Talk:Hungarian minor scale

message: I think the Chords given are wrong.
In A Hungarian Minor there is A,B,C,D#,E,F,G#,A.
The F7 chord would use F,A,C,Eb, which isn't possible there. Fmaj7 (F,A,C,E) would be correct.
I believe it would be more like this, with the bracket denoting which 7th occurs.
Tonic: Minor (Maj 7)
Supertonic: Major b5 (Min 7)
Mediant: Augmented (Major 7)
Subdominant: sus2 b5 (Aug 7)(VI7 inverted)
Dominant: Major (Major 7) 
Submediant: Major (Major 7)
Leading Tone: Minor (Min 7)
or Numerically:
i 
IIb5 
bIII+ 
bVI7 
V 
bVI 
vii  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.48.60 (talk) 02:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chords for Hungarian Minor 

message: Hungarian minor scale: not worth seriously discussing how exactly it works, because it does not exist (non-existence of a concept meaning lack of general approval/usage). This page cites a few authors of little notability. These citations don't justify the existence of such wikipedia article as "Hungarian minor scale". Therefore I suggest this page be deleted or merged into a larger article that deals with alternative (experimental) music theories. Anapazapa (talk) 12:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a term used in the theory community. There are enough books that could back that up. This article needs a lot of work. It DOES NOT need to be deleted or merged. I intend one day to edit this and fix it up. — Devin.chaloux (chat) 18:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't remember right now (don't have either book at hand), but I think it's listed somewhere in Piston's Harmony and in Persichetti's Twentieth Century Harmony, ch. 2. —Mahlerlover1(converse) 00:14, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

text: By which I mean that the scale has been mentioned in more notable theoretical contexts than the Guitar Scale Dictionary, and does have at least some "general approval/usage". —Mahlerlover1(converse) 00:23, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Maybe it's (more or less) exclusively an English-language term? (But, then, this is the English Wikipedia.) —Mahlerlover1(converse) 01:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Just because its called the Hungarian or Gypsy scale doesn't mean it necessarily has anything to do with Hungary or Gypsy's. See: "Oriental riff" and Stigler's law of eponymy. Hyacinth (talk) 08:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

text: "In addition to calling this scale the 'Gypsy minor,' many people also refer to it as the 'Hungarian minor'. However, while I lived in Europe...Not one musician I spoke to over there had ever heard of the Hungarian minor scale. So, now I call it by its 'other' name: 'Gypsy minor.'" Hanson, Paul and Stang, Aaron (1996). Shred Guitar, p.114. . Hyacinth (talk) 08:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it makes sense. We can now close a file. Anapazapa (talk) 17:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

text: To address the original complaint: Hungarian minor is widely discussed on the internet, with over 56000 Google hits, and music theory videos like "How to make music with Hungarian minor" and "What is Hungarian minor?"  It definitely exists! John Baez (talk) 04:50, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: *"The fourth mode of this scale, the 'Phrygian major,'...(Remember: This mode would be the Gypsy minor scale, starting from the 5th step.)" Hanson, Paul and Stang, Aaron (1996). Shred Guitar, p.114. .
The source reads per above. The article currently lists the step pattern for Hungarian minor as "w - h - + - h - h - + - h" and Phrygian dominant scale lists its as "half – augmented – half – whole – half – whole – whole"; which are different (the first contains two augmented seconds while the second contains only one). Hyacinth (talk) 23:46, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they are different. I wouldn't trust that source as an academically rigorous one. — Devin.chaloux (chat) 02:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The source defines the Phrygian major as having a major, not minor seventh (so it is internally consistent). Hyacinth (talk) 08:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Phrygian major is part of the Natural minor family, not Double natural minor

message: There are several other seven note pitches that have an axis of symmetry on tone clock, including simple Dorian and fifth mode of jazz minor ( nat 7,9,11,nat 13).  These can also be thought of as palindromic, which I prefer since center if mass implies a symmetry  that is independent of axis.
Also, what tetrachords are being referred to?  There are only seven pitches... what is the common tone in the four note sets? Hansenmaxim (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perfect harmonic balance 

message: Hello,
regarding the topic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_scales_and_modes
I ask about the name of this very strange scale:
C-Db-E-F#-G-Ab-H-C
i.e.
H-3H-W-H-H-3H-H
(the context is undoubtely "hungarian/gipsy minor scale", but the scale above is very 
different! with "F natural" we would obtain the flamenco mode).
Maybe an ancient scale from the past...
thanks a lot.
best Regards,
Anunasica (talk) 23:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: (Closing the  since this isn't an edit request as such, but just a question) – Thjarkur (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  An unusual scale: what the name? 

message: The lede begins by equating the Hungarian minor scale with the Gypsy minor scale, but then further on is the paragraph - 
"In Indian classical Carnatic music, Hungarian minor scale corresponds to Simhendramadhyamam, while the Gypsy variant corresponds to Shanmukhapriya." 
This appears to be a contradiction, possibly original research. I think the reference to 'Gypsy variant' needs to be taken out as it is unclear what this means. Wokepedian (talk) 01:52, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:   Contradiction in the lede?  

message: "This scale (and its modes like the double harmonic scale) is the one perfectly balanced seven-note subset of the equally tempered chromatic scale: when its pitches are represented as points in a circle whose full circumference represents an octave, their average position (or "centre of mass") is the centre of the circle. Other examples include the Dorian mode of major and fifth mode of melodic minor."
First it says this scale (and its modes) is the one with some property.  Then it says "other examples include..."   That sounds contradictory.  And I also think the Dorian mode does not have the property that "when its pitches are represented as points in a circle whose full circumference represents an octave, their average position (or "centre of mass") is the centre of the circle."  Am  confused?  If the Dorian mode had this property, so would all its modes, including Ionian, Aeolian, etc. John Baez (talk) 04:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean?