Talk:Velvet Goldmine

message: This article should mention, in some form, the similarities between Maxwell Demon and Jobriath, a connection which I've seen mentioned before but have not found time to research deeply enough.  However, it is very obvious that the "naked" LP cover was directly modeled after a Jobriath LP cover, and the concept of taking a nobody and turning him into a pop star was certainly a parallel to Jobriath's early career.
Todd Vierling 05:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this original research?  I've not seen references to this elsewhere. Cleduc 20:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: the inside cover of MW's album resembles, to me, the inside of the Aladdin Sane album, which can be viewed here: http://www.davidbowie.se/img/album/as/2.gif I do agree about the outside of the album resembling the Jobriath album however, and it can easily be found on google. UnderPressure 11:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jobriath - And other people who aren't an influence on Velvet Goldmine 

message: This is a bit quirky, but Brian Slade watching Curt Wilde (Iggy Pop) has to be based on Iggy Pop being inspired by Jim Morrison, right? Compare the scene from the movie with this quote from wikipedia page Iggy Pop "The seeds of Iggy Pop's stage persona were sown when he saw The Doors perform in 1967 at the University of Michigan and was amazed by the stage antics and antagonism displayed by singer Jim Morrison.[9] Morrison's extreme behavior, while performing in a popular band, inspired the young Pop to push the boundaries of stage performance.".
Should this be mentioned somehow in the article? I think it is portraying such a classic and important step in rock culture, it sure deserves to be in the list of "Connection to other works" (And that title should be changed as well, mydriasis is hardly a "work"). I'm not to comfortable writing in english, so maybe some one else could put it there?
Reply - This scene is more about Bowie (Brian) being inspired by Iggy (Curt), than Iggy being inspired by Morrison. While Iggy picked up on Morrison's contempt for his audience, he definitively went further than Morrison ever did, including taunting a guy into beating him up on stage. The Stooges often appeared at venues where they were not well received, so Iggy, anticipating a bad reception, would create an antagonistic relationship to fuel his act. Similarly Curt Wild also feeds off the negative energy of the audience in Velvet Goldmine. However, since Brian Slade is Bowie's fictional counterpart, his reaction is not the same as Curt's - after being jeered at while performing, Brian unsuccessfully tries to ignore the hecklers. In the tent afterward he is clearly humiliated and angry but he only has a brief complaint to his manager and walks out rather than argue further - he runs from confrontation, not the best strategy for an artist who tries to be shocking and innovative. Bowie's career languished in his Mod and earnest singer/songwriter incarnations before he shot to fame with his Ziggy Stardust persona. Similarly, after seeing Curt in on stage Brian learns that a better response might be to ignore what the audience thinks and not be so invested in wanting their praise. So he creates the aloof space alien persona of Maxwell Demon - who is not like Curt (or Iggy or Morrison) but more like the haughty queens he knows from the early Sombrero days. So while this is rock & roll history, your analogy is slightly misplaced to the wrong characters. SwishPan (talk) 19:20, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iggy Pop inspired by Jim Morrison 

message: Is it usual to refer like this to a film made after the film under discussion?
"Jonathan Rhys-Meyers (Bend It Like Beckham) had his feature debut playing the role of Brian Slade"
Njál 01:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right - these extra film references are probably not necessary since the actors are linked - AKeen 20:24, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentioning 'Bend it like Beckham' 

message: I've (twice) reverted the addition of this:
:The narrative structure of the film is modeled on that of Orson Welles' Citizen Kane.
We need to cite a source for this assertion.  Though it may be similar, "modeled on" implies that the director intentionally structured it to resemble the other work.  This smacks of original research to me. Cleduc 15:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's cool, I just put it back with a likely source (one that quotes him).  Citing sources is a good thing.  Cheers, Cleduc 23:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I second Agent Cooper's statement -- there are scenes that are such exact parallels of Citizen Kane; to deny them would be to deny that American Idol were based on Pop Idol. UnderPressure 11:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizen Kane 

message: Was the gay sex scene real? http://worldofwonder.net/archives/2005/03/17/hes_just_not_that_into_you/
Avenged Evanfold 12:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The scene indicated is that up on the roof at night, the very shot where Bale and McGregor are seen in a long shot and the camera is slowly panning out, away from them, and a lot of glitter is raining from above, only to fade into the glitter in front of a window in the opera-like set for Brian Slade's next music video. In that shot, Bale and McGregor appear to be simulating anal intercourse in doggy style, with McGregor in the top and Bale in the bottom position...or are they really only simulating? That's the question people are asking here. --37.81.20.39 (talk) 23:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay Scene 

message: Odd that there isn't a mention of the character Curt Wild's partial inspiration being - obviously - Kurt Cobain. McGregor's performance is certainly more Kurt Cobain than Iggy Pop. By a mile. And it's no secret. It's right there in the character's name. This is one more note of surreality in the film, taking it out of the implication of simply being a remix of early 1970's glam figures.
MistySpock (talk) 01:50, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The character is named after Kurt Weill, who wrote musical theatre songs with Bertol Brecht (who was an influence on David Bowie) and whose "Alabama Song" was covered by Bowie. I believe people involved in the film (not sure who) have denied any intentional resemblance to or inspiration from Kurt Cobain. (Sorry for the lack of specifics.) The fact is, Kurt Cobain took inspiration from rock figures such as Iggy Pop, and therein lies the resemblance. --sdream93 (talk) 06:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt Cobain 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 02:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Is there any reason why the soundtrack "Track Listing" is band first, while the "Film Soundtrack Listing" is song name first? I find it hard to find songs scanning down the first section ("Track Listing") and I propose to change it to song name first, like the other section. It won't be hard (for me) to do. Any objections? --sdream93 (talk) 06:13, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundtrack Listing?