Talk:Fringe theatre

message: These two pages should not be merged.. It is not a Fringe Festival. The Fringe is a single concept of theater that has spread across the world. Just saying that we should merge other kinds of alternative theater isn't enough. The Fringe is an entity in its own. It's a way of running a festival where there are 150 performances over the course of 2 weeks. JUST alternative theater doesn't accomplish that.
* Seconded. Perhaps in England "Off West End" is synonymous with "fringe theatre," but that's in one country alone.
**It is not a random country, it is one of the two main English speaking theatrical countries and contains one of the two primary cities for English language theatre. This article must be primarily concerned with English language usage of terms, as it is pointless to get into minutiae of differences in usage in other languages. Wimstead (talk) 01:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article needs a major cleanup. Off West End is just a marketing concept and has no meaning within the English theatre, references to it need to removed. There needs to be a careful distinction made between Fringe Theatre, Fringe Theatre Festivals, and alternative theatre; there is no identity between them, but there are parallels, so perhaps a single article is appropriate. Kbthompson 09:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Off West End is purely a rip off of the New York term, it didn't even exist a few years ago. It was all called Fringe in Time Out when I lived in London. Wimstead (talk) 01:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merges

message: I've added the rewrite tag. This article, and the changes that have been adamantly made to it (some of which utterly contradict what I thought I knew) is currently confusing me, and I've been to the theatre in London a few hundred times, including some.... whatever.... shows. Goodness knows what someone totally unfamiliar with the subject would make of it. It is obvious that usage has changed rapidly in recent years, so the article needs to explain how and when, but that certainly would not be easy information to source as it is all so vague and well, fringe, to the theatre world as a whole. Wimstead (talk) 01:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I am totally unfamiliar with the subject, and my impression is that the article is largely a collection of opinions from numerous proponents of various festivals, followed by a lengthly list of links to those festivals. There is very little meat, but plenty of unsupported claims about being the oldest, largest, most popular, etc., which fail to advance my understanding of this topic. I have tagged it as needing primary sources, and I also sprinkled cn's onto statements that appear to be based on opinion. Lambtron (talk) 14:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite tag

message: While providing external links for the red link entries, I found a more comprehensive list of fringe festivals that might be mined for expanding the list on this page. Suggestion: keep the list alphabetical but sort by continent or otherwise? -- Deborahjay (talk) 07:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no need to list every fringe festival known to mankind; there are plenty of notable ones that have WP articles, not to mention that listing externals would seem to be in conflict with WP:NOTDIR. Accordingly, I've removed the numerous extlinks. Lambtron (talk) 13:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of festivals