Talk:Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church

message: I would have thought one of the very first things in this article would be a link to the current holder of this office. Instead, I can't seem to find who the current Coptic Pope is anywhere. LukeSurl 23:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who? 

message: This article has no reliable source. To a Wiki reader, an article with no valid sources is basically fiction. Please source this article with reliable sources. There must be some books in English that could be used concerning the Coptic Orthodox Church. Jason3777 (talk) 03:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is unsourced 

message: Isn't it the case that the Coptic Pope is recognized as the first among equals of the Oriental Orthodox Churches? Deusveritasest (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Among Equals 

message: This article is something of a mess. I'm considering adding a POV
tag or something as a warning. I will try to address some of the
problems I see, though I'm not an expert on the very complicated
theological and historical disputes which exist.
Since religious topics, especially, can cause editing problems,
I'm describing my recent changes in more detail.
1. The shortened "Pope of Alexandria" in the lead paragraph
isn't the actual title for this office, so I removed it.
2. The lead paragraph implied that this church is limited to the
boundaries of Egypt, but it has members elsewhere.
3. A link to the generic disambiguation page for a term is
not recommended from a more specific topic, as per the editing
guidelines. I removed that reference from the lead paragraph.
4. The reference to "expatriates in the Diaspora" when describing
the number of church members outside Egypt seemed non-encyclopedic
and non-neutral in tone, so I removed it.
5. The description of the current leader as the
"Patriarch of All Africa on the Apostolic Throne
of St Mark" in the lead paragraph poses difficulties.
As a matter of style, this description is already
listed as his official title in the next section
of the article, so it seems redundant here.
As a matter of neutrality and tone, the description
includes assertions of primacy and historical continuity
which are disputed with other Christian churches. I think
the head of the Greek (or Eastern) Orthodox church of Alexandria
would make similar claims.
I think removing it from this paragraph and just leaving the
description as the official title is preferable.
5. The first sentence in the "Role in the church" section
contained the same issue ("He is the successor...").
The historical continuity of this Church and the succession
of its bishops is a matter of dispute with other Christian
churches, so I tried to make it more neutral, imitating the
style in the similar article for the Roman Catholic pope.
6. The article incorrectly identifies Mark the Evangelist,
traditionally the first bishop of Alexandria, as an apostle.
He was a disciple, but not one of those twelve.
StephenMacmanus (talk) 06:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style cleanup and fact-checking: 18 August 2009 

message: The previous version of this article identified this church
as part of the Pentarchy, but it did not participate in this
system. As the "Pentarchy (Christianity)" article already makes
clear, this system of government deliberately excluded the
non-Chalcedonian churches like the Coptic Orthodox Church and
included their Chalcedonian counterparts. I added this information
in a new section, and removed the contradictory reference from the
existing "Role in the Church" section.
StephenMacmanus (talk) 01:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "History" section and reference to 'Pentarchy' 

message: I removed the listing as Dean of the Catechetical School, since
the links from this article to the biography indicate that the
current holder is the first to occupy this position since the
5th century. Unlike the other listed positions, it is not
automatically associated with the office.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenMacmanus (talk • contribs) 04:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes to "Official Posts" section

message: The Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople was in 381.  The Third Council at Ephesus was in 431.  The article says Ephesus was in 381.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.2.190 (talk) 05:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect dates or Councils

message: What does "I received this rule and ordinance" mean in the quote by the Roman Pope? I think it needs some context-it could be interpereted to mean he was ordained by the Patriarch of Alexandria. 24.191.87.42 (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: I received this rule and ordinance

message: "The Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria is the leader of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, which has about 16 million members worldwide, including about 18 million in Egypt. " 
Could someone clear up for me wtf that means? Mwheatley1990 (talk) 00:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: First sentence

message: Sorry for the accidental deletion of this page. This is not vandalism. I fixed right away. When I made an edit to the first paragraph, it accidentily deleted 90% of the page, but I fixed it. Again, I apologize.   
Jchrist11 (talk) 04:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Edit: November 21, 2012

message: The article now reads:
The early Christian Church recognized the special significance of several cities as leaders of the worldwide "catholic" (universal) Church. The Church of Alexandria is one of these original patriarchates, but the succession to the role of patriarch in Alexandria is still disputed after the separation which followed the Council of Chalcedon.
The later development of the Pentarchy also granted secular recognition to these religious leaders. Because of this split, the leadership of this church is not part of this system.
The last sentences is enigmatic at best. Because of what split? The Chalcedonic Council "separation"? The leadership of "this" church (presumably the Alexandrian Orthodox?) is not part of "this" system? What system? Secular recognition? Pentarchy?
Could be clarified, is all I'm saying.
IAmNitpicking (talk) 15:12, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pentarchy: language cannot be understood. 

message: this article is new to me today -- as a US Citizen I was surprised to see in the official diocese list "The Metropolitan of the Archdiocese of North America, which includes: The Suffragan Holy Diocese of Alexandria and all Virginia, United States" .. Is this true ?  I will read more now, but I am not familiar with the formal Orthodox Church at all .. 75.101.48.113 (talk) 16:21, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virginia USA ?? 

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