Talk:Mario/Archive 3

message: So everyone knows if you see the username "Jpjuga" on the history list he has probably been vandilising this article so look at the changes made by this user if you ever see his name, i've just cleaned up some extreme vandilism made by this user.
:That user's been blocked now, no need to worry. Thanks for checking up on vandalism. Makron1n 17:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandal

message: Some creep just edited the sentence "Mario's original name was Jumpman" to "Mario's official name is Skinhead" I'll go take care of that.
This page should be protected. It's been getting vandalised a lot lately.Cfive 22:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: If you look in the assessment scale, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment you can see the description of an A rank article. I dunno about everyone else but there's so much good information here that this almost begs needing an A rank.
Being one of the most important characters in the gaming world, as well as one of the biggest and best VG related articles on the whole wikipedia, I think this could be expanded upon to get an A rank, or even FA rank provided it gets improved enough.
What does it need to help it going? I'd change the rank myself like it suggested I should if I disagree with the rank, but I'm hesitant. :(
Toastypk 18:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit long, though. Someone else (I'm section editing, can't see your name at the moment) said they were going to prune the "Special Powers" section (I think, section editing again) down, but since I've been away for a bit, I don't know about any changes. — SheeEttin {T/C} 21:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi again. Sorry about the delay. I am still working on that "pruning", though. -- Lee Bailey(talk) 22:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario really needs to be an A-class article 

message: User:Charoog10 has been editing the infobox to display different information.  The  infobox has been here for quite a while - should it be reverted to that version?  I've already reverted it once, and I don't want to get into an edit war. Also contains unofficial information, like stating that Peach is Mario's girlfriend. --Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 01:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The infobox 

message: I've given this a first pass. At the moment, it's probably too short, but I thought comparing two versions might be a jumping off point for a discussion as to what abilities need to be mentioned, and which ones don't. I'd still like to add an extra paragraph about less-used items following the items paragraph -- this would include the caps from 64 and the non-recurring Super Mario 3 items, among other things. Also, I left the images out for now, just because I thought it made more sense to integrate them back into the layout after figuring out this section more concretely. Thoughts? -- Lee Bailey(talk) 07:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Beginning of attempt to shorten and organize abilities section

message: Under Mainstream success it says "Mario is the official video game mascot for Nintendo, and is synonymous with the Nintendo brand. Because of this, Mario only appears in Nintendo games on Nintendo systems.". But this is not true because less then a screen down there is "Appearances on non-Nintendo platforms"--141.157.98.29 19:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Thanks for the tip. :)  -- Lee Bailey(talk) 21:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Only Nintendo not true

message: Why has the introduction been lengthened? Last time I was here, it was shorter, more succint and, just quietly, a lot better. Satchfan 02:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro? 

message: "Bowser isn't Mario's only foe, however. He has rescued Princess Peach and saved the Mushroom Kingdom from a number of different villains such as Wart in Super Mario Brothers 2,"
Now it seems to me that this bit about mario 2 in the context it appears in this article would imply that this game actually happened in the Mario universe canon. Now correct me if I'm wrong but I do beleive the game ends with him dreaming the whole thing, and thus should not be included as something he actually did.
"but mike, we see enemies from mario 2 in alot of games after it so mario 2 had to have been more than a dream."
well ofcourse we would see those enemies. how many creatures do you completly make up when you dream? I think it's safe to assume that these enemies that appear in mario's dream are there becaus of past experiance with them. any way just my 2 cents
--TimeCruiserMike 16:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If those enemies existed in reality before the dreamed events of SMB2, surely Wart could have as well? --Guess Who 05:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was never specifically stated that the whole game was a dream.  For all we know, Mario could have been dreaming of the adventure that he had just had.  It can be safe to assume that Wart is a "real" creature, however the only other appearance he made was in Link's Awakening, which was also considered a dream.  Until Nintendo says that the realm of Subcon was just a dream that Mario thought up, it can be assumed that the place and everyone in it exists.  -SaturnYoshi 06:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As an aside, the above quote states that Mario saved The Mushroom Kingdom from Wart, which is not true.  He saved Subcon from Wart. (I've decided to reword that little bit myself.)  Back to the main issue though, even if the name 'Subcon' strongly suggests a dream world (subconscious), anything can happen in the Marioverse, and so everything in it should be presumed to be real.  If Mario dreamed the adventure, he could have been physically transported to a different realm during his sleep, or some other fanciful scenario. Makron1n 14:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Super Smash Bros. Melee refers to Subcon as "Mushroom Kingdom II".  Whether this is Nintendo's way of saying that Subcon is an alternate Mushroom Kingdom (like the Hyrule/Termina connection) is anyone's guess.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more likely to just be a continuity error in Smash Bros. Makron1n 11:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wasn't it just a dream? 

message: The article says that the name "Mario Mario" has never been confirmed in any Nintendo media. However, in Nintendo Power, which is part of Nintendo of America, they confirm that Mario's full name is Mario Mario (and that Luigi's full name is Luigi Mario) So it has been officialy confirmed.
:Please inform me which issue specifically includes this. I can verify this, but only if you let me know which issue.  -- (Lee)Bailey(talk) 23:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember reading that issue also.  I believe it was in the Letters Section.  While I can't pinpoint the exact volume, I believe it may have been in 1995.  I'm not sure how much that helps though.  --SaturnYoshi 09:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember seeing this particular letter too, in response to a letter writer that figured that if they were the "Mario Brothers", thier last name had to be Mario. The reply seemed rather tounge-in-cheek, and I don't know how reliable the word of some NOA guy answering letters is, but it does count as "Nintendo media", and is most likely where the movie got the name.  Other than that, the only refrence to "Mario Mario" I've ever seen is in the SMB movie.   So, I'd probably not call it "official" unless someone has a source from Miyamoto calling him that.   --UsaSatsui 03:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have Miyamoto's address or telephone number?  --SaturnYoshi 06:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha! I don't think that'd work. Maybe an email address for someone involved, but I doubt you'd get Miyamoto. But you never know. — SheeEttin {T/C} 14:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo has an e-mail form () for those who are ambitious enough to find out the truth of this matter, or just want to find the source of this NP issue.  --UsaSatsui 23:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If using it, remember that we can't modify the article based on that information. -- ReyBrujo 02:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, I've looked through a huge stack of Nintendo Power magazines, including all of 1994 and 1995, and still can't find this. :(  It might be in one of the few I don't have -- I own a lot of 'em. But I will say that the answers to most of the letters I did read were very tongue-in-cheek, including at one point a 'scientific' discussion of whether or not Kirby was actually made of marshmallow... I'm left with the impression that the folks who answer those letters can't be trused for much more than release dates and what's coming up in the next issue.  -- (Lee)Bailey(talk) 14:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mario Mario" official 

message: Mario actually says TWO sentences in that game. If you stand near the well, you can hear him say "Hey, Luigi, what's the holdup?" --Color Printer 01:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luigi's Mansion 

message: I don't think the section about metal mario is important enough to be so high at the top of the article... maybe it could go under something else? -Power Slave 21:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Metal Mario

message: I felt that a lot of the text under the heading of 'Concept & Creation' actually described Mario's abilities in various games, and therefore belonged in the section above it, which is similarly titled. I have, however, not transplanted all of the abilities that were mentioned in that section over: feel free to add to what I've written. Makron1n 15:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Concept & Creation

message: Under 'Characteristics', someone had written a short section on how Mario had achieved a more 'realistic' look in successive generations of promotional artwork. However, I'd be inclined to say that he's simply got more detailed, rather than 'realistic'. He still looks nothing like a real human being (which is entirely the point; he is a stylised character). Anyway, I've reworded it. Feel free to dispute. Makron1n 07:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Realistic' Mario

message: I recently stumbled across this website with sprites apparently included in the programming but were not used in the game PM: TTYD. Could someone please verify this information and include it in the article if neccesary? The site is here: . The sprites are found on the bottom of the page. 138.192.30.189 00:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sprites in PM: TTYD

message: Hello all!
The article says that Mario games sold over 275 million units.
But the source specified for that number quotes Nintendo who says that the Mario franchise "only" sold 184 million games. This is in line with the official Nintendo press releases: 
The Shigeru Miyamoto entry in moby games  says that:
Both the Zelda and Mario franchises have been amazing sellers, with Mario selling almost 275 million units and Zelda selling 47 million units as of 2005.
I imagine that the difference between Nintendo numbers and the numbers cited in Moby Games come from all the non-Super Mario Bros. games, such as Mario Party or the Mario Sports titles. Just a thought.
Anyway, 89 million units is a lot of a difference. That's more than twice as much as all the GTAs, or three times as much as all the Resident Evils.
Quotes from Wikipedia with both numbers (275m and 184m) circulate today on the internet. In some non-English versions of Wikipedia, 184m is still the official number. But in the article, we don't give evidence that the Mario franchise sold 275m units. 
Either way, both numbers were as of 2005. Now with New Super Mario Bros, Mario Party 7, Mario & Luigi Partners in Time, all released in 2006, they probably could be updated. Does anyone have a good source?
--Jerjer 09:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario franchise sales figures? 

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thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: Video interview from Inside Edition 1988 confirming that the name is just Mario, not Mario Mario.70.101.200.243 07:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo of America did not create the game.  The only one who can truly answer that question is Shigeru Miyamoto.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 15:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmation of name being just "Mario" not "Mario Mario" 

message: I'm going to try to cite some more sources in this article. Anyone want to help? --The Great Llama(speak to the Llama!) 19:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite more references 

message: So, should this be split into a seperate article, or what? Personally, considering the length of it, I think it does belong in a seperate article. --—The Great Llama talk 14:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be worthwhile. There should also be more of a differentiation between actual appearances of Mario and mere allusions to or parodies of him or his world (as in World of Warcraft/Bully). Makron1n 15:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of that section still bothers me, given that Mario doesn't actually cameo in World of Warcraft. I've been trying to think of a good name for that section, but can currently only come up with the idea of sticking "/allusions" on the end, which is clumsy. (Hey, it is nearly 2AM here, and I lack coffee.) Any better ideas..? Makron1n 01:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, er, woops. Looks like that little bit just needs deleting. Makron1n 01:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cameos and special appearances 

message: About how many references should there be in this article? —The Great Llama talk 17:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Contrary to external links, there will never be "too many" references. If inline citation is used through the m:Cite/Cite.php format, they are obstructive for casual readers (sure, harder to edit, but such is the price for our verifiability concept). -- ReyBrujo 18:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many references? 

message: Someone deleted everything! Roxyr 16:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been reverted by an anonymous user. Vandalism on this page is quite common, but not really common enough for the page to be protected. Yet. Decent users are doing a good job of staying on top of it. Makron1n 17:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Damn Vandals