Talk:John Cena/Archive 5

message: I went and failed this article outright. It's heavily referenced, whih is great. However, there needs to be a 2-3 paragraph lead for an article this size. Even a 1 paragraph lead would be okay, but not a 2-sentence one. Plus, most of the paragraphs are one-two sentence ones, making it flow rather poorly. The 2004-2005 needs to be fixed up especially. Lastly, most of the outside of wrestling section is basically one sentence sections everywhere. Just have a good article writer fix up everything there and you can try again.--Wizardman 21:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA

message: Can I put a picture of John Cena that I took at Backlash? Clen_17 9:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you'd be releasing it per GPL. Does it add to the article? Right now it's already coming close to being an image gallery.«»bd(talk stalk) 01:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Backlash question

message: I don't know why people keep adding these matches, but they're simply not notable. Someone has claimed that among them are his first clean losses in three years, which would be notable, but needs to be (reliably) sourced, and even then the Backlash match wouldn't be worth noting. Unless the years of no losses can be verified, please don't add it back.«»bd(talk stalk) 01:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Zerorules677 17:15, 08 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backlash & RAW matches 

message: I was going to add his signiture sayings like.
1.You can't see me
2.Want some come get some.
and so on but no its a protected article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tacodude21 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quotes, properly sourced of course, would belong on a Wikiquote article, not here.«»bd(talk stalk) 21:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cena Signature Sayings 

message: Shouldn't there be an article created of the DVD or mentioned in the article? Zenlax 10:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, you don't get to "end discussions". The DVD is barely non notable itself, there's really no reason for it to have it's own article. There's precedent to merge it here.«»bd(talk stalk) 23:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word Life DVD 

message: I suggest removing the Word Life redirect at the top of the page. It is completely pointless as this article is NOT about Word Life but is about John Cena. Everytime I remove it, it gets placed back so I feel we should discuss reasons to keep or remove it. I am in favour of removing it for reasons already stated. - Deep Shadow 00:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What has that got to do with it? The two words "Word Life", when placed in to the search box, turn up this article. That is also very likely something someone would put in when looking for Word...Life. Hence, a redirect. «»bd(talk stalk) 00:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, but why does does the search go directly to Cena's page and not the album? If that problem can be fixed then we won't need the redirect anymore. - Deep Shadow 00:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because the phrase is more closely linked to Cena. The redirect hurts nothing.«»bd(talk stalk) 13:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  To me it's just clutter and I think that article should just be deleted. Govvy 10:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's ridiculous. The article for the CD isn't getting deleted because it causes a DAB on another page.«»bd(talk stalk) 16:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word Life Redirect 

message: I went ahead and created a new archive since this talk page was cluttered with a lot of dead discussion and all the headers made it rather long.«»bd(talk stalk) 21:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 4 

message: I think it comes of a tad small when it resizes for the infobox, so how about cropping it to something like this, doesn't need resizing? «»bd(talk stalk) 18:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That one looks decent, but does anyone want to use this one? Stormin' Foreman 18:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That one is from a screenshot of WWE television, and therefore a violation of copyright and Wikipedia's fair use policies for images, so we cannot use it to depict a living person. Bmg916SpeakSign 18:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies Stormin' Foreman 19:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to apologize, I'm sorry if I came off as any sort of rude. I just wanted to explain why we couldn't use it, again I'm sorry if you felt I was condescending in any form or fashion. Bmg916SpeakSign 15:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can crop it!!!! Just give me some a few hours!!! BATMANrules677 12:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the picture work now? BATMANrules677 00:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The new image 

message: I find this diff a bit troubling.  I made a good faith edit that sought to improve the article.  I reduced verbiage: "received" says the same thing as "found himself confronted with" in fewer words and with less POV.  I removed parenthetical information and integrated it in the article, which improved the prose.  "Fans in the stands" is basically redundant, since fans who aren't in the stands won't be noted for their signs or chantss, so removing that phrase reduces verbiage.  Mentioning prior mixed reactions could be relevant, so I have no objection to including it, but the use of quotes strikes me as POV, as it suggests the reaction is not actually mixed.  The commas in "he lost the match, and his title, after" are not good writing.  They make the "and his title" phrase into a parenthetical, which basically encourages readers to either skip it, makes the prose herky-jerky, or both.  I removed the detail about Heyman counting the pin because I don't think it's necessary to an article on Cena.  That said, it's not a big deal, so I would not object to including it.  However, too much detail in match recaps is one of the reasons that a lot of articles on wrestlers become 100kb cleanup jobs.  I'm going to restore my prose and leave in the details that I deleted.  Croctotheface 06:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't call it a war. You're right, I reverted it when I shouldn't have so I could get part of it back.«»bd(talk stalk) 11:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor edit war over phrasing 

message: Things it needs, but I can't find.
*A mention of (with a cite) the first instances of the "mixed reactions" in arenas before One Night Stand.
*The WON awards need a cite or to be removed. I'm leaning towards removal based on the rumor mongering WON engages in.
*Half of the "personal life" section can probably be moved in to an "early life" section (where he grew up, colleges attended, football career) that goes before career, and the other half into the lead (left handed, brothers) and the rest (cartoons, video games) outright deleted as non notable.
*Cites for his appearances on random TV shows would also be nice.
A lot of people have done a lot of work on this thing, it would be nice to get it officially named a good article. If you can find some (reliable) places with information on this stuff please add it.«»bd(talk stalk) 22:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but what the article needs is the earliest possible review that specifically mentions the reactions.«»bd(talk stalk) 15:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Almost ready to be renominated as "Good"

message: I just want to be sure: The FU was, at some point, a Death Valley Driver rather than a Fireman's Carry slam, right? Ma-Mutt 00:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cite?«»bd(talk stalk) 17:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finishing move 

message: Can someone allow me to change his weight and site a reference for it, he ways 258 pounds now
Wow, that's big!!! Zenlax 03:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Please don't change the height or weight. These are the measures as officially stated and they should not be changed.«»bd(talk stalk) 00:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: See above.«»bd(talk stalk) 17:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weight 

message: It says in the article 
"At SummerSlam Edge defeated Cena in Cena's hometown of West Newbury, Massachusetts, pinning him after hitting him with a pair of brass knuckles while the referee was distracted."
Actually Summerslam 06 took place in Boston, Massachusetts not West Newbury. I know the JR, Lawler, and Edge said it was in Cena's hometown. But the article still should be edited—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.170.110 (talk • contribs) 
:fixed«»bd(talk stalk) 16:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summerslam 

message: I don't think this article is ready to be a good article nominee. The references still need a lot of work (fitting the citation templates) and some other minor fixes. I'll try and work on it in the next couple of days before it gets reviewed. Nikki311 03:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it matter that Online World of Wrestling is the only source of RAW and SmackDown! results in the article? - Deep Shadow 05:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why it would. Using multiple places would get the exact same results since it's the exact same show.«»bd(talk stalk) 14:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article nominee 

message: Why was the 5-6 Moves of Doom and Fan Backlash sections taken out of the article?
I did not feel like reading 5 pages to find a simple answer to this question. Those two subjects are very important to the aricle and are of high debate within WWE and in various sites that report wrestling. If Google dot fucking com makes note of the 5 Moves of Doom and Fan Backlash then Wikipedia should be encyclopedic enough to report on this.
Also the article is way to pro Cena. The article mentions that Cena beat the founders of DX at back to back WrestleMania's but doesn't site the crowd's response to him doing so.Also, it leaves out his feud with Triple H. How the fuck do you leave out a WrestleFuckingMania World Championship Title defense?
In the end, there is a lot that needs to be done to this page.
:The reason the 5-6 moves of doom aren't noted is because it is not notable! It is something that has been created by wrestling fans. What fans believe is not encyclopedic.
:A section dedicated to fan reaction/backlash is pointless. There is little to include in said section. Plus, it is already included in the body of the article.
:The article doesn't include his title defense against Triple H because it doesn't add to the article.
:There is a lot of work needed to be done to the page but not by adding fan reaction, speculation, opinions, and week by week reports. Those are actually counterproductive.
:Also, sign your comments using ~~~~. - Deep Shadow 11:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The FMOD are nothing but unsourced fan speculation, and the Fan Backlash was just a slander campaign in my opinion. It got watered down and it's still in the article if you bothered to read it. Plus, please act civil, and don't swear unnecessarily in every sentence. If you were dead serious with all the F-bombs, please calm down. Blacklist 07:26, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parts Taken Out 

message: in the championships and accomplishments section, it says for the PWI that John Cena was wrestler of the year for 2006, but i clicked on the link to PWI, and it said Edge was the wrestler of the year. Which is the mistake?
No its not Edge was wrestler of the year for 2006
The page must have been vandalized. Vermon CaTaffy 8
:The PWI page was vandalized, as is easily verifiable by the citations. John Cena was wrestler of the year in 2004 and 5, Edge has never been wrestler of the year. It has been fixed.«»bd(talk stalk) 15:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PWI problem?

message: Does anyone know if anymore film are coming out with John Cena in them? I heard rumors earlier that there were. Obi-WanKenobi-2005 07:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is another film that will have Cena star in. The film is currently Untitled, and the plot is not known to the public. Blacklist 08:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I can't wait. Obi-WanKenobi-2005 23:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Cena Films

message: Can Someone Please Notice He's 31 Now NOt 30—Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.113.20.81 (talk • contribs) 
:He was born in 1977 (per this cite), which would make him 30. Also, the age is calculated by an automatic template.«»bd(talk stalk) 18:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: His age