Talk:Wii/Archive 23

message: Really, the reliability of these two sites is better than you people think. Yes, it is a guess, but no, they shouldn't be ridiculed. They are just made from an educated guess using existing numbers and updates. --NapalmRiot 20:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that they shouldn't be ridiculed (who has ridiculed them?), but that doesn't mean their numbers can be used in the article. Leebo86 20:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not reliable (especially NexGenWars) since they just take the total amount and divide it up to the average per second/minute. VGCharts is also wrong on past date (they have some games listed way lower than their actual amount and others way higher). TJ Spyke 21:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliability of VG Charts and NexGenWars 

message: The Wii currently stands at 1.8 million units sold in America.
http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/12312006/22/nintendo_wii_sales_near_2_million —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/11Ryan (talk) 12:18, 1 January 2007 (GMT).
:The CNBC report is based on an analyst's estimates, nothing official.  Dionyseus 21:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The estimate was also for all of North America, not just the United States. It doesn't matter though since it's just his estimates about how well the three systems are doing. TJ Spyke 21:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What really surprises me about that article is the last paragraph. It says "Xbox 360, [...] took full advantage of the lack of units available for its competitors ...". I don't get that. There really are people that go to buy a Wii and when they can't get it immediately they say "Ah well, I could just as well get an Xbox, because that's available" ?? Duh?? Mausy5043 14:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some people might be like that, but I doubt most people who want to buy one system would buy another one just because the system they do want is sold out. TJ Spyke 20:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales figures for America 

message: Add http://wiigo.co.uk
It is Wii Browser Homepage Project.
Eimme 20:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link additions 

message: According to Gamedaily, NPD informed them that several sites are wrongly crediting the sales figures from the CNBC report to NPD, and furthermore the actual NPD report will be released on January 11.    Dionyseus 13:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CNBC sales figures are wrong 

message: The number of possible controllers is supposed to be 16 wii remotes and 4 Gc controllers, Look in operations manual page 30 for source.
FishBone0 22:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which page 30? The page 30? Unless I'm missing something, neither manual says that, and page 30 has nothing to do with controllers. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I have both with me. The one manual (about the Channels) talks about SD cards. The other (about the system) is about using SD cards and GameCube memory cards. TJ Spyke 22:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It wouldn't be possible since Bluetooth would only allow up to 7 controllers (which is why the PS3 can only have 7 controllers max). TJ Spyke 22:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That just means that the console can "remember" that many remotes, not that they can be used simultaneously. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Just to confirm, it's on page 30 on the "System Setup" manual of the european (German here) Wii, and it says what FishBone0 said. --Conti|✉ 23:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with the interpretation, it's controllers synced not controllers in use. Sockatume 04:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree with the interpretation, if only because of the fact that there are only four lights for indicating players and connection on the controllers.  If it allowed sixteen at the same time, they wouldn't have bothered putting the lights on there. Rabish12 05:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controller amount 

message: the launch games page says it was, please confirm. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.89.224.252 (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: monkey ball not a launch title in three regions?

message: The DVD-enabled Wii will be enabled in North America as the referenced article (footnote 35) specifically states. The opening paragraph makes it sound Japan-only unless you read it carefully, and there is a specific affirmation of NA avail. in a paragraph below: 
   That said, GameDaily BIZ has now received confirmation from Nintendo that the release
   in the latter half of 2007 is for North America as well.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dnunn0 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo still has denied the DVD Wii coming to the US. Until I see more sources that say Nintendo has "Confirmed" this, I say that it's not happening anytime soon... Good luck... Lamename3000 00:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cleaned up the segment to reflect the source currently available in the Wii article. Just64helpin 22:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in main page--DVD is to be available in NA 

message: My dad asked me today what "Wii" meant. I thought about it for a second and said "Wireless Intuitive Interface". Is it possible that I heard this somewhere, or did my warped mind make it up? 75.73.101.40 04:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, just you I think. A Google search for "Wireless Intuitive Interface" yields 1 result. Scepia 04:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See also Talk:Wii/archive20#Wii_Aditional_Name_Information, where someone claimed that it means "Wireless Interactive Interface", which currently scores a 56 on Google turf.  --Stratadrake 09:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: if it were officially an acronym then youd probably see it at the top of the article Scotty.n 10:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The word "Wii" is just a re-spelling of the english word "we". They chose it because they wanted a name that represented playing togeather. Thats the offical reason why, I cant remember what video that was said in, but anyway, I doubt its really needed for a citation or anything.--Azslande 22:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have any sources to cite, I'm afraid, but I have definitely read a couple of reports in the UK press that claim the double ii in the Wii name and logo is supposed to represent two figures playing together, again reinforcing the idea of "Wii play together"..  dirtybobby 16:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's already in the article right here. Leebo86 16:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it is - I only just noticed that, and came here to edit my post accordingly!  dirtybobby 17:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Wii acronym? 

message: According to Nintendoworldreport, on January 7 Famitsu has calculated that Nintendo managed to sell 1,135,671 Wii consoles.    I find this report suspicious, isn't Famitsu a video game magazine, and aren't video game magazines notorious for being much slower than their internet counterparts?  How is it possible for a calculation to be made on January 7, printed on a videogame magazine, and released in the stands quick enough to be reported today the 9th?  I'm reverting the figure until there's confirmation.  Dionyseus 01:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Famitsu does have a website, you know. It's the game way Game Informer posts some info on their website. IGN is also reporting this info. TJ Spyke 01:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have replaced the Nintendoworld report with the more reliable IGN.  IGN's report also makes it clear that it came from Famitsu's website. Dionyseus 01:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't say IGN is more reliable. They are more well known, but they post a lot of BS as well. I will replace the link with Famitsu directly (http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2007/01/09/103,1168332576,65284,0,0.html). TJ Spyke 01:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why it was necessary for you to place the Nintendoworld report back in, almost like if you want to force it there.  I'm removing the Nintendoworld report, the Famitsu reference should suffice.  Dionyseus 01:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was doing it for the benefit of those who don't speak English. Famitsu numbers are alwasy a little off, which is why I don't get why Media Create (whos numbers are a little more accurate, although the difference isn't much) is so late with their numbers. TJ Spyke 01:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering the same thing.  Media Create usually reports its figures within four days, this time it's been nine days so far.  By the way, when Media Create finally releases their figure, it will be covering the period from December 24 to December 31, but the Famitsu numbers are up to January 7.  This brings up an important question, let's say MC releases their figures tomorrow, and it says something like 100,000 units sold for the Dec 25-31 period, do we go back to the Media Create numbers, or do we stick with the Famitsu numbers?   Dionyseus 02:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: MC software numbers have finally been released, but not hardware. IF MC release their numbers on time this week, then we should get this past weeks numbers tomorrow (so basically 2 weeks worth of numbers in 1 day). TJ Spyke 02:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If you take a look at the Media Create article, you'll see that figures between them don't always match. - hahnchen 19:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the article link, according to the article Nintendo cites Media Create figures in its press conferences and presentations. Dionyseus 21:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Famitsu's numbers are always a little high. They had Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker at about 600K and Media Create had it at 590K for example. TJ Spyke 04:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Media Create's hardware figures for the Jan 1-7 period are in, and indeed the Famitsu numbers were much higher.  Media Create's life-to-date figures for the Wii are at 1,114,974, this is 20,697 lower than Famitsu's figure.  I'll replace the Famitsu figure and reference with Media Create's.  Dionyseus 22:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputing the Nintendoworldreport Japan sales figure 

message: My console just updated to 2.1E but the article is protected. 59.167.63.205 12:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is only semi-protected, logged-in users are not affected.  But I'm not sure how the version number pertains to the Wii article.  --Stratadrake 21:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, so that's where.  The section on firmware updates mentioned (note past tense, hehe) a firmware version number of 2.1 .  But . . . is the latest version number really necessary?  It's not an important piece of information and not necessarily verifiable by secondary sources (though Nintendo.com is likely to have news on latest firmware updates).  --Stratadrake 21:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The update to 2.1 has been confirmed. So far, that update is only available in Europe and updates parenting controls. The source is Vandal.net I Am Magnustalk 22:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firmware version. 

message: This is for whatever bonehead edited the Wii Sales, it's not 444 something thousand in U.S, it's 1.8 Million In N.America and 700,000 in Europe Dumbass —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Wopper Man (talk • contribs) 05:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh-hem, here at WP we use RELIABLE numbers. That 1.8 million was an ESTIMATE from an ANALYST, same with the European number. TJ Spyke 06:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Ownage.  Sales figures are time-sensitive information. ;) --Stratadrake 13:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the amount of space it seems to take in order to present the sales accurately, and the fact that it still doesn't prevent the "Sales figures are wrong!" complaints, I think that it may be a good idea to do away with the whole infobox listing altogether, and focus on developing a full section for sales in the article text. Dancter 17:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: While I'm not going to debate whether IDC's figures are accurate, NPD is the one the console companies rely on Canadian and US sales data. Let's just wait a little longer for their report. Dancter 17:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anon IP, that number was an ESTIMATE made by an analyst. It is not official or "confirmed". The number on the page is for CONFIRMED sales, not estimates made by analyst. TJ Spyke 05:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It's confirmed, it's from the NPD - the most accepted source of basically any sales statistic for consoles. --Guess Who 10:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get Your Facts Straight 

message: Can someone add this to the external links: http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/. It seems to be the pick of the non commercial web sites for aggregating Wii news. 59.167.63.205 23:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that site non-commercial? It's both owned by Engadget, a commercial interest, and ad-supported. Scepia 07:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm I keep forgetting that lots of people haven't switched to the ad free pleasure of Firefox with Adblock Plus. It's still a good collection of information. 59.167.63.205 22:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  external website 

message: There's a sales figure in the infobox for the United States. I was just curious, is this only the sales in the US, or for all of North America? (Including Canada, Mexico, other countries). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.222.173.28 (talk) 00:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just the US. That figure is from the NPD (NPD does have a Canadian branch, but they only the US one announced numbers like this). Nintendo will likely announce North American numbers eventually.  TJ Spyke 00:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "United States" sales figure 

message: Added this link. Rlk89 01:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it. You need to discuss links here first. What is the point of that site? I understand it is for use on the Wii browser, but it seems like linkspam to me. WP is not out to deliver resources for easy browsing on Wii, we deliver information. If the site is a notable one, someone might want to add it, but considering it's your's, that's a conflict of interest. Thanks! Scepia 01:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii.rlk89.com 

message: Can http://www.wiiparty.net be added to the external links, it's a good site to help Wii owners find each other. CPUKiller 15:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would expect not.  Have you read Wikipedia:External links? --Maxamegalon2000 17:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a great link, but it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. WP:NOT a blog, webspace provider, or social networking site. Scepia 20:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link 

message: I have sent the article Jennifer Strange to deletion, to put an early end to speculation about whether she should have an article or not. I am expecting a speedy keep, though. I am not sure if she should be mentioned here at all, maybe creating a Wii major incidents article with the wrist things, the accidents and this death there to keep these articles as clean as possible. -- ReyBrujo 06:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As i mention above I think the water intoxication article is a beter place for that. The newcasts I have seen have made that the main focus. Also looking at the AFD wii inscidents appears to be the least popular solution. Most people that want merging are suggesting either water intoxication or the radio station. --70.48.172.30 01:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AFD

message: Nintendo issued a new press release, http://www.nintendo.com.au/nintendo/news/index.php , stating that as of December 31st, 50,000 units had been sold in Australia.
Nick 124.181.209.225 03:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this info! I added it. Scepia 04:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Australian Figures 

message: Where is the citation for this comment I cannot find it anywhere on google.
Riv234 18:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: VederJuda already removed it . -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 18:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best Buy Return Rate Higher than PS3 XBOX360

message: Just for info.BigHairRef | Talk 17:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales figures in Europe 

message: Shouldn't there be a peripherals section? TheListUpdater 22:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like replacement stands? Just64helpin 22:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: What else? I understand the LAN adapter, but has anything else been announced? Scepia 23:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing first party, but there's some Wiimote charging stations, a third-party nunchuck, and what is supposedly a Mad Catz Wiimote. Nothing really worth including, though. --Guess Who 01:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Peripherals 

message: Somebody changed Legend of Zelda to legend of my mom's butt. Could somebody change this? I do not seem to be able to. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.129.145.90 (talk) 00:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone did already :D. Silly vandals. Scepia 01:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't it have been moved to possible sequels? 59.167.63.205 21:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Nintendo would name a game "Legend of my Mom's Butt". TJ Spyke 21:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was kidding of course, but I reckon I'd buy any game with that title! 59.167.63.205 05:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spammer 

message: Ive noticed the site does not have a link to buy a wii, but I, as other probobly have, came here to look for a place to buy one, one should proboly be included in the article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chuck61007 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our external link guidelines state in its fourth point that we should normally avoid links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services. For example, instead of linking to a commercial bookstore site, use the "ISBN" linking format, giving readers an opportunity to search a wide variety of free and non-free book sources. I have seen many, many times when people add links to shops with their referral, so that if someone buys the article through that link, the one who added the link would get some revenue out of that trade. To prevent that, we usually remove every shopping cart link on sight. -- ReyBrujo 05:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  buy wii? 

message: Was just wondering if it were possible to add http://www.vooks.net
It's an unofficial Australian Nintendo fan site with game reviews, information, forum etc. running for over 3 years Youngminii 07:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. Fansites usually do not make the cut, unless they are official and/or large. Scepia 10:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  To Youngminii: Vooks isn't a fansite. It is one of the largest news coverage websites for Australia. I would say that its only rival would be Aussie-Nintendo.com (which I prefer). A-N is better, and I suggest that we add it instead. It is a massive website. -- WiiVolve 08:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  vooks.net 

message: I believe in vannesa anne hudgens Music video for "Say OK", there is a breif scene of her playing a Wii..Confirmation? Worth adding? Toajaller3146 22:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be pretty trivial. It may be worth mentioned in the article about the music video itself as a trivia, though. -- ReyBrujo 23:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vannesa Hugens

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
#It is stable.
#:
#It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
#:a (tagged and captioned):  b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
#Overall: 
#:a Pass/Fail: 
There are two more things that should be worked on for the future. Firstly, the more references the better (to an extent) and so I would like to see some more references. Secondly, in the article :Image:Nintendo Wii Channels.jpg was put in to represent the Wii Channels and I would like more copyright info, etc. for it. Overall, a GOOD ARTICLE!
By the way, this is the first time that I have reviewed a GAC. Any feedback on my talk page is welcome. Greeves (talk • contribs)  03:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yay! Great work everyone! -- WiiVolve 08:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job to anyone who helped out! Greeves (talk • contribs)  00:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Pass

message: Source 15 is broken. Someone (especially the person who made it) please fix it or it will be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Youngminii (talk • contribs) 06:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link to a source 

message: As canada as a part of North America i feel the sales figures should not be reiterated. As it would be unfair and either all countries be accounted for or just regions are shown. —The preceding comment was added by 11Ryan (talk) 22:20, 23 January 2007 (GMT).
:Whoops. It said NA when it should have been US. Its fixed now. Just64helpin 22:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The sales figure for "North America" is just US sales, I don't know why that was changed. So that 1.1 million number only includes the United States. TJ Spyke 22:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opt for Canada sales figures removal

message: The main page states that wii games cost no more than $50. However, upcoming titles show pricing as high as $60. Do you agree that adjustments should be made? Icestorm815 00:48, 24 January 2007
:No's because retailers sometimes use BS numbers until the correct info is announced. Also, I don't know the person at IGN who wrote those is smoking because MP3 has no MSRP yet. TJ Spyke 03:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More specificaly, ign is notoriously terrible for putting absolute nonsense in that little infobox for upcoming titles. (Especially annoying when they state precisely when titles will hit north america... when they were never even planned for english versions at all) However, while although I haven't seen a title over $50usd so far, it's misleading to present $50 as an upper-bound, as though it's official. (when it's actually just first-party titles that have that cap, with third-party titles only being encouraged to follow suit) Bladestorm 03:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right in that it's not official, Iwata just he's third parties to keep them at $50 (and so far they have). I am glad too because $60 is way too much for a game. TJ Spyke 03:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest with you TJ, I've stated before that IGN is smoking crack. My friend is always raving about how great they are, but honestly, they gave the PS3 the best new console award just recently. They and Jeff Gerstmann are definatley not very reliable. I would use a place like Gamespot. --207.160.105.110 20:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price for Wii Games 

message: I have an excellent idea.  Let's make a Wikia called "Wiikipedia"!  If you think it's great, make replies!  Unfortunatly, I don't know how to make new wikis, so someone that likes the idea can make it!--Furon 22:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Wikia Wiki

message: A number of Wii newsletters(newsletters sent to your wii, like Wiiflex) have began appearing over the internet. Do you think those would be worthy of mention in the article? Uturnaroun 03:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't imagine why they would be.  The link you provided has less than 1400 page views, and has recieved a total of $5 in donations.  We would need a source that talks about the concept, and even then I'm not sure it would be notable enough. --Maxamegalon2000 15:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wii Newsletters

message: The Launch section starts with a collection of dates (proseline), it doesn't grab the average reader's attention —which it should, as the first section after the lead— and needs to be rewritten. I think we could rename the section to "History", beginning with the development where we introduce the code name (Revolution), the audience Nintendo was trying to target and how that affected the design of the console, the unveiling of the Wii name, the tech demo's at E3, etc., in some logical order, of course. 
This would be followed by the rewritten Launch section (now a subsection), Then continue with a post-launch section including the wrist strap controversy, sales, and whatever else has happened since launch. 
Whether the History section should be the opening section or not remains to be seen, but I think it would work pretty well if properly rewritten. --Lethargy 22:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's currently not much "history" beyond the launch itself, but I guess that's something to consider. EDIT: I've cleaned up the proseline somewhat. Just64helpin 17:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The improvements that have been added so far look pretty good, great work finding this stuff. --Lethargy 23:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article looks MUCH better than, say, a month ago. I was always for prosifying the launch table (considering the launch has its own article). I'm glad that a history section is up; a massive amount of information (all you need, really) can be gleaned from Nintendo's own site; look for the "Iwata Asks" section. Anyways, good job guys. --Tristam 21:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't have done anything if it weren't for Lethargy's suggestions. Just64helpin 18:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganizing/rewritng the Launch section 

message: I like the old wiimote image better. It's a real photo and shows the size better. Also, I don't think the new image is usable under Fair Use rules, as it fails the repeatability test (see image discussion page). Rees11 12:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted. The addition of the fair use images was in direct contradiction to Wikipedia fair use policy. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 13:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't encourage people to use the wrong name by calling it "wiimote". TJ Spyke 21:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not edit others' comments TJ Spyke, as WP:TALK discourages it. Hammer Raccoon 17:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: While I agree that TJ Spyke shouldn't have "corrected" your post, it really shouldn't be just removed either, as it is necessary to establish the context of the discussion. I've readded it as you originally posted it. Dancter 01:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I considered doing that myself but didn't want to get into a revert war. If what I said was too offensive to leave on the discussion page, this section could be archived, as the issue it addresses has been resolved. Rees11 03:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiimote image 

message: replies to 
:In Nintendo's announcement of the official name it was clearly explained that Wii is pronounced "we." This is the same vowel found in the Japanese いい (ii). Where did you find that Wii rhymes with the "i" as in "iTunes?" Also, please refrain from name calling on Wikipedia per the the fourth pillar. P.S. I suppose I am pronouncing "king" incorrectly. Jecowa 06:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "name calling" is necessary, Jecowa.  Everyone has a name; how else would one be called?  And "civility" is never defined in the pages, so it cannot be enforced.  Moreover, why should I tolerat vandalist-censorships against my edits, when some nameles Brits kepd wantin to take out my instances of "dolt" after the misspeakrs?  I will not assum any faith (faketh), good or bad, because it is harmful when a'telling the truthe.  Anyway, you are deluded: How do you get "e" out of "ii"??  Do you even know the difference between e and ee?  Wii is the Latin spelling of the English Weeee.  The i in iTunes, which is not Itunes, is a clitic camelcase ginning, so there is no vowel shift; whether or not one wants to say it in English or Latin doesn't matter much, but the latter would rime with Wii.  And, yes, you do say "king" wrong, both the k and the i: You believe that the k is the same as c, and a c a s, and you shift the i into a i-bar, which I will write as é for Latin and 'i' for English.  The k should be the h or ch in other tongus, as in the common English ending -ck.  The IPA and friends screwd up big time in its alfabet. -lysdexia 02:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It may be entirely true that these English words under discussion originally had that spelling or meaning - I don't profess to know whether that is so or not. However, as the English language changed and developed over time, it lost words, changed words, added words, lost phrases, added phrases, etc. A living language has those characteristics. Early Latin is different from Late Latin; Biblical Hebrew is different from Modern Hebrew. As the human race changes over time, so must the medium through which they express ideas. And in a medium where people must understand and communicate with other people, the popular is what gets used, not necessarily the correct. The way you write English may be completely correct for the 1100s, but now that English has changed, nobody is going to use 1100-era English to express ideas, so it's not reasonable to expect them to. In any case, this discussion is starting to lean towards English and Japanese etymology rather than the meaning of (specifically) "Wii", and, at the very least, should be moved there. graphite_elbow 15:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Words would count in a language if they are markedly adapten for that language: if it bears the stems and grammar of its mother.  So, a word like "week-end" is not Francish, even thouh it's understaed by them.  And neither are all the Latin and Hèllenic words that we use English when they look nothing like it.  As such, linguistics is a sham and lige.  Much of my complaints in this thread was/is to rub out clear contradictions and delusions in the world's speech, and none of it is opinion but fact.  The section was to list facts that explain how similar words can be usene to interpret the Wii-name, as everyone was lossed in arguments over pee (no deletion there!); the list itself was not original research, but any conclusion whereon could be OR—that was the wherefore for the tag. -lysdexia 02:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The purpose of this talk page isn't to remove contradictions in people's speech. I think that job might fall under the jurisdiction of the Wikipedia Manual of Style. Jecowa 19:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  late replies to "Wii-name cracked" 

message: Am I the only one who looks at this and thinks that it might be featured article materail. Both this and the Wii Remote page are both well written and cited. Are their some people who work on this article that will be willing to help make improvements if i nominate this? The Placebo Effect 13:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the article is nearly stable enough, and it can't possibly cover the topic adequately since it has only just come out a few months ago. It would not pass FA right now, and I doubt it would get any support !votes. Leebo86 14:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Leebo. --Farquaadhnchmn(Dungeon) 02:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FA Material?

message: Do we not have any dimensions for the console?  The Xbox article does, and dimensions are helpful for anybody needing to gauge the size of a device. Mazin07C₪T 20:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that what you're looking for? Leebo86 21:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dimensions 

message: I'm going to remove the part about the Wii consuming "very little power" in standby mode. I found a couple sources, including Kotaku, that say it consumes about 10 watts in standby. The Xbox 360 consumes 2 watts, and Energy Star calls for a maximum of 1 watt for dvd players (can't find a requirement for game consoles). Rees11 22:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kotaku is just a blog site and not a reliable source. TJ Spyke 22:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The source for "very little power" doesn't use those words, it says "about the same as a miniature light bulb." The burden is on you to provide a source for "very little power."  See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Please provide a source or remove the phrase. Rees11 01:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a quite question: Standby isn't the same as "off"(sleep mode), is it? I mean, standby is when it's been sitting around and gets dark, or when it isn't running a game, right? Bladestorm 01:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. "Sleep mode" and "Standby mode" both refer to a semi-off state, which most electronics seem to utilize nowadays (allows them to start up more quickly, detect a signal to turn on from a remote, etc.). When it gets dark, that's just a sort of screensaver. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Incidentally, obviously, "very little power" is very much relative. For example, the XBox 360 normally consumes somewhere between 160 and 200 watts of power (depending on which source you read), and the PS3 appears to be about 380 watts. Compared to that, 10 (or 13) watts is indeed "very little power", considering it still retains some functionality that you'd expect from a machine that's actually "on". Bladestorm 02:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it's very much relative. All the more reason to quantify or qualify the amount of power rather than just saying it's "very little." That's why I thought it would be proper to simply state what the source said, rather than trying to interpret it. Rees11 03:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I agree. The "miniature light bulb" reference makes it actually more useful to the average person than the specific number of watts (and more useful than "very little"). Do the rest of you agree? (I know, I'm supposed to 'be bold'. meh) Bladestorm 17:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if we compare it to a light, we should be more specific. Does miniature light mean an individual light from a string of Christmas tree lights? Does it mean a miniature fluorescent light? They do make 10-watt and 13-watt CFLs. Jecowa 18:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think we can or should specify. I think we should just quote or paraphrase the source and not try to interpret it. Rees11 20:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and changed it to "WiiConnect24, which enables it to receive messages and updates over the Internet while in standby mode." This avoids the possibly POV "very little", and provides a link to the Sleep mode article. While we are on this topic, the WiiConnect24 article says it uses seven watts in standby, but there isn't a source provided. Other than the official statement about the light bulb, are there reliable sources which state how much power it actually uses? --Lethargy 23:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a couple of unreliable sources but nothing I'd care to use here. My Wii manuals don't seem to have a spec for standby power. Rees11 23:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Update: I see I'm not the only one who has used this wording, and subsequently been reverted  by TJ Spyke. I assume you have a good reason for this, but please do not violate the three-revert rule (you are currently at two). --Lethargy 23:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind the first revert, but please don't revert again unless you have a source for "very little power." Rees11 23:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standby mode 

message: New Article on the Wii in Yahoo! News. Someone should integrate this in somewhere. Might even be a decent reference for Wii's popularity.
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Shrumster 06:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly, I don't think every titbit of news or mentioning of the Wii deserves to be mentioned on Wikipedia. Especially because the page seems to be partial to news items from the US as opposed to other regions. I don't think the article should become a collection of trivialities. Before including something in the article I think one should think about how important the information will be in one year from now. Mausy5043 18:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It might work in Wii launch, if anywhere. Just64helpin 22:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii in the News 

message: Wii got some free publicity when Australian Open champion Serena Williams played Wii Tennis with Conan O'Brian last night.  Look it up on YouTube.  It was a lot of fun.  I don't know if that was sponsored by Nintendo.  Kowloonese 01:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serena Williams lost in Wii Tennis game 

message: When are they coming again?Pendo 4 04:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Extra colors haven't even been confirmed. TJ Spyke 04:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Sure, but reference this. –Llama man 19:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, this has been added. Just64helpin 17:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The statement was removed, but I was thinking of something like this, but more official. Dancter 18:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If you can't verify a statement, it shouldn't be in the article. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 18:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies. Dancter 19:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii colors again... 

message: I counted Six nintendo Video Game Consoles, Color TV Game • NES • Super NES • Nintendo 64 • Nintendo GameCube • Wii, Wii being the sixth, but someone reverted my edit, please discuss this here. Chico 02:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's not a game console. TJ Spyke 02:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wii, or the Color TV Game? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Color TV Game. I believe that even Nintendo called the Wii their 5th home console. TJ Spyke 02:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: then the color tv game article is wrong, it is listed there as a video game console, if nintendo said so we need references, and even if they did and it is not we have to say it is the sixth.Chico 04:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Nintendo doesn't consider the Color TV Game to be a video game console because all the games for this system are built into the machine. This article for the Jakks TV Gamedoesn't refer to it as a console; the official website doesn't call it a console either. Maybe the qualifications to be called a "video game console" requires the unit to be able to play separately purchased games. If this is the case, the Color TV Games article should not refer to it as a console. Nintendo has also released many portable video game consoles as well, but I guess we're excluding everything designed to be portable here. Jecowa 04:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Video game console article says "the term is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to buy and use solely for playing video games from a personal computer, which has many other functions, or arcade games, which are designed for businesses that buy and then charge others to play." so I don't see another classification to the Color TV Game, as for portables they are classified as a Handheld game console.Chico 04:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So the Wii is not a console? It's not just for video games. It has weather, news, the Web, and e-mail. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 04:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, I'll sleep on this. I'll be back in few days.Chico 05:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the Wii isn't a Video Game console, then no future home "console" can be considered a Video Game Console. I highly doubt Microsoft or Sony have any plans of ending the multimedia functions of their consoles. Future companies will most likely get into the multimedia trend. And chances are Nintendo will at least retain what is already in the Wii. Funpika 16:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: on the seventh generation talk page we were debating whether or not the EVO is a gaming console and we decided that a gaming console needs for games to be its primary function, plug into a tv and have games that are specially made for it. the last one disqualified the EVO as it only plays computer games.  I guess we could add that it has to be comparable to other systems of its time.  the color tv games were technologically comparable to first generation systems although they were produced during the second generation.  we could decide to distinguish between consoles and toys in this way.  but thats just my two cents. J.L.Main 19:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If were were going to count the Color TV game as a console, then we would have to count all the different iterations of it (Color TV Game 6, Color TV Game 15, Color TV Racing 112, Color TV Game Block Kuzushi, and the Computer TV Game).  I don't think that it makes sense to say Nintendo had 6 consoles before the Famicom/NES. Bytemaster 02:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that there is an general understanding that :dedicated consoles are distinct from what is commonly understood by the term ":video game console". Dancter 02:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the celeco telstar had like 20 different versions and atari pong had even more than the telstar, yet we count them at the same thing.  we don't count the $600PS3 and the $500PS3 as different, we don't count the NES2 as being different from the NES nor the supperNES2 as being different from the superNES. J.L.Main 16:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sixth Video Game 

message: Can anyone give me a citation that 4.4 million units have been sold, i am a big fan of Nintendo and i would like to know the source for myself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.194.74.227 (talk) 14:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The number of 4.4 million does not, to my knowledge, appear anywhere in the article. Sites like VGCharts may claim this, but we lack sufficient information to make this claim. The current Worldwide value is given on the right side of the article. See the 3.38 million vs. 3.19 million discussion below for more info on how the total numbers are arrived at. --Jbanes 15:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation for sales

message: That Article of The Revolution changed to the Wii is already old and is just annoying in the article. Should it be erased?Pendo 4 01:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? There was certainly controversy surrounding the name change, and besides, that section describes the idea behind the name as well. BryanG(talk) 06:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The subsection is about the name. It isn't exclusively about the name change. Just64helpin 18:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Please do not make personal attacks. –Llama man 21:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Name Change section 

message: Does the Wii work as a Wi-Fi hub for the DS? The information I have seen so far has been very confusing. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 22:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii as Wi-Fi Hub for DS? 

message: What was Color TV Game, was it a video game console? If not what was it, if yes, wii is the sixth video game not fifth. Please give your input, it is important to define this to this and many other nintendo articles. Chico 02:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please check Talk:Wii#Sixth Video Game. Basically, it was like those Plug and Play video games you see from Jakks. TJ Spyke 03:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a portable system (although not very comfortable). I once e-mailed Nintendo and they said just gave a typical e-mail answer (i.e. not helpful at all). Lrrr IV 22:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color TV Game 

message: []
Nintendo Themselves have announced today that 4.5 million Wii's have been sold. (The source is NOT nexgenwars or VGcharts) Dctcool 13:29, 14 February 2007 (AEST)
:Actually, it is VGCharts.  --Maxamegalon2000 03:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If Nintendo announced this, there would be a PR release. I would suggest finding that before changing it, since this does look like a VG Charts number, and it wouldn't be the first time a site used VG Chart's guessed numbers. TJ Spyke 03:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It says right at the bottom of that blurb that it's VGCharts's number. Even if it didn't say that, the whole thing looks suspicious. Leebo86 03:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed.  The source is not VGCharts itself but specifically refers to it.  --Stratadrake 05:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added an editor's note for future edits. Just64helpin 17:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe on the Wii Channels page, but WP is not a game guide. TJ Spyke 22:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 4.5 Million Wii units sold 

message: I feel that the Wikinews Link on the subject of the name change should be removed as it simply creates a large gap in the layout, increasing in size as the width of the monitor is larger. I want to receive at least 5 "yes" votes in order to see if it is only a problem in my eyes or not.
WatashiNoAiken 00:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove WikiNews Link? 

message: Wii (as in we get it) need a better picture of the Wii that one is animated and theres a bunch of real pictures out there that are official so yeah. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.3.160.135 (talk) 01:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP rules say free pics should be used instead of fair use pics whenever possible (using ones from Nintendo would be fair use). TJ Spyke 05:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What happened to that picture we had before this one? Wasn't that one free? Uturnaroun 19:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which? The last I recall was taken at a trade show or such, so it was at an odd angle, poorly lit (with coloured light, none the less), and had harsh reflections. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Picture Maybe? 

message: I was just wondering if anyone may know a few new details about the (really stupid) Interlink lawsuit, as well as all the other mentioned lawsuits. Otherwise should they still be mentioned at all? They're getting a little old... Nintenboy01 16:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Law suits generally take a while. The ones mentioned are far from old. --Maxamegalon2000 16:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any Updates On the Interlink Case?