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Talk:Herbert I, Count of Maine

message: Am trying to upgrade this page by adding quality sources and anyone is more than welcome to help. But in altering any data that is already source cited without changing to another quality source that supports the change is inadvertently causing a false source citation. In adding any data to a page it is desirable to add an in-line source to support that data (see WP:CITE policy. Also, if one quality secondary source says, in this case "Paula" as ES III/4 692 does, and a similar quality source gives another name, the issue needs to be resolved and I'd be happy work on that with you. But the name can't simply be changed and leave the same source citation. Bearpatch (talk) 01:39, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem of a false source citation
Talk:Torsion field (pseudoscience)

message: Hey y'all, I'm not the one to make the edits but this is a poor quality page on torsion fields as it pertains to physics. Most people mean "actual torsion fields", and you will see a reference on the Torsion disambiguation page to Einstein-Cartan theory, and a mention about alternative formulations of GR. So why is this nonsense the canonical article? 
A non-vanishing torsion field term is one of the few ways in which the cosmological constant Λ can be predicted from first principles. What's interesting about this is that it fits the empirical Hubble Type Ia supernovae data, as well as the observations of Sunyaev-Zel'dovich effect.
Students and researchers are directed to this page, which leads the novice to believe that "torsion fields are just a bunch of nonsense". The idea of twisted spacetime is an interesting research topic and has almost nothing to do with this article. Is there a better way to separate these topics so that the first page Googlers aren't misinformed?<~Evi~> (talk) 21:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Torsion field directs people to three other pages. This one is not "canonical". You are free to make a new page about the real variant. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real torsion fields
Talk:Fulk IV, Count of Anjou

message: His birthyear is unknown. He was born *by* 1043, not *in* that year.Wjhonson (talk) 20:37, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What source are you citing for a birth of "by 1043"? The only problem I saw was the last time I was here I failed to add his DOB into the body of the text and cite a source. I have three that say he was born in 1043 although only one is necessary. Thanks for pointing it out though. Bearpatch (talk) 20:55, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Added DOB, checked & covered by same source; ES II, 82. Bearpatch (talk) 21:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A guess not supported by any contemporary source however.Wjhonson (talk) 03:59, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

text: OK I checked again and will post the source for "age 17" on Pentecost 1060.Wjhonson (talk) 04:03, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthyear

message: When I tried this in French to English on a translator it came up with kidney, which does have a some significance in the Jewish religion as source of inner feelings, among other things.  But when I put kidney in English to French it came up with rein, which could be a diminution over time.  However, there was a sub reference to Romania and in that language rechin means shark, which seems more likely given the description.  The Romance languages do have common roots, so I tried again and Wiktionary came up with the fact that rechin is from French réquin, and further 'Normand reflex of Old French reschin (12th c.), deverbal from reschignier (“to grimace while baring teeth”), rekigner (“to make an ugly face”), from Frankish *kīnan (“to split open”). So for me, Fulk was likened to a shark. Carol Weaver. 2A02:C7F:D047:A100:EDBE:FD35:7243:810E (talk) 16:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems more likely the people in France were speaking French than Romanian, though, doesn't it? If you're at a total loss, see what the other English sources gloss it as. I'm seeing the Surly, the Rude, and the Sour-Faced. — LlywelynII 23:33, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname Le Réchin. 

message: This guy's Wikidata entry has a completely different order for the wives right now: 1st Ermengarde de Bourbon c. 1070, 2nd Orengarde de Chatelaillon 21 January 1076, 3rd Bertrade of Montfort c. 1089 with the others unsorted.
:...there is some doubt regarding the exact number or how many he repudiated.
Then the phrasing should clarify or reflect that, instead of just including (potentially dubious) sourcing and baldly stating that he did in fact marry exactly these 5 women in exactly this order in exactly these years. — LlywelynII 23:30, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Worth noting

message: There's obviously more in the edition of Orderic provided, which should be used in combination with modern scholarship. There's also more at
* .
 — LlywelynII 03:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for future expansion
Talk:Kianush Sanjari

message: (moved from User talk:Pedro)
The article which you added this tag on, meets the critria in my opinion:
"A person is notable if he or she has been the subject of secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." 
You added the tag almost seconds from it being created, and it already had one secondary reference. Is that even acceptable? --Rayis 13:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes, I added the tag seconds after creation. I agree with the above, but that is only part of the notability policy. There must be dozens of people arrested and released everyday (across the world) - why is this more notable than all the others? On a positive note I see the article is well researched and very well cited from strong sources, but I am still not clear on the notability.Pedro |  Talk   13:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: *Then, I suggest you remove the speedy delete tag and nominate it normally --Rayis 13:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Agreed and done.Pedro |  Talk   13:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Heh I had never seen this kind of proposition. I guess I might remove it myself. It's not just anybody, it's alleged that this is a well known blogger, notable enough for his arrest to be highlighted in popular media, who may have experienced white torture (very few reported cases) --Rayis 14:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: In any case, it meets the criteria for notability for biographies. Let's remember that this is an encyclopedia where Emmalinas can claim to fame --Rayis 14:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In fairness you can't argue that "because such and such is in wikipedia then so an so must be". I've seen that before. Nevertheless, I see merit in the facts here. I'm not convinced that this isn't very, very close to a random collection of information but your argument is presuasive and I can't get overcome the quality of the citations provided. I have removed the tag. It's up to someone else to re-apply if they want. Pedro |  Talk   14:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, you removed the tag already. I would have prefered you had left them for another editor to remove, in accordance with process as you created the article, but there we go. Pedro |  Talk   14:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The speedy delete tag on [[Kianush Sanjari]]
Talk:Humbert I, Count of Savoy

message: according to the "roglo" genealogy site (which is not to be trusted, but can't be wrong all the time), umberto i's father was one "amedee of provence," son of charles constantine of provence (count of vienne), who in turn was the son of louis iii "the blind," king of provence and "emperor of the west" (we would retroactively style him as one of the "holy roman emperors").  which means (perhaps) that the house of savoy is descended in the direct male line from charles martel.  hence, the members of the house of savoy are in fact male line "carolingians" (or "proto-carolingians")!!  i've never heard of this "amedee" before.  he isn't mentioned in the wikipedia articles on charles constantine or umberto i.  but he may have existed.  "roglo" lists one "Jean-marie thiebaud" as its source for this information.  my french is a little rusty, but mr thiebaud appears to be a gentleman who has done extensive research on french genealogy.  maybe he knows something that the rest of us don't........75.68.9.233 (talk) 02:12, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amedee of Provence? 

message: Hi! :) Why is this count named in Italian, when he lived in an epoque when Italian language barely existed, and for sure very far away from Savoy county? He should be named as "Humbert", which is the French and English version, this would make a lot much sense. I wait for your answers. Thank you :) --Simoncik84 (talk) 16:33, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No one answered, I proceeded to replace Umberto with Humbert. --Simoncik84 (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umberto? 

message: This entry says that Humbert I, Count of Savoy was son of Amadeus, Count of Belley. The Italian version of this entry says the father was Beroldo of Saxony. Something does not add up.
ICE77 (talk) 23:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear paternity
File talk:Tar screenshot.png

message: Just wondering, as a screenshot of GPL'd software, doesn't the GFDL apply? According to the guidelines, it shouldn't be submitted under the GPL itself; and the standard copyright notice seems to be too restrictive here. 82.39.138.137 13:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should apply here on Wikipedia, but a screenshot of GPL'd software doen't have to be released under the GPL. In fact in this case I would guess that only the window buttons would meet the requirement for a creative work. Bitplane 08:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Talk:Central Flying School

message: I've read that Lord Trenchard actually founded the Training School but maybe that's not a contradiction to the first commander as cited in the article?
Scoop100 13:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: From the official Web site:
"In compensation, a naval officer, Captain Godfrey Paine, RN was chosen to be the first Commandant."
"One of the successful students on this first course was Major Hugh Trenchard who was later to become Lord Trenchard and first Marshal of the Royal Air Force."
-RedBlade7 08:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trenchard/CFS 
Talk:Jaromír, Duke of Bohemia

message: According to this article, the unfortunate Jaromir was castrated twice, once by Boleslav III and again by Oldrich.  No contemprary sources are cited.  Can anyone clear this up?
Pugnaciousignatius (talk) 17:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castration of Duke Jaromir
Talk:Guðrøðr Óláfsson

message: Duffy, in the ODNB blurb on Godred Crovan, Olaf Godredson, and Godred Olafsson, gives the date of Olaf's assassination as "29 June". I wonder where that date comes from. It's not in the Manx chronicle translations I've seen by Anderson and Munch. Does anyone know? I like to know when a piece of information is from a specific historical source, and not just surmised or theorised by someone. I suppose that, since it's a precise date, it must come from one of the primary sources he lists at the end of his blurb. Hopefully it's online somewhere. These are what Duffy lists for the ODNB blurb for the three.
*G. Broderick, ed. and trans., Cronica regum Mannie et Insularum / Chronicles of the kings of Man and the Isles (1979)
*AFM 
*W. Stokes, ed., 'The annals of Tigernach [8 pts]', Revue Celtique, 16 (1895), 374-419; 17 (1896), 6-33, 119-263, 337-420; 18 (1897), 9-59, 150-97, 267-303, 374-91; pubd sep. (1993) 
*Historia Gruffud vab Kenan / Gyda rhagymadrodd a nodiadau gan, ed. D. S. Evans (1977) 
*Giraldus Cambrensis, Expugnatio Hibernica / The conquest of Ireland, ed. and trans. A. B. Scott and F. X. Martin (1978) 
*F. Grainger and W. G. Collingwood, The register and records of Holm Cultram, Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and Archaeological Society, Record or Chartulary Series, 7 (1929) 
*[J. Wilson], ed., The register of the priory of St Bees, SurtS, 126 (1915) 
*A. W. Moore, A history of the Isle of Man, 2 vols. (1900) 
*A. O. Anderson, ed. and trans., Early sources of Scottish history, AD 500 to 1286, 2 vols. (1922) 
*G. Indrebo, ed., Fagrskinna (Kristiania, 1917)
--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 10:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah never-mind. The chronicle says "the day of the apostles Saints Peter and Paul". Good thing Anderson put a footnote in, that completely flew over my head.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 11:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olaf Godredson's death 

message: The only Ua Cuiléin I know of are the Ó Coileáin of Mumu. I know next to nothing about Muirchertach Mac Lochlainn. Does Duffy offer more? DinDraithou (talk) 07:29, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops. Duffy specifically says "" - I'll make that more clear in the article. This is all his 'Irishmen and Islesmen', BTW. He continues: "".--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:36, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh! I feel stupid now. I've haven't looked at Duffy for a long time. In any event the Ua Cuiléin of Munster were still prominent during this time. They appear a number of times more in the annals than I have in their article, which I should get back to, and mention this other unrelated sept. The killer wife of the one stabbed to death in 1266 was probably a daughter of the king of Desmond. Their pedigree also survives in sources, going into Norman times. But a Cenél nEógain-Uí Conaill marriage alliance seems pointless. DinDraithou (talk) 18:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ua Cuilé(i)n 

message: Any reason not to move this article to Godred Olafsson, per related discussion at Talk:Rögnvaldr Óláfsson (fl. 1164)? Ben MacDui 07:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman Numerals
Talk:Godfrey II, Count of Louvain

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

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Talk:Godfrey III, Count of Louvain

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: Please forgive my lack of experience. I'm noting the link Godfrey of Louvain (d.1226) on the Phillip Basset page goes to this page, Godfrey III, Count of Louvain.  They are different people and that's created confusion.  Would a "redirected from" indicator be appropriate here?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.216.195.173 (talk) 04:18, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Clarity with link from Philip Basset
Talk:Judith of Lens

message: I notice that "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700" gets a mention in here as a source. Hard to believe and is not referenced from the text. This publication seems to "get everywhere" on the web and in wiki, usually with no referencing. Is there any point in leaving it here? Plingsby (talk) 20:01, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertising
Talk:Gruffydd Maelor I

message: Pretty sure that COA is for Gruffydd Maelor II, since Gruffydd Maelor I's son bore an undifferentiated sable lion rampant. Those extra red stripes are marks of difference which would be appropriate for someone who wasn't the direct heir. Anyhow, if someone could check a reference text, that'd be great. -114.91.67.83 (talk) 10:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Hammerhead: Shark Frenzy

message: while the article is currently summed up pretty well, i think that the words need to be chosen better, as "cheesy" doesnt really fit an encyclopedia, and "hott" isnt a word at all and doesnt fit an encyclopedia either 69.236.48.25 04:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: See infobox: Music is unlikely to have been composed by John Dickson, a US politician who died in 1852. --Romney yw (talk) 00:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erroneous link 
Talk:Kushyar Gilani

message: I have deleted two paragraphs from this article because it was copied verbatim from the MacTutor website. Here is the offending material.
Wiki: Most significant is his work on Hindu reckoning being the earliest known work on Arabic arithmetic which deals with Hindu numerals. An earlier text by Abu'l-Wafa on arithmetic did not use Hindu numerals. Kushyar's Principles of Hindu reckoning was written about 1000 AD.
MacTutor:
Most significant in terms of this archive is his work on Hindu reckoning being the earliest known work on Arabic arithmetic which deals with Hindu numerals. An earlier text by Abu'l-Wafa on arithmetic did not use Hindu numerals.
Kushyar's Principles of Hindu reckoning was written about 1000 AD.
Wiki: There, Kushyar uses a symbol for zero, but does not use any separating symbol to distinguish the fractional part of a number from the integral part. He discusses decimal numbers in the main body of the text, relegating sexagesimal numbers to a separate treatment in tables. Topics considered include addition and subtraction of decimal numbers followed by multiplication and division of decimal numbers. Kushyar gives methods to construct exact square roots, as well as approximate methods to calculate the square roots of non-square numbers. Similarly he gives methods to construct exact cube roots, and an approximate method to calculate the cube root of a non-square number. As a check on the accuracy of his results, Kushyar uses the method of "casting out nines" or "checking the nines" which basically checks that the sums are correct modulo 9. DavidCBryant 13:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Violation 
Talk:Llywelyn ap Seisyll

message: Not for nothing, but the Annales Cambriae B Text lists
:Annus. Reyn Scotus mentitus est se esse filium Maredut qui obtinuit dextrales Britones; quem Seisil rex Venedotiae in hostio Guili expugnavit et occisus est Reyn.Eilaf vastavit Demetiam. Menevia fracta est.Annus. Lewelin filius Seisil obiit. Riderch filius Yestin dextrales rexit Brittones.
which seems to suggest that Seisyll was king of Gwynedd in his own right. — LlywelynII 16:45, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Dad

message: There's a long and somewhat confusing section in this article that appears to be about Llywelyn's ancestry and possibly descendants (I can't quite make sense of it), starting at "As Llywelyn's grandfather is not known". A mostly coherent paragraph follows that, but the next paragraphs after that don't seem to have much connection to the subject of the article, and they seem difficult to understand. If these are relevant, they need major cleanup, but I'm not sure whether they're necessary to the article. Since these paragraphs do make up a significant section of the article, I wanted to see what other people thought - how much of these paragraphs is relevant information, and how can we get that into a more readable form than the one it's currently in? Goldenrod42 (talk) 20:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long section on genealogy - relevant? If so, cleanup and references?
Talk:Máel Sechnaill mac Domnaill

message: This article, and dozens of others like it, lacks a pronunciation guide. For all Old Irish and classical Gaelic names we need to be told how to say them. Modern Gaelic is not a guide, even for those of us who know modern Gaelic, and anyone who doesn't is totally lost here. --Doric Loon (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Why is this translation of his name not included in the lead? 
 Máel-Sechnaill (Máel-sechlainn II; Malachy Mór) (948–1022),
 https://dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do;jsessionid=DA38DD085E0C744B8A918C5D734A6FEC?articleId=a5322
Your thoughts on this, @User:Hibernian?
Peter K Burian (talk) 13:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was also known as Malachy Mór ... should be in the lead section
Talk:Henry of Marcy

message: Hey  I saw that you reverted my edits to remove unsourced information. Can you provide citations for that information? Thanks Z1720 (talk) 04:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversal of edits
Talk:Hugh of Saint Victor

message: I have today (15 Oct 2010) reverted his date of birth from c. 1078 to c. 1096. This reverses an earlier change from 1096 to c. 1078 made on 18 Sep 2009 by []. Perhaps this earlier edit was correct, but I am suspicious as it was the user's only edit and it contradicts other on-line sources e.g. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07521c.htm; http://www.medievalchurch.org.uk/p_hugh.php. If the date of birth really should be 1078 then please reinstate this and provide a reference for the date. Felix116 (talk) 09:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of birth 

message: Obviously, the refs for this thing are a mess. Most are just badly formatted and occasionally misspelled or mistyped duplicate repetitions of repeated mention of the editions listed in the #Works section. They should eventually just be given as s pointing back at the main entry.
The "Further reading" was a similarly unalphabetized and poorly formatted uncurated laundry list:
* Acton Institute (1992) "In the Liberal Tradition: Hugh of St Victor (1096–1141)". Religion and Liberty, 2:1 (Jan.–Feb., 1992)
* Coolman, Boyd Taylor. (2010) The Theology of Hugh of St. Victor: An Interpretation. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press
* Evans, G. R. (2002) Fifty Key Medieval Thinkers. London: Routledge.
* Harkins, Franklin T, Reading and the Work of Restoration: History and Scripture in the Theology of Hugh of St Victor, (Brepols, 2009)
* Illich, Ivan (1993) In the Vineyard of the Text: a Commentary to Hugh's Didascalicon. Chicago: University of Chicago Press
* Moore, R. (1998) Jews and Christians in the Life and Thought of Hugh of St. Victor. USF
* Rorem, Paul (2009). Hugh of Saint Victor. Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press.
* Rudolph, Conrad, "First, I Find the Center Point": Reading the Text of Hugh of Saint Victor's The Mystic Ark (2004) 
* Rudolph, Conrad. The Mystic Ark: Hugh of Saint Victor, Art, and Thought in the Twelfth Century ( 2014)
* Sicard, P. (2015) Iter Victorinum. La tradition manuscrite des œuvres de Hugues et de Richard de Saint-Victor. Répertoire complémentaire et études (Bibliotheca Victorina 24), Turnhout: Brepols Publishers, 2015 ()
* Wilson, R. M., ed. (1938) Sawles Warde: an early Middle English homily; edited from the Bodley, Royal and Cotton MSS. Leeds: University of Leeds, School of English Language
It's better if these were just restored to the article as they're used to source points in it. If the list needs to be restored, kindly fix the formatting and make some note about what the actual benefit or point of listing these in the article is, vs. people just googling "Hugh of St Victor" and clicking the "Books" tab. They can do that already without a random list of random titles here. — LlywelynII 11:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for future article expansion