Talk:George Speck

message: Quite frankly I don't believe any of this.  nominating for deletion.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 22:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hard to believe 

message: The noteriaty of this person is based on racial mythology that has been debunked.
"....Likewise, George Crum, chef of the Moon's Lake Lodge in Saratoga, New York, was supposed to have been the first person to fry thin slices of potatoes and serve them to customers, producing "Saratoga Potatoes." In fact, home recipes that called for fried "shavings" of raw potatoes had appeared in American cookery books for decades before George Crum worked at the Moon's Lake Lodge."
source: http://foodhistorynews.com/debunk.html
I'd give that article more credit if they cited a source for those early recipes. In any case it wouldn't be the first time an item has been invented for a second time, what is more likely is that when they were served in Saratoga Springs (by Crum or not) they were discovered by society and given a visibility they hadn't enjoyed. Saxophobia (talk) 18:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't like the aggressive tone of the previous posts, but I wonder why we (and everybody else who writes about Crum) foreground his race. DO we identify Anthony G. Brown as the black lieutenant governor of Maryland, or Kenneth I. Chenault as the african american CEO of American Express? DavidOaks (talk) 16:09, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

text: He seems to have existed; in the 1860 census, he's listed as a mulatto living near the Malta post office (Saratoga, NY). That doesn't confirm the potato chip story, of course. Fine line between the wholly-invented hoax (like Mencken's tale of the first bathtub used in the White House) and the legend. Evidence is that potato chips have been independently invented any number of times; Crum is credited with one instance that led to their popularity in the US...maybe like Columbus being credited with the European discovery of North America, even though 1) he didn't actually reach it, or 2) know that it wasn't India, and 3) he was centuries later than the Vinland settlement. DavidOaks (talk) 13:28, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He definitely existed, there was an 1891 feature article on him in the NY Tribune and a 1914 obit in the local paper. A 1983 academic article published in Western Folklore (now cited in this article and available on JSTOR, gives the history of the accounts re: Crum, which mostly developed in the 20th c. Yes, it appears potato chips were around and even published in cookbooks decades before he worked as a cook. People like personalized history, and telling stories helps them do that. This was aided by a commercial ad campaign in 1973.Parkwells (talk) 22:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black History Mythology 

message: Yes, George Crum actually existed. Be fair and don't debunk history just because you may or may not like the ethnicity of someone. Also, I'm deleting the "lack of patent holding" as a valid reason for the invention to not be credited. The potatoe chip is simply a derivative of a cooking method. People can invent something without registration (e.g., Cauchy's complex variable).Rajpaj (talk) 03:02, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: These other accounts were decisively rejected by Bradley in his 1940 history of Saratoga. Article now reflects that.Parkwells (talk) 22:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Actuality

message: I reorganized this article slightly.  I consolidated Crum's biographical information first, and moved the discussion of the potato chip controversy to it's own section.  I left the phrase "credited in some popular accounts" in the lead, but otherwise I think it provides a more NPOV to keep it all together.  I also organized the arguments by date, so I think it flows better. Peter Flass (talk) 01:56, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  rearrangement 

message: I came across a second obituary that does credit Crum as the inventor of potato chips.  Unfortunately all I have now is a xerox of an unattributed clipping from the library.  It must also be from July 27, 1914, since it begins "George Crum ... died at 9:45 o'clock last night."  Since it's not the Saratogian I suspect it's from the Ballston Journal, which isn't online.  I will try to track it down. 
By the way, "Aunt Kate" later remarried, since she's identified as "Kate Adkins" in this obit.  Her obituary is here  and credits her as the inventor!. She is buried in Greenridge Cemetery in Saratoga Springs.  Peter Flass (talk) 14:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  second obituary 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Which sentences were just written and not based off of the citations in this article. This issue should be fixed quickly.Mcelite (talk) 00:20, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of the Early life section failed verification when I tracked down the source from which it was supposedly based. There are also several examples of claims going beyond what the sources says throughout the article. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research