Talk:Glenn Beck/Archive 1

message: What about Glenn's dad, who was a major influence on him? --Merovingian 14:11, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)
:Can't say I've listened to his show and some biographical information on him (e.g. date of birth) is particularly difficult to find. I'll look for some more articles on him and see what I can find. (Feel free to take part of the wikimoney back if you feel the article is insufficient. I think it's a pretty good start, at any rate.) -- Matty j 21:38, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)
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An anon user removed the statement that Beck opposes multiculturalism. I was about to revert when I realized that, never having heard of Beck, I don't know how he does feel about it, nor what he's said about it, if anything, on the air. In other words, I don't know if our anon friend (whose other edit was to say the US is "the greatest country on earth" and was qickly reverted) is disputing that Beck takes this position, that it's an example of a right-wing position, or that its inclusion is NPOV. ♥ «Charles A. L.» 21:37, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)
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How about adding a "raised Catholic," phrase to his background info? (Source: 22 Jul 2005 broadcast, while stating how scary he finds the movie "The Exorcist.") --Michael Garoutte 16:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

message: The following was written at Glenn Beck.  Obviously a duplicate - it may be useful content:
Based in Philadelphia, Glenn Beck, 40, is casting a tall shadow as the next phenomenon of talk radio. The former Top 40 DJ entered the talk format in 2001 and already his show is broadcast on 160 stations nationwide. Millions of listeners are drawn to this modern-day story teller who is armed with a quick wit, an informed opinion, and a unique ability to inspire others to experience their full potential with an open heart. His on-air presence is both commanding and inviting – a trait he has been refining for the last 26 years.
Glenn started in radio when he was only 13 years old by winning a local radio contest to be a DJ for an hour. Soon after that auspicious day, Glenn had three jobs – one at a Christian station, a Rock station, and a Country station – all of which his parents had to schlep him to in their home state of Washington. He was fired from all three jobs – on the same day when he was 14 years old!
After high school graduation, Glenn pursued his career as a Top 40 DJ at stations all over the country. Eventually, he landed an opportunity in Corpus Christi, Texas as the youngest morning guy in the U.S. at 18 years old. His career was soaring and took him to Top 40 morning shows in Baltimore, Houston, Phoenix, Washington, and New Haven, Conn. He rode the wave of professional success into the 1990s when things began to change. Today, Glenn points out, “When you have that kind of success that early in life, it’s easy for you to turn into a monster. And I did! I was not a good guy.”
At the age of 30, Glenn lost his passion for radio – and everything else – as alcoholism and drug addiction took him over. Struggling to find some answers to his problem, Glenn pursued higher education. Though he was accepted by Yale as a Theology major, he lasted only one semester, faced with a divorce from his first wife and separation from his two daughters – the oldest with Cerebral Palsy. He was emotionally and financially decimated and relegated to one of the smallest radio markets. The shooting radio star had fallen to earth.
Finally, he turned to a program of recovery.
Coming to terms with his past and staying sober shifted his life direction. He found a new love (his second wife, Tania), religion (he was baptized Mormon in 2000), and a new vision of his career – he would pursue talk radio.
Soon after his baptism, Glenn received a call from an agent who was interested in representing him. Days later, he had an offer to host his own talk radio show on WFLA-AM in Tampa, Florida, forcing him to move away from his daughters in New Haven. He and Tania decided to live in Tampa for two years and then, whether Glenn succeeded or failed, they would move closer to his girls.
He inherited the 18th placed position at WFLA-AM and took it to the #1 position in his first year, giving the station its highest ratings ever. Within 18 months, Premiere Radio Networks, the leading radio syndication company in the country, offered Glenn the opportunity to go national. In January 2002, The Glenn Beck Program launched on 47 stations.
He also kept his promise to his daughters and moved the national show to Philadelphia. The Glenn Beck Program airs weekdays from 9 a.m. to noon ET and be heard on more than 150 stations nationwide.
-- Chuq 03:25, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content from Glenn Beck 

message: The statement "In May of 2005, he threatened Michael Moore on the air. This inappropriate commentary received little notice by the now right leaning press," is NPOV.  It should be modified to conform to Wikipedia neutrality standards. The nature of the threat should be described in greater detail.  If Moore or a media watchdog group publically described it as inappropriate, this information should be included.  Appropriateness or inappropriateness is subjective and should not be included in the text as a factual statement, even if you feel the statement crossed a line.  The phrase "now right leaning press" is a slanted and controversial statement.
The transcript of Beck's statement aired on May 17, 2005 follows.
"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, 'Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore,' and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, 'Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death.' And you know, well, I'm not sure." 
-- Great Scott 15:21, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you knew about his disdain for political correctness, you would understand that Glenn is simply being sarcastic.  Jm51 04:55, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Beck IS controversial and he is not loved by all.  I don't feel its right to have a puff piece praising the man when there is another side to the story.  Beck has been vocal when any Democrats or liberals joke around.  He didn't think it was funny when Whoopi Goldberg made jokes about the President for instance.  While I realize he was "joking" about Moore, many (including me) found joking about murdering someone to be in poor taste.  Moore is a hated figure on the right--what if some unbalanced individual didn't get Beck's "joke" and hurt him.
If an article is neutral about a controversial figure it should present both sides.
:I have no problem putting the Moore bit in this article.  I do have a problem saying it is "threatening."  It was a comedy bit relating to Dave Chappelle.  And if an individual harmed Michael Moore, it would not have been Beck's fault.  It would be that individual's fault.  Beck should not be responsible for other people's actions.  If he were, any murder, domestic violence, or drug abuse would have to be blamed on COPS, rappers, or basically any movie or TV show out there.  You would have to blame the war in Iraq on Moore since he simply joked about it.  Quit blaming people for other people's actions!  Moore is a great proponent of free speech, and Beck's comments did not violate his rights.  I doubt Moore likes Beck very much, but he must respect his rights. SkeeloBob 14:48, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll give it to you that Glenn is a little strange when it comes to watching R-rated movies (I believe it has something to do with him being a Mormon.), but he isn't against other people watching them.  And I do think Beck is funny, but not "hilarious."  (And although I may sound like a heretic to some, realistically, there are better comedians out there than Richard Pryor and George Carlin (unless you're really old), but that's an argument for another place and time.)  I am pretty sure Beck would never consider himself "hip."  I have absolutely no problem showing the other side.  I think it is important to see all of the angles on a subject.  And I cannot comment on his remarks about Whoopi because I don't know what he said about it.  Do you have any quotes of his or anything?  Was he commenting on the sexual nature of it?  Or criticizing the President during a time of war?  And what is so wrong with comparing Bush and Churchill?  More greivous comparisons have been made, i.e. Moore's camparison of Iraqi insurgents and the Minutemen, IMHO. --SkeeloBob 14:37, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just trying to present balance 

message: The other day on his show, Beck called WP "a good resource for looking up just about anything," describing this entry as "eerily" accurate and "possibly more accurate then the bio on my own web site." - Calmypal (T) June 30, 2005 20:04 (UTC)
:We do what we can. I have emailed Glenn a few times touting the great articles on Wiki about him and the stuff he does. --SkeeloBob 1 July 2005 13:48 (UTC)
:: I added this quote to the entry itself. It may not stand the test of time - I'll leave it to the experts. But I thought it was interesting and relevant for Wikipedia readers.
He again said the Wikipedia article is more accurate than his own website bio. I'm not too sure what day it was, but it was sometime this past week. Chalk another one up to WP! --SkeeloBob 16:50, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good job, everyone! 

message: Especially with a controversial personality like Beck, there is a tendency if you like a famous person to repeat the phrases you have heard him use in describing himself and others. These phrases are sometimes dialectal in origin, almost always ambiguous, and sometimes slanderous. It is important to at least attempt objectivity. My changes went to that purpose. If you want to debate the finer points, please do so here, but don't just roll it back or bat it around like a tennis ball in a boring political fray. That's not the purpose of Wikipedia, IMHO.
--Doug Alford 19:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think it is pretty notable that he is rather plump.  It is a topic on his show very often.  I am not sure if Beck has ever called himself "plump," but it is factual. He talks about fitness fairly often, and his weight is normally the topic at-hand.  It could possibly be said a less colloquial way, but I am not quite sure how to put it any other way. --SkeeloBob 13:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then it's notable that he talks about it. "Plumpness", which, again, has no definition in the sense that there is no measured standard, is not notable because there are millions of people who could be described as "plump", including many radio personalities, so any objective description would not single out Mr. Beck as notable for this characteristic. It's really the word "notable" I have a problem with here. It's simply not true in this context, and it stands out as another example of taking someone's self-description and casting it as objective description. Can we at least change it to say something like "Beck often mentions his plumpness" ... or something else that doesn't read like Entertainment Tonight? ;-)  --Doug Alford 14:50, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it is something he is known for. Should we not put personal information into articles? Should we not list James Madison as the shortest president? Should we not say that Richard Simmons used to weigh 300 pounds? Personal information is often used. And it's not "self-descriptive," it is "descriptive." It is something people know about Glenn Beck. Like I said before, maybe "plump" is too colloquial, but how else should we say this? --SkeeloBob 13:35, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's something that he's known for, and if he mentions it frequently on the air, then maybe something like, "On the air, Glenn is also known for often referring to himself as overweight (or "plump") when making a particular point."  Not necessarily that, of course, but something like it might work.  Just a suggestion.Stanselmdoc 16:08, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's avoid gushy bios, please? 

message: The Big Frog 109.9 FM - A fansite for the fake radio station used on the Glenn Beck Program
More On Trivia DOT ORG - Tips and Suggestions on how not to be humiliated on the Glenn Beck Program
Both have been mentioned before on the Glenn Beck Program. --Spunkz 19:11, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: It seems you are the all-knowing when it comes to Glenn Beck since you are now the only one who can update the damn thing. I will no longer contribute to this article, nor will I recommend it for anyone to use as a reference for Glenn Beck. Great JOB! The only author who can edit this article (see Neutrality) is nothing more than a liberal socialite who enjoys censoring opinion that opposes his own. There is no irony in that all the edits he has made (which you can view in the Glenn Beck wiki history) have a left leaning opinion. He takes his "facts" from out of context quotes from a liberal website named mediamaters.org. Ironic indeed that when the rest of us had the ability to edit the article we didn't remove your "Controversial Statements" section. 	 
	 
You removed mentions of Glenn's new baby, refuse to let us correct the spelling of Tania's name, and deleted the More On Trivia section! Yet you were sure to replace that with the mediamaters.org talking points (which if we want to be technical should be migrated to wikiquotes cause that's what they are). 	 
		 
You claim that this is part of a clean up. Yet, you never followed wikipedia guidelines and logged your vandalism of the article. 	 
If you would like to see an honest reflection of Glenn's life I recommend this site: 	 
		 
GlennPedia.com	 
--Spunkz 04:32, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality: You Vandalized This Article

message: Once upon a time, there was a great biographical article.  Then the evil POV-ers came and ruined it.  And I mean POV-ers from both sides: Pro-Glenn and Anti-Glenn.  The problem is there was no reason for a protection to go up to prevent "vandalism" that wasn't even occurring!  And the "Controversial Statements" section?  Don't even get me started, EVERYONE knows you can't just put quotes in an article without adding some substance behind them.  That's not wiki policy, that's wikiquote policy.  If you want to quote his controversial statements, back it up with information like who got mad at his statements, who sent him hate-mail, who organized a protest or something.  You can't just put the quotes in.  Ugh, when I have more time, I'll bring up more issues. Stanselmdoc 15:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Happened to this Article? 

message: Time to edit. --Tony SidawayTalk 17:21, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprotecting 

message: Is there a reason that the sites that I have put up on the page keep getting erased?  I have made it abundantly clear that these certain sites have been put own by Beck and his show, and are therefore not fansites:
*Jim Dingle Talking Issues
*Evil Conservatives
*Nerf Hoffelmeyer for NYC Mayor Campaign Site
These sites were created by Beck and his staff as a joke based on the topic.  The Jim Dingle site has been going for at least three years, continuously.  The other two have been around at least for a year.  There sites are not fan sites.
Sites like More On Trivia is a fansite and I have therefore not included it.  Do not erase Beck Sponsored Sites.
--Saxonjf 01:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beck's Side Websites 

message: The quote from Media Matters (the blatantly left-wing propaganda machine) ought to be left off.  Glenn was in no way degrading the survivors of Katrina & 9/11, but those who tried to play the 'victim' role.  It could be a whole article in and of itself.  
If the Michael Moore thing weren't so funny, we would think about removing that, but honestly, who likes Michael Moore? --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.117.81.200 (talk • contribs)  22:01, 19 October 2005  (UTC)
: Apparently Lord Voldemort won't let us delete the quotes taken out of context without discussing.  Lets discuss the stupid quotes so we can remove them. Anyone care to actually take the postition that the quotes aren't out of context?!?  Chancelot 02:21, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I was thinking that that quote was notable, so it might warrant inclusion, but if you remove that one, why not remove the other quotes out of context? But you are correct, we should at least have the full quote, not just the snippets mediamatters plucked out to fit their POV. Okay, go ahead and remove them until we can come up with some consensus here on the talk page. Nevermind I'll go ahead and do it. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 12:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I've got no problem removing all the out-of-context quotes, but I definately think that the 9/11 & Katrina victims is completely out of context.  I'm not sure if you listen to Beck, but during that entire show he mentioned that he had nothing but respect for the survivors of such tragedies, but he was disgusted with how quickly people start to become greedy and scummy.  He doesn't hate the 9/11 families, he loathes the families that sought to make it all about them.  If you want to have a full quote, we'll pretty much need to start a whole new article just one his controversial statements. Chancelot 05:08, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  9/11 & Katrina Victims v. Survivors 

message: I added Glennpedia to the list of external links, as it contains a lot of valuable information - including recaps of each show.  It is made so that a new listener to the program can understand the origin of many aspects of the show.  140.254.224.194 20:47, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glennpedia (added to External Links) 

message: The show has grown to over 180 stations and now also features a weekend version.  Also in the works, is a new magazine--"Glenn Beck's Fusion".
:Fixed the 180 stations thing.  Will work on Fusion Magazine stuff. SkeeloBob 16:16, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beck is now on more than 180 stations 

message: Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia where anyone can contribute. We would like to thank the user Neutrality for contributing to this article. Ben, please stop removing edits and additions that others make. I created a section called "More On Trivia" which is a highly sucessful segment on the Glenn Beck program.  If you listen to the show then you would know that this segment explains a lot about his character and at least a mention should be included in his entry. Half the time Ben, I think your edits are just attacks against the guy. The rest of us are just interested in a rounded profile that represents his true character. Unlike the others you have banned from making edits in this entry, just open a dialogue with us. Thanks. --Spunkz 04:44, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immediate Response 

message: glenn beck said on headline news that hes "sick of all this free speech bull crap" what a stupid m.
This is not the place to make ad hominem attacks on the subject of the article. Please leave speech like this to forums of political discussion. -- 6/27/07 Fsjonsey
:Seriously, this isn't the place. Matthew 14:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a stupid MF, and I'm tired of all this free speech crap, and all the politically correct bull crap.  No, really, surely you can't be confusing most of America's frustration with the bastardization of the ideals of free speech with censorship and nazism.  I mean, today's "free speech movement" is just a partisan lobbyist's quest paid for by the newsmedia, pornographers, and spammers--especially so if he really said "politically correct"--which adds another element of those overtly trying to change the definitions of common words.  So Beck's comment is a non-issue.  --Mrcolj (talk) 20:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tired Of Free Speech? 

message: I added my popular blog to the list of sites opposed to Beck. Please do not remove it, it has been linked many time on large blogs. Achorn 20:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: A criticism section does not violate NPOV and should be included in this article.  The Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Negative content section states Views that are relevant to the subject's notability, are based on reliable sources, and are not given undue weight are usually appropriate content. If a view represents that of a tiny uninfluential minority, it has no place in the article. 
Other examples of Biographies of living persons with appropriate criticism sections are:
*Tony Blair#Criticism and Criticism of Tony Blair — Wikipedia Featured Article
*George W. Bush#Criticism and public perception
*Rush Limbaugh#Subject of criticism
*Pope Benedict XVI — An excerpt from this article is "This has drawn sharp criticism from Catholic gay rights advocates like journalist Andrew Sullivan, who claim that Benedict is espousing a form of fundamentalist edict, and is opposed to external questioning of his doctrines"
Glenn has many critics.  It is part of his notability.  To remove or hide what Glenn's influential opposition says about him would make this article biased.  I argue that in order for this article to be NPOV it needs the criticism section.  Please refer to my comments on the subject in the previous section.  Sweeping changes to an article should be discussed here before they are made.  And please use your wikipedia account before making sweeping changes to an article.  --Jared W 17:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a problem with explaining that his criticism has thus far been primarily "liberal" groups?  The article states that Beck's a conservative; the organizations that have criticized him are "progressive" or liberal.  It's extremely relevant to indicate what kinds of organizations are criticizing him. I don't want to enter a revert war, so I'm posting here. Zz414 19:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is probably appropriate to describe the standpoint of his critics when discussing them. However, in the case of FAIR, the more accurate term would be "left-leaning" instead of "liberal." Twalls 20:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism and NPOV 

message: This article is highly biased with most criticisms of Glenn Beck being deleted. My links to the
audio of Glen Beck threatening Michael Moore keeps disappearing. He mentions how he would look him
in the eye and choke him.
:(sigh)  The article is not "highly biased".  It is in accordance with Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons.  Please read and understand wikipedia guidelines. --Jared W 06:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  This article is about Beck, not about everything he's criticized about.  There are a few of the more prominent criticisms, but to avoid things like undue weight, the amount of criticism is proportional to the length of the article. Zz414 20:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The following is copied from Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons:
[edit] Criticism
The views of critics should be represented if they are relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to side with the critics; rather, it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. Be careful not to give a disproportionate amount of space to critics, to avoid the effect of representing a minority view as if it were the majority one. If the criticism represents the views of a tiny minority, it has no place in the article. Care must be taken with article structure to ensure the overall presentation is broadly neutral, in particular, header structure for regions or subsections should reflect important areas to the subject's notability.
Content should be sourced to reliable sources and should be about the subject of the article specifically. Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association. Editors should also be on the lookout for biased or malicious content about living persons. If someone appears to be pushing an agenda or a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability.
Asher196 (talk) 00:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Indeed.  Perhaps we should send him to a concentration camp. Asher196 (talk) 02:28, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. E2a2j (talk) 12:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highly Biased 

message: Glenn Beck earned his way to national fame in July 2003 at his Tampa, FL. radio station, he recieved a "local" news story on a comatose woman awaken after years of being in a coma by the name of Terry Schiavo was going to lose life support. The article may add the fact that Beck is the first major radio host to bring forth the Terry Schiavo life-support controversy to national consciousness and the politically heated event would be lost if it wasn't for Glenn Beck got the story around the world. 
Another thing to add is on the January 18, 2007 segment of the Glenn Beck (radio) program (09:15AM EST)- courtesy of his official web site, when he's the subject of verbal attacks by congressman Robert F. Kennedy Jr. that Beck is a "right-wing fascist". Keep the article updated on whether Glenn Beck may sue Rep. Kennedy Jr. for libel or slander, or he brushes off those comments that are unfounded, since Beck has no formal ties with neo-fascist parties or organizations to begin with. Mike D 26 05:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: Hello!!!!!! I am new to this article, and actually just started to read it for the first time today!  Any way under the George W. Bush section it says the following
"Beck sometimes questions the Bush administration, however, on issues including border security, government spending, some aspects of the Iraq War, and the nomination of Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court."
This is an incomplete thought.... whoever has knowledge on this part should correct it. Thank you for looking out! OfForByThePeople 05:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks like a complete sentence (and thought) to me.  Though, I would have put the "however" at the beginning of the sentence, however, so that the sentence would be easier to read.  ;-)  Just drop the "however" (and the commas before and after) and read it again.  It makes more sense that way.  I've reworded the article to do this.  If it still doesn't make sense, bring it up on this page; I may be wrong. Val42 06:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  George W. Bush 

message: Can we find better sources than attack blogs? Thanks --Tom 14:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Blogs are not reliable sources here. There are tons of other forums out there for this kind of stuff. Please stick to reliable sources. I am no fan of this guy, but this article needs to maintain a certain level of review. You don't like this guy which is fine, just keeps the blogs out otherwise this article won't be worth much. Cheers! --Tom 18:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Dansig(sp) section 

message: Please stop adding blogs or hate sites. If this guy is a baby killer, great, get a reliable source and add that material. If he wanted nude pictures of some broad, even better! Get some RELIABLE sources that cover it and include it. If in ANY doubt, do NOT include it. I am an equal opportunity remover of unsourced/questionable material for EITHER side. There is a new sherrif in town :) just kidding. Seriously, I know this guy is a lighning rod to folks but lets rise above this. Any other thoughts? Thanks!--Tom 19:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Achorn, congratulations on your success, but I would refer you to WP:RS. Sorry for being a stick in the mud but i am just one tiny editor trying to keep Wikipedia up to encyclopediatic levels. --Tom 19:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Now you are getting it. --Tom 19:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Many articles have critizism(sp) sections or the like. This article has one, doesn't it? This article and most articles would be crap if the external links section was open ended. Please see WP:EL. Also, find some pro Beck stuff that isn't sourced and I'll remove it and then his fans can scream at me. I really don't care about guy as much as you do, thats pretty clear. Anyways,--Tom 19:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Sounds good. Especially, unsourced, questionable material should be removed. Also, WP:OR is a huge problem in these parts. People/editors love to use reliable sources and then form their own analysis to add material. Another big no-no. As you have seen, I am a huge believe in less is better than more. Anyways--Tom 19:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blogs and attack sites 

message: The first error that caught my attention is the change of the radio station WFLA-AM in Tampa, Florida to Washington. The second glaring error is his religion. According to his bio at Glenn Beck, he was "he was baptized Mormon" at the age of 30. Looking at all six edits, this anon IP stumbled around making spelling mistakes until it finally settled on its final version.
Based upon these errors, I will revert to the last correct version before these edits. Ronbo76 23:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[March 20]], [[2007]] factual errors introduced by anonymous IP edits 

message: It was a joke gone bad. Why would he mean anything else? He's on tv. -Yancyfry
:Have you actually read the transcript of the entire interview? The “proposition” at the end was nothing of the sort; it was an attempt to point out the hypocrisy of Sansing’s position. In the interview, she repeatedly suggests that having revealing photos taken isn’t something that would ruin someone’s career. To point out what a ludicrous suggestion that is, Beck jokingly suggests taking pictures of her. Since she does not quickly accept his suggestion, it demonstrates that she might have some doubts about the fallout from such an invitation. Perhaps the point was lost on most people, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was a joking point, not an actual proposition. 75.30.231.157 08:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dina Sansing interview 

message: I created two archive pages, one all subjects talked about prior to 2006 and one with 2006 subjects.  This will make it easier to read and use this discussion page.  If you have a subject that you feel needs to be here with current discussion, just start a new subject here with what you want to say.  Thank you.  Fanra 22:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived Stuff 

message: Can anyone verify that Glenn actually coined this term? It would help if we had a source describing where and when. I can recall about a decade ago when I first started hearing this term on the radio, but not from GB. On an unrelated note, RamaHanuKwanzMas should have its own page. 134.84.100.80 02:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There used to be a page by that name, but it was deleted because it wasn't "notable".  It would need proper citations if it were to survive for long.  Val42 02:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RamaHanuKwanzMas 

message: Someone put in "Beck began his broadcast with the following:" and then puts in a quote that is cobbled together from some remarks he made DURING the broadcast.  He didn't begin the broadcast with them, as can be seen here:  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/10/gb.01.html  So I'm removing it.  Fanra 11:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. I moved it up as a sub-header to the show. -- MisterHand 15:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Sharpton 

message: I spent a lot of time fixing up this section to make it clear and factual.  But after reading it, I wonder why it is in the Criticism section.  Has anyone criticized this interview?  This is a very interesting interview and I liked reading about it but if it belongs here at all, I don't think it belongs under Criticism.  Fanra 12:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. I moved it up as a sub-header to the show. -- MisterHand 15:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Al Sharpton interview

message: Lawfamily recently reverted a bunch of things I added to the article.  He claimed in his edit summary that I was violating NPOV.  Some of what I posted might be considered POV information, at least I could see that it was open to discussion.  However, he reverted everything I added, some of it was absolutely neutral no matter what your viewpoint.  He didn't post here that he had a problem with anything I posted, he just reverted.  I'm not posting this to complain about him.  I'm posting this to explain why I'm going to restore most of what I posted and I wish to avoid an edit war.  I've left a message for him on his talk page.    Fanra 20:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lawfamily 

message: I have added a main tag to link to the main article:  Exposed: The Climate of Fear which needs to be improved.--Zeeboid 19:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exposed: The Climate of Fear 

message: I can't help but think that the section on Exposed: the Climate of Fear should be under the T.V. show, not the beliefs. 207.233.124.3 03:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exposed location 

message: Well, my carefully researched statement, which took information right from Beck's own website and the link he himself put on his website to "prove" he was right, was totally gutted.  I've put a POV and Fact dispute tag on that section.  I hope someone can mediate this to avoid an edit war.  Fanra 12:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montreal Protocol 

message: Ok, someone put in, "He does not approve of torture, but does approve of tough interrogation methods as a means of exploiting terrorist information in certain circumstances.".   Exactly what is "tough interrogation methods" and how are they different than torture?
Also I've found a transcript of his opinion on torture. However, if I put in in this article, I'm sure to get some response from people here. So, I'm going to put it here first and see what people say.
On Beck's October 6, 2005 radio show, he interviewed a caller who claimed to have been an American intelligence officer. After the man described the methods used to extract information, Beck said the following, "Mitch, I've got to tell you I appreciate your service. I don't know your circumstances at all. I, you know, I have to assume that, because we wear the white hats that we're not doing this at the drop of a hat." and "If you're comfortable telling this kind of -- it's not something that when you first meet -- say, "Hey, by the way, for 30 years I tortured people." I mean, it's kind of an awkward, weird, kind of thing. But I have to tell you, when all is said and done, I'm glad people like you are on our side."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200510070011
Before we all start jumping all over this, I really ask, a.) Did Beck really say this? It appears he did. b.) Does this represent his opinion on the issue? It appears it does. c.)Is putting this in the article biased? Well, it is what he really said. If someone feels that he does not feel this way could they please find a quote of Beck saying differently?  And if he does say that he feels differently then should we put both quotes in and leave it to the reader to decide which one is his true opinion?  Fanra 03:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "tough interrogation methods" 

message: The See Also section needs to be changed completely.  It looks like someone has vandalized it and replaced whatever was there with fictitious holidays instead of valid links.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.242.17 (talk) 06:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Glenn Beck uses Ramahanuquanzmas.  He may use the others too, but I haven't heard them on his program. — Val42 14:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also 

message: How is it that Glenn Beck graduated high school at the age of eight? The article states he was born in 1964, yet graduated high school in 1972.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.202.119.246 (talk) 17:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Woah...that's creepy...i'll try to find out if that's accurate (O_o) or vandalism. Matthew 14:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  High School 

message: It is not encyclopedic to mention that he ignores the topic of former U.S. Laws - sounds like agenda driven writing:
" while omitting subjects such as the Alien Registration act, or Smith Act of 1940 which made it a criminal offense for anyone to "knowingly or willfully advocate, abet, advise or teach the desirability or propriety of overthrowing the Government of the United States, or for anyone to organize any association which teaches, advises or encourages such viewpoints, or for anyone to become a member of or to affiliate with any such association".  Hundreds of "Communists" were prosecuted under this law between 1941 and 1957 under the repression of Mccarthyism. "  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdhunt (talk • contribs) 02:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Encyclopedic 

message: In the criticism section the following sentence appears: "Glenn Beck has twice suggested that all American Muslims must prove they are not enemies of America: once to Rep. Keith Ellison and once to activist Sharida McKenzie." I would like to change it to "Glenn Beck has been accused of suggesting that all American Muslims must prove they are not enemies of America on two seperate occasions: once to Rep. Keith Ellison and once to activist Sharida McKenzie." Any objections?Mystico16 (talk) 03:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  Go ahead. — Val42 19:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call. In fact, Glenn has vigorously denied the claims on his radio show, and the quotes do seem out of context. The Evil Spartan 05:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small Changes? 

message: This guy has been ranting about this for nearly a month now. Can this be used ? He makes Michael Savage look like a liberal. 65.163.112.205 05:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He has claimed that Mexican TROOPS, police are kidnapping Americans, worse, compares Mexico to a toilet, WORSE, and I mean WORSE. 65.163.112.205 05:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, you are correct; this is one of Glenn's biggest issues, and its omission from the article is a problem. However, if you (or someone else) adds it, please make sure to adhere to WP:NPOV. The Evil Spartan 05:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illegal Aliens/"Border WAR" 

message: Is it just me, or are the quotes provided here selectively narrowed so as to facilitate misunderstanding? Let's try to stick in accordance with  Wikipedia's Second Pillar, the NPOV Policy, by providing more of the content from quotes. Nobody learns from soundbites.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.25.195 (talk) 19:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is a quotation you would like to see expanded, you can always search for the transcript and fill in the quotation more fully.  I agree with you that some quotations are taken out of context. Stanselmdoc (talk) 17:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope 

message: The Salt Lake City News quote in the references goes to a "Recent Comments" page, not the actual article.  I couldn't find the actual article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deane (talk • contribs) 17:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote Link 

message: The statement currently in the critisim section on Ron Paul does not seem to be an honest account of what was said.
"On November 12, 2007 during his television show, Beck claimed that Ron Paul is a domestic threat to the United States and that his supporters were domestic terrorists[21][22]."
I do not see anywhere in the original video or transcript where he calls Ron Paul a domestic threat or calls his supporters terrorists. The second source is a very obviously biased article against him, so that doesn't seem like it would be a good source. Any suggestions as to what it should be changed to or should it be deleted completely? Mystico16 (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to remove it for now. If someone has a better wording, please feel free to post it. Mystico16 (talk) 06:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ron Paul 

message: Would one of the Glenn Beck apologist actually add a source for the number of people who attended the rally at Marshall University.  The number has been in dispute since September and here we are nearly 3 months later with still no source.Reinoe (talk) 22:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live Event Marshall 

message: I undid this revision because I think the readers of this article should be allowed the opportunity to read Beck's comments in it's entirety and then decide whether or not the criticism was fair or not.  Also the comment for the edit read "scandal better addressed in his book".  I would recommend that the editor expand the article on [Beck's book].Reinoe (talk) 15:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undid Revision 180390941 

message: 137.99.17.121, I read the caption of the video also. What was the surgery? Larry R. Holmgren (talk) 21:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He will be back at his show on Monday.  Presumably, he will give more information.  I think we'll have to wait until then. — Val42 (talk) 22:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The preponderance of the evidence is "No." — Val42 (talk) 07:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube video 

message: I propose that the following be removed from the article:
Beck also writes: "God bless you, Hollywood, for speaking out. But what you have to understand is that if you find yourself in the minority opinion, it's not because of some vast, right-wing or left-wing conspiracy. It's because you're out of step with everybody else. You're not going to be rounded up in the middle of the night and taken to jail...That doesn't happen in America.
I can't seem to find the reference in the first chapter, unless I totally missed it or it could be in a different chapter. --Hourick (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  An Inconvenient book 

message: Is it really necessary to mention that he slipped up once and mistakenly called Barack Obama "Osama" before realizing his mistake and correcting himself? I mean, this has happened many times to many people, and Mr Beck's slip was hardly the most noteworthy incident. That honor undoubtedly belongs to Senator Ted Kennedy, who made the same mistake on the Senate floor. As the incident was neither noteworthy or relevent, I'm removing it from the controversies/criticisms section. SpudHawg948 (talk) 11:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obama/Osama 

message: I was looking over the criticism section, noticed that the only source used as a reference is Media Matters. Can a partisan 501(3)(c) political organization that gathers oft out of context quotes from other secondary sources be considered credible, or for that matter NPOV? Fsjonsey (talk) 07:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MediaMatters as a source 

message: I've been following the edits on this article for a few days and it seems to have an inordinate number of anonymous edits which often take on the appearance of vandalism. Should it be semi protected?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trilobitealive (talk • contribs) 17:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. Over the last week, there have been only five instances of vandalism by anonymous editors. That doesn't seem like a lot compared to other articles I've seen. Additionally, in that time there have been several good edits (non-vandalism) by anons as well. -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 17:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I'm just used to articles about obscure botany subjects which go months between vandalisms. Trilobitealive (talk) 18:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this article be semi protected? 

message: Article is very far left especially criticisms.  It need to state both veiws or at lest note that his critics such as media matters are liberal 68.163.40.83 (talk) 19:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the article revolves around describing Beck's views, his life experiences, etc., so I guess I don't see how it's "far left" or "liberal." The criticisms sections obviously contains criticisms from groups who are on the left end of the political spectrum (it would be strange if it did not). However I think the section is fairly well balanced. At four different points we cite a response from Beck (or his spokesman) to the criticisms offered. I don't think it makes sense to describe Media Matters as liberal since we do not do that in the opening paragraph of the article on that organization. Folks can click on the link to Media Matters and read about them there in order to get a sense of their point of view - we generally try to avoid using POV adjectives to describe groups, even if there is some truth to them (for example in an article quoting the Ku Klux Klan we would not say "the racist Ku Klux Klan said..." even though most would agree that is the case). If you have additional material (for example responses to criticism from Beck or his surrogates) that you would like to add in then maybe you can mention it here and we can discuss before adding it. We will need to be able to source it though (for example, we cannot say "Glenn often makes such comments while laughing," as you did in your edit, without a source for that).--Bigtimepeace | talk |  contribs 20:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Liberal 

message: I did watch some of his shows and I admit, he's a total ass.  But I notice he seems to be critical to pop culture like Miley Cyrus, Pokemon, and Britney Spears, and I even added this in with a sample link that leads to a Youtube video criticizing Grand Theft Auto IV and having Jack Thompson as his guest.  I was wondering if it alright to mention this. --Dark paladin x (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  mentioning Glenn Beck critical to pop culture 

message: :"Liberal" is not exactly the more accurate term to describe FAIR, which I'd say is left of mainstream "liberalism." Calling it a progressive media criticism organization is better and the one used in the main article on the non-profit. I'll go ahead and be bold my making the change, not intended to cause any edit-war, of course.Giovanni33 (talk) 18:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAIR as a "liberal" organization? 

message: I'm afraid that per WP:BLP, any straight-faced claims that Beck wishes to put Hollywood celebrities in gas chambers or to put Muslims in concentration camps will need better sources than out-of-context quotes from some watchdog group. I'm not contesting that the quotes are factually incorrect, but the editor placing them here apparently isn't making any attempt to put them in context. Kelly hi! 07:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added context. Any other concerns? JCDenton2052 (talk) 07:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that you've labeled these statements "controversies", but I'm seeing no reliable sources stating that there was any controversy at all over these statements. The only sources are obviously ideological watchdog groups. Read WP:COATRACK for more on my concerns - for biographies of living persons, especially one on a prominent media figure, the sourcing needs to be impeccable for claims like this. Kelly hi! 13:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Did any or all of these quotes cause a "controversy"?  Did other, promenent people criticise Beck for these statements? E2a2j (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why am I being singled out? Plenty of other controversial quotes in that section are only referenced by FAIR or Media Matters. Insist that they also meet your arbitrary bar for controversy or remove them too. JCDenton2052 (talk) 19:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, that whole section needs to be pruned, eliminated, or possibly have notable sections merged into the rest of the article per WP:CRIT and Wikipedia:Words to avoid#Article structures that can imply a point of view. I may take a crack at it later if nobody else does. Kelly hi! 19:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media Matters quotes 

message: We all have an opinion, right?  Some of us like Al Sharpton,  Al Frankin, Rush Limbaugh, whatever.  Can we just keep the article NPOV and to the facts?  Can we keep the discussion civil?  Thanks! E2a2j (talk) 02:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little calm, please? 

message: I noticed during the credits of National Treasure 2, that Abraham Lincoln was played by a "Glenn Beck".  Is this the same Glenn Beck?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Than523 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Lincoln was played by this Glenn Beck Asher196 (talk) 16:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Treasure 2 

message: I updated and corrected some information in his bio. It was his brother-in-law that committed suicide not brother as Glenn has no brothers, he has two sisters. Also I added that another brother-in-law had a fatal heart attack about the same time. Place of birth, Mt Vernon Washington, was also added. All of this info can be found at Glennpedia and he has stated it on his radio and tv show. -- 03/07/07 jsager75
I have an old VHS archive and I found an old commercial for an old radio station called B104 in Baltimore, Maryland.  I posted it to YouTube.  One of the viewers of my video pointed out that the Glenn Beck in the "Glenn Beck and the Morning Guys" was the one and only modern talk show host Glenn Beck.  The URL for the commercial video is http://youtube.com/watch?v=YrhwljCD8Fk .  I see no mentions of this on his Wikipedia page.  Can someone further research this and add this information into the Wiki?  Thanks.  -- 09/29/07
sconcequence  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.158.97 (talk) 20:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Bio 

message: I would like a confirmation on the tv programs name. On foxnews.com it has the name "Beck". However the digital on-screen graphics on his show call the show "Glenn Beck Program". Is there any press releases that can verify either name?Halvy2013 (talk) 21:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New TV program 

message: Is there a reason that Glenn Beck is a part of the religion project? Is there some cult that worships him by sacrificing bloggers? Can we get photos of this? Soxwon (talk) 20:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He's a strong Mormon; we should probably remove the Catholicism. In fact, I'll do it. Upbringing is irrelevant if a person has converted and does not deal regularly with an issue. Magog the Ogre (talk) 06:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion? Really? 

message: :"Glenn Beck considers himself a "self-educated" man, and he did not attend college."
I thought he has mentioned a few times that he attended college briefly? (i.e. for at least a few days)--70.128.121.235 (talk) 11:17, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reworded. Magog the Ogre (talk) 13:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education 

message: I've started some basic cleanup tasks but this article still needs a lot of attention and any help is most welcome.  The criticism section was removed recently, while I do feel that no articles should have criticism sections (criticism should be interwoven throughout the prose structure of the entire article), the info the section contained may be valid so I am relocating it here for now. 
"Criticism
On November 16, 2006 Jon Stewart of The Daily Show criticized Beck's recent remarks during an interview with Keith Ellison, the then newly elected Minnesota representative and first Muslim ever elected to U.S. Congress. During the interview, Beck stated:
: "I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way."
Stewart responded to Beck's statements with "Finally, a guy who says what people who aren't thinking are thinking."Jon Stewart on Beck's remark to Keith Ellison: "Finally, a guy who says what people who aren't thinking are thinking" Media Matters (November 17, 2006). Retrieved on 3-17-09.
David Segal of The Washington Post described the Ellison interview as "surely [Beck's] most embarrassing moment" and a "stink bomb." He then speculated on Beck's popularity: "Maybe an attention-deficit host is exactly what an attention-deficit public wants. Listen to a few of Beck's shows and what strikes you most is the enormous ratio of words to substance — how Beck can monologue for minutes at a time and leave behind almost nothing except the impression of great vehemence."Segal, David  The Washington Post (January 26, 2007). Retrieved on 3-17-09.
By 2007, Beck's success on CNN had ABC wanting him for occasional appearances on Good Morning America. As reported by the Associated Press in January 2007, three groups wrote in urgency to the network to keep Beck off GMA. Arab American Institute spokeswoman Jennifer Kauffman told the AP, "That blatant anti-Arab, anti-Muslim bias has been given credibility on a larger news show is something that concerns us."Segal, David  The Washington Post (January 26, 2007). Retrieved on 3-17-09.
After a March 2009 taping of Beck's FOX News show on which he appeared to choke up on air, wiping tears from his eyes and explaining, "I'm sorry. I just love my country, and I fear for it,"WATCH: Fox Host Glenn Beck Cries During Live Broadcast Beck was mocked by fellow FOX personality Shepard SmithShep Smith Mocks 'Glenn Beck Friday,' 'I Don't Even Know What the Heck the Thing Is' and Comedy Central satirist Stephen Colbert, the latter going as far as to imitate Beck, saying "I'm sorry. I just love Glenn Beck's sanity. And I fear for it."The 10/31 Project The New York Times ran a feature piece on Beck later in the month, quoting an interview with Beck in which he identified himself with Peter Finch's "mad prophet of the airwaves" from the 1976 film Network, Howard Beale, and continually noting Beck's reputation as a performer rather than as a journalist."
Cheers all. L0b0t (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For neutrality, let's use lampooned, satirised, or humorously commented instead of mocked. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 18:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it. --kizzle (talk) 21:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So what happened to this?  //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 14:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned up the article quite a bit (mostly organization). If anyone disagrees with any of the changes, please simply correct the one issue rather than revert the whole thing. I also found: a lot of duplication, which accounts for the smaller section; biographical information out of chronological order, and so forth.  EJNOGARB  19:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article cleanup 

message: * .  Don't know how to attribute it in the article. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 17:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't.  It's just a cartoon someone uploaded to Youtube. L0b0t (talk) 18:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, it isn't just a random cartoon; it's from Current TV.  That must be notable -- it's got an article on Wikipedia. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 18:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, no cartoons via youtube for a BLP. Please.Bali ultimate (talk) 13:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind it's a cartoon, I just think it's still in the recentivism phase and isn't notable enough, but that's just my 2 cents. --kizzle (talk) 04:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: and the general election the last go around IMO could find a place in this article. (Somebody deleted the thread I already started on this topic, though.) Anyway, it appears he backed Mitt. (?? See here: http://committedtoromney.com/2008/10/27/romney-on-glenn-beck/ ). 
:
Does anybody have further links to fill in any other pertinent pieces? ↜Just me, here, now … 06:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of Beck's leanings/endorsements throughout the pres. primaries 

message: The current entry states, "He graduated from Sehome High School in Bellingham, Washington in 1982, and attended Yale University as a non-traditional student with a major in Theology.[9]" This implies that he spent a significant time as a student, which, as the GQ article cited notes, was not the case at all--he only took one class. 
The referenced article http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_5845&pageNum=6 says "With a letter of recommendation from Senator Joe Lieberman—who came on Beck’s Connecticut radio show several times and whom Beck voted for—Beck enrolled at Yale as part of a special program for older students, studying theology. He took only one class—the night before the semester began, he and his first wife decided to divorce, and suddenly he had two households to support—but when his professor told him, “Glenn, you belong here,” it was an experience that gave the high school grad a new sense of intellectual worth."
I think it would be fairer to say, "He graduated from Sehome High School in Bellingham, Washington in 1982. Later, he enrolled at Yale University as a non-traditional student with a major in Theology[9], but took only one class before leaving due to the need to support two households."
Heyamishgirl (talk) 20:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it would be fairer to say: "He graduated from Sehome High School in Bellingham, Washington in 1982 and took a single theology class at Yale University." The other stuff is filler fluff. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good to me.  I changed the wording to what it is now because the editor that added the info and source had misrepresented what the source actually said.  Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 00:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Any mention of his time at Yale should arguably be dropped per WP:WEIGHT. Little information exists, the source is weak, and if he really only attended a single class (in the nebulous pseudo-subject of theology, no less) it would seem that personal recollections of "really belonging" are pretty ludicrous. -- Scjessey (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I agree that this issue isn't particularly salient, you don't need to attack theology here. A class is a class at a university, and its perceived importance by an atheist doesn't dictate whether or not it should be mentioned.  EJNOGARB  22:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attendance at Yale currently overstated 

message: *"His success is pretty simple," said Robert Thompson, a professor of television and popular culture at Syracuse University. "He puts on a consistently good show that is a great mix of culture and entertainment, with painstaking research to back it up. Plus, Beck's show is personality-driven. People genuinely like him."---PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW ↜Just me, here, now … 06:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Columnists are not generally considered to be reliable sources for anything other than their own opinions. I've already seen commentary from other columnists critiquing that column. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Though the standards for BLP are especially stringent, Wikipedia:Reliable_reference#Biographies_of_living_persons states that opinion pieces may be used if they're identified as such. I think the quote should be allowed.  EJNOGARB  21:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see what value it adds. The columnist herself is not notable, nor is the academic it was extracted from although the academic it was extracted from at least has a stub here. We're not looking to add fluff pieces here. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't an overly long article and it characterizes his popularity. If the OP wants to add it, I'll support it.  EJNOGARB  22:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: the quote can be added if it is consistent with what the majority or mainstream thinks of him. how are we going to decide that. subjective. may we can add both opposing opinions of him. --Like I Care 23:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has a lot of criticism and therefore, balance is not a problem. the only issue i see here is the notability of the person who opined. --Like I Care 23:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A critique quote 

message: The page needs to be semi-protected.  Majority of changes are adolescent vandalism and reverts.E2a2j (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protect 

message: I submit that, as it currently stands, this section should be eliminated entirely. Where are the third-party sources? Where is the establishment of relevance and notability? There are three citations, all of them "theglennbleck912project.com", and none of the text states why it should be included. Zelnr (talk) 20:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, Beck appears to be trying to lead a political movement - an addition to his broadcasting, book/magazine publishing, and stageshow endeavors.  Group claims some half million people.  I'm guessing that there are third party citations - will take a look.E2a2j (talk) 01:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The 9/12 project" 

message: The television section reads more like a criticism section.  Do we need trivial criticisims by pundits who criticize everything (at least everything conservative)?  They seem trivial, and very POV. Bytebear (talk) 22:22, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Television section 

message: How about something about this dude's MONSTER ratings?
He routinely DOUBLES his ENTIRE competition....COMBINED!
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/the_scoreboard_friday_june_12_118993.asp
Wow! Makes a liberal want to puke in their mouth a little, huh? haha
68.40.123.217 (talk) 21:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings 

message: Glenn Beck's Common Sense: The Case Against an Out-of-Control Government, Inspired by Thomas Paine, released June 2009. 
Change to: Glenn Beck's Common Sense: The Case Against an Out-of-Control Government, Inspired by Thomas Paine, released June 16, 2009.--12.23.111.178 (talk) 17:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books 

message: Some - such as Cenk Uygur of theyoungturks.com - have questioned the extent to which Beck actually believes what he says, suggesting that he might be (in some sense) playing a role. I believe that there should be some acknowledgement of this in the article. 90.214.227.242 (talk) 05:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  For real? 

message: In the article on Beck's history there is a mistake in a date, given as 4009, that should obviously be 2009, just prior to the mention of the book "The 5,000 Year Leap" and its author. John Edward Mahalo D'Aura  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.50.132 (talk) 05:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: fixed. Bytebear (talk) 05:58, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date error 

message: This seems to be a typo. Please correct it if you have editing rights. -- 89.54.217.44 (talk) 11:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thanks for pointing that out. JoshuaZ (talk) 22:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "wrote the foreward" --> forew*o*rd 

message: This section is woefully in need of citations.  This is a violation of WP:BLP and I would like to see some references added. I would prefer they not be lumped together however.  I think we can present them in conjunction with his various shows, talking about what he emphasized on each, assuming there are third party references.  Otherwise, I think the whole section can be scrapped.  I am going to push very hard for reliable third party sources, so don't be offended if you think I am blocking your edits. This article could become an example of how to write about a controversial political pundit if we work hard to make sure it is neutral and well documented. Bytebear (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political views section 

message: Here you have a guy who makes money on outrage, who makes money on behaving in outrageous ways, and who makes money by saying outrageous things. However, the wikipedians religiously scrub this article of everything noteworthy in these departments. 
When a media figure flat out calls the leader of the free world a racist, it is *noteworthy*. That is non-POV, that is Glenn Beck's POV and it is a noteworthy one and deserves to be in this horrible article. Scrubbing noteworthy things that may cause someone's hero to be viewed in a bad light however, that is something that wikipedia should not allow.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.250.6 (talk) 02:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is totally bland. Beck is a controversial figure, but this article about him has been completely sanitised that an unfamiliar reader would be unaware of this. For example, he said that Obama is a racist,, and he asked the first Muslim congressman to prove he's not an enemy of America. I didn't need to look far, as both examples are from the first page of news hits about him, and both are supported by mainstream reliable sources. Why aren't they in the article? Fences&Windows 02:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a POV tag until we resolve this issue, which has also been raised by other editors above. A page about Glenn Beck is not supposed to be a page that is universally favourable towards Glenn Beck; notable criticism should be included. Fences&Windows 02:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not even criticism that is being taken out, it's notable controversial things he's said. At the very least, the Keith Ellison question should be included.--The lorax (talk) 02:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

text: From what I've read above on this talk page, it seems like there's only 1 editor who is preventing the inclusion of this material to improve the article. Is that acceptable? Right now I must echo (nearly) everyone' thoughts about how misleading this article is. General Epitaph (talk) 02:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a Bio, not a page for people to air their grievances, just because the left blogoshpere is currently up in arms about Beck doesn't mean that these page should reflect that narrow view.  If you want to complain, go do it on Kos or Huffpo or MMfA.  Arzel (talk) 02:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OR, we could edit this article including the well-cited notable criticisms like we do to other bio's here.  I think LIC's comment "so, the argument is it is not a big deal that a notable media commentator calling a President racist. interesting..." captures the essence of this perfectly. And complaints framing this into a "loony-left" issue are not helpful. General Epitaph (talk) 02:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you have issues with other article's comment on them.  As for this article, there is very little commentary outside of the left wing bloggosphere on Beck's comments about Obama, and certainly Beck will not be known for such comments in his obituary.  In other words, it's not noteworthy. Bytebear (talk) 03:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Bytebear, you've demanded that other editors assume good faith on your part, but you seem not to be doing the same to others. Though you may believe that the criticism of Beck is limited to the leftwing blogosphere, that is simply un-true, and 3rd-party reliable sources have been provided. You claim that "Beck will not be known for such comments in his obituary," without any evidence. Were Beck to die today, his criticism of Obama would absolutely be included in his obituary. Do you dispute this?  aubrey (talk) 06:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I dispute that.  Beck's opinion of Obama is not unique to him.  Many conservative commentators have ethier alluded to or made explicit statements to the same fact.  The primary difference with Beck was that his was on live TV and he is a much bigger fish to attack.  I find it most ironic that the left, which claim to believe in freedom of speech, get so irate when that speech doesn't follow their personal opinion.  Arzel (talk) 17:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is there a dispute to whether Beck has strong opinions about Obama et al? This seems to be a significant part of his persona and not in violation of BLP. As shown above, there are many sources that attribute this to him that aren't "left wing" blogs. At the same time, there appears to be an overrepresentation of Beck's interviews with Gov. Brian Schweitzer for some reason; Montana Beck fans perhaps?--The lorax (talk) 18:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Beck has a lot of opinions.  Singling this out is giving undue weight.  The alternative is to add every position he has said about every topic, which moves into trivia territory.  It's not that it isn't true.  It's that it isn't important.  If you have other sources, present them and we can discuss them.  If you have issues with other aspects of the article, present them separately.  I don't know anything about the interview in question, but that discussion belongs under its own heading. Bytebear (talk) 18:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Beck has no other opinion even close to declaring bluntly that the President is racist. To suggest that this is just simple banter is disingenuous. I understand you clearly don't like the left, but we're supposed to leave that at the door when editing wikipedia. As stated earlier, a comment like that transcends the left-wing blogosphere. General Epitaph (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, you are adding undue weight to a comment that many people have said and believe after Obama's comments.  Becks comments are not unique.  Perhaps, to you they are incendiary, but the mainstream media has not singled out Beck in this arena.  If you have evidence or references that prove me wrong, I will look at them, but I have not seen anything to validate your opinion. Bytebear (talk) 19:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  From above (the lorax): "Article on the comments by the Associated Press." General Epitaph (talk) 19:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

text: It's fine if you want to summarize on his persona by the mainstream media, but it is undue weight to extract examples that only serve to defame.  It is undue weight on those specifics.  If you look at the summary I made of the Time magazine article it is far more balanced and NPOV than the original purpose for the citation, which was to make him look bad.  A neutral point of view does not mean we need a balance of good and bad commentary. It means that any commentary is taken from third party sources and presented in a neutral point of view.  In other words, we do not give our own opinions.  And we do not add others opinions just because they make him look bad for "balance."  You have a good start on those articles, and I am fine with their inclusion if they are presented in a neutral way.  That has not been the practice of other editors, however. Bytebear (talk) 20:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's something I realize now I wasn't clear about in my earlier posts. What I think this article needs is to have those statements in there, and present them in a *neutral encyclopedic fashion*, for sure. Just don't leave them out altogether. I definitely don't want them included if they have wording to the effect of "look at how awful this guy is! look what he said!". Someone should be able to read this article, see those comments, and then make their own judgement. General Epitaph (talk) 20:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This statement is true, but adding undue weight to certain issues is POV.  Beck has made a lot of statements both good and bad, and we cannot include them all in this article.  The key is noteworthy and undue weight, which fails on the specific issues wanting to be added into the article. Bytebear (talk) 20:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

text: The use of the TIME and NYT articles in the "media persona" section tones down their stance too much. The article uses the blandest possible quotes from the articles as illustrations, giving no real indication of how many commentators see him. I don't want the article to be a hatchet job by any means, but it has to accurately reflect mainstream opinion of him. His views on gun control are given a lot of space but they're barely reported on, whereas his question to the Muslim congressman and his views about Obama have generated many column inches, and his 9/12 project is given a platform with no mention of the response to it from mainstream sources, let alone Colbert. I was cherry-picking criticism as that is absent from the article. Fences&Windows 20:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the problem I have with those articles is that they are less about Glenn Beck the person and more about his personality on his show.  For example, calling him a "mad man" is not accurate, but he does appear that way on the show.  He screams and uses props, but that isn't really about him as a person, but more about him as a personality and his appearances on his show.  They are better served if covered in those articles.  Certainly you don't think Colbert is actually like his media persona in real life? But even if covered in other articles, we need to determine what is noteworthy.  A mention of his gun control stance, to use your example may be appropriate if it reflects in his personal life.  I don't know how it does really, but maybe you have a source that can shed some light on it. Bytebear (talk) 20:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: did he really express his "racist" view on his show? --L I C 22:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand your point.  Are you saying if a news article covers the Colbert Report, it should be included in the Stephen Colbert biography? Bytebear (talk) 23:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I was under the impression he expressed those views when he was interviewed in Fox and Friends which should discredit your "persona" theory. --L I C 23:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He express them on his show and in the interview.  He presented some facts, his argument and conclusions on his show that week.  He was then in a short interview on Fox and Friends where they clipped that little sound bite.  Here is a source for what he was talking about (institutional racism), which discusses his thoughts on the Obamma agenda being about diversity, social justice and a method of reparations.  Morphh  (talk) 3:01, 06 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Morphh, you totally deserve a barnstar for helping mediate this dispute. I thought your previous edit to the persona section where you gave context to the comment was the most constructive missive in this whole edit conundrum. I think it should be re-added and/or ByteBear should come up with a compromise edit.--The lorax (talk) 15:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! :-)  To Bytebears thoughts above regarding Beck's media persona, I agree that more content and focus be placed on the show article if is tied to such.  However, I disagree with the aspect that such means removing it from this article altogether.  His media persona is directly tied to and the primary reason for his notability.  So as a person, for his biography, I think it is important to discuss this aspect of Glen Beck.  As defined in the policy, I think it should be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone.  I think it would be appropriate to have a summary of his media persona and place a  tag at the top or bottom of the section linked to the Glenn Beck (TV program), which could cover it in more detail.  I think adding the link for more details will hopefully keep this section concise and balanced.  Future comments can be assessed for weight, replacing the content with those instances that are most notable.  Morphh  (talk) 16:02, 06 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I will comment on your assertion of nonsensical logic.  You say, "plenty of people are known for things which are not unique." but that's not the point.  The point is, Beck is not known for his accusations of racism toward Obama.  In fact, it is a blip on his commentary.  He is far more known for his crying on air, which is why I have let that slide, although I think it is petty and non-noteworthy as well.  The issue isn't about defining Beck and his persona.  it is in singling out specific non-noteworthy samples and generating a list of trivia.  It promotes POV, and eventually becomes a "Criticism of ..." POV Fork.  Nothing good comes from singling out trivial examples of criticism.  The same thing has happened with the Criticism of Bill O'Reilly which is now slated for deletion because it is a trivial POV fork.  If you want to add a reference to the article, present the article, and let's discuss it.  The Time magazine article was fine, but it was presented in a POV way, and it was focusing on a metaphor used in the article as if that were the focus of the article, which it was not.  I corrected that by giving a NPOV summary of the article.  That is the way this article should be written.  That is not what you and others are proposing. Bytebear (talk) 00:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, you are sheltered then. :)  Beck has written several books, has a one man show that changes each year, and has had his own radio and television shows for years.  His calling Obama a racists (something that has been bantered about since before the Election (see Jeremiah_Wright_controversy).  It is hardly to the level of murder.  Bytebear (talk) 01:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Such traffic or apparent interest in Beck is not usable as a measure for notability.  Today much interest can be easily created by bloggers, e-mail lists, twitter, and other methods, which are unusable sources for wikipedia.  The measure for wikipedia is third party reliable sources.  We measure those sources with the weight of other events in Beck's life and consider if it is part of his notability and worthy of inclusion in a persons biography.  Morphh  (talk) 12:57, 08 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horrible Article