Talk:List of historical tropical cyclone names

message: I've looked through all of the name lists and I think that the Atlantic name lists are the most organised. I think that all the other name lists should only contain ten years of names, then be placed in a different set. For example: 2000-2009, not 2000-2015. I think it would make it much more organised; I am currently on vacation and won't be back for awhile, it would be helpful if someone helps me with this reconstruction. STO12 (talk) 00:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Reconstruction (East Pacific)

message: I've been working on creating a link for every storm on this article, it may take awhile, but if Someone would like to help me then that would be most appreciated. STO12  —Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Every storm name doesn't need to be linked.  For storms which have separate articles, I think this is great.  But, adding links that just point to a section of the season article when the season article is already linked at the top of the column, just adds unnecessary clutter.  It's much easier for the reader to recognize when there's an article dedicated to a single storm when those are the only storm names that appear colored in their browser, and having multiple links to the same article also makes the saved version of the article unnecessarily long. LarryJeff (talk) 22:35, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Working progress

message: We need to cite sources here. Where did this information come from?
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:07, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: In the "North Pacific east of 140W" section, "Names effective 1960-1977" subsection, the third list refers to "Aletta" but the retired list says that Adele was replaced by "Alleta".  Anybody know which name is actually correct? --Quelloquialism 10:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepancy in Naming 

message: this article is confusing and vague. Kingturtle 21:08, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  please edit this 

message: Shouldn't names retired from the modern lists also be listed here since they are 'old' and will not come into use again? They aren't covered here or in the hurricane naming article.
In the Atlantic, those would be:
*David (1979)
*Frederic (1979)
*Allen (1980)
*Alicia (1983)
*Elena (1985)
*Gloria (1985)
*Gilbert (1988)
*Joan (1988)
*Hugo (1989)
*Diana (1990)
*Klaus (1990)
*Bob (1991)
*Andrew (1992)
*Luis (1995)
*Marilyn (1995)
*Opal (1995)
*Roxanne (1995)
*Cesar (1996)
*Fran (1996)
*Hortense (1996)
*Georges (1998)
*Mitch (1998)
*Floyd (1999)
*Lenny (1999)
*Keith (2000)
*Allison (2001)
*Iris (2001)
*Michelle (2001)
*Isidore (2002)
*Lili (2002)
*Fabian (2003)
*Isabel (2003)
*Juan (2003)
*Charley (2004)
*Frances (2004)
*Ivan (2004)
*Jeanne (2004)
:Modern names should be in this list from all past tropical cyclone seasons.  Thegreatdr (talk) 18:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Retired Names? 

message: How can we find the old name lists of Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones ? There is less information about this basin than other basins.
--HERB 13:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Use the BOM database Jason Rees (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones 

message: I think this article should be renamed List of historic tropical cyclone names be cause that's what it really is. The word "previous" implies recency. These names are historic: ones from...history. I think the name should reflect that. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 03:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that, and your logic is perfect. Full support. Hurricanehink 03:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done since no objections were raised over the past 4 months. Thegreatdr 18:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename? 

message: This is just a disorganized and unstructured list of lists... Jdorje 20:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're working on that, and the referencing.  Thegreatdr (talk) 02:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo

message: Is the sets used from 2001 to 2004 is the same as to 2005 afterwards? If yes, kindly change from 2004 to Present in a title for the usage of the set that was effective since 2001. --Frj1947 17:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Philippine Lists

message: I read somewhere before that the First Eastern Pacific Hurricane name list from 1960 consist of 4 list with rules applying to the list the same as the Western Pacific (meaning use running sequentially). In 1966 this was change to starting with A every year just as the Atlantic List but still maintaining the old list that was before. Can anyone please clarify that information? 29 May 2006
::You are right, but there was only two lists- all female names. Then in 1966, 4 lists of all female names were used until the beginning of the 1978 Pacific hurricane season where they began to alternate male and female names in four lists until 1982 where they added two more lists to bring it to six lists which are still being used today. --#Yueof theNorth 21:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Eastern Pacific List

message: Here's a WMO source for all Australian region retirees:  Titoxd(?!?) 05:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian names 

message: *Atlantic - 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997.Jason Rees (talk) 02:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *From what i remember the references were removed since the general purpose of this list, changed from all lists of names to names that have been used. I am ideally after references that contain names used for either several years or a couple of basins. I will double check the MWL's too see if any of the issues qualify. Jason Rees (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *MWL's should be usable, though they should shift to issues from the following spring.  Then again, so could Monthly Weather Review.  Thegreatdr (talk) 19:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yeah while both publications are useable, i just want to be careful with what references are added in order to keep the page size down. For example the Aus/SPAC seasons are cited back to the Australian Met Magazine up until 1998-99, when we start using the Padgett/Young end of year summaries for both hemispheres rather than continuing with the AMM or some other source.Jason Rees (talk) 01:52, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Tropical Cyclone seasons that need sourcing (2013 Update)

message: This article is getting squishy and long like the old similar article we had before. I think that we should separate these into something like: List of historic Eastern Pacific names etc. It is more better and cleaner. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: While this article is rather long - I would rather not split it off into subarticles as i doubt there is enough information around for them. I suspect that your recent change to the layout of the CPAC may have influenced on your opinion, but i RVd it as it is better to have it as one single table/section rather than in two or three single sections. If the CPAC ever becomes active enough with 10 or more systems per year then we can revisit the format.Jason Rees (talk) 21:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, what if, for example, we are already in the mid-2020s and we have a whole lot of storms with the same article and format? Typhoon2013 (talk) 23:48, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

text: Again if we need to in the future we can revisit the format, but at the present time i see no reasons for changing it.Jason Rees (talk) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

text: Sorry for a late response, I wanted to go back here again thats why. But what happened to the previous/old format where we just have all the names in one table? It would be easier finding the name because it's in alphabetical order. Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

text: It would be a lot harder to source though as generally there are no sources stating that the name Jason was only used once throughout the world for example.Jason Rees (talk) 09:27, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

text: I think we could use both. Keep this as a main list, and make a new series that goes alphabetically, such as List of named storms (U–Z). Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 17:01, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separating these..? 

message: I noticed while going through the South Pacific cyclone season articles today that in and around the 80s, cyclones in the far eastern South Pacific were named by the Tahitian met service. There is minimal indication in the articles that that was the case but I found out by snooping around and a bit of inferences. I find it interesting that the way regions of naming and even the official basins have changed throughout history, but many different pages are very present-based with no indication of how cyclones were monitored in the past. It can be quite confusing sometimes.
I also came to this page to see that only some of the Tahitian names were in the South Pacific section, some are missing e.g. Diola (1980-81). Would it be a good idea to have the Tahitian names in their own separate subsection (under the South Pacific) to somehow indicate this? In addition, I think quite a lot could be written about the history of these agency changes but there's not much in the southern hemisphere regions, where it gets especially interesting, with sparse data/other sources mentioning it. atomic7732 10:56, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Tahiti and New Caledonia have indeed named tropical cyclones within the Southern Pacific in the past, but I am not 100% certain on there is very little sourcing available to back the history of naming in this region up. However, I suspect if we were to look in to meteorology in general in the region and looked into leads like the South Pacific Air Transport Council and the New Zealand Meteorological Service then the history would become clearer. However, getting back to this article, I feel that separating the Tahiti names out would not be a wise idea, since it is just an insignificant agency that named a few tropical cyclones for a few years. I will double check a sources I have available to me to see what names are missing from Tahiti.Jason Rees (talk) 08:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tahitian cyclone names 

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message: This article should actually be named "List of historical tropical cyclone names", as the word "historic" refers to things of great historical significance, whereas "historical" simply means something that happened in the past.  This is not a major difference, but still good to fix.  Since there's no separate page on historic (i.e. major) historical storms, a redirect can be setup to avoid breaking links.  Any objections?  Tfocker4 (talk) 15:57, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: You are not allowed to publish the WPAC International names for the rest of this year and future years onto this list per the wikipedia rules on Original Research.Jason Rees (talk) 09:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well ok sure. But just to note I may revert most of your edit(s) as I liked my version because it separates the naming eras of the 20th and 21st centuries. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:37, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Except it didnt and while it would be nice to seperate the names into pre and post 2000 - i would rather keep it to 15 year blocks for now.Jason Rees (talk) 11:23, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPAC Names 

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message: The South-West Indian Ocean basin, like the North Atlantic and North-East Pacific (1966-date) basins, uses yearly namelists. However, while NATL and EPAC have recycled names and namelists from time to time while retiring a few names for obvious reasons (now doing so in six-year cycles since 1979), it looks like SWIO has hardly ever reused a single name (Anita being perhaps the only one, used in 1967-68 and 2006-07 seasons), and since the SWIO seasons' articles here do not mention any available-but-unused names (except the 1983-84 season and 1992-93 onwards), it is not obvious to me whether any unused pre-1992-93 names were recycled from one year to another.
Does anybody here know where could someone find the full namelists ever used by MFR (including all unused names) for all seasons before 1992-93?
Also, according to Tropical cyclone naming#South-West Indian Ocean (Africa – 90°E), since the 2000-01 season namelists are cycled every three years (retiring only those names that got to be used), although that is not even quite obvious since even many unused names are not being recycled for subsequent years (only unused names Savana thru Zanele from 2009-10 season have survived to this day, being present in the current 2018-19 list, whereas Kanja thru Rahim from 2009-10, though never assigned before, did not make it back into 2018-19). So it seems this so-called "three year cycling" of namelists is not holding up. SilSinn9821 (talk) 07:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Appologies  I have only just had chance to read through your post fully. The rotating of unused names in the SWIO has only been in place since the  RA I TCC in 2015 not 2000-01. As for where to find lists of names, try looking through old journals like the mariner weather logs or metmar - in fact I think if you are lucky you might find some of the lists sourced in the history of this article.Jason Rees (talk) 00:07, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full namelists for South-West Indian Ocean cyclone seasons from 1959-60 to 1991-92? 

message: And talking about sections, why are PAGASA names listed in a section of their own (== Philippines ==), separate from List of historical tropical cyclone names#Western North Pacific, when Philippines isn't a separate basin but a member of WPAC? Shouldn't such section be rather a subsection (=== Philippines ===) within "List of historical tropical cyclone names#Western North Pacific"? --SilSinn9821 (talk) 04:43, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think its just the way the list was developed and has evolved. Should we make it a subsection of WPAC? Probably not since the list would just get burried and confuse the reader.Jason Rees (talk) 13:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  PAGASA names in a section of their own, rather than a subsection within WPAC? 

message: Many of the pre-2000 names used in SWIO sound more English than French (in spite of that basin being MFR territory from the beginning). It begs the question as to whether the names used during that period were devised by MFR alone or whether JTWC (given the U.S. military presence in the Diego Garcia archipelago) actually lent a hand there, given JTWC’s known history of naming storms in WPAC until 2000 (when JMA took over that duty there). --SilSinn9821 (talk) 18:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont know the answer to your latest question , however, I would remind you that MFR doesnt name systems themselves.Jason Rees (talk) 00:31, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classic SWIO names sound a lot like JTWC names 

message: Would it be appropriate if I add european windstorm names in this article but it wouldn’t be TROPICAL CYCLONES, right? So if inappropriate or appropriate, reply and I would then add/do nothing with this article. 223.239.62.139 (talk) 13:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As one of the primary editors of this list I have wondered about adding them in and renaming this article to something like List of historical weather system names, but I haven't been able to make any firm conclusions as there are two schools of thought. The first school of thought is to add them in and rename the article to something like List of historical weather system names, which would enable people to be able to see what names have been assigned to weather systems over the years. Without wishing to open the debate over such systems, we also have to remember that some of the named systems are probably tropical cyclones especially down in Greece. The other school of thought though is that this article at 200 227 bytes is too large to accommodate even more names and thus we should look at creating a couple of new lists, that cover non-tropical cyclone names including The Weather Channel's names, FU Berlin's names and the names assigned by the European Met Agencies to warn of various events.Jason Rees (talk) 00:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding something that would alter the scope and title of the article seems excessive. I'd certainly support a second(ary) article with other names as you suggest. doktorb wordsdeeds 09:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

text: The second school of thought is better… 223.187.249.215 talkcontribts  12:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  European windstorm names