Talk:Otago

message: The "North from Macrae's Road, Otago, New Zealand" photo is a perfect example of HDR/Photoshop gone horribly wrong.  Do such things belong on Wikipedia?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.255.154 (talk) 22:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Terrible HDR photo

message: This is the first time I've ever seen this flag for Otago.  Is it an historical one?  Where did the picture come from?  Is there a link anywhere?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Auccl799 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag

message: Is there a verifiable source that we can find to say that Otago's wines are excellent quality and that the extreme climate is a factor? Not that I doubt it, I don't, but verifiability and POV and all that Kahuroa 19:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both of the following sites are (understandably) POV, being commercial sites, but they do list a lot of international awards won by Central's wines:  . Perhaps something can be weaved into the text to make it less POV...? Grutness...wha? 00:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about this link along those lines but from a more independent news source: . Calls Central 'New Zealand’s leading pinot noir region' Kahuroa 00:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, that looks useful. Grutness...wha? 01:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wines - POV?

message: "Otago also appears as a street name in Whittlesey near Peterborough in England. There is Otago road and Otago Close. There is a mystery as to why this small fenland town should choose this name for two of its streets.
Also, the College of Piping in Glasgow, Scotland, is situated in the city's Otago Street. But, considering Otago's Scottish roots and New Zealand's strong piping tradition, this comes as no great surprise."
This has no place in this article, surely. Any objections to deleting it? Aaadddaaammm 05:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Peterborough? 

message: Just thought i would mention that the map of otago kind of looks like africa!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.247.93 (talk) 05:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Otago looks like africa 

message: This came up about 6 months ago, where I found the description of the daily to weekly weather patterns in terms of the Southern Oscillation misleading. It was clarified, so that I now understand what is meant by the section. I am still unsure, however, about how the SO "produces an irregular short cycle of weather which repeats roughly every week" - perhaps a citation or link to a more in depth explanation would be appropriate? What does the SO have to do with it? Is this common knowledge? I'm throwing this to the talk pages because NZ climatology is not my specialty, but I would be interested in seeing more information added. Ovis23 (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... Seems on further examination that I've been confused by two distinct uses of the term Southern Oscillation. The usual meaning seems to refer to the El Niño/La Niña cycle - but there's a common use of the term to describe someting which I can't seem to find any other name for either on line or in hard resources that i have on hand -a regular barometric pattern which travels east around the globe approximately between 40°S and 50°S, driven by the circumpolar westerlies. This pattern, which consists of a series of high-pressure anticyclones separated by troughs, passes over southern New Zealand, repeating roughly once per week, leading to alternating warm, dry winds from the northwest for several days followed by cold, wet winds from the southwest for roughly the same period. It isn't caused by the El Niño/La Niña cycle; it is caused by a different pattern also known (locally at least) as the Southern Oscillation, for which I don't know any other name. Some small amounts of reference to this pattern can be found at  and . Grutness...wha? 23:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah - okay. In work in South America, we've referred to that same phenomenon as the 'southern hemisphere storm track.' There are some good descriptions in the opening pages of Trenberth 1991 (Storm Track in the Southern Hemisphere, Am. Met. Soc.) and Hoskins and Hodges, 2005 (A New Perspective on Southern Hemisphere Storm Tracks, J. of Climate). Both are available online. Assuming that this is the same thing (sounds like it), I suggest that we either change the terminology on the page, or that we at least make it very clear that this weekly oscillation is distinct from ENSO. Thanks for the info! Ovis23 (talk) 19:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Is there an article on the S.H.S.T.? If not, there probably should be. Grutness...wha? 23:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Southern Oscillation

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Northland Region which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 22:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: Now that this article is about Otago itself, and not the Otago Region, is it really necessary to have all the Otago Region paraphernalia - info-boxes, etc. - at the start of the article? Daveosaurus (talk) 05:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The topic of the article has not changed, just the title—it's still about the region. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why doesn't it say so? It now says it's about Otago, which is just as likely to refer to Otago Province. This should be a disambiguation page, with the article at Otago Region - the region's official name - where it belongs. The current name can only be massively confusing. Note that the vast majority of articles relating to the area also have "Otago Region" as part of their names (as - until this name-change went through  - did all the categories). This has also thrown a major spanner in the works as far as uniformity is concerned, since all other New Zealand regions use "Region" as part of their article and category names. Grutness...wha? 08:28, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current region is the primary meaning. Any confusion can easily be dealt with by a disambiguation hat. I haven't claimed that the article is in perfect or ideal shape—of course it can be worked on and improved. The above discussion was one of a series of discussions for all of the NZ region articles—we tried a unified discussion, but the general feeling was that to take these one-at-a-time would be preferable. This just happens to be one of the first ones that was discussed. I also don't think there's a need for all the region articles to have uniformity in naming. In some cases, such as "Otago", the name is the primary meaning. For others, such as Wellington Region, it will not be, so the latter will have to be disambiguated in some form or another. At least we're having formal discussions about these now. There is a long history of users just moving the region articles to names that they think would be good without a general WP:RM having been conducted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly isn't a clear primary meaning - both Otago Region and Otago Provice are regularly described as being Otago, and by having the article at the heading Otago you will inevitably get edits which relate to both, which a hatnote will not fix. Grutness...wha? 23:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Well, I think one performs various google searches and scans the results, one would find that most sources that use "Otago" are referring to the region, not the old province. That would make it primary usage, in my view. The university is also "regularly described as being Otago", as are the rugby and cricket teams, but that doesn't mean that they are necessarily the primary meaning. If you think the article should be renamed, I suppose you could start another WP:RM. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:25, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wouldn't consider either Otago Region or Otago Province to be within a bull's roar of the primary meaning of Otago - if anything, the primary meaning would be the (not well defined) general Otago area rather than the Region (which omits areas generally thought of as being in Otago, such as Kurow, Otematata and Omarama) or the Province (which includes areas generally not thought of as being in Otago, such as Wyndham, Waikaia and Papatotara). The existence of a Region as a particular layer of local government is why the word 'region' should not be used to describe the general area - as the only difference between the two concepts is the capitalisation, if used when not required it leads to ambiguity. Daveosaurus (talk) 05:56, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think distinguishing between the administrative region and the general area is not one that should be bothered with in terms of having separate Wikipedia articles. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:21, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick question 

message: The United Kingdom is a sovereign state. England and Scotland are not sovereign states. Wikipedia pages list in population statistics the nation state of foreign-born citizens, not states, provinces, regions, etc. It is both in keeping with Wikipedia's own standards and nationality that the United Kingdom be kept as the birthplace of foreign-born residents of Otago. To remove the United Kingdom sets a cumbersome new precedent that would logically also lead to the break-up of Australia, China, and another nation states into their sub-national categories. Twistedpiper (talk) 07:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: Please either undo or shift to geography section if you don't like it. I can edit it in any way either on or off Wikipedia (it is Location map many friendly). If you hate it get rid of it, it is a work in progress (made for History of the Otago Region). Old map "Position of Otago.png"Dushan Jugum (talk) 20:06, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New map 

message: "... the name of the Māori village near the entrance to the harbour." What harbour? Which harbour? The text should explain to someone who is not from the area. Shenme (talk) 19:01, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed? After a quick look I think the page might not know if it is about the Otago Region, Provence or metaphysical concept. Dushan Jugum (talk) 20:20, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where? Which?