Talk:Amorality

message: There is a negative POV in this article towards the concept of amorality. The intro points out negative examples of amorality, such as people with anti-social personality disorder and points to business corporations as a whole as being amoral - very opinionated POV. Amorality is not merely a psychological concept but a philosophical concept. From a philosophical context, amorality claims that morality is socially-constructed. It is true that there is the negative example of people with anti-social personality disorder are amoral and do not have the emotional capacity to feel morality, but there are positive examples, i.e. savant autistic geniuses who have limited to no emotional response due to strong autism.--R-41 (talk) 19:09, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Amorality is definitely not the philosophical claim that morality is socially-constructed. That would be some form of ethical subjectivism or moral relativism. There are arguments that those positions collapse to moral nihilism, which is closely related to amorality. But amorality is not just the adherence to moral nihilism, though adherence to moral nihilism would make one amoral. As the article well describes, with sources, amorality is the "absence of, indifference towards, or disregard for" moral beliefs; moral nihilism only encompasses the last of those, but there are people or entities (newborns, corporations, etc, as the article says) which have not considered, or not settled any opinion on, any moral questions, and so lack moral beliefs and are thus amoral. I don't see the negative light you think is shining to harshly on this article. --Pfhorrest (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative POV in this article towards the concept of amorality 

message: "if this behavior is a voluntary response to ethical norms, then animals do have morality"
This is tautological as ethical norms presuppose morality.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.244.110 (talk) 08:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal morality 

message: the section about batman and the killing joke is bizarre and out of place.  the length and detail of it seems incongruent with the rest of this article.
Prefetch (talk)
When it was originally added, it was just a small description, similar to the Steinbeck example.  A later editor disagreed with the example, and gave the large paragraph detailing it. Further editors made it flow better... but agreed it is largely out of place.  I've left the base example, but removed all the details. TimOertel (talk) 18:06, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amorality in Popular Culture 

message: This article sucks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.202.89.58 (talk) 04:33, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amorality  

message: Moral nihilism Vote Merge 
Amorality Vote Merge
All three of these positions should be handled by the same entry. All some form of rejection of morality, almost always closely tied together and asserted together. I think "Moral Skepticism" is the entry to unify all of these positions/concepts under because "skepticism" and "moral skepticism" is the label most often used by philosophers to discuss these issues in both ethics and epistemology. - Atfyfe (talk) 23:13, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This should not be merged, there is a large difference, skepticism is being skeptical of any claims that there is a meaning/reason to life, nihilism is determining that there is not a reason for our life. Nihilism almost always eventually leads to suicide, but skeptics can lead long happy lives.Lee Tru. (talk) 23:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Lee's closing comments here are really appropriate, but I agree that a merger is unwarranted because, as he suggests, skepticism is an epistemological position, while nihilism is an ontological position. The skeptic says we don't know or can't prove moral claims; the nihilist says they are definitely false. Certainly skepticism can lead to nihilism, but it doesn't have to, and the two are not the same. --Pfhorrest (talk) 00:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thirded. No merger. I agree that Lee's editorializing is utterly ridiculous and betrays a gross misunderstanding of meta-ethical positions and in particular the claims of moral error theorists. Nevertheless, Lee is correct that moral nihilists are committed to a stronger claim than moral skeptics. "Moral nihilism" is a subspecies of moral skepticism, though there are certainly moral skeptics, who are not moral nihilists. Merger is a preposterous idea. That would be like proposing a merger between the article on "frogs" and the article on "amphibians." 151.42.63.157(talk) 17:14, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Moral nihilism is an amoral meta-ethical philosophy, but amorality is not necessarily a product of moral ratiocination: animals, corporations, robots, systems, and other entities can and often do exhibit amorality.   — C M B J   00:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[moral nihilism]] and [[amorality]] 

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