Talk:Zubeen Garg

message: This article appears to duplicate information contained in the main article Zubeen Garg. Any new information would perhaps be best folded into the main article. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:33, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[List of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg]] 

message: This is a relisting of merge proposal. Merge tags were previously removed by article creator. Article appears to lack sufficient notability for a stand alone article. Suggest merging into Zubeen Garg. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Weak support This isn't really a case of the song list lacking sufficient notability, as that information seems to be as relevant as the various other tables in Zubeen Garg. Meanwhile, looking at WP:MERGE, there is no overlap or duplicate issue (except for some recent efforts to add career highlights and fanpov), and the song list is extremely short. However, merging that to Zubeen Garg shouldn't result in an extremely large article WP:NOTPAPER. Thus, a rather weak ambivalent support - a merge won't hurt, but the song table is also sufficiently large that it could stand on its own. If a split is warranted, a better structure might be the main article (general career details) and a separate list of works (not just songs, but also the tables of films). Dl2000 (talk) 04:54, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[List of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg]] 

message: Plz add his birth name... His birth name is Jibon Borthakur Raj das (talk) 07:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This change will never be made without a citation of a reliable source being provided that supports it. General Ization Talk   03:33, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @General Ization I have updated it with reliable sources. But some fandom is reverting with non-reliable sources. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 03:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Pinging  and  for this behaviour and personal attack. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 09:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  add his birth name 

message: Add his birth date Alankrit Borthakur (talk) 17:15, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As per my note at RFPP, the current source for his birthday is weak. A more reliable one would definitely be helpful, if one can be found. Airplaneman (talk) ✈ 22:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  birth date 

message: The about section of this official website is indeed WP:CIRCULAR. Thanks for pointing out that sir. I've removed it along with the content it supported. I've added a news source in support of the subject's birthday and birth place. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:16, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circular reference 

message: A lot of Zubeen's works, especially the early albums are missing. They need to be added.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.204.144.175 (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you looked at List of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Albums 

message: please change ((Indian)) to ((India))n 98.239.227.65 (talk) 13:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Although the correct formatting is Indian.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian 

message: Though I know you meant well in these edits, the additions you made to the  and  parameters of the infobox, as well as the lede, are excessive. The point of the  parameter is to indicate what he is chiefly known for, not for every job the guy has had. You should ask yourself why we wrote an article about the subject. It's probably not for his screenwriting, but because he is an accomplished musician, singer, producer. It's probably questionable whether he should be indicated as a philanthropist, since that is not his main occupation. Same with . Versatile musicians can often play many instruments. Depending on their level and quality of education, it's even possible they can play all manner of instruments: strings, percussion, woodwinds, brass, etc. That doesn't mean we have to list every single one in the infobox and lede. We should only be listing the ones that he is chiefly known for playing. Otherwise, more editors will come by and add xylophone, cuica, harmonica, kazoo, party horn, sports whistle, etc. Keep it general, please so the lede and infobox don't get cluttered with useless details. If you want to indicate the various instruments he's played, then do so in prose somewhere in the body of the article. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occupation and instrument parameters of the infobox are a cruft magnet 

message: This content is clearly unsubstantiated hyperbole that just comes across as meaningless puffery. Not only is the number of languages unsourced, but more importantly, the number of songs is not properly sourced. While you did attribute the claim to this New Indian Express article, the 20,000 figure is way off from the 16,000 figure in the article, and, the claim is attributed to Garg, the primary source, which we typically would not consider for a controversial claim, and, it sounds like some exaggeration he made in a fit of anger, like: "I've told you a million times not to lie!" The content, thus, is not adequately supported and just comes off as hyperbole stated in the spur of the moment. 
Also, just do the math. If he has been working for 28 years, and has allegedly sung 20,000 songs, that means he sings 714 songs per year, or two songs per day. And what does that mean? Does that mean that he records this many new songs per day/year, (dubious) or just that he sings them, because I would imagine any professional singer (and probably many amateur ones) could make comparable claims if they just practiced for eight minutes each day. Doesn't seem like something that should be in the article until more clarity and better sources develop. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you actually know zubeen garg. I will adding be as many as citation is available . You are thinking i am adding rubbish . You first do a survey in assam and ask people that how many songs have sung by him you will get your answer. Jitazg (talk) 20:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

text: He had sung 36 in a night ( recording).
And sings around 7-10 songs per day Jitazg (talk) 20:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

text: Yes you are right he sings around 700-800 per year. Jitazg (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

text: And the citation i had added was 3 years old information Jitazg (talk) 20:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let me answer your first question first: Do I know Zubeen Garg? No, I don't. Do you? Is he a friend of yours? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No not as a friend as a leader i am in his fan club , i got the privilege to talk to him , and met him many times Jitazg (talk) 21:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you very well could have a conflict of interest, and Wikipedia isn't the place to promote subjects of your fandom. The resubmission of this content was also problematic because you used a potential copyright violation, the YouTube video, as well as allaboutmusic.in, which I guess is some random website you chose after typing "Zubeen Garg 16,000" into Google. Doesn't quite meet WP:RS, sorry. And again, without proper context, no reader could possibly understand what you mean by "he has sung 16,000 songs". If we mean that he has recorded that man, then that potentially could be included in the article provided that it was properly sourced (which so far it has not been). Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he has recorded 16k songs in his 28 year career and i had added YouTube video this time but you removed. Jitazg (talk) 21:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

text: And i didn't add anything thing which don't have any proper reliable source. Jitazg (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) Please indent your responses the way that I am doing. 2) You don't need to sign every line. If you write a response, then want to add something to it, so long as nobody has responded, just add to it. 3) As I clearly explained, I removed the YouTube source as it is a potential copyright violation, which means that it is not adequately sourced. Not to mention that there is no assumption that "Sirf Sach" is a reliable mainstream source. So yes, you added content that you did not properly attribute to reliable sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "sirf sach" is a reliable source. Jitazg (talk) 22:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Prove it. I don't see it at WP:ICTFSOURCES and there are zero hits at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard, so nobody's ever discussed it. And please indent your responses properly. I'm not required to clean up after you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsubstantiated hyperbole 

message: Sir this FB account from which this source comes that supports the subjects real name in this article (used in the infobox) seems to be an unverified account. Will it be logical to use it? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely should not be used. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I'll remove the source, put a CN tag. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

text: The Fb account is of Zubeen Garg's wife. Jitazg (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please indent your replies like you've been asked to do before. Unverified Facebook accounts are not useful as references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Anybody can add a few pictures of Mr. and Mrs. Garg and make a FB account. What we need is a verified account, that is with a small blue tick mark near the account name. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to answer any more questions if you're not going to bother formatting your replies like a normal editor should be doing. Other people shouldn't have to clean up after you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real name 

message: (Below, you can find some comments which I've written. I've collapsed them, for now, because there are one or more higher-priority matters which I'd like to discuss first. If you wish to reply to a collapsed comment of mine, you may do so. But, if you do, preferably please move the thread out of the collapse box.)
Thank you!  —Unforgettableid (talk) 10:55, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've collapsed some low-priority comments which I wrote 

message: Hi all!
I looked at this article for the first time today. There's good information in it, but it definitely could use some improvement.
I've removed the many languages and dialects listed in the lead paragraph; please see MOS:LEAD#Content and MOS:LEADNO. I might find it acceptable for us to add back three or four languages or dialects, plus a phrase such as "and others", if we wish. Please do not add back any more than that. Thank you!
Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 04:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages and dialects listed in lead section 

message: Hi all!
The right-hand column of the  table has a very unusual layout, with all the numbers and parentheses in each cell. It's almost like there were an entire flattened nested sub-table inside every cell. If we wanted, we could just delete the whole table. I wonder whether or not the table really adds value to the article. And, even if so, I wonder if it might make sense for us to somehow restructure the information: for example, perhaps we could change the left table column into a simple list and delete the right table column.
Your thoughts would be welcome.
Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 04:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The collaborations table has a very unusual layout 

message: Hi all!
Most of our article is made up of lists or tables.
I wonder if it might be best for us to split some of them out into new articles. Please see Wikipedia:Summary style.
Or maybe it might even make sense for us to remove some of them altogether. Please see:
* ,
* ,
* Wikipedia:Listcruft, and/or
* Wikipedia:Too much detail.
For example, there's one table which lists Garg's film roles — even minor roles. But Wikipedia is not IMDb, and I'm not sure whether or not the minor roles should be listed. Maybe they should; maybe they shouldn't. I have no idea what'd be best.
Your thoughts would be welcome.
Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 04:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perhaps our article should be split and/or shortened 

message: Our article was created by , about 15 years ago. Afzalraza has made about a dozen Wikipedia edits in total; most of these edits were to our article.
By the time he was done creating our article, it looked like this. It looked quite promotional. Perhaps Afzalraza was either a superfan, paid, or had some COI. Such people often don't care about our inclusion criteria. Instead, they often ignore the criteria and simply create articles anyway.
Our article is better now. Even so, I still am not sure whether or not Garg meets our modern-day inclusion criteria.
I've added a  tag to the top of the article. Does Garg meet any of the inclusion criteria described at WP:NMUSIC? Does he not? I, myself, have no idea.
Your thoughts would be welcome.
Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 05:50, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: Hi all!
A.)
In this edit, I trimmed Garg's list of occupations, both in the lead sentence and in the infobox.
The old lead sentence was:  "Garg ... is an Indian singer, music director, composer, lyricist, music producer, film director, film producer, actor and philanthropist."
My new lead sentence was:  "Garg ... is an Indian singer."
I summarized my rationale in my edit summary.  I wrote:  
B.)
I also made six other edits.
C.)
, you reverted all seven of my edits in one unexplained edit.  (Diff.).
D.)
I restored my seven edits, explaining my rationale.  (Diff.)
E.)
, you again reverted all of my work in one unexplained edit.  (Diff.)
F.)
We need not discuss all seven of my edits now; it might be too complicated to discuss seven edits in one discussion. For now, maybe let's simply seek consensus regarding the list of occupations.
Dear , dear , and dear all:
Do you prefer the old, long list of occupations?  And, if so, why?  Or do you prefer the new occupation description ("Indian singer" only), because that is what MOS:ROLEBIO seems to favor?
G.)
I await your replies!
Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 10:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of occupations 

message: Edits like this just underscore why you may not be able to edit objectively with regard to Zubeen Garg.
#"Garg is considered as one of the most talented and versatile artiste" is an opinion based on a singular source, not a fact. One opinion doesn't necessarily mean that most people think what that one person thinks, right? 
#And, the world is a big place, so just because one person thinks that Garg is the "most talented and versatile artiste" doesn't mean that the entirety of the world thinks that. 
#We don't want to give undue weight to one opinion, you know? 
#You chose a blog for the content, apparently unaware that we don't care what blogs think. You should read WP:UGC and the enitrety of WP:RS. 
Maybe instead of trying to find more and more flattering things to say about Garg, you could be objective and find some criticism of the subject to share, so that the article doesn't reek of fanclub drool? Is that possible? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  More puffery/hyperbole 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: , the recurring theme of your edits seems to centre around puffing up Garg in any way you can. In these edits, a few problems:
#You fail to indicate to this English Wikpedia what "Luit Kontho" means.
#You add "Luit Kontho" to the  parameter of the infobox. Is it a name? Or is it a title? You call it a title in your edit summary. If it's a title, then it's not an alias.
#The content is poorly-sourced, and you seem to think that four poor references equals one good one. Not accurate. You need to quickly familiarise yourself with our reliable sourcing guidelines, which I've already mentioned to you. Faceless websites like this where you have incoherent articles written by "a correspondent" do not meet these guidelines. Nor does a faceless website like this. Note also that we do not link to potential copyright violations, so the YouTube video you used as a reference would be unsuitable. 
#Per WP:FILMCRITICLIST, we typically don't care about awards unless they are notable awards, and notability is typically demonstrated when an award has an existing Wikipedia article that has endured sufficient community scrutiny. This detail is important for the reasons listed below:
#In your haste to puff up Garg, you seem to be dazzled by the fact that the Governor of Assam was involved in this ceremony, instead of paying attention to the details. Based on the G-Plus Facebook post, we learn that this "honour" was part of the first-annual Maya Media Awards ceremony. (Second annual was in 2019) How could this be a notable award organisation? It was brand new. And here, the entity says that they issued the award. You seem to think that because Purohit handed him a statue, that suddenly equates to Garg receiving a revered state-issued award. That is totally unsubstantiated, and the statement "Zubeen has received the title 'Luit Kontho' from the governor of Assam" is a selective misinterpretation of the facts made to sound like Garg is equivalent to a Lord of the British Empire. It's just another fly-by-night Indian award mill trying to make a few rupees giving awards out, and they got Purohit to participate. Big deal.
If you can't be more discriminating about stuff like this, you're going to leave me with no alternative but to ask that you are restricted from editing subjects related to Garg. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:06, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  More puffing up of Garg 

message: A person continuously adding incorrect information about Garg's National award nominations. National awards don't have any official nominations. So please don't add wrong information  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4065:21B:59E2:0:0:1DAB:A5 (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect National award nomination

message: (Should be based on reliable, independent sources, not on primary sources as per WP:RS)
(Any statement without any reliable and independent source will be considered as mooted.)
(Zubeen Garg's wife's Facebook post is not reliable as it is PRIMARY, and she hasn't produced his the then birth certificate as proof. Further to be mentioned, the name on the PAN card doesn't confirm the birth name as known to all.)
Use * before your statement and use The word "Statement" in bold letters, comments should be in Ident. Duplicate Statement will be redacted.
My statement: The following supported that the subject person's birth name is Jibon Barthakur:
1] Book: Page 62 of this book . 
2] Journal: at Page 49 of this journal 
3] Indian Express news: https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/entertainment-others/ya-ali-singer-zubeen-garg-provided-security-after-ulfa-threat/ 
4] News18 news: https://www.news18.com/news/music/singer-zubeen-garg-provided-security-after-ulfa-threat-604629.html 
5] Oneindia Profile 
6] Further a local magazine (Zubeen Garg) special edition's page no 110 also supports the same claim which can be found online here.
7] Another local source found here, which was added probably between 2014-2015, also supports the same claim.
Conclusion of the statement: A total of 7 Sources claim that his birth name is Jibon Barthakur.
Pinging  as the idea was inherited by them. Regards - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 07:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As per WP:RS rule, your statement is mooted. I saw your citation which is really WP:DISRUPTIVE.  As you say, "", I suggest you to check the birth year issue of Shahid Afridi first.  You don't even try to learn about WP:CITE, WP:RS. And your edits on WP:BLP are WP:NPOV. Being a fan and building Wikipedia is different, You can't edit beyond rules.  I suggest you to read WP:BASIC, WP:BLP, WP:CITE and WP:RS first before you edit anything. Learn Wikipedia, as learning is always good. Regards- - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 08:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   Facebook is WP:SPS. And your concern would have been considered as "" only as per WP:ABOUTSELF, if Zubeen Garg himself declared the same. But his wife's claim, without any proof which she promised but never shown for verification, is not acceptable as new sources (as I mentioned) also don't support your claim. Moreover, about the local media's claim, your cited media doesn't even have an author name who can take the responsibility for the news as per journalism ethics. I see that it's wasting of time discussing with you as you have not learnt anything about Wikipedia yet, even after showing you the guidelines for citing sources to support a claim. Let others handle your vague discussion. I'm tired enough. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 09:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

text: One who doesn't know how to take part in discussion, should read the first statements carefully and should stop WP:DISRUPTIVE - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 10:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

text: It is important to note the difference between 'birthname' and 'official name'. It is very much possible that Mr. Garg was given the name 'Jibon' at birth, which was officially changed to 'Zubeen' later. These two sources →  , specifically mention that Jibon is his birth-name. If Zubeen in the changed name then it should be mentioned and sourced accordingly. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:37, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Fylindfotberserk birth name has evidence, but the changing birth name has no evidence. Hence, we must skip the birth name or with a circa or nothing. -✍ NeverTry4Me⛅  C♯  23:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is better to skip it since contentious. If his wife has insisted (through a verified account) that the subject was indeed christened as 'Zubeen', so may be its true, especially that her post is also from 2013, the year of the above third-party sources (which may themselves be WP:CIRCULAR). If the birth_name is so much important then the subject may approach OTRS with official/legal documents (I've experiences with atleast two such cases). - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:25, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Fylindfotberserk :D That's my word, you stole huh :D. His wife claimed, but no evidence was shown as per her own claim. It's like  but shouldn't be accepted as per provided sources. As per WP:COMMONSENSE, in his birth year 1972, Zubin Mehta was not so iconic (as per his career) that someone would be inspired. Hence, let's welcome the subject person's parents with his valid school certificate as at that time there was no birth certificate. -✍ NeverTry4Me⛅  C♯  09:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  CONSENSUS ABOUT BIRTH NAME DISPUTE 

message: Speech about zubeen Garg in English 2409:4065:49D:55EC:0:0:43F:E8A5 (talk) 14:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speech in school