Talk:Per Enflo

message: Rozwiązanie podał w 1972 roku, czyli po 36 latach, szwedzki matematyk Per Enflö, który z rąk prof. S.Mazura odebrał obiecaną nagrodę w Centrum im. Stefana Banacha w Warszawie.
http://www.loela.republika.pl/rozne/s_banach/stefan_banach.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.238.174.81 (talk) 16:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish source 1972 for Goose of Mazur 

message: Humans like images, particularly human faces. ¨
:Perhaps so, but if this entry isn't about other people, placing a variety of images of notable people falls under, imho, of what wiki explains should not be done, which is to bolster notability because someone is (academically) related to someone. In other words, the importance of an achiement should (a) stand on its own and not base on who suggested A study the problem, and (b) should be supported with a reliable secondary source, not a picture of B.
I would ask Edstat ( again like other editors have previously)  to avoid questioning motives, e.g. with the phrase that images were noted "to increase notability". Grothendieck's work on the basis problem is fundamental to the approximation problem. Bombieri's connection with paper on the invariant subspace problem is dicussed by Yakov, etc., and is credited by Bombieri's  recent book on Diophantine geometry. ¨¨¨¨
:See above.
I just chopped out most of the images. I believe this makes the article easier to read. I left in the ones which actually depict thing from Enflo's life, although I'm not sure about that photo of the concert hall. CESSMASTER (talk) 23:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edits look fine. He debuted at the concert hall, and such debuts are considered important for concert pianists, apparently.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:52, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Edstat removed the section on the basis problem. Now the article reads as though that result follows from the super-reflexive renorming result. Edstat, stop messing with articles if you have no clue as to their topic! (I don't edit articles on scheme theoretic algebraic geometry, etc. for the same reason!) Know your limitations! Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 21:57, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ignoring your provactive personal attack, the extraneous overdetailed material on the Basis problem was deleted for the reason stated above and need not be restated here. Feel free to start a stub and redirect to it. Furthermore, it is against wiki policy to discourage editors from editing.Edstat (talk) 22:03, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Please don't abuse the revert rule. Inappropriate material was deleted after your revert. To be clear: The basis problem should and can be included - but it should be restricted to Enflo's contribution based on a reliable independent and secondary source; this is not the place for a historical lesson, the inclusion of images not relevant to Enflo, or the recitation of an Award that doesn't appear to meet the notability standard.Edstat (talk) 22:08, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Other than that, again, your recent edits generally look very good. I still think there are too many headings, subheadings, subsubheadings, etc, which should be considered.Edstat (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please examine one of the references to the basis problem. It was usually considered the outstanding problem in functional analyis, and it is discussed in the references I gave before, which have pictures of the goose, Enflo and Mazur. I welcome your comments about style and stimulus to revision, but many of your edits have been about technical content, where you lack competence and should not edit---the most egregious being your bravado about the basis problem. Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basis problem ? 

message: The recent editing of the section on invariant subspace problems now is misleading. Please revert to the previous issue, to avoid violating the Wikipedia policy about biographies of living persons. I have previously indicated that standard sources are very careful about the chronology --- "It is standard to give the dates on Enflo's solution of the invariant subspace problem: See Yadav, Beauzamy, Aliprantis and Burkinshaw, etc. Please read Yadav." --- and avoid making the phrasing that Edstat has introduced, which speculates about "influence" where no references are given and I am quite certain that no publications have discussed the details that would justify such a claim, if it be true. (Also, Beauzamy was referenced before as being influenced, and now you have removed the influence, which was noted in his book, which is quoted in Pietsch.) This is again very reckless and improper editing. Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't say I agree with this at all. The info deleted was extraneous. If you believe a very short segue is appropriate, please feel free to do so, as that will edit the flow. But material not relevant (i.e., lengthy historical developments to a problem that predate Enflo) are not appropriate. AGain, if you feel it is that important, why not create a stub and redirect?Edstat (talk) 03:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invariant subspace problem 

message: The section gave an account of Enflo's joint paper, which explained the result, quoting Pääbo (and coauthors') article. Now there's no explanation of Enflo's contribution. This again was reckless and destructive editing, which should have been proposed here first. Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 23:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't say I agree with this at all. First of all, we have the continuing problem of primary and non-independent sources. Can you not find this in the New York Times or some other reliable secondary source?Edstat (talk) 03:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Svante Pääbo's paper is a reliable source, which discusses Enflo/Wolpoff/Hawks. (See the comment in Enflo's coauthor John Hawks's blogg under "demographic turnover".) I'll find the Swedish front-page story in a week or so. Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 16:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neanderthals 

message: This article is now also part of the biography project for musicians, which has developed guidelines for including information about living performing artists (noted primarily for their music, while Enflo is noted mostly for mathematics). The musician biographies seems to have more musician-reported material than do the WP biographies for  academics, I believe. Thanks, Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piano and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians|Musician Project]] 

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