Template talk:South Slavic languages sidebar

message: Do all dialects, mentioned here, belong to Central South Slavic diasystem? Are you sure? Kubura 14:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

message: It is based on the Serbian Alphabet but the language is not Central South Slavic. Alex 202.10.89.28 11:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macedonian Cyrillic 

message: Genetically there are 2 groups of dialects: Western South Slavic and Eastern South Slavic. Slavic Dialects of Croatia, Serbia, B&H, Montenegro and Kosovo belong to WSS, not some godforsaken "Central South Slavic" group, which is a term coined by Brozović for the sole purpose of replacing Serbo-Croatian anachronism. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 12:23, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. It's not used in the articles. Restored "Serbo-Croatian", which is the WP:Common name in English. kwami (talk) 05:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Division of South Slavic 

message: "Western Shtokavian", "Central Shtokavian" and "Eastern Shtokavian"??
Wikipedia is not a place for original works. Kubura (talk) 19:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like that has been taken care of. kwami (talk) 05:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange grouping 

message: The current position of Slovene in the template makes it look as if it is a part of the Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian language or language family, which is a bit odd, so it would be nice if someone could correct this error. 89.143.43.52 (talk) 17:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Moved to the top of the list. kwami (talk) 05:25, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Position of Slovene in the template 

message: Is someone joking here ??? "Ikavian" as part of Serbian? Some isolated groups of Croatian diaspora speak Torlak, but that doesn't make that dialect as Croatian. Also, if some Serbs used Ikavian speech (children of JNA officers from Serbia distributed in areas where Croatian Ikavian is majority speech), that doesn't make that speech as Serb speech. Kubura (talk) 02:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. kwami (talk) 02:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Some isolated groups of Croatian diaspora speak Torlak, but that doesn't make that dialect as Croatian.  - that is precisely what makes it "Croatian". "Croatian" is not a valid linguistic term, but ethno-political. Josip Lisac in his series of books on Croatian dialects (Hrvatska dijalektologija) includes and extensively discusses Croatian Torlakian dialects . See the title of the book itself: Hrvatski govori torlačkoga narječja - "Croatian speeches of Torlakian dialect". You cannot just selectively include some dialects and exclude others as you see fit. The same criteria have to be applied to all of them. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 04:34, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ikavian in Serbian 

message: What? The Torlakian is Croatian dialect? Doncsecztalk 09:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, see the discussion above. It's spoken by Croats, which makes it Croatian along ethno-religious lines. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 12:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Religious? Ethno? --Laveol T 12:46, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  What exactly is the problem? The division of Slavic languages is 100% along ethnic lines, because for the most part Slavic language area forms a dialectal chain which does not match country boundaries (especially if they're ridiculously shaped like Croatia.) There are Croatian Torlakian speakers, there are credible Croatian dialectology books that discuss their speeches, I don't see what's the problem with that?! --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 12:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was pointing to the ethno-religious line you were referring to. How exactly are Torlaks Croatians? Should they be Catholics to be Croatians along religious lines? --Laveol T 13:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you by Torlak mean "speakers of Torlakian dialect(s)", then yes some Torlaks are Croatian because they self-identify as such. Not many, but there are some. Croatian dialectological handbooks describe their speeches. Linguistic and ethnic/national classification are mutually orthogonal. When fitted inside a 1-D format like this temple, redundancy necessary arises. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 10:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

text: The Krashovani are Torlakian-speaking Croats. — kwami (talk) 23:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Torlakian is Serbian dialect, no matter who speaks it. 78.3.45.76 (talk) 07:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Only dialects spoken in Croatia or dialects that originate from Croatia can be considered as a part of the Croatian language. Torlakian does not originate from Croatia and cannot be considered as a Croatian dialect. The Krashovani in Romania identify themself as Croatians, however the majority of them originate from eastern Serbia and Bulgaria just as their Torlakian dialect. --90.230.62.70 (talk) 03:04, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torlakian is Croatian? 

message: Torlakian dialect is not Croatian dialect. Torlakian dialest is Bulgarian, Serbian ad Macedonian.
http://images.nationmaster.com/images/motw/historical/balkan_dialects_1914.jpg
http://images.nationmaster.com/images/motw/bosnia/serbia_macedonia.jpg
http://www.experiencefestival.com/torlakian_dialect_-_assimilation_of_torlaks
http://www.servinghistory.com/topics/Torlakian_dialect::sub::Literature
http://www.bulgariagovernment.com/images/bulgaria_simeon_i_893-927.png
http://forum.banjaluka.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=51863  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.168.103.169 (talk) 13:43, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Croats speak "Croatian", even when they speak Torlakian. — kwami (talk) 14:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a lie. Whoever speaks Torlakian, it is Serbian dialect, which has no any relation to Croatian language! 78.3.45.76 (talk) 07:56, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Torlakian is not spoken in Croatia and does not originate from Croatia. Therefor it cannot be considered as a Croatian dialect. The Krashovani in Romania identify themself as Croatians, however the majority of them (ethnically) originate from eastern Serbia and Bulgaria just as their Torlakian dialect. --90.230.62.70 (talk) 03:13, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  PROTEST