Talk:Newcastle, New South Wales/Archive 1

message: Removed from `external links`:
* Newcastle Infotech
* Newcastle Kite Surfing
* Newcastle Catamaran Charter
All are vanity, not related to town, more than being located there.
Wikipedia is not a marketing tool, nor a vanity page. Thats what homepages and Yahoo is for.
PS: Some true Novocastrians should look through the `notable`s` section. Might be unmentionable vanity there too.. Ref Wiki guidelines for vanity. 
-Snorre/Antwelm 18:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links Removal

message: There are a lot of pages linking to Newcastle (disambiguation). I've gone through a lot of them, but there's still loads left, if anyone feels like giving me a hand :) The JPS 11:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: There has recently been an update to the Gold Coast page stating the GC is the 6th largest city in Aust according to 2005 figures. The Newcastle page claims that Newcastle is 6th, although this is based on 2003 figures. These are obviously inconsistent. I wonder if anbody is able to compare and varify the current populations of both and work out which is larger and amend wesites accordingly. Adz 00:21, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: I wonder how neutral this page is, seeing as it mentions many controversial things about the transport and the university that seem to be more written by a council PR rep than anything else. The train line is scheduled to be cut soon and the university has just had a 25% cut in services.
Perhaps a "current issues" section could be written up.
Sumthingweird 19:30, 28 October 2005 (AEST)
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The university remains one of the best research universities in Australia, and although the train line is scheduled to be cut, it's only cutting the line into the inner city, trains will still run from inner suburban Broadmeadow, NSW. And besides, the line isn't scheduled to be cut for at least another 2 years, and is currently under review. The bus system is great. I know because I use it everyday. One wonders if you are from Newcastle or really have any idea about the place at all Sumthingweird, as you don't seem to be very neutral either, you seem to have a very negative, biased opinion. al.
: I'm not entirely sure who you are as you did not sign your comment, but I have been living in Newcastle my entire life (born about 100 metres from the University), and my father worked at Newcastle University for over 30 years before he joined the ranks of the 450-odd employees to be retrenched this year. I don't hide the fact that I tend to be progressive rather than patriotic because I feel it is more helpful, and I don't hide the fact that I have a negative opinion of the Newcastle transport services and the University administration. We have certainly seen each other on the bus before since I take the bus everywhere as well, when I don't ride a bike. The bus line closest to me (the 235) comes around every hour and a half during the day, and the next-closest bus, the 226, which I have to walk about a kilometre to get to, is the most regular bus in Newcastle, yet only comes every half hour - extraordinarily good by Newcastle standards but pretty pathetic by Western democracy standards, as others here will no doubt attest to. I confess that I do not take the train. The revision should not be biased towards my point of view, and I agree that I am very biased, but according to Wikipedia's NPOV policy, nor should it be biased towards the University's point of view. I believe that, considering that the downsizing and restructuring are the most topical issues at the University currently, it would be inappropriate not to include a mention of it. Sumthingweird 23:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've done it. PhillyWolf 08:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Notable yes, Iconic no.  What's interesting here is that Newcastle has multiple sub-cultures which are mutually incomprehensible.  That's a good thing, but it leads to misunderstandings when we rely on our personal knowledge.  There should probably be a link to Newcastle Laps off the mainpage, to the past controversies about Nobbies, Merewether and Kooragang.  But Iconic is something different.  The Council Bolt, the Kings Wharf Penis, the Cathedral, Obelisk, orange shipping navigation triangles, Stockton bridge etc. are iconic, they stand in for the rest of the image.  When I see Australian street vehicle afficianados displaying their cars, I think "Summer Nats", not Newcastle. Fifelfoo 01:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed - this reads like an Infopedia article, not a neutral article about Newcastle. Mgekelly - Talk 04:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Okay, So I've come online today to see this page, once again plagued with bias and Negativity; And if it's not that, it's full of copy and pastes off of companies websites, being overtly positive and biased. I will edit this page once again when I get the chance, and rid it of some of this ridiculous bias; (i.e Newcastle Laps.. wtf is that? how is it relevant?) PLEASE, guys, KEEP IT NEUTRAL! Don't let your personal opinions get in the way. PhillyWolf 06:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've done it. PhillyWolf 08:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Notable yes, Iconic no.  What's interesting here is that Newcastle has multiple sub-cultures which are mutually incomprehensible.  That's a good thing, but it leads to misunderstandings when we rely on our personal knowledge.  There should probably be a link to Newcastle Laps off the mainpage, to the past controversies about Nobbies, Merewether and Kooragang.  But Iconic is something different.  The Council Bolt, the Kings Wharf Penis, the Cathedral, Obelisk, orange shipping navigation triangles, Stockton bridge etc. are iconic, they stand in for the rest of the image.  When I see Australian street vehicle afficianados displaying their cars, I think "Summer Nats", not Newcastle. Fifelfoo 01:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed - this reads like an Infopedia article, not a neutral article about Newcastle. Mgekelly - Talk 04:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagued Article

message: "and the Hunter Valley's ongoing role in coal, aluminium and lead production." - The Hunter Valley no longer produces lead. The Pasminco Cockle Creek smelter was officially closed on 12 September 2003. I'm going to change this.
(PhillyWolf 02:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Newcastle Today

message: I think the section about Energy Australia Stadium needs some attention. To me it reads like an advertisment. I'm not familiar with the stadium at all so am reluctant to rewrite it but perhaps it could look something like this: 'The Energy Australia Stadium is a major sports venue located in (the suburb of ... ). As of 2005 it is undergoing a (cost) refurbishment to improve the amenity of the facility'. Perhaps mention something about seating capacity. Also mention something about what sports are played there and what sports will be played there in future.. I think words like 'drab', 'boring', 'new life', and 'new era of sport' read like an advertisment.  Also, 'the premier sports facility in the state' needs to be referenced (I would have thought that Stadium Australia would still have claim to that title).  Maybe also mention who Energy Australia are.  Finally, I may be missing something, but what is the reference to the one eyed novocastrians about? -- Adz|talk 23:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've lived in Newcastle all my life and I've got no idea what "One Eyed Newcastle supporters" means. If it really is a real term used anywhere in Australia, it's most likely a slur and should be taken out. I've never heard of it before so I've got no idea where it comes from. Gohst 03:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks PhillyWolf. While you're at it, the whole sporting facilities bit should probably be collapsed into one paragraph and moved into the sport section above. It will mean losing a few pictures, but if you compare it to Canberra or Melbourne that is standard. There is a :Category:Newcastle, NSW sports teams, so perhaps those pictures could be included in a future article about Sport in Newcastle. I suggest you keep the basketball photo - just because the canberra article already has a rugby match photo in it. -- Adz|talk 03:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds like a good idea as an interim measure. I don't think they all need to be mentioned in the main article. i don't think they are notable enough as every city has shopping centres. I know that there is some interest in shopping centre articles though. When I was working on the Canberra page and Suburbs of Canberra, User:Ambi expressed an interest in shopping centre atricles. Perhaps we could ask her for an opinion on how best to deal with them. -- Adz|talk 03:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO, the best way to deal with shopping centre articles is to leave them out of the city pages altogether - this is what we've done in Canberra. Instead, we created articles on the individual ones (Canberra Centre and Westfield Woden being the two that have articles at that point) and linked them from List of shopping centres in Australia. While they might warrant mention in an "economy" or "attractions" section of the city article if they're big enough, often I think creating the individual shopping centre article and categorising it properly is enough. In any case, I really think that creating an article about shopping centres in a particular city is not a good way to go about things, and quite probably wouldn't survive AfD. Ambi 04:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Energy Australia Stadium 

message: The area, population and population density figures in the infobox don't work out correctly. They aren't even close to doing so. ReeseM 06:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: At least one population/density figure is wrong

message: Newcastle NSW, as the article states, gets its name from Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK (the history of migrating miners). Many of the street/suburb names are similar. However, are nearby settlements such as Stockton and, a little further away in NSW, Morpeth (both towns in the UK that are "reasonably" close to NewcastleUT) also take their names from the same area or is this just coincidence. I would have thought the former. If anyone knows I would be most grateful. Also, if anyone knows of a Crawcrook or Ryton in the area, I'd be very interested! Cheers hedpeguyuk 20:00 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I would say that the greater theme for place names in the Hunter area is mining towns throughout the UK. Take Cardiff and Swansea, both suburbs of the greater Newcastle area and named for Welsh cities. Mdgr 08:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Morpeth, Stockton

message: "Last year coal exports alone were valued at A$6 billion."  - This line in the introductory paragraph should be referenced, but it should also be amemnded to clarify whether 'last year' refers to 2005, 2006, or the 2005/06 financial year. Will 'last year' be out of date on 1 Jan '07? -- Adz|talk 07:15, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coal deposit statistic in intro 

message: The first line of the article is "Newcastle is the sixth largest and the second oldest city in Australia.."
However, the Hobart article also claims "Hobart is the state capital and most populous city of the Australian island state of Tasmania. Founded in 1804 as a penal colony, it is Australia's second oldest and eleventh largest city..."
Only one of these can be right. Which is it? --Mckinlayr 03:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to recall Newcastle celebrating a bicentenary in 1997 (ie 1797). This could be related to when the place area was discovered rather than settled I suppose. I would be more inclined to believe that Hobart deserves the second oldest title and Newcastle should probably accept 'one the the oldest cities in Australia' title?? The whole Newcastle article is full of over inflated vanity anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.106.13.206 (talk) 11:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Is this based on when the settlement was declared a city ?  I agree, Hobart appears to be older.  Also, Launceston, Tasmania (which was also settled in 1804) and claims to be the third oldest city in Australia behind Sydney and Hobart.  Where does this leave the claim that Newcastle is Australia's second oldes ???  --Rulesfan 01:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And what about Parramatta? Or do we just say that is part of Sydney now? Nomadtales 11:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd Oldest City in Australia 

message: This list was (rightly) removed by Darkliight. Some of these people should be included back in the article in the individual sections for their notability - either that or a category be created, as long as their background is verifiable.
 	
*Alan Nebauer, yachtsman 
*David Berthold, theatre director 
*Clive Churchill, Rugby League Footballer
*John Brown, colliery proprietor nicknamed "The Coal Baron"
*Peter Cave Journalist, Australian Broadcasting Corporation
*Abbie Cornish, actress	 
*Les Darcy, boxer
*William Dobell, artist
*Travis Jamieson, teen heart-throb
*Peter Doohan, professional tennis player
*Patrick Giles-Jones, represents Japan in Cricket
*Rhiana Griffith, actress
*Jennifer Hawkins, former Miss Universe
*Peter Hore, serial pest
*Andrew Johns, former rugby league footballer
*Sophie Lee, actress
*Ben Lexcen, yachtsman
*Nasenbluten, hardcore techno outfit
*Justin Norris, swimmer
*Miranda Otto, Actress 
*Dein Perry, "tap dogs" founder
*The Porkers, ska punk band
*Susie Porter, actress
*Lee Priest, professional bodybuilder 
*Mark Richards, 7 time world title holder surfer 
*Mikey Robbins, comedian 
*Dave Sands, boxer 
*John Scholey, businessman & colliery proprietor 
*Yahoo Serious, comedian 
*Silverchair, rock band	 
*Godfrey Tanner, scholar	 
*Charles Upfold, soap manufacturer
*McKenzie Wark, writer
*Marcus Westbury, festival director and writer	 
*Sarah Wynter, actress	 
*The Screaming Jets, rock band	 
*Simon Yanis, Rugby Union Hall of Fame
Thanks. JRG 07:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Novocastrians

message: Is this article really worth just a Start-class rating? Auroranorth 13:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Start-class

message: In 2006, Newcastle was named Australia's Worst City for ' Gang Violence '. The city of Newcastle had recorded a number of inncidences during weekend nights. Newcastle's outter suberb infamous gangs are the so called "shorty" boys from Shortland, who already have recordings for attacks and even murders. Another fued is the ' R.P.E ' Rankin Park, Elemorevale street gang. Tensions between these to gangs are qutie calm. It is uknown the population of each gang. Police belive that if an attack between these to gangs broke out they would be able to handle it. Saying this Newcastle is still quite a safe place.
Besides the year 4, level of spelling by Liverpoolmike, has anyone else in Newcastle heard of these alleged gangs. I put it forward that Liverpoolmike has vandalised the page. -- Macr237 11:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually after doing a bit of research and not coming up with anything, I am guessing that this person may even be a Newcastle local, due to knowing the region. The only places not mentioned that are noteworthy, is Mayfield and Windale. I have highlighted all the spelling mistakes, to help you decide if it is a hijack. -- Macr237 12:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I too have my suspicions about the legitimacy of these edits but since the edits weren't by an anonymous IP address I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Nevertheless it's clear that appropriate citations are necessary. If no citations are supplied I'd certainly support removal. --AussieLegend 14:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I have removed them.  I would encourage others to be bold and remove any dubious unsourced claims, especially when they are as poorly written and unencyclopedic as this. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 03:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am only new to this game and I wasn't brave enough, in case I incited the wrath of the mod squad. -- Macr237 07:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violent Gangs 

message: Hello, someone should post a picture of the coat of arms of Newcastle, I believe the colours are brown and show a hill fort? Im not sure but I will look around and see if i can find it.
Shuggyg (talk) 13:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

message: To JRG: I only added the hidden comment about the shipbuilding industry being true because there are quite a few editors who will delete text with the  tag after it has been present for a while and the comment was simply advice for other editors although, since WP:CITE specifically says "All material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a source", not "everything needs a source" and you're not challenging the information, at least according to your comment, the tag probably isn't needed. In fact, despite it being common knowledge, it probably won't be possible to find a citation. A lack of government contracts, particularly in the region of defence, is a major factor that has affected the viability Carrington Slipways at Tomago (now Forgacs) and ADI at Carrington and closed the Rushcutter class minehunter production facility at Tomago and the State Dockyard in Newcastle but it's unlikely that a reference that confirms this exists. --AussieLegend 02:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newcastle today 

message: Much of the content in this section reads like a tourist brochure. (As a Novocastrian, I do agree with some sentiments here, but they are not encyclopedic). I'll make some edits to restore NPOV. Bruiseviolet (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found in my time editing cities that sports and music seem to be the two things that attract the most cruft - I'm still not sure why. All of the capital cities bar one lost their GA status a few months ago because of this sort of stuff. Orderinchaos 05:39, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports 

message: I'm suggesting creating its own article, I don't want to lose things like radio stations but it's a lot of detail for a main article. Michellecrisp (talk) 04:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Media

message: Currently, article says Newcastle is the largest coal export harbour in the world, exporting 80.2 million tonnes of coal yet Hebei reports higher coal exports that "Qinghuangdao Port is the world's first and largest port to transport more than 200 million tons of coal"
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90884/6363571.html
http://www.portstrategy.com/archive101/2008/april/news_asia/coal_cluster_at_hebei
Michellecrisp (talk) 00:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Biggest coal export port

message: Maybe somebody should write up a new page containing the history of Newcastle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghoongta (talk • contribs) 06:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to be WP:BOLD and start one if you wish. -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Newcastle 

message: At a time of unparalelled interest in the CBD of Newcastle because of the recent decision of the GPT commercial group a list of the many reports on the rail and the city of Newcastle done through governments or semi-government agencies would be most helpful.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.228.139 (talk) 13:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Rail debate 

message: It would be of some help to find a map of the city in this information thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.20.20 (talk) 01:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  City Map