Talk:Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians

message: I merged content from a recently created article Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa into this already existing article at the full name for the band and redirected that page to this one. For GFDL purposes here is the history of that page. older ≠ wiser 01:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. older ≠ wiser 02:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I can't where the "Constituent Tribes" described in the merged article and copied below are in fact actually associated with the Grand Traverse Band. As far as I can tell, they are separate entities. older ≠ wiser 02:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  We have been taking inventory of all Anishinaabe-related articles and I have noticed that in our collecting, we don't have an article for the Pokagon Band of Potawatomi Indians.  Plucking the Pokagon Band information from here and using it as the start-class article for them might be a better choice.  CJLippert 23:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: misplaced content?

message: :The three groups make up the collective population of the Grand Traverse tribe, which is not a homogenous grouping.  The GT tribe members are historically descended from these three groupings and their cultures are derived from these three bases.  As noted in the article, the Ottawa and Chippewa were incorrectly lumped together into one grouping and the consequence of that was that reservation land that should have been one-tribe ended up becoming multiple.  My understanding from reviewing the histories is that each grouping self identifies ethnically along the three original lines, but politically are integrated.  Jtmichcock 02:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But there appears to be separate organizations for the Bay Mills Indian Community, River Little Band of Ottawa Indians and Pokagon Band of Potawatomi Indians that make no mention whatsoever that I can see of the Grand Traverse Band. , , , , , . And neither does the Grand Traverse Band web site make mention of the other two (except in the form of posting notices of general interest to the Indian community) older ≠ wiser 02:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are political entities.  I am speaking in terms of the ethnicity and origin of the individual tribe members.  I have excised some material and given a brief cultural overview of the histories of the three ethnicities on the main article to give readers a sense of how three tribes landed in one area.  Jtmichcock 02:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is the case, then I think this is still misplaced content, as the exact same content could go into each of the articles about the related bands. I'm not sure what you mean by "main article". older ≠ wiser 02:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that should just be article.  The informative concept is that the three different tribes are all in geographic proximity to one another, yet maintain a separate political identity.  It's like an article about Scotland and discussing how the Picts, Celts and Danes found themselves geographically tied to the same region and ended up forming a nation.  It gives the reader a broader understandinf as to why these three groups formed the GT band and not, say, the Navaho and Apache.  Jtmichcock 02:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a more appropriate place for this information might be Council of Three Fires? It just seems very odd to me that this article about one specific political entity contains general background information about the other three. Seems that the focus of this article should be this band. older ≠ wiser 03:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The articles on Switzerland and Czechoslovakia both have origins of the constituent ethnicities.  While the focus is on the band, you can't ignore the question as to how the band was formed from three different groupings.  03:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, it seems somewhat confusing -- most "officially recognized" tribal entities in the U.S. consist of a mixture of tribal enthicities.  Some description is certainly appropriate here, but, for example, the information about the Chippewa Tribe and Pokagon Band seems rather too general to be included here. What exactly is the necessity of spelling out details about these other separate tribal entities in an article about this tribal entity? Shouldn't that detailed information be in articles about those tribal entities? Then link to them from this page and mention that some members of that heritage are part of the GR tribal entitity because of the historical circumstances concerning the creation of such arbitrary tribal entities. Beyond that, the GR tribal web site doesn't include that information in its own history -- is there a source for this information? older ≠ wiser 15:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa is a federally recognized tribe, but so is the the Pokagon Band of Potawatomi Indians.  If this article was on the Anishnaabe Tribes of Lower-Peninsula Michigan, then the grouping would be fine but since they are three Anishinaabe Subtribes forming Two Federal Tribes, the article need to be split to properly reflect the two Federal Tribes. CJLippert 16:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split the article 

message: Believe that in order for a pix of Dennis Esquivel to be included in this article there should be additional text to support his inclusion. In respect, as a member of LRBOI & not Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians I am not deleting it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denisebk (talk • contribs) 12:26, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dennis Esquivel 

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