Talk:S. E. Hinton

message: Material from Little-known facts about S. E. Hinton novels
The Outsiders
* Ponyboy's full name is Ponyboy Michael Curtis
* Sodapop's full name is Sodapop Patrick Curtis
* Darry's full name is Darrel Shayne Curtis, Jr.
* The reason Darry has such a 'boring' name compared to his two brothers is because he is named after his father.
* Two-Bit's real name is Keith Matthews
* Sandy, Sodapop's girlfriend, who is only briefly mentioned in the book, leaves Soda to go live in Florida with her Grandmother.
* Cherry's real name is Sherri Valance
* Cherry and Marcia and some nurses are the only girls present in the entire book, others are mentioned but not seen.
* Marcia is prononunced like Marsha
all the above text contributed from IP 205.188.117.12, 14:31, 16 May 2004. Andrewa 05:34, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little-known facts about S. E. Hinton's novel ''The Outsiders'' 

message: uhh... maybe she's just living her own life, minding her own business, doing what she enjoys, living like a normal person?
From her website:  "My hobby is horse-back riding; I've shown both jumping and dressage.
I read constantly, and occasionally take a class at the university not for credit - it's more fun when you don't have to take the tests!
A writer's life is not very exciting - usually you're alone in a room with your tools - paper, pen, imagination. (I usually write long-hand first, then put it on a computer.)
I walk the dog, ride my horse, wander the grocery store wondering what to cook for dinner.
So much for my glamourous life. 
I have a great husband, a wonderful son; I won't invade their privacy by saying any more." Lonewuf 18:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She wrote a really, really bad vampire novel recently. I'll try to find publication info for the article. Don't worry, I'll leave my opinion of the novel (absolutely atrocious) out of the article. thx1138 06:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did a quick google and found a review. [] Hawkes Harbor its called.--Xiahou 23:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That is pretty cool 69.46.51.8 (talk) 19:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is S.E. Hinton doing today? 

message: I am concerned that a great deal of this may be OR ... and some of it seems to be or to have been fiction.  I axed a few things that were dubious, but there is a good bit of it.  The article is vandalized so heavily I am very very doubtful.  This author states that she is a very private person, so I am especially dubious of personal details here.sinneed (talk)
: Found a 2005 NYT interview.  Cited for some of the conflicting information.  It doesn't help with DoB...she refuses to say.  Still could be anywhere from 48 to 50.sinneed (talk) 05:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref improve 

message: What is the objection to her full name in the 1st para?  It seems to be in keeping with biographical articles in WP.- Sinneed 06:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full name? 

message: A great deal of change was made to the article tonight.  My initial reaction is to roll it all back, then see if there is any of the that should be kept.  Hopefully the editor will join the discussion, fix some of the errors (restore tags, stick to wp:RS, etc.)- Sinneed 09:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR, weak sources, removal of tags, no edit summaries 

message: Maybe I'm being a little too critical about this, but why is there mention of J.K. Rowling using initials to pen her books in the opening paragraph of the article? The article is about Hinton, not Rowling, and unless someone can cite a source saying that Rowling was inspired by this author to use her initials to increase her credibility, then I strongly believe it should be removed. It seems a little irrelevant and is likely already stated elsewhere on Wikipedia; I do not see a valid reason why this trivial information needs to be placed on an unrelated author's page.199.126.194.204 (talk) 07:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  J.K. Rowling? 

message: Evidently the FAQ at sehinton.com has been unavailable. These notes (essentially by previous editors) may be useful if that recurs.
* current url[when?] http://sehinton.com/misc/faq.php --unavailable on live site currently
(which may refer to a more recent version of FAQ)
* 
--P64 (talk) 00:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: FAQ

message: : all bibliographic sources, so far
Here are three of the Library of Congress Catalog Records. 
* http://lccn.loc.gov/97815882 The puppy sister (122pp)
* http://lccn.loc.gov/93032307 Big David, Little David (unpaged)
* http://lccn.loc.gov/2007407083 Rumble fish screenplay (68pp, Hinton adapted by Marcus Romer)
At a glance I did not find her own screenplay(s) in this catalog.
The German national library DNB holds 44 publication records for Susan E. Hinton ... six German-language titles ... translations of her first four YA novels, as there are editions of The Outsiders under two titles (Die Outsiders, Am Rande von Oklahoma) and Rumble Fish under two (Rumble fish, Kampffische).
WorldCat includes in her record at least one item by an Australian sociologist named Susan Eloise Hinton.
* "Maintaining the status quo: the discursive construction of gender inequality in work organisations" (1999), Working paper 99/43, Monash University Faculty of Business and Economics
--P64 (talk) 00:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: S.E. Hinton was not influenced by "two rival gangs". The Greasers and the Soc's (pronounced soash) are classifications for social groups at the time the terms were used. Greasers were usually from the poorer areas of town, blue-collar working class. Soc's were upper middle class or wealthy families, much like the term Preppie which was used in the 80's and 90's. Greasers usually drove souped up older cars or motorcycles, males greased their hair back so it looked like the tail on a duck, or Duck's Ass or also a DA, hence the name Greaser's. Think of Fonzie in the TV show Happy days. Richie Cunningham would have been a Soc because his father owned a business and they lived in a fairly nice home.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldgreenfrog (talk • contribs) 09:05, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gang reference 

message: I 
love the outsiders  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.135.8.251 (talk) 15:47, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for the sentiment. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  s.e.hinton 

message: 71.70.193.79 (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No edit requested. CIreland (talk) 22:30, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2016 

message: She was born on july 22 lol get rekt nerd
 Licloc123 (talk) 12:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 12:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2018 

message: In the 'Career' section, it is stated that over 14 million copies of 'The Outsiders' have been sold since 1967. Citing a different source, it is then claimed that the novel 'still sells more than 500,000 a year.'
While each of the two citations are valid - that is, the numbers referenced in the Wikipedia page reflect the numbers given by the two sources - the math doesn't add up. If the book has been averaging over 500,000 copies sold each year, it would have sold in excess of 27.5 million copies - and that is a conservative estimate, as it likely sold many more copies in the first few years after its publication. 
I did a little digging; it seems that many independent sources estimate that the total number of copies sold is indeed around 14 million. However, only one source is ever cited when referencing the 500,000 copies sold per year - Viking Books, which is a subdivision of Penguin Random House, and the publisher of 'The Outsiders.' My guess is that this annual sales figure is artificially inflated. I would suggest changing the page to only reflect the total number of books sold, and omit the claim of 500,000 books sold each year. 
Not that any of this really matters, I just found the contradictory numbers to be interesting. And evidently I have too much time on my hands...
WikiPeterPan (talk) 07:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Wikipedia's policy when sources differ is as follows: "If reliable sources disagree, then maintain a neutral point of view and present what the various sources say, giving each side its due weight ... Our job as editors is simply to summarize what reliable sources say." (WP:V). I've adjusted the wording to be more clear. Additionally, it's entirely possible that the book sold poorly before the 2000s, and picked up recently. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request