Talk:List of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles episodes

message: I spent a few hours now trying to make heads and tails of the information found on this and other sites as regards to the chronology of this series. The changes I have done already on this page have been minor and have only been an attempt by me to match the information under the two sections "Film versions" and "Chronological order", some of which might need changing again after discussing the matter with other Wiki-editors.
The first problem arises with the proclaimed "months" (and also some "years") when these events happened in the fictional world. I haven't found any reliable sources for these months and I would really like to know where they come from.
If you follow the storyline of the show as released on DVD, you can find the information on this page (under the section "Chronological Order") that the very first episode "The curse of the Jackal" plays out in May 1908 in Egypt. After looking at www.theraider.net, www.youngindy.com, www.tv.com and www.imdb.com I can't find any other source correlating that his adventure would have been in May. It's also impossible from the surroundings or the events taking place in the episode to decide which month it is.
The second part of the 1h and 25min long episode (on the DVD referred to as "My first adventure") starts at 41min and 54sec. It's an attempt by the filmmakers to seamlessly add the about four years later produced Tangiers, 1908 into the story. Accept for the actor Corey Carrier looking many years older than the expected 8, there's nothing wrong with the title of this episode which logically should take place in 1908.
Next problem occurs with the next episode (on the DVD referred to as "Passion for life") supposedly starting in British East Africa, September 1909. According to en.wikipedia.org, www.whitehouse.gov and www.theodoreroosevelt.org Theodore Roosevelt only made one safari trip to Africa between March 1909 and June 1910. I had thought that changing the year to 1908 for this episode would fix a lot of errors in the naming process, but I must fall back on actual historical events and therefor suggest name changes of the other episodes instead.
www.youngindy.com is completely useless for information in this case (which will make me reluctant using it as a source from now on) since it claims this chapter takes place in 1916 when Indy would supposedly be in his mid-teens and already involved in WWI.
On www.theraider.net they talk about the DVD release still pending and about some episodes missing from the video release. They describe the events of British East Africa, Chapter 2, taking place a year after the events in Paris 1908 and supposedly after the events of Chapter 3 (Florence and Vienna 1908) even though T.M. Christopher supposedly put the episodes in chronological order (en.wikipedia.org)
The second part of the 1h and 34min long episode starts at about 42min 50 sec, again seamlessly adding the next part of the story which takes place in Paris. No source I could find either excludes or confirm that Pablo Picasso or Edgar Degas were in Paris in either 1908 or 1909. The problem turns out to be Norman Rockwell who in 1908 signed up for art classes at The New York School Of Art (www.nrm.org and en.wikipedia.org). One could presume he was on vacation in France at the time he supposedly met Indiana. Looking at their clothes one could presume it's spring or autumn but I must admit I know too little about that time period's fashion to be sure. If Norman was on vacation it would make more sense if it was summertime.
Now it might be easier to just assume that the events of "The perils of cupid" (Chapter 3 of the DVD) just took place before Chapter 2 and then the years would automatically fall in place, but that would mean that the Jones-family first went to Africa, then to Europe, then back to Africa and then back to Europe again. It would seem more logical if they finished their travels on that continent and there's a certain finality when Indiana's mom tell him (43min and 6sec into Chapter 2) "you liked Africa didn't you" and Indiana sadly answers "yeah".
So if British East Africa HAD to take place in 1909 I'm suggesting it took place closer to March (when Ted Roosevelt arrived) than September seeing as I'm suggesting that both the Paris episode, Vienna, Florence, Russia (March 1909 cancelled), Geneva (May 1909 cancelled), Jerusalem (June 1909 cancelled) and Stockholm (December 1909 cancelled) all took place in 1909.
To support this comes the Vienna episode that supposedly played out in 1908 with Princess Sophie von Hohenberg being only seven and a half. The actress playing her (Amalie Alstrup) was actually 13 at the time of production and it makes more sense to me if it was 1909 and she was almost eight instead.
Also the friendships between Sigmund Freud, Alfred Adler and Carl Jung seems to have started in the beginning of the 1900 and ended 1911 and 1912 respectively (Alfred_Adler, which puts them in the right time-frame. They can NOT have met with the Jones family in September of 1909 since a picture (en.wikipedia.org) place Freud and Jung in America at the time.
As for the second part of Chapter 3 that takes place in Florence, the references made to Giacomo Puccini (1858-1924) and his works La Bohème (1896) and Madama Butterfly (1904) can correctly put the episode in either time frame (1908-1909).
Also Indy could impossibly been in Florence, May 1908 AND in Egypt, May 1908.
www.youngindy.com claims this chapter took place in 1908. I strongly disagree.
Suggestions for changes
Should the changes be only in the section of "Chronological order" and "Film versions" since the claim to be chronological starts with the release of the DVD, or should they also be made for the different seasons on this page and for The_Young_Indiana_Jones_Chronicles?
Chronological order - 1. Title "Egypt, May 1908" - Remove "May"
Film versions - Chapter 2 - Replace "1908" with "1909
Chronological order - 3. Title "Florence, May 1908" - Change chronological places with "British East Africa", replace "May" with "Early", replace "1908" with "1909"
Film versions - Chapter 3 - Replace "1908" with "1909"
Chronological order - 5. Title "Vienna, November 1908" - Replace "November" with "Early", replace "1908" with "1909"
Chronological order - 6. Title "British East Africa, September 1909" - Change chronological places with "Florence, May 1908", replace "September" with "Early"
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I might find more discrepancies as I continue to watch the series so stay tuned ;o) Athinsz (talk) 19:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setting dates for Young Indiana Jones adventures 

message: Since the series is only available now on DVD, and since the original non-chronological order of the series is so deeply confusing, it would be a great improvement to present the order they're found on the DVDs (which is also the chronological order), with a separate section following, which could briefly note the original broadcast order of the series.  Also, this reorganization would make it easier to insert some of the missing information.  As it is now, the article is both woefully incomplete and extremely confusing. 67.183.220.107 (talk) 01:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
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message: Saw the series and the episodes on this wikipedia article are in disorder. 180.191.200.114 (talk) 00:53, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episodes are in wrong order...