Talk:Anthony Hungerford (Roundhead)

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message: *Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.45, pp.59-60: "Certificate of Arms to Col. Anthony Hungerford of Marson in Wiltshire and his pedigree. He arrived with his Regiment in D]ublin, April 30, 1647."
*Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.45, p.62  Certificate of Arms and cadency to Ensign St. John Hungerford, third brother of and ensign to Col. Anthony Hungerford, May 12, 1647.
-- PBS (talk) 06:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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message: Copy of the article as of 12 April 2010
Colonel Anthony Hungerford (died 9 June 1657) - Officer of the Parliamentary Army in the English Civil War
;==Biography==
Short Biography of Colonel Hungerford's Life
1646/7 Authority to raise a Reg. of foot for service in Ireland.C.S.P. Dom. Chas. l, l March 1646/7
1646/7 Reminded of the importance of task in raising Regiment and urged to complete it speedily and effectively 1647.C.S.P. Dom. Chas. l, 18 March 1646/7 
1647 30 April arrives in IrelandDictionary Nat. Biog.
1647 August - Badly Injured - Battle of Dungan's Hill in County Meath, Ireland under the command of Colonel Michael Jones, '...Colonel Hungerford shot in the mouth...'Egmont MSS. 1  1573 - 1661 Page 445
 
1649 'Col. Hungerford to have leave of his Regiment, to go to Bath to recover his health, excused until the end of July, have £100 as part of his arrears'.Council of State 9th. May.
1653 'Prisoner in Upper Bench, and being wounded, and a bullet still in his head, cannot endure the restraint Begs £258.3s 10d from his account for discovering papists'.Committee for Advance of Money-Cases 2nd. March 1653.
1654 28 March 'Petition to the Protector for support in his urgent want, has long been ill and lame from wounds in fight and unable to walk has a wife and two children and only 8s. a week out of Ely House.'State Papers 1654 Vol LXVl11 
1655 17 April, a pension of 20s. a week granted.State Paper Dom. 1655 Vol. XCVI
1657 Col. Hungerford died 9 JuneDictionary Nat. Biog. Quoting Thurloe, State Papers VI p. 594.
1657 June 9.To Anthony Hungerford, being for his pension of 20 s. per week, for 36 weeks, due from 30 Sept. to the 9th June instant, being the day of his death "State Papers, 1657: November (1 of 5)", A collection of the State Papers of John Thurloe, volume 6: January 1657 - March 1658 (1742), pp. 585-600
;==Family==
Anthony Hungerford married Chrysogon, the daughter of George French of Pershore, Worcestershire, by his wife, Cicely, the daughter of Edward Grey of Buildwas Abbey, Shropshire. (This Edward Grey was the illegitimate son of Edward Grey Lord Powys, d.1551)
Antony Hungerford's children were baptised at Pershore Holy Cross, Worcestershire
* 24 October 1639: Katherine Hungerford, daughter of Anthony Hungerford
* 23 February 1642: Chrysogon Hungerford, daughter of Anthony Hungerford
In addition, Antony Hungerford had a son, George. This son was mentioned in the will of the Colonel's mother-in-law, Cicely French (née Grey)
1647 Arms confirmed by William Roberts LLB, Ulster Herald 1643-1655, to Col. Anthony Hungerford who arrived with his Regiment in Dublin 30 April 1647 - Sa. two bars in chief three plates a crescent Sa. with another Or for difference.Sir Bernard Burke's The General Armory
The descent given to Roberts was as follows:-
*Sir John Hungerford Kt. of Down Ampney Co. Wilts. Gloster.
*Henry Hungerford of Marston Co. Wilts 2nd son 
*Henry Hungerford of Marston Co. Wilts.
*Colonel Anthony Hungerford son and heir.
1658 'Chrysogon, widow of Col. Anthony Hungerford petitions Cromwell for relief'.State Papers 24th Aug. 1658 Vol. CLXXXll
1658 'That Chrysogon, widow of Col. Anthony Hungerford be referred to the Committee of Ely House and Savoy Hospital'.
;==Notes==
;==References==
*Burke, Bernard (1884) The general armory of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales; comprising a registry of armorial bearings from the earliest to the present time, London: Harrison & sons p. 519
*Hardy, William John. Dictionary of National Biography. Volume 28, p.254
The above was based predominantly on primary sources, but there is information which may be useful for integration into the rewritten article based on a copy of the DNB with some additions from the ODNB. 
It is not clear to me what "Egmont MSS. 1 1573 - 1661 Page 445" means and a fuller description of the source would help.
I found a copy of the collapsed text at www.multiwords.de/genealogy/grey05.htm which attributed this article page. -- PBS (talk) 21:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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message: I agree that genealogical websites are commonly not WP:RS.  However, often it will be possible for an editor to make his own assessment of reliability.  If a baptimsal date is given precisely and with the parish (particularly if it is not the obvious one), it is likely that the compiler is in fact citing the best original source, namely the parish register recording it.  I appreciate that this is technically WP:OR, but it certainly meets WP:V.  Dates of birth are frequently irrecoverable, and it is commonly necessary to use baptismal dates as a surrogate.  With the prevalence of infant mortality, baptism was usually undertaken when a baby was only a few days old, so that the use of a baptismal date is not a bad approximation.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
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