Talk:The Fall (Camus novel)

message: === Narrative technique ===
It would be nice to see a section on the monologue technique that was used by Camus for this novel, which was a brilliant innovation on his part and a significant departure from his usual style of writing, as shown in say, the outsider or the happy death. Anybody know what this is called or which other authors have used this style? I know that Faulkner employed this technique in some parts in 'The Sound and the Fury', but the purpose and impact seems to have been different. This was not really a stream-of-consciousness kind of dialogue, more of a very well practised and lucidly thought out speech covering 7 days. 220.227.165.120 04:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article development and expansion 

message: It would be nice to see a section on the monologue technique that was used by Camus for this novel, which was a brilliant innovation on his part and a significant departure from his usual style of writing, as shown in say, the outsider or the happy death. Anybody know what this is called or which other authors have used this style? I know that Faulkner employed this technique in some parts in 'The Sound and the Fury', but the purpose and impact seems to have been different. This was not really a stream-of-consciousness kind of dialogue, more of a very well practised and lucidly thought out speech covering 7 days. 220.227.165.120 04:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrative technique 

message: The following was recently added:
:* Manic Street Preachers quoted The Fall in the sleeve art, as well as in the video for their song Love's Sweet Exile.
This looks as though it doesn't belong on this page, but instead on the page for the band, The Fall. If not, perhaps it should be rephrased. If so, then it should be moved from this page to the proper one. --Todeswalzer|Talk 00:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In pop culture 

message: This page reads a lot like a critical essay.  I do not claim to be very familar with the encyclopedic style, but this article does not have it.  What do others think? --MLWeiss 19:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really know what you mean. I've written the vast majority of the article myself, and when I did so I tried to keep it strictly factual. But I don't pretend to have been completely impartial (for such a thing is impossible): given that that this is about a philosophical novel with very little "plot" (in the classic sense), some level of interpretation is necessary -- this, I'm sure, Camus would be the first to acknowledge. As such, I've tried to frame my understanding (and the perspective from which I wrote the article) according to the journal articles I've listed under "Further reading". Perhaps your comments would be more helpful (and more constructive) if you could elaborate a little bit more, and maybe cite a few passages that you find to be problematic. --Todeswalzer|Talk 01:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article style 

message: I propose moving this page back to where it was originally at The Fall, and moving the page discussing the band back to The Fall (band). The band itself is named after Camus' novel, and so common sense alone seems to provide ample justification for keeping the original -- the novel -- with the unqualified title of "The Fall" and then qualifying the title of the article discussing the band, i.e. "The Fall (band)", which was inspired by it. However, there are also other good reasons for doing this: google tests for " 'The Fall' and 'Mark Smith' " and " 'The Fall' and 'Mark E Smith' " (making use of the name of the band's frontman) return 50,200 and 151,000 results respectively. Note that I've used quotations around "Mark Smith" and "Mark E Smith" since these names are extremely common in English. A google test for " 'The Fall' Camus " returns 290,000. (Concerns for for worldwide views also compel me to note that, although Camus' google test is restricted to only the English language as per Wikipedia's conventions, it would also have significantly more results if the original French were taken into consideration; the band, being natively English, is not likely to have more results in any other language than it does in English.) Finally, the articles' respective wiki projects rate the band at "High Importance" and Camus' novel at "Top Importance". --Todeswalzer|Talk 14:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rationale 

message: I seem to recall reviews of a one man show (Berlin maybe?) ring a bell, anyone? Sparafucil 12:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Adaptations

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