Wikipedia talk:Upload/Uploadtext/Archive 1

message: The new thumb-syntax should be integrated into the MediaWiki-upload text, because it could prevent uploading a small and a large version of an image, because it is not needed anymore. I.e. the syntax  could be recommended. Stern 19:47, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

message: I propose to remove the contents of this page (I have moved all the information to Wikipedia:Uploading images) and replace it with the following. — Timwi 14:50, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what exactly you're asking for, since the form fields "Filename:", "Summary:", and the "Upload file" submit button, should be pretty self-explanatory. Nevertheless, thanks for your suggestion, I'll try to add something that comes to mind. — Timwi 00:12, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant the instructions on how to add the image to the article. I've replaced these now. Angela. 04:03, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)
Ahhh, my eyes. This text is too big and too purple. No one is going to bother reading it now. Dori | Talk 14:49, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)
Wow.  This is such an improvement over the current, looks-like-fineprint version.  I'm going to try to get enough consensus to get this implemented.  If you are reading this because a message from me sent you to this page, please look over the Timwi's version above, and if you feel able to support it, please add your sig below (with whatever comments you feel moved to make).  Let's get this fixed! JesseW, the juggling janitor 20:26, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Simple version

message: Michael Snow implied in Wikipedia:Village pump#Unverified images that there is some effort underway to revise the upload form. I gather this is where it's being discussed. I would ask that any such effort also include (if it doesn't already) revision of all pages that talk about uploads as if they are always images. As an example, Special:Upload says "See Wikipedia:Uploading images for information on how this upload form works". It's not enough just to tweak the article text to include brief mentions of other formats. When I first used that form to upload an image, I had the impression after reading the entire form (yes, I'm one of those who RTFMs) that Wikipedia did not support sound, which turned out not to be true. (If I had known at the time what an "ogg" file was, I could have inferred that sound was supported, but I would argue that even mentioning more widely-known WAV files in passing does not correct the fundamental bias toward image uploading that remains in upload-related pages.) I would be bold and make the changes myself, except that I don't want to interfere with an existing process that I know nothing about. (Also, I'm still recovering from bruises I received during my attempts to broaden the Wikipedia:Sound text. ☺) — Jeff Q 14:26, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generalizing upload descriptions 

message: The instructions for uploading images are unclear as to where the image description should be added.
I wasn't sure if I should type my multi-line description into the summary box, or if uploading the
image would take me to another page where I should then enter the description. Eoghan 20:04, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instructions for description page unclear 

message: "By uploading a file to which you hold the copyright, you agree to licence it under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License."
This is not exactly correct. Say I upload something and release it under a compatible Creative Commons license, or some other free license. I have not licensed it under the GFDL, I've licensed it under the other license. Can someone reword this? I can't think of a better way of saying this right now. Dysprosia 03:51, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: The bullet point specifying the licence doesn't seem to be working anymore.  It displays as "Specify the licence of the file by adding the appropriate tag(s), e.g. {{}}, {{}}, etc.".  I assume that this is because the  doesn't work for this.  Could someone please fix this back?  Thanks.  JYolkowski // talk 21:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you use  it works. Alphax τεχ 04:27, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template error 

message: If it's true that there are legal problems with granting stuff into the PD (Wikipedia:Granting work into the public domain), then perhaps the text on this page should be altered to say "if you own the copyright, you must either license it under the GFDL, or grant it into the PD or otherwise release all rights to the work."  This would allow copyright holders/uploaders to use tags like .  kmccoy (talk) 23:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  PD/release all rights 

message: I suggest that these instructions mention Wikipedia:Picture tutorial or Wikipedia:Images briefly but prominently.  See Wikipedia:Help_desk#Disappeared_image_of_Green_Anole where a novice user thought that, "you could go to the page that you wanted the image to reside, and just click upload, and Bingo it would be there." Bovlb 19:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a reasonable idea.  I added a bolded intro and reference to wikipedia:images to the "how to use it" bullet.  Good enough? -- Rick Block (talk) 23:02, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me.  Thanks, Bovlb 23:50, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose adding image tutorial 

message: please change image to :Image:Commons-logo.svg --Paddyez 16:18, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: The current notice is very unreadable, and often ignored.  Here's my draft of a radically cut version.
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I now prefer Rick Block's version below, so I've removed my old draft.  Feel free to review the old one here. JesseW, the juggling janitor 01:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 2nd version.  Moved stuff around a bit, added link to Wikipedia:Uploading images (where all the detailed info should go).  I am also proposing some changes in MediaWiki:Fileuploaded(the text that appears after a file is successfully uploaded), and MediaWiki:Fileexists(the warning you get when the name already exists). JesseW, the juggling janitor 19:49, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I'd suggest removing the text "indefinitely without warning", we don't want to scare people too much.  I'd also like to see a link to Wikipedia:Image use policy.  Other than that it looks good.  JYolkowski // talk 21:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also like to link to the IUP, but I'm not sure how best to include it(and it is prominently linked from the Uploading images page); feel free to suggest ways to include it here... JesseW, the juggling janitor 01:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I think it's important to include the caution against uploading random images found on the internet.  And, does it have to come in 3 different colors?  I suggest we use size and/or font to distinguish the important stuff vs. the really important vs. the really REALLY important.  For example, this version. -- Rick Block (talk) 00:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I am sorry that I forgot to mention it on the Admin's noticeboard(I don't read it regularly, so I didn't think of it.) I will do so in the future.  Regarding how to use images, this is on the Successful upload page(MediaWiki:Fileuploaded) and I've now added it to the linked help page(Wikipedia:Uploading images).  Is that sufficient?  I'd rather not have it here, as it distracts from the central purpose of this page, which is to say how and what to upload, rather than how to use the images afterward. JesseW, the juggling janitor 19:52, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Note that MediaWiki:Fileuploaded is only displayed if you overwrite an image with another one.  But I agree that a thorough explanation on Wikipedia:Uploading images is preferable to trying to explain wiki syntax here.  dbenbenn | talk 17:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Re: Wikimedia commons: Could you change the text to Please upload all files with a free license (no fair use!) to Wikimedia Commons instead, a shared repository of content that can be used on all Wikimedia projects in all languages. There is simply no reason to upload free files to local wikipedias anymore. // Fred-Chess 13:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

text: This is a terrible change, IMO. What about people who agree to let anyone use it for any purpose but retain the copyright? What about people who upload it under an attribution or attribution-sharealike Creative Commons licence? What then? We should replace this with "you must license it under a free licence or release it into the public domain". I'm not sure what Wikipedia: page defines a "free licence" -- if there isn't one, there should be. But nevertheless, this currently pretty much reads like a "f*** off" to people who don't want to release their images under the GFDL or into the public domain. It has to go. Johnleemk | Talk 07:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drastic cut proposed 

message: I have amended the language so that users repeatedly uploading images with no license declaration are also warned that they can be blocked.  This seems to me common sense - such blocks are already being doled out to problem users that repeatedly violate this, on the basis that it is a disruption. If anyone has a problem with this, just revert and we can discuss further. Regards, Fawcett5 16:15, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New language added 

message: Could someone who understands the image upload page please take a look at this discussion  and see if they can help out? Appreciated. Trollderella 21:27, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: File upload confusion - help needed...

message: I'd like to propose a few changes to this page.  See my proposed version directly below my post.  I think that the advantages of this version are that it:
*arranges things in an IMHO more logical fashion and streamlines the wording
*mentions the need for a fair use rationale
*asks people to provide URLs for both source and the licencing information
Let me know what you think.  Thanks, JYolkowski // talk 21:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change 

message: How would you feel if I added a direct link to the page that allows uploading to the Commons? --  Denelson83  04:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  JYolkowski // talk 22:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and was coming here to do that actually. I just watched a novice user trying to upload something and when they clicked that link it was obvious that their expectation was to be taken to another upload page, not the generic commons page (which was confusing for them). I'm going to change it now since a couple people agree, if anyone disagrees feel free to change it back and we can talk about it more :D - cohesion★talk 05:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: There is an example of what I think would be good. It's a little repetitive, but it might be helpful to drive the point home that you will be clicking to another "site" I'll leave that up for a few days to see what people think then change it if there are no objections. - cohesion★talk 05:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direct link to Commons upload 

message: This really needs to be updated, how is that done? Specifically  is very dangerous, most people seem to be using it for anything they find online, I don't really think it's intended use is even common enough to warrant inclusion. :Category:Screenshots of web pages is very full of incorrectly tagged images. - cohesiont 07:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is MediaWiki:Licenses.  I've removed . JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, now all that's left is cleaning out the category, haha :) - cohesiont 08:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drop down menu 

message: On the one hand, I think the recent additions are well-meant and add some clarity, but this page is getting too long again.  It required drastic downsizing before and it's getting that way again -- people simply won't read a long list of bullet-points of instructions.  If the idea is to scare them away from uploading instead of wasting our time with images we can't use for whatever reason, it might work, but as it is now, I can't even see the actual form for uploading on my screen, as it's pushed down far below the instructions.  Is there some way we can trim this back to the barest essentials, please?  — Catherine\talk 20:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about the following?  Feel free to add/change. -- Rick Block (talk) 21:42, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like this, but that red box might be useful, it hasn't really been up long enough to tell though, I wouldn't want to take it down before we can see if it helps with the problem. - cohesiont 21:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I've strengthened the caution, since it's not just an issue of compatibility. -- Rick Block (talk) 15:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice!  — Catherine\talk 01:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too long?

message: The part about uploading to Wikimedia Commons links to commons:Special:Login, but that link is broken and should be changed to commons:Special:Userlogin. (It's protected, so I can't fix it myself...) --Tifego 19:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. -Splashtalk 00:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikimedia Login link 

message: I propose we change:
:If the file is available online, include a link.
to something like this (hopefully somebody can say the same thing, while being more concise):
:If the file is available online, include a link to the specific page it is on, and also give a link directly to the image.
I find a lot of people are giving a link to the home page of a web site where they got the image, and the image is not on that page.  Or they give a link directly to the image, but you can't see the page it was found on, so you can't find any actually information about the copyright.   --Rob 19:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  (I'm the one who wrote the current version quoted above.)  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest:  Change source wording