Talk:Chrissy Amphlett

message: There seems to be almost as many references who claim her birth name was "Christina Joy Amphlett" as those that claim "Christine Joy Amphlett." APRA lists her as Christina Amplett as a co-writer for 'Boys in Town'. There is also a redirect from Christina Amphlett but not from Christine Amphlett. Does anyone have her autobiography or a definitive source? FlatOut 04:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some work on the article and the Divinyls one several years ago, and from the contemporary references at the time, Amphlett seemed to be called "Christina" rather than "Chrissy", so that was the article name. At some stage it was changed to Christine in the text but the article wasn't renamed. I changed it back last month, then noticed the family statement published on the ARIA website and the ABC said "Christine Joy Amphlett", so I reverted it to Christine and moved the article to Chrissy Amphlett. I agree, there are a similar number of both variations, in equally reliable sources. I can check the autobiography tomorrow in the library to see if her full first name is mentioned, and report back here. --Canley (talk) 05:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked out Pleasure and Pain, Amphlett's autobiography, this afternoon. As far as I can see, she is referred to as "Chrissy" throughout, however one of the illustrations is a profile in a Melbourne newspaper when she was "Girl of the Week" at the age of 16, and the article refers to her as "Christine" no less than nine times. The name Christina is certainly widely used (I found that in Who's Who of Australian Women and the New York Times, for example), however when the family statement, a profile in her autobiography, the ABC, ARIA, the Sydney Morning Herald obituary all refer to "Christine", I'm a lot more comfortable with that being the name in the article—I have reverted it. --Canley (talk) 03:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy to have had it reverted. Will continue to research. cheers FlatOut 04:01, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Just some further info from the autobiography: Amphlett said the name on her birth certificate was "Christine"; her parents called her "Christina" when they were angry with her; and most people called her "Chrissy". --Canley (talk) 03:31, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! I know the three have used interchangeably so I am pleased to know what's on her birth certificate. Flat Out let's discuss it 03:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth Name

message: Has anyone ever come across of any of Chrissy's classmates that match her pretend age? Those pretend people have never come forward, the class of 1977 were never in the same class as Chrissy!
Why are you trying to propagate the lie that she was born in 1959? She was born in 1954!!! See the commenter in the Real Age section who had to collect Chrissy's driver's license renewal - it said 1954!!! Also, Divinyls formed in 1980! I'm just trying to get the facts out and you're trying to propagate nothing but lies!!! FokkerTISM 12:08, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:42. Your changes need to be referenced with reliable and verifiable sources. Sources that nobody can verify don't meet wikipedia standards. If you have a reliable, verifiable source then please share it Flat Out let's discuss it 12:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Her being in the same class as another person doesn't tell us the year she was born. Flat Out let's discuss it 14:13, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I call bullshit. As others have commented (and as stated in Pleasure and Pain), she was in an X-rated play, Let My People Come, in 1976. If she was born in 1959, she would have been 17 and therefore unable to take part (she played the lead character, Linda Lips, and wore nothing but rollers in her pussy hair and sang a song called "Cum in My Mouth"). This, combined with the fact she went to school with Denis Walter, shows that she was born in 1954. FokkerTISM 07:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I also call bullshit, on these "false age" claims. I don't normally like to pull the original research card, but this seems the very definition of that. You've pulled together some apparent facts and claims and kind of mashed them together as supposedly incontrovertible proof. In the absence of any actual verifiable evidence of the year Amphlett was born being 1954, yes, I would like to see some verification of the claims you have made above. Firstly, can you provide a reference for your claim of the year (1976) that Amphlett performed in the R-rated play Let My People Come? You offer to provide a scan of Pleasure and Pain to prove this. I have the book and there appears to be no mention of the year. The 1975–76 run of the play was in Greenwich Village, New York. When Amphlett appeared in the play, it was for a nine month run in Melbourne's Total Theatre, then three months at the Bijou Theatre in Balmain, Sydney, which this reference dates as 1979! So this would mean Chrissy would have been 19 or 20—more than old enough—and it also corresponds to the age she gives in the book that she was auditioning for stage musicals. Secondly, regarding Denis Walter's age, although unreferenced in the Wikipedia article, does appear to be verifiable on Trove in some interviews, and a Walter family tree website that I have found. This discrepancy is interesting, and worthy of further investigation. The main problem is still, however, that although it seems to indicate a discrepancy, it still does not indicate the actual year she was born. To be in the same classes as Walter—which we are all presuming meaning the same year/grade—she could have been born in a three year range from 1954 to 1956. My other concern with this evidence is that the claim about being in the same "classes" is the possibility that this could be a vague recollection that they were at the same school at the same time, or even that children of multiple ages/grades were in the same classes (quite possible in a small school). --Canley (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Provide a reliable source, we are all waiting. Flat Out let's discuss it 12:00, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Read this, taken directly from the Wikipedia page on CA: In 1976, Amphlett played the role of Linda Lips in the R-rated musical Let My People Come . FokkerTISM 21:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And in the 3AW audio, which you REFUSE to accept because it contains the TRUTH: After the 3AW jingle, Ms. Amphlett says to Denis: "Denis Walter! Good afternoon! Now you and I were in the same year, a couple of years, weren't we? FokkerTISM 21:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, OK, I concede I was wrong on the year of the musical, I apologise—the Google News archives do show that the Melbourne/Sydney runs of LMPC were in 1977. Amphlett would have been 17–18? This was the 70s, and Amphlett herself says she was performing at Chequers and so on at 15, so I don't think it's impossible she was performing in the musical slightly underaged. I completely accept that the Denis Walter claims seem to show a significant discrepancy in Amphlett's claimed age—but as FlatOut says: none of these apparent discrepancies in any way actually demonstrate what year Amphlett was born, as I said above, all these items mean it could have been a range of years. Perhaps the 1959 claim is wrong, it's certainly looking like it is, but there are actually two references (the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and Rolling Stone magazine) which specifically state this date (additionally, a statement from her family also said "(1959–2013)". There seems to be no reliable source for 1954 (or 1955, 1956, etc.), I would love to see one and would change it myself if there was something solid. Even a primary source (birth certificate, electoral roll, Belmont High year book, the drivers licence renewal mentioned above?) would be ideal to prove it at this stage. The Wikipedia standard is verifiability, not truth, so that "truth" needs to be verifiable by others. Stringing together a few discrepancies and errors in statements made by Amphlett regarding her age is nowhere near a verifiable reference. --Canley (talk) 23:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

text: If you can read that, it is because it is your account. Flat Out let's discuss it 08:44, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Seriously, if this "real age" thing is such an obvious lie and decades-old conspiracy, why can't anyone provide any contemporary, dated, verifiable evidence? That photo is undated—even the poster doesn't assert it is from 1973 or that she is 18. --Canley (talk) 22:50, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chrissy's real age 

message: she was of irish and german jewish descent  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:191:5FA0:20E1:E1CB:3FC6:1C0C (talk) 07:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Going back at least 3 or 4 generations. 2406:3400:313:7C0:350E:F32E:1334:FF70 (talk) 22:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE OF german descent false  

message: Chrissy was around long before 1980,and this she makes reference to in her book Pleasure and Pain . Chrissy was in bands from the age of 14 (1968), Recorded songs in the early 1970's including Superstar and this she makes reference to in her book Pleasure and Pain, The band she was in at 17 in 1971 supported Zoot and this she makes reference to in her book Pleasure and Pain. Studio backing singer from around 1971 with numerous artists. Performed in Let My People Come in 1976 at the age of 22 and this she makes reference to in her book Pleasure and Pain. Yes she was in the original running in Melbourne of Let My People Come which premiered in 1976 at The Total Theatre in Melbourne, and this she makes reference to in her book Pleasure and Pain.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.37.22 (talk) 19:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  She was around long before 1980