Talk:Capital punishment in the United Kingdom

message: Wasn't it the case that before 1836 and the Prisoners' Counsel Act, felony defendants could not be assisted by an attorney in England? This would be of interest in this article — not only could people be sentenced to death, with some considerable discretion for the judges, but also they did not get fair trials (at least according to minimal standards compared to today's trial rules). David.Monniaux 13:01, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Right to defence pre-1836 ?

message: Is it possible to have a section on death penalty in british colonies before their independence?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leotolstoy (talk • contribs) 
In 1977 the two assassins of the Governor of Bermuda and his Aide De Camp were executed by hanging in England.  Why is this not mentioned anywhere?  Does Britain outsource the Death Penalty so it doesn't count?  Have there been any other executions?Waukegan 10:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a source for this then go ahead and put it in the article. Richard75 17:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death penalty in colonies 

message: Neither are part of the UK but, hey, I learnt something that I would not have otherwise, so I will leave that for some other pedant.
Aatomic1 16:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 1872. Richard75 (talk) 23:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jersey and Isle of Man

message: I came to the article to get an idea of the current level of support in the UK for the restoration of the death penalty, but this is not discussed within the article, there is also no link from the article to this subject. Either I'm not looking in the right place, or there is nothing in Wiki on this issue. WikiReaderer 14:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that you are asking for a restoration of the death penalty?!  This could mean reinforcing revenge and more violence for violence, and I won't allow it. I'm against the death penalty, and I just don't see any sense in killing people to say that killing people is wrong.  Therefore, asking for a restoration of the death penalty in the UK or anywhere else in the world is totally unacceptable. --Angeldeb82 21:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh shut the fuck up. This page is for discussing how to improve the article, not your opinion about the subject of the article. Richard75 23:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't allow it - it's not really up to you as an individual is it. Jooler 01:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's what I was wondering about as well. I don't support the death penalty either, but I was wondering what the current nature of the debate was. Some of the other articles about issues such as this have explanations of the current public debate/party positions and opinion polling. EJB341 (talk) 15:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The death penalty is usually the prime example given of Parliament supposedly not reflecting popular opinion on a subject but rather MPs standing against mass opinion. The media consensus is  that opinion polls show the public are in favour of its restoration but a majority in the Commons are opposed (and this significantly predates the ECHR issue making a restoration impossible). However whilst this may well be regularly polled in general opinion polls about the only time the issue gets much actual media/public discussion or specific opinion polls done is in the aftermath of a particularly nasty crime that tends to distort things (and also reinforces the argument that MPs should make a careful consideration not just look at an opinion poll and vote in line with that week's majority opinion). Timrollpickering (talk) 23:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current support for death penalty 

message: It would be interesting to read a bit more on how the British system influenced the American one in this respect. -- 212.63.43.180 (talk) 14:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence on United States? 

message: Article mentions last woman to be executed in the UK as Ruth Ellis in 1955, but the line preceding that tells us another woman was executed in Wales in 1958. Surely Wales is part of the UK?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.180.192.10 (talk) 14:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In Wales, Vivian is a man's name. Richard75 (talk) 16:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Woman Execution in the UK 

message: The list of notable executions is quite long. Maybe it should be put on a list page and this article could include a link instead? Svenna (talk) 19:41, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Richard75 (talk) 20:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of executions 

message: I've been listening to old time radio shows recently - Black Museum, Secrets of Scotland Yard, etc - that discuss actual murder cases from the UK. In  some of the shows, I've noticed that they describe the convicted man being executed weeks, or just a few months after their conviction in court. Please note that these are cases from the early-mid 20th Century. Reflecting on our contemporary American system, in which convicted murderers sit on Death Row for 15-20 years while their cases are appealed through multiple judicial levels, I was wondering if someone with the relevant knowledge could add something about the appeal process that existed in the UK for capital cases.
MarkinBoston (talk) 06:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time taken between conviction and execution - appeal process 

message: There's currently a debate about whether to restore the death penalty or not. Should this be mentioned? -- 92.4.110.206 (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has added it now. However I think we don't need to go into a lot of detail about it, or else it gives the impression that nobody campaigned for the death penalty to come back until August 2011, when in fact it has been an issue almost constantly since abolition. A more general paragraph would suffice. Richard75 (talk) 18:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Return 

message: Article currently (2 October 2011) lists two different women (on different dates) for whom this claim is made.  Obviously, provided both executions are correctly described, the later date prevails.  Nandt1 (talk) 15:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume one of them is Ruth Ellis but who is the other one? Richard75 (talk) 21:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No,no; a misunderstanding.  I am talking about public executions, i.e., in front of the crowd.  Ellis died behind prison walls.  The candidates here are called Brown and Kidder (see article).  Now that I read the entry more carefully, it seems that the claim for Brown relates to the narrow category of those executed in Dorset, rather than nationally, so I will try to make that point more clearly.  Nandt1 (talk) 21:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Last Woman Publicly Executed?

message: An editor reverted another's dates for abolition, asserting that it must have been either 1998 or 2004 but could not have been both.  Actually, it was both.  In 1998 the death penalty was removed from the last offence but the penalty was not in itself abolished, it was merely that there were now no offences for which it was levied.  In 2004, the death penalty was in itself abolished as a result of adherence to the ECHR, in such a way that restoration could only be done by abrogating that convention.  This is explained in details in the reference cited by the editor who made the original assertion.  Cusop Dingle (talk) 19:12, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  1998 or 2004 

message: This section seems to be more about high-profile crimes post abolition that might, or did, trigger calls for reintroduction.  These are presumably catered for by Major crimes in the United Kingdom.  I propose to edit this down to material about capital punishment, not the crimes.  Cusop Dingle (talk) 21:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public support for reintroduction of capital punishment 

message: When was behaeding last used as a form of capital punishment in the UK?  The article refers to an 1820 behaeding in Scotland - when did the practice die out? And why? 86.134.116.159 (talk) 12:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beheading 

message: The recently added section on "Parliamentary debates on reintroduction" is a whole swathe of material about proposed legilsation which never actually passed. Do we really need as much detail as this about things which never happened? I suggest cutting it right down. Richard75 (talk) 14:39, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parliamentary debates on reintroduction = too long? 

message: There is no mention of "Usurpation of the [Scottish] Royal Arms or Banner", which according to
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"renders the offender liable to the capital penalty". --Redrose64 (talk) 15:02, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a vague recollection of this coming up in a news story a Several of decades ago; a Scottish shopkeeper nabbed for was selling souvenir bedspreads with the Scottish Royal Arms on them without Missis Kwin's permission.  Which, according to the report, meant he could theoretically be executed if found guilty.  Alas I have no idea of the subsequent proceedings, though I imagine we'd have heard about it if The Man had even called for the death penalty. Mr Larrington (talk) 00:32, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's bullshit, don't worry about it. Richard75 (talk) 01:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usurpation of the Scottish Royal Arms 

message: I can't find this law. According to legislation.gov.uk, the following UK General Public Acts were passed in 1832:
*Lord Chancellor’s Pension Act 1832
*Tithe Act 1832
*Ecclesiastical Corporations Act 1832
*Prescription Act 1832
*Game (Scotland) Act 1832
*Allotments Act 1832
*Admiralty Act 1832
*Excise Permit Act 1832
None of these has anything to do with capital punishment, and searching for "death" in laws from 1832 gives no results. Is it not on the UK legislation website? Hairy Dude (talk) 14:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been repealed. That website only lists current legislation. Richard75 (talk) 18:30, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punishment of Death, etc. Act 1832 

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message: Title says "in the United Kingdom" but that didn't exist before 1801. Nor are the Channel Islands part of it today. Grassynoel (talk) 05:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of this article