Talk:Yom Kippur War/Archive 1

message: *Background: This move has been done and reverted several times in recent days.  It seems appropriate to use the Wikipedia:Requested moves mechanism to gather broader feedback rather than have a move war.  I have therefore created this request as a third party; I'm not the requester. -- Curps 06:44, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional brief explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~. This poll is to last roughly one week. 
* Strongly oppose. The current name is the most common (and thus is the one proscribed by our name policy); the proposed one is not. The current name is neutral, the proposed one is not (for reasons below). As anyone who is aware of Gracenote's editing knows, this proposal is a clear example of disrupting wikipedia to make a point (he didn't like how Palestinian territories is/was named so he picked a fight here, on what was a very, very quiet article). Oh, and based on his actions under his old name on the clitoris article, I fully expect Grace Note to completely ignore the outcome of this poll. →Raul654 06:50, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Add any additional comments
* I think this sets some kind of record for WP:RM... a requested move supported by absolutely no one, including the person who added the request to WP:RM and the person who actually performed the move in the past.  I guess there's nothing to do but sit back and admire the unanimity (who said consensus is difficult to achieve?), leave it up for a couple of days so that those who participated can see the results, and then move to the bottom of the talk page or archive or delete. -- Curps 05:46, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

text: DEFCON 3 refers to an increase in force readiness above normal. United States military commands (minus the Strategic Air Command, at heightened alert on DEFCON 2) went to this level in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. All United States forces went on DEFCON 3 during the 1973 Yom Kippur War when Soviet nuclear warheads were discovered moving toward Egypt. James Schlesinger sent U.S. forces to the Middle East without notifying NATO. The third time the United States reached DEFCON 3 was during the September 11, 2001 attacks.
I am not familiar with this war but I think that the nuclear aspect should be mentioned since the word 'nuclear' isnt found in the article at all. --ShaunMacPherson 06:49, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: I deleted cause it was not really true.
Isreal got many weapons from Germany the USA and members in the common wealth.
the old mistaken surprise subject
listen there was no surprised attack what so ever.
we know in Israel that the military and goverment high ministers knew and had all the signs 
that the war is going to break. to say that there was a surprise it is a bad point of view and a one major error. 212.179.81.67
:Perhaps so, but either way, it's impertinent — historical claims and observations requiere references. El_C 10:18, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I remember reading their (Yedioth Ahronoth, that is) print series on it with great interest and found it absolutely fascinating. Incidentally, you can sign your username by typing ~~~~ :) El_C 19:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weaponry 

message: I am satisfied that the section about the lead up to the war is complete. The immediate aftermath is *almost* complete (it just needs a talk about the syrian front and UN peacekeeper intervention). The section on the war itself is wholly inadaquate, and the long term effects section is virtually empty. I'd like to address these, and then nominate this article on Wikipedia:featured article candidates. In the mean time, I'd appreciate it if anyone could track down some copyleft pics of the fighting to use in this article. →Raul654 03:01, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
:I've just created the article on Operation Nickel Grass, the U.S. airlift of supplies to Israel (it's since been featured in Did You Know). I'll start looking for pics and see if I can't contribute here and there... -Lommer | talk 03:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Things to do

message: Ok, I'm satisfied that this article is complete, except for the description of the fighting on the Syrian front , the participation by other Arab states, and it still needs a references section. After that, I'll nominate it on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. →Raul654 16:37, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
:By the way, I *know* the Director of WP:FAC, let me know if you wish for me to pull some strings! ;p El_C 06:50, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ...Almost there

message: Ever other paragraph seems to be taken directly from Rabinovich's book that this might as well be called the official war history of israel. I'm not accusing of a bias, but implying the excessive quotations from a single israeli author might be seen by other readers as a POV way of presenting things. I believe that the arab world did not publish any official findings etc., but other views on the war must be incorporated, israeli victory notwithstanding. Right now despite a pretty good presentation of the war, it sounds like snippets cut from Rabinovich's research. Idleguy 05:13, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
:You said it yourself - the arab world conducted no official inquiries or studies into the war, and (excluding Ariel Sharon) the principle people involved on both sides are all dead. To complain of a lack of arab sources is patently unfair. →Raul654 22:25, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
::Very well, but also, to complain of a complain of a lack of MORE references, than just that of Rabinovich, is also unfair. If there are no Arab sources, then this is no justification of counting on LESS sources. In fact, it is a justification of the very opposite, that we need more and more sources from elsewhere. Rabinovich, is here, in this one-sided article, is almost God-provider-of-all-knowledge, incarnates! -- Thank you Maysara 10:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a wikipedia article or excerpts from Abraham Rabinovich's book?