Talk:Marvelous Marvin Hagler

message: Wow! Just watched the Sugar Ray Leonard v Hagler fight. It was very close but whoever wrote the account of it here, you'd think it was all one-sided with Hagler cheated from the win. I thought leonard just edged it.
(82.16.132.183 (talk) 22:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Biased article

message: "Hagler needed some gubernatorial help, but Arum pulled the strings, and finally, in November 1979, Hagler was in the ring with a world Middleweight champion."
I have no idea what the first part of this sentence means.  "Gubernatorial help?"  Hagler needed a governor to get him a title shot?  What sort of "strings" did Arum pull?  And, to nitpick, Antuofermo was the only world middleweight champ at the time, not "a" middleweight champ.
MKil 13:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: In the early 1980s Hagler legally changed his name to "Marvelous Marvin Hagler". There are court records and deeds filed in Plymouth County, Massachusetts which prove this. Should this article be retitled "Marvelous Marvin Hagler" and should his bio be changed to reflect that Marvelous was his first name, not his nick-name? 151.203.29.117 14:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal Name Change 

message: I removed this paragraph:
During the match, Hagler famously and repeatedly (and rightly) said to Leonard "come here annd fight you little bitch" as he chased him around the ring.  However, most boxing commentators do not blame Leonard for his careful approach as Hagler could barely be classified as a human being (he literally ate up Tommy Hearns' right hands like he was Pac Man).  
It's not in keeping with the Wikipedia style, and reads more like a bad forum posting than part of an encyclopedic article. As far as I know, Hearns still has his right hand, and Hagler certainly didn't 'literally' eat it.
Also, there's a contradiction in there. Early in the article it mentions Hagler getting knocked down, yet at the end it says he was never knocked down. Which is it? I can't edit this myself as I don't know...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.201.12.112 (talk) 15:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  : Juan Domingo Roldan is the only person to officially knock Marvin down in a pro bout, however he contends it was a slip, the referee (incorrectly) calling a knockdown. Footage of the fight sort of backs this up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.202.202 (talk) 13:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed crap, and spotted a contradiction 

message: The claim that Hagler made 37 mill. $ for the fight has no source and should be removed. According to what I heard Hagler got 13,5 mio. $ and Leonard 12 mio. 13,5 mio. $ equals around 25 mill. $ today. 37 mill. is more than 70 mill. today. So either a RELIABLE source (fx. a major magazine, not an obscure website) or I think it should be deleted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fightdane (talk • contribs) 12:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  37 million $ - NO RELIABLE SOURCE 

message: The ring was actually 24x24 and the gloves were 12 ounce gloves, so I'd appreciate if the Hagler fan that continues to cite the ring being 20x20 and the gloves being 10oz (I found that lie to be particularly hilarious, especially given the fact that not even modern heavyweights use 12 oz gloves) just stopped, because that level of bias - especially when we you're resorting to lies - simply has no place on this article or the site in general.
Thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callingdogsofthunder (talk • contribs) 11:21, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: George Kimball's Four Kings states "The bout agreement called for a 20-foot ring". It doesn't mention the weight of gloves but states that Leonard reserved the right choose them and that Leonard insisted on the fight being fought over 12 rounds. This issue needs to be resolved by citing reliable sources, not by edit warring. --Michig (talk) 13:40, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

text: This source states "They would fight in a 20-foot ring and wear 12-oz gloves in a bout over 12 rounds, not 15." --Michig (talk) 13:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

text: I don't have a favored version, but whatever we have in the article needs to be properly sourced. Your one source is a photo caption, and you think that should take precedence over one of the best boxing books out there? Do you not have any better sources? --Michig (talk) 17:51, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  In relation to the size of the ring and gloves 

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message: Anyone find a citation for the cause of death? 66 seems young for an athlete, I would not be surprised that he damaged his body with steroids! Blockhouse321 (talk) 10:53, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This information has not yet been released. I have no idea why it is not released. I think the most important question is whether it was due to some disease or illness, or e. g. suicide or homicide. I have absolutely no idea myself, so I would only have to speculate about that. Evidently the state officials must know because you need to write that down on some certificate; not sure why the general public is forbidden from knowing that ... it is weird because e. g. everyone knows the cause of death for Muhamad Ali, so why not for Hagler? Makes no sense to me. 2A02:8388:1602:6D80:C080:419D:679D:C9F8 (talk) 19:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We must not ourselves speculate about his cause of death, including on this talk page, and we must not include poorly sourced rumours. See WP:BLPGOSSIP (which applies to the recently deceased). Fences&Windows 09:17, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not on main page, eg under recent deaths? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 12:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Bokoharamwatch, there's quite a number of recent deaths, see Wikipedia:Database reports/Recent deaths. You can nominate his death at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. Fences&Windows 14:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Sources claiming bad reaction to Covid vaccine so very controversial at this point. Snopes says it is false rurmours. Kav2001c (talk) 17:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Claims of a bad reaction to a Covid-19 vaccine are not "controversial"; they are false.  Hagler's widow, Kay Hagler, stated that he died "of natural causes" and explicitly denied rumors that a vaccination caused his death.  The origin of the rumors is described here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-9360465/Anti-vaxxers-hijack-boxing-legend-Marvin-Haglers-death-aged-66.html HeraclitusEphesus (talk) 05:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Death