Talk:Kiger mustang

message: A lot of this seems to be a direct copy-and-paste from the various sources by various editors, and thus it looks like some of the information is overlapping or redundant. Katr67 00:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: The Sorraia type mare pictured is not typical.  The information from Kiger Brand stating they were discovered in1971 is incorrect, it was 1977.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.54.212.155 (talk) 18:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The image of the pinto and dun horses that replaced the Sorraia type photo at the top of the page do not appear to be Kiger mustangs from the Kiger or Riddle HMA.  There are no pintos allowed in the Kiger registries and they do not usually occur on the HMA.  It looks like this image was taken from another Oregon HMA SilverSheWolf (talk) 04:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted back to to Sorraia image. Although the pinto is from Steens which is also an HMA. But is there a third image we can agree on? I'd agree the pic including the pinto is confusing. Valfontis (talk) 07:46, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the Sorraia isn't a Kiger, either.  I put the Mesteno photo back up, that was the one that was there for quite a long time. The image quality is poor, but it's unquestionably a Kiger.  Montanabw(talk) 08:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me. Valfontis (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: I know it's probably what the source says, but "claybank" IS red dun. Overall, the description of the color is probably what the source says, but they have no freaking clue how dun works genetically and it is described quite poorly.  May want to mostly link to the dun article for descriptions and just discuss the basics plus the additional weird words they use (see what I did for the weird words at Fjord horse, where they call grullos "gray" ) ;-)  Montanabw(talk) 18:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Primitive markings include the two-tone mane/tail and leg striping, see the primitive markings article. Primitive markings as a whole are "dun traits". Point coloration can include the face, but I didn't realize we had an article, so I removed the parenthetical explanation and just left the link. The registry separates claybanks from other red duns, don't know why. All the variation names and color descriptions are from the registry, although I made a few clarifications, including that all of the shade descriptions are working on a tan base coat, so we're not talking red, we're talking tan with a red tinge. Dana boomer (talk) 19:36, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, you are right about the guard hairs, and yeah, duns are basically the only color that exhibits much in the way of primitive markings.  We should eventually get that primitive markings article better sourced (I miss Countercanter).  Your changes mostly work for me.  These registries often made their color distinctions before we understood genetics very well (I remember actually being taught in college in the 80s that mating palominos might produce a lethal white "albino" ... no one understood cremello genetics yet...) I tweaked the stuff that's making me crazy, do as you wish with my edits (LOL)  Consider my butting in as a mere pre-GA PR, I'm not claiming a substantial contribution here, but just want to support the effort.  Montanabw(talk) 21:10, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on article improvement 

message: I do not have these books ... would want them checked for coverage also ...
* http://books.google.com/books?id=zmg-ZQ6oep0C&dq=%22kiger+mustang%22&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s
* http://books.google.com/books?id=PxXejG6sjbMC&dq=%22kiger+mustang%22&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s
: Ealdgyth - Talk 13:05, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Johnson one has partial Look Inside on Amazon; Kiger Mustang is mentioned with the Pryor Mountain Mustang and others on p. 73, but as far as I can see does not have a separate breed profile. Nice summary of other available sources above, btw; pity the OP hasn't troubled to provide a similar list of sources in support of his assertions, though he has as usual amply compensated for that lack with inane verbiage and irrelevancies. Allow me to help: here's a Google Scholar search for "Kiger mustang" landrace. And, for what it is worth, here is what the International Museum of the Horse says about it: "Kiger Mustangs are an established breed". Are we done here? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: How would personally attacking me, then observing that Kiger Mustangs exist as a breed resolve the issue of what to do about there being both a breed and a landrace and us already having sources that distinguish between them?  If anything, you're supporting my position; you've provided additional sources that not only is the landrace notable, so is the breed (not all asserted breeds are notable and many attempts to establish new breeds fail, so this was not a foregone conclusion).  It's unclear to me what sources you think are missing.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:38, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A landrace is a stage of breed development; here they are basically the same thing.  As we have been trying to explain to you all along.  Montanabw(talk) 19:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A landrace is  a stage of breed development; you're falsifying sources again. Here's a direct quote: . See below for more from this source, demonstrating every point I'm making here about this article's scope.  PS: The position you imply, that a landrace is  a stage of breed development, doesn't even make sense here, because we have reliable sources that both the formal breed(s) and the landrace .  What you propose is .  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  12:13, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further possible coverage... 

message: *Vote to close RFC: Clear 3:1 consensus against splitting the article, and multiple reliable sources provided by the majority parties versus one person's endless ranting.  Let's close this dramafest before it wastes any more bandwidth.  Montanabw(talk) 19:00, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed early closure

message: Someone tried to add updated material  but didn't do it very well; there might be a good web link or some salvagable data there, though, so parking for later.  Montanabw(talk) 08:16, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  For later 

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