Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Archive 13

message: I recently joined Esperanza and I would like to start helping out. However, I have no idea where to begin. Could somebody please help me out? Thanks! --Evan Robidoux 03:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You could try participating in one of Esperanza's current programs. —Mets501 (talk) 06:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And welcome to Esperanza! Mets501 is right, the programs are a good place to start. Or, if none of them take your fancy, you are encouraged to just spread the kindness, there is no program that tells you to do that. :) Just by being a kind, helpful wikipedian, you are helping out a great deal. Cheers -- Banes 08:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As Banes says, a very warm welcome to Esperanza! I would suggest that by looking at the alerts page, and by giving anyone who feels stressed or unwell a little message of encouragement or a thank you for helping Wikipedia, you would be helping out the entire community a great deal! Being kind and helpful to the community in this way means a lot. Oh, and also, enjoy yourself while you're here!! One happy editor is sure to make another happy, and then that editor will, in turn make another happy. Think where we could end up ;) Thε Halo Θ 10:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome! <selling program> Try the Barnstar Brigade, we are kind, welcoming and a pro-inclusive group of editors who tell valued editors how much their contributions are appreciated!</selling> Highway Return to Oz... 15:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just wondering... 

message: Now that elections are done and over with, it's time to take care of deciding whether the Esperanza Council should go by "Assembly" or "Council".  Through the previous discussions, it was decided that a straw poll (per Wikipedia:Esperanza/Charter#B. Amending the Charter and Polling) would be the easiest way to understand.  Maybe voting is evil, maybe it isn't, but regardless, here it is!
The poll will run for a week, and will therefore end on 3 August 2006 at 00:00 UTC (unless I've gotten this wrong, which I often do).  Any current Esperanza member (as of when I post this) is welcome to vote.  Rather than supporting and opposing, just support whichever option you choose.
Additional comments are welcome, but please take a look at all the previous discussions to see what has already been thought about.  And as always, I'm sure everyone will be lovely and civil, as we Esperanzans are. -- Natalya 00:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Straw poll on Assembly/Council name 

message: There are alot of proposed programs (see here); that have yet to be looked at by the Council/Assembly, see above. I was thinking of having a straw poll (VOTING IS NOT EVIL) of a few of the programs. This would lower volume on that page, and possibly start some 'fun' new programs for the good of Esperanza. What do u think? WikieZach| talk 02:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Note, I am not speaking for the entire leadership here, just off the top of my own head) I was thinking that the leadership could go through that list at our next meeting and see if there were any that we felt should be implemented immediately, or should be archived as ideas that we shouldn't do for the time being. If there were any that we thought were good ideas but needed more feedback, perhaps we could start a discussion and/or vote on this page, but voting in general takes up a fair amount of time and resources. Just my two cents, though...other comments about this are welcome. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 07:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think EWS23 read my mind, because that's one of the things planned for when the council/assembly has its next meeting, which should hopefully be in the not too distant future. :)  Adding comments and thoughts about any programs at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Proposals that seem promising is a great way to support them.  -- Natalya 11:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not an Esperanza member, but my two cents are that we should ask all Esperanza members (not just the council members) to look at the proposals page and give their comments on a few proposals, possibly through a straw poll. However, only the Council can determine whether there is consensus and implement any of the proposals. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 11:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It does actually work that way, roughly. The proposals are there to be commented on by pretty much anyone. If it seems (no polls usually) that there is a consensus that a certain idea is a good one, a council/assembly member will implement it. It's all pretty free and open, plenty of space for boldness. :) -- Banes 13:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Programs 

message: I have removed this section from the main project page for the following reasons: 1) It was never intended to go on the project page, and was only one of several posts that I made at the time, 2) Much of the information is now out of date, the non-existence of similar organization for example, 3) I no longer believe it, and it gives the impression that I do, and 4) I am no longer a member of Esperanza. Please, feel free to integrate any of the text that is not out of date or that you still find relevant back into the main project page, or even specify in the attribution that it is a past rather than a present comment. However, to me the present order, is unacceptable. Thanks. -JCarriker 12:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a shame to see you say some of the above, JC, and it makes me hope that you're not too...how best to put this...upset with the current incarnation of Esperanza. I realise that what you have said may be a technical decision, but to hear you 'no longer believe' in those great words is saddening, not just for me personally, but I'd like to think for the whole Esperanza. It makes me wonder, just where did Esperanza go wrong in your eyes? Thε Halo Θ 21:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: JC, there truley is no need to reply, I've been back through the archives, and seen some of the problems that occured in Esperanza's early days. I urge anyone, who, like me, has never experienced esperanza in its early days to go back and read about it. There are a lot of good ideas that we could learn from there. Thε Halo Θ 22:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Actually I do need to clear up one ambiguity. I mean the order of the main page, as it existed with the More on Esperanza section that I removed, not the political order. Thanks. -JCarriker 23:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The more on Esperanza section 

message: The next Advisory Council meeting will be taking place a week from today, on 13 August 2006.  Anyone is welcome to add items for discussion at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Advisory Committee Meeting August 2006#New items.  This is also where the log will be placed after the meeting.  
Additionally, please continue discussions on any proposed programs that look promising! -- Natalya 19:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next AC meeting 

message: Just to let you know that it is Jimbo Wales's birthday today (August 7)! You may wish him Happy Birthday here!!!--Ed 13:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a lot of people sucking up to me. Philc TECI 23:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did you forget Jimbo Wales??? 

message: As suggested, the new section of Esperanza talk, Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Governance now exists.  All discussions on the governance of Esperanza can occur there.  Anytime there is a significant issue that needs the attention of all Esperanza members, it will of course be brought up here also.  I look forward to the main talk page having a much nicer flow and Esperanza feel now.  :) -- Natalya 00:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Governance]] 

message: I need everyone's opinion on what this barnstar will be. Will it be in WikiProject awards or a PUA? Please place you opinions on the discussion page. Thank you very much.--Ed 16:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discuss Barnstar Status

message: #. Æon Insane Ward 16:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: If we're to put our opinions on the discussion page, then why is there a poll here? I think this is another pointless poll, especially since it is duplicated elsewhere where it actually matters. Jfingers88 18:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not familiar with the passing of proposed barnstars, but perhaps a bit more time should be given for those who have not had a chance to respond? -- Natalya 21:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral

message: I just checked out the talk page in the Kindness Campaign. I'm relatively new here, but I think it would be a great idea if we could rediscuss cooperation between the two groups. I'll have to talk to the Kindness Campaign, though.--Ed 15:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it looks like there's still interest in expanding this idea, I'm sure we can convince KnowledgeOfSelf (the recently returned former Esperanzian who initially proposed this idea) to stop on by and give more thoughts to help out.  -- Natalya 21:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be great! Thank you so much.--Ed 21:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have talked to Kylu, who is from the Kindness Campaign. You can see our other discussion here.----Edtalk c E 15:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Cooperation is great, though I'm a bit confused as to what the joint venture would be? As far as I'm aware, KC was just a "Please try to be nice to people, and spread the message" whereas Esperanza seems to be a lot more formal and organized. I'd tend to think KC would include all Esperanzans by default, that you're all just being more organized and efficient in your being nice to others. Tell me if that makes any sense at all. c.c ~Kylu (u|t)  19:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I have just read KOS's response, and I think that the idea of colloboration between the two groups is good. Yes, Esperanza is more "governmental" and the Kindness Campaign is less "active in conversing" with each other. However, I think that if we could promote our one true goal of appreciating those hard-working editors, then this could work. In fact, the 2 groups are similar already, the Barnstar Brigade and the Kindness Campaign both try to give out barnstars. Just a thought.----Edtalk c E 21:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kindness Campaign 

message: One of the requirements to join is 150 edits. Is this edits specifically of wikipedia articles, or ANY pages? Thanks! Alexandermiller 06:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think any pages, but I'm pretty new to this group. In other words, I'm not really sure. But if you sign up and later on others disagree, it shouldn't be too hard to remove your name. It's hard to mess up wikipedia beyond repair you know. So it won't really hurt to just sign up if you have over 150 edits. Maybe wait for one other person to weigh in though, just to be safe. Ungovernable ForceThe Wiki Kitchen! 06:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Like the above reply, I think it means any pages excluding your user page and talk pages —Minun Spiderman • Review Me 12:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

text: As far as I know, it does not exclude anything specifically. As with most (or all) Wikipedia standards, this requirement should be seen in its context. Someone with 151 edits does not automatically make a better Esperanza member than someone with 149 - it's not a magic number, and therefore the exact number or the distribution of those edits shouldn't be a big deal. However, it's important to keep in mind why the requirement was set in the past: Esperanza is all about reaching out, and many of us believe that you can't really do that yet if you're new and have no idea of what it's like to be a Wikipedia editor yet. So from that view, if you have 125 user space edits because you've been working on your user page for ages and 25 edits to Wikipedia articles, I'd suggest to wait a bit :)   --JoanneB 14:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-member with a question 

message: Hello everyone!
Just about everyone should have recieved the most recent Esperanza newsletter by now.  There a quite a few important new things, so I'm putting a bit here just to make sure everyone knows. :)
*First off, to make sure no one misses it, there is a straw poll at Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Governance#Two pieces of charter reform on two pieces of charter reform (hence the name).  If you are interested, please make your way there to express your opinion.
*So that we are sure that all new members of Esperanza are welcomed, a section at the members page, Wikipedia:Esperanza/Members#Esperanza welcomers has been created for anyone who is willing to keep track of new members and welcome them.  There's nothing better then being welcomed to Esperanza, so consider adding yourself there.
*If you take a look at the Proposed Programs page, you will see that there is now a section called In development.  This is for proposed programs that have a lot of potential, but need to be organized more before turning into an actual program.  There are some great proposals listed there, but they can only become programs if you want them to!
*The Proposed Programs page has been updated, with some proposals being archived, some being put in development, and some staying as proposals.
*There was discussion a while ago about how the front page of Esperanza actually portrayed Esperanza itself.  In an effort to help this, the front page is going to be updated!  Please bring any creative, artistic, or eloquent thoughts to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Front page redesign.
I think that's about it.  Hope everyone is having a lovely day/night/general time, and don't let stressful things get you down. -- Natalya 17:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fun new things and a straw poll 

message: It doesn't make much sense to deliver the newsletter to indefinitely banned users.  --Cyde Weys 03:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like he was just never added to the inactive members list (thanks for pointing that out, inadvertendly).  -- Natalya 03:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I meant thanks for pointing out that it was the list's fault - it's already been corrected. -- Natalya 03:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please fix your newsletter spamming system