Talk:Hip hop (culture)

message: Hi All, I did a fixing up of the six elements of the hip hop movement, Piotr had an issue with it after it being up on the page in the lead for 6 years after users put it there because it is a big part of the culture, I don't know what is the issue with Piotr and this Ronald Savage guy, because he pushing hard I hope it doesn't have anything to do with that bambaataa issue it just seems weird, anyway i'm asking for everyone and not just 1 person to be open minded and this belongs right back in the lead because it's hip hop history and i know some of you probably didn't even know this is a part of hip hop history and I don't know why piotr wants to bury this true history I ask that you all hear and read it yourselfs from the hip hop cultures own legendary Chief Rocker Busy Bee who help start hip hop culture in 1977, this is wikipedia why are keeping this from the public when so many people know this. Feel welcome to add or edit this is historical. I need more then just one person which is piotr who even had someone remove the Hip Hop Movement page on wikipedia that was not right because it was a lot of us wiki users helping out to build it which it was up on wikipedia for 6 years as well. I'm trying my best to work this out, I need more then 1 person (piotr jr) Well the reversion is below and below that is the references /sources attached to the article. I also attached Sway in the morning interviwing both Ronald Savage -aka- Bee-Stinger & Busy Bee and you all can see for your self that hip hop movement is new as well as Doggie Diamonds interview you know both of these two posted these interviews from their verified account of the video source, so you know it's inherits its reliability. I spent a lot of tome on this resouce just to add this small part of hip hop history coming both both pioneers who were their when hip hop culture frist started. 
Revised after 6 years in Wikipedia, please add on or edit so it can be replaced back into hip hop article. Please listen to interviews as well their time stamped, I think i did it right.
In 1990, Ron "Bee-Stinger" Savage, a former member of the Zulu Nation, (Savage is known as the son of the Hip Hop Movement) while working with the hip hop group Snap is credited with coining the term "Six Elements of the Hip Hop Movement" being inspired by Public Enemy's rap conscious style recordings. In 2017 The Chief Rocker Busy Bee stated “Hip Hop Movement is a term that has been used throughout the past for several decades but it has never been used in an official capacity. Through our efforts, the term and its language will have new meaning" Busy Bee and Ron “Bee-Stinger” Savage that hip hop movement is trademarked now as well as the logo so this is going to be new to them as well as everyone else after so long of hip hop movement not having legal meaning and ownership. Busy Bee and Bee-Stinger stated "that Hip Hop and Rap are two different things and when artist are recording and talking about shooting guns, disrespecting women, and selling drugs in there records that is not a part of the hip hop movement or hip hop". The official “Six Elements of the Hip Hop Movement" are: Consciousness Awareness, Civil Rights Awareness, Activism Awareness, Justice, Political Awareness, and Community Awareness in music.
Below is the references /sources attached to the article
In 1990, Ron "Bee-Stinger" Savage, a former member of the Zulu Nation, (Savage is known as the son of the Hip Hop Movement) while working with the hip hip group Snap is credited with coining the term "Six Elements of the Hip Hop Movement" being inspired by Public Enemy's rap conscious style recordings. </ref>https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_History_of_Hip_Hop/NMSKDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=six+elements+of+the+hip+hop+movement&pg=PT5&printsec=frontcover</ref></ref>https://parkchestertimes.com/ronald-savage-better-known-as-bee-stinger-trademarks-hip-hop-movement</ref> </ref>https://www.iamhiphopmagazine.com/news-ronald-savage-the-hip-hop-movement/</ref> In 2017 The Chief Rocker Busy Bee stated “Hip Hop Movement is a term that has been used throughout the past for several decades but it has never been used in an official capacity. Through our efforts, the term and its language will have new meaning,” </ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9f0jGPYFXk</ref>  </ref>https://www.doggiediamondstv.com/ron-savage-busy-bee-acquire-hip-hop-movement-trademark/</ref>ref>https://boombapnation.com/hip-hop-movement-ceo-ron-bee-stinger-savage-drops-stop-cappin-video</ref>Busy Bee and Ron “Bee-Stinger” Savage stated that hip hop movement is trademarked now as well as the logo</ref> http://amsterdamnews.com/news/2017/may/19/fourth-season-ordered-black-ish/</ref></ref>6:00-6:51</ref></ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9f0jGPYFXk</ref>so this is going to be new to them as well as  everyone else after so long of hip hop movement not having legal meaning and ownership. Busy Bee and Bee-Stinger stated “that Hip Hop and Rap are two different things and when artist are recording and talking about shooting guns, disrespecting women, and selling drugs in your records that is not a part of the hip hop movement or hip hop”. </ref> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9f0jGPYFXk</ref></ref>1:00 – 1:28-</ref>The official  "Six Elements of the Hip Hop Movement" are: Consciousness Awareness, Civil Rights Awareness, Activism Awareness, Justice, Political Awareness, and Community Awareness in music</ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Xz50h-u78&t=1025s18:28</ref></ref>15:28-18:28</ref></ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9f0jGPYFXk</ref></ref>https://www.spankradio.uk/blog/hip-hop-as-a-culture-6-elements-of-the-hip-hop-movement/amp/</ref></ref>https://parkchestertimes.com/ronald-savage-better-known-as-bee-stinger-trademarks-hip-hop-movement</ref></ref>https://www.birthofhiphop.com/jay-z-with-dean-baquet/</ref></ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9f0jGPYFXk</ref>https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_History_of_Hip_Hop_Collection/D232DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=six+elements+of+the+hip+hop+movement&pg=PT88&printsec=frontcover</ref></ref>https://www.google.com/books/edition/IMPULSE_URGES_AND_FANTASIES/GL-1DAEACAAJ?hl=en</ref></ref>https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/afrika-bambaataa-sex-abuse-accuser-ronald-savage-speaks-article-1.2594599</ref></ref>https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/impulse-urges-and-fantasies-ronald-savage/1123982738</ref>
Street sting (talk) 09:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , Blogs, Youtube links to primary source interviews and reposted press releases are not the kind of sources we would need for content like this. If this is a big enough deal to be lede-worthy, it should be well covered by musicologists - I would suggest you make a trip to the library and see what music historians publishing under academic imprints have to say about it. MrOllie (talk) 10:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

text: , Without reliable sources it should not be in the article at all. MrOllie (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

text: The Parkchester times is a tiny circulation local newspaper that has only been around since 2018. The Amsterdam news is borderline (it is an alternative weekly), but it does not support the vast majority of the content you want to add, and what is there is clearly a repost of a press release. The 'problem' is that material like this should have sourcing on the level of books from major publishers. It never should have been in the article at all, that it was there for a few years before someone noticed it didn't meet with sourcing standards does not mean we shouldn't fix it now (by removing it). To be perfectly clear: with this level of sourcing I oppose including it anywhere in the article. PS: it is more than one person who has objected. - MrOllie (talk) 17:42, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

text: , You really need to read WP:RS. Self published books do not help, nor does Savage's autobiography. We need something with an independent author and an independent, reputable publisher. - MrOllie (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

text: See WP:NLT making lawsuit threats like the above will get your account immediately blocked. MrOllie (talk) 21:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Noting for the record the comment was subsequently modified to remove the legal threats. Interested parties can see the original comment in the page history. MrOllie (talk) 22:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New reversion of the Six elements of the hip hop movement 

message: To add direct quote from Public Enemy and their involvement in the 1980s. Mtvjack (talk) 00:13, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:30, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: All of it. It's all wrong 24.186.67.150 (talk) 04:51, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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message: The FBA version of this "Black American" Hip-Hop culture, is false, since no elements in Hip-Hop, are African American in nature. It should be noted, that they have their own version, that's irrelevant, to the actual Hip-Hop history, of The Bronx, created by Puerto Ricans, W. Indians, and some Blacks. There aren't any Hip-Hop crews, that can be named, the created any Hip-Hop elements, therefore this is all an attempt to appropriate Hip-Hop culture, from it's practitioners, in The Bronx. 24.186.67.150 (talk) 07:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  FBA version of Hip-Hop CULTURE  

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