Talk:Charles Frederick Worth

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*Support Charles Frederick Worth. I honestly wouldn't know straightaway who "Charles Worth" was if you referred to him this way. He is ALWAYS referred to as Charles Frederick Worth in everything I've ever seen. , , , , , , , , , and literally hundreds of other books in Google Books - I've only gone with the museum publications and more serious books here. To be blunt, I honestly can't see why anyone would argue against this unless they were exceptionally obdurate. It's a complete and utter no-brainer. Keep the article title as it is. Mabalu (talk) 12:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Follow up comment - I see the Bourne Civic Society call their Local Celebrity "Charles Worth" and have a Charles Worth Gallery, but to be honest, that seems to be a small local history organization run by enthusiastic volunteers/amateurs. I'm actually surprised they call him Charles Worth, as while it's technically correct, that goes against almost everything else that has been published everywhere else since the 19th century... Mabalu (talk) 14:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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message: I've done a bit of work to improve this article, including  lengthening lede to provide more of a summary, losing duplication of information and improving references. This has added a bit more detail about, for instance, number of people Worth employed, his background in London and Paris and details about his death and funeral. All material I've added is sourced, removing some of the over-reliance on too few sources. I've also reduced size of images somewhat and tried to tidy up a little. The Haute Couture (Chambre Syndicale) template has been removed – I don't really see why it was on there as Worth's name wasn't on the list as far as I could see and there is no reference to it in the text or context to suggest why it should be on this page. I will continue looking for other sources. It would be great if this article could get a leg-up to move it off Start class. Libby norman (talk) 16:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Further tweaks and improvements, but it would benefit from other editors' input. Issues that still need resolving include the earlier references that lack page numbers – pointed out earlier by Mabalu – although I have toned down some sections already. It may be that some of these earlier refs could be replaced if other sources can be found, unless someone can access the originals and verify them. I have requested a reassessment by the biography team. If it gets off Start this might inspire people to continue improving. Libby norman (talk) 19:14, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  My what an amazing amount of work, this has totally changed the depth and range of the article. An instant concern is the lack of information that will enable people to further their research. st Edmundsbury Borough Council means what? the original title listed the museum that holds the collection of Worth dresses. a lot of references list the book but not the page would that be possible I for an example do not have access to Breward, Christopher. "Worth, Charles Frederick". oxforddnb. Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Not a moan and not to belittle the standard and amount of hard work, well done all.. Edmund Patrick –  confer 07:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Edmund Patrick, I agree we have a problem with some of the references. I've reinserted Moyse's Hall in the Gallery but am unsure how many dresses it has by Worth. I'd suggest the V&A, Met, etc would be better sources of collections but we could certainly add more information about where to see Worth dresses. Unfortunately some of the sources I've added are via online (library) resources – The Times, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, etc, are not instantly accessible – although anyone with a library card or access to a library should be able to look them up without too much trouble. I felt a contemporaneous obit notice and other newspaper accounts, and a well researched biography, such as Oxford DNB, were significant enough to be added. Where possible I have tried to add sources that can be accessed. I agree we do need to try and pin down the earlier book references – at least page numbers by each reference – as this enables people to then do further reading and find/check the source if they want to. Libby norman (talk) 10:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note to say what a slam-bang article this is.  Kudos!  NaySay (talk) 22:32, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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