Talk:Queen Sonja of Norway

message: She doesn't have a last name, so I removed "Sonja Oldenburg". 15:15, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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message: Was Queen Sonja educated at Cambridge University or did she just work in a pub in Cambridge? I can't find a reliable news or other source on this. Bwithh 03:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: Oh, I wish I'd come across this discussion much earlier! I was looking at Maxima's page & completely confused by the Talk pg chatter stating that calling her Queen Maxima was the correct way to do it! I thought, whatever happened to the rule that consorts get called things like Eleanor of Aquitaine & Anne Boleyn? 
Why isn't Maxima's pg called Maxima Zorreguieta? Or Mathilde's pg called Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz? Or Letizia's pg called Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano? Or Sofia's pg called Princess Sophia of Greece and Denmark? Or Silvia's pg called Silvia Sommerlath? Or Maria-Teresa's pg called  María Teresa Mestre y Batista? Or Sonja pg's here being called Sonja Haraldson? Etc, etc. It's stupid that they have to be dead to suddenly revert back to their *maiden names* all of a sudden! What's the issue on re-directs for people who search for them as Queen So & So?
There's Crown Princess Mary of Denmark instead of Mary Donaldson. And Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway instead of Mette-Marit Hoiby. Why not just use their birth names before they demise? No confusion at all that way.
Why does every media outlet in the world say *Kate Middleton* & only Wikipedia says *Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge* when Kate Middleton (9,070,000 hits for KM v 973,000 for C, DoC, that a diff of OVER EIGHT MIL!) is the more common usage? Isn't WP all about the more common usage? WP RE-DIRECTS from KM because we KNOW KM is the more likely search term, so why bother with the C, DoC pg title?
AND saying Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge is the style used for a DIVORCED noblewoman on top of that, just like Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall & Sophie, Countess of Wessex are! It's THE Duchess of Cambridge, THE Duchess of Cornwall, THE Countess of Wessex; they're still married to their husbands! Diana was THE Princess of Wales until she & Charles were divorced, and then she became *Diana, Princess of Wales* BECAUSE SHE WAS DIVORCED. But I'd bet if she'd still been alive & married to Charles when WP began, she would've been called D, PoW anyway!
If it's supposed to be done by titles, then at least get the proper style on them! What about Sophie Rhys-Jones & Camilla Shand (Parker-Bowles) rather than these incorrectly used titles? Catherine Middleton if you wish to give Kate some ducal dignity? (but it'll still need a re-direct from Kate!) Charlene Wittstock or even Charlene of Monaco would be OK; Charlene, Princess of Monaco is NOT. Her title is actually Her Serene Highness THE Princess of Monaco. NO NAMES! The only correct pg is Sarah, Duchess of York....because SHE'S divorced. 
Why does WP go against actual protocol on this stuff? The rules around here do my head in!
Maybe something like *The Princess of Monaco (Charlene Wittstock)* as a pg title instead?
What's wrong with just Maxima of the Netherlands, Mathilde of the Belgians (not Belgium!), Letizia of Spain, Sofia of Spain, Silvia of Sweden, Maria-Teresa of Luxembourg, Sonja of Norway, Mary of Denmark, Mette-Marit of Norway, etc, etc? Even the princesses royal or wives of dangling spares.....Madeleine of Sweden, Alexandra of Luxembourg, Beatrice of the United Kingdom, Laurentien of the Netherlands, Marie of Denmark, etc, etc. Although it's stupid in the long run because they'll just have to be changed to their maiden names when they cork off. But methinks people get the idea that when a person is *Maizy-Rae of Yonder Kingdom*, it generally means they're a royal, or married to one.
The only place a title is OK in the title of a pg for a royal is when it's a title like Prince of Wales. You CAN do Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden (but NOT for Mary & Mette-Marit, as it's their husbands who are the heirs to the thrones, not them!), Leonor, Princess of Asturius, Elisabeth, Princess of Brabant, Catharina-Amalia, Princess of Orange, Ingrid, Hereditary Princess of Norway (& WHY is she called Ingrid Alexandra throughout her article, when no other princess gets the double-name treatment except for Catharina-Amalia, which ought to be obvs due to the hyphenation that it's a single given name), because it denotes their current status as heirs apparent, just as Charles, Prince of Wales or Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway does for the males. We're in a situation now where soon ALL the heirs apparent will be females (except for Denmark & the UK), so WP best get a consistent system for that, & dealing with the influx of not-princesses-by-birth.
Are WP'dians confused here because all but one of these ladies (Sofia of Spain) are commoners, not princesses of the blood royal? There's no longer any Princess of Wherever coming up as a consort. The Catherine of Aragon days are fading into the past. We need a new rule for that now that the royals of Europe are no longer inbreeding.
Like I said, wish 'd seen this when it came up for discussion, If we're not going to call the guys King Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands, King Harald of Norway, King Carl Gustaf of Sweden (ordinals or nay), then we shouldn't be calling their queens consort Queen Maxima, Queen Sonja, Queen Silvia, either. It DOES give off the wrong impression for those not in the royal know of things, like kids researching school reports, or people curious about a royal they've seen in the news for something.
I just did a WP search for *King Harald of Norway*, to see what came up. Yknow what it told me? THIS PAGE DOESN'T EXIST! But wouldn't that be exactly what people would search for? If you're unfamiliar with royalty, you won't recall the ordinal. You'll be lucky to spell his name right (since in English it would be Harold that would spring to mind). But even spelling it the right way, WP says it's got nothin' on him. But then you look down the search results, & the 1st one says *Harald V of Norway*. Um, yes, WP, he DOES exist, for pity's sake! But are kids doing a school report going to scroll past all that stuff at the top & actually see that he does?
Je désespère! ScarletRibbons (talk) 07:03, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
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