Talk:Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

message: At least five mistakes found in Order of the Phoenix  -- Jim Regan 22:44 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:Most are quibbles, but the first (Harry sees thestrals only at the beginning of his fifth year) bothered me initially on reading the book. "My" solution was that the death that Harry witnessed that permitted him to see them was in fact Cedric Diggory's (at the end of the fourth year), not that of his parents, on the basis that an infant who has no clue what's going on can't really"witness" death.  I do think that's correct, and that the link has rather garbled JK Rowling's explanation. -- Someone else 17:37 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:Rowlin's explanation does seem strained... I always, more or less, assumed the images Harry saw of his parents murder were visons, and that he was actually laying in a crib where he couldn't directly see the murders. :Pkroll 18:11 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
It was Cedric's death that caused Harry to see the Thestrals because he was old enough to comprehend it, and he was affected by it in a different way than by the death of his parents. When his parents were killed, Harry did not know what was happening, nor did he have memory of it until he dealt with Dementors. However, Cedric died in the Goblet of Fire, and at the end of that book, Harry took the horsless carraige back to Hogsmeade station after Cedric had died, and didn't see the Thestrals. JK Rowlings explaination for this is that Harry was still in shock at that time, and only after months of dwelling on Cedric's death, and accepting the finality of it, did the Thestrals become visible to Harry. Apparently they are only visible to you after you have witnessed and mourned a death. On this note, could it be possible that some people - like Voldemort, who have witnessed many deaths, but have no love in their heart, might not see Thestrals? MM 8.17.05
:If I recall correctly, Harry did not actually witness his parent's death; all he saw was a flash of green light. His parents were out of sight when they were killed. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that he couldn't comprehend them, unless that's what Rowling said. bob rulz 14:47, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
the only error in the book I spotted was that when Harry and them were cleaning up Grimuald place, he stated that "Snape would have called this cleaning, but harry-" ect. But the book was pointing towards the refernce being more towards Sirius, when Snape had not been mentioned for several pages.
 FitcisiousOddwobble
How could Trelawney have know that Snape was evesdropping when she was in the middle of her prophecy trance? Trelawnley should not remember Snape at all! Either Snape heard the whole prophecy, or the prophecy was delivered halfway, Snape interrupted, then Trelawney resumed/repeated from the beginning. See HBP chp 25 seer overheard. Turidoth 00:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have the book at hand, but I think that Snape only caught the last part of the prophecy ("the one with the power to vanquish the dark lord will be born as the seventh month dies"), meaning that he had enough info to make Voldemort target Harry, but didn't know everything.  It is possible that Trelawney saw snape after she had given the prophecy. -Phi*n!x 15:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistakes

message: I'm pretty sure someone posted some of the book to alt.fan.harry-potter a day or so before the official release, it should be findable via google. --Imran 22:52, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I can say it was definitely on #bookz on undernet the next day - they even set up a separate #pottermania channel to deal with the demand -- Jim Regan 05:31, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Internet versions

message: Hey look! I got on the news!
(Cough)
Sorry, please ignore that. An external link in the article about the spread of pirated versions of OotP seems to be broken - it leads to the MSNBC main technology news page. If someone who's better at it than me can find the right news bit the link should be corrected - if not, deleted. -- Kizor 12:40, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  MSNBC article on unauthorized versions 

message: I removed the review by the Commmunist newsletter from the article, and indeed deleted the whole "Review" section. This is clearly misleading, almost purposefully so, and insinuates that the book promotes Communism or is condoned by the Communist party.
-Librarian Brent 03:46, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Review

message: I have removed the baffling jargon "programmatic non-interactive education" and a sentence which was presumably linked with it. I'd be surprised if one person in a hundred years has any idea what this means. If it deserves to be here, which I doubt as this is not an academic journal on educational theory, it needs to be (briefly) explained or else wikilinked to an article which does so. Calsicol 08:00, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It roughly means that Umbridge and all her Ministry friends were using a school programme that was, indeed, preventing them from learning, at least at a praxis level. I uderstand the use, but I also understand it adds nothing there. Maybe writen in a different way, elsewhere, perhaps it was acceptable. Good thing you did when you removed it. Jotomicron | talk 10:35, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Obtuse phrase

message: Hey I was thinking that perhaps the plot section could be merged into Harry Potter (plot) for the articles of the books. Some of the book articles have more lengthy plot summaries than the plot article, some less lengthy, and I'd like to try and make that more consistent. Any opinions? EvilPhoenix 03:16, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
:I'd also like to see that a more consistent. As I noted on the plot talk page, "the idea to write a general idea of the plot in the plot page and to have the long summaries in the individual articles seems good. I think this page is too long and not very well devised, because books are not equally described." But if the idea is, on the contrary, to have long summaries in the plot page, then I'm for it too. I'd only like to have consistency. --Jotomicron | talk 10:32, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The plot pages have been deleted, so that brings us back to all plot summaries being on this page.Sandpiper 16:08, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I've deleted the detailed plot. Some anon (22:18, 3 May 2007 76.189.76.207) reverted my deletion a few weeks ago. See my post below. ~MDD4696 23:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot synopsis 

message: Is the synopsis too long?  Couldn't it be a bit shorter, more like the H-BP one?  It just seems that if somebody wanted a brief overview of the plot, they might be put off by something that would take at least 5 minutes to read. --Whiteheadj 08:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the synopsis too long? 

message: * Some view this book as a commentary on the repression of free speech. Umbridge's punishment of Harry for talking about Voldemort and the banning of the edition of The Quibbler containing an interview with him support this.
* Some also consider that there are strong parallels between the wizarding world in Book Five and pre-World War II Europe. In both instances, a great war has already been fought. However, the loser of the first war has been regaining power and building an army. The evil ruler embraces an ideology that can be seen as racist (many of the supporters of Voldemort are obsessed with maintaining the "purity" of wizard blood). Many respectable and powerful citizens fall under his sway and accept his ideology. However, those in the Muggle world are unaware of the evil that is gathering, while those in the wizarding community are constantly fed placating rhetoric by the press (The Daily Prophet) and The Ministry of Magic. In a parallel with Adolf Hitler, even though Voldemort and his followers are obsessed with purity of blood, Voldemort is a half-blood himself.
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Thanks. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 02:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscellaneous remarks 

message: Shouldn't the images of covers only be for the English versions of the books since this is the English Wikipedia?  I think that the Brazilian cover should be moved to the Portuguese page and the French cover to the French page. -Phi*n!x 01:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Harry Potter#Foreign language cover images. Brian Jason Drake 06:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (now moved to Talk:Harry Potter/archive 4#Foreign language cover images) Brian Jason Drake 09:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Pages for The Gurg and Gurg redirect here, but I can't see any mention.  -- Beardo 22:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gurg ? 

message: In the article it says that it was the curse from Belextrix that killed him, when it was actualy going through the veil that killed him ("His eyes widened in shock", if he was dead his eyes coulden't widen) 58.172.36.4 02:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (1) We don't know that Kreacher has not/did not betray Harry.  (2) Not sure where you get the speculation about Sirius and Tonks from, but this isn't really the place for discussing rumour. --Dave. 16:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: re: (2):  Please see HBP ch 29 ... And the meaning of Tonks's Patronus and her mouse-coloured hair, and the reason she had not come running to find Dumbledore when she heard a rumour someone had been attacked by Greyback, all suddenly became clear to Harry; it had not been Sirius that Tonks had fallen in love with after all... --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 16:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I meant to explain that my point is that it's not relevant to OoTP, but to HBP - there's nothing in OoTP that relates to Sirius/Tonks.  I should have made that clearer. --Dave. 17:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's true.  As OoTP closes, with the Hogwarts Express arriving at King's Cross station, Tonks is standing with Lupin, and her hair, which arguably indicates her mood, is described as bright bubble-gum-pink ... gleaming in the sunlight.  She was clearly not especially mourning the death of Sirius at that particular time; a point apparently missed entirely by Harry.  Obviously something happened after that (ie: Lupin refusing to, well, whatever; unrelated to the passing of Sirius), that caused Tonks's depression and "mousy-coloured" hair.  So yes there is nothing really that connects Tonks and Sirius (in Harry's mind) until HBP.  --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 18:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sirius's death 

message: When was this book published? WHO WAS THE AUTHOR!? This article is massive, but is missing fundimental information! --83.67.100.40 22:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple information!? 

message: :*This can be either incorporated into the text or left out. John Reaves 22:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes section

message: "...Back home, Harry receives an owl letter stating he has been expelled from Hogwarts for performing magic underaged magic."
Note the usage of the word "magic" - it is evident that someone had typed "...performing magic" and that someone else had wanted to correct that mistake by typing in "underaged magic", but inadvertently left the first phrase, "performing magic", alone.
Since most of my edits have been of this nature so far, I thought I might just highlight this. --Starry maiden Gazer 14:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.  Thanks.  Now - is there a reason why you felt you could not fix the very-obvious typo in the article, rather than going to great trouble to document it on the talk page?  Just wondering...  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 15:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, T-dot. The reason why I had to bring it up on the talk page was because, at the time, no user was allowed to edit the page. --Starry maiden Gazer 14:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistencies in grammar and/or word use 

message: I've removed the entire detailed plot section from the article. The plot synopsis is sufficiently detailed to give readers a general idea of what the book is about, which is all that we are supposed to do. Wikipedia articles are not a replacement for reading the actual book itself! I can't stress this enough. Newbie editors don't seem to understand this. Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not if you are unclear about the kinds of articles that are appropriate for Wikipedia. Thanks. ~MDD4696 14:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detailed plot out of scope 

message: Someone has added an entire synopsis from a non-wikipedia source (I am pretty sure). But regardless, There are now two full plot synopses in the synopsis section. I have taken the initiative of deleting the first because it is not original to wikipedia. If anyone disagrees with this, then I have labeled my edition 'large extraneous synopsis deleted' and they can revert it. G.bargsnaffle 17:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  two plot synopses 

message: In the translation section "The German translation of this book is 151 pages longer than the English version." Well, OK. But we can't tell from the referenced links if that difference is due to language issues or typesetting. Actually, they come from both, but if the book is typeset in a different way than the other edition it is being compared to (and what would that be? British? American?), knowing the difference in page numbers is completely irrelevant. I was not too bold to remove it, but I think the quoted passage should go. 201.81.246.134 23:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guesswork 

message: User 312one keeps on changing the font colour of the title from orange to green and on a more serious note keeps on changing the image from the British version of the book to the American one. I have changed it back twice but soon the three revert rule will be violated. For consistency the British one should be used, which I'm sure is why it was there in teh first place. asyndeton 18:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image and name vandalism 

message: The article is a regurgitation of the plot of order of the phoenix, and has zero notability outside of the book. Judgesurreal777 22:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, should be merged in there.Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 06:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Merge - Smokizzy (talk); 16:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Merge, or I would say, just stick the most important information from that group somewhere, without creating a section for the Inquisitorial Squad itself. Lord Opeth 01:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge in inquisitorial squad

message: Lestrange is mentioned in the article as "sirius' godfather. This is a complete fallacy. For a start, she is female, secondly, i believe she is his cousin. i have edited the article accordingly. dodgeman666 23:35, 30 August 2007 (GMT)
dodgeman666 Bellatrix was origanally related to cissy malfoy. Cissy and Bellatrix were origanally Blacks. Bellatrix married Rodolphous Lestrange. So Rodolphous could have been Sirius's godfather. User:broncofreak12321  —Preceding comment was added at 02:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was talking about Bellatrix, not her husband. Anakinjmt (talk) 14:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sirius Black's relationship to Bellatrix Lestrange

message: There is no need to have a SPOILER ALERT in the plot summary.  The fact that it is a plot summary necessarily implies there are spoilers.  I am removing it. Stanselmdoc 23:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler

message: This merge  royally sucks.  The article on Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix provides just a few sentences worth of information on the subject; furthermore Dumbledore's Army appears and plays a vital role in the seventh book, not just the fifth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5465465 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Dumbledore's Army

message: Just a small thing I noticed. The word "gurg" redirects to this article but there's no mention of "gurg" across it. Might anyone remove it or am I missing something?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobbledygookie (talk • contribs) 09:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be something Grawp says in the book. Or, it could just be a random error. Anakinjmt (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the page history it was originally an article stating this this as a term used for the cheif of thwe giants. --70.80.168.204 (talk) 01:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Magical_creatures_%28Harry_Potter%29#Giants is a much better redirect.  Changing it now.  Thanks.  --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 21:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh wait - I cannot change the redirect.  Gurg is a Protected Redirect.  Need an Admin to do it.  --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 21:30, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK done.  --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 00:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "gurg" redirects here - why? 

message: Add a link to the film adaption. --tjrfs 22:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are links to all the books, film adatations, games, and soundtracks in the Rowling HP series, located in the  information box template at the bottom of the page. This template is (or is supposed to be) placed on all the respective pages.  --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 22:34, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: Where did Cho Chang go? 122.161.21.134 (talk) 11:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what you mean. Did she go somewhere in the first place? --WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 19:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cho?

message: Why doesn't this article has a "Reactions" section, like the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows article? If my memory serves me, the critic wasn't so good with this book as with past books.
A section of this should be added. --WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 19:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Reactions" section 

message: Is it REALLY the longest book? Can anyone give me the number of chapters of every book in the series? Thanks.  22:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Check the infobox, it lists both page numbers and chapters.68.60.111.239 (talk) 00:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest book in the series? 

message: Can anyone confirm which one is real, and maybe what the wrong one comes from. This edit is the first one to add a US book count,  and from my brief look through the history it didn't change until  and after that It had stayed there until now . So which one is the right one, and where does the wrong number come from? — chandler — 21:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Book count 

message: Section "Plot", second paragraph, I think some words are missing:
(...) and must face a disciplinary hearing. While the expulsion is quickly revoked, the hearing.
But sorry, I'm not fluent enough in english to rewrite the sentence ^_^
Pascal  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.99.81.218 (talk) 15:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing words 

message: Hi. I see this article is up for a Good Article nomination. I don't have the time to devote properly to it, but I did have some thoughts after a quick browse that might prove helpful in getting the article up to scratch:
#Antepenultimate is a great word and should be used more often.
#One of the refs is broken. Improper use of template, perhaps?
#Is the computer game an adaptation of the film or the book? I suspect the former, but the article does not say. Also, what year was it released, and there are some issues with date formatting.
#I feel the plot summary needs work. It seems to include many minor points, while the reputedly important aspect of Sirius' death is almost bypassed entirely. A careful think about what are the important parts of the plot to get across, rather than simply parroting every incident, might work better.
#The prose in the bit about the Czech translation doesn't read as well as it might.
Best of luck. GDallimore (Talk) 22:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The plot summary has been trimmed down a ton since I started working on the article, and I feel the information included is the bare minimum required.  This is due partly to the length of the book, and that much of the minor details included are very important in relation to later books in the series. I'll have to take a look at the bit about Sirius' death and work on it. Also, I fixed up the ref problems and the film section. Thanks for the quick review, Malinaccier (talk) 20:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The plot summary is a lot shorter in comparison to pages of the other books. It doesn't explain how they even got to the climatic situation. 78.149.114.165 (talk) 15:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some thoughts 

message: I have removed this section detailing the background leading up to this book. Anyone who wishes to have this information can read the synopses of the other pages, there is no need to repeat it here. -- Sage1314 (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backround Plot 

message: Gosh, is it just me, or are the disambiguation links at the top of the article verging on the absurd? I would say in the case of the postcode area or the baseball simulator that those respective disambiguation links could be make into branch articles without cluttering up the top of this article. I would be bold, but it's evidently been through a GA process without it being brought up. Rob (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation stuff 

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message: At present, under how the book was received, we have "Most negative reviewers were concerned with the violence contained in the novel and with morality issues occurring throughout the book" - but this only cites one review by Focus on the Family, which doesn't seem far-reaching enough to make a statement on what "most negative reviews" criticised the book for. If anyone knows of any negative reviews either from the time, or perspectives after its publication that are verifiable, it might be an idea to expand upon this section with some of those. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 21:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion on any negative reviews? 

message: I was just watching Order and in the early part they are all sitting at the kitchen table. On the wall behind them are China dishes. Dose anyone know if they have the Black family crest on them? Is there a possible close up on the decal on the plates? TYA 108.84.201.95 (talk) 00:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kitchen scene at order headquarters