Talk:Saul Tigh

message: I seriously doubt someone's going to create articles about extremely minor characters.--KrossTalk 06:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A page move by a normal user wouldn't have worked.  Only an admin would've been able to move it.--KrossTalk 17:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did either of you two think about using the proper procedure? (ie. WP:RM) 132.205.44.134 03:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Saul Tigh vs Colonel Saul Tigh

message: Anyone else think the 'stub' notices can be removed?  This article seems pretty well fleshed out..  Carnifex 00:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have removed the stubs... └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 07:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove stub? 

message: Could somebody expand on the copyright issues regarding the use of Paul Tigh? I'm just wondering why they could use all of the other character names/callsigns but not his. Koweja 19:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Tigh copyright 

message: The intro to Saul Tigh says he executes his wife for treason. That's a huge plot spoiler to anyone who hasn't seen it happen yet. BSG does huge twists and her committing treason is hinted at in the first series, but I think him executing her is a huge plot spoiler. I suggest before she died/passed away or just a plain "He was married to Ellen Tigh." 212.50.172.192 15:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs to be revised, you're right. The best solution is probably to remove the line completely, and leave the events of his wife's death to the bio section, in the appropriate context. Same thing with the line about his role as XO, since that has changed over the course of the series as well... -- Fru1tbat 14:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There hasn't been any action on this for a while. Since the marriage/position details are already mentioned in the bio within context, to avoid any spoilers (and also to maintain an out-of-universe perspective on the overall article), for now I'm taking them out of the lead section. --Fru1tbat 19:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. But there needs to be a spoiler template to warn people, which I'll add! ▫ Urbane Legend chinwag 10:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, actually, no I won't. I've just read WP:SPOILER and learned that Wikipedia doesn't use spoiler templates any more. Fairynuff. ▫ Urbane Legend chinwag 11:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler? 

message: These need some cleanup. First of all, there's really no such thing as "Season 2.5" (let alone "2.9"!). It's a term specific to the U.S. DVD releases (and to a degree, the broadcast schedule, but the show's website doesn't distinguish between the two halves), and really doesn't belong here. Second, there was really no succession and re-succession involving the resistance. He was imprisoned, and yes, Tyrol was in charge for a little, but it was a temporary situation, and it isn't really worth the clutter of an extra box... Besides, it's a little confusing that way. He automatically took charge upon his return, and it wasn't a very long absence, so really, Tyrol never truly "succeeded" him, in my opinion. It's analogous to his temporary role as CO of Galactica... I'll wait a little before editing, because I'm not sure what the best solution is (though I'm tempted to get rid of everything but the XO box). Thoughts? -- Fru1tbat 23:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Follow-up: I just noticed that WP:WAF specifically prohibits in-universe succession boxes. On those grounds, I think we have no choice but to remove the boxes entirely... -- Fru1tbat 23:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: according to the WP:WAF concerns, it seems that although prohibited, fictional universes that are already fixed in stone could apply them without threat of future revision (like... LotR, Horatio Hornblower, SPACE:1999, etc). (It would also seem to be appropriate when talking Doctor Who about who is the Doctor... since that show is not temporally bound anyways, eras are based on whom regenerated into whom) 70.55.84.98 23:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession boxes 

message: Should the photo in this article be one of the promo shots from Season Three that shows him with his eyepatch?  That seems to be the most accurate way to represent the character. KyuzoGator 19:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be seen as a spoiler, I suppose, though a pretty weak one. If the only grounds for changing it are "it's the character's current representation", then I'd oppose it. Since it's a work of fiction, the entire continuity should be treated as "current". Personally, I'd prefer it stay the way it is. --Fru1tbat 19:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair, but take a look at the Wiki article for Big Boss (a character from the Metal Gear video games).  It shows him with his trademark eyepatch even though we don't learn how he got it until Metal Gear Sold 3.  I think it's fair to say that the eyepatch is a huge part of the Tigh character now. KyuzoGator 20:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not familiar with the Metal Gear series (I played the original, but that was a long time ago), so I'm making the assumption that since you call it his "trademark" eyepatch, it was always a part of his character, whether or not the story behind it had been revealed. That already makes it different from the case here, where the mere presence of the patch implies a perspective from later in the series (though its presence doesn't inherently make known any specific details, which is why I called it a "weak" spoiler). While the eyepatch is definitely part of the character now, that's irrelevant to the spoiler issue (the "now" is what makes it a problem, actually). Starbuck's marriage to Anders, for example, is certainly important to her character, but still obviously a spoiler. Minutiae aside, what's important, I believe, is recognizing the need to avoid temporal perspective in fictional character articles. The eye patch may be important to his character now, but the article covers the character's entire continuity, which is why I'm uncomfortable with using a picture that shows the result of a major plot point as the main picture. --Fru1tbat 20:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eyepatch Photo? 

message: I think this should be reverted back, or at the very least a notation should be added showing that he suspects that he is a cylon as of the season 3 finale but as of now it has not yet been confirmed that he is indeed a cylon. 12.17.36.1 13:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GAH! tis true, but I refuse to say it makes for good storytelling... I'm about tired of this series, I worry this new development has killed it for me... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.215.81 (talk) 00:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest giving it a chance, but to each their own. -- Noneofyourbusiness 02:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a big difference between him telling us what to expect in an upcoming season and him confirming something he's already put into the show that people are questioning.  You may as well tell us to put that Starbuck never died. 71.222.223.223 18:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ron Moore does not have a history of misleading people, he has a history of making vague comments about upcoming and potential storylines and declining to give actual answers. For example, he and David Eick both declined to say anything definitive about Starbuck's fate except for Eick's statement that "The character of Starbuck will undergo a huge transformation". Ron Moore certainly has no history of outright lying, which is what he would be guilty of if it proved false that the four are Cylons. He flatly stated that they are, more than once. No weasel words, fudging, hedging, etc, just "Yes, they're Cylons" and "These are four of the final five Cylons". If he proved a liar there would henceforth be no reason to listen to a word he says. As for the Chief dying, I certainly don't remember that even being hinted or seeing anyone talk about it, so I'm fairly certain that Gateman is misremembering. Now if he said something about thinking of killing off the Chief, which I can't recall or haven't seen, that would be different from outright lying because it wouldn't be definitive. When speaking of the Cylon nature of Anders, Foster, Tigh, and the Chief, he has been definitive. See these interviews: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm and  http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=4d1c0568-6fee-467a-8d81-1d360d808ac3#comments I know this has been very long, but I'm being very precise in order to cover all aspects of the matter and end the discussion. -- Noneofyourbusiness 16:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrectly Labled as Humanoid Cylon?

message: How the frack can he be a Cylon if he participated (as a teenager!) in the First Cylon War, when the toasters were only experimenting with half-human hybrids (according to the Razor flashbacks). This is a HUGE problem in the storyline. Does anyone have an explanation we can include, or did they just make him a Cylon because he's the last person you'd expect (uncharacteristically "cheap", in that case)? --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The things about him being a soldier as a teenager were probably just false memories he was given. This is just speculation, of course, but it's my two cents. 76.244.31.110 (talk) 21:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

text: As you said, Tigh said that he served for 40 years. Perhaps he thinks he did, when he only recieved memories. Remember, the four revealed members of the Final Five don't know the full extent of their existence as Cylons yet. As for him meeting Adama, maybe his model was in use by then, despite the hybrid experimentation thing. Though, since his model number is at the least number 7, this is odd. Maybe the numbers don't relate to the time of creation. 76.244.31.110 (talk) 19:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Humanoid Cylon never appear to age because they download into new bodies frequently.  If they stayed in the same body for years, they would age like any other biological entity.  The Cavil models have obvsiously been affected by aging, though all of their copies start out in old age.  All we know about Tigh's history is that Adama's known him for 28 years, he has records of military service during the first Cylon war, and he's a Cylon.  We don't know his true history, or how he entered into Colonial society in the first place.  Until that's revealed on the show, we can't say whether it all fits. 98.164.64.171 (talk) 23:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say i really agree with the above comment more than any other of the comments here. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 12:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

text: It seems kind of stupid that there is a huge race of android who only created 12 models for infiltrating the humans. and also, that those twelve models exist in great quantities, but supposedly are expected to infiltrate in secret. wouldn't it make more sense to make hundreds of different models, so that if one is discovered, you still have hundreds to choose from? --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 12:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Maybe he is not a cylon but thiinks he is after all he was drinking when he first heard the noise  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.50.16 (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't get it... 

message: Can William Adama really promote Tigh to Admiral? That's his rank. He should be limited to a promotion to Commander. Only Lee Adama can promote Tigh to Admiral. 70.55.86.34 (talk) 07:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think he really was promoted, it was never said he was and he never actually wore the insignia. Unit commanders never have the authority to really promote anybody over E3 in the US. In the Army up to Specialist, but not Corporal. So in BSGs case they either just have him promoting whomever because of their situation or it is supposed to be that way in Colonial Fleet. Though Adama is "commander of the fleet" so that would probably be enough. As for promotions in the flag ranks, he wouldn't, at least if they are trying to keep it to the US way of things. Flag rank comes with appointment by the president to a position befitting of flag rank. Admirals are politicians, same for generals. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 15:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rear Admiral 

message: I think it would be appropriate to change the beginning of the body of the page to stating that Tigh was a Viper pilot in the past versus having memories of being a Viper pilot.  It is now clear that Col. Tigh was around for the First Cylon War as the Final Five do have a separate existence than the other seven.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zappa2496 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the episode "No Exit," they are indeed false memories. Tigh was introduced into the Colonial population after the war was over and his memories from the war (and eariler) were manufactured by Cavil. -209.40.212.28 (talk) 05:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Given the events at the start of season 4.5