Talk:List of Blizzard Entertainment games

message: I think that original release dates need to be in separate column. It will be much easier to find information you need. Current table is very hard to read fast. 77.243.29.247 (talk) 14:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am not a fan of current list of video games 

message: *1997 - Diablo: Hellfire
*1998 - StarCraft: Insurrection
Neither of them were designed or released by Blizzard Entertainment. They are only authorized. --Darth Narutorious 17:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ok... removed... thanks for the info... - Adolphus79 18:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Nope, quote: "Pax Imperia II was originally announced as a title to be published by Blizzard. Blizzard eventually dropped Pax Imperia II, though, when it decided it might be in conflict with their other space strategy project, the now-legendary StarCraft. THQ eventually contracted with Heliotrope and released the game in 1997 as Pax Imperia: Eminent Domain." --Voidvector (talk) 21:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games that are not produced by Blizzard Entertainment 

message: I believe it might be a good idea to either separate the list into two lists (Games developed as Silicon & Synapse and Games developed as Blizzard Entertainment for example), or to add a better visual indicator than the notes (say a merged row on the table at the beginning that says "As Silicon & Synapse" and a merged row above Blackthorne that says "As Blizzard Entertainment" or something of the sort). SharkyIzrod (talk) 10:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, lets try splitting it into two tables. --PresN 12:06, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separating/better indicating games developed as Silicon & Synapse and as Blizzard 

message: I believe including expansions in the list of releases would be the correct way to proceed. They are major releases as defined by Blizzard themselves, and more importantly, with standalone expansion releases and remasters the lines get blurred, so I'd say the safer and more useful option is to include all of them. This wouldn't include Hearthstone expansions, however, but expansions which constitute large scale releases, separate and detailed Wikipedia pages, and are listed by Blizzard separately on their list of games page here. 
Anyone who disagrees please bring up your reasoning here. Otherwise I'll get to adding all the major releases soon. SharkyIzrod (talk) 08:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if we're going to classify expansions as if they were "major releases" on par with full games, then we need an objective measure of doing so. I don't think inclusion on that page counts- it's missing all games before StarCraft, and the WarCraft 3, Diablo 2, and StarCraft expansions (and Frozen Throne / Brood War were definitely major expansions). It's basically a listing of "of the games we currently market, here are the stand-alone expansions". And usually for these per-company lists, stand-alone expansions get listed with their parent game, because the line is blurry. --PresN 15:20, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Their older games are listed on the classic games page, by the way. As for objective measure, I don't think that's possible in a marketing-driven system of classification as is the case with game releases. But I do believe that the closest we are going to get is that Blizzard page. It accurately depicts only large releases (i.e. a Heroes of the Storm or Hearthstone "expansion" is incomparable in size to Legacy of the Void, Reaper of Souls, Legion and so on. The list also includes games not on the market anymore, such as prior WoW expansions that are now part of the base game for World of Warcraft. Notably, that list doesn't separately include remasters (i.e. StarCraft: Remastered, we'll see about Warcraft III: Reforged), but I would argue that their inclusion on this list is also reasonable. The goal of this list isn't necessarily to serve as a perfectly defined formal product list, but to answer people's question of "What are Blizzard's releases?" What do they announce release dates for and announce at BlizzCon, what gets a retail release, what gets its own box, what does a whole team work on and so on. And of course, this does blur the line between a Hearthstone expansion and a larger expansion like say a WoW expansion. But remember, Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. General understanding and press coverage, as well as notably in the context of Wikipedia, presence of a developed Wikipedia page al suggest that Hearthstone expansions are not on the same level as full-fledged, $40-$50 expansion pack. The Wikipedia page requirement would still include things such as Diablo III: Rise of the Necromancer or StarCraft II: Nova Covert Ops, but combined with press coverage, regularity of releases (three expansions per year for Hearthstone), and size of release (i.e. amount of content included, comparing NCO's 9 missions to a regular StarCraft II release of 25-30, or RotN's single class to Diablo III's RoS and its class, act, new systems, 10 extra levels, new game mode, etc.), should be enough to separate DLC packs from expansion packs. SharkyIzrod (talk) 09:06, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so, you're saying that all stand-along expansions should get their own row? (1 for D3, 2 for SC2, 7 for WoW, etc.) Going back how far? All the way back to WarCraft 2? Or starting at StarCraft? I'm not opposed, it's just a big expansion, so I want to get the "rules" nailed down before we start. --PresN 14:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not being specific since this list is obviously mostly your work, rather I am saying I believe we should include all expansions in some way (yes, starting with WarCraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal). I'm going off of how the main Blizzard Entertainment page used to function with a list including games and expansions but not repackaging (i.e. Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition wasn't listed separately from D3 and RoS). On that page, they were part of the same list as full game releases, but I'm not particularly opposed to them being separate. However I believe being on the same list is easier because it doesn't make us ask and answer more difficult questions, like "Does StarCraft II: Legacy of the Void, an expandalone (expansion that doesn't require the base game) go in this row or the other one?" or "Is a remaster an expansion or a full game?" SharkyIzrod (talk) 16:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of Expansions