Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Archive 5

message: commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Money of various countries --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is no-one saying to keep all of the Australian coins, I work on those articles, i hope the images dont get deleted IAmTheCoinMan 07:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defend!! 

message: We got another article on the front page, hip hip hor...ay? Funny thing is that on this projects main page it says:" Improve to GA: Dime (United States coin) " That articles on the front page, might wanna update it ay.IAmTheCoinMan 07:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yay!

message: Could somebody take a look at Gallery of Canadian banknotes? It seems that virtually all images have been deleted since somebody got the bad idea to upload them to Commons and then delete the local copies here. Commons has - not surprisingly - deleted these images again as copyvios. An admin might be able to restore the local copies, but the images would still have to be retagged. Regards. Valentinian T / C 09:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery of Canadian banknotes is bust 

message: Anyone want to deal with Argentine sol, Bolivian sol, and sole (currency)? It looks like sole needs to be deleted, but I don't really know, and don't really want to mess with it either. Ingrid 22:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be deleted. “Sole” was never the spelling of the currency. – Zntrip 04:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  sol vs. sole 

message: It has been brought to my attention that some postal orders have been declared legal tender during certain periods. Postal orders generally seem to be clearly exonumia. Legal tender is definitely numismatics. Generally, I've tried to avoid double-tagging anything. In this case, I can't see a better way to handle it. Anyone else have an idea? Ingrid 04:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Postal orders (numis or exon) 

message: Is there an article that deals specifically with emergency currency? --Charlene 07:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so far as I know. If you look above, you'll see that I think we should have a category for complementary currency which I think is similar. I haven't created the category or found the articles yet though. alternative currency and exonumia in general are not well organized in my opinion, and could use some work. Ingrid 16:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New and wondering about something

message: A move has been proposed.  Talk:Philippine piso#Requested move. -Will Beback · † · 20:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move: Philippine piso to Philippiine peso

message: I removed reference to ISO 4217 at Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Style. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ISO 4217 in style guide 

message: A was thinking of starting a new article entitled 'Medalet' (i.e. a small medal) as there isn't one at the moment. The only thing that puts me off is the fact that it would be more like a dictionary entry and not really an encyclopædic article. Another thing, Dictionary.com as well as some other online dictionaries spell it with a single 'l', yet there are more Google hits with a double 'l'. I am inclined to think that this must be a American and British English spelling difference. Chris Buttigieg 15:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You should try over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals.  Joe I 05:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Medalet

message: I created a list of currencies in my userspace which doesn't include the countries where the currencies are used, and consistently follows our style guide, even when the pages don't (done with | so related changes will work). It also has links to the templates and disambig pages. It uses all local forms of a currency name (when I could figure them out). It's at User:Mom2jandk/List of currencies feel free to use it. I added it to the navigation template as another watchlist. If anyone wanted to, they could also use it to identify pages that are at the wrong spot (to create a list of exceptions for the style guide, or to move pages -- I am not getting involved in page name issues anymore). Ingrid 02:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currencies watchlist 

message: There's a discussion over the naming of "Israeli lira" or "Israeli pound". See Talk:Israeli lira#Requested move. -Will Beback · † · 05:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Israeli currency

message: See  and you'll know. SIGH!! --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive deletion of euro images on commons 

message: Octopus card is now substantially cleaned-up and it's almost ready for GA nomination.  But several statements still need citations and I was not able to find sources for them.  Please see the article's talk page for details and help find some sources.  If sources are not found in a week or two, I'll be removing or modifying those statements so I can nominate the article for GA.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the remaining statements for which no sources were found, and have the article for GA status.  Please re-insert the statements I deleted if sources are found.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Octopus card]] almost ready for GA nomination 

message: I've done some updating to this page, and would like to see about making it a good article, or maybe even featured (although I don't know if there's any restriction on obscure topics). Anyway, I'd appreciate it if some of you would take a look and let me know what you think. I haven't updated the coin or banknote sections yet, and have some questions about how to proceed.
* The standard coin table includes a lot of detailed information that I don't have access to (exact size and composition). Also, I don't have photo for everything. Is it better to have a line for each coin with some images missing? How should I format the table when all I know is basically image/value/description/dates issued (just dates that show on the coins). I've got the SCWC, so it's whatever I can get from there.
* The only examples I've seen of coin tables have only one series (I'm not sure what word to use for one set of designs). What do I do if there are multiple series'
* Same questions for banknotes, only I don't have a catalog, so I'm working basically from Ron Wise's site.
Ingrid 02:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  peer review of [[East African shilling]] please 

message: I am here to inform you that the article on money has just been selected as the Good Article Collaboration of the week. This is one of the most important articles in Wikipedia, and certainly of utmost importance within the topical scope of this WikiProject, but unfortunately it is in a very poor state as of now. The selection for COTW makes for a good occassion for a concerted effort to improve it, and I am really counting on the members of WikiProject Numismatics, with your knowledge and expertise in the field, to help other users involved bring it at least to Good Article standards. In particular, I hope you could provide some gravely needed sources, as well as help to make sure the material aspects of money are sufficiently covered by the article. PrinceGloria 17:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Money]] is this week's [[WP:GACo]] - your help is needed! 

message: Go here and search for BetacommandBot. (you might want to show more days/changes than the default.) --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't get it. What are you saying? IAmTheCoinMan 08:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image deletion again 

message: Currently there is no explicit style guide for this. It's usually by redenomination, coin v.s note, and series. What am I talking about?
===Style 1 (Dove1950's style)===
* History/coins/banknotes
** Redenomination
*** Series
e.g.
History
Old dinar
...
Coins
Old dinar
1980 series
New dinar
1 new dinar = 1000 old dinara
1995 series
2003 series
Banknotes
....
Example: Yugoslav dinar
Pros: Suitable to people who only care about banknotes, or only coins.
Cons: Historical context is scattered across the articles. If I want to know what happened around 1980, I have to reference three places.
===Style 2===
* Redenomination
** Background/coins/banknotes
*** Series
e.g. Uzbekistani som
Some weird hybrid of style 1 and 3.
===Style 3===
* Redenomination
** Series
*** Coins/banknotes
e.g. Renminbi
Pros: Readers get to know what happened to both the coins and banknotes at a certain time in history w/o referencing two different places in the article. (This is more a renminbi specific structure. Both the central bank and the collectors structure their data, or mindset like this.)
Cons: In many currencies, updates of coins and banknotes are not synchronous
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Which one do you think is better? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's hard to make a general case. When there's a redenomination, I think it definitely belongs in a separate section, since it's basically creating a new currency (and in some cases we create a new article -- Turkish lira and Turkish new lira). For a redesign, it's harder to say, and probably depends on the circumstances. Since coins and banknotes are not all redesigned at the same time, I think it's going to depend on the situation. Generally, I like having the top-level split be coins vs. banknotes, since that's how my interest is split. But then, when a redesign happens because of a change of monarch, all the coins change at the same time (do the notes generally too? I don't know). To take the US as an example though, we seem to change one coin/bill at a time, so there's no logical split of designs. Ingrid 16:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currency article section hierarchy (history, coins, and banknotes) 

message: * Redenomination
** Series
*** Coins/banknotes
e.g. Renminbi
Pros: Readers get to know what happened to both the coins and banknotes at a certain time in history w/o referencing two different places in the article. (This is more a renminbi specific structure. Both the central bank and the collectors structure their data, or mindset like this.)
Cons: In many currencies, updates of coins and banknotes are not synchronous
----
Which one do you think is better? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's hard to make a general case. When there's a redenomination, I think it definitely belongs in a separate section, since it's basically creating a new currency (and in some cases we create a new article -- Turkish lira and Turkish new lira). For a redesign, it's harder to say, and probably depends on the circumstances. Since coins and banknotes are not all redesigned at the same time, I think it's going to depend on the situation. Generally, I like having the top-level split be coins vs. banknotes, since that's how my interest is split. But then, when a redesign happens because of a change of monarch, all the coins change at the same time (do the notes generally too? I don't know). To take the US as an example though, we seem to change one coin/bill at a time, so there's no logical split of designs. Ingrid 16:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Style 3

message: In an effort to make it easier to cite references, I've created some utility templates. So far, there's  you give it a date parameter for your edition of The Standard Catalog of World Coins, and it puts in a formatted reference. Only a few dates are supported so far, but feel free to update it (or ask me). There's also  for citing the Tables of Modern Monetary History at http://www.dollarization.org. You just put in the region and it fills in all the details. I've used these at East African shilling. I also plan to create one for the SCWPM (Standard Catalog of World Paper Money) and GFD (Global Financial Data) at least. Ingrid 16:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job!! The next thing to do is to backfill the references added by Dove1950 since circa 3/27. At random poking, I believe this edit is pretty close to when he started doing this. Another to-do is to create another one for SCWPM, and add more editions to them. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing sources 

message: Alright, Octopus card has passed its GA nomination.  The first step to bringing that article back to FA status has been accomplished.  I may not get to it right away, but what I plan to do next is:
#Create stub articles for the red links in the article.
#Request a peer review.
#Nominate for FAC.
Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Octopus card passed GA 

message: GBP lists £5 as a rarely used British coin.  On the £5 page it says that the coin only exists in the form of various commemorative coins.  Shall all commemorative coin denominations be added to the "rarely used coins" section in the infoboxes, as long as the commemorative coins remain legal tender?  All Swedish commemorative coins issued since 1873 remain legal tender, and commemorative coins have been issued in the values of 1 SEK, 2 SEK, 5 SEK, 10 SEK, 50 SEK, 100 SEK, 200 SEK, 1000 SEK and 2000 SEK.  See  for more information.
Out of these denominations, only 1, 2, 5 and 10 SEK exist as normal coins (with 2 SEK being legal tender but extremely rare, not having been minted for decates).  You will never see any of the coins in circulation (because they are kept by collectors), but they are still legal tender and you won't see any £5 coins in circulation either.  So the question is if 50 SEK, 100 SEK, 200 SEK, 1000 SEK and 2000 SEK shall be added to the list of rarely used coins for SEK. (Stefan2 19:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm more inclined to list only the denominations intended for general circulation and still being produced. So it will go up to 10 SEK and 2 GBP. If 2 SEK is no longer produced since 1971, then I believe it's not even qualified for "rarely". --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rarely used coins -- commemorative coins? 

message: The presentation of banknote articles leaves a lot to be desired, especially in the cases of where a country has had more than one banknote issuer, or where an issuer issued banknotes for more than one country.
For example, the Republic of Ireland has had 3 issuers that were empowered to issue banknotes by successive Irish governments since 1928 - the Currency Commission Irish Free State, Currency Commission Ireland, and the Central Bank of Ireland.
On the isle of Ireland, there has been two banknote issuers both named Ulster Bank Limited, the articles Banknotes of Ulster Bank Limited (Ireland) and Banknotes of Ulster Bank Limited (Northern Ireland) should be created, and the catalogue numbers from the Pick catalogues should also be used as well.
The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation issued banknotes for the Straits Settlements as well as for Hong Kong, therefore, the articles Banknotes of the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation (Hong Kong) and Banknotes of the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation (Straits Settlements) should also be created as well.
In Northern Ireland, there has been several banknote issuers that do not have 'Northern Ireland' in their title. The articles Banknotes of the Bank of Ireland (Northern Ireland), Banknotes of the Provincial Bank of Ireland Limited (Northern Ireland), Banknotes of Allied Irish Banks Limited (Northern Ireland), and Banknotes of the First Trust Bank Limited (Northern Ireland) should also be created.
In the Isle of Man, there was also a few banknote-issuing institutions as well. The articles Banknotes of Martins Bank Limited (Isle of Man) and Banknotes of the Isle of Man Government should be created as well.
In Wales in 1969, banknotes were issued by a company called the Chief Treasury of Wales Limited. This issuer was forced to change its name to the Black Sheep Company of Wales Limited. The articles Banknotes of the Black Sheep Company of Wales Limited and Banknotes of the Chief Treasury of Wales Limited should also be created.
In Scotland, the British Linen Bank, the Clydesdale Bank Limited, and Clydesdale Bank Plc all issued banknotes. As none of these issuers have 'Scotland' in their names, the articles Banknotes of the British Linen Bank (Scotland), Banknotes of the Clydesdale Bank Limited (Scotland), and Banknotes of the Clydesdale Bank Plc (Scotland) should also be created.
Both the British Armed Forces and the British Military Authority also issued banknotes, so the articles Banknotes of the British Armed Forces and Banknotes of the British Military Authority should also be created as well. - (203.211.76.52 22:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Presentation of [[banknote]] articles

message: There are inconsistencies between redirects of the form "$n" where "$" is a currency symbol and "n" is a number.
Following a discussion around £ at , I suggest copying what User:Chochopk has done at  and standardise redirects across all currency symbols.
Shall I create a project subpage to do this, with a big table on it? -- Chris Wood 10:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like a one-time clean up. Perhaps a user subpage would be enough? If you create one, I will help. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standardising currency symbols redirects 

message: See my comments at WP:AN#BetacommandBot and Fair use. I'm not sure how to respond. It looks like fair use imagse of coins/banknotes will not be accepted unless we can say that they are "needed" in the article (beyond what I've already put in the rationale, "Text descriptions of coins are helpful, but cannot replace a picture"). Most of our images are fair use, so this is important if we want to have images in articles. Any ideas? Ingrid 02:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's been an ongoing crackdown (like the Iraqi sugre) on fair use images... it kinda sucks and there's nothing anyone can do about it. 21:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It gets worse. Betacommand replied to me that unless the text is restructured to be prose form (not table) and discuss the significance of the design elements on the coin and how they've changed over time, fair use can't be justified. It's only one opinion, but I don't have the mental energy to argue about it. So, it sounds like most fair use images in most of our articles are not going to be accepted. Ingrid 22:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I know what you mean, all the discography pages (i.e. The Beatles discography, which is a very nice page) had the album art removed. All this fair use rationale stuff is so confusing. No main page is cited that states what Wikipedia's or the Wikimedia Foundation's policy is regarding fair use image in tables and lists. So I can't argue with all these people saying it can't be done. The stupid thing is all the polcy stuff I find is too ambiguous (i.e. it must enhance so and so). Another thing is that coins and banknotes are all public domain anyway and the scaned images can't be copyrighted. My advice is let the images be removed, resistance is futile. – Zntrip 01:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I share the same sentiment. I don't really want to talk to Betacommand. Let the images die or join to the dark side. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fair use images 

message: I have improved Postal currency as part of the Philately WikiProject but as this is a crossover topic, would someone from this project look it over and at least add an appropriate Numismatic category and if possible add some links to it from elsewhere. If you can improve it in any way, by all means do that too. Thanks ww2censor 15:20, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Postal currency

message: Hi,
I'm slightly concerned that a few (a minority I might add) of the banknotes images on Wikipedia
are not marked in a manner as to render them 'Specimen' and thus useless to potential counterfeiters.
I would like therefore to suggest that banknote images uploaded (under fair use)
to Wikipedia should be marked "Specimen" in some way UNLESS the image is officaly
sourced such as from a recognised central banks website.
I've already left what I belive to be friendly comments on uploader talk pages on this,
the wording being that of the  template.
ShakespeareFan00 11:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I agree with you; that would seem the most logical thing to do. Chris Buttigiegtalk 21:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of current banknotes should be marked specimen (unless officaly sourced)? 

message: Just kidding. Found this: Ghana Cedi or Ghanaian Cedi?. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 09:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming convention (not again~) 

message: This may have been asked before, but everytime I write an article which includes a currency figure, I wondered if it will ever be technically possible for us to simply link the currency symbol and figure, and it will change to a local currency or any currency the user chooses as his default currency, somewhat like the way dates may appear depending on user preferences. I am not too technically-inclined, but just wondering? Hope to hear some responses from those in the know!--Huaiwei 14:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Automated currency conversion?

message: Are they the same, or can an analogy be drawn? Chris Buttigieg 15:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coin press vs Coin die 

message: I found this coin some time ago but I never cared about it . Does anyone think it is an error coin?Errorcoin.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bewareofdog (talk • contribs) 03:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: I have proposed merging two overlapping articles, American currency union and North American monetary union. As of now, there is no opposition to the merger. However, I do not know enough about the subjects to do justice to merging them together, and would like to request help from other editors more familiar with the subject. Feel free to weigh in on the subject of the merger till it closes, whatever your view may be. Thanks. - BillCJ 18:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Help with merger

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of world commemorative coins. I'm more inclined to vote for delete, since all the "Commemorative coins of ..." articles are in disarray, and "List of world commemorative coins" is the culmination of all. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 09:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of world commemorative coins]] raised for AfD 

message: I believe very strongly that the naming convention that has been adopted for banknote and coin related articles suck. The common practice that is used by numismatists is Banknotes of Somaliland or Coins of the South African Republic. I reckon that the current naming policy should be done away with. Your views please. - (Numismaticman 22:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. However the current naming convention probably helps avoid ambiguity - what differentiates the current banknotes of Somaliland with the banknotes of a former currency of Somaliland (hypothetically speaking)? Chris.B 22:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The naming convention of banknote and coin articles suck.

message: I believe that separate articles should be created where a country has had more than one issuer. If the country concerned has an issuer that does not mention the country concerned in their name, please put the country's name in brackets, as in Banknotes of the Swakopmund Bookshop (South West Africa) or Banknotes of the British Linen Bank (Scotland). Pick catalogue numbers should be included. Denominations within the article must start with a capital letter, just like in the Pick catalogues. - (Numismaticman 22:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Banknote articles for countries that have had more than one issuer

message: I reckon that articles should be created in a similar way as above. The Bank of Ireland has issued banknotes for both Ireland and Northern Ireland, so articles titled Banknotes of the Bank of Ireland (Ireland) and Banknotes of the Bank of Ireland (Northern Ireland) should be created. A similar situation applies to the banknotes that were issued by the Bank of Montreal, which issued banknotes for both Lower Canada and Quebec - Banknotes of the Bank of Montreal (Lower Canada) and Banknotes of the Bank of Montreal (Quebec). - (Numismaticman 22:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Banknote articles for issuers that have issued banknotes for more than one country

message: The Julius Caesar article contradicts itself about the denarius carrying Caesar's portrait struck in 44 BC. (This contradiction has been in place for months). It is stated that this was the first Roman coin to carry the portrait of a living person, and hence a source of controversy. Later in the article this is expressly denied. There was an inconclusive discussion  at Talk: Julius Caesar#Image on coins that did not result in the any changes to the article. I hope someone on this wikiproject has access to a reliable source that can sort this mess out! Thanks in advance. PaddyLeahy 11:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed at Julius Caesar 

message: I just noticed that User:Numismaticman has been creating many articles of this flavor (see :Category:Banknotes and :Category:Numismatics). But they end up to be many small articles like Banknote of Alderney and Banknote of Ambliara. And I don't see much room for expansion. Normally, we create a currency article. Only if things get large, then we fork off "banknotes of ..." and "coins of ...".
And I disagree that denominations must be capitalized. They are not proper nouns. And units like meter and gram are not capitalized either. Even volt, a unit named after a person, is not capitalized. So shall we move "Postal Orders of ..." to "Postal oders of ..."? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ChoChoPK, I've sent you an email about this, please make sure it doesn't end up in your spam folder. Posting the contents here would not be appropriate. Bobby I'm Here, Are You There? 04:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the first article should go under the Guernsey pound, and the next should go under the Indian rupee or a seperate article. The name of the second article should be something like Princley states or Independant states of India currency, as some issues were to short or with little information. As with the noun thing, wouldn't a proper noun be the Indian Rupee, as India is a proper noun and rupee is a common noun, both words are also important as an identifier and nouns. We should consult and expert on the noun situation. Enlil Ninlil 04:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

text: And because Alderney does have an independent numismatic history, I see no problem putting this one and only one banknote in Alderney pound. My point is not about having a separate article for Alderney's numismatics content. My point is where to place it and how to organize these articles. Again, currency first (e.g. Ambliaran paise or Ambliaran rupee), and only if things get large, fork off banknote and coins. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 07:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At present, Banknote of Alderney is not linked from Alderney pound, making it very difficult to reach. It strikes me that a much more useful scenario would be to incorporate the one Alderney banknote into Alderney pound as part of a general expansion of this article. As to Ambliara, I'm pretty sure that the single note is the only numismatic issue from that state, at least since 1801 (which is when my coin catalogue starts). Consequently, any article is going to be short. Nonetheless, I again think Ambliara rupee is the way to go due to the greater ease with which such an article can be found. In general, any numismatic article ought to be linked to and from the relevant currency articles.Dove1950 10:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent addition of "banknotes of ..." and "postal orders of ..." articles 

message: It has been an established guide line at Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Style. Just because the standard catalog does it in some way, doesn't mean we have to. The catalog also splits into 2 volumes, before and after 1960. Does that mean we need to structure Wikipedia article like that too? Look at these news articles, the word dollar is not capitalized in a sentence.
* The Economist
* BBC News
* New York Times
As I have said, currency units are not proper nouns. And units like meter and gram are not capitalized either. Even volt, a unit named after a person, is not capitalized. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do not capitalize currency units 

message: I believe that all general numismatic articles should be written using the information that in in these two books, including the catalogue numbers, plus there should be freedom for cross-reference with other catalogue numbering systems. The currency units SHOULD be capitalised in these articles, as that is the way that it is done by the major numismatic cataloguers such as Charlton Press and Krause Publications. Here's 2 examples; Banknotes of the African Banking Corporation Limited (Rhodesia) and Banknotes of Hyderabad.
The Online Krause and Pick catalogues should be created here as a resource for collectors who are unable to afford to buy the full catalogues themselves. What do you think? - (Numismaticman 07:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not an online standard numismatic catalog. If you want to contribute like there, there are specialized wiki such as http://banknotewiki.com/ (even though people are spamming it with unrelated ads). But you're already contributing to that. There are rules and common understanding on Wikipedia. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 07:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Chochopk there, although I do think that applicable numismatic articles should note, where possible, the catalogue numbers of reputable catalogues. Nevertheless, wholly transforming Wikipedia into an online catalogue is contrary to what Wikipedia is, and arguably copyright infringement. -- Chris B • talk • contribs 14:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Chochopk and Chris.B.  There is no basis for adding catalogue numbers.  What purpose would this serve?  Wikipedia is not a guide and there is otherwise no relevant reason to do so.  And  I have a question what do you mean by “currency unit”?  Do you mean dollar, pound, yen, etc.? – Zntrip 23:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While I don't mind giving reference of a standard catalog number, I do object making everything "as catalog". If you ask me, there is a better system than the catalog. It's all outlined at Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Style/Currency article. And evolve to what? I don't see a meteor waiting to strike Wikipedia's server if we fail to make it like a certain standard catalog. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 08:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Online [[Standard Catalog of World Coins]] and [[Standard Catalog of World Paper Money]]

message: Please see here. – Zntrip 05:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll at “list of  circulating currencies” 

message: I just scanned a picture of a Winnipeg centennial dollar I have in my collection. I want to upload it, as it is missing from The only gallery which references it. However, I do not wish it to be deleted for copyright issues. How do I upload it correctly so that it is not removed? AbstractApproach 23:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Question 

message: This user has started editing many US coin articles. Some looks like vandalism. Others I am not so sure about.
; What looks like vandalism
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But I don't have the adequate references to validate all edits. Can someone help? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How odd. Not blatant valdalism, obviously. But very strange. Just remember that "any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor". -- Chris B • talk 14:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:XIDE 

message: I was looking for a barnstar relating to numismatics. I didn't find it so I  created this barnstar for anyone who does great improvements to numismatic related content.Bewareofdog 23:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barnstar 

message: According to one websource there are at least 300 different types of light (or fake) chinese "silver" dollars. 
The Yuan Shi Kai yuans and the various "7 mace and 2 candareens" and "dragon dollars" are only the best known of these. 
They often seem to weigh between 18 and 22 grams as opposed to the [I guess] aprox 26.64 g stated weight for 7 mace and 2 candareens.
They have become collectible "in their own right".
Would anybody be willing to write an article about them ?
I really think a good article with some info about their metal content could be very valuable, as they seem to be surfacing a lot since the precious metals prices have been rising.
I would be willing to help out, but I just don't know enough about them to really do a good article. John5Russell3Finley 02:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light Dragon Dollars etc of China 

message: Is he a notable numismatist? Thank you. --victor falk 22:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laurie Bamford]]

message: I have some coins which I would like to take pictures of and upload, but I can never take a good picture, as it always reflects etc, and I don't have a working scanner. Any advice on taking good coin photos with a digital camera would be most welcome. Tarcus 10:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately there's much more involved here than a paragraph answer. :-( On my site we have an entire forum dedicated to just coin photography. My suggestion would be to grab the beverage of your choice when you have about an hour or so, and sit and read. You will learn a lot, and see some great examples of photography. Enjoy! Bobby I'm Here, Are You There? 15:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advice 

message: I started an article on Coin counterfeiting, I was wondering if anybody can help me with images here, I would like a picture of a fake Euro and also an old fake, like what is on this site.    AJUK </font>Talk!! 14:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coin counterfeiting 

message: Gentlemen, I hereby submit to you
Commons:Category:Taiwan $1000 banknote 1999 edition
for your future articles on mistakes in banknotes. Jidanni (talk) 00:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistakes in banknotes 

message: Hurooz keeps moving the page "Afghanistani afghani" to "Afghanistan afghani". He's left a message of my talk page telling me the word "Afghanistani" should never be used, but I don't think it should be replaced with "Afghanistan". What do you guys think? I always thought if a country ends in -stan than the adjective form ends with -stani like Pakistani, Turkmenistani, etc. – Zntrip 23:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're not suppose to follow your thoughts here. All the other countries that end with -stan were created recently, did you know this? Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Uzebekistan were created as nations in 1992. Pakistan was created in 1947. Afghanistan was created in 1747, and prior to 1747, from as far as the 10th or 11th century until today, the only correct word used was and is "Afghan". For Afghanistan we only use Afghan, unless you can prove me wrong by showing reliable mentioning of the word "Afghanistani" by any official educational, government or media source. There are billions of mentionings of the word "Afghan" in the official encyclopedias, books, media, movies, newspapers, by world leaders, world politicians, world journalists, and the list goes on and on and on... Isn't that enough evidence??????? Now, show me one single "official" mentioning of afghanistani? Of course, just like with many incorrect names, you may find it mentioned by mistakes at some unreliable places, blogs.... That is NOT OFFICIAL, that's like hearing someong on the street using the word by mistake and you make a note. The most reliable and easiest way to figure out these kind of things is to rely on direct Afghan government or Afghan main media sites, to see how the people of that country write the name correctly. News site from Kabul, Afghanistan It's never the case for the Afghan government or official media to make any mistakes with their national name. The constitution of Afghanistan clearly states that the ONLY word to be used for all of its citizens is Afghan. Or better yet use the CIA factbook, where it never uses afghanistani either, it uses the correct name as Afghan afghani for the currency of Afghanistan. I had trouble to move the page to "Afghan afghani" so I left it at afghanistan afghani which is much better than afghanistani afghani. I my self am from Afghanistan and never do we citizens of Afghanistan use the word afghanistani.--Hurooz (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Afghanistani afghani]] 

message: If someone can find more appropriate and specific categories for Japanese invasion money? Just as a matter of curiousity, is there a specific occupation money category - or something along those lines? Cheers. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should just make a new category for all the World War II fiat money. In just Asia alone there's also Japanese government-issued Philippine fiat peso, emergency circulating notes (which should be renamed), Japanese military yen, and Banana money. – Zntrip 00:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I whole heartedly agree. The names should be standardized. Are Malaysia, Oceania, and Burma omitted? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 16:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese invasion money 

message: I've noticed that in many currency articles the opening definition is written in what to me seems an odd style. To pick just a few random examples: Guyanese dollar starts with "The dollar (currency code GYD) has been the currency of Guyana (formerly British Guiana) since 1839";  Gibraltar pound starts "The pound (ISO 4217 currency code: GIP) is the currency of Gibraltar"; Burundian franc starts with "The franc (ISO 4217 code is BIF) is the currency of Burundi", etc.
These definitions do not satisfactorily define the term in bold, nor do they satisfactorily define the article's subject. I propose that, in general, currency articles should begin with a definition of the currency name written exactly as it is in the article's title. Thus: "The Guyanese dollar (currency code GYD) has been the currency of Guyana (formerly British Guiana) since 1839", and so on.
What do you think? Matt 12:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See User talk:Dove1950#Intro. Please talk to Dove (or bring him here) if you wish to continue the discussion. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 16:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see Dove's comments. I left a note there but I will reply here. The article title is, by implication, the correct full name of the currency. Changing the name in the opening definition doesn't, to me, clarify anything in this regard; it just looks like an oversight. Perhaps we should be titling the articles like dollar (Guyana) etc. Matt 03:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the article title is not, in general, the correct full name. In most cases, the official name of the currency omits the country name. Only the unofficial ISO 4217 includes the country name. However, it is vital that the article title includes the country name for the sake of distinction and clarity. In a first line such as "The Gibraltar pound is the currency of Gibraltar", the first Gibraltar is redundant once the whole sentence is read. If we were to adopt your idea, I would be more inclined to use dollar (Currency of Guyana) but I think we're better off as we are since it makes linking easier.Dove1950 (talk) 13:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Guyanese dollar is the currency of Guyana", to use that as an example, reads just fine to me: the Guyanese/Guyana repetition doesn't trouble me at all. However, an opening definition "The dollar is the currency of Guyana" looks wrong because it purports to be defining dollar but actually doesn't. It is also completely unobvious (to me) that the dropping of "Guyanese" in the definition is supposed to be telling me that the correct full name is just "dollar" and not "Guyanese dollar". Quite the opposite in fact: it looks as if the author just forgot to use the full name as given in the article title. Since neither of the proposed reasons for using "dollar" in the definition rather than "Guyanese dollar" actually holds water (in my opinion), and given the disadvantages of this style (i.e. it "looks wrong"), I think we would be better off using "Guyanese dollar" in the definition, assuming that we don't want to change the article title (which, as you say, might not be such a great idea). In an internationalised context, such as Wikipedia, I don't see any problem with using the disambiguated ISO name in the definition. It seems obvious to me that in local or other usages where there is no possibility of confusion, the country adjective would in practice be dropped. I wondered about "The Guyanese dollar (official name: dollar) is the currency of Guyana", but I don't like that much. ChoChoPK: what's your current view? Would you rather stick with the status quo? Anyone else? Matt 12:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it's fine the way it is. It just reduces redundancy. – Zntrip 04:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd definition style