Talk:Sidewalk

message: I propose retitling this article as "Pavement or Sidewalk". 
The proposal acts to enquire and comment on what Wikipedia policy is or should be on stylistic differences between national varieties of English. At present, Wikipedia policy covers grammar, spelling and capitalisation. It is strangely quiet about use of terms in the title. I notice the page on Autumn or Fall is headed "Autumn", and there is little discussion about which terms should be used in the title.
At present if you search on "Pavement", the result offers "Sidewalk" (through a disambiguation page). This is confusing for non-American English users. Using both words in the title is more accurate and inclusive, and I have written them alphabetically. Thus a search on either term would result in a page that covers the same concept (a pedestrian walkway running parallel to a road) but  includes the relevant terms in the title.
(I am not proposing that "footpath" be included in the title as this term, in British English, can also mean any walkway.)
Retitling would be effected by redirecting the old page to a new page.
--217.16.87.168 08:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A sidewalk is always a path to the side of a road for walking, but pavement (at least outside the UK) is a layered structure which forms the surface of a path, highway, runway, etc. 
* Which Wikipedia articles already have a title with two terms joined by the word "or"? --Wiley 13:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I would prefer it if this article was retitled pavement/sidewalk. Crazy Eddy 20:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

text: * Which Wikipedia articles already have a title with two terms joined by the symbol "/"? --Wiley 04:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: * Neither term on its own is satisfactory. So a solution is required. Is the lack of a precedent an absolute bar on developing a new rule?  Actually I have not fully checked yet, but from what I know of Wikipedia, presumably this is NO. If the convention of using alternatives within a title has not been established, then surely there is a clear rule against it. I'd appreciate a heads-up on this from any interested reader. But really whatever the outcome, the first foregoing sentence herein is the defining point to deal with, that a mere redirect does not adequately overcome. --217.16.87.168 08:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: How about "Roadside Walkway", or something like that? Rather along the lines of fixed-wing aircraft :) Any thoughts? EuroSong talk 22:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Wiley - Footway is the correct engineering term (across different types of English) to describe the part of the highway designated for pedestrians and should be the title of this article with the commonly-used regional variants pointing to it 81.178.77.169 17:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retitle as "Pavement or Sidewalk" 

message: withdrawn by nominator.--Bobblehead 18:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# Support – per nom. EdC 01:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Add any additional comments:
According to the OED, footway is ambiguous. It's been used for footpath since 1523; and it also means the system of ladders used to enter a mine. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That seems fairly clear; in the light of majority opposition, and given that it seems that footway doesn't have the qualities of unambiguity and neutrality the nomination was advanced upon, I'm withdrawing the move request. –EdC 16:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# Support – per nom. EdC 01:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Support – per nom. EdC 01:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: #Oppose This looks another AME vs BE issue and, as far as I can tell, the article originated as sidewalk and has been sidewalk for sometime. There is no reason to move. 205.157.110.11 23:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: :Add any additional comments:
According to the OED, footway is ambiguous. It's been used for footpath since 1523; and it also means the system of ladders used to enter a mine. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems fairly clear; in the light of majority opposition, and given that it seems that footway doesn't have the qualities of unambiguity and neutrality the nomination was advanced upon, I'm withdrawing the move request. –EdC 16:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: The result of the survey was to oppose a move. –EdC 16:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Result

message: The definitional at the top of the page says 'This article is about pedestrian paths next to roads'. Is that so? If so then content and images that relate to 'pedestrian paths that are not next to roads' should be removed or rehoused somewhere else.PeterEastern (talk) 04:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been working on the article to bring the images and text more in line with the subject.PeterEastern (talk) 18:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the suggestion. I have now added an initial section on 'social uses' of sidewalks. PeterEastern (talk) 08:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of article 

message: Thier needs to be a picture of a typicle suburban side walk set beck from the street by a layer of grass,--J intela (talk) 09:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Triskele Jim (talk) 18:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Side walk

message: Is a strip of grass on the side of the road considered a sidewalk if it is publicly held property? I don't usually use the term to include that, but the definitions used in some US state laws do not seem to require that a "sidewalk" be improved to count as a sidewalk. Should we note this possible distinction in meanings so that people are not misled by parts of the article that exclusively apply to improved sidewalks, nor by limited life experiences? Germyb (talk) 22:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I might be wrong about whether these laws classify such grassy areas as "sidewalks". Some people on the internet think they do, but I'm having trouble finding significant court cases that support this view. Germyb (talk) 04:38, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unimproved sidewalk 

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message: Since this article is written and titled in American English, shouldn't "A sidewalk is normally higher than the roadway, and separated from it by a kerb (spelled "curb" in North America)" be changed to "...Curb (spelled "kerb" in Britain)." WorldTravel1518 (talk) 22:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change kerb to curb