Wikipedia talk:Article Creation and Improvement Drive/Archive 2

message: I dislike the new order of the nominatiions. The chronological order we had before enabled people to easily see and distinguish new additions. Maurreen (talk) 19:28, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also like the chronological order. It's also easier to maintain the expiring dates when all the nominations of the same day are close to each other. I think sorting by votes is unnecessary work and really it's never up-to-date. --Laisak 15:21, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Order

message: Hi, based on the discussion at Wikipedia:Template locations it seems clear that the community generally prefers that templates related to internal efforts such as this one, which are "meta" information and not meaningful to readers, be placed on the talk page of the article instead of the article itself. In particular, this view prevailed with respect to the Template:COTW associated with a parallel project. --Michael Snow 20:12, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That is all very nice, but our templates are not talk-page templates, they have a special design. The templates belong on the article page of the nomination and should be removed when the nomination fails. Your wording the community generally prefers... is false. The community consists of thousands of editors who obviously were not interested enough in these bullying attempts to even voice an opinion on the page you set up.--Fenice 20:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Michael, this is not a meta template. The page you cite is a text-book example of bullying: a small group is trying to force nonsensical rules upon others in order to annoy them. Maybe you believe the community believes this and that, the problem is the community does not care what you believe. It clearly has not stated an opinion on your ideas.--Fenice 20:40, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it not a meta-template? It refers to an internal Wikipedia project, rather than providing encyclopedic information about the topic of the article. In fact, unlike some templates used in case of content disputes, the template has zero bearing on the content of the article. That's a classic example of a meta-template. --Michael Snow 20:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Well, I have explained that numerous times. Now, Smoddy, why exactly are you so keen on having a bullying rant here. That is the question that is really interesting and would get us further. Do you not have anything else to do? Why on earth would you want to go out and annoy other users for no particular benefit whatsoever. Aren't you embarrassed?--Fenice 21:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't see the numerous times.  All I can see is you accusing users who are making good-faith comments of bullying.  I am not trying to annoy you. I am merely following up on Michael's request for other people to have a look.  Incidentally, this seems to me to be an excellent place for this discussion, contrary to your comment on my talk: it prevents fragmentation.  I repeat my request, please tell me why the templates should be on the main pages.  smoddy 21:15, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, are you planning to limit your edit-warring to "good-faith" comments on talk-pages then? Hm? Were you planning that? Hm? No. You have seen Michaels advertisement for an edit-war on the village pump and went straight for it and joined in. You probably do this every night to bully some user or destroy some project that has nothing to do with your template-craze whatsoever. You are probably going to go way beyond so called good-faith comments. I have taken your message, and I will leave. We have been through this crap before. However, as I recommended to Michael: the aggression level you are showing is not normal and you should get counselling. Bullying should not be the problem of the victim. I can leave. Your problem will last if you do not get it treated. Also, please have the decency of taking over my work here, it is roughly 50 to a 100 edits a day, which Michael and you can share. --Fenice 21:26, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

text: It is quite clearly the same as the COTW template and should appear on the talk page. COTW received 29 votes that it should appear on the talk page and only 11 for appearing in the article (one of which, I note, was Fenice). Surely that shows a community-favoured position? violet/riga (t) 21:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Fenice - No personal attacks. Do not do that again. Got that? --mav 04:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Given the arguments against having meta-templates on article pages, that offer is more a concession than a compromise. In the case against meta-templates, the issue is not primarily where the template appears on a page, it's which page the template appears on. --Michael Snow 16:53, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I think that would be the worst positioning, not being noticable in many cases and forgotten too often.  violet/riga (t) 10:28, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Location of templates

message: Why don't we put the templates at the bottom of the article pages? Maurreen (talk) 06:44, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the arguments against having meta-templates on article pages, that offer is more a concession than a compromise. In the case against meta-templates, the issue is not primarily where the template appears on a page, it's which page the template appears on. --Michael Snow 16:53, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I think that would be the worst positioning, not being noticable in many cases and forgotten too often.  violet/riga (t) 10:28, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Compromise?

message: I've just spent ages making all the templates appear on the talk pages and removing those that were incorrectly done (ie. no longer listed).  violet/riga (t) 10:28, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Changed over

message: I do not seem to be able to archive this page right now. The discussion above has served its purpose and I comply with Michaels and Violetrigas attack to bully me into leaving. So whoever has a better working connection please archive this. --Fenice 22:44, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, it was just violetrigas editwarring, as she reasons on her talk page. The system was working but bully no 1 around here has been reverting my archiving for an hour or so.--Fenice 23:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving

message: I am taking an indefinite break. Live long and prosper. Maurreen (talk) 09:35, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Passing off the baton

message: Since I'm in charge again, I'd like to change the name of this project back to the Article Improvement Drive. I would keep all the nomination system changes from Maurreen and Fenice in place - I just want to change the name back. AID always seemed more accurate and succinct than This Weeks Improvement Drive, which I always called the TWID. If anyone has a reasonable objection to me doing this, please tell me. If no good reasons are raised, this becomes the New Article Improvement Drive (AID) as of Sunday. -Litefantastic 16:42, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The New Article Improvement Drive

message: I updated the expiring date on Johann Gutenberg, but didn't realize that the nomination had already expired. The original was "Nominated 26 July 2005; needs at least 9 votes by August 16 2005", but the 9th vote had came too late.
9. DiamondDave 09:07, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
It has since gained one more vote so I'll leave the decision to more capable hands if the nomination should be removed. --Laisak 17:02, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did I goof? 

message: I changed the color scheme to reflect the rollover back to the AID name, and while I'd actually like to thank whoever changed the background color to purple because the powder blue was too painful to look at, I am seriously frustrated with the person/people who just reverted back to the last template versions before I changed things. It isn't so much a blatant disregard for my work - because even though it took an hour, I respect that not everyone will like it - but the fact the some of these still said "This weeks improvement drive"! You didn't change anything! You just reverted back! Come on, that's not fair or right. -Litefantastic 23:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: About the new colors

message: I noticed he got 11 votes but didn't suceed and so I thought I would mention he is nominated at the Biography Collab. Falphin 23:13, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ali Khamenei

message: Any one intersted in taking this up or should I put it under   ?Falphin 00:08, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Philippine collaboration of the month]]

message: If one goes to the list of articles that link to the nomination template , it's quite noticable that many more pages than the current nominations are sporting this template - I can foresee this being a possible point of confusion. 
The list includes many failed noms, past winners, and some that as near as I can tell, though tagged, never made it to the project page (or were not archived), such as my hometown: Tacoma, Washington. I think it would be useful in meeting the spirit and purpose of this prohect to replace the tag on failed noms at least with a notice that comments on possible improvements to the article may be found on the Removed page. I know there's some resistence to the proliferation of templates, but it would seem in this case, we could use another. Whitejay251 17:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Would this new template look like the old one or just a line of text? I think it should be something like . I volunteer to clean up the old nominations if this template is created. --Laisak 15:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaving a template mess behind us. 

message: I spotted a few irregular votes on History of chemistry. These votes were done by an anonymous user, but signed as a different one. 
I'm assuming good hope that these were done accidentally by forgetting to logon.
* Esthurin 02:12, 12 September 2005(UTC) (edit by 131.220.68.177)
* Vb16:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonymous votes 

message: Maybe we should go back to three votes/week again. I think we'll just kill this place if we don't. -Litefantastic 23:22, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I for one agree, it's getting rather sparse around here. Whitejay251 18:24, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This place turned into a ghost town...fast :) Everyone go back to school or something? Even getting three votes a week is asking a lot now, much less four --Fxer 07:15, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I fixed it. I also fixed the stay until date to reflect that it has gotten enough votes to go six weeks after nomination. I also fixed the new nomination template as all the new noms were still spitting out 4 votes needed. I'm about to fix the nomination date on the American Motors nom. It says it was nominated on the 21st but was actually nominated on the 25th. I'm mentioning all this in the interest of transparency - I'm not mucking with the process, just correcting errors where the process went awry. Whitejay251 16:47, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Before we strangle this institution...

message: Would it be possible to create a template for the current collaboration that displays just the name of the current project, as is done with Template:Cotw1, so that pages that don't wish to call the full banner can still display the current topic without having to manually update it every week? It would be most helpful, I think. — Your server has been MC MasterChef :: Leave a tip — 09:02, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current collaboration template 

message: Participants here may be interested in the new Wikipedia:Most visited articles listing, which promotes featured status for these articles. -- Beland 03:03, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New listing 

message: Made a template for past Improvement drives here :Template:Past AID similar to the collaboration of the week one. The colours might need changing, especially the date/year which looks hard to see. Astrokey44 11:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past template