Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Premier of the Republic of China

message: Hello everybody.  Before we begin, I would just like to make sure that nobody has any reason that they do not want me to mediate this case.  If everyone could just indicate that they are willing to move on with me as the mediator, we can proceed with this mediation shortly.  --דניאל - Dantheman531 01:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

message: My main point is that the article should be moved to President of the Executive Yuan simply because the current name is neither a common name or the official name. The most common name of the position is "Premier of Taiwan" with 25,000 ghits (see Talk:Premier_of_the_Republic_of_China#Tables), but it's considered inappropriate because the premiers from 1928 to 1949 were not known by this title. The second most common name is "President of the Executive Yuan" with 5,420 ghits. It also happens to be the official name both in English and in Chinese (行政院院長). Chris is somehow claiming that he is following WP:NC, even though "Premier of the Republic of China" has only 915 ghits.
Chris claims that he is following WP:UCN too, stating that ghits aren't reliable but, at the same time, asserting that "Republic of China" is more recognizable than "Executive Yuan," providing ghits as his source. And he has not yet responded to my last reply.
Also, there are five branches (called Yuans) in the government of Taiwan. And the heads of these Yuans are all called the "President of XXX Yuan," for example, President of the Legislative Yuan, so I guess it's a consistency thing also.--Jerry 01:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement by Jerrch

message: My point is that the article title should stayed at its current state because there is no source suggesting that the purposed name is more common than the one we have now. Jerrch insists that "President of Executive Yuen" is official and more common than the current name. While I recognize the purposed name being official, I disagree with the fact that it is more common. I think that the current name is more common than the purposed one. As of now, Jerrch have provided nothing other than ghits to prove his point. One problem with Google search is that Google will search for the term from any websites. Looking at the result of the search, a large majority of the searched sites are Taiwanese websites using "President of Executive Yuen" as the official term. While this official term is and could be more common in Taiwan locally, it might not be the case internationally. And this is where the problem comes in, WP:NC states that "article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity." And I think that the purposed term might not be easily recognized by foreign editors. "President of Executive Yuen" is also a very ambiguous term if it is a part of the title. I choose the current one over "President of Executive Yuen" simply for this reason. Also, WP:NC(CN) says that common name should be used, not official name. So the new name could be problematic. 
As clarification, I do admit that this is mainly based on my personal observation and analysis, and might not reflect the truth. But I think this is an issue. And all I want to do is to find a consensus for this problem. If consensus ultimately decided that I am wrong, I will gladly accept it.Chris! ct 04:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement by Chrishomingtang

message: Since Google hits have been mentioned, here's a table for everyone's convenience:
title                           	google hits on .gov.tw	google hits worldwide	% of all gov.tw	% of all worldwide	average percentage
Premier of Taiwan               	4                     	25,000               	0%             	69%               	35%
President of the Executive Yuan 	2,930                 	5,420                	83%            	15%               	49%
Premier of the Executive Yuan   	350                   	4,840                	10%            	13%               	12%
Premier of the Republic of China	265                   	915                  	7%             	3%                	5%
— Sebastian 06:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google hits 

message: Parties, I have noticed that, following Daniel's recent departure from Wikipedia, you are left without a Mediator in this case. Do you still wish to proceed with the Mediation, and do you, as a collection of parties, view it as, (a) necessary, ~3 months down the line, and (b) viable to succeed?
Feel free to give feedback below this comment, and I will update the Committee accordingly. If it is your wish that this case be closed, that is another option: the choice is completely yours. Kind regards, AGK (contact) 19:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Three of the seven parties had agreed on my proposal, I think as soon as the other parties express their thoughts, this case can be closed soon.--Jerrch 01:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inactivity