Talk:United States Bicycle Route System

message: out of interest, why route 76 if there are only two in total!?
* It was most likely meant to be similar to the system of U.S. Routes, where odd routes run north-south from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and even numbered routes run east-west from Canada to Mexico. So U.S. Bicycle Route 1 makes sense as it runs close to U.S. Route 1. But U.S. Bicycle Route 76 runs pretty far north of U.S. Route 76, so it's most likely a holdout from the naming of the TransAmerica Bicycle Trail — the trail was established in 1976, so the route was probably named after the bicentennial year. A better number might be U.S. Bicycle Route 60 or so. —Rob (talk) 22:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: The most usefule addition to this article would be a map of the routes.  I tried checking some of the references and external links, but kept getting dead links.  I did find a good map of route 35 in Indiana at http://www.indianatrails.com/content/usbr35 but did not find a good national map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edknol (talk • contribs) 18:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a map. The OpenStreetMap wiki has links to a few websites that can generate cycle maps from OpenStreetMap data. See . Sizeofint (talk) 18:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay,  would prefer to have no map than slightly broad map. Do what thou wilt, but I only attempted to add a map because of my irritation at its absence as a reader. The text descriptions are fairly worthless to me as someone who had no prior knowledge of this subject. I'll leave it here for the curious. Someone with a better grasp of Overpass syntax than I have can generate a more specific one. Sizeofint (talk) 23:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That map isn't quite helpful though. It shows more than the specific system. That doesn't help a reader isolate the subject routes of this article. Imzadi 1979 →  02:41, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

text: The map was also not correct, as it shows more routes than currently exist. For example, I see three blue lines in North Carolina, while there is only one USBR route in the state. It was a good attempt, but any version would need have a level of accuracy. --WashuOtaku (talk) 03:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a link to the National Corridor Plan as maintained for AASHTO by the Adventure Cycling Association:  https://www.adventurecycling.org/corridorplan  Solid lines are designated routes, and dashed lines are corridors (roughly 50 miles wide) where routes could be designated.  This map is updated twice per year in sync with the AASHTO approvals of new routes.  If you go to this link:  https://www.adventurecycling.org/usbrsmaps  you can find RideWithGPS maps of every USBR in every state. ACAeditor (talk) 15:44, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map needed 

message: Is , which you added to this article, intended for U.S. Bicycle Routes? Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Standards#Route description seems to be geared towards road routes but specifically says to start from the route's official zero milepost. So far, USBRs only have dedicated mileposts to the extent that they travel along dedicated rights of way. Bike paths don't consistently number mileposts in one direction or another. In one case I'm familiar with, the mileposts arbitrarily switched from south–north to north–south when the trail was added to a larger trail system.
If we're to go by unsignposted mileages, the cue sheets and maps that have been submitted to AASHTO so far have been inconsistent, for example:
* North to south: 11 in New York, 21 in Kentucky, 21 in Georgia
* South to north: 7 in Vermont, 41 in Minnesota
* West to east: 36 in Indiana, 76 in Kansas
* East to west: 50 in Indiana, 50A in Ohio
 – Minh Nguyễn 💬 06:47, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The USBR system is being governed by the AASHTO, so imposing USRD standards isn't a stretch in my view. As USBRs generally do follow existing highways, which are almost all signed south–north and west–east in the U.S., I think we should look for consistency across articles rather than trying to guess based on DOT applications (not usually written with great care). SounderBruce 06:55, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. I'm pretty sure that some, like USBR 21, are intentionally north–south, but perhaps national consistency matters more. For the routes that do primarily travel on dedicated rights of way and are posted from north to south, such as USBR 21 in Ohio along the Ohio to Erie Trail or USBR 45 in Minnesota along the Mississippi River Trail, perhaps we can leave a note to the effect that Wikipedia is describing the route in the opposite direction as the mileposts. Minh Nguyễn 💬 07:03, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The route logs that DOTs submit to AASHTO are supposed to be east to west or north to south.  Sometimes this doesn't happen and to date AASHTO has not corrected those that don't follow that convention.  The Adventure Cycling RideWithGPS maps  (https://www.adventurecycling.org/usbrsmaps) are offered in both directions.  USBRs have not had mileposts or mileage markers of any kind, so the mileage in the RideWithGPS cue sheets are the only real reference beyond the route logs submitted by the DOTs.  Some of those route logs do not list cumulative mileage and occasionally contain distance errors when compared with OpenStreetMap or Google Maps. ACAeditor (talk) 22:23, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Directionality 

message: This  section needs to be rewritten in a south-to-north and west-to-east direction  to meet Wikipedia’s quality standards for U.S. road articles. Please improve this section if you can.
As of November 2022, there are 31 23 official parent routes in varying stages of completion. In areas where a specific route has not been approved by AASHTO, there is only a prioritized corridor. The 24 20 existing subsidiary and alternate routes are grouped with their one- or two-digit parents. Approved or signposted routes are located in the District of Columbia and 34 states: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wisconsin, and West Virginia. Ohio has the most of any state, with eight seven active routes total.  Ohio also has the most total distance (1,553 miles, 2,500 km).
I am the Adventure Cycling Association US Bicycle Route System Volunteer Coordinator. I am a volunteer with Adventure Cycling, have been working as a volunteer on the USBRS since 2004, and am not paid in any way by them or anyone else associated with the USBRS. I am a retiree and receive no income from any source other than pension, Social Security, and investments. I say this because I have been informed that I have a conflict of interest and therefore am not permitted to edit any pages associated with the USBRS. This despite the fact that I am actively involved with AASHTO, see all the USBR applications submitted by the DOTs, work directly with the DOTs in developing USBRS and in preparing their applications to AASHTO for USBR designation, and possess the historical documents associated with the USBRS and benefit in no way from providing this information to Wikipedia. ACAeditor (talk) 23:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, the following references have bad links (page not found, login required, etc.):  10, 24, 25, 26, 29, 33, 34, 38, 42, 44, 45, 47, 49, 51, 52, 54, 56 ACAeditor (talk) 22:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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