Talk:Noah Bennet/Archive 1

message: In distractions, when HRG's driver's license is shown, His signature is visible.  It really really looks like "Gregory", however Im not sure how confindant one can be on this little info.Mrxerox 02:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oooh, nearly called that one.WorldsCollide 21:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: First Name

message: I don't think "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" should be regarded as an alias.  Professor Suresh (the son) simply refers to Mr. Bennet as "the man with the horned rimmed glasses" because he doesn't know his name.    Are people trying to build his character like that of the Cigarette Smoking Man?  Mdriver1981 23:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually the name most commonly used outside of the fiction, and officially, no less. While not used often in fiction, between that common and MOHINDER's mention in fiction, it should count. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: To complement what ACS said, Horn-Rimmed Glasses is what every non-Odessa resident that's mentioned him calls him. Nathan refers to him as "a man with horn-rimmed glasses" in the latest episode as well. --dws90 05:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed, horn-rimmed glasses (like Buddy Holly's or Elvis Costello's) have the horn, tortoise shell or plastic going all around the frame. I have a pair almost exactly like Mr. Bennet's which have the plastic part above the lenses with metal coming down below. Shuron Ronsir Zyl's (Malcolm X glasses). I think too many people see the part where the frame attaches to the temples and think that must be why they're called "horn-rimmed."
Thanks for signing your posts guys.  Also, the glasses he tries on in "Company Man" that cause Claire to comment "Grandma glasses" were proper horn-rimmed ones.  The ones he usually wears are NOT horn-rimmed but are usually MISTAKEN for horn-rimmed which I'm guessing was the whole point behind having that as his nickname.  Also because "Clubman-style glasses man" sounds... well yeah, I don't really need to elaborate there. 203.14.180.98 01:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alias

message: The series seems to suggest that his role may not be villianous. Someone should comment about that in the article. Mdriver1981 19:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. In general, it's better not to add pontentially redundant, obvious, non-neutral POV or OR to articles. Readers can form their own opinions, are none at all. Saying that his role is ambiguous might seem insulting. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: He is just a character on a TV series.  Why would one be insulted by an allegation made on a ficticious person?24.59.186.128 06:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant to the reader. They can draw their own conclusions.  Plus, saying "it's ambigiuous" would just open the door for POV assestments in the future. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: There have been a lot of edits to various Heroes pages along the lines of "We don't know if he is aware of this", "It is unclear how strong her power is", "It is unknown to what extent he can use his power", etc.  Although I may have been guilty of adding these (probably not, but I can't state so with 100% certainty), I now usually try to remove these because they are not information.  They are specifically a lack of information.  Encyclopedias don't generally include lacks of information, though they may lack information.  Please don't add stuff that we don't know; we'll add it once we do know.  --Psiphiorg 07:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, Psi. I couldn't have said it better myself. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 08:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: *Gasp!* Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: We've seen no evidence on the show that Bennet is a killer.  He hasn't killed anyone yet or expressed a desire to kill anyone besides Brody.  And even if he were capable of murder, killing Brody in the hospital would result in a police investigation in which he would be looked at as a suspect, given that Brody was just in a car crash with his daughter.  THe memory wipe was a much cleaner way of dealing with Brody. Primogen 18:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's facinating.  I like his character. Mdriver1981 22:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Remember, guys, this isn't a forum. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh. Thanks for the heads-up. I wouldn't want Wikipedia agents knocking on my door. Mdriver1981 08:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Villian or Hero?

message: Tried to bring it in line with the other character pages I've edited. Bennet's page particularly seemed to lack any clear text about who the character is (as opposed to the stuff he did).
Not sure about lack of information not being encyclopedic. While most of it seems needless (will we ever know the limits of ANYONE's powers completely? :)), some of it seems important to the character in question.
I wrote the line "Bennet's agenda and afilliation are shrouded in mystery." Is it bad? Renenarciso 19:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that "shrouded in mystery" is actual information, not lack of information, as it indicates not merely that we don't know something, but that something is being purposefully kept from us.  But that's just my take on it.  --Psiphiorg 20:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

text: What Psiphiorg said. Primogen 20:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewriting

message: This doesn't sound right, as Bennet has appeared in virtually every episode of the series to date and has had more screen time in some episodes than other "lead" characters. Saying he only becomes a major character in episode 11 is incorrect, don't you think? 23skidoo 15:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it would be more accurate to say that Jack Coleman is being upgraded from "guest star" to "star" as of the 11th episode.  The effect on the character he plays will not likely be significant.  --Psiphiorg 00:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He has been in every episode and has been a driving factor in many of the plots. He has his own scenes, he has interacted with almost every other major character - so how is he only a "regular" as of the 11th episode? Was there some official designation? Did the credits list him as a guest star? - Kevingarcia 09:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he was a guest star in the credits for the first ten episodes.  In "Fallout", Jack Coleman was listed between Santiago Cabrera and Tawny Cypress.  I would guess that the producers did not initially plan for Mr. Bennet to be as important of a character as he turned out to be, so when they realized the character's potential, they approached Jack Coleman (or rather, his agent) and worked out a contract making him one of the co-stars of the series. --Psiphiorg 18:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Major character as of the 11th episode'

message: I added teleportation to the artilce but it was removed, so I thought I'd point you to the exact scene where he teleports. Its godsend, about 3:40 in, just after he finishes talking to clair he wipes his eyes, before he puts his glasses back on he's in sylar's cell. This was clearly one motion but he traveled quite a distance during it. Teleportation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.248.164 (talk • contribs) 
:I'll double-check, but from what I remember that's not indicating a "power", it's just a nice bit of editing. --Ckatzchatspy 18:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: teleportation

message: Being a huge comic book nerd, I noticed that Bennet bears a close resemblance to Henry Peter Gyrich from the Marvel Comics Universe, who also is occasionally depicted as wearing horn-rimmed glasses. Maybe the glasses are a nod to that character. I'm not sure where this fits in under the original research rule, though. 69.157.235.197 20:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You would have to add a reliable source with this for it not to be original research. --WillMak050389 21:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Character Inspiration

message: I saw tonight's episode. For people who are going to watch it, there are some flashbacks back in the years for Mr. Bennet. So, make sure you put the info in the "Beginnings", put it before info from "Six Months Ago" Nocarsgo 03:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: For Company Man

message: So when he told the Haitian to wipe him, he said "Go deep.  Take anything that will lead them to her," what was he referring to?  The nature of the faked carjacking and the escape (which would go with the previous scene of Bennet setting up Thompson to blame the Haitian), or everything about Claire?  I highly doubt the latter, but it's what some websites have been throwing around.
:We don't know. To be honest, the second is more likely, but the show itself gave no indication yet. I'm sure it will be fairly obvious the next time we see Mr. Bennet, so we shouldn't add any information to the article until we have some hard facts. --dws90 03:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiping all about Claire would be unfeasible though.  Unless he already had the house "cleaned" and everybody in the neighborhood wiped beforehand.--136.160.144.25 15:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fairly obvious he didn't wipe out everything to do with Claire because Mr. Bennet is refering to her and talking about her as his daughter almost immediately.  It's how he lands in the cell at the Company: by talking about Claire to Candice in disguise.  The Hatian took everything about turning Claire over: he took the fact that the Hatian has her that Mr. Bennet turned her over, everything.  The problem is, knowing how much he cared he knows he would hide Claire so taking that is worthless.  And since his memory is erased and we only know of one person that can do that it obvious who he turned her over to.  So what was the point of erasing things so easily reasoned out?  The writters are slipping.  Padillah 16:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How "deep" did the Haitian go?

message: He may be more than fluent in Japaneses, because he can even think in Japaneses, which most people can't do unless they are bilingual, which means he was raised in japan, he has spent a lot of time in japan, or (the most unlikely in my view)he is Japaneses (maybe just half).
: It may just be that he's studies for a long time, any presumption is speculative. My friend has never lived in france but can speak it fluently just because of lessons and a yearly visit. And She thinks in French whilst she's there and speaking in it, apparently it makes things easier. All I'm saying is, theres lots of reasons, any we give would be subjective and would breach WP:ATT. Jacobshaven3 17:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, if you are fluent in a language, you don't have to think in it, but you can make a conscious effort to think in another language.  I normally think in English, but right now, I'm forcing myself to think in French.  Mr. Bennet wanted to distract Matt, so he thought in Japanese.  Arwen undomiel 19:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All this is immaterial until there's a published source saying it, but ... a non-native speaker definitely can get to the point where at least some thoughts occur in the second language in and of themselves; when spending all my spare time with Spanish-speaking neighbors, I occasionally found myself thinking in the library, "?En dónde estará?" (Where can it be?) about a book I was looking for, because I'd heard my preschool neighbor say it so many times while reading Where's Waldo? Lawikitejana 22:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth my father was born in San Juan P.R. and raised until age 7 speaking Spanish.  He learned English in school inN.Y.C. and then moved to Pontiac, MI where he spoke mostly English the rest of his life (though he did have a heavy involvment with the Latino community throughout his life).  Both he and several of his friends (all raised in P.R. and living in the U.S. for extended periods of time) have told me they dream in English and Spanish.  They don't consider one or the other a second language.  They simply speak both.  My kids are the same way, they don't bother to translate between Portuguese and English (sometimes from word to word which is confusing as heck) they simply speak whichever language they want to.  Depending on your immersion and desire to speak a given language you can think in whatever language you train yourself to think in.  Padillah 15:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilingual 

message: Do we really need a section for super-powered people he's met?  It's covered in the narrative and the list doesn't add any information or context, simply the fact that HRG has met these people.  Big whoop.  Padillah 16:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superpowered People section. 

message: *Mr. Bennet I'm not convinced that "Bennet" is his real last name.  Yes he has used it with his wife and family and his ID, but remember this is also the guy that almost melted his wife's brain in order to keep secrets.  At one point in the past, he met her and, thinking nothing of it, he said his name was "Bennet".  And that has continued to this day.  Also, his most common name to date is "Mr. Bennet".  It remains to be seen if "Noah Bennet" is going anywhere. - Richfife 19:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment I assume the reason they worked hard not to let us know Bennet's name was so that it would be important and resonate when we did. It's like the Janitor in Scrubs. When you go so long without a bit of information, it makes that information, when revealed, that much more important. And when better to reveal that info than in the season finale? Kolindigo 20:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Comment: If you look up The Bride (Kill Bill) it redirects you to Beatrix Kiddo a spoiler to any one who has not seen Kill Bill Volume 2. Matthew 02:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Comment: How would it be less of a spoiler if the title read "Mr. Bennet" or "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" but the first line of the article called him "Noah Bennet," as it most certainly would? If you don't want to be spoiled for the show, you shouldn't be reading encyclopedia articles that provide comprehensive information on its plot and characters. ShaleZero 04:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Name Poll 

message: I have revised the Cautionary Tales section of the bio, because it contained too much speculation. It's already been established that Adam's blood also has the ability to heal people, so until a future episode establishes the actual circumstances, we can't really speculate that it's the Company or Claire's blood that regenerates him. It could be Adam, or HRG might even have a superpower not previously seen. 23skidoo (talk) 13:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added the fact that Noah was going to execute Bob, not just shoot him.  Bob was incapacitated and Noah was going to shoot him with the aim of ending Bob's life.  That's significant.  Padillah (talk) 15:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is interesting, to say the least. I mean, if Bob was going to cap NB, why revive him, except maybe to compel Mohinder and Clair's assistance? As well, 30 years in stir is going to garner quite a bit of regenerative bloody supply at the Company's disposal... - Arcayne (cast a spell) 16:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculations

message: Did he really speak Russian, or did he perhaps speak Ukrainian in the episode where he goes to Odessa? I can't really tell myself, but it didn't sound quite like the Russian I'm used to hearing. --GSchjetne (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just like most languages, different areas speak a language differently.  Southern American English differs greatly from Australian English, due to slang and accent differences.  If anything, we could change it to that he was speaking an Eastern Slavic language. QuasiAbstract (talk) 02:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian 

message: Both words are valid. Since snuck was there first, we should continue to use that word per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English. - Josh (talk | contribs) 23:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't we go for something else, both neutral and incontenstible, such as 'crept'? asyndeton talk 23:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sneaked vs. snuck