Talk:Tim Johnson (South Dakota politician)

message: This article is crap. There is bias in the language and some of the sentences have nothing to do with him at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.220.238.140 (talk • contribs) 
I agree with you.  What the f*** is up with this article? Jim16
:The edits by 66.234.34.141 belong to me -- apparently I got logged out without noticing. I've rewritten parts of the article and removed some of the extraneous Daschle material which belongs elsewhere, although I think it's legitimate to mention his re-election race's status as a proxy battle between Bush and Daschle here. Unless there's further objection, I'll remove the NPOV notice one week from today. --Polonius 00:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The following comments by Jim16 have been copied here from my talk page. --Polonius 14:40, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The stuff about the proxy battle between George W. Bush and Tom Daschle really doesn't belong there, even though you said it did. Please discuss this on my talk page with me. (Note:  the earlier edit by 66.17.116.148 was actually me because I forgot to sign in.  Have a nice day.Jim16 05:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right; what's your reasoning why not? The fact that it was seen as a proxy battle is not in dispute; noting it here requires one sentence and recognises an important dynamic of his re-election race. Certainly, I wouldn't want to go into more detail than this, but, as it stands, I think it's useful information. --Polonius 14:40, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

text: In the absence of a reply, I'm removing the NPOV warning. If anyone still has a problem, please explain why on this page when you reinstate the flag. --Polonius 19:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: There is a lot of material here to expand on, especially the Senator's recent cancer treatment. If someone could include that information, please do. --Daysleeper47 13:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the health information is out of place near the top of the entry. I also think it's redundant to have it at the top and the bottom of the entry. Perhaps one sentence near the top, stating that Johnson fell ill on December 13, 2006, with a reference to more information in the Health section would be appropriate. Mikehillman 19:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health section 

message: I hope everyone is keeping an open mind and considering that this man was poisioned. It is an age old political trick, see 'I, Claudius' 67.169.214.13 19:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is Wikipedia. Not some nutjob conspiracy site. And I say that as a Democrat. Seriously, the guy had an inherited condition and some bad luck. Get over it. 71.42.68.245 16:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: And we can keep an open mind that he's an alien from mars.  There's no facts saying yes, but there's none saying he isn't, yet.  Conspiracies aside, try to have objective facts.  Speculation can abound, but unless you can provide evidence, such as medical reports and links to biological, chemical, or radiological elements that cause his condition, it's just that.  Wild speculation. 63.95.218.254 16:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poison 

message: Following LightningOffense's edit, I restored the following paragraph:
Senate precedent has seen members serve despite disabling physical illness. Several senators, including Karl Mundt (R-SD), have served out terms while disabled."S.D. Sen. Johnson in Critical Condition", AP, December 14 2006 Others have requested leaves for surgery or illness, which have been granted by the Senate, and the members returned after recovery. In one often-cited instance of a Senator serving despite disability, in 1964 Senator Clair Engle (D-CA), who was suffering from brain cancer, was wheeled into the Senate and pointed to his eye, signifying his vote to end a filibuster against the passage of the Civil Rights ActThe News Hour, Democratic Senator Johnson in Critical Condition, Dec. 14, 2006. Retrieved Dec. 29, 2006. ("eye" is a homophone with "aye", the term used in Congress to signify an affirming vote).
Although LightningOffense believes this paragraph belongs in the United States Senate article, it's not there currently. (Perhaps it should be added to the Senate article.) More to the point, I believe that it's directly relevant to Johnson's current position. Wikipedia readers who want to know about the ramifications of his health situation (and any precedents that might be relevant) are more likely to come to this article than to the Senate article. Let's continue to give them what they want.--HughGRex 11:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph about Disability 

message: The point Michael Moore reference confuses the point.  While it was true at that time that Johnson was the only Senator with a son or daughter in the military, that is no longer the case.  That language probably needs to be tightened up to more strongly reference that the distinction either isn't true anymore, or was true at that point in time.
Perm Dude 22:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While some clarification may be in order, the two sentences when read together are clear that Johnson was the only one with a son in the military "when American invaded Iraq." I've added "at the time" to the end of the Moore reference to make it more clear. However, to my knowledge, Johnson is still the only Senator or with a child serving in the military. The distinction I've always read was that while some members of Congress had sons or daughters in the military, those children served as officers. Johnson holds the distinction of being the only Senator with a child in the enlisted ranks, and by far is the only one with a son directly involved in both the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.Dcmacnut 23:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for adding the clarifying language.  Jim Webb's son Jimmy is currently a Marine lance corporal and served in Iraq after dropping out of Penn State to enlist.
Perm Dude 01:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely forgot about Webb. And I even followed that race closely and knew all about him wearing his son's combat boots.Dcmacnut 02:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I recommend reading and adding the following link:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040913/news_1m13duncan.html
Representative Duncan Hunter has a son that served in Iraq (2003-2004).
Kabulykos
How is any of the "other members of congress have children in the military" specifically relevant to Tim Johnson bio or family info? It just smells like a (now-extremely-dated) attack on Michael Moore's credibility. Off topic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabulykos (talk • contribs) 07:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military offspring 

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