Template talk:Birth control methods/Archive 1

message: That all sounds good.  On the template, coitus interruptus is considered a form of masturbation by the Catholic Church, and is not part of NFP.  Everything else I really like. Lyrl 00:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah... Need alternative heading then in the templates 1st line, How about 'Natural' (meaning as opposed to products or medical). 'Self-administered' or 'User' seem awkward. 'Non-medical' might then imply Condoms are medical, which clearly they are not. David Ruben  Talk  01:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah thanks - I had therefore previously assumed Natural Family Planning as being same as Natural birth control - as always thanks for your input, and I shall now add to the relevant articles (we will see have it is received) :-) David Ruben  Talk  01:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Where does this go?  It seems to be part of a previous conversation...

message: Is there some significance to the fact that some have () and some have {}? — Omegatron 02:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No - just where I copied the list from I guess. Well spotted - correcting now David Ruben  Talk  02:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typography 

message: Because Wikipedia has only one sterilization article, the template now has three links to the same article (vasectomy and tubal ligation are just redirects).  Is this to avoid confusion by users (they can click on whatever they want to)? Lyrl 22:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and also... The table sets out in a structured way a summary of available options (Fertility awareness also lists some of the specific methods listed but is a useful distiguishing term that might be sought by the reader). Also I suspect that the sterilisation article is quite long and in need of splitting - ie issues of sterilisation and consent from partner being or not being required - Also issues if existing child dies, partner widowed or partnership split and later new relationship may all result in requests for reversal of procedure are appropriate to Sterilisation; the specific methods then in their own article. David Ruben  Talk  02:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sterilization 

message: Let's all work on reaching a consensus for a new infobox to be placed on each individual birth control method's article.  I've created one to start with on the Wikipedia Proposed Infoboxes page, so go check it out and get involved in the process. MamaGeek (Talk/Contrib) 12:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Infobox for individual birth control method articles 

message: I know this is a controversial topic, which is why I'm opening the discussion on the talk page, not by changing the template!
From the infanticide article:
:In sociology and biology, infanticide is the practice of intentionally causing the death of an infant of a given species, by members of the same species. In many past societies, certain forms of infanticide were considered permissible, whereas in most modern societies the practice is considered immoral and criminal. Nonetheless, it still takes place — in the Western world usually because of the parent's mental illness or violent behavior, and in some poor countries because of tacit societal acceptance.
As this clearly shows, although infanticide should not be used as birth control, it sometimes is, and definitely has been.  I therefore suggest that infanticide be listed in the template.  Comments? --Slashme 08:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infanticide 

message: The "Hormonal" line is now so long it wraps around to a partial second line on my monitor.  The line spacing is different with the wraparound vs. a formal break, and it looks a little odd.
I'm not sure how to rearrange to make it look better, though.  I've played around with it a little bit and haven't come up with anything satisfactory. Lyrl    Talk     Contribs   21:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size of box 

message: In response to the recent edit attempting to make Essure its own listing: I, personally, think of "tubal ligation" as physically disconnecting the tubes, whether through cutting or cauterizing or clamping.  Blocking of the tubes, as with Essure or with quinacrine, I think of as alternate methods of female sterilization.  I gather that the recent editor shared my view.
Perhaps we could rename the links "Female" and "Male" instead of "tubal ligation" and "vasectomy"? Lyrl    Talk     Contribs   22:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sterilization naming 

message: Looking at the other entries under Drug navigational boxes, I discovered several formats that are easier to edit, as well as being visually clearer.  I chose a simple format and applied it here.  I think it will clear up many of the spacing problems that people have been discussing.  Joie de Vivre 21:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call. I've tweaked the vertical spacing of the lines by moving each item coded on a sepearate line into single lists. I'm a bit dubious about classifying anti-oetrogens as "non-hormonal" as they work on a hormonal system, albeit as antagonists (opposers) rather than agonists - similar oestrogen in the combined pill is obvious oestrogenic in effects, yet is not its contraceptive effect in part that teh exogenous supply suppresses the normal pituitary-ovarian axis ? I think just terming Ormeloxifene as "anti-estrogenic" is simpler, and also far shorter :-) David Ruben  Talk  02:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I would like to do is have some sort of ordering of reversible/natural through to more interventional hormonal, to postcoital to abortion and sterilisation sequence; currently seems a little jumbled. Also I think Post-coital measues have a sequence of EC to abortion - would also compact down the template by one line. David Ruben  Talk  02:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree Lyrl, not primary purpose and we should remove. Although occasionally is a secondary issue, eg for those with heavy (menorrhagia) or painful (dyspareunia) periods, if they also wish to have perminant birth control then this may be final part of decission on treatment approach. Likewise for younger women requring hysterectomy, the issue of resulting infertility can be huge issue (e.g. cancer, or in catastrophic haemorrhaging following miscarriage or birth) - but we're not including the sterilisation effects of chemotherapy here either David Ruben  Talk  04:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting

message: The logic used in removing hysterectomy and castration from the list was that birth control is a side effect of these operations.  In accordance with this logic, I have removed Celibacy from this list, leaving Sexual abstinence.  Certainly, some people might maintain sexual abstinence primarily for birth control.  However, if you look at the Celibacy main article, birth control is not listed as one of the primary reasons for maintaining celibacy.  The state of celibacy is associated with deep religious, social, or personal convictions which are unrelated to birth control.  As in the case of hysterectomy or castration, birth control seems to be a side effect of celibacy.  Sexual abstinence is a more accurate description of the behavior of those who abstain from sex primarily for birth control, and it remains in the list.  Joie de Vivre 19:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Celibacy

message: I removed these specific types of FA because Fertility Awareness is the term used to describe these methods, and a link is provided to this article.  I agree that these methods should be given attention, but I feel that the Fertility Awareness main page is a better place to do so.  I have requested, on that Talk page, that Lyrl or other knowledgeable users will help to make the FA article a centralized location where the various FA methods are compared and contrasted.  Joie de Vivre 14:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Creighton model, Billings ovulation method