'd certainly like a correction (or a confirmation if the original source said 20,000 cu. yds). —— Shakescene (talk) 08:42, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just experimenting to see if the conversion was just done the wrong way around, I see that 20,000 divided (rather than multiplied) by 0.7645 will give just over 26,160, which would round to 26,000. An editor who has the source {Fifty Years of Drama, 1992) says that among other statistics it gives, as I expected, 20,000 cubic yards. [See my talk page and also Conversion of units#Volume.] So this seems to have been just a well-intentioned edit that backflipped, and I feel confident in keeping the corrected conversion at 15,000 cubic meters. —— Shakescene (talk) 05:13, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine. Keep in mind this was the original structure. What with extending the 2nd and 3rd decks into the outfield, and rebuilding the bleachers in concrete, plus the extra concrete they added to the upper tier in 1974-75 (minus whatever they chipped away near the field), the final figure was probably rather larger than the original. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temporary point: metric conversion 

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