Talk:Utaybah ibn Abi Lahab

message: Apparently a son who later became a woman. Or is there an error in the text? I'm unclear about the significance of this person. Please expand. — RJH 21:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: This article provides no real sources. There are two references. The first one is a link toward the Arabic page, which provides no more information. The second one (in Arabic) is contestable. The article may rely on medieval Islamic references, if there are. Tabari's history does not mention Utaybah's death. N. Payen (talk) 09:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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message: This is a religiously inspired entry, meant to show that:
1. People who harmed Muhammad were punished by Allah (evidence is given of such harm by Utaybah)
2. Muhammad's curse on Utaybah was fulfilled by Allah (albeit Utaybah was killed by a lion, not a dog)
Utaybah is of incidental interest in the story of Islam. This is due to:
1. His marriage (unconsumated) to a daughter of Muhammad, namely Umm Kulthum bint Muhammad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Kulthum_bint_Muhammad
2. His being a son of Abu Lahab, Muhammad's uncle(also cursed by Muhammad in Quran Al-Masad ("The Palm Fibre") 111.1-5, a whole chapter) who was an inveterate enemy of Muhammad, and a major figure in the Meccan/Quraysh opposition to Muhammad)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab%C5%AB_Lahab
- a lurid account of Abu Lahab's death and burial is given on his Wikipedia page, albeit credited to Ibn Ishaq (which I haven't checked) followed by a tale of his suffering in the afterlife (credited to Ibn Sa'ad, which is correct, although Ibn Sa'ad's ahadith are not considered sahih/authentic)
- again, this shows that people who harmed Muhammad and were cursed by him are punished by Allah
- thus there is a "like father like son" narrative, in the story of this family
3. Utaybah's brother Utbah was also married (unconsumated) to a daughter of Muhammad, Ruqayyah bint Muhammad. 
- Both Utaybah and Utbah divorced Muhammad's daughters under pressure from their father Abu Lahab when he was publicly cursed by Muhammad, and the daughters were still children (Umm Kulthum being 10 at the time, and Ruqayyah 12)
- the brother Utbah later converted to Islam
Tangential modern interest in the story of Utaybah (and his brother) is due to their being first cousins of Muhammad
- this is relevant to the prevalence of consanguinal (cousin) marriages in Muslim majority countries
- numerous genetic and congenital disorders have been established to be the result of cousin marriages
- due to this prevalence Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, Iran, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates now have compulsory Premarital Genetic Screening amd Counselling(PMGSC)programs, without which a marriage certificate is not issued by the state
- however, marriage to first cousins is lawful according to the Qu'ran
- the example of Muhammad, who married a first cousin Zainab bint Jahl, and married three of his daughters to first cousins (Fatimah to Ali, the 4th Caliph being the third example, as he was also a first cousin of Muhammad)has religious significance
- religious authorities have been considered reluctant to endorse the compulsory PMSGC due to the example of Muhammad
- online fatwas (religious rulings by qualified clerics) lead with the Qu'ran and the example of Muhammad with cousin marriages in answers to the question "Can I marry my cousin" - refences given if required
The reference in this article is rubbish and contested
- only one reference remains as of the date of my post
- this reference is to a Jordanian web site concerned with tourism
- this can be accessed in (bad) English by placing the English part of the url into Google translate
- after much conjecture the article finishes:
- "Dr. Wahib notes that this discovery is part of the Hashemite University's mission towards serving the local community and stimulating tourism in Jordan, stressing that the aforementioned discovery contributes to activating environmental, religious and archeological tourism in Zarqa Governorate."
- i.e. the "research" has the purpose of stimulating tourism
- I do not know where the story of Muhammad cursing Utaybah and his subsequent killing by a lion originates, but it obviously is known elsewhere
94.197.120.208 (talk) 06:46, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religiously inspired entry