Talk:Association football/Archive 4

message: I believe the best solution would be to have wikipedia check the origin of the IP.  If it's a US (and other countries that use soccer) IP, change title to soccer.  If it's England, Australia, etc. make the title football.  I don't know if the MediaWiki software is capable of something like this.  My guess is probably not as this is such a specific problem.
I'm from the US but personally, I'd call it football, if there were no alternative.  Though we as Americans may think that the only English-speaking country's opinion which matters is the US, it doesnt change the fact that if you use hte term football elsewhere in the world, you're likely to get a response pertaining to soccer not American football.
However, the best way would be just to have a main redirection page or just automatically direct people to the disambiguation page.  Like have two links maybe one with a picture of an american football (the ball) next to it and another with a soccer ball next to it.
Actually I've jsut found out that rugby is soemtimes called football
"Australians fall into three camps when it comes to naming the two codes of rugby: in New South Wales and Queensland, people usually refer to rugby union simply as "rugby" and to rugby league simply as "football"."
:The main article page calls it "Football (soccer)". This is not hard to understand, and there's no need to complicate it. There's even a picture of a player right on the front of the article. (I am a Canadian, we use soccer. Makes no difference, everyone understands the use of the word "football") -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:54, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's known as soccer in Australia, New Zealand and possibly South Africa (not sure about that one, though) too. Not to suggest that the page should be called soccer, but it's a more widespread name for the game than you think. StuartH 02:00, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, the game is known by different names in different places (and even different names in the one place, eg South Africa). The article reflects this reality without letting the issue take up an inordinant amount of space; the whole naming "issue" has its own article devoted to it to allow the Football (soccer) article to cover the important issues regarding the game. Cheers, --Daveb 02:43, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football Soccer name 

message: A wikiportal (Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Association football) has been started by Johan Elisson. -- Phoenix2 21:20, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Portal

message: I have added a section on fouls and misconduct, as there wasn't any information on them in the article. Due to the size of the topic I have only given brief descriptions and a couple of erxamples; however, considering the importance of the topic it probably warrants a spin-off article to give details.
I have also updated/created articles for each of the restarts, except free kicks, and have tried to keep a standard format for them. If someone would like to review them that would be good. I will probably try to tackle the rewrite of Free kick in the near future, unless someone else is keen :-)
Cheers, --Daveb 06:31, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restarts and Fouls & Misconduct 

message: I reverted a change which stated that hand ball meant using a part of the arm from the tip of the finger to the elbow. Though FIFA does not actually define hand ball it has always been applied when any part of the arm was used and even when the shoulder is used in many cases (especially if the arms are raised or the player aggressively moves his shoulder to the ball)  Slide tackling is simply one kind of tackle, it is quite possible to tackle a player without sliding, in fact in a lot of amateur tournaments slide tackling is forbidden.
Bob Palin 23:07, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hand ball and slide tackles 

message: What's the oldest football club in the world?
:Sheffield F.C.. SpiceMan 21:19, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sheffield is the oldest to be playing association football/soccer; see the new oldest football club article. Grant65 (Talk) 14:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest football club 

message: What on Earth is 'ballsack'? Wiktionary doesn't know it and the only thing Wikipedia seems to be able to come up with is 'scrotum'. I doubt if that is meant :) . DirkvdM 07:47, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was almost certainly vandalism; I removed it. Cheers, --Daveb 14:48, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballsack? 

message: Norbutt2001,
Some background regarding the Names of the game section of the Football (soccer) article.
Until a few months ago a large portion of the article was taken up by unwieldy information regarding the names of football; everyone wanted to add their little take on what is the "best" or "correct" name, and we even ended up with a long list of different names for the sport in different parts of the world. The core issues that should be covered by the main article on the sport were lost amongst a fairly trivial issue.
In response, this information was initially to its own section (a Names of the game section), and then the issue was spun-off to its own dedicated page: Football (soccer) names. A similar issue arose on the Football article, and they similar responded by spinning off Football (word).
For Football (soccer), there has been a focussed attempt to keep the whole naming issue as small as possible in the core article and to keep discussions regarding the name in its own article, so that the main article can focus on the major issues surrounding the sport.
The issue of the title for the article has already been discussed at length, as you will see by reading this discussion page.
--Daveb 06:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background on the names of the game section 

message: Can somebody point me to the "extensive" discussion that concluded that football (soccer) is NOT the most popular sport in the world? (not the "most played", but the "most popular", two different things)
I'd like to participate.
--Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  #1 

message: This is clearly NOT a shot illustrated by the picture.
The player (#10) is still outside the box and so close to the bottom line.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raybooboo (talk • contribs) 25 Sept 2005.
:It's difficult to tell what's happening from a static picture — you should perhaps message the person who uploaded the picture to ask them what happened. Cheers, --Daveb 02:22, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the picture 

message: Why is there another article named Football? I think the other one should be change to Football (history) or something.
P.S.
Don't take this post TO serioulsy as I have not followed the multiple discusions int he subjet. I'm just looking to satisfy my curiosity.Nnfolz 18:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two articles of the same topic? 

message: I have heard that in the past a coin was flipped to decide a tie-break instead of going into extra time or having a penalty-kick shootout. Is it true? Also, what exactly happens if the penalty-kick shootout results in a draw? It is unclear in the article.  Thanks Donama 01:24, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. The most important match to be decided by a coin toss was in a semi-final of the European championships in 1968, Italy beat the Soviet Union to proceed through to the final which they went on to win 1968_European_Football_Championship#Semi-finals. As for penalty shootouts, if there is a tie after the five attempts by both teams it goes to sudden death. i.e. it continues until one side misses and the other scores. Jooler 02:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Jooler is correct regarding penalty shootouts. As there is already an article devoted to the details of a shootout there is no need to duplicate that info here. Cheers, --Daveb 08:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tie-breaking 

message: There is currently a vote on to move Football World Cup to FIFA World Cup. see talk:Football World Cup Jooler 11:19, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move vote in progress

message: i havent seen anything on the popularity of soccer. It is the most played sport in the world.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.49.208.141 (talk • contribs) 28 January 2006.
It actually says in the main article - it is therefore often claimed to be the most popular sport in the world.
I know wikipedia is meant to take a npov, but it sometimes goes too far. Football just is the most popular sport in the world.
Kellster71 00:47, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is one of verifiability. Unless someone can cite a reference to prove the claim then we can't really make it. --Daveb 08:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is pretty clear (as someone who is not a Football supporter and does not play) that Football is also the only really global sport in the world. I have to admit that the football world cup is THE World Cup and it is only in the USA that anyone has not noticed. Wikipedia National pastime for example lists it as the most popular sport in far more countries than any other. --BozMotalk 13:42, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
Move vote closed as Strong Oppose. See also previous discussions in the archives, eg here. Rd232 talk 21:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: popularity

message: football (soccer) to soccer. Soccer is a simpler title. Facts&moreFacts 21:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation and sign your vote with ~~~~
*Under no circumstances - Jooler 21:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not discussed above. Facts&moreFacts 21:31, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To quote the section above. "You are correct in your assumption that this has been debated before (at length!)." --Maitch 21:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I suggest you go and read the archives listed at the top of the page. You will soon find the discussions... -- Arwel (talk) 01:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
===Additional comments===
*Strongly Oppose - FOOTBALL is a competitive sport invented in England and is much more popular in England and in other countries where it is also called football. Try for Association Football. I'll put a support vote in for that. Football (Soccer) makes no sense.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.109.186.127 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: *Strongly Oppose - FOOTBALL is a competitive sport invented in England and is much more popular in England and in other countries where it is also called football. Try for Association Football. I'll put a support vote in for that. Football (Soccer) makes no sense.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.109.186.127 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional comments

message: The text now states that the experiments were motivated because the penalty shootout was undesireable. 
Wasn't a part of the motivation that the 2x15 minutes of extra time were often drawn out by defensive play if a team had great confidence in their keeper/penalty takers for the penalty shootout? The instant reward of a golden goal was then seen as an incitement for teams to be more aggressive, to go for the decisive goal (with the back-firing result that teams got even more scared of loosing, and more defensive). Poulsen 10:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golden/silver goals 

message: I've reinserted a shorter phrase on fouls into the "Nature of the game" section. The previous wording was:
:The physical contact between players is restricted: holding, tripping, kicking or excessively pushing opponents is not allowed. Such actions (along with handling the ball) are called fouls and are punishable by a free kick (or a penalty kick if commited in the vicinity of the offender's goal; see below for details).
I agree that this information is found elsewhere, but I thought it's important to include this section in the overview (to emphasize difference from rugby, for example). Also, what is incorrect here? Conscious 18:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: tackling is what it is called when one player attempts to take the ball from another! You are thinking of the American usage of the word which is different Bob Palin 01:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: No, that's sliding tackle. Conscious 04:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Not only that but sliding tackles are perfectly legal under FIFA rules, tackles from behind of any kind are not legal though this seems to be open to wide interpretation. Bob Palin 05:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excuse me, that's what i ment, a slide tackle. Should have been more specific Thizz 21:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Sliding ..." not "slide ..." Jooler 22:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, the article is named slide tackle. :) Conscious 06:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then the article is misnamed - as the external link to the BBC site suggests. Jooler 21:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The physical contact between players