Talk:Woody Allen

message: Should a reference to the Woody Allen sexual assault allegation be included in the lead section? A discussion on inclusion in the lead was commenced a year ago without result, and I think community input is desirable. Please note that the current version of the article does not contain a reference to the abuse allegation anywhere in the lead section. There was an RfC in 2018 on inclusion in the lead paragraph not the lead section, with a consensus finding it should not be included in the first paragraph. Coretheapple (talk) 16:37, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much unanimous still, so I'm not worried Hamlet will appear on the stage. Coretheapple (talk) 15:29, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC: Inclusion of sexual assault allegation in the lead

message: I haven't been verified yet, so could someone please remove the dead link@citation 26?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaoriisbestgirl (talk • contribs) 15:29, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Domain name had been lost to scammers. | Uncle Milty | talk | 20:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request 

message: There is a cited reference in the lede that Woody Allen started his career with Your Show of Shows, but that is contradicted later in the "Career" section, that he first wrote for Sid Caesar after that.  Allen's IMDB page gives his first work for Sid Caesar in 1958 -- 4 years after Your Show of Shows and even after Caesar's Hour.  Allen's personal site also lists the 1958 work as his earliest.  Cross-checking, Larry Gelbart (also listed on this article as working with Allen on Your Show of Shows) doesn't mention collaborating this early.  Allen may have submitted jokes to various shows (including Your Show of Shows) before becoming more successful but I question the accuracy of the Time article and think the lede should be revised without this reference.  HalJor (talk) 16:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that this part of the article also contradicts the Your Show of Shows article which states "Likewise, Woody Allen did not write for Your Show of Shows, as he worked only on several Sid Caesar TV series and specials from 1958 forward." 50.200.219.238 (talk) 17:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your Show of Shows? 

message: I find this edit of yours to negatively effect the quality of the article because it removes context. It was a petition in support of Polanski being arrested. What he was arrested for is absolutely relevant and the charge has been highly publicized. (Also pinging  to seek another opinion since they also edited the statement.) Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 02:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The circumstances of Polanski's trial is not relevant to Woody Allen's biography, nor is one particular piece of paper Allen happened to have signed. Misrepresenting the context of that piece of paper is not proper either, nor does reference to it belong in the dozens of biographies you added it to today. The addition of this misrepresented information to dozens of bios makes it clear to me that you have more interest in adding the information than you do in improving the bios you added it to. | Uncle Milty | talk | 03:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  My rephrasing of the sentence is an appropriate reflection of the cited source's content. But I agree with Uncle Milty that this sentence overall serves absolutely no purpose on this article, nor the literally 40 other articles you added the exact same content to yesterday. And I haven't even checked whether these were your only additions of this content—you may have added more earlier. I have neither the time or inclination to fix all of these myself, and genuinely don't know how to go about rectifying this. An ANI, or a batch edit request? I am literal when I say 40 other articles. , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,  and . Ugh... what a headache. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 03:29, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

text:  Many biographical articles have information on the person's political views, activist efforts, personal beliefs, controversies, etc. Unless you are saying you also don't think that kind of information should be in anyone's biography, I don't see how someone in the film industry publicly supporting a petition over the arrest of someone else in the film industry isn't relevant when it was highly publicized and generated a lot of controversy. I don't see my original phrasing as a misrepresentation. I added it to so many articles because I think it's relevant and thus why would I only add it to one? Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 03:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Does your addition address any of these or give any factual evidence regarding his views/beliefs/etc.? All I've seen is the addition of limited information regarding the petition in a misguided attempt to infer some sinister motivation amongst those who signed it. | Uncle Milty | talk | 04:18, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polanski petition 

message: I think we should remove the Imdb link to Woody Allen from this article until they stop listing Soon Yi as his daughter as well as his wife.
I and many other people in the Facebook group "I Believe Woody" have written to Imdb asking them to remove this but they have not.
I plan to remove it now. If admins object, please revert it, but this is really bizarre.--WickerGuy (talk) 02:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Imdb has fixed it.--WickerGuy (talk) 22:49, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imdb recently started listing Soon Yi as Woody Allen's daughter as well as wife 

message: It should be added in better detail on what Moses Farrow knows, and that there is more then one victim that points to Mia Farrow. 2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:8F (talk) 18:36, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mose's testimony 

message: It should be noted that Soon Yi is Mia Farrow and Andre Previn's adapted daughter, and has no relation to Woody Allen besides being his wife. 2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:8F (talk) 18:39, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soon Yi is Not Woody Allen's daughter. 

message: This edit introduced lengthy material about Moses Farrow's allegations against Mia Farrow.  For a very long time, we simply mentioned and linked to sources on those allegations, which strikes me as more appropriate as they are not allegations about Woody Allen.  I certainly see the relevance to a mention - they are part of the difficult history here.  But the length of this section now takes up nearly 10% of the entire article.
There is an additional issue that this is largely sourced to a blog, rather than a WP:RS - reliable sources appear to mainly have simply noted the allegations and not treated them as fact but as allegations.  As such it seems excessive for us to quote them at length.  This page is about Woody Allen, not about Mia Farrow.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Jimbo Wales I agree and have removed the bulk of the material. Ganesha811 (talk) 23:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concern about WP:UNDUE 

message: This page is in the category 'Dixieland clarinetists' but the page makes no mention of this. 92.0.35.8 (talk) 10:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the article, Allen and his band play "New Orleans jazz from the early 20th century", which is essentially synonymous with Dixieland. The article links to Dixieland, "a style of jazz based on the music that developed in New Orleans at the start of the 20th century". Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 13:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome, thank you very much! 92.0.35.8 (talk) 16:49, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dixieland category 

message: Allen says he was born, in fact, on November 30th. What about he is telling a joke? Chvsanchez (talk) 12:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth 

message: Woody’s birth date is incorrect… 173.70.92.8 (talk) 12:46, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  To my knowledge Woody was born on December 1st, not November 30th. I used to work for him, I just double-checked this with a co-worker and she confirmed Dec 1st. 

message: Note: Citation and Classification maintenance review
The B-class criteria #1 states; , and #4, 
This article fails the B-class criterion, reassess to C-class. It is in the categories:
*Articles with unsourced statements from June 2021
*Articles with unsourced statements from January 2022
*Articles with unsourced statements from February 2023
*Articles with unsourced quotes  --  Otr500 (talk)
===External links===
:There were ten entries in the "External links". Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four links. 
::The problem is that none is needed for article promotion. 
*ELpoints #3) states: 
*LINKFARM states: 
*ELMIN: . -- 
*ELCITE:   
*WP:ELBURDEN: .  
*Three sites I have run across on a multitude of articles AllMusic, Discogs, and IMDb (but there are others), prompted the following:
Note: Copied from Talk:Christina Aguilera#External links
:"It seems that there is an unofficial collaboration between Wikipedia, AllMusic, Discogs, and IMDb to put these sites on as many articles as they can possibly get away with. Gives flashbacks to Find a Grave and the well-intentioned project to list the site on every dearly departed with an article on Wikipedia. While a noble endeavor these "External links" are only supposed to be added when they are "kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article". The second paragraph of the External links lead states,  Many times these links are added just because it has become the "norm"". 
:"This subject has had so much written about her it could probably fill two large presidential libraries so it seems dubious these sites would have information not overly covered in reliable sources. Adding the sites without consideration of relevance (and article benefit) is just giving them prominence, even if there is a "nofollow" on search engines, Wikipedia is inadvertently, or maybe not, advertising for these companies on a large chunk of Wikipedia articles." One of our Wikipedia techies could probably give a total on how many articles these links adorn. 
:Links (not in Template form) from the article copied here for any discussion: 
* AllMovie
* IMDb 
* IBDB 
* iobdb
* TCMDb
* C-SPAN
* Guardian topic
* NYTtopic    
:Just because a link "may be used" is not a support or directive that these sites must adorn nearly every related article on Wikipedia. Sites that are added with no extra value is spam and cleanup efforts are backlogged to 2011. --  Otr500 (talk) 23:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Article issues and classification

message: :There were ten entries in the "External links". Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four links. 
::The problem is that none is needed for article promotion. 
*ELpoints #3) states: 
*LINKFARM states: 
*ELMIN: . -- 
*ELCITE:   
*WP:ELBURDEN: .  
*Three sites I have run across on a multitude of articles AllMusic, Discogs, and IMDb (but there are others), prompted the following:
Note: Copied from Talk:Christina Aguilera#External links
:"It seems that there is an unofficial collaboration between Wikipedia, AllMusic, Discogs, and IMDb to put these sites on as many articles as they can possibly get away with. Gives flashbacks to Find a Grave and the well-intentioned project to list the site on every dearly departed with an article on Wikipedia. While a noble endeavor these "External links" are only supposed to be added when they are "kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article". The second paragraph of the External links lead states,  Many times these links are added just because it has become the "norm"". 
:"This subject has had so much written about her it could probably fill two large presidential libraries so it seems dubious these sites would have information not overly covered in reliable sources. Adding the sites without consideration of relevance (and article benefit) is just giving them prominence, even if there is a "nofollow" on search engines, Wikipedia is inadvertently, or maybe not, advertising for these companies on a large chunk of Wikipedia articles." One of our Wikipedia techies could probably give a total on how many articles these links adorn. 
:Links (not in Template form) from the article copied here for any discussion: 
* AllMovie
* IMDb 
* IBDB 
* iobdb
* TCMDb
* C-SPAN
* Guardian topic
* NYTtopic    
:Just because a link "may be used" is not a support or directive that these sites must adorn nearly every related article on Wikipedia. Sites that are added with no extra value is spam and cleanup efforts are backlogged to 2011. --  Otr500 (talk) 23:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: Woody Allen's page states that he has nine BAFTA wins, but he actually has 10 (two for Best Screenplay, two for Best Film, two for Best Direction and four for Best Original Screenplay). I can't modify this as the page is locked/protected, so hopefully someone can edit the information. 2A00:23C6:DC00:BD01:9D0C:6EA2:3142:ECBC (talk) 04:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect number of BAFTA wins 

message: In the last paragraph of the lead section it is stated that: "In 1992, Farrow publicly accused Allen of sexually abusing their adopted daughter, the seven-year-old Dylan Farrow."
Considering that there are three people named Farrow mentioned in the paragraph and that there have been attempts to discredit Dylan Farrow by saying she was coached by her mother Mia Farrow, I think this ambiguity should be cleared up.
Someone with permission to edit should change the bold farrow to "Dylan Farrow" or "Farrow" or another phrase that will clear up confusion about who accused Allen. Callum Cuda (talk) 02:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguity regarding who accused Allen 

message: The article should mention that the 2021 documentary Allen v Farrow was stage-managed by Ronan Farrow, who had business dealings with HBO. Although the series had four parts, and ample time in which to give factual information from both sides, it does not. A picture of toddler Dylan sitting on Allen's knee is presented as sinister, while the doc passes over certain more troubling facts about Mia's mothering style. For example, she slept nude in Ronan's bed until he was eleven. Three of her adopted children had very disturbing premature deaths. Her son Moses, supported by other adopted siblings, has said and written that Farrow was abusive. This documentary was indeed a hatchet job. An honest exploration of real facts was the last thing on the directors' minds. Dick and Ziering have said it was standard journalistic practice to contact Allen and Soon-yi Pevin for their input only two weeks before the film was to air. It was not. It was staggeringly unacceptable and unprofessional. As far as the directors were concerned, the film was complete. They did not want its borderline defamatory content disturbed by input from Allen and Previn.
Younggoldchip (talk) 16:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, these are additions that could be made provided they were supported by citations to reliable sources. Got any of those to suggest? Rray (talk) 05:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

text: I'm compelled to point out that some of this information is already included in the page for the documentary itself. Rray (talk) 05:28, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inception and Content of HBO Documentary Allen v Farrow 

message: Someone vandalized the page replaced "Woody Allen" with "Heywood Allen" and for some reason no one noticed it, so I did this put again "Woody Allen" and i also need to know who did this. LeronJomes (talk) 00:29, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE: it wasn't a vandal sorry LeronJomes (talk) 00:33, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heywood Allen 

message: There seems to be consensus that the allegation that Allen abused Dylan Farrow should remain in the lead. That seems reasonable to me but surely, if the allegation is to be aired so prominently in the article then equal prominence should be given to the fact that the independent investigation into the allegation found it to be false. Yes the investigation is mentioned later - much later (and in passing) - but not in the lead. Many (most?) readers only bother with the lead, and may conclude "there's no smoke without fire". It seems only fair that they should immediately be informed that the only substantial investigation of the allegation concluded that, in this case, there very definitely was smoke without fire. I can't see any possible objection to including a line to that effect and, if there are no objections, propose to do so. Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 04:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yale/New Haven investigation 

message: Add "Don't Drink the Water(1994)" to Woody Allen's directed features list after the film "Bullets over Broadway". The film "Don't Drink the Water(1994)" was released on television. 42.104.157.212 (talk) 06:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2023 

message: I understand that in his 2020 autobiography, Allen recounts that he was actually born November 30 but his parents pushed the registration. But that's more of a funny anecdote than anything else. December 1 is still the date written on his documents and probably the date he has celebrated his birthday all his life. I'd say the article should use December 1 as the official birth date and November 30 in the note, to acknowledge the information. Kumagoro-42 (talk) 23:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: His daughter even posts Dec 1 birthday well wishes 149.75.188.162 (talk) 21:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthday 

message: I am wondering why these recordings are not included in his discography?
The Bunk Project (Music Masters Jazz) 1993
     This is a traditional jazz album, he is the clarinetist and is featred on every cut
Woody Allen On Comedy (Laugh) 2005
     This is an interview done circa 1970
Play It Again Sam (Paramount) 1972
     This is mostly dialogue from the film. 2600:8803:5E5A:F200:28BC:471D:5C93:B1FA (talk) 06:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recordings