Talk:2006–2008 Lebanese protests

message: I need people to jump in and help keep this article up-to-date. But be accurate and don't use materials that violate Wikipedia and/or copyrights rules and regulations. Thanks. - Qasamaan 14:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

message: To call the current political crisis a "revolt" is a POV, as this is the term that is being propagated by the anti-goverment party. There are no elements of a revolt. A more NPOV title should be used. I suggest "protests".--Thameen 17:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but for different reasons. I haven't really considered whether the term "revolt" is POV or not (it could be), but really what is going on is a "protest", not a "revolt". During the two months plus of protests and sit-ins, there was one day of strikes, and a couple days of clashes. This is very, very far from a "revolt". — George Saliba [talk] 20:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title is POV

message: I believe that we should use "Pro and Anti-government" instead of "pro and anti-US or Israel or Syria. So I substituted POV with NPOV description.--User:Sa.vakilian 04:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my view, the correct terms should be pro-Syrian and anti-Syrian when referring to their opinion of Syria (which happens rarely), Western-backed or Iranian-backed when referring to who backs them (which happens rarely), and current government or opposition when referring to them by themselves (which happens most often). That's just my opinion on most NPOV names. — George Saliba [talk] 08:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: vakilian, I think you removed more than the protest.  Unless you or George object, I will bring back the progression of daily events with minimal info on proest. Lcnj 08:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it man. Also, I'm removing the suggestion to merge... since the articles were already merged... — George Saliba [talk] 08:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: George, I could always see your clear NPOV efforts by introducing POV of BOTH camps (In Lebanon, that is ALL you can do).  Now, suddenly the article is attacking the US and making Hezbollah look like a saint.  What happened in less than 24 hours?  Khaled. Lcnj 22:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I'm very busy at work to keep up, and on one side some people are reverting my edits and saying I'm too POV against Israel, and on the other side people are reverting my edits and saying I'm too POV against Hezbollah. Really, when it comes to such contentious issues, I think everyone has a right to their own opinion, and I think they should all be presented as fairly and honestly as possible, but the level of POV edits and reverts has been overwhelming lately. If you have time, please have at it. Hopefully I'm more free this weekend to go through these articles. — George Saliba [talk] 23:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood... I am doing what I can... Although I have no involvement either way and only want to see the delicate TRUTH in journalism, I respect and encourage everyone's different personal POV but I insist on NPOV on Wikipedia. Lebanon, hystorically, has always had confilcting POV's and many parties unfortunately engage in lies, deception and half-truths.  It is a journalist/editor's job to catch them in their lies and half truths and expose them (without being assassinated for it).  The only way we can all adhere to NPOV on Wikipedia and still incorporate conflicting POV's, is for everyone to cooperate and present balanced POV's.  You have been adhering to the NEUTRAL balance.  That means other editors cannot push ONE POV and not present the other in their edits.  Anyone who constatntly reverts, fasely accuses and engages in ONE single POV in Lebanon (his own) and not the other POV is making your job unnecessarily tedious and is in violation of NPOV on Wikipedia. Lcnj 01:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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I found a lot of spelling and grammatical problems in this article. I managed to fix some, but I need some Wikipedians to help out with the rest. Since it's been a long time since the protest started, I need people to help shorten or combine paragraphs asap. Thanks. - Qasamaan 21:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to help out here when I get a chance. Been a bit busy with other things, but this article definately needs some clean up. — George Saliba [talk] 21:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's one of the joys of my life that in the time it took me to log in to change "fractions" to "factions" it had already been done. -- Jon Quixote 09:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi Badawie. Great work so far cleaning up the article! For the most part I like your suggested rewording of this section. I'm not sure regarding the term civilian infrastructure vs. just infrastructure. It doesn't make too much difference to me, however, I think that most of the targets were civilian infrastructure (power plants, the airport, etc.), and only a few were pure military infrastructure (not sure what exactly... though 50 or so soldiers were killed, so there had to be something). Again though, I don't really care either way. I do think you should try to find a better wording than "seriously compromised" though, as much of the infrastructure was completely destroyed. Remember we're talking about billions of dollars of destruction in a country of less than four million people. The original wording may be more appropriate: "Lebanon's infrastructure was significantly destroyed...", though I leave the exact wording up to you. Cheers. — George Saliba [talk] 04:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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replies: text: I'll try to help out here when I get a chance. Been a bit busy with other things, but this article definately needs some clean up. — George Saliba [talk] 21:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's one of the joys of my life that in the time it took me to log in to change "fractions" to "factions" it had already been done. -- Jon Quixote 09:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi Badawie. Great work so far cleaning up the article! For the most part I like your suggested rewording of this section. I'm not sure regarding the term civilian infrastructure vs. just infrastructure. It doesn't make too much difference to me, however, I think that most of the targets were civilian infrastructure (power plants, the airport, etc.), and only a few were pure military infrastructure (not sure what exactly... though 50 or so soldiers were killed, so there had to be something). Again though, I don't really care either way. I do think you should try to find a better wording than "seriously compromised" though, as much of the infrastructure was completely destroyed. Remember we're talking about billions of dollars of destruction in a country of less than four million people. The original wording may be more appropriate: "Lebanon's infrastructure was significantly destroyed...", though I leave the exact wording up to you. Cheers. — George Saliba [talk] 04:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Does this article still remain un-neutral or biased? And if so, in what cases? We need to damage control. - Qasamaan 00:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: I just rated the importance as high. Please correct me if I'm wrong --Umalee 22:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance Rating 

message: There is something disgusting in the article is that politicians in Lebanon are shown to be anti-syrians, or pro-syrians.
As if in Lebanon, people are categorized regarding their "degree" of "syrianity", and not their degree of “being Lebanese”. Hope that someday this psychological problem could be overcome.
fpm here is also often categorized as "former anti-syrian" or even more surprisingly "pro-syrian" .
Well, The same thing could be said about most of the 14th of March alliance, where Hariri group and Jumblat PSP could be seen as "former pro-syrians" as they were during more than 20 years.
This kind of “Syrian-categorizing” of Lebanese people must not be so flagrant.
Regards,  Captainm 21:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 2 

message: It is not up to us wikipedians to speculate that the murder of the youths recently is revenge for the anti-government protestor. Also I find it kind of offencive to say that, when an official investigation did not lead to that conclusion. Stop pushing your POV, or what you wish you wanted the truth to be on Wikipedia. Read this article on Hezbollah's website, it says both parties agree that the murderers are unknown, and no one has blamed the other.
Hizbullah's Delegation Visited Victims'Families Ahmad Husseini 05:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *April 26, 2007 - After being kidnapped the previous Monday (April 23), two individuals (one a boy of 12) are found dead beside a freeway just south of Beirut in Jdara.  Both come from families belonging to Walid Jumblat's Progressive Socialist Party.  The killings looked to be reprisals for the death of a member of the opposing Amal Movement during the January 25 riot.  The murders are widely condemned. 
Does this actually have any direct connection to the 2006–2007 protests? I have doubts that this event belongs on the timeline. Peter G Werner 15:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision about the murder of the 2 Lebanese youth 

message: I'm not going to file a request for move just yet, but I wanted to bring up the point here anyways. I think this should be moved to 2006-2007 Lebanese political crisis, the reason being that while there is indeed an ongoing protest, the fact that the parliment is no longer meeting (and that the government is effectively in a deadlock and unable to operate) constitutes a political crisis. Just thought I would bring up the point here now to hear other editor's opinions on the issue, though I'll likely file a RfM at some point. Cheers. ← George [talk] 19:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
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