Talk:Music history

message: I have a question:
*Is there one defining moment, or period of time that changed music?  How was music prior to that time and how did it change?
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:No, there were many in many different eras, cultures and within specific styles. Zosodada 18:52, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are probably many defining moments, but not one. Some would argue Marshall McLuhan-like that the dawn of recording consciousness was a defining moment, while others argue against the idea that the media really is the message. Others may argue that the transition from oral traditions to notated music is defining, others would disagree. If you click around Wikipedia's articles on music and music history, including timelines, you may get a better idea. Otherwise I'd suggest hitting the music history books. Hyacinth 18:21, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: That's a very big question, and a very interesting one.  I think it is continually changing, sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly, and differently and different places, the way a stream flows over rapids, flows into pools and eddies, and occasionally blasts by in torrents.  The rise of printing was a big and sudden change; the rise of recording technology, as Hyacinth mentions, was a huge change; the advent of notation, the development of technologies that provided an opportunity for wide dissemination of ideas (not just music) certainly changed things.  Fruitful topic for study:  enjoy! Antandrus 18:36, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in music 

message: — JIP | Talk 08:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD result 

message: Would it be good to have a subdivision on the various methodologies that are being used in the historiography of music? It might be helpful to name a few approaches and explain what the differences are (i.e. Forkel, Fetis, Dahlhaus, Knepler, Taruskin, Cook...). I'd be happy to start working on this section but I wanted to make sure that people think this is the right spot to have this kind of discussion. Alternatively I could start a new article on "music historiography" or the "historiography of music." Matthias Röder 17:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a great idea--if it gets too long then we can split it off later, but for now, I think the article is more bare-bones than anything.  We can put a one sentence summary of the additions also on the musicology page.  --Myke Cuthbert 03:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! Will start work right away! Matthias Röder 09:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Subdivison on Methodologies?

message: The following is the talk page from Historical musicology, from before the merge:
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Thia article has NOTHING to do with the academic discipline of historical musicology.
: I agree, putting up a vote for deletion, this is about a 2004 Schotland rave phenomenon --Jahsonic 00:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement is inaccurate as "discipline of musicology," however, as "discipline of historical musicology," this is generally true.  Departments which have subfields of "historical musicology" tend to do so in order to separate out non-Western or popular music studies.  --Myke Cuthbert 20:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not the case in my experience at the UW-Madison, where history, theory, and ethno play mix-and-match...theorists study cellphone ringtones, ethnomusicologists look at Wagner, historians study radio broadcasting. I feel more comfortable with a less-sweeping statement, and have edited to suit--take a look.Rikyu 20:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Given that the thrust of "Music History" is "academic study" of the history of music, which is another way of saying "historical musicology," I see no problem in merging the entries. It also seems to me that "Music history" is a more likely search term. It certainly gets more Google hits (1.3 million versus 50,000, give or take).Rikyu 20:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk from Historical musicology

message: I have now rewritten the article so that it is about a discipline of historical musicology.
Capitalistroadster 06:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article now rewritten

message: This article survived a Vote for Deletion. The discussion can be found here. -Splash 00:59, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote for Deletion

message: On what basis is it asserted that "the history of popular music is generally not studied within the discipline of musicology."? I don't believe the disciplines are, um, disciplined that stringently.Rikyu 23:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement is inaccurate as "discipline of musicology," however, as "discipline of historical musicology," this is generally true.  Departments which have subfields of "historical musicology" tend to do so in order to separate out non-Western or popular music studies.  --Myke Cuthbert 20:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not the case in my experience at the UW-Madison, where history, theory, and ethno play mix-and-match...theorists study cellphone ringtones, ethnomusicologists look at Wagner, historians study radio broadcasting. I feel more comfortable with a less-sweeping statement, and have edited to suit--take a look.Rikyu 20:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No popular music?

message: Please give a look at the article Music History (not History of Music) and see if you agree that the two articles should be merged.  Music History, is generally speaking, what the discipline of Historical musicology is called when taught at the undergraduate level.  It might be better to merge Music History into Historical musicology rather than vice versa, since people will always want to know why "Music History" doesn't cover popular and non-western music (reason: classes called "Music History" and scholars who call themselves "Music historians" tend not to; those who do tend to choose other titles).  --Myke Cuthbert 20:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that the thrust of "Music History" is "academic study" of the history of music, which is another way of saying "historical musicology," I see no problem in merging the entries. It also seems to me that "Music history" is a more likely search term. It certainly gets more Google hits (1.3 million versus 50,000, give or take).Rikyu 20:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Music History? 

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message: I am not so much aware about the citation rules, but this article probably asks for improvements. There is just one reference - Lipman's book and none else. There are some mentions in the text, but no proper citation provided in the references. Igor Klimeš (talk) 19:41, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations - need for improvement 

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message: In this edit,  removed the "Examples" subsection under the Critiques section with the edit summary Demasiado sobre música popular. Al final parece que fuera más importante que la docta (artística) y no lo es. (I don't speak Spanish well enough to make a useful translation here). This edit was seen as improper, and was reverted by . Luperstinsky has removed the material again, this time with the edit summary alot of popular music. Excesive. While I don't know that this edit summary is sufficient, I do agree with the removal of the material. The "Example" was presumably meant to show how popular music is often ignored in the study of musical history, but the content of the section merely describes Lydia Canaan's career with no reference to how she serves as an example of this critique. The section seems to have been added merely as a means to further expound on Canaan's career. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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