Talk:WKNR

message: I think that the Keener 13 material more properly belongs in the WDTW article, since that station is now using Keener's frequency.  I have deleted the Detroit AM template, since it does not link to any station on this page, and therefore it is confusing here.  --Hillrhpc 20:31, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Only one section/subsection is needed for the station's current programming.  Further splitting is unnecessary given the amt of content (two short paragraphs).  Per :WP:BODY: "Very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit the flow of the prose."   A single section titled "Current programming" adequately describes both regular (talk) and play-by-play programming.   Levdr1lp  (talk) 00:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Regular" vs "play by play" programming 

message: WHKW/Cleveland (1220 AM) carried the WKNR callsign for 10 years and 355 days, from July 13, 1990 to July 3, 2001.  WKNR/Cleveland (850 AM) has carried the WKNR callsign — including today, August 1, 2012 — for 11 years 29 days, from July 3, 2001 to the present.  In other words, WKNR/850 has carried the WKNR callsign longer than WHKW/1220 ever did.   Levdr1lp  (talk) 07:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In retrospect, this post of mine has little to do with improving the content of this article.  Please disregard it.  Levdr1lp / talk 11:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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Interesting note
 

message: As of January 2, 2013, Jim Rome's show will move from Premiere Networks to CBS Sports Radio (which is distributed by Cumulus).  WKNR will stil air the show (with a reference to back it up in the article), though it will now be distributed by Cumulus.  Vjmlhds 04:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly.  So wait until January 2 before making any changes.  Levdr1lp / talk 08:03, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jim Rome 

message: These type of lists are not especially helpful, if only because they fail to provide any context to the various "alum" ties to the station.  Moreover, each of these individuals is already linked in the body of the article.  Listing someone like Alan Freed alongside Michael Reghi makes little sense-- they worked for the station decades apart, under different call signs and formats.  Levdr1lp / talk 13:20, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Vjmlhds (talk) 13:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Alumni" list 

message: WKNR/850, the subject of this article, is the radio home of Ohio State football in Cleveland.  Ironically, WKNR/1220 (which now identifies as WHKW) is the radio home of Michigan football in Cleveland.  Funny how the present Cleveland WKNR airs the Buckeyes, while the former Cleveland WKNR currently airs its archrival the Wolverines.  Of course, while Cleveland likely claims a large Ohio State following, the city of Detroit is only 30 minutes from Ann Arbor, and so likely claims an even larger Michigan following.  And, strangely enough, Detroit is also home to WDTW, which is perhaps best known by its former callsign: WKNR. (Though I'm not sure if it ever aired either team along US-23).  Levdr1lp / talk 07:49, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In retrospect, this post of mine has little to do with improving the content of this article.  Please disregard it.  Levdr1lp / talk 11:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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WKNR, WKNR, rivals, and WKNR
 

message: OK - here we go:
I say bring it back as an article - a lot has happened in the interim to kick up the WP:N factor a notch ("Draft Day", adding Jerod Cherry)
Vjmlhds (talk) 06:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't see what the movie Draft Day has to do w/ splitting this article.  The station is never mentioned in the film, let alone the show.  Tony Rizzo provides a brief voiceover (in the form of an in-film radio broadcast during fictional GM Sonny Weaver, Jr.'s drive to work), and the camera does show a car radio tuned to "850 AM", but the cut is almost instantaneous and there's no on screen reference.  Even this Cleveland.com piece fails to mention "The Really Big Show" by name, instead referring to the real-life local radio hosts as simply "WKNR AM/850 sports-talkers".  Levdr1lp / talk 08:07, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Jumped the gun a tad...my bad.  But to the question at hand, does being a Talkers Heavy Hundred show qualify RBS to pass WP:N standards?  It has consistently ranked as such for several years, and is only 1 of 2 Ohio based shows (with Kiley & Booms) to make the list.  Being ranked as one of the top 100 (top 75 really) sports talk shows in the whole country by a legitimate national industry publication (ranking ahead of several national shows) counts for something...no?   Summarizing - Talkers Heavy Hundred, co-hosted by a 3-time Super Bowl winner, signature show on an NFL flagship station.  Vjmlhds (talk) 23:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A ranking is not nearly as convincing as an article from a reliable, independent outlet covering the show in detail.  The "3-time Super Bowl winner" & "NFL flagship" info is WP:OR and/or irrelevant w.r.t. establishing notability.  Levdr1lp / talk 23:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's a story from the L.A. Times talking about how RBS handled LeBron's return - does this move the needle? User:Vjmlhds (talk) 23:54, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's something from the Broadcast Film Critics Association - it's the bio for Ray Justavick (aka "RJ the Movie Critic"), where it talks about his role on the show and talks a bit about RBS itself. Vjmlhds (talk) 00:04, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, the LA Times link "moves the needle" to some extent.  The subject of that story is Cleveland sports radio in general and in the context of LeBron James' return, however, so I would want to see more reliable, independent sources b/f supporting a split.  (By the way, there's nothing wrong w/ local coverage so long as it's relatively in-depth and focuses on the show itself.)  The movie critic's bio is a passing reference for someone associated w/ the show (not independent), & would not help establish notability. WP:SIGCOV  Levdr1lp / talk 00:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:   Here's a story about how RBS got WKNR a big ol' fine from the FCC for allowing their "Who Said That" contest to drag on and on and having their prizes expire. Vjmlhds (talk) 00:43, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  From this point on I am going to refrain from using the  notification in this discussion as this really isn't supposed to be a one-on-one exchange.  As for the story involving the FCC -- and setting aside any concerns regarding just how independent LSGLegal.com is (does this law firm have a past or present relationship w/ WKNR and/or Good Karma?) -- it appears to focus more on the station's actions and less on the the show itself.  As for the larger issue (whether or not to split), please try to bear in mind that The Really Big Show is a local, semi-drive-time program airing in a mid-size radio market.  Radio shows typically have standalone articles only when they are syndicated, and even then there's never a guarantee of notability.  Consider the only radio shows in the Cleveland market which have articles. Rover's Morning Glory replaced Howard Stern through out the Midwest, including major markets Chicago and Detroit, and continues to syndicate to this day.  Weekend Radio may air on as many as 80 public radio stations throughout the country; this fact surfaced after I recently nominated it for deletion (it resulted in "no consensus", and I don't plan to renominate it specifically b/c of its history of syndication).  The Maxwell Show is somewhat of an exception; its notability is largely due to the amount of controversy it has generated (a story which basically implies anti-semitism from Cleveland Jewish News, a whole chapter devoted to the show in comedian Jim Norton's book, the Metallica prank and subsequent probation, the host's reported drug addiction and stint(s) in rehab, a recent somewhat unflattering profile in the Chicagoland Media blog, etc.).  In this context, I just don't see enough coverage for The Really Big Show to justify a standalone article.  With sources like this, and given the host's previous work at WJW (TV)/WMJI/WHK (AM)/etc., and given the amount of coverage he received during his recent court case, you're much better off writing a Tony Rizzo (media) article.  Levdr1lp / talk 14:03, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

text: I've hidden the Kenny Rogers image.  Feel free to restore it, but just know that I really don't think it belongs on an article talk page per WP:TPG#YES (keeping layout clear, etc.), and I'm probably not alone in feeling that way.  Either way, I still think there's probably enough coverage for a Tony Rizzo article.  Feel free to create one if like; I won't tag it for notability concerns or nominate it at AFD.  Levdr1lp / talk 16:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed split: ''[[The Really Big Show]]''<!-- retitled section for clarity --> 

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message: The Columbus Blue Jackets 2018-19 Media Guide does not list WKNR as a radio network affiliate (see page 32). And while the network webpage on the team website does list WKNR, it's not clear when that list was last updated. I'd prefer another source to verify that the station is currently a network affiliate. It's possible the webpage list is outdated and left over from when WKNR carried the Blue Jackets during the team's 2018 playoff run last spring.  Levdr1lp / talk 04:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue Jackets affiliation