Talk:Stan Musial/Archive 1

message: I reverted an edit that claimed his name was "Stanislaus", since both The Baseball Hall of Fame website, and baseball-reference.com have his birth name as "Stanley". Was this a vandel, or is there some backing to this? Darwin's Bulldog 09:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: In the body of the article it says that "He was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility in 1969."  But in the "Member of the National Baseball Hall of Fame" box it gives his first year of eligibility as 1968, still keeping his induction year as 1969.  Which is it? Tracer Bullet 19:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hall of Fame Induction Year 

message: I altered this because it makes no sense that Ty Cobb could overtake him when Cobb retired in 1928."His 3,630 career hits made him the NL's all-time leader at the time he retired, and still ranks fourth all-time, behind Pete Rose, Ty Cobb, and Hank Aaron."
:At no time did Musial have more hits than Cobb; it's just that all of Cobb's hits came in American League games.  But you're correct about potential confusion: The original writer must have figured that "all-time" implied "all major leagues" as well. WHPratt (talk) 19:02, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hit Leader 

message: Recently the anonymous user at IP address 64.218.96.58 has made edits classifying Musial as a 24-time All-Star Selection, as opposed to the 20 times currently listed in the infobox & in the body of the text. If need be, I'd like to open discussion on this issue to eliminate the conflicting edits on this matter. As I'm sure the user at 64.218.96.58 is aware, the official line from the Cardinals is currently that Musial is a "24-time All-Star", as the team phrases it on promotional material such as 2009 season schedules. As some editors may be aware, the conflict in number of All-Star games arises from the years when MLB hosted two All-Star games in a single year, one picked by fans, the other picked by coaches and/or players. I vaguely recall this issue being discussed on the halloffame=yes|halloffame-importance= page sometime ago, so it may be helpful to refer back to such a discussion if need be. Personally, I'd like to stick with "20-time All-Star selection" for now, at least until all the missing gaps in the article are filled in. Again, I welcome thoughts and comments from anyone interested in this issues. Cheers, Monowi (talk) 06:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious why you would advocate 20 when Musial did actually play in 24.  I'm not familiar with the history - was there only one selection, even in the two-game years (1959-1962)?  But yes, you should certainly get smarter people's opinions at WT:MLB - and find previous discussion.  Wknight94 talk 11:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and used Hank Aaron's article as a basis to include the extra All-Star games Musial participated in during 1959, 1960, 1961, and 1962. By listing Musial's involvement in both of the All-Star games held that year, it's a lot easier to justify the phrasing "24-time All-Star selection." Again, this seems to be the best fix for now, but any other ideas/comments are certainly welcome. Cheers, Monowi (talk) 07:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  20 vs. 24 All-Star Games 

message: Monowi, you've cited WP:LEAD, but WP:LEAD urges the following:
:*Briefly summarize the most important points, in such a way that the intro can serve as a concise version of the article.
:*The relative emphasis given to material in the intro should reflect its relative importance to the subject.
Here are some of the problems with the introduction that you've restored:
:1.  Repetition-- Musial's 3,630 hits are listed twice; so are his 475 home runs.
:2.  Excess text-- signing a "professional" contract, "concurrently earning" an MVP, 1966 being later than 1963, etc.  This kind of prose can be trimmed from an intro.
:3.  Misplaced emphasis on lesser details that have little to do with Musial's reputation-- specifically, his hometown and high school days (all MLBers played baseball as teens), his Navy service (numerous MLBers had careers interrupted by WW2, many to a greater extent than Musial), the specific date of his debut (every player has one of those).  Relative placement is also a problem-- in the reverted intro, his sandlot Donora play gets preference over his three World Series wins.
:4.  Missing emphasis and context-- e.g. the text I added about his relative rank in various offensive categories at the time of his retirement, and the two supplemental quotes.  (Incidentally, your edit accidentally excised those quotes completely.)
:My reading of WP:LEAD suggests that the deleted intro meets the standard more than the current one does, and I would appreciate specifics as to why you feel otherwise.  Thanks.208.120.7.152 (talk) 06:51, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: As the headline above explains, there is currently no citation for Musial being honored in Donora in 2007. I have little doubt it actually happened, but I was surprised I couldn't find any web article to back it up. If another editor can find a citation for him being honored in Donora, please feel free to post it here or in the body of the text. Until then, I'll most likely remove mention of the Donora celebration as I plan on submitting this for a Good Article review soon. Cheers, Monowi (talk) 06:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed for Musial being Honored in Donora in 2007 

message: I was reading the article on Stan Musial largely because I was reading my acquired bobblehead box that Stan Musial played in 24 all star games as of 1963. It also noted he was a rookie in 1941. That doesn't seem to compute. Your article says Musial played his first  all star game in 1943 and served in the Navy 1945. Your article further says he played his 24th all star game in 1963. I don't see how that is possible. Thanks 68.93.10.251 (talk) 14:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Cross posted from WP:HD#stan musial.  GB fan (talk) 15:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Note that there were 2 Major League Baseball All-Star Games in each of the seasons 1959 to 1962, which would help with the accounting. --AndrewHowse (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Also cross-posted from WP:HD --AndrewHowse (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help Desk Question 

message: I feel it is worth noting, as Bob Costas did in Ken Burns' series Baseball, that Musial's final hit-- number 3,630-- was to right field... just past the lunge of a rookie Cincinnati Reds' second baseman named Pete Rose.  Rose, of course, would have more of a few hits of his own-- surpassing Musial for the National League career hits mark, and in 1985, Ty Cobb for the all-time hits mark.  With all the discussion of balance in Musial's hitting, this is just one more example of the balanced hitting of "Stan the Man."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.48.168 (talk) 20:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musial's final hit 

message: This is mentioned on page 227 of "Stan Musial: The Man's own story as told to Bob Broeg", published by Doubleday in 1964. Today I am meeting difficulties attempting to create correct tagging to reference the book; someone else please step in  and do it, if I don't get back to this soon...thanks. 
Yes, I suppose using the subject of a biographical article as the source is a no-no, but here I expect both Broeg, who actually wrote the book, and Doubleday would have fact-checked it. 
Now I also see that Monmouth College has a web article "The day Stan Musial came to Monmouth College"
By Jeff Rankin dated 01/21/2013", about that day in 1962 . But I still can't get reference tagging to work...ouch! 69.95.62.192 (talk) 04:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  honorary doctor of humanities from Monmouth College in 1962 

message: This expression is used in section 1946–1949.
As far as I can tell, there's no such term: No article about it, and even Google had no hits. It's not slugging percentage, as the text mentions a "gap", which, although it fits with "margin," does not fit with the definition of this. Please  me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 06:12, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed and explained 01:46, 20 January 2015‎ by . --Thnidu (talk) 02:18, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  slugging margin 

message: How come nothing detrimental has been said about Musial's war record? Enlisted January 1945, honourably discharged March 1945 from a repair yard?! I can't believe it, out before Iwa Jima had even ended. How come Musial never got any grief unlike the likes of John Wayne, Frank Sinatra or Errol Flynn? Seems glaringly obvious, despite his wholesome image, his contribution to the war effort was a lot, lot less than the likes of James Stewart (colonel in USAAF), Clarke Gable (flew five combat missions with USAAF)  or Douglas Fairbanks Jr (combat leader)!!   86.157.48.69 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:55, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Musial was discharged in March 1946, not March 1945. He served just over 14 months. 2605:E000:84D3:1D00:7C86:7BA7:30D5:1B2B (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exemption in WWII? 

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