Talk:Clan Gordon

message: I haven't read the article fully, nor any external links, so apologies if I have missed it, but does anyone know if the family took their name from the district of Gordon in the north-east, or if the district took its name from the powerful local family? 
*Gordon, Scotland, a local government district from 1975 to 1996 (although, obviously, it is an old name for the area)
*Gordon (UK Parliament constituency), a parliamentary constituency of the House of Commons
*Gordon (Scottish Parliament constituency), a constituency of the Scottish Parliament
*Presbytery of Gordon, one of the Church of Scotland presbyteries, an administrative district
It seems to be an important point worth mentioning in the article.
--Mais oui! 01:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I imagine it's the other way round, i.e. those things you listed above probably took their names from the clan. AJKGORDON«» 14:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

text: The Scottish surname Gordon is derived from a place name in Berwickshire. I'd assume the places you listed are derived from the surname though. They seem to be in 'Gordon country'. (see map)--Celtus (talk) 10:53, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology?

message: The art work looks great but is incorrect.  This pictorial error is located on both the Clan page and on the list of crest badges page.
According to the information registered with Lord Lyons King of Arms, (and as noted on the List of crest badges page) the Gordon stag should have only 10 tines.  The 12 tine stag is a modification that is used by the Gordon Highland Regiment.  Additionally, for the Gordons the stag should be mounted over a cornet as opposed to the wreath shown. 
Is it possible to contact the artist who provided the Clan Badge art work to see if they are willing to do a corrected badge for inclusion on the this site? 
Jerry Vandenberg
Virginia House of Gordon  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vandege (talk • contribs) 13:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Best to contact User:Celtus as his contribution to the clan crest badges is legion. Yours Czar Brodie (talk) 18:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The user who did the coloured image is Steifer at the Wikimedia Commons. I had noticed another one (Douglas) of his crest badge images was missing a baronial chapeau.--Celtus (talk) 09:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  House/Clan Gordon page and List of Clan Badges 

message: I have managed to cover some of the facts in this article covered by the book:"The Scottish Clans and Their Tartans”. W. & A. K. Johnston Limited. Edinburgh and London. 1886. Page 25.  However there is still alot which needs proper references.QuintusPetillius (talk) 18:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources/References

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message: Wikipedia frowns on bulleted text. For example, I found this under Origins
*According to Professor J D Mackie, in "A History of Scotland", page 109, "...the Earl of Huntly was head of the Gordons, but by no means all the 150 houses which claimed the name of Gordon were sprung from the loins of his ancestor..."
This is an interesting opinion, but needs to be removed. To begin with, there is not a citation for it. I went to look this up so I could provide a citation but there are numerous editions making the page number sentence invalid. It needs sourcing, with the proper edition. Also, the statement is pure supposition. Sure, it makes sense but there is nothing to back that statement up. For this reason, I have removed it. If you wish to find the statement in a proper edition and add more context to the claim then by all means please do, but please remember the bullet rule in the MoS, where it states, "Embedded lists should be used only when appropriate; sometimes the information in a list is better presented as prose paragraphs." MagnoliaSouth (talk) 22:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper citations and removing bulleted lists. 

message: I am presently reading A Topographical and Historical Account of the Town of Kelso, and of the Town and Castle of Roxburgh by James Haig (1825) (available for free, here). Haig writes on pages 258-259 (image numbers 358-359) that in 1371, a Sir John Gordon held lands adjacent to the Earl of March (which if the date is correct, that's Mortimer). In August of that year, the Scots were celebrating their annual fair when the Earl of March's chamberlain was murdered, by the English. March then demanded the 1st Earl of Northumberland to hand over the murderer but he refused. In retaliation, the Scots waited until the English fair the next year and killed all the men. The English then crossed the border and "ravaged" Sir John Gordon's estate in addition to others. Sir John Gordon was then so enraged, that he crossed the border into England and killed "many". On his way back, he was accosted by Sir John Lilburn (who evidently did exist, as per House of Lilburn). The battle was quite fierce and the Scots nearly lost, but they did win. They now took the rest prisoners and his "booty" was re-collected. I think the narrative of story merits a paragraph but I want to be sure that these are not "tales" beforehand, if at all possible. One way to check would be to double check on the land records but I don't even know if they exist or are accessible by professionals. Does anyone exist out there who would be willing to help? MagnoliaSouth (talk) 00:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE - I have found a secondary source that actually lists Scot peerage and this story is mentioned there as well, though not as detailed. This book is called The peerage of Scotland: containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom, ... collected from the public records, and ancient chartularies of this nation, ... Illustrated with copper-plates. By Robert Douglas, Esq;. by Sir Robert Douglas, 6th Baronet. It has many free translations in digital form and the one I am reading is available at the Unversity of Michigan's website, here. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 02:05, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

text: If you have a published secondary source then you should be ok, but be wary of the Victorian era "romantic" histories.QuintusPetillius (talk) 17:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sir John Gordon