Talk:Public defender

message: In Germany a public defender ("Pflichtverteidiger") is ordered by the court if the defendant has not got an other defendant by himself, even though if he has has to pay the court fees(e.g. he lost the trial) he also needs to pay the public defendant after he wents through all offical channels.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.35.235.124 (talk) 16:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, the reason I added the globalise template was that I though the article should be about about the general consept of having the government provide or pay for a lawyer for the defendant, and not just the the spesific US legal term. Basicaly I was writing a bio stub on a Norwegian lawyer who served as the "offentlige forsvarer" (literal translation "publid defender") of Mullah Krekar and so I linked to this article, but all it talked about was the US system, so I slapped the globalise template on it and wandered off elsewhere. Basicaly I though this would be the logical place to have an article about the general consept of having the government pay for or otherwise provide a defense lawyer to people (also the interwiki link to :sv:Offentlig försvarare is misleading since that article does not mention the US version at all while that is all this article covers), though I guess I could have created Public defender (consept) or something and set up a disambiguation page instead, but it's not rely my area of extertise so it would just have been a stub-stub. --Sherool (talk) 06:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The larger problem is that nearly all the work on sociology of the legal profession has been done in the United States, because only the U.S. has an educational system big enough to subsidize a community of scholars who actually dedicate their lives to studying such a thing.  We have hundreds of books on sociology of the criminal justice system, prosecutors, and public defenders in the United States, but very few sociologists have bothered to do such work in any other countries.  And yes---I've looked extensively, as part of my ongoing research to develop the Lawyer article to featured article status.  --Coolcaesar 01:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The template has been here for several months now. While I am mindful of the non-jingositic NPOV ethic, I think that we should either set up a disambiguation (thus encouraging further development of articles on indigent representation around the world) or, we should just remove the template. Unless there is a solution in progress for the problem which the template points out then the template is just a blemish on the page without a purpose. (Like if I wrote a message with my finger on my very dirty car that said, "I really need to wash my car!" ...but refused to wash it for months...) One potentially painless solution would be to put a message on top of the page with links to (extant or not) entries for the names for indigent defense counsel around the world...PBF 04:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have removed the template after a discussion w/ sherool on our respective talk pages. Will attempt to address ww view issue by linking to international indigent defense articles [existing or not] will use this article  or one like it, to come up with a list of other systems in the international context (I see that the article [lawyer] already has something similar.) If anyone has any better ideas I'm all ears. PBF 17:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: agreed66.99.221.227 20:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide View? 

message: Though I recognize that the U.S. is by some way the largest user of the term, I have a couple of reasons for adding the tag back. One, that it's not the only user of the term: witness the Public Defender Service in England & Wales. And two, that the article as it stands barely specifies that it's talking about the U.S. Plenty of other countries have a federal structure, so this does need to be explicitly mentioned right up top. 86.132.138.159 (talk) 00:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it several Europan countries have public defenders or something similar. I added a globalize tag, but it was removed with the comment that public defenders exist primarily in the US and Brazil. Unless this article uses som very restrictive definition of public defender I think that comment was incorrect. After reading the discussion above I understand that there is consensus for not having the globalize tag in the article, though I don't agree with it.Sjö (talk) 10:41, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoring globalize tag 

message: The paragraph Funding and staffing problems says: "Research has indicated that indigents receive the highest level of representation when assisted by a well funded professional office dedicated to criminal defense. Some of these studies have indicated that the outcomes for properly funded and independent public defender clients are on equal footing as clients of private attorneys in the same jurisdiction." Seems to be unreferneced.--朝鲜的轮子 (talk) 05:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What researches? 

message: These sources may be useful to add to the article - 
*http://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/how-americans-lost-right-counsel-50-years-after-gideon
*http://yalelawjournal.org/issue/issue/volume-122-issue-8-june-2013 (vol. 122/ no. 8 / pp. 2106-2720) June 2013 - "Gideon effect" symposium - SourceOhWatch (स्रोतः उवाच) 10:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations