Talk:2009 British & Irish Lions tour to South Africa

message: Why are there links to the national sides in the tables when the heading clearly states Home union. This makes no sense, especially when there are and will be players listed who have not played for the national side they are linked to but are affiliated with a union. --Bob (talk) 22:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Home Union

message: I've reverted to a single table listing every player selected, with notes explaining their circumstances. I can't see much point to having a 'current squad' list which will change all the time. Wikipedia is not a news service. After the tour this would just reflect those players left standing at the end. IMO, we should have one squad list - separating the squad into 'current players' and 'withdrawals' is unnecessary commentary. --hippo43 (talk) 20:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Squad section 

message: Is there any particular reason why the IRFU isn't used against the players from Ireland rather than leaving them flagless?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegreatgonzo (talk • contribs) 15:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the IRFU flag is copyrighted (or rather it incorporates the IRFU logo, which is copyrighted, making the flag a derivative work). Sorry. – PeeJay 17:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the Irish Flag?   Cargoking  talk  10:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The flag of the Republic of Ireland, to which I assume you refer, only applies to the Republic of Ireland. Since the Irish rugby team represents the island of Ireland as a whole, to use the flag of the Republic would be completely inappropriate. – PeeJay 13:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: I've reverted to a smaller team list format for the 1st Test. To me, the layout with vertical lists with a giant field diagram in the middle was a breach of WP:NPOV, in that it gave undue weight to the teams for this game. It took up almost the entire page view in my browser, and had as much space as four of the other games. The article has to proportionately reflect coverage in reliable sources, and it clearly didn't in this case. Why such a focus on Tests over the non-international games? I don't believe this emphasis is reflected in the sources. Moreover, the article will become very ugly and unwieldy if we end up with three of these lists for the Tests. I'm interested in what others think. --hippo43 (talk) 22:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is more of a focus on the Test matches because they are Test matches. By definition, they carry more weight than the tour matches, and therefore more detail should be given for those matches. Further detail will be given once the match is played, with regard to substitutions and yellow/red cards (if any are given). – PeeJay 22:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with PeeJay, the Tests are heavily weighted in comparison to the invitational and regional games. I understand that some people dislike the graphics heavy style, but I would keep as is. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree too, there's nothing wrong in putting more emphasis on tests. Tests matches are more important than midweek games, keep as is. Saebhiar Adishatz 04:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also agree with the majority here, although I think the image with its tiny pizelated names is awful. But that goes with the template, I suppose. HornetMike (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As creator of the line-up graphic, I don't see anything wrong with having the image there, although I do agree with you that the names could show up better. I'll try increasing the size of the image to 350px width. – PeeJay 21:45, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

text: (reset ident) Just to clarify, I'm not against the image, just the way it looked at that point! It looks better with larger text. HornetMike (talk) 23:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team lists 

message: Is incorrect
SA give their blindside flanker the number 7 and their openside 6
Burger is actually an openside, do the research if you don't believe me. Juan Smith is the blindside for the Boks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.240.209.35 (talk • contribs) 
:Are you sure about that? Got a source? – PeeJay 12:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Team images

message: Does someone know of a format for a statistics table like lineouts won, missed tackles, penalties conceded etc...?  Please add it! --41.145.67.219 (talk) 13:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think such detailed stats can be found on the interweb, and even if they could, I'm not sure they're particularly encyclopaedic! – PeeJay 13:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, like I said above, I don't think it's particularly encyclopaedic. Nevertheless, if consensus approves of its addition, I would suggest that a separate section be created, as the tables you added looked (and I apologise for being terribly blunt) bloody awful where they were. For my suggestion for how the tables should look, have a look at 2007 Rugby World Cup Final#Statistics. – PeeJay 20:55, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I considered rather putting the "headings" in the middle with the numbers for each team on either side, but that would make it a rather long vertical table, and I always feel it messes up the navigation, so I tried the horizontal one, which I don´t really think looks that bad - maybe needs a little formatting.  Kinda gives you all the info at a glance without the need to scroll down.  The position in the article is of course totally debatable. Where do you suggest?--Sahmejil (talk) 21:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats tables? 

message: It looks kind of weird with SA having a flag in the tables, while the Lions don´t.  Why not use a scaled down version of the emblem as at the top of the page, since it is the representative symbol of the team, just like a flag would normally be? --Sahmejil (talk) 14:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt that would be acceptable under Fair Use terms, since it would qualify as merely decorative. – PeeJay 15:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lions emblem/flag 

message: This article has no pictures! Please look out for some useable media and add it. Thanks! 
--Sahmejil (talk) 17:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media needed! 

message: Do we need a succession box and a template of Lions tours on this article? Seems like a bit of overkill to me.--Bcp67 (talk) 17:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be. The question seems to be about deciding between the succession box, lions tour template and the references in the lead that refer to preceding and succeeding tours.  -  My vote is for the sentence near the top of the lead that link to the previous/next tour (as in other tours) and the template of lions tour at the end. Sahmejil (talk) 19:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Remove the succession box, it's pointless. --hippo43 (talk) 03:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession box / template 

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