Talk:List of machinima works/Archive 1

message: This has been moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Machinima/Deletion/Archive.--Drat (Talk) 12:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion discussions

message: Not entirely sure what to do with this. I've listed one or two of the articles linked from this one on AFD. Wikipedia is not for self-premotion. Just because you made something, does not mean it should be listed.--Drat (Talk) 08:54, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that would be good and all, except that I didn't make any of those series! I'm not self promoting anything. All of them were made by other people, without any involvement from me. I'm just putting them on the list.Dr. B 16:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but I am starting to see people adding articles on their own little series here and there, even if it's not out yet. Let something achieve notability, then make an article on it. If you have a look back a few weeks in the history of the main Machinima article, you'll see that there were loads of links to various "Me too!" machinima productions. Wikipedia isn't the place for such things. I'll need to have a talk with the guys at Machinima.com, see what can be done about this.--Drat (Talk) 16:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh yeah, I deleted those two productions links (which you've now reverted) to discourage creation of the articles. Just because it exists, doesn't mean it belongs. On the other hand, This Spartan Life won an award at the recent Machinima Film Festival, which is something, I guess. I'm still not sure about what to do there.--Drat (Talk) 16:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see your reasonings. With that, I guess you could delete the 'half way home' one, as I simply added it because I had heard of it. However, it is my understanding that not only has 'silver stars/purple hearts' been a featured show on Mechama, it's preview film was also shown at the Machinima Film Festival Opening Reception/Awards Presentation. I think that earns it a place on this list (not to mention that it's the first one I've heard of that combines two games to make one movie.Dr. B 17:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you seen Falling into Darkness? IIRC, it combines two Star Wars games for the main scenes, and Homeworld (with Star Wars ship models) for the space battle. Nicely done. Came out in April.--Drat (Talk) 18:03, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What to do with this?

message: Even though the addition was reverted, there is a precedent for allowing articles on future films if they are somehow notable/verifiable enough. I think that BloodSpell fits both of those criteria, since Google gives 27,000+ results for "+BloodSpell +machinima", and it's produced by Strange Company, a notable crew. The production has been featured in The Guardian and the UK National Museum of Photography, Film, & Television website. In my opinion at least, it's worth at least a stub if someone has the time to write it. — TKD::Talk 13:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I've put it back in.--Drat (Talk) 01:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These are not stand alone movies, but series that are or were updated on a regular basis. 206.8.10.196 15:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That refers to machinima films released in a single video (or a few larger videos). BloodSpell is a normal-length film being released in 15 parts. It's therefore considered a serial. — TKD::Talk 12:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It depends on if you can find independant sources on them, to help establish notability. See my guideline up top.--Drat (Talk) 03:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BloodSpell 

message: Thinking about my above response to the anonymous user, it occurred to me that it might be better to list all machinima productions here and not only include "series". This way, the list would be more complete and less biased toward the more recent trend of serial machinima. — TKD::Talk 04:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea.--Drat (Talk) 08:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Note that I've converted the list into a table so that extra metadata can be included neatly for each series. — TKD::Talk 10:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: Rename this to List of machinima productions 

message: While this is a semi-reliable list I'd like to point out that it is discriminative. Many of these you claim "notable" though they are not. Just because they are acclaimed by your "experts" does not mean they are popular amongst the community of gamers and machinima. On this note I speak on behalf of those in the underground machinima community who had attempted to have DigitalPh33r machinima's, which are among the most popular in the underground community, to the list. To this note I will soon be adding two of DigitalPh33r's most popular machinimas to the list. If you wish to delete them I first ask that you either watch them or discuss their popularity amongst the gaming community.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergna (talk • contribs) 17:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but the impressions we gain by watching the videos, or from reading forum posts, etc. are immaterial. You need to show that the shows are notable according to the web content notability criteria, and source that to independent, reliable sources. In other words, you need to back up that claim of popularity with sources that have made that determination, that are verifiable by others, and are independent of the people behind the shows. The more sources the better. Pointing to forum posts, random blogs, etc. is not sufficient, as those are self-published sources and are rarely considered reliable (with certain exceptions). If you can show that at least two such sources have written about the shows in a non-trivial way, then by all means create an article on the show. But remember that you have to observe the policies on maintaining a neutral point of view and avoiding original research.--Drat (Talk) 18:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If my concerns are not addressed within two weeks, I will again remove the productions. Please note that Wikipedia is not a stepping stone to gain further notice for the show.--Drat (Talk) 10:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Los Angeles Times internet culture blogger David Sarno wrote about Arby 'n' the Chief citing the large amount of views of it and stating how it is an example of "gaming subculture might be graduating from 'sub'-hood." If this qualifies, do we just need one more relaible source? L.A. Times blog post Hello32020  (talk) 15:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: No. Significant independent, reliable coverage is what counts, not gifts given to the producer.--Drat (Talk) 05:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DigitalPh33r Productions 

message: Would the works of smooth few films aka. leet world be worth a mention? They jave been nominated for a few machinima awards so far 
http://smoothfewfilms.com/2008/09/30/nominated/
and have helped rooster teeth with a few episodes
http://rvb.roosterteeth.com/blog/index.php?page=8
The post was made at august 25th and is entitled notes all around  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.126.60 (talk) 08:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs to have won such awards or have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources to be notable.--Drat (Talk) 10:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smooth few films/leetworld 

message: I've requested an article about it
* Engine: Source (HL2DM:S/GMod)
* Genre: Sketch comedy
* Creator: Xanatos
* Producer co.: Janus Syndicate
* Distributor: Machinima.com
* Starring: Boris, HKSniper, Wolfer, Darkville, etc
* Episodes: 4 (hiatus)
** Operation: Black Mesa
** Science
** Grunts
** Trams
Article was speedy deleted plz help  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jscorp (talk • contribs) 05:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Has it received significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources? (see Notability (web))--Drat (Talk) 05:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Forums are not reliable sources, nor are youtube comments, etc. Looking through those Google and Yahoo searches, I can find no reliable, significant coverage, only forums, random video sharing/youtube embedding sites, and the odd passing mention on random blogs.--Drat (Talk) 07:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Gman Squad! 

message: 2009 March 23* — TKD::{talk} 10:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Note also that, were the category to be renamed, this page would ostensibly follow suit. — TKD::{talk} 10:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed category rename