Talk:Montoneros

message: Didn't the Montoneros bring Evita's body back from Spain? -- Andrew Parodi 14:08, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So, they negotiated the return of the body. Andrew Parodi (talk) 09:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Montoneros role with Eva Peron's return

message: The POV check tag has been in place for a long time now, and there seems to be no discussion. What do we do about it? I'd like to hear opinions. If the article is biased, it must be corrected; if not, I'm going to remove the tag.  —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 01:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is horrendously biased. I don't have the sources with me (nor the time) to undertake a major rewrite, sadly. Taragüí @ 12:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll say that I think words like "terrorist" would count as weasel words and thus shouldn't be in the intro.--Jersey Devil 00:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV check 

message: I changed the number of 'Videla-victims' to 10.000. The figure of 30.000 deaths under the Videla junta is most probably too high. Dutch anthropologist Anton Robben thoroughly researched the Dirty War of the 1970's, and came to the conclusion that about 8500 deaths have been confirmed, with another 1000 still missing. The maximum number of victims should therefore be set to 10.000. Origins of the figure of 30.000 are not quite clear: Robben and several other researchers state that this was probably introduced by oppositional forces such as the PRT and Montoneros to create more international sympathy for their cause. Human rights organisations such as Human Rights Watch state the same: 10.000 is the correct number.
JayGuevara
:If Robben's opinion says that, then say it's Robben's opinion. I've changed the "up to 10,000" to "at least 9,000", an approximate number; the CONADEP report says literally:
::With regards to the first list, which results in a figure of 8,961 disappeared, it is --inevitably-- an open list. [...] We know... that many disappearances have not been denounced, because the victims had no relatives, because these chose to remain silent, or because they lived in locations far away from urban centers... [M]any relatives of disappeared [in the interior of the country] told [CONADEP] that in past years they did not know where to go.  —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 21:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of victims under Videla 

message: This site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFguExSspyc&feature=related has the Montoneros' main song.Agre22 (talk) 01:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not the "main" song of Montoneros, but that of their sister organization, the FAR (Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias). This is the right link to Montoneros "official" march: Libres o muertos pero jamás esclavos.--Darius (talk) 00:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Montoneros' main song

message: The article writes:"On July 15, 1974, Montoneros assassinated Arturo Mor Roig, a former foreign minister. In September, in order to finance their operations, they kidnapped two members of the Bunge and Born business family. They demanded and received as ransom $60 million in cash and $1.2 million worth of food and clothing to be given to the poor. This ransom is the highest ever paid according to the Guinness Book of Records."
Well, the site http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Q03GJVgL0&feature=related talks about this montoneros' crime.Agre22 (talk) 23:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The kidnapping of BYB in 1974

message: This Argentine site:[La Nacion] has an article in Spanish, about the Montoneros.Agre22 (talk) 19:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: La Nacion talks about he Montoneros

message: I think that the article is neutral enough, maybe we should remove the POV tag. Don't you think? objections?
190.17.83.13 (talk) 17:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I will remove the tag. If somebody has any objections, feel free to restore it until a new consensus could be reached.--Darius (talk) 23:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality. 

message: There is a dispute about the "motives" entry in the infobox, whenever we should use "Establishment of a socialist state in Argentina" or "Establishment of a socialist dictatorship in Argentina". The first one mentions only the political orientation, the other is more specific: political orientation and type of government. The reference says it all: disbelief in institutions, and taking power by force. Which means, a dictatorship. A dictatorship justified by a "the end justify the means" reasoning, but a dictatorship nonetheless. 
::That's not what a dictatorship is. A dictatorship is a state run by a dictator which is a sole ruler holding absolute power. Dictatorships are not anti-institutional, in fact quite the opposite. They also do not necessarily seize power by force. They also do not necessarily claim that the ends justify the means. I'm not sure if the frequent misinterpretation of words by editors of this article result from non-native English skills, or lack of education (most of you seem to have a tone and composition style indicating you are in secondary school) but if you are going to baldlu state that a word means such and such, please Google the definition of the word, this is like the 3rd time in this talk page I've corrected someone who was framing their statement around an incorrect definition of a word
Have in mind that the author of the book used as reference is José Amorín. And who is José Amorín, this man who says that Montoneros did not believe in democratic institutions and wanted to take power by force? An antiperonist historian, perhaps, living in an ivory tower? Not at all. Amorín is one of the founding members of Montoneros. He sure knows better than anyone else which were the motived of Montoneros. If some other source, external to Montoneros themselves, says otherwise, it should take this reference into account and explain why Amorín would be lying, or it won't be a credible source. Cambalachero (talk) 22:13, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The violent seizure of state power and lack of faith in the institutions do not make the objective is to establish a dictatorship. Historians have many disagreements with each other. It isn't our job to take sides but to reflect as neutral as possible, which is not achieved with the word "dictatorship". Sorry for my bad english.--Falerístico (talk) 07:08, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And if not a dictatorship, what else could it be? Call a spade a spade. This reference is a step above disagreements between historians, it's a founding member of Montoneros, proudly admiting by himself that they wanted to make a coup, take power by the strength of weapons. Do you believe that, after such a coup and when they defeated the "evil" in the country, they would leave weapons aside, call to elections and restore democracy? Which founding member of Montoneros ever said a thing like that? Cambalachero (talk) 12:37, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not say that one side were the bad and others good (unlike you, who admire the Argentine Armed Forces). The socialist states weren't dictatorships: in fact, only a few cases they were (Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, North Korea). In any case, this is not the issue. The claim that an eventual montonero regime had been dictatorial is to choose only one part of historiography and, therefore, is not neutral.--Falerístico (talk) 13:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Which leads us to the begining: José Amorín is not a historian biased against Montoneros, but a founding member of Montoneros himself. You are basically saying that there is historiography that view Montoneros in a perspective that Montoneros themselves deny. Cambalachero (talk) 14:23, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the citation of Amorín, where does it say that they would montoneros establish a dictatorship when it took power?--Falerístico (talk) 14:32, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Text and page, it's all there. Cambalachero (talk) 22:26, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course not, that's not what the book says, but what you interpret it.--Falerístico (talk) 11:58, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose  

message: I believe that Montoneros can be categorized as a Terrorist Group for conducting kidnapping and execution of military personnel and CGT leaders. What do you think about it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.137.185.232 (talk) 01:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montoneros as a Terrorist Organization 

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message: If I can happen to notice that "26 October 1975" is duplicated, how much else is? Shenme (talk) 02:08, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hair needs combing