Talk:27th G8 summit

message: Activist Susanne Bendotti was struck by a vehicle and killed while attempting to cross the French-Italian border at Ventimiglia to get to the Genoa demonstration  .
Genoa demonstrator and labor unionist Maria Jose Olivastri was found naked and strangled in Padua shortly after the summit.  Her death was not found to be politically motivated .
Genoa demonstrator Edoardo Parodi, a close friend of Carlo Giuliani, died after Genoa after experiencing severe health problems possibly related to the police use of CS gas during the event, or possibly related to the use of CS gas during the demonstration against the World Economic Forum which he also attended.
Rumors of further deaths and Genoa demonstrators who remain missing after the summit continue to circulate.
With all due sympathies to the friends and families, I don't think that this belongs in the article. None of these people are notable on their own, and their deaths seem to be fairly unrelated to the summit itself (with possible exception of Parodi, but there needs to be a cite from a RS [such as the coroner's report] which connects his [unspecified] health problems and death to the use of CS gas.). This makes that section fairly small, but more info can be provided about Giuliani since his death was extensively covered by the media and I think is quite relevant to the protests. Mkultra72 14:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: There is a slow-motion edit war about one aspect of 27th G8 summit. 
Beginning with the 3rd G7 summit in London in 1977, the President of the European Commission or his successor President of the European Union has been a formal participant in successive annual events -- see   In each article about G7/G8 summits, Lucie-Marie has deleted text about EU participation.  These serial reverts ignored hyperlinks in the supporting inline citations which were also deleted.  Despite attempts to engage discussion here, no consensus has been achieved. Her opinions  here have merit, but they remain only opinions.  No cited source supports these reverts.  Our core policies require something different. WP:V seems relevant because "the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth — whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."
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A slow-motion edit war is worrisome; but discussion can be constructive -- see  Muskoka 2010: G8 members
The edit history of 36th G8 summit records an unhelpful pattern:
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The same pattern is seen at 37th G8 summit:
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This thread may help resolve the issues, or it may help bring clearer focus. --Tenmei (talk) 02:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: EU participation

message: Comparing the English and the much more detailed German Article shows a very strong difference between both. The English Article is very unbalanced and needs complete renewal, possibly in a separate section for the protests. 
1. The English Article is not up to date. Neither the latest film "Black Block" (from Brachschmidt) is mentioned nor the results of the many law suits againts police officers and officals.
2. More unsettling is the tendency of the article. There is an undertone of blaming all demonstrators for the violence commited by the black block. Information which is well documented is completely missing. Sources are:
a) several Italian courts and valid court decisions 
b) Amnesty International
c) several Documentaries
d) dozends of witnesses 
e) dozends of videos on youtube
The missing information compared to the German article and the above sources are:
a) The pure scale of police violence. Amnesty spoke of the "largest suspension of human rights in Europe after world war II"
source: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/international/justiz-in-italien-fassungslos-nach-freispruch/1377650.html
b) the fact, that the Black Block rioted separated from the main demonstrations. That huge police forces stood passively close by, not intefering. 
c) futhermore, the fact that several video footages show, participants of the Black Block crossed the police lines and talked to policemen. There is plenty of evidence for the claim, that the black block consisted of agent provocateurs. 
d) the extreme violence in the nightly police raid on the Diaz-School is not even properly mentioned. People there were "seriously injured" while sleeping. That is a strong difference to simply comparing "injured" policeman and injured demonstrators as done in the present article. 
e) that evidence like petrol bombs was faked by police officers, producing fake juridical evidence to justify police violence. This was a point stated by an Italian Court. This is not based on an article in Indymedia!
f) that police officials and high ranking members of the ultra right wing party Allianza Nationale are reported to have been singing fascist songs from the musolini era and cheered to the news of the killing of one demonstrant.
source: German Documentary "Gipfelstuermer, die blutigen Tage von Genua"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9H731Xt_04
That might all sound excacerbated and artificially scandalising. However, if you watch one of the documentaries and see the video footage yourself, or read the documentation of one of the many law suits against police officials, you find all mentioned violations true. Remember, Amnesty International called this a "suspension of human rights". This cannot be subsummed under the "usual" G8 summit violence. This was a very unusal summit an a black day for Democracy. Wikipedia should protray it as such.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rikuti (talk • contribs) 20:14, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
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