Talk:Jarisch–Herxheimer reaction

message: I'm considering that perhaps this article should be labeled as a "stub." There's very little information in it, and by properly categorizing it as a stub, it can get more attention and develop into a more well-rounded article. Any thoughts on this? 'Kash 20:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub? 

message: The following comment was added to the article
This entire article is wrong! This is absolutely not the Herxheimer reaction. The Herxheimer reaction is an immunological response to breakdown of spirochete bacteria. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.218.32.161 (talk • contribs) .
I have changed the  tag to  and moved the comment here for futher discussion. Thoughts? --TeaDrinker 20:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a few references for spirochete infection.  You hear about people talking about candida/yeast and the herxheimer, and maybe it's possible, but there's nothing in medline to support it. I'm not sure about the toxin stuff because my understanding is that the Herxheimer may result from the immune system's response to toxins released from the dying spirochetes. Not sure about this though. 75.27.149.92 20:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment from article 

message: "The Herxheimer reaction . . . occurs when . . . toxins are released into the body as bacteria . . . die, often due to antibiotic treatment and rarely due to the use of colloidal silver."
This is somewhat unclear. I'm not informed about this subject, or I would change it to what it means; but I propose that it be changed (by someone who *does* know) to one of the following, or something that has the same effect (this is only the last clip of the quote):
* "bacteria . . . die, often due to antibiotic treatment, or, rarely (or some appropriate adverb), due to the use of colloidal silver."
or
* "bacteria . . . die, often due to antibiotic treatment and rarely due to the use of colloidal silver, which some claim to be the cause (or something like that)."
I have the feeling that the first option is the correct one, but, as I might be missing a third or multiple other options, I'll leave this to someone with the necessary knowledge. — KyleP 20:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarity 

message: I say this in the interest of NPOV:
The Jarisch-Herxheimer Reaction is not "alternative medicine" per se. It is in the Goljan Pathology board review book, a standard medical text.  It is discussed with respect to the treatment of Syphilis specifically.  I first heard of it in the context of a discussion about Systemic Candidiasis (i.e. a fungus), which may account for it's label as "alternative medicine." My opinion is that non-mainstream physicians get accused of over-diagnosing Systemic Candidiasis, but that is only because main-stream physicians are under-diagnosing it.  I just got my Candida titers back from the lab and they were definitely high, so my physician (an MD who is board certified in Internal Medicine) put me on fluconazole for 4 days. I felt a bit sick but for awhile but I am okay now.  The concept is important clinically but I do agree that this article should be stripped of any tacit advertisement of colloidal silver and any other claims should be identified as just that, claims.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.152.86 (talk) 00:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative Medicine Bashing? 

message: looks like a good source, but I have no access to it. JFW | T@lk 10:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review on mechanisms and prevention 

message: Is the reaction harmful (i.e., can it cause death or permanent disability?) or merely unpleasant? Bwrs (talk) 01:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Severity? 

message: Proposal to move this to Jarisch-Herheimer reaction as this would appear to be the preferred terminology in medical circles. Arfgab (talk) 13:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jarisch-Herxheimer ? 

message: It is not clear that the reaction is caused by endotoxin.  Since it is not a gram negative bacteria and reports of the reaction have been found without any endotoxin in the blood (http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/256/3/388.abstract), toxin should be the terminology used.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.27.172 (talk) 18:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not an endotoxin