Talk:Georgi Pulevski

message: Thank you for another reference. Please provide location of original publication. Reference to references is no substitute for the original. We have already gone through this with a previous quoted document that apparently establishing a clear 'Macedonian' ethnicity in the late 19th century. But only the references were provided. Closer inspection and research proved there was no such document and the 'document' was almost certainly conjured up in the 1960s. It only existed in reference, and never in fact.  My feeling is that the term 'Macedonian' was never in the original but was introduced in the referencing process. This has often been the case since the 1950s, in the official process of constructing a 'Macedonian ethnicity'. So, where is the original and what does it say? Look forward to it. Politis (talk) 12:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which do you mean, the "Grammar"? I gave the full bibliographic details, it was published Sofia 1880. Friedman  gives the full bibliographic entry as follows: "Pulevski, Gj. (1880) Slavjano-naseljenski-makedonska slognica retovska. Sofia: Ugrin Diikov." Apparently the text is also contained in a modern edition of P's collected works, Gjorgija M. Pulevski, Odbrani stranici., ed. B. Ristovski, Skopje 1974. About the term "Macedonian" being contained in it: Again, according to Friedman, Pulevski in his "Grammar" called the language našinski or slavjano-makedonski; the title translates as "the language of the Macedonian Slavic population". What else is unclear? If you want to insinuate the whole work might be a forgery, the ball is in your field to find reliable sources to that effect; we have absolutely no reason to engage in any such speculation. The work has been described and accepted as authentic in the most reliable of secondary literature (Friedman is the leading authority world-wide). That's really all we need. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Where is it?

message: Can we please release this poor innocent article from the iron grip of the on-Wiki Macedonian-Bulgarian feuds? This whole structure of having a "pro-Macedonian" and a "pro-Bulgarian" section is absolutely awful. You know, guys, even if it's hard to imagine for some of you, there might be readers out there who might actually be interested in other questions than whether he belongs to the one or the other nation. There might even be readers who wouldn't give a rat's.   
By the way, why is the whole "Pro-Bulgarian activities" section only quoting primary sources? Let me guess: somebody forgot WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT? Could there be a tiny chance "WHEREYOUGOTIT" was another of those third-rate nationalist websites that's being mimicked here, rather than a reliable secondary source? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get rid of that Mac-Bul silliness 

message: As Fut.Perf. already explained English language usage defines the name of the article. So Google books:
#Georgi Pulevski 15 hits
#Gjorgija Pulevski  2 hits
:Google Scholar:
#Georgi Pulevski 14 hits 
#Gjorgija Pulevski 2 hits
:To sum it up - on the same bases on which the article Makedosnko devoiche is with the MK transliteration, this one has to be Georgi Pulevski. Any further POV moves will be considered disruptive. --Laveol T 18:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This Google books analysis is old and it is not true. If you check, Gjorgji is more used. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 23:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is some statistics:
for Google
* Gjorgji Pulevski - 2,940  results on Google
* Gjorgjija Pulevski - 2,640 on Google
* Georgi Pulevski - 2,270 results on Google
just Google Books
*Georgi Pulevski - 66 results on Google Books.
* Gjorgji Pulevski - 213 results on Google Books.
* Gjorgjija Pulevski - 5 results on Google Books.
according to this, the most used name is Gjorgji Pulevski. You should rename the article.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 00:04, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I can't help noticing most of the hits you present are in a language different from English. Like it or not this is the most familiar title for the article. I now know why you want to push a different name, but you simply lack the evidence. --Laveol T 14:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

text: At Laveol, since you have not read something from him, you can see in his books either Гьоргьи or Ђорђе which in both cases is Gjorgji. Georgi is the modern Bulgarian name and if you insist on neutral names, then George is the neutral English name. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  English language usage 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Naturee, please stop edit-warring. Your first edit-summary comment:  Removal of a source that has no correlation with the person to which this Wikipedia page is dedicated to. is simply illogical claim, hence part from the source is dealing with Pulevski.  Your second edit-summary comment: Since user Jingiby could not provide a correct link to the supposed book that is listed in the "Works" section, but provides a link to a book by another author, I am reverting back the edit. is nonsensical too, because I haven't provide any links. I have restored the content deleted without adequate explanation. I didn't upload this source, or the link to it, but only have provided a citation from the book. Nobody asked me for any link on the talk page, or on the edit summary. Here I link to the scanned original of this book written by Pulevski, as well as a link to the scanned original of Kosta Tsarnushanov's secondary academic source, where the topic of this book by Pulevski is discussed, as well as through Google books to the exact citation from Tsanushanov's book. In the same way Tsarnushanov's conclusion is cited by the modern-day Bulgarian historian from Sofia University prof. Aleksandar Nikolov in the study 
Параисторични сюжети от български автохтонизъм към антички македонизъм. (Parahistorical plots: from Bulgarian autochthonism to Ancient Macedonism.) as follows: ... в последната си граматика, наречена "Язичница. Содержающа староболгарски язик, а уредена ем исправена, да се учат болгарски и македонски синове и керки." той представя македонския език като наречие на българския език....(in his last grammar, called "Grammar. Containing Old Bulgarian, arranged and corrected to may study Bulgarian and Macedonian sons and daughters" he presents the Macedonian as a dialect of the Bulgarian language.)  Please specify a link to what is requested and such will be provided and stop deleting citation, academic source and its conclusion. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 06:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: My friend, as far as I find some data in the Google Books search engine, the Yugoslav researchers in SR Macedonia wrote about this book in 1973 and 1974, that is, long before the Bulgarian ones. Just check: Ѓорѓи Пулевски, Одбрани страници, Македонска книга, 1974 - стр. 14 and Ѓорѓија М. Пулевски и неговите книшки Самовила македонска и Македонска песнарка. Блаже Ристовски. Ин-т за фолклор, 1973 - Скопjе, стр. 19. Jingiby (talk) 12:44, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Язичница, содержающая.... 

message: I am insisting to revert the article to its stable version. Pulevski cannot be of Macedonian nationality in the sense of the latest biased edits. Macedonian citizenship was first introduced in 1991, and he died a century before that. Regarding his ethnic identity, before the changes done by the recently blocked newly registered user, the text was far more neutral and compromising, and defined him as a Mijak. His ethnic identity problematics is best reflected in the subsection "Identity" that is based on a secondary reliable sources. It is clear that he was the first known forerunner of the separate Macedonian ethnic identity, but with him it is far from the modern Macedonist ideas and coexists with other regional and ethnic identities in different aspect, i.e., Mijak, Bulgarian, Serbian, Orthodox Christian, etc. Let stick to neutrality. Jingiby (talk) 10:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps for more neutrality, his ethnic identity could be excluded from the lead altogether, especially when we consider Pulevski's conflicting ethnic identifications. StephenMacky1 (talk) 18:15, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

text: The stable version was fine and it seems to have already been restored. --Local hero talk 18:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last biased changes 

message: When u click on the link of who are Mijaks it says they are ethnographic group of Macedonians. When u read 2 paragraphs below of Pulevski Wikipedia it says how he fought that Macedonians are separate ethnicity from serbs, bulgarians and greeks. 
So what is the problem with saying he is Macedonian Mijak? If this edit gets removed over and over again imma try to contact as many administrators because Jingiby has extreme bias. I am looking every article about North Macedonia and ethnic Macedonians. It says he edits it. Many of the sources are Bulgarian. Ethnic Bulgarian edits about ethnic Macedonian history. 
I think maybe i should contact Skopje so they block this website as a form of protest. 46.217.67.206 (talk) 01:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you did not read the section in the article Mijaks called History? Then you will realize that the Mijaks identified as Bulgarians ans Serbs during Ottoman times and even later. Macedonian nationalism was developed significantly hardly after WWII. You probably did not read to the end this article itself. If so, you will read at the bottom sourced content claiming: Pulevski viewed Macedonian identity as being a regional phenomenon... Pulevski himself identified also as a "Mijak from Galičnik", sometimes described himself as a "Serbian patriot" and also viewed his ethnic designation as "Bulgarian from the village of Galičnik", thus he changed his self-identification several times during his lifetime. Also keep in mind that in the last 20 years the Macedonian question has been debated to death here. Hundreds of sources were analyzed and weighed before being added to the related articles. Macedonian historiography was also examined in details and it is adopted here it to be decidedly revisionist, giving weight to other historical views rather than the Macedonian one. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 03:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mijak = Macedonian