Talk:Greater Cleveland

message: I reverted the most recent names b/c they did not link to a wikipage. I also briefly googled most of the names from that edit and could not find anything notable about them. I realize that "famous" encompasses more than just actors, musicians and sports players, so don't want to be removing legitimate people. My view is that the standard should be a good semblance of notability in whatever endeavor they are engaged in. Having a solid Wiki entry seems like a good starting point, along with showing up on Google.Danprice19 (talk) 13:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Natives

message: I'm back looking at the article for the first time in a few years and was noticing how the scope has gone from Greater Cleveland all the way out to Northeast Ohio, including places like Youngstown.  Northeast Ohio is one of those things where we know it when we see it but it isn't a strongly defined concept.  The original goal of the article was to include things that people think of as Cleveland but are actually in the area.  In order to have a clearly defined area, we should stick to the CSA and take out the Northeast Ohio part of the article.  If someone really wants a Northeast Ohio article, it should just be a short one pointing to the census regions in the area, basically the one-sentence article EurekaLott referred to in the previous section.  Northeast Ohio should not redirect here, because it is a different area than Greater Cleveland.  --Beirne (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article sprawl? 

message: Fairport Harbor lighthouse... . In Fairport Harbor, right? Apparently not. It's technically in Mentor Headlands Beach Park which is technically in Mentor. Though looking at a map of Mentor and a map of Fairport Harbor it's in neither. Go figure. JBarta (talk) 03:19, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, it's just a technicality of borders that only really comes up in issues of taxation and property ownership.  There are lots of things all over the place that are associated with a specific city or village but are actually located outside that municipality's boundaries (sports teams, TV stations, community organizations, schools, landmarks, etc.).  That said, I've found the maps at city-data aren't always up to date.  The best place for maps is the Boundary and Annexation Survey from the US Census Bureau, which are updated every year.  According to those maps, the lighthouse is in a small section of Painesville Township in between Fairport Harbor, Grand River, and Mentor that is separate from the rest of the township.  --JonRidinger (talk) 04:58, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I found that map (here if anyone else is interested). So, in at least one aspect (physical location), the lighthouse is in Painesville Township. Very interesting, and thanks for the link to the Census maps. JBarta (talk) 06:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In terms of its context in the infobox, the lighthouse is not associated with Mentor other than having a Mentor ZIP code.  Since it isn't in Mentor anyway it seems awkward and is inaccurate as a representation of Mentor.  The infobox also is labeled for a Combined Statistical Area (CSA) but has the three main cities for the smaller Metropolitan Statitistical Area (MSA).  If the infobox is indeed for the CSA, it should have Cleveland, Akron, and Elyria, not Mentor. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fairport Harbor lighthouse 

message: Hi, just to clarify, I was basing my revert on this -  - which states that Greater Cleveland is the largest metropolitan area in Ohio. IP, do you have a different reliable source for your edits? SpencerT♦C 14:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The persistent anonymous contributor changed the figures to 2012 population estimates (seen at List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas) but described them as 2010 Census figures. The editor also made the mistake of asserting that the Cincinnati metro area is the largest in Ohio, when a good portion of its population lies in Kentucky and Indiana. As it stands now, the lead is quite misleading. - Eureka Lott 15:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The other thing editors need to understand is that "metropolitan area" is an ambiguous term, so it needs to be better defined as to what measure of "metropolitan area" they are using. If you're going by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), then Cincinnati's "metro" is bigger than Cleveland's, but, as EurekaLott said, not within Ohio, so saying Cincinnati is the largest metro area in Ohio isn't accurate since the portion of Cincinnati's metro area in Ohio is smaller than Cleveland's. If you go to other measures of "metropolitan area", like Combined Statistical Area or Media Market, which are also frequently used to measure a city's metro area, then Cleveland is a larger "metro" than Cincinnati in both measurements. The link posted by Spencer uses the Combined Statistical Area as its basis for saying Cleveland is the "largest metro area in Ohio". --JonRidinger (talk) 16:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest Metropolitan Area in Ohio 

message: The historical population chart and much of the demographic data is from the former Cleveland-Akron-Elyria Combined Statistical Area, which was recently expanded to become the Cleveland-Akron-Canton CSA. Previously, this article covered the much broader topic of Northeast Ohio (which redirected here), so there is still a lot of data from there. The population chart needs to be updated for all the years showing the MSA population. The recent edit I reverted had inserted the 2010 and 2013 estimate populations for the MSA but the rest of the chart still had the CSA populations, so it made it look like there was a massive drop-off after 2000. There was a decline, but not one of 800,000 people. :) --JonRidinger (talk) 03:51, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population chart 

message: Since we have a separate Northeast Ohio article, I'm going to start moving the sections in this article that clearly deal with NE Ohio versus Greater Cleveland. It seems this article is supposed to be more about the Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor MSA, so anything mentioning the Akron or Youngstown areas should be moved to NE Ohio. For instance, the Demographics section here is about the former Cleveland-Akron-Elyria CSA, while the Economy section mentions firms in Akron, Youngstown, and several surrounding cities. --JonRidinger (talk) 12:58, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separating NE Ohio from Greater Cleveland 

message: The Plain Dealer just published an article about how the Cleveland area is estimated to be top market for clams in the U.S. in the fall due to traditional area clambakes. Notable? Mapsax (talk) 15:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clambakes 

message: The density of this statistical area is not reported in the info box. This is standard in other articles. Lugevas (talk) 18:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Density 

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