Talk:Drobnjaci

message: *but according to some researchers there are no direct sources to support Vlach colonization of these lands.
*This information is WP:OR, the source does not mention Drobnjaci, or area of Montenegro where Drobnjaci live, see source page 19,20.
*People from Drobnjaci.
*The informations has no confirmations in the sources, it is WP:OR. I suggest deleting this informations which violates Wikipedia's rules. Mikola22 (talk) 19:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem if Ilona Charmanska is WP:OR then we should remove her from all wiki articles and since she is mentioning Vlachs in that area this is WP:RS either that or we remove any information including Vlachs from this article because they don't relate with article either. But please no double standards.  Theonewithreason (talk) 19:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ilona Charmanska is RS when she talks about the Vlachs in Bosnia or obout Vlachs in general(conclusion about the Vlachs). She in her paper the not mentioned Drobnjaci or Drobnjaci area of Montenegro and in this case it is OR. Mikola22 (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Drobnjaci were a tribe that had their territory in mostly parts of Herzegovina (Old Herzegovina) this part was incorporated into Montenegro only after Berlin Congress in 1878. And why did you remove a huge chunk of article without any concensus or checking for WP:veriability ? This is an obvious edit warring   Theonewithreason (talk) 19:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: From the article: "in Old Herzegovina in Montenegro (municipalities from Nikšić to Šavnik, Žabljak and Pljevlja)". Therefore, these are places in the territory of Montenegro and have nothing to do with information from Ilona Charmanska source about  migration of the Vlachs to Bosnia. Mikola22 (talk) 19:49, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorrect that is what is now Montenegro but the source was posted for the part what was in 14. and 15 Century , at the time that was by no means part of Montenegro. there cannot be double standards in which Charmanska is WP:RS in one article and WP:OR in another especially if the subject are Vlachs and they are mentiod in this article quite a lot. Theonewithreason (talk) 19:56, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: From the source: "as well as the majority of the population from Bosnia and Herzegovina in general". This is about the area of today's Bosnia and Herzegovina and conclusion for today Bosnia and Herzegovina. Source the not mentione Drobnjaci, Drobnjaci area(municipalities from Nikšić to Šavnik, Žabljak and Pljevlja) or Montenegro and it is OR. Mikola22 (talk) 20:08, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I read the book myself and I know the source, Drobnjaci are part of Old Herzegovina tribes mentioned from few historians and like you posted "from Bosnia i Herzegovina in general" absolutely includes the tribes that were part of Herzegovina especially in old days ,that doesn't include political borders of today ,if you want to be specific like that we can also say that tribes in modern days don't exists but then the whole article loses it's meaning and lets not forget that the borders of every country shifted throughout history and that throught history most of the tribe members moved from one geographical part of Balkan to another and that goes for all  . Theonewithreason (talk) 20:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately RS does not mention Drobnjaci, Montenegro or Old Herzegovina. If we interpreted the sources in this way, we would enter into anarchy. It's OR and that information has no place in the article. You try reach consensus. that's all for now on my part. Mikola22 (talk) 20:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  But it mentions Vlachs if you wish we can delete the whole part of the article that mentions Vlachs since it also doesn't have in common with the tribe itself.
Also it would be appreciated that you and other editor stop deleting the content that stood here for a long time undisputed. This is very disrespectful to editors who created this article and I also noticed that none of them were included into discussion. Theonewithreason (talk) 20:53, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but this is a classic example of WP:GAMING. You ignore obvious WP:SYNTH and WP:OR violation, while WP:STABLE has nothing to do with the revision because that policy is only limited to administrators context. Nevertheless WP:SILENCE consensus, it was undisputed because it is followed by a very limited number of editors which doesn't give you a right to WP:OWN an article. It was contested per WP:BRD and the weight was on you to respect other editors revert and start discussing your edit. The only one whose being disrespectful is you.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 21:23, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh please if you really want to go in that way WP:GAMING is what you are doing, since it is obvious that this particular information does not go with your taste, 1) there is no question about  WP:SYNTH because the information is according with the context of that part of the article, like I wrote it before, if you wish we can then delete this whole section about Vlachs since if any of you read the article a bit more carefully ,you will notice that there is mentioning that there were no information about the tribe in second half of 15. century and 16. century ,so we are only assuming the connection between those 2 parts,2) WP:OR sure if Charmanska is WP:OR you can test it on RsN or we can also start searching other articles and delete here from there too, about WP:OWN you are the one who acts like it eventhough it is obvious that your argumentation are insufficient ,WP:OWN is exactly what you and other editor did by deleting a whole parts of article without starting a discussion or reaching a consensus, so please you are the one who violated the rules not me, by not starting a discussion, did not reach a consensus for deletion, did not tested source on RsN and made disruptive editing 3 times in less than 24 Hours. Theonewithreason (talk) 22:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

text: And last thing for today , per WP:BRD we can now see that there are other editors and IPs that are disagreeing with your edits so I am not the only one who finds your reverts disrespectful. Theonewithreason (talk) 22:36, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The foundation of WP:BRD/WP:STABLE or any other guideline is that the dispute is grounded in the different interpretation of the same material. You cited Czamańska (2016), who mentions neither the Drobnjaci nor anything that can be linked to your edits. Don't add Czamańska (2016) to the article. If an author doesn't mention a subject, don't edit-war in order to put forward a particular POV and don't file false reports against other editors.--Maleschreiber (talk) 12:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: Wikipedia is based on sources, sometimes those sources do not specify which vlachs are we  exactly talking about. Drobnjaci are mentioned as Novljani as first. (talk) 22:00 03.January 2023 (UTC) Theonewithreason (talk) 22:00, 03 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between Vlachs and vlachs