Talk:Turkey in the Straw

message: At http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/westernfiddle/tmy_fiddlers_1987.html we read:
:Most scholars attribute its melody to an eighteenth-century British air called "The Rose Tree." 
If that claim is true, and we can find a good citation, we should probably add that to the article. Adam Di Carlo 19:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This content now moved here. Ibadibam (talk) 21:57, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Rose Tree"

message: Any relation to "Do Your Ears Hang Low"? They sound alike. Jigen III 13:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement seems to have appeared in the article, but I don't think the tunes are the same. Can't find a downloadable recording of Turkey so I'm not sure. DJ Clayworth 14:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Very similar tune. I'd guess "Ears" was based on it, with the phrasing changed a bit. -- Infrogmation 15:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  We don't have an article on campfire song and I'm at a loss to know where a relevent article would be, if we have one yet for this sort of oral tradition folk music. -- Infrogmation 15:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While the two are very similar, they are not exactly the same.  The best places to note the difference is toward the end of the chorus, the notes are different. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.149.237.77 (talk) 07:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I suspect that these two songs would fit Samuel Preston Bayard's definition of a "melodic family"  Isn't the "ears" an 18th century tune, with referrence to a "Continental soldier"? Pustelnik 21:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do Your Ears Hang Low 

message: I think the melody is from Guillaume Tell by Rossini. --W. Kronf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.132.167.79 (talk) 09:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubt it. They sound little alike. — Brian (talk) 10:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: William Tell

message: Well, I had a little chicken, and she wouldn't lay an egg,/
So I poured hot water up and down her leg./
Oh! the little chicken pleaded, and the little chicken begged,/
And the little chicken laid me a hard 'boilt' egg.
I also like this one, as it exemplifies the idea of "vagrant" or "transient" verses and the thought that some verses were sung impromptu to dance tunes.
There's an old man settin' in the corner of a mill,/
And the wheel goes around of its own free will./
Oh, the wheat is in the hopper and the corn is in the sack--/
Gents, step forward!  Ladies, step back!
(Those are in a North Carolina version from the nineteen-oughts.)
Terry J. Carter (talk) 23:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variants on the "Hot Water" Verse 

message: http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/recordings/detail/id/1999
at 2:00 in to this 1910 routine Billy Golden performs a version of Turkey in the Straw.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glipkerio (talk • contribs) 21:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Library of Congress Turkey in the Straw 

message: Anyone out there need to discuss coming coming edits based on information that can currently be found here? http://books.google.com/books?id=VhV1u2oIb-QC&pg=PP3&lpg=PP3&dq=The+Americana+Song+Reader&source=bl&ots=CyZE1SphLi&sig=O3q1Nx000svgFBCs-xP_4qsrUGE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yrrcUYacH4_Q9AS8roDADA&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=turkey%20in&f=false Steve Pastor (talk) 01:46, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page 58 of The Americana Song Reader By William Emmett Studwell 

message: It sounds like the early part of the song was used for the Drunken Barn Dance segment in the 1st season finale episode "Cartman's Mom Is a Dirty Slut", however they never move on the the later more recognizable part. If it's the song, they just repeat the beginning a bunch of times. I don't have much of an ear for music so perhaps someone could confirm?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerald0896 (talk • contribs) 12:13, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Park Drunken Barn Dance? 

message: I think the medley is wonderful, as far as the sound goes, but the fact that it mixes two tunes seems to make it inappropriate for this page.  Could we edit it down to just Turkey in the Straw or find another performance? Phiwum (talk) 19:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The medley on the page 

message: This racist variant of Turkey in the Straw has no independent notability. The article relies almost entirely on a smattering of news articles about ice cream trucks from 2014 – far short of enduring coverage. 
I did find a few brief mentions of the song in higher quality sources (not cited in the current version), but they support merging: they discuss the original Turkey in the Straw and the more overtly racist lyrics together, because both were used in minstrelsy and obviously when played from an ice cream truck you can't tell the difference. – Joe (talk) 15:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Nigger Love a Watermelon, Ha! Ha! Ha!]] into [[Turkey in the Straw]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Turkey in the Straw's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "npr":
From Andrew Jackson: 
From Nigger Love a Watermelon, Ha! Ha! Ha!: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:38, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, thank you Mr. or Ms. Robot. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 23:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Turkey in the Straw]] 

message: This has got to be the worst version of Whiskey in the Jar I have ever heard.
Luke Ceallaigh and the Dubhlinners do it properly:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sO36TRhzOJU
"As I was going over the far-famed Ciarraí mountains"
...
"There's uisce in the jar"
Sad to hear such a great Irish song turned into such racist muck.
121.127.212.32 (talk) 07:27, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whiskey in the Jar 

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