Talk:Telepresence

message: I have totally re-written the first half of this article, because, I agree, it's not that good. I have tried to talk about telepresence in its abstract form; the sense of being somewhere else. I then talked about implementation, but tried to keep it separate.
I hope this will make a good base for an expanding article. Rocketmagnet 22:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited the opening sections a little, inserting more section headings to shorten the lead section, expanding slightly on the familiar examples of television and telephones to establish a conceptual framework for telepresence, adding more links, etc. The entry about PEBBLES in #Commercial Telepresence Robots reads a bit like promotional language, but I did not edit it. --Teratornis 00:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good. I like the bit about telephones. They are a lovely example of telepresence. Rocketmagnet 18:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: Ironically the Discussions page is becoming more relavent and better documented than the article. Someone (maybe me) should merge this page with the article. 23 March 2006 -- Tmcsheery
The underlying word is Teleoperation and definitely warrants an entry.  It is most commonly associated with robotics but can be applied to a whole range of circumstances in which a device or machine is operated by a person from a distance.  "Teleoperation" is a standard term in use both in research and technical communities and is by far the most standard term for referring to operation at a distance.  "telepresence" is a less standard term and might refer to a whole range of existence or interaction with a remote connotation. 1 Feb. 2006 --Androidchild 21:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussions page is more relavent

message: This sentence in the article:
"For any telepresence system there are three essential sub-systems, i.e. the home site technology which interfaces to the user and the communication link, the communication link itself which interfaces to the home site and the remote site, and the remote site technology which interfaces with the communication link and possibly a remote site human."
seems to be taken word-for-word from The Transparent Telepresence Research Group Webpage.  Probably good to cite such things, no?
138.23.202.159 06:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism?

message: Most of the external links should be removed per WP:SPAM, WP:EL, WP:NOT#LINK --Ronz 22:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Linkfarm

message: Is the reference to "...the infamous September 11 terrorist attacks" really necessary in the section Telepresence: a matter of degree. Sounds like someone is promoting cause. While I believe that this is a valid thing to do, an encyclopedia is not the proper place to for it.-- hɑkeem¡ʇuɐɹɯǝǝʞɐɥ 10:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Telepresence: a matter of degree and 9/11

message: perhaps augmented reality and AR conferencing may be named or page may be merged  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.13.152 (talk) 07:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Augmented reality conferencing

message: Someone has been deleting DVE from the Telepresence suppliers list. This must stop. I re-added Digital Video Enterprises, Inc (DVE) to the list of Telepresence suppliers. DVE is one of the top manufactures in the world in this product category.-- 21:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide an independent reliable source.  Note that the repeated addition of a link to the home page of DVE is considered spamming. --Ronz (talk) 21:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

text: The report isn't easily available for verification, and the related press releases don't mention DVE.  Have any others refs? --Ronz (talk) 21:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I've added the IET reference. --Ronz (talk) 23:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: DVE Inc

message: I removed some  unref'd "could be used for" paragraphs. Rich Farmbrough, 03:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Crystal

message: I think this article should be merged here; the hypermirror is a type of telepresence and there doesn't seem to be enough coverage of it to keep a separate article. Fences&Windows 21:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry -it doesn't appear to be directly related to Telepresence.  It is a video link system, and may or may not be in high-def, but it doesn't fit the conventional modality of videoconferencing.  I'd prefer to see it remain as a stand-alone if it can be improved, or combined into some other tech article if it can't.  There appears to be enough hits on Google to improve the article with those materials, b.t.w.  Mentioning the article in See Also would be perfectly OK.  Best: HarryZilber (talk) 00:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Hypermirror]]

message: Arena3D Industrial Illusion also provides holographic telepresence and would like to be added to providers. www.arena3d.com - we do this worldwide not just in the US. Fmjacket (talk) 04:44, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A3Dii 

message: Why does this article concentrate so much on video conferencing technology? Telepresence also covers remote control vehicles (including submarines), remote manipulators (waldos), and more. Volumes have been written on the subject; I remember reading a book on the subject in the late 1970's; this article suggest that the concept didn't exist before the first videoconferencing company was founded in the early 1990's. Was this article extensively edited by ad agencies working for videoconferencing providers?--69.14.232.24 (talk) 19:00, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This article was edited in part by editors with conflicts of interest. The article content, however, should reflect the common usage of the term. Please feel free to add to it appropriately. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

text: The user is correct.  There is an unusual focus on video conferencing.  Telepresence is much more than just that. Viriditas (talk) 08:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Big Hunk of Information missing

message: The article seems to indicate that some undefined extra fidelity in vision in sound turns  videoconferencing into telepresence. This essentially means any commercial videoconferencing supplier starts to call themselves a supplier of telepresence technology.  I think we already have a word for the provision of real time sight and sound two way, which is the word "videoconferencing". Something that allows you to effect a result remotely is clearly different, and would warrant a new word. I think the use of the word telepresence in terms of videoconferencing no matter the fidelity is not a vaild use of the word.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.167.219.148 (talk) 05:17, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:   Telepresence vs Videoconferencing 

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message: In a more narrow sense, teleimmersion technologies capture, transmit, and reproduce spatial models from a remote place that convey spatial cues (e.g., (perspectively correct) eye-contact, gaze-direction, gestures, speaker position (audio and video) ) and/or allows to manipulate a remote site. The aim of this higher degree of immersion is to provoke a sense of presence or co-presence to make communication more natural.
In a very broad sense, teleimmersion technologies immerse a user or a group of users over distance (e.g., telephone, letters, postcards). 
This article does not reflect this fundamental importance of spatial immersion, it ignores current research, and it does not or poorly link to important related topics (e.g., Mixed Reality, Telerobotics, Lightfields, Free Viewpoint Video, Presence, Latency).
Furthermore, I fully agree with the various comments on this talk page: parts of this article read like promotional material for commercial telepresence systems. Most commercial shared table telepresence systems try to establish perspectively correct eye contact by carefully chosen camera-seating-display arrangements. Mostly, that's about it. The perspective breaks as soon as users move. Oftentimes, the term telepresence is misused as a marketing buzzword for higher quality video conferencing systems. 
I propose that this article's focus is on spatial immersion as a means to convey non-verbal cues. It should describe the two main fields/aspects of teleimmersion: immersive (video) telecommunication (reproduce spatial video/model from remote location) and telerobotics (change remote location). A current paper that gives a fundamental theory of possible spatial immersion concepts is: 'Tele-Immersion Concepts', IEEE Transactions on Visualization and Computer Graphics, Preprint 2017.
I propose the implementation section to be structured along a typical tele-immersion systems pipeline (e.g, scene capture, compression, transmission, perspective reproduction). This section should only give an overview of the used technology and link to corresponding wikipedia articles for more details (e.g., 3D Displays, Head-Mounted Displays, Camera Arrays, Depth Cameras, Lightfields, Robotics, Multi-View Video Compression). This section should also discuss the fundamental latency issues in telerobotics and spatial video telephony.
I propose a section that describes the main classes of commercially available teleimmersion systems, most important possibly, telepresence video conferencing systems and (more recent) mobil telepresence robots, and describe their current limitations.
Finally, I propose to rename the article to teleimmersion and link telepresence to it. In my opinion, this is the far better choice, see: 'A note on presence terminology' by Mel Slater, Presence Connect. This should be explained early on and the (wikipedia) article 'Presence (telepresence)' should be linked. 
The article should mention influential research systems. Some research articles (mainly from spatial video telephony research) that come to mind:
* 'A teleconferencing system capable of multiple person eye contact (MPEC) using half mirrors and cameras placed at common points of extended lines of gaze', 1995
* 'The Office of the Future', 1998
* 'TELEPORT— towards immersive copresence', 1999
* 'Social tele-embodiment: Understanding presence', 2001 (current telepresence robots)
* 'The coliseum immersive teleconferencing system', 2002
* 'An immersive 3D video-conferencing system using shared virtual team user environments', 2002
* 'blue-c: a spatially immersive display and 3D video portal for telepresence', SIGGRAPH 2003
* '3D TV: A Scalable System for Real-Time Acquisition, Transmission and Autostereoscopic Display of Dynamic Scenes', 2004
* 'The GrImage platform: A mixed reality environment for interactions', 2006
* 'MultiView: Improving trust in group video conferencing through spatial faithfulness', 2007
* 'The extended window metaphor for large high-resolution displays', 2010
* 'A first look at a telepresence system with room-sized real-time 3D capture and life-sized tracked display wall', 2011
* 'Beaming: An asymmetric telepresence system', 2012
* 'Implementing eye-to-eye contactin in life-sized video-conferencing', 2012
* 'Immersive group- to-group telepresence', 2013
* 'Room-sized Informal telepresence system', 2012
* '3D teleimmersion for collaboration and interaction of geographically distributed users', 2013
I am a researcher in the field which means there may be a conflict of interest.  
Yausr (talk) 20:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article does not reflect research 

message: Hello
Mayhaps I missed it, but am I correct in that the article does not get into so-called holograhic telepresence but only briefly touches upon it in the sentence "Another source of future improvement to telepresence displays, compared by some to holograms, is a projected display technology featuring life-sized imagery.[12]"?
If so, then I think it should, as that is after all a technology that has been considered revolutionary within the area. As a couple of examples, in 2014 the would-be Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi delivered campaign speeches across india at 126 sites simultaneously via holographic telepresence, and Prince Charles also used the technology back in 2008 delivering a speech delivering a speach.
 Okama-San (talk) 16:07, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holographic Telepresence?