Talk:Caganer

message: Seriously? This is like vandalism! Someone needs to take the "joke" reasons down.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.102.164 (talk) 01:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The "kakkers" link points to a non-English version of Wikipedia. Is that okay?
Wikiwaterboy (talk) 20:40, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link okay? 

message: Any idea how long this tradition has been in existance? crazyeddie 22:11, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: DJKS 22:50, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Really old grandparents :) ... I'll update the article. 68.81.231.127 09:25, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  How long? 

message: These Catalans should be ashamed of themselves! 70.112.180.16 07:44, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, poop :p 68.81.231.127 09:25, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh, poop 

message: Nice work! We have an article barretina for what you spelled barratina. I linked and changed the spelling, but I am not sure which one is correct. Please use either spelling you think is correct. -- Chris 73 Talk 09:35, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks.  In Catalan "barretina" and "barratina" are pronounced exactly the same.  The correct spelling is "barretina."  So thanks for the correction!!
: DJKS 03:38, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barretina/Barratina 

message: While some may be humourous, the unverifiable speculative reasons given in the “Explanations” section constitute original research or synthesis and unreferenced hearsay. If there are humorous explanations, Wikipedia's role would be to factually report multiple notable publications of the explanation, with a full citation. 150.101.214.82 (talk) 12:40, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanations, unverifiable speculation 

message: No I did not.  Thank you Wikipedia. --NoPetrol 18:07, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did you know? 

message: I added two links and expanded a bit, but I also removed the embedded links (there was already a link under external links, and a new link I added confirmed 18c), and the following links because they seemed a bit unprofessional:
* Caganer page
* Our view of Spain
68.81.231.127 23:26, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed links 

message: How do you pronounce Caganer? And would it be patronising to include this at the beginning of the article? Palefire 03:03, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)
I'm an American currently living in Barcelona. When I first arrived here 3 years ago and saw my first caganer, I couldn't believe it was for real. But then as I began picking them out in just about every nativity scene I saw around the city, I saw that it was. There are even gift stores that sell limited edition, collection versions of famous people in the caganer pose. There are other variations as well...for example of the shepherd peeing.
As for the pronunciation: ka-ga-neh
--skyboy 00:02, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: This is one time I really wish that Wikipedia had Google Ads - because I kinda want to buy one these things for next years nativitiy scene. crazyeddie 20:48, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Google Ads

message: I can't help feeling a rather major reason for the Caganer has not been included. There was a brilliant article on ship-of-fools.com (since deleted, alas) explaining how the traditional view of the Nativity has become increasingly sanitised, both in presentation and in theology, and the consequent "denial of shit" ("shit" being understood both literally and metaphorically) radically undermines the truth of the Incarnation. So the Caganer is a symbol of the utterly, even grossly, physical aspect of the human condition in which God participates through the Incarnation. I'm not quite sure how to include this (though I might have a try, if no-one else does first). In the mean time, serious respect to whoever it was who made the "unintended" (?!) pun about an "a posteriori explanation" – I laughed so much I kept the neighbours awake. Vilĉjo 01:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for the Caganer 

message: Changed the expression "neighbour state of spain" to "the rest of Spain". Currently Catalunya forms part of the Kingdom of Spain, and therefore part of the Spanish state. The expression "neighbour state" implies the existence of a Catalan state. Whether one views the existence of a Catalan state as positive or negative, one would have to agree that it doesnt exist at the moment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.129.161.22 (talk) 19:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  neighbour state 

message: The article says there are German caganers, called "Choleramännchen", "Hinterlader." Being German, having never heard of such a tradition, I searched google and found: nothing. I want to say: Sources needed. Ben  T/C  18:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other countries 

message: Is "Caganer" a proper noun (i.e. one to be capitalized) or not?  The article itself is wildly inconsistent in this regard, and the sources appear to be as well.  I'm entirely torn in my own thinking in this regard.  The article should reflect consistent capitalization, though, at least in non-quoted material.  Any thoughts? - Julietdeltalima  (talk) 23:10, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: The article currently says this:
"[A] popular Catalan saying for use before a meal is menja bé, caga fort i no tinguis por a la mort! ("Eat well, shit a good deal and don't be afraid of death!")."
The Catalan word fort is a cognate with the English word force, the Spanish fuerte, and originally the Latin fortis. In this saying it is an adverb. The obvious English translation is "shit strongly", but that sounds a bit stilted to my native English-speaking ear. I would say "shit heartily" or "take a hearty shit" reflects the sentiment of the Catalan saying. As a side note, Catalan is not the only language with a saying that embraces eating, pooping, and mortality and symbols of vitality. The link between vitality and defecation used to be very strong in many European cultures, and the use of laxatives (called "cathartics" in English at the time) was felt to be very important to restore vitality in many disease states. Fluoborate (talk) 08:13, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small translation question - "fort" does not mean "a lot" 

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message: I removed the Dutch "possible translations". This figure isn't a thing in Dutch tradition, so I fail to see why it should have a "possible translation". Googling the terms, I only found a few forums where people linked to this Wikipedia page as proof of some sort.
Even the Dutch Wikipedia page uses the Spanish name, and a similar debate was held questioning the purpose of a Dutch translation.
"Kakker" is indeed a term in Dutch, but roughly translates to "posh" in a negative way. A direct connection seems dubious.
I won't claim there isn't one, but as it stands now, both the English and Dutch articles don't elaborate on that, or even cite any sources or dictionary entries.
All that it really amounted to was a (small) list of translations into other languages. If we start doing that without good reasons, we'll end up having lists like that on most articles.
Reviewing the German article, it also seems to be devoid of native terms for the figurines. I'll remove the entire section after posting this comment. It's my opinion that if the nátive article doesn't even bother to mention local names for foreign terms, the English article certainly doesn't need to include those. 87.209.236.59 (talk) 09:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "possible translations"