Talk:Chōonpu

message: Maybe it's just me but I get the distinct feeling that's not a "vertical" dash... 70.22.196.34 02:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not vertical

message: Why is the Chōon not used in Hiragana? --88.77.241.188 13:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that that needs a reference. It seems like bogus to me. Moocowsrule (talk) 22:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not bogus. I can read hiragana, and with the help of a chart I can read katakana, too. The chouonpu is not used in hiragana. You can look at any book on learning to read kana, or take Japanese lessons, to corroborate this. I know this doesn't qualify as a "reference" -- I just wanted to clarify that the statement is true. NoriMori (talk) 02:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We use chōonpu in hiragana. Mostly in onomatopoeia like this and nicknames like まーちゃん or たー坊. As for the article name, I think it should move to Chōonfugō. Because chōonpu has a meaning of longer notes like a quarter note and a whole note in music. Oda Mari (talk) 06:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not in Hiragana? 

message: Chōon literally means "long sound" and it refers to long vowels (chōboin) that are two moras long in Japanese. Chōonpu literally means "long sound symbol," and refers to the "ー" symbol. This article is about the symbol, so it should be renamed as such. —Tokek (talk) 04:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chōon and Chōonpu are different 

message: How does one get a vertical version of a chōonpu? I could not find a UTF code for it, so I assume the font should offer it. But how to access that? I assume that a 90 degrees clockwise rotation is not the way to go. Can someone elaborate on this, please? SvGeloven (talk) 11:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea what word processor you use, but if it's Microsoft Word, click the File tab, click "page setting" and choose "vertical writing", all chōonpu rotate automatically. You can see it by clicking "ViewPage". These pages may help you.  and . Oda Mari (talk) 14:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vertical version 

message: It is true (see recent IP edit) that the "-er" ending is not the only case in which what in (some variety of) NAm English is an R-coloured vowel gets converted to an elongated 'a' sound. But as I understand it, this R-coloured" type of vowel is a particular characteristic of some pronunciations of English, and it is not clear that this influenced the conversion. The real characteristic is that it is a final unstressed schwa, with or without some sort of "r-ness"; for example, in my own current "neutral-south-English", it's just schwa, but in my native Gloucestershire it's that deep "arrrr" that I don't know the technical term for. But really, really, this is nothing in particular to do with the long vowel mark, it's just a characteristic of how the schwa vowel in English is converted to kana. Does it even belong on this page? OTOH, it could be noted that in drafting patent specifications there is a general preference for omitting the final chōonpu on words, because of the possibilities of confusion with numeral 一 or various dashes. Imaginatorium (talk) 08:01, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "R-coloured vowels" and "-er" (and similar) endings 

message: As a native Japanese speaker I never pronounce the word 長音符 as *Chōonpu*; it*s *Chōonfu* for me.
Although there is a word 音符 'a musical note' pronounced *onpu*, 長音符 actually constitutes of 長音 'a long soound/vowel' + 符 'a sign' (i.e. (chō + on) + fu) and has nothing to do with the musical term.
I believe there is some rule similar to this which prevents the *fu* turning into *pu*.
: Well, Daijirin has an entry for it, with the reading chōonpu, though I guess there are regional variations. But meanwhile, have you ever heard anyone use this word to refer to "ー"? The normal term is surely nobashi-bō, and on a strict reading of Daijirin this is the more accurate term, since 長音符 can refer to any means of indicating a long vowel, including a macron, circumflex, or the ':' of IPA. (My wife, who is a native speaker with plenty of practice at giving our name 「チャンドラー」 over the phone, confirms she has only ever said 「伸ばし棒」.) I think en:WP articles should have English titles where they exist, and therefore I think this article should be renamed "Japanese long vowel mark", or "Japanese long vowel symbol", or any other good suggestion. (This excludes the Unicode consortium's tortured attempts at near-English.) Imaginatorium (talk) 09:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the article name right? 

message: ンー = n̄
12:41, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's this 

message: Does it use tilde for Choonpu Hiragana? 124.106.130.17 (talk) 12:42, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No. (For most values of "it" at least) Imaginatorium (talk) 15:40, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stylistically, though especially in manga settings, I have seen a Wave Dash ⟨〜⟩ used as an emphatic variant to a Chōonpu to represent most typically a prolonged vowel of three or more morae in length (as though if it were two or three Chōonpu in succession). CJLippert (talk) 20:44, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hiragana counterpart? 

message: In the Hiragana to Katakana correspondence table, why doesn't it say this?:
Romaji  	Hiragana	Katakana
hā      	        	
hī      	        	
fū / hū 	        	
hē (hee)	        	
hō (hoo)	        	
Although rare, ⟨Cee⟩ = ⟨Cē⟩ sequence does occur, most notably in ⟨おねえさん⟩. And in the case of ⟨へえ⟩ specifically, that can be either an emphatic interjection variation to ⟨ええ⟩ meaning "really?" or interjection variation to ⟨はい⟩ meaning "yes!" CJLippert (talk) 20:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no へえ? 

message: What the title says.--85.229.235.77 (talk) 12:50, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: From the lead: "Its form is a horizontal or vertical line in the center of the text with the width of one kanji or kana character. It is written horizontally in horizontal text and vertically in vertical text." How does this not answer your question? Imaginatorium (talk) 15:01, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you write it?