Talk:Eilean Donan

message: The movie Entrapment was absolutely NOT filmed at Eilean Donan, it was filmed at Duart Castle on the Isle of Mull. This doesn't need a source! Just watch the film! And if you cannot tell the difference between Duart and Eilean Donan you have no business editing Wikipedia!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.33.167 (talk) 00:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Entrapment

message: The info on population is wrong. NO ONE has lived there as a permanent residence since the late 17th century! It was totally ruinous in the late 17th century. When the Spanish occupied it in 1719 it had no roof! If you doubt this then go to Edinburgh's national archive and view the 1714 survey of Eilean Donan conducted by Brigadere Petit. Eilean Donan     
is used infrequently today as a holiday home and it absolutely certainly has no permanent resident.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.39.50 (talk) 23:59, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This document  from the General Register Office, which is referenced in the article, states the population of the island as 1. If you can provide other references to confirm zero population please add them in, otherwise we have to stick with this as being verifiable.  Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 09:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Population?

message: What is the source for the idea that the castle was first built for defence against Viking attacks?
While there is no doubt the Vikings were an important influence on Scottish history, the Viking raids in the rest of Europe were over by the end of the 11th century. Granted, the Lords of the Isles were still around, but does it really make sense to talk about Viking raids in Scotland in the 13th century? I just don't know...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.65.233.187 (talk) 02:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, there's no source for that bit. I'll tag it. Hopefully someone will clear this up. Maybe 'vikings' should read something like 'Norwegians' or the 'kingdom of the isles'. At the time, Alexander II was trying to reign in the semi-independent islesmen. The CANMORE/RCAHMS webpage doesn't mention the reason why the castle was first constructed .--Celtus (talk) 08:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vikings?

message: The first image in the Gallery, labeled "The castle, seen from the west." seems to be the same image at Wiki Commons labeled "This view from north was made at high tide."  
See [].
It's difficult to judge from the image alone which is correct - it remains a lovely photo regardless. Amaling (talk) 18:11, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direction from which photo was taken 

message: Having driven past it more times than I care to remember, I can't believe it extends to 5 hectares: 0.5 hectares seems more likely. Have a look on the satellite view at Google Maps and see if you agree. 45ossington (talk) 08:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad you raised this, as 5ha seemed big to me when I put it in, though it is many years since I drove past the island. On the other hand, for as long as our only quoted reliable source says 5ha, I don't think we can have a choice but to go for what is verifiable, rather than what we believe to be true. I am afraid I cannot at present think where to go to find more reliable sources. Grafen (talk) 10:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems to me that [Place+of+Interest&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf] shows pretty clearly that 5 hectares is way out. I don't know whether a map is capable of counting as a reliable source (I would have hoped that it is) but, if it isn't, I would suggest it is better not to include ANY figure, rather than to include a figure which we know to be wrong. What do you think? 45ossington (talk) 13:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call removing the 5ha number. Looking at the map you linked to, I think 5ha might just be the area of land associated with the island at low tide, when it isn't really an island, with the 1ha being closer to the area of the island at high tide. Even if we could confirm that from some source, though, I am not sure how we would fit it in the infobox. Grafen (talk) 08:28, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Eilean Donan Castle, Scotland - Jan 2011.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on August 20, 2012. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2012-08-20. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! —howcheng  {chat} 01:35, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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message: The Resoration section reads "A curious distinction is that it has one of only two left-handed spiral staircases in a castle in Great Britain, as the reigning king at the time of building held a sword with his left hand". But throughout the period of restoration, the king was George V, and I can find no evidence that he was left-handed. However his son George VI was left-handed. I wonder if there is some confusion here? Maproom (talk) 08:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left-handed king 

message: According to the wikipedia article for the Clan MacLennan
"St. Adamans recorded [The Clan MacLennan] were occupying Glenshiel at an early date and were in residence at Eilean Donnan Castle before 1263."
also the Clan Logan Wikipedia article states that 
"Other sources on MacLennan, site that the clan was at Eilean Donan castle before 1263 and that the MacGillafinnens, or MacLennans, were titled Lords of Loch Erne, Tairg, and Muintir Peodachain."
I have no other information but I just thought perhaps this might be worth looking in to as I did not note any mention of the Clan Maclennan in the early history section of this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forkstale (talk • contribs) 05:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clan MacLennan 

message: Is there any reason why this article cannot be nominated for Wikipedia:GA status? Jamesx12345 (talk) 19:35, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nomination 

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message: 1. The article says "Eilean Donnain" and "Donnán of Eigg". The first is labeled as Scottish Gaelic but there is no information on the second. I am not an expert in Goidelic languages so it would be nice to clarify and explain the difference between Donnain and Donnán. I assume the first is modern Scottish Gaelic and the second is medieval Middle Irish.
I also noticed somebody (unsigned) requested the addition of the pronunciation (see above). That would be useful.
2. "King Magnus VI of Norway ceded the Hebrides to Scotland, and demanded that his kinsman Kenneth Mackenzie return the castle".
There is no link for Kenneth Mackenzie so it's not clear who he was historically (an explanation or a link would help).
3. The article says "the Earl allegedly apprehended Kenneth Mackenzie, 3rd of Kintail" and "Alexander died in about 1488 at a great age, and was succeeded by Kenneth Mackenzie, 7th of Kintail".
3rd and 7th what of Kintail?
4. "After this time, the castle was briefly occupied by the Earl of Balcarres and his wife".
Would this be after 1662?
5. The "Restoration and reuse" section should be split and the second paragraph should have its own title since it primarily talks about the castle in films.
6. "A tower house or keep was built against the curtain wall at the high point of the island, probably in the 14th century".
Would that be N, S, W or E? Adding that information would be good.
7. Who is/was John Gifford? I think it would help to clarify. I assume he is/was an architect.
8. The first and last image in the gallery, view from the south, are redundant. I suggest to keep just one.
ICE77 (talk) 21:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments and questions