Talk:Osama bin Laden tapes

message: Osama tapes was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made below the archived discussion rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS but there were more keeps than deletes
Quotations intertwined with random and rambling snippets of commentary. This looks like someone's personal essay should not pass for an encyclopedia article. --Jiang 08:39, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

message: I don't think the two images of WTC rubble are particularly relevent to this article, at least not relevent enough to merit two images with full captions. I've replaced one of them with a picture of Osama Bin Ladin. Are there any screen captures of bin ladin from one of these video tapes? That would be even better... - jiy 12:08, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Why no mention of the 'fat black guy' Osama?  That was an obvious hoax by anybody's standards.
Sukiari 03:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the 'fat black guy' Osama? 

message: So a videotape apparently showing bin Laden who appears to take credit for the attacks, but who unequivocally condemns Bush and clearly presents the attacks as revenge for US misdeeds. Do you find anything at all slanted about that presentation? Tom Harrison Talk 02:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read the transcript? He does not explicitly take credit for the attack, there is just an oblique reference to "the towers" and that he got the idea to attack them in 1982 or whatever. The video only "apparently" shows bin Laden - since many people who watched it thought it was not quite clear that it actually did, and to my knowledge it has not been verified that it is bin Laden (if such a thing is even possible). That the speaker - bin Laden or whoever it is - very explicitly attacks US misdeeds is undeniable and clear, though. Rkrichbaum 21:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More precisely: "... I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken ... as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America ..." So 24 years ago he "decided" that "towers in America" should be destroyed, and later (Atta was only 14 at the time of the decision, after all) he agreed with the "commander" Atta that the attacks should be carried out within 20 Minutes. This does not read like he literally was the mastermind and "takes credit", but I agree that one could interpret it this way. Therefore I think the best way to put it is "he appears to take credit" for the idea. Rkrichbaum 21:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: This is not my text, I simply let it stand. Personally, I think it was a pretext, but it would certainly be more neutral to state: "The Taliban leaders' refusal to comply with U.S. government demands was the stated reason by the U.S. government to launch an invasion of Afghanistan on 7 October, 2001." Better still to have a source for the reason given. Almost all of the statements in the first part are unsourced, unfortunately. If I have time I will try and find some. Rkrichbaum 21:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just going to let you do what you think is right. I'd like to see how you develop the article. Tom Harrison Talk 21:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slanted?