Talk:Robert Novak

message: Someone should mention the book he wrote.  It's on Amazon.  (His memoir "Prince of Darkness" is now listed in the References section.  There are earlier books,too, probably written with Rowland Evans.  AndersW (talk) 21:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When people agree to it in talk, you simply delete the pov check thingy at the top of the page in edit. 216.165.29.131 02:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  old comments 

message: On http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2005/07/20/rovenovakPicture.html there's a picture of Rove together with Novak. Rove has a button attached to his suit that says "I am a source, not a target!". Not a photoshopped image!
80.217.225.208 01:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo Suggestion 

message: I am tempted to remove this comment as it is simply one individual's insulting reference rather than a name that is widely used. The Prince of darkness on the other hand is used very widely to refer to Novak and there is some evidence that he even encourages this - his staff on Capital Gang use it.
:I agree and it adds to the perception that the whole entry is an outlet for someone's anti-Novak opinion - BillK
::I was inclined to agree that this was a non-notable epithet, but I see that it gets quite a few Google hits, about 4,500 total of which about 360 are unique. That compares to about 13,700 (529 unique) for "Prince of Darkness". Therefore it appears to been adopted by the broader public beyond Jon Stewart. Perhaps there is another way of wording this section? Instead of a "trivia" section maybe just a sentence that lists notable epithets? -Willmcw 01:10, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
:::One could also type in George Bush's name in google along with an unflattering adjective, and receive well over 4500 hits, yet we don't see George Bush being dubbed certain monikers in his bio. This article is terribly left-wing bias and definately should be cleaned up. Boort 04:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Douchebag of Liberty 

message: I added the fact tag to the intro sentence of that section. If not sourced, that whole section should be removed as original research, imho oh course :). Thanks --Tom 17:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Israel and the Palestinians

message: The article says something about the 2005 Inside Politics incident being the last time Robert Novak was seen on CNN.  While this was the last time he was on there while being employed by CNN, I do seem to remember an interview he gave Wolf Blitzer some time later.  Shame I can't remember more about it.  I'll have to do some digging. Illinois2011 15:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inside Politics Incident

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 07:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: The section amensty, abortion, and acid needs to specify: amnesty for what.  Boris B (talk) 23:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amnesty for What 

message: This is about tag cleanup.  As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, they will be removed.  This is not a judgement of content.  If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made.  This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted.Jjdon (talk) 19:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag 

message: Granted, this isnt the best source, but apparently Novak even tried to drive away from the scene.  He was chased down by a  lawyer on a bike.  Novak was released with a $50 ticket for not yeilding to someone in a crosswalk.  Dude who was hit (66 years old) is now in the hospital.  Qb | your 2 cents 18:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Already in there with a better source  :)  Course, I'm not sure personal life is the best place to put it, but it didn't belong in the lead either.  Feel free to tweak. Shell   babelfish 18:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh no, I wasnt trying to overrule the good source we have.  I was just detailing and givin ya the beltway gossip.  Wonkette's having a fieldday with this.  Qb | your 2 cents 18:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He's apparently got a history of "aggressive" driving, too - various liberal blogs are having several field days with this. Dfunk1967 (talk) 04:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For goodness sake!  WP:NOT#NEWS.  Does every injury traffic accident get a paragraph in Wikipedia?  There's no reliable sourcing as yet that he did anything wrong.  In most cases one or both parties are at fault and one will get a citation.  A citation is an unproven charge.  Per WP:BLP we normally don't report unproven claims.  Per WP:WEIGHT I don't think this is worth a mention at all, much less a heading and a detailed (if neutral) description, even if it turns out he was negligent in his driving.  He hasn't been charged with hit-and-run, and looking at his statement it seems quite unlikely he will be.  If anything, this belongs at Wikinews.  Wikidemo (talk) 17:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Should the Auto/Ped and brain tumor sections be combined since one was related to the other? --Hourick (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

text: My Brain Tumor by Robert D. Novak has the man's own recollections (or failures thereof) on the matter… Asteriks (talk) 08:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Given this, it might be worth merging it into the tumor section, rather than in with his career? Shimgray | talk | 21:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Car Hitting 

message: Bob Novak has announced he has a brain tumor 
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1077958,novak072808.article Tenio (talk) 16:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And his first article since surgery is devoted to the matter: My Brain Tumor by Robert D. Novak. Asteriks (talk) 08:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brain Tumor! 

message: I realize that he's not dead, but as of now, his journalistic career is over I believe in MOST cases, the tense was correct.  If/when he recovers, then it should be changed back. --Hourick (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense Past/Present 

message: This article only talks about his leaving CNN and when he left but says nothing about when he joined the network and very little about what he did there.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.214.133.202 (talk) 22:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CNN 

message: As folk have noted that he wasn't charged with revealing Plame's identity, the question remains as to why. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do your own research next time. If you really believe this to be an important question, search Google for "Robert Novak" "not charged" and you'll get some answers. (If you're adding anything, please do be careful not to synthesize your own conclusions from multiple sources). My accusation of pedantry was directed not at you as an individual, but at your choosing to unnecessarily tag the article rather than adding the relevant piece of factual information. I believe this to be a case of following the letter of Wikipedia procedures and missing the spirit of improving the article. --Brhaspati\talk/contribs 23:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Respectfully, you're wrong, on practically every count, Brhaspati. First of all, the whole point of the 'why' template is for when you do not know why a piece of info is present within the article or its pertinence. I did not add the initial info, and I figured that some other brilliant mind might save me the time I do not have and already have a cited reference as to why Novak was not charged. And please, do yourself the enormous favor of not accusing me of synthesis - I am pretty sure that my understanding of what is and isn't synthesis is pretty much beyond reproach. For example, perhaps you are a wee bit too close to the subject of the article to understand that I was tagging that information which either needed citation or wasn't clear as to connection. That benefits our readers, who might not be experts on the subject. Now, you might want to review WP:AGF, as I am pretty sure you closely avoided being trout-slapped by myself. Put a civil tongue in your head, mister man. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 13:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's neither any call to take offense nor one to issue threats; the latter in particular does not help your case. There is however a rationale for my actions: the reality might very well be that you have a genuine curiosity for information that's not your primary area of expertise and therefore are requesting a clarification and/or expansion from others. However, the perception that this gives is one of laziness and demanding high-standard work from others while not being seen to do so oneself. Again, I emphasize: this may not be reality but it is the perception, especially when coupled with your statements about the value of your time. I can't blame you for it -- I used to tag articles with "cn" and "fact" myself until some years ago, and then it was rightly pointed out to me that my actions were not helpful like I had thought them to be. (It's sometimes far more effective to track down the editor who added the statement and leave them a personal request for citation -- I've found personal requests like that to be satisfied more willingly and quickly than an impersonal change to the article). For this particular article, if you really want to retain the "why" tag, I'll concede the point -- I have no particular investment in the article one way or the other. But please do realize that I genuinely believe that tags like "fact" and "why" do more harm than good in the long run -- they tend to encourage an unconscious lazy-web attitude of "I'd like to know this stuff but instead of finding it out myself let me tag it and see if someone else does a few hours of work for me", and sooner or later a person who uses them will be called on their actions. Again, my complaint is not with you, but with your actions and the impressions they convey. Anyway, that's where I'm coming from. -- Brhaspati\talk/contribs 18:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why I urged you to review AGF, Brhaspati. Instead of asking me what I was doing, you assumed I was being lazy and whatnot. To reiterate, if I had the time, I'd go out and seek the citation myself instead of tagging it; finding the citation seems a far more useful use of time than trying to track down the editor who added the uncited info to begin with. I do not think that tagging an article for citation is bad (if the article needs it). It serves two purposes: it serves as notice to the editing crew that there is information needing referencing and citation. It also lets the reader know that what they are reading isn't cited to a source, and may very well be inaccurate or biased. I will agree that excessive tagging isn't helpful (esp. when section tagging might very well be far more effective). - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why wasn't he charged? 

message: “ Journalistically, I thought it was an important story because it explained why the CIA would send Joe Wilson – a former Clinton White House aide with no track record in intelligence and no experience in Niger – on a fact-finding mission to Africa.[27] ” 
In fact, Joseph Wilson is a former United States Foreign Service diplomat who had been posted to African nations and Iraq during several administrations, including the George H. W. Bush administration.
    The second paragraph written by Wikipedia appears to be structured to try and disqualify
 the statement spoken by Mr. Novak. 
Reguard;
{I thought it was an important story because it explained why the CIA would send Joe Wilson – a former Clinton White House aide with no track record in intelligence}
Response;
['In fact, Joseph Wilson is a former United States Foreign Service diplomat}'''''''
    A foreign service diplomat is not in the intelligence feild. No contridiction here.
Reguard;
{no experience in Niger – on a fact-finding mission to Africa.[27] ” }
Response;
[who had been posted to African nations and Iraq during several administrations, including the George H. W. Bush administration.]
    "African nations and Iraq" is not Niger, again no contridiction. Which administration employed him
 is non sequitur and appears to be added only to quantify the Wikipedia conclusion.
    The Wikipedia response to Mr. Novak's remarks needs to be ammended. If the words "All true,"
were added to the beginning of the Wikipedia statement it would read correctly as a statement
 of opinion and point of view of the author, which it clearly is.
Grenademagnet (talk) 23:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  clear it up! 

message: "Despite the fact that he himself is of Jewish ancestry"
Robert Novak has taken a pro-Palestinian stance. First of all, why do we need the first part? Is it appropriate to imply that being Jewish means you reflexively support Israel?
Ludicrous. This is POV, as the context is from the POV of a person who believes Jews ought to support Israel due to their Jewishness.
If it narrowed down WHICH Jews and within WHICH group of Jews within the larger group - and carefully worded it as such - then I could accept the caveat.
Like if it said:
'Unlike most mainstream reporters of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry in the UNited States, Novak supports the Palestinians.'
You have to narrow down who we're talking about. ALL JEWS? Some Jews? Jewish people within the mainstream media in the United States?
Simply saying 'of Jewish ancestry' is vague/broad and inappropriate. I'm deleting it now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.140.104.139 (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're too emotional to contribute to this article. Your deletion was disconsidered as partial, emotive and biased.200.142.114.24 (talk) 14:34, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "disconsidered as partial, emotive": And I have "disconsidered" your comment for poor grammar and making no sense. Cresix (talk) 14:57, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obvious POV 

message: "At his height, Novak was one of the fifth most read columnists in the U.S.[9]"
Perhaps this should read "At the height of his career, Novak was in top 20 percent of columnists most frequently read in the U.S."
My computer will not allow me to check the reference to make sure that this is what the original sentence means, but if it is, a re-wording of this sentence could make it sound less awkward.  WesUGAdawg (talk) 21:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the source said one of the five most-read columnists. I've edited accordingly. Thanks!  Frank    talk  21:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-word 

message: Does anyone oppose the use of columns in the reference list? I originally implemented , but that was considered to narrow by some, so I guess 45em would be okay. Does anyone disagree? —bender235 (talk) 22:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference list 

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message: Since his published 2001 admission of using Soviet/Russian spy Robert Hanssen as a primary source to criticize at least Janet Reno during the Clinton administration was a notable event, I've footnoted using two (2) secondary sources as expected, but also added a third ref linking to that original admission itself — even though it is an original source; at this point I don't need it as verification, I am offering it for detailed information, letting the late Novak speak for himself (and, oddly enough, in favor of Hanssen) in my own utter neutrality. – •Raven  .talk 02:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable events - added Clinton administration (use of Robert Hanssen) 

message: HI Can someone give input on the following:
He became a brother of the Alpha Epsilon Pi fraternity, at the time a mostly Jewish college fraternity, while attending the University of Illinois. Novak would later use the group's 'secret handshake' whenever he met fellow alumnus Wolf Blitzer.
The cited source had previously written in the obituary that the Jewish faith was a very small part of his life.  Does it justify two sentences in the wikipedia? Scranton (talk) 15:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alpha Epsilon Pi secret handshake