Talk:Zafar Bangash

message: Bearian (talk) 18:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

message: The quotes need to stay in. When it comes to controversial comments, quoting is better than trying to paraphrase them. All of these quotes have been properly sourced. If it is felt that these quotes are being taken out of context, then the proper context should be provided as opposed to simply deleting them. (Hyperionsteel (talk) 04:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: According to WP:SELFPUB, self-published material may be used as long as it is, amongst other things, "not contentious". Most of the material in this article, is contentious, thus self-published sources seem not be appropriate.Bless sins (talk) 07:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:SELFPUB

message: I am restoring the previous version. Aside from the fact that it is not redundant, this version is better organzied since it has section dividers. Reginal Perrin's version had no sections, just one long article. This version is better. (Hyperionsteel (talk) 23:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Restoring Version that Reginald Perrin deleted

message: Stop removing the material I put in this article - Bangash's views on Israel and Israelis is notable and properly sources - don't delete it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperionsteel (talk • contribs) 23:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "I won't change it for now - since this would violate the 3RR rule - but I plan to restore my version at a later date." If you try to game the system of 3rr, admins can still block you.Bless sins (talk) 05:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reginald Perrin - stop removing my work

message: It seems I was too quick to judge Reginald Perrin. I based my above statment on what Perrin had put into the article at that time. However, he has since added additional content, including much of the content that was in my version. 
As such, I will not undo his changes - although I may add more to this article in the future. (Hyperionsteel (talk) 02:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New version seems to be okay

message: I've removed the first party material as it's a violation of our BLP policy regarding Original Research and Reliable Sources. It's not our job to do research and select juicy quotes from Bangash's writing. If a third party hasn't found the material notable we can't dig it up and use it. Please only use third party sources for controversial quotes. See WP:BLP, WP:RS and WP:OR. Reggie Perrin (talk) 12:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that by going through his self-published writing and picking and choosing sections you are engaging in original research. We're not supposed to use primary sources in articles and that's what I've removed. We should be relying on third party sources entirely. If a reputable third party such as the National Post or Toronto Star has published an article or column about something Bangash has said, we can use that. If such an article quotes him we can use that quote. But we can't just go through his writing and cherry-pick, particularly not if the quotations being pulled are contentious. Reggie Perrin (talk) 03:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No first party material 

message: Much of the material in this article, especially the contentious material, is sourced to editorials from right wing newspapers. That hardly qualifies as a reliable source. Unless, news reports can be found for such material, I'm going to remove it. I'll remove it fast, since Bangash is alive and this article falls under the guidelines of WP:BLP.VR talk 19:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editorials