Talk:Shotgun slug

message: I don't agree that this should be merged in Shotgun shell, but I think the minor slug articles would benefit from being merged into this, such as Brenneke slug, Foster slug, etc. Arthurrh 01:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge slug articles 

message: This article describes the Brenneke slug as being a variant of the Foster slug, but
the individual articles on each slug indicate that the Brenneke slug dates to the 1890's, and that the Foster slug was not invented until the mid 1900's.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.91.83 (talk) 17:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake 

message: This article claims that the 'rifling' on a Foster slug imparts spin, but the Foster slug article states that it does not.  Which is it?  203.20.253.5 04:36, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does impart some spin, but the issue of "how much" and "does it make a difference" are subject to debate.  Chuck Hawks says the rifling is not effective, by this article on new slug designs shows that the new, high-tech slugs for smoothbores still use rifling, some, like the Winchester Super-X PowerPoint, RackMaster, and some slugs I've seen for handloading, have even extended the fins up to the tip so that they become more effective.  On the other hand, no one quotes any sources or stats on just how much spin is or isn't imparted by the "rifling", but since they makers still include it, I'm going to guess it does serve some purpose.  As for why all rifled slugs are also mass-forward designs: since the spin is imparted by airflow, something, such as a mass-forward design or an attached base, is required to keep the slug stable until it can begin to spin.  scot 15:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One more note...if it was in fact the case that mass-forward design was all that was stabilizing a rifled slug, you would expect it to tumble after it impacted and flattened out.  Looking at the performance in ballistic geletin, you can see that the slug reaches full expansion (from 18 to 28 mm) only 5 cm into the gelatin, and continues on for 30 cm more in a straight line, coming to rest front forwards.  That seems to be strong evidence that the slug had developed some spin before it hit the target.  scot 15:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: I just happened by and noticed the lead changes tense twice and isn't very clear all around.  I will try to tweak it but don't have time at present so if someone else gets a shot please do so.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 19:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead needs work 

message: It would be of great value if this article discussed the benefits of slugs as compared traditional rifles in generic terms.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.146.159.115 (talk) 03:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Benefits

message: A recent edit added a large paragraph directly into the "Use" section. It concerns an alleged study done by a company called Mountaintop Technologies.
The existing body of the section claimed that shotgun slugs provide better range while hunting. The new additions from the edit claim this to be false, and go on to claim the study proved it true. On top of this, rather than modifying the whole section to show the new information, it was added in such a manner that causes it to look more like a forum post, as if arguing with the existing information rather than just updating it.
As a final point, while it concerns a study done, there is no citation anywhere in the section. I was going to edit it to fit better on the page, without the argumentative nature, however I was unsure if the lack of citations concerning a study meant that the edit should simply be reverted.
Could someone more familiar with the guidelines concerning citations decide if it should stay? 
Zamte (talk) 05:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  March 23rd edit concerning the "Use" section 

message: The article states that all "sabot slugs" are of jacketed or monolithic copper construction.  However, I am given to understand that Federal Cartridge Co. manufactures and sells a saboted shotgun slug in calibers 12 and 20 gauge that is an unjacketed projectile made of pure soft lead, about 0.58" caliber in 12 gauge, in a plastic sleeve, apparently intended for use with rifled barrels.  I do not think that this is the first such design ever to have existed, and in fact the article mentions the old BRI designs from forty years ago.
Also, speaking of ammunition for shotguns that discharges a single large projectile contained in a protective sleeve of some kind, would the old Finnish hunter's trick of removing the lead birdshot from a shotgun shell and replacing it with a large (15-18mm) steel ball bearing wrapped in paper, ball bearing and wrapping thickness chosen carefully and fitted to the specific shotgun so that it will not damage the choke?  This was, back in the Depression Era, a way for a hunter who might have had only a shotgun and not a rifle in his possession to hunt for elk or wild boar.  It was said to be not very accurate, and could only be used effectively within 30-40m, but was much preferable to a pointy stick.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.40.24 (talk) 17:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  sabot slug? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Starting a new section to explain my reversion point-by-point:
1) "Ribs" are the preferred term per .  They are also a more accurate description as 'fin' implies that they stabilize the slug by spinning it through the air.  Rather, they act more like reverse rifling acting on the projectile in the bore, per the patent. It is also desirable to use the same nomenclature throughout the article.
2) Spin: The spin is, indeed, imparted on the projectile.  Two separate styles of slug use external rifling to spin the projectiles.  This spins them slowly and improves accuracy.  This has been authoritatively demonstrated by the article I linked.
3) Range:  The slug has no intrinsic range.  It is wholly subjective and in the place of any statutory/manufacturers recommendation, or broad consensus, 'range' should be left out as arbitrary and, frankly, silly.
4) Choke wear:  Manufacturers consistently state that the slug is SAFE to be fired from any choke.  Modern choke is designed to withstand steel shot without damage.  A lead slug that is DESIGNED to be shot safely through the choke does not wear the choke.  That is, of course, unless you have a darned good reference that says it does.  I need measurements and barrel life estimates.
5) Handloading:  Wikipedia is not a reloading manual.  I removed reloading suggestions. --Winged Brick (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ribs, Roll Crimping, Name, etc.