Talk:National Anthem of the Republic of China

message: Yeah it's not called "San Min Chu I" in Chinese. And I've never heard the title called "Three Principles of the People" in English, it's always "ROC National Anthem."
Sign your comments if you want anyone to reply. It's called Sanmin Zhuyi because it's its opening line. Lots of songs are named that way. eg. Das Horst Wessel Lied is also Die Fahne Hoch from its opening line. 
Anyway, would an editor please find a mp3 file of the song? -Hmib 05:36, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This oversight has been corrected. -- Миборовский U|T|C|E 07:53, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Any particular reason? -- 我♥中國 02:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Seeing this is an article on the Republic of China (Taiwan), a nation that uses traditional Chinese as its official written language. I don't think it's a good idea. Wen 21:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anthem 

message: :To the anon editor who deleted his above comments: Regardless of whether you consider the ROC a nation, there's only one way to correctly translate into English "中華民國國歌". -- 我♥中國 02:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NATIONAL anthem? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:ROC National Anthem inst.ogg

message: I reverted the edit concerning the status of the song in Hong Kong and Macau. User:210.17.198.70 made an edit saying that this song is not encouraged in Hong Kong and Macau, however, it does not say it is not encouraged by whom. Moreover, I don't see any verifiable evidence that the song is not encouraged by the government, people in general, or any particular organisation in Hong Kong. What I am sure and factual is that it is rare to hear this song in Hong Kong and Macau. So to say that this song is disencouraged there is just a POV sentence. Thus I reverted the edit. Salt (talk) 04:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The song in Hong Kong and Macau 

message: I doubt if it is necessary to provide a Xiao'erjing transliteration in English Wikipedia. Xiao'erjing is mainly used by Dungan people and was not an official transliteration system accepted by the government of Republic of China. There're many Chinese romanizations and in my opinion in this article we should use Zhuyin Fuhao, Wade-Giles and Hanyu Pinyin (after 2008 in Taiwan) as they were used by the ROC government. -- Ericmetro (talk) 10:33, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xiao'erjing transliteration 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: Speedy Close. WP:POINT. Jiang (talk) 20:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: SPEEDY CLOSE: Ridiculous for this IP to dictate how these articles must be lumped together, especially China Airlines and The China Post. Can someone tell me what is "unfree area of Taiwan"? The only moves I can sympathize with are List of political parties in the Republic of China and List of diplomatic missions in the Republic of China. HkCaGu (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
===Move request: Concerns===
Regarding the concerns raised above, some of these articles, such as Vice President, Premier, list of premiers, list of diplomatic missions, law, armed forces, supreme court, central bank, list of political parties, national day, constitution, etc., are more descriptive rather than official titles. And regarding Jiang's closing remarks, I don't agree this is WP:POINT. I've explained why the move request has to be bundled. If you think any particular article  isn't relevant, single that particular article out. Or else it's strawman argument. 202.64.189.90 (talk) 01:05, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Nominating multiple pages to be moved at the same time is done either (1) to enact a systemic change of formatting across almost identically named articles e.g. Talk:Washington_Initiative_1029#Move.3F or (2) because it is necessary to move an existing article out of the target location e.g. Talk:Pompadour_(hairstyle)#Requested_move as part of a series of interrelated moves. Finding multiple articles relating to Taiwan with "China" in the title and proposing that the word "China" be replaced with "Taiwan" in all instances is not an appropriate use of the RM process. Frankly, I think you may have a point with a couple of these proposed changes, but the majority have no chance of being approved, so nominating them here is just plainly disruptive and detracting from those that deserve discussion.--Jiang (talk) 03:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not it is ok to suggest a group of moves together, I don't think the group above should all be located together.  I see at least two and possibly three groups (that is, if we want to discuss more than one move at a time).  The Central Bank of China, China Airlines, and the China Post are, as I understand, simply the names of organizations.  The are not descriptive - they're just names.  I think they are poorly chosen names, but they are nonetheless the names.  I don't see what argument can be made for moving their articles.  In the second group would be descriptions of people and institutions within the Republic of China government.  And I think there may be a third group where the descriptions are also proper titles.  (if, for example, the official title for the premier of Taiwan is "Premier of the Republic of China"). In my opinion all the names are best left the way they are.  The proper names should obviously stay put.  The other names, describing institutions more closely associated with the Republic of China government than with the country Taiwan, should keep the government's name.  However I know there are others who prefer to use Taiwan as the common name.  Whatever the final outcome, I hope more thought can be put into the move request both to filter out items that clearly shouldn't move and to group articles more carefully. Readin (talk) 07:18, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:UCN and WP:ON shall apply. 202.64.189.90 (talk) 20:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Could you advise what I can do to nominate the relevant ones en bulk? 202.64.189.90 (talk) 20:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: None of these should be nominated together. As noted above,  List of political parties in the Republic of China and List of diplomatic missions in the Republic of China probably have a good chance of passing. I suggest that you nominate these separately. I don't suggest you nominate any of the others.--Jiang (talk) 06:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why do I have to do it separately? Why can't I group the similar ones? They may not be one big groups.. there can be three groups or so. 202.64.189.90 (talk) 08:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move request

message: Regarding the concerns raised above, some of these articles, such as Vice President, Premier, list of premiers, list of diplomatic missions, law, armed forces, supreme court, central bank, list of political parties, national day, constitution, etc., are more descriptive rather than official titles. And regarding Jiang's closing remarks, I don't agree this is WP:POINT. I've explained why the move request has to be bundled. If you think any particular article  isn't relevant, single that particular article out. Or else it's strawman argument. 202.64.189.90 (talk) 01:05, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nominating multiple pages to be moved at the same time is done either (1) to enact a systemic change of formatting across almost identically named articles e.g. Talk:Washington_Initiative_1029#Move.3F or (2) because it is necessary to move an existing article out of the target location e.g. Talk:Pompadour_(hairstyle)#Requested_move as part of a series of interrelated moves. Finding multiple articles relating to Taiwan with "China" in the title and proposing that the word "China" be replaced with "Taiwan" in all instances is not an appropriate use of the RM process. Frankly, I think you may have a point with a couple of these proposed changes, but the majority have no chance of being approved, so nominating them here is just plainly disruptive and detracting from those that deserve discussion.--Jiang (talk) 03:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not it is ok to suggest a group of moves together, I don't think the group above should all be located together.  I see at least two and possibly three groups (that is, if we want to discuss more than one move at a time).  The Central Bank of China, China Airlines, and the China Post are, as I understand, simply the names of organizations.  The are not descriptive - they're just names.  I think they are poorly chosen names, but they are nonetheless the names.  I don't see what argument can be made for moving their articles.  In the second group would be descriptions of people and institutions within the Republic of China government.  And I think there may be a third group where the descriptions are also proper titles.  (if, for example, the official title for the premier of Taiwan is "Premier of the Republic of China"). In my opinion all the names are best left the way they are.  The proper names should obviously stay put.  The other names, describing institutions more closely associated with the Republic of China government than with the country Taiwan, should keep the government's name.  However I know there are others who prefer to use Taiwan as the common name.  Whatever the final outcome, I hope more thought can be put into the move request both to filter out items that clearly shouldn't move and to group articles more carefully. Readin (talk) 07:18, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:UCN and WP:ON shall apply. 202.64.189.90 (talk) 20:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Could you advise what I can do to nominate the relevant ones en bulk? 202.64.189.90 (talk) 20:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: None of these should be nominated together. As noted above,  List of political parties in the Republic of China and List of diplomatic missions in the Republic of China probably have a good chance of passing. I suggest that you nominate these separately. I don't suggest you nominate any of the others.--Jiang (talk) 06:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why do I have to do it separately? Why can't I group the similar ones? They may not be one big groups.. there can be three groups or so. 202.64.189.90 (talk) 08:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Move request: Concerns

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:National Anthem of Bolivia which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 18:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: I dont think there is any debate on the subject but apparently there is. In the inbox for the page National Anthem of the Republic of China should the flag/description be  or ? The President of the Republic of China (aka the President of Taiwan) said this in an interview with the BBC yesterday "we call ourselves the Republic of China (Taiwan)” you cant question that. Also  I would appreciate either a retraction of your assertion that my single revert of your edit broke WP:3RR or evidence that I did as you contend. Tagging . Horse Eye Jack (talk) 22:54, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: there is no Republic of China (Taiwan) in the official law of the Taiwan, the easiest way to confirm this is just to look at a taiwanese passport, on the seal it is written "Republic of China", there is no "(Taiwan)" in the seal since passport are official document and have to obey official Taiwan laws. while the president may have use this term in speech and their office, the constitution clearly state that it is the constitutional law that has the sole power to determine the national status and official titles and the president should have no power to change it. this is intentionally written into law because the 2 major political parties fear a rogue president may just announce 'Taiwan is part of PRC' or Taiwan is the 'Republic of Taiwan'. both scenario scares the hell out of the political parties, I really suggest people understand a country's laws before jumping to conclusion. Yes the politician thought about the possibility of the president messing with the name and has outlaw it. 2406:3003:2006:C2A4:EC3B:9DFC:BBF:BA07 (talk) 00:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republic of China or Republic of China (Taiwan)