Talk:William Berkeley (governor)

message: "Sir William Berkeley was born at Hanworth Manor, Middlesex in 1605 to an ass and his wife Elizabeth née Killigrew, of Bruton, Somerset. The name of his first wife is not known. He wed his second wife, Frances Stephens (née Culpeper), in 1670."
If this is correct, and you you make the sentence run smoother, add it back up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.225.46 (talk) 22:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Methinks too much space is devoted in the article to an analysis of this non-notable play. If there are no objections over say the next week, I will excise that section, leaving, of course, the play's name and references to its publication. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 02:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Lost Lady 

message: I have just removed what I see is a massive coatrack in the biography. I am pasting it here for future reference: 
===The Lost Lady===
====Synopsis====
Taking place at an unknown point in Ancient Greece, the plot is introduced via a dialogue between the courier Agenor and Phygitian, a servant of Prince Lysicles.  We learn that the Prince has been in a state of anguish ever since the death of his mistress Milesia, so miserable in fact, that “his  whole frame is of such making, as if despair had been the architect.” Berkeley, Sir William. The Lost Lady: a Tragy Comedy, London: Okes, 1639  Phygitian then recounts the story of a war between Thessaly and Sparta.  After Lysicles’s father leads Thessaly to a victory over the Duke of Argos and his Spartan forces, the Duke sets in motion an elaborate revenge plot, “the obscurest path that ever time revealed”. Libelled, disgraced, and hunted by both friend and foe alike, the Duke seeks refuge in the royal court of Lysicles.  Using his cunning and eloquence, he gains the trust of Prince Lysicles to the point where he gains access to valuable military secrets, at which point he quickly flees and shares his information with the Spartan king.  However, before he leaves he discovers that his niece and travelling companion Milesia has begun an affair with Prince Lysicles, his sworn enemy.  In a fit of rage, he kills her and takes her head to Sparta as a trophy.  Now Lysicles is a hollow shell of a man, resolving to live only after a botched suicide attempt, and even then only allowing his thirst for revenge to give himself life.
“What furies governe man?” asks Agenor in the play's opening scene.  Indeed, in its darker moments, Berkeley chooses to have his characters display some of the worst states of human misery.  Suicide and murder are recurring throughout, and more than one character is inflicted with seemingly incurable melancholy and depression.  And yet, the play is able to blend the serious drama of Lysicles’s revenge plot with the light-hearted courtship comedy that centres around the character of  Hermione and her hyperbolic suitor Ergasto.  Pursued by Prince Lysicles and still wishing to be reunited with her banished love Eugenio, she is forced to tread lightly while still trying to appease her strict, opportunistic and abusive father, who “loves no virtue but what shines through wealth”.  Though Lysicles’s vengeance nearly does him in, the play ends in typical comedic fashion: Lysicles is reunited with his lost lover, Eugenio returns from banishment, and even the comedic Ergasto falls in love with the shrew-like Irene, giving a happy ending to a rather dark comedy. 
====Key Themes====
=====Fate and the Dangers of Self-Pity=====
Taking several cues from classical Greek drama, the characters of “The Lost Lady” frequently resort to the language of fate and destiny to describe their feelings of helplessness as events beyond their power continue to unfold around them.   However, there are numerous warnings about lapsing into a state of hopeless self-pity, provided chiefly by the characters of Hermione and Prince Lysicles.  Both feel so overwhelmed by the situations that they lapse into themselves, constantly lamenting their own fate rather than attempting to figure a way out of their respective dilemmas.  Lysicles hinges his entire hopes for future happiness upon his thoughts and revenge and longing for Hermione, while Hermione is so paralysed by misery she must be forced by Milesia, disguised as Acanthe the Moor, to put a plan into action.  Ironically, the words of wisdom are placed in the mouth of the Moor, typically the villainous and demonised character of medieval theatre, as Acanthe the fortune-teller states “All I know is but conjectured, for our stars encline, not force us in our actions”.
=====Revenge=====
“Revenge doth master all our passions, that are not servants to her rage” says the servant of Prince Lsycicles.  Using the common revenge-plot to set the narrative for Prince Lysicles, his thirst for vengeance is very nearly his downfall.  However, the typical revenge scheme, in which the avenger loses himself and his values in his relentless pursuit, is somewhat turned upon his head.  Instead,  Lysicles nearly ends up killing Milesia who has disguised herself as Acanthe the Moor, almost destroying a chance to be reunited with his lost love, a chance he did not even know he had.
=====Suicide=====
As members of the cast struggle to cope with their dark emotions, the thought of suicide crosses their mind numerous times.  Prince Lysicles himself attempted to end himself after hearing of the death of Milesia and continues to ponder trying again once his revenge is fulfilled, while even Hermione entertains the thought when she learns she must be wed to Ergasto.  Once Lysicles realises his error in nearly killing Milesia in his attempt to avenge her, he asks, “If life be given as a blessing to us, what law compels us to preserve it longer, than we can face a possibility of being happy in it”.   Asking who would else would be injured if he decided to end his own life, his old friend Eugenio provides the answer as he returns from banishment.  When Lysicles asks Eugenio to take his life, Eugenio requests that Lysicles end his life in return. Lysicles is shocked by the notion of losing a close friend, and is brought face-to-face with his own hypocrisy.
Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coatrack 

message: ====Synopsis====
Taking place at an unknown point in Ancient Greece, the plot is introduced via a dialogue between the courier Agenor and Phygitian, a servant of Prince Lysicles.  We learn that the Prince has been in a state of anguish ever since the death of his mistress Milesia, so miserable in fact, that “his  whole frame is of such making, as if despair had been the architect.” Berkeley, Sir William. The Lost Lady: a Tragy Comedy, London: Okes, 1639  Phygitian then recounts the story of a war between Thessaly and Sparta.  After Lysicles’s father leads Thessaly to a victory over the Duke of Argos and his Spartan forces, the Duke sets in motion an elaborate revenge plot, “the obscurest path that ever time revealed”. Libelled, disgraced, and hunted by both friend and foe alike, the Duke seeks refuge in the royal court of Lysicles.  Using his cunning and eloquence, he gains the trust of Prince Lysicles to the point where he gains access to valuable military secrets, at which point he quickly flees and shares his information with the Spartan king.  However, before he leaves he discovers that his niece and travelling companion Milesia has begun an affair with Prince Lysicles, his sworn enemy.  In a fit of rage, he kills her and takes her head to Sparta as a trophy.  Now Lysicles is a hollow shell of a man, resolving to live only after a botched suicide attempt, and even then only allowing his thirst for revenge to give himself life.
“What furies governe man?” asks Agenor in the play's opening scene.  Indeed, in its darker moments, Berkeley chooses to have his characters display some of the worst states of human misery.  Suicide and murder are recurring throughout, and more than one character is inflicted with seemingly incurable melancholy and depression.  And yet, the play is able to blend the serious drama of Lysicles’s revenge plot with the light-hearted courtship comedy that centres around the character of  Hermione and her hyperbolic suitor Ergasto.  Pursued by Prince Lysicles and still wishing to be reunited with her banished love Eugenio, she is forced to tread lightly while still trying to appease her strict, opportunistic and abusive father, who “loves no virtue but what shines through wealth”.  Though Lysicles’s vengeance nearly does him in, the play ends in typical comedic fashion: Lysicles is reunited with his lost lover, Eugenio returns from banishment, and even the comedic Ergasto falls in love with the shrew-like Irene, giving a happy ending to a rather dark comedy. 
====Key Themes====
=====Fate and the Dangers of Self-Pity=====
Taking several cues from classical Greek drama, the characters of “The Lost Lady” frequently resort to the language of fate and destiny to describe their feelings of helplessness as events beyond their power continue to unfold around them.   However, there are numerous warnings about lapsing into a state of hopeless self-pity, provided chiefly by the characters of Hermione and Prince Lysicles.  Both feel so overwhelmed by the situations that they lapse into themselves, constantly lamenting their own fate rather than attempting to figure a way out of their respective dilemmas.  Lysicles hinges his entire hopes for future happiness upon his thoughts and revenge and longing for Hermione, while Hermione is so paralysed by misery she must be forced by Milesia, disguised as Acanthe the Moor, to put a plan into action.  Ironically, the words of wisdom are placed in the mouth of the Moor, typically the villainous and demonised character of medieval theatre, as Acanthe the fortune-teller states “All I know is but conjectured, for our stars encline, not force us in our actions”.
=====Revenge=====
“Revenge doth master all our passions, that are not servants to her rage” says the servant of Prince Lsycicles.  Using the common revenge-plot to set the narrative for Prince Lysicles, his thirst for vengeance is very nearly his downfall.  However, the typical revenge scheme, in which the avenger loses himself and his values in his relentless pursuit, is somewhat turned upon his head.  Instead,  Lysicles nearly ends up killing Milesia who has disguised herself as Acanthe the Moor, almost destroying a chance to be reunited with his lost love, a chance he did not even know he had.
=====Suicide=====
As members of the cast struggle to cope with their dark emotions, the thought of suicide crosses their mind numerous times.  Prince Lysicles himself attempted to end himself after hearing of the death of Milesia and continues to ponder trying again once his revenge is fulfilled, while even Hermione entertains the thought when she learns she must be wed to Ergasto.  Once Lysicles realises his error in nearly killing Milesia in his attempt to avenge her, he asks, “If life be given as a blessing to us, what law compels us to preserve it longer, than we can face a possibility of being happy in it”.   Asking who would else would be injured if he decided to end his own life, his old friend Eugenio provides the answer as he returns from banishment.  When Lysicles asks Eugenio to take his life, Eugenio requests that Lysicles end his life in return. Lysicles is shocked by the notion of losing a close friend, and is brought face-to-face with his own hypocrisy.
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Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: ''The Lost Lady''

message: =====Fate and the Dangers of Self-Pity=====
Taking several cues from classical Greek drama, the characters of “The Lost Lady” frequently resort to the language of fate and destiny to describe their feelings of helplessness as events beyond their power continue to unfold around them.   However, there are numerous warnings about lapsing into a state of hopeless self-pity, provided chiefly by the characters of Hermione and Prince Lysicles.  Both feel so overwhelmed by the situations that they lapse into themselves, constantly lamenting their own fate rather than attempting to figure a way out of their respective dilemmas.  Lysicles hinges his entire hopes for future happiness upon his thoughts and revenge and longing for Hermione, while Hermione is so paralysed by misery she must be forced by Milesia, disguised as Acanthe the Moor, to put a plan into action.  Ironically, the words of wisdom are placed in the mouth of the Moor, typically the villainous and demonised character of medieval theatre, as Acanthe the fortune-teller states “All I know is but conjectured, for our stars encline, not force us in our actions”.
=====Revenge=====
“Revenge doth master all our passions, that are not servants to her rage” says the servant of Prince Lsycicles.  Using the common revenge-plot to set the narrative for Prince Lysicles, his thirst for vengeance is very nearly his downfall.  However, the typical revenge scheme, in which the avenger loses himself and his values in his relentless pursuit, is somewhat turned upon his head.  Instead,  Lysicles nearly ends up killing Milesia who has disguised herself as Acanthe the Moor, almost destroying a chance to be reunited with his lost love, a chance he did not even know he had.
=====Suicide=====
As members of the cast struggle to cope with their dark emotions, the thought of suicide crosses their mind numerous times.  Prince Lysicles himself attempted to end himself after hearing of the death of Milesia and continues to ponder trying again once his revenge is fulfilled, while even Hermione entertains the thought when she learns she must be wed to Ergasto.  Once Lysicles realises his error in nearly killing Milesia in his attempt to avenge her, he asks, “If life be given as a blessing to us, what law compels us to preserve it longer, than we can face a possibility of being happy in it”.   Asking who would else would be injured if he decided to end his own life, his old friend Eugenio provides the answer as he returns from banishment.  When Lysicles asks Eugenio to take his life, Eugenio requests that Lysicles end his life in return. Lysicles is shocked by the notion of losing a close friend, and is brought face-to-face with his own hypocrisy.
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Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Key Themes

message: As members of the cast struggle to cope with their dark emotions, the thought of suicide crosses their mind numerous times.  Prince Lysicles himself attempted to end himself after hearing of the death of Milesia and continues to ponder trying again once his revenge is fulfilled, while even Hermione entertains the thought when she learns she must be wed to Ergasto.  Once Lysicles realises his error in nearly killing Milesia in his attempt to avenge her, he asks, “If life be given as a blessing to us, what law compels us to preserve it longer, than we can face a possibility of being happy in it”.   Asking who would else would be injured if he decided to end his own life, his old friend Eugenio provides the answer as he returns from banishment.  When Lysicles asks Eugenio to take his life, Eugenio requests that Lysicles end his life in return. Lysicles is shocked by the notion of losing a close friend, and is brought face-to-face with his own hypocrisy.
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Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Suicide

message: "Berkeley enacted friendly policies toward the Native Americans that led to the revolt by some of the planters in 1676 which became known as Bacon's Rebellion."  This quote from the article is inaccurate.  In June 1666, Governor Berkeley signed a proclamation declaring all land south of the Potomac River to be that of the colonists, not the Native Americans who were living upon it at that time.  After enacting that proclamation, the colonists declared open season on the Indians, and massacred entire tribes.  One tribe that was impacted was the Potowomeck Tribe, located in what is now Stafford, VA.  Only three young children survived the attack (though it is not known how they survived.)  To this day, any living member of that tribe is directly traced back to the genealogy of one of those three girls who survived in 1666.  So, it is debatable that Berkeley's policies toward the Native Americans were "friendly," as a massacre is not "friendly."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.106.140.135 (talk) 14:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berkley's Policies Toward Native Americans Were Not "Friendly"   

message: No mention of slave-owning. I feel that this category should be restricted to people whose slave-owning history was notable in itself. Valetude (talk) 05:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:American slave owners