Talk:Eric Laithwaite

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*The Royal Institution’s 1974–75 Christmas Lectures Video of one of the 1974 lectures in which Laithwaite demonstrates various behaviours of gyroscopes, and in clip 2, discusses the reaction to his earlier presentation to the Royal Institution	
* Contemporary press coverage of Laithwaite's gyroscope theories, and the text of one of his patents.
J. D. Redding 22:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody seems to have said anything against it - I'm going to put it back on as I think it's an interesting site as well. --The Great Apple (talk) 01:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: After reading the linked patent applications, I find it difficult to believe that a patent was actually granted on any of them, and yet the current article says a patent was granted in 1999.  Could we have a reference to the granted patent?  If a patent was actually granted, I suspect it was for something other than the linked applications. Patent offices don't grant patents on perpetual motion machines or reactionless propulsion drives. Lumpy27 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: Although moths do not communicate with electro magnetic waves (as he claimed)   they do use ultrasonic sounds to jam the radar of bats.
See:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/science/21objam.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=%20moths&st=cse
Arydberg (talk) 15:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Moths 

message: Moths, as far as I have been able to ascertain, do not communicate by EGM. Unless someone can show some valid evidence, I will be removing large chunks of the article posthaste, notably from:
: Although Laithwaite is best known for his ideas concerning gyroscopes, he also held an idea concerning moths. It was that they communicate via ultra short wave electromagnetic phenomena (Inventor in the Garden of Eden, E R Laithwaite 1994 page 199). He persisted in this belief even after the pheromone, which they actually use, had been isolated [Details?] and could even be bought 'over-the-counter' — which seems to go against his account. However, he himself had argued (1960, see below and [1]) that there must be two different mechanisms for detecting pheromones: (i) The orthodox account of chemical-gradients (effective only at short-range), and (ii) Some method for long-distance detection (>"100 yards") even when the wind was in an unfavourable direction — and the only credible solution then had to be electromagnetic, (probably infrared). This explanation did not account for where the necessary energy might come from — a matter later taken up by P.S.Callahan, though he too suffered considerable controversy (largely due to all contestants overlooking Laithwaite's "(i)/(ii)" distinction). Anyway, present indications are that the energy comes from fluorescence effects whereby the pheromone molecules near the female act as a cloud of infrared beacons (invisible to us humans) while these same molecules also act as the conventional concentration-gradient for any nearby male-moths; (Traill, 2005 [2], 2008 [3]).
I don't know why the "[Details?]", since I can find what certainly looks like sufficient details fairly easily. A large portion of the rest of this paragraph seems to be masquerading psuedoscience, which seems often to present itself on this site in this format (inline citations in place of the normal kind). The papers "cited" are not evidence of this claim, but seem to be speculating on how these claims might be true. Until someone can corroborate this with experimental evidence, I don't think it belongs here.
Cburke91 (talk) 22:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: I have reduced it somewhat. I left the bits that talk about arguments or claims made, allowing them to be cited at ondwelle.com (notably the source of all the "citations" placed there in the first place) and have placed a "citation needed" after the claim about Callahan 'suffering controversy'.
Again, when someone prefaces a factual statement with "present indications are", there should be a citation with evidence of the claim.
Cburke91 (talk) 22:21, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on moths 

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message: I find one obvious flaw in the article. It begins by saying that Eric Laithwaite is "known as the "Father of Maglev"". Later on it reads, "Although Laithwaite is best known for his ideas concerning gyroscopes" He can't be best known for a temporary miscall on gyroscopes if he is recognized as the father of maglev. Pick one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trebornekmes (talk • contribs) 14:40, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
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