Talk:Saint Thomas Christian cross

message: Just started with this article.There arent any copy right volations, please dont start deletion. Tarijanel 21:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: Please discuss improvements in article.Tarijanel (talk) 02:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements in Article

message: The title Stone crosses of Kerala fits better than Rock crosses of Kerala. Moreover, the name used in its inscriptions is Stone cross. Neduvelilmathew (talk) 18:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
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message: This article Ancient crosses of India throws some doubts.
:Till the middle of last century these crosses were known as Persian crosses. Now they are known as Saint Thomas Cross or Nasrani Menorah. Why is this change?
:How is it possible to compare a cross with a Menorah?
:In the article Nasrani Menorah it says that it is the symbol of Knanaya. If I am not mistaken these crosses are found in Knanaya churches. Am I correct?
:The inscriptions on the crosses at Kottayam and Mylapore are not in any South Indian script but in the Persian Pahlavi scripts. Do these crosses belong to a Persian church or Persian religion?
:Where in the Bible you find that Paraclete descend on the cross of Jesus?
:Does this cross originally belonged to the followers of some other religion? Neduvelilmathew (talk) 17:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian or non-Christian Crosses

message: I hate it when other people tag articles for improvement & do nothing else -- but I honestly don't know where to start on this one. It's a fascinating topic, the opening paragraphs aren't bad (although they could definitely be better) -- but then it goes rapidly downhill. The section "Trinitarium" is an unsourced rambling essay about the possible origins of these crosses -- or at least a native explanation of them; I don't know whether to drastically rewrite it or just remove it. The section "Interpretation of the Inscriptions" is a non sequitor: do all of these crosses have the same inscription, or just one or two of them have the inscriptions translated here? (If so, which ones? What language is this inscription in? Are the inscriptions difficult to read?) And then there are issues with the language, which is sometimes inappropriate for an encyclopedia, & sometimes just baffling. Could someone who knows someone about the subject -- & can a good article -- have a go at this article? Otherwise, a less sympathetic editor might just decide to take a sharp scalpel to this & simply remove what can't be easily fixed. -- llywrch (talk) 17:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have removed many of the unsourced materials. Only two of the crosses has inscription. The oldest in India is at Madras. The Goan Cross also claims same antiquity. The inscriptions are in Pahlavi. One of the cross also has a Syriac inscription which is a Galations quotation. The issues in reading the inscriptions are common with ealy Pahlavi writings.
This is a very fascinating topic as you mentioned. Even each of the free standing crosses has its own history. I hope some one with time and information will update more on this .
Pamparam (talk) 03:19, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

text: I have seen some of these crosses mentioned in this article and have also made an independent study on them. In fact this article is biased, needs to be overhauled and cannot be corrected section by section. There is no mention of the ancient crosses of India, but this article  is only about the stone crosses of india.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 18:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you point out what are the wrong information in the article ?. The issue with you is lack of basic understanding about Christianity in India. It can be corrected by reading scholalry research than using your obscure independant research.Pamparam (talk) 03:11, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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message: The term Nasrani Menorah is a recently coined word. (less than 50 (?) years). Earlier these crosses were known as Persian Crosses. Neduvelilmathew (talk) 16:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nasrani Menorah

message: I have doubts about the integrity of this article. Is this really worth to be included in an encyclopedia?
#According to this article, this cross is called Saint Thomas Cross, Mar Thoma Cross, Nasrani Menorah, and so on. Like many other St. Thomas Christians in Kerala, I knew this cross only as Persian Cross. 
#In the File:St. Thomas Cross.jpg, it says that it represents the branched Jewish menorah. The six branches, (three branches on either side of the cross) represents God as the burning bush. According to Dictionary, a Menorah is a ceremonial seven-branched candelabrum of the Jewish Temple symbolizing the seven days of the Creation. Does this statement in the File, means that this cross is a lamp?
# Location of the Saint Thomas Crosses: Kottayam Valiapally belongs to the Knanaya Church, Kadamattom Church was founded by a priest /bishop from Persia. All the other churches belong to the Roman Catholic Church. Are they all St. Thomas Christians?
#The File:St. Thomas Cross.jpg is not a complete photograph of the cross. The inscriptions that are missing are in Sassanian Language. (See File:Kottayam Valia Palli02.jpg).  It is neither in Aramiac nor in Syriac, the languages used by St. Thomas Christians. (I am not forgetting the Syriac inscription on the cross at Kottayam which was made at a later date on a different type of stone). At no time in South India, Sassanian was used as an Indian language, 
#What is this Paraclete doing on the cross? When Jesus was on the cross did any Paraclete appear? Neduvelilmathew (talk) 07:12, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Integrity of this article