Talk:Queen of Hearts (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)

message: Why is Lewis Carroll denominated as a "mathematician" in this article?
:Because he was a mathematics lecturer at Oxford for 26 years - it was his principle occupation. Apepper 11:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've been told that Tenniel based his image of the Queen of Hearts on a stained glass window in Long Melford Church, Suffolk - I took a photograph of the window and this is below:
Image:QueenOfHearts.jpg|Queen of Hearts original from Long Melford
To my eyes, it is similar but can anyone provide a citation for this window being used? If so I'll add the image to the article.
Apepper 11:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Tenniel inspiration for Queen of Hearts image 

message: We need a realible source for this addition:
:The Queen probably symbolizes Queen Margaret of the House of Lancaster.  During the Hundred Years’ War, also known as the War of the Roses, a red rose was the symbol of House Lancaster.  Their rivals, the House of York, had a white rose for their symbol.  This explains the gardeners' painting the white roses red.
I've seen several documentaries that liken the Queen of Hearts in the story to Queen Victoria, but I am unable to find any source (reliable or otherwise) that makes any connection to Queen Margaret.  I agree the red and white roses in the story might be a reference to the War of the Roses, but I think we need a source before we start adding original research to the article.
Although I have heard/read about the Queen Victoria similarities, I've done some quick searching and haven't been able to find an online source to support this claim either.
:The Queen is clearly a caricature of Queen Victoria, with elements of reality that Dodgson felt correctly would make her at once instantly recognisable to parents reading the story to children, and also fantastical enough to make her unrecognisable to children. 
:Her identity was hammered home for the purposes of popular culture in the 1966 live-action film, where she and the King of Hearts are portrayed without any attempt at fantasy, or disguise as to their true natures or personality.
I've temporarily changed the wording on the article page to be more neutral and to give other editors time to cite any sources they may have about either of these claims.  If no reliable sources can be provided, I'm going to recommend that the entire section should be removed, lest we begin to invite editors to start adding every queen throughout history because "They both wore crowns" or "They both were married to a King", etc., etc. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 01:21, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: The character of the Red Queen and the Queen of Hearts are both better described as archetypes. Don't see that word here at all. Sadly this understanding is not directly proposed at all in this page. Robert Bly has an excellent lecture on the witch energy, Baba Yaga, and presents an encounter between a male encountering a witch and how to survive it.  It would best be used to describe archetypes and especially these feminine dark archetypes- found in women of course, but also the source of significant concern in men- the care and maintenance especially!
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:4E02:9580:D9D4:6281:CF46:6AD5 (talk) 07:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Witch archetype