Talk:Soltan Hoseyn

message: What was the name of Sultan Hussein's mother? Why wasn't this person named???  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.124.22.107 (talk) 08:18, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Page moved. While there are arguably multiple possible names that could work, consensus is that the proposed name fits COMMONNAME more than the current one. (non-admin closure) Garnarblarnar (talk) 05:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sultan Husayn → 
When writing "1722 Sultan Husayn" on Google search, it gives 163.000 results, whereas "1722 Soltan Hosayn" gives 379.000 results. Variants resembling the latter spelling gives 104.000 results ("1722 Soltan Hossein") and 311.000 results ("1722 Soltan Hosein") and 306.000 results ("1722 Soltan Hoseyn"). (Ehh.. for some reason the numbers keep heavily changing on my Google search, just in case the Google numbers may seem off).
The reason I included the 1722 date is to specifically distinguish him from other figures, as he is the only relevant figure with that name in regard to this event, as it marked the (temporary) downfall of his kingdom. Otherwise it would be problematic to get a better result, as tons of Muslim figures have that name and its variants.
The foremost Iranologists/historians of Iran use the spellings of Soltan Hosein/Hossein/Hosayn/Hosain/Hoseyn. Willem Floor and Rudi Matthee, arguably the most prominent scholars in Safavid studies, both use "Soltan Hoseyn" in some of their latest works, such as Safavid Iran and the “Turkish Question” or How to Avoid a War on Multiple Fronts (2022, Matthee) and The Monetary History of Iran: From the Safavids to the Qajars (2013, Floor).
Other notable sources include;
"Soltan-Hoseyn" - Safavid Persia in the Age of Empires: The Idea of Iran Vol. 10 (2021). I. B. Tauris. Written by multiple scholars, including Andrew J. Newman and Sussan Babaie.
"Soltan Hoseyn" - The Safavid World (2021). Routledge. Written by multiple scholars, including Floor. Edited by Matthee.
"Soltan Hosein" - The Sword of Persia: Nader Shah, from Tribal Warrior to Conquering Tyrant (2006). I. B. Tauris. Michael Axworthy 
"Soltan Hossein" - Iran in World History (2016). Oxford University Press. Richard Foltz
"Soltan Hosain" - Iran: A Modern History (2017). Yale University Press. Abbas Amanat
"Soltan Hosayn" - Encyclopædia Iranica
Moreover, it is important to note that "Sultan" (Soltan) was used as a name in Safavid Iran, and should not be confused with the kingly title of Sultan. Examples include "Khalil Soltan", "Shahqoli Soltan", "Soltan Ma'sum Soltan Torkman", etc (from Floor, Willem (2008). Titles and Emoluments in Safavid Iran: A Third Manual of Safavid Administration).
--HistoryofIran (talk) 00:02, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Support. I wonder why the english have a fancy for bizarre spellings such as "Suleiman" either, when it should be Soleyman in Persian or Süleyman in Turkish... but english sources (worst of all is the britannica encyclopedia) are unreliable when it comes to West Asian history. 2A01:CB00:4C3:D500:9136:B706:2CCC:BD1F (talk) 09:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That ngram is not accurate, as it includes other figures as well, such as the Timurid ruler Sultan Husayn Bayqara. Which is why I included 1722. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Support. Per aforementioned reasons. Amir Ghandi (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 13 June 2022 

message: @HistoryofIran I'm bringing this up because I'm not sure about it entirely. From what I have seen, the source linked there is the only one that seems to mention the Hotaks even conquered Kabul. I checked for other sources and there doesn't seem to be anything regarding this.
I've checked "Kabul Under The Mughal Rule (1504-1738 AD)" for example, and it has no mention of the Hotaks ever conquering Kabul, it remained under Mughal rule until Nader Shah.
Axworthy, and Ali's The National Awakening. has no mention of it. Is there any other source that can relay that the Afghans ever conquered Kabul in this period? Noorullah (talk) 05:16, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I'll check my sources later today. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @HistoryofIran Find anything? Noorullah (talk) 15:56, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ops sorry, I forgot about this. I removed it for now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, sounds good. I was just confused because I didn't find anything other then that source specifically that relayed anything about the Hotaks conquering Kabul. It reminded me of the old Hotak dynasty map. Noorullah (talk) 16:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabul 1712?