Talk:Algeria/Archive 1

message: The paragraphs I've just added come from an old source whose copyright has expired.  I've attempted to verify everything, modernize spelling, and eliminate anachronisms, but I'm sure I haven't succeeded completely.  So please update anything I've missed and expand wherever you feel it's necessary.
I've removed the following paragraph from Archaeology as I can not find verification of it.  I suspect that either the monuments are no longer in Algeria, or that the spelling of Arabic "walls" given ("jedars") is no longer common, possibly both.  Verifying this bit of text is complicated by the fact that the "department of Oran" no longer exists, but is now Mauritania, Morocco, and Algeria (the former "department of Constantine" is now Tunisia, Libya, and Algeria. If you can find the correct spelling of this word and also find if the monuments mentioned remain within the boundaries of present-day Algeria, then please update and restore it.
:The Jedars (Arabian "walls" or "buildings") are in the department of Oran.  The name is given to a number of sepulchral monuments placed on hill-tops.  A rectangular or square podium is in each case surmounted by a pyramid.  The tombs date from the 5th to the 7th century of the Christian era, and lie in two distinct groups between Tiaret and Frenda, a distance of 35 miles.  Tiaret, an ancient town modernized by the French, can be reached by railway from Mostaganem.  Near Frenda, which has largely preserved its old Berber character, are numerous dolmens and prehistoric rock sculptures.
::(from Tiaret page)
::This is correct. The site of the Djedars is close to Frenda which is a town in the Department (wilaya) of Tiaret. Frenda is situated about 50 Km to the south west of Tiaret City. The monuments still exist and can be visited. Post-cards of the tombs also are on sale in the region.
::(from Mostaganem page)
::Actually Tiaret cannot be reached from Mostaganem by train. The train link is not functional anymore. Rather Tiaret can be reached by route (several highways). Tiaret can also be reached from Algiers by plane. 
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KQ, I think you're going about this exactly the right way.  This isn't to say there's anything wrong with uploading totally unedited stuff from the Unnamable encyclopedia, but at some point, we've definitely got to update those entries.  What's cool is that, as you're demonstrating, it is possible to update them. --LMS
Thanks.  The spellings can generally be figured out; for whatever reason we've tended to change double identical consonants in a word to single ones.  And as a sidenote, the preferred spelling of one word is no longer "shat" but "chott."  :-)  I'm looking forward to adding countries whose boundaries have not changed in the last 100 years, as I expect them to be much less time-consuming.
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"the "department of Oran" no longer exists, but is now Mauritania, Morocco, and Algeria (the former "department of Constantine" is now Tunisia, Libya, and Algeria."
This is not correct; in fact, the "department of Oran" corresponds to western Algeria, and "department of Constantine" to eastern Algeria.  Tunisia, Libya, Morocco, and Mauritania were never integrated into the French "département" structure, as Algeria was. 67.164.10.115 06:04, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: The length of the history section was just about doubled just now.  It's only intended to be a brief summary of the main article; bearing this in mind, I suggest that (most of) that paragraph would better be placed in the appropriate History of Algeria series article. - Mustafaa 17:41, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I kind of understand where the reader is coming from, but a lot of ideas have been entered out of time order and other are already mentioned in other paragraphs. I'll try to clean it up.  --Djihed 22:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Okey, I just ouright deleted them. They are out of context and very specific, the ideas been discussed to some degree in history of algeria and other sub articles (e.g under ottoman rule). By the way, they've been translated from the french wikipedia --Djihed 22:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History section

message: Isn't the official name "Democratic and Popular Republic of Algeria"?  —BozoTheScary 21:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture in 1 is obsolete. The text in the current Passport is "People's Democratic Republic of Algeria". --Smiley77 21:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Official Name

message: We work here to make history an not politic.
The § I added concerning the heroïc Koceila and Kahena has been related by Ibn Khaldoun the greatest historian (the most objective and rational) of the whole Middle age. He was not ashamed to remind, that before the Islam the ancesters of Berberians were either Chrisian or Jewish and were also good warriors.<Br/>
So I do not understand why that § has been censured. 
Consequently I retablish it.<Br/>
Philomax 2Philomax 2 22:20, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: About King Koceila and Queen Kahena

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thread_title:  Suggest 17 possible wiki links for [[Algeria]]. 

message: Hi everybody - just announcing a place to encourage Algeria-related articles: Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Algeria. - Mustafaa 20:04, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Portal

message: GDP $659 billion? check the source given (IMF), it's $139 billion in 2009. please correct that  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.197.191 (talk) 05:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP A JOKE? 

message: According with some European countries consensus, many countries discussed about these two maps, Algeria not yet, but it seems that european users think to have the right to change all maps of Africa because it. Obviously the orange one looks more professional and all the continent is separated with the world.--TownDown How's it going? 14:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I must confess that it's difficult to understand your English, but I take it that you try to argue the case that your maps are better? Be that as it may, we follow consensus here on Wikipedia and your way forward should be to try to convince others about the quality of your maps, not to engage in an edit war against the established consensus. And please refrain from dragging in other contributors' nationalities, it is completely irrelevant and doesn't strengthen your argument one bit.JdeJ (talk) 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't accuse me to convince others about quality of my maps or dragging in other contributors' nationalities. You can be reported. --TownDown How's it going? 21:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So first you use other's ethnicity in your arguments, then you threaten with reporting me when I point that out. As I've said before, it's deplorable that you always resort to intimidation instead of trying to argue your case with factual arguments.JdeJ (talk) 09:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

text: The proponent has been temporarily blocked for edit warring and incivility, directly arising from the addition of maps of this style to a number of articles.  Not only is the map (with a horrid Mercator projection) inconsistent with the locator maps in most country articles but has done so without substantial discussion and limited to no consensus.  This map is not agreeable; consequently, I have restored the prior long-standing map.  I believe a renewed consensus needs to be demonstrated before the map is changed again.  Thoughts? Bosonic dressing (talk) 02:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps 

message: "The highest official temperature was 50.6 °C (123.1 °F) at In Salah."[41]
Official maybe, but given that El-Azizia in neighbouring Libya has apparently recorded 58^C (136.4^F), I think one of two things is true, Either Algeria's figure is too low, or El Azizia's is too high. A difference of 7.4^C between the two national records is simply not credible in my view.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meltingpot (talk • contribs) 11:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate

message: "all Algerian dialects are in fact an arabic-berber mix, none is pure arabic or pure berber"
Can't we get this pseudo information out of here? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_language and ask for example the author of the blog http://lughat.blogspot.com/ 91.152.248.219 (talk) 20:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the above. While it is true that Algerian Arabic has a Berber substratum and it is equally true that the Berber languages have been influence by Arabic, that statement makes it seem as if Berber and Arabic are dialects of the same language or at least very closely related. As that is not the case, the statement is misleading.JdeJ (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language, again 

message: Algeria is considered by Berbers to be a part of the Berber World.
This affirmation is not clear. It came after mentioning Algeria's affiliation to known international entities (to my knowledge there is no international organization named Berber World). The problem lies in "What is the Berber World?". After clicking the wiki-link, it redirected me to Berber People article. A google test gave only 1,420 hits. This misleading part will be removed unless verifiable information are provided. --Bestofmed™⟨msg↵⟩ 14:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berber World 

message: TENOR  COMPTE D E S FUSEAUX  HORAIRES   
DIFFERENTS EUROPE AFRICA
ALGERIA  PAYS  D AFRIQUE   
VOIR CI DESSOUS 
http://www.fuseau-horaire.com/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.222.112.219 (talk) 15:08, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistency

message: The information pertaining to the climate of Algeria under the geography section can also be found at this address: http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/atlas/qt/climateAlgeria.htm
Climate information belongs in a separate subsection titled "Climate" and it should be original writing. Thoughts? TravisWichtendahl (talk) 07:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism

message: The following paragraph is sourced to a reliable source, but has been removed twice   by a new editor for no obvious reason. This material is clearly relevant to the Demographics section, and I am restoring it. The same editor is also blanket reverting other minor edits, e.g. grammar corrections. Please keep an eye on this.
<BLOCKQUOTE>Women make up 70 percent of Algeria's lawyers and 60 percent of its judges. Women dominate medicine. Increasingly, women are contributing more to household income than men. Sixty percent of university students are women, according to university researchers.</BLOCKQUOTE>
85.94.186.91 (talk) 00:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economic role of women 

message: For the ones interested in using an icon for the relationship between Algeria and the world at large I would like to contribute with an image should it be needed. Thanks--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 05:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship to the world

message: Between 1830 and 1847 50,000 French people emigrated to Algeria,[31] but the conquest was slow because of intense resistance from such people as Emir Abdelkader, Ahmed Bey and Fatma N'Soumer. Indeed, the conquest was not technically complete until the early 1900s when the last Tuareg were conquered by General Guilain P. Denoeux. -- This is wrong.
Guilain Denoeux is a professor at Colby College who teaches Middle eastern politics and not a French general.
:Removed. Antipastor (talk) 16:29, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  French rule -- Denoeux 

message: The French invaded Algiers in 1830. The conquest of Algeria by the French was long and particularly violent, and it resulted in the disappearance of about a third of the Algerian population. France was responsible for the extermination of 1.5 million Algerians. According to Olivier Le Cour Grandmaison, the French pursued a policy of extermination against the Algerians.  
1.5 million Algerians died during the Algerian War of Independence. Genocide which was committed by the French.
Algerians argue that the massacres should be named as genocide and France must apologise to the Algerians[1] [2] However the French do not accept the claims. Algeria's President Abdelaziz Bouteflika says that French colonization of his country Algeria was a form of genocide link title. In memoirs, some French officers have described torture of Algerians during the war. Edouard Sablier, for instance, one of the soldiers who took part in the repression, later described the situation: “Everywhere in the towns there were camps surrounded by barbed wire containing hundreds of suspects who had been arrested… Often, when we set out to inspect an isolated hamlet in the mountains, I heard people say, ‘We should punish them by taking away their crops’.” [3] A paper called Ohé Partisans, published by the French Trotskyists, described Sétif as an “Algerian Oradour”. Oradour was a French town where the Nazi occupiers had murdered over 600 people, including children. [4]
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.208.180.240 (talk) 19:28, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genocide 

message: This Israeli site: [JP] writes:"Islamists loot and burn protestant church in Algeria".Agre22 (talk) 23:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Islamists loot and burn protestant church in Algeria

message: Algeria is a trilingual country - we speak Arabic, Berber (Tamazight), and French.  However, the latter two are rather underrepresented on the page. Should French not be mentioned as a "Second Language" on the page, as it is on the Tunisia entry ?  Or the name of the country be listed in the body text of the page in Algerian (colloquial) Arabic and French ?  Arabic is spoken by well over ninety-five percent of all Algerians, French is spoken by nearly two-thirds of the country, according to the OIF, and Tamazight is spoken by a significant population, as well. Why not, then, recognize all three as equally valuable, historically, culturally, and practically ?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.62.105 (talk) 05:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has a tendency to follow the countries official policies. Thus you can see "English" in Madagascar's infofox but not in Sweden's (the fact that most Swedes know English and that most Malagasies don't, is apparently irrelevant), similarly Madagascar is shown on the map of the English-speaking world but Sweden is not. The same goes for Algeria, where French is the second language, but the government's attitude towards  it is schizophrenic because on one hand it detests the French language, and on the other they continue to use it. Aaker (talk) 23:41, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not necessarily true. It follows what reliable sources say about the prevalence of a language in a country and how influential it is. Remember that there is no official language of the USA, but articles in non-English Wikipedias about US government agencies still put the English names in, because English is the de facto language of the USA. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have algerian origines and I don't know why you put english as part of the spoken languages, it's ridiculous ! And the french language is largely used in secondary school, they do not hate french language ! Please remove emglish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.137.171.31 (talk) 17:18, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages 

message: I am going to have a go at re-writing the first two sentences of the Poitics section as at the moment they are a bit confusing Tigerboy1966 (talk) 11:50, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidential Terms 

message: "Author Terrence McKenna has hypothesised Algeria as the source of the myth of the Garden of Eden and the birth of humanity. Before the warming brought on by the Holocene Climatic Optimum around 7,000 years ago, the region contained vast grasslands which, along with the representations of cattle in the Tassili Plateau art, suggests the existence of early forms of pastoral agriculture. This would seem to be a logical precursor to the crop-based agriculture that developed in the Middle East in the agricultural revolution thousands of years later.  
The ancient paintings are also a clear indication of a form of shamanism or religion based on the use of psychedelic mushrooms. This is another reason why the region was proposed by McKenna as the cradle of culture and civilization, as the visions induced by these mushrooms give a powerful impulse towards art, painting and the sense of contact with the supernatural that is the basis of religious belief. "
I added the following earlier today and it was removed arbitrarily by an editor who was not signed it, with no reason given whatsoever. Perhaps if this addition seems too definitive it could be altered. No-one, not even Terrence McKenna himself, claims that his theories are definitely true, but at the same time given the archaeological evidence they are certainly plausible. I believe my addition is thought-provoking and that there is no reason to leave it out.
I'd have to do some investigating but the Arabs arrived in Algeria later than 642...about 20 years later..
:: "Author Terrence McKenna has hypothesised Algeria as the source of the myth of the Garden of Eden and the birth of humanity."... "This is another reason why the region was proposed by McKenna as the cradle of culture and civilization"
::I don't think the piece of text that you added is clear on what it proposes. Does it mean that the myth of "paradise" (as told in the bible/quran/whatever) originated in ancient algeria, or does the cited author propose that civilization or/and the human race itself originated in ancient algeria? Either of these theories must be regarded as very controversial and the whole question of where these phenomena arose is extremely strange because they most likely originate in various palces independently. There is actually considerable consensus on where the first instances of "civilization" are to be located (Egypt, Mesopotamia). Regardless of that isn't this rather speculative material more apropriate for the separate article on Algeria's history?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.234.185.68 (talk) 14:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-History 

message: You will need to find another source. The source doesn't state that literacy plummeted. It states that the use of advanced Arabic plummeted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.222.35 (talk) 10:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  literacy plummeted,[36] while land development uprooted much of the population. 

message: please someone block him/her. keeps changing the GDP  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.197.191 (talk) 00:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP 68.147.201.79 a TROLL 

message: Please edit the reference number 44 from: "http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy_Index_2010_web.pd" to "http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy_Index_2010_web.pdf". I can't edit because the article is blocked.
--KJEFRNNF (talk) 02:51, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please edit reference #44 

message: Doesn't the history section seem a bit long for a country's main article? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 04:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section a bit long? 

message: I was reading over the article just now and the section on "Ottoman rule" seems to be primarily about the Barbary Corsairs and not the overall history of Algeria under Ottoman rule. Some of the text is also redundant (most of the paragraph regarding the Barbarossa brothers). I was wondering if the information about the Barbary Corsairs should either be deleted or put under a new heading? Cheywoodward2 (talk) 22:33, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ottoman History  

message: The fact that "Jazair" means "the islands" in Arabic isn't a plausible etymology, as there are no islands there. The name of the country comes from the city of Algiers which is called natively "Dzayr"; Ziri ibn Manad founded the city and that name is likely derived from his name. Then it was Arabized when reported in Arabic. Does anyone have more info on this? Tachfin (talk) 09:30, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right this seems to be nothing more than a folk etymology. The name is spelled in Tifinagh in an end note since there has been opposition to include it in the main text. Tachfin (talk) 06:01, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the name 

message: Algeria's ethnic groups is well known to it's inhabitants and to historians.  The bulk and overwhelming majority of it's inhabitants are of Arab origin.  Let's be mature and stop ignoring stark reality here folks.  Thank you. (~Canadian2000)
:What matters here is that information is supported by reliable sources, which is the case. 
:Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs; that is we only add material that has been published in reliable sources, it is not our job to decide on what is "reality".
:In addition to The World Factbook, I've found a list of other reliable sources that directly support what you've been trying to delete. There is no justification in Wikipedia to remove reliably-cited verifiable material:
#'Historical records of the Arab conquest, however, suggest that its demographic impact must have been limited (McEvedy 1980). In addition, genetic evidence shows that E3b2 is rare in the Middle East (Semino et al. 2004), making the Arabs an unlikely source for this frequent North African lineage' , PubMed, United States National Library of Medicine
#'The overwhelming majority of the population is Berber but only about 20% actually identify themselves as Berber pp21, Encyclopedia of the Peoples of Africa and the Middle East: L to Z (2009)
#'Even today it is estimated that the majority of the Algerian and Moroccan population is of Berber origin' pp263, Case studies on human rights and fundamental freedoms: a world survey, Volume 1
#'In reality almost all Algerians are Berber in origin' pp10, The Report: Algeria 2008
#'almost all Algerians are Berber in origin' pp9, The Report: Algeria 2011
:Furthermore, respectable historians support this view (Ibn Khaldun, Gabriel Camps, Charles-André Julien) Tachfin (talk) 09:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Algeria's Arab Ethnicity 

message: In the Provinces and districts section, the picture representing each province is missing #43 (Mila). Can someone please edit the picture?Terrorist96 (talk) 03:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you be more clear about the missing ones please? --Dzlinker (talk) 20:30, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omitted province in the picture 

message: Really? seems unusual... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 18:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independence recognized before declared? 

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=NcYrAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Turks+in+Algeria%22&dq=%22Turks+in+Algeria%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HjYDUIezK4iF4gTu1O3zBw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg
"Thus there are no longer any Turks in Algeria, Tunis, or Egypt. In Algeria even the Kulugls, sons of Turks, have disappeared." - Smithsonian report, 1908. Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 21:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Valid, but single and old source. Multiple other sources disagree. "Disappeared" is a suspiciously strong claim. Turks in Algeria is the article to start with. Materialscientist (talk) 23:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, see that article then. Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 00:31, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  After the french invasion, almost every turk run away to his homeland. No turks in Algeria. - Dzlinker (talk) 14:11, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  600,000 to 2 million Turks 

message: Wikipedia was supposed to need sources, why do feel the need to revert my edits.--UnsourcedBlanker222 (talk) 12:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As I explained to you in your talk, it is better to find sources than to remove material. --John (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Because your edits are pointy  --NeilN talk to me 13:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete 

message: I think the French name should be in the infobox, along with the Arabic and Tifinagh name. The French name should be in the lede too. I tried to search for previous discussions, but the search engine didn't seem to find any. Even though French is not an official language, it is clearly a de facto working language of the government
WhisperToMe (talk) 21:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but someone already added it anyway. I think something similar should be added to the Morocco and Algeria pages too.--Cymru123 (talk) 15:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. I think you're mistaking Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia with sub-saharan countries. In the administration, arabic is the only accepted and official language. In court for instance, french is not tolerated and lawyers as well as judges etc... only write/speak in arabic. French is the first foreign language due to the colonization of the Maghreb. However there is a STRONG and HUGE difference between sub-saharan countries, where french is the only lingua franca, and the Maghreb, where french is only used as a second language, in parallel to arabic. In fact, with the new generations, french tends to be less attractive and english is more and more studied and learned.  French is NOT a de facto national language. --Strongful (talk) 17:39, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, I'm not mistaking the situation of French in Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia for those of sub-Saharan countries. I've read through various Algerian government ministry websites. Some are only available in French. I did some research and wrote new content for Languages_of_Algeria#French - The thing is, Maghreb Arabic is not intelligible with MSA Arabic. The mother tongue isn't used in government in the Maghreb any more than it is used in sub-Saharan Africa. MSA Arabic was introduced in the post-colonial era to try to replace French. Some ministries were "Arabized" but not all of them were. While the Justice Department was Arabized, the Ministry of Transport's website is only available in French: http://www.ministere-transports.gov.dz/ - The sourced material from "Languages_of_Algeria#French" should explain everything. The sourced material also says that French is becoming more popular in Algeria, not less, so that contradicts the assertion that, in Algeria, "with the new generations, french tends to be less attractive and english is more and more studied and learned." WhisperToMe (talk) 05:24, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  French in lede

message: I've been browsing the history of that sadly poor article, and a subsection about cinema have been deleted. Another one about arabization had the same issue. Those are important cultural elements concerning Algeria. No explanation were given on the actual tp. I propose to bring them back. -- Chanqariḥa (el εajeeb) 22:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not every edit has to be explained on the talk page. The edit summaries exist for a reason. If you had bothered to read them, you would have known that the cinema section can now be found in Algerian cinema, while much of the Arabization section was deleted because it was unsourced. Hence, I reject your proposal.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  The copy isn't a complete one, content has been omitted. I'll add it back later. For the arabization section, i'm going to search for ressources. Arabization is a fact, algerians were subject to a brutal holocaust as well as an apartheid called Indigénat. arabization purpose was to reverse the consequences of that coloniale policies. So its important to the country's history. cheers -- Chanqariḥa (el εajeeb) 07:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Just make sure that you add them to the proper article, and that they're adequately sourced.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

text: I actually still prefer the schoolgirls, I seriously doubt that the picture you propose is representative of modern Algerian women.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cinema & Arabization sections deleted!! 

message: Is it really necessary? These page notices are rather annoying, they should be used only as last resort--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I placed the notice because there had been a discussion in which I explained on the talk page (Talk:Algeria#French_in_lede) that French needed to be used, and that seemed to be resolved (I engaged in a similar discussion related to Morocco), and yet drive-by editors keep removing it. However there has been an inquiry about my use of page notices at Talk:Emory_University#Location_of_Emory_university.2C_confirming as there is a need to allow anonymous users to be involved in the process, so you may wish to read it. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:36, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Before using something as visible as that we could try with a hidden comment in the wikicode, like ! Perhaps that will be enough.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We could try that out. Unfortunately I've had cases where anonymous users ignored hidden comment codes alone. We could see if the comment alone does the trick, and see what happens... WhisperToMe (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should try that. Besides, if someone is determined to disregard comments in the code, the page notice won't make much of a difference.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: From my understanding page notices tend to jump out more than comments (which is why I used them), but I'll try the code thing and see how it goes WhisperToMe (talk) 05:56, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page notice about the use of French 

message: I'm surprised that this article says virtually nothing about petroleum-industry developments in the modern history of Algeria.  "Hydrocarbons" are given the briefest passing nod, though it's stated that "[Algeria's] economy is oil based" in the article's inroductory paragraphs.  Algeria became independent in 1962, and one would imagine prior to that point that the French would have been extremely interested in the country's oil reserves and probably would have been building infrastructure of some sort (exploration, drilling installations, refinement... what??).  How did this industry develop to be key to the modern economy of the country?
Here's a clue I found in a very quick Google search:
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/211669?uid=3739392&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3737720&uid=4&sid=21101735439911
By the way even the article on French Algeria says nothing about the oil-industry topic, either.
I'm not posting this because I know the story on this subject.  It's just that the article leaves the reader uninformed.  There's a big deficiency.Joel Russ (talk) 16:03, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petroleum topic is badly neglected 

message: The theory of Berber origin is a brand-new hypothesis proposed and self-published online by a person who, apparently only has credentials as a journalist. Not a WP:Reliable Source by Wikipedia standards. The theory may well be true for all I know, and I very much sympathise with the Berbers and dislike Arabisation, but it is still a fringe theory and the author has an obvious nationalist axe to grind, so it shouldn't be on Wikipedia until it becomes more widely accepted. I'm not deleting it personally, because I'm not in the mood for having an edit war with angry nationalists, but somebody should.--91.148.130.233 (talk) 15:05, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: The territory of today's Algeria was the home of many ancient prehistoric cultures, including Aterian and Capsian cultures. Its area has known many empires and dynasties, including ancient Berber Numidians, Carthaginians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arab Umayyads, Berber Fatimids, Berber Almoravids, Berber Almohads and later Turkish Ottomans.
No French and no Zianides ???? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE ? 
Tunisia  
Tunisia (US i/tuːˈniːʒə/ too-nee-zhə or UK /tjuːˈnɪziə/ tew-niz-i-ə; Arabic: تونس‎ Tūnis pronounced [ˈtuːnɪs], officially the Republic of Tunisia[9] (Arabic: الجمهورية التونسية‎ al-Jumhūriyyah at-Tūnisiyyah; French: République tunisienne), is the smallest country in North Africa. It is a Maghreb country bordered by Algeria to the west, Libya to the southeast and the Mediterranean Sea to the north and east.
Tunisia is almost 165,000 square kilometres (64,000 sq mi) in area, with an estimated population of just under 10.7 million. Its name is derived from the capital Tunis located in the northeast. The south of the country is composed of the Sahara desert, with much of the remainder consisting of particularly fertile soil and 1,300 kilometres (810 mi) of coastline.
Tunisia has an association agreement with the European Union and is a member of the Arab Maghreb Union, the Arab League, and the African Union. Tunisia has established close relations with France in particular, through economic cooperation, industrial modernization, and privatisation programs.
In 2011, a revolution resulted in the overthrow of autocratic President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali and the first free elections in the country were held. Since then, Tunisia has been consolidating its young democracy.
I just compare between two version, i see a big difference . Seriously, we can make best of that!!!!!--Great11 (talk) 04:31, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: Not truth that paragraph During the Middle Ages the Berber or Imazighen controlled varying parts of the Maghreb at times even unifying it, as well as overseas conquests of Portugal, Senegal, Spain, Sicily, Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, and Yemen. Great11 (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  section middle age  

message: "Algerian Arabic and Darija:Dzayer, ⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ"
I'm sorry, but "Darija" isn't written in Tifinagh, that name (ⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ) corresponds to Berber. Algerian Arabic and Darija are synonyms. Please, correct.--Il Qathar (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darija? 

message: Copied from IP's talk page: "We don't cherry pick news items to "tragically highlight" social issues. See WP:SYNTH. You're free to add content about social issues but please remember you are writing for an encyclopedia, not a newspaper op-ed." --NeilN talk to me 22:04, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV edits [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Algeria&diff=623919466&oldid=623914777] 

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message: According to infobox, recognised on 3 July 1965 but declared two days later, is that correctly reported? If so it is surely a contradiction in logic. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 07:01, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independence 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In the lede, the Berber name of Algeria is given as "ⵍⵣⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ Dzayer", but the Tifinagh text corresponds to L(e)zzayer. I have also seen ⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ for the Tifinagh, including in a previous version of this article, and also in some Internet pages that are written in Tifinagh. Also, the name of the capital Algiers in Arabic is identical to the country Algeria; is the same true in Tamazight/Tifinagh? The English Wikipedia page for Algiers doesn't say, but the Arabic page for the city gives ⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ in one place and "Lezzayer Tamanaɣt" in another, as well as ⴻⴷⵣⴰⵢⵕ (Edzayerr) specifically for the Shawiya Berber (lang=shy) version for the city name, but gives ⵍⵣⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ for the country name. The French Wikipedia page gives ⵍⴻⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ (Ledzayer) for the city name. The Taqbaylit (Kabyle, lang=kab) page gives "Dzayer naɣ Lzzayer" (with no Tifinagh rendering) for the city, and exactly the same for the country. (I'm assuming from context that "naɣ" is "or".) Even more confusing, the Kabyle page for the country gives the long form of the country name (i.e., People's Democratic Republic of Algeria) as Tagduda Tadzayrit Tamagdayt Taɣerfant, but then as ⵟⴰⴳⴷⵓⴷⴰ ⵜⴰⵎⴻⴳⴷⴰⵢⵜ ⵜⴰⵖⴻⵔⴼⴰⵏⵜ ⵜⴰⵣⵣⴰⵢⵔⵉⵜ, which is the same words in a different order.
I personally have no idea which form(s) is/are correct.  Lincmad (talk) 02:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency in Berber/Tifinagh 

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message: Algeria not mostly berber but there is a lot targi naili and arab most and berber in four wilya only so this what I want to correct it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.102.119.209 (talk) 10:48, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  that not all true 

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message: Hello,
In this article, the official names of Algeria are written in French. This is irrelevant and misleading as it is not a language of Algeria.
Pherhat (talk) 21:52, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing titles in French 

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message: The third paragraph of the lead section says Algeria has the second-largest oil reserves in Africa, but List of countries by proven oil reserves has it behind both Libya and Nigeria in every category. Which one is correct? --63.155.132.85 (talk) 22:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: I'm translating this page to teviki. I have some trouble understanding some parts of the below paragraph. Can someone clarify to me what it means? Particularly highlighted parts.
Algeria is the largest country in Africa, and the Mediterranean Basin. Its southern part includes a significant portion of the Sahara. To the north, the Tell Atlas form with the Saharan Atlas, further south, two parallel sets of reliefs in approaching eastbound, and between which are inserted vast plains and highlands. Both Atlas tend to merge in eastern Algeria. The vast mountain ranges of Aures and Nememcha occupy the entire northeastern Algeria and are delineated by the Tunisian border. The highest point is Mount Tahat (3,003 m).
I really have trouble understanding what the highlited part in the above paragraph says. Some plain English explanation would be awesome!
Thank you
--Criticpanther (talk) 13:25, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify some text in Geography section 

message: I removed this because:
* 1) The Oxford business group is not a reliable source. 2) Even if you consider it reliable, its latest editions (2011, 2015) and its website clearly state that the 99% of the population is considered to be of Arab or Berber descent, with the European minority comprising the remaining 1% of inhabitants.
* The Turkish source (which isn't reliable to start with) says: , which basically translates to: Ethnicity: It is assumed that the majority of the Algerian population (78%) consists of people of Arab ethnicity... The Berbers, which make up 22% of Algeria's population, are composed of groups such as Kabyles, Shawi, Mozabits and Tuaregs.
* The part that starts with  is utter nonsense that has been falsely attributed to a couple of cherry picked sentences about the Ottoman era.
* WP:RS describing Algeria's ethnic makeup as "99% Arab-Berber; less than 1 % European" can be cited ad nauseam.
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thread_title:  Ethnic groups 

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message: Hey,
Someone is constantly inflating the Algerian GDP, even when the source document to IMF states something else. He switches to 400billion whereas in fact its 177.682.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alakagom (talk • contribs) 12:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP Inflation