Talk:Delmart Vreeland

message: What is the source of this information? Many articles on Vreeland seem to suggest a very different picture... gidonb 10:08, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I agree with you that it's slanted towards not telling the whole truth, I simply copy/pasted this from the 9/11 Conspiracies wikipedia article Sherurcij 15:57, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. I hope that page carries a POV warning as well, then. gidonb 11:29, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The Delmart Vreeland story has been thoroughly debunked for a long time now. It is disappointing to read articles like this at this point.
Vreeland claimed in court that he designed the original Star Wars system in 1986. When asked by a judge how he accomplished that without having graduated high school, Vreeland said that he liked to read a lot. 
Vreeland's navy records show that he didn't make it through basic training. He was kicked out of the navy for using false identification when he signed up. He used his brother's Social Security number. The US Navy did not submit records 1200 pages long at Vreeland's extradition hearing. His navy record was 56 pages long. Vreeland confirmed this himself in an interview.
:In this radio interview Vreeland actually says the exact opposite.Schwarzenschafe 09:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In this radio interview Vreeland says it wasn't a commercial flight, it was a private charter. Maybe I missed your point.Schwarzenschafe 09:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Of course, from jail he tricked the US Pentagon into listing him as a lieutenant and giving him an office and a phone number. That makes much more sense.Schwarzenschafe 09:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Hello Ron, since the article is biased I have put a warning on top. The editor who placed the text agreed that the text is biased. He only moved this text from another article that was getting to wordy. Please feel free to edit the article according to the facts and the Wikipedia editing standards. Let me know if you need any help. You are welcome to remove the warning when you are done. Oh yes, perhaps you can tell some more about whether he was convicted in this latest fraud case and about his earlier convictions. Best regards, gidonb 22:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absurd 

message: anyone want to explain?
:If you take just a portion of his story as fact then the massive attempt to discredit him in court and the media makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Seems to me no one cares enough to do anything but cut/paste an article. Schwarzenschafe 09:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  only citations debunk yet article has a truthiness feel 

message: The sources are ridiculously lacking, and the conspiracy theorist slant is unbecoming for Wikipedia. I've tagged the article as "totally disputed". Reinistalk 08:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: I removed the claim as there seems to be no RS available (Rocky Mountain News is defunct). Please find a linkable source for such a conviction and sentence. I'm not saying it did not happen but a real RS is needed here. Itabletboy (talk) 20:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a linkable source:  75.76.213.106 (talk) 06:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sex Convictions 

message: This,below, was inserted by Pbmcyh and then removed by 24.197.176.99 from the article with a sarcastic,I think, edit summary. It does seem appropriate for this discussion page in case someone wishes to look into the alleged inaccuracies. Itabletboy (talk) 20:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transfer from Article 

message: I've removed the dubious conspiracy-oriented material cited from these sources per our reliable sources policy:
*fromthewilderness.com
*democraticunderground.com
*www3.sympatico.ca/ron666
*www.guerrillanews.com
The only marginally reliable source is "ClickonDetroit.com - Detroit News", from which I was able to find non-sensational coverage to build the article stub from. - LuckyLouie (talk) 20:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article cleanup

message: These are facts. The sanitization of the article has been so extreme, it indicates nothing of why there would even be an article about him. Fact is he called a Pentagon voice mail system from court in Canada for everyone to hear he was a Lieutenant and had a phone number and/or office. The fear of any article not conforming to the dominating narrative and that many of the original sites, which were in the Internet's just-out-of-infancy phase meaning of course many old sites do not exist anymore and likely no news about Vreeland's story will ever be made again. This makes this article a strange stub lost in the memory hole, on purpose.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.48.80.165 (talk) 23:06, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  All relevant info removed re:imprisonment in Canada before 9/11 and what happened in his trial there has been removed. 

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