Talk:Provinces of Italy

message: Just as a sidenote, when you are a kid in Italian elementary school and they make you learn provinces, you are required to name the capoluogo di regione first, and then the other provinces in alphabetical order (e.g. Naples, Avellino, Benevento, Caserta, Salerno for Campania). There is nothing really wrong with the purely alphabetical order used on the page. You probably just might want to know 75.80.96.205 (talk) 07:31, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of provinces

message: #Support Giano | talk 20:55, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ciao giano, granted (long live Prussia :-) ) even if I think this quick poll is stupid and I do not respect it as something that brings much value - edit wars against majority are not my business. BTW: The last and only edit war here, was started by you ... if you all would have stepped in earlier ... On the other hand I would give no assurance for a counter-voting somewhere else. But anyway I will leave WP for a while or longer, so I will not initiate it. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 00:11, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: # [will not respect this voting because it is biased Tobias Conradi (Talk) 12:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: A more global debate on this subject is currently  taking place here:  Giano | talk 12:50, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Further debate

message: BTW, why are there three provinces with no articles? john k 05:47, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: maybe because some provinces are going to be created in the future Tobias Conradi 06:10, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing provinces

message: provinces marked by * need admin help if moved.
#Province of Chieti - Chieti Province - Chieti province - Chieti (province)*
#Province of L'Aquila - L'Aquila Province - L'Aquila province - L'Aquila (province)*
#Province of Pescara - Pescara Province - Pescara province - Pescara (province)*
#Province of Teramo - Teramo Province - Teramo province - Teramo (province)*
#Province of Matera - Matera Province - Matera province - Matera (province)*
#Province of Potenza - Potenza Province - Potenza province - Potenza (province)*
#Province of Catanzaro - Catanzaro Province - Catanzaro province - Catanzaro (province)
#Province of Cosenza - Cosenza Province - Cosenza province - Cosenza (province)
#Province of Crotone - Crotone Province - Crotone province - Crotone (province)
#Province of Reggio Calabria - Reggio Calabria Province - Reggio Calabria province - Reggio Calabria (province)
#Province of Vibo Valentia - Vibo Valentia Province - Vibo Valentia province - Vibo Valentia (province)
#Province of Avellino - Avellino Province - Avellino province - Avellino (province)
#Province of Benevento - Benevento Province - Benevento province - Benevento (province)*
#Province of Caserta - Caserta Province - Caserta province - Caserta (province)
#Province of Naples - Naples Province - Naples province - Naples (province)
#Province of Salerno - Salerno Province - Salerno province - Salerno (province)
#Province of Bologna - Bologna Province - Bologna province - Bologna (province)*
#Province of Ferrara - Ferrara Province - Ferrara province - Ferrara (province)*
#Province of Forli-Cesena - Forli-Cesena Province - Forli-Cesena province - Forli-Cesena (province)*
#Province of Modena - Modena Province - Modena province - Modena (province)*
#Province of Parma - Parma Province - Parma province - Parma (province)*
#Province of Piacenza - Piacenza Province - Piacenza province - Piacenza (province)*
#Province of Ravenna - Ravenna Province - Ravenna province - Ravenna (province)*
#Province of Reggio Emilia - Reggio Emilia Province - Reggio Emilia province - Reggio Emilia (province)*
#Province of Rimini - Rimini Province - Rimini province - Rimini (province)
#Province of Gorizia - Gorizia Province - Gorizia province - Gorizia (province)
#Province of Pordenone - Pordenone Province - Pordenone province - Pordenone (province)
#Province of Trieste - Trieste Province - Trieste province - Trieste (province)
#Province of Udine - Udine Province - Udine province - Udine (province)
#Province of Frosinone - Frosinone Province - Frosinone province - Frosinone (province)
#Province of Latina - Latina Province - Latina province - Latina (province)
#Province of Rieti - Rieti Province - Rieti province - Rieti (province)
#Province of Rome - Rome Province - Rome province - Rome (province)
#Province of Viterbo - Viterbo Province - Viterbo province - Viterbo (province)
#Province of Genoa - Genoa Province - Genoa province - Genoa (province)
#Province of Imperia - Imperia Province - Imperia province - Imperia (province)
#Province of La Spezia - La Spezia Province - La Spezia province - La Spezia (province)
#Province of Savona - Savona Province - Savona province - Savona (province)
#Province of Bergamo - Bergamo Province - Bergamo province - Bergamo (province)
#Province of Brescia - Brescia Province - Brescia province - Brescia (province)
#Province of Como - Como Province - Como province - Como (province)
#Province of Cremona - Cremona Province - Cremona province - Cremona (province)
#Province of Lecco - Lecco Province - Lecco province - Lecco (province)
#Province of Lodi - Lodi Province - Lodi province - Lodi (province)
#Province of Mantua - Mantua Province - Mantua province - Mantua (province)
#Province of Milan - Milan Province - Milan province - Milan (province)
#Province of Monza e Brianza - Monza e Brianza Province - Monza e Brianza province - Monza e Brianza (province)
#Province of Piacenza - Piacenza Province - Piacenza province - Piacenza (province)*
#Province of Pavia - Pavia Province - Pavia province - Pavia (province)
#Province of Sondrio - Sondrio Province - Sondrio province - Sondrio (province)
#Province of Varese - Varese Province - Varese province - Varese (province)
#Province of Ancona - Ancona Province - Ancona province - Ancona (province)*
#Province of Ascoli Piceno - Ascoli Piceno Province - Ascoli Piceno province - Ascoli Piceno (province)
#Province of Fermo - Fermo Province - Fermo province - Fermo (province)
#Province of Macerata - Macerata Province - Macerata province - Macerata (province)
#Province of Pesaro e Urbino - Pesaro e Urbino Province - Pesaro e Urbino province - Pesaro e Urbino (province)
#Province of Campobasso - Campobasso Province - Campobasso province - Campobasso (province)
#Province of Isernia - Isernia Province - Isernia province - Isernia (province)
#Province of Alessandria - Alessandria Province - Alessandria province - Alessandria (province)
#Province of Asti - Asti Province - Asti province - Asti (province)
#Province of Biella - Biella Province - Biella province - Biella (province)
#Province of Cuneo - Cuneo Province - Cuneo province - Cuneo (province)
#Province of Novara - Novara Province - Novara province - Novara (province)
#Province of Turin - Turin Province - Turin province - Turin (province)
#Province of Verbano-Cusio-Ossola - Verbano-Cusio-Ossola Province - Verbano-Cusio-Ossola province - Verbano-Cusio-Ossola (province)
#Province of Vercelli - Vercelli Province - Vercelli province - Vercelli (province)
#Province of Bari - Bari Province - Bari province - Bari (province)
#Province of Barletta-Andria-Trani - Barletta-Andria-Trani Province - Barletta-Andria-Trani province - Barletta-Andria-Trani (province)
#Province of Brindisi - Brindisi Province - Brindisi province - Brindisi (province)
#Province of Foggia - Foggia Province - Foggia province - Foggia (province)
#Province of Lecce - Lecce Province - Lecce province - Lecce (province)
#Province of Taranto - Taranto Province - Taranto province - Taranto (province)
#Province of Cagliari - Cagliari Province - Cagliari province - Cagliari (province)
#Province of Carbonia-Iglesias - Carbonia-Iglesias Province - Carbonia-Iglesias province - Carbonia-Iglesias (province)
#Province of Medio Campidano - Medio Campidano Province - Medio Campidano province - Medio Campidano (province)
#Province of Nuoro - Nuoro Province - Nuoro province - Nuoro (province)
#Province of Ogliastra - Ogliastra Province - Ogliastra province - Ogliastra (province)
#Province of Olbia-Tempio - Olbia-Tempio Province - Olbia-Tempio province - Olbia-Tempio (province)
#Province of Oristano - Oristano Province - Oristano province - Oristano (province)
#Province of Sassari - Sassari Province - Sassari province - Sassari (province)
#Province of Agrigento - Agrigento Province - Agrigento province - Agrigento (province)
#Province of Caltanissetta - Caltanissetta Province - Caltanissetta province - Caltanissetta (province)
#Province of Catania - Catania Province - Catania province - Catania (province)
#Province of Enna - Enna Province - Enna province - Enna (province)
#Province of Messina - Messina Province - Messina province - Messina (province)
#Province of Palermo - Palermo Province - Palermo province - Palermo (province)
#Province of Ragusa - Ragusa Province - Ragusa province - Ragusa (province)
#Province of Siracusa - Siracusa Province - Siracusa province - Siracusa (province)
#Province of Trapani - Trapani Province - Trapani province - Trapani (province)*
#Province of Arezzo - Arezzo Province - Arezzo province - Arezzo (province)
#Province of Florence - Florence Province - Florence province - Florence (province)
#Province of Grosseto - Grosseto Province - Grosseto province - Grosseto (province)
#Province of Livorno - Livorno Province - Livorno province - Livorno (province)
#Province of Lucca - Lucca Province - Lucca province - Lucca (province)
#Province of Massa-Carrara - Massa-Carrara Province - Massa-Carrara province - Massa-Carrara (province)
#Province of Pisa - Pisa Province - Pisa province - Pisa (province)
#Province of Pistoia - Pistoia Province - Pistoia province - Pistoia (province)
#Province of Prato - Prato Province - Prato province - Prato (province)
#Province of Siena - Siena Province - Siena province - Siena (province)
#Province of Perugia - Perugia Province - Perugia province - Perugia (province)
#Province of Terni - Terni Province - Terni province - Terni (province)
#Province of Padua - Padua Province - Padua province - Padua (province)
#Province of Rovigo - Rovigo Province - Rovigo province - Rovigo (province)
#Province of Treviso - Treviso Province - Treviso province - Treviso (province)
#Province of Venice - Venice Province - Venice province - Venice (province)
#Province of Verona - Verona Province - Verona province - Verona (province)
#Province of Vicenza - Vicenza Province - Vicenza province - Vicenza (province)*
I have reverted most of the provinces back to their correct naming which is "Province of X" (one or two remain as they need admin help to move) I am unsure what the above "worksheet" refers too, can it now be deleted, or is it of some relevance to anyone? Giano | talk 21:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Worksheet

message: The Provinces of Veneto thumbnail map does not display properly although the full-size map does. Any ideas? Nunquam Dormio 12:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Provinces of Veneto thumbnail map 

message: There would appear to be standard abbreviations for the various provinces, used for instance in postal addresses. For instance Lucca province is LC. Could someone add these?
--rossb 13:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard abbreviations 

message: For one, how can the provinces be listed as South Tyrol and Trento.  The provinces are Bolzano-Bozen and Trento.  How did we come up now with the Province of South Tyrol??  This is like changing the name of a State in the USA. Taalo 21:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I appreciate that you live in the region, please realize a few things. First, this is an English wiki article, and thus this shows the English name of the province (i.e. Tuscany) and the Italian name (i.e. Toscana). The English name of that region is Trentino-South Tyrol. It even states this in the main article. To keep fluency with the main article, this will remain as such until the main article reflects the change through consensus. If you have a website for us to go to, for example, that shows the English equivalent, we will be happy to see this. Same with the name for Trentino. Please assume good faith and don't take offense to this. Thank you! Rarelibra 01:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Rarelibra, I think you have really missed the point.  I am stating that in this region there are two provinces:  the Province of Trento (TN) and the Province of Bolzano/Bozen (BZ).  This is without question.  These two provinces are named after the major cities, as is common in Italy.  There is no Province called South Tyrol, Sudtirol, Alto Adige, etc.  Do you follow?  I have posted quite a few pages on your talk page that show what the provinces of Italy are.  Better yet, I'd like to see someone post some websites that list the provinces of Italy and show South Tyrol instead of Bolzano/Bozen.  This would be entertaining. :) take care. Taalo 02:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's time to bring out sources here.  Taalo's contention seems most plausible, though, in that Italian provinces are generally named for their capital - I can't think of any exceptions to this. john k 03:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  john k, if you havn't already, can you make some comments on the discussions going on at South Tyrol (aka the Province of Bolzano/Bozen) and Trentino-South Tyrol (aka Trentino-Alto Adige.  Some neutral feedback would really be appreciated.  Thank you. Taalo 20:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Taalo, you're quite right. Pity this is such a sensitive issue, and a pity that they chose a confusing name for the Regione, building it out of two parts, just like the region is comprised of two provinces; however, since they used the name of the one province and added to that another name, which is not the name of the other province, confusion is easily born. 130.37.61.52 16:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trentino-Alto Adige/Suditirol, etc.

message: Because I know that WP is based on references, I have found these (which I think should be cited on this page, as well as others). http://www.countriesandcities.com, where they actually have the correct English usage for the regions: http://www.countriesandcities.com/countries/it/regions.htm, and the provinces: http://www.countriesandcities.com/countries/it/provinces.htm  Note that where there is an English translation availble: Naples (Napoli), Venice (Venezia), the English is used.  It should be noted there is no English translation of places like Trento and Bolzano (or the German Bozen).  Definitely the translation of the Province of Bolzano-Bozen is not South Tyrol.  Actually it makes no sense at all considering the region is referred to in German as Sudtirol, and the city/province as Bozen.  So where South Tyrol can now become a province of Italy.  Man, I'm confused just explaining this. heh.  Also note that in the majority of English references (check out the CIA factbook, etc.) the region is called Trentino-Alto Adige.  But to be fair to how things are actually done in the region (bilingual), it should be Trentino-Alto Adige/Sudtirol, just as Bolzano should be Bolzano-Bozen. Taalo 03:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regions and Provinces

message: I'm not so good at html myself, but I think the individual regions with their provinces might be best off in a table. I enlarged the maps somewhat today, hoping at least something can be read on them, but if that doesn't fit the table, maybe they should be scaled back again. 130.37.61.52 16:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Two-column table?

message: I've watched the Bozen-South Tyrol--Bolzano edit war for the last two months, and I'd like like to ask both User:Rarelibra and User:Supparluca to voluntarily take a break from editing this article (and any related articles) for a while. I'm not an expert on Italian political geography and have no opinion on this topic, but the continual reverts aren't productive.  So if you'd both agree to take a bit of a break perhaps we can find someone with a bit of knowledge in this area or get the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal to resolve this dispute. --NormanEinstein 01:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is one that won't seem to be solved. The region name was recently solved, including the much-needed "Alto Adige" to be included with the "South Tyrol" name. Supparluca (and others) don't like the "South Tyrol" name and wish to change it to "Bolzano". However, more recently I found that the official provincial name convention is "Bozen-South Tyrol" in English, which is proper usage similar to the proper usage decided upon for the region. Supparluca's attempts to change it to "Bolzano" were incorrected stated in attempts to justify it as being the "capital city name" when the names are actually the PROVINCE names, shortened past the pipe. The proper name is "Bozen-South Tyrol". If Supparluca (and others) do not like this, then they need to keep it as simply "South Tyrol" instead of lame attempts at justifying an incorrect change. Rarelibra 01:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you to read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), and please assume good faith. If you will move Bolzano to Bozen I will absolutely agree with the use of the name "Bozen" in this article.--Supparluca 20:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not very kind to offend people who try to counter vandalism (well, it's not kind to offend people in general). And, by the way, I agree with you that it would be better to have more people involved in this dispute. If, for example, you want to contribute, you just have to read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names).--Supparluca 19:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The real name of that link is "South Tyrol". It should probably stay that way, instead of having your insistent need to put in incorrect naming. Rarelibra 19:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And you Supparluca need to stop calling other users edits "vandalism". I have already asked you a question on your talk page why you have removed content information on the article South Tyrol that had clear external references, I would appreciate to hear your thoughts on this. sincerely Gryffindor 09:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ?? What's my talk page got to do with this? By the way I answered to you, though you will see that what I wrote was pretty obvious (=an answer wasn't necessary).--Supparluca 17:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bozen-South Tyrol--Bolzano edit war 

message: The slow edit war must stop. I see there has been at least one pair of reverts per day for many days or even weeks. This is disruptive and may be met with blocks. Please nobody think that 3RR entitles you to one or two reverts per day like this.
Everybody: Stop. it. now. Any further continuation of this sterile revert war will be met with blocks. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Can we put the name chosen by consensus on the Bolzano talk page (that is, Bolzano)?--Supparluca 19:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NO. The link name is to South Tyrol. There has not been a consensus to change it any different, therefore it stays as it is (which is the official name of the province, in English, from the province website). Bolzano is the name of the capital city - which you, Supparluca, are confusing with the PROVINCE links on the page. Rarelibra 14:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Block warning

message: It seems from this document from the Italian Parliament that the Province of Aosta ceased to exist in 1945 (). So I completed the relevant part with a reference to this piece of information. --Adriano 15:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hope that in the Aosta Valley could split into two provinces in the future (might be possibly in progress). Johnluisocasio (talk) 22:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the current trend in Europe is for everything to separate down to finally city states.  boh..  o_O Icsunonove (talk) 19:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aosta province? 

message: Howdy Rarelibra, you said "not vandalism - first, you CANNOT link to a redirect, the proper link is "South Tyrol", second, I provide an official, proper reference citation - therefore, you are violating wiki by removing it".  I don't believe there is a policy against linking to a redirect, is there?  Also, you were actually removing my own proper reference(s), so you are also violating wiki by removing them, no?  I will add your reference, but there has been basically no editor that agrees with using Province of Bozen-South Tyrol.  Note even on the provincial website it shows Province of Bolzano/Bozen on the main page.  Relax a bit dude :) Icsunonove 17:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, actually we are not supposed to link to redirects. It's fundamental. BTW, your refs are still there, along with mine. So I didn't remove anything - just corrected 1) the link and 2) the naming to the properly translated English name, per the official provincial website. The fact that you spend all this time stubbornly refusing to accept this is not my problem. I came into this whole thing because of you - and have since educated myself with various resources and references. The name - like it or not - includes "South Tyrol" in English. And according to wiki policy, with the 'popular' name being the one promoted, "South Tyrol" is quite popular. So, unfortunately, I see the other side of things now (if there has to be 'sides'). I'm not stressed, other than the fact that this continues with efforts rather than having people accept things peacefully and move on to better editing. Rarelibra 18:09, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, you can at least say we are both stubbornly refusing.  I have had little time unfortunately to spend on Wikipedia for this year so my refusing has been limited as well. Do you consider though that the naming you want to use really has no support amongst other editors?  It is always good to do that sort of self-reflecting, even if you think you are just 'being bold'. :)  I'm glad you have educated yourself, and I'd like to know what you have learned (on my talk page).  The way I see it, in English there is common usage of Alto Adige, South Tyrol, and Bolzano.  The provinces name is officially something like Province of BZ, though the provincial website likes to append the regional name for some reason or another.  It isn't the official name though, like it or not.  If you go to the State of Virginia website and see State of Virginia - Virginia is for Lovers on everything, don't go and make a bunch of changes, ok? :-)  Hope all is well. Icsunonove 18:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems fully acceptable now (the new addition) - covers all grounds, I guess. Rarelibra 18:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war 

message: Hello,
Just curious, personal knowledge seeking, from what I am reading, would I be correct in interperting an Italian Province like it would be the equivalent of a county in the US or Canada?
(In North America we are for the most part divided up into Country, "State/Province", "County", City. We have "elected" governements at each of these levels, however many "States/Provinces" also have some sort of administrative "regions" that exist. It could be "Metropolitan Areas" that are composed of many counties, or it could be geographic subdivisions within the state. Most of these "regions" have governments that are not directly elected by the people, either appointed by the state/region or composed of elected officials from the constituent counties/cities.) 
Thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnQuébécois (talk • contribs) 15:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equivalents 

message: This article says:
:A province is composed of many municipalities (comune), and usually several provinces form a region. The regions of Aosta Valley, Basilicata, Molise, Umbria are the only exception being the province coincident with the region.
No disagreement on Aosta Valley, but our articles Basilicata, Molise and Umbria all indicate that their region has multiple provinces. I've added a cite needed template, as either this article is wrong, or they are, and we need to correct one or other. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 21:13, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is going to be true since 2014, when all Italian provinces will be reorganized. The situation is very confused right now, it's not really clear which provinces will be abolished or merged or will stay the same... I think the best thing to do is just wait until the new provincial organization become clear. --Ita140188 (talk) 15:39, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That legislation is in some doubt, if I recall. Anyway, the current position is that that mentioned regions are split into provinces. You can see this from the list in the main body of the article. mgSH 16:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there really only one province in the regions of [[Basilicata]], [[Molise]] and [[Umbria]] 

message: Provinces in Sicily have not been abolished, it's just a proposal, see , and Sardinia still have its provinces as of March 2013. --Ita140188 (talk) 17:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abolished provinces? 

message: The reorganizaton proposal of 2012 has not been converted into law, so the whole section is pointless. I propose it is removed from the page. --Gspinoza (talk) 13:40, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  After 2014 section no more true 

message: As of 1.1.2017, there is a new province: South Sardegna. This needs some work  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masonmilan (talk • contribs) 14:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New 2017 province 

message: In the list of provinces, the first column is "Type" and each province has a letter.  It looks like most are "O", but there's also "F" and "A" and a small number of others.  What do they mean?  It isn't referenced anywhere else in the article.
Bzzzing (talk) 02:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: They are active links: the explanation appears when you move the pointer over it. --LukeWiller (talk) 12:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Strangely, these terms aren't defined anywhere on Wikipedia. What is the difference between an "Ordinary province", "Autonomous province", "Regional Decentralization entity", and  "Free Municipal Consortia"?  I have no idea, and there are no Wikipedia articles on those terms either.  This is something that really should be addressed in this article. Bzzzing (talk) 06:48, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you, this is information that should be included in the article. Maybe it should translate :it:Province d'Italia#Organi. --LukeWiller (talk) 12:24, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  --LukeWiller (talk) 15:23, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does "Type" mean in the list of provinces?