Talk:San Bernardino County, California

message: San Bernardino county isn't about crime or gangs, but a place where upper-class and white-collar professionals have moved to in lagrge numbers. There are white supremacists in the county though, like the California Golden Knights of the Ku Klux Klan based in Fontana and the National Association for Advancement of white people in Rialto (san Bernardino). I recall former representative David Duke, a self-claimed racist and former klansman bought a mansionette in Fontana. There is some Aryan Nations/Neo-Nazi gang activity like the Nazi Low Riders in Ontario/Chino known for carjacking, drug trafficking and harassment of minorities. We need to write new topics and more articles on San Bernardino county, not limited to the negative. + 207.200.116.201 04:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Crime section is deleted, but not gang violence

message: Why the desire to protect/lock an article that is so biased against San Bernardino County?
There are lots of great places in San Bernardino County.
The gang section is just unacceptable, and yet is protected by someone out of the country who doesn't even live in San Bernardino County?
What happened to the talk page that used to be here, and had protests against this smearing?
This article, or more accurately, this smear campaign against San Bernardino County, is a disgrace to the Wikipedia Community!!!
: As an objective third party, I can't say I find this article unreasonable. It states unbiased facts -- if there are positive aspects of San Bernardino County that you feel are neglected, please add them. However, removing content just because you don't like it is considered antisocial in just about any online community. 
: While there are a number of contentious articles on Wikipedia that acts as hotspots for manifest bias, this genuinely doesn't seem to be one of them :) 
: Adrian Lamo 04:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is just so wrong, and is a disgrace to the Wikipedia community

message: Thanks for responding.
Just as one example, can you really say this is "unbiased"?
Quote: "San Bernardino County is infamous for its gang activity."
This is not only absurd, it's just plain wrong. The county is huge, and has many nice places, and yes, a few rough places, too, but it certainly is not quote "infamous". 
This section really needs to be rewritten, as numerous people correctly pointed out on the previous talk page before it was deleted just recently.
Thanks for reading.
:-)
: Well, you're right that the section sticks out, which is unfortunate. Some of the language could be improved, too. I've edited that section ever so slightly to make it a bit more neutral, but can't (and wouldn't) outright remove factual content. I am of the belief that as the article evolves, the gang section will become less prominent. Is there anything specific you want to add to this article?
: Adrian Lamo 04:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has a section about incidence of crime in the county back in 2006, but where did the information come from? It's unsourced for one thing and the other, there's concern the crime activity issue in San Bernardino is overemphasized or biased against the county. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 04:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unbiased?   (Thanks for reading.)

message: That's much better. I'm impressed with Wikipedia.
I think it's still a bit harsh, though.
I agree, the best way is to further develop the article. 
Like you said, I'll look up some more information, and be back later to contribute..
: Sorry I don't know enough about the area to immediately do more. I'll add this page to my watchlist, and remember to add content if I come across anything that seems worth adding. 
: Articles aren't intended to flatter or demean any topic, place, or person. Thanks for your patience while this one develops, and for taking the time to state an opinion :) 
: Cheers.  Adrian Lamo 05:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Much better already. I'm impressed.

message: We must stop the vandalizm on this board. 
Somebody again attempted to damage this article. 
Someone attempted to delete new information that has been added the past few weeks, and I caught it and reinstated the newer, NPOV info.
: Certainly, the county and cities articles (Fontana, Victorville and Redlands are constantly changed without wikipedia approval). Some of the subjects changed relate to race, income class and demographics that many readers didn't like. References to Fontana, which the wikipedia article states "a town known for lower-income whites", is fooled around with. Fontana does have large African American, Slavic, Mexican (Latino) and Japanese communities, but I check it often to find it was deleted. The city is changing, growing fast and more newcomers are racially diverse, so I don't find it inaccurate. Lower-income whites aren't the majority anymore in the San Bernardino area, even the High desert communities are new homes to "yuppies" and commuters whom work in the Los Angeles area. + 207.200.116.201 04:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: We must stop the vandalizm on this board.

message: Maybe we should just eliminate the crime section? It looks like several people have been modifying it, some with NPOV and others with an opinionated POV, and it still isn't a NPOV. Also, it doesn't seem to add much to the article.
:I don't think it is so bad. There certainly is crime in the county. I'm not sure what happened to the one reference but we can fix that. If there is a way to make it more NPOV, then go for it. -Will Beback 21:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the crime stats needs to be moved to public safety. none of the other southern california counties have crime set up like so. it should be in the public safety. if not the article does not read well.Javiern (talk) 22:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Should we eliminate the Crime section?

message: The page was again damaged by someone with a biased agenda (the pro-gang troll), and I repaired with the more NPOV on file.
:It looks as if you replaced material that had at least one source with material that has none. That isn't progress. Please provide sources to support your assertions. Please do not remove sourced material provided by others. Thanks, -Will Beback 23:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Repaired with NPOV

message: The time zone currently shows up as "Mountain," although the source (correctly) says Pacific? - signed by anon IP
: Incorrect, unless you referring to the Colorado River where the time zone boundary is, only the Arizona side is Mountain time and does not observe daylight savings time. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 04:13, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mountain time?

message: Does "The county is larger in area than the states of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Delaware combined. Any of those states could be replaced in the list by New Jersey, Vermont, or New Hampshire." mean what it appears to? If so, does anyone else think that that happens to be the most completely awkward phrasing possible? 68.39.174.238 20:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question on meaning...

message: San Bernardino County is the largest "county" in the US, which the article states, but it is not the largest "county-equivalent," because several Alaska boroughs are larger:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_boroughs_and_census_areas_in_Alaska
This is already mentioned in the San Bernardino County article, but whoever wrote it designated the Yukon-Koyukuk Census Area as the largest county-equivalent in the US, which is arguably not correct at all. Like much of Alaska, Yukon-Koyukuk is in the vast "unorganized borough" of Alaska and thus not part of a county-equivalent. 
The largest then would be the North Slope Borough:
North Slope Borough
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Slope_Borough%2C_Alaska
I'm going to change the article to reflect that, but I'm just putting out the reasons why now, just in case Yukon-Koyukuk was someone's baby. 
By the way, as someone who grew up in Orange County, I've always liked San Bernardino County — the vast, open desert is way cool, and the people I know in San Berdo's "Inland Empire" cities are all great people. Why someone would come to Wikipedia to trash San Bernardino County is beyond me. Sure, there's some crime, but that's true everywhere in California, including Orange County (and not just Santa Ana).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kushibo (talk • contribs) 18:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alaska borough comparison

message: I understand that it is big, but the intro is meant to summarize the content of the article, and a whole paragraphtwo paragraphs in the intro telling us just how big San Bernardino County is comparatively are a little excessive. I have stripped most of it out... it was a little interesting, but it was a bit repetitive and the relevance is debatable. --Node (talk) 12:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still (or is again) too big. A sentence saying it's the biggest in the country would suffice. Lexicon (talk) 17:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Size

message: The county is clearly named after the city of san bernardino, just like riverside county is named after riverside city, the same is for San Diego County. NOw the city is named after Saint Bernardine, not county, see source/reference. House1090 (talk) 05:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: nonsense...bernadino is the namesake for both by extension. --emerson7 05:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

text: please reference  for template guidance. --emerson7 05:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Spanish and Indian place names of California: their meaning and their romance the name comes from Saint Bernardinus, and was initially applied to the peak before the founding of the town. The county, peak, city, and many other items get their name from the Saint. List of counties in California uses the same source text and covers all the county name etymologies. -Optigan13 (talk) 07:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Named for....

message: A recent edit was made about a possible change of county seat.  It appears that a newspaper columnist "heard some say that it would be good if the county seat moved", and wrote this article.  I do not believe this kind of speculation by a single person should be included in an encyclopedia article.  Any other thoughts?  Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 00:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And I quote "...local interests in the county's West End have argued for the county seat to be relocated from San Bernardino to "the more viable and growing cities of Ontario or Rancho Cucamonga" (their words, not mine.) They have even proposed renaming the county "Arrowhead County."  This is not by 1 person but by many people wanting to change the county seat to a ciy in the western end area of San Bernardino County. I think that whether or not the city allows the county to build the so called government tower, the faith of Sb as having the county seat is on the line. May I say that the writer of the article is involved with the city, I believe he is on the city council. House1090 (talk) 00:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an editorial by the city attorney intended to sway the reader that letting the county build a new center in SB would forestall "relocating the county seat." There is nothing to suggest that anything like this is currently being considered, or that it would be "controversial" if it were. So, WP:NOTSOAP and WP:NOTCRYSTAL both apply.  Ameriquedialectics 01:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why I put it was to let threader know that there are people wanting to change the county seat and county name. House1090 (talk) 01:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But Penman doesn't name them, so we don't know who they are, or where he is quoting from. It's just a rumor at this point, an artificial controversy, designed to get the reader to think: "the city better let the county build wherever it wants or the county could hold a vote to move the seat elsewhere" kind of thing.  Ameriquedialectics 01:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Okay I see your point. I will see if I find any other sources about a county seat move, if not I will delete it today. House1090 (talk) 01:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: i heard both county relocation and renaming idea. from the history books located in the county libraries, the name change is an old idea from the early 1900. the county seat relocation almost happened in the early 1920's. it would have been moved to the big bear area(there was a vote and the relocation idea lost by less than 10 votes), the current proposal is because this is the way of getting the county to relocate its offices. the county wants to be in a new building. its been proposed by the city council of san bernardino to take the spot where currently the falling apart known mall as carousel mall. they would tear the mall down and build a high rise just like the city civic center were the city offices are located75.26.156.205 (talk) 02:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversies

message: why is there no image of the county flag75.26.156.205 (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: county flag

message: As a student of etymology, I am fascinated by this abbreviation. Where does this name come from? Googling this name shows mainly tatoo references which doesn't seem likely :)
Old_Wombat (talk) 09:25, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate name - St Berdoo? 

message: I couldn't help but notice that the table of companies derived from the Chamber of Commerce statistics includes Temecula, even though Temecula is actually part of Riverside County, not San Bernardino County. However it doesn't seem right to edit data derived from an external source. thoughts? Keithh (talk) 16:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed this as well, but I was mostly baffled as to how the County of Riverside would employ more people in San Bernardino County than SB County itself.  Upon further review of the cited source, it appears that these stats are for the Inland Empire as a whole.  That should probably be clarified on the page and more accurate statistics should replace these. (I'm sure they must be available through the state or county websites, right?)  Jayfr (talk) 08:38, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temecula inclusion 

message: Not a bad article, but it is missing a "climate" subsection under geography. (And, no, I don't have one in my back pocket!)
BTW, you could probably move towns/cities under "government" if you wished. Student7 (talk) 00:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: could we not get a proper map of the county, on the article?  or perhaps more than 1; topography, towns & roads, climate, etc.... 
Lx 121 (talk) 05:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: (5 years later) Can we please add a proper map to this article, which shows where the settlements are located? The "Big Red Map" is simply not cutting it. Let's strive to make this project as useful and encyclopedic as possible, and not ignore valid comments such as the one above for years at a time. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 07:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We are all tasked with making this article as good as possible. Anybody can edit (or, to be fair, can raise a question). Does the above writer have a good, noncopyrighted, source for such a map? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  map? 

message: The list of cities in the San Bernardino Valley doesn't include Montclair, incorporated as Monte Vista(1956), name changed to Montclair(1958). Montclair, in San Bernardino County, is bounded on the west by Pomona and Claremont, on the north by Upland,on the east by Ontario, and on the south by Chino.
I don't have a source.  I grew up in Montclair and just know these facts, as anyone from the west end of San Bernardino County, with any sense of geography, would. If Upland, Ontario, and Chino are in the San Bernardino Valley, so is Montclair.  ''
03:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cities in the San Bernardino Valley/Geography 

message: There is a San Bernardino County, California redirect to this article. This must be circular and wrong. See Kelso Wash. Please correct.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 15:07, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Bernardino County, California redirect? 

message: Should they be added to the page? they are not cities or towns, but they have semi-autonomous control from the county. All the community service districts have their own board. For example wrightwood residents have control over their sanitation and parks under the wrightwood CSD, but not zoning. so should it be its own section2603:8000:5000:E9D2:C4EC:7244:7262:B40C (talk) 02:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Community Service Districts

message: The presidential election data for 1912 looks anomalous and disagrees with the data on the 1912 United States presidential election in California page. Kevink707 (talk) 18:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect 1912 election data?