Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Archive 5

message: An essential part of a city's existence is its function. How operate its street maintenance, parks, water & sanitation, cemeteries, communications, and civil constructions? These bring invaluable information about everyday living conditions of any given agglomeration. Shouldn't these be included in the WikiProject_Cities definition as well? THEPROMENADER 12:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working to bring Dallas, Texas to featured article status too and I'm putting all of this into "infrastructure"... drumguy8800 - speak 19:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, just kidding, apparently that isn't even in the template list.  I'm not taking it off the article though -- i have it placed underneath Education and its subsections even have their own subarticles (or at least some of them do).  There also isn't a notable natives section on the Dallas page.. it seems like any notable native should be talked about in the History section or subarticle.  At the bottom or top of the subarticle, there can be a 'see also: list of important people from ___'  drumguy8800 - speak 19:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand the original posting correctly, you want to note what services exist and who provides them -- correct? If so, why not put that in the "Government" section, perhaps as a sub-sub heading? These seem to be government functions, and if they are performed by either the municipal government or some other authority, I think this would be the spot that a curious person would look for that information. If the section gets too big, it can always be calved off into its own article. That's my two cents, anwyay.Noroton 19:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  City Function? 

message: I have begun to split up :category:Infobox templates, starting with :Category:City infobox templates, which is, of course, of particular interest to this project. Circeus 00:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new cat to helpcotrol city infobox templates 

message: What do these links mean? They all resolve to the same place - Geographic references. Given the # in their links I imagine that they're supposed to go to footnotes. They don't. Loganberry (Talk) 15:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They used to be section id's (see this revision).  It looks like the update at 20:31, 4 February 2006 broke the links. It's now just a numbered list rather than linkable sections. --harpchad 16:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that editor partially reversed self immediately after that edit. The break appears with this edit. older ≠ wiser 17:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GR1, GR2 etc? 

message: Sarajevo is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality.  Sandy 23:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sarajevo

message: What is wrong with calling an unincorporated community a town? I understand that in some areas a town is an incorporated place but the dictionary also defines a town as something smaller than a city and larger than a village. Just because the word "town" has a legal definition in some places, does that invalidate the common usage of the word?
It really rubs me the wrong way to see a community that the average person would call a town called a census-designated place. Not only is it demeaning to reduce a community to a three-letter acronym but not always geographically accurate. For example, Bostonia is a neighborhood in El Cajon, California. The USGS locates Bostonia inside the city limits of El Cajon. However, the Bostonia CDP only includes unincorporated land and includes little of the area that people around here call Bostonia. So, starting the article with "Bostonia is a census-designated place" is just plain wrong (I fixed the article). Another example is Lakeside, California. The area that people identify as Lakeside is as large as the neighboring city of Santee. However, Lakeside is split into two CDPs called Lakeside and Winter Gardens. How can you start an article with "Lakeside is a census-designated place" when nearly half of the place people call Lakeside is not even within the CDP boundaries? On top of that, in the next census the CDP boundaries may change.
What's wrong with calling Lakeside an "unincorporated town"? It looks like a town and people call it a town. Calling it a town gives the impression that it's bigger than crossroads with a gas station and a convenience store but not as big as a full-blown city. I think it is more informative and much better than "Lakeside is a census-designated place". Rsduhamel 03:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue might have to do with thefactnumerous article were originally automatic generations by a bot using US census data? Also, Wikipepedia:Verifiability is involved. How do we source what is defined as part of  "Lakeside, California"? The census has the advantage of being relatively authoritative. Circeus 05:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is important to distinguish that whatever statistical data given about the CDP applies ONLY to the CDP. The local understanding of the area described by the same name as the CDP may differ in significant ways. This is especially true where a CDP adjoins an incoporated municipality. A portion of the area that is locally known by a name may lie within the incorporated municipality, but the statistics for the CDP do not include that portion. So, in sum, it is OK to edit an article and include details about the area as a community, but it is still important to explain that the place name is used by the Census to describe a CDP and that the statistics may not exactly correspond to the local understanding of the community. older ≠ wiser 11:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see nothing wrong with calling a community a "town" as long as it's very quickly made clear in the article that the "town" is not a place incorporated as a town. Perhaps we could even say "unincorporated town". I don't see anything demeaning in that, and it lets you use the word you want. Let's not confuse anyone however -- a newcomer to a community may be wondering where to find local services, for instance, and be confused by talk of a "town."Noroton 19:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd call it a "neighborhood," "area" or "district," especially if it straddles legal boundaries; "town" often implies a specific identity, with or without a governmental entity, and thus should be avoided. To use Rsduhamel's original example, we could have two articles, one about Bostonia, California (Census Designated Place) and one about Bostonia, California (neighborhood), with cross-references. --Orange Mike 00:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's wrong with "town" 

message: Dawson Creek, British Columbia is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 21:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dawson Creek FAR

message: Am I correct in assuming that, if you are going to add a "notable natives" section it should be limited to only the most notable natives, and should not omit anyone as notable as the people on the list (in the interest of NPOV)?  Am I also correct in assuming that, in the interest of article balance, these lists should be relatively short?  I would rather prefer not having such a section, but I am in a dispute with a new user who wants to insert several minor celebrities into an article.  Guettarda 04:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The more people there are in the list, the less useful it becomes. Sometimes the people are extremely minor, and sometimes they have no relation to the town beyond being born there and moving out at 10 years old, if that. There is a long discussion about this above, but there was no conclusion except status quo. There are uses for the list (see Concord, MA, which also has an extreme case of adding a minor person to a list of major persons), but in general it is just people adding favorite people to otherwise non-notable towns. —Centrx→talk • 06:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable natives question 

message: I've proposed a change to the appearance of Template:Infobox City, see Template talk:Infobox City#New look, more similar to template:Infobox Country which has generated hardly any comment.  This relates to my proposal at Wikipedia:Geographical infoboxes, which has also generated hardly any comment.  Feedback on both would be appreciated. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infoboxes, specifically Infobox City 

message: The current text of this article is disputed, comments and views are welcome and requested. See Talk:Cities in Ireland. Djegan 15:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cities in Ireland

message: What is the proper format/structure/template for the section titles for a U.S. city? I see two templates listed on the project page. Sorry if this is a stupid question.--Daveswagon 00:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I must be missing something because I only seen one.  Unless you are confusing template and infobox.  I think if you follow the format for section titles set up in Template for a U.S. City starting with History though External links, you should be fine.  San Jose is usually the example that is given for the infobox and it appears to have the section titles setup in a similar fashion.  There are no stupid questions; only stupid answers.  Hopefully that's not a stupid answer.  MJCdetroit 18:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proper format/structure for a city page

message: Piccadilly Circus is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 21:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Piccadilly Circus]]

message: I just wanted everyone to know that I'm most interested in helping to establishing best practices for city and city-related articles, and also recruiting more major cities to start their own projects.  I'm currently very busy with WikiProject Louisville and WikiProject Kentucky, but if there's any efforts along the lines of what I'm interested in, please let me know about them and I'll try to carve out time for them.  Thanks! Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 20:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why I joined

message: All,  I am working on my first city to try to bring up to the standards expected for cities on Wikipedia.  This article has come a long way from the time I started working on it.  However, I would like some feedback.  Could other project members please leave feedback on the Taichung City talk page so I can improve the page even more.
Thank you.  Ludahai 05:01, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on [[Taichung City]] 

message: Only 2 1/2 months after the last failed requested move, and after the failure of a bunch of other requested moves at San Francisco, New Orleans, and other cities, there is yet another request to move the article on the City of Los Angeles from Los Angeles, California to Los Angeles. I have emphatically stated my position. I think it is important that editors involved in this project also express their opinion on this requested move. This is at least the third attempt to move the Los Angeles, California article. Please go to talk:Los Angeles, California#Survey #3 to express your views.
There needs to be a well-designed survey of editor's views on the naming of city articles in the United States because there is a small group of editors who are determined to overturn the long-standing Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements)#United States guideline, even if they have to do it a city at a time (succeeded at Chicago, but recently failed at San Francisco, California, New Orleans, Louisiana). BlankVerse 10:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. --Serge 05:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move: Los Angeles, California to Los Angeles 

message: The city of Dundee is currently up on WP:FAC here, but its been requested that it gets a final copyedit from someone unfamilar with the text. Is there anyone here with the skills who would be willing to pitch in. I'd hate to see an article that otherwise appears so close to being promoted fail.  YDAM TALK 21:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit requested 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory.
The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 14:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Does anyone know where I can find high resolution satellite images that can be used on Wikipedia? From what I understand all of NASA's work is in the public domain but where do I find the images and how do I capture them? --Krm500 00:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A couple nice websites with NASA satellite images are http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ (although not all the images there are NASA, I'm not entirely sure about how to tell which are ok to use), and http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/ (which is a "near-realtime" archive of imagery from the MODIS sensor on the Terra and Aqua satellites; ..the site takes some time to figure out, but is chock full of imagery). Pfly 05:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satellite images 

message: There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. --Serge 05:50, 28 October 2006 
:This proposal would allow for articles on American cities to be located at Los Angles or Boston instead of Los Angeles, California or Boston, Massachusetts, bringing article titles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 18:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

message: You are very welcome to comment on this city-article.
Is it already mature enough to promote it towards 
FA-candidate-procedure? Thank you !Lear 21 13:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Berlin]]

message: Bath is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 19:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bath, Somerset|Bath]]

message: I would like to propose adding the web site http://www.thumbofmi.com (ThumbOfMI.com) to 4 Michigan counties - Huron, Tuscola, Sanilac and Lapeer.  Those 4 counties make up a region in Michigan called the "Thumb of Michigan".  (Look at a map of Michigan, it resembles a hand, those 4 counties are in the Thumb.)  The site itself is a collaboration of news headlines, from all 4 counties, on the main page along with a forum and chat room for residents.  It is a fairly rural and agricultural area, and even though the residents are spread out, they all know what's going on elsewhere in the Thumb.  Ultimately, I think the addition of the link to all the cities and villages in those 4 counties would be great, I'm going slow and am requesting the site be added to at least the 4 counties.  Thanks. Stasmi 20:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ThumbOfMI.com 

message: Please look at the note of mine on Talk:Journal Communications, and see whether they are doing this to places you watch, or if Talk:Jackson, Tennessee was an exception. --Orange Mike 00:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spamming by a unit of [[Journal Communications]]? 

message: I am wondering whether it is unkosher to place the following on the Chicago page to generate interest in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago.  I am going to be WP:BOLD and see if anyone has a problem with it.  Let me know if others have encountered difficulty with this sort of trafffic generation or if it has already been deemed inappropriate. TonyTheTiger 19:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traffic Generation Protocol 

message: I looked for this in the MoS but couldn't seem to find it anywhere.  Is there any sort of convention about how to link to a city when the state is also being included.  Would it be Corpus Christi, Texas or Corpus Christi, Texas, Richmond, Virginia or Richmond, Virginia?  —ShadowHalo 11:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on your purpose and the context. If you want to send people to the city, I'd say use Richmond if that's clear enough, or Richmond, Virginia if you want to leave no doubt which Richmond you speak of. --Orange Mike 16:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking to city pages 

message: Per the above question, where do I add new projects to this wikiproject?--Sefringle 00:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Where is the list of projects and requested editions?

message: I am having a difficult time citing sources in the sections/articles related to Geography.  I have searched many other cities around the world and it seems to be a common problem.  If anyone has any suggestions on how we can overcome this problem I would appreciate their assistance. Further, is the Geopgrahy section supposed to include climate data? Alan.ca 12:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography Section and Citing Sources 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: * How should Metropolitan Areas be categorized? (Census data is available for them.)
* Does anyone else feel that many city articles become too long and difficult to maintain and read? Alan.ca 01:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Open questions