Talk:Bärengraben

message: The Bärengraben is no longer empty, see for example the Deutsch page for details.  As such, the article needs to be updated to reflect this. MGMPhysics (talk) 22:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: you misunderstood something. the bärengraben itself is empty, but in the nearby bärenpark there is a bear family. the bärengraben is sometimes used when the bärenpark has to be closed for several reasons such as constructing. --Functionist (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was in Bern on the 8th June, and the Bärengraben was definitely in use, with two bears in it. Later in the day, the bears (or some very similar looking ones) had moved to the Bärenpark. I got no impression this was due to construction work. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 13:33, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And according to the web site at http://www.baerenpark-bern.ch/, both bear pit and park are accessible to the bears. Corrected the information on the web site. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 13:43, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

message: In his book "the rights of man" Thomas Paine mentions the bear pit at Bern, in footnote 23. He mentions that there was a myth that the bear was like a protector of the city, did the people really believe this or was Paine mistaken? 
"It is related that in the canton of Berne, in Switzerland, it has been customary, from time immemorial, to keep a bear at the public expense, and the people had been taught to believe that if they had not a bear they should all be undone. It happened some years ago that the bear, then in being, was taken sick, and died too suddenly to have his place immediately supplied with another. During this interregnum the people discovered that the corn grew, and the vintage flourished, and the sun and moon continued to rise and set, and everything went on the same as before, and taking courage from these circumstances, they resolved not to keep any more bears; for, said they, "a bear is a very voracious expensive animal, and we were obliged to pull out his claws, lest he should hurt the citizens." The story of the bear of Berne was related in some of the French newspapers, at the time of the flight of Louis XVI., and the application of it to monarchy could not be mistaken in France; but it seems that the aristocracy of Berne applied it to themselves, and have since prohibited the reading of French newspapers." (Thomas Paine, footnote 23, the rights of man) 109.7.212.105 (talk) 12:23, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
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