Talk:Black Book (film)

message: In the section "Production", I changed 'Paul Verhoeven moved to his fatherland' to Paul Verhoeven moved to his homeland. This therm is more appropriate. The article Fatherland) explains why; 
Drawing from the Nazis' usage of the term "Vaterland", the direct English translation "fatherland" featured in news reports associated with Nazi Germany and in domestic anti-Nazi propaganda during World War II. As a result, the English word is now associated with the Nazi government of Germany (unlike in Germany itself, where the word means simply "homeland") The word is not used often in post-World War II English unless one wishes to invoke the Nazis, or one is translating literally from a foreign language where that language's equivalent of "fatherland" does not bear Nazi connotations.217.136.184.180 05:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fatherland vs Homeland 

message: Add some fair use rationales and get this peer reviewed. This article looks like it should easily pass the Good Article review process.--Supernumerary 02:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the fair use rationales, hopefully they suffice. - Ilse@ 20:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're mostly there, but they're missing the "lower quality" and "does not impede ability to market" clauses. See here for a summary, and here for a poster example, and here for a screenshot.--Supernumerary 22:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your help. I changed the texts and I believe the clauses mentioned are now included in the rationales. - Ilse@ 22:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wow!

message: I think that the sections are fine they way they are now. One gives the views of the makers and the other the views of the critics. These are two different but important viewpoints, which justifies any overlap. On a side note, I would suggest changing "Behind the story" to "Origins" and making it the first subsection of production.--Supernumerary 18:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Behind the story and critics sections 

message: Good article certainly, but I would recommend that the see also heading be deleted and the link to the soundtrack given a section in the production, because I'd prefer a lead to that article. Wiki-newbie 19:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a 'Soundtrack' section. - Ilse@ 00:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I would like to refer to the style guidelines of the WikiProject Films. These guidelines say actor names should be included between parentheses in the premise of the plot section. - Ilse@ 21:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Some people even want the names in a third time, see Peer review/Black Book (film)#Plot. I think we can agree on the redundancy of that... - Ilse@ 17:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Any other recommendations? - Ilse@ 17:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although you say that you are not sure enough to change this article, it looks like you are well enough informed to currently be the most suitable person to make the changes.--Patrick 11:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA recommendations

message: Question - having seen the movie, I was wondering if anyone knew where the kibbutz is supposed to be in Israel? It looks like its by the lake of Galilee, but wouldn't that be too far away from the fighting of the Suez crisis to be affected? Maybe someone can help - thanks!
:The kibbutz scenes was filmed at Kfar Ruppin -- LamontCranston 15:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kibbutz

message: The movie is going to be released in america on april 4 2007 according to boxofficemojo.com shouldn't this be in the article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.25.182.213 (talk) 14:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The release date April 6 is mentioned in the infobox. - Ilse@ 13:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Being released in america 

message: Somebodies filed a Good Article review over this article, over as-of-yet undefined concerns of the accuracy of the plot section. Homestarmy 17:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA/R

message: The official Dutch website for the film lists Rachel's last name as "Steinn," while the US one lists it as "Stein" with one "n" - As I recall, the entries of her family's name are listed as "Stein" in the black book. Anyone know what the correct spelling should be? Cheers, Mabuse 14:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rachel's last name 

message: The reason I reverted the edits by Jhyman1122 twice are that his plot summary is just not a neutral summary written in a formal register. For example, I believe to end a summary with the words "That is a movie everyone must see" is inappropriate in an encyclopedic article. Furthermore, I have the suspicion that it is copied from a newspaper article since it starts with a date and ends with a recommendation. Opinions, anyone? Blur4760 06:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My revert 

message: What does the film mean?  Why did the director insist on the filming the short clip at the end in Israel even though there were close to bankruptcy?  One thing questionable is the coffin-killing at the end, it even makes them out to be after the loot.  It is almost like one of those classic movies where a certain piece of jewelery attracts death wherever it goes.  But without a certain jewel being highlighted it may hope to address broader issues of treachery, double dealing, selling-out etc. ones in which we're still complicit.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.54.231 (talk) 00:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of the Movie 

message: Several parts of this article appear to have been written by non-native English-speakers (probably Dutch, given the word order errors), and I have made numerous minor corrections. However, the translations of quotes from the Dutch press in the "Critical reaction" section are of glaringly low quality, and probably require complete retranslation. Anyone up for the job?--Yumegusa (talk) 11:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  quality of quote translations in "Critical reaction" section 

message: I just saw it couple hours ago and it was quite a movie so I couldn't help whipping through while the plot was fresh and correcting a bunch of little (and big) things, per edit summary. CarolMooreDC (talk) 07:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: My plot changes after seeing movie

message: Mr Verhoeven is a passionate man who loves his country and his country women and men, but really, there seems to be the same problem in this Movie as in Natural Born Killers. Mr Stone is as passionate for his fellow Americans as Mr Verhoeven is for his, in NBK people are shot, stabbed, raped, burned alive, decapitated, beaten senseless. In Black Book characters are shot, robbed, drugged, raped, tortured, drowned in sh*t, beaten to a pulp. Being ruled by the Nazi's was no party, but look into Dutch History and you see they suffered 10 times more when ruled by Spain. Mr Verhoeven and his team has served their country well in helping to come to terms with their national trauma. That is the most important contribution actors make to Society.Johnwrd (talk) 01:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  When is 'Enough' Enough? 

message: Has Verhoeven ever said why this was used? It removes all dramatic tension about whether or not two characters will survive, despite being placed in great danger in the main body of the film. Lovingboth (talk) 12:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flashback structure 

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