Talk:Jewish state

message: It's used all the time and everywhere in the American, Canadian, Australian, British and of course Israeli media to refer to Israel. Who takes issue with this? It's somewhat dishonest to say it's "controversial" if it's only anti-Zionists and Arabs who take issue with it. --Daviddwd (talk) 04:26, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you read ref1 in the article, and also WP:WORLDVIEW. Also, bear in mind that stating that "topic X is not controversial because everyone on one side of the argument is agreed" is a logical fallacy. Oncenawhile (talk) 16:24, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: David, the term "Jewish State" is controversial to many people in Israel because of the "Jewish State bill" the incumbent Israeli government is pursuing, which will, if passed, explicitly make the state for Jews first and foremost—the "Jewish" part of "Jewish and democratic state" would be effectively put ahead of the "democratic" part. Everybody else will be second-class citizens presumably (in many ways they already are in practice, at least inasmuch as how they are perceived in mainstream Israeli society—the state is technically secular but in practice Orthodox Judaism has massive political clout). Hopefully the courts will strike this law down as unconstitutional as it risks, in my view, paving the way to a Halachic state, something absolutely at odds with Israel's founding principles. I volunteered for the IDF from abroad, incidentally, so I don't think I could be called an anti-Zionist. —  Cliftonian (talk)  05:37, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

text: By the way, is not it so much different... I mean, you say Halachic, but secular ideology, isn't it partucularly Israeli? I mean, in the article it is about how Zionist founders envisioned smth secular, modeled after Europe, but right now the end result is it such as they claimed they promote? I mean, I've been in Israel, it is not Europe clearly. And that the Orthodoxes are not just in politics, this in some way is everywhere. Not that you couldn't eat a pizza, but somehow more or less this is everywhere, the priority of Jewishness, of what is to be Jewish and all. You probably are all into that, since you volunteered to the army. It all IMO is about how 'Israel is not' while in truth it is not at all that way, in reality. Like if you say Israel is modern, civilized and secular... probably just modern, stuff is modern. Yuri Kozharov (talk) 23:15, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why/how/to whom is the term "Jewish State" controversial?  

message: Palestinians regard acceptance of the demand as giving up the [Palestinian Arab's] right of return [to Palestinian Territories].[8] Yuri Kozharov (talk) 23:15, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird sounding, who's right of return Palestinian recognition of 'Jewishness' of the state is obstructing 

message: “…as has the government of his successor Benjamin Netanyahu.” should be changed to “…as did the government of his successor Benjamin Netanyahu.”
Explanation: Netanyahu is no longer PM. Junglefingers (talk) 22:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲(talk) 06:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 August 2021