Talk:History of the Cape Colony from 1806 to 1870

message: There are some spellings that need looking at- E.g. Amaxosa is surely amaXhosa, Nongkwase is normally spelt Nongqawuse.
On the subject of the word Kaffir as used in this article: there are areas where the word has historical context (Kaffir Wars, any quotes from dispatches, books etc). In most cases though I would support it being replaced by some less in-your-face term, as the way the word is used does often not refer to a historical usage, but is simply a generic term for blacks as used by the settlers of the time.
::Agree. Xhosa replaces Kaffir, as discussed above. Many of the other spellings are incorrect according to today's conventions. I suspect the article was originally taken from an ancient Enclyclopedia Britannica, judging by the colonial tone, and old spellings. It needs a far bit of work still. Certainly not featured article standard yet. Greenman 2 July 2005 18:34 (UTC)
:::Spot on - the original is from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica article online at Love to Know Humansdorpie 13:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  names in this article 

message: This article is written from a British Colonial perspective: Words like "natives" are used. When Africans fight for their freedom this is referred to as "causing problems". Africans are referred to as enemies--clearly a British Colonial perspective masking the fact that the British (and the Dutch before)were the invaders, on the wrong side of the earth, and destroyed societies that had been there for a very long time.  
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:  Páll (Die pienk olifant) 13:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, the article is rife with colonialist bias and racism, blatantly evident in passages such as these "On 22 April 1817, led by a prophet-chief named Makana, they attacked Graham’s Town, then held by a handful of white troops. Help arrived in time and the enemy were beaten back.  It was then agreed that the land between the Fish and the Keiskamma rivers should be neutral territory." In addition the entire history of Cape Colony is told from the British and Afrikaner perspective, and not from the point of view of the Xhosa or the KhoiKho, whose sovereignty and terrieory were being usurped.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.192.68.117 (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  colonial bias 

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thread_title:  FAR 

message: I removed opening paragraph to this section references the "delusions" that led to the cattle killings. This term seems quite loaded to me, and I don't think it would be used if the article was referencing the beliefs of other faiths.
Also, the reference I added cited 40,000 deaths, not 50,000.
Finally, I tried to add a footnote, but had trouble understanding the correct syntax.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shultze (talk • contribs) 21:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit of Cattle Killings 

message: First, much information contradicts what's in the standard scholarly reference, J.B. Peires' "The Dead Will Arise." Second, most of what's here is racially biased and presents white viewpoints without presenting the Xhosa viewpoint (both of which are covered and exhaustively documented in Peires' book). I'm new here and don't have the skills to make the changes but would be happy to provide the info to someone who can. (Email me at senselj@yahoo.com.) Short of that, that part of the article needs a flag that indicates it is incomplete, incorrect, or biased.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.244.167 (talk) 15:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Cattle-Killing Movement section of this article has problems 

message: This talk page has already mentioned that this article is almost a direct copy-and-paste from this 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica article -- thus mirroring all of its outdated history, colonial language and organization of the subject matter. Not only was it dated to 1911, but the 1911 article says it is a condensed version of the 1878 book History and Geography of South Africa by G. M. Theal. 
The section on the Xhosa Cattle Killing told the ‘Chief’s plot’ account of the events (a long-ago falsified conspiracy that the Xhosa chiefs were trying to starve their own people to recruit them for war) and likened the Xhosa to cannibals eating their children! I have edited and rewritten paragraphs in that section considerably to incorporate modern scholarship and Peires seminal account The Dead Will Arise - but I would highly encourage others familiar with the other wars and sections to do the same. Just replacing ‘Kaffir’ with Xhosa does not remove the colonial bias and outdated historical interpretations embedded in the content of this page, and almost all of it needs to be rewritten. 
Another thing to consider is that the very categories of this article are the exact subsections from the 1911 article -- while names like the 'The Great Amaxosa Delusion’ have been updated to 'Xhosa cattle-killing movement and famine,' the content and overall structure of what types of events are included remains the same. The focus currently is on wars and the perspective of the colonial apparatus. What kinds of sections could we add to get to the Xhosa perspective and go beyond the colonial state? 
I was really disappointed when I read the article, then encouraged when I saw the discussions going on here about the inappropriate use of ‘Kaffir,’ the inaccuracies in the Cattle Killing section, and the overall colonial bias. Now let’s translate that from the talk page to editing the actual page, which still remains almost an exact copy of the 1911 page, minus ‘Kaffir.’
DustyGusty (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversing the outdated, colonial history - not just identifying the bias    

message: this wording in this line: "In 1854, the lungsickness disease spread through the cattle of the Xhosa..." implies that lungsickness disease has already been mentioned previously in the article (it hasn't).  Also, if the disease in question is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagious_bovine_pleuropneumonia there should be a link to it on first use.AL20227 (talk) 16:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Lungsickness" Disease 

message: How the British colonialism impact on the lives of the people of the cape colony 41.114.166.42 (talk) 05:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History