Talk:Kiryas Joel, New York

message: The article statesthe median income for a family is $15,372. Males have a median income of $25,043 versus $16,364 for femalesHow is this possible? Doesn't a family contain at least one person who is either male or female? How does a family's income get to be lower than that of the people in it? (Please note: I have looked at demographics for other places, including Monsey, New York, Spring Valley, New York, and Brooklyn, New York, and in those cases, the family income is above that of the individuals, as is logical. But I must admit that in the demographics for New Square, New York, family income is below that of the individuals.) --Keeves 02:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Local income stats seem to contradict reality

message: Correct me if I’m wrong here, but there doesn’t seem to be any real Yiddish or Hebrew on the bus stop signs shown on the picture (as its caption describes), apart from the town’s name. Seems to me rather as a phonetic transcription of English in Yiddish.
: You are correct. I've altered the description accordingly. JoshuaZ 15:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't agree - that sign's in Yiddish; it just so happens that all the words are borrowed from English. Nevertheless I'll leave it to someone else to change it if they agree with me. Bws2002 22:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm, I'm not sure I know enough Yiddish to make a judgement on the matter, is the modern yiddish for "bus stop" really just "bus stop" transliterated in hebrew? JoshuaZ 22:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, apparently it's bas stap. :-D  Tomertalk 07:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, JoshuaZ is right in modern Yiddish it's just "bus stop".Neigerig 14:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You apparently failed to understand what I was saying.  Oh well.  Tomertalk 14:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I get it, Tomer - that's funny, and it also brings up an interesting point. Actually, an alef in this dialect of Yiddish can be any of three sounds: one is 'a,' another is 'u' (like the vowel in 'food', and yet another is 'o,' which is pretty close to the vowel in the English word 'bus.' So I'd transcribe it "bos stap."Bws2002 17:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yiddish is like my 14th language, but I'd be inclined to agree with your transliteration.  Tomertalk 00:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, in modern Yiddish, at least in the NY-chasidic dialect, it's just "bus stop". Same with "villidz transportation". :
As the original photographer of that sign (as well as the "skyline" shot in the infobox), and one ignorant of the Hebrew alphabet (much less Yiddish) despite my first name, I appreciate having been able to read this discussion, especially since I had boldly gone and cleaned up the cutline first.
I remember a similar anecdote relayed by Isaac Asimov about his father, who could not read the Roman alphabet when he first arrived in this country. But he saw a sign in Yiddish and went to read it. He was, however, mystified by what "Vindehz gefikst" was supposed to mean, and only much later did he learn it was supposed to mean "Windows fixed".
Similarly, Asimov himself (I believe this is all in Asimov's Treasury of Humor) recalls his chagrin at picking up a copy of one of his books in Hebrew for the first time, and seeing that the translator had rendered his first name as a transliteration of "Isaac" instead of using "Yitzhak" (his original given name). Daniel Case 14:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I like both of these Asimov anecdotes very much. The second one is particularly telling, and I understand how it came about - there happens to be a traditional Jewish name Ayzik that sounds identical to the English name Isaac. What most likely happened is that the people involved in publishing the Hebrew translation heard Asimov's first name and assumed that he was Ayzik, not Isaac.Bws2002 23:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bus stop picture

message: Would anyone mind if I crop out the drop shadow from the image of Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) 04:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AGREE.  I think it's a good idea, more consistent with encyclopedic style and other portraits throughout Wikipedia. --Lisasmall 20:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drop shadow 

message: Since the enactment of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996 (Welfare Reform), there has been a federally imposed limit of 24 consecutive months, along with a 60 month lifetime limit, on welfare benefits throughout the United States. It is therefore misleading that the majority of this community, or any other community in the United States, continuesly lives or relies heavily on "government welfare" as such broad ranging welfare benefits are not available in the United States. --moved by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )
Yes, that limit is only technically imposed, since local social service agencies do continue benefits past those time limits by transferring recipients into different categories of financial assistance. This is provided that the recipient remains in need, has been compliant with work ability assessments (and attempted placements barring religious observance) and is not eligible for federal disability benefits. --24.190.71.206 (talk) 18:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Essay moved from article

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thread_title:  Copyright problem 

message: Although I hesitate to add any tags such as  or  just yet, I wanted to note here that it seems to me that the bulk of this article reads quite negatively. I think it needs to have more content discussing the town's positive qualities. I'm just not sure how to go about doing this without conversely having it read like a . -- œ™ 19:59, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Dead on. 2600:4040:2788:1500:B1D5:75D1:8605:BC76 (talk) 22:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Disproportionate towards the negative

message: This current law-suit by some residents against the village deserves a mention, if adequate sources can be found. Zerotalk 12:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Law suit 

message: is someone able to explain why google finds this page with "kehilat moshe" while control-F fails
to detect these words (not even searching as keh or ke or mos)? pietro 2A00:1620:C0:64:21C:61FF:FE03:A4C (talk) 15:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  strange for me 

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message: Is there any distinction between Kiryas Joel and Palm Tree?  The article calls KJ a village within the town of Palm Tree, but I get the impression that it makes up the entirely of the own, so it's kind of confusing. Carlo (talk) 15:13, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I would explain the distinction as I understand it with a parable of sorts: The village is the cookie and the town is the jar; if the community wishes to expand they would have to enlarge the jar, and possibly also enlarge the cookie with it or add another one to the jar. Hope this helps. StonyBrook (talk) 22:12, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: redirects here but has substantial text after the #REDIRECT directive. I've reopened the discussion at Talk:Palm Tree, New York#Article amalgamation. Certes (talk) 13:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Do the Town of Palm Tree and the Village of Kiryas Joel have separate governments?  If they have the same government, then I think we call them one coterminous town-village.  I tried to determine this myself, but neither entity has a government website online.Inkan1969 (talk) 14:44, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palm Tree, New York