Talk:The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya

message: Is it a good idea to include a reference to the 2 new original net animations "Suzumiya Haruhi-chan no Yuuutsu" and "Nyoro-n Churuya-san" in this article?  Apparently, both are by Kyoto Animation, and started to be published in Feb 2009.  David Bailey (talk) 11:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't think so. This article is only about the first season of the 14-episode TV anime at the moment. You can add additional info into Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise)#Anime where there's already a note about the ONAs.--十八 01:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that the move has been reversed (see below) and the decision not to re-name was made, I think we need to have a serious discussion on why the ONAs are not included in this article, and whether they should be.  David Bailey (talk) 09:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ONAs 

message: How long are they? It should be stated in the article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The same length as 99.99999% of all TV anime, roughly 24 minutes (counting OP/ED), but it's not convention to list this, hence we don't. If you mean the ONAs, they're about 5 minutes in length I think.--十八 22:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What ONAs? The article (and its parent article) are confusing: are there two anime series? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The ONAs based off of the Haruhi series (Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise)#Anime), but it seems you didn't mean them. This article is about a single TV anime series, which has information about another season to be produced.--十八 00:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So which part of the article discusses the Original net animation, which I presume is what you mean by ONA? I was actually looking for information on those shorts, and the since ONA is an anime, logic dictated it would be discussed in this subarticle... if it is discussed elsewhere, the disambig both here and at Haruhi Suzumiya (disambiguation) should be adjusted accordingly. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  01:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The ONAs are not discussed in this article because this is for the very-specific television anime series The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, hence the article title. That is why the information can be found in the franchise article.--十八 07:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me explain this more clearly. ONA is classified, technically, as anime. People looking for information on it and not knowing about it are likely to be looking for something like "Haruhi Suzumiya (anime)", ending up here. Hence, this article should have at the very least a disambig note telling editors its about the regular tv series, and ONA shorts are described somewhere else (I still cannot figure out where...?).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the ONA should be listed on this page, rather than the franchise page.  It is definitely anime and therefore within the scope of this article. David Bailey (talk) 21:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is not Haruhi Suzumiya (anime), it is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) meaning the scope is only that of the first anime series.--十八 23:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) redirects here and the article does not even inform about the existence of the second series! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  01:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) redirects here is because that's what this article was originally called, but it was moved after a discussion. In the end, it's only a baseless redirect which doesn't link to anywhere important, so no one looking for the anime will find it, and I doubt someone would type it into the search, even if that's still a possibility. And I don't know how you could have possibly missed this clearly marked section, but the information about the second series is right here.--十八 13:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the new season gives no indication that it is about ONAs. I am looking for information about HS ONAs and I cannot find them anywhere in the HS series of articles. That's what is confusing.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe this article should be moved back to Haruhi Suzumiya (anime).  That way, all of the anime in the franchise is listed on one page, which would be less confusing for users.  David Bailey (talk) 17:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But... this article doesn't say anything about the ONAs, right? I think that it may make sense to make the Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) into a disambig, pointing to article about the main TV series (with two seasons?) and to the article (section?) on ONA.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Several people have tried to add the material to this page, only to have their efforts immediately reverted.  This is why I proposed the move/rename... so we can put the ONA information into this article, and have it cover all animation linked to the franchise (see below).  David Bailey (talk) 09:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not turn the redirect into a disambig, and have another article for ONA? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of anime episodes 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support. David's suggestion is better then the existing mess. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  23:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than proposing a move, why not start a specific discussion on what you feel is not being allowed. I'm confused as to what isn't being included, as I see the main series and the sequel in the article? I'm also trying to figure out why this was even split from the main franchise article anyway? Seems to all be the same series, so, again per the MoS, why is it not all under one article (the franchise) and simply named The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya without all the disambigs?   -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, we have a similar problem with Neon Genesis Evangelion redirecting to Neon Genesis Evangelion franchise, and a (incorrectly worded) disambig to Neon Genesis Evangelion (anime). But I'm blaming the related task force for that one. Dandy Sephy (talk) 11:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
:The three anime series are The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (original), a spin-off series The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya-chan, and a second spin-off Nyoro~n Churuya-san.  It is widely believed that there will also be a second series of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya this year.  David Bailey (talk) 20:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And where are they discussed on Wikipedia? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently, all they get is four lines in Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise)... no episode list, no synopsis.  David Bailey (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is obviously a MoS mess. Who on earth will look at the franchise section when looking for info on anime, if we have a dedicated anime article? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I'm proposing a single Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) article, to cover all the anime in the franchise.  David Bailey (talk) 22:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That should be then Haruhi Suzumiya (anime series). The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) should still exist to cover the first anime.じんない 17:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I don't have a source for it other than MAL, but according to various Japanese TV stations, the supposed re-airing of Haruhi is 28 episodes long instead of 14...so, in other, words, there is a possibility of the new episodes being mixed in with the first season, or being aired after the first season is completed. Then again, given KyoAni's reputation, it's certainly possible that they plan to air the episodes in chronological order, then in the original order or something equally disappointing. Either way, keep your ears open for news. 70.130.36.17 (talk) 12:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There already is a reliable source in the article. Bikasuishin (talk) 12:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-airing 28 episodes