Talk:Python (programming language)/Archive 2

message: Are u sure this article is in proper categories? Liso 10:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Monty Python]] 

message: This is "Mac Classic" rather than "Mac OS" for a reason.  "Mac OS" includes the two disjoint subsets "Classic" and "Mac OS X".  "Mac OS X" has already been listed as one of the most popular platforms Python runs on; now "Mac Classic" is listed as another platform it runs on.  OK? 
::No. Classic is the compatibility environment within Mac OS X. There is no such thing as Mac OS Classic. There is Mac OS 9, Mac OS 8, etc. Please check the name in http://www.apple.com before inventing new names :)
:::Mac Classic is not an official name, no.  However, it is a name widely used to refer collectively to those versions of the Macintosh OS prior to Mac OS X, something you might have discovered if you had checked what "Mac Classic" linked to before you altered the link.  Care to correct the mistaken impression the passage now gives? -- Antaeus Feldspar 21:37, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would not use a widely used mistake here - only the official names. About older version then Mac OS 9, I don't know if they are supported. As far as I know, Python support Mac OS 9, and even that support is not complete or was problematic. Anyway, if older version are supported, we can use "Mac OS 9 (with some support for older versions)" or similar text. --Nir Soffer 07:18, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supported Platforms: Mac OS 

message: I remove the sentence about the MacPython IDE, which was wrong. It belong to a section about IDEs and editors, if we need one. --Nir Soffer 07:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Python IDEs and editors 

message: I wish to mention that Stackless Python has not supported continuations since early 2002, as I explain in Talk:Stackless_Python. Maybe Section 6, Other Features should be updated. --Lenard Lindstrom 18:47, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the mention.  --Piet Delport 11:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuations gone from Stackless Python 

message: I've made a couple of changes to the Web references section that I hope aren't stepping on any toes, but if anyone disagrees I'll put my rationale here and we can discuss:
*Sublist for python.org links - I agree that these are useful to hightlight the wiki and doc page.   I've never seen a second-level list used for this in WP, but I think it's clearer so that someone who's already scoured python.org and is looking for other sites can easily jump to non-python.org links.   Ditto Vaults of Parnassus.
*Removal of past doc versions - I don't see that this merits highlighting.   /doc is useful to everyone who cares about Python; /doc/versions.html probably isn't, and for those who do care it's linked fairly conspicuously from /doc.
*Addition of Cheese Shop - This is a very important python.org subdivision so I think it bears emphasis.
*Move of wiki to top of sublist - I think giving other subject-matter wikis emphasis, when such wikis are active and informative, is a good idea.   
*Move of wiki page PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips - I'm not crazy about listing this among all the possible wiki pages, but someone thought it merited inclusion so that's fine.   However, I moved it to be with the wiki.   Thought about making a third-level list, but with only one item that seemed overkill.
Please let me know of any disagreement.  Thanks, PhilipR 14:48, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tweaks to python.org links 

message: An editor added this text:
:Guido van Rossum has stated that the next major release of Python will no longer support functional programming constructs such as lambda, map, filter or reduce, the rationale being that map and filter are equivalent to list comprehensions in power, lambda is irrelevant with the advent of nested functions, and that reduce is incomprehensible to the majority of programmers who do not have a functional programming background.
However, this idea of removing lambda/map/filter/reduce has been floating around since at least Python 1.5.2.  It's always been suggested as something that "many people would like", but I have never seen an actual pronouncement on this (except in the hypothetical context of the great, incompatible, Python 3000; that's a half joking way to talk about some distant future).
If the editor can provide a citation to a specific statment by GvR, I'm fine with including that.  Otherwise, it's just speculation. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 05:49, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Python 3000 is everything but dead. There's been plenty of discussion and updates to PEP 3000 in the last few months. Fredrik | talk 10:54, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Update: Guido has more or less officially given up on finding a replacement syntax for lambda; PEP 3000 has already been updated. --Piet Delport 13:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of functional builtins? 

message: Pythonistas who are WP editors might be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Mertz.  Yeah, that's me under a non-Wikipedia name; but I think my noteriety is most significant in the Python community.  Folks who know (of) me could "do me a solid". 
Btw. While we're at it, we could really use articles Tim Peters (computer guy), Alex Martelli, Mark Pilgrim, Fredrik Lundh, Uche Ogbuji, Cameron Laird, and others whom I'm forgetting just now. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 06:03, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor vanity 

message: First of all, my congratulations for the Pythonists for such an interesting and enlightening article about Python. 
I'm considering to extend the text on the object-oriented side of Python to include the class notation.  Some comparisons of Python's features with the ones from C++ and Java may help enlight the newcomer to Python. 
I'm afraid the article will become a little too long. Should a new article be started to discuss this ? 
Regards, --Hgfernan 17:31, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As Lulu of the lotus eaters suggests above, that would fit into a comparison if one is made. I think its also mentioned in wikibooks:Python_Classes. Epl18 20:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shouldn't a little more on class notation be presented?

message: I've added reference to Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines which uses python for scripting. Because the game is based on Valve's Source engine used in Half-Life 2, I'm not sure if this is specific to the Vampire game, or is it part of the engine. If someone knows the latter is true, please change my addition to reference the engine instead of the mentioned game. --Arny 03:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: About Python use in videogames

message: I would rather avoid listing text editors in this already over-long article.  It's extremely peripheral to the topic of Python as a programming language that some particular text editor (or IDE, inasmuch as there is a difference) happens to have some bindings to customize it for Python.  In most cases, editors likewise have bindings for many other languages.  Some other article on "programming editors" or the like would be a more appropriate place to list such things. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 03:29, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text editors/IDEs 

message: The section "Logical operators" is hard to understand to me. I'm new to Python though I know a handful of other languages quite well. I'll check back once I know Python better. Benni B. 00:43, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is far too technical for an encyclopedia article. The enumeration of false values, for instance, is entirely inappropriate here -- it's sufficient to say that all zero numeric values are false, without listing every possible zero literal! If I weren't in a rush I'd pare it down right now. --FOo 05:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section "Logical operators" incomprehensible 

message: I was trying to trim the section on projects that use Python, especially now that there's a spam warning. I think game systems are overrepresented, so I wanted to leave what seemed to be the most notable examples. OpenRPG only has a stub for a Wikipedia article. Solipsis sounds highly experimental and not used yet. So those are the ones I took out. Was I wrong? rspeer 18:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project links