Talk:Odle Middle School

message: "PRISM is always located in the Bellevue school (elementary, middle, or high) with the lowest test scores, so as to raise the school's average test scores and make the school's statistics better." 
- i deleted this because  i feel offended. Prism continuation known as GATES Program will be located in interlake, largely because the convinient location and AP/IB combined courses, not because the reason mentioned above.
- I'm not going to edit anything but I had always heard this as one of the main reasons for locating the program at Stevenson and Odle. Neither school really had much else going for it that would have been a reason to locate that kind of program there.
It would help if PRISM AP and IB were defined. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to Nicodemus75 for the info. I see that PRISM remains undefined and all I could find was something to do with reform in science and math. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 15:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  PRISM 

message: This page has been kept following this AFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD debate link 

message: You really can't be saying how wonderful a teacher is in a factual article about a school.  Wikipedia may be editable by anyone, but it is expected that the information be factual and when possible attributed to reliable sources.  I'll will edit that section later unless someone disagrees.  --Kraftlos 06:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Just to head this off now, please discuss deletion at the deletion discussion page, not here.  Kraftlos (talk) 07:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks everyone for working on this rather than just tell me that it was fine as it was.   The article looks good now!  --Kraftlos (talk) 21:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion 

message: I would like to discuss the notability of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Odle_Middle_School&diff=244693944&oldid=244198570.  Specifically, why is this one competition notable?  Should we add the top finishers in all such competitions for all middle school articles before Wikipedia is complete? --DerRichter (talk) 06:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that placing, as opposed to winning, in a state competition does not merit inclusion but I should put a different emphasis on this. It is not a question of whether the competition is notable as such (though it may be), which would justify its own page, but whether the results are worth a mention in the article. Many events are mentioned in schools articles that are not inherently notable. For example, if the school burned down that would be worth including even though the fire wouldn't be individually notable similarly with winning state athletic championships, a significant financial scandal or a major charity fund-raising success. The question is what should be included. In my view winning a state-wide competition crosses the bar as does coming in the top ten of a national competition. TerriersFan (talk) 16:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the Washington State Math Championship is notable because students go through a rigorous selection process in their seperate schools.  The students must then compete against more than 1000 participants at a gigantic event (this event includes a hired magician and on-site movie maker for entertainment).  Also, Washington is the strongest state in the US in mathematics competitions; one former PRISM student won the 2007 MathCounts national competition.  Also, by writing placing in the top ten, I meant that they were the top ten scorers but this did include the ties.  Clearly, scoring in the top 10 out of the 1000 best people in Washington, in the 99 percentile, is notable. ~electricRush (T C) 20px  01:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But is any of that notable?  Before you answer, read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability.  Also, if someone were to be writing about themselves, that would be against our policies because that particular person would not be able to maintain a neutral point of view.  Clearly, this does not display the top 10 of the best people in Washington, but rather high scorers in a middle school math competition of only 1000 students. Are all middle school math competitions notable?  Additionally, do you have any way of proving your claims about Washington being the strongest state in the US in math competitions? Thanks --DerRichter (talk) 03:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer your questions: I am not writing about myself.  Secondly, this does display the top 10 of all students in Washington; this is not simply a random mathematics competition.  These are the championships in Washington, and the 1000 or so allowed to participate have already been chosen in several preliminary competitions.  Thirdly, Washington has produced the highest scorers in the national championships, MathCounts, and has done exceedingly well in the International Mathematics Olympiad.   ~electricRush (T C) 20px  01:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay thanks. --DerRichter (talk) 19:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Math Competitions 

message: According to the MOS, we don't capitalize unless it would normally be capitalized. For example, we wouldn't make "Composition of the tribunals" read as "Composition Of The Tribunals" in the header. However, we also wouldn't make "President of the United States of America" read as "President of the united states of america". So, ask yourselves, would the text in the headers normally be capitalized? If an agreement can't be reached here, then look at Wikipedia:FA#Education and either figure it out or come up with different header titles. The next person to revert this article will be blocked for violating 3RR. لennavecia 15:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization in headers 

message: Do you need written references for information in the article, or a non-recorded source be allowed?  If they are, I could confirm all the statements that are marked with .  Thanks, ~electricRush (T C) 01:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They must be published references. See WP:RS. They don't have to be available online, but they have to be attainable in some form. لennavecia 17:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes Jennavecia is correct.  We cannot just take your word for unsourced statements. Remember what Wikipedia is not.  It is especially not for things made up one day. All claims need reliable sources, or we will have no idea if they are true or not.  --DerRichter (talk) 21:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact template 

message: Is there a necessary reason for photos of teachers to be included in the article?  I don't see how they are at all necessary.  School pages should not be decorated with photos of students and staff like this, in my opinion.  either way (talk) 21:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We should at least the image of Jack Black, as he is a highly important person who designed most of the PRISM language arts and social studies curriculum and has won several awards for his teaching.  ~electricRush (T C) 23:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  ⊕Assasin Joe  talk  06:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You keep saying he's notable, but I see nothing to suggest he is.  Why, exactly, do you think we need to have a photo of him in the article?  What does it add to the article about the school?  either way (talk) 23:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do think he does meet WP:BIO as he has won several awards.  Just as cast members are listed on the article of a movie, distinguished teachers should also be included.  In any case, the picture was already there before I added the picture of Brian Jones.  ~electricRush (T C) 01:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When it was put there has nothing to do with whether or not it should stay.  And, no, he does not meet WP:BIO because there are not independent, reliable sources to prove his notability.  either way (talk) 01:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that neither of the photos of teachers were useful for this article.  Read Wikipedia:Image use policy.  Even if the teacher meets WP:BIO, this is still an article about the school.  A picture of the building, however, would be useful.  --DerRichter (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To Either way, there are independent third-party sources both published online and in print about Jack Black.  Unfortunately I do not have enough time currently to give the links.  About the photo of the school, I may be able to take one.  ~electricRush (T C) 04:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of teachers 

message: I think that you should note that Odle Middle School is across the street from Stevenson Elementary, where the Elementary PRISM program is/was/will be held until the '09/'10 school year.
--GradyN777 (talk) 04:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that significant? MathCool10 Sign here! 06:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

text: It is very significant in my opinion.  -download | sign! 04:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: Should this be displayed as a list? There is quite a lot of information that would be displayed well in that format. Jailerdaemon (talk) 01:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, it is better in prose format, according to WP:MOS.  -download | sign! 01:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If the awards at Odle get to a point that it cannot be read effeciently, lists are okay. But right now a new paragraph for each award or two is sufficient.  ⊕Assasin Joe  talk  01:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed; I'll take care of this if they get to the point that it's overflowing.  -download | sign! 02:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

text:  Done for math team.  -download | sign! 20:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extracurricular awards 

message: References 17-19 lead to the same link, which is the current Knowledge Master results. Could someone change it to old result links? Thanks. MathCool10 Sign here! 23:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see if I can find a permanent link for the results.  -download | sign! 00:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are none. Give up.Jailerdaemon (talk) 01:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 17-19 

message: put la/ss 9 in. i feel discriminated against.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jailerdaemon (talk • contribs) 01:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to.  I don't have much to add about it... -download | sign! 00:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And also remember to find sources. MathCool10 Sign here! 04:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  la/ss 

message: Someone must have vandalized the demographics section. It excludes Hispanic and African American students. It doesn't even match the source that is being used, which is a bad one anyways. This one should be used: http://www.bsd405.org/Default.aspx?tabid=127 . --DerRichter (talk) 04:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed; the old version was correct for the 2008-2009 school year and omitted minorities.  -download ׀ sign! 04:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: "Academy courses are a more rigorous and in-depth option for over-achieving students rather than normal classes offered at Odle."
I have a problem with this sentence.  By saying that Academy students are overachievers, the author of this sentence is making the assumption that generally, all Academy students receive good marks and are enthusiastic about school.  I have been to this school, and I know from person experience that this is not necessarily the case.  I would like to reword this sentence, but wanted to run it by the talk page first.  I would say, "Academy courses are a more rigorous and in-depth option that students can opt to take as an alternative to normal classes offered at Odle."
WorldCupDude (talk) 02:21, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree with you - will make your change to the article.  :) -download ׀ talk 02:55, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Academy Classes Description