Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 33

message: Now that Australia is in the final. Thugchildz has lodged an application for Gilchrist to be on the main page. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 08:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I trust User:Raul654 to be sensible.  Anyway, I have expanded the 2007 CWC section in Gilchrist's article a little (it was previously stalled after the first match!).  It needs some references... -- ALoan (Talk) 11:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I was talking to the user who proposed William Monahan here, please leave your thoughts--THUGCHILDz 12:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yahoo! Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 05:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hurrah.  Well done everyone! The Rambling Man 06:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed - done.  Better? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice if people could review Adam Gilchrist#2007 World Cup before tomorrow as I largely made it up :) -- ALoan (Talk) 10:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given it a quick copy edit. What is the policy re referencing scorecards etc? You cited the scotland match but not the rest. Are there calls for consistency, and is citing every match or score too much? –MDCollins (talk) 15:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Pretty inspired selection, that! Well done to all. Johnlp 23:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a perfect choice. Rubbish tournament though, has to be said. Nick mallory 05:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gilchrist 

message: Can someone please do a quick update on his retirement and if possible his article. I have found a picture to go with it .--THUGCHILDz 17:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I uploaded a cropped version.  —Moondyne 06:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Brian Lara]] FA push 

message: Hi. After successfully completing two football FAs, The Rambling Man and I are back to cricket (he's also done a solo job on a Feaured List, still at candidate stage). Anyway, our new project is the immortal Bill O'Reilly (cricketer). Reasons for choosing him: we have images, he was world-class notable in two fields (playing and reporting) and, best of all, if his article is an FA, it'll help defeat the next silly cyclical discussion that Bill O'Reilly (commentator) should be moved over the disambig page at Bill O'Reilly, because "dude, no-one's heard of some stoooopid cricketsman" or whatever. Anyway, feel free to join in, apart from ALoan, who can expect a cordial invitation addressed to the land of copyediting in due course. --Dweller 10:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My pleasure.  It would be nice to have some examples from the other Test nations too.  How about Brian Lara after Bill O'Reilly (cricketer), as mentioned above?  -- ALoan (Talk) 14:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New FA drive 

message: Dick Motz, the former New Zealand fast bowler has been found dead  (Source: http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/NZ-cricketer-Dick-Motz-dead-at-67/2007/04/30/1177788004373.html).  No cause of death at this stage. It may be worth keeping an eye on the article. -- Mattinbgn/ talk 00:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just last week, we discussed how good this year had been for cricketers. There were only 19 entries in http://www.cricketarchive.com/2007_Deaths.html at the time, compared to the January-April aggregates  of 53, 45 and 41 for the last three years. Tintin 12:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, we should be prepared so that the obituary writers of newspapers will borrow from us rather than the other way round. Tintin 03:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dick Motz]] 

message: ...is a WP:FL but has an  tag:  it seems to be missing the last match or two ("Statistics are correct as at 9 January 2006").  I was thinking of updating it, but I can't see where it gets its numbers from - can anyone help?  -- ALoan (Talk) 14:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How this ? —Moondyne 14:12, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I'm sure that will help with the numbers, but it doesn't sort them in playing order, for example. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I read this and missed the "I was thinking of updating it". =/ Sorry. Used the Cricket Archive stats which were easy to find (spent 30 minutes trying and failing to find that bloody Cricinfo link) and opened up the 5 scorecards on Cricinfo to work out when the players who weren't listed made their first appearance. AllynJ 14:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yep. I found that link indirectly by looking at the link on the List of English Twenty20 International cricketers article. —Moondyne 14:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Australian Twenty20 International cricketers]] 

message: Just a note that I have created a invite template for the project , if anyone wants to improve it please go for it.--THUGCHILDz 07:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  welcome/invite template 

message: I noticed some oddities and inconsistencies about cricket in the List of stadiums by capacity, particularly which stadia have national cricket teams as the "home" team. Welcome input. --Dweller 15:31, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of stadiums by capacity]] 

message: I'm intending to continue my Worcs bios with John Cuffe, but a minor hitch has arisen in that I'm not sure what nationality to give him in his categories and infobox. Cuffe was born in Australia, and Cricinfo has decided he was Australian, as seen here. However, he played the vast bulk of his cricket in England, died in England, and turned out for an England XI against the Australians in 1905, as seen here. My inclination is to list him as English, but Cricinfo has given me pause for thought. Loganberry (Talk) 23:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would list him as English, and describe him in the preamble as an 'Australian-born English cricketer'. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 23:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. From Andrew Symond's page: "Andrew Symonds (born June 9, 1975, Birmingham, England) is an Australian cricketer of West Indian heritage who moved to Australia with his parents, after they adopted him, when he was one year old." I'd say use this and put born in Australia, but is an English cricketer. AllynJ 06:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree agreed, this is the norm on Wikipedia.  eg. "Mel Columcille Gerard Gibson AO (born 3 January 1956) is an American-born Australian actor, director, and producer.".  Although we also have Hawaiian born "Nicole Mary Kidman AC born 20 June 1967, is an Academy Award-winning Australian actress."  According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Opening_paragraph, Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability..  Also, Wikipedia:Naming_conventions (categories)#Heritage, The place of birth is rarely notable..  —Moondyne 06:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Place of birth is notable if it affects eligibility, the most obvious (past) example being for Yorkshire players. Loganberry (Talk) 14:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For non cricketer bios, I have often used two :Category:people from foo tags, one for birth place and one for the place where they became notable.  So, as far as I'm concerned The place of birth is rarely notable. is overstated. —Moondyne 14:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I have included two flags in one article. I suppose we are under no obligation to assgin a cricketer to just one country. What about extending the infoboxes to support multiple flags ? Tintin 06:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Cuffe's nationality? 

message: Is this club notable? How far down below first-class level should we go with clubs? There's a case for including clubs that are members of major leagues such as the Lancashire League, but my own feeling is that this particular club is too far down the ladder. JH (talk page) 19:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to list it for speedy deletion as a non-notable group of people, but then I saw :Category:English club cricket teams. How many of those are notable? I think we may need a guideline about this. Are there any guidelines in other sports that could ... err ... guide us? Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be tempted to redirect articles on clubs to the article on the league unless the club is particularly notable on its own. Except there isn't an article on the league in this case. --Cherry blossom tree 19:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Southern Premier Cricket League is one of the ECB's premier leagues, according to Wisden 2007, and this club were indeed in it in the 2006 season (though as they finished bottom, it's not certain they're there this year). The Lancashire League and the Central Lancashire League are not ECB premier leagues which, in theory at least, puts their clubs at present at a lower level than this one. This is probably one of the daftnesses of the English cricket system, but it does provide some rationale for retaining this article. It's not doing any great harm, is it? Johnlp 21:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Liphook and Ripsley Cricket Club]] 

message: The  template only lists seasons of the 19xx-yy form. What should be done about matches like this one - Jamaica v Barbados in July 1958 - and listed as 1958? CricketArchive has separate season listings for 1957-58 (Pakistan's tour), 1958 (three games in Jamaica) and 1958-59 (two games in Barbados and one in Trinidad). Loganberry (Talk) 00:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't we just add the summer seasons to the template (and articles for them as necessary)? Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's my inclination... but is there an easy way to find a list of these things, as opposed to just a list of every season worldwide, as CricketArchive has? I didn't know about the 1958 one until I ran across a Jamaica scorecard. Loganberry (Talk) 14:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you go into the tournaments section on Cricket Archive, you can find a break down of every tournament in a particular country (including domestic and "Other matches" sections) with the season they took place in. See this West Indies list for an example. Andrew nixon 20:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put them in now. I wouldn't object if they were merged back into one of their adjoining "seasons" at some point, but since CricketArchive does consider 2006 to be separate from 2006-07, I've given them separate entries for now. Loganberry (Talk) 23:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Indian "English summer" games? 

message: Not sure how our importance ratings work (I remember some discussion, but can't find it) but I'm surprised to find Donald Bradman rated a B for importance. --Dweller 08:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: B does not refer to the importance but the quality of the article, similar to GA and FA. The importance is currently rated as "high." GizzaChat © 09:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WikiProject Australia rates him as "high" but WkiProject Cricket rates him as "top". I think that's about right, in both cases. He's more important to cricket than he is to Australia. JH (talk page) 09:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: That's human error, class is Stub/Start/B/GA/A/FA, importance is bottom/low/mid/high/top. They're just the wrong way round. Fixed now. AllynJ 10:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The human was me, the error mine.  Sorry all.  The Rambling Man 10:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Where do you draw the line? I think "top" importance for players should be very rare, and if we aren't careful we could have 20 or 50 players rated "top". I think BlackJack took the view, and I agree, that only Grace and Bradman so greatly outstripped their contemporaries and were so well known even to people with little interest in cricket, that they should be given the "top" rating. JH (talk page) 17:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But now that I've looked, I see that he was only rated as "mid", rather than "high" as I had assumed. That seems to me to be clearly too low, so I've upped it to "high". JH (talk page) 17:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Welcome! A good place to start would be to read through Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Assessment. I would also suggest looking at the recent discussion archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 31#Quality_.26_Importance - High-Level Survey of Categories. Note that the pretty coloured table of number of articles broken down by quality and importance doesn't include the articles in the recently introdued "bottom" importance category (the template needs updating). JH (talk page) 19:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: You're doing a grand job, but if you rate an article as a srtub please would you check to ensure that the article itself contains the appropriate stub template and insert it if necessary, as otherwise you introduce an inconsistency between the article and its talk page. JH (talk page) 09:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biog ratings 

message: Has there been a Sri Lankan cricketer with a longer name? --Dweller 15:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're counting all names, then Warnakulasuriya Patabendige Ushantha Joseph Chaminda Vaas gets the nod. Andrew nixon 16:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: If not, Srinivasaraghavan Venkataraghavan is longer. :) AllynJ 17:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But he doesn't match Dweller's specification that he should be a Sri Lankan cricketer. JH (talk page) 17:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oops, missed that, sorry. >_< AllynJ 18:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  Although Laxman Silvaramakrishnan isn't Sri Lankan either... AllynJ 19:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Priyankara Wickramasinghe is two letters longer. This bloke Loganberry (Talk) 23:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmmm. This important topic needs careful consideration. Happy for consensus to be built at Wikipedia talk:Dweller's Sri Lankan cricket team test. I feel it very important that the terms are restricted to Sri Lankan international players for totally subjective, groundless and inexplicable reasons. --Dweller 07:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. You didn't originally specify international players. That criterion rules out my nominee, sadly. Loganberry (Talk) 12:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Laxman Sivaramakrishnan]] 

message: This time it's Albert Moss (cricketer), the only man to take ten wickets in an innings on his first-class debut. He was born in England, emigrated to New Zealand and played all his (four!) f-c matches there, became an alcholic and fled to South America, then went on to South Africa where he lived for the last half-century of his life. So quite a lot to choose from! Cricinfo goes for his being a New Zealander, and I've categorised him as such on the grounds that that was where all his major cricket was played and that he was actually living there during that period. He doesn't currently have an infobox and I intend to list him as NZ when I add that. Loganberry (Talk) 12:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another nationality riddle 

message: Friends, I'm starting an article on Arthur Wood, an American cricketer born in England that played quite a few f-c matches for the Philadelphians. It would be nice to have a picture, but the only one I can find is from Cricinfo on his profile. I'd imagine that it is in the Public Domain by now. Even it was taken when he was 40, it would be more than 100 years old. Does anyone know if there is a contact a cricinfo that one can talk to to get permissions on that sort of thing? Thanks.--Eva bd 14:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they get all their pictures from photo libraries, and so will probably be pretty unhelpful about it. In any case, you don't need to get permission if the picture is already PD. Stephen Turner (Talk) 16:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think that it's safe to assume it's PD in this case?--Eva bd 17:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: In this particular case the photo is sourced to Wisden rather than a photo library -- all the Cricinfo pictures are quite helpful in that they state the copyright owner quite unambiguously. It's probably safe to assume the image is in the public domain, but we should at least try to contact them to verify this. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 17:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can do. Thanks, gents.--Eva bd 17:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have uploaded this image Philadelphians1897_Cricket1897.jpg from Cricket for 1897. I assume this is OK copyright wise and may be of interest and/or use. Nigej 18:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wonderful! This will come in very handy. Thanks.--Eva bd 18:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cricinfo Pictures 

message: Not sure how our importance ratings work (I remember some discussion, but can't find it) but I'm surprised to find Donald Bradman rated a B for importance. --Dweller 08:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: B does not refer to the importance but the quality of the article, similar to GA and FA. The importance is currently rated as "high." GizzaChat © 09:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WikiProject Australia rates him as "high" but WkiProject Cricket rates him as "top". I think that's about right, in both cases. He's more important to cricket than he is to Australia. JH (talk page) 09:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: That's human error, class is Stub/Start/B/GA/A/FA, importance is bottom/low/mid/high/top. They're just the wrong way round. Fixed now. AllynJ 10:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The human was me, the error mine.  Sorry all.  The Rambling Man 10:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Where do you draw the line? I think "top" importance for players should be very rare, and if we aren't careful we could have 20 or 50 players rated "top". I think BlackJack took the view, and I agree, that only Grace and Bradman so greatly outstripped their contemporaries and were so well known even to people with little interest in cricket, that they should be given the "top" rating. JH (talk page) 17:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But now that I've looked, I see that he was only rated as "mid", rather than "high" as I had assumed. That seems to me to be clearly too low, so I've upped it to "high". JH (talk page) 17:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Welcome! A good place to start would be to read through Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Assessment. I would also suggest looking at the recent discussion archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 31#Quality_.26_Importance - High-Level Survey of Categories. Note that the pretty coloured table of number of articles broken down by quality and importance doesn't include the articles in the recently introdued "bottom" importance category (the template needs updating). JH (talk page) 19:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: You're doing a grand job, but if you rate an article as a srtub please would you check to ensure that the article itself contains the appropriate stub template and insert it if necessary, as otherwise you introduce an inconsistency between the article and its talk page. JH (talk page) 09:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biog ratings 

message: Has there been a Sri Lankan cricketer with a longer name? --Dweller 15:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're counting all names, then Warnakulasuriya Patabendige Ushantha Joseph Chaminda Vaas gets the nod. Andrew nixon 16:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: If not, Srinivasaraghavan Venkataraghavan is longer. :) AllynJ 17:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But he doesn't match Dweller's specification that he should be a Sri Lankan cricketer. JH (talk page) 17:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oops, missed that, sorry. >_< AllynJ 18:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  Although Laxman Silvaramakrishnan isn't Sri Lankan either... AllynJ 19:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Priyankara Wickramasinghe is two letters longer. This bloke Loganberry (Talk) 23:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmmm. This important topic needs careful consideration. Happy for consensus to be built at Wikipedia talk:Dweller's Sri Lankan cricket team test. I feel it very important that the terms are restricted to Sri Lankan international players for totally subjective, groundless and inexplicable reasons. --Dweller 07:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. You didn't originally specify international players. That criterion rules out my nominee, sadly. Loganberry (Talk) 12:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Laxman Sivaramakrishnan]] 

message: This time it's Albert Moss (cricketer), the only man to take ten wickets in an innings on his first-class debut. He was born in England, emigrated to New Zealand and played all his (four!) f-c matches there, became an alcholic and fled to South America, then went on to South Africa where he lived for the last half-century of his life. So quite a lot to choose from! Cricinfo goes for his being a New Zealander, and I've categorised him as such on the grounds that that was where all his major cricket was played and that he was actually living there during that period. He doesn't currently have an infobox and I intend to list him as NZ when I add that. Loganberry (Talk) 12:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another nationality riddle 

message: Friends, I'm starting an article on Arthur Wood, an American cricketer born in England that played quite a few f-c matches for the Philadelphians. It would be nice to have a picture, but the only one I can find is from Cricinfo on his profile. I'd imagine that it is in the Public Domain by now. Even it was taken when he was 40, it would be more than 100 years old. Does anyone know if there is a contact a cricinfo that one can talk to to get permissions on that sort of thing? Thanks.--Eva bd 14:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they get all their pictures from photo libraries, and so will probably be pretty unhelpful about it. In any case, you don't need to get permission if the picture is already PD. Stephen Turner (Talk) 16:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think that it's safe to assume it's PD in this case?--Eva bd 17:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: In this particular case the photo is sourced to Wisden rather than a photo library -- all the Cricinfo pictures are quite helpful in that they state the copyright owner quite unambiguously. It's probably safe to assume the image is in the public domain, but we should at least try to contact them to verify this. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 17:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can do. Thanks, gents.--Eva bd 17:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have uploaded this image Philadelphians1897_Cricket1897.jpg from Cricket for 1897. I assume this is OK copyright wise and may be of interest and/or use. Nigej 18:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wonderful! This will come in very handy. Thanks.--Eva bd 18:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cricinfo Pictures 

message: Is Tony Steele on this alumni list sufficiently noteworthy to a) justify a page in main space on him and b) sufficiently noteworthy to justify being a notable alumni person existing only on a list?
See discussion here Talk:List_of_Old_Falconians, User_talk:Grumpyyoungman01#Tony_Steele_notability and User talk:Michellecrisp. Grumpyyoungman01 01:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, we say that someone is worthy of an article if they have played at least one first-class or List A game. This criteria is based on that for athletes: Competitors who have played in a fully professional league... (see WP:BIO). This Tony Steele has played 22 first-class games, so if it's the same person, an article will be OK. →Ollie (talk • contribs) 01:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Definitely notable enough for a mainspace article, for the reasons Ollie mentions above. (The fact that nobody has yet written one is irrelevant to the argument.) Whether he's notable enough for the list of alumni I don't know, as that would seem to depend more on how "famous" he is, which is a bit more of a value judgement. But 22 first-class games (and one List A) passes our usual notability test for cricketers with room to spare. Loganberry (Talk) 01:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your help. On the Alumni list, if someone justifies a main space page then they definitely justify inclusion on the list. And someone who does not justify a mainspace page may possibly justify inclusion on the list. Grumpyyoungman01 02:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cricket Notability guildlines - Tony Steele on a school alumni list 

message: My special interest at this point is in George Abell (civil servant and cricketer), an Englishman who served in the colonial Indian civil service, and while he was doing that played one first-class game for India v Ceylon in 1932-33. (Scorecard) I don't feel comfortable about putting him in "Indian cricketers", since he was English. I did note that we have both :Category:Scottish cricketers and :Category:Scotland cricketers (Rahul Dravid, for example, is the latter but not the former) but I'm doubtful that that would work here. Any ideas? Loganberry (Talk) 01:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He should be in the :Category:Indian cricketers since he played for India irrespective of his nationality, as an Indian national can play for the English cricket team and be an English cricketer whilst still being an Indian.--THUGCHILDz 01:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But that goes against what we already do for Scotland: as mentioned above, Dravid is not included in :Category:Scottish cricketers but in a separate category; the distinction there is one of nationality. Loganberry (Talk) 23:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I don't see the point of having the Scotland cricketers category as Scottish cricketers is basically the same thing, just because you're a Scottish cricketer doesn't mean you're Sottish, Kevin Pietersen is an English cricketer while he's a South African.--THUGCHILDz 23:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I understand what you're saying - that people who played for Scotland are cricketers for Scotland, but not Scottish per se... But I really don't think we need to differentiate between the two in terms of the categories. I just don't think it makes that much of a difference. AllynJ 00:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference here is that the Scotland cricket team does not always function as a "national team", but more like a county club. An Indian national could only play for England after satisfying the criteria and so have some sort of English nationality, but anyone can play for Scotland in the English county competition, even while they are playing for a Test nation. On this particular issue, I don't see a problem using the Indian cricketers category - the issue simply is that at that time India was part of the Empire, and so nationalities were less distinct. JPD (talk) 12:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added Abell to :Category:Indian cricketers as well. I'll point anyone who complains back here. Loganberry (Talk) 14:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category for cricketers who played for pre-Test national teams? 

message: Hey folks. Thanks to all the project members that helped bring this article to its current state. I've nominated it as an FAC and would encourage you to help in reaching a consensus at its subpage. Thanks a lot.--Eva bd 14:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Two yeas and zero nays so far. I'd encourage those that have contributed to Bart's article to visit and voice their support (or opposition).--Eva bd 21:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still only a 2-1 consensus for promoting. :) --Eva bd 04:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Congratulations, Eva. You've been doing some great work, keep it up. :) AllynJ 23:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Congrats. It was all you. And you did a good job too. I would like to help you the next time you do push on anything about American cricket.--THUGCHILDz 23:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, good work. Now we need to get it featured on the main page. Any suggestions on date? If the USACA hadn't screwed up and got themselves suspended it would have been great to have it there on the opening day of the WCL Division Three tournament. Andrew nixon 00:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if the date isn't taken, I would suggest 4th of July. It's American history and it's a different side of our history that many of us don't even have a clue about or that we ever play this game, I didn't know until I learned the game that we once played it so I think that be a good date.--THUGCHILDz 00:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a great idea, but it would be good to request it early, as I imagine that date is quite popular. Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put in a request for 4 July, but there are already requests for Sam Adams and Calvin Coolidge. I think that Adams will be tough to beat. I've also suggested 17 June as that was one of King's first notable performances against an English side.--Eva bd 18:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might I suggest that if we don't get the date, than we hold it off for 2008 4th of July and say that on the request so we get it for sure the next time. The article is likely to be still FA as there's not going to be anything more to add, so it would matter that much. And most of us from the US would only give it attention if it was on the 4th July knowing it should be about an American.--THUGCHILDz 04:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[John Barton King]] FAC! 

message: I think that this is meant to be a complement: Talk:Main Page#Cricket on the DYK ;) →Ollie (talk • contribs) 18:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rabid 

message: Though he was Irish, given that his main cricketing claim to fame was being Secretary of MCC, shouldn't he have an English cricket stub template as well as, or perhaps instead of, an Irish one? JH (talk page) 21:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He played five of his six first-class games in India, and one in England, so it could be argued that both an Indian stub template and an English one would be appropriate as well as the Irish one! Loganberry (Talk) 22:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rowan Rait Kerr]] 

message: I think his persistent POV-ridden admirer has returned. Admin intervention not yet needed, but please do keep an eye on it before it returns to being a fansite. --Dweller 12:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Brett Lee]] 

message: Contributions welcomed. Let's keep this moving to FA. --Dweller 11:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bill O'Reilly (cricketer)]] at Peer Review 

message: User:Dweller had accepted a nomination for adminship. —Moondyne 00:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfA 

message: Here we have a mystery. The article's content seems to be identical to that for David Sales - date and place of birth, teams played for, even the Cricinfo article used as the reference, all seem to be for Sales. Cricinfo doesn't seem to have any record of a cricketer called David Stevens. I wonder if someone somehow created the article using the wrong name, putting Stevens when they meant Sales. JH (talk page) 18:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both David Stevens (cricketer) and David Sales were created by User:Gardar Rurak on the same date. I've asked the contributor to come here and comment. It is a bit of a mystery. →Ollie (talk • contribs) 21:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: There is a very minor (one f-c, one List A) South African cricketer by the name of David Stephen (PH and no terminal S) but I don't imagine that he is relevant to what's happened here. Loganberry (Talk) 22:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I have solved the mystery. Several pages link to David Stevens, and all seem to actually be referring to Darren Stevens (cricketer). So fix those links, and speedy-delete David Stevens (cricketer). Andrew nixon 15:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the time of writing, David Stevens (cricketer) still exists. Can it be speedy nominated, and if so under what criterion? Loganberry (Talk) 11:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did most but not all of the links last night (they were all Darren Stevens) and will finish tonight. Then I'll prod it. Johnlp 11:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a look this morning, found two and did those. I don't think there are any more in articles, as opposed to in people's User pages. JH (talk page) 16:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still at least one, according to What Links Here on the David Stevens page. I'll do it now. Johnlp 16:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[David Stevens (cricketer)]] 

message: Tintin 17:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pervez Mir]]