Talk:List of Hollows in Bleach/Archive 1

message: The purpose for the existance of this article is seperate from that of Hollow (Bleach). This page is a fork, due to excessive length, from Characters in Bleach series (hence the name formulation). --tjstrf 15:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? No. 

message: Not only is this page getting stupidley long, but its also messy and difficult to read. So what if some of the Espada are dead? They should still have their own pages since they have pretty big roles. They are no different to the lieutenants having individual pages (with even less info.)Jwilso72 13:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh well something to do with WP:FICT. The REAL argument is going down at Talk:List of Bleach characters.--Hanaichi 13:56, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whats with all the merging? 

message: Was there any indication that Nell was a female? I think I have missed it. Please elaborate. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 00:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the way that he speaks can go either way or something like that. Though, the brother thing proves that he's a guy (and the fact that pretty much no shonen author will ever make an androgynous character a female.) Nemu 00:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, if anyone can't find proof that shows that Nell is female I will change it back to the proper wording soon, just can't do it now.Tensa Zangetsu 19:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's on the 8th page of 246, where they used the term "兄妹" (both Ichigo and the hollows) multiple time (兄妹 【きょうだい(ik); けいまい】 (n) older brother and younger sister ). here's the raw: Ch. 246, P.8 Finestela 14:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Sigh, here we go again :) While it is true that all Privaron Espada are former Espada, it isn't necessarily true that all former Espada are Privaron Espada. So your statement isn't correct. Privaron Espada have to have three digit number otherwise they aren't part of the Privaron Espada, it's as simple as that. Nell didn't know the three-digit-system at all, and above that Doldooni didn't recognize her. This could lead to the conclusion that she wasn't part of the whole pre-hougyokou espada generation. That's the reason why she's placed under the Espada. But I think it's debatable whether she really belongs there or not since she clearly doesn't belong to the current Espada anymore. The same could be said about Luppi but since he died while still being an Espada-member, I think it's justified to have him there. Nell at the other hand is still alive and isn't part of the Espada anymore.. I guess she actually belongs in the "Others" section or in a new "ex-Espada"-section or something. Just my opinion Twsl 15:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My point exactly, Privaron Espada or not, she doesn't belong in the Espada section as she is currently not an Espada. Wikipedia is all messy. And why are people being so persistent about Cirucci being killed off by the Exequias when it wasn't shown at all, for all we know they could have taken her with them for healing or somewhat. She could still prove to be a valuable asset to them even if Ishida made her powerless; also killing off fellow arrancar doesn't seem to go in their line of duty, ...when as far as I remember, Dordonii engaged them, and there were whole other circumstances. Just my opinion about something out of context here... "...here we go again?"
Unless Nell resumes her role as an Espada at some point, she shouldn't be listed under the Espada heading at all. Remember, fiction is in the eternal present tense. You go under that heading only if you are an active Espada at some point in the series timeline, and then you stay in the listing forever. Luppi dying doesn't change that he is a member, and similarly if Grimmjow were to leave the Espada he would still be listed under the heading, just with a (defected) after his name. --tjstrf talk 00:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nell Tu's gender 

message: In Dordonii's cover his name is actually stated as Dordonie, shou;dn't this change be made? —The preceding -Raf
:: There's no E in the name. Look closely... there has to be two I's.  -- kangarugh22 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kangarugh22 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  How about Arronio Alulueri? the katakana for Arrunio spells 'A-roni-ro'.--Chemicalist 09:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper Names 

message: Why is the Exequias section under Former Espada? I highly doubt everyone one of them was part of the Espada. They seem more like a group of less powerful Arrancar that were put into a group as an assassination squad. 
Also, was it confirmed that Jovenzuelo is the actual name of the bull-head Exequias leader? I just assumed Dordonii was name-calling like he does with Ichigo (niño). Kangarugh22 13:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exequias 

message: About him - he seems to be described here twice - both in 1) Known hollows and in 2.5) Others. Is it done on purpose?
:Someone put him in Other Arrancar without noticing that he was already listed as a Known Hollow. Pesshe is not an Arrancar so I deleted the new entry yesterday. Kangarugh22 01:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pesshe 

message: I have just now noticed that Il Forte's name is Iiruforuto, which would probably be better written as Ilfort. That is unless the Spanish forte is pronounced like the English fort. If not, then the name should be changed to Il Fort or Ilfort. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "forte" in Spanish is pronounced "fortay" so I'm not sure why that romanization was made up for him. Someone made it up and it stuck... for a loooong time. Who knows what his name really is supposed to be... Kangarugh22 22:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Il Forte's name 

message: I really wish people wouldn't do that. I know I was the one to add Gantenbein before the chapter came out, but just a simple name isn't a spoiler. I just looked today and saw some spoiler about the poleface Espada looking like Shiba Kaien. I really would've like to see that for myself when the chapter came out tomorrow/Friday. Thanks. Kangarugh22 21:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded.  I'm not sure how you'd enforce this though: lack of spoiler tags is the basic problem that wikipedia's rules address.  Simply asking that someone not post information at all, however, I don't think there is any rule covering.Plunge 18:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are spoiler warning tags for a reason. As WP:SPOILER says "Not all visitors will recognize the nature of Wikipedia, which strives first to inform, spoilers or not." Basically it is not Wikipedia's fault if you read a spoiler and you were warned in the second line of text in the article. As for asking that information not be stated, that seems to be related to this thing that we shouldn't do: "Deleting relevant, neutral and verifiable information about a narrative work from Wikipedia "because it's a spoiler" instead of properly applying spoiler templates." Anyway the spoiler tag is there, I just wish they had made them bigger and more noticeable (I've been spoiled myself). Gdo01 18:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the big thing here is that people were adding that Arronio was Kaien like 2 days before the chapter ever came out. We all know that Wikipedia has spoilers... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kangarugh22 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shonen Jump is released on Mondays, the first mention of the 9th espada was two days ago . That would be Tuesday in the USA. Anything posted after Monday could technically be from a Japanese fan reading the raw. Gdo01 22:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's released on Mondays, but we get it early. This Shounen Jump issue with Bleach 262, Naruto 341, D. Gray-man 107, etc. is not being released in Japan until this coming Monday, the 12th. We get leaked pictures, many times poor-quality camera phone shots of of the key pages, sometimes up to a week before it's on shelves in Japan. Usually by the Thursday before release we get a proper scan of many of the manga out of Shounen Jump. All I'm proposing is that we don't allow major spoilers posted on Wikipedia until we at least get the full chapter scans and not cam-shot spoilers. I know this chapter would've been a lot more exciting for me if I hadn't been spoiled about Kaien.Kangarugh22 01:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really fail to see any rationale for the rule you want other than "they spoiled Kaien for me." The only true concerns here are WP:V which is not violated since these are straight from the source. If the manga scans were fake or were fake scripts like the Chad's grandfather thing, then there is reason to hold back that information since it could be potentially fake. You, on the other hand, are saying we should hold back verifiable, real scans of the real Bleach manga. What does it matter that it is poor quality as long as it has verifiable facts that should not be held back just because someone was spoiled? Fact is fact, the release doesn't matter unless it is text that could be potentially incorrect or Kubo himself requesting that info not be released early. Gdo01 01:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The obvious solution is to not read the Wikipedia articles until you are sure you have the latest chapter. --tjstrf talk 07:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've learned not to look at Bleach articles in the period between the RAW and M7's release for just this reason. –Gunslinger47 07:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding HUGE SPOILERS before the chapters come out.... 

message: Well, Mr. Kubo has blessed us yet again with a gender-confused arrancar. I don't suppose anybody can confirm his/her gender?
:I really can't see what is so confusing about him. He IS a man, doesn't matter how I look at him. And not even an effeminate man, maybe just a young (with a kind look) man. - Access Timeco 21:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: definately a dude IMO, he looks a litte queer but i have no doubt it's a guy. --Grimjaw 06:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesla's Gender? 

message: Didn't he remove his mask like ichigo has done many times during the series and the Vizards. He also was aready a Shinigami mixed witha hollow but remains mostly dominate over his hollow similar to ichigo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.215.27.134 (talk) 03:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kaien is different in that he is a shinigami inhabiting the body of a hollow. Strictly he is still a hollow just that Kaien is the dominant personality in the hollow. Kaien is no longer a shinigami, he stated that his body was deteriorating so only the hollow made it back to Hueco Mundo. I won't say that he is definitely an arrancar but he is definitely not a vizard.Gdo01 03:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Untill it is actually confirmed in the story, that Arroniro is indeed what he said he is (Kaien/Parasitic-Hollow Hybrid), we should simply treat him like how Kubo showcased him: an Espada.  Another issue I have with the current article is the wording ("he is" instead of "he claims"), as we have no way to know if he's telling the truth. --Finestela 22:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: kaien has wierd traits cuz he's a very piss poor arrancar. he's one of aizens first attempts, and he used a really strange method. bottom line is he's considered a half-assed arrancar not a vizard. in all honesty i'm pretty sure the mask he took off isn't even a hollow mask, more like a regular mask u would wear at halloween. none the less i must admit he seems more his own species then anything, given his unorthodox creation. unless it says he's something else we have no reason to suspect he isn't just a fucked up version of arrancar. --Grimjaw 06:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: does it really matter on how he got the powers. just because he didn't get it the same way ichigo got them doesn't mean that is how everyone got hollow powers, the other vizards didn't get it the same way because they alrady had were shinigami. and Arroniro not Consciously wating to gain hollow powers are also does't make a difference.
actually it DOES matter, look at the privaron espada they became arrancar by non-aizen assisted methods and were vastly inferior to the ones created by aizen. how he got his powers matters in this case because it makes him totally unlike a vizard, and yet totally unlike an arrancar as well...like i said, it pretty well makes him his own species. regardless he's part of aizens arrancar army, he was an attempt to make an arrancar; so unless they suddenly say he is not an arracar...he's a fucking arrancar lol, accept it. --Grimjaw 00:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why is Arroniro Arleri considered an Arrancar? 

message: What chapter does he appear in Seth103
:first appearance is at the table with everyone else in ch. 244, we learn his name later tho don't know the exact chapter. its right about when ichigo beat down doldoni or wtf his name is --147.26.232.133 19:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: why? they've been seen for two seconds. edorad got 5 chapters and he doesn't have an image... --Grimjaw 19:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: what do you mean? what are you looking for lolly and menoly? edorad? i have no idea when lolly and menoly show up chapter wise. i don't memorize that kind of shit. i do have some good segments of manga on my harddrive so edorad shows up around 198 and dies in 206. 5-6 chapters of which was nothing but him vs ikkaku. all those two chicks did was say hi this is my name *scene change*. if we put a pic for all the numeros this thing will be nothing but pics after awhile. i don't even know why the privaron get images quite frankly. --Grimjaw 22:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zaera-polo 

message: I was wondering if it was possible that he wears that mask to prevent people to see his true face. And then when he takes the mask off, he takes the form of a person that the person thinks of dearly. Then somehow he uses those memories to shape his form, Possible? (ReshenKusaga 04:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't a general forum; WP:TALK. Gdo01 04:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arroniro Arleri 

message: Exactly where did the 'pre-arrancar' picture come from? I don't remember seeing it in the anime. MoChan 01:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: thats cuz it wasn't...chapter 25 of the manga: droy, and iceringer rip off grandfishers mask after he loses to ichigo. --Grimjaw 05:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I thought....it looked like an anime picture, but meh. MoChan 22:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That picture wasn't in the manga either. // DecaimientoPoético 00:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in chapter 25 as mentioned above. I'm thinking the picture here is from the special episode of the GF fight that leaves out the filler. Nemu 00:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If what Nemu mentioned is the Jump Festa episode, the pre-arrancar picture wasn't there either. Anyway, since the picture is accurate to what is shown in the manga, even if it wasn't actually in the manga, I believe it's alright for it to be there.--Chemicalist 03:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming we know who drew and/or colored it, hence the original question. –Gunslinger47 03:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi! It was me who posted the image. The "pre-arrancar" screenshot came from the opening of Heat the Soul (the first) for PSP. - Access Timeco 17:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Fisher pic 

message: Did iceringer and demora appear before lolly and menoly.
:iceringer showed up in chapter 25, him and d-roy are the first arrancar we ever see. even before we know what they are...as to whether or not lolly and menoly showed up before demora i have no idea. --Grimjaw 19:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iceringer 

message: So...
*SuTa-Ku
*HaRiBeRu
*RiRiNeTo
I go with Lilinett (double T 'cause of the little tsu before To) and Halibell, but no idea to SuTa-Ku... I don't like Stark 'cause is so... english! Ok, Yammy too. Maybe Staaq? - Access Timeco 20:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the Arrancar's theme, wouldn't Stark's non-Japanese sound actually support that being the name? Best to just pick something likely and wait for a cover page, really. --tjstrf talk 21:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hariberu sounds a lot like Halle Berry to me... lol. I looked her up on the Japanese Wikipedia and they spell her name Haru Berii, though, which doesn't give the right sound.. whatever. Anyway!, I'd go with Halibell, Stark, and Lilinet. Two T's at the end of Lilinet doesn't really make a lot of sense since "tto" at the end of a Japanese word is usually for English words that end in T. Kangarugh22 21:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New names romanization 

message: Is it possible that Lilinette's design is based off of Midna from The Legend of Zelda?  Her mask seems to be very close in, what with the one eye, and the horns, and her clothing has the same pattern as Midna's fur.   Also their personalities seem a bit close. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.150.236.222 (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Short answer: No. Long answer: It doesn't matter because we are not allowed to insert speculation into articles regardless of their truth or untruth. --tjstrf talk  19:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lilinette's design. 

message: Basically, do we think he's worth adding?  On the one hand, he's a filler character, but he does seem to have a reasonable degree of weight in the story to at least get a mention.  And if so, should he be placed under the Numeros category?  Other? - SilverBelial 00:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the canon/filler arguement makes a difference. As long as we can add him without making his discription solely a plot summary and a small paragraph on our lack of information on his zanpakuto, or even wander into WP:CRUFT territory, he should by all means be added. // DecaimientoPoético 00:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patros? 

message: Episode 137 will be the last filler, so can anyone get an anime picture of Luppi and Margera when 138 and 139 is out? -Hartebeest
::Hi, would you be so kind to use the  ~~~~ to sign your posts? It's more easy to see who posts what instead of going to the history each time. Also, I could take the anime pictures for you. But I suppose it isn't for this page right? Aren't you talking about the seperate character pages?   -Twsl 10:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Pictures? 

message: I just checked ANN and it seems the two arrancarr with Pratos are named Menic and Arcdagger..but I can't tell which one is which...
RedEyesMetal 18:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Menice and ArcDagger... 

message: While I feel "the filler Arrancar" deserves to be mentioned, there's a difference between this case and the one with the Exequias leader. With the Exequias leader, there's only one and you can clearly differentiate him from the rest of the Exequias; with unamed arrancar, however, it's not as easy to pull off such a thing. There are more than one filler arrancar, and a hell of a lot more unamed arrancar in general. I won't remove him for now, and instead try and add on to his descrition.
As for the minor hollows, we shouldn't be adding them to the list solely because they have a name. Hexapodus has one sentence to his decription (exclduing the note about his purifaction), and the only real reason I can think of as to why he's on the list is because he has a name. According to Wikipedia:Notability, articles should cover notable information, not providing excessive fan service. // DecaimientoPoético 17:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The filer Arrancar" and minor hollows 

message: Why has Yammy's picture been removed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.220.116 (talk) 13:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And what happened to the rest of his information? Big red01027 21:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yammy 

message: Why do some of the espada have their own page but other's don't?  I know that Arorino (I don't have the page open, excuse the spelling) used to have his own page, but now he doesn't.  I can understand the espada that have only been very  briefly shown, but I think a major character that was involved with [Spoiler]'s possible death deserves his own page.  SoulReaverDan 23:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The four Espada who currently have articles are allowed such a privilege because they're active at the moment. It seems possible that they, or at least Nnoitra and Szayel, will be merged when their part is finished. As for Aaroniero, he's only around for about four chapters, so there really isn't an article's worth that can be said about him. ~SnapperTo 03:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since is very unlikely Nnoitra or Szayel will recieve any real relevance soon, even if they survive their fights, I agree with merge their articles now (yeah, I know this is being discussed on "characters in bleach", but it seems more efficient this way). Among the Arrancar/Hollow, only Ulquiorra and Grimmjow, so far, had enough to be granted their own articles. - Access Timeco 02:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not after their respective fights and see whether they die or not then we merge their pages. The world isn't ending today, and there is plenty of time to wait for awhile until their part is played. Access, what do you mean very unlikely? Nnoitra is in the middle of fighting with Ichigo, and Szayel just released his zanpakuto. If I remember correctly, the last time we saw an Espada released his zanpakuto was Grimmjow, and that itself took 4 chapters or so.--Hanaichi 02:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean that have a long fight is not enough to grant you an article. Aaroniero had one, and I think we all agree he doesn't have enough material to justify an own article. And, if, in the future, Nnoitra get enough relevance to deserve one (I don't doubt he will), his article will not be deleted, just inactivated. We'll just have to undo the redirect edit and it will be back, is not like all the work in the article will be lost if we merge it. - Access Timeco 14:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Szayel has more info than Ulquiorra, c'mon, Ulquiorra played a small part in Yammy&Ulquiorra vs Yoruichi&Urahara, and Ulquiorra vs Ichigo took 2 chapters, but Szayel vs Ishida&Renji first part took 3 chapters. Both of them got their numbers revealed, both got their last name revealed, but only Szayel released his zanpakuto and revealed his zanpakuto name. We've got more than enough info about his fraccions, while Ulq has none known. I know he appeared earlier, but spending some private time with Orihime doesn't make Ulquiorra the main character.!!!!Hartebeest 04:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They really all should be merged except for Grimmjow, who has received a significant amount of backstory and coverage. As for now, let's wait until the fights wind down before doing anything. And Hartebeest, I reverted your initial post because it was a blatant personal attack. Be civil to other editors. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, didn't I already changed it and apologized? You've made your point. Hartebeest 05:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So its generally agreed, we wait until their battles are over.--Hanaichi 05:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: What about Ulquiorra then? He has less information than Szayel. Hartebeest 02:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who knows, alot more could come, like what happened to Grimmjow. No need to be in a rush.--Hanaichi 10:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Szayel is not that relevant, although. Ulquiorra maybe has less info concerning his fighting abilities (something that can be explained in just one paragraph, so it doesn't make so much difference), but his appearances are always important to the development of the main story. - Access Timeco 15:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I said, its generally agreed that we wait until their parts are over then merge them. I have a feeling alot more about Ulquiorra is going to be revealed in the future.--Hanaichi 02:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nel Tu should have her own page because her entire name, significant backstory and zanpaktou release have been shown---- 86.158.198.105 (talk) 18:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Own Page 

message: Should we add a new image of Luppi from the anime? I think we should but tell me your opinion.
:Well, anime picture is always better, but people would need time to get it.--Hanaichi 13:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yup i think we should as well. i think it would be great if eventually, all images would be anime pictures for consistency. if it's not possible, well too bad i guess =D Twsl 20:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't I already talked about it? EDIT: So it's generally agreed, we'll try. Hartebeest 05:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: yah, we should. but i don't think this episode can give us a good picture of him. but you're more than welcome to prove me wrong xD Twsl 16:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Truu, nobody would wanna see a naked arrancar, think there would be a few good image for Luppi in the next episode. Hartebeest 21:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added one. See :Image:WonderwiceAnime.jpg. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest leaving the manga image for Wonderweiss. It's the more official character design, in color, and doesn't look like it was drawn in marker by a 12 year old. --tjstrf talk 04:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have always disliked the images taken from the color spreads, as there is always significant clutter in the background, especially in the case of that image. If that image could be cleaned up, then I wouldn't mind putting it back. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should wait for next weeks Bleach episode for a better view of Wonderwice, other than the half naked one or the kiddish odd picture.--Hanaichi 12:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Think we should trash :Image:Espada-group.jpg soon, and add images for individual Espadas (Stark, Halibel, and Unnamed), because the group image only show part of their face and when I first look at it (May 2007, when I catch up with manga), I was like WTF! -- Hartebeest 02:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to do something similar when I first came here but someguy8309 (or something) kept reverting back saying this page isn't a gallery :( so maybe we can find a good grouppicture of the espada? Twsl 15:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as you probably haven't read WP:NFCC, you probably haven't noticed that articals or sections which doesn't have enough information can't get a image. The Espada group image is far by the best GROUP image we can get, unless you want the ultra blur one from the anime opening. Stop complaining, there is something called fair use and what you are trying to do isn't exactly fair. You guys are breaching the fair use copyright bla bla bla thing so its either no individual picture per section, or deletion of our article. Live with it.--Hanaichi 04:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all it's articles, not articals. Secondly, who's complaining? Did I miss something? Why are you mumbling about fair use? Do you hear me saying that we have to place pics for each person? No, so don't be saying "you guys are breaching the fair use". Next time read very carefully what a person says otherwise don't post at all understood? Ontopic: When I find a better pic of the espada as a group , I will replace the current one. Twsl 10:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically the guideline is to use as few images as possible except where there is significant discussion of the image itself. Since we know nothing about the characters that don't already have their own images, so we can't discuss them enough to put any. --tjstrf talk 10:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if it's really in the rules to use as few images as possible, I think there are a few images that we can replace. For example, in the newest episode of bleach (the espada invasion) we see a groupshot of Grimmjow, Yami, Wonderweiss and Luppi. Besides that there are also seperate pics of for example Yami and Luppi together. Just a suggestion. If anyone is against this please do tell :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twsl (talk • contribs) 11:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, leave it as is. The rule is to use as few unimportant pictures as possible, they still have to be usable though. Group shots of characters with no particular attachment to each other does not fall under that category. --tjstrf talk 11:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, got it. Twsl 12:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I still prefer colored images from manga, since they depict the character as the creator imagines (the anime is somehow different since is not him who is drawing). But, well, whatever. I was thinking, since we have an "Espada" image, shouldn't we delete the Yammy one (since he already appear on the first)? Aaroniero is ok because the first image doesn't show his face. - Access Timeco 15:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And Luppi? EDIT: and we should trash the group image sooner or later, when Stark, Halibel, and the 2 unnamed arrancar gets enough information. Hartebeest 15:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Luppi is not in that image. And don't trash the Espada one u.u it is just SOOOOO much better than the crap anime material :( and it also works on the Hollow (Bleach) article. - Access Timeco 16:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The only time that image is going to go is when the anime reaches the Espada meeting during the Hueco Mundo arc, when all ten Espada are in a single picture. And only if that picture is half-decent. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 00:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An image for the Arrancar 

message: While I was reading the previous topic, I was wondering, is there ever decided to use only released or only non-released pictures to illustrate the members of the Espada? Somebody recently changed the picture of Luppi to a released version. I actually think that the non-released version of the Espada can hold some relevance as well. In Luppi's case he doesn't change that much, but (for example) Aaroniro does.  The current article consists of released/non-released arrancar mixed together (well actually Luppi is the only one in a released state). Question 1: could we change that to just one type for the consistency? Question 2: Could we "merge" two pictures together like the Grandfisher picture? I'd prefer a merge. Of course this doesn't apply for all the arrancar, but just the Espada that have an own picture at the moment. The "gillian 5" etc. should be left alone since they're minor characters. I'd like to hear your thoughts please =) Twsl 15:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice one for the Luppi pic, it was me who uploaded the released form. I uploaded a new version for better view. Its a bit ugly, but oh well. Its true, Luppi doesn't change that much, nor does Grimmjow(does long hair and panter like body count?At least his structure is the same) So maybe we should upload release and non release.--Hanaichi 12:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, the new version is fine =D Twsl 13:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd consider Grimmjow's release a significant change, considering how much his face shifts. Luppi does hardly change at all though; just a new helmet and weapon. --tjstrf talk 03:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current pictures of the Espada -> released or non-released? 

message: I can't help but think, given how much time has been spent on her of late, that Nell deserves her own page---at least, if Ulquiorra and Grimmjow do. Corbmobile 23:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not yet, there isn't enough material to write about her, even less than Ulq. At least Ulq was credited with two invasions of the real world, and actually kidnapping Orihime.75.0.189.185 00:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Point taken.  Probably should wait until then.  Corbmobile 04:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page for Nell? 

message: I'd like to add an image of adult Nel but as there are no official colored images I wanted to add an image like shown below. Is it not allowed to use colored images that resembles the same colors as the original? Or are we only allowed to use strictly official colored images? Is there some kind of policy regarding this? Thanks =) Twsl 10:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No fan work, it is a breach of copyright of the author. It can only be colour if the author has released colour, or just have a black and white picture of Nel's "Espada" form, or wait until the anime reaches that point. σмgнgσмg 10:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that's clear, deleting the image. Thanks! Twsl 11:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. σмgнgσмg 12:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colored image of adult Nel Tu 

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thread_title:  Fair use rationale for Image:Privaronespada.JPG