Talk:Hispanic/Archive 1

message: puting people in the same group because they speak the same language? Should the french speakers of Africa be in the same group as the French?
and why is it being used racialy? the majority of mexico is Amerindian while the people of spain are Nordic and Mediterranean which are all European/white groups. Robwi 14:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What you just wrote is quite inaccurate. 60% of the population of Mexico is thoroughly mixed. Why can't the French speakers of Africa be in the same group as the French? Francophone means French-speaking. --Deepstratagem 11:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the point of this, anyway? 

message: There is false information on this site. The word Hispanic does not derive from the word Hispania. For the person doing the maintenance on this site please correct this site's historical error. The word Hispanic derives from the words "history" and "Spanish" they were used together to form "Hispanic". So if the person doing maintenance to this site cannot find the origin of how the word was made or cannot find a quote from the person responsible for making the word it would be responsible to take the etymology section out of the article. Please provide proof of the word origin, if not you are providing a made up history to the article. Marcelo 
:My friend... Your etymology is delirious! The word Hispanic derives from the word Hispania, as can be attested in an enormous multitude of sources and texts since 200 BC. The meaning the word Hispanic has in modern American-English is, however, quite a different issue. The Ogre 12:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because it is on TV, it doesn't mean it's right. You are right in that someone should produce some proof of the etymology. Here is one English online source link. This one has the etymology right, but only the U.S. definition link. The definition from the Spanish Academy that regulates the Spanish language in Spain agrees: link(enter hispano). Of all the dictionaries, this one should be right - and as it turns out, is consistent with the other two. All dictionaries say the etymology is from from latin Hispānus or Hispania. Since Hispania is derived from Hispānus (latin for Spaniard,) the article is correct. Deepstratagem 06:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: As a side note, I think the problem is that in the United States, Hispanic has a lot of negative connotations, while in Latin American countries it has very many positive connotations. For example, in the United States you hear about illegal immigration by Hispanics, while in Latin American countries being Hispanic (having Spanish roots) is considered an honor. So if you live in the United States, I can see why you don't like the way the word is used. I don't either. Deepstratagem 07:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Marcelo, the burden of evidence is now on you. The word has been around for centuries, so the U.S. government didn't "create" it. They did give it a new meaning, but the etymology remains the same. Deepstratagem 20:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I just presented the proof. That's why it is your turn to present some proof. If someone in the government thinks they created a word, it doesn't mean anything. What is that a proof of? It's proof that he invented a word that already existed or that he/she didn't know what he/she was doing. If the United States has a different etymology for the word Hispanic, then prove it, but just because the United States government invented a word, doesn't mean that Wikipedia has to acknowledge it. There are many people on Wikipedia who speak English from other countries: Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, France, Germany, Spain, U.K, Liberia, Canada, Belize, Guyana, Jamaica, Aruba, New Zealand, etc... So why is the etymology that you claim the census uses so important? Even if it was true, it got made up in the last 10 years, where the historical definition from Hispania has been around for centuries. Deepstratagem 19:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I already did prove you wrong. Look at the third link presented above. If you type hispano, you'll see the etymology by the Royal Spanish Academy. The word is derived from Hispania. If what you are trying to say is that the word isn't used very much in Latin America and Spain, then I agree with you. But if you are claiming that the U.S. government created the word, alone, and that it had never existed before, then give us a link to a dictionary or a journal article that agrees with you. Deepstratagem 23:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I didn't take the time to consider that. Good point. Deepstratagem 23:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical error on main page

message: What difference does it make? Spanish, Hispanic, Latino. Who cares? This is 2006 not 1506! These labels just go to show that racism is alive and well in the United States of America. What a shame! The Spanish word for Latin is Latín or Latino when used to identify countries wherer Latin-derived languages are used (as in Latinoamerica). That includes the Spanish, Portuguese and French speaking parts of the Americas and (to get technical) Portugal, Spain, Andorra, France, Italy and Romania. The word "Hispanic" means of or relating to Spain, it's people and or it's culture. Let's not forget the "Latins" were the ancestors of the Roman civilization! Finally we come to the word Spanish. It's an English word meaning the people of Spain collectively, their language and customs. No where do these words have racial connotations. They never have and they never should. Yes, race-mixing occurred and continues to occur south of the US border, but it also happens around the world. I came to the US from the Canary Islands 23 years ago and I am considered a Spaniard. My wife is an American of Puerto Rican descent. Physically, there's no difference between us to distinguish one nationality from the other. We even speak Spanish with very similar accents. I will tell you that in the Canary Islands we have remnants of the Guanches who where the aboriginals of the Canaries before the Spanish came. The Guanche heritage is in the rural parts but in the cities too. Many are indistinguishable from the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. After all, the Guanches were Berbers and they are in our blood. For the most part we have descendants of the Spanish colonists as well as Portuguese, French and recent British, Moroccan, Latin American and sub-Saharan African immigrants. Many of these people have intermarried with locals and obtain citizenship or go to other parts of Europe. Yes, there is some racism, but not to the level that exists in the United States. In the Canary Islands and most of Spain, there exist strong bonds between many Latin Americans not only by blood, but by culture, music, religion and language. Even if there is mixture with Indians or black Africans, we share a common link. The Spanish are not a pure race either. Anyway, I think that Americans should do away with racial and ethnic classification to end the stereotype and discrimination that so many people have to suffer. Besides, I have met many Americans who call themselves white and have Indian blood. How many white Americans have African blood and don't want to admit it? That shows how racist the American society is, even among the educated class. I hope that the young people of today can change the America of tomorrow so all can live together as one people. - Robert
People are so ignorant. Hispanic and Latino are terms that have evolved to mean anyone with entire or partial ancestry from a Spanish-speaking country, or someone born in a Spanish-speaking country, regardless of prior ancestry. Of course Hispanic and Latino once meant something different... so did the word "gay." Hispanics are not a race. We come in all shapes, colors, and sizes. What binds us is our language. Believe it or not, Spanish is a very unifying language. Even though I speak English and Spanish, I always feel "at home" when I'm around Spanish-speaking people, whether they're of Mexican, Cuban, Spanish, or Puerto Rican ancestry.
Why do you think the Latin Grammy's has celebrities from all the Spanish-speaking countries? There are black, white, mestizo, Asian, and Indian Hispanics. Why do you think Spanish celebrities feel "at home" in Mexico? And Mexican celebrities in Spain? On the other hand, the only English-speaking country I've ever felt "at home" in is the United States. 
Enough with the ignorance!
::Yes I agree with you in some points. I don't aprove this ghetto thing, "latino grammy award" for instance, i mean, it's all music, this is one of things that really ensickens me, always putting in a lower, different level, you only will be successful if you're american (as i see thousands of artists in brazil playing for 50 years and only known in here, and americans teens that badly play guitar been sold around the world like a drug, but that's not the point). i don't understand the census qualifying in WHITE/HISPANIC. there are WHITE HISPANICS, as matter of fact, spaniards ARE white, it should be qualified as ANGLO-SAXON/HISPANIC, then it would make sense. here in brazil there is no such thing (even if you think it's a laughable sentence if you believe everyone here is black and plays soccer). If you have spanish, portuguese, german or italian origins you're WHITE. if you're mixed you're mixed if you're black you're black and so on. but then if some brazilian or any other from iberian america (like people from uruguay, more than 90% are white) decides to give up helping the country and go to the USA live in a ghetto and work washing dishes you all of sudden are not WHITE anymore, you're HISPANIC, the anglo-saxons are white, even considering both of you are from european descent with no mix with other race. sadly even Heinrich Himmler knew the difference (though calling 'hispanics' Romans) but the USA does not. (yeah portuguese can be called hispanic cause portugual was inside Hispania, right?)
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Please add that Portuguese is Hispanic in the "Hispanic" article.  Thank you.  I do not speak alone, as the Portuguese Foundation supports this concept.  http://www.portuguesefoundation.org/gp_portuguese_americans.htm
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Please keep Hispanic and Latinos as separate, because they are!  Now, separation does not mean discrimination.  If you wish to not participate in separating yourselves from others, then don't inform others of your ethnicity.  But for some people, it is important to separate ourselves and be proud of our genetic and cultural heritage.  No one assigns your ethnicity except yourself.  If you grew up in a predominantly Asian community in Latin America, then you may feel and tell others you are Asian and not Latino.  So feel free to assign your own ethnicity, or not at all if you don't want to.
Now, Latinos refer to people who are identified culturally and/or genetically as people from Latin America (which by classic assignment, is parts of Central and South America including Brazil).  Latinos do not include Spanish, Portuguese.  Hispanics include Latinos, Spanish, and Portuguese.  That's the difference.  Some Filipinos are offended because they are classified as Asians instead of Pacific Islanders.  Classification is not to assign or discriminate, but to help others identify the culture you belong.  A Filipino is traditionally classified as both Asian and Pacific Islander.  If you don't want to be assigned, then we respect you to withhold your identification: "I'm an individual human being that is culturally diverse."  But please return the respect we give you when we wish to separate ourselves by proudly announcing our identification under certain traditional classifications.  I am Portuguese; I am Hispanic; and although I am proud that many countries uniquely contributed to this world/society, I still stand proud that my country has contributed in ways that others countries would not have without the existance of Portugal.  I am a proud Hispanic!
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you are right. you are hispanic. but you are latino also.
Lusitano Transmontano 06:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A note from Robert

message: What means Hispanic race?, Are we the people from Spain Hispanic?. What is the physical difference between Italians, Spanish and French for example?.
The Hispanic physical and cultural description is too much general. You can not put in the same place Spanish from Spain, and Hispanic from Latin America countries. It is like to speak about English speakers in Hong Kong and United Kingdom.
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I think it would be good for this article to include some information about the controversial use of hispanic as a physical description for police and news. Since it is an ethnic (cultural) description and contains no information about the physical (racial) appearance of someone.
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Actually, a small minority of Filipinos are of Spanish or part Spanish descent, and would probably identify as "Hispanic". Interestingly, not all Spanish descended people would identify as such, especially the Basque Nationalists.
Saying that people from Spain are not Hispanics is a non-sense.   "Hispanic" is a word that means "coming or related to Spain and Spanish culture". Every language uses that word that way.   ex: in French "les cultures hispaniques"   means "the Spanish or Spanish related cultures.", not related to Mexican or Guatemaltec cultures which are mostly native indian !!
It would be like excluding english people from "anglo-saxon" culture and considering Jamaican or Australian aboriginal culture as the anglo-saxon culture!!
It is the same for "latin" or "latino", these words mean "related and descent to roman culture", not "from South and Central America".
Of course Central and South America are included in the "latin" group because they have a Spanish, Portuguese and French heritage; but they don't represent all latins or latinos by themselves !!!!!!...  
American people usually forget that the "original" latins or latinos are Italians, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalans, Romanians, and some Belgians and Swiss people...
It has nothing to do with any race or any "physical" description of people.
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I live in a neighborhood that was once all upper middle-class whites, but now it's predominantly working-class Hispanic.  As a long-time resident of my city, I'm seeing the neighborhood detioriating quickly.  It's scary. And I'm also a complete sell out.
It seems to me that better terms for minority status would be Meso-American and South American not Hispanic or Latino. I agree with the article about Spanish people being classified as European Americans (or Europeans) not as a protected underclass. How is a Spanish person any more deserving of protection than say an Italian or Swede?
Hey, if hispanic means spanish, how come Mexicans and puerto ricans are considered Hispanic? that would be like me saying that I'm anglo just because I speak english,even though I am an American Indian, just goes to show you, what we consider politically correct, isn't always correct....
: Mexicans and Puerto Ricans generally consider themselves Hispanic because most are related to Spain by ancestry, regardless of whether they are also partly native American as well. In fact, the majority of Mexicans are mixed one way or another, and by technicality would be Hispanic. -ic turns nouns into relational adjectives. Hispanic is a relational adjective. You might say you are Anglic if you speak English and be technically correct. --Deepstratagem 11:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hispanic people 

message: Where do Portuguese speakers, like those from Brazil fit in? jengod 20:41, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
:::The Portuguese should not be confused with Hispanics, the old name of Portugal was Lusitania as Spain was Hispania, therefore the Portuguese are Lusos.
You are wrong. Hispania refered to the whole Iberian Peninsula. Lusitania was a province of Hispania. By the way, Lusitania comprised part of Spain and Portugal, the capital being Emerita Augusta, present-day Merida, in South-Western Spain.
Wrong.The governments usage of the word "Hispanic" is "Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America".Portuguese are not Hispanic.
Most Spanish-Mestizos in the Philippines consider themselves as Filipinos(Asians) and not Hispanics.
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If Brazilians don't speak Spanish, Brazilians are not hispanic. The same for Portuguese. That is the language criteria that appears to be the one adopted by American officials.
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RIGHT AND WRONG. RIGHT that it may be the case but it is WRONG. IBERO=HISPANO. The USA is ignorant and WRONG.
Lusitano Transmontano 06:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese

message: I very much disagree with the term Hispanic. I was sitting on the bus on day, and a lady asked a Spanish-speaking boy, who was clearly non-White. Are you Spanish? she asked. "No, the boy replied, I am Mexican". The woman then says: "I thought you were Spanish."
This is true and it goes to show that people cannot distinguish the difference between the Spain Spanish and the Mexican Spanish who are Native/white mixed. Also, Germans from Paraguay, Italians from Argentina, and Chinese from Costa Rica are considered Hispanic by the US. What a distorted image. Therefore, Hispanics cannot be the largest minority since they can be white/black/mulatto/asian. People cant consider a linguistic group a racial minority.
--(Originally Unsigned).24.226.10.98 17:44, 30 November 2005
: Clearly non-white? How can you tell? If the boy says he is Mexican, statistically speaking, he is probably Hispanic. The question, "Are you Spanish?" is clearly ambiguous. Spanish can refer to the nationality or the ancestry. Again, most Mexicans are mixed, and would therefore mean that the boy was probably Hispanic. But you are correct in saying a linguistic group isn't a racial minority except as questionably defined by some people in the U.S. --Deepstratagem 06:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Term "Hispanic"

message: ===Deleted two paragraphs=== 
I deleted the two paragraphs that describe how the term "hispano" is used in Latin America because it simply is not true.  "Hispano" in Spanish is used in reference to Spain.  The part that said that Latin Americans of Chinese ancestry are not considered "Hispanic" is nonsense because absolutely nobody considers him/herself "hispanic".  The term is simply not used.  It's a term used in the US and only in the US and this is very important to note in order to understand the issue.
Brazilians and Filipinos do not consider themselves either Hispanic or non-Hispanic.  The term is not used.  It's a US thing and can only be understood as such.
--Lupitaº 17:08, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. Throughout the Americas Latino is used in reference to Latino-American "nationality" whereas Hispanic is used in reference to the Spanish language or Spanish ancestry (which many - but not all - citizens of the Americas associate themselves with.) In the U.S. the words are used synonymously, but U.S. Americans are not the only English speakers in the world and it's unfair to propagate ill-defined words through Wikipedia by merging Latino and Hispanic. --Deepstratagem 12:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page edits 

message: I deleted the two paragraphs that describe how the term "hispano" is used in Latin America because it simply is not true.  "Hispano" in Spanish is used in reference to Spain.  The part that said that Latin Americans of Chinese ancestry are not considered "Hispanic" is nonsense because absolutely nobody considers him/herself "hispanic".  The term is simply not used.  It's a term used in the US and only in the US and this is very important to note in order to understand the issue.
Brazilians and Filipinos do not consider themselves either Hispanic or non-Hispanic.  The term is not used.  It's a US thing and can only be understood as such.
--Lupitaº 17:08, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted two paragraphs

message: Why would would we want to put the section on criticism of the term before we describe its history and use in the United States? This seems a bit odd. Tfine80 16:58, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al-Andalus and section organization 

message: Even though the terms may sometimes overlap in meaning, they are [b]not completely synonymous[/b]. So they're what? 99% synonymous? That sounds like a subsection not a whole seperate page. Ewlyahoocom 06:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. Throughout the Americas Latino is used in reference to Latino-American "nationality" whereas Hispanic is used in reference to the Spanish language or Spanish ancestry (which many - but not all - citizens of the Americas associate themselves with.) In the U.S. the words are used synonymously, but U.S. Americans are not the only English speakers in the world and it's unfair to propagate ill-defined words through Wikipedia by merging Latino and Hispanic. --Deepstratagem 12:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Latino 

message: This page is extremely poorly written and should be tagged.
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I agree. Take the following paragraph as an example:
:A very good example of classic Hispanic features are the Latin Asians or Filipinos, having brown and olive skin, Spanish speaking, and Latin in both culture and demeanor. The Americans through political machinations, military intervention, and, propaganda tried to eradicate Latin influence in Las Islas Filipinas (Philippine Islands) but failed. The Philippines (Filipinas) was a bastion of the Spanish Empire in the Far East, and it would be foolish to assume that more than three centuries of Spanish/Hispanic influence can be eradicated by the Americans in 45 years. At present there is a strong Hispanic orientation in Filipinas specially among the younger generations of Filipinos, rediscovering their Latin roots.To this day, Spanish, Hispanic, or, Latin influence is strong in Filipinas, and no one can refute the fact that Filipinas is a member of Union Latina (www.unilat.org) the international organisation for all Latin people.
I'm not an expert on this subject at all. I came here for information and found an awkward and ungrammatical article dripping with self-righteous anger and indignation. For all I know, there may be some truth to these claims, but it's all so mired in hyperbole that I can't sort it out. I realize that this is an emotional topic for some, but is there someone out there with knowledge of this subject who could take it in hand and dispassionately craft it into a useful article? CKA3KA (Skazka) 23:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor 

message: Before rewriting the first line, I wanted to discuss it.
:Hispanic, as used in the United States, is one of several terms used to categorize U.S. citizens, permanent residents and illegal aliens whose ancestry hails either from Spain, the Spanish-speaking countries of Latin America (Hispanic America), or the original settlers of the traditionally Spanish-held Southwestern United States.
That's just not true.  My proposed new line is:
:Hispanic, as used in the United States, is an ethnic label used to categorize people whose ancestry hails from the Spanish-speaking countries of Latin America (Hispanic America) or the original settlers of the traditionally Spanish-held Southwestern United States.
*The part about US citizens / residents / aliens is false; a Mexican citizen living in Mexico would be described as "Hispanic".
*Spaniards aren't called Hispanic in common usage.
*It's an ethnic label.
Tempshill 22:46, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect line #1 

message: puting people in the same group because they speak the same language? Should the french speakers of Africa be in the same group as the French?
and why is it being used racialy? the majority of mexico is Amerindian while the people of spain are Nordic and Mediterranean which are all European/white groups. Robwi 14:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What you just wrote is quite inaccurate. 60% of the population of Mexico is thoroughly mixed. Why can't the French speakers of Africa be in the same group as the French? Francophone means French-speaking. --Deepstratagem 11:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the point of this, anyway? 

message: I too beleive that this article should be merged with "latino".  Within common vernacular, they are synonyms.  Perhaps within the new merged article, a section could be devoted to the symantic difference between the terms "hispanic" and "latino".
--HomerJay603 17:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i disagree. this is NOT USA WIKI but Wikipedia in the English language.
Lusitano Transmontano 06:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Within common U.S. vernacular, they are nearly synonyms, elsewhere they are not. See my response to Ewlyahoocom in the section "Merge with Latino". --Deepstratagem 08:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, it's still confusing and your response to me above isn't particularly elucidative. If anything, merging the pages would give us a better chance to highlight the differences between the terms. So by my count that's 2 votes for a merge and 1 against. Ewlyahoocom 16:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes on merging. It will reduce the confusion. Rjensen 19:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: They are not the same terms, Brazilians are latinos but are not Hispanic. --Vizcarra 23:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct, most Brazilians are not Hispanic, furthermore, Filipinos and many Spanish influenced cultures in SE Asia consider themselves Hispanic and not Latino, for example in Singapore. Just because you don't understand it, it doesn't mean you need to stereotype it and cluster it into a neat package. --Deepstratagem 08:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since you understand these terms so well, why don't you edit these pages so the rest of us can understand it, too? Or do you just understand it, but can't explain it? In which case, are you sure you really understand it? Ewlyahoocom 12:31, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The differences have adequately been addressed both in this discussion page and the article. Latino in this context refers to a relation to geographical "Latin America" and Hispanic in relation to Spain whether by ancestry or language. --Deepstratagem 00:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

text: "Hispano" is very distinct from Hispanic, and deserves its own article. There are school in New Mexico, USA with "Hispano Studies Departments", not Hispanic Studies Departments. There should be a section in Hispanic explaining the translation issue, but it should also link to this article. Hopefully it can be expanded as well. --Bfraga 15:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: *'HISPANIC' VS 'LATINO' CaribDigita 18:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A poll and article about this topic 

message: Is there any Laiinos or Hispanics from Canada?  Have you ever noticed that a lot of Canadian youths think the Spanish and Hispanics are the exact same thing?  That really hurts.  In addition because of that they think that I am white.  Some Jamaican kid I know was suprised to find out I was white, black and brown.
User:Santos Martinez 22:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is about confusion between Spanish and Hispanic 

message: I am myself from Spain (reading this article, I think I should point out that it is in Europe. I´ve always regarded myself as of Latin culture (because of  Roman heritage in my mother tongue, asturian). But now I´m rather confused. Am I Latin? Are our French and Portuguese neighbours Latin? Because of the US influence, nowadays we call latinos the inmigrant people coming mainly from South America (Andin countries). HERE, you can hear the typical commonplaces that latinos dance better than Spaniards, and stupidities like those. It doestn´t make any sense.
Please, give us back our "latinness". People from Spanish speaking countries should be called after their nacionality.Xareu bs 08:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I thought I was Latin 

message: Hispanic is used mainly by adults, but the term is not very commonly used amonngst youths in Canada. The term is "Hispanic is usually confused with  "Spanish", which of course is inaccurate as there is very wide gap seperating Hispanic and Spanish culture.  This creates a misconception among Canadian youth that all HIspanics are White when in fact more that half of them are White.  It is also very common to find people of Caribbean and South or Central American descent confuse this term with "Spanish."
Santos Martinez 13:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in Canada 

message: For all practical purposes, Brazilians living in the U.S. are normally considered Hispanic regardless of their ancestry (which, given the ethnic diversity of the Brazilian population_ see immigration in Brazil _ may actually be African, Portuguese, Italian, German, Jewish, Syrian-Lebanese or Japanese, as well as Spanish properly). The fact that Brazilians speak Portuguese rather than Spanish is also of little relevance as most Anglo-Americans cannot differentiate between the two languages. Spanish and Portuguese are so close anyway that one could even argue that they are two different dialects of the same Ibero-Romance language.
Spanish and POrtuguese are so close??? Just ridiculous!!!
Yes, they are my friend. Fewer languages are so similar. 65.10.182.9 02:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: On Brazilians being called Hispanic

message: :Please help with the   Latino template.  --JuanMuslim  1m 18:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latino template 

message: This is my case in Los Angeles, California. When I was enlisted in U.S. Army in the year 2000, all applicants were announced "If you are a Hispanic or a Latino, cercle White  at the ethnicty". I was ??? ......still remember, Jose Jamirez 00:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Useage by American official

message: Often I have to see how the term Hispanic is used in the US with non-white/non-European connotations or as if Hispanics were just newly arrived aliens in the country. In fact they were there much before and have been there much longer than the rest of Americans. 
Then we have the following: 
1. Hispanic refers obviousy to a huge group of people from different countries.
2. These peoples are bonded together by their language and culture.
3. These peoples come from countries with very diverse racial make-ups and which derive from the Spanish Empire, which by the way included almost the entire US, which was for centuries part of this Empire under the name of New Spain. Yes, very funny, is it not? Almost the entire US were part of New Spain!.
But the most funny thing is the following:
Hispanics are not considered white as a rule of thumb in the US, as if the US was a country
whiter than some Hispanic American Countries like Argentina or Uruguay, which is not.
Then we have the mother country for all Hispanics, Spain.
So, what is up with Spaniards, are they Hispanic or not?. Are they white or not?.
Well, they are Hispanic all right, in the same way that the English are Anglos.
So, we have a group of Hispanics, who are responsible for the name itself (Hispanic comes from Hispania and Hispania is Latin for Spain) who were the colonial power in the US for centuries and who happen to be white/European. White? Well, some people say that Southern Europeans are not that white. Let us see:  
In fact, according to new genetic research they happen to be the whitest/most genuine European nation in Europe. See the following:
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If you are not familiar with genetic anthropology note that R1b is the oldest and most common genetic family in Europe, and where does it show the highest concentration? In Spain.
But if you do not have enough with Haplogroups, and want more genetic loci tested, let us see:
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Well, this Oxford article takes into acount 8 genetic loci, quite complete indeed. Spain is refered to as IberiaS.
What is the result? Again, Spain has the highest concentration of Native European genes, called Basque genes in this study and Iberian genes in other studies, followed closely by the Britons, the Portuguese and the North Italians.
Conclusion:
The fathers of all Hispanics happen to be the whitest/most European people in Europe. As a result, there are a lot of Hispanics that are whiter than those who think themselves as the genuine white people/European-Americans in the US. And all this according to serious, rigorous genetic science, not to concepts and ideas that are sometimes close to mental retardation. Veritas et Severitas 20:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for combating ignorance with scientific evidence. It's interesting, though, that even without rigorous evidence, this should be fairly obvious from reading historical texts or just a little bit of thinking. Deepstratagem 05:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: "most Americans do consider Spanish people white", yes, but they don't know where to place Hispanic people. Deepstratagem 07:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hispanic, Spain, White People, Race? 

message: I propose a new section in the article:
Historical presence of Hispanics in the United States of America. Veritas et Severitas 17:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be a lot more important than the "Political trends" U.S. subsection, which basically says nothing of consequence. I think an introductory History of Hispanics (in general) would be important, too. Deepstratagem 20:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section proposal. 

message: I was surprised to see that Hispanic-American redirected here. I support a split on this page from any content regarding Hispanics living in the U.S. to a seperate page titled "Hispanic-American".--Jersey Devil 22:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hispanic-American Redirect

message: This article (and the one on "Latino" states that Spaniards from Spain consider themselves Hispanics and Latinos, yet almost all the Spaniards I have met stress their European heritage and tend to distance themselves from Latin American culture and identities. Call it some sort of snobbery or even racism, but many do and as such this article is inaccurate in this respect.
The graph in this article is wrong- being from Florida, I can tell you higlighting the entire state green as being >40 Hispanic is not correct. Miami-Dade, Broward, Osceola and some rural counties such as  Hardee are 40% or more but that's it. Certainly not the panhandle of Florida.
Are the following people "Hispanic" ? (1) A Basque immigrant who speaks no Spanish (2) A Catalan whose language is closer than French than Castillian (3) A Galician whose language is closer to Portuguese (4) An Argentinian who is of 100% non-Spanish descent(German or Italian). Jcam 21:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 1, 2 and 3 - technically speaking (geographically) yes, though they may trivialize the concept because Hispanicity is usually associated with descendants of Spaniards. 4 - For the latter reason yes, if this person is influenced by Spanish culture and considers himself/herself Hispanic. However, this is clearly a gray area, and is paramount to Mexican Americans considering themselves Mexican, where Mexican nationals generally do not consider Mexican Americans and Chicanos Mexican and distance themselves. Deepstratagem 04:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Several problems with this article... 

message: Attempts to unify Hispanic Americans under a single one mushy ball of Wonder Bread dough have often created tensions among the varied Hispanic American subgroups. For Cuban Americans, Mexican Americans, and Puerto Ricans to have little in common is not uncommon. Some Hispanic Americans find it easier to ally with other minorities rather than with members of other Hispanic groups. 
Cuban Americans have often allied themselves politically with Jewish Americans. Puerto Ricans have built similar alliances with African Americans.
Even apparent similarities sometimes mask profound differences. Although most Hispanics speak Spanish, each subgroup adapts the pronunciation and slang of its homeland to its unique circumstances in the United States. Likewise, while most Hispanic Americans are members of the Roman Catholic Church, they have inherited different religious traditions from their homelands. In the Spanish-speaking nations of the Caribbean, Catholic religious practices reflect strong African influences as a result of the slave trade that took place in the region. In Central and South America, the most significant influences on the Catholic Church are the religious traditions of pre-Colombian civilizations of Native Americans (see Pre-Columbian Religions).
Unknown User  19:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Just a topic that i personaliy think that should be mentioned in this artical

message: Here you have an interesting article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/opinion/09horwitz.html?ex=1310097600&en=713eb1dd87fa4796&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
I have nothing else to add. Just that a section should be added on the historic presence of Hispanics in the US. Hispanics are not aliens in the US. That is what a lot of people and their institutions have been trying to sell, but fewer and fewer people are buying it. 
I will start this section soon myself, but I welcome help and contributions.
Veritas et Severitas 01:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section about the presence of Hispanics in America 

message: It seems to be a misconception about what Hispanic means nowadays. Technically every person that's Spanish descendant is Hispanic, but de facto, it's not. I'm Uruguayan and I'm 1/2 Italian, 1/4 Spanish and 1/4 Jewish. All the times that I've been in America I was never considered Hispanic, when they write in the passport the racial profile I've always been regarded of as White. Every single one of my friends that were in America the same, no Hispanic in the racial profile. The same happens too with my Argentinian friends and relatives. So, it makes me wonder, what's that the look at when they say "you're hispanic?". Notice that I'm blonde, I have blue eyes and I look WASPy, so does everyone in my family, maybe that's why.
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Hispanics are a ethnicity, not a race. they are bonded toguether mainly by language, and also ancestry, but they many be of very diverse ancestries. That is already in the article. 72.144.50.7 00:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uruguayans and Argentinians aren't considered Hispanic (most of them) 

message: Really? This OBSCURE image is now primary in all wikis involving Hispanics? That's ridiculous and should be removed immediately. 
And, at the very least, where's the reference for: "all the states of Latin America during La Conferencia Panamericana."
--Mcmachete 03:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter what you look like. You could learn Spanish, and you could travel to a Latin American country and adopt the culture to the point of understanding. Additionally, you don't have to lose your identity to do this; just be able to relate to the people you want to get close to. You wouldn't have to be fluent in Spanish or Tagalog; but the framework of a particular language (and of course experience) appears to influence how you might see the world, and would help develop common ground and relate.
Muchas Gracias,amigo.Now I know what to do.
==Extracted out-of-scope text==
I extracted the following text from the article and placed it here. This should be listed in some other article like new spain but not here. Is this article meant to list all achivements made by spanish conquistadors, explorers, and settlers? I think not...
The Hispanic presence in the United States is the second longest, after the Native American. Most Americans associate the early Spanish in this hemisphere with Hernán Cortés in Mexico and Francisco Pizarro in Peru, but Spaniards pioneered the present-day United States, too.
The first confirmed landing in the continental US was by a Spaniard, Juan Ponce de León, who landed in 1513 at a lush shore he christened La Florida. Within three decades of Ponce de León's landing, the Spanish became the first Europeans to reach the Appalachian Mountains, the Mississippi River, the Grand Canyon and the Great Plains. Spanish ships sailed along the East Coast, penetrating to present-day Bangor, Maine, and up the Pacific Coast as far as Oregon.
From 1528 to 1536, four castaways from a Spanish expedition, including a "black" Moor, journeyed all the way from Florida to the Gulf of California, 267 years before Lewis and Clark embarked on their much more renowned and far less arduous trek.
In 1540 De Soto undertook an extensive exploration of the present US and in the same year, Francisco Vázquez de Coronado led 2,000 Spaniards and Mexican Indians across today's Arizona-Mexico border and traveled as far as central Kansas, close to the exact geographic center of what is now the continental United States. Other Spanish explorers of the US make up a long list that includes among others, Lucas Vásquez de Ayllón, Pánfilo de Narváez, Sebastián Vizcaíno, Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo, Gaspar de Portolà, Pedro Menéndez de Avilés, Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca, Tristán de Luna y Arellano and Juan de Oñate. In all, Spaniards probed half of today's lower 48 states before the first English tried to colonize, at Roanoke Island.
The Spanish didn't just explore, they settled, creating the first permanent European settlement in the continental United States at St. Augustine, Florida, in 1565. Santa Fe, New Mexico also predates Jamestown, Virginia and Plymouth Colony (of Mayflower and Pilgrims fame). Later came Spanish settlements in San Antonio, Tucson, San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco, to name just a few. The Spanish even established a Jesuit mission in Virginia's Chesapeake Bay 37 years before the founding of Jamestown in 1607.
Two iconic American stories have Spanish antecedents, too. Almost 80 years before John Smith's alleged rescue by Pocahontas, a man by the name of Juan Ortiz told of his remarkably similar rescue from execution by an Indian girl. Spaniards also held a thanksgiving, 56 years before the Pilgrims, when they feasted near St. Augustine with Florida Indians, probably on stewed pork and garbanzo beans. As late as 1783, at the end of the American Revolutionary War, Spain held claim to roughly half of today's continental United States (in 1775, Spanish ships even reached Alaska). From 1819 to 1848, the United States and its army increased the nation's area by roughly a third at Spanish and Mexican expense, including three of today's four most populous states: California, Texas and Florida.
danedouard00 03:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it is somewhat out of scope, but absolutely relevant. It should be transformed into a small section that links to History of Hispanic people in the United States or ...the Americas. Otherwise it renders the article out of balance, as it is a common assumption that Hispanics are new to the U.S. when in reality the descendants of Spaniards (Hispanic people) have been around longer than any other European descendants. Deepstratagem 06:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: i think it's a good idea to put it in History of Hispanic people in the United States. go for it.danedouard00 03:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hispanic flag?? 

message: I extracted the following text from the article and placed it here. This should be listed in some other article like new spain but not here. Is this article meant to list all achivements made by spanish conquistadors, explorers, and settlers? I think not...
The Hispanic presence in the United States is the second longest, after the Native American. Most Americans associate the early Spanish in this hemisphere with Hernán Cortés in Mexico and Francisco Pizarro in Peru, but Spaniards pioneered the present-day United States, too.
The first confirmed landing in the continental US was by a Spaniard, Juan Ponce de León, who landed in 1513 at a lush shore he christened La Florida. Within three decades of Ponce de León's landing, the Spanish became the first Europeans to reach the Appalachian Mountains, the Mississippi River, the Grand Canyon and the Great Plains. Spanish ships sailed along the East Coast, penetrating to present-day Bangor, Maine, and up the Pacific Coast as far as Oregon.
From 1528 to 1536, four castaways from a Spanish expedition, including a "black" Moor, journeyed all the way from Florida to the Gulf of California, 267 years before Lewis and Clark embarked on their much more renowned and far less arduous trek.
In 1540 De Soto undertook an extensive exploration of the present US and in the same year, Francisco Vázquez de Coronado led 2,000 Spaniards and Mexican Indians across today's Arizona-Mexico border and traveled as far as central Kansas, close to the exact geographic center of what is now the continental United States. Other Spanish explorers of the US make up a long list that includes among others, Lucas Vásquez de Ayllón, Pánfilo de Narváez, Sebastián Vizcaíno, Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo, Gaspar de Portolà, Pedro Menéndez de Avilés, Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca, Tristán de Luna y Arellano and Juan de Oñate. In all, Spaniards probed half of today's lower 48 states before the first English tried to colonize, at Roanoke Island.
The Spanish didn't just explore, they settled, creating the first permanent European settlement in the continental United States at St. Augustine, Florida, in 1565. Santa Fe, New Mexico also predates Jamestown, Virginia and Plymouth Colony (of Mayflower and Pilgrims fame). Later came Spanish settlements in San Antonio, Tucson, San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco, to name just a few. The Spanish even established a Jesuit mission in Virginia's Chesapeake Bay 37 years before the founding of Jamestown in 1607.
Two iconic American stories have Spanish antecedents, too. Almost 80 years before John Smith's alleged rescue by Pocahontas, a man by the name of Juan Ortiz told of his remarkably similar rescue from execution by an Indian girl. Spaniards also held a thanksgiving, 56 years before the Pilgrims, when they feasted near St. Augustine with Florida Indians, probably on stewed pork and garbanzo beans. As late as 1783, at the end of the American Revolutionary War, Spain held claim to roughly half of today's continental United States (in 1775, Spanish ships even reached Alaska). From 1819 to 1848, the United States and its army increased the nation's area by roughly a third at Spanish and Mexican expense, including three of today's four most populous states: California, Texas and Florida.
danedouard00 03:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it is somewhat out of scope, but absolutely relevant. It should be transformed into a small section that links to History of Hispanic people in the United States or ...the Americas. Otherwise it renders the article out of balance, as it is a common assumption that Hispanics are new to the U.S. when in reality the descendants of Spaniards (Hispanic people) have been around longer than any other European descendants. Deepstratagem 06:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: i think it's a good idea to put it in History of Hispanic people in the United States. go for it.danedouard00 03:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Extracted out-of-scope text

message: This observation might be totally irrelevant to the process of editing this article, but as a Colombian now living in Europe I regard the material contained in this talk page a small gold-mine of anthropological material. I can recognize so many familiar attitudes in these editorial comments!  Gatodeunkilo 23:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fascinating

message: Filipino Mestizos refer to generally those of mixed Spanish and Filipino descent. Wouldn't these people be considered Hispanic too? --203.15.122.35 03:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Filipino Mestizos

message: There is a problem with the Hispanophone World Map!. The problem is that the Western Sahara region is shaded green. The green shade needs to be erazed because the majority of the people in Western Sahara are 'not' Hispanic nor a Spanish speaking population. The majority of it's people 'do not' speak Spanish and are 'not' hispanic in terms of ancestry and culture. The majority of it's people are of Arabic and African descent. The majority of it's population speaks Arabic and it also remains the dominant and sole language of the country. The map needs to be change because it is giving out a mis-leading information. thanks! --Cajamarca express 2:27 February 27 2007 (UTC)
That territory was part of Spain or the Spanish Empire, as you wish, until as recently as 1975. A lot of people in that area also speak Spanish and have close links to Spain. Still I agree that it could be colored a lighter shade, because the official language is Arabic. 70.156.157.40 16:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reply: Your wrong, sorry but the current census does 'not mentions' the people of Western Sahara as being hispanics nor a Spanish speaking nation. Only a tiny minority speaks Spanish in that region and that 'does not constitute' the majority of the population.  Who speaks Spanish in that region as a majority? do you have facts to back up your statement? So what if they were part of the Spanish Empire, that does not give them the previledge of being hispanics. The Philippines, Guam and the Mariana islands were part of the Spanish Empire to, for over 4 centuries, still, they are not shaded in the map as being hispanics. That is because the majority of the population are not of Spanish ancestry. Only 3.6% of the Population of the Philippines would qualify as Hispanics by ancestry. Let me tell you this, the culture of the Philippines is considerably more hispanic or possesed hispanic elements, than the culture of Western Sahara. I have a question for you? "What is so hispanic about Western Sahara, when in fact the majority of the people are of Arabic descents and the majority of the population practised Arabic culture". -- Cajamarca express 11:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Sahara are 'not' Hispanics nor a Spanish Speaking Nation 

message: Alright, I have a question to everyone. I'm sure everyone here is quite aware that the term Hispanic pertains to the Iberian Peninsula(for give me if my spelling is questionable, so why does Merriam Webster's Standard American English dictionary say that the word Hispanic comes from the word "Hispania" but is A Latin American? Have Americans become so arrogant that they've completely changed the definition of a word?  Just because that is who it is used most to commonly refer too, does not make that the definition, I personally think that it does not need to be used as a legal term.  Speaking of wrongly using the term, does anyone recall the mother and father that sold their child?  Well, I was watching MSNBC and not only did they put the child that was born to Brazalian parents as Hispanic, they also put Hispanic as a race as well.  And here's another one, when a thirteen year old boy was kidnapped, CNN said that they were "90 percent sure that he was Caucasian, but may have been Hispanic".  And there lies the problem, given that he was in Florida(and yes I know this is a stereotype) wouldn't it be most likely he was Cuban?  And if that's so, aren't most Cubans that arent's Black or Mulatto, Caucasian?  I mean honestly, why do they not educate people about these types of things?
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Well, that is a very complicated problem. Americans are too ignorant to be fixed. 70.156.157.40 16:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions 

message: I have made this racial/genetic update, from this 2007 article (page 5):
http://www.ajhg.org/AJHG/journal/preprints/AJHG44466.preprint.pdf
In fact, in accordance with other genetic studies, a recent genetic piece of research from 2007 claims: "The Spanish and Basque groups are the furthest away from other continental groups, which is consistent with the suggestions that the Iberian peninsula holds the most ancient European genetic ancestry" .
It is most relevant, especially since we all know that "Anglos", influenced by Nordicist theories,  have always thought of themselves to be more European in terms of ancestry than the Spanish. Population genetics is really making incredible discoveries. Veritas et Severitas 18:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say the Spaniards, the people of Spain herself (including Spanish emigrants) constitute the core of Hispanicness. (Seems obvious? Perhaps, but some might say that Spaniards and Hispanic Americans are equally Hispanic) From there, it goes on to include people in other countries who are of Spanish descent. The less Spanish ancestry and culture one has, i.e. the further one gets from the core, the more being Hispanic is a matter of personal choice/self-identification. I don't think it's possible to point to a definite point of demarcation, unfortunately. It's fuzzy. IMO, you're in that "choice" zone, since you're not primarily of Spanish descent or culture. Even within the US official definition (and be sure to take account of the fact that it is not the same as when Montoya first proposed it), I think you still have a choice. But you can still claim that you're part-Hispanic! :) Regards. SamEV 05:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The government doesn't treat it as a race. It's the average person who does, even many Hispanics. But this article has long made it clear that that is incorrect. SamEV 00:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial/genetic update 

message: I want to compliment the editors responsible for this section; It is very well written and resolves a lot of questions that linger on this talk page, thus tying the loose ends in the article. Typical traces of ignorance in the section are non-existent. Deepstratagem 17:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is the worst section of the article. it is orginal research and where are the fn references? I may be willing to clean it up if I find a couple of hours today. danedouard00 17:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This part is good. Style should be corrected, that is all. Hispanics are not only people from the Americas as we should all know. Veritas et Severitas 18:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The only encyclopedic content is that was there was that the term "hispanic" in Spain refers to the collective ethnicities/cultures of spain including, aranese, aragonese, asturian, basque, castilian, catalan, and galacian. (I put that under the appropriate section.) I tend to believe that in Spain it's used that way but I would like to see a citation from a reputable source. The rest of the content of the "historical mistake" read like a high-school/college term paper in that it was trying to establish a point, but without citations. The section blamed "low-class Latin Americans" for misuse of the term Hispanic--what reputable source says that? The section's content is not for Wikipedia. Encyclopedias summarize establish, accepted facts.danedouard00 19:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The historical mistake

message: Long time ago, I created a post to change the map of the hispanophone. As no one replied to my topic, I changed the map. Then I left this article, and few time ago I came back to do few changes. And my surprise was that ¡oh! ¡Someone had changed the map! ...by a map I think it's much worst. It doesn't include the Philippines nor Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands, which are places of clearly Hispanic heritage. Apart from these, maybe Palau, the Caroline Island, or some others that also belonged to Spain contain people with spanish names and surnames, and spanish creole languages like the Chamorro, and might also be included. But the first ones I mentioned, MUST be included.
I don't know if all this stuff was discussed apart from the topic I created, somewhere in this vast talk page; I haven't found it. Anyway if I created a topic to change the map, I don't understand why the person who changed the map after I created the topic, didn't even reply in that same topic when he/she/it made the change.
All in all, I think it should be changed to include the stuff I said. I think I'm gonna change it some day of these, if no one discusses about it here.
Onofre Bouvila 21:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hispanophone map

message: It's like this:
Europeans first arrived in the Philippine Islands with the Spanish expedition around the world led by Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan in 1521 March 16 (March 17, 1521 in real date; Magellan did not realize that they had crossed the International Date Line). Magellan landed on the island of Cebu, claiming the lands for Spain and naming them Islas de San Lázaro. Over the next several decades, other Spanish expeditions were dispatched to the islands. In 1543, Ruy López de Villalobos led an expedition to the islands and gave the name Las Islas Felipinas (after Philip II of Spain) to the islands of Samar and Leyte.Lacsamana, Philippine History and Government, p. 52 The name would later be given to the entire archipelago.
During the following five centuries, until Spain lost them to the United States in the Spanish-American War in 1898, the Philippines remained as a part of the Spanish Empire. Consequently, the aboriginal culture and Languages of the Philippines recieved a great influence from Spain and from other parts of the Empire, mainly Mexico. Although the Spanish language was not adopted as the mother tongue by the majority of the population, there was an important group of the population (though insignificant in number), composed mainly of Spanish and Filipinos of Spanish descent, who did speak it and who ruled the islands during the Spanish colonial period. Other Philippine languages, such as the Tagalog, were not entirely replaced, but recieved strong influences from the Spanish. New languages also originated, such as the Chavacano, a Spanish-based creole language, or the Filipino, a standardized version of the Tagalog that serves as the national language in the country (note that if the Spaniards had not conquered the islands and unified them under the same government, nowadays probably we could not be speaking of the Philippines as a single unity). Onofre Bouvila 11:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I added a section for the Hispanics in the Philippines

message: I award this as the most stupid, misleading article.
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Oh, so this is User:Mr roces, the smart one who kept removing the Hispanophone map long time ago. What about contributing instead of criticizing. Onofre Bouvila 20:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Awarding

message: The whole section is a copy paste from its main article, Hispanics in the United States. I think that we should make a much shorter section, just like the sections for the other Hispanics in the rest of the World: in the Philippines, in Guam and the Marianas, Equatorial Guinea, Spain (Catalans, Canarians, etc), etc. All their sections are very short, but the one from Hispanics in the United States is kilometrical, and in addition, as I said, it's a copy paste from its main article. I'll go further with this, soon. Onofre Bouvila 20:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reduction of the section [[Hispanic#Hispanics_in_the_United_States]]

message: I think this talk page is getting long, and there is too much stuff. I would archive it, but I guess we should discuss it here first. Here is the procedure to do it: Wikipedia:How_to_archive_a_talk_page. Onofre Bouvila 01:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely I am going to archive it. Onofre Bouvila 21:56, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: IMPORTANT: Archiving this talk page