Talk:Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris

message: Bittaker bought a 1977 GMC cargo van, which they came to call 'Murder Mack', because it had no side windows in the back and a large passenger side sliding door.
I think it would make more sense to point out that they nicknamed it Murder Mack and then give a description of what it looked like (saying they nicknamed it "because of" its features makes little sense) but I am not comfortable making the change because the second half of the sentance makes no sense.  I'm assuming it had no windows at all but I don't want to say that if I cannot verify it.  I'll do some research if I have the time but if anyone knows for sure, please make the change.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.67.97.117 (talk) 15:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder Mack 

message: Where does the Dalton name come from?
I'm watching a documentary about this, and they claim a different person in prison.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.84.236.12 (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dalton 

message: This article can't be written like a crime novel as one long narrative. This is an encyclopedia and all statements of fact have to be backed up with sources. How do you know what happened in their childhoods? How do you know how they killed their victims or why they put a body on the lawn of someone's house? 
This article assumes omniscience, that the author(s) of this piece just happened to know all of this is true and THIS is the way things happened. This is not an obscure crime, one of the killer is on Death Row and I'm sure that the trial was a big deal in the early 1980s. It should not be difficult to find news stories on this series of murders and provide some verification for the timeline that you came up with.
Knowing the killers' motivation (and the suggestion of an incestuous relationship between one killer and his mother?) will take more work to try to substantiate. But both of these criminals are still alive and WP:BLP applies. Bottom line? You can't say someone had sex with their mother or killed people without providing some documentation demonstrating that this is true. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 21:21, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This isn't a novel 

message: 'To one of these psychiatrists, Bittaker explained that his acknowledged criminal activities gave him a feeling of self-importance, although he insisted circumstantial matters increased his ability to resist committing crimes...'
:Are you sure he wasn't pleading that he was unable to resist committing crimes? Valetude (talk) 18:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: . Double-checked the reference. The prv. contrasting word may have been an intended reference to his harking to the psychitrist of his increased alcohol and drug intake at the time.--Kieronoldham (talk) 08:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resisting crime 

message: This article, in all its gory detail, will no doubt be used as a template by some deranged person(s) in the future. I heartily object to the inclusion of the gory, blow-by-blow details of these crimes. The article needs to be rewritten in a way that confers the facts without the superfluous details. Seligne (talk) 11:59, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Euphemisms don't help, especially for crimes so horrific the FBI use this case as a specific textbook example to harden new recruits to the reality of what human beings are capable of committing against each other. All this information is sourced i.e. is out there already to read if you have the stomach for it and look deeply enough. Look at other cases on Wiki. like Ted Bundy or Jack the Ripper. Hardly a thousand miles from this one in content, right?--Kieronoldham (talk) 20:25, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is sick...and unencyclopedic 

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message: Page Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris; Aftermath; states 
Although Norris readily admitted that he enjoyed the intercourse with the victims, he claimed only Bittaker enjoyed the acts of torture and murder, stating: "I didn't enjoy killing—that was Lawrence [Bittaker].
How is rape intercourse?  You are not quoting the Rapist/Murderer so to state that it is intercourse is a lie, false statement and degrading the victims.  
Relying on implicit bias of people who think rape is intercourse is disgusting. 2601:981:4400:63B2:B14A:532D:5120:8CD8 (talk) 15:03, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In the letter referenced it states "the sex ... I'm guilty of enjoying that". It is his self-absolving mindset. Everyone knows what you're implying. Needs adjusting.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is intercourse not rape? 

message: The article says that Norris was sentenced to 45 years to life, but the same section says that he would be eligible in 2010, which would mean that he was sentenced to 30 years to life. I changed this, but it was reverted, so I decided to bring it to attention here and maybe get an answer. Comitialbulb561 (talk) 00:02, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Parole eligibility. He had possibility of parole ("In return for Norris's agreeing to plead guilty and to testify against Bittaker, prosecutors had agreed to seek neither the death penalty nor life without parole at the upcoming sentencing hearing.") It is mentioned in two books and some of the references. One is here.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:37, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thirty or forty-five to life?