Talk:Peter Taaffe

message: Hi,
it seems that this page and the discussion has been edited by those who are trying to attack Taaffe rather than give a NPOV article. The biggest point of this is the talk about the decline of the CWI and the Socialist Party since the split between Woods and Taaffe. Even if this is true, I think the article should also point out the recent resurgence that the Socialist Party has had and the recent rapid increase members.
Also, should an article on Peter Taaffe have so much stuff on it about what Woods and co have done since the split? Shouldn't that be on a differnt page with its own article?
:Hi. I find myself very uncomfortable with the NPOV policy, anyway that's how this site works and if somebody comes here, he needs to follow the rules. I think that much material on the rival group both on this page and Ted Grant page (and in many other pages being related, too) should be cleaned away. Moreover, while myself convinced that the 1500 figure of SP membership doesn't really seem to be correct, the solution is not to wage an edit war about that number: the solution is to use the magic verb to claim, as somebody correctly did with the Socialist Appeal membership figure. If a group claims a true figure and another group doesn't, shame on the liars, the page will ridiculize them to everybody knowing the true situation while still preserving its informational value and correctness. MauroVan 16:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Mauro Trious 23:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some effrot made to re-balance along the lines of these points. The break was significant, in point of marxist theory, but it is not the only issue.Andysoh 21:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resurgence 

message: I find it a bit odd to refeer to Pakistan as a big "colonial" section of CWI, it's quite a sham. But keep it on if you like, the jokes on the people who wrote it, especially when it quite obviously is out of sync with reality. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marxistviking (talk • contribs) 16:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CWI Pakistan????? 

message: I've had to remove reference to Sean Matgamna's recollections. They are very detailed and valuable. However, the wikipedia biography of living persons guide is very clear: "Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced controversial (negative, positive, or just highly questionable) material about living persons should be removed." Matgamna makes clear that these are his recollections, which are largely (though not exclusively) by their very nature unsourced. He makes a great many controversial claims in sweeping acerbic terms, as well as a few personal and contradictory remarks about Taaffe either being very "intelligent" or being "very thick", which are out of place here. Andysoh 21:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Matgamna's recollections removed. 

message: Hi Philip, 
Here's my reasoning for my minor changes after your very helpful copy edit:
Re "Low Income": I think there are low income working class families and high income working class families, and all places inbetween. Working class people can be very well paid - take for instance train drivers in the UK - and working class communities are not necessarily agglomerates of low income people either. Working class people in the UK might even take offense to be told that "working class" and "low income" went hand in hand. I know that some people think that "working class" means unemployed or on benefits, but this is not the view shared by most: 
"Indeed, last year [2003] we found that 68% of the [UK] public agreed with the statement "At the end of the day, I'm working class and proud of it" - Mori .
In the period we are refering to - the 1960s - workers won substancial gains. But merseyside was particularly depressed. So I don't think it is a tautology.
Now use of the word "Trotskyist" is not as clear cut. Some, of course, claimed that the Militant were reformists, and not Trotskyist, partly because of its use of Labour movement / working class terminology rather than traditional Trotskyist terminology. I agree that Taaffe is a Trotskyist, but I put mention of it further down by a small margin, in the first section, in a context which should allow for less controversy. The Militant began to call itself the "Marxist voice of Labour and Youth" on its masthead - almost certainly under Taaffe's direction, as the editor, so to call it "Marxist" would be quite correct in this sense. Taaffe also terms himself a Marxist. However, Peter Taaffe also considers himself a Trotsktyist i.e. a Marxist of the Trotskyist tradition. The problem lies in the very wide range of Trotskyist trends, more than a few of which were considered by Taaffe to be 'ultra-left', so that, without some context, in my opinion, the term needs to be used, but used with care. 
Then, finally, we must take note of the wiki policy in regards to the biographies of living people, and observe sensitivity. Taaffe prefers to be described as a Marxist. For these reasons, whilst making the situation clear appropriately in the text, I've tried to compromise in this edit.
I hope this helps.
Andysoh 19:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  low income and trotskyist 

message: Can a section with criticisms be added? Especialy on his role on the destruction of the militant  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.169.108 (talk) 03:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: Please see merge suggection in Talk:Militant_tendency#Open_Turn. - Altenmann >t 02:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, it seems too minor to me at first glance - is the new page intended to be worthwhile? e.g. significantly more than a stub? Would involve some careful work. I mean, if there were already existing a full treatment of the issue, then the merge would be meaningful, it seems to me. Andysoh (talk) 21:18, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open Turn 

message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion|Request for Comments]] 

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