Talk:Pioneer (military)

message: Why? It's a nickname that Republicans themselves use to describe top donors, included in a list of nicknames that members of organizations use to describe themselves. I fail to see how it doesn't fit with the theme or how it's less relevant than Roman Catholic Teetotallers or that particular painting. Stilgar135 01:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's been a week and you haven't responded, I'm putting it back. Stilgar135 04:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert

message: Shouldn't this also link to the Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 space probes ? I came here looking for them. See also this list. They are amongst rare company ! --213.129.227.107 14:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the same thing.  And I didn't initially notice the link to the Pioneer Program (I was scanning for some sort of Pioneer X link).  I have added links to Pioneer 10 and 11 under the Pioneer Program that was already listed.  While there were many more Pioneer program vehicles that could also be linked to, I think Pioneer 10 and 11 are the only ones famous enough to merit (direct) disambiguation. Noca2plus (talk) 23:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Space probes

message: Moving disambig page tp Pioneer, Pioneer page is currently redirecting to Settler, which doesn't make since as a settler is not necessarily a pioneer, nor vice versa... For example "A pioneer in the education profession..."  75.128.225.15 (talk) 02:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So is this to be disambiguation page, or an article with encyclopedic content? If the second, it needs better source citations! (sdsds - talk) 07:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pioneer

message: (I'm opening a discussion here following an exchange on my user talk page.) Another editor and I have gotten into a dispute over how to interpret and apply WP:LEAD (diff). Wikipedia:Lead section#Opening sentence states: [the] opening sentence should immediately provide the reader who knows nothing at all about the article's subject with the answer to the questions "What is it?" or "Who is he/she?" and "Why is this notable? Etymological information does not answer any of the who, what or why questions. Since this is a general overview of the term "pioneer" and its current and historical usages, my opinion is that a simple definition of the current, commonly understood definition as defined by reliable sources such as dictionaries, followed by an historical/etymological overview and treatment of other usages seems to me like the most reader-friendly way to organize the article in an encyclopedic way that satisfies WP style/content guidelines. --Muchness (talk) 03:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The bigger problem is that the article at the moment is trying to deal with multiple, quite different definitions of 'pioneer'. Individual encyclopedia articles only deal with a single definition (see WP:NOTADICT). You need to pick one and go with it.- (User) Wolfkeeper (Talk) 04:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree with Wolfkeeper. This article looks a lot more like a dictionary entry than an encyclopedia entry. Consider moving this information to Wikidictionary and then having this page re-direct to the disambiguation page. If you don't want to follow that piece of advice, consider this opening sentence: "The usage and meaning of the word Pioneer  has changed over time." Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 13:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead section

message: Pioneer → Pioneer (military) — Following comments on this talk page and at Talk:Pioneer (disambiguation), there's some question whether this article covers the term pioneer's primary topic as defined at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: the meaning that is "much more used than any other (significantly more commonly searched for and read than other meanings)." I suggest moving this page to pioneer (military) and either
# if there's no primary topic, move the disambiguation page to this title, or
# if the most common meaning of pioneer is "a person or an organisation who is one of the first to do something", move the page at innovator here and continue to expand it into an encyclopedic article. — Muchness (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Support a pioneer is a settler who opens up new country and settles there. It's also the name of a series of spacecraft from NASA, that opened up new space and explored there. 70.55.85.43 (talk) 13:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments: --Muchness (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Support a pioneer is a settler who opens up new country and settles there. It's also the name of a series of spacecraft from NASA, that opened up new space and explored there. 70.55.85.43 (talk) 13:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments: --Muchness (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Is there any real benefit to the disorganised and unwieldy list of units here? We probably shouldn't be trying to list every pioneer unit in existence, but it feels almost like this is what's being aimed for. Andrew Gray (talk) 09:59, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of units 

message: Do we really need three different articles for these soldier types? What are the differences anyway? 88.115.93.18 (talk) 00:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pioneer, sapper, combat engineer 

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