Talk:List of Airbus A380 orders and deliveries

message: SkyMark have cancelled their A380 orders.
Sorry I don't know how to update the list.
Solarsail.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.85.22 (talk) 16:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Options column 

message: Emirats last 8 its some time firmed and sometime not. Emirates saying they have 55 on order so I think it can be not pinked. The "VIP" its werry posible one off emirates how going to the shake I belive becos hi wont its NOW and not waiting for yers for it.
The laste delivery shoving that Emirates its taking testframe CN 9 + 7 !?!?!?!
2007-09-27 MW
--85.230.176.195 18:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emirates 

message: Intresting UPS still not cansled. The loggo still flying in the test frames. The FrdX wos erased werry son after cansling the order buth not UPS buth they saying they shod do that in the sommer(2007??) perhaps only an showing off. The time will tel...
2007-09-27 MW
--85.230.176.195 18:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A380-800F 

message: The long spoken VIP its comfirmed bye Airbus on http://www.airbus.com/en/myairbus/headlinenews/index.jsp.
"Airbus books record sales for its family of corporate, executive and VIP jetliners
25 September 2007"
"A record number of sales have been logged so far this year by the Airbus Executive and Private Aviation team, including five VIP A330s/A340s, and the first-ever order for an A380."
The customer its not reviled (I still think one off the Emirates).
2007-10-01 MW
--85.230.176.195 17:36, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VIP 

message: This is difficult information to source... it is useful, but does it even belong?  Are there suitable examples for other aircraft types on Wikipedia?  --Ctillier 05:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production list 

message: Its the ILFC frames that Emirates taking (MSN025 & MSN028) leased or ar they bying them from ILFC ??
2007-10-16 MW 85.230.176.195 18:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Emirates / ILFC

message: Press reports indicate that Kingfisher is considering converting its 5 options into firm orders.  That's not the same thing as announcing an order, let alone firming it, so they should not (yet) be counted in the article!  Otherwise, why not add Iberia, Air India, and whatever other airlines are 'considering' an order.  As long as there is no announcement, letter of intent, or memorandum of understanding, it shouldn't be counted.
Does anyone object to the removal of the possible Kingfisher order from the 2008 total?  --Ctillier (talk) 04:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absent any disagreement, I have deleted the future Kingfisher order.  The link provided http://www.livemint.com/2008/01/13235805/Kingfisher-doubles-A380-orders.html only quotes Vijay Mallya as "planning to convert the options to confirmed orders" and states Kingfisher "will buy" more A380s.  That's great, and we can add it when it actually happens.  --Ctillier (talk) 04:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingfisher follow-on order 

message: If the information is right, they use their 3 options, also it should be 48 options total and not 51 anymore. Cirrocumulus (talk) 13:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean Airlines  follow-on order / Total options 

message: Don't you think, it would be better only to show the firm orders? I think the MOU/LOI/Announcements could have a place in the "Orders and commitments sorted by chronology"  list (not adding to the totals), but not included elsewhere (totals, diagrams, lists) until firmed. It's not firm until in the books. Some MOU/LOI/announcements need a lot of time to be firmed, sometimes they get not firmed at all.
If there is no reason to do otherwise I would change those items. I was not logged:Cirrocumulus (talk) 15:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firm orders / LOI 

message: Anybody know why this page has a production list, I would not thought it is notable and can be externally referenced. Is it going to be maintained when production is in the hundreds? MilborneOne (talk) 10:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's interesting and noteworthy in the first few years of the program, especially in light of the production delays.  As for referencing, a picture of an aircraft in the air should be sufficient evidence that it has indeed flown --Ctillier (talk) 05:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not concerned with referencing more with the notability of a list like this, when would you suggest it stops after 100,200 900. With a few hundred aircraft in-service it would need daily maintenance to keep it updated. None of the individual aircraft are really notable, the prototype and first in-service are covered in the main article. MilborneOne (talk) 12:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is OK to have until the production is ramped up to the 44/year. Cirrocumulus (talk) 14:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved recent comment by Jackelfive to more recent discussion here. -- Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 13:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Production List

message: Does anybody have information about that? I think it is not correct after the new schedule.Cirrocumulus (talk) 14:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: EIS: Korean Air, Malaysia Airlines, 2008?

message: While it appears to be a firm order, I'd wait until the confirmation is in the orders book (or an official  press release). But I think it has to be booked as one customer (Grupo Marsans) and not as 2 independent ones. Cirrocumulus (talk) 15:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grupo Marsans / Air Comet / Aerolineas Argentinas 

message: I just added a table with orders and deliveries by year, using the Airbus official numbers. Only the year 2006 maybe controversial, in the Airbus documents I couldn't find the cancellation from Fedex, but it was 2006 (otherwise the numbers don't add too). With this I updated the graph.Cirrocumulus (talk) 20:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orders and deliveries by year 

message: I just added a new graph, it contains the same information as the net orders by year, but I think it gives a better idea of the developing of orders. Should we have the two, or only one of these? Cumulative or net by year?Cirrocumulus (talk) 07:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New graph: cumulative net orders 

message: Please wait until an official statement appears, or better, the official orders book. The number of 196 was stated here Headline news. Airbus S.A.S. :http://www.airbus.com/en/myairbus/headlinenews/index.jsp "The A380 has garnered a total of 196 firm orders from 17 customers, plus four additional commitments, ... , along with new orders/commitments from such important customers as British Airways and Grupo Marsans in Argentina, Enders explained. " It is not clear what are orders and what commitments, it is not official and it is not error-free (Grupo Marsans is actually Spain, not Argentina-based). Please wait until official releassment in 10 days, thanks!Cirrocumulus (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orders: 192 

message: I did not find it in the legend nor does eis apply in any way. 85.179.191.176 (talk) 19:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK Entry Into Service - the date an aircraft gets handed over to the airline and/or begins revenue service. --Denniss (talk) 21:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does EIS stand for? 

message: Can somebody explain to me how to reset this pages into the previous format as the display at the moment is awfull.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joefourie (talk • contribs) 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A380 orders and deliveries 

message: Its romer from Germany taht Emirates have taking the 3 early slots from Malaysia Airlines. The MSN shodd bee 018, 024 and 032, and tahat its the order signed 11 november 2007. Pleas do not changin befor enny more info its avible. Therfor its werry likly that all the Emirates reggs its change like some saying for the MSN009. Mvh Mattias W
85.225.97.155 (talk) 19:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Translation: It's rumour from Germany that Emirates have taken the 3 early slots from Malaysia Airlines. The MSNs should be 018, 024 and 032 and it's the order signed on 11 November 2007. Please do not change this before any more information is available. It's very likely that all of the Emirates registrations will change, like some people are saying for MSN009...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.103.122 (talk) 01:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malaysia Airlines slots / Emirates

message: I heard the very large 517kN turbofan engines from B-777 are now undergoing a further design table upgrade to 645kN and can be manufactured, if there is any interest. Should it be possible have twin-engined Airbus 380 then?
Supposedly this would reduce operating costs as much as 30% due to lower maintenance needs, although the need to have Antonov-124 to haul drop-in replacements for those mega-engines does drive up costs. Anyhow, airlines generally hates tri-jets and four-jets, because jet engines and engine technicians are quite expensive and the more engines you have per plane, the less fuel economy you get, which hurts in the pocket these days due to sky-high oil prices. 82.131.210.162 (talk) 11:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry this page is to discuss the related article on orders and deliveries, it is not a blog or a place to ask general questions. MilborneOne (talk) 16:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four engines bad, two engines good! 

message: The wording of the press releases from Etihad and Airbus are somewhat unclear. From Flightglobal this order is for 10 new A380, but the former 4 are cancelled (Airbus told something like "near to 200 orders" and not 200 orders reached). It is better to wait until the order list for July is released. Some orders take quit a while until the real firm order is placed. I prefere to stick to the 192 orders until then. 
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/07/17/225839/farnborough-2008-etihad-switching-four-test-a380s-for-10-new-build.html 
Cirrocumulus (talk) 20:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etihad Airways order/ Total orders 

message: Was looking at this and since it's more towards the specifications on the A380 main page, should we merge both sections? Any objections? - Planenut (talk) 01:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is too detailed for the main article, it could stay as a description for the orders table.Cirrocumulus (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree, it is getting unnecessarily trivial for an encyclopedia article! - Ahunt (talk) 02:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So, um, what does everyone want to do with this table?  Leave it in place, merge it with the "Models" table (MTOW only?), delete it altogether, some other option?--Father Goose (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would certainly support merging the MTOW info into the models table and getting rid of the rest. - Ahunt (talk) 00:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A380 Types Matrix 

message: Is this not max weight specs for the 841, 861, and 842, respectively?  (the source PDFs don't make this entirely clear, but it seems likely).  If so, it should be merged into the "models" table.  Personally, I'd only add MTOW so as not to cramp the table.--Father Goose (talk) 00:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it is getting unnecessarily trivial for an encyclopedia article! - Ahunt (talk) 02:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So, um, what does everyone want to do with this table?  Leave it in place, merge it with the "Models" table (MTOW only?), delete it altogether, some other option?--Father Goose (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would certainly support merging the MTOW info into the models table and getting rid of the rest. - Ahunt (talk) 00:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Variants table

message: The production list is really the only interesting aspect of this entire category.  I have found 5 different websites that direct traffic back to this page, just for the production list.  If planespotters are using it for their purposes, so be it, if it is driving traffic back to the site.  I personally only look at this page for the production list, as I feel thousands of others do. It looks to me that only four people want to remove it, for their own reasons, without considering the value to others.  This issue really should be reviewed by an administrator, as it looks like a few viewers are trying to have their way, and remove information that others enjoy.  I put forth that if you do not like this information, then don't look at it, as many others find it extremely entertaining and very useful.  I also put forth that four people do not make a quorum that can decide for removal on a website used by millions. 24.125.95.102 (talk)Everton44
:Consensus is the means by which these things are decided on Wikipedia, and the consensus has to be forged amongst those that show up for the discussion.  That means you, I, and the half-dozen or so other people who have commented on this issue so far.  It doesn't mean that the majority view wins, but rather that one way or another all of us present are going to have to resolve our differences and decide on what is the best way forward.  
:It isn't that we want to get rid of the production list, per se.  There are several issues involved that make Wikipedia a poor choice to host it.  The most important is the question of verifiability: much of the production information comes from plane spotters' personal reports, which are not considered reliable sources on Wikipedia.  Another is that Wikipedia strives to be a readable reference work, not a collection of data or directory.  A third issue is a combination of technical limitations and a desire to keep the encyclopedia structure in easily-digested chunks, the rationale for which is laid out at WP:SIZE.  This table fails to align with each of those principles, especially as it grows larger and larger.
:We're not saying we want to get rid of the table, just that Wikipedia isn't the right place to host it.  A site with a different set of constraints and goals would be a better place for it.  This article can link to the new location of the table, for the benefit of those readers that want the highly detailed statistics of what is happening to each and every plane.  Other readers, who might only be interested in an overview of A380 orders, will be better served by a shorter page containing only that overview, with the option to view the full list of planes elsewhere.  For the reasons listed above, Wikipedia is not the right place to host the full list.  Is it so vital that the list be on Wikipedia itself?  Especially given that it jives with Wikipedia's general standards of verification and content presentation, wouldn't it be better to transfer it to a different site, where its ongoing presence will not be embattled?--Father Goose (talk) 04:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've transferred it to http://plane.spottingworld.com/A380_production_list and added a link to the table's new location to this article.--Father Goose (talk) 05:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. --John (talk) 05:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nicely explained! - Ahunt (talk) 11:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a good solution! Thanks! Cirrocumulus (talk) 11:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Second the thanks to Father Goose, an elegant solution and a better location for this type of information. MilborneOne (talk) 12:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Fixed.--Father Goose (talk) 18:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The exact list that used to be in this article is now at http://plane.spottingworld.com/A380_production_list .  If any of it is wrong or old information, it was wrong here on Wikipedia too.  If you know where to find better information and want to correct the article, create an account at Spottingworld and fix it.--Father Goose (talk) 23:30, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons to keep the production list 

message: hi, the table contains the customer and the # of planes = 220 and the graph contains also the customers + Air Comet and the # of planes is 204 (4 for air comet), and in the introduction it`s said that the # is 200. Plz someone explane that to me!! thx Mohamed Salim Nashwan -  محــ سالم ــمد  نشوان (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  firm A380-800 orders by customer, with details table and graph

message: For Lufthansa and China Southern the dates are different in both tables. Is it a good idea to have two tables or should they both be merged into one? --84.119.66.178 (talk) 16:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistencies 

message: I was wondering whether we should add the deliveries to the bar graph. In my view this has a number of advantages. (1) It adds information to an otherwise rather empty graph.  (2) It shows in one look the time lag between order and delivery (3) it shows the current order portfolio (i.e. those on order but not delivered) as the diff between the bars, while it also shows the total order (size of bar). It would look like this
 A380 firm net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year)
ImageSize  = width:auto height:250 barincrement:46
PlotArea   = left:50 bottom:15 top:10 right:18
AlignBars  = justify
DateFormat = yyyy
Period     = from:0 till:250
TimeAxis   = orientation:vertical
ScaleMajor = unit:year increment:50 start:0
PlotData=
  color:skyblue width:46
  bar:2001 from:start till:85 text:85
  bar:2002 from:start till:95 text:95
  bar:2003 from:start till:129 text:129
  bar:2004 from:start till:139 text:139
  bar:2005 from:start till:159 text:159
  bar:2006 from:start till:166 text:166
  bar:2007 from:start till:189 text:189
  bar:2008 from:start till:198 text:198
  color:powderblue width:46
  bar:2009 from:start till:200 text:200
  color:red width:46
  bar:2007 from:start till:1 text: 1
  bar:2008 from:start till:13 text: 13
  bar:2009 from:start till:16 text: 16
Arnoutf (talk) 21:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  proposal to adapt bar graph 

message: Someone may like to add details of the 4 A380s (+2 options) ordered by Skymark Airlines in Japan. Details here and here. --DAJF (talk) 10:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should we? It's not an order as it's not even noticed at Airbus or EADS website. They may want to order the aircraft next year (or just get some press coverage). --Denniss (talk) 12:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, to keep the article up-to-date and accurate would seem to be the most obvious reason, but if there are specific criteria for what orders can or cannot be included here, then fair enough. That is why I mentioned it on this talk page rather than just barging in and adding the data myself. --DAJF (talk) 13:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Press Release by Skymark Airlines here.--118.9.58.182 (talk) 13:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly very interesting. The reason why people here are reluctant to add things, is that such "promises" are often not finalized. E.g. President Bush/Obama ahve announced orders before which never materialized. That's why there is a hard rule for these tables: it should be the signing of a "firm order". That having said: this one seems indeed quite serious, so I think (hope) it will be firmed up soon... L.tak (talk) 14:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I (maybe prematurely) reverted the addition of the skymark order as it is an MOU "only" according to Airbus. However, it is announced, so I guess we could keep it in the "orders and commitments bij date"-section, indicating ** (which means "** Commitment, not a firm order", but which is not used at the moment). L.tak (talk) 18:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to add it until it is an order this is not a news service and as an encyclopedia we can wait until an order is confirmed. MilborneOne (talk) 20:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Should be on February O&D then. We'll see. Slasher-fun (talk) 21:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Skymark Airlines order

message: and mention Asiana, but not the increased total? I would agree that the calculation 234+6=240 could constitute original research, but we don't have to do this, because Airbus does it for us here! I don't see the point waiting for them to update the table... L.tak (talk) 19:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because we wait for Airbus to update their spreadsheet. We often had the problem that orders announced as firm orders were not so firm and were aded to the spreadsheet much later. --Denniss (talk) 21:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me get that straight: announced as firm orders by airbus on their own website? I'll let myself be convinced by a single example... L.tak (talk) 22:03, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, here's one : announced as "firm order" like Asiana's one (including the "Including this contract, total firm orders for the aircraft now stand at 196 from 17 customers"), never appeared in any O&D document. Slasher-fun (talk) 22:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, so much for airbus press releases as reliable primary sources. That's disappointing. But indeed a good justification for waiting for the tables! my mistake, L.tak (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  why exactly are we not going to 240 orders? 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of Airbus A380 orders and deliveries's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "1st SIA flight":
From Airbus: 
From Airbus A380: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:19, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of Airbus A380 orders and deliveries]] 

message: ILFC today signed an MoU to convert their 10 A380-800 orders to 100 A320neo orders, so we need to update this page to reflect that.
I performed a significant number of edits, however someone made some partial edits (leaving the ILFC order data in places) so there was an edit conflict. I replaced the page with my edits, but the page was subsequently reverted back to the original page by L.tak as it's currently an MoU so the order technically is still in effect until such time as they sign the formal paperwork to cancel it.
I'm willing to replace the page with my edited one, but am posting this to see if we can agree on the edits that need to be made.
Kiskaloo (talk) 19:21, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As we have a reliable sources like flightglobal that say the order is cancelled I dont see why it cant be removed, if we have concern that it is still "on the books" we can add a note somewhere to that effect. MilborneOne (talk) 20:03, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me clarify a bit. We have reliable sources stating there is an MOU and that is likely to be executed. But anything less then a firm order (or a firm cancellation if that exists) is always a grey area. For all the previous additions (I could give examples, but looking at the talk page+archives will show several examples) in the past years we have always waited for the firm orders, simply because it's the only thing which gets cancelled etc (MOUs just disappear without anyone knowing...). It's even that strong that some would agree (and have reason, see discussion in Jan) that disclosure of a full order only counts if airbus puts it in its order book at the beginning of the next month. I am not saying we should do that..., but I think we should be evenhanded with respect to orders as well as cancellations... L.tak (talk) 20:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand your caution over orders particularly as you say when they are MoU and I dont have a problem with waiting for official confirmation for orders. But as this is a cancellation albeit tied in with the MoU for the A320s as the ILFC said This new agreement with Airbus will replace ILFC’s prior commitment for ten A380s.  Perhaps leave the line for ILFC but zero the numbers and add a note about the A320 order tie in. We may have to add a note about the cancellation to the totals. Most readers would not really know the logic behind it and would expect the entry to be removed so a note would be the best, but see what others think. MilborneOne (talk) 20:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

text: That seems reasonable, just to repeat ILFC press release MilborneOne (talk) 21:14, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree it's reasonable to somehow mention it. My suggestion would be to put place the 10 as (10)note but could also live with placing a 0 with a note...  L.tak (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Since April O&D sheet will be out in a few days, can't we just wait to have a reliable source? Slasher-fun (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't get the logic, if there is an order we have to wait until it's on the books, same aplies to a cancellation, or not?Cirrocumulus (talk) 13:06, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ILFC Cancellation 

message: Just after looking on net trying to find list of deliveries by date in a simple format but unable to find it. When I saw the title of this I expected to find it. If some one has this info I think it would be a good addition. The table could have column for Date, Customer etc. As of today looking at the article it would have 48 entries. 
Something like this
Delivery	Date          	Customer
1       	15 August 2007	Singapore Airlines
2       	-             	-
3       	-             	-
4       	-             	-
etc     	-             	-
Leo1977 (talk) 13:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, it's been decided it was a bit too much, so those data are available on the external wiki you can find in the "see also" section. Slasher-fun (talk) 13:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is the "see also" section ?. Looking at the Internet today I came across many articles dealing with production delays on the A380. Most articles for the last number of years up to the present time quote Airbus as stating that production has yet to stabilize and giving predictions of how many deliveries per month they expect to reach by a certain time. A list of deliveries would enable viewers to see what progress is being made. The title of this article is inaccurate if no list of deliveries is included, without it it should be called something like "List of Airbus A380 orders and deliver statistics"  Its not as if there are hundreds of deliveries at this time, don't think it will make the article overly cumbersome. Leo1977 (talk) 19:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You can find an excellent production list from the 1st link under the External links section right at the bottom of the article.  One can sort the table by delivery date and it gives a very good indication on the progress in A380 production/deliveries.  It is regularly updated, and so it was felt that there was no point in having it in this article as well.  Ivowilliams (talk) 23:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delivery dates ? 

message: Should section 1.1 be labelled 'Deliveries' or should the heading be altered to reflect the data actually contained which is 'First Commercial Flight'. The table above already outlines deliveries. Evanderm (talk) 20:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section 1.1 Deliveries or First Commercial Flight 

message: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/29/uk-deutschelufthansa-brief-idUSLNE78S04G20110929
- Fan Railer (talk) 03:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: and again, bad secondary sources. Neither LH nor Airbus stated this as firm order. LH board of directors just approveds the purchase of several aircraft. It'll be announced once it's firm. This is wikipedia, not a news site; we don't have to jump on every bandwagon just because some sites claim an order as firm without proof. --Denniss (talk) 05:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Order from Lufthansa... 

message: This voting about flags and country info in orders might concern even this article. Tagremover (talk) 08:00, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Talk:Sukhoi_Superjet_100#Vote_on_flag_removal]]

message: Still awaiting a primary source from Airbus to be released with its May orders and deliveries report, but for now, it is good to keep an eye on these developments:
http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/05/air-austral-cancels-orders-for-840-seat-a380s-report/
https://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/newsletter.php?view=32
Fan Railer (talk) 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Austral Cancels Order? 

message: In the "By customer" table, the "Deliveries" column adds up to 79, but at the bottom, and elsewhere in the article, and in the A380 article, it says 77. It looks like the discrepancy is due to +1 for both Malaysia Airlines and Thai Airlines compared to what it says in the lead. RenniePet (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent numbers 

message: In  the table of "Firm Orders" the sum of the number of orders by airline is 249, but the number at the bottom of the table is 264.  It appears that someone removed the Kingfisher and Hong Kong Airline orders, but didn't change the table sums.  The main A380 page has the same problem, showing 262 orders.  It would seem appropriate to keep those orders listed, but indicate that they have fallen through, by listing '-15' in the number of orders for 2012 or 2013.
--Spencer Klein, Berkeley.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.197.40 (talk) 04:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are right, the numbers don't add up.  The operators list doesn't either.  The true numbers are given in Airbus's own Orders and Deliveries spreadsheet, which is published monthly, last on 28 Feb 2013.  If we are patient and wait until Easter Monday we will probably be able to reset ALL the tables then.  The errors creep in during the month when people do partial, incremental edits based on all kinds of other sources.  The actual number in the February 2013 spreadsheet is 262.  On Monday that will b at least 264, maybe more.  When it is published it would be good if somebody could correct ALL the tables and summaries in both Airbus A380 and Orders and Deliveries. Cancelled orders may be of interest to record somewhere but of course cannot be included in the Firm Orders and shouldn't contribute to the total orders.  If we take the Airbus spreadsheet as gospel an use only that, then our numbers updates will be very simple and they will always add up. Ex nihil (talk) 06:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers don't add up 

message: Why, since Emirates ordered an aditional 50 A380 on November 17, 2013, are they nowhere mentioned in your list?
Thanks for correcting!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.53.85.67 (talk) 12:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably because it's not on the official list at http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/backstage/orders_deliveries_table/November_2013_-_Airbus_Orders_Deliveries.xls ? They will hopefully soon catch up with what was announced at http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-events-single/detail/emirates-orders-50-additional-a380s-boosting-fleet-to-140/ --David Biddulph (talk) 13:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emirates Orders 

message: I have protected the article due to an edit war on what is regarded as a source for the article, please discuss and come to a consensus, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 22:36, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It was unreasonable to keep the article protected when the discussion had a clear consensus and no input for over a week, that said I have gone back to semi-protection to encourage the IPs to discuss the issue. MilborneOne (talk) 10:10, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article protected

message: How does one edit the consolidated figures, that are common to this article and the A380 article? It looks like a macro, and it is beyond my wikki-skills to know where the macro resides. (Reason I want to edit it is that the orders numbers are inconsistent - one table says 20 orders in 2014, the other says zero.) RenniePet (talk) 22:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a template. Edit at Template:A380 Orders and Deliveries. But I have corrected it already. Took out the 20 unofficials. Ex nihil (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, I'll try to remember that. RenniePet (talk) 06:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: If the table lists the first commercial flights, it should be called that...not "first deliveries". Either change the name of the section to "First commercial flights", change the table to list the date of the first delivery to each airline, or change the section to "First deliveries and commercial flights" and have a column for each event in the table. AHeneen (talk) 10:17, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, I have changed the title to First commercial flights by each airline MilborneOne (talk) 10:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have an opinion about including both delivery date & first commercial flight date in table? AHeneen (talk) 10:23, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thinking about it the delivery to the airline is probably more notable to this page, the first scheduled service date is more significant to the aircraft article when listing operators. Perhaps just change it to first deliveries. MilborneOne (talk) 10:42, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cannot do that without changing all those dates.  The dates are commencement of service.  Ex nihil (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I forgot to comment here, but I had already changed the dates to the date of first delivery (and removed refs to first flights) when you changed the section title. All dates shown are the date of first delivery. AHeneen (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah! Well, I'd better change the titles back.  First delivery dates are a lot easier to reference than first service dates but others may have a view on that because the consensus to date has been to record the service date. Ex nihil (talk) 08:28, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: First deliveries

message: Korean Air To Debut Ninth Airbus A380 on 6 July http://www.superadrianme.com/travel/korean-air-ninth-airbus-a380/http://www.superadrianme.com/travel/korean-air-ninth-airbus-a380/
:Hardly notable in the big scheme of things. MilborneOne (talk) 17:27, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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message: Please update the number of A380s delivered to Emirates - the total number is 49 http://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html}}
: Probably true but cannot be updated because the sum would not then match the official monthly Airbus O&D numbers and introduce discrepancies.  Will be updated as a matter of course when the next Airbus O&D is published.  Be patient. Ex nihil (talk) 08:46, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a source. The current Orders & Deliveries list published monthly by Airbus still lists 48 deliveries (through 31 May 2014). I did not find any press release on the Emirates website or any news using Google (searched: "a380 delivery emirates june 2014" & "a380 delivery emirates July 2014") that Emirates has received their 49th A380. I see the source. I have checked the aircraft's registration (A6-EEW) and it is flying  according to FlightRadar24. I'll update the list. Delivered 27 June per  & . AHeneen (talk) 08:54, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Updating this puts all the totals out.  We know it's in service but previous discussions decided to rely only on the official Airbus O&D to prevent the inevitable discrepancies introduced by using multiple sources such as this one. It will all come out in the wash eventually and the new Airbus figures are due now but I would recommend not updating it right now to avoid confusion - or the next comment will be that the totals do not sum or the sums do not match the quoted sources or the tables disagree with each other.  Slightly lagging numbers are considered the lesser of two evils.  Ex nihil (talk) 09:16, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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message: After updating the table to reflect the new Emirates deliveries total (section above), I received the following message on my talk page:
I searched the talk page to find support for the claims and see the discussions. However, I think it is a bit misleading to not have the list displayed without any note to readers that the list is based on the monthly Airbus spreadsheet. (Although many Wikipedia pages aren't constantly kept up-to-date,) Readers expect the list to be accurate without any note to the contrary (eg. "As of [date]"). I also think it is very unhelpful to editors (like me) to not have some type of note on the page (like a hidden note) that only the Airbus O&D report is to be used to update the table. Therefore, when changing the 49-->48, I added a note about the source ("The following orders have been placed and deliveries made, according to Airbus, as of 31 May 2014:[ref]") and a hidden note to other Wikipedia editors ("ATTENTION EDITORS!! Please use only the Orders and Deliveries report published by Airbus to update the table. The most recent report can be found as a link on this page: http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/"). A note about how to adjust the table to stay accurate should also be made who understands what needs to be mentioned. I think an administrator is needed to add a note to the editing page (what is displayed above the edit box when editing), which may also be helpful. AHeneen (talk) 13:29, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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message: Since Airbus has officially confirmed the cancellation, there does not seem to be a point in keeping that order listed until the spreadsheet got updated. CorrectKissinTime (talk) 21:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: seems to me the table could keep Skymark but put the number at zero (and like for other changing orders) so long as it does not require revamping the format tremendously, why not have the table contain extra information like growing or shrinking orders? that shows a history of the project which is useful to know about programs which over time become big hits or failures. 69.201.168.196 (talk) 23:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skymark cancellation 

message: Looks like the order from Kingdom Holding Company for one executive flying palace is no longer in Airbus' spreadsheet, so it should go in the orders table as a cancellation? Then the total would be correct. RenniePet (talk) 21:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Added to main. Not sure how to add here. Dubois, Thierry. "Airbus Cancels Only VVIP A380 Order" AINonline, 5 February 2015. Accessed: 16 February 2015. TGCP (talk) 12:08, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingdom Holding Company cancellation 

message: Source [10] link is broken. Correct link: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32347783
Slalom2209 (talk) 18:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Amortias (T)(C) 00:51, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2015 

message: This page needs archiving and the article needs updating. It still got Transaero and VA orders in it. I understand that VA's lack of interest is hard to prove by a reliable source, but Transaero doesn't even exist anymore! And Aeroflot is too busy getting rid of their 787s to care about the Superjumbo order. How many times have I said NOT to put Transaero's order in that table but NO, they kept saying there's (OMG!) a memorandum of understanding. DUH! Le Grand Bleu (talk) 10:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update and archiving needed 

message: Hello.
Transaero Airlines went bankrupt and the Russian government is shutting it down on October 26th.
This should mean that their order is cancelled. Can someone confirm if this is correct and then update the orders list?
Thanks.
24.86.109.134 (talk) 17:39, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We should just wait for the primary source to be updated, as usual. Some other airline may take over the orders Transaero had for example. Slasher-fun (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transaero Airlines bankruptcy 

message: Iran Air article states 12 orders. ?? Rcbutcher (talk) 10:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: They have only signed an agreement to order, they have not actually ordered them yet but it is expected in the next few months. MilborneOne (talk) 20:31, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Then surely for consistency the Iran Air article should apply the same rule ? Rcbutcher (talk) 02:13, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It should - I have changed the Iran Air article. MilborneOne (talk) 17:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Iran Air article currently states " Iran has reached to an agreement with Airbus group to buy 114 aircraft". Sounds like a purchase to a layperson like me. Rcbutcher (talk) 10:24, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Purchase agreement is not a firm order, only an agreement to purchase something in the (near) future. This special order may depend on permissions from various other organizations, both in Iran and Europe. --Denniss (talk) 11:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Iran Air order ?

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message: The Air France data needs to be updated: http://www.wsj.com/articles/air-france-klm-drops-order-for-two-airbus-a380s-1458149046  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.140.23.90 (talk) 14:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: The Air Austral order seems to be only recorded as -2 instead of first +2 and then the cancellation of -2 in the list of orders and cancellations 202.136.240.130 (talk) 07:51, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: this article lacks a clickable link back to the A380 and could use one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.57.165 (talk) 14:27, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at the very first line of the article "There are 319 firm orders by 19 customers for the passenger version of the Airbus A380-800,..."  The name Airbus A380 is a clickable wikilink which will bring you back to the main article. Arnoutf (talk) 16:26, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: Emirates deliveries should be 100.  See http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2017/11/emirates-welcomes-100th-a380-to-its-fleet.html ChrisJLewis (talk) 10:04, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: I've removed the EK orders from the orders list, but not yet updated the other tables as Still some inconcistency in the numbers.
Plus you've got some 40 options which presumably need to get cancelled. Not sure if there will be a formal announcement about this.
Remaining orders while are presumed to be cancelled.
- 20 Amadeo
- 4 Transareo / 3 Air Accord (I'm not sure where the difference is)
Which gets you back to 251 which I think will be the final number of commercial deliveries.
Moa999 (talk) 07:42, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Should the Emirates total now be 123 with 14 of these still to be delivered. MilborneOne (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Line closure 

message: Record Emirates cancellation of 39 aircraft (from 162 to 123) and Amedeo's cancellation of 20 aircraft (from 20 to 0).
Sources:
Emirates cancellation: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/02/airbus-and-emirates-reach-agreement-on-a380-fleet--sign-new-widebody-orders.html
Amedeo cancellation: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/amedeo-cancels-dormant-a380-order-455780/ 2607:F600:1006:3500:952C:392F:E73F:EB92 (talk) 21:22, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: Closing request as answered  Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 16:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Re-closing as answered. Please put new requests in new sections, and please sign your talk page posts with four tildes ( ~~~~ ). BlackcurrantTea (talk) 04:47, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2019 

message: First A380 (flying HONU) has been delivered to ANA. This edit must be added to this article.
TaraPrasadMishra (talk) 14:37, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  First A380 Delivered to ANA 

message: On the details graph with engine selection
1) You show Rolls-Royce as the engine supplier for Air France's 2 cancellations.  It should be EA.  Air France never ordered Rolls-Royce engines for the A380.  Change Air France's 2 cancellations engine supplier from Rolls-Royce to Engine Alliance
2) For the Emirates 39 cancellations you show all as Rolls-Royce.  This is incorrect.  20 of the 39 cancellations (and all 16 options) never had an engine supplier selected (neither RR or EA).  Please split Emirates's 39 cancellations out into 2 lines.  1 line showing the 20 orders and 16 options that never had an engine supplier - engine choice should be NA (currently you are showing Rolls-Royce).
The second line on the chart should show 19 canceled orders all with Rolls as the engine sypplyer.
3) For the Emirates 20 orders with 16 options, you need to change TBA to NA (no engines will be chosen - the order is cancelled)
Rolls Royce and Engine Alliance both submitted bids for Emirate's 20 orders with 16 options.  Neither engine was chosen and the entire order cancelled.
: DonePaulroepke (talk) 01:07, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request Incorrect engine selection graph 

message: I want to reopen a point of previous discussion. I'm tempted to be bold and change it, but I'd rather persuade than start an edit war.
It's time to update this page to reflect objective reality. I understand that accepted practice is generally to only change order and delivery totals based on the official order books from the airframers. In this case, that means following Airbus's June 2019 guidance, which says that the A380 has 238 deliveries on 290 orders, leaving 52 to go. One is the third frame for ANA, the other 51 are for Emirates, with 111 delivered out of 162. I understand the value of consistent practice, and I understand we shouldn't change totals based on rumors and LOIs that mis-reported in the press.
However, in this case, that policy is keeping us from making an accurate, useful page that will actually inform the wider public.We have kept the order status that way since February, and it's getting silly to proceed this way. We know that Emirates won't take these frames. Emirates has said so. It's been widely reported in the news. I understand that we have a broad policy, but a policy should not be so inflexible as to prevent the flow of useful information to the people who use Wikipedia. An exception should be made. The most compelling reason to do this? Airbus has published its own confirmation that the order is being cancelled. Their press release says, "Following a review of its operations, and in light of developments in aircraft and engine technologies, Emirates is reducing its A380 orderbook from 162 to 123 aircraft. Emirates will take delivery of 14 further A380s over the next two years. As a consequence and given the lack of order backlog with other airlines, Airbus will cease deliveries of the A380  in 2021." That was 14 February 2019. We are now more than five months past that. The A380 line is shutting down in two years, and there are now only 13 aircraft to deliver (111 delivered to Emirates as of June 2019, says Airbus, and -- per the press release -- only 123 total in the order, thus 12 left) and 1 remaining for ANA, again per the 06/2019 order book. We should not keep waiting.
I assume good faith here on the part of everyone. People are trying to be consistent and accurate. However, I have to say that we've reached the point that insisting on sticking to "order book only" numbers is more about form ("We always do it this way") than function ("What is this page for?"). People visiting this particular page presumably want to know how many A380s are left to build. There are 13. The page says 52. We know that the 13 figure is true, Airbus has told us so. We have a 100% verifiable source whose accuracy is absolutely unquestionable. The A380, sadly, is being discontinued, and soon. Thus, sticking to a total of 52 back orders is, I'm sorry to say it, lying to people who aren't as informed about aviation affairs but are genuinely curious about this airplane.
I quote our first policy: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." The WP:Air guidance says we have to stick to the wrong numbers until Airbus's accountants see fit to formally change their numbers (which might, by the way, not happen until 2021). It's time to break that rule, because it's not improving Wikipedia in this case. Five months is long enough. Thanks for listening to and considering my point. Sacxpert (talk) 07:59, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not stating this information is not helpful to the reader indeed. We have more occasions where -to me- obvious errors or inconsistencies were present in what normally would be the most reliable source. A way to solve that is not to change the numbers, but to state both sources, objectively. Something like "the Airbus orderbook includes xxx A380s from Emirates, which Airbus and Emirates have confirmed will not be delivered". L.tak (talk) 09:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

text: I agree with L.tak's approach. I maintained the current guidelines on a previous discussion because I believed Airbus would update their orderbooks within a timely manner, which they have not. At this point, their own information is too outdated to be useful. I think adding a footnote for Emirates's order would work best in synthesizing the two official statements. Specter Koen (talk) 03:39, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to fix this page 

message: 1. ANA had concludes its 3 orders, green blue & orange turtles
2. Probably has only 8 Emirates to be constructed, if not already changed to A350, smaller aircraft, due Coronavirus less travels  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChata (talk • contribs) 17:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Update