Talk:Nikita Khrushchev

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Nikita Khrushchev. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111231050039/http://www1.media.american.edu/speeches/Kennedy.htm to http://www1.media.american.edu/speeches/Kennedy.htm
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:49, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Into Archive 2 specifically. --CaptainNtheGameMaster (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk page archived

message: Khrushchev signed a statement that he had not given the materials to any publisher... Upon publication of the memoirs in the West, Izvestia denounced them as a fraud.
:Any updated verdict on whether these extensive memoirs were genuine? Valetude (talk) 01:14, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memoirs genuine? 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
* 
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 04:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: This edit tells: "Beria launched a lengthy series of reforms which rivalled those of Khrushchev during his period of power and even those of Mikhail Gorbachev a third of a century later.". This nonsense is written in WP voice. I doubt this appears in the cited source. Any link? And even if it does appear, this is only a personal view by author (needs an attribution); there are different views that can be cited. "One proposal, which was adopted, was an amnesty which eventually led to the freeing of over a million prisoners". Yes, he did release the prisoners, but only criminal convicts, this should be made clear, even if we keep the paragraph.  What had actually happen is much better described in this section of page about Beria. My very best wishes (talk) 01:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think this should be reworded.--Jack Upland (talk) 02:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The text in Taubman is as follows:
Sorry about any typos, I'm copying and pasting from a pdf of Taubman's book. There's more about what Beria did on the following pages.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:48, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

text: Thank you very much, and this is probably an excellent book! All of that can obviously be used, but the source actually tells that "Beria was not a closet liberal; he played the role of reformer just because he was drenched in blood." This is true, and very different from saying, as a matter of fact, that he "launched a lengthy series of reforms which rivalled those of Khrushchev during his period of power and even those of Mikhail Gorbachev". In fact, he did not launched any actual reforms, but just "played the role", freed a large number of prisoners (mostly "non-politicals"), condemned Stain in a few personal conversations (of course, because Stalin was going to execute him and some others), made a few actions to dismantle cases started by Stalin to dismiss him personally, like the Doctor's Plot, etc. as the source tells. My very best wishes (talk) 16:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

text: "Even before Stalin had been laid to rest, Beria launched..." This is also misleading. Not before, according to the quotation above. My very best wishes (talk) 16:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

text: I've toned it down somewhat.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:10, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Beria did what has been described on page 246 of your source and we could include it. However, those are obviously not "reforms rivaled Khrushchev's and in some ways even Gorbachev's thirty five years later". Why should we place such extraordinary personal opinion instead of simply saying or summarizing what he actually did? My very best wishes (talk) 19:23, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is supported by a footnote in the book.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:57, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Which exactly "reforms" did he do? Those described above (your citation)? Yes, they can be noted, but I wonder how they could be summarized as anything rivaled Gorbachev's reforms. Not everything published somewhere should be cited. We need to understand the subject and summarize what multiple RS say on the subject accordingly.  My very best wishes (talk) 22:59, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

text: What about if we were to leave Khrushchev and skip Gorbachev? Would that satisfy you?--Wehwalt (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This has nothing to do with me. This is about properly describing well known facts on the page. For example, Khrushev made his famous public (for members of CPSU) speech about at least some of the crimes by Stalin, i.e. On the Cult of Personality and Its Consequences. Did Beria do anything even remotely similar? No. He only said to someone privately "Stalin was a scoundrel, a savage, a tyrant! He held us all in fear, the bloodsucker." (as cited above). That can be noted, but it is something entirely different. Is it even a reform? No. Beria said: "Fortunately we're now rid of him.". Yes, this is great quotation. One can reasonably argue (as a number of sources say) that Beria played a great role in history by poisoning Stalin. But "reforms"? Yes, sure - those which were listed above. My very best wishes (talk) 00:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

text: So, I can quickly fix it. We simply should not make any sweeping and questionable claims like that Beria was a great reformer when very next phrase contradicts such statement. My very best wishes (talk) 16:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

text: this is better, but the whole page heavily relies on a single source, the book by Taubman. This is obviously a good scholarly source, but I think we should generally avoid citing personal opinions by the author (as was correctly acknowedged in your edit), and especially when they are disputable. For example, the release of a million of "non-political" criminals was viewed in many sources as not a reform at all, but an attempt to destabilize the situation by unleashing the wave of crime in the country, as actually happened. My very best wishes (talk) 15:45, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably a good thing not to hold petty criminals in the gulag either. We don't quote much from Taubman, so it's not a huge problem, and during the parts of the article dealing with K's premiership, we do use more specialized sources as well.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: OK then. I realize that such citation makes this article more interesting. My very best wishes (talk) 22:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad we could agree.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:22, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: A paragraph praising Beria

message: The Cold Warrior flavour of this "piece" is unmistakable. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:1C93:CAEE:755C:C6BC (talk) 17:52, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: For or against the Russians?--Wehwalt (talk) 18:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV trash 

message: talk:  Why remove "* Anatomy of terror by Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev (Washington: Public Affairs Press, 1965)"?  - Aboudaqn (talk) 23:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't apparently a book by him, but an English translation of the Secret Speech.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  talk:  Oh, an English translation, is it?  Thank you!  Now, why remove it, when it establishes at least one date when a translation of the secret speech became available in English...  Sounds reasonably important – important enough to leave on the page, yes?  Please restore - Aboudaqn (talk) 01:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually show a 1956 publication date for this, which is the date of the speech. And the year it was reprinted in The New York Times among other places. Not to mention non-English translations. I'm very dubious about this.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Why remove "work"?

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Vladimir Khrushchev. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 3#Vladimir Khrushchev until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  signed, Rosguill talk 17:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Vladimir Khrushchev" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Please, link the Ryazan miracle article. It's important milestone in Khruschev career which led him to fall from favor of his country's party and people. Thanks. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 18:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryazan Miracle 

message: Per revision of my edit , I'm reading page 98 of Khrushchev: The Man and His Era, and I'm not seeing anything about millions executed and imprisoned. Can you cite the specific text in the book you're referring to, please?
 Stix1776 (talk) 02:41, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The FAC version of the article, from 2009 doesn't appear to mention it, therefore someone added it along the line. I've removed it.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "during which millions of people were executed" 

message: I guess in the fourth paragraph of the Early life section,  it should be tank mines instead of ten mines. Mission Mao (talk) 10:30, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No, ten mines.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible error 

message: I thought I knew about Nikita Khrushchev but this article is a thorough overview of this man's incredible life. Thank you! Krok6kola (talk) 13:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a wonderful article! 

message: This is from the lede, written in WP voice. How can this not be considered POV??? 142.198.135.33 (talk) 05:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What's POV about it?--Wehwalt (talk) 12:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I don't see the problem.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "However, he did not suffer the deadly fate of previous Soviet power struggles and was pensioned off with an apartment in Moscow and a dacha in the countryside." 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
* NikitaNina.JPG
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 18:08, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: In the lede it says this: 'Khrushchev enjoyed strong support during the 1950s thanks to major victories like the Suez Crisis, the launching of Sputnik, the Syrian Crisis of 1957, and the 1960 U-2 incident.'
However, in the article on the incident itself, we get this: 'According to American broadcast journalist Walter Cronkite, Khrushchev would go on to say that this incident was the beginning of his decline in power as party chairman, perhaps because he seemed unable to negotiate the international arena and the communist hardliners at home.'
So which is it? LastDodo (talk) 16:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effect of U-2 incident on his popularity 

message: I found this sentence to be unclear and confusing, and believe it to have been miswritten. I do not have the relevant information to make an edit on my own, so I am hoping this is the proper place to point out such a thing. Apologies if this is not appropriate for this forum, I am new to using Wikipedia in this way and am still learning. Hyyacinthee (talk) 20:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a "the", but apart from that I can't see anything wrong with it.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In 1962, a special summer school was established in Novosibirsk to prepare students for Siberian math and science Olympiad." 

message: interesting facts + march 05 ass;assination, Katyń facts
wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Stalin_and_antisemitism&diff=prev&oldid=1217705053#External_links
en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Joseph_Stalin&diff=2841289&oldid=2776394  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.19.224.22 (talk) 19:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  СталинИосифВиссарионович Ass;assinated!