Talk:Nintendo DS/Archive 1

message: How come all this info was removed in just one day? (see this link for the differances) Can anyone explain this?<BR>--Fern 12:05, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: First, to be more precise: the info was actually removed in one minute (see diff). Second, it was done/perpetrated by the eminent Mr/Ms Anonymous from the above thread re "PictoChat", who according to the logged contributions haven't done much else on Wikipedia (at least not from that IP address). If we feel like it, we might of course go and see whether some of the removed stuff should be put back in. As for me, I'm not sure we should just put everything back -- some of it seemed to be (intelligent) ruminations on the possibilities of the DS hardware, which is no sin in and of itself, but which might not have a place in an encyclopedia. --Wernher 00:38, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Information loss

message: An hour of so ago I corrected a statement of the DS being a "64-bit console" to 32-bit, based on the wordlength of its two ARM processors. However, some Googling left me slightly in doubt as to whether the DS should be considered a console with "64-bit graphics" (which might be the case, say, if its graphics hardware has 64-bit GPUs/datapaths). Anyone having read more about this? --Wernher 00:58, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: "64-bit graphics"?

message: I took out the reference to the Game Boy 2, because not only is it irrelevant, it's unsubstantiated. Where does anyone from Nintendo say "Game Boy 2"? Adding 2 to consoles is something that has come from PlayStation 2's dominance over mainstream games - all consoles from Nintendo have had codenames (Project Reality, Project Dolphin, Project Revolution, etc.) Back to the relevance point - whenever we get real information from Nintendo, it should go to the Game Boy article. Andre 04:12, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Game Boy 2

message: Eh? Lockeownzj00 21:57, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the one on List of Nintendo DS games? Maybe we should move it out of See also into a more prominent area. Andre 22:00, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: I see someone's put up a list of launch titles. While that's fair enough for the time being, I'm probably going to remove it on launch day. It's too bulky and too slight to be worth keeping. Sockatume 01:23, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we use that 50-something list of DS releases? 

message: Sept 24 AP article about Sony PSP at Tokyo Game Show, but includes pricing for DS: $149.99 in US and 15,000 yen ($135) in Japan. Link at http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/gear/entertainment/2004-09-24-psport_x.htm Petersam 04:43, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Update on pricing

message: Can someone clarify exactly what it is?  –Andre (talk)  18:48, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  This promotional campaign 

message: Why is a link to the Playstation Portable [sic] included in the links section? Regardless of the perceived war between DS and PSP lovers, links to information about the PSP are not relevant to this article. -
:Nah, it's relevant enough IMHO. PSP and DS are competitors and in the same portable generation, and the DS was arguably conceived of to begin with to fight Sony's entry into handhelds. Andre (talk)  06:14, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
I disagree. I think that the link to the PSP is not needed. In fact, it seems to me that this is almost an act of Sony "fanboy-ism." I notice that the PSP article also has a link to this article. It seems to me that someone is trying to make it seem that there is a "war" between the PSP and DS. In my opinion, that violates NPV. Additionally, why is there a picture comparing the PSP and DS? They are different products from different companies, and there is no way to justify that picture. I mean, on the Playstation 2 page, is there a picture of it along side the Gamecube? No, there isn't. And like this, there shouldn't be.
:I put the PSP link here to balance the DS link included in the PSP article. They represent a generation of hardware, they're possibly going to be sales rivals, and they've been heavily scrutinised and compared by the press, so it seems fair to me link them to eachother. Almost every console article links to the manufacturer's other products (GBA to DS and GC, for example), so I don't see why the system's competitors can't be represented by a link. As for the image, I'm not bothered whether it's kept or removed or split in two so there's just one console on each article. Sockatume 13:39, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Playstation Portable link?

message: Please refer to Binary prefix.  As a description of solid-state memory, both instances of MB in the article actually refer to mebibytes. UTSRelativity 06:15, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
:My bad, somebody pointed out that I got my meanings of the prefixes backwards (I'd remembered Mibi etc. as the decimalised, round-numbers version), but I forgot to actually revert my revert. Will do immediately Sockatume 12:35, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: MiB versus MB

message: There's an edit-war going on here between two anonymous users; it's quite likely there's a similarly heated discussion going on in a forum somewhere with each side seeking to use the Wikipedia as evidence. The issue is who built the NDS' screen; one claims it's Sharp (manufacturer of the PSP screen), one claims it isn't. As the only information I can trawl from Google regarding the DS screen's manufacturer is an unsubstantiated forum topic, I cannot say with certainty who is correct. I call for both parties to cease their editing immediately and resolve the dispute by posting any evidence for their case here. If not, I'll consider contacting an admin and having the article protected until such a time as the dispute can be resolved by third parties. Sockatume 20:12, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen a couple of other articles mention it as well, so I'd be willing to let it go up, but I'd be a bit wary until there's some evidence, lest there be more edit-war feeding. Sockatume 13:27, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Screen Manufacturer

message: Mostly to improve NPOV nature and trim down a bit; I moved the DS-and-PSP image down the page, and removed redundant links (IIRC it's standard to only include one wiki link to a specific article in a page, so save overloading with blue text), and because the DS-and-PSP image just seems far more appropriate in a segment listing other handheld machines. Sockatume 14:06, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: My edits

message: It contained no references to substantiate the claims it made.
:It contained links to interviews with the people in the company in question, didn't it? It should've, they're easy enough to find.  Sockatume 17:30, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed speculation section.... 

message: I had made changes to the article changing US refrences to North America as appropriate. Then it was reverted back because the IP was from a school proxy that has been known to contain vandals. I can see why it was done, however, in error. I would just ask that you check the changes to the article before you revert it. It is a school proxy and therefore is used by anyone in the school... some are vandals, yes, but some (like myself) are trying to improve it. Please check for vandalism before you alledge it. Thanks. Ritz 22:56, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts from "vandal" 

message: The text in the article was slightly incorrect. 
Old text:
The unit features wireless networking capabilities for multiplayer games or chat, which can use either a proprietary short-range wireless link (supporting up to 16 players), or Wi-Fi. The proprietary link is capable of a range up to 40-100 feet (30 metres), depending on conditions. This link is also coined as Ni-Fi. The DS uses the IEEE 802.11b standard for Wi-fi, slightly modified for the proprietary link.
I changed this to:
The unit features wireless networking capabilities for multiplayer games or chat using Wi-Fi. The current software does not use IP, thefore preventing Internet play features and use of Wi-Fi routers with the DS, however future games can implement an IP stack and therefore support online gaming.
Reasoning: Darkain was one of serveral people who worked on cracking the wireless communications of the DS. There is a thread on this that is over 30 pages long. It descibes the progress of hacking the DS's wireless. They were successful in capturing and decoding Pictochat packets, and were even able to progress to the point of making the DS beilve that nonexistant games were available for ds download play.
They succeeded in doing all of this using normal (although highly specific) Wi-Fi hardware. They had to use specific Wi-Fi hardware because some hardware has a nasty habit of modifying packets, and the DS uses short preamble. Short preamble is an optional Wi-Fi feature so some (many?) devices do not support creation of packets using it.
Darkain explains that the DS uses only wifi on a page at his site. (Pedantics may note that the DS deviates just a tiny bit from the 802.11b in some areas, but this makes no difference to the argument as a whole.) Of some note is that based on his description, while a Wi-Fi *router* will not work with the DS's Layer 3 Protocol, a Wi-Fi *hub* (I don't think these exist) would work as a range extender by repeating the raw MAC packets.
Please feel free to help rephrase my replacement as appropriate.
Tacvek 23:28, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wi-Fi 

message: Don't give up your day job, Mr. Would Be Reviewer. Sockatume 00:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, seriously. Wikipedia is not a place to put out personal opinions. Other websites cater to that end much better. --Shadow Hog 01:13, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Recent vandalism 

message: I think someone whould note some of the E3 news. Firstly, it has been reported that some kind of GBA cartridge with a rumble pack in it was used with the Metroid Pinball demos at E3. Also, apparently Nintendo have made some kind of talking system that can be used with the DS's wi-fi. It used a head set, and I think it's meant to be some kind of a voice over system..
:Doesn't surprise me; what DOES surprise me is that they've not made a GBA cart for DS saves yet, since that could mean multi-card cames, such as large RPGs (and if Squenix's in tow, FFVII anyone?). --Shadow Hog 15:01, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumble pack feature in Metroid Pinball 

message: If the Metroid demo is not bundled with the Nintendo DS as of May of 2005, I have a question: I bought my Nintendo DS yesterday, and it was bundled with the Metroid demo. So, is it still bundled or is this a rare case? --WikiFan04ß 1:36, 9 Jun 2005 (CDT)
:It's not rare, you just bought an old box that the store still had in stock. DS systems shipped in May and afterwards no longer have the demo. --Poiuyt Man talk 10:57, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metroid Demo 

message: It looks like the weight and color of the unit are described, would it be possable to get the size posted? 66.173.192.96 03:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size  

message: When viewing this page in IE, the "Red", "Purple Pokepark", and "White" images from the "Colors" section float to the top of the article, making the text unreadable.  The page works fine in Firefox.  I tried using an HTML table to resolve the issue, but that just floated the rest of the pictures to the top as well, so I reverted.  Anyone know how to fix this?  -Armaced 30 June 2005 18:18 (UTC)
:People who still use IE should be shoot. :P Havok 30 June 2005 18:36 (UTC)
:It's fixed now, made it a gallery, should look good in IE aswell. Havok 30 June 2005 18:46 (UTC)
::Much better.  And cool trick, by the way.  Of course wikipedia users would be firefox users, and Linux users, etc... :) -Armaced 30 June 2005 19:58 (UTC)
:I refixed it, works perfect in IE. Havok 22:37, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures of colors messes up page in IE

message: Someone had added info on how the battery is interchangable. While it can actually be removed, it is not meant to be interchanged with other batteries like a cell phone. After much use, the battery will only fill to about 75% of a full chage, and after about 500 charges the battery will need to be replaced. Removing the battery, however, will cause the loss of all of the DS's stored memory, and the owner will need to add all of it after the new battery is inserted. Atomic Cosmos 04:46, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battery 

message: Why do you oppose adding ndsupdates.com to the links list? NDS Updates is a news website for the Nintendo DS that is updated daily when something new regarding the DS arrives. It also has a large download center with all homebrew related to the DS.
I notice that you have a link to an SNES emulator for the DS. Why not allow a link that has that emulator, and all other emulators for the DS, such as the GB/GBC, Genesis, NES and more? Xizer
:Because it's just a blog, and there are hundreds of them. Possibly thousands. If NDSUpdates was significant in the homebrew community, it'd be above the bar, but until then, it's not.
:If you want to flesh out the links to the emulation sites themselves (which are significant, as long as they're functional or notable in a technical sense), go for it. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 00:52, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As A Man In Black said, there are thousands of links to blogs, which we don't need. This site is not a link depository and as such all links should be discussed her first. Havok 09:11, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opposition to NDSUpdates.com? 

message: Here's a poll - should the DS and PSP comparison picture be included in some form in the article?
=== Yes, as an image in the article ===
#Andre (talk) 15:06, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
#Shadow Hog 16:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll 

message: #Andre (talk) 15:06, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
#Shadow Hog 16:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, as an image in the article 

message: # Ideally, it'd be a picture of as many handheld game systems as possible. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 05:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, as a link in See Also to the image 

message: #They have nothing to do with each other, and only serves as fodder for fanboys. The picture should be moved to Comparison of Handheld gaming consoles, seeing as it has no place in either the PSP or DS article. Havok 23:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No 

message: I've created Comparison of Handheld gaming consoles, feel free to add other handhelds and correct faults. Havok 11:37, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice. I believe I suggested this as one of the possible solutions. Could this be developed into a more far reaching comparison table, perhaps incorporating all games consoles? Trip: The Light Fantastic 21:32, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison of Handheld gaming consoles 

message: IGN has a DS Wi-Fi Trailer video that will be appearing in theaters. Here is the link to the article. Here is a link to the video. -Hyad 07:28, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw it today while seeing The Wedding Crashers. It's definitely in theaters. Andre (talk) 08:00, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
:I saw it a day before you posted, not that that's a bad thing. Are these ads in Australian cinema's?--Sultn 08:56, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS Wi-Fi trailer out now 

message: I made a small addition to the Colors section. This is my first edit, so I'm sorry if I did something terribly wrong. Also, I wasn't sure where to post my source...
--Wraith 19:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors