Talk:Helmut Gröttrup

message: This is a terrible article.  It needs to be completely replaced.  Groettrup chose to work for the Soviets because he wanted to be more influential and he didn't get along with von Braun's team that well (Willy Ley discusses this in his books).  He worked for a time in a lab set up by Boris Chertok in Germany, and then they were transfered (not "kidnapped") to Russia.  Their primary mission there was the R-1, to help the Soviets learn how to build a rocket factory, and they started by learning to duplicate the V-2.  Most of the Germans were returned home in the late 1940s, and they never were allowed to know anything about later developemens like the R-2 and R-5.
There is a modern revisionist movement in German history, claiming that Groettrup was mistreated and that his small group of scientists invented all the Soviet rocket technology.  That is absurd and no documentation support such an extreme viewpoint.  DonPMitchell 18:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
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message: This concerns POV tag cleanup.  Whenever an POV tag is placed, it is necessary to also post a message in the discussion section stating clearly why it is thought the article does not comply with POV guidelines, and suggestions for how to improve it.  This permits discussion and consensus among editors.  This is a drive-by tag, which is discouraged in WP, and it shall be removed. Future tags should have discussion posted as to why the tag was placed, and how the topic might be improved.  Better yet, edit the topic yourself with the improvements.  This statement is not a judgement of content, it is only a cleanup of frivolously and/or arbitrarily placed tags.  No discussion, no tag.Jjdon (talk) 23:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
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message: I rewrote most of the article to replace material that was completely incorrect.  No missiles were launched from the island where the Germans were stationed in Moscow, for example.  I added some references to excellent articles by Chertok and Siddiqi.  DonPMitchell (talk) 21:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: This article could be considerably updated by reference to an early edition of the BBC Timewatch series.
The BBC had traced, and interviewed, several of the scientists who had been recruited by the Russians just after WW2. One scientist had been awarded a special medal by the Russians in appreciation of his efforts. After his return to Germany, another had become a full professor and his comments were particularly interesting.
He was convinced that as Russian had world class scientists of its own, the German scientists "may have saved a year of research, two years at the very most". He didn't give any obvious feelings of being deliberately sidelined.
Equally interesting were the comments of Gotrupps widow. She didn't seem to have any scientific background and although travelling in a closed train managed to look through gaps in the train window blinds. The rubble and wreckage left by the WW2 fighting seemed to have almost overawed her. "When the Russians were living five,or more, to a room, we were allocated a whole apartment". 
It would add a lot more information on the whole situation if the BBC would issue this episode on DVD.AT Kunene (talk) 21:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
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