Talk:Persib Bandung

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message: Should the article be edited to be more shorter? MbahGondrong (talk) 11:46, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC: Should it be shorter? 

message: Just because :Inter Milan and :D.C. United are owned by the same person does not mean they're affiliated. Affiliation means that they share players, staff or facilities not owners. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:08, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur Mutual ownership has not traditionally denoted affiliation; for example, the same person owns the Washington Capitals, the Washington Wizards, and the Washington Mystics, but that does not mean the teams are affiliated. Unless there is a contractual agreement amongst the teams, they are not affiliated. -- Jkudlick (talk) 13:09, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Hi, that is Affiliated,  you can search the source. Saya itu Ganteng (talk) 19:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he owns shares of multiple clubs, but without a player exchange agreement or some other contract, there is no legal affiliation amongst the teams. Nowhere in the cited article does it state that the clubs are affiliated with each other. -- Jkudlick (talk) 20:12, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ownership is not a valid affiliation 

message: It's difficult to discuss disputed material when [ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persib_Bandung&diff=632168615&oldid=632167579 editors remove the templates to discuss]. Would an admin please restore the template or revert the addition? Thank you. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:46, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Support Discussion of dubious or contentious material is necessary for proper editing. -- Jkudlick (talk) 15:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  What a cop-out. Restore the discuss template. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:59, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  There has been history of suspected sockpuppets in this article, that needs to be taken into consideration. The reverts from Saya Ganteng could be the same case. Cheers!! MbahGondrong (talk) 10:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:00, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  protected request 

message: After the latest edit-war, the page was locked and as  mentioned here, a very clear consensus must be reached so that no edit-war and blocking will happen after the lock expires. I invite , , , , , , , ,  and  to participate in this consensus and also invite other Indonesian article contributors  and . The case for this consensus is about affiliation that Persib Bandung have because of their owner Erick Thohir and affiliation with Ventforet Kofu.
First: I would like to discuss about Persib's affiliation with other Erick Thohir's club, which are Inter Milan and DC United. As seen here, here and here, I can conclude that without any formal signing of cooperation between Persib and both clubs, ownership does not mean they are automatically affiliated. Since that formal cooperation is not available, both clubs should not be affiliated in this article.
There have been a new source that mention Persib will have a TC using Inter Milan facilities in Milan. As far as I understand, any team without affiliation could also do that and that doesnt mean they are affiliated. What do the others think about this case?
Second: There is a source that stated Kofu have signed an agreement with Persib as seen here, but that is the only source available that I could find about this cooperation and as far as I know until now there havent been any realization of that agreement. Based on that, I believe that the agreement somehow have been cancelled or maybe no agreement was even signed. What are your opinion about this situation
Looking forward for all your replies to stop edit-wars in this article and start constructive editing with Wikipedia rules. I havent made any choices to pick for the consensus, as I would like to hear opinions from the others about the situation and if any questioon should arise, I would gladly try to answer. Cheers!!! MbahGondrong (talk) 22:53, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus 

message: In view of the above discussion, I would like to revise the article by deleting the Affiliated clubs.
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Please explain your reasons if you havent participated in the above discussion.
Support as nominator No prove of official affiliation with all three clubs and same ownership does not mean they are linked. MbahGondrong (talk) 16:05, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: The ISL (Indonesian Super League) result for 2014 has been decided. Persib Bandung win the title after beat Persipura Jayapura in the final. Maung Bandung able to lift the trophy after almost twenty years without domestic title.
There is no agreement about affiliation between Erick Thohir owned club, such as Internazionale Milan and DC united, with Persib Bandung. Erick Thohir owned both club, but there is no official agreement that explain relation between club as affiliated. Also, there is almost no verified information about Persib Bandung have affiliation with Ventforet Kofu.
Dune9 (talk) 02:12, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 12 November 2014 

message: Persib won the 2014 Indonesia Super League after defeated Persipura Jayapura.
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 Daud  10:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:00, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request 

message: Hi everybody, so I would to discuss about the section 'Performance in AFC competitions', the reason why I reverted it was because I felt that it was excessive and somehow violated WP:NOTSTATSBOOK (point 3) and also the reference for the section (reference 49) and the one in the 'Intercontinental competitions' (reference 48) are actually the same, you can see it if you try to open both (you dont need to understand Indonesian, just look at the structure). If anybody else think it should be included please give your reasons. Since the admin that locked this article (again) asked for a more robust discussion, I am looking forward for your inputs. Cheers!! MbahGondrong (talk) 21:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ideally, it should be listed in a season article. Since none exists, it's fine to be here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:42, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thats true, but I think users can see the results in the AFC Champions League season article itself, which is already shown in the article. MbahGondrong (talk) 15:09, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I suppose that would work as well, but why can't the information also be listed in a club-specific article? Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:27, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  As mentioned before, I felt that it was excessive and too statistical for a club article. MbahGondrong (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since the information is not lost, let's remove it then. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:01, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's completely non-intrusive and is in a format used on hundreds of other articles. Let's focus on other much more significant issues within this article rather than whether a fsmall, completely accurate table should remain. Fenix down (talk) 11:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Let the section of Performance in AFC competition still there. It is very important for a club article, not all club ever competed in  AFC competition. But if we think that its have to be deleted, then we must deleted all section of AFC competition in all club article in Asia (not only in Indonesia or Persib Bandung). Tedious work!. @NnAs (talk) 06:17, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  @, @: Yes it could be considered a special achievement but I think a simple line in the Honours section will be enough and the matches not shown, if a club participate each year in AFC Competitions it would make  a quite long list. I see that this Performance in AFC competition section in other articles, are only shown in south east asia team or south asia team articles. Back to this article, what signifant issues are we talking here? MbahGondrong (talk) 12:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performance in AFC competitions 

message: :I've removed the (incorrect) coordinates from the article. We don't usually include coordinates in an article about a football club, instead including them in the article about the club's home stadium—in this case, Jalak Harupat Soreang Stadium. Deor (talk) 13:23, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error 

message: Hi, i hope others sponsor will be added, no just shirt sponsor. Thankyou
Saya Indonesia (talk) 04:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  (e • t • c) 04:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I already edited, that's specific or no? Terimakasih 14:40, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2015 

message: continuous vandalism.
  Tommy Syahputra (talk) 10:29, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The above is an template used to request an edit to be made to a protected page. To create a request for page protection please go to WP:RPP.  —  IVORK Discuss 13:11, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request  

message: 103.247.15.74 (talk) 07:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2017 

message: Please accepted my request to editing this article IndoPeople (talk) 16:09, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Cannolis (talk) 16:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2017 

message: Thetoptens.com is unrelible. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_171#The_Top_Tens. The content is user-submitted and not fact-checked. It's a cheap way to get some pr. --Ronz (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: thetoptens.com as a source

message: Hello, everyone. So considering the massive amount of information being displayed on the club's history section, is there any possibility for a History of Persib Bandung page to be created or maybe the excessive data should just be moved into the club's season articles? I'd like to hear a reply about this.--AZet3000 (talk) 11:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any interest in making a History of Persib Bandung page? 

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