Talk:List of speed metal bands

message: Holy crap, where do I even start?
-Children of Bodom are a black metal band, NOT speed metal.
-Helloween are power metal, NOT speed metal.
-And where the fuck is Pantera?
: Children of Bodom is about as black metal as Linkin Park. Have you ever heard black metal music? As for Helloween, their first 2 releases (Helloween EP and Walls of Jericho) were speed not power and this why they are part of the list. Pantera is groove/half-thrash. I suggest you learn something about the metal subgenres. Pasajero 18:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Should DragonForce be considered speed metal? --Zouavman Le Zouave 19:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please explain because if DF doesn't qualify as speed metal I don't know who does.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.156.35 (talk) 00:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about DragonForce? 

message: Shouldn't Iron Maiden be on this list? I always considered Iron Maiden and Killers to be their speed metal releases. What do you people think?
Weltanschaunng (talk) 07:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been debated that they are in fact speed metal at all on the Iron Maiden talk page (or was that Judas? or the mainspace?). I think the result of some edits on the main page were just reverted and disclosed or was that on Judas Priest? I forget because I recall similar things happening with both of them. CircafuciX (talk) 08:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well my POV is that those albums are speed, atleast some songs are. They are markedly different from the rest of their albums, and even we see some attempts later by Bruce at speed (Aces High).
Weltanschaunng 07:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Iron Maiden

message: Since I noticed that albums are being integrated here, I thought it would be helpful if I copy the format from the Thrash discussion page.



* flag of the band 
Enter Band's link here

Enter the albums here
 
Happy Editing!
Weltanschaunng (talk) 07:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy this code to add albums 

message: Kreator are not speed metal, they are thrash. There is a difference. Nick227 (talk) 19:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kreator 

message: Who the hell put Pantera here? 97.102.239.83 (talk) 19:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: just one album though. imo not enough to call them a speed metal band --FMSky (talk) 02:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

text: yeah, they should also not be here. i've removed them --FMSky (talk) 00:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pantera 

message: The Speed Metal article says there is a distinct difference between thrash and speed yet the big 4 of THRASH and various other thrash bands are on this list 68.205.208.78 (talk) 00:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone through and fetched any mention of "speed metal" from the AMG reviews listed as citations for bands beginning with "A." AMG seems to not be that consistent; two of these bands are referenced as "speed metal" in the text of the review, but are not tagged as "speed metal" in the "Styles" bar on the left of the window. They also, as I stated earlier, treat the terms "speed metal" and "thrash metal" interchangeably in many reviews. I think that any band with only an AMG citation should be removed from this list until a second citation is found. 173.8.66.233 (talk) 04:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The styles bar is never used; the biogs and reviews are by professional music journalists and so are included on this list. That you personally disagree with them is purely WP:POV. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 09:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

text: And original research, and those blurbs you added violated WP:DISCLAIM.Curb Chain (talk) 14:14, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash bands 

message: The article on racer x has speed metal as one of it's genre. --68.84.151.9 (talk) 02:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is mega simple... if you can't find a reliable source stating this (like every other band on this list) you cannot add them. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Racer x

message: I meant to say "that is not the purpose of lists and categories.  Lists have the purpose of listing references".Curb Chain (talk) 00:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last edit summary 

message: Also in accordance with the Wikipedia articles on this topic about half of the bands on this list shouldn't be here.
1. Similarities to other genres:
a) Thrash Metal: Since there are quite some similarities between speed and thrash metal, you'll find a speed metal influence espically on the debut albums of some of the early thrash bands (e.g. Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica or Testament).
The rest, however, are more or less pure thrash bands: Destruction, Kreator, Sodom, Death Angel, Exhorder, Exodus, Sepultura, Slayer, Onslaught and (the too technical) Annihilator.
b) (European) Power Metal: Especially German bands have walked (or crossed) the line between speed and power metal (e.g. Helloween or Blind Guardian) and should therefore be classified as speed AND power metal. On the other hand, a band like DragonForce is the epitomy of European power metal, but not speed metal, no matter how fast they play. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:DragonForce#Speed_Metal
2. Bands that have nothing to do with speed metal at all: Anthem, Blood Stain Child, Body Count, Charged GBH, The Crown, Hatesphere, Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Loudness, Meliah Rage, Mercyful Fate, Necrodeath, Nevermore, Nuclear Assault, Pantera, SOD.
3. Quality of sources: Yes, I know, the writers at Allmusic are professional music journalists. However, that doesn't mean that the site cannot be a complete disaster (i.e. inconsistent with all the other musical sources) when it comes to metal music (meanwhile they merged the speed and thrash metal genres anyway).
A very good introduction by Martin Popoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgBg7p8_Eig&t=234 Roland Lehner (talk) 14:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Necessary cleanup 

message: Can Tankard be called speed metal? They play less aggressive Teutonic thrash metal, unlike their comrades Kreator, Sodom, Holy Moses, Destruction and Exumer. 5.149.159.45 (talk) 12:37, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The lack of aggressiveness is not an indicator that this or that Thrash metal band is a speed metal band. Tankard can't be speed metal, definitely. Crystallizedh (talk) 14:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tankard 

message: Dope is an American alternative metal band. The question bothers me: is it possible to call Dope - speed metal? They play very fast metal, and very technical. 5.149.159.45 (talk) 13:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dope 

message: I doubt that grindcore and death metal can be played together with speed metal. I doubt it very much...
...just in case, I added them here. Crystallizedh (talk) 19:44, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sadistik Exekution 

message: There are such bands as Memorain and Lethal. They play groove metal, but their page says that they also play thrash and speed metal... 
I have a question: is it possible to mix speed metal with groove at all? or are these genres without reliable sources? it's hard to guess, but I added them anyway. Crystallizedh (talk) 12:15, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging with [[Groove metal|Groove]]