Talk:Malays (ethnic group)

message: The section "Origins" needs to be rewritten. The concept of Proto-Malays and Deutero-Malays is outdated in modern anthropology, although I am aware that still is floating around in textbooks in Indonesia and Malaysia. These terms were not employed in connection with the Malay ethnic group in the "narrow" sense (the topic of this article), but for the concept of a "Malay race" (with Malays in the "narrow" sense being "Deutero-Malays"). Many of the sources cited in this section do not subscribe to this obsolete terminology at all, so there is a lot of synth involved. Further, Out-of-Sundaland is a minority position and is given undue weight in this section. I hope regular contributors to this page can help to present a view on Malay origins according to the state of the art in anthropology and related disciplines. I don't want to do it single-handed (aware of my linguist's POV), so hopefully we can improve this in a collective effort. –Austronesier (talk) 21:13, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the suggestion Austronesier, yes, I agree that the section needs a major write-up. Though I'm not really sure where to begin with.--د بڠساون (talk) 00:30, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: It is obvious, to me at least (I am Filipino), that the author(s) of this article deliberately excluded the Philippines from discussion. Remember "MaPhilIndo"? It stands for Malaysia, the Philippines and Indonesia, and emphasizes the fundamental similarities among the three nations (just like "BeNeLux"). May I also remind the authors that the Philippines' national hero, Dr. Jose Rizal, has long been regarded as "The Pride of the Malay Race." There is another article here in Wikipedia titled "Malay Race", and in that article, the Philippines is included in the discussion. In this article, titled simply (and may I say, deceptively) "Malay", the subject is actually "Malay Ethnic Group". The author(s) here seem(s) to be making a distinction between 'Malay ethnic group' and 'Malay race'. I am not an expert on ethnology or ethno-anthropology, but I have never encountered any respectable reading (and I am an old man) that made such a distinction. If the paradigms have recently changed, then please give us a definition of each ('ethnic group' and 'race' in general) so we may be edified. If you cannot give us any sensible definitions that clearly distinguish between the two concepts, then I vigorously recommend that the Philippine Malays be included for discussion in this article. Otherwise this article will prove itself to be quite biased, highly inaccurate, deceptive (by omission), and thus not worthy of being published in Wikipedia. Please do take my suggestion seriously. Vmreyes 020859 (talk) 15:16, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippine (Filipino) Malays 

message: against INFOBOXPURPOSE, the infobox now contains several unsourced notes, which should have a counterpart in the main article first before being reflected in a bird's-eye view summary of key facts (= infobox). While they are WP:BLUESKY for us who are familiar with the terminological issues, they need to be verifiable for readers from outside of the area (even Filipinos, who live the same geographical region, are generally not aware of these intricacies). This also includes the exemplary figure of 60% of Javanese descendants counted as "Malays" in Singapore.
Maybe a dedicated section "Distribution" will help. Austronesier (talk) 10:54, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it's WP:OTHERCONTENT, but other ethnic pages also have notes on its infobox, such as Koreans and Javanese people. Also, MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE states . IMO such notes can be considered as an exception as mentioned before. However, it'll better if we can add reference for the notes so it won't be "unsourced notes". Ckfasdf (talk) 08:53, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material in the infobox