Talk:Cougar (MRAP)

message: I've rated this as start-class... njan 16:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: I don't remember exactly where I read this, but apparently the UK received their vehicles at the expense of the Iraqis, as they took delivery of a number of cougars that were originally destined to the new Iraqi army (basicly jumping the queue), leaving them with soft skinned humvees in the meantime. Does anyone have anymore on this matter? 
Daft, May 10 2007; 16:08
:What about the US "jumping the queue"? Or is the UK the enemy now, as well as just about every other country in the world?124.197.15.138 (talk) 06:26, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK "jumped the queue" 

message: The article mentiones that the v-shape hull was conceived by the UK, Rhodesia and South Africa. This is simply not so. The V-shape was originally invented by the Rhodesians. Subsequently the South African Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) did a lot of research on the V-hull and several mine resistant vehicles were produduced, including the CASPIR and Buffel vehicles. South Africa produced a great number of these vehicles during the Apartheid era and is still producing improved versions of these vehicles. The American Cougar simply looks like a heavier and more powerful copy of the CASPIR vehicle. The British Mastiff vehicle on the other hand looks like a heavily armoured Buffel vehicle.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.128.201.204 (talk) 10:12, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Reread it. It says "an evolution of vehicle mine-protection technology used by the UK, Rhodesian and South African forces from the 1950s." Which is correct - note "used by forces" rather than "invented by". There is a specific link with the British Army in the history of the vehicles that led to the Cougar, as they ordered and used the Tempest, which was a Supacat version of the Cougar's predecessor the TSG Lion, which lacked the fully-protected engine of the Cougar. In turn that built on British use in the Balkans of the Alvis 4, which was a UK version of the Reumech/OMC Mamba. There's various British connections with this stuff - aside from the fact that if you're going back into the 1950's then Rhodesia was still a British colony (and technically it remained so until 1980, UDI notwithstanding) and many of their military/engineers were either British or Anglo-Rhodesian, many of the V hulled vehicles were made by Reumech/OMC whilst under the ownership of Vickers/Alvis/BAE, and the lead engineer on the Cougar was a Brit working in the US. Whilst the first real deployments of V hulls were in southern Africa, it wouldn't surprise me if there had been prototype V hulls produced elsewhere at an earlier date - I think the Finns claim to have had the idea first, even if it didn't go mainstream with them. If anyone wants a reference for the various generations of Mastiff (the article doesn't mention Mastiff 3), see pp68-9 of autumn 2011 DMJ. 86.31.204.118 (talk) 17:40, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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Compared to the original Cougar vehicle, the British Forces variant is to be fitted with large, vertical armor plates which cover the large vision blocks and weapon firing ports. This is in line with British Army doctrine concerning the role of the APC/MICV, specifically that it is to carry troops under protection to the objective and give firepower support when they have disembarked. The Mastiff is fitted with a turret sporting either a L7A2 GPMG (General Purpose Machine Gun), L110A1 Light Machine Gun, L11A1 Heavy Machine Gun, L134A1 40mm Grenade Machine Gun, or even a 50mm cannon.[31] One aspect of the British Army's approach to APC/MICV units (which differs to that of the United States) is that ability of the average soldier to fire accurately out the ports of a moving IFV has been questioned. The large armor plates add side protection from RPGs or IED explosions.
The reference to a 50mm cannon is wildly inaccurate! This, I believe, came from a flawed newspaper article that confused "50 cal" as meaning 50mm not 12.5mm. The British army does not even have a "50mm cannon"!  
"Top cover" on Mastiff mk.2 and mk.3 was invariably a 40mm GMG or .50 cal HMG
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