Talk:Touro University (New York)

message: The formal name of Touro College is The Touro College and University System--so while even though Touro's social media sites call themselves just Touro College, the school has a bunch of satellite schools around the country and world, etc. What's the best way for me to expand upon this article in an appropriate way?  I can make edits with third party citations, sure, but when it comes to essential things like the proper name of the college/university, how to I do that -- maybe something like "Touro College, formally known as The Touro College and University System, is a private college"--something like that?   Anyway, thanks in advance! --Brnobaud (talk) 16:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, new comments go at the end of the Talk page (you can just click the + in the banner/ribbon at the top). I think what you are referring to is a different entity, which started off as just this one Touro school and then expanded, using that name and this college as the flagship. As such, this article seems to exclusively be about the singular school in New York, not the parent company. JesseRafe (talk) 16:18, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Edits I Would Like to Suggest

message: What are some of the negatives of this school? 
This article reads like an advertisement.
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.55.122.99 (talk) 23:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Critique of article

message: I work for Rubenstein and Touro is a client of ours. To mitigate any conflict of interest, I only corrected content that was factually inaccurate: the name of the Dean was misspelled and there were inaccuracies in the History section. If there are any questions/concerns to my actions, please discuss on my talk page. Brycetom (talk) 15:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual Updates 

message: This article reads as if it were copied directly from Touro's catalog.  (As a matter of fact, a vast swath was copied from here.  I've fixed that.)  A major cleanup is required. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:42, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: The story in this section seems more like a scandal than a controversy. Would anyone object to renaming this section to something more specific, given that is is one specific incident being described? 140.254.70.33 (talk) 15:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have something specific in mind? I agree that controversy may not be the best title for that section. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 01:30, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy?

message: Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.touro.edu/assessment/institutional/instMGO.pdf, http://web.archive.org/web/20041211225329/http://www.touro.edu/general/about.asp, https://www.touro.edu/departments/tc-press/about/ and https://tourocom.touro.edu/news--events/press-releases/middletown-grand-opening-9414.php. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you.  Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:13, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just removed yet more stuff copy-pasted from the website of the college – his time from https://www.touro.edu/about/our-history/. Please do not copy material from that website into Wikipedia. Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:28, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet again, this time from http://time.com/money/4853047/touro-college-value-students-beat-odds/ and https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/touro-college-10142. This has to stop, so I'll be requesting a block if there's any more of it. , I'm afraid I've swept away some of your edits; as far as I can see they were only to material that has now been removed; but sorry anyway. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:55, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: At least one major contributor to this article appears to have a close personal or professional connection to the topic, and thus to have a conflict of interest. Conflict-of-interest editors are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes on the talk page (i.e., here). You can attract the attention of other editors by putting  (exactly so, with the curly parentheses) at the beginning of your request, or by clicking the link on the lowest yellow notice above. Requests that are not supported by independent reliable sources are unlikely to be accepted. 
Please also note that our Terms of Use state that "you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation." An editor who contributes as part of his or her paid employment is required to disclose that fact.  Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict of interest 

message: The reason I want to contribute to the discussion about this page is that there are two distinct parts to the Touro College family.
The original school and all other later schools in New York are only called Touro College. They are a part of the larger Touro College and University System. But that came later when they acquired schools outside New York State and added several Universities.
The New York schools are called just Touro College.
Should this distinction be made on the TCUS page?  And then the TC page removed?
Please advise.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharling (talk • contribs) 22:19, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I understand what you're asking, though I don't think I understand why. Is your contention that one of these pages should be deleted? Why not help and make it more clear how TC and TCUS should be separate, and detail that information on the relevant page(s)? Thanks! JesseRafe (talk) 22:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Guidelines Requested 

message: I've been trying to make edits and additions to this page, unsuccessfully. All my changes are reverted, and I'm now getting harassing and threatening messages. As is made clear in the history on this talk page, two editors, JesseRafe and Justlettersandnumbers, are monitoring this page and blocking people from editing it. I'm not sure what their motivation is, but it is not appropriate or constructive.
As one of them said in a note to me, "everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia." When I did that, however, I was told I "seemed to act as if you were the owner of the page." I was also told I had a clear conflict of interest and threatened with being blocked. 
Lillibetsy (talk) 14:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , please see . Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to this page are being blocked 

message: Here's an idea: how about being helpful and making corrections or additions as you see fit, so that the tag can be taken down? Wikipedia is owned by everyone, therefore all editors have a stake in making it the best it can be. Instead of flagging the page and reverting changes, how about using your extensive knowledge of Wiki protocol to improve it? Not sure what the point is of continually flagging this page, rather than addressing the perceived issues. No one is benefitting from this. Please put your efforts toward being constructive! Lillibetsy (talk) 14:51, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That's wonderful advice, please consider taking it. JesseRafe (talk) 14:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Every time I have made corrections and additions to try and bring the page up to standards so the tag can be removed, I'm told I have a conflict of interest (unfounded) and accused of plagiarism (ie: "this is copied from somewhere but I can't find where"--that's because I wrote it). From my standpoint, the flag should be taken down. There is sufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject, the citations are thorough, and there is no close connection/COI. You and others are the ones flagging it. If you have a problem with it, please fix it. I have tried. Lillibetsy (talk) 17:51, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: One problem is there are not strong sources about the school or the system, or enough material the distinguish the two. This article was pared down to solely be about the Touro College with that name and a separate article was written about the University System upon request. It is hard to find sufficient information to make needed improvements on both subject areas. The separate articles on the other affiliated schools are even worse. As to the COI, there have been MANY instances of COI editors editing on this page in the past. The template is backward looking, it describes the article as it exists currently. COI editors have edited it. That's a statement of fact. The puffery and weasel words can be removed, but the COI edits still happened. When a new editor suddenly shows up and one of the first things they do is remove the COI tag, that immediately is good cause to suspect that person has COI motivations. You're continued insistence and accusations is only solidifying the claim against you, not to mention you seem to have no interest in any other article on the encyclopedia, which suggests your interest is actually in Touro College, not improving Wikipedia, aka a conflict of interest. Like I said a few hours ago, "please put your efforts toward being constructive" is wonderful advice and I encourage you to heed those sage words. JesseRafe (talk) 18:15, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  To the users who keep flagging this article with maintenance templates 

message: I note a brand new user, whose name matches with the institution in a Google search but states she is not connected, is removing negative content such as the bribery scandal. I'm not suggesting sockpuppetry (WP:SOCK). Ifnord (talk) 20:33, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitewashing? 

message: I don't see how this can possibly be an independent reliable source – it seems to be just a company profile hosted on a different url: "Add a problem overview to your profile" ... "Our programs" ... "SOURCE: Self-reported by organization". I propose removing it; any objection? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:34, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  guidestar.org 

message: Add to the list of Affiliates after: TUI University,
* Moscow Touro University, Russia, Moscow  https://touro.ru/ Anna Obsokova (talk) 15:48, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Should only list notable (i.e. which have a WP page) institutions RandomCanadian (talk | contribs)  19:08, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2020