Talk:Professional

message: What is professionalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.68.150.1 (talk) 10:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I see no reason for this deletion. John Reid 14:30, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So then wikipedia is incorrect to call Wayne Gretzky, John Elway, and Michael Jordan professional athletes; none of them have doctorates.  Should we modify those pages?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.246.68.2 (talk) 20:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This would also make wikipedia's page on Professional Sports completely wrong.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_sports — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thuff (talk • contribs) 21:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports professionals 

message: We need information about the professionalism of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.172.134.87 (talk) 18:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That really is not the place for it. MadMaxDog 05:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia needs to be professional

message: This article is one of the worst I have ever read on Wikipedia 77.167.176.2 (talk) 10:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meanwhile 

message: In Britain, there is such a thing as a "Royal Charter". Professionals belong to institutions which confer "chartered status". This is a high level of professionalism (backed by the Queen!) but is only partly related to academic progress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.251.243 (talk) 18:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Situation in Britain 

message: First professional degrees:
*Accountant (BAcy, MAcc, MAcy, MSAcy) 
*Acupuncturist (LAc, DAc, AP, DiplAc, MAc) 
*Architect (B.Arch, M.Arch) 
*Architectural engineer (B.A.E, M.A.E) 
*Attorney at law (J.D., LLB, BCL) 
*Audiologist (BSc, AuD, or MS) 
*Biotechnologist (BSc, BS, or ALM) 
*Clergy (MDiv, STB, STL) 
*Chiropractor (DC, DCM, BChiro, or MChiro) 
*Counselor (MA, MS, M.Ed) 
*Dental hygienist (BSDH, BSc, BOH, RDH) 
*Dentist (DMD, BDent, DDS, BDS, BDSc, BChD, CD, Cand.Odont., Dr.Med.Dent. etc) 
*Educator (BA, BEd, BME, BSE, BSocSc, BSc) 
*Engineer (registered) (BE, BEng, BSE, BSc, BASc, or BAI) 
*Forester (BSF, MF) 
*Health administrator (MHA, MPH) 
*Information scientist (MSIS, MSIM) 
*Lawyer (LLB,JD) 
*Landscape architect (BLA LArch), (MLA LArch) 
*Librarian (MLIS, MLS) 
*Minister (Christian) (BD, STB, BDiv, MMin, MDiv) 
*Naprapath (DN) 
*Naturopath (ND, NMD, BSc, BHSc, BNat) 
*Nurse (BSN, BNurs, BScN, BSc, RN) 
*Occupational Therapist (MSOT, MAOT, MOT, OTD, Dr.OT) 
*Optometrist (OD, B.Optom) 
*Osteopath (BOst, BOstMed, BSc(Osteo)) 
*Pharmacist (BPharm, BScPhm, PharmB, MPharm, PharmD) 
*Physical therapist (BSc, BSPT, MSPT, DPT, or DPhysio) 
*Physician or Surgeon: (MBBS, MBChB, MBChB, BMed, Dr.med, Dr.MuD, MD, MDCM, Cand.med, DO, etc) 
*Podiatrist (DPM, DP, BPod, PodB, or PodD) 
*Practitioner of oriental medicine (BSc, MSOM, MSTOM, or DOM) 
*Psychologist (PsyD, ClinPsyD, LicPs.) 
*Social worker (BA, BSc, BSW, MA, MSc, MSW, or DSW) 
*Urban planner (MUP, MCP, MRP, MTP, MPlan, MUEP, MPl, MES) 
*Veterinarian (DVM, VMD, BVS, BVSc, BVMS, etc.) 
A first professional degree is generally required by law or regulation to practice the profession without limitation, but is not necessarily sufficient to enter that profession. An advanced professional degree provides further training in a specialized area of the profession. Below are some examples of advanced professional degrees.
[edit] Advanced professional degrees
*Computer Science (PD) ( see Columbia University [7] ) 
*Dental Science (DDSc, Dr.Odont) (advanced degree in countries that award a bachelor degree in dental surgery as first professional degree, usually awarded for outstanding research to a particular field of Dentistry) 
*Dentistry (MS, MSc, MDS, MDSc, MSD, MDent, MMSc, DMSc, or DClinDent) (these are usually granted at the culmination of a specialty training program in dentistry in those programs that also require research and a thesis to be completed) 
*Divinity (DD or DMin) 
*Education (MPS, EdD or DEd) 
*Engineering (MEng,EngD,MASc,MMSc) 
*Medicine (MD, DO, DM) (advanced degree in countries that award a bachelor degree in medicine or surgery as first professional degree, usually awarded for outstanding research to a particular field of Medicine) 
*Ministry (MTh, ThM, STM, STD, DThP, DPT, PrD, or DMin) 
*Nursing (CNS, CRNA, DNP, MSN) 
*Public Policy and Public Administration (MPP, MPA, MPAff) 
*Psychology (PsyD, MSc, MPs, DPs, Ph.D) 
*Science (MS, MSc) (also offered in medicine, dentistry, and pharmacy) 
*Social Science (DSocSci, MASP) 
*Surgery (MS, MSurg, MCh, ChM, or MChir) (Usually granted after completion of surgery training program in conjunction with a research thesis) 
*Worship Studies (DWS)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.120.202 (talk) 14:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  professional degrees 

message: I think there should be some sort of reference to the word "Professional" as a buzzword; pretty much every occupation / job / vocation I encounter nowadays lavishly flaunter the word "professional". Of course everyone is interdependent, and specialised in the economical sense; but does that make them a "professional" just because they claim to be? I think in the 21st Century this word is just devolving into yet another buzzword.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.80.123.34 (talk) 00:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Buzzword

message: Appears to be entirely 'original research', and bad original research at that. It appears to have been written as a dictionary entry, rather than for an encylopaedia. There at least ought to be a seperate article Professionalism where professionalism is described. Edit: Profession#Characteristics_of_a_profession comes nearest to describing professionalism. 92.29.116.249 (talk) 09:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Article probably ought to be renamed "professionalism" and discuss the concept of professionalism.--Penbat (talk) 10:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is garbage 

message: Articles like this...
Also, "professional" refers to a person that receives money for performing a job or task, and this article clearly doesn't address that because Wikipedia likes to make things complicated instead of presenting simple information.  Wikipedia is too far up it's own ass, sharing the space with it's moronic "professional" editors, to make any kind of effective change.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.124.190.10 (talk) 11:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The problem with wikipedia... 

message: Definition of professionalism: to do what others are doing the same, but in less time and higher accuarcy.
I Concludes this definition, based on personal experience in my work the difference between the average person and a professional that a professional can accomplish the same as the average person does, but in less time and higher accuarcy which would lead to increased productivity of a professional for the average person within the scope of work.
(Ahmed Hani Abdel Wahab)
احمد هاني عبدالوهاب  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmed Hany Abdelwahab (talk • contribs) 21:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Old comment, I know, but since no one’s replied yet… This definition has serious issues. Firstly, it’s original research in that it’s entirely based on your personal experience. Second, it’s not a definition; it’s comparing attributes of some professionals against some non-professionals. That’s like saying the definition of a fast sports car is that it’s painted with flames, because the fastest sports cars I’ve seen had flames painted on them. —Frungi (talk) 01:36, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of professionalism: 

message: Why is professional considered exchange of services for a fee? How would the following examples not be considered professional?
# So would leaving the NBA for one day, then going back the next day means they werent 'pro' for that one day?
# For the monks and priests that dont get paid, would they be considered a pro?
# If a pro is just monetary based, that means I can be a crappy lawyer/doctor and still be considered a pro?
# What about the phrase "He'is a pro.", when playing sports. He's definitely not in the NBA/NHL/MLB/NFL/etc, but still gets referred to as 'pro'. It's a reference based on his skill level.
# A doctor with all the required degree/certificates/licences/etc is out of work due to the economy or is a doctor without borders. No income at all. Are they 'pro'?  
ChappyHappy (talk) 16:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Skill-based vs monetary-based

message: The section under "Criticisms" isn't a criticism of Professionals, but is a narrow rant on systemic classism/racism in the white collar economy. Further, it reads like an ad for the book and has no opposing viewpoint. I vote to remove the section unless there is better content for criticizing the professional class. Does anyone have a good argument for keeping the content in this section? Galen (talk) 20:15, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing what amounts to an ad for Jeff Schmidt's book 

message: This article is a lot better than it used to be, but still needs improving. There is still plenty of confusion as usage of phrases such as (particularly it seems in North America) "the profession of hamburger chef", or the difference between amateur and professional, does not mean the same thing as the professionalism of doctors or lawyers. Professionalism is a culture of codes of conduct, ethics, body of knowledge, etc. People in power from around the world will look at Wikipedia for guidance as to how to behave, so there ought to be a good well thought out informative article on professionalism. 92.29.116.196 (talk) 08:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There are three separate meanings in the article that need to be distinguished: a) what professionalism consists of - codes of conduct, working selflessly for the interests of the client, etc etc b) what jobs or careers are professions or not eg. law and medicine are always considered professions, but in North America people say things like "the profession of car salesman", c) the difference between amateur and professional, eg an amateur or professional photographer or baseball player. 2.101.1.210 (talk) 18:42, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need separate articles on 1) Professionalism and 2) Professional or Profession 

message: It is taken from an author playing to the gallery, and should be deleted in my opinion. It would be allowable if it was part of a larger and fuller article about professionalism, but currently the article gives too much weight to it. 92.29.116.196 (talk) 08:27, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Criticisms" section is just pop psychology 

message: The general area of professionalism seems to me to be unhelpfully split over several articles, including Professionalism, Profession, Professional Conduct, Professional, Professional Ethics, Professional Judgement and Professional Certification. While there is a lot of duplication, there are also gaps in some that are addressed by others. For instance, the response to uncertified persons working as if a professional is not mentioned in Professional Certification. There may also be some disagreements – concerning different professions, geographies and legislation traditions. How could they be better coordinated? DS0022 (talk) 10:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Coordination