Talk:Fashion Institute of Technology

message: Is this a puff piece or what?  216.222.165.97
:No, but its not great! I found half of it missing thanks to a poor edit by Ssermoneta to remove an unlicensed image that corrupted the text and lost the bottom half of the article. All solved now, but still needs a clean-up. Rgds, - Trident13 23:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Puff piece?

message: Does anyone really care that Nikki Hilton dropped out of FIT? Duuuhhhhh.
However, it might be worth noting that the titular character in Betsy's Wedding was a FIT student.
Never mind, I'm removing the Nikki Hilton crap myself.
--UnicornTapestry (talk) 15:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is Nikki Hilton currently doing anything in the fashion industry? If so, it might be relevant. 2600:1700:24D0:2CA0:C1A:3620:133C:6D89 (talk) 00:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who cares? 

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message: The name is bordering on the absurd (and, IMO, is likely just an attempt to seem more credible). Even if they do have technology courses this name cannot
be justified, unlike a hypothetical (but still absurdish) "Institute of Fashion and Technology". While there is nothing we can do about this naming, the article would benefit from some sort of explanation/criticism of the name, even be it brief.
I am aware of the need for references, but those knowing the business should be able to dig something published up somewhere.
188.100.206.102 (talk) 12:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless you believe that the name of this article does not accurately reflect the name of the school, this is not the correct forum for your suggestion. An encyclopedia only gives information; it does not editorialize. If you simply do not approve of the name Fashion Institute of Technology, you should take the matter up with the school's administration. I am sure they will give your suggestions for renaming it all the attention they deserve.--Jim10701 (talk) 16:59, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why that person left that comment. I'm alumni and they totally offer technology courses here. How else did I get my BFA in Interactive Media? Fact is, most art colleges in NYC offer technology courses now.--74.101.43.43 (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: Marisol Deluna is listed as an alumna, but the reference (a NY Times wedding announcement) indicates that she graduated from a school in Kansas, and merely took classes at FIT.  
Similarly, there is no evidence that Michael Kors ever graduated from the school, although the reference given at the Michael Kors' wikipedia article states that he merely attended.
There is no evidence either in this article or in her wikipedia bio article, that Carolina Herrera ever even attended, let alone graduated from, FIT.  Notably, Deluna, Herrera, and Kors are not named on the list of notable alumni on FIT's own website (http://www.fitnyc.edu/5002.asp).
Calvin Klein also never graduated -- he was instead awarded an honorary Ph.D. -- but the school itself does list him as an alumnus.  That seems like a bit of puffery to me, but I guess it's enough to keep him on the list of alumni in this article.
Absent proof that Deluna, Herrera, and Kors earned degrees at FIT, however, they should be removed from the list of alumni. Bronx Knight (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are using an unusually narrow definition of the word alumnus. The words alumnus and graduate do not mean the same thing. Any former student can be considered an alumnus of a school, whether he graduated or not. Dictionaries typically use some phrase like "graduate or former student" (emphasis mine) in the definition of the word. If the persons you mentioned ever were enrolled as students at FIT, they can legitimately be listed as alumni, even though they did not graduate from FIT. If the section were titled Notable graduates instead of Notable alumni, your objection would be correct and those names should be removed; but since it lists alumni, not graduates, they can stay.--Jim10701 (talk) 14:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

text: In the separate alumni list (where they are already listed), not in the paragraph in the article. BMK (talk) 23:25, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable alumni 

message: I am removing the  tag. I have rewritten or removed all the remaining non-neutral and peacock language I could find, and I believe that the article now is at least as encyclopedic in style as 90% of the articles in Wikipedia. I do not, by the way, have any vested interest at all in FIT. I used to live across Eighth Avenue from the campus, but that is the extent of my relationship with the school.--Jim10701 (talk) 14:59, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing <nowiki>{{advert}}</nowiki> 

message: I'm curious, why is FIT listed under Wikipedia's SUNY community colleges? There seems to be a big debate as to whether it is or isn't online but there's never been enough information to back that argument up otherwise. It can't be because it offers 2 year degrees, is it? If that was the case, wouldn't that qualify many private colleges as community colleges as well? --74.101.43.43 (talk) 01:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A "community college" is how SUNY lists FIT -- see this.  Also, community colleges are by definition public colleges, there's no such thing as a private community college. Private junior colleges, yes. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Community College?  

message: I've just inadvertently reverted 's reversion of my shortening of the list of alumni here (Twinkle error, I'd meant merely to look at the previous version); I apologise for that. However, I have to ask why on earth BMK made that edit. Why is it remotely useful to have the same WP:LAUNDRY list of alumni here that is already at List of alumni of the Fashion Institute of Technology? I suggest shortening the list here to, say, ten names that people are actually likely to recognise. I propose Kors, Klein and Schumacher for such a list, the only ones that I personally have heard of. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I was unaware of the existence of the list article, so the link to it is sufficient, and, as you suggest, just a handful in the main article of the most prominent names would be good.  I suggest a hidden comment (or comments) would be helpful pointing editors to the list article.  My apologies. BMK (talk) 00:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now done that, , to the best of my ability (including a hidden text note). Please improve if you can. I note with some interest that Marissa Webb, one of the handful mentioned by the school as notable here, does not appear to have an article on this wiki. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:31, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Alumni

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello all. Many, but not all of my edits have been undone, and I have been asked to received group consensus on the matter. 
The majority of the edits have been an effort to correct the problem too many "sources too closely associated with the subject" as we have been asked to "please help improve it by replacing them with more appropriate citations to reliable, independent, third-party sources." Others have been the correction of broken links or the replacement of broken links with third party sources. One the problems with the fitnyc.edu links is that ALL of them are broken. This is the perfect opportunity to replace these links with third party sources where possible or with corrected fitnyc source links. Some of the changes in this realm have been left alone, while others have been undone. For instance in the section on the history of the Museum at FIT, my updated sources were changed back to the broken links that existed before, while the improvements that I made to the opening lines were left alone. I am a little puzzled by these actions.
More controversial, and understandably so, would be the additions I wish to make to the list of alumni. I do understand that we don't want this to be a puff piece. Please see conversation above.  Many colleges and university wikipedia entries list notable alumni - some even with photographs (see University of Missouri) while other pages weave information about alumni into the entries (see New York University). There doesn't seem to a common practice or protocol. It has  been recently been suggested that alumni listed here be "a-list" names that might be known to the general public. Therefore I conceded that Antonio Lopez perhaps doesn't fit the bill and I heartily agree that Nanette Lepore should never have been listed. But I don't really understand the objection to Nina Garcia. It's not that I have particular thing for Nina Garcia, it's just that the representation of notable alumni seemed to need diversity and dimension as the Fashion Institute clearly does more than produce american male fashion designers. As a fashion journalist, editor and tv celebrity, Nina Garcia seems a good fit for the notable alumni list.
I would love feedback from  and others  Librarianhelen (talk) 15:30, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick apology: with  I carelessly and inadvertently removed a perfectly valid reference added by . I'm sorry about that, and glad to see that it has been restored to the page. I've no opinion on the notability of Nina Garcia (sorry!). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:10, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits Undone 

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