Talk:Ammon

message: : Well, you start to raise an interesting question (though it doesn't seem to have anything to do with this article). How many definitions of "god" are there? rowley (talk) 16:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many Gods are there 

message: Are there any sources for any of this history that aren't ultimately derived from Hebrew scripture? ⟳ausa کui × 03:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read past the first couple of screens, the article mentions that the Ammonites were known to the Assyrians in their records, and to other neighbouting peoples.  Nobody disputes that the Ammonites or Ammonite language was historical. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 03:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, but I'm trying to find citations for that that aren't from Deuteronomy or whatever. ⟳ausa کui × 18:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a little hint on where to look: "Citations are usually found at the very bottom of the article." ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 19:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Apparently you are. Which claim are you referring to?  That the Ammonites actually existed and were not made up out of thin air? 
Here, I'll make it easier for you to find the links:
Here are some artifacts showing the Ammonite language:
*http://formerthings.com/baalis.htm
*http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/his_testament.html Jordanian Gov't site with info
*http://www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/westsem/citadel.html
The article also notes they are mentioned as living by various historians as Josephus and Justin Martyr, if you read it carefully.
ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 19:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: See also Kurkh Monolith ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 19:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-religious sources for this? 

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message: I was just wondering as i heard that he came about because his mother had him by having sex with her father,Lot, aka incest. And as i heard that if you were in a similar situation like him (having his father also being his grandfather as well!) you might as well have bad and/or severe genetic disorders, and as my father put it, he might as well been a dummy!  So do you think so? Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.243.35.175 (talk) 00:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is as poignantly ironic a bit of discussion commentary as I've ever read in Wikipedia — possibly in the entire Web. rowley (talk) 16:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did you think [[Ammon]] himself ever had any [[Genetic disorder]]s?

message: Quote:
:According to the biblical account, Genesis 19:37-38, both Ammon and Moab were born to Lot and his two daughters in the aftermath of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and collectively the Moabites were referred to as the children of Lot. 
Don't you mean that, collectively, BOTH Ammonites and Moabites were known as the Children of Lot? rowley (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure that's what was meant. It's fixed now. Thanks. SamEV (talk) 19:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "collectively"

message: The dictionary is not a reliable source for ancient history. Please find something better. causa sui× 21:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historicity 

message: I removed the “In Islamic traditions” section which stated: “In Sudan, there is a Muslim tradition that the Ammonites are found in Jabal Barkal. They are the descendants of 'Ammūn (Ammon) the son of Nabi Lūt ("Prophet Lot").” This statement is unsourced and seems to be based on an error (i.e. that of conflating the descendants of worshipers of Amun an ancient Sudanese/Egyptian god with the nation of Ammon, a people who worshiped the god Milcom/Molech and occupied an area east of the Jordan river).         
BrooklynHabiru (talk) 14:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of 'In Islamic traditions' section 

message: Arik1111 (talk) 19:44, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  what about the time when Babylon ruled? 

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message: In the recent revert, User:יבריב changed the first letter of the name "Ammon" to  Ô in modern Hebrew. The argument given by the editor is, "This is patach qatan, it makes an “aw” sound, which ‘ô’ transliterated in IPA." 
What? Is there some kind of patah qatan in modern Hebrew that I somehow missed learning about? Does any source, ever, use ô to represent patah?  Alephb (talk) 01:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patah Qatan 

message: The discussion is more advanced at Talk:Edom#Territory: historical evolution; map deeply flawed and had also been started at Talk:Moab#MAP is so bad. The map is SO substandard, flawed and misleading that it absolutely needs to be removed. The WP user is better off without. Arminden (talk) 13:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map is beyond repair 

message: "Ammon...nation...occupying the east of the Jordan River, between the torrent valleys of Arnon and Jabbok...maintained its independence...10th to 7th centuries BCE." Says the text. The map however shows all the Jordan Valley there and even a stretch of the plateau to the east as part of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) - in 830, so in the 9th c. BCE! Either the deifinition of Ammon is wrong, or the map. Both can't be right. And that's a fundamental flaw, which renders the article useless, as one is left wondering if to believe anything at all. Arminden (talk) 01:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map contradicts the text, article useless 

message: "The Ammonites received little historical mention from contemporaries through the Persian and early Hellenistic periods.[citation needed]"
It is impossible to cite non-existing sources. Whomever asked for citation needs to remove the citation needed, please. This is similar to double-negative. One cannot prove a vacuum. I have no ownership of this article. This is merely a humorous distraction to the reader. 67.233.183.5 (talk) 17:34, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: All one needs to support a statement such as this is a scholarly source saying as much. Since that is clearly absent, I have removed the offending passage. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:02, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing non-existing citations