Talk:Apple Bandai Pippin

message: Even though the Apple Pippin is "the world's worst game console", this article shouldn't have this title.  Peter O. (Talk) 02:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad title 

message: Where are the high end exercise treadmills that came equipped with the Pippin hosting a web browser? I saw them at product launch. - Sparky 15:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing information 

message: I changed the text that said "see also" to a correctly capitalized header, and changed the Apple, Inc. text into a link.
Icktoofay 05:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also section 

message: It is my belief that the encyclopedic voice disapears when it is said "as mentioned before". Is there a way to rephrase this?--Nblschool (talk) 14:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Titles

message: Apple never made the Pippin, but the OS and ROM was Apple.
Bandai made it, it was advertised as such, so it is in fact a BANDAI Pippin.
Alternatively, it can be called simply "Pippin"
(The front of the Pippin says "advanced technology by Apple Computer")
--Flightsoffancy (talk) 21:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe this is just a mistake in terminology. Apple did indeed make the "Pippin." As I mentioned in another section of this talk page, Apple designed the entire platform. What Apple did was license the platform to other companies. Bandai was one of the licensees. The only thing Bandai really made were the games and the trademarks like @WORLD and ATMARK. Bandai didn't even make the shell and the logic board - this is why the Bandai hardware footprint is virtually identical to the developer unit made in Ireland. Also, Apple controlled the entire developer base. The tools, the specifications, the compilers (APW) - all were run out of Apple. Bandai had no interface with the developers. Apple controlled everything because, if it didn't, then you would've had fragmentation between licensees, much like what you're seeing Google's Android platform go through. Apple Pippin's life was very short, but if it was alive for a few more years, you might have seen Apple Pippin appear not only in other products other than Bandai, but possibly in other form factors, such as cell phones, hand-held devices, tablets, etc. It is the very short lifespan and the limited release of products that cause misunderstandings of what Pippin really is. Groink (talk) 07:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Bandai Pippin", or just "Pippin" is appropriate, not Apple Pippin

message: I posted a few weeks ago this is a BANDAI Pippin.
I understand the belief it is an Apple product, but it never was that.  This is truly a BANDAI product, made FOR Bandai, in Japan, with Bandai related software.
Please do not bounce this back.--Flightsoffancy (talk) 17:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can anyone make an argument for Apple Bandai Pippin?  If not, I will get this moved back to Bandai Pippin, which seems more accurate. Rhindle The Red (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have yet to find any photos of a Pippin's with any Apple labeling anywhere on it, so that counts against it.  On the "for it" side, there are reviews in periodicals that refer to it as the Apple Pippin, and Apple used to have a a support page on their site at http://www.info.apple.com/pippin/, which has since been taken down. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture of the back of the Pippin in the info box has Apple labelling on it.  On the full resolution picture you can read: "Pippin is a registered trademark in the U.S. and other jurisdictions, and the Pippin logo is a trademark of Apple Computer Inc. used under licence" JP Godfrey (Talk to me) 22:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Just plain “Pippin” seems like the least flamey choice to me. 72.235.10.209 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move back to Bandai Pippin 

message: I think some editors are not looking at this article in the same way myself and some others do. This article is about the Pippin platform - technology that, when put together, makes up the Pippin platform. The logic board, the modified Macintosh system software, the firmware, the API, the CDs - all of this make up the Pippin platform. This is very much like Apple's Macintosh or Google's Android - both of them are platforms. Platforms is the foundation from which products are built - or consoles in this case. I think some editors don't see it this way because they're looking at the Pippin from a product perspective. This article is not about the console. The Bandai Pippin ATMARK, or the Bandai Pippin @WORLD - these two devices are examples of consoles derived by the Pippin platform. This article is not about the consoles. This is why, in the introduction paragraph, Pippin is referred to as a platform. If the Pippin was a success, one would have found Pippin being implemented in other form factors, such as phones or hand-held devices like the Nintendo Gameboy. Those are not consoles! Groink (talk) 05:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: [This source says that they are all the same console, but different models using different names. If the article was only about the platform then it wouldn't have included the price, nor would it use sources that all call it a console, nor would the articles title include "Bandai". If you feel that there should be a separate article for the platform only, then you should create one, but this isn't the article to try and prove a point. JOJ Hutton 23:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  This link is a copy of the original Apple FAQ, before Apple took the web site down. This article is slowly becoming one about the platform, and I'm even planning on moving the namespace to "Apple Pippin", and have a section about the different consoles like Bandai. As for the price, there should not be a price in the article, and per Wikipedia's "Wikipedia is not a price guide" guideline, I'll remove the pricing information, which is consistent with the iPhone and iPod touch articles. Groink (talk) 01:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't move the article, but create a new one that is solely about the software. This articles title and sources say that it was a console, because the article is about the console and not just the software. Always has been. If you want an article about the software, then create one, but don't change this article. JOJ Hutton 02:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to clarify, when you say "software," the Pippin is more than just software. Apple designed the logic board, modified Mac OS 7.5, and wrote the specificaitions for developers to write software for the platform. 90-percent of this article is already about the platform, and not about Bandai in particular. The only difference between Bandai and Katz is that Bandai sold more units. Otherwise, with the exception of the external SCSI interface, there is no hardware difference between Bandai and Katz. So, for this article to stay as "Apple Bandai Pippin" despite Bandai only being a tiny part of the article doesn't make sense. As for the "console" argument, we may as well write an article for the Katz Media Pippin. See my point? The platform is the foundation, and the consoles ride on the foundation. The only reason why "the article is about the console and not just the software. Always has been" is because, really, none of the editors knew any better. I don't mean that in a bad way, but the creation of the article was for the wrong reason, and only now are we correcting it. Groink (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever you want to call it, "platform" or "software", doesn't change the fact that this particular article is and always has been about the hardware or the console. That is how it was created. I'm not disputing that "Pippin" is the "platform" used in the Bandai Pippin, but that information is a separate article, if you wish. Just as IOS is the software or platform for the iPhone. I haven't seen any data or sources confirming the Katz though.--JOJ Hutton 02:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

text: Great. I'll add it to my watch list. Shouldn't have too many issues with it.--JOJ Hutton 03:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Platform vs Console 

message: Before any editor even thinks about modifying the Pippin logo, read the official logo guidelines. http://www.macgeek.org/museum/pippin/downloads/pippinguidelines.pdf The current logo shape and color were a result of this document. Groink (talk) 03:54, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo guidelines 

message: I can't find any documentation anywhere about any vibrating or haptic feedback version of the Applejack controller, and if such a thing exists, I'm certain it isn't called an "Applebag Tickler" I tried to edit it out, but my change was reverted back. I'm the noobiest, and I'm still not sure what I'm doing, or how to request a reference citation. Surely If someone claims that there is a vibrating controller for the Pippin called the "Applebag Tickler" the burden of proof would be on them, right? (69.144.113.114 (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, both the "Applebag Tickler" and "AppleBlaster Light Gun" appear to be vandalism.  I first just put a "citation needed" on "Applebag Tickler", as the name seemed implausible even for a Japanese-American co-production, and it seemed unlikely given that the PlayStation DualShock controller wasn't even introduced to Japan until the end of 1997, and North America in 1998.  After that, though, I tried Googling, and found only 7 results for "Applebag Tickler" and 4 for "AppleBlaster Light Gun", all apparently dating after they were added to the article on 2015-08-06 by 99.226.119.233, an IP address on Rogers Cable in Toronto, Ontario, Canada (I would have found it slightly more plausible if coming from Japan and maybe talking about Japan-only accessories).  When you, 69.144.113.114, removed Applebag Tickler on 2015-10-19, 99.226.109.215 (also on Rogers Cable in Toronto) had reverted your edit within hours, meaning they probably had an email alert set up to keep their vandalism maintained.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.226.119.233, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:99.226.119.233, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.226.109.215, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:99.226.109.215 show an obvious history of vandalism and re-vandalism, some not reverted yet.  I suggest this Talk page entry be left here for a while despite the "Applebag Tickler" and "AppleBlaster Light Gun" having been removed in case this persistent vandal returns. -Dan Harkless (talk) 19:41, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Applebag Tickler? 

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