Talk:Archilochus

message: Low importance?  Amphitryoniades (talk) 23:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Archilochus, the subjective poet, has become the victim of a subjective Wikipedia rating.Lestrade (talk) 23:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low importance? 

message: I'm tempted to start a major edit here soon. I notice from the contributions history that the largest edit count by a single contributor so far is just 6 and I think the article needs a controlling hand with edits in the hundreds. I'll wait for a time as I have other things to do at present and also because previous editors might first object to a 'take-over'. I won't commit myself to a major edit if there is resistence to the idea. McZeus (talk) 00:37, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  new edit? 

message: The current intro informs us that Archilochus was the "...first person in the Western tradition to write lyric poetry in the first person (ref)Rayor, Diane J, Sappho's Lyre: Archaic Lyric and Women Poets of Ancient Greece (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991, )(/ref)" I'm wondering if there is any other tradition associated with 'lyric poetry' and yet the comment is apparaently backed up by a published source. I'm assuming that the source merely identifies A as the first lyric poet to compose verses in the first person, though even then the meaning of 'lyric poetry' really should be distinguished from the Hellenistic meaning, according to which he wasn't a lyric poet at all. Anyhow, I'll probably rephrase the comment unless somebody can vouch for it. When and if I get around to editing this article. McZeus (talk) 13:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Western tradition' 

message: Here's stuff I deleted and will try to fit back in where I can:
:Moreover even the poems might not always be as biographical as they seem.(ref)Owen, S. (2003) 'Of Dogs and Men: Archilochos, archaeology and the Greek settlement of Thasos' PCPS 49, 1-18(/ref)   
:He accused Lycambes of perjury and recited verses against his daughters that according to legend led Lycambes and his daughters to hang themselves.(ref)Gerber, Douglas E., A Companion to the Greek Lyric Poets, BRILL, 1997. . Cf. p.50(/ref) 
McZeus (talk) 04:38, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  temporary storage 

message: I'll delete this sentence:
:According to legend he visited Sparta, but was banished from that city because of his cowardice and the licentious character of his poetry (Valerius Maximus vi. 3, externa 1).
According to my Loeb edition, citing V.Max vi 3 externa 1, the poet's work was banished, not the man himself. I can't recall anywhere reading a report that he visited Sparta in person. However, Loeb might have left that report out. So I'm pasting the sentence here in case it turns out not to be so lame as it looks. McZeus (talk) 09:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: He visited Magna Graecia, Hellenic southern Italy, of which he speaks favorably. He then returned to Paros, 
I don't remember reading this anywhere and I'm not ready to scout around for it yet. It is certainly somebody's invention - the question is: is it somebody long since dead (that's OK) or a WP contributor (that's bad)? We should all be long since dead and then we would all deserve to be quoted. McZeus (talk) 11:53, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sparta? 

message: I've pretty well finished framing the house and now it's up to the plumbers and electricians and painters to add their bit. I might do some painting myself. I'd like to try a translation of some iambics and an 'epode' but there is no hurry. Also more needs to be done on the murky meanings of iambos; and the erotic/obscene stuff; and probably the biggest papyrus find, with its psychological complexity. As I said, it's just the frame so far. Or as Churchill said (to compare great with small) - this is not the end, nor even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning, or maybe even the beginning of the beginning of the end, or possibly even the end of the beginning of the beginning of the end, though that could be going a bit too far. I think he said it in his cups, like Athenaeus. In vino veritas. Or perhaps, in vino the beginning of veritas or maybe in vino the end of the beginning of veritas, or even in vino the end of veritas. Though once again that could be going too far. So. McZeus (talk) 13:09, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  mostly done 

message: McCnut (or whatever he calls himself this week) has made some stylistic changes to the article. They are not an improvement. Although he gets very cross when anybody makes changes to "his" articles, and some of the changes he has made (under his various identities) have been an improvement, they are not in this case. Although he seems to be under the impression that this is his private property, I do not feel the need to pander to his hurt feelings (or his ego) by telling him that his recent changes have improved the article, in this case they haven't, and so in good faith I have reverted them.
ERIDU-DREAMING (talk) 04:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes By McCnut 

message: In the “Poetry” section, there is an image of a bird perched on a rock. The image’s caption boldly and dogmatically declares that “…the rock is a phallic symbol and the kingfisher represents a female partner.” This seems to be an example of a subjective, private opinion being presented as an objective, public fact.Lestrade (talk) 21:22, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mere opinion or encyclopedic fact?