Talk:Æthelflæd

message: This gives some insight into the emergence of England from the union of Wessex and Mercia. The Danes overran most of the English Kingdoms such as Northumbria, Eastern Mercia, East Anglia etc. Alfred and his descendants reconquered these lands from the Danes by 896
I do not think this statement is true, does it have a reference? By the time of Alfred's death in 899 he had consolidated Wessex, Kent and the rump of Mercia into a Kingdom of the Anglo-Saxons. The Danelaw was still very much in existence and Danes controlled not only the five boroughs (basically east Mercia) but also East Anglia and Northumbria (with the exception of Bamburgh). Edward the Elder conquered East Anglia and and his sister Æthelflæd Lady of the Mercians conquered the five boroughs, these were incorporated into the Kingdom of the Anglo-Saxons. Athelstan Completed the conquest of England at the Battle of Brunanburh in 937. It was at this time that England became a Kingdom for the first time. This information is from The Age of Athelstan by Paul Hill. Alun 03:06, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is possible that the writer meant that it gave insight as in "an understanding of the motivational forces behind one's actions, thoughts, or behavior"; meaning it gave an idea of how it came to be. Although he didn't bring England to be as we know it, he contribuited to it in some extent. Of course I might be wrong, but I guess it's just a matter of interpretation of the sentence. Diana Prallon (talk) 05:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unification of England

message: I am not sure that there is a good source for the story about her ambush on her way to her wedding. It is not mentioned in the Chronicle, in William of Malmsbury or any of the usual suspects. Is there actually a source for this story? If not, I would rather see it out of the article. Selina.
:I skimmed through Walker's Mercia and it isn't mentioned, nor does Henry of Huntingdon have anything like that, nor "Florence of Worcester". Angus McLellan  (Talk) 21:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just in case this story ever pops up again: it is from the book The Edge on the Sword by Rebecca Tingle. It is pure speculation from a fiction book. Evil berry (talk) 07:53, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Aetheflaeda's Ambush

message: The http://www.number8.org/What's-On/Gallery/Craft-Exhibitions/163/Pershore_Heritage_Centre_-_'Royal_Visits'.html web page includes the following.
[quote]
It's known that Aethelflaeda, the daughter of King Alfred, often visited the early monastery at Pershore, whilst relics of his grand-daughter, acquired for the abbey, resulted in the town becoming something of a pilgrimage centre. 
[/quote]
There is no statement on the page as to the evidence for this, yet this note here is added in case it may be of interest.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.120.36 (talk) 12:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Connection to Pershore, Worcestershire

message: I changed the previous line about her being featured in Sword Song; Ethelfleda first makes an appearance in the first book of the series and becomes clearly important to Uthred from much earlier than the fourth book (he even claims to have sworn himself to Alfred only because she was watching, and it is his affections for her that make her such a big character in the last novel), although I kept the reference of the book. Diana Prallon (talk) 05:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Saxon Stories|Saxon Stories]]

message: This article was quite properly listed for copyright review given its resemblance to this 2009 blog: . There's no question that there's some similarity, but in spite of the blog author's assertion that "This is entirely self written from my own thoughts. If there are any similarities between other online entries, it is simply by coincidence", Wikipedia did not copy from it. Compare the following passage from that blog:
Our article on 18 December 2009 said:
The first sentence in that passage was added by an unregistered user to Wikipedia on 20 November 2005, , over four years before that blog entry was written. The second sentence is even older, having been part of the foundation of the article in 2002. The third sentence entered the article in November 2004, .
Given this, one has to wonder about the blog disclaimer. Perhaps somebody pointed out the similarities between her blog entry and this long-standing Wikipedia article. Whatever the case may be there, there's clearly no borrowing here. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:59, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Similarities to Saire's blog

message: Should there be a section listing references to her in fictional books etc...? (e.g. Bernard Cornwell's "Death of Kings" has a lot of the story involving her). Maitchy (talk) 09:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's usually better to let the links go the other way -- from the article about Cornwell's book to here, for example.  The only reason to discuss those references here would be if a secondary source about Æthelflæd discusses them as significant.  Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:54, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Many Wikipedia articles on historical figures have a section on their portrayals in popular culture - books, films, plays etc - with those most often portrayed, such as Alfred the Great, Richard III, Henry VIII and Charles I having separate articles on their cultural depictions. Others who have not been portrayed as often, such as King John and Edward V, have this within their main articles. Æthelflæd has not been portrayed very often, so it makes sense to include portrayals of her in the main article. Therefore the entry "In the 2017 television series The Last Kingdom she was played by Millie Brady." should remain under the sub-heading "In popular culture". RGCorris (talk) 11:21, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer not to include it -- it doesn't tell the reader anything about her.  If a reliable source that is primarily about her mentions the show, perhaps to comment on its accuracy, then we could do so. Let's wait for others to comment here. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 12:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Æthelflæd is a Featured Article, and it is monitored for content reaching FA standard. The only article you mention as having a cultural depiction section which is FA is John, King of England, and the 'Popular representations' section is referenced to academic discussions. This is quite different from who played her in a TV series, which as Mike say tells us nothing about her. The article on John has a link to Cultural depictions of John, King of England, and the Æthelflæd article could similarly have a link to Cultural depictions of Æthelflæd in a 'See also' section. This would obviously be very short, but other people could add to it.  Dudley Miles (talk) 16:59, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems like a reasonable approach. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The Last Kingdom is a pretty high-budget international production, and Æthelflæd is a fairly major character in the drama. I've no strong feelings either way about whether it should be acknowledged on this project page or in Cultural depictions of Æthelflæd, but I think i should be captured somewhere. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:10, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the above suggestion by Dudley Miles to link to a separate article, but I think something like Depictions of Æthelflæd in popular culture would be easier for readers to find.Seraphim System (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created the page Cultural depictions of Æthelflæd (using the same terminology as the equivalent page for her father Alfred the Great) - perhaps those interested can add other mentions of her apart from the Cornwell books and TV series ? RGCorris (talk) 16:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

text: Had no idea that there would be so much interest in this character. I went ahead and added the Last Kingdom citation before reading this section. Wasn't trying to start an edit war! Student7 (talk) 21:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a link to the Cultural page at the top of the Legacy section. RGCorris (talk) 21:28, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Æthelflæd in popular culture 

message: Did a quick ce, blammed a few typos, wayward commas and put quotes in  format. Rv as desired; good read by the way. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 15:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much. I do not like putting the author at the end of quotes as it duplicates the name at the start, but apart from that I am happy with your edits. I have nominated the article for A-Class at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Æthelflæd, and should be grateful if you have time to comment there. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:11, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Always a pleasure, I did the quotations like that because there's a WP somewhere but I doubt it's essential. I couldn't keep Gargamadua from Chelmsford 123 out of my mind though.;o)) Regards Keith-264 (talk) 17:31, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  CE 

message: I've tried four variations to fix the intro sentence, but the additional word or three is too verbose. Rather than collaborate, I've been reverted each time. Please try to collaborate on a phrasing that follows the WP:LEDE suggestions, since they are not onerous. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry if this seems terse and uncollaborative, but I'm of the opinion that it isn't broken, so doesn't need fixing. I'm also rather busy with other things, which I understand will also tend to make my contributions appear terse and uncollaborative. Citing WP:OWN doesn't help. Nortonius (talk) 16:07, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing intro sentence 

message: Since the name is historical, involving non-standard ligatures, could we add Template:IPAc-en to the lead to ease the pronunciation? Brandmeistertalk   12:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA 

message: I notice that there's been some recent editing and reverting of this section. In my opinion, it's perfectly valid to acknowledge Æthelflæd's portrayal as a major character in The Last Kingdom, which is a fairly high-profile dramatisation. Let's discuss it here and see what the consensus is. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 08:32, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a conversation about this a couple of sections above, which you may want to join. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: (Scrolls up) Ooh, yes. Thanks, I completely missed that! I'll join in there :-)  ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:05, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: Re the map of england that you reverted, I don't understand why you said it's "too early to be relevant". The map describes the sitation in 878, within the decade of the subject's birth. About 50% of the content in the "Backround" section is from 860s and 870s. In any case, when I was reading the section I (a layman) often  struggle with placing where Wessex, Mercia and the Danish terriories were, and when I found the map in commons I found it very helpful. If this map is inappropriate for some reason, please consider adding another map. HaEr48 (talk) 21:08, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a fair point. My main objection to the map is that I think the 'Kingdom of Guthrum' would confuse readers. When I worked on her husband Æthelred, Lord of the Mercians I did find a map expert to create , but when I tried to get someone to do the same for Æthelflæd I got no response. I think that the Æthelred map would be suitable, but I am uneasy that one labelled as 'at the time of Æthelred' would be seen by some readers as sexist. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: This reads very wonky. The section is fairly substantial, yet a very small portion of it has been shunted away as its own article: Cultural depictions of Æthelflæd.
Why isn't all the Legacy material moved to a subarticle if the section is too long? Conversely, ff the section isn't too long, why not simply merge back the small piece about cultural depictions? CapnZapp (talk) 11:21, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The legacy section is about how historians see Æthelflæd. The cultural depictions article for people who are interested in fictional portrayals of her, but which do not tell us anything about the historical character and are therefore not relevant to the main article. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trivia sections#"In popular culture" and "Cultural references" material. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:37, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy section 

message: Did she actually get abducted as the show, “the last kingdom” depicts? 47.220.164.179 (talk) 18:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact Check