Talk:Java applet

message: While this HowTo is usuful, it's incomplete. What is 
 appletviewer
and where is ist available? Is it a shell command?
: Appletviewer is a command line program to view applets without a web browser. Swirlix 11:04, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Appletviewer is included with the JDK. Plugwash 00:04, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

message: "Java applets run at very fast speeds comparable to, but generally slower than, other compiled languages such as C++, but until approximately 2011, it had been many times faster than JavaScript." 
1st Comment:  This sentence reads so poorly I can hardly understand it.
2nd Comment:  For those versed in programming languages, this sentence is reasonably clear.
I think the problem is a missing or misplaced comma. If you like commas, it should be this:
"Java applets run at very fast speeds comparable to, but generally slower than, other compiled languages such as C++, but, until approximately 2011, it had been many times faster than JavaScript." 
If you don't like commas (US?), it should be this:
"Java applets run at very fast speeds comparable to, but generally slower than, other compiled languages such as C++ but, until approximately 2011, it had been many times faster than JavaScript." 
Personally, I think that it is much better to use an unambiguous symbol there that sets the precedence:
"Java applets run at very fast speeds comparable to, but generally slower than, other compiled languages such as C++; but, until approximately 2011, it had been many times faster than JavaScript." 
Rick Jelliffe (talk) 00:25, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this even English? 

message: It has nothing to with applets, explicitly. It should moved to an article about the Java platform general. 131.193.224.239 (talk) 19:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am under impression that at least Sun-Microsoft lawsuits were mostly about applets. Already present runtimes seem not very important for standalone programs as the installer can always bundles its own specific version Audriusa (talk) 08:57, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Compatibility related lawsuits" section should be moved/removed 

message: Is it still bad to use the APPLET tag if you want to use a recent version of Java? - furrykef (Talk at me) 19:03, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: <object> is the prefered tag acording to the W3C, while tags like <applet>, <embed> and <bgsound> are all depreciated in the later XHTML spesifications. Actual browser support for this have up untill fairly recently been somewhat dodgy, but <object> should work with the latest version of most major browsers by now. Support for <applet> will probably not be removed any time soon though, so you can keep using it for a while still, it's just not "valid" (X)HTML acording to the latest standards anymore. --Sherool 22:45, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Last i checked applet was still allowed at least in the transitional versions (rather than the strict versions). on the other hand applet leaves you with a still real (though decreasing) chance of ending up running in the MS JVM which may not be very desirable. Plugwash 21:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The root of all problems is that <object> must be different for Internet Explorer and Firefox, and the work-arounds are such that the final result does not look nice anyway. A typical problem of browser wars, I would think Audriusa (talk) 09:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it not be a good idea to also include a valid HTML5 code example, with a nested <object> (IE) and <embed>(Firefox)? 108.22.250.31 (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  APPLET tag 

message: This page is stated to be written in English. I´m not a Native English Speaker, but, anyway, I would like to know what means the word COMPATABILITY used on the page. By the context, I deduced that it seems to be something similar to the English word COMPATIBILITY, is that right? Is it a cognate from another language? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.250.81.140 (talk • contribs) .
:The word was misspelled.  The correct word is compatibility. – Doug Bell talk•contrib 19:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  COMPAT'''A'''BILITY 

message: I'm thinking of removing the cleanup tag. This article is a lot more complete than previously, and organic updates will probably be enough to sustain it. Stephen B Streater 15:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing cleanup tag 

message: I think some of the links are irrelvant. Specifically to various links to examples and possibly the java virtual machine page. If no one objects I might delete some of them. (Perhaps leaving one example as a reference). Alternatively one could list various examples separately.
(Alexwright 22:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Realised link was already there (Alexwright 21:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it is better to upload some screen shoots because these links really die amazingly fast. This also filter out many advertisement - like stuff because (unless released by the software authors) a screen shoot is under free license only when the software also is.  Audriusa (talk) 12:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant links 

message: I think it would be appropriate to mention in this article that Java applets nowadays are generally not considered to be a useful technique in web design? Also state why such techniques as javascript and flash have grown more popular. 84.217.134.191 16:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. I added a sentence to that effect and this JavaWorld link: http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-07-2001/jw-0706-webstart.html Cmccormick8 (talk) 03:25, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mention that Java applets are on the verge of extinction?

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message: A strategic proposal has been submitted to allow Java applets in Wikipedia. It contains interesting discussion and a number of applet examples. Maybe some material may be migrated into this article as well. The discussion is also evolving very interestingly Audriusa (talk) 09:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Java applets in Wikipedia 

message: I think that JavaFX can be also an alternative to java applet.--PhoneixS (talk) 14:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be, and Java Web Start also. These are from the same company so less interesting. But of course you can add. Audriusa (talk) 21:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternatives 

message: I find it hard to believe there is no mention of the numerous viruses and trojans that exploit security flaws in the java platform.  You can get viruses/trojans simply by visiting a seemingly innocuous website that has a java applet on it.  Darktangent (talk) 09:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is now covered that there are multiple reports on finding and closing security holes, same as with any other more complex system. The Calendar bug has been already referenced. However I doubt if any Java virus or trojan have ever managed to spread massively through the world. Audriusa (talk) 12:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Security issues such as these change rapidly; more exploits are found, they're patched, it's a continual cycle and very difficult to keep up-to-date with. By the time wikipedia is aware of how an exploit works, it's most likely been patched in a newer version, or about to be patched. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 12:45, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Security Issues 

message: Not much mention is given to the method by which applets are embedded on web pages. On my computer, I experience some slowdown from the decompression of a jar file, vs the instant initialization of a class file. However, Jars download much quicker because they're compressed. This speed curve should be graphed somehow. 75.170.45.99 (talk) 04:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This depends on both connection speed and processor performance. On my laptop, it takes 0.018 s to unzip an average applet (time unzip neuron.jar, applet size 41K compressed) and 0.268s to download it (time wget http://ultrastudio.org/upload/Neuron-1.0a-372480bd-cfbc-30b2-8a0f-184648212b0c.jar), so I am not sure if any slowdown because of decompression should be noticeable at all Audriusa (talk) 18:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jars vs classes 

message: I doubt the lawsuit between Oracle and Google or the Open Handsets Alliance belongs here. As of my understanding it's in no way related to Java applets, which are - ditto as of my understanding - just an ordinary Java program with a special entry point. Maybe that would fit better into Java (programming language), JVM or so? --88.67.217.103 (talk) 21:23, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lawsuit 

message: The "game collections" linking to the page "Kurnik" seems inappropriate. You don't expect a page about a specific Polish gaming website when you click on "game collections" and this page doesn't even mention the word Kurnik.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.190.253.146 (talk) 12:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurnik link 

message: The article says "A non standard embed element can be used with Mozilla family browsers." I realize this was probably true when it was written, but embed is in the HTML5 draft standard, and that should probably be mentioned. - Jmabel | Talk 16:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been deprecated in HTML 4 and is standard again (added back) in HTML 5. The article has been corrected. Thanks for pointing this out. Audriusa (talk) 11:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embed nonstandard? 

message: i tried the example i cant get it to work. Every time it tries to load the java applet it crashes my web browser. all i see is 
"A Java applet example
Here it is:________"
I know i have java installed  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.230.138.227 (talk) 18:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Example 

message: The introduction seems deliberately to obscure the distinction between compiled and interpreted languages.  The implication that Java programs function in any way like C++ programs inside the computer is simply false.  In this context the lede is reminiscent of an advertisement.  Foogus (talk) 22:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the unref sentence and the advert tag. Didn't look like an advert to me anyway.  —SMALLJIM  10:17, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  um wut? 

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message: The whole article ignores that as of 2017 the technology behind java applets is dead.
Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox have dropped npapi support and AFAIK there is no way to run an applet in a popular modern browser.
Maybe the article should be even rewritten in past tense - "A Java applet *was* a small application...", "Applets *were* written..." and so on.
Emergie (talk) 08:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: and I have done it MORE!   The entire article, with the exception of the security section, is now in the past tense. Calumapplepie (talk) 23:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depreciation of the Java Applet API 

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message: The security section has serious POV issues: the author seems to be determined to state that Java applets are perfectly secure, and that the push for signing them was silly and unnecessary.  I don't have the energy to track down who did this, or why, nor fix it.  I redid the tenses in the rest of the article and did some heavy copyediting, but I'm done for the day.
The new section should ideally cite articles about specific vulnerabilities and their impact, as well as how they were exploited.  We need to find those articles about how much of a security nightmare applets were now, before they are slain by bitrot.  The audience of this article will now be young internet historians learning about the wild world of the old net: we need to give them further reading materials on the fall of applets. Calumapplepie (talk) 23:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Security section POV problems