Talk:Final Fantasy XII/Archive 4

message: I have no qualms about the semantics of calling Ivalice a region or a world... But what I do have a problem with is the sound. Like it doesn't sound poetic enough to call something "region or world". You don't see or produce that type of writing. Consider a better sounding alternative. Or it should be left at world. --Htmlism 15:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, considering there are two sources (one from the game, and one from the official website) that claim Ivalice is a world -- that is my vote for the term. Noah 15:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Again, not focusing on the semantics. How about "Ivalice, a region in a world of the same name". It sounds hokey, but it will only continue to sound hokey by keeping both terms in there. You could keep making the explanation longer and longer and more clear about the discrepancy, but it would no longer serve as a short apositive mid-sentence. --Htmlism 15:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The next sentence in that paragraph explains that Ivalice consists of the three continents Ordalia, etc etc... My vote is to leave it how it is. "world of Ivalice", then have the next part explain that Ivalice also consists of the other continents. Two official sources is enough evidence for me that the world/planet name is, in fact, Ivalice. Noah 15:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I also move to reword the sentence so that the paragaraph can focus on the exact location where the story took place - a region in the large world called Ivalice. 私はBluerfnです 06:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's fine, but I think the latest edit -- is too wordy. I'm going to change it back to "This region consists of..." instead of "This region, where the story takes place,..." because it was already established prior in the paragraph where "the story takes place." Makes sense? Noah 12:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, all right. As long as it makes sense. 私はBluerfnです 14:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: wow, this is kinda dumb, just saying... why not "a place called Ivalice" to get over this world/region crap... -Xornok 14:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ivalice, Region/World 

message: I was wondering if it would be possible to add a link to Final Fantasy Forums.net on the FFXII article? I think people will need a great place to discuss the newly Final Fantasy game. Seeing as there aren't any discussion forum for FFXII, you know. Just an ideal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.194.52.104 (talk) 19:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but the site requires registration to just view its contents, thus it is not a good external link per our external links guideline. -- ReyBrujo 21:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, another problem is that it's a forum which also goes against policy. Axem Titanium 22:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: You are thinking like a specialized user, not as a casual user. A casual user who arrives here won't be registering in a forum to get to see the different discussions. Thus, it is not useful for casual users, which may be 50% of the users who arrive here. -- ReyBrujo 22:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Of course you're not. You're only arguing vehemently for its inclusion. Unfortunately, we can't violate two criteria for external links just for your site. Axem Titanium 23:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Final Fantasy Forums.net 

message: Does anyone find it strange that Cero gave this game an All Ages rating, while ESRB still gave it a Teen rating? Is this game supposed to be more mild han the other ones, I mean KHII's rating was higher than this!
:Rating and censoring for the youth market are generally more lenient in Japan than in the West.—ウルタプ 00:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Meanwhile parts of the game where edited out for the japan release...Wengero 06:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: And maybe they just didn't find that one scene or word that provoced them to a rating raise? It's not nessecarily a milder game by any other means...62.92.35.24 19:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All Ages? 

message: The lead section is too long. The final three paragraphs should be distributed to sections (probably development and audio) to keep the lead at three paragraphs. — Deckiller 16:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead section

message: So, why keep their names as Katakana?  After I ask this question, I shall look at the other FF games, particularly 10's, which was a feature article. KyuuA4 20:15, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I don't understand your question. The katakana that appears in the article is exactly what shows up in the Japanese version of the game. Axem Titanium 00:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the other FF games articles, such as Final Fantasy VI, VII, VIII etc, the characters names in the plot section aren't written with their katakana equivalent. Perhaps that's why this person asked. 私はBluerfnです 09:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character Names aren't Japanese

message: Considering it's the first time I've heard a real-world language used in a Final Fantasy (barring Latin, and even then the use was not cultural), would it be worth mentioning the employment of Sanskrit as the language of Bhujerba? -- Hidoshi 08:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you can, if you give references, like a Sanskrit dictionary or something. But that's just me. 私はBluerfnです 08:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there was a bit of greek writing in some FMVs from Final Fantasy VIII. But I guess that's really irrelevant. --TheEmulatorGuy 05:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Sanskrit 

message: This seems out of place:
::It was praised for its seamless transitions between FMV segments and the in-game engine.[28]
I'll leave it, but I'm sure somebody can find a better way to stick that in there. If not, I would recommend moving it. -- Mellesime 12:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's referring to the review that it's citing but I'm sure a better place can be found. Axem Titanium 00:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical Response 

message: How about adding a link to the Map-Ressource http://www.ff12maps.com to the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lucleonhart (talk • contribs) 16:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem like the most helpful site to the average reader (who may or may not be a gamer, mind you). Best if you didn't add it. Axem Titanium 00:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map-Ressource Website 

message: I changed Basch fon Rosenberg to Basch von Rosenberg in this article.  It's obvious to anyone who's played the game with subtitles on that this is the correct spelling.  If you need further proof:
Google search: "basch von rosenberg" 1109 results
Google search: "basch fon rosenberg" 76 results
The translation is clearly what people are tripping up on, but we're not spelling Baflear or Furan those ways in the North American version of the game.  -Oatmeal batman 19:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhhh... no. See this, at around 3:40 into the video. It is clearly pronounced AND written "Basch fon Ronsenburg". Axem Titanium 20:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yup, it's fon, NOT von.  Don't know why this is such a problem for people.  Also, the reason you got those Google results is because you spelled his last name incorrectly as well.  It's not Rosenburg; it's Ronsenburg.  Geeze. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.111.114.59 (talk) 08:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It is sad that because of people's ignorance, we had to resort to putting editorial comments to that section. Now I see life as editor. Perhaps a screenshot of that name might quell the ignorant masses? 私はBluerfnです 18:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Correct, it is clearly pronounced AND also written "Basch fon Ronsenburg", not "Basch von Rosenburg." I recognize his name before that was even posted and after all, Basch's name is really "Basch fon Ronsenburg". Sjones23 00:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Change of '''fon''' to '''von'''

message: The article uses political science terms like city-state and kingdom incorrectly. As Square Enix itself uses these terms correctly in the game, I've corrected them. Archadia and Rozarria are empires  (it's Flash, so no direct link). Prior to the events in the game, they were both city-states. Dalmasca is a kingdom which control(s|led) at least two cities Rabanastre and Nalbina, multiple villages, and unsettled territory. Clearly, it is not a city-state. Jaybeeunix 21:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Political Science Terms 

message: I have a few questions. The ATB system used in most of the FF series and CTB used in FFX are not used in FFXII, right? The real-time battle system was used in FFXI and FFXII and will be used in FFXIII. What is the battle system all about? Is it real or turn-based? Sjones23 00:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle systems 

message: I have a few questions. Is October 31 Halloween? Was FFXII released on Halloween in North America? So, when will I help anyone on the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sjones23 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I'd like to put this GA nominee on hold. It needs extensive pruning of game-guidish material, and contains second person perspective. Please remedy these changes, then come back. bibliomaniac15 01:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll give the article a good sweep today or tomorrow. — Deckiller 12:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:GA 

message: I just really need to point out that the first paragraph of the 'Development' section of the article uses the word 'veteran' eleven times. It's really irritating to read. Wtstar 16:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development section 

message: Great write up on the story section! But I think we need to do some rewrite, to adjust length, grammar, references, and check for needless bits of the story, OR and fancruft. 私はBluerです 22:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I volunteer to do so! It'll be ready in two days, God willing! 私はBluerです 06:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the pointers. 私はBluerです 13:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I have finished rewriting the summary of the story. Though it ails me somewhat, editors may correct any mistakes there. And we are in need of relevant accompanying pictures. 私はBluerです 07:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story section 

message: Don't have time to edit at the moment, but wanted to point out that under the "Battle System" heading the following passage is confusing "When any current party member is knocked out, the player may substitute him or her with one of the other inactive characters." I understand what the writer is trying to say, that you can sub out for a knocked out member, but that could also be read that this is the ONLY time you may switch out a member. The only time you can NOT switch out a member is when they are being targeted... including targeted with an allied or self ability. I think there are certain status effects which prevent subing also. Thanks for hearing me out, trying to add constructive thought. Inseeisyou 21:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This part a tad confusing 

message: Um, I don't know anything about how to edit, but yesterday I had to fix the article.  Somebody put the same annoying phrase in about 500 times in a row (check out the history, it was on the 27th).  I'm not experienced, so can someone check over the article to make sure I didn't miss anything/mess it up?  Thanks.
Chrisalbro 23:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure if you missed anything, it's been fixed by now- this is a very trafficked article. For future reference, you can easily revert something by going to the page's history (at the top of the page), finding and clicking the revision before the vandalism, and then editting that revision (it'll warn you that you're editting an old one) and save it. That way, you don't miss anything! :) Sarrandúin [ Talk + Contribs ] 01:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm not experienced, but still...