Talk:Cecil Sharp

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message: Re:"In the later twentieth century, some folk song scholars, such as Dave Harker, Vic Gammon, and Georgina Boyes, have accused Sharp of dishonest distortion in doing this. These "revisionist," scholars, were doubtless in part motivated by an understandable reaction to the hagiographical treatment of Sharp in the first half of the twentieth century. Dave Harker's harsh criticisms of Sharp (and those of his "revisionsist" followers), however, reflect an idiosyncratic Trotskyist Marxist framework that views any and all folk song collecting, scholarship, and attempts at revival as malign forms of appropriation and exploitation by the bourgeoisie of the working class. The writings of these British writers (and by extension their adherents in the U.S., such as David Whisnant, Benjamin Filene, and Robert Christgau) are now themselves in turn coming under scrutiny as overly harsh, exaggerated, distorted, and unjust.[2]" Citations for the material relevant to Sharp would ideally be included in this article as well as in Ref\2.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 01:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: When I came across the entry for Cecil Sharp in 2022, it was immediately apparent that there were many problems with the page. The account of Sharp’s achievements as a collector of folk song and music was inadequate, there was no account of his significant theoretical work, the section on his political views included irrelevant information while omitting important evidence from his biography, and the section on the criticisms of his work was seriously unbalanced. Quotations from two reputable authors supportive of Sharp had been deleted without justification in November 2020, and tendentious statements about his alleged sexism had been added without balancing discussion. The article contained two maintenance templates flagging inadequate citation, some of the existing references were cited incorrectly, and the citations leaned heavily on a polemical piece by a non-specialist (Gemie, 2019) published on a non-peer-reviewed website, while omitting reliable sources. Sharp’s work has attracted controversy and there is certainly a need to discuss these arguments in full, but they should be covered according to the Wikipedia principle of neutrality and with appropriate evidence.
I have now begun an overhaul of the Sharp article, beginning November 21, 2022, which I hope will add significant information, beef up the referencing, and approach the controversies in a more balanced way. I will be more than happy to discuss this with any other contributors, on this Talk page. Lord Bateman (talk) 13:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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message: I returned to this page in order to improve several areas that I judged remained inadequate after my previous edit, notably the main section on Sharp’s work in England, which contained no information about his working practice, his theorising, or his relationship with colleagues. I then found that that a more recent edit had seriously compromised the balance and informational content of the article. I have attempted with this edit to restore those while adding additional material and cutting passages that seemed of dubious relevance (‘The Bells of St. Genevieve’ in the section on classical music, for instance). I have also added references to relevant research articles by Schofield, Knevett, Francimanis, Gammon, Dow and Harvey, and reinstated citations to Judge, Bearman and Gregory, that had been deleted without justification.
Details:
Introductory section: Added references to articles presenting counter-claims to the critical narrative.
Return to England: Deleted irrelevant passage about Emma Overd.
Folk Music of England (now retitled ‘English Folk Song and Dance’): Added context; more accurate account of Sharp and Marson’s collaboration; additional detail regarding Morris dance research and the quarrel with Mary Neal; superfluous information re Dorette Wilkie cut.
New sub-sections added: ‘Sharp as a Fieldworker’ and ‘Sharp’s Theories’.
Sub-section ‘Song Books for Teachers and Pupils’ retitled ‘Folk Song in Schools’ and clarified as to Sharp’s motives.
Sub-section ‘Bowdlerisation’: Minor edit for clarity, and citation added.
Influence on English Classical Music: Irrelevant material cut, reference added for Vaughan Williams’ use of Sharp’s material.
Sharp in America: some deleted material restored. Racially-offensive term removed but clearly indicated.
Political Views: Evidence of Sharp’s socialist beliefs restored. Non-political criticism by Broadwood and Vaughan Williams removed on grounds of irrelevance.
Criticism: Fuller account of Bearman’s critique of Harker restored.
I hope to return to this article shortly to add properly paginated citations. Lord Bateman (talk) 17:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major overhaul to improve content and balance