Talk:Mírzá Muhammad ʻAlí

message: I removed:
: The translation of this term is disputed.
Unless it is disputed by a notable source this shouldn't be mentioned. Although I'm sure he would disagree, Wjhonson is not a notable source. The translation was discussed in great detail on Talk:Bahá'u'lláh's family. Cuñado  - Talk 21:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know very well it's disputed.  I have posted the disputes.  Whether you think it's "resolved" or not, does not affect the issue of whether it's disputed. Wjhonson 23:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I fixed the citation, you had the notes mixed around. Wjhonson 23:34, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I did the research and found that Wjhonson is wrong. Maulana Muhammad Ali translates it as "Most Great", not most mighty on p. 56 of his "History and Doctrines". So much for that. MARussellPESE 13:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll accept "Most Great" since it is a synonym for "Greatest".  The main point being that, in English, the two titles have no significant difference. Wjhonson 07:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed translation 

message: The article currently says "At the time of `Abdu'l-Bahá's death, Shoghi Effendi was appointed as the Guardian of the Faith, ...".  May I request that someone clarify this to indicate who did the appointing and how this appointment occurred?  —Wookipedian 03:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: done. -- Jeff3000 07:40, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who did the appointing? 

message: My first was a question having to do with using pronouns in conjunction with various individuals mentioned in this article. I went back and checked the articles for Baha'u'llah and Jesus (for comparison to this one), and in neither one was there a consistent use of a capital letter of the pronoun form of either of their names (as in He, Him, His, Their, etc., when referring to Baha'u'llah or Jesus). It does not appear that this is something that is done in these kinds of Wikipedia articles (which is understandable, of course, and keeps articles more neutral, I feel), but I just wanted to check to verify that such was indeed the case. The reason I bring this up is because it has the ability to affect certain of the sentences I discuss below. 
Okay. Number two. "He was born from his father's second wife, Fatimih Khanum, whom he married in Tehran in 1849, and she was later known as Mahd-i-'Ulya." Do you think the wording of this is lexically ambiguous as to who did the marrying?
Three. "In The Kitáb-i-‘Ahd (The Book of the Covenant), he appointed `Abdu'l-Bahá as his successor[3], with Muhammad `Ali subordinate to `Abdu'l-Bahá, explicitly noting both by their titles." Should "he" be changed to "Baha'u'llah", for clarity? 
Four. "The division caused by Muhammad `Alí was short lived." I changed this to "short-lived" (adding the hyphen) -- I believe this is more grammatically correct. Please corerct me if I am wrong. 
I am sorry if these are the kinds of edits that I should just do without asking -- I am new to Wikipedia, and I wanted to ask before I just started changing things. Should I continue to do that, or should I just edit and see if any problems come up (for more minor edits, such as this, or short additions -- as in, nothing that is a major change to the article)? Thanks so much!
—Comments by  Twilightsojourn
:Regarding the pronoun capitalization question, I suggest lowercase, since Wikipedia is supposed to use a neutral point of view and therefore I would think should not appear to confer special status to any particular person/entity. (Of course, things inside of quotes, when the quote was from text written originally in English, should not be tinkered with.)
:On number two, I think you're right.
:On number three, it sounds like a good idea.
:On number four, this not only sounds like a good idea but it sounds way below the threshold of something that might need to be discussed before being changes.
:—Wookipedian 04:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the suggestions.  I think I've made most of them, but please go ahead and change such things without the need to ask on the talk page (Wookipedia is right).  As to the capitalization issue, the pronouns are not capitilized except when referring to God (not gods).  See Talk:Bahá'í Faith/archive2 for more information. -- Jeff3000 05:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor edit questions 

message: Maulana Muhammad Ali's book is not an appropriate source. WP:V requires reliable sources from reliable publishers. Inclusion fails both criteria:
#Maulana Muhammad Ali is an Ahmadi apologist rendering him an unreliable source.
#The book is published, in the U.S. by an Ahmadi publishing house: Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha'at Islam Lahore, Inc., effectively making it self-published.
The only wiggle room for self-published authors is in ¶2 of WP:SELFPUB which allows for inclusion if their "work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications". No other third-party uses him or his book as a reference. MARussellPESE (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maulana Muhammad Ali as a Source 

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