Talk:Ballroom dance

message: Removed this paragraph from List of dances in order to make it a simple alphabetical list of dances .  This text, may or may not already be in this article.  That text should, or maybe needs not be incorporated into the article.  The part of the text which is a list of dances remains in List of dances.  The accompanying text has been removed.  :Sfdan 06:05, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: I changed the first paragraph under "Strictly Ballroom."  Hope no one minds my changes, explained here:  I felt that "commonly accepted standards" and "conventional standards" was redundant, so I eliminated the former; I changed United States to North America, since we do the same in Canada, and left out "franchise studios," since here medal exams don't have to be held by a particular club.  I think that classifying medal exam takers as simply social dancers is a bit limiting - someone who is serious but in the early stages of learning is not necessarily a social dancer.  So I explained the difference in ability between competitive dancers and medal takers instead. Finally, "Novice" was listed between Gold and Pre-Champ, that can't be right.24.64.223.203 22:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That would depend on the system of competition.  Where I dance, competition levels have nothing to do with medal tests.  In my experience, people compete at levels based on how they have done in previous competitions, and someone competing at Bronze might very well have completed a gold medal.  That's because in medal tests you are measuring up to a general standard to show you have completed the learning at a certain level; whereas in competition, your competitors have not simply passed, but mastered that level.  It's not deceptive, but perhaps you are used to a different system.24.64.223.203 02:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  medal test vs. competition amended 

message: Portal:Dance has been started. Please have a look. --Roland2 12:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal:Dance 

message: :In times past, ballroom dancing was "social dancing" of privileged classes, leaving "folk dancing" for the lower classes. Today ballroom dancing is much more democratic, and the boundaries between once-polarized ballroom and folk dances become blurred.
Yeah, that's not POV at all.
How do Wikipedians not recognize this as a completely personal evaluation of modern ballroom dancing?  This is not encyclopedic information. <unsigned>
Oh yes, this is encyclopedic. Today I dance in the same hall with a millionaire and a truck driver. It was unimaginable 100 years ago. What kind of other evaluation do you want? Horse's? Alien's? Everything is "personal evaluation". What exactly is wrong in this section? mikka (t) 10:24, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it's fine as it is.  ナイトスタリオン ✉ 12:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think society has changed, rather than dance forms. There is a lot of stealing between forms of "folk" or "bar" dancing and ballroom forms. I think thats the meaning, and I think it is fine as it is. Removing the tag. Dominick (TALK) 14:55, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV too? 

message: This article does not define ballroom dancing, it regularly uses 'of course' which is POV, It uses phrases like C/W bars without explaining or wikilinking them, and I have no idea what ballroom dancing is after reading the article. I don't understand it at all. Usually Wikipedia is quite good at explaining things like this for me. How do I recognise whether a dance is a ballroom dance? Is it done in ballrooms? What's a ball? This articles raises more questions than it answers. In fact, it answers very few for me. It was probably written by someone assuming the reader would know what ballroom dancing is - well, I don't! Please clarify! Gerrit CUTEDH 20:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: For "ball" see "Ball (dance)" ;-) --Roland2 16:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup 

message: User:DoctorW, :Category:Ballroom dance is in two categories, :Category:Partner dance and :Category:Social dance, both of which are in :Category:Dance. Since ballroom dance is in :Category:Ballroom dance, it is also in all three categories I also mentioned; that's what's meant by "overcategorization". —Nightstallion (?) 07:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of revert 

message: External links to online video demos of each dance were reverted twice (but not defended here by the editor who placed them on the article page). I think the video clips, or something similar, are very helpful (especially to those completely unfamiliar), and speak to the problem that Gerrit mentioned just above. How can someone understand what dance is about from a verbal explanation alone? Other sites like ballroomdancers.com have good online videos, but too detailed (broken down into figures) for a casual reader, who needs a very general snapshot of each dance, which is what that link provided. There may be other, better links, but something similar is very important to link to in my opinion. -DoctorW 23:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have to be careful about point 1 under WP:EL#Restrictions_on_linking and points 3, 5, and 11 under WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided.  I'm not convinced that the link added meets all these (is Starlite TV connected with dancescientist.com? Doesn't look like it.).  I'd be OK with linking to videos from an MIT collegiate competition (see , for example), as those are ad-free and the person running the site owns the copyright or at least a license to use the videos. Thoughts? --Spangineerws (háblame) 04:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think if one really wants to know what a dance looks like, they can easily find one via any of the numerous online video sites such as youtube.  While taking advantage of the medium to show videos of each respective dance may seem like a good concept, then we embark on a slippery slope of how to portray them accurately--the links given did not portray the higher proficiencies of ballroom dancing, nor did it portray the lowest...furthermore most were American style yet did not caption them as such.  How do we provide links that accurately convey to the reader what they're actually looking at?  To me, to provide extraneous media that gives more questions than answers or worse, gives potentially misleading portrayals, is worse than providing no media at all. Tendancer 21:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Two years have passed since the discussion above. A huge number of videos have been added to the web during this time. I'm reverting the addition of an external link with videos, but I've come up with an alternative solution: linking to search results for each dance on YouTube. YouTube's own search algorithm determines which videos rise to the top of the search list, and this changes over time. This solution seems to draw on the democratic/Wikipedia/Google style approach. I believe this is a positive additional resource for this page. What do others think? I propose we keep it to the 8 most common dances I've included (it's only a sample after all); otherwise the list gets too long. -DoctorW 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. But I am not sure if point 1 of Wikipedia:EL#Restrictions_on_linking applies in case of You Tube. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 23:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It took me awhile to find appropriate searches, but take a look at the links now that they're done. None of them go to a particular YouTube video. -DoctorW 23:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Online video demo of each dance

message: I have always liked dancing and loved watching, so being able to find a website that gives a plethera of information for me and gets me excited is a plus.  I am very pleased with the contributiions that people have made to make the Ballroom Dance page. I am currently taking a ballroom dance class at my school and I think it is the best time that I have had in a long time. It is a great way to get in shape and meet new people, especially if you take it by yourself. It forces you to speak to others that are also partnerless to talk. Thank you to tose who have made this site.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Channy22 (talk • contribs) 01:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballroom Dance and Desires 

message: This is on page page right now:  "For the 1st time in 2008, ballroom dancing will feature in the Olympics, with Jean-Marie Leveque and Francois Beauchemin expected to challenge for gold."  I can't find any reference to ballroom dancing or dancesport in the olympics at all.  Is it an exhibition or demonstration sport?  Is this statement correct?  --68.255.76.117 (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted. `'Míkka>t 19:29, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympics? 

message: The Modern Ballroom Dancing by Victor Silvester (Ebury Press, 2008), part I - History refers "We gain our first authorative knowledge of the earliest ballroom dances towards the end of the sixteenth century from a priest, one Jehan Tabourot, who, under the nom the plume 'Thoinot-Arbeau', published in 1588 his 'Orchesographie'". Maybe this could be as the missing reference for the definitions and history part? Those who understand the French language could comment after reading for example the following link:   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.17.205.227 (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Why is the picture at that "arty" angle?  Panzer V Panther (talk) 18:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess because diagonal gives a wider field.  - 7-bubёn >t 00:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Impressive; you presented a legitimate reason.  Alrighty.  Panzer V Panther (talk) 05:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's with the picture? 

message: It has been suggested to merge the two pages ball (dance) and ballroom dance.  I think this is inadvisable because we really need a page clarifying that formal balls are occasions involving far more than dancing.Peter (talk) 15:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's not been formally proposed, because there's no 'merge' flag on this article. It it were to be proposed, I would tend to support your point of view. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am against such a merge as well. -- PBS (talk) 11:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, and as there are no supporting voices, I am going to remove the suggestion on the Ball (dance) page. Robina Fox (talk) 01:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ball vs. Ballroom dancing 

message: Made a run-on sentence in the Victorian Era section into two differnet sentences.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.189.65.146 (talk) 11:36, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick edit 

message: The source for the dance tempos at  also lists BPM.  I don't see any reason that should be excluded.  Can we add it to the table? The1gofer (talk) 04:15, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Tempos

message: In "Style Classification" article there is a link to the International Standard-article which has nothing to do with dancing. But the International Latin-article exists correctly (although merely more than a stub). Judith Sunrise (talk) 00:55, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Next time you can do it yourself. The top of the page International Standard has a link "International Standard (disambiguation)", which has a list of synonyms for which there are wikipedia articles. You may see here how to make a link to a correct synonym. -M.Altenmann >t 04:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, the link in the article is now corrrect. The disambiguation page though only has one entry and therefore automatically redirects to the other one. I am curious about thy asymmetry between an existing "International Latin" article and an non-existing "International Standard" article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judith Sunrise (talk • contribs) 14:14, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Standard Link 

message: I'm a total noob, so I'm not sure this is the right way to address this, but...
Recently, "Ballroom dance may refer, at its widest definition, to almost any type of partner dancing as recreation." near the top has been changed to "Ballroom dance may refer, at its widest definition, to almost any type of partner recreation of babies."
Also, "The term 'ballroom dancing' is derived from the word ball" at the start of the Definitions and History section was changed to "The term 'ballroom dancing' is derived from the word DOG".
I didn't notice any other problems, but I just quickly scanned the rest.
WikipediaFan2600 (talk) 19:12, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks. it was vandalism. unfortunately not enough eyes. if you look into article history, usually users without username are vandalism suspect, and by comparing selected versions of the article before and after their edits you will see all their changes, and you can easily revert them. you may also look if these users have other destructive edits (yes, but they were reverted)  you may also war the user: User talk:175.138.30.26. after 3 warnings the account usually gets blocked. see WP:VANDAL for mor. - üser:Altenmann >t 07:05, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somebody being funny? 

message: Under "Dances" the article states that International Standard and International Latin are a thing and that American Smooth and American Rhythm are a thing. Then in the next paragraph all 19 dances are listed but it is never mentioned which ones are Standard and which ones are Latin and it's never mentioned which ones are Smooth and which ones are Rhythm. Either turn these 2 lists (10+9) into 4 lists (5+5+4+5) or divide each list into two parts ((5+5)+(4+5))so it is clear where each dance belongs. Input? Do you agree? Which method is better? If nobody answers, I will change it. Judith Sunrise (talk) 13:01, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, User:Altenmann Judith Sunrise (talk) 18:51, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard/Latin and Smooth/Rhythm 

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message: Hello, in the "Dances" Section the article claims that "Argentine tango" is danced in both International Standard and American Smooth. Which is very wrong. Especially International Tango has almost nothing to do with Argentine Tango; and nobody who dances Internationall Standard would ever call it "Argentine tango", the just call it "Tango" or "International Tango". I propose we call it "Tango" und just point out that it developed from Argentine Tango in the description. Judith Sunrise (talk) 13:43, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: On second read, I see that the description clearly is about Argentine Tango technique. And in the classification-section below the dances are called "tango", not "Argentine tango". In short: it's a mess and I don't know how to solve it. Judith Sunrise (talk) 13:43, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  it's not "Argentine tango" 

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