Talk:Gil Grissom

message: I have heard rumors, and up until the Sara Sidle romantic shocker at the end of this season, that Grissom may be gay.  This is backed by his habit of not dating, or talking about his private life, and his initial rebuff of female characters (including Sidle and Cathrine Willows).  It would also explain his apparent ease at the somewhat kinky world of Madime whatshername.  
Bytebear 19:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grissom Gay! 

message: When did he began shaving that ridiculous beard?
: I believe he had that beard at the start of Season 4 and kept it until the start of Season 7. He had that beard again after he returned from his sabbatical, but had it shaved soon after. - 上村七美 | talk 04:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beard 

message: The article states that he is a Ph.D.  I have not seen every episode, but wonder about the source for this.  The CBS biography only states that he went to college.
72.73.85.77 20:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grissom's education 

message: Grissom is not leaving , He's on sabbatical.
I saw the previews for the new CSI episode, and it looks like Grissom's leaving. Do you know any more about this? I did mention it in the article though. Karrmann 01:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaving? 

message: This sentence
     He possesses a Moriarty-like nemesis, Paul Millander, over whom ultimately defeats him in death ...
doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what the writer is trying to convey. Anyone have any suggestions? --75.42.220.217 13:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the user means to imply that, like Holmes, Grissom was responsible for his nemesis' death.  The comparison is inaccurate, though; Milander committed suicide, while Holmes was directly responsible for Moriarty's death at Reichenbach Falls.  I'm going to modify. Konczewski 13:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsensical sentence 

message: In the trivia section it mentions that Grissom has a dog... in what episode/season is this mentioned? I've never come across bit of trivia before and to be honest I'm slightly suspicious of it's validity.
Crydwyn 213.78.53.8 02:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Muahahaha! Die trivia die! Sorry, sorry... Editus Reloaded 19:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The dog appears in the seventh season episode "Leapin' Lizards." Bruno, the dog that appears in the episode, is  apparently the actor William Petersen's dog. I doubt it's significant enough to mention in this article, though. --Bookworm857158367 12:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruno the Dog 

message: I deleted this section - basically, it was just a really short recap of the events of a few episodes.  Now that we're seven seasons into the show, I didn't see the significance of these particular episodes (or this particular serial killer) over other episodes, killers, and events.  In fact, I'd say that this information is so trivial as to not be necessary in a character bio at all (it certainly belongs in the episode articles, and the informatin is already there).  Also, this section could become dangerously similar to a trivia section, which has already (and rightly so) been eliminated, with the information integrated into other sections of the article.Soojmagooj 04:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Other Significant Events" 

message: I've seen this theory in several places.  He's a loner, not very social, sometimes awkward, and has seemingly narrow interests.  Has anyone ever heard anyone from the show state that he's supposed to be autistic or Asperger's?  I personally think he's too good at subtle facial expressions, which is usually a problem for people with Asperger's.  Of course this is probably because William Petersen is good at facial expressions.
:My understanding of autism is that people with the condition have difficulty understanding a theory of states of mind or subjectivity. Grissom seems more like he's highly-introverted and focused. Autarch (talk) 11:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the episode Rashomama in season six was the first time i thought Grisom have Aspergers. Having Aspergers myself, i quickly recognised his flowing eyes jumping from detail to detail and focusing on the shiny necklace. I felt right at home. Grissom is Asocial - or at least not very sociable, even if he is grown up he is still socially awkward, a loner that focus so much on his work that he forgets everything else (like the staff review papers he forgot), he has intense special interests (bugs) and are a bit of a know it all in general. I generally dont like to point fingers and say "Woooah! Aspie", but this is the closest representation i have seen of a professional on the spectrum. At least from my perspective. Going OT here for a while but you should know that Aspergers and Autism is not a list of criterias that has to be matched it is different for everyone, it goes all the way from helpless to genius. Some of us live independent lives and have careers in Physics, Psychology - and Forensics.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.241.216.86 (talk) 16:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grissom autistic or Asperger's? 

message: I have quick-failed this GA because it has no references. The lead section is very short as well, and needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Wrad 21:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i've expanded the lead section and the references section. i'm renominating this article.Yamanbaiia 09:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA fail

message: I have quick-failed this GA because none of the previous issues have been addressed. The article is written as if Gil is a real person and as Wrad mentions, nothing about how he was cast. There are still too few inline citations and this needs to be corrected before any further GA nomination. Centy</font> – [reply]• contribs – 22:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gotta say, though, references are pouring in fast, this article is improving quickly. Wrad 22:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: tell me about it, i can't believe how much time i spent doing all the references. i'm determined to make this one a featured article. By the way, i had renominated the article before Wrad's revision, sorry about all the things that were missing. I am now using Jack Sparrow and Pauline Fowler as models for Gil Grissom. Yamanbaiia 16:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article isn't going to make FA if it can't even make GA. References aren't the primary issue here, it's how the article is written. Since he's a fictional character, we need to write the article as Wikipeida requires us to write articles based on fictional characters: for example, the first thing that we need to get rid of the status and birthdate. That is something that goes on a fansite, not on the Gil Grissom Wikipedia article. The article needs to be written from an "out of universe" perspective, which means not writing the article like a biography, but writing the article by explaining his development in the series as the creators'/ producers' developed him.--VorangorTheDemon 13:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Fail 

message: Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the picture showing Gil signing to "Tom Haviland," the character is cited as being played by Chad Michael Murray, whom looks NOTHING like the person in the picture. Unless a young guy was done up a LOT to look like an older person (which afaik hasn't been done in CSI), is this reference correct? Unless there's ANOTHER CMM and this one is simply linking to the wrong article...--TheSweet 07:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, Grissom is not with "Tom Haviland" but with "dr.Phillipe Gerard" (actor Raymond J. Barry). Though Murray does appear in The Accused is Entitled. Sorry for the confusion, no make-up artist is that good!!Yamanbaiia 17:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Haviland+Gil picture 

message: I feel bad for deleting the Sherlock part because probably a lot of people added to it, all the comparisons are based on facts,  but i cannot find any confirmation that the producers (although they probably did) meant Grissom to be a 20th century Holmes. 
I'll save it on my hardrive and if i ever find a source i'll add it again. 
(wish i could use uncyclopedia as a source: "Holmes called on some favours owed to him by Doctor Who and travelled to the 21st Century where he became an actor and played Gil Grissom in CSI.")Yamanbaiia 10:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want drop the section in here and if people can source it they can put it back. I wouldn't feel too bad - if you hadn't removed it I would have. It may all be based on existing facts but facts arranged into a new shape is still original research. (Emperor 12:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sherlock

message: Gil Grissom has a more than passing similarity to Sherlock Holmes. Like Holmes, Grissom is dispassionate with a fierce devotion to logic and little regard for societal norms of behavior; Grissom once smashed mustard jars in a grocery store to illustrate a theory ("I-15 Murders"), similarly, Holmes once practiced spearing a pig at a market to determine how strong a man would have to be to transfix a man with a harpoon.
Grissom possesses a Moriarty-like nemesis, Paul Millander, whom he pursues in several episodes ("Pilot;", "Anonymous;" and "Identity Crisis").  Coincidentally, "Paul Millander" has the same initials as "Professor Moriarty."   There's also a woman, Lady Heather, in whom he takes an unusual interest, their relationship is similar to that of Irene Adler and Holmes. Both Irene and Lady Heather enchant Holmes and Grissom with their beauty, their wit and their resolution.  Lady Heather is, almost always, wearing victorian dresses which are reminiscent to Holmes' era ("Slaves of Las Vegas", "Lady Heather's Box", "Pirates of the Third Reich" and "The Good, the Bad, and the Dominatrix").
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Yamanbaiia 12:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parallelism with [[Sherlock Holmes]] 

message: Does anyone know what that "cause of death" "allign left" junk that is at the top of the aritcle? I'm trying to get rid of it, but when you go into edit, it isn't there. --VorangorTheDemon 12:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I figured out the problem. One of the templates in the table was deleted, therefore it's screwing up the table itself. All the CSI article have this issue. Should we switch to another table? --VorangorTheDemon 12:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that last night but couldn't fix it, if you can do it, great!. the problem goes all the way back to the CSI's project character template (Wikipedia:WikiProject CSI franchise/Character template), this is very strange.Yamanbaiia 16:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good spot. The last edit broke the template (and doesn't seem necessary) so I reverted it. (Emperor 17:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing problems

message: Is such a large section even necessary? The relationship between Gil Grissom and Sara Sidle is amusing, but their relationship is not really important enough to Grissom's character (as pertaining to his primary role in the series) for an entire section, and I believe that the purpose of this large section is simply to be eye-candy for fans. Unfortunately, WP:ILIKEIT and WP:CRUFT don't agree with having a section that is so detailed, and taking up a good chunk of space, and it will without a doubt seriously inhibit the GA potential of this article. --VorangorTheDemon 18:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that it would seriously hurt it, but it would probably get it put on hold for awhile. Someone should probably summarize the relationships section into one or two simple paragraphs. Wrad 18:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but it's just it takes up way too much space on the article, and most of the info in it is both crufty and WP:OR. I'm just concerned about the intricate details and the size of the section, which to me states that it's there simply to make the article fun to read for fans and the seemingly endless void of Grissom/Sara"shippers". --VorangorTheDemon 18:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Wrad 18:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Damn it! i really, really like that part, and i hate WP:ILIKEIT! But it was cruft and OR, so there, i fixed it. Yamanbaiia 21:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better - the relationship has been the focus of newspaper reports so can be properly referenced. I suspect it would be possible to trim down some more. Unless we can reference the material about the earlier phases of relationship it could also be seen as speculation. (Emperor 21:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sara Sidle section: [[WP:FAN|Cruft]]? 

message: Dose anybody know why Gil is leaving the show --72.250.234.4 (talk) 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grissom leaving 

message: I don't have the chance to edit the article just now, but the actor's dog Bruno just showed up in "Grissom's Divine Comedy" with the in-show name of Hank.  Grissom asks the shrink about whether Hank acting depressed could be because he was taking on his owner's feelings.  I checked, and his first appearance is in the episode "Leapin' Lizards."  He looks like he's a typical boxer, although if anyone else knows more about his breed then please add your info. Critterkeeper (talk) 07:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hank 

message: she is just mention once as a side relationship think she deserves maybe a sentence or two  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.247.222 (talk) 01:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lady Heather 

message: If memory serves me, there was a scene in the episode "Alter Boys" where a Catholic priest deduces that Gil has a Catholic upbringing because he addressed the priest as "Father" rather than any other title. Can anyone confirm or remember the quote? I've found some quotes from the episode, but not the exact one that I want. It would be a useful reference for the article, giving more background to the character.Autarch (talk) 12:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I remember the quote. The scene has to do while Grissom is inspecting inside a car.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.200.120 (talk) 01:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious background 

message: I added a citation needed template to the part about Peterson confirming not coming back as regular since William_Petersen#Career states he confirmed the opposite (I also did the same to the latter article).Olivier Diotte (talk) 02:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will not return as a series regular 

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message: My best friend did 2001:56A:F128:1E00:30C1:D847:235C:4329 (talk) 09:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gil 

message: It is suggested in the article that "stop" is not he and lady heather's safe word-- this is canonically their safeword. See Immortality Part 1 33:05. I would edit it myself but I am unfamiliar with the process 2603:7000:A101:EF61:C9D4:DFA7:9416:2EC2 (talk) 05:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safeword