Talk:List of The Order of the Stick characters

message: Does Haley's speech use the same letter substitution scheme throughout the whole ordeal?  If so, what exactly is it, and maybe that should be included in the article?  --Cyde↔Weys 16:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Afraid not, no. Every comic has a different key for the cryptogram. See the OoTS forums for an EXTENSIVE thread of 'What Haley says' which includes all the keys for the code. --Tim (talk), (contribs) 20:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haley's cryptogram? 

message: misdirected page
eh, theres also a helay on Lewis Zimmerman that is unrelated—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.20.122 (talk • contribs) 
:Problem solved, and then some.  Check out the Haley page in all its glory. –Gunslinger47 06:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Haley (disambiguation)

message: 1.  As discussed extensively on the OotS' boards, Belkar's Wisdom must be 10, not 7-10.  (If it was 7-9, even the Owl's Wisdom would not allow him to have the ability score necessary to cast CSW.)
2.  Also as discussed on the OotS' boards, V's ability to scribe a 7th-level spell does not necessarily mean V is 13th-level.  (There are no level requirements for scribing.)
: In any event, all of this fails WP:OR and the boards do not constitute reliable sources. JoshuaZ 20:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nits 

message: Are they really necessary? It's not like character personalities can be summed up in any single quote... --Pentasyllabic 23:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to agree with you; they're not really necessary.   They don't provide any accurate summation of the character, particularly as, as single quotes, they have to be taken out of context.  --Tailkinker 06:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  character quotes 

message: I'm thinking that this article's getting pretty long these days, inevitable given the number of characters that have now appeared.   I'm thinking that we should split off certain characters onto their own individual pages, namely a seperate page for each member of the Order, and a page for the Linear Guild, which is quite a sizable section.   Unless anyone expresses any counter-opinion in the next day or so, I shall do this.   --Tailkinker 09:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Length 

message: How could this article be missing Samantha's bandit clan? That plotline was 20-some-odd comics long and one of my favorites! Regardless, I've added the clan information under Minor Characters. If you think it needs any improvement, discuss. --Smoke Rulz 22:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bandit Clan added 

message: Miko is many things, but not exactly stereotypical.  Paladins are stereotypically often pleasant and urbane.
Miko very probably has a charisma score of at least 16 based on combat analysis in Rich's fight descriptions and the strips, based on use of Lay on hands, Smite Evil, and Divine Grace.
She does not regard the OotS as her 'party.'
The party never states that all paladins have a stick up their ass.
Declaring Miko has an entire tree up her rectum HAS to violate NPOV guidelines.
Haley is not, in fact, decisively greedy, if reports of her father's imprisonment are to be believed.
There is no evidence Miko considers Durkon an enemy prior to her encounter with Xykon.
Of COURSE Windstriker remains loyal and aids her in combat.  He's a *class feature.*  All paladins mounts also have unusual intelligence and are capable of understanding speech.
There is no evidence that all non_Belkar OotS party members are Good.
Added a minor section on Xykon's motives in permitting Miko's escape.
82.141.243.217 16:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to Miko Bio. 

message: Noticed a bit of to-ing and fro-ing on the title for our friend under the Hello Goblin umbrella, regarding whether he should be referred as "The Monster in the Darkness" or "The Creature in the Darkness".   Seems to me that we should try to come to some sort of consensus on this, simply because the character's linked to from a couple of other articles, and if the title keeps getting changed, it's going to foul up those links.
Personally, I'm not terribly bothered which one we pick; my choice would probably be to call him "The Creature in the Darkness" on the grounds that that's the name that he's listed under on the "Cast of Characters" page in the No Cure for the Paladin Blues collected edition - that's presumably Burlew's name for the character, so it would seem sensible to use it.    On the other hand, "The Monster in the Darkness" is still a perfectly accurate description, and it's also what the current links point to, so it would be somewhat easier to keep it that way (not that changing the links would be hard, however).
Any views?   --Tailkinker 20:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can see, if you look very closely, you can see a white goblin face with fangs protruding from its smile. 87.192.28.39 11:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I'm looking at the printed book (No Cure for the Paladin Blues), and it's not goblin fangs. It's three small lines on either side of a nose, like whiskers. The art on the website is 72 dpi, while the printed book is at least 300, and it's a much, much crisper image. If the only basis for the term "Hello Goblin" is an interpretation of the online art that is refuted by the printed book, then I'm editing it out. If someone who is looking at the printed book wants to dispute it, fine, but judging from a low-res image when a high-res image is easily available is ridiculous. BadIdea 20:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went back and checked very closely, and I can see that you are, in fact, correct. Ergo, the "Hello Goblin" should be removed, or at least replaced with "Hello Kitty". Groove Guy 17:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, somebody already reverted it, probably without reading this discussion. I feel like it's been in the article so long that it's just taken as fact. Anyway, I changed it to "pink umbrella" since that is without a doubt true. BadIdea 01:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Monster or Creature?

message: I feel at this point, Hinjo is no longer a minor character, but rather significant enough to be moved up to recurring character.  Thusly, I have done so.  And that's that then.  ShadowHare 05:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hinjo's Promotion to Recurring Character

message: I believe that, as with Hinjo, Redloack should have his own page. He seems to be a very important character, even moreso than Hinjo. Any comments/suggestions? Groove Guy 11:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. His section here is getting long enough to be a whole page anyway.172.200.23.57 19:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. Especially since we know that the upcoming "Start of Darkness" will further detail his history, which will result in a ton more information on the character. It seems prudent split him off now. BadIdea 20:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done.  --Tailkinker 17:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redcloak - important? 

message: I deleted the line about Julia first being seen in flashback as a toddler (strip 113). Yes, we all assumed it was her for ages, but Start of Darkness destroys this theory. One, Roy and Julia are 12 years apart, and Roy is not 12 in that panel. Two, the Greenhilts' mother was pregnant in a "21 years ago" section, so there was a third sibling in between Roy and Julia's ages. This sibling has not yet appeared again, so there's no point in creating a separate section for him/her. 91.105.45.100 12:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Julia Greenhilt and the missing sibling 

message: Wikipedia standard is to use references, not inline links to the comic pages.  I've converted a good lot, but this is a long page and I could use some help.  Timmccloud 02:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inline HTML links 

message: Should there be a section for the characters that appeared in Start of Darkness (particularly Right-Eye and The Dark One) within the list under the Minor Characters list?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanzo66 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably. Though I think given the still-relatively-recent release of the book and the somewhat surprising fate of some of those characters, any such section should probably get a spoiler warning.Ig8887 (talk) 18:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Still, should The Dark One be placed under the category for Gods now?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanzo66 (talk • contribs) 11:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Start of Darkness Characters... 

message: Would anyone object to taking this list and regrouping it by team allegiance? As in, put all the Sapphire Guard in one subheading, all of House Kubota in another, all of the Greenhilt family in a third, etc? Right now its just a long undifferentiated list, and this would also allow us to discuss each group as a whole. Ig8887 (talk) 22:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that no one objected, I went ahead and did it. It will need some clean-up. Also, I am attempting to add each character's first appearance, as part of an effort to add more out-of-universe information to the article, to prevent it from being deleted like the Locations list. Ig8887 (talk) 14:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Grouping

message: Someone edited in that the spell Xykon trapped Eugene in during Start of Darkness was Otiluke's Resilent Sphere. While it does seem similar, the spell is unnamed when Xykon casts it, so calling it that is Original Research. It could have been a custom spell or something else. Burlew usually avoids using the proper noun names like "Otiluke" when people cast spells anyway, so even if it were the same spell, it would be simply resilient sphere, per the SRD. I edited it out to read simply, "unspecified magic bubble". --Ig8887 (talk) 09:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eugene and Otiluke's Resilient Sphere

message: This is a list of characters in the comic, so should the article be moved to List of Characters in the Order of the Stick? Epass (talk) 19:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not really. An article with some list-like qualities does not need to have the word "list" in the title, especially since it is not a list in any particular order (most lists are alphabetized, while this is sorted by allegiance). See Minor characters of Megatokyo, Characters of Sluggy Freelance, Characters of 8-Bit Theater, or Minor characters from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. --Ig8887 (talk) 05:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: On both "The Order of the Stick"'s main page and here their descriptions are a lot less details than that of the supporting characters, that doesn't make any sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feyre (talk • contribs) 18:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They used to have a page each until the merge and delete. Katana Geldar 01:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree, we need to either move back to the model of each main character having their own page, or at the very least expanding what is currently present. It does not make sense to have more description for characters like Xykon, Miko, etc... --BobTheMad--Beware of Gods who do not laugh (talk) 08:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The main characters

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characters_of_the_Order_of_the_Stick&action=historysubmit&diff=304390609&oldid=304381017 - editing his level is reverted, because it is the 'original research or speculation'. Yet, Redcloak section can be judged as speculation and is still allowed.
I'd suggest to either remove speculations about Redcloak's level or correcting Xyxons section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.243.72.224 (talk) 21:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SOFIXIT: if Redcloak's section violates policy, anyone can clean it up. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with removing any and all speculations about the characters' levels. 24.148.0.83 (talk) 23:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right. Including speculation is a clear violation of Wikipedia's no original research policy. The last few edits I have made have consisted of removing unsourced speculation with predjudice. ~Amatulić (talk) 04:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xyxon's level and Redcloak's level  

message: Would anyone mind if I turned all verbs to the past tense (apart from future events)? Harry Blue5 (talk) 21:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that would be appropriate; since these characters don't exist in the real world, plot summary should be in present tense. The real work that needs to be done is trimming down all the unnecessarily detailed plot summary and trivia. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past tense 

message: I removed the Order of the Scribble as I found them incredibly minor characters. I mean, seriously, this article is incredibly huge, and I thought they were just more trivia that is indulged in this article. I believe that the Order of the Scribble can just be covered in one paragraph. Going into detail to describe each member, and mostly just to say what their D&D class is, I felt was trivia, though I can understand why my edit was reverted. I have removed their first appearances, though. Still totally unnecessary imo. What does everyone else feel? Harry Blue5 (talk) 15:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your removal of that content — however, you need to use the edit summary to explain your edits, as unexplained changes often get reverted. I have lost count of the number of times I have deleted trivia, speculation, and fancruft from this article. A single short paragraph is all that is needed. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:35, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Order of the Scribble 

message: http://non-productive.com/villains-month-xykon/
http://non-productive.com/genre-love-stories-nale-and-sabine/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diego Moya (talk • contribs) 
:Looks like a blog to me. Not really citable. ~Amatulić (talk) 00:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:NEWSBLOG; there's nothing wrong with blogs as a layout style per se. Non-productive is a commercial entertainment producer with a regular staff. Diego (talk) 06:13, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Those don't look like a reliable sources to me. It used to have an unsourced article which describes it as a college radio show. Is it commercial? I'm not sure if it is, or if that matters, but I don't see any signs of a positive reputation, editorial oversight, or other indicators of RS. This is only slightly better than a self-published blog or anonymous forum post. Maybe WP:RSN would disagree. Grayfell (talk) 06:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: How exactly do you measure the reliability of opinions? The notability of artistic works is determined by the gaze of WP: PROFESSIONAL writers, who notice the topic and write enough independent content to write a neutral article. There's no way to say that one opinion is more reliable than another, as all are subjective. What makes a professional media like this one different from a fan blog is that they want to attract and retain readers, so they publish content with an established level of quality and consistency. Diego (talk) 20:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell, reliable sources are not discussing this site, so it doesn't have the positive reputation required by RS. I don't see any source of revenue, so I don't know for sure that this is professional, but as I said, I don't think that matters very much. I think blogs (fan or otherwise) often do want to attract and retain readers, but so do trashy tabloids and many other unreliable sources, so that's not a good threshold.  It's very easy to find professionally written opinions which are, in fact, thinly veiled PR, so I don't think that being professional is meaningful if the source isn't also reliable. I'm trying to find info about the site and its author, Jesse Baruffi, and I don't see it working as a source. He wrote for the site for a couple of years, and his first post sure reads like a standard blog, and says that the it was created as a place for stuff that didn't make it onto the... podcast? college radio show? The site doesn't clearly explain what it is. Several years later, he wrote a novel which was published by "Curiosity Quills Press" which appears to be a legitimate press, so he arguably has some expertise. None of that happened until later, though. It also looks like after he left the group, he kept blogging under the "Geekademia" name at a Blogspot site, which is weird. I'm not sure about that or the details, but the NonProductive site just looks like a blog and podcast with multiple contributors. Even if it is reliable, this is only one source, since both articles are by the same writer on the same site. The WP:SNOWFLAKE essay you link to suggests several reliable sources are needed, and also advises boiling them down to the bare essentials. I agree with that, but that hasn't happened yet, and may not be possible based from what I've seen. Grayfell (talk) 22:17, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found references 

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