Talk:Creativity and mental health

message: Bah.  All this research shows is that the modern construct of "bipolar disorder" is very similar to our centuries old notion of how artists should act. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownApple (talk • contribs) 01:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can accept that there's no logical reason...  But at least since the rise of Romanticism, we've idolized and encouraged representations of artists as emotionally and mentally unstable people.  The romantics, of course, thought this instability was a sign of a deeper and more pronounced connection to humanity's emotional core (or something like that).  If we'd stuck with the Englightenment ideal of the rational artist (e.g. DaVinci), things might look very different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Nahum Reduta 03:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the portrayal of artists, scientists, and other creative professions would likely be different if DaVinci had remained the ideal. But the sheer amount of Leo's accomplishments, scientific and artistic, are perhaps a good representation of hypomania (obviously this is just an opinion). Also you seem to suggest that mental illness, in particular bipolar disorder, would be something of which the public would be aware. I disagree and would suggest that bipolar disorder is an illness that causes extreme feelings of shame, which would undoubtedly result in secrecy. As the world becomes more and more modernized, one's privacy, particularly public figures' privacy, diminishes leading to a greater visibility of mental illness (not to mention the effects of establishing and advancing psychiatry), and consequently a stronger public opinion of the link between creativity and bipolar disorder. Though the extent to which bipolar disorder is linked to creativity is likely exaggerated in the minds of most, it is my opinion that the disorder variably increases the creativity of all with the illness instead of merely having a greater percentage of highly creative individuals. p.s. this article really requires someone who has dedicated a great deal of his/her life to the topic to avoid exactly the kind of speculation I just spewed out. - Teek (November 03, 2008)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.176.52 (talk) 07:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable concepts 

message: The article requires citations.  If material cannot be producted to support various statements, those statements should be deleted.  Several of the articles "cited" are not available as cited, and so that material should also be deleted unless an interested editor can find material that meets the wikipedia standard of being verifiable. DPetersontalk 23:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: citations needed and articles that don't exist

message: This article is in an extremely poor condition. As DPeterson says, proper cites are required for the assertions in the article: the current "works cited" format is less than ideal.  -- The Anome 20:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference, "* Jamison, Kay Redfield, "Manic-Depressive Illness and Creativity," Mysteries of the Mind, February 1995" is not a valid source to support the "scientific" statements made in this encyclopedia article.  The book is not peer-reviewed, not an empirical study, and merely a collection of essays and unfounded theories. DPetersontalk 14:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For research to be scientific an empirical study is not a prerequisite, especially in social sciences. --Grace E. Dougle 15:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless, the book is merely a collection of essays and unfounded opinion. DPetersontalk 17:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Good point. DPetersontalk 17:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that DPeterson has deleted the references Zeraeph mentioned just minutes after finding his idea a 'good point' on here. --Grace E. Dougle 17:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also note that "deleting" was NOT the approach Zeraeph had in mind when mentioning them... --Zeraeph 18:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I would like to see some of Prof Ruth Richards' work in here, which focusses on identifying and measuring creativity, rather than characterising bipolar sufferers. Her book with Prof Mark Runco, "Eminent Creativity,Everyday Creativity and Health has two entire sections on this issue. Interestingly, her recent work on a "Lifetime Creativity Scale" found that the most creative people were actually those who were closely related to bipolar sufferers, not the sufferers themselves. She hypothesises that mild hypomania (or what Cziksentmihalyi would call "flow") is indeed essential to creativity. Chelseamisscandy (talk) 13:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major rewrite needed 

message: I've found an excellent article published in Psychiatric Times in 2005, which cites a considerable number of sources: 
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The list of citations given at the end of this Psychiatric Times article looks like a good place to start in a literature search on this topic. -- Karada 11:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Forty lives in the bebop business: mental health in a group of eminent jazz musicians -- Added by Jason C Daniels 19:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: *‘Kind of Blue’: creativity, mental disorder and jazz -- Added by Jason C Daniels 19:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Psychiatric Times'' article 

message: Since I began taking drugs to help me cope with bipolar disorder, I have indeed noticed that my creativity has decreased. For years I have kept a catalogue of ideas I intend to develop; lately my catalogue has been receiving fewer and briefer entries, and I find myself disinterested in what has been committed to file. I have also found it harder to concentrate and recall how I came across a line of reasoning.
I know my personal account doesn't belong in the article, but I hope that at the very least, others could chime in about their experiences. This could also be another direction to follow with the article: that of contemporary people finding their creativity affected either by their illnesses or their treatment. Writers of antiquity probably didn't comment on their emotional experiences, much less how they were affected. —Nahum Reduta (talk) 03:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Those under treatment 

message: The idea that bipolar people are creative is, in my decades of experience dealing with them, rubbish. They make almighty mountains of bad art, not because they're driven by creative insights. It's simply because they can't hold down jobs. Secondly, this article starts off saying great figures of history have been bipolar but the list provided instead actually says 'may have been' and a lot of them aren't artists. For example, the very first one is a shooting victim. This does not make him an artist.
Bipolar people are special in the same way that people with broken legs are special.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.173.167 (talk) 20:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Contrarily, there is firm evidence for increased creativity in bipolar disorder, as measured by word association test, for example and people carrying genes that predispose to bipolar disorder or schizophrenia are more likely to work in creative professions. Furthermore, people who excel in school performance are about four times more likely to develop bipolar disorder. RandomPerson (talk) 23:50, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politesse meant for public consumption 

message: Since the 1960s at least, the idea that creativity and bipolar has been around, and certainly madness and creativity is an older schema popular in fiction. However, this article is full if "may have" and "supposed" and "suspected". Sorry, this isn't science. I move to shorten the article and make it a smaller part of a larger text, possibly about the representation of mental illness/bipolar in society and art.
The poster above's comments are acerbic but may indicate a statistical bias in why we associate bipolar with creativity: bipolar patients don't gravitate toward maths-heavy employment.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.175.208 (talk) 12:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anecdotal, not science 

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Unfortunately, none of the full reviews are free, but we should be able to get quite a bit just from the abstracts. MichaelExe (talk) 02:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  BAM 

message: plenty of material on google about this
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=creative+schizotypal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+creativity+schizotypal&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A%20creativity%20schizotypal&tbo=u&tbs=bks:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=sp
--Penbat (talk) 20:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creativity and schizotypal 

message: its often thought that dyslexics are often particularly creative. --Penbat (talk) 14:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  creativity and dyslexia 

message: The section lists just a handful of people. That list could easily go on as an entire article, if it'd be of value to wikipedia.50.137.247.29 (talk) 22:27, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous People as a section? 

message: There are plenty of nice anecdotes about the "mad genius" hypothesis but more rigorous analysis points to the possibility that this is just confirmation bias. This article is written like it's an empirical fact but at best it is a debated topic.
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2009-06908-006 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3935122/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.228.120 (talk) 20:39, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  At the very least, this article needs a "Criticism" section. 

message: I'd like to request an edit with this page in the opening paragraph. 
The opening paragraph reads: "Parallels can be drawn to connect creativity to major mental disorders including: bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, major depressive disorder, anxiety disorder, and ADHD. For example, numerous studies have demonstrated correlations between creative occupations and people living with mental illness. There are cases that support the idea that mental illness can aid in creativity, but there is also strong support that mental illness does not have to be present for creativity to exist."
I would like to request that "mental disorders" be changed to "mental illnesses" as this is the terminology that is used throughout the mental health and addictions medical world and "mental disorders" suggests that someone suffering from this illness has a disorder - which as defined is a disruption of a normal physical or mental function. The illnesses listed are illnesses like any other. 
Thanks kindly in advance.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.175.244.4 (talk) 00:25, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  {request edit} 

message: This heading is kind of silly in my opinion. The text below provides evidence that isn't strong enough to support this claim, so having a heading that has this level of certainty is misleading. I think it should be changed to "correlation between mood and creativity" or something to that effect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tightopal (talk • contribs) 14:39, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Positive mood does not inhibit creativity 

message: I'm not sure what the notable individuals section is for. Is it just a list of people who have spoken about their experience of mental illness and creativity? Is where others have speculated? Is it more formal case studies?
Or should there just be links to List of people with schizophrenia, List of people with bipolar disorder, and List of people with major depressive disorder? OsFish (talk) 04:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Individuals: what is the section for?  

message: I'm suggesting this move as it would provide a more neutral title to the topic of the relationship between creativity and mental health. The current title presumes there is a negative relationship between creativity and psychological well-being and thus is biased. In addition, creative activities can be good for mental health. OsFish (talk) 06:30, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose move to [[Creativity and mental health]] 

message: Van Gogh is one of the most famous artists known for his unique creativity and is understood to have suffered from various mental illness. Can someone who knows more about him, please add him to the notable individuals section?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.24.103.209 (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Individuals: Add Vincent Van Gogh? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved   -- Calidum 15:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Creativity and mental health →  – the content of the article is mainly about the link with mental disorders. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Hi  I have proposed deletion for this article (See request here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Creativity and mental health) because I think that's more appropriate. If however this article is retained, I support your proposal as it more accurately reflects the content of this article. Tom (LT) (talk) 04:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Psychology has been notified of this discussion.  ASUKITE 17:04, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Medicine has been notified of this discussion.  ASUKITE 17:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 13 October 2021 

message: “and hromised You a Rose Garden] as“ makes no sense. 62.63.228.38 (talk) 22:16, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some copy-paste or editing error? 

message: I am adding some new content / references from PubMed to hopefully provide some more scientific evidence on the page. I am also going to add a short section discussing how creativity can have a positive impact on mental wellbeing. Please reach out if you have questions or concerns!
Bch7677 (talk) 21:17, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Content 

message: After reading the section and its sources I felt that this section did not represent the research at all. I am adding some sources and hoping to represent what they say little more accurately. I am by no means an expert on this topic and would love feedback. I have the section rewrite in my sandbox that anyone can view. It doesn't have the sources in it yet but I can provide the sources for anyone interested in providing me with some feedback. Nrpm (talk) 20:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  rewriting the creativity and mood section 

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