Talk:Ligurian language

message: Overall, I'd say this article is pretty informative, but it really lacks citations and does not flow at all. All in all, this article really needs to be cleaned up and expanded; thus, I'm willing to help, but we need more contribution. :P I tried doing a search for 'Ligurian Language' on Google and Yahoo!, but it did not result in much information. Anybody know anything else pertaining to this language? --72.223.63.167 (talk) 19:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Genoese is a Ligurian dialect. In fact, the term "Ligurian" is a fairly recent invention to designate what was previously referred to as Genoese, so as to take into account the diversity of the group and not restrict it to an outshoot of Genes. Genoese is now considered a Lugirian dialect among others.
Yeah, all that business about "The highest artistic expression of this language is probably," and "The whole album . . . is considered one of the best" cries out for citation. It seems a bit hyperbolic. If we want to leave it in, we'll need to find a credible source that we can quote; otherwise, it needs to go away. CKA3KA (Skazka) (talk) 22:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article

message: The previously quoted author Sue Wright can hardly be considered a "scholar" in that particular field, with all due respect. In fact, her piece appears to be another attempt to spread the irredentist disinformation that the Nissard people are Ligurians who were made to speak occitanic by the French after 1860... within a generation! Interesting concept, especially when you know that the French have always made every effort to suppress occitanic. You'll find a wealth of serious publications on the dialectology of that region in the presses of Southeastern French and NorthWestern Italian universities. It is indeed a widely studied subject!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.69.91.129 (talk) 09:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference

message: It is highly questionable to state that there are no links between Romance Ligurian language and its substratum.
Any Gallo-roman language carries evident signs of the effect of its substratum: these are primarily phonetic (including inflexion and pitch) and also lexical.
It is self evident that speakers of any Gallo-roman language can recognize their language as belonging to the group, exactly for the reasons I mentioned.
However the case of Ligurian is peculiar among its neighbours.
It has strong peculiarities in accentuation and pitch and also in phonetics. Eg: b changes into g, f into sc, terminal vowel is preserved as u (instead of disappearing), fricative and liquid consonants tend to disappear.
 
Everybody can recognise strong similarities with Portuguese.
This brings about the possible hypothesis that ancient Ligurians were cognate to the Celtiberians living in ancient Galicia.
If nobody objects I shall edit the article accordingly, only by adding information about the peculiarities of modern Ligurian. The rest is original resarch, I am afraid.(Aldrasto|talk]]) 03:18, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language and substratum 

message: The highest artistic expression of this language is probably the album Crêuza de mä by the Genoese singer and songwriter Fabrizio de Andrè. The whole album is written and sung in Ligurian, and was considered one of the best in world music during the 1980s.[citation needed]
This is completely subjective and in violation of NPOV. Since it doesn't even have a reference, I am going to remove it. If anyone would like to reincorporate it into the article with references stating that it is noteworthy and well-received by masses of people, go ahead. --N-k (talk) 00:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crêuza de mä 

message: There's a language in Liguria called Spezzino, it's speaks in La Spezia. I know that because i speak it. C'mon, someone add it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.13.94.192 (talk) 16:24, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spezzino 

message: Anyone know if it is?Sylvain1972 (talk) 17:10, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mutually intelligible with Italian? 

message: Hello, if someone is interested by improving this article, you could add a section on the grammar. To do so, you may use this PDF. Pamputt (talk) 06:38, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

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