Talk:Western Armenian

message: It seems Classical Armenian phonology may not have had ejective stops and affricates at all.  Hence, Classical and Eastern Armenian phonology are not exactly the same, even though they have 3 forms for stops and affricates.  Specifically, the ejective sounds (i.e. պ, կ, տ, ծ, ճ) in Eastern Armenian were simple unaspirated voiceless sounds in Classical.  (see Classical Armenian Online (The University of Texas at Austin)).  I think this makes sense, since ejectives are popular in languages in the trans-Caucasus, and may have been picked up by Eastern Armenian speakers over the centuries.  (This would also require changes to the traditional Armenian orthography article.) Serouj 02:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the coming weeks, I'll check my source out for that.  That sounds right to me, though.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 03:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonology of Eastern Armenian vs. Classical Armenian 

message: I am not very familiar with IPA, but իւ and the vowel u in the word pure sound the same to me. Serouj, if it doesn't exist in English, then use a French word. Let's not leave it blank. Hakob (talk) 20:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a French word that has a similar pronounciation. The u in "pure" is a little different than the way իւ is pronounced I find. - Fedayee (talk) 20:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Hakob, there is a distinction between իւ (ʏ) and յու (ju) in standard Eastern and Western Armenian.  In ROA Eastern Armenian there exists no (ʏ).  (Thank the Russians and some misguided Armenian linguists for that.)  In ROA Armenian, իւ was destroyed and replaced with յու.  "Pure" is a good example for (ju) so I am adding that as an example.  The (ʏ) sound doesn't exist in English.  You can look at the Wikipedia article for that sound for some hints (there's a recording of the sound).  Fedayee, the sound bite might help you find the right letter.  Serouj (talk) 22:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. It's just that when I pronounce the letter փիւր it sounds almost the same as pure. But now that you mention it, there does seem to be a small difference. I'm surprised this was the first discussion initiated on this talk page since 2006. If we complete Serouj's to-do list, perhaps this can become a featured article. Serouj, for point 5 on the to-do list, what Oshagan article are you talking about? By the way, the article is in need of some images. Should I scan the covers of some Yervant Odian and Hagop Baronian books and up them? They're the names that come quickly to mind when I think of Western Armenian. Hakob (talk) 23:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Alright, I put in as example for (ʏ) the French word for municipality since it's given as an example in the Near-close_near-front_rounded_vowel article. As for pure corresponding to քոյր, that's totally not it. Pure would be a good example for յու and not իւ. Here's a pronounciation of the word rouille , what do you think? - Fedayee (talk) 23:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh!  My bad on "pure"...  You're right!  "pure" is good for (ju) not (ʏ).Serouj (talk) 01:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

text: The "rouille" word isn't completely clear to me.  I think we might be able to find a good English word (for [uj] -- ոյ) if we think hard enough...  Serouj (talk) 01:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Hakob, see above for the Oshagan article I'm referring to.  I think that a few well-placed images are a good idea, but I think we should prioritize on content first.  I think the History section is the first priority, followed by a complete re-write of the Morphology section. (The book referenced on the article is great for Morphology.) Serouj (talk) 01:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Should Western Armenian verb table be merged into this article? Hakob (talk) 05:31, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, though it should probably be written in the Armenian orthography possibly with IPA.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 05:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  իւ 

message: Shouldn't we have the actual Armenian in the article and then have the transliterated text after it rather than just the transliterated text? It detracts from the actual meaning of the language (in my opinion at least).
Example:
                	սիրել (sirel)
'to love'	խօսիլ (khôsil)
'to speak'	կարդալ (gartal)
'to read'
ես (yes) (I)         	սիրեմ (sirem)   	խօսիմ (khôsim)   	կարդամ (gartam)
դուն (tun) (you.sg)  	սիրես (sires)   	խօսիս (khôsis)   	կարդաս (gartas)
ան (an) (he/she/it)  	սիրէ (sirê)     	խօսի (khôsi)     	կարդայ (garta)
մենք (menk)' (we)    	սիրենք (sirenk')	խօսինք (khôsink')	կարդանք (gartank')
դուք (tuk)' (you.pl) 	սիրէք (sirêk')  	խօսիք (khôsik')  	կարդաք (gartak')
անոնք (anonk)' (they)	սիրեն (siren)   	խօսին (khôsin)   	կարդան (gartan)
104.35.122.56 (talk) 06:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian transliteration 

message: Hello all,
I would like to discuss the number of speakers listed on this page.  With roughly 11 millions Armenians around the world, and roughly 4.5 million speaking Eastern Armenian, I don't believe it to be a stretch to believe 5 to 6 million speak Western Armenian.  Compared to other diasporan communities, Armenians have retained their language quite well.  There are no official numbers on this fact, but simple mathematics would allow us to discern 800,000 is ridiculously low.  Even if one takes the Armenian populations of Syria (100,000) and France (750,000), that already give us 850,000 Western Armenian speakers.  Canada holds another 100,000 with the overwhelming majority being Western Armenian speakers - the same can be said of New York's 150,000, Buenos Aires' 80,000, Beirut's 80,000, Detroit's 60,000, Chicago's 35,000, Sydney's 40,000, and Sao Paulo's 20,000.  These are only the most populated Armenian areas I am listing.  Even in these area alone there are ~1,415,000 Western Armenian speakers.  This number itself is much lower than the total number of speakers, but even this number shows 800,000 is strikingly low.  Please let me know your thoughts.  HyeSK (talk) 09:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "Armenians have retained their language quite well" Your anecdotal observations don't count as fact. You have to prove that all of, say, Detroit's 60,000 speak Armenian, let alone Western Armenian. Your entire paragraph is based solely on assumptions. --Երևանցի talk  23:14, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

text: Cite reliable sources or leave. This is not a forum nor is it a place for baseless speculations. --Երևանցի talk  07:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Who died and gave you the crown of Wikipedia?  You're a nobody. HyeSK (talk) 16:08, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wow. You've really got a solid argument.  --Երևանցի talk  17:05, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of speakers 

message: And ISO 639 code has been issued for Western Armenian
http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/cr_files/639-3_ChangeRequests_2017_Summary.pdf
http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/cr_files/PastComments/CR_Comments_2017-023.pdf
-- Evertype·✆ 22:34, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Armenian is distinct from Eastern Armenian 

message: I thought the article had this already... but we need a table of comparison between Eastern and Western variety for people like me who dont know much about the language, that is, for anyone...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.114.173.209 (talk) 21:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern vs Western difference 

message: In the lede it says that Western Armenian is "one of the two standardized forms of Modern Armenian". Is it really the case that Western Armenian is standardised in any sense? Like, is there some kind of institution (like the Académie Française for French) that regulates the Western variety of Armenian? If not, in what sense is it standardised? (The article on Eastern Armenian says the same thing, by the way) Bambi'nin annesi (talk) 19:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standardised form?