Talk:Crusties

message: How about this for an image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tupwanders/4708583821/
Surf Dog (talk) 01:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Better than nothing. The two in the middle are fairly crusty, although a bit too monochrome. No olive drab or camo? More like metallers than crusties. The outer two don't really do it. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Great pic IMHO. Great photo album too! Silverwood (talk) 10:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: ===Gutter punk===
 
Gutter punks and crusties are the same. Surf Dog (talk) 03:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would disagree. If you follow up the references on the Crusties page they take you to some academic sociology texts on crusties as a distinct UK subculture. The pages should not be merged Silverwood (talk) 20:21, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

text: The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. 
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
I don't think there is any pressing need to merge this article with New Age Travellers. They are possibly linked in the way that rock doves and urban pigeons are linked and perhaps I am muddying the waters by relying on an academic text that is primarily about travellers but they are two different subcultures. The text here would not add anything meaningful to the New Age Traveller article but I will put up links on both pages if that helps.
Please discuss if you want to merge this article with Crust-punk, as I think there is an agreement now to keep them seperate. They are different terms and can be used entirely without reference to each other. I was a crusty for years and crust-punk was neither a term in use nor a genre of music listened to. Bands like RDF or music like Hardcore Techno was far more prevalent. The punk that was part of the scene was not limited to the type of punk meant by the term crust-punk. This is personal opinion of course and anyone with proper references to support otherwise should not be deterred. Silverwood (talk) 12:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirects and merges

message: Gutter punks and crusties are the same. Surf Dog (talk) 03:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would disagree. If you follow up the references on the Crusties page they take you to some academic sociology texts on crusties as a distinct UK subculture. The pages should not be merged Silverwood (talk) 20:21, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Gutter punk

message: :The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. 
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
I don't think there is any pressing need to merge this article with New Age Travellers. They are possibly linked in the way that rock doves and urban pigeons are linked and perhaps I am muddying the waters by relying on an academic text that is primarily about travellers but they are two different subcultures. The text here would not add anything meaningful to the New Age Traveller article but I will put up links on both pages if that helps.
Please discuss if you want to merge this article with Crust-punk, as I think there is an agreement now to keep them seperate. They are different terms and can be used entirely without reference to each other. I was a crusty for years and crust-punk was neither a term in use nor a genre of music listened to. Bands like RDF or music like Hardcore Techno was far more prevalent. The punk that was part of the scene was not limited to the type of punk meant by the term crust-punk. This is personal opinion of course and anyone with proper references to support otherwise should not be deterred. Silverwood (talk) 12:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Age Travellers

message: I've done some overhauling here, removing POV stuff and original research. I've tried to keep as much to the original text as possible as I realise that people have put time and effort into their contributions but to be honest a lot of it had to go to comply with prevailing standards. Most of the text I've added is referenced to just one particular book and this lends something of a UK-bias to the page but it is from a proper ethnography and does tally with my own experiences of being a soap-dodging crusty for many years. Also I feel this sub-movement is quite distinct from crust-punk so I hope we keep the seperation going. Silverwood (talk) 16:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While both subcultures espouse similar beliefs and habits, the Travelers pages talks more about jam-band festival followers than the crust punk/metal scene which are distinctly different. Furthermore, though "crusty" is accepted as preexisting crust punk, the two terms have become almost synonymous in my experience -- we usually refer to the hippie type as "wookies" rather than "crusties" -- adding yet another layer to the subject. Since crusties and hippies often overlap, pinning down a definition to such an amorphous culture is difficult, and to make things more complicated, crusties seem to love traveling as much as New Age Travelers. So far as I can tell (I study subcultures and was at a crust punk show two days ago) the difference between the two is in shades of gray: musical preferences and political beliefs. I propose to make mention of hippies on the Crusties page and discuss crusty traveling habits on the New Age Travelers page. In fact, I might actually do that today. Why are cultural studies so complex? (January 10, 2011)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.118.245 (talk) 19:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul 

message: I have removed the deletion request and the previous request to merge this with Crust-punk as they are quite distinct and different things. Crusty/crusties predate crust-punk by at least a decade. If someone can come up with an academic reference or similar to support their claim to the contrary then go ahead and revert. The page is still a mess, though, and needs more than one good reference to do the subject justice. Silverwood (talk) 13:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related articles 

message: Just merging this piece about Crusties with New Age Travellers is missing the point, as neither article, in my opinion, really does proper justice to its subject-matter. Many Travellers still object to being labelled 'New Age', which has inevitable connotations of fluffy-bunny, hi-vibe pretentiousness which are anathema to the whole concept of being a Crusty.
'New Age Travellers' was a term devised to help explain why thousands of ordinary people, who are not obviously 'ethnic', have adopted a nomadic habit of life from the 1980s onwards, because the various legal systems of the UK have problems understanding and defining their status, under the various bits of legislation which exist to protect and/or regulate their activities . Many prefer to be referred to simply as 'New Travellers'.
This is to say nothing of 'Upper-Crusties', 'Crusty Trusties' and 'Orbitals', terms which respectively refer to upper-class drop-outs, with private sources of income derived (in popular imagination) from family Trusts, or Travellers who 'orbit' a circuit of sites in a specific area, and don't do much travelling at all if they can help it!
I think I am in broad agreement with Silverwood on this one.
g88keeper (talk) 03:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  My take on this... 

message: I have requested that this page be semi-protected. This puts some restrictions on unregistered IPs making changes to the page. There has been persistent vandalism. This page is being used for cyber-bullying. Vandals (I presume it is school children) keep putting their friends names up as the definition of crusty.
The page is not very detailed or important so it is not urgent but the vandalism is so persistent I think we ought to remove the temptation for casual bullying. There have been no cases of registered users doing the vandalism. There have been no cases of unregistered IPs making any useful contribution to the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverwood (talk • contribs) 13:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi Protection Request