Talk:X-23

message: As far as I know, X-23's skeleton was not laced with adamantium (because her bones are presumably still growing).  I "silently" made this edit recently, and would like the "Notable powers" portion of the entry to be accurate.--Galliaz 22:30, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Made this minor change to the entry: deleted "skeleton &" from the "Adamantium laced skeleton & claws" phrase.--Galliaz 16:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Huh. I always thought she was based on the girl from Elektra and Wolverine: The Redeemer. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 02:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redeemer 

message: * We need to provide a citation to this direct quotation: does anyone know where it appeared?  
* The quote is too long and needs to be edited down.--Galliaz 15:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claws Quote 

message: Is there any hope of condensing the information on this page? Her comic biography is way too long. Kusonaga 13:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to attempt to condense the information in the Innocence Lost and Mercury Falling sections. --156.34.71.188 00:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Condense 

message: If X-23 were to appear in the MC2 continuity,would she be Rina (Wild Thing) Logan's half sister?(Rina has a half brother,Sabreclaw) - R.G. 05:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  X-23 in MC2?

message: If adamantium is truly indestructible, it would have to be chemically non-reactive, and therefore non-toxic. It also shouldn't leave "traces" of any kind. This is basic logic. Chaotic nipple 00:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You win a No-Prize!  Morwen - Talk 15:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wolverine has both true adamantium and adamantium beta in his body, both are referred to as adamantium, true adamantium could cause adamantium poisoning as a catalyst, and adamantium beta could cause adamantium poisoning as a catalyst and/or a reactant. If adamantium beta is the sole cause of adamantium poisoning, this would explain why characters without healing factor are unaffected by adamantium poisoning. -- Gordon Ecker 08:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toxic Adamantium 

message: I read on some ebay listing or something that X-23's first costume, or at least the one on the cover of UX451 was an old wolverine costume, but the only time i have previously seen that costume was on Lynx, a feral character who wolverine and nick fury met in Marvel Comics Presents 123-130. Anyone know anything more about that that can be added? WookMuff 22:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costume 

message: It says in the artice that her scars from her self harm don't seem to heal up, but so far we've seen nothing in the art that puts it down in solid. It could be that the 'X's we see on her arm following her cutting herself were simply in the process of being mended... it is more likely to be artistic license must be taken to give that aspect of her character some impact.
-Rexregum —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.186.8.11 (talk) 20:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have removed that part.Lipperman 03:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self Harm 

message: This link doesnt go to a comic character named "Geech" Could somebody add an entry for him?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.195.65.102 (talk) 20:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geech Link 

message: Was that her fighting Wolverine (in whichever movie it was, I or II)? --Johnny (Cuervo) 20:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: X-23 does not appear in any of the three X-Men movies. The woman with the metallic claws is a mutant version of Lady Deathstrike. Dragei 22:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: X-Men Movie

message: Earlier I added a small bit of information to the Inconsistencies section which was deleted as speculation. And that's true, it was somewhat speculative. However, so are various other comments such as: "(It's clear that these storytelling liberties were taken in order to establish X-23 as an addition to the New X-Men cast for new readers.)". That in itself is speculation unless it's ever been expressly stated in an interview. 
In fact, my addition was far less speculative. It was based on existing scenes from certain issues, that establish Laura's seclusive nature. In Uncanny X-Men she spent the majority of her time stalking and watching Logan from a distance. Then in Marvel Team-Up we see her sitting alone watching him sleep through some security monitors. In addition to that her seclusive nature has also been shown in the fact that prior to being made a part of the New X-Men team, she went on most adventures alone.
But I digress... while noticing this it dawned on me that the entire section has become somewhat moot. It's dedicated to inconsistencies in continuity that no longer exist due to retconning. I move for deletion of that part of the article, as it now serves virtually no purpose. No other article would focus on prior inconsistencies such as these. You may argue that the section is historically significant to the source material, but ultimately, it's not. If we were to document every single retconned continuity issue in comics... well, there wouldn't be enough space on the internet for such a thing. --156.34.67.34 19:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree.--Galliaz 20:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I added X-Men: The End, but I'm still doing work on it, so I'll continue to tweak it. And I'm also trying to track down an image of X-23 from said books. Also, my mistake on the quotations bit, I wasn't aware of that distinction. --156.34.67.34 11:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries.  I hope you don't mind that I went ahead and tweaked the X-M: The End info you added.--Galliaz 14:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistencies 

message: I'm a bit conflicted as to what should be the article's main image. There are essentially two options:
 or Image:X-23SY.JPG
On the one hand the first image is a more accurate representation of the characters core costume, whereas the second image is a highly stylized variant. But on the other hand, the second image is a better representation of her current costume as portrayed by the current New X-Men artist, Skottie Young. I'm honestly happy either way, but it has to be one or the other, as all other X-23 images aren't proper representations of her core outfit (I searched through just about all of them last night). --156.34.81.21 20:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main image 

message: Random question, but is it pronounced "Ex Two Three" or "Ex Twenty Three".  My friends and I always call her Ex Two Three, but I just watched her Evolution episode and they say Twenty Three.  Mind you, I also say "Nahmor" instead of "Naymor" and "Shier" instead of "Shee Ar", and they're both wrong.  Oh well... Paul730 03:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Ex Twenty-Three. And while this isn't really the place, I believe both Naymor, and Nahmor are acceptable, I personally use a combination of the two: "Nahymor". Almost a silent nay, but not quite. --156.34.83.102 04:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: What on earth? Why is it that both of the main X-23 images used in this article were deleted? Both the Skottie Young one, and the one we used prior to that of her in her original New X-Men costume. I had no idea either of those images was on the chopping block, but regardless, we need to get the Skottie Young one back. Chances are it was only deleted because someone didn't give the proper information required by Wikipedia when they uploaded it. --156.34.84.5 23:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Galliaz, we need a different picture than what's up currently, it's not in the least an accurate representation of the character. Not only is that not X-23's usual uniform, or even a variation thereof, but it's also an image of her as a little girl. --156.34.64.55 06:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think, given the circumstances, that this image is acceptable.  The image is the cover to the first issue of the character's most recent mini-series, and is therefore an acceptable fair use image, (avoiding the problem encountered with the Scottie Young image that was deleted).  Regarding her age, her depiction in the image makes her look like a teenage girl, which is the character's present age in the Marvel universe.--Galliaz 13:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It's standard practice to use a cover image from the character's most recent series as a main entry image. And though I disagree about how old she looks, I think it's a waste of time to argue about how young/old a character has been drawn to look on a comic book cover.--Galliaz 03:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  X-23 images... 

message: Why is the whole text of that letter in the article? Surely that's copyright violation. 77.127.0.121 (talk) 11:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyvio

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thread_title: C-Class rated for Comics Project

message: Why does the comic bio take precedence over X-Men Evolution?  Like Quinn, she started in the show and that should be her primary bio.  Emperor001 (talk) 21:12, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "primary bio" in the Harley Quinn article. The comic and animated series versions are both represented because the character was significant in both comics and multiple Batman animated series. X-23 appeared in two episodes of X-Men: Evolution. Her exploits in these two appearances can easily be summed up in the Other Media section.Odin's Beard (talk) 21:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Three episodes counting the Xaviers vision of the future.  Emperor001 (talk) 01:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comic bio

message: Citation for this fact is in her first self titled mini-series.  Innocence lost issue 1 page 16, and continues throughout that issue.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.88.194.28 (talk) 05:40, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, she was created by extracting Wolverine's DNA, replacing the damaged Y chomosome with an X chromosome, and then inserting the modified DNA into an egg.  That is the process called "cloning".  Coincidentally, cloning also produces a genetic twin of the organism that was  cloned.  Therefore, she is both a clone and a genetic twin. She's refered to as his clone in most other subsequent media featuring her, anyways.  207.216.208.68 (talk) 05:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I could see this being called partial cloning, but if some of the DNA is replaced with OTHER dna, I wouldn't call it a full clone. Ranze (talk) 10:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The procedure dictated in her origin book is that they duplicated Wolverine's X chromosome. There's no canon source to support the assertions I've seen pop up that Laura received DNA from other sources (aside from Sarah Kinney's mDNA) If you want to be really accurate, it makes her the Parthenogenesis parthenogenetic offspring of Logan's mother carried by a surrogate womb, unfortunately that would probably fall under OR since it's never actually discussed in the books.Ambaryer (talk) 14:00, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

text: The implication I got was that genetic engineering has reached the point that gametes can be reconstructed directly from a DNA sample, rather than requiring harvested eggs or sperm. The X23 children were therefore the result of very advanced artificial insemination techniques. Thus why Laura is mixed race in the film universe. -- Ambaryer (talk) 11:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Clone, Genetic Twin. 

message: X-23 will be teamed with Venom, Red Hulk, and the female Ghost Rider in the upcoming chapters of the Venom miniseries, starting in February.  Source: http://lytherus.com/2011/10/20/marvel-announces-february-event-the-venom-event/ 173.180.77.156 (talk) 11:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venom Crossover 

message: Not an issue that came up with Wolverine (though I imagine it could with one issue that was probably not addressed, related to Judaism birth rituals) but being that X-23 is female, it makes me wonder if the comics have addressed the issue of the hymen.
For people with normal healing abilities it gradually breaks down, tears, etc. But what happens if you have a healing factor that would repair all that?
The same issue could potentially apply to Shulkie. Ranze (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Far as I know this has not come up in the comics or is it likely to. Sounds like a question a character from the film Mallrats would ask. -- 109.79.98.29 (talk) 19:08, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

text: I'm not a doctor, but I decided to research this. Apparently most female new borns have hymen that already have an orifice. Here is a summary of the article's findings. This allows for the excretion of menstrual fluids and other discharge. Therefor, X-23 would most likely have been born with an already partially perforated hymen. She may or may not however feel discomfort using tampons or during sexual intercourse, but even that may not apply depending on the shape of her hymen upon birth. Portablejukebox (talk) 01:36, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

text: A sort-of-related consideration is: How would her healing factor affect her ability to get pregnant? We know that Logan has no problem siring offspring (in fact it wouldn't surprise me if it actually ENHANCES his little swimmers), but what about Laura? The female immune system sometimes attacks the sperm cells, so would it render her sterile because her heightened immune system would prevent conception? Or would it aggressively ENHANCE her fertility, both by ensuring the healthy development of her offspring and, since a normal female only produces so many egg cells in her lifetime, would her healing factor allow her to create more thus prolonging the time period in which she is fertile? Would birth control even work with her? And as Raj says, I think we're out of things to talk about. Ambaryer (talk) 11:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Females with healing factor

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Given the fact that a large part of the current "All-New Wolverine" series is for Laura Kinney trying NOT to be the mindless assassin X-23, to be just Laura Kinney / Wolverine. I therefore put forward that this page be renamed simply Laura Kinney with a mention of the fact she was originally known as "X-23" in the opening paragraph. I'm also changing the photo to be more in tune with the character, if nobody minds?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nurseline247 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename

message: Since she speaks spanish with mexican accent is she from Juarez since some of the movie Logan takes place in the outskirts of Juarez mexico  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.240.178.46 (talk) 05:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In the movies, Gabriela's video establishes that Laura and the other children were born at Transigen's Mexico City research facility. It's unclear where her comics incarnation was born, as the location of the Facility was never identified in the books (circumstantial evidence suggests it's somewhere in the US, but not enough to confirm without OR). -- Ambaryer (talk) 11:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where was she born / created 

message: ㅅㅈㅍㅈㄱㅅㅎㅈㅅㄱㅎㄴㅅㄱㄴㅅㄱ  900silver (talk) 23:40, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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message: Why was this page moved? Per the above discussion, the consensus was NOT to move the page. — Ambaryer (talk) 11:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the user who moved it didn't see/care about that. Best thing is to contact an admin and ask them to move it back.★Trekker (talk) 11:51, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did not see that discussion, however, seeing as the above discussion was two Opposes, one Support (from the proposer in question), and one Comment, it never should have been closed in the first place until there had been a sufficient majority rather than literally 2 to 1, and hence believe a new discussion on whether to retain the move should be had. MacCready (talk) 14:03, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was a pretty clear case of pointless discussion. This page should be moved back.★Trekker (talk) 14:04, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Even the "(comics)" DAB is unneeded, we do not have any article abour a real person named Laura Kinney. Cambalachero (talk) 14:15, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The (comics) DAB has also been abandonded in favour of (character) per a very extensive discussion from the Wikipedia Comic Project. Truth is that even tho I hate the name "X-23" it is nontheless what the character is best known as.★Trekker (talk) 14:22, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: . If MacCready wants to move it back, I suggest he/she discuss it first.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Again  if you want to move the page, then you need to discuss it first.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:58, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Move?