Talk:Big Brother (British TV series) series 7/Archive 2

message: I know theres a drive to have sources cited here, but Q102 are notoriously slow at updating their website (the morning show section barely mentions Sue Carter, who is the current holder of the ticket they found, as even presenting the show she has both worked on and produced for at least two years), but they -did- find one of the golden tickets among the >10,000 tickets they purchased on a trip to the UK which was funded by Stena Line and a Dublin Peugeot dealers called Mongey Plunkett. As a regular listener to Q102, and on the basis that they will eventually mention it somewhere on their site, I'm willing to stake what little reputation I have on the Wikipedia that its true. There should be an Australian girl called Sue Carter amongst the hopefuls for the golden ticket place(s) in the house, and indeed, a Susan Carter who "purchased over 10,000 tickets" has appeared on the list released of known ticket holders. --Kiand 03:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but sources need to be cited (particularly since another user mentioned that they never saw it) -- cds(talk) 09:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the radio stations actual broadcast itself not count for anything? Occasionally there -are- no internet sources for something, such as this. Well, beyond forums, which don't really count for much, reliability-wise. --Kiand 12:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, radio broadcast is fine as a source. In defamation proceedings, radio ,tv and written are all considered "permanent form". - Kittybrewster 09:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, yes I did. They're both big and make a lot of gameshows ;). Anyway, the radio broadcasts on the mornings of the 2nd and 3rd of June, 2006 on Q102, which is a licenced ILR station for Dublin on 102.2Mhz between 6 and 9am are the source, then. --Kiand 22:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: confirms they've got the ticket, provides figures of €10,000 and 15,000 bars and the involvement of Ray Shah. Unfortunately theres no way to permalink to artcles on radiowaves so I'm going to try and find what newspaper its from. --Kiand 16:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Q102 Golden Ticket 

message: The more the series goes on, the more good screen grabs we'll have e.c.t. I think we should start a "Big Brother 7 Gallery" page, or something to that effect. Comments???Dalejenkins 07:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there. I'll add my 2 cents worth. It's cool to have interesting screenshots to liven up the article. I noticed that the image u added yesterday was from a Lea fansite, and u cut out Lea!! IMO the whole pic is coolness :) and is ok to use for Shahbaz. Maybe u culd re-submit it uncut, but don't forget to add an appropriate tag. See here Wikipedia:Image legality questions, and also see how the other pics are tagged. See also Wikipedia:Image copyright tags--luke 08:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, we can't have a gallery. Fair use images need to be used in context: to provide "critical commentary". A gallery would not be fair use. The JPStalk to me 09:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with The JPS - it's not fair use if it's a gallery, as good as it'd look. Please post here if you have any further ideas for "spinoff" articles, so we can discuss how legal (and useful) they are :) -- 9cds(talk) 11:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NEW PAGE-Big Brother 7 Gallery

message: I am developing a series of Big Bro wallpapers, to post on the net. Can I use the “promotional shots” that they use on the show (the housemates faces with a white background), or would I need to seek C4’s permission?Dalejenkins
:This is their view:
:The name Big Brother®, the distinctive eye logo and the content on the Big Brother programme series and the official Big Brother website, URL: www.channel4.com/bigbrother "Official Site" are protected rights or marks owned by or exclusively licensed to 4 Ventures Limited "Channel 4" and any use is subject to Channel 4's permission. This permission can be revoked or changed by us at any time. Channel 4's usual terms and conditions included on its website also apply.
:As you say, these images are promotions for the programme - so if you use them with discetion I guess they would be unlikely to complain. But legally I think you need their permission if your service is UK based. I understand that fair use is mainly a US idea :)--luke 08:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image Copyright

message: Would it be possible to have the list in alphabetical order rather than in the order they entered the house? It's been bugging me for ages, and also I just noticed the BB6 page has the housemates listed in alphabetical order, so having them the same would be kind of good. Sweetie Petie 23:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure - be bold and change the order :) (Remember to keep those who's evicted at the bottom of the infobox, though) -- 9cds(talk) 08:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone else did it, probably when I was sleeping. Sweetie Petie 14:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We know what this teaches you? Don't sleep :p -- 9cds(talk) 14:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: No, because the surnames aren't well known. -- 9cds(talk) 17:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it looks good as it is now (entry order in infobox, alphabetical in the article) - anyone have any problems with how it is? I don't mind either way :) -- 9cds(talk) 22:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of housemates 

message: I added a new picture of sezer after the vote was revealed. Classic! Dalejenkins 15:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sezer shock Pic!

message: I've rewritten the template almost entirely using wikisyntax rather than a mixture. This makes it futureproof, and less likely to break the page. Let me know if anyone sees any bugs. -- 9cds(talk) 16:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Housemates template 

message: User's who don't like sezer's pic, please don't change it as we agreed a few pointers up that it was better than the previous on! Dalejenkins 07:10, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi m8 - Don't forget to tag the images u upload, as mentioned a few pointers up. This is important for the Wikipedia project to succeed. Best from luke 17:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please feel free to contact me on my talk page if it is felt further discussion regarding this issue is required. Celardore 19:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for my mistake, Celardore. Just to offer my 2 braincellsworth, in general terms conflict is the bane of this project. And hubris is the root cause.--luke 20:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankyou for your comment, though I am unsure whether it's barbed or not.  I didn't know what hubris was until I looked it up.  You're right though, conflict is never productive.  I will never deliberately engage in conflict.  Celardore 20:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Tea, anyone? -- 9cds(talk) 21:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DO NOT CHANGE SEZER'S PIC!!! 

message: How is the link provided in the title sequence illegal? Please explain. Dalejenkins 07:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rationale regarding differing treatment (in terms of copyright in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Big_Brother) of the distictive eye logo? Comments?--luke 17:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title sequence link 

message: It comes to my attention that if I search (well hit "Go" rather) and I have "Big Brother 7" typed in, that it takes me here via redirect. I'm not sure, and I should probably be bold, but with the U.S. having its Big Brother 7, should I just make "Big Brother 7" redirect to Big Brother (TV series)? FireSpike 17:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A disbambiguation page with all the Big Brother 7s might be a good idea. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's the general practice on Wikipedia, so yes. Either that or have a disambig line at the top of this article (). Regards, —Celestianpower háblame 19:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That seems the less insane plan. -- 9cds(talk) 19:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect to [[Big Brother (UK series 7)]] 

message: When I was updating the article with images added, it must have only uploaded part of the article (I blame my internet).  Sections like criticism are gone now.  If someone could fix this, without a revert [images took me ages to add] that would be great thanks.  I'd have a go but I really must go out now, sorry for the trouble.  Celardore 18:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I already sorted it. I did wonder what had happened when I went to the bottom of the page and it had disappeared. There were like 5-10 edits with nobody noticing it :p. --LorianTC 19:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that.  It was annoying to find that after I fixed up the article with images, that in the process I made some of the page disappear.  It was never intentional, technical issues on my end caused it I think.  Thanks for fixing it though.  Celardore 23:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you on the new Firefox (Bon Echo) by interest? Because if you are, I'm experiencing the same problems with some of my edits. Thanks, AntzUK 00:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I am using the latest FireFox version.  I just put the problem down to poor internet connectivity though.  I might be wrong. Celardore 00:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I broke the page