Talk:Local Government Act 1888

message: The Times very helpfully published the entire Local Government (England and Wales) Bill  as it was, in the editions of 27, 28 and 29 March 1888. The Bill had been introduced on March 19, 1888.
There are some striking differences, not least being the proposed creation of *district* councils!:
Firstly the term "administrative county" was not used, as far as I can see.
*Part I (County Councils)
**Clause 2 (a)
Councils were to consist of "elective" and "selected" councillors. The latter became county aldemermen in due course.
*Part II (Application of the act to boroughs, the Metropolis and certain special counties)
**County boroughs named in Schedule 4 are nly 10 in number
**Clause 39 (1) "The ridings of Yorkshire and the divisions of Lincolnshire shall respectively be separate counties." (no other counties divided)
*Part III (District councils in counties)
**Every county was to be divided into urban and rural districts, with an elected council. Urban districts were to be all existing urban sanitary districts and boroughs. Rural districts were to be formed form rural sanitary districts, divided on county lines. (sound familiar???). Like the county councils, they were to consist of selected and elective councillors. This part of the Bill did not apply to the Metropolis or county boroughs.
*Fourth Schedule: Large boroughs dealt with as separate counties: Liverpool, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, Bristol, Bradford, Nottingham, Kingston-on-hull, Newcastle-on-Tyne
Lozleader 12:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bill 

message: On July 13, 1888 Captain Selwyn introduced an amendment to separate the Isle of ely and the residue of Cambridgeshire, which was acceptedLozleader 12:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Isle of Ely

message: *March 19, 1888 Bill introduced. Was to have a county council for each historic county, with the exception of Yorkshire and Lincolnshire which were to be divided by ridings/divisions, a new county of London and ten large county boroughs. Counties were to have the same boundaries as parliamentary counties (that is 1832/1844 boundaries). Each county was to be divided into urban and rural districts.
*June 9, 1888 
**Amendment to bring population of county boroughs down to 50,000 accepted
**Six smaller 	counties of cities to be county boroughs  listed
*July 13, 1888  in Commons
**Amendment to create Staffordshire Potteries county withdrawn
**Amendment to split Suffolk defeated
**Amendment to split Sussex accepted
**Amendment to separate Isle of Ely from Cambridgeshire accepted
*July 19, 1888 in Commons
**New Schedule listing 59 county boroughs substituted, including towns of 50,000 population and some counties of cities
**Amendment to add Lichfield "negatived"
*July 31, 1888, on introduction to the Lords for second reading, the term "administrative county" was introduced. according to Lord Balfour "The difficulty was, in the chaos that existed, how to get the administrative county to conform with what he might call the geographic county... No one would like unnecessarily to interfere with county boundaries; but it was not less dangerous to interfere with Poor Law unions, as important financial questions would immediately come to front..." In other words, a compromise of sorts. Where the boundary commission would have moved county boundaries to follow PLUs, this was going to be fudged:  while the councils were to "consider the reports of the commission", the final decision was left to the Local Government Board.
*August 6, 1888 In Lords 
**Amendment to split Suffolk passed
**Amendment to split Northamptonshire and Soke of Peterborough accepted
**Amendment to create Cinque Ports county defeated
Lozleader 13:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timetable for changes to Bill 

message: What is the basis for including county names in brackets after "County borough"?  Are they the counties listed in Schedule 3 to the Act?  In which case, Bristol should be Gloucestershire and Somerset.  But in any event, the counties listed in Schedule 3 were associated with county boroughs for limited purposes mentioned in the Act, which did not, I think, include USDs. I suggest they are better removed, unless someone can come up with another reason (sourced) for including them. --Mhockey (talk) 09:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps change the wording to (associated with x). The Act united these towns in one (statutory) county. We should list what that county was. MRSC (talk) 12:09, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Just realised this is already listed in an earlier section, so it is redundant here. MRSC (talk) 13:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Yes, in answer to the original question, the counties were indeed those listed in Schedule 3. But anyway they seem to have been spirited away... Lozleader (talk) 15:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: County from 1889

message: The article gives a good description of the act and the county government system it established.  But what was the previous system of local government in the UK?  Was there some form of non-elected county leadership?  A few sentences contrasting the new system with the old would be really helpful for those of us outside the UK.  --Amble (talk) 21:05, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Prior to 1889 county administration was in the hands of justices of the peace meeting in a "Court of Quarter Sessions"Quarter_sessions#Civil_jurisdiction. They were indeed unelected (they were appointed by the Crown on the advice of, I think, the Lord Lieutenant of the county). And yes there should be something in the article about it! Lozleader (talk) 08:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What did it replace? 

message: "The counties of Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire, Suffolk, Sussex and Yorkshire were undivided so far as they were one county at the passing of the Act.[9] The three ridings of Yorkshire and the three parts of Lincolnshire therefore retained their status."
Does anyone else think this doesn't make sense?
What does the "therefore" refer back to>
Retaned their status as what?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.89.77 (talk) 15:37, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  5 Counties for other purposes