Talk:Code Noir

message: Is it appropriate to have the full text in this article, especially the French version?  Surely that's what wikisource exists for?
--Benwilson528 11:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: when did this code cease? Kingturtle (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Briefly between 1794 (slavery abolished) and 1802 (slavery reinstated) and definitely in 1848 (slavery abolished again),though moderated by case laws less unfavorable to the slave between 1815 and 1848. 78.242.229.238 (talk) 04:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  end? 

message: The normal form of the work's title is "Code noir", as with "Code civil".  That is how it is spelt at the beginning of this article as well as throughout WP:fr "Code noir".  Would anyone object to changing to Code noir in the title of this article and throughout? Wikiain (talk) 23:28, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be standardized in English Wikipedia, that I agree with.  However, I'm not sure which way it should be.  Google's Ngram Viewer up to 2008 gives "Code Noir" as the most common occurrence in English, particularly over the past century.  Ngram viewer for Code Noir  That seems to be the treatment in the U.S.  French has a somewhat different handling of capitalization at times from what I recall.  This one is tricky since the term is used in both languages for the same thing.  I would likely leave both words capitalized in English, and the second lower case in French. Red Harvest (talk) 08:21, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for this.  Non-capitalisation of the second word would be normal in French:  e.g. "Code civil" (my specialised knowledge but also borne out by Ngram).  However, when your Ngram seach is done for French, "Code Noir" and "Code noir" are found to be trending equally.  I guess that this has to do with the politics of "N/oir":  in the same period, searching in French, "les Noirs" suddenly takes over from "les noirs" around 1940. In this light, I'm not so uncomfortable with the article as it is.  However, WP:fr has "Code noir" throughout and, while it is not a source, I'm inclined to take it as advice not to depart from normal French practice. Wikiain (talk) 23:20, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The name of a group of people normally isn't capitalized in French. One writes "noirs",not "Noirs", "français",not "Français." 78.242.229.238 (talk) 04:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Code N/noir 

message: Eamnonn:  thank you for adding and translating a subtitle.  But I have removed it, because it appears to be a publisher's book title of 1735 - not the title of the document of 1685, which is given in that book as "Edit du Roi, touchant la Police des Isles de l'Amerique Françoise" (Royal edict, concerning governance of the islands of French America)?  Yet that too may not be accurate.  André Castaldo, Codes Noirs (Paris, Dalloz, 2006), gives "édit du Roi, sur les esclaves des Îles de l'Amérique" (Royal edict, concerning slaves in the islands of America).  The 1723 title given there is different again.  Wikiain (talk) 02:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtitle 

message: What's about the 1738 declaration which stand that many people came to France, and which try to forbid to give freedom to those people, and which define rules to make them come back to those islands? (see gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65314428/f469.image )  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.193.106.208 (talk) 23:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  1738 

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message: There should be a citation for the information under the sections "Origin" and "In Pop Culture." NolanH (talk) 01:08, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations in Origin and In Pop Culture sections 

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message: This article badly needs attention, preferably from a native Engslish peaker. There is so much uncited/unencocylopedic content, and content that is just straight up gramatically incorrect and nonsensical. Ya hemos pasao (talk) 10:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a mess 

message: In the line: At this time, there were still at least two common law status applicable in Martinique : French status, la Coutume de Paris, and aliens one.
Coutume de Paris is linked to something that seems in context, kind of, but aliens links to a grape.  Surely some mistake? 92.26.182.215 (talk) 22:28, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aliens link 

message: Dear all, I am attempting to bring over some of the very good legal antecedent/history discussions from the French wiki page. I only envision replacing redundant and/or completely unsubstantiated parts of the English page with translations and sources from the French version. I will not be reorganizing the page, just fleshing it out and adding citations and sources where I can. Thanks. Enryonokatamarikun (talk) 22:36, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello all, I have continued to translate sections of and find refs for the French wiki (written by Code Noir scholar JF Niort at the University of the French Antilles) and have incorporated them into the English Wikia. I'm sure there are little errors here and there but I am pretty confidant in the work after having spent a year off and on reading the sources and all. The one thing that I feel needs a much greater development is the antisemitic aspect of the Code. It goes pretty unremarked by most top-notch scholars but all evidence suggests that it was a main concern for the writers of the original Martinican Code who were attempting to satisfy Jesuit demands to expel Antillean Jews since more than a decade before the Code. Thank you all. TLDR I added many helpful sections and removed nothing. Enryonokatamarikun (talk) 05:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding translations and sources from French wiki page on Code noir  

message: Why was the aforesaid imaged taken off.. French PR? 2A00:23C7:2B1F:4801:4855:D097:9082:F72B (talk) 22:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Next time please provide a diff of the edit, or at least a link to the file in question. I can find no such image having been removed. There was an image replaced by user:Crawdad Blues  four months ago  because the page in the image is already used elsewhere the article. I'm assuming that is the image the IP is concerned about, even though I see no "sadistic contraptions forced on to his face" and the image was actually added rather than being removed. Meters (talk) 00:14, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, unless my reading of the history is mistaken, the article never contained an image of any human being at all until I added a photo of the 1743 edition of Code noir a few months ago. That edition, unlike the 1742 edition, does have a small image of the head and shoulders of a black man on the title page. It is still in the article today, although as User:Meters says, there is no "sadistic contraption" on his face, nor is there any image with such a contraption in the Code noir category in the Commons. The IP is obviously confused, but whatever they saw and wherever they saw it, it was evidently not here. Crawdad Blues (talk) 13:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Put back the Code Noir poster /image of the young black man with the sadistic contraptions forced on to his face.