Talk:Astrology/Archive 7

message: It started with the following post on Talk:Objective validity of astrology:
*Incidentally, I'd say this article is pretty much superfluous; it looks like a POV fork of Astrology.  The lead section of Astrology presents the reader with a neutrally stated and verifiable summary of the validity of the subjectand Astrology#The_objective_validity_of_astrology is sufficient, in my view, as a coverage of this issue. Just zis Guy you know? 15:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The history of deletion

message: The deletion has removed all material in the article which and this is no longer available for reuse. It contained many citations and references that had been built up over 14 months and are a useful resource in trying to write a balanced view on Astrology and science. This is petty and not in the best interest of Wikipedia as an encyclopaedia. They need to be made available somehow, perhaps in someone’s User area. Lumos3 09:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to Marskell's warning, I do have the material, and could post it on my user space. Isn't it against policy though to post this anywhere on WP? Aquirata 14:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure there may be rules against reposting deleted material designed to stop reinsertion of libel. You could post to http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=Main_Page and cite Wikipedia as the source then post a link back here. Wikinfo has a policy of encouraging forks and sympathetic points of view. Lumos3 08:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks. I have posted it at http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=Objective_validity_of_astrology. Aquirata 12:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted material

message: I think this piece referencing the 1975 Humanist article (which has been removed by Doov) does have a place in the article, but perhaps not in the 'Astrology and science' section. The letter presents and references no scientific evidence but is an important piece of modern history. A paragraph under 'History' could be written about the relationship between astrology and the establishment through the centuries, which could be finished off by the Humanist article as a modern example. Aquirata 07:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added the response to the article by one of the leading skeptics of the time, Carl Sagan, which gives a better perspective to the theme of the article. Piper Almanac 02:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sagan's comments weren't about the validity of the field, just that he thought it was "authoritarian". It doesn't relate to the article, so I've removed it as irrelevent. Jefffire 11:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sagan's letter was in direct response to the article, which was highly controversial. (He did not want to give his silent consent to the "consensus," which in this case could easily have implicated him). He criticized the article for authoritatively characterizing astrology as superstition and for authoritatively assuming that a mechanism ("scientific basis") is necessary for validity (although he himself did not "feel" that astrology is valid). By describing the origins of chemistry, medicine, and astronomy and Wegener's proposal, he seems to suggest that astrology is a protoscience. Piper Almanac 17:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Humanist article