Talk:Sněžka

message: Isn't there some myth about an old man who lives at the top? Can anyone fill me in on this? - TheMightyQuill 23:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Rubezahl is the figure in discussion here?--Agrofe 14:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or maybe the Polish version Liczyrzepa? Rübezahl (talk) 15:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Man Snezka? 

message: an overwhelming Oppose to the requested move. I'm closing it as per WP:SNOW (and in case that doesn't fly, per WP:IAR itself – the proposed move bears no benefit and would be inherently divisive). Yes, talk page sections are to be closed, per the very existence of the templates, and as evidenced by this example. Administrators are not leaders, they are people with additional powers. Non-administrators can close if they wish. Example here, which incidentally is a vote I started and I bear no ill will. I hope this addresses your concerns Matthead, and don't take this personally. And by the way, you didn't follow WP:RM. :) +Hexagon1 (t) 06:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Molobo, do I detect bad faith here? I did not manipulate, I quite openly stated that I limited my searches to post-1990 books which include "mountain" to enforce English. Regarding the "Germanised version" (do clocks run backwards where you come from?), your link to Polish books.google.pl yields 793 dotyczących schneekoppe compared to 247 dotyczących snezka for Czech and 409 dotyczących sniezka or 465 dotyczących Śnieżka in Polish - including "autorstwa Marianna Śnieżka". Polish books using a German name rather than the local Czech one or the brandnew Polish one is quite funny, isn't it?  Molobo, if you read WP:NCGN, you may find that "we recommend Encyclopedia Britannica, Columbia Encyclopedia, Encarta, ... Consult Google Scholar and Google Book". Now, EB: Snezka (in Sudeten, Giant Mountains, Relief) and sniezka in Geography  Columbia Encyclopedia: Snĕžka (Ger. Schneekoppe, Pol. Śnieźka) in Krkonoše, MS Encarta Sněžka (in Sudety and Czech Republic) while Śnieżka is unknown. Arccording to these three, the double naming must be dropped in favour of the Czech naming. Google Scholar does not make much difference in regard to diacritics (same or similar results), and yields Sněžka 108, Śnieżka 200, Schneekoppe 393 in total, and in English Sněžka +peak 28, Śnieżka +peak 32, Schneekoppe +peak 50. Thus, among scholars, the neutral Schneekoppe equals or betters both local names combined. Ceterum censo: Śnieżka has to get removed from the English naming. -- Matthead  DisOuß   13:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes I found it quite amusing myself also. However let's focus on facts shall we ? The searches by Matthead are for combination of the words he used with other words. This gives false results as for instance it misses Snezka peak, Snezka alone and so on and on. Furthermore we know that best known version of local name should be used.--Molobo (talk) 10:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See below, common English, not local hieroyglyphs. Besides, Snezka peak 31 vs. 278 Schneekoppe peak, you are digging yourself a hole.-- Matthead  DisOuß   13:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: You can leave the city in place, but in Google Books, since 1990 and in connection with "+city" (yup, English use, and no authors), Reichenberg beats Liberec about 250 to 150, with some having both. And no, I doubt other :de:Reichenberg (Begriffsklärung) places are nearly as well-known, or considered a city. Any other suggestions, while we are at it? Many of the Slavic namings made up after wars lose out to older ones established in English(!) use. Damn stubborn, those Anglo-Saxons. Many Germans though, politically overcorrect, echo anything foreign, of course. They adopted verbal cannibalism, eating "Hamburger". -- Matthead  DisOuß   13:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It is the common English name that needs to prevail in English Wikipedia, not "local names" in foreign languages. Else, we would call other mountains on international borders 乔戈里峰-کے ٹو and Cervino-ds'Horu-Mont Cervin-Matterhorn. Schneekoppe was established in English much longer ago than the names of these two mountains. Okay, so you want to use plain Google in English rather than Google Books, getting (diacritics don't make much of a difference here) Sněžka 27k, Śnieżka 17k, Schneekoppe 7k. How about enforcing English, and excluding the wiki-mirrors with "+peak -wiki -wikipedia", and the native domains with "-site:.cz -site:.pl -site:.de"? This reduces the results to: Sněžka 887, Śnieżka 1,070, Schneekoppe 261. Among those hits are probably still many local travel agencies using dot.com sites. The surprising result is that the presumed extinct "Schneekoppe" still has that many hits. Quite interesting is that the local Czech skilift website "German" version uses Sneekoppe /Sněžka. The Polish Observatorium knows quite well German history, but uses ahistoric Polish naming in English  -- Matthead  DisOuß   13:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Dear Mr. no brainer, how about renaming the two year old :commons:Category:Sniezka first? And Piotrus, it seems you missed that one somehow, surely you don't want to neglect the Czech part of "the consensus here"? -- Matthead  DisOuß   13:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move to name of German origin

message: The section beginning "While known as Śnieżka in Polish..." implies that the Polish name was always Śnieżka, while the Czechs tried out various names before finally adopting the Czechified version of the Polish name. Seems very surprising (particularly since the area was not Polish at the time). Does anyone have any sources for this? If not, I'd rewrite it.--Kotniski (talk) 07:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not uncommon that the Czechs used different names at different times, the same happended in the German language. Usually the Polish name in this region is the youngest and follows either the Czech name or translates the German name. Karasek (talk) 09:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The section had a "citation needed" tag, but somebody felt the need to remove it after they took out the word "always". The DominatorTalkEdits 13:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this site: http://www.waltersperling.de/geonamen/index_wb.htm (very well referenced!) Śnieżka wasn't "always" the Polish name. Earlier this mountain was called "Góra Olbrzymia", which probably is a translation of the old German (and/or Czech?) name, but the site doesn't mention a year. Karasek (talk) 14:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the area was originaly part of Slavic states long before German states arrived it is more likely Germanic colonists germanised the original name. However sources are needed.--Molobo (talk) 15:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not concerned here about which (German or Slavic) name was older, I would just like to know since when the Polish name has been Śnieżka (did the Poles take it from the Czechs, or vice versa?) In the absence of other sources, for now I'm going to take the old Polish name from the site Karasek mentions.--Kotniski (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: With dates for each of the names we could probably answer your question. But it's hard to find a date for "Pahrbek Sněžný" (btw: what does "Pahrbek" mean?) and "Śnieżka", while its almost impossible to find anything about "Góra Olbrzymia". Karasek (talk) 08:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Czech word pahrbek means knoll (small hill). It sounds like Czech from early modern period (i.e. 17th/18th century) but I don't know exact epoch this term was used... I will try to find out something more about it. --Iaroslavvs (talk) 18:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History of names

message: There is a proposal to rename this page and other similar ones. Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)/Archives/2008/November#Undoubling and discuss there.--Kotniski (talk) 17:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: Góra Olbrzymia is a Polish translation of German Riesengebirge, which means the whole Krkonose chain. Is such name for Sněžka documented? A German source can be erroneous, because of poor knowledge of Slavic languages in Germany.Xx236 (talk) 12:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The mountain had several German names, among them Riesenberg (= giant mountain). Karasek (talk) 08:45, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Góra Olbrzymia ? 

message: This is very wrong title! Snieżka belongs to polish culture and its situated in Polish land. My suggestion is that title should be in Polish for the first place, not Czech in the first. Snieżka didnt had nothing to do with Czech land and culture, until borders were canceled in 2007 while two of the countries, Poland and Czech republic, are in EU. Some viewers may think of it as Czech mountain when somebody writes Sněžka. In my opinion its a big nomenclature error.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapsia (talk • contribs) 17:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Its Snieżka not Sněžka!