Talk:In the End

message: shouldn't this page tell about how many remixes the song has had? I know of at least three. --Nerd42 04:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: remixes?

message: The article mentions uncertainty about the whale:
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A strange-looking whale can be seen flying around the large statue during most of the video, specifically at the end of the video. The whale in the video was Joe Hahn's idea. He has been quoted as saying "It's not like I pulled it out of my ass; it made sense to me." The reasoning behind its inclusion is still unknown. Many fans of the Legend of Zelda video games have noted similarities between the whale in the video and the 'Wind Fish' character from The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening. However, there is no evidence to support the design of Linkin Park's whale was a tribute to the game, and appears to be coincidental.
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Did you consider the possibility that this whale should picture the sperm whale in the first novel of Douglas Adams' "The Hitchhiker's Guide To Galaxy"? In the novel this whale suddenly appears in the sky, forming a few thoughts, making up words and dies when reaching the ground. (shortness and uselessness of life at all)
If you agree, could this section be changed?
If you don't completely agree or would like to leave the interpretation uncertain, could at least a line about this possibility be added?
Katja Müller (217.234.177.5 (talk) 20:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flying Whale - Douglas Adams? 

message: (NOTE: The Genre had been changed when this note was added, and may change as this discussion progresses)
Ok, When i saw the genre, I flipped. Rap Metal/Modern Rock? Are you bloody kidding me? Modern Rock isn't even a real genre, it's a radio format. Then the "if this is removed without discussion" thing, that really PO'd me dude. This song is a Nu Metal/Rap Rock power ballad, that is very frickin' obvious. If this ain't answered within 72 hours, I WILL change the genre myself, because I am both an experienced editor, and a huge music fan, so I know what I'm doing. Altenhofen 21:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No offence, but obviously you don't. Yes, it may be wrong, but you still need to cite reliable sources to back up your claims, otherwise it can technically just be removed by anyone. Being an "experienced editor, and a huge music fan", I thought you would know this. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 05:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is Rap Metal/ Modern Rock cited? For most songs, including this one, you don't really need to source the genre because it is frickin' obvious. Come on, we might as well list Somewhere I Belong, Faint, and Crawling as Rap Metal/Modern Rock. No. Because that is not the proper genre. Plus, no, "technically anyone" cannot remove it, because it does say "If this is removed without discussion on the talk page, it will be considered vandalism." Altenhofen 21:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and then you revert them, and then we have an edit war on our hands. Hate to say it, but an invis tag doesn't give you any power man, I've done it myself in the past, the idiots ignore them. Just find some sources, if it is so obvious then it shouldn't be a problem. The conflicting opinions (as obsurd as they are) require us to cite sources, because well, it is apparently controversial and debatable. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 06:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, but you are implying that as long as it isn't sourced, it's ok for it to be wrong. That is bull, 'cause Wikipedia is an enyclopedia. meant to be correct; now it seems to me that you think everything needs sourcing, and if it isn't sourced, it is allowed to be incorrect. And this song is like most any song of Hybrid theory or Meteora, so why is it listed as a Radio Format? And not as it's obvious proper genre, Nu Metal? Thats like listing Another brick in the wall as Classic Rock/Progressive Rock. It's incorrect. Altenhofen 01:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Find some reliable sources or people will keep changing it. End of story. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 03:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was implying something. Anyways, if we need sources for this song, do we need them for Points of Authority, Faint, Numb, Leave Out all the rest, Crawling, Papercut, Lying from You, or any other song of of Hybrid theory, or Meteora that is obviously Nu Metal/Rap Rock (or Rap Metal, or Rapcore)? Altenhofen 23:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This genre should be changed to what I'd like to call "nu-alternative", a genre which combines nu metal with alternative rock. Please avoid editing wars by thinking what's possible for articles. StanMarsh19 (talk) 01:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh My God.... 

message: Don't you agree that this could be classed as rap-rock due to Mike Shinoda rapping over guitar chords which is what mainly makes up rap-rock. I will wait for opionions from others before attempting to change the page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Holyjoely (talk • contribs) 21:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This could also be classed as rap-rock 

message: Please make sure if you claim something, there needs to be a source. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. Because if it doesn't have a source, it may just be an opinion. Please don't just say stuff unless it's got a source.
And about the Zelda reference. Fans opinions don't count, lol because fans haven't made their mark in the world for their opinions to "count". Critics are "fans" that have the right to say opinions, and WE should only state what critics should say. Furthermore, you need a source. And not a fan blog. It doesn't matter if fans think the whale looks like it's from Zelda. I'm both a fan of LP and Zelda, I don't think they resemble eachother.. But hey, guess what? My opinion doesn't matter, does it? You need sources. Please.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.198.103.159 (talk) 17:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  lol the Zelda reference? Please somebody erase that. 

message: This song also appears in the video game Counter Strike Xtreme.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.31.252.140 (talk) 21:24, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curiosities 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: When was In the End officially released? During the Santana High shooting, which occurred in March 2001, the shooter quoted the song. The RIAA says it's October 24, the same date as the album, while other sources claim autumn of the next year.2605:6000:1526:450B:2865:3055:4BC3:17AD (talk) 21:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that "In the End" peaked on March 29, 2002 after 22 weeks (i.e., assuming it never left the chart, it entered in late October), and that at the time is was mandatory to be an official single in order to chart I'd leave it as it is. Considering that itHybrid Theory had already sold 2M copies by the end of 2001, it wouldn't be considered an unknown song by the general public when the the Santana High shooting happened. Also, the source I just added (Billboard, Oct 6, 2001) says "the current single 'In the End'". Unless we get an specific date, it can be left as either "2001" or "Late 2001" to be specific. (CC) Tbhotch™ 21:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to get some solidarity on this. The source for August 23, 2001 is confusing as it doesn't say anything about the release date of the single. It only says it entered the charts on December 2 of the same year as they use DD/MM. Though, this can't be the case if the supposed commercial release for the single was August 23. Though, the Offical Charts in the UK has "In The End" first charting on October 20th 2001 https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/9854/linkin-park/ (Click the plus button next to In The End). This is completely different to when it first charted in Australia. This would also prove that In The End first charted in the US in late October to be correct. Would this not suggest that the single was indeed released in October 2001 instead of 2000?--Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 00:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official release date 

message: I've found several sources that back a October 9th 2001 release date for the single. They back each one up. If anyone wants to check for themselves before I update the article in the infobox, then pleae feel free.      --Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 13:34, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 9, 2001 

message: Let's try and settle this issue. I have started an RFC here. There's a disagreement going on whether "pop" should be listed in the infobox. So instead of participating in that, I have decided to open up an RFC here. Here are the options:
*Support the removal of pop
*Oppose the removal of pop
Choose between one of the two options with your rationale in the poll below. MoonJet (talk) 20:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you feel that way, I have altered the RFC headline post. I am not trying to cause trouble here. If there's any editors that disagrees with how article content is presented, they have every right to challenge it. That's what I did. Since you challenged me back, that's why I opened this RFC. Also, keep in mind that just because something is cited to a reputable source, it doesn't guarantee its inclusion. There's other factors to consider. MoonJet (talk) 02:45, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: RFC

message: *Support the removal of pop: Per all my arguments above. "Pop" is applied to just about everything will the slightest bit of melody. It doesn't mean it needs to be included in the infobox. Also, as mentioned, any pop elements the song has are already implied by nu metal, rap rock and alternative rock. We generally don't list pop in infoboxes if subgenres or related genres are already listed. Not to mention, "pop" is often used as an acronym for "popular music," rather than as a genre. MoonJet (talk) 20:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you feel that way, I have altered the RFC headline post. I am not trying to cause trouble here. If there's any editors that disagrees with how article content is presented, they have every right to challenge it. That's what I did. Since you challenged me back, that's why I opened this RFC. Also, keep in mind that just because something is cited to a reputable source, it doesn't guarantee its inclusion. There's other factors to consider. MoonJet (talk) 02:45, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll