Talk:List of Last of the Summer Wine episodes

message: There seems to be some confusion over the transmition dates for Series 9.
The BBC comedy Guide suggests 1987, following the special "Merry Christmas, Father Christmas", but the official BBC book "30 years of Last of the Summer Wine" gives the dates as 1986, before "Merry Christmas, Father Christmas".
The Official LotSW appreciation society website http://www.summer-wine.com/summer-wine/episodes.htm gives the 1986 date as well.
The website epguides.com http://www.epguides.com/Lastofthesummerwine/ also uses the 1986 dates.  
This website http://ichuddersfield.icnetwork.co.uk/0500summerwine/0200characters/index.cfm?page=3 gives Eli's first appearance in Jaws the 1986 date
IMDB gives the 1987 dates
So i'm going to change the dates back to 1986, as that seems to be the majority concensis, unless other clearer evidence can be found -- The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.177.121.177 (Talk) on 00:48, 10 March 2007.
Just brought to my attention is a BBC1 Junction Video Clip from "Merry Christmas, Father Christmas" (28 December 1986) on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfzJnj0Atdc) which very forcefully points at 4 January 1987 for start of Series#9 with "Why Does Norman Clegg Buy Ladies' Elastic Stockings?". 1987 does seem most authentic given that for that year dates are Sunday applicable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankmoyes (talk • contribs) 14:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Series 9

message: Radio Times covering up to 4th January 2008 has been published.  There is no reference to a Christmas Special (nor a New Year Special for that matter).  Is the entry here of a 2007 Christmas Special authentic?Frankmoyes (talk) 21:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The BBC website for Last of the Summer Wine (http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/lastofthesummerwine/) says at the top "look out for the 2007 Christmas Special", so presumably one has been filmed.  Paul 1978 (talk) 02:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 Christmas Special 

message: The page is currently showing that Specials 'Uncle of the Bride', 'Merry Christmas, Father Christmas' and 'Big Day at Dream Acre' will be on Series 9 and 10 boxset due out 5th May 2008. However, suppliers are specifying only 'Big Day at Dream Acre' and 'Crums'. What is source of information being used by contributor here? Frankmoyes (talk) 14:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series 9 and 10 Boxset 

message: The Series 9 & 10 Boxset is now on the street and does not contain the six episodes from what is designated Series 10 on the subject page. The Series Overview needs to be amended accordingly.
It should be noted that on this Boxset, 'Uncle of the Bride' is designated Christmas Special 1995, not New Year Special 1996.
In the Series Overview Series 16 is dated 1994 but in two other places it is dated 1995.
Is the Note about Series 16 and 17 correct? What is stated seems to apply to Series 9 which becomes Series 9 & 10 when exported (and is now the case with the latest Boxset DVD).
See http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/lastofsummer/loswdesc.htm. Frankmoyes (talk) 09:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite sure what you're talking about but "Uncle of the Bride" was the film in 1986 that introduced Michael Aldridge, Thora Hird, Mike Grady, and Sarah Thomas to the show. Redfarmer (talk) 12:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series 9 & 10 Boxset and Series 16 and 17 

message: Some controversy is apparently erupting over the number of series, specifically regarding the 1986 series. What has happened is BBC Sales has broken up series 9 into two series for the purpose of international and DVD distribution. However, there are still only 28 series to date. The evidence:
*Bright and Ross's Last of the Summer Wine: The Finest Vintage list only 21 series as of 2000.
*The BBC's programme site lists the series which concluded last September as series 28.
*The number of 28 is accepted by sites such as IMDB and TV.com.
*The number of 28 is accepted by reputable news sources such as The Guardian..
I would ask that we not accept the revisionist account by BBC Sales, the commercial distribution arm of the BBC, as they only seems to be to show potential buyers they are getting more for their money, not to accurately depict the actual history of the show. Above all, any changes to the current numbering need to be sourced or it is original research. Redfarmer (talk) 23:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding Series Numbering

message: To harmonise numbers specified for current Series#29, with which I agree, Comedy Playhouse Pilot will need to be designated Episode#1 and errors in numbering of subsequent episodes will need to be corrected. For example, there are two episodes nubered #20 and two #28Frankmoyes (talk) 15:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is numbering the pilot as episode one standard procedure? Where are the numbers for S29 coming from anyway? Ged UK (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Why is harmonization with that number necessary? What if that number is wrong? Redfarmer (talk) 02:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

text: This is all now taken care of and tidied up.  When I wrote the above "Alladin Gets on Your Wick", was the latest episode to be numbered.  Now all subsequent episodes have been numbered and the errors I pointed out corrected, complete episode numbering is fine.  The current final total of 278 is generally accepted and consistent. Situation resolved and OBE. Frankmoyes (talk) 09:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OBE? --Ged UK (talk) 09:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

text:  Overtaken By Events. Frankmoyes (talk) 10:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh. Ta :) --Ged UK (talk) 10:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I hate to be difficult but I still disagree that the pilot episode should be numbered as episode one. It is not episode one of LOTSW. It's episode one of series 17 of Comedy Playhouse. Redfarmer (talk) 14:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I partially concur but feel we get into semantics here. I agree that it is not episode one of LOTSW. It is the Pilot episode. But it is an episode of LOTSW and should be included in a count of the total number of episodes (which comes to 278). This is supported by the fact that the applicable UKTV channels have frequently broadcast it as LOTSW. I admit that against that is the fact that it has not been included on any LOTSW DVD. Specifying the total number of episodes is the only reason for the numbering. I would never designate "Short Back and Palais Glide" as the second episode (or the first for that matter). It is Series#1, Episode#1. Likewise, "Forked Lightening" is not episode#7 or episode#8. It is Series#2, Episode#1. Maybe to resolve this the applicable column should be headed Episode Count instead of Episode No. Frankmoyes (talk) 19:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a very sensible solution. I've never been particularly comfortable with calling Of Funerals and Fish a pilot anyway. A pilot to me implies that the episode was used as a test to see what the audience felt. I'm not sure (and the article doesn't make clear) whether this was the intention; I've always thought Comedy Playhouse was considered more of a showcase of writer's talent. But that's a side issue: episode numbers aren't important in an of themselves when each episode has a title; what matters more is the total episode count. --Ged UK (talk) 06:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Numbering 

message: Should it not be recorded that final episode of Series#28 is Smiler's last appearance. Stephen Lewis article notes he left in 2007 due to ill health. Frankmoyes (talk) 16:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Off the top of my head, it was in, and I think I took it out because it was unsourced. If it's sourced in Lewis' article, then fine, but otherwise it's just speculation (though probably accurate). --Ged UK (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smiler