Talk:Pwn/Archive 1

message: Rough consensus to keep as is. VfD notice removed. Deletion debate archived below. -- Cecropia 01:32, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The fine print at the bottom of that says they got it from here. Goplat 23:52, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They get everything from here...Dustin Asby 07:53, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Archival content

message: I removed the "rhymes with zwn" from pronunciation. Google and Dictionary.com have nothing on zwn as a word. It's not a very helpful pronunciation guide if there's no indication how to pronounce zwn.—Rory ☺ 00:07, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)
:I totally agree wit this point and in general, I really like this article. I think that this is the kind of thing that makes wikipedia really good. It is clearly documenting and explaining generic information that will take years to make it into any written encyclopedia. --Jpittman 15:55, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: puh-OWN. Or at least I do. I've never heard any variation on this. 76.180.120.161 03:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: zwn

message: Added  as the additions of more and more etymology and variations are making a quite good article less so. mordemur 12:03, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: cleanup

message: Recently on the MMORPG Runescape I have seen it often used in the form "Pooned", and even more recent I even saw it on the MMORPG Rose Online. This could just be a small group of people originated in Runescape, or even a completely different word in it's own, so rather than edit yet I'm wondering if anyone else has seen evidence of this? Jimbobsween 04:42, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've use pooned/pooning/poonage and I've never played those games and, in fact, don't personally know anyone who has so I can't really comment on it's meaning for those communities.  I just use it because that's how I pronounce pwnd when talking IRL.
Also, on the Kingdom of Loathing radio show 120 Minutes With Jick and Mr. Skullhead, "pooned" is used quite often. This is where I picked up the habit of pronouncing it. This seems to be a web RPG thing. --Eventide 13:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pooned

message: This is a pure waste of my time, but okay, since there are people who don't know what Google is:
*Pwn3d 38 300 results. Just an example of what you've been removing. E|t
*Al Capwned
**It's been used 174 times in total, or hardly at all. --W(t)
*Post-Pwned
**Lots of hits for someone with the nickname post-pwned and a couple of posts that are pwned. --W(t)
*Pwnz0r
**Exactly 11 unique hits. --W(t)
*Tehpwnzor
**174 hits, nearly all for people with that username. --W(t)
*Pwnt
N00bzorz:another newbie way of saying n00bzzzz
**None of these seem to have anything to do with the word in this context. --W(t)
***Yeah. You're right. I'm pretty sure you checked all 26 000+ results too (irony). Anyway, that just about rendered your argument useless. E|t
*Pizwn3d
**4 hits. --W(t)
*WTFpwned 7 040 hits
Look, I don't have time, nor will to list up ever single one of them. Use Google. Google is your friend. And stop reverting. This is a good dictionary for words like these: Qwned EliasAlucard|Talk 16:22, 16 Jun, 2005 (UTC)
:Urban dictionary is a terrible source since every possible neologism is added to it by people wanting to push "their" word. --W(t) 14:33, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
::Bad argument. You think pwn is a real word? It's as much fake as any other word people are "pushing in the urban" dictionary, and the derivate words in this article. Words such as pwnz0r are pretty standard. I'm reverting back now. If you cannot prove that the usage of these words do not occur, then stop reverting. These derivate words aren't supposed to be established standards in the gaming vernacular. That's the reason why there are such few hits on some of them. Stop reverting. You're destroying the article when you're removing knowledge from it.
::Even Micro$oft has acknowledged the existence of the derivative word pwn3d which you so brilliantly removed . So far, I've given a lot more proof about you being wrong. So I'm asking you kindly: stop reverting.
::EliasAlucard|Talk 17:10, 16 Jun, 2005 (UTC)
:::OMGWTFBBQ! :)  — Rickyrab | Talk 02:09, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I hardly think that "pwn3d" counts as a derivative word, since it's just a, er, normal word fed through a leetspeak filter to change the 'e' into a '3'.  As for the rest of that list, it's really starting to get ridiculous.  Most of those words simply aren't commonly used (and in many cases, not even remotely so) in the parlance of the culture which spawned the word "pwn".  See Wikipedia:Neologism.  --Dachannien 21:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think the list of derivative words is a bit ridiculous. Some derivative that is used a couple times on some internet forum is not encyclopedic knowledge. In particular, I've commented out "tehpwnzriate", "klwned", "paedwned", "oregapwned", "owntehpwnsord", as I couldn't find any google hits for it that weren't Wikipedia and clones. Wikipedia isn't the place for original research. If anyone wants to find a suitable third-party reference for any of these, feel free to add them back. Other words I found dubious: pwnaggio (1 non-Wikipedia hit), chizowned (1 hit), and pwnacity (2 hits). Colin M. 22:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, "modus pwnened" gets no non-wikipedia hits on Google; the variant "modus pwnens" does get hits that all seem to be some guy's username on Slashdot and other web forums. Colin M. 00:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference for the omniscient Weyes

message: It is my understanding that the word "pwned" is a constraction of "owned" and ":p" which is a smiley wiggling his tongue at someone. I saw the word ":pwned" before "pwned" in online FPS.
* I've never heard that before, myself. - Stoph 03:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pwned as a contraction  

message: someone revert plz --Skuld‡ insult 19:14, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: While it's inherently difficult to source things in online gaming culture, statements like "adopted by practically all online gaming communities" are just inexcusable. Anyone watching this page want to take a crack at it? nae'blis (talk) 20:51, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with your first statement. There is, as far as I'm aware, no definitive work on the topic of video game sub-culture slang. Do you have suggestions? At this point, I think the best source for such a statement would be the direct experience of a wide range of Wikipedia editors who have not reverted such statemets (I would certainly agree that gamers of all stripes that I have known use the term). -Harmil 10:05, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  And most of the people I know who play computer games (who are generally over 21, and not playing in LAN parties/i-cafes) don't use it. YMMV, but that's why I'm objecting to the overgeneralization. Also, I want a source on the "those bears totally pwned those hunters" comment, which seems forced, to say the least. nae'blis (talk) 19:58, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try to find some decent sources for this. I agree that some of the info here should be removed BUT realise that Wikipedia probably has the most extensive parcel of info on "pwned" on the Internet now. The real issue is seperating what's needed and accurate and what's not.--Mike 02:49, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources, plz? 

message: I renamed this section "Notable derivative words" to emphasize that this is not the place to add every derivative of "pwn" you can possibly think of. Otherwise the page would end up with many dozens (maybe even hundreds) or rarely-used "derivatives". My suggestion is that only commonly-used, well-established words should be listed in this section. "Commonly-used" means at least a couple hundred independent Google hits. "Well-established" means it's been been in wide use for at least a couple months. "Derivative words" that do not pass these two tests should not be included in this article (but feel free to start a List of words derived from pwn if you really feel that every use of pwn needs to be noted somewhere). See also Internet slang and List of internet slang. Colin M. 23:40, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derivative words 

message: After being around online gaming, and communications for decades:
I would speculate that Pwn, is word of t337 speek, and t337 came from warez and piracy.
Its common usage now is in PK(PlayerKiller)fights on online games. 
The z at the end of warez, probibly was a play on words like smileys :P, using ASCII character sets. ( `>8-<-< = Robin Hood )
The use of ASCII character sets for art was popular on BBSs in the 1980s.
Which probibly originated with the use of ASCII, as graphics for the computer game Rogue '@'.
Rogue was developed to test TermCapabilities( TermCap ).
The only thing I remember that resembled ASCII art before Rogue,
would be a rotating line, with 4 ASCII characters '-', '\','|' and '/'.
and pictures printed ( large scale multiple sheets ) from line printers.
I would say that of any word in t337 speak, pwn is probibly as important as the rest of the language, with the exception of the word 'warez'.
WTF is "teet" speak? Don't you mean 1337?
( SHOOT ME. I looked for warez on wikiPedia...! )
( warez is NOT a contraction of warehouse! Noooo )
You should have been there...but mabye not. --Artoftransformation 12:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like a lot more time went into than was necessary, but all the same, thanks for the good read.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 16:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: *I am in complete agreement as to the source coming from player-versus-player conflict.  MUDs that allow player-versus-player fighting are called "PK" muds.  The information stored about a player is a player file, or "pfile".  Killing another player is called a player kill, or "pkill".  Killing something in a fashion so overwhelming as to go beyond the connotation of "kill" was referred to as "owning" it.  Using the same derivation of the other words, "owning" was for mobiles or non-player charcacters, and "powning" was for players.  As in "he didn't just pkill him, he powned him".  This also relates to pronunciation, in that the "p" is an abbreviation for player, so it should be pronounced as "p-owned".
The point of it was to hopefully update/add to the main "pwn" article. : )
I was/am presuming that changes are posted here, for approval into the main article.
I can reformat/edit the above text in several ways, or whatever, just let me know.
I've been "online" since the mid to late 70s in many different aspects/ways.  Just discovering how voluminous wikipedia is, and starting to get hooked : )
PS-the pronunciation I've typically heard (in person, on voice chat, etc) is /pee-ohnd/
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.144.181 (talk • contribs) 
we've been having a long standing issue with verifiability on this article. While for the most part I think that WP:NOR and WP:CITE are being taken a little to seriously here, and that WP:IAR should be considered to a small extent, I am starting to agree with BRIAN more with respect to verifying as much of the information as possible before posting it.  It might be of interest for you to create an account also, its free, easy, provides added anonyminity(sp?), and makes it easier to track/have discussions about edits.  Also, if you have a signifigant interest in editing this article, you might want to take a quick breeze over the rest of this talk page, noting some of the more recent verifiability and source discussions.  Oh, and welcome to Wikipedia.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 19:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: And that there is exactly the problem. Everyone and their mother thinks they know the origin of pwn, there are almost as many stories about it as there are articles in Wikipedia. It's impossible to know which one is true. Heliomance 13:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think its because ppl missspelled own, since p is next to the o... - 69.248.175.25 23:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Pwn 

message: Am I the only person who thinks the picture for this page makes no sense? Apparently someone was Pwned, but the picture doesn't illustrate that fact in any sense I can think of.--Mihoshi 20:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Too bad this article didn't get pwned in the vfd. :P The Wookieepedian 19:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OOOoo, pwned. --Shadow Puppet 20:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bah! 

message: I would propose that as a criterion for a theory's inclusion in the "Theories of origination" section of the article, that theory must have the verifiable support of at least two distinct people. I believe that this would reduce the size of that section substantially. - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 02:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theories of origination 

message: A friend of mine (and a quite reliable source) said that the phrase "pwnd" was coined by himself and a few friends in Starcraft in 1998.  It was used as a term in online play, particularly in sniper, to describe the action of patrolling areas for enemies to gain an advantage.  Since the hotkey for patrol is the letter "P" and you would own someone by using it, the two were put together as patrol own- in essence, pown.  After a while, it worked its way down to simply pwn, which is what is used today.
<BR>If anyone is wondering, the people who credit themselves with this are named in the Starcraft community as gotunks2 and lukefrenz.
<BR>I believe that this is quite reliable myself, as I do have two sources (one of which doesn't even live in the same state and I do not know, so I can say it's not a scam), and the other descriptions of the origin (especially the Warcraft designer's theory) don't contain any sources or links to interviews or the like.  And if the story about the designer is true, then there would have to be some written proof somewhere.
<BR>- Canadian_nazl (talk - contribs) 07:16, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many several theories regarding the origin, and it would be a mistake to cite one source as more reliable over any other without specific citable evidence.  I am going to edit accordingly, if anyone objects please revert, but only if you are willing to defend your reversion.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 23:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found this on IMDB - http://imdb.com/title/tt0217061/trivia  "... Starcraft first made use of the word "pwned", which is popular with Internet users. It came about when a map designer misspelled the word. Then the game was published with the error. When a player had been beaten, the message "______ has been pwned" appeared..." 82.60.131.198 23:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Source of Pwnd in Starcraft

message: There are no verifiable or reputable references for this article; therefore adhering to Wikipedia policy just like the user "Viriditas", I must target this article for deletion because it is "original research" and cannot be verified. If you have questions about this decision, please contact Viriditas. Haizum 06:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not blank Wikipedia articles.  And, please do not disrupt Wikipedia to prove a point. --Viriditas 06:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:POINT. --Viriditas 06:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

text: First of all, please dont create seperate Re: sections everytime you reply.  Please leave it in the existing sections using appropriate indentation like everyone else.  Second, this article does not qualify under original research. See HERE. While that section does not completely encompass the scope of this article, it would be an appropriate guideline.  As for the theories regarding the orgigins section, so far every theory I've seen there sports some large form of following and consensus, and absolutely none have been given documentable proof over another as either first use or even occuring at all.   --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 17:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Verification

message: There seems to be an issue with this.  If anyone isn't sure what pronounciations are used, especially most commonly, see for yourself.  Go onto a CS server, or any other game with voicechat, or hang around teamspeak channels.  You will definitely see that the current statements regarding pronounciation in the article are correct.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 15:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of all of the pronunciations, how would that one make any sense? Where is the 'y' sound coming from? Avengerx 20:02, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that it can reasonably be pronounced as 'pewned' (Yes, pew + -ned). I also believe that there must be at least one other person who agrees. --Javguerre 
thats the problem with an article like this.  Too many people want to put in "their two cents" and no one wants to realistically look at the big picture.  A word is pronounced exactly how society pronounces it.  No one's going to argue that dog is pronounced "doog" because everyone knows better.  Someone probably pronounces it that way but the majority of society doesn't.  --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 01:50, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: I scratched the old "pwn" picture and put in this new one.  I think this one defines "pwn" more clearly James 10:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The New "Pwn'd" Picture