Talk:Evenki language

message: If "erroneously, Evenk language", why is this the name of the article? Yonidebest 00:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just wondering about the same thing. ~~helix84 20:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried moving it to "Evenki language" but it said that there was already a page with that name. I think someone ought to look into this: I definitely don't want to screw anything up…—Strabismus 23:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, the target is a redirect with some edit history, so it requires admin intervention. I've started the procedure in motion below. cab 11:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: You show an estimate of 29,000 and one of 7,500. Neither is sourced. Please straighten this out. (Also, does the statistic that the Evenk are 92% Russian-speaking include the ones in China?) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 7,500 is from the Russian Census 2002 (as stated in the text) and thus applies to Russia. 29,000 is the global figure from Ethnologue and includes Russia, China, and Mongolia. cab 20:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per request. -GTBacchus(talk) 07:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Total speakers

message: Is Solon language something different from Evenki? I don't mean to ask whether it's a language or a dialect, but whether it's not just an alternate name for Evenki, as Ethnologue says. --Ptcamn 13:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Solon

message: Recently the infobox was updated with dubious information. Please cite 1) that Chinese language "orthography" is in Mongol script; 2) that the name is nonetheless written in Mongol script without following its conventions; 3) Russian language orthography/terms transcribed into Latin with macrons. If there is no reliable reference indicating these transcriptions, they should be removed. Additionally, I have corrected misleading cited text that previously indicated Mongolian was a normative script for Evenki. The cite, however, indicates the opposite: that its use is experimental. JFHJr (㊟) 23:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Thanks, Taivo! JFHJr (㊟) 00:06, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We've had a lot of problems lately with people adding "native names" all over the place that are nothing more than transliterations or translations of the English name into Russian or Turkish or Chinese, etc.  --Taivo (talk) 01:14, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems the uncited transcriptions have reappeared in the "native name" infobox field without any discussion. The edit summary left by the editor actually agrees that these are transcriptions. I've reverted the uncited information because 1) it's not a native name at all, only transliteration and 2) because the claims are wholly unsourced, and one transcription is called "??"! The note attached to the experimental Mongolian script was even more dubious. These should only appear if they can be supported by a credible source. I've also put Cyrillic before Latin because there are more Evenks in Russia than in China (per that article). JFHJr (㊟) 05:10, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Awesome! Thank you, Eric, for cleaning that hot mess! JFHJr (㊟) 15:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

text: BTW, Nedjalkov (1997:311) says there is no long /ɯ/. Maybe it's something else, or maybe Nedjalkov reconfigured that system. There is no /y/ used in his 1997 work to my knowledge. There is, however, an /ɪ/ and an /ɪː/ per his scheme, but I think that takes the place of the front vowel /i/ in other schemes. Hmm... JFHJr (㊟) 00:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I've now encountered "y" in the 1997 work. I had been poking through a digital copy and found plenty once I spent more time on it. I think differentiating dialect groups, if only as "Russian" or "Chinese dialects" until we find out finer details, is appropriate for phonology. I'll next make a table for "Chinese dialects" according to what you've indicated here. Once it's up, please adjust it if something is incorrect. JFHJr (㊟) 03:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

text: And about the Mongol script, as far as I've seen, it's not a normative mainstream script used for the language, and IMHO that's a pretty good indicator of what's appropriate in the infobox. For example, Serbo-Croatian language has two scripts (but not Glagolitic), Belarussian language doesn't include the Belarusian Arabic alphabet. I know they're imperfect analogies because of obsolescence. BUT! Even those have a place within the article itself. The 鄂温克语蒙汉对照词汇 sounds fascinating. If you have access to its contents, would you mind helping me add Mongol to the scripts in the article? Since you can't type Mongolian, could you make a chart with the /phoneme/ or cyrillic inside a ? I was hoping we could do this if the dictionary includes any information on letter order, letter values, and other spelling conventions you might recognize from looking at entries (clearly some are broken)? If you can make a list on the order of the Cyrillic and Roman boxes already there, I can fill in the appropriate Mongol characters and remove the comment fields. What do you think? JFHJr (㊟) 04:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and stuck a chart in, hidden in a comment. I'm hoping you can edit the basic inventory to describe what's used in the 1983 dictionary. (fingers crossed) JFHJr (㊟) 05:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I filled in the table. The way they use vowels is rather odd but I'm reasonably sure I didn't get it wrong. Other than that, based on the explanation by Grenoble & Whaley I added in the Cyrillic orthography section I think I finally understand the и vs. ы issue mentioned above; that would mean Эвэды̄ турэ̄н is /ǝvǝdiː turǝːn/. Eric Baer (talk) 08:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks excellent! It's been fun working together! JFHJr (㊟) 17:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox content 

message: Subtle vandalism from a 95.*.*.* IP during March 2011, adding non-existent letter to alphabet (also done that in other lang articles) etc. This has been mixed with good faith additions later from "real" editors to other parts of the article, so I don't want to try to fix it myself. Anyone cares to do it? -- Vmenkov (talk) 19:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Tried to fix it myself by reverting the Orthography section to pre-March 1 state. -- Vmenkov (talk) 19:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

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message: Table with general information says that the language operates in 3 scripts, and it says "(experimental)". Which script is considered experimental? 83.142.158.99 (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Script clarification