Talk:List of smoking bans

message: The Czech Republic has a partial ban on smoking:
http://www.praguepost.com/articles/2005/07/06/law-on-smoking-sparks-contempt.php
89.102.231.182 20:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier comments

message: I think there should be a separate sub-article for the United States. As of now, most of this one refers to U.S. jurisdictions, and it's also rather difficult to navigate. I'll wait a bit before boldly doing it myself, though. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: it would make it more manageable to split out the US states stuff, particularly as the detail gets down to the level of individual cities. — Matt Crypto 16:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Tis done. Now, shouldn't also there be an article about the proposed ban in England? There's a full story in this article, which maybe should be left for a separate page.  —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 17:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I've gone ahead and done it (see Smoking ban in England). Feel free to categorize, write a good intro, rename, etc. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 12:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S.-centrism 

message: Both articles have the same content: a list of smoking bans, sorted by country. I think it should be merged. --~ ~ James Hetfield (previously Wesborland) ~ ~ 02:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Smoking bans by country 

message: Not sure if this will be of help to you guys, but there's a proposal to ban smoking in North Vancouver at bus stops. Source story: 
--Naisenu 20:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bus stop smoking bans - North Vancouver, BC 

message: Smoking on the platforms is actually usually legal (on the extreme ends), and the ban only stands during rush hours. Smoking inside closed stations is not permitted, nor enclosed platforms. Southsailor (talk) 09:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smoking in Japanese railway stations not illegal

message: Jersey isn't part of the UK.. the sectioning of this article should reflect that. 131.111.24.187 08:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  jersey isn't part of the UK 

message: Perhaps Singapore should be added in? Lotsa bans here. ĞavinŤing 12:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singapore 

message: I've done some grammatical clean-up of the section on the Czech Republic (under "Proposed bans"), but it doesn't seem to distinguish between bills (which are proposals for legislation) and acts (which bills that have passed into law). Could someone check and make any necessary changes? Or, if these terms are POV (they are used in the UK as I have described them), please provide NPOV terms. — Paul G 13:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech Republic 

message: I have added the bans from asian countries, and they always get removed.
Why???? Asian countries has bans too, not only Europe and North America!!
:Because Europe and North America tends to speak more English and are online more, and thus the English version of Wikipedia tends to be a bit Euro-American-centristic. 81.227.3.57 (talk) 00:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that a good explanation for why added Asian bans are removed? Southsailor (talk) 09:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is this list so Euro centric?

message: ok here is a list of some provinces in which is banned smoking in public buildings: Mendoza, La Rioja, Tucumán, San Juan, Córdoba, Santa Fe, Chubut, Salta, Chaco, Neuquén, Tierra del Fuego y Río Negro. i don't know how to post it so, please can somebody do it? JDeus01 04:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok can do, but is there also a website we can get the source from? That-Vela-Fella 09:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=192724&IdxSeccion=100442 is in spanish, also buenos aires was one of the latest in apply the law. JDeus01 17:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More in Argentina 

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message: It would be really nice to have a shaded map showing the different types of bans in place across the world. This map could also have links to the countries so that if you click on the country it takes you to the info on the page. this would be really nice if anyone could do this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.235.168.104 (talk) 09:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Shaded Map of World Bans?

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message: The ban seems not to be enforced at all in Brazil currently, but this information has been removed from the article . I admit that the single reference which I added, a newspaper story saying that people smoke in malls in São Paulo, may not be enough in itself to give credit to such a broad assertion, but I guess it's better to use this reference than to say nothing on the matter and give the wrong impression that the ban is enforced. Artur (talk) 11:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ban lack of enforcement in Brazil 

message: Somebody has taken the liberty to change the intro to
and to re-add the section on Chad on this basis.
There are a few problems with this:
* The article title is List of smoking bans.  Not List of smoking bans and lacks thereof.
* Is this trying to state that no public places whatsoever have their own smoking bans, or merely that there isn't any legislation on the matter?
* If we had a section for every country that doesn't have legislation banning smoking, the article would get very repetitive.  Better would be to list them under a "Countries without statutory smoking bans" section.
* Such statements can easily become out of date, and so would need an 'as of' date in any case.
-- Smjg (talk) 18:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that makes no sense to me also as it's about bans itself, not a lack of them! Until a nation implements one, then it can be added to the list. If the person wants, they can do a sub-list of nations at the bottom that don't have one yet. That-Vela-Fella (talk) 21:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Or lack thereof? 

message: "It is illegal to smoke on all train platforms in England, even if they are uncovered."
It's worth bearing in mind that these platforms are private property, not public places, under English law. Is smoking on them actually against the law, or just against the "rules of admission" set by the train companies?
Note that the Tyne and Wear Metro light rail system in north-east England has banned smoking on all of its trains and platforms (indoor and outdoor) since August 1980, long before the idea of a national smoking ban was even on the radar. 217.155.20.163 (talk) 23:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Got wondering about that, so looked to find a source & did, thus added it in. I'll also change the wording to say "not allowed", since "illegal" does imply it's a law, rather than a policy that was done. http://www.smokefreeengland.co.uk/faq/vehicles.html#train That-Vela-Fella (talk) 07:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Does the ban apply only to National Rail stations, or to tourist railways and the like as well?  The referenced webpage states that ATOC and Network Rail are behind the policy.  From what I can make out, it seems that both of these deal exclusively with National Rail, implying that the statement "Smoking is banned on all railway platforms in England" is inaccurate.  Can anybody confirm the situation here? -- Smjg (talk) 14:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to know that also, but have no idea if those other kinds of stations are also under the same rules & controls within the ATOC and Network Rail groups or if they come under the rules & regulations set by the government. Will have to wait & see till someone does find out and if there is a website that does state it specifically. That-Vela-Fella (talk) 20:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smoking on train platforms in England - illegal? 

message: Of all the pages I've seen here over the years, this is one of the best examples of data that's not collected (in the same format, concision and clarity) anywhere else.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.193.74 (talk) 16:24, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is an outstanding example of centralized info on wikipedia 

message: :The following content deleted from smoking ban may be useful here.  Sandstein  21:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from main article 

message: Smoking indoors in Cyprus will be banned. The parlament just voted the law. It will be enforced on 1.1.2010. The article in Greek: http://www.philenews.com/main/1,1,22,0,12417-.aspx  —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteMagick (talk • contribs) 21:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyprus 

message: This non-smoking fascism has an anti movement, which needs to be mentioned here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.214.250.26 (talk) 22:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Duly noted here, but if source are found, then it may be added to the article. That-Vela-Fella (talk) 20:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: No Contraversy?

message: I'm removing this edit which claims 6,000 pubs have "closed their doors" since the introduction of the smoking ban. While it is technically correct (every pub in Ireland "closes its doors" when it locks up at night!) it is also misleading. Firstly, it implies the pubs in question have ceased trading yet provides no citation to prove this. Secondly, it implies the cessation is due to the effects of the smoking ban but again provides no evidence. And remember, even if it is shown that pubs have closed, this doesn't mean the smoking ban was responsible. Correlation is not causation.
Some quick Googling throws up a claim by the Drinks Industry Group of Ireland (whose neutrality and lack of bias must be called into question) who claim 400 pubs are closing per year. Given that the ban is only 5 years old, that would be a maximum of 2,000 pubs closed. And even then there is no evidence provided to prove the closures are directly attributable to the smoking ban.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.14.112.203 (talk) 11:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing "6000 pubs have closed their doors" (Republic of Ireland) claim. 

message: Are the recent edits by 81.224.132.67 (in the Netherlands section) vandalism? I don't want to interfere with other peoples work, but I have the impression 81.224.132.67 simply doesn't like the Dutch Smoking ban and wants to go back to the the status quo ante. Baltshazzar (talk) 12:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism?

message: In the same vein as the alleged 6000 closed pub doors in Ireland..., I edited the standard tobacco industriy propaganda recently addded to the Croatia section (according to which smoking bans lead to widespread hospitality business failures) into a more balanced form.) Neither the link between a smoking ban and business failures in the hospitality sector nor the extent of these failures are based on sound statistics. The figures most often used by the pro-tobacco lobby stem from (often biased) questionnaires in which business owners are asked to report felt or expected difficulties related to the smoking ban. 
Nonetheless, I don't want to interfere with other peoples honest work and keep WPs neutral point of view, so I haven't suppressed the edit, but simply given it a more cautious phrasing. Baltshazzar (talk) 13:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Croatia / Ban-ralated business failures

message: It says that Denmark's smoking ban is set for revision. The problem is that it says "set for revision in 2009". Well, it's 2010 and I haven't seen a change. Has it been discussed at all? Because, if it hasn't there should be more news on the situation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdisnard (talk • contribs) 17:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The revision of the law was postponed . Also, it is not true that "Freetown Christiania is exempt from the ban". While the ban may not be enforced everywhere in Christiania, it certainly is so in some places, eg. the concert venue Loppen. I have removed the paragraphs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.157.128.95 (talk) 10:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denmark 

message: The color of Austria in the map should be changed to "strong national ban in public areas except entertainment and restaurants, or weak enforcement in indoor entertainment areas". You cannot put it in the same category like Italy and France because laws are completely useless in pubs and restaurants. - Flexman (talk) 22:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Austria 

message: Can anyone explain why India's and other countries' shade of brown isn't on the key at all?  98.168.192.162 (talk) 10:05, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brown On The World Map? 

message: Romania-Beginnig 1 January 2009 a smoking ban law was set nationwide that prohibits smoking in public areas including bars and restaurants with a fines of 2500-5000 RON (600 euro-1200 euro), except if the bar is less than 100 m2, with the condition that the owner declare it to be a smoking establishment. In bigger restaurants and bars it is mandatory to provide an area of 50%, with special ventilation for smoking customers.But the law is poorly enforced, and as most of the bars and restaurants are small the law does not apply to many. Since 1/3 of the population are smokers, the state is trying to reduce the smoking through prices by imposing higher taxes, and warnings on the cigare packages, and forbide advertising in public places with fines of 10 000-50 000 RON (2 500-12 000 euros). In the last 9 years 5% of smokers quit smoking in Romania, and selling tobaco products to youths under the age of 18 is strictly forbiden,
By the law in January 2009, smoking is forbiden in central and local public institutions, public alimentation institutions, in turistic, comercial, educational, cultural, health, sportiv institutions, and all the public transportations, also antostations, rail stations, and airparts, as in work places. However with the exception of delimited spaces special built for smoking inside these institutions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.85.135.188 (talk) 07:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romania-smoking ban 

message: I have looked at the reference for the section regarding Saudi Arabia, where it says:
:"Saudi Arabia has no restrictions against smoking. However, on 20 June 2010, the Council of Ministers urged the General Authority of Civil Aviation (GACA) to ban smoking at all airports and their facilities in the Kingdom on Monday. It also advised GACA to impose a fine of SR200 on people who violate the new regulations"
But I have also read the article cited in the reference for this section (http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article70606.ece) and I think that it means that the decision to ban smoking was made on a Monday (the 21st of June, 2010 [as opposed to the 20th of June, 2010, as cited]) rather than the council deciding to ban smoking from airports, but only on Mondays.
What is the feeling here?
CybergothiChé (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ban smoking on Monday 

message: Poland on 15 Nov 2010 introduced smokin ban in public spaces, transport means, medical facilities, universities and schools, restaurants, discos, pubs and so on.
Why there is a brown shade on the map for example India is marked brow but that color is not linked to any category?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.198.105 (talk) 16:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone updates the map to include Poland, it would also be a great idea to upload the map to Commons if it's possible, and use it from there... It is a very, very good resource, and we would love to include in other wikipedia languages ;-) Thanks! --Cmontero (talk) 17:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an updated image with also the correct colors in Commons  so we should use that one instead... but as the file name is the same, the software uses the one stored in en.wikipedia . How do we link to the Wikimedia Commons in this case? Do we add the tag NowCommons to the WP image page? Thanks. --Cmontero (talk) 14:09, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ADD POLAND AND UPDATE THE MAP 

message: What's that supposed to mean please? (e.g. Italy) 124.147.70.223 (talk) 02:59, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tan color in the map 

message: This page has been moved from its previous title, 'list of smoking bans', for two standard Wikipedian reasons.  The first is that of common name, as although the term 'smoking ban' continues to be used often enough in English speaking news media, it is not the term favoured by organisations involved in forming or applying such regulations - and a colloquialism can be dealt with quite simply through a redirect and a brief mention in the introductory text.  The second, perhaps stronger reason, is to remove ambiguity; 'smoking ban' suggests prohibiting smoking per se, which with the possible exception of Bhutan is almost never attempted in reality, most smoke-free laws regulating simply where one may smoke rather than whether.  This improvement appears uncontroversial to me so I have 'been bold' and made the move, along with other articles covering smoke-free laws - however, if it raises concerns, or if fellow Wikipedians feel the article will benefit from further discussion, this is the place to do it.Hypocaustic (talk) 15:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: New title

message: Which colour is India?
And Italy?
Why isn't it in the legend?
WHY?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.53.27.174 (talk) 10:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  India 

message: If so, I think there should be an indication on the map shown, with supplementing wording in the text box below.
Is this possible for some to ressearch?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.83.52.167 (talk) 21:38, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No there isn't, the furthest the smoking ban goes is the fact that you are illegal to smoke in public places. This is of course what the law is in England. Assisted Reputation (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there no countries where smoking is illegal, completely ? 

message: Lebanon will start implementing the law no. 174 against smoking in closed public places starting the 3rd of September. Here is the official link http://www.tobaccocontrol.gov.lb/Legislation/Documents/Law%20english%20pdf.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.229.114 (talk) 17:50, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanon to ban smoking in closed public places 

message: Is there any country where tobacco is totally banned  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.201.229.207 (talk) 14:35, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tobacco free country 

message: I think the portion of the article regarding Ecuador should be removed since Ecuador does not have any ban and the information provided is not useful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.146.222 (talk) 23:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ecuador 

message: It seemed very odd to read the parenthesised equivalent of UK fines in dollars. If the fine is £50, it's £50. Rates of exchange can vary widely. Tony Holkham (talk) 22:54, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the equivalent in dollars? 

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message: This article was written by contributers who obviously don't have a passport.  Ha Ha!!!  Most of these "bans" are not even enforeced.  Syria??? Syria is busy fighting US sponsored terrorists!  Russia, China, Lebanon, Ukraine, Syria do not enforece these laws.  This article is so heavily biased by "anti-smokers rights" groups.  FYI it is diesel exhaust that causes lung problems not tobacco this has been known for decades.  In June of 2011 the WHO finally admitted it in a press release.
Where is smoking banned outdoors? Please tell us we are dying to know.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:540:C001:7708:6571:3A7F:6E60:B9E2 (talk) 00:28, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
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message: France should go from red to dark brown on the map (Corsica and French Guyana included). I don't know how to update the chart, otherwise, I would have done it. Can anyone help?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB0C:57E:9A00:4487:9419:3351:2ADE (talk) 06:54, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: Size references across the article are inconsistent. Some refer to 'xxm2', others to 'xx square metres' and so on.  I would like to see a common size reference and invite your opinion as to what that should be.  I consider this appropriate ' xxm² ', however others may differ?
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message: Why is France red and not burgundy? The ban seems to cover restaurants and entertainment... Can someone please fix the map? Thanks. 2A02:C7D:DA0A:DB00:90E6:48D3:922A:33FB (talk) 06:17, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  World map seems incorrect for France 

message: << The law had the following aspnects: restriction upon tobacco use in public ,........... >>
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message: It is not enough to simply state the policies of individual countries. This must be qualified by remarks on compliance, which is not simply relevant, but core. On this list, I can immediately see at least five countries I recently visited touting Draconian anti-smoking legislation where one is free, more or less, to smoke in the oncology ward of the local hospital. Hanoi Road (talk) 19:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legislation v. Reality 

message: The map and article contradict each other on France. Which is correct? Mr G (talk) 22:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  France: map and article contradict each other