Talk:Philip Gale

message: I saw someone complaining at ArbCom that the article was a "coatrack", and indeed the Scientology references seemed to pop up at random places.  I don't think this is because the information is irrelevant - probably the main reason we're hearing about this person is probably because of the Scientology issue - but it does need to be concentrated into one section, introduced in a way that makes clear how this became an issue, and given an appropriate amount of skeptical distance as befits something which is more or less speculation.  I've tried to do this  but I don't know this story well or what's been taken out in the past.  I hope this can be a step in the right direction. Wnt (talk) 05:54, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Rearranging the deckchairs doesn't make it less of a coatrack. If there wasn't a Scientology hook the article would be "Bright student kills himself" and there isn't anything notable about that. Adding Scientology what we have is "Bright student kills himself. He was brought up as a Scientologist." and that hasn't added anything extra to the story, other than to add the Hubbardista peg. John lilburne (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted and removed irrelevant information. The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 21:30, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the March 13 bit is important to mention (certainly more important than the Subgenius stuff).  I'm not saying that I see proof (from what I've read here, at least...) of any sinister Scientology conspiracy, but it might be the equivalent of so many Christians who suicide on Christmas. Wnt (talk) 21:41, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: give a second to review and i'll get back to ya. The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 21:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading through the source the speculative stuff about "the holiday" I actually found that his father had died and he was "coming to terms with it." Thats more concrete problem rather then the tenuous Scientology Holiday stuff. The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "No original research" should apply to those who delete information just as much as those who add it.  Taking this out leaves an article that says that news media were speculating about the role of Scientology without saying why - I think it should be clear that the date had something to do with it. Wnt (talk) 13:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not clear at all that the date had anything to do with it. Removing text does not create original research -- it can mean that some remains that was already OR before conjoining text was removed.Griswaldo (talk) 13:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If a source says that a jug is full of red and green balls, and you remove mention of the green balls because you don't think there are any in the jug, that's original research. Wnt (talk) 20:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

text: It's not possible to remove all the Scientology because it's normal to state the parent's professions in that section, and if it's correct the mother was a "Scientology official" (though that could use explanation).  The role of Scientology in the Delphian School and Earthlink seems notable in explaining how he came to be in either of them - but it would be nice to get an explicit mention that went their because of that fact (was it the parents' choice? His own desire to stick with his religion? etc) Wnt (talk) 20:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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message: The bits in the background section that mention Scientology (in relation to his parents, his high school and earthlink) should be moved to the media coverage section or whatever section the Scientology connection is being discussed in. As it is it simply biases the reader in a very narrow direction by continued to qualify everything related to Scientology as such.Griswaldo (talk) 13:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not possible to remove all the Scientology because it's normal to state the parent's professions in that section, and if it's correct the mother was a "Scientology official" (though that could use explanation).  The role of Scientology in the Delphian School and Earthlink seems notable in explaining how he came to be in either of them - but it would be nice to get an explicit mention that went their because of that fact (was it the parents' choice? His own desire to stick with his religion? etc) Wnt (talk) 20:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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