Talk:San Francisco/Archive 4

message: To see my reasoning for another article, please see Talk:San Diego, California#Repeated boosterism.  The reasoning is the same although the numbers are different.  Thank you. Ufwuct 22:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Changed population estimates

message: Once again there is a proposal to change the Wikipedia's long standing naming convention for US Cities.
There has been a small, but very vocal, and very persistent group of editors who have been trying, without much success, to overturn the "city, state" naming convention for US cities. First they tried at the naming convention level, but failed to achieve consensus for their views. They then changed tactics and tried to change the titles for several US cities, including three failed attempts to move Los Angeles, California, and one each for San Francisco, California and Anaheim, California. The only city that I know where they succeeded (after a couple of different surveys) was Chicago, but even that city has recently been moved back to Chicago, Illinois. 
Now there is a revival of a fairly recent proposal to have the article titles for a small number of cities violate the very long-standing "city, state" naming convention. The discussion and voting are currently going on at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)#Associated Press. Since the past debates have ended up involving a large amount of time for California editors, I hope that they will weigh in on this latest proposal. BlankVerse 11:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you high? I looked at the archive at Talk:Chicago for when you posted this, and do you know what I found? The article was moved to Chicago from Chicago, Illinois, and there was no attempt to move it back. If you're going to make a claim about an article being moved, you have to remember that people can look to see if it was in fact moved. -- R'son-W (speak to me/breathe) 04:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change to the naming conventions for US cities 

message: The Dayton page lists local TV & radio stations by call letters. I think that's a great idea, & should be done here (& on all U.S. city pages, in fact).  Trekphiler 06:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[TV Guide]]

message: I added to the Media section but would b happy to discuss a new page called "History of San Francisco media"
. 67.101.97.68 00:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think spinning off detail at this level to another article would be entirely appropriate.  Folks often complain about the size of the article as it is. --Paul 12:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media Section 

message: Should "San Francisco has the highest percent of its land devoted to parks of any large U.S. city." be included in the beaches and parks section; I didn't know because it says the section is mature. —Christopher Mann McKay 01:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems like a reasonable addition, but the reference provided doesn't mention where this information comes from.  I think we need a better reference before adding it.--Paul 12:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Beaches and parks

message: The mention of Tony Bennett (sp?) just doesn't sound right. Does anyone agree? DocRocks1 05:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense to me.  The sentence with Tony Bennett, the Birdman of Alcatraz, and Rice-a-Roni explains the prior sentence point about San Francisco being well known world wide. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paul.h (talk • contribs) 12:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourism section 

message: Is it pronounced Karney or Kurney? Thanks, --Vanka5 06:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Kurney" is correct.--Paul 14:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kearny Street]] 

message: Most City pages have Sister Cities listed, but this one doesn't. Can someone find them and add them. Thanks. RockRNC 00:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were removed to another page on purpose. —Kyриx 01:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister Cities 

message: Considering the fact that I have come into such a situation that has me searching for San Fransisco's area code, it's probable that others will, too.  If anyone knows the area code, wold they please add it to the article?  If it's already there, it would be nice if someone would kindly direct me to it.--Dark Green 21:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Jive four-one-five" ^_^ -- R'son-W (speak to me/breathe) 04:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Fransisco Area Code 

message: Why is there no information on this? Don't almost every article on a city has it? Manderiko 20:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: I am confused why someone deletes my addition of CCA, California College of the Arts, to the art school section every time I add it?? maxbatt 2:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The CCA entry has been removed at least six times by multiple editors over the last nine months primarily because it is an Oakland based school, not a San Francisco based one.  CCA is listed in the daughter article, and of course, the Oakland article. The SF article used to mention UC Berkeley and Stanford, but those were also removed multiple times for the same reasons. The daughter article was created during the Peer Review and FAC processes to cut down on the number of potentially unending lists.  In deciding how to manage the summary style for colleges and universities, editors chose the criteria of based or founded in San Francisco.  The sole exception is the Cordon Bleu program which was mentioned because of its notoriety in that segment. --Paul 15:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

text: From the CCA website.  The School of the California Guild of Arts and Crafts in Berkeley was founded in Berkeley in 1907, and moved to its campus at Broadway and College Avenue in Oakland in 1922. In 1936 it was renamed California College of Arts and Crafts. The Oakland campus was expanded and improved over the next sixty years, until it first put a facility in San Francisco in 1996 when "the college opened a new permanent San Francisco campus to house the architectural and design programs." I'll admit it isn't black and white, but it seems to be pushing things to call CCA primarily a San Francisco school. It's not that CCA isn't listed -- it's in the daughter article -- it just isn't in the main article, which can't list every school. --Paul 03:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Art School

message: There is no good map showing the internal features of the county, such as the entities listed on Neighborhoods in San Francisco, California, nor the county boundaries and territory, including the outlying areas.  might be a helpful starting place. -- Beland 23:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map request 

message: Why was the standard demographic (and geographic) information deleted? There were some important facts there (proportion of men to women, age distribution, etc.) which are absent in the current version of this article. I wanted to restore it, but seeing that there was a large discussion page, I thought it better to ask here. Would it be a good idea to restore the missing information? --Smeira 13:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a reference as to when this information was deleted.  The demographics section has been essentially unchanged for the last eight months. Any improvement or referenced addition is welcomed. --Paul 14:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographic information? 

message: A different article I've been working on recently underwent a featured article review, and it did not pass, with one of the frequent criticisms by reviewers that the lead section should not be heavily footnoted, but should provide a summary of topics that are cited with references in the body of the article.  So, the San Francisco article has already passed featured article status.  What's with the demand that we footnote undisputed facts (such as the fact that San Francisco is a popular international tourist destination)? That fact was already cited in the article. Can anyone reasonably argue otherwise? -- Sfmammamia 05:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes in lead? 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Support. As the city has already occupied the primary topic, redirection and further disambiguation are not necessary. --supernorton 10:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey