Talk:Robert Jay Mathews

message: Despite frequent "corrections", Mathews's last name only contained one "t". --ESP 05:54, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of surname 

message: Robert Mathews, like all revolutionary leaders defy many traditional labels. 
Facism was a label that Robert Mathews would dispute since he was not a believer in Governmental Control as is meant by this phrase. Nowhere can it be shown that Robert Mathews spoke of, or wrote about, this concept of government. Like all Folkish leaders, he believed in the the 'power of the people', his people, to set the standards of Life and government.
Placing Robert J. Mathews on the Facism index is dishonest at best, misleading at worst.
66.81.250.24 21:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: While it is almost certainly true that Robert Jay Mathews was not an orthodox fascist, his association with the National Alliance, and his relationship with its founder, Dr. William L. Pierce, arguably the leading (White) national socialist organization and leader in the USA, respectively, taken with his stated beliefs and deeds as a whole, does very much suggest that Mr. Mathews was a militant national socialist.  While in the strict acedemic sense, it is clear that national socialism and fascism are two distinct doctrines, they are never-the-less largely seen as two variants within a generally rightist political milieu that is commonly, if somewhat imprecisely, labeled "fascism."  Simply put, Mr. Mathews was a national socialist, and national socialists are within the scope of WikiProject Fascism, irrespective of whether than ought, ideally, to be the case. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 08:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Mathews is NOT a fascist 

message: Does it make sense to move the section on The Order to The Order (group)? --ESP 14:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  The Order is an organization with which scores of people were associated, yet only Mathews and David Lane have their own individual articles.  Mathews and Lane are simply much more notable, and thus worthy of their own write-ups.  In the case of Mathews in particular, it is almost difficult to underestimate the extent to which he is a revered figure within the White racialist right, not just here in North America, but in Europe and Australia as well.  This article should most definitely not be merged with the article on The Order. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 08:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging with [[The Order]] 

message: This article is riddled with non-encyclopaedic rubbish, the most notable paragraph being:
"Two years later he married Debbie McGarrity, a Kansan who shared his love of nature. He began to raise Scottish Galloway cattle. The couple adopted a son in 1981, and he became the incarnation of the hard-working all-American man. He kept his hair short, and it is reported that he didn't drink, smoke or cuss. His favorite snack was apple pie." -- is it Wikipedia policy to include not just articles on non-notable petty crooks, but also their favourite foods as well? This article needs a major clean-up to be based on facts instead of nostalgia. Jdcooper 10:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I can't find an RS which reports that, I will remove it, and will take a look at the rest of the article as well. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:04, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant schmaltz 

message: This is a cover of a Ian Stuart song from the record 'Patriotic Ballads I' it was not written by Prussian Blue, and has been covered numerous times before Prussian Blue murdered it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.196.72.210 (talk) 10:41, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gone With the Breeze - Prussian Blue 

message: Obvious POV, should be deleted Irisismykid (talk) 17:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. I have done so. If someone wishes to revert this, please provide a reference. --Alþykkr (talk) 02:52, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resting Place  - Valhalla (?!) 

message: According to the referenced page from HistoryLink, the house where Mathews was killed is near Smuggler's Cove, which is quite a distance away from Coupeville (I graduated from Coupeville High School in 1983, I know the area very well).  I do not know why this article repeatedly claims that he was killed IN Coupeville.  
Here's a google maps link to Coupeville: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=coupeville,+whidbey+island&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.744674,73.916016&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Coupeville,+Island,+Washington&t=h&z=14
Here's a google maps link for Smuggler's Cove: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=smuggler's+cove+road,+whidbey+island&aq=&sll=48.072492,-122.517626&sspn=0.592782,1.154938&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Smugglers+Cove+Rd,+Freeland,+Island,+Washington+98249&ll=48.022855,-122.59253&spn=0.009271,0.018046&t=h&z=16
If it is required that a political place name be used to describe the location, "Freeland, WA" is much more appropriate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.149.221.131 (talk) 00:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of Death 

message: The band Symphony of Sorrow released an album entitled Symphony of Hatred with a song towards the end of the album with audio from Mathews' famous speech given to the National Alliance. I don't have access to the album right now but if someone could find which song it was and include it in the article that would be great.--SlapChopVincent (talk) 09:01, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symphony of Sorrow Song 

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have reworded several parts of the article for neutrality. As it stood, it read more like a glorification of Mathews than an encyclopedic entry. Rokoschimera (talk) 22:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I endorse your changes. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:01, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording