Talk:File manager

message: Why is the Miller Columns file manager grouped under the Navigational file manager heading together with the Windows File Manager?  Although both are Navigational in nature, they have distinctly different usage and should be explicitly separated.  Mac OS X Finder provides both types of interface and they should be clearly differentiated otherwise the Navigational file manager section will become a catch all term.Jpvosloo (talk) 07:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Miller Columns should be separate

message: In no way File managers are a special type of Windows Managers. While some file managers may have rudimentary Windows management capabilities all this spacial metaphor is completly misplaced. There is no such thing.
:The article didn't say that a file manager was a window manager.  That's not what it was saying about spatial file managers. Guy Harris 18:32, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: File Manager is not Windows Manager

message: Mind maps show an information structure in a way, that many people can intuitively overview, memorize and develop the informations and its structure.
In fact, mind maps are tree structures as well as the structures that are managed with a file manager.
So it could be helpfull to use a file manager, that would show the data structures as a mind map. But I couldn't find a software doing that. Doesn't this exist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChristofArn (talk • contribs) 09:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never used it but FreeMind seems like such a software that can be used for files as well. Pomte 04:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

text: i would extend it to a graph, though it is much more complex :)) i read about some experiments  with guis and web(...) browsers who took graph (i suppose it was rather tree) approach. should be not hard to google it 84.16.123.194 (talk) 08:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I have added a new entry (Knexus) to the 3D File Manager section.  It's organizational structure is conceptually similar to a mind map in the sense that the organization is free-form. Context-related files, which may be diversely located, can be clustered together in the virtual space.  However, Knexus is not a tree-structure.  The 3D environment allows all files to be top-level, and organized in space. DrPaul0401 (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A mind map would be a better "human related" user interface 

message: We have not yet chosen the "best" of several bad names for this type of file manager.  Am I correct in thinking that we are only debating the name?  E.g. is this a useful "family" of file managers & should we have a sub-section in this article and a separate category to index all file managers that are in this style, assuming that WP:NEO concerns could be addressed?  If so, can we please agree not to remove the category from the existing articles?  We can then fix the name of the category when there is consensus about what nomenclature to use.  If I'm missing some reason why we shouldn't keep this sub-category, please let me know. -- Karnesky (talk) 23:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say keep the category, but start a vote/RFC on how to name it. I'd say "norton commander-style" or "norton commander clone" since this is how they are usually called where I'm from. Also, there are apparently much more google hits on "norton commander clone" than on "orthodox file manager" (see above). Ghettoblaster (talk) 22:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Categorization of "dual/twin/two panel|orthodox|norton commander-style" file managers

message: REXX was introduced a couple of years after I first used flist.
It was used as part of XEDIT, among other things, to replace EXEC2 (which by the way can do most of what REXX does, though less elegantly), and to implement a look-alike for FLIST using XEDIT directly.  The performance of that combination was not very good (XEDIT uses a lot of memory relative to the CMS Utilities).Tedickey 17:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Role of REXX in flist managers

message: This section is incomprehensible. If someone knows what a spatial file manager is, please clarify. Thank you. --boarders paradise (talk) 04:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Spatial file manager": incomprehensible 

message: I am starting this Talk section to keep track of copyedits working against the July 2008  tag. I just copyedited the lead section. Paulmnguyen (talk) 23:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole article appears OK. It's just the text that requires to be worked on.  Davtra  (talk)  02:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, I'll take another look. Paulmnguyen (talk) 03:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've finished going over the article. There are numerous places where citations are in order, but the copyedit is complete.
=== Expert attention requested ===
This article requires significant attention from an expert on the nomenclature and taxonomy concerning file managers. Section 1.1 closes with some of the argument from the talk page. This conflict of information prevents an effective copyedit at this time. Paulmnguyen (talk) 20:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

text: I believe the majority of this discrepancy has been mitigated in re-wording and organization of the disparate views. -Paulmnguyen (talk) 02:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit log 

message: This article requires significant attention from an expert on the nomenclature and taxonomy concerning file managers. Section 1.1 closes with some of the argument from the talk page. This conflict of information prevents an effective copyedit at this time. Paulmnguyen (talk) 20:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the majority of this discrepancy has been mitigated in re-wording and organization of the disparate views. -Paulmnguyen (talk) 02:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expert attention requested 

message: The page currently says "Later versions gradually abandoned the spatial model" about Windows Explorer.  Is that really right?  Although it's not the default, enabling the "Open folder in own window" setting makes it work more spatially, so "abandoned" seems overstated.
108.18.197.57 (talk) 03:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Explorer "abandoned the spatial model"? 

message: Combining that option you mentioned with disabling auto-sorting really makes it a spatial file manager again.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yura87 (talk • contribs) 10:04, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really, overstated. 

message: This section has far too many problems to list completely here.  Most importantly, it has existed for too long without enough citation, and says things like "for over 25 years" without qualification as to exacting dates.  This is horrible, and unless anyone seriously objects, I'm going to pair this thing down considerably soon. And at least place some measure of dates within the citation warnings. Tgm1024 (talk) 14:32, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthodox file managers: I strongly suggest that this section be *entirely deleted* 

message: Konqueror has the option to turn into spatial mode
Can anyone point me to it? There is an option to open new folders in separate windows (and on KDE 4.8.5 it doesn't work, but I'm sure it's fixed on 4.9.* or 4.10.*), but it seems that it's... Well, just opening new windows for new folders, without remembering positions, size, scrolling etc. Like in Nautilus ≥ 3.0.
--109.187.222.142 (talk) 14:23, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spatial Konqueror 

message: What's the main article for NC clones? Norton Commander inspired software claims that Orthodox file manager is the main article. Orthodox file manager is redirected to File manager#Orthodox file managers. And that section claims to list only notable examples. Background, on an external web page about the FAR Manager I followed the link to Orthodox file manager and fixed a simple wikilink error (IBM XEDIT != X11 XEDIT). After that I stumbled over the notable examples missing SpeedCommander (German shareware). On the page with NC clones it was listed as red link (stub deleted 7 years ago), I replaced that red link by an Interwiki to w:de:SpeedCommander. While at it I also added this link here, but actually I think the main article for the list should be NC clones instead of Orthodox file manager. The notable examples here should not contain Interwiki links, but get a  or similar. –89.204.130.145 (talk) 23:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, OFM is a bit of a mess (ditto for the Norton Commander topic, noting the many redlinks), but as usual the recommended solution for providing organization to the topic would be to look for reliable sources which deal with the topic in depth (probably very few which deal with more than one or two programs).  TEDickey (talk) 00:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norton Commander clones 

message: The given source is undated, and does not provide any of the cited metadata (author, publisher, etc).  It is (at the moment) only a dump of a help-file, which doesn't provide in itself any useful information for the purpose for which it is used TEDickey (talk) 09:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted: WP:OR, WP:SYNTH - no reliable source relating to this issue has been proposed TEDickey (talk) 22:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  no Kugell in source 

message: This article contains way too many opinions. On the whole this reads like some 14-year-old's blog instead of an encyclopaedia article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 (talk) 07:00, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many opinions 

message: The article seems to be saying that the main difference between a spatial and a navigational file manager is that in a spatial file manager there is a one to one correspondence between directories and windows, and that the Windows File manager is like that except it can put the same directory in more than one window but has somehow gotten away from it. Windows File Manager still has the option to view directories in a new window, so what does that mean exactly? Hackwrench (talk) 20:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spatial Windows File Manager? 

message: The topic asserts that Finder is a navigational file manager (which might be nice to explore if there were reliable sources for the term).  However, this topic defines the term to say that there is a pane showing the filesystem tree.  Finder does not show that; rather it shows a short list of favorite locations. TEDickey (talk) 09:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Finder is a navigational file manager, it's important to make clear that, instead of displaying a window with the filesystem tree, Finder—the macOS default file manager—primarily shows a brief list of preferred locations. For the functioning of Finder to be correctly represented, this distinction is crucial. To give a precise description of Finder's characteristics and capabilities, it would be helpful to investigate this further using trustworthy sources."  Fraaz Alee (talk) 13:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  filesystem in Finder 

message: Before 1990 there was a navigational file manager for MS-DOS. It was "PC Shell" in the "PC Tools" suite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Tools_(software)  It had a tree of directories on the left, and a list of contents on the right (which showed only files, not subdirectories). I found the tree view very useful, and usually preferred it to the 'commander' type (which I used only when I needed to see files from different directories in a single view). 125.168.52.41 (talk) 12:29, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigational file manager on DOS 

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