Talk:B.Y.O.B. (song)

message: there's nothing heavy metal about this song. it's alternative + speed metal...Pilmccartney (talk) 21:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: lol what the fuck are you talking about, the WHOLE SONG is heavy metal lol.                     ~Rayvn  01:16, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah sure it sounds SOOOO much like AC/DC or Judas Priest... right... they're like... twins.... right?Pilmccartney (talk) 14:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  delete heavy metal off the genres 

message: This page needs to severely expanded upon, most of the pages for singles are hugely over-long.  I came here trying to figure out WHAT THE HELL SONG IS BEING SAMPLED, lyrically, in the chorus...   since only one other human being on the internet seems to have heard of it and they don't remember what it's called either...   "Everybody's going to the party to have a real good time" (same  tune, non-metal) was the chorus of an 80's-or-so song about actually partying.                     ~Rayvn  01:16, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
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message: @SpaceHelmetX1Hi, you added "thrash metal" back into the genre but did not explain your reasoning. The source itself simply does not describe it as thrash metal. Please explain your reasoning or provide a better source that DOES describe it as thrash metal if you're going to insist on keeping it there. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 06:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: But I added a new material. SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 07:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: my mistake, I did not see that. Even then, after looking I don't believe the new source justifies "thrash metal". The only mention is from this sentence on the article: "It's essentially a brutal clash between thrash-metal and a dance-music hook." It's not definitive language, if the mention of "dance-music" is not conclusive enough for you to add "Dance music" to the article itself I don't think it's conclusive enough to define it as thrash metal. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 08:16, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "Dance-music" sounds weird. That's why it hasn't been added. The other one is fine. BTW reference only says "dance-music hook". SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 09:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thrash metal is nonsense too btw, at least as a primary genre. Its still primarily alt-metal --FMSky (talk) 15:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

text: That's such flimsy reasoning. It sounds weird? Yeah, it does, so does "thrash metal" to me, but if a reliable source calls it that unambiguously and conclusively I cannot protest that beyond my own personal disagreement. You can't just cite it for one thing and not cite it for another. And yeah, it says "dance-music hook", but that's as inconclusive for defining it as dance-music as the whole sentence is with calling it a genre at all. If you really want to keep "thrash metal" in the article, either provide a reason for why it's conclusive or find a better source. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 18:08, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: About thrash still being nonsense, well, genres are based on what reliable sources say, not on editor's bias. Ref only says "dance-music hook", what makes the genre not fall into WP:EXPLICITGENRE since it says "hook". If you intend to remove thrash from the infobox you'll need to explain why it doesn't have to be there, 'cause I explained why "dance-music" shouldn't be. There's nothing wrong with Washington Post's ref and if you want to add any other genre to the infobox you'll need to provide a new sourced material. SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 23:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I explicitly stated that it has nothing to do with bias, the sentence was quite clearly about basing it on reliable sources and not bias, I'm not sure how you flipped it to mean the exact opposite. Please explain how the sentence conclusively states it is "thrash metal", I've explained why I think it isn't and you have not. You can't just say there's nothing wrong with the ref, explain why you think that. As per Wikipedia:EXPLICITGENRE, it is similar to the bad example "... balances the line between indie pop and electronica ..." on there, it's not simply stating it is "thrash metal" unambiguously. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 04:06, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

text: User:SpaceHelmetX1 I still argue the "thrash metal" is not unambiguously substantiated by the source provided, if you still wish to keep the page as is I ask that you provide your reasoning since it's been some time since you last replied. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 19:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Thrash Metal