Talk:Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson

message: I'm unclear as to the usage of 'firewall' toward the top of the article. None of the links on the firewall disambiguation page clarify it for me... Could someone explain this to me or correct it?
--JECompton 07:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment 1

message: :"The complexity and the length of this book limited the readers to only those who are deeply interested in Gurdjieff's idea's. Thereby it also eliminated criticism towards it."
Andries 22:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, your comment is the funny thing here. You obviously don't know this book. Aeuio 23:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the quoted sentence is 100% true. Andries 23:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You kinda lost me there. Aeuio 23:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the quoted sentences concisely wrote the truth and that is why I think they are so funny. Andries 23:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok then, sorry for the misunderstanding; its just that you have a funny way of expressing yourself. (And thanks, I wrote those statements.) Aeuio 00:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It remains original research. Andries 00:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, it remains a fact, since there is noone who would diagree with the statement. Aeuio 02:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That does not contradict the assertion that it is original research. _-_meco (talk) 10:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Very funny, but probably original research

message: I think a little more detail on this will be helpful for readers. Why is it considered as a degeneration - a wrong translation, perhaps? And it will be excellent if we could cite a reference for it - specifically, who said it, and where. You know, citations are held at the highest esteem on Wikipedia :-D --BorgQueen 22:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This translated Beelzebub's tales was made after Gurdjieff's death and its purpose was to make the book easier readable and less complicated - which complication Gurdjieff struggled to make. For citation - last paragraph on page 5 [Moveable Feasts" at http://www.gurdjieff-bibliography.com/Current/20_link-to-pg23.pdf]. I think that James Moore left fourth way groups on account of this article. Aeuio 00:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publication 

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message: Does anybody know if the Hollywood Writers' Strike has permanently derailed the Belzebub's Tales film project directed by Peter Jackson, and starring Tom Cruise?Dawud (talk) 09:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's nonsense. Vitalask (talk) 01:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Film?

message: (Prof?) Charles Tart - a well-known transpersonal psychologist, and long-time Gurdjieffian - mentions in a number of his books having been told by (experienced?) Gurdjieff followers that Gurdjieff himself later on decided that his experiment in deliberately making this book somewhat impossible to read had turned out to be a mistaken tactic, a failure - presumably as it turned out that few of his students ever reached the hidden 'bone'.
I don't have Tart's books to hand to check exactly what he says.
The books to look in are 'Living the Mindful Life' and 'Waking Up'.
This seems like an interesting and relevant documented claim to include in this article...
What do you think?
It's great how it muddies the waters ;-)
M
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:I know that Gurdjieff wrote an initial draft that he considered failed, and he rewrote everything.  I would be interested in this source, since my understanding is that Gurdjieff authorized publication of this book 8 days before his death, despite great difficulty moving around.  There does seem to be a pattern with Gurdjieff (even in the story arcs in this book) of attempts at increasing the enlightenment of humanity ultimately failing.
:There's also his desire to have people avoid his teachings, and his propensity for saying non-factual things for whatever reason (I have my opinions, which are largely moot).  There is for example the story of G being pursued by a rich woman who wanted him to teach her.  He required a great deal of money from her, after which he told her he was from outer space.  108.83.178.154 (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add mention of Charles Tart's report that Gurdjieff felt that Beelzebub was a failed experiment? 

message: I tried to neutralize the Revision section, it was obviously two warring points of view plugging their opinions; the facts should be reported regarding each side's opinion & leave it at that.
Ntwarne (talk) 00:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision 

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