Talk:Sweater

message: Boring 👎🏼  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.104.22 (talk) 06:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

message: It seems almost crazy to me to have "sweater" redirect to jumper.  This is potentially a very rich topic in its own right, ranging from the hockey sweater to sweater girls.  A very extensive article could certainly be written on the history of the former in particular.  --Daniel C. Boyer 18:30 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:Especially odd redirect as the definition of jumper is a sweater made of wool. Rmhermen 19:50 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:: This is a US/UK difference, I believe.
:::The point is that it is a circular redirect. Rmhermen 16:23 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)
::::I think the way that things have been worked now is very good.  --Daniel C.
:::::Where's my sweater article? 
Boyer 21:49, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect?

message: The article says 'If the sweater has no sleeves, it is generally called a vest.' Where? Here in England a vest is a type of sleeveless undershirt. In the US I got the impression a vest was a waistcoat. A sleeveless sweater, on the other hand, in England, is called a tanktop. Where does vest mean a sleeveless sweater?--Jcvamp 03:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what part of the midwestern U.S. you're from, but a tank top is a sleeveless t-shirt (not exclusive to women), and a vest is "a sleeveless, waist- or hip-length garment made of various materials, with a front opening usually secured by buttons, a zipper, or the like, worn over a shirt, blouse, dress, or other article for style or warmth: a sweater vest; a down vest."
--- Got rid of the the sweater.gif, it is a silly image because the image changes too quickly and distracts from the article. The sweaters are also out of fashion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.238.143.208 (talk) 17:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is a short-sleeved sweater called a vest? 

message: I jumped to this page checking out an explanation and was puzzled by its content. As I have always understood it sweater is a contraction from sweatshirt not an overarching term and is distinct from jersey which refers to a knitted garment eg School Jerseys! My mistake or some tidying/international adjusting required?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.190.200.254 (talk) 17:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite Needed (Badly!)/Misperception? 

message: Seriously...? Sergeirichard (talk) 18:20, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wool Bondage 

message: The first paragraph of this article is filled with problematic statements, many of which may be due to US/UK language differences. 
First of all, in American English, or at least the English I speak, "sweater" and "sweatshirt" are not interchangeable. A sweater is a garment knitted from wool or acrylic used mainly for warmth, often seen in a v-neck and worn over a collared shirt . A sweatshirt is typically cotton or cotton/polyester and is traditionally meant more for athletic use (sometimes accompanying matching sweatpants). One difference has to do with dress codes: I think of a nice sweater being acceptable in semi-formal or smart casual situations, whereas a sweatshirt would not be. 
"Hoodie" and "sweatshirt" are not mutually exclusive. A hoodie is a hooded sweatshirt, and as such is a type of sweatshirt. The word hoodie hasn't been around that long. What did people call them before? I don't know where the word "jumper" fits into all this, as that's not a word that's really used in the US. 
As for vest, tank top, etc.: As far as I can tell, in UK English, (British=American): waistcoat=vest, vest=tank top, tank top=sweater vest. Sound right?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.164.128.78 (talk) 08:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree that there are problems but not exactly you identify. Sweater for me (NZE) means sweatshirt. The problem is this says a sweater includes jerseys which are absolutely not sweatshirts. That being said, and just to confuse the issue, there are school jerseys, sold to the graduating year at a school, that mimic sports jerseys. Outside those however school jerseys refers to something more akin to the seamens jumper image - bottom right of the article, albeit with a V kneck, minus the pocket etc.  118.208.168.232 (talk) 09:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was having a discussion about this with colleagues the other day. As an Australian English Speaker, A jumper and sweater and are used interchangeably to refer to knitted garments (US sweater) and non-knitted cotton-synthetic garments (US sweatshirt). I wonder if there is any research on this. Perhaps there does need to be more explanation? Mozzie (talk) 12:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

text: I just had a bit more of a look. The opening paragraph is really confusing. Is a knitted cardigan a sweater? Is a jumper in the uk also a cardigan? I would try to reword but I'm so lost! Mozzie (talk) 12:15, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reworded it slightly. See if you can answer your own questions now. jnestorius(talk) 13:06, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm British and slightly confused too. I'd agree a "jersey" is more commonly something of thin material often though not exclusively used in sports, since presumably it's named after jersey (fabric), a fine long-sleeved material, originally woollen, now usually a mixture of fibres. We rarely use the term "sweater" in the UK, a somewhat revolting term for what we'd call a jumper. Pullover is a slightly old-fashioned term, less often used. Purely to add confusion, in England a vest is something worn under your clothes for warm, in the US it's what we'd call a waistcoast. Two countries divided by a single language ;) Gymnophoria (talk) 10:32, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK/US nomenclature confusion 

message: I'd like to know the etymology of sweater. Why is it called like that? Is it because originally it was cotton and it absorbs sweat?Jubeidono (talk) 16:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: In Customary wear: "Some people enjoy wearing ugly sweaters around Christmastime."
What is this statement based on and is it really necessary for this article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.175.87 (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peculiar sentence 

message: Seems both the words are fairly modern, is that because the articles of clothing are modern too? If not, what were they called?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.103.10.5 (talk) 17:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Google's n-gram viewer shows them present before 1900, with a rapid rise starting around 1880 for 'sweater,' but no examples given before around 1904. 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:DB2E:DF73:29AF:1481 (talk) 01:08, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What were sweaters/jumpers called before the 20th century? 

message: A sweatshirt is not a sweater. A sweatshirt is very clearly it's own thing and should have it's own article. Timtempleton (talk) 03:47, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Powers T 01:39, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate sweatshirt content to sweatshirt article? 

message: In the opening paragraph, the sentence "There is no hypernym equivalent to sweater covering both pullovers and cardigans" is highly confusing. It appears to contradict the earlier statement that "A sweater is either a pullover or a cardigan".
From the position next to a sentence about British English terms, and from other comments on this talk page, I might infer that the sentence about no hypernym existing refers only to British English. If so, I think it should be reworded to state that "There is no British English hypernym equivalent to sweater covering both pullovers and cardigans" because otherwise it is not clear that it refers only to British English.
But this results in an incorrect statement. The supposedly elusive BrE hypernym for pullovers and cardigans is "jumper". I speak British English. We would use the term "jumper" to refer to both pullovers and cardigans. In fact, we often use the term "jumper" as a catch-all term for any kind of warm, upper-body overgarment with sleeves, including sweatshirts and hoodies but excluding jackets and coats, making it a hypernym rather than a synonym to AmE "sweater", which seems to exclude sweatshirts. In my experience, BrE "sweater" is commonly understood as a synonym for "sweatshirt" rather than being equivalent to AmE "sweater".
I can't immediately think of a good way to resolve all of this.
81.149.152.4 (talk) 10:16, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Same, FWIW.  A cardigan is a cardigan; I don't recall hearing them called anything else.  Definitely not a jumper, sweater or pullover. --Vometia (talk) 04:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still confusing regarding US/UK terminology 

message: Needs a history section.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:56, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section? 

message: "Woollie" (British English) is/was a very common term for a woollen jumper.--Brenont (talk) 23:18, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woollie