Talk:Torrid (clothing retailer)

message: I'm sorry, but I really have to ask: A plethora of the clothing sold may be considered "hard to find," as they claim that much of their clothing is not mass-produced.
What does this mean? If it's actually hard to find, they surely wouldn't be selling a plethora of it. Is "hard to find" a specialized term in fashion, that we should define in the article? Or am I just confused? -FZ 21:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial comments

message: "The assortment is offered in sizes 12 to 26, with each item put through a rigorous quality control and fit process to ensure the best product for the Torrid customer. Torrid gives the young, plus-size woman a unique opportunity to match the style, excitement and selection available at other fashion apparel retailers." Woohoo, gives the young, plus-sized (fat) women the EXCITEMENT of the UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. This has advertisment all over it, and would never be found in an encyclopedia worded so. Do not people read encyclopedia's anymore, the non-biased language is a pretty easy concept to grasp. But of course, this must be some sort of corporate meddling because it sounds so biased and "addy"
:I agree with the above. I don't know where this falls (weasel words? NPOV?) but it definitely reads more as an advertisement than an encyclopedia. Xazy 07:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since nobody has said anything for nearly a month, I removed the aformentioned as well as some other paragraphs that seemed to be advertisements more than encyclopedic material (honestly, does Wikipedia need to tell us how to navigate their website?). Upon further consideration, the whole article reads as an ad more than an informational piece, but I don't know enough about Torrid to rewrite without basically blanking the page. ♪Xazy♪ 16:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: advertisement

message: Since when does plus sized mean overweight?  Take a look at plus-sized model and see if you can even find the word "overweight" on there.  I agree that this is NOT an issue of POV, but the fact is that while some torrid customers might be overweight, the implication by saying "plus sized (overweight)" that the two terms mean the same thing is absurd. Rgrizza 01:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The plus-sized model article seems to have a different definition from what most people probably think of. I've personally never seen a model that wasn't either overweight or underweight. the 'Venus de Milo' example is definitely normal-healthy-weight, but normal's a pretty narrow category in female build (having fat as such a large constituent of one's body mass makes one susceptible to over/underweightness, right?)
***If you want to put a number on when weight tips to being either over- or under-, be my guest.  The plus-size model entry reflects the reality of the industry.  If you don't believe the facts, then that's your perogative, but you shouldn't be developing Wiki entries around the topic as your POV lacks objectivity. AntiVanity 22:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  plus-size = overweight?? 

message: Are Torrid/Hot Topic marketing staff considered a reliable source for this article? (Shelbing 21:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marketing pitch 

message: After working on several retail articles, I am seeing some general patterns emerge. I think a standard focus should be employed with most of these retail articles.
1) Name of the store and a brief synopsis of location, size and origin.
2) What do they sell, who do they sell it to, and how much do they make selling it? Wiki links should be used as often as possible.
3) Any divisions within the company of merit.
4) Verifiable appearances in print publications, awards, lawsuits, or other wiki-referenced media: books, music, movies, etc...  WITH REFERENCES!! 
5) Notable spokespersons, critics, charitable contributions... WITH REFERENCES. "It's widely known," and "most people agree" have no place in these kinds of articles (in my opinion).
6) Company Culture... and this is where it gets tricky. What ultimately appears in this area should give "the essence" or "the flavor" of the retailer, without being editorial, critical or a ringing endorsement.
In a recent edit to this page, I attempted to begin a move toward this structure. I have left out the Company Culture section, but would like to start a dialogue about it. I think it might be appropriate to talk about the plus size controversy, but I can't find any sources to even begin to form a summary. Also, I understand Torrid may sponsor certain events, separate from Hot Topic, but again I am running into a wall finding any of them.
Any information on sources citing Torrid would be greatly appreciated.
--Digitalmischief (talk) 06:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References, References, References! 

message: It has been proposed that this article refer to the target audience of young women as "overweight" rather than as the article was written, "plus sized." The argument has been that "overweight" is a medical term, and should not be considered offensive.
My input: This isn't a medial article, it's an article about a retail store which would never refer to its customers as "overweight." Also, "overweight" is a medical judgment based on age, frame, heredity and other factors, and can only be determined by a medical doctor. Whereas "plus size" is not dependent on those medical factors, but applies to anyone wearing "plus sized" clothing. 
Please list your feedback, and help me make sure that this is not changed to "overweight" without significant community support. --OliverTwisted  (Talk) (Stuff) 22:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This conversations should be consolodated in one place - but my take is the same here as at Talk:Hot Topic - our source says plus size, we say plus size. -- The Red Pen of Doom 11:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but that is just wrong all the way around. "Plus sized" means that it falls outside of the standard industry size run for women's clothing, which is typically size 4-12. Anything size 4 or below is considered "petite." Anything above a size 12 is considered "plus sized." You wouldn't say that Wet Seal carries clothing geared toward "underweight" women, just as you wouldn't say that Torrid carries clothing geared toward "overweight" women, because you are talking about clothing, not making a medical determination of their body mass index. This isn't an NPOV issue, it is a vocabulary issue. A six foot tall woman may indeed have to wear "plus sized" clothing, as in outside a standard size run. This has nothing to do with her weight. This isn't a store-specific term, it is a retail industry term. Men's stores, for example use the term "Big and Tall" to describe clothing that is size 50 or above, which again refers to the clothing size, not the body mass index. "A plus-size model is a female dress size 14 or higher  in North American sizing, 14 or higher in Australian sizing, and 16 or higher in U.K. sizing." http://www.apparelsearch.com/Definitions/Fashion/plus_size_models.htm --OliverTwisted  (Talk) (Stuff) 22:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plus Sized vs Overweight 

message: Just saw a reference to Torrid Holdings, Inc (NYSE: CURV), but WP still shows it as Torrid, LLC. Crunchbase shows Torrid/Torrid Holdings still owned by Sycamore Partners, but it's unclear what the legal name of the company is. Google lists CURV as "Torrid Holdings Inc". Not quite sure how to untangle this or find sources. --Astronouth7303 (talk) 14:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torrid Holdings?