Talk:Freedom of religion in China

message: Why is there no mention of China's well-documented violent persecution of various religions? --Doodlebugboodles 20:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persecution 

message: This article currently reads like an anti-PRC screed, with balancing needed on the aspects of religious freedom that actually is permitted there, however limited it may be.Ngchen 19:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: third largest? your ignorance is thick, consistent with your beliefs, as it's clear you're referring to population and china has pretty much always been the most populous country, for many centuries in any case and is only in the near future about to be eclipsed by india which has only been a country for less than a century. 98.4.112.204 (talk) 07:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Believers are dominant in the West outside of narrow subcultures and gross bias such as is evident in this article is still the norm although I believe we are on the precipice of change wrt to that. As things stand now, there's zero acknowledgement that religion is a social evil which the PRC tolerates and probably shouldn't. As it moves to more effectively act in the interest of its people, 47% of whom are already convinced non-believers, the largest such population on the planet, it is only right that  it should try to increase that percentage or at least not encourage a backslide and by inaction or permissiveness on foreign influences allow regression to primitive conditions which China has spent thousands of years overcoming and from what is at this point the position of a plurality of it's population with some softness that can be expected to move to the right position more or less rapidly if the central government does the right thing. Lycurgus (talk) 20:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: This page merits further elaboration.  I've recently made a number of ambitious proposals on several other pages,  and I'm not sure when I'll have time to get to them,  but maybe someone else would like to dive in here.  I'll propose some suggestions on how the article could be expanded: 
* Include a section on the understanding of religion and religious freedom in the (relatively modern) Chinese context.  The Chinese conceive of religion quite differently than those in the West; the very term for it (zongjiao) is a rather recent neoterism, having been coined with the arrival of Christian missionaries.  This kind of background can provide a more solid theoretical basis to understand the question of religious freedom. Heck, while we're at it, we could also briefly explain notions of religious freedom and orthodoxy in imperial China.  
* Describe the legal structure surrounding the practice of religion, including stipulations for Communist Party members. Also, a look at the state and party organs involved in overseeing and/or suppressing religious expression
* Include a section that looks further back to the founding of the PRC, and examines religious freedom over time.  This should include a history of the five 'patriotic' religions, as well as an exploration of religious freedom under Mao
* Expand and improve the focus for sections dealing with specific (non-registered) religious groups and the challenges to religious freedom.  Add other groups, such as Muslims (particularly in Xinjiang), non-Tibetan Buddhists, Taoists, and the dozens of other groups classified as 'heretical' by the MPS. 
* Describe religious practice and regulations within the registered religious communities 
* Consider adding a section looking at legal challenges to the party-state's restrictions on religious freedom (ie. Weiquan movement), and maybe international reaction to these restrictions. Maybe a section on the outlook is in order, pending it isn't too speculative. 
This is all I can think of for now.  This seems more interesting than some of my other projects, so maybe I'll get to it soon.  If anyone else would like to work on the article, I strongly recommend referring to Congressional-Executive Commission on China annual reports, which are really stellar resources on this topic. Homunculus (duihua) 05:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposals  

message: This uncited statement
"Falun Gong has been the focus of international attention since July 20, 1999"
may have been true until about 2001 or 2002, but by 2003 the number of press articles had dropped markedly, as shown in the first 2 graphs at http://www.cesnur.org/2009/slc_lemish.htm The article states "As we can see, while there was relatively strong interest in the story when it first emerged, Western press gradually began ignoring it as time went by."
People's Daily has deleted the information in this link http://en.people.cn/special/fagong/1999072200A101.html
This link http://www.un.org/press/en/2004/hrcn1073.doc.htm (General Debate on Civil, Political Rights Concludes) added on 22 July 2007‎ doesn't relate to text and should be deleted.
Currently there is no indication of the number of deaths.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaabbb11 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Falun Gong section needs updating 

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Reference named "Leung":
From Persecution of Falun Gong: Leung, Beatrice (2002) 'China and Falun Gong: Party and society relations in the modern era', Journal of Contemporary China, 11:33, 761 – 784
From Human rights in China: 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Freedom of religion in China]] 

message: So far 3 books have been published including State Organs Transplant Abuse in China with about 6 medical experts contributing chapters including Arthur Caplan who has his own explanation which you can read here Arthur Caplan#Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China. Four times European Parliament Vice-President, 2004–2014 Edward McMillan-Scott campaigned against organ harvesting of Falun Gong in China.
===My proof===
If you search on China Embassy the US embassy is prominent. Yet on topics http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/ Falun Gong is missing. But searching on list of china transplant hospitals I get this list 
http://en.nhfpc.gov.cn/2014-06/25/content_17614528.htm of hospitals that are approved for organ transplant projects. So there are 169 listed but its possible there are many other hospitals that are not approved. Where do all those organs come from when organ donation isn't part of the local culture? 
So I don't think its appropriate to use the term allegations when referring to Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China. Aaabbb11 (talk) 09:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forced Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong in China is Happening 

message: If you search on China Embassy the US embassy is prominent. Yet on topics http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/ Falun Gong is missing. But searching on list of china transplant hospitals I get this list 
http://en.nhfpc.gov.cn/2014-06/25/content_17614528.htm of hospitals that are approved for organ transplant projects. So there are 169 listed but its possible there are many other hospitals that are not approved. Where do all those organs come from when organ donation isn't part of the local culture? 
So I don't think its appropriate to use the term allegations when referring to Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China. Aaabbb11 (talk) 09:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: My proof

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message: I'm considering expanding the “Tibetan Buddhism” section to include more historical account and add contents on “Zen Buddhism” to more fully represent the major forms of Buddhism in modern China and show nuances on how Chinese government treat these two schools differently.Yilin7456 (talk) 01:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding the "Buddhism" section 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I don’t know how this all works but I have a suggestion. 
I was trying to see what the evidence was for some pretty unbelievable sentences in the article but citation 2 only goes to a stand-alone title page for the US Congressional-Executive Commission on China 2011 Annual Report, with no other info. I couldn’t find any way to actually view the report so this citation isn’t good. Maybe I just couldn’t find it but I think it should not be linked to the article and the citation should be removed unless the link can be fixed to view the actual evidence in the actual report. Phoenixgirl199 (talk) 07:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be a reliable source and the archive link allows to access it in PDF format, —PaleoNeonate – 09:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 2 not a good citation 

message: There is no reason this article should include both China and Taiwan. It's like having an article about Freedom of religion in Korea, combining North Korea and South Korea. It doesn't make sense at all. Taiwan's freedom of religion is comparable with that of the United States, whereas China's is not. This article keeps on having to switch between the opposites of Taiwan and China. I suggest this article be separated into two articles, one about Taiwan and one about China, or at least into two sections. Zacharycmango (talk) 22:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment @Lycurgus, you should take a look at WP:NPOV/FAQ#Anglo-American focus. —Caorongjin 💬 00:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The freedom of religion in Taiwan is not relevant to the freedom of religion in China 

message: What is the relevance of the section Tibetan-Muslim sectarian violence? While it may be interesting enough to be content elsewhere, how is it related to the subject of the page?
If I know any suitable place to migrate, I would remove the paragraph immediately. 冷雾 (talk) 08:34, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The section Tibetan-Muslim sectarian violence is irrelevant