Talk:Peter Daicos

message: Seems to link from a lot of pages, so there is potential, FWIW. Turnstep 04:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch, I hadn't noticed that. I've moved it to Prod to give the author a chance to fill it in. Gwernol 04:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

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message: I have removed the "ethnicity" portion as it has NO SOURCES and is a sensitive subject. Whether he is Greek or ethnic Macedonian will be placed once a reliable source is found, ok? Mactruth (talk) 01:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets be constructive and USE SOURCES include them by using the followin: < r e f > s o u r c e < / r e f > but without spaces Mactruth (talk) 02:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You guys think he maybe part Greek part ethnic Macedonian? In Peter,Hill. (1989) The Macedonians in Australia, Hesperian Press, Carlisle, pp.132 it states he is ethnic Macedonian. Mactruth (talk) 02:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "In 2002 he made the AFL Greek Team of the Century". From the Greek Team of the Century article "The criteria was that any Greek blood(sic) whatsoever constituted eligibility for the team." So yes, it seems that he is partly Greek, at least. I suggest the whole ethnicity debate be dropped (elegant wording always helps).  3rdAlcove (talk) 03:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is the conclusion I am coming too, maybe the names/origins of his parents would reveal the answer Mactruth (talk) 04:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that by removing the "Ethnicity Debate" portion from the text you really did not understand the scope of placing it.
I will develop why I wrote that text. 
1.- Daicos parents came from Florina, a city in now-a-days Greece, but with a seizable portion of Slavs. 
2.-The only certain fact is that they came from Greece, and immigrtaed to Australia with Greek passport. They are billigual in Slavika and Greek and belong to the Greek Orthodox Chruch. This is the reason why the redirections would help the reader to understand better the situation, not just about Peter´s ethnicity but in fact about a problem wider than this. 
3.- He always refered himself plainly as a "Macedonian". Not Greek Macedonian, Slav Macedonian, "Filobulgarian" Macedonian, Albanian Macedonian, Vlach Macedonian or whatever admixture this region may have. 4.- He has never refered himself as a person with descent of the Republic of Macedonia (or the Former Yugoslavian ...blablabla ...)just because this state gained independence in the early 90's, plus the city/region where his ancestors were born do not belong to this newly formed state.
5.- The fact of accepting the vice-captaincy of this "Greek Team of the Century" does not imply he is accepting being of "Hellenic" roots, justa that he he has "Greek" descent, because his parents are "Greeks".
6.- If his ancestors were Greeks slavicized or Slavs Hellenized is a fact we will never know. Their familyname was Daicoff (or Daicov) and after the Balkanic Wars apparently was changed to Daicos, but surnames are not a base for establishing ethnicity. Nor is language (or religion)
7.- The Greek State considers "Slavophone Greeks" to be people of ancient "Hellenic" descent who fell under Slavic cultural influence, the same way The Republic of Macedonia considers "Aegean Macedonians" to be Slavs that fell under Greek influence.
8.- I think that the most important thing is that for showing a strong attach to the Macedonia region and not to any state in particular, Peter is seen as a "traitor" for radical nationalist Greek fellows and as a "Hellenizing" apostate for Slavic radicals.
Let us leave the paragraph, it harms no one, it honours Peter´s convictions and brings peace to a useless debate. I think this is constructive since what I highlight is the non sense of such discussion.
Periptero (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: What debate? Things are pretty calm around here, at the moment. Your synthesis, though its intentions are honorable, can't be accepted here. Please, users just have to show good will. 3rdAlcove (talk) 19:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: What you say is probably true, but it looks like original research and/or a biography of living persons violation. BalkanFever 04:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: Chap, just cool your jets.- Read first.- It is not a war between you and me, neither between Greeks and Slav "Macedonians".- Alright ? The scope of the article is to highlight Peter's greatness in sport. Else the "ethnicity" chapter will surely be erased.- 
I am not against your "Macedonian" pride, nor against your right to exist as a country or nation, even tough I personally consider Macedonia as a whole and Greek, and Alexander the Great as a Greek hero, and Ancient Macedonians as Greeks (at least partially) and I do not like the former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia named as "Republic of Macedonia" (I would certainly prefer Vardarska).  But my feelings or beliefs have nothing to do with writing an article about a sportsman for an encyclopedia. 
Peter Daicos is certainly an Aegean Macedonian, a Slavophone one. Coming form Vevi -otherwise called Banitsa- he certainly has Bulgarian blood (in fact it is said his true familyname is Daicov). I am not saying he is of Hellenic stock. I am sure that he accepted being named in the Greek Team of the Century just as he stated: "to honour the sacrifices his parents made". Those same parents that immigrated from GREECE to Australia with GREEK passport, just because of the simple fact that their homeland lies within GREEK borders, and they were GREEK citizens (although not "Hellenic"). Modern Greece as a country and nation is made up from different peoples, else than Hellenes, who contributed to her development (Arvanites, Slavs, Vlachs, Gypsies and many others)
In the case of Peter Daicos, his only links with Greece are the ones stated above but his ethnic affiliation is at least Slavic in context. One thing is to have Greek heritage or belong to a Greek background (in a geographical / political /cultural context), other thing is to be "Ethnic Greek", that is to say to have Hellenic blood in your veins, to be a "Hellene" (Έλληνας).    
Regarding what Hellenes consider about being "Ethnic Greek", it means something else. A person no matter how much admixture of other ethnic backgrounds he might have, or where he was born, if he posseses at least one ancestor having Hellenic blood, is considered to belong to Greek (Hellenic) ethnicity. Maybe, he cannot even qualify for Greek citizenship, because there are no official documents that prove it, but culturally the other fellow Έλληνες will make you fell one of them with pride. 
I do not know if other ethnicities share this same point of view or not. I personally belong to a very mixed family (Italians, French, Albanians and Hellenic Greeks) and I was born abroad in America like my parents. Only one grandfather of mine was Greek-born. I still hold Greek passport, served myself in the Greek army, and I am a Greek citizen "by birth" according to Greek laws.- Periptero (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanations to [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] 

message: Vandalism has been occuring repeatedly in the article, in which Periptero and other Greek "authors" delete or try to hide information from the audience:
1) In Line 41, in regards to the Greek Century team it is constantly changed to include "reserved for players having full or partial Greek heritage", even though it is stated later on in the section "ethnicity." This imposes a connection between joining the team and being exclusively Greek, an argument Greeks are trying to subtly imply.
2) In the section "ethnicity" it is changed to state "The matter of Daicos' ethnicity is debated between Slavophone Greeks and Aegean Macedonians." This implies confusion to the reader since Aegean Macedonians are a subgroup of ethnic Macedonians but are also a subgroup of Slavophone Greek (Slavophone by discrimination [unable to call themselves Macedonians]and Greek by citizenship). The most simplistic statement that would identify which ETHNICITY, and not subgroups, are debating should be "The matter of Daicos' ethnicity is debated between Greeks and ethnic Macedonians"
3) In the section "ethnicity" it is stated "The only certain fact is that his parents are immigrants from the village of Vevi, near Florina in now-a-days Greece; who are bilingual in Greek and Slavic Language." This is pure hidden agenda, using weasel words as "only certain" to imply all other statements are fugue in truth. Also, I have used Peter Daicos' autobiography written by himself which describe much more facts, such as the fact that he identifies himself ethnicity as Macedonian, and speaks the language Macedonian ("I am of Macedonian background" and "I speak Macedonian at home, not Greek"), but this are being hidden (see 4)
4) In the section "ethnicity", Peter Daicos' autobiography is only used as a source for "Although Peter defines himself as Macedonian", in which no ethnic marker can be verified and afterward his football Greek team is again connected to his ethnicity by stating, "he accepted to be named vice-captain of the Greek Team of the Century to honour the sacrifices that my parents made" in a subtle way trying to connect both of his parents with being Greek.
Again, this "exclusive" agenda cannot be used based on just the football team, find more facts before twisting words, current facts and statements. Mactruth (talk) 01:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Repeated Vandalism 

message: 1) Greek AFL Team of the Century is indeed "reserved for players having full or partial Greek heritage". I repeat: Modern Greece as a country is made up from different people, else than Hellenes, who contributed to her development (Arvanites, Slavs, Vlachs, Romaniotes, Gypsies and many others) therefore they have GREEK heritage just for the fact they hail from GREECE. It does not necessary mean to be from HELLENIC race or stock. In this sence, Peter Daicos - coming from a family originating in GREECE- perfectly qualifies for the team. 
* REPLY: "full or partial Greek heritage" could mean "Greek ethnicity" or "Greek citizenship". The fact that he was in the Greek AFL Team is being distorted by the Greeks to prove he is Greek by ethnicity. Mactruth (talk) 01:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Answers to accusations 

message: I assume that the book stated by "sensitive" users might be this one:
Daicos : Collingwood and me / by Peter Daicos with Jake Niall
Kilmore, Vic. : Floradale Productions, 1991.  
It is written and compiled by sports journo Jake Niall (not Naill as provided). A page source should be a must.
(Periptero (talk) 00:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Book

message: Along with his parents, Peter Daicos was in attendance at the speech delivered at the Hilton Hotel by Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski on 28th October 2009.
Yet another link (if any were indeed needed) that Daicos identifies as an ethnic Macedonian and not a Greek.
All this is bunk, as the man himself in his biography states unequivocally that he speaks Macedonian and that he is Macedonian and that his parents are from teh village of "Banica"...deliberately avoiding using the Greek government imposed name of teh village of "Vevi".
It seems that "periptero" is engaging in a futile propaganda campaign in an attempt to muddy the otherwise clear waters.
Daicos has repeatedly stated in writing, in television interviews and in private conversation that he is Macedonian (ie: non-Greek variety).
Enough said.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.128.20 (talk) 12:57, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  PETER DAICOS ATTENDED SPEECH GIVEN BY MACEDONIAN PRIME MINISTER GRUEVSKI 

message: Substituted at 02:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment