Talk:Common Travel Area

message: I think the history section needs a bit of info on the restrictions that were imposed during the 2nd world war. Any help out there? Seabhcán 22:33, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Second World War

message: It is my understanding that the Common Travel Area is formally defined in the Immigration Act 1971 of the United Kingdom - i will need to confirm. Djegan 18:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Legal Status

message: Channel Islanders and Manxmen are full British citizens.  It is true that they do not get EEA free movement privileges unless they have or acquire some connection with the UK itself, through descent or residence.
However, the rights of British citizens to live in the Republic of Ireland predate the accession to the then EEC of the UK and Ireland, and hence I'd suggest that Channel Islanders and Manxmen *are* entitled to live in Ireland.  Is there any way to confirm this one way or another?
If this is the case it's likely a Channel Islander or Manxman living in the Republic of Ireland would need to become a naturalised Irish citizen in order to access free movement rights elsewhere in the EEA.  JAJ 01:29, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Channel Islanders/Manxmen 

message: Is there any reference to support this comment?
"Technically, the zone also only applies to citizens born in Ireland or the UK. Persons who have aquired citizenship but were born elsewhere still have to carry a passport. The enforceability, and even constitutionality, of this aspect of the zone is questionable."
JAJ 02:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now removed.   JAJ 05:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overseas Born Citizens

message: :The provisions of that treaty allow for a common visa and travel area, which, if either the United Kingdom or Ireland (but not both) were to sign, would end the zone. 
The paragraphs below shows that this is not going to happen, so as it is speculation not backed up by a source I think the sentence should be removed as its removal would not affect the section. --Philip Baird Shearer 12:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit confused by your comment. What "is not going to happen"? The sentence isn't speculation. If either the UK and Ireland were to join Schengen, they would have to impose border and immigration controls to all non-Schengen states. Or in other words, if the Republic joined without the UK we would have to build a rather long fence along the border and perform regular passport checks at crossing points (as this is required by Schengen rules) thus ending the Common Travel Area. It would on the other hand be speculation to say that neither side will never join Schengen. Caveat lector 13:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation

message: If you get on a plane from London to Dublin, are passports checked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.51.4 (talk • contribs) 
From London to Dublin, yes (although if you were born in either Ireland or the UK you can show your driving license). From Dublin to London there is no check. ... Seabhcan 13:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This shows that the subject of the article isn't freedom of travel but about restrictions on it. If you want to fly within England you cannot do so without a passport or similar ID. You are thus prevented from travelling even within a country. The arrangement is thus the antithesis of a common travel area, assuming that the expression means you can travel without being checked.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 20:28, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traveling by plane 

message: I think the London Times have been reading this article -:)  Blue-Haired Lawyer (formerly Caveat lector) 22:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentions in the press 

message: There seems to be some discrepancy between the sources cited here. The (UK) Times story quotes a UK Home Office source as saying that no passport checks would be imposed on Republic of Ireland citizens travelling to Britain, whereas the Irish Times story implies (without naming a source) that a passport would be required for all air or sea journeys within the present Common Travel Area, i.e. anyone travelling by air between two UK airports, by air between two RoI airports, or by sea between Great Britain and Northern Ireland would in future have to present a passport, in addition to those travelling between the UK and the Republic. Clearly only one of these scenarios can be correct. 217.155.20.163 21:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future plans 

message: There is no truth to the statement that:
:"Persons who have acquired citizenship but were born elsewhere still have to carry a passport or some proof of their British or Irish citizenship."
I don't care how many people believe it to be the case. Blue-Haired Lawyer (formerly Caveat lector) 10:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overseas Born Citizens (Again) 

message: Copied from my talk page:
:  Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia.  Please stop removing the template. The page is part of the template, it's part of a series on the British Isles which as you well know includes the island of Ireland. If the name of the template bothers you so much then propose a rename for the template rather than removing it from articles where it soundly belongs. Blowdart | talk 10:30, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great we've reached chutzpah, Wikipéire has accused me of vandalism!! — Blue-Haired Lawyer 20:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hold on, I'm Wikipéire now?! Look the article is part of the template; instead of removing it, argue for the category name to be changed --Blowdart | talk 20:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is Wikipéire. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What about calling it the "Near Abroad". -:( — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The names put into the text have no sources to verifiability to back up their inclusion. The island group is verifiably called The British Isles and the country is not called the Irish Republic. In order to keep the article at a NPOV the correct names need to stay; that is unless consensus changes. Not liking the names for whatever reason is not a reason to remove them.194.125.126.49 (talk) 15:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

text:  You woke him up; did you say his name 3 times? Look the thing is the naming dispute is not under question; it's right there in the template itself, but regardless of that you shouldn't be piping templates like that. If it is a true bone of contention then you need to propose the move for the template itself; and announce it over the UK, NI and Ireland project home pages. --Blowdart | talk 18:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  British isles 

message: The premise is propaganda. I don't need any identity documents to go on foot from Hertfordshire to Bedfordshire. To be encyclopedic the article needs to be couched in terms of the restrictions placed on movement in the area, such as the need for a passport to take a plane from Bristol to Newcastle. This regime is actually about restriction on movement within a country, not "common travel".
--— Preceding unsigned comment added by 29 April 2011 (talk • contribs) 80.189.103.145
:It is written in the "Border controls" section that there are border controls between UK and the republic (not along N.Ireland land border), and that this formally concerns only non UK or Ireland citizens, but the latter still need a passport to prove that they don't need one. This does (I assume) not concern domestic UK flights. --BIL (talk) 18:37, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: minimal identity documents

message: Hi, I have personal, frequent experience of flying to and from the UK to the Republic of Ireland without using a passport and the attitude of GNIB staff to that choice.
I made one edit, as I hope to inform the general public as to what is 'acceptable' in the real world to be let back in to the country.
As you have an interest in this area of law/this topic I hope you will allow my additional essential information to remain - that a birth certificate showing birth in the island of Ireland and photo ID IS enough to be allowed back into the country, well at least for Irish citizens born prior to 2005 at any rate.
The GNIB cops usually want a driving licence or a passport, but those other two, much cheaper to obtain, documents are entirely valid proof of nationality for CTA purposes as I can testify.
Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.53.155 (talk) 04:15, 23 June 2014
:*In theory Irish citizens can't be refused entry to their own country: documents or not.
:*Birth certs are identity documents.
:*We really need some kind of source to verify what the Gardaí will accept on arrival in Dublin. Our own experiences not enough. What we currently say ("While British citizens are not required to be in possession of a valid travel document as a condition of entry, they may be required to satisfy immigration officials as to their nationality.") is what we have evidence for.
:*The Commonwealth Immigrants Act 1962 was repealed long ago. Agreed. But the immigration regime that not changed since then (other than EC membership that is.) Then, as now, Irish citizens are not subject to entry controls but may be deported. The article cites plenty of sources to confirm this. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 15:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common Travel Area 

message: Although Ryanair may require a passport on its flights (I cannot speak from personal experience) I would have thought that this is a commercial decision by that carrier, in support of greater security, anti-terrorism, or whatever. Is it important enough to mention in the article summary? A lot depends on who checks the passport. If it's purely a check by the carrier then it's not strictly relevant to the CTA. If the passports for Ryanair flights are checked by the UK or Irish immigration officials, then it would be relevant. Does anyone have any insight into this?  Rob Burbidge (talk) 10:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea behind the CTA is that you're meant to be able to travel within it without a passport. For Ryanair to require a passport defeats the whole point of the Common Travel Area. Hence why it's mentioned in the lead. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 19:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the rationale. I think it may be the exact wording... when I read the phrase however, the use of a passport is required by the airline Ryanair in the lead, I assumed it meant that Ryanair had some kind of exception from CTA provisions. To be fair, that's not what the article says. Maybe a phrase change like the airline Rynair imposes an additional passport requirement for travel between the UK and Ireland makes it clearer. I'm not an expert on this, so feel free to disregard if the change garners no support. Rob Burbidge (talk) 11:44, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer the current wording, rearranged for clarity, see edit. Rob (talk | contribs) 22:06, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ryanair accept national id  cards, but as neither Ireland or the UK have these passports have to be used. Murry1975 (talk) 23:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryanair 

message: This is strange wording, because of course such flights are domestic. I am going to go ahead and change it to "same as other domestic"—if there any any objections, please change it back.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.246.254.148 (talk) 20:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Same as domestic" in the Northern Ireland to Great Britain heading 

message: The section on the Schengen Area refers to 'selective identity checks': the citation of the Minister's reply is dead. Search of the Irish equivalent of Hansard brings up the correct reference 
http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/DebatesWebPack.nsf/takes/dail1999111600028?opendocument&highlight=Immigration 
but the display has the search term highlighted. Would someone closer to the topic repair, please. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:15, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schengen Area 

message: It seems interesting to me that English government policy is prepared to accomodate any number of potential ROI visitors arriving in its airports and not require a PCR test or quarantine. By contrast how many people can enter ROI under these conditions (Including ROI citizens)? Only the exempted. Some areas of the CTA are more common than others. Alanalan001 (talk) 15:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  A comparison section of Covid-19 travel restrictions between England and Republic of Ireland and vice versa