Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Johnski/Proposed decision

message: After seeing the option given by James about a working version, I happened to search for an article which was under the same requirement. I found Armenian Genocide/Working version which is being used in the same way. 
I have many questions about how this works. First, how does the working version get to the protected version? What would prevent the working version that is vandalised getting moved to the protected version. I'm sure these things have been asked before, but I'm curious. Davidpdx 02:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Working Version

message: On Janurary 17th, User:63.164.145.198 blanked the Evidence page in this case. Here is the diff showing the blank as well as someone who restore it. . If you look at the contributions of this person, back on September 27th they reverted the DOM article. . This would mean that Johnski or one of his sock/meatpuppets was responsible for the vandalism of this page. I hope that the arbitration committee is aware of this fact and will take this into consideration in terms of stiffer sanctions against Johnski. Davidpdx 18:55, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism of Arbitration Evidence Page 

message: I agree that the locus of this dispute is edit warring and POV editing of Dominion of Melchizedek and related articles. However, I don't agree that the edit warring is sustained, and marked by aggressive editing entirely by Johnski and a host of apparent associates.  If Johnski has associates editing these articles, I am not one. The fact is that Gene_Poole and his apparent associates have been as aggressive as Johnski and should be dealt with equally. It appears to me that Gene_Poole with the help of Davidpdx instigated the edit war. KAJ 23:47, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it ironic that KAJ shows up today after someone blanked an entire arbitration page. He shows up and screams and yells that the decision (which was on the same page that was blanked yesterday) is unfair. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what's going on. Davidpdx 07:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  KAJ COMMENTS TO ARBITRATION COMMITY 

message: I am renewing my request for a temporary injunction for the Dominion of Melchizedek article. It appears KAJ and Johnski have again begun their revert war, even before the arbitration case has concluded. It is my belief if an injunction is not granted, these individuals will continue to disrupt Wikipedia through sustained revert wars. Davidpdx 12:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mr. Davidpdx: It seems that you don't understand what went on between Mr Gene_Poole, Mr. El C and myself as we finally worked out the issue regarding the Washington Post reference to CAR, and there was no revert war involved. KAJ 17:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do see what happened, however by no means do I believe this is the end of it. There is nothing that leads me to believe that you or Johnski won't go back to reverting the article chronically as you have done in the past. While I am glad the minor issue was resolved, I don't believe it's the end of nitpicking of this article by you two. Davidpdx 19:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temporary Injunction 

message: Essentially, because of the delay by the arbitration committee, Johnski is yet again at his old tricks. He is consistanly trying to make changes and claiming consensus. If this continues it will turn into a full fledge revert war, yet again.
The arbitration committee has sent the wrong message to these individuals and they are acting as though there are no consequences for their actions. Yet, if he came right out and said that, he would be absoultely right. There are no consequences, because of the fact this case has been delayed as well as delivering a watered down decision that will not help solve the dispute.
This is frustrating, because I (and others) brought this case before arbitration to ask for help. Davidpdx 11:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no tricks here as I've gone as far as I can to build consensus with Davidpdx, even adding something new supporting his POV that DOM is a fraud, by citing CBS as saying that the State Dept called DOM a fraud. He can not show anything specifically wrong with what I've done.  It is only because I did it that he complains. Sincerely, 22:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What Johnski fails to mention is that while some of the material he has recently added does state that Melchizedek is a fraud, his actions still constitute subtle vandalism, because amongst the material added he has slyly insinuated material that (1) falsely gives the impression that the US Securities & Exchange Commission recognises Melchizedek as a "sovereignty" (which it most certainly does not), and (2) falsely suggests that Evan Pedley (aka Branch Vinedresser) has no direct link with the many frauds perpetrated by Melchizedek's fictional "banks" by quoting a CBS reporter who was evidently unaware of the fact that Korem had in fact been arrested by the FBI for precisely that reason - as is clearly stated in the quote by John Stockey in the article. --Centauri 23:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least for now, he's been banned. Hopefully, the last vote that is needed will be casted by an arbitrator and the decision will be finalized. I'm hoping the semi-protection is enough to solve the problem, but I'm skeptical at best. Davidpdx 00:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dealing with Inconsistancies of what is done vs. what is said 

message: It appears there probably are enough votes to close the arbitration case. After two months of working to try to stop the POV pushing, there have been no sanctions proposed by the arbitration committee against Johnski or any of his associates. The only possible remedy that is currently being offered is semi-protection.
I find this crazy at best, that the arbitration committee is failing to adequately deal with someone who POV pushes as hard as these individuals do. In many other cases, the proposed remedies have been much harsher. My question to the arbitration committee, is why aren't you willing to deal with Johnski the first time around. He has shown his unwillingess to work within the rules, even during the arbitration case. 
I strongly urge the arbitration committee to take a second look at the remedies being offered at the moment. My feeling is that even though he is currently banned, the POV pushing will resume and the creditablity of Wikipedia will be put at risk by encouraging scam artists, sending them a clear message to hit the road. Davidpdx 12:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addressing Current Remedies