Talk:Great Lakes Twa

message: Why does TWA not default to the airline? That's quite silly.
:So an airline should get top priority over an entire ethnic group? Please see Wikipedia:Countering systemic bias. — Brian (talk) 22:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. I'm stunned someone would even suggest this. Feel free to propose the move at Requested moves, though. — Brian (talk) 08:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: i agree with the original poster, its just ridiculous to have thousands of people who are searching for a very famous, international corporation end up looking at the page for an obscure ethnic group of little consequence. I strongly support moving twa searches back to Trans World Airlines asap.Paco8191 (talk) 03:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree that far more people are likely to have heard of TWA than the Batwa. But nonetheless in an encyclopedia I think a people who have been around for millennia should have precedence over a corporation that only spans a few decades. kwami 22:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially an airline that's out of business... jeez/  --72.128.94.139 (talk) 14:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: Is there anyway this article could include more about the people and their history?  I came to this article through an article about the god Bes and there's not really anything here regarding the past history of these people.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.242.14.141 (talk) 22:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More

message: It's been suggested again that the article be moved, this time to Batwa, to avoid confusion with TWA. However, the normal name in English is Twa. By analogy with other ethnic articles, Twa people might be a better choice. Regardless, there isn't any conflict: If you type "TWA" into the search window, you're automatically redirected to Trans World Airlines. So why bother moving this article? kwami (talk) 10:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. If people want the airline, they should learn how to use the Shift key on their keyboard. — Dulcem (talk) 12:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I did not know that the wikipedia search recognized capitols. TWA does make more sense than Twa, and i withdraw my previous arguments.Paco8191 (talk) 05:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Its also news to me that Wiki search is sensitive to capitalisation to this degree, but on that basis would also oppose the proposal. Twa and TWA are not not ambiguous when used as search terms. A false positive in this context would be down to poor/sloppy searching which could be adequately addressed with a hatnote RashersTierney (talk) 02:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  move? 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support as nominator. Tevildo (talk) 23:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See TWA vs Twa discussion below.  --Born2cycle (talk) 19:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :I appreciate the distinction between TWA and Twa, and while I don't expect very many people to type "Twa" when looking for the defunct airline, people are accustomed to searching without regard to case at all, and so are likely to enter "twa" when looking for the defunct airline, which will take them to Twa.  So in that sense the defunct airline has primary use of "twa", and, thus, of "Twa".  --Born2cycle (talk) 19:08, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This was my primary reason for proposing the move - I was looking for the airline, and typed "twa".  If "twa" and "Twa" (and, for that matter, "polish" and "Polish") were separate articles, then I would have no issue; I still feel that the airline is the primary referent of these three letters, irrespective of capitalization.  Tevildo (talk) 20:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: TWA ''vs.'' Twa - conflict? 

message: Moved. I filed a RfM in case there might be objections; as there haven't been, I'm closing and moving. — kwami (talk) 11:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: TWA is a rd to the US airline; the dab is for acronyms. What other topic would there be for "Twa" apart from the Twa peoples? — kwami (talk) 05:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm closing with the original proposal, since no one has commented to support yours. The previous move request decided that the people had primacy over the airline. If you would still like "Twa" to be a dab page, please file a separate RfM. — kwami (talk) 11:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 2011 

message: The current History section is very problematic.  It states as truth nineteenth-century German colonial eugenicist fantasies about the origins of Great Lakes' castes/ethnic groups.  These outdated theories were later revived by Hutu Power during the Rwandan genocide as a justifications for the annihilation of the Tutsi.  I'm going to do research for sources and try to clean up the section, but as it stands now the section would be better deleted than allowed to remain as is. 24.125.163.52 (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly is inaccurate? The 'Hamitic hypothesis' claims that pastoralists brought civilization to the area, but this article never claims that. Besides, those ideas claimed that it was the Tutsi who were racially superior, not the Hutu. And while a pastoralist population may and frequently do dominate agricultural ones (consider the Mongol and Turk 'hords'), they are not generally thought of as bringers of civilization, as the present connotations of the word 'hord' demonstrate. The idea that Cushitic or Nilotic pastoralists arrived ca. 1500 and dominated the Bantu farmers is no more implausible, and no more racist, than the idea that the Yuan dynasty was Mongol. Many Hutu presumably have this ancestry as well, just as a huge number of Han Chinese have Genghis Khan in their ancestry. Both events have been used to justify genocide, but that doesn't mean they didn't happen. — kwami (talk) 22:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Did hutu kill Twa in 1994 Genocide?--Kaiyr (talk) 11:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genocide 

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