Talk:Flunitrazepam

message: The article lists Chemical Side Effects including:  "Unwanted intercourse in the vaginal region, and all other forms of sodomization"   Ummmm, i don't know much about Flunitrazepam and am no pharmacologist, but I would seriously want to see a source listing that as a side effect of the drug before putting it on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.104.97.194 (talk • contribs)  12:25, November 8, 2007
How about a section on drugs that can be used to counteract its effects and thereby avert date rape -- even if it's to say there aren't any? -- EB  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.134.167.78 (talk) 00:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Side Effects 

message: There have been rumours that rohypnol sterlizes the victim permanently... what is the real scene?
Pure speculation, accoarding to my doctor.
:Not just speculation, but in fact BS.
:The origin of the rumor is the use of the fictive drug Progesterex together with rohypnol, the stated (though illogical) goal being to avoid conception. This is, of course, just silly, as there is no such thing as progesterex, and conception only occurs if you leave DNA evidence which would be bound to be discovered with the amount of side effects such a drug would have if it weren't fictive. Zuiram 15:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rohypnol as sterilization drug 

message: from what i can gather the only diffrence between the two is one flourine atom. What are the diffrencies between the two that give such a diffrent effect as a date rape drug.
:I'm not sure there is such a difference, at least not in favour of preferring rohypnol for this use. For one thing, a too low dose will not induce anterograde amnesia, and a too high dose will actually act as a stimulant. (I have a source to verify this, if I can find the link, but the text is in Norwegian. In short, a Norwegian medical facility tested this based on rumors that abusers were taking it for stimulant purposes. They found that above 5mg or so, the effect paradoxically reverses.) Zuiram 15:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chemically, flunitrazepam is 1-methylated and 5-ortho-fluorinated derivative of nitrazepam. This chemical modification increases its potency some 10-fold; it also speeds the absorption of the drug from the GIT (effective plasma levels after about 10 - 15 min post 2 mg p.o., t(max) in 45 - 60 min). So, 1 mg Rohypnol has about the hypnotic potency of 10 mg Mogadon, but it "kicks" much faster and harder, which is why it's a particulary effective knock-out agent.--84.163.109.201 (talk) 05:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  similarity to mogadon (Nitrazapam) 

message: The article states that flunitrazepam was "never approved for medical use in the United States", and immediately afterwards states that it was temporarily placed in "Schedule IV" and was then moved to "Schedule III". Supposedly, it is *considered* for Schedule I classification. Please note that only substances which have no recognized medical use by the FDA are placed in Schedule I, therefore, if flunitrazepam "was never approved for medical use in the United States", it could *never* have been classified in any schedule lower than Schedule I, and it would federally be Schedule I at this time (which the article implies is not the case).
Conclusion: unless someone can cite that either:
*flunitrazepam is and has been a Schedule I drug in the US since it became a controlled substance, OR
*flunitrazepam was never classified by the FDA as a controlled substance,
I will *remove* the passage which states that flunitrazepam "...was never approved for medical use...", as this sentence renders the entire paragraph self-contradictory
--(Patrick 01:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that drugs exist that are not classified by the FDA as having medical use or not (uncontrolled substances), such as ginko biloba, for example, yet have widely accepted medical use. Like I said above, if someone can cite a source that says that the drug in question was at some point uncontrolled, then the statement that it had no accepted medical use at some point is true, only until it becomes scheduled, of course. As far as I know, however, flunitrazepam has been a controlled substance since its inception due to its nature as a benzodiazepine derivative. Therefore, in order for the statement to be true, the drug must have been scheduled under Schedule I (which, as stated in the article, is not currently the case, but possibly up for debate). (Patrick 21:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal status 

message: Can it make the user forget memory from the period immediately before the pill was taken?  I ask because this is how it is used on Arrested Development.
:Not as far as I know. It takes too long for the drug to enter the system for it to affect the transfer to long-term memory. The last 15 minutes before it kicks in could be sensitive to an extreme dose, which would need medical attention anyway, so isn't very relevant. It takes anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes before you start to notice the effects, but 1 hour to reach peak plasma concentration, so if the effect is strong enough to cause amnesia after 15 minutes, it will at the very least be strong enough to cause paradoxical disinhibition (aggression, etc.) at peak concentration, and quite possibly strong enough to be a serious problem. Zuiram 14:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Amnesia Effects?

message: same as this discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Date_rape_drug#weasel_words...
^^^POV warrior
Why is the neutrality disputed when you clarified with your citation that alcohol is much more commonly used in date rape than pharmaceuticals? Nobody disputed your citation. I removed the tags from the article as there is no dispute and as far as I am concerned your citation and data you added is correct and a productive addition to the article.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 13:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  section neutrality disputed-Drug-facilitated sexual assault 

message: The section "Sleep depth" says that flunitrazepam causes a decrease in delta sleep. It also states that an increase in delta sleep causes poorer sleep quality. Therefore, the statement that flunitrazepam decreases sleep quality seems to contradict the other information in this section. Tones of Proudness (talk) 18:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction in section "Sleep depth" 

message: At the end of the lead is the following sentence:
:Test results indicated that flunitrazepam was only used in around 1% of reported date rapes according to Robertson and 0.33% according to urine lab tests done by El Sohly
I find this ambiguous.  Taken literally, it means 1% of all date rape cases, regardless of whether any drug was used.  Since the vast majority of date rapes don't involve a secret incapacitating drug, 1% could actually be seen as a very high number (if you are just comparing to levels of similar purpose drugs).  And, does the source actually limit itself to "date rape" as opposed to "sexual assault" which the title of the source implies.  Is the source used just for the 1% figure, or is also used for the opinion that this is a small level, and popular belief is contradicted.  --Rob (talk) 17:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification of usage level 

message: I have looked most places and have been unable to find an answer to this question.  Is there anything that will counteract the effects of flunitrazepam after it has been ingested?
Many date rapes go unreported so the actual statistics are quite a bit higher than given in reports.  The "Blue" color is actually noticeable in most colas and semi-dark soft drinks as it changes the appearance and either makes the drink seem much darker or it gives the drink a bluish hue.  however there is always a salty after taste to the soft drink but in alcohol it is much less noticeable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdtheAminal (talk • contribs) 22:55, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Question regarding counteraction of flunitrazepam and some personal insights about it. 

message: The article barely talks about the therapeutic uses of Flunitrazepam, except for a single sentence in the lead. This is something that is in dire need of correction. I have reassessed the article from a B-class to a C-class article for this reason.
Acebulf (talk) 05:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of focus on therapeutic use of Flunitrazepam/Reassessment 

message: "While 80% of flunitrazepam that is taken orally is absorbed...". This does not agree with the infobox. Scott McNay (talk) 04:55, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepancy 

message: "Flunitrazepam and other sedative hypnotic drugs are detected frequently...". And how often is frequently"? 5%? 95%? If the source material uses that word and no better source is available, then please put it in quotes to indicate that the source, not the article editor, is vague. Scott McNay (talk) 05:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vagueness 

message: "About 20 years ago...". Surely that depends upon when the sentence was written, and was not intended to be a floating date. Scott McNay (talk) 05:13, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncertain date 

message: roofies Dawhoda (talk) 13:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  roofies 

message: I don't understand the status of this drug in the US (I'm British). I've always assumed this was primarily a US market drug, and there is a whole subculture around them there (the 'roofies' thing - there was even a Family Guy episode about it). However, the article states it's not licensed there. It's certainly not widely used in the UK, so where in the world is it used? Is the 'roofies' date rape thing just an urban myth? --Ef80 (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  US status 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In the first paragraph, the medication is said to be used "early in anesthesia." The subsequent reference does not support this. I suggest removing this indication, or adding an appropriate reference. Korey Pesicka (talk) 00:22, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in anesthesia 

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