Talk:Fabre d'Églantine

message: There are a couple of problems with the 1911 Britannica text from which this is mainly taken.
a) Fabre was singing his famous song Il Pleut at the time of his trial.  This seems highly unlikely as Fabre was apparently already half-dead from some respiratory condition - possibly tuberculosis - during his trial.
b) Documents still in existence prove his innocence in the East India Company affair:  In fact Fabre initially supported the investigation by Delaunay into the matter, with Delaunay believing that Fabre would assist in the falsifying of documents to liquidate the company in favour of the speculators.  To an extent Fabre did this, although there was a second amendment carried out by Delaunay, Chabot and the Frei brothers without Fabre's complicity.  Only later - and possibly under pressure from Danton or Robespierre - did Fabre turn on Delaunay and thus further incriminate those who took part.  The whole East India Company affair is a complex one, worthy of an article in itself (and with someone of a better legal mind than mine) if one does not already exist —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.64.216.158 (talk • contribs) 26 May 2006.
: Agreed -- David Andress's The Terror (p. 252) also states that Fabre was, in fact, in on the conspiracy and did profit from the East India Company debacle. Jpatokal (talk) 04:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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message: Though it is indeed a wild rose, the Eglantine is not, strictly speaking, the same as a dog rose (Rosa canina) as stated here. It is Rosa eglanteria, today classified as Rosa rubiginosa and commonly called the Sweet Briar, prized for its fragrant foliage, redolent of green apples, and immortalized by Shakespeare in Puck's speech "I know a bank where the wild thyme blows ... quite overcanopied with luscious woodbine, with sweet musk roses and with Eglantine." Myself, I would like to know more about the 18th century "galant" custom of men taking the names of flowers given to them for some service (in the form of silver tokens) by women, as in Fan Fan la Tulipe, a folk hero who was the subject of the 1952 film of that name starring Gérard Philipe. Mballen (talk) 03:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  matters botanical 

message: According to French wikipedia (which bristles with annotations) our subject did not receive a prize of a silver eglantine (wild rose, not to get into exactly which species it was) from the Toulouse academy, as supposed by his early biographers, but of a silver lily (lys). There was an eglantine awarded, but it was a higher prize and was made of gold. Fabré, an actor as well as poet-lyricist, took the stage /pen name Eglantine because he thought d'Eglantine sounded more elegant with Fabré (Smith) than "de Lys" (of the lily). Hillary Mantell's novel has him fraudulently awarding a non-existent prize to himself as part of his CV, but he did, in historical fact, receive a prize, at least if French wiki is to be believed. Mballen (talk) 04:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: The prize

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