Talk:West End theatre

message: I searched this on Google and each of the top ten results said it was 'Les Miserables', however, having seen the article on 'The Mousetrap' it's obvious this was written first. However, is it certain that the mousetrap has been showing non-stop in London's West End for all those years? That would explain why many websites list Les Mis and Phantom as being longer running. Grunners 00:28, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Les Mis and Phantom are the longest running Musicals I believe. The longest continuously running play in the world is The Mousetrap. It opened at the Ambassador's Theatre on Nov 25th 1952 and transferred to the St. Martin's Theatre in 1974 - It's now in it's 53rd year! History Martin TB 18:20, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Longest running W.E. Musical still on stage

message: *Oh! Calcutta! - ran for 5-6 years, started in 1969
*The Rocky Horror Show (original 1973 production) ran for 6 years ish, reprised many times since.--BenyG 15:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of musicals to be added in the list but exact details/references not yet sourced

message: Would it not be nice to put a list of current running west end productions in this article? Check out Broadway to see what i mean. Basreuwer 20:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Shouldn't be too difficult to do, either.  Russell Brown 13:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The list of current/coming West End productions can get quite long, see example on [UKTW], this could be made more meaningful by restricting it to shows running for, say, 1 month or more ... shouldn't just be musicals as implied by the title of this thread though Robertiles 08:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of current Musicals

message: What's the common factor in the rather disparate list at the end of this paragraph, please? --Old Moonraker 18:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None at all as far as I can see. An anonymous editor put it in ages back,I've removed it. -Dhodges 19:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great.  WP:BOLD! --Old Moonraker 19:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List in "Theatreland" paragraph 

message: The West End has attracted "big names" for decades - so why are only the last few years of "big names" listed?  Moreover, why are they listed at all - it makes the introduction to the article read like an advertisement.  While it may be interesting to present a List of West End performers by year, I suggest that it is moved to such an article - it's out of place here. Waggers 11:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree, in the meantime, it could be moved downpage to an appendix. The How to ... section is just a second attempt to add wikispam, this time embedded in text. I'd suggest remove it completely. Kbthompson 11:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big names 

message: Can I see references for the first paragraph?  It's probably right, but it should be referenced with inline citations.  Dr. Submillimeter 16:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References for the first paragraph 

message: I've been wondering what would count as an acceptable citation for the controversial mention of Toronto in the lead alongside New York.  There are plenty of sources that agree that Toronto is the third biggest theatre city, such as Britannica Online; there are also many other (non-academic) sites that mention London, New York, and Toronto in one breath, such as here.  Nevertheless, it would be hard to find something that would conclusively prove that any city can "represent the highest level of commercial theatre in the English-speaking world".  It is commonly accepted that this status is true for London and New York, but how can we prove (or disprove) whether it is true for another city like Toronto?  --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 05:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy with Britannica Online. As the guilty editor who added the tag without starting a discussion, I will replace it accordingly. --Old Moonraker (talk) 06:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks to User: Arctic Gnome.--Old Moonraker (talk) 06:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation needed tag for Toronto 

message: Today, I restored a list of theatrical schools that are noted for training artists for West End Theatre.  
This list had recently been cut down to include only those schools on the Conference of Drama Schools, however this is NOT representative of the vast range of skills present in the West End.
For example, musicals are amongst the West End's most profitable shows and a huge proportion of artists appearing in musicals actually do not come from drama schools, but are actualy trained  in DANCE or specifically MUSICAL THEATRE where drama is often the secondary skill.
Also, the Royal Opera House is officially reognised as a West End theatre, however there are no drama schools that supply artists for the ROYAL BALLET.  I very much doubt if the Royal Ballet School will be joining the CoDS any time in the near future, yet it is one of the 'big six' most famous ballet schools in the world and is somewhat more prestigious than say the Drama Studio London or Rose Bruford. 
In short, I have restored the original list of THEATREICAL schools, which offers a FAIR representation of notable schools in all the key skills of dance, music and drama.  If anyone would like to debate this, feel free, but you will not convince me that only drama schools are notable for inclusion in this article and if necessary I will refer the matter to a more experienced editor for their opinion.
: Firstly, "theatrical school" is an extremely marginal, to say the least, phrase that has no place in an encyclopedia; I've amended the section to "Training". When I trimmed the list, as I have again, I did so on the basis of notability; I used membership of the Conference as a criterion of notability (as established for the drama school article). This remains an appropriate criterion for this article. Your suggestion that the English National Ballet School, Royal Academy of Music and Royal Ballet School also train performers who work in West End theatre is, of course, right. Your suggestion that in musical theatre a performer's abilities in drama are secondary, though, is both alarming and out of step with high-quality professional practice in the West End; when it's good, it's not secondary. Many of the drama schools listed also train performers in musical theatre. What is needed for the article is an objective criterion to determine notability for non-drama school training institutions.  That those just mentioned are notable is indisputable (I assume). I've excluded the others on the list in lieu of a demonstration of their notability in the training of West End theatre performers. (you also need to sign your posts - four of these:~ in a row). DionysosProteus (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you can certainly keep your fantasies about me to yourself. The names are those used in the drama school article, from which they were cut and pasted; the logic of your accusation of bias is flawed. The notability criterion was established through consensus discussion among editors at the time; membership of the Conference indicates the quality of their training; that's how it is, like any other professional body in its field. It appears disingenuous of you to argue about the Royal Ballet, since I addressed that one explicitly above; perhaps you didn't read it properly? As for the rest, until notability for training West End theatre performers is demonstrated, they'll be removed. DionysosProteus (talk) 01:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

text: To follow the guideline in WP:TOPIC, the article would "contain no irrelevant (nor only loosely relevant) information".  A pretty narrow definition which, if strictly applied, would do away with the whole section altogether. Any support for this? --Old Moonraker (talk) 20:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think part of the problem here is that there's no Theatre in the United Kingdom.Amo (talk) 13:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Old Moonraker on this, we can't agree and it's only very loosely relevant, so we might as well get rid. Crazy-dancing (talk) 14:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's gone: thanks Crazy-dancing for this WP:BOLD edit. --Old Moonraker (talk) 14:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theatrical Schools 

message: After just reading through the list I was wondering why the show Avenue Q was not on this list, running for over five years in the west end (according to it's sourced wikipedia page), any particular reason?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.120.176 (talk) 17:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest running shows section outdated? 

message: Perhaps there should be a picture at the beginning, like the Broadway Wiki page has? Might make the page look a bit better s'all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.240.224 (talk) 20:53, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main image 

message: Any evidence to the contrary that this isn't a West End Theatre. Its located within London's West End sourced as new theatre in London's West End and I am not finding evidence that it isn't.Blethering Scot 13:26, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: While the venue has been removed from the list of theatres for some time, to fairly answer the question, when their own "About us" page describes the St James as "the first stop for ambitious productions with designs on the West End", then it's clear even they acknowledge that they aren't actually a West End theatre as the term is understood, even if they are close to the traditional West End Theatreland, and on the site of a former West End theatre. oknazevad (talk) 17:48, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. James Theatre 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: West End theatre producer is perenial stub lacking appropriate sourcing. Closest analog in Broadway may be the redirect Broadway production. Ost (talk) 00:27, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. Heck, I don't think there is anything really salvageable from that article and would just as soon propose deletion. There is no reason for it to ever be linked to; someone who want to include a relevant link should just link here directly in the first place. oknazevad (talk) 00:34, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the second opinion and for addressing it! —Ost (talk) 02:11, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[West End theatre producer]] into [[West End theatre]]