Talk:2005 United States Grand Prix/Archive 1

message: Why remove the word "farce" from the intro?
Let's look at a few headlines:
*BBC: Schumacher claims farcical US win
*ITV: SCHUMACHER TAKES JOYLESS VICTORY IN INDY FARCE
*CNN: USA Grand Prix descends into farce
*Motorsport.com: Formula for disaster "The United States Grand Prix became a farce this afternoon,..."
*F1.racing-live.com: Schumacher wins six-car Indy farce
*PlanetF1.com: U.S GP Race Report: Schumi Wins Indy Farce
*sportinglife.com: cgi?STORY_NAME=others/05/06/19/AUTO_United_States_Fans.html FANS' FURY OVER FARCICAL GP
*Autosport-Atlas (subscription): Schumacher Wins Farcical US GP
*Sportal.com.au: Schumacher wins US GP farce
I think there's a hint of consensus there - SoM 21:56, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because leaving 'farce' in would violate Wikipedia's NPOV rules. CanSpice 20:20, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Why remove "Farce"

message: Uh, the latest edit is just a liiiittle bit pov:
"The demand for a new chicane be installed in Turn 13 was not really a feasible option because the fault was clearly the tyre companies and not the circuits. This was not the only option in their hand. They could have changed their tyres at the start and faced a penalty or adviced their teams to slow down at turn 13 or changed tyres every 10 laps. The fact that they tried to bully their way out of their mistake by making unreasonable demands lead to a power struggle betweeen the governing body FIA and the teams. It was more like a planned boycott of rules to prove a point."
"One wonders whether what Mr.Stoddart said is really true though given the fact that Minardi's only chance of scoring points,if at all any, this season and thereby getting the premium hotel and accomodation benefits that the formula 1 management provided for teams scoring points during a season, would have been lost if they had not got those crucial points in the race. Moreover,blaming ferrari for what essentially is a huge mistake on part or Michelin is nothing but a cheap attempt at covering the real issue that lead to the farce of a race."
AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 07:26, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest edit

message: I have removed this line from the second paragraph of the pre-race controversy section, for want of a source:
:(tyre suppliers almost never bring a extra set of inferior dry tyres to a Grand Prix)
... as well as this line:
:In any event, the replacement tyres flown in by Michelin (which were of the type used in the Spanish Grand Prix), when actually tested at the Indianapolis track, turned out to have the same problem, meaning a switch to them (with or without penalty) would not have solved the issue. 
— Dan | Talk 15:47, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
: The latter is now sourced. While we're at it, how is a switch to them - with or without penalties which would have applied to a last-minute change of tyres, for those using them - would not have solved the issue non-neutral? There was an issue where Michelin tried to get the penalties for a tire switch lifted, but it became a moot point when the new tires had the same problem. OK, so maybe the removing wording wasn't as poetic as one might like, but that's all it said - a blank statement of fact - the new tires wouldn't have fixed the problem. Noel (talk) 18:45, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced information 

message: I've only skimmed through the article, but it struck me that two issues are missing from it:
* The (potentially dangerous) reaction of the spectators.
* The recent re-surfacing of the Indy circuit which apparently had an affect on the tyres.
--Mal 12:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, add them if you can find a source. Also with point 2 IIRC since the resurfacing, Bridgestone had run there in an Indy race and found problems with their tyres and subsequently were able to alter their F1 ones to be safe for the race. There was a slight murmur that B'stone should have perhaps passed the imformation about the tyre failures to Michelin for safety issues. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 13:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra info 

message: This is a US race, so it should be spelled "tire".
: F1 is an international organisation.  Few US people are particularly involved in it. --Mal 08:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then standard international English should be used. Digismack 00:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyre? 

message: This nomination is on hold for 7 days for these reasons: stubby sentences, references need proper formatting--clean up all the external jumps and refs go at the end of a sentence, not in the middle. The long quote needs to go to wikisource and be summarized into prose. Rlevse 21:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA status

message: I'll stick this here for now - what does it really tell us about the race anyway> 4u1e 07:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text of interview removed from article