MediaWiki talk:Movepage-moved

message: Some of the message parameters here (previously on MediaWiki:Pagemovedtext) still seem very broken (as of this posting). $1 and $2 work fine as full links to the previous (with &redirect=no) and current page. But $3 and $4, which return the plain text of the page names, don't work in most link wikicode (fullurl, localurl, or even bracket links). For example:
*$3
  produces:
<a href="/w/index.php?title=%243&action=edit" class="new" title="Title of page">Title of page</a>
However, it works with the full URL, such as:
check
  produces:
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Title of Page" class="external text" title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Title of Page" rel="nofollow">check</a>
Anyway, a mostly working (except on the secure server, obviously) iteration of this can be seen at test.wp/MediaWiki:Movepage-moved --Splarka (rant) 07:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: [ Fixed for now] using external link syntax. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:44:01, 02 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, a clever work-around. I think you forgot the closing </div> though? Also, this should be fixed in the next scap? rev:23604. Also:  seems to work (example) --Splarka (rant) 01:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I closed the tag, and will keep an eye on the current revision () before updating the messages and documentation. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:50:30, 03 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Ahh [ Yes], the revert link is screwed up.  --Splarka (rant) 07:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, it looks like rev:23604 fixed the wikilink problem, but $3 and $4 still cannot be used in external links or parserfunctions, making the revert link unfixable. PathosChild: maybe grab this version (minus the tests) for enwp (uses wikilinks, has the broken revert link commented out)? --Splarka (rant) 10:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I switched the links to wikiML, fixed the delete link by adding a hidden $3 at the end of the message for the JavaScript (which should be updated to use $1 again), and fixed the revert link with the  workaround template. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:06:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bugs

message: Please add 3 closing apostrophes after "the following text:", and remove the extra closing div tag (</div>). Thanks! Korg (talk) 00:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: done. — Carl (CBM · talk) 01:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closing tag and apostrophes 

message: "Double-redirect" isn't written with a hyphen. Melsaran (formerly Salaskаn) 22:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: In my recent moves (yesterday and today), this page has yield a "please check" link that shows me what links to $4, not what links to the page I moved.  Firefox 2.0.0.11 under Windows XP, but nothing seems to have changed since it was last working.  I can't figure out where the parameters are coming from, though. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the new parser — we switched to it on Friday.  No idea how to fix it, though.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 10:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed the Special:Whatlinkshere links simply by reverting them to ordinary wikilinks with no kluges.  The revert link seems to be broken beyond repair though: it seems interface parameters ($1, $2, etc.) just won't work inside  anymore.  I've commented out the revert link and have filed a bug report on meta.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 11:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "check" link giving literal $4 

message: I was fixing the same system message in another projects, then looked here and was surprised that this one doesn't have some useful links:
* «Special:Log/move»
* «If you moved the page by mistake, you can undo it»
*: [ undo].
* «If you do not need the old name (it was an implausible typo), you can mark it for deletion»
*: [/index.php?title=&action=edit&editintro=template:db-redirtypo2&preview=no mark it]
*::This requires template:db-redirtypo2 (or any other page as editintro) that contains something like this: "Add this to the text below: {{db-redirtypo}}, click Save, and this redirect will soon be deleted by administrators."
* «... or delete it if you are administrator»
*:[/index.php?title=&action=delete&wpReason= delete]
—AlexSm 07:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convenience links 

message: I think it would be better if the check link went to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/%243&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1 .  If you're looking for double redirects, you only need to show redirects. Superm401 - Talk 01:48, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double redirect check 

message: When someone moves a page, links to the new and old location are displayed.  The new location has &redirect=no appended at the end, while the old target does not.  That's backward, is it not?  The old page should be the one that denies the redirect, as the move turns it into a redirect to the new location.  That new location should not need a redirect=no parameter as it is where the content will now reside.  I'm no expert, but I presume it should be done by replacing the first mention of :$3 with [ $3].  The reverse can be done for $4, but that is not necessary aside from achieving perfect clarification. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 18:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently there are archives here.  This was actually done/suggested twice before, many years ago.  But afaict those issues have been cleared up, as it was done simply to avoid a redlink for $4.  It also seems to have been around for a moment or two in June 2007. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 18:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 23:32, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just saw this in action, thanks! ~ Amory (u • t • c) 04:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request - Don't redirect the old name 

message: Related to this, can we put a direct edit link in for the original location?  It would make cleaning up with R3 one click easier for non-sysops, and could be useful if someone wished to immediately make the redirect an article.  Not huge reasons but hey, it's free.  All that would need to be done would be to put "[ edit] | " right after the first open parentheses - ( - on the page, found right after the first  tag. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 21:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit link for original title 

message: Please update "Links to the old page title will not be changed." to "Links from other articles to the old page title will not be changed, but redirects to the old page will be updated automatically by bot." or some other clarification. --Bensin (talk) 18:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This request is misplaced. I will move it shortly. --Bensin (talk) 18:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I will place request at MediaWiki talk:Movepagetext instead. --Bensin (talk) 18:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify message 

message: Shouldn't there be a reminder to change redirected links in navigational templates, per WP:R#Bypass redirects in navigational templates? -Set theorist (talk) 08:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Check for navbox template links 

message: I suggest a fourth bullet point be added:
 "* If you turn "[ $3]" into a disambiguation page, please disambiguate the links from other pages that point to that page."
It would also be nice if the words "update the links" link to the Disambig fix tool: http://toolserver.org/~dpl/dab_fix_list.php?title=<name of page> --Bensin (talk) 14:21, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: . I've added a link to the disambiguation tool as well. I've tested the basic code, but the disambiguation tool link still needs to be tested by moving a page in mainspace that has had links pointing to it for a little while. (I tested it with a newly-created and newly-linked-to page, but the replication lag for the disambiguation tool is almost 8 hours at the moment.) If you notice any bugs, let me know straight away. Best — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 07:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure thing! Thanks! --Bensin (talk) 13:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tested the disambiguation tool link and it works fine. Is there any way to send a user who is logged in on Wikipedia's secure server to the toolserver's secure connection? --Bensin (talk) 15:19, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  --Redrose64 (talk) 21:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! --Bensin (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for fourth bullet point about disambig pages 

message: Hello. Just to suggest that when this "Moved succeeded" page is shown after a template has been moved, the bullet points in the "Please clean up after your move" box include something like:
* If this template is built using a template such as Template:Navbox, Template:Sidebar or Template:Infobox (or one of their derivatives), please update its name parameter to the template's new name.
CsDix (talk) 15:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  When the page moved is a template... 

message: I suggest add a Edit button for first page, because the first page is a mistake uncommon or the first page will be converted in a disambiguation page.
I propose change this code
 (links | [ delete]
by this
 (links | [ edit]  | [ delete]
Regards. --Vivaelcelta {talk  ·  contributions} 15:04, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I take note. Then I propose this change. --Vivaelcelta {talk  ·  contributions} 18:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  It has been three months and nobody have opposed. So I think this change can be made.--Vivaelcelta {talk  ·  contributions} 08:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: OK,  Done --Redrose64 (talk) 10:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --Vivaelcelta {talk  ·  contributions} 11:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Edit button for first page 

message: If page $3 was moved without leaving a redirect, a redlink should be shown. Can you please replace "[ $3]" with ""?
GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tested this change and it doesn't appear to break anything.  I'll be implementing this change provided there are no further objections.  Thanks, Nakon 00:59, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nakon 04:19, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I attempted to deploy this on en.wiki and was unable to verify functionality.  This will need further review before additional deployment attempts.  Nakon 04:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

text: I have deactivated the edit request marker for now, after these issues are resolved you may reactivate it. — xaosflux Talk 15:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 26 May 2016 

message: There are occasions when a left-behind redirect is retargeted to a disambiguation page (or to a section on a disambiguation page), so please edit the following:
If you turn "[ $3]" into a disambiguation page, please disambiguate the links from other pages that point to it.
with the additional text, "or into a redirect that targets a disambiguation page" as follows:
If you turn "[ $3]" into a disambiguation page or into a redirect that targets a disambiguation page, please disambiguate the links from other pages that point to it.
to appear as:
* If you turn "[ $3]" into a disambiguation page or into a redirect that targets a disambiguation page, please  disambiguate the links from other pages that point to it.
Example: If  were moved to , it may be that the redirect left behind should be retargeted to .  In such a case, it would be necessary to disambiguate the links to the left-behind redirect even though it hasn't itself been turned into a disambiguation page.  Thank you in advance!  What's in your palette? Paine  04:58, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm OK with making this edit, leaving this request open for a bit more so any additional comments can be added.  Thanks, Nakon 00:14, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No problemo, Nakon, I have added this also to this section of the Requested moves closing instructions, as well.  What's in your palette? Paine  00:33, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

text: Looks fine to me - no risk one way or the other, this could easily be reverted or further adjusted. — xaosflux Talk 00:47, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

text: — xaosflux Talk 02:17, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much, xaosflux!  Wikipedian Sign Language Paine  05:29, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fully protected edit request on 26 June 2016 

message: I recently moved a page and was presented with the message here: MediaWiki:Movepage-moved, as is expected. However, below that message there was also the text:
:A redirect has been created.
:Your move should now be reflected in the Wikidata item language link. We ask that you check this has occurred. (with a link to Wikidata)
:The page Talk:<previouspagename> has been moved to Talk:<previouspagename>.
Can someone tell me where this additional message is stored? I wish to suggest improvements to the wording of the message on its talk page. --Bensin (talk) 10:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional message after moving a page 

message: If you are an administrator and want to move a page creating togheter a redirect you have, first to move the page without the talk creating the redirect, and, second you have to go to the talk and move it without creating the redirect.  A link to the talk of the moved page should be, so, very useful--Pierpao (talk) 10:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi  Please can you paraphrase what you mean? –Ammarpad (talk) 09:23, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to the talk 

message: This is an established message page, navigation links should be updated. Please change sort key to sort key. Thank you, - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 20:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The current link is WP:NOTBROKEN  ery (talk) 15:59, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

text: — xaosflux Talk 00:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 29 September 2018 

message: I would suggest adding a bullett point that recommends considering whether Wikidata label should be updated too.-- 3knolls (talk) 10:20, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: please make the edit you would like to see in the sandbox then reactivate this request (change answered to 'no'). — xaosflux Talk 20:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikidata label 

message: I'm proposing a change to the text of this page, please see Wikipedia talk:Moving a page#MediaWiki:Movepage-moved: rethinking double redirects and disambiguation. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rethinking double redirects and disambiguation 

message: Currently most of the additions to the :category:Pages with disallowed DISPLAYTITLE modifications seem to be caused by page moves without proper cleanup. So I suggest adding a bullet point: "If the page has a manual DISPLAYTITLE modification, please ensure that it is valid". --bdijkstra (talk) 11:31, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't "... please update it" be clearer? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. --bdijkstra (talk) 21:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a bullet point about updating WP:SORTKEYs, wouldn't it make sense to adjust or add to that, since it considers DEFAULTSORT? ~  Amory (u • t • c) 11:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No, DISPLAYTITLE and DEFAULTSORT are not the same thing. --bdijkstra (talk) 12:26, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

text: True. Perhaps Amorymeltzer misread the proposal. In any case, we could add the sentence on to that same bullet point, rather than making a new one? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:23, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be confusing, as they are two very different things. Might as well add it to the first bullet. --bdijkstra (talk) 16:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware they're different, but the underlying issue is essentially the same thing: a behavior switch magic variable that likely needs changing.  This is a large message already, and saying something like "Check and update any magic words, such as DEFAULTSORT and DISPLAYTITLE." would be tighter. ~  Amory (u • t • c) 02:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense. --bdijkstra (talk) 09:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

text: Seems fine to me. ~  Amory (u • t • c) 11:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

text: There are many magic words, the two mentioned are the only ones that are relevant to a page move. So I suggest to change that second sentence to: "Check and update the magic words DEFAULTSORT and DISPLAYTITLE." --bdijkstra (talk) 12:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay  — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Displaytitle 

message: There is a proposal for an overhaul of this message, see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Making the post-move message more concise. – Uanfala (talk) 17:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed changes 

message: Hello! Sufficient consensus was gained through a Village Pump post regarding making this message more concise.
This change:
* combines the notes regarding non-free fair use rationales and disambiguation links, making them more concise and precise to the exact case where fixing is needed (a change in the content of a page).
* removes the note about double redirects. Multiple bots already work to fix this task automatically; see this section. Per WP:BOTDEF,  Protected double redirects can be fixed through human decision making later on through Special:DoubleRedirects or a database query.
* Makes the non-free fair use rationale note more precise. Per the non-free use rationale guideline,  . 
* removes the link to the disambiguation fixer as it is often down and fixing the links manually or via another semi-automated tool is enough; additionally, editors other than the mover can fix these links, and those editors likely will already know of the tool.
* adds a link to post-move cleanup instructions for more information if needed.
This edit makes the template more concise, and reduces banner blindness by only showing the most crucial messages. Please copy this page over to the main; here's a diff of the changes. If you implement this edit, please also consider implementing this request, guided through the same proposal. Thank you for your consideration! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 02:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Galobtter (pingó mió) 04:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 17 May 2022 

message: Rather than
:the incoming redirects (wikitext: the incoming redirects)
would it be more helpful to show
:[ the incoming redirects] (wikitext: [ the incoming redirects])?
That would be equally concise, and provide an easy way to check for double redirects which should be bypassed or improved.  I don't think we'd lose much: an editor who moves pages without knowing about redirects might be unlikely to clean up properly anyway.  Ideally we'd only show the message if such redirects actually exist, but I don't think that's possible.  Certes (talk) 11:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 16:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Mocked up in the sandbox. Certes (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Yeah, that's definitely going to be better. – Uanfala (talk) 14:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

text: let me know if any issues. — xaosflux Talk 13:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incoming redirects 

message: Can the edit request located at "MediaWiki talk:Movepage-moved#When the page moved is a template..." please be performed? In other words, can verbiage please be added to this notice instructing editors to update the name= parameter if the page moved is a navigation box or a navigation sidebar? Thanks. Steel1943 (talk) 22:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: please make all the changes you are proposing in the sandbox here: MediaWiki talk:Movepage-moved/sandbox, then reactivate the edit request above. — xaosflux Talk 19:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No thanks! I can't stand trying to figure out this namespace. Let it ride... Steel1943 (talk) 20:17, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 13 January 2023 

message: Hello. I am planning to update the message with "Update navigational templates in the moved article or page to wikilink directly to the new title." (or something along this line). I wanted to check everyone is ok with this change before I implement it. --TadejM my talk 12:38, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The current, simplified, wording is from #Protected edit request on 17 May 2022 above and the discussion that preceded it. The fixing of links in navboxes wasn't specifically discussed there, but it would still need some sort of consensus before getting added. Personally, I think it shouldn't be: the system message is directed primarily at inexperienced users and so should present a very short list of the most important things to fix: make it too long, and users will ignore it. What may be done, though, is to add a pointer to Wikipedia:Cleaning up after a move, which gives a fuller set of instructions. – Uanfala (talk) 14:29, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Cleaning up after a move is already linked in the page. Frostly (talk) 00:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Links in navigational templates