Talk:War of Independence of Brazil

message: There wasnt any Brazilian war of independence. greatly biased info. Brazil became independent because the king feared that the Spanish American wars could infect the Portuguese colony, so his son declared the independence of Brazil, but who ordered it was the king of Portugal himself. -Pedro 01:01, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though there wasn't a war before independence declaration, it's historically clear that some provinces, like Maranhão, Piauí and Pará, resisted against D. Pedro I, the Emperor of Brazil and former Regent under D. João VI term in Portugal. It take several months 'till the whole country was pacified and united under the new governmnet. The version of the Portugal's king supposed order to his son declares independence is not supported by an expressive number of historicist. I suggest clarification on the issue.  Andrelot 23:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling it a war is misleading. There were unrests and insurgencies. An independence war suggests there was a conflict between Brazil and Portugal, which is not the case. I personally suggest this article be called simply Brazilian Independence. The talk page of the article from the Brazilian Empire suggests that should be divided in smaller articles, this one might be used as a start. Also, historians widely accept and believe the brazilian independence was plotted by Portugal, citing evidences such as Portugal's foreign debt owed to England transferred to Brazil, among others, so your claim is completely false. I support Pedro's comments.  Starghost 19:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support the move to the title Brazilian Independence, as there wasn't really a war over this, but only when someone can provide more context for the independence as a whole — not just the resistance there was. The move, as the article is now, would be misleading and confusing. Fetofs Hello! 22:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with changing the title to Brazilian Independence. And on a side note, I don't think there's any evidence that João told Pedro to take the crown for himself if looked as though Brazil would revolt, although this is the story that is traditionally told. Monikwee 21:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Although I can't provide any links to it, I've seen historians at the University of Sao Paulo say there is evidence in a letter from John to Pedro which would say "Lança mão da coroa antes que outro o faça", "take the crown before somebody else does". Also, it is said the Freemasonry publicized a letter of independence.
The siege of Salvador isn't "POV" just because the Portuguese are unconfortable with the idea.
http://ibahia.globo.com/especiais/2dejulho/o2dejulho.asp Macgreco 15:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

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:I have assumed that the move's proponent supports it, leaving the move uncontested. --Stemonitis 22:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I have moved the contents of this page into the Brazilian Declaration of Independence page, since there was no such thing as a "Brazilian War of Independence". We can continue the debate on that talk page if anybody wishes to do so.
Sparks1979 00:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page moved