Talk:Ram Bahadur Bomjon

message: "Bomjon's undisputed ability to remain nearly motionless in the same position day after day". It is not undisputed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hg2014 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  please clear up this article so that it is NOPOV plus isn't trying to pretend that the person has supernatural abilities and present it as fact 

message: Como o garoto não esta sendo vigiado a noite, creio que está se alimentando nesse periodo. A fé ludibria as pessoas.
Rodrigo Cavalcanti
What was that you said?--Mimbster 10:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the language is portugese (?). Babelfish translated that as - As the boy this not being watched the night, I believe that it is if feeding in this periodo. The ludibria faith the people. - mskadu 12:01, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Não acredito!! 

message: Can somebody tell me what a "khada" is? 
I wish somebody would also inform us where and when the "video" of Ram Bomjon was shown, and whether everybody, including his parents, agree that it is really he. Very sketchy reporting on all this so far!
Hugh Higgins 20:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No clue on "khada".  As to the video, check the BBC.  There is a very grainy soundless video, but if it's not him then he has a very scruffy twin brother running about.  You can see him speaking on the video.   72.145.102.175 03:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions: 

message: *sigh* 
My date for his birthday was off by a year?  That's disappointing.  -_- 
‣ᓛᖁ[ ᑐ] 00:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...wait,  says he was born in "the month of Chaitra on Baisakh 27, 2046".   says "the full moon day of Chaitra 2046".  Was he born in Chaitra or Baisakh?  ‣ᓛᖁ[ ᑐ] 00:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like we're going to have to find another source... I knew you couldn't have screwed up the date, but I thought the other guy might be right because he actually went and visited. Ashibaka tock 01:30, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chaitra]] 

message: For several reasons:
*The article lacks classification into articles related with Nepal/ Buddhism.
*More info is needed on what buddhism has to say on the reincarnation of buddha
*Cross linking required to any buddhism related material
*More info on where this is happening in Nepal.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mskadu (talk • contribs) 
Read Wikipedia:Stub. "A stub is an article that's obviously too short, but not so short as to be useless." Labelling this a stub is flat-out wrong, and you should avoid doing that for any article longer than one paragraph. As for the items of cleanup you have mentioned, I will fix those four things myself (except for the second one, which I don't understand). Ashibaka tock 01:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Actually I don't understand what you're talking about in the fourth bullet either. Do you want a map? Usually we don't supply maps in articles that aren't about a specific geographic location. Ashibaka tock 01:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking this up. About 2nd bullet - i was wondering if we could discuss a bit on what is buddhisms take on ths subject i.e. is there any related prophecy or myths (maybe). nothing hard and fast - just a suggestion. As for the last bullet, i did not mean a map. I was hoping to see more details about the geographical location of where this is happening - north/south? Any major locations nearby? And on second thoughts - China hasnt said anything in this (yet) has it? -- mskadu 08:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

text: You are correct, I was referring to the theoretical, overarching set of beliefs, which was first concocted by Western Buddhists. Ashibaka tock 16:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why a Stub?

message: I have been getting Google updates on this story from the first. There are only a very few press articles about this boy, or Rinpoche, this amazing being. I am surprised that there are not more, and that there is no good investigative reporting about him or about the people who know him and believe in him. Clearly it's a story which merits a book, and the book would be a good seller. It is amazing even that no one seems to know if he is called "Bomjon" or "Banjan." Surely this ought not to be hard to verify, but it seems the reporters on the story have not even been in Nepal to interview key people. 
This Wikipedia article chimes well with what I have read already in the world press - precious little. It is the best article I have seen, the best summary, and has a few points of information I had not read before. Congratulations to the contributors.
Now we need more!
Hugh Higgins 06:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  We know for sure that he is called Ram Bahadur Bamjan (Bamjan can also be pronounced as Bomjan by the nepali's). Most nepali's will have a Bahadur attached to their name (Bahadur=Valiant). So i dont really think there's much doubt in there. There have been a few bloggers who have visited the village and have written first hand accounts. The disappearance of the boy yesterday has further sensationalized this matter. -mskadu 11:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I suppose so. I am hoping you have heard of and use Google alerts. I use "Ram Bahadur (Bamjan OR Bomjan OR Bomjon)" (sans the quotes, of course) - mskadu 23:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paucity of Info in the Press on Ram Bomjon 

message: I was trying to find a webpage recording the longest that one can survive without food/water. Couldnt find it on Guiness book site. Can anyone verify this? Either that or we remove the reference to the record.  -mskadu 23:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no doubt about that. But we can take the officially recorded (emm..) records as a yard stick. After all, it is mentioned in the article. Otherwise we will need to re-word it accordingly. -mskadu 11:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record? 

message: I am curious as to where the reported May 9, 1989 birthdate of Ram Bamjan came from? I haven't found it in any of the press reports, but then they have not been good at giving any solid biographical information about him. I wish whoever recorded that date here would let me know its source.
As an astrologer, this is important to me. It is fascinating that the traditional birthdate of the Lord Buddha would make him Taurus, and the Wesak festival is celebrated in the month of Taurus annually. Likewise it is the birth-month of Ram Bamjan if this date is correct. It was also, of course, the month he began his prolonged meditation on May 16 or 17 (I have seen both dates) 2005. 
Hugh Higgins 23:25, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Got any good links for someone curious about astrology (sorry, a bit offtopic)
Right, off topic, we may be booted out of here! Of course first I would list my own daily astrological forecast-meditation based on current planetary positions; in it I frequently mention books and teachers I have relied on and learned from. 
*Sir Real 
*Cosmic Connexion 
*Yahoo Group, daily emails
Hugh Higgins 12:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ram Bamjan's Birthdate 

message: I removed the hoaxes category, imo it doesn't belong. Although the food/water bit is obviously not true, I don't think much else is disputed? sinblox (talk) 03:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, but I'm not going to edit war over it.  The article clearly deserves to be categorized as a hoax.  Furthermore, the article is in violation of the NPOV policy.  —Viriditas | Talk 05:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the Hoaxes category is still there - so it would appear there is a "war" here. To call something a hoax is clearly to label it with one's own point of view. Who is the hoaxer here? Ram Bomjon himself has not claimed that he did not eat, not according to anything I have read in any press report. It was "followers" who claimed that. He has not claimed to be a new Buddha, it is "followers" who say that. And where is the hoax? Who is profiting? Nobody, because the funds of the group have been appropriated - or "frozen" in delicate language - by the Nepalese government. This is a clear violation of religious freedom, and so I suggest that rather than "Hoax" this article be classified under "Religious Persecution." Hugh Higgins 10:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You appear to be mistaken.  I have not added the category back into the main article.  In fact, the edit history demonstrates that  added the category to this page at 03:29, 21 March 2006. .  Please get your facts straight before making accusations.  Thank you. —Viriditas | Talk 10:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I made a false accusation I apologize. I was referring to the box with a blue "Hoaxes" in it at the bottom of this discussion page. I assumed that that meant that the article was in the "Hoaxes" category. I don't know why that box is there. Hugh Higgins 11:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just explained why the box is there.  Sinblox added it to this page (I'm guessing by mistake, since he removed it from the main article).  In an act of goodwill, I have removed it from this page, however I am not yet convinced that it doesn't belong on the main page.  —Viriditas | Talk 11:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I did accidently add it to the talk page, sorry about that. sinblox (talk) 00:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If we would call this article a hoax, we would have to call every other articles about religions a hoax too.. That's what i believe i right but many people don't. Let people form their own opinion about wether this is a hoax or not. - 1. Christians believe Jesus can do magic, Sciontologist believes he can't. Therefore we must call Jesus a hoax. - 2. Sciontologist believes in aliens, Christians do not. Therefor we must call Sciontology a hoax.. See? Thymo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thymo (talk • contribs) 14:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoaxes category 

message: The POV represented in this article is far too sympathetic to the outrageous claims made by the proponents, and lacks little if any skepticism regarding the reliability of such claims.  In fact, Bomjon is one of many who have made such claims, some of which have been evaluated, all of which have been determined to be hoaxes perpetuated for the sole purpose of financial gain.  How these claims can be treated seriously is an insult to the intelligence of the reader.  I've changed the "scientific tests" section to "skepticism" which may alleviate some of the POV and allow for further criticism.  I'm not entirely convinced the NPOV tag should be removed just yet.  —Viriditas | Talk 06:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that you have categorized this as a hoax reveals your own fixed POV.  Please try to keep an open mind, and to not judge without confirmed fact.  Calling this case a "hoax" without definitive proof is NPOV.  Calling it true would also be NPOV, but so far everyone has been pretty careful to present only the facts.  The NPOV tag is groundless.  If no one (besides Viriditas) has any objections in the next 24 hours, I will remove the NPOV tag. 72.145.102.175 03:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On Wikipedia, competing points of view require balance and fair characterization.  This has nothing to do with my POV and everything to do with Wikipedia policies. —Viriditas | Talk 10:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yep... Works for me! 72.145.102.175 05:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: It's ironic that someone from within Wikipedia would be shooting the organization in the foot by claiming that the Wikipedia article about Ram Bomjon is not neutral. In fact, it is the fairest article about him I have seen anywhere. 
The section about his early life says in its first sentence "According to family and friends," and that is honest reporting. When one precedes an account with "according to family and friends" one is not vouching for the accuracy of every following detail but reporting what family and friends say about the subject of the article. This is eminently fair. 
The section titled Skepticism is also eminently fair, reporting exactly what the doubts about the claims of not eating are, and leaving no doubt that there is no full evidence, at this point or according to our knowledge from very skimpy press reports, that Ram Bomjon has not eaten for ten months, only full evidence that he has not eaten during the day when people were able to see him. 
This is a religious or spiritual phenomenon. It is not a scientific phenomenon. When reporting on religion or spirituality one reports on what people believe and what they say. One does not 
vouch for the "validity" of what they say because obviously in the realm of religion and spirituality there is often no outward, objective, "scientific" or scientistic way of proving anything at all. The reporter's obligation is to report what people say and believe about the subject with as little bias as possible. This the Wikipedia article does better than any I have read so far.
As an example of biased and twisted "reporting" about Ram Bomjon I present the following, the latest article about him which Google Alerts has turned up on March 21, from the Telegraph 
Group:
Deepening mystery of missing 'Buddha boy'
By Thomas Bell in Kathmandu
(Filed: 21/03/2006)''
The mystery surrounding the disappearance of Nepal's 15-year-old "Buddha Boy" has deepened, after he briefly appeared to supporters then vanished again.
Footage apparently shot on Sunday shows Ram Bomjon, the would-be Buddha, meeting members of the committee that manages his hugely popular, and profitable, pilgrimage site.
This paragraph contains two whoppers which are quite frankly either lies or utterly biased and wrong statements. First, "The would-be Buddha." Ram Bomjon has stated honestly that he is not a Buddha but perhaps a rinpoche, that is, reincarnated lama, which is not entirely rare in Nepal or Tibet. He is not "a would-be Buddha" but just the opposite: He has asked his supporters not to call him a Buddha. So Thomas Bell's racism (perhaps) or biased intolerance is highly visible and disgusting. (Or else he is so utterly uninformed about what Ram Bomjon has said that he ought not to have presumed to write an article about him.) 
The other whopper, which is in fact a slander, is "his hugely popular, and profitable, pilgrimage site." This is something like, in an article about the Pope, mentioning "the Pope's hugely popular, and profitable, pilgrimage site, the Vatican." The bias is so so obvious! One would not call a Christian church "hugely profitable" in an article, at the risk of offending Christian readers, though it may collect hundreds of thousands of dollars every 
Sunday, but it is just fine to imply that Nepalese Buddhists or Hindus are swindlers. As a matter of fact, I have seen no press reports which suggest that funds contributed spontaneously by "pilgrims" have been misused, and the government has been overseeing them. As a matter of fact, they are now "frozen" by the government, so if Ram Bomjon has been "profitable" to anyone it is the Nepalese government, which has seized the funds contributed devotedly by his followers!
Ram is shown with unkempt hair but looking healthy.
We don't know if the reporter combed his hair that morning. 
Committee president Bed Bahadur Lama said Ram left his meditation place 10 days ago because of the noise made by pilgrims.
The circumstances in which seven committee members shot the video two miles from where he meditated were not clear.
Obviously Mr. Bell did not attempt to find out what the circumstances were; nor did he interview anyone who had taken the videos; he has merely read other press reports and reduced them to a few careless sentences. This is typical of the "reporting" about Ram Bomjon. 
The organising committee is the principal source for many of the claims. During Ram's 10-month vigil no visitor has seen him eat or drink, but the attraction was closed to non-committee members at night.
The committee has prevented a medical team from conducting an examination of the teenager.
What is so peculiar to me is that anyone would expect that religious people would want a medical team to examine their spiritual leader. Suppose a reporter went into a charismatic Christian church: Would he insist that a medical team come into the church and examine the heartbeats, breathing, and electromagnetic fields of those who are speaking in tongues or praying with uplifted hands? No, but if the spiritual individual is a Buddhist bhikku sitting under a tree he ought to subject himself to such intrusion into his meditation and his own body. Really? Who said so?
Santaraj Subedi, the chief official in the district, said yesterday that the bank account that he had insisted the committee open had been frozen after Ram's disappearance. It contained more than £500,000.
In other words, one might say, the government has stolen the money contributed sincerely by those who wanted it to go for the support of Ram Bomjon and those who were helping him.
Mr Subedi is urgently trying to track down Ram.
If this were in order to find out what Ram wants him to do with the money, honestly and sincerely, wonderful. But we don't know, and this is just one more example of the shoddy reporting on this story.
Wikipedia has done the best job of anyone at putting together a readable, fair, and documented report on Ram Bomjon. Not knowing their names, I commend those who have contributed their time so responsibly.
Hugh Higgins 10:33, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that you too (if you are not also the anonymous user listed above) do not understand the NPOV policy.  I understand that you've only been here since March 11.  —Viriditas | Talk 10:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality: This is the Fairest Article I've seen about Ram Bomjon 

message: The "Buddha Boy" has reappeared. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061225/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_nepal_boy Now edit this article with the new information provided. Knight45 12:35, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Zazaban's immediate take, this story is doubly messed up by vague reporting and vague translation. It's unclear whether Bomjon remained at his meditations spot after a flood of visitors came. I've summarized the most obvious facts cautiously. Ashibaka (tock) 23:35, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

text: the story is quite amazing. Any more information on his childhood and motivation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.213.198.142 (talk) 12:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reappearance 

message: Article should mention similar cases, as this phenomenon whereby the attention gets removed from the sensory world for long periods is not unknown, esp in autism. Ramana Maharshi and Meher Baba had similar experiences and Meher Baba chronicled many masts who suffered this absorption in the divine.  It is a natural human faculty, just not usually cultivated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.248.81 (talk) 08:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar Cases 

message: I have removed the following paragraph:Removed Tummo paragraph
"Ram Bomjon is known to be a practitioner of Tummo meditation[citation needed], which allows his metabolism to slow to a rate at which he does not need to eat for many years[citation needed]. Although these types of retreat are common in Tibetan Buddhism, Bomjon's case is more publicized because he was meditating in a public place, whereas most other practitioners would meditate in caves or buildings[citation needed]."
There is no evidence to support any of these claims. Reidlophile (talk) 14:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Tummo paragraph 

message: The link is dead. Was it a real citation? 93.97.33.86 (talk) 08:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Number 15 

message: Anyone have a description of this (presumable) instrument? Rumiton (talk) 13:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe. It would be nice to know for sure. Rumiton (talk) 09:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Tangur

message: I'm going to change the "18 days without water..." sentence without citation to
"The longest time a human has survived without food is around 2.5 months, before one dies of starvation"Documentary; Documentary about the Buddha Boy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvindan Thekkadath (talk • contribs) 15:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to undo your edit. Youtube is not a reliable source for Wikipedia, as the above completely different interpretations of one video illustrate. The first words you have used ("It has been documented...") are also weasel words. Rumiton (talk) 15:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

text: No problem. Thanks for your great attitude. Rumiton (talk) 11:34, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation, sentence change 

message: :Dear Sirs, I am mentioned in the above article as the "Slovak woman". I did not practice witchcraft and never wanted to stop Bomjon's meditation. I was invited there by devotees to help as a volunteer translator in 2011, and I was enthusiastically working in his service all the time. I was and am his devotee and myself meditate. I never disturbed or blocked his meditation. Please correct your article, showing untrue data. Please also publish my website, explaining in detail all the affair. Thank you, Marici, Zsuzsanna Takacs, Slovakia. 
Shii (tock) 03:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Was it you who was "held hostage"? Rumiton (talk) 12:18, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to the user page of Shii it's a he, so how could he be the slovak woman? lol ludicrous post claiming to be the slovak woman in the article. Lookinhotbra (talk)  13:26, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: When the website was up, it had more information .... Hardly ludicrous. Shii (tock) 15:17, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  From [[Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/Ram_Bahadur_Bomjon/126372|feedback]] 

message: But I cannot delete, resp. replace, the same link in the References chapter. It is blocked to add new corrections o links. Concerning Ram Bomjon and his Sangha, the Home Page of my website is relevant, not a text questioning their libel attempts to create an image that I am mad...
Please, remove that link or replace it with the Home Page.  
Thank you. 
Please, stay serious, un-biased and balanced, when editing this entry, about a person wand group who have not only worshippers, but also ...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marici Punarvasu (talk • contribs) 19:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  References: Please remove the link of article and replace with Home Page link 

message: 1. 
This part only cites a blogger's point of view. I suggest we need to look for verified sources, such as, the Discovery Channel conducted a documentary on Rom called "The Boy with Divine Power". The below part is clearly a twisting of the truth since most of the stuff are only coming from a blogger. 
On 26 March 2007, news spread of Bomjon meditating underground. Inspector Rameshwor Yadav of the Area Police Post Nijgadh, found Bomjon inside an underground chamber, a bunker-like ditch seven feet square. "His face was clean and hair was combed well," Yadav said. According to him, the chamber had been cemented from all sides and fitted with a tiled roof. Indra Lama, a local deployed as Bomjon's caretaker since the beginning of his intensive meditation, said the chamber was prepared per Bomjon's request. "After granting audience a week ago, he expressed his desire to meditate inside the ground; so we built it," he said.[13]http://blog.com.np/2007/03/28/buddha-boy-update-ram-bahadur-bomjon-now-meditating-in-pit/"
This is what it should be like and was published originally on this website but was deleted:
please change the above  to the below: 
"In 2006, Discovery Channel showed a 45-minute documentary titled The Boy With Divine Powers. One of the aims was to establish whether Ram was indeed abstaining from all sustenance, water included, by filming him continuously for four days and nights. On their first attempt, in January 2006, the film crew was required to stay outside a guarded barbed-wire fence, and their camera's infrared capabilities did not pick up evidence of a body at the base of the tree where Bomjon sat during their non-stop recording. On a second attempt a few weeks later, however, the film crew was able to film Ram continuously for 96 hours, day and night, during which time he did not change his position and did not drink any fluids or eat any food. As Discovery Channel's  commentator concluded: "After 96 hours of filming, Ram has defied modern science by continuing his meditation and remaining alive."
According to scientists on the documentary, an average person would be expected to die from kidney failure after four days without drinking any fluids (although cases of inedia lasting for a whole week have been observed). The boy showed no signs of classical physical deterioration caused by dehydration. A close inspection by the film crew of the area around the tree where Ram was sitting revealed no hidden food supply or water pipes.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhMnSzOEe1E&NR=1
In 2008, Min Bahadur Shakya of the Nagarjuna Institute of Exact Methods in Kathmandu, stated that Buddhist priests have yet to investigate Ram.
2. The following part uses citation that tells exactly the opposite of what is stated. Therefore, this content is not verified and seems like an allegation of a living person - This is clearly a Violations of the biographies of living persons policy. And thus should be immediately deleted.
"At the orders of Dharma Sangha a Slovak woman known as Marici was held captive for three months by his followers.[22] "
3. . 
"Bamjan, who preaches against violence, hacked a local youth with a sword critically injuring him two years ago. He disappeared after the incident for nine months. Later he was found in Bagjhor forest with a sword, but no action was taken against him." A short French Television documentary shows Bomjon with a sword."
The first citation is from a blogger whose source cannot be verified. This seems like an allegation to a living person -- a Violations of the biographies of living persons policy. And thus should be immediately deleted. The second citation is from a French website which makes no sense to the English audience at all. 
4. 
"When Bamjan changed his place of meditation after the incident and shifted to Halkhoriya forest, his followers had put up a three-square kilometer wire fence in the national forest. However, District Forest Office failed to take any action."
"Bamjan had beaten up 17 locals of Bara Manarwa about one-and-half year ago detaining them for 24 hours as they had entered inside his fence in search of wild shoots and fruits. The victims filed FIR against Bamjan, but no action was taken."
This part has no citation or whatsoever. Seems clearly an allegation to a living person. This is clearly a Violations of the biographies of living persons policy. And thus should be immediately deleted.
5. 
"According to the 2013 Report of Amnesty International on Nepal, the prolonged political crisis currently does not enable an effective law enforcement, thus the extensive controversial behavior of Ram Bahadur Bomjon can continue often unnoticed by the wide public, the perpetrators enjoying impunity."
This part is not relevant to the topic at all. Thus, Should be delete. 
6. The following part uses citation that tells exactly the opposite of what is stated. Therefore, this content is not verified and seems like an allegation of a living person - This is clearly a Violations of the biographies of living persons policy. And thus should be immediately deleted.
"She was tied up in a tent in the forest of Halkhoriya, not far from Dharma Sangha's meditation site, where she was sexually abused by Palden Dorje's follower Darshan Subba Limbu. She was released on March 25, 2012.[23] "
7. The following part was created by the same person who managed the website. This is clearly a promotion of the person's own website for personal purpose. This is clearly a violation of the policy of Wikipedia and should be deleted immemdiately. 
"She later created a website about her experiences. On the same day a Nepalese woman called Maata, who had been held captive for two months under similar circumstances, was released by the followers. 
8. The following part uses unverified and untrue citation. The website is clearly not a leading Nepali Avenue TV, but a hoax website for allegation. The person who put up this content should be refined from posting because of dis-integrity.  
The leading Nepali Avenue TV made a documentary about the case of the two women, recorded here."
9. Again, the following material tells exactly the opposite of what the citation is about. This is clearly an allegation and a severe violation of the living person. This makes it sound like the person in question was the one who committed forgery, when in fact, according to the same source, it has nothing to with Rom  at all. 
"The birth certificate forgery
The leading Nepali newspaper The Himalayan Times published another controversy concerning the Buddha Boy on 14 June 2012:
"VDC Secretary Ansari is accused of recommending citizenship certificate to Bamjan by forging a birth certificate in the name of Dharma Sangh, a body formed for his protection. According to CDO Birendra Kumar Yadav of Bara, Ansari has been handed over to the district police office for necessary investigation in connection with the birth certificate forgery case, against which Bamjan’s family had moved the administration. Ansari has pleaded guilty. Ever since the forged birth certificate was made, the sangh has been demanding that Bamjan be issued a citizenship certificate on the basis of his recent birth registration."
10. 
All of the below content coming from a single source -- The Himalayan Times. If one can do a little bit of research, such as, google, this newspaper is not "The leading Nepali newspaper" at all. This newspaper represents only a narrow side of the view of the issue and mainly represent a small group of interests. Clearly, the author who put this content has selectively chosen the citations and deleted purposely other sides of the views on this page. This is clearly becoming an allegation of the living person in question. This is clearly a Violations of the biographies of living persons policy. And thus should be immediately deleted. 
"The birth certificate forgery
The leading Nepali newspaper The Himalayan Times published another controversy concerning the Buddha Boy on 14 June 2012:
"VDC Secretary Ansari is accused of recommending citizenship certificate to Bamjan by forging a birth certificate in the name of Dharma Sangh, a body formed for his protection. According to CDO Birendra Kumar Yadav of Bara, Ansari has been handed over to the district police office for necessary investigation in connection with the birth certificate forgery case, against which Bamjan’s family had moved the administration. Ansari has pleaded guilty. Ever since the forged birth certificate was made, the sangh has been demanding that Bamjan be issued a citizenship certificate on the basis of his recent birth registration."
The 2012 violent clash
The Himalayan Times writes on 14 June 2012:
"To press for the fulfilment [sic] of their demand, the sangh has also hit the street of late. Yesterday, police clashed with Bamjan’s supporters who were obstructing the Pathlaiya-Nijgadh road section, which left some of Bamjan’s supporters and security personnel injured."
The leading Nepali news provider Ekantipur had detailed the incident:
"BARA, JUN 12 - Twenty-four people were injured in a clash between local people and followers of Ram Bahadur Bamjan ... at Piluwa in Bara district .... along the East West Highway to press the government to provide a diplomatic passport to Bamjan by recognising his status as a 'religious guru'. It is learnt that the local youths intervened in the demonstration after Bajman's followers started smashing up parked vehicles. Police personnel from Simara, Nijgadh and Jitpur sent to clear the traffic obstruction charged batons and lobbed teargas shells to disperse the demonstrators. Police also fired a few rounds in the air. Twelve security personnel were injured when Bajman's followers clash ed with them. Police said the injured were taken to Narayani Sub-Regional Hospital in Birgunj for treatment. Witnesses said the followers of Bajman who were armed with sticks started protesting since early morning and did not pay heed to locals' request to not create any inconvenience to the public. Eventually, the local people decided to retaliate. The police also confiscated 36 bicycles, seven motorcycles and a tractor used by Bamjan's followers."
Bomjon attacks his own family members
The Himalayan Times gave a detail about the incident on 3 April 2012:
"Bamjan thrashed his brother after he, along with his two brothers and some others, reached the Halkhoriya jungle to urge him to initiate action against those who had ‘sexually harassed’ the Slovak woman in captivity. ... Those who had gone to meet Bamjan accused Limbu of wielding a sword to chase them away and Bamjan of thrashing the eldest brother Ganga Bahadur and holding Ganga and other two brothers (Dil Bahadur and Babulal) hostage. ... Bamjan’s sister Raj Kumari said her three brothers had visited Halkhoriya to tell Bamjan that unruly behaviour of some of his followers was tarnishing Bamjan and Sangh’s image. Bamjan’s mother and sisters had reached the Halkhoriya jungle this morning. Bamjan’s younger sister Asali Lama said even she was thrashed by Bamjan. “He beat me up when we reached there to free our brothers,” said Asali. “Guru (Bamjan) hit me on my head but said nothing.”
Attack on journalists
The Himalayan Times details the incident on 22 March 2012:
"Volunteers attending to Ram Bahadur Bamjan ... today beat up five journalists. Bibhu Adhikari of News 24 TV, Resham Tiwari of NTV, Prakash Lamsal of Image Channel, Binod Pyakurel of TTV and Basant Khatiwada of the Mofasal Dot Com Weekly fell victim to the wrath of the aides of Bamjan,...Following the attack, the journalists rushed to an Armed Police Force camp in Piluwa. “We were filming Bamjan’s sermon but suddenly his aides attacked us and seized our cameras,” said Adhikari."
The documentary's title is Prime Story - Shanti ki Aatanka.
Buddha Boy's eviction from Halkhoriya
The Himalayan Times writes on 28 June 2012:
"District Forest Office, Bara on Thursday demolished illegal structures in the Halkhoria forest area after Ram Bahadur Bamjan, popularly known as the Buddha Boy, left the forest and headed to Sindhuli in the night of June 5. ... “We have started demolishing the structures illegally built by Bamjan and his henchmen in order to discourage any encroachment of forest land in future,” said district forest office chief Ramanandan Sah. The forest office has also removed the barbed-wire fence erected by the Bodhi Shrawan Dharma Sangh, a body formed to provide protection to Bamjan, around the mediation site. The forest office has also taken control of the Ratanpuri forest area, which is said to be Bamjan’s first meditation site and is learnt to be preparing to hand over the forest to a community forest."
The demolition had been recorded by the Canada-Nepal TV and the eviction desribed on Nepalrodi.
The Sarlahi violence
According to an article of The Himalayan Times from 8 July 2012, Maitriya Guru Maha Sambodhi Dharma Sangha had settled in Nepal's Sindhuli District, in 2012. From here he had moved to the Sarlahi District the same year. According to The Himalayan Times, here another violent incident made the headlines:
"Injured Mohan Gurmachhan complained that Buddha Boy’s assistants took them to Bomjan’s abode and thrashed them. Mohan said 13 youths including Sushil Lama, and Min Bahadur Biswokarma were injured in the incident... Irate locals have demanded the perpetrators offer apology and quit the village at the earliest. Area Police Office Pattharkot in-charge Santosh Shrestha said they had decided to ask Ankit Lama, one of the Bomjan’s aides, to apologise and quit the village. “We will not allow people to break the law in the name of religion,” he added."
Bomjon soon after this incident had to leave Sarlahi in 2013, settling in the Northern district of Sindhupalchok. Here he had announced the start of his New Dharma "from zero".
The reputation clearing campaign
After the amount of controversies had filled the Nepali media with numerous articles, the Official Sangha of Ram Bomjon announced a widespread clear-up of the reputation of their in 2012. As a result, a considerable amount of articles published in the Nepali media, as well as critical blogs and online videos about the controversial issues of Ram Bahadur Bomjon, had been deleted, or made unsearchable. In an attempt to replace the formerly critical Himalayan Times, a new blog site had been founded by pro-bomjonists in 2013, intriguingly using a similar name (Himalayan) and blue color for their header like the above mentioned official Nepali media, calling the site The Himalayan Voice."
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This part is completely without any citation or verification.  This is clearly a Violations of the biographies of living persons policy and also Wikipedia's policy. And thus should be deleted immediately . 
"Buddha Boy and Buddhism
As to the present, there are no official statements available from the 14th Dalai Lama, as to what extent the controversial activity of Maitreya Guru Maha Sambodhi Dharma Sangha is in tune with the Buddhist Dharma. According to his followers the Dalai Lama had repeatedly acknowledged him. They had announced that their Guru Ram Bomjon is the expected Maitreya Buddha, whom Gautama Buddha had foretold to come to preach a new Dharma."
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This part is completely without any citation or verification.  This is clearly a Violations of the biographies of living persons policy and also Wikipedia's policy. And thus should be deleted immediately . 
”The ownership dispute of the Halkhoriya Jungle
One of Bomjon’s reasons to attack individuals was their alleged breaching of his private ban to enter his compound, fenced with a 13 km barbed wire fence. Yet the Halkhoriya Jungle is a Government owned land, and as such, according to the Nepali law, everyone is free to visit it and stay in it, locals being allowed to use its resources as well. According to the system of the Community Forestry system (see Wikipedia), the residents of surrounding villages had the right to enter such jungles and collect herbs, fire-wood, fruits or let their animals graze. It is well-known among villagers in the area that certain high grass suitable for grazing or a special expensive herb, like the Kurilo, as well as a rare green vegetable called Niuro Saag (Fiddlehead Fern), can be found in the area of Halkhoriya Jungle, where Bomjon's compound had been built.
Bomjon’s victims had not breached the law when visiting the public jungle, which had been available for many other people in the same time of the incidents, including tens of his own followers, residing in his compound. On the other hand, the Nepali media had repeatedly pointed out that Bomjon had constructed many concrete houses on the Government owned jungle land without permission, destroying trees and water-systems. Yet the Buddha Boy’s presence also kept away hunters, poachers and illegal wood-cutters from the area, providing protection to wild animals.“
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Contents involves allegation, belittling, or  a Violations of the biographies of living persons policy and also Wikipedia's policy, should be deleted immediately, as stated above. If I am not using the correct format when submitting this request, please kindly let me know how to correct the formats, because this piece is becoming severely negative towards the person involved and should be edited immediately. 
Littleteahouse (talk) 05:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. The length of the request makes it difficult, if not impossible, to comply with. Please discuss the requested edits with involved editors first in order to establish a consensus for these alterations. Sam Sailor Sing 18:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2014 

message: It seems like there has been a lot of text added under controversies that simply disparage "Buddha boy" and interestingly enough all of them point to one single newspaper article to make all of these pretty damning allegations. I urge Wikipedia to reconsider this content as it doesn't really add any value other than to allege incidents based on a tabloid.
199.212.27.235 (talk) 14:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sam Sailor Sing 18:43, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2014 

message: The section is atrocious. It contains a bunch of original research and synthesis and largely relies on The Himalayan Times and some blogs. It's particularly bad because the claims deal with a living person. I plan to remove a significant amount of the claims and the editorialising, and I would appreciate it if an established, neutral editor familiar with Nepal could say whether The Himalayan Times is acceptable as a reliable source for factual claims. wctaiwan (talk) 22:10, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The controversies section 

message: Yesterday I added these lines:
..... and they were soon deleted by someone. Why? Factually it is completely correct. And it is essential to include this, because it shows that Bomjan has his dark sides as well. And deleting this is bad as well, because Wiki's purpose is to present readers with a balanced image of the subject.
So, I have put these lines back. 
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Rabbit1833 (talk) 09:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The lines are not removed, they are in the "Controversies" section. Shii (tock) 19:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

text: the line about Marici's website has already been deleted, no doubt by followers of the guru. Please don't make silly accusations like that. It was removed for the reasons in the edit summary: it is completely unreferenced and the fact that one person made a website filled with unsubstantiated accusations isn't terribly notable. We are bound by WP:BLP here which states " All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be explicitly attributed to a reliable, published source, which is usually done with an inline citation. Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Helpsome (talk) 13:32, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taking prisoners 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Could some sources or statements be added to mention his breatharianism besides the categories section? At most it says that he has gone without eating or drinking for days at a time, but nothing in the article, not even unsourced claims, state that he's a breatharian or seems to indicate it. Kamusisto (talk) 15:10, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think he has claimed that, and no source that I have seen uses the word. If we were to add that to the article it would be original research at best.
Rumiton (talk) 03:43, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breatharianism 

message: Exactly this happens when editors do not read articles and do not click on sources. For long years, it seems, there was the original text "slightly altered" to a more sensational number of days that the alleged scientists observed him for (from 3 meters, what kind of medical examination is that, anyway?): the author or editor entered the number of days that he allegedly stayed without food as 96! Now when you click on the source itself, in reality the Nepalnews article shows 48! The author also left out the important conclusion of the media source: "However, they were unable to approach him closer than three meters or take readings of his vital signs, other than to confirm that he was alive and breathing. The team suggested testing his blood to prove whether he has taken any food but the management committee rejected the proposal. Any physical examination of Bomjon was not acceptable to the Committee." This changes the whole picture and stops to stand as a "scientific proof" like it is presented by Bomjon's followers as well as the author/editor of this section. It seems someone tried to manipulate the source to look more "miraculous" a few years back, and no editor checked it. I also deleted the quote of George Saunders in https://www.gq.com/ as that is not a serious mainstream media to quote from on Wikipedia. It looks like an online tabloid magazine. We have plenty of serious mainstream media sources I collected in the article Media on Ram Bahadur Bomjon's controversies, to quote from.DarkAges 05:38, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Altered number of days (differing from the source) in quote in Claims of media  

message: The whole article was stuck in the past somewhere in 2005 - 2008, with jumping to 2010 and 2012 to mention two controversies. This creates a feeling that the person is not active anymore, what is not true. I have updated to mirror the present information about him the introductory chapter, the info template, the chapter Buddhist background and changed the 5th chapter's name to Claims of scientific proofs (Claims of media was not matching what it was). As from Bomjon's public sitting 12 years had passed with lots of events to be added, 
- I think it would be reasonable to compress Wandering in Bara District, Meditating in a pit, Preaching in Halkhoriya jungle, Reappearance in Ratanpuri jungle into chapters that are covering bigger time blocs. 
- Buddhist background had been abandoned by him and he gradually created a new religion Maitri Dharma, and in my opinion that should be described in one chapter with the Buddhist background text, to show how he gradually changed from Buddhism to Maitri religion. I would name that chapter then "Religious identity"? or Religious transformations? adding the totally latest information from the Setopati interview (in the Media on Ram Bahadur Bomjon Controversies), that he is supposed to be above Gautama Buddha and Paramatman...
- Text from Meditating in a pit and Wandering in Bara District, Reappearance in Ratanpuri - these all are dealing with his famous "disappearances", and there are more such. These disappearances and changes of places could be covered in a single chapter briefly.
- Text from Preaching in Halkhoriya jungle could be added to a new short chapter describing a brief list of all his preachings, as there had been many already, with adding dates and places.(like Halkhoriya, Ratanpuri, Sindhuli, Sarlahi, Lamjung, Chitwan, Bungamati) 
- I would add a chapter about his many centers/ashrams/compounds in Nepal with some information about when he moved there and how long he stayed (Halkhoriya, Ratanpuri, Sindhuli, Sarlahi, Sindhupalchowk, plus plans to open a new in Dhanusha District). 
- I have elaborated his new religion's main points in a short paragraph, but I would add I later to match with the next chapters - to the Buddhist background chapter (after renaming Religious identity?) 
- the Controversies chapter is too short compared to the reality. It needs to be updated wit the many other controversies,especially with the mainstream media interview claim of his follower that he had hands in the death of his sister, I think.
- Last chapter Media coverage would mention the situation with media versus Bomjon and list the rich media coverage.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaliage (talk • contribs) 18:44, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The necessity to update article 

message: I am explaining here why did I undo QuickFixMe's addition that Ram Bomjon is a breatharian (a version of this is on his own Talk page):
I am sorry QuickFixMe, but I had to undo your edit that Ram Bahadur Bomjon is a breatharian. Please have a look at this Talk Page above  where Rumiton mentions a valid argument: Ram Bomjon himself had never claimed that he would be a breatharian. Moreover, he had been living on herbs after he disappeared in 2006, according to his own words. Herbs in Nepali jungle means 80+ types of nutritious wild edible vegetables, roots, mushrooms and fruits""On 25 December 2006, villagers in Bara district spotted Bomjon meditating. He was carrying a sword for protection in the jungle, reminding reporters that "Even Gautama Buddha had to protect himself," and claimed to have eaten nothing but herbs in the interim."(Wandering in Bara District) And I remember his own description somwhere I read, I think you find it in detailed biographies, that when he was crossing some river after the start of his meditation, he was eating a wild mango... This all is not breathariansim. Eating occasionally and starving occasionally is called "fasting". Also, I don't know how far you are updating yourself on this topic, but he had started eating, publicly, at a Puja event in April 11, 2012. But to be honest, breatharianism is a new and specific (Western!) belief system (movement?) and Bomjon had never used this concrete English word or its Nepali equivalent (is there any?) to describe his temporary fasting. If you do not agree, please discuss this issue (which had been already agreed upon as far as I know, above) with others in thsi Talk page. Thank you.DarkAges 15:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I am OK with your change, primary objective of my edits on wikipedia is technical in nature, example provide hyper text navigation, add Geo-coordinates, fix punctuation issue etc. I see link from Breatharianism page to Ram Bahadur Bomjon but not reverse, so I was adding link to make it easy for people like me. If you can add more links like that it will be great help for us.  --QuickFixMe (talk) 19:46, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I am relieved that you are not some follower of any of the two who is trying to strengthen their validity with linking to the other one, because then emotions would be involved. Another note from The Independent that he was hardly a breatharian: "When Mr Bamjon first became famous reporters filmed him eating, even though his supporters said he could go without food or drink for days." It surprises me that there is still the link from there, but in the beginning (2005-2008) many people were apparently putting Ram Bomjon to different categories, vegans, animal right activists, ecologists, all applauded they got a representative, and often repeated in the media is the "Buddha's reincarnation" claim, for example.  But he and his followers believe he is the Maitreya Buddha, so I added a note to the relevant pages. Due to controversial issues (violence, etc.), which are overwhelming (see AfD article Media on Ram Bahadur Bomjon's controversieses) I would personally cross-link this main article with New religious movements and Cults on Wikipedia. But I am worried to do this myself, after my Media on Ram Bahadur Bomjon's controversies article was not accepted. Linking with Cults could be offending, maybe. Yet could be useful to balance the miraculous and messianic claims. I will think about more links.DarkAges 05:35, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breatharianism added by QuickFixMe and undone by me 

message: Please see  for a discussion regarding Zsuzsanna Takacs, who is mentioned in the article. — Newslinger talk 11:35, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion regarding Zsuzsanna Takacs at [[Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources/Noticeboard]] 

message: Is this  a reliable source? Simonm223 (talk) 15:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent developments 

message: As I was that victim Zsuzsanna Takacs, I not only had been not rescued by any police, but the fact is that my release had been initiated by the heroic investigation by the 5 journalists who arrived before my release and not after, as the article claims. The main reason for their investigation was actually to find my whereabouts in Bomjon's jungle, as they had been mobilized by Lama Tcheku, in whose monastery I was staying (thus again, the article is incorrect claiming that I was in a hotel and kidnapped from that hotel). The journalists arrived on Wednesday, 21 March 2012, as the media informed that time, for example The Himalayan Times. So please, correct it, as not only the chronology, but also the sense of their arrival is altered by this mistake. Also incorrect:
1, I was not kidnapped from a hotel, but from the East-West Highway at the Halkhoriya Jungle, by the motorbike of Darshan Limbu. I did not stay in a hotel that time, but in Simara's Buddhist monastery
2, I was not rescued by the police but released by Bomjon himself after the 5 journalists incident (21th March), and other pressure from media and foreign friends, on the 24th of March. 
3, I did not have "one arm broken".this mistaken wire information is based surely on the bad translation of Nepalis. I had both of my wrists broken in reality and I provided x-rays on my websites.  
ZsuzsannaTakacs (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We are now discussing this in 4 separate forums, see wp:forumshopping, note I think this is due to inexperience, but this needs to be discussed in one place.Slatersteven (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Journalists arrived before and not after the Slovak woman's release