Talk:Brighouse

message: ===Brighouse internet forum===
I have removed the link to the brighouse internet forum which i added a few months ago because it has been offline for quite some time RichardLangford 21:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed! I have changed the wording slightly.  However, whilst looking for some references to 'Snake Hill Ford' I noted the duplicated wording of the History and Buildings sections of the article to the wording in the Brighouse Go Local website.  However that website currently has a '©2007 Brighouse Go Local' note at the bottom, so either the wording in the Wiki article is a  of that website or that website has copied the wording from the Wiki Article and is now claiming copyright on it. Richard Harvey 00:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

text: That isn't really required, as the lead paragraph is to introduce Brighouse, not it Parliamentary representative, He should have his own article. However you could start a subsection of the towns political history, in the History section, as per the one on the Huddersfield article IE:- Huddersfield#Political_history. Richard Harvey (talk) 09:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Agreed! I removed the sentence about the Calder Valley MP. Adamisher (talk) 21:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

text: With no comments or objections received I have removed this paragraph. Rye James (talk)
===Roads section===
In the "Roads" section there is a comment that, "... the A643 is an alternative, but tortuous and poorly-signposted, route through to Leeds."  This ostensibly subjective comment appears to be based soley on the writer's opinion and no supporting verifiable facts are supplied. Rye James (talk) 14:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

text: With no comments or objections received I have amended this sentence. Rye James (talk) 11:09, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Firstly,I understand that this subject was discussed some time ago, and that the present situation is the result of consensus. Secondly, the argument that living locally automatically confers the skill to represent pronunciation of a word to the rest of the UK, let alone the world, is problematic. An example of this is that people in south-east England think they are saying "bus", but people in the north of England hear them say "bas".  Conversely, people in the north of England think they are saying "bus", but southerners hear "boos". This is because it is natural for us all to think that we pronounce words as conventionally written, that we have no accent (or are not conscious of it), and that it is people in other localities who have accents. There is no perfect solution, but the convention is to represent pronunciation as heard by a speaker of Received English, since it is Received English which is understood worldwide. This is how I undestand the matter. --Storye book (talk) 09:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If this subject was discussed some time ago and a consensus reached, do you know when/where that discussion took place, who took part, and where the conclusions were recorded? Looking back though the history of this page there doesn't seem to be any mention of it.Of the three current cited references as to pronunciation, only the last (http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/brighouse) gives the pronunciation as 'B R IH G - ow s'; the Forvo reference gives a phonetic spelling of ˈbrɪɡhaʊs and the Internet Archive reference gives either Brighus or Briggus.  Other reference that can be cited on correct pronunciation  (Dictionary.com, Collins English Dictionary, Malcolm Bull's Calderdale Companion) all show a non-silent 'h'.There may be (and in this case there does seem to be) disagreement amongst locals (and non-locals) on how a place name should be pronounced. I believe that use of the International Phonetic Alphabet is the Wikipedia convention for conveying the pronunciation of English words rather than '... as heard by a speaker of Received English'.  According to the Wikipedia guidelines; if this article is to use any other method of representing the pronunciation of Brighouse then it should follow the conventions of Wikipedia's pronunciation respelling key. Rye James (talk) 11:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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message: I have removed the link to the brighouse internet forum which i added a few months ago because it has been offline for quite some time RichardLangford 21:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Brighouse internet forum

message: Don't Embrace hail from Brighouse? Could someone change the Brighouse and Rastrick Brass Band section into a music section or something and add them? I would but I know nothing about them :P    thegreatloofa(talk) 10:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed music section

message: There ae many buildings in need of renovation?  Well that might be, but please name them.  Referenced are required here, and not just names but suiable buildings for renovation and why.  As a local property develoloper I'd love to know!  I doubt that anyone who currently lives in brighouse would make this statement. User:82.20.12.146 03:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Buildings

message: In the history section, the paragraph begins 'In prehistoric times..'. Really?
Prehistoric means before recorded history, and in no way refers to this part of the world in Roman times or even a couple of thousand years before. Can this be changed to something more suitable? Mrshifter 23:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed! I have changed the wording slightly.  However, whilst looking for some references to 'Snake Hill Ford' I noted the duplicated wording of the History and Buildings sections of the article to the wording in the Brighouse Go Local website.  However that website currently has a '©2007 Brighouse Go Local' note at the bottom, so either the wording in the Wiki article is a  of that website or that website has copied the wording from the Wiki Article and is now claiming copyright on it. Richard Harvey 00:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History section

message: I updated the summary to include the new MP for Calder Valley. Should the MP be stated in the introduction at all? There is a reference to the parliamentary constituency in the summary box on the right already. adamisher Adamisher (talk) 09:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That isn't really required, as the lead paragraph is to introduce Brighouse, not it Parliamentary representative, He should have his own article. However you could start a subsection of the towns political history, in the History section, as per the one on the Huddersfield article IE:- Huddersfield#Political_history. Richard Harvey (talk) 09:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Agreed! I removed the sentence about the Calder Valley MP. Adamisher (talk) 21:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Parliamentary representative

message: In the "Roads" section there is a comment that, "... the A643 is an alternative, but tortuous and poorly-signposted, route through to Leeds."  This ostensibly subjective comment appears to be based soley on the writer's opinion and no supporting verifiable facts are supplied. Rye James (talk) 14:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: With no comments or objections received I have amended this sentence. Rye James (talk) 11:09, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Roads section

message: Recent alterations on the Brighouse article regarding the correct pronunciation of the town's name have been undone with the request that changes be taken to the talk page first.  I was born in Brighouse 46 years ago and lived there until the age of 18.  My father still lives in Brighouse and has done continuously for over 50 years.  We both believe that the correct pronunciation of Brighouse is with an audible 'h' although I accept some references are ambiguous or indicate a silent 'h'.
I have raised this with Richard Harvey (one of those to undo my edit) and provided more references which can be seen on his talk page.
If the correct pronunciation of Brighouse is contentious then should this be made clear in the article (outside of the opening paragraph)? Rye James (talk) 07:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly,I understand that this subject was discussed some time ago, and that the present situation is the result of consensus. Secondly, the argument that living locally automatically confers the skill to represent pronunciation of a word to the rest of the UK, let alone the world, is problematic. An example of this is that people in south-east England think they are saying "bus", but people in the north of England hear them say "bas".  Conversely, people in the north of England think they are saying "bus", but southerners hear "boos". This is because it is natural for us all to think that we pronounce words as conventionally written, that we have no accent (or are not conscious of it), and that it is people in other localities who have accents. There is no perfect solution, but the convention is to represent pronunciation as heard by a speaker of Received English, since it is Received English which is understood worldwide. This is how I undestand the matter. --Storye book (talk) 09:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If this subject was discussed some time ago and a consensus reached, do you know when/where that discussion took place, who took part, and where the conclusions were recorded? Looking back though the history of this page there doesn't seem to be any mention of it.Of the three current cited references as to pronunciation, only the last (http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/brighouse) gives the pronunciation as 'B R IH G - ow s'; the Forvo reference gives a phonetic spelling of ˈbrɪɡhaʊs and the Internet Archive reference gives either Brighus or Briggus.  Other reference that can be cited on correct pronunciation  (Dictionary.com, Collins English Dictionary, Malcolm Bull's Calderdale Companion) all show a non-silent 'h'.There may be (and in this case there does seem to be) disagreement amongst locals (and non-locals) on how a place name should be pronounced. I believe that use of the International Phonetic Alphabet is the Wikipedia convention for conveying the pronunciation of English words rather than '... as heard by a speaker of Received English'.  According to the Wikipedia guidelines; if this article is to use any other method of representing the pronunciation of Brighouse then it should follow the conventions of Wikipedia's pronunciation respelling key. Rye James (talk) 11:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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