Talk:Second Sudanese Civil War

message: It says it is the most deadly conflict since WWII. This is no longer the case. The reference goes to page written in 2001, and it may have been true then. However, now the most deadly conflict since WWII is the conflict in the Democratic Republic of Congo which has claimed the lives of over 5,000,00 people (from a widely cited report by the IRC). This statistic is used widely in academic and non academic sources and is easy to find on the internet. Time to update this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.80.123.34 (talk) 01:29, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: How many is 5,000,00? Does anyone reeaad what they think they wrote anymore. 75.174.132.218 (talk) 08:02, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most deadly conflict - not true 

message: I reverted some posts that seemed to just have been added for bias, things like "This article is biased and untrue" and "SPLA was heavily supported by western countries and Christian groups". There was no references, just the text. If someone wants to revert my changes with references, fine by me.
--207.250.85.58 (talk) 17:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: A very nice article, long, detailed, and with pictures, maps, and infobox. Needs references though. LordAmeth 20:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:MILHIST Assessment 

message: From the article:
:The agreement reached during this war in 2002 is also one of the causes of the Darfur conflict.
Should "2002" be replaced with "2005" or was there some agreement in 2002 that our article glosses over? AxelBoldt 01:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1002 agreement and the Darfur conflict? 

message: Not sure about the line "the rebels achieved little" in relation to the outcome of the conflict. The CPA provisions for power and wealth sharing, national elections, and determination that the people of Southern Sudan have the right to self determination and referendum on secession, are all substantial gains for the south. The line should be removed as it is inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.121.89  (talk • contribs) 
:I kind of agree. The idea also seems to be the peace agreement accomplished nothing, except cause fighting in Darfur, and I don't think that's fair at all.--T. Anthony (talk) 12:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that this conflict can be considered a SPLA victory, since the rebels achieved their main aims of gaining independence for the South. --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Darfur has next to nothing to do with this war. The Darfur question is wholly a northern affair, one that by chance, occured after this conflict. -- Secondat of Orange (talk) 02:47, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The result of the conflict 

message: SPLA-Nasir, SSLM and Anyanya II were all predominantly Nuer collaborationist militia (read their respective articles), it doesn't make much sense to keep them on the anti-government side of combatants. I'm not sure whether to move them on the pro-government side or give them their own area. They behaved much in the same way the Čhetniks did during the Yugoslav front of WWII, only difference is that the Čhetniks actually fought against the Nazis and Ustaša up until a point.
N.B. I removed the flag from Anyanya II because it was the flag of Anyanya I. Anyanya II has no reported iconography. -- Secondat of Orange (talk) 20:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: For clarity's sake, I will explain in detail why your changes were problematic:
* The "Army for the Liberation of Rwanda" did not fight in the Second Sudanese Civil War. The Rwandan militants which moved into Sudan were still part of the (Ex-)FAR and Interahamwe; upon arriving, they joined the Sudanese security forces as militias. These militias never operated on their own, and they never joined the "Army for the Liberation of Rwanda".
* "Combat aid" is about countries which provided weapons to Sudan. The countries which you moved under this section such as Iraq and China (as explained in the notes) directly fought in the civil war.
* The "Sudanese Alliance Forces" are not the same as the Sudanese National Alliance.
* Riek Machar and other SPLA commanders were listed on both sides because they fought on both sides, as outlined in the article.
* Again, "Combat aid" is wrong for Uganda, Ethiopia, etc. which fought in this civil war with thousands of troops; for the same reason, their respective leaders are listed as commanders.
Applodion (talk) 09:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to infobox 

message: Hi Applodion, don't you think that the Pibor massacre is out of place in the Background and causes section? Stara Marusya (talk) 16:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should it be? Murle and Nuer groups were major players in this war, and the massacre was one of the largest in the pre-war period. Applodion (talk) 09:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Pibor massacre was not in the pre-war period. Stara Marusya (talk) 11:43, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

text:  (Facepalming myself) Ok, sorry, I somehow thought that you were editing the South Sudanese Civil War, not the Second Sudanese Civil War. How did I not notice this? Anyway, I have restored your changes. Sorry for everything. Applodion (talk) 12:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. Stara Marusya (talk) 13:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background and causes 

message: Hello I would like to put into serious question with regards to the validity of Eritrea's involvement in this war. The referenced writer Mr. Plaut, has an agenda against Eritrea and has written numerous unsubstantiated accusations against the nation. I wish to request a review of the source, and serious consideration with regards to any information that is derived from Plaut. Ericandude (talk) 16:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Umh, no. Plaut is a highly reliable author, and you are making unsubstantiated accusations. The Eritrean involvement in this war was confirmed by many veterans, and was also included in books/articles by other researchers like Alex de Waal, Dan Connell, and Anthony Clayton. Applodion (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eritrea's Involvement in Second Sudanese Civil War