Template talk:Campaignbox Campaigns of Muhammad

message: http://military.hawarey.org/military_english.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misconceptions2 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sirya and Ghazah of the Prophet Muhammad 

message: Why is this template being added to almost every single page on Islam ?
This template belongs only in articles that strictly discuss battles/expeditions ordered by Muhammad, main articles on Muhammad or his military career. I'm reverting all unnecessary spam Al-Andalusi (talk) 19:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template location 

message: This isn't about the template, but this may be the most convenient place to talk. There are too many trivial pages about minor campaigns. They would be far better as a smaller number of longer pages that actually said something William M. Connolley (talk) 14:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem is that a soon as more data is added the page becomes large and no longer trivial. I have done the bare minimum on these pages to keep them as their own articles. in the future i plan on expanding them so merging them to 1 page wont work out. i tried it in the Caravan raids article. it became to large and i had to separate the articles --Misconceptions2 (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many trivial pages 

message: A probable edit war  is noticed involving Misconceptions2 and Al-Andalusi on Burning of Mosque in a question of WP:OR. Please talk, before doing further edit on the matter. » nafSadh did say 16:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sooo... re Demolition of Masjid al-Dirar: what exactly is the precise criterion for being a "campaign of Muhammad"? If we have an answer to that, we can settle the question. If we don't have an answer, then we can't William M. Connolley (talk) 17:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the cited sources refers to the event (two men burning a mosque with a lighted palm branch) as a campaign (whether it is a battle or a sariyyah). For now, this is an OR by Misconceptions2 and I've removed it from the template until suitable references are provided. Al-Andalusi (talk) 17:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think that is particularly plausible, but is that indeed the criterion you are proposing? That we need a preponderance of sources that describe each event as part of a "campaign"? Your assertion that including it is OR doesn't really work. What you mean is, you don't like it. If you were so fussy about OR, you'd be very active elsewhere William M. Connolley (talk) 21:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, I think you really should have acquainted yourself more with the Seerah literature, particularly on the meaning and difference between a ghazwah (battle) or sariyyah (expedition) and how the terms have come to be used by classical and modern biographers of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, instead of sharing with us your wisdom on how I should be spending my time. I asked for one reference that names this event as a ghazwah or sariyyah of Muhammad, you and Misconceptions2 have not provided any so far. I have removed the tag (again) and I will continue to do so until a reference is provided. Al-Andalusi (talk) 01:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

text: [Incivility redacted - WMC] Al-Andalusi (talk) 00:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Well, he didn't, so I've done it for him. Back to the topic at hand: exactly who gets to declare a given thingy part of the campaigns template? What criteria are there? So far I've seen no reply William M. Connolley (talk) 20:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I think the first thing to do is establish some clear criteria for what this template is about. Is the source a book? (if so, which one?). Is there a traditional list? Or what. Or are pages added to this template at the whim of a given editor. Al-A seems to think he has a "golden rule" for removing things, but quite what his rule is, is not clear to me. At the moment there appear to be several "trivial" incidents in the list William M. Connolley (talk) 09:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Demolition of Masjid al-Dirar|Burning of Mosque]] 

message: and others, what is the purpose of this box if List of expeditions of Muhammad already exists, and already serves the purpose of this box?
17:57, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the purpose is ease of navigation, similarly to campaign boxes such as Napoleonic Wars navigational boxes. Eperoton (talk) 03:14, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the purpose of this box?