Talk:Kurta

message: I thought I knew the difference between a kameez and a kurta, but now I'm not sure at all. The websites advertising Indian clothing USUALLY call a top for women a kameez, and a top for men a kurta, but there are also a number of sites that use kurta for women's clothing (neologisms like "shorty kurta" abound). Info from a native informant would be useful. Zora 18:58, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not a native informant but i've read on one of the websites that the difference between them is that the kurta is looser while the kameez is more fitted. That's not too much but maybe helped a bit:) Nóra 22:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think Nora is right. For women, a kameez is more form-fitted, often tailored, with its cloth/color etc. chosen to match the salwar or churidar; a kurta is looser, doesn't always reach down to the knees, and often made of different material (muslin, hand-loom fabric).  For men, a kameez is more like a long western style shirt with (sleeve) cuffs and curved bottom (usually half-open in the front, i.e the buttons go down half way), and the material used is more likely to be cotton, often matching the shalwar; a kurta doesn't have cuffs, the bottom is cut straight (horizontal), and materials used are more likely to be muslin, silk, hand-loom fabric.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Kameez is an arabic word used by sindhis when they were under occupation of Arabs hence used mainly by north western indians/pakistanis, they adopted arabic word for their Kurta, kurta is a persian/sanskrit word which was originally used by indians even before the occupation and has been attested in several sources including al biruni, there is no difference other than being the names. Kameez usually has folded collar and buttoned sleeves and kurta has mandarin/nehru collar, other then these these minor difference i dont think there is much other difference. In India they rather call it kurta and in Pakistan they call it kameez. 202.188.44.54 (talk) 19:06, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, when worn the the salwar, the dress is also called the salvar kurta in many localities. I've created a redirect for salvar kurta to shalwar kameez as the two are synonyms (other than the kurta being collarless). I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 06:52, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I added "salwar kurta" as an alternate term on the shalwar kameez article but it was recently removed by User:Fowler&fowler. There is a discussion about this taking place at Talk:Shalwar kameez#Shalwar Kurta should any of you wish to participate. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 23:07, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Kameez or kurta?

message: I have included a number of photographs of kurtas, both modern and historical.  The modern photographs have close ups of different styles (and buttons). Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: why is there a Persian or Arabian kid representing Indian clothes. We are not the same as Arabians and Persians it makes people think that we are the same. When our cultures are totally different......pictures should be changed to an Indian because there Indian clothes  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.60.94 (talk) 12:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many suppositions here: that the "kid" is Persian or Arabian, that the apparel is Indian (and not, for example, also Pakistani and Bangladeshi), and that a person modeling the clothing has to be from the "nationality" that the clothing item is most identified with.  Can you find any Wikipedia policy that suggests this?  Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Photographs

message: Doesn't the term 'Punjabi' refer to Kurta's as well? Wiki-uk 17:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think in Bengali (especially in Bangladesh/East Bengal) it is the same thing as a Kurta.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Term 'Punjabi'

message: First of all why does almost everyone on the page wearing a kurta look white. Its that Persian boy? Second of all are you a white guy that thinks he knows everything about India? Third of all the picture you removed was a picture of me, taken by my camera from a March Masti festival, so why did you delete it? Perhaps you could give it a little make over with more modern Kurtas, like ones worn in Bollywood films or festivals, instead of just temples.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thai guy 01 (talk • contribs) 01:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the model is indeed a "Persian boy," as you conjecture, then it is historically meaningful, since the Kurta (both the garment and the word) originated in Persia.  I have answered your question about the image on your talk page.   It doesn't have meta data and is too low-res.  Wikipedia is different from flicker.com we can't put our images there simply because we want to.  The images need to be "encyclopedic;" in other words they need to illustrate clearly and informatively what is in the text.  Your image, unfortunately, doesn't do that.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions 

message: In mid-September user:Acsenray added "also called 'Panjabi' in Bengali" to the lead sentence of the article in this edit, one which I noticed only earlier this morning and which I reverted.  My rationale for reverting the edit is simply that in Wikipedia we provide alternate names in English, but not those in other languages, otherwise the lead sentence in Trousers could become prohibitively long.  He has since reverted my edit with edit summary, "Fowler: Your comment seems almost laughable in an encyclopedia where foreign names are given everywhere, including in this article - should the Urdu, Hindi, and Bengali renderings all be deleted?"  
I am not sure  I understand his/her comment.  Providing (vernacular) scripts for vernacular words that have made their way into the English language is done in Wikipedia by common consent.  (That "kurta" has made its way into English is not in doubt; both the OED and Webster's Unabridged have entries for it.) It's another thing altogether to introduce into the text words in other languages.  Why, after all, should speakers of the two dozen odd other South Asian languages also not add their words for "kurta?"  In his latest edit, user:Acsenray has compounded the error further by boldfacing "Panjabi", and thereby suggesting that the page name "Panjabi" redirects to Kurta.  Panjabi, however, redirects to Punjabi language.  
However, I went back and checked OED for "Panjabi," and it does have an entry (as a garment), similar to "Punjabi suit" for "Salwar kameez."  In keeping with the precedent established on the Salwar page (by user:Zora almost two years ago), I am moving the reference to "panjabi" to a later sentence, and providing the OED reference.  I have created a page Panjabi (garment), which redirects to Kurta.  Also, I am removing the Bengali script in the lead. The word "Kurta" was incorporated into English from Hindustani language = Hindi-Urdu and it has Persian provenance.  There is no reason for the Bengali script to appear there.  However, if someone can provide the Bengali script for "panjabi," I will be happy to add it to the later sentence; better yet, they can do it themselves. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PS Apparently, I seem to have myself forgotten what I wrote above a year or two ago.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Panjabi

message: Dear , I'm afraid I've had to run my red pen through most of the article because, respectfully, I believe you have been engaging in original research and synthesis.  You seem to be the major recent contributor, but I haven't taken a careful look, so if it is not you, please accept my apologies. But in any case, we cannot do the kind of somewhat obscure research as I just removed.  Our statements have to come out of scholarly recent work on clothing in India, not dated unreliable work of Ghurye (from 1951), or from district gazetteers, which have been found by searching for some specific words on Google.  The regional styles section is not only unencyclopedic, but is also listy.  Please reduce it to at most two paragraphs of descriptive prose without subsections. Please read List dos and don'ts. I hate to run a red pencil through someone's hard labor, but this is really not encyclopedic.  Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:44, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have condensed the regional variants section to two paragraphs as suggested above. (Malikhpur) 09:12, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:41, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:SYNTHESIS]] 

message: unsurprisingly user:Fowler&fowler has added some western/ columbia uni sources that hindus used unstitched clothing before arrival of muslims, while he has completely ripped off pre islamic gupta painting and sculptures presumeably to prove this point and im tired of restoring them again and again, but questions must be raised even for these western claims, since there are plentiful pre islamic paintings and sculptures indicating otherwise not to mention western art historians commenting on indian paintings and dressing depicted in ajantha paintings for instance. Should we really honour such dubious claims in light of such clear evidences? 175.136.101.184 (talk) 04:35, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:   Fowler&fowler's dubious western sources again 

message: Please read MOS:OVERLINK.  I'm sure you mean well, but please do not wikilink ordinary expressions such as "northern India."  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overlinking 

message: Why are you repeatedly adding "Indian subcontinent" when the correct term by consensus in the sources, especially the primary modern dictionary on Commonwealth/Indian/British English, the OED, is South Asia?  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeated addition of "Indian subcontinent" 

message: here is his previous edits where these references were mentioned and until recently scraped  Hammy0007 (talk) 11:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  FF removal of references mentioned in his own edits, the user is trying to back track article to his favoured versions 

message: I see many people say Vietnamese Ao Dai is similar to Kurti, and also name it "Vietnamese kurti". Can we consider ao dai as a form of kurti originating from Vietnam? 27.3.1.42 (talk) 10:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Vietnamese Ao Dai considered a variation of Kurta/Kurti?