Talk:Lindworm

message: :In fact there were actual and very real "serpents" that threatened ancient Germanic peoples. It likely made a lasting impression on them which could have developed into Norse saga and myths about lindworms/dragons: these lindworms could grow much longer than any dinosaur known to modern science, and they were dwelling in dragon lairs of which remnants still can be seen today. They had small wings that did not quite enable them to fly, yet they could move quickly, leaving traces behind. The skin of the reptile was scaled and inpenetrable, and it could breath fire. Once, a huge lindworm crawling through the forests of Northern Germany was slain by a hero in an ambush. After literally bathing in its blood, the skin of the dragon made the hero's skin inpenetrable, and the dragon's treasure made him rich. Even centuries after the last dragons had been slain and their wisdom was lost, the fame of the hero was told in tales.
:I removed the above false text. This is an encyclopedia, not a comic book. --Haldrik
::Did you know that Lindworm is also a dutch name for a worm creature that can become 2+/- meters long, and lives in a human or other animal? I don't know the english name for it but anyone who knows, please place it here.
:::The english name would be 'tapeworm'. Verification: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lintwormen
::::Lindworm is also a surname. I have 17th century ancestors from the area around Franfurt, Germany, with the surnames Drachen (dragon) and Lindworm. They were all Jewish. 75.101.104.17 (talk) 06:38, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real lindworms? 

message: I remember seeing an image similar to that on the article page in the Lair of the White Worm (film). Would it be fair to say that Bram Stoker, who wrote the book the film was based on, may have been superficially referring to Lindworm legends in the book? Badbilltucker 18:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience large worms, large snakes, lindworms and dragons are synonyms in old North European legends.--Berig 18:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lair of the White Worm (film)]] 

message: Okay, I changed a couple of things. 
Firstly the article said that Ragnar wore 'fur-pants', 'pants' is not an encyclopedic word, so it has been altered to 'trousers', if you'd prefer pantaloons or another synonym that's fine but the slang term 'pants' should not be used.
Secondly the article says that Ragnar recieved 'the honorary title of Lodbrok (Fur-Pants)'. My first issue with this is the translation (and the slang usage within); the best and most accepted translation is 'hairy-britches'. Another problem with this passage is that Lodbrok is not an honorific title but rather a byname. I have altered these problems. 84.68.90.133 09:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing information about Ragnar Lodbrok 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 22:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: It is often shown wingless, whith a poisonous bite, like the Komodo dragon.
Er, how is a poisonous bite depicted in heraldry? —Tamfang (talk) 04:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  heraldic depiction 

message: I move a section here for discussion:
:The English term 'lindworm' sometimes refers to the Viking Era runic depictions of a huge horned serpent with arms, which can also be called a 'lindorm' in Scandinavian languages in the sense it is a 'serpent'. However, the technical English term and the general Scandinavian term are not equal in meaning. In the Viking Era, this creature was called a 'snake' (ormr) or a 'dragon' (dreki), not a 'lindorm' (linnormr). (Note, the Völuspá mentions a dreki with wings, probably resembling the 'wyvern' in British heraldry.)
This text looks a bit too omniscient about the mindset of Viking Age Scandinavians, and I not been able to find any support for these statements on the meaning of linnormr in my etymological dictionary (Hellquist 1922).--Berig (talk) 16:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible OR

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Misunderstandings like the one I just deleted happen when you try to use translations of translations of translations. Saxo Grammaticus' Gesta Danorum 9.4.4-7 actually says (bold emphasis mine):
<BLOCKQUOTE>Tertio item ac quarto Scanis Hallandisque felici auspicio domitis, in Thoram Herothi regis filiam nuptiarum amore converso, sibi ac Lathgerthae repudium interiecit. Damnabat enim coniugis fidem, quam olim in perniciem suam summae ferocitatis beluas admovisse meminerat. Interea rex Sueonum Herothus, silvas forte venatione complexus, repertas a comitibus angues filiae detulit nutriendas. Illa paterno ocius obsecuta praecepto, vipereum (viper) genus virgineis manibus educare sustinuit; quin etiam curae habuit, ut integrum bovis cadaver earum quotidie satietati suppeteret, ignorans se privato pabulo publicam sustentare perniciem. Quae cum adultae pestilentissimo halitu viciniam urerent, rex, inertis operae paenitens, potiturum filia, qui pestem amovisset, edixit. Quo non minori fortitudinis quam libidinis incitamento frequens iuventus adducta periculosam inaniter operam erogabat. Cuius rei summam Regnerus ab intermeantibus expertus, laneum a nutrice sagulum villosaque admodum femoralia, quibus inflictos anguium morsus (snake bite) elideret, expetivit. Procedenti inusitatae magnitudinis obvius allabitur serpens (serpent)...</BLOCKQUOTE>
See http://wayback-01.kb.dk/wayback/20100504153455/http://www2.kb.dk/elib/lit/dan/saxo/lat/or.dsr/9/4/index.htm
--Gunnora (talk) 14:56, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saxo Grammaticus says nothing about lindworms 

message: The article repeatedly states that lindworms do not have wings, and their winglessness is the way to differentiate them from dragons and wyverns.
Yet most pictures of lindworm given in the article show lindworms with wings.
Should there be some notice that while certain sources define the lindworm as wingless, in depictions, it often has, making it indistinguishable from wyverns? 2A02:810D:840:16A3:19C9:AB2A:51C1:3871 (talk) 10:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a note that, despite the most common definition, lindworms are sometimes depicted with wings, though I would have liked a better source. You would not happen to know one? I don't quite see how you get to your "3 out of 4" opinion, though. We have six images in the article, and as far as I can tell only two of them feature wings. And those two come from the same specific instance, Klagenfurt. Daranios (talk) 14:24, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I had overlooked that the image from Urnes Stave Church also features wings. Making the count half-half. Daranios (talk) 10:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is a mess. The intro talks about runestone dragons which are not necessarily lindworms. We do not know what they are since lindworms and dragons more or less seems to be the same thing at times in viking mythology. Runestone lindworms/dragons/serpants/etc should be its own article (see swedish article :sv:Rundrake for example). Then there are the many different mythological lindworms throughout Europe. In Scandinavia lindworms (or lindorm = "linden snake") typically dont have wings or limbs, simply giant fucking snakes with magical powers that haunts the forrest (see this depiction by John Bauer, very "on point" stereotype). Sometimes they are goodwilled, sometimes they are evil. To hunt u down they bite their tail and roll after u like a wheel. From Germany going east in Europe the lindworm typically recieves wings and limbs like a dragon. In France this is called a guivre or vouivre, in Britain, a wyvern. Then there are lindworms in heraldry, were any dragon-esc creature can be called a lindworm for some bizarre reason.--Blockhaj (talk) 02:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 out of 4 lindworms have wings 

message: So as the title says, this article should be split into Lindworm (the creature), Lindworm (heraldry) and . Serpent creatures on runestones are not confirmed to be depictions of Lindworms. In Sweden we call these runestone dragons (rundrake) as our traditional lindworms lack limbs. Then there are lindworms in heraldry, which seems have their own set of rules. One dude told me that more or less any dragon in heraldry is called lindworm. Blockhaj (talk) 08:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be strange to do this just for Lindworm. I see that Griffin is a single article for mythical and heraldic material, and there must be others.—Northernhenge (talk) 15:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well heraldry can be covered in this article but the runic dragon should have its own article. We should make a translation of sv:Rundjur as "Runic animal".--Blockhaj (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting article into Lindworm (the creature), Lindworm (heraldry) and Runic animal