Talk:Monterrey Institute of Technology and Higher Education

message: I have incorporated the ITESM to the wikiproject "Universities" please respect the basic structure of it. You are free to improve / make changes within each section. The basic structure contain this sections: 
*History -- Describe the history of the college/university, including noteworthy milestones in its development.
*Campus -- Describe the overall shape and size of the campus. Mention any famous buildings and their architects. This section could be expanded to include satellite campuses:
*Organization -- Mention the administration, including leading officials. If this college/university has a special organizational structure, such as a residential college system, then it should be mentioned here. Then, in bullet point form, list the schools, colleges, etc. of this university. If appropriate, also list the faculties and departments at the university. If there is a special course system or requisites for enrollment, mention them here, too. If the university is part of a larger system (as in University of California), mention this connection and provide requisite links.
*Students and faculty -- State the number (and any other useful statistics) of the students. Distinguish between undergraduate, graduate and postgraduate students; also state the number of faculty members. Distinguish between tenure/nontenured, full- and part-time (if possible).
*Sports, clubs, and traditions -- Mention the sports team(s) of the college/university and what is notable about them. Here is also a good place to mention specific traditions of the college/university, like students' union activities, a student newspaper, fraternities, regular activities, etc. The heading may be changed accordingly in regard to the importance of sports, clubs, traditions, students' unions etc. For example, alternative headings could be Students' Union, Sports and Traditions or Students' Union Activities.
*Noted alumni -- Bullet list of Alumni that are notable/famous. Mention the graduation date and degree and give a short description why they are famous.
*Noted faculty -- Bullet list of active and former members of faculty that are notable. If they are alumni/alumnae, mention them here in parenthesis, including the degree and graduation date. For all give a short description why they are famous.
*External links -- Give a link to the website of the college/university, preferable in the English language.
We look forward for your contribution with this article. Just remember to keep the standard as much as possible. --148.223.48.114 14:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that a while ago, a user deleted the criticism section argumenting that "it wasn't in the scope of Wikiproject Universities". However, the section is within the scope of the subject matter: the ITESM. Thus, it should remain and be maintained, as long as it is referenced. Hari Seldon 17:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ITESM is now in the wikiproject Universities

message: We have lots to do with this article. We need to try to keep it to the wikipedia university standards. I have added the header above so we can follow some rules and improve this article. Please respect each other opinions and please support with a respectful source your contributions. Hdpercar 19:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Respect and standard

message: Shouldn't this be renamed 'Instituto Tecnológico y de Estudios Superiores' instead of its acronym, ITESM? Gflores Talk 22:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Same as most :Category:Universities and colleges in Mexico. --Vizcarra 00:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable. --Spangineer (háblame) 22:18, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Anonymous: I agree Hari Seldon 05:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: move?

message: "The ITESM has over 7,600 teachers, of which 99% hold a degree superior to the one they are teaching" I got my bachelor's degree at the ITESM and unfortunately, I can demonstrate that 99& of the teachers, have exactly the same degree they're teaching. So this is just a form of propaganda.
"Research is one of the priorities of the ITESM, and many important Mexican researchers find their home here." As you can see, if you read carefuly, you'll find out that the words clearly demonstrate that the article was written from someone at the ITESM as a form of propaganda. Of course, this is not the only phrase that emphasises it.
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: I'd like discuss the fact that most of the teachers have a higher degree. I also achieved my bachelor's degree at ITESM recently and I had the chance to see many changes in the system including that statement on the article. New recruited teachers must have a higher degree and many who doesn't comply with such requirement are being instructed on one. I agree with you they arent 99% by this time but i guess it's gradual, so we ought to state that instead of the propaganda you mention.
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:The "99% discussion" is fairly biased if you attended ITESM as a foreign exchange student, in which case many teachers in the international programs department (teaching Spanish to foreign exchange students)do not have more than a bachelor's degree (licensiado/a).  I have no doubt that the "actual courses" at ITESM, for degree-seeking students, fall within the 99%.
:Fluency in English is required to graduate from ITESM, by passing the TOEFFL at a particular score which varies depending on one's major.  The large campuses(Monterrey, Mexico City, Guadaljara) have foreign language courses in almost any language imaginable, like any large University in the United States.  I cannot validate the French coursework, although I don't doubt it.  If true, it refers to regular coursework in a particular field (Business, Engineering, etc.) that is taught in French, not an actual French course.  As I mentioned, the University offers a variety of what it calls "third language courses" (anything besides English or Spanish) and has been doing so much earlier than 2003.
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I certainly believe that Research is not one of Tec priorities. In fact, I think that is one of the main reasons ITESM is not called a university, but a Techonology Institute. Don't get me wrong, I do believe education is right ( I am a Tec student ), just reasearch is not their priority.
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I also agree that research at ITESM is not a priority, I am a former graduate and consultant from ITESM and the institution has a business-oriented model that certainly does not work well in favor of research as they would not support research that is not profitable.
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Agree with the two previous commentseJ 18:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, we need sources. By the way, good job on the header! Hari Seldon 19:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information issue 

message: I deleted some of the third paragraph's text, which read: "In yet another sign of lack of respect for freedom of speech, the school blocked a website developed by students from the Monterrey Campus within its campi, which included reviews and comments about the faculty posted by other students who had taken courses with them. It was a website similar to the popular ratemyprofessors.com in the United States. The website raptadoporaliens.com was used by students as a guide to choose courses based on these reviews, as a result, some professors who had been reviewed as easier became the most difficult ones."
The last part "as a result, some professors who had been reviewed as easier became the most difficult ones" is wrong, since it cannot be proved and has no sources whatsoever. Don't state things based on opinions.
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I do agree to erase the Criticism part because there is Freedom of Speech at Tec. According to Chapter 4, Articles 13 to 15 of the General Rules and Regulations for Students at ITESM it is the right of an ITESM Student to
Chapter Four Freedom of Speech
Article 13. Students are free to manifest points of view or opinions different those of other students, professors, authorities, and members of the community of Tecnológico de Monterrey, provided that they:
Express their opinions reasonably, in an orderly manner, showing the consideration and respect that the professor, fellow classmates, and the Institution deserve. Listen and respect the person who has the floor. Use language appropriate for integral development of themselves and to the Principles of Tecnológico de Monterrey as an educational and formative Institution.
Article 14. Tecnológico de Monterrey recognizes and respects the right of its students to sustain their own points of view as private citizens, when off campus or in non-institutional activities, on their own behalf and not in representation of Tecnológico de Monterrey or its student associations.
Article 15. No individual student or student association can use the name of Tecnológico de Monterrey in activities of political or religious character nor conduct activities of such nature within its installations. Students and student organizations may discuss topics of their interest and express their opinions orally or in writing, with order and dignity, in a manner that does not interrupt or interfere with normal Institutional activities, while respecting the opinions of other students, professors, authorities, and members of the educational community.
201.148.3.163 19:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section is biased in favor of ITESM 

message: "Part of the education redesign includes having certain courses taken partly online or exclusively online. It also includes field work, such as practices in the private initiative. Learning foreign languages is a must, especially English. Most courses are bilingual, and in 2003 the first course in French was given."
This is true, kind of. We have no sources to this and i will erase it until someone proves it.
:The source is the ITESM website itself. Hari Seldon 06:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education model needs sources 

message: I believe that the whole section of famous faculty members is strongly subjective as does not mention the reason of their fame. Moreover, there are many more people in the faculty with same or higher level of education that have achieved greater accomplishments and would not appear as famous.
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I agree with this, in the case of "famous faculty members" those need to be included in the new "Noted Alumni" section only if they studied at the Tec once, in order to comply with the wikipedia project standard. Also to keep this article updated; some professors move from one institution to other, so keeping updated may be difficult. An university must be famous for the outcome of its alumni not because of its facilities, professors or resources. Let´s keep the wikipedia standard. Hdpercar 20:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subjectivity on famous faculty members 

message: I don't think this page should have a "famous students" section...
1.- "Famous" is a relative term, so unless it is very well cited, I don't think it would be easy to qualify for a justification in using this adjetive to a student.
2.- It may be a way of personal promotion, which is against Wikipedia rules
3.- Again, the two cases presented so far, I find them controversial. Why is having a TV show, or being a member of MENSA famous? Do other schools not have students with TV shows, or who are members of MENSA? (At least in Monterrey, yes they are)... And, where is it sourced that such TV show is "the most popular" in Monterrey? As far as I know, the most popular show is the weekly soccer. 
So, for the above reasons, I don't think this page should have a "famous students" section, at least not with the content specified so far... 
Hari Seldon 22:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Students

message: What is that? Pablo 23:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zombie Community?

message: There should be mention of foreign students attended ITESM through an exchange program. I went to the Guadalajara campus and a friend of mine went to the Mexico City campus. There were a lot of Americans and Canadians, as well as Europeans, who were there to learn Spanish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.244.48.12 (talk) 15:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign Students 

message: Ok, there appears to be a misconception. The Tecnológico de Monterrey isn't the "official name of the previously named ITESM"...
The Tecnológico de Monterrey is the name of an education system that includes the ITESM and all its campus, but also the EGADE, the EGAP, the Virtual Univeristy, and several high schools around the country. Lets not mistake or confuse one with another. Hari Seldon 21:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name discussion 

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message: The mention of the survey of 'corporate recruiters' is misleading.
A high rank on this survey could be an indication of graduates who cannot sufficiently negotiate.
The survey is by 'recruiters' who are monetarily motivated to get university graduates into their companies.    Extremely strong graduates are not completely favored by recruiters because those graduates will have multiple employment and academic offers, which in turn requires the recruiters to offer very high compensation and still lose the candidate.  As an example, that is why Stanford, with its average starting salary much higher, ranks below ITSEM.  There are other surveys that would serve as a better metric.
TeamX 05:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading ranking - Wall Street Journal

message: When the news came out about Gutierrez' appointment, the ITESM stated that he is NOT an alumnus because he only studied a few semesters and did not graduate from the Tec. You can only consider yourself an alumnus of whatever university if you finished there!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.166.35.181 (talk) 03:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlos Gutierres is NOT an alumnus 

message: Is the Institute at present conducting new protocol studies on this product together with the Medical Research Unit of PRODINV,S.A.de C.V. If so how can I get more info
                                       Thank you  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.177.155.44 (talk) 16:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esterilife 

message: I'm pasting the criticism section here since it gets deleted every couple of months and gets pushed down.
The school has been criticized as restricting freedom of speech, and came under criticism when in 2005, according to La Jornada newspaper, Karla Solares Romero, a 17 year-old student, confronted President Vicente Fox concerning what he thought of the unconstitutionality of the desafuero and the lack of respect for her electoral rights. This occurred during a conference organized in one of the ITESM's campus. Some of the students and faculty defended her, while the event organizers and other faculty members were upset, citing lack of respect for Fox. The director of the Interdisciplinary High School program was overheard saying she should 'say goodbye to ITESM'. This all happened while Solares was isolated in a classroom, ostensibly to prevent her from talking to the press. The event was notorious because of the apparent lack of respect for freedom of speech coming from a leading  university. Reprime el Tec a alumna que increpó al Presidente 
-Solid Reign (talk) 19:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The info gets deleted because 1. Such sections are discouraged by Wikipedia:Criticism_sections and 2. The info is already at Student Life. -José Gnudista (talk) 05:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that, it used to be that people just erased it, I think it would've been good if when deleting a whole section, the reasons are given here, just so people think it was just deleted with no reason. Sorry again, -Solid Reign (talk) 18:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism Section 

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