Talk:Vincent Motorcycles

message: A rewrite of that material plus more. I hope it will be accepted. Seasalt 13:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewritten, added to, etc

message: As part of Wikproject Motorcycling I am working though all the missing articles and stubs for British Bikes.  I've just started an article for Vincent Rapide and referred to it as main in this article - but haven't removed any duplicated text as I'd appreciate views on how to deal with it.  To make things easier to sort out I have also created a category for British Motorcycles.  Please will you add to any British motorcycle pages you find or create. I've also linked it to the Commons British Motorcycles so you could help with matching pics to articles or adding the missing images to the Commons - take your camera next time you go to a rally!  Thanks Tony (talk) 12:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just moved and rewrote the section on Vincent Black Lightning as a new article. Thruxton (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate articles for Vincent Models 

message: The trademarks for Vincent are now owned by David Holder (Coventry, UK) - velocette.motorcycle@virgin.net  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.39.62 (talk) 16:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ownership 

message: Were any of these specials attributed to Mike Hailwood's son actually produced and sold (apart from a press hack)? I skimmed-throught the late Kevin Ash' overlengthy, unencyclopedic waffle on the Telegraph site and gave up half way down.
Would someone knowledgeable "be bold" and correctly re-write this confusing section relating to several years ago? 62.253.80.3 (talk) 21:16, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subsequent developments section 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Much of the original text in this subheading seemed to have been cribbed almost verbatim from Grace's Guide (https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Vincent-HRD). I have moved and expanded the text on the Picador to its own subheading, but some of the other text could be reworded.
Kumboloi (talk) 19:54, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably a more-likely way of describing it would be:Much of the original text in this subheading seemed to have been cribbed almost verbatim to</U> Grace's Guide, a crowd-sourced website with scant-acknowledgement to Wikipedia as one of its content-providers, after it was originally uploaded to WP in this revision, October 2006. Grace's guide can be very good, particularly for period advertisements, exact name-formats, addresses and similar, but circumspection is needed when choosing to use it to verify WP content due to WP:CIRCULAR.I have now had the opportunity to skim-through your worklist which shows almost-exclusively cars. Remember, anything you write here can quickly be imported to any website, without accreditation, and they do not provide the history to establish the dates of additions.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:53, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

text: This is from where Vincents obtained their paints: Pinchin and Johnson (at Grace's guide) also at Pinchin Johnson & Associates. Put it up whilst I have the 1980 magazine near me.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:59, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Post motorcycle manufacturing" subheading. 

message: This is basically copied from what I wrote at Talk:Vincent Black Lightning#Rollei Free section World Record - Shadow or Lightning?:As I stated in this edit summary, Vintagent has previously stated that he believes it was not a Lightning that was ridden in the 150mph-record. I've checked in the house and Vincent book author Roy Harper wrote in a 1980 UK magazine that it was a Shadow.The original upload (permalink) to the Vincent Black Lightning article was written as Lightning; the first accompanying source (deadlinked, Hall of Fame) states Shadow (archived) and the second (deadlinked, Motorcycle Daily, of uncertain ownership and origins but with a 1999 copyright notice - archived) shows an undated, poor-resolution advert or poster that could be later than the actual record. IMO, it's likely that the originating WP editor and web-site writer both chose to assume it was a Lightning due to this image content.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:53, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rollei Free record in section [[Vincent Motorcycles#1948 Series C Vincents|1948 Series C Vincents]] 

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message: Hi Rocknrollmancer. The reason that I removed the picture of the Rapide from the Infoxbox was that this article is about the company, not one of their products, and the Infobox should contain information specific to the company itself. I let the image of the Vincent script remain because that was the company's insignia, and did not remove any of the pictures of models from the main text body because they were associated with the history of some of the company's products. I have no objection to that image's use in the article, just not in that location. Kumboloi (talk) 14:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a valid rationale here except for your own preferences which is subjective, and you didn't include an edit summary for the deletion, which is courtesy where prior vandalism is not involved (it's also a Shadow image, not a Rapide). If you look at the change I made over three years ago with the edit-summary replaced duplicated racer img in lede position with better example you can see that the earlier revision had two thumbs of the same Lightning - very non-representative of 'Vincent Motorcycles', as it was a bespoke racer produced in very small numbers. Vincents are really only known for the V-twin from 1936 until 1955 which was always recognisably similar, and half-a-twin which was not really as desirable then or now.It's a very nice image, good composition and lighting, and was placed adjacent to original prose from the first upload in 2005 that was later tweaked to read "1948" and "C series". It shows a C Black Shadow, and also keys-in with the tank legend.As editors it's incumbent on us to provide a snapshot in the lede of both what is representative of the marque to a non-experienced reader, together with a summary of what is to follow.It's common practice to provide a lead image in articles where possible, whether there is an infobox or not, and not unknown to include a representative image of the marque. These are a few, with Norton showing extensive product variations followed by manufacturers offering few variations similar to the Vincent product, although I can see there are plenty of manufacturers without lead images:
*Norton Motorcycle Company
*Brough Superior
*Hesketh Motorcycles
*Healey 1000/4
*Sunbeam Cycles
*Montgomery Motorcycles
*Rickman MotorcyclesMaybe other long-established editors will come in here to explain just how wrong I am. I will ping-in  who added the image to Norton Motorcycle Company for an opinion. Thanks.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, an image of a Vincent motorcycle in the infobox for the "Vincent Motorcycles" article is entirely appropriate. Omnedon (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I apologize for not leaving an edit summary Rocknrollmancer. The truth is that I thought I was working on a sandbox article at the time, not the production one. Kumboloi (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Rapide picture from Infobox

message: The above is from the article's second sentence. In American English it's very confusing; does it mean something clear in British English?
My guess at the meaning is "producing his own motorcycles, continuing to install engines purchased from other companies"; this isn't well-written, but is it correct? -- Dan Griscom (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: To me it makes sense. As previously (with the HRD business per se) they both used bought-in engines. What else could "bought-in  mean"? A notable instance of this was George Brough, who used whatever engines he could purchase - JAP and Matchless for Brough Superior. Subtle difference between bike-manufacturer and bike-assembler. No reason that you couldn't change it, though. My life for the past two years has been trawling through diffs, but no time presently to check as it's getting dark (9.19 noticeably changing now from 21 June longest) and I must grille my fish outside .--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 20:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

text: I've changed and slightly expanded the lede - hope that's more clear.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "..producing his own motorcycles as previously with bought-in engines"?