Talk:List of Samurai Champloo characters

message: There's a crapton of speculation on this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.215.224.101 (talk • contribs) .
Much of which is indicated and not passed off as fact, I think. Moreover, the show encourages speculation. --Antrophica 15:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation

message: *Hey, I tried to add in Heike Shige from episode 22.  (IMO he's one of the cooler and more unique villains and deserves a spot in the list.)  I don't have the know-how to put in a picture, though, so if someone could find a portrait of him and put it in there that would be sweet, thanks.
:I'll get to it when I find the time. --Antrophica 03:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's information that has been documented since the first version. I'm not sure Mugen is smiling when he leaves her to suffer, though. If I recall correctly, he was wearing a pretty serious expression. --Antrophica 15:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character information 

message: I have protected this page from editing due to the sterile edit war which appears to have been going on for over a month. Protection is not an endorsement of the current article version. Both participants in the edit war should discuss the dispute and come to a compromise on this talk page. Rhobite 00:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already attempted to discuss this with Siddhartha21 on my talk page, but we failed to come to a compromise. I've omitted the sentence, "likely with the notion that Jin led an alternative lifestyle," because it's unwieldly, states the obvious, and comes across as a tad homophobic. All in all, it's clutter. As I've stated, the only plausible reason one man would attempt to seduce another man, especially in circumstances like that (the incident took place in a hot spring), is if he was under the impression that the other man was gay. Inuyaka's motives were clear enough that the sentence, "likely with the notion that Jin led an alternative lifestyle," is unnnecessary, as is this whole dispute. I hope we can get past this, so the article's protection can be removed, so we can get about adding something constructive to it instead of continuing to beat a dead horse. --Antrophica 03:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Glad you're both here. I'm not familiar with the series, but I'm wondering why this phrase is necessary. Isn't it kind of implied that when one man tries to seduce another man, he thinks the man is gay? Rhobite 04:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I've been puzzled myself as to why Siddhartha21 has been so aggressively opposed to my removing of his edit that he would persist in reinserting it time and time again despite my best efforts at making my reasons clear to him. The simple fact of the matter is that Inuyaka tried to seduce Jin because he was interested in Jin. He was trying to pick Jin up. It couldn't have been more obvious, unless he wrapped his arms around Jin and began nibbling at the edges of the earlobe. There was no manipulation involved because he was paid to assassinate Jin, not glean information. He was trying to get into Jin's pants (or kimono) before doing the job. There is nothing bizzare or complex to it. It's just that simple. I understand Jin's sexuality is a controversial topic, but the show only throws suggestions out and never makes it clear, whether Jin is heterosexual or bisexual (he's clearly not simply homosexual as we've seen). The sentence, "likely with the notion that Jin led an alternative lifestyle," suggests that Inuyaka is completely wrong about Jin and that Jin is not attracted to men, which has yet to be proven. Do you understand where I'm coming from? It's almost like we're documenting incorrect information. I'm also concerned, as I've stated before, about you labelling homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle, especially in this day and age. Additionally, you ought to sign in before making an edit, in future. Your IP address changes from time to time, and it's tricky to tell who you are. You can sign your posts by typing ~~~~ at the end of them. As for the compromise, the sentence, "likely with the notion that Jin led an alternative lifestyle," has to be replaced with something more constructive, or go altogether. I hope we can finally put this dispute to rest. --Antrophica 15:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The first half of your argument is a paraphrase of my argument against you, which leads me to question your ability at coherent comprehension. And then you go on and bring up an actually rational and intelligible point, which leaves me to wonder if you're sharing a body with anyone else. First things first. I stand by my original Unwavering, Unpersonal, Unparanoid, Unsubjective Stance™ that the sentence, "likely with the notion that Jin led an alternative lifestyle," (which I know by heart now and could probably reiterate if my brain were damaged) is feckless and suggests that Jin has no homosexual tendencies at all. It's misleading and possibly false, which goes against Wikipedia's mission statement. We'll need to document Inuyaka's "manipulation game", yes, but removing misinformation has priority over inserting new information. There. I pray this doesn't drag on any farther, because since the debate on my talk page, all we've been doing is repeating ourselves in alternative ways. --Antrophica 03:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I would strike the clause as original research.  There's no way to tell why Inuyaka hit on Jin, other than speculating on the facts, so let's report the facts and let people speculate for themselves.  My personal guess is that Inuyaka knew enough about Jin to think that his ploy at least had a shot, but it's also possible that Inuyaka just wanted Jin to think that he had lured him to the hot tub for sex just to throw Jin off guard (remember that Inuyaka's whole deal was deceiving people into underestimating him - depending on Edo-era attitudes, acting gay might be just be another part of his 'act old and cowardly' strategy.  There's no way to tell whether Inuyaka thought Jin would go for it, so I say don't speculate. TheronJ 22:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Siddhartha21, if you look past my sense of humor you'll see that I've laid down my points (assuming you don't ignore them) on why your Alternative Lifestyle Contribution is unnecessary and poorly worded, and that everybody else who's participated in this dispute has pretty much agreed with me. As I said, this is not about winning or losing; it's about making Wikipedia a better encyclopedia. I'm glad you've finally come to your senses and refrained from reinserting your unnecessary and poorly worded contribution. I hope you'll go on to become a productive member of this community, because your milestone seems to be fighting for the existence of half of a sentence that eventually got deleted anyway. --Antrophica 15:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: As long as we're on the subject, what's up with the note that Yukimaru might have been Jin's lover from years ago?  There is absolutely nothing to support this in the episodes IIRC--Jin is no more likely to be a bisexual (we KNOW he's not gay) than any other character in the series.  This is a case where the absence of evidence must qualify as evidence of absence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Piedmon Sama (talk • contribs) 
:The evidence to support this bit of speculation already exists in this article. --Antrophica 03:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nothing in the shudo article says that people in shudo relationships refered to their partners as brothers or little brothers.  Maybe that should be added to the shudo article to make the support more clear.TheronJ 22:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: And here I was thinking you were just a homophobe, Siddhartha21. You're obviously on your way to becoming a productive member of society. Good on you. --Antrophica 05:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yukimaru 

message: FWIW, Mugen's fighting style does resemble capoeria, but Shinichiro Watanabe based it on breakdancing rather than any existing martial art.TheronJ 22:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thus his use of Shoryuu's technique, Hakkei. Don't worry about complete specifics, it resembles capoeria, so it was described as such. -- Makaio 02:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mugen's fighting style 

message: This article really needs a picture of Heike Shige. If anyone could make it their own personal mission in life to find a picture that wikipedia can use, it would be greatly appreciated by many. -- Makaio 
:I'll get to capturing a screenshot eventually. It's really not that important, man. --Antrophica 15:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There. You can rest easy now. --Antrophica 06:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I was so worried! -- Makaio 23:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome! Been waiting for that. --Piedmon Sama
Next we're going to need portrait shots of the characters from Episode 18, which I would've taken long ago if I had access to the episode. Please, no copyrighted screens. --Antrophica 22:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I could send you the episode, you got a myspace? -- Makaio 01:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. I don't feel like downloading an entire episode for the sake of a few screenshots, anyhow. You ought to do it. You can take a screenshot in WMP by hitting CTRL-I. --Antrophica 06:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, damn, learn something new everyday. -- Makaio 20:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice work. --Antrophica 23:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character shots 

message: Does he really have a claymore during the final episode? I didn't pay attention, but I thought it was just what was left of his sword stuffed into a makeshift scabbard. -- Makaio 05:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely a claymore. I got a good look. --Antrophica 13:52, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Fixed. Haven't played the game; I thought the claymore was supposed to be the Typhoon Swell. --Antrophica 11:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mugen's Claymore 

message: Did'nt he say, in the episode where he and Jin look at Fuu's diary, say he can't read? The Republican 02:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's illiterate until he meets Bundai. --Antrophica 11:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mugen' Illiteracy 

message: I can't tell for certain, but I don't think Kagemaru actually died. It didn't look like he was impaled through any vitals and his comment "I have no regrets." mirrored Jin's comment when he was taken out of the game (and we know Jin survived). I think like Jin and Detective Manzou he was simply incapacitated.--AFink 18:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True. Everyone's apparent deaths in the episode ought to be listed as unclear, given the circumstances surrounding it. --Antrophica 18:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kagemaru truly dead? 

message: Who said Shige's look is a reference to the Beatles?  He's done up to look like a Western style rock artist, yes, but the look is hardly specific to the Fab Four.
:No idea on that one, either. Unless a credible explanation is given, it'll be taken out. --Antrophica 22:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatles? 

message: This part on the description of the Sunflower Samurai seems a bit misleading:
'Kariya Kagetoki arrives just after Fuu’s tearful reconciliation with her father, and kills him right in front of her.'
After watching that particular episode I was under the impression that Fuu and her father never made up in any way, or even received any sort of closure for that matter.  In fact Fuu was enraged that she couldn't say everything she wanted to say to him because he was so sick.  What do you guys think?
:I think there was closure, since Seizou told Fuu that he loved her no matter when she was about to leave and she turned back tearfully and was about to go back to him when Kariya showed up. --Antrophica 13:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reconciliation? 

message: In case nobody noticed, (I didn't) the size of the article is around 75 kb's... So I think we're going to have to start thinking up some ways to start cutting down the article soon... maybe down to 50 kb or something. -- Makaio 23:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size 

message: Is it canon that the surname Fuu goes by is Kasumi, or is that just fanon assumption after we learn her father's full name?
You guys are taking this WAY too seriously.  Have you considered that, perhaps, just maybe, every little point of minutiae isn't necessary?  I mean, this page will ruin the show for pretty much anyone that might want to watch it.  I know, I know, you put the little "spoiler warning" in front of the characters description, but come on.  Consider putting a page with some brief info on the characters that DOESN'T tell their "Final Status".  
Let the page be, at least part of it, for someone who HASN'T seen the show.  Why ruin it for someone who hasn't seen every episode with something as important to the story as whether a character is alive.  Go look at the Cowboy Bebop page for an idea of how to do this.  It doesn't list spike as dead or alive, but gives some information that doesn't completely spoil the series.
Not everyone is a fanboy.
Twaletta-November 15, 2006
:FYI - Her name is Seizou Fuu/Fuu Seizou, depending on how you write it out.  Kasumi is the Sunflower Samurai's given name, and Seizou is his last name/surname. DestradoZero 10:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuu's surname? 

message: Okay, I just read the paragraph and that is completely biased and one sided. If anything, the throughout the series, it was hinted she has feelings for Jin, not Mugen. 70.145.110.92 21:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuu's Feelings for Mugen 

message: Fuu kept saying "Mugen is...", but I don't see anything mentioned here about that nor what it was referring to. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mugen is..."? 

message: The question speaks for itself.
EricSpokane 11:12, 4 October 2007
*I was just wondering that myself... 
I won't write it, because I'm not yet fully through the anime. But I'm curious about why it's gone.
EDIT: I just checked the history. Mugen's bio was being constantly vandalised, for some reason. Then, 70.21.173.11 removed it, and no-one put it back in.
- KBKarma. 13:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was Mugen's character bio erased? 

message: I thought the very final swordfight between jin and mugen, was representative of them accepting each other, because they struck each others blades in a way causing them to break? Makes a lot more sense considering the shows vast symbolism than just "leaving the result inconclusive"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.219.186 (talk) 19:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending 

message: Either that, or be consistent and put every single thing said by every character in the quotes list. Who decided which 1-3 sentences spoken by each character were worthy enough to put on this page? And why are the quotes in English? Can we fix that, at least, and put the original scripted quotes, in Japanese, in? --69.112.198.78 (talk) 07:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we get rid of "quotes"? 

message: I'm getting rid of that paragraph in the character section, it doesn't make any sense.  Seriously I'd say that his comment are just an extension of his tendency to make rude comments, not any particular distaste for the people themselves.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.160.166 (talk) 11:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homophobic 

message: How bout a fucking spoiler warning plz? Just ruined some shit for me
:How about getting a username and signing your posts?  Anyway, Wikipedia doesn't have spoiler warnings.  See: WP:SPOILER. --Kraftlos (talk) 10:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Only when one has completely exhausted all enjoyment of something without Wikipedia should one read the article on that topic... 59.167.126.21 (talk) 00:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler 

message: I think that this whole matter of whether Musashi was involved can be solved if one takes a look at episode 23. If Alexander Cartwright was indeed "Joey Cartwright," then the series could not have taken place in the 1600s. It would have had to take place in the 1800s, at least around 1847 or so in order for the age of Cartwright to fit his depiction in the series along with the spread of baseball being as prevalent as it was.
The Shimabara rebellion would have fit better if the characters had met Amakusa Shiro not long after their encounter with Xavier III. Though the age of Xavier III would fit with the series being set in the 1630's or 40's, we must be reminded that Xavier III was a fraud and could have just assumed the identity without any research.
I hold that we should change the Musashi "Johnny" section of the Characters to have either a corrected date or no date at all. 
AxelSilver (talk) 05:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time Period Speculation 

message: this article looks really bad. like REALLY bad. first off, you dont list a seperate voicecast when it comes to a series. you simply state it after the seiyu.  also look how many characters there are. Half of these werent even recurring  characters. only list recurring characters and main characters, or any character important to the story plot.DeathBerry talk 17:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ok 

message: I thought Mugen's sword looked a lot like a thin Miao dao, any thoughts? --Climax Void ☭.
:I thought it looked more like kogarasu maru. -- User:ElbowLick  —Preceding undated comment added 10:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mugen's Sword 

message: This page used to have some great images next to everyone's picture. It helped show the visual flair the series has. Why were they removed??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.250.170 (talk) 09:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Most likely because of copyright issues, or WP:GALLERY. Srobak (talk) 13:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Other shows have these. How do we get them on this article again?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.250.170 (talk) 05:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Images 

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