Talk:Dromedary

message: Yet, the world's only population of wild dromedaries are in Australia.
In addition to being grammatically incorrect (should be "...is in Australia"), this sentence seems to directly contradict the animal's conservation status of "extinct in the wild". Can someone please clear this up? Matt Gerber 19:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro is still unclear with respect to conservation status 

message: The paragraph which begins "The stronger and more durable Bactrian Camels. . ." seems to imply that the Arab conquest of North Africa introduced the domesticated Bactrian camel, not the dromedary. Is this correct? If it is, it belongs in the article on the Bactrian Camel, not here. —Charles P. (Mirv) 17:41, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move mention of bactrian camels 

message: The current article states
"None survive in the wild, although there is an escaped feral population of about 700,000 in Australia.[1]"
But according to the PDF linked in [1], the article states the number as being "at least 300,000". This is the same figure that is mentioned in the Feral article, which uses the same source. Where does the number 700,000 come from? This figure should refer to another source, or be changed to 300,000.
"None survive in the wild, although there is an escaped feral population"  sounds like a contradiction to me.  Is there some good reason why a feral population does not qualify as "in the wild"? -- DPJ, 2006-02-19 19:38 UTC
:I've altered the text so that statement hopefully makes more sense.  The previous wording was a copyvio anyway.  Tomertalk 05:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  700,000 is exaggerated 

message: I was rather taken aback by the title of this article.  Surely the correct term is Arabian camel?  A dromedary is a specialised type of Arabian camel bred for racing. PatGallacher 21:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I quote from Oakland Zoo website "The name 'Dromedary' is properly reserved for the Arabian racing camel such as those used in the various military camel corps."
Having moved this article, I will change the contents in due course. PatGallacher 14:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I have never heard of an "Arabian Camel".  Was this change made based solely on the Oakland Zoo page?  If no further support for the name "Arabian Camel" can be found, this page should be moved back.  See Wikipedia:Use common names.  Note also that every other Wikipedia version also calls the animal "Dromedary" or a variant thereof.  Tomertalk 03:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to "Arabian Camel" instead of "Arabian camel".  No, this change was not just based on Oakland Zoo website.  I read something along the same lines in an encyclopedia some years ago, and Wikipedia is the first serious reference work I have come across which used this terminology.  I rode one of these animals a few years ago, I don't remember the guide calling it a dromedary.  There is a certain symmetry in Arabian Camel v. Bactrian Camel.  Trying a goggle search does not provide a clear answer to the question: which is the more common name.  In any case, if you read the Wikipedia guidelines, "Use common names" is not a rigid guideline, there can be exceptions if a name is problematic in some way. PatGallacher 12:40, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Since no response to the above has been made in the past month and a half, I'm going to go ahead and move the article back to Dromedary.  If anyone wants it at Arabian camel, they can go ahead and bring it up at WP:RM.  Cheers, Tomertalk 20:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

text: That's nice, but how does it support or diminish anything said above?  Tomertalk 04:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Terminology

message: "Around the second millennium BC, camels became established to the Sahara region but disappeared again from the Sahara beginning around 900 BC. The Persian invasion of Egypt under Cambyses introduced domesticated camels to the area. Domesticated camels were used through much of North Africa, and the Romans maintained a corps of camel warriors to patrol the edge of the desert. The Persian camels, however, were not particularly suited to trading or travel over the Sahara; rare journeys made across the desert were made on horse-drawn chariots.
The stronger and more durable Bactrian Camels first began to arrive in Africa in the fourth century. It was not until the Islamic conquest of North Africa, however, that these camels became common. While the invasion was accomplished largely on horseback, the new links to the Middle East allowed camels to be imported en masse. These camels were well-suited to long desert journeys and could carry a great deal of cargo. For the first time this allowed substantial trade over the Sahara."
Please state which species os camels you mean here. the paragraph explains an intertwined history of two species of camels which can be both described by the word camel.
Hakeem.gadi 08:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: . I have re-edited this paragraph.--Sainsf <^>Talk all words 12:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The following paragraph is full of ambiguities, PLZ re-edit 

message: If there is a very substantial population of dromediaries in Australia, and the only major feral population in the whole world, the map should show this.  Since there is no wild population, the distribution shown on the map should be the actual domesticated and feral populations, not historic distribution.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.55.37 (talk) 15:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Map query

message: Are there any (archeological) references on the domestication of the camel? How does it comes that estimates range from 4000 to 1400 BCE. That is several thousand years.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.132.139.146 (talk) 22:50, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: . References added.--Sainsf <^>Talk all words 12:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Domestication

message: hi  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.111.192 (talk) 20:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ale stew 

message: What is the hump? why doesn't the article say anything about it? --62.101.126.215 (talk) 11:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good idea. I have described about the hump now.--Sainsf <^> (talk) 13:35, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the hump? 

message: There are three pages on Wikipedia that mention the fat content of camel milk.  Here is what they say:
:"Camel milk is a staple food of desert nomad tribes, and is richer in fat and protein than cow milk."(This article, "Dairy" section)
:"It is lower in fat and cholesterol fat than cow milk." ("Camel" article, "Dairy" section)
:"The fat content in camel’s milk is similar to that of cow’s milk." ("Camel milk" article, "Nutritional value" section)
I'm no expert on camels, but this is a bit... surreal.  Can somebody please do something about this: I'm not qualified to do it myself.  Thanks.  Tennesseellum (talk) 03:02, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camel milk nutritional value 

message: For some reason the article says the origin of dromadery is Arabian Pennisula while other wikiarticles and sources mention Western Asia. Western Asia is more logical if you consider where camelids in general came from and what was the recent geological history of Arabian pennisula  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.10.97.209 (talk) 23:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There are references supporting the origin as Arabian peninsula in the article.--Sainsf <^>Talk all words 12:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin

message: There is claim in the article that states "a dehydrated camel can drink 200 liters in just three minutes". It is not referenced and doesn't look like being possible.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.199.76 (talk) 16:05, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced drinking capacity claim 

message: Right - some observations...Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:45, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Now "Dromedary" everywhere. Sainsf <^>Talk all words 10:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Sainsf <^>Talk all words 10:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Fixed. Sainsf <^>Talk all words 10:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

text: How about having the section as "Taxonomy and naming", and the genetics, hybrids and evolution part as a separate section with subheading "Hybrids"? I have tried this format in Scimitar oryx (just that there are no hybrids). Sainsf <^>Talk all words 10:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Thanks, Casliber. I would work right away as per your suggestions. Sainsf <^>Talk all words 10:14, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-FAC comments 

message: The map showing the distribution of Dromedaries is not correct. Dromedaries are bred as far north as Kazakhstan. They live quite nicely there.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.238.225.106 (talk) 08:59, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dromedary range is incorrect  

message: I'm pretty sure the blood volume of a dromedary is not 0.093 litres (it's typically 5 litres for an adult human). No idea what the correct range is, however. It could possibly be that 93 ml/kg is intended. Gubernagl (talk) 00:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed this point for now, it needs to be checked before or is re-added. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:49, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blood volume in Anatomy 

message: In this article, the word "Dromedary" is often used without the word "camel" following it.  In contrast, the word "Bactrian" is rarely used alone and is usually followed by the word "camel".  Is there a convention here?  It is not much of a problem in the text, but I noted that the article titles are Dromedary and Bactrian camel which seems rather inconsistent.__DrChrissy (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As Cas Liber pointed out above, dromedary is the commonest name. When I was improving this article, there was hardly a source that added a "camel" after the name. And the inconsistency is apparent in the sources as well, not just here. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:43, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dromedary" or "Dromedary camel" 

message: The current introduction to this article mentions three species of camel, but there are only two (dromedary and bactrian). I fixed this, but it was reverted with a message saying "sources suggest three species" with of course no source given. Everywhere else in this article, as well as on other Wikipedia pages about camels, any google search, and scientific literature about camels (e.g. Gupta et al, Scientometrics, 2015) indicates there are TWO species of camels. Can whoever supports this three-camel mention please explain yourself and perhaps provide some sources, if you claim they exist?
2601:184:4201:77D7:85F3:85D7:3896:F7D7 (talk) 12:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It was I who reverted your edit. The article reads "The dromedary shares the genus Camelus with the Bactrian camel (C. bactrianus) and the wild Bactrian camel (C. ferus)." (Taxonomy section; we do not include citations for this in the lead, though this can be done if necessary.) Two sources support this – the Mammal Species of the World source, that explains the dispute on whether C. ferus is an independent species or not (I have clarified this point now, please see this); the second is the book Ungulate Taxonomy that treats it as a species and has an account on C. ferus. Hence the claim is supported by sources, and you may like to see the article wild Bactrian camel, which goes with the three-species classification. Not every source says C. ferus is nothing but a subspecies, see for example the IUCN Red List entry and a 2004 study. There is no clear consensus on this, as can be seen here. Sainsf <^>Feel at home 13:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: @Sainsf Well done for clearing that up.  I think it would benefit with a source/s.  These can be provided in the lead, although in my own style I prefer to provide these in the main body.  Does this mean the dendrogram need adjusting slightly? DrChrissy (talk) 14:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry for the late response, your ping didn't reach me. The dendrogram is based on a study that didn't recognise the wild Bactrian camel as a species, so we can't alter it. As this is a controversial point, I think it is proper to add a citation or two to the claim in the lead as well. Your ideas? Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:39, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: THat sounds good to me. DrChrissy (talk) 12:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three species of camels 

message: What is meant by this sentence? If it means they need human aid, this seems obviously incorrect, as there are plenty of feral populations that reproduce on their own. FunkMonk (talk) 15:58, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The source (ref. 14, see here) says "there is a lack of agreement as to whether the male camel is always assisted to effect penetration. Those who accept the argument of assistance use it to justify the lack of wild camels, allegedly caused by an inability to copulate. The Australian feral herd, however, continues to expand in the wild." Later it says the lack of wild camels can also be justified if the dominant male becomes overworked and can not mate extensively. I thought it best just to mention the dispute, though the argument of assistance does appear very weak. If it is that controversial, it would be better to remove it. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:24, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you should at least reflect the "The Australian feral herd, however, continues to expand in the wild" part in the article... Then you show there is a dispute, but that it is kind of obvious that they can procreate by themselves. FunkMonk (talk) 16:28, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, seems less contradictory now... FunkMonk (talk) 12:25, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "It is disputed whether the male dromedary can penetrate the female on his own or not." 

message: ...such as the ability to tolerate greater than 30% of the water content of the body...
Clarified 2nd paragraph sentence; used later "adaptations" section as source.
--Deepfrieddough (talk) 16:50, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing word or phrase? 

message: Is missing, I believe. Anonyma (talk) 19:01, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life Expectancy? 

message: The intro/lead section states  however the Characteristics section states  I'm not sure which is correct. 66.151.179.99 (talk) 16:34, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size relative to other species of camel; self-contradictory tag 

message: Under the Distribution section, one image has a caption containing the phrase "Feral dromedary is only living in Australia." This is not a grammatically correct sentence, and I'm reluctant to fix it because I don't really know what the intended meaning is.
--Please stop. (talk) 19:48, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible typo in an image caption 

message: The map shows the distribution of the dromedary excluding Anatolia (Turkey), which is consistent with the map shown at Bactrian camel, where Turkey is included. However, I believe this is a mistake - the camel bred in Turkey is the dromedary, not the Bactrian camel. The confusion might have arrived because the camels seen in the Camel wrestling event in Western Turkey look very much like Bactrian camels, but in fact they are Tülü hybrids, which are not even bred in Turkey (save some small farm) but imported from Iran and Afghanistan. The only population which does traditionally breed camels in Turkey, as far as I know, are the Yörük nomads north of Antalya and south of Kayseri, and although I haven't been there personally, every single photograph I can find in internet which shows Yörüks with their camels shows only dromedaries, never Bactrian camels. 
So unless somebody has a good source to explain where Bactrian camels are bred in Turkey, I think we should change the map. I expect opinions or debate here in the next few days, if nobody disagrees I'd proceed to do the change.
(I'll post this same message at the Bactrian camel page, hope this is okay, as both maps must be corrected) Ilyacadiz (talk) 08:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected the Bactrian camel article and map errors, but the map on this article is fine; since those camels are not feral populations. Any domestic breed can be bred anywhere in the world, then we would have to paint the entire globe. For instance, the United States has more camels than Turkey, but it wouldn't make sense to include the U.S. in the map as there is no known feral population. Mapist (talk) 09:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distribution 

message: It is written here that the Dromedary is the tallest of the camel species, reaching a height of 2 m (at the shoulder), but the article on the Bactrian camel states that this Asian camel's shoulder height can be as much as 2.3 m.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.120.55.87 (talk) 18:29, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description - wrong info? 

message: I can't really use this as a source, but here goes: In the movie Lawrence of Arabia, when the Arabs are raiding the Turkish outpost in Aqaba, they gallop in on both camels and horses. I immediately noticed that the horses kicked up big clouds of dust, but not the dromedaries. Even though they ran as fast as the horses, they kicked up very little dust. There must be something about their hooves that are adapted to prevent dust clouds. If anyone knows of a better source, we should add this to the anatomy section. I think it's a fascinating detail. — MiguelMunoz (talk) 10:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hooves and Dust