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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Should the information regarding the whistles be kept  or removed (in part or in whole if that is the case)? Because when I look at it, I feel that at least 1 point is more of an opinion than it is fact. Specifically, the point about fred gurley's whistle shrieking. Wouldn't some people consider it something other than a shriek? Plus NONE of the information stated there is cited so it's hard to tell whether or not the info given is accurate. Anybody could claim that the ward Kimball's whistle is a Crosby 3 chime when it is in fact a different whistle like a lunkenheimer 3 chime.71.201.71.151 (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The number one consideration when determining whether content in an article should be removed is whether it has a healthy amount of inline citations backing it up, and the section on whistles has none. In my opinion, it should be removed along with all of the other long-winded and unreferenced sections of the article. Having this much unimportant information about a subject is akin to an article about a famous novel having the entire text of the novel included in it. Highlighting every nitty-gritty detail and sub-topic about the subject is not how Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written and if we want the Disneyland Railroad article to eventually be returned to Good Article status, the editors who added this unnecessary content need to accept that fact. Jackdude101 (Talk)</span> 04:24, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  whistles 

message: "The combine car from the Disneyland Railroad's former Retlaw 1 passenger train, one of the DRR's two original train sets, was Walt Disney's favorite train car on the railroad, as it brought back memories from his youth working as a news butcher on the Missouri Pacific Railway."
What does "news butcher" mean? If it's a real term and not vandalism it should be explained.--agr (talk) 13:57, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "news butcher" is a real term. It was a job that involved selling newspapers, candy, cigars, and other products to passengers onboard trains. It was actually a pretty common job for young boys a century ago. Thomas Edison was a news butcher when he was a kid, also, but he lost that job after he set a combine car on fire due to white phosphorus igniting in a chemistry set he had onboard. The term is not used in modern times, which explains why there is no Wikipedia article about it. This same issue came up during its featured article review and was removed elsewhere in the article as a result, but it looks like we overlooked this mention of it. I just corrected that in the article. Jackdude101 talk cont 14:25, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the info. I'd be inclined to add a section to Newspaper hawker on the railroad jobs, with a redirect from News butcher, and put the term back. Do you have any good sources?--agr (talk) 15:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, two of the books used as sources in the article mention the term and describe it in detail, including the Edison bit I mentioned above. Jackdude101 talk cont 15:07, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see the Broggie (2014) p.36 reference, what is the other book ref?  If I add something to the Newspaper hawker could you check that the references support what I wrote? I'm thinking about adapting the words you used above, something like "It was also common in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries for young boys to work as "news butchers", selling newspapers, candy, cigars, and other products to passengers onboard trains. Thomas Edison was a news butcher in his youth, also, but he lost that job after he set a combine car on fire due to white phosphorus igniting in a chemistry set he had onboard. Walt Disney worked as news butcher on the Missouri Pacific Railway as a teenager, and his memories of that experience influenced his design of the Disneyland Railroad." --agr (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  The other source is the Amendola (2015) book. It was not used to reference the term in the article, but that's the one where the Edison info is located. I can get the related page numbers for you and review things later today. Jackdude101 talk cont 15:34, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thanks.--agr (talk) 16:00, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Most of the news butcher info in the Broggie book is from pages 35 to 40 (the mention about the combine coach being Disney's favorite and how it reminded him of his youth is on page 222); the Edison info in the Amendola book is on page 22. Also, FYI, the "It was also common in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries" info is implied by the source material, but it doesn't state it outright. Jackdude101 talk cont 23:32, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've made the additions to the Newspaper hawker article and News butcher is now live. Thanks for all your help. Do you want to add the link back to this article in its original location?--agr (talk) 10:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added the link to the article where the term was originally mentioned in the first paragraph after the lead section, and I added the term back to the Train cars section. I also added it to the Carolwood Pacific Railroad article, which has a lot of similar info. Jackdude101 talk cont 11:28, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, I think we are done. Thanks again for your help in rescuing a tiny bit of history.--agr (talk) 19:08, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  News butcher? 

message: The two 2-4-4 locomotives are no Masons. Masons have the distinctive feature of having the driving wheels mounted on a bogie (Mason Bogie), so they are articulated locomotives. This is not the case with No. 3 and No. 5. --93.104.122.238 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:30, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct and this has been fixed. Per the Whyte notation article, this is known as a Boston-type wheel arrangement. Jackdude101 talk cont 20:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masons 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: Shall we add a new info link about the "Ward Kimball locomotive breaking down" to the "Incidents" section even if it's a featured article?: https://www.ocregister.com/2019/08/12/disneyland-railroad-breaks-down-forcing-evacuation-and-stranding-engine/
Trains13 (talk) 18:24, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That counts as an incident and the source is legit, so adding a two-sentence description of the incident to the article is acceptable. Jackdude101 talk cont 18:36, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ward Kimball locomotive broke down 

message: What does the Santa Fe No. 3751 steam locomotive got to do with the Disneyland Railroad? Trains13 (talk) 00:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: They're both historic steam railroad-related things based in the LA area. Also, iirc, there have been instances where locomotives from the DRR and 3751 have appeared simultaneously at rail events. Jackdude101 talk cont 16:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, you mean the Fullerton Railroad Days events? Trains13 (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's the one. Jackdude101 talk cont 10:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so that makes sense. :) Trains13 (talk) 00:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Santa Fe 3751]]