Talk:Re-education through labor

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: I would like to dissagree with the part that says, people were reeducated for up to 4 years. I believe that some, depending on the crimes they, or their familes had commited, spent their whole lives being reeducated.
bogdan 23:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it's a matter of how much reliable information we can find on that.  Right now I basically just have it mentioned in a single sentence, because there's not much more I've found to say about it; a lot of the sources are pretty vague about it.  I'll have to look around a little more. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 18:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I took a look at this book today and it has a lot of good stuff.  I'll try to check it out from the library tomorrow and add some yada yada to the article. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
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message: In Chinese, to be translated:
劳动教养，是从前“伟大的社会主义国家”苏联老大哥那里引进的。在前苏联，它是针对未成年人的一种刑罚，但引进我国以后变成了一种非刑罚的惩罚措施，但由 于它欠缺法律监督、程序保障，使它在实施起来，有时比刑罚还严厉。1955年8月25日，为了“肃反”的需要，当时的中共中央出台了《关于彻底肃清暗藏反 革命分子的指示》，第一次规定了劳动教养制度； 1956年1月10日，又发布了《关于各省、市应立即筹办劳动教养机构的批示》，从此劳动教养管理机构在全国建立； 1957年8月1日，经当时的全国人大常委会批准，国务院于8月3日公布了《关于劳动教养问题的决定》，这是第一部劳教法规。
从上述“劳动教养”制度出台的年代可以看出，它完全是为了当时“阶级斗争”的政治需要，其初衷是为了镇压“反革命”，不久，又成为“反右”斗争的重要工具。
http://news.boxun.com/news/gb/pubvp/2009/05/200905012354.shtml
The above article published in www.boxun.com has a lot of details:
# 在前苏联，它是针对未成年人的一种刑罚  Translate: In former Russia, this law was targeted at underage people.
# It was copied from USSR 从前“伟大的社会主义国家”苏联老大哥那里引进的
# 欠缺法律监督、程序保障，使它在实施起来，有时比刑罚还严厉 translation: lacking in legal supervision or restriction, lacking in proper legal process, when it is carried out, sometimes it can be more severe than normal penal punishment.
# 彻底肃清暗藏反 革命分子 was originally invented to cleanse hidden counter-revolutionary.
# 又成为“反右”斗争的重要工具 then become a tool for the anti-rightist movement
# 完全是为了当时“阶级斗争”的政治需要 it serves the political needs of then class struggle. Arilang   talk 23:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
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rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
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message: There is no text in the article about the Soviet Union's use of this practice. See text at reeducation. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 09:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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message: Hi
Merge Laogai here.
I think this is probably a case of ggod faith duplication, by creating articles on the same subject, but using different names. Regards, Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 09:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They are different things. Re-education through labor refers to the system of administrative detention. Laogai refers principally to the prison system, to which people are sentenced criminally.Homunculus (duihua) 13:14, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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