Talk:Fujiwhara effect

message: I think the examples are wrong.  They used to be definitely wrong but I changed them to at least be passably possible. Jdorje 02:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the 1994 article, Pat and Ruth are listed as typhoon/hurricane names, but there is no commentary on the storms themselves. Is this an error, or an omission? I was looking to read their stories but there was nothing. If the storms are roughly equal and they merge and continue at tropical storm strength, which name is used? Is there a rule, or is a new name (e.g. Sam or Tessa) applied as it is essentially a new entity? GBC 16:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo

message: This couldn't be the correct transliteration, could it?  There's no "wh" in typical transliterations of Japanese words.  Fujiwara would make sense. -- Rei 20:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is transliterated as Fujiwhara in the sources I used to start the article forever ago. It seems NOAA is inconsistent about which they use, where the rest of the world overwhelmingly prefers Fujiwara. I suppose it could be changed. Let's just hope nobody decides to make an issue out of one unimportant character. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With a news story on the main page directly linking to this article, I wouldn't be surprised if every other user who knows enough Japanese to find the name "Fujiwhara" to be almost Japanese popped in here like I just did and started asking questions.  I'm familiar with some historical conventions of Japanese Romanization, including your [modern "e"] > [archaic "ye"] and [modern "ka"] > [archaic "kwa"], but [modern "wa"] > [archaic "wha"] is a new one for me.  I'm sure there was a reason for this spelling, but I'd just like to know what it was.  Tsunomaru (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: If the rest of the world overwhelmingly prefers "Fujiwara," then I recommend changing the spelling to "Fujiwara."  As was previously noted, Fujiwara is also the standard spelling in other instances of the name.  --64.142.82.30 (talk) 01:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One voice from Berlin, Germany (cf. ...rest of the world...). The h in Fujiwara is IMHO nonsense, never heard of any transliteration like that. (And it looks very funny as well.) By the way, the dutch seem to have translated the article and now they have an fujiwhara-effect, too. Best regards. de:Benutzer:C-hankel  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.20.154.137 (talk) 15:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I would disagree about the spelling being complicated.  The Japanese language entry spells the name in katakana as ふじわら and the わ is always transliterated as "wa".  If there are town signs transliterating the name as "Fujihara" that is clearly incorrect as that would be ふじはら.  If Sakusei was attempting to approximate a sound in a regional dialect, that would be a different discussion, but nobody has provided any sources supporting that claim. - BanyanTree 17:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to get the reference book from 2nd-hand shop. (I commented here because I heard this story from a member of The Family.) Anyway, at that time, spelling of the name was at the owner's proposal. (Same can be said when registering the name to JP government in Japanese. It is not necessary to comply with the common rule because the owner of the name is The Family; not the government nor the public.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fujiwhara (talk • contribs) 11:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For those who can read Japanese, an external link (http://www.civic.ninohe.iwate.jp/100W/04/040/index.htm) provided on the Japanese wikipedia version of Sakuhei Fujiwara lists his name as "Sakuhei Fujihara," and claims that Fujiwara himself preferred the spelling "Fujiwhara." To complicate things further, there is now a note inserted by an Anon in the Japanese article specifically stating that "Fujiwara" is incorrect, and that "Fujiwhara" is the correct spelling . Fox (talk) 18:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I wrote above, I got the book entitled "お天気博士　藤原咲平" (), and the subject part appears at P47.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fujiwhara (talk • contribs) 13:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Oy.  In other articles where the semantics of naming have come into question, common sense should be used.  If a certain spelling of a name for something, such as fujiwara/fujiwhara/fujihara, then check online for the most common spelling.  For the effect, the one without the h should be the most common.  As for the guy's name, the most common spelling I've seen in literature is with a wh.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: What do other people think?  I understand this person's point, words are transliterated incorrectly from cyrilic languages into English frequently.  What spelling would be preferable for wikipedia purposes?  Thegreatdr (talk) 00:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I should clarify my meaning for Itteyoshi.  Of the three working links from the Japanese article that provide hiragana for 藤原咲平, www.civic.ninohe.iwate.jp states that it is "ふじはら", www6.plala.or.jp uses "ふじわら" and www.city.suwa.nagano.jp uses "ふじはら".  The Iwate and Nagano sites appear more credible than the plala.or.jp site, so the weight of evidence is that the name is actually spelled with は.  Fujiwhara is an odd transliteration apparently preferred by Mr. Fujihara/whara/wara himself.  "Fujiwara" is clearly just wrong.  My inclination is to move this page, and the bio page, to Fujiwhara.  Any objections? - BanyanTree 01:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I object. —Nightstallion 22:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: <sigh>  OK, I only got involved because I saw it on the Main Page and wondered what was up with the name.  After two page moves, I'm way past the point of being interested.  Do as you will. - BanyanTree 10:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let a person spell his name the way he likes. If he'd prefered "Huziwara", that'd be what we should follow. JIMp talk·cont 01:58, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

message: Super Typhoons Ivan and Joan may be of interest to this article. JTWC archive. KyuuA4 16:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Typhoons Ivan and Joan 

message: Most of the examples given of the Fujiwhara/Fujiwara effect end with the two storms merging, so can we still say that it is "uncommon" for the two storms to merge?Jmkleeberg (talk) 19:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: When the storms merge

message: didnt these storm Fujiwhara effected, althought was breif,
Boris Cristina, Omar 16, Ike Josephine, Marie Norbert Odile, Eric Fanele. HurricaneSpin (talk) 06:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No for all of them, the NHC did not say so. --Anhamirak  20:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More storm 

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message: This image should be usefol in the Ron-Susan example:
http://www.mindspring.com/~jbeven/rsk0504.gif
And this image is better than the one that is being used in the Ivan-Joan example:
http://www.mindspring.com/~jbeven/ivjo1722.gif
ABC paulista (talk) 19:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding images in this article 

message: Can someone add a section describing the underlying mechanics? It would be interesting to know why this happens. Cheers, --Dan Bolser (talk) 23:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: Aren't all of the examples a little excessive? I don't wanna be bold and remove all of them, as this isn't that rare of an occurrence. IDK, any thoughts? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  19:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but it's better to mantain the most notable examples (like 1 or 2, properly referenced). Examples make something easier to understand. ABC paulista (talk) 20:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get rid of examples? 

message: It does not makes sense, every high quality image shows the phenomenon, and NOW IT"S JUST BEING REMOVED, LEAVING only a grey, shaky, blured picture of an non-notable effect! Look, i am desperate to FIND a reference! Now, the page looks more uglier than ever! Fujiwhara effect is something that is short term, not common, and needs images! It's was once so organized, and now it's just a mess! Look, just think about it.-- ✯Earth100✯◕‿◕  Talk  Contribs  02:09, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, I think it looks well-organized now. The two images are fine, there isn't a need for any more. If there is a technical image (not an actual image, but something like this), that'd be fine too add, but we don't need more examples of two storms that are close to each other. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As has been stated to you more than one time, by more than one user, Wikipedia is not a collection of images. The articles within the site are expected to be professional with a great deal of easy-to-read text, and only a few images demonstrating whatever the article is talking about. Two is fine. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:23, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

text: It would actually be better to have one of those .gif loops showing either a cyclone merger or systems orbiting each other once than a whole gallery of images.  Since Earth100 is apparently good with images, this would be a good way for them to contribute to the article, if they're up for it.  Thegreatdr (talk) 03:22, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

text: It's not that big of a deal to hit play to animate the loop.  I've included one for an extratropical cyclone example.  Thegreatdr (talk) 05:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

text: It's hard to get extratropical cyclones much better organized.  Thegreatdr (talk) 02:43, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

text: If you can find a better ET example, go for it.  I used what was already on hand through the Commons.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:56, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Wake Up!

message: Hey champz, I found two interesting satellite images about the Fujiwhara interaction between Yule and 16W, but they were shot by the Geostationary Meteorological Satellite, which is Japanese. So, I don't know if they can be uploaded, or it goes against copyright laws. ABC paulista (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, feel free to show the link, and i'll identify it.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉  Talk  Contribs  02:16, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

text: If it is from the JMA, and is taken by the MTSAT satellite probably it is copyrighted. -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉  Talk  Contribs  02:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What if it's supplied by NCDC?  So far, within the tropical cyclone project, we've been fine with imagery from other countries IF it was digitized by NCDC, which would then constitute it's fair to use.  Thegreatdr (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the first one show the two cyclones interacting. And this one show them merging. The site where I found them claims that both images were made by a GMS Satellite, and I have no idea if thew were supplied by NCDC. ABC paulista (talk) 18:48, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I like that second image. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  20:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. Now I know that these images can be used. I found them on page 97 fo the JTWC's annual cyclone reports. ABC paulista (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  GMS imagery 

message: Could this simple Diagram be added into the article? -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉  Talk  Contribs  11:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it looks good.  It would be nice to get more feedback.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:58, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The link doesn't work on the page for the source. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  16:37, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the page (right here). TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 20:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

text: I don't know... On one hand, this montage is kinda not-professional and not-technical, so I don't know if it meets an encyclopedia criteria. But, on the other hand, it's simpler and easier to understand than a standart fujiwhara diagram. So, by now, I'm neutral about it's use. ABC paulista (talk) 18:48, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think either the plain image, or the black and white one, work fine, but the text over this don't work well IMO. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  20:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Which one? The diagram or the satellite image? I think both work very well for this topic. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  01:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't made that one. It's a standart diagram used by the meteorogical agencies to show fujiwhara interactions. The one that I found was used by JTWC to explain the interaction between Yule and 16W. ABC paulista (talk) 01:38, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ione-Kirsten Diagram 

message: There is no need for a gallery on this page.  We have enough pictures that illustrate the topic already.  Furthermore, any meteorological claims (other than basic observations) in captions need to be supported. Inks.LWC (talk) 14:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Point to me where on that page it mentions "Fujiwhara" or "orbit" or "interact" or anything remotely close to supporting that the Fujiwhara effect was present there.  Absorption ≠ Fujiwhara effect. Inks.LWC (talk) 14:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Because we do not need or want several picture examples of a tropical cyclone going through a fujiwhara interaction unless we are prepared to add a similar amount of non tropical events. Also adding a gallery would be wrong as i dont think it would allow people to understand what a Fujiwhara is which is whats required by WP:Gallery.Jason Rees (talk) 04:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

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