Talk:Redemptoris Mater (seminary)

message: The section "Seminaries around the world" lacks sources and seems not to be of particular encyclopedic interest. -- Rpgon2 (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Seminaries Redemptoris Mater around the World

message: A few notes to clarify why it is not fully correct to describe them only as "international, diocesan, missionary" seminaries.
Redemptoris Mater Seminaries (RMS) are actually Neocatechumenal Way Seminaries, because they only accept priestly vocations coming from Neocatechumenal Way (NCW).
RMS were started by Francisco (Kiko) Argüello and Carmen Hernández for NCW priestly vocations. Why they needed "special" (RMS) seminaries? If you want to help "normal" seminaries, then you do not need to create new seminaries.
The only reason to create RMS is that Kiko and Carmen think that diocesan and missionary seminaries are not good for NCW priestly vocations. If they were good, then all NCW vocations would have entered normal seminaries and religious communities.
Since they were started by Kiko and Carmen, then RMS follow NCW guidelines. If this was not the case, then NCW priestly vocations have no reason to prefer a RMS instead of a normal seminary.
Thus, priests coming from RMS are more "Neocatechumenal-oriented" than NCW priests coming from normal seminaries. This means that RMS priests will most likefully support NCW communities.
Official statements describe RMS as "international, missionary, diocesan" seminaries: while this does not formally contradict the above notes, what attitude will have NCW priests coming from RMS towards anything that does not follow NCW guidelines?
Finally, RMS priests have often been cause of divisions and sect-like behaviour, as stated -for example- by Japan Bishop Conference and Australian people (already cited in footnotes).
=== Summary ===
# RMS are neocatechumenal seminaries
# RMS began because Kiko and Carmen do not trust diocesan seminaries <bias answer be sure to join first to know the truth>>
# RMS follow NCW guidelines instead of diocesan <another bias>
# RMS priests are not willing to waste their time on non-Neocatechunnal affairs <another bias>
# RMS priests cause the same problems that NCW causes worldwide. <ur are probably an anti-cristh>
Thus, I am updating the correct description. -- Rpgon2 (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The formation in Redemptoris Mater is not based on "the teachings of the Neocatechumenal Way." They attend classes together with other diocesan seminarians, as stated earlier in the article. On top of that, Fr. Zoffoli send his critique to about 30 bishops and cardinals, including the prefect of CDF, Vicar General of Rome, and the president of the Italian Episcopal Conference. The only response he got was urging him to stop spreading his personal judgments. This information is repeatedly removed from the article by an anonymous wikipedian from Sydney, in order to give impression that an opinion of a priest 25 years ago is worth more than opinion of over a hundred of bishops opening 'Redemptoris Mater' in their dioceses, or approval of the contemptuously called "teachings of the way" by five Congregations of the Roman Curia. Pahario (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Other accusation that are not supported by any references or statistics, doing injustice to hundreds of priests. Pahario (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: RMS: Neocatechumenal Seminaries

message: # RMS are neocatechumenal seminaries
# RMS began because Kiko and Carmen do not trust diocesan seminaries <bias answer be sure to join first to know the truth>>
# RMS follow NCW guidelines instead of diocesan <another bias>
# RMS priests are not willing to waste their time on non-Neocatechunnal affairs <another bias>
# RMS priests cause the same problems that NCW causes worldwide. <ur are probably an anti-cristh>
Thus, I am updating the correct description. -- Rpgon2 (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The formation in Redemptoris Mater is not based on "the teachings of the Neocatechumenal Way." They attend classes together with other diocesan seminarians, as stated earlier in the article. On top of that, Fr. Zoffoli send his critique to about 30 bishops and cardinals, including the prefect of CDF, Vicar General of Rome, and the president of the Italian Episcopal Conference. The only response he got was urging him to stop spreading his personal judgments. This information is repeatedly removed from the article by an anonymous wikipedian from Sydney, in order to give impression that an opinion of a priest 25 years ago is worth more than opinion of over a hundred of bishops opening 'Redemptoris Mater' in their dioceses, or approval of the contemptuously called "teachings of the way" by five Congregations of the Roman Curia. Pahario (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Other accusation that are not supported by any references or statistics, doing injustice to hundreds of priests. Pahario (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary 

message: I removed a portion of this section because of the following reasons. 
# Information did not have a reliable citation.
# The existing citation was a personal opinion from 25 years ago. 
# All priests from seminaries are ordained by the diocesan bishop up to the pope himself. It is logically inconsistent to believe that the church, in 120 diocese, is ordaining priests that are heretical. That belief is at odds with the action of the catholic church in the last 50 years. 
Ncwfl (talk) 07:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wanted to make a note that I made a mistake in editing the page from mobile. That is why there are duplicate entries for my changes. Ncwfl (talk) 06:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Characteristics