Talk:Ireland/Archive 3

message: I've moved the old talk page to an archive in anticipation of using the talk page during collaboration week. If I shouldn't have done that, commence yelling at me now. —Rory ☺ 17:10, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
:I think its time for another archive, if any one has and oblections, such as some of the issues on this page are still on going then say so, I'll do it on Monday or Tuesday. Fabhcún 16:22, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived talk 

message: * A recent list of topics has appeared after the Literature and the arts section (most likely with good intentions) - I think this should be removed or moved to other relevant articles (i.e. those in the form Main article: XXX of Ireland linked under the headings) - the List of Ireland-related topics is a more appropriate place for these links - otherwise it is a matter of time before the article and list begin to compete and everything irish gets bunged into the bottom of the article - i rememeber before the list of ireland-related topics was created (i created it) and every article that had the name "ireland" in it had a haphazard list of duplicated items - the ireland articles should not return to this and should just be paragraphs, pictures and links and no lists of topics Djegan 19:31, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: list of topics

message: That satellite picture is beautiful, and perfect for this article. The new map with physicial features and text is not very attractive. I'm not saying it should be deleted, but the first picture at the top of Ireland should be the satellite photo. Evertype 15:59, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)
:It's difficult fitting it all in! I hope the current arrangement is satisfactory though! zoney ♣ talk 17:31, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think it's all OK for now. The current labelled map is actually a replacement for the full scale labelled map that was originally inserted. zoney ♣ talk 22:49, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: On my browser, the satellite map overlaps the Table of Contents.  I think maybe some of these long section headings need to be shortened. --JW1805 20:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that the image and the Table of Contents have been resized, the image is totally stretched - is there any way of keeping the TOC in its smaller form and changing the image back to the way it was? Would this solve the problem for lower resolution screens? Cormaggio 16:56, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I've just tried removing the 200px tag from the image and it's still stretched in the preview - does this make any sense? Cormaggio 17:03, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Making it 201px seems to fix the problem.  Very odd, some sort of Wiki bug, I think.  --JW1805 18:03, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic! Well done! Cormaggio 18:24, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Put back the beautiful satellite photo!

message: Great Britain is the full correct name of the island. In this context Britain sounds unencyclopediac. In case anyone is not aware the "Great" part is there for complicated historical reasons and is not a claim that it is a "great" or nice place to live. 213.202.166.65 23:07, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Britain v. Britain

message: I removed the paragraph "as Gaeilge", as this is the English Wikipedia, so anything beyond a phrase or word or two of another language is too much. There is actually an Irish-language Wikipedia. If someone wants to merge what they can from the text below into ga:Éire they can.
:Ainmníter Éire uaireanta "Oileán an Smaragaid". Ta Inis Fóla (no Éireann) suite siar o Mór- roinn na hEorpa, agus in aice leis an Breatain Mór. Is "Inis Fóla", (Éireann as gaeilge, Airlann as Scots na hUladh) an tríu oileán is mór sa hEorpa. Ta sé ar an taobh thiar den farraige gaelach cóngarach leis an Bhreatain Mor. Ta se comhdeanta as Poblacht na hÉirinn sa deisceart is 'an Tuaisceart', ceantar den Ríoga Aontaithe. Is daonra na hOileáin 5.6 milliúin daoine. Sháraigh Daonra na Poblachta 4 milliúin le déanai don cead uair o 1871, mar gheall ar inimirce agus ráta nís airde bhreithe.
zoney ♣ talk 14:50, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish 

message: May I suggest that the majority of the history section be moved to History of Ireland? The version on this page should only be an outline, with the in-depth information at the main article. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 01:45, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That is supposed to *be* a summary. It's not very "efficient" though, and *perhaps* too long (bear in mind the amount it has to at least mention). But I agree it needs a complete rework - it is too in-depth in places, but also uneven (some periods perhaps need couple more sentences). zoney ♣ talk 19:23, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I removed "Most live on or near the east coast." with comment "most Irish people do not live near the east coast. cf List of Irish counties by population".  User:Lapsed Pacifist re-added with comment "1 milllion in Dublin, 1 million in Antrim and Down."  Depending on whether you include Meath, Kildare and Armagh, somewhere between 2.5 and 3 million out of 5.7 million live in counties "near the East coast".  The upper figure could be interpreted as "most" but I think it's a misleading word to use in the introduction; a reader might reasonably assume that say 4–5 million lived along an eastern coastal strip.  A sentence which is both vague and potentially misleading is I think better off deleted.   It is also inappropriate to say "the six counties" when the proceeding sentence says "Northern Ireland" - readers have no way of knowing you're talking about the same area. Joestynes 01:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You've got Dublin, Antrim, Louth, Down, Wexford, Wicklow, Kildare, Meath and Armagh in that addup, right? Because that makes 'most' by my reckoning... --Kiand 01:13, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, with those counties, 3m/5.7m is a bare majority.  If that's what you understand by "most" then fair enough;  I would interpret "most" as meaning a comfortable majority and I suspect many other wikipedians would do likewise.  In short, the word "most" is too ambiguous.  Rather than a single sentence in the intro, a few sentences in the Geography section could be more expansive about the population distribution. Joestynes 02:03, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: I moved all the tables into templates: Template:IrishFlags, Template:IrishPeople, Template:IrishParliaments, Template:Irish police, Template:IrishSport, Template:IrishNobel, Template:IrishArts.  That should make them easier to move around the page to try and fix the formatting problems.--JW1805 19:04, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just about to do the same. I had already created the Irish police template and installed it on the pages about the police forces, so I deleted the same one you created under a slightly different name and inserted the other one. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 20:08, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are too many tables some are nice but some others are irrelivant and nonsensical, having pictures of John Hume and David Trimble in the culture section makes no sense (although they made important contibutions) and it is confusing  to people who are unfamilar with Ireland. Also, the page looks terrible in a 1280 by 1024 pixel screen with the window fully maximsed try it and see. "Some Nobel Laureates" and "Irish Police forces" need to go and "Arts in Ireland" needs a better home.--Fabhcún 12:11, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
Trimble and Hume aren't in the cultural section. They are in a box on Irish nobel winners. Irish police forces is directly relevant, as it covers north and south, unionist and nationalist, British and Irish identities. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 20:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables 

message: If this article is going to include a picture of Eamon deValera it should also include a picture of Michael Collins in the notable people section(Irish Notables)--Fenian Swine 01:19, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Collins 

message: God know, based on past experience, I may be in for a rough ride, but .... I removed the reference to the Celtic origins of the Irish people in the demographics section because, bluntly, we do not descend from the Celts. Anyone who is curious or wonders about my reasoning for doing so is welcome to drop me a line. Cheers! Fergananim 20:47, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics revision

message: I think its a bit bizarre that this article has long sections on modern Irish history, whereas the History of Ireland article only has short summaries. If no one objects I'm going to swap these sections between the two articles.
Jdorney 11:35, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: History - too long

message: Can anyone help clear this up for me? Since we now have the administrative countys of South Tipperary, North Tipperary, Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, Fingal, South Dublin as
a number of citys being treated as distinct units in themselves, how many actual countys do we now have?Fergananim 17:48, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on how you count - their are still 26 "historic counties" of the Republic, as for "administrative counties" we have 26-2+5=29, see counties of Ireland. And of course all cities, except Kilkenny, have a administrative status similar to that of counties - five cities. Djegan 17:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 30 countys?

message: I was working on correcting some asthetic problems at the top of the article and have been unable to correct one of them.  Image:LocationIslandIreland is crowding the text to it's left:
:Ireland (Irish: Éire) is the third-largest island in Europe. It lies in the Atlantic Ocean and it is composed of the Republic of Ireland, which covers five sixths of the island (south, east, west and north-west), and Northern Ireland; part of the United Kingdom, which covers the northeastern sixth of the island. 
and the only way I could get it to stop was to swithch the image to the left. maybe someone with more know-how could come up with a fix. It seems that images are generally on the right and I don't think that model should have to be deviated from here. 
Also, I did shorten 5.1's title it seemed redundant and it was the culprit of the satalite image and TOC crowding that others talked about. ( I would suggest that it actually be shortened to just "Irish Independence")
Enneagon 17:02, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text and Image crowding 

message: Is Ireland a first, second, or third world country?
:see Third World you'll figure it out
First. the Republic of Ireland is 8th on the Human Development Index and is therefore according to Third World a 1st wort country, The reference to Ireland in the history section of Third World does not apply ony more as the Cold War is over. And even though Ireland did  offically stay neutral it was allied with the US far more than the USSR - Fabhcún 07:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What country level is Ireland? 

message: I noticed this statement in the Budweiser (Anheuser-Busch) page "In Ireland, Budweiser is the largest off-premise beer". Is this really correct? My initial thoughts are that it is wrong, but I'm not sure enough to change it myself... Nil Einne 11:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bud