Talk:Ramush Haradinaj

message: Is this the URL that can be used to source the fact?
If so, how much can it source ? The whole paragraph or just the second sentence (the one mentioning the massacre itself) ? - Best regards, Evv 00:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, second part of that sentence was stating that the report about Serbian support for Haradinaj come from the BBC, not related to the other change I made regarding the 5th march attack on Jasharis Davu.leon 18:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: lol My fault, I misunderstood it :-) Best regards, Evv 01:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  March 5 massacre 

message: Who can be sure about why he went back to Kosovo, if not for sake of the wars and crimes he took part in, later? The way this text was was, it sounded much too subjective, as if he was a martyr that couldn't but illegally visit his family etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.117.192.154 (talk) 16:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the next sentence as much as says that he was also using the trips to scout out gun-running routes, and I'm pretty sure he did visit his family if he went back to the country where they lived, but whatever.  It's not essential to the article. Davu.leon 18:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "to visit his family" - deleted 

message: WHy in God's green earth was his name written also in "Serbo-Croatian"? He is Kosovar, an ethnic Albanian. That a pure insult and has NOTHING to do with this article or his name. I deleted it. I refuse to allow such a POV agenda.  Kosova2008 (talk) 03:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He was born in Yugoslavia, Serbia, where he had spent most of his life. That has nothing to do with insulting, but is standard practice in the Wikipedia. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Had he been born in Greece, it would be also written in Greek. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  He was born in KOSOVA!!! His name should be in Albanian...the end. I don't see Seslje or Tadic name in Albanian. This is BS. What good is it to have his name in Serbian Croatian. Kosova2008 (talk) 07:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is it too obvious that, if the name exists in that language, it's relevant and, by having it in that language, more people can read it and comprehend it?  What is the bug up your ass?  Seems you have some bigotry here.  Geofferic T•C✡ 05:42, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Article 5 [Languages] 1. The official languages in the Republic of Kosovo are Albanian and Serbian.
This is the text of the proposed constitution of Kosovo. See proposed constitution. It is discriminatory to prefer one national languages above another in an article about a national Kosovaran politician in an English wikipedia. This apart from the fact that the sovereignty of Kosovo is disputed. Otto (talk) 09:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The name

message: Dont no how to add this to the ref list, maybe someone else could do it: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/hotline/2008/04/icty-issues-extraordinary-judgment-with.php --Schwarzschachtel (talk) 01:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Regards, Ev (talk) 21:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference list

message: According to this article  Ramush Haradiaj received a not-guilty verdict early January 2011. I have never visited this website so I do not know the accuracy of it and it is a bit difficult to access the Hague tribunals website. Can some one check this out??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonizzcertified (talk • contribs) 19:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true, Haradinaj is in his homeland Kosova now. He is a free man. --91.6.91.168 (talk) 13:28, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ramush Haradinaj not-guilty verdict? (for second trial) 

message: Ben Emmerson says: "Even though I am a pacifist by nature I understand that legitimate violence can sometimes be unavoidable. But that recognition inevitably forces you into debating what are the limits of acceptable violence. I have often found that soldiers and commanders, with experience of the theatre of war, have greater respect for human life than the politicians who send them into battle," Ben Emmerson QC is in a philosophical mood as he discusses Ramush Haradinaj, the former leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army, whose case he has championed through the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. Acquitted in the first trial Haradinaj, is awaiting a judgement on a partial Appeals Chamber retrial and Emmerson is confident he will be cleared again: "This guy fought an honourable war." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/ben-emmerson-qc-the-bte-noire-of-the-right-wing-press-with-a-leviathan-intellect-8061507.html --91.6.83.7 (talk) 11:07, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben Emmerson is the human rights lawyer at ICTY 

message: Why is is his religion relevant(in the infobox)? Isn't his ethnicity far more relevant?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.3.79 (talk) 02:49, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: We have a problem with a particular user. He writes the sentences as he wants, ignoring the audited texts, does everything what he wants, ignored warnings and Wikipedia rules and sources. He assess the sources after its own criteria. He change facts, distorted the facts and does not write in the encyclopedia sense...also strong strong POV and vandalism.--Nado158 (talk) 21:34, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh man, first, i didt claim that, this say a lot of  sources and this witnesses are dead, 14 of them, and several of them were protected witness. Yes, no one knows, but they are all considered potential witnesses and your personal opinion can not change this.--Nado158 (talk) 01:48, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Who considers them potential witnesses???  Not the ICTY.  Not the ICTY Prosecutorhttp://daily.tportal.hr/228890/ICTY-prosecution-denies-claims-of-murder-of-witnesses-in-Haradinaj-case.html  or the ICTY trial Chamber.  So if the ICTY does not consider them ICTY protected witnesses what are we talking about? Remember this section is Ramush Haradinaj First Trial at the ICTY.Epeos (talk) 06:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: No witnesses were murdered.  Those are not my words, they are part of the public record from the ICTY Trial Chamber and the chief Prosecutor at the court.  here:  I will list the references for you again.  Trial Chamber:    The Office of the Chief Prosecutor at the ICTY:  http://daily.tportal.hr/228890/ICTY-prosecution-denies-claims-of-murder-of-witnesses-in-Haradinaj-case.html  The ICTY Press Officer : ..  These are people involved in the trial.  The Serbian War Crimes Prosecutor is not involved with the ICTY.  His opinion or his thoughts are not relevant.  Or rather they are relevant to show bias but he was not part of the International War Crimes Tribunal process.  Their offices are not related and he had nothing whatsoever to do with this case. Does that make sense?  The most relevant source is the public record of the trial.  I mean just step back for a minute.  How can the proposition that witnesses were murdered during an ICTY trial be sustained if the ICTY formally states that no witnesses were murdered during the ICTY trial??? What's more if you read the cites I've provided you will see that the ICTY Prosecutor and the ICTY Press Office claims that no witnesses were murdered to directly refute newspaper articles similar to the ones you are citing.24.47.100.255 (talk) 06:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Those are also not my words, they are part of the public record from therelevant newspapers and the chief Prosecutor  Carla del Ponte ect. You listest vain,then he links left are not open and therefore not verifiable. I told you not copy from Wikipedia gsagt the ICTY. Why is the opinion of the Serbian and other mediaa is not relevant? Because there are Serbs? Because the articles are not pro Haradinaj? Alle müssen dneken wie du es ihnen versuchst zu verkaufen oder das ICTY? Are you serious? That's your own opinion, but they are relevant, as are the in England, Germany and other sources which Wikipedia sees fit. We have to include also other opinions which  based on facts.To deny the murder of all them which are in relation with the trial are totaly wrong.--Nado158 (talk) 11:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: You do not understand the meaning of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is independent of all, however, it reported in the encyclopedia purposes. All these things that you say are biased and not neutral. You distort the trial, and try to make everything perfectly about Haradinaj and the trial,  what surely was not. Newspaper reports (not all) are here legitimate sources that are in turn based on legitimate sources. Here, nothing is slandered, here are described the things from different aspects who occured.--Nado158 (talk) 01:48, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: But not this newspapers ect, and also this are not sources from a forum or anything else. We are not here to find out the truth, to make the work fpr ITCY or to be a copy of ITCY,  but we are here to report  right and relevant topics, all in encyclopedic sense. It is not only the opinions of the ICTY to be included, this is a violation of the democratic freedom and  Wikipedia supports this in encyclopedic sense. And just go to the opinion of one organ that is simultaneously criticized by a lot of other relevant institutions, or doubted is wrong or regulate according to Wikipedia rules. Many important people such as Carla del Ponte, ect. have commented about this,  but you delete and ignore it, because you want represent everything clean as you want it. It was not. And we must mentioned that. If is was realy so is not our job, aber we must mentioned that after the report of relevant sources.--Nado158 (talk) 11:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Notable facts are also witnesses that would  have contributed to the process, were murdered. Not for nothing that these people were mentioned. Before you tell me something about allegations,  you should first think about what you've done. You come here as a NEW user and change everything, destroying the years of work of the users here, make a salad from the facts that you can recognize nothing more, you removed relevant sources,  but yourself can not place sources, do it all according to your will and make me allegations just because I'm trying to prevent your pro Haradinaj POV and aggressiv editing?? If you want to change something then do this gradually, step by step, and with Wikipedia rules and not by destroying everything and messed bring. Which witnesses live and which are not? tell me? we will  clarify this or finde a solution. And these witnesses have business here because they wanted testify.--Nado158 (talk) 11:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: You're repeating yourself. Again, Wikipedia is not ICTY.--Nado158 (talk) 11:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Omg, thera are many important sources which  are accepted in Wikipedia. You should read the Wikipedia rules bevore you come here and destroy all and you think you can do what you want whit your own rules. You said just because he was not convicted, it means not  it could have been or was involved in this. The repotd, newspaper and secret servics reported this, so the claimed this and we write this here. You pick out your sources for your own POV,(and you have no sources to 90%), renoved other sources, etc. You try to beautify the things here to play down and you say it wills make neutral. Come on please...and at last, i do not said this, the sources said this.--Nado158 (talk) 01:48, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He was brought into connection with this in work with a lot of relevant and variety sources. He is not the only politician who has such sections on wikipedia, though they were not charged.   There are relevant sources, only why you not personally look so, this not mean that it is so. If this is determined by the BND, CIA and written by many major newspapers that they have informatione about Arkan, or German politician, than they are rigthsources and mentioned right??? and not at Haradinaj? If you have information about crimes agains Albanians on the same way, than we should be mentioned, and when the victims are Serbs should not be mentioned?or are against the Albanians theorie of 120% unguilty in all things??? come on please. --Nado158 (talk) 11:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Try to stay away from accusing other editors of "committing libel". Keeping your discussion civil means sticking to the content, not to each other. Also, a reminder to use the four tildes after your comments so it's easy to see who wrote what on a talk page. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 04:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This type of the removing of information only serves to push the image of Ramush Haradinaj or to cover up the things. Here is not appropiate for wikipedia and the same newspaper and sources on other articles or in other relations are good and appropiate??? From where come the infromations??? My be we sholud exactly write here what Haradinaj whish in the section CONTROVERSIES, than its good infromation?come on please--Nado158 (talk) 11:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I think the best way for the two of you to move forward would be a structured conversation. Both of you have seemed open to the idea of mediation, and I'd be happy to help out. 
To begin, let's have each of you write up a brief statement (250 words or less) on what the dispute is and what you desire as the outcome. -- Lord Roem ~ (talk) 17:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute 

message: Dear Lord Roem
My desire and intention is that the written Artikle is neutral, and it includes a healthy overview of the entire situation. He should be represented by verifiable and reliable sources of information.
The article should contain, what published and were evaluated by an independent source, not only from one side or the ICTY. These include doubts about the course of the process and its difficulties, and that with the murdered and intimidated witnesses
or were considered as witness, or should be a witness, but no longer could (because murdered) or want not to do this anymore.  Among the controversies: first, there are reliable and published sources (reputable publications ect.) And have a unique relevance to the article / biography, therefore, this issue is actually inevitable. The allegations or incidents are significant, based on reliable sources and is documented in respected publications, and thus belongs to the article. I think if you do not all of these things mentioned in the encyclopedic sense, this lead  to a strong distortion of the entire process flow, as well as the background and the consequences, and thus the entire biography, which in turn is not a neutral and good Wikipedia-article would result.
Yours sincerely!--Nado158 (talk) 19:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement by Nado158

message: I've deleted content from this section because I believe it violates wikipedia's biography of living persons rule.  The content came from a single "secret" source.  Two journalist used this source to make sensational claims about criminal behoviour.  The original source is anonymous, supplies no basis for its conclusions and reports serious crimes which have never been verified. Haradinaj has never been accused of those crimes.  Blanket statements about Haradinaj engaged in drug-running and other criminal behaviour or being being a mafia god-father that come from "secret" sources which cannot be verified or challenged seems to violate the Biography of Living Persons rule.  Exceptional claims require exceptional sources.  This doesn't cut it. It is essentially just bad gossip originating from anonymous sources that is being repeated.Epeos (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 01:19, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Organized Crime and Controversies

message: Perhaps there has been some confusion. The name of the Republic of Kosovo is "The Republic of Kosovo". Not the "disputed republic" or the "partially-recognised republic" or whatever; that's not it's name. If you want to add caveats and qualifiers, just follow the link - the Republic of Kosovo article is already full of them. bobrayner (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The legal status of the independence is disputed and not recognised by all countries including (former) host. Janjušević (talk) 22:53, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is described amply, already, in this article and in other articles. It's not clear what you mean by "host", but the last thing we need is more qualifiers, more weasel wording, and more caveats. bobrayner (talk) 23:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Host=Serbia. The only place I see weasel wording is the fantasy regarding the NUTS business on Serbia's statistical regions. Janjušević (talk) 23:25, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps there has been more confusion. This article is about Ramush Haradinaj. You know where the NUTS article is; you have just reinserted a hoax there. bobrayner (talk) 00:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Kosovo is a disputed region, Romania isn't, end. If you believe an article is a hoax, nominate its deletion and don't make bold redirects. Janjušević (talk) 01:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel wording 

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