Talk:Winston's Hiccup

message: "Actually Churchill carefully drew the zigzag to make sure that the huge Wadi Sirhan – one of the age-old Incense Routes[3] and still a vital communications highway between Damascus and the Arabian interior – ended up outside the new emirate."
How could the zigzag keep any route to Damascus from passing through Jordan? Could this be clarified? Bitbut (talk) 05:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wadi Sirhan

message: All semantics aside,
there is some serious copyright infringement at work, either in this Wikipedia article, or in the _Rough Guide to Jordan_.  As such, this page should be cleaned up to meet Wiki principles.
See the infringement, word for word, in this preview:
http://bit.ly/bZvso6
http://books.google.com/books?id=tI9L9gepYAUC&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=%22winston%27s+hiccup%22&source=web&ots=lnSc2vfOZ-&sig=-eBShUqRxDbQW1DzwgQn4_vVFLg#v=onepage&q=%22winston%27s%20hiccup%22&f=false
:The contributor who noted the problem above raised it at the copyright problems talk page. Unfortunately, content entered here closely paraphrased and duplicated material from the Rough Guide. While a contributor attempted to address the copyright concerns here, the content was not rewritten, which created a derivative work--particularly a problem since some of the source material remains. While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation - including both structure and language - are. So that it will not constitute a derivative work, this article should be rewritten in the temporary space that is now linked from the article's front. The essay Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing contains some suggestions for rewriting that may help avoid these issues. The article Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches, while about plagiarism rather than copyright concerns, also contains some suggestions for reusing material from sources that may be helpful, beginning under "Avoiding plagiarism". --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious Copyright Infringement 

message: Is it the huge zigzag in Jordan's south-east, as stated in the lead paragraph, or the huge triangle in Jordan's north-east, as appears to indicate the map's caption? --Againme (talk) 17:00, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear 

message: If it was real, then what year did it occur? THe article should say when and where. Hugo999 (talk) 06:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What year/date 

message: Until the adjustments in the 1960s it wasn't a sharp point.  There was a short north-south segment about 10km long on the 37th meridian. Zerotalk 10:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  shape 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Of course the story about Churchill being drunk or whatever is nonsense, but what I want to question is more basic.  What evidence is there that this boundary existed at all before the Hadda agreement of 1925?  The NYT opinion piece is not reliable.  The Diener-Hagen book misquotes Churchill: their own source does not have Churchill saying that he created the borders of Transjordan with a stroke of his pen, but only "I created Transjordan with a stroke of a pen on a Sunday afternoon in Cairo".  Travel guides prefer good stories to accurate history. The IBS document has nothing from before 1925.  Sometimes borders exist unofficially before they exist officially, but is there any evidence that this is an example?  If it actually dates from 1925, the next question would be whether Churchill had anything to do with it at all. Zerotalk 13:17, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hadda agreement looks like a response to the Ikhwan raids on Transjordan.. "appointed Sir Gilbert Clayton as their Commissioner and Plenipotentiary, to conclude an agreement for this purpose" . "In the middle of the 1920s, Britain began a series of negotiations with the Arabian Sultanates to settle the southern limits of both the Trans-Jordan and the Syrian mandates. The eastern and central sectors were agreed upon in 1925 with the disputed Kaf region being assigned to the Nejd" . So borders were first ratified in 1925, by Gilbert Clayton. Doesn't look like Churchill had anything to do with this at all. A google search doesn't show much coverage of the topic, and of the reliable sources that do, even travel ones, say that it was strategically defined. I.e. like every other border of Transjordan, why should this have a wiki page.  Makeandtoss (talk) 15:04, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  This paper on the Transjordan-Saudi boundary has the details.  In 1922 there was no boundary, and the tentative line drawn by British bureaucrats did not have the kink that this article is about. The shape decided in 1925 was negotiated over 1923–1925.  Churchill is not mentioned as being involved in the negotiations. I think we should nominate this article for deletion. Zerotalk 06:20, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I am surprised it has been unchallenged for so long. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have created an Arabic Wikipedia article for this topic just two days ago, please follow this discussion.. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:24, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The odd shape of this part of the border exists. The urban legend is also widely reported. Therefore the article should not be deleted on the sole grounds that an urban legend has given rise to the common nickname of a geographical fact. If you wish to pursue this further, please take it to WP:AFD. – Fayenatic London 15:34, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Widely reported in travel guides and blogs..  Makeandtoss (talk) 18:46, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The veracity of this article 

message: Inauthentic story first of all. Second, notability not demonstrated. Mentioned by two or three travel guides? Doesn't live up to minimum requirements, specifically when its a hoax.Makeandtoss (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: How does this work? Makeandtoss (talk) 20:33, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you want it deleted you should take it to WP:AFD as its not eligible for a WP:PROD because it has already been prodded and deprodded.I don't have a view on the article, it was a procedural deprod because it had already been prodded and deprodded and only one prod is allowed in the lifetime of an article. If you want help setting up the AFD you can make a request on the WP:AFD talk page for someone to set it up, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 21:43, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete