Talk:The Delfonics

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have been trying to clean up The Delfonics Page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Delfonics by deleting bad links and external links that was requested. I also tried to streamline the articles to stick to facts and to eliminate bias. I have been sourcing/citing with links where I can, due to the request of admin's.
Just a little background info.  The Delfonics are brothers William and Wilbert (each have our own set of Delfonics since the mid 70's). The other original member Randy Cain who died in 2009. The only other person that recorded those hits with The Delfonics was Major Harris who joined them in 1971 and died in 2012.
Greg Hill (Goes by Greg Hill Delfonics when editing) was never under contract as a The Delfonics nor recorded as The Delfonics, was hired as a sideman (not under contract) by Wilbert Hart to perform live with his group a few times between 1998 until about 2005. Greg then started a Tribute group, The Delfonics Revue Featuring Greg Hill around  2002.  He now goes by the name "The Delfonics Live" to further capitalize on the name "The Delfonics". 
The issue at hand is that Greg Hill is using Wikipedia to self promote and his business. He isn't interested in improving any other part of the page.
The page was flagged due to having too many external links through-out the articles, due to Greg Hill adding his website to his name every time it was mentioned and he mentioned it more times than needed just to promote himself and try to fool people into believing he is a part of The Delfonics. He want people to click on the link which goes to his website page so that he can be hired as The Delfonics and to promote a booking agency that he is president/ceo of, "Soul 1 Entertainment Group" again to promote his buisness in hopes of someone hiring his acts. (Please see recent Years). I removed the external links that were linked to his name on every time it was mentioned.
There isn't anything wrong with having his name there to state that he performed with Wilbert Hart's group how long etc., but it is disingenuous to have his name written in the member box when doesn't have the right to their trademark or brand. To include his website there as well, and the information to his booking agency and where it is located is just self promotion. He added, "And in 2016 Greg Hill along with former heavyweight champion Micheal Spinks received lifetime achievement awards for their contribution in music & sports industry at the 2016 Pocono Mountains Film Festival".  If he hasn't performed with Wilbert Hart's group since 2005, how is that information relevant to The Delfonics legacy?  It is only relevant to him and/or self promotion (See recent years). He also has wrote (1990 -2000 section) "Greg was a former bassist for Teddy Riley & worked for the New Edition organization for several years. Hill co-founded the R&B group "The Concept" in 1989 and signed with Capital Records in 1990. Hill produced the album "Taint My World" and pinned most of the songs. The Concept released a single call "Homegirl" which was written by jazz bassist Victor Bailey (formerly of weather Report)." We don't know any of that to be true, and again how is that information relevant to The article of the page.  Most of that section is about him.  The last sentence in the (Recent Years) section he wrote, "In 2020, William "Poogie" Hart & The Delfonics;[18] Wilbert Hart formally of The Delfonics, and Greg Hill's "Delfonics Live";[19] are all actively touring in the United States and abroad. These three groups are the only Delfonic units recognized by promoters and booking worldwide." Really? Where is the source for that statement? And, he stated that Wilbert is formerly of The Delfonics and has his name as Greg Hill Delfonics Live.  
He copied and paste that whole section in from an old article, which deleted all of the links and paragraphs. A lot of the information in that section was removed and placed in Awards, Television/Film sections. It is no need to be in that section now. The insulting thing is, he was a little boy when The Delfonics had their first Gold Record.  
If every sideman that William and Wilbert Hart hired through the years decided to use this page the same way, it would look like a tribute page rather that The Delfonics page that should reflect their legacy and history.  
Please take a look at the prior edit I did on (14:10, 23 June 2020‎ Vannessajg talk contribs‎) and then compare those sections.  I know you all don't like to get in the middle of these disputes, however, is it possible to have him sources/give him a citation notice on his unverifiable information. 
I want to apologize for the length of this conversation, but preserving the history of Classic Soul R&B Music and the legends who paved the way for artists today, is my passion.
Thanking you in advance for your time and consideration
(Vannessajg (talk) 18:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have blocked Greg Hill Delfonics Live for their promotional username and edits. I have also done a bit of light cleanup on the article, but much work remains. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:33, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: I propose to merge Wilbert Hart into The Delfonics. Note that most of the text in Hart's article is about the Delfonics. Statements that Hart was sampled by rappers apply to Delfonics songs. In later years Hart has some songwriting and production credits on items that are largely non-notable in their own right, and he has a few later releases under the name "Wil Hart & The Delfonics" (e.g. ). I don't think he has enough notability outside of the group, so some of his later activities can be discussed at their article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS)  14:41, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wilbert Hart deserves a stand alone page being that he has songwriters credit on more than a few singles and album cuts for The Delfonics and for other artists. Of course a lot of the article would be about The Delfonics because of having over 50 years as a Delfonic. However, *Wilbert Hart wrote the songs that were sampled by the rappers. Yes, the Delfonics sang the songs, but they are Wilbert Harts songs that he wrote and he gets the checks when rappers sampling them and television shows use the songs. Wilbert Hart is a songwriter as well as a singer.Vannessajg (talk) 23:32, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Just note that a history of the Delfonics is currently in both articles, which is unnecessary and could also get confusing if something new happens tomorrow and people only add that event to one of the articles. The result is inconsistency. Therefore Wilbert's article must be able to offer something unique that applies to him specifically and not the whole group, because you can read about the group at their article. It appears that Wilbert's article would be very very short otherwise. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS)  15:07, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your position and I've removed a good portion of The Delfonics history.I trust this helps. I will add more on Wil Hart. FYI, If you check out the pages of other singers who were in groups from the 70s and 80s you will notice that most didn't do a lot apart from the group, however there are Wikipedia pages for them. Example Bubba Knight from Gladys Knight & The Pips, Russell Thompkins Jr., of The Stylistics, Estelle Bennett and Nedra Talley of The Ronettes, Joni Sledge of Sister Sledge, Robert "Squirrel" Lester of The Chi-Lites, Al Goodman of Ray, Goodman & Brown, and there are dozens more. They all are all noteworthy.Vannessajg (talk) 16:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Okay, someone else in a different talk page has also argued against merging the two articles, so I will close this discussion and remove the notices at each article. I will also help cleanup Wilbert's article a bit. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS)  23:53, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: William "Poogie" Hart an original member of The Delfonics died on July 14, 2022. Since this Delfonics page was created, his brother Wilbert "Wil" Hart" (an original member as well) was listed in the current member info box. Since July 14th, Wilbert's name is being moved to past members section. Wilbert has not stopped performing since his brother died on July 14th. Why is his name being removed now from the current section when he never stopped performing. I've seen a recent flyer with his group being on the R&B Classic Music Festival October 2nd - 6th.  Why now after all of these years being listed as a current member on Wikipedia, is Wilbert Hart now being removed to the past member section when he has never stopped performing? What has changed?Vannessajg (talk) 11:18, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not an admin, but: that reference calls him "Wil Hart of the Delfonics" and not, "Wil Hart and the Delfonics" or even just "the Delfonics". He may still be active, but the article refers to the band in the past tense ("were") - you can't be a "current" member of a group that no longer exists, therefore all people who were ever at one time a member are now past members. If there is evidence to support stating the band itself is still a going concern, then of course this can be revisited. Echoedmyron (talk) 14:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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