Talk:List of aviation accidents and incidents in the war in Afghanistan

message: A MI-26 on charter for Dyncorp in Afghanistan crashed last december. NATO held a ceremony for the deceased crew :
http://www2.hq.nato.int/ISAF/update/Press_Releases/newsrelease/2006/pr061210-349.htm
Shouldn't this crash be considered a "coalition" loss?  Comments anyone? Hudicourt 23:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Why did the list stop for 2008 entirely? There was a US spec-ops helicopter crash on 25th January 2008 with at least one KIA.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.83.2.98 (talk) 22:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
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message: What about UAV losses?  Are they not not aircraft?  Hudicourt (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: some info here http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/27/afghanistan.wikilinks.drones/index.html?iref=allsearch#fbid=tmqyIWnC3DE
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/07/28/afghanistan.drone.down/index.html?iref=allsearch#fbid=tmqyIWnC3DE --93.137.31.19 (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
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message: Qari Ismail is accused of downing a Chinook in June 2006, killing as many as 16 persons aboard - either this list is missing a major downing, or somebody fucked up. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead)  20:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a mistake, probably by whatever news source you got the info from. There was a Chinook downed in June 2005, killing 16. PBP (talk) 22:36, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, thanks for that - I checked adjacent months thinking perhaps it had occurred at the end of a month and was reported the next - but didn't think to check year discrepencies. Much thanks. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead)  22:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: I see that editors have expended a lot of time on this list.  Please could someone explain why it is notable and how it qualifies under Wikipedia's notability guidelines? Wikipedia:Notability (events) says: Many events receive coverage in the news and yet are not of historic or lasting importance. The Manual of Style and Wikipedia:Lists suggest that even lists should have a lead section that explains their notability. Thanks. --Bejnar (talk) 15:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What I see in the extensive footnotes are citation to primary news sources, no secondary sources.  --Bejnar (talk) 15:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: News agencies and journalists are not directly involved in the incidents, so they are secondary sources and not primary sources. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to differ.  News is generally regarded as a primary source, as it is very close to an event, often accounts written by people who are directly involved.Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources Notice the word "often". Secondary sources write about primary sources, often making analytic or evaluative claims about them.Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources  Some reports in newspapers are analytical and look at more than just reporting an incident, and are secondary sources.  However, those that I have looked at as substantiating this article were all mere reportage. --Bejnar (talk) 15:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

text: See also, Primary sources are documents or people very close to the situation you are writing about. An eyewitness account of a traffic accident published in a newspaper is a primary source. from Wikipedia:Attribution/FAQ#Types of source material, not a guideline, but an essay. --Bejnar (talk) 15:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not talking about eye-witnesses here. Most articles are based on official press releases or information given by the US Army. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You make my point: no analysis, no integration, no fact checking, just a report. --Bejnar (talk) 23:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we disagree. Media reports can't be considered as primary sources unless the just contain statements of eye-witnesses. Since we were officially confirmed, published and not doubted they form third party sources. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:45, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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message: I just heard it on Fox News. They said a CH-53 crashed in Afghanistan and they do not know the cause yet. 7 were reported dead. Maybe something to keep an eye on.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.114.111 (talk) 00:46, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  FYI: Recent CH-53 crash around midnight a day or so ago (Jan 18 2011 I believe)  

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