Talk:New Zealand men's national football team

message: Elo ranking is now 54  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.242.160 (talk) 16:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Elo ranking

message: Away strip is now blue and red, not all black. When I find out how I'll fix it Neil Leslie 10:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can give me a source on this I'll happily change it for you. However since the last time NZ played in away colours (@Fiji, on 17th October...they wore white in Port Vila) the strip was all blue, I'm leaving as it is for now. Gialloneri (talk) 15:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Haha, I just noticed the timestamp on your original comment...stupid me! ~~  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gialloneri (talk • contribs) 17:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Away strip 

message: I definitely beleive that 'New Zealand national soccer team' article should be merged with the 'All Whites' article.  The best course would to make the 'All Whites' page a redirect to NZ Nat team page I beleive. -ML
I don't think so, because the 'New Zealand national soccer team' doesn't explain the origins of the white strip.
The 'All Whites' and 'New Zealand national soccer team' are exactly the same team so i dont see why they shouldnt be merged.
Concensus
I agree for the redirect, but the history of the white kit needs inclusion Ianguy 03:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the article All Whites to be a redirect, as suggested by ML earlier. Originally I was going to add text along the lines of "The term 'All Whites' sometimes also refers to Swansea RFC" at the top as a compromise, however it appears that the Swansea club officially uses the nickname "The Whites" instead of "All Whites", so no problemo. Gialloneri (talk) 12:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger of NZ Nat Team and All Whites

message: Does this team perform the Haka before matches? User:Drogo 15:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Neil Leslie 02:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haka 

message: I'm not sure speculation has a place in an encyclopedia article. - SimonLyall 09:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the sport is officially called football by the national governing body for the sport, I'd say yes. Gialloneri (talk) 15:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Likely First Choice Team? 

message: This player's link leads to an American Actor from the 1920's  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liioadin (talk • contribs) 23:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Pritchett Mislinked 

message: I notice that some squad members are listed next to the names of teams they're on loan to, others against teams they're on loan from. Some consistency would be nice either way - which is normally done with other similar articles? Grutness...wha? 21:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players on loan 

message: /* Notable players */ So that there is no confusion about his allegiance. Rory Fallen has not applied in the 2004 window for change of allegiance for over 21s and so he can never be available for NZ. Since this is about the New Zealand Football Team. He does not deserve a mention under the NZ notable players. He lost his opportunity.Topsaint (talk) 12:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we please get a reference on this ? I haven't seen anything official regarding his status, the last word out in the media (that I've seen) being that Ricki was still trying to find a way to get around that rule. However I agree in leaving him off the list until he actually pulls on the silver fern, if ever (though as you've suggested this won't happen). The reference would be for his player page, but I'm asking on this talk page since you brough it up and to expose it to people in the know who have this page on their watchlist. Cheers! Gialloneri (talk) 14:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think he's pretty notable now :) All together now: "One shot from Rory..."! Grutness...wha? 23:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rory Fallon

message: I am going to remove McGlinchey off the page. He has not applied before his 21st birthday on the 7th Jan 2008 for change of allegiance according to a fan who contact Graham Seatter and Chris Killen and posted his findings. http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4235&KW=McGlinchey&PID=138559#138559 . I think this is genuine. If anything to suggest otherwise please list the reference here but until he actually pulls on the silver fern or the rampant lion or even on tour with either, then he's not on. There has been no talk of him in any team, He would certainly be available for the Oly-Whites because he is good enough for us as a U23. But nothing is seen so everything is seems to be true. Topsaint 19:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing Michael McGlinchey

message: I have made the following changes to the notable players list based on the following:
*= Ken Armstrong - keep, hall of fame
:- Leo Bertos - delete, current player, nothing especial, 21 caps
:- Christian Bouckenooghe - delete, current player, nothing especial, 38 caps
:- Jeremy Brockie - delete, current player, nothing especial, 7 caps
:- Tim Brown - delete, current player, nothing especial, 13 caps
*= Vaughan Coveny - keep, record goalscorer, record a-international caps
:- Raf de Gregorio - delete, nothing especial, 23 caps
*= Simon Elliott - keep 50+ caps (pending verification)
*= Ceri Evans - keep 50+ caps
*= Adrian Elrick - keep 50+ caps
:- Danny Hay - delete, current player, nothing especial, 13 caps
:- Noah Hickey - delete, nothing especial, 31 caps
*= Bill Hume - keep, multi international
*= Chris Jackson - keep 50+ caps
:- Chris James - delete, nothing especial, 8 caps
:- Chris Killen - delete, nothing especial, 26 caps
:- Tony Lochhead - delete, nothing especial, 16 caps
:- Glen Moss - delete, current player, nothing especial, 13 caps
:- David Mulligan - delete, nothing especial, 19 caps
:- Ryan Nelsen - delete, current player, nothing especial, 28 caps
:- Steven Old - delete, nothing especial, 12 caps
:- Duncan Oughton - delete, nothing especial, 21 caps
:- Mark Paston - delete, nothing especial, 16 caps
*= Wynton Rufer - keep, Oceania Player of Century
*= Steve Sumner - keep, hall of fame, scorer in WC finals
*= Brian Turner - keep, hall of fame
*= Frank van Hattum - keep, Oceania GK of Century runner-up,
*= Ivan Vicelich - keep 50+ caps
:- Colin Walker - delete, nothing especial, 34 caps
*= Billy Walsh - keep, multi international
*= Steve Wooddin - keep, scorer in WC finals
*= Chris Zoricich - keep, 50+ caps
**+Michael McGarry - add, 50+ caps
**+Duncan Cole - add, 50+ caps
**+Ricki Herbert - add, 50+ caps, NZ manager
I have worked on 50+ caps (full A-Internationals) as small back-water like NZ didn't historically play as many as real world countries. I realise some may disagree, but it really needed doing. Many of the players noted were pretty non-notable in the scheme of things, and only probably appeared because of recentism, rather than any notability criteria. At least now there is less POV and more basis of fact in their inclusions--ClubOranjeTalk 11:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, well done. It's good to be bold. However, I think you should add back Chris Killen and Ryan Nelson as they have achieved, at the club level, what no Kiwi has done before. Minfo (talk) 13:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - it's needed a prune for a while, but both Nelsen and Killen belong on the list if they're not listed in the current squad. I'd also add Grant Turner (71 caps) and Kenny Cresswell (64 caps). Grutness...wha? 00:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I umm'ed and ah'ed about Nelson and couldn't decide. Was only going to include him because he is well know mostly through his Blackburn situation, but does that really qualify him as notable from a NZ national team standpoint? Simply being professional is not significantly notable - if it were, nearly every internatuional on the planet would end up in the notable players list. ditto Killen. Grant Turner has 71 appearances, but only 42 caps where caps are A-internationals - the others being against non-international competition (Bournmouth, S'hampton, nz selections etc., similarly Kenny Cresswell with only 33 true caps. (something I am slowly working through with NZ players at the moment as part of an article improvement drive)--ClubOranjeTalk 01:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, good point about Turner and Cresswell - their articles listed them all as caps, IIRC (wither that or I misread "appearances" as meaning full caps). Still think that the prominence of both Nelsen and Killen is enough though. It's good to have a distinct criterion like caps/hall of fame, but the media coverage of these two is probably enough to warrant their addition. Grutness...wha? 03:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable players 

message: All results from table above will be on this list.
Team                   	First Played	P 	W 	D 	L 	F  	A
                       	1922        	62	13	11	38	69 	150
                       	1927        	6 	1 	1 	4 	5  	15
                       	1927        	4 	0 	0 	0 	9  	24
                       	1951        	24	13	1 	10	51 	41
Used to be New Hebrides	1951        	11	10	0 	1 	53 	10
                       	1951        	34	26	4 	4 	103	23
                       	1952        	13	9 	2 	2 	41 	13
                       	1967        	7 	5 	1 	1 	13 	6
                       	1967        	1 	0 	0 	1 	1  	5
                       	1967        	12	8 	2 	2 	28 	9
                       	1969        	8 	1 	1 	6 	5  	16
                       	1972        	8 	2 	4 	2 	9  	8
                       	1973        	2 	0 	0 	2 	0  	6
                       	1973        	2 	0 	1 	1 	0  	3
                       	1975        	11	6 	2 	3 	13 	10
                       	1975        	1 	0 	1 	0 	1  	1
                       	1976        	2 	1 	1 	0 	3  	1
                       	1976        	3 	1 	2 	0 	6  	4
                       	1977        	12	10	2 	0 	38 	3
                       	1979        	3 	2 	0 	1 	4  	2
                       	1980        	5 	5 	0 	0 	22 	3
                       	1980        	1 	1 	0 	0 	4  	0
                       	1980        	4 	1 	1 	2 	8  	7
                       	1980        	7 	1 	1 	5 	3  	10
                       	1980        	1 	0 	0 	1 	0  	3
                       	1981        	1 	0 	1 	0 	0  	0
                       	1981        	1 	0 	0 	1 	0  	1
                       	1981        	4 	3 	0 	1 	5  	4
                       	1981        	8 	3 	1 	4 	14 	14
                       	1982        	3 	0 	0 	3 	2  	6
                       	1982        	2 	0 	1 	1 	3  	6
                       	1982        	1 	0 	0 	1 	0  	3
                       	1982        	3 	0 	0 	3 	0  	10
                       	1983        	1 	1 	0 	0 	2  	0
                       	1983        	1 	0 	1 	0 	1  	1
                       	1987        	2 	2 	0 	0 	19 	0
                       	1991        	2 	0 	0 	2 	0  	3
                       	1995        	4 	0 	1 	3 	2  	8
                       	1995        	1 	0 	0 	1 	1  	2
                       	1995        	1 	0 	0 	1 	2  	3
                       	1995        	2 	0 	1 	1 	2  	9
                       	1996        	5 	3 	1 	1 	6  	4
                       	1996        	1 	0 	0 	1 	2  	3
                       	1996        	1 	0 	1 	0 	1  	1
                       	1997        	1 	0 	0 	1 	0  	3
                       	1997        	3 	2 	0 	1 	16 	2
                       	1999        	2 	0 	0 	2 	0  	2
                       	1999        	2 	0 	1 	1 	1  	2
                       	1999        	2 	0 	0 	2 	2  	4
                       	1999        	1 	0 	0 	1 	0  	2
                       	2000        	1 	0 	0 	1 	1  	2
                       	2001        	1 	1 	0 	0 	2  	0
                       	2002        	2 	0 	1 	1 	3  	4
                       	2003        	1 	0 	0 	1 	1  	3
                       	2003        	1 	0 	0 	1 	0  	5
                       	2006        	1 	1 	0 	0 	3  	1
                       	2007        	1 	0 	0 	1 	0  	4
                       	2007        	1 	0 	0 	1 	0  	5
                       	2007        	1 	0 	1 	0 	2  	2
Would it be worthwhile aso having a "% won" column,or is this table format sdtandardised across all national football team articles? Grutness...wha? 00:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: All Time record

message: The information starting from FIFA World Cup and up to & including All Time Record is a great source of information, but I feel it clutters up the page and makes it seem less like an encyclopedia article and more like a database. How does everyone else feel about having all of this information on New Zealand national football team results, with some information (heavily abridged) remaining on the main page? Gialloneri (talk) 22:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical results & statistics 

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message: Beneath the current squad there is a not "Caps and goals accurate as of (date)" with a reference provided as . However, these caps and goals are not accurate in the sense that they are all appearances for the All Whites including unofficial internationals against club sides and select XIs. 2 other sources I know of for finding the information are Ultimate NZ Soccer which is accurate but lags behind a little, and RSSSF which is a better source but also lacks up to date info.
An example: Campbell Banks, listed by NZFootball as having 6 caps and 2 goals can bee seen at
RSSSF to have played 6 matches in 2006, but only 3 were full internationals - 1 against Malaysia and 2 against Chile. The other 3 games were against Charlton, Blackburn and Sevilla which do not count as full internationals for infobox statistics purposes. This is also borne out by  Jeremy Ruane's] site which lists full line-ups overall stats and goals. 
Vicelich is listed by NZ football as having his debut against Denmark U-23, also not a full international.--ClubOranjeT 08:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caps and Goals 

message: Is this for real or just a joke?
Also, "Their are no blacks"?! Someone check this, please.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.101.46.203 (talk) 04:37, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If it were a whites-only team, would Heremaia Ngata have been a former captain? It's vandalism, pure and simple. Grutness...wha? 02:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Their are no blacks or persons of other races permitted to join hence the name "all Whites"" 

message: Im suggesting a new section or paragraph in the development section devoted to the van Hattum family and their contributions to the sport. Im just wondering whether this is worthy enough for this page and what everyone else thinks about it. These are the basic reasons below:
· Fritz van Hattum came to NZ in 1952 and pretty much introduced football to Taranaki. 
· Marie-Jose Cooper and Grazia Macintosh (daughters of Fritz) played for the womens all whites team
· Frank van Hattum, Son of Fritz and Brother of Marie-Jose and Grazia played for NZ 28 times including all three world cup matches in Spain, 1982. In 2008 he also became Chairman of NZF and has transformed it into what it is today (it was virtually bankrupt in 2008 and now were in the World Cup). Theres more to this recovery which is actually pretty spectacular but ill have to find some supporting articles.
O for Awesome (talk) 06:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nicolas van Hattum, grandson of Frits (typically spelt with a "s" not a "z", he's Dutch, not German) won the Chatham Cup with Wellington Olympic in 2009. However, I'm not sure this would really be the right page for it - this should really only have significant things directly related to the national side. Perhaps there is another page where it would be a suitable addition, Soccer in New Zealand or something similar maybe. --ClubOranjeT 10:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: here is his life membership thing with Frits' common name - that newspaper article proofreader must have been bleary eyed that day.--ClubOranjeT 10:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Yeah, really! As another aside, Nick's father Maarten was a losing finalist in 1989 with Rotorua City. --ClubOranjeT 09:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of New Section 

message: Is it worth adding in the names of All Whites internationals who have also represented New Zealand at the highest level at other sports (e.g., Vic Pollard)? If so,  List of New Zealand double-international sportspeople shows five names that should be there. Grutness...wha? 02:42, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think probably not, notable player section should mention those most notable for football acheivements.  List of New Zealand international footballers does note their other sports representations, and that is linked from the "see also" section.--ClubOranjeT 06:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable players again 

message: Just wondering why the wins are coloured blue in all the match summary box things. On this page and the results page. Wouldnt it make more sense if it were green? Since red equals a loss and yellow a draw O for Awesome (talk) 04:36, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Match Colours 

message: Manager                   	From	To     	Record                                                                                                                                             	Record	Record	Record	Record	Honours
Manager                   	From	To     	G                                                                                                                                                  	W     	D     	L     	Win % 	Honours
Ken Armstrong             	1957	1964   	                                                                                                                                                   	      	      	      	      	
Ljubiša Broćić (1st Spell)	1965	1966   	                                                                                                                                                   	      	      	      	      	
Juan Schwanner            	1967	1968   	                                                                                                                                                   	      	      	      	      	
Ljubiša Broćić (2nd Spell)	1969	1969   	                                                                                                                                                   	      	      	      	      	
Barrie Truman             	1970	1976   	                                                                                                                                                   	      	      	      	      	
Wally Hughes              	1977	1978   	                                                                                                                                                   	      	      	      	      	
John Adshead (1st Spell)  	1979	1982   	1980 OFC Nations Cup – Group Stage1982 FIFA World Cup – Group Stage                                                                                	      	      	      	      	
Allan Jones               	1983	1984   	1983 Trans-Tasman Cup – Winners                                                                                                                    	      	      	      	      	
Kevin Fallon              	1985	1988   	1986 Trans-Tasman Cup – Runners-up1987 Trans-Tasman Cup Winners1988 Trans-Tasman Cup – Runners-up                                                  	      	      	      	      	
John Adshead (2nd Spell)  	1989	1989   	                                                                                                                                                   	      	      	      	      	
Ian Marshall              	1990	1993   	1991 Trans-Tasman Cup – Runners-up                                                                                                                 	      	      	      	      	
Bobby Clark               	1994	1995   	1996 OFC Nations Cup – Third Place1995 Trans-Tasman Cup – Runners-up                                                                               	      	      	      	      	
Keith Pritchett           	1996	1997   	                                                                                                                                                   	      	      	      	      	
Joe McGrath               	1997	1998   	                                                                                                                                                   	      	      	      	      	
Ken Dugdale               	1998	2002   	1998 OFC Nations Cup – Winners1999 FIFA Confederations Cup – Group Stage2000 OFC Nations Cup – Runners-up                                          	      	      	      	      	
Mick Waitt                	2002	2004   	2002 OFC Nations Cup – Winners2003 FIFA Confederations Cup – Group Stage2003 AFC – OFC Challenge Cup – Runners-up2004 OFC Nations Cup – Third Place	      	      	      	      	
Ricki Herbert             	2005	Present	2008 OFC Nations Cup – Winners2009 FIFA Confederations Cup – Group Stage2010 FIFA World Cup – Group Stage2012 OFC Nations Cup – Third Place        	      	      	      	      	
I have created this table based on the managers but these matches are FIFA (capped) matches only with honours. I have some articles which I will put on the talk page soon. Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:50, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: New Zealand Managers Table

message: This is want I want to put on the article. This is a tidier and the table are more organised. This I hope will be on the page. Mr Hall of England (talk) 21:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Records

message: OFC Nations Cup record	OFC Nations Cup record	OFC Nations Cup record	OFC Nations Cup record	OFC Nations Cup record	OFC Nations Cup record	OFC Nations Cup record	OFC Nations Cup record	OFC Nations Cup record
Year                  	Round                 	Position              	                      	                      	                      	                      	                      	
1973                  	Champions             	1st                   	5                     	4                     	1                     	0                     	13                    	4
1980                  	Group Stage           	5th                   	3                     	1                     	0                     	2                     	7                     	8
1996                  	Third Place           	3rd                   	2                     	0                     	1                     	1                     	0                     	3
1998                  	Champions             	1st                   	4                     	4                     	0                     	0                     	11                    	1
2000                  	Runners-up            	2nd                   	4                     	3                     	0                     	1                     	6                     	3
2002                  	Champions             	1st                   	5                     	5                     	0                     	0                     	23                    	2
2004                  	Third Place           	3rd                   	5                     	3                     	0                     	2                     	17                    	5
2008                  	Champions             	1st                   	6                     	5                     	0                     	1                     	14                    	5
2012                  	Third Place           	3rd                   	5                     	3                     	1                     	1                     	8                     	7
Total                 	Champions             	9/9                   	39                    	28                    	3                     	8                     	99                    	38
Mr Hall of England, the idea was to wait until we have some sort of consensus here among the regular editors of this page as to which they would prefer. At the moment it is your word against mine in terms of what looks and works better which has only led to an editing war.
Your changes to the Managers table are actually quite good so that should stay. However, your other additions and layout changes do not help with the ease of reading or aesthetic quality at all. Eg. There is absolutely no need to include the World Cups that NZ never entered into, nor the future World Cups where qualification has not begun. Same applies to the Confederations Cup table. It is pointless information that takes up space for no reason.
The OFC Nations Cup table also looks messy and squashed, and also includes two columns that deliver the same information; 'Round' and 'Position'.
I am not against your addition of the squads and managers to the World cup and Confederation Cup tables, however, I don't think it is the appropriate place to put those links.
Please refrain from repeatedly making these changes until we can come to an agreement. O for Awesome (talk) 21:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: OFC Nations Cup

message: Recently Mr Hall of England changed the Results and fixtures section in this edit. It was the second time he reverted my edit of the section, so I wanted to discuss it. I personally thin this version best suits the article. I don't think there is reason to have the results from the last 8 years on this article when there is a dedicated article (New Zealand national football team results) on the subject. I think displaying the direct past years results and current years results (i.e. currently 2012 and 2013) is sufficient for the purpose of the article, and if the reader wishes for information on prior results, there is a link displayed for that.--2nyte (talk) 15:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this. The last two or three years is all that is needed on this page, or the current World Cup cycle at the most (which would range from 2012-2014 this time around). Football match boxes also display the information much more appropriately and cleanly and it is in keeping with all other football articles. O for Awesome (talk) 00:47, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results and fixtures section 

message: That 'White Noise' piece is a bit overblown. White Noise is the effort of a few people connected to the Wellington Phoenix supporters' club. It's not representative of All Whites fans at all. 
Thoughts?
Edwina Jones (talk) 16:02, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that the text was not supported by the source referenced. Removed. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 16:20, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I must disagree Edwina Jones and Ryk72, considering the group has their own section at games and is clearly backed by NZ Football its self, there should be a section in the article on them. You can find a number of references to them (and that was just a quick google of recent articles). Sure the group is run by people from the Yellow Fever, but that is how groups work. Someone needs to run it, but then others buy their tickets in the zone to join in. I believe there should be something added back in. NZFC(talk) 20:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  White Noise 

message: In Australia and New Zealand, association football is called soccer (as well as in the US, Japan, South Africa, Canada, Papua New Guinea, etc). And the article Australian national football team, the term soccer is used. So I think we should on the New Zealand article too, because whether the Football Federation calls it that or not, people call it soccer to distinguish it from other codes of football (i.e rugby and AFL). Any thoughts? Plophead12345 (talk) 07:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's football in NZ and has been since May 2007. The national organisation is called NZ football. All the regional organisations are football Capital Football (New Zealand), Central Football (New Zealand), Auckland Football Federation Northern Football Federation. While some people may still use soccer as a form of distinguishing the difference to what sport they are talking about. Officially it's been Football for a while now. — NZFC(talk)(cont) 07:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What do parents, newspapers, sports television and radio call the sport? Official names have little to do with popular usage. FIFA has been pressuring people to drop soccer in favour of football. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's soccer in NZ