Talk:Fred Nile

message: Masalai, please stop inserting that paragraph! Association with literacy or social class is conjecture and has no place in this article. Rev. is his preferred title. It's that simple.
But Masalai is right about Nile (along with Moyes) being unique in their form of address, being ordained ministers and MPs AND preferring the use of both titles ie "Reverend the Hon. (Fred) Frederick John NILE, ED LTh MLC" his parliamentary page. I have changed it to reflect this. Nick 15:00 January 13, 2006.
Looks like Ambi doesn't like my compromise, she thinks titles don't belong in the lead paragraph. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28biographies%29#Honorific_prefixes says that they're optional. (Other pages generally use abbreviated forms, 'The Rev. Hon.' would certainly be less cumbersome than 'The Reverend and Honourable'.) I'm not going to change it again because this is getting silly but I do hope there'll be something factual and NPoV settled upon soon. Nick 05:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Rev. 

message: This entry sounds like it was written by the Greens! Can we please clean up some of the PoV issues in this article?
*Please sign your comments. Anonymous complaints seldom get much sympathy.
*Please explain what you think is wrong or POV about the article rather than just slapping a notice on it. Adam 13:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PoV 

message: User:Davehas12 keeps trying to remove some important incidents in Nile's past and glorify his upbringing, etc. It seems he might be a staffer. Anyway I am going to revert to the previous version, but Davehas12 has been restoring his edits when other editors have reverted, so I'd thought I'd bring it here to the talk page. Teiresias84 07:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More PoV issues 

message: Ok, will everyone who has a problem with this data please state what part they have a problem with and why? Thanks
Fred Nile/draft
:I have copyedited the draft. Unless there are any objections I will move it to replace the original Fred Nile page in 24 hours. michael talk 08:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The draft says he "volunteered for National Service" in 1952 and became a Major in the infantry. This makes no sense. National Service in the 1950s was in fact conscription. Either he volunteered for the Army or he was conscripted for National Service - which was it? Secondly, how did he get to be a Major without going to Duntroon? Nasho men did not become officers, they became ordinary soldiers or at best NCOs. Even if he was trained as an officer (which I have never heard before), it would have taken a long time in the peacetime Army to become a Major. I suspect he actually joined the CMF and became a part-time or reserves Major - not the same thing at all. Someone should check this. Adam 10:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I simply gave it a grammar check and removed any POV extremities. I don't know anything in particular about Nile or about military service so I'm leaving this one up to Dave (or anyone else who's interested). michael talk 12:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy with the draft. Timeshift 11:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft 

message: I have copyedited the draft. Unless there are any objections I will move it to replace the original Fred Nile page in 24 hours. michael talk 08:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The draft was done so there could be a consensus on it (and to avoid revert wars) before it replaced the original page. I'll replace it now. michael talk 06:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nile Draft 

message: I have just noticed that Nile was born in December 1934. He thus cannot have joined the CMF in 1948 as stated by Dave above. He may have been a school cadet. Adam 09:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Military service again

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Fredposter.jpg

message: According to his own website, , he did in fact leave because of homosexual ordination. This surprised me too, as I thought there would be a large number of reasons. I'm surprised he didn't leave 20 years ago. I guess this was the straw that broke the camel's back. Thux2828 00:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Leaving the Uniting Church

message: Fred was famous for running around on Bondi Beach dressed in suit & tie, protesting against topless bathing, and telling women to put their tops back on. He also was famous for protesting against films and art exhibitions that depicted nudity and sex, with the result that he would cause so much publicity that more people would attend those events to see what the fuss was about. An example was when Fred and a group of nuns marched outside a cinema screening Caligula, which did wonders for ticket sales. This history should all be in the article, as it is what Fred is famous for. However, to access the archives of The Sydney Morning Herald for the late 1970s and early 1980s costs money. If anyone happens to be delving into the SMH archives, they could search for some Fred Nile references from that era. Thanks,--Lester 21:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Topless bathing and Caligula 

message: I query the need for the for that line in the 'Views on the Muslim community' section. Besides the fact it is targeted at a specific person and not the Muslim community in general, it was a view held by quite a number of people and not solely specific to Nile. Lynx Raven Raide (talk) 21:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Niles comments about Muslim womens' headdress went further than the article states, as Nile said they should be banned. He's made so many comments now, it needs its own section.Lester 05:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheikh Taj El-Din Hamid Hilaly comment 

message: This entry requires updating. What was the result for this venture, and how did it compare to any earlier attempt(s)?
Calibanu 03:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still being counted. They're not getting anyone into the Senate, though, that's for sure. --Stormie 08:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone provide an explanation why- say, from an NSW political scientist or newspaper columnist? I imagine that Family First had something to do with that. Calibanu (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2007 Australian Senate election attempt

message: Yet again, Fred Nile is campaigning on Muslim issues again. It has been reported in the news that Nile was yesterday addressing the crowd of protesters at meetings opposing the construction of an Islamic school at Camden in South-West Sydney. For those who oppose the section titled Views on the Muslim community, I think current events prove that the section is necessary and Nile will keep creating content to expand it.Lester 20:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nile's views are indeed worthy of noting, if for no other reason than to highlight how ridiculous they generally are. --Pete (talk) 22:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like the article to discuss why these extreme views are so popular, and why the political process legitimatizes and enables people like Nile to rise to and maintain leadership positions.  In other words, how did he get to where he is, and why?  This will give the readers insight on who his supporters are and the types of people he represents.  Viriditas (talk) 22:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fred Nile is campaigning against Muslims again 

message: "The death threats seem, superficially at least, to simultaneously justify and perpetuate his followers' antipathy towards the Islamic community." Chrismaltby  (talk) 12:42, 8  February 2010 (UTC)
Attempted to remove this PoV violation by Chrismaltby several times now. Davehas12 (talk) 04:12, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Davehas12, that NPOV isn't mine, I already had a go at toning it down. Please do your research before making these kinds of allegations. Chrismaltby (talk) 01:40, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV Violation 

message: Usually I am not quick to add a recent event to Wikipedia, since, in my opinion, most recentism does not stand the test of time.  I do think that allegations that pornography was accessed on Nile's parliamentary computer account is an exception, given his strong public moral stance.  The risk here is that the section can quickly start resembling a news article with updates on every angle of the story as it unfolds.  Some of this is probably important for balance, but getting it right is difficult.  Any thoughts?  Wikipeterproject (talk) 02:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest having nothing in the article at all about this. It is shallow, sensationalist rubbish. As a teacher in a government school I can assure you that what these audits deem to be pornography is often nothing of the kind. Advertisements on the SMH website are often censored as pornography. It must be pretty salacious stuff. I'm no fan of Fred's, but this addition to the article is totally inappropriate. It's times like this that the Tele's credibility as a WP:RS must also be questioned. HiLo48 (talk) 08:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am still very concerned about this material being in the article at all. In simple terms, we have a report from the Daily Telegraph saying that he did access porn, and a parliamentary enquiry saying he didn't. This has to be one of those times when an occasionally credible source, the Tele, has to be ignored. I am no fan of Fred's, but WP:BLP tells us that he deserves better than this. HiLo48 (talk) 02:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with HiLo48. Considering this is a BLP we need more than 1 source for this "extraordinary claim" per BLP. – Lionel (talk) 06:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pornography allegations 

message: Poorly written, poorly punctuated, casual section. Needs to be included, but in an appropriate form.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.199.160 (talk) 05:52, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good edit removing it. Completely agree.--Mkativerata (talk) 08:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The section has now been rewritten as Views on ethics classes in government schools with improved sources of background to Nile's claims in August 2011. I beleive that as there is now some context, the section is an appropriate refelection of Nile's public position and the issue. Jherschel (talk) 09:08, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sydney Morning Herald and ethics classes 

message: edits are coming from a figure probably connected to Turkish lobby attacking the genocide comments. -- Aronzak (talk) 01:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP Genocide allegations 

message: The Christian Democratic Party (CDP) seems to like this BLP so much they appear to have been copying it.
:"Nile is noted for his controversial comments.[citation needed]." 
As of today that text appears on Freds bio at https://www.christiandemocraticparty.com.au/team/leadership-group/ and was on his BLP here on WP too! (I've now added a few cites) Seems a bit odd to have [citation needed] appearing there! 220 of Borg 08:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  CDP copying this page? 

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