Talk:Azerbaijanis/Archive 2

message: It is a label that is not used by the majority of Azaris and if certain users want it to remain, make a fact at pointing out that only a few in the Republic of Azarbaijan go by that label and that they are only (15-20%) of the Azari population. The Republic of Azarbaijan and Iran are one heart and spirit cut into two bodies by foreigners 72.57.230.179 03:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree that the name Azeri or Azerbaijani is more correct and is internationally accepted, Azeri Turks is also one of the popular names used especially to identify Azeri people before 20th century, so it should remain. Grandmaster 04:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well your personal feelings and emotions are not what varifies things. Also please sign user:Baku87. I know you know how to sign your posts. 72.57.230.179 19:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Name Azeri Turk Should be taken out

message: The Azaris in Iran call themselves Azri not Azari Turk. This should be pointed out since they are 75-80% of the worlds Azari population. There should also beanother picture of an Iranian Azri. 72.57.230.179 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: None of the Azaris in Iran call themselves Azari Turks

message: The pictures are grossly unfair and need more Iranian represntation 72.57.230.179 06:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is only one, that is my point. When there is three from the north. This is unfiar. When pictures of many prominent Azaris from Iran that are more familiar internationally than the northern ones were displayed they were arrased in the past. When the Azari's of Iran are 75-80% of the Azari poulation. This is very unrepresentative and biased. 72.57.230.179 02:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Add More Azaris From Iran in the Pictures

message: Khoikhoi’s compromise version is a lot better, but how do we know that most call themselves Azari and not Azeri? Is there any research on that? So far we only know that Azeris in Iran call their language Turki. Grandmaster 21:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes some Azaris in Iran refer to their language as Turki and I think that is noteworthy to add into the article. As you can see the page I asked you to read was with a Turkish twist since it is a Turkish source. They even call Tabriz by the Turkish term Tebriz. user:Khikhoi's compromise is good for the terminology, but I also wan to deal with the north and south perspectives. 72.57.230.179 02:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compromise 

message: I beleive that it is fundamental to put the perspective of the south and north in the intro, but will not do this until we reach a consensu and agreement. 72.57.230.179 03:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PErspective

message: Ok, I'm looking for non-partisan, peer-reviewed, reliable sources that state that "Azerbaijanis are racially Iranian". Give the citation, a link (if available), and no more than a paragraph of text that supports the assertion. - FrancisTyers 13:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: firstly, i would like to say that azeri's today are now turks.  they consider themselves turks and speak a turkic language.  however, this does not mean that they were always turks.  infact, many azeri's themselves know that they were turkified, but are now proud of the heritage they have adopted, and they should be proud.
but the fact of the matter is, that the large populations of turks now west of central asia are actually not turks, but turkified peoples.  turks tend to have mongoloid features, such as uzbeks, kyrgz, kazakhs, turkmens, etc...  the turks in turkey and azerbaijan were turkifed, which is evident in their facial features.  they look more like iranians and europeans than they do with their turk counterparts in central asia.  most turks west of central asia are linguistically turkic, not ethnically. Iranian Patriot 04:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made it clear that Azeri's are today Turkic so dont attack me.  But the fact of the matter is, and history supports this, that Azeri's were Turkified Iranics.  Also, I would like to say that Turkic peoples have Mongoloid features.  The Turks in Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, and Parts of Uzbekistan are actually descendents of Iranics.  Iranics dominated that region for centuries, and in some parts still do, like the Tajiks in souther Uzbekistan (Bukhara, Samarkhan regions).  The Turks in Turkey are actually Iranics, Anatolians, Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, and various others who have been Turkified.  Turks are some of the least pure ethnic group in the world, simple because they were a nomadic people and they mixed with people where ever they went.  Everyone today is a mix of something, but Turks are definetly some of the most mixed in the world, this is undeniable.  Infact, to me, Turks west of central asia are linguistically Turkic, not ethnically.Iranian Patriot 00:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: This is nothing but chauvanistic racism, guess what there are no PURE races, its a myth sorry guys but there is no Aryan Super Race its a dream of sad racists.
Iran has been ruled by Arabs and Turks for nearly 2000 years, face it you mixed with Turks and Arabs this is a reality.
Today the whole middle east is a total and utter ethnic mix, as Islamic legistlation ruled all muslims were encouraged to mix, they lived together there were no boundries and many, many mixed.
You can find Turkic looking, Arab looking, Persian looking, Caucausian looking etc etc, even in a family you can have members with more oriental eyes, those who are very dark and those who have blonde hair.
Azeri Turks were not "Turkified" as the whole notion suggests they were forced by Turks to simply change their identity which is ridiculous and hilarious to say the least.
There have been continuous Turkic migrations around the Caspian Sea region for thousands of years, plus Turks are not solely Mongoloid, they are a Mongoloid-Caucasian mix, many Turkmens and Ozbek Turks look no different to Turks in Azerbaycan and Turkey.
The reality of today is, Azeri Turks speak a language completely understandable with Oghuz Turkish spoken by roughly 120 million people and can understand to a large part the other Turkic languages especially Ozbek-Uygur.   They share a Turkic heritage, identity and belonging.
Regards
Tabriz_han
===Azaris, genetics, race, and culture is IRANIAN===
There is alot of scientific evidence and support for this fact. Wikipedia should not cater to the opinions of some "turkish" nationalists. Dariush4444 02:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azeri's are Turkified Iranics 

message: There is alot of scientific evidence and support for this fact. Wikipedia should not cater to the opinions of some "turkish" nationalists. Dariush4444 02:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Azaris, genetics, race, and culture is IRANIAN