Talk:Gypsy Rose Lee

message: The article claims that GRL's birthname was Ellen June. The typed in name on GRL's birth certificate is "infant Hovick". Karen Abbott claimed GRL's birth name was Ellen June in her book, American Rose, and she made quite a bit out of it. The only evidence for this claim is that somebody wrote Ellen June in script onto GRL's birth certificate. It is not known who did this, when it was done and for what purpose. I think that Karen Abbot overstepped what can be reasonably concluded from the limited evidence, perhaps as a way of making her point that after June was born, Rose pored her efforts into the new daughter. Whatever the case, I don't think the article should claim it as fact that GRL's birthname was Ellen June based on this limited evidence. This leads to the issue of what should be placed in the summary box as GRL's birthname. I agree with Thumperward's edit that it should list Rose Louise Hovick. This is the name GRL entered school under and it was her real name when she died. I think a mention in the article of Abbott's contention with regard to this would be appropriate. I think it is also worth noting that Nora Lee Frankel does not make the same contention in her book Stripping Gypsy.  --Davefoc (talk) 02:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If reliable sources present various versions of an article subject's birth name, then it is the responsibility of the encyclopedia to present them side by side, until scholarly historical work settles on one answer (if it ever does). It is not our place to add to the evidence, not even, really to select among possible lines of evidence—except insofar as deciding on the reliability of references is such a process. Finally, the process you describe, of looking at handwriting in sources, has to be considered "original research", and that is not something allowed. If a source reports such an analysis, and the source is reliable, report the handwriting analysis. Otherwise, our conclusions about whether they are same or different have no place here.  LeProf   Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gypsy Rose Lee's birth name 

message: According to the current article, she married her first husband a year before she was born and then married her second husband as a five year old. I'm guessing that's not correct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.197.58.142 (talk) 12:05, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriages? 

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message: according to The Lonely Hunter, the Carson mcCullers biography, she may have had an affair with Carson mcCullers, so was possibly bisexual. Apparently, mcCullers bragged to her brother that she had once slept with Gypsy, but she never told any of her gay friends that. There may be evidence of bisexuality beyond the mcCullers possibility though. 92.41.131.56 (talk) 13:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  bisexuality