Talk:Parliamentary train

message: Would 91.106.6.150 and A1octopus please care to explain why they have deleted virtually all the good work that has been done (by at least three others) on this page over the past year, specifically to list known examples of parliamentary train in the 21st century.213.86.33.33 16:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am the same person as 91.106.6.150, I had simply forgotten to sign in for some edits.  The reason why most of those examples were deleted was because including every last example of a parliamentary train in UK is something for a specialist rail site, not wikipedia (per policy WP:UNENC (section 4) and the unofficial guidelines on fancruft and listcruft).  All we need for a nice an accurate article on this subject are a handful of the most obvious or notable examples.  Of course a specialist can site certainly be added as a reference or external link. A1octopus 13:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List removal 

message: I'm not convinced the Gainsborough service counts - might it be explained by alternative flows or differeing traffic patterns on Saturdays?  I know the ticket numbers are a bit erratic due to Lea Road getting most of the group allocation.  81.110.104.91 (talk) 11:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual parlies 

message: Can someone add the Ealing Broadway to south London ghost service in 2009? - it was a weekly coach replacement, and the Evening Standard took the subject up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.115.158 (talk) 00:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ealing Broadway

message: Please clarify in article why Walsall to Wolverhampton is listed as an example. http://traintimes.org.uk/walsall/wolverhampton/09:15/today/changes=0 shows one direct train an hour. John a s (talk) 08:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Note how it takes an hour: this train travels via Birmingham New Street, which is like going from London to Paris via Moscow. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:25, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, I see the 19:36 takes 14 minutes! John a s (talk) 22:51, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's the one direct service. Otherwise just for freight services. I've updated the article with a note. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:37, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walsall to Wolverhampton 

message: I'd suggest that the section "Parliamentary train#Examples of extant "parliamentary" trains" either be drastically trimmed to leave 2 or 3 entries, or retitled "List of extant parliamentary trains", with a comment that it is non-exhaustive (or maybe it is exhaustive - it's maassive). Pol098 (talk) 13:30, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "permanent replacement bus" examples can also be seen between York and Pickering, National Rail lists several regular services from York to Pikering (by bus), they're displayed on the train departure boards and are referenced Pickering_railway_station  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.117.18 (talk) 00:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples of extant "parliamentary" trains 

message: Is that really such a good example for a parliamentary service? True, it runs only once a day Monday to Friday in one direction only, but it's definitely not the remnant of a more frequent service. It also isn't needed to keep a bit of line open - if actually necessary, Kensal Rise to Willesden Junction Low Level was and still is covered by NLL trains running at the start and finish of service, and before this service was introduced, the direct connection between GOBLIN and NLL, bypassing the platforms at Gospel Oak, didn't have any passenger service for a very long time.
In fact this is more or less simply a peak time extra. For some reason or other (possibly capacity reasons), it doesn't terminate at Gospel Oak to return to Barking, so for connectivity to the NLL it had to run one station further to Hampstead Heath. Because you can't sensibly reverse a train there either - not without holding up the rest of the NLL - it then continued to the bay platform at Willesden Junction Low Level. At first, it ran empty from Hampstead Heath, but eventually the whole route was included in the passenger timetable, because terminating at Hampstead Heath still took too much time.
JanTH (talk) 10:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woodgrange Park - Willesden? 

message: Should the text acknowledge cases where the "parliamentary" substitute bus has been absorbed into regular bus service (but still receives some railway subsidy, and there is still some evidence in National Rail timetables on national rail website)?  Example is Peterborough - Wisbech - Dereham (which used to be shown on national rail map and is in national rail planner).  This is now a First express bus with onwards service to Norwich.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.50.120 (talk) 10:57, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Bus Substitution, pure and simple. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:53, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bustitution--needs enhancement? 

message: Newhaven Marine has now started formal closure process, which will mean the parly service will also go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7d:b378:ac00:59d2:c96:6941:40ec (talk) 00:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Therefore it will move into the 'Former' table when it closes. IamMattDavies (talk) 19:32, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newhaven Marine-add as significant example to closed parley service table 

message: Is the summer Sunday Dalesrail service classed as a parliamentary train as it is the only regular passenger train that uses the line between Clitheroe and Hellifield
: I wouldn't have said so.  If the definition talks of services "... run to avoid the cost of formal closure of a route ...", this doesn't apply here.  Clitheroe station and its services were closed many years ago.  When it reopened the services were only in the Blackburn direction, so I don't think that there is a route to be protected from closure in this way. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:21, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  4 Sunday services use this route each week (albeit irregularly - check NRE). This in turn means that, apart from semi-regular excursions, there aren't many trains that use this route, and in theory, could be worthy of inclusion beneath Bordesley as example of having a low service, but without an intent on reducing the service. IamMattDavies (talk) 18:18, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have added this section and updated the title of the section respectively. If anyone disagrees, then please delete it as you wish. If anyone can find Northern or NR saying they don't intend to close the line, then brilliant. IamMattDavies (talk) 18:36, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The significant thing about Clitheroe-Hellifield is that it has already been through formal closure, this occurred several decades ago. The line's current status is that of a freight-only line which is kept available for diversions, such as when there is engineering work between Preston and Lancaster. The "Dalesrail" service is of the nature of a special/excursion working - if it is intended to be withdrawn, all that the TOC need do is stop selling tickets and reimburse passengers who already hold advance bookings. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:59, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:   Clitheroe - Hellifield service 

message: Should this service be on the list there is only two services in each direction on the line and no other passenger services use the line. Its the only service that calls at Ince and Elton (talk • contribs) 23:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 07:51, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helsby to Ellesmere Port