Talk:Names of the days of the week

message: As of February 2019, Maori is listed both as derived from Romance languages, and from Germanic languages.
Apeloverage (talk) 08:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Because one of the two entries under each day in "Maori" was borrowed/derived from English—pretty understandable, given how long Maoris and Anglo New Zealanders have lived together. I gather the other entry under each day is more truly native Maori. I suppose the question of "where" Maori should live depends on which set of those names is really the more common one in Maori as spoken. Which I, for one, don't know. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maori 

message: User:Anak_bapak added a list of days under Javanese in Week-day_names#Starting_Sunday (Was first added as Indonesian, then changed shortly afterwards). 
There is a different list of Javanese days in section Week-day_names#Hindu_Gods. And also a different list Indonesian of days in section Week-day_names#Starting_Sunday. I'm hoping you could you clarify the difference. I wonder if one of them is a different Indonesian dialect like Minangkabau or Sundanese?
* Do you think that Thursday relates to Brihaspati for Javanese and Balinese? (listed under Week-day_names#Hindu_Gods)
* Indonesian Saturday is Tumpek, I cannot see a similarity with Shani, I wonder if day relates in someway to Jumu'ah due to the Islamic influences? Do you know the translation for Tumpek?
* Javanese listing in Week-day_names#Starting_Sunday has Ngaat / Akad for Sunday. I assume Akad relates to 'one' or 'first'? What does Ngatt translate to?
I hope this can be clarified. --Pnb73 (talk) 11:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Week-day names in Indonesian and other local dialects 

message: I believe they are;
Itwaar (Sun)
Peer (Mon)
Mangal (Tue)
Budh (Wed)
Jumaaraat (Thu)
Jumaah (Fri)
Haftah (Sat)
Two appear to be the same in Hindi and originate from Hindi gods;
Mangal : Mangalavār : Mangala
Budh : Budhavār : Budha
And Friday being the Islamic gathering day originates from Arabic;
Jumaah : yaum al-jum‘ah : Jumu'ah
But I cannot find where the names originate for;
Itwaar ?
Peer =?
Jumaaraat =?
Haftah = Week?
Can anyone help? --Pnb73 (talk) 12:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urdu 

message: It looks inappropriate that the text before Swahili names quotes the Old Testament while the Swahili words are clearly derived from the Muslim practice which is shown in the footnotes relating the names to Arabic words. Can anybody clear this issue and relate the names to the proper religious tradition?
Mockingbird86 (talk) 23:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swahili 

message: I'm wondering why the romanized versions of the day names are truncated in comparison to the devanagari.  Specifically, each name omits a common ending of vāsaram.  Thus, a fully romanized version of each day name would be as follows:  Induvāsaram, Bhaumavāsaram, Saumyavāsaram, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sun da sheng (talk • contribs) 16:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sanskrit 

message: I don't want to mess with the careful footnotes, but someone should make reference to the fact that Hebrew "yom rishon" (basically Sunday) is literally "Head Day", the head of the week. You might also make reference to the long tradition of calling the sixth day (Friday) the "Preparation Day" for Shabbat, as an alternate name to "shishi". Don't know that translation though. JJB 06:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew 

message: I think the omission of German is a bad oversight given the family connexion English has to it, but I wanted to open this up in discussion rather than just edit teh page to include the German names for the days of teh week.  If nobody answers however I shall ammend...--Amedeo Felix (talk) 10:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  German 

message: : In many cases the names have been changed for religious or secular reasons.
If secular means 'non-religious', then religious or secular can be omitted!  Perhaps it means 'political'? —Tamfang (talk) 16:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  reasons 

message: could anyone add anything concerning these abbrevaitions I know from my time in Florida state universities?  They seem universal to academia, but I can find  no references for their origins.  I bring this up because I use these in my job, and they've caught on, so now my coworkers are fielding questions "why R for thursday" I cannot answer.  Thanks.  Neophyte here.  Hope I haven't done anything wrong.  Theresavalek (talk) 14:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick Google search confirms that MTWRFSU are widespread in academia. It also indicates that MTWRFSU are valid parameters for weekdays of the pmset command in the Mac OS X language. Whether Mac got them from academia or vice-versa I can't say. Of course, the initials of the weekdays MTWTFSS repeat T and S twice, so someone chose another letter from the second weekday name of each to create a unique set. Of the letters in Thursday, only H does not appear in any other weekday name, but someone chose R, maybe because its sound is more prominent than H. Of the letters in Sunday, U seems to pair with S for Saturday. — Joe Kress (talk) 00:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What he said - R and U have the most definition in the words. --Kurtle (talk) 01:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a principle thesis in anthropology — not my field — which basicly states that unrelated sources can solve the same problem the same way, because there are only a limited number of ways of solving the problem.  The classic example is the canoe.  Hiw many ways can you cross a body of water if it's too far to swim?  The name of the principle doesn't come to me at the moment, but the idea is that, just because two do it the same way, that is not an indication that one copied the other.  The problem has been addressed many times by many people.  There is no correct answer for who was first.  Another example of crowd-sourcing, before the term was coined.  rags (talk) 15:00, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: convergent evolution or reinvention of knowledge --2003:C5:4F25:9A43:1180:4F9C:8630:4EC (talk) 15:07, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  m t w r f s u 

message: Is there any particular reason to have a separate table for east Asian countries, since the system is the same as the one "named after stellar objects"? Shouldn't they be put together? Especially since they are obviously related: How else could it be that the same stellar objects relate to the same days? Ratfox (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: More importantly: It says that "The East Asian naming system of week-days closely parallels that of the Latin system". Closely parallels!? Heck no, it mirrors it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.28.203 (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Three months already... Only agreement. Done Ratfox (talk) 20:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We still say it 'closely parallels' the European system. I would assume that both have their roots in Mesopotamia or India. It's not just that two civilizations thought to name the days of a week after the seven planets, which might be coincidental, but that they occur in the same order. kwami (talk) 21:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: likewise, I am unimpressed with this particular split. The East asian section alludes to elements, but the actual names (in those languages I know) are planets.  There are zero cites or references made for this division, and it looks like someone has an agenda here.  There is no doubt in my mind that those languages which call Monday 'moon-day', etc. should be grouped together.  The 'why'  of it may well be WP:OR, but the fact of it is indisputable. If a regular editor cannot supply references or cites, or doesn't make the obvious change, I shall be bold.  (20040302 (talk) 12:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  East Asian Seven Luminaries = Weekdays named after stellar objects 

message: I would like to point out that the actual terms for Persian weekdays are somewhat misleading. Tuesday for instance is in fact the fourth day of the week and not the third (even though the term suggests it). The week starts on Saturday in Persian culture. Hence, the table with the Persian weekday numberings is wrong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.130.4.243 (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of Days in the Persian culture

message: Is it "week-day" or "weekday"? --Alien4 (talk) 14:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Weekday; though week-day is possibly the "correct" way. --Kurtle (talk) 01:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only 1 syntax throughout the whole article? 

message: Hey I was just wondering if Estonian is the only one (of those mentioned in the week-day names#Weekdays numbered from Monday subsection) without fully numbered weekday names. Because Estonian seems to be a mixture of Northern European and numbered system. The first four days are numbered, but similarly to Northern European style, reede is named after Freya, or at least is derived from any of the Nordic languages. Also an alternative to kolmapäev - "third day", a term kesknädal - "mid week" is used. Saturday is laupäev - similar to the Finnish lauantai. And Sunday is pühapäev - either "feast day" or "holy day".
So my question is, whether other languages in this subgroup have fully numbered days, like from 1st to 7th day, or do they have just some days numbered. Actually in any case, Estonian is a mixture of the forementioned two and should be added to both subsections. My proposition is to add only the days that correspond to either system and add a note that it belongs to both groups. H2ppyme (talk) 13:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estonian 

message: In Week-day_names#Northern_Europe, it says about Saturday, that it's "the only day of the week to retain its Roman origin in English", whilst failing to mention that it is almost the only northern European language to do so. E.g. as one can see in the Saturday article, the Scandinavian names for Saturday mean bath-day and the German Samstag means sabbath day.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.28.203 (talk) 10:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In Northern Germany, they usually say "Sonnabend" ("Sunday eve") for Saturday, though its usage is in decline. Bostoner (talk) 02:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Saturday in northern Europe

message: "== Alhamis  ==
the name of a family and means in swahille thursday
it is most used in africa Tanzaniya
there are not many people named Alhamis 
the name sounds like islam"
:This appears to be on the wrong page altogether.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swahili continued 

message: Why is Georgian in the "numbered from Sunday" section? It seems more like it's numbered from Saturday to me. "Šabati" is Saturday, "Oršabati" (lit. "Two [after] Saturday") is "Monday", "Samšabati" (lit. "Three [after] Saturday") is Tuesday, "Otxšabati" ("Four [after] Saturday") is Wednesday, and "Xutšabati" ("Five [after] Saturday") is Thursday. That sure looks like counting from Saturday to me. 128.135.222.164 (talk) 03:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georgian 

message: Portuguese has no reason to be under Greco-Roman tradition. 213.22.51.145 (talk) 13:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, none of the Portuguese names seems to be derived from a planet/god  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.73.34.192 (talk) 20:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portuguese 

message: The article begins "The order of the week days can be derived "geometrically" from an acute heptagram," and gives as  source a book on symbols. That book itself (or the website) gives no source. It looks suspiciously to me like someone has discovered what they think is a pattern and has simply asserted this but I can't see any historical citations that the pattern is really the reason for the names. It seems very unlikely to me that names were assigned to days depending on a geometric scheme. This is troubling since it's the first and most prominent part of the article and reads like an endorsement of an astrological tract. Barsoomian (talk) 02:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What you've done is derive a hexagram from the weekday sequence. Not proved the sequence derived from a hexagram in actual history. In any case, it's WP:OR. Barsoomian (talk) 02:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heptagram origin? Really? 

message: That's why it skips by 3 every day, as seen in the heptagram. It was actually the individual hours that were associated with the orbs; with one of the hours' orbs being designated the day's orb. This was as described by Roman historian Cassius_Dio. I'll leave it to others to find the details, make the addition and fill in the references.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.29.226.169 (talk) 19:25, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Heptagram: Because The Ordering Is Actually By The Hour

message: Hi, I'd just like to point out that on European calendars Monday is typically the first and Sunday the last day of the week. This is in line with Monday#Position_in_the_week. Not sure how this information fits into this article but it would be useful to mention it somewhere. Thanks, --EnOreg (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It varies with the country. In Portugal, Sunday is usually regarded as the first day of the week. FilipeS (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In modern Europe Monday is the fist day of the week 

message: I fixed several notes today, but the notes for where the Turkish names of Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday originate from do not link anywhere and use the wrong symbol (☉4, which coincides with Sunday in Turkish). Could someone familiar with Turkish fix this or explain the origin? --Apollo1758 (talk) 21:58, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish name footnotes 

message: 周末 means weekend, not Sunday. --JWB (talk) 17:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  周末 

message: The Turkish weekday names are now both listed in the section with weekday names beginning (day 1) on Sunday as in the section with weekday names beginning on Monday. AstroLynx (talk) 11:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish weekday names 

message: 1. It is slightly confusing that the Chinese names in the table in the "East Asian Seven Luminaries" section mostly have no connection with the elements or celestial objects that are the subject of the section. I know the blurb at the beginning does explain that "with the founding of the Republic of China in 1911, Monday through Saturday in China are now numbered one through six", and it implies that the traditional Chinese system did reference the elements or planets. If so, I think it would be helpful to show the traditional Chinese names in the table, and to either label the existing Chinese row as "modern", or delete it from this section entirely and relegate it, with a cross-reference, to the section "Days numbered from Monday", where it is already duplicated.
2. The note at the foot of the table, "Pronunciations for Old Chinese names are given in Modern Standard Chinese" is also confusing since it is unclear that there are any "Old Chinese" names in the table. 
3. The text states "The East Asian naming system of days of the week closely parallels that of the Latin system". It would be very useful and interesting to have some information about how this came about. 
109.153.236.183 (talk) 04:11, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese names 

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message: WilliamThweatt, 
Latin, Old Portuguese, Old Irish, Proto-Indo-European should be left there for historical purposes. Even though they are extinct languages, it will be good to include them for a more comprehensive picture of the article. However, Chu Nom in Vietnamese should be removed because that is no longer used for Vietnamese orthography. Further, unlike Old Irish or Proto Indo European, Chu Nom is not a language, it is an orthographic system that is no longer in use. Including it in there would be like adding Oracle Bone Script for Mandarin Chinese, or Egyptian Hieroglyphs for Modern Egyptian (Arabic). Quoc Ngu is the official standard orthography for Vietnamese. Chu Nom has been defunct for a century; it is not taught in Vietnam, and it is not the standard or official system for writing Vietnamese. Look at all the other entries in the table, it shows the official script or orthography of that language, and then a romanised version beneath it (unless that language already uses a latin writing system, then it is not further romanised) 
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* Greek: Κυριακή; Kyriakí
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* Hebrew: יום ראשון; yom rishon
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Doublestuff (talk) 21:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quoc Ngu Vietnamese 

message: Hello article creator,
The South Asian section needs to be divided up into two subsections. One should be "Sanskrit/Hindu based" the other should be "Islamic/Arabic based". Religion has played a part in what South Asian languages say what. For example, Urdu barely uses any of the terms that other South Asian languages use. That's because this language is heavily influenced from the West (Persian, Turkish, Arabic) compared to say Bengali which is heavily influenced by Hinduism.
So if I were you, I'd divide the section up into the following:
* Islamic/Arabic based (all these languages use similar terms for all days of the week).
**Urdu
**Sindhi
**Punjabi (Shahmukhi script)
**Kashmiri
and also add these languages
**Pashto (I'll provide you the terms)
**Balochi (same as above)
**Brahui (same)
**Balti 
**Burushaski
**Khowar
**Shina
**Wakhi 
**Hindko
**Kalasha
* Sanskrit/Hindu based 
**Hindi
**Bengali
**Nepali
**Punjabi (Gurmukhi script)
**Syhleti
**Bhojpuri
**Gujarati
**Tamil
**Kannada
**Oriya
**Telugu
**Malayalam
Additional points
#1. The languages between Burmese to Balinese are actually Southeast Asian.
#2. Also, Punjabi uses two scripts. The original script of PUNJABI (itself a Persian word) is a Persian based script called Shahmukhi. The Punjabi you've written in your article is Indianized Punjabi which came much later when Sikhs developed Gurmukhi script and the terms for the days of the week are biased in favour of that script. The Punjabi spoken in Pakistan does not use these newer terms. If you agree with my assessment I can help in getting you credible sources for the languages I have mentioned. Please let me know your opinion. Thanks. PAKHIGHWAYPAKHIGHWAY (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Asian Section needs attention 

message: Just to throw this out there, strictly speaking, it's incorrect to say that some of these systems "number the days from Monday". If you notice, in those particular systems, Sunday is never referred to as the "seventh day". It is, in fact, always unnumbered. The issue here has nothing to do with whether the first day is Sunday or Monday; it has to do with whether or not the numbering is absolute (inclusive) or relative (exclusive), counting from Sunday. Some systems count the days absolutely, with Sunday as "day one" (Sunday = the first day of the week, Monday = the second day of the week, Tuesday = the third day of the week) while others number each day by its position relative to Sunday (Sunday = Sunday, Monday = the first day after Sunday, Tuesday = the second day after Sunday, etc.) 98.115.103.26 (talk) 21:50, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Days are NOT numbered "from Monday" 

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message: The addition of Bavarian as an annomaly would be interesting, since it's based on the Germanic calendar, but with two exceptions: Tuesday in some dialects is called Iadda/Ergedåg/Erchdåg/Eredåg based on the Greek Árēos Hēmera (Day of Ares), and Thursday in some dialects is called Pfinzda/Pfinsdåg based on the Greek Pémptē Hēméra (Fifth Day).
Source:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bairische_Dialekte#Wochentage  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.141.2.104 (talk) 17:50, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they are generally considered to derive from Greek, transmitted through Gothic. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 13:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bavarian 

message: "Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday" have specific historic origins, and random factoids should not be included under these headings in a way that makes these factoids seem like they are the origin of these names. This is what the notes section does.
I will provide an example by looking at "Friday" in the notes section. By placing the notes there under the heading "Friday" an implication is made that they are the origin of the word, or somehow connected to it, and the notes section is where many people will jump hoping for a summary of the days origins given that one is not found elsewhere.
Irish fasting day was a replacement for the more pagan name and was spelled "An Domhnach" - by placing it underneath "Friday" the impression is given that the word friday came from or is connected directly to the Irish fasting day, or that the Irish fasting day was known as "Friday", which is not the case (as is well documented elsewhere in the article.)
"Good Friday" is simply a use of the already existing name, Friday, and the name of the day did not originate with or have any connection to Good Friday as the note section implies. This belongs on the page for Friday and/or a page detailing holidays - not the page detailing the names of days of the week.
Jumu'ah has the same problem as both An Domhnach and Good Friday. Firstly, neither the name Friday or Jumu'ah find their origins in the other. Secondly, while Jumu'ah happens on a friday it is not itself a day of the week, instead being a prayer that happens during that day of the week. Jumu'ah is also confusingly repeated twice, once directly and again with a citation noting that the word for gathering - which is Jumu'ah - is also a secular word in Malta. Both of these insertions are spurious and misleading when given in this way, as in neither case is Jumu'ah a word for a day of the week, nor a word that is in any way connected to the word Friday.
Most galling of all the actual origin of the name "Friday" as coming from Frige or Freya is not even mentioned in the notes, despite being documented elsewhere in the article. The information showing that the names of the days originally came from Roman gods/planets, with the Roman names for tuesday through friday being replaced by germanic versions of Old Norse god's names, is already on the page - but this is confusing and difficult to find in the article instead of being prominently displayed as a primary point of interest, and is not even clearly mentioned at the start!
Every day in the "Notes" section suffers from similar problems to friday, but I think you get the point. For this reason I propose that a short introduction stating the direct historical origin of the most commonly used modern names be inserted on or at the top, the notes section entirely deleted, and relevant information from the notes section be integrated into either the existing section on the page or moved to the day's individual wikipedia page if it has nothing to do with its name. 
A common usage section formatted this way would also be best placed towards the front of the article, I say this for two reasons. First it is what most people will be looking for, secondly it provides a prominent way to link to pages of individual days for those seeking information not related to their names.
This would be much clearer and to the point, with less chance for confusion, but I also feel it is too sweeping a change to make without community input. Would anything be lost via this change? Is there a clearer or more accessible way to format the information?
2601:545:4600:D514:748D:87E7:8847:6130 (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: All of your points are excellent, and obviously researched and supported.  I hope you straighten out this mess, and I haven't even read that section, yet.  That said, this is an old article, with an old talk page.  Your comment is one of the newest on the page.  Please place new comments at the BOTTOM of the page.  if your browser shows a "+" at top of page, just use that button, and you will automatically be positioned correctly, or click "new section" or "new topic". I intend to clip and paste you to the chronologically correct place.  rags (talk) 15:42, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes section misleading, description of the problem and proposal for a fix 

message: A section should be added to reflect the opposition to 6 of the days being named after ancient gods (English Names) in modern times, and efforts that are in place to change the names. Attempts to secularize dates are happening, and it would be a good topic to add to the page. For example, if BC/AD is to be changed then the names of the days should be changed as well.
:Religious objections? It should be noted that Christian cultural iconoclasts have had the leisure of centuries to change the names of the days of the week (perhaps to Johnday, Paulday, Georgeday, Ringoday, etc., you might think), and so far they've only got around to renaming Sunday in some languages, and not in others. So I think they've very little chance of effecting such a change nowadays, when most of us either don't give a damn about religious matters any more; or find it quaintly charming that the English language still uses god-names redolent of its honest, heathen past, a thousand years ago!
:Nuttyskin (talk) 01:56, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a note about the Quaker usage of 'First Day' under 'Days numbered from Sunday' Addedentry (talk) 21:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

text: I object on purely scientific grounds.  The planets have no influence over human life, nor do they "rule" over the days.  The same law of gravity rules the planetary rotations as rules ours.  Pagans are "slaves of the wandering stars".  Free yourself from superstition.  Thanks to the demonstration of  Newton%27s law of universal gravitation,  we no longer have to take this on faith from the Biblical monotheists.  We know it for a fact.  The greek language followed the hebrew in naming days after their number in the week, and that may be the best naming convention.   Jaredscribe (talk) 01:18, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious objections to the names of the days 

message: If the English names are derived from Norse deities considered equivalent to the original Greco-Roman deities that bore the names of the weekdays, then why is Saturday not named/associated with Njörðr when the Roman deity Saturn went by his name in Icelandic traditions? Vigfússon (1874:456). 2407:7000:A2AB:D00:8DB0:63B3:F1B7:E932 (talk) 21:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Saturday not named after Njörðr? 

message: Should current English have a line of entries in the table in Germanic tradition"?
S C Cheese (talk) 10:19, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: Nitai 2402:3A80:1102:7F15:0:0:266F:6D5D (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nitaipoddar 

message: The tabels starting with Sunday is Americacentric, a lot of countries have Monday as the first day, and since none of them is more relevant then the oher, we should look at internaional standers, ISO norm lists money as first and sunday as seventh day of the week, and thus, the tabels should start with Monday Norschweden (talk) 15:00, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tabels should start with monday 

message: The classic order of the planets from fastest/inner to slowest/outer planets are: Moon (C, Mo), Mercury (D, We), Venus (E, Fr), Sun (F, Su), Mars (G, Tu), Jupiter (A, Th), Saturn (B, Sa). The "Heptagram" in the article should indicate the harmonic cycle of fifths with the classic planet sequence around the circle connecting the sequence of the days of the week by the star pattern. Suppose we begin with C=Mo, the next fifth is G=Tu, then D=We, A=Th, E=Fr, B=Sa, F=Su, and back to C (Moon, slightly flat "wolf tone"). Alexgenaud (talk) 14:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're saying that stepping by four in a cycle of seven makes a pattern isomorphic to that of stepping by four in a cycle of seven?  The strong law of small numbers comes to mind. —Tamfang (talk) 04:12, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sequence and cycle of fifths