Talk:Kalah

message: A correct description with sample games, problems, detailed history and a longer bibliography can be found at http://mancala.wikia.com/wiki/Kalah ---84.175.151.175 (talk) 08:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct description

message: Added info on computer analysis of Kalah(6/6).
This is one of my first edits and I can't seem to get the tables formatted correctly.  I'll be back later to fix the tables after I figure out how.  MarkR27  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkR27 (talk • contribs) 22:14, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: * The game ends as soon as one row is emptied. (standard rules by Champion)
* The remaining seeds are moved to the store of the player who owns their pits.
* Can we expect to have the standard game analyzed too? The empty capture variant is non-standard, less deep and not much played.
* It is not correct that it is unusual for traditional mancala games to not have a significant first-move advantage. Dakon/Sungka/Congka is even a win in the first ply of the game. Toguz Kumalak also has a first move advantage. In Kalah (6,6) the first player can capture two seeds, while the second player can capture only one seed. In addition, the first player got the initiative and can maximize this advantage in the following moves.- 84.175.153.12 (talk) 07:27, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply to the above statements

message: I understand that that is not the game's original name, and I am not proposing that anything on the page is changed.
However, there is a page redirect from Bantumi that points here, and yet not a single mention of that word on the page. It seems a little odd to redirect wiki users and then not explain the link between what they searched for and where they ended up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.186.34.143 (talk) 15:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bantumi 

message: Both of the external links in this article appear to be broken. Sbj42 (talk) 03:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Links 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In Denmark, "Kalaha" is usually played in the (6,4) or (6,6) version with all or some of these three variant rules (even if printed rules may agree with the standard rules given in the article):
# When the last seed ends in a house that contains seeds, the turn continues by sowing all these seeds. This rule may be limited to the player's own houses, but usually does not have this limitation. With perfect play, it tilts the game even further towards a 1st-player advantage.
# A player does not empty the opposite house when ending in an empty house of one's own (probably making the game a little less tilted).
# At the end of the game, the remaining seeds go into the store of the player who has emptied all stores rather than into the opponent's store (improving a bit on the chances for a player who is far behind).
E.g., rule 1 and 2 are assumed here: "How to win every time", where as rule 3 is unspecified but irrelevant as the article explains how player 1 may score more than half the sseeds in the first round of the (6,6) game!
Now, if these variants are Danish only, they probably do not deserve to be mentioned in the article. But does anyone else know these variants? And perhaps even have sources (more appropriate than the newspaper article I link to)?--Nø (talk) 10:34, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  As played in Denmark... 

message: In this edit, User:Ettrig changed this:
:A solved game for most of its variations, with first-player win with perfect play.
into
:Kalah is a solved game for most of its variations. That is, if both players play perfectly, the first player wins.
But there is, I believe, no argument why all solvable Kalah variants must be first-player wins, though there are obvious reasons why it a priori is more likely than a 2nd-player win. I believe something like this would be more defendable:
:For most of its variations, Kalah is a solved game with a first-player win if both players play perfect games.
--Nø (talk) 08:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. (I still think my expansion is in line with what was intended. But strictly i changes the meaning, and that was not my intention.) --Ettrig (talk) 09:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  First player wins? 

message: I removed the mention of the oldest Mancala board being found in Cheops. This seems tangential to the topic of this article (that sort of info is better suited to the Mancala article... now, it also seems at odds with the info in Mancala#History, but, again, that debate is better suited to the talk page of the relevant article), and also because of the citation used - "exhibit at Lawrence Hall of Science, Berkeley CA; October 2022". I've never seen a museum exhibit being used as a citation before... That can't be a reliable source, right? Given how often museums cycle their exhibits, it seems impossible to verify.
HumbleSolipsist1 (talk) 06:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  comment about mancala at Cheops? 

message: this archived blog post says that the pdp-1 implementation of kalah was the "first remotely played computer game." If that's the case, it's definitely worth including in Kalah#Video game implementation, but I'd like a better source than a blog post. Something to keep an eye out for.
HumbleSolipsist1 (talk) 23:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  first remotely played computer game?