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message: Hey, y'all. I'm facing a dilemma on my hands and what I believe is a problem that hasn't been addressed in the longest time here; how much do we emphasize the lower-series events? For example, if a series holds NASCAR events, how much do we explain the series races at that facility? At what point do we let the race page do the talking? I think too much emphasis is unnecessary and could very well be explained on the race page of the lower-series event.
Personally, I'm for a minor addition or notice in the events section like so: "Along with its Cup Series dates, the track also has hosted lower-series NASCAR races, including second-tier NASCAR Xfinity Series and third-tier NASCAR Truck Series races." Maybe this is a NASCAR problem more than anything, but I thought I'd raise the issue here. Perhaps I'm too extreme in my views and a compromise would work best. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 14:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Xfinity Series and Truck Series races should be listed in the events, as they are not really lower tier. They are different series and vehicles. I consider lower tier as ARCA, Whelen, etc. MysticCipher87 (talk) 15:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @MysticCipher87: How are they not lower-tier races? I'm not saying they shouldn't be mentioned (but only slightly in my opinion), but both of those series you mentioned are specifically designed to be support events for the main NASCAR Cup Series. They're lower-tier support events. Whether it be Xfinity, Trucks, or ARCA, they're all support events. The best comparison I can come up with is that Xfinity is like F2 or Indy Lights. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 15:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean the races and their names should still be listed as they are also events on the track. That's why I listed them in the Events section rather than the info box. The three series are referred to as the national racing series multiple times rather than teirs. MysticCipher87 (talk) 15:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @MysticCipher87: Again, not saying they shouldn't be in there. But they should only be a minor addition. Check pages like Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps or Imola Circuit: they do mention their support races (such as Formula Two, but as a slight mention. The same should be for NASCAR tracks. There's no need to explain in depth when their race pages can do the talking. If you ask me, saying "Along with its Cup Series dates, the track also has hosted lower-series NASCAR races, including second-tier NASCAR Xfinity Series and third-tier NASCAR Truck Series races." is explanatory enough for the track page. Leave the rest for the event page. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 15:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I made sure it wasn't fully in depth, it's in one paragraph and not fully list the entire history just "When it started" or "did the track change like the layout" and their former races. In the Texas Motor Speedway event page it mostly was about the Ferko v. National Ass'n for Stock Car Auto Racing, Inc. Lawsuit rather than the actual events at the track. MysticCipher87 (talk) 15:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @MysticCipher87: I can see its inclusion for that; however, the majority of sources you used are related to the tracks themselves (primary sources) that are essentially press releases. I honestly don't think that there's many sources out there that say "(insert event) has been run annually since (insert years)." Sourcing would be hard; you'd have to explain the event's first iteration and how it's an annual event. And there aren't many, if at all, that go into detail about that that aren't press releases. Maybe an archive in some newspapers, but I doubt it. That is the main reason why I think writing something as "Along with its Cup Series races, the track also hosts lower-tier NASCAR Xfinity Series and NASCAR Truck Series races." is reasonable. After some thought, I think linking to the races on the see also section is also reasonable, too. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 04:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

text: The special "problem" at Iowa Speedway, for example, is that until this year only Xfinity and Trucks raced there for over 15 years. This is countered by a single Cup race. A Cup race cannot be the reason to put 15 years of Xfinity history aside. The same applies to Nashville Superspeedway, Road America and Gateway. If the Cup had been run there from the start, like in Kansas or Chicagoland, for example, things would be much clearer. --Mark McWire (talk) 15:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll concede to that. If you ask me, if a track has a second-tier or third-tier event as its flagship, then I completely understand. I agree it should be the case for tracks like Lucas Oil Indianapolis Raceway Park or Portland International Raceway. I'm more hesitant on tracks like Nashville Superspeedway or Iowa Speedway, but I definitely see your point. I think it's just how we should include it in those cases and how much we should elaborate on it that I think is the issue. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 15:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

text: The simple answer to the question posed by header: It depends on a whole series of factors. Is the "lower-series" held in support of another series, or is it standalone? How many series race at the venue? How old is the venue? For what proportion of the track's history has the minor series raced at that track? For what proportion of the minor series's history has that series raced at a given track. How many series does a track host? According to Sochi Autodrom, it has only hosted a handful of events, and the only event held at that venue in 2023 was the Russian Circuit Racing Series, so the minor series will have a much greater presence in the article compared to a series of similar standing on Silverstone Circuit (which has a much longer history and has many more events.) This isn't a simple question where we can attribute a hard cut-off. We need to look at each circuit on a case-by-case basis to determine how significant a series is for that venue, and from a central Wikiproject point of view, all we can do is provide guidance (e.g. Formula 2 generally shouldn't get mentioned because it is held exclusivly as a support series to Formula One). However, there may be exceptions to that if F2 held events not in support of F1 (for example). SSSB (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Basically, we should mention all series that were held on a specific race track. An exception should only be made if the facility has such a long and rich history that it would overload the article. Then you should weigh things up and sort them out. With modern racetracks that have only been around for 10 or 20 years, like the Iowa Speedway, I don't yet see the danger of overloading thr article. --Mark McWire (talk) 20:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  How much should we emphasize lower-series events on track pages? 

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message: I'm trying to slowly get to grips with creating pages on Wikipedia and have started with a subject I know. Any help would be appreciated!!!! Car man311 (talk) 20:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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message: In May 2023, all the "<country> auto racing teams" categories were moved without discussion to "Auto racing teams in <country>", e.g. :Category:Australian auto racing teams was moved to :Category:Auto racing teams in Australia. At the time, there was a discussion at WT:F1 where the consensus was that the moves should be reverted (because, for example, Red Bull Racing is definitely an "Austrian auto racing team" but it's questionable whether it's an "auto racing team in Austria", because its base is in England), but nothing ever came of it. I'm still of the opinion that the moves should be reverted, so I thought I'd check if there is consensus in this wider forum before lodging a request. DH85868993 (talk) 11:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This shoud reverted per the consensus reached on the previous discussion. Besides Red Bull F1 team, there are a lot more teams that its location differs from their license like Toyota (WEC and WRC), Hyundai (WRC), McLaren at Indy and new Prema team at Indy. It makes more sense saying that Toyota is Japanese and grouping with other japanese teams or saying McLaren British instead of saying Toyota is based in Koln (or that Finnish town with funny name) and putting in same category as Abt or Porsche Motorsport, or that McLaren indy team is located in the US. Rpo.castro (talk) 12:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Fully support moving back  SSSB (talk) 17:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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