Talk:Iranian Georgians

message: I moved the page to "Iranian Georgians" because the previous title suggested that Georgians are foreigners who just live in Iran rather than actual Iranians.Hajji Piruz 19:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gagimarjos, Zende bashi. Of course Iranian Georgians are part and parcels of Iran and their history shows that they -despite their number- have played a cruxcial role in the Iranian statehood and its defence! 
babakexorramdin --Babakexorramdin (talk) 01:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  here are the translations:
Sopelea - good spelling is sopeli - = Village, but also called to towns notably to fereydunshahr. 
raseak - good spelling= Ras Ik= roughly what's up= How are you - 
me tsavel chons - me ts'avel chvens - I went  to our (s) [place].  Chon = chven in Georgian of Georgia
me meaghors chon ena daysthavlo -  Me miqors (miqvars in Georgian of georgia) chon ena davstavlo= - I like to learn our language. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: the Persons who have rated "Iranian Georgians" as a low-rated topic do not know the Iranian history. This article is also one of the better ref.ed articles. Moreover if ethnic groups are high-rated (Azeris and Fars/Persians were!) why not Georgians? Only a person who thinks of Allahverdi Khan, Emamgholi Khan, Manuchehr Khan, Rostam Khan, Shah Abbas,.... defeating the Afghans, conquering India, defense agianst the Ottomans..... as unimportant---> would think Iranin Georgian topic is unimportant. Well if this is their criteria and knowledge, the reliability of ratings of other pages are also questionable. 
Babakexorramdin 01:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The importance scale is based on how important a certain topic is to a general understanding of Iran, not a detailed understanding. Low is for articles that you dont need to necessarily know about in order to understand Iranian history.Hajji Piruz 06:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: for the same reason I said that. If you see that the  Kia-Rostami (with all due respect) uis highly rated, then I think an article in which such a key figures and their services to Iran are present deserve better. Babakexorramdin 10:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am not here to repeat myself. If you are the same guy as Pejman/Azerbaijani/ Anonymous/ Mohammed which one guy suggested, there is no need to discuss things with you. But if you are not no offense!Babakexorramdin 18:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am Azerbaijani (I had a name change). I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore, but you are preventing the categorization of this article with your POV editing and OR. Your breaking Wikipedia's rules.Hajji Piruz 18:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mr. Azerbaijani you are vandalizing the Wikipedia. I warn you stop your harmful behaviour. You are the reason why it is so difficult to contribute to Wikipedia. A guy like you with obscure agenda tends to divert anything related to Iran, rep. Azerbaijan, etc... having great disrespect towards Iranian ethnic groups other than his!I have nothing against rating. But anything from your hand is unrelaiable because I have great doubts about your level of knowledge Very Sad sad! You had my email so why not be a man and get things right instead of an online vandalizer?  Babakexorramdin 19:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  We are not talking about nationalism and whether its good or bad. I simply say that thing about the Safavid emmpire, the battle of fereydunshahr where the Afghans got dfeated (only mentioned here), and the figures such as Allahverdi Khan Undliadze, Emamgholi Khan Undiladze, etc... of of greater importance to understand Iran than (with all due respect) the film-director Kiarostami. As I know in what direction goes the Iran-Georgia Relations article. I wait and then will get involved. I think that they use the entries of Encyclopedia Iranica in it. generally speaking they are good, but there are some mistakes in them. It would be then hard to edit the text due to the wikipedia rules, in them quoting from an already existing source is better than fundamental research. But no problems I'll do my best. regards. 
Babakexorramdin 06:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text:  K. Hitchins is the entry in Encyc. Iranic; a good article but makes mistake at some points.Babakexorramdin 01:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  importance? 

message: Iranian Georgians are an ethnic group living in Iran. Today's Georgia was a part of Safavid empire in 17th century and Shah Abbas I relocated Georgians as part of his programs to develope industrial economy, strengthen the military and populate new built cities in various places in Persia including Behshahr and Farahabad in Sari County. Iranian Georgians, were Muslim, Christian,and Jews, who many converted to Twelver Shia Islam, by force or voluntarily in Safavid era. Although the contemporary living Iranian georgian community is Iranian Georgians, were Muslim, Christian,and Jews, who many converted to Twelver Shia Islam, by force or voluntarily Twelver Shia Moslem.  Muliani, S. (2001) Jaygah-e Gorjiha dar Tarikh va Farhang va Tammadon-e Iran. Esfahan: Yekta [ The Georgians’ position in the Iranian history and civilization],  Rahimi, M.M. (2001) Gorjiha-ye Iran; Fereydunshahr. Esfahan: Yekta [The Georgians of Iran; Fereydunshahr],  Sepiani, M. (1980) Iranian-e Gorji. Esfahan: Arash [Georgian Iranians] 
just see the way they edit. Such a hatred. I now think you are Israeli agents with an agenda because you declined the oppurtunity to quote and settle the issue. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 00:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: your colleague is spaming and vandalizng Iranian pages. Your support for him makes you as guilty as him. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 00:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  thank you for your honest comments. this is how Iranians get threated by people of your countries on a daily basis. BTW I never calimed to be litterate. Yes I am illiterate. Thank you.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 00:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is what I know There are no Georgian jews in Iran.There were once brought jews from historical Georgia to mazandaran (and probably some other places) true. However these people were not categorized as Georgians. the sources clearly distinguishes between 1- Armenians 2- Georgians and 3- Jews. Suggesting that the jews were not georgians but probably Tat (mountain jews). Ok? even if there existed once hypthetically georgian jews in Iran they are assimilated into Moslem persians/Mazandaranis. No one is remained jewish. I would invite you come with me in Iran in search of georgian jews. I really mean it. But belive me I did years of field work and I have not found one. All Iranian Georgians were Shia Moslems. But I tell you I welcome you to come with me and do fieldwork in the search of georgian jews in Iran.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 00:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Since I was called out by name I will reply: as I said on my talk page I was simply correcting spelling without regard or attention to the politics and  edit warring that was already in progress. I will take this moment to kindly remind the participants in this discussion to remain  civil and not make personal  attacks. Our (communal) ability to reach a consensus will be more enjoyable if those guidelines are respected. Peace. —Noah 20:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Noah Saltzman : your support of vandalism 

message: I think this whould do it and makes everyone happy. Aany more concessions mean lies and I am not going to write wrong information. This should stay: " Iranian Georgians are an ethnic group living in Iran. Today's Georgia was a part of Safavid empire in 17th century and Shah Abbas I relocated Georgians as part of his programs to develop industrial economy, strengthen the military and populate new built cities in various places in Persia including Behshahr and Farahabad in Sari County. in the 17th century the Iranian Georgians were Moslems and Christians. There were also Jewish migrants from historical Georgia, but there is no certainty about their ethnic origins. The contemporary living Iranian Georgian community is exlusively Twelver Shia Moslem. All Georgian Iranians all over Iran are twelver Shia Moslems and there is no other Georgian community of any other faith anywhere in Iran.[1], [2], [3]"  
--Babakexorramdin (talk) 01:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  last edit  

message: I think it would be best if this article would be moved to Georgian-Iranians because they are Iranians of Georgian descent rather than Georgians of Iranian descent. Also, most articles have the nationality the group belongs to at the end (e.g. Mexican Americans, Armenian-Iranians, Irish Canadian etc.) Parthian Scribe 02:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Georgian-Iranians 

message: The language of this article is unclear in some parts. I made a couple of minor changes to improve the language but left the ideas intact. The wording like "Regardless of their ethnicity" for example was unnecessary because there was nothing about ethnicity in the prior sentences.(24.130.188.108 (talk) 15:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was written on purpose like that. The thing is that while ago an uniformed POV pusher came up and claimed that there were Jews and Muslims among the relocated Georgians. The thing was that his source said that among the relocated persons from Georgia (and neighborhood) in the Caucasus were also jews and Moslems. It did not say that these were Georgian Muslims or Georgian Jews. It is also very unlikely. Only for the sake of compromise to that annoying person the sentence was made like that.  What is your solution for this problem? While it is very probable that there wer georgian Muslims among them, it seems not probable that there were Georgian jews (as an ethnic group) among them. It is more probable that the Jewish part was composed of the Tat speaking Jews. What should we do?--Babakexorramdin (talk) 21:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: which books? by the way Mathee, indeed an honorable historian, is not an ethnologist or an expert on the Caucasus. He probably meant Jews from Georgia(n) domain. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 02:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well there are some studies done. Those by Georgians from Georgia is often biased. Those by Iranian Georgians themselves are more fair. Rahimi, Sepiani and Muliani are Iranian Georgians. Their books are available in Iran and I have been told thaere are some copies elseweher, notably in Georgia. I doubt that these books are to be get in the USA. USA has posed a scientific embargo on Iran. No exchanges of scientific material is (offcially) allowed. After the detention of the Iranian scientists who wanted to visit a conference in California, also Iran has stopped to exchange with the USA things (officially). There is an entry in Encyclopedia Iranica about Iranian Georgians and if you search the journals online you may find some good articles. Surely I can help you to find them, but do you read and understand Persian? A reletive of mine has them all. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 10:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization and coherence of writing  

message: Hello,
Is it 100% established that Iranian Georgians primarily descend from these two groups? I was reading some further works by Rezvani (Rezvani, Babak (2008)'The Islamization and Ethnogenesis of the Fereydani Georgians', Nationalities papers. Publisher: Routledge) and he cites the probability that they could be the descendants of Georgians from northern area's of Georgia, based upon several historical sources and surnames amongst Iranian Georgians. Any take on this? Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 01:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it 100% definite that Fereydanis/Iranian Georgians descend from Kakhetians/Kartlians? 

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message: iranis kartvelebi means georgians of iran not iranian georgians  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miladlachinani0095 (talk • contribs) 07:57, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  iranian georgians is not correct