Talk:Historical Jewish population

message: How did Jewish population page get 11,206,849 and I 11,273,076? I am pretty sure that there are no miscalculations on my page. If there is an error, it must be because I listed some city as a country, so the population was added twice, once as a country and once as a city (see). If that's the case, please post it here on the talk page instead of directly removing it from the list. Removing a country will effect the rest of tables by region and ranking. I will remove it myself if the page has such an error OneGuy 07:08, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The anon has some history. Proof please. ←Humus sapiens ну? 07:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 11,206,849 vs 11,273,076

message: Eastern Rumelia includes most of Jewish population of Greece, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia, as well as much of the Jewish population of Romania.  I'm not sure the best way to deal with this, but I don't know if including it with Turkey is it.  In any event, I think the population of Salonica should be included in the Greek population. Jayjg  | (Talk) 18:27, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern Rumelia and shifting border problems 

message: OneGuy,  I do appreciate your work, but I wonder if this particular page is an information overload that obscures a lot of the vital data about Jewish population trends historically.  For example, there were five major Jewish population trends in the 1900s, two based on persecution, three on immigration. These would be the destruction of European Jewry in the Holocaust, the 1900-1920 immigration wave from Russia and Poland, the formation of Israel, the expulsion of Sephardic Jews from Muslim countries, and the immigration wave from the FSU after the fall of the Berlin wall.   
The problem with the historical comparison is that it does not really reveal any of these trends, making it difficult to understand which population shifts came from the Holocaust, immigration, or other forces.  Take, for example, France, which went from 86,000 Jews to 600,000.  The big population increases came from immigration in the 1910s and 20s from Russia, immigration from former French colonies in North Africa and resettlement after the Holocaust.  The real story would best be revealed by showing that Jewish population shot up to 300,000 before the Holocaust, fell to 225,000 or so afterwards, and then rose quickly again in the 1950s and 60s due to new immigration.  The trends are interesting, but the two end points are not very illuminating. 
This does not mean that your data is bad -- I find your work to date very impressive -- merely that it might be worth thinking creatively about how to show these trends in more detail.  I find Matthew White's page an interesting inspiration.   --Goodoldpolonius2 04:20, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is a list that has Jewish population of each country for 1920s and 1950s, I can add them to the table OneGuy 19:46, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Maybe if there was chart that showed the  population it might tie things together. Thos one is nice izionist.org/eng/the-jewish-timeline/, but I liked this creationist one because it had minium and maximum http://www.ldolphin.org/popul.html d[@-@]b (talk) 09:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Drowning in data?

message: Hello Wikipedians.  Based on talk discussions and merge templates, I was bold and shuffled a ton of content tonight.  In summary:
*I moved all historical population data (particularly from Jewish population) to Jews by country/Historical comparison and then renamed that article Historical Jewish population comparisons.
*I merged all current population data from Jews by country to Jewish population.
*I repurposed Jews by country to house a table that offers links to articles about current Jews in a country, the history of Jews in that country, and the "List of Jews" of that country.
*I redirected Lists of Jews by country to Jews by country.
*I added a "Total population" section to Jewish population.
I tried to move all the references properly, but please feel free to check things over.  Several of the tables need to be converted into Wiki syntax, and I will try to get to that.
I am cross-posting this message to:
*Talk:Jews by country
*Talk:Jewish population
*Talk:Historical Jewish population comparisons
*Talk:Lists of Jews by country
Thanks! — Reinyday, 08:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major overhaul (moves, merges, renames, and additions)

message: I have changed the Jewish population of the US in 2005 from 9,225,914,682 to 5,914,682 as it seems that the additional 9.22 billion is a mistake.  If the revised number is not correct, please fix.  AarrowOM 12:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in 1900 vs. 2005 US data 

message: The table in the section Historical Jewish population comparisons#1900 compared to 2005 gives more Jews in the US than in the world as a whole. Something has to be wrong there …
-- 91.49.224.222 (talk) 12:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arithmetic fault? 

message: The figure given is the absolute difference between the % of the  Jews in that country in 2005  and the % of Jews in that country in 1900.  A figure that might tell you how population center have shifted, but by and large a pretty much a meaningless figure.  What most people would expect in the last column, I think is the actual percentage loss (second to last column/ 1900 population). --gejyspa (talk) 06:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I think this calculation is worse than useless. Just look at Algeria: essentially there has been a 100% drop in the Jewish population there, but the "percent change" is -1.07%, because in 1900 the population of Algeria was about 1.07%. But then considering that the total population of Algeria has increased since this time by at least a factor of ten, what is this "percentage change" supposed to mean? Even if the Jewish population of Algeria had doubled there would still be a "negative" percentage change. It's sloppy calculations, because its just simple subtraction of two largely unrelated percentages. It's also arguably not appropriate for this article, as the article is about historical JEWISH populations, not comparative denominational breakdowns of selected countries between 1900 and 2005. The Jewish population of America has increased by something like 500%, but a growth of "only" 2.3 % or whatever is shown.209.235.2.8 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population % change column is misleading 

message: How about a graph?130.56.91.67 (talk) 16:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about a graph? 

message: I AM surprised that there is no section that states what the global Jewish population in 1939 was. This pre-Holocaust data is vital in understanding the catastrophe of the Jews resulting from Hitler and the Nazis during World War II. - Brad Watson, Miami 65.3.238.158 (talk) 23:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose the 1942 data given qualifies as "pre-Holocaust" data, because the massive extermination of Jews by the Nazi regime only really started around 1942 (before that the Jews in German-occupied Europe were in general "only" disowned and deported). It's indeed creepy that the Jewish population has even today not surpassed its 1942 value yet, in spite of >60 years of natural population increase... --Roentgenium111 (talk) 18:01, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Population in 1939 - Pre-Holocaust 

message: The citation of Josephus in this article is a little misleading. Josephus records that 1,100,000 were slain in the destruction of Jerusalem and an additional 97,000 were captured, BUT he qualifies his statement by saying that these were not all residents of Jerusalem. Jerusalem was sieged at the Passover, one of the three mandatory festivals during which the population swelled tremendously. Josephus actually estimates that there were 3,000,000 Jews in and around Jerusalem during the Passover, but I do not know of a passage in which he estimates the population of full-time residents in the city. It certainly is not the 1,100,000 figure.
97.65.18.190 (talk) 19:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Josephus' Estimate of 1,100,000 

message: The chart is missing the Jewish populations for these countries, still sizable into the 1960s.Dogru144 (talk) 00:04, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: No North African or Middle East populations?

message: The statistic shows that Germany and Austria together had together about 2,000,000 Jewish population. It is stated that the Jewish population did drop by about 6,000,000 during the holocaust. Where did the Germans take those Jews from? Something does not add up here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.157.51.180 (talk) 19:31, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: All the rest of western, central, and eastern Europe. As many as 3,000,000 from Poland alone, comprised of her own Jewish citizens as well as those who’d fled there following the rise of Nazism to the west, and pogroms to the east. Remember: The Nazi’s “final solution” set as its goal the complete eradication of Jews from all parts of Europe, not just the Anschluss nations. — SpikeToronto 10:58, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did the Jews for Holocaust come from? 

message: Red cross and world almanac census 1945-1949 show no decrease of jewish population, since only 500k jews lived in germany most deported to palestine and only 200k died in hard labor/prission camps across europe the 6mil figure seems unlikely  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.174.39.102 (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: While the comment above is anonymous dreck, would not the article be improved if the chart in the Comparisons section showed postwar numbers for 1945 or 1946? Would this be possible? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 10:48, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The table in the Comparisons section has the effect of eliminating the impact of the Holocaust by jumping from 1942 — a time before the full dialling up of the Final Solution — to 1970, after almost three decades of recovering population growth for world Jewry. Intervening data from around 1948 to 1950 needs to be added. As it stands, the chart serves the purpose of Holocaust deniers who would have us believe that the world’s population of Jews actually increased from 1933 to 1948 (see here for an example of such an argument, and here for some rebuttal). — SpikeToronto 11:50, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: No evidence of 6 million jews death

message: I tried to sort the table to see which countries had the most Jews. This worked intelligibly enough on most of the columns, but not on the very first column. I think you need to tell the table that the column contains numeric data (or some such).   Solo Owl   21:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorting the table 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There are currently five places where "Jacobs" (no first name) is given as a source; the last one says "Jacobs in the Jewish Encyclopedia" but otherwise there is no identification given. Checking History, it appears that these are all referring to Joseph Jacobs in the article "Statistics" in the Jewish Encyclopedia; the first reference with citation was removed (back in 2007), but the remaining references didn't include an explicit citation. The source material is listed in the References section.
I'm adding citations in for each spot where that source is referenced, but I'm inexperienced and not sure that I'm using the correct format, and would appreciate any guidance. 
--MGBirdsall (talk) 13:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unidentified source Jacobs 

message: https://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm does not cite where they came up with the figure that they state, and the author of that blog post is not by any stretch a history expert. The source also is heavily biased, has no editorial oversight, and no academic significance whatsoever. Calling an edit "vandalism" for removing unsourced data is counterproductive to assuring quality of content  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.22.28.227 (talk) 18:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A blog post by a non historian does not qualify as a reliable source for estimates of population 

message: Corrected a small error in this statement right above the table: 
"According to a 2017 Pew Research Center survey, between 2010 and 2015 "an estimated one million babies were born to Jewish mothers and roughly 600,000 Jewish died, meaning that the natural increase in the Jewish population – i.e., the number of births minus the number of deaths – was 500,000 million over this period".[8]
I'm pretty certain the "million" was added incorrectly as it makes it greater than the entire population of the human race throughout history. Removed it.Bristus (talk) 16:38, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number Correction 

message: Is it only me who find the title strange? Comparisons with what? What is wrong with "Historical Jewish population"? Zerotalk 00:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The title of this page 

message: Why aren't their numbers brought up here all the way through?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.163.32 (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non/Pre-Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Seems to be consensus for an alternative title, and "Historical Jewish population" appears to be the acceptable alternative for all parties. (closed by non-admin page mover) EggRoll97 (talk)  00:34, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Historical Jewish population comparisons →  – WP:CONCISE, existing title makes no sense. Open to other suggestions. Longhornsg (talk) 03:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 31 October 2023 

message: Please include recent scientific research that shows that Ashkenazi Jewry predates the year 1350. See Current biology article "Brace et al. find that human remains recovered from a medieval well in Norwich, UK, have strong genetic affinities with modern-day Ashkenazi Jews and were likely victims of recorded antisemitic violence. The presence of Ashkenazi-associated genetic disease alleles indicates a pre-12th century population founder event." 185.182.71.36 (talk) 13:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetic study of Ashkenazi Jews 

message: Why the number of entire world Jewish population in more ancient time events such as: 
1) the time of the Babylon conquest; 
2) the time of Cyrus the Great decree; 
3) the time of Alexander the Great conquest; 
4) the time of Roman empire conquest; 
5) the time of the Second Temple destruction;
is not given? 2601:19B:1:7B20:101:60CF:DE20:F700 (talk) 19:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the number of entire world Jewish population in more ancient time events is not given?