Talk:Trinity (nuclear test)

message: In the Gadget section it says:
'It was feared by some that the Trinity test might "ignite" the earth's atmosphere, eliminating all life on the planet, although a classified report produced several years earlier had demonstrated that this was not possible.[17]'
The report in reference 17 seems to have been written in 1946 (http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/docs1/00329010.pdf), a year after the test, so I think this should be re-worded to remove the reference.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ggaughan (talk • contribs) 07:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Although this is not a reliable reference, I once attended a talk by Richard Hamming, the inventor of the Hamming code.  In WWII, he was assigned to the Manhatten project, and one of his job was to do this particular calculation.  When he showed it to his boss, the boss said thanks and laid the report on a pile of other papers.  Hamming asked "Aren't you going to check my work?" and his boss said "I assure you that if you are wrong no-one will complain."  So this particular calculation was done before the test, and I believe that given the impact of the problem, several groups were asked to do this calculation.  LouScheffer (talk) 12:11, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a reference to doing the calculation before the test, though the report may be after Mathematics on a Distant Planet, by Hamming.   LouScheffer (talk) 13:43, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard that the reason for the report in 1946 was to provide some proof of due diligence after the fact and to support the development of Teller's SuperBomb (thermonuke).  My understanding from informal sources is that Bethe was assigned the problem by Oppenheimer (see http://www.sciencemusings.com/2005/10/what-didnt-happen.html) soon after arriving at Los Alamos, and that Hamming did a later calculation at the request of another physicist (as he relates in the reference). SkoreKeep (talk) 06:32, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

text: OK, I did this.   LouScheffer (talk) 12:23, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timing of the 'atmosphere ignition' report 

message: I've heard a few mentions of a story that some sort of radio interference made a radio station playing Tchaikovsky's Serenade for Strings cut into the military channels during the Trinity test. Does anyone have references on whether or not this is simply urban legend, and if so, is it noteworthy enough for inclusion? It seems quite widespread, even if people usually recount it with the qualifier that it is probably just a good story. --87.55.111.25 (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hawkeye? EEng 21:31, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Seems cool if its true. Where could a source for this be found? Who knows lots about the subject? Anyone? Bucky winter soldier (talk) 12:31, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tchaikovsky 

message: Congratulations to everyone in bringing this back to GA status. As a new(?) GA, is it eligible for WP:DYK?
Some suggested hooks (more formatting needed)
* ... that the first nuclear bomb to be detonated was hauled up with an electric winch into an oak platform and a shack made of corrugated iron?
* ... that the first nuclear bomb to be detonated had a truckload of mattresses placed underneath it in case the winch cable broke?
* ... that Richard Feynmann claimed to be the only person to see the first nuclear bomb explosion without protective goggles, using a truck windscreen instead?
* ... that before the explosion of the first atomic bomb, anger was caused by one physicist scaring other staff by speculating on the chance the Earth's entire atmosphere would ignite and burn?
* ... that for the explosion of the first ever atomic bomb, cameras were placed in bunkers only 800 yards (730 m) from ground zero, mounted on sleds so that a lead-lined Sherman tank could tow them out?
* ... that after they saw the first atomic bomb explosion, Bainbridge told Oppenheimer, "Now we are all sons of bitches"?
* ... that a U.S. transport aircraft pilot perceived the first ever atomic bomb as "the sun rising in the south", and when radioing for instructions was told "don't fly south"?
* ... that after the first ever atomic bomb explosion, Robert Oppenheimer said, "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent"?
* ... that after the first ever atomic bomb explosion, Robert Oppenheimer said that he recalled a line from Hindu scripture, "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds"?
* ... that after the first atomic bomb explosion, a coded message was sent from New Mexico to the Secretary of War who was at the Potsdam Conference, saying "Doctor has just returned most enthusiastic and confident that the little boy is as husky as his big brother"?
* ... that the press releases for different outcomes of the first ever nuclear bomb detonation had been written by William L. Laurence, and he knew that if the most negative were issued, it would likely be his own obituary?
* ... that newspapers on the east coast of the USA largely ignored unofficial reports of the first ever nuclear bomb detonation, including a blind woman 150 miles from the site who asked "what's that brilliant light"?
Would be nice... --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:15, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is eligible. I already nominated it. I did think of a couple of your hooks (the Oppenheimer and Laurence ones) but nominated it with a different hook. It has now been reviewed, and with luck will soon appear. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking good, thank you! I agree the Fermi bet is one of the most interesting aspects. As there are more than 200 other language Wikipedias, I will try to make sure the article is translated into all of them, and thus none of my proposed hooks might need to be wasted. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Also, would it be possible not to have two sections both entitled "Explosion"? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  DYK 

message: While the article should certainly explain what the term "gadget" means, how and why it was used, etc., I can't see any justification for using it in running text instead of some other term such as "bomb". Mr. , what say you, sir? EEng 07:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The personnel at Los Alamos were instructed to always say "gadget" instead of "bomb" in case they were overheard. The two words are completely interchangeable, but since the readers were not at Los Alamos, we want to avoid giving any impression that "gadget" meant a particular bomb, or a particular type of bomb. So "bomb" is preferred. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:04, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that means we're in agreement, so I've acted accordingly. EEng 09:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Continuing

message: ::this  is not in the source. Are we looking at the same document?  Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:25, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trinity energy fractionation 

message: My edits linking the Anthropocene-epoch proposal have been challenged, as needing references.  There are plenty in that article, but duplication here seems like clutter.  (Well, it does to me.)  Yet the point seems an important one to bring to the reader’s attention.  My idea is to leave it to the interested reader, who wants references, to seek them in the linked article.  What do people think?
Probably the best single reference there is this *together with the references it provides*.
- SquisherDa (talk) 13:15, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed as start-date for Anthropocene epoch 

message: What is "MWT"? The link doesn't explain. Grassynoel (talk) 21:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Mountain War Time (MWT). The 48 states of the US in 1945 were divided into four time zones: Eastern, Central, Mountain and Pacific. In 1942, year-round daylight savings was in force as a wartime measure to save energy. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detonation subsection 

message: I see that in 2012, this page had a nuclear fallout map removed- Also given the recent renewed interest in the site  due to Oppenheimer (film) with up to 100K hits per day, I think this absolutely needs to be on the page. Even if the last NCI map is controversial, as mentioned in https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/lawmakers-move-urgently-to-recognize-survivors-of-the-first-atomic-bomb-test. Any suggestions? Wuerzele (talk) 18:01, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a map that is free of WP:NFCC issues that we can freely use on this page?  --Jayron32 18:09, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article never got above 100,000 page views per day, although J. Robert Oppenheimer got over a million. See the discussion earlier on this talk page for the reasons for the removal of the graphic. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:52, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the map is a good idea Bucky winter soldier (talk) 12:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fallout map ( 2023) 

message: @Alexonion@Hawkeye7  I support addition of the link to the J. Robert  Oppenheimer article in the list of the Trinity test observers. There are so many links to the  J. Robert  Oppenheimer in the entire Trinity article, that one more will not make a difference. Szelma W (talk) 12:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There is only one in the body and one in the lead. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:07, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

text: The link should be added. Alexonion (talk) 13:48, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to [[J. Robert  Oppenheimer]] 

message: Some of the pictures seem to be overlapping to the point where you have to click on them in order to view them well. Bucky winter soldier (talk) 12:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo