Talk:Helen Sobel Smith

message: * The All-Time Bridge Greats (7): Helen Sobel. 18th European Youth Team Championships, Bulletin 8, 15 July 2002, p3.
Regarding the "greatest woman player", it has been said of both Helen and Dorothy Truscott so much as, ahem, that each is/was universally considered the best ever. Judy Kay-Wolff is one example regarding Helen (blog 2010-12-26). In Comment later that day, Kay-Wolff "far from qualified" herself, paraphrased remarks by Bobby Wolff on Edith Kemp, Sabine Auken, and present gals, and remarked herself on Sally Young. (Those 3 of 200 recent new player pages are sure to survive here.)
* "As Female Stars Remarry, Confusion may be a result". Alan Truscott. NYT. April 15, 1985 —
That one is generally valuable and not foremost concerning Helen MWSS. I readily found this seeking an obituary by Truscott, who was the NYTimes bridge columnist from 1964. 
--P64 (talk) 20:57, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: We may be able to improve the use of Edgar Kaplan as a source.
Kaplan and Sobel were both inducted by the ACBL HOF in 1995 when he was alive and reasonably well--still publisher-editor (now co-editor) of The Bridge World as he had been when she died in 1969. Previously we have paraphrased and quoted Kaplan twice without a reference. Her HOF citation now quotes him five times, some apparently in context of some paraphrase, all without a reference.
Last hour I added a formal reference to the HOF citation of Sobel [ref name=ACBLhof] and refashioned our paraphrase and quotation of Kaplan to fit its use of him as a source, using indirect quotation myself [diff]. For the first quotation in particular, my revision places the first nine words "Helen's style was frisky and aggressive – so aggressive that" outside the quotation and eliminates both the ellipsis and the closing exclamation mark, " ... they were the girl!"
: (User:Macdonald-ross added that paragraph nearly 7 years ago [diff], without a reference, when some External links already included some HOF citation. The next use of Kaplan and that of the 1969 Bulletin date from anonymous work September 2010 [diff] and evidently match the online HOF citation.) )
Of course the selection of Sobel was a likely occasion for ACBL to solicit assessment or anecdote from older stars--Kaplan more than most, I suppose, for he was a leading journalist too. So there may be no extant more complete version of what he said. I consider it barely possible that the ACBL Bulletin reported at greater length, presumably during 1995. But it's quite possible that some of the HOF citation's five quotations of Kaplan date from The Bridge World 1969 (her death) or 1990s (run-up to establishment of the HOF or announcement of the first selections). Finally, the HOF citation also calls EK "former editor and publisher of The Bridge World" which shows it to be revised at least slightly after 1995, although the 2011 versions says "* Player biographies are up to date as of the year of induction." So the online citation may in other respects differ from a 1995 original, as by incorporating something Kaplan wrote anew or clarified after the ceremonies.
--P64 (talk) 20:19, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edgar Kaplan as a source 

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