Talk:List of aircraft

message: This really isn't so much a "list of aircraft" as it is a "list of aircraft by manufacturer". One would think the "list of aircraft" would be a "master list" of all aircraft for which Wikipedia has articles (an index, if you will) which contains all the common/popular names so that someone can quickly find the article of interest — and would also capture the other aircraft-related (sub)lists. (Or should this just be left to the search function and redirects?) Askari Mark | Talk 16:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List name 

message: I've removed the FLC for this list because, as the poster above says, it is not much more than a "master list" in this state, and is not appropriate for FLC in its current format. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:35, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  FLC 

message: I will remove the refere3nces tag as it is superfluous. This list holds no data other than the name of the aircraft. Once all aircraft have articles (or re-directs) any references will be found at the articles. A list of sources has been added but in-line citations are not required.Petebutt (talk) 17:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References tag

message: I have recently learned that there is a supported method in Wikipedia to consolidate the discussion for a group of article pages that have been divided up by size, as the "List of Aircraft ..." articles have been because the list would be too large for a single article.  The method is basically to select one page as the central Talk page for the group of articles, and then redirect the other Talk pages to that central page.
There is an example of how this might be done at Help talk:Cite errors — it uses  and  to implement the consolidation.
I propose we consolidate the Talk for all dozen or so "List of Aircraft ..." Talk pages to this page, Talk:List of aircraft.  What do others think about this?  N2e (talk) 15:40, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea, but it may very well be that the Aviation WikiProject and/or its aircraft task force is already treated as such. I would mention this discussion at those talk pages before anything else.oknazevad (talk) 21:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea Oknazevad.  I just put up an invite to the discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation.  N2e (talk) 17:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it seems the idea got unanimous and strong support over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation, so I will try to start making the edits to consolidate the Talk pages in the next few days. N2e (talk) 15:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A number of new pages have since been added to the List of Aircraft/List of Glider articles and the new pages generally don't redirect to this page. What is the best way to merge these new talk pages into this centralized page? I added some manual redirects to Talk:List of aircraft (Ai–Am)diff and Talk:List of aircraft (An–Az)diff, but I think there is a better way to do this especially because most of these pages already have posts (though mostly from bots about fixing external links). Does anyone have any suggestions? - PaulT+/C 14:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centralizing Talk for the many "List of Aircraft ..." articles 

message: I have completed making the edits to implement the Talk page consolidation.  Per consensus, all of the following "List of aircraft ..." Talk pages REDIRECT here now for centralised discussion.  
* Talk:List of aircraft (0-A)
* Talk:List of aircraft (B)
* Talk:List of aircraft (C)
* Talk:List of aircraft (D)
* Talk:List of aircraft (E-F)
* Talk:List of aircraft (G)
* Talk:List of aircraft (H)
* Talk:List of aircraft (I)
* Talk:List of aircraft (J)
* Talk:List of aircraft (K)
* Talk:List of aircraft (L)
* Talk:List of aircraft (M)
* Talk:List of aircraft (N-O)
* Talk:List of aircraft (P-Q)
* Talk:List of aircraft (R)
* Talk:List of aircraft (S)
* Talk:List of aircraft (T-Z)
* Talk:List of aircraft 
All previous Talk page discussions are archived on the relevant (separated) Talk pages; just click through the REDIR to get to the original page, then click on History, then select the relevant historical date to see any individual Talk page as it existed at any previous point in time.  However, any editors who wish may of course copy relevant previous discussions onto this page, if you believe it would be useful to do so.  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 16:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consolidation of Talk Page discussion 

message: The SOFIA airborne observatory is a highly modified aircraft that may meet the criteria to be listed as a unique aircraft type in Wikipedia "List of aircraft."  I don't know.  I know the usual criteria is to "not generally include variants or subtypes of the aircraft themselves (although there is considerable difference among various manufacturers and designation systems as to what constitutes a new aircraft as opposed to a variant of an existing type."  However, I know that quite a number of redlinked aircraft have been added to these lists when only a single aircraft model was built.  After heavy modification of the base airframe, the SOFIA aircraft required a full airborne test flight program to ensure safe air performance in all parts of the aero-envelope, as well as a new FAA commercial certification so it can operate out of all commercial airfields. (Source: Dr. Sean Casey - Sunday, 12-12-10, interview [89:11] - The Space Show).  SOFIA is well-sourced, and a really unique aircraft today.  I'll leave it to others to determine if it is Wikipedia-worthy for this list article. N2e (talk) 15:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As it is a project in its own right there is no need for an aircraft entry as it is merely a variant of the 747 and should have an entry in that article or a list of 747 variants.188.65.183.51 (talk) 05:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: SOFIA

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (P-Q)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Gray":
From List of aircraft (M): Gray, Peter & Thetford, Owen. German Aircraft of the First World War. London, Putnam. (2nd Ed.) 1970. 
From List of aircraft (C): Gray, Peter & Thetford, Owen. German Aircraft of the First World War. London, Putnam. (2nd Ed.) 1970. 
From List of aircraft (L): Gray, Peter & Thetford, Owen. German Aircraft of the First World War. London, Putnam. (2nd Ed.) 1970. 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 22:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: All fixed, just typos. Take your pickPetebutt (talk) 13:43, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (P-Q)]] 

message: The TOC's listed at the top of the lists are missing the P-Q page i created the other day. It requires someone whom knows how to fix the template. I thought I had done on the home page but it didn't carry through to the rest.Petebutt (talk) 13:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay found it-donePetebutt (talk) 12:19, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  table of Contents 

message: I propose that the following guidelines for editting the List of Aircraft articles:
# Pipes - Pipes are to be avoided in the aircraft entries, (use re-directs), but encouraged in the Manufacturer title to give the short version of the manufacturer / constructor and the full name of the company / constructor.
#Variants - All variants can be listed, within reason, but it is expected that appropriate re-directs are set-up when an article exists that covers the entry. At a later date the list will be editted to rationalise entries in any case, so please don't hold back.
#Red-links - Red-links are acceptable as per WP:REDDEAL and do not need references or any other justification. Rubbish entries will get weeded out soon enough.
#Editors - Anybody with a Wikipedia account is open to edit this list.
#naming convention - The entry in the list does not have to be exactly the same as any corresponding article. The entry should include the manufacturer, manufacturers designation and / or name:thus Avro 698 Vulcan or Bristol Type 142A Blenheim.
#Re-Directs - re-directs are positively encouraged to ensure that searches have the maximum potential for finding relevant articles quickly.
#Format - the entry format should follow these examples where possible.
=== Gallaudet ===
(Gallaudet Aircraft Corp.)
* Gallaudet 1911 Monoplane
* Gallaudet 59-A
=== Germania ===
(Germania Flugzeug-Werke GmbH)
note: non english language is italicised where it is visible on the page.
That is about it.Does anybody else have anyides or discussion?Petebutt (talk) 08:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I object to #4. Anonymous editing is always allowed on Wikipedia, and that comes down from the foundation level. So there can be no requirement for a registered account. And we should not automatically revert anything just because it was from an IP editor. oknazevad (talk) 23:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, but I don'tsee why someone would want to remain anonymous in this instance. Do you want it removing or changing?Petebutt (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: People remain anonymous for all sorts of reasons; that's their business. But the key thing is that unless an ongoing issue leads to page semi-protection, which is an administrative action, anyone can edit the page anonymously. Even using the phrasing "with an account" is problematic, as it implies that onlyregustered users can edit it. (After all, anons don't have an account, or else they wouldn't be anons.) And theres really no need to specify that anyone can edit the lists anyway, as that's true for all of Wikipedia. So I'm just striking it. oknazevad (talk) 19:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ConcurredPetebutt (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Editting guidelines

message: (Germania Flugzeug-Werke GmbH)
note: non english language is italicised where it is visible on the page.
That is about it.Does anybody else have anyides or discussion?Petebutt (talk) 08:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I object to #4. Anonymous editing is always allowed on Wikipedia, and that comes down from the foundation level. So there can be no requirement for a registered account. And we should not automatically revert anything just because it was from an IP editor. oknazevad (talk) 23:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, but I don'tsee why someone would want to remain anonymous in this instance. Do you want it removing or changing?Petebutt (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: People remain anonymous for all sorts of reasons; that's their business. But the key thing is that unless an ongoing issue leads to page semi-protection, which is an administrative action, anyone can edit the page anonymously. Even using the phrasing "with an account" is problematic, as it implies that onlyregustered users can edit it. (After all, anons don't have an account, or else they wouldn't be anons.) And theres really no need to specify that anyone can edit the lists anyway, as that's true for all of Wikipedia. So I'm just striking it. oknazevad (talk) 19:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ConcurredPetebutt (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Germania Flugzeug-Werke GmbH|Germania]] 

message: For interest sake there are approx 20,000 entries at present. I estimate that around 3% of these are duplicated entries, (different manuf., variants etc.).Petebutt (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Aircraft entries

message: Somebody has been deleting entries willy-nilly. There are lots that should be there but are no longer. Whoever it is, desist!Petebutt (talk) 08:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: not me, but I've recently deleted a couple of (I thik) duplicates for Cody in 1909 & looking at 1910 there are five listings for what is one aircraft, and all redirect to the British Army Aerplane. Correct (single) entry should be 'Cody Michelin Cup biplane', I think.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLongTone (talk • contribs) 13:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: entry deletion

message: With regard to the Auster AOP airplanes, which have recently been debated on page 0-A, this is link with the relevant section of The Encyclopedia of Aircraft pg45
It suggests that AOP.3, AOP.6, AOP.7, AOP.8 (not build, as MilborneOne pointed out), and AOP.9  existed.
Here is more material on the AOP.7
and images
As for the AOP.5, it's not clear if there was one (beyond the drawing board)
G-AKSY has been variously cited as AOP.5 and mk.5
To be honest, I'm no expert on aircraft versioning so I won't make any further edits to the Auster AOP series
Duga3 (talk) 16:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, but please try to add rather than subtract. In this case More is More and Less is less. It is only a list after all, but hopefully a comprehensive one, so every nuance needs exploring.Petebutt (talk) 11:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auster AOP.3 - Auster AOP.9 

message: Are UAVs generally also listed in List of aircraft?  I have noticed some missing.  For example, in Category:UAVs and drones of the United States, the American Dynamics AD-150 seems to be missing.  I'm not sure but there may be a way of automating a search through various UAV lists and finding UAVs that are, currently, not included amongst the aircraft in these large lists.
I don't know what the policy or practice is; just thought I would note it so more focused List of aircraft editors might think on the matter.  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 02:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: At present UAV's have been listed, until such time as somebody starts up a List of UAV's page. Strictly speaking these lists of aircraft should be for manned aircraft.Petebutt (talk) 01:42, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Seek and ye shall find - List of unmanned aerial vehiclesPetebutt (talk) 01:55, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  UAVs also listed in ''List of aircraft''? 

message: Somebody has put a clean-up tag on the U-Z page complaining that company links refer to the wrong articles. Ican't find any that are incorrect. Can the editor that placed the tag be more specific!!Petebutt (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'veremoved the tag,but if the editor wishes to replace it, please give more info.Petebutt (talk) 13:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up tag 

message: New aircraft under development by Stratolaunch Systems, the largest ever with a  wingspan, longer than a football field, powered by 6 747 engines.  Was just announced today, with serious funding from Paul G. Allen, one of the co-founders of Microsoft, and a very credentialed design team of Scaled Composites designing and building the aircraft.  Probably worth a look by the aircraft-interested editors.  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 22:44, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: NOTE:  an aircraft article has been created by other editors at Stratolaunch Systems Carrier.  However, I've not seen any source that indicates that the manufacturer has given the aircraft that particular name.  So it would seem to this editor that, until the manufacturer actually names the aircraft, we ought to refer to it without the capital letters that would indicate a proper name.  So, maybe just call it the Stratolaunch carrier aircraft for now, since it is merely a descriptive name created by a Wikipedia editor as a placeholder.  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 20:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  World's largest aircraft — 385-foot wingspan 

message: There are clearly some experimental modles which are notable as part of the early development of heavier than air flight, such as Alphonse Penaud's planophore of 1871 (not in the list, but his rubber-driven helicopter is) & Tatin's machine, but where does the line get drawn, or should the list be confined to person-carriers?TheLongTone (talk) 23:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Models should not be included in the list, except where notable. A note to give more info with the entry would explain.Petebutt (talk) 23:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Really there are only a scant handful, & the notability guideline is clearly that they were important in the development of manned heavier than air flight: ie acheived a measure of success and were documented & therefore influential. There is an arguement that models don't belong in the list full stop: I was puzzled by the inclusion of Penaud's helicopter, significant only for the use of rubber as a propulsive force, and the omission of his much more important model aeroplane of the following year.TheLongTone (talk) 06:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable models 

message: I have removed this for the reasons given:
=== Camasco ===
(California Aero Mfg & Supply Co, 441 Golden Gate Ave, San Francisco CA.)
* Camasco 1911 biplane Note:the source indicates there is no record of actual planes being built other than advertisements.
* Camasco 1911 monoplane
Petebutt (talk) 19:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  unverifiable information 

message: (California Aero Mfg & Supply Co, 441 Golden Gate Ave, San Francisco CA.)
* Camasco 1911 biplane Note:the source indicates there is no record of actual planes being built other than advertisements.
* Camasco 1911 monoplane
Petebutt (talk) 19:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[California Aero Mfg & Supply Co|Camasco]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (D)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Gunston":
From List of aircraft (R): Gunston, Bill. The Osprey Encyclopaedia of Russian Aircraft 1875–1995”. London, Osprey. 1995. 
From List of aircraft (P): , Bill. The Osprey Encyclopaedia of Russian Aircraft 1875–1995”. London, Osprey. 1995. 
From List of aircraft (E): Gunston, Bill. The Osprey Encyclopaedia of Russian Aircraft 1875–1995”. London, Osprey. 1995. 
From List of aircraft (K): Gunston, Bill. The Osprey Encyclopaedia of Russian Aircraft 1875–1995”. London, Osprey. 1995. 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:58, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (D)]] 

message: I could find neither a list nor a category covering this (admittedly very small) category of aircraft. The Canberra, the Harrier and the Short 330 spring to mind; there were probably a few more.
Does one exist? If not, would a list or a category (or both) be suitable for this? 
There may also be room for the inverse list/category (much larger!). --TraceyR (talk) 09:48, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd go category if anything in the first place. Once identified, you could then graduate to a list with dates and numbers of aircraft plsu more context. Don't forget the Great War - Airco DH.9, Felixstowe flying boats would probably fit on the list, Spitfire, Mosquito, Beaufighter are WWII examples. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:36, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Graeme. The name is rather unwieldy - can anyone suggest something more concise? I suppose there could be scope for many similar categories - Aircraft from country X operated by country Y - so a sensible title from the start would save renaming later.--TraceyR (talk) 14:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of UK designed aircraft which have seen service with the US armed forces (and vice versa)? 

message: * EDO Rotor Rotorfly
* EDO Rotor Chick 2
--Petebutt (talk) 08:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[EDO Rotor]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (E)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Keimel":
From List of gliders: 
From List of human-powered aircraft: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 22:34, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (E)]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (B)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Keimel":
From List of aircraft (W): 
From List of gliders: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 06:10, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (B)]] 

message: Have you got the spelling right? Jodosma (talk) 19:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chieftan or Chieftain 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (P)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "JAWA88-89":
From List of aircraft (K): 
From List of aircraft (S): 
From List of aircraft (L): 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (P)]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (W)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "JAWA88-89":
From List of aircraft (K): 
From List of aircraft (S): 
From List of aircraft (L): 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (W)]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (0-A)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "JAWA88-89":
From Aviafiber Canard 2FL: 
From List of aircraft (K): 
From List of aircraft (S): 
From Akaflieg Braunschweig SB-13 Arcus: 
From List of aircraft (L): 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (0-A)]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (Z)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "JAWA88-89":
From List of aircraft (C): 
From List of aircraft (S): 
From List of aircraft (L): 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (Z)]] 

message: Whoever edited the military aircraft directory has in fact de-faced the page. There were several valid entries on historical aircraft used by air forces around the world. All gone. The original list should be restored. As it was listed by nation, and was by no means complete, new entries are appropriate. The manner in which this was edited is, in my opinion, not appropriate at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.163.230 (talk) 22:59, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defacement 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (K)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "JAWA1919":
From List of aircraft (0-A): 
From List of aircraft (F): 
From List of aircraft (N): 
From List of aircraft (P): 
From List of aircraft (C): 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (K)]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (G)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "JAWA1919":
From List of aircraft (0-A): 
From List of aircraft (F): 
From List of aircraft (N): 
From List of aircraft (P): 
From List of aircraft (C): 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (G)]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (L)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "JAWA1919":
From List of aircraft (0-A): 
From List of aircraft (F): 
From List of aircraft (N): 
From List of aircraft (P): 
From List of aircraft (C): 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (L)]] 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There seems to be a bunch of both on this list.
Let us consider Fairchild.
Alfred Gasser's great but few F 91 (design designations 942, XA-942A & XA-942B) for example. It is listed 5 times. As there were only 7 built this is at best overkill and actually is down right silly as the links show.
Fairchild 91 (A-942-A) Baby Clipper - which connects with the F 91 page.
Fairchild 91B (A-942-B) Jungle Clipper - which also connects to the F 91 page.
Fairchild LXF1 - which ALSO connects to the F 91 page
Fairchild LXF - You guessed it.
Fairchild Navy Experimental Type F Amphibious Transport - Yup.
There was the Fairchild design number X942 which was design XA-942-A (ATC 587) which contained the modifications for the Pratt & Whiney R-1690-S2EG, and XA-942-B (ATC 605) which contained the modifications for the Wright R-1820-F52. The two versions were usually referred to as designs A-942-A and A-942-B, dropping the X.
They were marketed as the F 91. Fundamentally there was far more difference between the first XA-942-A (c/n 9401) which had retractable wing floats, and the second A-942A (c/n 9402) and all other F 91s which had fixes floats, than between c/n 9402 and c/n 9403, the first A-942-B (c/n 9403 was converted from a "A" to a "B").
LXF was the Japanese Navy's designation for the F 91. There were no differences between the civilian F 91 and the Fairchild Navy Experimental Type F Amphibious Transport. LXF1 was the first one purchased by Japan (c/n 9404) and LXF2 was the second (c/n 9406).
Having five entries for what was a single design with little difference between the "A" and "B" makes no sense. Two of the seven airplanes were highly modified for special purposes, Gar Wood's c/n 9405 which had a luxury interior and extra fuel tankage for more range, and Richard Arthbold's American Museum of Natural History first New Guinea expedition version (c/n 9407) which also had a highly modified passenger cabins and fuel tankage. That gave them somewhat different performance than other F 91s, far different than that between the A-942A and A-942B.
To differentiate between the Japanese Navy LXF, and itself LXF1, and the Fairchild Navy Experimental Type F Amphibious Transport is even more absurd. Three entries for two airplanes! At least there is no separate entry for LXF2
The Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum Directory of Airplanes Their Designers and Manufacturers list the Fairchild F 91 with all variants in Parentheses , which is historically correct.
Playing the appropriations nomenclature game.
Then there is the listing for a "C-128 Flying Boxcar."  This was a temporary/alternate name for two very different C-119 versions. They were YC-119E with R-3350s (XC-128B); and YC-119D with a cargo pod and 3 wheeled landing gear (XC-182A). The latter eventually appeared as the much vaunted and spectacularly unsuccessful XC-120 correctly given an entirely different name for an entirely different airplane than the C-119..
"The Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum Directory of Airplanes Their Designers and Manufacturers" list the Fairchild YC-119D (C-128).
It also lists the Fairchild YC-119E (C-128B).
Neither was built under any designation.
The R-3350 did appear in the YC-119F. The detachable pod appeared in the very different XC-120 Pack Plane.
The C-128 never was and at best was an alternate name proposed for quite different, already named C-119 variants. Neither of which was ever built.
The C-128 was an airplane that never existed except as an attempt to fool Congress that it was a new design instead of a version of an old one. Does a null, a great big shadowless nothing, belong on this list?
p.s. The term "Baby Clipper" was also used for the much more numerous S-43. Eventually the use of "Baby Clipper" was dropped for the surviving Panair F 91, which because of it's Amazonian run became known as the "Jungle Clipper."
p.p.s Richard Arbolt's NR-777 was, contrary to some sources, including the Wikipedia, was NEVER the "Jungle Clipper." He named it "Kono" which means Duck.
Mark Lincoln (talk) 22:40, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: I notice that clicking on 0-A, or B brings forth a blank page. I guess an airplanes as worthy as the Avro 504 or the Boeing 707 don't matter.
Mark Lincoln (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missin in Action 

message: The Canadair section had duplicates and even triplicates. It also had a project that never flew, CL-15, a licensed never built Beech T-37 which was cancelled before any were completed.
I realize that some of the confusion comes from the Canadian armed forces practice of giving their own designations to aircraft. Thus the CL-44 and CC-106 Yukon are the same airplane. It becomes worse when the licensed production of US aircraft. Thus the Lockheed F-104 becomes the  CL-90, CAF CF-104 (originally CF-111). Later it was the CF-201.
I am a big fan of Canadian aircraft and loved to see some Panamanian North Stars climbing out of MIA back around 1970. A much more satisfying (and louder) sound than a DC-4 or 6. I can see how easily someone could vacuum up designations and without research end up with triplicates CL-4, C-4, Argonaut for an example. On a more timely note it was a Twin Otter that made a mid-winter rescue flight to the South Pole and back, not C-130.
I have used as my guide "The Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum Directory of Airplanes Their Designers and Manufacturers" which was a project by the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum Archives Division. The objective was to list any man carrying heavier than air aircraft excluding drones, spacecraft lighter than air sand such. ()
It is by far the most comprehensive list of aircraft, designers and manufacturers ever compiled.
Mark Lincoln (talk) 20:18, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: Trying to check the differences between other editors CANSA List against the Smithsonian list led to much additional research. Where the other editors research was well documented I cited their documentation. Much confusion exists over CANSA designations. The problem starts with Guseppe Gabardini and his various companies who's aircraft were generally called "Gabardini." Alas some civilianized aircraft also were called Gabardini as in I-AYAC	which was registered as a Gabardini Ansaldo SVA 5.
Yes I checked the Italian registration in pursuit of Gabardinis.m There are a bunch of Gabardini designs c. WW I that didn't make the NASM book!
When Gabardini died in 1936 his company became CANSA for a few years then was taken over by FIAT. Some of CANSA's production from then to the end of WW II were called CANSA while most were FIAT, sometimes FIAT-CANSA!
So the NASM lists the CANSA FC.12 and the FIAT FC.12 . . .I'm glad the pros were as confused as I.
I have made a decision to only include in the CANSA list those designs which seem developed by CANSA between 1936 and 1939. For example the Gabardini Lictor 90 which continued in production after CANSA was organized seems best to be classified a Gabardini as when first prodded as that is how the NASM classifies it.
There is no evidence of any CANSA FC.11 and The CANSA GT.24 was a war time transport glider which was never constructed (that addresses the "Citations needed" requests.
Mark Lincoln (talk) 23:13, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: Aerofiles http://aerofiles.com seems to have a lot of data on many aircraft. Some of it is even correct. I have found MANY big errors.
For example the Fairchild F 91:
"91 (A-942-A) Baby Clipper 1935 (ATC 587) = 10pChwMAm; 750hp P&W Hornet; span: 56'0" length: 46'8" load: 3200# v: 173/155/63 range: 730. Alfred Gassner. $41,300-60,000, depending on extent of customizing; POP: 3 [NC14743 (prototype with retractable wing floats, and Zap flaps), NC14744=PPPAP, NC15952=PPPAT]. Most had engine conversions throughout their careers.
91-B (A-942-B) Jungle Clipper 1936 (ATC 605) = 10pChwMAm; 760hp Wright Cyclone; span: 56'0" length: 46'8" load: 3200# v: 175/155/63 range: 610-720. POP: 1 specially equipped for NYC Museum of Natural History [NR777]. Some data show POP: 3 Model 91 and 4 Model 91-B, likely explaining subsequent motor changes." - Aerofiles.
Lets take it piece by piece.
"POP: 3" - Aerofiles
The actual number of F 91s produced and given US registrations were seven:
NC-14743, A-942-A, c/n 9401, registered to Pan Am, retained by Fairchild as demonstrator, was sold to Spanish Loyalists, captured and flown by  Nationalists W/O 1941.
NC-14744, A-942-A, c/n 9402, Panair PP-PAP (Pan Am) W/O 1943
NC-15952, A-842-A, c/n 9403, Panair PP-PAT(Pan Am) Scrapped 1945.
NC-16359, A-942-B, c/n 9404, to Japan as LXF1 W/O following landing accident
NC-16690, A-942-B, c/n 9405, Gar Wood Air Yacht, to RAF as HK832 W/?O 1943
NC-19130, A-942-B, c/n 9406, to Japan as LXF2
NR-777,      A-942-B, c/n 9407, Used for NYMNH New Guinea expedition named "Kono" W/O 1937
Also note the Aerofiles author lists FOUR registrations NC14743, 14744, 15952, and NR777 without questioning his assertion that only 3 were built.
Source http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_N47.html (US Registration list) Pgs. 3, 48, 51-52, 57. And: Noboru Jyoko, Fairchild F. 91 Flying-boat Type Amphibian, Journal of the American Aviation Historical Society, Spring 1984, pg 16 (Minor error in aircraft histories, misses LXH2 c/n 9402, which also went to the Japanese Navy)
"91-B (A-942-B) Jungle Clipper 1936 (ATC 605) = 10pChwMAm; 760hp Wright Cyclone; span: 56'0" length: 46'8" load: 3200# v: 175/155/63 range: 610-720. POP: 1 specially equipped for NYC Museum of Natural History [NR777]." - Areofiles
Wrong NR-777, c/n 9407 was called "Kono" not "Jungle Clipper." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Archbold#1936-37_expedition and http://ru-aviation.livejournal.com/2874187.html
The nickname "Jungle Clipper was given to NC15952 because of it's run which was up the Amazon. http://ru-aviation.livejournal.com/2867064.html
There was the appellation "Baby Clipper" which was briefly and unofficially attached to the F 91 but that nickname soon applied to the Sikorsky S-43 which indeed looked like a baby S-42.
"Most had engine conversions throughout their careers." - Aerofiles
Nope, only c/n 9403 was converted to the A-942-B version (Wright Cyclone) 
http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_N50.html
NC15952	Fairchild A-942-A > A-942-B	9403 NC15952 PP-PAT
" Some data show POP: 3 Model 91 and 4 Model 91-B, likely explaining subsequent motor changes." - Aerofiles.
The Aerofiles author assumed instead of finding out. Had it done something as basic as checking the registry it would have discovered 3 c/n 9401,9402  and  9403 were built as A-942-As and 9404, 9405, 9406, and 9407 were built as A-942-Bs. Only one was converted by an engine change.
Aerofiles entry for the F 91 was mostly twaddle and at best shows the author never bothered to check his source what ever that was.
To dig up the story of the F 91 takes a bit more than a single web hit. For starters:
Johnson, E.R., American Flying Boats and Amphibious Aircraft, McFarland & Company, Inc., Jefferson, North Carolina, 
Noboru Jyoko, Fairchild F. 91 Flying-boat Type Amphibian, Journal of the American Aviation Historical Society, Spring 1984, pg 16
http://www.logbookmag.com/databases/articles.asp?ID=91&CatID=47 (Registration error)
http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_N47.html  
    
http://www.rafcommands.com/serials/raf-serials-fa-fz-ha-hz/
http://www.buehlfield.info/aircraft-aviators/fairchild-model-91
http://airandspace.si.edu/research/arch/findaids/pdf/Fairchild_Finding_Aid.pdf
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/flyboat/f91.html
http://ru-aviation.livejournal.com/2867064.html
http://ru-aviation.livejournal.com/2874187.html
http://avianikitoss.livejournal.com/76185.html
http://avianikitoss.livejournal.com/72154.html
http://edsombra.com/des/?p=1896
http://generalaviationnews.com/2009/09/03/american-aircraft-in-the-spanish-civil-war/
https://tejales.wordpress.com/category/aviacion/page/2/
There are more, but you get the point. Unless the source is VERY reputable, one source is no source. Always check your sources.
Mark Lincoln (talk) 00:32, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (G)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "JAWA1928":
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (G)]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :List of aircraft (F)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "JAWA1928":
From Fokker F.10: 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (F)]] 

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Reference named "JAWA1928":
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of aircraft (E)]] 

message: posted the question to theaerodrome.com site and answered  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.100.28 (talk) 14:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: With no name, how are we supposed to find said question? Perhaps you need to post the actual question here if you ever expect an answer. As for theaerodrome.com, as it is a discussion board, it cannot be used as a reference here for whatever is found out. - NiD.29 (talk) 05:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  a question 

message: (from the main list)
* 1909 monoplane
* Coandă-Joachim-Caproni Glider
* Essener Flugmachine
* Hartung Monoplane No.3 (Albert Hartung)
* Louis-Étienne Roze L'Aviateur
* Rüb Schaufelrad Flugzeug
:there were lots of monoplanes in 1909  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.101.37 (talk) 02:55, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awaiting more information 

message: Is this a list of aircraft or a list of lists of aircraft? When I arrived here, I expected based on the title to see the former. When I saw "Further reading" at the top, I thought someone had mistakenly placed that section above the list, so I scrolled down, but found no list of aircraft. Then I thought somebody had deleted the list (also suggested by the introductory sentence being cut off unnaturally) and checked the history to see that this page has been in approximately its current state for a long time, with many edits. So it looks to me that this is supposed to be a list of lists of aircraft, as well as a list of references for those lists. If that's true, I think: 1. it should be titled as such, and 2. the template that links to the actual lists should not be on the right, where it's less likely to be noticed. ← PointyOintment ❬t & c❭  04:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
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message: The List is missing... Helius.olympian (talk) 14:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the list of sources for the list, which is accessible via the links on the right hand side. - NiD.29 (talk) 17:36, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
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