Talk:City of Heroes

message: I don't want to change it right away since I don't edit Wikipedia enough to know what is acceptable, but it seems to me the English transliteration of the Korean transliteration of 'City of Hero' is a bit frivolous.  '시티 오브 히어로' is just a transliteration of "City of Hero' and means nothing in Korean.  Why, then is that transliterated back to English as 'Siti Obeu Hieoro?'  I think we can just remove that superfluous transliteration. Ilithios (talk) 07:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Korean transliteration

message: Not that I'm complaining, just wondering why, talk page is pretty quiet about it. UOSSReiska (talk) 15:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-protected?

message: The PEGI rating for City of Heroes has gone from 12+ to 16+ according to the loading screen of the game.(As of Issue 11, i think) Shouldn't the wikipedia article about it be updated? - Kayaia 16:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: PEGI 16+

message: How about a section describing the archetypes. Most fantasy games have the well known class system of warrior, mage, wizard, ranger, hunter etc. I think breaking down the archetype system with a little more in detail would give readers a better understanding on characters and their roles and super powers are in game. Example: Blasters (Fire, ice, guns), Tanker (defender, other, other), etc...
:There was a section dedicated to that, but it was split off to City of Heroes characters for such information. Ryūlóng 21:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This brings up an interesting thought.  Do we want to see about submitting the article for possible Featured status.  Submitting would bring a lot more new eyes to the page, which could be good or bad, but overall should be a good thing.  - TexasAndroid 15:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget the Kheldians!--Eoghanzer 03:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NEW Suggestion

message: Removed "A retail expansion which will work with both games is planned for 2007"; a developer just confirmed on a podcast that all features that were planned for the expansion have instead been shuffled into the next 'issue'. 69.141.234.83 03:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I had not thought of removing that from here, solely from City of Heroes history. Ryūlóng 03:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: I was one of the persons obsessively following this case, so I made a few corrective edits.
To explain some of my edits: I took out the "failed to police" clause only because it was redundant with "actively promoted" in the same sentence.  I reworded instances of the phrase "copyrighted characters" because characters cannot be copyrighted; only the whole works (i.e. the whole comic books, art, films, etc.) in which the characters appear can be copyrighted.  I used the phrase "potentially infringing" because it is disputed whether playing a copy of a Marvel character is fair use or not, but NC Interactive disallows such characters either way.  My edits concerning the EULA come from a close reading of the EULA.  I'm uncertain of the outcome of Fonovisa v. Cherry; the only document I found online was an appellate reversal of the dismissal, which is not the same thing as Fonovisa winning.  Finally, I added a mention of the partial dismissal of Marvel's claims because it seemed highly relevant.
Anyway, if someone can find out the final disposition of Fonovisa v. Cherry, and cite the documents for it, that would be great! Matt Fitzpatrick 02:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marvel v NCSoft lawsuit 

message: In my mind, as a player, enhancements, inspirations, influence, prestige, and salvage are all related, but distinct.  I know there is some butting of heads going on as to structure here, so perhaps we should discuss and get this settled.
I'd propose grouping all six of these together under a more general "Rewards" topic; information about experience points and leveling up, badges and gladiators, and unlockable costume pieces and super group base placeables could also be placed under "Rewards."
The subsection on experience debt could be the seed for a new section, "Hazards" perhaps.  Mission failure conditions, prisons instead of hospitals, anti-teleportation zones, environmental emanators (such as Circle of Thorns crystals), and (in PvP) hostile police drones could be other topics to place in such a "Hazards" section.  Enemy-related hazards, such as ambush spawns, would still go under "Enemies," of course.  I don't think separate subsections under "Hazards" is warranted, though, because other than experience debt, these "hazards" are all minor or infrequent elements of the game.  Matt Fitzpatrick 18:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget temporary powers. --Robotech_Master 19:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Temp powers (and all other powers) can be found at List of powers in City of Heroes and City of Villains; however, I have tried in the past to combine all of these new sections (enhancements, etc.) but I could not think of a good header for everything, or think of a suitable way to reword some of the sections. I fully support this, but I do not have time to do it myself. Ryūlóng 22:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure: Rewards and Hazards? 

message: How many pool powers can you have? --Kingdom hearts llll 14:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can choose four different pools(leadership, fitness, etc), not including epic pools.  You can choose all the powers in each pool if you wish, so up to 16 pool powers(assault, swift, etc) and 4 more epic pool powers. PureSoldier 14:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There are none. They are called the "Ancillary Power Pools" that are chosen when a player gets to level 41. They are usually powers that are used to round out the characters other powers; Scrappers and Tankers get some ranged powers, Blasters and Defenders get self-defensive and melee powers, Controllers get offensive powers, and the like.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many pool powers can you have? 

message: In the Payment options section, it contains the following prices:
* 1 month for $14.99
* 3 months for $41.85 ($13.95 per month)
* 6 months for $77.70 ($12.95 per month)
* 12 months for $143.40 ($11.95 per month)
* 60-day prepaid time card for $29.99 suggested retail price
I know the one month option is correct, and I just added the 60-day prepaid time card option.  But the others, I don't think they're correct.  If I'm not mistaken, I think that no matter what billing cycle you choose, the game is $14.99 per month, period.  In other words, if you're billed every six months, each billing cycle will be billed at $89.94 (or $14.99 x 6).
Can someone confirm or refute this?  If not, my card is billed yearly, and the billing cycle is going to hit next week.  --TonyV 06:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sigh  Of course, five minutes after posting this, I find this article on their support site, whereas I couldn't find it in the 30 minutes prior.  I was still thinking I got billed $14.99 no matter what billing cycle I chose, though.  Please don't reply to this comment yet.  When my billing cycle hits, I'll know for sure, and if the information as posted is correct, I'll just remove this comment entirely.  --TonyV 06:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: For the time card issue, we'll need more than "I was told by someone." An article or announcement regarding the change in time cards would be a much better source. QuasiAbstract (talk) 18:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I contacted "PlayNc Support" and asked if there are still those "60 day Game Time Cards" available. "PlayNC Support, Dennis" replied at 01/17/2008 09:27 PM: "Thank you for contacting PlayNC Support.We would like to inform you that, Game Time Cards are available for 15/ 30/ 45/ 60 days. A game time card is not game specific. A game time card for any of our games will work on a City of Heroes account or a Lineage II account." --legacy 1 19:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter who told you, direct communication from someone to an editor can not be used as a source unless it is in the firm of a permanent viewable copy (like a web post).  A phone call or email is unacceptable.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 14:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Payment options correct? 

message: I'm seeing a few questions about game mechanics and such here.  I think it should be stressed that this page is not a Q&A forum to get questions about City of Heroes answered.  For that, there are the official site forums, particularly the Player Guides forum and the Player Questions forum.  Also, the article and this page aren't mean to be an in-depth guide to City of Heroes.  For that, I highly suggest you visit the Paragon Wiki, which is a wiki set up specifically for the game and that contains all the nitty-gritty details that aren't appropriate for a general-purpose wiki such as the Wikipedia. --TonyV 06:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. We can't stress this enough here.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions about Game Mechanics and In-Depth Info 

message: The article should be updated to include the new loot-base Invention system, which changes a lot of the Enhancement-based game dynamics since ED.
Also, shouldn't there be a general section that briefly mentions the issue updates, approximately when they were released, and the major content provided by each issue?  Or perhaps this would be too in-depth for the article's breadth. Archabaddon 22:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue information is already over at History of City of Heroes and City of Villains. - TexasAndroid 23:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Issue 9 Updates

message: This wiki page and its sub-category pages read like a player guide. Detailed information on enhancements, enemies, etc. are not notable wiki content. I propose deleting the character creation, items, enemy groups, zones, and possibly the gameplay update history pages entirely. Jeff Alexander 01:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The sections are not player guides. They exist to describe aspects that would otherwise make this article too large.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Most sub pages describe things, but do not tell you how to use what is described. That's the difference between information and a player guide.--Zikar 06:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I retract my last statement. There are lots of stuff there that could go... I think items, enemies and zones should likely be deleted. Character creation (although, the name should be changed) and history should remain in my opinion since they do more than just explain in-game mechanics.--Zikar 06:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The article was too large because the information it contained was more detailed than necessary. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. Several of those sections (now sub-pages) are closer to a game manual or a straight dump of game data than to an encyclopedia article. For example, List_of_powers_in_City_of_Heroes_and_City_of_Villains (which I add to my list of pages I don't think serve wiki's goals). I don't see how a thorough history of game changes and holiday events is notable wiki content. I agree that the character creation page is more an Archetype summary; I think it can stay if it's presented more as such. Jeff Alexander 09:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub-pages not notable wiki content

message: For a relatively short period, inactive accounts ran the risk of having the names of their characters taken by new players in the character creator. The lack of names being taken from inactive characters eventually led to this policy being revoked. While this policy was active, the character itself was left untouched and a player who lost his character's name was given the option to choose a new one.
This is no longer accurate. I logged in last night after 3 years of inactivity and found this policy to be in effect, possibly re-activated silently with an Issue release.
*Yes it was reinstated in September of 2007.  You can only loose character names that are below level 6.  So names of characters that have been leveled up past 5 are always safe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.227.80 (talk) 03:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I do not beleive names are currently being lost, but if your name was recycled during the previous purge, and you just now logged in, then you would indeed just now see the loss of the character name, even though it was actually lost a while back.  - TexasAndroid 15:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not currently the case, but the 30 day notice was just posted that the inactive name policy is being re-instated. 90 days of inactivty and below level 6 for this next batch. It does sound like your names were 'flagged' as available during the last time and were taken during that period.  Catwhoorg 16:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: No worries the paragraph looks great now. Catwhoorg 15:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Praise (Correction Needed) 

message: Should we add a part about that old joke somewhere?  The Warcraft article talks about Leeroy Jenkins, and it became more than just an internet meme when they actually added it to the game. Rebochan 20:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kill Skuls

message: In the protection by Ryochan, I think an edit regarding Issue 11 was removed.  While I agree listing powers and in-game items is not encyclopedic in nature and shouldn't be done, listing very basic information would be still useful, i.e.: 
Issue 11, named "A Stitch In Time" was made available in October 2007 as a closed beta to select players.  The update adds a new storyline involving "Ouroboros" and time travel to the game's features. The Issue is expected to go out live late 2007/Q1 2008. 
Would this sound better versus "Dual Blades and Willpower sets go live!"? 208.24.252.14 23:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Issue 11

message: general subject because more will be found I'm sure.
In "External links" the link Text of Marvel's complaint points to an outdated article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.93.172.114 (talk) 12:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dead and outdated links 

message: I don't think that this statement is accurate: "The City of Heroes Development Team also initiates events based on North American holidays and observances, starting with Halloween in 2004, followed by a Winter Event (eventually becoming a primarily Christmas-themed event), and the newest holiday observance as Valentine's Day event."
Since when are Halloween, Christmas, and Valentine's Day North American holidays? I believe that all are celebrated in at least some of Europe, and Christmas is celebrated in many places besides North America. I would think that the statement about events being based on North American holidays should be altered somehow to reflect this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesuperpower (talk • contribs) 08:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's now a blurb about the celebration around the world.  I do believe that the "North American" part was to show that the holidays were shown in-game in a North American style.  (I know Valentine's Day celebrations and customs vary from country to country) ~QuasiAbstract (talk/contrib) 10:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I can't find something about "Western" referring to the general holidays of North America and Western Europe> Halloween is generally a US/UK/Irish holiday, the Winter Event is based on the Christmas traditions in the countries where the game is played (except for Korea), and Valentine's Day is treated about the same. I can't find a word to describe them.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  North American Holidays? 

message: Looking at www.cityofhero.com (the City of Heroes Korean site) it looks very much like a holding page telling people to use the US version instead, which would indicate NCSoft deciding not to extend the open beta into a full product. Is anyone able to translate from Korean? Aquarion (talk) 08:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we can certainly still state that there was a plan for a Korean game. However, this topic matter is not meant for the talk page of this article. Perhaps you should ask this question at CoH's forums.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I still cannot find any official announcements to the effect, but it would appear from asking there (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=general&Number=10258200) and a translated version of the CityOfHero.com site (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpm.ncsoft.net%2Fcoh%2F&langpair=ko%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) that it didn't take off and was shut down. Despite the lack of official press releases, which I suspect is just an attempt to keep it quiet, it's probably worth relegating the info about the Korean service (which had its own servers) to its own section. Aquarion (talk) 08:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the single sentence in the lead is probably decent. We could simply just say "the beta has ended, and cancelled."—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, City of Hero is dead, Korean players were given one free account transfer to the US servers if they wanted to keep playing or something. But I can't find any official links on the subject. --Zikar (talk) 09:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Heroes Korea dead? 

message: I would like to take this article and give it a good hair cut.  I do not like the overview section it seems to be more of a "gameplay" section.  The overview also repeats a lot of information given later in the article instead of lightly landing on each topic as an overview should.
So I would suggest changing this overview into a gameplay section much like you would see in a board game manual.  Bringing in all the items that have to do with gameplay such as: items, character creation, enemies, and geography, would help make this article more cohesive.  I would like to start the process soon.  If there are any other ideas out there please put them here.Giddeanx (talk) 13:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Wikipedia is not meant to be a game manual or guide. I think it would be best to see how other similar articles are formatted (World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, etc.) when reformatting this article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, then try to make the article more cohesive then :D—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cohesion (Edit Edit Edit) 

message: Many of the articles in :Category:City of Heroes characters are stubs with no secondary sources and no signs of being able to expand with significant out-of-universe information. I believe most of them would end up deleted if taken to AFD. I suggest merging them into an article such as Universe of City of Heroes. Pagrashtak 21:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Revisiting this general idea, would it be acceptable to merge the Geography section to the universe article? Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 07:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This thread is over a year old. A new discussion should be started instead of picking up the old one.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge to create Universe article 

message: Two issues have gone by, 12 and 13, and nobody has seemed to have payed any attention to it. Not updated at all. Not even the powersets for 12 and 13 have been updated (being Pain Domination for 12 and Shields for 13.) If I had an account on Wikipedia, which I will soon enough, I would update this myself. But I just wanted to mention it before I just wrote it down.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.185.192 (talk) 13:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Article isn't protected, you could add the info whenever.  Though getting a username would be a good idea. ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 13:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not updated? 

message: According to Gamespy City of Heroes was no#8 for 2004 irrespective of the claims on City of Heroes website. I suspect this is a deliberate attempt to decieve people but that asides, I think Gamespy is a better source for who got game of the year 2004 then the developers or City of Heroes and therefore the reference on the article to their award should be deleted.--Senor Freebie (talk) 06:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In any case like this, where two references conflict, find a third source.  There is no reason to assume that one reference is more trustworthy or better than another.  Perhaps GameSpy got it wrong, and CoH's site was correct all along.  Get a third reference, such as whoever hands out the awards.  Assumption that one source is more correct than another is still assumption. ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 09:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I just checked out the awards page on the City of Heroes website, and the award claimed was not "Game of the Year", but "Editor's Choice" and "Game of the Month" for May 04.  I imagine that whoever added the award to the article was added all or most of the awards at the same time, and mistyped this award.  CoH isn't claiming a "Game of the Year" award from GameSpy. ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 09:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies. One of my colleagues at work stated that they were a few days ago. He must've just seen the badges on their page and made that assumption. Still, the award was incorrectly listed here.--Senor Freebie (talk) 13:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I have no stake in this discussion, I just came here via the 3rd opinion page.  Here is my opinion: whether this external site is construed as a wiki or a fansite or both seems to be beside the point.  Rather, the question is, why does this link belong in the article.  Wikipedia articles are meant to be concise and informative descriptions, backed up by sources.  An article is not a jumping off point to a lot of external content.  That is what the game's website is for.  Unless the external link is a substantial source for the article or a major locus of content - i.e. the game's official website - it shouldn't be here, regardless of the ins and outs of when we should and shouldn't link to other wikis.  My opinion is that this link is unencyclopedic and shouldn't be here. -Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 23:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking a look. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 07:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Opinion

message: Wouldn't it be interesting to point out that the word "superhero" o "super-hero" is never used in any marketing material, because it is trademarked my Marvel and DC? (in all the materials, there are words like "super powered hero" - http://www.cityofheroes.com/trial/index.html )
I don't know about the game itself, though, because I have never played it... --85.160.71.24 (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not really.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

text: That is such a broad idea that you'd have to bring it up in every other super-heroic endeavor by other companies in their Wikipedia articles and there's really no reason to do so when it comes to the game itself. There has been no issue with trademark of the word itself in the game's history. About character trademarks, yes. About the word "superhero", no. It also doesn't merit a mention here because you can specifically go to the article about [Superheroes] itself and get the information there which is a much more efficient and direct way to get that information anyway. Besides, you can follow links in the footer of the article from "Superhero video games" to Category:Superheroes and finally to Superhero anyway--ThePenciler (talk) 01:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "superhero" word 

message: Would it be feasible to tableize these updates showing effective dates (approximations fine on older issues), Update Titles, Gameplay Changes, UI Changes, and Rules Changes as possible columns?  This I think would shore up each issue to the most essential changes per issue, make descriptions simpler, and resemble something like the charts used in TV Seasons on Wikipedia for example.
I'd try the "go bold" attempt, but I believe there's enough of a following in editors for this page to try for consensus first before ruffling feathers.  209.180.155.12 (talk) 02:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A table could work. We'd just have to make sure that everything is officially stated by the updates.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty, then... I'll take a crack at it later next week if no one beats me to it. (And allow time for others who think it's fine the way it looks now to speak up.) 209.180.155.12 (talk) 01:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited the issue list into a table as suggested, since nobody's objected in the last 6 months LLamaBoy (talk) 20:42, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks brilliant, that's why. 209.180.155.12 (talk) 13:53, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates 

message: Saw a good interview about the game  it mention the architect system for user generated content which does not seem to get mention in the article. I've not played the game so I don't really feel confident to add info about it. --Salix (talk): 22:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Heroes Senior Designer Joe Morrissey on the Conception and Philosophy Behind the Architect System 

message: The aforementioned parts of the article state that Issue 17 will include new power sets (Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning) and that Going Rogue will include a graphics update, however the Official Issue 17 Overview Page makes absolutely no mention of the new power sets coming specifically with Issue 17 and does make mention of an upcoming graphics upgrade with that issue. A preliminary internet search gives no information about a graphics upgrade ALSO coming with Going Rogue.
I will remove these information bits from the article.
If anyone can find factual verifiable confirmation declaring that the Power Sets will be included with Issue 17 and that Going Rogue will have it's own graphics upgrade different from the Ultramode coming with Issue 17, then please put the information back into the article at that time and make the appropriate links.
Light Bearer (talk) 09:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections regarding Issue 17 and Going Rogue contain incorrect or unsourced information 

message: There have been multiple new item packs added namely the animal pack, the origins pack and the Going Rogue complete item pack. This should be reflected on the page  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.204.208 (talk) 19:19, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Item Packs 

message: At the top was a warning box that read, "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (February 2011)"
But when I checked this talk page I didn't see any dispute about the neutrality of the article. It appears to have been added during a drive-by-edit by an unregistered IP address.
If I'm wrong then someone can always put the box back up on the page, and then add a big "Don't Vandalize!!!" warning to my talk page as usual. Seanr451 (talk) 22:33, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Dispute? 

message: Since COH is end of life, the fanbase is going to repeatedly vandalize this page.  You might want to lock it if you hope at all to keep it the way it is.  (Versus folks slapping in petition and kickstarter links over and over again. 75.141.15.56 (talk) 15:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I requested this before the damage really started, but it was denied because "protection is not preventative".—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:34, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a sentence stating that the former developers and various fan projects were underway seeking to save the game, referenced to the Massively MMO news site.  Since the game is not yet closed, efforts are in fact underway to save it, and they've been covered in reliable sources, I think at least a brief notice should be taken of the fact.  I would agree that petition and kickstarter links probably don't belong in the article directly. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: With the RS, yup, good to include it.  Agree that the petition and kickstarter aren't needed here.  Ravensfire (talk) 16:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That CNN source looks like it was just someone who was in no way affiliated with CNN posting a story to their site. It has "NOT VETTED FOR CNN" plastered all over it. I've removed it, as it was just a pisspoor attempt to get the Change.org petition posted somewhere.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:38, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the format of the CNN iReport: regular citizens submit stories. The article has been vetted by CNN iReport Producer Henry Hanks as newsworthy. Is your stance that Wikipedia should not link to iReports in general, there are plenty other links to it, for example: Dolphin_Action_and_Protection_Group? Are you against including it because Henry Hanks admits to having played City of Heroes? I understand excluding articles "NOT VETTED FOR CNN" but this article no longer is at that status. I think http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-840174 would make a valid reference to a report documenting the efforts to save the game, it describes all the important efforts and links to them. Your reaction sounds emotional to me, especially the word "pisspoor", can you explain your reasoning? AdriaanRenting (talk) 21:47, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: My stance is that the iReports are not reliable sources as anyone can submit them. But these are just opinion pieces and have no actual bearing on the events other than this one person's response to them. It's also a vague attempt to include the petitions.—Ryulong (琉竜) 23:26, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protection? 

message: On August 31 NCsoff made ​​the decision to close Paragon Studios 
--Gusama Romero (talk) 02:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's covered already.—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:43, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Announced the closure of City of Heroes  

message: For a defunct video game, the length of this article compared to its importance scale (Low, C) seems out of whack.  Is there anything that can be trimmed out since people can't play it anymore and notability isn't likely to increase? (Disclaimer: I am a ex-player, I am not trying to troll folks, but I also see less than 10% of a chance NCSoft is going to change their stance on the COH IP.) I figured mentioning this in Talk before "being bold" would be a wise move instead of revert wars. 75.141.15.56 (talk) 23:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would it matter to the length of the article that the game's now defunct? And why should an article of "low importance" be short? --Xario (talk) 14:25, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Long (Ver. 2) 

message: This section is a bit disingenuous.
At the time that City of Heroes came out all (if not all - a very high percentage) of MMORPGs were subscription based.
It was only during the time that City of Heroes was available to play that things like game-trails, extended-game trails, and F2P mechanics began to appear.
This kind of goes to the "free updates" as well as other games were charging when they updated their games (example: World of Warcraft). City of Heroes did have two "paid updates" - City of Villains and City of Heroes :: Going Rogue.
So City of Heroes went through at least these phases of game access during it's life-span.
Only Subscription (for full access)
Only Subscription (with some cash shop purchases)
Subscription to City of Heroes, City of Villains, or both at the same time (all with some cash shop purchases) and 3 or 7 day free trial to City of Heroes  (can't remember which - but capped at level 13 and no cash shop access) (can't remember if you could upgrade these accounts or if had to start all over if you subscribed)(These trail "codes" came in the City of Villains box - one for you, in case you didn't already play City of Heroes, and one for a friend)
Subscription to City of Heroes/City of Villains as one regardless if you bought both the City of Heroes and the City of Villains (with some cash shop purchases)
Subscriptions (cash shop purchase options begin increasing and including non-cosmetic items) and 14-day free trail (capped at level 13 and no cash shop, but characters could be converted to a full account status by subscribing).
Subscriptions (cash shop purchase options begin increasing and including non-cosmetic items) and a free trial that never ended (but was capped at level 13 with no cash shop access, but characters could be converted to a full account by subscribing)
Subscriptions (cash shop purchase options begin increasing and including non-cosmetic items) and a F2P (free-to-play) model with no level cap and through which you could purchase options that that subscribers where receiving access to "for free" (free if you consider paying a subscription fee not paying anything for access to the game material from the cash shop (as well as cash shop access to anything that subscribers could purchase previously - I'm pretty sure this included character slots, etc.)
It is important note that City of Heroes (et al.) didn't go F2P until other games were being released as near F2P such as NCSoft titles like Guild Wars 2 - where you pay for the initial game but there are no on-going subscription fees. (As I recall, Guild Wars did have subscription fee - at least in America).
Even City of Hero competitors Champions Online and DC Universe Online started as subscription-only models with the exception that both of them offered a life-time subscription option before the "live" release of the game. This should be noted at least here.
The section in the article on subscriptions seems to paint a completely different picture from what actually when on in the game and in the gaming world in general at the time that City of Heroes was up and running. WereTech (talk) 12:55, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
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message: There seem to be a large number of homage projects; ranging from 'same client' to server side projects based on the chat protocol that NCSoft released, and spiritual successors.
*Paragon Chat | original game client; allows costume customization and moving in world; no combat
*Titans Online | Volunteer project
*Ship of Heroes | Spiritual successor / Commercial
*Valiance Online | Spiritual successor / Commercial
There are also similar games, such as DC Comics Online and Champions Online. (I'd say Marvel Online isn't as you can't customize it seems like?)
What do you guys think of me adding a section, something like "Successors / Similar games"? I was building the list for my own purposes and would like to give back to the community, which is surprisingly still active (I saw over a dozen people 'in game' with Paragon Chat).
Jgwinner (talk) 21:39, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: release date was April 28th
Link shows the 2 year anniversary annoucement reflecting that date
https://web.archive.org/web/20060522225131/http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/archives/2006/04/celebrating_cit.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20040610021050/http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/item224.html
Catwhoorg (talk) 17:11, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date 

message: Is there any particular reason the page hasn't been updated in the last year or so to reflect all the new private servers such as Homecoming, etc. that have sprung up? It seems odd that it's been a whole year with not a single mention. I wouldn't want to try to put something in about that if there was some reason it would immediately be reverted. —Robotech_Master (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homecoming, Rebirth, etc... 

message: So what do you do when there's new news about the game but there aren't news articles reporting on it and the only thing reporting on it is an official news article from the game itself? City of Heroes: Homecoming has apparently acquired a license from NCSoft to host their game, and I have added a citation to the news on the game's website. Matthew Cenance (talk) 17:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like we finally have confirmation from NCSoft about the license agreement, per PC Gamer: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/mmo/with-a-near-unprecedented-official-license-for-its-fan-server-one-of-pc-gamings-great-mmos-has-a-vibrant-future-let-it-be-shouted-far-and-wide-city-of-heroes-lives-again/ 71.61.91.13 (talk) 16:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homecoming has acquired a license 

message: As Old devs roll into the forums and NCsoft continues their quiet stance I feel a parity update was due to bring the article into the present. Should the article be stuck as an archival with a new page for Homecoming or does everyone agree that it should be brought back to the present. SoggiestSoup (talk) 12:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parity Update