Talk:Xbox (console)/Archive 1

message: I'm going to put some time into this section later. It's a total disgrace right now. 02:47, 14 Mar 2006
:OK, I've structured it and fixed a few more style things. I'm sick of looking at it now.
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I find it strange to have two halo pics.  Its not as if this system is a Halo article or system.  The pics are also to show the capabilities, like bump mapping and fur shading, which Xbox can do.
I find it a bit strange that the Modding the Xbox section of this article does not include information about www.xbox-scene.com or any of the modchip production teams, such as SmartX or Team Xecuter. Xbox scene has been on of the key players in the Xbox mod scene, and I believe that it is large enough to deserve a section in this part of the article. 
In fact, I believe Modding the Xbox is a large enough topic to be another article entirely, with sections dedicated to the major   xbox mod sites/mod developers (Including, but not limited to, Xbox-scene.com, Halo-mods.com, xbins.com, Team Xecuter, Team SmartX, Team Xenium, Team Evox, Team UIX, and Team Unleash). 
Hunter Killer 03:48, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not legal? Wikipedia is not censored. --Can Not 13:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Modding the Xbox

message: Microsoft built the Xbox around industry-standard PC hardware in contrast to the traditionally proprietary design of nearly all other gaming consoles. In spite of (or because of) this, it is the most powerful console when compared to its main competitors, the PlayStation 2 and Gamecube, while remaining price competitive.
: This sounds like a fanboy wrote it. It is not NPOV. Same goes for much else in the article.
:Actually thats fact, they built their system around PC hardware, quite a bit of it standard enough that you can swap stuff out on a limited basis, and it's more powerful than it's competitors. Finally it has also remaining competitive price wise against Sony. PPGMD
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Just an explanation on where the Xbox stands compared to the GameCube as of Nov. 2003: It appears obvious that the Cube's price-slash did propel it forward, but independent sources indicate that it may have only closed a gap that the Xbox held over it this year. I also added a bit of fuzziness to the wording because there are few accurate, independent numbers. For example, Sony claims the PS2 controls at least 3/4 of the market, Nintendo claims 1/3, and doubtless Microsoft also claims somewhere about a 1/3. Before we know it, the Phantom will come out and claim the 60% left over :-). This is typical of the free info, so we have to take it with a grain of salt:   
(I also removed the fact that the Xbox console is selling at a loss because it's not significant when the Cube and the PS2 are as well.)
--Mrwojo 19:13, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: No specific topic

message: Just reading the Wiki about the rumour of not placing XBox on top of the TV.
Not denying the fact that the cable snap-in will instantly seperate, so it's impossible that the XBox will be yanked off the TV set.
But realistically, you can't play ANY games with any console box on top of the TV, the dangling wires will hang over your TV screen - it just can't be good with any console, (PS2, GC, or XBox)
As an aside, when someone tripped over my controller cable and it 'lizard-tailed', the game paused automatically and waited for me to plug the controller back in.  Which I thought was really excellent.
- johnliu
I would have thought the main problem with putting an XBox on top of a TV would be that its vast weight would instantly crush the hapless television :-P Hah hah, sorry, couldn't help myself!
You can place a gamecube on top of a TV due to its low weight and size and wireless controller functionality.
-brett
In my experience, putting consoles on top of TVs creates magnetic interference, a big purple zone on the top of the tv picture.--Gяaρнic 15:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO that sounds like something only a wild pack of 5 year old children would do. --Can Not 22:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I do is place my Xbox on top of a SHELF above my TV! JustN5:12 00:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placing XBox on top of the TV 

message: Here are some pretty surprising figures relating to the XBox controler.
The XBox controler has 8 digigtal (binary) buttons: The four that make up the d-pad, the buttons that are part of the sticks (push in), the start, and the back button.
The 4 buttons with letters, the black button, the white button and both triggers are 'analog' and return an 8-bit value. (Senses up to 255 levels of pressure)
Both of the analog sticks have two axes witch return a 16-bit value.
That is thus a total of 8 digital buttons, and 12 analog values.
A grand total 136 bits to represent the current state of the controler. 
(Actually a bit more space is used for no apparent purpose. perhaps for lining the analogs up with a 16-bit boundry?)
Source:http://euc.jp/periphs/xbox-controller.en.html
The above data should be integrated into the article. Or at the very least the article should mention that the face buttons are analog, as I'm fairly certain many people do not realize this.
:Duly mentioned. Sockatume 15:49, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox controler information 

message: *:Image:Xbox_01b.jpg
The dingy picture of the Xbox half way down in the section "modding", serves no actual purpose, does it? It is under the section of modding, but no signs of modding are visible to my knowledge. Even the little clear foil that protects the front panel is still present. I would suggest replacement with some kind of modding picture. --Kim Nevelsteen 11:21, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dingy 

message: Shortly before or after the release of the Xbox system, Thomson released their high-end RCA sets (by this time, the ProScan brand was out) with a special multipin connector labeled "XBox Connector", and located on the rear of the set.
I'm not quite sure how long that production run lasted until Thomson dumped using the connector.  Anyone know?
Jedo1507r 05:53, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure you're talking about the Vport.  It was basically a component video connection with analog audio all bundled into one connector. Radjago 16:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Special Connector for Thomson (RCA) Television Sets? 

message: I rolled back a paragraph by an anon editor who talked about a legal way of modding the xbox by replacing the mobo with a small form-factor pc mobo.  Since this would result in a xbox that wouldn't actually play xbox games or connect to live, I don't feel that is really pertinent to an article about xboxes.  Perhaps when someone writes Xbox-cased PCs we can restore that paragraph to that article. ;)  However, I put it up to the other editors whether to revert my change and restore the paragraph. --Syrthiss 12:28, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I was thinking the same thing when I looked this morning but didn't have time to write an edit summary here on the talk page at the time. --Atari2600tim 15:00, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal Mod para added by anon 

message: It just came out so I'm guessing there will soon be updates on the main article and on this section of this article. For now, I've simply updated future tense to past teste.--Sampi 23:30, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox 360 

message: Half-life 2 screenshot shall be in the Xbox game examples. It's graphics were really great and it equals Halo 2 in game play quality. --Renegade Viking 19:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 08:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have both versions and can say that the Xbox version is definitely less visually impressive. But that really doesn't make it less enjoyable. It still looks great and runs pretty well. It lets those without decent comps enjoy the game. Gets the job done.  --Swaaye 15:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half-life 2 

message: Can someone please expain to me what's going on here? There seems to be an edit war over NPOV and sources and I don't know what all, and, ideally, I'd like to see it stop. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *points up to the vandalism? topic above* though I admit I was away for a few days when I thought it had resolved. --Syrthiss 21:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Brazil4Linux left a note on my talk page asking me to take a look at what's going on, so, well, I came. If it's resolved, then I won't worry myself. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:13, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Another GoldDragon revert today. No reputable sources, extensive POV, lot of not-comproved info.. --Brazil4Linux 11:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: It is in Microsoft document : In our Home and Entertainment business, cumulative shipments of the Xbox® video game system reached 22 million, and the Xbox Live® online game service doubled its subscriber base to 2 million. -- ReyBrujo 04:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  A point: 4 billion of investment or 4 billion losses? I think the word investment is POV, because the losses are comproved and reported in Forbes article, the investment amount aren't comproved yet.  --Brazil4Linux 13:29, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Massive losses" edit war 

message: The correct name for this article should be "XBOX", as in the official documentation which comes with the unit itself, it states that the name of the console is "XBOX", not "Xbox".
:: Look at Xbox.com and the Press Releases. "XBOX" is logo/fantasy name, Xbox is usually typing name (using in LIVE service also). It's important remeber that "X-box" and "XBox" was cited by Microsoft in 2001 when the console was only a project  --Brazil4Linux 00:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree, the correct name is Xbox.  Even Xbox.com's title spells it Xbox, not XBOX.  Dionyseus 18:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  For understand this the user need know fantasy brand/type-common brand/patent brand. XBOX it's only fantasy/logotype purposes, Microsoft use "Xbox" in press releases and patents. Remember also that Xbox isn't a acronym and don't just justify the change for XBOX.--Brazil4Linux 14:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep the original title at Xbox, although you can have additional likes like XBOX and X-box that redirect to this article. --GoldDragon 21:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct name 

message: since that fool deleted my post (no offence:P)
:Is it possible to change the dashboard for the xbox?....(you know that green menue:P)
reply back quick....with good answe:P
>x<ino 06:41, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  SKINS 

message: The black logo is more widely known. What you think about change the current white for the black logo? --GroundZero 18:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like it much. The black background isn't a major part of the logo, and generally transparent backgrounds are nicer than fixed ones. I don't care so much either way as to revert if someone feels strongly, though. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:34, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. I don't really like the black one all that much. The previous logo just looked nicer, IMHO. I wouldn't say either one of them is more widely known. The "X" and the word "Xbox" is all that matters. Both have that. K1Bond007 22:56, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo change 

message: "Xboxs" is used in the article as the the plural of "Xbox".  Can someone cite that this is the correct style (i.e. Microsoft usage)?  Otherwise, I'm apt to edit to the more grammatically correct "Xboxes".  Ned Scotland 02:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that I remember seeing "Xboxes" on their website.  I haven't been there in a long time though... BirdValiant 06:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I remember, both "Xboxes" and "Xbox systems" are allowed. A0me 16:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A0me is correct. Xboxes or Xbox systems both work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doctor Hexagon (talk • contribs) 02:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pluralization of "Xbox" 

message: I recently removed the latest addition:
; the Xbox has held a lead over the PS2 and GameCube in sales since April 2004 
GoldDragon restored it stating that it was ok because it was (referenced). I must point that:
# The article was posted on May 26, 2004 5:01 pm PT. You cannot generalize saying that Xbox has held a lead since April 2004 when the article covered only until May 2004, when it was posted. The reader is being misleaded into thinking Xbox has been leading the market since April 2004 until today.
# The article reads: "This marks the first time ever that Sony has been knocked off the leaderboard by another console in this generation," boasted Microsoft's release, which went on to list various notable Xbox events at E3 2004. I don't believe it does any good to this article state that Xbox finally managed to sell more consoles than Sony on April 2004 since launch day, but feel free to reword this removed sentence and add it if you think it is useful. -- ReyBrujo 04:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, this is why I removed it in the first place.  The article only states that the Xbox managed to outsell the PS2 for the month of April in the year 2004, no where does it say it has continued outselling the PS2 to this day.  In November 2005, for instance, the PS2 sold 531,000 units in North America, whereas only 197,000 Xbox units were sold in that month, here's the source:  http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7509  Dionyseus 06:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox leading over PS2 and GC? 

message: The price of the xbox in the U.S. is listed as having dropped to $119.99 on 12/23/05 however the official xbox site still lists 149 in theis catalog, and a number if retail outlets i visited today said the same when i tried to buy one for 119.
So, basically 119/149 confirmation?
12.107.149.98 07:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price? 

message: shouldn't the damn price history go at the top!?
:Why the hell is it at the bottom.
Price goes first!
:>x<ino 15:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price History 

message: Anyone else seeing the hebrew and thai interwiki links not linked, but instead as text at the bottom of the page? I can't see a syntax problem with them in the edit pane, but there's definitely something borked up. --Syrthiss 14:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hebrew and thai interwiki links? 

message: " Investor relations documents says that in the end of 2005 Microsoft lost more 1 billion dollars . The Xbox project never gave an annual profit to Microsoft according to these documents." -- see the graphic, thanks.
:That doesn't mean your comment of it being Bad that it has name recognization is true. Jedi6-(need help?) 22:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annual Profits? 

message: Oh please why shouldn't the damn article be long. When Xbox only! article is having a small information of 360. I don't see what 360 is doing in an xbox article page.
By the way...while you are clearing it up...we need 1 more picture! So it can complete the art gallery!
:>x<ino 21:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  How bout a picture of Ghost Recon or NFS: Hot Pursuit Two?-Delta Elite 18:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 00:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only 34kb, not long really. Skinnyweed 16:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article too long... 

message: Format the other links scattered across the article. Skinnyweed 17:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inline citations 

message: It's impossible to be tried and convicted under an EU directive as they are not laws but directions to member states to enact certain sorts of laws. Thus the more correct expression is that the person mentioned in the "legal" subheading of the modding section was convicted under a law derived from, or enacted due to the EU copyright directive (aka EUCD). Let's not propagate the "directive = federal laws of Yurp" meme, okay? 88.112.2.159 02:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  EUCD nit 

message: The photo of the Xbox is, uh...not good.  The top of the console is dusty, and the clear sticker over the panel that contains the little power button is noticeably still on, with a corner of it coming off.  Compared to the photo of the GameCube on its Wikipedia article, the Xbox photo seems amateurish.  Just saying.
:It certainly is. If I had an Xbox and a camera I would fix it right away, but alas... Shinobu 18:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  featured picture 

message: There doesn't seem to be much direct commentary on Microsoft's relationship with Nvidia on the Xbox, notably the contractual conflicts over the supply of nvidia chips for the Xbox.  There's a short note in this article describing nvidia's stopping production of said chips, spurring the launch of the 360.  The story of the two companies working (or not working) together seems it would be an interesting addition to this article. Thoughts? Tmurase 00:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard about this theory, but the problem is that there's not a lot beyond rumor to back it up. If you could write a sourced section about this, that would be great, but I can't think of any references outside of forum posts (which don't cut it as reliable sources). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I remembered it from some Ars Technica news posts, and have found this EETimes story (that links to another story on how the two sides went to arbitration) that covers the nvidia chip pricing dispute between the two companies.  There's also a brief EETimes book review/editorial on "Opening the Xbox" that according to the EETimes goes into details on the early dealings between Microsoft and Nvidia. Tmurase 16:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I could write up a short paragraph summarizing the arbitration and resulting settlement.  Where should it go? Tmurase 18:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added it to the Hardware section.  Feel free to move it somewhere else for appropriateness or consistency.  Tmurase 21:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicts with Nvidia? 

message: The logo used at the top of this article should be changed. Although there have been examples of the white logo, the original Xbox branding is almost exclusively black and green (Black BG, Green logo and text), the white background is associated primarily with the next generation Xbox 360. The logo on this page doesn't represent original Xbox branding sufficiently. Mr.bonus 14:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo used on this article 

message: There is a message displayed when Xbox games are put into a standard DVD player. This should be added to the article. --ÆAUSSIEevilÆ 21:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  XBOX DVD format 

message: pentium 2 and 1/3? changed to 733 MHz Intel Mobile Celeron Offensiveandconfusing 17:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  100ghz? 

message: With the DVD playback kit, you can play DVDs.  However, can you also play VCDs, SVCDs, KVCDs, and KSVCDs like you can with most other DVD players?  This needs to be mentioned somewhere.  -Matt 18:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other video formats? 

message: This is ridiculous. I keep seeing the phrase "SEX-box" in this article. It is stupid, immature vandalism. I have corrected the vandalism and protected the page indefinitely. - KingpinE7 21:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SEX-box 

message: Well, I would like to add more examples of previous systems that included internal memory for game saves (mainly the Sega Saturn), that's all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.250.20.160 (talk) 13:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal memory request 

message:  I have some info. about breaking into the X-BOX.Nighthawk455 21:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EditPortected 

message: Someone ruined the start of the article, it now reads:
"Creation
During the dark ages, the almighty Prince Arora was pierced by an arrow. As he was laying in the hospital bed, the Antediluvians attacked the Holy Empire. The Prince wasn't able to move out of his bed and so needed a way of controlling his monstrous army. A perfect idea came into his head. If the Maple tree could grow from a little seed, then why can't he control his army from a television screen while holding a controller on his lap? He gathered all the technicians, the scientists and the creators from France to Greece and was able to create this foreboding thin. The final product was in a box like format and had stripes across the top. THUS THE XBOX WAS CREATED!" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.179.150.174 (talk) 15:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's buh-log-nuh! JustN5:12 00:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Creation of the Xbox" 

message: It appears someone has changed all references to Microsoft Corporation to say Apple. I believe the article should be reverted to the March 27 version by 66.71.31.10, which is the latest revision before the vandalism. What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bicostp (talk • contribs) 13:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Steve Jobs said "BYODKM" (Bring Your Own Display, Keyboard and Mouse) when introducing the Mac mini. I say DAJDI, for "Don't Ask, Just Do It". There is nothing to believe, it is a straight matter of fact that such a silly attemp of vandalism has to be reverted. Don't be shy, trust your sense. You don't have to put up every single of the actions you intend to execute for discussion. Saxbryn 23:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple Didn't Make the Xbox. Revert? 

message: Half a year ago or so I remember that there was an article about Limited Edition Xbox consoles, such as the Crystal Xbox or the Hello Kitty Xbox. Was this article deleted or what?--Surfaced 02:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Limited Editions

message: whats a massive picture of an unhealthy looking bill cosby doing on top of the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.191.8.128 (talk) 16:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  COSBY? 

message: someone said they didnt make xbox games anymore, is that true? 
- kozmic|sk8r 01:26, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  do they still make games for the xbox?  

message: I dont see a source for the sales of the xbox listed at the top of the page.Marcky96 04:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: forgot to sign it. Still, this was liek a week ago, no one?Marcky96 04:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales source? 

message: The Video Game Style Guide by David Thomas, Kyle Orland, and Scott Steinberg published on June 1, 2007 clarifies that "Xbox" should be spelled as such, without dashes or a capital B.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/videogame-style-guide-writes-the-book-on-game-journalism/
 
Bonfirenight 16:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're going to have to be more specific, because I fail to see where it isn't already spelled as "Xbox". Also, please note this article is merely semi-protected, meaning only new and unregistered users are unable to edit the page. Any editor older than a few days can make this change. - auburnpilot talk 17:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official spelling of Xbox name