Talk:Stolen base

message: I fail to see the extrene significance of this stolen base such that it should be singled out and explained in detail here. Boston's comeback in the series was remarkable but it seems unlikely that one stolen base was the difference. I am removing it; discuss here before reverting. --feitclub 15:49, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
No argument from me.  The 2004 ALCS is hardly a milestone in the history of the stolen base (though perhaps the other way around), and thus the anecdote detracts from the article's universality.  It was apparently inserted on 7 May by 4.224.195.116, and subsequent revisers like me simply edited rather than remove vestigial paragraphs.  I wouldn't mind seeing the Germany Schaefer anecdote go away as well, or at least be trimmed significantly. --BlueMoonlet 20:02, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  2004 ALCS example 

message: I added the second anecdote about Schaefer stealing 1st. Funny stories. Its too bad no one is that daring anymore. But back on topic! I'm wondering if my story, which I got from Cobb's autobiography, isn't the same story as in the first instance. Its sort of coincedental that Davey Jones was on third both times, I think. I mean, Schaefer was clearly a nut but what are the chances of Jones being on third both times? Also, would Honus Wagner be a better example of dead-ball base stealers than Clyde Milan? I'd never even heard of Milan before and Wagner stole upwards of 250 more bases in his career than Milan did. Just my opinion though. --mgm41887 18 Jun 2005
That's my suspicion about the Schaefer story also.  If you want to fix it, maybe doing some research to get the story right, that would be great.  A more streamlined version of that paragraph would be less objectionable.
I created a stub for Milan, which may make it more clear why I mentioned him.  Wagner would also be a fine example, though his single-season totals were not as high. --BlueMoonlet 15:40, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany Schaefer 

message: I read somewhere, but can't find it on his page (or here), that Joe Morgan was first player to HR 200 & steal 500. Can somebody confirm?  Trekphiler 08:53, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Count 500 

message: I read somewhere Eddie Cuthbert (Philadelphia Keystones) stole the first base in pro ball, in 1863. Can somebody confirm?  Trekphiler 10:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Cincinnati Red Stockings were the first professional baseball team in 1869, so what you say is impossible.  However, this page  says that it happened in 1865.  I see that the Keystones were pro by 1884, but they probably weren't in 1865.  --Locarno 13:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the page Ned Cuthbert, he didn't start playing until 1865. L'arcxjo (talk) 18:24, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop, thief! 

message: Perhaps there could be mention of this technique whereby the baserunner is picked off by the catcher rather than the pitcher.  It is one of the dangers of taking a secondary lead.
- 69.33.45.186 00:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Throwing behind the runner 

message: Perhaps the article could say a 
bit more about why a dropped-third
would be scored as a 4-3 putout? 
Skids 15:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't it be a 2-3 putout, since the catcher must throw to 1B?  Job L 07:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scoring the Dropped Third Strike 

message: Double steal redirects here, but the article says almost nothing about double steals, and does not mention at all the very rare triple steal... Chubbles 02:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is still an issue, can someone add some text about it?  I don't know enough to contribute on this topic. 216.164.53.2 (talk) 21:38, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Double Steal

message: I don't think the 2005 White Sox should be mentioned, considering that they were 5th in the Majors in HOME RUNS.Mickeyg13 07:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2005 White Sox

message: If there is a foul fly ball caught for an out, the steal doesn't count. The runner must return to his time-of-pitch base, and he can't tag up since the ball is foul, and he will likely be thrown out before returning to the time-of-pitch base anyway. Is any/all of this correct?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.33.215 (talk) 02:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steal on Dead Ball 

message: I just finished adding a section on the history of scoring stolen bases.  I'm not sure this is desirous, but my source only goes up to the early 1990s.  This section should not be regarded as definitively complete. LonelyBeacon (talk) 14:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Scoring History

message: According to this article, a player reaching first by a dropped third strike is credited with a stolen base.  Has that ever been the case?  Is this the case now? LonelyBeacon (talk) 18:32, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Getting to first on dropped third strike = steal???

message: Um, LonelyBeacon, the article actually said this before your edit:
A batter can "steal first base" only by successfully running to first base (without being tagged or thrown out) in rare circumstances following an uncaught third strike; such a play avoids an "out" and gains a baserunner, but it is recorded as a strikeout plus a passed ball or wild pitch rather than a steal. (I added the bold and italics to the significant phrase.)
But, if you found it confusing then it could probably use improvement. I think I've improved it:
While it is not recorded as a "steal", in a practical sense a batter can be said to "steal first base" by successfully running to first base (without being tagged or thrown out) in rare circumstances following a dropped third strike; the rarely-seen play avoids an "out" and gains a baserunner. Statistically, it is recorded as a strikeout plus a passed ball or wild pitch, and a "stolen base" statistic does not accrue.
Regarding the history of the "Uncaught third strike rule", personally I just don't know if the play was ever recorded as a "steal" statistic. I'd guess not. --MySuperiorInEveryWay (talk) 15:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncaught third strike

message: The section on stealing first base claims Segura was "not technically safe" while on first base.  However, rule 7.08(i) implies he was safe, since his intention when running the bases in reverse order was neither to confuse the defense nor to make a travesty of the game. On the other hand, Major League Baseball decided during the week after the game that the comments after rules 7.01 and 7.08(a) indicate running back to first base was illegal. But that opinion seems a bit dubious. The comment after 7.01 applies if the runner runs backward after the pitcher assumes his pitching position, which means the official opinion looks retrospectively at the pitcher rather than considering only what the pitcher is currently doing. (In other words, after Segura stole second, the next pitch to Braun locked Segura from ever retreating back to first.) The comment after 7.08(a) appears to apply only if the runner has left the base path. SEppley (talk) 01:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: 7.01 says (among other things) "the runner may not return to a previously occupied base." But what if he does, is he out? It says he may not do it but doesn't say what the penalty for doing it is. This seems rather trivial for MLB to clarify. 7.08(i) calls into question the runner's intention not just what he does. 7.08(a) says "Any runner after reaching first base who leaves the baseline heading for his dugout or his position believing that there is no further play, may be declared out if the umpire judges the act of the runner to be considered abandoning his efforts to run the bases". So I suppose he could be called out on those grounds. But he was on the field and in the baseline when he did it. Bizarrely if you take a very narrow interpretation of the rules, they play is legal. Renard Migrant (talk) 19:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Today, Anon has changed the sentence in the article that began, "While not technically safe" to begin, "Technically, he was then fully "safe"...."  I have removed both verdicts and merged the two descriptions of just what happened in the game.  The umpires gave no signal and neither should Wikipedia.  Spike-from-NH (talk) 22:49, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the claim that Segura was "not technically safe" while on first base 

message: I have been tightening up the wording of this article, with a little reorganization.  The biggest problem remaining is that history and personalities are sprinkled throughout the article, and Background should not be separate from the section on the evolution of the rule.  I would create a section Notorious base-stealers but it is hard to separate the mentions from the context elsewhere, such as steals of home.  Thoughts?  Spike-from-NH (talk) 13:39, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization 

message: I'm surprised this article makes no mention of Cool Papa Bell and any other Negro League stars that helped popularize the stolen base. – Maky « talk » 05:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cool Papa Bell 

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message: The Atlantic League has always put showmanship first, hence the mid-season rule change that a batter can advance to first on an uncaught pitch.  However, if the batter does not advance until seeing the misplay, it must be scored a wild pitch or a passed ball, as the case may be.  If so, it does not belong in this article, any more than if I refer to starting my car as a "steal of first base."  Spike-from-NH (talk) 15:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlantic League 

message: Hacía falta la corrección de que los pitchers solo pueden virar dos veces hacia base de corredor y después solo el carácter puede lanzar 2806:103E:2:5E33:FCF5:3571:24DD:4B13 (talk) 12:04, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reglas de 2023