Talk:Dragonriders of Pern

message: We need guidelines as to what information should be in Dragonriders of Pern, and what information should be in Pern.  Tentatively, I'll suggest that Dragonriders of Pern should be about the events in the books, and analysis of the series as fiction, while Pern should be about the planet itself, as "fact". Bluap 16:08, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Bluap.  Indeed, what we really need is a WikiProject for Pern and the Dragonriders books. -Acjelen 19:32, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pern and Dragonriders

message: I reluctantly added the spoiler tag to the list of characters as the resolution and one death from Dragonsblood are now given.  It may need to be added to the top of the article, but I scanned through and found only a few vague hints about the situation following The White Dragon. -Acjelen 19:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler Tag

message: See: Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29/Archive V#How_about:_Sectioning_off_of.2Fpossible_banning_of_Fictional_Universe_articles.  I hope I am not in violation of WP:SPAM by informing talk pages of some Fictional Universes about this thread.  Perhaps some other fan can pass the word to other relevant interests, or perhaps there ought to be some NPOV template at top of the talk pages. User:AlMac|(talk) 14:46, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubt they'll do anything. Plus, DroP has a very large fanbase to be notable. Plus, there is the Dune series, Warhammer /40k, Star Wars... Disinclination 06:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: At present (November 7, 2006), that link no longer takes the user to the discussion in question. When we find where it has moved (presumably archived), we should post the new link here. Lawikitejana 14:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional Universes not belong in Wikipedia? 

message: In passing the article states that dragons have no vocal chords.  I don't htink that's correct; dragons are incapable of human speech, of course, but they bugle constantly. --Apascover 03:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of animals bugle or make other sounds. None of them have vocal cords. You don't need vocal cords to make sounds.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.66.223 (talk) 14:27, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous

message: While the short stories contained are mentioned, the title is not.  To bring it in line with Chronicles, I added the second anthology's title.  Can it be added to the Dragonriders infobox?  I am not sure how to do this.  Pejorative.majeure 05:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A Gift is in both of the show/hide templates  and , perhaps years ago. Follow the template link and select "Toolbox; What links here" to see where the templates are in use. --P64 (talk) 23:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added title - ''A Gift of Dragons'' 

message: I meant to put this in the edit summary but accidently saved page before I did.
I've reverted the edits by User 198.189.58.254 because the prior version of the article had a more encyclopedic tone. The new edits sounded much more like an essay, without adding any new or relevant information to the article. Vgranucci 23:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert edits by User 198.189.58.254  

message: I know that there is a list of the books/short stories by when they were published, but should a list comprosing the canonical order of the stories be included? Or if there is a seperate article containing this information could someone point me in the right direction? Unknown Dragon (talk) 18:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Pern books.  I just threw this together based on earlier versions of this page (which originally had a chronological list before I changed it a couple years ago), so it could use some formatting and maybe fact-checking.--Apascover (talk) 23:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pern Chronology. On sources for dates in Pern history, see my note Talk:List of Pern books#Chronology of Pern. --P64 (talk) 22:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronological Order of the Series 

message: I'm not an expert on this series but the 'Social Considerations' section seems to be pure speculation and thus not warranted. Lots42 (talk) 01:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the root cause is that the whole "Pernese Worldview and Society" reads as if it were written as an essay, which is fairly common in Wikipedia.  Over time, the tone of the article will no doubt improve Bluap (talk) 02:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

message: Entries for short stories should clearly name the title/volumes of first publication. That may mean clearly name two volumes. We should not say "collected" regarding first publication. 
For example, is "The Girl Who Heard Dragons" originally published in a collection of short stories with the same title? (I can't complete the example without knowing the answer. This note should help explain the problem.) --P64 (talk) 20:28, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For that particular short story, see  Bluap (talk) 23:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

text: This list of Pern short fiction with publication data (unreliable) is imported from List of Pern books.
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This list gives original publication data for fourteen Pern short stories, novelettes, and novellas without category distinctions. Both the Hugo Awards and Nebula Awards define those categories by the ceilings 7500, 17500, and 40000 words and longer works are defined to be novels.
Most of these stories are also listed above in Pern historical order.
Three were incorporated in novels. Nine appear in the two Pern collections including three that were original there. 
*"Weyr Search", Analog, Oct 1967 (incorporated in Dragonflight)
*"Dragonrider", Analog, Dec 1968 and Jan 1969 (incorporated in Dragonflight)
*"The Smallest Dragonboy", Science Fiction Tales, Rand McNally, 1973 (collected in A Gift of Dragons)
*"A Time When", NESFA Press, 1975 —hardcover limited edition for Boskone convention (incorporated in The White Dragon)
*"The Girl Who Heard Dragons", Cheap Street, 1986; reissued as a Tor Book, Tom Doherty Associates, 1994 (collected in A Gift of Dragons)
*"The Impression", by Jody Lynn Nye and Anne McCaffrey, The Dragonlover's Guide to Pern (1989), 44-52.
*"Rescue Run", Analog, Aug 1992 (collected in The Chronicles of Pern: First Fall)
*"The P.E.R.N. Survey", Amazing Stories, Sep 1993 (collected in The Chronicles)
*"The Dolphin's Bell", Wildside Press, 1993 —limited edition, leatherbound book (collected in The Chronicles)
*"The Ford of Red Hanrahan", original to The Chronicles, 1993
*"The Second Weyr", original to The Chronicles, 1993
*"Runner of Pern", Legends: Short Novels by the Masters of Modern Fantasy, ed. Robert Silverberg, 1998 (collected in A Gift of Dragons)
*"Ever the Twain", original to A Gift of Dragons, 2002
*"Beyond Between", Legends II: New Short Novels by the Masters of Modern Fantasy, ed. Robert Silverberg, 2003
unquote --P64 (talk) 16:04, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Consult the new Anne McCaffrey bibliography. Please use Talk:Anne McCaffrey bibliography for discussion of bibliography (in contrast to what bibliographical data belongs in this article). --P64 (talk) 21:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short stories 

message: :This list of Pern short fiction with publication data (unreliable) is imported from List of Pern books.
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This list gives original publication data for fourteen Pern short stories, novelettes, and novellas without category distinctions. Both the Hugo Awards and Nebula Awards define those categories by the ceilings 7500, 17500, and 40000 words and longer works are defined to be novels.
Most of these stories are also listed above in Pern historical order.
Three were incorporated in novels. Nine appear in the two Pern collections including three that were original there. 
*"Weyr Search", Analog, Oct 1967 (incorporated in Dragonflight)
*"Dragonrider", Analog, Dec 1968 and Jan 1969 (incorporated in Dragonflight)
*"The Smallest Dragonboy", Science Fiction Tales, Rand McNally, 1973 (collected in A Gift of Dragons)
*"A Time When", NESFA Press, 1975 —hardcover limited edition for Boskone convention (incorporated in The White Dragon)
*"The Girl Who Heard Dragons", Cheap Street, 1986; reissued as a Tor Book, Tom Doherty Associates, 1994 (collected in A Gift of Dragons)
*"The Impression", by Jody Lynn Nye and Anne McCaffrey, The Dragonlover's Guide to Pern (1989), 44-52.
*"Rescue Run", Analog, Aug 1992 (collected in The Chronicles of Pern: First Fall)
*"The P.E.R.N. Survey", Amazing Stories, Sep 1993 (collected in The Chronicles)
*"The Dolphin's Bell", Wildside Press, 1993 —limited edition, leatherbound book (collected in The Chronicles)
*"The Ford of Red Hanrahan", original to The Chronicles, 1993
*"The Second Weyr", original to The Chronicles, 1993
*"Runner of Pern", Legends: Short Novels by the Masters of Modern Fantasy, ed. Robert Silverberg, 1998 (collected in A Gift of Dragons)
*"Ever the Twain", original to A Gift of Dragons, 2002
*"Beyond Between", Legends II: New Short Novels by the Masters of Modern Fantasy, ed. Robert Silverberg, 2003
unquote --P64 (talk) 16:04, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Consult the new Anne McCaffrey bibliography. Please use Talk:Anne McCaffrey bibliography for discussion of bibliography (in contrast to what bibliographical data belongs in this article). --P64 (talk) 21:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: import from the chronological list of Pern books

message: Regarding the 24 or more articles on Pern books, there is discussion above called #Consistency needed: SF or Fantasy? (2006 to 2009 plus my recent contributions). That is concerned entirely with the alternatives. Although I am responsible for imposing consistent use of "fantasy or science fiction" in the lead paragraphs, let me take the opportunity to move the question mark forward and ask how much consistency across articles on Pern books is appropriate. After all, the books aren't consistent. --P64 (talk) 20:59, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems pretty clear from the sourced treatment at Anne_McCaffrey#Classification that these works are predominantly science fiction, "though tinged with the tone and instruments of fantasy". The lead should be a simple summary of the main aspects of the subject, so should in my opinion just say science fiction for her mainly-science-fiction works. We can mention fantasy or other elements elsewhere, with appropriate sources, in the articles if convenient, where style is being discussed for example. --Mirokado (talk) 02:53, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency needed? 

message: The page currently describes the value of marks as somewhere between $200 and $400, based on a 1/32nd mark buying 6 small fruit pies.  That value seems abnormally high to me, as I can recall various lines concerning this system of trade.  That would be $6.25 to $12.50 for six small pies, and the story makes reference to individuals eating several of them at a sitting.  In today's world, you can easily buy a dozen fruit-filled donuts for under $6, and you can buy a package of sweet rolls for around $1.50.  Of course, in an agricultural society, it may not cost much to make edible goods.  I would think that a single mark would be closer to $20-40, if that.
Menolly, as Master Robinton's 'special' apprentice, is given a whole two-mark piece to spend at the gather. "Find something pretty to wear at the stalls... a belt, perhaps... and buy some of the bubbly pies." - Anne McCaffrey, Dragonsinger (chapters 8 and 9.)  Piemur convinces a merchant to buy an apprentice-made tambourine for 3 and 1/2 marks, as it is high-enough quality to pass for a journeyman-made piece.
In the short story, "Runner of Pern," Tenna is searching for some leather with which to make some shoes for herself.  As the bargaining begins, the leather-maker offers her the hide for 9 marks, and another in Tenna's party says even at 5 marks, it would be robbery.  Tenna only has 4 to spend. Anne McCaffrey, Runner of Pern (included in A Gift of Dragons.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.192.119 (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the value of the mark to $20 based on the referenced source, which makes much more sense.—D'Ranged 1 talk 16:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Value of Marks 

message: Some of the articles providing background information linked to here and in other related articles arewere the subject of a multiple deletion request: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holds of Pern. This article iswas a candidate destination for any resulting merged content. --Mirokado (talk) 21:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Talk:Pern#Merging etc which I hope will document actions taken in response to the comments at the AfD. --Mirokado (talk) 21:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple article deletion request 

message: I love the music content and its recent additions but may we please have some refs for it? I also thought the tone was a bit OTT and have tried to modify it a bit without trashing it ... can you help? Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

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