Talk:Trieste

message: back to Italy? when did belong to italy?
Never before the 1918, but the Italian propaganda pre-World War I dislike the history (as usual in every pre-war times) -- Unknown
Oh, and when did Trieste belong to yugoslavia or to slovenia? Trieste was always a Romance town.
G. Waeber  —Preceding unsigned comment added by87.8.125.200 (talk) 11:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this, this article's history text should be deleted and rewritten with NPOV in mind. --DustWolf 22:45, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Additionally, the statement "capital of literature and music" seems very contestable in its present form. This is POV. --64.252.20.52 05:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: * 94.9% Italian
    * 1.8% Serbian
    * 0.8% Croatian
    * 0.3% Albanian
    * 0.2% Slovenian
   Smaller groups are Chinese, Bosnian, Romanian, German, and Senegalese
It's not clear what these data represent. What is the area being concerned? Is this the city of Trieste, the commune of Trieste, the province of Trieste or something else? What is the criterion of classification? It seems to be citizenship. What is the source of these data? Until these questions are answered, I think we can't include these data in the article, as we don't know what they mean. Boraczek 10:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: I would ask the editors to add, as possible origins of the name TERGESTUM, the fact that Romans had to fight three times against the Venetic pre-roman population of Histri, living in the villages in the surroundings of Trieste. From the latin "Gerere Bellum"= "fight a battle", or "gestum"=fought and "Ter"= three times, the word "ter-gestum bellum", meaning "three times battle" would also be a possible origin for the ancient name of the city, TERGESTUM.
In greek, TERGESTE (the first E is "epsilon", the last E is an "eta") is still used, and does not seem to have a slavic origin, since the epsilon needs to be pronounced as open E.
However, the slavic origin is also possible, as suggested so far.
Massimiliano Perez  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.105.64.203 (talk) 13:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny, I was about to add the Greek name to the article because, as you say, it preserves the ancient form. I'm not sure about Slavic vs. non-Slavic origins you discuss, but it's an interesting point.Nojamus (talk) 14:39, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: origin of the name

message: Isn't the proper slovenian name for Trieste identical to the croatian, that is Trst? And I think Triest is german.
I've also heard that the name Trieste actualy originates from the slovenian Trst. Can anyone confirm this? I've looked it up in a dictionary and it says:
trst, trstje - reed, reeds pl;  piščal iz ~a 
reed pipe; postelja iz ~a reedy bed; 
sladkorni ~ sugarcane; opirati se na 
zlomljen ~' (figuratively) to rely on (or to 
lean upon) a broken reed
btw, I've also heard that a part of Trieste was designed by a slovenian architect pleznik or something.
The name Trieste and its german and slovenian/croatian counterparts derive from the Latin Tergeste, name used since the II century B.C. Some people say it comes from ter gestae, meaning it had to be built thrice, but most probably it has a celtic or protoitalic origin.
::Yes, in Croatia you say Trst, that is slavic, originaly Slovenian name for that city. --83.131.49.31 23:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  slovenian name 

message: Canciand 08:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just upload them and send me the names (i.e. Trieste_Gulf.jpg). I will create a "gallery" at the bottom of the page. This way we can add as many pictures as we like. Thanks, --Asterion talk to me 18:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: I note the authors indicated that the Carni, a people that in old days come to the area, gave the Carso its name. This is not so, maybe they gave a region of Friuli Venezia Giulia, Carnia, its name. Carso comes from slovenian kras.
203.0.25.65 05:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carni and Carso 

message: (canciand1 17:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caves 

message: This is an important part of the city's history. Had the New Zealand Division not arrived, the city would have been part of Yugoslavia, and effectly in the Eastern bloc. Wallie 06:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not exactly, Yugoslavia wasn't what you'd call an Eastern Bloc country. The government was nominally communist but was in fact non-allined, thus not a member of the Warsaw Pact, and in time they also withdrew from COMECON. There was no Soviet presence anywhere in the former Yugoslavia, by contrast to Romania, Bulgaria and the like. Yugoslav citizens were issued passports in 1963 and were able to move freely in both the EEC/EFTA territories as well as the Eastern Bloc. But yes, the difference between being under Belgrade or Rome did make some kind of social difference, that is clear. --Evlekis 13:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslavia and New Zealand 

message: The uploader of this image uploaded it twice, the other copy was added to this page at that time.  Not sure if it would be helpful or not.  ~ BigrTex 16:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image for article 

message: The page says it was the "Imperial Free City of Trieste" (Reichsunmittelbare Stadt Triest); however, the German title of the page for "Imperial Free City" is "Freie Reichsstadt", with "Reichsunmittelbar" pointing to a different page (Reichsunmittelbarkeit). Can anyone more knowledgeable on the matter clarify, and fix the inconsistency as appropriate?
74.132.200.129 23:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imperial Free City 

message: Our cousins from the north (I mean the Friulani) are having fun with this page. Friulian is not spoken in Trieste at all, there are more people who speak chinese, romanian, serbo-croat or any other number of languages. Thats why I cut it.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.82.57.134 (talk) 11:32, August 23, 2007 (UTC) 
A websearch on friulian trieste says otherwise, O southern cousin. See, e.g., http://www.omniglot.com/writing/friulian.htm among quite a number of others. And the section has apparently been put back--not by me. (See also below, "German grammar?") GeorgeTSLC (talk) 20:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Friulian 

message: I've straightened out most of the effects of apparently not quite knowing English (as well as adding links and clarifying meaning) to give the following sentence: "The particular Friulian dialect, called Tergestino, spoken until the beginning of the 20th century, was gradually overcome by the Triestine dialect of Italian (a local variant partially similar to Venetian) and other languages, including German grammar, and standard Slovene and Italian languages."
But the reference to German grammar puzzles me. Should it read "... the Triestine dialect of Italian (a local variant partially similar to Venetian and other languages, including German grammar) and standard Slovene and Italian languages" with the closing parenthesis shifted? The Triestine dialect article does mention (unsurprisingly) German influence from the Habsburg period.
Or is it talking about German being used currently, so that "grammar" should just be deleted? 
Or some different thing I can't even guess? GeorgeTSLC (talk) 20:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  German grammar?? 

message: :Image:Friuli-Venezia Giulia-Stemma.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Coat of arms of Italian cities, dating back centuries ago, are free from all kinds of copyrights. I also think that this useless burocratic paranoia is a severe damage for wikipedia and its users. We don't need to give a eason to use them, you should give a reason to erase them.
--Conte di Cavour (talk) 19:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

text: ohhhhhhhh get rekt Victory to the UAW (talk) 13:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Friuli-Venezia Giulia-Stemma.png

message: The location on the map seems to be wrong. Trieste is not placed in Crotia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.143.235.226 (talk) 18:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The location is correct. The red dot obscures the panhandle because of the map scale. Doremo (talk) 07:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The location is wrong 

message: I have edited the above phrase to say merely "peripheral city". "Un-charme" has no meaning at all in English. What was originally meant by the phrase? --NellieBly (talk) 04:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Peripheral and un-charme city

message: Why does the map say "Trst" and "location of Trst in Italy"? The name of the article is Trieste, so shouldn't that be the label. Additionally, Trst is difficult, if not impossible, to pronounce in English.76.246.49.58 (talk) 06:24, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody vandalized the page. See bottom paragraph. I changed what I could, but reverting vandalism should be more appropriate. I do not know how to do it on Wikipedia -- I need some help to fix it.--MarcelloPapirio (talk) 19:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: I imagine the name of the city should be shown in the regional language as well. The Venetian Wikipedia says that the local name is Trièst ("per tergestin Trièst"), so I've added that. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 04:40, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venetian/Triestine name of city 

message: There is a long list of the names of Trieste in various languages, but it doesn't include the English name for it - which is of course spelt the same as the Italian name, but pronounced "Triest" without the final E. Shouldn't this be included?
109.152.244.83 (talk) 09:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If you haven't noticed this article is in English, on English Wikipedia, with a name in English (pronunciation included) at the very beginning of the first sentence. Shokatz (talk) 11:57, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  English name 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 07:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Trieste]] 

message: Italian, Slovene and German yes; Hungarian and Croatian ok; Serbian, Greek, Polish and Czech no.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.13.159.50 (talk) 16:08, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are going to post on Talk Pages, please be coherent - the above rambling dementia makes no sense whatsoever.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.21.247 (talk) 02:24, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: So, I mistakenly browsed this page in English instead of Italian, and it turns out somebody vandalized the page. The first paragraphs, as well as the Italian "comune" box, had been changed in order to reflect the idea Trieste is a Slovenian city. E.g.: All occurrences of "Trieste" in the first two paragraphs had been swapped with the Slovenian toponyme "Trst". A "native" and "original" name had been added to the box. Region had been changed from obvious Friuli Venezia Giulia to the Slovenian name of the riviera. The obvious Province of Trieste had been swapped with the non-existent Province of Trst. If you read changes before 02/07/2020, the first paragraph claims it is a Slovenian city next to Italy: it happens to be the opposite (since the Paris Peace Conference of 1919). The website of the Italian comune was changed with a Slovenian website. Now, I know very well the vicissitudes of the city, which was transferred from polity to polity over the ages. This is the intrinsic nature of the city. Moreover, it is true that the autonomous region of Friuli Venezia Giulia has its official language -- namely, Furlan or Friulian language. I am also aware that Trieste was at the centre of a huge squabble between the Kingdom of Italy and Austria-Hungary, which eventually got settled after the First World War. Notwithstanding this, it is clear Furlan, the widespread native language, is not the same as Slovenian. Moreover, it is not even clear whether "Trst" appears in the local variant of Furlan spoken specifically in Trieste. So, of course, you find "Trst" next to "Trieste" on the road signs leading to the city, but that is mostly because Furlan and Slovenian are official languages there, together with Italian. It does not mean "Trst" is the original one or the authentic native version thereof. It does not mean the foundations of the city are Slovenian in any sense (no more than they are Italian, I reckon: but the city has been part of Italy for more than 100 years now and in Italy it is widely known as "Trieste", not "Trst"). Finally But I am not here to debate the use of "Trst". I am here to point out somebody vandalized the page by changing items in the box and in the first paragraphs in order to make it look like Trieste still belongs to Slovenia. Nice prank but it was bound to be reverted. Please help me catch the culprit.--MarcelloPapirio (talk) 19:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for flagging, . This was a straightforward case of disruptive editing. This person has been editing the pages for other cities outside Slovenia to claim they are in Slovenia. Wikiacc (¶) 23:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrected obvious Slovenian vandalism 

message: Current title of the section does not reflect the factual happenings. It was just another occupation, the article itself states FM Alexander's opinion and historiography consistently describes the events as occupation (e.g. https://www.cairn.info/revue-les-cahiers-sirice-2019-1-page-117.htm). The Comune di Trieste celebrates the end of the Yugoslav occupation (https://www.comune.trieste.it/it/celebrata-la-giornata-della-liberazione-della-citta-di-trieste-dalloccupazione-jugoslava-nella-ricorrenza-del-12-giugno-36298).
I am also in possession of first hand testimonies from old timers about the crimes (well documented already) committed by the Yugoslav occupiers (heist at Banca d'Italia, forced disappearances)
I therefore move for the paragraph header to be changed to "Occupation by Yugoslav Partisans", as it would more closely reflect what happened and it would better represent how these events were described at the time. Nīk-1895 (talk) 10:43, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I will wait until the 5th of December. If no point is raised against this, I will procede with operations to make that section of the voice more neutral. Nīk-1895 (talk) 09:52, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do that make it more neutral Victory to the UAW (talk) 12:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Liberation" by Yugoslav Partisan 

message: The section on Wilhelm Oberdank is plagiarised word for word from the Mahler Foundation website. I was trying to find a source to fulfil the "citation needed" label, and when I searched for the text, it became apparent that it was plagiarised from this https://mahlerfoundation.org/mahler/locations/italy/trieste/city-of-trieste/.
Shameful, shameful to the maximum extent. Measures should be taken. I will set out to rephrase the paragraph. Nīk-1895 (talk) 13:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Plagiarism  

message: Slovene, being a recognised minority language in the province, is taught at slovene schools just as italian is taught in italian schools. English, not having been recognised as a protected language, is taught in international schools. I see this information as worth having on the page while to the contrary I see listing slovene schools as relevant as listing italian schools would be.  Nīk-1895 (talk) 15:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the Education section 

message: Hello all, 
I want to apologise for the small mess I made in using the "Re-Use" citation option. I was not aware that it changed all citations using that format to the most recent edit, so the page numbers got messed up. I think I have fixed all of them. If you find any more, please reply here and I'll fix the numbers. 
Again, my sincerest apologies also for the mess made in the view history section, as these fixes will disrupt ease of fruition. I have named every single edit "fixed citation" to make it clear.
Sorry guys, lesson learned  Nīk-1895 (talk) 13:33, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  My apologies