Talk:List of Hungarian Jews

message: There is no official information divulging that Alanis Morrissette is Jewish, but there are clues that she may be Jewish descent. She got her surname from her father, a French Canadian, but her mother was a Hungarian immigrant to Canada named Georgia Mary Ann Feuerstein. That's a Jewish surname, and certainly not a Hungarian one. And if her mother's Jewish, she is as well. The only other possibility is that Alanis's mom is a Hungarian of German descent, but if that's the case, why don't any sources say so? My hunch, especially since everyone I've ever heard of with the name Feuerstein has been Jewish, is that Alanis's mom was a Jew whose family wanted to keep a low profile due to anti-Semitism. But this is only a theory that so far remains unverified in any official source.
Can anyone confirm this? Maybe, you, Alanis??Barmispain (talk) 10:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Alanis Morissette

message: This list has female actresses listed as actors. Someone correct this. 205.174.22.28 04:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Actress, not Actor

message: Unless someone can confirm that Steven Brust is Jewish, I'm removing him (especially given all the Christian Mythology in 'To Reign In Hell') -Udzu 09:30, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Steven Brust

message: Can anyone please confirm if the acclaimed contemporary writer Péter Nádas is of Jewish descent? This certainly appears to be so from apparently autobiographic elements in his novel: 'A Family Story'.
--RCSB 30 April 2005
I asked the same question and found in this article that Nadaz is Jewish.  http://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/nov/11/peter-nadas-parallel-stories-review  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.191.250.61 (talk) 18:38, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Péter Nádas

message: Jinfo fails to provide a source for Olah, in fact, there is much "assuming" as the following is said about him:
"He states "I do not want to relive here in any detail some of my very difficult, even horrifying, experiences of this period, hiding out the last months of the war in Budapest.  Suffice it to say that my parents and I survived."  That statement is the closest he comes to identifying himself as being Jewish.  Nearly everything in the book is consistent with an upper middle class Hungarian Jewish background, with the exception of his attendance at the Gymnasium of the Piarist Fathers, a Roman Catholic teaching order."
As it is obvious we are dealing with assumptions here, it is safe to say Olah should not be listed on this page nor have categories attached to him based solely on assumptions. 70.146.15.71 18:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On Olah, jinfo gives a source that says very clearly that he was Jewish: "Yet for months thereafter our Jewish classmates could still attend our Catholic high school and, after the interruptions of the 1944-45 winter, graduated there.  (One of them, Mr. George Olah, now an American citizen, just received the Nobel prize a few years ago and went back to visit his old school with pride.)"  And "While Freud would regularly confirm to his Jewish colleagues like Karl Abraham and Sándor Ferenczi"  (Needs a subscription, but the relevant words are visible on a Google search.)--Newport 21:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: George Olah

message: Wikipedia works by WP:V and WP:NOR.  We report what reliable sources say.  In the case of Eva and Zsz Zsa Gabor, the Israel News Agency says that they are Jewish, so we report that.  Nobody is saying that they aren't Catholic as well; if a reliable source says that they are Catholic, they can go in a list of Hungarian Catholics as well.  To assert that they are not Jewish because their father wasn't, or because they or some relative practise another religion, clearly breaches WP:NOR.  It can equally be argued that because their mother was Jewish, they are undoubtedly Jewish in orthodox Jewish law, but I am not relying on that. --Brownlee 20:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Gabors 

message: I have no objections to tidying up the list by re-arrangement and the addition of extra categories.  I have the strongest objection to the removal of undoubted Hungarian Jews, even rabbis.--20.138.246.89 11:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I ask again, why are you reverting? What "undoubted Jews" are permanently removed from this list as you claim? Once again, the only name to be removed is Albert Ehrenstein as he was born and lived in the Austrian Empire and is an Austrian. . You cannot revert a users edit without good reason, because otherwise it comes off as a personal attack. You also cannot remove s without first finding a source. 72.144.139.35 04:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up? 

message: Also to any further contributions, before adding names to this list that do not explicitly state in their wikipedia articles that the person is Jewish or Hungarian, you need a source per the following established note:
<--When adding names to the list, please include a reliable source that explicitly describes the person added as "Jewish" or "Hungarian Jewish" (or a source where the person describes themselves as such) - not their father, mother, etc., in accordance with the Wikipedia:No Original Research policy.-->
Thanks. 72.144.139.35 05:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: All new additions without articles need sources

message: I have reverted changes by 72.144.139.35. I understand there's a disagreement as to who should or should not be on this list. Please build consensus before making changes, as is required by Wikipedia policy, see WP:CON. Thank you. -- Steve Hart 03:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Steve Hart. Observing the changes implemented, it can be seen that no names were removed from the previous version except Albert Ehrenstein who was an Austrian, not Hungarian per given references above. Furthermore it has recently been established that one cannot add or subtract names from a list without references or (in the case of subtraction) lack-of references. Otherwise, clean-up and organization can be implemented per WP:BOLD. If there is a dispute over the addition of substraction of a name, please revert to a version before the change in question rather than a whole-sale revert. Also, for future reference, when asking for a NPOV consensus, a moderator typically should revert to a version that was not edited by either of the users in the conflict. Thanks. 72.144.68.74 16:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi. There's a broader discussion at Talk:List of German Jews, I'm replying over there -- Steve Hart 19:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reach consensus before making changes 

message: There is a citation for Bela's mother being a non-Jewish German. His first language was even German, so this has significance. If Encyclopedia Judaica say's that Bela's mother was Jewish as well, please "quote" that sentence and use it as a source for removing the statement about his father being Jewish. In which case, we will need to find a third source indicating which is the truth. Anything else can easily be interpreted as a violation of WP:CITE. Numerous figures who are only partially Jewish in origin have articles in Encyclopedia Judaica. This makes absolutely no conflict with the previous edit. 141.213.211.81 10:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone is Jewish if a reputable source says they are Jewish and no reputable source says explicitly that they are not.  Anything else violates WP:NOR.  In particular, the languages they can speak are irrelevant to whether they are Jewish.  As 141.213.211.84 well knows, the fact that Encyclopedia Judaica includes an article on someone is an explicit statement by its editors that they regard the person as Jewish; no further citation is needed.--20.138.246.89 11:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The source says only his father was Jewish explicitly. Haven't you lectured on how it is wrong to not note was a source says? So Encyclopedia Judaica does not include articles of people who are partial in Jewish origin? This is an ethnicity list, not simply a cultural or religious identity list (we don't even know if Bela was religiously or culturally Jewish). 141.213.211.81 11:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Done; well spotted.--Runcorn 22:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources Dispute

message: Istvan Remenyi Gyenes wrote that Gyula Halász was Jewish because they said he was another non-Magyar emigrant photographer. This was a mention of his Armenian background and not any Jewish. Gyenes said that Gyula Halász was mentioned in the Magyar Jewish Lexikon. This was another Gyula Halász, one born in a dozen years before Gyula Halasz, Brassai. I put the statement in the edit summary box and have removed him from this page. Here is the page with the other Gyula Halász  http://mek.oszk.hu/04000/04093/html/0348.html
:This is original research.  We have a reliable source that Brassai was Jewish, and Wikipedia goes by what reliable sources say.--20.138.246.89 12:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed your edits because you are mistaken. Gyula Halász, Brassai, is not the same Gyula Halász of Istvan Gyenes, and there is a statement from the Magyar Zsido Lexikon revising the error which I had placed in the edit summary. I wish you would pay greater attention in the future. Also, if you do not read Hungarian you can read either Gyula Halász's Letters to Parents or Roger Grenier's biography of Gyula Halász. I believe they should confirm this for you. Here is also a link http://mek.oszk.hu/04000/04093/html/0348.html for you to sift through the lexikon and see for yourself. It is also true that you may notice comments on the journalist article that point out the mistake. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.92.18.12 (talk) 14:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gyula Halász

message: This link in the External links section does not exist:
http://zsidlex.extra.hu/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.236.67.235 (talk) 20:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad link 

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Reference named "google1":
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 23:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of Hungarian Jews]] 

message: I am adding Gabor A. Somorjai, the father of modern surface-chemistry and leading world expert on catalytic effects of metal surfaces, to the list of scientists and inventors.  BUT, he is now American, although BORN IN Hungary.  Is that appropriate for this list?  If not, delete him. It's up to you, masters of the Wikiverse.  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 06:58, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Gabor A. Somorjai 

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