Talk:Tricia Tanaka Is Dead

message: While this page, and all the other episode guides for that matter, are very good and detailed, i think there is problem with a lot of personal observations about the episode. "where is all this tarp coming from anyway" for example. There a plenty of websites for that kind of thing. Wikipedia is not one of them--Irishboi 16:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Comments 

message: Just thought I'd start what will undoubtedly be a massive thread on this episode.  
For starters...the gasoline would have likely evaporated or dripped out of what would be a VERY rusted fuel tank, given exposure to South Pacific elements.  
Next, the oil.  Sludge would be a better term for what would be flowing in the engine block.
Third, the tires.  Even top of the line radials (which those didn't appear to be) would have rotted into rubber bands after a decade or so of 90 F. temperatures and 90% humidity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.190.146.200 (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2007
:Good job it's just a TV series then eh? Tumples 01:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably also worth mentioning that such debates should be reserved for Lost fan sites rather than Wikipedia. I sound like a right miserable sod, I know, but there you go. --ShizuokaSensei 07:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons Why The VW Microbus Wouldn't Start After 20 Years 

message: Please read and familiarise yourself with the guidlines for writing about fiction. The current article is an perfect example of an in-universe plot walk through of the kind to be avoided on Wikipedia. Any article on this, or any other Lost episode should offer "real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot." --ShizuokaSensei 13:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An in-universe plot walk-through is against Wiki Manuals of Style 

message: In Trivia section:
:"Since Hurley's discovery of the car in this episode, it has not appeared in any subsequent episodes to date."
Two things: 1) If using the phrase "to date", one should cite the date they are speaking of, e.g. "as of 3 May 2007". And 2) Is this even significant?  Fieryrogue 20:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: I've removed the paragraph referencing the episode 'The Man Behind the Curtain', where the van is shown again. It spoiled that episode's plot big time. I know there's a spoiler warning, but that should really only count for this episode and the ones before it. Anybody following Lost should be able to use wikipedia as an episode guide, without fear of having the episodes he hasn't seen yet spoiled. In short back-spoilers, but no forward spoilers. At least, that's my opinion. risk 21:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't need to go out of the way to avoid spoiling an episode for someone (especially since the episode has already aired). That information is relevant and encyclopedic, it should be included. I'm putting it back.--Cúchullain t/c 00:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main problem is the plot run-through neither contextualises the fictional nature of the work nor focuses on discussing the work. It's still simply a reiteration of the plot, (and not a very well written one at that). ShizuokaSensei 09:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a separate problem, I think, though one that needs to be taken care of. Yes, the plot summary is a plot summary rather than analysis, and yes it is too long and not particularly well written, but the item we were referring to was not.--Cúchullain t/c 02:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  I think we do. This makes the wikipedia episode list useless as an episode guide. If I've watched Lost up to this episode, I may be interested in some extra information, but the fact that Ben killed his own father is a bombshell that needs to fall in the right place in the series. The whole idea of the connection between this episode and "the man behind the curtain" is the unexpected explanation of the van. I we start spoiling thing in this way, nobody that's still watching a show can use wikipedia as an episode guide, and that's probably more than fifty percent oft he current audience. The episode may have aired in the US, but there are plenty of places in the world where it hasn't. There are also people watching shows on DVD, or downloading from places like iTunes. If the information is that important, put it in the 'man behind the curtain article'. Spoilers should be taken very seriously, all of them. risk 02:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From WP:SPOILER: "Concerns about spoilers should play no role in decisions about the structure or content of an article..." Wikipedia is not here as an episode guide, or a collection of plot summaries, it's an encyclopedia.--Cúchullain t/c 04:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're right, this shouldn't be discussed here. I've started a discussion about this on the talk page for that guideline, if you're interested. risk 12:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we all agree on that.--Cúchullain t/c 15:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: So would you agree with spoiling the end of Return of the King in the Fellowship of the Ring article? I don't know why we just can't reference that its significant in other episodes without going into massive detail.--CyberGhostface 19:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with including all relevant information in any article. Spoiling the ending for someone should be about the least of our concerns.--Cúchullain t/c 22:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, by using that logic, should we reveal the ending to The Brig in the guide for Confidence Man? The article isn't about the car. We don't need to give its entire history. Stating that it makes another appearence in two later episodes is more than enough--CyberGhostface 22:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First, this isn't a "guide", it's an encyclopedia article. If something in one episode is relevant to another episode, it should be included, whether or not it contains "spoilers". I believe I pointed out the WP:SPOILER guideline above.--Cúchullain t/c 23:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But is this an article about the car itself? No? Then why do we need its entire history about it and all its subsequent appearences? Are we going to say how Locke is crippled in the article for Walkabout since it deals with him being crippled? Are we going to say that Sawyer kills the man who conned his family in the episode that introduces that subplot? After all, those are probably more relevant to the plot than Hurley driving the car.--CyberGhostface 01:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That objection is more reasonable than the spoiler argument. Clearly I think it's relevant, or I wouldn't have added it. An article on any episode of any show, especially one like Lost, should include information on its place in the context of the show. You wouldn't expect an article on the Illiad to exclude information about its place in Greek literature and mythology simply because it makes up only a part of the Epic Cycle. Of course, others may disagree that the info I added is particularly relevant, but it should not be excluded if the only objection is that it spoils the ending for some hypothetical reader who expected this to be just a plot summary.--Cúchullain t/c 21:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its relevant to the car's history, but not the episode's. And if we were to ever make an article for it (I think Lostpedia has one) or include a section for it in another Lost article, it would be relevant to include its entire history. But I don't think its necessary to outline the entire car's history in the article for its first episode unless we were to explain all the subplots in their original episodes.--CyberGhostface 22:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The car is quite important to this episode. And the information isn't just about the car, it also explains the origin of Roger's skeleton, for one, and demonstrates that the car is important to other episodes. But at any rate, this article has much bigger problems to deal with.--Cúchullain t/c 04:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference to 'The Man Behind the Curtain'

message: I think it's very important to note, when talking about Lost on Wikipedia, that weird and impossible stuff -has- happened. Saying 'A long abandoned car started' on an episode of ER would be silly. Not so silly on 'Lost' where people heal like the dickens and survive plane crashes where they should have been pulped.
I don't mean to be a jerk, it's just something that I think should be kept in mind.
Lots42 02:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost Articles In General 

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replies: text: This no longer applies.  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 05:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Hurleyvan.jpg

message: Sources 1 & 2 currently lead to dead/defunct pages on other sites. Should anything be done about this? Also I don't even see the purpose of source 1 referencing back to the podcast as that information is available in many other places. Congested (talk) 09:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

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