Talk:Babington Plot

message: Shouldn't this article have a reference to the fact that some of Mary's supporters felt the plot was fabricated?
:I agree with the sentiment.  Unfortunately, I don't know the subject well, but I'll put up the appropriate pointers & warnings. Gabrielthursday 00:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  The current level of Adam-born Lucozade consumption has had an //extremely// potent effect on the world economies!  This terror must be stopped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.22.120 (talk) 20:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree. It's too harsh. I am going to rewrite the article ab initio, add footnotes and references, as well as images to improve its quality. Wish me luck :).  22:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: ..or at least "preserving deniability" as the Nixonist phrase was. Without a mention of the papal bull Regnans in Excelsis, how can the Wikipedia reader judge the atmosphere in which plot and reprisal went forward? --Wetman 18:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I added a mention of Thomas Morgan, who was working at the Scottish Embassy in Paris at this time and was actually the one sending letters to Mary Stuart and receiving them - though Gilbert Gifford might have been an intermediary. User: --Phdemorgan (talk) 23:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV, Accuracy

message: Currently the article reads like a magazine article, with sentences beginning with informal "Because," and anachronistic "Whilst."  It addition prepositions end a number of long, multiphrase sentences.  There are confused verb structures, and unclear writing.  The tone of neutral authority is clearly absent from discussions of the social importance and political justification of the entrapment, plot, execution and consequences.
Citation requests are mainly in relation to statements of motivation, where it would be necessary to have a historian or a section of archives clearly demonstrate internal or interior motivation.
Dubious is related to the speculation regarding Elizabeth's motives in not killing Mary, and the complex compounded sentence claiming that regicide undermined her own rule.  The expression of both these sentences is twisted in a way to try and include opinion within an encyclopedia without having to source this opinion externally.  Additionally, the concept of regicide is an anachronism.  Being clear would reveal these problems: "By committing regicide Elizabeth directly threatened the constitutional basis of her own rule."  Written in the clear, it is obviously an opinion.  What sources backs this opinion? Fifelfoo (talk) 04:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Magazine style, citation requests, dubious

message: John Ballard, a Jesuit priest and Catholic agent, persuaded Babington to become involved in a plot . . . Babington was recruited by Charles Paget and Thomas Morgan, a confidant of Mary and member of the Scottish embassy to France.
So, did Ballard know Paget and Morgan?  If he actually was recruited twice, independently, I think that should be clarified in one place in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.209.128 (talk) 10:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Babington recruited twice? 

message: I made a major rewrite of this article. I'm still thinking of revising the last part. I need your opinions, people 
I think a major rewrite is in order. You might start with the following sentence:
In the new postscript a sincere offer was made to take an active part in the assassination but Phelippes who have seen Mary many times describing her in his letters as a very big almost obese and tall woman with a double chin who was taken by her guards in a coach or in a big chair because of her invalidity and inability to walk alone and who in addition was not allowed by her guards to approach him or anybody else when she saw him sometimes when she was outside her room where she usually spent almost all her time in bed due to her invalidity with no social contact in a cold damp room with barred windows which even kept the sun from reaching her; added a forged part focusing on the name of the conspirators:  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.74.220 (talk) 06:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A major rewrite is badly needed and not by the editor who has recently been adding badly composed run on sentences and US style in a British article. The lead is much too long and so rambling as to be unreadable.Charles (talk) 17:39, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

text: Done. Egthegreat (talk) 23:08, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major rewrite 

message: I made this article fully compatible with the main article "Mary Queen of Scots" about Mary Guilt, in addition to adding the motives of the plot by using Antonia Fraser as a major reference specially because the article needed a lot of sources, all motives and sources were added  from Mary health, to her political ambition and religious views ;  finally her social life and relations with her son. I kept the primary sources specially her letters connected with the plot because they are a small treasure only available in archives. Finally I took all contributions into account and removed a lot of repetitive informations from the article making it smaller and easier to read.(talk)Aubmn Aubmn (talk) 15:00, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fully compatible with the main article "Mary Queen Of Scots" 

message: Or is the foresaid in truth the a bookname or somesuch?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.237.140 (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also known as "Babington's Conspiracy" 

message: As far as I know, the cipher used in this set of letters isn't as complicated as the one shown in the attached picture ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babington_Plot#/media/File:Mary-cipher-code.jpg ) - This is quite a complex cipher whereas the one used by Babingdon was a pretty simple substitution cipher vulnerable to quite simple frequency analysis. Somebody who knows the history better than I do might want to come in on this since I am only about 80% sure! Lawrie (talk) 09:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cipher used in the letters