Talk:Quenya

message: Since Quenya is a good article, couldn't we make a DYK for it? TuorEladar (talk) 21:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  DYK??? 

message: Non-English text on English Wikipedia, must be tagged as such.  See MOS:LANG and MOS:FOREIGNITALIC.  I put effort into this article to bring it up to this standard but did not complete it (1, 2, 3), so I added Template:cleanup lang.   removed the notice.  The edit message reproduced here is:
: well tbh it's going to be qya wall-to-wall; if you feel it's worth doing then do it but don't leave it tagged for ever and a day
This leaves little in the way of rationale, and in my view since the problem has clearly not been adressed amounts largely to drive by de-tagging.  But it is correct that there will be a lot of tagging, this article has a lot of Quenya text, and it seems prior none of it was tagged.  Simply because meeting the standards of accessibility and style might require work or because one user does not care about them, does not mean that this article gets a free pass.  AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 10:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Um, I explained as clearly as possible in the edit-comment. Since you have brought it here, you are evidently one of the (extremely few) people who think that tagging every single occurrence of Quenya in an article all about it is worth doing, so I repeat my suggestion that you might like to fix the "problem" that you have raised. I don't think it a problem at all: the article is properly tagged in the infobox, and the subject of the article is unambiguously Quenya, so tagging every instance (we don't wikilink every word, now, do we) seems like ridiculous overkill. But hey, let's compromise: you're a busy person: take a month, and if it's still not "fixed", I'll remove the tag then, on the assumption that neither you nor anybody else thinks the task worth doing. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Tagging non-English text is required by MOS:LANG and MOS:FOREIGNITALIC.  If you think that this is incorrect, then this is not the appropriate place to voice that concern.  Take it up on those pages.  This is not comparable with wikilinking since that runs counter to MOS:OVERLINK while tagging all foreign text is not only in line with MOS:LANG, but required by it.  Your personal feelings of what is enough are irrelevant here since there is a clear standard of accessibility that must be met.  AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 14:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're hardly making the page more accessible by "welcoming" all visitors for the next decade with your introductory mega-tag. Bye, I've had enough of this time-wasting. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The page being welcoming is hardly a concern, we don't remove Template:citation needed because it is unfriendly, we remove it because the issue is resolved.  The page has an issue. You and anyone else are free to ignore the notice, but as long as the issue persists it should be categorized as such.  AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 14:38, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I usually agree. I myself have spent a lot of time tagging Welsh language in English Wikipedia articles because it helps text-to-voice software to correctly pronounce words for those who are visually impaired. However, will a text-to-voice reader be able to correctly pronounce Quenya? It is, after all, a conlang with no real-world speakers. – Dyolf87 (talk) 11:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Screen readers, although very important to consider, are not the only consideration for language tagging.  You can see more at Template:Lang/doc#Rationale.  However really this isn't the place to discuss this.  If you feel that conlangs or languages with few speakers should be exempt from this accessibility guideline the appropriate place to take that up is really on WP:ACCESSIBILITY.  AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 13:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

text: Template:Lang or Template:Transl? It's not that Latin alphabet is native to the language, although it may be the most frequent. --Error (talk) 17:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is getting terribly academic, and if you read the above you'll see what I think of the templates anyway. Tolkien wrote Quenya in more than one alphabet. Feel free to tweak the templates as you please. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language cleanup 

message: The section talking about stress is very short and contains no examples. Seeing as this section closes by stating that syllable weight is important in Quenya verse, I think this needs to be addressed (with citations where possible). – Dyolf87 (talk) 11:05, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stress