Talk:Sunday Times Golden Globe Race

message: I will tidy this up when I get a chance. Could probably be better organised and formatted.--CharlieP 12:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Following discussion with Charlie, this has been done. — Johan the Ghost seance 14:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creation 

message: The references section is huge, and would look better in two columns.  However, I can't figure out a way to do this without screwing up the reference numbering.  Ideas?  — Johan the Ghost seance 14:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References section 

message: The article currently says that the Golden Globe was the first non-stop, single-handed, round-the-world yacht race.  Fine, but were there any prior round-the-world yacht races at all?  Or was the Golden Globe actually the first ever round-the-world yacht race of any kind?
* First Volvo Ocean Race (crewed, stopping): 1972
* First BOC Challenge (solo, stopping): 1982
* First Vendée Globe (solo, nonstop): 1989
* First Global Challenge (crewed, stopping): 1989
The great clipper races (and they weren't yachts, of course) were typically over one leg, eg. Sydney-London, and I wouldn't consider them round-the-world races as such; although Lightning made a record circumnavigation in 5 months, 9 days, which included 20 days spent in port, in 1855.  What else was there?  And if it was the first, how would we provide evidence of this  (ie. citing a source)? — Johan the Ghost seance 12:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First ever race? 

message: This article looks really good and it's great that it's got some photos and pictures. One thing it could really do with is some photos of the competitors and their boats. Although I'm not in London I will try to get a friend to take a photo of Suhaili.--CharlieP 20:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Charlie, that would be great!  The problem is, of course, getting copyright-free pics; but if you can do that, it would be fantastic.  If anyone's reading this from Cayman Brac, a pic of Teignmouth Electron would be cool!  ;-)  BTW, comments for the peer review are being taken at Wikipedia:Peer review/Sunday Times Golden Globe Race/archive1. — Johan the Ghost seance 20:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't go to Greenwich!  Suhaili is apparently now back in the water (yay!), and berthed at Falmouth.  If anyone can get pics of her sailing in the Round the Island race in June, that would be awesome.  — Johan the Ghost seance 13:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review 

message: I've put lengths in feet first, because that's how they were (and mostly still are) done.  (I think even the French used feet???)  Be careful not to cause confusion when referring to boat lengths in metres, because the old "metre" system of boat measurement has very little to do with length — a "12-metre" boat would usually be much longer than 12 metres. — Johan the Ghost seance 10:39, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on boat lengths 

message: I thought a timeline sidebar in some form might be cool, but it kind of clutters up the article, and doesn't seem to have much support -- so I've removed it.  It's archived at Talk:Sunday Times Golden Globe Race/Timeline sidebar. — Johan the Ghost seance 08:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline sidebar 

message: Could you add in the "Competitors" section the nationality of the competitors? CG 09:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea -- done.  I've also split the "Boat" field off. — Johan the Ghost seance 11:22, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I replaced the nationalities by flags. Hope it's better. CG 09:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality of competitors 

message: The recent FAC raised one big comment on this article, which is that it needs some significant diversification of the references.  I aim to tackle this as best as I can; all other contributions welcome.
The current main references are:
* A Voyage for Madmen: Nichols' well-researched overview of the race.
* A World of My Own: Knox-Johnston's book of his voyage.
* The Long Way: Moitessier's book of his voyage.
I have the following on order, and will integrate references from them:
* Trimaran Solo: Tetley's book of his voyage.  (Pretty dull stuff.)
* The Strange Last Voyage of Donald Crowhurst: book about Crowhurst's voyage, by Tomalin and Hall, two Sunday Times journalists who were closely connected with the race; contains a lot of background info about the race.
And other than diving into the newspaper archives (which is what Nichols and Tomalin and Hall have done), that's it for major references as far as I know.  If anyone has any info on more possible useful references, please post it here.  Note that most of the articles I've seen on the net add little or nothing over these books.  — Johan the Ghost seance 03:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tomalin and Hall were both working for the Sunday Times at the time that the Last Voyage of Donald Crowhurst was written (as you noted above), and had access to the documents relating to the organisation of the race and to Crowhurst's log books and other papers left on board the Teignmouth Electron. Other accounts of Crowhurst's voyage have tended to be based on this reconstruction. Orbitalforam (talk) 10:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  To do 

message: Ok with some of the qualifications here at least the first one (specifying the type of ship may not be a problem but):
From Nigel Tetley
:Nigel Tetley (died 2 February 1972) was the first person to circumnavigate the world solo in a trimaran.
From Bernard Moitessier
:In 1968, Moitessier participated in the Sunday Times Golden Globe Race, a race to become the first sailor to circumnavigate the earth alone and non-stop. 
From Robin Knox-Johnston
:Sir William Robert Pat "Robin" Knox-Johnston (born 17 March 1939) was the first man to perform a single-handed (i.e. solo) non-stop circumnavigation
Ok so who was it? I have not finished reading this article yet so maybe it is answered here but we do have at least two bio articles linked in the opening paragraph with conflicting claims, and one that is a qualified claime that shoudl be made mroe clear. Dalf | Talk 09:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They do not contradict. The first one, as you say, qualifies it with the type of ship. The second refers to the race rather than the sailor. The third refers to the sailor and is consistent with this article. --Cherry blossom tree 09:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The second one perhaps SHOULD refer to the reace but it does not.  It says ... well I bolded what it says there is no mention of the race in the claim.  Ah yes you are correct.  Stillw as a bit confusing and I think the top one should include mention of the others in diffrent ships beefore him or at least that there were some. Dalf | Talk 10:21, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: "This reader" is perhaps too easily confused. The section is talking about what Donald Crowhurst intended to do after the race.Orbitalforam (talk) 10:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal consistency error(s) in associated articles 

message: While Bith had no sailing experience, he did have remarkable experience at long distance rowing, so currently the table of competitors is a little misleading. Should an additional, bried note, of his transatlantic rowing be included? TheGrappler 09:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point -- done.  — Johan the Ghost seance 15:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chay Bith's rowing experience 

message: Congratulations on making this an FA!  I have to confess, I'd never heard of this race until its article popped up on the front page.  The story is absolutely fascinating; I kept thinking as I was reading what a neat movie this story would make.  Thanks for working so hard and sharing this with the world! --Dmleach 18:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article 

message: A big chunk of text has disappeared from the top of the article since 25 June (presumably on 1 July?) - diff.  Is this deliberate?  I liked the section on the genesis of the race, and it provided context for the rest of the article. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: @&#^#! Not deliberate. Vandal replaces section with image. vandalism "deleted". I've restored it. —Bunchofgrapes  (talk) 19:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great - I was not sure: it was edited by sensible editors afterwards and they didn't add it back, and it would make sense in a daughter article, but I couldn't see a link.  Thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lost background section

message: I've removed the External Links section, because there really are no external links -- there's no official web site or anything.  Further Reading is more appropriate for relevant material like Don Holm's book, and an External Links section is kind of a spam magnet.  Note that the link added by Oqm4 was to a movie script.... by oqm4.  Self-promotion here is discouraged.   — Johan the Ghost seance 23:30, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No more External Links 

message: I'm a bit confused over what is classed as the starting point. The article states that this was England, although despite this, it also states that Ridgeway left from Inishmore. By England, does the article mean the sweeping generalisation of our United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland? I think this article is genuienly brilliant, one of the most fascinating storied I have ever read, so I am just ironing out the kinks. --SteelersFanUK06 HereWeGo2010! 15:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting Point? 

message: I have amended the Aftermath section to include the facts surrounding the death of Nigel Tetley. Although the findings of the inquest have been publicly available ever since the tragedy in 1972, subsequent books and articles (including this one - and a FA at that!) have repeated the falsehood that Tetley committed suicide (whatever one's view of the circumstances, the coroner recorded an open verdict). Eakin's A Race Too Far (2008) has since drawn attention to the known facts (and also included a rare interview with Tetley's widow, Eve) and I have used this as the source. Plutonium27 (talk) 11:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aftermath: Nigel Tetley 

message: This article is one of the oldest featured article promotions and it has not been reviewed since 2006. Since promotion, it has been tagged for citation and weasel words. If anyone familiar with the topic is watching the page, please try to address the specifically-tagged phrases in the hope that a featured article review can be avoided. DrKiernan (talk) 11:25, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article review 

message: You should know about this and comment.  One of our editors has systematically depopulated it (perhaps from this article among many others), and thinks that is a good reason to delete it. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:21, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Contested deletion [[Category talk:Yachting races]]

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