Talk:Kendo/Archive 1

message: Kumdo is the Korean pronuctiation of kendo.  Although Korea now has there own organizations. Such as the World Kumdo Assc., & the Korea Kumdo Assc.  There are very few differances between the two arts.  Kumdo does not do sankyo before sparring, & some Koreans have made slight changes to the hakama.  Both arts compete in the same tournaments in which you will see that kumdo pratictioners do sankyo in kendo tournaments out of respect.  The problems between kendo & kumdo are unfounded, for they are basicly one in the same.  There are some Koreans that give a false history of kumdo, but that should not reflect all practictioners of the art.  Kumdo obviously came from kendo during the Japanese occupation of Korea.  Rather swordsmanship  origially came from Korea to Japan ~1000 yrs ago is erelavent because there is no solid proof either way.
Why is this here? If people want to learn about kumdo they can just directly go to the kumdo article. Eugenius 02:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kumdo (Korean Kendo) 

message: I put in a table., Can someone please check for the Kana, Romaji, and other Japanese spellings? Much obliged.--Nightryder84 04:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Checked the Romaji and fixed only one, as well as quickly looking over the whole article.  Maybe sometime later, important terms could also be listed in Kanji as well. ---Gar2chan 12:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Table

message: Kendo appears to have a large following in Canada, and is growing. Most clubs are usually apart of Universities, and there are a small handful of individual clubs outside universities in Ontario. I am unsure as to the number of seperate clubs that are established, but I do know that they are slowly growing in number.
The largest club in Canada is most likely from the University of Toronto, and they hold regular tournaments each year between the various clubs in Ontario with at least 200 people attending each year. I can obtain clarification and better details on these points shortly.
The Canadian Kendo Federation oversees all Canadian Kendo clubs and tournaments, and their website can be found at (http://kendo-canada.com/)
--DaisukeNiwa 17:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kendo in Canada

message: I just noticed that the article uses "kendō" instead of "kendo" and wondered if it'd be better as a point of style to leave "kendō" in merely the pronounciation guide at the beginning of the article rather than repeat it over and over again in the article.  The standard style of Romanization of Japanese tends to forego usage of the "ō" in spellings (see akido, judo, , kyudo, budo, or heck, even Tokyo).  While I can appreciate the fact that the "ō" in "kendō" promotes a proper pronounciation of "剣道", I think it's simpler to leave it as kendo and if no one strongly objects, I'll change it back as such.   --Gar2chan 09:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction made. --Gar2chan 15:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kendō vs Kendo

message: There needs to be an article or section on Todai's kendo association. Chris 00:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Kobayashi Hideo (Todai kendo)]]

message: This is from the article: "Since that time, many warriors have become enlightened through kendo practice"
This, to me, sounds like a POV statement. I see no difference between the above statement and one where you state "over the years many people have communicated with God through prayer". In wikipedia it is not stated that Buddha DID achieve enlightenment or that Jesus IS the son of God. Wikipedia is merely stating what the individual religions believe, this article should also reflect this NPOV. I'm removing the statment in question. Unless of course I have misunderstood the usage of enlightenment in this article. Fred26 10:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this should be amended Kishyotai 11:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "enlightened"? 

message: The pictures under the Modern Kendo heading, while exciting and energetic don't show proper ki-ken-tai-ichi, as the person demonstrating is visibly in the air in a few of them, and has not stepped properly in any of them.  Suggest deletion or replacement with pictures that are more demonstrative of proper technique? 70.64.7.224 07:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for adding more pictures as long as we comply with copyright issues... the current ones are OK, but I think that we can keep a look out for better photos in terms of size/res, quality of photography, and quality of kendo in the photo.  In the current photo of tsuki, it looks like the kendoka is levitating in the air with both feet off the ground, which of course is a big no-no.  Kendo is definitely something that can be explained more thoroughly with illustrations and photos rather than only text, so if anybody out there in Wiki-land has some good and relevant photos to post, I encourage you to put them up! :) --Gar2chan 15:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That was the first thing i was going to point out, the photos really need to be replaced. I will try and source some 'better' ones cant promise the best = / Stpk4 22:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern Kendo Pictures?

message: The intro to the article is starting to get a little long and the ending few sentences seem to me to distract from a clear, concise explanation of what kendo is.  I think it'd be a good idea to move this following chunk of text to a brand-new section that discusses more in-depth the equipment used in kendo.  Some wording / grammar also needs to be cleaned up in this too...
:Kendo is practiced using "swords" made of split bamboo called shinai and extensive protective armour (bogu) is worn to protect specified target areas on the head and body. Kendoka also use bokuto (wooden swords) to practice set forms known as kata. The uniform worn under the bogu is called a kendogi and is usually indigo but sometimes black, consists of two parts: the upper robe looking piece is called a keikogi and the pants known as a hakama the pants are very wide legged are commonly mistaken for a long skirt. Kendo is done in bare feet.:
The other option to creating a new "equipment section" would be to maybe move that chunk of text to the "modern kendo" section, since the kendo equipment that kendoka use today has evolved from the art's early practice, both in terms of materials used to make the equipment, and the build of the equipment. 
Anybody else have thoughts on the matter? --Gar2chan 16:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Equipment section?

message: As many people seem to want links to more Kendo federations, and it would be nice to have more information about Kendo around the world, I have made a page Kendo around the world, inspired by the Soccer around the world page and moved the list of Kendo federations there. Francis Bond (talk) 03:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason that I removed most of them is that Wikipedia is not a directory of external links. I left the USA one probably of my pro-America bias, and the European to try to counter that. I wouldn't object to a link to a page with that list, as long as it's a reliable source. Veinor (talk to me) 17:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Someone cahnged costume to uniform, and on the basis that "costume" is derogatory.  IMHO it is not, and uniform is inaccurate.  But perhaps "outfit" or "clothing" would be better? Rich Farmbrough, 15:52 30  January 2007 (GMT).
::I agree with the above, but like costume. However and as a few days have passed I have changed uniform to clothing. Kendo 66 04:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Costume/uniform

message: I'm not a kendoka, but shouldn't the forward foot be hitting the ground simultaneously as contact in the Men photo? VanTucky 21:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Those are exceedingly bad examples, and I'm not using a very high standard here, even dan-less kendoka should be able to do better. At the very least, no judge should allow some of those hits to score and a real tournament. -RoSeeker 04:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the strike images should be better.  Hopefully someone will donate some un-copyrighted photos or images soon.  The "levitating tsuki" is a big eyesore, IMHO. O_o --Gar2chan 21:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strike images 

message: Hey, just read the introduction and was shocked how something that POV could find its way into an article and stay there. Ok, it's mind challenging, you develop body and spirit, everything, but maybe you should express it less ambitiously ;). And maybe the elogy on Kendo from the whatever Kendo association Japan should not be in the introduction. --Ben  T/C  08:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it out of the intro where it should def not have been, someone who know's more should look @ it though. --Nate1481( t/c) 10:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: I see some areas that still need cleanup to submit the article for promotion to GA. I'm going to tag the article for cleanup until they are addressed.
#Pictures.  Arrays of pictures are normally not approved of.  Pictures should generally relate specifically to points being made within the text that they are near; galleries are discouraged.
#Citation style. Someone came through and cleaned these up a lot, which is great.  What still needs to be addressed is that there are not enough, especially in the "History" and "Modern Kendo" sections (at least one reference per paragraph is usually necessary to pass GA.  A single source may be repetitively tagged, but it should actually be tagged at the end of every paragraph to which it applies, so readers can tell that the content has been referenced).  Also, ref tags should appear inline with the article text they reference, they should never be tagged to section headings.
#There are some deviations from WP:HEAD and WP:MOS-JP that I plan to address.
#"The Concept and Purpose of Kendo" section and subsections need some fleshing out, and a citation for the credo that is quoted.
I'd love to see another martial arts article make GA! Bradford44 02:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements needed to submit for GA review

message: In the "history" section it states, "Use of the shinai and armour (bogu) made possible the full force delivery of strikes and thrusts without inflicting injury on the opponent. "
This is incorrect. I have studied Sakurai-ha Kogen Itto Ryu and I can assure you a full-force kote strike is utterly disabling. I almost had my wrist broken that way. The kote bogu is good, but not THAT good, particularly at the seam over the wrist. We were always trained to "pull" our kote strikes (in other words, NOT to deliver them with full force). The same is true for tsuki strikes. I'm not sure of the validity of them, but there are stories of people who have died from improperly delivered tsuki strikes, or tsuki strikes using faulty equipment. Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place, but I just started using Wikipedia and was unsure where else I could go to bring this to someone's attention. Please forgive me if I haven't followed proper protocol or have inconvenienced you!
Zweifachheit (talk) 23:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't pull the kote strike, but rather with proper tenouchi it should reabsorb most of its momentum. Some schools train to hit kote with more force than others though, but a properly hit strike should never be disabling in kendo. What you practice sounds more like kenjutsu, which can be dangerous when practiced in bogu with a shinai as tenouchi is not emphasized as the end of the strike, so there's less "bounce" to the hit. Kendo equipment is designed for kendo, jukendo, and naginata only, as far as I know. SamuelRiv (talk) 04:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A well made Kote strike is very sore, and tends to leave rows of red stitch marks, which can remain for a couple of days, but is a great teacher to remind one of one's proper stance, with elbows IN. When I started, we were shown how, but not encouraged to try tsuki strikes, as it is very dangerous when carried out by the inexperienced. Even a kote strike, when you are following through rapidly can go wrong. (I once stabbed a friend of mine in the shoulder rather hard. Luckily she was not seriously injured)82.6.1.85 (talk) 19:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slight error 

message: This article is lacking detailed explanation of the shinai size and I'm thinking about adding this information so the people planning to start kendo will practice with legal shinai. 
 
Under international kendo federation regulations, regulations for shinai are specifically set.
Current regulations for the shinai can be seen at 
Teppei95070 (talk) 06:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  equipment: shinai size 

message: I'm confused by the distinction between full and semi-contact with respect to kendo. According to the definitions on the Contact sport page, ice hockey (which involves body checking, and protective gear) is a "full contact" sport while kendo (which involves taiatari and bogu) is "semi-contact." To make it more confusing, I've always been told in kendo that the techniques we practice are full power (i.e. since the cut is accomplished by the forward motion rather than the force of the strike)--but the semi-contact definition says "the techniques are restricted to limited power."
Anyhow, it's certainly nothing serious, but I wondered if the "Hardness" of the kendo page should be changed (or, if the Contact sport page should be clarified)?
--Bedlamhotel (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-contact? 

message: I added the phrase "tai atari" to the article about Ramming, specifically about the Japanese name for an extreme air warfare tactic. Can somebody here go to that article and add the Kanji characters for "tai atari"? I can't do that myself. Thanks in advance! Binksternet (talk) 17:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Francis Bond (talk) 12:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Binksternet (talk) 13:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tai atari 

message: I see nothing in this Traditional Kendō article that shouldn't be in this article entitled Kendo. Is this simply a content fork? They share pretty much the same content, same photos being used to illustrate them. Should they be merged? Canterbury Tail talk 18:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Traditional Kendō]] 

message: Kendo in Korea is called Kumdo.   The same Chinese characters 剣道 are used for both, they are just pronounced differently.  There are some minor variations in the rules and customs, and some unfortunate controversy about the origins.  However,  the Korea Kumdo Association (KKA) is an affiliate for the International Kendo Federation, and Korean Kumdo teams compete in the World Kendo Championships.  So I think it is correct to say that there is one entity, normally called Kendo, but also called Kumdo.  If anyone disagrees could they please argue the matter here before they change the Kendo page?
If you would prefer an external source, please see: http://scottshaw.com/kumdo.html.
Francis Bond (talk) 10:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Korea Kumdo Association (KKA) was permitted to become an affiliate for the International Kendo Federation(FIK), by pledging that it conforms the rule of Kendo instead of Kumdo.  KKA applied to IKF because it is crucial to become an affiliate in order to register the dan grade.  Anyway Kumdo is different from Kendo. Kumdo athlete play Kendo with Kendo athlete, and Kumdo with Kumdo athlete.  Again I ask you, if the difference is the only pronunciation, why does the article "Kumdo" exist in en:Wiki?  It should be written in Kendo around the world. ― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't understand your conclusion, as Kumdo athletes play Kendo "i.e, Kendo is also known as Kumdo".  As I said above Kumdo athlete can play both Kumdo and Kendo; different sports.  Kumdo athletes play "Kendo" NOT "Kumdo" when they compete with Kendo athletes in the World Kendo Championships, and they play "Kumdo" NOT "Kendo" when they compete with Kumdo athletes in the Kumdo Championships.  Please read Kumdo carefully, it clearly says "The term is often mistaken for a Korean kendo".   If a description "Kumdo is also known as Kendo" were added in the article Kumdo, I will willingly accept your opinion.   ― Phoenix7777 (talk) 23:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

text: The similar discussion is in progress at Kumdo. Advocates of Kumdo seem to be a position "Kumdo is not Kendo". See . ― Phoenix7777 (talk) 00:27, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Please discuss this issue after getting the consensus as "Kumdo is Kendo" at Kumdo and the article Kumdo getting merged to Kendo around the world. ― Phoenix7777 (talk) 00:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Only in the recent aspects, you should say - your statement contains enough fallacy that a conclusion clearly cannot be made. Nanominori (talk) 00:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kumdo 

message: What is "Tsuba Zeriai"? Its mentioned in the article but never fully explained. DragonZero (talk · contribs) 01:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a reference from google book. This site is also useful. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 01:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tsuba Zeriai 

message: What's with all the dashes in the kanji and kana words, for example "切-返し きり-かえし"? Yes, when we write some Japanese terms in romaji, we add dashes, but they shouldn't be included in the actual Japanese word. If there are no objections in about a week, I'll correct this. Quillaja (talk) 11:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  dashes in the middle of kanji/kana words