Talk:Famous for being famous

message: How and why is this article a stub? There's only so much you can say about some things. Zebraic 22:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub?

message: * Yoko Ono
* May Pang
* Lisa Marie Presley
* Ron Reagan
* Mark Furman
* Billy Carter
* Monica Lewinsky
* Reverend Wright
* Joe the plumber
BillyTFried (talk) 02:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yoko Ono is notable in her own right. She was an artist before meeting Lennon, and would be notable had she not met him. Would she have been a household name otherwise? No, but by the definition given in the article, this would not apply to Ono. Being a household name because of an association with someone else does not necessarily render a person "famous for being famous", as Ono is notable in her own right. Let's not allow mostly racist and sexist attitudes towards Ono trump common sense (not to mention that WP:BLP very much applies in this case). freshacconci talktalk 15:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Notable <> Famous. Ono is famous because of her husband not her artwork or music.BillyTFried (talk) 20:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

text:  Tama Janowitz is another person on whom this label has been hung. I remember an article in Spy magazine which implied that the reason her first book was published was due more to her fame on the nightclub circuit than due to her previous publishing history. (That is, "everyone" knew she was a writer, even though she hadn't published all that much, which led an editor to "discovering" her.) However it's been so long since I've even thought about her that I can't readily provide any specific citations where she is described as "famous for being well-known". -- llywrch (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some others? 

message: Primarily famous for being the subject/object/part-author of a 2003 sex tape? OK. Famous for her role in The Simple Life? If you insist. But primarily famous for being the grand-daughter of Barron Hilton? He has 23 grandchildren -- are the others also famous?
:Our "source" didnt even mention her grandfather and it wasnt a reliable source to begin with, so I removed it altogether. -- The Red Pen of Doom 18:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How about readding her based on an entertainment section article in Arabian Business "her chief achievements seem to be that she is slim, stupid, and swimming in cash." -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I can't believe her mentioning is even debatable... she's the very symbol of the "celeb disease", which this article is all about. InQuahogNeato (talk) 16:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paris Hilton is "Primarily famous for being the rich grand-daughter of Barron Hilton"?[[Special:Contributions/24.4.255.3|24.4.255.3]] ([[User talk:24.4.255.3|talk]]) 16:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

message: I think that being the son of a President disqualified him from being "famous [solely] for being famous." 128.135.229.74 (talk) 17:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  He's cited by Salon as being "famous for being famous".  His fame and celebrity rose above what one would normally expect of a presidents son, though of course his fame originated from it.--Work permit (talk) 02:53, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  JFK Jr. 

message: It says "Famous for having a big ass and a sex tape" which doesn't really sound... right. :P Someone want to fix this? (I'm not sure exactly what it should be changed to, and I have no idea who she is)--69.24.178.132 (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:22, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kim Kardashian 

message: The term is traced back to Boorstin.  I restored the deleted paragraph and added more references.--Work permit (talk) 01:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boorstin 

message: FBF without Pia Zadora?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.183.190 (talk) 00:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puhleeze! 

message: I would hardly consider Jessica Simpson "Famesque" according to this article's definition. It clearly states on her page "She has achieved seven Billboard Top 40 hits, three gold and two multi-platinum Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) certified studio albums, four of which have reached the top 10 on the US Billboard 200."
If that is considered achieving very little, then I don't know what is considered a lot anymore. Scope000 (talk) 17:06, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jessica Simpson 

message: It would be interesting to mention possible causes for this social phenomenon and how it varies from culture to culture (and even through time). I don't know where to start searching for reliable sources on this but it would be interesting. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 17:28, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation for causes of this phenomenon 

message: A list of "famous" people has been added to this article. I am curious about the criteria for inclusion (or rather, criteria for exclusion) that might keep this list at a manageable size and able to be managed by interested editors. I should say that we will require a reliable secondary source to explicitly denote each one of these list members as famous for being famous or a similar description. What else? Elizium23 (talk) 20:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the wording and tone of the section as I re-examined it in the editor, I have removed it entirely. There was no call for profanity or violation of WP:NPOV. If you intend to restore it, every single one of the entries must have a WP:RS attached and the wording must be neutral. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 20:06, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some examples 

message: In the current state, the examples given are all female and are all famous within the English-speaking world. We could do with some international examples and I think we especially need to balance the gender inequality a little bit. Or, if that's not possible, it should be explained via references. I don't really follow celebrities, but I assume the "famous for being famous" thing applies just as easily to guys as gals. Any suggestions? Matt Deres (talk) 17:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples 

message: The word appeared again in a 1985 Newsweek article about New York City's clubland celebrities, focusing on the lifestyle of writer James St. James, Lisa Edelstein, who was named New York City's "Queen of the Night" by St. James and who was referenced briefly in his 1999 book Disco Bloodbath, and Dianne Brill, who was crowned "Queen of the Night" by Andy Warhol.
If you can parse that on a quick first pass (without the bold text), you're a better (hu)man than I. 
A couple of semicolons help to put lipstick on an excessively subordinated pig: 
The word appeared again in a 1985 Newsweek article about New York City's clubland celebrities, focusing on the lifestyle of writer James St. James; Lisa Edelstein, who was named New York City's "Queen of the Night" by St. James and who was referenced briefly in his 1999 book Disco Bloodbath; and Dianne Brill, who was crowned "Queen of the Night" by Andy Warhol.
* Famous for being famous: Difference between revisions — edit from 23 July 2018
Before the modification: 
The word appeared again in a 1985 Newsweek article about New York City's clubland celebrities, focusing on the lifestyle of James St. James, Lisa Edelstein and Dianne Brill, who was crowned "Queen of the Night" by Andy Warhol.
Easily comprehended in this version.
I could do the semicolon thing, but I'm going to simply revert this to the original sentence without the added material, which doesn't strike me as all that important. 
If someone wants to add this material back in a more elegant way, feel free to fill your boots so far as I'm concerned. — MaxEnt 22:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence over-endowed as only a tabloid journalist could love 

message: Pretty sure that they are the most well-known celebutantes of our time. They have often been called "famous for being famous" and having "no talent". They were previously also included in this article, but someone decided to delete it. Probably vandalism. So, I added them back with different, more recent, and more reliable sources.
MrUnoDosTres (talk) 06:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kardashian-Jenner family