Talk:Beach volleyball

message: Can someone add info on 1.) When scoring switched to Rally scoring; 2.) What years 4 man or woman teams where used; 3.) Whether they have switched from strict double elimination to modified double elimination until the winners and losers brackets each had 2 teams left; and 4.) How the length of the season has changed. TonyTheTiger 18:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which organisation are you referring to? Personally, I wouldn't say that (3) or (4) are particularly notable unless there's something I don't know about here. Cheers --Pak21 20:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expert Information Request 

message: I think this article would really benefit from a section on professional beach volleyball around the world.  Links to the major leagues can be put there, as can any important information about those leagues, differences between them, any rankings of quality, etc. matt91486 23:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Professional

message: Is it permitted to hit a ball a second time after having attempted to block it (and making contact), as it seems like I've seen players do this, which would seem to go against the one-hit-per-player rule TheHYPO (talk) 09:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, not that we're getting down to the pedantic minutiae or anything. --Jasonschock (talk) 05:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blocking? (and other incorrectly stated rules) 

message: Removing Notable Players from the article because it's a mess. There's nothing wrong with mentioning notable people that contributed greatly to the sport, like Charles "Charlie" Saikley (perhaps mentioned in a History section), but a simple "notable players" is just going to be huge subjective list that adds no understanding for the casual reader. Links to AVP or FIVB should allow a reader to discover more about specific players.
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Please see Baseball or Soccer for excellent examples of articles that focus on a high-level view of the sport.
--Jasonschock (talk) 00:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed notable players 

message: Currently, the article states: 
:"People have pointed out that professional beach volleyball is one of the only sports where female athletes are mandated to wear a uniform which does not exceed a certain size, essentially encouraging a "less is best" approach towards female attire, and argue that it is simply a ploy to market the game for viewership and sponsors."
I have read similar statements often in newspapers. However, I could not find anything in the official FIVB rules to support this. Does anybody know the details? Is there really a rule like this, possibly restricted to some competitions? -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 15:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniform Controversy

message: A vandal replaced the Controversy section with garbage: .  The reverter of the vandalism did not replace the section: .  I didn't really like the section anyway, but if the section is not going to be replaced, it would be better done by consensus than in the form of overlooked vandalism. 
Rracecarr (talk) 19:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy section lost, relaced and now RENAMED to "Uniform Controversy" 

message: The responses to criticism in the final para of this section seems a bit unsatisfactory to me. I know nothing about beach volleyball, but what was noticeable to me when I read the section was that the criticism and responses weren't actually addressing quite the same issue. Saying that the uniforms are practical for the heat of summer is akin to saying that similar uniforms are practical in (to use the article's example) pole vaulting. But pole vaulters are not required to wear such uniforms, and are free to "cover up" if they want. The section needs a (referenced) quote from a prominent figure defending, specifically, the requirement for maximum clothing sizes, because it is that, specifically, which is given as the main criticism. Loganberry (Talk) 23:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy section 

message: It looks to me as if two reasonably respectable sources (CNN and ABC News) say, at length, that there is some sort of controversy therefore there is some sort of controversy. It is my opinion that the section is reasonably well written and is not WP:UNDUE and can stay more or less as is. --Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 17:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of time went by with no added comments after the third opinion voted for inclusion of the uniform controversy section.  As such, I will return the last fact-checked version to the article.--TjoeC (talk) 22:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Third Opinion

message: See Baseball and Soccer for excellent examples from featured articles.
Please add sections:
* Overview
* History
* Rules and Gameplay
* Governing Bodies
* International and domestic tour organization and structure
* Popularity
* Lifestyle
--Jasonschock (talk) 00:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please expand this article 

message: I think the stuff at the bottom of this page detracts from the article. It's visually noisy, it looks "cheap", and it's tagged on like some kind of afterthought. What does it really add to the understanding of the sport?
Wouldn't it be better to link to this kind of highly-detailed info on another page and leave this page clean and high-level?
Again, see Baseball and Soccer as examples of highly-developed sports topics. 
--Jasonschock (talk) 00:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding junk at the bottom of the page 

message: "You talk to any player and if they were told they could only win one tournament in their whole career, everybody would choose it to be here in Manhattan. There's an extra fire among all the players."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonschock (talk • contribs) 07:24, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karch quote moved here 

message: There is already entire page devoted to beach volleyball at the Olympics. The preferred way to handle this on Wikipedia is to simply link to it, rather than have redundant information. --Jasonschock (talk) 02:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but you have deleted information.  Nowhere on Wikipedia, as far as I can tell, can you now find the names of the winners of the 1992 Olympic exhibition competition. Rracecarr (talk) 13:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fine, then put that information on the Olympics page. It does not belong here. --Jasonschock (talk) 21:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

text:  Exhibition info moved to Olympics page. It's a lot more helpful if you just move this kind of stuff yourself, rather than complaining about it being deleted and replacing it. Thanks. --Jasonschock (talk) 21:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The point is, as I have already said, there are tons of games that are played recreationally and competitively in various places.  Only a small handful are contested at the Olympics.  The fact that beach volleyball is an Olympic sport is notable for that reason, and the fact belongs in the lead.  On a side note, it also sets beach volleyball apart from other variations of volleyball which are not as widespread, like, say, wallyball. Rracecarr (talk) 04:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympics 

message: The reason why we leave this out is because this is general treatment on the game of beach volleyball. The playing of the sport at the Olympics is but one small aspect of the game. It is also played:
* Internationally on the FIVB tour
* Domestically on the AVP tour
* Recreationally
If anything, this article needs to stay abstracted from the particulars of organized competition and instead link to related tours, organizations, tournaments, events, etc.
It's great that it is an Olympic sport. To mention this in the lead, however, gives undue weight to a small facet of the sport.
--Jasonschock (talk) 22:26, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is, as I have already said, there are tons of games that are played recreationally and competitively in various places.  Only a small handful are contested at the Olympics.  The fact that beach volleyball is an Olympic sport is notable for that reason, and the fact belongs in the lead.  On a side note, it also sets beach volleyball apart from other variations of volleyball which are not as widespread, like, say, wallyball. Rracecarr (talk) 04:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the mention of Olympics in the lead 

message: This section sorely needs a rewrite.
Good stuff to write about would be:
* General characteristics of beach volleyball gameplay: shots, sets, movement on sand, ability to dive on sand, jumping ability
* Fundamentals
* The court
* Sand type and depth
* Beach volleyball strategy
Input from experts would be appreciated. User:Rracecarr?
--Jasonschock (talk) 22:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add to Rules and gameplay section 

message: The statement "Kerri Walsh and Misty May-Treanor, who won two consecutive gold medals in 2004 and 2008 Summer Olympics, were named "the greatest beach volleyball team of all time". had a reference:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/beachvolleyball/news/newsid=242746.html
which is a nice video, but I didn't hear the claim. I replaced it with

which does make the claim.
--SPhilbrickT 15:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replaced ref 

message: Dismayed that the link to modern beach volleyball in this section takes you to what is essentially an ad for volleyball 1 on 1, a private pay website. Karinagw (talk) 21:39, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifestyle & Culture 

message: I disagree about setting standards being characterized as tighter.  I think they are better characterized as different--tighter on double contacts but a bit more lenient on lifts. Mingjai (talk) 21:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tighter setting standards 

message: There are different dates given for when the sport began (1915 and 1920). I have no idea which is correct -- can someone clarify? WilliamWQuick (talk) 15:43, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Was this present but deleted by some overzealous editor? Or just nonexistent, not ever? Wouldn't mind adding some stuff - just wanna make sure it won't get deleted right away by someone trigger-happy... I think it's necessary since there really is some awesome stuff out there, plus a lot of the people interested in beach volleyball got into it specifically because of how those stories inspired them. Because, dear teenage editors who might not know better - this stuff wasn't on TV and in the olympics like soccer or basketball for the previous generation. All that is pretty new. For older fans and players, you either hung around a beach and got pulled into it from wathcing... or you saw it in a movie and got curious and looked it up. It had no stars (or, rather, each court had its own), and the only widely-known "player" was whichever actor's character was last seen playing it in the most recent successful blockbuster (like Tom Cruise in "Top Gun" for the 80s, etc.). 208.127.70.219 (talk) 11:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  No list of prominent beach volleyball themes movies, novels, comics, etc.? ...Seriously?! 

message: In the History section - after mentioning Volleyball Magazine, the article says, "first story had to do with natalie." I saw that this was copied from the Weebly article. I have no clue who or what natalie is. Any objections to removing it? Sturmavik (talk) 05:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Natalie? 

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