Talk:BMP-1

message: Deployment
** "BMP-1 infantry fighting vechiles(sic, gotta fix that) are used by the armoured jaeger companies and BMP-2s are used by armoured recon and armoured anti-tank companies. New Swedish Combat Vehicle 90s and Finnish Patria AMV 8x8s have been ordered for the Readiness brigades." Says the article Finnish_Army.--194.111.49.254 09:47, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: BMP-1

message: The list is badly incomplete and inaccurate too, first it says that most of the vehicles in afganistan were supposedly captured from soviets, well this is not true, but the vehicles were those used by the legimate army of afgan goverment delivered them by USSR.
Also Finland is not listed as "operator", even when the vehicle showing its door mounted fuel tanks in the "Protection issues" section is FDF vehicle in Finnish camo and bearing the "PS" (armor) registration serial which can be clearly seen in the picture also the finnish vehicles were first delivered at around 1983 from USSR it self with another patch following and them suplemented by the DDR surplus and there was in the end 2 brigades, a division worth of T-72, BMP 1 and 2 in equal numbers, around 110-150 of each of these.
Yes, the majority of Afgnan BMP-1 IFvs were delivered from USSR as support for Afghan legitimate army. But Afghan mujahideen could repair some Soviet IFVs which were damaged and abandoned during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, and used them also.
As for Finland - AFAIK the first Soviet BMP-1 IFVs were delivered in June 1981 and the second Soviet delivery which consisted of BMP-1 and BMP-1K IFVs took place in summer 1982. A total of 85 BMP-1 and BMP-1K IFVs was delivered by the USSR. The third batch which consisted of 110 different variants of BMP-1/BMP-1P was delivered in 1990 by Germany from ex-East German stocks (all were modernized in 1994-1997 by Patria Vammas Oy). There were around 40 BMP-1 (+ native produced BMP-1TJ "Tuya" artillery reconnaissance vehicles) in service with the Finnish Army in 1995 and 1996.
Regards, --Vladimir Historian (talk) 16:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operators 

message: Shouldn't the door-mounted fuel-tanks be mentioned under "protection issues". I believe at least some analysts have considered this an important flaw. Now it is only mentioned in the image text. -Sensemaker
The additional fuel tanks located inside rear doors (the main fuel tank is located inside the vehicle in troop compartment) for sure should be mentioned in "Protection issues" subsection. But we should remember that Soviet army instructions highly recommended to fill the door fuel tanks with sand instead of fuel before entry into combat (because door fuel tanks are used to increase the operational range of BMP-1 on the march, only the main fuel tank should be used in combat). And door fuel tanks filled with sand increased the resistance of BMP-1's armoured doors to 12.7 mm armour-piercing bullets.
Regards, --Vladimir Historian (talk) 16:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seems like that would lead to a hell of a cleanup job if you ever wanted to use those fuel tanks again. Source for this? DMorpheus (talk) 13:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those "issues" and others were discussed here, by people with 1st hand experience:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132972&  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.132.196.3 (talk) 04:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection issues 

message: An opinionated evaluation is not what we need for this article, rather it could use a healthy dose of CONTEXT in regards to the design. I'm not sure exactly what that would entail, but I know commenting on how poorly the BMP-1 would fare against modern vehicles is not helpful. 65.37.28.154 04:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In need of an expert 

message: I updated the list of variants and broke the list up country by country. -- dendirrek (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variants 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "Tanks in Russia" :
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** <ref name="Otvaga">Боевая машина пехоты БМП-1
* "Global Security" :
** Global Security
** Global Security
DumZiBoT (talk) 23:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: I'd like to suggest we avoid self-published and dubious sources in this article. In particular, using scale model-kit advertisements as a reference is really dubious IMO and does not rise to the reliability standard we ought to be aiming for. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 22:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough, I'd say at minimum references 6 and 15 are self-published sources that do not meet wikipedia standards. There are others but those jump out at me. There's simply no need to clutter and weaken the article with these references. After all, the BMP is a well-referenced vehicle. regards, DMorpheus (talk) 14:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  References 8 and 67 point to the same plastic model kit advertisement site and should also be eliminated. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 14:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  We still have numerous self-published sources. I've tagged the article. DMorpheus (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I've just found 7 dead reference links and a what appears to be a self published source, and tagged them as such. Between them, they are used about 60 times inline. Hohum (talk) 01:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well done. The article is weakened by some of these references. DMorpheus (talk) 16:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've started providing references from Zaloga and Sarson, more to come. Hohum (talk) 00:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I've deleted references to Gary's and JED again. Neither meets the reliable source criteria. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 18:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable sources 

message: It is claimed that BMP-1 was the first, but the Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30 was well a decade before the BMP-1. This also invalidates the section stating that before the BMP-1 there were only APC "battle taxis". BP OMowe (talk) 01:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  First mass-produced IFV 

message: * Malyshev S. (2002). Tanks in Russia. Boyevaya Mashina Pekhoty BMP-1 (1964–2000) (in Russian). Russian Motor Books. Template:Listed Invalid ISBN=5-09-873406-4.
* Malyshev S. (2002). Боевая машина пехоты БМП-1 (1964–2000) (Infantry Fighting Vehicle BMP-1, 1964–2000) (in Russian). Russian Motor Books. .
1. As you can see above, for the same source, the bibliographical information differs.
2. Defining the same source twice is not good. See "Wikipedia:Citing sources#Citing multiple pages of the same source" for alternative approaches.
Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 04:11, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Malyshev S. (2002). Tanks in Russia.

message: Does anyone know what the clutch pressure on a BMP-1 was? 
I had the pleasure of climbing into one of these machines on a US base "back-40" after someone chopped off the padlock on a top hatch and I was able to to crawl through to the front and into the driver's seat.
This is just a ridiculously heavy clutch, and really a somewhat cathartic experience as a driver.  I would guesstimate somewhere around 80lbs, just based on my driving experience (a 911 clutch being somewhere in the area of 18 lbs.).  Maybe a Bradley or Abrams clutch would equal this, but both of those vehicles have what is equivalent to an automatic transmission, so there's really no way to compare.
Anyhow, the whole way the BMP-1 was put together looks exactly like the interior of a US Bradley or any other piece of equipment that would be constructed by any of the NATO countries.
Just kinda found this neat, and oh, there's probably a bunch of Russian walking around with left legs that resemble telephone poles. :)  
EDIT:  Just a neat, neat vehicle from geek standpoint.  I like it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.51.217.118 (talk) 04:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  BMP Clutch Pressure 

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