Talk:Cravat (early)

message: Maybe it should be stated that the origin of the cravat or necktie is debatable, since Chinese emperors (or soldiers) seem to have worn ties as those described in this article, in the way described in the article, long (very long) before the 17th c. (see Chinese clay army from 3rd c. B.C.) 69.171.130.61 (talk) 02:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: What about cravats worn later in history, such as Michael Caine or Clark Gable or Errol Flynn? It seems that this should be discussed on this page. I will include a sample link showing some images. http://thegentlemanblog.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/the-gentleman-and-the-cravat/ Missyagogo (talk) 00:28, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cravats Later in History? 

message: Doesn't cravate mean "tie" in French, doesn't the word originate from french?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Autismal (talk • contribs) 13:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cravatia 

message: How is this Cravat any different from the ascot tie or modern cravat?tahc chat 18:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is this Cravat any different from the [[ascot tie]] or modern cravat? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. The bulk of this discussion pertained to whether this article was the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the title "Cravat", a line of discussion that did not lead to a consensus emerging in either direction. Near the end of the RM, it was proposed that this article be merged with ascot tie; discussing that merge proposal further may be fruitful here. (non-admin closure)  ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:45, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I couldn't care less about British people.  Or American people for that matter. Wikipedia is not written for parochial audiences. That article already has a name, and its not "cravat". Whereas this has no other name but "cravat".  A dab note can address peculiar local usages of a term well enough. Walrasiad (talk) 14:56, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not how Wikipedia works. It is just happenstance that the other article is entitled "Ascot tie". It could just as easily have been entitled "Cravat". But, what we should not do is assume that the article on the old-fashioned item should be entitled using the undisambiguated term, as that implies it is the primary topic for that term, which it clearly is not. In British English, the primary topic for that term is the modern item, not the old-fashioned item. It is no more a "local usage" than Ascot is. So, in actual fact, the proposal would mean that Wikipedia is written for "parochial" (American, in this case) audiences. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:17, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  You seem a tad obsessed with Americans.  Your fight isn't here, it's over there.  The term "cravat" is actually quite an international term (French, German, etc.), and means different things in different countries.  But this is actually the perfect article for this topic, since it is talking about "cravat" in its original sense - not the "American" sense (as you mistakenly assume), but in the original French/German/Austrian sense, i.e. "the Croatian", which is the origin of all the other "cravat" derivatives.  This is actually an informative and useful article.  Please don't turn into a nationalist pissing contest.  Walrasiad (talk) 21:56, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody is turning anything into a "nationalist pissing contest", as you would know if you got off your high horse and actually bothered to read what you're commenting on. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:48, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 21 March 2023 

message: Ancient Roman "Comitatenses" troops are often depicted with necktie-like wear. 64.52.139.54 (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comitatenses, Roman uniforms?