Talk:List of one-word stage names/Archive 1

message: Just because u watch TV and the celebrities refer to each other by first names does not mean they qualify for "known by one name". Perhaps a qualifier for "known by one name" should be, didn't go by more than one name, for example "Oprah Winfrey" really doesn't seem to qualify for me, although I can see why "Dante Aligheri" would, maybe its a bit of a double-standard but Tiger Woods is not "known as Tiger" and "Magic Johnson" is not known as "Magic", they are both much better known as "Tiger Woods" and "Magic Johnson" -- a line has to be drawn somewhere or pretty soon we'll be adding Creighton, King, Spielberg, Hanks, ad nauseumDietary Fiber
:I agree on all counts except Oprah, who is very commonly referred to simply as Oprah. Tuf-Kat
Yah Oprah should go back in. Dietary Fiber
::Au contrare, Tiger and Magic and Oprah are definitely known by one name. Kingturtle 21:44 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)
Tiger Woods does not go by "Tiger" except in that it is his first name, as the Nike commercial said, 'I am Tiger Woods", likewise, Magic is a basketball team, not a basketball player, Magic Johnson is a basketball player Dietary Fiber
:the list is not for 'people who go by one name,' it is for people known by one name.' Kingturtle 23:29 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)
I would say likewise for Frida Kahlo... Although the 2002 film based on her life is simply titled "Frida," she's usually referred to by her full name. Same with Whoopi Goldberg. As I think has been previously mentioned, just having an uncommon first name shouldn't be grounds for inclusion on this list. Andyabides 01:22, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: TV celebrities

message: Should Osama be listed (it just points to Osama Bin Laden, which he is generally known by, and is certainly not one name)? Nanobug 03:59, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Osama

message: Is this a list of ((People known by one name)which is unambiguous) or a list of (people (unambiguously identified by one name)). EG Fidel Castro falls into the latter category twice, once as Fidel and once as Castro. He doesn't meet the former criterion since he is actually known by two names. Then we have Raphael which identifies both a painter and a spanish singer - should they therfore be both removed? What about Madonna singer and Madonna jesus'mum? -- In my opinion
the only viable approach is to consider "if i say "FRED", who do you think of", and if 99% of folk think of the same person then they are ok for this list. -- Thus Madonna singer gets in, Fidel and Castro both get in. I would remove Zara as I don't think Turkish singer but granddaughter of Queen Elizabeth. -- SGBailey 11:03, 2003 Nov 22 (UTC)
:I' wish to suggest that we change the constraints for the list on the page to "if i say "FRED", who do you think of". That allows Mozart and Hitler into the list, but are they not as unambiguous as the other names. Equally "Mary" has to go as being totally ambiguous. -- SGBailey 23:46, 2003 Nov 29 (UTC)
:: Mozart and Hitler are LAST names and cannot go into the list. A List of people known by last name would be interesting, but huge. Nikola 20:37, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: Would it make sense to split this page according to topics? People known by their only name; People known by their nickname; People known by their first name; People known by their stage name; etc. Nikola 06:36, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Split per topic

message: Nicknames shouldn't be included here (e.g. Jacko, Gazza). There are thousands of nicknames, and most of them are one word. It obscures the real cases. DJ Clayworth 19:57, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicknames

message: I removed 'Linus' as there are lots of people called Linus. The first page of Google hits gets five refs to Torvals, seven to Pauling and one to Peanuts. DJ Clayworth 14:52, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Linus

message: Seems to me this list should NOT contain names of kings, queens or other monarchs, who are traditionally referred to by their first name.  Maybe we need a sub-list of monarchs of all countries throughout history.  But this list is for people who are not royalty, and who would not normally be expected to use only one name, but use only one name nonetheless.  Once we start to include Akihito, then why not Elizabeth (II), Margrete (II), Beatrix, Bhumibhol etc etc.  Thinking of removing all these royal names. JackofOz 07:03, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Monarchs

message: I added List of people known by one name and List of people whose surname is not commonly known to Wikipedia:Duplicate articles as the two lists have a lot of overlap. MK 18:52, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate article

message: User:Radiojon has added each of the articles should be put into the :category:people known by one name to this page and created said
category.  I don't have any problem with this list, but I think adding these articles to a category is not necessary.  I'm tempted to list the category in wikipedia:categories for deletion but thought some discussion here first might be in order.  Not that it really matters, but at this point there are only two articles in the category.  -- Rick Block 02:32, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:category:people known by one name]] 

message: Nostradamus does not belong here any more than does Linnaeus -- the name by which he is known is just his surname put into Latin -- for the Latinists out there, I believe they're both second declension masculine, like Marcus or animus.  But at any rate he doesn't really fit the list -- it is his last name, if in Latin per the preferred form at the time.  --Jeff Anonymous 07:25, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contest to inclusion of Nostradamus 

message: * What purpose does this page serve? — Xiong熊talk 06:55, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
** Why not? This page tells Wikipedia readers about people who are known by one name, so that they can do research on that subject. That's its purpose. Jacqui★ 16:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: I'll start the new talks... what should the criteria for this page be? I agree they need to be tightened. Here's what I've come up with so far:
# The person should be known by one name in the majority of the world. If, for instance, the country of that person's origin nicknames him or her by one name but the rest of the world does not follow suit, he or she should not be listed here.
# The person should be known by one name during a time period and/or within a culture where two or more names is the norm. (We can quibble about what exactly those time periods/cultures are as we get on with the discussion. I disagree with Wahoofive's idea on the AfD discussion about limiting the list to 1900 and after, personally. I think that's way too late.)
# We need a way to verify these. What are good sources for proving this? A lot of the people are media stars, but tabaloids are not the best way to verify. Perhaps news articles would be better, if we could find them.
What else? Jacqui★ 16:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with #2. First, throughout entire history, people were known by multiple names or adjectives if a single name wouldn't suffice. Plato the philosopher was someone else than Plato the smith. Also, the list already only lists people who are known by one name today (right?) In this time period and culture, two or more names is the norm. Nikola 09:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

text: If the criteria happen to not be tightened, what about creating another article for the people who have a last name (because, as mentioned, otherwise many thousands of people from ancient history would have to be included), but which isn't commonly known, in the spirit of List of people whose first name is not commonly known? That would make a more restrictive list without affecting this one, if people want to keep it. Ardric47 05:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tightening criteria per AfD discussion 

message: First, someone please archive this talk page. It's old, and very long. I just tried to figure it out, and failed.
Second, I see this article as useful for the one named pop stars, and as much as I love the hilarity of Madonna and Machiavelli being on the same list, I think that this article should be split into two sections- Ancient world and Modern World. That way, people can add ancient world names wihtout confusing everybody, and we can add a note to names that are only known as one word now, but were actually full names when the person was alive. Lotusduck 19:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important things I don't know how to do