Talk:Khalistan Commando Force

message: I rewrote the lead-in to focus it on the KCF, wikilinked the Khalistan movement, added sources.
I won't leave the claim about the KCF being considered freedom fighters long unless it is sourced.- sinneed (talk) 13:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate your efforts to improve the article in an neutral way. Reference has been added. Please pay your kind attention to sentence --> ,thereby diversifying and weakening of the focus of the Sikh freedom fighters.... you can read the whole paragraph. --99.51.223.161 (talk) 08:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: wp:CIRCULAR that is a copy of this article.- sinneed (talk) 11:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reworked the leadin, added refimprove 

message: SikhLionz.com: Martyrs: Shaheed Bhai Manbir Singh Chaheru
Copy of a Totse.com page supporting the KCF as "Freedom Fighters liberating the Sikh homeland"
- sinneed (talk) 00:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I rarely kill a source, but... these seem to clearly fail [[wp:RS]]... extremist. 

message: Commandos by By Icon Group International, Inc - Page 47
That is not the title, and the Icon group are, at best, editors...sort-of.  The title is "Commandos: Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases".  The book is a database dump of examples of ALL KINDS OF WORDING referring to "commandos."  The book is a fundraiser for an online dictionary organization.
'Punjab' by Icon Group International, Inc - Page 137
That is not the title, same as above.  The title is "Punjab: Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases".  This book is also a database dump of examples of all kinds of wording referring to "Punjab."  This book is also a fundraiser for the online dictionary organization.
I am not impressed.  If I can identify the author, I will issue an appropriate warning.- sinneed (talk) 02:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References appear fraudulent. 

message: Needs more sourcing.  There is also some content at Sikh extremism that could be copied here.  Because the article was so very chopped up, with bits and pieces scattered, repeated, and unsourced, poorly-sourced, it was difficult in some cases to determine what the editors were trying to say... or there may have simply been a lot of debris from edit wars, can't tell.
Please fact-check, reference-check, and most importantly correct, expand, and Please Source.
Thank you.- sinneed (talk) 04:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization, large copy edit, much general editing, some sources checked, etc. 

message: Pressing the "back" button may show the article header, complete with the project banner.  Removing all occurances, per wp:CIRCULAR.- sinneed (talk) 10:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This source is a copy of an old version of this article. 

message: ... but it turned out on detailed checking of the reference that it was simply a printed copy of this Wikipedia article wp:CIRCULAR.  Ouch.- sinneed (talk) 10:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killed what I thought was a large scale [[WP:COPYVIO]]... 

message: I would advice user Sinneed to rad Dera Sacha Sauda and Sikh code of conduct first so that he could find that Dera sacha sauda is in no way part of sikhism. If some newpaper make an error then it doesnot mean that we blindly start changing the text of wiki articles. He can also read [[Sikhism] to find its definition.--99.51.223.161 (talk) 10:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia does not rely on the knowledge of its editors (wp:primary sources).  Wikipedia relys entirely on wp:secondary sources.  Please take up your objections with the newspaper in question.  Please see wp:BALANCE.  Seek another wp:Reliable source which says what you find to be correct, and add that, if you wish.- sinneed (talk) 10:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I reviewed the article, and found that there was more informative wording available.  I am a bit dubious of cutting the words "a Sikh sect" that are demonstrably in the article, and I hope I am not falling into the trap of wp:censorship to accommodate the wp:OR of another editor.  The "anti-Sikh" wording as it was before broke wp:BLP... it might very well be deeply offensive to this living individual to be christened "anti-Sikh"... or it might not.  Either way, it was not in the source.  No matter, I have offered another edit I feel somewhat comfortable making.- sinneed (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sinneed, Thanks a lot. I like history, I have lived in Punjab, I have good knowledge of how and what happened out there, But! I do not let my own knowledge bypass wiki rules. The advantage of knowing history help us in looking for the required seconday sources, but there are several challenges in finding them. I always try extremely hard to look for them so that I could put things in true sence AND alongwith references. Also, if you come across any question especially on Khalistan movement, please feel free to ask me, I would be more than happy to point you towards right direction.--99.51.223.161 (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: wp:talk - Please focus on the content.- sinneed (talk) 01:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

text: And please, log in.  - sinneed (talk) 01:07, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Please learn about sikhism and its code of conduct first

message: I think a mistake may have been made with this edit. I wasn't able to find what it refers to. It would be better for the article if we included specifics.--Profitoftruth85 (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  updated reference to say 'page 8' and one person. thank you for correction Decora (talk) 02:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inquiry 

message: I added it for several issues. First, I dont judge if the organization is terrorist or a resistance movement, but as this is an encyclopedia, the article cannot state, quote: "Khalistan forces are freedom fighters.[6] And not terrorist [7]". Rewrite that in a proper WP tone, please.
I also rewrote this: "Kanwarjit Singh Sultanwind, then 23 years old, was killed brutally in jail.", as the source given states something very different, that he commited suicide while in custody. WP is an encyclopedia, not a political forum, so please adhere to reality and reliable sources.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV tag 

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message: DBigXray claims "it is widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject". This is very wrong.
:Describes "Khalistan Commando Force" as "organization" only.
:"A militant group, the Khalistan Commando Force, was created that would act for the council." 
:"The Khalistan Commando Force was the only militant group in Punjab"
:"Khalistan Commando Force is a military force".
:Lists under "National Organizations".
Reliable sources don't call it a "terrorist" organization and thus I am removing such POV pushing against WP:TERRORIST from the article. "Radical" is among contentious label, that should not be used. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 16:45, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I am now more assured that you don't even have idea about what is supposed to be a WP:RS, since your self-published sources, news clipping fails RS. You are still yet to grasp WP:TERRORIST: "Value-laden labels—such as calling an organization a cult, an individual a racist, terrorist, or freedom fighter, or a sexual practice a perversion—may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution." Your POV edits which are failing to provide sources to provide description and your addition of unsourced labels clearly shows you are not understanding the policy. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 00:52, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Harmanprtjhj please explain which of these sources is not WP:RS according to you  and why ?--DBigXrayᗙ 01:17, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all but some are unreliable. Ultimately they all fail the requirement detailed by the policy on WP:TERRORIST. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 02:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Harmanprtjhj I repeat,  please explain with diff which of these sources is not WP:RS according to you and why ? the Question of WP:TERRORIST is secondary.--DBigXrayᗙ 13:40, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Do I really have to describe you that lulu, a video clipping from 1987, etc. are in reliable sources? And once again, none of these references pass the requirement detailed by WP:TERRORIST. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 02:10, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

text: *A disproportionately large number of mainstream media calls this organisation as a "Terrorist organisation". Multiple  independent third party reliable sources have been presented above to clarify that this is appropriately mentioned in the article. If you are trying to say that the above are not reliable sources then we can discuss them. Claiming that these sources does not exist is a demonstration of WP:IDHT. Kindly stop this whitewashing before you are blocked for repeated WP:Tendentious editing--DBigXrayᗙ 13:59, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: *User:Harmanprtjhj I am still waiting for your response on the specific questions I raised above. --DBigXrayᗙ 15:06, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: *I have restored reliable sources back into the article as no reasonable justification was produced against these sources, or any valid policy based reasons as to why they should not be included. --DBigXrayᗙ 04:07, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Labeling on lead and other parts of article

message: Please restore the reliable sources and undo this revert  made by the IP 103.255.4.8, while evading his ban per  WP:SOCKSTRIKE This IP geolocating to the same location has already been blocked, see  DBigXrayᗙ 14:02, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus is against your edits which are violating the policies as confirmed by third opinions elsewhere. Also read my explanations above once again. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 21:34, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Kindly explain your reasons and explain which policies are being violated? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:TERRORIST and WP:NPOV is being violated and DBigXray has already been told by enough editors (on ANI) that he is wrong with his edits. No one except him believes that he was correct. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 22:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  In my view, we must be circumspect about the terrorist label being applied to individuals. But organisations and incidents do not have that kind of a concession. For the latter, when they practise terrorist tactics in a factual sense, they should be called so, assuming reliable sources do it. To me, that seems to be the case here. You are welcome to take it to WP:NPOVN. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:17, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   "In my view" is irrelevant. Have you ever read  WP:TERRORIST? Wikipedia dont really bother calling groups a "terrorist" as facts, and doing it otherwise is POV pushing. You should talk about policies. You are welcome to change that policy by proposing changes on its talk page. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 02:38, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Harmanprtjhj it is clear by your comment above, that you seem to believe the word "terrorist" should never by used anywhere. WP:TERRORIST never says what you are claiming and misrepresenting above. experienced editors have read these policies and know its implementation. it would really help you if you stop this tendentious editing and join the discussion in the thread above to raise concerns if any. Multiple reliable sources have been presented above to show how this organisation is represented in media.--DBigXrayᗙ 10:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 13 January 2019 

message: Per the WP:ARBIPA discretionary sanctions this article and its talk page are placed under a strict civility restriction and 1RR restriction effective immediately and indefinitely. If I see any editor ignoring this warning you will be blocked from editing. Do NOT ping me about this matter, I am watching the page and will make my own conclusions. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ivanvector  please consider indefinite ECP also per Wikipedia:General sanctions/India–Pakistan conflict since this is part of India pakistan conflict. (source ET, Statesman "Pakistan based Khalistan Commando Force" ) And then we have these open proxy IPs tag teaming for edit warring on content against policies. --DBigXrayᗙ 06:27, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discretionary sanctions notice