Talk:Tifa Lockhart/Archive 2

message: BRING IT BACK
:Why? 84.182.113.112 16:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love Section: disappeared 

message: In the history of the Nibelheim incident, someone has given information on there being only 2 MP's in the Shinra group. There were in fact three, one was lost when the ropebride collapsed, Sephiroth stating that they didn't have time to seach for him when Tifa pointed this out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.0.66 (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit needed 

message: So according to Mirlen, he was going to write up a little "test essay" or something involving the koibito information in the Love Section, show it to us and see if it was good so it could be added to Wikipedia. Well, several months have passed by and there's been no sign of that little "test essay" at all.
I can't help but wonder, did Mirlen even plan on writing that at all, or was it all just a little scheme to stop all the drama that was going on? Wouldn't surprise me if it was.
68.43.65.255 03:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actuallly, I do have it saved on my file.  I asked third party sources who were well-knowledged on FFVII (and someone who doesn't support either side of the Love Triangle War) to edit the little "test essay", and they said it was subtly riddled with OR, and that it would be impossible to write such a topic without interpretations and OR.  I decided that at the end, it would best not to post it at all, as I have gotten the same concenus from others.  Part of absence was not due to the fact that I was plotting "a little scheme to stop all the drama that was going on", but due to a wikivacation I had to take because of real life, such as school work and exams.  It was not to avoid you, or to carry out a "scheme."  I'm sorry it took so long for me to respond to this and I understand your impatience, but I wanted to clear up the misinterpretation that I was avoiding you and/or this topic. —Mirlen 22:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love section/Koibito controversy 

message: Who keeps writing stuff that obviously is a violation of a request to keep the Cloud/Aeris/Tifa debates objective? Cause it plain to see that this is only half of fanbase opinion. Keep this off or else I'm blocking the next person that writes it. -Eileen-  
"Another point of interest is that the Japanese version is more romantic towards Cloud and Tifa. This is seen in several scripts in which a very deep connection between them exists, even to a point in which they can hear each other. 
There is also a term, created by the Japanese, for the relationship between these two characters: Cloti. It is a cobination of their names Clo for Cloud, Ti for Tifa. It may be used in several ways such as "I'm a Cloti fan," as long as it remains pertaining to their romantic relationship."
I consider this original research (more specifically, one of many possible interpretations, not necessarily being the one of the creators), and therefore removed it as of Wikipedia:No original research. I'm removing this because of what I said before and your gonna tick off a lot of Cloris fans. Besides there should be no double standard. If nothing can be written bias toward Aeris than that goes for Tifa as well. By the way if by romantic you mean Cloud giving Tifa the cold shoulder than you've been successful. Square Enix isn't stupid, it doesn't want to alienate half of the fanbase by making the Japanese version bias toward Tifa. It's the player's choice. I'm saying this again, keep orginal/fanbase opinions off Wikipedia. Keep it in the forums. Here's a question: If Cloud loves Tifa so much than how come she doesn't know how to communicate with him, (he turns away from her and doesn't answer her question) and Cloud is living in Aeris's church and he wants to ask Aeris for her forgiveness. See, Square Enix has tried to make both sides happy. -Eileen-
You just proved how bias you are with your last paragraph, and my question still wasn't answered. Honestly, if you're going to write two paragraphs in retaliation to what I've written, it might as well be something that, I don't know, DOESN'T DODGE THE QUESTION THAT IS BEING ASKED.
That is all
69.47.126.6 18:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Love

message: During the fight with Loz, it looks like Tifa uses her MeteoDrive Limit Break to throw Loz into the pews. Banjotooie142 19:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Several characters in Advent children use what appears to be their limit breaks in Advent Children (some blatantly, like Cloud's Blade Beam, and some are kinda iffy, like his Finishing Touch or Tifa's Meteodrive); however, as far as I know, none of these were officially confirmed by SE. I'm not sure if this merits a line anywhere in the article though. -ryand 06:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Tifa use her Limit Breaks in Advent Children? 

message: For the most part no, she does not use Limit Breaks. The movie uses her moveset from Ehrgeiz, which included very distinct limit break attacks in-game (performing a hold move on the opponent brought them out), none of which she uses in her fight scene in the film. The sliding kick is just one of her Ehrgeiz attacks, whereas she does also perform a Waterkick in that game. Likewise for things like Dolphin Blow and Meteodrive.
Beat Rush - Any series of punches could be interpreted as this anyway, but shouldn't it be two punches to the midsection followed by a crouching uppercut? I'll leave it to you to look for this during the fight scene.
Somersault - The backflipping kick she does is from Ehrgeiz. Somersault was a separate move which required a grapple; during Somersault she kicks herself off the opponent, whereas her Ehrgeiz backflip attack is just part of a three hit combo. Run and press High Attack three times.
Waterkick - Tifa has a sliding kick in Ehrgeiz, but Waterkick is a sweep. Run and press Low Attack for this slide.
Meteodrive - Meteodrive is a suplex, which she clearly doesn't perform in AC.
Dolphin Blow - Infringingly similar to a good ol' Shoryuken. She doesn't use this in AC.
Meteor Strike - She unmistakably tosses Loz into a pew with this move.
Final Heaven - No way. She wouldn't have time to charge it anyway. 
So in conclusion, Meteor Strike is the only of her seven limit break attacks that actually makes an appearance. The rest are Ehrgeiz moves, or just pure originality to keep us going during a martial arts sequence.
ReloadPsi 14:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limit Break comparison 

message: 75.16.139.81 made this comment in the main article after adding a section about The Advent Children Reunion files. I have moved it here.
this information was stated a long time ago until Aeris fans got angry and erased the factual info of Cloud and Tifa having any relations together. If you dont believe this information is stated if searched in many fan bases 
AntiVan 05:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  75.16.139.81 

message: I added some more to the Love section and I hope that everyone likes it. Cheers. -Eileen-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.121.185.108 (talk) 
:I moved it here.
:It is important to note that Cloud loves both Aeris and Tifa. A conversation in Wall Market is evidence of this, he is overprotective of both girls although they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. Tifa is also Aeris's closest friend, they are always seen talking together when Cloud and everyone travels to a new area, and when Aeris died, Tifa gently touched Aeris's hair and bid farewell to her friend. Also in Advent Children, Tifa can sense Aeris's presence and despite their affections for Cloud, they have eternal friendship.
:I consider this original research (more specifically, one of many possible interpretations, not necessarily being the one of the creators), and therefore removed it as of Wikipedia:No original research. It's not because I don't like it, it's because it is violating the rules. --Yuuki Mayuki 18:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Note

message: Some loon has sabotaged the page and replaced it with nothing but an indecent picture of the character and some gibberish. I managed to restore it, but something has to be done; this isn't the first time I see something like this around here. MARQ 21:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Business as usual in Wikipedia. *sigh* I don't really think the article is vandalised often enough to warrant protection however - most of the vandalisms on such non-mainstream articles is slow-burning... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 13:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempted sabotage 

message: I added in the main page that Tifa is an expert in the Zangan-Ryu martial art. It's given as that in the Ehrgeiz instruction manual, and since her instructor's name is Zangan, I don't doubt it (something to do with the practice of sticking -Ryu after an instructor's name or something if s/he's teaching their own personalised art or whatever; I'm no expert on the subject). Sure, Ehrgeiz takes place in our Earth, not FF7's, plus it's all non-canon but it makes sense. I'd cite Ehrgeiz' instruction manual as the source if I could only find a scan of the blasted thing. Anyone out there able to scan it and upload it as proof? User:ReloadPsi 17:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of Tifa's martial art 

message: Dolly Parton: "...well known for her large bust and low-cut, tight-fitting costumes."
Lara Croft (fictional): "I just wish that when she was taken out of my hands they hadn't made her boobs so big. ” —Toby Gard, [10]
Dirk Diggler (fictional): "Diggler's movies were very popular, possibly due to his huge penis."  (And repeated again in John Holmes article.)
I think we could borrow the phrase from Dolly and apply it to Tifa's introduction.  It's accurate (well known for large bust) and tasteful (tight-fitting costumes), and really nothing anyone should object to.  Plus, we have established precedent that other wiki articles refer to body parts if/when that's what the person or character is famous for.  -  Theaveng (talk) 22:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you cannot source well known, quit adding unsourced information into the article.  You don't even have the actual size of her breast to compare with others by simple math. MythSearchertalk 02:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Don't erase other editors contributions" is the wiki rule.  "Locate a citation" and/or tag it with  is the proper procedure.  -  Theaveng (talk) 12:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The proper procedure is talk about it before making a disputed edit.  The problem is discussed 3 months ago, and is decided by consensus that it should not be there.  If you still cannot provide a citation, the proper procedure is view it as adding in disputed content and reverting the edit.  You have sufficient time to find a citation, not add it in then hope for a citation. MythSearchertalk 12:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I'll go edit the Dolly Parton page.  After all they don't have any actual "proof" that Dolly is well-known for having large breasts.  -  Theaveng (talk) 13:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is better, but you might want to ask for a consensus over there. MythSearchertalk 14:11, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How is "large anatomy" handled in other articles?

message: (Although I bet someone will demand a citation, proving that she's not a child.)  Well at least we can all agree that Tifa is not flat-chested (no breasts).  That should be self-evident even to imbeciles.  -  Theaveng (talk) 17:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you go read WP:RS it is very clear that common non-disputed information could be added, this is mainly a consensus problem.  However, if it is disputed, you need to have a source before you add it in.  Also, if you need source of her being not a child, she is 20 years old in FF VII(8 in the memory scene), and 13~15 in BC(two different plot sections). thus she is definitely an adult in FF VII according to Japanese standards. MythSearchertalk 17:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: At least we know Tifa's not a child

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Easter egg.jpg

message: The current article describes various shared events between Tifa/Cloud as children and young adults.  But.  Later in the game, wasn't it revealed those events were actually Tifa and ZACK (the black-haired soldier)?  I'm fairly certain the storyline revealed that Tifa/Cloud were complete strangers who had never met prior to Cloud's stumbling, confused and riddled with amnesia, into Tifa's hometown.  ----- i.e. Tifa's childhood & young adult experiences were with Zack, not cloud.  -  Theaveng (talk) 13:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Tifa and Cloud are child friends and Zack and Aerith were together.  This is not only in the original story but also in FF VII:BC. MythSearchertalk 14:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm.  Guess it's time to take FF7 for a third playthrough.  -  Theaveng (talk) 16:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Before you go do that again, try to get a guide book and read it, it will be much faster(without the enemy encounters, at least) and also, please read the WP:RS and WP:V to see what kind of sources and citations are reliable.  I can write an online description in wikia and yahoo answers at any time, and I can intentionally add in incorrect information like Tifa and Aerith have lesbianism behaviours or information based purely on my own point of view like Aerith is a better girl than Tifa and may risk no deletion in both of these sites. It might get deleted in wikia, but nobody knows and nobody can be sure that no false information is in those articles, it is pretty much like self referencing I said it in the beginning of the article so it must be true.  Online FAQ and walkthroughs are worse, because there can be no fact checking system other than the writer him/herself.  Here is an example of good citation: In FF VII, Tifa almost always wears a skirt and this is Tifa Style.Final Fantasy VII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, 2007 P.043, Character in FF VII world, Tifa Lockhart, Trivia number 1  It is a primary source and trivia, thus I am not putting it into the article, but this source is official, thus authoritive, and it got fact checking systems well developed since it is edited by a third party company Studio BentStuff.  MythSearchertalk 17:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh. Tifa and Aerith make hot lesbians, tho. :P Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 12:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, guess why I use that as an example? :P MythSearchertalk 17:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, Aerith does nothing for me.  When her famous death scene arrived I thought, "That's it?"  It seemed like no big deal; characters die all the time in good stories.  I honestly didn't see it as the great catastrophe it had been hyped to be.  -----  As for citations, wouldn't the Childhood Tifa/Cloud experiences require sources?  ----  Theaveng (talk) 13:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, it is in game, and it would be plain stupid to source the game N times in the article.  Also. as long as it is not disputed, obvious features does not need to be sourced, like the colour of eyes and hair.  You removal of such things are just trying to prove you point and is disruptive behaviour.  Aerith does nothing for me, too, yes, characters die all the time and most of the time they are my favourite in plot, like Aerith, yet, I am not that sentimental. MythSearchertalk 16:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay thank you.  Also, please review this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#CENSORED  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theaveng (talk • contribs) 17:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

text: You do not understand, this has nothing to do with censorship.  I don't think she got large breast, so do a lot of people here who opposed the inclusion and thus adding in the data required a source.  If you continue to show such disruptive behaviour, I must take further action to seek admin intervention. MythSearchertalk 18:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Theaveng, you  have twice introduced incorrect information of a source trying to fake it contains what your non-neutral original research says, and that information is disputed and by consensus was removed from the article by discussion up there.  You have reverted over 3 times and tried to warn who tried to do the right thing.  Your edits on this page is clearly disruptive and I have placed the warnings on your talk page.  What you have done here is purely assuming bad faith and introducing factual error by faking the source contains what you want.  You have violated WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:OR, WP:3RR and WP:CIVIL.  Please stop, this is wikipedia, not Theavengipedia, you do not own the page, and should follow guidelines on consensus and verifiable, reliable sources with neutral point of view. MythSearchertalk 15:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tifa and Cloud - I thought they did NOT grow up together.