Talk:Michael Kirby (judge)

message: Ummm, there was a discrepancy between his age at the top and at the bottom of the page. I've fixed it up based on a quick google, but can someone confirm? Psychobabble 04:48, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't have a Who's Who handy, but the Law Society of Australia page (via Google cache) quotes Kirby referring to "back in 1939 when I was born". I looked for material supporting the 1935 date, but couldn't find anything but derivatives of this page. I wonder if it might have come from a misreading of , in which Michael Kirby talks about Michael Hill having been born in 1935? --Calair 23:23, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: His age

message: Robert, a good article. Two points. First, I don't think the word paedophilia was used in relation to the allegations against Kirby. The alleged rentboys were teenagers, not children (also I am pained to see the American spelling pedophilia). Second, I don't recall Heffernan being formally censured by the Senate. Do you have a reference for that? Dr Adam Carr
:For a reference for the censure, see .  As to whether the allegations were of paedophilia, the speech  is peppered with references to "child sexual abuse" and the like, the potential for "a conflict of interest" when judging such matters, and accuses Kirby of "trawling for rent boys", though the ages of such are not specified in the speech.  The implication that Kirby was accused of paedophilia was widely drawn in the press, IIRC, and Kirby's defenders pointed out that Heffernan seems to be hopelessly confused about the difference between homosexuality and paedophilia.  --Robert Merkel 07:44, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It needs some mention here, but the majority of it should be at Bill Heffernan. Ambi 00:48, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Pædophilia

message: I'm a little uncomfortable with wording like "He is also renowned for the depth of research into past cases that goes into his judgments" - it's a bit on the subjective side. Something concrete would be good here, e.g. "In Barnacle and Sawnoff vs. City of Tooraloo, Kirby's judgement drew on thirteen past cases going back seventy-two years" or "Legal historian Bunyip Bluegum described Kirby as 'famed for the depth of his research'". 
: But yes, considering that he's a judge, this article could do with a lot more on his judgements :-) Will see if I can add one or two things, but I don't really have enough. --Calair 22:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the statement would be OK with a citation. "Jurimetrics" would have no meaning to a lay reader. By the way, 13 cases going back 72 years isn't that impressive, since many judgments cite 19th century cases.--Jack Upland (talk) 02:40, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: For jurimetrics on the High Court, see writings of Andrew Lynch (PS:  I am not he). Wikiain (talk) 12:46, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Depth of research

message: Kirby publicly supported the "no" case in a prominent role with Australians for Constitutional Monarchy in the 1999 Republican referendum - see republicanism in Australia for more information - a position perhaps superficially at odds with his "progressive" views on many other issues.  
Superficially at odds, but...?  — MikeX (talk) 09:49, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
:Presumably it is "superficial" to distinguish support for a Republic/Monarchy as a progressive/conservative or left/right split. Kewpid 17:21, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Support for the monarch is the prototypical left/right split - 124.191.144.183 (talk) 14:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "No" case support

message: Note that in court, you call them high court justices, but outside of court, they are judges. User:Enochlau 05:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  judge vs justice 

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message: Which version of this image looks better on the infobox?
The_Honourable Justice Michael Donald Kirby 
AC OMG, BA, LLM (Hons) BEc
Puisne Justice of the High Court of Australia
Preceded by
Sir William Deane
Nationality
Australian
Domestic partner
Johan van Vloten
The_Honourable Justice Michael Donald Kirby 
AC OMG, BA, LLM (Hons) BEc
Puisne Justice of the High Court of Australia
Preceded by
Sir William Deane
Nationality
Australian
Domestic partner
Johan van Vloten
===Poll===--Rofish (talk) 22:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * AVM - Please read the Talk Page Guidelines. --Rofish (talk) 22:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informal poll: Image on the infobox 

message: Now that he's retired from the judiciary, is it correct to continue to refer to him as "Judge" or "Justice" Kirby?  He keeps The Hon, but otherwise I thought he'd be plain Mr Michael Kirby now.  No?  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 08:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: He is now plain "Mr" and is announced as "Mr" when he speaks. That is the Australian convention, different from the USA. --Wikiain (talk) 17:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you.  I've tweaked the article accordingly.  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 20:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: His title

message: On 5 April user 58.160.137.46 changed the portrait caption from "Justice" to "Puisne Justice", giving the reason as "consistency". The reason was good, in that WP identifies all justices of the High Court of Australia as either "Chief Justice" or "Puisne Justice".  Siegfried Nugent reverted this with the comment "no thanks". I agree in principle with Siegfried:  in Australian legal discourse the qualifier "puisne" is almost never used.  In the Commonwealth Constitution, the Judiciary Act 1903 and the High Court of Australia Act 1979, the distinction is only between "Chief Justice" and other "Justices", and "Chief Justice" and "Justice" are the titles that they go by.  My preference is for achieving consistency by removing "puisne" from all articles on members of the High Court.  Tabled for discussion. --Wikiain (talk) 01:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tabled this for discussion in Talk:High Court of Australia - kindly place your thoughts on that page instead of here.--Wikiain (talk) 23:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "Puisne" has now been removed from all articles on members of the High Court of Australia. --Wikiain (talk) 23:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Puisne" 

message: As the HCA bio indicates, his appointment to the industrial court was a judicial appointment.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judicial Career 

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message: Kirby's partner became an Ankali in NSW and … 
* What does that mean?  I'd never heard of Ankali and we have no article for it (apart from a village in southern India), so I googled it to discover it's an LBGT emotional support group created in the 1980s, which has since been absorbed into the AIDS Council of NSW. But the Albion Centre claims it's part of that organization. . Ankali does not seem to have its own website. So, exactly what its status is, is somewhat vague. 
* But in any case, what does it mean to say that someone "became an Ankali"?  One does not "become a Lifeline", or "become a beyondblue", but maybe Ankali used/uses unusual terminology for its people.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:23, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: A mystery to me too.  I've removed it. It can go back if someone can explain it and also that it says something about Kirby.  Wikiain (talk) 01:41, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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