Talk:Sōsuishi-ryū

message: There are no "unauthorized" dojo of Sosuishiryu in existence. If one wanted to start up another entry, listing the true name of that "Unauthorized" and recently created style, that would be fine. Otherwise please do not associated it with Sosuishiryu as it exists in Japan or at the shibu dojo overseas- simply because there is no longer any connection (by their own admission and doing). Thanks! 
-Russ
Mekugi 11:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Mekugi 14:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: I just merged the Futagami-ryu article to this page. I feel that the content on the original Futagami-ryu article was rather bleak and the content on the SSR article is more detailed, so there was really nothing it could add to the page. If anyone feels otherwise, please feel free to add it into the page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mekugi (talk • contribs) 15:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futagami-ryu merged 

message: No one wants to be involved in an edit war. They need to be talked out....that means discussed here....as per Wikipedia guidelines - as a matter of Wiki public record. 
All the best and thanks! 
Mekugi 08:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avoiding edit wars.... 

message: Can someone check this against the sources used in the article?  I don't have any information about Sosuishi-ryu, but I do have at least one good source stating that "kumiuchi koshi no mawari" is a term that refers to grappling (armed and unarmed).  "Kumiuchi" and "koshi no mawari" were also used separately to refer to grappling skills.  Obviously, "koshi no mawari" just means "around the waist", so I suppose that Sosuishi-ryu could be using the term in a unique way; I'm just urging someone to double-check it, and if the article is currently accurate, perhaps a note could be added that "koshi no mawari" historically refers to grappling. Bradford44 18:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This source is probably from Draeger's book on classical martial arts about Takeuchi ryu. There is a slight error in what Mr. Draeger is writing because I suspect he wasn't that familiar with it (it happens). The truth is that it is not "really" grappling at all, but the use of the short sword and other items around the waist. In Takenouchi ryu it implies the use of the kogusoku/yoroi doshi, so it is not linked to grappling entirely, but to the use of weapons. This is how it is used in Sosuishi ryu because it also implies the use of the kodachi. The Makimono of Sosuishi ryu dated about 200 ago list the techniques under two categories, one being hte Kumi Uchi and the Other being Koshi no Mawari. This is also found in the book published by the Sekiryukan which shows some of the scrolls. :) 
Mekugi 08:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is one very good source available online: http://www.geocities.jp/minamoto_hitotsugu/kogusoku.htm
"The oldest known book on the bugei ryuha of Japan, the Honcho Bugei Shouden (Vol.9 1914) states:
"Kogusoku has been transmitted since ancient times. Takenouchi, one of the oldest bujutsu schools, is a great example of this because of its famous techniques with the Kogusoku (which are now called Koshinomawari.)" 
 
Takenouchi Hisamori, after being enlightened by the god Atago, created the base of the ryu in 25 omote kata, which are known as the koshinomawari.  Therefore, one cannot say they learned Takenouchi ryu without mastering the Kogusoku Koshinomawari.
 
Legend recounts that Atago, disguised as a Yamabushi, broke Hisamori's 2-shaku 4-sun bokuto in two and said "The long sword is no good for fighting" and taught him the kata of the kogusoku (short sword).  The kata has remained in the ryu since the year 1532.  
 
In the Kogusoku Koshinomawari kata, both opponents use 1-shaku 2-sun Kodachi. They first start in the "zaai" (seated) posture then go to kumiuchi, techniques designed around attacking– the opponent with the kodachi.
 
Kumiuchi generally referes to armor, but there are kata for dealing with bare-handed and tachi (long sword) wielding opponents." 
Hope that helps!! 
Mekugi 16:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Koshi no mawari" refers to swordsmanship?

message: Someone also needs to double check the founder's name, which I think should be Futagami Hanosuke Masanori, and not Futagami Hannosuke Masaaki. Bradford44 18:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Masanori is a mis-reading/mis-pronunciation of the name Masaaki. The founder's name appears in several other Japanese documents which concur this plus it matches the phonetic patterns of speech at that time (the edo era) just as one can trace words back to the times of Shakespeare and his pronunciations. The name was misread, it found its way into print and for lack of any type of research, it stuck. Mekugi 08:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Founder's name

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message: Harrington taught this style in Australia for 50 years or so, and at that stage, I believe, was the sole person teaching it outside Japan. This is references and obviously noteworthy, and she herself at the time was a rare woman instructing in martial arts as a sensei. 
The references to her were removed from the article, for no reasons, but clearly this is noteworthy, so I have put them back in. I believe responsibility for this style was taken from her and handed over to the people mentioned in the article, at which point she started her own dojo not connected with this one.
Deathlibrarian (talk) 09:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pat Harridton's involvement