Talk:Qin Hui

message: The right pronunciation of 秦桧 in Standard Mandarin is Hui, not Kuai. This is common sense in China. Please see every Chinese dictionary, e.g., Kingsoft online dictionary (金山词霸) for the character 桧. It clearly says that 桧 is pronounced as Gui or Hui, and when 桧 is used in personal name, it is pronounced as Hui. It especially gives 秦桧 as an example.  In any case, Kuai is not the pronunciation of 桧. I have moved this article to right place. Thank you. --Neo-Jay 21:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The official Dictionary of the Taiwanese Ministry of Education gives two readings for the character 檜: "kuai4" and "gui4". The entry on 秦檜 has only "Qin2 Kuai4". So obviously "Qin Kuai" is standard in Taiwan, whilst "Qin Hui" is standard in Mainland China. In my opinion the Wikipedia main article should reflect both readings. I have also seen "Qin2 Gui4" in a Taiwanese dictionary. --P345 (talk) 12:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Western sinological literature generally refers to him as Qin Gui, btw. 138.246.8.194 (talk) 16:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qin Hui, not Qin Kuai 

message: Hello I changed one of the name from 万俟軼 to 万俟卨.  I believe that is what the name on the statues are.  Also I am not sure according to  chinese wikipedia 莫奇射 is an alternate name.  Via pinyin checks they both look like "mo qi xie" and "mo qi yi". Benjwong (talk) 21:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chinese wikipedia does not say 莫奇射 is an alternate name, but rather as a guide on how to pronounce the actual name. _dk (talk) 02:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: The term 莫須有 should be (The accusation) that is not needed/existed, which is rather common to also mean does not exist. The whole term 莫須有罪名 should be more like The accusation that is should not be forced or simply meaning accusing and penalising someone with no actual sin, like Jesus on the cross. MythSearchertalk 04:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't have to is basically the same as that is not needed.  I have translated it to also not existed is that if there is no need to be a crime, there might be no crime at all.  Even taking into account the different views we have here, the article is totally wrong anyway, I have changed it. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  01:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  莫須有 

message: Chinese Wikipedia has a discussion of 莫須有 which cites a couple of sources on this problem.  There is a good case for treating 莫須 as a rhetorical particle suggesting that you suspect something is so (難道沒有嗎, 應該吧), and there are a number of passages in various works where the alternative interpretation "x is not necessary" doesn't make sense.  Translating the passage from the Song Shi at issue: 
獄之將上也，韓世忠不平，詣檜詰其實，檜曰：「飛子雲與張憲書雖不明，其事體莫須有。」世忠曰：「『莫須有』三字，何以服天下？」
When [Qin] prepared to send up the case, Han Shizhong was furious.  He went to Qin and demanded the truth.  Qin replied, "Although the letter that [Yue's son] Yue Yun sent to [Yue's subordinate] Zhang Xian is not clear, it probably means something." Shizhong said, "How are you going to convince the entire empire with a word like 'probably'?" Rgr09 (talk) 05:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole translation can still be not necessary.  "The letter(s)... is/are not clear, but this matter is not necessary." Shizong said, "How are you going to convince the world with the words 'not necessary'?".  Here, the words for "necessary" relates to the making clear of the letter(s).  The situation is that the letter(s) is/are presumed to be criminal(since it is between those people) and it is not necessary to make it clear what those letter(s) contain.   Also, I will not use the word "furious" for 不平, it means he cannot settle with it/thinks that it is unjust, furious carry much more meaning in English about rage and anger to a point where one becomes violent.  —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  09:38, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on 莫須有 

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message: The Life section has no sources. Also, to put it bluntly, a lot of the article feels like it was written based on high school googling rather than being taken from the research of actual historians. Many of the sources that are used seem to be blogs. The page badly needs a cleanup.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 16:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
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