Talk:Trafford Park

message: As written, the article, citing Canal Archive appeared to state that the Fourth Baronet de Trafford had been the landowner who strongly opposed the ship canal in the early 1880s. In fact, Sir Humphrey de Trafford, the Second Baronet was the landowner at this time. He died in 1886, and his son Sir Humphrey Francis de Trafford, was more positive towards the canal. Therefore I have removed the text mentioning the "4th Sir Humphrey de Trafford". Rupert Clayton 18:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sir Humphrey de Trafford confusion

message: You can verify the information about Metrovicks, AV Roe and Rolls Royce is taken from official websites: 
* http://www.artistopia.com/stretford/biography
* http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/manchester/local/TRA27952.html
and the hit Old Trafford with the crater in the lawn is here: 
* http://www.geocities.com/larwilson2001/manchester_blitz.htm
Michael Palomino (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the links. If you have the sources don't be afraid to integrate them into the article yourself. Nev1 (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

text: It might be worth pointing out though that the aristopia article is a mirror of wikipedia's Stretford article, most of which I wrote. So hardly "official". :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources about Trafford Park during WWII

message: Would the Trafford Park Hotel be a suitable lead image? --Jza84 |  Talk   22:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure. The article already uses a picture of the hotel; I'll give it some thought. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 14:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was just a suggestion. I wasn't sure how major a landmark it was, though it's a pretty building. Still on a quest to get more static images in these GM infoboxes. --Jza84 |  Talk   23:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Trafford Park is massive, and the hotel is hidden down a side street by The Village. But don't worry, I'll think of something. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image 

message: I've read over the article and it looks in good shape, I've got a few points but I think that apart from the 'decline' section it's already GA standard.
*A very minor MOS point: dashes are inconsistently used with figures, eg: 8-acre (3.2 ha) and 80 acres (32.4 ha). Since you're using conversion templates, I'm not sure what's causing this.
**When "8 acre", for instance, is used as an adjective, as in "an 8-acre field", MoS says that it should be hyphenated.
*Should hives and safes be capitalised?
**I'm not certain about that. Certainly they're capitalised in Nicholls' book, so I'm inclined to say probably they should be capitalised, although I agree it does perhaps look a bit odd.
*May as well merge the two paragraphs under 'Second World War'.
**Done.
*It's mentioned twice that Ford made Rolls-Royce engines under licence, perhaps not necessary to repeat it.
**Done.
*It would be worth mentioning which ward Trafford Park is in under 'political representation'.
**Done.
*In the 'geography' section would it be worth mentioning the surrounding settlements?
**Good idea. Done.
*"..known locally simply as the Village", use quotation marks around 'the village'? Also, should village really be capitalised later on in the same section?
**Bit like the Hives and Safes really. Certainly "Village" is capitalised on local road signs, and also in Nicholls' book.
*I've briefly mentioned the Trafford Park Euroterminal rail freight terminal in the 'transport' section. It might be work talking a bit about the Manchester Ship Canal here, however briefly, although it is well covered earlier on.
I don't have a book on Trafford Park, but there are sections in some books I have that I'll look through to see if they can be useful.
:Thanks for the help and the suggestions. I'll see what I can do about the rest later. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 13:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if Nicholls capitalises the terms that's fair enough, but it may come up if this ever goes to FAC. Nev1 (talk) 13:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

text: That's good stuff. All I think we're missing now before a GAN is a bit about the park's regeneration? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 16:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Oh, and to expand the lead a bit as well. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 16:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Is this strictly correct - "Neither the deer park nor the ancestral home of the de Trafford family, Trafford Hall, survived the estate's 20th-century industrialisation." since Trafford Hall was demolished as as result of bomb damage, and not as a result of industrialisation.  I have my 'extremely picky hat' on.  Also, Cornbrook station - the wiki article for the metrolink station includes a paragraph about the old station, which apparently closed in 1865 - so is it correct to state that the connection to the rest of the network was made via this station?  Parrot of Doom (talk) 19:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I suppose you have a point, I'll rephrase that bit about 20th-century industrialisation. So far as Cornbrook Station is concerned, I've checked the source and what it actually says is that the parks railway system linked to the MSJ & AR near Cornbrook, so I'll change that. I'm going to blame Nev1 for that one. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Looks good

message: This article has undergone a GA review and passed. -epicAdam (talk) 19:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: In the geography section it says "Chat Moss in nearby Salford, also owned by the Trafford family". Should that be the "de Trafford" family? Richerman (talk) 22:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC they changed their name a few times, from de Trafford to Trafford and back to de Trafford again, so Trafford might well be right for the 18th century. I'll double check what the source calls them. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It calls them de Trafford. Dang, you're right! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trafford family 

message: I am posting this here because I don't know where else to put it. It's about the Metropolitan Vickers entry but the discussion page there has no room for anything.
The MetroVickers article describes how the company grew out of Westinghouse but does not mention any connection with Trafford Park until the bombing of the factory in 1940. Then it obliquely mentions the West Mosley Road site, and only then does Trafford Park come up at all.
Compare this with all the other British WWII aircraft manufacturers, or large manufacturing plants in general, where the location is firmly established at the beginning.Brianhep (talk) 13:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, that's a very strange omission from that article. The History section is rather poor generally. Needs to be sorted. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 14:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Metropolitan Vickers]]

message: Unfortunately reference 2 is a dead link. A short piece on the masterplan is here which is ok for the first two references, but the plan itself seems to have gone. Richerman (talk) 01:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Link 

message: Is this photo any good to the article? Perhaps as the static image? It's grey, it's cold, it's bleak but a good reflection of the landscape none-the-less. :S --Jza84 |  Talk   00:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The top half of the image could be cropped, at the moment it rather dominates and draws the eye, perhaps tweak the colours on photoshop to make it look a little less grey. I think it could go in the geography section, if not the infobox. Nev1 (talk) 01:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see what I can do. ;) --Jza84 |  Talk   01:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Bit of retouching produced the thumb in the top right. Any good for the article? --Jza84 |  Talk   02:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking good. It's more representative of the area than the current static image, so should probably go in the infobox, but could we use the other image elsewhere? Nev1 (talk) 02:26, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Yep, looks good for the infobox to me as well. --Malleus Fatuorum 03:39, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image? 

message: I'm not sure what to do with this so I'll just put it here. Parrot of Doom 15:45, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be worth a sentence somewhere, but I'm at a loss as to what a Business Neighbourhood Area actually is and what the implications are and suppose many of our readers may be in a similar situation. Nev1 (talk) 16:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: The image linked on the right of the Trafford Park village section is incorrectly identified as 'Eleventh Avenue'.  There is no Eleventh Avenue there never was.  There is however an Eleventh Street, and from looking at an old aerial photographhttp://manchesterhistory.net/manchester/outside/villageair53b.jpghttp://manchesterhistory.net/manchester/outside/village.html taken by the RAF I believe it is looking east from a point just east of Third Avenue.
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replies: text: I believe you're right, so I've altered the image caption.  Eric Corbett 20:15, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Village - Eleventh Avenue 

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