Talk:National Merit Scholarship Program

message: Hey I was wondering where you found these cuttoff numbers?  I didnt' see any links in the article
--Crucible Guardian 05:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: cutoffs

message: Do they post the winners for 2006 anywhere?  How about the State index cutoffs?
:I don't know if National Merit does anywhere, but I'm sure with the large amount of people here we could gather enough data to do so (at least with the state index cutoffs). Douglas Whitaker 02:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a list of some notable National Merit Scholars at  including the ones you mentioned. — Myasuda (talk) 15:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Merit Scholarship Program 

message: Just so we can save room on this page, scores for individual states are not officially posted anywhere anytime soon, as far as I'm aware, though I'm sure semifinalists are already posting on message boards (hint, hint).  If you qualified, your school officials will let you know probably very soon.  
Zagsa 20:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 Scores 

message: Here is a post on CollegeConfidential that has some of the cutoffs: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=2993607&postcount=662. Some of the numbers are missing or circumspect nonetheless someone can incorporate them into the article right?
Karma Thief 06:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006 (Unofficial) Cutoffs

message: Should we include criticism of NMSP as being implicitly racist, as has been suggested repeatedly by the Journal of Black Higher Education?  It's an important facet, and should probably be covered...
Chris kupka 20:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: criticism

message: I suggest we merge this with National Merit Scholarship Corporation. There's is hardly anything in the other article, and this program & the PSAT seem to be the focus, so let's merge them.-Wikiphilia 21:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Let's merge it into here.DGG 23:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I know in my state (PA) the cut off for the 2007 year was 200, I have a letter from the people that run it, but I don't know if it is necessary —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.94.4.197 (talk) 11:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 cut off 

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message: As I believe I posted once before, there is no mention of the fact that there used to be a completely separate NMSQT;one became a semi-finalist based on this score, and a finalist based on a sufficient number on the PSAT. I would be interested in knowing when and why this test was done away with.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.131.130 (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: The "Scholarships" section correctly points out that going from Finalist to Winner is not purely merit-based. You are more likely to win if your parents work for certain large companies, if you accept admission at a certain college, and other factors (see the "Scholarships" section). I feel this is important information that may belong in the lead section. The lead section rather strongly implies that it is purely merit-based, but that is only the case for 2,500 winners, the other 5,500 winners got sponsored scholarships.146.115.179.89 (talk) 23:33, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please find a reliable source that explicitly connects the availability of these scholarships with your allegation that they're not "purely merit-based." ElKevbo (talk) 23:42, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lead section should point out that winning is not purely merit-based 

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message: The only authoritative source on this and the only entity capable of bestowing Merit Scholar status is NMSC. Every Scholar featured on the NMSC site has won either a National Merit Scholarship or an Achievement Scholarship. I am a member of their Scholarship Community and have access to the list of Scholars. I searched the list in 2008 when she was running against Obama. Hillary Rodham is not on the list, as they did not keep records of Finalists, Semi-Finalists, or Commended Students back then.
Hillary has never claimed to be a Merit Scholar, only a Finalist or Semi-Finalist. A claim by a reporter who may not understand the differences carries no weight when original sources are available in contradiction.
Buzzfeed researched her h.s. newspaper and yearbook. No claim for more than a Finalist.:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/heres-what-hillary-clinton-did-in-her-senior-year-of-high-sc
also:
http://www.hillaryclintonquarterly.com/hillary-rodham-clintons-high-school-yearbook/
and:
http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=2744
Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 11:09, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The section under discussion is titled Notable National Merit and National Achievement Scholars.  Hillary Rodham does not fall under this category of NMSC honorees, and so adding her to the list is misinformation.  If the section was instead retitled Notable National Merit Finalists and National Achievement Scholars, then her inclusion would be acceptable to me.  Note that the article does mention that there are National Merit Scholars who do not receive scholarships (see the subsection National Merit Scholarship Program#Scholarships).  — Myasuda (talk) 13:23, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: All Merit Scholars have won a scholarship. Some scholarship recipients, e.g. Service Academy cadets, don't receive any money, but do get a nice certificate suitable for framing. They are nevertheless Merit Scholars. Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 18:26, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

text: The source for that vast majority was the NMSC web site Scholars page. The web site is undergoing a redesign currently, which is why so many links have gone dead. When you find a dead link, leave it, but stick a  tag after it. A bot will eventually go looking for an archived copy and fix it for you. When NMSC gets their act together on the web site, I'll be going back in and redoing the links. Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 18:26, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

text: It's impolite to undo others comments. I've restored them for you. A pair of newspaper reporters who have not interviewed the subject are hardly "highly credible." Assertions must be verifiable, and when an authoritative source says they are wrong, they are wrong. Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more than impolite, ; if the conversation is on-topic, it's vandalism. Most all the hits that come up on the subject confirm Ms. Clinton as a finalist or semi-finalist ; . Given some  conflict in sources, the circumspect move at this point is not to include her in this listing. The edit warring, without consensus, by a WP:SPA, doesn't work here. 2601:188:1:AEA0:BC62:BFD6:7849:F056 (talk) 02:03, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  From the user Mpeterson33333's most recent edit summaries, it's clear that this user still don't understand the distinction between National Merit Finalists and National Merits Scholars (in spite of multiple clarifications provided over the past few days).  As such, I question whether this WP:SPA (as noted above) should be editing this article at all. — Myasuda (talk) 02:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: They, and a sockpuppet, were just blocked. 2601:188:1:AEA0:BC62:BFD6:7849:F056 (talk) 02:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hillary Clinton National Merit Status 

message: Andrew U. D. Straw has been added to the list of notable Merit Scholars by a possible WP:SPA, without any credible evidence. This same editor has recreated an Andrew U. D. Straw article after it was deleted back in 2005.
The only "evidence" of Straw being a Merit Scholar is a claim by Straw on his online c.v. The authoritative source on Scholar status is the National Merit Scholar database, and Straw is not in it.
The editor claims without evidence that Straw isn't in the database because "NMSC does not list all 15,000 each year. Straw's National Merit Scholarship was from C-Thru Ruler in 1987." In 1987 there were only 7959 Merit and Achievement Scholars nationally, with 139 in Indiana. Corporate-sponsored scholarships, such as the alleged C-Thru Ruler scholarship would be, are included in those numbers. Straw's Northridge High School has produced 18 Scholars, all named in the database, and Straw is not among them.
Even if Straw actually were a Merit Scholar, he hardly rises to the level of notability of the others on the notable Scholar list. Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 19:07, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrew U. D. Straw National Merit status 

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