Talk:Final Fantasy/Archive 2

message: On the official Square Sites, it says Final Fantasy in capitals, why? --FlareNUKE 04:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe because the title of every game is FINAL FANTASY instead of Final Fantasy.  Officially it is FINAL FANTASY, probably it is trademarked that way. MythSearcher 05:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe, but some people think that all caps make it very annoying(or in your face).  I personally do not care since it got the same meaning and pronunciation.  However, I guss wiki's policy is to use official naming as much as possible. MythSearcher 15:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's often written with lowercase on the boxes, and probably in the official intruction booklets as well (I don't have any on hand at the moment). This is the back of the first Final Fantasy box, North American version. This is the back of Final Fantasy X, French version. ~ Hibana 16:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure, maybe because their PAL because the NTSC Strategy Guide had it in Caps, and all of titles are written in uppercase (then again there is no lowercase for Runic MT Condensed). --FlareNUKE 03:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Although the official site is in all caps, most articles about the series use mixed case.  The current use of title case seems best to me. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 13:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't it FINAL FANTASY? 

message: I think that a minority of the external links provided are not particularly helpful to people who wish to find out a range of different Final Fantasy sources. Why not include some of the better fansites (e.g. spirasdestiny.net, ffnet.org, and square-online.info) rather than an archaic Final Fantasy Wiki, particularly when this is a Wiki in the first place? Having two seems redundant, and the FFWiki is rarely used. Linking to it seems bizarre. (81.174.137.126 17:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is because wiki's policy is List only one fansite.  The External links section was supposed to be links that have information mentioned within the article as a source of what is written here, like the reference section. MythSearcher 04:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links Unhelpful 

message: RE this sentence:
"Unlike a typical sequel, Final Fantasy II featured entirely different characters, with a setting and story bearing only some thematic similarities to its predecessor."
It's my understanding that this kind of sequel IS typical in Japan. Maybe it wasn't back then? Can someone clarify this point? Bihal 02:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Final Fantasy games aren't really Sequels, persé...  They're merely installments in a franchise.  There are only a few variables that are constants, and regardless, there is never a mention of a previous game, or a future game.  Each game stands on its own, or they can be considered a franchise, but, there are no sequels.  The obvious exceptions to this is of course, Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerebus, and Final Fantasy X-2.  However, notice that the sequel games actually share the same name as their prequels?  It doesn't change the game's number, merely the title associated.  For example, with DoC, it adds the words "Dirge of Cerebus," and for FFX-2, it adds the hyphen and the 2 to the end of the title. -Emhilradim 18:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overview

message: Shouldn't the Final Fantasy III link in the third paragraph link to the DS version of the game, as that is the version being referred to? I'm gonna change it. Choogle 12:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS FFIII instead of NES FFIII 

message: "Many entries in the Final Fantasy series involve broadly similar plot points, such as rebellion against a major economic, political, or religious power, a struggle against an evil which threatens to overtake or destroy the world, or nature versus technology. The love between major characters,[21] and in some cases rivalry between characters,[22] as well as the death of major (and sometimes playable) characters, will also drive the plot"
wow. not like these are common themes present in millions of works of fiction, representing archetypes used for thousands of years or anything. oh no. theyre unique to final fantasy. hahahahahaha. vaguest section ever.
209.240.117.44 01:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't claim they are unique to Final Fantasy.  However, each title has many of those similarities.  How many RPGs have major characters die on you? wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 02:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Legend of Dragoon had 2... -Xornok 19:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Damnit, I just ordered that game and I see a spoiler. --SeizureDog 10:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  haha wow 

message: Aerith/Aeris' name might not refer to the Japanese translation of "Earth."  I have found several links between Final Fantasy VII's character and place names, and Norse Mythology, and these findings suggest that her name might be a part of it.  Midgar, as we all know is the large, dark city of FF VII.  Midgard in Norse mythology is the name for the world in which humans dwell.  Another similarity would be Nibelheim/Niflheim.  What does all this have to do with Aerith?  Well, remember that Aerith is an Ancient: a being of an old race.  In Norse Mythology, the Aesir were the chief gods of Asgard.  Transpose the R and S in Aesir and you get Aeris.  This is only my theory on where Aerith's name might have come from.  Thanks to anyone who will give me some response to this.  Outlawed Heroine 19:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aerith's Name? 

message: This is a video with the entire history of Final Fantasy game discussed.  Created by squaresoft:
 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spydercanopus (talk • contribs) 23:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great reference for final fantasy 

message: Note: I rewrote my original comment to be more clear about why I think more citations are needed.
Overall this is a very nice article.  However, it is almost completely lacking in citations.  It only has one actual citation that I could find.  Since this is an encyclopedia, we should strive to find proper sources for the content of this article.  A great deal of the article draws generalities about the Final Fantasy games, which therefore need secondary sources for verification.  Also, adding citations for other facts such as release dates and so forth is good too, even if they're unlikely to be disputed, because it makes the content more verifiable, helps make vandalism easier to spot, and gives the reader sources to find more information.  Read the policy citing sources and no original research.
To the person who deleted my tag, look at the notes section.  Most of those aren't references.  Most of them are just adding more information to the footnoted statement.  Furthermore, I'm not sure citing the game itself is a valid.  But, setting that aside, using examples from the games to draw generalities about the series without citations would technically count as original research.  In any case the article clearly needs more good citations.
I think this article is very well done, but this is one of the aspects of the article that seems to be lacking compared to its overall quality.  Thus, I added the tag to encourage contributors to add sources as new content is added, or to find sources for the existing content.  If you believe the tag is inappropriate, please state why.  Otherwise, I will put the tag back in.  Nimrand 14:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: As they have appeared in so many games, perhaps an article should be started titled "Crystals (Final Fantasy)", listing the games in which they have appeared and what their role in said games were? Drake Clawfang 23:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created such a page, but it is currently a stub. Help in expanding it would be greatly appreciated. Drake Clawfang 19:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crystals 

message: Think it should be mentioned somewhere how FF covers are almost so radically different between the two countries? Japan goes for a simple, artistic logo thing and America always has to have some kind of CG art of the characters. Packaging for other Euro countries tends to vary between the two, but usually goes for the Japan look. It seems to really reflect on American values (less art, more action!) and is pretty clear example of localization practices. It would be interesting if Square happened to have made a statement on this fact too.--SeizureDog 10:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  US vs Japan covers 

message: Do we really need such all the new information that has been added about Cid in the common themes section?  Several new sentences have been added in the last few weeks, some of them discussing his appearances in specific games of the series.  Because this is already a long article and we already have a whole article devoted to Cid, we may want to trim down the paragraph on Cid in this article.  Nimrand 06:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I was going to revert one of the latest additions, but figured I would wait and see if anyone else commented.  It isn't just with Cid, it seems that there is always somebody who wants to add some new detail, exception, etc.  I've tried putting some of those kinds of things in footnotes so that the article reads smoother, but I think a good purge would also help. ;^) -- Wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 21:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cid

message: I just came here to ask opinions if this link is worthy of being hosting on the Final Fantasy page, it's about the history from the first, to the current, providing screenshots and a lot of information:
*www.snesclassics.com/history/final-fantasy.php  
::Note: this link was later blacklisted due to spamming.--A. B. (talk) 01:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a nice synopsis of the series, but I don't think it justifies inclusion as an external link under the External Links section, as one has to be very selective about such things.  However, it you can find specific statements in the FInal Fantasy article that this link corroborates, then cite it as a source.  It pretty much accomplishes the same thing, and it improves the verifiability of the article.  :-) Nimrand 00:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy Series 

message: have you noted in the srticle that some charecters in FF apear in the Kingdom Hearts game series? Just wondering if you have. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.189.251 (talk) 10:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Duh.  They also appeared in Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, Mario RPG, Ergheiz, Itadaki Street Special, and Mario Hoops 3 on 3. --Sir Crazyswordsman 20:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  KH series 

message: Since there is a comment not to add additional external links to the article itself, I am adding this to the discussion page, as requested. I thought that links to reviews of various Final Fantasy games might be an appropriate addition for this article.
GameVortex's Final Fantasy Content - News, Reviews, etc. Updated Automatically. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dageck0 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy Reviews 

message: Most video game series articles contain "series" in the title, like The Legend of Zelda series or Resident Evil (series) and use the individual title for the initial game (The Legend of Zelda, Resident Evil). Shouldn't this follow the same pattern? Rhindle The Red 02:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Final Fantasy Series" will redirect to this article.  I guess an argument could be made to rename this article to the series title, and redirect the name to that. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 03:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I'm proposing is replacing this article (Final Fantasy) with the article currently at Final Fantasy (video game) and moving this article to Final Fantasy series.  This seems to be in keeping with the practice followed by most video game series articles. Rhindle The Red 14:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the motion.  It should be Final Fantasy series, as Final Fantasy may be confused with Final Fantasy (video game).  However, I believe that title of the article Final Fantasy (video game) should remain unchanged for disambiguation clarity.  --Daedalus 18:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title of article