Talk:List of Kim Possible episodes

message: Well, I can see hours of hard work vanishing into thin air. All because a bunch of admins got together and thought they'd like to flex their muscle and unilaterally gut a ton of pages across wikipedia. There is no specific legal precedent for any of the fears the people behind this are throwing around and no reason why such disputes could not be handled on an individual basis if they did manage to somehow materialize. You've gone and without warning undid untold hours of many wikipedians' hard work, creating a 'discussion' thread in some obscure corner and declared victory before many authors were even aware something had happened and before almost any had a chance to speak. Now what we've done is redefined as merely 'decorative' so everybody feels better about stomping out such an unnecessary and wasteful luxury. This is more about people wanting to be busybodies and exercise their power than any real copyright concern. I only wish I had the time to deal with this situation more at this moment.  
Jarwulf 09:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Riot!!! ;) jkjkjk I agree with you...mainly that the community should have been informed of the decision before it was carried out. Jumping cheese Cont@ct 12:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So do I. I just saved some episode articles for future expansion, and I had no idea how many I had to save in the first place. My 1G flash drive is running out of room. ---- DanTD 15:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, let's start by collecting every detail from previous versions so we can revert them. For the record, this kind of crap isn't just going on with KP episode lists, and it's wrong either way! ---- DanTD 01:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To make matters worse, before any of us can even try to expand an episode, some jackasses remove them right away. I'm afraid to mention any other examples out of fear I might give them some ideas. ---- DanTD 01:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully after finals, i can assist you in expanding them. Finals week sucks majorly. Just keep your eyes out for any sources you can find on the episodes like I am. If you see something bookmark it for later if you have to. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I missed something. Who called who an asshole? --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: jackasses, sorry. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 02:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they shouldn't act like jackasses, if they don't want people to call them that. Now I see that somebody has deleted almost ALL episodes!! I say we retrieve them from older versions, and post them on Television Wiki... unless somebody tries to join that and delete those too!! ---- DanTD 19:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, for now, how about we have pages for episodes that have aired?  Once an ep airs, we can go back and restore the episode page and add in info. But before that it's all spec anyway.  I restored Big Bother, and the rest seem to be okay. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 02:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Virtu-Ron, Job Unfair, The Golden Years, Triple S, and Rewriting History are among five episodes that are deleted, but outside of KP there are plenty of episodes of other shows that are being deleted unjustly, which should explain my hostility. ---- DanTD 02:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: After finals ima head over to the Suite Life, Charmed and Hannah Montana pages and work on those. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly suggest forming a general sandbox to work on these in. That way, you can try to improve them without leaving worthless articles. TTN 02:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to use my userspace like I do for character pages I work on.  Just a tip for anyone working on these, work on the most important eps first. Pilots, finales, award winning eps, recent eps, etc. Don't just do random episodes, we need the most important episodes first. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 03:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't know how to make a sandbox. I tried to do that on other articles and failed. What I usually do is save them on text files that I store on a flash drive, and then post articles. ---- DanTD 00:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hannah Montana's episode pages use the WP:EPISODE format, so I'm assuming those SHOULD be safe...  WAVY 10 16:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: removal

message: Is there a source for the title of the two-part finale? Everyking 07:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Finale title

message: The user who removed the pictures should at the very least finish what they started.
If they truly believe that the pictures do not belong, then they must go through the page by hand (bots only create more problems) and modify each and every table so that there isn't a blank placeholder where the picture once was.
I consider messing around with a page and leaving the job only half finished, forcing other's to pick up the pieces to be an unwarranted disruption of Wikipedia.
perfectblue 12:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the "Screenshots" section above.  There was a decision by the Wikipedia administration to remove screenshots from ALL episode list articles on Wiki.  While I don't agree with the decision, myself, I'm not going to fight it; it's not vandalism when it's admins carrying out a decision by the administration.  Rdfox 76 01:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow...I guess I missed something rather major. All the pics are gone. =( Jumping cheese Cont@ct 03:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: From the looks of the history log...there were some major edit warring. Good point about informing the editors beforehand, and the fact that a consensus has not firmly been established yet is also bothering me. Well, I guess you can contact an admin and request for clean-up edits. =) Jumping cheese Cont@ct 07:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finish what you've started 

message: : Deleted per our fair use policy - please do not keep galleries of fair use images in userspace. Please read our fair use policy. Fair use images should only be used to illustrate an article, at no point should an article be created to keep fair use imagery. There's a lot of people who contribute to Wikipedia on the understanding their work can be freely used by anybody else - when you start adding fair use images to articles, this restricts the ability of work to be freely redistributed. Please, in future, remember to follow our fair use policy which is designed to make work as easy to redistribute as possible. -- Nick t 14:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. But perhaps I can help. Except of the screenshot from the episode Roachie I have saved the other deleted screenshots. If you or another create the episode pages I will upload the screenshots. --Dannebrog Spy 21:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Final resting place for images

message: Will an admin please edit this page to Talk:List of Kim Possible episodes/example :) -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 00:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I unprotected the page. C Mummert · talk 11:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Page updated. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please edit page

message: We should probably address all the rampant 'asides' on the summaries (first appearance of XYZ).  Those nitty gritty details ought to go on the character pages or episode pages, but by including it all here we're going past the scope of an episode list.  Also, there's a lot of speculation going on here that should be removed... -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 02:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now that the layout is fixed ... 

message: Since there seems to be some confusion here...
*Episode Number is designated by airdate and time.
*Production Code is determined by when the episode was written.
Now, these two numbers systems are out of sync on purpose, because Disney does not generally air a series in prod-code order. And yes, it drives us all batty, but that's the way it is.  Sorry.  I've reordered Season four based on TV.Com, which is the most reliable source I can find.  The prod codes are correct, the episode numbers are (I believe) correct, and the episodes are listed in the order of airdate and time.  Please don't change them unless you can cite a more reliable source for the order. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 14:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: TV.com isn't an authoritative source. It's just like Wikipedia, but rather uses an editor system. Production Code means several things at TV.com, each editor has their own way. Regardless, the production codes at TV.com are wrong (as per the U.S. Copyright Office). Matthew 15:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was matching them up to TVGuide and they looked okay, but if they're wrong and we can fix them, then I'm all for it! :) Is there a link the common editor can get to for the Copyright Office? And that doesn't change the basic 'Episode order != prod code order' issue. I've been reordering the eps based on air date every couple days. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 15:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The U.S. CO is publicly search-able. Click here, select "Title" and input Kim Possible. You'll notice that season one seems to use 1-21, while season two appears to have "KP-xyz" prefixed, etc. Matthew 15:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem to list all the episodes though. Ugh. Hard to make a list off that if you can't get all the data. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 16:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yea. You have to wait several months for the govt. to index, or something. Try the credits for the episode, sometimes production codes are also listed in credits. Matthew 16:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Addendum - Saying that season four is in 'chronological' order misses the point. Firstly, all four seasons are listed by airdate, so if you're going to say that for one, you ought to say it for all. Secondly, it doesn't explain anything and that chronological link has been redirected to the Chronological order disambig page. We're not adding anything of information value with that link. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 19:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Order Explanation 

message: I don't know if this has already been discussed, but I just noticed at least half of KP's Season 2 episodes redirect to this list.  WAVY 10 16:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given what's up here I wouldn't be shocked if most of the KP eps get redirected. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 18:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 2 

message: The air dates appear to be incorrect on several of the episodes (e.g. "Mathter and Fervent"). Matthew 13:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airdates 

message: I don't really think we can prove that their episode summaries are official until we get some kind of promo or something.  They may be the most likely plots, but they're still just assumptions based on what's been unofficially hinted at. Maetch 17:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've finally seen some official info concerning the episode plots, so I guess I'm A-OK now. Maetch 18:37, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did they ever have episode summaries? I never saw them since somebody DELETED ALL OF THEM!! I say we should all revert The Prince of Darkness's deletion of the episodes, even if we get accused of vandalism!! --- DanTD 20:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

text: This prince of darkness guy is just a vandal. Can you guys help me stop him? --=CJK= 21:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Larry's Birthday and Graduation 

message: I noticed that none of the episodes in the list have the prod. codes 406 or 415 and on the other hand there are two with the codes 418 and 420 respectively.
Is this an error or does it really reflect the actual numbering by the producers? And if so, how come?
Suppiluliuma 13:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 4 production codes 

message: I came here hoping to find an answer to that question, but it's not addressed.  If I follow airing order, there's story problems.  If I follow the order Disney is using on Wednesday Sept 5 (production code), that too has story problems, such as references to episodes that have not aired.  Is there a proper order?  -  Theaveng 20:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There has never been any word on the "proper" chronological order of the episodes, other than Steve Loter saying that, while he has no clue what Disney's scheduling people are smoking when they select the airing order, production order isn't the correct order, either.  He never gave us any details on the "correct" order, though... Rdfox 76 22:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Proper Story Order for episodes?  

message: Referencing: http://tv.disney.go.com/disneychannel/kimpossible/schedule  -  The first three seasons are run "in order" following the production code (101, 102... 301, 302...), but the fourth season being shown on Friday runs in an order that seems completely random:  401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 409, 411, 408, 407, 412, 410, 414, ... when following wiki's numbers.
On the other hand, it could be that Disney IS following the production code number (in their TV ads they claim to be showing episodes "in order"), and it is wikipedia that is wrong.  I'm more inclined to believe Disney's claims of following the proper order, especially since the first three seasons were shown following the production code (101--405), and that wikipedia probably has the incorrect numbers.      -  Theaveng 15:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors in Season 4 Production Codes? 

message: Somebody keeps trying to change the order.  That's fine with me, but such a major revision should be TALKed about first.  In my opinion there's no reason to change from the Airdate Format, one that has served us well for almost four years now.  Plus using airdate is the preferred method for episode guides.  I'd rather follow convention.  ---- Theaveng (talk) 18:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't change the episode order (airdate)

message: It may be a fansite but the creators, director, and writers for the show posted on the message board. The confirmed production numbers were given by Steve Loter. The director of Season 4. 
http://ronstoppable.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=episode&thread=8580&page=1#294028
And here's proof they all posted on the board. 
http://ronstoppable.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=members&view=staff
That's Steve Loter (Director) http://ronstoppable.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=steveloter, Bob Schooley (Co-Creator) http://ronstoppable.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=schooley, Mark Mccorkle (Co-Creator) http://ronstoppable.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=mccorkle, and etc. 
So if you want people to have wrong production numbers by all means keep them as is. But the correct ones from the director of the series himself are at the following site.
http://www.kpfanworld.com/eplist  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.84.20 (talk) 06:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Season 4 Production Numbers Are Way Off