Talk:Voree plates

message: "+" is a plus sign not an ampersand. KriZe 22:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I deleted the Voree Plates photo because of a copyright issue.  I thought I had obtained the proper permissions, but it turned out that this was not the case.  Hence, the photo has been removed. - Ecjmartin 23:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Was this the picture of the broadside from the linked Strangite site? It says it was published in 1845, so any copyright would have expired. Whether that was the picture you meant or not, I went ahead and uploaded it for the article. Hopefully there isn't some legal technicality I'm missing! Lusanaherandraton (talk) 19:04, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow.  That was SO long ago now that I can't even remember what the original issue was about anymore, LOL!  At any event, thank you so much for restoring it. - Ecjmartin (talk) 03:07, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of Voree Plates photo 

message: I returned the material on the script used on the Voree plates (after heavy editing and some expansion) to the article.  While LeContexte certainly makes a point about relying upon unknown authors and unpublished papers on partisan websites, there really isn't much else out there on this particular subject at the moment that is NOT from partisan--i.e. Strangite--websites.  Outside of the dimunitive Strangite church and a few Mormon history enthusiasts, very few folks have even heard of the Voree Plates!  While I thoroughly understand and agree with LeContexte's reluctance to rely too heavily upon partisan or unpublished sources, I also believe that this does not necessarily invalidate the conclusions presented there, either.  Hence, I rewrote the material, emphasizing the preliminary and partisan nature of the source material--but also allowing it to be presented so that the reader might draw their own conclusions (and maybe even that some qualified person or persons might ultimately become interested in doing serious scholarly inquiry into Strang's text for themselves; this is entirely outside the scope of my own talents!).  I also eliminated the unsourced material about the alleged boustrophedon nature of the text and added material on comparison between Strang's diary code-text and the Voree Plates text.  Comments, anyone?? - Ecjmartin (talk) 15:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Script used on the plates 

message: Of course the plates are "forgeries". All "plates" of allegedly divine origin related to the Book of Mormon are by definition forgeries since Jesus never commissioned any such plates. What's the point of asking whether any particular plates are "forgeries"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.9.170.26 (talk) 09:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this is an encyclopedia, and because your statement (while I fully concur with your opinion of the plates) cannot be conclusively proven one way or the other.  We may believe that Jesus never commissioned any such plates, but are either of us prepared to prove that?  I'm not; I can only state my belief on the subject.  Other intelligent, decent, God-fearing folks of the various Latter Day Saint persuasions obviously believe that he did, and there's no way to objectively demonstrate which of us is correct.  Hence, to maintain NPOV in this article, it is worded the way that it is. - Ecjmartin (talk) 11:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Thanks for bringing this up!  While we have testimony alleging a fabrication of the Voree Plates by Strang, I might point out that Joseph Smith was a victim of similar stories throughout his career.  Simply rejecting Strang prophetic claims is insufficient reason to definitively state that the plates were "fradulent," as one would need to have the plates themselves to prove this; or else have a sworn, witnessed statement from Strang admitting that he fabricated them.  Since neither such a statement nor the plates themselves (which disappeared long ago) are forthcoming, no such proof is possible.  I have made a change to the Golden Plates article to reflect this. - Ecjmartin (talk) 15:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why label the plates forgeries?