Talk:EST and The Forum in popular culture/Archive 1

message: I'm not so sure this one fits with the rest. Everything else here is of the form "This [film/TV show] contains [reference to subject] in the following manner", whereas the King episode is of the form "Larry King did a show about the subject". BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Larry King appearance 

message: Is this a list or an article?
If it is a list, then the name should be changed.
If it is an article, then it needs some serious re-writing. Lsi john 01:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Article? 

message: *The references in the article are about half and half, but there certainly are plenty to "The Forum".  I will move this back.  Smee 05:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is about est and The Forum 

message: Article was prod tagged on Aug 16th for "nn trivia page".  I see more than sufficient references (16 total) to establish notability.  The entries are organized, with three books, three films, and five TV entries (many notable in their own right)—every single one with citations and content. Trivia, per se, is not a reason for deletion, and this article is more than just trivia. Even if it were just trivia, some suitable trivia adds flavor to articles, and is part of what people like to find in WP, I believe, as long as it's notable and verifiable. Prod tag removed. — Becksguy 00:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed deletion contested 

message: In the process of reformatting the article from a list format, to a more analytical, paragraph format.  Cirt 03:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reformatting 

message: Here below I have provided the 2 WP:RS sources that back up this information in the article, with the relevant quoted portions of these 2 books and their page numbers.  Cirt 05:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We still having that "reading problem" Salad? Arcana imperii Ascendo tuum 01:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not know what this is in reference to from your previous interactions with , but on this talk page please try to assume good faith.  Cirt 02:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just very familiar with the sources you cited and I assumed he was too, due to his deep fascination with all things Erhard. I'll keep it in mind, though. Thanks! Good luck with your article. Check the punctuation in regards to quotation marks, as the commas and periods go INSIDE them, not outside. Again thanks for your wisdom and good luck. Looks solid so far. Arcana imperii Ascendo tuum 02:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the tip.  I will go back and check the commas and periods.  Cirt 02:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "est" came from ''est: The Steersman Handbook'' 

message: :We still having that "reading problem" Salad? Arcana imperii Ascendo tuum 01:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not know what this is in reference to from your previous interactions with , but on this talk page please try to assume good faith.  Cirt 02:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just very familiar with the sources you cited and I assumed he was too, due to his deep fascination with all things Erhard. I'll keep it in mind, though. Thanks! Good luck with your article. Check the punctuation in regards to quotation marks, as the commas and periods go INSIDE them, not outside. Again thanks for your wisdom and good luck. Looks solid so far. Arcana imperii Ascendo tuum 02:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the tip.  I will go back and check the commas and periods.  Cirt 02:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: I'm going to put this on GA Hold for a few days. There is at least one formatting problem. Look at reference number 7: something is wrong. The article needs a simple copy edit. Revising of the text is advisable in several places including the first sentence:
Werner Erhard and his self-improvement courses known as "est" or Erhard Seminars Training, and "The Forum" or Werner Erhard and Associates, as well as later incarnation Landmark Education with its course "Landmark Forum", have been referenced in popular culture in various forms of fictional media including literature, film, television and theatre.
 
Another example is:
In addition to non-fiction influences such as the self-help course Mind Dynamics, cybernetics, the book Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, Scientology courses and the writings of its founder L. Ron Hubbard, Werner Erhard's self awareness courses were also influenced by a science fiction book he read shortly before forming Erhard Seminars Training, called: est: The Steersman Handbook, Charts of the Coming Decade of Conflict, by L. Clark Stevens.[1][2][3][4]
In general, a thorough copy edit would help the prose. Overall, the article is interesting and seems well sourced. It doesn't need much work to pass GA. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 00:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand now about ref 7. To me that seems a bit unorthodox. Why not list them all separately? Where a statement is contentious, having a row of sources/citation numbers is like having a stack of books on your desk ...it looks as if you know your stuff. I'd prefer to see ref 7 broken out into individual refs. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 04:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, will do.  Cirt (talk) 04:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  - Split up sources into separate citations instead of combined, as per suggestion from .  Cirt (talk) 04:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: The article could still be copy edited but it meets the GA guidelines. I enjoyed reading it. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 00:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Pass 

message: Regarding removal of highly sourced material, multiple entire subsections in fact, by  is highly inappropriate.  This article has gone through a WP:GAC review, and was successfully listed as a WP:GA, it has also had a peer review.  Please do not remove sourced material from this article. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 04:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, removal of large portions of sourced info from this article by  after it has gone through several reviews, without consensus is inappropriate. Please discuss nonconsenus changes of removal of whole subsections of sourced info on the talk page. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 13:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of highly sourced material is inappropriate 

message: I removed a link to someone's personal blog, not appropriate on Wikipedia -- Please see WP:LINKSTOAVOID -- 11. Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority. Also, this blog does not have to do with est and The Forum in popular culture, but rather non-fiction, historical accounts.  Cirt (talk) 04:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate external link