Talk:Black and white cookie

message: Some people may believe that a Half Moon Cookie and  Black and White Cookie are the same thing, they're not. They look similar, but Half Moon's have more of an angel food base and are topped with a buttercream frosting, Black and White's are a cakey shortbread with a poured fondant icing.
As a manufacturer, I've often experienced many people ordering Black & White's and expecting Half Moon's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.95.246.12 (talk) 17:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: "Black and Whites have a drier, cookie-like base and fondant frosting."
While it is true that B&Ws have a two-toned fondant frosting, the part about the drier, cookie-like base is incorrect.  The base of a B&W is clearly a cake--it is soft and moist, and slightly springy (though not nearly to the extent of a sponge cake or angel food cake.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.125.4.195 (talk) 21:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: inaccuracy in main article

message: In light of this^ fact, perhaps we should remove the half moon comment and make half moon its own page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.202.103.133 (talk) 18:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  perhaps 

message: Is a stand up comedian a valid source?
The race relations conjecture could be coupled into the Seinfeld section of the article, but, having reviewed the scene in the episode, it seems that a joke about race relations does having any direct bearing on the desert itself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.93.17 (talk) 17:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture 

message: Yes it is and the so called Amerikaner are also available in black (chocolate) and white (fondant icing) (or at least they have been for a long time) and it's highly disputed they got their names because of "Ammoniak" and it's claimed they have been a pastry well before WW2! I'm trying to get some facts on this! --Ragoro (talk) 20:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A German cousin? 

message: I'm a 50+ year old, "Noo Yawka", whose never heard of "Kyon Cookies". As such, I think it bears some kind of reference, footnote, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skaizun (talk • contribs) 03:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kyon Cookie 

message: I'd always thought they were called Othellos until I found this article, like the game pieces. Apparently an Othello is another kind of pastry entirely.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.177.19 (talk) 10:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Othello

message: Always find it humorous when someone takes a wiki article about an American subject and tries to bring in some irrelevant connection to usually an obscure British (or in this case Australian) subject that no one has ever heard of: " It is similar to a neenish tart, although neenish tarts are filled with a cream center, whereas a black-and-white cookie is not." How is a cookie like a tart? It's black and white, not pink and blue, or whatever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.92.159 (talk) 01:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP:WORLDWIDE, such content is allowed, but it needs to be well written and backed up with WP:RS. Buffaboy talk 01:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Really?

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: If half moon cookies are a different thing than black-and-white cookies, should they be split into their own article? Or should the two be kept together because so many people confuse them? -Apocheir (talk) 03:01, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Articles on Wikipedia must cite reliable sources, not your experience. If you can find a published source that supports your assertions, feel free to add them. -Apocheir (talk) 18:03, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting Half Moon 

message: It doesnt make sense to have an entire section on how a cookie is used as a racial metaphor/ metaphor in general. Looking over the rest of the wiki articles on food, this doesnt follow the typical flow of the articles. It does not seem relevant to the food item itself or its history. It is too opinionated to be impartial and factual. 2600:8800:200B:1900:8430:C98E:851:6238 (talk) 17:40, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Only one talk header was needed to state your point. The paragraph does not seem to be opinionated, i.e. "This cookie is a great/terrible metaphor for racial unity," but is rather about opinions about the metaphor. Seinfeld itself is not the source that is used; the statement appears to be from a book chapter that is about the cookie, so this statement is probably WP:DUE. I'm not sure about the other content regarding Barack Obama and Shais Rishon; a third opinion will be needed about the merit of these two statements. The former is about something Obama brought up at a campaign during the 2008 United states presedential election, while the latter is about Rishon's opinion on the metaphor. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:01, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of the content of this section was previously in a "In Popular Culture" section, which I renamed because all the content there had to do with its use as a racial metaphor, and because like other pop culture sections it kept attracting uncited trivia that had to be removed. For anyone who's concerned, it's worth looking at the page history. -Apocheir (talk) 22:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

text: You don't need a new header every time you comment. Anyways, I don't think "popular culture" is an appropriate description for Obama and Rishon's comments. That said, I'd like other opinions here, maybe from  or others. -Apocheir (talk) 02:36, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, that's probably why the section title was changed to "As a racial metaphor" by the user who removed the cruft from a previous version of the section. Will "Racial metaphor" alone work as well? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that "In popular culture" is overly broad for the section, in which we only talk about use of the cookie as a racial metaphor. We might as well have a section title that reflects that. While we're on the topic, I rather like "As a racial metaphor" rather than "Racial metaphor" for a section title. It makes it clear that the cookies themselves are sometimes used as a racial metaphor. Does anyone else have a preference either way? Srey Srostalk 03:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. My original edit had the "As a", but it was removed at some point during the back and forth. MOS:HEAD doesn't say much, although there might be other guidance that's relevant. I'm going to put it back for now, although I don't have a strong opinion either way. -Apocheir (talk) 19:13, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial metaphor section. 

message: If it is to be changed, there should be a consensus here about it. If there isn't a consensus, the current headings and heading levels should be maintained and editors who make arbitrary changes to their own personal preferences may and should be reverted.  See MOS:NOTES, WP:CITEVAR, and this arbitration ruling. Skyerise (talk) 05:04, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  End matter organization 

message: Its all popular culture. So why not change it to popular culture so we can have more information than just three different quotes? Ive looked at the edit history and every time someone would put anything remotely interesting it would get erased. 
Turning it into just 'As A Racial Metaphor' makes it a useless part of the article that is constantly sliced down to include only these three things. 
Dont understand how this is the free encyclopedia if every time its edited to include more information, this info gets consistently cut out and reverted back to just three quotes. 2600:8800:2004:8100:48BB:73BD:784:F435 (talk) 14:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You changing the title of a section is hardly adding "more information". You are very welcome to add another example of the subject appearing in popular culture. Right now the section is representative of what it contains, not what it 'should' contain. ~ lovkal (talk) 21:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obligatory talk page post 

message: I and at least two other IP users,  and , disagree on the size of the lead image. What is the optimal size:
* 220 px, the status quo, and equal to the default size for thumbnails (preview); 
* 210px (preview); or
* 250px (preview)?
Note that Template:Infobox food does not accept an upright parameter, so we must specify the size of this image. The default size is equal to the full width of the :File:BandW.jpg, which is 500px (preview). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:12, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd go with the thumbnail default, 220px. 210 is a bit small on desktop, 250 is too large on mobile. Apocheir (talk) 01:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I got reverted again... Should I attempt an RfC or correspondence with the IP (via talk page notification)? I have not determined the number of possibly distinct users involved. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I left  a note, since it has more edits and more recent edits. Apocheir (talk) 19:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size of lead image