Talk:Tattoo/Archive 2

message: ==== Gallery ====
Should this article contain a gallery of photos at the bottom of the article?
===== Support =====
# Support in concept image galleries are useful to illustrate a visual topic.  If good images are available, then they should be included.  I don't have a large number to suggest, at present. Johntex\talk 21:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick polls 

message: Should this article contain a gallery of photos at the bottom of the article?
===== Support =====
# Support in concept image galleries are useful to illustrate a visual topic.  If good images are available, then they should be included.  I don't have a large number to suggest, at present. Johntex\talk 21:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: # Support in concept image galleries are useful to illustrate a visual topic.  If good images are available, then they should be included.  I don't have a large number to suggest, at present. Johntex\talk 21:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: # Strong oppose - Only images directly relevant to illustrating a specific discussed concept in the body text advance the encyclopedic quality of the article. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 20:58, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose 

message: Should the image :Image:Man with tattoo on his back - at the beach - cropped.jpg be added to this article as additional illustration? (Comment on where, if supporting)
===== Support =====
# Support - Image is properly exposed as shown by :Image:Photo with histogram.JPG.  Useful to article to have a photo of a tattoo covering a back. Johntex\talk 21:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back tattoo from beach 

message: # Support - Image is properly exposed as shown by :Image:Photo with histogram.JPG.  Useful to article to have a photo of a tattoo covering a back. Johntex\talk 21:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: # Weak oppose - Image is of somewhat "washed out" quality because of high incidence angle sun illumination, and suffers glare spots.  A full back tattoo would be moderately desirable in principle, however. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 20:58, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose 

message: Beefart would like to see a section with some comment on how long tattoos last. He has seen old tattoos that look, well, a bit tatty. He has also read reports of tattoos made 50 years ago that are now just blue blurs. How long will a tattoo last and what can be done to maintain them in good condition? Captainbeefart 13:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Provided nothing's done to it, a tattoo should last forever.  If a tattoo is just a "blue blur" it's probably due to some external factor, as that shouldn't happen by itself.  Over time there will be some loss of color, this can be fixed with touch-ups and the amount of fading can be lessened by keeping the tattoo well protected from sunlight (using clothing and/or sunscreen). Fightindaman 14:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There might be an encyclopedic sentence or two that could be added on fading, but we should be careful to keep in mind that this article isn't "Advice for people getting tattoos".  It's a NPOV description of what tattoos are (including history, techniques, etc).  Actually, a little bit of the stuff on sterilization procedures leans a bit in that "Dear Abby" direction... maybe I'll work on cleaning up the language in that section a bit. While autoclaves and all are perfectly encyclopedic to mention, we're not providing readers with medical (or even aesthetic) advice. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 20:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life history of tattoos 

message: Unfortunately, some new editors mistakenly think that WP articles are improved by sticking in random link farms into a "See also" section.  I went through and removed a whole bunch of things that are already discussed in the main article (and should not be repeated in "See also", per WP style).  There are a couple remaining links in the "See also"... I'd like to delete that section altogether, but we should first incorporate prose mentions of the remaining concepts into the body text (or maybe just Wikilink existing mentions).  Feel free to help. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 16:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abusing "see also" 

message: I wonder about that section.  There is a lot of rather strange detail on links and names of inks, many of which have no WP articles.  It doesn't really feel like general readers will want the minutiae on all the different tinting substances, and their regulatory status (moreover, I think it is implicitly USA regulations that are mentioned, which might vary elsewhere; but the whole thing is unclear). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 16:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  All that stuff on approved inks 

message: I put a tag on the article .  This article can easily be split up into multiple articles.  I'll help out if necessary, but this is an extremely long article.  Bastique▼parlervoir 22:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In retrospect  was probably not the best template choice.  I suggest the History section be split into a History of tattoing article.  Bastique▼parlervoir 22:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support the split.  Actually, I wonder if it would be possible to split off some of the religious prohibition stuff into the same child/sibling article.  The part on Jewish law seems to keep growing with lots of details most readers really won't care about.  The decription itself seems perfectly encyclopedic; but the 98% of readers who aren't all that interested in Jewish theology don't really care about the various sectarian distinctions made between denominations (nor, for example, exactly what basis Maimonedes argued on, etc).  Similarly with the Christian and Muslim parts, but those seem to have grown less detail so far. LotLE×talk 19:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of article 

message: If someone wants to include information on some of the slang terms currently used to refer to certain types of tattoo that would be great, but I changed the caption on the photo to something a little bit more neutral and less confusing for folks who aren't current on the hip lingo the kids are using these days.  Zandrous 21:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on this.  Moreover, a slightly derogatory term is better to avoid in a caption when it is peripheral to the tattoo location/style itself. I think the term is still mentioned in the main text, but described with the caveat. LotLE×talk 18:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tramp Stamp? Tattoo=STD? 

message: In the last paragraph of this section, next to the image of the young woman with the tattoo on her lower back, the text states that Winston Churchill's mother had both of her nipples pierced and a snake tattoo around her wrist. This may be true, but I am highly skeptical. I've never edited Wikipedia before, so I don't know how to fix it if it is indeed vandalism. Can anyone verify the information? Dryad13 15:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism in "Reintroduction to the Western World"? 

message: It appears Doug rosenberg is at it again.  Not every single isolated case of a health effect associated with tattooing need be presented in an an encyclopedia, much less in the wildly overstated characterization Doug rosenberg gave.  I did not outright remove the MMWR mention of a small number of staph cases, but I did take out the WP:OR violation of his speculation of the motives about unlicensed tattooing (FWIW, I think he's basically right in the characterization, but it's not our place to speculate).
By way of perspective: I agree with the CDC, of course, that Methicillin-resistance in staph is a serious concern.  But the very article Doug rosenberg gave had a link to "Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus aureus Infections in Correctional Facilities --- Georgia, California, and Texas, 2001--2003" which documents a larger cluster of cases of the same disease, unrelated to tattoos (I'm pretty sure he's not going to put that in any corresponsing Wikipedia articles though).  I reckon that among the things Doug rosenberg won't add to articles are the discussion in the same MMWR issue about much larger number than 44 of polio cases in Pakistan; or the 354 Hep C 2006 cases among infants (much more than the number associated with tattoos); or the rather large increase in mumps in the USA.  Of course, those infectious issues are chosen just from that one weekly newsletter, many other things occur if you look at other weeks of MMWR. LotLE×talk 18:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, LuLu I must have mislinked this. I'm not sure where that link came from.  Of course since I know you will redit whatever I write severely I dont spend a lot of time perfecting it now! LOL. Doug rosenberg 22:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I care about your sexual confessions even less than I care about your lay medical advice.  Maybe there are bulletin-boards for both things, but Wikipedia ain't either.  The very minimal health risks associated with tattoos are very well understood, completely unconfusing, are not changing, and are not particularly "interesting" to Wikipedia readers other than yourself.  Please stop harming this article by inserting irrelevant speculation, or silly mischaracterizations (such as 44 cases of MRSA in 3 clusters being a "widespread outbreak"). LotLE×talk 08:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More [[WP:NPOV#Undue weight]] violations 

message: I received the below email on my Wikipedia account.  I suspect it's from the same person who erased all the Islam references:
 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 01:18:13 -0400
 From: "Ibrahim Masri" <imasri29@gmail.com>
 To: wikpedia@gnosis.cx
 Subject: Wikipedia Tattoo page
 Hey,
 I hope you're doing well. On wikipeida there is a tatto topic that
 states tattos are forbidden in islam. This is not true as many big
 scholars say tattos are not forbidden.
 Here's proof from Grand Ayatullah Ali Al-Sistani:
 http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/menu/4/?lang=eng&view=d&code=189&page=1
 If you would like more scholars' word, please let me know.
 -- 
 Ibrahim
I replied:
:If you can locate a better citation that you give here, I think that would be excellent information to include in the article.  What you give is doesn't meet Reliable Sources, since it is a very informal web page without any clear source of attribution; but assuming the facts are as you describe, a scholarly source shoudl be possible to find.
:Please continue this discussion on the talk page for the tattoo article.
:Btw. If you are the anonymous editor who has repeatedly removed all reference to Islam: DON"T DO THAT.  The idea that some Muslims feel a religious prohibition is well cited; a good citation of contrary opinion would be great, but not deletion of clearly relevant material.
LotLE×talk 16:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erasure of Islam 

message: Under Purposes, the line "Many music fans (mainly metal/alt) have tattoos of their favourite band to show their devotion to that band." is kind of a lame tack-on. One vote to strike. --64.238.49.65 19:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to strike 

message: From the paralel article on the Hebrew Wikipedia: 
היהדות אוסרת לחרוט כתובות קעקע על הגוף. איסור זה הוא אחד מתרי"ג מצוות ומקורו בויקרא יט,כח: "וְשֶׂרֶט לָנֶפֶשׁ לֹא תִתְּנוּ בִּבְשַׂרְכֶם וּכְתֹבֶת קַעֲקַע לֹא תִתְּנוּ בָּכֶם".
Rough translation: Judaism forbids engraving tattoos on the body. This prohibition is one of the 613 mitzvot and its source is in Leviticus 19, 28: "<snip bit that I can't translate> and you will not tattoo yourselves." 
Note that it definitely says "tattoo"; ktovet ka'ka is the accepted term for a tattoo (a more modern, colloquial version is ka'aku'a). The same passage from he:WP later mentions an interpretation by the Rambam, a very well-known biblical interpreter, that defines the tattooing process with a fair amount of accuracy (to scratch the flesh and fill it with ink or other coloring agents). 
This should probably be incorporated in the article somehow, but I'm unsure as to how. Any suggestions? LeaHazel : talk : contribs 22:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there's already a section on it, and I think if it exists, it should be as accurate and reflective of all available information as possible. A lot of biblical citations get taken out of context because of poor translation, so I thought I'd be able to contribute by providing some insight into the text in the original language. And yes, it's an article about tattoos, and the religious prohibitions against tattoos are a part of that, just like the stigma against tattooed people, the health risks, the equipment used etc. are a part of it. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 11:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tattoos in Judaism 

message: Hi all, new to wp, old to tattooing.
I've read all your posts above and I think...
1.a section on "possible repercussions" would be less judgemental than "health risks". 
2. I have replaced the top photo with a photo that is not washed out, is representative of modern tattoo art, is a bit more tasteful than the "tramp stamp" picture (haha) and does not show anyhone's face or too much(or little) background. Hope it works for you, I did the art and the work so I knew it could be safely donated to "the cause"
3.I added to the shop hygiene section, and added "pregnant or nursing" to reasons that a client may be refused service. Most states disallow pregnant and nursing women from being tattooed.
4.I think I f'ed up the code to leave a reference, if someone could patiently repair that, I would most appreciate it.
5.I would love to see a small list-much like the list for musicians-that includes notables beyond the handful that are here. I was thinking those who had been published either repeatedly in features or interviews in magazines, or in books about tattooing. I can think of a few "big names" that aren't in here, and ought to be
6. I added a small slang paragraph citing appropriate source material(I think)
7.Judaism fully belongs in this topic, at least to explain that traditional beliefs conflict with body modification, and that this group was one of the few histoirically proven to undergo involuntary tattooing in recent history.
8.maybe of a listing of technical approaches/styles? There are a handful of different logical and aesthetic approaches or "schools" in tattoo these days, it's part of why it'sgrowing so quickly and getting more artistic...These approaches are technically and artistically extremely distinct from each other, and sub articles will serve the need to show the variety available within this art medium a bit better than clogging up the main text with too many photos
9.It is an art medium. Explain surrealist painting without images. I dare you to make it interesting. The fact that we see someone else's body changed visually is what makes this medium fascinating to many people.
10. I added a photograph of a professional who wears a highly visible tattoo. I have some sources to cite if necesary to make the point about visible tattoos causing discrimination a bit more balanced. let me know if they are needed.
Thanks for being patient with me...I'm going to look through my dermatology texts and see if I can't find source for the explanation to fading also. I know that it is because over time cells in the underlayer of the epidermis shift and die off, taking some pigment with them...I'll have to find reference for that though. 
I'll come armed with better reference tomorrow, hope you guys can make my additions work into the article somehow. It is really incredibly well-written already, I just hoped having a tattoo artist add might help.
anjiResonanteye 05:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  newbie 

message: Can we add a section on the science behind why tattoos are permanent?  Why doesn't the body dissolve the tattoo?  Is it a property of the ink, a property of the method, or both? Lux 17:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mechanism section added. 86.139.253.235 12:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Science behind a tattoo. 

message: seems like there's a user with the name Venicebeachtattoos adding links to all tattoo related articles that go to http://www.venicebeachtattoos.com. I'm going to be going on a bit of cleanup of this --Threatis 12:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you!  If you're on IRC, you may want to participate on the #wikipedia-spam to help us combat this ongoing menace! Bastiq▼e demandez 14:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be that as it may, I dont see it as quite the resource as something like Bmezine or Tattooed Nation. It's pretty much put there for blatant self promotion, and as such should be removed. --Threatis 12:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed, there's no reason that any site that advertises should be on this article. Bastiq▼e demandez 13:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: If you want to create an encompassing article entitled List of tattoo conventions, I would not be at all opposed, and a site that lists tattoo conventions (without prejudice for advertisers), could theoretically be included on such a page.  But that would be the more appropriate place for a link such as this.  Bastiq▼e demandez 14:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I should apologize if we seem rigid... as you can imagine this page has a history of being a particular target for spammy, marginally related links.  Bastiq▼e demandez 14:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  blatant self promotion time! 

message: "A newer method of removal is by tattooing glycolic acid into the skin with a tattoo machine: the acid pushes the ink to the surface of the skin in the scab, which is later removed. This method purportedly scars less than laser techniques. Glycolic acid is also used for facial peels; when used for tattoo removal, a lower percentage mix is used."
I did a little research and what I came up with unanimously agreedthat this method is no longer used, as it scars and does not actually remove tattoo ink.
My dermatology text backs this up, since it states that tattooink lies in a section of the epidermis that is below the area where glycolic acid can function- the acid wokrs because it kills off the entire layer of dead cells, dehydrating them quickly so that they then shed all at once. The tattoo ink lies just under this "dead/shed" layer, which is why it is permanent.
If you tattoo this acid into someone it actually just makes enough scar tissue from a deep tissue chemical burn to make the tattoo look a little lighter through it-
Also, this is not a new technique. people have been attempting to remove tattoos by tattooing acids and caustic agents into the skin since the mid-70s.
The only reliable and verified removal agent is the laser treatments now available...
here's a link to someone that has some recent information about all this stuff
rethinkyourink.com or http://hyperspacestudios.com
I had a chat with one of the guys there, he's always got sound sources for his information. He's one of those famous guys that has been doing this for a long time, he's pretty reliable. Also reading that textbook helped too.
And on top of all this I have some sources to go in and cite on the page. 
70.193.200.180 07:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed paragraph 

message: I think we need more eyes on this one. It's a popular subject and the article is put together pretty well so far. I'm gonna put it up there, and hope for the best.
Resonanteye 23:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  peer review? 

message: I am somewhat confused by the description of the origins of the word.  It seems that the article is providing contradictory information under the "Terms" section:
Most often, but quite wrong, many people believe the original root word behind tattoo is the Samoan word tatau, meaning to mark or strike twice (the latter referring to traditional methods of applying the designs). Sailors traveling the Pacific who encountered Samoans, and who were fascinated by the Samoan tatau, mistakenly translated the word "tatau" into the modern tattoo.
The first sentence appears to indicate that the word 'tattoo' DID NOT originate from the Samoan word 'tatau'.  However, the second sentence alludes to the opposite.  This may have arisen from an incomplete modification to the original entry.  In any case, is it actually true that the word does not originate from the Samoan word?  Every other source I have come across seems to indicate that it has.  Can anyone clear this up?  Thanks.-128.97.136.151 21:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of 'Tattoo' 

message: Lately there has been a ever growing treatment that involves a cream which is tattooed back over the tattoo its self that brings the pigment back to the surface and affectivly removes the tattoo. Its takes from 2 to 5 treatments depending on how large an area the tattoo is covering - Added to section Health Risks by 81.110.251.199 (01:30, December 13, 2006)
This cream sounds as dubious as a "5-year-super-special-henna-tattoo".  Anyone care to cite references, or should it just be removed? --LuciferBlack 09:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds like magic pixie dust to me - I'm removing it.  Unless someone's going to cite that properly, it sounds extremely farfetched. Glowimperial 00:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tattoo removal cream? 

message: Lately there has been a ever growing treatment that involves a cream which is tattooed back over the tattoo its self that brings the pigment back to the surface and affectivly removes the tattoo. Its takes from 2 to 5 treatments depending on how large an area the tattoo is covering - Added to section Health Risks by 81.110.251.199 (01:30, December 13, 2006)
This cream sounds as dubious as a "5-year-super-special-henna-tattoo".  Anyone care to cite references, or should it just be removed? --LuciferBlack 09:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds like magic pixie dust to me - I'm removing it.  Unless someone's going to cite that properly, it sounds extremely farfetched. Glowimperial 00:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tattoo removal cream? 

message: I've been watching this page for a while now, and I'm seeing a lot of vandalism as of late. should we possibly get this page for a short period until the vandals get bored and move on? --Threatis 22:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I, for one, would be glad. Since I first started watching this article I've noticed continual vandalism, spam, advertising etc. and I'd like to see a damper put on it. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 13:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: even partially protecting it (from unregistered users) would help.
Resonanteye 03:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I semi-protected it.  Let's give it to February 1 2007. Johntex\talk 05:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Protection Time? 

message: I think this article should include legality in particular regions, such as age restrictions. 4.234.39.196 18:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legality issues. 

message: There has been a "FACT" tag associated with the statement that nobody has contracted AIDS via a tattoo for over a year.  I'm curious how the person who added it thought it was possible to prove or disprove.  Absent a citation proving that it had, indeed happened, shouldn't it be removed?  Peter Camper (talk) 01:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proving a negative? 

message: Most of the article is extremely USA centered. Like saying states before countries, talking about the FDA (it should be said that 'in the united states, the FDA...' or something like that) and so on. The majority of the readers is probably not american (just a guess). And even if that's not the case, english wikipedia does not mean US wikipedia. Ran4 (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extremely USA centered 

message: The article has this list: "...in the Philippines, Borneo, Mentawai Islands, Africa, North America, South America, Mesoamerica, Europe, Japan, Cambodia, and China. " Why don't we say 'the world'? Are there any notable exceptions to this list? I notice Australia is missing in a count of the continents, but every other one is represented. Can we skip the exhaustive list and say 'nearly all geographic areas' or something to that effect? Phasmatisnox 17:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tattoos are popular in Africa? Do they use light-colored opaque ink so it'll show up on their dark skin? I wasn't aware you could make a light colored ink show through pigmented skin, the skin being fairly opaque when pigmented already by melanin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 18:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Many African-Americans are tattooed; not being a tattoo artist I can't speak to the inks involved but there's no question that black and colored inks show up on dark skin.  I don't know if tattoos are traditional in Africa or not. 99.153.133.34 (talk) 22:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense list 

message: Added some alternative removal methods, but needs expansion and some more refrences besides http://people.howstuffworks.com/tattoo-removal3.htm.  (IRMacGuyver 08:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal 

message: Should the Mythbusters be treated as a good source to discount the possible MRI interactions? I think if you really looked you could find at least a dozen ways to refute the validity of almost any experiment those guys come up with.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.114.168 (talk) 21:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mythbusters Reference 

message: After reading one of the cited studies, I reworded part of this section to reflect the nature and findings of the study.  I removed one of the sources, which was listed as an "Unpublished master's thesis", as wikipedia guidelines state that only published works should be cited. Brienf (talk) 17:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Negative Associations" section 

message: According to various plastic surgeons, tattoos are divided into five types: amateur, professional, cosmetic, medicinal, and traumatic. In the article, Traumatic ("Natural tattoo") is located in the Procedure chapter, while Cosmetic and Medical further up, in the Purposes chapter. How about moving all types in one chapter? ktr (talk) 17:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tattoo taxonomy 

message: Dear editors, tribal tattoos are very intresting and popular subject for people searches. I suggests to open a category in the tattoos page for tribal tattoos
See: http://tattooblogger.blogspot.com/2008/07/interesting-things-about-tribal-tattoos
to get some ideas.
Cheers!
Tattooblogger (talk) 11:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Aside from agreeing with Sheepeh below, the blog post in question doesn't seem to exist anymore. -- Jelly Soup (talk) 02:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  tribal tattoos 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "kilmer" :
** Tattoo lasers / Histology, Suzanne Kilmer, eMedicine
** blank
DumZiBoT (talk) 06:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: This image was added but it got removed. Is this really too tangential for the article? Let's talk about it.--Parisbag (talk) 02:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidden tattoos 

message: Are not tattos! Read the article. They are gouges in the skin made with albatross bones. This article says Tattoos are made by injections. Need to decide. Victuallers (talk) 17:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moko 

message: Under the "Accidental Tattoos" section, I think that something should be mentioned about victims of the 1945 Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. There are reported cases of women who, having been wearing floral dresses at the time of the impact, had the dark patterns burned into their flesh. I am not entirely sure whether these intense flash burns count as a literal "tatoo," but, certainly, they left permenent, unwanted marks on the skin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.221.179 (talk) 04:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atomic Bomb Victims 

message: We have recently seen the addition of lots of external links, moving the article thoroughly into WP:LINKFARM territory.  The below articles seem like perfectly good ones as background sources, but if we wish to cite them, we should use them as support of specific points in the article, i.e. as regular footnotes.  If you see some fact supported in these that is not in the article, or that is not adequately cited, please feel free to use these resources as notes.LotLE×talk 20:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: If your wanting to find a local tattoo shop, you can visit htttp://ww.findatattooartist.com , there are thousands of shops listed and they seem to be well organized  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.222.54.26 (talk) 04:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tattoo Shop Resource 

message: Why do they tell you not to eat spicy foods, not drink alcohol? The whole aftercare tattoo speech.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.218.249 (talk) 17:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aftercare 

message: I am very disappointed that Lulu of the Lotus Eaters entirely reverted the paragraph I added on this.  The tradition of tattoo within historical freakshows and fairgrounds is an important part of the cultural tradition of the art. I think there is a place for such historical facts in this article.  
I am also very surprised that there is no place for the world's most tattooed man, supported by a relevant citaton and photo, in an article about tattoo.
I would welcome the views of other Wikipedia editors on this.
Peteinterpol (talk) 06:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you take a look at my edit, you will see that your characterization is untrue.  I kept some of the material you added, keeping what I agree is a notable mention of tattoos in freak shows and performance art.  The digression into specific names who are not broadly notable in this context was trimmed.  Also, I really don't think the "guiness world record" image is a good way to characterize tattoos broadly, it just becomes a slightly sensationalistic "trivia/quirky" image. LotLE×talk 08:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freak show tradition and world's most tattooed man 

message: I'm trying to start a wikiproject for body modification, if anyone is interested in joining go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Body_Modification ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 01:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Body Modification 

message: The Japanese word irezumi means "insertion of ink" and can mean tattoos using tebori, the traditional Japanese hand method, a Western style machine, or for that matter, any method of tattooing using insertion of ink.
It sounds hokey, it is not sourced, and the last part makes the previous 2 parts redundant.68.9.130.10 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 21:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I would edit this out but the page is locked. 

message: The article was written on New skool style of tattoing. I am unfimiliar with the subject to a degree but believe it to be more appropriate to be merged here. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide a link?  I can't find it.  Exploding Boy (talk) 16:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

text: The link should work now.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm considering starting a whole new category pertaining to "tattoo art styles", which would include New skool. I'm surprised there is nothing here yet addressing the different styles. Lot's of rich information there. Godogo1 (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

text: There are already quite a few independent articles on different tattoo styles. How would one go about merging them ALL into a tattoo style sub-heading. For example; Borneo traditional tattooing, Black-and-gray, Irezumi, Marquesan tattoo, Criminal tattoo, Biomechanical Tattoo Art, there are probably others.Godogo1 (talk) 17:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are multiple articles existing of Tattoo styles, you may want to keep that article then and make a Category of Tattoo styles with a listing of the different styles and links to each article.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Makes sense. Godogo1 (talk) 17:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I say don't merge, just expand the article, it's really short..ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 04:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Article on Tattoo methods. 

message: This section is pretty specific with factual details, but just about every sentence has been flagged with a {fact} tag for almost a year.  I have no real idea if any of the purported facts are true, but it's been long enough that I'm getting tempted to rip out all the uncited descriptions if they don't get some support.  It's better to omit the section (or most of it) than to advance false facts.  Does anyone have expertise here who can provide citations about the various chemicals used? LotLE×talk 03:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  dyes and pigments 

message: can u help me with some information on becoming a tattooist please  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.208.100.158 (talk) 11:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  i want to be a tatooist 

message: I have just got through a major allergic reaction (anaphalactic shock) hair dye being the cause. After testing this is what im allergic to;
p-phenylenediamine (ppd)
p-toluenediamine
1,4-benzenediamine
1,4-phenylenediamine
2,4-diaminoanisole
p-aminoaniline
o-aminophenol
and Hydroquinone
everytime i come in2 contact with these my reaction will get worse (near fatal before!)
would a tattoo have any of theses substances in?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.47.17 (talk) 13:42, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the article Tattoo medical issues and Tattoo ink contain some background information, this is absolutely not the place to seek medical advice! If you have a medical questions--especially one specific and about yourself, rather than general background curiosity--consult your own physician (and perhaps coordinate with your tattooist).  Nothing we write here can ever be medical advice, and please do not mistake it for such. LotLE×talk 16:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  allergies 

message: Add External links for tatoo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Admirer-wiki (talk • contribs) 17:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links for tatoo 

message: "Tattoos are sometimes used by forensic pathologists to help them identify burned, putrefied, or mutilated bodies. Tattoo pigment is buried deep enough in the skin that even severe burns are not likely to destroy a tattoo.[citation needed] "
This statement seems to be somewhat questionable. If we consider severe burns to be third degree burns, then there is no way the tattoo can survive such a burn. By definition a third degree burn is one that has destroyed the entire surface of the skin and where muscle and bone has possibly been damaged by burns too. Shardakar (talk) 02:46, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indentification 

message: How long do you have to wait to donate blood after getting a tattoo? 
Include this under health.
Descobedo99 (talk) 00:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  donating blood after a tattoo? 

message: shouldnt there  be a section regarding superstitions about tattoos?--Hicups0002 (talk) 14:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No.--69.121.51.151 (talk) 00:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  superstitions or mythology section? 

message: Thanks.Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please help ID this: 

message: The Tahitian word for the act of tattooing is tātātau, and is an onomatopoeia. The Tahitian word for the mark left on the body can be called tātātau, but is more often referred to as nono'a.--Hr4079 (talk) 08:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: The phrase: "Tattooing was also used by the Nazi regime in concentration camps to tag prisoners." is used in the negative associations section. However, this example is also used in the "Identification" section, and I suggest it be removedGafpa (talk) 04:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Negative associations" 

message: I have finally got around to uploading some more pictures of the same traditional Samoan tattoo.
Full back
Detail of front
Front shot with genitals obscured
--CloudSurfer (talk) 18:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Samoan tattoo pictures 

message: There needs to be a disambiguation or a "see also" link to take users to Military tattoo included in this article. --Saukkomies talk  12:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation link needed 

message: StupidUnoriginalName (talk) 00:51, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Both could be true; some people do wear them to show the death of a friend, often through gang related violence, and some do wear them to show how many they have murdered. (One CAN murder friends too) There may be other reasons that they are worn too. I find it unlikely that every person on the planet with face tears has them for the same reason. I used to know someone whos nickname, "Greety", came from his tattoos. ("To greet", means "to cry" in Scottish English...although "to cry" can mean "to name"..lol)86.14.187.220 (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: I am working with the Global Lives Project. There is a video of a man in Brazil getting tattooed in a tattoo shop I would like to add to the page. You can view the video here. I intend to shorten the duration of the video. Any thoughts? Dchein (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Video of Tattooing in Brazil 

message: The Genital tattoo line is not mentioned in the opening paragraph as one of the "five types of tattoos" under "Types of Tattoos" nor is it appropriate with the disambiguation of the "types of tattoos" listed.  It is merely a location of a tattoo, not a type of tattoo.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.220.15.42 (talk) 03:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Genital Tattoo" is out of place 

message: Could the article please be expanded to explain the reason behind the resurgence of tattoos in Western culture from the late 1990s, as I can't see that Janis Joplin's tattoos by Lyle Tuttle in the late 1960s could have been that influential in the late 1990s, and that the Pew Research Center concluded that Generation X of Generation Y are 'are not afraid to express themselves through their appearance' is not particularly insighful or specific, as Generation X and Generation Y could cover people born from the early 1960s through to the early 2000s, which would include a large proportion of the world's entire population. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resurgence of tattoos in Western cultures from the late 1990s 

message: Hi everyone! Is there a reason why there are no external links on the tattoo page? --Jonhope123 (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: It was proposed in 2009 that content at New skool be merged here. What's your pleasure.??  Dlohcierekim  21:50, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal from  [[New skool]] 

message: There is reference to henna is a sidebar illustration. But is this not washable? --Therefore, not a real tatoo? And the article mentions tatoos as forbidden in Islam, but the woman in the picture is wearing hijab --or is she a Shiite?Dogru144 (talk) 17:08, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henna confusion 

message: Interesting article, lots of content, however as a non-aligned editor with no vested interest or previous contributions to this article, I want to share my observation that your image-factor is super-cluttered. I would strongly suggest paring-down the number of images, standardizing their sizing and dumping the excess pics into an expanded gallery. I thought I'd bring this up here before just attacking the page and going hell for leather cleaning up the pics. Azx2 19:22, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As part of a large structural edit to deal with some clutter across multiple related articles, I cut down image density and tried to choose images relevant to the nearby text. I would ask for assistance from everyone in keeping the photos relevant and focused on the encyclopedic content. - BanyanTree 05:26, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  image layout 

message: There seems to be some confusion about it. There are currently cites claiming to support that Britain is named after "design" (which would be news to Britain (name) and wikt:Britain) and that being tattooed was a royal privilege in modern Europe (which is somewhere in between overstating the case and complete fabrication). Could someone with access to these (unlinked) sources clean up what the authors were actually claiming or remove them per WP:UNDUE? — LlywelynII 07:28, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources 

message: The line "Native Americans also used tattoos to represent their tribe." in the following excerpt should be moved sooner or later in the article (unless the native american practice is somehow associated with criminality.  
:The Romans tattooed criminals and slaves, and in the 19th century released US convicts and British army deserters were identified by tattoos. Prisoners in Siberian and Nazi concentration camps were tattooed with an identification number. Today, many prison inmates still tattoo themselves as an indication of time spent in prison.[3]
:
:Native Americans also used tattoos to represent their tribe.
:
:Insofar as this cultural or subcultural use of tattoos predates the widespread popularity of tattoos in the general population, tattoos are still associated with criminality. Tattoos on the face in the shape of teardrops are usually associated with how many people a person has murdered. Although the general acceptance of tattoos is on the rise in Western society, they still carry a heavy stigma among certain social groups. Tattoos are generally considered an important part of the culture of the Russian mafia.
I don't see a good place or I would have just done it.   Cheers, Randy Sage, 67.174.221.32 (talk) 15:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misordered text 

message: Why is tattoo called tatau in Far Cry 3?--78.156.109.166 (talk) 19:06, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tatau? 

message: Where's the section describing the intensely socially stigmatizing effects of tattoos? Or of their historical association with criminality and mental instability, being a widely recognized form of self-mutilation, strongly indicative of mental illness in the wearer?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.181.226.11 (talk) 21:08, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Stigma & Form of Self-Mutilation 

message: Here is why I think temporary tattoo should be merged with this article:
* Temporary tattoos are, to my knowledge, intended as alternatives to real tattoos, but not necessarily body painting.
* This article suffers from multiple issues. To be specific, it fails WP:TONE and WP:NOTHOWTO.
* Decals and henna are mentioned here as well as in the temporary tattoo article, so these two pages are already connected to each other in some way or the other.
Let me know your thoughts on this issue. Thanks! - Fangusu (talk) 23:33, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Either from the outer corner or middle going down from the eye, like a scar or sometimes more than one, like a claw pattern. I've seen several styles & patterns. Jakotsu from InuYasha as an example.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.192.14.161 (talk) 09:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are the lines under the eyes called, and what do they mean? 

message: Of health risks associated with new dyes as well as the cleavage results of the dyes in laser tattoo removal doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(15)60215-X JFW | T@lk 12:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review 

message: I wanted to call attention to the changes made in this edit regarding tattooing and passages found in The Bible.  I think if there is information we can include on Biblical analysis of tattoos, we should include it, but I'm concerned about 1) the tone of the edit and 2) the sources used.  On the first point,  does not strike me as an appropriate way to describe this.  There's no real need to describe the text in Leviticus as a "holy commandment," when it is much clearer to say that, "In Leviticus 19:28, tattooing is explicitly condemned."  There's also an issue with framing the popularity of these tattoos in the context of people ignoring this text in Leviticus unless we have sources that discuss it in that manner, otherwise it feels more like original research to say there is some association here.  ON the second point, it's great to provide a source to the actual passage, but the source from the United Church of God is not reliable for this kind of claim, as it is an organized Christian entity.  Is there a book or some other source that talks about tattooing in relation to Leviticus? I, JethroBT drop me a line 17:40, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes inre: tattoos and Bible 

message: Is there any copyright issue with tattoo's? An original peace of art would be copyright protected, I think, but is that the case here? If so, there should be something about that in this article. --Judithcomm (talk) 00:47, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I imagine any laws would be hard to enforce.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.143.86 (talk) 15:03, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright of tattoos? 

message: Why don't women realize that their own offspring will look at those tatoo's as a danger sign to themselves, a sign of potencial sado-masochistic tendencies where they themselves become target of those tendencies.
They designate blunted emotions, such as forced onto an individual through army training, and have the stigmata of being designated misagonistic, not belonging, with a severity of physical cerebral scartissue caused either by hitting your head at the wall, taking too much cocaine, or for that matter sniffing glue.
In Latin America, especially Venezuela, that has grown to a level where Ukrainian ex military and convicts have gone into merchandizing overdrive in both brothel, army, and other sections, where even a none 'slave' is designated as slave by a sado-masochist.
Tattoo's, have nothing to do with non conformism, it has to do with branding, with an overal enforcement to label another section forcefully, which in the case of Venezuela is the branding of certain male sections in conjunction with branding 'opposition' woman in that same form to force them to only pertain to branded males through forms of rejection by most anyone else. Clearly a Russian/Ukranian Sado Masochistic pattern with lots of irrespect for any female opposition counter to the 'Regime'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.73.126.124 (talk) 13:22, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disfigurement. 

message: Are forcible tattoos common or do they merit a separate entry?
The Armenian example, detailed here . MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 03:17, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo#Identification 

message: Details on the Kurdish tradition, with comments that mention Aleut, Amazigh, and other traditions. http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/2015/01/21/the-last-tattooed-women-of-kobane/
Here is a photo of a woman tattooed in the Ethiopian tradition: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tattoos/photo7.html MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 03:23, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural traditions 

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message: Hello fellow Wikipedians, 
I am working on the Tattoo artist article for the next couple of weeks for my Technical and Professional Editing class at Texas A&M University. I am planning on moving the "Studio" section in that article and creating an entirely new article dedicated to tattoo studios, as I feel that this section contains a lot of really great information but not information that is relevant to tattoo artists themselves. I think the collection of Wikipedia articles would really benefit from an article all about tattoo studios. I wanted to notify any users on this article's talk page as I feel this decision could also potentially impact this article. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Ands1234 (talk) 02:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creating a tattoo studio article 

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message: §  United States says: 
: Soon after the Civil War, tattoos became fashionable among upper-class young adults.
Of both sexes? I'd be surprised at it being acceptable on young women, but I'm not changing it because I don't know. --Thnidu (talk) 18:16, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "young people" of both sexes? 

message: I have three small tattoos 50 cm "up" in my colon.  These were put there during my first colonoscopy to mark where polyps had been removed, both to make it easier to locate them during a follow-up six months later, and to prevent misidentification later on.  Is this something that would fit in the Medical Section, and if so, what citations would be needed, as presently this is only a personal anecdote.  JDZeff (talk) 19:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds plausible, . I had polyps removed from my colon about two years ago and a follow up colonoscopy two weeks ago. There are no visible tattoos on the MP4 movie. 2403:6200:8832:1FA2:C132:4837:5F5C:4A92 (talk) 09:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal tatooing 

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