Talk:Legal status of transgender people

message: I'm pretty sure the italian Vladimir Luxuria was the first transgender mp in Europe, and that's what her wikipedia page says, am I wrong? Kevinlokomotiv (talk) 17:45, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vladimir Luxuria 

message: I added the cleanup tag since the South Africa text needs to be rewritten; possibly other sections as well. 83.177.66.212 13:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed the South African stuff does need a re-write. The position IIRC is that the Apartheid Government actually passed a law granting rights to transsexuals and post apartheid these rights are now enshrined in the constitution. But I don't have references. Additionally the Australia, New Zealand and Canada are not in Africa!!:-)  Wilmot1 23:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: That too, but what's with the mess under Corbett vs Corbett? It looks like someone's put half the information about Australia's "Kevin" case under that - but it starts talking about the English decision, and then goes straight into talking about "Chisholm", without mentioning who the heck he is. Ambivalenthysteria 13:17, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Looks much better. Nice work! :) Ambivalenthysteria 15:45, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The UK section is very lucid.  It certainly makes plain how deficient the United States section is, though admittedly conveying a correct and itemized understanding of rights, procedures, etc., in the 50 states is a much more difficult job.  Wareh 18:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Reading this slough, there is hardly any mention of countries that ban or have no tolerance for these actions. Surely the summary at the start shoould note that a good chunk of countries are opposed and do not allow.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.147.67 (talk) 06:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Enough Mention of Opposed Countries 

message: Just added in a new section, please feel free to keep an eye on it as new news comes in. I'm pretty sure that good ol' Downer will launch an appeal, just as the federal government appealed Kevin's case.
Lwollert 03:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passports and Australia 

message: At the risk of trying to paint a bike shed: I propose the title be changed from “Legal aspects of transsexualism” to “Legal aspects of gender transition”.
Strictly, the legal issues arise from changing the gender with which one is publicly and legally associated, rather than from being associated with an incorrect gender.
(Also, “transsexualism” sounds more like a medical complaint than a run-in with society's preconceptions.)—Greg K Nicholson (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not all people who are born with transsexual body-parts (e.g. girls who are born with masculinized body-parts) like the idea that this condition has to do with a gender-identification. A body is a body. --5.56.219.54 (talk) 14:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Transsexualism” → “gender transition” 

message: I edited out a section in the legal statis of transsexualism in Japan.  Originally the section claimed that transexuals are constantly laughed at through TV show and commercials yet there is no source or referance to back this up.  The same can be said with several other aspects that I removed such as transexuals that are offered jobs that lead them to suicide or slavery.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.145.209 (talk) 04:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit made to Japan section

message: This may be of use for this article: http://www.transrespect-transphobia.org/en_US/mapping.htm --Alynna (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: New resource

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message: according to these two articles, gender change has been legal in Egypt since 10 years ago, and in lebanon few days gao
http://www.madamasr.com/sections/politics/being-transgender-egypt
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/lebanon-grants-trans-people-right-to-legally-change-their-gender/#gs.ddba47202e6a49cea9fc63ef236529b9
we need someone to change the map and update the article etc...
--208.118.170.2 (talk) 20:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Egypt & Lebanon

message: I think the lead section here is too bulky. There is some information with weasel words that could be cut or use citation. "There is now greater understanding..." with no citation demonstrating this. Under the Philippines section there is use of a large block quote and some paraphrasing.VeygonKeesh (talk) 07:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead section and large block quotes

message: The UN Human Rights Committee ruled in favor of a transgender woman who is seeking to remain married while transitioning. Current Australian law states that if a person seeks to change their birth certificate, they must get divorced first. I know this is non-binding (I think), but I think this is significant enough to earn a mention somewhere in the article.https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/trans-woman-behind-landmark-un-decision-speaks?utm_term=.sdrjm14qQr#.qcxmayNLr6https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/un-backs-married-trans-woman-fighting-for-birth-certificate?utm_term=.rpjYOZpkmJ#.ttE06A3pqe  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TenorTwelve (talk • contribs) 01:52, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The UN Human Rights Committee, Australia, and transitioning while married 

message: The lead sentence needs to have a definition of the title topic.  This can either be bolded, or not bolded if it doesn't make sense to include the title string in the first sentence (but in the case of this topic, it should be included and bolded).  In either case, the definition needs to occur in sentence #1. Mathglot (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead sentence needs definition 

message: Right to change legal name	Right to change legal gender	Right to access medical treatment	Right to marry	Anti-discrimination laws	Hate speech/hate crime laws
Please can any thoughts on this be made, here. I hope to be able to begin implementing this soon. Intersex rights and Sexual orientation rights are a lot fuller than the equivalent for Transgender rights, including a lack of simple table. Sport and politics (talk) 12:40, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of issues in transgender rights: Right to have gender affirmative parental status , Right to change legal gender without genital surgery, Right to sustain former heterosexual marriage(Right to change legal gender without divorce). Right to change legal gender of who have children and etc. --Sharouser (talk) 04:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  The table currently in the article doesn't provide useful information — it provides a good/bad distinction, whereas there are many different aspects to consider. I'd definitely support any improvement to the table. It would be useful also to consider that some of these rights in some jurisdictions are subject to medical approval, to providing evidence of having lived as the person's preferred gender identity for an amount of time, to have had surgery, or to be sterilised. While the table you're proposing,  would definitely be an improvement, can you also please ensure you don't simplify countries down to a simple yes/no? Thanks! — OwenBlacker (talk; please  me in replies) 20:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed uniform table of rights  

message: The claim "As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand." which is based on several inaccurate and spin-doctored articles published by The Guardian. Even Maryam Khatoon Molkara had to go outside of Iran for her vaginoplasty. Surgeons in Iran don't have the requisite urological training. As of 2018, one directory of surgeons has no surgeon in Iran who performs male-to-female SRS. On the other hands, you'll find the names of more than 30 surgeons in Thailand easily. 
Additionally, in Iran, trans people only have a right to exist--nothing else. No right to serve as military officers or serve in any government positions. No government protections either.--58.142.9.141 (talk) 17:50, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't want to contribute to an edit war on this page, but I did a search and found a more recent news story in a reliable source (AP) that you might add for additional perspective on current attitudes toward trans people in Iran. Funcrunch (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks very useful, if no one else adds, I will read again and maybe try to add when I am awake. The very concerning forced gender reassignment of LGB people also deserves a mention (though maybe slightly off topic)  ~ BOD ~ TALK 23:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

text: Transgenders people are "officially recognized" means they can exist. That's all. What about getting a job? "When you apply for a job in Iran, you have to prove that you completed your mandatory military service or provide official documents showing that you were exempted. Transgender people are exempted from military service but, often, the army doesn’t know what to write on the forms. So some transgender people end up with things like “mental health issues” or “hormone imbalance” written on their files, which can cause them problems when they are seeking employment."  --58.142.9.141 (talk) 01:03, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

text: What about protection against police harassment of trans people? "Hasti, a 30-year-old trans woman was detained and harassed by the Iranian police for wearing makeup and presenting as a woman at a private function."  In fact, police harassment is much worse than 99% of other countries because Iran has a Patrol for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice (Iran) https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-transgender/28931543.html--58.142.9.141 (talk) 01:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The "forced gender reassignment" claims are fictitious. "Iran grants transgender people loans worth nearly $1,200, though that’s still well below the $7,000-$12,000 cost of the surgery." according to an article published in 2018.--58.142.9.141 (talk) 01:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iran is terrible on trans rights 

message: Please provide the website in English or Farsi of one (1) SRS surgeon in Iran who performs vaginoplasty before inserting false claims of 1000's of vaginoplasty being performed in Iran annually!??!--58.142.9.141 (talk) 20:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I respectfully ask ~ please do not direct insulting language at other editors in your edits or edit summaries. Just because surgeons are not listed at transheathcare, is not necessary proof that the surgeries have not taken place. As someone deeply concerned about trans rights I would welcome and accept being corrected. ~ BOD ~ TALK 23:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. I got emotional.--58.142.9.141 (talk) 01:45, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Peace and I fully understand, because human rights are very important. Also I am not actually against your argument regards the injustice of trans people in Iran.  ~ BOD ~ TALK 01:56, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Iran claims 

message: The article lead doesn't explain what transgender rights are, it only lists legal issues relating to transgender people. It doesn't even mention the word "right/s". Perhaps the title should be changed to "Transgender people and the law" or "Legal status of transgender people", as that appears to be the current article scope. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 08:36, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article lead 

message: The article's WP:LEAD never directly says what transgender rights are. It vaguely refers to a few, but omits many others, like self-identification of gender and access to single-sex/gender spaces. Crossroads -talk- 03:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible lead 

message: My edit was recently reverted on the grounds of “no deadnaming.” However, in the context on grammar, I believe my edit would be correct. When referring to a person having a sex reassignment surgery and changing their name, the male Jeff did not exist before the female Jennifer had the surgery. If Jeff the male was already a male, why would he become a male through sex reassignment surgery? It is a grammatically paradox. DukeOfGrammar (talk) 22:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: MOS:GENDERID should help you understand why your edit was reverted. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 06:37, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical Error 

message: In line with my previous comments above, I've been WP:BOLD and moved the article to a title that more accurately reflects the current scope of the article. Currently the article does not address or even define 'transgender rights' as a topic, it is merely a list of legal protections by country. The new title is in line with a naming convention used on a number of other articles. I would note that the article was originally titled "Legal aspects of transsexualism", which was changed to "Legal aspects of transgenderism" in August 2015, which was changed to "Transgender rights" in March 2017. The previous changes had limited discussion so I don't believe I am going against a strong consensus otherwise in moving the article, however I am happy to be reverted. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 13:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a reasonable move, especially given the lack of definition of transgender rights. One thing to keep in mind is that some articles use the phrase "transgender rights" without explanation and link here. Those should probably be written more clearly, since many people are not clear on what those rights are and this article doesn't explain it. Crossroads -talk- 22:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The same arguments would apply to LGBT rights articles which have not been moved. Personally, I believe that both sets of articles (i.e. "LGBT rights..." and "transgender rights..." or whatever alternative titles should be devised) should be consistent with each other although there are arguments to be made both for and against the "rights" titles. (t · c) buidhe 22:34, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  August 2021 move 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Trans rights and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 13#Trans rights until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  feminist (talk) 04:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Trans rights" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: The title should be "Legal rights of trans people," not status as if people are talking about cocaine as opposed to civil rights.--14Jenna7Caesura (talk) 01:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a perfectly normal phrase used in all sorts of contexts; e.g. Legal status of Germany. Crossroads -talk- 04:02, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Germany is not a human with civil rights.--14Jenna7Caesura (talk) 05:18, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Like the category of transgender people, Germany is in fact made up of humans with civil rights. Crossroads -talk- 05:27, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "Status" has a connection with "something" as opposed to "someone." Germany itself is a country and not a sentient breathing person.--14Jenna7Caesura (talk) 05:33, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Like the legal status of cocaine 

message: I find the first table about Legislative efforts to recognise gender identity very confusing. If it is about when a certain country got a gender identity law and accepted that trans people changed their legal sex, the years are completely wrong.
The year number seems to be more in line with when some countries got self-identification as a requirement for changing legal gender. But that is not what the table indicates it is about. I'm not sure the years are completely correct then either. Godfellow (talk) 07:01, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the table about?