Talk:Dissociative identity disorder/Archive 3

message: We continue to get complaints that this topic should be treated as a recognized medical condition and that the controversy should just be minimized or dropped. Sorry, it's just NOT OK to censor controversy. 
However, the article might well have been too long-winded and confusing. I just made a pass over it and dropped huge swathes of verbiage, without, I think, removing any information. Since I originally wrote most of that verbiage, you can take this as severe self-criticism. Zora 02:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revison by Zora 

message: i'm too tired to write any more.. it started off as an effort to clean up the article and to make it's assertions more sound -- well, i rewrote most of the first half with references and better reasoning (sorry to whoever wrote it before: sterling effort, but i found it confusing)... naturally i'll be back.. my main focus was/is to place the various "arguments" and POVs into their relevant contexts, so readers don't have to feel they're suffering MPD when trying to read the original's odd grammatical style! jeremy 18:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well, it's half rewritten 

message: There's some good material in his work, but the revision is vitiated by an unexamined assumption that DID is real, it's a disorder, and critics and dissenters are marginal. I've added a POV tag until we can get this sorted out. I'm tempted to just do a revert, but I don't think that would help the situation. We'll have to thrash this out bit by bit. Zora 20:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ekpyrotic architect's revision 

message: I have just now created a page on Recovered memory therapy. It has a lot to do with this disorder, and I hope you guys can make productive contributions to my article. Grandmasterka 08:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recovered memory therapy

message: I cut the following from this section and made just a short, but what I feel is adequate, treatment of it in an article like this. Comments welcome. Here is the material I removed, and I'll see if any can fit into the main article. 
Note: I'm in no way judging the validity of this material; I'm just saying it can be placed better elsewhere.
Some contend that the unity of the self is an illusion and that everyone is fundamentally multiple (an opinion similar to the observations of William James and other modernist writers). Others take the position that some people are inherently singletons, some inherently multiple, and that people should be allowed to express themselves as they are.
While such evidence suggests a common psychological mechanism for multiplicity, it also highlights the influence of the surrounding culture on the perception and subjective experience of multiplicity. For example, people in other cultures who are multiple do not express their other selves as "parts of themselves", but as independent souls or spirits. There is no evident link between multiplicity, dissociation or recovered memories, and -- surprisingly -- between multiplicity and sexual abuse. 
There is a fair bit of cross-cultural evidence to suggest that a small but persistent fraction of humans everywhere experience themselves as multiple. Many religions recognize shamans, people who claim to communicate with and be possessed by gods or spirits.  In yet other religions, like voodoo and the orisha religions of Africa, all devotees aim to be possessed by the gods. Here, multiplicity is not a dysfunction, but a spiritual goal. 
--DanielCD 14:24, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tearing out my hair. I'm jobless, broke, and I spend HOURS every day working on articles re Islam, clothing, Polynesia, Indian films, AND this. I would be the right person to write that article but I can't commit to it! Zora 12:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you mean. So many articles...so little..yadda yadda. BYW, I slipped the above material into the HM article. Will try to integrate and smooth it over as I have time. --DanielCD 14:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Healthy Mult