Talk:Sonthi Boonyaratglin

message: There is no mention of Ret. Gen. Sonthi Boonyaratglin's birthplace and origin anywhere. Why hasn't it been mentioned? Frankly, his birthplace and origins should be a matter of public record.  
He is a Muslim. A Thai Muslim. That can mean anything! He could even be a recent convert. A recent migrant.
Was he an orphan? Was he adopted? 
Where was he born? 
Where were his parents from? 
Were his parents Chams? Were they recent migrants from Cambodia? Or were they the descendants of Cham mercenaries, prisoners of war and slaves brought to Siam from Cambodia between two and four hundred years ago? Were they inhabitants of Bangkok or Ayutthaya? Perhaps his ancestors have lived on the Chao Phraya for centuries. 
Or was he the son of Sumatrans who migrated to the south of Thailand, mostly along the Andaman Sea coast, in the past 75 years? 
Were his parents descended from the Chams who have inhabited the Andaman coast for thousands of years? 
Or were they descended from the Makassars (from the Celebes [Sulawesi] in Indonesia) who settled around Ayutthaya hundreds of years ago? They are still there today, along with descendants of Chams and other Malays from Patani who have also lived there for a long time.  
Or is he from Pattani? Were his parents from Malaya? 
Is he from Hat Yai? Or Satun? Or Phuket? 
If anyone knows the answer, please post it.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by J'aime les crossiants (talk • contribs) 03:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthplace and Origin

message: In this article General Sonthi Boonyaratglin is referred to many times as:
* General Sonthi Boonyaratglin 
* Gen. Sondhi Boonyaratkalin 
* General Sonthi, and also
* Sonthi 
Can someone who is familiar with the correct use of titles in Thai culture please choose one of these formats to be used whenever his name appears throughout the whole article? Consistency will improve readability.
In lieu of any suggestions, I suggest using "Sonthi" only, because:
* Thaksin Shinawatra is often referred to as Thaksin (that is, his first name rather than family name by which most leaders in Western countries are referred), and 
* other political leaders who are generals are often referred to by a single name without their military rank, such as General Suharto of Indonesia and Brigadier General Lee of Singapore.
Comments and suggestions from people familiar with Thai culture?
Troy88 17:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sonthi is perfectly acceptable on second reference. No need to refer to his military rank or surname beyond their first mentions. Also Sonthi seems to be the preferred spelling. Most of the English-language press in Thailand are going with that spelling, mostly I think so he isn't easily confused with another major figure in Thai politics, Sondhi Limthongkul. I would recommend Wikipedia follow that. Also the "th" is closer to how it actually sounds when it's pronounced by a native Thai speaker. --Wisekwai 19:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct way to refer to General Sonthi Boonyaratglin

message: The opening sentence of this article states, "Boonyaratkalin...is Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Thai Army". However, the article on Chaiyasit Shinawatra beings "Shinawatra is the Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Thai Army". Surely both cannot be correct?
:Chaiyasit was replaced as CinC in 2004 and transferred to Supreme Command. His article has now been updated. Thanks for your kind attention to details. -Wisekwai 10:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commander-in-Chief? 

message: This article alone is still far from enough for the reader to judge Gen. Sonthi. The article should describes or references more political circumstances which "might be" the reason why he arranged the coup. The "Conflicts with Thaksin Shinawatra" section alone will lead the reader to the point that Gen. Sonthi has done that because of the "conflict", which might or might not be true. I would humbly suggest that the occuring event by Sondhi Limthongkul in 20Sep should be describe as the "fact" here, along with the other facts that possibly be relevant to the real cause of this coup.
:You mean the allegation that Sonthi executed the coup to prevent the massacre of PAD protestors?  That's still very speculative at the moment, isn't it?  It certainly isn't the official explanation, and the accusations are still one sided; nobody in the deposed government has come out to admit it or deny it.  If you're going to mention it in the article, then I think you should mention that this is still a disputed matter, and that the accusations are just that: uninvestigated and unverified accusations.
:If that isn't enough for the reader to make a judgement, then that's because not enough information has been made public yet.  We shouldn't rush the reader to a judgement when the issue is still very murky.  Patiwat 10:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I got the point. However, I think there would not be the point which the "official explanation" of this coup will be available, because it has been "officially" explained clearly at the first place already. What we need for now is not the official explanation, but we need more facts that will help analysing this matter. When it comes to politics, much more related fact must be taken into account because nobody tells the "whole" truth. I'll try to put together the politics circumstances that might run the event behind-the-scene, and I'm really looking forward for your correction because my English might not be good enough for this kind of article, but I'll try. --Biglobster 12:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should go overboard in the context here - that could easily get very long.  Maybe a more prominent link to the Thailand political crisis 2005-2006 would be more appropriate. Patiwat 11:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The political situation 

message: Why is there a section of quotes from him claiming that he won't get involved in politics or a coup?  Is the person who inserted those attempting to convey the message than Sonthi is a liar and will attempt to remain in power?  It smacks of bias to me to include only those five cherry-picked quotes.
--User:bbcrackmonkey
:I agreed. The contradiction of his quotes and actions should be put along with the corresponding events instead. If somebody accused that you were planning the coup, you would deny it definitely whether you were actually planning it or not, especially if you are Command-in-chief. I'm not supporting him or the coup, but this lie is politically a part of this game. It's just like the country will deny the identity of their spies if captured by the enemy. Although those quotes are actually facts, the quotes just lead the reader to understand that Gen.Sonthi is a liar, rather than telling that it's just the common response when you are accused with such allegation -- no soldier tells the enemies he's going to attack. --Biglobster 10:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Those lies should be placed in the Conflicts with Thaksin section with appropriate context.  Patiwat 11:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Biased Quotes?

message: The article says
:In August 2004, Sonthi was appointed Deputy Army Commander. Against public expectations, Sonthi was promoted to Army Commander in October 2005.[4] 
Reference [4] was written in 2004 and therefore does not support the date of October 2005. I'm almost certain that it happened in June or July of 2005 but I can't find a reference. AxelBoldt 03:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had presumed that he was promoted in October, because that is the month traditionally reserved for major military appointments. But you're right, we should find a reference. Patiwat 11:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was he made Army commander? 

message: I don't think we should note all the alternative spellings of Sonthi's name in the intro.  Alternative spellings should be handled with disambiguation pages.  Otherwise, the introduction could get quite overburdened. Patiwat 19:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, for sure. And there are virtually endless combinations for Sonthi's name. Web searches will find the page through the disambigs. Or, the various spellings of his given name and family name could be listed elsewhere on the page and keep the intro clean and concise. -Wisekwai 19:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alt spellings of name 

message: In the Religion colum it is written he is Shia Muslim is there any source on that
Response:
He is a descendant of Shia Iranian immigrants to Thailand would be the most likely reason. I'm having trouble finding a sectarian affiliation for him and if the only way to find out would be to see a picture of him praying (arms folded like a Sunni) or (arms straight down like a Shi'a).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phknrocket1k (talk • contribs) 04:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Sonthi Boonyaratglin a shia

message: * Army officers hit back at 'bias in the ranks'. Patiwat 08:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misc related articles

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