Talk:Trout Mask Replica

message: *All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen Talk 23:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And exactly how is Zelda's Lullaby relevant to this? --46.9.126.74 (talk) 17:52, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: '''<^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>'''

message: Why did we delete the link to Piero Scaruffi's review of this album?  Scaruffi gave this record a 9.5 out of 10 and once said "At the end of the millennium it becomes more and more evident that Trout Mask Replica is the only record of rock music worth listening to."
The 9.5 rating is so rare that as of 2007, Scaruffi has only given it to 3 (out of the 5000+ he's reviewed) albums:  Trout Mask Replica (1969), Faust's eponymous debut (1971), and Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom (1974).
Ilike1954rcamodels 00:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please leave personal bias out of Wikipedia. I read Scaruffi's page on The Beatles and The Byrds after your comment, and nowhere do I see "the beatles copied the byrds sound" or anything of that regard. Yes, Scaruffi does not appreciate The Beatles as much as you, but that does not discredit him from critiquing music. The fact that TMR received a 9.5 AND is Scaruffi's no. 1 rock album of all time is very important. The fact that Scaruffi has reviewed over 8,000 artists and written books over the material does not make some average blogger. I'm looking at this from an objective standpoint. I don't agree with Scaruffi on everything, but his inclusion is important considering his knowledge and expertise on TMR. 128.62.207.130 (talk) 18:40, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piero Scaruffi 

message: Ok Boris, looking good so far. Here's what I think the article needs.
# Background
#* This section seems mandatory in album FAs. We should put stuff about line-up changes and the move to the trout house here
#* Any chance of getting a photo of the house?
# Composition/production
#* Composition : DVV's methods; Drumbo's notes from Grow Fins
#* Production: just details about the recording, probably not much more than the current third and fourth paragraph here
# Music and lyrics
#* Separate section about the music, musicians playing in different metres, etc.
#* Melodies and lyrics cribbed from other music
#* Mention some specific lyrical themes; I think the 33 1/3 book has some stuff about these
# Release/aftermath
#* Mention Amougies festival?
#* Contemporary reviews: any more of these? There's probably something to be had from the Lester Bangs one, although it's mostly an exercise in name-checking jazz musicians (might fit better in the music section)
#* More concrete information about Peel's playing the record and its getting to #21 on the UK charts; didn't he play a track off the record every week because he wasn't allowed to play the whole thing in one go? Have to check that
#* Maybe something about relationship with Zappa, Hot Rats, etc.
# Legacy
#* It's easy to slip into trivia with these sections; I think we should avoid mentioning specific artists who've been 'influenced' by the record and just stick to general comments like what we've got now. Mention Langdon Winner's essay in Stranded?
#* We should probably mention the reputation the album commonly has among uncomprehending yahoos; this kind of thing.
I guess this is probably similar to what you have in mind, I find it's useful to have this stuff pinned down up front. Let us know what you think. Flowerparty☀ 19:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure 

message: The article starts referring to Beefheart as "Van Vliet" without indicating that they are the same person.  This ought to be fixed, either by explaining that Van Vliet is Captain Beefheart, or by just referring to him as "Beefheart" throughout the article. john k (talk) 15:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Van Vliet? 

message: While it's true that many writers will claim that Trout Mask is Captain Beefheart's one and only masterpiece, his magnum opus, there's plenty of dissenting opinions among prominent critics and music writers. Robert Christgau, Lester Bangs, Trouser Press come to mind, but there are more. It's likely his most influential album, but "masterpiece" or "magnum opus" implies that it's superior to and unequaled by every other Beefheart album, an opinion which is far from unanimous. Xelkman (talk) 10:14, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masterpiece, magnum opus