Talk:Nikki and Paulo

message: I think simply Nikki and Paulo would be a more appropriate article name than Nikki Fernandez and Paulo. Sticking Nikki's last name in when grouping them together just seems awkward. What do other people think? -- DocNox 03:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If Paulo had a last name, the article would be called "Nikki Fernandez and Paulo Lastname," but he doesn't.  All the other Lost articles have the characters' full names.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 03:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it would probably be fine to just have it "Nikki and Paulo". Doesn't matter to me much either way. -- Ned Scott 04:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The others do have their full names, but the others aren't combined. Walt and Michael aren't together, and neither are Boone and Shannon or Rose and Bernard. Their full names should be in the article, but maybe not in the title. They're known best as "Nikki and Paulo" anyway. Jwebby91 04:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The quality of this article has significantly dropped with this "merge", I'm inclined to nominate it for re-evaluation. Matthew 10:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is wrong with it?  Let's see if we can fix it before we take any drastic actions.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 03:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The article seems fine to me. Anything specific that caught your eye? -- Ned Scott 06:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Wait, before you FA review it, please say what is wrong with the article.  Wouldn't it be better to work toward a solution now instead of reviewing it, working on it, and re-nominating it for FA?  Also, due to the two complaints, I moved the article.  Here's a link to a comparison of the Paulo article by itself and the current version.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 21:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at it one point at a time, the characteristics section needs more creator sources, specifically ones relevant to Nikki. I retract what I said about the FA review, actually, looking at the comparison. Generally, more sources, specifically mainstream ones (major news outlets?) and insider ones (podcasts/DVD commentaries?) are mostly all that's needed. ~ZytheTalk to me! 11:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find anything on them from an interview with cast or crew that isn't on this page, then good job, because I feel that I've looked everywhere on the Internet.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 03:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait a few months then you'll likely be able to get some good stuff from the DVD boxsets. -- Scorpion0422 03:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: Comment if you feel like it.  Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#Nikki and Paulo.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 04:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is no longer applicable, as the featured article director has drastically changed the format of the page.  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 03:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to be [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article|Today's featured article]] 

message: Who made this pair "main characters"? They were only in a few episodes, mostly in the background, and only one episode focused on them. She even had a line — an obvious joke — about 'we all know what happens to guest stars'. Most of those listed as supporting characters have more appearances and dialogue. Off to look at that template... --Jack Merridew 13:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nikki and Paulo are a strange case.  They were contracted as guest stars, but they were given the "starring" credit.  Because of this, the latest consensus was to list them as "main."  There are a lot of people who disagree with this (I do) and this has been discussed numerous times before in the archived talk pages of this page, the template, the main page and the characters page.  --thedemonhog talk • edits 17:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I looked over some of the archives and it seems to blow the other way and, well, they're minor characters! I still say demote 'em. --Jack Merridew 14:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I am trying to, but am struggling due to a lack of input on the template's talk page and people reverting without knowing why they should not.  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 03:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: It won't.  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 00:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It shouldn't matter. they have had absolutely no impact on the overall plot of Lost. None. Besides Expose' name one episode that they actually made a difference on (and don't tell me Nikki on "The Cost of Living"). They shouldn't even have an article, nevertheless main characters. They are worthless. They've been in 7 episodes (6 in Nikki's case). Thats less than Rousseau, Alex, Tom, Ethan, Christian, Rose, or Bernard, and have an euqal number of appearances as Richard Alpert and Mikhail, all of which are supporting characters and have made a much, much larger impact on the plot than these 2 have. Stop it with this politically correct bullshit and put them back to supporting. We all know they don't deserve main character status.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.241.233 (talk) 01:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They do deserve an article.  It has gotten to featured status.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 01:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main characters? 

message: re the caption on the picture of her - someone have a source for the specific day or just some wishful fantasising? --Jack Merridew 08:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The episode still is from "Further Instructions," which takes place on day 69.  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 03:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nikki on day 69 

message: Just tried to fix a little grammatical error, but it won't let me save because www.hubpages.com (ref #37) is a blacklisted spam link - see WP:SPB. 97198 talk 02:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooh, new font.  I removed the hubpages link and text.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 07:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: =D I thought I'd leave it to you. :) Now, back to that grammar... —97198 talk 07:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam blacklist 

message: I've gotten into a bit of an edit war with one of the users on this page regarding an addition I made to the page.  My addition was a 'Trivia' section that states "In 2008, the band Miniature Tigers released a song titled Cannibal Queen that contains the lyrics: "If she ever left me, I would break down and die, Like Nikki and Paulo could bury me alive."  My edit was originally removed because banned was deemed NN.  I then created a page for Miniature Tigers (which, IMHO, verifies the band is relatively notable, especially considering the band mentions in magazines like Rolling Stone, Spin, etc.)  I then re-submitted my entry, which was subsequently removed.
So, I'd like to see what other users think.  IMO, the addition is entirely relevant.  There are a barrage of other wiki pages with similar trivia sections.  However, I am certainly open to listening to arguments against the addition.JoelWhy (talk) 17:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: Is "Paulo" really pronounced POW-law? kwami (talk) 00:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Pau" rhymes with "cow" and the "lo" rhymes with "go".  –thedemonhog talk • edits 00:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that's what I'd expect. I'll fix the entry. kwami (talk) 00:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation dubious 

message: It needs to say "Lost characters".
This depends on Template:Infobox Character, which is protected. It's not too hard to add an optional plural argument to the template. If that's not doable, then a different infobox should be used here. XpdN (talk) 04:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox says "Lost character" 

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message: Refering to this version of the article.
I find that this article is showing its age (promoted in 2007) and does not rise to the current FA criteria. If it were put through the FA process today, it would immediately fail with just a quick glance at the sources. 9 of 44 references in this article (3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 15, 20) are to wikipedia articles on Lost episodes (WP:CIRCULAR) - that's 20% of the sources right in the trash. Then I find gems such as number 19 (Yet Another Useless Website), number 25 (Celebritywonder.com), number 27 (rodrigo-santoro.com!!), number 29 (comingsoon.net), number 30 (losttv-forum.com), number 34 (buddytv.com), number 36 (tvsquad.com) and my personal favorite, number 42, a blatant random blog. Many of these are dead; I replaced some of them with archives before I stopped and took a wide look at the article on the whole. These are not reliable sources. These are outright unacceptable sources for an FA.
Then, there's the whole issue of this article having been promoted as an article solely on Paulo. In the FA candidacy, it was vaguely suggested that Nikki should be merged into this article, an idea that did not gather much consensus in my view. And now it's an article on both.
So I will give some time to the watchers of this page to pull the article sourcing to an acceptable standard. If no one shows interest or if the task proves to be too troubling, then I'm afraid WP: FAR will have to be considered. RetiredDuke (talk) 14:59, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA standard