Talk:Tim Howard

message: Can someone please get a better picture of him (top right)? I would but I am on dial up at the moment. A simple Google Images search on Tim Howard should work.
:copyright Chensiyuan 01:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The dates and statements in the paragraph below are inconsistent.  Who knows the facts and can fix this paragraph?
Howard was victorious in his MLS debut with Metrostars on August 18, 1998, making five saves in a 4–1 win over Colorado at Giants Stadium (his only appearance of the year). He later played in one game with the Nike Project-40 Team, a 3–1 win over the Staten Island Vipers at Giants Stadium on May 6, 1998.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.30.170.98 (talk) 08:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistent Dates and Statements

message: Hello! Can anyone tell me where's the source citation that reads that Howard will be eligible to play against Manchester United on 28 Apr 2007? Cos I have sources that point to the contrary, that he is not eligible. So which one is true? Kiwi8 08:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Howard was eligible to play against Manchester United on 28 April 2007, and David Moyes could have picked him if he'd wanted, but as part of Howard's permanent transfer to Everton, Moyes and Alex Ferguson had come to a gentlemen's agreement that Howard would not play. This was not a contractual obligation, and Moyes had every right to play Howard, but in the interests of keeping good relations with Alex Ferguson, he left him out of the team and played Iain Turner instead. – PeeJay 12:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Eligibility to play against Manchester United

message: The Kearny High School page has him listed in the notable alumni section, however the information here has otherwise. Which is correct? Wschart 21:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  High School 

message: I'm gonna start removing some of this stuff if no one can provide some sources for the information. I read at least a dozen things cliamed in this wikipedia that a cursory search on google could not back up.Whatzinaname (talk) 22:58, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm mostly stuff about his biographical early life stuff etc. None of the cites seem to jive with much of the supposed information and all the hits on google merely rip off this wiki for their information.Whatzinaname (talk) 00:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  whole host of claims made with no citation

message: I have uploaded the following image and I feel like it could be incorporated into the article. Either under the #Everton section or #International section, since Howard has become a mentor for Hamid. Numerous sources state that it was his influence that led Klinsmann to call-up Hamid for the last few friendlies.
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~ Fopam (talk) 01:41, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add new photograph to article 

message: I should have included a comment with my edit, but I failed to do so. I changed a statement that Tim Howard was the second American to score a goal in the Premier League to him being the third American. Both Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey scored goals in the Premier League before Howard's January 4, 2012 goal against Bolton.
Supereditor1971 (talk) 04:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Edit 

message: This 23:44, 21 February 2013‎ Addbot version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia to expand the existing content.--Wing (talk) 13:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation into Chinese Wikipedia 

message: I recently added the section on the Wikipedia incident to bring in some information with regards to the Secretary of Defense/Wikipedia edits. I personally believe that the incident is worth mentioning on this page in some fashion due to the widespread media coverage and responses from both Jimmy Wales and Chuck Hagel. Others have, quite reasonably, argued that this section runs afoul of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:UNDUE. On this issue, I think there are good arguments for both including and not including the section and I would like to try to reach a consensus here if at all possible.
AtlasBurden (talk) 05:16, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, for clarification, if no one seems to feel strongly one way or the other, I am perfectly fine with keeping it removed as the editor who removed it is much more experienced than myself. AtlasBurden (talk) 05:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I feel strongly that this is a clear case of WP:NOTNEWS, as it is clearly a transient and trivial news item. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:33, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's a bit meta (and certainly silly), but I believe it warrants being included, especially after the actual Sec. of Defense became involved: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/07/the-secretary-of-defense-called-tim-howard-after-his-historic-performance. Not a whole section, mind you, just a sentence referencing the incident. JoelWhy?(talk) 13:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am on Ohnoitsjamie's side. This is WP:NOTNEWS and unencyclopedic. It's a one-off incident that has barely received any international coverage. A week after the incident, nobody's talking about it. At the very least, it makes no sense to mention it in this article because the article is about Howard's playing career and he has not done anything. Heymid (contribs) 14:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a picture on it as well..hehe..--Stemoc (talk) 15:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

text: At least some mention would be appropriate even if it is only a line or two in the paragraph discussing #ThingsTimHowardCouldSave.Cptnono (talk) 19:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia incident 

message: There are two references sections. Is there any way these could be merged cleanly into one? 131.128.73.6 (talk) 14:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I put the general references section at the bottom of the References list, captioned "General references". —C.Fred (talk) 16:14, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 References sections 

message: The article notes in the body that he has dual US/Hungarian citizenship so I've altered the opening sentence to say he is "an American/Hungarian football/soccer .." (player). I think this also helps remove the ambiguity of the previous edit that said he is "an American football/soccer player: readers might assume he plays two sports (1) American Football (2) Soccer (Association Football). If this edit isn't right perhaps a further edit like "he is a United States football/soccer player" ? --mgaved (talk) 14:31, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dual nationality? 

message: Okay, there's been a slow edit war going on over the question of what to list as Timmy's sport. Now, 'football' seems inappropriate, because many USMNT fans come to this page, but so is 'soccer', since many Everton fans are likely to stop by. Given the confusion, it's my belief that we should use 'association football'. That's what we do at Brad Friedel (former USMNT and current Spurts keeper), and also seems in keeping with WP:ENGVAR: "Universally used terms are often preferable to less widely distributed terms". This is also why 'soccer' redirects to Association football. Can we get a consensus here instead of reverting each other out there? Achowat (talk) 18:04, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Although he's played in England since 2003, he's still American, and I think that creates a stronger tie to the United States and American English. – PeeJay 21:44, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Stronger"? Maybe. But strong enough to say he plays 'soccer' instead of the universal term 'association football'? I really don't so. Now that the World Cup is over, most of the edits and page views are going to be from Evertonians. Achowat (talk) 18:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He's American, so "soccer" makes sense. And, he plays in the UK, the country that invented and popularized the term 'soccer'. Not us Yanks' fault that the Brits abandoned the term.    JoelWhy?(talk) 21:32, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: But they did abandon the term. Achowat (talk) 22:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter if the majority of edits are by Evertonians, Americans or people from Timbuktu. ENGVAR says that if a subject has stronger national ties to a particular country (i.e. Howard's place of birth as opposed to his place of work), we should use that country's variety of English. – PeeJay 23:45, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What about WP:COMMONALITY? To quote it directly "Wikipedia tries to find words that are common to all varieties of English. Insisting on a single term or a single usage as the only correct option does not serve the purposes of an international encyclopedia." Achowat (talk) 07:49, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and yet you're insisting on the use of a single term as the only correct option. No one here is saying soccer isn't also called football.    JoelWhy?(talk) 20:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soccer, Football? [[WP:ENGVAR]] 

message: Do prevent the "16" from reappearing, can we please reference the PDF on all pages? Also perhaps make a note that the original count was 16 and it was changed? (I don't know how to do refs or notes.) I think this is relevant to all pages to prevent bad edits. TimHowardHad15Saves (talk) 02:22, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A note that the original count was 16 would make sense, but I'm opposed to the idea of using the FIFA PDF as a source in these articles, since it's a primary source. I've used the BBC article as not only is it extremely reliable, but it is also a secondary source, it uses the correct number, and it has a video to support that number. If that's not sufficient, add the Guardian source I listed above. – PeeJay 11:21, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, what? The primary source can't be used? Is this a joke? If I want official MLB or NFL statistics, those sites are where to go. Further, I'm sure I could find several BBC articles that incorrectly show 16. You must use the primary source as the reference. Using anything else makes no sense. TimHowardHad15Saves (talk) 14:01, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I am afraid WP:PRIMARY applies here and we should avoid using only primary sources. However I think we can use the FIFA pdf together with other sources (but not alone). QED237 (talk) 14:11, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is wrong. All the sources reporting on this are themselves discussing FIFA's statistics! So why aren't we. Wp:primary can't apply here. It's insane. TimHowardHad15Saves (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case it appears to be OK. According to WP:PRIMARY a primary source can be "used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." WP:PRIMARY doesn't say that we can't use primary sources, only that we should be careful. Sjö (talk) 14:30, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you Sjo for bringing sanity to this thing TimHowardHad15Saves (talk) 14:33, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest problems 

message: It would be helpful if editors would add sources when adding text.  This text was inserted without a source in 2008, and the US Youth Soccer Association has the exact wording in 2014.  They may have copied it from Wikipedia, or we may have copied it from MLS earlier.  Still trying to locate original source of that wording, which smells like copyvio.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad sourcing, and copyvio 

message: His club stats are wrong. Please correct them accordingly. And please do not locked this page if you don't have time to edit it. Let someone else do it.
222.167.74.128 (talk) 15:13, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What are the right stats, and where can we verify them? And if other new/unregistered users hadn't been messing up the article, we wouldn't have needed to protect it. —C.Fred (talk) 17:00, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2016 

message: These typically come at the end for all players, any reason it is in the middle?--MattyMetalFan (talk) 17:24, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats 

message: There are a lot of Tim Howards out there. This should be a disambiguation page. Morganfitzp (talk) 01:47, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Of the Tim Howards listed at the top of this article, one is an attorney best known for teaching law at a university, one is the sheriff of a single county in New York state, and the other goes by another name in his professional life. This Tim Howard is clearly the primary topic. Feel free to create Tim Howard (disambiguation) though. – PeeJay 15:11, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

text: I agree. A disambiguation page should be created. This person is just not that important. Alialiac (talk) 12:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation  

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message: He's certainly not the concensus GOAT American goalkeeper; while two of the citations support the claim, the third uses the qualifier "arguably." It appears the OP simply googled "Tim Howard greatest;" similar results can be had for Keller and especially Friedel who probably surpasses both, albeit mostly in EPL and USMNT.TjoeC (talk) 17:35, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  GOAT? Not the undisputed greatest American keeper!