Talk:Mother Teresa/Archive 8

message: *She perceived evangelisation as her central goal, with her care of the poor a secondary one, involving the bringing of "Christ to the poor." (who said that?)
: Don't know who added this, but it's one of those stock phrases applied to MT, like "poorest of the poor". I suspect it refers to the way many Catholic publications described her (see Google). If it bothers you, we can remove it.—Eloquence
:: Not sure we speak about the same thing. I'm wondering who said that "she perceived evangelization blabla".gbog
* Patients were left with nothing to do and nowhere to go. Families were strongly discouraged from visiting their relatives at the home. (in fact, all those two inflated paragraph on volunteer Mary Louden that didn't accept to adapt to Indian confort level seem to me very strange here, except if fairly balanced with another volunteer's writing)
: Moved to Missionaries of Charity. The claim that she didn't want to "adapt to Indian comfort level" is of course POV.—Eloquence
:: Yeah, it's my pov, or my at least guess, but I don't write it in the article.gbog
*Mother Teresa maintained secrecy of her order's financial situation and instructed her employees not to keep detailed records (who said that?) 
: Good question. It was in one of the witness accounts, but I don't find it at the moment. I have removed this for now. See  and  for the lack of disclosure of her accounts.—Eloquence
* There is an accusation that funds donated for relief work for the sick and poor were actually diverted to missionary work in non-Christian countries.  (who said that?)
: That was redundant with the following sentence. Removed.—Eloquence
*However, many members of the Hindu and Islamic faith were critical of this alleged baptism programme, seeing the idea as disrespectful of their faiths and beliefs. (who said that?)
: I didn't write that, apparently added to balance the previous para (which itself is a bit fluffy). I removed it for now until we find some actual publications by Hindus criticizing the practice (Chatterjee is an atheist.)—Eloquence
*Mother Teresa did not disclose her order's financial situation except where she was required to do so by law. (who said that?)
:: By the way, is there any obligation to do so if Law does not require it? Just in case I have to show my Goverment all my money even though they do not ask for it. Pfortuny 18:44, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Without attribution 

message: Moved parts from article that could need rework
=== Religious mess ===
In Christian belief, charity is a duty imposed on followers of Jesus Christ by scripture. Although many Protestant denominations believe salvation comes only through faith, with charitable works a duty of every Christian, Roman Catholicism places considerable emphasis on the performance of good works as a necessary (but not sole) condition of salvation.
In Catholicism, the combination of charitable works and evangelism has played a central role in the actions of some religious orders. To their defenders, the actions of Mother Teresa and her followers fulfilled that tradition. Her critics, however, viewed Mother Teresa as being preoccupied with the furtherance of Catholicism and its causes, rather than with alleviating poverty or offering medical help to the poor she treated. They also claim that Teresa gave a false impression of the nature of her work.
Defenders of the order argue that missionary activity was the central part of Teresa's calling. She perceived evangelisation as her central goal, with her care of the poor a secondary one, involving the bringing of "Christ to the poor."   Stern magazine alleged the (Protestant) Assembly of God charity serves 18,000 meals daily in Calcutta, many more than all the Mission of Charity homes together.
:I think that "religious mess" belongs in the mission of charity article, not teresa's bio.  Everyone agree? Greenmountainboy 16:50, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do. But there will be a hudge POV issue in Missionaries of Charity! :) gbog 17:01, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parts needing rework 

message: In Christian belief, charity is a duty imposed on followers of Jesus Christ by scripture. Although many Protestant denominations believe salvation comes only through faith, with charitable works a duty of every Christian, Roman Catholicism places considerable emphasis on the performance of good works as a necessary (but not sole) condition of salvation.
In Catholicism, the combination of charitable works and evangelism has played a central role in the actions of some religious orders. To their defenders, the actions of Mother Teresa and her followers fulfilled that tradition. Her critics, however, viewed Mother Teresa as being preoccupied with the furtherance of Catholicism and its causes, rather than with alleviating poverty or offering medical help to the poor she treated. They also claim that Teresa gave a false impression of the nature of her work.
Defenders of the order argue that missionary activity was the central part of Teresa's calling. She perceived evangelisation as her central goal, with her care of the poor a secondary one, involving the bringing of "Christ to the poor."   Stern magazine alleged the (Protestant) Assembly of God charity serves 18,000 meals daily in Calcutta, many more than all the Mission of Charity homes together.
:I think that "religious mess" belongs in the mission of charity article, not teresa's bio.  Everyone agree? Greenmountainboy 16:50, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do. But there will be a hudge POV issue in Missionaries of Charity! :) gbog 17:01, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious mess 

message: I would like to include positive secular views to counter the secular criticism.  Eloquence: you said that secular views were negative, and catholic views were positive, so I think it might be good to include positive views from secular figures. Greenmountainboy 17:03, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Secular views versus religious views

message: Although there have been some negative secular views on Mother Teresa, there have also been many positive secular views.  The former U.N. Secretar-General Javier Perez de Cuellar, for example, said  "She is the United Nations. She is She is peace in the world."  Nawaz Sharif, the Prime Minister of Pakistan said that Teresa was "A rare and unique individual who lived long for higher purposes. Her life-long devotion to the care of the poor, the sick and the disadvantaged was one of the highest examples of service to humanity." 
"An example of selfless devotion to charity. I hope she can be a good example to all charity workers and philanthropists." 
Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad
"A rare and unique individual who lived long for higher purposes. Her life-long devotion to the care of the poor, the sick and the disadvantaged was one of the highest examples of service to humanity." 
Nawaz Sharif, Prime Minister of Pakistan
The Chairman of the Nobel Peace Prize panel, Francis Sejersted, said Mother Teresa stood out "as an example of true self-sacrifice in humanitarian work." She was awarded the prize in 1979.
"This evening, there is less love, less compassion, less light in the world. She leaves us a strong message, which has no borders and which goes beyond faith: helping, listening, solidarity."
French President Jacques Chirac
"A loss to the entire humanity. She will be deeply missed in our efforts to build international peace, and a just, caring and equitable world order."
South African President Nelson Mandela
"The humanity of the world has lost its mother."
Congress Party President Sitaram Kesri 
Prime Minister Inder Kumar Gujral called her "an apostle of peace and love."
: Not bad. But, according to Village Pump (bottom), Eloquence said he will not discuss here for a moment. I am a little bit more in the mood to rearrange and filter few things where we still feel an underlying flamewar, but feel free to add what you want. I suggest a new section "Quotations on Mother Teresa", or something like that. gbog
:: Ok, but I will call it "secular views of Mother Teresa" Greenmountainboy 17:22, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Positive views of Mother teresa 

message: Although there have been some negative secular views on Mother Teresa, there have also been many positive secular views. The former U.N. Secretar-General Javier Perez de Cuellar, for example, said "She is the United Nations. She is She is peace in the world." Nawaz Sharif, the Prime Minister of Pakistan said that Teresa was "A rare and unique individual who lived long for higher purposes. Her life-long devotion to the care of the poor, the sick and the disadvantaged was one of the highest examples of service to humanity."  These views of Teresa are far from uncommon, and are held by most respected world leaders.
:this is a work in progress.  The italics are POV IMO and might need to be changed to NPOV by someone like Eloquence. Greenmountainboy 23:12, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: This is something quite different from the list of quotations we had. A paragraph like this might be included in an Encyclopedia, yes. Pfortuny 09:58, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: (A mistake in nowiki tags made this looking like I wroten it, but it was written by Pfortuny, I guess. I'm not sure that this paragraph could be included like this in an Encyclopedia, but I think it is better than the previous list) gbog 10:34, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: New Section