Talk:Red Lake shootings

message: Do we have any actual proof that
(1) Those postings were made on the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party forum.
(2) The names alleged to have made those postings were in fact HIM.
His page says that he is "believed to have made" postings.
====--76.112.204.109 (talk) 05:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Internet Postings

message: The one where a character goes around killing people then commiting suicide? It was big news.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 04:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why no mention of the killers flash animation?

message: I've seen several spellings of Weise, rather than Wiese, the most noteable on his posting to the nationalist messageboards[].
Does anyone know which is correct?--Brendanfox 13:15, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just came here to say the same thing as you. Unless he deliberately misspelled it on that forum its unlikely that it is actually Wiese. I would favor changing it. — Trilobite (Talk) 14:44, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiese or Weise

message: AP news reports age as 17 not 15. Changed on Page --Mitrebox 19:57, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shooter's age 

message: Is it certain that he was a Goth? It's just that the same thing got said about Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and it turned out they weren't.
:If he's a Goth, where was he when they sacked Rome?
I think the media applies the "Goth" label more widely than would the people they label. We really shouldn't assert that he was a Goth unless we have a quote where he self-identifies, or perhaps from someone close to him. Until then, let's make it clear who is calling him a Goth. --cprompt 16:42, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
:I'm tired of the media singling out people.
First off, it seems like the media likes to make it appear that every outsider who ends out shooting up the school is a goth kid.  Having an unpleasant high school experience myself, the accusations that Goth culture was the motive behind every random act of violence by a white middle-class suburbia teenager are missleading and bias.  It is like blaming an Arab person for terrorism.  Soon it will be revealed that yes this kid was just another scumbag.--Bushido Hacks 17:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparently a Goth 

message: *Issue: move Weise from the Victims List to the Suspect List.
*Reason(s): make the outline more like "Columbine"
:not actually a victim (society doesn't count)
*Additional Thoughts: Renaming of Suspect to Shooter as more information is confirmed.
--Mitrebox 20:02, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Weise from Victims to Suspect 

message: *Is the victim Weise's Grandmother or his Grandfather's Wife? --Mitrebox 20:06, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grandmother or Grandfathers wife 

message: Poll closed
Should exist:
#--EisenKnoechel 21:08, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
#Saopaulo1 22:28, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
#pjv_b 23:12, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
#Wincoote 23:51, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Red Lake High School]]

message: Poll closed
Should exist:
#--EisenKnoechel 21:08, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
#GhePeU 21:30, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jeff Weise]]

message: I think the current organisation of the articles is working out well.  We should try to minimise duplication between this and Jeff Weise. violet/riga (t) 18:55, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Decision

message: Is one of the slain students related to the shooter?  There's a fifteen-year-old on the list with the same last name as the shooter's grandfather (Lussier).  So the options would be: they are related; it's a coincidence (I doubt it); our information is wrong.  In any case, something should be done.  If they are related or if that's just a coincidence, we should make a note of either case.  If the article is wrong, we obviously need to get the right name for that victim.  Regards, Redux 03:33, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related? 

message: Should this information be included into this article at this time? --EisenKnoechel 17:48, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
*Yes - even if the charges are never filed or later dropped its a relevent development --Mitrebox 06:48, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louis Jourdain arrested 

message: The friend ducked and then, as the article states "felt something warm and wet coating her jeans." It was Lussier's blood.
Seems a little dramatic t'me -- not taking it out, just saying, MHO. --Jack (Cuervo) 03:26, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the same thing when I read it.  I'll go edit it slightly now, just enough so that it doesn't read like something out of an adventure story.  Heather 17:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little dramatic, huh? 

message: Just as a note, the link to the forum pages is gone. --70.240.197.234 14:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link Removed 

message: I'm changing the Chase Lussier paragraph. The phrase "foolishly wasted himself for this girl" is nowhere near NPOV.(And it's pretty damn insulting too.)Mealstrom 08:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Red Lake High School-aerial color.jpg

message: typo had occurred in the sentence that cites article one. The student was not asked whether he believed in god after being shot but rather before. Or at least that's what it states in the cited article.
Mawzsr (talk) 08:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  incorrect tense use and awkward sentence structure 

message: I ascertained through second-hand information, that is from an associate of one of the teachers in the mentioned English classroom, that when a student attempted to disarm/take down the perpetrator it had been after he was reloading. According to the information I was given, when asked the question relating to a belief in God, the teacher's answer resulted in the perpetrator pulling the trigger, however the firearm was out of ammunition. I was also informed that this teacher was used at the morgue to identify students before the families and has since not worked in a classroom out of distress. Also, this teacher has since appeared on a nightly news show, perhaps 20/20, and discussed this information.
Can anyone track this down? I forgot the name of the teacher in question and have not been able to track down any nightly news show reports on this shooting, and I believe the information is factually relevant to the incident.
SpartanLegends (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reloading 

message: It seems odd that this article has so little content about the living conditions at the reservation: the poverty, high rate of unemployment, limited jobs, high rate of suicide and violence, and other factors that were part of the world for all children. Needs to be added. Weise did not live in isolation but, by his father's suicide and loss of his mother, carried a higher risk of committing suicide.Parkwells (talk) 15:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Background

message: If/when Wikipedia gets a Chippewa language edition (Chippewa is spoken in Red Lake), make sure it has an article on this massacre.
WhisperToMe (talk) 03:17, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Chippewa language

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: — Assignment last updated by RuthBenander (talk) 12:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: First Year English Composition 1001

message: @Second Skin that is a decent source to warrant its removal so that's fine. I do think it's notable that the media said he was into it, and attempted to cast blame on the genre, so maybe it should be added back as a "the media said it but it probably wasn't true" type thing, at some point? There may be other sources that address this. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Horrorcore/rap 

message: I have removed all mentions of Jeff liking horrorcore rap music cuz it seems to be media propaganda that was done entirely to stir up a moral panic. Jeff hated rap music. I really recommend watching 56:56 of this YouTube video if you want it nutshelled. But basically here is the evidence:
#One of his confirmed emails is "fukrap666@hotmail.com" 
#He had made countless posts online condemning those that listen to rap. Source here
#There is not a single shed of evidence thus far he has ever said he liked Mars or Jimmy Donn or whatever, but rather he said he listened to nu metal  bands like Korn or gothic extreme metal stuff like Cradle of Filth (e.g. he mentioned his favorite music numerous times in his online posts and never once did he mention a rap artist of any kind let alone horrorcore)
I would love to see one shed of evidence he ever liked this music besides the media speaking for him that he did, cuz all signs tell that he clearly didn't. The "horrorcore controversy" stuff seems to just be mid-2000s media propaganda. Second Skin (talk) 22:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The media says a lot of things, so it very well could be nonsense, I think it should be addressed that they said that whether it's treated as fact or not as it was widely reported. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean yeah maybe it can say "They said this but evidence suggests otherwise" kind of thing, but really the media does definitely lie. This was especially a big problem in the pre-social media days such as when this shooting happened and people didnt have a voice as much as they do now to question whatever Channel 5 says. Second Skin (talk) 22:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Horrorcore controversy" seems to be entirely made up