Talk:Tokaimura nuclear accidents

message: * An edit by an I.P. contributor (), effectively stated that the blue glow the operators saw was A) seen in the surrounding air, and B) was due to glowing air that had been ionized by neutrons. The assertion was cited to a highly authoritative RS, the Los Alamos National Laboratory, and their article “Criticality accidents report issued”. While that report does indeed mention the Tokaimura Tokaimura nuclear accident, and in still another section of the article in a different context mentions how neutrons passing through air can ionize the air and make it glow blue, it does not say what exactly glowed blue that three operators at Tokaimura witnessed, nor does it say that the air surrounding the tank at Tokaimura glowed blue due to ionized air. Thus, that I.P.’s edit suffered from SYNTH, which is wiki-parlance for making an incorrect inference.Very importantly, the uranium at Tokaimura was in water, which certainly glows very, very brightly during an intense criticality burst due to Cherenkov radiation (charged particles exceeding the speed of light in water). Moreover, the tank had an open top. Whereas there might have been blue-ionized air surrounding the tank due to neutron flux (in addition to intensely glowing water), there is no RS that states this occurred at Tokaimura.What is clear is that the article currently has two, very authoritative sources that do state that a blue glow was A) seen at Tokaimura, and B) was due to Cherenkov radiation. One can infer that since Cherenkov radiation is without-a-doubt seen in water (there are several pictures of this on Wikipedia and many others showing water glowing blue due to Cherenkov radiation), and since there was water in a tank, and since the tank had an open top, the blue glow the operators would logically be due to intensely bright water in the open-topped tank shining blue light upwards and scattering about the room. However, no RS is so explicit about Tokaimura. Also…It might seem plausible to some editors that in addition to what would have undoubtedly been an intense flash of Cherenkov-originated blue light from the water, there could also have been ionized air glowing light blue outside of the tank since high-energy neutrons would have no problem at all passing through six millimeters of steel. But again, no RS identified to date is so explicit to state that this was or was not the case.In fact, all the RSs are silent on what, exactly, glowed blue. Accordingly, Wikipedia must properly remain silent on such conjectured details and narrowly constrain itself to the information provided by the RSs: “All three observed the Cherenkov light flash”. We don’t synthesize contrary to the RS, and we don’t add detail and specificity beyond what the RS provide.  Greg L (talk) 16:17, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Synthesis due to incorrect interpretation of RSs

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message: For the first accident, an explosion in a plant that exposed 40 workers to radiation, I removed the term nuclear disaster. I'm uncertain as to retaining the term for the criticality accident, as there was injury, loss of life, an evacuation, etc. Does anyone have thoughts on the usage of the term nuclear disaster?Wzrd1 (talk) 00:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The use of the term nuclear disaster 

message: At a rough guess from quickly skimming this page, I'd say about half of this page is either plain wrong or misleading due to being half wrong or lacking in detail. Until yesterday when I changed it, for instance, the very first sentence said that both accidents occurred at the Tokai nuclear power station, even though neither of them did.
I was just going to leave it at that but then I realised that I have two weeks off work because of the Christmas holidays, so I'm just putting it out there that I'm going to try and find the time to update this whole page to more accurately reflect these two accidents - neither of which had anything at all to do with each other apart from occurring in the same geographical area. 82.47.246.98 (talk) 22:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page desperately needs modification 

message: The way that Hisashi Ouchi is treated is unacceptable. He suffered one of the most brutally painful and slow deaths in history and they kept him alive    a g a i n s t   his will - and the way he is treated here is as if his treatment and death were humane and according to his will.
unacceptable GeorgeMarg (talk) 13:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: what is the evidence it was against his will? 2601:642:C481:4640:C1D:B27B:F086:55E6 (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Lare response to a late response, but per this Reddit summary of A Slow Death about Ouchi’s tragic ordeal, Ouchi lashed out during a painful treatment session, famously saying he was “not a guinea pig” and wanted to go home. But he never voiced any explicit wish to die and seemed to lose consciousness about 53 days in. Also, doctors were legally obligated to keep him alive even after his case was pretty much hopeless as the family had not issued a “do not resuscitate” order. There’s a ton of misinformation about this case due to its gruesome nature attracting morbid curiosity so finding reliable sources is difficult. If anyone has a copy of the book it’d probably be an excellent source. Dronebogus (talk) 01:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hisashi Ouchi 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Content Area Literacy

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Cold War Science

message: The source cited for the claim that residents were asked to lend any gold they had for testing says nothing of the like. It mentions something made of gold that was tested, but nothing about how that came to happen. Dfeuer (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source cited does not support claim