Talk:Mamdouh Habib

message: I agree that this article has neutrality problems, however I don't think that it is particularly dire. There needs to be a mention made of the 60 Minutes interview given on 13th Feb 2005. Also it needs to be mentioned that he has freely admitted that he was in Afghanistan but refused to say what he was doing there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gil-Galad (talk • contribs) .
: I do not think the neutrality is too bad, but mention needed to be made that the Government (Ruddock?, Downer?) has rejected Habib's allegations that an Australian official was present at interrogations and during some of his detainment in Pakistan. I have made a quick change to put the Government's rejection of this allegation, although have not added media references (see the Age, SMH) --Takver 05:55, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree regarding neutrality. While much more emotion could have been put in to make it even worse, which they did not do, there is a huge amount of unsubstantiated material. This article paints the subject as an innocent and the US, Egypt, Australia, and others as bad guys. It says there is no evidence for the author's guilt, but then makes no case for it or provides no reference. The article is highly biased for the subject and needs to be heavily edited by an objective party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.170.49 (talk) 12:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with article 

message: An unnamed contributor snipped the word mercilessly, and the sentence about Habib's allegations being consistent with other allegations of Egyptian torture. They didn't explain why they made the edit. I know, from my reading, that his allegations are consistent. So I reverted their edit. I snipped the word "mercilessly". It is a trigger that makes people think this article is POV. -- Geo Swan 11:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like that claim of consistency either. Says who? Some wikipedia editor's personal interpretation of the facts based on his own reading? Perhaps an expert would tell you they are actually not consistent because of some details joe blow wouldn't notice. While I'd bet the torture really did happen, use of original research to pound the point is not necessary. 69.226.148.228 01:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: mercilessly

message: The section describing an alleged abduction by Habib's son needs verification - a more suitable link, preferably back to the original article. Banno 19:30, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A variety of blogs have have excerpts of the article:
"THE son of an Australian al-Qaeda suspect held at Guantanamo Bay was" 1-10 of about 56
"involved in the abduction of a woman who was bound with tape and had her head" 1-10 of about 56
"shaved, a Sydney court heard yesterday." 1-6 of about 53
"Ahmed Mandouh Habib, 18, of Birrong -- eldest son of terror suspect" 1-10 of about 59
"Mamdouh Habib -- was charged in connection to the alleged assault at" 1-10 of about 56
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"The 18-year-old victim's twin brother, Islam Hassam, and a 15-year-old youth who" 1-10 of about 20
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"The youth held the victim while Hassam wrapped masking tape around her mouth" 1-10 of about 59
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"The youth and Hassam cut her waist-length hair to her neck, then shaved her" 1-9 of about 53
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"The woman moved out of the family home last year after a domestic dispute." 1-10 of about 60
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"Habib and Hassam were remanded on bail to Burwood Local Court" 1-7 of about 43
The original article  has been archived, citing copyright reasons. But they still have the article title "Prisoner's son charged with kidnap". Ideally I'd like to quote the original article directly, but I've done the best I can. Andjam 01:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family 

message: the 1990's section has a POV tone. Furthermore, unsuitable statements are made:
"Mamdouh Habib is a known admirer and supporter of the sheik"
None of these statements have any references either.
Should I go ahead and edit it? (Truth 06 13:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please leave your personal feelings out of this, you just revealed your true colours (Truth 06 14:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both of you, can you please talk about the article rather than each other? Thanks, Andjam 14:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV, no references 

message: The torture allegations section seem to contain hearsay & POV elements. I don't touch this article after seemingly being told I am biased, but perhaps someone could make it read more like an encyclopedia and less like a Socialist alliance home page.(Khanada 21:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please be a little more specific? Are there any problematic paragraphs or sentences in particular? Also, describing the allegations he's made shouldn't be seen as automatically agreeing with them. Thanks, Andjam 14:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV, no references 2 

message: On the Dean Park article, Habib is remarked as being a notable former resident... this article only states that he lived in Sydney.
Does anyone know where in Sydney he lived, and have a source which can be used on the Dean Park article if indeed he did live in Dean Park?
Thanks, Garrie 21:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to [[Dean Park, New South Wales|Dean Park]] 

message: "Mamdouh Habib (Arabic: ممدوح حبيب) is an independent political candidate in New South Wales, Australia, and a Muslim accused of terrorist links by the US administration and their supporters. He was born in 1956 in Egypt, moved to Australia in 1980, became a citizen there, married Maha, had four children, and taught Islam."
I am wondering whether the line "and a muslim accused of terrorist links" is misleading. He is a muslim and thats important. He was accused of terrorist links, thats true. But he wasnt accused because he was a muslim. And the line reads that way to me. Additionaly the "accudsed by the U.S. administration and its supporters" would be best to state his actual accusers. i.e Who actualy charged him. Any thoughts? Jampire1 06:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening sentence 

message: Replaced transcluded image with inline image -  tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption. Geo Swan 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{tl|npov}} tag as per dispute on [[Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption]] 

message: This is a WP:BLP. And BLP says "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space." Which I is what I'll do next. Replacing unsourced material in this biography will result in a notice being entered at WP:BLPN. SmithBlue (talk) 05:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP 

message: The URL for the transcript of this program is http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2004/s1157599.htm
WP:CITE#HOW says inline cites are needed for BLP (biography of a living person).
 ... 

may help with multiple cites of the same source. Must go. Will be back. SmithBlue (talk) 06:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four Corners 20/7/2004 

message: I removed "forced to listen to Howard Stern and watch the movie Private Parts repeatedly" or similar from torture section. This was unsourced, unsubstantiated, and, I believe, a tedious attempt at humour. Umasfeet (talk) 22:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed dubious torture 

message: Maybe worth to add to the article if someone has the time  IQinn (talk) 15:48, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mamdouh Habib's passport story 

message: Evidence to support these claims has not been made public, thus they have little or no value.[5] 
This assertion above was the most blatant of the biased views on this subject, and I have removed it. It MAY be the case that there are ethical problems with the non-divulgence of evidence, but it is plain wrong to say that it has "little or no value". Many government decisions, especially in matters to do with intelligence and security are in camera, and it is manifestly clear why that should be the case. Eric155 (talk) 04:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-divulged evidence has "no value"? 

message: Years later, there is extensive documentation, including the Torture Memos, books such as the reporter Jane Mayer's The Dark Side about extraordinary rendition, the ghost prisoners and torture of detainees under US custody; as well as accounts by other former detainees, such as Murat Kurnaz, to support Habib's account,as does the 2010 testimony by an Egyptian officer. The section of this article - 1990s - seems an earlier attempt to show why his complaints should not be trusted. But it is difficult to know how to summarize it all now and achieve some balance.Parkwells (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Books, media, Egyptian witness support Habib's account

message: I am astounded at this article's failure to reference the wikileaks article at http://wikileaks.org/gitmo/pdf/as/us9as-000661dp.pdf ... hard to believe it contains nothing of relevance. Mainperson (talk) 01:01, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  failure to reference wikileaks document 

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