Talk:George Papandreou

message: ???  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.185.209.23 (talk) 10:48, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: [query]

message: *Talk:George Papandreou, junior
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from User talk:Optim:
How does the Greek media differentiate between the two George Papandreous? Using "junior" and "senior" as we've done? --Jiang 09:26, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't aware that the two George Papandreous spelled George differently in Greek. How can this be? Surely the name is Georgos since the first syllable is Γε, earth. Adam 00:32, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No it is not needed to change the current naming scheme. For Wikipedia with the current policy it is very fine to have George Papandreou, senior and George Papandreou, junior. I expressed my personal opinion on how an encyclopedia should be categorised, but I have no problem with the current Wikipedia policy. And for the C/K, as far as I know, English people regard K as foreign and they consider C as more English-like, so it is better to use C for now. I have also asked this question on IRC Wikipedia Channel and they told me that C is better usually, so I prefer it. Optim 01:47, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

text: I have no problem with this, and I think it may help so that we will not have to type ",junior" whenever we need to link to Papandreou. Agreed. Optim 04:59, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Aquarel, I agree with most of your rvt. Just one point, please explain why you reverted the bit about the Papandreou family as a dynasty. They have been in political power, from father to son, since the 1930s. We have, George Papandreou, Andreas Papandreou, George Papandreou, Andreas Papandreou (the youngest member of the dynasty and entering politics). This is what makes people refer to them either as, George I, Anderas II, George II, and Andreas II, or even Papandreou I, Papandreou II, Papandreou III and Papandreou IV. In America it happens all the time when the same name is transmited from father to son. 
:In fact when George Papandreou (II) took over the leadership of Pasok, one Greek TV commentator said, 'Here is Georgakis, who has become Georgos and will soon become Georgios'; in English it translates as 'Here is little George, who has become George and will soon become His Majesty George'. Politis 12:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dynasty

message: There are only two George Papandreou. It's better if redirect this article to junior and have a "see also" for the senior. The latter in Greek is Georgios so most people write Georgios Papandreou for him and not George. -- Magioladitis 12:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion for merge/modification

message: Clearly there exists no "George Andreas Papandreou". His name is George Papandreou only. His father's name was Andreas but that is completely irrelevant.--   Avg    01:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong article title

message: This article is becoming a publicity page for its subject. References considered unfavourable are being deleted. Politis (talk) 16:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Article becoming a PR job

message: I removed the following text from the article: "He is considered utterly responsible for the party's defeat in 2004 and he will probably lead the party to another defeat in 2011. His replacement is expected not after 2010". Obviously not NPOV.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.63.168 (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed POV statement 

message: Shouldn't this be moved to George Papandreou, Jr. - the correct format for relatives with the same name...?GiantSnowman 19:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For Greek names, the Jr or Sr is not used, so his name is simply "George Papandreou". The (junior) is there for disambiguation. Constantine   ✍  20:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, if the dynastic trend in Greek politics continues, we'll be forced to... :P Constantine   ✍  20:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: Here's a thought. Right after his election as PM (ie last time I checked here), the infobox clearly stated his having two nationalities: Greek and American (I assume the second jus soli). Now, the nationality information from the infobox is rather conspicuously missing. What's the deal with that? By the way, lemme just note, his having an American nationality is one of the few positive things about him in my oppinion :P I just wonder why the info was removed? Druworos (talk) 12:46, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously, is the guy stateless? There should be a nationality (or two) in the infobox for godssakes. Druworos (talk) 21:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Stateless it is, then. Druworos (talk) 20:32, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was very tempted to just add stateless to the infobox (for the lulz), but I eventually just added back the two nationalities originally listed. I hardly think they need to be referenced: he is evidently Greek as he holds elected office, and evidently American by being born on US soil (jus soli does that for ya). If someone cares to remove the American nationality, the burden of proof would of course be on them, to prove that Mr. Papandreou actually renounced his US nationality. Druworos (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm no jurist, but the quote above says "if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship." The intention has not been particularly demonstrated, as far as I know. I would presume that such things would be a matter of public record, so if one is really keen, one could try asking the actual US authorities. Now, if one were a jurist, and they were to state that in their expert oppinion, Mr. Papandreou has renounced his citizenship by mere fact of taking an oath of allegiance, even if he has not particularly demonstrated an intention to renounce his citizenship by doing so, that is all I would need. At any rate, I have no particular intent to prove his Americanness, it just struck me as odd that ALL nationality info had been removed (including Greek). So, at any rate, my own view is that unless someone qualified to make such a judgement actually judges that he renounced his citizenship automatically, and without displaying such an intention, or unless someone proves that he actually displayed such an intention, the info should stay in.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Druworos (talk • contribs) 18:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Probably it is true but it is not 100% certain. As such it is original research to include it in an encyclopedia which deals only in 100% verifiable facts  and not in speculation. When uncertain, especially in biographies of living people, we also have WP:BLP which clearly states that contentious or doubtful material must be removed. So I removed it until we get a reliable source which verifies the second nationality. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 23:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

text: What you are saying may be correct. But in the absence of a reliable source verifying this, it is just speculation and synthesis. Putting facts together, even if individually true, to reach a conclusion is exactly what WP:SYNTH is. If this fact is so obvious there should be a reliable source (WP:RS) out there which verifies it (WP:V). If not, we are engaging in original research WP:OR and synthesis. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 20:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  American national 

message: I remover the statement that
"Unlike other Greek male conscripts, he never had to carry out his obligatory service in the Greek military forces."
This is false. The truth is George Papandreou server his military service in 1978 - 1979. 
Source: http://www.espressonews.gr/default.asp?pid=79&catid=16&artID=684538  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.205.227.18 (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: military service

message: is it true, sources? --194.219.142.55 (talk) 23:46, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panousis said on his radio show he was called Jeffrey when he was growing up in America 

message: They have a common root. It's the English form of the word, it's not an English word that was taken and converted. --195.74.255.109 (talk) 03:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word is not Anglicized. This is insulting. 

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: The previous version of the article (and its page history) before Geórgios Papandréou was moved to this target can be found at Talk:George Papandreou/old. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attribution note 

message: Is the writing of "Γεώργιος" as "George" true?
Both may be from the same roots, (as many names from different languages) but when pronouncing there's no relation with each other.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.255.247.79 (talk) 09:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Writing Of The Name

message: The personal blog link is broken - will be removed if verified as not working.  Mikebar (talk) 21:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

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message: He ist also a member of the lobal Commission on Drug Policy http://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/Commission and the ony activ politician there  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.65.90.11 (talk) 14:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global Commission on Drug Policy 

message: How is the new government formation called? 
seems everyone edits differently on that.
shouldn't there be a separate page for that?
Trek qo (talk) 12:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As it doesn't exist, does it matter what you call it? When/if they announce it, then you will know the name. Personally, I doubt that this coalition government will happen -- more likely, ND will opt out and it will be a technocrat emergency government with Pap. trying to manipulate everything, as he always does.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.226.214 (talk) 20:59, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Provisional, interim, emergency or national unity government? 

message: George Papandreou is still prime minister. He has not resigned. He gave a televised address to the nation this evening, in which he alluded to departing from office, but did not state that he was resigning nor did he submit his resignation to the cabinet or the president. The country's two major English-language newspapers are still referring to him by his title, that of prime minister:
:Athens News, November 10: clearly refers to Papandreou as prime minister. Earlier article states that he did not state his resignation during the televised address.
:Kathimerini, in an an article filed shortly before midnight on November 9: "A meeting between President Karolos Papoulias, Prime Minister George Papandreou and conservative New Democracy leader Antonis Samaras yesterday afternoon - where the outgoing premier was expected to submit his resignation and pave the way for the announcement of a successor - was cut short after reports that the two main party leaders were still at loggerheads over who should lead an interim government. The three men are to meet again at 10 a.m. on Thursday, when it is hoped the deadlock will finally be broken.
We should wait until he hands in his resignation formally.--Damac (talk) 23:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is still prime minister 

message: Recently there was a buzz in the Greek blogosphere about the writings of George Papandreou ex-wife Evanthia Zisimides, in a recently re-discovered 1988 autobiographical book. The book is out of print, and i've heard that there is an effort to remove it from circulation. From what I've heard about the contents in various postings propose the following paragraph to be added to the "Personal Life" section:
According to Evanthia Zissimides in her 1988 book 1"Eva Georgiou Papandreou reveals" Eva aided George Papandreou to get his academic degree by writing his thesis, while they were married. When the couple returned to Greece afterwards, Eva found out at a family dinner that George Papandreou had kept their marriage secret even from his close family. Soon after giving birth, the marriage was ended. Eva describes Papandreou as "an individualist, motivated only by self-interest with no real feelings at all".
Can anyone that has actually read the book confirm the contents?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by StevenK71 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

message: What does the "A." in his name stand for? Is it "Andreas"? --Oddeivind (talk) 22:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Well.. It means "Andrea" (without the s), as it is not he's middle name rather his paternal name. It is a common practice in Greek naming to use the "son of" between the christian name and the surname. Yeomos (talk) 11:15, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Is Papandreou the only politician in the world to have had no life before entering politics? When I last worked on this article there was a full section on his early life. Now it has gone, leaving this article severely deficient. Are there really no verifiable facts about his early life? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 06:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Early life

message: This name and abbreviation in Greek afaik, is predominantly if not universally understood or treated as being a patronym, i.e. Ανδρέα Andrea (GEN of Ανδρέας) and not as a "second" name, i.e. Ανδρέας Andreas.This article (including the linked-to recording) on the other hand, treats it according to the latter case i.e. for all practical purposes as a middle name.So, any sources on this?!?!? PS There is nothing relevant in the cited sources afaics.Thanatos|talk|contributions 06:04, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing this out. This is of course utter nonsense, which seems to recur in this article due to his penchant of including the initial of the patronymic in his name (hence giving rise to the pejorative acronym ΓΑΠ), which is then misinterpreted by people. I am removing it per it being bloody obvious and not supported by any sources. Constantine   ✍  07:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I personally wouldn't have gone with a total removal but I guess it will have to do, at least for now, in this case. Thanatos|talk|contributions 14:19, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  'A.' "middle" name: "second"/middle name or patronymic? Sources? 

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message: The article states he was educated at King City Secondary School, but this is only partially correct. He attended that high school in his final (graduation) year. (See Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou’s surprise connection to Canada at National Post for info) Which school did he attend before that? Mindmatrix 02:00, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some details to the article - he attended high schools in Illinois and Sweden. Mindmatrix 02:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Secondary education

message: An editor recently changed one use of 182nd to 18th with the link https://primeminister.gr/primeminister/history as a reference. It still said 182nd elsewhere in the article and I couldn't figure out an 18th from the link above. I didn't have the time to count to 182 on List of prime ministers of Greece and not all were prime ministers. Is 182nd correct? Thank you. SchreiberBike | ⌨  15:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is 182nd prime minister correct?