Talk:Secular Games

message: This nicely done article makes a statement that is surely incorrect:
The night-time sacrifices were made not to the underworld deities Dis Pater and Proserpina, but to the Moerae (fates), the Ilythiae (goddesses of childbirth), and Terra Mater (the "Earth mother"). These were "more beneficent honorands, who nonetheless shared with Dis Pater and Proserpina the twin characteristics of being Greek in nomenclature and without cult in the Roman state".
"Dis Pater" is a Latin name; although the derivation of "dis, ditis" is not altogether undisputed, it is not Greek, nor is pater. It's also unclear what is meant by "without a cult in the Roman state". I'm assuming that means what it says very specifically, and not that these two deities were without cult on the Italian peninsula. Cynwolfe (talk) 22:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  surely incorrect 

message: Is there secure evidence that Antoninus Pius held games in 148? Censorinus makes no mention of the fact, though he traces the recorded history of the games using a number of sources through 204. In this last year, however, he mentions that the games were held by "Septimius and M. Aurelius Antoninus", a.k.a. Septimius Severus and Caracalla respectively. I find no mention of games under Antoninus Pius in Zosimus, either. (Nor for that matter does Zosimus mention games under Philip the Arab, which would be a curious omission if they had happened and Zosimus knew of them...) Q·L·1968 ☿ 02:26, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are coins of Antoninus Pius and Philip the Arab indicating that they held Secular ... something. I didn't know this, you made me verify it, so thanks! So, why not mentioned by Censorinus and Zosimus? I don't know, unless in truth they were not really games but some other kind of celebration. Andrew Dalby 18:21, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This page by a numismatist seems to confirm that, but can't be treated as a reliable source. I'll put it on the page under external links. Andrew Dalby 18:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antoninus Pius 

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replies: text: Secular Games →  – They were not secular in the modern sense. We should clarify this in the title. See source in article
Formerly translated 'Secular Games', but recent scholarship prefers 'Saecular Games' to avoid confusion with the modern concept of the secular that implies disconnection from religious matters. See, for example, Rüpke, Jörg (2018). Pantheon: A new history of Roman religion. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press. pp. 193–203. ISBN 978-1-4008-8885-6. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 03:02, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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seems to be that at least Augustus's games were primarily concerned with covering his own decennalia in additional glory, particularly sinceunlike later emperorshe went through the farce of abandoning his power each 10 years and waiting for the people to insist, no, they really couldn't live without him. — LlywelynII 02:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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