Talk:Slayer/Archive 1

message: I think the slayer is the fuckin' relegious band, they are pure thrash metal wich this band is the biggest thrash band around the world.I have no words to discribe them.Bye.
82.114.95.6 08:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Band

message: In the section on Nazi accusations, it says Rick Rubin is Jewish. While in the Angel of Death article, it states he has Jewish roots. The article on Rick Rubin doesn't state anything about his religion or racial heritage that I can see. So, which is it? Caciss 13:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: On Rick Rubin

message: One of the members of slayer attended Bell High school. I do not recall which one.
If they met each other at a high school it would belong here, but if only one member went to that high-school you could at it to his wikipedia page. You will also need a source to back this up. M3tal H3ad 07:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bell High School

message: "This EP is exclusive to Hot Topic and will not be available anywhere else."
I'm very certain that is not true. It's aviable in lots of stores!
Nope, only 5,000 copies through exclusively through hot topic. Remember this is Eternal Pyre, not Christ Illusion. M3tal H3ad 07:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hot Topic

message: I happened to read the Nazi edit before the revert. I just thought I'd chime in on why I think the revert was a good decision, though I didn't do it. Personally, being a long time Slayer fan and having had seen them 20 times in cocnert, I have never heard the Nazi criticism leveled on them. Even in Germany, where I saw them twice, where there is a hyper-sensitivity to all things Nazi, I never encountered that criticism. In their defense anyway, describing someone as a "sadistic butcher", as Slayer describes Mengele in "Angel Of Death" is hardly an endorsement. Further, when you read the lyrics to "Behind The Crooked Cross" you see that they are as critical of the Nazi program as anyone.
Metal bands, due to the graphic subject matter in their songs, are continually maligned for positions they have never taken. No one has ever claimed that George Romero advocates raising the dead to feed on the living because of his zombie movies. Creating art about something is not the same as advocating it. If the christian bible describes the exploits of Satan, it doesn't make it Satanic. Because of all that, adding baseless criticisms to this article is pointless.TheChin! 13:53, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: About the nazi and racial stuff, since when hispanic (you know it comes from "Spain") ancestry forbids you of being a nazi sympathizer? "He's not caucasian so he can't be racist" but being racist is disliking other races, what does caucasians have to do with anything? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.66.178.80 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: On the Nazi revert

message: Aren't they playing death metal, instead of trash? Or at least trash/death? ;)
They have influenced the Death metal, but they do not play it.--Agurzil 23:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Death? ;)

message: It's getting rather ridiculous. I think Buffy the Vampire Slayer at least should be removed, because why would one search for an article called Slayer if they wanted to find an article about that show? Seems an unecessary disambiguation. Slayers is okay, I guess, but I wouldn't mind if it was removed either. --Dalkaen 21:02, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
: Seems simpler to start using using  - I've started the new page and moved over the paragraph of alternate Slayers. nae'blis (talk) 23:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. I would have done that myself if I'd known about it. --DalkaenT/C 02:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dablink

message: In my mind, Slayer is in every concievable way the same as Death Metal except for two factors. 1: Clean vocals 2: Popularity. I think this should be addressed a little more in regards to classifying Slayer.
:Their lyrical content may reach death metal levels of brutality, but the music itself is missing several key elements. Death growling, of course, as well as blast beats, are absent. They were an inspiration to death metal, but not death metal themselves, I don't think. --DalkaenT/C 07:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Slayer is Thrash Metal. They might be an inspiration for many Death Metal bands (or indeed, for any genre, in an ideal world), but they are most certainly not DM.Shandolad 15:22, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this really a thrash band

message: As far as I can tell, the discography repeated on each member's page is identical to the one here (or should be). Someone more of a Slayerologist than I is welcome to step in, but I think this should follow IainP's lead on Megadeth and Anthrax in splitting out the discography into its own page at Slayer discography, or just maintaining it here in this section. Individual side projects should still be listed for each member, but we're asking for redundancy errors this way. Any objections? -- nae'blis (talk) 14:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in the middle of a database redesign here at work, so if you've got the time/inclination, you're the greater expert on this sort of transfer. i was going to wait a week or so to make sure there wasn't anything funny about this list. -- nae'blis (talk) 16:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gimme a day or so. We're doing conversions at work at the moment and some muppet's decided to schedule 5 in two weeks. Meant to be one per week... IainP (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: discography

message: Modified from the Iron Maiden (featured article) template, hope its popular, if not, revert --PopUpPirate 00:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Footer template

message: Saying that they wouldn't be considered white by white supremacists seems pretty silly for two reasons. First, plenty of Latin Americans are white in the same way many Americans are white; they have European ancestry. Second, the caveat is unsourced. Has the band itself argued this? have their defenders? If so, it should be sourced. Until then, I deleted it. 69.209.196.144 20:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But surely if it is a rumour then it cannot be classed as fact and hence breaks the NPOV. I've yet to hear any rumours that make me believe they are a racist group. Paul Tew 14:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "They arent considered white by white supremesists for the simple reason that Latin Americans usually have non-hispanic ancestors, including the natives the spanish found in south america, and especially black ancestors, which gives them the darker skin. So they aren't considered white. In fact, if you arent 100% european ancestry, you arent considered white by them."
What the hell are you talking about? Latin Americans ARE white. They come from Europe, they're white. VelvetKevorkian 07:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Latin American and White Supremacy

message: I added a disputed tag to the Violation of Innocence section. Not sourced and there is no evidence this group exists. Group is on AfD, if it is deleted, this section should be removed.--Isotope23 20:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: S'fine. Given that the topic is "ultra-secret" or whatever, I'd be curious as to the sources of it. However, I just tidied up the spelling and left it as-is for someone else to query. Thank you for volunteering ;) IainP (talk) 12:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed Tag

message: Changed "change the way slayer was written" to "alter the Slayer logo"
:I barely noticed that they'd done that. The copy of the album I have comes in a black cardboard sleeve with the normal CD and case inside. The outer sleeve has the original Slayer logo in thin white print and that's the image that stuck with me for the album. IainP (talk) 09:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor edit

message: "An argument is made against these theories both by Slayer's supporters and what seems to be definitive proof that these critics are wrong in their accusations."
* both by... the fans (the supporters), and...?
Another thing: it is ok to expect from a fan or from supporters to think. But at the same time it is wrong to sing about a 'hot topic' without elaborating it... at least a bit. I understand that Slayer, as a band spreading whatever 'message' they have, probably isn't racist but for the sake of all the idiot racists who listen to Slayer thinking 'hell yeah!', they need to be adressed. Good to read that Tom spoke out about what he thought was obvious from the beginning: that not specifically accusing Mengele in 'Angel of Death' - but simply projecting the horror of... it/him - isn't a lack of accusation in his opinion. LIllIi 23:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ahm

message: Well, we all love Slayer, but is this really worth it's place? If they manage to collect five hundred thousand rabid slayer fans and smash up a city, then it might be relevant to Wikipedia, but I'd doubt that the current entry is. I say remove. Shandolad 15:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: National Day of Slayer?

message: My addition to the article was deleted the second time now.
Even when it was deleted there was no explaination why.
First of all is the described behaviour a fact that can be observed on several occasions. The german Slayer Article reports about this too. As a matter of fact this i not just a european beavior as i experienced it by myself even in Baltimore, MD. I really don't see a reason why something like this shouldnt be on the english wikipedia too
By now i will add the few lines and if there going to be deleted again i would really appreciate if somebody could tell me why.
--NackteElfe 16:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We do need a published/"reputable" source for this (I'm not saying you're not being honest, NackteElfe, just that we need some way to back it up outside ourselves). The best thing I acn think of is that it figures largely in the start of the first track on Disc 1 of Decade of Aggression. Anybody got anything better from a concert review in a magazine, maybe? -- nae'blis (talk) 16:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: well i tried to do some reserch with google but is kinda hard to find evidence
Here is a Portland Mecury article (never heard of them though ;)) http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?oid=32106&category=22187
And heres a british forum with a discussion about the behavior http://www.bloodstock.uk.com/_bs2/community/viewtopic.php?t=4407&start=30&sid=e2412454c9f958a7d20a763fc62ebad1
Of course is a forum not a really reliable source but it would be a lot of work to fake a discussion like this.
And the only other proof i have is the german wikipedia where this behavior is described for a long time and had never been removed...
Wish i had more ;)
--NackteElfe 17:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well i am probably not the only one who knows about people calling slayer... Somebody just added some information to my text. ;) --NackteElfe 21:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shouting Slayer @ Festivals

message: I just went through and revamped the entire page. There are still some grammatical miscues and POV issues, but I think most of the major problems are gone. Personally I think the "Current" subheader should be incorporated into "History," but I'll leave that up for debate. Wangoed 13:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV