Talk:Azerbaijan International

message: User:Rmky87, I don't quite get why you deleted this version. And what exactly do you mean by "unwikified text"? It is perfectly in line with Wikipedia requirements. Zondi 08:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Questioning deletion

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thread_title: File:Ali nino research.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: What is your rationale for deleting the cover of the magazine!!!!????? There are many magazines which include a cover of the magazine on the page that describes them. What is the reason? It seems very unreasonable to me and not honest. Like you just want to hit on us. Explain. You simply reverted. I don't see any valid reason. And the magazine has offices in Los Angeles and Baku so why can't the flags of both nationalities be shown. You reversion does not reflect the reality. Gizgalasi (talk) 03:30, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to stop editing this article, as you have a definite POV about it and are attempting to own it, which is against Wikipedia policy. I have restored many of the changes I made to the infobox, but have kept the magazine cover, moving it into the body of the article.Continuing to edit this article is likely to end up badly for you, considering your serious conflict of interest regarding the magazine which prevents you from being objective about other editor contributions to it. Please read the COI policy and follow its suggestions: do not edit the article yourself, but make suggestions here on the article's talk page for other editors to consider.  Failure to do so in the face of the complaints of other editors is not looked upon well by the Wikipedia community. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  This magazine is produced and goes by volume numbers - The photo shown is Vol. 14:1 (Spring 2006). You show it to be #141. That is not correct. Please show it to be Vol. 14:1 (Spring 2006).You have been so sensitive to show all points of view related to Ali and Nino. So why did you delete the statement about AI's research. What is the basis for deletion? The conclusions of Azerbaijan International differ substantially from those of Tom Reiss, author of The Orientalist, who concluded that Lev Nussimbaum was the sole author of the novel Ali and Nino. Why can't that stand as you had left it before? Gizgalasi (talk) 04:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I will correct 141 to 14:1. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting cover photo of magazine 

message: Thanks for  linking the magazine Azerbaijan International to other larger categories - Primarily, Azerbaijan International is an English-language magazine about Azerbaijan. There are a few exceptions when an occasional article is made available in Azerbaijani. And very exceptionally the last issue AI 15:2-4 was published in two volumes - English and Azerbaijani The upcoming 16:1-2 which will also be published in two separate editions . So I don't know if identifying it as an  Azerbaijani language publication is really accurate. You decide. Gizgalasi (talk) 20:54, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magazine categories 

message: As requested: In regard to the credibility of this magazine - here are awards from state level - US GOVT and AZERBAIJAN GOVT to vouch for the influence of the magazine. Also some other recognitions. 
1. Uniqueness of Azerbaijan International
President of Azerbaijan Heydar Aliyev in 2007 organized an event to recognize the 5th Jubilee of Azerbaijan International. His full speech is here. It was a two-hour televised event. Cabinet Ministers as well as Members of Parliament were in attendance. See photos
http://azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/54_folder/54_articles/54_aijubilee.html
PRESIDENT HEYDAR ALIYEV - November 20, 1997. 
"In this respect, special words must be said about Azerbaijan International. Categorically, we must acknowledge that among the publications which are being produced in different countries, no other publication has been able to describe the situation of Azerbaijan so accurately, so completely, so optimistically and so attractively.
"It is interesting that neither our state organizations nor our social organizations have created this magazine. The creators of this magazine are people who love Azerbaijan. They are friends of Azerbaijan who genuinely care about our country. This publication is the brainchild of two people-Betty Blair and Pirouz Khanlou. One of them is American, the other is Azeri. Through their personal initiative and selfless labor, they have created this magazine which has attained an incredibly high standard. I greatly value their initiative and the work they have done these past five years. I respect their attitude towards Azerbaijan, their friendship and the enormous efforts that they have made for our country. 
"This magazine proves that when people are committed from the bottom of their hearts, and when they really care about what they're doing, they can achieve their goals. There are so many publications and social organizations in Azerbaijan. We have so many newspapers, magazines and books. But which of them can be compared to Azerbaijan International? Who can bring their publication and show that theirs is equal to Azerbaijan International? No one can. If there are any, please come and show us...."
2. International Herald Tribune, June 5, 2000
"Undoubtedly, Azerbaijan's best Web site. Cultural issues dominate this lavishly illustrated site." Describing AZER.com which archives Azerbaijan International magazine's articles from 1993. 
3. Named "Best Magazine of the Year in Azerbaijan" (May 2007) by Azerbaijani New Writers and Artists. Award bestowed upon Azerbaijan International magazine for "promotion of Azerbaijani history, literature, culture and realities throughout the world
4. US EMBASSY AWARDS AZERBAIJAN INTERNATIONAL MAGAZINE with their highest honor. 
US EMBASSY in BAKU - highest annual award for development of relations between the USA and Azerbaijan was bestowed on Azerbaijan International in 2009 (July 3). People making special contribution in development of bilateral relations between the USA and Azerbaijan are awarded with this premium. The US Embassy Award was founded in 2008. Azerbaijani former ambassador to the USA Hafiz Pashayev received the first award in 2008. Azerbaijan International Magazine received the second annual award - 2009. Certificate of Award reads: “for bringing Azerbaijani Culture to America via Azerbaijan International and working tireless to build lasting bridges between the United States and Azerbaijan Through Cultural, Humanitarian and Educational Exchanges." 
<http://biweekly.ada.edu.az/news/20090703050651252.html>http://biweekly.ada.edu.az/news/20090703050651252.html
Baku,Azerbaijan-On July 1, Betty Blair and Pirouz Khanlou, founders of Azerbaijan International magazine, were awarded the Hafiz Pashayev Award by Ambassador Anne Derse and Deputy Foreign Minister Hafiz Pashayev at the U.S. Ambassador’s residence. At the reception held in honor of the recipients, Ambassador Derse highlighted the role and importance of Azerbaijan International magazine in increasing understanding of Azerbaijani culture in the U.S. and the rest of the world in the 16 years since its founding in 1993.
Azerbaijan International magazine established four websites, each dedicated to Azerbaijan’s culture, music and art. 
<http://www.azer.com/>www.azer.com
<http://www.azeri.org/>www.azeri.org
<http://www.hajibeyov.com/>www.hajibeyov.com
<http://www.azgallery.org/>www.azgallery.org
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5. More than 300 links from Wikipedia link to Azerbaijan International magazine.
Gizgalasi (talk) 22:20, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credibility of Azerbaijan International magazine 

message: The article has been trimmed, for apparent good reason. However, what's left is merely an advertisement of Betty Blair's particular take on the Ali and Nino authorship, and what seems to me a veiled effort to sell those issues of the magazine. In fact, if I may say so, this seems to be the sole reason this Wikipedia article was created, by the magazine's editor/publisher: to stir up business for the only issues of the magazine likely to be sensationalistic, which articles themselves were a thinly veiled effort to capitalize on, and rebut, Tom Reiss's effective and logical research findings on the A&N authorship in his nonfiction book, The Orientalist.
 
What do I recommend to counter this advertising? That the image of the A&N issue be deleted. That the A&N material be curtailed and minimized and removed of all POV (which the COI editor who wrote this Wiki article has placed in it). In fact, I'm not sure we need anything about A&N in this article at all -- it's all just arguments to further the editor/publisher's COI agenda. Softlavender (talk) 06:28, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current version of article 

message: The comment above by Soft Lavendar is not based on fact that the Wikipedia article about Azerbaijan International magazine was created to promote a specific issue of the magazine. The Wikipedia page about Azerbaijan International was created long before the Ali and Nino research was ever begun. And all issues of the magazine - 15 years - not just the one about authorship may be purchased on their website. Before one calls the research about Ali and Nino "sensationalist",  one should read it. Why does it have nearly 1,000 footnotes if it is sensationalist? The research is much deeper and more comprehensive than Reiss's in The Orientalist. Clearly, those making comments about the contents of the magazine do NOT know it. Nor do they really know in depth how much fiction is embroidered into Reiss's book. 
Tom Reiss carried out very little research about the Chamanzamanli link in Azerbaijan. He quickly dismissed this author without studying him. He only mentions him twice in his entire 400 plus pages of his book. Reiss's research in Azerbaijan was extremely weak. And he himself admits that he returned to Baku to interview the sons of Chamanzaminli AFTER he had published the New Yorker article in 1999 . In other words, he checked out other points of authorship very superficially once he had a potential contract in hand for a book about Essad Bey. So why would he want to contradict anything that he had already printed in the New Yorker? He was invited to go to the Institute of Manuscripts in Baku which archives a huge collection of Chamanzaminli's materials. And Reiss did not show up. Azerbaijani scholars were waiting for him.
Furthermore, the research that was carried out by Azerbaijan International magazine shows a much more complex picture of the authorship of Ali and Nino and about the context of times in Europe when thousands of refugees were streaming into the capital cities of Europe. It is clear that the authorship question is much more complex than the single authorship of Lev Nussimbaum / Essad Bey. It has been proven in Georgia that major chapters relating to Tbilisi and Iran have been plagiarized from Georgian writer Grigol Robakidze. Also Austrian baronness Elfriede Ehrenfels played a major role in registering the novel with German authorities once the Anshchluss in Austria took place. The research from Azerbaijan International acknowledges these complexities but it traces the major ideas of the novel to Yusif Vazir Chamanzaminli (1887-1943).
Even the question of 16 books coming out under the name of Essad Bey in 8 years (1929 to 1936) should sound alarm bells. Clearly Essad Bey was working more as a broker than a creator of many of those books. His agent even warned him - "Not to be so prolific, and to take a year off between books". That was after the agent passed three books to him - US President Harding, Turkish Enver Pasha and Russian Peter the Great. Essad Bey added and embellished texts - the research shows that he was particularly adept at fantasizing about legends and folkloric material (who could contradict him in Europe about remote Eurasian or Russian territories?). Study any of the texts of the 16 books under Essad Bey and one will see those books are very different from each other. Even a review published in the New York Times points out discrepancies in the book about Stalin that was published under Essad Bey's name. Publishers were using his name to boost sales - "The Business of Literature".
Absolutely the magazine image of the issue featuring Ali and Nino authorship should stand. An article about a magazine should include covers of the magazine. And the material about AN should stand. This is the point of view of the magazine and it should be expressed there in the article that describes the magazine. Reiss and his cohorts have already made enormous changes to the Ali and Nino article. Reiss himself has added more than 3,500 words himself. Gizgalazi
:Every single major contributor to the article (mainly the COI editor above and an IP address), has been an SPA editor focused exclusively or nearly exclusively on this magazine and/or also on Ali & Nino . None of the Ali & Nino material is reliable or relevant to this Wikipedia article, and it has clearly been added as a WP:SOAPBOX. It needs to be removed, beyond a short single-sentence mention, and the Wikipedia article should be solely about the magazine and sourced from independent reliable sources. Softlavender (talk) 08:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research about Ali and Nino Absolutely Should Stand 

message: Azerbaijan International is a magazine, not a journal. There is no need for any comment in the article about "no peer review". Funding for the publication from its inception in 1993 has been via advertisements - major international companies working in Azerbaijan -  which are clearly shown in each issue. It is not funded by the Azerbaijani government. Gizgalasi (talk) 01:35, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Gizgalasi, you are free to make requests for edits (like the ones above) on this Talk page, but you are NOT free to edit the article yourself, because of your extreme conflict of interest. You have been told this before, but you continue to edit the article, and other articles in which you have a conflict of interest. In order to avoid a block or a ban on your ability to post at all on Wikiedia, even on Talk pages, you need to avoid editing these articles. If you make an edit request on a Talk page, other editors will examine your request and decide whether to make it or not based on Wikipedia policies and verifiable reliable sources. Softlavender (talk) 07:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azerbaijan International is a magazine