Talk:Auditory system

message: Most of Auditory_system#Structure is word-for-word identical to Chapter 4 of The 4S Handbook. Selective Sound Sensitivity Syndrome..  There's also sections which are very similar to Page 95 in Human Physiology.  It's clear that somebody has been copying from somebody else, but I can't tell if we're the violators, or the source for those books.  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That 4S book appears to be copied from here.  It is self-publishing and was published in 2012, while the text here was in the article at least as far back as 2008. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

text: And the Human Physiology text is by a non-legit publisher and isn't carried by any libraries, and our text dates back to 2005. I'm 99% sure that was copied from here into a garbage book. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:22, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

message: This page has sections which are ungrammatical, innacurate and contain references to figures that don't seem to exist... what's going on?!
:Stuff in progress, apparently; feel free to help. Dicklyon 04:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What?!

message: The just-changed statement about the ear canal amplifying a range of frequencies needs a reference.  I'm going to revert the change pending a citation.  Also, it should be rephrased to indicate what is meant by "amplifies" here; probaby it's a pressure increase, not a power increase; a reference should clarify.  Dicklyon 04:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ear canal amplifies?

message: Auditory brain center is a nearly-linkless article, which may have some contents worth merging in here.  Seems like a no-brainer, but please comment if you support or oppose merging it. Dicklyon 07:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from Auditory brain center 

message: to Dicklyon: yep, will do. Will clean up the other sensory systems first.
Name                   	Function                                                                                                                                                                                       	Function                                                                                                                                                                                       	
Ear canal              	Is a tube running from the outer ear(pinna) to the middle ear(ear drum) and in humans is about 35 mm in length and 5 to 10 mm in diameter.                                                     	Is a tube running from the outer ear(pinna) to the middle ear(ear drum) and in humans is about 35 mm in length and 5 to 10 mm in diameter.                                                     	
Tympanic_membrane      	Commonly known as the eardrum, is a membrane made of skin and collagen fibres. Located between the external ear and middle ear, its function is to transmit sound from the air to the ossicles.	Commonly known as the eardrum, is a membrane made of skin and collagen fibres. Located between the external ear and middle ear, its function is to transmit sound from the air to the ossicles.	
Ossicles               	Malleus                                                                                                                                                                                        	Is the hammer shaped bone that transmits sound vibrations to the incus.                                                                                                                        	Is the hammer shaped bone that transmits sound vibrations to the incus.
Ossicles               	Incus                                                                                                                                                                                          	Is the anvil shaped bone that transmits sound vibrations from the malleus to the stapes.                                                                                                       	Is the anvil shaped bone that transmits sound vibrations from the malleus to the stapes.
Ossicles               	Stapes                                                                                                                                                                                         	Is a stirrup shaped bone that is the smallest and lightest bone in the human body. It is attached between the incus and the Fenestra ovalis.                                                   	Is a stirrup shaped bone that is the smallest and lightest bone in the human body. It is attached between the incus and the Fenestra ovalis.
Fenestra_ovalis        	Also known as the oval-window. It is a membrane that is directly connected to the staples and it separates the middle ear from the inner ear.                                                  	Also known as the oval-window. It is a membrane that is directly connected to the staples and it separates the middle ear from the inner ear.                                                  	
Labyrinth_(inner_ear)  	Cochlea                                                                                                                                                                                        	Auditory portion of the inner ear. It is filled with a watery fluid and tiny hairs. It is via these hairs that sound is transformed into electrical impulses that go to the brain.             	Auditory portion of the inner ear. It is filled with a watery fluid and tiny hairs. It is via these hairs that sound is transformed into electrical impulses that go to the brain.
Labyrinth_(inner_ear)  	Vestibular_system                                                                                                                                                                              	Main component in regards to balance and movement.                                                                                                                                             	Main component in regards to balance and movement.
Vestibulocochlear_Nerve	Cochlear_nerve                                                                                                                                                                                 	Is the nerve that carries signals from the cochlea, in the inner ear, to the brain.                                                                                                            	Is the nerve that carries signals from the cochlea, in the inner ear, to the brain.
Vestibulocochlear_Nerve	Vestibular_nerve                                                                                                                                                                               	Carries information about balance from the Vestibular_ganglion to the Pons and Medulla in the Brain.                                                                                           	Carries information about balance from the Vestibular_ganglion to the Pons and Medulla in the Brain.
Primary_auditory_cortex	Located in the temporal lobe. Processes hearing, pitch and volume.                                                                                                                             	Located in the temporal lobe. Processes hearing, pitch and volume.                                                                                                                             	
Regarding these proposed tables, editors might like to follow the discussion here Famousdog (talk) 10:19, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  work in progress for easy to understand table for Auditory system

message: I deleted the recent additions to the lead for a few reasons. 
* There were many formatting errors
* There were grammatical errors and typos
* It was not well-sourced
* Much of it did not make sense; the terminology was inconsistent with the rest of the article
* The architecture described in the picture is inconsistent with the rest of the article, and was not sourced. It was also wrong in a couple places, such as labeling the MGN part of the mesencephalon (it is part of the thalamus, which is part of the diencephalon), and labeling the "temporal lobe" as part of the diencephalon (it is mostly neocortex, and therefore part of the telencephalon)
But I do think the lead should be expanded, and maybe a better and more complete diagram would be in order. Does anyone have any ideas?
: I am going to undo the edits by Steamboat Jim again, for the same reasons. A non-peer-reviewed website is not a source. I agree that the article is incomplete. But this content is original research, not encyclopedia content.
Eflatmajor7th (talk) 01:04, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: When it comes to adding your own POV, supported by your own published and unpublished sources, it's better to make a proposal on the talk page and let other editors decide whether it's suitable for addition to the article.  Otherwise you may be in a WP:COI situation, motivated by promoting your own POV.  Dicklyon (talk) 05:14, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead, and recent deletion 

message: I think the present lead image would serve much better as an image for the auditory periphery section. A more comprehensive image is more desirable for the lead. Does anyone have anything that would be a good comprehensive image of the auditory system? I found this image which I thought was pretty good:
http://emcap.iua.upf.edu/BasicsAuditorySystem.jpg
But I think it is under copyright, Netter Images. Are we able to use this image at all, or do we need to make one ourselves, or find one in the public domain? Eflatmajor7th (talk) 07:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you that a better image would be nice, but when I looked around for one some time ago, I was unable to find anything with a suitable copyright status. Looie496 (talk) 03:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I have proposed to merge Neuronal encoding of sound here. Rationale: Both articles cover the same subject. Neuronal encoding of sound has some problems. It reads like a seminar paper and contains information that should not go into an encyclopedic article (e.g. preliminary remarks on acoustics). The content is somewhat problematic, too. Instead of a rewrite it would make much sense to integrate the useful parts that are not redundant into Auditory system (which can easily be seen as the more general term that also covers more obviously the non-neural encoding aspects like outer, middle, inner ear mechanics etc.). Kind regards, 㓟 (talk) 20:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly is problematic (see Talk:Neuronal encoding of sound).  It's bascially the one WP contribution of User:Nzachariah3, who is probably a student of this stuff, with a narrow viewpoint.  On the other hand, it is potentially an important distinction in topic from Auditory system, which is more about anatomy and gross functional organization.  An article on how neurons encode sound could be good, but this is not a great start.  And I don't have time to write it, as I'm trying to write my own book that overlaps this area and don't want to get too tangled up with WP on this material.  Dicklyon (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for you impression, Dicklyon. I can see that an article on the particulars of neural encoding would be nice, and true, this one is not it. So what is your position on the proposed merge? Kind regards! 㓟 (talk) 09:05, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with the rationale "Both articles cover the same subject."  Therefore, I don't agree that the merge would be helpful, except maybe as a way to make a bunch of flaky material disappear.  Dicklyon (talk) 02:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: The page is called "auditory system" but it is only about the human auditory system, not any others. I propose it be renamed "human auditory system" and "auditory system" be for animal auditory systems generally.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.118.94.167 (talk) 23:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That would make sense if such an article existed.  Until at least a sketch of an article is written by somebody, it wouldn't accomplish anything. Looie496 (talk) 01:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  other auditory systems 

message: it would be useful if a seperate article for simple outlook of the general structure of ear is available.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.230.103.239 (talk) 09:14, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:   a seperate article for simple outlook of the general structure of ear. 

message: Have placed this at the end of the page before Clinical significance. This section was recently added by a new editor who clearly hadn't looked into the Wiki guidelines. The references provided are not entered up correctly and some may not even be suitable; there is a repetition of certain bits of information; there is a lot of content completely uncited. Have placed this section further down, still keeping the heading but treating it more as a summary. The section is in real need of attention. No links at all are provided and it is quite badly written up. But there may be useful content to retrieve. Let's see if it can be made good.  Or it may be felt that it should be removed for improvement first.--Iztwoz (talk) 20:56, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: New section System overview

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message: Most of Auditory_system#Structure is word-for-word identical to Chapter 4 of The 4S Handbook. Selective Sound Sensitivity Syndrome..  There's also sections which are very similar to Page 95 in Human Physiology.  It's clear that somebody has been copying from somebody else, but I can't tell if we're the violators, or the source for those books.  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That 4S book appears to be copied from here.  It is self-publishing and was published in 2012, while the text here was in the article at least as far back as 2008. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

text: And the Human Physiology text is by a non-legit publisher and isn't carried by any libraries, and our text dates back to 2005. I'm 99% sure that was copied from here into a garbage book. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:22, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
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