Talk:Tsuchinoko

message: So this is the Tsuchinoko details. I have been playing metal gear solid 3 snake eater you see, and wondered what it was! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.98 (talk) 19:12, April 11, 2005 (UTC)
me too :) thanks for the info, guy who wrote this (wakka?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.92.18 (talk) 04:00, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
: Glad you found it useful.  I actually just translated the content from the Japanese version.  Japanese mythology is really pretty awesome. --waka 04:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added details 

message: Wow, I don't think Doraemon should be used as a source of info. Yes, I know the Japanese wiki uses it, but it still doesn't belong there. It should belong in the 'fictional depictions' section. IIRC, the episode was about how Tsuchinoko were popular pets in the future, so the main characters go to the future in their time machine to buy a Tsuchinoko, and bring it back so they can win a prize for being the first to 'find' one. Of course they are foiled, and their rivals end up finding it first. If this is a credible story, I suggest the Time Machine article needs revising :) Identity0 23:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I don't agree.  When I translated the page, I just brought the data over verbatim.  Though Doraemon probably isn't the most reliable of sources, we're talking about the characteristics of a fictional creature here, and Doraemon predates all of the other pop-culture media references in the article.  Sure, it'd be better if we had a reference from the Kojiki, but since we don't, I think referencing Doraemon is better than omitting the data completely.  Also, as this is a translation of a Japanese article, I think that deferring this decision to the original author is appropriate.  --waka 03:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would disagree with that.  Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia of true and verifiable (as well as verified) information, not a resource for translated websites.  While there's nothing wrong with getting info from a good website and translating it, if the website uses questionable sources then there's no reason to be faithful there.  Also, just because the creature is "mythological" (I would use the word "folkloric" instead) doesn't mean that anything goes.  Folklore is a valid academic field of study, and you can bet that folklorists won't use sources like manga when they write their articles.  The standards of Wikipedia should be nothing less. Shikino 15:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Doraemon?

message: I removed this edit from the page recently:
::There  Is also a legend in a small latin american country that states that the tsuchinoko can be fought by luring it with alcohol.If the person kills the tsuchinoko it will release a small crystal from its mouth,as long as the victor carries the crystal he will never lose a fight.It has also been said that the tsuchinoko can be found in the small country of El Salvador(mainly in its tropical rainforests).
Now, I'm pretty confused: are there legends in El Salvador based on Japanese myth?  That would be pretty interesting, if there some sort of source to site.  I removed the block because it seems more likely that the author was referring to a similar cryptid from South America. --waka 14:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: El Salvador?

message: I understand that those of us with no first-hand exposure to Japan outside anime and video games will think that listing monsters that vaguely resemble Tsuchinoko is somehow important. It isn't. First, nothing in Pop Cult is referenced, which means it shouldn't be there to begin with. Secondly, it embarrassing to the rest of us since it gives undue weight to things that are the definition of trivia. When you're 13 years old then I can understand why noting down every time the term Tsuchinoko is mentioned in toys and games marketed for Western audiences probably feels vastly important. Once you break open an actual book, though, and do some frikkin' research that would stand up to academic inquiry, in other words take Japanese mythology seriously, then whatever you come up, video games or no, should and will go into this article. Anything else needs to be drop kicked and deleted.Duende-Poetry (talk) 20:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations.  Now the article is nearly empty of content.  Good job.Thetrellan (talk) 01:01, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

text: just because you do not find popculture references interesting does not mean they should not be included. Its a standard practice across wikipedia for mythological creatures or even historical events to an extent. Im happy to put together references for all of them with you however if you are not opposed to working with me on this, otherwise I will be adding them as I see them. Bgrus22 (talk) 02:49, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Nuking the Pop Cult Section From Orbit (it's the only way to be sure)

message: I got just as many results from 土の子 "child of dirt" which makes a lot more sense as an etymology. Y'know, being a fat snake that crawls around in the dirt. Is it possible the 'hammer' homophone was more of a joke at first? Are there any etymology history studies here?
Yeah, I agree... I'm no Japanese expert nor would I say I speak the language, but I am aware that "tsuchi" means dirt and "ko" means child. STIK2009 (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @STIK2009 I'm technically beating a dead horse back to life but I'll explain for future editors as well. "Tsuchi" does generally mean "dirt", but in this case it's written in a different kanji letter than that. Pretty confusing in English, but it's more obvious for jpwiki and Japanese speakers, so it makes sense why everyone's confused. With now that said, the lead section is probably fully accurate. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 12:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Hammer?