Talk:Male lactation

message: This article needs more links and more links that are authoritative.  I tried to add the following, but (for some reason), UtherSRG objects to adding them to the body of the article.  I cannot see why, given how lamely sourced the current version of the article is.
*Jared Diamond, "Father's milk - male mammals' potential for lactation", Discover, Feb 1995, Retrieved on 2008-05-27.
*Joanna Moorhead, "Are the men of the African Aka tribe the best fathers in the world?", The Guardian, 15 June 2005, Retrieved on 2008-05-27.
*Nikhil Swaminathan, "Strange but True: Males Can Lactate", Scientific American, 6 September 2007, Retrieved on 2008-05-27.
Poluphemos (talk) 02:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a colleciton of links. As many users are told: "Please add information and cite the verifiable and reliable sources." These are wonderful sources. Please utlize them to support the existing article or add information to the article from them. Do not just plunk them down at the end of the article and feel you've done your job. Read the sources, compare the data in the sources against the article, use <ref> tags as appropriate to support the existiing article text, or modify or add text and use these sources to support your edits. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More Links

message: This tag, which claims the article "lacks in-text citations", was recently added to the article.  It is a little mysterious, since I count five in-text citations in the present article, and I'm positive that all five were there at the time the tag was added.  Furthermore, most - if not all - of the claims in the article seem well-sourced, based on those five footnoted refs; so it seems just a mistake to add a tag that says, "its sources remain unclear".  Not to mention that the addition of the tag (assuming it wasn't unintentional) is a little insulting to those contributors who took the trouble to source the claims and add the notes.  Such tagging seems only to discourage well-meaning and substantive contributions to wikipedia.  Poluphemos (talk) 01:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Nofootnotes Tag

message: Checked the source on african tribes where children suck on males' nipples and didn't get how is it related to male lactation. These men don't lactate, the context of information leads to false impression that they do. Information not relevant and deleted. --24.203.221.17 (talk) 00:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pigmies

message: I'm sure I've encountered mention of a classical Greek tale in which an all-male band found themselves with a new-born baby. Attempting to keep the infant alive, one of the men slashed his nipples with a knife to allow the baby to suckle on blood, and after a few days the man began to lactate. The implication was that male lactation might sometimes be induceable by the mechanical stimulation of suckling. Initial googling hasn't thrown up a specific reference, but I thought I'd record the notion here in case I or someone else manage to find a useable source. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 05:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why men find this so appealing, maybe it's a gay fantasy? Anyway I doubt that it will be possible in normal men. I believe it requires -both- elevated estrogen and prolactin levels. Estrogen levels don't change easily unless by some external factor. Maybe if you have elevated estrogen levels(can happen if you play around with DHEA or high dose steroids) to begin with and then stimulate the nipples to release prolactin. It would be much easier to just take a dopamine antagonist, this will make prolactin skyrocket overnight. You will wake up with nipple discharges on your sheets!(DON'T ask how I know this ugh) Disgusting LOL It only take a few weeks to grow lactating man boops but it takes months of cabergoline-tamoxifen-AI treatment to get rid of it again. It's a humiliating handicap, NOT something you want to deliberately induce. Poor fragile men we are.... 93.161.105.17 (talk) 00:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Induced male lactation? 

message: This is of interest to this article. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 12:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ragnar Bengtsson 

message: The Milkmen: Fathers Who Breastfeed article listed in the External Links section appears to be a personal blog post that describes how the author's husband can will his breasts to swell or shrink using the power of positive thinking. I'm not an experienced Wikipedia editor, is this an appropriate link to include here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.87.163 (talk) 15:34, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appropriate External Link? 

message: Peace be to all! Wikipedia is not about writing between facts or what u thought someone was right explaining a scientific/medical phenomenon on a BLOG! It requires better citations from reliable sources (specially from authentic sources regarding topic under discussion). Hope everybody understands. Some (not all) of the citations are mere stories.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.134.67 (talk) 13:55, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not mere stories required! 

message: male lactation is so rare (only found in transsexuals) that even many research medical scientists yet don't know so-called male milk, as it does not exist and therefore has no relation to this topic.
I read citations from scientific american and a blog,. These citations didn't mention the scientific phenomenon BUT assumptions were made. These assumptions CAN NOT EXPLAIN or DESCRIBE A FACT. Such scientifically inappropriate citations should be discouraged while explaining such medical topics. Please help WIKIPEDIA....not damage it!
THANKS AND PEACE TO ALL.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.108.236 (talk) 14:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medically correct "citations" needed! 

message: Some males appearing to be normal, may be carrying extra X chromosome as in the case of Klinefelter Syndrome. General Symptoms are: Taller than average, small testis that can produce little or no semen, gynaecomastia, males with the condition are prone for breast cancer. Treatment for such individuals is: Removal of excess breast tissue can be carried out.Testosterone therapy is usually given. Klinefelter Syndrome although very rare (1 in 1,000 LIVE BIRTHS) BUT now-a-days is becoming common due to presence of teratogenic substances in environment ("radiation pollution" to name one). Males with such syndromes do not represent Normal Male Population. The phenomenon of Male lactation was linked with "such males" in the near past and reported by medical researchers. The persons with Klinefelter Syndrome and some other Birth Defects showed such phenomenon. As they are part of Male population, they can not be distinguished easily by a "layman". Medical professionals can distinguish them and their associated disease. Therefore CAUTION should be made while comparing their cases with normal males. I don't want to hurt feelings of someone with this disease, the only reason behind this post is to clarify any misunderstandings and to develop positive approach FOR citing LINKS from other web-sites and BLOGs.
If these things not considered for citing links, WIKIPEDIA would not be able to provide CORRECT and AUTHENTIC KNOWLEDGE POOL instead it would become a junk yard of inappropriate and scientifically incorrect facts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.108.236 (talk) 15:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Klinefelter Syndrome 

message: I've done this removal because (1) the first part is redundant with respect to the first line of that section that also states hormone treatment for cancer can cause galactorrhea, (2) the cited source is not authoritative, however entertaining Jared Diamond's writing may be he's not an expert on this subject, and (3) the second part about nipple stimulation causing enough prolactin secretion in men to stimulate lactation is explicitly speculation.  The latter speculation is also not supported by a reliable source () that does not include mail galactorrhea even in the setting of high-level prolactin secretion (due to medications) are: "Hyperprolactinemia caused by these drugs is accompanied usually by decreased libido, erectile dysfunction in men, and galactorrhea and amenorrhea in women."  Because this source does not categorically exclude this possibility I'm not going to extrapolate in our article - but I do think we need to stick to reliable sources for any such claims (positive or negative).  -- Scray (talk) 21:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion that nipple stimulation, alone, in men could cause lactation 

message: Above, you write: "Don't make definitions of your own and by copy pasting from blogs!" (bad case of SHOUTING fixed). This makes the accusation that someone ("you", in a section that addresses me explicitly, so it almost looks like an accusation specifically against me) has committed a copyright violation by pasting in text from a blog. If this is true I am very much interested in fixing it. Please provide a link to the blog. Hans Adler 15:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I used "you" not for yourself but for anyone who links inappropriate citations ( that are stories). I don't even know you, all I know is this ARTICLE and its citations which I have read very very thoroughly in regard with proper medical encyclopedias that I have access to. I started discussion here and some other persons have also removed a link or so for improving this article, and hence a constructive approach has begun. But mind it, you can't make allegations on anyone. I have been devoting my time since and helping, ...so plz don't use word SHOUTING. Its my field and I thimk I am competent in it enough. THANKS. waiting for your reply, hope you reply in better way. §kam§119.153.69.5 (talk) 09:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Linking is not the same as copy and paste. You said, explicitly, "copy and pasting from blogs". If someone uses copy and paste then we normally have a copyright violation, which is a serious matter that often entails that huge parts of the page history must be deleted. Do you have any evidence for that, yes or no? Hans Adler 11:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: How serious is the accusation of copy and paste from a blog?

message: The lack of precise distinction is needlessly drawing controversy to this article. Richiez (talk) 16:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Galactorrhea is a more appropriate term, because that condition is well-established in human males with particular endocrinological abnormalities.  Lactation by men, i.e. breast-feeding by men, is decidedly rare and even controversial.  I think the article should be renamed "Galactorrhea in men" or "Male galactorrhea", and "Lactation" could be a sub-section.  -- Scray (talk) 18:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is no need for yet another article. First this article needs to start with a definition. What is male lactation, how does it differ from galactorrhea, how does it differ from male breastfeeding (this may look ridiculous but we have separate articles about lactation and breastfeeding). Once there is a working definition we can fix content. Richiez (talk) 20:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree with Scary. But any changes to the article be made with extreme caution so that it does not become a FLAW. However use for appropriate MEDICAL WORDS is the path to success and indeed would help WIKIPEDIA. "Galactorrhea is the word used for abnormality in  this regard....IT IS NOT A PHYSIOLOGICAL CONDITION INFACT AN ABNORMALITY. Renaming would be helpful for better explaining the article as a medical term not just a layman gossip. Thanks and peace to all. §kam§119.153.69.5 (talk) 09:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lactation vs Galactorrhea 

message: The History section has a quote "It is well known that in the males of all mammals, including [hu]man[s], ..." from Darwin. Is the editorial change of word really necessary? I work as a choir director for a fairly progressive church, and am familiar and sympathetic to the rationale for modifying historical prose to be more gender-inclusive... but the change seems out of place here, given that Darwin is clearly only talking about males in this sentence. 2601:200:C100:40A0:C1C8:143C:4FA6:3977 (talk) 06:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever added "including [hu]man[s]" in place of "including man" likely wanted the text to be clearer. I wouldn't really call it gender-inclusive since it's not including females/women. It's simply using "humans" instead of "man"...since using "man" to refer to the human species is considered sexist and outdated by many today. But I don't see that the quote needed changing and wouldn't oppose it being presented in its original form. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting the amendments in square brackets make it clear both what Darwin said and what he meant. I wouldn't call it "changing" the quote at all. When Darwin wrote "man", it was deemed gender-inclusive. Now it isn't, and "males of ... man" looks peculiar, especially in a context where sex matters, so the clarification is useful -- Hugh7 (talk) 22:33, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  overaggressive gender-inclusivity 

message: The section Human male lactation includes the text "Also, the male breasts lack special lobules that are anatomically present in a female's breast." As far as I can see, this information doesn't appear in the cited article and the section doesn't tell what exactly these "special lobules" are. I think the cite should be moved back to the previous sentence as that information is supported by the article, and this part either removed or marked as needing a citation and clarification.62.151.109.1 (talk) 13:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human male lactation 

message: Many of the posts in this section seem quite aggressive and judgemental. Clearly something about it sets people off. The article itself seems overly defensive about putting the words "male" and "lactation" together, yet it seems the logical way to describe men producing milk from their nipples (which virtually all men, except the overly airbrushed, have). Please remember that this affects people, who have feelings. What with some babies, men with gynecomastia and various conditions mentioned here causing male lactation, and the shame associated with being "unmanly", it may be much more common than we know. Clearly, some of the commentary is influenced by the recent "culture wars" attacks on trans people and the determination by some people to force everyone into a strictly binary, male or female, no-ifs-no-buts, box. -- Hugh7 (talk) 22:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heat of this topic