Wikipedia talk:Simplified phonetic transcription for Lithuanian

message: I have to question both the merit and actual usefulness of a separate transcription system for Lithuanian. IPA is more or less fully supported by Wikipedia by now and is a very detailed and generally accepted transcription system. Adding yet another system will only confuse matters. For the most part, having a separate transcription system will result in that only people who already have a good deal of knowledge of Lithuanian pronunciation will know how to properly decipher the system.
Peter Isotalo 02:15, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: I see the idea to make this transcription system was criticized throughly. I accept all arguments above, but your argumentation doesn't move the question towards a solution.  The main problem is that, applying IPA transcription, we should have to know how to do it properly. 
However the situation is following: Lithuanian linguists use a relative table of sounds, that is similar to what in Russian phonology is called the phonological approach (or saying just "phonologically"). And there's no published source (at least i don't know), that contains adopting this relative table to IPA. So, if anybody from as tried to introduce IPA for Lithuanian, he'd stop, or he'd have to make something, that's very similar with a personal research. 
But spelling of the Lithuanian language is different from spelling in English, and it's sufficient reason to introduce some transcription, when many words in Lithuanian are included to the text of Wikipedia. This idea is intended to help readers of Wikipedia, to know at least that words in Lithuanian are spelled differently than in English. Would this be better than no information about spelling at all? I' think it would. 
Thats why i made some kind of transcription that encompasses the main phonologic features of the language, that has been accepted by linguists. The transcription wasn't intended to be a substitution for IPA, it is less precise than IPA at least. But it's just we need here, because when we use IPA, we must give phonological data precisely, but if we can't do it precisely, it's better not to use IPA at all (as it's better to avoid information than to give information that's very probably wrong). So, the idea to make the transcription was intended to help readers but not to mislead them. 
But it evidently has no precedent, so it was met with some scepticism. Some Lithuanian users suggested to insert pronounciation in sound files instead. It was another partial solution, to do it, so we doubted and didn't continue to introduce the transcription everywhere. That's why it 's used in few articles only (It's  not an argument against the transcription,  but it tells that we just know the problem). 
Now, i suggest to look at the situation once more, as well as a more formal approach, that the transcription doesn't fit with rules in Wikipedia, isn't very productive here. We can try to disuss this more throughly, i think. Linas Lituanus 11:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: Hi.  There is a page Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation) which doesn't seem to be referenced on this page.  Just drawing it to your attention. jnestorius(talk) 19:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA convention 

message: Should Telšiai be spelled Lietuviškai(as most Aukštaitiškai speakers would pronounce simmilar word) or Žemaitiškai, as it is told by vlkk (so on first mora)?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.219.41.185 (talk) 15:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Telšiai 

message: There is currently an ongoing discussion about the future of this and others MoS naming style. Please consider the issues raised in the discussion and vote if you wish GnevinAWB (talk) 21:01, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: MoS naming style