Talk:Pre-engagement ring

message: I removed
:In American Bahá'í culture, a promise ring may be given to a prospective engagement partner prior to the required consent of both individuals' parents.  At that point, this ring can then be considered an engagement ring or can be replaced by another ring for that purpose.
because it is untrue.  In the Bahá'í Faith once a couple knows that they want to get married, (i.e. promise to each other) they have to immediatly go to their parents for consent, and only once they get consent can they claim to be promised or engaged.  Secondly, as a Bahá'í I have never seen any other Bahá'ís who have had promised rings. -- Jeff3000 15:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Promise Ring in Bahá'í Culture

message: A graduate student in my early twenties, I have never heard of anyone coveting their sweetheart's class ring or leather jacket.  The phrase 'going steady' is not used by my generation.  In my experience, promise rings are exchanged by couples who have serious plans for their relationship but who are not in a position to get engaged and start planning a wedding (because of commitments to school, military obligations, or simple lack of money).  
The whole article has a condescending tone to it, like the exchange of promise rings is nothing more than a "cute" high school trend.  I would like to re-write much of the article with what I feel is a more modern interpretation, but I would like to hear what other people have to say first.
Any thoughts?
Go for it. I totally agree. Pumpkingrrl 03:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is true that "no one" uses class rings as promise rings, that should be cited, and the use of class rings as promise rings should be part of the article as part of the history of promise rings. Letterman's jackets would have no place in the article as they are obviously not rings of any sort. Class rings are still sometimes exchanged between couples (typically when still in school), and even if they are not exchanged with of signifying an intent of becoming engaged at a future date, they still qualify as promise rings as defined by this article.--RLent (talk) 22:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not just for the very young 

message: The article makes it sound like high school guys are wearing their girlfriends' letterman jackets and class rings.  I don't think that normally happens.
Agreed.  The tradition of guys giving girls their class rings has been around for quite some time.  It may even be more common now that high schoolers are getting their class rings earlier on in their high school careers. 67.34.32.247 04:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it is no longer common in New York, but it is not uncommon in other parts of the country. Class rings are sometimes used as promise rings.--RLent (talk) 00:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. =David(talk)(contribs) 17:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  gender 

message: I don't know if this os a widespread thing. In the UK I haven't really known of it, it mainly seems to appear in US references, so maybe add that it's not a usual thing in all places, but maybe mainly the US.
No, it's not common in the US either.  This is a "hallmark" tradition.
Agreed, anyone know of any sources to cite so the article can mention how this is pretty much the jewelry equivalent of Sweetest Day?
I know numerous people that Have given their girlfriends promise rings because they can't necessarily get engaged (although they want to). This can be because of financial reasons, distance, or whatever. Obviously, you can get engaged and not live with each other, (EG someones in lawschool for 3 years, you probably don't want to be engaged for 3 years and planning a wedding during schooling could be hectic). From what I see, its an optional significant step prior to engagement.
I can provide a picture of what one may look like. ~dan --24.46.185.7 15:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: US

message: I believe this is a practice in the southern United States, or at least it was in 1977. I was promised at the age of 18 to the girl that would later become my wife. Many other couples I knew were also promised and were later married.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.39.161.29 (talk) 14:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promised In 1977  

message: The entire history section seems suspect. A number of claims are unsupported and do not appear in either of the references (e.g. the existence of a nonspecific "illustration, dating from 1576 C.E." supposedly showing a promise ring being given).
Furthermore, neither of the references seems particularly credible.
The first is clearly a small commercial website that sells these sorts of rings, which there is no a priori reason to trust, and which clearly has a financial interest in promoting these rings as having a longstanding, illustrious history, whether they actually do or not.
The second reference may not even exist. It appears to refer to an article in a publication called A True Love Commitment, which I could not find independent reference to anywhere, and which, if extant, seems highly likely to be advertising matter. The article itself is also not referred to anywhere on the web that has been indexed by Bing except for a single site that appears to have plagiarized this wiki-article, and which contains the same citation, verbatim. Even if the cited article did exist, the fact that it cannot be found or its contents verified means it cannot provide support to any statements.
Ultimately, I would say, nothing in the history section is properly supported, and some of the claims strike me as suspicious. I suggest deleting the section unless someone can find credible sources for its claims. Opinions?
Fun with aluminum (talk) 22:48, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History section seems dubious, suggest deletion

message: The introductory paragraph states that "Promise rings can be worn on any finger, but those symbolizing pre-engagement are generally worn on the right ring finger; sometimes, the left middle finger or right ring finger is used instead to prevent confusion with an actual engagement ring." This seems to be both redundant and confusing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.64.208.33 (talk) 08:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing introduction 

message: There are many styles you can choose from with diamond promise rings. You don't have to stick to a white diamond and you might want to choose from natural colored diamond rings for a really unique promise ring. The diamond promise ring is not something new. It has its roots in the Scribbling Ring used in Europe hundreds of years ago. This type of promise ring contained imbedded diamonds and using the diamonds they could write love notes to each other.
The price of a diamond promise ring usually ranged from $100 to $400. Although promise rings are typically associated with women, you can also get men's diamond promise rings. The prices for these are a bit higher because there is more metal used in making the rings.
Hi my name is Jhon Logan and I own www.123Promise-Ring.com, which is an informational site on jewelry, especially promise rings. I would like to put a link on my page for wikipedia because I believe there is a lot of valuable information here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.214.232.16 (talk) 16:15, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you may not do that. Your site is not 'informational', it's a commercial site, so you've already disqualified yourself as untrustworthy. I'm starting to think this whole 'promise ring' ritual was made up by jewelers to compensate for the decline in the marriage rate. 38.105.214.33 (talk) 23:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link