Talk:Hypostasis (philosophy and religion)

message: I just looked at the article for Zurvanism, which said that Zurvanites saw the deity Zurvan as the "hypostasis" of Time. That word "hypostasis" in the Zurvanism article linked to the article called hypostasis (linguistics). But it seemed more appropriate to me that the word should link to the article called hypostasis (religion) (considering that Zurvanism is a religion). I edited the Zurvanism article accordingly. But then I checked out this hypostasis (religion) article and found that it discussed the term only in connection with Christianity, while the hypostasis (linguistics) article was much more relevant to the Zurvanism article. But that seems confusing and inappropriate.
Does anyone know why the hypostasis (linguistics) article isn't called hypostasis (religion), and why the hypostasis (religion) article isn't called hypostasis (Christianity)? I realize that the hypostasis (linguistics) article discusses the purely linguistic use of the term "hypostasis" (for instance, when we say, "No ifs, ands, or buts"). But it also discusses the "deification" or substantialization of concepts in religions such as Zurvanism: and that is not a purely linguistic figure of speech; to religious believers — for instance, the now-extinct Zurvanites — "hypostases" like Zurvan are substantial realities. --Phatius McBluff 07:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, of course. Will move. History2007 (talk) 10:07, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Religion" or "Christianity"?

message: This article makes a mention of the hypostatic union teaching two realities (by this I'm assuming they mean hypostases) in one person. This is completely contrary to what either the Non-Chacledonians or even the Chalcedonians teach. If you even look at the Greek of the Chalcedonian Creed it proclaims "mian hypostasin", which means one united hypostasis. The hypostatic union, yes, teaches two distinct essences (humanity and divinity), but it does not teach two distinct hypostases. Deusveritasest (talk) 21:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hypostatic Union

message: The orthodox churches appear to have a different theology of hypostasis, it is a bit peculiar but it could be included out of simple pluralism. ADM (talk) 06:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Eastern Orthodox

message: Would a reference to Avatar in 'see also' section be appropriate? Seems like basically same concept.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.132.0.192 (talk) 18:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  reference to 'avatar'? 

message: I've tried to clean the introduction up a bit, from what was probably a messy adventure through the various arguments about the meaning of the word 'Hypostasis'. From reading this article it seems that the word means the existence of an object, and has similarities in, like... Phenomenology (philosophy)#Noesis and Noema and also Prakṛti and so on. In Phenomenology, noesis is used to refer to the idea of an object, which is related with the object itself - the noema and the noesis, respectively. I think another phrase that indicates this same idea is existence and essence, which is found in the work of Sartre, amongst others.
My central aim was the get rid of the introducing statement that the word, "has a complicated and sometimes confusing history," which I moved to later, after the definition of the word, first.
I also tried to summarize the purport of the article.
There was a literal translation of the word, which is so often not very helpful in today's world, with its language. The literal meaning came from the following link, which I've put here in case anybody needs it at another point in time: Liddell and Scott's Greek Lexicon http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry=%23109195.  makeswell (talk) 03:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  change to lede to reflect the contents of article, and to define the word in a non-literal way, consistent with the article... 

message: I think the section under nontrinitarian is quite off topic and unnecesary. And also "Trinitarians defend their view of multiple hypostases in the single God by the biblical passages... which explicitly state it", I see no mention of this, Matt. 28:19 (and others) mention "3" but fall short of the above Enedra (talk) 02:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: delete 'nontrinitarian'

message: The 2nd sentence has no meaning. A hypostasis is one of the hypostases.
@unsigned poster, Second sentence of lead looks like this at the moment, and reads fine to me: 
:In Christian theology, a hypostasis is one of the three hypostases (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) of the Trinity. 
Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) (talk) 03:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: - hypostasis is singular; hypostases is plural - it's from Greek - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 01:19, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heh ?? 

message: There is a paragraph that reads:
"Hypostasis is the individual aspect of ousia, this means ousia is the parent characteristic that is shared by the hypostasis under it. Ousia can be shared by numerous hypostases, as hypostasis is the individual expression of that ousia just how ego is an expression of the underlying soul. In this case it's clear to see that the ego and the soul are seemingly different as well as the same thing for the ego is not without the soul, they can however coexist. Ousia is the nature of that existence and all things that exist have ousia, as it's the nature of that existence in the way that it exists. Ousia is what makes a rock a rock and hypostasis is the various kinds of rocks; ousia is the form as well as nature of particles that construct an entity in the case of physical phenomena. On the other hand for spiritual phenomena it's the level of presence & creative force that differentiates one ousia from another. Like it has been said earlier this nature of existence(ousia) maybe shared by various hypostasis or instances of ousia."
I am not sure what this is. This sounds like Basil of Caesarea's explanation. However, for Athanasius, hypostasis and ousia were synonyms. Can somebody add some context? AndriesvN (talk) 15:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hypostasis is the individual aspect of ousia