Talk:Delvinë

message: ::Someone remove the tourist linkMegistias (talk) 23:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the tourist link 

message: This edit has no source and makes an unwarranted assumption which satisfies the conditions of WP:NOR. It says: The verifiability policy says that an inline citation to a reliable source must be provided for all quotations, and for anything challenged or likely to be challenged. There is no source and it is easily challengeable.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 02:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contentious edit 

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message: Come on guys, let's use a little WP: GF. No one would be interested to read such sentences on the demographic situation of the city in the first lines of the article. That was why I created its own section for that. Moreover, that sentence has become practically standard for every village and town in that area. And in rare cases you can read it repetitively in the same article, creating mental fatigue. Please don't WP: DBF.Bes-ARTTalk 22:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, Bes. Hope you're well. You can remove it, if you consider it to be unnecessary for the lede. --Maleschreiber (talk) 01:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ?? How do you know that? I can tell you that plenty of people are interested, myself included. Besides, WP:LEDE is meant to provide a summary of the article. Khirurg (talk) 03:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2014 report discusses the total number of registered citizens which have been registered as belonging to minorities - it includes both inhabitants and non-inhabitants. It lists a total of 23,000+ registered citizens who belong to the Greek minority for Finiq, but less than half of them live in the municipality.--Maleschreiber (talk) 18:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: A 23,000 population in the entire Finiq municipality is a reasonable and realistic number. If official data are regarded as unreliable i.e. not reflecting the real picture (as in the 2011 census) that's another issue and needs to be supported by bibliography. On the other hand we know that the 2011 census data were largely affected by boycott and irregularities in the process.Alexikoua (talk) 23:00, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It is, but it's not the resident population. And as it is standard everywhere to use only the resident population, so we do in wikipedia. I can agree up to a point that 2011 Census its not the bet source to use for most of the villages because of boycott but using civil register only would be in stark contrast with the reality.Bes-ARTTalk 23:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many different ways which allow the clarification of any uncertainty which a bad or ambiguous translation may cause. The municipality of Finiq had 10,529 inhabitants in 2011. In the 2015 local elections, it had 29,668 registered voters - 8,495 (29%) voted. In the 2017 parliamentary elections, it had 30.101 registered voters - 6.350 (21,1%) voted. In Delvinë (41%) and in Konispol (42%) voted. And I searched for the municipal investment plan 2020-2022. In 2020, Finiq had a total of 289 primary and secondary school students(p.59) and just 87 children in pre-school. Now, a reading of the figure 23,000 as the total number of registered citizens (inhabitants and non-inhabitants) is realistic and reasonable. A reading of the figure 23,000 as the number of living inhabitants of a municipality with 87 children under six is not.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Every minority in every country in the Balkans has called for a boycott of the census of their home country because they face demographic decline. It's the only strategy which minorities have in order to keep some of their rights. And I consider it a rational strategy because basic cultural rights in the Balkans are linked to demographic figures. If they weren't linked to numbers, no minority organization would call for the boycott of any census because it wouldn't feel threatened by it.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

text: We are obligated to stick to what sources say. Please keep your "creative" original research to yourself and off the encyclopedia, thank you. Khirurg (talk) 05:08, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phearface 

message: The census of 2011 is well documented and referenced. If someone doesnt like it it doesnt mean that it should not be written here.
Thank You! RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 17:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you haven't bothered to read the talkpage, I'll just re-post the post immediately above yours. Namely from the ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THE FRAMEWORK CONVENTION FOR THE PROTECTION OF NATIONAL MINORITIES (Third Opinion on Albania adopted on 23 November 2011) dated 4th of June 2012 and from the abstract: "".  Khirurg (talk) 19:57, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Bibliography states that the 2011 census was affected by boycott as such this is a fact and even sources presenting this data don't forget adding the necessary footnote: "[]. We can not replace it to with a speculation that "Organizations of the Greek minority and Albanian nationalist parties called for a boycott" based on a news article published before the census ethnic data became known. It simply constitutes wp:POV.  Also this quote: 
This means that the the census data were affected indeed not simply that there was indeed a call for boycott.
Moreover, the Albanian majority claim is based on Kallivretakis' fieldwork. I can't see a reason why this shouldn't be mentioned. We should present the issue in NPOV fashion since bibliography doesn't agree on the Albanian majority thing.Alexikoua (talk) 00:05, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Pardon me but the HRW does not present the same information compared to Kalivretakis [].Alexikoua (talk) 00:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, HRW is saying that in 1999 Greeks were just 25% in the town and in 1989 50%. Kallivretakis doesn't refer to 1989 so HRW doesn't contradict him. Calls of Greek organizations aren't the same as a boycott itself.Alltan (talk) 00:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Altann: Your comment is in full contracition with your reverts: you claim that Kallivretakis claims something diferrent nevertheless you remove his attribution. You also removed entirely the well sourced fact that the census results were affected by boycott from the Greek community (removed also quote that supports this). I assume you either did this by accident or should this be a case of wp:DISRUPTION?Alexikoua (talk) 01:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also another issue: HRW refers to 1989 and Kallivretakis to 1991 (yes Kallivretakis concerned 1991 yet another information removed by Altann [] so I begin to feel that this is definitely wp:DISRUPTION)  -> we should change it to the correct chronological order.Alexikoua (talk) 02:10, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  2011 Census 

message: Already in convenient section, therefore it is to be removed. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:15, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the same feeling for Margariti about the alternative name. Based on this rationale.Alexikoua (talk) 22:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, it would affect too many articles. Let's dismiss it instead or do you have any other opinion? I am confused of your lastest opionion on the talk of Konitsa. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:11, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek name on lead