Talk:Conor Murphy

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message: :I edited this article to add Murphy's UK, but now an Irish nationalist editor has censored this, presumably for political/ideological reasons. This is extremely petty. Why the need to censor facts about which editors are uncomfortable. Murphy, born in the UK, is a UK citizen and the article should say so. Mooretwin (talk) 12:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The onus is on the editor adding content to prove also please remain civil or you will be reported and blocked. BigDuncTalk 09:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By that logic, no-one has "proved" that Murphy is Irish, therefore reference to his nationality should be removed altogether. As regards "proof" of his UK citizenship, here you go:  http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/Britishcitizenship/borninukorqualifyingterritory/ Mooretwin (talk) 11:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not been uncivil, so there is no need to threaten me with being reported or blocked. Mooretwin (talk) 11:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Words such as POV censorship and that my edits are  presumably for political/ideological reasons are uncivil and don't assume good faith. Also can't find Connor Murphy on that article so the link is useless. He has an Irish passport so is Irish. Prove that he has not renounced his uk citizenship if you want to add it.  BigDuncTalk 11:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how they are uncivil. It genuinely seems to me that the censorship of reference to Murphy's UK citizenship must be motivated by an Irish nationalist POV (i.e. seeking to deny the reality of NI's membership of the UK due to opposition of said status). In deference to your sensitivity, however, I've changed the title of this discussion.Mooretwin (talk) 11:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

text: There's no need to find reference to Murphy in the article. Murphy was born in the UK before 1983 and the article says that means he's a UK citizen. It's straightforward to work out therefore that Murphy is a UK citizen. No-one's denying that he is Irish. Mooretwin (talk) 11:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Prove it then that he hasn't renounced it. BigDuncTalk 11:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're turning the conventions of logic on their head. You appear to be suggesting that Murphy has renounced his UK citizenship. If you can "prove" it, then I'll happily agree to the reference being dropped from the article.  In the meantime, the logical assumption is that he is a UK citizen. Mooretwin (talk) 11:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not addiding it you are so again the onus is on the editor adding content to prove it. BigDuncTalk 11:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did "prove" it. See 11.38 above. Mooretwin (talk) 12:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationality: censorship

message: Hi Valenciano, why do you describe the categories you restored as "relevant"? They're not even accurate. Murphy's nationality is Irish and he was sentenced for explosives possession and IRA membership. Gob Lofa (talk) 11:02, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's too vague, it's POV and it's a word to avoid. Gob Lofa (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying that someone is a terrorist is POV, saying that someone was convicted of terrorist offences is not. The category is fully relevant. Valenciano (talk) 20:34, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling them 'terrorism charges' is POV. Gob Lofa (talk) 20:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it isn't. The legislation which made IRA membership illegal and under which people, including Murphy, were charged is The Prevention of Terrorism Act 1974. The category is fully relevant. Valenciano (talk) 00:11, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Then it needs to be renamed. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:25, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Anything to add as you launch your next edit war, Snowded? Gob Lofa (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You are the one trying to make a change against consensus not me ----Snowded TALK 15:07, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No-one's objecting to the removal of the POV category until we have a more accurate one except you. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:14, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Snowded, I'm not sure you're right about the qualifications for entry to that category; see Talk: Eamon de Valera. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:03, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you seek clarification at the category talk page.   I might not be correct, but its how I read it.  So best to take it the community, not just deal with individual talk pages ----Snowded TALK 00:09, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed you may not. You're pretty generous with suggestions that don't seem to reflect your own approach, though. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:13, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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