Talk:Economy of Canada

message: What a load of "spin." I can see that here too, I shall have to write the facts with a NPOV....DW
I second that, too much Heritage gospel, actually as with most economy sections in the English wikipedia to countries  84.56.66.64 (talk) 04:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: The article opens with that.  I don't understand it.  The prime meridian goes through Greenwich in the UK.  I'm not sure if there is something special in the use of the word "representative democracy" but as far as I can tell: The UK itself, Iceland, Portugal, France, Spain, and Ireland all fit the bill as well.  I could understand 'in the Americas' I guess... but somehow, I don't understand why the U.S. is left out.   Some political point?  Doesn't seem NPOV, or even factual.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.211.133.128 (talk) 16:42, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  only representative democracy in the western hemisphere ? 

message: The current poverty line statistic used by this page is the basic needs measure published by the Fraser Institute. The main previous statistic used was the low-income cut off published by Statistics Canada. The LICO is widely used as a poverty line indicator by relavent groups (and identified as one), though its intent is not to serve this purpose.
Information available here: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2001/07/23/poverty010723.html
The basic needs measure does not have a similar level of usage as a poverty line measure. I have reverted the statistic used to the LICO, because this is more widely used, until further debate and analysis can be done to decide which metric is more appropriate for this article.
:As explained in the poverty in Canada article, Statistics Canada has abdicated the role of producing any poverty measure.  The Fraser Institute does produce a poverty threshold metric.  It is quite common for left-wing groups in Canada to misquote a statistic produced by Statistics Canada, called the low-income cut-off rate, as a poverty measure because it is quite high relative to the poverty threshold approach.  To exaggerate the point further, groups also quote StatsCan's pre-tax measure rather the after-tax measure, even though StatsCan favours the use of the after-tax measure for obvious reasons.  All-in-all, this results in more than tripling the figure from the poverty threshold approach to the pre-tax relative income StatsCan measure. An IP address is now trying to reinsert the pre-tax LICO figure into this article, even though they are aware of the dynamics above as they have also edited the Poverty in Canada article, thus implying that Canada (a wealthy country with many social programs) has more poverty than countries like Columbia, Syria, and Thailand in the Wikipedia poverty list. Of course the Fraser Institute can't compete with StatsCan, but the extent of use is less relevant than whether the measure is on point or not.  StatsCan itself says their measure is not. Deet (talk) 23:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Using a metric designed by StatsCan that StatsCan itself is not a poverty measure is just plain wrong. The CBC article you quote is incomplete and does not even compare the two measures. According to the Statistics Canada article they are possibly the best statistical orgianization in the world and their opinions on their own metric should trump that of the CBC hands down. Deet (talk) 10:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poverty Line 

message: The economy of each province is very very different. This article should be broken down into provinces eventually. There is already an article on the Economy of Quebec. Are there articles for the other regions? -- Mathieugp 15:22, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken down into provinces 

message: The information herein is of utmost difficulty to procure on any other site. Very accurate and informative! I am very pleased with what I have learned! -----CANADA
Excuse me, same-sex marriage legislation has had an effect on Canada-US trade?  What a load of crap.
:No kidding.  This article needs some work, there are sentences that go nowhere and sentences that repeat and sentences that are just stupid or are flaky unbased opinions.  128.62.91.81 22:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful information! 

message: The lumber dispute between the countries is not based on Canadian subsidies.  The dispute is about higher quality Canadian lumber being slapped with a 29% tariff by the US government  in order to prop up or (yes!) subsidize their own lumber industry.  That Canadian lumber is subsidized is also a very well-known myth north of the border .  There is also an American group who recognizes that US consumers are the ones getting a raw deal for this  and the ones profitting at their expense is the US lumber industry.
I agree Jacknife737 00:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Softwood lumber dispute incredibly US-biased 

message: Since the softwood lumber dispute has been settled (at least legally), I do not think it should say current or ongoing or that the US industry is claiming anything. Better to say something like, "Past disputes such as the softwood lumber dispute have caused tension between the countries." Bw022 17:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Softwood lumber dispute 

message: I'm planning to add a section under political issues about the Canadian governmental debt, because it really is a major political/economic topic.  Any feedback? I'll add it as soon as possible. Theonlyedge 12:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Governmental Debt 

message: I have not done it this minute, but I will be changing the level of exports to the figure for 2005 as according to stats Canada and cited to the CBC, of $516.4 Billion Dollars.--24.222.65.32 19:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exports 

message: The new facts appearently have been released on Canadian Investments around the world.
*Barbados: CANADA INVESTING BILLIONS - July 10, 2006: Barbados Advocate daily newspaper
CaribDigita 19:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact remains: if the Can. economy sneezes, B'dos catches a cold 

message: The overview states that "Canada is a free market economy with slightly more government intervention than the United States, but much less than most European nations."  Can someone tell me how these assessments have been measured?  Absent some supporting material rooted in a set of criteria enjoying wide consensus, this sounds to me like one of those things supposedly "everyone knows" but which might prove more complicated than it first appears.
In addition, I'm not sure the word "intervention" isn't inherently POV, inasmuch as it appears to portray an authority or outside agent inserting itself into a sphere of activity in which it is not a natural participant.  I agree that this is a widely-held view of government's role in the economy, but it's hardly a neutral one.  The term used to describe such activity ought to be, however, and I'd propose "participation" as a less value-laden alternative to "intervention". --Rrburke 21:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  The intro reads like a grade 8 research paper.  It should contain only hard facts, not vague observations.  TastyCakes 22:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gov't "intervention" in the [[Canada#Economy|Economy]] 

message: Like why are we using 2003 Debt figures.  At the end of the fiscal 2005 the Canadian Government Debt stood at 488 billion. This article is grossly out of date. --Meanie 16:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why are the numbers out of date

message: Isn't it ironic that it's only A-class here but FA on Portuguese Wikipedia? After all, a fair bit of us live in Canada. Zeratul En Taro Adun!So be it. 22:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really.  You look at any important article related to Canada, and there's always inter-language link to a great Portuguese equivalent.  It suspect it's the work a dedicated handful of Portugese-speaking Canadians who love to show off their adopoted land.  I belive even Rush (band) was a FA on Portuguese WP.  More power to them I say, whish we had more like them on DE, ES, RU, ZH, etc.  Kevlar67 03:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irony 

message: * It would be nice to quantify the economic contribution of energy, oil, logging, etc. -- Beland 21:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quantification requests 

message: I was curious about Canada's national debt-to-GDP ratio, because I've read before that it was getting better. I have found two references: , which claims to be OECD numbers, but are released by the Canadian government (I do not have access to OECD data from their web site), and the CIA World Factbook (direct link by googling it: . The two ratios are 30.2% (OECD, federal+provincial) or 65.4% (CIA).
That is a really large difference. It should be explained in the article, because these are two very important sources. The OECD source concludes that Canada is, by far, the least indebted G7 nation, while CIA concludes that Canada is the most indebted.
If nobody explains it, I'll get the ball rolling by changing the numbers in the article. No doubt some interested party will then rise to the defense of the CIA world factbook.
Loisel 05:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dug around some more. There's something funny about the statistics, and so I've updated the article accordingly. At , you can clearly see that the OECD claims Canada's debt-to-gdp ratio is ~70%. At , you can read the Canadian government claiming that, according to OECD standards, its debt-to-gdp ratio is ~30%. Someone's lying, but I guess this article is not the place to debate that. Loisel 20:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, the final result of my looking around is this. Apparently, the Canadian government likes to talk about net financial liability (30.2% per OECD), whereas everyone else talks about gross financial liability (68% per OECD). I think they like the 30.2% figure because then can then claim to be the least indebted G8 country, and the 68% makes them look like one of the worst.  Loisel 00:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extremely large discrepancy, CIA world factbook vs OECD & Canadian government 

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message: Why is the economic comparison table in a template?  I can't figure out how to edit it...  I'd like to edit it because I don't like it much.  Why is California shown?  Shouldn't it be the richest (New Jersey) and the poorest (Mississippi) household income states shown?  And shouldn't the richest and poorest province income be shown for comparison?  Also, the exchange rates seem wrong.  Bank of Canada lists the average 2006 exchange rate to have been 1.134 CAD/USD.  Can only guess how screwed up the other countries ones are.  I'm also not a huge fan of doing it by PPP, I think nominal is less subjective...  But perhaps the table could have both?  Anyway, can someone tell me how to edit a template?  Otherwise I'm going to delete the whole thing and insert my own table.  TastyCakes (talk) 18:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Economic Comparison Table

message: Is it true that Canada is largely free of subsidies?  Because I read a news article not long ago that said very  much the opposite, that most farms would not survive without subsidies and import tariffs. Is there a source for this claim?  TastyCakes (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Further internet poking has come up with these links: urban renaissance, witiger.com, both of which state Canadian farmers receive significant subsidies, something on the order of $3 for every $1 profit from the farmer.  TastyCakes (talk) 17:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This government of Canada site seems to provide the bottom line: , subsidies do exist and are significant in Canada, so I'm gonna change the article.  TastyCakes (talk) 17:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Agriculture

message: Is it too early to add this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090305.weufreetrad0305/BNStory/politics/home ?
Canationalist (talk) 01:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too early? 

message: The intro to this article is far too long and includes minute details such as the recent change in NL's unemployment rate that really belong down below. Anyone care to tackle the cleanup? phreakydancin (talk) 19:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: Here is a citation showing the GDP contribution of resource industries is roughly 6%:
http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/gdps04a-eng.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.204.8.149 (talk) 04:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industry contribution to GDP 

message: the exchange rate changes every day and the gdp listed is an estimate for 2010 (the year isn't finished).  According to cnn money Canada's gdp is $1.6 trillion in US dollars.  Should the gdp just be left in Canadian dollars (1.6 trillion) since the 2 currencies are at almost the same rate ?Grmike (talk) 07:37, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Should the 2010 GDP be shown in USD or just Canadian dollars ?

message: Lets add budget surplus/deficit data. :) We could then perhaps add it to when which party was in power? Or hey, any kind of graph would be fine :)
1997-98 budget - $3.5 billion 
1998-99 budget - $2.9 billion 
*2002 budget - CD $7.0 billion surplus
*2003 budget - CD $9.1 billion surplus
*2004 budget - CD $1.5 billion surplus
*2005 budget - CD $13.2 billion surplus 
*2006 budget - CD $13.8 billion surplus 
*2007 budget - CD $9.6 billion surplus
*2008 budget - CD $1.1 billion deficit
*2009 budget - CD $55.6 billion deficit
*2010 budget - CD $40.5 billion deficit
*2011 budget - CD $29.6 billion deficit
(LAz17 (talk) 04:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While surplus and deficit data is important you seem to be attempting to make some sort of political message by wishing to include the power. The party in power at the time has much less to do with the surplus or deficit than the economy landscape existing at that particular date. If people wish to know which party was in power during that date they can easily look that information up themselves. Rukaribe (talk) 17:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  budget figures 

message: This information (and the map) looks a bit old. I think some of the trade agreements have now come into force. Does anyone have any references? Akiracee (talk) 17:09, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free Trade Agreements 

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thread_title:  External links 

message: "In 2009 9001% of Canada's exports went to the United States, and 420% of Canada's imports were from the United States."
These numbers are not possible (>100%) and the source listed does not back them up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:72:0:1429:5D65:372C:A6CF:3B2C (talk) 14:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
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message: How so? What do landlords produce? It's just reshuffling money among Canadians; how can it be part of the gross domestic product? There is no wealth produced: someone is getting rich at someone else's expense.  It's like a tax. The landlord is like a government, and rent is like a tax paid for occupying a space that is under the jurisdiction of the government.  Why don't we count the CCRA as an industry? They also "make" money by extracting it from others, like landlords.  Your property taxes are like rent; why don't we count city property taxes as part of the GDP? 24.85.175.81 (talk) 05:07, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real estate rental is a GDP-contributing industry? 

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message: The Economy of Canada wiki page is obviously biased painting a better picture of Canada than the truth. Be aware that Wikipedia may represent a grossly biased viewpoint. 
Some of the false advertising (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising) is obvious:
* "one of" the global leaders of the entertainment software industry - One of how many?
* "energy superpower" - Canada is 5th largest exporter of oil, however the vast majority of oil comes from the middle east.
* "world's third largest proven petroleum reserves" - No mention of the quality or marketability of the oil reserves.
* "high standard of living and quality of life" - A relative term. Relative to which countries?
* "highly developed mixed economy" - We have a very stilted economy in favor of a few players and only 3 industries.
* "political institutions, distinct from most other countries in the world" - How distinct. We are roughly similar politically to many developed nations including Australia, New Zealand, UK and even the USA. Much of our political decisions follow the United States, our largest trading partner. 
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