Talk:Mark Satin

message: *We're between reviews at the moment so I'll add at least one note, and maybe more, here.
*"As the 1990s began, communism had lost much of its worldwide appeal. So had visionary politics in general, according to some historians." Is there consensus that communism (in the sense here) was "visionary politics"? I'm guessing not, but I'm not a political scientist.  Point is ... "X had done this, so had visionary politics in general" will imply to many that "X" is being used as an example of visionary politics.  - Dank (push to talk) 21:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are so right about this.  I've rewritten the lead by dropping the reference to the decline of communism and making "relative prosperity and satisfaction" (as per Jos. Stiglitz's book & economists generally) the signature traits of the 1990s.  MUCH better for context-setting; thanks! - Babel41 (talk) 00:36, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:   Peer review is underway!  Readers in October 2011, please leave your comments there, i.e,. at WP:PRH. Thanks! - Babel41 (talk) 00:36, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions from Dank 

message: Your nomination for featured picture status, :File:Draft dodgers being counseled 1967.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 22:31, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured Picture award

message: After winning a "Featured Article" award, as this article did on February 16, 2012, it is customary for the nominator or principal author to send a customized "barnstar" to the Wikipedia editors who helped bring the article up to snuff.  I thought you'd enjoy seeing the barnstar I sent them, along with some of their replies:
		The Helping Hands  Barnstar
		Dear Dank, Brianboulton, Ealdgyth, Ed, Jimfbleak, Nikkimaria, and Noleander, - I could not have brought the Mark Satin bio up to Featured Article status without the unique contributions (not to mention tact and patience) of each of you.  I am probably two to three times your age, and not at home with this technology.  But working with you gave me a glimpse of a beautiful 21st century world in which individual initiative, collectively honed, can produce socially (in)valuable work that is also first-rate.  God bless! - Babel41 (talk) 23:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, that works for me, always happy to get a barnstar I haven't seen before.  Your dedication is inspiring. - Dank (push to talk) 13:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Thanks for kind words. If you are two or three times my age, you probably remember Babel (:  Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 07:39, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  You did a great job on the article! --Noleander (talk) 13:07, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Congratulations on the promotion; you've done some impressive work on the article, and your diligence in checking the references is commendable. Ucucha (talk) 03:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

text: The source has, "Mark Satin, editor of the Radical Middle Newsletter, one of the nation’s cutting-edge political periodicals, thinks outside the box. He is the perfect antidote for the nastiness and attack dog mentality of Ann Coulter and Al Franken." Militant is a credible summation of that sentiment. --NeilN talk to me 16:38, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Kudos to my seven Wikipedia editors

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Draft dodgers being counseled 1967.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on May 14, 2013. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2013-05-14. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Draft dodgers being counseled 1967.jpg]] to appear as POTD 

message: I have removed the passage commenting on Neil Seeman's understanding of Mark Satin's worrk.  It appeared at the end of the second-to-last paragraph under the "Radical Middle, The Book" sub-section, and it read as follows:
"The author and Canadian businessman Neil Seeman pointed to Satin's work as the intellectual pedigree behind effective post-partisan decision-making in complex policy-making, such as solving childhood obesity."
The Satin article has been designated a "Featured Article" (FA) by Wikipedia's editors.  (For background on FAs, click on the bronze star at the upper right hand side of the Satin article.) All challengeable statements in FAs MUST carry citations, including page numbers when the material is in printed form.  Moreover, all sources cited must be reputable.  At a minimum this means that, except for the biographical subject's (Satin's) own statements, they cannot come from blogs or from self-published books or materials.
In the case of the remved passage above, no source is given.  In addition, the statement as it stands is somewhat awkward and extreme.  Even Satin's most ardent champions do not claim his work is "the intellectual pedigree behind effective post-partisan decision-making."  Generally he is seen as one of several influences on post-partisan thought, as our article alreadty demonstrates at some length. If a special claim on Satin's behalf has been made by Neil Seeman (who is indeed a recognized expert on health care policy in Canada), in a reputable publication, such as HealthcarePolicy magazine or Seeman's recent book on obesity policy for University of Toronto Press, please copy the relevant passage below (along with the page number) and I will characterize it, link to it, and find an appropriate place for it in the article, probably in the "Assessments" section.  Thanks!! - Babel41 (talk) 18:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on removing the Neil Seeman passage 

message: This is an astonishingly good article, even among the Featured Articles. If the writing were not as concise as it is, it could have been 20% longer without drawing attention from fastidious copy editors. Maintaining NPOV when most of those who write about Satin have there own strong POVs is another of the article's achievements. Congratulations, and thank you, to those contributed to his masterpiece.—Finell 02:21, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I think the quality of the article reflects well on our copyeditors and on the Military History wikiproject. A lot of people were involved with this one, actually, but it was mostly Babel's work. - Dank (push to talk) 16:43, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bravo! 

message: Dank, should all of the italicization of the subheaders be changed then?  Some of them were already italicized before I tried to standardize all of them.--EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 23:09, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: EditorExtraordinaire, no - titles of artistic works like movies and books are italicized per WP:MOS. --NeilN talk to me 23:12, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italicized Subheaders