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message: I've heard that new passports have a fern leaf on them.  Can anyone confirm?  JDM1991 (talk) 18:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: The people's republic of China is missing from the visa list. Is someone with knoledge on the subject able to rectify this?79.121.197.4 (talk) 12:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: ===Israeli spies (2004)===
In 2004, two Israeli intelligence agents working for Mossad, Eli Cara and Uriel Kelman, were convicted and jailed for attempting to obtain New Zealand passports through submitting fraudulent applications. A third suspected Mossad agent, Zev William Barkan, who was a former Israeli diplomat based in Europe was involved in stealing the identity of a tetraplegic Aucklander to obtain a passport fraudulently in his name. It was not until a year later that the Israeli Government formally apologised to the New Zealand Government for its actions.
===Israeli spies (2011)===
A combination of unusual events immediately following the death of an Israeli, Ofer Mizrahi, in the 2011 Christchurch earthquake aroused the suspicion of the New Zealand Government, which decided to investigate whether he and his companions had links to Mossad. In particular, there were concerns that the travellers may have been trying to infiltrate the police national computer system to gain access to information which could be used to clone New Zealand passports, as well as other highly sensitive intelligence files. The story then gained media attention worldwide after it was revealed by The Southland Times in July 2011.
Mizrahi, who died in the earthquake after being crushed by falling masonry in a parked van, was found in possession of at least five foreign passports. All of his travelling companions, Michal Fraidman, Liron Sade and Guy Jordan, met with Israeli officials and left New Zealand within twelve hours of the earthquake (despite the chaos and difficulties relating to travel and communication in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake), having been personally escorted by Shemi Tzur, the Israeli ambassador, to the airport. Not long afterwards, the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu phoned the New Zealand Prime Minister, John Key, four times to enquire about the four Israeli travellers.
Further suspicions regarding the real identity of Mizrahi were raised when The Southland Times revealed that, despite media reports within Israel describing him as a popular person, a Facebook tribute page had only received five comments.
Although no conclusive evidence could be found to implicate the four Israeli backpackers, leading security experts, such as Paul Buchanan, have nonetheless continued to argue that there remain many unanswered questions surrounding the affair.
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The reason given by Gilabrand for removing the above content from the article is that it is 'off-topic' and 'sensationalist newspaper reporting'.
However, I strongly disagree - the two incidents relating to Israeli spies being implicated in situations involving New Zealand passports makes their inclusion in the article wholly relevant. For this reason, inclusion of the two incidents is not 'off-topic'. 
As to the second accusation that the two incidents are only 'sensationalist newspaper reporting', again this is clearly not the case. The 2004 incident was widely reported by both national (TVNZ, 3 News, NZ Herald etc) and international media (ABC, BBC, CBC etc). The Israeli Government also issued a formal apology to the New Zealand Government over the incident. Regarding the 2011 incident, again it was widely reported by both national and international media. Whilst there was no concrete evidence/governmental confirmation of the allegations made by The Southland Times, it is important to bear in mind that this is fully reflected in the article - in describing the 2011 incident, the article does state that 'suspicions' were aroused (i.e. these were allegations that haven't been proven) and that 'no conclusive evidence could be found to implicate the four Israeli backpackers'. Therefore, far from being based on 'sensationalist newspaper reporting', the description of the 2004 and 2011 incidents involving Israeli spies and New Zealand passports is balanced and written from an objective, neutral point of view.
Bonus bon (talk) 13:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just deleted the second (Israeli spies (2011)) section. (a) There is no evidence that these guys were spies, (b) The text now said "Even after...the Israeli Secret Service (Mossad) was caught using New Zealand passports for covert activities" - yet no ref was provided for this allegation, and (c) There was no evidence that these guys did anything wrong. I have retained some text about the concerns (which were reasonable), and the refs. Snori (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: A combination of unusual events immediately following the death of an Israeli, Ofer Mizrahi, in the 2011 Christchurch earthquake aroused the suspicion of the New Zealand Government, which decided to investigate whether he and his companions had links to Mossad. In particular, there were concerns that the travellers may have been trying to infiltrate the police national computer system to gain access to information which could be used to clone New Zealand passports, as well as other highly sensitive intelligence files. The story then gained media attention worldwide after it was revealed by The Southland Times in July 2011.
Mizrahi, who died in the earthquake after being crushed by falling masonry in a parked van, was found in possession of at least five foreign passports. All of his travelling companions, Michal Fraidman, Liron Sade and Guy Jordan, met with Israeli officials and left New Zealand within twelve hours of the earthquake (despite the chaos and difficulties relating to travel and communication in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake), having been personally escorted by Shemi Tzur, the Israeli ambassador, to the airport. Not long afterwards, the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu phoned the New Zealand Prime Minister, John Key, four times to enquire about the four Israeli travellers.
Further suspicions regarding the real identity of Mizrahi were raised when The Southland Times revealed that, despite media reports within Israel describing him as a popular person, a Facebook tribute page had only received five comments.
Although no conclusive evidence could be found to implicate the four Israeli backpackers, leading security experts, such as Paul Buchanan, have nonetheless continued to argue that there remain many unanswered questions surrounding the affair.
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The reason given by Gilabrand for removing the above content from the article is that it is 'off-topic' and 'sensationalist newspaper reporting'.
However, I strongly disagree - the two incidents relating to Israeli spies being implicated in situations involving New Zealand passports makes their inclusion in the article wholly relevant. For this reason, inclusion of the two incidents is not 'off-topic'. 
As to the second accusation that the two incidents are only 'sensationalist newspaper reporting', again this is clearly not the case. The 2004 incident was widely reported by both national (TVNZ, 3 News, NZ Herald etc) and international media (ABC, BBC, CBC etc). The Israeli Government also issued a formal apology to the New Zealand Government over the incident. Regarding the 2011 incident, again it was widely reported by both national and international media. Whilst there was no concrete evidence/governmental confirmation of the allegations made by The Southland Times, it is important to bear in mind that this is fully reflected in the article - in describing the 2011 incident, the article does state that 'suspicions' were aroused (i.e. these were allegations that haven't been proven) and that 'no conclusive evidence could be found to implicate the four Israeli backpackers'. Therefore, far from being based on 'sensationalist newspaper reporting', the description of the 2004 and 2011 incidents involving Israeli spies and New Zealand passports is balanced and written from an objective, neutral point of view.
Bonus bon (talk) 13:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just deleted the second (Israeli spies (2011)) section. (a) There is no evidence that these guys were spies, (b) The text now said "Even after...the Israeli Secret Service (Mossad) was caught using New Zealand passports for covert activities" - yet no ref was provided for this allegation, and (c) There was no evidence that these guys did anything wrong. I have retained some text about the concerns (which were reasonable), and the refs. Snori (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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