Talk:Woodstock '99

message: Woodstock '69 was about peace and love, this whole "woodstock" '99 was horrid and doesnt do its predecessor any justice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.225.186.189 (talk) 01:28, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Even without being there, it's clear that the whole event was just about money and the name "Woodstock" for marketing purposes. Greed and money was the main factor, not music.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.62 (talk) 15:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I was there and some of the details are not accurate. EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 09:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woodstock '99? No thanks 

message: About that Red hot chili pepper show, its NOT 45 minutes long, where did you get that information? please let me know, cause its wrong. they were on stage for about 75 minutes. please don't post anything in the article unless you know its true.
By the way, the part about problems during red hot chili pepper show might need a grammar-check. i´m not good at that part myself.
Wow, this article is unbelievably negative and no doubt written by someone who wasn't there. No mention of the bands or anything facts, just a lot of terrible things. I'll have to fix this one up. --Patik 16:16, Aug 15, 2004 (UTC)
: That's kinda the idea, isn't it :P  --212.99.193.74 23:06, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Woohoo! Two years and counting, boy this is going to be a great article Patik. Looking forward to it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.219.227.6 (talk) 01:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong facts about Red hot chili peppers show 

message: "About 500 New York state policemen were hired for security. The promoters may have anticipated some degree of rioting and chaos, or may have simply taken precautionary measures necessary for any large gathering of people."
This sounds as if one policeman for 400 people at a concert would be a lot of security. I don't really have experience, but it rather seems a little few to me... --212.99.193.74 23:05, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in the right range compared to large sporting events such as football or baseball games, which hire perhaps one security person per 500 attendees.  On the other hand indoors nightclubs typically use one per 100-150 patrons.  And if 500 police arrested only seven people, as the article states, that doesn't quite sound like the situation rises to the level of a riot, does it?  --Blainster 11:17, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  500 policemen for 200.000 visitors above average? 

message: This article is a mess.  I attended the show and the negative tone of the article does not reflect the reality of the first two days OR the fires/looting on the third day.  At the very least the fires and looting should be its own section and not the primary focus of the entire article.  Several statements are entirely inaccurate as well (two brief examples: Food and drink were allowed to be brought in; tap water was readily available and was not "guarded by mud people" any of the times I wanted access to it.)  I'm putting a couple tags on the article and may stop back to fix it up later as time permits. -- Moondigger 22:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the problem here is that Woodstock 99 is known to most people who weren't there as 'the one with the riots' because whenever it's mentioned in media these days, it's in reference to the trouble that happened. The Kinslayer 12:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The event is notable mainly as a disaster. If you had fun at the concert then that's swell, but your personal experiences aren't what makes it encyclopedic. Is it "unfair" that the article on the Hindenburg spends so more time talking about it burning that about it's uneventful and non-noteworthy flights before that? Bobbyi 18:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point of view and other problems 

message: Like everyone else has commented I really think this article was written by someone who might have only watched it on Pay Per View and bought the CD.
One thing I would like to repeat just like everyone else said......you WERE allowed to bring into Woodstock basically anything you wanted..just NO GLASS or like weapons and stuff like that.  I remember the NO GLASS being a big thing.  Me and my friends brought several 30 packs of beer, several of those cheap crappy plastic bottles of vodka along with big jugs of juice to mix it with and several gallons of water...and also a lot of non-perishable snacks and food. And this was all ok...they seemed to be much more concerned with glass jars of salsa that the people in front of us had then all our alcohol. Also there seemed to be ways to get illegal stuff in there anyway...there were people walking around with freezer bags of schrooms, E-pills and weed selling it out in the open like they were selling popcorn at a baseball game. Also, on the way out after the show ended we saw several full size 6 ft nitrous tanks all over the festival site...one of the biggest mysteries of my life to this day...HOW DID THEY SNEAK THOSE IN THERE!! And I'm not mistaken...they weren't something else...they were nitrous tanks.
Second, I think the overall impression that the whole weekend was some sort of crime-ridden free for all is way off...this coming from someone that was ACTUALLY THERE.  More or less the whole weekend was fairly orderly and the stuff that happened at the end of the show was the only shenanigans that went on.  I roamed all over the festival all weekend and I don't even think I saw a single fight or negative incident while I was there. I even saw some dudes yell at someone for trying to grope a naked girl in the crowd.  The fires at the end were definitely started by the peace candles that were handed out. I don't even remember them being handed out by like a booth or anything...there seemed to be people from whatever organization that was handing them out in the crowd as well.  Also the fuel for the bonfires mostly came from the wood used to construct the food vendor booths.  See, when they got to the end of the show all the food vendors packed up and left all the booths deserted. People then ripped them apart and used the wood for bonfires...possibly in frustration for the outrageous vendor prices for everything from food to shirts.
Thirdly, The author may be correct but I've always wondered how Woodstock 99 could NOT have been profitable!!!  These are more or less some of the ballpark prices I remember....
Tickets for the 3 days $150.00
Burrito $10.00
Rotisserie Chicken $20.00
Pizza $10.00
Drinks $8.00
Bag of Ice (while it lasted) $20.00 or more
Shirts $30.00+
The food prices were the worst...they made you want to smash someones face.
Finally, someone also mentioned the water and toliet situation which I thought was not terrible but fairly inadequate. They seemed to have a reasonable amount of porta-johns however it didn't seem like anyone was servicing them over the 3 days...therefore by like the end of day 2 almost all of them were out of toliet paper and/or overflowing with feces.  The drinking water set-up was great however since it didn't rain that weekend and some people wanted to do the whole mud fight thing again alot of the the hoses supplying the potable water stations were cut to flood the fields for mudfights....which made potable water much harder to find by the end of the show.  — The preceding comment was added by Metall2462 (talk • contribs) 2:30, 28 September 2006.
* A couple of the prices you quote are a bit off.  All drinks were $4, and all came in 20 oz plastic bottles - Coke, water, lemonade, didn't matter.  $4. That I remember clearly.  On a hot day out in the sun that got pretty damned expensive, but there was always the tap water, which was free.  Buy one bottle of whatever then keep refilling it from the tap.  Pizza was $12, which may not seem like much but it was sized for one person.  I'm not sure about the other foods you mentioned.—The preceding comment was added by Moondigger (talk • contribs) 22:06, 28 September 2006.
* I disagree.  I'm remember that while 20-oz. bottles of water were $4, 20-oz bottles of soda were $8 (and I don't think there were Coke products, just Pepsi ones--I wouldn't have chosen a Sierra Mist if I could have had a Sprite.)--Skywarp    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.115.125.36 (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The security situation at Download is now much improved, and the 2006 riot was a one-off. In 2008 the security guards all had big numbers on them to make them accountable, and the only real "trouble" was a large amount of thefts (due to an organised gang that also hit several other festivals). There was the usual fires and objects being thrown about the camp site on the last night, but it wasn't violent or malicious 99% of the time. Near where i was sevral tents were smashed and one was set on fire, but only with the permission of the people that owned them (also the fire was the bloke's own tent, and he even made sure he dragged it into an open area before lighting it)82.153.230.147 (talk) 10:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article has some problems 

message: I agree that the nice parts about the concert should be described. Sources? I've seen a couple. Some background info would be nice to have, too.
One of the keys to Woodstock '99 is poor planning. The organizers didn't know the first thing about planning and contingencies for that kind of event and they were very badly advised. The other key is greed. These men had no idea that a show like this always loses money. It is unrealistic to expect to make a profit, and anyone who told the organizers differently was lying. People talk about the irony of putting on a show that is supposed to salute the spirit of the 1960s and the whole movement of altruism and brotherhood, and then charge $12 for a hamburger. The organizers forgot that they themselves would have had to get into and live that spirit for the time being, and that meant not seeking a profit, let alone getting in bed with Pepsi, for God's sake. 
It might also have meant a little discretion in terms of scheduling. A "testosterone-driven metalfest" (NYT) without a few quieter acts in between to cool things down is asking for trouble. It's common sense and has been since the 1950s when every theater owner knew the risks of putting on a rock and roll show or film. From what I've read, scheduling was so haywire at Woodstock 99 that the performers came in not knowing when they were supposed to play. Half of them hadn't even been issued credentials and weren't allowed in until that could be straightened out..
I worked at a community radio station at the time. Two of my co-workers attended and returned to report that indeed they were told they were not allowed to bring  in their bottled water and sandwiches (for a three-day camping event in 100-degree heat). Now, we know they didn't have enough security people, so hired more on the spot. Here's my guess: In the confusion these men might have misunderstood the guidelines as to what attendees were and were not allowed to bring in. There was so little in the way of structure that the people in charge might not have been sure of the rules themselves and gave different instructions to the security guys.  This could be why some people were told no water even in plastic bottles while others were told it was alright.  --Bluejay Young 20:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor planning

message: I removed the segment in reference to the chants made towards the stage stating that " The chant/chorus was later sampled by Bloodhound Gang for their song "Fire, Water, Burn", as the song "Fire, Water, Burn" was released in 1996. --George The Man 00:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bloodhound Gang

message: If you have an original program from the show, Most of the popular heavier stuff was at the east stage area. At the middle of day 2 it was hot, real hot, the tops of my ears had burned and blistered. At that point people were trying to refill water bottles, at a slow pace, spilling more on the ground. People started ripping off the water fountain heads.  The people were tearing apart these wooden water fountain islands opening a 1 1/2" pipe, and thats when things got muddy/shitty.  It was getting muddy, some people started knocking over the port-a-pots into the mud. they were then breaking the water pipes open to bigger and bigger pipes, 1 1/2" to 3 inch, to 4 inch, to 8 inch, finally to a 10 or 12 main. At that point the east stage was cut off from water. the right side of the east stage was that funky mud, the left side was somewhat normal, some of the mud people were throwing this crap mud at the left side people.  It definitly was not mud anymore from the smell of things.  
None of what was reported as being as bad as it was over at the west stage. The fires, the mud, all on the east side.
I had my tent over by the west side, and it seemed pretty tame each night I walked back. 
I may have some pictures of the mud throwing, and water problems.
It was $170 for my ticket. 
I think if they had mixed up the acts a little more between stages, it may have not been as bad.
It was a high time of our nations prosperity under Clinton, We were brats, we didn't have a cause or a fight. There was No war, No one was pushing the whole green thing like they are now. 
September 11th got everyones attention... Now there a ton of causes thats can be fought for, and no one is organising one of these shows now, when it may be beneficial to Our new youth..
69.248.234.107 (talk) 05:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy crap, how did they get a 12" main open without any tools?! -Rolypolyman (talk) 18:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  East Stage... 

message: I just started a major cleanup and overhaul of the article, mostly deleting a bunch of synthesis comparing the '99 festival to the original while trying to retain the few cited facts that were included.  Next I'm going to go over the "problems" section and delete stuff that has been there without citations for a long time (so if you've got any cites, add 'em now).  
For balance, I'd like to see something that indicates that some of the performances were, at least, well-recieved or that some people had a good time despite the problems; if anyone has any references to that effect, please add them.  Jgm (talk) 22:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

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message: In a good-faith edit the Kurt Loder quote from USA Today was shortened, with the justification that the link provided does not contain the full quote.  This is true; however the original USA Today print publication (which I have a copy of and which should be available on microfilm at any major library) does contain the full quote.  So this presents an interesting dilemma -- one option would be to remove the link to the online version and simply reference the publication, this would make the full quotation accurately referenced but would make the article less useful to the reader, who is unlikely to want to dig up the print version.  For now I've returned the full quote pending discussion here and will try to make an update to the reference that covers the situation.  I'm glad to discuss this here and don't mind where it winds up.  Thanks Jgm (talk) 14:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loder quote 

message: Several requests for citations were added to the article; I've deleted some of them.  In one case (the presence of a rave site) the issue is non-controversial and covered in the references given.  In other cases the statements are, I believe, validated by the overall references provided.  Given the dozen or so articles quoted about the fires, rapes, and violence, it is fair to state that this is what the show is best remembered for.  In a lead paragraph it is appropriate to summarize the overall gist of the documented history and press coverage, we don't need an outside quotable source to summarize it for us.  Glad to discuss alternatives here.  Jgm (talk) 16:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact tags 

message: An editor has been adding to the lead the sentence "The festival was later facetiously nicknamed "Boobstock", due to widespread nudity among attendees." 
Although someone has thoughtfully added a fact tag, I'm going to delete the statement altogether until a citation can be made at which point we can try to integrate it into the article. I cannot find any source for this, and disagree that such a claim should be made in the passive voice -- nicknamed by whom?  Given the documented sexual violence that occurred this is not something that should be accepted lightly.  Jgm (talk) 20:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "boobstock" claim

message: Some editor(s) appear to have a problem with this sentence in the lead:
Woodstock '99 is remembered for reports of violence, rape, fires, and an abrupt ending of the show.  
This statement is a summary the content in the rest of the article, and is appropriate for the article lead.  Since the information stated is well-cited in the body of the article it is not necessary to include duplicate citations in the lead (see WP:LEADCITE).  It's the job of the lead to include information like this.  If you think there is a better way to summarize the topic and the article contents, go for it; the lead could use a beefing up.  Jgm (talk) 21:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary sentence in lead 

message: Moby and Fatboy Slim did not perform on the West Stage or any of the other stages listed in the article and they did not perform on the same night. They performed on consecutive nights in the B-52 hanger in what was billed as a "rave." I would edit the article and fix it, but I can't remember which one performed on which night and I don't want to get it wrong.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrsjr57 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moby and Fatboy Slim shows not correctly located 

message: The headline says it all. Personally, I think that, if possible, the songs these artists performed should be listed. As in all of them. Granted, this will probably be a rather difficult task, to say the least, and my solution is that we find a professional or expert on this topic. 98.246.84.7 (talk) 17:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's too vague 

message: This line in the first paragraph doesn't make sense;
"Like the previous Woodstock festivals it was performed in upstate New York, this time in Rome, New York, around 200 miles from the site of the original event."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.136.195.96 (talk) 08:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement Doesn't Make Sense 

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message: Woodstock 1999 was portrayed by the media as being marred by difficult environmental conditions, violence, sexual assault, looting, vandalism, and fires.
Why the weasel words? There don't seem to be any reliable sources disputing that the event WAS marred by multiple rapes, vandalism etc. --82.39.240.18 (talk) 20:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Portrayed by the media" 

message: The reported facts don't seem to add up: "the festival didn't sell out - the amount of tickets sold were capped at 250,000" (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/19-worst-things-about-woodstock-99-176052/) would seem to contradict the claim that they had 400,000 *paid* attendees (based on the often-estimated $60 million in ticket sales). This veers on original reporting, though, so I'm going to make a note of it here before I do any editing on it. 
The highest you can get is $45 million for 250,000 gate tickets at $180 apiece (known to be untrue; lots of advance sales). You can't get to $60 million. It's also possible that those "400,000 attendees" were lots of single-day passes (again, not gonna make it to $60 million at that rate). 
It is possible that, say, 150,000 advance tickets (at $150 apiece of $22,500,000) and 100,000 gate tickets (at $180 apiece or $18,000,000) got them to $40,500,000 in sales. And then they had another 150,000 gate-crashers. To be clear, I am making these numbers up.
It is of course also possible that the number of tickets sold is actually 400,000. But that is hard to source.
Allanaaaaaaa (talk) 20:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attendees: paid vs. unpaid 

message: Musiceasel removing an entire segment without any description of the edit is vandalism. I'd advise you against doing it again otherwise the matter will escalate into a warning PontiacAurora (talk) 04:18, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism