Talk:Thomas Boleyn, 1st Earl of Wiltshire

message: Did he die in 1538 or 1539? If the 1538 refers to the old system of starting the new year on 25th March, then we should get rid of it and just put 1539 as this is the modern convention and using the outdated convention is just unnecessarily confusing.--212.219.117.66 12:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of death 

message: This pages claims that Mary Boleyn is proven to be the eldest daughter of Thomas Boleyn, but lacks any source for this information other than a reference to a website.  I'm not sure if I buy it, since I know for a fact that the idea that Mary was the eldest daughter of Thomas Boleyn is hotly debated.  The page claims that Mary's grandson Lord Hunsdon's petitioning to receive the Earldom of Ormonde by right of inheritance from his great-grandfather is proof of Mary being the eldest daughter as it would lend him superior rights of inheritance.  However, it must be remembered that, according to Allison Weir, Anne Boleyn's marriage to Henry VIII was annulled right before her execution and her daughter was declared a bastard.  Thus, because she was illegitimate in the eyes of the law, Elizabeth would have been considered ineligible to succeed to the Earldom of her grandfather anyway, no matter which one of Thomas Boleyn's daughters was the eldest.  This, along with the fact that Elizabeth was female and thus probably less likely to be awarded the Earldom anyway, and also that her mother had been attainted by act of Parliament and thus she could not have inherited any of her claims even if she had been legitimate I think is enough proof that the article's statement about Mary being the elder daughter is unprovable.  Also, if at the time the suite was made Elizabeth had acceded to the throne, then her rights would have already been merged with the Crown and she would have been able to recreate the title a new anyway, and that is only IF all of the above had not been true (which it is, and I cite Allison Weir's Six Wives as my source).
Therefore, I propose that we remove at once the statement "The author of Threads' site and book proves that Mary was the elder sister. Mary's grandson Lord Hunsdon petitioned to receive the title Earl of Ormonde by her right; a title which would have been Elizabeth I's by right had Anne been the elder sister."
Just thought I'd bring that to everyone's attention, since the debate about Mary or Anne being the elder daughter is one that has yet to be solved and is hotly debated (to the extent of my knowledge).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.231.17 (talk) 01:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mary Boleyn

message: The brackets were removed around the two references in the lead line that referred to both of the Earldoms as being of the second creation. I agree that this simplification makes it more readable. But is this at the expense of the truth? does it not lead the reader into believing that he was the first and only such earl? I'm sure that that impression ought not to be created. The edit that removed them said that they could be mentioned elsewhere. The "Styles" section would seem appropriate, yet the editor did not insert the qualification there. Would such valuable information not be lost in the morass of data elsewhere? By omitting it entirely, would we not be commiting an injustice to the Butlers of Ormond? Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Our first consideration has to be the readers of Wikipedia, then we have to consider verifiability and the Manual of Style; and only after those three things are taken care of, then perhaps we can consider the deceased Butlers of Ormond. Remember though, that this is an encyclopedia, not a Butler fan site. The part about the earldoms being of the second creation can be added to the succession boxes or styles section, but not in the leading sentence. I had already taken out a lot of round brackets from the article itself as it was beginning to resemble a bracket and dash farm.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Second creation

message: According to Joanna Denny, Thomas is Evangelist(i.e. Protestant). And maybe he smuggle English Bible to England. Because of his influence, his children Anne and Gorge become devout Protestant.--K84 (talk) 21:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither Thomas nor any of his children were evangelists. Before Henry VIII established the Anglican Church, the only Protestants were Lutherans.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:18, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe I chose wrong word. Start again. Reading Bible in English is dose not count?--K84 (talk) 02:15, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe he swore the anti-Catholic oath.  Someone should check that fact.  Also, the article needs a copyedit.  "He" is used at the beginning of one paragraph to refer to Thomas, and one sentence later, to George - very confusing.69.108.25.101 (talk) 01:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Swearing the Act of Supremacy did not render him an Evangelist, nor indicate that he was a "devout Protestant". Evangelism is completely different from both Anglicanism and Lutheranism. Only fools seeking to lose their heads opposed Henry.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protestant? 

message: The children listed in the summary box are:
     -Mary
     - Anne
     - George
     - Rochford
The body of the article lists the children as:
     -Mary
     -Thomas
     -Anne
     -Henry
     -George
Can someone figure out the truth please. 
-Michigan User  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.108.105.176 (talk) 01:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progeny 

message: I took out the title of “Lady” for Elizabeth Howard and Margaret Butler. In Tudor times, “Lady Elizabeth Howard” would have been the title of the wife of Thomas Howard, Knt., after he was knighted. She was born Elizabeth Tilney. As for “Lady Margaret Butler” that would have been used for a woman who married a knight with the surname Butler. Lady Meg (talk) 05:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Lady”