Talk:Easy Goer

message: "Like humans, some horses are acutely allergic to bee stings and experience other allergies."
Ki Longfellow put that in in Nov 2006. Makes it sound like Easy Goer died from a bee sting, rather than anaphylactic shock. MMetro (talk) 01:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bee sting

message: Peteski, I have no problems with "muddy". I was less happy with some of the other language used. For instance the paragraph that started "Champion Easy Goer..." Of course he won an Eclipse Award, but so did SS and lots of other horses. Anyway, I've added a couple more citation needed tags. Some of the older tags have been there for a long time. Remember that unreferenced material is always liable to be removed.  Tigerboy1966  08:40, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes

message: Good work on finding sources. I have had to take one out however: . The author of the blog describes EG as a "big red train", but doesn't support the statement that "he was "nicknamed Big Red by his jockey, fans and media".  Tigerboy1966  07:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just watched it: a very interesting and informative interview. Pat Day does indeed call EG "Big Red" twice: at around 3:55 and again at 7:56. I'm sure he knew that this phrase is VERY significant in American racing. The problem with youtube as I said, is that the people who post the material, in this case "Partymanners2" usually aren't the copyright holders. There's a good chance that if you dug deep you could find a legal on-line source which says that Day used the phrase. Good Luck. For formatting links the reflinks tool is here : I have it on my favourites bar. Make sure you choose the "interactive option" and check the "All unformatted links" option. If you use Chrome, you have to click "show preview" before "save changes" otherwise it wont save.  Tigerboy1966  20:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Red 

message: "Easy Goer's 1989 3-year-old campaign is considered by some to be the greatest in American racing history without yielding any year-end championship awards" I think that you would have to say who these "some" were. And those some would have to be reliable, independent sources. The cited source sort of draws attention to the other obvious candidate, EG's sire Alydar.  Tigerboy1966  21:52, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Easy Goer & Alydar

message: The introduction to the article is a preview and highlights of what is to come in the article. There will be some things repeated for further explanations on facts later on. In the 3 year old season section of the article, each individual race can have explanations on facts about each race. Then later in the paragraph, there are facts and explanations on the CUMULATIVE facts about the historical nature of the campaign and races cumulatively. Peteski132 (talk) 03:38, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment:  You need to write a story, not merely parrot a racing chart.  Things like whether the track was slow or "dull" only matter if it somehow was a major factor in the result of the race or the challenge the horse faced.  Equally true is if the track was fast, or wet, or whatever.  Things like a hand ride (as opposed to strong urging) are relevant either as to the horse's overall characteristic style - thus stated once - or if the action was something unusual in a single race - but to say it seven times is just bad writing style.  I stand corrected on the Wood Memorial, but that's a great example of why your boring, dry "facts" without any context constitute poor writing, no one knows why they should care. IDEA: You may want to add a racing chart of all the statistics to the article, as I did for Mucho Macho Man.  You could also add a pedigree chart, an example is also in the MMM article I just linked.  Should be easy enough to copy and paste the syntax and then swap out the facts from the other article and insert the ones for Easy Goer.  Montanabw(talk) 20:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing back and forth

message: Might be a good source for something but it didn't verify the statement it was attached to in the article: *
 
This is a FACT. How is this an OBVIOUS FACT? The FACT is that Easy Goer ran 15 of 20 career races in New York. I would say that is a 'majority' of his races.  The FACT also is that New York prohibited all medications and drugs back in 1988 - 1990 - when EG ran. New York was the ONLY state in the USA that banned all drugs and medications back then. ALL other states allowed them. This article talks specifically about "New York's no-medication rules', and "New York's prohibition of Lasix, etc.'  The Lasix and Bute issue was a HUGE, HUGE issue back then. The article even states this in regards to Alysheba. It was such a huge issue back then with many top horses, including horses like Blushing John, Lost Code, Desert Wine, Snow Chief, Wild Again, Tank's Prospect, Skywalker, King Glorious, Spend a Buck, Capote, Sunny's Halo, The Wicked North, Suave Prospect, Tejano Run, Lil E. Tee, Summer Squall, Best Pal, etc. This is the veritable truth. I will cite more sources. I just inserted various sources for this. Yes they repeat these same facts, but I guess some need many sources. Peteski132 (talk) 13:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please calm down.  The source does not verify that Easy Goer "never ran on drugs" it only verifies that Lasix was banned in New York. It's WP:SYNTH to go too far beyond your sources. Plus how was Easy Goer any different from any other New York runner in this respect? Find a source that says, "Easy Goer never ran on drugs" and your problem is solved.  I was alive in 1989, I remember the fights over use of Lasix; in states where it was legal, there were still more restrictions on it (at least in theory) than there are today.  Ditto withdrawal times for Bute.  My point is that it's even worse now. I'm listing the sources and explaining their problems.  Montanabw(talk) 19:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus, according to this, Easy Goer ran on Bute in the Derby. (and, Sunday Silence ran clean) I'm pitching the whole thing as having failed verification. Here are the rest of the sources. Montanabw(talk) 19:22, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

text: You exceeded the source material and engaged in too much synthesis. That's the issue, that's the only issue, really. If you want to write a more neutral commentary that we've sort of worked out above, and don't overdo it (per WP:UNDUE), it is interesting.  I made an assumption that you are a partisan in the endless Easy-Goer-versus-Sunday-Silence-who-is-more-perfect drama.  If I was wrong in that assumption, I apologize for the "Amazing Miracle Horse" comment.   I actually happen to agree with you that no-drug rules were probably a better way to go than the mess we have today (The rest of the world seems to keep on racing without drugging, I wish we would).  If you want to fix other articles, go for it.  If you want to make this article top-notch, try taking this one to GA-class or FAC.  Montanabw(talk) 10:34, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parking source 

message: So I see all the past discussion here, but end of the day this page is impossible to read and actually get good information out of.
Thinking of just putting all those accomplishments in its own section (like where it says Easy Goer is one of X horses to do Y). 
Probably won't delete much of the copy unless I need to with the format since that was contentious in the past, but its a brutal page to read right now. AfleetAlexsBalance (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going to reformat this page