Talk:August Klughardt

message: Did not compose a single symphonic poem- not sure about that?- hrm. My notations from searching various catalogs for a partial Klughardt worklist some months back (I'm list-happy) include the cryptic and probably incorrect note 'a tone poem, on CD' but there is an 'Im frühling' op. 30 in the Library of Congress. Don't know what it is though. (And the Tonbilder 'Zerstörung Jerusalems' (the Destruction of Jerusalem) op. 75, don't know what sort of piece this is either. I will transfer what I can (sufficiently...) verify of my list though, including the cello concerto, the oboe concertpiece, the Schilflieder op 28, e.g. though... perhaps, and keys and opus #s for several of the symphonies (not the sixth though, I don't have that one - str op 62 & pno quintets in G minor, sym 3 in D op 37, sym 5 in C minor op 71, sym (1? 2?) in A minor op 34, yes- the one with its own page in DE wikipedia is sym 4 I recall?... a trio pno/str in B-flat op 47, quartets for strings op 61 and in F, concert ov op 45, conc op 68 (instr unknown to me at this time), for cello op 59 has been recorded, oboe concertpiece op 18, etc - various piano pieces etc., in LoC catalog and British Library) Schissel : bowl listen 22:01, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The list of works in MGG (this is an important German music encyclopedia) does not name a symphonic poem. Die Zerstörung Jerusalems is an oratorio. I don't know: perhaps it is called "Tonbilder" (in English Tone Pictures) in the subtitle. Im Frühling (In spring) is a Concert Overture according to MGG. You are right, Symphony No. 4 has an own page in DE wikipedia. I have to look at it once more. --Holger Sambale 16:40, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Hello Eric, it might be a good idea to look for the years in which the works were composed in the scores. In most cases, MGG only lists the year in which they were published, perhaps the scores can give us some additional information. As well, I don't know some Opus numbers (Die Zerstörung Jerusalems seems to be Opus 75 according to your list...). --Holger Sambale 15:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Most musicologists these days consider 'Lenore' to be a symphonic poem (as well as the 2nd symphony) - the Grove wil be updating his and many more articles in a forthcoming edition. NOTE- http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=1005489 50.111.25.253 (talk) 00:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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message: The sole reason to number symphonies is to indicate chronology – UNLESS upturning an already established numbering scheme has become so entrenched that changing it would cause too much confusion. Klughardt did not number his symphonies himself, but he initially did not publish Lenore as a symphony at all. For that reason, it seems to me that "No. 1" should be either the actual first symphony, Waldleben (it may be withdrawn, but it was still performed and does exist), or the F minor, Op. 34 from 1876. The former option appears to be more evident, the more so since the only extant recording cycle of the symphonies by CPO uses that scheme as well. --Ilja.nieuwland (talk) 18:15, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The situation with'Lenore' is confusing - but the critical consensus (not to mention a recording of the work) has settled on it being a symphonic poem. 50.111.25.253 (talk) 01:06, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbering the symphonies