Talk:New Atlantis

message: Just removed the following paragraph:
:In Bacon's time, the Age of Exploration by ship was common knowledge. For example, the actors of the time could declaim:
::... There is a tide in the affairs of men Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life Is bound in shallows and in miseries. ...
:*Shakespeare, Julius Caesar (play) IV.iii, (c. 1599), first published 1623.
This paragraph, with its heading, seems to be suggesting that the element of the plot in which the protagonists sail to the new land was included by Bacon to act as a metaphor for scientific discovery and supports this by saying that sailing had been used as a metaphor elsewhere. Given that it is hard to imagine how Bacon could have not included sailing, I'd say this is speculation. If someone can find some scholarly analysis of the work which presents this view, or a quote from Bacon explicitly drawing the comparison then fine, cite it and quote it. Otherwise it's original research. --Spondoolicks 13:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailing, a simile for his time 

message: I believe this article is in need of a complete rewrite. It seems like a work of completely original research. If it isn't, it was not written in such a way as to convey that the various interpretations presented here are not that of the author(s) of this article. I don't think it's really salvageable--it seems like a huge book report. RobertM525 (talk) 03:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than just leaving it be, I've removed the bulk of the unsubstantiated, unencyclopedic content from the article. RobertM525 (talk) 01:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research and a rewrite 

message: According to the edition I read, Bacon died before he finished it. This version was only about eight double-columned pages long, and he died in the same year. Is it true it was unfinished? And if so, we should mention that. In addition, I believe there was a book (God, I'd have to dig up Dictionary of Imaginary Places again) written in 1947 that featured a more in-depth description of Bensalem that we should mention. UPDATE: The book is called An Unknown Land and is by Viscount Samuel. I bought up the last copy and once I am done with it I'll post details on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.229.35 (talk) 00:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfinished? 

message: And ought there not to be mention of/links to the rip off/reworking call it what you will of Bacon's New Atlantis which is ...the TV series LOST !
81.98.107.114 (talk) 19:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost 

message: This article uses two spellings for what is evidently the same thing: "Salomon's House" and "Solomon's House". The original document text says "Salomon's House". But there's a link in the article to another Wikipedia page titled "Solomon's House". Are these errors, or just variant spellings? Seems it needs to be resolved.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.206.180 (talk) 17:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salomon or Solomon?? 

message: I do not understand the need for the change of the article's title to New Atlantis (Francis Bacon novel), when simply New Atlantis was brief and perfectly adequate. The previous set-up of including disambiguation at the top of the New Atlantis was much preferable to the awkwardness of mediating with a whole new and wholly unneeded disambiguation page.
There is only one New Atlantis. The magazine is named after that original. The New Atalantis has nothing to do with it. The separate disambiguation page is completely unnecessary. JKeck (talk) 21:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Shooting at the wrong cove!, I didn't change the article in the way you describe. If you look at the history all I changed was the "very" awkward dab naming that someone else placed there. Must admit reading your objections I would tend to agree with you. Good luck in your research etc. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title change 

message: "Governor" in the text is not capitalized. Joabin is referred to in the text as "the Jew" (a word that is not shameful) and it is clearly the Father of Salomon's House that they meet. On the latter two points, please see for example this paragraph from the text:
Focus on the text. JKeck (talk) 19:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Grammar" changes 

message: I think that this article could benefit from a section on the social rituals that Bacon writes about.Atownnative (talk) 00:09, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Rituals 

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message: The political point of Sir Francis Bacon's book the "New Atlantis" is that there is rule over society by self appointed "experts" who can do anything they like. For example even telling the ordinary people that the Earth goes round the Sun is forbidden. Someone could read this entire article without finding out what the political point of the book the "New Atlantis" was - I have tried to correct that.2A02:C7D:B48D:1200:BC6F:8498:C1A1:69F1 (talk) 12:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The political point of the "New Atlantis" is that it presents unlimited power for the rule of "experts".