Talk:Owen Lattimore

message: Lattimore was indicted for perjury! Sorry to the poster above. It is known that he was one Yankeeroman(68.100.231.37 00:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  no bias 

message: I have edited out the irrelevant and unsubstantiated material that had been inserted in this article. DavidCartago 20:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't use inflammatory edit summaries. It is also far more polite to ask first for any missing sources. Charles Matthews 22:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias Removed 

message: There have been a few here. You are supposed to discuss matters here, not just take out material. There is not a lot of point doing that without making a case and raising the issues properly. Charles Matthews 22:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drive-by edits

message: That section title as Lattimore's Theory on the Reciprocation between Civilization and the Environment is not house style. Charles Matthews 22:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Uoper case

message: I have once again removed contentious language about the reaction to Lattimore's National Geographic article.  When I removed it before, that was not "POV hacking," it was just making the article stick to the facts.
:So you mean Lattimore was at no point criticised for this? I think you may be wrong about that. But in any case, as I wrote above just moments ago, it is more polite to ask first about possible sources, rather than simply to cut. If I can explain, there have been a couple of edits, not just one, skewing (as I would see it) that passage, from left and right as it were. I had put it back to what it was before both edits, since neither impressed me. Charles Matthews 22:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course he was criticized, and my edits left that fact in place, while removing what appeared to be a partisan attempt to expand upon the criticism. DavidCartago 22:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed editorial comment on the charges arising from trip to the USSR.  

message: the quote in the article is half missing.  Where is the rest of the quote or remove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hmains (talk • contribs) 05:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  quote half missing 

message: 1. I have changed his given name from Nikolai to Nicholas since that seems to be the name he took after emigration into the U.S. Or at least amazon gives a whole list of his books when typing Nicholas, as opposed to none when typing Nikolai. 
2. I don't think the Wannsee Institute is infamous. The Wannsee conference rightly is, but the Institute does not seem to be directly related (though http://www.ghwk.de/sonderausstellung/villenkolonie/wannsee_institut.htm implies that employees of the institute played a role in mass killings in the Baltics and Poland and worked with the Einsatzgruppen). In any case, it's much less known than the conference.
3. I am not aware of any (even unsuccessful) german attempts to set up puppet governments (i.e. administrations that give an appearance of local souvereignity) in the caucasus. But this may just be my own ignorance. http://www.wpunj.edu/newpol/issue23/oppenh23.htm states that he worked as an interpreter, which seems far more likely. Yaan 16:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicholas Poppe 

message: To make the section read more smoothly, I moved some of the detail from the first sentences to a footnote and added reference to M. Stanton Evans Blacklisted by History, which includes a detailed account of the accusations. I added material on the hearings from James Cotton's book and tried to highlight the accusations while also noting Lattimore's responses. cwh (talk) 18:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaning up section on Accusations and adding new references

message: As you can see from the additions I have made to the reference section, I am doing some reading about Lattimore. Sometime in the next month or so, I'd like to add more about his scholarly significance and contributions to make the article more balanced between the Cold War and the pre-war periods. This would involve some boiling down and rearranging. I will try to retain the various points of analysis, however. ch (talk) 05:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds great to me. The article sure needs a lot of work. Most of the material around his alleged pro-communist politics is currently based on far-right-wing authors like M. Stanton Evans, and there's no sense of what the balance of opinion among modern scholars is on this issue. I don't know enough about the subject to do any serious rewriting myself, but maybe your edits will inspire me to do the needed research to become involved as well. RedSpruce (talk) 15:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. One would never get as much as an inkling from this that Lattimore was one of the finest area scholars of his day, whose work had a wide and compelling influence on Chinese studies.Nishidani (talk) 17:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the very first sentence should be changed to "Owen Lattimore was an influential scholar of ...", i.e. that author and educator stuff removed? Or at least only mentioned further down the text? Yaan (talk) 17:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: Quoting the article: "In 1952, Lattimore was indicted for perjury on seven counts. Six of the counts related to various discrepancies between Lattimore's testimony and the IPR records; the seventh accused Lattimore of seeking to deliberately deceive the SISS Lattimore's defenders,. . .  Within three years, the charges against him were dismissed.'[25] In his book Ordeal by Slander, Lattimore gives his own account of this episode."
"Ordeal by Slander" came out in 1950.  How could Lattimore have written about events taking place in 1952 in 1950? At best this is ambiguous, if what is meant is that he discussed earlier events in the book.  At worst, it's just wrong.  68.54.160.137 (talk) 01:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency 

message: I tightened the section and removed points which I could not find backed up in the works by Buck, Cotton, and Rowe. Using raw FBI reports seems to be on the edge of Original Research, so I also checked John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr, Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America (New Haven: Yale University Press,  1999, which does not list Lattimore in the index. On pp. 146-47 they say that Venona messages discuss Laughlin Currie and show that he "gave assistance to Soviet intelligence cautiously and on a limited basis." They call him "White House Aide as Soviet Spy," which seems to me to be stretching it since they do not say that he was under Soviet control or pay. But "spy" is certainly a flexible term. In any case, there is no Venona connection with Lattimore, so it seemed enough to stick with what is demonstrable about him. ch (talk) 06:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Commendable editing, thanks.Nishidani (talk) 07:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  World War II and after 

message: A small portrait of Lattimore would be useful at the top of the article. "[A Turki man] was built in ovoid curves. The smaller end of this fleshy ellipse was decorated ... with an embroidered skullcap of mulbery plush, while the lover outlines were veiled more with hangings than clothes ... his shirt hung out like a wilted sporran. He spoke fluent--nay copious--Chinese of a high-flown sort in a saccharine voice like a nightingale choked with Turkish delight ..."--purple prose by Lattimore.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 08:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrait 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In 1963, he was recruited from Johns Hopkins University to establish the Department of Chinese Studies (now East Asian Studies) at the University of Leeds.
I think Lattimore left Baltimore, which he characterized as a 'sleepy English village' in contrast to Leeds 'the driving creative American city', because he was not given study leave or tenure. He was unhappy in Baltimore, and that is why he left. Leeds very sensibly offered him a job.(Pamour (talk) 17:08, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leeds 

message: Would anyone be opposed changing the format of the publications to remove the irregular placement of the publication year at the beginning? I propose that we list his publications in MLA format, in the interest of using a more universal standard. 
If anyone has thoughts on this please let me know. If you’re the author and there’s a particular reason you did it this way, I’m happy to leave it alone.
Neighborhood Nationalist (talk) 10:42, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publications format