Talk:Light rail in North America

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This article is trash and plagued with inconsistencies and factual errors. It needs a major overhaul or rewrite. Much of the info belongs in the Tram article. Saboteurest (talk) 20:13, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, no, we've been over this – "light rail" encompasses both modern light rail and tram/streetcars. This is a general overview article. It's fine. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh this is a general overview article, not an encyclopedia? My mistake. You're right, it's "fine". Saboteurest (talk) 22:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, if streetcar/trams are light rail than why have two separate articles? I will propose a merger. Saboteurest (talk) 22:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

text: But you're the strongest proponent that streetcars are light rail. Now you're saying they are different? Saboteurest (talk) 17:31, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've explained elsewhere on this Talk page why streetcars are included here in the discussions here, so I will not rehash that. That doesn't mean that the focus and scope of the two articles isn't different, because it is. A merger of these two articles is both a bad idea, and unnecessary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

text: Remember that Wikipedia policy is that consensus should not be based upon number of votes, but upon policy-related points made by editors. No policy-related points have been made by keeping the articles separate. You cannot claim that streetcars are light rail in one instance, then in another instance that streetcars are entirely different and not light rail and when it suits you. Saboteurest (talk) 00:01, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A note listed for the San Francisco cable car on the streetcar article: "It is debatable whether this system truly qualifies as "light rail" (or as a true "transit" system either), but it is included in the table anyway for completeness." If you don't even know what it is, why are the articles split? (The short answer is that the cable car qualifies as neither.) Cards84664 (talk) 12:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

text: I one hundred percent support a split. Saboteurest (talk) 16:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Earlier in this discussion you were all for a merger. What's changed your mind? - Morphenniel (talk) 16:34, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I was originally suggesting separating the streetcar info as the American Public Transportation Association (APTA) and other agencies defines them as different systems. A few editors argued (against referenced material while providing none to support their claims) that they are the same. So I suggested the merger as a compromise. Saboteurest (talk) 21:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

text:  Yes, the very hostile 62.229 IP's seemed likely to be socks of Saboteurest, and thus likely of UrbanNerd then... Based on all of this, the merger tag should probably be removed from this from the article, as it was clearly added in bad faith. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully an admin can comment on the appropriateness of the proposed removal, unless a consensus is achieved quickly by other editors to remove. Hwy43 (talk) 05:03, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is trash 

message: Many editors feel that streetcars/trams should be included in this article despite being different systems. Therefor this article should be merged with Streetcars in North America if they are in fact the same as is being claimed. The alternative being taking the streetcar/tram information from this article and moving it to the Streetcars in North America article. Saboteurest (talk) 21:15, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: But you're the strongest proponent that streetcars are light rail. Now you're saying they are different? Saboteurest (talk) 17:31, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've explained elsewhere on this Talk page why streetcars are included here in the discussions here, so I will not rehash that. That doesn't mean that the focus and scope of the two articles isn't different, because it is. A merger of these two articles is both a bad idea, and unnecessary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

text: Remember that Wikipedia policy is that consensus should not be based upon number of votes, but upon policy-related points made by editors. No policy-related points have been made by keeping the articles separate. You cannot claim that streetcars are light rail in one instance, then in another instance that streetcars are entirely different and not light rail and when it suits you. Saboteurest (talk) 00:01, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A note listed for the San Francisco cable car on the streetcar article: "It is debatable whether this system truly qualifies as "light rail" (or as a true "transit" system either), but it is included in the table anyway for completeness." If you don't even know what it is, why are the articles split? (The short answer is that the cable car qualifies as neither.) Cards84664 (talk) 12:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

text: I one hundred percent support a split. Saboteurest (talk) 16:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Earlier in this discussion you were all for a merger. What's changed your mind? - Morphenniel (talk) 16:34, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I was originally suggesting separating the streetcar info as the American Public Transportation Association (APTA) and other agencies defines them as different systems. A few editors argued (against referenced material while providing none to support their claims) that they are the same. So I suggested the merger as a compromise. Saboteurest (talk) 21:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

text:  Yes, the very hostile 62.229 IP's seemed likely to be socks of Saboteurest, and thus likely of UrbanNerd then... Based on all of this, the merger tag should probably be removed from this from the article, as it was clearly added in bad faith. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully an admin can comment on the appropriateness of the proposed removal, unless a consensus is achieved quickly by other editors to remove. Hwy43 (talk) 05:03, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal