Talk:Feminist science fiction

message: An IP editor keeps deleting has now twice deleted what seems to me to be a relatively non-controversial lede sentence, which basically introduces the section. The most recent deletion (see diff) has an incomprehensible edit summary that does among other things mention me for self-referencing.  It's true, I did self-reference.  The IP editor had deleted material as "unreferenced" in an earlier edit (see diff).  I reverted the blanking, which was not well-described by the edit summary, and then went through and cited the material that was unreferenced, and pulled the cites from other wikipedia articles.  (See diff encompassing several individual edits.)  I didn't add any new "self-referencing" cites; just copied from previously cited material in WP.  The specific material with the reference to my cite is on Susan Wood (science fiction).  I didn't add it, and it's fine with me to delete it; I think the material is adequately cited otherwise.  
That's all just by way of explanation since it seems the IP editor is suggesting something faintly improper.  or whatever.  
But mostly I just want to document this in case the IP editor would care to discuss, or if some other editor wants to handle the issue. --Lquilter (talk) 19:22, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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message: ; prose - definite keeps
These all won awards, or have been cited repeatedly as examples, or were highly influential. 
* The Female Man (1975) by Joanna Russ
* The Gate to Women's Country (1988) by Sheri S. Tepper
* The Handmaid's Tale (1985) by Margaret Atwood (Canada)
* Herland (1915) by Charlotte Perkins Gilman
* Dreamsnake (1979) by Vonda McIntyre
* Kindred (1979) and Parable of the Sower (1995) by Octavia Butler
* The Left Hand of Darkness (1969) by Ursula K. Le Guin
* Sultana's Dream (1905) by Roquia Sakhawat Hussain (Bangladesh)
* Walk to the End of the World (1974), Motherlines (1978), The Furies (1994) and The Conqueror's Child (1999) by Suzy McKee Charnas
* The Women Men Don't See (1972) and "Houston, Houston, Do You Read?" (1976) by James Tiptree, Jr.
* Ammonite (2002) by Nicola Griffith 
* A Door Into Ocean (1986) by Joan Slonczewski
* Les Guérillères (1969) by Monique Wittig (France)
; prose -- up for discussion 
* Oryx and Crake (2003) by Margaret Atwood (Canada)
* Daughters of a Coral Dawn (1984) by Katherine V. Forrest -- 
** Very typical of lesbian SF of this period, and of small lesbian / feminist press works.  Useful as an example of that?  But not highly influential to mainstream, maybe? --Lquilter (talk) 15:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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message: I am also working with Daisy on the organization of the page and am currently developing a section to add to the recurrent themes section. I've got a few paragraphs in the works about gender and sexuality as themes in science fiction. There is a lot that has been said about gender and am working on trying to get an adequate summary without overwhelming the article and section with information that could be pruned down into something more concise. This is the first work that I have done with wikipedia editing and look forward to more feedback as I go along! 
-Sanyelle SanyelleLee (talk) 02:44, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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message: Since there is some dedicated energy to working on the page (welcome Dahlsto2 & collaborators), I thought it would be helpful to clear away the old discussions.  Accordingly I set up a talk archive (see the archive box near the top of the page).  Quick note about talk page protocol: Generally you start new threads at the bottom of the page. Cheers, Lquilter (talk) 15:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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message: Excluding Frankenstein from this list as it does not overtly push feminist ideas.  A women writer does not by default result in feminist fiction.
If Frankenstein pushes feminist ideas, please list them here. If none, other than woman author in a typically male author genre, then it is not feminist fiction.
Failing to include overt descriptions of sexuality in act or bodily description in the monster would be normal for 1800s fiction.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:D591:5F10:3C12:5EA9:492E:F031 (talk) 06:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exclude Frankenstein 

message: I thoroughly enjoyed reading this article, and I strongly recommend that we add to it mention of one of the very first science fiction authors to present women as equals to men, James H. Schmitz.  Although known most widely for the silly Witches of Karres novel, that was not his best work.  Not even his most famous character (Telzey Amberdon and friends) belongs in this article, but the article absolutely ought to include Nyles Etland from Schmitz' The Demon Breed, and possibly the females in a couple other of his novels.  Schmitz specialized in strong female characters, but the Nyles Etland character in The Demon Breed was ultra-competent and represents to this day what every woman can strive to be.  And he wrote it in 1968.  The Demon Breed (aka The Tuvela) is probably his least known story because in order to read it, one must learn about the complex environment of the planet on which it takes place.  Nyles Etland had no special advantages such as psionic powers.  It was her intelligence and intimate knowledge of her home environment, as well as of science, and of another person involved, that allowed the Nyles Etland character to defeat an alien invasion.  In my opinion, the gender of the author is not the point here--but the theme of feminist equality is--and by this theme, Schmitz should be included here.  The Demon Breed, and all the other stories by Schmitz, precede James Tiptree Jr's ultra-feminist "The Women Men Don't See" (and all her other writings) by several years. Harborsparrow (talk) 15:04, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of James H. Schmitz' 1968 novel The Demon Breed?