Talk:List of Sri Lankan monarchs

message: Removed the insertion of details of the current claiment to the throne of Jaffna - this list should only include enthroned and consecrated monarchs. Perhaps the person who inserted it should consider creating a page and placing a connection in Sri Lanka Politics.DocSubster 19:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Note

message: where is the list of Kings belonging to Jaffna Kingdom. Please explain what motive behind to not to include or deleted the list of Kings belonging to Jaffna Kingdom. --Jai Kumara Yesappa (talk) 23:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jaffna Kingdom

message: Sri Lanka is not part of Commonwealth realm and thus queen Elizabeth II does not hold any value in Sri Lanka.Tarikur (talk) 20:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Key word: is not. We were until the 1972 republican constitution, hence the term of the Queen "ending" in 1972. --snowolfD4 (  talk /  @  ) 21:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Yes, indeed, Snowolfd4 is quite right. To elaborate: Queen Elizabeth II was Ceylon's (now called Sri Lanka) head of state from 1952 (when she succeeded her father King George VI as Monarch of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc, and Ceylon) until 1972 when the country adopted a republican constitution. Therefore, while King Sri Vikrama Rajasinha was the last monarch of Sri Lanka as an independent country before colonial takeover of Kandy by the British, following the granting of independence to Sri Lanka from Britain, and fully overall, Queen Elizabeth II was Sri Lanka's last monarch. Also, just for the future: A country is not part of "Commonwealth realm, but it is a Commonwealth realm. As for the "queen Elizabeth II does not hold any value in Sri Lanka" (odd phrase to say), remember that Sri Lanka is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, of which Queen Elizabeth II is Head of, and The Queen was also one of the nation's post independence heads of state, which makes her quite important in Sri Lankan history. --~Knowzilla  (Talk) 12:03, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why queen Elizabeth II listed here? 

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message: It may have simply been a pretense, but the article should note somewhere that the Portuguese and Spanish monarchs claimed the throne of "Ceylon" (Ceilão). Philip II apparently bore the title only briefly from 1597 to 1598. — LlywelynII 21:15, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese & Spanish title

message: Does anyone think it fit to include maybe the more mythical rulers of the island referenced in the Mahabharata, or even Vijaya's predecessor, Kuveni, in this?
- Walkalia (talk) 02:41, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is a list of Sinhalese Monarchs who reigned in the kingdoms of Sri Lanka as referenced in the Mahavamsa and related Chronicles. However you are free to create your own article with the monarchs you suggested, provided it meets wikipedia policy.--Blackknight12 (talk) 03:18, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Monarchs of mythical and quasi-mythical status

message: I see insufficiency in this list as it limited as follows:
#list of Sri Lankan monarchs since 543 BC
#Ruhuna, Maya Rata, Dhakkinadesa and the Jaffna kingdom are not on this list
The list should contain whole list/details. If anyone does not like, please rename the list as per content. --Anton·٠•●♥Talk♥●•٠· 10:34, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the generally accepted list of Sri Lankan Monarchs. Kingdoms such as Ruhuna, Maya Rata and Dhakkinadesa were subkingdoms/principalities and not like that of Anuradhapura, Polonnaruwa etc. As for the Jaffna kingdom, it is of a foreign origin, for which there already exists an article List of Jaffna monarchs.--Blackknight12 (talk) 11:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand the term "generally accepted". It would be good to include all monarchs until Monarchy of Ceylon as per the term of "Monarchy". What is the reason of limiting the list? Otherwise, it is good to rename to suitable title. You may rename like "List of Sri Lankan monarchs (Mahavamsa)". Kingdom of Ruhuna was a kingdom and Jaffna kingdom and Monarchy of Ceylon were part of Sri Lanka, not a separated island. People were ruled by them. If you are good with local languages, refer සිංහලේ රාජාවලිය & ஆட்சியாளர் பட்டியல், இலங்கை. BTW, Please do not remove POV in this article until the dispute is resolved.--Anton·٠•●♥Talk♥●•٠· 12:19, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: By generally accepted I mean it is what historians use such as Codrington, who is well respected source many Sri Lankan editors use here on wiki. It would not be correct to say the Monarchy of Ceylon is the same as the the monarchy in this list. They are two different monarchies ruling two different entities. George III of the United Kingdom and his successors were monarchs of British Ceylon, a completely different entity to the Kingdom of Kandy and its monarchs which ended in 1815. Therefore this article ends at 1815 and the other one begins in 1815. The same applies to the Jaffna Kingdom. As for Ruhuna, it was a region, principality not a full kingdom. That article is wrong. Those articles you have linked are articles within wiki, which are not reliable sources for wikipedia, they are heads of state articles rather that monarchy articles. Thanks :)--Blackknight12 (talk) 13:15, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I wanted to add capitals to the monarchs or tried to create a list with monarchs/rulers & capital of Sri Lanka. But, above mentioned two insufficiency issues gave me negative impact. I do not happy with "limited" era (543 BC - 1815) and "missing" monarchs/rulers. Even though, it has holistic title "List of Sri Lankan monarchs". I would happy to rename this title with possible name or do you think we can create an article with the title "List of Sri Lankan rulers". I hope you could understand my interest. --Anton·٠•●♥Talk♥●•٠· 14:25, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I am happy you are enthusiastic about creating new articles, and please fell free to ask for help or assistance at anytime. If we were to create the article "List of Sri Lankan rulers" then that would include, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Governor Generals, Governors etc... the list would be too long and against wiki standards of separating each office. I have spent the past few years editing these monarchy articles related to Sri Lanka and I think it is best if we try not to complicate things. If you want to create an article on the Capitals of Sri Lanka I think you should go ahead. Here is an example Capital of Japan. I myself created a similar article in the past.--Blackknight12 (talk) 15:18, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insufficiency  

message: The introduction part and "Notes" turns to article into original research. Newly created list ([Lists of Sri Lankan monarchs]]) tried to justify it., and particularly "Sinhalese and foreign rulers who have ruled chronologically and in succession under the Sinhalese Monarchy". Otherwise, create "List of Tamil monarchs in Sri Lanka" as well as for Portuguese and Dutch.  --AntanO 04:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: I am vary of how prince vijay, who was mooted out the country of his origin, elevated to the ranks of a king in Sri Lanka. when expelled from his own kinsmen, in India, he was sent away and he landed in Ceylon. although events reflect that his consorts and of those of whom were expelled were shipped out as well, there is no mention of whether they met up or what transpired thereafter... 
Vijay, after having 02 children (Son and Daughter) with kuveni, called it quits with her since he had arranged for a queen of Aryan heritage so that he could be crowned king. he died before having a heir to the throne (which is not entirely true since he had a son with Kuveni). Vijays reasoning does not or did not prevent his son from ascending to the throne which is how it should have been - 
Vijayas brother, himself was much too old, and instead had his third son ( Panduvasdeva ) to rule. basically Vijayas nephew, one that he never knew or saw ended up ruling Ceylon whilst his own son was denied his rightful Place.
In conclusion... Vijaya could never have become a king of Ceylon because there was no known or recorded coronation or any ceremony that would give him that power to do so. One wife was thrown out and the other never made it in time and even if she did, Vijaya would never have been possible to father a heir - especially if there were a string of daughters  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quick question (talk • contribs) 09:12, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  questionable information 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Here are points to solution. 
# Move the page to List of monarchs of Sri Lanka and add all rulers and include all before Vijaya and Portuguese arrival. 
# Keep the title as it and removed non-Sinhalese monarchy, those are highlighted in blue. Therefore I/we can create/expand List of monarchs of Sri Lanka.
# If not, I/we can create/expand List of monarchs of Sri Lanka and the list will rely with POV and other issues. 
Any idea or beating around the bush or Circular reasoning? --AntanO 12:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree if we remove non-Sinhalese monarchy from the list. If so, I could start List of monarchs of Sri Lanka.--AntanO 15:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

text: I literally wish to rename this title comprising Sri Lankan. If it is otherwise, please remove ethnically non - Sinhalese kings from this list. --5anan27 (talk) 16:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  To solution 

message: I am adding few refs explaining why several political entities such as rulers of Jaffna Kingdom are not considered as a part of the Sri Lankan/Sinhalese monarch.L Manju (talk) 06:19, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that founded by you or scholars--L Manju (talk) 05:39, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

text: You can read the title and know. --AntanO 16:19, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why some are not included in this list? 

message: I know there was big debates on the title. But the current title is really not fitting. A list of Sri Lankan monarchs should included the Jaffna Kingdom. Also the text in the main body and info box refers to 'Sinhala kingdoms', so there is a mismatch between the text and title. The other alternative is to rename this to 'Monarchs of the Sinhala kingdoms'. This is also anachronistic to some degree, as we do not know if all the kingdoms in the early historic period referred to themselves as such. It is also not universally accepted that there was only one Sinhala kingdom in the centuries BCE. The earliest inscriptions show evidence of several regional rulers taking the title raja. However, what united them was state support to Buddhism and other symbols of traditional 'Sinhala' kingship. Again this is a later construct that historians have created to organise the past royalties on the island. We also do not know for sure when the word Sinhala was first used to describe a kingdom (Ashoka refers to Tambapanni). One could argue that Elara or Sena and Guttaka, although Tamils, ruled the same basic administrative structures as their Sinhala counterparts (and even supported Buddhism), and therefore could be included under monarchs of a Sinhala kingdom. I personally think that 'List of Sri Lankan monarchs' which includes all the monarchs is the best and most objective choice, fitting for an encyclopaedia, as it avoids these controversies. But this article would then need to be rewritten to reflect this, with a lead mentioning the main 'Sinhala' kingdoms and the Jaffna kingdom, and perhaps even the European empires rule. This would give us a more comprehensive article with all the documented rulers throughout history.Metta79 (talk) 21:29, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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