Talk:History of Poland (1939–1945)/Archive 1

message: I am requesting to start discussion to resolve dispute over the current, protected version of wikipedia.
There are currently 2 issues:
#Adam Carr's doubts about Armenian quote. If he has some substantial proves, he should discuss it, instead of making empty doubts.
#I object referring to the Eastren Poland as having Ukrainian/Bellorussian majority. This sentence is Stalin's opinion, originally saying that Soviet nationalities have majority in Eastern Poland. As we already established, this is not true.
:there is no Ukrainian/Bellorussian nation
:there were areas, where Ukrainians or Bellorussians had majority. There were areas where Poles had majority. There were areas where Jews had majority. However, statement that all areas East of Curzon line had Ukrainian or Bellorussian majority and all areas West of Curzon line had Polish majority is simple lie.
:most of all, most of Ukrainians and Bellorussians didn't want to be Soviet citizens.
#There were many people that believed, Poland was betrayed by Western allies. I don't think you can ignore that opinions. Make NPOV yes, but removing all references is falsification of history.
Instead shutting somebody's mouth over factual falsification, please discuss issues Cautious 16:41, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Current protection status

message: Well, seems like we have quite a good article here. This needs references though. Any other ideas for improvement before I submit this to Wikipedia:Peer review and eventually Wikipedia:Featured article candidates? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:07, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  References and peer review 

message: Why do strengh estimates differ from those in the Polish September Campaign articles? References please! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:17, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Specifically, this article gives Germans: 1.6 million troops, 250,000 trucks and other such motor vehicles, 67,000 artillery pieces, 4000 tanks, one cavalry division, 2000 plains, while PSC article - which has ilinked online references - gives 1,8 million soldiers, 10,000 guns, 2,800 tanks and 3,000 aircraft. Polish: 800,000 troops, including eleven cavalry brigades, two motorized brigades, 30,000 artillery pieces, and 120 tanks of the advanced 7-TP type. The Polish airforce consisted of 400 aircraft. 160 of them were PZL P.11c fighter aircraft, 31 PZL P.7a and 20 P.11a fighters, 120 PZL P.23 reconnaissance-bombers, and 45 PZL P.37 medium bombers. Meanwhile, PSW article sais: 1 million soldiers, 4,300 guns, 880 tanks, 435 aircraft. Few minor notes from the PSW article: only 600,000 Polish troops were mobilised by Sep 1. The 880 tanks are explained in the text as 132 7-TP and 300 tankettes. Polish fighers number: 169. This is rather confusing. See table at Talk:Polish September Campaign#Numbers, numbers in which I summed up the numbers and where I will post futher comments. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:32, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers, numbers 

message: Can anyone here please translate article about Karol Świerczewski for English Wikipedia ?
Thank you in advance (Fisenko 04:37, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I will begun translating into Karol Swierczewski. OOC, what brought your interest in him? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 09:32, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karol &#346;wierczewski 

message: "The Soviet Union could have assisted Poland, but the Poles feared Stalin's communism nearly as much as they feared Hitler's Nazism, and during 1939 they had refused to agree to any arrangement which would allow Soviet troops to enter Poland. The Nazi-Soviet Pact of August 1939 had ended any possibility of Soviet aid." - from article, paragraph 5, part "German and Soviet Invasion".
Sentence about "Soviet aid" being something which could have *really* helped Poland to defend against Nazism, which Poland has refused and what was it's own fault, is AFAIK completely wrong, since Soviet government wasn't interested in really helping Poland, instead it wanted to absorb Poland (just like Nazis), and having troops inside Poland's territory, that would be easier. If Soviet progpaganda was saying something else, you got it - that's propaganda. I think, that anyone who have heard anything about Soviet methods of "helping" other nations, will know what I mean. So, if other people will agree, I suggest to change "The Soviet Union could have assisted Poland, but the Poles feared Stalin's communism..." *at* *least* to "The Soviet Union could have "assisted" Poland, but the Poles feared Stalin's communism...". 80.51.51.27 18:45, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Soviet aid"