Talk:Maria Anna Mozart

message: Questions:
#On which syllable was Nannerl stressed, originally? Was it NANNerl, or nannERL?
#How do we know? Is there a published source that gives a ruling on this?
– Noetica 03:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if there is a published ruling on this, but every Austrian will confirm that a diminutive ending with "-erl" is a) always neuter and b) always stressed on the first syllable.--Suessmayr (talk) 20:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: When I tried to add the turkish lang ext. it said there was spam protection for the infonet.com.br link, so I removed it. Nerval 17:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed link 

message: The second portrait of Nannerl should simply say "Maria Anna Mozart as a child (1763) – portrait said to be by Lorenzoni." The part "For the counterpart portrait of Wolfgang, painted at the same time, see Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart." was completely out of scope so I removed it.
The last point in the literature section at the end of the article should say "In La sorella di Mozart, a novel by Rita Charbonnier,[17] Nannerl initially tells her life's story through a series of fictional letters to the Major Franz Armand d'Ippold, with whom she is in love." The additional "When they later break off their relationship, it has little or nothing to do with Nannerl's father, Leopold. In this book, Nannerl is portrayed as being supremely frustrated and debilitated by her father's refusal to acknowledge her ability to compose music. At the end of the book, Nannerl goes to Vienna on her brother's death, buys his remaining manuscripts from his widow, and apparently begins devoting her life to the promotion and study of Wolfgang's music, despite their previous estrangement." is unnecessary and superfluous so I reworked it removed parts of it.
ICE77 (talk) 00:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixes to the article 

message: From the article's third paragraph on, the subject is referred to as "Marianne". Shouldn't there at least be a parenthetical explanation of this transition? SomeAvailableName (talk) 07:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Marianne"? 

message: I feel that a redirect hatnote for "Nannerl" is necessary for Nannerl O. Keohane. However, Opus33 disagrees. Therefore, I am requesting a third opinion. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:19, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's her first name -- not her last name. If it were a last name, a hatnote would be useful. But a first name, however unusual, does seem like a stretch in calling for a hatnote. Just my opinion. Antandrus (talk) 00:33, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

text: Per above, I don't think such a hatnote would be necessary - unless you can demonstrate there is a significant chance that somebody who looks for "Nannerl" would not expect to find this page. 69.165.196.103 (talk) 01:27, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I also don't think we probably need a hatnote. People don't usually search on just the first name. I mean, it's not like it could never happen ("Who was that professor gal, Nannerl something...?") and for those cases a hatnote is indispensable. But to balance that, everybody at this article has to read past the hatnote, and there's already a couple hatnotes and it's getting a little crowded, so if we're serving just a few people a year {and anyway entering "Nannerl" in our searchbox brings up a list with Keohane in it, and Googling "Nannerl professor" brings up Keohane as the first entry, so those people will get there eventually)... it's a net drag on the article. And yeah Nannerl is just Mozart's first name also, but she's a whole lot more famous and known by that name as more of a mononym really, so the overwhelming majority of searches are looking for this page, probably. Herostratus (talk) 04:47, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

text: I would be surprised that anyone looking for the article about Nannerl O. Keohane would be so intellectually deficient as to (a) search simply for "Nannerl" and then (b) when confronted with a page about Mozart's sister not simply search again with a better string. So I agree that a hatnote is unwarranted. Syek88 (talk) 20:34, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: "Never underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools"... 69.165.196.103 (talk) 23:04, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

text: Completely unnecessary. Me-123567-Me (talk) 23:13, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC: hatnote dispute 

message: "In 1821, Marianne enjoyed a visit from Wolfgang's son, Franz Xaver Mozart, whom she had never met during her brother's lifetime."
This may be literally true but it's a little misleading: since Franz was only a few months old when Wolfgang died it would hardly have been possible to "meet" him. Should the sentence simply say "...whom she had never met."? Paulwilliam2 (talk) 19:18, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meeting with Franz Xaver Mozart 

message: ^^^ RAZZZBABY (talk) 22:17, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Jane Glover's book 'Mozart's Women' certainly suggests that the latter was the main motivation, and this article touches on Maria Anna's wish to please her father, eg with what happened to her son. But as so often the answer is probably that we don't know - or it wasn't just one thing or the other.Ponsonby100 (talk) 10:07, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was she really inlove with the men or was she just doing it for her Dad?