Talk:Matt Hamill

message: I need some help with Hamill's MMA record. As you can see, I've added his MMA history on the bottom of his bio as we see for other MMA fighters. 
Facts: Hamill has 2-0 Amateur record, and 1-0 professional record. (source: FCFIGHTER)
The only problem is, before I edited anything on this page for the first time, Hamill's record was shown as 2-0 here.. I know UFC website says the same.. but if the 2nd win was against Jesse Forbes, this means the other win was from one of his amateur fights.. why would one of those be counted and not his another (2nd) amateur fight? 
I edited it to show 3-0 instead.. if we are going to include amateur fights. But then I noticed the MMA record stub on bottom is not supposed to include amateur fights.. so I kind of got myself into a mess.. would apperciate it if someone can help me sort this out. 
Thanks in advance, --Cflannagan 23:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We shouldn't be including his amateur fights.  We also shouldn't use his UFC record as a source.  I think what they do is count fights people had on The Ultimate Fighter which shouldn't be counted as they were exhibition bouts.  Hamill's record should be 1-0. VegaDark 23:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that makes sense.. I was pretty much leaning toward fixing this to show as 1-0, but wasn't sure because this page was showing 2-0 before I did any editing on it. I've updated the page.--Cflannagan 04:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not as familiar with MMA so could it please be further explained as to why his fight on The Ultimate Figher is concidered an exabition?--Edy52285 08:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the fights took place in Nevada, and Nevada law requires that all official sporting event results be released immediately after happening.  The UFC didn't wan't the fight spoilers on the show to be leaked, so they are considered exhibition bouts so they don't have to release the results to the public until the show is actually aired. VegaDark 19:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup needed for Hamill's MMA record 

message: While creating an article about Kendall Grove, I accidentally copied the code for that article into this one. It was temporarily an article about Kendall Grove. I think I fixed that. Sorry for the brief interuption.Alex Klotz 03:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My mistake 

message: is there a source to his child and divource?
His MySpace account says that he has a daughter. (MgTurtle 22:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life? 

message: There was some controversy over the split decision loss against Bisping. Maybe mention that?    —Preceding unsigned comment added by Francisc (talk • contribs) 09:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll get on it. This and Michael Bisping were seeing crazy levels of vandalism though.  east.718 at 11:04, September 9, 2007 
There's a link to the video of the entire fight with Bisping, and yes, it would be great if you could add this link after noting that the decision was very controversial: http://www.mmatko.com/michael-bisping-vs-matt-hamill-ufc-75-fight-video/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.65.146.170 (talk) 20:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy in UFC 75? 

message: "The decision was considered controversial by virtually everyone who has seen the fight."
It makes sense to reference the Bisping/Hamill controversy but the wording 'by virtually everyone' seems out of place for a non-POV article.  Despite it being unverifiable it's also not contained within the referenced articles.  
Presumably the author meant 'considered controversial by many'?
212.44.32.134 (talk) 13:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small wording correction necessary? 

message: Why does it say in the beginning of the article that Hamill "is the only person who is retired by the current UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Jon Jones"?  — Preceding 
It says that Hamill is the only one to hold a victory over the current UFC Light Heavyweight Champion. Hamill won by disqualification from illegal 12 to 6 elbows on the ground. It should state in the introductory paragraph, somewhere in that sentence, that the victory was due to disqualification. The victory was due to an error by Jones. Hamill didn't earn that defeat so to say Hamill is the only one to hold a victory might be technically true but it doesn't tell the full story and gives the impression Hamill beat Jones by decision, knockout, or submission. - Anonymous
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thread_title:  Retired 

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message: An IP editor(s) continues to add Hamill's win over Jon Jones in the opening paragraph as a notable win. The MMA community on Wikipedia has a consensus view on this matter which can be read at WP:MMA:
"Do not add notable victories/wins in the lead section as that does not represent a concise overview of the article, it does not present a neutral point of view and there is no objective way to determine what makes a victory notable. If you believe that a single notable victory should be added for a specific fighter, first discuss it in the article's talk page or in the talk page of this WikiProject to determine by consensus whether or not that information should go in the lead section."
This seems pretty clear. This information should not be added unless a consensus is achieved to do so first. So I'm opening it up for discussion. My view is that the objections raised above very much apply here and is why we shouldn't mention the victory over Jon Jones. Even Hamill himself stated that he shouldn't have won. Just mentioning the win without any context paints a very misleading picture of the event and runs counter to the goals of Wikipedia. SQGibbon (talk) 17:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding victory over Jon Jones in the opening paragraph as a "notable win" 

message: It needs to be addressed in Matt Hamills bio that he is the only MMA fighter to hold a win Jon Jones. Whether it is controversial or not, it is an important addition to his career and does put him in a very unique category. Locks74 (talk) 04:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: His victory over Jones is discussed within the article. If you are claiming that it should be mentioned in the lead paragraph then there is an open discussion right above this one where it can be discussed. SQGibbon (talk) 06:08, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: This is a contentious edit, or this has already been discussed, so you'll need to discuss first with other editors. If there is an existing discussion on the talk page please contribute to that section. If there is no existing discussion you may explain why this edit should be made in this section, or start a new section on this talk page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2022