Talk:Alliance for the Future of Austria

message: How can BZÖ be labeled as right wing, if it supports things like Tobin tax, minimum wage and social market economy?
-- User:Tyrerj
Should we redefine the political position as center-right?
--N00bh4ck3r (talk) 23:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, indeed. Parties, which only represent economic liberalism, but are conservative in other issues, are listed in the category "Liberal-conservative parties", not liberal parties. I'll make the necessary changes. --82.181.26.77 21:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I think you're approaching WP:OR here. If we read conservative liberalism as classical liberalism, then the Liberal Forum is the closest we can get to that trend in Austria. The defining feature of the BZÖ still seems to be its 'law-and-order' stance (incl. opposition to the kind of multiculturalism that they regard as eroding Austrians' civil liberties, security and well-being), as you yourself pointed out, and not its economic liberalism. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog  (woof!) 12:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Well, I admit you do have a point on LiF. It's more like libertarian it seems (economically still rightist and socially extremely nonrestrictive). Nevertheless, aspects you mention here concerning BZÖ (opposition to multiculturalism, stricter control of immigration) are not typical of any trends of liberalism, not even of the 'right-wing liberalism' you want to refer to. In this respect, it still should be noted that BZÖ derives from the national-populist 'das dritte Lager', perhaps forming a more 'liberal' offshoot of that tendency. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog  (woof!) 18:17, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Sorry to disappoint you, mate, but the Wikipedia article you're referring to is hardly “der Weisheit letzter Schluss”. In fact, what you're citing here are the CN-tagged (unsourced) portions of the article. If you look what scholarly sources are saying, then you'll notice that 1) conservative liberalism is usually understood as another label for more 'up-to-date' classical liberalism aka economic liberalism 2) the scholarly sources I emphasize would define the 'conservative liberalism' you bring up here as a trend of liberalism that is just more vigorous in defense of the free market. All other features - more conservative outlook on societal matters, moral or immigration - are  secondary characteristics. That's exactly why we could easily describe the Dutch VVD as conservative liberal, whilst the PVV does not exactly fit under that trend (and causes headache for political scientists, if I exaggerate a bit). If one argues that BZÖ is developing into a typical conservative liberal party, then I'd expect them now to resemble FDP of Germany or the aforementioned VVD. So far I think they are quite dissimilar in many respects. All of this doesn't mean that you can't describe BZÖ as conservative liberal: in a way it's true, but I think it's not the whole truth yet. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog  (woof!) 14:21, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Right wing?

message: As much as I hate the guy, in my opinion Haider didn't "praise" Nazi employment policy, at least not
in that famous speech always quoted in the international media. Sure, Haider said lots of dodgy things that gave the impression he was a Nazi apologist, but in this particular instance the international media took his words out of context and propagated his supposed praise as a fact.
To my memory the original speech went something like this:
Compared to you, Mr. so-and-so, even the Third Reich had a better employment policy.
Well, to me that crucial word "even" suggest that this sentence was meant as an insult directed at the opposition rather than a praise of the Nazis.  It was a very distasteful and inappropriate insult, yes. But a praise it wasn't. As I've said, I'm in no way trying to defend Haider. But it is important to stick to facts, since this is an encyclopedia, not the left wing press. 82.32.60.14 23:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual phrase that Haider used is quoted briefly - in German - in the article. The full quote is "Na, das hat's im Dritten Reich nicht gegeben, weil im Dritten Reich haben sie ordentliche Beschäftigungspolitik gemacht, was nicht einmal Ihre Regierung in Wien zusammenbringt. Das muss man auch einmal sagen." - see here. This translates as "Well, that didn't exist in the Third Reich, because in the Third Reich they had decent employment policies, which your government in Vienna can't manage. One has to say even that." He was comparing the then Austrian govenrment's employment policies with the Third Reich, it's true, but this wasn't merely saying Your policies are so bad they're even worse than the Nazis; he was saying the Nazis policies were ordentlich which is difficult to translate but implies basically decent, well-ordered, fitting etc. and that the modern Austrian government's (then an SPÖ/ÖVP coalition) were not. This may have been a slip in a piece of exaggerated political rhetoric, but nonetheless he did praise the Nazi's employment policies. Valiantis 14:12, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Praise of Nazi employment policy

message: It ist really funny, to read this translation of the Austrian Party BZÖ here and on the other hand the truth in todays news. The Americans are naming this "Movement" (origin Jörg Haider: Bündnis Zukunft Österreich) correct "Alliance-Future-Austria". http://www.travel.state.gov. This Movement was never named as For the Future of Austria. 
Fact is that there are many things happened to its leaders and members. Look for example http://diepresse.com BZÖ gegen BZÖ: Das ist wahre Brutalität. BZÖ is splitted to FPK, FBZ, ... Uwe Scheuch moved with a part of his "FPK" near FPÖ again. ... 81.10.202.13 (talk) 17:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, "Alliance Future Austria" gives 511 hits in Google, and "Alliance for the Future of Austria" 46,100. Included among the latter are Britannica, BBC, MSNBC etc. Regarding the splits and schisms you mention, you are perfectly free to add such relevant info in the article (given that you use references). -TheG (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alliance for the Future of Austria 

message: I am quite confused about this phrase in the Policies section.  Seeing as the Green Card is a purely American construct, this sort of seems like saying "Canadian-like Star-Spangled Banner," and doesn't make much sense.  So would one actually mean the introduction of something like the American system?  or is this actually more in-line with the Canadian system, and its Permanent Resident Card? Physcher (talk) 17:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian like Green Card?

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