Talk:Charles II of Spain

message: Before engaging on this topic, please check the Sources and articles provided. I've read them, and now know more about genetics than I ever wanted. It would be helpful if you can do the same. Thanks! Robinvp11 (talk) 11:41, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention Genetic fans; Please, please, please :) 

message: I have admired your work on this article, so I will inform you of my having done this: I re-inserted the quote/citation about him "baffling Christendom by continuing to live", since I think it paints a quite vivid picture that the article lacked without it. jp×g 14:35, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a great quote, but I go back and forth because Langdon-Davies also talks about his family background. That grates because I've tried hard to rescue Charles from the "victim of incest" tag that seems to obsess so many and regain the unfortunate young man who was bullied and mistreated by his mother and second wife. Plus being ruthless with my own editing allows me to expect it from others ('Interesting v Useful' debate). Happy to keep it in but I thought it worth explaining my thinking :). Robinvp11 (talk) 19:03, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-addition of absolutely crucial quote 

message: I noticed how you mentioned that the Bourbons were shocked at the ‘weakness of the military’ and the ‘empty treasury’, but I think the wording Caused some confusion. 
Well, The Land  and Naval forces were crippled for the spanish ever since the miserable blows during the 30 and 80 years’ wars.
The fact that the nation managed to survive Louis XIV’s  incursions were written about by Luis Ribot and Storrs (who also elaborated on spanish successes in Lombardy during the 9 years’ war).
As for the public coffers (this refers to Castille, the region that suffered the most from these problems) , throughout the 1680s, continuous and rigorous efforts were made to improve the fiscal situation. These included a lowering of the tax burden (the only such thing witnessed in 200 years), the devaluation of silver and the stabilisation of the billon, then the subsequent action to reduce the interest of the indebted. 
These shocked the economy in the short term but it calmed the Monetary situation after decades of chaos and bankruptcies and no such reform were taken after it.
I think I failed to put a citation for that (Though it is mentioned in pages 33,34,35 of Luis Ribot’s paper), the sources for it are; 
•Juan Antonio: La política fiscal en Castilla durante el reinado de Carlos II.
You will find more references on Ribot’s paper. 2344Mkonji (talk) 13:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok; I've included the Villanueva paper and I think the revised wording adequately reflects these points. In addition, the first two paragraphs of the "Reign" section makes it clear that these problems were not unique to Spain eg the impact of the Little Ice Age led to famine and population decline across Europe. Robinvp11 (talk) 17:26, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the fiscal reforms of Charles II of Spain 

message: Why not Just Carlos II? 2603:6011:A400:8873:84A0:365F:292F:672E (talk) 19:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  You can't have a Charles II of both England and Spain 

message: Who put on one of the edits that said “ugly busted lip goo ah” or something like it?! 67.198.64.244 (talk) 18:43, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  HELP?? 

message: Did Carlos II have any middle names? Because some of his siblings did, and as the heir apparent wouldn't he have been given middle names? For instance his brother Philip Prospero, Prince of Asturias had the middle names: Felipe Próspero José Francisco Domingo Ignacio Antonio Buenaventura Diego Miguel Luis Alfonso Isidro Ramón Víctor, did Carlos II have any middle names similar to this? Jeffersonian111 (talk) 00:15, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle names 

message: Autos-da-fé of the Spanish Inquisition were presided over by both Charles and his mother/regent, Mariana. This included the burnings alive of heretics and Jews. Mariana was the power behind Charles' throne, he was not actively in control of the monarchy in the early years. Autos-da-fe were taking place all through the reigns of Charles' father, Philip IV and continued after his death in 1665. According to the Wikipedia article on Marianna, "Mariana became regent once again" on the death of Don Juan, the illegitimate son of Philip IV in September of 1679. In the next year, 1680, "the greatest of all spectacles staged by the Inquisition in Spain was held on June 30 on the Plaza Mayor in Madrid". It lasted 14 hours and many were burned alive, which is what happens at a large auto-da-fé. Is this an example of the power of a woman, Mariana, the then Regent of Spain? If so, let's follow the evidence where it leads. On that day, another woman attached to the Royal Court, the Marquise de Villars, wrote as follows: "I did not have the courage to be present at this horrible execution of the Jews". . . "It was a hideous spectacle. During the period of judgment, it was necessary to put in an appearance from beginning to end unless one had a medical certificate: for otherwise one would have been considered a heretic. Indeed, people thought very ill of me for not enjoying everything that was happening. The cruelties which were witnessed at the death of these poor wretches is impossible for me to describe." Source: Cecil Roth, "The Spanish Inquisition", 1964, pages 70-71. 
A second source for the events of June 30, 1680: The Spanish court (Mariana & Charles) was so proud of this auto-da-fé that they commissioned the court painter, Francisco Rizi, to record the event. This painting can be seen both at the Museo del Prado website and Wikimedia Commons site under the title, "Auto-da-fé on Plaza Mayor, Madrid". At both sites, Mariana & Charles II can be seen on a dais enjoying and presiding over the spectacle of inquisition, torture and burning. If we're going to have articles about sovereigns, let's have all the information of importance mentioned. This painting should be included in the articles of both Mariana and Charles and is in the public domain. Sources: Museo del Prado (https://www.museodelprado.es/en/the-collection/art-work/autodafe-in-the-plaza-mayor-of-madrid/8d92af03-3183-473a-9997-d9cbf2557462), Wikimedia Commons, under the name "File:Detail of Auto de fe 1680.jpg":(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Detail_of_Auto_de_fe_1680.jpg)
47.232.145.208 (talk) 02:37, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mariana, mother of Charles II, and Autos-da-fé