Talk:Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros

message: I really wish folks would post on discussion pages before renameing an article. I renamed it to Cardinal Cisneros for a reason, that is the name he is most commonly known by, because he has what, 10 different names? Now we have a situation with a lot of work required to fix the links coming into the page (see "What Links Here") no matter what happens (I had previously worked a bit to try and clean that up). Please discuss your reasoning before I change it back and go through the trouble of once again fixing disambigs and redirects.  Stbalbach 03:35, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article rename

message: In this article is correctly stated that Cardinal Cisneros changed his name during his lifetime. But there is a mistake in the name itself, which in the article is spelt "Gonzales", instead of the correct form "Gonzalo". In Spanish "González" is not a name, but a surname, a surname which means, precisely, "son of Gonzalo". "González" was used during centuries as a patronimic, before becoming a proper surname, but was never used as name. So the original name of the cardinal was Gonzalo Jiménez (or Ximénez in the original spelling)de Cisneros.
I would like to add that in modern Spanish (or more properly in Castilian and Galician)all surnames which mean "son of (personal name)", end with the letter "z", not with "s".  For example "Jiménez" (son of Jimeno), "Rodríguez" (son of Rodrigo), Pérez (son of Pedro), Velázquez (son of Velasco). The same surnames written with an "s" are not of castilian or galician origin, but portuguese: "Rodrigues", "Gonçales" or "Gonçalves".
For mor information you can consult "Diccionario de Apellidos Españoles", written by Roberto Faure Sabater, María Asunción Ribes Lafoz and Antonio García Sancho. You can find some information in www.robertofaure.com
:I was going by what the historical sources say. There may be a reason for the Gonzales spelling. I'll see what I can find. If you can show any sources that spell it as "Gonzalo" that would be helpful. Stbalbach 14:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I see now the Spanish Wikipedia uses Gonzalo as do other sites. Must be a translation error from EB1911, although could be older than that. Noted in the Notes. Stbalbach 15:04, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gonzalo/Gonzales/González 

message: This article needs proper footnoting. I suspect much or most of it is from the 1911 EB, but what exactly is from that source should be indicated, particularly with regard to the bits that sound more like anecdotal hagiography than encyclopedia-worthy material. If the passages discussing, for instance, his legendary asceticism are not from the EB, they really do need a footnote citing the source or they should be significantly abbreviated/paraphrased. There are just a few sources listed in the "References" section, which could be improved. (Oddly, some are not cited in the article itself.) Cheers, Moises de la vera (talk) 17:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Except for a few things it appears to be a modern re-write of the EB1911 article. This is not unusual on Wikipedia many such articles were imported wholesale and modernized. The way to handle it is say so in the notes but not add the same footnote for every sentence of the article which is redundant and makes it hard to read. Green Cardamom (talk) 23:49, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: References (Improve inline citations)

message: Las Casas references Cisneros in his work, and it would perhaps be fitting to include some of that material in this article, since it dealt with the conquest of the Americas (where the Spanish established themselves).Studyhard12 (talk) 02:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dealings with "las indias" 

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message: Why is his Ximénez lastname being supressed? 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:DE3:5BDE:404D:8DC1 (talk) 00:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  His lastname is Ximénez