Talk:Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts

message: Is this correct?  Maybe the Liturgy of St Basil, but say for March 25, a full Divine Liturgy is celebrated, not the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gift.  --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 00:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  celebrated on Feast Days that fall during the week during Lent 

message: is there a reference for the implication that the western Mass of the Presanctified Gifts (Good Friday service) 'came' from the East?--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 00:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the LPG 'spread' to the West? 

message: A major point omitted from this presentation is that a difference exists between Greek and Slav Orthodoxy on whether or not the rite serves to consecrate the wine.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tachypaidia (talk • contribs) 16:54, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consecration of Wine 

message: Recently you edited this article with the comment "Don't relegate it's use by Byzantine Catholics to the ghetto of a footnote. That fail NPOV".
I fail to see how that is NPOV or that having it as a footnote is in any way inappropriate because Byzantine Catholics are a small minority of users of the Byzantine Rite which, methinks, makes their mention of questionable merit at all, so a footnote seems ample mention.  *And*, few Byzantine Catholics even use the Presanctified Liturgy, preferring instead to celebrate daily Mass; this has changed a trifle since Vatican II but still is the norm at least among Ukrainian and Ruthenian Catholics, most of whom, I am told by members of these groups, have never seen the Presanctified Liturgy.
So, please justify your edit as I'm inclined to revert it.
I thank you, Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 22:35, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, small minority or not, there are a significant number of Byzantine Catholics, more than some entire particular churches of distinct rites. Seems to me that that just putting them as a footnote was minimizing them too much. oknazevad (talk) 22:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  But, how many of them use the Presanctified Liturgy? I've known Byzantine catholic priests who have never used the Presanctified.  It seems to me to be nearly entirely a liturgy of the Eastern Orthodox Church. So, while, yes, there are a significant number of Byzantine Catholics (who are a small minority of users of the Byzantine Rite) very few users of the Presanctified are Byzantine Catholics and relegating them to a footnote seems fair and it does make the article flow more easily.  Also, it doesn't seem reasonable to me to have to articles on Eastern orthodox liturgics have to note Byzantine Catholics in their opening sentences. Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 23:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe just say Byzantine Rite to keep it general. oknazevad (talk) 23:57, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have copied this dialogue to the talk page for the Divine Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts and made your suggested change but also footnoting Byzantine Rite with references to the Eastern Orthodox and Byzantine Catholic Churches since "Byzantine Rite" is a rather esoteric term and I suspect that few Eastern Orthodox even realize that this term applies to their typicon. Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 20:11, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whether or not to footnote "Byzantine Catholics"