Talk:Sakanoue no Tamuramaro

message: 68.190.34.181 -- Your serial edits have something to do with race or racism or something ..., but what?  I can't help but notice that you are adding words, but you offer no support for curious claims that historical figures are Negroid or "Black" ...?  You post no edit summaries which might explain your rationale? This leaves me at a loss for what to do?
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What's the point?  In the absence of other information, I can only guess that this is some kind of trouble-making gambit?  If there were some other explanation, now would be a good time to share it. --Tenmei (talk) 14:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Race/racism as disruptive tactic

message: Please refrain from undoing edits repeatedly and Sakanoue no Karitamaro. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. As you know, the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. You should also note that those -- like you -- who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. 
:Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. 
:The revision you want is not going to be implemented as a result of this strategy.
Think carefully about what you do next.--Tenmei (talk) 14:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Warning

message: Sure, it may be unlikely that Tamuramaro was African, but I'm surprised and disappointed that the article completely ignores this oft-believed speculation. True or not, it is part of the mythos which surrounds this man and it needs to be addressed directly, with the reasons both for and against that belief clearly stated. 66.27.92.24 (talk) 17:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That nonsensical speculation is "oft-believed" is irrelevant, and that is certainly true when "oft-believed" means it is limited to Afrocentrists, who are a minority of a minority in the US. Sakanoue being African is not "part of the mythos" outside of Afrocentric circles, and their assertions all go back to an unsourced and unsubstantiated claim in the US 1,100 years after Sakanoue died. There is zero evidence that he was African, and the non-Afrocentrist side does not have to prove the negative to refute a baseless Afrocentrist claim.76.107.33.178 (talk) 03:46, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: African Origins

message: Excuse my writings, I am not a native speaker.
I am at a loss though, why these dubious claims made it to the page as a whole. Wheter it is on the front or not, makes no difference at all in my mind.
Firstly the question is wether Alexander Francis Chamberlain used reputable sources or not for his statements - he himself did not meet Sakanoue no Tamuramaro - or not.
Citing an old source does not excuse one for revealing the sources of the speaker he is citing, even if a lot of time has passed since the statements.
In short, age of statement does not mean truth of statement, except when additionally that statement provides itself clear and precise evidence.
Secondly, references 9, 10, 11, 12 strike me as being a smokescreen. None of what is on those pages has any bearing to the matter at hand, or it is exceedingly diffuse.
There is a need to point to the location of the 'proof'.
Finally, the link that is cunningly named "1" and is obfuscatingly inserted right before the references 9 to 12, jumps to http://www.proudblackbuddhist.org/Japanese_Are_Racist__A_Lecture/Black_Presence_Early_Japan.html
The titel of the page says it all : japanese are racist... according to Runoko Rashidi.
Also searching the name Runoko Rashidi brings up politicised afro-centric writings.
Motivations behind these additions to the page seem evident, proof sparse.
I concur with the notion that Kuro meens dark/bronzed. One who works the fields would be Kuro.
If I see a woodblock print of Sakanoue no Tamuramaro depicting him as black I will change my mind.
As it is now, this page is a disgrace.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.165.221.22 (talk) 21:22, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  4. Dubious claims 

message: Why did the article have to say that an "alternative" view by "Afrocentrists" say that he was black?  Where did they get this from?  They got the info from a white person, so it is not 'Afrocentric,' it is a fact.  Back in 1911, racism was arguably at it's peak against blacks and others, many of whom are accepted as whites today, but were not then.  My point is, you can BETTER trust the history as written from the 1800's and early 1900's BETTER than today, and most certainly better than in most pages of Wikipedia, where white supremacists and historical revisionists work overtime to suppress the truth about a people they put all of their money and abilities into keeping down.  
We should ask why they are so desperate to go on every site imaginable to lie about themselves and others.  Lying about Europe is one thing, but why lie about Japan?  The evidence is clear-cut of black in Asia as the Bhuddas have peppercorn hair, not bone straight hair like most visible Asians.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.100.143.92 (talk) 06:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  while i do agree most of what you say, i have to point out that buddha did NOT originate in china, he originated in India.--2604:2000:1382:4C15:7941:EF80:61CA:E23B (talk) 15:52, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancestry 

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