Talk:One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich

message: "The book has been criticised for it's "pro smoking" themes."
: By whom? Is this some kind of crap joke?
:That's hilarious... my one laugh-out-loud moment of the day. -Rolypolyman 23:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. This book is not just a Sinclairian referendum of a subhuman institution, it is also an introspective journey into a prisoner's motivation to survive and fight for something to live for. A comparable work is Victor Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning", although that book is a memoir, not a novel.24.23.231.38 10:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: The beginning of the article mentions only one but there have been at least two, I'm pretty sure... I have two copies, both translated by Ralph Parker, but they're a little bit different. I'm not sure how different but I know that they are different. One is this one: http://www.conservativebookstore.com/gifs/bookcovers/solz.jpg and one is this: http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0141184744.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg - Jarn 02:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More than one translation by Ralph Parker 

message: What the hell is the main theme for this novella?  I mean the general theme? Oppression under Soviet rule? LOTRrules 21:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppression under Soviet rule, and imprisonment, in general are good guesses I'd say. But one theme seems to me to be the loss of individual identity in the Gulag camp system. This ties in with the general loss of individual identity of "Russian" communism, which was surely corrupted from the original intention of communist/socialist ideologists (i.e. what Marx really intended ?)...Its also a stab at any sort of "big brother" government...at least, thats my best guess. Hope it makes at least some sense...Engr105th (talk) 02:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can cite a verifiable and reliable source, such as a book review, for your interpretation, it would be a useful addition to the article. We can't do original research. --Jtir (talk) 15:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood; thanks...By way of explanantion, I was intending to respond to posts by LOTRules above in order to make suggestions as to what to look for. Wasn't asking that my remarks be accepted as text for the article...As an aside, this book has been heavily reviewed, but the problem is that most reviews probably pre-date the internet - so locating them quickly (and posting where others can see/critique) may be problematic. Engr105th (talk) 03:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the responses, anyway why not include this in the article?  The book was highly controversial...  LOTRrules (talk) 22:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "reviews probably pre-date the internet": That's fine. You don't have to cite sources that are online. Book reviews, articles, commentaries by translators, critical introductions, etc. would all be excellent sources. --Jtir (talk) 23:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Theme?

message: How about we go for the ultimate rating?  The article looks fine and if anybody else is willing we can work together to get this up to featured status.  So what do you say?  Anyone out there? In an actual fact this did win the Nobel Prize... should be easy then.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LOTRrules (talk • contribs) 01:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, and thanks LOTRrules (talk) 18:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: FA Status

message: Shouldn't the quote be in the commentary section? Seems a bit tedious and pointless to have it at the end of the plot.  And the commentary section is wriiten like a review - seems familiar, not sure if it is copyright...anyway we should get a review from website or magazine/journal's that prove this is true. LOTRrules (talk) 01:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical commentary & Quote

message: For a complete citation, we will need to say who wrote the introduction to the Parker translation. I have a Signet Classics edition (1998) of the Parker translation with a foreword by Aleksandr Tvardovsky (it is unclear, but presumably this is from Novy Mir) and an introduction by Yevgeny Yevtushenko. --Jtir (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the reception? I did. I thought it would be relavent sine it is the first English translation. Even thought the Willit's is by far the best the Parker one is just as significant. LOTRrules (talk) 22:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh...wait.  The introduction to the Parker translation was written by Parker himself.  Are oyu working to get the article featured too?  Because if this is a problem we'll need to sort it out.  This section (Parker translation) in the book is short biography written by Parker himself LOTRrules (talk) 22:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I thought it was relavent LOTRrules (talk) 22:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clearing that up. Citing Parker's intro. is fine. I amended the bibrec to say that he wrote the intro. --Jtir (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who wrote the introduction to the Parker translation? 

message: Hi, I have a fairly good Solzhenitsyn collection, (see the photograph on my user page), I would be very pleased to help with sources, (page numbers and so forth), if you need it for this v. important article.--GrahamColmTalk 23:11, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be terrific. Are all those books related to AS? And I see that you have Russian language expertise too. --Jtir (talk) 23:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: * I've been collecting Solzhenitsyn since 1968 and can provide most of the citations that this article will eventually need. :-) Best wishes, Graham. --GrahamColmTalk 19:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: These are some suggestions from User:GrahamColm for references. Copied from User talk:LOTRrules. --Jtir (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggested references 

message: I've written the theme and I'm going to get the citations later on. Watch this space LOTRrules (talk) 19:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done the citationa.  The theme section is complete  LOTRrules (talk) 16:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Theme

message: It has been some time since I have read the novel, but I remember that one of the interesting points about it from a stylistic point of view is that it takes the rules of Socialist Realism and turns them on their head - e.g., the focus on a single day with a single goal, distortions in time that allow impossible things to be done, etc.  If someone has read the novel more recently and has a cite to some critical literature on this, it would really help put the novel into the broader context of 20th Century Russian lit.  --8.11.254.188 (talk) 21:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socialist Realism 

message: I've read this book many times, and I know that there are 24 men in gang 104 - not 23. Only 23 go out to work because Panteleyev stays behind to snitch, but he is still a member of the gang.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.50.72 (talk) 19:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot - minor mistake

message: The novel is popular because it describes the human condition--we are all trying to survive from day to day, whether in a gulag or working at some minimum wage retail job here in tne USA.  This is its universal appeal...we are all oppressed.  This is its THEME. (Anyone out there ever known real freedom?) I remember first reading it in high school and thinking, "This describes high school perfectly".  This is the mantra:  "Do what you are told, believe what we tell you to believe, work harder, faster, longer, for less and less pay, or you will be punished".  --That's one day in the life of an American worker, alright.  Okay, hope I cleared up the "theme" question.  69.236.142.116 (talk) 21:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Theme 

message: So it says that Senka molested bodies of dead children. I'll leave it up because I might have missed something but I'm pretty sure that's not true. So if no one can give evidence of this I'll take it down/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blt33 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry that I did not get to this sooner. Another editor has reverted the edit in question. The original text is, "Сенька    Клевшйн — он тихий, бедолага.  Ухо у него лопнуло одно, ещё в сорок    первом." Willets translates this to, "A quiet fellow, Senka Klevshin. One of the poor devil's ear drums had burst back in '41."  The edit was vandalism. Thanks to you and the IP editor for spotting this. Graham Colm (talk) 21:31, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senka 

message: The article describes Tsezar Markovich with the words "Some discussions in the novel indicate that he holds formalist views in art, which were probably the reason for his imprisonment." With "formalist" linking to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formalist_film_theory.  Perhaps it would be better to link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_formalism, which specifically discusses "'Formalism' as political offense".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.12.66.6 (talk) 13:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Task for One More Edit-Oriented Than Me