Talk:High-speed rail in Europe

message: What purpose does this article serve that is not already covered by High-speed rail by country?  I could understand the need for an article discussing the ongoing integration of services and networks between countries, but that's not what the article currently does.  Alcuin (talk) 17:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's precisely what this article should do eventually, as the unique situation with Europe attempting to harmonise and increase high-speed rail across international borders means an article is called for which delivers far more than the brief overview of the other article you mentioned. However, whilst it grows, most of the information here will be culled from other articles, so it will take a while for it to stand on its own feet as it were. Grunners (talk) 18:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I intend to shape the article so that it focuses on the emerging European HSR network, then. Alcuin (talk) 20:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is a mess currently. This should not be a historical summary with sections like 'France leads the way', rather, it should be a summary of high speed rail in Europe per country. After all, people get directed here from the High-speed rail by country article, and expect to find a summary of high speed rail in Europe here. If you want to discuss the integration of the European high speed rail network between European countries, I propose to do this in a seperate article. --Joop20 (talk) 15:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Future transport developments are not usually kept in a separate article when there is already an existing article covering the subject. Future integration of European high speed rail belongs as a sub-section of this article. MickMacNee (talk) 15:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Are you referring to the High-speed rail by country article? And what exactly do you mean with future transport developments? These should be discussed in the Planned high-speed rail by country article.--Joop20 (talk) 17:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The European push towards integration of existing networks for a pan European HSR network, not entire planned new systems by country, hence 'in Europe'. It's explained in the lead paragraph. MickMacNee (talk) 18:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay, I get you now. However, according to me the push towards integration of existing networks in Europe should be discussed in a seperate section of this article, just like the history of the European high speed rail network. The main goal of this article is not to describe integration of the European rail network, rather to summarize high speed rail in Europe per country. Joop20 (talk) 18:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: On second thought, I think the history section of this article should be deleted. The main High-speed rail article already contains a history secction, and it is more appropriate here. Moreover, the current section does not contain any information on the history of high speed rail in Europe in specific.--Joop20 (talk) 18:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Haha, and I haven't got a clue what you're saying now. First of all, which three articles are you talking about. Secondly, sometime the choice was made to discuss high speed rail in Europe in a seperate article from the High-speed rail by country, see the discussion above. I don't agree with it being seperate articles, but we have them now. Regarding planned systems, these are discussed in the Planned high-speed rail by country article. And notice I've was talking about sections in this article, not about seperate articles, in my previous two comments.--Joop20 (talk) 18:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this article necessary? 

message: I've traveled around in Europe by train a bit, and the trip from Hamburg to Freiburg, the speed rarely dropped below 300km/h (they have information monitors on the trains showing speeds), so the map of Germany seem outdated. Also with Norway, the map shows parts of Vestfoldbanen (south of Oslo) as high-speded (>200km/h). This rail standard there doesn't allow these speeds, even if the trains servicing there do. Rkarlsba (talk) 12:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I travel the north-south route very often (the last time about two weeks ago), and I know it never reaches more than 250 km/h. These tracks are constructed for a maximum speed of 280 km/h - more would not be allowed by the federal railroad administration. I think you mistook some numbers there. Maybe you looked at the screens when you travelled the Frankfurt-Cologne-Line? (Sorry for not logging in, it somehow doesnt work right now). 129.206.185.112 (talk) 11:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Make sure that this article and the country articles are updated, becasue they (and :de:Schnellfahrstrecke) are used as source for the map, with some delay, to make some change time to be accepted. Right now High-speed rail in Spain is not updated. --BIL (talk) 20:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the hint, High-speed rail in Spain is now updated. :) --Megustalastrufas (talk) 09:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Because it's not a high-speed line (speed below 200 km/h) --FlyAkwa (talk) 10:42, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Maps are updated by volunteers. Would you like to do it? bobrayner (talk) 21:12, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map errors 

message: Currently the article reads:
The first line aimed to connect İstanbul to Ankara (via Eskişehir) reducing the travel time from 6 – 7 hours to 3 hours 10 minutes. Eskişehir-Ankara line has started operating regular services on March 14th 2009 with a maximum speed of 250 km/h being the first High Speed Rail Service in Turkey making Turkish State Railways the 6th national rail company to offer HSR services in Europe.
Although part of Turkey lies in Europe, this stretch of rail lies entirely in Asia.Ordinary Person (talk) 06:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Eskişehir-Ankara not in Europe

message: I notice in the last week two sections for croatia and bulgaria have been removed because the lines they deal with are 200km/h and the deleter felt these were not "really" high-speed. whilst I agree that 200km/h isn't really modern high-speed rail, my understanding is that 200km/h is the threshold used by wikipedia to define high-speed rail. as such, I will revert the edits if no one objects?Olyus (talk) 13:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not. Revert away! --NorthernCounties (talk) 14:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 200km/h removals

message: The UK section of this article claims the eurostar supports two voltages but the article on the trains (British Rail Class 373) claims they support four... 80.0.68.41 (talk) 02:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed.--BIL (talk) 09:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  eurostar voltage 

message: I appreciate the effort of adding the charts with the lines under construction, but I think they are a bit misleading. After a paragraph explaining the extent of the network in the country one would expect a chart of existing lines. Maybe this chart belongs in the specific article for the respective country. Or maybe all lines (existing and future) should be in the chart, or at least, the charts should have a title explaining what to expect in them.--Megustalastrufas (talk) 08:13, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  the new charts, lines under construction 

message: This article looks like a duplication of effort and I think some of it ought to be merged into this article and other things moved into the articles for individual countries. Then the High-speed rail in Europe link should redirect to the Europe section of the High-speed rail article. What do you think? Both articles contain efforts listed by country and it creates a maintenance nightmare. AadaamS (talk) 21:26, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: TR2013, have you edited with another account before? Perhaps an account which is permabanned? bobrayner (talk) 00:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

text: I agree; we have a problem with duplicated content. bobrayner (talk) 12:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's a larger problem than I realised when I posted this merge suggestion. Perhaps I should raise this with Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains? (I leave this link here so I can go to that project in the future). AadaamS (talk) 12:32, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

text:  Have started a new discussion in Wikiproject Trains talk page. AadaamS (talk) 10:41, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge this article into into "High-speed rail/Europe" section 

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message: References to Fyra in the Dutch and Belgian sections are now obsolete as the Fyra project has now been abandoned. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 21:36, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
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message: Should there be a table of travel times, similar to High-speed_rail_in_Germany#Travel_times, maybe at the end of the "Integration" section? I think it would be informative to have a table showing travel times between the most important hubs (Paris, Marseilles, Toulouse, Barcelona, Madrid, London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Berlin, Munich, Hamburg, Cologne, Zürich, Vienna, Milano, Rome, etc. - quite a few of them, actually). Or maybe, given the (growing) number destinations, it would be better to display travel times as a list rather than a matrix? In any case, I think it would be convenient to have this kind of information aggregated in one place and ready at a glance. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 06:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Travel Times 

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message: I am wondering about the order in which the countries are listed, particularly the early ones. 
:It is not alphabetical by country name in English, as that would result in: France, Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom. 
:Nor is it arranged in order of "appearance", as the order (for HSR as defined in the article itself, i.e. >200 km/h) would be: United Kingdom, Italy, France, Germany, Spain. (I think, as derived from each of the country sections - please comment)
:France would go first if the threshold were 250 km/h, followed by Germany, Spain, United Kingdom and Italy. (possibly)
:It is not in order of network length as that would be: Spain, France, United Kingdom, Germany, Italy.
:What do you think is the most adequate order?
I think order of appearance is the way to go, and that it would be good to write a paragraph about it in the intro to the section, but I'd rather we discuss this here before implementing. The date of "appearance" in each country may be controversial, and would need to be agreed. Please comment. --Megustalastrufas (talk) 10:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country order 

message: I have never experienced a train in the Netherlands, Randstad, going more than 160-180 km/per hour (Rotterdam-Amsterdam via Schiphol), Eurostar from Paris slows down to around 150 from 300 once it enters Belgium and later the Nerherlands. The article and the maps contained are completely out of proportion to reality. The map shows the speed of certain tracks in the Netherlands to be 270-300 kmh but the article states further that not even 200 kmh is possible due to not high enough voltage. 
It doesn't seem that this article is in any way reliable. The reality and sources of information available about Dutch tracks completely don't stick to what is written here. Even Dutch sources say 140 kmh is actually the maximum. 270-300kmh shown on the map is utterly senseless. And it's only the Netherlands. Other countries might be similarly not accurately shown. The fact that Eurostar goes 300 in France doesn't mean it goes 300 in the Netherlands and Belgium. It's simply not possible and the article shows false data.
https://nos.nl/op3/artikel/2227785-waarom-schieten-kilometers-spoor-maar-met-140-onder-je-door
https://www.rtvdrenthe.nl/nieuws/143517/trein-naar-randstad-moet-uiteindelijk-250-km-u-kunnen-rijden 45.93.75.81 (talk) 20:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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message: could you please provide a definition for the ref you named "FBC"? -- Fyrael (talk) 03:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed it now ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 14:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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