Talk:Sideways

message: I'm saw the movie, and I have yet to find any comedy in this movie. How was this funny? I know it was labeled under "Comedy" yet I am unable to find any. Can anyone highlight any lines that were supposed to be funny?
:Sideways is one of my top five favorite all times movies, and there's plenty of comedic elements in it for me. The whole tone is very resonant with my personality and sense of comedy. If you don't get it, you don't get it. Obviously a lot of people "got it." What could anyone say to you? If you don't like it, move along. Chocolate vs vanilla, etc. Nobody will judge you. :)
Wouldn't one of the most pure comedy scenes in film be **A LITTLE SPOILER WARNING** Jack's second girl, and how they picked up back Jack's wallet? I think that the film was very funny, in a very warm and at the same time very childish way (altough I do appreciate the drama higher than the comedy in this film).
:SPOILER WARNING! (I'll put my text in small markup and try to remain vague as I would hate to spoil anyone's enjoyment of this marvellous film) - There's a lot of comedy in the film, much of it nicely understated (do not expect American Pie).1. Jack's chewing gum. 2. The "car accident". 3. The comment on Merlot (which even as someone entirely unknowledgeable about wine I enjoyed for its sheer vehemence). 4. Early in the film at the gathering, the guy's comment on fiction.  But it's primarily comedy of the gentlest nature and, like the previous contributor, I wouldn't recommend this on the basis of it being a comedy, just a very beautiful, emotional film. I felt it was the sort of film you'd more usually expect from Europe. I'd recommend it to anyone; one of my favourite films of the last 5 years and I hope to buy it for people as a present on DVD if I can afford to. --bodnotbod 23:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No Comedy?

message: This is a superficial, high school-level analysis that reads into something that the movie does really cover. The light and dark themes are accidental, if anything. I would think that a discussion of midlife disappointment, the nature of hope, loss of love/awakening of love, and the use of wine as a symbol for life would be better.
>>Response:  I think you meant to say "...that the movie doesn't really cover."  However, if you watch the movie with the DVD commentary turned on, both Paul Giamatti and Thomas Haden Church make reference to the light and dark theme, specifically referring to the cake-tasting scene as both a metaphor and foreshadowing of events to come.  I would definitely encourage you to elaborate and expand on the themes you have mentioned.  Jcreid0098 22:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, unfortunately it's original research, i'll remove it. Slydevil 22:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Themes 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Sideways DVD cover.jpg

message: First off...Deep breath everyone! Now a large issue that I have is the lack of reliable sources and referencing for this section. I see that Copyvio is no longer an issue but imdb is certainly not up to snuff as a reliable source-especially for trivia. If any trivia is kept it should be solidly grounded with a reliable source-apart from original research of watching the movie. If the tidbit is not notable enough to be written about in an independent mainstream source then it really is not of much merit and worth to the encyclopedia article.AgneCheese/Wine 23:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia section

message: Another user has been removing the trivia from the article. While I agree that the trivia section should go, some of this information can (and should) be salvaged and incorporated into the text of the article along with a reliable source. So here is the list. As we find sources (apart from the WP:OR of just watching the Special features!) we can readd it to article in a body of text that is appropriate. AgneCheese/Wine 21:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia's guidelines on Trivia sections, Trivia sections "should not be categorically removed". Over time, as Wikipedia expands and more reliable sources become available over the internet, the elements in the Sideways trivia section will ultimately be integrated into the article. Until that time, wholesale deletion is neither warranted nor encouraged by Wikipedia guidelines. Believe me, I am no fan of endless trivia sections with utterly tangential material. In this case, however, the trivia material is directly relevant to the film. It does not detract from the article in any way. Luigibob: please note that you should discuss major changes to articles on the talk page before implementing them. I also encourage you to  only debate the article's content - me and my prior contributions are irrelevant. Comments such as "you are no big time" detract from your credibility. --Jester7777 (talk) 02:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it is still unreferenced OR and I tagged it as unreferenced. The "I saw it on Special Features" doesn't hold up to our WP:V and WP:OR policy. Plus, as I noted in my edit summary, this also plays a long role in helping to establish which factoids are notable and encyclopedic and which ones are trivial cruft. If a particular tidbit is not notable enough to be written about by independent, third party sources then it really isn't notable enough for an encyclopedic article about the topic. AgneCheese/Wine 05:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed trivia

message: I'm looking for a source of this piece of trivia:
Throughout the film, Miles speaks fondly of the red wine varietal Pinot Noir. Following the movie's release, Pinot Noir sales in the U.S. increased by more than 20 percent over the 2004-05 Christmas/New Year period, in comparison to the previous year's holiday season. A similar trend occurred in British wine outlets. On the other hand, sales of Merlot dropped after the film's release, presumably due to Miles' disparaging remarks about the varietal in the movie.
It was added back in 2005  by an unregistered user. While I'm pretty sure this is true, a source would be great.
Anybody?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Callesen (talk • contribs) 09:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I remember when the anon added that trivia.  From what I recall, it's all true, and was covered in a number of newspaper/magazine/web articles.  I'll help you look for the info.  Thanks for bringing this up for discussion.  —Viriditas | Talk 09:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. I'm impressed! :) Thanks for looking into this - and so rapidly too. I'm new to this so what happens now? Am I supposed to update the article or will you? —Calle 12:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's your baby, so you are free to do with it as you wish.  Also, consider that this material rises above and beyond simple trivia, and can be incorporated into the body of the article in a new section.  I will be around to help if you need me. —Viriditas | Talk 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source of information 

message: Most of the following was revealed in the Sideways DVD special features:
* Director Alexander Payne created the wine list for the film, notably the restaurant scene in Los Olivos.
* George Clooney unsuccessfully campaigned for the part of Jack. Part of Payne's reasoning for casting actors who were not as well known, such as Giamatti and Church, was to prove to movie studios that not all successful movies are star-driven.
* Near the end of the movie, a student is reading aloud from the book A Separate Peace by John Knowles. The particular portion being read is Gene describing his emotions upon his friend Phinneas' death. This scene was filmed at Cabrillo High School in Vandenberg Village.
* Film dialogue from Henry Fonda's famous "I'll be there" speech from The Grapes of Wrath can be heard in Miles and Jack's hotel room following an abysmal day for the two.
* Throughout the film, Miles speaks fondly of the red wine varietal Pinot Noir. Following the movie's release, Pinot Noir sales in the U.S. increased by more than 20 percent over the 2004-05 Christmas/New Year period, in comparison to the previous year's holiday season. A similar trend occurred in British wine outlets. On the other hand, sales of Merlot dropped after the film's release, presumably due to Miles' disparaging remarks about the varietal in the movie. Ironically, Miles' treasured bottle of wine, a 1961 Château Cheval Blanc, is a blend of Merlot and Cabernet Franc, another varietal that Miles claims to dislike in the movie.
::This is a classic and egregious example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. The 2003 widely watched TV movie about Martha Stewart  also disparaged Merlot in a famous scene - yet no one alleges that that film depressed sales of the wine. (as above - Sensei48 (talk) 17:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Having viewed the film, it is true, the speedometer was at 'zero' in the shot during the "crossword puzzle scene." I wonder if there are any other errors within the film like this. --DavidD4scnrt (talk) 23:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuity Error 

message: I haven't read/seen this at all (which is part of the reason I ended up looking at this page, to see what the big deal was), but I have a question about this sentence:
"Cheval Blanc is made from Cabernet Franc and Merlot grapes---two varietals which Miles disparages. This inconsistency with his love for Cheval Blanc is not explained."
Is it a mysterious inconsistency? Or is it irony? It sounds like it's meant as irony, although as I said, I don't know the story all that well. Just curious. 69.107.142.179 (talk) 10:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  inconsistancy 

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thread_title: [[WP:FOOD|WikiProject Food and drink]] Tagging

message: :Sideways (movie) → Sideways —  Sideways is the primary topic according to all incoming links to that name, and it does not require disambiguation. Viriditas (talk)
:Done. Garion96 (talk) 10:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Anyone know how French (or other Europeans) reacted to the film?  (I tried Google.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.157.157 (talk) 18:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  French critical reaction? 

message: Hey all. I'm on my iPhone so I thought I'd enter this here instead of trying to edit the actual sideways page.  I just watched the Japanese version and out of curiosity I was curious as to the budget of the film and it's Japanese box office results.  I found in one article the budget was 3 million. I found that number I believe in a new York times article on the Japanese remake.  And according to a search of the Japanese box office results 2009 sideways(Japanese version) made 1.5 million. If someone has the time to enter this info under the remake section the right way please go for it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.1.64 (talk) 03:37, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese version

message: According to the guideline at WP:PLOT, the plot section should be in balance with other material in the article. The largest section aside from the plot has three paragraphs. I propose cutting all the detail from the plot and greatly simplifying it until it consists only of three paragraphs. Binksternet (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I shortened the plot to three paragraphs. Of course, much of the film goes unmentioned, but that's the nature of what the guideline asks us to do with the plot section. Binksternet (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot section too long

message: *'The Sideways Effect:' How A Wine-Obsessed Film Reshaped The Industry
NPR article to reference. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 20:14, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPR article