Talk:Glossary of nautical terms (A–L)

message: Can we please define and enter into the glossary of terms? Is it like there's a prescribed speed for the area/portion of the plan, and when someone says "we're up to speed" or "at speed" it means we're going the prescribed or planned speed? Or does it mean we're going very fast/at a quick clip? 2600:8801:C909:5700:E1F6:6632:F627:204B (talk) 10:08, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you think these are nautical terms? · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  At speed, up to speed meaning 

message: Would like to see a definition for ‘single up’ (referring to mooring lines). Thank you. Wordplay7 (talk) 13:00, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow!  And the definition appears like magic!  Thanks, User:ThoughtIdRetired for a very quick reply! Wordplay7 (talk) 17:13, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single up 

message: This article page has exceeded the template limits.  See Help:Template and Help:Template limits for more information.  
The result is currently that all the references, source citations and further reading at the bottom of the page just link to various template definitions and not to their intended destinations.  
The NewPP report (see Help:Template limits) is showing 
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I'll leave it to regular contributors to the page to decide how they want to deal with this.  Philh-591 (talk) 14:48, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Suggest we split the glossary in half: A–L and M–Z. This should get a roughly equal division of content between the two articles. Does anyone have any knowledge on how to do this easily and effectively? ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 17:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken a look at WP:CORRECTSPLIT. I guess the best method would be to move each section M–Z into the article Glossary of nautical terms (S) which will have to be moved to Glossary of nautical terms (M–Z). That way at least some of the references will be in the article already. The real work will be sort out all the short form refs (which are in a muddle already, with some being sfn's and others using the r template) that have been separated from the full statement of the ref. I don't see any easy solution to that, beyond a lot of hard work. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 18:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

text: The page could have been made to fit within this limit by replacing instances of  with plainly formatted links: that can shave off about a quarter of the post‐expand include size. Still, the page would have remained huge (with all the consequent problems for the reader experience), so it was a good thing it got split. – Uanfala (talk) 20:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article page has exceeded template limits 

message: I'm 99% percent sure that this is a made up word from Star Trek. Does it really belong on the list? LordApofisu (talk) 16:09, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's unreferenced, and I can't find a reasonable reference. Anything from Star Trek has a presence on the internet, but there is nothing to suggest that this is in genuine nautical usage. Therefore I have deleted this entry. Someone can reinstate it if there is a reference that is not based on Star Trek. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 19:33, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dunsel 

message: It is possible to code a table of contents that links between sub-glossaries, and to code a substitute for  that automatically chechs the initial letter and opens the correct sub-glossary. These templates are probably a bit heavier on rendering time so might require slightly smaller  page sizes, but splitting into smaller sub-glossaries becomes a relatively trivial exercise afterwards. The templates required would be Template:Glossary of nautical terms ToC and Template:Nautical term (or similar). This system has been applied to Glossary of underwater diving terminology, which currently has 5 sub-glossaries, A–C, D–G, H–O, P–R and S–T,  a Template:Glossary of underwater diving terminology ToC, and a linking Template:Diving term which can be used from anywhere in Wikipedia, and automatically links to the correct term in the correct sub-glossary. If there is agreement to do this here I can prepare the templates and get the work started. I also have a copy of Jane's dictionary of Naval Terms, so could help with a bit of referencing. Feel free to test Glossary of underwater diving terminology and its system. I have not been able to break it yet, but there may be a weak point I have missed. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am more of an "article content" person, than an editor who is into the technicalities of how things work in Wikipedia. I will nevertheless have a look at the technology and will post here if I spot any issues. Can't see any problems in the first instance. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 16:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Main point is that the content people should be Ok with the change. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Converted both subglossaries to the new custom ToC. It seems to be working as intended. Ping me if there is any problem. If all goes well I will move on to the next stage of coding the Template:Nautical term and test it. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:10, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Coded Template:Nautical term and have a test example up and running. It seems to work correctly. Let me know if anyone finds a bug. I will add a few more examples for a more exhaustive test. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 13:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Have now converted all of "A", and all seems good. Cheers · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 10:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Completed (as far as I can tell) all cross sub-glossary links using template:nautical term. I will have a look at some of the external glossary links, but not committing to doing them all myself. The existing links will continue to work until the next split anyway, so not urgent. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:31, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone cares, moving the sub-glossaries to names using ndashes should now be relatively trivial. MOS:GLOSS recommends Glossary of nautical terms: A–L etc. Let me know. Redirects would be left to avoid link malfunctions from other articles. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:44, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Table of Contents

message: , I have coded the  glossary ToC and put one on the top of the page. Take a look and see if you think it is suitable. It has worked for my tests. Putting it into service is just a matter of replacing the existing ToCs with the template on both sub-glossaries. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am more of an "article content" person, than an editor who is into the technicalities of how things work in Wikipedia. I will nevertheless have a look at the technology and will post here if I spot any issues. Can't see any problems in the first instance. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 16:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Main point is that the content people should be Ok with the change. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Converted both subglossaries to the new custom ToC. It seems to be working as intended. Ping me if there is any problem. If all goes well I will move on to the next stage of coding the Template:Nautical term and test it. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:10, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Coded Template:Nautical term and have a test example up and running. It seems to work correctly. Let me know if anyone finds a bug. I will add a few more examples for a more exhaustive test. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 13:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Have now converted all of "A", and all seems good. Cheers · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 10:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Completed (as far as I can tell) all cross sub-glossary links using template:nautical term. I will have a look at some of the external glossary links, but not committing to doing them all myself. The existing links will continue to work until the next split anyway, so not urgent. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:31, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone cares, moving the sub-glossaries to names using ndashes should now be relatively trivial. MOS:GLOSS recommends Glossary of nautical terms: A–L etc. Let me know. Redirects would be left to avoid link malfunctions from other articles. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:44, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Discuss

message: What is the definition of this? Various sources mention it as a way of measuring actual metacentric height but it is never defined. Can anyone define it on this page? Thanks! Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 00:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclining experiment 

message: There are many terms in this glossary that are completely unreferenced. That really needs fixing. I note that where a term is clearly linked to an article on the subject, referencing is not needed (unless the glossary definition is different from that in the article). But there is a lot of content here that needs the addition of a reference. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 07:45, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of which, even if it is sourced, derivation of "admiral" from any Arab phrase longer than emir is just a common folk etymology. The -al on the end comes from Latin suffix -alis and not anything prefixed with Arabic al-. See the corrected entry at Admiral and the OED entry on the word. — LlywelynII 18:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  References