Talk:Sword and planet

message: Does John Russell Fearn's "Mars Quartet" belong in this genre?  Answer: No, the Fearn books are more like bad Van Vogt pastiche, with body/mind transfers and UFOs, violating all physical laws.  Very bad. 
Changed "Eric John Stark series" to "Skaith series"; first, because only the Skaith books (Ginger Star, Hounds, Reavers) actually form a real series, and the other Stark stories are barely connected with them (except for the hero having the same name); second, because only the Skaith books, being basically fantasy set on another planet, qualify as "Sword and planet" stories, while the other Stark stories are really space opera/planetary romance. RandomCritic 17:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: This page seems to duplicate much of the content of the Planetary Romance page.  Should the pages be merged?  Or, should the substantive content from this page be moved to Planetary Romance and this page redesigned as a list of Planetary Romance/Sword and Planet books?  AusJeb 19:12 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Totally. Silverwood (talk) 09:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Planetary Romance?

message: Do you think it qualifies?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:10, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Empire of Man]]

message: I should think that Leigh Brackett's The Sword of Rhiannon is an example of sword and planet, as is Manly Wade Wellman's novella Sojarr of Titan, from the March 1941 issue of Startling Stories. Neither are part of a "series", though, and it seems like you've set that up as an (I think somewhat odd) criteria for the genre. 
I don't want to step in on your page, but I thought I'd forward those two titles for your consideration. Iquander (talk) 08:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sword of Rhiannon 

message: "The phrase appears to have first been coined in the 1960s by Donald A. Wollheim, editor of Ace Books, and later of DAW Books at a time when the genre was undergoing a revival." 
Appears to have been?  Either it was or it wasn't -- the term should have a definite provenance, if the reader is not to wonder whether this is just some ad-hoc genre label that really doesn't deserve treatment in an article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 (talk) 04:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentation needed 

message: it seems that the comic book series 'storm' by don lawrence should fit right in  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.92.117.233 (talk) 20:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Storm

message: I just looked at the page out of curiousity, so I don't think I'm qualified to decide what should stay and what should go, but the ToC looks awful and the list takes more space than the article.
Overhaul anyone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.199.128 (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing of examples 

message: "the term should have a definite provenance, if the reader is not to wonder whether this is just some ad-hoc genre label that really doesn't deserve treatment in an article."
I stumbled across this page and am baffled by its existence.  In light of the other comments on this page, I am, in fact, baffled by its continued existence.  In a lifetime of reading SF, I've never heard of the term.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.132.153.221 (talk) 16:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seriously, are you kidding? 

message: The Morgaine Cycle, CJ Cherryh's first-published series, is a definite example of the S & P genre--in fact, I arrived at this page from that of the meta-series to which the Morgaine Cycle later came to belong, the Alliance-Union universe, as S&P was used to describe the Morgaine Cycle and one other sub-series. I don't have the time at the moment to scare up publishing dates and get the formatting right, but may do so later. If anyone else is willing to add it to the list I'll thank them profusely.YarLucebith (talk) 07:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cherryh's Morgaine Cycle 

message: Is "Glory Road" an example?
Drsruli (talk) 05:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert E Heinlein 

message: Our article claims "The phrase appears to have first been coined in the 1960s by Donald A. Wollheim". I couldn't verify it. The best I have is the doctoral thesis here that states in a footnote: "Donald A. Wollheim, editor of the first such anthology, Swordsmen in the Sky (New York, Ace Books, 1964) is rumoured to have coined the term, though the back cover of the anthology uses the term ‘sword-and-wonder’.". The thesis, sadly, does not cite a source for this "rumour", and I can't help but wonder if the source of this informaiton is not Wikipedia... (the claim was added to the article by an IP in 2005). That said, doctoral thesis are seen as reliable oer WP:THESIS so... attribute to that source with changing the languag eot less definitive - from appears to might have been perhaps? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What would you think of starting by eliminating the list of works?  There's not a single reference for the list, and I suspect it was created by some who pulled examples from their own reading.  Most if not all could certainly be described as planetary romances, and I would think that would be sourceable, but I would be surprised if there are any references for these as "sword and planet".  I tried searching Google Books for books that used the phrase but found nothing non-fiction that looked helpful. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 01:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Per MOS:TRIVIA and WP:V, all unreferenced content, particularly lists, can be removed. I'd not object to this - go ahead. Having looked a bit closer at this article (although I only had time to try to verify few facts, not most of the content here), OR is definetly a problem - the text appears "useful" but if it is ORish, well... Wikipedia is no place for it. Bottom line, my concern is technical - I don't like bold deletion by redirecting; getting consensus at AfD (where I certainly would support SOFTDELETE approach and preserving history in the redirect) seems a better practice. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:29, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I took out the list. I cut an image for space reasons, and I also took out the fantasy navbox as not closely enough related. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 17:03, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: The article claims: "Stories in the sword and planet genre fall primarily into two chronological classes... The first includes the stories of Burroughs himself and his early imitators, of whom Otis Adelbert Kline was the most significant...  second and larger group includes authors who began to write Burroughs pastiches from the mid-1960s to early 1970s. Such authors included Lin Carter and Michael Moorcock."
So far I failed at finding a source to confirm this. It reads nice, useful, etc. but it may be WP:OR :( Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:21, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  two chronological classes