Talk:Trapped in the Closet (South Park)/Archive 3

message: This article is much different than the articles for the other episodes. For one, there's no Goofs section. For one, the president of Scientology says he's been waiting forty-two years for "this" (refering to finding Hubbard's reincarnation, Stan). However, Hubbard had only been dead for twenty years. Shouldn't goofs be in this article like the others?  Mac OS X 09:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goofs? 

message: *User:Scorpion0422, thank you for your recent edits, DIFF, they seem to go in-line with the useful suggestions from Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Trapped in the Closet (South Park).  Cirt 21:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Scorpion0422]] recent edits 

message: *I'm debating renaming the subsection Rebroadcasts of the episode to instead call that subsection "Closetgate" - from the references made to that term by the Los Angeles Times and The Independent, and the descriptions of the event at South Park controversies and at List of scandals with "-gate" suffix.  Cirt 00:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Closetgate" 

message: During The End Credits of the episode it seemes as if all the names are John Smit. Watch the episode youll see what im talking aboutMIMS SUX007 08:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your point? I think it's already mentioned in the article. -- Scorpion0422 13:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text: John and Jane Smith that isMallerd 19:03, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Smith Credits 

message: This passage, "When the 13.5 trillion spirits were being blown around on the nuclear winds, the electronic traps worked like a charm and captured all the souls in the electronic, sticky fly-paper like traps." is incorrect and according to the material written by Hubbard is, "An electronic ribbon came UP from the implant station, capturing the spirits, and drawing them down, to the implant station..."
I would need to find a RS for this however. --Fahrenheit451 21:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is about the episode though, which doesn't neccassarly reflect the exact beliefs of scientoligists.--Swellman 22:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly.  If we ever were to find a significant amount of secondary sources comparing and contrasting the "official" Xenu doctrine and the doctrine as described in the episode, we could add that to the article.  Until then, we'll just have to wait for the secondary sources.  Cirt 22:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slight error in OT III rendition 

message: *November 16, 2007 - This would be a neat date, because it would be 2 years to the date since the episode aired. (2005)
*March 15, 2008 - 2 years to the date since the controversial day that the episode was scheduled to be rebroadcast, but did not. (2006)
*March 17, 2008 - 2 years to the date since Matt Stone and Trey Parker commented in Daily Variety, calling themselves: "servants of the dark lord Xenu." (2006)
*July 19, 2008 - 2 years to the date since Trapped in the Closet was finally actually rebroadcast on Comedy Central. (2006)
Anyone have other ideas, good dates for this to be "Today's featured article" ?  If so, as the time gets closer, we'll have to look at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests and Wikipedia:Today's featured article and think about providing input there.  Cirt 10:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All of those dates sound good. I think the two-year anniversary of the episode would be best though, so I'd go with that one to propose.--Swellman 12:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More interesting info here: User:Marskell/TFA considerations.  Cirt 17:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More good info.  Wikipedia:Featured articles that haven't been on the Main Page.  Cirt 17:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some interesting potential dates for [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article]] 

message: *Diff - My apologies, you're correct, it looks like this info was not in the article.  Thanks for adding it.  Cirt 03:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:FMAFan1990]] edits 

message: The WP:LEAD as it stands is an accurate summary of the rest of the article.  But I did move a sentence per an edit summary note of , so the second paragraph proceeds in more of a chronological order of events.  Cirt (talk) 14:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: Great read! Just one question. I didn't read anything about the ambiguity of "coming out of the closet". Shouldn't it at least be mentioned?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldrick90 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coming out of the closet 

message: The plot was already cut down a bit in order to become a Featured Article.  Let's not add to it any more.  Cirt (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot detail 

message: Article needs (badly) to state, in the first couple paragraphs as well as under "Controversy", whether the episode is still being broadcast, either on Comedy Central or any of the syndication outlets.  Or is it being suppressed?  Tempshill (talk) 04:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it still being broadcast anywhere? 

message: They just re-aired this episode on March 7, 2008, and I noticed that in the Xenu section, the original overlaid text "This is what Scientologists actually believe" was no longer shown.  Is that a long time change, or just recent? --24.0.204.37 (talk) 03:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I really have no idea about this change, but without a citation to a secondary source that satisfies WP:RS and WP:V, this is just original research.  Cirt (talk) 04:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "This is what Scientologists actually believe" 

message: Nick Cohen's column in today's Observer mentions that this episode has never been broadcast in Britain, during a part of his article in which he complains about the UK's very fierce (by US standards) libel laws. The column can be read freely here. 86.132.140.45 (talk) 20:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, will take a look and incorporate that.  Cirt (talk) 12:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode referred to in UK press 

message: This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. (Yes, I know it's an FA, this is just to make sure all is still appropriate for GA sweeping). Regards, MASEM 20:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Sweeps (Pass) 

message: Okay, maybe not that gaping but how is it there is no reference to Trapped in the Closet in this article, given the extensive parodying of this work of genius in the episode? 86.141.4.199 (talk) 00:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I will see if I can find analysis/comparison of this in secondary sources.  Cirt (talk) 00:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'm astonished there's not even a fleeting reference to the origin of the episode's title, let alone the parody of the song cycle. —Angr If you've written a quality article... 01:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I understand and I will try to find some WP:RS/WP:V secondary sources that mention that, and add it to the article.  Cirt (talk) 01:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaping hole 

message: After today is done with, I suggest that the page is moved to Trapped in the Closet (South Park episode) in order to conform with the naming conventions of other SP episodes (e.g. Volcano and Death). All the best, Steve T  • C 13:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, those two are improperly named. The conventions are that it just go by whatever series the episode is from. -- Scorpion0422 16:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough! Excellent article, btw. All the best, Steve T  • C 17:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: congrat.s for being on the main page, folks - and rather than edit on a day like today, I thought I'd drop a question in here.... The lead says "The title is a reference to the R. Kelly song of the same name." but doesn't it also mean something else? - Privatemusings (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Closet" has connotations of latent homosexuality, see Closeted. As for how it relates to this article, I don't know enough about R. Kelly's work to comment. Raul654 (talk) 23:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: well not to disparage hip hopera (and I'm sure you're a secret connoisseur!) I suppose it's possible that the title of the episode might relate to the former as well as R Kelly's Magnum Opus? I'll try a slight reword later, and see what folk think.... Privatemusings (talk) 23:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  congrat.s and a question..... 

message: This article uses far too many quotations and they need to be trimmed down. Just about every single paragraph outside of the plot section has at least one quotation. I have already attempted to do this, but I have been reverted several times. -- Scorpion0422 23:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever you do, please don't remove the quotation from Trey Parker in the Production section about going forward with doing the episode, and the quote from Stone and Parker in Daily Variety.  Those are integral pieces of the article, and the sequence of events. Cirt (talk) 23:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article before yesterday was fine, but pretty much the entire production & controversy sections have been rewritten to include many quotes. -- Scorpion0422 23:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as long as these 2 quotes I alluded to above stay in, I'm fine with it.  I suppose I'll have to go through it later on at some point.  Cirt (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many quotations 

message: Congrats to the main editors of this article making to a featured page. The series is excellent, the episode also excellent, and the article even better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.229.70 (talk • contribs) 
: It's no coincidence that this FA coincides with the worldwide antiscientology protests taking place tomorrow March 15 (also L Ron's birthday).  Anonymous is legion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.145.25 (talk) 14:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A very timely selection indeed. Great article! Sidar (talk) 05:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congrats 

message: Since this is linked to from the front page as a featured article and in anticipation of Scientology backlash (due to their current affairs with Anonymous), wouldn't this be eligible for some type of protection?  DiamondDragon talk 00:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:TFA stuff is rarely protected while on the Main Page, to encourage the "anyone can edit" principle.  Cirt (talk) 00:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the article is protected against being moved by anyone but sysops, but otherwise Cirt is right. Today's Featured Article is almost never protected or even semi-protected against editing. But we do need extra eyes watching out for and reverting vandalism. —Angr If you've written a quality article... 01:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Curious that most of the the second para, with the business about Tom Cruise, is not on the main page. So the excerpt on the main page reads poorly for flow and jumps right into Isaac Hayes with no transition. As it stands, the portion opening the main page reads rather poorly because it's taken out of context. Was there a reason not to include the Cruise business on the main page? When something is a featured article, but reads poorly on the main page, that does not speak well for Wikipedia. 71.175.28.121 (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Shut up. Noone really cares. The first paragraph is on the front page. If someone wants to read the rest, they can click on it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.229.70 (talk) 02:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does Noone care so much? 24.3.209.59 (talk) 02:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

text: March 15, 2006 was the date the episode was scheduled for rebroadcast, but was pulled by Comedy Central after reports of complaints made to Viacom, which set off the controversy known as "Closetgate".  So it's been 2 years to the day since the start of that controversy.  Cirt (talk) 03:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I find it unusual that given the worldwide protests that are set to take place today and Wikipedia's stance of neutrality, especially on controversial issues, this - dealing with Scientology and parodying and criticising it - is the featured article for this one particular day.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 10:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was originally suggested at WP:TFA/R back in November 2007, but another WP:FA took precedence, as it was about something for a 100-year anniversary.  This was the next potential date, 2 years to the date since March 15, 2006, the beginning of the controversy surrounding Closetgate.  Cirt (talk) 10:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI - Potential dates listed on the article's talk page, back in October 2007.  Cirt (talk) 10:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cirt is right, this is one of the dates we originally had in mind. It is just a huge coincidence. -- Scorpion0422 16:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It just works out much more interestingly this way. Had it aired on the November date, it would not have coincided with Hubbard's birthday, Coincidence on top of coincidence... -- RoninBK  T C   14:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The November date was proposed by , but was not chosen because a 100-year anniversary for a different article was selected instead.  This was the next available date.  Cirt (talk) 22:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection? 

message: Thankyou, wikipedia. Good game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tar7arus (talk • contribs) 19:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Church of Scientology to sue Wikipedia in 3 ... 2 ... 1! 130.49.212.156 (talk) 20:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If CoS was gonna sue, it would hit Wikinews first, n:Scientology protest group celebrates founder's birthday worldwide and others -- RoninBK  T C   14:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article on 3/15 

message: The article received 80,500 views the day it was on the main page, and 24,500 the next. This wilkl likely put the article on the Top 10,000 list for March. -- Scorpion0422 18:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for providing this here, it's really interesting.  Cirt (talk) 22:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article views 

message: *
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Will get on these soon.  Cirt (talk) 16:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources to use 

message: Many thanks to  for your work on this.  Cirt (talk) 13:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are quite welcome. :o) PopularOutcast (talk) 23:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoken Wikipedia 

message: is dead... 89.0.35.5 (talk) 03:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the dead link, kept the info in the cite itself. Cirt (talk) 04:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ref 7 

message: Regarding , the article already has enough fair use images and this screenshot of the end credits does not add any value to the article - the text description of this occurring is sufficient. Cirt (talk) 20:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of the credits screenshot 

message: They are still not showing this episode, supposedly for "legal reasons". Anyone in the UK can observe this when they show the season 9 episodes in order but skip this out; it's also complained about regularly on their message boards. Any way this can be included in the main article, i.e. anything that can be cited? --Leperous (talk) 00:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In order for it to be in the article it should be backed up to a secondary source that satisfies WP:RS/WP:V. Merely stating an observation that it is not shown on television at certain times is a violation of WP:NOR. Cirt (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paramount UK 

message: Regarding  - both are free-use images, and they are both free-use from Wikimedia Commons. One was even selected for WP:TFA. They should remain in the article. Cirt (talk) 00:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant free-use images 

message: Regarding  - the change of subsection title from Legacy to "Influence" is inappropriate. The subsection is meant to note instances where other programs have later referenced the episode specifically - but simply being referenced in other programs does not mean this episode "influenced" those programs. Cirt (talk) 00:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the episode is controversial due to its impersonation of Scientology. But I'd configure it a bit to see what happens. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C  06:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

text: It does have some influence on them. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C  06:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Secondary WP:RS/WP:V sources discussing that? Cirt (talk) 16:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mean that. I just mean that it is unnecessary, not inappropriate, to rename the "Legacy" section to "Influence". -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C  05:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay no worries. Cirt (talk) 05:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C  05:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy vs. "Influence" 

message: In the episode, all credits are listed as "John Smith" and "Jane Smith".  So, technically, according to the credits, it was written and directed by John Smith and the info should, really, say that.  
Also pseudonyms are listed on wikipedia.  Check out the entry for any movie directed by  Alan Smithee.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.187.154.49 (talk) 05:32, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is mentioned already in the body of the article. Cirt (talk) 22:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credits listed as John Smith and Jane Smith 

message: Hey editors of this page - the last paragraph of the "Isaac Hayes's Departure" section was very confusing and convoluted for me to read through, not knowing about his stroke to begin with. It was not clear from the wording whether the stroke was suffered in January 2006 (before the episode was aired) or January 2007 (after he left the show), and following that if the stroke forced him to leave South Park or Scientology. I had to re-read the paragraph a couple of times (before checking the sources) and this seems to be a valid ambiguity in the article. 68.255.24.149 (talk) 07:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The dates mentioned in the sentences in the last paragraph are merely attributing when those news reports came out. Cirt (talk) 07:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing last paragraph of "Isaac Hayes's Departure" 

message: Regarding the stated reasons Comedy Central initially chose not to re-air the episode, a comment in the article Comedy Central Cooks Up a Cover in Television Week, 3/20/2006, Vol. 25, Issue 12, page 2 by James Hibberd, it says "But in a bit of PR eloquence that spins so fast its practically a blur, Comedy Central described the decision ... as an impromptu tribute to Mr. Hayes' character." Personally, I find the "spins so fast its practically a blur" to be a quotation which deserves inclusion somehow. John Carter (talk) 22:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can cite it (as you seem to have above) by all means include it. Alastairward (talk) 23:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is how to alter the existing text to accomodate it and not perhaps call into question the article's FA status somehow. I'm still a bit leery about tinkering with FAs, I'm afraid. John Carter (talk) 23:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try to access a copy of the source and take a look. Cirt (talk) 23:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closetgate 

message: Tom shouts this to Stan at the end of the episode. I was wondering if anyone knows what this is a reference to (I'm sure it has some significance). I have looked but I can't find a definitive answer. If anyone knows, I'm sure it would be relevant to the article. Monkeymox (talk) 01:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was probably just for comical affect. I doubt it had any real significance.--Swellman (talk) 03:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: just fyi - england (sadly) has a bit of a rep. for 'libel tourism', this may relate to that. Privatemusings (talk) 04:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Without secondary sources backing up any ideas, best not to assume. Cirt (talk) 05:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I'll sue you in England" 

message: Regarding  - I thought we were supposed to hold off on this sort of disputed practice, until after WP:ARBDATE was finished? Cirt (talk) 05:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date linking and date formatting 

message: Regarding  - Please do not remove cites from ends of sentences. It is preferable so that there is no degradation from edit creep. Cirt (talk) 05:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially after a direct quote, or name of a specific chapter, first instance of the book's name, etc. Cirt (talk) 05:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cites 

message: The Legacy subsection is noteworthy within the context of the history and impact of the subject. It is not trivia. Cirt (talk) 01:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy 

message: It appears that Wikipedia doesn't want the truth exposed on how South Park repeatedly steals jokes from Anonymous, as this episode is just them profiting on Project Chanology. Ima go find citation so it won't be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.100.91 (talk • contribs) 
:Um, you realize this episode first aired in 2005 ? Cirt (talk) 18:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I see what you did there 

message: *
:Hugh B. Urban is a professor of religious studies at Ohio State University. This article is a good source of info on multiple topics. -- Cirt (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Rundown Truth: Scientology Changes Strategy in War with Media 

message: I apologise for making an unauthorised edit to the main page for this episode on the subject I'm about to discuss.  (Good to see the moderators are vigilant and active here.)  I was watching TV during a visit to the Netherlands a few days ago, and this episode happened to come on (subtitled in Dutch).  I was a little surprised to note that the broadcasting station edited off the title sequence but even more upset when they cut the whole punchline of the episode, the end credits (in my opinion possibly the best sight gag Trey and Matt have ever done).  As I continued watching, it became apparent that it is the policy of this station to air every show without titles or credits, presumably so they can fit in more ads (I've never seen more commercials in a break than what they crammed in - at least 12x30-second commercials).  My comment in the 'plot' section of the page (please put it down to jetlag) was that there appear to be stations such as this one ruining the joke by cutting off the credits.  I don't know if a reference to this unfortunate decision on the part of TV stations can be incorporated into the article anywhere but it's possibly worth noting, particularly as presentation of credits is something TV stations are very lax about these days, yet the whole payoff of this particular episode relies on the credits being seen by the viewer. --Pete3194 (talk) 05:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Have any secondary sources reported this? -- Cirt (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean has it been reported in the news?  I doubt it, why would a reporter expect the public at large to care about falling standards in TV presentation when they're all still mindlessly watch the crap that's dished up and think such things as titles and credits in a show are minor?  It's only the fans that would notice or care about something like this, and aren't they the ones reading the article? --Pete3194 (talk) 09:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a fansite. -- Cirt (talk) 17:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credits being edited off 

message: Regarding  - Let us please avoid primary sources and WP:NOR, thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 23:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's a problem using a primary source here - it simply complements the link to southparkstudios.com in the same sentence. And I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it original research. Perhaps I need to clarify the point - the sentence currently says that the episode is available on the SP Studios website, but when you try to access that site from the UK, you get automatically redirected to the UK and Ireland version of the site, where the episode is not available. 109.155.168.196 (talk) 23:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not noteworthy - have any reliable, secondary sources, commented on this? -- Cirt (talk) 23:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't understand. If it is worth mentioning that the episode exists on the US site, it ought to be worth mentioning that is does not exist on the UK site. And if a link to the US site is an acceptable source, why is a link to the UK site not? (Actually, if you're in the US, could you let me know what you see if you try and access the UK site, because I can't access the US site - well I can, but only with some Firefox plugin trickery.) 109.155.168.196 (talk) 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just seems like too much conjecture, IMHO. -- Cirt (talk) 23:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it conjecture to state a verifiable fact? 109.155.168.196 (talk) 00:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You, the user wishing to add this, has to first click on one site, then get redirect to another site, then observe that the episode is not available at that site, then make the assumption that it is not available in that country, etc. ... A bit too many steps of conjecture, yes. Better to have the conclusions made from secondary sources, rather than individual Wikipedia users. -- Cirt (talk) 00:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it would be better if a secondary source existed. And I see your point about it being difficult to verify, given that the websites redirect to each other (ugh). But the article at present is wrong, at least from a UK perspective. I'm not making any conjecture or stating an opinion, just trying to correct a point of fact that is really glaring from this side of the pond. Sources are very important, but being factually accurate is most important of all. 109.155.168.196 (talk) 00:09, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: , modified it to be more specific and accurate.  -- Cirt (talk) 00:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that is an improvement, although I still think that will leave the UK reader confused when they click on the link (the shift from .com to .co.uk may easily pass people by). But it's half past tomorrow here now and I have to be up in the morning, so I will have to call this a draw :) 109.155.168.196 (talk) 00:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary sources and poorly sourced info 

message: Numbering in lede should say "12th", not "twelfth". Thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 13:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbering 

message: Regarding  - The photo of the director and writer of the episode, Trey Parker, is highly relevant and appropriate in this article. Please, do not remove it. Thanks, -- Cirt (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In what way is it? OrangeDog (τ • ε) 12:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, he wrote and directed the episode. -- Cirt (talk) 14:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Cirt entirely, it is perfectly relevant and appropriate director and writer in the article. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 16:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Having a look at featured articles on cartoon episodes, the vast majority do not have a photo of the writer and/or director. When one is included, it is usually because it was their first episode or they personally won an award for the episode. What makes this episode special in relation to Trey? OrangeDog (τ • ε) 19:00, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: because he was personally involved in "closetgate" outside just writing and directing the episode.  It bled over into real life.Coffeepusher (talk) 20:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of director and writer of the episode 

message: Currently, the Awards section includes the following (sourced) sentence:
:Los Angeles Times writer Tom O'Neil theorized that the "Emmy Award Winning Series" plot device used in the October 2007 episode "More Crap" may have been a reference to the missed Emmy win for "Trapped in the Closet".
:: (reference: )
While it is true that the article theorizes this, I would like to remove this, as it is bad theorizing. Quote from the article:
:"Was last night's smear on Emmy old business? Considering how long it takes to create animated programming, the scene where Randy receives an Emmy statuette at the end must've been produced before its recent win. The "Emmy Award Winning Series" chyron could've been dropped in easily in recent weeks, yes, but the chyron also could've been done earlier as a reference to "South Park's" only other victory in the category, back in 2005."
The author clearly isn't aware of the unusually quick production turnaroud time of South Park episodes, and jumped to this conclusion on a wrong basis. Especially given the fact that on the DVD commentary for "More Crap", Matt and Trey mention that the joke was done soon after receiving the emmy for "Make Love, Not Warcraft". As such, can we remove this sentence? --Mondotta (talk) 19:12, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "More Crap" theory 

message: Hi,
This article credits Trey Parker for writing and directing the episode.
But when viewing the episode (like on southparkstudios.com) all the names in the credits, including "written by" and "directed by" are credited to John Smith and Jane Smith. (presumably to parody lawsuits like mentioned in the episode itself, but that would be conjecture). So I move that the credits be adapted.
Robin.lemstra
94.226.124.112 (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The credits in the infobox cite the relevant Emmy nomination page of the episode, which includes an official list of key people behind the episode. This names Parker as writer and director. --Mondotta (talk) 10:37, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect credits 

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message: Maybe a good idea to add references to the two official videogames, as they repeatedly reference this incident (by literally still having the Cruise character in Stans closet)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.239.142.100 (talk) 08:01, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Sam Sailor 07:06, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: Was it written by "John Smith" or Trey Parker? 63.155.117.235 (talk) 19:45, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who wrote it?