Talk:Jupiter Ace

message: I think there are a few problems with this article as it now stands:
*I don't think the all-caps "ACE" in the article name is sensible. I have two magazine adverts in front of me, and in both cases the form used by Jupiter Cantab in the body of the text is simply "Jupiter Ace". The "ACE" version is used only for the "big splash text". Also, I have a Jupiter Ace manual, and once again the spelling used everywhere except the front cover is "Ace". Therefore, I suggest this article be moved to Jupiter Ace.
:: Please do so. That is not an important subject, but consistency is.
*The text doesn't read much like an encyclopedia article; it looks more like a fan page. I'm a fan of the Ace myself (I used to have two!) but I don't think the tone is appropriate for Wikipedia. Certainly, we need to be more careful about WP:NPOV and avoid expressing opinions about how good it was unless we have third-party citations.
:: Guilty! Please advise, pointing the sentences would help to find references. Tried to be impartial. Everything can be referenced. My references to the simplicity of the hardware, for example are based in my study of it while studying others, that you won find anywhere until I write it down in a book to be published. Until then, there are few people that may give it's testimony.
:: However I was criticized for the opposite. Apparent fan comparisons may be actually known comparisons from BASIC and Forth. And the comparisons of hardware are correction to previous comparisons with Sinclair computers already there, Personally I don't think that should be done, but is seems people are always making those, so I tried to give them a correct perspective. There's no similarity whatsoever, but mistakes should be eliminated. There are a lot of nuisances in the ACE, only it was hard to elaborate without destroying the whole page readability and small size. Would like to discuss that when you find convenient. This was my first experience at the wikipedia and it was hard work, but certainly there's room for improvement.
*The English could do with tidying up: it reads as though some parts have been written by someone who is not a native English speaker. This is a minor problem, and I'll try to do some copyediting when I have time.
:: Thank you. I try to get feedback from users in the ACE forum but the comments were to the data and form, not the grammar. So I wouldn't know.
:: Many adaptations have been done, trying to retain the original, until I found that the original text was borrowed from the ACE Resource Intro.
:: I'm not English born, as you noticed; the Page is complete; I've done my best; Now It's up to you. Please feel free to correct it, whenever you find convenient.
:: .
:: A needed feedback: I got a notice about the so called Portuguese page (my native language) which I've checked:
:::Someone made corrections to it, and some were removed, because they were not Brazilian language, claimed to be the accepted language,,, 
:::By Brazilian is meant some Spanish terms introduced by magazines. 
:::Other modifications have been against correct data. It is now assumed that the ACE has no sound(!) because the reference to sound was not referenced and the controller didn't knew the ACE, but still he believed he could make changes without verifications. I do not know if that is standard procedure but it was most disruptive to the needed rigor. Editing by someone with no knowledge of a theme, I mean. 
::So I'll not do the natural thing: I will not translate this Page to Portuguese, as Portuguese speaking are not allowed in Portuguese Pages for not speaking Brazilian, stated as the rule and meaning a lot of Spanish words and Spanish grammar, Don't ask me, it's there! And it's nuts! Not a nice place to do any contribution so I will not even try. Personally I do not believe anyone will be able to correct that situation. I just left a note, pointing the situation created, as you have done with me, Only in a much serious matter. I don't think I'll ever participate in a wikipedia page again, and I know of some needing corrections, the TEA cipher for example.
However, most of all:
*We have some serious problems with the copyright status of images, to the extent that I am removing some immediately. The most obvious example is :Image:Jupiter ACE Full(advertise).jpg, the image used in the infobox up until now, which has at least three problems with it. Firstly, the anti-US ranting in the "Description" field is totally inappropriate; secondly, the idea that "Historical, public, available" makes an image free for our purposes; and thirdly, the incorrect use of a copyright tag intended for things like photographs of paintings.
:: There you got me wrong. Got me wrong maybe because the USA powers make it the most (you-know-what) country in the world and you may be sensitive to that, which is absolutely natural. However...
:: What you got was someone pissed-off (if I may use the term) with all the US legal mombo-jombo imposed to the rest of the world. Imagine a reverse situation,,. didn't it lead to the tea revolt that was the beginning of independence? 
:: Why not use the UK law if the ACE is from UK?... Or Australian law if a product is from Australia? As is, it may sound very imperial to most people.
:: I could continue but I think you got the point... The USA law is not valid in the UK... Doesn't make sense when used to ACE related pictures, and a lot of other subjects... Is the USA going to invade the UK? Just joking... in accordance with the "are you, outside the USA, in accordance with USA law ?" message sent. Is it for cowboy culture, or is it because of the huge amount of lawyers in that country? Forgive me if it sounds rude, but that is what gets out so I had to pose the question. It is not for answering, it is just for reflection.
:::* The ANTI stuff you pointed reminded me one past experience I would like to share: I had worked with IBM products... And had a problem with some services and a sales-person (as you all them now). Actually it was a woman, which makes no difference here, just recalling. She had goals to achieve and my company wasn't interested... As I recall her the previous problems created by the local IBM... Well: I got to know latter by an insider that there was a file on me without my knowledge (something illegal here, very illegal) introduced in the local IBM (probably stored elsewhere) where I was stated as anti-IBM. I was further informed that I would never got a job again anywhere IBM computers were used. What chocked me the most, besides the non-sense of the accusation (to cover the seller's failure) was the term Anti-IBM. It was like IBM was an Ideal, a flag, a religion. I know they own part of Amazonia... paid just like Alaska was... but even so...
:::* Something you must know, because you seem to be from USA, and flooded with propaganda you do not notice: What most of the world feels about the USA (to some more informed it also includes the UK) is not about the USA at all... it is about the NAZI-like behavior of some powers inside USA when acting outside it's borders. This is specially true now the USSR is gone - There's no more need to show moral superiority, anything can go! But I will rephrase: It is NOT about the USA as country, but what SOME powers do in the name of the USA. This in disregard of it's constitution (being killed), it's spirit, and everything you have learned to love. - Only many people doesn't notice the difference, specially in the USA. It's convenient!
:::* Personally I have permanent donations given to USA institutions that are tax deductible... in the USA... Not here! That should say more than "I friends in the USA", Actually I do have American friends: from Argentina to Canada, (and by strange coincidence this includes the USA <G>). People love and suffer the same way everywhere. So it's not those 5% people the other 95% regret. (Be aware of the inside propaganda).
::* But I do have the right to feel ANTI-Something! I've just not decided yet! It's a question of feelings, not actions. And you should respect that! I would. Actions is a complete different matter. They should not be confused: persecutions always start with that confusion.
:: Please remove this after reading... It's not the proper place after it's purpose being achieved.
:: Further contacts should be more practical now some things have been clarified.
:: Thanks for your kindness. I suppose I'll never know if it is natural, but I felt it that way.
:: Factor-h (talk) 13:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with this article - image copyright especially 

message: I removed this paragraph again:
It must be understood that with ACE's Forth, 1 KB was equivalent to 2 KB (on average) in Sinclair computers, used here as reference. 
	 
It was a real limit nonetheless. Notice that an initial 4 KB (in design) would be the equivalent of about 8 KB in Sinclair BASIC. With the designed 4 KB, though the final price would be slightly more expensive, the ACE would have been much more useful and attractive starting right from the base model.''
As basically personal opinion/original research, not to mention some minor issues with tone.
# Why must it be understood?
# Where is the on average come from (i.e. which source did such a comparison and came up with this average?). A little context is also missing comparing 1k with 1k of Z80 machine code would likely be the same on both.
# What is "slightly more expensive"? As a relative cost and without knowing the market factors at the time this again seems to just be a personal opinion. Where is the contemporary documentation indicating this? 
# Who says it would have been more attractive? This seems purely the opinion of whoever added it. I certainly remember the ACE on release and it certainly wouldn't have changed it's attractiveness to me in any way shape or form. Of course that is personal opinion so also couldn't be added. 
--82.7.40.7 (talk) 21:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed paragraph 

message: I found the photograph of the screen barely legible, so I created the same screen image from an emulator and placed it here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jupiter_Ace_vlist_png.png
I would have changed it myself but I don't yet know how to change images in Wikipedia. If some one here thinks the emulator screenshot would be an improvement, feel free to change it. SpareHeadOne 22:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New image for vlist? 

message: I'm one of the few who do not need wikipedia.
This page being under attack, again. 
Wikipedia never did found a way to distinguish contributers only taking face value of wannabees and pretentious claims or 'eared' and 'published' opinions and fashions.
- Many (some say most) pages are views imposed in exchange of a profit. (ex: Big Pharma related)
- Many other pages are just dogmatic vies with no relation with reality. (ex: rant to "Loyd Pye")
- Many other pages have absolutely incorrect data. (ex: "Tape drives", presenting completely erroneous simplistic views and refusing to correct its information)
As stated, I do not 'need' WP as many 'editors' do... Its fair to say WP needed me to 90% to the presentation of its content, so the reverse should be true. There's life outside WP, and it's to fear who its on all too much time. 
Sometimes I was even 'forced' to a compromise, as with erroneous benchmark values, not to disturb beliefs (consensus was needed, not facts) of another machine fans. Even some data placed here, by this contributer turned maintainer, was disturbing to fans of the item here documented. 
After those and other undue situations, I've abandoned contributing for 10 years. Returned a few years ago. Only contributing to this page making it one of the exceptions. 
Today, WP favors active editors, not correct ones. It runs for size, not correctness. Thus...
A big goodbye to all that contributed with good data I would not place here, and to all who supported its build to what it become until a few hours ago. No one needs WP: The world needs correctness and good will, specially in a world of tricks and stratagems. I won't even place a charge as was done to me (I warned I would). That would not solve the main problem WP and the world has: How to distinguish. 
Factor-h, aka DuLac (on a foreign computer and without patience to play games) 79.168.135.176 (talk) 23:25, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been there. I'm very sorry and hope you reconsidered. I did, but fully understand why you might notCuvtixo (talk) 08:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair well 

message: I've done a pretty extensive "trim and tidy" over the last couple of days, but I'm no expert of the Jupiter Ace and it's possible that while I've probably improved the English, I may have mangled some of the facts. Please check, and fix as required! - (If you can understand the "ACE's Forth" section then please have a go at tidying up the writing there too).Snori (talk) 21:13, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Trim and tidy

message: This entire article was using "kB" to indicate memory sizes, which is factually wrong, since kB is defined as 1000 bytes. Computers of this era used 1024-byte kilobytes, so all storage references have been corrected to "KB".Sirfurboy (talk) 10:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  kB/KB 

message: I have to think the template of "original research" is more vandalism by the people citations, of which the latest is 2016, literally over 6 years ago. Original research is appropriate for sections with NO citations!
 "What is an Ace". Archived from the original on 2012-06-17. Retrieved 2008-09-24.
 "Jupiter Ace Resource Site - Your Computer Review, November 1982". Retrieved 2013-04-27.
 "Jupiter Ace Software Index". Archived from the original on 2007-05-23. Retrieved 2014-10-05.
 "Jupiter Ace Resource Site - Letter - Ace Goes Back To School in Popular Computing Weekly 11 November 1982". Retrieved 2013-04-27.
 "The Jupiter Ace is 30 - Page 5 • The Register". Retrieved 2013-04-27.
Cuvtixo (talk) 08:55, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales