Talk:Gilberto Silva/Archive 1

message: The article fails criterias #1 #2 and #4. 
*1 (It is well written) - The article itself is well enough written, but I think the many subheaders with very little text makes the article less compelling. I would suggest having fewer and bigger sections. More importantly, a title for fore example Dein and Rosenthal would be helpful to people not knowing them (i.e. Arsenal vice-chairman David Dein, and so on). Also "Justice Jack" seems derogatory and out of place. It could also need a good wikilink check-up, with some links being repeated, while some aren't highlighted at all. 
*2&4 (It is verifiable and NPOV) - It cites "fans" and then writes something either negative or possitive about Silva, which puts the article in an NPOV light. It needs a lot of sources - both regarding people saying something unverifiable and the various quotes, but also in regards to specific statistics. Not least the 20.06 second goal.
Additionally, the sentence "Gilberto has indicated that after his current contract finishes at Arsenal, he wants to return to Brazil to play club football." seems totally out of place. And the WC 2006 section should be before the 2006-07 season section, simply because that is the chronological chain of events. Also, the club statistics could be merged into one big table, much like Daniel Agger (and I guess very many others). Poulsen 17:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: This feedback was left about the Gilberto Silva article:
:Flows quite well and isn't that far off the standard of the Denis Law article. Using dates in the sub-headings is probably not a good idea, at least until his playing career is over ("2002-present" could be wrong by tomorrow). Both the "Praise and Criticism" and "Trivia" sections would be better worked into the text - it will give it some life and remove these sections as point of view targets and places for dumping information without thought. Some of the sections are a little short to warrant splitting off, consider dropping some of the sub-headings. Also there is a real lack of references for important statements, such as "It was Gilberto's performance in this tournament which led to him being classed as one of the top defensive midfielders in the world" and "proving he was not just a watercarrier for the team" (the latter needs sources for why that was expected to be the case as well as some explanation). Yomanganitalk 23:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:RFF]] 

message: This was left in my user talk page. (Thanks goes to green catepillar.)
:I noticed that there have been many improvements to the article. However, the early life section could use expanding. After this, check that it is factually accurate, verifiable, and npov (see WP:WIAGA), and then you (or I or someone else) could nominate it for good article candidacy. If it succeeds, the class could be upgraded to GA.
:However, for now, the next highest class is A-class, and I'm not sure this would qualify. So I recommend trying the above. Hope everything goes well. Green caterpillar 19:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More improvement suggestions 

message: I saw the message in my talk page and I went quickly through the article once again. It is much much better and I donot think it will have any problem to become GA. These are my suggestions for further improvement:
*In "Arsenal career" I see some short paragraphs, often one-sentence paragraphs. Try to merge or expand them. The goal here is to make the prose more coherent. Try to make your article have agood flow and tell a coherent story (like a nice tale!).
*"Style of play" looks to me a bit stubby. Expand it a bit, if you can and invclude some "technical" details about his way of playing (even well-grounded criticisms-you may be a fan, but your article hat to be NPOV and cover all the range of opinions).
*Try to turn "Honours" into prose. Such listy sections are not recommended.
*In "Notes and references" and "External links", when you mention or citate a link, try to include all the necessary elements about it (not only URL, but also date it was retrieves, author if it is signed, always its title - check any Feautured Article to have an idea).
*Sites are nice sources. But any printed sources? I know it is tough, but it would be nice if you could find some of them. They ara highly recommended. Why don't you search Google Book, if there is something.
In any case, this is a great improvement. Continue this way and the article will be just great!--Yannismarou 17:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Review

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*Please alphabetize the interlanguage links.See footnote
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*Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that the it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 2a. See footnote - This is ongoing. -GilbertoSilvaFan 13:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Automated Peer Review

message: This is overall a great article, but I did notice a few problems...
* The numerous times Mr. Silva is referred to as Gilberto should be changed to his last name. This is just common encyclopedic custom.
Normally this is true, but below, QmunkE points out why this article is an exception
*The block quote attributed to Mr. Silva in the Early life section needs to be sourced.
Now sourced.
*This sentence should have a proper cite.(It was in this position that Gilberto flourished, scoring three goals in the 2001 season and becoming one of Brazilian club football's most highly rated players.)
Not sourced. I must have made this up.
* As should this sentence. (Despite these goals, it was generally assumed that Gilberto's international career would be short-lived at most.)
I didn't make this one up since it was never documented everywhere, but fans did assume this. Removed claim from article as I won't find a source for it.
*The direct quote attributed to Arsené Wenger in the first paragraph of the Arsenal career section needs to be sourced.
BAM! Now sourced.
*I'd also recommend that the very last reference in the article be moved so that it appears to reference the quote at the end of the sentence.
I agree. Fixetated.
Provided that these objections are taken care of, I have no problem passing this article for Good status. I am putting this article on hold to give you time to address these concerns. Cheers for such a great article! Deyyaz [ Talk | Contribs ] 16:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Many Brazillian footballers tend to be referred to using their given names, see Juninho Paulista, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho for examples. The encyclopedia articles on them do and should probably continue to reflect this. QmunkE 16:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking all the time to read through the article Deyyaz, I really appreciate your work. I have taken care of all the points on your list; if you have time I'd be grateful if you can read through the article again and see if you think it is now worth of GA Status. If not, just let me know what else you think needs doing! Cheers. -GilbertoSilvaFan 22:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nomination 

message: Gilberto's early club stats are almost complete. I've used what information I could find on http://www.footballdatabase.com/site/players/index.php?dumpPlayer=1095, but the 1997 and 1998 season needs adding. Any knowledge or sources regarding his early career days would be muchly appreciated.
Thank you,
--GilbertoSilvaFan 12:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Career Statistics

message: Volante is not a nickname. In Spanish or Portuguese its is the name given to a defensive midfielder.
:This is a good point - but English journalists do refer to him as Arsenal's "volante". I've never heard him referred to "Parede Invisível" in English, so maybe this should be changed? Your view is greatly appreciated - but remember that the nicknames are going to be from a more English viewpoint, because it's English Wikipedia! :-) In Portuguese and Spanish Wikipedia, "Volante" probably would not appear as his nickname, since that would be like an Englishman calling Beckham "Midfielder". In Spain, calling Beckham "Midfielder", however, could be a nickname. In England, calling a Spanish person "amigo" is a nickname, but it wouldn't be in Spain. The examples go on. What do other people think about this? BTW - I agree that you removed "Gilberto" as a nickname though - it is quite simply his first name - not a nickname!GilbertoSilvaFan 18:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Volante

message: Here are a few notes, to nobody in particular, about the spoken version of this article which I added recently.
* It is my first spoken article, though I have done a few pronunciation recordings on Wiktionary before
* I did this recording over a time period of about four months. This is why my voice varies quite substantially in pitch and tone throughout the article. Also; at the time of recording some of the latter paragraphs, I also had a cold. I suppose people would advise against recording with a cold... but what else is there to do when off sick, other than record spoken articles?
* I used Audacity to record this. Resizing Firefox and Audacity into half a screen each (pic) seemed to work best for me.
* I held a home-made 'fluff reducer' in front of the microphone for all of the recording. I used the old coat-hanger trick, except instead of spreading a pair of tights over the wire (I don't have any tights, let alone an old pair), I taped a large tissue over it. Here's a pic of my contraption.
* I do not pretend like I am an expert at spoken recordings; far from it. I know that my voice is very radio un-friendly, and I don't have a naturally narrative tone. I also stumble when I read aloud. However, I don't think that any of this should stop me (or anybody) from giving spoken articles a go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GilbertoSilvaFan (talk • contribs) 10:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes on a spoken article 

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thread_title: Assessment comment