Talk:Freshmen (magazine)

message: The fact that the magazine's 'freshman of the year' is CITED in several other articles (such as Billy Brandt) is proof that the magazine has a major impact in the field.Ryoung122 11:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Being #1 in its field establishes prima-facie notability

message: I find it highly offensive that some have chosen to delete this multiple times, misusing the 'speedy delete' power, without so much as a discussion. In fact, I was NOT the 'only person' to have created this page. However, how can we know with repeated blankings? I should note that this is a mainstream-gay-porn magazine, probably #1 in its genre...08:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Blanking a talk page is NOT a discussion

message: I will be requesting a 'deletion review' in this case.Ryoung122 08:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting a 'Deletion Review'

message: Greetings,
This article has existed in the past and apparently has been 'controversial' to some, although in reality it is a mainstream-gay-porn magazine and generally recognized as #1 in the sub-field of 'young men' (its older companion magazine, 'Men', is #1 overall). Perhaps the controversy stems from people searching for articles on 'freshmen' and chancing upon this article by accident. It should be noted, however, that the rationale for inclusion on Wikipedia is not self-promotion or advertising. Sometimes, a mainstream-media case (like the Timothy J. Boham murder mystery) will result in a 'crossover' of interest. However, the main rationale for the article is the same rationale for ANY Wikipedia article: to provide a quick-reference answer to a question that any inquistive reader would like to know, namely 'What's that'? Surely most non-gay persons haven't heard of it, but it is one of the top 1,000 magazines in the English-speaking world in terms of circulation.
Consider, for a moment, that several of the porn stars featured in this magazine's 'Freshmen of the Year' contest have gone on to fame (Roman Heart) or infamy (Marcus Allen). Thus the magazine is notable for more than one reason.
We can also check and find that there are articles on magazines that are much more obscure than this one. Just check the list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pornographic_magazines
Thus, we have a track record of these articles existing and no reason for deletion other than vague comments such as 'the website doesn't assert notability.'
Some that have suggested this be deleted have stated that the website itself doesn't assert 'notability'. That's not what those web sites are there for; they are there to sell magazines. However, Wikipedia's interest should not be in what assertions of notability are made or not made, but how the article relates to third-party interaction. I note it appears in over 21,000 Google hits (even using "Freshmen Magazine"). I myself found the article, not start the article.
I am re-creating the article because it appears the prior deletions were made without an informed discussion. I am all for 'consensus-building' but deleting something without informing anyone is hardly an attempt at building consensus.Ryoung122 11:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reasons for Article Restoration

message: This has been deleted in the past via speedy A7. However, this is a printed publication not a website, and speedy does not apply to magazines per WP:CSD. (Nor does D4, except after an XfD), If anyone wants to delete it, please do not delete it out of process, but take it to AfD. DGG (talk) 12:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: But what the article needs is better sourcing--the notability depend on Gay.com, and the item there is a clear piece of public relations. Someone, somewhere, in some actual publication, needs to have talked about it. Possibly one of the sources talking about the notable models also talks about the magazine DGG (talk) 12:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: what is still needed

message: I just closed the DRV as moot - there is nothing to discuss. This version clearly asserts notability and there is no other clear csd that might apply. As this article has never been to AFD, I strongly advise any admin considering deleting this to take it there. I have performed a history undelete. Spartaz Humbug! 17:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DRV 

message: Checking some previous versions, it is interesting to note that the article was poorly written at one point. Comments like these below:
It is available in some major university libraries, including those at U.C.L.A., Cornell, Central CT State, and M.S.U.
Talk about understating things a bit!
Certainly didn't help. However, the article now better-states notability: it is #1 in its genre (young gay men). I note that this is actually a 'mainstream-porn' magazine; not the type of marginal publication such as "Barely Legal" (found at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch). This magazine is published by the same company that owns www.gay.com.Ryoung122 10:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anatomy of a Speedy

message: I'm surprised there's no Wikipedia article on Dick McKay...there's one in French:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_McKay
Ryoung122 05:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dick McKay

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