Talk:Rape and revenge

message: The entry needs some redirects. You can't get here from "Rape/Revenge" -- the title has spaces, like this "Rape / Revenge". Also redirect from Rape Revenge, Rape-Revenge, Rape and Revenge, plus those terms with the word "film" or "movie" in them. There is no standard terminology for this genre.
I also put in a "dubious - discuss" notation, Here's why. First the entry says
:Rape / some revenge movies follow the same three-act structure:
::Act I: A man is gang raped, tortured, and left for dead.
::Act II: The man survives and rehabilitates himself.
::Act III: The man kills all of her rapists."
Next it says "In some cases, the man is killed at the end of the first act, and the revenge is carried out by his family." 
Ah, excuse me? If these films all follow the same structure with the man surviving to take revenge, then how come he's killed in "some cases"? I would have changed it to "many" RR movies have this structure, but that too needs a citation. So I think this problem needs some clarification.
I added a few references. If you Google "rape revenge", you will get a good many more hits.
I'm not trying to change the status of this entry -- just clear it up and add some much needed references.
Timothy Perper 13:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My uderstading is the R & R film is a sub-genre of the exploitation/horror genre, much like the slasher (though not as popular). I removed a bunch of the films on the list such as The Crow and Virgin Spring. Just because a film features rape doesn't make it, in my opinion, a Rape and Revenge film. This should be discussed a little bit though.Sugarcoma (talk) 21:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Virgin Spring is definitely relevant to discussion of this genre of film. It was made by one of the most influential directors of all time, follows the formula of the genre perfectly, and even Roger Ebert has acknowledged its relationship with Last House. It provides an interesting and pertinent example of the debate of whether the genre is inherently exploitative, and is far more historically important than Irreversible, which gets its own entire paragraph. 71.238.224.188 (talk) 23:26, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While on the topic of "Virgin Spring," saying it "shares a common source material" with "Last House on the Left" is a misnomer, and a disaster of a sentence: Last House on the Left was inspired by Virgin Spring, Virgin Spring by the 13th century ballad. 214.3.138.234 (talk) 12:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I think this article mixes up the Rape and Revenge genre with rape and revenge themes. The House of the Spirits and Nocturnal Animals might contain the theme, but have nothing to do with the genre. Kumagoro-42 (talk) 14:08, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some changes and suggestions 

message: One might argue that Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill was an homage to R & R in addition to many other films
131.202.9.242 (talk) 17:19, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Takes 

message: Irreversible is an interesting entry in this article because although it is a rape and revenge film, it isn't an exploitation film, as the subject material of rape and revenge is never actually exploited.  Roger Ebert gives a strong argument for this and I think that it's notable to include this fact in the article.68.149.187.132 (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes on Irreversible 

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message: Was this article translated from another language? Aside from the occasional broken English (in the first line alone: "is a film subgenre was used", "all of them bears"), there are a few strange word choices and dubious concepts. Here's some of those that immediately stood out to me.
* it's said it's a subgenre used in "black comedy, horror, thriller, and vigilante films", and that these genres bear "great similarities to the subgenre". This seems highly debatable and it's completely unsourced (also, "black comedy" and "vigilante film" are themselves subgenres of comedy and crime, respectively). In which way black comedy as an overall genre bears "great similarities" to rape and revenge? The sentence doesn't really make sense. Also, I don't really see rape and revenge done often for comedic purposes. In fact, none of the examples given in the article is even remotely a comedy (I see a source characterizing Elle as a black comedy, but it feels like a quirk take of that reviewer. The Golden Globes classified it under drama).
* "characterized by violent revenge for crimes committed in the film's premise." Not any violent crimes, sexual assault specifically, hence the subgenre's name. Also, I don't think "premise" is correct here. A premise describe what a film is about, it doesn't refer to any specific moment in the story. Maybe "prologue" or "first act" is what was meant? (Although it's not always the case.)
* "originally classified as a part of exploitation film movement". Exploitation is not a "movement". Maybe what was meant is "trend"?
* "the subgenre was part of a sole film genre". Which one? Multiple genres were given in the first line.
* "it sometimes used the subgenre in fictitious films such as Western and fantasy films". This sentence seems broken in several ways. First of all the pronoun "it" at the beginning refers back to "the subgenre" from the previous sentence. So "the subgenre used the subgenre"? And what's a "fictitious film"? If you say it like that in English, it means something like a film-within-a-film, a film that doesn't really exist. Maybe it was meant to be "fictional"? As opposed to documentary? But there's no reason to specify it, it's clear the article isn't talking about documentaries. Furthermore, I think the sentence was trying to say that it was used in other genres. Maybe the idea was to communicate that it's used in non-realistic settings, too? Hence the (still incorrect) "fictitious"? But if that's true of fantasy, it's not necessarily true of Western, which can be historically accurate.
* "later expands into a media genre as an opposite including anime and manga, television series, and theatre." What's a "media genre"? What does "as an opposite" means? Let alone the fact that the idea that rape and revenge starts as a film subgenre and "later" expands to "manga" and "theatre" is, once again, highly debatable and entirely unsourced.
And that was just the introduction! Other sections seem in better shape, but I completely fail to understand what the "Opposite of the subgenre" section is actually talking about. I can't tell what an "opposite" is in this context, and the descriptions of the works don't help. Is it possible it was meant to say "subversion"? Again, this just feels poorly translated.
Kumagoro-42 (talk) 23:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It was recently expanded by a sock puppet.  It could be reverted back to before it was expanded per WP:BANREVERT.  Or I guess someone could take the time to rewrite the article. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:55, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article needs heavy rewrites 

message: — Assignment last updated by DecreasingQuisby (talk) 22:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Rethinking Revenge