Talk:Stained glass

message: Arpingstone, you actually like the all-images-on-right look? I think the old layout looked much better.  – Quadell (talk) (help) 22:19, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)
:The reason for the change was that on my 1024 by 768 screen one pic was stuck horizontally against another (hard to describe it!) so most were on the right but one was out of place. It seems that what looks good on your screen looks terrible on mine. So to make the article look good for everyone a simple right-column is sometimes the only choice because the ideal situation of a left-right alternation doesn't work. If you don't like what I've done, just revert, I don't mind - Adrian Pingstone 22:34, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: There is no mention of the common habit of farting detail (e.g. faces) onto stained glass. Is that because it is a different craft, or just an omission?
Notinasnaid 11:22, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painted stained glass 

message: Does anyone know what the largest collection of stained glass is?  Number of windows in a building, for example. CoolGuy 08:38, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest collection 

message: Painted glass is mentioned here in the "See also" section, but it's redirected to the article itself. There are two more articles linking to painted glass: Oliver Cromwell and Lillafüred. Is there really such a thing as a painted glass different from stained glass? If so, it should be clarified at least in a stub how they relate to each other (instead of the redirect). If not, and it's a misnomer, links to painted glass should be replaced by stained glass, I suppose. -- Adam78 00:03, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Painted glass: a separate thing or a misnomer?

message: On April 15, 2006, user 63.232.117.214 added under "See also":
  * Sculpture
  ** Jim Gary 
However, the article on Jim Gary mentions nothing about glass. Does he indeed work with stained glass?
RickP 06:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the answer. A few words in the Jim Gary article about this would be appreciated. Any chance of uploaded copyright-free images of his stained glass work to commons? RickP 20:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a pity: the article was large, and while it was certainly a bit uncritical, the editorial response was to simply delete all but a stub. This doesn't really encourage new editors. Or old ones. Notinasnaid 20:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: contacted Jim Gary's studio director, who has photographs, but I do not know how to upload a photograph to Wikipedia, nor whether it then becomes the property of Wikipedia -- she is reluctant to provide them or write anything in the article given the treatment of the new editors who have tried to make it a good entry... (can't blame her, she can post to  her own site without such interference). Want to tackle it yourself with the material provided in this article and talk? Perhaps the obsessed administrator, a bully monitoring the site at the expense of the new contributors would act differently to established editors. -- who knows? -- I might be able to get the studio director send you materials you need if it works out, or you could contact her directly. LMK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.233.126.210 (talk) 22:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Was the other editor an administrator? Photos must be either public domain or released under a license that allows any use, including commercial, with a credit. Notinasnaid 09:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The id for the administrator who kept reverting only to his edits, is listed as harro 5 (all one word). His rigidity is confusing because, looking at the Wikipedia regulations, allowing a great deal of editorial freedom is expressed along with a Wikipedia statement that nothing is established to prevent different styles. Curiously, he made no attempt to make any edits except deletions -- so he did _ nothing _ to contribute to the article, seeming only interested in preventing others from the freedoms they ought to have had -- don't understand the motivation. I will see whether a credit would be okay for a good photograph of one of his stained glass figures -- would that just be a (c) notation or some indication such as, courtsey of... ? I have seen notes accompanying some photographs here that indicate the use is only for the article, not any other use... what are the rules for those? That might be better to offer. LMK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.158.184.35 (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Interestingly, the bulk deletion of most of the article was not done by the admininstrator you name, but someone anonymous. So, following Wikipedia's recommendations, I have been bold and put it back, so it can be improved into the great article it can be.  So, editors, please come back and have a go at it. See Talk:Jim Gary Notinasnaid 14:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: bold and brilliant -- let's see if your action promotes co-operation on the article! It may take a while, but am glad to see your effort. Regarding the stained glass figure, how do I ask for the photograph credit format?  LMK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.232.1.65 (talk) 00:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jim Gary? 

message: In the section discussing the reformation the article states that "Few [windows] remain undamaged." This needs some context. Does this mean only in Britain? In all Protestant areas? Throughout Europe? - SimonP 01:42, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reformation

message: In making a small addition and putting in a link to a commercial site, you also lost a large part of the article, in fact everything below your own addition. You need to check carefully by using the 'show preview' option before saving.
I have removed your link to the nice little window in a dear little weatherboard church that took us straight to the commercial site. 
Firstly, the heading that you put it under pertained to the greatest examples of stained glass in the world, eg Chartres Cathedral. Your example is hardly one that a person would travel ten thousand miles to see. 
Secondly, Wikipedia isn't the place for advertising.
--Amandajm 21:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The preservation link has as its title, and I quote, "The Preservation and Repair of Historic Stained and Leaded Glass." Are you sure you were following the link correctly? It links directly to the Technical Preservation Services of the U.S. Department of Interior, and has a very comprehensive writeup concerning stained glass, difficulties with preservation, etc. I was willing to believe you at first... but this strains credulity. I would urge you to please click on links before you remove them, especially since you seem to be having difficulty with Wikipedia's external links policy. Captainktainer * Talk 15:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I urge you again to read the link provided. From the page: "This Brief gives a short history of stained and leaded glass in America. It also surveys basic preservation and documentation issues facing owners of buildings with leaded glass. It addresses common causes of deterioration and presents repair, restoration, and protection options. Captainktainer * Talk 16:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Desg 

message: However, it is also the only "source" remaining for the article. Your quote seems a bit short of fact. Have you even read my tutorial pages? stained glass art tips If so you will see alot of additional professional advice on the subject. Please consider inclusion or not deleting the valuable resource when it is reinstated,
Thank you Desg 03:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional stained glass resources 

message: T'm not in favour of deleting this link, so I've reinstated it. 
I think we ought to be patient and see what Vidimus come up with, as it's the first monthly publication, and the article on the featured panel is very detailed and the photo very clear, illustrating some of the subject matter of our present article, likethe use of yellow stain etc. 
It seems a pity to be so hardline with an accademic, non-commercial publication!
--Amandajm 12:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vidimus Magazine 

message: Just to explain my self- 
I've just removed several lines that were recently inserted in the intro. The bit about metal salts repeated what had already been written, about two lines above it. The description of the fact that the gLass gets cut into pieces is all there under the heading Technical. The person (no user name) obviously hadn't read the whole long detailed description before editting the brief summary. In other words, it was superfluous. 
--Amandajm 09:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of additions to intro 

message: All those new pictures are beautiful and will be useful somewhere.... But
* We've tried to keep this article fairly tightly constructed, but it's well over the usual length because it's a very big subject.
* Every pic that is in place has been selected for a purpose. 
* Having 5 pictures in a small gallery looks bad. That's why there's only four in each.   
* I've put the new pics into the gallery at the bottom, and will remove them into appropriate articles at a later date. 
* please see what's already in place! In a gallery of 4 pics there was already a pic from the Morris studio. Didn't need two! There was already an excellent alabaster window. Didn't need two of those either. 
--Amandajm 13:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re Removal of new pictures 

message: Not a mistake. Green glass has been around for a very long time.....bottles, OK? But to create an appearance of green grass, blue glass was often stained with yellow, because the effect was more natural.
--Amandajm 08:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stained Grass 

message: One of my friends has asked me to add a link of her website the Staint Glass Wiki site under 'external links' but I saw it should be verified first. Her website shows some fine examples of stained glass windows in churches particularly in Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire by Charles E Kempe, Clayton and Bell, William Morris, Edward Burne-Jones and Henry Holiday the latter three being Pre-Raphaelite stained glass window designers. They can be viewed at Magnificent Windows which is a photographic website showing the beauty and art form of stained glass. Please can you let me know if I can add the link to the Stained Glass Wiki site. Thanks! --Posiebers 23:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankks for the request. I took a look at the site and it has some very nice photos of mainly 19th century windows. Would you please add the link to a different articl?Stained glass - British glass, 1811-1918 
Also, in order to give accurate information, in association with an encyclopedic article, could you ask your friend to correct the introduuction that says that stained glass is probably one of the oldest crafts. Ask you friend to think about the stone tools made by prehistoric people, followed by making string, potting clay, weaving baskets, carving wood, making bone needles and fishhooks, spinning wool etc etc. These are all crafts (and we haven't even got to metalwork yet)! The oldest stained glass window in existence is only 1100 years old. That makes stained glass quite a new craft, in the history of humanity. 
--Amandajm 00:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Good idea! The V&A has a great collection. --Amandajm 11:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We would like to add a link in the 'external links' section 

message: "Twentieth century
....
Today there are a few academic establishments that teach the traditional skills. One of those establishments is Florida State University's Master Craftsman Program who recently completed the world's largest secular stained-glass windows installed in Bobby Bowden Field at Doak Campbell Stadium. More info at Master Craftsman Program"
 
1. The large window referred to doesn't appear to be a design worthy of mention in a short article (I can't find much of anything on the Web about it - the one image I found looked like a pretty amateurish design). Big isn't = to good. And I am quite skeptical that it is in fact the largest in the world - where is the source for that. How big is it in sq meters? There are some monster windows in Europe.
2. The statement that there are "few academic establishements" is misleading and provincial. If the statement is only referring to the US, maybe it is partly correct (but what about the Boston Museum School, and I am sure there are a number of others). But the US has never been the center of stained glass craft (or art). Europe has many schools that are far more significant and well-known than FSU, for example Swansea (one of four or five in England), and an even larger number exist in Germany and France. 
Jon Romig  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.81.50 (talk) 18:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about the window,, but I agree entirely about the stained glass schools. Would you like to rewrite this section in a more appropriate way? Amandajm (talk) 02:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stained glass schools 

message: * A sentence was inserted between two sentences that were link. One sentence stated that new combinations of materials were use, the next one was about the development of slab glass. A sentence about etched glass was put between them, instead of at the end of the paragraph. Etched glass is not a "new development". 
*Etched glass isn't stained glass, even though it may be used by stained glass artists. 
* Leptat (registered trade name) is the brand name for a type of etched glass. It belongs on a page about etched glass. One has to be careful in writing about any registered product because Wiki is not the place for advertising. 
* Placement of pics. A good look at the page will tell the editor about the layout. Each section has been given four pics. No more, no less, because four fits into a single row across the page. That's the layout. All the other pics are added into a gallery at the bottom of the page. The examples at the bottom are not random. They have been chosen from hundreds that are available as being particularly good examples. Other good examples need to be ones that don't double-up. eg We don't need 4 William Morris windows or 6 Tiffany windows or 3 windows from Chartres. 
* If (and the source isn't cited) the recent slab glass window is the earliest in the US, then it is historically more signiificant thhan the Buckfast window, so I have put it in the gallery of four and moved Buckfast down. 
Please cite the source for it being the earliest. 
Amandajm (talk) 04:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern glass

message: "The term stained glass can refer to the material of coloured glass or the craft of working with it. Throughout its thousand-year history, the term "stained glass" was applied almost exclusively to the windows of churches, cathedrals, and other significant buildings. Although traditionally made in flat panels and used as windows, the creations of modern stained glass artists also include three-dimensional structures and sculpture.
Modern vernacular usage has often extended the term "stained glass" to include domestic leadlight and objets d'art created from lead came and copper foil glasswork such as exemplified in the famous lamps of Louis Comfort Tiffany." 
* The words "The term" were deleted. They have been returned for reasons of grammar. One must either say "the term stained glass refers to (these two things)" or one must put the beginning words of the sentence into inverted commas : "Stained Glass" refers to..... 
The former is preferable to the latter since the words "stained glass" are not a quotation. 
*Stained glass sculpture is a new form. This is a difference in application. 
*Domestic leadlights and objets d'art are not new forms. They have been around for 150 years or more, but only recently have they been termed "stained glass". They are generally called "leadlight" or "copperfoil work". Up until the 1930s every town had a domestic leadlighter, who would never have referred to himself as a "stained glass artists". On the other hand, a modern sculptor working in stained glass, might very well be termed a "stained glass artist". That is the reason that I have returned that statement to the first paragraph, and made the paragraph about changing vernacular terminology a separate one. 
Amandajm (talk) 13:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me. Thanks, Tom Harrison Talk 14:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reversals- explanation

message: But less so on that of the rest of the world 41.241.117.70 (talk) 19:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree entirely. The information presented here about British glass is not necessary. There is a separate article. There should also be separate articles about French, German, Italian, US, and Australian stained glass. I believe a lot of stained glass was produce in Eastern Europe but I know absolutely nothing about it. Can anybody help? Amandajm (talk) 02:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem fixed, I think that this is now a better balanced article. Certainly in terms of sections and pics, though a little wanting in text in some areas. Amandajm (talk) 00:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a very good article on British stained glass 

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message: The Stained Glass Association of America's stated purpose is to defend and protect the American form of stained glass art, as opposed to European. The former is said to be a different art form than the latter, using the materials themselves to elicit the art and allowing the patron to have his own thoughts about what he is observing while European stained glass uses the materials to paint a picture. When a studio attempts to join the society they are not allowed in if they are guilty of perpetrating the European style; a favored expression is "If you want a picture get a camera" and members are encouraged to tell church congregations asking for realistic painting on glass that this was a form used to tell the Christian story to illiterate congregants of old Europe and that the modern congregants of the church asking for such glass are more sophisticated than those Medieval European counterparts and can grasp abstract art and resent being treated as though dumb. In the eyes of this association stained glass studios and artists that deliver the European style of stained glass art to American architectural installations are persona non gratis in America and especially in the SGAA. Realistic pictorial windows make the association shudder as they are opposite the art form the group was established to protect , defend, and perpetrate as their ideal stained glass art. You say none of this here and it is their most important feature, not that they teach the art and restoration and preservation of it . They feature only the American style. It is believed by some artists who have a kiln and fire a piece of painted glass such as a face up to 35 times that this society is made up of studios and individual artists who don't know how or can't paint on glass as well as the Europeans of a century and more ago.While they say "No one does it any more",some others not belonging to the society say no one can do it any more, except some German and English artists who are highly trained through years of experience. Churches insuring such art in their windows are sometimes told by the insurance companies that if realistic painted windows are damaged an artist will have to be engaged from Europe and that it will be very expensive. This can be gleaned from looking through the organization's magazines from the 19-teens on, and their mission is clearly stated in the application for membership included in each magazine. The Conrad Schmidt studio has some very nice windows but none are done in the Munich or realistic style, the Medieval style, the Byzantine style and other European and pre-American styles of stained glass art.````  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.204.135 (talk) 12:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The above comments are too much to place into the present article. I can assure you that there are many European stained glass artists working in a wide variety of styles and using techniques both ancient and modern.  Within Europe there is a real need for glass conservators to maintain ancient techniques, and likewise for glass manufacturers to continue manufacturing glass by traditional methods as this is by far the best in restoration work.  Amandajm (talk) 16:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The Stained Glass Association of America

message: Would love to see a knowledgeable addition referring to the Belcher Mosaic Glass Company's work in the late nineteenth century. Belcher was an American company with a fairly unique style, short-lived because of worker safety concerns (and some other factors), but beautiful and for a time an example of an American esthetic. This company has been gone for well over a century, so there should be no advertising concerns. If this were deemed something that should have its own article, that would be fine, though I would think that it would be better as a brief segment in the larger stained glass article. I don't think I'm quite knowledgeable enough to write it... Xenophonix (talk) 02:53, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belcher 

message: I came to this page hoping to read more about Iranian Orsi (aka Orosi) windows/stained glass... I was disappointed to notice this article is missing important details about Middle Eastern, Islamic and Asian stained glass history. It would be greatly appreciated if this article was less Western-centric. Jooojay (talk) 21:17, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle Eastern, Islamic & Asian Stained Glass

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message: Came to this page and noticed absence of any photos showing result of sunlight shining through stained glass window show added this photo.  Please feel free to replace with more suitable photo Johnscotaus (talk) 07:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  photo added 

message: I have been off duty for a while. Came back and discovered that the gallery of Medieval glass had bee greatly reduced, with only one comment "to add emphasis".  
The glass of the Middle ages is the most renowned in the world.  The examples had been chosen for their relevance, and to display a short history of an essentially visual media, not just an addition to the text. 
Also, the examples of Spanish glass were all deplorable.  The article needs picture of Spanish glass that match the quality of the images that are in the gallery above. A pic showing all the colours bleached out of clerestory windows does not illustrate  anything about Spanish medieval glass. 
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