Talk:Rainbow Gathering/Archive 2

message: I propose that the Annual / National listings be corrected to show ALL gatherings that happened in the proper years. This should include years when it was obvious that there where indeed two gatherings. Additionally each year should indicate whether or not the event was a permitted event or a true free form Rainbow Gathering. The listing should have a kindclaimer informing the public on the differences between a permitted event and an actual Rainbow Gathering and there should always remain a NPOV banner at the top.
The (A) Gathering of the Tribes listing of historical dates can be listed in the Alternative Rainbow Gatherings section with an appropriate kindclaimer and continuous NPOV banner informing the public of the differences between the separate views.
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*Lookingheart 03:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative Solutions 

message: Okay, just trying to summarize recent events so we can all try to get in focus about the final decision.
* A recent proposal was to move AGOTT listings to a new article, which was agreed to by Oceankat and Bstone.  
* Twofeathers also agreed with conditions that the listings be properly linked to the main article.  Twofeathers also raised some additional concerns about the truthfulness of other aspects of the article, which I'm confident can be addressed outside of this mediation
* Lookingheart rejected this proposal, asserting that the listings should not be separated in this mannner.
Does that sound about right so far?
Lookingheart appears to have made a counterproposal that the AGOTT listings stay in the Rainbow Gatherings article, but in a section called Alternative Rainbow Gatherings.  What does everyone think of that?  I would like to stress that at this point, Lookingheart has given some ground, which I consider a good faith effort to solve this issue.  Please be mindful of that in your responses. --Aguerriero (talk) 05:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AGOTT is a seperate event from the main Rainbow Gathering and thus it's historical information should be included in it's own article. Listing it here would be, quite simply, the wrong place. Bstone 14:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bstone - please consider these questions: Does it hurt the Rainbow Gathering page to have a section entitled Alternate Gatherings, for the listing of other annuals?  Also, being that the audience seeking information on AGOTT would likely be the same type of audience seeking information on Rainbow Gatherings, does it make sense to have them on the same page?  I have no opinion one way or another - just asking you to consider. --Aguerriero (talk) 22:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let us be clear exactly what is being proposed here. A section of this article that is beyond editors control. Questions of notability or verifiabilty are not pertinent to this section. Lookingheart can list as many gatherings as he wishes and no one can question his listings. Gatherings, such as the WV gathering, which never happened before, can be listed before they happen without there being any reasonable conjecture possible as to the number of people (or if any) who might attend or even that it will actually be an annual gathering as there is no evidence that the same people who planned it this year will have the time, energy or desire to  plan it next year. If lookingheart can list gatherings such as this than anyone can, and eventually anyone will. This has been a problem with rainbow calenders. For some, a significant minority perhaps, rainbow is like a religion. They desire gatherings everyday of every month of every year. 10, 5, or even 1 person will call a gathering, list it on a calender and hope people show up and make it happen. If the moderator of the calender refuses to list it they were condemned, if the gathering was listed and it didn't manifest they were condemned.  Lookingheart has made it clear that he intends to list more gatherings next year. Most will be like the WV gathering. I offered this compromise to lookingheart before this mediation began in an effort to protect other sections of the article. I will still accept it to protect the Annual/National Gathering list from descending into chaos. A section where Lookingheart or anyone else can place any gathering they wish no matter how small without any questions being raised about notability or verifiability. Oceankat 18:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text:  To respond to your questions. 1) It is confusing when a person attempts to view the historical data only to see things which one does not recognize. Most "regular Rainbows" would look at Lookingheart's verion of the historical data and be entirely confused. 2) The audience seeking information on Rainbow Gathering is doing just that. They are not seeking information on AGOTT. If they are then there should be a seperate wikipedia page for them to go to. It's not the annual Rainbow Gathering and almost no one who attends said Rainbow Gathering even has the slighest idea that Looking heart puts on something even remotely similar. That all said, AGOTT simply doesn't belong on this page. There should be a seperate with all that information included on it.Bstone 14:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new proposal 

message: the arrest of the murder suspect is said to be at the 1998 gathering, but the source given is dated 1997. this is not possible that a published source is given for something not yet given. DO other dates also not match up??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.221.29.197 (talk) 21:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date wrong