Talk:List of contributors to Marxist theory

message: Currently there is a debate going on in the Talk:Shibdas Ghosh whether one Shibdas Ghosh is a "Marxist Ideologist".  In my opinion it doesn't even deserve to be called a Fringe Theory. I have almost lost interest talking to this user and admin has now semi protected the article.  Someone please look at it as it might soon spill over here.220.227.207.32 (talk) 12:08, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shibdas Ghosh 

message: :"Anselm Jappe rejects recent attempts to set Debord up as a 'postmodern' icon, arguing that he was a social theorist in the Hegelian-Marxist tradition—not a precursor of Jean Baudrillard but an heir of the young Georg Lukács of History and Class Consciousness (1923)." 
Cover of: Anselm Jappe: Guy Debord 1999.
:"Cornelius Castoriadis schreibt im Paradigma des Marxismus, welches er zwar radikal destruiert, jedoch in einigen Aspekten, z.B. der Rätedemokratie zu retten versucht."
 
"Cornelius Castoriadis writes within the Marxist paradigm, which he, while distructing it radically, tries to save in some aspects, e.g. the counsel democracy."
Sven Papke, Georg W. Oesterdiekhoff, Schlüsselwerke der Soziologie, VS 2001, page 79
--Schwalker (talk) 09:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debord/ Castoriadis 

message: Listing folks such as Pankhurst, Thomson, Kollontai, Mariátegui and so on here is not dubious in the sense that WP cares about.  That they are commonly known as "Marxists" and/or somehow associated with the "Marxist Tradition" as it is broadly construed is beyond doubt.  As the relevant content guideline states, the dubious tag is for marking of statements where:
    * It contains unlikely information, without providing references.
    * It contains information which is particularly difficult to verify.
    * It has been written (or edited) by a user who is known to write inaccurately on the topic
None of these conditions apply to any of the individuals that I mentioned.
Note that this is a separate question from whether or not they deserve to be called bona-fide "Marxist theorists."  My understanding is that the  tag is intended for things like perpetual motion machine claims, or perhaps a creationist claim in an article on morphology, and things of that nature.  To be more specific to the subject matter, perhaps it would be dubious to claim that Obama belongs here, for instance.  I think what you are really after is is the  tag, for buttressing claims that they are indeed "Marxist theorists", and the page needs to be changed to reflect that.
--Ibarrutidarruti (talk) 07:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Misuse of Dubious tag

message: Look at the Russian and German pages, their articles on all things related to Marxism are better than ours. It's odd to have some great socialist philosopher-king brought in by a neocon between a theatre theoritician and a western postmarxist humanist. We need categories like in the Russian, Turkish, Portuguese and German versions of the article.79.216.171.64 (talk) 14:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorisation 

message: In my view, there are people in this list who shouldn't be here, and people who are not here who should be --where's Pol Pot, for example? -- but that's just my view. We ought to err on the side of inclusiveness: or, as Job L said, "a list like this would provide a better service to its readers by emphasizing breadth rather than exclusivity."  The real problem is the vagueness of the concept "made a contribution to Marxist theory",'contribution' not being a neutral word, and 'theory' also lacking a sharp definition. 
Perhaps a re-definition of the list as holding the names of "people whose self-description of their political worldview was 'Marxism', and who wrote something about it that others might want to read."Doug1943 20:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Pol Pot is notable for his contribution to Marxist thought.  -Xcuref1endx (talk) 02:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eccentric and uneven inclusion of names 

message: While it is difficult to determine who deserves to be on lists like this and who does not, certainly if the name on the list links to an article that is a stub or barely above a stub status, then that name probably does not warrant inclusion to this list.  I am removing some names where this is the case. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 06:09, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A suggestion regarding on what names should be included.  This should be one of the requirements, however, not the only requirement, but the article that is linked to should be a Class B or up article and must be a high or top importance. This will help us weed out some of the fluff. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 19:03, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing some names

message: But where's Terrell Carver? Jarius Banaji? Kevin B Anderson, Geert Reuten, Fred Mosley, Cyril Smith, Harry Cleaver, Simon Clarke, John Holloway, Michael Heinrich, Robert Brenner, Elmar Altvater, Werner Bonefeld, Enrique Dussel, Alan Freeman, Andrew Kliman...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.32.189 (talk) 06:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Added links to those names for ease of checking and adding. Also should be here: Thomas Sankara; Claudia Jones; Combahee River Collective BobFromBrockley (talk) 08:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  good start... 

message: I've added Abimael Guzmán (Gonzalo) to the list. I'm open to discussing whether or not he should be included, but in line with WP:BOLD and the unsourced inclusion of Jose Maria Sison, it should hardly be inconceivable that this inclusion is in order.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndersLeo (talk • contribs) 10:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I am adding a cn tag to his name. He's clearly notable and identified as a Marxist but I doubt there are independent sources showing he contributed significantly to Marxist theory. BobFromBrockley (talk) 08:29, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

text: I strongly support the additional names added by , but I don't think the sources added for Guzman and Sison are strong enough to warrant their inclusion in this list. We need independent, reliable sources. I also agree with Comradeka that the inclusion of Ocalan is dubious. Ocalan is influential, but is he influential on Marxist theory? BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:48, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Abimael Guzmán (Gonzalo) 

message: surely they deserve a place on this list? Thatjakelad (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuart Hall? Huey Newton?