Talk:Business model

message: The Examples section is far too long and poorly formatted. Since every example is linked, I would suggest removing the descriptions to have a simple bullet point list. Ajr1990 (talk) 11:09, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples section is far too long 

message: The descriptions of the frameworks mentioned are vague and sometimes more or less marketing speak. I suggest to rewrite the bullet points to actually summarize the frameworks or (failing that) remove the bullet points and just link each framework with no further explanations. LarsHolmberg (talk) 07:57, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frameworks section is problematic 

message: As I noticed article is dealing with monetization (revenue model) and business model structure issues (set of activites). However, this view is 10 years old by now. The emerging three views are given after a great deal of aggregation in the work called "The Business Model: Thoeretical Roots, Recent Developments, and Future Research" Zott et al. 2010. They are - E-business, Strategy&Organization, and Innovation and Tech.
I personally started examination of the topic a month ago with this article and now I see that the article requires 90% revision.
Unsigned by 109.188.237.37 23:27, 6 September 2010
:Most of us are no expert in this field, and little Wikipedia article are completely up to date. But on the other hand this article should explain more than the contemporary view on business models. 
:If you want to add a specific framework, for example:
:* the generalization of two types of business models: monetization (revenue model) and business model structure issues (set of activites). 
:* or three types of business models: E-business, Strategy&Organization, and Innovation and Tech.
:you have to be aware that this not generally accepted and works only in specific field. I however thing it is interesting to investigate if this can be added to the article. Are you a member of the Business Model Innovation Hub? I could raise this question there as well..!? -- Mdd (talk) 15:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated Article 

message: Thanks for the new intro, much better.
Thinkstorm (talk) 18:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: I just revjited the article and saw some inconsistencies at the beginning:
* The previous version states that a a business model describes a "Profit-Producing System", which is not necessarily the case. A non-for-profit and not-for-profit organization still has a business model without making profit. There are lots of other organizations that have a business model and actually make a loss.  For exactly that reason an earlier version broadly said that it is "a framework of creating value", with the term of "value" being very vague - and people might have a different perception of values, like health environment, more money, less clutter, no loss, etc. I know that Osterwalder also mentions profit in his slidedeck at http://business-model-design.blogspot.com/2006/11/business-model-template-designing-your.html. I simply wouldn't follow that.
* The previous version also stated that ih has to have "an important degree of independence from the other systems within an enterprise". First of all, the article never comes back to that statement. Hence my disbelief. I don't see why it has to be independent: I'm seeing a lot of combined business models that are not independent. Maybe such a "cluster" of business models could in fact be seen as a single business model, but I just don't see enough scientific proof for that within the current article. Second, the introduction clearly said "formal and informal", because some business models are rather informal and hence do not have an "important degree of independence".
* I omitted the "widely" within the next sentence - no additional value.
* the previous version said "description", but not description of what. I re-instated the thought that the framework describes, stands for, or represents business mechanics. As a compromise to the above mentioned independence degree, I now introduced "core aspects of a business". The previous version was also misleading, as the "..., including purpose, ..." part was meant to be an example for informal/extended descriptions beyond e.g. cash-in / cash-out.
Thinkstorm (talk) 06:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article revisted 

message: I reverted and edited a couple of changes:
* I feel that previous deletion of the abstract definition (... formal and informal description of ...) was hiding the fact that the nine building blocks are in fact a conceptualization and, moreover, a synthesization of many different ones.
* However, previous version did not have the actual citations of other conceptualizations this synthesis is based on --- maybe someone can go through the PDF and add them
* Though I can see why personal advertisement of opinions should be omitted, authorship and credit should be stated. I reinserted Alexander Osterwalder's thesis, this time as a footnote
* Not only are the building blocks important, but also their relationship towards each other in order to establish a real template.  I hence reverted the image deletion.
* Some minor cleanup of footnotes and references
Thinkstorm (talk) 07:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A couple of changes 

message: In your historical overview of business models I suggest you go back and include Cyrus McCormick and the McCormick Harvesting Machine Company. His business model of financing the purchase of harvesters to farmers on credit revolutionized that business. See for example Afred Chandler's "The Visisible Hand." Wedgwood's business model also deserve mentioning.  
:Soren Bisgaard
:Eugene M. Isenberg Professor of Technology Management
:Eugene M. Isenberg School of Management
:University of Massachusetts-Amherst
::I am not familiar with the McCormick model. Please add a sentence or two to the article. If you have time, an article on it would be great. mydogategodshat 22:35, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical overview 

message: Would the loss leader business model fall in with the razors and blades business model? Essentially they are the same thing correct? 8:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loss leader business model 

message: In talking with a couple other businesses in my industry, I have noticed that "Virtual" businesses are becoming more visible on the internet.  I'm merely here researching business models to begin my own startup, so I don't know much about them, but from what I have gathered from those I've talked with, a Virtual Business is a collection of individuals that have incorporated, but have no common building for which meetings and daily normal business is conducted. Most commonly, they converse via email and cell phone. Wouldn't it make sense that the "Virtual Business Model" should be in your list. I also suggest losing the Online business model as well, since it only redirects to a definition of "Online". CertGuard (talk) 12:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virtual Business Model 

message: I just rearranged the article, see here. Hereby I moved the "Single reference model"-example Osterwalder is given into the exmple section. This represents just one particular vision on business models, and is not a general intro into all (existing) types of business models. -- Mdd (talk) 00:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I changed the title some more to the more general term "business model design template", and made it a separate chapter. -- Mdd (talk) 01:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rearrangement 

message: I have removed the text about the Environment-Strategy-Structure-Operations Business Model, see here for two reasons. 
* First, I have found  no evidence of it's existence on line. 
* And second, there seem to be a copyright issue with the image used. The uploader is not the original creator. In this case a OTRS verification on Wikicommons should be made. 
I also think that ESSO business model, or any other model mentioned here, should first have an own Wikipedia article before it is mentioned here. This article wants to give an overview of important items, and not a listing of all new business models. -- Mdd (talk) 00:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environment-Strategy-Structure-Operations Business Model 

message: Yesterday I moved part of the Business Model Canvas section to the Business Model Canvas article, see here
Today, I trimmed this section for a second time, see here. -- Mdd (talk) 23:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved part of Business Model Canvas section to the [[Business Model Canvas]] article 

message: I think the article should be expanded to include more about how, when and why business models fail.  The music industry and other industries affected by disruptive technology should probably be outlined. - Shiftchange (talk) 09:04, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failures and examples 

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message: A Google Ngram search shows that the term started to grow fast around 1998. I suggest that the history section focus on describing what happened in the late 1990s. There must be some books or maybe websites that introduced the term. The current section describes a few articles from the 2010s, which are not milestones in the development of the concept - at least not looking at citation data. I also think it would be good to distinguish between the history of the term itself and the history of companies using what today could be called business model  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.252.202.240 (talk) 08:36, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History