Talk:Halloween/Archive 2

message: I have put back the link to animatedhalloween.com. This site features "safety tips" for both children and parents. It is appropriate material for the enyclopedia as with the holiday come certain dangers. Please do not remove this public message.
:Wikipedia is not an open forum; so-called "public messages" tend to be removed if not useful. If there is evidence of trick-or-treating being dangerous (and I don't dispute it either way), please do edit the article to add factual information - and remember to cite your sources. Rob Church Talk 10:56, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This editor,  was spamming links over a number of pages, often with blatant advertising text on them. I've removed this one as with all the others, whether it be called a "public message" or not. Shimgray | talk | 01:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Inappropriate external link

message: I remove a reference in the first paragraph about how  Michael Jackson enjoys dressing up on Halloween with children. I'm not saying it wasn't funny, just not appropriate for an encyclopedia.
:That was vandalism. Rob Church Talk 10:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Inappropiate Content

message: Can somebody please make the foods part readable again? Superdude99 11:36, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The (foods) Part (of this article) Uses (has) an abnormal amount (too much) brackets (()

message: Salem, MA makes the same assertation (or used to), and has a little more of a reasonable background for it.
:Anoka, Minnesota does claim to be the Halloween capitol of the world, with two parades (one on Friday involving costumed school children, and another on Saturday with fire trucks, marching bands, floats, etc).  From what I heard growing up there, city leaders decided to make a large public celebration of Halloween to prevent teenaged hooligans from causing trouble.  This was in the 1910's - 1930's somewhere I think.  But it is a self-proclamation on the city's part, and could be contested I suppose. -- BlueCanoe 23:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The official website of Anoka's Halloween celebration talks about the history of the holiday in Anoka: "Anoka, Minnesota is believed to be the first city in the United States to put on a Halloween celebration to divert its youngsters from Halloween pranks. In 1920, George Green and other Anoka civic leaders suggested the idea of a giant celebration." -- BlueCanoe 00:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Anoka, MN Halloween capital of the world?

message: User:83.70.253.133 edit removing "sacrificial" indicates ceremonial bonfires were not sacrificial.  Some story tellers indicate bonfires were sacrificial - the burning of crops and animals.  Does anyone have historical info. to support this?  Ariele 02:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed that (s) word for 2 reasons. Some contributors are going back far too far into historic mists of time.  Never heard of "sacrificial" bonfires in Ireland, in any case the Brehon laws proscribed any such practices, and the Brehon Laws are about 2000 years old. Secondly, better to leave out such a frightful reference unless absolutely sure, one never knows what impressionable young person might be reading such notions. To me, Halloween was always a fun night out for children and young teenagers.83.70.40.121 21:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Celtic Samhain's Bonfires

message: Whats the official consensus- do we participate in this halloween? Sure, we all know about it, but I've only ever seen two kids EVER actually going around houses, in costume, asking for lollies (in suburban Brisbane, Australia, anyhow). Opinion? --Rilstix 12:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it is celebrated in NZ at the same level as Australia celebrates it.--James Bond 03:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia & NZ - we celebrate it?

message: I really want to say that the segment in this article about Halloween in norse traditions is complete and utter nonsense. Halloween / Samhain has absolutely nothing to do with norse traditions WHATSOEVER. The equivalent to Halloween / Samhain in norse traditions is called åsgårdsreia and occurs during yuletide. The american Halloween tradition has now almost obliterated our own traditions of Julebukk (somewhat similar to trick or treat). 
Again, I want to strongly suggest the connection to norse traditions be left out. For refences, see a Norwegian encyclopaedia (which also shows pictures of our now almost lost traditions, thanks to the "commercial Halloween"): http://www.caplex.no/web/Magazine.aspx?id=Juletid SWA 19:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Norse Hallowen"

message: Why has this page been protected? Could an admin please unprotect it.
:In all likelihood, it's because it is Halloween today, and well-intentioned guests (and Wikipedians) with a little too much time of their hands might try a few tricks. LD 21:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: I have never came across anything linking the elf blot to Halloween traditions in my readings about Norse myth and tradition, not in my (admittedly less extensive) meetings with Scandinavian neo-asatru people, and the American asatru sites doesn't seem to do any linking between the two either. And it's not mentioned in History and folklore of Halloween that the section refers to as its main article. I'm going to edit this part unless someone can pull up a good source linking old Norse beliefs and Halloween. Amphis 02:57, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More on the Norse stuff

message: Yes, folks you read it in Wikipedia:
:Similar festivals of the dead have been found in native cultures widely separated by time and geography. These have been theoretically linked to the events of the Deluge of the Biblical book of Genesis. Source material: the book "The Worship of the Dead", by Colonel J. Garnier, published in London in 1904.
Too silly to struggle over --Wetman 02:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's probably good for a mention on the Bad Jokes and Deleted Nonsense (or whatever it is called) page. DreamGuy 05:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Halloween observances as a "proof' of the Biblical Deluge!

message: This article seems to have more external links than perhaps it should per WP:EL.  I removed the following as either duplicatig the intent of the article (and possibly less comprehensively, the article is good), or being very localised.
*All Hallows Eve, Halloween's Christian Roots from American Catholic
*History Channel Halloween Exhibit
*Hallowe'en in Kilmarnock and Loudoun
It also seems to me that national traditions should be covered in the article or in separate articles, not via external links. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 10:40, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links