Talk:Wolverine (character)/Archive 4

message: You cannot put Black Cat, Spider-Man, and the Punisher under affiliations because Wolverine has teamed up with them, unless that pairing was given a name (i.e. "Heroes For Hire" for Luke Cage and Iron Fist).Solofire6 17:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Affiliations

message: Hiya. Great article here; lots of good info.
The reason I've changed "External links" back to "References" comes from these verbatim sections of Wikipedia:Cite_sources. (Please note in Item 2 below that the italics are theirs, and not inserted by me. Thanks.)
1)
:Complete citations in a "References" section
:Complete citations, also called "references," are collected at the end of the article under a ==References== heading. Under this heading, list the comprehensive reference information as a bulleted (*) list, one bullet per reference work.
2) 
:External links/Further reading
:The ==External links== or ==Further reading== section is placed after the references section, and offers books, articles, and links to websites related to the topic that might be of interest to the reader, but which have not been used as sources for the article. Where there is a references section, editors may prefer to call the external links section "further reading," because the references section may also contain external links, and the further reading section may contain items that are not online.
So sources used to write an article go under "References", and other helpful citations go under "External links" if they're linkable and "Further reading" if they're not online. — Tenebrae 04:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "References" vs. "External links"

message: I am suprise that no one have added any source of information on this origin.  I thought I have added it a while back, but it may have been deleted.  Anyways, in the reprinted issue of the Incredible Hulk 180, there is an extensive interview by cockrum where he goes in detail of Wolverine's origin and why it have changed.  I think the high evolutionary storyline changed when they got new writers, where they didn't like the idea but I don't remember.  i decided to buy the comic on ebay (my brother has the comic, but I don't know where he put it at.)--Doomzaber 22:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wolverine's other Origin

message: "Dispute Update: Wolverine is not actually a mutant a previously thought, but instead what human beings would have become had the Celestials not tampered with early mankind (see Paradise X #4),such is Sabertooth, and other characters like Wendigo.  So the powers which were deemed "mutant powers" are in actuality the natural abilities that all humans would  possess if it weren't for the weakening of the human race by the Celestials." - GIPU 71.32.81.229 09:28, 15 April
:Paradise X was simply another alternate reality and isn't part of the mainstream Marvel Universe.  The aspect involving Wolverine not actually being a mutant isn't accepted as canon. Odin's Beard
:Correct - none of the Earth/Universe/Paradise X stuff has any bearing on MU continuity - SoM 00:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "(disputed! read below)" 

message: Is it really neccessary to have a costume gallery for the character? I say it should be deleted. Besides the article is getting a little to big.
--Gonzalo84 22:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costume gallery 

message: Logan always says bub,is it a canadian or american word?
It's a relatively common (even borderline stereotype) Canadian word.  24.177.49.54 21:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BUB 

message: Shouldn't there be a small section on Wolverine's relations with other characters? Such as Jean, Jubilee and(from what I know, in the movies) Rogue?
Don't forget his clone, I don't if it's true, I've only heard about it.
You mean X-23? Ace Class Shadow 19:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships 

message: From "Marvel: Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics" by Les Daniels, p. 166:
"I took Len Wein to lunch one day," says Roy Thomas, "and we talked about how to create a Canadian character for the comics, because we had a fair amount of sales there. I thought Wolverine was a good name, and I said I wanted him to be a little, scrappy guy. Then I left it to Len."
:I missed that part. I'm gonna have to read it again...  Trekphiler 03:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  another co-creator? 

message: I think the last paragraph of Publication History should be deleted, as the information there is already present in the 4th paragraph of the article. AltrEgo2001 22:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant Information 

message: Although I do commend the author for the extensive research involved in this portion of the Wolverine article, I think this should be edited so as to not sound like an 8th grade book report. I'll do it if no one else wants to, but with the interest in the new movie I'm sure someone more adept at writing Wiki articles will see the grammatical errors and take care of it.
AltrEgo2001 23:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wolverine In Other Media 

message: The New powers and abilities section too long (see past dissusions), why do we need it?T-1000 02:50, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I trimmed a bit of Odin's Beard's edits, such as the reference to Spider-Man. T-1000 02:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Please provide a citation noting that Wolverine is immortal. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 07:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: As ChrisGriswold said, you'd need to cite a source. You might want to wait until Wolverine #48 is published before adding information on this - it's being solicited as an explanation for recent events ("Logan’s survived a plane crash, near-decapitation and being burned alive. The question is... HOW?"). As ever, solicitation text is unreliable, but... --Mrph 08:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "Fair to say" or not, that's independent analysis, which constitutes original research.  As for whether it's fair to say, he has aged since gaining his powers, meaning he may die of old age and would not then be immortal.  However, that's speculation which also doesn't belong on Wikipedia.  Your attempt to better the article is appreciated, but please stick to statements and analysis from reputable secondary sources.  --NewtΨΦ 13:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Your explanations are a result of independent analysis or speculation neither of which should be added to a Wikipedia article.  Please do not add uncited analysis to the article.  --NewtΨΦ 17:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, although it can perhaps be said that in Wolverine, volume 3, #43 he regenerated from a skeleton - something that is well beyond the previously established limits of his healing factor. It can also be said that solicitation text from Marvel has since acknowledged that this is not consistent with the way his powers have been depicted in the past, and have stated that this will be addressed as a plot point in Wolverine, volume 3, #48. Or words to that effect. --Mrph 00:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hokgwai, please read policy before adding this again.  You are introducing your own analysis of what happened in a comic book, this fails Wikipedia's policy against original research. Further, it may not even have been Wolverine, and stranger things have happened in comic books.  Until it's explained, any reporting of the event as Wolverine surviving being incinerated to his skeleton would be speculation, and Wikipedia is not the place for speculation. --NewtΨΦ 00:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That's assuming that his healing factor would keep him alive indefinitely, too. That's a fairly huge assumption. For all we know, it gives out after a few hundred or thousand years. A long time, yes, but hardly in the immortal league. CovenantD 01:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Powers and abilities

message: Why are you people getting your knickers in a twist! You want to put citations for a comic character! The fact that should be a concern, its' frivelous and pointless. And the fact that comics have rectons whenever, who knows what citation would be rendered useless. And don't worry, its not like a University Professor is going to see one minor mistake of continiuty on this Wolverine profile,and then castrate the website. Just fix it if it has a mistake, and that will be that. Don't overcomplicate matters.
:I was hoping to work the article up to Good article status. At the very least, it is Wikipedia policy. It is especially important for the parts about the IRL things (ie what the comic creators have said abot him)--DCAnderson 04:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's necessary to have issue numbers and to keep an out-of-universe perspective in order to help maintain fair use.  The entire article should have citations, without them, the claims and statements in the article are not verifiable and we stand a strong possibility of merely paraphrasing fiction, which is copyright infringement.  Please read up on policy and guidelines before ranting.  --Newt ΨΦ 18:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CITATIONS!?

message: the section I said might have been vandalized (see page history around the timestamp I sign with here) had many minor problems seemingly introduced, which I've gotten tired of fixing as I was reading it.  Someone should go through the page history and see if someone vandalized this section inconspicuously.  A lot of the sentences just don't make sense now. 87.97.8.232 15:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tired of fixing grammar 

message: the section I said might have been vandalized (see page history around the timestamp I sign with here) had many minor problems seemingly introduced, which I've gotten tired of fixing as I was reading it.  Someone should go through the page history and see if someone vandalized this section inconspicuously.  A lot of the sentences just don't make sense now. 87.97.8.232 15:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tired of fixing grammer. 

message: Erista, wolverine's son, wasn't listed under relatives. Some of you may not even know he existed so please visit http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/gahcksavland.htm before even considering editing this out. Also if someone does i'd appreciate the help in arguing for it to stay. I don't think there'll be much of an issue here, but you never know, this IS wikipedia...
Btw i know she's not his wife, and so i didnt list Gahck under it. Also they're from Wolverine: The Jungle Adventure if u want a comic reference — ChocolateRoses talk
You're right, I completely forgot about that.  I don't believe that Wolverine even knows about his son but I agree that he should be included under the relatives section. Odin's Beard
Hey, could this son be Sabreclaw from the alternate universe MC2. I read somewhere that Sabreclaw was Wolverine's son with a woman from the Savage land, and I saw Erista's  picture and he has the same complextion and hair color as Sabreclaw.
In the 1990 one-shot story "The Jungle Adventure", the child in Gahck's arms appears in only the very last panel of the book. While it is clearly implied by the story to be Logan's baby, the child is never named or even revealed to be male or female by either the story's author, Walter Simonson, or it's artist, Mike Mignola. To this day, it still remains the child's only appearance to date (even though Logan has since returned to the Savage Land on several occasions, apparently with no time to check in on his wife). 74.244.63.126 03:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gahck and Erista, Tribe wife and son 

message: Whew! I just did some extensive edits on Wolverine's history. Hope you all enjoy! Solofire6 01:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extensive Edits 

message: In the comics powers/abilities it doesn't state that wolverine has superhuman reflexes, or enhanced reaction timing ?
It's stated that his agility and relfexes are enhanced to levels that are beyond the human body's natural limits.  Sounds superhuman to me. Odin's Beard 14:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wolverine reflexes 

message: There was a period of time where Wolverine was apparently replaced by a Skrull.  Does anyone know what that was all about or how long it lasted?  - HKMARKS 02:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skrull Wolverine 

message: Someone keeps adding to the powers and abilities section that Wolverine has regenerated completely from having the flesh burned from his body, leaving nothing but his bones.  The only instance I know of where the flesh was instantly incinerated from his body was during the Days of Future Past storyline and that's an alternate universe.  When else has this occurred and is it canon? Odin's Beard 17:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's creative licencing. It says in the article that the level of his healing factor has varied from writer to writer. This is the highest his hf has ever been writen though, and may cause a few problems continuty wise. JQF 23:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Being burned to a skeleton? 

message: The Powers and abilities section is too long again. Needs some trimming. T-1000 19:45, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Power and abilities

message: Someone keeps removing the picture from the powers and abilities section displaying Wolverine being reduced to his skeleton after Nitro uses his powers against him.  This same person states that in #44, it's revealed that it wasn't Wolverine but a SHIELD Life Decoy.  I've just been to Marvel.com and Wolverine #44 doesn't even hit stores until July 26, so how does this person know that it was a Life Decoy?  Until the issue hits shelves and verifies this claim, I'll just keep adding the picture back.  And lay off the name calling.  It's immature, idiotic, and has no place here. Odin's Beard 00:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, since it would be OR at this point. T-1000 21:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the resolution on that pic, by the way?  Fair use tag says "low resolution" images are believed to be okay. --Newt ΨΦ
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball - nobody has seen 44 - so I say we leave in it and then we can ALTER it if it turns out to be a LMD or a drug-induced coma or whatever. And people throwing around words like "retarded" should remember what Wikipedia says about civility to other editors.
--Charlesknight 17:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic of Wolverine being reduced to a skeleton 

message: I added the announcement of the movie following the press release on the Empire film site though I don't know if it is in the right place or not. Fell free to move it somewhere more appropriate.Schnizzle 15:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie 

message: Is the fact that he was considered for playing Wolverine in an X-Men film back during the 1990s really all that noteworthy, especially considering that the article section is devoted to music?  To my knowledge, and if I'm wrong let me know, the Wolverine character hasn't been immortalized in a song, there isn't a band or artist that uses Wolverine as a stage name, etc. Odin's Beard 01:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Find a reliable source and add it. --Chris Griswold 08:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glenn Danzig 

message: Per WP:CMC, Ultimate character articles should be merged into those of their Marvel Universe counterparts. --Chris Griswold 22:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: * Merge -- Chris Griswold 22:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: *The page should be kept for the upcoming miniseries. --Jamdav86 15:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: *First attempt at merge has now been done, text could do with editing down a little but I don't think anything important has been lost in the move. --Mrph 23:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merged