Talk:Zviad Gamsakhurdia

message: Dear A455bcd9, I don't know how to write this so you don't consider my comment as personal attack and demand to ban me, but please, if you don't know what you write, don't write it, because Adjarians are not ethnic minority, they are Georgians, sub-ethnic group of Georgians, they reside in Georgian region of Adjara, that's why they are called Adjarians, they are ordinary Georgians just like Imeretians, Kakhetians, Kartlians and etc. There are sub-ethnic groups like this in every nation, including Armenians and etc. Just read Wikipedia's article about Adjarians:
Zviad simply could not have thought of them as "ungrateful guests", they are native and ordinary Georgians, it is just impossible and very absurd :) if you go to Batumi and tell any Adjarian that he is not Georgian, that would be an insult to them and they will be agressive to you, just like any other Georgian :) Silveresc (talk) 21:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adjarians 

message: This article needs a section on the subject as a writer and a literary critic. Some information (unsourced as is much of the article) is there, but given the significance of writing to the subject's influence, it needs to be addressed with citaitions.  // Timothy :: talk  03:37, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section needed 

message: I have started cleaning up the article by 
* rm unsourced content when references couldn't be located for up to Zviad Gamsakhurdia#Pro-independence movement per WP:V and WP:BURDEN. Information should only be restored if a WP:IS WP:RS is provided. 
* Then edited the article lede to the point I referenced to reflect sourced info in the article body per WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY "The sequence in which you edit should usually be: first change the body, then update the lead to summarize the body."
* I have removed blog posts and GeoCities posts as references for obvious reasons. See WP:RS if needed.
* The grammar was horrible, I have tried to improve it when possible. After cleanup, article should go to WP:GOCE for a good ce.
* I have also started working on the "Further reading" section per MOS:FURTHER and External links per WP:EL
I have specifically done my editing in small increments, so they can be discussed easily per WP:BRD individually and edited per WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY. If you revert, do not reinsert unsourced content per WP:V and WP:BURDEN and do  restore maintenance tags as needed.
I do not believe there is an accepted single reference style for the article already, so I have been using APA with cite templates. As the article improves hopefully the citation style will become more uniform. // Timothy :: talk  07:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: wow! Thanks a lot for your impressive work! a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 14:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm gonna clean the citations to use . I think it's way easier especially when you want to bring the article to GA or FA (which I'm more and more inclined to do given the importance of the Gamsakhurdia and how contentious the topic seems to be based on the recent heated discussions...). a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 14:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: /agree. sfn's would make editing the article much easier w/o the ref clutter and the ref style is chaos atm so I don't thnk anyone would mke a sustainable objection. I tagged the further reading sec with an under construction so if this section get a bit messy others will understand what is happening. // Timothy :: talk  22:09, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: User , there was a discussion about adding source written by political scientist Pavel Baev to the article and more or less agreement about it, but you still reverted it. And there is a bad pattern of such reverts. Stop disregarding consensus. - Zip18 (talk) 21:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: TimothyBlue was right: "more or less agreement about it" is not consensus :) a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 06:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

text: @Zip18, Pavel Baev's article is a good source, we can certainly use it. What exactly do you want to use it for? Can you answer this question or link a specific edit in which you've added information based on this source? Alaexis¿question? 14:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI: Zip18 just banned per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Fodrid. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 06:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: A user TimothyBlue disregards consensus

message: A substantial amount of material has been marked as needing citations for a while now. This material should be sourced or removed per WP:V and WP:BURDEN. I will attempt to find sources, but lacking sources I will begin to remove the unsourced content per WP:BURDEN.  // Timothy :: talk  06:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup of unsourced