Talk:New Apostolic Church

message: I just removed the following from the main page, under the theology heading:
=== For a complete understanding of current New Apostolic Church theology click on the link below. ===
New Apostolic Church Chief Apostle Schneider Q&A On Current Church Doctrine'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm8vlvqRXQg
In minutes 48:21 - 49:45 of the video, Chief Apostle Schneider was asked:
“Can someone who has already been sealed by a New Apostolic Church Apostle attend another Christian Church and still become the Bride of Christ?”
The Chief Apostles answer: “No, that is not possible.”
This doctrine intentionally excludes ALL NON ATTENDING NAC Christians from becoming the Bride of Christ. It also intentionally excludes ALL NON NAC Christians (including our family and friends) from becoming the Bride of Christ and judging us and them to the tribulation.
Chief Apostle Schneider claims that ONLY attending members of the New Apostolic Church can be the Bride of Christ because Jesus needs his Apostle ministry to "prepare His Bride" and that any Christian that wants to be taken in the Rapture must be continually “prepared” by the New Apostolic Church Apostle ministry. Chief Apostle Schneider teaches in this video that if you are not being prepared by the New Apostolic Church Apostle ministry you cannot be the Bride of Christ.
This seems to me to be, to put it mildly, non-neutral. If it actually contains necessary information, it should be rewritten into something more encyclopedic in tone.DBowie (talk) 00:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-neutral content removed

message: Articles should be written in an impartial and scholarly manner, not as advertisement, propaganda, or recruitment vehicles.
:POV tag added.  The page sounds as if it were a listing from some sort of denominational handbook.  Much of the information sounds good — although in an obviously sympathetic manner — but there are deeper problems with other bits, such as the reason for the split (at the bottom of the History section) and the thing about ministers being without training, just as in the original church.  Nyttend 21:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page is not written in an impartial manner. 

message: removed: and no financial accountability or reporting to the members at all 
see: http://www.nak-nl.org/data/resources/File/jaarcijfers_nak_2004.pdf (in Dutch) - DeSinT 23:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed most of the material in this section as unsourced specualtion, and briefly rewrote the rest. I also added an "unreferenced" tag, because there are no sources cited at all. Doc  Tropics 00:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  This is something that needs outside research first before it becomes encyclopedic.  The lack of available info on this topic does not merit trying to make WP into a primary source.  Enourage your local investigative reporter to delve into this issue.  --Vees 21:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to the Dutch NAC website (3 January 2007) the German and Swiss church published their financial reports in the Unsere Familie of november (the official NAC magazine). (Publicatie financiële jaarcijfers 2005 - In navolging van de Nieuw-Apostolische Kerk in Duitsland en Zwitserland (zie het internationale kerktijdschrift Onze Familie, nr. 11, 2006), publiceert de Nieuw-Apostolische Kerk in Nederland haar financiële jaarcijfers van 2005. Klik voor de details hier - Annual report publication 2005 - Following the New Apostolic Church in Germany and Switzerland (see the international church magazine Onze Familie, number 11, 2006) the New Apostolic Church in the Netherlands publishes her annual report 2005. Click for details here) - DeSinT 00:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The investigative reporter would not be able to prove that which does not exist, merely the lack of information.  The regional churches (districts) report to the legal minimun on income from all sources and expenditures.  In the UK, a report must be filed with the Charity Commision, in the USA, the Church is not required to file anything as a 503c, and nothing is available for members.  Minimal state filings exist as the church operates as a corporation.  FYI, the name is commonly just the initials (NAC). Would this be allowed - The NAC, while stating finances are derived from voluntary donations, provides no statistics beyond reporting to the legal minimum.  In the United States, no legal minimum exists, therefore accounting for contributions, income from investments and disbursements is not available to the membership-at-large. - KbbSchindos 03:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Accounting

message: " The main point of their gospel was the imminent return of Jesus Christ and spreading the sacrament of the Holy Sealing (to be compared with confirmation)" is not supported in either C. Grahams Flegg's "Gathered Under Apostles" or in G. Alan Mast's "The Eucharistic Service of the CAC and its Influence..."
The CAC sought to hasten the return of Jesus Christ by returning the Church (universal) to a perfect form.  Sealing was introduced later, in 1847, initially for ministers and was voluntary, and was to enliven one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, namely the gift of power.
Compare with the NAC in which Holy Sealing is the third of three sacraments (along with Baptism and Communion), in which the Holy Spirit is dispensed by an Apostle and is required to partake in the return of Christ.
This allusion to the  CAC Holy Sealing and its purpose, and therefore to NAC Holy Sealing is erroneous.  - KbbSchindos 04:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic Apostolic Church 

message: On June 25, a non-registered user editted the page by removing the external/unaffiliated links
Given the limited scope of the article, and the paucity of third party material to draw from, this is a grave disservice to anyone wanting to know about the New Apostolic church other than what has been cut-and-pasted from the primay church website, which is clearly not a neutral point of view.
As such, I propose restoring the external links
KbbSchindos 02:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External (Unaffiliated) links deleted 

message: The History has been expanded significantly regarding the beginning  of this sect
Level of detail due to the history of schisms within this body, even from its early leaders.
Sources referenced.
KbbSchindos 19:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Due the lack of material in English beyond the official website, linking to sites that may contain English material/discussion as a subset of the main language would be of value. This will be done after a few days to allow discussion.
KbbSchindos 22:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links where the primary language is other than English 

message: On October 22 an unregistered editor deleted one line without discussion.  I have restored that line and provided citation.
If the unregistered editor wishes to discuss the item, please do so here prior to further changes.  Deletion without discussion may be considered vandalism and reported
KbbSchindos 01:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor edits - undoing 

message: Hello everybody
These doctrines presented on that website aren't up to date at all. Additional some of his proclaims are wrong, for example 1.6
Someone of the discussion on this webpage said New Apostolic Church wouldn't provide their right doctrine clinically.
Of course they do or how could they persuade other people to join them if they didn't present the real doctrine. The Webmaster of naki.de himself sais he would change the proclaims by obtaining updates from New Apostolic Church. 
So you should present (additionally) an other reference of doctrine.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.77.222.105 (talk) 07:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  naki.de 

message: Hi Electricninja
Thank you very much for revising the article.
Some comments:
1) The New Apostolic Church is called "Igreja Nova Apostolica" in Portuguese. I will add this information. 
2) I see I still have to study a lot xD. Could you briefly explain, why it is necessary to write "The ship sank on which Klibbe was believed to traveling"
instead of to be traveling or just to travel. I do not understand.
3) I deliberately linked the word "Holy Sealing" because it is intended to write an article about this Apostolic sacrament, but it will remain as it is now.
regards!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesuit222 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electricninja 

message: Maybe I misread the article, but I don't think it addresses this issue: does the church practice excommunication? If yes, what acts are punishable by excommunication? --Europe22 (talk) 00:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Excommunication

message: Knowing a bit about Arthur Karl Piepkorn, I find the reference in the section on sacraments to be of extremely dubious reference.  It implies that Piepkorn endorsed this "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" as a sacrament, whihc is extremely unlikely.
I haven't been able to track down the citation given, but since it is a secondary cite it isn't sound anyway, so for the moment I'm pulling it.  The text as it stands says:
The Holy Sealing has been defined by Arthur C. Piepkorn as "the most exalted sacramental impartation of grace that a human being can receive".[19]
Dismalscholar (talk) 03:00, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Piepkorn citation

message: I made some style changes to make the article more consistent and most of them are European/English style rather than American. I did this because the focus of the NAC is non-American. Dates are in DD month YYYY format. Spellings are UK English (eg. organisation instead of organization). The church is abbreviated 'the NAC' instead of just 'NAC'. Grahamwest (talk) 11:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy editing

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