Talk:Carvin Corporation

message: I am going to request this article be deleted unless proof is placed within the article establishing notability. WP:N states that "a topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works, whose sources are independent of the subject itself." The only reason I am placing this here rather than requesting deletion is that I have read such materials about Carvin myself; but I cannot cite every article myself. CyberAnth 20:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The numerous notable musicians playing Carvin instruments lend evidence as to notability. They all have published works, namely their recordings. As you say, sources should be added. Here's a quote that does not seem to me suitable for placement within the article:  "Representative of the highest level of the luthier's art, and offering great playability and great tones, the CT6M is proof positive that Carvin does indeed deserve a place alongside the world's most respected guitar builders". -- Guitar Player (magazine) Dec. 2004 Does this help? Zzorse 23:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The cite from the mag  is exactly the sort of material that MUST be added to this article to establish notability. It needs several more such things now. NOTE: <info from Carvin is NOT QUALIFIED as additions to prove notability per WP:N and WP:V.  Also, you can include info about numerous notable musicians playing Carvin instruments IF that has been reported in reliable sources. Going to the Carvin site, culling names, and then placing album names violates WP:OR. CyberAnth 01:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the citation is of the type, I'm just not sure at the moment how to incorporate it into the text. I agree using Carvin as the source is not the correct approach, but also feel confident that the information can be verified. (I just looked and I have a couple Enanitos Verdes CDs where Carvin is specifically mentioned.) Hopefully other contributors will step forward and help this page out. Zzorse 02:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete

message: Carvin Corporation split into two corporate entities in 2015. The original Carvin Corporation continues to operate with the Pro Audio and Amplification portions of the company. A new corporate entity, Kiesel Guitars, was launched by Mark Kiesel, with Jeff Kiesel as VP. The guitar portion of company, Carvin Guitars, was split off and put under Kiesel Guitars.
Carvin Corporation should NOT be redirected to Kiesel Guitars, because it still exists and is the older and longer established of the two. -- ferret (talk) 16:31, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've completed the split and most activities related to it, such as updated links from other articles. -- ferret (talk) 23:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split needed 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The "Fate" and "Defunct" categories listed under Carvin Corporation are incorrect. The company is not closed nor is it defunct. The below true statements have been added to the page. Please the above change. 
On June 14, 2018 Carvin announced the warehouse has been moved to a centralized USA location to offer customers faster shipping countrywide. The brand continues on with its line of active loudspeakers, wireless microphones and tube preamp pedals.
On January 25, 2019, Carvin Amps and Audio announced the release of its new SCx and QX series active loudspeakers.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Carvincorp (talk • contribs) 16:40, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This would apply to the original Carvin company, not Kiesel. The problem is we have a secondary reliable source (Guitarworld) that covered their closing and liquidation, but no subsequent coverage of reopening or continued business by secondary sources. I believe the original Facebook announcement covered by Guitarworld can be taken as "We closed the factory", rather than "We closed the entire company". It does look like their webpage has seen a complete revamp, and the About Us does claim to essentially be the same company, with same copyrights and bylines as before. Is a primary source enough to cover the relaunch though? I say remove the defunct statuses/categories, denote the relaunch and new factory, but remove new product announcements. -- ferret (talk) 22:04, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I did most of the cleanup for now. Obviously we don't want a running tally of primary sourced product announcements, but I think the relaunched website needs to be here, and possibly the warehouse move. -- ferret (talk) 00:16, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for your help on this, it's much appreciated!  Spintendo  14:27, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request edit - Carvin Corporation Company Status 

message: *The added claims require references which address both the claims themselves (i.e., the moving of the warehouse) as well as the reopening of the company, which hasn't been referenced and thus places the article in a conflicted state (it's listed as both closed and open, in that the prose makes claims about present activity while the infobox and lead section indicate no activity.) The way to address this is to provide references supporting these new claims. 
*When the COI editor has selected a new username to edit with, they are encouraged to return to this talk page to propose edit requests along with references supporting their proposals. 
Thank you! 
Regards,  Spintendo  18:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This would apply to the original Carvin company, not Kiesel. The problem is we have a secondary reliable source (Guitarworld) that covered their closing and liquidation, but no subsequent coverage of reopening or continued business by secondary sources. I believe the original Facebook announcement covered by Guitarworld can be taken as "We closed the factory", rather than "We closed the entire company". It does look like their webpage has seen a complete revamp, and the About Us does claim to essentially be the same company, with same copyrights and bylines as before. Is a primary source enough to cover the relaunch though? I say remove the defunct statuses/categories, denote the relaunch and new factory, but remove new product announcements. -- ferret (talk) 22:04, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I did most of the cleanup for now. Obviously we don't want a running tally of primary sourced product announcements, but I think the relaunched website needs to be here, and possibly the warehouse move. -- ferret (talk) 00:16, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for your help on this, it's much appreciated!  Spintendo  14:27, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 28-JAN-2019