Talk:The Long and Winding Road

message: Suggest including this on the Beatles page or on a Beatles miscleaneous topics page.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.65.142 (talk) 05:50, 6 October 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a bunch of articles about Beatles songs...they should probably go on their respective albums' articles though. Adam Bishop 05:53, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a problem with well-done articles on particular, notable songs; care needs to be taken not to repeat too much of the information already present in the album or artist listing, though.  Jgm 15:44, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

text: I've done an edit with R.'s comments in mind; specifically I've tried to limit the material to the song, with just enough framing info for context.  Much of what I cut out would be a valuable addition to the Let It Be article, I think, or, as R. suggests, the History of the Beatles article.  I've also made some general structure and wording changes and copy edits and added some material from a primary source (Lewishon's book).  There are still some awkward bits (ie. the explanation of the difference between the Billboard and Cashbox charts) that could use fixing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgm (talk • contribs) 01:44, 21 September 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This is kinda old, so it'll be a bit hard to verify, but I believe that an instrumental version was the background music for an OnStar commercial a few months ago ("few" is used loosely, as I don't know exactly when it was). It was the commercial where there were a whole bunch of kids (separately) telling about their various experiences with OnStar and how it saved their family members, etc. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Does anyone even know what commercial I'm talking about? —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 09:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  OnStar commercial 

message: I have again removed external links from this article to material in violation of copyright, per #5 under the "Links to be used occasionally" section at Wikipedia:External links. Performances and transcriptions of lyrics are protected by copyright. Unless the owner of the copyright has placed the material on the web themselves, or approved its publication on some unofficial website, it should not be linked from Wikipedia. -- Mikeblas 02:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  linking to copyvio 

message: some of the citations are suffering from link rot, being new to wikia I did not continue further <notably reference 8> 75.15.195.164 20:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link rot 

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thread_title: This page can crash Mozilla

message: The version on Anthology 3 is the same take which received Spector's overdubs, whereas the Let It Be Naked version is a different take, previously unreleased. This information is correctly stated on the Let It Be%E2%80%A6 Naked page. Sonitus 04:13, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anthology 3 and Let It Be… Naked 

message: The following quote - and the article it is quoted from - is a prime reason why "quoting authorities" is simply not good enough to create a viable reference.
>The song takes the form of a piano-based ballad, with an unconventional structure and some of the most inventive and sophisticated chord changes heard in The Beatles' catalogue. The song's home key is in E-flat major but spends ample time in its relative minor, the key of C minor.[2]
To put it crudely, it's wack BS.  The "unconventional structure" is Verse/Verse/Bridge/Verse/Repeat last verse.
The "sophisticated chord changes" are purely diatonic, with a couple of dominant seventh chords and a single altered bass (Ab chord over Bb bass), in one key.  The only "relative minor" in the song is the first phrase of each verse, which is sung over a minor chord.  Only in the most strict interpretation of a small part of the classical music tradition does a single minor chord define a minor tonality.
The rest of the "Let It Be" album is heavily influence by the Beatles early rock influences, so in the context of the album, it sounds sophisticated, but compared to the songwriting on Abbey Road, the White Album, - anything post-LSD, to be blunt - it is a simple, straightforward song.  No key changes, no altered notes, no "jazz" chords, nothing special except Paul McCartney's ability to deploy such simple materials in an elegant, appropriate fashion.
Perhaps I'm not sufficiently bowing down to Pollack's authority, but his article in general reminds me of A.J. Weberman's obsessive projection into Dylan's music, more so than mainstream musical analysis.
24.17.180.126 09:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authority does not equal quality 

message: I'd be curious to know the exact scoring of the orchestra. I'm surprised to see no mention of a French horn, as several times it really sounds like that to me. The notes are far too high for a trombone, and too mellow (to my ears) for a trumpet. Perhaps a trumpet using a loose plunger or hat or something? Can't find much on the web, which doesn't prove much. This refers to a 36 piece orchestra plus vocalists, whereas our article makes it 34: 18+4+4+3+3+2 . Stevage 06:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scoring 

message: In the intro, the article currently reads:
:It became The Beatles' 33rd and last number-one song in the United States on June 13, 1970.
Then later it reads:
:On 13 June, it became The Beatles' twentieth and final number one single in America, according to Billboard magazine
Would somebody like to clarify this asap? I tried a quick google but I'm apparently incompitent (hence the mispelling of both incompetent and misspelling). Cheers, Rothery 22:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting info 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:WYGG.jpg

message: Assertions in the article are cited to Cross, and Cross attributes comments to balance engineer Pete Brown. That's probably a mistake; the balance engineer was Pete Bown. Does someone have another source for the comments so we can cite the proper name? — John Cardinal (talk) 04:52, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly confusion with Peter Brown. PurpleChez (talk) 19:14, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brown vs. Bown 

message: The sidebar listed "For You Blue" as the A-side, while the text of the article lists it as the B-side. I'm certain that the latter is correct, and changed the sidebar accordingly. PurpleChez (talk) 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: A-Side, B-Side

message: I've noticed a 'citation needed' tag is present on this page, at this line:
Remarkably, a quite strong auto-tune effect has been applied to McCartney's voice, which makes the whole song sound somewhat synthetically, as it lacks the typical, imperfect McCartney vocal part.
Per FA criteria, a citation is needed at his point  - a FA should never have a 'needs citation' tag, and it is legitimate grounds for removal IMO. My suggestion is to quickly remedy or remove the bit entirely, as this article has been put under review before. I'd hate to see an article get downgraded, but it may be justified if this is not fixed. Toa Nidhiki05 01:11, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the opinion presented in the text is both unattributed and uncited, and the edit that introduced it was unexplained; so I've removed it. Uniplex (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 04:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, very good. :) Toa Nidhiki05 20:11, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed? 

message: Why does a 2002 cover version of this song by the relatively unknown "Will Young" receive such prominent treatment in this article?  Just below the impressively detailed entry for the mysterious Mr. Young is a long but much less prominently-featured list of musical artists who have covered the song, among them such established and illustrious performers as Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, Johnny Mathis, Cher, Kiri Te Kanawa and Barry Manilow.  It seems to me that Mr. Young should be somewhere in this list.  Perhaps towards the bottom.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.20.52.120 (talk) 01:23, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because Young's version "reached the top of the UK Singles Chart where it stayed for two consecutive weeks".  If there is anyone else who released a cover as a notable single, we could expand the article for them as well.  GoingBatty (talk) 15:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "Will Young version"?

message: I don't mean to be subjective, but in the Let It Be...Naked version of this song, I think that John Lennon didn't do too bad. I believe this is the same version as heard in the film. I also discussed this in the "Let It Be...Naked talk page. I don't know why Ian MacDonald described Lennon's bass playing as "atrocious to the point of sabotage." I guess it's possible that in the "Naked" version, Paul McCartney may have removed John Lennon's bassline and replaced it with his own. My only other thought is that the mistakes may have been fixed by studio technicians. I would like for other users to tell me what they think.--Kevjgav (talk) 20:29, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that the "Naked" version is not the one used by Phil Spector for his overdubbing. Str1977 (talk) 13:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism of John Lennon's bass playing 

message: The session originally consisted of Paul McCartney on Bluthner piano, John Lennon on Fender Bass VI, George Harrison on guitar, Ringo Starr on drums and Billy Preston on Fender Rhodes electric piano. When Phil Spector added the strings, brass and choir, McCartney regarded the song as having been ruined.--Kevjgav (talk) 20:32, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recording session 

message: I've just tidied up the article a little, and removed some unsourced trivia. The article doesn't appear to me as either FA or GA quality in terms of coverage, prose, and MoS requirements - it was promoted in 2006, and reviewed again in 2008, and hasn't been well maintained. I will not have the time to tidy up the article or take my concerns further, however it seems appropriate to raise those concerns rather than merely pass on by, so, per the stage one process at Wikipedia:Featured article review I am making a note here, and will ping relevant Projects. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerns regarding FA quality

message: Who changed the band lineup to "Billy Preston on organ?" Preston clearly plays electric piano in this song and this should be apparent to any keyboardist who listens to the Let It Be...Naked version, so I edited that accordingly. Consistent with Let It Be#Personnel and Let It Be...Naked#Differences.--73.200.194.72 (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billy Preston on electric piano, NOT organ 

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message: You are invited to join the discussion at WT:BEATLES#Craig Cross.  Ojorojo (talk) 18:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Suitability of reference used in article

message: The genre is listened as Rock, but I don’t see it that way. Wouldn’t this song be considered more of a soft rock or pop ballad than just Rock? Opollo03 (talk) 03:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it isn't Rock Music. Personally I consider it to be Pop Music, though for anything to be listed as a genre, besides the band's standard genre, it would need to be sourced. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 07:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre?

message: Sorta like with Something (Beatles song), there's an ongoing thing going on to doublecheck old FAs.  The idea is to see where improvements can be made to these articles, and to ideally avoid WP:FAR.   - You helped with figuring out what sources were okay and what should be marked as notes for future improvement.  There's a lot of overlap between this one and the last one in sources, so that makes things easier.  Again, the idea is to see how this article can be improved, not to go around stripping stars.
The ones I have questions about are:
* Is John Whelan going to be considered an expert for his Beatles timeline?
* Graham Calkin clearly produces a lot of output on the Beatles, but are his self-published works widely cited by others?
* My experience with the Daily Mirror is that it is a sub-optimal tabloid-type source, but others may have differing opinoins.
* Not sure that musicoutfitters.com is the best source for chart positions (my browser also says it has iffy security and won't let me access it)
* Tropicalglen.com is not going to be the best source for Cash Box chart positions, are those available online elsewhere?
* Whats The Morton Report
There's a couple citation needed tags, but nothing too serious.  Overall, this looks like it shouldn't be too hard to fix if we can figure out what sources are okay and what would need replacement.
:Didn't get the ping (so perhaps neither will Koncorde) but I watch the page anyway.
:In fact,  highlighted this as a problem FA at the Beatles project page, years ago, from memory. I did some work since then, trying to improve it, but it doesn't surprise me to hear there may still be a few problem areas. (Btw, when you mention the Something song article, that is all sorted now, not ongoing? Discussion there has since been archived at Talk:Something (Beatles song).)
:Looking at those sources, they should be easy to replace, as you say. (Some of them should never have been used here, imo, given the wealth of literature and other coverage on the Beatles.) The only one I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with is The Morton Report. That links to Andrew Morton's page, of course, but it's not as if he writes the music content on that arts/entertainment website. Perhaps others know more than I do about this; from my very limited involvement with The Morton Report as a source for Wikipedia, the pieces are always written by others. JG66 (talk) 05:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I forgot to sign, apparently, so that's the issue with the pings not going through.  Thanks for taking a look at this.  My only music contribution is the low-quality David Ashley Parker from Powder Springs, so I'm not sure how useful I will be with working on music FAs.  And yes, the Something song discussion is completely resolved, and it has been marked as satisfactory at the old featured articles study. Hog Farm  Talk 16:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  This looks okay for FA to me.  I'll be marking it as satisfactory at WP:URFA/2020, and if you think it's satisfactory as well, , I'd invite you to do so as well. Hog Farm  Talk 06:34, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I know the sources are a whole lot better, , but I think there are a couple of points unsourced – in that the reference never actually supported all the text that precedes it. I noticed one or two examples; perhaps I'll get back on it, although I can't say the song's one that interests me a great deal (ie, it feels like hard work!). As mentioned, this article was flagged on the project page as a problem FA, years ago, so ... JG66 (talk) 09:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay.  I'll mark this as one with notes and pointing to this discussion then.  It doesn't have to be perfect, and this one is very far from the worst, so I don't anticipate this one seeing FAR anytime in the near future. There's some rather iffy ones at WP:FAR right now, and this one is nowhere near that level. Hog Farm  Talk 16:15, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions about source quality