Talk:Genealogia Deorum Gentilium

message: :So I deleted it. Please explain what it is.  Doug, if English is your second language please consider using far fewer adverbs than you do, as they detract greatly from content.  KP Botany 23:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Appreciated the constructive criticisms and I'll use less adverbs. Wasn't quite sure how to word that, so I'll throw the complete item out here - and maybe you can help me reconstruct it the way it should be.
** English version with introductory essay and commentary by Charles G. Osgood (Princeton University Press 1930, reprinted in the Library of Liberal Arts, Bobbs-Merrill, 1956) for only the Fourteenth Book and Fifteenth Book. What I am trying to say is that Osgood first came out in an English translation of the Preface and only the 14th and 15th books in 1930 that was published by the Princeton University Press. It was later republished and brought out again (same information) by Library of Liberal Arts, Bobbs-Merrill (publisher), 1956, published in Indianapolis. Should I have just selected one publisher and one date (i.e. original publisher, Princeton University Press, 1930)?--Doug talk 12:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I'm taking a few references out, because on this topic we should be able to rely solely on academic works--e.g. articles in peer-reviewed journals, scholarly monographs, histories of literature. In case they're useful, though, I'll put what I take out here:
*Boccaccio on Poetry - Polysemous Allegory
*Ovid, Metamorphoses. Latin only at the Latin Library.--I don't think we need to link to the text of Ovid's Metamorphoses here, since an interested reader can simply go to Metamorphoses. On the other hand, we could link to Ovid's text in an "external links" section if desired. But not in the main text, please!
*Boccaccio, Giovanni (1313-75). This looks like a nice website, but I think we'd be better off relying on scholarly publications.
*Introduction to Boccaccio. Again, high-quality print sources are available, so let's stay away from handouts for college courses. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job.  Thanks.  KP Botany 23:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to get to the library tomorrow and find some references tomorrow. For our friend Dionigi, too. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might mention if there are any especially famous manuscripts around, and add the details of the transition to print - editio princeps, vernacular translations, illustrated editions etc. There is a lot on the later influence of the work in: Malcolm Bull, The Mirror of the Gods, How Renaissance Artists Rediscovered the Pagan Gods, Oxford UP, 2005, ISBN 100195219236
Johnbod 12:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are excellent suggestions. For now I'll be working on the most basic stuff, but what you mention--especially the work's later influence--should be in the article eventually. Of course, if someone else gets to it first, I'll be happy. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll try to add from Bull Johnbod 16:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Johnbod. I've got Osgood's translation of Books 14 and 15, which should prove useful. By the way, this isn't a poem, in case someone had gotten that impression--it's in nice Humanist Latin prose. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed references

message: I removed the following two sentences from the first paragraph of the article: "This is a large collection of classical mythology in fifteen books (libri) intended as an encyclopedic compilation of ancient works from diverse sources. It personifies the concept of the Aristotelian-Catholic cycle of learning." The citation given for this bit of text is "Hyde, Thomas. "Boccaccio: The Genealogies of Myth." PMLA 100 (1985) pp. 737-745." However, Hyde does not support this assertion. Instead, they are taken from Charles Osgood, Boccaccio on Poetry (Princeton 1930), page xi: "The Genealogy is a huge encyclopaedic repository of clasical mythology in fifteen books. Both in form and in plan it is a book of its times. It embodies the the Aristotelian-Catholic idea of the cycle of learning, with pagan precedents such as the works of Pliny and Varro." This is a close paraphrase ("Aristotelian-Catholic cycle of learning"), without proper attribution, and as such, is plagiarism. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well only the first 2 paras are now not by me, & I can rewrite those, then we're ok here I think. But worrying given how much else he has done. Johnbod 02:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good; I think this article will be in the clear after that. But yes, there are potential problems on other articles. Liber sine nomine is probably the most glaring right now. I'm really too tired to go through it in detail, but the summaries of the letters are drawn out of Zacour. It's not a straight copy, though, so examining it will take some time. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, leaving only a corrected version of "According to the Preface Boccaccio undertook the project at the request of Hugh IV of Cyprus.  The first version was completed in 1360, and he continuously corrected and revised his poem (sic) until his death in 1374...." - the mistake in which I hope means it is WP original!  This is now unreferenced, though I think EB said the same.  I'm afraid I won't be any use on the other stuff, as I come at this from the art/printing side. Good luck! Johnbod 02:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Johnbod. I'll try to use what I've got to correct and expand the article--though I think I won't do it right now, dealing with this has made me annoyed and tired. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I think especially needs expanding now is his "defence of Poetry" in the last 2 books, which I lots of references to, but don't feel able to tackle myself. Johnbod 04:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism