Talk:Punch-Out!! (NES)

message: Anyone have the figures?
:Have you tried the Internet? 108.30.146.161 (talk) 23:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: How many units did this sell?

message: Can anyone verify that Soda Popinski was known as Vodka Drunkinski in the Japanese release?  He was called that in the Arcade version, but I'm not sure about the Japanese version.--Dwedit 04:13, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked the Japanese version. He's Soda Popinski. --Menopause 14:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Soda Popinkski

message: Can we verify that Mike Tyson was replaced by "Mr Dream" merely because the license expired? I always heard he was immediately pulled from the game following his rape trial. -- Feb 10, 2006
:Hey there -- I had heard the same same, that it was due to Tyson's public image that the game was changed.  Perhaps Nintendo's official word was that it was due to licensing, which was a nice way to avoid coming out and saying they have a video game named after an accused rapist.  Either way, I'm eliminating the licensing reference from the article and currently just saying that the game was changed.  It'd be great if someone could find a reference, one way or the other. --Ataricodfish 18:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read "The Ultimate History of Video Games", it confirms that Tyson was removed because the contract he signed with Nintendo had expired. TJ Spyke 04:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, IIRC this decision was made before the rape accusations. --PSzalapski 22:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyson Replacement 

message: I removed the paragraph about Street Fighter being vaguely connected to Punch-Out. As Honda is a very common Japanese family name and M. Bison (Balrog in the U.S.) IS based on Mike Tyson but in no way that is connected to Punch-Out!!, I see no reason for that section to even exist. Jacquismo 00:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed "Other Appearances"

message: Will Nintendo choose the Mr. Dream version, because the Mike Tyson license was expired; will they choose the Mike Tyson version, because the Mr. Dream version was a clone of one of the greatest video game titles in existance; or will both titles be added to the Wii's Virtual Console? Parrothead1983 21:56, 05 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Which version for the Wii Virtual Console?

message: What is this access code that appears after ceratain paragraphs? --sin-man 11:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Code

message: I replaced the screenshot used in the article with one I captured myself.  I believe it represents the subject material more accurately with a comparable resolution and smaller file size.  If this causes any problems please let me know.  Rg998 04:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Screenshot

message: I'm running this game via the Virtual Console on my HDTV and it works just fine. There isn't any lag with any Virtual Console games.
:Here here! I've been playing this on VC for quite a few years now, and there isn't any lag. Maybe somebody had a soap-opera effect TV or something. 68.96.214.115 (talk) 13:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  HDTV lag rumor 

message: Do you think that this video game version of Punch-Out!! is more relevant than the arcade Punch-Out!! in which typing in the word 'Punch-Out!! currently directs to? pretzolio (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course. But I think the main article 'Punch-Out!!' should not redirect to any particular game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.81.218.250 (talk) 08:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What should 'Punch-Out!!' link to? 

message: Little Mac was recently confirmed as a useable item in Brawl.
As im not so good with the wiki stuff, i think this needs to get added  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.231.203 (talk) 15:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Smash Brothers Brawl  

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Punch Out (NES).png

message: Not too good with wikis, but it currently reads: "Former Major Circuit champion, sporting a significantly improved constitution as he requires a star to be knocked down."
I know it's not a walkthrough, but obviously this is a bit misleading and might should be reworded:
"Former Major Circuit champion, sporting a significantly improved constitution as he requires a star to be knocked down when not countering his special attack, the Bull Charge."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.144.90.69 (talk) 23:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole section was fairly inappropriate. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bald Bull - The second encounter description 

message: The "Gold Version" is mentioned as being released before Nintendo got the idea to put Tyson in the game, yet the ROM for the gold version has Mike Tyson sprites and other paraphernalia strewn throughout the character ROM.
This would mean that either the ROM dump for the game has fabricated CHR data, or the claim in the article is incorrect.--Dwedit (talk) 04:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gold Version has mike tyson graphics in it 

message: *Propose merger of Punch-Out!! (arcade game), Punch-Out!! (NES) and Punch-Out!! (Wii), into Punch-Out!! (video game) (over redirect) Punch-Out!!. These are are all versions of the same game produced by Nintendo (yes, even the arcade game) and they fail the Pokemon Test. The Punch-Out!! game itself is far more notable than any one of its versions, and these many short articles would better serve the reader as one article that discusses all these versions. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 11:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it's not 'hard evidence', but FYI the version that gets the most Google hits by far is "Punch-Out!! +Wii -NES -arcade -wikipedia", at just over 1 million hits, but searching for "Punch-Out!! -wikipedia" gets over 11 million hits. This is a general indication that the game itself is significantly more notable than any one version. By the way, "Punch-Out!! +Wii +NES +arcade -wikipedia" gets about as many hits as the NES version. But don't take my word for it, check for yourselves and discuss. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 11:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Support: It seems a little ridiculous to have such undeveloped articles separated when they are all so similar. BOVINEBOY2008 15:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Against: They may have the same title, but they're all different video games. I don't see Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit) merging with Sonic the Hedgehog (8-bit) and Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, after all. --Evildevil (talk) 05:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure if they should be merged but the fact that 8 and 16 but Sonic games are not merged is not a very stong argument since it may very well be possible that they should be merged as well. The 2006 Sonic game has an entirely different plot from the original game which is not the case for this game so that article being seperate is irrelevent. --70.24.177.86 (talk) 22:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Just because articles X and Y haven't been merged yet is no argument that articles A and B shouldn't be merged.  For that matter, just because articles X and Y haven't been merged does not even suggest that they (X and Y) shouldn't be merged.  Different versions of the same game are not separately notable, and this likely applies to Sonic the Hedgehog too.  These Puch-Out!! games do not just have the same title, they are versions of the same game, all produced by Nintendo.  Are the four different versions of the Broken EP by Nine Inch Nails separately notable?  Should that article be split into four articles (1 for the US version without bonus tracks, 2 for the version with "hidden" tracks, 3 for the version with the bonus tracks on a minidisc, 4 for the UK import version)?  Regardless of the fact that the differences between all of these versions can be summed up in a single paragraph, I just don't think different versions of anything are separately notable except in a few cases.  But maybe I'm really missing something here. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 11:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To reiterate one thing the 2006 sonic game is not a new version of the original game but a new game that happens to share the same title with a unrelated plot and muliptle characters that were not in the original game. If anyone does want to merge the 8 and 16 bit games they should leave the 2006 game out since there is little if any chance for a consensus to merge that one. --76.71.211.44 (talk) 19:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Wii game is not a version of the NES game! "Punch Out featuring Mr. Dream" was version of "Mike Tyson's Punch Out", the Wii version is not. There should be a minimum of three articles. The original Punch Out!, Super Punch Out!, and the Wii Punch Out! (I can't comment on the arcades as I'm not familiar with them, but they may just be similar to a console version today and thus can be merged into one of the respective three articles). Additionally, a Punch Out Series article is entirely possible and could even be made if people were so inclined. JUST BECAUSE GAMES HAVE THE SAME NAME DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE RE-RELEASES OR DIFFERENT VERSIONS!!!24.190.34.219 (talk) 20:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Against: The only games in the series that really strike me as being "versions of the same game" are the arcade versions of Punch-Out and Super Punch-Out, as the games' engines are practically identical. At any rate, the NES game is decidedly different from the arcade one, as is the Wii version from the looks of things, so shoving them together seems a bit awkward. (Also, I'd say that the ridiculous multitude of Tetris versions with their own articles would be a far more apt comparison than the Sonic thing....though, of course, those kinds of arguments don't really work anyway.) --JessTehSkox (talk) 09:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Gameplay and characters seems to be pretty much the same between all the versions, the graphical style is the major difference (which could be explained to the major differences between the hardware of the arcade cabinet, NES and Wii). --Mika1h (talk) 18:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Wii version has a similar but NOT identical cast. Secondly, the inclusion of motion controls is a huge factor and completely changes the gameplay of the Wii versions. Finally, different development teams.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 20:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Against: If you're gonna merge these games into one article, then you might as well include the Super Punch-Out!! arcade and SNES games - and there's already an article discussing the Punch-Out!! series in general, making the merger redundant --Richiekim (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I missed that.  That is actually where we should merge to.  Punch-Out!! (video game) also should either point there or be deleted.  Sorry, but I don't see how the existence of an article about the series makes merging the fork articles "redundant".  That is precisely what the product of the merger would be.  The Punch-Out!! article just gives us a good starting place to bring the other articles into.  I had avoided nominating the "Super Punch-Out!!" games because they have a distinct name and users searching for them will search "Super Punch-Out!!".  Wilhelm_meis (talk) 14:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that you didn't include "Super Punch-Out" proposed merger shows your lack of an argument, simply because it had "Super" in the name. Actually, most people know Punch Out (NES) as "Mike Tysons' Punch Out" and many people would search that. In fact, the whole Mike Tyson feature and subsequent re-naming and licensing issue is enough to meet Wiki's notability guidelines for it's own article.24.190.34.219 (talk) 20:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I still disagree with the merger, since the combining of all the articles would make it too big and unwieldy. Look at the Mario Kart series. Like Punch-Out!!, the MK games have consistant gameplay elements, and yet contain noticable differences to justify separate articles for each game.Richiekim (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Then what about this? BOVINEBOY2008 18:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Against First, just because currently the individual articles are under-developed should not be used as a reason for mergal either, as each could be developed in full fledged articles (including such things as reviews, sales data, reception). Secondly, each are individual games not re-releases. There are major differences between the two. For example, "Mike Tyson's Punch Out" and "Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream" are the same game and should be in one article. That's a re-release. An argument could possible be made for merging "Punch Out (Arcade)" and "Punch Out (NES)" (and likewise Super Punch Out arcade with the SNES article) as I'm not entirely familiar with the differences between the arcade and console ports (and we don't make separate articles for all say the PS3 and 360 versions of games), however those two "Punch Out" and "Super Punch Out" should not be merged together. The Wii game has enough significant differences as well as outside references and media coverage to stand alone. Finally, all the games meet Wiki's notability requirements and thus can warrant their own articles. You can even make a "Punch Out! (Series)" article if you are really wanting a merged article, but the individual articles (at least three, Punch Out!, Super Punch Out!, and Punch Out! (Wii)) all should have their own articles. Just because sequels share the same name does not mean they are the same game. Additionally, there's also the matter of non-internal aspects of the game. There's more to a game than how it looks and plays. There's the fact about different teams and developers making the games and individual versions, reception of the individual versions, cultural impact (the original Punch Out!! has had significant impact while the sequels have not), and other factors.24.190.34.219 (talk) 20:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger 

message: Does anyone know what motivated Nintendo to re-release the same game for NES with no upgrades?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why release another version on the same console? 

message: Would anyone have a problem if I added the cover for the Tyson version to go along with the cover for the Mr. Dream version?  And would anyone have a problem with the Mr. Dream version's release dates being added?  Theichibun (talk) 02:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm opposed to second box art, unopposed to second release date. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Question About Having Both Release Dates/Covers 

message: With regard to the following:
"It is a port of both the Punch-Out!! and Super Punch-Out!! arcade games (mostly the latter) with some variations."
That is false. It is more similar to arcade Punch-Out than to arcade Super Punch-Out. With regard to the 11 opponents, 4 of them appeared in arcade Punch-Out, in whole or in part: Glass Joe, Piston Honda (Piston Hurricane), Bald Bull, and Mr. Sandman.
3 of them appeared in arcade Super Punch-Out, in whole or in part: Great Tiger, Soda Popinski (Vodka Drunkenski), and Super Macho Man.
The remaining 4 were new: Von Kaiser, Don Flamenco, King Hippo, and Mike Tyson.
In addition to having more opponents from arcade PO than from arcade SPO, MTPO also lacks the "duck" function of SPO, which is a critical distinction between PO and SPO; even the 1994 SNES SPO had the "duck" function. MTPO also lacks the top 3 fastest KO times record keeping function that arcade PO also lacks, but arcade SPO has. 
If pointing out which arcade game MTPO is "mostly a port of" is important, then it should be changed to "mostly the former". SNES SPO is the home console game that is mostly a port of arcade SPO, because it has the "duck" function and fastest KO times record keeping function. – MaximRecoil (talk) 06:39, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  MTPO is more a port of arcade PO than arcade SPO 

message: I'm surprised and perplexed at the title & choice of box art currently in use, as the norm on Wikipedia is to use the title & box art from either the first edition or the best-known version.  IMHO we can't count the arcade game "Punch-Out!!" as the first edition, as the Famicom/NES title was designed separately to match the console hardware (and is thus clearly a distinct game), rather than as a port.   So it seems to me there are two logical options: either use the name & box art from the original Famicom game "Punch-Out!!" or go with the name & art for the initial North American run & subsequent Famicom title "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!"  It doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to use the title and art from a very-little-known re-release, even if the best-known/first North American version starred a guy whose actions were repugnant. —xyzzy 07:55, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game title & box art norms 

message: Mike Tyson's Punch-Out is the 5th best selling NES page of all time and should have it's own article.
2601:199:4280:22E0:1553:F7C4:CDEC:6873 (talk) 00:20, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed unmerger 

message: An internet article appeared in April 2016 on how to observe the beareded man in the crowd, his movements signaled when to throw a knockout punch.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/9/11397458/mike-tysons-punch-out-bearded-man-easter-egg-bald-bull-piston-honda  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.144.230 (talk) 09:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter Egg ? 

message: I realized that the Virtual Console releases for the Wii, Wii U and Nintendo 3DS are labeled in the infobox, but none of the other retro (and present) video games are not. Why not just add the Virtual Console releases in the infobox like in the past? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 18:42, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something about listing the Virtual Console versions in the infobox. 

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message: I feel that it may be worthwhile to move the article to Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, as it is quite notable under this title and is ubiquitously known as the NES one. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 08:40, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Should this article really the line that Tyson "is noted as one of the hardest bosses in video game history"? without any citations? Because personally, I don't know ANYONE that thinks that. Most people don't even think he is the hardest opponent IN THIS GAME! Once you get past that first 90 seconds of 1 punch knockdown uppercuts, he was easier than Super Macho Man. And he was one of the simplest patterns to memorize.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.29.82 (talk) 22:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation needed? 

message: The "reception" section contains many inconsistencies and at least two clearly false quotes.  Reference 38 (if you check it) clearly refers to "the GREAT arcade boxing game" and calls Punch-Out!! "THE BEST" boxing game for the NES.  It also gave a rating of 94%, not 43% as in the side box.  I went ahead and corrected these.  But the section contains so many inconsistencies that I'm suspicious of all the claims being made.  I don't have access to references 39 or 40, but I would treat any statement based on those with suspicion.  In fact, I think the whole "reception" section needs a rewrite.  Every source I checked reviewed the game positively, and yet the game is the "second worst after Super Mario Bros."???  (I suspect a disruptive editor has been through here but I don't want to cast aspersions).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeirdNAnnoyed (talk • contribs) 18:51, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah that's very weird and annoying, and just vandalism. I reverted it. And it's just Wikipedia's non-notification system that emailed me of your message here but not of those edits. I reported it to WP:AIV and I'll report elsewhere if that doesn't work. Thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 21:04, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. 2604:2D80:6787:C300:1403:849A:4425:6C7E (talk) 03:23, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception section 

message: Before the fight begins with Glass Joe, the game's French boxer, he is introduced to the tune of the French national anthem, La Marseillaise (embedded here). Here's a YouTube video of the Glass Joe fight — the music appears within the first ten seconds of the video. I'd like to edit this article to mention this fact in the Music section, which also mentions other relevant themes the game uses to introduce some of the other fighters (such as The Song of the Volga Boatmen for the Russian boxer Soda Popinski). The problem is, I don't know how to find a source to provide a citation for something like this. Does it need one? If one listens to the game's music and La Marseillaise, it really is clear that it's the same tune. I would like this to have a citation because all the other tunes listed in that section have citations. Can anyone help me with this? Modus Ponens (talk) 18:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I just refreshed my familiarity with the "be bold" policy, so I'm just gonna add it. I welcome any "citation needed" tag that ends up there, though I'm not likely to know where to find a citation. Modus Ponens (talk) 03:25, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think this might be obvious enough to not absolutely require a citation according to WP:BLUESKY. — Smuckola(talk) 05:20, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glass Joe's music is La Marseillaise 

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