Talk:Amelia Earhart/Archive 7

message: I included a quote from the Captain of the Itasca to convey the tension in the last broadcast received from AE. I did NOT include it because it ended with the word "incomplete" because such an assertion would support the position of Elgen Long. I disagree !!!OPINION!!! with Mr. Long. The fact that AE indicated she was switching to 6210 and was never heard again does not prove she ran out of gas at that moment. My reasons are two-fold - MORE OPINION NOT INSERTED INTO THE ARTICLE - I have no idea of her exact fuel state at that time, and it is unlikely that the Itasca could have heard her because of limitations of it's receiver. In MY OPINION Mr. Long has evidenced more understanding of the navigation methods in use at the time and how they would have been utilized by Mr. Noonan than any other author. Still there are IN MY OPINION, instances in his book where he clearly shades the arguments and evidence in favor of his theory.
There were other people in the radio room of the Itasca who had similar opinions of the tenor of Earhart's last certain broadcast. I could have cited those references - from the same source - but did not ONLY because of the conciseness of the Captains description.Mark Lincoln 02:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final approach 

message: I'm sorry Bzuk, through a dumb coincidence we both began editing at the same moment, likely after the same notion of NPoV.
I think the radio signals should go in two sections, "known" (Howland) and "maybe but not convincing to all sources." Any verifiable secondary source, fully formed interpretations as to whether or not these post-loss signals were from AE and FN are as always, welcome. Cheers!  Gwen Gale 02:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way it was set up before was "Radio signals". I don't believe there is a case to be made for "maybe not convincing radio signals?" At this point, all information is left in including information about "possible" signals and even a proviso about the controversy regarding the so-called post-loss signals. Going any further starts to become advocation rather than information. FWIW Bzuk 02:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know you wrote the section with a clear direction; all that is suggested is that all the radio signals are to be examined as a whole. But the article with a "Confirmed" and "Maybe" sub-titles now states somewhat of an advocacy that was not present in earlier edits. Having even the term "post-loss" was the subject of a massive discussion. There does not seem to be "clear and distinct" origins  to the signals but that there is an importance attached to radio signals is important to emphasize. Stating there are confirmed and may be confirmed signals is misleading. There are confirmed signals and signals that cannot be confirmed which is what the text indicates at this point and there is verification for these statements. FWIW Bzuk 03:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: "Confirmed" and "Maybe" – a little literary license?! [:¬∫. As to the rest, we're on the same page. I agree that radio signals are important in understanding the last flight but the fact that some sources agree and some don't about the "post-loss" (and again, just when did that take place??) is also useful to know. FWIW Bzuk 03:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Thou shant "have a cow?" Prithee, is thine from Elizabethan England through some time warp? [:¬∆  Bzuk 04:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dunno 'bout prithee but your conjugation of the second person singular pronoun in English is... lacking: Art thou from... this is for thee... this is thy Wikipedia talk page, it is thine account... whatever it is, it's thine and so on. Next, I picked up a lot of English (erm, American) slang in LA during the 1980s when I was but a wee 'n wide eyed tyke and anyway, I'll have you know the phrase have a cow (meaning get upset, kind of) is in the script of Sixteen Candles (1984) which, along with Splash (film) were big docking cultural touchstones for 8 whole weeks of my life O_o so I mean, the usage is supported, 'k? Gwen Gale 04:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Radio sections