Talk:Mont-Saint-Michel

message: I notice the comment about replacing the causeway with a ferry. I cannot discover any information about this... though I have been able to find information about making it a bridge to stop the silting up problems. Can anyone back this up? User_talk:Renata you made the point - do you have a weblink for this proposal? CustardJack
:It may be a problem with a translation of the word navette which means shuttle, but also frequently refers to ferries. The official site of the désensablement project is here: English version. Man vyi 06:45, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a diplomatic question whereby the region of Brittany claims the territory as per a territorial dispute between states. It's also not even to be compared with the "claim" to Loire-Atlantique. I think the folkloric nature of the rival claims is adequately dealt with for encyclopaedic purposes futher down, although perhaps more detail on the vagaries of the course of the Couesnon would be useful, but should probably go in a Couesnon article. (Disclaimer: I'm a Norman ;-) and therefore not disinterested)  Man vyi 18:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ferry

message: It surprises me that nowhere in thisarticle does it mention the height of the island. Is it 30m, 50m or 100m? --Mark J 14:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The appropriate thing to do in such cases is to determine the information and add it -- that's what Wikipedia is all about.  I've done so. -- Jibal 09:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Height?

message: The picture looks almost exactly like a 1960s photo of the Mont.  Are we sure it isnt the same one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spwicy (talk • contribs) .
:Isn't MSM one of those places where everybody takes the famous shot? Another example is the Marin Headlands where everyone stands on the hill and shoots the view looking towards the Golden Gate Bridge with the San Francisco business district in the bacground. Only the varying fog lets you realize that it isn't the exact same photograph used by thousands of people. ;-)
:Atlant 19:15, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Just thought it might be useful to have a map showing where it is... I'll see if I can find one. Do you think one should be added? 71.71.198.236 23:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  a map, perhaps? 

message: I seem to recall a tour guide telling me that large parts of many buildings were almost completely destroyed in the second world war, and that much of the buildings that we see today are in fact modern replacements done in a sympathetic style. Is this a false memory, or can anyone provide sources? Andrew Oakley 13:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're probably thinking of nearby St. Malo. -- Jibal 03:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I know about the rebuilding of the walled town of St Malo (lovely town, try Bar Absinthe!). I specifically recall hearing a tour guide say that "la salle des hôtes" room in Mt St Michel was the only original room unaffected by the bombing, which did not need rebuilding. Andrew Oakley 11:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Mont-Saint-Michel was not destroyed at all. Nothing !Nortmannus (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: World War II Damage and Rebuilding

message: I replaced the image titled Mont-Saint-Michel-2004.jpg with a very similar picture but without the color issues. I hope no one minds. Please leave me a message if you do. Janet13 02:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly a nice picture, thanks! But I've rearranged the pics, partly to put a view of the whole Mont at the top. With an expanded gallery, the photo with the sheep is now nearer the mention of the sheep in the text. Man vyi 05:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hiya, I don't see a pic with sheep near mention of sheep in the text. And I can put up another picture with a more complete view of Mont St Michel (I just cut off a little bit of the left side of MSM on the pic I uploaded)... the current opening pic has color/fading issues that I find a bit off-putting as a lead photo). Thoughts? Janet13 20:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, the page just refreshed. Wonder why it took so long. Janet13 20:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replacement of first image 

message: What is the source of revenue/funding/economy for Mont Saint-Michel? Naturally I assume tourism and wealthy patrons are key, but I wish there was some specific information on that. I'm sure there's a mini-economy operating there. What is the closest economic center to the island? ~ Rollo44 03:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than the Catholic church, I'm sure the main funding stream is rent from tourist shops/restaurants and parking fees from visitors. Unfortunately I can't cite this, that's just from a personal guess as someone who has visited the place dozens of times, so I won't update the article. The largest nearby city is the regional capital Rennes (pop. 200,000; 80km/50 miles away). It is also within a 45 minutes drive of three major English Channel ports, St Malo, Cherbourg and Caen, St Malo being the closest at only 40km/25 miles. Despite being a Catholic centre, it is very popular with English tourists.  As an English tourist myself, it seems very commercialised (holy water in bottles the shape of the mountain, Virgin Mary pencil cases, eleven knuckle-bones of Christ etc). Andrew Oakley 17:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funding/Economy 

message: On May 6, this material (possibly among other material) disappeared: "Mont Saint-Michel is located in Normandy in the department of Manche. Its name comes from a small island, a granitic outgrowth approaching 960 meters in circumference that reaches 92 meters above sea level, dedicated to archangel Michael. The extraordinary architecture of Mont Saint-Michel and its bay make it the most visited tourist attraction in Normandy and the third in France (after the Eiffel tower and the palace of Versailles), with some 200,000 visitors each year. Classified as a historic building in 1874, the site has been a UNESCO World Heritage Site since 1979. The church is crowned by a gold statue of St. Michael. which was sculpted by Emmanuel Frémiet, reaching a height of 155 metres (510 feet) above sea level. 48°38′10.05″N, 1°30′40.9500″W."
While some of that material remains, scattered throughout the page, much does not. -- Jibal 03:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonymous editors removing material with no discussion and no edit summary 

message: I notice that there is obviously missing text under the header "Tidal Island". Unfortunately, I'm not qualified to make corrections.
Ve2dc (talk) 12:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text has been deleted. 

message: I propose that this page be moved to Le Mont-Saint-Michel (the correct name of the commune according to the INSEE Web site), and that this become a redirect to that page, rather than the reverse. Ksnow (talk) 17:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that this is the best approach.  This article is about a different subject matter from the actual commune, and the name Mont Saint-Michel, I would suggest, is well-known.  Maybe there should be another article called Le Mont-Saint-Michel (commune) or something similar to distinguish the two different subject matters.  Kiwipete (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move of this page

message: I think the article should say who the 41 people are that live there. Are they monks? I can't tell if this place is a monastery or something else.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.85.43 (talk) 14:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who lives there? 

message: Can You Please stop editing this page, stating that Heartcatch Precure! The Movie was also set in Mont Saint-Michel where The Pretty Cures defeat Baron Salamander?!
because, Everyone knows that Mont Saint-Michel was a Realistic City in France!!! >:(  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ONS3Tnow (talk • contribs) 19:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't want to Start an Edit war, but... 

message: Have just corrected the Heraldry section by translating from.http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Mont-Saint-Michel 86.26.254.183 (talk) 16:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heraldry 

message: There should be some content on the project to restore the bay at Mont Saint-Michel.  As of April 2012 vehicles can no longer park along the causeway.  Instead there is a new lot 2 km from the island and tourists can either walk from there or take a free shuttle.  In 2014 pedestrians and shuttles will travel on a new bridge instead of the causeway.  In 2015 the old causeway will be dismantled and Mont Saint-Michel will once again be an island. See http://www.projetmontsaintmichel.fr/en/why_act/objectives.html and http://www.accueilmontsaintmichel.com/change/en. 68.163.165.253 (talk) 23:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoration of the Bay 

message: I could not find any history of what monastic order or orders have lived at Mont Saint-Michel which was my main reason for looking it up on Wikipedia, does anyone know? I also noticed that someone have mentioned this same thing in 2010, thanks. Mickey 26/02/2013  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.201.234 (talk) 09:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the abbey's French web site (Histoire du Mont-Saint-Michel), it was founded as a Benedictine abbey in 966, transformed into a prison 1791-1864.  A restoration was begun in 1874, and it remains a Benedictine monastery since 1886. --Fama Clamosa (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is now a wikipedia article about the Mont Saint Michel Abbey that talks about the religious history of the place. The article needs a lot more to be of good value but it's a start. Nodar95 (talk) 22:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  monastic order? 

message: Its very small, I don't want to live there.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.56.63.128 (talk) 09:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Le Mont-Saint Michel 

message: An SPA has been repeatedly adding a non-noteworthy link to this section (a generic bloglike site at http://www.listofwonders.com ); but not only does this not really add anything, I can't see that most of the rest of the links do either. The Official site obviously belongs, and perhaps the INSEE population statistics (which could do with a little explaining, as it is in French). I haven't investigated much, but there must surely be 100s if not 1000s of blog articles on "My visit to MSM", which do not merit a link. So I suggest the rest should be removed. Any other suggestions? Imaginatorium (talk) 12:38, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: 97 hectares seems a bit high - on maps, the island looks like it is at most 300 metres across, and thus I'd estimate it as 6 hectares.  The internet disagrees (16-fold) so maybe I've misunderstood, like perhaps the area is measured at low tide or something.  I'd edit it myself, but (i) I'm not that confident, and (ii) five minutes with Google hasn't come up with a definitive alternative, other than various travel guides stating "Massive walls measuring more than half a mile in circumference surround one of Europe's great attractions" which would tend to support my estimate.
Thank you and good luck.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.139.102 (talk) 10:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been raised before. I guess that the "area" given is the area of the commune, which includes a chunk of the surrounding marsh, and even perhaps some mudflats. A bit of grinding around the french sources would probably sort it out. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:46, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area? 

message: This may be useful information to add to the article, but I am not sure where.
March 21 2015 18 year High Tide surrounding Mont Saint-Michel with water.
Explanation and photograph:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/explained-the-supertide-that-swallowed-a-french-abbey1/
Jcardazzi (talk) 11:58, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  18 year High Tide 

message: Back in 2008 someone briefly suggested this should be moved to Le Mont-Saint-Michel, since this is the formal name (according to fr:WP) of the commune -- but (rightly, IMO) this did not happen, since the article is really about the geographic feature, rather than the French administrative division. However, currently the lead opens with Le Mont-Saint-Michel, which is inconsistent with the rest of the article. Before changing this, I would like to check if there has been discussion I have missed. Note that fr:WP has separate articles :fr:Le Mont-Saint-Michel and :fr:Mont Saint-Michel (note the different hyphenation, as well as the definite article!). I suggest the lead should refer to the name as in the title, and there should be a brief note about the slightly different name of the commune. Any opinions? Imaginatorium (talk) 07:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title, and commune name 

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message: This might be a useful source for some of the questions about the economy, government, and other things:  http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/massive-controversial-attempt-preserve-one-worlds-most-iconic-islands-180951441/ Cloveapple (talk) 23:43, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: No! It's in Normandy! Everyone thinks of it as French territory, however, it isn't!!! --Fixwizard (talk) 17:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how to break this to you, but Normandy has been French territory since 1204, with a brief seizure by the English. Ogress 17:49, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:   Is Mont Saint Michel Really In France?  

message: How can this be 0.97 km², the island is only about a quarter km in diameter? The area is off by at least a factor of ten. In the St Michael's Mount article, it is claimed that St Michael's Mount is smaller, but it is in fact bigger, not smaller! The measurement (allegedly "French Land Register data") must either include areas not part of the mount, or the two islands are measured differently. It cannot possibly be the geographical area of the mount itself. 
Edit: sorry, I didn't see the comment above. Still, it's a pointless measurement, which leads to the wrong assumption that St Michael's Mount is smaller, obviously based on this "administrative area" or whatever it is, which has nothing to do with the size of the actual islet.
2.108.158.80 (talk) 11:45, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There's somehow now a link below this to the French article. It clearly states that the island itself is 7ha, which is 0.07 km². That is the area of the mount itself, relevant when comparing with the British mount (for example). Both measures should be included in the article, because in the article it is written as if the 0.97 km² is the area of the island. The commune itself is much bigger than 0.97 km², that number isn't even in the French article at all, that article says it's 387ha. There are two Mont Saint Michel articles in French, one about the commune (Le_Mont-Saint-Michel) and one about the mont (Mont_Saint-Michel). In the article about the mont, there's only one size mentioned, 7ha.  Edit: it just dawned on me that 9 is awfully close to 0 on a keyboard. It is curious that the number is 0.97 km², when the real size in 0.07 km². I suspect that it could be a simple misprint. 2.108.158.80 (talk) 15:07, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I have updated this to 4.00 square kilometres, as I suspect the 29 population figure refers to the commune as a whole, too, and it makes sense to be consistent. Squajar (talk) 15:45, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size seems wrong 

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message: Are visitors allowed? When is the best time to visit? How much does it cost to visit? How far drive to the nearest town? 68.3.235.60 (talk) 23:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visitors 

message: I need pictures of the buildings. Are there restaurants? Are there hotels? Are there some kinds of bigger buildings? I want to know. 2A00:1D50:3:0:90A9:3530:1FC1:62FD (talk) 07:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buildings 

message: When did depictions of Mont St Michel first appear in print/paintings/drawings/early film and early photography? 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:C599:16AB:8915:7F65 (talk) 23:25, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest known likenesses of Mont St Michel? 

message: Should be added that the 1990 movie Mindwalk is set in its majority in M-S-M 77.124.169.59 (talk) 18:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture: Cinema