Talk:Harris Ranch

message: Hi, I have raised this problem with the creator of the article already, but in short: Even of the subject of the article is notable, and it is possibly, the title of the article is clearly not neutral. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 00:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts also. GregorB (talk) 14:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality of the article, especially the title 

message: Cowschwitz → NewName — Neutrality reasons. While the ranch may well be referred to as Cowschwitx, the article title isn't necessarily the title that the ranch is generally known by, and is a breach of Wikipedia NPOV policies —FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Delete the whole thing Wow. Its a cattle farm. How notable. Wow. It is a big cattle farm with a hideous source. Yeah. Dross. Screw renaming, just AFD. Narson (talk) 09:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: This article has been renamed as the result of a move request.
The article was moved, expanded and the tone and POV issues addressed. If for no reason other then the airport, there will be an article of some kind. So having that article be for the entire ranch is reasonable. Of course the AfD is still running. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Delete the whole thing Wow. Its a cattle farm. How notable. Wow. It is a big cattle farm with a hideous source. Yeah. Dross. Screw renaming, just AFD. Narson (talk) 09:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: This article quality, neutrality, and referenced sources have been improved and think it should stay.  Community content has also been added and name of article has been appropriately changed (Harris Ranch article did not previously exist) College Watch (talk) 03:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article should stay because of the fixes 

message: There are three new images in this article.  I'd like to strike two of them from the article because I don't think they actually add any value:
* The Harris Ranch Sign
** Signage displaying the subject of the article isn't the slightest bit useful
* The photo of the restaurant and parking lot through the trees
** There's nothing distinctive of Harris Ranch in this photo; it could be a photo of any strip mall in Southern California.
** I do think a photo of the restaurant might be useful, just not this one.
I'd also like to strike the old image of cows entitled Cowschwitz.  It's also not very useful in distinguishing Harris Ranch.  It could be a photo of any feed lot in the U.S....
—  X  S  G  18:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I do like informational images in articles.  Placeholders are marginal and, I think, should be deleted, especially in consideration of the overall size of this article.  If the article were somewhat longer, four images would be no problem.  As it stands, the images take up more space vertically than the article text does, at least on my screen.  Also, I'm adjusting image captions so the use case of the images is clarified. —  X  S  G  23:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Images 

message: Proposal </br>
As per this rule of thumb "Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Bias" i propose we remove the statement Known to travelers for a "ripe, tangy odor"  ..as you see it has a reference, however i do not see this as being unbias in any way ...maybe i think it smells like mint on the day i happen to stay there !! (get my meaning here could have been the new carpet cleaner smell etc...). The references for this does come form a major news paper..BUT its a review from one person - not a news article and does not seem to be appropriate for the encyclopedia !!....Buzzzsherman (talk) 19:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how the fact of whether or not Harris Ranch is known for its smell is a POV issue at all.  It does, for miles around.  That's probably its most salient feature for travelers in that part of California, and I don't see any dispute over that in the sources.  People have also nicknamed it "Cowschwitz" - the nickname itself may relate to humane treatment of animals in such a large finishing lot but also a good dose of silliness.  Whereas using the nickname to refer to it, or complaining about the smell, may reflect a POV, noting that the nickname and smell exist is simply observing sourced facts.  Obviously that doesn't chase everyone away because it is popular, something also noted in the article.  - Wikidemon (talk) 19:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok i take it you know it smells because you live near there right??..My point is that as someone who is just reading the article for the first time  i get the inspiration  that the article was written by a competitor of Harris Ranch..Very odd to see this type of thing i think..Anyways that's Y i am asking for a consensus  and did not just remove it... Love love !!!Buzzzsherman (talk) 19:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "ripe, tangy odor" 

message: I think that Harris Ranch Airport should be moved to it's own page an a link left in it's place. On a page about Harris Ranch an airport does not really fit. I am working on improving the section so it could be moved and be close to not being a stub. 
Sign My Guestbook! User:Sumsum2010 00:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Harris Ranch Airport 

message: The current version of the article has a location section saying that the ranch "is notable for being located almost precisely at the half-way mileage point between Los Angeles and San Francisco". While there is no question that the ranch is approximately half way between the two cities (the word precisely is vague since it depends on the exact starting and ending points), is it really notable for this? there is no secondary reference proving the notability. The way the information is currently presented is original research. Ricardo Santiago (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There are lots and lots of references mentioning it as a halfway stopping point or marker, but I do think the section was overkill.  Nearly everything in there was mentioned elsewhere in the article.  So I worked it all in there and added a couple references.  There are far more, in major publications (e.g. Los Angeles Times) but they're old articles behind a paywall.  It seems to me that newspapers were more interested in covering local color and halfway points in the 1970s and 1980s than they are in more modern times.  - Wikidemon (talk) 21:01, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location section