Talk:Shunpiking

message: One bit of discussion missing from this article (and I don't know enough about the subject to add it myself) is about when shunpiking is rendered impossible by either the state or by geography, i.e. when a city or region can only be accessed via toll roads. (The moral implication of this might be worth addressing too though it might be hard to maintain NPOV). A few days ago it was proposed by an official with the public transportation authority in Vancouver, BC that all bridges in the Lower Mainland become toll bridges (new and old). If this were to happen (it's pretty unlikely), the city of Vancouver (among others) would become inaccessible by road without paying a toll, no shunpiking possible (unless one used a mode of transportation other than vehicle). Aren't all of Manhattan's bridge connectors toll roads, too? 23skidoo 06:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Where shunpiking is impossible

message: Does anyone know the answer to this question?
::I think Vanderbilt on his Long Island Motor Parkway in New York. Jgcarter 19:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Philadelphia and Lancaster Turnpike (1795) was one of the first, operated until 1917. I wonder if there was a time when no toll roads were operated; the first modern one was the Pennsylvania Turnpike (1940), and the Long Island Motor Parkway closed in 1938. --NE2 20:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  who introduced toll booths and turnpikes to american roadways? 

message: I think it would be worthy and relevant mentioning Ft McHenry Tunnel and Baltimore Harbor Tunnel in this topic under Maryland section. Or is it that only bridges are relevant for shunpiking?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.118.49.207 (talk) 23:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baltimore Tunnels 

message: How is saying: if you drive farther you'll burn more gas OR or synthesis? It's a pretty obvious thing to say. And from there to: burning gas costs money, again, pretty obvious. And finally: if you burn more gas than the toll you wasted money. If you consider that synthesis you have a pretty poor opinion of your readers.
Is there anything wrong here? Do you seriously need a citation to say that burning gas costs money? Two editors so far removed a very obvious section citing OR and synthesis. I think people just don't want any mention of drawbacks to shunkpiking in the article. And I am aware that that is not assuming good faith. Well it's a little hard to when faced with such reasoning.
I'm going to put the section back, again, and ask people to respond here on the talk page, and we'll see where it goes. And, BTW, I did look for citations saying that wasting gas costs money, but couldn't find anything so obvious that was worth linking to as a cite. Ariel. (talk) 05:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism section 

message: *I have shunpiked a few times :: I avoided the toll on the Cob at Portmadoc (and its long queue) in north Wales by detouring through Tremadoc.
*:The road bridge over the Tamar at Plymouth (UK) has a toll. But they let motorcycles over free. Motorcycles are very popular in Plymouth.
*:Once to save money, the people who ran the Severn Bridge (UK) started charging twice the toll one way and free the other way. So people used it the free way and came back through Gloucester and the Forest of Dean. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another case 

message: The assertion that shunpiking may have had its origin in New Hampshire circa 1810 is conjecture and not supported by the written record.  There were shunpikes in a number of states before 1810, including one in Morris County, New Jersey, which dates back to 1804; and one near Mt. Holly, Vermont, which was in existence at least as early as 1809. (Sources below.)
I think it would be appropriate to discuss some of these early turnpikes--including the one in NH-- under a heading like "Early turnpikes," rather than the current heading "Word Origin." 
Sources: A newspaper article in the "New Jersey Journal" of 6 Mar 1804, (p. 4), references a house for sale on Shunpike Road between Morristown and Elizabethtown [Elizabeth], New Jersey.  This "Shunpike Road," parts of which are still extant, was in existence the same year that the turnpike opened for business: 1804.  It ran southwest of and parallel to the Morris Turnpike [now called "Old Turnpike Road.].  It was formed by the improvement and connection of sideroads to enable country people to avoid the expenses of the tolls.  Shunpike road ran through the towns of Bottle Hill [now called "Madison"], Chatham, Summit and Springfield. [Bottle Hill and Madison : Glimpses and reminiscences from its earliest settlement to the civil war. By William Parkhurst Tuttle. Madison, NJ : Madison Eagle Press, 1916.] Re: the shunpike near Mt. Holly, Vermont: this shunpike is mentioned in an advertisement dated 23 December 1809 which appeared on page 1 of the 21 Feb 1810 "Rutland Herald."Jenzum (talk) 02:03, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Word origin" section 

message: The word shunpiking is not widely used or understood in Britain where 'turnpike' isn't used to refer to modern roads. It's not impossible that the name Stan Shunpike derives from shunpiking but it seems unlikely. I'm going to add a citation request. --Ef80 (talk) 13:21, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stan Shunpike (Harry Potter)