Talk:Karl Plagge

message: Thanks for today’s additions. I had a little trouble working in the details about the extermination of Lithuania’s Jews, though, because it seemed to be a veer off topic—this article is about Plagge, so focusing too much on peripheral details, however important from other perspectives, is slightly confusing. I eventually settled on breaking that material off into a second paragraph, since it does supply context for the body text.
Schwartzberg: Plagge's significance (historically) is vis-a-vis the extermination of jews in Vilnius.
There is one parenthetic whose significance I don’t understand, and I’ve marked it with the “vague” tag. If you could elucidate what you intend to convey with it, I will try to work that content into the text in an unintrusive manner.
Schwartzberg: will do latter also in reference to  your comments below.
The above aside, there is still the issue of attribution. Could you please provide page—line sources for the newly added material? That would greatly enhance the credibility of the article. Thanks, and best regards, Jim_Lockhart 02:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 24 additions 

message: I have not been able to confirm the cause of Karl Plagge's death. In my correspondance with Hans Madsen (Plagge's stepson) he refers to Plagge complaining of headaches in his diary during the final year of his life:
"Anke has kept her and Karl’s notebooks from 1944 on and most of their correspondence. In Karl’s I see very often remarks concerning “headache” and Anke told me that a lot of tablets were found in his room at the Hessenwerke after his death. Karl died in his bed- Anke tried to cool his front with a wet washrag and he whispered “Anke, Lass!” and he was gone."
I had interpreted this to mean that perhaps he had a brain tumor, but that is quite speculative. Unless one can find a death certificate, I do not know of any good source for this information.
Best Regards,
Michaeldg (talk) 21:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. As long as there is no definite proof as to the cause of death, better keep it neutral. Cheers. Ekki01 (talk) 08:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karl Plagge-Cause of Death 

message: While it is true that Karl Plagge served in both the First and Second World Wars under the German flag, he was in fact a pacifist and profoundly troubled by the militaristic actions of his nation from 1939-45. He was horrified when he realized in 1938 that Hitler intended to start a second, expansionistic world war and certainly did not volunteer for service in the Wehrmacht. He was against the war, served unwillingly and did what he could to undermine the criminal enterprises that his nation had undertaken. He would be horrified to be portrayed as a proud military veteran of the Nazi regime (I am referring specifically to the section of the box that states "allegiance" and shows the swastika flag and is labeled "Nazi Germany". Thus, I have removed the military service box, which does tend to portray him in such a light. 
Here are some quotes from Plagge's testimony at his denazification trial in 1947 which I believe supports my view:
"I did not volunteer for this war and did not want to prolong the conflict by spurring my labor to produce the needed resources with even greater efficiency...I think the reason for the closing of the motor vehicle repair park had to do with the fact that my regiment commander accused me of being too soft in the treatment of my workers."
"The war and the sad development of the national-socialist system destroyed an ideal in myself and even before the end of this terrible war I was deeply embittered towards all the people who deceived and tricked me, those who were responsible for the whole misery and hardship of the war. That was the reason why, in 1945, I tried to prevent all bloodshed and destruction and led my whole division into American captivity."
: I am baffled as to your reasons for removing his military service box.  He either was or wasn't a member of the German military in WW1 and WW2. (He was.) Whether he "liked" it our not, is not relevant or material. --Petzl (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Military Service box 

message: In the opening of this article, Karl Plagge's birthdate is listed as "orange 21, 1918."
(Can someone PUH-LEEZE explain to me what does lower case "orange" mean in regards to a birth-date?)
In the Wikipedia article on "July 10" Plagge's birdate is listed as July 10, 1897.
Also, the article makes reference to his being a World War One veteran; this date of birth would make him less than a month old at the time of the Armistice on November 11th.
Since the article on him claims him to be a WWI vet, and the picture of him in a uniform of The Third Reich appears to be that of a middle-aged man and not someone in his 20s, I would therefore assume, coupled with the lower case "orange" for the listed birth-month, that the birth-date on the Wikipedia "July 10" page would be the correct one.
That said, I've found his birth YEAR but not the date, on a page at "Holocaust Survivors and Remembrance Network."
http://isurvived.org/Rightheous_Folder/Plagge_Karl_MajGerman.html.
I had also found his exact birth-date on another page, however that was merely a re-hash of this article, or vice-versa so I felt the need to go elsewhere.
Also, I need the help of other "Wikipedians" in that I do need your help in learning how to contact other members; I'm but a middle-aged person and regarding so much of this "digital stuff" I need your help! Satchmo Sings (talk) 02:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You did the right thing. People usually don't have their birthdays change so it seemed like an unsourced revision.  Looking into the history more, the last edit before yours was anonymous and it was inaccurate and that user has been warned.  Thank you and sorry for the hassle. - Stillwaterising (talk) 03:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karl Plagge's Birthdate 

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