Talk:Birmingham Airport

message: How about a list of airlines to this airport???
Antonio Look at me I can fly! Martin
:Apperently it's been added but I'm missing British Airways in the list, or do they not fly to BHX anymore?^^ 86.20.165.245 13:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The division of British Airways, BA Connect, which operated from Birmingham, was bought out by Flybe and as such BA no longer fly out of Birmingham. Aircraft in their colours are still operating from BHX, but these are either as part of the Flybe franchaise or for maintenance (again by Flybe). Reevery 14:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of airlines?

message: We need images of the airport terminals not just the little tram service and logo. A satellite photo would be helpful to show the size of the airport. - Erebus555 12:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images. 

message: I have removed the "New routes" sub-section within the "Airlines and destinations" section of the article. This sub-section is simply unnecessary repetition of new routes from the airport already included directly above (and correctly presented in accordance with WikiProject Airports guidelines). It complicates this section of the article by requiring those who update the "Airlines and destinations" section when a new route is announced to also update a second, identical section which in turn provides readers of the article with no new information and only serves to unnecessarily lengthen the article as a whole. Please post your views here so we can try to come to a consensus before simply adding this section again. SempreVolando (talk) 18:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We dont really need new routes duplicated. This is an encyclopedia not a travel guide and the information in the Airlines and destinations bit is all that is needed. MilborneOne (talk) 11:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "New routes" sub-section 

message: British Airways are the main airline at Terminal 2.  Ryan flies from terminal 1 and not 2  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.75 (talk) 08:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airlines at Birmingham International 

message: Please note that Wikipedia is not a travel guide and as such individual resturants, shops, etc... within an airport (e.g. Austin Reed, Julian Graves, Yates's Wine Bar, etc...) have no encyclopedic notability. I have therefore removed these in favour of a broader generic statement of available facilities in the terminal in line with this policy. SempreVolando (talk) 14:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the section it appears to be a piece of advertising slipped into the history section, it is not relevant to the history, the provision of retail facilities at an airport is not notable or unusual. It is not a travel guide and lots of other WP:NOTs. MilborneOne (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do not include shop / restaurant names 

message: An IP user has recently moved the contents of Birmingham International Airport (United Kingdom) to Birmingham International Airport, it appears that this was done without discussion. It was also moved with a copy and paste move which is not allowed in wikipedia as it destroys the article history. I have asked the IP user to discuss the move, which if agreed should be done in the correct manner. Thank you. MilborneOne (talk) 20:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Article was moved

message: Bmibaby's website continues to sell tickets from Birmingham to Krakow, Milan-Bergamo and Warsaw. If you believe these routes should not be shown, please discuss this rather than just deleting the information  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmbma (talk • contribs) 16:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: bmibaby

message: Ryanair continue to sell tickets to Fuerteventura on their website for at least the duration of December. Please do not delete this destination without discussing or providing a source  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmbma (talk • contribs) 19:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ryanair to Fuertevenutra

message: Flights do not begin until 20 December. Please do not delete the [begins 20 December] tag until 20 December Pmbma (talk) 11:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ryanair to Cuneo and Grenoble

message: In the incidents section, could the very first incident possibly refer to the airport in Birmingham, Alabama in the USA? Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport
I'm not definite but it seems possible considering the source and destination of the flight.
Bonzostar (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The accident was definately at the UK airport. That is why the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch investigated and reported on it. Mjroots (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incidents 

message: I've just had read through and some of the info is out of date, but is corrected in subsequent paragraphs. 
ie. "when the 2nd runway is built", followed by "2nd runway will not be built". And "a new international pier will be built" followed by "a new international pier has been completed". Can the old stuff be written out to take into consideration building completion and up to date planning decisions? WillDow  (Talk) 14:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to have a play around with the article throughout the course of the day to try and make it more coherent. At the moment its a bit all over the place. Bear with me through the day by not reverting. I'm going to try and use the Heathrow format to improve the article. Any probs about it, please post here rather than revert straight away... Thanks, WillDow  (Talk) 09:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Might add "Access" with public transport, and car etc etc like on other airport pages later when i get a chance WillDow  (Talk) 11:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone willing to re write/update? 

message: If a breach of security isn't classed as an "incident", then does anyone have any objections to a new section being created to cover this? Something along the lines of Security breach or 2007 Security Lapse etc. The "incident" is already covered briefly in the history section, but for something which was so serious, perhaps expansion in a new section is warranted...?
Heathrow has "Accidents and Incidents" as a heading, then "Terrorism and security incidents" as a sub heading. WillDow  (Talk) 16:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Security 

message: BHX has a new official website, and it appears now that all the current sources linking to the old www.bhx.co.uk website are now deadlinks. I'm trying to go through one by one to repair these. Any help would be appreciated. New site is here  WillDow  (Talk) 15:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: WillDow  (Talk) 15:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  All BHX sources are dead 

message: Plans have now been scaled back to halve costs. Runway will be shorter and A45 will not tunnel underneath the runway. If anyone has the time, can they update the article?  WillDow  (Talk) 08:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Runway Extension plans scaled down 

message: I propose this is moved back to Birmingham International Airport.  The page only redirects to this one.  Birmingham in England gets priority over the smaller city in Alabama when it comes to naming pages and the other airport doesn't include the word 'international' in its name. Mtaylor848 (talk) 13:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move (October 2010) 

message: Is Birmingham Airport and has been since November 2010. Just to clarify - previous to that it was Birmingham International Airport and previous to that Birmingham Airport). I changed the article with ref. There are 3rd party refs if anyone wants to use one. Widefox (talk) 12:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I believe there was a small collision where an air side service vehicle collided with a parked PIA (Pakistan International Airlines)Boeing 777 registered: AP-BGL
Should this incident be included with the "Accidents and incidents"? or should it be placed elsewhere (if at all)?
Brief info on the incident:
http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/forums/interesting-pics-of-the-damage-done-to-pia-b777-15234.aspx
The following link was obtained from the page noted above, and shows the actual damage.
http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11917
Ben.710 (talk) 19:47, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not particularly notable so should not be added to the article, a fairly common occurence at airports. MilborneOne (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional info for "Accidents and incidents" section 

message: On this article it said that airblue stopped it routes on 2 December 2013, yet after looking on the airlines website and looked at the flight schedules it still say that it fly's to BHX as far as 12 January 2014. I have found no information that airblue has stopped the route?? I think the airblue routes should stay on the article until it can be conformed that the airline has stopped flying to BHX. Here is the flight schedules ---> , 12:00, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  airblue ??? 

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message: Both Biman Bangladesh Airlines and China Southern Airlines plan to operate at Birmingham Airport in summer of 2014, which was confirmed on BHX website with other news and airline websites. The routes was then removed for known reason. Can some tell me why this is so and if it was and accident to be replied onto the main article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.145.27 (talk) 18:39, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why new International routes removed from page?? 

message: Ryanair offers flights to Bratislava 4-5 years already, but Bratislava isnt on the Ryanairs destination list anymore - this route wasnt werent cancelled and its not going to be.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.69.6 (talk) 21:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryanair Birmingham-Bratislava 

message: What has happened to all the references in this section? Could everyone please try to track who made that change. Flyer500 (talk) 19:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now fixed these references, but sections '2010-present' and 'runway extension' are quite messy Flyer500 (talk) 19:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in 'Runway Extension' 

message: I use this airport often, as it's convenient for me and I travel a lot. I have noticed there is a lot of information out of date. The Birmingham Airport official website is quite comprehensive with information about passenger destinations: http://www.want2gothere.com/bhx/destinations/
I am planning to go through that website and updating this article accordingly, to update the small number of outdated pieces of information. Brumalicious (talk) 14:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Just note that this is not a travel guide so doesnt really need to be upto date, it just needs to be reliably referenced and dated. Also note that www.want2gothere.com is not an official website just a travel company. MilborneOne (talk) 18:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, of course, this isn't wikitravel/wikivoyage. However, www.want2gothere.com is almost certainly the right place to find the correct information, as the Birmingham Airport official website links directly to it. Brumalicious (talk) 00:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup of Passenger Destinations

message: Seasonal flights by the current project consensus are those which do not operate every calendar month of the year. For Jet2 Krakow and Prague flights these do operate in each calendar month of the year, and are therefore regarded year-round for wikipedia. SempreVolando (talk) 17:59, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This idea of flights "operating every month" in order to be year round is a very loosely termed one. These Jet2 flights only have one flight in January (not notable by any means when usual schedule is 3x weekly) so January can hardly be counted. Flights then don't resume until OVER 5 weeks later half way through February. These flights are seasonal - 5 weeks is a considerable period of time and saying these flights are year round due to 1 flight in January is absolute madness!! Fair enough if the break was only 2 or 3 weeks long but this is over 5 weeks spanning 2 different months with only 1 flight in January. Using this method: a flight with a break of 4 weeks (month of Jan roughly) would be considered seasonal yet these Jet2 routes are said to be year round with over 5 weeks break! No! There needs to be a bit of leeway and common sense applied here.  Futurepilot1999 (talk) 18:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is very loosely termed I agree, as you can see from my own contributions at WT:AIRPORTS I believe a better a stricter definition is needed and should be complied with. Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's in this regard, however currently the project consensus is for services not operating in every calendar month of the year to be deemed seasonal. That does not apply to these flights and you should respect the consensus of other editors in this regard until a new and more formal wording at WP:AIRPORTS applies, via consensus (and please do contribute - there is already a discussion underway!). Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Agreed back-and-forth edits are not productive, and indeed I instigated admin attention at the same time as you (some overlap led to duplication in this respect). Will accept what an admin determines, in due course. SempreVolando (talk) 18:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: p.s. users may consider guidelines 'idiotic', but there is a clear opportunity to change them. See my note above "and please do contribute - there is already a discussion underway!". As you will see my opinion is not the status quo. Let's make it better, and clearer, for everyone. Whichever guideline ends up in place, yours, mine or something totally different! Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 18:42, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

text: I didn't use the word "policy"? Why did you quote that word? The very fact that it is not "policy" (now you've got me quoting!), is the very basis of the discussion. The established consensus among most editors over many years (not just the recent discussion) has been the definition I quoted. I actually don't even agree with it (as seen if you read my examples on the discussion thread linked above). However for now my opinion doesn't matter - until a formal guideline is changed, established consensus is the best thing we have and so we should stick with that, while putting forward the argument for what we think should actually apply. Agreed? SempreVolando (talk) 19:16, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seasonal flights 

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message: At a point 6 nm from the runway the aircraft had descended to an altitude of 660 ft, which was 164 ft above ground level. 
:What does this mean? Valetude (talk) 16:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Altitude 

message: I have removed BH Air from the listning of destinations as I have been unable to find any evidence that they are still flying to Birmingham, or have any plans to do so. Their website doesn't seem to sell tickets (!) but it doesn't really reference Birmingham anywhere, and nor do tickets see to be available for sale anywhere else. I may be wrong, and with some evidence of a resumption date am more than happy for them to be listed again. Mordac (talk) 22:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: BH Air