Talk:Land reform in Zimbabwe

message: " The murder of about three hundred white farmers during the war " - what is their source? The Catholic Commission's report from March 1997 states that only 1 white farmer was killed in Nyamandlovu prior to the 1980s. 
"While the impact of dissidents on civilians in the communal lands was perceived as less harsh by far than that of 5
Brigade, the impact of the dissidents on the small commercial farming communities was dramatic. For example, in
Nyamandlovu, which lies in the first Case Study area, ZIPRA had been responsible for killing only one white farming
couple in Nyamandlovu during the 1970s, but in the 1980s, dissidents killed 21 people in this commercial farming area,
inclusive of farmers, their families and at times, their staff. Many farmers sold their ranches, or moved their families
into nearby Bulawayo for protection, leaving productive farmland idle. 
SRC: REPORT ON THE 1980’s DISTURBANCES IN MATABELELAND & THE MIDLANDS Compiled by the Catholic Commission for Justice and Peace in Zimbabwe, March 1997 http://www.rhodesia.nl/Matabeleland%20Report.pdf 83.84.100.133 (talk) 21:54, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As has been discussed before on other talk pages, the Catholic Commission's report was a microstudy of only two districts in the entire nation of Zimbabwe. The figures cited there only reflect those two districts and cannot be cited as being reflective of the situation in the whole country. --Katangais (talk) 22:37, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, so what is the source for this number? 83.84.100.133 (talk) 19:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Same one cited in the article. --Katangais (talk) 23:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Number Of White Farmers Killed

message: Talk:Problems of land distribution in Zimbabwe/Archive 1
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thread_title: Archive

message: The article contains the statement :
... but Timothy Stamp, Zimbabwe's finance minister, says £17m).
Stamps was the Minister of Health from 1986 to 2002. I do not believe that his portfolio ever included Finance. See . Bob BScar23625 13:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timothy Stamps 

message: The line 'Britain withdrew aid to the land reform programme, accusing Mugabe of giving the land to his "cronies".' is ok except for the use of the word "cronies". I don't really think that's appropriate.
:It is the word used by the Commons foreign affairs select committeeː"rewarding his cronies with gifts of expropriated land".  
:LaFoiblesse (talk) 2010-04-24 12:30 (BST)
::So what? It shows bias and a non-neutral point of view. It is characterization. Never let ex-Rhodians edit Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrSativa (talk • contribs) 08:06, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cronies? 

message: I felt it important to update this article on the current land grab campaign against the remaining white commercial farmers and black farmers who are supporters of the MDC in Zimbabwe. Ivankinsman (talk) 08:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 land grab campaign 

message: In 5 edits today I have removed the "quotations" and "2008 campaign..." sections. Text of the former I have incorporated into appropriate parts of the article. The latter section, however, had to be deleted for copyright reasons: it comprised mainly word-for-word copying from a series of articles in the Telegraph. Referencing the articles does not stop it being a copyright violation! There is some useful material in the sources which could, with some effort, be incorporated into the existing date-by-date sections. However quite a lot deals with the Zimbabwean presidential election, 2008 and belongs in that article. Babakathy (talk) 08:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: I modified the first sentence of the section since it didn't reflect what was said in the reference text.  The researcher says in the article and I quote: "Zimbabwe’s land reform has had a bad press", then relate the bad press it had.  Then end the paragraph he add :"As Zimbabwe moves forward with a new agrarian structure, a more balanced appraisal is needed. "  Link of the reference:
http://www.thezimbabwean.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34979:zimbabwes-land-reform-challenging-the-myths&catid=72:thursday-issue&q=scoones Analyzer99 (talk) 08:04, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A complex picture and bad press 

message: http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/starvation-stalks-zimbabwe-villagers-after-poor-rains
Formerly a regional breadbasket, Zimbabwe's food production has slumped in recent years, a situation critics blame on veteran President Robert Mugabe's land reforms which saw the forced redistribution of white-owned farmland to new black farmers, some of whom lacked the means, skills and experience to farm.
But the government blames the poor harvests on erratic rainfall patterns brought on by climate change.
:Worth a mention or just a lot of hot air? Hcobb (talk) 02:07, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate Change 

message: My addition of 
As of 2012, much of the seized land remains in large plots in the hands of Mugabe's cronies and produces little, but the small plots remaining in the hands of ordinary black farmers are now producing quite well.
Comes from:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/world/africa/in-zimbabwe-land-takeover-a-golden-lining.html
Large chunks of land were handed to cronies of President Robert Mugabe, many of whom did not farm them. It spurred a political crisis and violent reprisals by the security forces that have killed hundreds of people. Yields on food and cash crops plummeted.
Was I wrong? Hcobb (talk) 16:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you're not wrong. —Cliftonian (talk) 16:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The expression "as of 2012" is wrong, as the reference to cronies talks to the time of the start of the fast track land reform, not to who holds land today/2012. Therefore it's not relevant to aftermath. I'm not sure if it would anything new to the fast track land reform and violence section. Babakathy (talk) 11:14, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Far as I can tell that's a good reference Hcobb. My issue above was your original addition was using a NYTimes article from 2012 that didn't say that. Babakathy (talk) 06:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

text: So have put it in, even though the statement is rather vague and it's unclear whether "Mugabe loyalists" means politically-connected people or just people who vote ZANU-PF.Babakathy (talk) 06:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land redistribution 

message: I think the issue should be addressed more properly, some remarks are misleading.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.150.220.209 (talk) 14:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land Distribution prior to 1980 

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message: Reason for land reform program 77.246.55.239 (talk) 13:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography 

message: Were they mostly dairy farmers?  " The difficult operational conditions created by the factors mentioned above resulted in a decrease in the number of registered commercial dairy farmers from 559 in 1987 to 165 in 2012"  Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 04:27, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What were the characteristics of the 300 white farmers that remained?