Talk:Stanley Internment Camp

message: As you can see from the current state of the article, most of the information was taken from two very informative sources.  These two were the best free sources I could find online.  All the others I found online only make short mention of this camp.  It would be great if a more diverse collection of sources is used.  I've found two books that would probably be great sources:  The Internment of Western Civilians Under the Japanese 1941-1945 by Bernice Archer and Footprints, the autobiography of Selwyn Selwyn-Clarke.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More sources

message: Hi, I have failed this article GA nomination but it was a fairly close-run thing. generally the article is of high quality, with good prose, and covering the core facts very well, and with excellent use of images given the obscurity of the topic. However, I felt it necessary to fail the article on grounds of completeness and citation in particular. That is, I thought the citation was insufficient and that the article failed to cover the topic sufficiently broadly. I will explain these comments in more detail below:
*Needs a "Background" section giving both a brief summary of previous use/history of St. Stephen's College and Stanley Prison and also a greater run-in to the position of civilians in that theatre of war, which forces held what territory. For someone not familiar with the positio the article jumps in making assumptions of a lot of knowledge a reader might not have.
**Added a bit more about St. Stephen's before and during Japanese occupation; added more on why the evacuees criticised the evacuations; specified that Hong Kong was a British colony at the time; pointed out that the Battle of Hong Kong was part of WW2.  I didn't think we need to insert too much information about the war itself, how people felt about it, etc, because that's really for the article Battle of Hong Kong.  Still need to insert more info about Stanley Prison as requested.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA nomination

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Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Came to be known by whom? Where is the reference? Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Just because there were medical personel, it would not mean there will be no epidemics (a doctor without medicine can be helpless when confronted with an infected case, hygiene and frequency of contacts are key to transmission, etc). A citation is needed to verify this claim which I failed to find in the references. Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: If the women were only largely responsible for Xmas and birthdays, then the sentence should be "The women organised Christmas and birthday celebrations.[19] Other diversions such as musicals, plays, recitals, and variety shows were also staged.", otherwise, "The women organised Christmas and birthday celebrations,[19] and other diversions such as musicals, plays, recitals, and variety shows." would be appropriate. Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It would be best to indicate what form of "adult education" is available to avoid people coming up with the wrong ideas... Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Who indicated this to the internees? The references state it as a Japanese official's assurances to the British internees. Failing to state this would make the British Government being the ones assuring the internees of this. Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The reference states these Japanese nationals might be valuable to the Japanese military for their knowledge of the Australian coastline. This should be the reason for their captivity, instead of them being held as a deterrent against the Australian invasion. Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: No problem. In view of this, the hold can be extended to 2 weeks instead of the standard 1. Jappalang (talk) 06:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot, that'll help tremendously.  Happy holidays!  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks!  I'll see what I can do about your non-GA related suggestions before I bring this article to FAC.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA assessment (25 Dec 2007)

message: * Christmas Day of 1941, which came to be known as "Black Christmas"
: Came to be known by whom? Where is the reference? Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because there were medical personel, it would not mean there will be no epidemics (a doctor without medicine can be helpless when confronted with an infected case, hygiene and frequency of contacts are key to transmission, etc). A citation is needed to verify this claim which I failed to find in the references. Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: If the women were only largely responsible for Xmas and birthdays, then the sentence should be "The women organised Christmas and birthday celebrations.[19] Other diversions such as musicals, plays, recitals, and variety shows were also staged.", otherwise, "The women organised Christmas and birthday celebrations,[19] and other diversions such as musicals, plays, recitals, and variety shows." would be appropriate. Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It would be best to indicate what form of "adult education" is available to avoid people coming up with the wrong ideas... Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Who indicated this to the internees? The references state it as a Japanese official's assurances to the British internees. Failing to state this would make the British Government being the ones assuring the internees of this. Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The reference states these Japanese nationals might be valuable to the Japanese military for their knowledge of the Australian coastline. This should be the reason for their captivity, instead of them being held as a deterrent against the Australian invasion. Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reasons for the assessment

message: These are suggestions which have no bearing on the GA assessment above unless their implementation contravenes WP:WIAGA. They are meant to help improve the article further, and can be implemented after the GA assessment if they are taken up on.
* The reference, "The Women of Stanley" mentions atrocities committed at St Stephen’s College before it was turned into part of Stanley Internment Camp. This can be mentioned as part of the history of the Camp. Jappalang (talk) 01:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. In view of this, the hold can be extended to 2 weeks instead of the standard 1. Jappalang (talk) 06:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot, that'll help tremendously.  Happy holidays!  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions

message: *Reference has been added for "Black Christmas".  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up

message: The above concerns have been addressed, and this article is awarded a GA status for History (War and military). Congratulations! Jappalang (talk) 05:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!  I'll see what I can do about your non-GA related suggestions before I bring this article to FAC.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA passed (01 Jan 2008)

message: very interesting article. one question what does 'non-segregated' mean? were all races in together, or all sexes? ie were family groups allowed to stay together? this is different from some of the other camps where men seperated from women and children Batu Lintang camp is one. thanking you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.46.248 (talk) 14:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The camp was specifically for non-Chinese civilian nationals of nations that were enemies with Japan.  It was "non-segregated" both in the sense of gender and races/ethnicities.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  a question 

message: I found your article very interesting. Is it possible to link it to a transcription of the Day Joyce sheet or some other record of the prisoners? I think my grandfather and his mother and sisters may have been at this camp.
HongKongroots (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We can add an "External links" section for something like that.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  another question 

message: Has anyone got details to add on about the Stanley Shield? That is a seven-a-side soccer tournament that they organised in the camp. The Shield ended up being one of the local soccer tournament. 14.2.121.76 (talk) 09:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stanley Shield