Talk:Mary Wollstonecraft/Archive 4

message: 162.83.134.173, please stop editing the lead (I have a feeling you are the same person as 141.155.154.172) until you fully understand wikipedia's policies. You are introducting grammatical errors all over the lead: 
*"primely" (not a word)
*"Her other major works includes Original Stories from Real Life (1788), Mary: A Fiction (1788), Vindication of the Rights of Men (1790), and deeply personal travel narratives."
*"Her early advocacy for women's equality, critique on conventional femininity, and opposition against the mistreatments of women is indicative of the approaching feminist movement."
You are introducting quotations without citations: 
*"Wollstonecraft has been labeled the "grandmother of feminism."" The fact that I mentioned this on the talk page is not enough. You  must find it in a book yourself if you want to include it.
You are leaving out information. Please note that this is a Featured article; that means that it has passed a somewhat rigorous set of peer reviews and represents the best wikipedia has to offer. It should therefore not be left in a draft state by editors. If you want to add this information, find it!
*"Feminist scholars and activists such as [fill in blank] have cited both her philosophical ideas and her personal life as important influences on their work."
You have also added a somewhat subjective statement; you said Wollstonecraft's affairs were "failed." We actually already rejected that word months ago because it is hard to prove that she thought they had failed. In fact, some scholars might argue Wollstonecraft got a lot out of her relationship with Imlay. Awadewit 05:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the "presaged the later feminist movement"? I don't think you can "presage an emergence." That sounds a little odd, don't you think? Awadewit Talk 01:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about "presaged the feminist movement, which emerged roughly half a century after Wollstonecraft's death."? That avoids being both "ambiguous" and "odd" and provides a bit of historical context. Do you think it's too much of a digression though? Kaldari 02:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine. You could also say "organized feminist movement." Awadewit Talk 03:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good to me. Kaldari 15:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The lead (again)

message: Thank you for protecting, Kaldari. What is it with people, anyway? :) Awadewit | talk 15:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has taught me a lot about human nature :) Kaldari 19:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The war of every editor against every editor? Awadewit | talk 20:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *The IP editor noticed that there was a double ISBN (two different books had the same ISBN - I don't know how that happened). Unfortunately, the IP editor replaced the wrong ISBN with the incorrect edition of the book (they couldn't know what I had used, I suppose). Awadewit | talk 22:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: * The second and more important friendship was with Fanny Blood, whom Wollstonecraft credited with opening her mind. - This is the sentence. There were plenty of citations for the Fanny relationship for me, but I added yet another one for this IP editor. Awadewit | talk 22:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *Actually, this IP editor changed a lot of language in the article, most of which was not an improvement, in my opinion. (See discussion on the lead, above.) Awadewit | talk 22:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: **I only listed the changes they made which were accepted, as most of what this editor changed was later reverted (for good reason). Kaldari 22:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: ***Ah, yes, I see. I just wanted to make clear that they were disruptive as well. Awadewit | talk 23:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I completely agree. This list represents 8% of the IP edits; they hardly represent a stunning contribution to the article and the time and effort it takes to prevent vandals from destroying the article do not balance out the gains, in my opinion. Awadewit | talk 22:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since 100% of the anonymous edits to this article since it was unprotected have been vandalism, I am re-instating semi-protection indefinitely. Kaldari 16:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: I have placed this article on indefinite semi-protection per the following semi-protection policies:
"Indefinite semi-protection may be used for... (1) articles subject to heavy and continued vandalism... (2) biographies subject to vandalism and/or POV-pushing that are not widely watchlisted". As of June 5, 2007, 187 of the last 500 edits have been made by anonymous IP addresses. Of those 187 edits, all but 15 have been reverted (most as blatant vandalism). The 15 good edits are summarized below:
*5 edits by various IPs to revert vandalism
*69.0.55.199 changed an ISBN number which was later changed again
:*The IP editor noticed that there was a double ISBN (two different books had the same ISBN - I don't know how that happened). Unfortunately, the IP editor replaced the wrong ISBN with the incorrect edition of the book (they couldn't know what I had used, I suppose). Awadewit | talk 22:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * The second and more important friendship was with Fanny Blood, whom Wollstonecraft credited with opening her mind. - This is the sentence. There were plenty of citations for the Fanny relationship for me, but I added yet another one for this IP editor. Awadewit | talk 22:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *Actually, this IP editor changed a lot of language in the article, most of which was not an improvement, in my opinion. (See discussion on the lead, above.) Awadewit | talk 22:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: **I only listed the changes they made which were accepted, as most of what this editor changed was later reverted (for good reason). Kaldari 22:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: ***Ah, yes, I see. I just wanted to make clear that they were disruptive as well. Awadewit | talk 23:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I completely agree. This list represents 8% of the IP edits; they hardly represent a stunning contribution to the article and the time and effort it takes to prevent vandals from destroying the article do not balance out the gains, in my opinion. Awadewit | talk 22:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since 100% of the anonymous edits to this article since it was unprotected have been vandalism, I am re-instating semi-protection indefinitely. Kaldari 16:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The case for indefinite semi-protection

message: The section about her being a Yorkshirewoman seems to be a distracting digression to me. We have just established the reader's interest in the family's financial problems and frequent relocations, but then we undercut the reader's sympathy by talking about her sense of belonging in Yorkshire and her "warm" childhood memories. Then we go back to talking about the financial problems and her abusive father. It seems a bit disjointed. Perhaps just removing the quote would help. What do you think? Kaldari 15:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I know what you mean - I was trying to be chronological and it didn't really work out. Go ahead and take it out, unless you can find a better place for it. Side note: What happened with the templates at the top of the page? Why is that line of code there, now? Awadewit | talk 16:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yorkshirewoman 

message: What do you think about adding the somewhat length passage from Wollstonecraft's letters in which she describes seeing Louis led off to be executed and her own reaction? It really is quite a stunning passage. Awadewit | talk 09:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what quotation you refer to. Also, is the quotation about Wollstonecraft's baby copied correctly. It's a bit difficult to read. Kaldari 16:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Two keys over - oops. Fixed. Here is the execution quotation:
About nine o'clock this morning, the king passed by my window, moving silently along (excepting now and then a few strokes on the drum, which rendered the stillness more awful) through empty streets, surrounded by the national guards, who, clustering around the carriage, seemed to deserve their name. The inhabitants flocked to their windows, but the casements were all shut, not a voice was heard, nor did I see any thing like an insulting gesture.--For the first time since I entered France, I bowed to the majesty of the people, and respected the propriety of behaviour so perfectly in unison with my own feelings. I can scarcely tell you why, but an association of ideas made the tears flow insensibly from my eyes, when I saw Louis sitting, with more dignity than I expected from his character, in a hackney coach, going to meet death, where so many of his race have triumphed. My fancy instantly brought Louis XIV before me, entering the capital with all his pomp, after one of the victories most flattering to his pride, only to see the sunshine of prosperity overshadowed by the sublime gloom of misery. I have been alone ever since; and, though my mind is calm, I cannot dismiss the lively images that have filmmed my imagination all the day.--Nay, do not smile, but pity me; for, once or twice, lifting my eyes from the paper, I have seen eyes glare through a glass-door opposite my chair, and bloody hands shook at me. Not the distant sound of a footstep can I hear. . . . I wish I had even kept the cat with me!--I want to see something alive; death in so many frightful shapes has taken hold of my fancy.--I am going to bed--and, for the first time in my life, I cannot put out the candle.Qtd. in Wardle, 181.
She wrote this to Joseph Johnson. Awadewit | talk 18:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Seems a bit lengthy for a quote of tangential interest. Probably better to leave it out I would think. Kaldari 16:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A shortened version, perhaps? Awadewit | talk 17:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotation