Talk:Progressive Party (Iceland)

message: Who in earth put that framsókn is a liberal party? That is utterly wrong they are conservative and behave communist towards the free market such as blocking imports of foreign meat and paying all costs of farmers
:What you have to realize is that in English "liberal" can mean "left wing" as opposed to "right wing" in politics. And Framsóknarflokkurinn is in many respects more a leftist party than a right wing party. (They call themselves a middle party.) However, that's not to say that they aren't conservative in the non-political sense of the word. (What English speakers often take for granted, but shouldn't is that the conservative/liberal divide isn't really the same as the right/left dichotomy). But there you have it: terminalogical infelicities have a way of breeding conceptual confusion (to quote a philosopher). Bottom line: Framsóknarflokkurinn could be categorized as both liberal and conservative, but in case that's too confusing for English readers, it should probably be categorized as a liberal party. --D. Webb 22:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They used to be quite liberal. Or rather, they used to have a strong liberal faction. Since the crash, there's been a split in the party and the liberals have left, hence Bright Future.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.220.125.157 (talk) 01:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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message: Removing this as it is not true
Throughout Iceland's history as a self-governing and independent nation, the Progressive Party has most often been the second largest political party in the country
:But it is true, so I am reinserting it. Do a little research before you go making changes like this. --Bjarki 00:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butcer 

message: PP has always been a Populist party and had an "Iceland First" approach. It has increasingly gone Nationalist under the current leadership and Liberalism is no longer a dominant element in the party platform (it used to be more prevalent, but was always mixed with a populist approach). We need to agree on what to write and not necessarily use international descriptions from standard works as source - as they tend to be dated and focus on historical ideology. I would prefer to discuss what sort of sources we should use first - since the result would rely on that. Given that the party has moved ideologically, you could find diverging sources.--Batmacumba (talk) 03:54, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to respect and reference scholarly/academic references. Of course PP has changed, but that needed to be backed up with appropriate sources, while noting its Nordic agrarian/liberal roots.--Autospark (talk) 14:00, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We got two referendes from 1999, which are too dated to be useful and the Parties and Elections in Europe site, which says centrism and agrarianism - which is better than the current describtion. There is no conpetemorary source about liberlism, so it would be fair to remove that. I doubt a scholarly source from the last 6-7 years would mention Lliberalism. It is mostly a matter of whether we can use Icelandic sources, as they would be more up to date. Thre is the problem that a party never self describe as populist, but a populist approac to politics is one of the core elements of PP.--Batmacumba (talk) 23:15, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

text: "centrist, agrarian and historically Liberal" would be an improvement and would be fair based on the current sources. Then we can look for references to Nationalism and "populist approah to politics" (or similar).--Batmacumba (talk) 23:23, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

text: I think it's worth considering whether "populist" is still an apt descriptor. The current sources for it being populist are all (as far as I can tell) from prior to the foundation of the Centre Party, which is a splinter party from the Progressives lead by former Progressive leader Sigmundur Davíð. These sources also connect the populism of the Progressive party specifically to the leadership of Sigmundur Davíð. I would argue that the populist wing of the party has now migrated along with Sigmundur Davíð over to the Centre Party, although I would need to find sources supporting that. At the very least, because of these changes, the current sources cited don't really sufficiently support the claim that the Progressive Party is still populist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Margretarson (talk • contribs) 00:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
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message: @User:Autospark: Thanks for always finding sources! I also noticed that you moved "liberalism" to historical ideology. The party has definitely tilted right in recent years, but it is still a member of the Liberal International. Wouldn't be better to consider "liberalism" as one of current ideologies? --Checco (talk) 08:58, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, considering that it's referenced (albeit in slightly old sources), I think it's best to restore it to the Infobox as it was.--Autospark (talk) 21:50, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberalism