Talk:Brittni De La Mora

message: There are issues about using so-called "Jenna Presley", aka Brittni De La Mora's image for sexual purposes, when she obviously no longer consents to the use of her facial likeness for pornographic imagery. There is also bias in this article about her sexual career, when in fact she has since been largely involved with the XXX Church organization, including for instance, this video. 132.234.228.226 (talk) 13:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Consent is irrelevant for a public domain photo. David in DC (talk) 18:07, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethics of using facial likeness of an individual who obviously does not consent to image being used 

message: There has been some going back and forth about Brittni’s appearance on the Dr. Phil show, and what content we can use from that show in this encyclopedia.  Here is the link, as a reference: 
This link makes the following claims:
* Brittni was on the Dr. Phil show.  Since this is WP:PRIMARY, it may not belong here on the Wikipedia, so I will concede we should look for a WP:SECONDARY source before making the claim in the article that she was on the Dr. Phil talk show (in my first edit I added that information, but will not add it again unless her appearance gets more coverage).
* Brittni is now a wife and mother.  As per the linked article, she is “married with children”.
The question is whether we can use this link to point out Brittni is a wife and mother.  Dr. Phil is generally considered a reliable source as per discussions over at WP:RS/N, for example Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_36#Serial_Killer_Article and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_128#stupidcelebrities.net_re_Nik_Richie where other editors have stated we can use Dr. Phil’s website to make claims which, in this case, don’t have WP:BLP implications and which simply fill out the details of Brittni’s current life.
It’s a detail which is useful to have in a 300-word mini biography, it’s backed up by a reasonably reliable secondary source, so I see no controversy in including it.  For the record, I have no relationship with Brittni except that I have bought her book and follow her, her husband, and her ministry on Instagram.  Samboy (talk) 04:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been a discussion opened up at WP:BLP/N about including this content. Again, I have withdrawn and am not making a WP:ABOUTSELF claim (namely, that the Dr. Phil show’s website can be used to point out Brittni was on the Dr. Phil show) any more.  But I think we can use Dr. Phil to point out she now has a husband and children.  Samboy (talk) 05:08, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brittni’s appearance on the Dr. Phil show 

message: There have been a couple attempts to change the name of the page recently so I thought I'd open up a discussion. It looks like Jenna/Brittni has a pretty notable career as a minster and author under the name "Brittni De La Mora" and I think it makes sense to have the page reflect her current professional name. Also, @Morbidthoughts mentioned in his edit summary that the tenets of WP:DEADNAME may apply here, and perhaps the spirit does if not the exact letter. Based on those reasons I would support the name change.  Relinus (talk) 06:42, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) asilvering (talk) 00:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Jenna Presley →  – Per WP:NAMECHANGES, this article should be moved to the title that most accurately reflects present-day sourcing and the current professional name/identity this WP:BLP individual uses. It is disrespectful and inaccurate to use the name "Jenna Presley" to refer to her life before and after her career in the adult film industry. Now that we are twelve years removed from her leaving the industry, it is clear that this name change is necessary based on her life since then. Such a change would still be in line with the criteria at WP:TITLE, namely WP:CRITERIA and WP:COMMONNAME. I have also seen MOS:DEADNAME cited; I recognize the specific applications of this guideline, but I do believe that its spirit applies to this situation. I would have boldly performed this move myself, but I was unable to perform the technical component due to "Brittni De La Mora" already existing as a redirect. TNstingray (talk) 12:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

text: It's also worth noting that while it's true most sources mention her past as a porn actress, it's mostly only to give context and validity for her speaking about issues around sexuality and against pornography, and not to cover her as a porn actress. So I'm not sure I agree the speculation that if she had started as a preacher and done the exact same activism she did now against porn that she wouldn't still meet WP:GNG. I'm sure there would have been at least a number of christian sources happy to have her saying the same things she's saying now who would cover her, she just wouldn't have had the extra context of being in the industry to give her arguments validity. Take for example someone like Gary Wilson who spoke out against porn and managed to become notable despite not being a pornstar first. I find it entirely possible that if she had gone straight from college to being an anti-porn activist instead of spending years in porn first she could have reached GNG by now. That said, I don't think we should speculate on GNG in alternate universes, she easily meets it specifically as Brittni De La Mora now in this universe, and as of right now that is by far the name she is most often referred to in recent news sources, etc, so that's what the article should reflect per wikipedia guidelines mentioned in above comments. Relinus (talk) 18:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 20 March 2024 

message: After the discussion above concludes (and assuming for the moment that my proposal goes through), I would also like to go ahead and obtain consensus regarding the names used within the article itself.  I must admit that I am relatively unfamiliar with WP precedent regarding naming conventions within the actual article: would we use "Ruiz..." for early life, "Presley..." for adult film career, and "De La Mora..." for everything else? Or would we exclusively use "De La Mora", mirroring the current format exclusively using "Presley"? If anyone has a relevant MOS or other WP policy link, that would be helpful.
Thanks to @Relinus for properly formatting the lede. TNstingray (talk) 17:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name within the article