Talk:Hugo Danner

message: I will expand his bio shortly. I have added several pictures and an info box already.--Ghostexorcist 20:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Further additions to bio

message: More WP:NOR speculation. But in this case, even the cite source disagrees: "This particular case of parallelism would seem to be pure coincidence. Wylie was born in 1902. Hugo Hercules only ran from 1902-03". — Will Murray. --Tenebrae (talk) 04:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hugo Hercules

message: This citation does not say what the article said it did, which is that author/historian Gerard Jones "suggests Danner was a major influence in the creation of Superman."
Jones merely speculates that "Gladiator must have touched upon everything he wanted and feared to be." To to leap from that to a "major influence in the creation of Superman" is a hugely interpretive leap — particularly in light of what Jones writes immediately afterward:
"The 'superman' was scarcely a new idea and was in fact a common motif of both high and low culture by the early Thirties, the inevitable product of those doctrines of perfectability promoted by everyone fromBernarr McFadden to Leon Trotsky. [... A] Cleveland radical named Joseph Pirincin argued in this lectures that [...] the citizen of a socialist future [would be] a 'veritable superman' by our current standards. He claimed he once gave this lecture at a community center in the early 1930s and in the audience where two young Jewish men who later ... We can complete the anecdote and surely dismiss it as wishful thinking, but it's a measure of the ubiquity of the symbolic superman." [Emphasis mine] 
Per the citation, Gladiator was no more influential than everything else in the Zeitgeist of the era, and to suggest otherwise — from this citation, at least  — is disingenuous.--Tenebrae (talk) 21:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Men of Tomorrow'' p. 80

message: The cite for the following is given only as "Jones," with no page number: "...one historian says Superman's nickname 'Man of Steel' was derived from Doc Savage's 'Man of Bronze'."
The index of Jones' Men of Tomorrow lists Doc Savage as mentioned on pages 85, 124 and 150. On not one of those pages does Jones make that claim. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Man of Bronze", "Man of Steel"

message: I can understand why :Category:Superman is in place. But why is this article linked into :Category:Spider-Man?
- J Greb 00:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As cited in the article, a critic believes Gladiator influenced Spiderman's wrestling match. I had a large section for it, but it was deleted. I am currently rewriting large sections that where deleted. I will re-add the larger Spiderman section later. --Ghostexorcist 00:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: hrm... The things you learn. Thanks, that makes as much sense as the superman cat. - J Greb 00:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Before Ghostexorcist goes to time-consuming lengths, I can only hope and suggest he read the policy at WP:SYN. --Tenebrae (talk) 05:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I only hope that tenebrae stops crying wolf about original research. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no need to impugn my motives. It shows a lack of good faith, which is yet another Wikipedia tenet. I am not pushing any point of view or agenda. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories...