Talk:Carteret, New Jersey

message: Um, besides this section being a general mess, is it even facutal? Google only gives one result: this article. I'm not sure if I should just delete it or reformat it or what. Until someone more knowledgeable comes along, I'm adding . AldoNadi (talk) 22:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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message: Response to third opinion request (disagreement about the undue weight and inserting unneeded info in the references):
I'll try to give an impartial opinion here; I've not done this before, so if the results are not helpful please go ahead and ask for another.
As I understand it, two matters are a source of disagreement:
1. does the passage: "Carteret has a Sikh community, estimated to be from 1,000 to as many as 2,500 of the borough's residents, that has been described by The New York Times as "the largest concentration of Sikhs in the state". The area's Sikh community has made a connection between Carteret and "Kartarpur", based on the similarity of the borough's name to the site of the final resting place of Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikhism. The Gurudwara Singh Sabha Sahib, the borough's first gurudwara, had rented a location in Carteret in 1998 before moving to a permanent location in the nearby Port Reading section of Woodbridge Township in 2005." have undue weight in the Demographics section? and
2. has unnecessary information been inserted in the references?
My answer is yes to both. I'll try to explain why:
* The connection with Kartarpur and the location of the gurudwara are not relevant to the demographics of the borough. They are of course important to the Sikh community, but that is not the topic of the article. This just isn't the place for what User:Alansohn calls "a well-rounded description of the largest Sikh community in the state of New Jersey" 
* Many references in the article, both among those relating to the Sikh community and relating to some famous residents, have unnecessary quotations. References should not be used as a vehicle for extensive quotations, as these may violate copyright
If I may make some suggestions:
* update the census data as a first step
* rephrase the first sentence to avoid peacock phrasing, maybe something like "the Sikh community of Carteret, variously estimated at 1000 to 2500,[ref][ref] is the largest in the state[NYT ref]"
* if it can be linked to the number of Asian Indian residents, as Alansohn began to do in the Talk, then so much the better
* agree to eliminate the other two sentences
* consider whether the religious institutions of Carteret should be covered in a separate and balanced section, and whether any of the material removed from Demographics might have a place there
* agree to limit or eliminate lengthy quotations from the references; those who are interested can always consult the references themselves
* work on the style and referencing of other parts of the article, such as the history
I hope this helps.—Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion 

message: I have no objections to your suggestions and as a matter of fact I'm going to do just that. Also, should we add another section to address the influence of Asian minorities on Carteret? We can add the Kartarpur reference there?CapMan07008 (talk) 21:45, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Earlier today I added references to your contributions, still not sure if that is the proper way to address this issue, I think we need some expert's advice CapMan07008 (talk) 20:15, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think perhaps you need more input, yes. I've switched on the "attention" flag in the WikiProject Jersey banner, in the hope that someone might take an interest here and help you move the article forward. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, JLAN.  I think we have settled the debate over the notability of the south-asian community, but we can still use some more input about this article.   The Terminator   p   t  c 20:22, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: After 3rd Opinion  Should we add other sections

message: I see that Carteret history section has no refs. If no one has any objection I think I might rewrite it according to this.  I'm not sure if it's 100% but at least it's verifiable.   The Terminator   p   t  c 23:01, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objections to your taking on the task of rewriting the history section, which could use appropriate sourcing. I do take offense at your signature, which both creates confusion by differing from your user name and implies that your purpose on Wikipedia is destructive. Alansohn (talk) 02:49, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Carteret History

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