Talk:R.A. the Rugged Man

message: According to this article, Biggie was not a fan of RA:  Let's not get into an edit war. If Biggie was a fan please provide a link proving it like I have. Thanks. MrBlondNYC 04:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's real easy to say the article is fake with ZERO proof. Just as I can say the Ego Trip article you referred to fake with no proof. What does BIG's death have to do with the validity of the article if it occurred before he died? Are the songs released after his death fake too? Maybe this is a whole big conspiracy against R.A. the Rugged Man. Yes, Peace magazine is trying to bring him down. Look, I don't want a childish edit war with you and it's obvious you love this guy. But you still need to have a citation for such a claim. As long as you don't remove the "Citation needed" tag, the sentence remains suspect as it should. And as long as that tag is there the entire sentence can be removed at any time in good faith. So please keep that in mind. MrBlondNYC 20:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Please provide a citation of the quote. A citation of which magazine, author, article, date title will suffice. Just because Biggie thanked RA in his liner notes does not mean he said "I thought I was the illest". It means he said "Shout out to R.A. the Rugged Man" and that's not the same thing. Reverting good faith edits could result in blocking. MrBlondNYC 22:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha. I don't "hate" RA the Rugged Man. Wikipedia wants all articles to be correct and prefers them to be cited. Quotes especially HAVE to be cited or they get removed. Sorry but there's rules here. Another rule is you have to provide edit summaries along with your edits. Another is you have to sign your name when you write on the talk pages. Just remember the rules and there won't any Bloodshed Hoo Ha Hoo. OK? MrBlondNYC 01:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: R.A. was a Phat Beats local. But his numbers could of been up there with the Wu with Vinyl becuase Wu and biggie was selling tapes R.A. was selling Vinyl, but again the numbers haven't been released. 2603:7000:B901:8500:E185:1AC4:68D2:A1B3 (talk) 17:21, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Biggie Smalls

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Die Rugged Man Die.jpg

message: "Due to violent and disgusting behavior R.A. was blackballed and feared by music industry executives throughout much of the 1990's." - there has got to be specifics on what the "violent and disgusting behavior" is. thanks. Sfrostee 5/26/08  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.231.249 (talk) 23:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Explanation Needed 

message: This XXL article states he was born in 1974. And if he was signed to Jive at 18, in 1992, that would also put his birthday in 1974. However an IP-editor has been removing this information and claiming that it's incorrect. This Amazon review states he was born in 1975, but of course an Amazon review isn't a reliable source. It would also mean he was signed to Jive at 17 in 1992 or at 18 in 1993, but not 18 in 1992. Can this IP-editor find any reliable sources to contradict those already referenced? If not, s/he should stop removing the info. Wetdogmeat (talk) 14:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of birth 

message: This is R.A. the Rugged Man, I continue to send messages with no response. I want the wikipedia page that is written about me removed. I do not approve the constant false and private information that continues to go up on the page. This is my life and you are falsely representing me through your website. Wikipedia is the first thing that anyone reads when they google something and it is violating my rights. I do not want my name on your website anymore. RAThorburn (talk) 10:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you identify the "false and private information" that you are referring to? Wetdogmeat (talk) 19:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is never ending. Since this page has gone up it continues to be bombarded with false and private information. It has been non stop through out the years since this page about me was created. Having false information constantly posted up as facts on this page is a violation. Do you really need me to go through the entire history of false information that has been posted up about me?  You can have some one contact me direct ratheruggedman516@yahoo.com   and when they contact me I can leave a phone number so we can get this resolved and the page gets deleted. I'm not going to go back and forth arguing with somebody on this message board. You can not continue to violate the rights of hard working people just because wikipedia is a known organization. RAThorburn (talk) 10:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'll look into how this works. I'm not sure the subject of an article can request its deletion simply on the grounds that it's a target for vandalism (lots of people's pages are targets). What's more likely to happen in that case is that the page gets protected and more closely patrolled, so only registered users can edit it and any new info is checked for verifiability more stringently. There's no need to go through the article's history, but if you could point out what "false and private information" is currently in the article that would help. Thanks. Wetdogmeat (talk) 21:41, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

text: You'll probably want to take this up with an administrator; here's how you can do that - Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Dealing_with_articles_about_yourself Wetdogmeat (talk) 21:47, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Who protects me from the "registered users"? or so-called " verifiability" just because some media source claims it to be true? I do not want to be part of wikipedia, they already violated and slandered my name on several occasions. RAThorburn (talk) 16:56, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandalism is mostly carried out by unregistered users editing from anonymous IPs. As for verifiability, Wikipedia has guidelines regarding what can be considered a reliable source. You can correct information yourself also. If you specify what "false and private information" is currently on the page I might be able to change or remove it. As I said though, I don't think the subject of an article simply not wanting a Wikipedia article is grounds for deletion. I'll find out though. Wetdogmeat (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

text: I've removed the "Personal life" section in its entirety. Unsourced or poorly sourced material won't appear there again. Is the content of the article okay now? If not, let me know specifically which information is false or private and I'll see if it can be corrected or removed. Thanks. Wetdogmeat (talk) 22:54, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not good enough. I do not wish to have my name used on wikipedia. I do not trust the registered users or administrators and I do not like the way my name is constantly slandered. I do not approve of the content or my name being used. If you do not have the authority to remove it please have someone who does contact me.  RAThorburn (talk) 18:55, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think anyone has the authority to simply delete the page. Again, I don't think simply not wanting your name on Wikipedia is grounds for deletion (just like if you didn't want your name in a magazine, they wouldn't be obliged to cut it out). Of course, if there's libelous material in the article, and if you'll point it out to me, I'll correct it or remove it. If you won't tell me specifically what information is false or private, or if you just want the page deleted irrespective of what's currently in the article, then there's nothing more I can do. In that case, you'd be best to follow the instructions here: Wikipedia:Contact_us_-_Subjects Wetdogmeat (talk) 00:22, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This scenario is covered at WP:BIODEL.  If the subject of the biographical article requests deletion, then if the subject is relatively unknown and not a public figure, Wikipedia will generally favour deleting the article.  However, this is not a case of the subject being relatively unknown, etc.  This is a well known hip-hop artist under a signed label, who has been involved in high-selling recordings, and has an official website.  If a person signs a recording label, and publishes high-selling recordings under that label, that person cannot claim to be a non-public figure.  As such, I am not inclined to do a good-faith deletion nomination. Singularity42 (talk) 01:29, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

text: I think it falls under freedom of speech, same as the press. If an editor can source it, then we can add it. Our standards are far higher than tabloid and regular news. We only include material that we think is worthy, not just dirty laundry for the sake of using it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 05:15, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

text: People higher up in Wikipedia are able to remove the article - but they will only do it if they decide that its subject is not "notable". There is a consensus that you are notable. However most editors, and particularly registered editors, are concerned that statements in the article should be verified by reputable sources, and relevant to the article. So we would like to help you. But your saying "the list would be endless" does not help us. Let's start with the piece about agent orange. It looks unlikely to me. Is it true? Is there any trustworthy published evidence for it? Maproom (talk) 08:03, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

text: You can ask this guy: user talk:Jimbo, but like others have said, you are probably to famous for Wikipedia not to have an article about you. The article seems fine (as in not mentioning anything unreasonable) to me as I read it now, but the bit about next studio album needs updating. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:43, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

text: About written laws, I think THIS is what goes in the US. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:24, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 10 February 2013 

message: Is there a reason his full name is not in the lead? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no good source on it. It's possibly Reginald Arbuckle, but he "won't divulge what the initials stand for". Wetdogmeat (talk) 16:04, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is indeed a valid reason. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:20, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In this interview from March 25, he reveals that R.A. stands for Richard Andrew, but that that's his middle name (skip to 31:20). His first name remains unknown. Wetdogmeat (talk) 23:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

text: Update: the link to 2dopeboyz is now a different interview, and the actual interview is located here. Skip to 31:20 to hear him state his middle name. Wetdogmeat (talk) 00:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Article currently says "R.A.'s father, Staff Sgt. John A. Thorburn, was a Vietnam veteran affected by Agent Orange. R.A.'s home and family life was significantly affected by his father's experience."
I have no reason to think this is not accurate, but is information of this kind ok to source to a personal website? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father 

message: This article was fine, there was a regular cadre of interested editors who made sure this stayed up-to-date and up-to-standards about a contemporary pop culture figure. The only issue (which presumably brought it to the attention of disinterested parties, i.e. admins who just like using their powers rather than editing articles they care for the subject matter of) was when the subject himself wanted the whole article deleted. I mean, really? A BLP issue? How and when has "Associated Acts" ever been a BLP issue??? Sure, overzealous fanboys add more (and dubious) connections than are necessary, but that's true on probably every single artist with an infobox, and they're quickly returned to status quo by mere non-admin editors. Absurd. Ignore the anon-IP who claims to be RA and let the editors who are more interested in maintaining a proper, informative, and well-cited article than let power-hungry admins just delete entire pages. He's well established as a writer and critic, and it was well-cited. He's been published in at least ten magazines on subjects ranging from film to boxing. But noooooo, Hahc21 just decides that's a BLP issue and deletes it. Sigh.... JesseRafe (talk) 02:21, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Look. I have had a personal talk though email with the real R. A. Thorburn, and the removal of most information is done under the guidance of our WP:BLP mandatory policy, and at his personal request. I deleted all the information that was not properly cited. If you find good references for those sources, you are very welcomed to add them again; otherwise, I'd recommend not do do so. I am doing a neutral editorial oversight of the content, given that it has been the subject of many issues that violate our current policies. I agree that I removed some uncontroversial information like the long list of associated acts and producers, so you can add those back again. Anyways, I'd prefer if you discuss any addition (apart from those that are very uncontroversial) here at the talk page. Cheers. — ΛΧΣ21 03:42, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editorial overstepping by Hahc21 

message: I am removing the DOB. I understand this may be controversial, but at the moment, I believe there are multiple sites with multiple dates, none of which are highly reliable. In some situations, if there are differing dates from decent sources, we will report it exactly that way–something along the line of "some sources report X while other sources report Y". That may be the way to go, and if someone want to craft such a sentence, we can make sure that the sources are adequate and report it that way. However, one cannot have multiple dates in the info box, or in the simple parenthetical remark after the first mention of the name.It ought to be a stand-alone sentence or paragraph. We must also consider the possibility that the year can be identified, or narrowed down, but the month and day might elude satisfactory referencing.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:43, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there are multiple sites with multiple dates, just one site that says 1974 and another that says he was 18 in 1992, corroborating the 1974 date. There's nothing controversial about the day either, January 10. See his official Facebook and Twitter. Given that date, and given the widely reported fact that he signed to Jive in 1992 at the age of 18, that puts his birth year at 1974, as per the XXL article. Wetdogmeat (talk) 14:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points. I haven't seen the site with other years, I'll have to check.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'm going to restore the birthdate. Wetdogmeat (talk) 03:12, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's being persistently removed, seemingly by the subject. I have no idea why, as it's fully referenced and correct. I can only speculate that he doesn't want people to know how old he is. Since Wikipedia is not a platform for personal promotion, and the subjects of BLP articles don't have authority over the inclusion of publically available information, I have to suggest the article be protected. Wetdogmeat (talk) 05:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

text: The subject of the article claims that the year of birth we have listed is incorrect, but he refuses to correct it; he just wants it removed. This means that he doesn't want people to know his year of birth. We therefore have reason to believe that he is lying in the interview referenced above. The date is fully referenced. The subject has not taken issue with the claim that he signed to Jive in 1992 at the age of 18. If he was 18 in 1992, then he either turned 18 or 19 that year, which means he was either born in 1973 or 1974. His birthday in on January 10, which means that unless he signed to Jive in the first 9 days of the year, he turned 18 in 1992 (he was either 18 for 9 days of the year or for 357 days of the year). This means that his year of birth is 1974. This is also explicitly stated by XXL magazine. For the subject to simply say the information is incorrect is not sufficient to contradict or undermine the secondary sources we have, since the subject refuses to correct the information and we therefore have reason to believe he is lying when he claims it is incorrect. Wetdogmeat (talk) 01:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  DOB 

message: Much of the content was removed, due to some diputs about what was factual and what was not. I'd like to start the process of building back the contnet.
RA suggests the following wording, or something like it was in the article at some time:
At 18, R.A. signed with Jive Records and then in the mid-1990s signed with
Priority Records/EMI. His contract was later absorbed by Capitol Records but he
began recording independently in the early 2000s. He has worked some of the
greatest in history including the Notorious B.I.G., Mobb Deep,  Sadat X, Akinyele, Chuck D
of Public Enemy, Jedi Mind Tricks, Kool G Rap,
Wu-Tang Clan, Rakim, and producers Trackmasters, Erick Sermon, DJ Quik, Buckwild,
Havoc, Alchemist, and Ayatollah. He was featured on all three of Rawkus’s
Soundbombing albums, as well as the platinum-selling WWF Aggression album,
performing the theme song for Chris Jericho. In Ego Trip Vol. 1, Issue 3, the
Notorious B.I.G. was quoted as saying, "I thought I was the illest," when
referring to R.A.[2] He is closey associated to the Wu-tang clan and its various
associates.
Of course, we do not simply copy and paste, we decide what to include and how to write it. For example, I don't think we can refernce the list as "the greatest" without some solid references.
However, it is a starting point.
The opening two sentences seem fine, if they can be supported by references.
I suggest:
In 1992, R.A. signed with Jive Records and then in the mid-1990s signed with
Priority Records/EMI.
supported by:
* </ref>
* </ref>
* </ref>--SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Building back content 

message: Hi all. I've filed a request at the BLP noticeboard regarding this article. You will find it here. Regards, Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 14:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP thread regarding article 

message: I removed this  from the lede per WP:OPENPARA. It should be included in the body of the article. --Malerooster (talk) 03:08, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where he is from in lead sentence and lede 

message: According to research (all from free websites and online databases):
R.A.'s real first name is Ryan, and his actual year of birth is 1973 (not 74), which makes his DOB 1-10-73. Yodabyte (talk) 07:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: () None of the sources for date of birth are valid. The above is all at best OR and in reality just conjecture. The first reference (as cited in the most recent revision of the article which contained DOB) does not mention a date of birth at all, the second is a dead link.  The third is a blog post which relates a conversation in which the year of birth is an open question rather than a matter of fact.  Until and unless a reliable source publishes a date of birth there should not be a date of birth asserted in this article. - TheDaveRoss (talk) 13:59, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Name and Birth Date 

message: Can the associated act with A-F-R-O be added to the documentation/affiliation?
It is not a secret and quite obvious that thanks to the rap-contest RA has now taken A-F-R-O under his wing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.67.130 (talk) 10:36, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Same with Jarv. Poveglia (talk) 08:22, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-F-R-O association 

message: You could include in the Personal Life section that the A in his name R.A. The Rugged Man stands for "Andrew", which is also his fathers middle name. His full name is Richard Andrew  Thorburn. The following link is the source: https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/ra-thorburn.html WikiBro458 (talk) 15:35, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Famousbirthdays.com is not reliable. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_153#Is_famousbirthdays.com_a_reliable_source_for_personal_information. --Ronz (talk) 17:19, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. per Ronz jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 19:03, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2017 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCixKL5FJk Poveglia (talk) 08:21, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early career 

message: Under controversy: RA the Ruggedman a self proclaimed half Irish half Sicilian White man from Long Island NY accused quarter Asian Tim Pool of lying and doing a "Jessie Somolete" (his own words) when Pool spoke about the struggles that he and his family encountered during his upbringing as a minority. 
Also accused other minority cast members of the show of not knowing what it is like to struggle in America as a minority...
When he was called out for being racist he then went on a violent tantrum so that he would not appear to be as weak as his arguments were. 2607:FB91:1415:702A:FDFD:182:9225:13F3 (talk) 07:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You need—° to present your request in an explicit and persuasive "Change A to B" format, citing reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 07:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021 

message: He was known for the Vinyl single 50,000 heads in 1997. Dont have information to how many singles it sold but it was a word of mouth hit. 2603:7000:B901:8500:E185:1AC4:68D2:A1B3 (talk) 17:15, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vinyl Sales