Talk:Strait of Georgia

message: Can anyone add more info on the possible plans of contructing a tunnel and/or bridge across to the other side? I am also quite curious as to whether any steps have been taken to decide to build infrastructure links across the:
:*Strait of Messina
:*Fehmarn Belt
:*Cook Strait
:*Palk Strait
:*Strait of Tartary
:*Irish Sea
:*Strait of Bonifacio
:*Surigao and San Bernardino Straits
:*Hainan Strait
:*Kvarken
:*Chacao Channel bridge
:*Strait of Magellan
:*Bering Strait
Anyone with inside knowledge on any of these? I've posted similar requests elsewhere. Gruesome Twosome! 8v] //Big Adamsky 20:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess is that the idea of a bridge or tunnel across the open part of the Georgia Strait is less likely than a year round manned station on Mars.  However, there was once a plan, a hundred years ago, to bring make Victoria, British Columbia the pacific terminus of the railway by bringing it out to the coast at Bute Inlet, and then bridging across some of the Discovery Islands and Seymour Narrows to Campbell River, British Columbia.  Fortunes were lost by investors who banked on that plan.  There is some reference to it in E and N Railway amd in the Bute Inlet articles.  Problem with it, is that it would lead to central BC rather than the Lower Mainland.  But at least it isn't a completely ridiculous idea like trying to bridge the Gulf would be.  KenWalker | Talk 08:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixed link across?

message: I just revised this; previously it had stated that the Strait of Juan de Fuca meets the Strait of Georgia at the south end of Vancouver Island.  This is untrue.  The Strait of Georgia does not TOUCH the southern end of Vancouver Island, the Gulf Islands and San Juan Islands are in between.  The Haro Strait does meet the Strait of Juan de Fuca off Victoria, but not the Strait of Georgia.  The problem seems to be the usual confusion of the terms Gulf of Georgia and Strait of Georgia; they are not synonymous.Skookum1 (talk) 19:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was never fond of the satellite image -- rather washed out, and it cuts off the northern end of the Strait of Georgia. I found another one that I think is better, so I'm replacing it. Hope no one minds. Pfly (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: sat image caption

message: As per all major BC articles, they lack in anything refering to the indigenous people except a few lines then jump right into the European explores.  Sometimes they'll go as far as to say "This dude first explored this place and named it so." In any case, I'm wondering if some more indigenous history should be added to the history page, plus Tribal Journeys] (also check here.  In any case, just thought I'd throw it out there if anyone wants to help me on this one.  OldManRivers (talk) 07:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I made the history section a week or two ago because I wanted to add the bit of info I had on the Spanish explorers. I thought of the new section as a "stub" to be added to and fleshed out, by all means! Myself, I have been trying to learn more about the indigenous histories of the Pacific Northwest, but so far am more or less overwhelmed by the complexity. Pfly (talk) 07:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a good way to learn the ropes ;-0 is to try and do the PacNW/West of t he Rockies timeline/writeup on Indian Wars; see various discussions on Talk:Indian Wars including the rename proposal - OMR please note).  I was asked to a long time ago, just not sure enough of events stateside to do it.  Re the Tribal Journeys weblink, it occurred to me looking at it that Canoe (Pacific Northwest) or some such is needed to break up/off Canoe re the big carved/split//steam-pressed canoes of this region; see Dugout (boat)#Indigenous peoples of North America where there's a tidbit, though only one modern-era canoe is named (what was B. Reid's opus?).  War canoe seems a bit cigar-store and would also have to be disambig'd because of Polynesia etc.  BTW on that subject the War Canoe Races in Vancouver harbour were the highlight of Dominion Day festivities in Vancouver until the anti-Potlatch wars (nice pics available in Archives/VPL); they were the real tradition here, in the old days anyway, though the Dragon Boat races now are the big shindig with lots of yak about "tradition" as if it were an actual historical tradition here; I'm all for someone bringing back the tribal canoe races, though ;-).Skookum1 (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Skwxwu7mesh do our canoe races in early July at Ambleside Beach. lol OldManRivers (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I kknow, and I know about the Takaya group at Tseil-saututh, too.  What I meant was to restore the pan-coastal races held on what is now Canada Day in the harbour, prob. now have to be in English Bay because of ship traffic.  The pic I saw looked like over a hundred, at least several dozen, canoes....quite the spectacle; I'll see if I can find the image-link someday, if it's in the online collections.16:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pan-coastal?  Were these our cedar sea-going dug out canoes? (Like this? ).  Because we have those too.  OldManRivers (talk) 19:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  The canoes in the shot I saw looked very large; the picture was taken from a distance, on top of a building, not sure which one..  I think the photo was in VPL, there's an earlier one maybe in BC Archives which shows the British fleet and some canoes present for the opening of the CPR in 1885.  You have better access to VPL than I do, since you can actually go over there and look; don't think it's in their online collection, they're pretty stingy with that.  But looking for it, I'm sure the librarians will help you; I'll see if I can find the Archives one, as its caption included the battleship HMS Triumph, I remember.Skookum1 (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not x-ref'd under the Triumph at BC Arch, but you might want to look through and snitch pictures from this. :-).  Gonna search "races" too.Skookum1 (talk) 19:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yahoo!1 Hit the jackpot on pics of canoe races anyway.  chek 'em out, I'm sure you'll find something useful here...NB the Alert Bay races.Skookum1 (talk) 20:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yea, this was a search just for "canoe". 406 entries, not all of them to do with canoes, e.g. Canoe Pass.Skookum1 (talk) 20:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Wakashan is a language group that includes the "Nootka" (Nuu-chah-nulth)/Ditidah/Makah (really all the same language, just different dialects), the Kwakwaka'wakw ("Kwak'wala-speakers" aka incorrectly as the Kwakiutl, which is from a specific-group name within them), the Haisla, Heiltusk and Wuikinuxv (aka Owekeeno/Rivers Inlet people); those last three were in teh past incorrectly called "Northen Kwakiutl".  At least one old map portrays Vancouver Island as the "Wakish Nation", which is no doubt grating to Island Salish.Skookum1 (talk) 17:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: As noted Dugout (boat) partly covers them, and shows a similar Polynesian method of making them; still "canoe" is what we call 'em in these parts; a dugout is more humble affair in local terminology, and making them doesn't involve the steam-press method for the big ocean-going canoes.Skookum1 (talk) 17:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indigenous histories 

message: I'm in no mood to tweak this right now, and BCGNIS doesn't get it quite right, but "Gulf of Georgia", though not an official name, is in wide use and doesn't mean exactly the same thing as "Strait of Georgia" or "Georgia Strait"; for an example of historical use see here and the subsequent page where the geo-idiom is closed....the author is referring to the waters from the San Juans northward; i.e. the inter-island waterways are included, as are (in British colonial and latter usage) also the SAn Juans; in fact, there is wide mis-use of "Georgia Strait" in referring to locations (such as Chemainus) not actually on the Strait of GEorgia, but which ARE part of the "Gulf of Georgia".  "Towns around the Gulf" or "boaters out on the Gulf" has explicit meaning; but if say a weather forecaster said "vessels on the Strait of Georgia can look forward to 15 knot winds" or some such, he/she is not talking about Ganges Harbour, Haro Strait, Desolation Sound etc etc....anyway "Gulf of Georgia" is an issue I'll take up with my contacts at BCGNIS, but just noting here that the wording of the lede needs adjusting to reflect the reality of that term; which includes waters off of Victoria and Saanich were are NOT part of the "STrait of Georgia" (though often misapplied that way).Skookum1 (talk) 06:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see page 28 of the same book....Skookum1 (talk) 06:45, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Gulf of Georgia

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