Talk:Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades

message: is this a joke? 
and the guy that was interviewed in Bruno is NOT a leader of Al-Aqsa! see http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/entertainment/palestinian-terrorist-not-amused-over-bruno-cameo-20090729-e0f8.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.175.139 (talk) 16:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bruno section?

message: There are basically two sides on the legality of Israel (so far as international law goes).  The first is that the 1947 partition recommendation, if ratified in the UN, would establish a legal "State of Israel" within the partition lines.  The other is that Israel, in going to war in 1948 and declaring it's independance, actually lost it's charter, and doesn't exist legally.  A third, Zionist version, exists, in which Israel exists legally in a way comparable to something like France.  This is the position that gets the media-time and such, but has no standing in International Law.
Aside from it not making grammatical sense, postulates that Israel should not exist because of its participation in the war of 1948.  I encourage all readers to go to the Wikipedia information on this war and examine this for themselves.  I think all historically accurate information on this war shows how the land that is now considered Israel was split up by the UN in 1947 to contain both Arab land sections and Israeli land sections, and that Jerusalem was to be a UN protectorate.  Immediately after this happened, the Israeli land sections were attacked on all sides by several Arab countries.  Israeli lands responded to this attack, and in the end, the Israeli fighters won 200 percent of their original land sections and created much of what we know as Israel today.  I don't know of many who dispute this history with any real credibility.  Since this land mass was originally partioned by the UN after British disengagement and then fought over in a war, it does seem that the victors were the Israelis.  Also, I feel it is important to mention that when the Palestinians were offered 97 percent of the land mass back that they wanted to form an independent state, they denied the offer, and denied it more than once.
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please do not delete the poster refrence, this is no joke. this is very important to understand the full context of the conflict. On one hand, we have israeli soldiers with mandatory recruitment post senior year (turning the army into basically a college dorm), on the other hand we have palestinian soldiers (also same age) doing LOTS i mean LOTS of self promotional posters with cheesy photoshop "cloud" skies, giant view camera angles, and lens flare suns or lens flares on the dome of the rock. These things may be funny, but they are certainly a perspective which we do not hear about much when this conflict is discussed. I was in Bethlehem during the Israeli elections, and it was complete under lock down during the day, which made it look like a giant ghost town. All over almost every boarded shut store front however, were these faded promotional posters of like various small groups of men, in the exact same style as rap album covers.
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Yesterday I removed the following phrase "the civilian status of Israelis is desputed internationally." What does it mean? I am pro-Palestinian, I support the right of Palestinians to carry out guerrilla warfare against the Israeli security forces for as long as the occupation continues (hence my changing of "terrorist" to "militant" in this article), as do many people worldwide. But I've never heard many non-Palestians (excluding Islamic extremists) claim that unarmed men, women and  going about their everyday lives are not civilians. Even many who support the murder of civilians, or carry it out, still acknowledge that the civilian status of their victims. Just because a country has conscription does not mean unarmed civilians not on military service are legitimate targets. Children and babies are definently not legitimate targets. Using the logic implied in the statement I removed, the Israeli government could argue that there is no such thing as a Palestinian civilian because any one of them could be a non-uniformed guerrilla.
Kingal86 17:04, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: This statement from the previous objector

message: After Arafat died, the Al-Aqsa Brigades renamed themselves to: Brigrades of Martyr Yasser Arafat or Al-Shaid Yasser Arafat Brigades. What do you think about renaming the page's name as well? (the al-aqsa brigadeds will be a redirect to the new page). MathKnight 11:21, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving article to different name 

message: Isn't the name of Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades somewhat connected to goodman's shooting in 1981?
: I don't know about that shooting but the Al-Aqsa Brigades were formed on 2000. It might be that the Fatah\PLO - mother organiations for the Brigades, were involved. MathKnight 17:52, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Alan Harry Goodman]] 

message: If (some consider) HAMAS is a terrorist group, why none objected that this group called militant rather than terrorist? I think yhis group done the same thing that HAMAS done.202.69.101.170 07:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why not terrorist?

message: Admittedly my understanding of this subject is not thorough, but is it NPOV to list Barghouti here as the high commander of Al-Aqsa Brigades without any qualifying statements, given that he categorically denies involvement with Al-Aqsa? From what I've gathered he was the leader of Fatah, Al-Aqsa's parent body, in the West Bank, and his conviction on murder charges as leader of Al-Aqsa is widely contested. It's plenty true that he was convicted, but it seems that if there is a vocalized contention that he was not in fact the organization's leader or even a participant, the negating claim deserves mention anyplace that the connection is asserted. Here is a reference for context:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1473585.stm
I am adding a clarifying sentence to the section that mentions him.Brrryan 21:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Marwan Barghouti]]

message: . . . and this article, like most articles on Zionistpedia, is wrong, Wrong, WRONG!  I was at ground zero when the Israelis attacked Ramallah on January 4, 2007, and members of the Al Aqsa Brigade were the only persons who protected my life while the Israelis came in with both guns a blazin', illegally using military force in the middle of a civilian vegetable market in complete disregard of both human life and international law.  Stop posting pro-zionist propaganda about a cause you know nothing about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.88.70.156 (talk • contribs).
:This is certainly not our intention. We are trying to create a neutral unbiased encyclopedia here. If you can point us to where you think we are going wrong, please do, it would be appreciated. AndrewRT(Talk) 20:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Interviewed the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade 2 Weeks Ago . . . 

message: I think this is one of the odd effects you get when you mix languages, but it is common usage to have a double article. al-Aqsa is the Palestinian term for Jerusalem, or more specifically, the al-Aqsa Mosque - literally the furthest mosque. However the 2nd intifada is generally known as The al-Aqsa Intifada. (see  and ). Other examples of this double article is seen in the article Smithy code which refers to "the The Da Vinci Code copyright case" and phrases such as "the El Niño weather system" and "the Le Mans circuit". AndrewRT(Talk) 20:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The al-Aqsa Intifada 

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message: The quote "It is disputed whether or not the brigades have a direct relationship with the leaders of Fatah" is not supported by the reference, the Council on Foreign Relations, so I removed it. There is really no serious reason to continue the charade regarding the creation and financing of the Martyrs' Brigades.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.200.35 (talk) 22:43, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Fatah and Arafat

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message: Bnei Brak shooting occurred in 2022. There is currently a typo in the year.
Additionally, in a video statement, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the April 29, 2022 Ariel settlement drive-by-shooting perpetrated by two Palestinian assailants that claimed the life of an Israeli 23-year old male security guard stationed at the settlement entrance.
 
https://www.timesofisrael.com/guard-killed-in-w-bank-terror-attack-shielded-girlfriend-with-his-body-saving-her/
https://twitter.com/NewpressPs/status/1520222299483426817?s=20&t=MKee9cKzQj_4Pch4j9mtgg
https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/1520224843701968903?s=20&t=MKee9cKzQj_4Pch4j9mtgg
--theraefactor (talk) 15:59, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Activities edit request 

message: In the last line of the first paragraph of the Militant Activities section, there's a very strange date, namely "0 February 2004". Please explain. Editrite! (talk) 22:11, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange date 

message: In 2022 this group had activities like shooting and bombing against isreal occupation force.edit needed to add this new fights. 5.215.103.193 (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New operations 

message: The al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades are a major belligerent in the 2023 Israel-Hamas war and its spillover in the West Bank.   
Naturally, this would warrant inclusion in the Wikipedia article about them. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 18:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Brendan ❯❯❯ Talk 05:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participation in 2023 Israel-Hamas war 

message: it appears, from page history, that @64.126.87.110 has added the info "socialism" to infobox in 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Aqsa_Martyrs%27_Brigades&oldid=593479579), from since then nobody ever provided source for this information. I request that a citation, a "citation needed" or removal of this erroneous information must be done. Cactus Ronin (talk) 02:51, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed as WP:FAIL. —Sirdog (talk) 07:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 October 2023 

message: Please could you remove the paragraph about Sacha Baron Cohen following safety concerns. Jjlevene (talk) 10:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you elaborate on why? Note that Wikipedia is not censored. Liu1126 (talk) 11:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Not done: no reason given for the proposed removal. M.Bitton (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 November 2023 

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replies: text: M.Bitton (talk) 18:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2023 

message: Much like how the al-Qassam Brigades page possesses an infobox and list of engagements, we should add one listing the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades engagements and allies & opponents in them. It should include the Second Intifada, Israel-Gaza Conflict, specific engagements within that in the current war, 2021, 2014, 2012, & 2009. We should list Israel, PA security forces (in 2020s) as opponents & other armed groups (i.e. al-Qassam, Saraya, Abu Ali Mustafa etc.) & PA security forces in the 2000s as allies.
(no if you're wondering they didn't participate in the 2007 Battle of Gaza, iirc) Gavv523 (talk) 21:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox & Conflicts 

message: The content added by  and removed by  probably should be partially kept or kept with revisions. It was more thoroughly cited than most of what's already here, and certainly less out of date. 
Enemy of Israel seems sort of implied? 
There was a source for militant allies, and plenty of other pages here have further sources. But skip the dates, i suspect the Hamas alliance might be 2007. They seem to have maybe switched sides when Fatah and Hamas had a minor civil war, but it's a bit hard to tell. So just it as current ally with no date?
Enemy of PA needs a source, but a source probably exists? But it seems to be a bit fluctuating. 
I know they're not a listed terror group in Australia, so they was correctly committed, we only list Hamas and PIJ (I think expanding from Al-Qassam to Hamas is recent), not sure about the rest but it should be easy to find and whatever we find it in well likely be a good source for all the unsourced "listed terror group in" on other pages. 
Irtapil (talk) 19:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed content 

message: * What I think should be changed: Please remove Australia from "Designated as a terrorist group" 
* Why it should be changed: It's not supported by the references in the text, and Australia's list of terrorist organisations doesn't include Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades or Fatah.
* References: Listed terrorist organisations in Australia. 
LagoonGoose (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Skitash (talk) 18:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. LagoonGoose (talk) 19:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not designated terrorists in Australia