Talk:Grand Central (train operating company)

message: What is the ORCATS scheme? I have never heard of this. Simply south 19:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It’s simply the way in which the proceeds from ticket sales are divided for routes that are served by multiple companies (for example, if you buy an open ticket from Newcastle to Edinburgh, you might end up travelling with either GNER or Virgin). It’s the reason they prefer to sell tickets specific to an individual journey, because then they get the entire fare rather than having to share it with their competitors. It appears to stand for ‘Operational Research Computerised Allocation of Tickets to Services’. David Arthur 19:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed this as POV in the absence of proper 
The York stop is controversial as it appears to be an ORCATS raid. Under the ORCATS scheme the proceeds of a ticket are divided between all the operators on a route based on the number of seats available between the two points. This would mean Grand Central would receive an income for every non-TOC specific ticket sold between London and York. It is likely that this would provide a large portion of Grand Central's revenue. ORCATS would appear to be an acronym for Operational Research Allocation of Tickets to Services.
leaky_caldron 21:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ORCATS 

message: I propose changing the name of this article to Grand Central Railway, as the company never styles itself Grand Central Trains, but as (formally) the Grand Central Railway Company and (informally) Great Central. -- Picapica 11:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. There is already two Grand Central Railways, both near Loughborough. They are not related to this. Also Grand Central was the old name for Marylebone station. Finally this is about an upcoming TOC and Grand Central Trains is the official and commonly used name. Simply south 14:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, that was Great Central. Not sure about Marylebone now though. Simply south 14:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Central Railway 

message: Why is there a picutre of a GNER HST at Edinburgh as the lead image? Yes, they are proposiing to use HSTs (and/or 222s) but they are not GNER and they have (afaik) never even expressed an interest in running services anywhere near Edinburgh?! Thryduulf 09:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the main image to one taken this morning - the inaugural Sunderland to London arrived at KingX, I guess. It shows the logo. I could re-crop it to take out the Grand Central bods posing for publicity photos, if anyone would like. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would note that the main image before you changed it was from this morning, it showed the train arriving at King's Cross with the first service just before 1030 UTC. I presume I must have seen you as I was very much about during the whole time the train was in. The problem with the angle of this photo is the annoying sign in the way, I took a few similar photos but discounted them for this reason. I'll have a close look through my collection and see if I can find anything to improve on this. Adambro (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: There are now proposals for a seperate company, which i have created an article on. It is called Grand Union and is either a sister company or a child company. I'm sure there must be better terminology than this!
Anyway, the article is under Grand Union Railway.
Simply south 20:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GU 

message: Putting this phrase in inverted commas isn't enough. That does not explain it. Indeed, it implies that the term is being used in an idiosyncratic way which is, itself, not clear to the reader. There needs to be an explanation. There is an oblique reference to it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_operating_trains_in_the_United_Kingdom#Railtours
:The second sentence of the article is an explanation of what ‘open access’ means, but I’ll re-phrase it so that this is clearer. David Arthur 22:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: open access

message: Sorry for the multiple edits, I was working on my laptop with no power supply, and didn't want to get nearly to the end of one mammoth edit for the battery to go! I hope the article seems a bit tidier now. Talltim (talk) 13:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple edits 

message: User:Talltim has edited the rolling stock section to state the buffer fitted Power Cars were used with British Rail Mark 4 rolling stock as DVTs before the Mark 4 DVTs were ready. This is not the case. The Class 91 locos were used with a full Mark 3 rake, with buffer fitted TGS vehicles, and buffer fitted Power Cars. They did not operate with Mark 4 vehicles. --86.132.166.0 (talk) 10:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. The reason I removed the previous edit was that the wording of the sentence didn't make sense, rather than that I though the info was wrong. Talltim (talk) 12:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, no problems.--86.132.166.0 (talk) 19:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rolling Stock 

message: I have noticed the photo within the article of the standard class interior seating with "Route 26" branding stitched into the seat material cover thing.  Route 26 is Grand Central's restaurant / dining brand.  To that end, the photo is actually taken from within the buffet car (i.e: half buffet counter, half standard class seating) of the train and not a normal standard class carriage (i.e: all seating), yet the image describes it as if it were a normal standard class carriage.
Could someone please edit the image description as appropriate based on this information?  I have tried to do this myself however I fear that I may get something wrong somewhere.
Many Thanks,
TXC (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Standard Class interior" image 

message: GC press cites state 2 Class 180s were leased in 2009 for Sunderland services + 3 in 2010 for Bradford services.  Modern Railways and Rail cites indicate 3 were leased in 2009 and 2 in 2010.  Can we clarify?D47817 (talk) 17:59, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Class 180 

message: Deleted reference to Tom Clift's departure as managing director.  He was in the employ of First Hull Trains at the time of his death. http://www.firstgroup.com/corporate/latest_news/?id=008701 D47817 (talk) 19:15, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Clift 

message: Why is there a DB Deutsche Bahn section at the bottom of this article?
I see no reference in the rest of the article except obliquely in a reference of DB's takeover of Arriva trains.
Needs clarification in the body of the article
--78.105.232.132 (talk) 08:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: .I think you've mostly answered it (Grand Central Railway→Arriva UK Trains→DB).  I have rejigged the WP:LEAD with the following changes.  Are you able to suggest any additional changes? —Sladen (talk) 09:45, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deutsche Bahn section at the bottom?  Why? 

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message: The company trademark is just "Grand Central". The website uses "Grand Central Rail". Since it is a train company, not a railway line, and they seem to have dropped the "Railway" moniker, surely we should do likewise? I haven't done any great research on this and there may be an instance of the word Railway somewhere on their website but, per WP:COMMONNAME, it seems to me that we should lead with the name they mainly use. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:03, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Although it's official name is Grand Central Railway, I would suggest Grand Central (train operating company) as we can't just call it "Grand Central".
Mark999 (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change name to Grand Central Rail (or even just Grand Central) 

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message: I know it is only a schematic but the Routemap  looks odd, it has the east branch on the left and the west branch on the right. Have I missed something? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:54, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Routemap is a mirror image?