Talk:Elvis Presley/Archive 12

message: The article should explain that Presley overdosed on ten different drugs because he was going blind from glaucoma and feared he had bone cancer, plus the 10,000 drugs he had taken in 1977 alone had damaged his brain. It's a shame the autopsy report will not be published for some years to come. ... comment added at 22:51, 17 May 2006 by 195.93.21.65, a frequent contributor to this talk page who has been repeatedly and politely asked to sign his or her contributions with "~~~~"
:This is stunning stuff, Mr/Ms IP! "10,000 drugs" -- not, say, 9,825 or 10,226. Did Presley perhaps have a goal of reaching this nice round number? It's only a shame that the autopsy report will not be published for some years to come for those people who have a tabloidy interest in celebrity expiry. I don't care how Presley died and for a moment I thought that publication would be good as it would shut people up. But no -- after all, if the autopsy report were published tomorrow, it wouldn't silence people enthralled by the image (true or entire fiction) of Presley defecating his way to eternity: if they were proved right, they'd go on and on about it; if they weren't, they'd cry whitewash. So, Mr/Ms IP, lacking the autopsy report, where do your factoids come from? National Enquirer, perhaps? Marlon Brando? Eminem? -- Hoary 06:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, IP, I see a difference between "10,000 drugs" and "10,000 hits". Also, this is from an unsigned trivia list. Do you really believe that unsigned trivia lists at IMDb are reliable sources for information about what went on between a dead celeb and his doctor? -- Hoary 04:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Is it more reliable? That depends on the article. Do I think that you have any interest in making this article more reliable? No I don't. Hoary 08:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suicide

message: Presley is actually the second biggest selling recording artist in history, after Michael Jackson, and the article should be corrected thus. The official Elvis website makes it clear they can only account for half a billion record sales worldwide, and it is believed that Crosby too may still be ahead of Presley. ... comment added by 195.93.21.65, a frequent contributor to this talk page who has been repeatedly and politely asked to sign his or her contributions with "~~~~"
:Mr/Ms IP, you might find this interesting. And what's the problem with "~~~~"? Can't locate it on the keyboard? -- Hoary 02:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Further, Mr/Ms IP, here is the relevant part of the article after it had been "corrected" by you: Presley remains the second best-selling solo artist in popular music history, after his son-in-law Michael Jackson, according to the RIAA.RIAA, Elvis Presley Now Best Selling Solo Artist In U.S. History (January 8, 2004). As you might guess from the title of that reference, it does not say what you say it says. (Indeed, it doesn't even mention Jackson.) Frankly, I don't care whether "best-selling solo artist" was the king of big collars or the king of nose-jobs. I'm perfectly willing to be persuaded that it was the latter: please present convincing evidence in an intelligent way. -- Hoary 02:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So, Mr/Ms IP, you now take the trouble to delete the reference when editing the page. You changed from an article saying one thing with (possibly inadequate or faulty) evidence to one saying something else with no evidence. How about providing some evidence? Incidentally, Presley fans (among whom I am not numbered) are likely to look askance at whatever evidence you do provide, so it would be wise to argue your point on this talk page. And remember, signing ("~~~~") is really easy. -- Hoary 10:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Interesting that you should say that, Mr/Ms IP. I too would have imagined that lots of teenagers wouldn't have any idea of who he was. But interestingly we read in this edit that Most black teenagers in America hate Presley because he was an evil racist who stole black music. The author of that comment? Why, that tireless contributor to this talk page 195.93.21.65! In order to hate him, wouldn't they have to know who he was? -- Hoary 05:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Second biggest selling solo artist