Talk:Role-playing game

message: I don't think the John Kim sources meet the definition of WP:reliable sources. They're all from a self-published website. I think we should be replacing these sources with reliable sources, which we now have quite a number of listed above. Ryan Paddy (talk) 19:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --The Yar (talk) 22:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  John H Kim sources 

message: The Purpose section in this article is confusing and out-of-place.  It is only talking about a very specific subset of RPGs (as the sources clearly indicate), but extrapolates these statements as if they were the purpose of the entire RPG article.  Furthermore, the sources appear to be purposefully hand-picked from a collection of opinion pieces that collectively contradict one another and do not present any clear facts.  Does this need a "Purpose" section?  What purpose is being served here?  At the least, it should be cleaned up with more reliable sources and more accurate and general summaries of the facts presented in those sources.  --The Yar (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole article used to be almost entirely about tabletop RPGs. We moved all that content to Role-playing game (pen and paper), but an editor moved Purpose back here. I think it's a good idea to have a purpose section in this article, but agree that the existing one is poorly referenced in terms of roleplaying games in general. Ryan Paddy (talk) 19:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose 

message: I'm going to delete this line. "However, they are not considered true narratives like novels or films  as there is no actual story within a role-playing game."
This is too strongly stated. An RPG system doesn't include a story, but game sessions do unless they're randomized or improvised. D&D modules or video game RPGs almost always include a story, for instance. And just two sentences later the article itself says: "Whereas a viewer of a television show is a passive observer, a player at a role-playing game makes choices that affect the story."
I weakened this to "... the game need not have a strongly-defined storyline"
--Mujokan (talk) 17:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a reasonable change. It would be nice to have some more sources around RPGs and narrative, and the purpose of RPGs. Ryan Paddy (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story 

message: Do we need a link to Polish role-playing games next to Japanese role-playing games ? I don't see first one's relevance. 88.23.210.217 (talk) 10:48, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Both should be removed. They're already listed under Role-playing game (pen and paper) and that's where they belong, not here. Ryan Paddy (talk) 00:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also 

message: There's an article about defining role-playing games in the second edition of the International Journal of Role-Playing Games, which has just been released. Accessable here: http://www.journalofroleplaying.org/ - there is some good material and sources in this which may be useful for this article. In particular, I think it would be helpful to summarise various common aspects of RPGs such as Game Word and Characters in this article, as we currently do with Gamemaster. Ryan Paddy (talk) 19:54, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  IJRP 

message: I believe there was brief talk was on RPVG if i remember before someone realized that the article was not about video game rpgs.陣内Jinnai 22:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The tag has been there for months, but there is no ongoing discussion about a possible merge. The purpose of the tag is to draw attention to a discussion that's underway, but there isn't one. Also, Japanese role-playing game certainly shouldn't be merged to this article. If anything it could be merged to Role-playing game (pen and paper). This article is about role-playing games in general, and covers computer RPGs, MMORPGS, larps, and tabletop RPGs. JRPGs are specifically a type of tabletop RPG. Ryan Paddy (talk) 03:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  JRPG 

message: This is a fairly obscure doc, but it documents numerous aspects of dnd and rpg culture. I think it needs to be mentioned, either in the "see also" or elsewhere. It doesnt have much online to support it being given a paragraph, though. (ps its really moving, pps im not the director)(mercurywoodrose)76.245.45.179 (talk) 06:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Dungeon Masters]]

message: I've proposed to move Role-playing game (pen and paper) to Tabletop role-playing game. Please comment on the talk page with your support or opposition and reasons. Ryan Paddy (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move of "Role-playing game (pen and paper)" 

message: I feel there's a gap needing to be filled between MUDs and MMORPGs in terms of the online multiplayer RPGs that cannot be labelled massive. Even if it only consists in the Neverwinter Nights series of games (as I'm aware), I feel it deserves mentioning and linked to, considering the major success and impact the games had (and to an extend still have). If there exists other significant non-massive MORPGs, those could be mentioned too.
I'm suggesting something along the lines of:
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"In addition to the MMORPGs, there exists a few games that rely on smaller multiplayer roleplay setups, such as Neverwinter Nights (2002) and Neverwinter Nights 2 (2006). Significant to these games is that they for allow select players to act as Gamemaster. Combined with the smaller amount of players, this provides for a more traditional roleplay experience bearing resemblance to the classic tabletop variant."
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This could be added to the Multi-player section between "Massively multi-player online role-playing games" and "Computer-assisted gaming"-
Z217 (talk) 14:01, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't an MMORPG just a MUD with a larger number of players? Having a DM/GM does set the game apart, but I personally don't feel it's so novel to warrant its own article. I mean, adding graphics to a MUD is pretty novel but you'll still find discussion about graphical MUDs in the article on MUDs, not a separate article. (The section is very short, I'll admit, but that's because graphics and increased player count typically go hand-in-hand.) Ultimately, if you can find a number of high quality sources to justify such an article, it can probably be done. I just don't think they're out there. But that's just my $0.02. Wyatt Riot (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is different enough that it should be listed, if reliable sources can confirm it. However, unless they use Neverwinter Nights, we shouldn't use them as an example. There are others, such as the White Wolf inspired Vampire games. I'm sure there are a few more.∞陣内Jinnai 15:12, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-massive multiplayer roleplaying games 

message: Wikipedia isn't a good place to try to settle outstanding disagreements over terminology and the hyphen in "role-playing" is a hotly contested item. As a result, I've added a blurb with references at the start of the article, but here are a few additional examples from titles of books and games:
# Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Core Rulebook
#: From their community license terms: "You may refer to our game using the phrase "The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game" (never just "Pathfinder" or "The Pathfinder RPG")."
# Mouse Guard Roleplaying Game
# Open Game Table, the Anthology of Roleplaying Game Blogs
# Dungeons & Dragons Roleplaying Game Starter Set
# World of Warcraft the Roleplaying Game
# D20 Modern Roleplaying Game: A D20 System Core Rulebook
# The Lord of the Rings Roleplaying Game: Core Book
# The Marvel Universe Roleplaying Game: Guide to the X-Men
# Discworld Roleplaying Game: Adventures on the Back of the Turtle
Also "tabletop roleplaying" from Patterns in Game Design by Staffan Björk and Jussi Holopainen among many other works. -Miskaton (talk) 00:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm dubious that this minor punctuation variation matters enough to warrant uglifying the introductory sentence. Especially given that the same logic could be applied to live action role-playing game, tabletop role-playing game, etc., logically requiring us to uglify the opening sentence of all of those as well. I'm entirely open to either with or without the hyphen (I prefer without), but I think we need to pick one and just use that, because the presence or absence of a hyphen isn't especially significant to the reader. In terms of picking one, I think it's a matter of what spelling is most commonly used and therefore most recognisable and natural per WP:TITLE. Also, I'm inclined to go with the "leave well enough alone" approach that's normally applied to alternative spellings - this is a minor spelling difference and not worth renaming masses of roleplaying articles over. Note also that both of your citations are examples of the term without a hyphen, they don't directly address the presence or absence of a hyphen, so any inference from them regarding hyphens would be WP:OR. Ryan Paddy (talk) 20:31, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roleplaying 

message: I can find no section on history of role-playing games. What was the first RPG? Then I found History of role-playing games. Why doesn't this page link to that page?
Oskar Liljeblad (talk) 20:16, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. I'll add it. Wyatt Riot (talk) 20:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of role-playing games? 

message: I'm wondering if the whole See also section should be reorganized to make it a tad less cluttered. I'm thinking something like this:
* Role-playing game terms
* History of role-playing games
*: Timeline of role-playing games
* Lists of role-playing games
*: by name
*: by genre
*: of Japan and Poland
* Lists of role-playing game
*: artists
*: designers
*: publishers
* List of campaign settings
* Gaming conventions
Just a quick and dirty revision. Ideas? Wyatt Riot (talk) 20:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization of See also section 

message: Good afternoon, all.
I've been wanting to add a wikipedia page for a roleplaying game that's relatively new on the market and funded via Kickstarter, which I believe makes it at least somewhat deserving of notoriety. I've only got very minimal experience editing and modifying wikis though. I'd raised a talk page asking if people with more experience or practice would be able to assist me with this, as the biggest contribution I've been able to make to wikipedia thus far was helping restructure the Wraith the Oblivion page. As pages for games are bound to sound at very least vaguely like advertising simply because they are a product for consumers, I was hoping we could get a few additional people willing to help a newcomer like me to assist in structuring the page to wiki standards. But I'm saddened that user Deb instead decided to delete the page outright, so evidently my work was either not up to standards at all or she was too hasty, I suspect the former. Sadly I also don't know how to undo this deletion, so I'm afraid that I'm rather left at this juncture with no practical idea or understanding as to how I can create a wiki page on any new product at all :( If anyone has a free few moments, could they maybe help me get this page up and running to appropriate wiki standards? It'd be for the game Shadows of Esteran, which I'd argue is notable as it has some decent praise on RPG.net and has at least one product available. Really, any help at all here would be very much appreciated, I'm simply rather disheartened and at a loss as to how I can start getting some good contributions through to this site :( Anyway, thanks in advance! Justin.Parallax (talk) 10:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're looking for collaborators, you'll probably want to use Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Role-playing games rather than here. This Talk page is for discussion of the article Role-playing game, not for general discussion of RPG-related articles on Wikipedia. Wikipedia:WikiProject Role-playing games is the official project of editors who work on all RPG-related articles. As far as User:Deb deleting your article, that user specifically refers to WP:DEL-REASON on User talk:Deb so you'll probably want to read that. If you'd like some time to work on an article, you'll find some help at Help:Userspace draft. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on my Talk page or start a new discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Role-playing games. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 01:34, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding page for new games 

message: * 
— Preceding unsigned comment added by God's Godzilla (talk • contribs) 21:23, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say no. It's a private forum/fansite that requires registration and doesn't serve as a unique resource about the subject itself. That covers WP:ELNO 1, 6, 10, 11, and 13 right there. It doesn't look like anybody in the role-playing world–press, publishers, or notable fansites–link to it, which says a lot as well. I'm sure it's a great community, but linking to great communities isn't what we're about. Woodroar (talk) 23:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. WP:ELNO is pretty clear about this sort of thing. The site may be great, but it's not a good match for Wikipedia. Request has been set to answered. Grayfell (talk) 23:42, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

text: Oh, thanks for using the template, though! The effort to avoid spamming is noticed and appreciated. Grayfell (talk) 23:44, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 27 November 2016 

message: Should this article say that there are no winners or losers in role-playing games, unlike ordinary board games? Vorbee (talk) 16:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There can be losers. Your character can die or you can fail in a quest or other objective.  You can also succeed, just like a character in a novel or film. Perhaps more notably unusual is that it's a co-operative form of game (usually) with players working together rather than opposing each other. IN fact, I find it very strange that this latter fact is mentioned nowhere in the article.  It's one of the defining differences of RPGs compared to other types of game, even when played with miniatures and resembling a board game.  2.28.151.222 (talk) 22:51, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: No winners or losers

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