Talk:Jeffrey Lundgren

message: There are, at a minimum, terminology issues. We need to be clear on Latter Day Saint versus Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints versus Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (now Community of Christ, and abbreviated RLDS and not any other way); also Kirtland (not Kirkland). The group's move to Kirtland and discovery of an original meetinghouse is not clear at all to me -- are we referring to the Kirtland Temple, or some other edifice? And be it noted that Joseph Smith did not start preaching there, but in upstate New York (the church being organized in the Peter Whitmer home IIRC). Some of these things I know how to fix and simply cannot address right now; with others, I can't make out what the authors are trying to say, so I don't know where to begin. The best place to start, most likely, would be a good research library. I'll try and get back to this sometime (don't hold your breath). eritain 21:43, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 14 July 2005

message: This article badly needs citations for the majority of the material presented.  The article had no references at all until today, when I added five to AP's sentencing report of 8/2006.  I corrected the sentencing error noted above, and I changed "no more than 12" (unsourced) to "less than 20" for the sect's size -- Lundgren killed five people, and 13 were arrested, so that's well over 12.  
I also removed unsourced material (amid all the other unsourced material) about Lundgren turning down a 1981 priesthood offer from the RLDS because he felt the RLDS were too lenient towards women -- because the AP report stated he'd been discharged by the RLDS in 1987.  It is possible both are true, somehow, but what I left was the AP info, uncontradicted.  In time, the link to the AP report will go dead, at which point the reference will need to be altered to show it as a print resource rather than a webpage.  -- Lisasmall 21:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References needed

message: His execution has been pulled back a week, so he is not dead and probably wont die on the 24th. Who ever wrote the date of death and rewrote the article as if he was dead should have at the very least have waited anyway until he was actually dead !!
--84.153.48.209 17:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AP Confirms his executionDamianFinol 17:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not dead yet, date of death added prematurely 

message: In the childhood section it says he left the RLDS when he reached adulthood, later it says he became a lay minister of RLDS and left in 1987 (well into adulthood). If course he strictly did leave when he was an adult, saying he left when he "attained adulthood" implies that he left as a young adult. Brentt 19:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Conflicting info

message: I quote (under 'The Murders'): "The Averys' 15-year-old daughter, Trina, was shot twice in the head. The first shot missed, but the second killed her instantly."
Was she actually shot twice in the head or did a shot miss and the second shot killed her? Or were in fact, three shots fired with one missing, one injuring and one killing? Or did a shot miss, the next shot kill and the next shot hit a corpse? You get what I mean anyway.... I don't know how to edit this because I don't know the facts. Might want to clear that up a bit though. FeedTheGoat 11:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguous Lines 

message: While trying to add an updated image of Lundgren, I accidently deleted the image of him already in the article. I apologize. I'm still trying to figure out how to add the new picture.Jlujan69 23:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  major mess up 

message: The cult box needs to be indented to the right, I don't know how to do this.  Probably an easy fix.
John Reaves 20:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cult  Box 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

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message: the "timing" of this section is...screwy.  the paragraph starting with "On October 10, 1988,..." seems to, basically, start the story over.  it talks about lundgren discussing moving to Kirtland, when he's already there.
one thing that might make this even more confusing, is the last sentence/para. of the previous section, which says lundgren was dismissed as a "lay minister" by the RLDS in 1987. i THINK it was that in '87, he was relieved of the volunteer duties he had at the local temple of the RLDS in Kirtland.  later, in 1988, he was "dismissed" ("expelled"?) from the full/formal RLDS group/organization. (not sure of the proper wording of these things).
but he was already IN kirtland, or just outside of it, and he had "left" the local temple/church in 1987--not late 1988, as claimed in the 'Prophet' section. he was ALREADY leading his own religious group/sect/cult well before October 1988.
well, there are other issues with this article, anyway, so maybe no one really cares.  notably, the "ambiguous lines" about the murders, raised by FeedTheGoat has not been addressed (from 2006), as well as much of the info still here being unsourced. if it is mostly coming from the 2 books listed in the references, that should be made clear. (and why is one of the books listed twice in the references?)
removing ALL the info about what happened to the others who were charged certainly cleared up the issue of it being unsourced and incorrect (from brokerbob51, 2006), but it leaves gaping holes in the story. what happened to EVERYONE involved seems an important piece. unless there's a separate article on...the cult? i don't think there is, and if there is, it's not linked to from this article.
there are also a few punctuation issues, but WP, from what i've been able to gather over a few weeks of 'research,' has decided not to have actual standards for some basic punctuation needs, so i've stopped trying to correct articles to make them....at least look more intelligently composed, i guess.
one article i found (and read before coming here), is from the Chicago Tribune. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-01-07/news/9001020419_1_reorganized-church-church-of-jesus-christ-day-saints/2 . don't know if that might help in any way.
and the link to the Crime Library (external links) doesn't appear to be working any more.Colbey84 (talk) 02:17, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Prophet' section 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :Changes made by Elkrivermr
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:#https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeffrey_Lundgren&type=revision&diff=950432284&oldid=950411264 ( ultimately reverted by kleuske to pre EW)
:I see no reason why these 2 categories should be removed. He was the leader (size of his cult is irrelevant), and his cult was ultimately based on the teachings of Joseph Smith ElSnakeoBwb (talk) 15:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've collapsed the above under HAT tags, as it really makes a mess of the talk page. ElSnakeoBwb, it's considered bad form to insert comments inside another person's comments, so asking Elkrivermr to do so is a non-starter. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 17:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: 3.) Removing categories refering to LDS