Talk:Hjalmar Johansen

message: The approval of Hjalmar Johansen Seamount by the IHO/UNESCO Subcommittee of Underwater Formation names passed by with little fanfare in 2005. I submitted the proposal, so I thought I'd post it here. A fitting tribute to a man who was not made for this world, a flawed hero who never really enjoyed the fruits of his heroism. Jonathan Snow, University of Houston.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.250.112.161 (talk) 21:47, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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message: This article seems very biased in favor of the subject of article, and very unfavorably against Roald Amundsen.  While certainly a man who was a product of the times, Amundsen seemed above all to be a pragmatist.  The biggest sin of Amundsen's seemed to be that he consumed working dogs who were dead, used up, or un-needed.  Very few readers contemplate the alternatives-leaving them to starve, killing them and wasting the "food", or feeding them food stores that was needed for the rest of the humans AND animals.
The article vilifies Amundsen for behavior towards Johansen and Prestrud.  While leaving men to die would be reprehensible, the fact that they made it (certainly with difficulties) proved that this was not the case.  The article also provides many statements on what Amundsen was thinking and feeling - unless taken from the man's autobiography, I cannot fathom how the author determined these "facts".  
This article seems very light on corroborating data.  Although I do not speak or read Norwegian, I translated the few footnoted entries, and discovered little corroboration.  Perhaps providing corroboration from English sources would be more appropriate, seeing as the Wiki article is written in English.
Lastly, the article uses many negative statements towards Amundsen, using perjorative phrases attempting to bias the reader unfavorably towards Amundsen ( such as "without regard for his men", "the mishap enraged Amundsen", "He further disciplined Johansen", "ordering him to subordinate himself",  "the triumphant leader made the entire remaining crew sign a paper", "the vengeful Amundsen".  These statements are clearly opinions rather than facts, and should not be included.
To their credit, the author does include data about Johansen's faults as well, particularly his drinking and lack of success in many endeavors.  However the perjorative adjectives are usually missing in these descriptions.
Although not an issue in this article, writing about Amundsen and Scott tended to show similar biases.  While this has been changing slowly in recent times, both of these fallacies tend to follow a similar vein - a concept that it is "Better to be a dead lion, than a live jackel."  Personally, I'd rather be a live lion, but that's just me.
Disclosure - I am a descendant of Amundsen, which is how I got to the article.  While Roald was certainly NOT a "gentleman", he was a successful, experienced explorer and expedition leader.  He was, by dint of his successes, adept at getting the mission completed, and without unnecessary deaths and suffering.  While he certainly created his share of controversy, we should be careful to judge him by the standards of his era rather than our own - this tendency seems to be a common mistake in the current PC climate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.138.89.245 (talk) 17:02, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki entry on Hjalmar Johansen 

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message: What kind of obscurity is the article referring to? I knew his name as the partner of Nansen even as a child in Czechoslovakia around 1990 from books that were widely available (Centkiewicz & Centkiewicz - Na podbój Arktyki translated to Czech).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.102.97.15 (talk) 21:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
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