Talk:Milk caps (game)

message: Funrise is currently down, does anyone have a mirror for the latest listings? there were tournaments in Ontario, CA but those results have not been officially posted yet. --DamagedReactor (talk) 04:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Listings 

message: The current photo is quite illustrative, but it's not especially attractive, so I doubt it'll make the cut as a featured picture.  If I might be so bold, I hope I can suggest how to take an improved photo, which might
* Go to your local stationer or art supply shop.  They'll sell large pieces of thick paper (or thin card), at around 3 ft by 2 ft.  See if they have one in a light gray shade (not white), and maybe a light blue or light yellow.  Buy one (or a couple, if they're cheap)
* At home, find a place on the floor next to a wall. Put the paper in the corner so that half (or so) goes up the wall and half goes along the floor.  This gives you a nice light, even background against which to photograph things, without distracting junk or patterns in the background.  And the lightness helps to fill in shadows, making your subject look better
* I'd arrange five to ten of the most varied pogs on the paper.  There's no need to show the whole collection, and that green holder thing really isn't attractive ;)
* Now you need two or three different sources of light shining on the scene.  Angle-poised lamps, desk lamps, room lighting, standard lamps, even a torch shining on a dark area or a part you want to highlight can help. (Proper studio photographers have a more thought-out strategy about where to place lights, but you can do okay with what you can find around the house)
* I'd then take lots of different photos.  Try with and without flash (sometimes flash can fill in shadows, but sometimes it can create worse ones), from different angles (straight overheard, or angled a bit).  Standing farther away and using the optical zoom can sometimes help improve the depth of field.
Overall I'd really like to see the different designs of the pogs (which, after all, is mostly the point of them). -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 15:12, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
I'll see what i can do. --ZeWrestler 01:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for taking an improved photo

message: Were they originally milk caps or POG caps? It's plausible that both had the same sort of cap, but the article erroneously claims -both- as the 'origin'
:I'm sure they recycled the milk containers to put POG into them. I mean, we're talking 30s Hawaii here.. probably one of the first name brand bottled drinks... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 16:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Milk or POG? 

message: There is a game, I think similar to this one, where you have these small, plastic figures/creatures/monsters that you play with. Some can be glittery and they come in different colors... Does anyone know? --Shandris 15:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Crazy Bones maybe? 216.208.154.153 02:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, yes! Thanks so much for the reply! Shandristhe azylean 13:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another game 

message: I'm surprised no one has listed the rules. Perhaps an editor will volunteer? Omphaloscope » talk 13:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: be bold and add it! --Shandristhe azylean 12:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I have to agree with this --Banime (talk) 01:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you play? 

message: The introductory paragraph says the 1930s, the history section says the 1920s. Which is it?--Jcvamp 01:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1920s or 1930s 

message: On the official pog website's main page, it says:
* In 2006 POG, the classic game of flipping milk caps, is back with a whole new attitude.
* POG is available at specialty stores across the nation.
* ... about 15 years ago POG became popular again.
... and in the pog FAQ, it says things like:
* How many POG are in a series?
* Where did POG Start?
* These are some of the coolest POG out there!
* The player with the most POG wins.
Does this mean that, in the article, 'pog' should be both the singular and plural form of the word? and, for that matter, should the article be called 'pogs' or 'pog'? granted, there's no way any normal person i've ever known IRL would use the word 'pog' in that manner, but since it's used that way on the official website, should that be reflected here in the Wikipedia article?  --Khisanth 03:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  pluralization? 

message: I changed the REF tag to http://numispedia.org/AAFES/. The prior site listed (aafes-pogs.com) seems to be a shell site intended to generate traffic for other sites. Plus, it didn't have any original content. The new site has original and reference content to support all claims in the article and more. -- 72.200.97.103 02:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we move this section to a separate article or to AAFES since it has nothing to do with the game? --Apoc2400 (talk) 19:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  AAFES pog reference 

message: Hey all,
I added in-line references for most of the article. There were some sections and sentences that I couldn't find good references for (only blogs and message boards). If anyone can add those, it would be a great improvement. Also, I removed the trivia section because if the material in that section is actually trivial, it shouldn't be in the article. If it is not trivial, we can find a place in the actual articles' paragraphs for it. Sancho McCann 04:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up a bit 

message: Did anyone not play the game properly but just collect POGS and look at them, they are awesome to sift through!
RetroToysRUs 06:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very true, read above we discussed it earlier.  Most people did not even play the game, hence the game craze being cited as the "Pog Wash" --139.161.2.10 (talk) 20:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

text: What sentence? I don't see it in the version of the article that I'm looking at. Sancho McCann 16:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did anyone? 

message: In the section:
  World POG Federation
appears the following line:
   These pogs featured Pogman and released many series usually comical or skiting famous scenes, movies or other popular culture.
What does skiting mean in this context? Is it a Briticism or Australism or Newzealandism?
I looked in online dictionary sites and even urbandictionary.com - the word is unknown on the dictionary sites and urbandictionary lists several examples for 'skite', but none seem relevant... so my feeling is somebody who knows its meaning should substitute a different word or phrase that means the same thing.
I'd edit it, but I have no idea what the author meant.
Damon Simms 23:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What means 'skiting'? 

message: The info in the lead paragraph is intentionally redundant. It summarizes the article. I reinstated the recently removed material. Sancho 01:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest something along the line of "Besides games and collecting, pogs are also used for monetary purposes, etc." In general, the lead paragraph should introduce the topic and be somewhat vague, rather than going into specifics right from the get-go, such as the mention of AAFESS' use of pogs. That's my premiss. Groink 09:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good.. a little teaser to draw the reader in. I'll add wording along those lines. Sancho 15:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info in lead 

message: Although this page says passionfruit, it's a common belief that the P is for papaya. If true, the article should be updated to reflect this. If false, a comment about the mistaken identity should be made.69.216.139.217 04:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  passionfruit or papaya 

message: The teacher they have credited as introducing POGs as a game in '91 was actually a few years late. I personally remember playing "Milk Covers" as early as 1987-88 on Maui,HI. We had ones from POG, but I also remember Brand X Chocolate Milk ones too. Some kids even had Japanese ones.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.222.249.82 (talk) 22:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before '91 

message: I am curious why all but one of the external links were erased from this article. I added the one I knew off hand back to the site, only to have it taken down again? Anyway not that Wikipedia isn't great (I'm addicted) but I like being able to read the article on a subject and then get other info/P.O.V. on the subject. For instance web info on POG's is slim, so I thought the list of links was handy... I hope those more Wiki savvy than I will add them back again.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.243.234 (talk) 21:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: "Tazos were also popular in the UK - these were effectively pogs with notches along their circumference which meant they could be connected together and used to construct rudimentary 3D shapes."
In Australia I never really heard the term "pog" growing up, ALL these were labelled as tazos. The tazos / pogs with notches around their circumference were known as "techno tazos", at least at first. 59.167.61.161 (talk) 15:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it's a very late reply, but I (in the UK) only ever heard the slammers called keenies. I actually came to this page to see if I could find out where that term came from, since whenever I've discussed Pogs as an adult no one else had heard that term and I only knew it from other kids at school so I had no idea of the origins. 86.175.100.71 (talk) 15:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  That most likely came from "kini", the official name for a regular slammer, as opposed to the thicker one which was officially a "slammer".  OBrasilo (talk) 23:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tazos 

message: I was reading this page and this part stuck out at me
...These rules are not used in sanctioned competitions, after the 1995 incident causing the death of 2 players who agreed that thrown knives could be used as distractions.
lol what? i think this needs a citation if actually true, or to be removed (i'd throw in one of those tags but I nothing of editting wiki  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.77.217 (talk) 05:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That was removed, thanks. --Banime (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wait... what? 

message: ehy guys don't forget the most popular character of the pogs. POGMAN!!!!!!!!!
A good idea is to create a page for it.
thank --82.60.17.236 (talk) 14:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems interesting but not sure if its notable or useful enough for an article. I'll look into it. --Banime (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pogman! 

message: "Social commentators have generally dismissed the game of pogs as vapid and entirely menial. In particular, experts have pointed out that the game offers almost no opportunity for a child to develop strategic, social, or even motor skills."
I'm too busy to go looking for sources, but I find this rather misleading as it's not just random throwing the slammer, accuracy and speed is involved as well as consideration of the properties of the slammer when you get better at it. Competitions didn't just have random results, that's some strong evidence right there that skill in technique is developed. I know I can't put that up being original research, but it's pretty obvious. If anyone could find some nice sources perhaps for the elements that disprove that theory to be added in addition to provide a balanced view.
Viper168 (talk) 07:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but both sides need to be shown as well.  Perhaps some minor expansion of this section would better show all sides of the story, I'll look for more sources. --Banime (talk) 11:23, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't suggest replacing or removing it. Note the "to be added in addition to provide a balanced view" portion of my post. Viper168 (talk) 02:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncited Criticism 

message: I think the citation number 1 and number 2 need to be switched. zafiroblue05 | Talk 01:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at what you were talking about and felt they both addressed the claims so I just added them all to the same claim.  It's better to have more than one reference anyway, and we didn't need to switch anything.  Is that what you mean? --Banime (talk) 01:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically what I was saying is that there was no reference to "Pog Wash" in the Air Force article, but that both the idea that the name POG was an acronym for Passionfruit/Orange/Guava and the existence of the game in the 20s before commercialization are listed in the Air Force article. I guess it can't hurt to list all the sources, though, as you say. zafiroblue05 | Talk 03:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I see.   I went ahead and changed it to 1930's because of the other article, but let me go check and see. --Banime (talk) 13:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: citation

message: not a fad. still very popular. didnt fade out. UltraBibendum (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 12:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  not a fad. 

message: That whole section on military uses is ridiculous! Various branches of the armed forces of the US and other countries have used faux coinage for a long time. It appears that they are being called pogs now only because they superficially resemble pogs yet the article seems to imply that they were inspired by pogs.
John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 02:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military uses 

message: Would pogs encompass a broad enough selection of distinct game rules to be classified under a general category like Category:Game equipment? 98.86.114.92 (talk) 00:30, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Game equipment 

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message: I played this game in the late 70's and early 80's and it was popular throughout my area which was Southern California.  The game we played most resembled the South Korean version as described in the article.  We would take a piece of paper, and fold it a number of ways until it formed an octagon or a disk.  We would even take pride in designing our "pogs" (I don't actually remember what we called them and what the name was for the game) by drawing designs, coloring them, and writing our names or initials or some name giving them a personal touch.  One player would throw their pog onto the other's player's pog on the ground attempting to flip it over, and if successful, he would then keep that other's player's pog.  If you were a good player, you would amass a collection of these personally made pogs.  One reason why I vividly remember this game is because one pog that I won with so many times and that I creatively designed and decorated, I eventually lost it to some kid, and he then ripped it in front of me!  The city I lived in and the school I attended was mixed with a healthy dose of all races, but they were mostly Caucasian and Hispanic.Aamma58 (talk) 10:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Late 70's and early 80's 

message: Are players really called poggers? Is that actually accurate? 76.71.47.122 (talk) 05:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: At least the official name was poggers, yes.  - OBrasilo (talk) 23:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poggers? 

message: I was a child in the 90's, and I remember the first commercialization in Europe being CAPS rather than POG, the caps/pogs of CAPS had a purple back side with CAPS written in white. The slammers were thicker than the ones POG provided, so were much better for winning, and we called them "jokers" because of that. Later, when CAPS disappeared in favor of POG, the "jokers" also became scarce and therefore, further gained value, whereas the CAPS caps/pogs were considered inferior to POG for some reason. But yeah, in the end, we had basically three tiers of slammers: CAPS slammers/"jokers", POG metal slammers, and POG plastic slammers.
Unfortunately, I know no details (we were all children and did not really have Internet access, so we could not really do research on it) and have no source to cite. :(  - OBrasilo (talk) 22:58, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early commercialization in Europe