Talk:Economy of Poland

message: Public debt
Is the 231 billion the right number? On the Finance Ministry page states that public debt is 461 160,5 mln PLN which is equal to 146 billion US dollars.
:It is likely that the article uses outdated info - feel free to be bold and correct the article (and please cite sources like you did above).--[[User:Pio
trus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] Talk 21:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Debt

message: I severely doubt the validity of the statement "Poland has steadfastly pursued a policy of economic liberalization throughout the 1990s and today stands out as the greatest success story among the former communist states." Besides the fact that it's unsourced, it also seems very POV. Firstly, other post-Communist economies are better off than Poland, including virtually all of the new EU member states (particularly Czechia and Hungary). Also, Poland does not do astoundingly well at any other indicator, such as foreign investment, to make it "the" greatest success story. In fact, even though the region as a whole can be seen as a success story, I'd say Poland, particularly in the last few years, has done less well than could've been possible. Countries such as Slovakia and Estonia are more potent "success stories", as are the Czech Republic and Slovenia. Sure, Poland has come a long way, and has often been a pioneer in economic liberalisation in the region, but that alone does not warrant it being called the greatest success story in the region.  Ronline ✉ 08:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, see Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms. -- Beland 05:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Greatest success story

message: The contribution of agriculture is given variously as 2.8% and 3.8%, and neither instance has a citation. -- Beland 05:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Agriculture GDP stat

message: European Union has countries ranked by per-capita GDP.  It would be interesting to see the history of Poland's per-capita GDP to judge the influence of various political changes. -- Beland 05:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GDP history

message: It seems the text has been copied verbatim from another source (in example, http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2875.htm). Could you please specify as reference the site from where the text was taken? The article is currently listed at Suspected copyright violations, and it would help to know exactly the source. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 16:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: What about recent reforms? Wasn't there a change in income tax brackets? 90.190.225.121 (talk) 18:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The government promises to lower income tax rates beginning with January 2009 (from 19/30/40 to 18/28).  This year, only social insurance rate has been lowered.  Sliwers (talk) 20:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent reforms? 

message: Does poland have negative taxes? :D TyronX (talk) 18:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Net Salary Higher than gross salary? 

message: It is not true according to this -93.125.67.187 (talk) 21:53, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Poland is the largest producer and exporter of apples in the entire world, surpassing China" 

message: This is obviously false. Russian economy is larger.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See above. Of course you're right that Russia's economy is larger. But lots of sources consider Russia as its own "region" rather than part of "Eastern Europe".Volunteer Marek (talk) 10:26, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This should be simply clarified by a note. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

text: The source you used does use a different phrasing and doesn't say Poland is the biggest economy in Eastern Europe actually.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 10:28, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest in Eastern Europe? 

message: In addition to the issue with the editorial from Dziennik Prawny mentioned above, we have this source being used to support this claim:
Despite its GDP growth, Poland faces numerous economic issues; it has chronic high unemployment, low wages despite significant increase of productivity, massive flight of educated population abroad, low level of innovativeness and highest number of people working for minimum wage in European Union
What the source actually says is "But challenges loom on the horizon, including high unemployment, rising inflation, and growing fiscal deficits. ". That's different. Yes Poland has high unemployment, just like rest of Europe. But the source doesn't say anything about "chronic". There's nothing in there about "low wages despite significant increaese of productivity". Nothing about "massive flight". Nothing about "low level of innovativeness" and nothing about "highest number of people working for minimum wage" - which doesn't even make sense. There is no "minimum wage" in Europe. They all have different (if any) minimum wages. That claim is just nonsensical.Volunteer Marek (talk) 11:10, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  editorializing in the lede 

message: How large percentage wise was the rise of Polish public debt after 1989? I am looking for figures.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 11:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Around 1995 the debt-gdp ratio was about 50%. Currently it's about 55%.Volunteer Marek (talk) 11:16, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Here is source for current levels in Europe . Poland's debt-gdp ratio is very much below European average, which is above 90%.Volunteer Marek (talk) 11:18, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not what I am asking about. How much has the value of Polish debt increased since 1989? How much did Poland owe in 1989 and how much does it owe now?MyMoloboaccount (talk) 11:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Stats for 1989 are crap. It would take some more involved research. Also, that kind of statistic is essentially meaningless, due to inflation and economic growth. If you owe 10000$ when your annual income is 500$ that's a lot worse than when you owe 1000000$ when your annual income is 1000000%. Hence the practice in scholarly and reputable reputations is to use the debt-gdp ratio.Volunteer Marek (talk) 11:22, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Also 1989 is a weird year because there was debt default (essentially) in that year and a debt forgiveness program (as part of the economic reforms). So it depends whether you're talking beginning of 1989 or end of 1989.Volunteer Marek (talk) 11:26, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Don't worry Marek, if you don't know, that's not a problem, I already found sources.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 11:28, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rise of debt after 1989 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Economy of Poland]] 

message: I am seriously considering removing the Businessweek article.I read it, and it presents such a distorted, completely false image of Poland that I have trouble accepting it as a reliable source.As a person living in Poland all my life, I can assure that you are more likely to see people trying to scavange food from trash cans(in fact I can see them every day in my home town) and lines of people in tattered clothes lining up to unemployment office with despair in their eyes rather than people driving in Ferrari's. This article isn't even a fairy tale, it's complete fantasy.
MyMoloboaccount (talk) 13:18, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:RSN, WP:OR, WP:NPOV.Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

text: * In order to learn how poverty looks like in leading world economies, for example in Canada and the U.S., one needs to travel the world, and stop aggrandizing his own sorry ass. See also: dumpster diving. Poeticbent talk 15:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Businessweek article 

message: GDP growth is just one indicator of economy and currently too much is spent on it in the article. Other economic values like unemployment, gdp per capita, inequlity need to be expanded in the article. Otherwise we get a very misleading view that Poland is somehow economically in good condition.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Since population growth in Poland is essentially zero, the GDP growth figures and the GDP per capita growth figures are pretty much the same. And we already talked about inequality at the other article. I have no objection to including info on it here, but based on reliable sources, not some made up impressions and prejudices.Volunteer Marek (talk) 16:16, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually sources show that Polish GDP per capita is one among lowest of post-communist states in EU. I will add them, don't worry.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:21, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: . Czech Republic and Slovakia have higher GDP per capita (PPP). Estonia and Lithuania about the same. The rest is below.Volunteer Marek (talk) 16:56, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much focus on GDP growth not enough on other values 

message: This is false, which can be easily demonstrated.
According to this list of countries by real GDP growth rate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_GDP_growth_rate
Post-Soviet states such as  Turkmenistan, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan,Tajikistan have much, much higher GDP rate than Poland. 
I will thus remove this false claim.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't use Wikipedia as a source. But of course you know that.Volunteer Marek (talk) 16:39, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: They can't be used as source of articles, but can be used in discussions on topics on discussion pages.
Anyway here you go, I will now delete this sentence as it is false.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

text: How about instead of deleting it, you add the clarification "Europe's" as in the source. That'd be constructive.Volunteer Marek (talk) 16:45, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be false,since Moldova,Azerbaijan,Armenia and Latvia are in Europe.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:48, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's what the source says: "Poland will post the fastest growth this year among the European Union’s largest former communist members as falling unemployment and slow inflation fuel domestic demand". That's what the article should say.Volunteer Marek (talk) 16:57, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another false sentence in the text-"making it the fastest growing out of all the former Soviet bloc states" 

message: Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC), a UN/WTO agency that aims to promote sustainable economic development through trade promotion. I would like to propose the addition of an external link (http://www.macmap.org/QuickSearch/FindTariff/FindTariff.aspx?subsite=open_access&country=SCC616%7cPoland&source=1|ITC Market Access Map) that leads directly to our online database of customs tariffs applied by Poland. Visitors can easily look up market access information for Poland by selecting the product and partner of their interest. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 
1) ITC is part of the United Nations, and aims to share trade and market access data on by country and product as a global public good
2) No registration is required to access this information
3) Market access data (Tariffs and non-tariff measures) are regularly updated
Thank you,
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replies: text: Thanks for the link. I don't have a problem with including this in ELs. Volunteer Marek  05:50, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link to tariff data 

message: National Public debt is released annually on 20th January each year by the NBP - but the figures weren't released this year. ???  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevolutionizeSeven (talk • contribs) 14:10, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debt 

message: As already explained previously, the GUS is a different measure of unemployment then the one usually used internationally. The Eurostat data is a harmonized measure which makes cross-country comparisons possible. Basically the GUS numbers provided without context (i.e. it's not really the unemployment rate) are meaningless. As such, while the GUS numbers should be mentioned in the article, they shouldn't be overemphasized.
Also, claims from 2004 do not belong in the article, especially not if they're worded as if they were current.User:Volunteer Marek 16:26, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  unemployment, again 

message: But about GDP of Poland only. It should be re-written to actually describe correctly economy of Poland including inequality, unemployment and junk contracts and so on.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's true the lede is currently inadequate. But you shouldn't try to use this as an excuse to push your POV. The lede should be expanded to be similar to articles on other countries "Economy of XYZ". That means that it should give a bit of history, describe major industries and probably place the performance of the Polish economy in the context of both EU and the recent financial crisis. At one point it did that  but then it got moved, some of it inappropriately, to the History section.User:Volunteer Marek 22:17, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: probably place the performance of the Polish economy I am all for describing junk contracts and unemployment among other issues.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 22:35, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please stop trying to twist my words? Unemployment should probably be in there, though with DUE WEIGHT, the junk contracts are not significant enough ... for the article (which is a general level article) as a whole probably, nevermind the lede.User:Volunteer Marek 22:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction isn't about economy 

message: Where does the 9.7 come from? This still has October's 9.6 in there. And the increase/decrease is reported as on year earlier (it'd be silly to report it month to month), so it's still a decrease from 11.3 (Oct 14) or 11.4 (Nov 14).
Also, please stop removing the Eurostat number. If anything that one is the more relevant one as it conforms to the standard definition of "unemployment" as commonly used. GUS's number doesn't.User:Volunteer Marek 21:57, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  GUS unemployment 

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message: Why is Poland classified as a mixed-economy when there's overall less state intervention and welfare than in countries like the UK or France? 2A02:A31E:4127:8200:44F3:EE9E:DE62:C504 (talk) 21:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mixed-economy status 

message: Hyperlink for the company Cersanit opens up a page about a Polish billionaire, not the company in question. Hypern0vaX (talk) 03:23, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The link should lead to the Michał Sołowow#Business empire section, but it was edited with 'Empire' instead of 'empire', so the destination page opened at its top. Fixed: Special:Diff/1115675483. --CiaPan (talk) 16:45, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyperlink 

message: On the GDP rank of Poland for it’s PPP it says 23th rather than 23rd. 2A02:C7C:2E57:A400:8857:A512:A48C:4CD7 (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP rank of Poland 

message: Why poland is still listed as developing country despite being developed feel?2404:8000:1027:85F6:6060:11EC:92CF:A117 (talk) 17:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Developed 

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