Talk:Greater Sudbury

message: Good work Bearcat, I couldn't have done it better myself :-D. It's nice to see people use my version rather than that other horrid one floating around. --  Earl Andrew - talk 19:07, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I just copied and pasted it off Hamilton and made the necessary changes. Not all that hard. Bearcat 23:04, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: To the person/people who keep editing this article to guess at 2004 or 2005 population figures: Wikipedia should only reflect actual census data, not rough yearly estimates (especially not ones that can't be sourced). Please do not alter the population figure until the 2006 census results are released. Bearcat 23:12, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Population figures

message: CHNO called itself "Daryl 103" for exactly one freaking day as a show of support for Canadian Idol competitor Daryl Brunt. It is not to be noted as the station's primary brand name in place of Z103. Bearcat 02:26, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Radio stations

message: The homelessness and food bank figures that were added to the article require a source. Also, regarding the assertion about Ontario Works rates not adequately meeting housing costs, that's a pretty standard Ontario-wide problem. Sudbury is far from unique in that regard; it doesn't merit special mention here. Though, come to think of it, Kimberly Rogers probably does. Bearcat 05:26, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wood Buffalo and Halifax are both regional municipalities, not cities. Greater Sudbury is, areawise, the largest municipal entity in English Canada to be designated as a city. Bearcat 06:25, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Well, it's not really about how I wrote it; it wasn't originally my addition. Thing is, we really can't let popular understanding trump accuracy; while  "regional municipality" and "city" are often effectively the same thing in practice, they're not the same thing in law, and Wikipedia cannot say they are. But I'll try to find a way to rephrase the sentence so that it addresses your concern without actually presenting an inaccurate picture of the situation. Bearcat 00:11, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: What an excellent article on Sudbury. Well researched.
However, some information is rather dated in the "communities within the city" area:
- Milnet & Sellwood are ghost towns. As far as I know, nobody lives that far north of the city.
- ditto for "Happy Valley." 
: All of their articles acknowledge that.
- where's "Nickeldale"? I've lived in Sudbury for 28 yrs and I've never heard of it.
: It's the neighbourhood south of Lasalle Blvd between Montrose and the Data Centre: Apollo Terrace, Sunnybrae Ave., etc. It is more commonly grouped within "New Sudbury", but the general consensus on Wikipedia has been that any named community or neighbourhood in a city merits an article. Certainly it's no less valid a listing than Adamsdale.
- Robinson, Lo-Ellen, Lockerby and McFarlane Lake are usually called by their collective name "The South End"
: Again, the general consensus on Wikipedia has been that any named community or neighbourhood in a city merits an article.
- where's Milate?
: Frankly, I'm not even entirely sure Milate actually exists, but it appears on the map on the CN line east of Creighton, in the former town of Walden. Doesn't even have road access. I can neither vouch for it nor find any references to figure out what the hell it is, but it's mapped and was added here by someone else.
Also, the Greater Sudbury airport now has non-stop flights to Varadaro, Cuba.
: I'll add that.
Other than that, awesome article. I was very surprised at the amount of detail.
: Glad you appreciate. Bearcat 22:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting 

message: Until Zig's gets its own wikipedia article, I feel that this information isn't necessary in an article for Sudbury.  
I like the idea of including information about things like gay sporting leagues, teams or organizations however, regarding the hockey league statement, the reference doesn't mention anything about the hockey league being gay or that members are part of the gay community.  I've contacted someone currently in charge of Sudbury’s pride festivities to provide more insight.
I should mention that I'm the one who had originally included this information in the article so if anyone disagrees with me you can go ahead and put it back in.
Here's the piece I removed:
:In their 8 years of business, Zig's has raised approximately $10,000 in various fundraisers for the gay community, as well as sponsoring a women's hockey league with a number of teams throughout Northern Ontario. The bar offers a sitting room, a dance floor, pool tables, and a pinball machine. They play mostly upbeat dance music and host a weekly karaoke night. Pdelongchamp 16:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The gay community and culture info is neither distinctive or relevant. Could it be better positioned under articles for à la Gay Ontario or Gay Canada, while leaving behind a "See XXX" sentence? CJ Withers 20:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno...I think it's perfectly valid for this article to note that Sudbury has both the only gay bar and the only gay pride parade in the entire Northern Ontario region. A "Gay Ontario" or "Gay Canada" article could really only be a basic overview; if such an article were to actually list every individual gay bar in every Canadian city, it would be entirely too long and detailed to actually be very useful. Though I personally think it's fine, I wouldn't necessarily object to shortening the section either, but I think at least one sentence noting that it's the only city in the region with a gay bar and a Pride parade is perfectly valid. Bearcat 23:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay community and culture 

message: I've added a tiny paragraph about football in Sudbury.  I thought it should be mentioned.  Albertkoholic 05:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football in Sudbury 

message: in response to this, we dont want to scare people away... :)Anung Mwka 23:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not really the issue; climate is a regional thing and individual cities rarely, if ever, have their own individual microclimates separately from the larger climactic region they're a part of. It's just a typical Central/Northern Ontario (warm summers, cold winters) climate with some urban heat island effects. Bearcat 22:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just added a Climate Section, stuck it in the middle before Notables, I had no clue where to put it. It contains Temperature and Precipitation Data. Yes, I know the data doesnt add up in some areas, but dont change it, as that is official. All data came from Environment Canada, and I put a direct link to that weather section under External Links called "Full Weather Data". Enjoy... Anung Mwka 01:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Also, because the data is only valid up to 2000 for the Record Highs and Lows and all other records, the records area is not 100% accurate so I dont see the point in adding that. ie, I know for a fact Sudbury set the highest record October temperature in 2005. Anung Mwka 02:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Climate section is begrudgingly updated with record highs, lows and what not, also is now using the proper table. And indeed, those colors make Sudbury look like one heck of an ice spot... Anung Mwka (talk) 03:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate? 

message: I thought educaiton and healthcare warranted their own categories, instead of being part of education & culture.  Moved demographics up to below the geography - thought they should go together.  Also added a small section on emergency services.  Blotto adrift 04:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New categories 

message: This bit was recently added to the history section:
"The city's economic growth has also been hindered at times by taxation issues: because of federal corporate taxation rules pertaining to natural resources companies, Sudbury is one of the largest cities in Canada that does not have the power to directly levy municipal taxes on its own largest employers, a fact which has sometimes left the city without a sufficient tax base to adequately maintain or improve municipal services. "
Is this accurate?  My understanding that is that the municipality can levy property taxes on the surface buildings of mining operations, but not the underground facilities.  Consequently, INCO & Falconbridge (whose new names escape me at the moment) have been moving more & more things underground.  Corporate taxes and other taxes are definitely out of reach of the city.  Blotto adrift 03:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how that's necessarily incompatible with the statement at hand, but I've rephrased it to be clearer nonetheless. Bearcat 03:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks.  I thought it incompatible because of the "does not have the power to directly levy municipal taxes" part.  They do have the power to do that, but the new wording is fine.  Wording or not, there's no question that the City does need access to new revenue sources.  There was some sort of ruling a couple of years back to the effect that INCO was overcharged on property taxes over several years.  INCO didn't make the City pay them back, but it did make a dent in subsequent revenue.  Blotto adrift 03:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I have to admit that I phrased that part badly. I didn't think that's what I'd written, because what I meant to say was something closer to your point...but it came out wrong and I didn't realize that because I was seeing what I meant to say rather than what I actually said. Duh. Bearcat 04:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: I have started to convert the in-line-links to refrences (just adding the  to them).  I will be back to put in proper citations to the respective websites.--Kelapstick 19:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Refrences

message: I removed a statement "much of the remaining population is bilingual", the wording (and the source) is flawed.  It suggested that ~62% of the population only spoke English, and ~28% only spoke French, much of the remaining were bilingual (about 2000).  There are far more than 2000 bilingual people in Sudbury.  Also the table in the section is flawed too, it shows 49% being of Canadian origin, 39% being of French origin, and 20% being of English origin.  I know it isn't the case but it looks like one of two things:
#49% is Native Canadian, 39% are French Canadian, 20% are English Canadian
#49% were born in Canada, 39% are immigrants who were born in France, 20% are immigrants who were born in England
I find the table confusing and don't think it really shows any good information.  Suggestions, alternative sources for demographics that might make more sense?--Kelapstick 21:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: i added a paragraph under theater for ESMC because there was nothing there even though the school's theater program has seen a lot of great actors/writers go through it, and is consistently representing the city well at out of town fetivals. I was a member of the theater group, and something like, 18 times out of the past 20 years, macdonald-cartier has ben provincially recognized, and I don't think other schools can say the same. I don't have a source for that so I didn't write that specifically, but I'm working on finding a source. 
I dunno, I felt it would be important to mention a school that is consistently pumping out amazing cultural material for franco-ontarians, if you include all of the alumni.
Swiffer (talk) 07:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Additions are welcomed. Please provide a source or external link to verify your edits. Flibirigit (talk) 14:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  école secondaire macdonald cartier 

message: I was just wondering if it would be ok to do a little write up of the sudbury underground music scene? I'm a member of the scene and a lot of bands from the city have had a lot of success in the canadian scene, some bands even being signed to labels in europe. Just a suggestion?Swiffer (talk) 07:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Additions are welcomed. Please provide a source or external link to verify your edits. Flibirigit (talk) 14:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  music section 

message: I find it interesting for Greater Sudbury having sister cities, however I cannot find any sources to list those two cities.  All I found was council meeting transcripts about the possibility of having sister cities, however none of these two were named and if it was eventually, then it is not easy to find.  Could someone possibly clarify this, and find a reliable source for them?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.91.168.250 (talk) 14:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister cities 

message: I'm trying to decide whether, in light of last week's fire, the Sudbury Steelworkers Hall could be considered sufficiently notable for its own article. I'm a bit ambivalent about it, because I'm not sure whether my own born-and-bred-in-the-Sudz familiarity with the building is colouring my judgement regarding its actual encyclopedia-worthiness, so I'd like to ask if anybody else has an opinion one way or the other. Bearcat (talk) 18:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My coloured judgement on this too, but i found out about the fire from browsing google earth. It is one of the most well known buildings in Southtown. Picture maybe. From the happier years. delirious & lost ☯ ~hugs~ 06:22, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I'd like to nominate this as a good article. It seems to meet the criteria as I understand them. It is also (in my opinion) one of the best, most comprehensive and best referenced articles on Wikipedia. Perhaps someone with more Wikipedia experience can give their opinion of whether this article meets the criteria for being selected as a good article.Bulshoy (talk) 19:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there are probably still some small improvements that can be made (I'm adding additional references and expanding the content whenever I can), but I'm glad that the work that we've done so far is appreciated. Bearcat (talk) 02:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article? 

message: The sentence where it says "largest municipality in English Canada legally designated as a city." strikes me as odd. First off, "English Canada" is not a geographical region. If "English Canada", you mean "the part of Canada that isn't Quebec" then I'd encourage a change to that. "English Canada" refers to the english speaking community of Canada, its anglophone speakers and their institutions. These are not limited to provinces in which the official language is english, as there is a significant anglophone community in Quebec and a significant francophone population in Ontario (and New Brunswick, and Manitoba, etc), especially in Sudbury, which has the highest percentage of francophones for large cities in Ontario, along with a rich community history for the wider area of Northeastern Ontario. Also, using "English Canada" as the name of a physically finite area throws New Brunswick into a grey area, as the province is officially bilingual. 
My beef with "English Canada" is that it is an outdated, politically loaded word. It recalls the divisions that existed in the early days of British North America, and therefore suggests some antagonism between the french and the english. Sudbury is a great example of both communities living in synergy and I think it would be best for the article to reflect that. It also suggest that every province but Quebec is English Canada, while French Canada is limited to the province of Quebec. This is not true at all, as there are communities and regions, mainly in Ontario and the Maritimes (but also in the west) that identify more readily to the francophone label. 
On a slightly related note, it would be interesting to mention what (if anything) is in the way of Greater Sudbury being the largest in ALL of Canada. Is there a city in Quebec which is larger geographically? If so, which one? The only cities I could think of as possible candidates would be some of the megacities that were formed when the entire province went through municipal mergers, but even then, if Sudbury can be one of the largest in North America, it would be interesting to know which Canadian city beats it out. My entire argument is moot if there is not bigger city in Quebec, as we could simply remove the "English" qualifier from the sentence. 
Swiffer (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The cities of Val-d'Or, Rouyn-Noranda, Senneterre and La Tuque in Quebec are all larger geographically than the (Greater) Sudz, as are the regional municipalities (not cities) of Halifax in Nova Scotia and Wood Buffalo in Alberta. And according to List of United States cities by area, the only American cities larger in area than Sudbury are Yakutat, Sitka, Juneau and Anchorage — and yes, those are all in Alaska (and they're all "consolidated city-boroughs", too.) The largest city in the Lower 48 is Jacksonville, Florida, which is slightly more than half Sudbury's area. Bearcat (talk) 08:28, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: English Canada?

message: Sudbury, Suffolk  ?
--85.210.181.44 (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Suffolk is a county in England; if you pay attention to the UK naming convention, places in England which require disambiguation are disambiguated by the individual county or shire they're in, not just as "Place, England" — just like how we disambiguate Canadian places as "Place, Province" rather than "Place, Canada". And even if the standard convention were "Place, England", there are two other Sudburys in England anyway (a neighbourhood in London and a village in Derbyshire.) But what's your question, exactly? Bearcat (talk) 08:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sudbury is in England 

message: I think the Economy section needs to be substantially rewritten. Not that it's poorly done or sourced, it's that it doesn't really talk about the economy. Much of the section is historical labour issues, followed by several paragraphs on taxation issues. Only near the bottom do they mention some major employers. Followed by a random section on a building fire (again, not sure what this has to do with the economy of Greater Sudbury). The last paragraph has much more relevant content (though again mentions labour history). I'm wondering if anyone knows of sources for where people in Sudbury actually work (what % in mining, education, etc...) and what the city actually produces (nickel, copper... etc). Also perhaps a paragraph on businesses founded/headquartered in Sudbury (Topper's Pizza)?
I don't want to delete the content for labour history, perhaps it deserves it's own article "Labour History of Greater Sudbury". 
Mattximus (talk) 15:51, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy 

message: The current image of the Flag of Sudbury is of the wrong colour. In Heraldic terms, this is wrong and must be corrected. It is Or & Vert, not Beige & Green. Beige is not a proper heraldic colour of tone.  As the Coat of Arms shows the correct colours, can you please find the correct image & replace the incorrect one with it? 
Thank You.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.186.69.50 (talk) 10:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Sudbury 

message: As you can see I had uploaded the correct flag & placed it ever so correctly on the Greater Sudbury page. However, the persnickety behaviour of this site & its sillyness has lead to the image being deleted altogether. It is a free image, is it not? Feel free to find the image on the external link ..3.. that is provided on the bottom of the Greater Sudbury page for the flag image. It is readily available. The correct image must display as...."Per fess sapiné Vert and Or, in dexter chief a mullet Or"  not the old image of beige. Beige is not a heraldic colour, it is beyond me as to why anyone would place such a false image. Sorry if this is bothersome or seems trivial, but so is Wikipedia. 
Thanks again.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcoplo78 (talk • contribs) 08:45, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Greater Sudbury 

message: Just a reminder to all editors that external links posted to this article must pass our WP:ELNO rules. Namely, the section is not meant to be used as a directory compiling every website you can find that has any relevance to the city at all; it's meant only for the one or two most centrally important primary websites of the topic itself — i.e. only the city's official website. Anything else (books about the city, tourist information directories, etc.) might potentially be appropriate as references for article content, but may not simply be added as a direct external link. Bearcat (talk) 18:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
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message: The article should be changed to "Sudbury, Ontario". It is simply weird to name the article "Greater Sudbury". 2607:FEA8:BC9B:C000:D4F0:F38D:7C1D:EF95 (talk) 05:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The city is called Greater Sudbury and has been since 2001. Half the city isn't in the old "Sudbury, Ontario" anyway. Mattximus (talk) 02:50, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change