Talk:Pickup truck

message: ...seems like a relevant ball mark figure.--SvenAERTS (talk) 13:06, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not clear what you are trying to say. Please clarify.  Stepho  talk  02:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consumption in l/100 km ? 

message: Someone's just added a Tesla Cybertruck photo to the gallery ... 'ere we go. My feeling is that the article should include present and past production vehicles only. Otherwise we're going to see rampant creep. Not sure if there's any WP policy on this. --Cornellier (talk) 22:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it is premature. But I also know that other editors will be adding it as fast as we can delete it. It was hard enough to keep the Trukla out when we had good grounds to stand on. But this one is in a grey area.  Stepho  talk  22:52, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

text: Exclude until it's actually being delivered to customers and even then it's not clear it should be included.  This is an article on the general topic of pickups.  Thus a class of vehicles almost as old as the mass produced automobile.  As a concept cat with no details and which might vary greatly when/if every produced why would the vehicle have weight for inclusion in this topic? Springee (talk) 23:59, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cybertruck 

message: , , I wanted to respectfully step into these edits [],[].  In context I don't think the Japanese trucks make sense in that paragraph.  While it appears the Japanese did have a 4 door pickup in Japan before the 4 door IH in the North American market, the context of that paragraph seems focused on the NA market.  The limited distribution of the Japanese trucks at the time would have had no impact on the migration of trucks from purely utility vehicles to a personal/work vehicle.  BTW, I'm also not sure I agree with the claim that it was the advent of the 4 door pickup that made trucks a popular personal vehicle.  4 door pickups were almost exclusively 3/4 or 1 ton models until sometime in the 90s (in the NA market).  The majority of the personal use pickups have been 1/2 ton models.  Perhaps things were different in markets like Australia.  Still, that is my OR.  Springee (talk) 02:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If the paragraph is concentrated on American pickups it is only because an American wrote it from an America perspective. As it was before I added the Stout a few years ago, it read like Americans were the first to implement crewcabs. This violates WP:GLOBAL. The other points I agree with you.  Stepho  talk  03:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah that paragraph is more focused on the NA market. I'll see if I can rewrite it to better express the development of the crew cab trucks, as I know that the IH Travelette was more a utility vehicle, that focused on a 6-passenger cab, whereas the later trucks focused on being a personal vehicle. I don't see an issue with adding the Japanese trucks, and they should be included. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 03:08, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.  Stepho  talk  03:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crew cabs for the family 

message: User:PhoenixBlitzkrieg has slapped a WP:CSB on the article. Is there evidence that the current state of the content is the result of systemic bias? Or is it a reflection of the available references? Or some other problem? Can PhoenixBlitzkrieg answer these questions and suggest ways to improve the article? Your goal is an improved article, not a tagged article. Please see WP:CLEANUPTAG for guidelines. --Cornellier (talk) 23:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a huge issue with the state of the article right now. Obviously there may be small improvements here and there, but thats not reason enough for a tag. If the user doesn't defend their inclusion for the tag, then it should just be removed. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 23:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Removed.  That tag is PB's only edit to the article and there are no current discussions on the topic.  I've removed the tag as unsupported. Springee (talk) 00:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  To me, the article seems exclusively talking about the pickup from a US viewpoint, apart from the brief mention of Australia and South Africa in the very first paragraph. The international markets section gives very little information about these cars in other countries, just what models are popular. I know these cars have been popular in other countries both now and historically, but the article barely mentions that. Generally, if I can improve an article, I will, but I know nothing about pickup trucks (which is why I came to this article in the first place). I saw a problem, figured someone better qualified than me could fix it, so tagged it. If I used the wrong tag, sorry. Lithium (talk) 22:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Systemic bias? 

message: In all over the world: Nope. Only in US and Canada, this vehicle is a "Truck". Wikipedia English isn't the American Wikipedia, and so it must reflect a worldwide view of a non-American subject. In Europe and most part of the world, Pickups called "Light commercial vehicle". Only in the US it is called "Truck". זור987 (talk) 12:18, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is a Pickup is a "Truck" or not 

message: and myself are having a disagreement over the term "truck". Some markets, like America, call them "trucks". But in many other markets (such my home in Australia), just plain "truck" implies something that carries multiple tons of payload (eg a Mack truck). So that's not a good term by itself. However, they are still cargo carrying vehicles with open cargo platforms. So while they may not be labelled in all countries as just a plain "truck" they are still technically trucks - even if they are tiny. Some markets call them just "pickups". But practically every market will recognise "pickup truck", even if it's not the preferred term. Since Wikipedia is a global encyclopaedia, a term that is recognised by the majority of countries is preferred over a term that is not recognised. "Pickup truck" covers the majority of markets.  Stepho  talk  12:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Americans often uses pickup trucks as real trucks with no cargo bed and have a truck like charger (Like garbage container like in a garbage truck). Others have open or closed cargo beds, and these are the common form of pickups in Israel and generally with non-American pickups, where they aren't considered trucks in that form. זור987 (talk) 12:30, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't this an WP:ENGVAR kind of thing? It should be left as it was. MrOllie (talk) 12:37, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

text: I think we need to correct a lot of automotive terms.  A "sedan" is a chair carried on poles.  A roadster is a light buggy with two wheels.  A truck is the part of a rail car that holds the wheels and axles.  A car is pulled behind a train and batteries are relevant to describe artillery not EVs.  All these articles need to be relabeled into things like the type of automobile named after a light single horse carriage and a type of automobile named after the part of a train car that includes the wheels and supports the load of the train car.  This will ensure we don't confuse crazy "modern" misuses of well established terms.  The only alternative is we accept that these definitions can be fluid and may vary by region but are typically not going to be confused even if they vary by region.  We might also accept that when these terms first came into being, before WW1 I believe, in automotive terms, a truck was a vehicle with an open bed for hauling stuff. When Ford released a factory bodied truck version of the Model T it was reasonable to see it as just a smaller version of the trucks that others were already producing.  Springee (talk) 13:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

text: 987, I don't quite understand what you are trying to say. In particular, I don't understand what you mean by a truck with no cargo bed or a truck like a charger. Perhaps you could point to some images of the type of pickup trucks you are talking about and the type that you see in Israel and supply your term for each of them. Then we can look for some something to agree on.  Stepho  talk  02:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

text: I agree. Given that "truck" is generally recognizable to most modern English speakers as being a vehicle designed for carrying cargo, I don't think it's an unclear term to use despite being associated with heavier commercial vehicles in some regions. Specifying "pickup truck" or "light truck" clarifies its size. A pickup box can be removed and a flatbed installed - it is now a "flatbed truck" even if it is a small one. Or, a utility box with storage compartments and a ladder rack can be installed, as used in an array of trades - in North America, that would still be called a truck. --Sable232 (talk) 19:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  truck 

message: The term pick up was for an attachment for the "model T" Ford the term pick-up became populur during the 1920's when you could buy an additio nfrom Ford ,and PICK IT UP at your local TRAIN DEPOT 209.193.54.43 (talk) 05:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a component that you "pick up" from the depot. It is not a pick-up truck. So it has no purpose being mentioned in this article. Otherwise we may as well add "pick up lines" for the dating scene.  Stepho  talk  09:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  pick  up