Talk:Humour/Spelling

message: How come color page is in US English, while this one is in Commonwealth English? I don't mind since it's Canada, but shouldn't Wikipedia be a bit more standardized? -- WB 20:39, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's lots of this sort of thing, and I don't see that it matters too much. Even if it were successful, any attempt to standardise the whole Wikipedia to the UK spelling style (or whichever) would anger such a lot of people that it would damage the community — and hence the encyclopedia — much more than the little we would gain from uniformity in return. If anyone really cared that much, a little bit of software could easily translate spellings on the fly and get 99% of it right. — Matt Crypto 21:53, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Something like Matt Crypto's solution could easily be built into the Wikipedia, with user preferences saved on the server. matturn 05:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

text: BAD indeed, but worry not! Wikipedia works like this. Whenever an existing article is redirected from the British spelling to the American spelling, official Wikipedia policy is immediately invoked, and the redirect is reverted. But whenever an existing article is redirected from the American spelling to the British spelling, the redirect is allowed to stand. This is presumably because Americans are fat and stupid, have no culture (and certainly have no sense of humor, aside the ones who do, who therefore can't really be Americans), etc., etc. Don't worry, the sun will never set on the British Empire! Cheerio, WikiFair1 09:09, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You could not be more utterley and completely wrong. Articles are changed to American spelling all the time. It is a constant battle to stop pernicious tide of spellings being changed by people who think that a non-AmE spelling is a spelling mistake and/or that Wikipedia only accepts American spellings, or that is should only accept American spellings. I leave it up to you to decide whether ignorance of the world outside the USA has anything to do with this. See and m:Guerilla UK spelling campaign m:Gorilla US spelling campaign. Jooler 09:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no evidence you are correct. I do see from your user page, however, that you have a rather agressively pro-British view on language. I leave it up to you to decide whether that reflects a benighted view of language evolution. In all seriousness: Americans, like citizens of all geographically and politically "large" nations,  certainly tend to live in a bubble. Still, from what I've seen, article titles have far more often been changed from American to Commonwealth spellings, without reversion, than the reverse.WikiFair1 10:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again humour has to be explained. Jooler 10:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, humor has to be explained. (Proper usage of the comma, on the hand, can simply be demonstrated.) WikiFair1 10:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is it demonstrated? lol FearÉIREANN\(caint) 22:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Nother one. 

message: Pardon the mess... I followed the instructions (about "complicated" moves), at least I thought so..., but it didn't work as I expected it would. Could someone remove "(funny)" from the name, so that the title conforms to policy (first non-stub spelling is the one that is used). Thanks. --KellyMin 21:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To Matt Crypto: Please assume good faith. Kelly Min likely meant "incorrect" in the sense of not conforming to policy. The article on humor started as Humor. It was incorrect for someone to change the spelling to humour. (i.e., to "UK-ize" Wikipedia.) S/he was simply trying to correct that violation of policy. I've changed the spelling back to the changes she made.. Please don't revert without explaining why an exception to policy should be made in this case. --Cultural Freedom talk 21:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A requested moves was made to return it to the American spelling, it failed. Theres your exception. --Kiand 21:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: As Aponar Kestrel said above, "the fact that someone had moved it over from humor would have been a good argument back in 2002. There's really not any point in it four years later, though." — Matt Crypto 22:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. Wikipedia policy on language usage has evolved and at this stage it is a non-starter to move a page back to where it was four years ago in implementation of a policy that did not exist four years ago. It has been voted on, and the decision taken, clearly. It would make no sense to move a page from the form of spelling used worldwide to the form used in the US, simply to keep a minority of English speakers worldwide happy, by putting it back to where it was four years ago, when the original move predated the adoption of the rules and has been ratified in a vote. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 22:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name should be Humor

message: what if the title of the article was "Humour/Humor" or "Humor or Humour"
and both sperate spellings entered into the wiki search would lead one to that article?
comprimise?
the english language has multiple spellings for many words and there will never be a correct or rightious choice between the two. so could we adapt to this reality?
please someone give their thoughts on this idea.
--67.167.2.64 16:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if people like you, just lived with it, the same way Non-USians have to live with Color and thousands of other pages. Jooler 16:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could we not make it both Humor and Humour? 

message: Humor is more internationally recognized, not only in the US, Canada, and foreign learners to English, but also in other languages.  Look:
 
:ar:دعابة Don't know how to transliterate
:bn:হাস্যরস Again, don't know how to transliterate
:bs:Humor No u.
:cv:Кулăш Roughly 'Kulǎsh'
:cs:Humor No u.
:da:Humor No u.
:de:Humor No u.
:el:Χιούμορ Roughy 'Chioýmor' or 'Khioímor' depending on how you transliterate
:es:Humor No u.
:eo:Humuro Looks like you win this one, mind you it's a Conlang
:fr:Humour The source of Commonwealth u.
:gl:Humor No u.
:hy:Հումոր Don't know how to transliterate.
:hr:Humor No u.
:it:Umorismo 'Humorism' no u.
:he:הומור Don't know how to transliterate
:ka:იუმორი Don't know how to transliterate
:hu:Humor No u.
:nl:Humor No u.
:ja:ユーモア No u.
:no:Humor No u.
:pl:Humor No u.
:pt:Humor No u.
:ro:Umor No u.
:ru:Юмор 'Yumor' no u.
:ru:Чувство юмора 'Chuvstvo Yumora' no u.
:sq:Humori No u.
:simple:Humour Probably this article dumbified.
:sr:Хумор 'Khumor' no u.
:fi:Huumori No u.
:sv:Humor No u.
:tt:Yumor No u.
:tr:Mizah Different word.
:zh:幽默 Don't know how to transliterate
::—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameron Nedland (talk • contribs) 
Some famous Frenchman (can't remember who, but I think it was Alexandre Dumas) is supposed to have remarked upon picking up a book written in English that "English is just French, but pronounced extremly badly." Like many words in English (e.g  centre, metre, theatre etc) the word comes into the English language via French and you seemed to have left out fr:Humour Jooler 23:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My argument for humor 

message: The original name of this entry was humor,  Wikipedia policy favors original entry names and American standard English, and consensus on the talk pages indicates that humor is the preferred spelling.  --Jcbutler 21:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a side suggestion. If this gets as bad as the Airplane Wars, maybe we should start thinking of a compromise name? 205.157.110.11 04:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ROFL, Fixed-wing aircraft? That's just precious. But that's nothing compared to Talk:Gasoline/archive2 (which also continues onto the next archive). Patstuarttalk|edits 06:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that instnance- the page started out at aeroplane first, was merged into aircraft and then demerged out to fixed wing aircraft. 08:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I decided not to amend my original statement because that was the proposal and now it's out there, for better or worse. But you are certainly correct, and what I was trying (perhaps poorly) to argue is that this is standard usage on Wikipedia, e.g. behavior not behaviour, etc. Everyone will just have to humor me (or not) and make a decision based on the merits of the case, not my particular language. Thanks, Jcbutler 06:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would still advise you to amend the statement, because it's wrong. It's not too late, I guarantee to you of that, as long as you're only changing the wording. Patstuarttalk|edits 06:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, just flank the objectionable part with   to strike it out. -- SigPig |SEND - OVER 08:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Frankly by saying things like "The British are cool and so is their spelling." - you're not really winning anybody onboard are you. But your Google argument doesn't stand up anyway - according to Google more people think "the world is flat" - 1,370,000  hits, than not ("the world is not flat" - 89,800; "the world is round"  232,000, "the world is spherical" 671) - Google counts pages by links - do 'humor site:co.uk' - the 7th link down is http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6252595.stm - check the page - the word "humor" does not appear on the page at all. The page appears under "humor" - because someone else linked to it and used the word "humor"  as can be seen from the cache . Google is sytemically biased. It doesn't see the deep web (that's 99% of the Internet) - and in fact the Internet itself is biased towards the US usage. According to the stats on  30% of users of the Internet in 2002 were from North America. That's 5% of the population of the planet accounting for 30% of its use. Global usage is about 10% of the population of the World. India has a population of 1.1 billion and of them around 50 million use the Internet . That's less than 5% of the population of India and about 8% of the users of the Internet worldwide. Of course Google turns up "humor" more often, but it's irrelevant. Oh as for your argument about consistency - what about armour, honour,  neighbourhood and labour. You might want to look at the project Wikipedia:WikiProject Organized Labour Jooler 17:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to rename this entry to humor (withdrawn) 

message: Suggestion: Jcbutler, you might consider amending your reasoning. "Wikipedia policy favors American standard English" is false. "Wikipedia policy favors original entry names" is correct, but that will be disregarded unless you can convince people it's also a good policy. --Yath 04:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided not to amend my original statement because that was the proposal and now it's out there, for better or worse. But you are certainly correct, and what I was trying (perhaps poorly) to argue is that this is standard usage on Wikipedia, e.g. behavior not behaviour, etc. Everyone will just have to humor me (or not) and make a decision based on the merits of the case, not my particular language. Thanks, Jcbutler 06:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would still advise you to amend the statement, because it's wrong. It's not too late, I guarantee to you of that, as long as you're only changing the wording. Patstuarttalk|edits 06:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, just flank the objectionable part with   to strike it out. -- SigPig |SEND - OVER 08:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Frankly by saying things like "The British are cool and so is their spelling." - you're not really winning anybody onboard are you. But your Google argument doesn't stand up anyway - according to Google more people think "the world is flat" - 1,370,000  hits, than not ("the world is not flat" - 89,800; "the world is round"  232,000, "the world is spherical" 671) - Google counts pages by links - do 'humor site:co.uk' - the 7th link down is http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6252595.stm - check the page - the word "humor" does not appear on the page at all. The page appears under "humor" - because someone else linked to it and used the word "humor"  as can be seen from the cache . Google is sytemically biased. It doesn't see the deep web (that's 99% of the Internet) - and in fact the Internet itself is biased towards the US usage. According to the stats on  30% of users of the Internet in 2002 were from North America. That's 5% of the population of the planet accounting for 30% of its use. Global usage is about 10% of the population of the World. India has a population of 1.1 billion and of them around 50 million use the Internet . That's less than 5% of the population of India and about 8% of the users of the Internet worldwide. Of course Google turns up "humor" more often, but it's irrelevant. Oh as for your argument about consistency - what about armour, honour,  neighbourhood and labour. You might want to look at the project Wikipedia:WikiProject Organized Labour Jooler 17:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: This argument will never ever ever be settled. People will always oppose any attempt to use American Spelling because of the fear that American culture will force out the culture of the native country through the media and this is just people naturally being patriotic to which ever country they're from with some exceptions. Personally a tiny part of my soul dies when I see American spelling and has led me to correcting books and what not in class. Maybe the easiest way to sort this would be to look at that page which lists examples of which international organisations use which spelling. I think British English outweighed American by 2:1 or something like that, but I can't be too sure.
Whichever user tried to justify killing the 'u' by using foreign languages badly needs a new argument. Should we spell cockroach cucaracha or guitar guitarra because they are closer to the original language? Of course not, so that argument falls flat on it's face. I had another point but at 3:40am I can't remember it. Big Moira 03:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh, Good Jesus 

message: :"humour is now usual in Great Britain, humor in U.S. The English formations, humoured, humourless, humoursome, are here spelt like the n. and vb.; but the derivatives formed on a Latin type, as humoral, humorist, humorous, are spelt humor- as in L. hum{omac}r{omac}sus, etc." Her Pegship  (tis herself) 19:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The OED 

message: Humor or Humor or Humour or Humour.  All works.  Not broken.  Don't fix. 89.204.137.148 (talk) 04:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing is broken