Talk:Women in Judaism

message: The interpretation of the sources provided for the existence of prayer groups in the middle ages is unsourced original research. The Kol Bo is referring specifically to Tisha Baav- hardly a direct source for the inference of "woman's prayer groups" (which implies normative praying- not the dirges of Tisha Baav). Additionally, it was common practice in the synagogues of Europe for a knowledgeable woman to repeat the prayers out loud for woman who did not know how to pray. However- and this is crucial- these were not separate "woman's groups," but were in the womans section praying with the men! Basically, a regular minyan with the addition of a woman helping out less knowledgeable congregants. Therefore, the interpretation of these sources as referring to separate "woman's prayer groups" is unsourced speculative original research. 38.117.213.19 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 05:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is Grossman, Avraham. Pious and Rebellious: Jewish Women in Medieval Europe. Translated from the Hebrew by Jonathan Chapman. Brandeis University Press, 2004. . The language is not intended to suggest that what happened in the Middle Ages is precisely the same as what occurs in a contemporary "women's prayer group" or that contemporary groups are successors to the Medieval situation. It is intended only to support that in Medieval Europe, (a) Jewish women prayed in groups separately from men on certain occassions, and (b) it was common for women to lead prayers with respect to other women, and such women were identified specifically as prayer leaders. Both propositions are supported by the source, as you note. We can adjust the language if it implies otherwise. Hope this helps. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We should indeed adjust the language to reflect your above comment. It is worth noting that the term "prayer leader" is loaded. It would imply that a woman led the prayers in a traditional sense i.e. recitation of prayers that require a minyan. I will work on a new draft and post it here for comment before editing the article. 38.117.213.19 (talk) 18:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Woman's Prayer Groups- Question Sources

message: Rabbi Kaplan IIUC conducted the first Bat Mitzvah ceremony, a landmark in Judaism.  He did it while he was still associated with JTS, but this is not noted in the Conservative J section, where he is not mentioned at all.   In the new Recon section only his actions after founding Recon are mentioned.  R Kaplan's career, and its impact on women, started BEFORE he founded Recon, and it seems appropriate to mention it.
Ricardianman (talk) 01:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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message: What should we do with the Debates within Orthodoxy essay? I don't think we should keep it as it is.  Should we dispose of it entirely? I'm not sure how to "rescue" it.  Any thoughts? --GHcool (talk) 22:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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message: The part in the "Rules of modesty" section that claims, "This is reflective of the women's role in being the historical defender of modesty and the purity of the Jewish people" and speaks about the Golden Calf and the heresy at Peor sounds like a bubbemeise.  If it cannot be cited to a reliable source, I propose removing it.  --GHcool (talk) 20:12, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: DONE. --GHcool (talk) 18:28, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  defender of modesty