Talk:Kaiser

message: Kaiser means emperor, and could redirect to emperor where sections concerning German emperors are already present and in to which this article could perfectly be merged. Then there's the redirect to wiktionary which would also be a possibility, but not my favorite. Then there's the third. An explanational article on the term "kaiser", but much shorter and more factual than the current one, like my version which was reverted by Cyrille Dunant. The latter has my preference. 
Rex 18:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 ways to go for this article. 

message: The word Kajzer in Polish refers not to the German Emperor but to the Austrian one (since Franz Joseph) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.2.99.84 (talk) 14:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know the Dutch etymology of Keizer directs immediately back to the Roman honorific of successors to  Gaius Julius Caesar. I.e. as far as I know the etyomology may have occurred in parellel. (although I can of course not deny the possibility that the German Kaiser refers back to the Dutch keizer.). In brief the translation section is very speculative and German POV. A source is needed that the German Kaiser is indeed the starting place of all "translations" (and this source should be provided soon) otherwise I will remove the whole mess. Arnoutf 10:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The word itself appears to be an early (maybe biblical?) loan-word that is common to the Germanic dialects. The Gothic bible translation already has kaisar (). I am not sure about the origin of the title though; it may have been copied from Byzantine practice. But then again, in parallel, one would expect to find a derivative of Augustus or imperator in modern German, which isn't there. Iblardi 18:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  Not necessarily. In English we only see Emperor (from Imperator) and the adjective august (noble) but (as far as I know) nothing derived from Caesar; so if it is not in English (in many aspect a language closer to Latin then German), why should we expect the full set in German??? Arnoutf 17:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Back then, the article was stating that the origin of Kaiser was the Byzantine honorific title of Caesar, employed by the German emperors to "reflect their supposed heritage". Iblardi 03:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Polish Kajzer 

message: The (Holy Roman) imperial crown was never linked to Germany but always to Rome. Only when Otto I (the King of the German franksih states) ascended to the throne of Rome did the Holy Roman Empire become a German empire. Arnoutf 16:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the Ottonians were Saxon, not Frankish. Iblardi 23:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: German History

message: In The Ideas and Ideals of the British Empire, Sir Ernest Barker (Google Books), we find on page 45 the following: "..the British sovereign became Kaisar-i-Hind (on the analogy of the title Kaisar-i-Rūm used in Constantinople)..." The latter, of course, dates from 1453 when the Ottomans took Constantinople. This supports the hypothesis of origins other than German. Choess 17:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the null-hypothesis would be "other then German" as contact between medieval Germany in India were very limited; while other contacts with Roman descendants e.g. Byznatine empire seems more likely. (in other words evidence needs to be presented to link German to Hindi, not to denie that link). It is however nice to see that there is actually evidence for this. Arnoutf 08:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia articles already use several spellings for the Ottoman title, Mehmed II‎ (Kayzer-i Rûm) and Rise of the Ottoman Empire (Kaiser-i-Rum). What was the spelling and pronunciation of the corresponding title of the Eastern Roman Byzantine Emperors, presumably in Greek anyway? (apparently not Καίσαρ ) Also, Mehmed II knew about Western Holy Roman Emperors ("The intent of his invasion was to capture Rome and "reunite the Roman Empire", and, at first, looked like he might be able to do it with the easy capture of Otranto in 1480 but Otranto was lost to Papal forces in 1481 after the death of Mehmed.") Besides, its safe to say that Muslims not only had encountered crusaders centuries before Constantinople was taken, but also had negotiated with the multi-lingual Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor -- Matthead discuß!     O       16:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: [edit conflict] If I remember well the -ai- would have become monophthongized to the -e- that it still is at an early stage, but any support this might give to the argument that kaiser would have derived from German is outweighed, i.m.o., by the simple observation that the place name Kayseri (Caesarea) is spelled along the same pattern. And although I know near nothing about Turkish phonetics, the -z- may simply imply that intervocal -s- becomes voiced in Turkish, as in German, early Latin, and doubtlessly many other languages (though not Greek), so this may be no more than a coincidence. Moreover, I don't think the prestige of Western crusaders counted for much in the Middle East. Argueing from common sense, it is simply unlikely. The first empire, and the one the Turks (and their predecessors in the region) had the most frequent contacts with was that of Byzantium (=Romania, Rum), which predated that of the Germans by centuries. Iblardi 16:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am not sure what point you (Matthead) are making. Contact between muslim and even hindi states may have occurred, but that in itself is not an argument that the imperial style is copied from German; that last claim needs a source that explicitly acknowledges that linguistic connection. Arnoutf 09:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kaisar-i-Hind 

message: What is the point of this article? Merge with emperor and List of German monarchs or something like that. Känsterle 12:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There seems to be some sentiment against that solution. Why?? I have no idea; I previously supported such a merger proposal. Arnoutf 14:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't oppose it, especially since I see no arguments why it would be anything different than simply the German language's equivalent of the English "emperor" which is additionally used in English to denote the German emperor after 1871. Iblardi 18:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Point of this article

message: Are people with the last name Kaiser decended from emperors?  If so, shouldn't this be mentioned in the article?  Emperor001 (talk) 17:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as likely as everyone with a last name King descends from royalty; in other words no, the choice of legal last name was free for all to choose; in the Netherlands (my home country) for example there are many examples of "Prins" (Prince); "De Graaf" (Count); "Koning" (King) as wel as "Keizer" (Emperor); most of which will not have descended from those. No need to mention this; in this article. Arnoutf (talk) 17:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Last name

message: Sorry for the delay contributing. I've been ill and unable to wrangle my brain sufficiently for this degree of intensity. I'll get back to other points later, but this stood out during a quick reread:
:In English the (untranslated) word "Kaiser" is mainly associated with the emperors of the unified German Empire (1871–1918) and in particular with Kaiser Wilhelm II.[citation needed]
This is a broad assumption that does not hold true in all native-English speaking regions. The "citation needed" note someone added indicates I'm not alone in this. This may be default UK practice, and I surmise with non-primary English speakers who learned based on British rather American format; however, this statement doesn't make that clear, and regional differences are not spelled out. Hopefully this ambiguity is simply an oversight and not a willful omission. This statement needs to be clarified. My suggestion for the time being is to change the lead in words from "In English," to "In some English-speaking regions," or change the lead in to "Many English speakers associate the word "Kaiser" mainly with..." to address both native and non-native English speakers who use this practice. I don't feel comfortable making any changes to the actual page without vetting first. Thanks.Krumhorns (talk) 05:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your suggestion is even worse, or at best equally bad. Worse because the "softening" of the claim introduces all kinds of unverifiable suggestions and weasel words. Equally bad, as the statement "Many English...." still requires a references as much as the current version. Arnoutf (talk) 08:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: English Meaning

message: Accordin to the entry for Emperor William II, his first wife was Princess Augusta Viktoria of Schleswig-Holstein.  Is he part of this family? If so, should be inlcuded?79.36.123.105 (talk) 23:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not completely sure why adding spouses would make this article better? The main topic is the title "Kaiser" not necessarily the persons related to that title. Arnoutf (talk) 07:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Empress of germany 

message: The article uses the term "the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation)". Shouldnt that be 'Nations' and 'Nationen', as it refers to a group of nations bound together? At least in German its definately used in its plural form. Please check this, thank you!
83.216.247.84 (talk) 11:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numerus mistake? 

message: Is it worth mentioning that since WWI, kaiser has become a euphemism for your backside (at least in British countries). It's not uncommon even today to hear people refer to having a pain in the kaiser, or threaten to stick things up kaisers. Greencircle (talk) 20:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It should not become trivia, and it should be supported by reliable sources. Arnoutf (talk) 17:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

text: There is nothing like these usages in the Dictionary of American Slang (2nd edition).  Maybe something can be turned up in the Oxford English Dictionary, or the Historical Dictionary of American Slang. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 01:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Euphemism

message: There was not an Austro-Hungarian Empire as such, and it had no Emperors (or Kaisers). Austria-Hungary was a political union between an Empire (of Austria) on the one and a Kingdom (of Hungary) on the other hand. While the two entities always had the same person as monarch, there was no overarching monarchial title for the whole. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Austro-Hungarian Empire

message: I rarely comment or edit, so I did not want to make this change myself. However, footnote #1 references a document that is not on the indicated server. Should be removed?William.quay (talk) 16:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call! But not necessarily a reason for removal. Linkrot is a major problem, for paper like this which have no DOI. In this case I could easily find another version archived at Harvard. I replaced the link with the Harvard link that works (at least today). Arnoutf (talk) 18:07, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete reference 1? 

message: "Caesar" according to Pliny the Elder (see Julis Caesar#Early life and career) comes from the caesarian section, meaning "cut from the mother" and that Julius took that as a nickname is different from being a family name. -Inowen (talk) 06:50, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Cognomen for explanation of nick name –> family name. --T*U (talk) 07:08, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Caesar 

message: "...The first Kaiser himself preferred either Kaiser von Deutschland ("Emperor of Germany")." That's it.
It probably should have continued with "...either Kaiser von Deutschland ("Emperor of Germany"), or Kaiser der Deutschen ("Emperor of the Germans"). 
But I'm not good at editing. KingOfRay (talk) 07:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete sentence 

message: " N97.   My first name Kaisa has the association "keisari"= emperor. What i have learned from it, is that an emperor's power isn't for a certain person or position but instead for a certain type of deeds, so in practice for many different kinds of persons and for them per deed and not continually. The person should be responsible, wise and skilled enough, work fairly for the good of the country and of the world. " from LearnTalents.BlogSpot.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:999:485:AF51:4485:89CF:DB92:79C6 (talk) 15:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emperor's power