Talk:Warrington bombings

message: I propose we change the title to "Warrington bombings". It's a simpler name and would match the titles of similar articles. Thoughts? ~Asarlaí 15:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Warrington was bombed in WWII  Kernel Saunters (talk) 15:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case should the title not be "1993 Warrington bombings" instead? ~Asarlaí 16:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite possibly Kernel Saunters (talk) 16:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Shall I go ahead and move it then? ~Asarlaí 16:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  No we have had no response from the editor who reverted your previous un-discussed move. BigDunc 16:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: This article describes the facility as a gas-works.  It was not a gas-works but a district-pressure storage facility.  No one object if I change it?  Mtaylor848 (talk) 17:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a gas works 

message: The article says that the telephone warning was sent at 11:58 and the bombs exploded at 12:12 (14 mins later). The source used for those times is here. However, those times are contradicted by the following news articles:
*The Independent (22 March 1993) says that the bombs exploded at 12:25.
*The Independent (23 March 1993) quotes Cheshire's assistant chief constable, who says: "a warning was given half-an-hour before".
*The Record Journal (21 March 1993) says that the bombs exploded "about 12:25" and that the warning was sent "about half-an-hour before".
*The Pittsburgh Post Gazette (23 March 1993) quotes an IRA spokesman, who says the police had been given a 38 mins warning.
I've also come across books that say the warning was sent about 30 mins before. Martin Dillon's The Enemy Within (p.218) is more specific: "A police radio alert was circulated throughout the region, including Warrington in Cheshire. Thirty-four minutes after the IRA message, a bomb exploded without warning in Bridge Street in Warrington".
So, which are the correct times? ~Asarlaí 00:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that the BBC is probably the most reliable source, so let's keep it at 12.12 until we find definite proof that it exploded at another time.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:46, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the BBC is usually a reliable source, but in this case it's five sources against one. Surely The Independent and Cheshire's assistant chief constable can be deemed reliable sources too? Also, I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but the BBC article was written many years after the event while the rest (bar The Enemy Within were written only days after. What a kerfuffle. ~Asarlaí 13:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about live news reports on YouTube? Surely they've got some clips.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:29, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. I was only able to find one news clip (here). It says that the warning was sent "just before midday" and the bombs exploded "just before 12:30". ~Asarlaí 16:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

text: The majority of sources gave a time lapse of around 30 mins between the warning and the explosion, thus we should reflect this in the article per WP policies. I agree with Jeanne that BBC is generally taken for granted as reliable, but Martin Dillon and Associated Press ('The Record Journal' original source) are quite reliable as well. IMHO the article should only mention the 30-minute lapse and the time of explosion (12:25).--Darius (talk) 16:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources overwhelmingly favour the 12.25 time, so the article should be changed.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: . ~Asarlaí 20:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Worth noting that a single report from someone like Reuters will be recycled into 50 outlets, it doesn't make it any more reliable, you need to track down the primary source of the information. Unfortunately all media, including the BBC, will rely on press releases and the news wires. Reuters/AP/etc may be more reliable, but will probably get the timings from a single source (the police in this case). A plurality of news stories does not necessarily mean it's reliable.  132.185.160.96 (talk) 03:16, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time of warning, time of explosions 

message: "Three-year-old Johnathan Ball died at the scene, while his babysitter survived. They had been shopping for a Mother's Day card" - the second half of this quote reads very WP:TROJAN to me, I don't see how it benefits the article, only that it appeals to people's sympathies, so I will remove it. If anyone believes this information is relevant, please respond here before reverting.  BulbaThor (talk) 23:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's factual, it describes the purpose for which they were at the scene and is therefore relevant. The first section of this article refers to the prupose of these atacks being to harm the British economy - it is perfectly relevant for readers to see how this was to be, in effect, achieved: by targeting young children shopping for gifts for their parents. FOARP (talk) 11:36, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johnathan Ball 

message: Were charges ever brought against anyone for the Warrington bomb attacks? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Were charges ever brought... 

message: The intro to this article needs a bit of work - rather than introducing the topic it goes straight into various reasons given by the IRA for carrying out the bombings. I think the best way would be to re-write it to be closer to some of the better written articles on terrorist attacks, such as the article on the September 11 attacks or the 7 July 2005 London bombings. FOARP (talk) 17:27, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction

message: I suggest renaming this article to 1993 Warrington bombings. Prairie Astronomer Talk 17:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? that seems over precise to me. Eddie891  Talk Work  17:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Renaming