Talk:Evolution of insects

message: I see this was split out from insect.  Well it really needs to cite its sources now.  --Cyde Weys 16:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree but I'll first have to figure out which they are. Jimp 11:32, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources! 

message: Like many articles dealing with scientific topics, this one needs to be rerwritten for the non-expert.  There's so much jargon and specialized terminology used with no explanation offered at all that unless you're already versed on the topic, it's unreadable.  I'd rewrite it myself, but I'm not sure I know what the article is trying to say. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.163.44.173 (talk • contribs) .
:I fully agree with the comment above.  I found several sections of this article nearly incomprehensible. It would be lovely if someone who did understand it could rewrite it. OneVeryBadMan 19:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think most of the jargon is good to have around. It just needs better clarification.Reights (talk) 23:21, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarity

message: According to a couple of articles, wings evolved from gills eons ago:
"My research shows that modern stoneflies may have retained intermediate forms of flight that date back to an evolutionary transition from gills to wings, and therefore perhaps they have retained other traits related to a transition in gas exchange physiology. This line of thinking led me to suggest to Thorsten Burmester, an expert on arthropod gas exchange proteins, that he should check to see if stoneflies have hemocyanin in their blood. This was a pretty far out idea, since blood-based gas exchange is what other arthropods use (including aquatic ones) but was previously thought to be completely absent in insects, which deliver air directly to their tissues via tracheae. Burmester found that stoneflies do indeed have hemocyanin in their blood (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 101: 871-874) that reversibly binds oxygen, and it appears that no other pterygote insects possess this trait. In summary, the developmental evidence that you have presented for a gills-to-wings transition is supported by both a set of mechanically intermediate forms of winged locomotion in stoneflies and molecular evidence that a simultaneous transition occurred in gas exchange physiology."
My own comment would be that while the fronterior gills gradually evolved into wings, the other gill pairs could still hold on to more conventional functions.
"In insects, we have an interesting origin explanation for wings: they're modified gills. It makes sense. For gills, you want to have an increased surface area for gas exchange, and you want them exposed to the external environment. Most animals evolved sophisticated gills with convoluted surfaces and tucked them away in a protective chamber, with a mechanism to pump water over them, but others took a simpler path. Mayflies, for instance, have flat vanes on each segment in the larval stage as respiratory surfaces—they even look like wings. Arthropods evolved a recipe for flat, cuticular structures to serve as gills, and perhaps one explanation for the evolution of wings is that they simply re-evoked that recipe as adults, used it for gliding, and then expanded and elaborated on the formula incrementally to generate flapping, powered flight. 
What it implies in the evolution of the arthropods is that the wings of pterygote insects are derived from epipod gills, or alternatively, have coopted a molecular pathway that first arose in epipods. While most of the terrestrial arthropods have been simplifying their limbs, the winged insects retained one element that gave them the power of flight." 
 84.210.23.42 (talk) 05:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wings from gills

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Phylogeny of insects's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "number":
From Grylloblattidae: 
From Insect:  In: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Phylogeny of insects]] 

message: I have been finding a lot of dead links attached to the UK spelling Palaeoentomology; if I change them to the US spelling Paleoentomology, that is live-linked, but it links to 'Phylogeny of Insects'
I don't think anyone can argue that paleoentomology is a subset of Phylogeny of Insects, and I can't think why it has been combined. I don't necessarily have the wiki-ability to split it out but it needs to be done. If not its own section, it could be within Paleontology article, but it is misplaced and lost here
Coleopterist (talk) 01:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paleoentomology shouldn't be within Phylogeny of Insects 

message: Hi, There is a thread here you may be interested in, about a consistent naming for articles dealing with evolution of taxa. Thanks! --Cyclopiatalk 17:08, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on title of taxon evolution pages 

message: I added a paragraph for the only complete insect known from the Late Devonian. I think it deserves its own article but to do it justice we need someone with access to full Nature articles and preferably permission to post an image. Is there a palaeontologist in the house?
Meanwhile I'll look for the flagged "weasel-worded phrase from 2009" and try to edit it out. Monado (talk) 22:37, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Strudiella devonica'' 

message: The caption for the fossil picture says "Fossil of a grasshopper (or other Orthopteran). " It looks more like a cricket than a grasshopper to me, although I'm no expert.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derwos (talk • contribs) 03:38, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  fossil 

message: There is a small mistake in the phylogenetic tree. The Coleoptera and Hymenoptera must be swapped. The insect phylogenetic tree is changed in 2006.  The phylogenetic tree shown now is indeed the phylogenetic tree as shown in the paper of Evans from 2003, but when looking at the papers written by Ishiwata et al from 2003, I again conclude that Coleoptera and Hymenoptera should change places.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.173.250.30 (talk) 13:49, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phylogenetic tree changed 

message: Article dates this as Devonian (citation required), but a recent analysis  places this earlier in the Ordovician (~479 million years ago). Cmungall (talk) 00:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of origin 

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Just granpa (talk) 18:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phylogenetic tree 

message: This is NOT a phylogenetic tree.
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Just granpa (talk) 13:47, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Official" cladogram 

message: This article has very little on the primal origins of insects and far too much info on the geological history of the earth (and this critique is coming from a geologist!). 
I did remove a lot of geo-info on the Devonian (people who want to know those details can find it in the article on the Devonian period), and added a reference to the excellent article of Graham Budd on the origins of anthropods in Nature, but it might be fair to admit in the introduction we know almost nothing about the rise of the insects...
Also far too much specialized terms, is it really necessary to use words like coriaceous when leathery would be clear to rest of us who are not entomologists? Codiv (talk) 16:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rather disappointing from the view of someone who wants to read where insects came from... 

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