Talk:2009 structural changes to local government in England

message: I've been looking at the five reorganisations definitely going ahead in 2009, and considering the consequences for city/borough status and the formation of charter trustees, particularly as Rochester lost its city status more-or-less accidentally in the 1990s. This is my understanding:
*Cornwall: only one district has borough status: Restormel. This originated with Fowey in 1913 (although this was seen as a revival of the town's corporation which had not been reformed in 1832). In 1968 Fowey was merged with St Austell UD to become the borough of St Austell with Fowey, and this is the basis for the present borough's charter. There is now a Fowey Town council and parts (but not all) of St Austell are parished. Looks like there will be no trustees here.
*County Durham: Durham's city status would presumably be preserved by charter trustees for the unparished area of the pre-1974 city. Sedgefield's borough status seems doomed: the entire district is parished, so the formation of trustees cannot happen.
*Northumberland: Berwick upon Tweed is a borough, and presumably charter trustees will be formed for the area of the pre-1974 borough, still unparished. Blyth Valley is also a borough, and none of it is parished, so trustees could be formed. The other borough is Castle Morpeth, who obtained their borough status via Morpeth. The latter now has a town council so there would be no trustees. The borough of Morpeth had the earliest grant of arms (as opposed to confirmation) of any civic body, and these arms were transferred to Castle Morpeth Borough Council in the 1970s. Hopefully, they will be reclaimed by the town council by royal licence.
*Wiltshire: there are already charter trustees for the City of Salisbury. None of the merging districts are boroughs, so this won't change.
Lozleader (talk) 15:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Successful proposals" section should probably go into a table with a list of the districts being abolished and their current status. MRSC • Talk 17:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: According the draft orders Cheshire and Bedfordshire will be abolished as non-metropolitan counties (unlike the approach taken in Berkshire in the 1990s). They will of course continue to be lieutenancy areas. MRSC • Talk 13:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely it's only the county councils which are being abolished. There will still be a Bedfordshire and a Cheshire after 1 May 2009, just as there was a Bedfordshire and a Cheshire before 1889 when the county councils were created.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.86.1 (talk) 13:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, the non-metropolitan counties of Cheshire and Bedfordshire are to be abolished. The counties will of course continue to exist as Ceremonial counties of England. David (talk) 00:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Abolishing only the county councils was the approach taken by the Conservatives with Greater London, the six metropolitan counties and Berkshire. For Avon, Hereford & Worcester, Cleveland and Humberside they abolished both the ceremonial and non-metropolitan counties; and the county councils (i.e. abolished them for all purposes). The innovation with this series of reforms is that there will now be two ceremonial counties (Cheshire and Bedfordshire) that will not relate to a non-metropolitan county of the same name. MRSC • Talk 13:58, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which I believe is perfectly sensible. The future of counties in England is a system of ceremonial counties made up of one or more unitary authorities. That way the historic counties are more or less preserved in a geographic and ceremonial sense (with the ceremonial counties) and a more contemporary system of local government (the unitary authorities) exists below the level of ceremonial counties and fits in with that level too. I would say we are crossing the half way point on the way to achieving this. David (talk) 14:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
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