Talk:UK rap

message: No Potter Payper??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.163.122.87 (talk) 14:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

message: This is a good article, but it needs to be Wikified to attribute its sources.  For example:  Nowadays, British hip hop is enjoying its second coming - managing to be popular without "selling out" and innovative without being off-putting... Says who?  I'll start work on tidying this up, but any help would be appreciated. Please don't remove the 'references boilerplate' as this helps alert other editors that it's in need of a little attention.  See: Wikipedia: Citing Sources. Regards Escaper7 10:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: A complete rewrite needs to be actioned as the focus under this heading talks more about UK grime than anything. Grime has its own page and little is mentioned of the traditional hip hop sounds coming out of the underground. I would also debate the influences cited for the 'new wave' of Brit-hop. To simply say 'hip-hop' is ill-defined to say the least. UK hip hop? US hip hop? Also the term "hip-hop" is used and abused by everyone and can cause mass confusion - many people still associate the term with mainstream gangster rap and hip-pop without any knowledge of the many sub-genres stemming off of it.
:I agree, the "new generation", "next generation" sections are a bit odd sounding, and seem to be an extended list of new acts, I don't have enough expertise or time to assist with this, but it definitely needs to be radically overhauled. Escaper7 05:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only (brief) mentions of grime on the page are relevant to the history of UK hip hop. It's important to mention UKHH being eclipsed by grime in the early 2000s, and also important to acknowledge grime opening the doors for popular UK HH acts in the early 2010s. The mentions of Skepta and Stormzy are in relation to their non-grime stuff. HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 00:22, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: New Generation...?

message: I think it's useful to include information about regional hip-hop artists, but there are several inconsistencies in the links from this article.  I think there should be a regional sub-section, but let's keep out the My Space links, "See Alsos" to non existent articles ie Manchester hip hop, and if there are to be separate articles they should be consistently merged.  The fact that Skinnyman was born in Yorkshire, but actually grew up in London, means it's physically impossible to say that he's contributed to "Yorkshire hip hop"  - he hasn't, is simply from that region. That's why I'm suggesting those article be merged with this one. Escaper7 10:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hip hop in the regions 

message: An unregistered editor moved this page to UK hip hop, but failed to move the talk page which obviously causes serious problems.  Please discuss the need for a move here on the talk pages first.  Thanks. Escaper7 12:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect to UK hip hop

message: I've added this article to the list requiring a clean up.  The Next Generation and New Generation sections are constantly being changed with a new name claiming the first Wikilink on a regular basis.  Why was there a new and next generation? What prompted it?  This article raises more questions than it answers and is now very long with a handful of sources incorrectly formatted. This is an important subject - it deserves a good rewrite to bring it up to standard. Escaper7 17:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got things moving a bit by starting on the references - I haven't got a lot of time to devote to this so any contributions welcomed, please discuss major changes first, as a courtesy to eds cleaning this up, and please follow the correct format of referencing as this is quite a long article to pick through and source. Regards.  Escaper7 18:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up: started

message: Since this is British hip hop, and Scotland is part of Britain, shouldn't the Scottish hip hop article be merged with this? Sheriff Bernard 10:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scottish hip hop

message: There have been a few recent changes to the Top 50 in the article, replacing the artists in the listing, often for quite obscure artists. I don't have a copy of the article, but I suspect some people are using the list as an opportunity to get their name on Wikipedia - has anyone got a reliable online source for the list? I can't find one, and the only other options would be either a lock or to remove the section, both of which would be a bit extreme. JonStrines 08:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, the list shouldn't be in the article anyway. It's not a definitive list, it's an editorial from one particular magazine and it's not written in an encyclopedic form. Yeanold Viskersenn 13:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Doesn't Hip Hop Connection have its own page? We could move it over to there where it might be more appropriate? JonStrines 09:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be more appropriate there, but I think lifting a list of 50 artists that their journos consider to be the best and putting the entire list in an article might not be appropriate - it's verging on infringing HHC's copyright. Yeanold Viskersenn 14:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its nowhere near their copyright, but that's by the by: if its not right for wikipedia as a list, then it should go. Presumably the most appropriate mention would be on the individual artist/album pages, but not having a citable source I wouldn't want to put it in myself. If nobody objects in the next few days, I'll delete the list as unencyclopedic and unsourced: if there's an appropriate place, I'll try and insert a comment about the list's existence, since that can be sourced easily enough. JonStrines 14:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: HHC Top 50

message: Apart from the small sentence on GLC, there isn't any info regarding welsh hiphop. As the page is 'Brtish hip hop', we could maybe have seperate paragraphs for music of welsh, scottish and irish origin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feralvision (talk • contribs) 13:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  There isn't much mention of Welsh hiphop 

message: British hiphop has NEVER been called 'Brithop', what a load of bollocks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feralvision (talk • contribs) 14:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'BRITHOP BOLLOCKS' 

message: yeah right.... does this writer even live in Britain?
If you read 'Hesmondhalgh, D. & Melville, C. (2001) Urban Breakbeat Culture: Repercussions of Hip-Hop in the United Kingdom, In: Mitchell, T. ed. Global Noise, Rap and Hip-Hop outside the USA, Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press. pp 86-110.' you will see that in fact these comments are valid. There is a very large correlation between ethnic groups cohabiting in areas and the demographic make-up of the UK. However it is rare to find a region that is purely compiled of an ethnic groups.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chubbyhamster61 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "This is due to the fact that various ethnic groups in Britain tend to not live in segregated areas" 

message: It British Hip Hop a genre of its own, or a wider genre that is being done in Britain? Assuming that it is the British version of a wider genre, I have put it on the Template: UK music, which fits in with the way British classical music, jazz and rock are classified and gives this article a similar status to those. But I have deleted the info box from this article as it was for Hip Hop in general and not for British Hip Hop. 
Also I have tried to give British Hip Hop some of the status it deserved by getting it into articles like Music of the United Kingdom (1980s), but am not an expert on this, so feel free to go there and check that my summary doesn't say anything really dumb.--Sabrebd (talk) 10:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre or location? 

message: The article has a large number of unreferenced assertions and is very poorly written. If anyone can help and has the time, please feel free to do so.--SabreBD (talk) 09:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple issues

message: Can I write to include UK styles such as tinie tempahs style that ounds like jumpup which hasnt kicked in and gigg's "pecknarm sound" which is more like grime/bashment which is slowed down? Then there's grime-style too so...  ARRRGRGGHHH!!! PECKY SOUND!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.70.181.1 (talk) 11:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New styles of Hip-Hop 

message: Can I write to include UK styles such as tinie tempahs style that ounds like jumpup which hasnt kicked in and gigg's "pecknarm sound" which is more like grime/bashment which is slowed down? Then there's grime-style too so...  ARRRGRGGHHH!!! PECKY SOUND!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJ5xF4Y2FM&feature=related <- Some peckysound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIwUJ5XAIpE <-Grimesound
Thanks, J20  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.70.181.1 (talk) 11:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New styles of Hip-Hop 

message: Why isn't this called UK Hip Hop? The opening paragraph mentions Northern Ireland, which isn't part of Britain but is part of the UK. If we're including Northern Irish Hip Hop, surely 'UK Hip Hop' is a more appropriate article title? 77.99.12.140 (talk) 14:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Hip Hop v.s. British Hip Hop 

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message: The first ever British hip hop tune released on record was "Christmas Rapping" by Dizzy Heights (Polydor, 1982) and not (contrary to popular belief) "London Bridge" by Newtrament (Jive Records, 1983)
This is what wikipedia currently claims, however an earlier record "Chip Shop Wrapping" by Allen & Blewitt was released in 1980., April 18th. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe we need to revise this a bit?
: There's also 'The Barnsley Rap' released in 1981 which also predates the given examples. Madbrad200 (talk) 16:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  First ever UK hip hop record appears incorrect 

message: Possibly useful source for this article here:
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/misunderstanding-of-drill-music-leading-to-unfair-convictions-says-justice/5107565.article?utm_source=gazette_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Drill+music+and+unfair+convictions+%7c+SFO+wrong+to+sack+solicitor+%7c+Budget+predictions_02%2f25%2f2021  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.71.217.122 (talk) 14:30, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible source

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Not many comments, but has already been relisted. Seems to be appropriate per WP:COMMONNAME. (non-admin closure) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 15:32, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: British hip hop →  – Widely known as "UK rap", almost never called "British hip hop", as opposed to "Hip hop" on the other side of the Atlantic. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=uk%20rap,british%20rap,uk%20hip%20hop,british%20hip%20hop 90.255.15.152 (talk) 13:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Strong support per WP:COMMONNAME. 92.40.197.120 (talk) 12:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 4 June 2023