Talk:Disemvoweling

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message: Would this term also apply to the techniques commonly used in Instand Messaging and Text Messaging to speed up the input of a message? Mwv2 04:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our research for the article found exactly one instance of it being used in this sense, in a humorous newspaper article.  So, while the word can be used to mean that, it isn't common.  The censorship meaning is by far the most common one. JulesH 12:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use for speed, not censorship? 

message: thnks fr th mmrs is a song by fall out boy. (thanks for the memories)
so this could be under a "popular culture" section or something, if there are any more songs or anything like this.
also, this is used for speed when texting, or to save space if the text is long so the user doesnt have to use another text Cheesypot (talk) 17:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't associate this word with texting (as on a cell phone).  In that case the goal is to be as clear as possible while using as few letters as possible; that method doesn't involve removing all vowels unless that's the easiest way to render a word short and readable.  For example, in texting, "u" = "you", "ur" = "your", "thx" = "thanks", "2" = "to/too/two" and many things are simply abbreviations such as "omw" = "on my way".  Disemvoweling is the practice of removing ALL vowels either without regard to how easy it is to read it or with the express intent of making it hard to read.--TheCynic (talk) 18:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  thnks fr th mmrs 

message: A couple of anonymous editors are attempting to be apologists in the Net Censorship section.  That is not the purpose of an encyclopedia.  An example of real-world usage is highly fitting (just as the section on nebula has many actual pictures of real nebulas and not just an explanation of what they are) and the wording is as straight forward and NPOV as I can think to make it.  The point is not to suggest that disemvoweling is "right" or "wrong" but rather, to demonstrate how it is used.--TheCynic (talk) 15:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I applaud that. Unfortunately the guardians of the founders of this technique are unlikely to allow it.Marky48 (talk) 01:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, your phrasing suggests that the use in this situation was for the purpose of "suppression of opinion", which is I feel original research, and at least not particularly NPOV. JulesH (talk) 20:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Well "suggests" is not "say." It's suppression of speech as dicated by the moderator for any reason. Are there written rules?Marky48 (talk) 01:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Net Censorship 

message: The article gives G-d as a common example, also implying it's from the internet era or routine cultural self censorship, and so on. It isn't. Its completely of different origins, antiquity, and such, well worth distinguishing. Some WP:OR or assumption may have gone on here..... FT2 (Talk | email) 15:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Reviewed and fixed. FT2 (Talk | email) 16:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Incidentally, I think the whole "Religious Usage" section should be removed.  "Disemvoweling" is the act of removing vowels.  A statement about a language that has no vowels in it pretty well means you can't disemvowel it and I scratch my head over why someone thought to mention it.  I doubt religious scholars ever used the term "disemvoweled" to describe such a thing. --TheCynic (talk) 18:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, its kind of just article fluff.Yeago (talk) 18:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something's wrong on this article. 

message: Does that note about Kotaku really need to be in the main article space? 70.169.167.93 (talk) 20:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a bit trivia-esque, in that Kotaku haven't defined the practice, nor are they one of the first to use it. I think including mention of them is similar to just including mention of all places that currently use disemvowelling but haven't contributed to the practice at all, you know? Dreaded Walrus  t c 20:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For that matter we could take out references to Boing Boing.  In the "further reading" section its apparent that the concept has been in existence since at least the early 90s.  Boing Boing is simply a known user and not much different than Kotaku in that regard. (Although BB gets some notability simply because they are probably the only ones who have been openly criticized by other publications for doing it.) --TheCynic (talk) 14:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm in agreement, but it seems that at least one contributor other than the one that originally added the information (i.e., User:Will Beback) considers it relevant.  It certainly needs a citation, however, so I've tagged it as such.  JulesH (talk) 20:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, now its put in the context of Gawker Media and shortened to a single sentence, it looks a lot better.  Thanks. JulesH (talk) 20:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I'm not the one who added it originally. That happened here. All I did was restore an unexplained deletion. I have no opinion about the material itself. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 06:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kotaku? 

message: The following section has been added recently.  I've removed it, as it appears to me that the approach described is not in actual use anywhere.  Some references to its use would be good.  As it stands, it sounds like the idea is entirely theoretical. JulesH (talk) 22:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Problems" section 

message: the other vowels: w, l, r, æ, œ.  And I'll bet better workarounds would be to put marks on the regular vowels: á, à, ä, é, etc.  And y ouhtn't be a vowel unless it's in Latin or Old English. -lysdexia 16:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disemvowelment lacks 

message: It wouldn't be proper for me to edit an entry in which I appear, but I suggest adding a link to the comment thread in which the practice and the term were both invented. The link is: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/001551.html#001551.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.146.16 (talk) 23:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested external link 

message: I changed the contentious term "censor", which is not used in the cited Macmillan reference, to the more neutral "limit the effectiveness of", which is what the reference actually says.  The "criticism" section further down in the article does a good job discussing various sides of the question, with appropriate sourcing.  69.228.171.150 (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: censorship 

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