Talk:Pedro Santana Lopes

message: On the story of the nap:
Ana Costa Almeida, one of Santana Lopes's spokespersons wrote to weekly Expresso "acompanhei o Senhor Primeiro-Ministro na sua deslocação à Assembleia da República, de onde saiu às 18h30 e não às 17h00 como é dito. Depois disso, o Dr. Pedro Santana Lopes não foi fazer qualquer sesta, como é afirmado".
I find it outrageous that people are using this wikipedia article to make political campaign by attacking Dr. Pedro Santana Lopes.
->Note: Pedro Santana Lopes is not a Doctor so the prefix Dr. is not justifiable.
The whole gaffes section should be deleted. Pedro Santana Lopes is known for his work not for those insignificant and preposterous claims. Pharotek 22:18, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nap

message: Pharotek, I'd be the first to agree that an encyclopedia article shouldn't just list gaffes from a particular person (or, else, the George W. Bush and Dan Quayle ones would be longer than "War and Peace"). The point is that Santana *is* known for the gaffes - they are mentioned in political cartoons, for instance. Saying he is know for them is not POV, it's stating a fact. Besides, it's not an exhaustive list, just a few examples. You don't want me to add the "our government is a baby in an incubator" one, do you? :)
I also believe that Santana Lopes is a liar, a coward, incompetent, an "aunt" (portuguese expression, you know what I mean - to the non-Portuguese, think "socialite", usually applied to an air-headed middle-aged woman who never worked in her life but is rich and goes to all the parties)), and the worse PM I can remember (I'm 30) - yet I don't add *that* to the article, because that, indeed, would be POV.
Or do you believe that the Adolf Hitler article should have all references to the Holocaust removed because that's an attack on Hitler? And yes, this is Godwin's law :) Dehumanizer 11:21, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we calm down a bit?  It's clear that there are opposed political opinions here, and they're causing the temperature to rise much higher than is appropriate.  A plague on both your houses; I'm interested only in making sure that the article is of good quality, and neutral.  I realise that some of you think that anything that goes against your position is by definition bigoted and extreme; it isn't.  I've been trying to keep this article and its Talk page away from RfC — please help me on this by staying calm and as dispassionate as you can. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:56, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Gaffes section 

message: I am calm about this. I want to share another of my POV's with you guys: this article is quite biased. I believe the Portuguese version of the same wikipedia article is much less biased. I will now present a translation made by me. I've never edited the Portuguese version. I'm doing this in hope of elevating the quality of this article. This is an accurate translation. I will only make SLIGHT adjustments that WILL NOT change the tone of article. I'm modifying things such as: 
Literal Translation:  
Is the Prime Minister of Portugal.
My Translation:
Has been Prime Minister of Portugal since July 17, 2004.
The translated version is the most current:
 14:16, 11 Fev 2005 195.23.220.52 
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Santana_Lopes
Here it goes:
Pedro Miguel Santana Lopes (born June 29, 1956 in Lisbon) is a Portuguese politician, and has been Prime Minister of Portugal since July 17, 2004.
Santana Lopes graduated in Law from the University of Lisbon. He joined the Portuguese Social Democratic Party (PSD) in 1976, and he is the current President of the party.
He was part of the Cavaco Silva administration as State Secretary of Culture. He was also president of Sporting Clube de Portugal, and Mayor of Figueira da Foz - currently one of the rare times he ever completed a term in office. In 2001 he became Mayor of Lisbon.
When Durão Barroso resigned from office, in order to accept the invitation to become President of the European Commission, on July 6 of 2004, Santana, who was then the party's Vice-President of the Partido Social Democrata (PSD), rose to President.
Jorge Sampaio, President of the Republic, ended the political crisis created by Durão Barroso's departure by inviting Santana Lopes to form a new Government. He was appointed Prime Minister on the 12 of July and was sworn in on July 17. However, on November the 30th the President of the Republic announced that he was going to dismiss the government and forcing an early election. 
After that, Santana's government resigned, a decision with no practical effects, since the government would continue as a caretaker government until the new government could take its place after the elections on the 20th of February 2005.
In a poll published December 17 2004 on the newspaper Expresso, 49% felt Santana's performance was negative, and only 35% considered it positive; 43% considered him as the main responsible for the political crisis, against 29% that felt that his predecessor was responsible, 17% blamed the President of the Republic Jorge Sampaio.
Santana Lopes has five children by three different ex-wives.
END
I feel this version is much more objective. Please state your opinions. If no one can prove that the current version is better I will exchange it for this one (with or without any changes deemed necessary by consensus).
Pharotek 23:56, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Objective version

message: I've just reverted yet another person's removal of the paragraph about the economic situation.  The paragraph makes it clear that there was a gap between Guterres' and Santana Lopes' times of office, and explains that the intervening period only made things worse.  To remove it on the grounds merely that there was such a gap is therefore unacceptable. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:05, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tidied the English and style.  I've no doubt that there will be complaints, but let's wait and see. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:22, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Poor little Santana. Being attacked just for having accepted a job he wasn't up to. Regarding the teacher allocation problem, while nobody accused Santana of being responsible, this attempt to blame the previous government (and whose party was it?) seems to be a way of forgetting the irresponsability and incompetence displayed by Santana and his Minister for Education during the process. Yes, the IT provided had being chosen in Durão Barroso's government. And yes, the Minister of Education Santana chose was (IMHO, and I'm still to know someone who thinks otherwise) irresponsable and incompetent during the whole process, and wasn't even sacked. --
Explendido Rocha 10:02, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts 

message: I found the title on a Portuguese government Web-site, so although it sounds slightly odd in English, it's semi-official. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:27, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minister for National Defence and Sea Affairs 

message: I'm leaving the page to the childish bickering between politically motivated people.  As it seems to be the only page that most of you are interested in, I suppose that it doesn't much matter if you grow old here reverting each other's changes.  I tried to hold out against you, but I've got better things to do. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 10:04, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goodbye 

message: If not, please read it now - it's the policy on biographies of living persons. I will quote: "controversial material (negative, positive, or just highly questionable) that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous." Yes, I just did that: I commented all the non-sourced negative material (I did not delete it, in case someone wants to go at it and pu in sources). I am surprised that there was such a huge discussion on this page about all the controversial issues surrounding this person and yet there is only one-ONE! source for the whole article. Again, I ask you to please read WP:LIVING, especially if you intend to revert my edits. Thank you. --maf 19:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Have you noticed the box at the top?