Talk:...And Justice for All (film)

message: What's the justification for including a final period in the title? Neither the movie poster depicted in the article, nor the DVD cover, nor the theatrical trailer have the period, and including it everywhere just makes the article read weird, since you can't tell that the period is nominally in italics. Could the person who made the change (or anyone else with the information) please cite an official source, at least here on the Talk page, so we can avoid reverts back and forth? Thanks, Hqb 20:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize that the phrase displayed over the children's recital, like in the trailer, may well include the period. But that is not necessarily the official title of the film, to be used when referring to it. For example, we don't write the title in all-lowercase in the Wikipedia article, even though it was displayed like that. A more authoritative source would be the official studio credits, i.e., the little "Columbia Pictures presents / A Norman Jewinson film / ..." blurb you'll find on almost every movie poster and DVD cover. All the promotional materials that I cite above ­– both from the original and from later releases – do not include the final period (but do include the leading ellipsis). Thus, the version without the period is most likely the name under which the film is registered with the MPAA – who I suppose would be the ultimate arbiter. Unfortunately, they do not provide public access to their title database. Hqb 19:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Another piece of evidence: The Academy Awards database entry for ...And Justice for All omits the period. Hqb 19:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It didn't use to, and since IMDB is based on user contributions, and doesn't cite any sources it's hard to say whether the title was changed for a solid reason, or just on someone's whim. In any case, not one of the 4 movie posters and DVD covers they show includes the period. Hqb (talk) 13:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trailing period in name?

message: This movie surely has hundreds of cultural references. An article about a movie of this stature hardly needs a cultural references section, because it is referenced pervasively in all media. The fact that the only cultural reference is an episode of 6teen doesn't show the cultural impact of the film. I think this section should either be greatly expanded, or preferably deleted altogether.
PeramWiki (talk) 13:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural References

message: It may be noted that, in the film's opening credits, only twelve cast members are listed. Below is a reproduction of the form in which the cast is indicated:
Columbia Pictures presents
a Joe Wizan presentation of
a Norman Jewison film
Al Pacino
…and justice for all.
starringJack Warden
John Forsythe
    andLee Strasberg
co-starring Jeffrey Tambor
Christine Lahti
Sam Levene
Robert ChristianThomas Waites
Larry BryggmanCraig T. NelsonDominic Chianese
The on-screen closing credits start with the following 11 alphabetically-ordered names:       FeaturingVICTOR ARNOLDVINCENT BECKMICHAEL GORRINBAXTER HARRISJOE MORTONALAN NORTHTOM QUINNBEVERLY SANDERSCONNIE SAWYERCHARLES SIEBERTROBERT SYMONDSThe above 11 names are followed by the names of production personnel and, at the end of the credits crawl, the header CAST is followed by 50 names — the 12 names in the opening credits, the same 11 alphabetically-arranged names at the start of the closing credits, 9 additional alphabetically-arranged names and 18 names not in alphabetical order, but presumably in order of importance.Below is a reproduction of the order in which the cast is depicted in the closing credits (it should be noted that all 50 names scroll upward in the form of a continuous crawl — the below numbering of names and division into four columns is done solely for convenience of use): 
#Arthur KirklandAL PACINO
#Judge RayfordJACK WARDEN
#Judge FlemingJOHN FORSYTHE
#Grandpa SamLEE STRASBERG
#Jay PorterJEFFREY TAMBOR
#Gail PackerCHRISTINE LAHTI
#ArnieSAM LEVENE
#Ralph AgeeROBERT CHRISTIAN
#Jeff McCullaughTHOMAS WAITES
#Warren FresnellLARRY BRYGGMAN
#Frank BowersCRAIG T. NELSON
#Carl TraversDOMINIC CHIANESE
#Leo FauciVICTOR ARNOLD
#Officer LearyVINCENT BECK
#Elderly ManMICHAEL GORRIN
#LarryBAXTER HARRIS
#Prison DoctorJOE MORTON
#Deputy SheriffALAN NORTH
#Desk Clerk KileyTOM QUINN
#SherryBEVERLY SANDERS
#GitelCONNIE SAWYER
#Assistant D. A. KeeneCHARLES SIEBERT
#Judge BurnsROBERT SYMONDS
#Marvin BatesKEITH ANDES
#Robert WenkeSTEPHEN BLACKMORE
#AvillarVASILI BOGAZIANOS
#George ReislerTERRENCE CURRIER
#Dapper DefendantWALTER DAVY
#Judge HoweRITA FREDRICKS
#Prison WardenJACK HOLLANDER
#Matt GibsonCARL PISTILLI
#William ZinoffDARRELL ZWERLING
#DriverJOHN HERTZLER
#Leah ShepardTERI WOOTTEN
#Deputy SheriffJOHN AQUINO
#PolicSIDNEY CLUTE
#GallagherANGUS DUNCAN
#CrennaJOHNNY HAYMER
#CecilKENNETH PATTERSON
#HookerALLISHA COUNCIL
#Young WomanMOLLY KOHLER
#Mrs. BarnesCATHLEEN SCHURR
#Defense AttorneyDONALD S. SAIONTZ
#ParamedicBILL POLK
#Woman in CarBONITA CARTWRIGHT
#Court ClerkFRANK SLIWKA
#Court ReporterJULIUS DUNBAR
#WaitressANGELYN FORBES
#Prison GuardNEWTON SCOTT
#Escort OfficerMcLINDSEY HAWKINS
    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: The opening credits list 12 cast members while the closing credits list 50

message: It's true that the movie title ends in a period in the IMDb entry. However, it does not end in a period in the AllMovie, Rotten Tomatoes, American Film Institute Catalog, or TCM Movie Database entries.
Also, look at this: ...And_Justice_for_All.#/media/File:Justice_movieposter.jpg
and at the movie poster image in this: http://www.allmovie.com/movie/v2201 
Mksword (talk) 00:29, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The original movie trailer shows no end period https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQcqSr83EuU Kaltenmeyer (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this article's title end in a period? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 14:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ...And Justice for All. →  – As discussed above, and as in sources - the full stop is not present in AFI catalogue or other reliable sources, only the unreliable imdb. Note that the disambiguation page will need to be updated if/when the page is moved. PamD 07:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Support, for the reasons above. The article text has long omitted the final period; it just remains as an unexplained oddity in the article title itself. Hqb (talk) 16:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 24 September 2021