Talk:Hip hop music/Archive 1

message: This is mostly a self-nom. Tuf-Kat 23:32, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)
*Object. Comprehensive referencing and continuous prose is required in the "Further spread to the US and abroad" heading. Certainly well on the way however. - Aaron Hill 03:07, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)
*Object. Lead intro is too long and should have some of the info incorporated into the main story. Haven't read the rest I'm afraid, so can't comment any further. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:33, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed FAC nomination

message: I removed this:
:Although Bob Dylan invented rapping with his 'Subterranean Homesick Blues',
You could say it's similar to what later became known as "rapping", or, more accurately, MCing in hip hop, but this song is no more of an influence than any other monotonically-phrased song pre-1970. For example, the Warner Bros. cartoon short Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs from 1942 is FILLED with what one might term "rapping", but hip-hop's influences are from West Africa, the West Indies (specifically Jamaica), and artists like James Brown and Gil Scott-Heron.
--b. Touch 02:19, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Dylan 

message: I feel the need to point out that although the genres are often mixed, rapping is not an essential part of Hip-Hop. "Yeah!" by Usher definetely mixes dance beats with Ludacris rapping, and it can be called Hip-Hop/Rap. Most of the time Eminem and Jay-Z types are rapping without really a beat to dance to, but a song like "Hey Ya!" by OutKast really has no rapping in it.
:This is not correct. "Hip-hop" and "rap" refer to the same exact genre of music. "Hip-hop" was the name given to the music, "rap" is what it was called when it became commercialized. The generaly accepted usage of the two terms in the present day essentially labels most commercialized hip-hop (anything by Ludacris, Ja Rule, etc.) as "rap" and artists who come closer to embodying the elements and spirit of hip-hop (OutKast, Common Sense, The Roots, etc.), as "hip-hop". Usher's "Yeah!" is an R&B song with strong hip-hop influences and a rapped verse from Ludacris. Even with hip-hop inspired elements, it is still an R&B song; Usher sings, not raps, the verses and the hook. And "danceable" beats are hardly a prerequisite of hip-hop. Many hip-hop rhythm tracks are made simply to suit the mood of the song and not for dancing purposes. For these songs, the "head nod" factor is more important than dancibility. Oh, and "Hey Ya!" isn't a hip-hop song; it's pop. Andre 3000's The Love Below (the album from which "Hey Ya!" comes) is not a hip-hop album; it's basically a progressive funk album. --FuriousFreddy 19:57, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hip Hop and Rap? 

message: What on earth is a "percussion break"? If someone who knows could create an article, that would be great! Even a stub would be fine :-) Ta bu shi da yu 01:07, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done, now redirected. Hyacinth 01:21, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Does Break (music) adequately answer your question? Hyacinth 01:18, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question from a musical pleb 

message: Should the article uses emcee and DJ, but it should be consistant using either emcee and deejay or MC and DJ--Clawed 01:13, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: emcee DJ

message: So, who feels like compeating against my wikical lyrical prowless? >:)
add all my articles to your page son, they simply flawless...
Cuz hip-hop, you're the love of my life... Baduizm
Project2501a 08:58, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) Wikipedia is not a freestlye board. Try here: http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi. 2) You mean slam poetry? Err...if you can integrate it, I suppose. Saul Williams should be mentioned as a slam poet, but Onyx would belong on a List of hip hop musicians. I just added them. --b. Touch 16:40, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Bust a rhyme]] 

message: Under the heading of 2000s, it is mentioned that "it was not until the sudden breakthrough success of the hard-edged 50 Cent that hardcore hip hop returned to the pop charts," when it was actually  Dr. Dre's re-emergence with 2001 and production of G-Unit that brought back hardcore hip hop. - Stephen Lauer 3/4/5 1:03PM
:By 2001, Dr. Dre was a seasoned veteran, and had left behind Hardcore hip-hop with Death Row. No one would belive that Dre or Snoop were still thugs or gangstas--they were full-grown men by this time. 50 Cent, on the other hand, was the first hip-hop performer since 2Pac to (a) cultivate a "gangsta"/criminal image and (b) become an overwhelming pop music sensation at the same time. --b. Touch 19:34, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forgot about Dre? 

message: Some anon changed the numbers around for the sale figuress for eminem & nelly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hip_hop_music&diff=0&oldid=15321578
anybody know what the real numbers are?
Project2501a 07:55, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The way it was before, with Em at nine mil and Nelly at six mil. I fixed it. --FuriousFreddy 17:42, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  thank you. Project2501a 21:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sale figures for eminem & nelly 

message: "They take your drawers off for you, they show your ass, they sell bullshit, they call themselves 'niggaz' and the women 'bitches' and 'hos' and it's fine with everybody. That's what the essence of decadence is." - Wynton Marsalis 
:Sounds like he's talking about mainstream gangsta rap to me, hardly applies to the whole genre.  Would be like someone listening to Wynton Marsalis and deciding post-1970s jazz was nothing but soulless corporate traditionalists peddling recycled Bird licks to clueless middle aged rich white guys.  But then that would be unfair to people who aren't Wynton Marsalis.  Like, for example, his brother Branford, who is adventurous enough to meld jazz with such things as...*gasp*...hip hop, releasing two whole albums in collaboration with DJ Premier.  And Wynton is pretty much on his own here - the jazz musicians who have dabbled in or expressed admiration for hip hop include Herbie Hancock, Freddie Hubbard, Donald Byrd, Greg Osby, Jason Moran, Don Byron, Kenny Garrett, Ron Carter, and Max Roach.  
:And by the way, if you're going to engage people in long-running discussions like the one we had up the page, don't suddenly abandon it for no apparent reason.  If you don't want to finish, don't start. --Jamieli 12:07, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marsalis on rap / hip-hop 

message: Though i'd let you guys know :) Project2501a 20:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heads up 

message: While I would have agree with this 20 years ago, Breakdancing and Grafitti, as it relates to Hip Hop has long since been defunct.
Every few years breakdancing and popping will bounce back as a fad, but then quickly die hard.
I think that we should insert somewhere that these were of historical significance, as opposed to making me believe that the author got his information from movies such as "Breakin'".--MPA
:Breakdancing and Grafitti are still very much elements of hip-hop culture, as they always have been and always will be. Note that there is a difference between hip-hop music and hip-hop culture.  --FuriousFreddy 00:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  BreakDancing and Grafitti as elements of Hip Hop? 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: Put some full lyrics to rap music please and name this article rap instead of hip hop as rap is different from hip hop I love rap music (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: DJ Kool Herc. Clive Campbell (born 16 April 1955), better known by his stage name DJ Kool Herc, is a Jamaican American DJ who is credited with originating hip hop music in the early 1970s in The Bronx, New York City. 202.67.81.217 (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: though rapping is not a required component of hip hop music; the genre may also incorporate other elements of hip hop culture, including DJing, turntablism, scratching, beatboxing, instrumental tracks, and singing. robstaf (talk) 19:52, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP (talk • contribs) 20:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2017 

message: This is a semi-protected edit request for the Hip Hop music page.
Hello, I would like to propose that a criticism section be added to the Hip Hop music page.
There are two Wikipedia articles that pertain to this subject. The first article is titled Misogyny_in_rap_music and the second article is titled Homophobia_in_hip_hop_culture. I am providing links to those articles below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_rap_music
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_hip_hop_culture
I believe a new criticism section is the appropriate place for these articles.
Since these are entire articles, perhaps they could be added to the See Also section instead if not a separate new criticism section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiperson777 (talk • contribs) 
: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:54, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2018 

message: The sentence "Herc created the blueprint for hip hop music and culture by building upon the Jamaican tradition of impromptu toasting, a spoken type of boastful poetry and speech over music" should be removed. Kool Herc himself denies this link (in the 1984 book Hip Hop), saying, "Jamaican toasting? Naw, naw. No connection there. I couldn't play reggae in the Bronx. People wouldn't accept it. The inspiration for rap is James Brown and the album Hustler's Convention".[1] Herc also suggests he was too young while in Jamaica to get into sound system parties: "I couldn't get in. Couldn't get in. I was ten, eleven years old,"[2] and that while in Jamaica, he was listening to James Brown: "I was listening to American music in Jamaica and my favorite artist was James Brown. That's who inspired me. A lot of the records I played were by James Brown."[3]
1. "Hip Hop: The Illustrated History of Break Dancing, Rap Music, and Graffiti", by Steven Hager, 1984, St Martin's Press, p. 45.
2. "Kool Herc". DJhistory.com. Archived from the original on June 1, 2015. Retrieved January 27, 2014.
3. "Davey D's Hip-Hop Corner". Retrieved December 20, 2005. 2601:406:5000:1B45:6CE1:6B3D:FD0E:6589 (talk) 06:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Your quoted passages would suggest that Kool Herc still "created the blueprint" under the inspiration of James Brown. In my opinion, the sentence that you're proposing to remove is still factually correct. StrikerforceTalk 13:54, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2018 

message: In it's current form, the large majority of this article is unsourced theorizing, riffs, tangents, etc, that wouldn't be accepted in any other article of similar importance (and lets not minimize that; this is an important article. To allow it to exist in this condition is sad). Requesting suggestions on how to go about dealing with this mess without causing a bunch of butthurt, edit wars, etc since slash-and-burn editing is the only option I can see that would begin to bring this article up to Wikipedia policy standards. Musicology1 (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello,  - I agree. Please read my proposal below. - Dmezh (talk) 06:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article Has Existential Problems 

message: When Long Island Rapper Top Ninjacame on the rap scene it was all different. His style was like no other rapper.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ci189215 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Hip Hop