Talk:Sexual abuse/Archive 1

message: Removed from the article, for lack of reference: 
:In ancient China, young girls often had their feet bound in a manner that caused the big toe to stick out.  The enlarged toe served as a substitute penis for the girl.  Some ancient Chinese texts describe using the big toe in sexual play, leading many researchers to conclude that the practice was abusive.  Others doubt that statement, and claim that this was a standard and accepted practice, and did not cause the negative effects associated with modern child sexual abuse.
Which ancient chinese texts?  During which eras of footbinding?  Which modern texts refer to this?
: In some South Pacific island cultures, it was believed that young boys needed to swallow large amounts of semen, termed jerungdu, in order to properly mature sexually.  This was accomplished by older boys receiving oral sex from the younger boys. 
::Vaguely recall reading something slightly similar to this ages ago, although I'd certainly want to see the references before seeing this included in a wikipedia article... Mathmo 11:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha. You have to be American. It still amazes me how ppl are culturally conditioned react to things. I've read about this more than twice in my many years of reading psychology/sociology works, and I'm going to try to find a ref. --DanielCD 20:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been readded into the child sexual abuse article, this time with a proper ref. --DanielCD 22:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Errr... made my comment too soon, before I read this.... Although, when I look at the article I can't see this included anywhere or there reference. What happened to them?? Mathmo 11:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References needed 

message: The generalisations under the heading of Spousal sexual abuse are not supported by any public record or statistic. As a result, the statements do not conform with the Wikipedia Neutral Point of View Policy. Recommend deletion. DB 12:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias within Sexual Abuse article 

message: The article should mention the conflict of legal age of consent with reality, that some who are within the legal age of consent may actually be more sexually and psychologically mature than some who are older than the age of consent, and as a result a person who is older than the age of consent may be sexually abused (a.k.a taken advantage of) by another adult, yet not raped because she/he was not emotionally mature enough to say no, yet the person who performed the abuse, who took advantage of another person's weakness for their own pleasure, will get away with it. Often the person is fully aware of the other party's immaturity and insecurity and that he/she is taking advantage of someone, and uses the same techniques that other abusers use on children. It creates an unfortunate situation where a person may be sexually abused yet feel powerless and guilty about it, and where the abuser gets away with it.  It highlights the ineffecacy of America's sexual education programs in teaching young people to assert their sexual rights and also the flaws of age of consent laws which don't take into consideration a person's psychological age.  There has been some discussion about it, in Sweden for example, but it was argued that it would be too difficult to prove when it happens, even more difficult than rape, to prove that they took advantage, and therefore is probably not realistic to prosecute them, or that there would be a risk of innocent people being prosecuted.  Nevertheless it is still a problem that should be mentioned  on here as it relates to abuse, because people are abused in this way yet often feel that they themselves have done something wrong, and should be encouraged to get counseling and realize that they were in fact abused. Akseli 12:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  worth mentioning 

message: The "Minor sexual abuse" section was inaccurate in several ways. It is inaccurate to say that all sexual activities with minors is sexual abuse under all state's laws. The key is whether the minor in question is Under the age of consent. Since some states set the age of consent at 16, then it is possible for a minor of 16 or 17 in those states to legally consent to sexual activities with an adult. Another problem in the section was the claim that all sexually activities involving minors are illegal since masturbation, generally considered a sexual activity, is not so far as I know illegal under any state or federal laws. Also, I corrected the fact that the section failed to mention the distinction often made between adult/preteen sexual activities (child sexual abuse) and adult/teen sexual activities (statutory rape) or that their exists a marital exemption in some states to sexual abuse laws. --Cab88 23:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor sexual abuse  section inaccurate 

message: "Another exemption under sexual abuse laws states that exists in some states applies to adults legally married to minors. Thus, said adults can legally have sexual relations with their spouses without violating the law"
wouldn't they have already violated the law by marrying a minor? I don't understand this sentence.. --Froth 03:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends.  At least in the state of New Mexico, marriage to a minor is permitted so long as parental consent is given. , as long as they are over the age of 16.  --Puellanivis 22:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  marriage to minors 

message: As a simple example of existence, in the state of New Mexico, marriage to a minor is permitted with parental consent  so long as the child is over the age of 16 , and no other violations of law would occur in the union (e.g. incest).  By expectations of the privledge of marriage, the adult spouse would not be consider to be raping their minor spouse as long as the act was consentual.
In support of both the "Romeo Exclusion" being an exclusion to statutory rape, within the State of New Mexico, there is at least a 4 year difference allowed such as to ensure that a consentual act of sex could occur spontaneously simply because one partner comes of legal age. --Puellanivis 22:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Romeo Exclusion" and Marriage to a Minor 

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Joie de Vivre 15:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:Abuse}}]]

message: The definition now reads:
:Sexual abuse (also referred to as molestation) is defined as the forcing of undesired sexual acts by one person to another. The term incest is defined as sexual abuse between family members, and the euphemism "bad touch" is sometimes used to describe such abuse.(Renvoizé 1982)
But when you look at the definition of incest it does not include the use of force.  Here in Germany we have a brother and sister who are parents of common children before the Supreme Court fighting for their right to consensual incest.  How can we fix this paragraph?  It isn't right the other way around, either: "Sexual abuse between family members is called incest" would be equally wrong since incest requires some sort of intercourse not just verbal molestation.  Did Renvoizé coin the term "bad touch" for incest or for sexual abuse or their common denominator?  Why is it a euphemism?  Sounds pretty bad to me: Roman Czyborra 09:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Incest is not necessarily abuse

message: Where are all the pictures?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.234.232.90 (talk) 15:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture question

message: Currently the section regarding sexual abuse of children/minors is larger than the introductory paragraph explaining the true meaning of the term. Not only that, but it's supposed to be a mere summary of a different article being redirected to. I think either this needs to be cut down a little bit or else we need to build this article bigger so that it's not overpowred by this subsection. Tyciol (talk) 07:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Expansion of this article is a good idea; there is a lot of information that can be added and references on this topic are plentiful.  The child sexual abuse section is appropriate in length for a section linked to a main article and should not be reduced. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 16:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Undue focus?

message: Would a section for occupational/academic sexual misconduct be appropriate?  I am referring to for instance a college professor using their position to gain sexual favors from students, or a boss doing the same with employees.Legitimus (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Section 

message: She was killed by a hitman named Jordan Mays  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.39.19.61 (talk) 14:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Detuh 

message: * False allegation of child sexual abuse. Godtadet (talk) 08:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added to the see also list. 

message: Did you, as a child have parents who insisted you kiss/hug them, or that you kiss/hug them or your grandparents? And when you protested you were told that "It's no big deal." or "you're overeacting." Would this be a form of sexual abuse? This happened to me The snare (talk) 20:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mild Sexual Abuse

message: The article added here as evidence to the sexual abuse by the Muslim clerics in Pakistan is baseless and quoting a Telegraph article which does not even exist and I think it was added just to increase the list or may be to include another major religion or even may be putting all religions under the same roof. Well, whatever the case is the reference is unauthentic itself and from a website explicitly targeting other faiths so how can it complement another article. There has never been cases reported in Pakistan, I have lived there for 21 years, of such nature and even if it would have happened ten t would have been an act of an individual not instigated by the power relinquished by the Islamic rules and regulations, it is not like it is practiced widely or even more than may be once a million years. I appeal here that Islam should be removed from this list immediately and if the case is still to be remained a better reference should be acquired.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otherangle (talk • contribs) 23:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Positions of Power 

message: For example, incest is passed off as sexual abuse when on it on, it may or may not be consensual.
As far as I'm concerned, sexual abuse is involuntary, and is no excuse for excessive morality.
--68.7.110.80 (talk) 01:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Many forms of sexual abuse contain what I term an "illusion of consent" or "false consent" wherein the victim complies with the actions, but there is some element behind it that compromises that person's ability to truely consent to what is happening to them.  Such is the case with children (who do not understand what is happening and so cannot consent) and cases where the abuser is in a position of power over that person (where the person is essentially blackmailed into playing along).  Incest is not always sexual abuse per se, in that it can occur between two adults, though statisticlly this almost always occurs between people who were separated for most of their childhood and never formed a familial bond, and/or in cases of people with several mental illness.  In the context of this article, "incest" is primarily used to refer to the abuse of a child though.Legitimus (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

text: That's the problem - the notion that children do not understand what is happening is an unfortunate blanket statement that ruins it for those with legitimate consent.  However, I can concede that your "illusion of consent"/"false consent" can be applied to anybody who happens to be lacking in intelligence, regardless of age.  Even I acknowledged that the context of the article's mention of incest as being with a child, but I can see how the abuse isn't always so, not that statistics would count those non-abuse accounts.--160.227.21.253 (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What if there's consent? 

message: I removed the Canadian sexual abuse victim's advocacy link, because I believe that link is in clear violation of WP:EL.  The nutshell summary of WP:EL reads, "External links in an article can be helpful to the reader, but they should be kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article."  Per this, the standard for inclusion on external links is quite high.  Take a look at WP:ELYES and WP:ELMAYBE.  This link definitely doesn't meet any of the WP:ELYES guidelines.  There is no indication on that site that it is a particularly reliable source; rather, per it's About page, "SexAssault.ca is a Canadian victims advocacy website founded by Philanthropist Mark Zinck."  There is no info provided to give any reason to believe that the site creators have any particular knowledge or expertise in the field, or that the information is in any way reliable.  As such, I don't believe it is appropriate to include that link.    Qwyrxian (talk) 07:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of victims advocacy link 

message: "Bad Touch" redirects here. For the song, see The Bad Touch.- I've heard young children use that terminology. I've heard Adults use that terminology to young children.It just seems rather mocking to have it here. Is there an actual need for it? I just have the mental picture of a bloodhound gang fan having a herp derp moment upon finding this page as opposed to the opposite.24.115.19.178 (talk) 05:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this really needed? 

message: "Saying sexually suggestive statements towards a child (child molestation)." I'm sorry is this saying that saying sexually suggestive statements to , towards, or at a child is Child molestation? I mean if so wouldn't the Character that Julia Roberts plays in the Stepmom be committing Child molestation  while talking to her future stepdaughter. Roberts tells her future stepdaughter to insult a boy at school who previously humiliated her, telling him that she doesn't waste her time with "losers who don't even know what snowblowing is." That's just a rather tame and innocent example. further more and honestly as written it seems more like sexual harassment tan anything else as it is written.24.115.19.178 (talk) 05:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulletpoint lacks sufficient detail. 

message: "ISLAM (CITATION NEEDED)" SHOULD BE DELETED THERE IS NO PROOF OF THIS.
Ismi2u (talk) 06:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: there is not currently a cite, this is true, but cases are very easy to find. I'm sure someone will add a cite eventually. (If this were a person I would delete it, but as a religion it's not as if it can be "slandered", and Islam is all grown up now with over a billion followers, it's a big boy and can look after itself) Egg Centric 14:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, it's been marked as needing a citation since January 2011. That's plenty of time for someone to have added it, and WP:V clearly says that information which has been challenged should be removed at some point. Every single other religion either has a citation or is a link to a specific page about sex scandal in the church. We can't keep just one religion there uncited indefinitely under the presumption that it will some day be verified. Of course, anyone who wishes to verify it and re-add it is more than welcome to do so. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:44, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 1 June 2012 

message: I have a small issue with the statement that "child sexual abuse also occurs when an adult indecently exposes their genitalia to a child,...". Because the definition indecent exposure can cover just about any form of public nudity in some places, this statement is way too broad. In the U.S. and in many other countries it is not legally child sexual abuse to expose your genitals to a child in the context of say nudist activities, a nude protest march, mom or dad being nude around their kids in the privacy of their own home, etc. Now if you intentionally expose yourself for the specific purpose show your genitals to a child then that can considered sexual abuse but merely being nude around a child is not legally sexual abuse (please correct me if anyone aware of any state cases that contradict that statement). I'm not aware of any credible expert on the issue of child sexual abuse who argues that child being exposed to the genitals of an adult is automatically sexual abuse in and of itself. yes, some people do argue that taking a child to nudist resort or beach or a parent being naked around their child is sexual abuse in and of itself but they represent a minority. I'm not sure how best to correct this but I do feel it should be reworded to be clear that merely being nude around a child is not sexual abuse in and of itself. --Cab88 (talk) 09:09, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the principle of what you are saying.   It's the goal of the "exposer" and not the nudity per se that makes it abusive or not.  I think it just needs to be rephrased in a way that makes this more clear.Legitimus (talk) 12:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a much better way of phrasing it in the Child sexual abuse article which I copied over to this the CSA section in this article. It now properly differentiates between abusive exposure of the genitals to a child (i.e. for sexual gratification vs non-abusive (i.e. nudism, familial nakedness, accidental exposure). --Cab88 (talk) 19:05, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small issue with child sexual abuse section 

message: I think that people need to know facts about stuff they don't feel comfortable enough to 
talk about. That's why people come to this website to add stuff they know so other people 
can learn knew things. Please change this page so it is more discriptive
Surferchick022 (talk) 01:43, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You make a valid point and a valiant plea. Unfortunately the nature of an edit request requires that you say something more direct as in change A (showing the current wording) to B ( showing the proposed new wording) I hope you'll join our editing community and soon be making these edits yourself. I posted some information on your talk page that may be helpful as you begin. Good luck. 76Strat String da Broke da (talk) 01:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 11 September 2012 

message: Can someone add a hat note to indicate that Bad Touch redicts here, for the song see The Bad Touch? Thanks. I forgot my password. 72.95.180.63 (talk) 03:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done I just fixed the redirect. — Bility (talk) 16:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request for hatnote 

message: :  One reference from Andrea Dworkin isn't going to cut it for adding something like that to the lede paragraph. OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 24 July 2013 

message: Please add "1in6, based in the U.S., is one of the leading organizations dedicated to helping men who have had unwanted or abusive sexual experiences.  The non-profit provides information & resources related to the issue, specifically for male survivors and those who care about them.  The organization is named after the statistic, which indicates the percentage of men in the United States who have experienced some form of sexual abuse before age 18.  To address the growing need for support groups dedicated to male survivors, 1in6 & RAINN jointly created a weekly online peer support group, facilitated by a professional counselor.  It's a chat-based resource available to male survivors all over the world." because 1) male survivors need to know where they can find support, 2) the statistic (most well-researched) needs to be discussed as a means of creating awareness & fighting through the isolation and shame often associated with this issue, and 3) 1in6 is a leading organization, backed by decades of research and knowledge from top-tier clinical psychologists.  Thank you.
Andrewplangdon (talk) 00:30, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: (1) request is not clearly stated in the "change X to Y" format and (2) we have no article on 1in6. Establish the notability of the group first (WP:WTAF).  EvergreenFir (talk) 19:23, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2016 

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message: The word 'usually' appears twice in this article but I do not see it quoted in any sources. I am concerned about original research here, is this derived from some synonym? ScratchMarshall (talk) 06:43, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Usually

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message: Sears, H.A., Byers, E.S., & Price, E.L. (2007). The co-occurrence of adolescent boys’ and girls’ use of psychologically, physically, and sexually abusive behaviours in their dating relationships. Journal of Adolescence, 30, 487-504.
Foshee, V.A. (1996). Gender differences in adolescent dating abuse prevalence, types and injuries. Health Education Research, 11(3), 275-286.
Stets, J.E. & Pirog-Good, M.A. (1989). Patterns of physical and sexual abuse for men and women in dating relationships: A descriptive analysis. Journal of Family Violence 4(1), 63-76. 
Poitras, M. & Lavoie, F. (1995). A study of the prevalence of sexual coercion in adolescent heterosexual dating relationships in a Quebec sample. Violence and Victims 10(4), 299-313.  
Wingood, G.M., DiClemente, R.J., & Raj, A. (2000). Adverse consequences of intimate partner abuse among women in non-urban domestic violence shelters. American Journal of Preventive Medicine, 19(4), 270-275. 
Brousseau, M.M., Hebert, M., & Bergeron, S. (2012). Sexual coercion with mixed-sex couples: The roles of sexual motives, revictimization, and reperpetration. Journal of Sex Research, 49(6), 533-546.
Bergen, R.K. & Bukovec, P. (2006). Men and intimate partner rape: Characteristics of men who sexually abuse their partner. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 21(10), 1375-1384
Maxwell, C.D., Robinson, A.L., & Post, L.A. (2003). The nature and predictors of sexual victimization and offending among adolescents. Journal of Youth and Adolescence, 32(6). 465-477.
Caregan25 (talk) 04:26, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Caregan25, I reverted you per  WP:MEDRS, WP:Undue weight and formatting issues. For health material, make sure that you adhere to WP:MEDRS. Adhering to WP:MEDRS for example, means generally avoiding primary sources. See WP:Primary. Also, a number of topics in this article have their own articles. So only summaries should be covered here in those cases; see WP:Summary style. I'm not sure if any of your content was a copyright violation, but keep WP:Copyvio in mind. If you reply here, there is no need to WP:Ping me since this article/talk page is on my watchlist. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:08, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Articles To Add To Page 

message: Homosexual, or attracted to his/her own gender.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8480:49F0:95D7:B2AA:579:A9CF (talk) 03:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay 

message: No first hand statistics. Also directly plagiarizes form sourses. On a personal note this article claims  78% of abuse is by men without any explanation of how this info was gathered. Additionally even if more men are charged or/and convicted, this does not necessarily indicate more abuse but rather a scued perception the importance/affects on the abused based on gender. I would like to see an accusation verses conviction ratio. In order to make the claim that men do more abusing this ratio must be consistent from accusation to investigation to charge and finally to conviction. Dcpacho (talk) 10:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um science standards not met. 

message: Add a section for vulnurable people and talk about the higher raates of sexual assault towards women of color, trans people, particularly trans women, as well as the high rate of sexual assault from straight people towards bisexual and pansexual people. 47.195.225.100 (talk) 16:49, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  17:12, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2021 

message: Section Other animals, "Main article: Sexual coercion" should link to Sexual coercion among animals. 151.177.57.31 (talk) 18:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021 

message: Could someone with editing skills please remedy the following:
The subheading of 'Minorities' is directly followed by the subheading of 'Other animals'.
There is clear potential for this to be read as implying that 'minorities' are 'animals'.
I checked through the whole article and cannot see mention of any animal prior to the 'Other animals' section - possibly such a reference was removed in an edit. Hopefully so. 
Also, I noted a number of other issues with the 'Minorities' section. I will try to flag these up sometime in the near future. If anyone else can help it would be much appreciated. 
Thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by PenfoldBrown (talk • contribs) 06:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You make a good point. I've moved "minorities" into the section where different groups are discussed. - Bilby (talk) 06:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subheadings read as racist comment - could someone please change this? 

message: No mention here of groping (a page which has only 8 interlanguage links, but is currently highly topical in the UK)? I feel it should at least be listed under ==See also==. 86.140.161.188 (talk) 10:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informal edit request: No mention of [[Groping]]? 

message: the act of Sexuall force to a minor.this has to stop .break the silence. Pls contact Childline if you are or saw a victim.thank you 168.167.247.27 (talk) 22:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  sexual abuse 

message: I suggest you should change the phrase “ by a woman's husband or ex-husband” to “ by one’s partner or ex-partner”, due to the fact that spousal sexual abuse can happen to anyone of any gender. Slasher husband (talk) 20:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. M.Bitton (talk) 00:12, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2023 

message: What is the meaning of drug abuse among student  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.224.6 (talk) 05:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  N v e 

message: Child Are Abused By Family Member 2607:FB91:145A:1985:A9C3:48FF:F672:9A51 (talk) 18:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Child On Child Sexual Abuse  

message: Can the picture be removed? I don't think including a graphic illustration of sexual assault is ok. 
I haven't included the picture here due to the subject matter. There is only one picture.
Thanks PenfoldBrown (talk) 05:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: – I'll provide a more detailed explanation of why, however. While Wikipedia is not censored and images will not be removed purely because they may be objectionable, the image in question does not provide additional information or add additional relevancy to the article. I have therefore removed the image per MOS:OMIMG. Tollens (talk) 06:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2023