Talk:History of Guatemala

message: What was the Central American Civil War (1826–1829)? Does it have a wikipedia page under a different name or should it have a page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg.collver (talk • contribs) 15:10, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Central America civil war?

message: This article betrays a distinct bias from scholars depending on Richard Hansen's version of events in Mesoamerican history. It needs to be balanced by scholars with equally valid views who work elsewhere in Mesoamerica, such as the in the Southern Maya area. Several of the claims, as well, are not attributable to peer-reviewed publications and, hence, are insupportable at this point.
*What specifically do you feel warrants that label? In what ways is it not neutral and in what do you suggest we do to correct that? --Clngre 18:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you're saying and I'll set aside some time soon to augment it. I guess one of the problems is that there is no real proverbial 'other side' in this. I mean, there is no real pro-PBSUCCESS side, if that paragraph can be characterized as anti-PBSUCCESS. What sides do exist pretty much agree that it was a mess-up to one degree or another (most of the post-overthrow objectives were not met, the suspicion that the Soviet Union was playing a significant role, that underpinned the entire operation, proved to be unfounded, etc), but one 'side' just thinks that it was an unfortunate mess-up done with the best intentions. I get this characterization from the internally written CIA history of the coup, which discusses how it's something of a source of embarrassment within the agency and how a few still talk about it in a "we did what we were obligated to do under the circumstances" kind of way. In any case, I do think that view is important and one that deserves representation so I'll work it in as soon as I have the time. Thanks a lot for your help and advice--Clngre 03:32, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Ok I just made some, maybe too modest, changes to the section that I nevertheless feel are sufficient. But, again, my view of this is limited, so if there is something that can still be improved please let me know. --Clngre 12:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV?

message: This article really displays a mythical school textbook view of the Conquest.  It didn't begin and end in 1534.  The last Maya state, in Petén, was conquered in -- wait for it -- 1697!  It is also mythical that Bartolomé de las Casas pacified the Q'eqchi'. The Wikipedia article on the Q'eqchi' correctly states:  Bartolomé de las Casas was given permission to try to convert the Qʼeqchiʼ people to Christianity, however, only a small portion was converted and the church lost all ability to govern the Qʼeqchiʼ."  Rexdwyer (talk) 19:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Mythical Conquest

message: has written a series of terribly formatted and horribly named articles, some of which appear to be original research as she draws conclusions about their importance. Please merge the following back into this article, or help to write them in an encyclopedic manner:
*The Guatemalan Revolution: 1944-1954
*Politcs in Post Revolutionary Guatemala
*Guatemala: After the Revolution
*CIA's Role: 'PBSUCCESS'
*The Role of the United States and the CIA
*Guatemalan Indians and Ethnic Conflict
*Disunity in the Guatemalan Church
*Agrarian reform
*Communism and the Guatemalan Revolution
*Juan Jose Arévalo
*University of San Carlos
Thank you. Harro5 01:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See also separate bibliographies here: Journal Articles and Books and External Links. This is a god-awful mess; this woman has seemingly plagiarised over 50 sources! Harro5 01:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

text: No need to have redirects as no one is likely to search these titles. Maybe just delete all as CSD A8? Harro5 01:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Redirects have solved the short-term problems, getting an admin to delete them would be great, SqueakBox 01:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted the redirects under CSD R3. If the user comes back, I'd endorse indefinite deletion if she just posts more copyvios. Harro5 01:35, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

text: All the articles reappeared on April 16, 2006. I indefinetely blocked the user, , and am speedy deleting all the articles under CSD G4/A8. Harro5 23:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging content 

message: This section needs to be exapnded further, compared to the Cold War era Guatemala is irrecognizable in just a short few decades. This fact needs to be highlighted further although there is much work to be done.
I dislike that Alfonso Portillo is portrayed in a positive light. On the last few hours that he enjoyed inmunity from prosecution he loaded up a plane full of cash stolen from the funds of the army and flew off to Mexico. He is a fugitive from justice and now lives in Mexico. These facts are well documented in the Guatemalan press.
His government is considered the most currupt in recent history and a complete failure. Organized crime picked up force during this era and now runs rampant. the administraiton did little or nothing to combat Guatemala's extensive problems; not to mention that it left the governemnt completely flat broke.
A link to people of the time are also needed like Efrain Rios Mont, Rogoberta Menchu, and other significant figures. 
if you need resources for the expansion of pages on Guatemala might i point you in the direction of:
http://www.sigloxxi.com/
and especially
www.prensalibre.com
they are both great sources of information, keep extensive archives, are distributed nation-wide, and a harsh on the political class, although they are a little soft on big bisness.
Keep up the good work.
--SvenGodo 07:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  21st Century 

message: The citation style with a number in {curly brackets} isn't working.  I don't know which source is supposed to be verifying the statement about 12,000 years ago.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 01:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation style

message: Removed the following para concerning El Mirador, contains way too many errors to retain without complete rewrite:
The city of El Mirador was the biggest city in ancient America, has the largest pyramid in the world, at 2,800,000 Mt2 of volume (some 200,000 more than the Giza pyramid in Egypt), and was by far the most populated city in the pre-Columbian America.  In fact, Mirador was the first politically organized state in America, named the Kan Kingdom in ancient texts. There were 26 cities, some  bigger than Tikal, the Jewel of the Classic period, all connected by huge Sacbeob (plural for highways ), or Sacbé (singular), meaning "White road", several km long and up to 40 mts. wide and 2 to 4 mts. above the ground, paved with stucco, that are clearly distinguishable from the air in the most extensive virgin tropical rain forest left in Mesoamerica.  Thus, these were kingdoms equal in power and culture to those in Egypt, Mesopotamia, China, etc.
Calling it the biggest/most populous city in the pre-Columbian Americas is false in both aspects, as there are others with larger estimated extent and populations; the pyramid measurements are not so confidently known; it was a long way from being the 1st politically organised state, or momumental centre, in the Americas (for eg some cities of Norte Chico in Sth America pre-date by almost 2000 yrs), or even of the Mesoamerican region, or even of the central/southern lowlands; there are more than 26 Mirador Basin sites known; not all of them are connected by sacbeob (which are not so easy to spot from the air, in any case). The remainder of the pre-Columbian section has its problems, but this para is particularly misleading, and warrants removal. --cjllw ʘ TALK 00:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Mirador 

message: Besides the material on the civil war period in this article, much of the other material seems to have been copy and pasted from websites, possibly in violation of copyrights. For example, much of the material in the article appears here: [ 
:Strange that you are making this claim when you know that the material is in the public domain.Ultramarine (talk) 03:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Violation 

message: Any objections to merging these two sections? I don't see a distinction.Notmyrealname (talk) 07:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merger of "References" and "Further reading" sections

message: I've gone in and found some citations that were not showing up because they were done incorrectly. I made the citations visible and rewrote the text to remove text that was confusing, opinionated and unnecessary. I hoped I've improved the section. I am slightly concerned that some of the text might be verbatim from the sources, but as they are not online sources was unable to check. Okiebradshaw (talk) 17:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  PreColumbian Era 

message: It's clear there are several different overlapping writers:
"After Jacobo Arbenz came to power in 1951, he extended political freedom, allowing Communists in Guatemala to participate in politics. This move by Arbenz let many opponents in Ubico’s regime to recognize themselves as Communists. By 1952, Arbenz supported a land reform, and took unused agricultural land, about 225,000 acres (910 km2), from owners who had large properties, and made it available to rural workers and farmers. These lands were to be taken from the United Fruit Company with compensation; however, the UFC believed the compensation was not enough. Meantime, Arbenz allowed the Communist Party to organize and include leaders notably his adviser who were leftist. The propaganda effort that was led by United Fruit Company against the revolution in Guatemala persuaded the U.S. government to fight against communism in Guatemala. The United States clutched on small details to prove the existence of widespread Communism in Guatemala. The Eisenhower administration at the time in the U.S. were not happy about the Arbenz government, they considered Arbenz to be too close to Communism; there have been reports that Arbenz’s wife was a Communist and part of the Communist Party in Guatemala. Even though it was impossible for the U.S. to gather evidence and information about Guatemala’s relations to the Soviet Union, Americans wanted to believe that Communism existed in Guatemala. Many groups of Guatemalan exiles were armed and trained by the CIA, and commanded by Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas they invaded Guatemala on June 18, 1954. The Americans called it an Anti-Communist Coup against Arbenz. The coup was supported by CIA radio broadcasts and so the Guatemalan army refused to resist the coup, Arbenz was forced to resign. In 1954 a military government replaced Arbenz' government and disbanded the legislature and they arrested communist leaders, Castillo Armas became president.
Arbenz was elected without a secret ballot. He considered himself a communist and joined the Communist Party in 1957. His land reform, designed by the Communist Party, was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, which he then purged. His regime openly praised Stalin, relied on the communists for key decisions, and received arms from the Soviet bloc.[17] He killed hundreds of his opponents.[18] The CIA intervened because it feared that a communist dictatorship would become a Soviet beachhead in the Western Hemisphere.[19]"''
These two paragraphs are from different drafts and were just kind of stuck together.
Please don't delete without discussion.  THis is the history of a real country, a wealth of studies into its history have been done, this article should not be so shitty, poorly written and back and forth.  It needs to be coherant for people trying to learn about the histroy of the country and see what's truthful.
155.247.134.211 (talk) 21:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: POV confusion and deletion

message: This article is currently 142kb of text, far larger than the size at which the guidelines suggest breaking it up. There are no shortage of subsidiary articles in this area, so it seems to me that some content detail may safely be shifted to these. Unless any objections are raised, I will do so in a little while. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:45, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Support --Cornellier (talk) 14:36, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: Is this article ready for a ? It seems very comprehensive. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  23:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a mess. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 02:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA-ready? 

message: This article is missing information about its crucial colonial period, between the Conquest and the Independence. It would be great if someone can add it. Regards, --Thinker78 (talk) 00:56, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing info about Colony