Talk:Luke Burbank

message: The way the bio is written makes it sound like the subject filed multiple reports with This US Life. Evidence exists he only filed one report in 2001. I propose clarifying this. Bluecanary99 (talk) 05:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Greater Accuracy in Previous Reports Filed

message: Section for Deletion
On February 27, 2009, the following portion of this article was deleted: 
Burbank also works as a commercial voice-over performer, for Alaska Airlines, AT&T Wireless, and other companies.
Cause for Deletion
This was an uncited statement that had been marked for citation, off-and-on, for more than one month. 
Process of Discussion
A discussion was initiated on deletion of this statement within this discussion board in which a suggestion for deletion was raised. After a reasonable period of time had passed, no one registered objection to deletion. 
Registered Opinions on Edit
Supporting Deletion: User:Notabilitypatrol
Opposing Deletion: no on registered opposition to deletion
No Opinion: no one participated in the discussion who did not register an obvious opinion
Notabilitypatrol (talk) 07:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rationale for Deletion Occurring on February 27, 2009

message: This article references allegations by former employers that the topic of this article stole office furniture. This is clearly germane to any bio and must be added (with a note that the allegation was denied, of course). 
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=830690  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notabilitypatrol (talk • contribs) 04:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

message: I request consensus on the deletion of the following sentences for the reasons given: 
1 - Burbank hosts the show with help from producer Jennifer Andrews and engineer Sean De Tore.
a- article is about Burbank not his radio show, he has a separate article for that; 2 - every radio show in the world is hosted with the help of a producer and an engineer, this is frivolous 
2 - From there he moved to public radio station KUOW 94.9 FM, producing local talk show "The Conversation", after which he was hired as a producer / writer on the public radio satire show "Rewind". Later, Burbank moved to Los Angeles, where he worked as a producer on NPR's midday program "Day to Day", eventually working his way up to the position of reporter.
These sections have been on this page, uncited, for months now. These are cornerstone, foundation statements and need to be deleted if citations can't be found extremely quickly. 
3 - The Bryant Park Project struggled with low ratings on NPR stations.
This needs a citation or rapid deletion. Every article I've read said the Bryant Park Project had good ratings but was only carried on 13 NPR stations which is what killed it. 
4 - He was previously a freelance reporter for other NPR shows such as All Things Considered, This American Life, and Morning Edition. This is patently incorrect; one cannot "be a freelance reporter", one can only "file reports as a freelancer." That is the nature of freelance work in radio and every industry. This needs to be heavily edited or deleted. 
5 - After leaving NPR and returning to Seattle, Burbank was approached by 710 KIRO to host a radio show that appealed to a younger audience who would not normally listen to talk-radio. 
This is severely disingenuous and needs a citation or deletion. An extended discussion on radio-info.com indicated at least 3 people were approached by KIRO to host this show and turned them down and Burbank sent in his resume and was hired. I'm not saying one or the other is correct but, because we have two unverifiable claims in conflict, the entire sentence needs to be purged unless a citation can be quickly found.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notabilitypatrol (talk • contribs) 01:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sentences for Deletion

message: Instead of demanding deletions and "purges" (a word with uncomfortably Stalinist connotations), one might have read the sources and found the desired citations and corrections.   Anyway, that's what I just did.  The results are found in the new version of the article I just posted.  In response to your points:
1. I completely disagree, there's no reason not to have a sentence mentioning the main people on his show, especially since (as noted in #5) Andrews was reportedly key to his getting the job at KIRO.
2. These statements were all easily sourced from the articles; I've changed a few words to more closely reflect the articles (for example, the articles all mention that Burbank was originally hired as a "booker" on Day to Day).
3. On this point, I do partially agree with you--the articles don't talk about bad ratings, and NPR claimed they were happy with ratings, but not with the cost of the show.  
4.  I disagree with your semantic argument about "freelance reporter"--Google turns up 123,000 uses of the phrase, including 182 uses on Wikipedia.  However, I actually didn't see any uses of the term in connection with Burbank, so I rephrased to match the cited source more closely.
5.  I hardly think this was "disingenous" and "purging" is hardly the remedy; anyway, I went with what it actually said in the cited source, namely that Andrews pitched the show and Burbank to KIRO.
6.  I don't think there's anything wrong with mentioning that a notable person does commercials; however, I do agree that this would benefit from a reliable source and you know, I already tagged the sentence requesting same.  
7.  Burbank's daughter's name is easily found in the cited sources.
8.  No, the "stealing furniture" story is not a "must."  If we end up adding an extensive section about his days at KUOW, maybe it could go in as a passing, joking mention, in the same spirit that it is included in The Stranger.  Otherwise, see WP:UNDUE.
Finally, I will echo everything that User:Golbez has said at Talk:Too Beautiful to Live.  In particular,
"Stop giving deadlines. Wikipedia doesn't work around your schedule. Propose, discuss, and then put up. No timing necessary. This isn't a race, nor is it a job."  
--Arxiloxos (talk) 05:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Response and notes re revised draft

message: 1. This is an article about this Burbank fellow, not his radio show. I have no problem if his staff are mentioned in the article about his show, but not in the article about him. To come to this conclusion I have used comparative referencing: 
::*Laura Ingraham vs. Laura Ingraham Show (no mention of show staff in first instance, mention of show staff in second instance) 
::*Rush Limbaugh vs. Rush Limbaugh Show (no mention of show staff in first instance, mention of show staff in second instance) 
::*Stephanie Miller vs. Stephanie Miller Show (no mention of show staff in first instance, mention of show staff in second instance) 
It is poor form to make exceptions to precedent without just cause. What is the just cause to grant this Burbank fellow an exception to precedent? 
2. To all other points, I'm reserving a right of reply. It will be an easier process for everyone involved if we can work through the fixing of these articles one deletion and edit at a time. 
3. As I said, I do not make deadlines. I politely request expeditious response so that the articles can be corrected as quickly as they were created. This is a reasonable onus for us to assume in fulfillment of our voluntarily encumbered obligations to wikipedia readers. 
Thanks for the input! I look forward to quick resolution of point #1. 
Warmest Regards --- Notabilitypatrol (talk) 06:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Replies to Responses

message: He frequently uses the word "gay" to indicate something he deems to be bad. This has led to charges of homophobia and hate-mongering. --User:notorietypatrol  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notabilitypatrol (talk • contribs) 01:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He has also on-air used the phrases "duchetards" and "sub-retarded".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.191.214.143 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Disparaging Remarks about Differently Abled and Differently Oriented Persons

message: Luke has admitted in the last few months to having mouth herpes on air as the dentist mentioned it too loudly and the others in the clinic knew who was there. Dori was the first to talk about it on air, Luke played a clip of Dori talking about it - he was indirect at first doing a parody of it speaking of himself licking a thrown away yogurt cover and getting the symptoms. --Clark89 (talk) 07:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mouth herpes 

message: Due to the fact that the section I have added may be conterversial, I would like to remind others that non-print observations and the alike from persons other than one-self are acceptable, and are not oringinal research or anything like that. I am not sure of how to write the reference for this kind of thing thought so I will leave it to someone else. 71.112.88.63 (talk) 07:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: agree about this point but, for those of us who have not listened to this program before, it would be good if we had at least 1 other perspective to the on-air aggression ... not saying it's not a fact, just saying i think we need secondary verification of observational statements --- that said, i'm still voting delete for this article but, if it must remain, i suppose i'm okay with this note since the rest of the article is pretty fawning ... also, you should join the discussion voting to delete Too Beautiful to Live at that page ... 207.102.78.164 (talk) 16:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of references 

message: I have restored the article because Luke Burbank is still employed by KIRO until the end of the year, as stated in the article. Humbly, Nathalmad (talk) 18:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoration of Article 

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