Talk:Cardinals–Cubs rivalry

message: For a long period, this was an amicable rivalry until the Dusty Baker/Tony LaRussa years produced a turning point on animosity. I think the article could be expanded to include this maybe even with a time line of key events throughout the rivalry.205.157.110.11 14:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Friendly" Rivalry

message: We have the running total on the Win-Lose Series and mentioning of World Series & recent NL Central pennets but maybe we should also branch to include a chart with # of HOF, # of Playoff games/victories, Major Award winners, and maybe even some acculmated stats, etc. This would take the work of a hard core stat geek and someone more knowledgeable about wiki-code. But we can start to put the information in and maybe someone will follow up and make it look pretty. 205.157.110.11 14:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison Points

message: I edited the statement that the Astros and Cards shared the division title in 2001. MLB only awards each division to one team. There's no sharing.Politician818 14:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sharing a division title?

message: The article starting to look really good. Is there anyone here who is knowledgable about copy rights & public domain that could add a few pictures? Obviously the two team logos would be good, maybe the cover of some of the books Agne27 referenced? A picture of Hornsby could also work since he played for both teams. I've looked for a few but I don't feel comfortable about my knowledge of copy rights and what is allowed and not allowed. Also is it good Wiki-etiquette to use pictures from other Wiki articles. I would assume they are copy right safe (because of the GDFL) what is the proper format to do that? I mean do we link to the article, etc. Thanks again to everyone who has helped! 205.157.110.11 20:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anyone have Pictures?

message: The recent anon edit that added in 2001 the Astros and Cardinals were declared co-champions of the NL Central, based on their identical regular season record. Due to the fact that the Astros edged the Cardinals in head-to-head games, 9-7, they were seeded as the division winner in the post-season, and the Cardinals were seeded as the wild-card. is word for word taken from the hall of fame website that I previously quoted. The footnote references the data not the actual word. If the author wants to directly quote it, he/she can rewrite it to properly reference it.
In my opinion, the previous version was sufficient because the reader could follow the footnote for more information if they like. In an article references the Cubs-Cardinals rivalry, the exact post season seeding of the Cardinals & Astros for a particular post season whose outcome was irrelevant for both teams. The only relevant point was the comparision of divisional success between the Cards & Cubs--all the other info is white noise. Now, in the National League Central Article, those details are highly relevant because of the scopre of that article. They're just not needed here. I will give the original author time to revert/reword his edit before I make changes myself. Agne27 16:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the anon editor hasn't revised the text to remove the plagarism, I essentially reverted it back to it's original form.Agne27 23:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor Plagarism

message: This is an article about the Cardinals-Cubs rivalry.  Why is there a paragraph about there relationship to the Mets?  It should be removed, which I will now do. Timpcrk87 02:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ?Mets?

message: It's been pointed on the Wikiproject Baseball that the I-55 series (at least the name) is not well known outside of the two markets. Maybe it's worth considering a name change?
For notability reference...
*Cubs-Cardinals Rivalry in quotes gets 757 ghits/ 2 ghits in Google News.
*Cardinals-Cubs Rivalry in quotes gets 885 ghits/1 ghit in Google News
*Cubs-Cardinals Series in quotes gets 744 ghits/1 ghit in Google News
*Cardinals-Cubs Series in quotes get 771 ghits/1 ghit in Google News
*I-55 Series in quotes (and -wikipedia) gets 530 ghits/ 0 google news
*I-55 Rivalry in quotes (and -wikipedia) gets 199 ghits/ 0 google news
Any other thoughts/potential names? Agne 03:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since nobody else has contributed to this discussion, I moved the article myself to what I consider to be the ideal name for the article Cardinals-Cubs rivalry.  It follow the precedent of Yankees-Red Sox rivalry and Dodgers-Giants rivalry, is in alphabetical order, and has the most google hits listed above.  I fixed any redirect problems as well.Timpcrk87 20:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Change?

message: In response to Agne's call for input on improvements, I've got the following ideas:
#I think it would be neat to change the "Statistical comparison" to a table, and the team with the advantage could be shaded/bolded for a quick visual picture.
#Need to work in a link from the Cardinals page. (Cubs has one already.)
#This isn't important, but I like shorter lead sections (putting TOC nearer to top of page).  Could we come up with a section heading for paragraphs 2-4?
: --Spiffy sperry 23:38, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a shot at the table thing.  I didn't shade the strikeout category, because I that's one neither team wants to win. I hope the colors are OK. I think red and blue would have been too dark, so I went with lighter versions. --Spiffy sperry 05:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article status

message: This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of September 18, 2006, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: Pass, in terms of the current content.
:2. Factually accurate?: Fail How do I know if the lists are up to date?
:3. Broad in coverage?: Fail Who coined the term, why is this concept still alive today. A possible criticisims section?
:4. Neutral point of view?: Pass
:5. Article stability? Pass
:6. Images?: Pass but I would expect more when this article is expanded.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration.  Thanks for your work so far. 
--Tarret 23:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: Despite how many times the Cardinals/Cubs games have been aired on ESPN/FOX/etc., I myself do not find this notable or a remarkable rivalry. Have they played each other in the NLCS before? No. Have they even played a playoff game against each other before? No. It's just an over-hyped rivalry that just doesn't mean anything except bragging rights. 
I'm just a little frustrated that a non-notable rivalry gets this much hype. The Giants/Dodgers got a playoff game in 1951, and the Red Sox/Yankees had a few ALCS series, along with the fateful 1978 series. It's just the rivalry nobody else cares about except Cardinals and Cubs fans. So, is this "rivalry" notable or not? Harold26 (c) 00:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well considering even MLB.com notes that the "Cubs-Cards rivalry transcends time", FOXSports list it as the 3rd best baseball rivalry in recent history, and hell even major gambling sites pin it down as one of two best rivalries in baseball-you're view is probably in the minority. While being in the same division and playoff formatting has diminished the number of times the Cards-Cubs have played each other in the post season, there is not that many rivalries that have been waged over 2,200 games. So in short. Yes, this rivalry really is notable. And then some. AgneCheese/Wine 00:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this rivalry really notable? (rant) 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:St Louis Cardinals 1998-present logo.gif

message: I do not follow either team closely...but seeing how the last entry for this was 2005 I suggest people start updating this section.
It may be a part of a much bigger problem of trying to break this all up into different eras. I would figure the Ozzie Guillen vs Ryan Sandberg, Mark Grace and Greg Maddux era before the chase and then the recent Cardinals world series championship in 2006. If it was more detailed, I would maybe add how in the recent weekend series the Cardinals won 3 straight in walk-off fashion. As a baseball fan, I am disappointed I can't really learn about this historic rivalry because this article is not updated. 161.185.151.150 (talk) 20:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article smacks of recentism. The rivalry is over 100 years old and the McGwire-Sosa chase seems to take a majority of the article. More sourcing is needed. If it is not, we may have to delete it. Arnabdas (talk) 20:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the article big time. I added the early World Series (National League vs American Association) as part of their post-season history and first meetings. I tried to make mention of the early Cub dominance when the Cardinals joined the NL. We all know what has happened since. Arnabdas (talk) 21:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates 

message: This entire section seems to be about a thread on a message board and has no cultural significance, direct connection to rivalry, nor pertinence beyond the personalities mentioned.  Seems odd that this would survive scrutiny in an otherwise excellent summation of the topic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.33.46 (talk) 03:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cubs is Dead? 

message: It has down that the Cardinals and Cubs have played each other in the post season in the 1980's. I can tell you this is false. The Cardinals made the post season in 1982, 1985, 1987 during the 1980's, while the Cubs made the post season in 1984 and 1989. NONE of those years: 1982, 1984, 1985, 1987, or 1989 did the Cubs and Cadinals play each other. In 1982, the Cardinals played the Braves before winning and going to the World Series. In 1984, the Cubs played the Padres before losing. In 1985 the Cardinals played the Dodgers, beating them, and going then to the World Series. In 1987 the Cardinals played the Giants, winning again and going to the World Series. Lastly, in 1989 the Cubs played the Giants and lost. Please remove the false statement that the Cubs and Cardinals played each other in the 1980's postseason, because it is FALSE!!--75.0.32.57 (talk) 23:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cubs and Cardinals did play in the pre-MLB World Series between the NL and the AA. Those series have been noted. Arnabdas (talk) 22:44, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cards/Cubs Playoffs 

message: I'm declining the speedy. The rationale was that the rivalry was non-notable enough to be speedy deleted. However the article has several sources that discuss the rivalry, enough to where speedy deletion criteria does not apply here. This source from the St Louis Post-Dispatch explicitly states that there is a rivalry. Offhand this does look to be a notable rivalry since a quick search with the term "Cardinals–Cubs rivalry" brought up this 2012 Bleacher Report article and this lengthy mention in a book written by a journalist for the Chicago Tribune. If you want this deleted you'll have to take it to AfD and make a very, very good rationale as to why this is not a notable rivalry. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declining speedy 

message: St Louis Cardinals franchise began in 1892, Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Orioles. So, how could the Cardinals have faced the Cubs before 1892 when the franchise didn't exist yet? The 2015 NLDS is the first time the two teams have met in the playoffs. Source: ESPN http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2015/story/_/page/playoffs15_NLDSCubs-Cardinals/five-nlds-questions-chicago-cubs-st-louis-cardinals
Please fix the info box, it's horribly incorrect. Thank you2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:E42C:7D5E:31CA:82A0 (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  No previous playoff match-ups. 

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message: Don't we have the color/winner wrong in the strikeouts box? It shows Edmonds favored over Sosa because he has FEWER strikeouts, which is genrally a good thing, but if the category is "most strikeouts" in a season, then it should reflect Sosa. If the win goes to the guy with the fewest strikeouts in the comparison, then we'd have to list somebody with zero for each team, or do it as a fewest Ks per AB. RM2KX (talk) 07:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strikeouts by hitter head-to-head