Talk:Second Battle of Sirte

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thread_title:  Auto-archiving 

message: I don't think that there's any doubt that Convoy M.W.10 and Operation M.G.1 and was on balance a win for the Axis, but the Battle of Sirte was just part of the entire Operation M.G.1, and the Battle of Sirte, in isolation,  was a victory for the Royal Navy.Damwiki1 (talk) 23:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Already discussed some years ago, consensus reached (in accordance with cited sources) that the battle led to the British "strategic and operational failure" (Stephen, Martin; Grove, Erik (1998) Sea Battles in Close-up: World War Two. Naval Institute press, p. 115. )--Darius (talk) 23:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Battle of Sirte is not Operation M.G.1. I feel that the Battle of Sirte and Operation M.G.1 should not be covered in a single article titled Battle of Sirte, but that there should be separate articles for both.Damwiki1 (talk) 03:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read the cited source (note #2)? It's crystal-clear that the battle and the fate of M.G.1 are inextricably connected. Making a separated article for the convoy operation would be WP:CFORK. And please, read also the two-year long discussion on the page talk archives.--Darius (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

text: There are precedents for treating important battles separately from the overall operation, such as the Battle of the Denmark Strait being given a separate entry from Operation Rheinübung and I don't think we need to be so rigid as to  be unwilling to give a separate entry for the Battle of Sirte and for Operation M.G.1., especially as that would allow better treatment of a tactical victory (Sirte) versus a strategic failure (M.G.1).Damwiki1 (talk) 19:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What I mean by "read note #2" is that whether or not we could have an article on M.G.1, the operational failure of the convoy is the main consequence of the battle, and there is nothing wrong in the infobox's "result" entry in its current status.--Darius (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Sirte versus Operation M.G. 1 

message: Only when I began to copy-edit the article did I realise the severe structural problems of the article which led me to give up and revert what I'd altered. There is far too much reliance on slabs of quotations which clutter the references section. Quotations should be in the text or in notes, not used as a substitute for the editor describing the nature of OR. When writing the gist of a RS, we don't need to put a quote of the passage in the RS in a citation, only the means to find the section by author, year and page. It is also better to use RS to describe the event and leave explanation and descriptions of differing views by RS to the aftermath section, rather than peppering the text with meandering commentary on discrepancies, disagreements among the RS and anomalies. Several comments by editors in the article are flagrant OR and significant parts of the article belong in a bibliographical list, not a prose article. I wouldn't cut much but I suggest that the article should be re-written according to the Wiki manual of style. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 12:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Made a start on resolving my moan. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempted ce 

message: Hi.
Im not trying to POV-Pushing here but, The Battle is A Italian Victory . Iachino had succeeded to lure the convoy to a massive Axis Air attack. Sinking Most of The convoy and its Destroyer Escorts. If the British DE's (Destroyer Escort) had successfully evade the Italian Fleet and the Convoy managed to slip and survive the Massive Air Attack then that would be  a total British victory. Jheeeeeeteegh (talk) 01:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Our opinions are irrelevant, it's what the reliable sources say that matters. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 04:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luring The Convoy