Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China/Chinese-language entertainment/Archive 1

message: Hi, I'm Azchael of www.rockinchina.com and I became recently aware of this WikiProject about Chinese modern music. I myself am hosting a wiki system dedicated to Chinese rock music, actually all kind of Chinese underground music:
http://wiki.rockinchina.com
It is by far the largest English language page in the web about Chinese rock and heavily edited by me and our staff. We are independent and this is a spare-time project of ours without sponsoring of any specific preferences, except our own musical taste, in which we like to add more bands than in other genres.
I know that most bands we feature are by far no famous enough to be included into Wikipedia and I see our own project as an extension to the Wikipedia knowledge. E.g. Having extended knowledge about Cui Jian and also featuring everything we know about Yaksa or Cold Fairyland. We also used information for e.g. Tang Dynasty or Xu Wei from Wikipedia and think of it as a mutual collaboration, exchanging knowledge!
Therefore I'd like to welcome everyone to visit our wiki system, have a look around and either use the knowledge there for the Wikipedia, or vice-versa add your knowledge into our system, for it is the first reference at the moment, when looking for English info on Chinese rock, punk, metal or electro music.
--Azchael (talk) 12:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introducing Rock in China / Collaborating 

message: Is there a user infobox (i.e. ) for this WikiProject? 
82nigiri 23:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can whip one out by tomorrow. Stay tuned. Arsonal 23:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, clearly. (rolls eyes) Haha. Pandacomics 19:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  user infobox 

message: Just a note - not sure if everybody is aware, but there is a current WikiProject proposal for a Cantopop WikiProject.  I just left a message there to say that it may not be necessary anymore.  Cheers.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, that was ages ago. Smcafirst has since hopped on board. Pandacomics 06:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cantopop WikiProject proposal 

message: I've been told in the past that links to sites with lyrics are against Wikipedia policy, because those sites violate copyright.  Links to official sites would be OK, so would links to English translations and perhaps pinyin versions, but not pages with Chinese lyrics. You may need to revise the advice on the project page in the light of this. - Fayenatic london (talk) 22:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I didn't get to this yet. There's been an IP user who's been giving external links to pinyinized lyrics, so I think that's a fine alternative, since the pinyin is clearly a derivative work. Pandacomics 12:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links to sites with lyrics 

message: It states to give award shows, musical genres, and notable singing contests Top importance, but what about record labels? Contests, awards and whatever pretty much define the musical industry (award shows - those who win dictate what's popular in the industry, awards indicate degree of success, genres - evolution of the C-pop sound, singing contests - in the case of Super Girl, it indicates a grassroots revival in Mainland China). Record labels aren't nearly as influential, seeing as they're the mere engines that make artists who they are. Moreover, unlike award shows, which have their own stories and such, record labels are much harder to search for, and frankly, are just rosters of artists. News for record labels will more than likely overlap news for its respective artists. I thereby vote to place record labels in the Low importance category. Pandacomics 12:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you talking about exclusively Chinese-language record labels like HIM and Alfa Music? I'd refer to WP:ORG's notability policy for decisions on judging a record label's notability. Arsonal 17:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...the question was "what priority should we give them?" -_- And yes, I meant the exclusively Chinese ones. Pandacomics 18:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, what I meant was I usually use the notability conditions as ratings for priority. Arsonal 20:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record labels 

message: Someone made an edit in C-pop#Terminology.  I know that region is a consumer market.  Are they really a production hub?  Benjwong 22:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I believe they are primarily a Cantopop consumer market, with SOME Mandopop. And by "some" I mean "not a whole lot." Pandacomics 04:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok great thx.  I had to verify in case the market really was expanding that fast.  Benjwong 14:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Guangdong a production hub?

message: I know some artist pages like Roman Tam saids cantopop.  Compare it with Jay Chou, it saids Pop, Rock, R&B, hip hop.  Would it make sense to keep it all consistent?  So that Jay Chou would say C-pop, taiwanese pop, mandopop, Chinese hip hop?  There are alot of categories.  I would like to help where I can at least if we can at least agree on some format.  Benjwong 14:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should, by all means, avoid the C-pop tag because it's so freaking generic. It's like saying, "oh that artist plays music." On one hand, if we just say "Mandopop" or "Cantopop", it'll identify which language (and in Cantopop's case, genre as well) it falls under. On the other hand, it doesn't tell what style of music that is played. The whole "pop," "R&B" and "rock" thing is just an attempt to put American equivalents to Chinese music. But honestly, no one wants to place an artist in a single genre; in a similar vein, many (if not all) artists dabble nowadays. I think putting in your suggested genres should be fine. Just as long as it's not C-pop. (Honestly.) Pandacomics 16:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So I can get rid of pop/rock and other generic names. No C-pop.  Ok that sounds fair. I hope everyone will help keep it the same way.  If an artist is 90% cantopop and 10% mandopop, I might even just have cantopop.  What do you think of that. Benjwong 22:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, sounds good. Cantopop artists releasing Mandarin albums are basically singing Cantopop-style songs...only in Mandarin. Pandacomics 00:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, see, slapping on genres like that really is subjective. We once had someone put "symphonic cantopop" on Hacken Lee's profile. Cantopop and Mandopop (and Chinese rock) are objective labels simply based on what language the songs are sung in. That's basically it. Pandacomics 04:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if you look at the well done pages of US artists like Limp Bizkit, they have terms like Numetal and Rapcore.  Nirvana has alternative rock.  The artists here should be equally as descriptive.  Faye has sung English songs for final fantasy games also.  But I wouldn't classify her genre as "English pop" or "Video Game remix".  But "Cantopop/Mandopop" seems basic enough to not offend any fans.  "Pop" is way too generic.  I think I am more concerned with getting something basic down + at least a template if possible.  Benjwong 22:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Well if you look at the well done pages of US artists like Limp Bizkit, they have terms like Numetal and Rapcore.  Nirvana has alternative rock." There are also many more US artists than Chinese/Taiwanese/Hong Kong(ese?) ones, so there would likely be more artists per genre. I mean, it'd be odd to have only three artists represent a sub-genre of music. I mean, who'd represent the genre of "chinked out" ? Lee-Hom Wang, and that's pretty much it. A one-man genre. Whoopee. I hope you can see where I'm going with this. Moreover, the way Cantopop and Mandopop have evolved is slightly different from how Western music evolved (aside from the recent effects of globalization and the borrowing of hip-hop/R&B). As much as we borrow from the West, it's still not "true" hip hop or "true" R&B in the American sense. Just my two pennies. Pandacomics 00:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Sure mandopop cantopop will be a start, keeping it simple. Benjwong 04:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Genres

message: I know this doesn't relate to the discussion board, but this is really the only place I've been hanging out so far and I can't find any other wikiprojects relating to TVB dramas. So yeah. Anywayz, I find that lots and lots of TVB drama pages has various forums and fansites linked to them. And I mean alot. From known ones like AsianFanatics right up to some weird site with only 4 memebrs or something. Should I do a major cleanup? I'm afraid of a backlash really to be honest. Dengero 12:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no official TVB drama project right now.  A few people have dedicated themselves to helping out here on en.wiki.  Some people created their own wiki at drama wiki.  That site is NOT under wikipedia, but started by people using one of the wiki software.  There is no copyright violations, no limitations and no way of knowing how long it will stay up. No way of knowing whether it will evntually scale either, but it has far more drama experts there.  I wanted to copy the data from that site to this site.  But the community might get angry. Benjwong 13:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: lol, you didn't answer my question lol ^^". Should I do a clean up or not? haha.Dengero 23:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah.  Sure. Benjwong 23:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm only allowing 2 sources. http://tvb.windy-goddess.net/ and the official website of the series if there was one. Dengero 11:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: woo, some....ahem....retard......reverted all my clean-up edits from yesterday >.> Dengero 23:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TVB Dramas

message: Someone with a HK IP deleted the image of Sunboyz out of Music of Hong Kong.  Is it a bad caption or something missing? Benjwong 17:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He didn't give a reason, it's an anon ip, there was no suitable reason we could find. It's good enough to be reverted :P Dengero 23:22, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A fan opinion?

message: I've created a template specifically for actors/singers in the Chinese entertainment industry and I've added it to Maggie Cheung.  Please take a look - :Template:Infobox Chinese actor and singer.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that image size fixed? Benjwong 20:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The image field should work the same way as :Template:Infobox actor - I copied the code from that template.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Before we mass deploy this.  It is currently missing a "Background" field found in Template:Infobox Musical artist. You can see how it changes colors whether it is a band, solo_singer etc. Also a romanization field could be helpful. Benjwong 04:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, presumably everybody that would use the template would be solo singers (since no acting info is needed for music groups), so I'm not sure how useful that field would be.  But I'll add a pinyin field.  The reason I didn't add it at first is because I don't want the template to get cluttered up with some 5 or 6 different Chinese romanisation fields for the person's name.  By the way, I've added the template to Leslie Cheung and Anita Mui.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I think this still needs the "Associated act" field for solo artists then.  Like Gillian Chung is associated with Twins, and that is what the field is for.  For group pages, we have to keep  the old templates, which has the "members" field and the blue band color. Benjwong 05:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we should leave the romanization field real plain, and let people insert hakka, jyutping or whatever for their region.  Pinyin is quite locked in. Sorry to be a hassle I am trying to get this exactly right spreading the use.  Benjwong 05:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, please edit the template to improve it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: No no, I didn't mean to imply we need to mass spread it.  It's just an infobox template that we can optionally use if any editor feels it's better for an article.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't mass spread it yet.  Give me some time to look at the code. Benjwong 19:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok I added a "jyutping" for HK artists and "associated acts" field for anyone who is a part of a group.  I think we should mass spread this now.  Groups should not use this, just individuals male/female. Dengero do you want to help? Benjwong 05:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I can I'll do whatever. Just say the word ^^ Dengero 06:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Side comment. With the "Other awards" section for things like song awards, I don't think it's a good idea to have awards for a group listed for all members of that group. For example, it'd be kinda awkward placing all of Twins' awards in Gill's infobox; it should probably be awards pertaining only to Gill and not Twins in general. Pandacomics 06:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I added a pastmembers and currentmembers field so it can be used for groups also.  So now everyone can use the same templates, groups, actors, actress, singers.  Only thing I still can't figure out is how to make the color feature work.  Benjwong 02:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually if HongQiGong can take a look at that line.  The code of "If deathdate is populated, make it gray".  Can we do a "If currentmembers is populated, make it lightblue"? Benjwong 03:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I've added it and put it in Twins (group).  Note that if the "currentmembers" field is populated, it'll override the colour scheme for if the "deathdate" field is populated.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I am slowly replace all the older templates with the new one. Added an origin field too to be consistent. Benjwong (talk) 04:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously there's no need to mass spread the template all at once.  I think the best way to do it is if you happen to be editing an article, add it in if it's appropriate.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

text: If the majority of the articles use the same templates, then people will know it exist. Whether I can put it on every page depends on how bored I get.  Is pretty robotic task.  Benjwong (talk) 00:31, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template 

message: The TVB series Steps, someone edited the name of the character Wallace from Stephen to Francios. I know the guy came from France, but I'm not really sure of the name. Anyone know? Dengero 08:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. Benjwong 02:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty sure its Stephen. Pojanji 10:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steps 

message: Serious grammar fixing required for Heart of Greed. Anyone game enough? :P I did only just pass my last english assignment ~.~ Dengero 13:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think maybe later if I ever finish these template transfer.  Could be a long time.  Benjwong (talk) 04:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heart of Greed 

message: After seeing 3 chapters of Marriage of Inconvenience I fell in love with Toby so I decide to create her page lol. Anyway, I used the new template for her, worked very well btw. Can anyone help me translate those awards? Whoever translated the awards for Fiona Sit did a fantastic job. And errrm....can someone teach me how to put up music samples? Thankyou in advance ^^. And I also created a page for her album Bear In Mind. If you want you can watch both pages. Again, thx ^^. And! One last thing! Can we delete/archive stuff already decided on this page like the flag one. Dengero (talk) 07:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gah! The speedy deletion article guys are on me like a bunch of hounds AGAIN. Happens everytime. ><" Dengero (talk) 07:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You should try using a scratch pad next time.  Just create a subpage under your own user page.  Flesh out the article you want to write before putting the content in the main article space.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Toby Leung]]

message: Please start tagging discography and list pages with . Thanks. —Arsonal (talk) 15:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discographies and other lists 

message: I was looking at the cantopop listing of artists. Maybe the page should be limited to mainstream only.  Groups like AMK and Dear Jane?  I really have never heard of them. Is it just me? Benjwong (talk) 06:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Well, on the flip side, what would we classify them under? Obviously "Cantonese-language singers", but I guess you have a point with the mainstream thing. But then, playing Devil's Advocate, people might end up making a case for the Cantopop-ness of a certain group (at17, for example, very much toes the line, as does Soler.) Along the same lines, would F.I.R. and Mayday really count as Mandopop? Pandacomics (talk) 06:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I didn't mean the category sorting.  I meant this section. It seems rather unfair to be listing AMK and Dear Jane when people like Daniel Chan does not even have a page yet. Other artists like Michael Kwan seems questionable to me.  Do you guys remember/know him?  Benjwong (talk) 07:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember Michael Kwan, and yes, he's in the same pool with Sam Hui, so he does in fact count. Pandacomics (talk) 08:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm ok. Benjwong (talk) 15:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair enough, but how would we define the categories of Cantopop and Mandopop (such that we can start removing categories from :Category:Cantopop artists + subordinate categories, and :Category:Mandopop artists + subordinate categories)? Pandacomics (talk) 08:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think he meant delete cantopop and mandopop.  If you look at international sources they will say 9 out of 10 times Four heavenly king of cantopop, not Four heavenly king of pop.  We are trying to be as accurate as possible, groups like at17 lists folktronica. Artists like Bai Guang lists shidaiqu.  Once we template-ize outside the canto and mando pages, there will be more people fitting the other genres from :Category:Chinese styles of music. Benjwong (talk) 15:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Popularity

message: Has anybody ever given thought to retooling this WikiProject to encompass Chinese TV and films?  As you know, there's often a lot of crossover between the Chinese acting industry and the Chinese singing industry.  I know it would be a lot of work, but it would increase the range of this WikiProject, and there are a lot of articles on Chinese films and actors that could use the attention.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe there's a Chinese cinema workgroup on WP:CHINA. Pandacomics (talk) 22:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but there's an overlap when you're talking about Chinese dramas. For example, List of S.H.E filmography technically shouldn't be tagged under WP:CPOP, but it is because of its relevance to S.H.E's notability. On the other hand, Jackie Chan is famous through movies as opposed to music. Arsonal (talk) 23:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a sound plan, Hong. I think it's actually worth trying out. Would you think that completely separating away from WP:China be a good idea? Because if we want to cover all Chinese-language entertainment articles, we have to incorporate Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Chinese-language shows from Singapore also. Arsonal (talk) 15:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we make this very wide like a "Entertainment in Chinese" group" or something?  This gives you room to cover Taiwan stuff without much problem.  It can include tv shows, game shows, variety shows, all music, films and possibly even video games (if we can find an expert somewhere). Or is that too much? Benjwong (talk) 17:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: "Chinese-language entertainment" is a very ideal name. I wouldn't even label a Greater China region.  I think as long as the native language of the entertainment is Chinese of some sort, it could be included. But maybe we should make it "media entertainment" to exclude comics or live performances like opera etc. Benjwong (talk) 21:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The name doesn't have to be as descriptive as possible, we can just specify the scope of the WikiProject when/if we re-write its description at the WikiProject's main page.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any more name suggestions? Any one opposed to changes? Benjwong (talk) 07:45, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Chinese-language entertainment" sounds like a good name. I guess discussing the time period we're covering would also fall under the discussion of project scope for later? Arsonal (talk) 21:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think some people may not have much online time during the holidays (myself included), so I'm going to create a poll in a few days to officially see if there are any objections to changing the scope of the WikiProject.  After that, if there are no objections, we can see what we want the scope of the expansion to be.  So far, it seems that editors who have been participating in the discussion agree that it should be expanded to include Chinese-language entertainment world-wide in the TV, film, and music industries.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I imagine we should include the film industry (movies) as well.  Otherwise, an article like List of S.H.E filmography wouldn't be included.  What I have in mind is basically including everything in the modern Chinese entertainment industry, which would include articles that are related to Chinese TV series, movies, and music (so celebrities would be included).  Many Chinese entertainers move through all three industries and their fans follow their work.  Heck, with the exception of noted comedians like Eric Tsang, I can't think of one top Chinese celebrity who hasn't been active in at least two of the industries.  All four of the heavenly kings have been active in all three industries, and even Faye has made movies and TV series, despite all the hype about her being such an "artist" (don't get me wrong, I still love her!)  But yes, traditional entertainment like operas and traditional Chinese music would not be included (though I imagine there are going to be borderline cases like Ding Fei Fei and Twelve Girls Band, but we can discuss these cases later if we do decide to expand the WikiProject).  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Side note about that S.H.E article, it's called filmography cause the word "televisionography" doesn't exist. Pandacomics (talk) 15:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have a "bot" to help do repetitive tasks?  Like renaming categories, projects?? Benjwong (talk) 16:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well...I don't think we have to rename categories. But the entire WP? Yeah. We could always...do it manually. Yay winter holidays. Pandacomics (talk) 18:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest putting in a bot request for renaming the project, templates, and categories as needed when the time comes. There's a couple that are related to WikiProjects, so I'm sure one of them can be used to help us. Arsonal (talk) 21:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Side question.  For a film in Chinese.  Do we leave it in WP:FILM and add this new project tag on top?  Or do we delete from WP:FILM? Wouldn't we be triple-ing the project tags like WPHONGKONG + WPFILM + THIS_NEW_WP.   Benjwong (talk) 03:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tripling it works. Currently, there's very few Chinese-language movies that will be a high priority in WP:FILM and the other region WikiProjects. By retooling this WikiProject, we'll also rework the priority/grading system, and I'm sure the article will get more attention from us than the other more generic groups. Arsonal (talk) 04:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok then I am in favor of leaving films out completely. I think filmographies can belong in WP:FILM fine. Benjwong (talk) 18:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The TV shows is definitely included.  But the films I am quite undecided on. Anyhow, assuming there is no disagreement with the names what do we do next to change this existing project group to "Wikiproject Chinese-language entertainment"? Is it a page move??  Benjwong (talk) 18:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably. We might also have to change the logo. On a related note, the WP 1.0 bot that manages our article stats will likely have to change somehow. I think either Hong or Arsonal set that up, so I guess they could deal with that then. Pandacomics (talk) 18:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am actually ok with the logo at Template:Cpop.  Any proposal for project tag?  How about   to .  It seems to be available. Benjwong (talk) 18:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about "cent" (chinese entertainment) or even "yule" (as in yu le, the Mandarin for entertainment, har har.) Just my two pennies. Pandacomics (talk) 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "cent" sounds ok to me. Benjwong (talk) 22:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I think there needs to be more contributors from the film area. Benjwong (talk) 22:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then we kind of have a catch 22. We need more contributors in the film area, but we won't know until we expand it to films. Pandacomics (talk) 22:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are existing contributors to the WikiProject not very interested in editing film-related articles?  I know that I am.  Anyway, I won't be pushing for this expansion if there are objections to include films.  But maybe other editors are interested in expanding into TV series.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:47, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind doing film articles at all. In fact, I previously tried to work on Jay Chou's Secret and Kung Fu Dunk. The problem is the lack of interest in people contributing significantly to newer Chinese films. Lust, Caution may be an exception as it was released in the US also. It's a pretty daunting task trying to find all these films and categorizing them since there are tons of film stubs out there. Even so, I support the inclusion of films because at least it'll be a nice way to consolidate them so future contributors who want to work on Chinese films specifically can find them in a centralized location. Arsonal (talk) 02:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can incorporate films if you like.  But I recommend you guys telling the Chinese cinema taskforce about this.  Or at least WP:FILM to acknowledge the overlap.  I am asking User:Tryptofeng  to come here for an opinion or comment.  Benjwong (talk) 00:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with films being included. To be honest, I  don't do much collaboration with other members, just the occasional article of a notable film or director when I have free time...so I don't have much of an opinion either wayTryptofeng (talk) 05:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I just looked over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Chinese cinema task force and it seems they use the tag "Chinese-task-force=yes".  Tryptofeng doesn't seem to mind the move. I really have no preference.  Is up to how you want to handle it.  It might actually be easier to co-exist with WP:FILM. Benjwong (talk) 07:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If we want this project to be truly encompassing the scope of (modern) Chinese entertainment, I am for including films. Incorporating it now will save later headaches of deciding to include cinema in the future. In this case, we can take some of WP:China's load and consolidate similar articles from WP:Taiwan and WP:HK. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think User:Pandacomics has reservations about including films.  He thinks that it'll spread the WikiProject too thin.  That's a valid concern.  From my point of view though, no editor in this WikiProject is forced to edit any articles or even tag any articles they are not interested in, but this WikiProject can be leveraged to coordinate efforts and standards on Chinese language films.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh. I'll change my vote to "support" largely due to Dengero's posting on the WP:HK talk page not knowing whether something should be tagged with the WPHK banner, because if we made a Chinese entertainment Wikiproject, it'd be pretty easy to slap on whatever banner it is we would have. But we'll probably have to find some way to distinguish top-high-mid-low separately for music and for dramas/films. We'll probably deal with that later once the transfer is complete. Pandacomics (talk) 19:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How do we make the transfer complete?  Make that Chinese-language entertainment btw.  Benjwong (talk) 05:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: So...are we retooling? Dengero (talk) 02:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we are. Most people are busy around this time of year.  Please give it another week or two. Benjwong (talk) 04:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's opposition to it, no?  I'm all for it personally.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Sigh. I'll change my vote to "support" largely due to Dengero's posting on the WP:HK talk page not knowing whether something should be tagged with the WPHK banner, because if we made a Chinese entertainment Wikiproject, it'd be pretty easy to slap on whatever banner it is we would have. But we'll probably have to find some way to distinguish top-high-mid-low separately for music and for dramas/films. We'll probably deal with that later once the transfer is complete. Pandacomics (talk) 19:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I am fine with the move.  Seems like everyone is agreeing now. Benjwong (talk) 19:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I support the move as well. Shall we set a date when everything will be official? Arsonal (talk) 02:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anytime would be fine for me, earlier the better. Dengero (talk) 02:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anytime is fine. Benjwong (talk) 08:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's particularly hard because either ppl from HK don't know much english, or we don't know enough about HK haha. You won't believe the amount of emails I received for writing an anti-china article ><" seriously they are getting brainwashed hard....Dengero (talk) 13:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh noes, the crime of writing an article that isn't one-sided. (rolls eyes) Pandacomics (talk) 14:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

text:  *Ahem* So is there still enough interest to get this thing going? Skyezx 02:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retooling this WikiProject? 

message: By the way, I just discovered this template - Template:Infobox Chinese Film - I think many of the articles for Chinese films are not using this template.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That template is actually just an extension of Template:Infobox Film. I personally think that the infobox could be reworked to make the Chinese name look more important than just sticking it at the bottom. Kung Fu Dunk is using the template. Arsonal (talk) 02:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we can see how it goes. If it's too much, we can narrow it later. Consensus seems to be pro-expansion. Pandacomics (talk) 20:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to be clear, I'm totally fine with not doing the expansion.  Like I said, I only want to do it if we can get unanimous support for it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 00:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Template discussion

message: I think we need to do something about the news where a photo was posted on the internet of her and edison chen in the bed. Until we write something about it, vandalism will keep going lol. Dengero (talk) 06:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gillian Chung]] 

message: A number of album articles have been listed at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English for needing translation:
*EMI CD + DVD Best Collection: HOCC - The Greatest Hits (CD+DVD)
*Free (love)
*Revolution (2R album)
*The Best of HOCC (Compilations)
*We Stand As One
*Baby Zhang#Discography
*Cantonese New + Best Collection
Please help in translating these.  But before we do that, maybe we ought to come up with a standard way to translate these album articles.  Do we list the original Chinese song titles first?  Do we then put in parenthesis the title translation?  Or maybe we do a romanisation of the Chinese song titles?  I'm opened to anything.  But I thought it would be good to set a standard so we have a guideline for how to format these translations.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do all mine like this  Dengero (talk) 07:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've translated The 2R album. If you feel ok about it I can do all the other ones. Dengero (talk) 07:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections here.  And in the future, I'll follow the same format, too.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, finished them all babbbby =D. Now time for some dododododotaaaaaa! Dengero (talk) 01:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standardise album name translations 

message: By just looking at the disaster on Aska Yang, I think we really need to set a manual of style. Now. (I know many, many other users have called for this. This is definitely not the first proposal.) Any suggestions? I know a Career section will be almost mandatory; same goes for our infoboxes. We still haven't established a consensus on categories, so I guess we can start on the article sectioning first.
:Lead - brief summary of career developments (e.g. Jay Chou, Jane Zhang)
:"Beginnings" - some kind of section detailing the article subject's pre-debut life; titles may vary (although we should probably agree on a select few)
:Career - music, film, etc.
:Musical style - if applicable and if verifiable sources exist. But if you're just paraphrasing things off the CD booklet, then I don't think that's going to be a problem. It's not like you have to prove that David Tao composed a song.
:Public perception - includes controversies, media praise and criticism
::Image - if possible (note: not all artists will have sources on their image, but you can include sources that describe their character in some way)
:Death and legacy - if applicable. Should be useful for Leslie Cheung and Anita Mui.
:Discography - I'd strongly discourage a discography section within the article, but if it's small like that of Jane Zhang (who has only two albums so far, and whose discography would not really take up any space), I guess we can just leave it. However, should the discography be split off to another article (e.g. Leon Lai discography), then we're going to have to link it within the Music Career section.
:Filmography - see Discography above. If it's short enough, let it be.
:Major Concerts - list only MAJOR PERFORMANCES. (any input as to what constitutes as major?) Prose here I guess would be optional.
:Endorsements - a full listing of endorsements is highly discouraged (not to mention it'd be horrendously long). Should be included under the "Public perception" section, or written as prose under its own "Endorsements" section.
:Notes - includes non-reference footnotes
:References
:Navigation boxes, should any exist
Pandacomics (talk) 23:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I'll join you guys after my crazy retarded exams which will be after June 21st. 5 assignments this month and 4 exams next month. I'm like the fattest crab in history. Can't even budge lol. Dengero (talk) 10:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yah I'll join when the project name is retooled / changed. Benjwong (talk) 15:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  oh my goodness. 

message: Is this going to be the place where we can put in our two CEnts? Har har. Pandacomics (talk) 01:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or we can archive this and start fresh. Skyezx 03:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, after all the link tweaking and everything... (T_T), we can archive the entire project and start everything from scratch instead of just changing the name (like what I've done up to now). Any ideas?Skyezx 03:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We could...I mean, it'd be a simple matter of copying and pasting everything, really. Pandacomics (talk) 18:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  looking at the new project page.... 

message: (Typo intended.) In the manual of style, I'd absolutely love to include a section on when to use the simple past (e.g. released) and when to use the present perfect (e.g. has released). Anonymous/new editors seem to be obsessed with using the present perfect for reasons beyond my comprehension. WHY? Pandacomics (talk) 18:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article "grammer"