Talk:The Crossroads of Destiny

message: Quote on Celestial Avatar Spirit Aang: "This colossal figure
represents Aang's mastery of the Avatar State. Aang encounters this
giant version of himself in space during his meditation on the seventh
chakra (pure cosmic energy.) The first time he meditates, (in 2.19)
Aang has a vision of Katara in trouble and has to abandon his celestial
twin. The second time he meditates, (in 2.20) Aang is interrupted when
Azula shoots him with lightning. In both cases, Aang is unable to clear the chakra and master the Avatar State."
This is precisely what I've been saying ever since the season finale. And now the official website confirms it. Someone please edit this page (and the Aang page) so that it's more accurate. (NOTE: I am not a Kataanger. I'm neutral to ships.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.84.14.4 (talk) 04:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I strongly agree with you and so do mot people here. However, the Nick website has been wrong in many cases. I don't think they'd screw something this big up though. -Dylan0513 11:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Info from the Nick.com website: Aang did not master the Avatar state or give up Katara 

message: I don't think the season finale is going to end in break dancing... Someone should remove that- but not me because... I just don't want to be yelled at (but watch me be yelled at anyway...)
:LOL! Idiots putting stupid things. That would be hilarious though. -Dylan0513 00:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: there are a lot more absurd things that have have been put on if i think about i am going to see if its the same person thought the last one cited nick as the source but they used the same link thats links to nicks schedule page that was used in the next section to make it seem legit, i am not going to be surprised if the page gets protected in the next few days NekrosKoma 01:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Break Dancing? 

message: Please do not add synopsizes of trailers. While they may be interesting, such trailers are often patched together by networks to be deceptive. In addition, we have no way to tell which scenes are in "The Guru" and which are in "The Crossroads of Destiny".--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 04:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very true. An example of that is seeing Zuko and Katara in the cave in the trailer at the end of The Earth King and in the latest trailer we learn Azula and Iroh are there too. -Dylan0513 13:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Then again, Azula and Iroh may just be a hallucination as part of Zuko's internal conflict, like the red and blue dragons in his dream in the previous episode (The Earth King). Stretchyrubberbands 16:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there definitely there. Watch the trailer. And from the latest on the new episode, Zuko is over his conflict at the very beginning of the Guru. -Dylan0513 16:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't get it, why are they posting that Zuko attacks Iroh? It doesn't look that way at all. It looks like Iroh is creating the fire more than it does him sucking it up or something. Eh, we'll see on the 5th. (By the way ZUKO STILL HAS HIS SCAR IN THAT PREVIEW!) H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 19:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe not for long. This could all take place during the Guru. Katara probably won't be able to heal Zuko's scar right away. And Zuko's scar being gone symbolizes him being a new person and taking a new path. -Dylan0513 21:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, and they are separate episodes with separate pages so there would be no where to put it. -Dylan0513 00:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop adding things about the trailers. 

message: We've got out work cut out for us with this one. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 02:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, wow. I still haven't recovered yet. Tv.com's avatar page is down is down, Distant Horizon's forum is down, avatar spirit is down. Imagine what'll happen here. -Dylan0513 02:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: We appear pretty much screwed right now, I thought it was my own internet connection but I guess all the fansites are down mysteriously. Anyone wanna play the waiting game? 71.252.239.70 02:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, my forum is open!!!: http://avatargroup.free-[takethisout]forums.org/ XD Come and join! XD!!! j/kj/kj/k-Dylan0513 02:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I will spend the rest of the evening righting up some good synopsis, and post them later on. 66.231.129.92 02:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, I'm going to wait this one out, and edit in the morning. One thing we really need to do it shorten back the short summary. -Dylan0513 02:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: XD, probably but I've got avatar websites in 5 windows seeing what has crashed, XD. Right now it's everything and it's already been 50 minutes! The Main Avatar article has moved up 5 popularity spots for December since the finale to 92, XD. -Dylan0513 02:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy crap I hd no idea the main was that far up in the first place...Whydoit  (Strangle Me for My Mistakes) 03:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's only for one day so far though. It has made the top 100 in October though. Avatar is pretty popular here. I'd say second TV show right behind Naruto. -Dylan0513 03:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Nope, XD. It probably was him, but it's still speculation. It might have been Bato or something. -Dylan0513 03:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, we finally know that it isn't Bato for sure.  We saw Bato's arm tonight covered in burns, the guy on the ship didn't have any burns.  Oh well, I'm not going to start a war over it, just happy that there's on less possibility, lol.  Good luck you guys fighting off the legions of shippers that are going to start attacking off of this one.  I'll probably pop in and fix gramatical errors if I can, but the synapsis is up to you guys.  Again, good luck and my hat's off to you guys and gals.--TriPredRavage 03:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, it'll be quite a battle, XD. Too bad I'll be gone most of Saturday and Sunday, good luck everyone! XD -Dylan0513 03:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh... thanks. "H2P, Fyre, Y BCZ, here is a sword and a shield. Good luck fuckers". H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 03:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, XD. I may be able to go on a little but I won't be able to be on a computer most of the weekend. I actually am having fun deleting the spam, XD. -Dylan0513 03:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather be playing Zelda, but I feel I have a moral oblication to prevent stupidity. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 03:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, XD. I'd rather be playing Wii and Zelda too. It' good to actually get something done and fun to delete the noobs, xD. -Dylan0513 03:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reactions? 

message: Do you guys think there's gonna be a 4th book. Do you think Zuko has a bigger plan in mind for Azula? Boywonder18 05:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean double-cross her?  They wouldn't have us waiting that long (to a new season) for it. Kochdude388 19:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps season 3 will be based on Aang learning fire bending, and season 4 could be based on Aang's fight against the fire lord. There are some facts that disprove this however.Ashto 17:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the creators have planned to have Aang's first major conflict (Fire Lord) finished in three seasons.  Ejg930 04:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Aang did not die, therefore nothing happened to his power or bending abilities at all. -Dylan0513 22:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Well if you watch the episode over and over again, during the battle scene Katara & Aang VS Azula where Katara says "I thought you changed" and he says "I did" I saw that as "I'm going to double-cross Azula." Ah, hopeful fangirlism... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.160.116.44 (talk) 01:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Never trust that site, ever. Season 3 will most likely start airing in late April or early May. -Dylan0513 20:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's enough rumors floating around that I'd take anything with a grain of salt.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We do know for sure that January rumors are completely untrue. I'd go with the most reliable person in the whole Avatar online community and who has a direct source from Avatar on this one, Pooldude. -Dylan0513 21:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's of course assuming Nick won't change the plans last second (which they've only done about a million times. ;P)--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but as Pooldude has explained, Nick was indecisive in deciding on whether or not to renew avatar which caused the start of production of season 3 to be delayed. (Why would Nick ever think about not renewing their show with the 2nd best ratings? Maybe to get the statistics half way of season 2 or something.) So if Nick decides to change it, it would be later, not earlier. -Dylan0513 21:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dylan this is the same station that canceled Invader Zim. I don't put anything past them. And any way, are you and Pooldude spooning each other or what? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 00:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, I don't even know Pooldude, I just trust him the most in this world of stupid Avatar fans (I think about 70% are stupid). I would know pooldude if I wasn't forum banned from Tv.com XD (Long story.) And your right about Nick, but despite what people think Nick is treating Avatar amazing. The best slot on the best day for kids TV. We aren't getting deprived of anything. -Dylan0513 03:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aren't getting deprived? "Season 3 will most likely start airing in late April or early May"? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'd rather have it start then. This way there isn't the long break in summer like last time. -Dylan0513 12:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Future Avatar episodes

message: Hardly important at all. First one is just another skill, no need to mark the first time every skill is used. 2 and 3, all the characters get better through the show, goes on the character's articles if anywhere. Fourth, just a new skill, goes on Firebender.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the jet firebending is really the only one that has decent enough relevance to be mentioned NekrosKoma 05:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Gotta love WP:3RR. I've abused that thing about 5 times today. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Its just a new skill. It can (and should) go on Firebender, but its not needed here.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 06:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Which is exactly why nothing I say here is going to change your mind about the note being there. You don't understand why they aren't needed here and no amount of us talking to you will change your mind. However, if you are willing to sacrifice sleep, feel free to keep putting them up there. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: But... But, I want to earn that title :-(. I WILL be the "the epitome of nerd and loser" even if it kills me. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hate to break it to you, but I think we may both have been there a few thousand edits ago. :P--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Apparently you haven't seen a single fan page or forum on Avatar throughout the entire web. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I'll have you know I was a full-on geek long before I ever saw Avatar.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of this argument, I think it's time you raise your temper level on your page Fyre. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Where did Zhao express any shame at Zuko's actions?  I saw rage, anger, hatred, defiance, etc., but no shame.  He was never disappointed with Zuko, since he never had any respect for Zuko in the first place. There might have been shame in The Southern Air Temple when Zuko didn't deal a final blow in their Agni Kai, called him a coward and whatnot, but even that's a stretch.  JBK405 20:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, I guess. I saw shame in that he was disappointed Zuko would even offer to help him....May be far-streched, but I figured it would be worth some shot, since people are already comparing this to Star Wars and everything else. Aang-kai 20:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About these "important" notes. 

message: Aang was definitely struck by lightning on the back and exits on the foot. His wound in the back are much larger than the burn marks on the foot and this was where Katara placed the oasis water.
We don't know lightning works in these situations, maybe exit wounds are larger than entrance wounds (That's how it is with bullets).  After all, whenever you see a character shoot lightning it expands as it travels, from a small dot at their fingertips to a wide burst of electricity.
Besides, the back is a much more vital area, that's right where the heart, lungs, and all the other organs are.  Putting water on the back might have just been because that's where the lethal damage occured JBK405 17:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hit on back or foot?

message: Should I write up a review similar to the one I wrote for The Guru? Aang-kai 16:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will post my review, and we can just edit it out accordingly. I will copy the current edition, save it, and if we decide that it was better, we can just re-edit it back in. Aang-kai 18:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode Review

message: Just wanted to add my two sense about the picture we're using. I must tell you it is absolutly perfect. Remind anyone of anything? Heres a hint. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 20:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why thank you. Glad I decided to put it their earlier this morning. Though someone else loaded it up. Aang-kai 20:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Anyone else see parallels between Azula's taking out of the Council of Five and the legendary "taking out of the heads of the Five Families" in The Godfather?--Choi9999 05:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe...but there are a lot of people that would call that their favorite movie. Unless there's some more concrete proof, I still don't think we should put in in an article.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh, it's probably a coincidence, but... 

message: Can we say that Aang was dead? i mean, not even the waterbenders can resuscitate... (if they can't heal a scar, why would they be able to resuscitate) i think he was fainted near dead but yet not dead.
We can't, and don't, say he was dead; right now all we have is "Very badly hurt, possibly near death, but healed by Katara."  We'll need to wait until Season 3 (Or some sort of official press release) to actually know exactly what happened. JBK405 00:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Er i was referring to the notes, sorry didn't notice that was already taken away.
He obviously didn't die. The ramifications would be too great if he didn't and I doubt one lightning strike would kill the avatar. -Dylan0513 00:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I know it's not the place, but he's a 12 years old boy, a lightning may be fatal, mostly of us forgets that he's still just a boy, not yet fully powered. However as the statics show, around 75% of he people who are struck by a lightning survive, so it's actually very possible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.158.159.52 (talk) 00:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's 112. And I'm pretty sure real world statistics differ from fantasy especially bending. -Dylan0513 00:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you ever heard of his suspension time, he didn't grow up, come on, he's still 12 years old. And the statics I'm referring to are totally real. I saw that on discovery channel. Let me see if i can find them for you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.158.159.52 (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see this  and this  and even here on wikipedia , actually a short search will show my point. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.158.159.52 (talk) 00:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Avatar isn't real. And bending lighting isn't the same as it coming from the sky. I agree he's not dead, actually he is not dead nor didn't die. -Dylan0513 00:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If he was dead, then Mike and Bryan wouldn't have a show. I mean, yes yes Avatar is fairly shocking for a Nicktoon, but honestly! Killing off the title character? That's career suicide. Besides, the water was "special" from the Spirit Oasis. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.160.116.44 (talk) 01:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aang Dead!? 

message: I'm removing the trivia about Iroh being able to Earthbend. There is no evidence for this at all. Yes we don't know how he escaped the crystals but that does not constitute him being able to earthbend his way out. Azula proved that with sufficient power, firebending can shatter those crystals. It is show cannon that only the Avatar can bend multiple elements, save except the speacial branches of each bending discipline that can be acheived by masters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Avogadro522 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iroh and Earthbending 

message: there is a comment in the body of the article expressing the view that Toph did not know that she had met Iroh before.  This seems illogical and contradictory to events that happened in both "the drill" and "the crossroads of destiny."  Firstly, if she could recognize people by earthbending, as she could when we met her (recognizing Aang in the garden), there is no reason she wouldn't recognize Iroh, who she met twice in "the chase," once without being introduced, when he was clearly identified as Iroh in the fight scene when Azula as early as then.  This is later confirmed (I thought) when she makes some snotty remark in defense of Iroh's less than successful siege to the Earth Kingdom General.  And finally, she showed no shock at learning that her 'old friend' was Iroh in this episode. Why? she knew from the fight scene in "the chase" who he was, because she has no trouble recognizing people even without sight.  That's why the normally chilly Toph showed an uncharacteristic amount of concern about his wound after Azula laid the sucker punch on him after the show down in the ghost town.
Yeah! That was a sucker punch on Azula's attack.-DJ 168.212.126.135 16:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Toph and Iroh

message: Iroh seems to enjoy tea not only for it's taste, but also for its firebending abilities. Have you ever dranken hot tea ( or soup) and noticed the heat that seems to stay in your mouth? Iroh managed to firebend this heat and breathe flames, thereby earning him the nickname "the dragon of the west". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashto10 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We all know this, so what was the point in adding it to the discussion? It is not just the heat from the tea. If you remember back in Book: Water, when Zuko got upset once, he simply looked up and shot small flames (or steam...can't remember) out of his mouth. If a Fire bender can shoot flaes out of his hands, feet, as well as generate heat over his entire body, what prevents them from doing so out of their mouth? Total speculation, but perhaps the nickname was acquired from when he first battled at Ba Sing Se, and an Earthbender saw him do this same act, like a dragon, and since the Fire Nation lies West of Ba Sing Se (though it could lie east as well) they started calling him, "The Dragon of the West?" Aang-kai 18:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iroh's love of tea 

message: If you look at the very last scene of Katara sitting beside Aang, most of you might notice that she’s staring right at us with a worried look. (I am not very sure, or is she looking at the Earth King?) And if you look at the opening of the first episode (The Boy in the Iceberg), the part when Katara introduces the story to us, there’s a part when she tells us that her father left her village, and she says something like, “some people believe that the Avatar was never reborned into the Air Nomads and the cycle is broken, but I haven’t lost hope…” There, we see Katara looking at us with hopes in her eyes. Do you think that there might be a connection between the last scene of episode 40 and the introduction of episode 1? (I might be completely wrong…) Maybe it’s hinting something? --62.101.126.229 17:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hinting what, exactly? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 17:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Meh. The episode had a lot of circular elements to it, and by that I mean it alluded to the first episode of the series. I mean, the scene where Aang wakes up and Katara looks down at him mirrors their first encounter when she freed him from the iceberg. In any case, it doesn't merit too much on this web site. Y BCZ 02:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last scene hinting something? 

message: Somewhat (hah) speculative but when listening to the arrests of the Generals the shackles sound like they are metal (they also look like metal but the sound was what intrigued me). Perhaps the Dai Li use sufficiently impure metal shackles so that they may bend them (as a team or alone) while suspects can't? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.74.67.91 (talk) 21:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Toph Momoroxmysoxoff 22:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Nope. ;) Nick promotions aren't fact. -Dylan0513 18:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: No actually, she was bending the metal. She was using the unpurified earth in the metal to move it. The reason other earthbenders haven't figured out that they can do it yet is because Toph uses her blindness to detect the earth within the metal and manipulate it. Other earthbenders don't have such an acute sense of the earth around them, so they can't bend the metal the same way. Bagpipeturtle 22:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  perhaps Toph is not the only metalbender? 

message: WHEN IS IT STARTING,  can somebody please tell me?
:You know as much as anybody else.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New SEASON 

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