Talk:Sight-reading

message: ===Hyphenation===
*Hyphenate except as noted below.
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*"Sight-playing" and "sight-singing" are also hyphenated. "Sight transposition" is not. 
Qazin (talk) 05:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: *Hyphenate except as noted below.
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*The article title is incorrect and needs to be change.
*"Sight-playing" and "sight-singing" are also hyphenated. "Sight transposition" is not. 
Qazin (talk) 05:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hyphenation

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Qazin (talk) 22:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: ===Assessment and standards has suspected advertisement===
I suspect assessment and standards section - thelast paragraph is put there for concealed marketing purposes:
 There is just one commercial product it claims it is the standard, questionable at best. If reader searches  "The Standard Assessment of Sight Reading" they will be led to that particular commercial product.
The real question is that is there really a widely accepted assessment standard and what institutions endorse it and possibly use for assessing? Is there such information anywhere? If not, I suggest this paragraph to be removed.
===Fix article title (move page)===
Per guidelines, this article title needs to be changed to hyphenated, existing redirects need to be changed to the new title, and a new redirect needs to be created from old title to new title.
Qazin (talk) 06:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unresolved Proposals/Questions

message: Per guidelines, this article title needs to be changed to hyphenated, existing redirects need to be changed to the new title, and a new redirect needs to be created from old title to new title.
Qazin (talk) 06:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix article title (move page)

message: Sight reading is also something that actors do -- being presented with a script and having to perform it without rehearsal or preparation. Does anyone else think this should be mentioned somewhere within the article? --Sonance 06:48, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
:That's a very good point. I've added a mention in the first paragraph, but that's probably not enough, since the rest of the article is purely about music. If the term 'sight reading' is common in acting as well as music, then it needs a section to itself - but I'm not at all qualified to do that. Would anyone else like to have a go? Wombat 08:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Should we include other kinds of sight reading?

message: I am quite fascinated by this sentence: "This distinction is analogous to ordinary prose reading during the Middle Ages, when the ability to read silently was apparently considered remarkable." Does anyone have a source for this? I would love to learn more.
Oh here:
When [Ambrose] read, his eyes scanned the page and his heart sought out the meaning, but his voice was silent and his tongue was still. Anyone could approach him freely and guests were not commonly announced, so that often, when we came to visit him, we found him reading like this in silence, for he never read aloud. 
This quote, taken from St. Augustine’s Confessions, and referring to Ambrose, bishop of Milan circa 383 AD, offers the first instance in recorded Western literature of silent reading (Manguel 43). The fact that Augustine took such pains to point out the circumstance, emphasizing the fact that Ambrose "never read aloud", suggests that this practice was by no means considered an ordinary occurrence at the time. Indeed, there is ample evidence "to suggest that in medieval Europe reading was normally [sic] a public activity, performed out loud for the benefit of the listeners" (Rendall 35). Certainly, this is partly due to the fact that literacy rates throughout the Western world were so low as to be almost non-existent until the early 16th century. Thus, the only way for written information to be disseminated was through public readings. 
http://www.louisville.edu/a-s/english/dale/401/termpapers/foster.htm
:Thanks very much, 24.215.202.168.  I put the anecdote into the Ambrose article and also added here a link to a book chapter that covers this material more thoroughly.
:Btw you can sign and date your postings (thus making these talk pages a bit more coherent by concluding with four consecutive tildes:  ~~~~.  Yours truly, Opus33 16:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Silent reading

message: I am moving this passage to the talk page:
:Sight reading ability is a distinct area of study for musicians and will tend to atrophy if neglected. Practice improves the ability and a musician who has a sight-reading job will get better results by doing a lot of sight reading beforehand. The best way to improve sight reading is to do exactly that: read page after page of totally unfamiliar music.
Reason:  there's no source given, it just seems to be someone's opinion.  To qualify for inclusion in an encyclopedia, we'd need to have a reference to a controlled experimental study showing that practice makes a difference, or a poll of musicians asking them if their sight reading ability atrophies when they don't practice it.  A quick Google check didn't find any such sources on line, but perhaps a visit to a library might do it.  Opus33 16:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - I can only offer anecdotal evidence that it's the case (my sight-reading used to be so much better!), and that's not really enough. Wombat 08:27, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: An unsupported passage

message: I've added some references for existing content and I've added some additional referenced content and references. Most of the content is now referenced fairly well. I propose removing the Refimprove template currently at the top of the article. Any remaining holes in the sourcing can be annotated with a  template. Please comment. Qazin (talk) 20:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove Refimprove template

message: I propose moving the In Drama section to the existing Cold reading (theatrical) article thereby limiting the subject of this article to music. Here are my reasons:
*There is already more content on this specific practice in the Cold reading (theatrical) article. 
*cold-reading may be the more commonly used term for this practice as suggested by these google search results:
:*cold-reading drama -music 7060
:*sight-reading drama -music 3500
:*cold-reading acting -music 22500
:*sight-reading acting -music 3190
*The OED 2nd ed. definition of sight-reading is limited to the practice in music. (However, my AHD 3rd ed does not limit to music, but only gives music as an example.)
*Although the OED 2nd ed. does not have an entry for cold-reading, it does have an entry for cold as an adverb meaning w/o preparation, preliminary performance, and cites a theatrical example. Please comment. Qazin (talk) 04:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move "In Drama" section to Cold Reading (theatrical) article

message: This external link was added by an annoymous editor. This action violates our guidelines because: 1) it is embedded instead of in an External Links section; and 2) it was added without prior discussion here. Should this link be added? 
For classical training, sites like NMA online provide a large number of public domain scores.
Qazin (talk) 20:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NMA External Link

message: In checking references, I was unable to find any of the article content on the page the reference links to. I also followed the Zoo Music link on that page and couldn't find the referenced content. Has the site changed, or is there another deeper link that we should use instead? I've left a request for help on Bachcell's talk page. Qazin (talk) 04:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment and standards reference problem

message: The external link in reference Hardy 1998 used to go to a page with information about Dianne Hardy's masters thesis. Now it redirects to http://www.sc.edu/music/. Much of the Pedagogy section depends on this reference. Evan R. Murphy (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I was able to salvage the pages using the Wayback Machine and set up hosting for them on my server. Updating the reference's external link to point here and moving this issue to the resolved section. Evan R. Murphy (talk) 19:50, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Just noticed the Beauchamp and Frazier references having similar issues, so I addressed them in the same way. Evan R. Murphy (talk) 15:40, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Address broken link in Hardy 1998 reference and others

message: ===Auditory Sight Reading / Sight Transposition===
Thepunisher911, thank you for your contribution. I have made the following changes to integrate your knowledge into this article and other related content:
*Added section heading so it will appear in contents.
*Added link to main article on transposition which includes a section on sight transposition. You might consider also contributing to that article.
*Changed name of heading from "auditory sight reading" to "sight transposition," which is the standard term for this phenomenon and the name used in the article that discusses it in more detail. I googled "auditory sight reading" and couldn't find a single use of that term. If you are aware of uses of this term and can site them in the literature, please add the term back with a citation.
Thank you, Qazin (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Comments

message: Thepunisher911, thank you for your contribution. I have made the following changes to integrate your knowledge into this article and other related content:
*Added section heading so it will appear in contents.
*Added link to main article on transposition which includes a section on sight transposition. You might consider also contributing to that article.
*Changed name of heading from "auditory sight reading" to "sight transposition," which is the standard term for this phenomenon and the name used in the article that discusses it in more detail. I googled "auditory sight reading" and couldn't find a single use of that term. If you are aware of uses of this term and can site them in the literature, please add the term back with a citation.
Thank you, Qazin (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Auditory Sight Reading / Sight Transposition

message: Is anyone familiar with some (free?) educational resources that could be appended to this article, perhaps simply in the external links section? While this article does a great job of covering the topic it leaves a reader wanting for more information about just how such a skill is acquired. 63.215.129.140 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Backing up such a contention is simple:  Which Wikipedia policies can you cite to explicitly justify its inclusion?  I cite policies which explicitly and enumeratively exclude such a site.  I am not aware of policies which would include a random "free textbook" as encyclopedic or notable, but I haven't scoured every available policy and guideline.  aruffo (talk) 19:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

text: The "official links" policy does not apply to the proposed link.  The subject of this Wikipedia article ("Sight reading") is a concept, and is therefore neither an organization nor an individual person, and therefore by definition cannot have an "official link".  Examples of "official links" would be linking the Nintendo article to its official website, or The Doobie Brothers' article to their official website.  aruffo (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Educational Resources

message: it says "self taught guitar players in particular".......... why does it matter weather or not are they self taught?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.224.189 (talk) 07:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sight transposition 

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