Talk:L. Patrick Gray

message: Question #1: Anybody want to share with the rest of us what the "L." stands for?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.226.245 (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The beginning of the article states that his full name was Louis Patrick Gray III.  Wasted Time R (talk) 21:11, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The 'L'

message: I have reverted the initial addition not because I think the information should be removed from the article, I don't, but mostly because I think there are better places for it in the article than the legal struggles section. As written, there is a bit of a mixture of information with regard to his conduct regarding the investigation (i.e., sharing of investigative files with Dean) and information regarding his destruction of files from Hunt's safe, which all involved have insisted were not Watergate related. I think this information would be best incorporated to the individual subsections on the investigation and the destruction of the Hunt files.
Having said that, I also want to voice some concern about some of the statements used in this new addition. Taken as a whole, the addition appears to try and paint a picture of Gray that comes from the contributor's own understandings and conclusions. I think this is particularly the case with the third paragraph, which provided no cited material and offered opinions like "... it is Gray’s subsequent conduct that probably saved him from an indictment ..." Without appropriate citations for these assertions, I can't justify keeping them in the article.
Nonetheless, I think there is good material here and would like to work on incorporating some of this material into the article in the appropriate sections. I certainly welcome  SBmeier's assistance in this, especially since I do not currently have access to Dean and Haldeman's respective memoirs, and anyone else taking an interest in the matter. 
On a side note, I will be out of town this weekend and may not get another chance to look at this until early next week. I would appreciate if any significant work on the article was held off until then. (Morethan3words | talk) 06:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the feedback.  Frankly, I wasn't sure where to put it but thought that it should be addressed somewhere.  Besides the Haldeman and Dean books, I also used my copy of Woodward & Bernstein's The Final Days. They all seemed consistent.  The last statement is really my own conclusion based, in part, on a quote (not used) from an FBI or AG exec who expressed serious distress that Gray put himself in the middle of this.  As a former investigator myself (long ago), what I could piece together seemed like Gray did not make it his business to know what he should have known.  He was a political appointee who was, at least for a time, acting like one.  This bias as such is contrasted with repeated statements in these sources that the only hope is to prevent an investigation because once one starts it goes where it goes. SBmeier (talk) 22:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
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