Talk:List of LGBT Jews

message: I never realised Eisenstein was gay. Can anyone find me some evidence to support this?
: See for example his GLBTQ entry. Though, having said that, it may be worth moving him to the "debated orientation" section. -Udzu 20:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sergei Eistenstein

message: I removed Guido Westerwelle as he seems not to be Jewish. According to  this bio sheet he belongs to the Evangelical Church in Germany. --Angr/ 18:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guido Westerwelle 

message: I'm wondering if anyone has come across any serious scholarly research that has examined the fact that Jews tend to be quite overrepresented amongst the gay and lesbian populations in the modern World, particularly in the USA and Western Europe.  I have read about this on certain Jewish websites and in a couple Jewish newsletters/newspapers, but have yet to find any academic research on this matter.  I know that the worldwide Jewish community is generally very gay/lesbian friendly, but I am looking for information/statistics that have has confirmed the noticeably higher incidence of homosexuality/lesbianism in the (mostly secular) Jewish population.  Thank you for any information that you can provide.  --205.188.116.73 16:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Higher Percentage of Gays/Lesbians Found in Modern Jews -- Research 

message: I thought he was just Jewish. His article says nothing of his sexual orientation.
:He definitely has sexual relationships with women. I suspect soemone has put him on there becasue Ian McKellen, the man who plays him in the film and very, very gay. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well.  There has been a certain amount of fan speculation about his relationship with Charles Xavier in various universes, particularly the Ultimate line of comics, where they run away from their wives together and describe the experience as "far more powerful than being in love".  Arguably, this is simply an example of the somewhat overwrought behavior to which Marvel comics characters are prone.  My own opinion aside, I'm going to remove him, since nothing is or is likely to be verifiable. —Celithemis 03:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magneto (from X-Men) was gay? 

message: Just a small point. But almost no one in this list has a reference! It is a controversial subject and the list includes many living people. Each entry needs to be properly referenced. Really all those without references should be moved here. I won't though as I'm rather busy with other LGBT lists... Please can contributors make an effort to find a source for those in this list? -WJBscribe (WJB talk) 12:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For Jewish references A-E, check this revision of my drafts page. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Brilliant! I'll get to work on incorporating those... -WJBscribe (WJB talk) 14:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: *I have decided to delete all the entries that are not sourced. The page will never be sourced otherwise, and it's the least one can ask for given the controversial subject matter, and the fact that much of this is debated. Don't worry; the old entries will all be saved in the page history and may be reinserted at any time with sources. Note that like most editors I don't consider blogs or webpages run by activists to be proper sourcing. Allon Fambrizzi 12:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Sourcing

message: I do not think that a list with this title should have fictional characters in it.  Were there to be a separate list of LGBT Jews in fiction I would support it because such a list would have precision, and would not dilute the valid list of living and dead real people.
I am considering being bold and splitting this article, but I suspect that might be viewed as controversial.  It would be infinitely preferable to build a consensus over this and to determine whether this section has a true place here or would be better in its own article.  Fiddle Faddle 16:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is now split.  See article page. Fiddle Faddle 07:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional characters? 

message: The link (under the category "Religious figures") goes to an external website's homepage, and IF there is indeed a list of LGBT rabbis at that site, I cannot find it.  
I WOULD have deleted it, but I am hoping that such a list exists, and that someone could change the link...?  Jfarber 23:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to List of LGBT Rabbis does not go to such a list

message: Hi! Does anyone know if Leslea Newman wasn't included on the list of writers for a reason? Just an oversight? I believe she's always been very open about her sexual orientation and wrote the seminal LGBT children's book, Heather Has Two Mommies. I was curious about whether she was omitted for a particular reason? Thanks! Howardsmith 16:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Leslea Newman?

message: Given an actor who has only publically had straight relationships, and then "hints" at being bi during interviews related to a bi/gay character.  Is that enough for inclusion, or should it be ignored as marketing.  The example that prompted this question is Mia Kirshner, who is on this list and List of bisexual people, with the only source being a hint dropped during an interview related to such a role.
:A hint is absolutely not enough, since we are relying on our interpretation of the hint. We need an unequivocal statement by the subject ("Speaking as a gay man, I...") or by a reputable third party ("X, who has lived with his boyfriend for the past 20 years..."). Barnabypage (talk) 11:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, only the "unequivocal" statement would be allowable for living people. WP:BLPCAT would prohibit the second type of example. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: What evidence is strong enough?

message: The year of birth appears only for a few people on the list, such as:
Isaac Mizrahi (1961 - ) American fashion designer
Arnold Scaasi (1931-) Montreal-born American fashion designerSince this info is missing for all the others, I think it should be removed completely. What do you think? Or maybe keep the  birth/death year only for those who died, so they will be easily identified?Kvsh5 (talk) 08:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of birth 

message: How is "jewishness" interpreted for purposes of inclusion? Obviously BLPCAT applies to living members, but there are still lots of gradients/definitions of Jew. Should the person be identifying "As a Jew"?  The case that is bringing this up is the recent add (since reverted) of George Michael. He has publicly discussed his maternal grandmonther being Jewish, which makes him Jewish according to Jewish law, but his mother was raised as a Gentile to avoid WWII prosecution see http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-georgemichael14-2008jun14,0,3920802.story and also http://www.dailyjews.com/articles/525_jewish_george_michae.htm (Which might qualify as an unambiguous self-identification, if the source is considered reliable.  Gaijin42 (talk) 16:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  jewish criteria for inclusion 

message: Editing the refs in this list, I found that Stuart Appelbaum is a redlink today. Previously he was an inline link. The normal rules suggest that such a person ought not to be a list member. His reference, though, shows a notable gentleman. I felt his name worth leaving in order to prompt an article, one I do not have time to write at present. Any takers? Fiddle Faddle 09:27, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Stuart Appelbaum]] 

message: What are other editors' thoughts on this? Zumoarirodoka (talk) 22:26, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The list has always seemed to me to be a weird intersection worthy of deletion as an intersection too far. Even the category seems to me to be a category too far. Since it seems to be a desired list then I think everyone shovel be included provided WP:BLP concerns are met in full. Fiddle Faddle 22:41, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I agree. There's no List of LGBT African Americans or List of LGBT Christians; it is rather peculiar. Zumoarirodoka (talk) 23:26, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The deletion discussion outcomes make interesting reading. You will see that I have nominated it once and contributed in at least one other discussion.. There is no Gay black dentists against nuclear proliferation either. The list and the category are somewhat prurient and, to a great degree, ghettoising. Fiddle Faddle 23:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should everyone from [[:Category:LGBT Jews]] be included in this list? 

message: Alerted to this by a discussion on the Frank talk page. I've removed the listing here, which is predicated on two sources: a passage from the diary and an article in The Advocate. The former is original research, of course, and I don't think the latter is sufficient, given the vast amount of scholarship on the subject. We need multiple reliable sources for such a claim. Coretheapple (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed Frank from the list. Sources are not RS especially for a definitive statement that Frank was LGBT. Sir Joseph (talk) 14:07, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been ongoing attempts to claim that Anne Frank was LGBT. See Talk:Anne Frank#Yet another attempt to classify Anne Frank as LGBT. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:55, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Anne Frank

message: The source for this appears to be a (dead linked) Village Voice article about a play. Are there any contemporaneous sources that say Leopold & Loeb were gay? There is speculation regarding this in the form of message board posts and there seems to be a theory behind it, which is why there are plays and fictional movies made about it, but I see no hard evidence to suggest they were gay. If none can be found, they should be removed from the article. Kindzmarauli (talk) 14:21, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I will remove it as nobody has discussed. Kindzmarauli (talk) 17:29, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: Please do not delete the red links from this list. They indicate that pages for prominent LGBT Jews need creation. It is possible that some folks will want to work on them during Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride or Art+Feminism events, or any time. Thank you!
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replies: text: These kinds of lists aren't intended to name every single Jew who might fit the criteria, but rather notable Jews who fit the criteria. If articles "need creation" then please go ahead and create them. You can then add them to the list. Jayjg (talk) 00:05, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: I don't see how this page is allowed to exist. The use of Queer Theory and the Jewish Question as an excuse for this list to exist even states in its summary that it is not interested in outing "queer Jews". This list outs queer Jews. So the use of a book that's not constantly updated is out. If those individuals on this public list added themselves would be one thing, but to have most likely a stranger feel the need to add someone alive or dead to this list should go against the privacy policy of any website of a user acting in good faith. I read the previous reply to an inferior attempt at pointing out the invasion of basic common expectations of privacy people have. To argue unknowingly that people on this list would be proud to be listed here, prove it. Delete all of the names and allow those individuals to add themselves. It should not be their names are on a list because of their religious beliefs, and sexual orientation without their expressed consent. People would be offended by their name showing up on pretty much any list online without their consent. It should not be anybody's assumption that a person would be okay with being listed because of faith and sexuality. Instead it should be assumed that nobody would be okay with being included in any list that's made public online. Even the book states this is wrong and not its intent, so it should be removed because it does not support this list to exist. Am I LGBT or Jewish? That's the point, it is not anybody's business. If a person wishes to express their religious or sexual orientation in an interview, bravo to them for that. But that is where it should stay, it shouldn't be used for a 3rd party to apply their name to a list without their knowledge. I don't know how Wikipedia has not realized this, but without consent by the individuals it is a flat out invasion of expected privacy. 73.228.222.112 (talk) 00:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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