Talk:Stolen Honor

message: Kizzle's tag-team revert just now  has the appearance of bad faith, to me. By his own admission he stated that only 80% bothered him, but he reverted 100%. That and the way he conveniently RV'd after Gamaliel max'd out for today is not mertious, in my view. Rex071404  216.153.214.94   21:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see where I have three reverts today, but that's besides the point.  If Kizzle disagrees with your edits and agrees with mine, why should he not revert you?  Gamaliel 21:25, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kizzle's tag-team revert ? 

message: re: stopping the article dead for a big laundry list of every single individual interviewed in the movie so as to drive away the maximum number of readers before disclosing that one of those individuals happened to be Kenneth Cordier -- already discussed.  Nunh-uh.  The official website will do a much better job than we can of going into that exhaustive level of detail; after all, that's where the list is copied from.  As for changing the language to imply that the only ones whose actions put pressure on Sinclair were "Large Democrat union pension funds", that is not supported by either the old article or the new one.  -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, we don't need every individual in the movie. Also agree that one wasn't causal to another, both the advertisers and democrat union funds withdrew independently as far to my knowledge. --kizzle 03:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  So let me get this strait, you are both arguing that factual information about people who were in the movie deserves less space than partisan bullshit? Secondly, the information about union pension funds is documented, un;ess you have another source. DTC 04:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but we know that Staples pulled out because of customer complaints, not because of the Democratic-leaning pension funds. --kizzle 06:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree about the list of names -- it's not lead section material.  As for the "information" about union pension funds, what's "documented" according to TDC's citation is that one anonymous source has asserted that "[b]ig institutions, including some unions and pension funds, pressured their fund managers to dump Sinclair's stock ...."  Even if we take the anonymous source as totally reliable, he or she says only that there was pressure to sell.  It appears that the pressure was not exclusively from union pension funds.  Whether the pressure resulted in any actual sales is not stated.  Finally, there is no such thing as a "Democrat union".  As a minor item of usage, I pointed out to TDC last August that the use of "Democrat" as an adjective is a right-wing solecism.  (See more extensive discussion here.)  Beyond that, the description would have to be much more nuanced (are these unions allegedly affiliated with the Democratic Party, or simply more likely to conclude that Democratic candidates are the ones who'll best further the interests of the under-$100,000-per-year crowd?)  Also, the very next sentence in the Newsweek article reports similar financial concerns among many other Wall Street types, who tend to be Republicans.  Picking and choosing some facts to convey an impression of a vast left-wing conspiracy is not NPOV. JamesMLane 08:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TDC's edits 

message: This article is really little more than a political debate between two sides of the political spectrum using standard web debating tactics, while failing any basic test for scholastic merit.   As it is now, much of the article resembles an ad hominem attack on Sherwood---suggesting the possibility of a bias and calling into question his journalistic skills, while exploring nothing from the movie that was relevant.  Details of Sherwood's life not relevant to this article, really belong in the Wiki entry on Sherwood, and are largely irrelevant to the stated topic of this article.
I believe that the main thrust of the article should have been a review of the contents of the movie, and an examination of which aspects are one-sided or inaccurate.  --  clt510 16:44, 10 Sep 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article does not meet any meaningful scholastic standards 

message: The lead section of this article is overly long. Please help integrate some parts of it in sections. For helpful hints see WP:LEAD. With proper scructuring the article can become class start. Hoverfish Talk 08:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead section overly long

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