Talk:Stella Artois

message: Ok, I am a home brewer so I am a bit of a style Nazi. Stella 5.0% as I have in front of me contains maize along with malted barley, water, yeast and hops. That means that Stella Artois is an American Pilsner from Belgium, not a Continental Lager as Wikipedia states or a Pilsner as the bottle states. I suggest we change the article to classify Stella as a Continental Classic American Pilsner Style lager.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyral (talk • contribs) 16:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the above comment a spoof? I genuinely can't tell.FrFintonStack (talk) 16:34, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am also a home brewer. If you read the BJCP guidelines, it's a typical Pale Continental Lager, many of which contain maize or wheat. German "lagers" are made to the reinheitsgebot purity laws permitting only malted barley, but outside Germany - particularly in the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Austria, non-barley adjuncts are widely used. American breweries used maize to dilute the diastatic power of the old time six row American barleys to prevent hazes in the beers - different story altogether. --MichaelGG (talk) 05:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Luckily for us, the BJCP guidelines have no application outside American homebrewing competition judging.Haldraper (talk) 12:28, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stella is lager, but NOT Pilsner! 

message: "the Artois brewery was established in 1366"   Spurious. One brewer buys out another, so that's a "history." This is no more historic than Budweiser. Anyone who knows anything about the history of beer can tell you: that was quite a different brew in 1326. You could just as well say some "Old Sumerian" beer brewed in southern Iraq is 4000 years old.... Now, as for the history of this modern marketing gambit: that's interesting! that's history! --Wetman 12:00, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invented history 

message: I assumed Stella Artois is called "wifebeater" because of the Tennessee Williams play "A Streetcar Named Desire", where the male lead character (Stanley Kowalski) repeatedly bellows his wife's name "STELLA!", and also beats her. unsigned comment
I always thought it was because it's such a popular, drinkable yet strong brand of beer, a drunk man beating his wife was likely to be under its influence. At best, I think we can agree that the origins of this moniker are obscure. I will add that domestic violence is a serious subject and my comments are not intended to make light of it. - Smallbone10
A possible explaination for the nickname "wifebeater" is that Stella Artois has a reputation as "loony juice"; that is, an alcoholic drink which induces violent drunken behaviour rather than making it's drinker tired and emotional in the usual style.  White cider (and in fact cider in general), certain wines and other more low-brow super-strength lagers also have this trait; however, the fact Stella Artois is relatively expensive keeps it out of the price range of the underage drinkers and alcoholics which form the majority of the people who purchase the other types of loony juice.  Stella Artois tends to be a more middle-class drink, consumed by social drinkers with jobs and families (i.e people who have wives to beat), who probably have never even seen a bottle of Diamond White or Heldenbrau since they were teenagers.  Therefore, "wifebeater" is probably a middle-class nickname applied by people who associate Stella with marital violence.  They would probably call white cider "wifebeater" if they actually lowered themselves to drinking it.
- Stella is not a 'Middle Class' drink. It is 6 cans for £5 in virtually every cornershop. It is the standard drink sold at squat parties and is sold in every pub I drink in. JD Weatherspoons (a very down market pub chain) sells bottles of it to all the chav youths in my local area. 62.3.70.68 18:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wifebeater... 

message: I haven't been looking very hard, but I haven't seen this slogan in the US. Is it mainly in Europe? --alxndr 21:30, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Reassuringly Expensive" slogan 

message: Stella Artois is made using an extract of fish swimbladder called isinglass to clarify the lager. Interbrew have confirmed this in the link I have posted. 
"Consumer Helpline  <Consumer.Helpline@inbev.co.uk> 
Thank you for your email regarding brands suitable for vegetarians.
The animal product used is Isinglass (fish finings).  This is a clarification agent made from certain fish.  It assists clarification by attracting the yeast cells causing them to coagulate into larger particles which then separate from the beer, giving the beer a clean and clear appearance.
The brands we produce that are suitable for Vegetarians and Vegans are Hoegaarden, and Becks.
I hope this information is helpful to you.
Once again thank you for contacting InBev UK Ltd.
Regards
Barbara
Consumer Services Advisor
InBev UK Ltd
Consumer Helpline: 0870 24 111 24"
62.3.70.68 18:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally can't see how mentioning it either way meets WP:NOT at all - its indiscriminate information. --Kiand 07:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Is this your personal conclusion based on the ad, or have they specifically mentioned not using it any more? So far as I understand it, isinglass isn't an ingredient in the final product, but it is used as part of the manufacturing process. --McGeddon (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Suitable for Vegans and Vegetarians 

message: can we gat an IPA pronunciation of Artois? Chris 05:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: pron of Artois

message: This statement needs to be clarified. Almost all lagers are bottom fermented, including pilsners. Does "table beer" refer to lagers in general or just pilsners. Also, it seems a little unnecessary.  Eric Van Bogaert 20:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would presume "table beer" is much the same as "table wine." An alcoholic beverage that is cheap, to be enjoyed with a meal, and is not high in alcohol content so that it won't make the drinker logy. 66.207.82.65 (talk) 15:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "table beer"  characterized by its bottom fermented method? 

message: Under the see also section i've added Eiken Artois, which is a new oak aged lager set to replace the Bock variant of artois line, news can be seen here - http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/news_detail.aspx?articleid=56134&linkedfrom=search&from=&to=&keywords=%C2%AEions=%C2%A4tpage=0
Souldriver x (talk) 21:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eiken

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message: Inbev have recently launched a 4% abv version of stella artois, to go along side exsisting brands offering more choice to consumers.  link to stelle site here; http://www.stella-artois-news.co.uk/content/inbev-launch-stella-artois-4
62.56.102.106 (talk) 18:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stella Artois 4%

message: I bought a can of UK-brewed Stella today and the alcoholic strength was printed on the can as 5.0% by volume, rather than 5.2% as used to be the case. Does this change only apply to UK Stella, or does it apply to the Belgian version as well? 217.155.20.163 (talk) 23:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked the cans in the shop today. Over here in Flanders (Belgium), they still indicate 5.2%. Therefore, the alcoholic strenght change may be UK brewed specific. AFAIK, our domestic brewed Stella is remaining 5.2%. -- Bartvs (talk) 00:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I bought some stella in Leuven today, and it's still 5,2%, maybe the 5% is a UK thing, I'm changing the article to reflect this --Lamadude (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Stella in Canada is still 5.2%. I believe it must be a UK thing. --dsherret (talk) 04:18, 13 Aug 2009 (UTC)

text: I just bought a 12-pack here in Canada and it's 5.0%. Vranak (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's now gone down to 4.8% in the UK. Pleasetry (talk) 17:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Re this edit: Stella in the UK is being reduced to 4.8% during 2012. However, when I looked at some Stella on the shelf of a UK supermarket today, it was still labelled at 5%. It is still advertised online at 5% in the UK as well. Perhaps this change is still in the process of being rolled out.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

text:  Gran the 5% version while you still can, the 4.8 version is vastly inferior. I'd love to know InBev's reasoning for this bizarre change.--MartinUK (talk) 17:12, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

text:  I would love to know why inbev belgium even allow inbev uk to make these horrid changes in the first place.  It is giving real stella artois 5.2% a bad name here having dropped to 5.0% in 2007-2008 and then again from 5.0-4.8 is a pure joke its horrid stella artois is in the uk now im boycotting it till its changed back to 5 or 5.2%.   Unfortunatly the abv seems to have dropped to at least 5.0% in most countries that stella artois is sold in now from what i can make out. I know it is only 5.0% in france and that ab inbev france produce their own version of stella artois because i have bought it on the ferry to dunkirk it tastes different to the 5.0% stella made in belgium for the eu market. it has more of a kronnenburg type taste to it. 
The uk now make a horrid 4.8% version though in my opinion it is the 5.0 or 5.2% stella thats just been watered downand  to a lower abv and not a new version of stella artois brewed to only 4.8% as inbev uk claim.  Unfortunatly the real 5.2% stella artois will be neglected to history books soon due to tax avoidance measures used by inbev around the world.  I assume now its only possible to obtain 5.2% atella artois in belgium and holland now although its never been a popular drink in the netherlands and is hard to find.  21/03/2013 martyn west midlands uk  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.64.64 (talk) 22:55, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  5.2%? 

message: The article states everywhere Louvain which is the French translation of Leuven, shouldn't we adopt the article to use Leuven instead?
French speaking population in Leuven is véry low.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.101.44.149 (talk) 17:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A silly complaint to make here, 7 years later, when the article says "Leuven" throughout. Pinkbeast (talk) 15:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leuven? 

message: This is in various newspapers today, but not all of the details add up. There are clear signs of editing by Portlander10/83.244.252.242 in the edit history of Wife-beater in August 2011 (which is basically a disambiguation page), but none in Stella Artois (this article).--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:26, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by Portlander10/83.244.252.242 

message: It has been suggested to decouple Stella Artois from the United States.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.229.115.207 (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decouple 

message: Does anyone have a link to SA advertising specifically claiming yeast is not used in the brewing process? Sandcherry (talk) 02:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Gina, Your last edit looks fine to me.  I think it captures the facts without commenting on SA's perhaps questionable advertising. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 02:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Gina, you have been adding links to this blog in several places. Please stop. Blogs like this are not acceptable per WP:ELNO, certainly not as references, unless the blog writer is a recognized expert in the field, and I can find no evidence that this one is. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Yeast

message: Does anyone know what "stella artois" means in English? I'm guessing "silver star". Norman21 (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Stella Artois website:
In 1708, Sebastian Artois became the master brewer at Den Hoorn. And only nine years later, such was his commitment, he was able to buy the brewery, putting his last name on it and eventually on every bottle of Stella Artois around the world. Because The Artois Brewery was so beloved internationally and locally, a special batch was brewed as a Christmas gift for our loyal patrons. That special batch was the first to officially include "Stella" in its name. "Stella", meaning star in Latin, pays homage to this original occasion, accompanied by a star on every bottle. The link with Sebastien Artois is mentioned in the article, but not the "Stella" part.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:31, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: From Google Translate (I know, I know...): Definitions of Artois: noun: a region and former province of northwestern France.  The name Sébastien is French, not Dutch.  So, "Sébastien of Artois"!!!  Given that a good brewer is a good brewer, and migration was common even in the Dark Ages, a French brewer in what is now Belgium cannot be surprising.  And don't forget, legend has it the French were the ones who "spiced up" boring old "ale" with Extract of dried Hop flowers...  220.253.234.158 (talk) 00:17, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation of the name?

message: i put the articles cited to prove that the ad was "heavily criticised" in belgium for portraying it as french into google translate and didn't get the impression. both articles focused on the fact that the ad wasn't well received among some focus groups and stuff. both barely mentioned the idea of belgians being mad they made it look french. granted this is google translation here but the meaning of all the translated sentences and stuff seemed pretty clear to me. so, either it's unfair to say that "belgians were really mad" about it or a better article to cite to prove that should be found.
2601:B:C580:1318:2D5D:545C:9FD8:B0BF (talk) 05:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: super bowl ad criticism

message: We have an IP who's dead keen on editing in the uncited derivation of "wife-beater" from A Streetcar Named Desire. It seems like it might be useful to have a talk page item on it, although as long as it remains uncited, I can't see that it belongs in the article. Pinkbeast (talk) 13:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been said that this is the origin of the term "wife-beater" because one of the characters in A Streetcar Named Desire is called Stella and Stanley hits Stella. The trouble is that there is no reliable sourcing for this and it could just be another urban legend. This is unsuitable for the article unless it is reliably sourced.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:26, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Streetcar named Desire 

message: Leuven is Louvain. And this "Artois purchased the brewery in 1717 and renamed it Brouwerij Artois.[6]" makes no sense in 1717 (in the Austrian Low countries), Dutch would not be used but French : « Brasseries Artois ». Especially with a surname as Artois.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.143.210.74 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wikipedia article is titled Leuven. I'm reminded here of WP:DERRY.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:00, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seems some Flemings edited the file 

message: I cannot recall when and where I first came across Stella Artois. But when I had heard it called wife beater, I immediately made the connection between it and 'Streetcar Named Desire' and Marlon Brando wearing his T-shirt. Just as I had made the connection between the T-shirt being called a wife beater and 'Streetcar'. 
I have no citation for any of this. It was just obvious. I'm sure it's a generational thing. i.e. Anybody else but those who know is ignorant.  :)
How do you substantiate things that are just permeated in culture?
75.130.131.133 (talk) 07:36, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it isn't obvious, it's likely just a coincidence. A Streetcar Named Desire is an American play written by an American playwright, and the term "Wife Beater" for the beer is pretty much confined to the U.K. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:36, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  More 'wife beater', stella, streetcar 

message: It has an overall very U.K. centric focus considering Stella is made in Belgium and distributed world wide.
200.68.143.26 (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a fair amount of focus on the UK, but hopefully not a bias. Stella is also brewed in the UK and is available in virtually every British supermarket.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:37, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be titled: "Stella Artois in the U.K." 

message: Stella for the US market is now brewed in St Louis not Belgium. It is no longer an import beer. 2601:249:8A00:9410:A522:590A:6061:1772 (talk) 14:34, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:41, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2021 

message: In the History section add something along the lines of 
"In September of 2021 Stella Artois Liberté was introduced with 0% alcohol."
Ref https://www.anheuser-busch.com/newsroom/2021/09/stella-artois-liberte-the-brand-s-first-u-s-non-alcoholic-brew/ 50.90.222.254 (talk) 03:56, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please provide secondary sources to demonstrate that this is noteworthy. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:08, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2022 

message: Stella Artois (/ɑːrˈtwɑː/ ar-TWAH) is a pilsner beer,[1] first brewed in 1926 by Brouwerij Artois in Leuven, Belgium. 
1926 to 1326 108.235.160.228 (talk) 12:13, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: - as the article clearly states, with references, Stella Artois was first brewed in 1926. The brewery might have a claim to going back to 1366, but this article is about one of their brands, not the brewery itself - Arjayay (talk) 12:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2022 

message: It says Stella Artois was first brewed in 1926, needs to be changed to 1366. Check their website and bottles. 2A02:1812:1502:9200:5921:BFEC:2172:D59A (talk) 14:22, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: According to the citations, although the precursor of the brewery Brouwerij Artois was established in 1366, this particular type of beer was first brewed in 1926. Liu1126 (talk) 14:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2023 Stella Artois 

message: In the United States, Stella Artois is NOT imported. It is now brewed by Anheuser-Busch. Just look at any can and it says that clearly.  2601:19B:C703:1D40:C92A:6F93:4DE3:51D4 (talk) 21:23, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Longer Imported for USA Market 

message: No longer 5.2%
Try 4.6% Premium Lager my arse. MyBallzYourFace (talk) 19:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The article already says this, at least for the version available in the UK. And to be sure that this is still correct, here it is at 4.6% in a UK supermarket today.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentage