Talk:Yul Brynner

message: Why would you say he was a Russian actor? Did he ever play in Russia (rhetorical question). He had a (mainly Russian) complicated origin, but was an American actor. --Quatrocentu 05:21, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He was Russian and was an actor; therefore he was a Russian actor, even if he never acted in Russia. Wiki editor 6 (talk) 22:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian actor?

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Yul Brynner
(Vladivostok, 7/7/1915 - New York, 10/10/1985)
 
An undoubtedly controversial person, his origins have been a mystery for many. Actually he had only 1/4th of Romany blood, and 1/4th Jewish, by his mother Marousia Blagovidova, whose father was a Russian Jew and her mother a Russian Gypsy. It was anyway among Roma that he began his adventurous life, playing guitar in Romany circles and working as a trapezist in circus. He was elected honorary president of the Roma, an office that he kept until his death.
Any thoughts? 81.77.78.217 18:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More evidence for Gypsy / Roma heritage ?

message: We need to tell more of the chronology of his name changes, but there are some questions.  
*He was born in Russia as Юл Борисович Бриннер.  This surname would normally be transliterated as Brinner, but we say Bryner.  Why is that?  Бриннер (with two Crylic/Russian н's which are pronounced "n" in English) does not become Bryner (one n) without some intermediate step.  Or maybe it is just somebody's assumption about the original Russian spelling.  Is there a documentary source for this?
* We "say" or we "write"?
*Was "Bryner" the way his Swiss forbears spelt the name?  In that case, why did they double the "н" when it became a Russian name?  
*According to IBDB and IMDB, on Broadway he was first billed as "Youl Bryner".  This suggests the Western spelling of his surname was the single n version originally, and the second n was added later.  When did this happen?  JackofOz 23:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Actually, his russian name was Юлий (Yulij), not Юл (Yul; such a form is impossible in Russian). See for example here (http://www.gallery.archipelag.ru/grm/b/b.html), and in many other Russian sources.141.157.170.136 08:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Re Борисович Бриннер. ThCrylic letter "и" is often translated with a "y" but pronounced like a short i.SimonATL (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm afraid you don't get to make unilateral decisions like that. If you seriously think this should be the case, raise it in policy discussion, don't just run around deleting people's contributions because you alone disagree with them. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 18:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions about his names

message: I seem to be able to find an equal amount of sources online that say he was born in 1920 as sources that say he was born in 1915.  Similarly, several accounts of his death indicate that he was 65 when he died, while others (such as this Wikipedia entry) say he was 70.  See: Yahoo! Movies or this article from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution for sources that cite Brynner's age at the time of his death as 65, not 70. Mchesnut 20:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Hi. The Yul Brynner Foundation may be a reliable source, see  []. It reads July 11, 1920. Regards: Akela <akela3@freemail.hu> User:145.236.220.89 21:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Which date is correct? The article keeps switching back and forth between 1915 and 1920.  Hotwine8 03:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *1915 must be correct.  Yul was born before the Russian Revolution.  I have no idea why the 1920 date is given in many sources.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Born in 1915, or 1920?

message: I'm not sure that the filmography listing for Cool Runnings is appropriate, since "Yul Brynner" was the name of a character, not an actor. Also, I'd have to watch the film again, but I believe that there aren't any photos of "the real" Yul Brynner in the film. --SignpostMarv 00:37, 03 June 2006 (GMT)
:Perhaps archival footage was used int he film, like in a background tv screen or something? Sort of like Laurence Olivier was used in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow?--Lendorien 22:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Filmography

message: Where is the proof that his cancer was the result of smoking? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.171.237.67  (talk • contribs) 04:05, 24 July 2006
I am as a physician absolutely agree with previous note. Cancer only CAN be result of smoking, but the precise cause of cancer is always uncertain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.0.210.102 (talk) 13:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this cause is not proven, it will be deleted.  Mal7798 (talk) 22:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Death smoking related?

message: I am changing where it is noted a "commericial" was made using an interview  of his warning against smoking after his death.  What was made was called a Public Service Announcement (PSA), not a commerical. Even though he refers to it as a "commerical" himself, technically it's incorrect. A commericial is used to sell some sort of product or service.  --Hokgwai 02:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: Brynner's last film appearance was in 1976 - or 1980, if you count the narration of "Lost to the Recolution". He died in 1985, just after the "King and I" revival. What did he do in between 1980 and 1985? 86.136.251.18 18:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He toured in The King and I for YEARS. Monkeyzpop 19:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Later life?

message: Brinner was active on stage through 1985, according to the article, but the infobox says years active only through 1980 (with the wiki markup indicating active in film). Is there a way to show that he was active through 1985 in theater? --Zippy (talk) 06:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Years active in infobox - 1980?

message: They must have gone through a million heads before they discovered his, which is perfectly shaped. All I want to know is, was he bald or did he shave it?129.93.17.117 (talk) 01:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If he was naturally bald, why did he need to shave his head?  What would there be to shave?  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  20:59, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I imagine he still had fringes, as most men with male-pattern baldness do. marbeh raglaim (talk) 21:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: That famous head

message: Does anybody have any info (reliable sources, please) on what languages he spoke? 
From his bio information I make out the list of possible/likely languages as Russian, possibly Hebrew, possibly Mandarin Chinese, French, and English. -- 201.17.36.246 (talk) 03:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Russian, French (Brynner lived in France for several years [1934-1941]) and English. -- 88.178.38.7 (talk) 20:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Languages?

message: The Wikipedia articles state that he was Jewish on both his mother's and father's side.  However it is unlikely that he was Jewish to that extent.  If you see the famous nude photgraph of him by David Platt you will see that he was uncircumscized.  Jewish men are never uncircumcized.18 September, 2008 Trismegistus48 (talk) 01:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewishness 

message: The article fails to mention whether he gained U. S. citizenship. If he did, when was that, and did he retain his Soviet citizenship as well? Wiki editor 6 (talk) 22:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  American citizen? 

message: What about mentioning his cultural legacy? I reminded of it as I was listening to Stephen Malkmus' famous song Jo Jo's Jacket, about Yul Brynner. Worth mentioning? What do you think? (83.240.239.233 (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural impact

message: Murray Head referenced Yul Brynner in his song, "One Night in Bangkok"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6007:47:5194:55AF:223F:48DA (talk) 05:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistakes in Article

message: It's not worth an edit war, but "story" when used for the floor level of a building is not a "misspelling" but rather the more common spelling of the word.  "Storey" is correct, but listed in most dictionaries as a British alternative spelling.  Brynner, whatever his heritage, was by no means British, so WP guidelines would suggest the American spelling fits better, since he was a naturalized American. Monkeyzpop (talk) 23:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But was he naturalised?  Where, when?  There's an unanswered question above about this very issue.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  02:32, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Storey vs. story

message: Should there be a mentions somewhere that he is not to be confused with Yul Brenner, a member of the 1988 Jamaica national bobsled team and character in the 1993 film Cool Runnings?  Brauden (talk) 02:30, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added a hatnote for that. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:10, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion with Yul Brenner 

message: See our article in Julien Green
G. Robert Shiplett 13:01, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  radio work in WWII for Voice of America to France 

message: To clarify my edit. His mother moved to Harbin, Manchuria; not China. However, Manchuria is now part of China. The statement about moving to China is incorrect. For example, Manchuria is not a country now, it is part of China. But Angela Merkel was not born in Germany, she was born in West Germany. Shall we update every person in wikipedia to reflect the current geo-political lines of where they were born, raised, or travelled? Or should we just stick to the facts. It is not right to say that his mother went to China with her children, because she did not. She went to Manchuria, instead of China. Context is not only important in discussion, it is necessarily important in an encyclopedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fomeister (talk • contribs) 16:34, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a debatable point.  If Yul Brynner is a Russian,  then dozens of Hollywood actors and actresses from the mid-20th century will need to be reclassified as Lithuanians, Belarussians and so on.Eregli bob (talk) 03:30, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  China 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have removed "Russian" from the description of the Orthodox monastery where Brynner's remains are buried.
At the time of Brynner's burial, Saint-Michel-de-Bois-Aubry Monastery was part of the Orthodox-Catholic Church of France (l'Eglise Catholique-Orthodoxe de France, or l'ECOF).  While ECOF was originally formed by the Russian Orthodox Church in 1936 it ceased to be part of the Russian Church in 1966, some 19 years prior to Brynner's death.  In any case, the monastery did not become part of ECOF until 1978, by which point ECOF was part of the Romanian Orthodox Church (since 1972).  Therefore, the monastery has never been Russian Orthodox, and it is inaccurate to refer to Brynner's burial place as a Russian Orthodox monastery.
Since 2006 the part of the grounds where Brynner's remains lie is privately owned, while the portion which functions as the monastery is part of the Orthodox Church of the Gauls.
Bertelin (talk) 07:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Burial place

message: The article says he had Swiss and American citizenships. Given that he was born in Vladivostok in 1920, he probably was also a Russian citizen during some or all of his life, wasn't he? —BarrelProof (talk) 02:16, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Citizenships

message: Brynner's "Roma ancestry" cannot be proven. Instead, his ancestral family, the Briner/Brinner have been proven to live in Switzerland as basket weavers since centuries. Those Briner are not Roma/Sinti/Manouche/... originating in India but Jenische which have been shown DNA-wise to be of purely European stock. One still can find living Briner in Switzerland. Jenische/Yeniche, Irish Travellers and Scottish Travellers on the one side and Roma/et al on the other side may partially share their culture with each other; ethnically they are not related. The term "Gypsy" which has been misleadingly used by American televison makers disinforming the masses also wrongly confuses, mixes up and blurs the origins of these two ethnicities.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:8C:4C0A:3100:A1DE:A93B:1514:7A1 (talk) 12:49, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jenisch/Yeniche 

message: There is an ongoing discussion about how to write about Yul Brynner's casting for The King and I at the Wikipedia article whitewashing in film. Editors who are familiar with weighing sources about Yul Brynner are invited to comment. The discussion can be found here. Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 02:06, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitewashing in film 

message: Brynner died the same day as director/screenwriter/actor Orson Welles, who was five years Brynner's senior.Maccb (talk) 04:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same-day death. 

message: Here's an interesting article in this week's newspaper that editors here might find of use: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/hollywoods-king-mean-bald-truth-yul-brynner/ Nick Moyes (talk) 14:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily Telegraph article 

message: This article claims he "enjoyed a hit with Return of the 7," but the Return of the Seven article suggests it was a flop with only 6 million at the box office, and the source on this page is a dead link.
140.180.240.29 (talk) 10:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Return of the 7 

message: Boris Briner's work required extensive travel, and in 1923, he fell in love with an actress, Katya Kornukova, at the Moscow Art Theatre, and, soon after, abandoned his family. Yul's mother took his elder sister, Vera (January 17, 1916 – December 13, 1967), and him to Harbin, China, where they attended a school run by the YMCA.
To be 3 years old to fall in love? Surely this is a typo. Would it be 1932?
92.238.41.43 (talk)Richard 13:36pm  7th June 2021
:Boris Briner was Yul Brynner's father, who fell in love with actress, Katerina Kornukova, at the Moscow Art Theatre. Steveshelokhonov 19:10, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo error? 

message: Does he even live in the US and if so where? 184.103.62.60 (talk) 07:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: He died in 1985. --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 12:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does his family live with him today? And if not why?