Talk:Ben Gurion Airport

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thread_title: Materials

message: Shouldn't the title of this article be Ben-Gurion International Airport since there is a - in the name and that is the official name of the airport? and not Ben Gurion which makes it sound like a first and last name which it isn't. Misterrick 05:18, 16 November 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  older entries 

message: According to the infobox, this airport serves Lod. But if i go to the Lod article, there is the phrase "Nearby Lod is Ben Gurion International Airport, which serves Tel Aviv" on the third line. --Lordandmaker 20:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is Israel's major international airport. It serves the Tel Aviv area in the Western sense, but being as Israel isn't so large, it is the primary international airport for the whole country, with the possible exception of Ovda International Airport serving Eilat. Cheers, TewfikTalk 01:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I realse this, i was just pointing out the inconcistency between the articles, but trying to avoid nominating myself to fix it with my limited knowledge at the same time. ;) --Lordandmaker 10:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The template lists Lod, Jerusalem, & Tel Aviv as the nearest cities, though it presents that data as what cities it serves. Perhaps we should change the listing to Gush Dan or Israel? Cheers, TewfikTalk 16:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Serves Lod or Tel Aviv?

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Please strike out what is completed. --יהושועEric 15:08, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have scoured the internet for a runway diagram, and I can't find one anywhere.  Maybe they are public for security reasons? I think we will have to do without. --יהושועEric 17:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cropped a NASA image and put it in the runways section.  If anyone knows how to use photoshop or something like that, please update the image with a zoom in.  I did the crop myself, and I am not much of a graphics editor. --יהושועEric 17:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Globalsecurity.org has a nice diagram of the runways- I'm not sure if it's copyrighted though...S234 05:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Found an old map of the field in he:wikipedia. Uploaded it as Image:LyddayAirport.jpg  . It is part of a collection of the United States Library of Congress (see image tag for link and details). Add to the history section?   Derwig 19:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured Article Criteria

message: Whoever added the information about the new VIP wing should check the cost of using it - $50-250 for what? A minute, an hour, a day? This sounds too cheap to me.
--Gilabrand 15:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminal One Today 

message: There is no uniformity here - In the same paragraph, there are jumps from Terminal 1 to Terminal One. So which is it?
--Gilabrand 07:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorted. Flymeoutofhere 18:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminal One/1 

message: I think the image is not of Ben Gurion Airport. There is a body of water near the runways, and so it cannot be Lod area. Looking at the satellite photos at , the runways are probably of Sde Dov in Tel Aviv. The image is too small for me to be certain, so have a look, and consider removing the image. Derwig 19:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I saw that and thought the same as you but thought there must be some explanation. Probably would be best to remove it - can we source one from anywhere else? Flymeoutofhere 19:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/lod.htm- after the history, it has a few nice runway diagrams.S234 05:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes they look great. Can someone upload please. Flymeoutofhere 18:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! --יהושועEric 14:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NASA image 

message: As this article is now being considered as a feature article, I think more attention needs to be paid to aesthetics. At the moment it is looking quite ugly. The new photocopy needs to be cropped, and should not be the first picture you see on opening. There are many photos in the photo gallery - way too many are bad ones, I think - but if there is anything decent there that shows the airport as an attractive place, I would suggest bringing it up to the top.
--Gilabrand 20:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done some work on this, but I agree that the gallery should be reduced further. --יהושועEric 23:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree- gallery should be reduced. Also photo of departure hall does not belong in History section. Should move up to the header. Derwig 23:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, OK, not ugly...Anyway it looks better already with the insertion of a colorful picture, although I'm not sure this one is appropriate. The reduced size makes it kind of blurry. 
--Gilabrand 05:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aesthetic layout 

message: There is no mention of languages used.  There was a pretty large controversy when Terminal 3 opened about the fact that most signs did not include arabic, which is supposedly an official language.  The airport authority said that international norm was not to include secondary officaial languges.  Please add this info. nadav 23:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see they have been addressing the problem, however:  . But discrimination in security checks is still a problem: , ,  nadav 02:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Not to get into a POV debate, but I wouldn't call it discrimination, I call it thorough security screening.  A white Jew never tried to hijack or blow up an El Al jet.  Is it worth putting in? --יהושועEric 04:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't expressed any personal opinion, and I understand what you are saying.  However, this information must be put into the article since it has been the subject of much media coverage. nadav 17:36, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  mention of the terminal 3 arabic controversy 

message: I have a serious aversion to needless galleries, especially in featured articles. The pictures in the gallery at the bottom of the page should be moved to Wikimedia Commons, with a link to the relevant page provided (using ). Especially important images could be incorporated into the rest of the article, perhaps next to the "Airline and destinations" section. In the meantime, I'm going to put the "Airline and destinations" section into two columns. If consensus goes for moving the images alongside that section, the column format ought to be eliminated. -- tariqabjotu 14:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I of course support these suggestions. I raised the columns suggestion during the FAC. But how come the columns aren't visible for me? Can something be done that would work in all web browsers? nadav 02:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd support the changes as well. The gallery isn't needed here; of course that's the case with dozens of other articles. -- Phoenix2 (talk, review) 04:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no real problem with that - lets try to incorporate more into the article. Just one point though, before the gallery is deleted can we please make sure that each photo is in a category to do with the airport so that we can find them all easily in future.--Flymeoutofhere 08:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done I put the images in :Category:Airports in Israel. There is also one Commons image [[:Image:BGN LY King David Lounge birdseyeview.jpg. nadav (talk) 00:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: I am not saying this because it is my photo that got moved, but the new "airport from above" is very dull looking and could be any of a zillion airports anywhere in the world. I would not use it at the head of the article. If you want someone to read this stuff, it also has draw their attention aesthetically.
--Gilabrand 11:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New photo 

message: The historic map image has been removed since apparently it did not bear a copyright tag. Can it be reuploaded please? The correct copyright tag to place on it is .nadav 09:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I uploaded it with the new tag. Hope it's OK now--Gilabrand 19:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:LyddaAirport.jpg 

message: Anyone know anything about the custom of kissing the ground once you deplane, once officially entering the Holy Land? I have heard it done by both Jews and Christians. Nowadays, however, there is no "ground" near the airport; you go into a fancy terminal and the first "ground" you see is upon exiting the airport. Is this possibly just done by people who are taking special flights to make Aliyah nowadays? Valley2city 16:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting question. I've never witnessed this since the new terminal was built... Used to see it on a lot of flights before that... It would be great to have a picture from back then showing this happen! --BACbKA 20:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kissing the ground 

message: It surprises me that this article is assessed as a featured article and even made its way to the Article of the Day - (to me:) it looks more like a mere list of little compelling facts (esp. the destinations of the airlines). Jakob.scholbach 05:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Guys, this page is vandalized. How can it be a featured article!!!
spacejuncky 06:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  featured? 

message: :Image:Bengurionrunways.gif looks suspiciously like a Microsoft Flight Simulator screenshot.  It has a US Govt PD licence, but the website it is taken from (globalsecurity.org) is not government, nor does it indicate on the page referenced that that is the source of the image.
The image should IMO be replaced by a genuine satellite photo with a genuine licence, or with a map. FiggyBee 21:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I imagevio'ed it. That site is not a US govmnt website. --Shuki 18:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:Bengurionrunways.gif 

message: Ben Gurion International Airport has its own ZIP code, and according to the map on its website it is outside the municipal boundaries of both Tel Aviv-Yafo and Lod. An AP story calls it "Airport City", however I do not think it is considered by Israeli law to be a city, local council, or regional council. If anyone has anymore information it would be great. This map has the airport marked within the Tel Aviv District. Thus, I will change the location of the airport (which was my change a very long time ago). --Shamir1 (talk) 00:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Airport 

message: While this article is very in-depth and well-written, I'm not exactly sure this article deserves FA Class status.  I'm positive it deserves GA Class, and possibly A Class, but FA Class is going a little far.  It's not written perfectly and shows some flaws.  Before I go into anything, would anyone like to elaborate more on this topic?--Golich17 (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't mind me putting in my two bobs worth; i thought most of the articles text had to be written in prose? Because the whole security section is in dot points. Aaroncrick  (Tassie Talk) 11:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA Class Article Status In Question 

message: Maybe we should move all this info to history. It describes info from 2007 and 2006, not 2008. Even if it did have info from 08, I'd still want to move it to history, because most likely, such info would only come like in November or December, then let it sit there for only a month? TALKIN PIE EATER REVIEW ME 20:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ben_Gurion_International_Airport#The_airport_as_of_2008|The airport as of  2008]] section 

message: Paragraph 2 states, 
The airport was initially known as "Wilhelma Airport" when it was built in 1936 in what was then the British Mandate of Palestine.
Under “History,” meanwhile, paragraph 1 states,
Ben Gurion International Airport started out in 1936 as Lydda Airport, an airstrip of four concrete runways on the outskirts of the Arab town of Lydda.
Am I missing something, or are these two contradictory?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.93.247.51 (talk) 16:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  original name of airport 

message: Can anyone add content regarding whether alcohol is sold to the general public?  Are there bars?  
Are there rules as to when it can be sold?
TulipGreen (talk) 17:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcohol 

message: I think the last paragraph of the opening body may be wrong. It says no aircraft departing from Ben Gurion has ever been successfully hijacked, but the 1976 Entebbe flight was departing from TLV and was hijacked, no? 82.37.24.117 (talk) 15:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The hijackers boarded in a midflight stop in Athens and never set foot in TLV. DGtal (talk) 23:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  No hijacking attempt succeeded? 

message: There are a lot of charter flights listed in the destinations.  Per WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, if these are regularly scheduled, easily bookable either directly through the airline or some 3rd party website or travel agency and that can be cited with a reliable source, they are fine.  Otherwise they must be removed.  Also if these are private charters or irregularly scheduled, they are not appropriate for the article.--RadioFan (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, unless there is sufficient citation, seasonal destinations will be removed from the article.--RadioFan (talk) 02:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charter flights 

message: Is Delta still planning on resuming this route? The service was suspended in Sept. and suppose to resume next summer? DL online timetables/booking engine do not show the flight resuming next summer. 166.137.13.249 (talk) 00:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But flights can be booked well into Summer 2012 but no sign of nonstop ATL-TLV (DL152/153) in reservation system or timetables. Snoozlepet (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  DL Atlanta 

message: Arkia doesn't fly to the Dead Sea, Tiberias, Acre, Nazareth and Jerusalem, because there's no airports there, you can see the destinations in TO ISRAEL or FROM ISRAEL. http://www.arkia.com/
The destinations you thinking are the most tourist destinations in Israel (vacations packages) Read the cities links (the flights from Tel Aviv to Haifa is from Sde Dov Airport )
Now, Brussels Airlines and Czech Airlines ARE OPERAING FLIGHTS bewteen Brussels-Tel Aviv/Prague-Tel Aviv. See proof: http://www.brusselsairlines.com/com/
http://airlineroute.net/2011/09/15/ok-tlv-w11/
Now Delta are operating flights between Atlanta Tel Aviv : http://www.educational.co.il/article.php?id=1712 (you need to translate)
Air Sinai: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/egyptian-airline-resumes-israel-flights-as-protests-subside-1.343016
Now all the evidence I gave you are in front of everyone, so do not tell me that im ignoring.
--Assaf050 (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proof for Karparthos 

message: Vueling Airlines:
One of the users decided that the airline dosn't operates flights to Tel Aviv. Last year the airline announce that it will begins seasonal operation to Tel Aviv from Barcelona(see the link):http://www.educational.co.il/article_en.php?id=133
Meridiana Fly:
The airline is operating flights from Tel Aviv to Milan, Rome and Verona. (see the link): http://www.meridiana.it/en/ 
Niki:
I really don't know why you decided that the airline will be operate seasonal flights to Tel Aviv.
It's always mentioned that the airline will operate seasonal flights, but it mentioned that the airline will be operate the flights to Tel Aviv all the year. (see the link): http://airlineroute.net/2011/10/05/niki-to-launch-israel-service-from-late-feb-2012/
Primera Air:
Primera Air operates seasonal flights from September untill November from Stockholm to Tel Aviv. (see the link): http://www.primeraair.com/en/destinations
Air Berlin:
Air Berlin also operates flights from Cologne to Tel Aviv. (see the link;in hebrew): http://www.nrg.co.il/online/55/ART2/095/003.html
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3875913,00.html
Aerosvit:
The airline is also operated flights between Dnipropetrovsk and Simferopol to Tel Aviv. (see the link):http://www.aerosvit.ua/eng.html (look at the first advertisement and if you don't belive, look at the order between this destinations to Tel Aviv.
Air Malta, Air Europa, Bulgaria Air and Aegean Airlines:
There are airlines which operate seasonal charter flights during the summer and you can't book flights through the website of the airline,only through a travel agency, like: Bulgaria air-Burgas,Varna and Aegean Airline to some Greek islands and Thessaloniki.
Now, Air Malta and Air Europa are operating flights to Tel Aviv all the year but you cannot order from the website and only from a travel agency.
--Friends147 (talk) 17:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben Gurion Airport-Proof and explanations 

message: Finnair fly to TLV every sunday (according to http://www.iaa.gov.il/ )  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.225.160 (talk) 10:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finnair 

message: there are sensional flights to finland:  Helsinki (finair)and rovomanki (israer)
also map is without south sudan.
also i believe it is better to show 4 colors: israel, regular service contries, seasonal countries, both seasonal and regular countries.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.208.111 (talk) 09:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  destnation mao is incorrect 

message: The terminal numbers are screwed up with the airline destinations and airline names on the bottom of the list. it needs to be fixed up because it is extremely confusing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.35.142 (talk) 23:00, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  someone messed up the airlines and destinations list 

message: I hope this ends the edit war. Please see Air Sinai as well as this current page on the Israeli Airport site. There is an incoming flight Sunday at 11:10 . --Shuki (talk) 21:25, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egypt Air / Air Sinai 

message: UP is a separate brand, whose flights are operated by LY!!!! LY doesn't have a separate working agreement for UP. In fact UP doesn't have its own crew, they only use LY's.  UP flights are operated by LY crews, with LY pay-checks and LY code. Therefore it should list "UP op. by LY" and not the other way around. However, there is someone who changes it to the opposite constantly. What do you think?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.2.103 (talk) 11:53, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  UP flights 

message: destination map is missing Kenya  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.67.124.168 (talk) 12:31, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  destination map is missing Kenya 

message: There has been conflicts on whether El Al's flights to Boston is a new service or a service resumption. According to the sources provided, El Al's service to Boston is a new service and does not state that it is a resumption of service. Also, there has been no evidence that the airline flew to Boston in the past (maybe cargo). So, please provide a source stating that this service is a resumption. Citydude1017 (talk) 06:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Al flights to Boston (resumption or new service)? 

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message: A Russian language Israeli news site reports that Singapore Airlines has applied to launch regular flights to Singapore (
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thread_title:  Singapore Airlines to fly to Singapore from summer 2017 

message: Why cannot we have alliance info? It is very convenient for frequent flyers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoshePupkin (talk • contribs) 22:06, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  alliance info 

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message: Paragraph 3 under Terminal 3 sections - the ground floor check-in counters now being used by Turkish Airlines only. Star Alliance members now check-in on the 3rd floor.
Cargo airlines serving TLV - AirCArgoLogic cancelled flights till further notice few months ago. Ethiopian Airlines doesn't service TLV with its freighter planes, only PAX, Royal Jordanian also ceased operating freighter planes to TLV a long time ago and Korean Air Cargo arrives only under non-scheduled timetable.
Thank you,
Elad Gur-Arie
Holon, Israel
Sat. 03.11.2018 11:44  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.178.23.128 (talk) 09:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Few updates to the page 

message: Airport City (Israel) should be an article of its own, linked to Airport city, where the internationally used concept is explained, as much as to Ben Gurion Airport, of which it isn't really part of. It is much more than the site of the "office buildings" of Ben Gurion Airport, as the current redirect suggests/forcibly makes one think it were.
As the article says, "the head office of El Al is located at Ben Gurion Airport, as is the head office of the Israel Airports Authority." So NOT at Airport City, which lays outside the perimeter limits of Ben Gurion Airport. Instead, at Airport City there are lots of offices of companies partially or totally unrelated to the airport.
Please remove the redirect (Airport City (Israel) to Ben Gurion Airport#Office buildings), allow for a temporary "red link", which will soon lead to a new, much needed article to emerge. Thanks. Arminden (talk) 09:32, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Airport City is NOT part of Ben Gurion Airport, redirect is misleading

message: As of June 2019 Sde Dov Airport has closed entirely. I think that links to this article from airport destination lists should be changed from “Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion” to just “Tel Aviv” since there’s no reason to disambiguate anymore. If I remembered correctly there aren’t any other airports that serve Tel Aviv. MaRoFu (talk) 16:28, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: No disambiguation needed due to closure of Sde Dov

message: On the destinations not all carriers are ordered alphabetically as I believe they should be especially in the As. American comes after Arkia and Andula for example. (Please excuse my spelling of the carriers) Huskermax5 (talk) 23:02, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error