Talk:Arthur Hiller

message: TRM, I don't believe the d-m-y format is correct for this bio. I found no sources that used it, including Canada's CBC and Globe and Mail. Do you mind changing it back via script? --Light show (talk) 05:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date format 

message: I think it's unusual for a bio to be considered "well-written" by one editor and "shitty" by another, as in the ITN candidate section. Any specific improvement ideas might therefore be helpful. --Light show (talk) 06:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement ideas 

message: He was born on November 22, 1923 according to a lot of sources, he was born 10 days after his wife of 68 years who's birthday was on November 12, 1923 who also died on June 24, 2016.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.64.217.66 (talk) 15:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That 10-day fact is confirmed by the Hollywood Reporter. --Light show (talk) 04:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Birth 

message: It appears there is some disagreement on his date of birth. The NY Times claims he was born on 11/13/1923, whilst the LA Times and Film Reference give his DOB as 11/22/1923. For the time being, until we could potentially obtain some concrete information, I have created an admittedly ugly workaround — listing both in the lede and only giving a month in the IB as well as the body.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 02:18, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think just listing the month in the lede and both in the body, with possibly an endnote might be a better option (less cluttered). Connormah (talk) 03:27, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd vote to keep it on the 22nd, which is cited by the Los Angeles Times, closer to Hollywood. Another factor is that the NY Times article was apparently rushed, since their top image originally had a totally mislabeled caption. It was a really silly error, which implies a higher likelihood that their research on the date might not have been great. Unless we have other sources with the 13th, I'd just skip the NYT source for now and use the 22nd. --Light show (talk) 04:34, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

text: Just checked Katz's The Film Encyclopedia (Collins Reference) which uses the 22nd. --Light show (talk) 04:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Would you be willing to provide some specific citation information (reference template stuff) for the encyclopedia, in case we can use it as a reference?--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 05:08, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. I've got the book. -Light show (talk) 05:32, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me know. --Light show (talk) 05:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:   If it's alright with you and everyone else, I think we can switch to 11/22. Please send me the reference data for the encyclopedia reference so we can have an additional source.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 06:22, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

text: We could simply have a note stating the NY Times's dob. --Light show (talk) 04:59, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

text: While we discuss this, I have replaced the cluttered lede with an endnote, per Connormah's suggestion.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 05:04, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: But if there is only one single source that uses the 13th, as opposed to the others cited, why not simply have the lead and infobox look complete? It looks strange as it is. We can just add a note to the NY Times date. --Light show (talk) 05:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, The Guardian also lists 11/13 as the DOB.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 06:24, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was he born on November 13 or November 22? 

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