Talk:EastEnders theme tune

message: Tonight Peggy's theme was used, not Julia's. 07/07/11  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.204.59 (talk) 19:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Not Julia's Theme

message: I've just added information about tonight's use of Julia's theme. The section seems a bit mixed up so I thought I'd ask what people think about rearranging the uses into reverse date order (excluding first use, last use and longest theme, which can be mentioned in a paragraph near the top), put into a list with dates. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's so nice when we discuss things. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, didn't see this! -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 13:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ok, just my humour. To be honest, I don't like the table :-( but it's better than it was. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: "Julia's theme" is actually a really long piece of music. They use different parts of it for different endings. This was a longer version, that's all. Here's the full version on this video  Gungadin 19:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah thanks! Also, listening to this this, it would seem they've re-edited it slightly sticking 1:26-1:43 and 2:00-2:06 together to create the theme heard in Frank's Funeral and previously during Sonia & Martin's exit. Is this a noteworthy point to make anywhere in the article? ~~ Peteb16 (talk) 20:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: do you mean that it leads into the regular theme? It always does that. It just replaces the drumbeats.Gungadin 20:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No the other youtube video I found  has the entire original song. If you listen to the tune from 1 minute 26 seconds you'll see it matches until 1:43 where it leads off. At 2:00 you hear the bit that would normally lead into the normal theme (without drums). They've obviously re-edited these parts together. ~~ Peteb16 (talk) 21:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

text: We've discussed this. Do you have a source? Why would they take away from Peggy's exit by using her theme for another character? The theme was made for Peggy and nobody else. Giving it to Ronnie would be totally wrong. –AnemoneProjectors– 11:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Julia's theme 

message: We have this listed as a Julia theme moment, but if you listen to this , It wasnt Julia's theme being used.Gungadin 01:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ian Beale being declared bankrupt 

message: There are two episode which should be here:
11 Nov 2005 and 17 May 2001, both episodes  did not use the theme tune for the closing credits, instead, a song was used. I cant remember which song though. 88.104.118.95 (talk) 19:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative endings 

message: Didnt the episode when Wellard die end with an East 17 song? Can somone confirm that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.157.193 (talk) 20:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Stay Another Day" played during his death but it didn't replace the theme tune. anemoneprojectors talk 20:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wellard 

message: Why was Ian and Laura's wedding removed from the Julia's Theme list?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 13:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think every instance of Julia's Theme from before a certain date (creation of this article?) should be sourced, because the BBC said there were a certain number of uses and we have listed a lot more than they said there were. AnemoneProjectors 17:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think with recent memory good faith can be assumed. There's no better source than someone having viewed the episodes and you can generally assume good faith there if they were recent episodes as this was. It's ridiculous that's not allowed to count as a source. But the Ian and Laura one is on Youtube coincidentally here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs4t1tn83yI 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 21:53, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well people should still cite sources. And it wasn't that recent, it was nine years ago. But ok. It's fine to assume good faith but facts should still be backed up by sources. AnemoneProjectors 22:24, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well unless someone uploads a video as actual proof then it's hard to prove Julia's Themes but many people still remember them. 9 years is not that long ago it's more recent than 1980s and 1990s episodes and is still generally considered the modern era of the show. Anyway as you can see there's a video of the Julia's Theme that was added on Youtube so maybe you should add it back to the list now? Or is that not a good enough source for you? Be nice if you could ask before removing stuff especially as it was not vandalism or disruptive to the article. Be nice if you could admit you were wrong for a change before wading in feet first with your size tens.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 00:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I did say "ok". It's up to the person who adds the material so provide sources, so I was fully entitled to revert you the person who added it. AnemoneProjectors 00:52, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For your information I wasn't the one who added the info. I am just sick of valid info being removed in double quick time on the basis that you alone don't believe it. I appreciate there's no source but I think in the context of non-vandalism and something constructive then you could allow a little breathing space and raise it on the discussion page first prior to removing if no source is then provided? It's not the first time you've been wrong about something either you have even ADDED info to pages that has later turned out to be false (Ben Mitchell actor). It always seems to be what you believe or say goes and you weren't even one of the founding members of the EastEnders wikiproject. The likes of Gungadin should be having a much bigger say than you. I am not aware of what the Julia's Theme that was added said and am not going to root through the history. You removed it so you should do the work to add it back (now you have your source). Out of interest do you have a list of sources for the other 43/44 Julia's Themes if not why don't you just remove them as you're so fond of destroying people's work? and doubting them.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 12:04, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I didn't know it wasn't you. What did I add to articles that was false? I am rather insulted by this allegation. The founding member of the WikiProject is inactive, but that's nothing to do with it, all members are equal. Nobody gets a bigger say than anyone else. And for YOUR information, I reverted myself yesterday, and not just the wedding episode, but two other instances. I will refrain from reverting additions to the list in future. AnemoneProjectors 12:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You added that Charlie Jones no longer plays Ben Mitchell despite him still being in upcoming episodes. Anyway I'm not going to argue and I wasn't suggesting you're any less important than the founding member of the Project but I do think you have assumed total control over the EastEnders articles which is unfair on other users. It's not just you though there's a few Wikipedians who like to think of themselves as an authority and take ownership over certain subjects.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 15:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Got to agree with the anon I'm afraid. Instances like these are the reason I left Wikipedia. The contradictions annoy me as well. People are meant to provide a source to prove something they've added in good faith, but when a source is provided to say that a character's name has changed, (Bianca Butcher, Tiffany Butcher, Stacey Branning etc.) you use another crackpot wiki guideline to get your own way and leave it as the old name. Inconsistent and incorrect in my opinion. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 15:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I did make a mistake with Ben, but we knew the actor was going to be leaving, and it from watching the episode it was possible that it was his last. Nobody reverted me, so I could only assume my edit was correct. The "undo" button is there for a reason. It didn't need someone to have a go on the talk page, an edit summary containing the evidence that he was to appear in further episodes would have been fine. Characters' name is not for discussion on this talk page, but they do conform with Wikipedia policies, remembering that there is no "now" when it comes to fiction. AnemoneProjectors 17:23, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There are so many Wikipedia policies that contradict each other that it's very much open to the interpretation of whichever admin edits the article the most (and therefore has a psuedo-ownership over it) to decide which of them are enforced to suit how they think the article should appear. I was saying earleir on Walford Web that I wish I could kidnap Gungadin from here and get her to help me on the Walford Wiki as I think she's fab and shouldn't be stifled by so many stupid rules. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 17:48, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ian and Laura's wedding

message: I'm thinking "Peggy's Theme" probably should have its own section now, because not only will it be included on an album but will also get its own EP release. In fact, if it charts, the EP could get its own article. AnemoneProjectors 16:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peggy's Theme 

message: Do the doofs really increase in tempo (as claimed by the article's intro)?  Without listening to the theme tune, I'm guessing it's two dotted quavers, three quavers and four semi quavers (1.5 + 1.5 + 1 = 4).  As there are obviously more notes towards the end of the bar, I can understand someone describing this as an increasing tempo – but I'm not sure there is a tempo change (I'll have to listen to it), and so I don't think it should be described as such.  Any thoughts?  matt (talk) 19:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, if I tap out a tempo the doofs don't really increase in tempo. they go like... d..d..d.d.d.dddd. Does that make any sense? I know nothing about that kind of thing. AnemoneProjectors 19:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, that makes sense :) – pretty much what I meant – there's more notes at the end, but that doesn't mean the overall tempo is increasing.  matt (talk) 19:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If we could find a source that talks about the theme in terms of quavers or whatever, then that would be cool. AnemoneProjectors 20:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I've removed the tempo bit from the article as it was unsourced and (now) contested.  As another point, the audio sample doesn't include the drum intro and it really ought to – I can upload a replacement when I'm home from work.  matt (talk) 10:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Increasing in tempo" 

message: It needs to be documented somewhere that ever since the episode in which Charlie left, they've been using a shortened "Peggy's Theme", instead of the original and this is probably why everyone (including myself) have been trying to add tonights episode to the wrong list. ~~ Peteb16 (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Only Peggy and Ronnie have used Peggy's theme. I'm a huge fan of EastEnders and I noticed any slight change. They used the Julia's theme on Charlie's exit too, and Jane's. .. ..   23:19, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, compare the music during Stacey's departure  to that of Charlie's . The latter score has more in common with Peggy's deaprting scene . The latter two are also in a different key to the first. ~~ Peteb16 (talk) 07:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I see what you mean. This was the Julia's Theme that was used occasionally before the the one was introduced on 5 March 2010. I think it's just an alternate theme :-) .. ..   07:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: do you have a source to say they're using a shortened Peggy's Theme? It's only refered to as Julia's. I don't think it's Peggy's. Ronnie's was just a long Julia's theme, wasn't it? –AnemoneProjectors– 11:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No Ronnie definitely had Peggy's theme. I'm 100% positive. .. ..   14:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's original research though. Peggy's Theme was only made for Peggy's exit. –AnemoneProjectors– 15:10, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

text: The only way you can say it is anything other than Julia's theme is the moment you find a source backing yourself up.RaintheOne BAM 19:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look they would have called it 'Peggy and Ronnie Theme' if it was for both of them. Ronnie had a Julia's theme, they probably just have updated it to something different, they've probably done it in the past, just nobody has noticed it. MayhemMario 15:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes I agree, but Bryan Kirkwood would have said, 'Because fans no Ronnie so well, we've decided to give her a Peggy's theme.' Or something to them words. Unless a newspaper actually CONFIRMS it I think we should leave it. MayhemMario 16:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And that's still original research... –AnemoneProjectors– 09:49, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Peggy's theme is a version of Julia's theme, so all uses of Peggy's theme can still be listed in the Julia's theme list rather than "alternative endings", I would say with the exception of last night as it was the full theme - though it didn't sound like the one I remember from her original exit. I'd still prefer to see instances of Peggy's theme referenced to reliable sources because it's still original research. anemoneprojectors 07:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Julia's Theme confusion 

message: I heard a long time ago (not sure where or who from) that the drums in the EastEnders theme tune (or at least the toms at the beginning) are from one of their kits. Is this true? --217.39.35.230 (talk) 21:40, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can only imagine that Simon May is the only person who knows the answer to that! :-) –AnemoneProjectors– 15:02, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simmons 

message: Why are no performers credited? Do the BBC always use their own musicians for TV themes? Are they always part of e.g. BBC Symphony Orchestra, or whatever? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because we don't have, or have not found, any reliable sources to say who performed it. –AnemoneProjectors– 12:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, as I suspected. I was really just looking to fill the gap here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh right. There must be something out there, but I'm quite sure that May himself did the piano bits, and maybe even the initial drum beats, but I'm not a reliable source :-) –AnemoneProjectors– 13:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe he did all of it! But then even he wouldn't be a WP:RS, would he? (And how ever did he get onto the roof of Buckingham Palace with his guitar that time.. ) Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performers 

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