Talk:Ariadne auf Naxos

message: Nothing here is incorrect, but I feel that the article only gives a limited impression of what Ariadne is like. I'm going to work on an expanded synopsis, maybe other material as well....some account of the first version?  Herbivore (talk) 02:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The listing at AmadeusOnline.net confirms that it was Swoboda, so I've altered it.  Duhan was the Music-master. --GuillaumeTell (talk) 17:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Good idea - the changes to Grossmächtige Prinzessin, Zerbinetta's other aria, etc. --GuillaumeTell 17:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: How about something like this?  I don't have either score in front of me (which I hope to have later), but I would hope to add more details and even rehearsal numbers (for those with scores). -- kosboot (talk) 18:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Versions draft 

message: Why is the American premiere listed here? Any special reason? Rather than the London premiere, or Paris or  . . .? Normally we only list world premieres and first performances of revised versions. -- Kleinzach (talk) 13:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: American premiere?

message: Am I alone in thinking that "International" is hugely Americo-centric, give or take a bit of British stuff at the beginning?  I realise that the Met Database produces lots of interesting material, but perhaps there are also "international" performances of the opera that have taken place in, uh, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, even France, Italy, Sweden, Russia, Holland, Australia ....? --GuillaumeTell 00:18, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, first of all, let's drop the "International" bit.  Other opera articles just say "Perf. history".  And then we should research others perfs. in Europe and elsewhere. Viva-Verdi (talk) 00:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a Met Opera subhead, but we have a problem. If we had similar sections for the Vienna, Paris, ROH etc the article would be unmanageable, so I think the ideal solution would be to cut the Met text down to a couple of sentences. --Kleinzach 01:10, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Kleinzach. I think a mention of both Met productions would be good, but beyond mentioning the opening cast members of each, I don't think an entire list of performers is necessary. A possible addition would be to mention the Norman, Battle, King, etc. recording which was also notable because, according to the New York Times, "it was the first time that an American cultural event has been televised live in the Soviet Union".4meter4 (talk) 04:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  International performance history section 

message: I corrected Karl Alwin to Carl Alwin citing the Grove biography of Elisabeth Schumann. I could also have cited the Gerd Puritz biography of Elisabeth Schumann which has extensive material on her husband. He preferred the C selling and indeed Schumann always called him - as a nickname - by his initial 'C'. As noted on page 84 of the biography 'K' was used on record labels (and consequently some reference books) because it was considered 'more Germanic' by some people, but 'C' was preferred by Alwin himself. Unfortunately my correction was reverted.
On a matter of wiki procedure, the norm is to discuss here rather than re-revert, especially in contradiction of a cited reference see BOLD, revert, discuss cycle). --Kleinzach 02:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I checked the Grove entry that you mentioned, and in the edition I looked at D S-T spelled it as "Karl", so I found your edit comment rather confusing. I also have Theodore Baker's Dictionary which gives his name as Karl Alwin. With that information I felt I had to respect the spelling in the cited source, and being short of time decided to revert your edit. Perhaps we will soon have an article Carl Alwin in which the spelling issue can be addressed in more detail. In the meantime based on your additional info, I restored your change and mention this in the footnote. Thanks for the additional info and source. --Robert.Allen (talk) 22:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. The footnote is fine. --Kleinzach 23:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Carl Alwin with a C - not a K

message: Every change like this tends to get me going through the books for verification, especially when no source or justification for the change is given. The previous cast list probably originated with New Grove Opera which translates the German in the score, "Ein Lakai", to "A Footman". Many other sources translate it as "A Lackey", including Kobbé and The New Penguin Guide. LEO says either can be a translation and also includes "flunky" and "minion". The OED & American Heritage definitions of "lackey" include "footman", "valet", "toady". "Toady" – that sounds good. Maybe we should try that next. As you all know, I love to add footnotes about such things, but I'll refrain this time. ;-) --Robert.Allen (talk) 01:47, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lackey vs. Footman

message: I think it is a mistake to feature the composer on top of the article. If you look at seven opera of the same composer there will always be his pic on top. i think the top pic should feature an extraordinary scene from the opera - as this is the article of Ariadne, I want to see Ariadne - not Richard Strauss.--Meister und Margarita (talk) 22:27, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You might get better responses if you raise this question which you put here and at several other opera articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera instead. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:39, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Project opera is rather closed for that topic, I'm afraid, the project was so relieved to . There was a general discussion (or not) on Das Liebesverbot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake