Talk:List of NHL statistical leaders

message: G700+  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.162.15.141 (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't update this article, during the season. GoodDay (talk) 18:43, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ovechkin 

message: Please, get the world map and find out where Slovakia is!  All these great legends of NHL  like Peter Stastny, Stan Mikita, Peter Bondra, Zigmund Palffy, Marian Hossa ... come from Slovakia! Get the facts !  This is so ridiculous watching Canadian national television and hearing that they were Czechs. No way!  Is it so hard for Americans and Canadians to remember just 4 countries - tiny by population but giant by hockey history ?   Finland, Sweden, Czech Republic and Slovakia.  Are you really so dumb or what?
If even Canadian or American media do not know it, then it is not suprising that you - common people do not know it as well.
I cannot imagine how it would  look like if  there existed not 7 but 20 or 30  hockey giants.... That would be a catastrophe for you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.128.184.130 (talk) 22:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you under the impression that we are the people behind Canadian or American television? I think if you check those players' articles you will see that it does, in fact, call them Slovaks. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 19:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I am under the impression that u can't het it right, coz all flag icons referring to Czech players (except the one I changed) say Czechoslovakia instead of Czech Republic and by clicking it you get to an article about a country that hasn't been existing for 18 years now. Also Bure is comes from Slovakia and not from the Soviet Union, my goodness. Calling a Czech and a Slovak a Soviet or a Russian is perceived as one of the greatest insults in those two countries. Don't you learn anything at school? The Soviets surpressed these nations for 40 years. I don't really have the energy to correct them all, but honestly it doesn't speak of intelligence.--83.208.137.33 (talk) 19:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The flags used are the flags used by the country at the time of the players birth.  Which Bure are you referring to?  Both Pavel and Valeri were born in the Soviet Union (which it was at the time of their birth) and played internationally for the USSR/Russia (depending on the year/player).  Ravendrop 19:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Previously I started a #Flags again section at the bottom.  No one responded, however over time most of the flags were changed to show the current country; all Slovaks, most Russians and many Czechs.  The reason for so little Czech flags being changed is probably due to them being the same visually.  As I mentioned below, showing the current country is what most people want to see and this would reduce the amount of reverts.  This follows the List of NHL statistical leaders by country and is much closer to what the official NHL and HHoF records show. There's no verifiable justification for showing flag of the country at the time of the player's birth. 99.246.133.31 (talk) 22:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is standard across wikipedia, when you are showing location of birth you list it as of when they were born. The article you link to is different because it is specifically talking about current countries. -DJSasso (talk) 23:08, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slovakia 

message: I suggest to use a flag next to a non-Canadian/not-only-Canadian player according to :
a) for what country the player played 
b) what citizenships the player possess
c) where he was born, ...of what nationality his parents were...
d) any other countries with which he is associated
It will always be one or two countries, never three or more... I can't imagine a player who would be considered having three nationalities...
So, according to this : Brett Hull is gonna be Canada and USA, Evgeni Nabokov - Kazakhstan and Russia, Dany Heatley - Germany and Canada, Stan Mikita - Slovakia and Canada etc. 
The players who are only Canadians would remain without any flag, of course.
Jasooon (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have a standard for this. The flag is for the country of birth at their time of birth. -DJSasso (talk) 16:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thus the reason we're using the Union Jack here, for Owen Nolan. GoodDay (talk) 17:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Sorry to say but that standard is idiotic. Ask Jágr to show you his papers and it will not say he was born in Czechoslovakia. Ask Chara to show you his papers and it will say he was born born in Slovakia. This standard of yours can only correctly apply to people who have died before the respective country stopped existing.83.208.137.33 (talk) 01:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the standard that all academic sources will use. If Jagr told you that he was born in the Czech Republic he would be wrong. It didn't exist when he was born. It would be 100% incorrect to say he was born in a country that didn't exist when he was born. His nationality would be the Czech Republic now, but his place of birth never changes. They are two different things. -DJSasso (talk) 04:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: Shouldn't Lemaire be listed in bold now that he has replaced John MacLean in New Jersey? Also, you should update the amounts of wins for the coaches. Lemaire has 600 at the moment.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.231.63 (talk) 06:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it should be. -DJSasso (talk) 12:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Active Coaches 

message: Please correct at least the flag near Stan Mikita´s name. In 1940, when he was born, there was no Czechoslovakia, the country was split into Slovakia and the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (It was the WWII). So if we want to exactly name the country at birth, it must be Slovakia, not Czechoslovakia. Try searching "Slovak Republic (1939–1945)" here on wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.82.2 (talk) 18:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stan Mikita 

message: Teemu Selänne is now ranked 14:th with 626 goals. Can someone who can access this page please update...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MhwSJ (talk • contribs) 11:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teemu Selänne 

message: When updating the lists to include statistics from 2010-11, should any player that didn't play be removed from the list of active players?  What about players like Kariya who were out due to injury?  What about players like Nabokov who the NHL views as on a roster but never played?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.179.122 (talk) 06:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inactive players 

message: I think the cut-off for shooting percentage should be expressed as a minimum number of goals rather than shots.  It does a disservice to the player to require that he have taken more wasted shots just to reach the minimum.  Steven Stamkos would be 5th on the list of active players if he had enough shots, 119 goals on 750 shots.  As is he would still make the list in 12th spot by pretending he had 800 shots.
:Well thats sort of the point. Its to avoid having a player who only played one or two years skew the data. That being said I believe the number comes from the NHLs cut off point. So we use the same one. -DJSasso (talk) 02:40, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the source.  Any minimum number of goals would achieve the same effect of removing the outlying numbers; using 100, 120 or 150 goals.  But I agree we should follow the NHL's rules, even if I disagree with them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.179.122 (talk) 03:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have an actual NHL reference that uses 800 shots as a cut off? I contend that the NHL doesn't maintain an offical shooting percentage as the statistics only started in 1967 and did not count all shots on goal prior to 1982.  NHL.com uses 82 SOG in a season as cutoff for inclusion in per season shooting percentages.  --Maplesoon (talk) 20:33, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Although hockey-reference.com isn't official, it shows the same 800 career shots as a cut-off.  I think you are correct, the NHL doesn't maintain a career shooting percentage statistic however it is easy to calculate for players who started after 1967-68.  Unfortunately it appears that shots and goals taken before that are ignored.  Probably there should be an asterisk after some of these numbers, e.g. the less productive first half of Bucyk's career is ignored. 174.119.19.211 (talk) 04:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shooting Percentage 

message: I think the policy of using the flag of players' place of birth at the time of birth should be revisited.  I think we should use the current flag of the place of birth at the time of birth similar to List of NHL statistical leaders by country.  This is also how the NHL indicates country of birth, they don't indicate players as being born in Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia.  Typically more information will be displayed using less clutter, no more double flags for Slovak players.  It won't completely eliminate all the flag changes for editors who wish to see current nationality displayed, but it will certainly reduce the amount. 174.119.19.211 (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags again 

message: I realize that the "Playoff Games Played" refers only to skaters but would it be appropriate to add a note stating that Patrick Roy played 247 playoff games, good enough for third amongst all players?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.184.76 (talk) 17:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patrick Roy in Playoff Games Played 

message: can the dates active be added for the all time point scorers? it is helpful for context for the different era's of hockey. just maybe in parentheses the dates active. 70.29.109.219 (talk) 05:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: point leaders

message: What about creating a list of NHL goalies who have 300 NHL wins, kind of like List of NHL players with 500 goals. So far, 25 NHL goalies, including Martin Brodeur, Patrick Roy and Ed Belfour, have over 300 NHL wins and two other goalies have potential to reach 300 wins in the 2011-12 NHL season. I think it's a huge acheivement for NHL goalies to get 300 NHL wins. BattleshipMan (talk) 21:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Evgeni Nabokov has become the 26th NHL goaltender to win 300 NHL games. We probably should set up the list of NHL goalies that has 300 wins. BattleshipMan (talk) 08:33, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This "list" is inclusive to the end of the the 2010-2011 season, it is not updated throughout the season. The top 25 Goalies listed in "Regular season wins" would simply be duplicated with your suggestion, as #25 has 301 wins right now. I do not see the need to have the same info in multiple locations, that's just one more place to update, another opportunity to have conflicting information. IMHO a redirect from List of NHL goalies with 300 wins to List_of_NHL_statistical_leaders#Regular_season_wins, should suffice, allowing for the list to include goalies with at least 300 wins.--UnQuébécois (talk) 13:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a 26th goalie who has just got 300 wins and there is another NHL goalie Miikka Kiprusoff who is getting close from being the 27th goalie to get 300 NHL regular season wins. BattleshipMan (talk) 17:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I stated, this list will only be updated at the end of the current season, having a whole new list for simply 2 or 3 additional entries would be a waste of time, and a potential for conflict.--UnQuébécois (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

text: I think it's a good idea IMHO.  A sortable list would show more than the simple list of names and number of wins shown in the statistical leaders list and more than the statistics easily found elsewhere.  Are the dates of their 300th win available similar to the 500 goal and 1000 point lists?  From that their winning team would also be possible.  As UnQuébécois wrote the main list shouldn't contain Nabokov until season's end.  He and the others that are close should be listed separately as in List of NHL players with 500 goals#Active players within 50 goals at the beginning of the 2011-12 season.  99.245.230.74 (talk) 04:40, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If the list was as long as the 500 goal list, I would agree that a sortable table might be handy. @BattleshipMan, there is nothing holding you back from creating the said article and see where it goes! That's the great thing about Wikipedia, you can contribute at any time!--UnQuébécois (talk) 04:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's what I'm talking about. A sortable list would show more then the simple list of numbers anf number of wins in the statisical leaders list. Evgeni Nabokov's name wouldn't be listed until the season's end and Miikka Kiprusoff is close of having 300 wins this season and would be listed as active players who are close of getting 300 NHL regular season wins. That's what I'm talking about. BattleshipMan (talk) 09:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to create the list of NHL goalies who had 300 wins as soon as the 2011-12 NHL regular season is over. I will make create a number of wins and how many games the goalies played, effective by the end of the regular season. Someone else would find out which winning game they got for their 300 wins and the date they got for that milestone. BattleshipMan (talk) 22:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about a list of NHL goalies who have 300 NHL wins? 

message: It looks like some 2011-12 stats are starting to get updated. That seems fine, as the regular season is over, but the playoffs are not over, we should probably wait till the whole 2011-12 season including playoffs are over before making any changes.--UnQuébécois (talk) 00:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see your issue.  It's hard enough to stop editors from updating the statistics during the season.  There's no reason to to disallow valid and consistent updates now.  There's no confusion between regular season and playoff statistics.  Someone updated Jagr's regular season points and goals, rather than revert them I completed the update of the two sections so that they would be correct. If there's a mistake, correct it, don't revert everything. 174.119.23.115 (talk) 03:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

text: If update of regular season statistics is to wait until after play-offs are over, it would probably be a good idea to put a edit lock for two more months. 174.119.23.115 (talk) 04:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2011–12 NHL season includes the playoffs, which have not happened yet.--UnQuébécois (talk) 19:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

text: We generally change the notice to say playoffs once the regular season is done. Updating the regular season records is fine. -DJSasso (talk) 19:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And I have made the change. -DJSasso (talk) 19:37, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2011-12 Season 

message: All time leading statistics for Goalies
Goals scored all time (including playoffs)
Points scored all time (including playoffs)
Assists scored all time (including playoffs)
Penalty minutes assessed all time (including playoffs)
I thought there was a section for this.  Was this removed or did wikipedia move it?--Mcbain942 (talk) 14:57, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it was removed because those states are already mixed in with all the other stats and didn't require duplication in a separate subsection. Also I think the page you are referring to is List of NHL records (individual) -DJSasso (talk) 14:59, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  All time leading statistics for Goalies / Subsection assists and goals and penalties by goalies 

message: How come there aren't any records for time on ice and shifts by skaters and goalies? They are also stats too. jlog3000 (talk) 19:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If I remember correctly the leaders on this page are all the official leaders categories that the NHL tracks. Not all stats are considered official stats. -DJSasso (talk) 20:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  No records for time on ice and shifts by skaters and goalies? 

message: Hi, I guess I accidentally updated Jagr's regular season goal scoring standing in that list. It was officially announced on NHL.com. I was wondering why this rule is in place not to update the article as the current season goes on...
Cheers
:It is because people don't necessarily keep updating the statistics throughout the season which causes different records to be as of different dates. By choosing one date and sticking with it we can have all the records correct as of a specific date. It prevents errors basically. -DJSasso (talk) 12:48, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  No stats from 2013 

message: The Edit notice needs to be updated, now that the 2016-17 NHL season & post-season are over. GoodDay (talk) 09:11, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit notice, needs updating 

message: This is a mess and a number of the navigational links don't work.  would fix this and if there's no objections I'll do it if I remember to get around to it. -- Acefitt 06:32, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout 

message: Indeed Jagr is 'now' playing for the Calgary Flames. But, we don't add that to this article, until the 2017-18 NHL season is over. GoodDay (talk) 19:52, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think adding the teams is fine, its the numbers being out of synch we are worried about. -DJSasso (talk) 01:06, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jaromir Jagr with the Calgary Flames 

message: We may as well delete the red message calling on editors to not update this article, during the season. IPs & newbies are just ignoring it & updating anyways. GoodDay (talk) 14:45, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah... That's a lot of edits that shouldn't be there. I'm tempted to just undo all the way back... –uncleben85 (talk) 01:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-protection might be a decent option. Or pending changes? Pichpich (talk) 03:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection or remove 'editing' note. 

message: Games played and total points have been mixed up for Henrik Sedin. He is not top 50 in points.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.215.69 (talk) 15:06, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henrik Sedin's record is not correct 

message: Recommend this article needs regular season & playoffs updates, now that 2018-19 has concluded. Just don't know where to even begin ;) GoodDay (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We prefer not to update this article 'during' the season. GoodDay (talk) 15:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer it too but it feels like a losing battle and also not in keeping with the rest of the world (i.e. every website where stats are available).  The main reason to only update after a season is to ensure the article is consistent and all stats are comparable because they are equally up-to-date.  The alternatives are to: a) break the article into more manageable sections; b) Police constantly; c) allow updates during the season and then accept that various stats will be out of sync; d) put a lock on the page.  I would advocate for a).  What do other sports do?Sxg169 (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Other sports do as we do and don't update till end of season. -DJSasso (talk) 16:08, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

text: I do my best, to police this article. GoodDay (talk) 16:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What about MLB and NBA? MLB has these: Template:Major_League_Baseball_records -- a separate page for each statistic and updated essentially daily with a "updated as of" statement on the page.  Meanwhile the NBA also has separate pages, though no single template, that are also updated pretty much daily.  Here is the NBA list:
* NBA post-season records
* List of National Basketball Association career scoring leaders
* List of National Basketball Association career rebounding leaders
* List of National Basketball Association career assists leaders
* List of National Basketball Association career steals leaders
* List of National Basketball Association career blocks leaders
* List of National Basketball Association top rookie scoring averages
* List of National Basketball Association single-season scoring leaders
* List of National Basketball Association single-season rebounding leaders
* List of National Basketball Association single-game scoring leaders
* List of National Basketball Association single-game rebounding leaders
* List of National Basketball Association players with most assists in a game
* List of National Basketball Association players with most steals in a game
* List of National Basketball Association players with most blocks in a game
* List of National Basketball Association longest winning streaks
* List of National Basketball Association longest losing streaks
* List of NBA teams by single season win percentage
* List of oldest and youngest National Basketball Association players
Sxg169 (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Yes we could certainly split some out, and would encourage doing so for some of the major ones. But our records page covers a lot more than just scoring leaders etc. It includes a lot that I personally wouldn't want on separate pages but would want collected on a page like this. And yes you could do "as of" dates for these pages, but it would differ from the consensus the wikiproject has to not update stats on any pages that aren't season pages until season is over. So would require a bit of a discussion to do that. The biggest reason we don't do "as of" is because more often than not, only one players stats will be updated and not another in the same list. So its not really updated "as of" and it makes players in the same list out of synch. -DJSasso (talk) 16:21, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018-19 updates 

message: Why is goals against average listed with four digits? Every source (save for Hockey-Reference) uses three digits, and I see no reason why this should be different. Kaiser matias (talk) 19:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, change'em to three. GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goals against average 

message: This page needs to be updated for regular season & playoff stats now that the 2019-20 season has been completed. JayMerlyn (talk) 21:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2019-20 

message: This page needs to be updated for regular season & playoff stats now that the 2020-21 season has been completed. GoodDay (talk) 15:09, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020-21 

message: Thinking over a recent IP's edit, concerning Joel Quenneville. Would it be alright to make an exception to the rule of 'not updating' during a season or post-season, if a coach resigns/is fired or a player retires 'during' the season? GoodDay (talk) 00:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Every rule is made to be broken... I saw that edit earlier too and didn't revert it. Masterhatch (talk) 00:38, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've followed the IPs lead. The rule does emphasis 'stats', rather then 'individuals'. We can update Quennville's stats after the season. GoodDay (talk) 00:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exceptions to the rule 

message: This article is badly outdated. It still has a notice telling people not to update until the 2021-22 season is over. Tad Lincoln (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, we need an administrator to update the notice. GoodDay (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of date