Talk:Deborah Lipstadt

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message: The text now under  contains multiple statements that appear to be users' own interpretation or evaluation of Lipstadt's remarks, such as  Which independent, published sources directly support these characterizations? Note also that interviews and contemporary or breaking-news reports are normally considered primary sources, whereas Wikipedia articles, and especially BLPs, should be based largely on reliable, secondary sources. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:36, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of the cited pieces are secondary. Which stmts specifically are you challenging as unsupported by sources?Icewhiz (talk) 01:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some of the above terms are paraphrased from sources; I've struck those. However, I'm not seeing any independent, published sources directly stating that Lipstadt's remarks on Ernst Nolte were "along the same lines" as anything, or that her remarks on Trump constituted "returning" to any "theme", or evaluating her commentary on the Gaza/genocide issue at all. Furthermore, I've already provided a link to the Wiki project page that describes contemporary news reports as primary sources. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree some of those look out of place. When we are close to events, contemporary news reporting is not primary - it becomes primary as we become more distant. Some of the items in the current commentary section do have secondary coverage extending well past initial coverage - e.g. her comments on soft core denial (both in relation to Trump and in relation left wing UK politics) have been covered extensively (and in the case of the UK - for well over a decade). That being said - the connecting phrase of "returned to the theme" - seems like possible OR.Icewhiz (talk) 02:18, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:   – please cite any published expert or piece of Wikipedia guidance suggesting that sources somehow magically go from being secondary to primary ones. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:39, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. It's a blurry line - but generally - almost any news reporting from 1901 would be PRIMARY (for views in the period) now, whereas back in 1902 some 1901 news reporting may be SECONDARY (depending if it is a factual account of events - or an analysis of events). Icewhiz (talk) 15:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Interviews, which are the source of the entire "Commentary" section, are always primary, by policy. Do Control+F primary on WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Not only are they always primary, they are non-independent. That's why BLPs should avoid interviews and stick to independent reporting/analysis/perspective. Softlavender (talk) 18:15, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

text: If we're nixing the cherry-picked quotes, most if not all from interviews, I don't think this section can be salvaged. Probably best to delete the section entirely. If coverage warrants it, neutral independent third-party reviews of her or her work can be summarized or quoted, in a newly created section titled something like "Influence", or in a "Career" section. Softlavender (talk) 01:44, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly. I think the key is to focus on high-level sources and to avoid obsessively documenting every newsworthy sound bite. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:15, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the sound bites, in addition to violating WP:NOTNEWS, are also inherently misleading, as they are very short or shortish snippets of longer thoughts, statements, and interviews. Plus they are randomly cherry-picked out of who knows how many statements, either public or to the press, and interviews, she has made and done. Softlavender (talk) 02:19, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evaluating commentary 

message: The Career section is currently one sentence and needs expansion. Here are some basic sources: , , . -- Softlavender (talk) 02:16, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career section needs expansion 

message: On the 16th of november I added the innocent word „a selection" to the then called section works, knowing that Lipstadt wrote many more books than the mentioned four. She also wrote many articles in journals. The user softlavender reverted my edit at once and made an editwar in this cause., , . He claimed that Lipstadt did not write more than four books. I gave up my attempt to improve the biography of  in this minor matter. Today I found the replacement of bibliography with the word books through another author, which I appreciate in principle, because a deficient list of books is no bibliography. Today I added my words „a selection". But we have the problem, that all journal articles are missing. Could we get back to to the designation „works (a selection)" It is quite difficult to add only two simple words to your wikipedia for a foreigner and - in the field of history - quite expierienced user. --Orik (talk) 16:43, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Parentheses should not be used in headings. There is no evidence or indication she wrote more than five books. Softlavender (talk) 21:42, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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#I asked you, Softlavender, in November 2018, which regulation you would cite for your thesis. You did not answer. That „parentheses should not be used in headers" seems to be an invention of you. I found, that parentheses in headers in lists of literature are quite often used in Wikipedia. 
#Today you stated that Lipstadt wrote not more than 5 books.  I found on world cat, that Lipstadt wrote at least 15 books and many essays in journals, she has about 229 entries. You reverted my edit about 4 times. 
#You  reverted also edits from another person, which supported my opinion. 
#Why do you not wait until you read the answer of the begun talk today. 
#Your edit behavior seems to me not suit to the regulations of wikipedia. 
#I would appreciate opinions of other users to this matter. Additionally I request you to undo immediately your edit from today, until the matter is solved. If not, I will go to 3O. Orik (talk) 22:52, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selection of works 

message: I don't get how and why she is treated as some authority on "the Holocaust" given her multiple conflicts of interest in the matter. Could somebody explain why this isn't thoroughly reflected in the article? --105.8.6.224 (talk) 22:20, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Which conflicts of interest are those? Being Jewish? Being the daughter of a German immigrant? Being a historian? Being human? Not liking mass murderers in general? --Hob Gadling (talk) 10:08, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has inserted the phrase "an lying Jew" in the opening of the article on Ms. Lipstadt. This has to be removed. 2603:6011:A046:9600:980C:71C7:59E3:6A4C (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicts of Interest 

message: A recent (April 2022) article containing much material not already in the current WP article, including detail on Lipstadt beliefs about antisemitism and how they evolved:  JewishCurrents - Mari Cohen - Deborah Lipstadt vs. “The Oldest Hatred”, 28 April 2022: In her new role as antisemitism envoy, Deborah Lipstadt will attempt to fight a scourge of antisemitism that she seems to regard as incurable.      ←   ZScarpia   11:16, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source: recent JewishCurrents article. 

message: Anyone able to tell me clearly how her last name is pronounced? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of her last name 

message: The current infobox photo () is extremely hard on the eyes due to her outfit clashing with this background; it's basically creating an optical illusion, and it is quite straining to look at. Perhaps an image like  or  would be preferable? Curbon7 (talk) 08:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox photo