Talk:Kingdom of Gwent

message: This image needs to have a verifiable reference, or it will be deleted.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Image removed as no verification has been provided.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

message: The coat of arms has now reappeared in the infobox, and is apparently justified by a reference in Scott-Giles, C. W. : Civic Heraldry of England and Wales. Dent and Sons Ltd. London. 2nd Edition, 1953, 440 p. No ISBN. - see also this site, which under Monmouthshire County Council states: "The gold fleurs-de-lis upon blue and black are the arms of the ancient Kingdom of Gwent."  I'm not happy, mainly because the impression of apparent certainty given by a well-drawn coat of arms in the infobox is at odds with the lack of firm knowledge about much of the history of the kingdom of Gwent, which is (or at least can be) set out in the article itself.  I would prefer not to show it in the infobox - or, if it must be shown, show it by itself with a suitably uncertain caption.  In fact, I'm not happy with the idea of using this "former country" infobox here at all, as it seems to be designed for those more modern and unambiguous states where dates, boundaries, heraldry etc. can be shown with certainty. What do others think?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Coming late to the party, I agree entirely. Dougweller (talk) 16:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I think you and Doug are no fun. It's lovely. If it's really a concern of yours then, like the gentle soul in the comment below this, kindly find out where this 'ancient' coat of arms actually came from and set it out in an explanatory footnote so people aren't 'misled'. I would imagine it came in fairly early as a status marker once the Normans were in charge and has far more 'authenticity' and history than the city seals of Census Designated Areas & such. — LlywelynII 15:23, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not up to us - it's up to the person who uploaded the image.  They have claimed one offline source, which probably justifies not removing the image, but it still gives an unwarranted impression of certainty, in my view.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I follow. It's not important whether it sits on a server at Wikicommons. The conversation to have is to what extent it goes here. Obviously, you're opposed and I'm for (though we could footnote it, with source and your (presumably sourced) caveats), but the uploader has nothing to do with any of that. — LlywelynII 18:44, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox and coat of arms (revisited) 

message: Aberffraw used a modified form, but I assume Hywel's writ didn't run this far. Do we know anything at all about the differences between Gwentish practice and the traditions codified & modified by the Merfynlings? — LlywelynII 18:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Laws

message: Related question: Hywel makes it clear the rest of Wales was operating on ceiniogau (albeit in practice more often a measure of cows than of silver). Did Gwent use the same unit/word? Do any records of their price-control systems survive? — LlywelynII 18:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Money

message: a possible Iolo forgery. See Talk:Óengus_I#Mount_Carno. — LlywelynII 02:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: 728 Battle of Carno

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