Talk:Auto trail

message: There needs to be citations that demonstrate the verifiability of this article. While "auto trail" sounds quaint and suitably of its age, this article veers entirely too close to sounding like original research. Please cite sources. • Freechild'sup? 20:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's any name that's more common than any other, since these were not regulated in most states. Several contemporary map companies used "auto trail":  Another company used "trail":  --NE2 20:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: OR

message: It appears that one early plan in 1911 was for seven roads radiating from Washington, DC to be taken over by the federal government, called "national highways": Washington National Highway (Portland, ME), Roosevelt National Highway (Buffalo, NY), Lincoln National Highway (Seattle, WA), Jefferson National Highway (San Francisco, CA), Grant National Highway (San Diego, CA), Monroe National Highway (Austin, TX), and Lee National Highway (Miami, FL). Although none of these were laid out as such, they may have inspired later routes. By 1912 there were plans for a Trail to Sunset (Chicago-Los Angeles), Overland Trail (New York-Chicago-San Francisco), Midland Trail (New York-St. Louis-Los Angeles), and Northwest Trail (New York-Chicago-Seattle), laid out by A.L. Westgard, Director of Transcontinental Highways of the National Highways Association. There was also a Pacific Highway (Seattle-San Francisco) and an All-Southern Route (New York-San Diego). , , and  look useful. --NE2 20:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Early history

message: shouldn't this also have a list of Interstates that approximate these first highways? 70.24.246.151 (talk) 06:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interstates 

message: I remember reading a newspaper archive stating the Malone-Montreal (or Montreal-Malone) Highway as the first auto road between Montreal and New York State. So if this is the case, would it be an auto trail? IIRC, the newspaper was from the teens. There's still a stretch of roadway in Quebec called the "Old Malone Highway". 70.24.246.151 (talk) 06:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malone? 

message: I am quite familiar with portions of this route since I have lived near the western terminus.  I don't recall it ever including a link to Olympia, Washington. Rather than just editing it out, I would like to research for any sources referencing this location.  I do know that the Old Oregon Auto Trail does roughly follow U.S. 30 from Idaho through the Columbia Gorge to Portland, Oregon and out to Astoria. It is possible that it may have included a portion which became U.S. 101 crossing the Columbia River to Ilwaco, Washington.  This is from personal experience and needs source information before incorporating into the article.  Due to the age of the Astoria Bridge, this segment is unlikely, and any ferry route is much farther inland from the bridge location due to the dangerous river currents. If I can locate source information, I would like to write the supplemental page for this trail (or assist another author in its creation and development). Refiner (talk) 11:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Oregon Trail Western Terminus 

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message: There is significant overlap with these pages. I have no preference to which article should be merged into which, but I feel like one article here is better than two. –Fredddie™ 06:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - They are two separate topics and should be separate articles.  Historic Trails deals with trails/paths related to foot or non-mechanized migration or purposeful travel from one location to another.  Some historic trails later developed into roads but most faded away as their purpose waned.  Auto Trails are different in that they deal with mostly leisure auto travel connecting one location to another.  They existed at a time when auto touring was increasing and motorists needed a way to travel long distances.  It was well after most historic trails had been discontinued.  Combining the articles would make it appear that they are a continuation of one another but in addition to having different purposes, they existed at different times.  Dbroer (talk) 15:34, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose per Dbroer's reasoning. We need to differentiate roads and trails of the automobile era from those of the pre-automobile era, just as we need to differentiate turnpikes of the automobile era (like the Pennsylvania Turnpike) from those of the pre-automobile era. I suggest changing the title of the "Historic trails and roads in the United States" article to clarify, but I am not sure the best way to do that. We might need to further differentiate between trails that were just dirt paths hacked through flora from roads engineered like the Roman roads, such as the National Road or the various pre-automobile turnpikes.  VC  15:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose, per above. Libcub (talk) 02:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Historic trails and roads in the United States]] with [[Auto trail]]