Talk:Charan

message: I have removed the following text from the article and added a cleanup request. As stated below, this article needs real work to become a source of coherent information on the subject. Text removed: "posted by rahul gumansinh gadhvi <kuvava>". NoelyNoel (talk) 21:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Author name removal

message: I've requested expert attention to this article because, in copy-editing it, I encountered a number of things that seemed to make no sense (an assertion that Muslims worship someone named Naradji, for instance) as well as a large number of sentences and paragraphs that badly need to be explained to those unfamiliar with the context.  There are also a lot of things not referenced which may or may not be true; I've tagged the most unexpected claims with s, but I think the entire article would benefit from more depth and references. Akatari (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've come across similar things when I tried to look over. It was very hard to understand what the original author wanted to get across. Dreambeaver (talk) 21:45, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Expert request

message: Someone with anonymous edits added following text about Shankardanji Detha into the article. I have removed it from article and pasted it below so someone can expand it and made encyclopedic. 
:Limbdi State Poet Kaviraaj) Shri Shankardanji Detha has compiled & published , Kishan Bavani,Shamala Smaran mala ( duhas- chand  on god krishna), Prem PukaR,  Hariras ,SUKAYA SANJIVANI - WROTE BY DURSAJI AADHA AND Published by Kaviraaj Shankardanji Detha, Pandav Yashendu Chandrika, Deviyan ( song of mother's worshipin Hindi & Gujarati verses), , Jwalamukhi devi ni Stuti( song of mother's worship), and he has also wrote Sukavya Sagrah (means beautiful/refined poems )
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THE AVATAR CHARITRAWRITTREN BY SHREE NARAHARDASJI - & TRANSLATED BY MISHAN MAHESHDAN NARANDAN 
    AVTAR CHARITRA, THE HUGE GRANTHA OF 24 INCARNATION OF GOD WRITTEN BY CHARAN MAHATMA SHRI ANRHARDASJI, 200 YEARS AGO IN A VRAJ AND MIX LANGUAGES. THE GREAT GRANTH IS NOT READBLE WITH ITS MEANING ONLY THE ORIGINAL SCRIPT IS AVIALBLE BUT IT IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE AND SO A GREAT GRANTH IS UNKNOWN TO THE WORLD LITERATRE. 
    A GREAT POET AND CRITIC OF GUJARAT WHO IS KNOWN AS A MOBILE UNIVERSIY AND A SANSKRIT LITERATURE AS WELLL AS CHARANI LITERATURE IS ON HIS TIP OF THE TONGUE. HE IS SHRI MAHESHDAN NARANDAN MISHAN BRON AND GROWN IN MORBI, DISTRICT RAJKOT,GUJARAT STATE, INDIA.WHO IS JUST RECENTLY AWARDED  THE KAG AWARD BY MORARI BAPU THE RENOWNED RAMKATHAKAR AND A GREAT SAINT OF GUJARAT. 
   SHRI MAHESHDANJI MISHAN HAS STARTED IN 1990 TRANSLATION OF  THE AVATAR CHARITRA INTO GUJARATI LANGUAGE WITH ITS DEEP MEANING TWO BIG INCARNATON OF AVATAR CHARITRA THE RAMA AVATAR AND THE KRISHNA AVATAR. NOW ONLY SMALL AVATAR ARE REMAINED TO BE TRANSLATED. THE WHOLE CHARAN CASTE IS TO BE PROUD OF SHRI MAHESHDANJI MISHAN FOR HIS GREAT WORK OF SOCIETY.BECAUSE HE IS AT PRESENT 82 YEARS OLD AND STILL WORKING ON THIS MEGA TASK. NOBODY HAS TOUCHED THIS GRANTH FOR 200 YEARS,ONLY THE SINGERS HAVE BEEN SINGING FEW LINE FROM AVATAR CHARTITRA WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF IT. 
  ALL THE CAST LOVERS SHOUD PURCHASE AVATAR CHARITRA TO GIVE HOMAGE TO MAHATMA NARHARDASJI.
                        YOURS FAITHFULLY AND SON OF MAHESHDANJI MISHAN 
                                  JAYESH MAHESHDAN MISHAN, 
                     SECTION OFFICER  IN SACHIVALY ,GANDHINAGAR, GUJARAT  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.18.131.151 (talk) 08:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shankardanji Detha 

message: I am concerned that this article might be conflating Charan with Charana. While the former may be a caste, the latter is a more complex beast. For example, see this. In conflating things, we're making assumptions about individuals such as Duraso, whose article makes no mention of either term but whose single source (the Sahitya Academy encyclopedia) says that his style of writing was similar to charanas.
I'll try to dig deeper into this issue because caste puffery is a known problem on Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 16:28, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflation 

message: Aside from the point I raise in the preceding section, I am concerned that people are reinstating material such as this, where the only source is a translation of ancient texts and most of the statements are completely unsourced.
Wikipedia requires that almost all statements made in our articles are verifiable and this is achieved by citing reliable sources. In the case of caste-related article, no citation basically means no mention of the statement, and the Puranas etc are not reliable sources: they are very old, ambiguous and contradictory glorification myths. The only way such old texts should appear in an article is when we are referring to an independent, peer-reviewed modern author (usually academic) who has analysed them and drawn a conclusion worthy of note. - Sitush (talk) 13:00, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced and poorly sourced statements 

message: I don't know why there is a separate page for Gadhvi. This page explicitly mentions that Gadhvis are Charans. The Gadhvi page must be merged into Charan -Mohanbhan (talk) 04:46, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. Grant | Talk 08:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Gadhvi into Charan

message: Substituted at 00:58, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Raj era sources and those from medieval India etc are not considered to be reliable for use in caste articles. It is for that reason I keep removing material recently introduced by various accounts, who may or may not be the same person. - Sitush (talk) 21:35, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: I reverted here because the Rajputs of Saurashtra book has long been considered unreliable on Wikipedia. I would appreciate a translation of the Quora source because I suspect some pov-pushing going on. I note that a large chunk of that series of edits was also completely unsourced, although perhaps that is a timing issue. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 11:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent revert 

message: RegentsPark, LukeEmily, Ekdalian. After above discussion, the proposed addition to the lead is this:
"In ancient Sanskrit literature texts, the Cāraṇas are depicted chanting hymns eulogizing the gods and as priests worshipping temple icons.
Historically perceived of being associated with a divine origin, the sacrility of the Cāraṇas was corollary to their inviolability; harming whom was considered a sin comparable to brahmahatya. Because of the institutionalized and religiously sanctioned protection which they enjoyed, they could fearlessly criticize and admonish the kings and their actions, act as mediators in political disputes among the rulers, and serve as protectors of mercantile activity throughout the conflict-ridden regions of western India."
If there's any issue regarding the above proposed para, whether about the sources used, the sentence wording or structure, please inform here. The proposed addition to the lead is not something new, most of this is already explained in the later sections, with high quality sources. This is a summarisation of sort. Again, please feel free to suggest any improvements in the wording or structure. Thank you.
Krayon95 (talk) 10:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , it is well sourced. The only dispute is whether it should be in the lead or not. I have not done enough academic reading on the community to give an opinion on consensus. My suggeston is to use RFC to resolve the dispute amicably. Thanks, LukeEmily (talk) 13:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: LukeEmily. Not familiar with RFC. Can you link to it? Thanks. Krayon95 (talk) 11:25, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Krayon95, WP:RFC. ThanksLukeEmily (talk) 12:28, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Lead expansion 

message: Charan Were Considered As Great Warriors Had Love For Poetry  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:5B86:CEB4:3481:66FF:FEED:C7F0 (talk) 11:35, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 September 2022 

message: Rajpurohits were never under your patronage.  They are the real jagirdars as they were given jagirs in the Rajput era. Rajpurohits and other purohits are not of the same culture. Charans were not real jagirdars. Charans don't follow the traditions that can be called both brahmins and rajputs. In ancient times they lived a nomadic life.  They are only a bards and  bhat.  Still in many villages their work is only in singing the praises of the great warriors.  Charans are called "Bhat ji" in our villages.
  This paragraph is completely biased which has been written for the purpose of personal enmity. Rahul singh (om) (talk) 13:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove 'Rajpurohits' which is mentioned in patronized section 

message: Rajpurohit name hata do bhai galat information mat dalo 150.129.168.76 (talk) 16:32, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rajpurohit name hata do bhai galat information mat dalo 

message: Please add a section of notable people of this community as there are many who are well known figures in Gujarat and Rajasthan with 8 padmashri awardess and other great man and the godess that are born in this community. Goodfaiths01 (talk) 07:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  ℰmi1y⧼T·C⧽ 08:47, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 January 2023 

message: remove word Islam from religion of Charan.
 Charan were Hindu are Hindu and will Hindu.
I request you to edit that. Vishal12345sharma (talk) 17:57, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove word Islam from religion of Charan. Charan were Hindu are Hindu and will Hindu 

message: Charan should correctly be spelled as چارڻ   in Urdu (as well as Sindhi).
Since the article is blocked from editing, I offer this information here for anyone who'd like to correct it once it is open again. (Insert it instead of the present Urdu letter sequence, which does not read "Charan" at all)
Yak-indolog (talk) 05:57, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Krayon95 (talk) 07:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urdu misspelled 

message: 2409:40D4:200D:E401:141D:70FF:FED4:8C96 (talk) 03:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: The word bard is used in multiple existing sources, including peer reviewed journals. This term is not limited to a single group. Jamedeus (talk) 04:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 March 2024 

message: Remove islam from the religion part 2409:40D4:107C:35FA:4CDC:DA3F:DB54:9DB9 (talk) 17:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improve religion