Talk:Dadoji Kondadeo

message: I somehow don't see that as his primary identification. He was good in politics and diplomacy and he was Shivaji's mentor from this angle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaveri (talk • contribs) 21:05, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dadoji as Marshal arts expert? 

message: lets discuss it here. "Ji" is "honorofic" word. "Ji" in Shivaji is part of name. For example, a child can be named as 'Shivaji', but no one names child as "Daduji", original name is "Dadu", and "Ji" can be added as honorific when child grows up. I will explain more. Wait.  --Human3015Send WikiLove  22:39, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: People use word "Dadoji" in honor. For example, in all sources in Marathi language we will see King Shivaji most commonly referred as "Shivaji Maharaj", but though "Shivaji Maharaj" is most common name still article name is just Shivaji because here "Maharaj" is honorific word. (Maharaj means great king). Same way, followers of Dadu Konddeo may call him "Dadoji" but we should use non-honorific words, there are sources for word "Dadu" too. Means we can't say that his name is not "Dadu", his original name is "Dadu", people may call him "Dadoji". --Human3015Send WikiLove  22:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

text: Please read your source, they have written word Maratha as "Mahrattas", Shivaji as "Sivajee", Sambhaji as "Sumbhajee", surname Konddeo as "Konedeo". Then should we move names of these pages to wrong names given in this source? I will give you sources, currently busy on WP:DRN, please wait. You will find variations in names, somewhere you will find "Dadaji", somewhere "Dadoji", because these are respectful words, and everyone respects him in his/her own way, basically his name is "Dadu", others are variations.   --Human3015Send WikiLove  23:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: For now I will give some quick overview, I know "Dadoji' or "Dadaji" is also used, but if we prove that "Dadu" also has been used then we can use "Dadu" here as many authors can write "Dadoji" to give respect to him. Same way many authors write "Shivaji" as "Shivaji Maharaj". If you know Marathi then read this, also in this Pune Mirror both "Dadu" and "Dadoji" has been used, which proves that both of them are his names, so we should choose non-honorific name among them. One can't say that "Dadu" is not his name. --Human3015Send WikiLove  00:04, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

text: Other people use mostly "Dadoji" not "Dadaji". So short form will be "Dado". If we add "ji" to "Dadu" then it will become "Daduji" but with usual pronunciations in Marathi it will be "Dadoji". And you don't ignore that "Pune Mirror" also used "Dadu". I will again say that one can't say that "Dadu" was not his name. You know, in topics related to India people do have such kind of debates, fans of Ambedkar demand that his name should be "Babasaheb" as it is used by many people and reliable sources, but still article name is B. R. Ambedkar. We can't write honorific Babasaheb though we can get numerous sources for it. But Babasaheb Purandare has "Babasaheb" in his article name because "Babasaheb' is his proper name and not honorific. Nearly every Marathi newspaper, scholars use word "Balasaheb Thackeray", but article name is Bal Thackeray. I can understand your concerns in this issue, but we just have to be neutral. --Human3015Send WikiLove  14:29, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

text: I can understand your sentiments but you can't call Ambedkar, Thakre, Purandare unrelated here. All of these are part of WikiProject Biography and WikiProject Maharashtra. We apply same rules within same project. If today we change article name from "Dadu" to "Dadoji' then why not "Bal" to "Balasaheb Thakre", why not "Babasaheb Ambedkar".?? You must understand policy within WikiProject. You are denying "Pune Mirror" which is most famous newspaper of Pune city to which Dadu Konddev and his statue was related. Anyway, I will give you another reliable scholarly source read this book, They have written "Dado Konddev". Here also they dropped "Ji". You think that I'm not neutral but believe me I'm neutral person. I gave you that book source. I will post details of book. "" This book is of "Continental Publication' which is prestigious publication. We should drop "Ji". --Human3015Send WikiLove  17:15, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

text: Author of above book has article on Wikipedia Setu Madhavrao Pagdi. Read his article, he wrote so many History books. Now please don't call him unreliable. You should also see this book is of "Continental Publication". I'm not saying "Dadoji" is not used in reliable sources, but "Dadu" or "Dado" also used in reliable sources and we should prefer non-honorific names. Hope your doubt is cleared now. Thank you. --Human3015Send WikiLove  17:24, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

text: When I give example of any other Marathi great man then you say this is not related here but how you are allowed to give so many other examples of Marathi people? Anyway, I think you at least believe in Loksatta. Reference of same letter is givem by Historian Pandurang Balkawade in his article in []. Both names 'Dado' and 'Dadoji' used everywhere, but kindly read Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic)#Titles and honorifics where they have clearly written we can't use 'Ji', if we would have evidence that 'Dadoji' is the 'only' name of Konddev then we would have kept it, but we have sources that since start of his life there is a name 'Dado'. So we should prefer it. --Human3015Send WikiLove  01:30, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi, we can continue discussion at talk page of article, no need to discuss on my talk page, we should keep all discussion at one place, no need to keep on bringing this issue to my talk page, that was third time you brought this issue to my talk page even after I'm actively participating in discussion at talk page. Anyway, I have also given source of Loksatta for letter of Shivaji, you are not reading my comments here. And yes, we should look for other names too which you mentioned on my talk page, this is just start, as I said, I'm also in favour of changing honorific name of lord Vithoba to general or original name Vitthal for which I started discussion, so it is not just I'm particularly focusing on one topic, I'm also very active on projects other than Maharashtra, I will look for your said articles, we have to search over it. Thank you. --Human3015Send WikiLove  15:10, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

text: I said you don't bring this issue to my talk page just because you may get more people against your views, for example you can read reply to your comment by Kautilya3, he is also in favour of "Dadu". More people you get against your views more you will get hurt. So thats why I don't wanted it to my talk page as my talk page is watched by around 50 stalkers. --Human3015Send WikiLove  13:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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