Talk:The Jam

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Weller insisted that he was merely trying to irk "trendy left-wingers" and, still in 1977, bemoaned how the group had garnered the "Conservative" label and expressed disgust with Margaret Thatcher.
Have we got a source for this, please? Conch Shell 13:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: Not wishing to take away anything from Bruce, but can anyone confirm his vocal and/ or creative input? Almost all Jam tracks are credited to Weller only, and the exceptions suggest the rest of the band's influence is unusual. Demo versions also seem to be Weller alone ("Thick as Thieves", for example). I'm also not sure on the vocal harmonies thing; many songs sound like Weller overdubbing. I don't know myself, just noting my suspicions for accuracy's sake.
:A whole lot of b-sides, especially earlier on, were written by him alone. As for vocals, I'm fairly sure he has lead on Smithers-Jones and trades off with Weller on David Watts. Some songs you can clearly hear him in the background, names of which escape me at the moment. In live performances at least, his mouth was definitely moving.--TheUniversal 15:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruce Foxton's input 

message: Someone swiped (should I say 'nicked' for the Brits?) my copy of 'Dig the New Breed' 20 years ago, but I clearly remember Weller's rambling liner notes saying something like "Coming home pissed from the pub and writing 'That's Entertainment' in five minutes." The article says he came home from holiday and wrote it. Is there a source for that?
:From "The Jam - A History, 77-82" (no ISBN anywhere to be seen!?) comes the following: 'That's Entertainment', for example, came about after a night on the booze. "I wrote that," Weller reveals, "after coming back from the pub drunk with beery euphoria. I wrote seven verses, though I cut one of them the next day. The whole thing took about ten minutes because the words just rolled off my pen." CiaranG 21:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's Entertainment? 

message: A user changed the members of the Jam to those of the "From the Jam featuring Rick Buckler and Bruce Foxton" touring group, left Paul Weller as a mere "former member," labeled that as a minor edit (!), and it stayed that way for over a month. This is an article about The Jam, not "From the Jam." The whole point of that name is to slyly get by the legal fact that it isn't the same band. The "2007 Revival" section of the article covers the "reunion" tour; if more information is desired, it should be in a new article about From the Jam. (It should be no different from the handling of The Cars versus The New Cars. --emw 04:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Replying to this very old comment to agree that From the Jam should have its own article, and its list of personnel etc should be moved there. Before moving the information to a separate From the Jam article, checking if there are any objections to doing that? IndigoBeach (talk) 13:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do it.  Rick Buckler's pension plan isn't relevant here.  Unknown Unknowns (talk) 09:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've used the original From the Jam redirect page to create the From the Jam article, and have moved all relevant information there. Looks like the software has automatically created a new redirect page, so I've tagged it for speedy deletion. IndigoBeach (talk) 15:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Re:Infobox: It's The Jam - not "FROM the Jam" 

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message: How can the writer(s) of this article possibly talk about a divergence from psychedelic influences when the B side of Funeral Pyre was a cover of about the Who's only serious attempt at psychedelia apart from Magic Bus - Disguises? Also - Funeral Pyre is about book burning, about fascism (the video at the time carried the famous footage of Brown-Shirts burning books http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFrrNhsGZp4), not about "Rick Buckler's drumming". What part of the line "their mad eyes bulged their flushed faces said 'the week get crushed as the strong grow stronger'" are we not understanding here? Eton Rifles isn't about one particular incident - "what chance have you got against a tie and a crest?" - goes a little deeper than that. The song Absolute Beginners is a reference and a salute to what the book said about youth and music - its not a direct reference to the book at all.
Also "non-LP single" is a gross understatement. Record companies hated the fact that bands wanted to do that at the time, and bands had to insist on it. Weller was fuming that people were putting out exports of more than one single from an album (ie backdoor record company import singles), when the agreement with the record company was "one single per album".
Let's think about being young, and working class in England, aspiring to a better 'lifestyle', a more sophisticated way of thinking, how much that left you on the outside amongst your own, the people you were brought up with, the people you loved. The Clash, The Sex Pistols, no-one articulated that in the way Saturdays Kids, When You're Young, Strange Town, Away from the Numbers, Running on the Spot, Town Called Malice and Going Underground did.
I personally think this article doesn't begin to understand and articulate The Jam.
Celeryness (talk) 02:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Man in the corner shop 

message: re the jam playing 2 songs on top of the pops, i don't believe they were the first band since the beatles to do this as i recall slade being at no.1 a few years before & after playing their latest chart-topper playing out the show with the b-side. however, i can't recall the songs in question for sure, although i have a feeling it may be the "cum on feel the noize" single.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.228.33 (talk) 23:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: TOTP

message: Can someone clarify the bit in the first paragraph about "best-selling import singles of all time in the UK" ? Seeing as how this is a British band, I don't understand why their singles would be considered imports in the UK?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankenab (talk • contribs) 22:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Singles released in countries other than the UK which were not released in Britain by this UK band at the time, but being released in other countries, they charted in the UK singles chart through UK sales of imports (such as  'That's Entertainment' , having been released in Germany, the song charted in the UK from the number of single sales imported).--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Import Singles

message: The article in general is reads like a cobbled together narrative constructed from old NME reports. Worse still it lacks any attempt to explain why Weller folded the group. It the section on the dissolution says they got a #1 record then that was it!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.226.95 (talk) 10:35, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Break up 

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message: The first "Formation" paragraph has him playing guitar and then later switching from bass to guitar.  Did he switch from guitar to bass and back again or is the first sentence in error? - Immigrant laborer (talk) 23:21, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: . He initially played bass (a Hofner Violin bass like the one Paul McCartney plays). At the time Brookes was lead guitarist and Waller rhythm guitarist. After Dave Waller left the band, Bruce was brought in, initially as the rhythm guitarist. He accidentally broke the Hofner bass after a gig one night, and Paul basically later told him he was going to be the bassist and Paul was going to play guitar.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:05, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Weller play bass when Brookes was in the line-up? 

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message: Someone has tagged a number of sentences with "Citation needed" on this article and on Paul Weller. 
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I'm going to add "Original research" to that whole article too, as it's not just the Jam sections that need work. But people might want to work on those two (and maybe more) articles in tandem. 
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replies: text: I've removed the Original Research banner today - since it was put on, editors have added citations & made edits for all "citation needed" tags in this article at the time the banner was added. IndigoBeach (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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