Talk:Main Page/Archive 40

message: Factual correction for pic of the day for July 17 of Canyon de Chelly - it's a National Monument, not a National Park. 
I know this must have been asked before, but why isn't the Picture of the day featured on the Main Page?  RMoloney 7 July 2005 00:07 (UTC)
*Good gracious, please put the pic of the day front and center on the main page.--Muchosucko 7 July 2005 00:45 (UTC)
**I have previously suggested replacing Did-you-know and putting the Featured picture of the day there. Did-you-know is generally (a) very badly maintained (nobody really cares about it, thus nobody takes the time to make it look good), and (b) we've actually gotten complaints from people who expected better articles, instead of the ones that we have there (which are usually only a couple of paragraphs long). →Raul654 July 7, 2005 01:16 (UTC)
***I'd prefer if more space could be allocated for links for browsing the encyclopedia (something along the lines of de's version). - Fredrik | talk 7 July 2005 01:20 (UTC)
*** To Raul: Hear, hear. DYK is rarely interesting and doesn't show off our best work. — Dan | Talk 7 July 2005 01:22 (UTC)
***I've always liked the Did you know section. OF course some of the articles are less than deserving but others are excellent and should be featured on the main page. I believe that the Pic of the Day is best on the Community Portal. The exact same discussion has been taking place about putting the COTWs on the main page. The more we add the more cluttered the main page gets and it becomes less desirable. That is why I oppose both. Falphin 7 July 2005 01:24 (UTC)
****First, you have to recognize that our main page is for readers while the community portal is for contributors. Thus, on the main page, we want to put our best content forward. COTWs are (by the very definition of what a COTW is designed to do) *not* our best content; did you know is *not* our best content -- the featured articles and featured pics *are* our best content, which is why they should be on the main page. I agree that the main page is already too cluttered, which is why I advocate replacing one section with another (instead of adding one). →Raul654 July 7, 2005 01:27 (UTC)
*****Thanks for your response. 1. COTWs often become our best content. Placing the COTW or last weeks COTW would get the articles attention. 2. The Community Portal is for viewers and users alike or else it wouldn't be placed under the navigation bar. 3. The mainpage doensn't have to have the best content but useful and imformative content which DYKs are. 4. Featured pics are interesting and possibly useful  but I don't consider them imformative. 5. I am thankful that you agree the main page is too cluttered. :) Falphin 7 July 2005 02:09 (UTC)
*It has been too long since Main Page got shaken up. Picture of the Day is worth a shot. -- Cyrius|✎ 7 July 2005 01:48 (UTC)
I've created a demo page here -- User:Raul654/temp, where I replaced DYK with a slightly modified version of the featured pic template (located at User:Raul654/temp2). I'd like to hear what you guys think (feel free to tweak it). →Raul654 July 7, 2005 03:25 (UTC)
Picture of the day must be overhauled if the module is placed on the front page.  We certainly can't present dull diagrams to all visitors - the selection process must look for the most eye catching material possible.  lots of issues  | leave me a message 7 July 2005 03:46 (UTC)
:Well, the template will obviously have to be overhauled, but I would think that's a fairly trivial issue. And yes, I agree that diagrams and graphs don't make good main page pics. →Raul654 July 7, 2005 04:10 (UTC)
::I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like the idea of moving DYK (full disclosure: I've had two images, one self-nominated, rejected as featured pictures). I really like DYK for a few reasons. One, motivation. When I start a new article, the prospect of getting it on the main page for a few hours helps to motivate me to quickly develop it beyond stub level or make it "complete", and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Two, it highlights the wide variety of articles Wikipedia has. I find it more interesting than the "random page" feature, as you'll get something with at least a bit of content, and it's neat just to see what various topics Wikipedia is covering. And finally, it really emphasizes the incredible and unique growth of this project. Any web site or encyclopedia can have articles of the day or pictures of the day, regardless of how old that content is, whether or not they reuse items (I know we don't, but there's no way to make it obvious). But the DYK section is unique, as it illustrates that new articles are continually being added. It's great to visit the Main Page during the day and see new articles continually being written.
::If it comes down to it, I'd rather see the selected anniversaries section go—I don't think I even glance at that section, but I realize from the comments here that that section is probably more important to others. I actually am not a big fan of the current featured picture process—I don't think it's very analagous to promoting featured articles. I feel that there is too much emphasis on beauty and shock and not enough on being an outstanding illustration for an encyclopedia. Anyway I'm getting off topic and I have an article to write. — Knowledge Seeker দ 7 July 2005 06:32 (UTC)
:::I share much of what Knowledge Seeker has said above. I would also want "interesting" facts from "older" articles also be included in the DYK section as I feel that "interestingness" should be the main criterion for that section. -- Sundar \talk \contribs July 7, 2005 06:38 (UTC)
:Well I currently manage the Pic of the Day template and also do a fair bit to steer WP:FP and promote closed nominations. In the past I've resisted putting POTD on the main page, in part because I think DYK does a good job in encouraging new articles, but also because we didn't have sufficient reserve of Featured Pictures. DYK must have been very important a few years ago when Wikipedia had big holes in major topics. I doubt there will ever be an end to the flow of new articles, but it is true that they are become more obscure and less relevant to the general reader. Meanwhile we have a vast number of articles which are not illustrated at all, and many major topics that only have poor pictures. Raising the profile of POTD by putting it on the main page is likely to be a good way of further encouraging people to contribute good pictures. I also applaud COTW, and reserving say a Monday morning slot on the front page for last week's COTW also sounds like a good idea.
:However, the new argument that persuades me here is Raul654's comment that the 'main page is for readers while the community portal is for contributors'. I'm sure it is not that black and white, but there is some truth to it. I don't know whether anyone has measured the ratio of readers to contributors, but I've always assumed it was around 10:1 and we often don't consider the needs of our readers enough. As Wikipedia matures, putting our best material on display is plausibly more important than stimulating new articles. And POTD is likely to be more effective than DYK at hooking the coffee break visitor and getting them interested in contributing. -- Solipsist 7 July 2005 08:09 (UTC)
::As someone who spent a good deal of time taking photographs for Wikipedia and getting two rejected as featured pictures, WP:FP has lessened my interest for providing images. But you are right that it would be beneficial to feature our high-quality pictures on the Main Page, to draw in readers. I'd still say that "Selected Anniversaries" could go, as I don't think it really serves readers or editors very well: it didn't capture my interest in the slightest before I started editing Wikipedia, and it certainly doesn't motivate me to do anything now. — Knowledge Seeker দ 7 July 2005 08:36 (UTC)
*By nature, a lot of people are vain and the thought of having an article they created on the front page is something that undoubtedly draws in new contributors. Not everyone has access to great photographic equipment to submit images. Maybe DYK needs to be changed to focus more on interestingness than anything else, but I think that any big change like this needs to be straw polled to get a feel of what the community thinks. Personally, I'd prefer the ITN section gone instead of expanded as someone else suggested. We're not a news service, so I don't see a good reason in featured articles on subjects recently in the news. They will receive enough hits and interest from people who look it up anyway. 
Note: Yes, I'm biased. I'd hate to see my work for DYK disappear. Instead of complaining it's badly maintained, people should help out. If I'm away over the weekend, sometimes no one did a thing. That should change. - Mgm|(talk) July 7, 2005 10:07 (UTC)
*Maybe we could make it into a contest as well. See what people want on the main page and give the page an overhaul using those items. I've seen a great main page in Itilian and DYK could be a interesting factoid as in the Dutch wikipedia. Of course, that would add another "Did you know article candidates" page, cause we can't let the choice depend on one person... Mgm|(talk) July 7, 2005 10:23 (UTC)
**DYK doesn't have to disappear. It could for example go to the Community portal page. In fact we could also consider sprucing up the Community portal page to make it more of a front page for editors. -- Solipsist 7 July 2005 11:13 (UTC)
***Moving DYK to the community portal would be a death sentence - consider how few candidates are submitted currently as a front page module.  lots of issues  | leave me a message 8 July 2005 03:57 (UTC)
*Perhaps the idea of featuring PotD should be tabled until the software is changed to allow images to link to their related article, rather than to the images own page.  It's incredibly unintuitive. Cigarette 7 July 2005 13:19 (UTC)
**I would agree with that. Most of the general readers would click on the featured image expecting to get to the related article. -- Solipsist 7 July 2005 18:01 (UTC)
Someone needs to fix the front page's picture of David Helgard.
*Two things, I reject to the objection over "boring diagrams". Some articles are boring to some people yet we feature them and put them on the front page. Any picture which can pass the FPC process should be allowed to be on the front page [if any are allowed ont he front page]. I do see two other problems though (sorry I didn't read most of the above comments). Some pictures, like panoramas, are of a very strange shape or orientation. These won't fit into a regularly shaped box. Also we don't have enough pictures promoted  per week yet to feature one picture a day with no repeats. We might have to do one a week or somthing similar. This link is Broken 13:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I totaly agree that diagrams should also be featured (if anything they need more encouragement) and we have some excellent examples. Pictures with awkward aspect ratios such as panoramas, along with animated gifs that can't scale, would have to be skipped for the front page. Or an alternative solution found, such as showing a detail or still frame with a link to the full pic. -- Solipsist 10:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

text: I like the idea of rotating them: perhaps DYK on weekdays, pic of the day on weekends. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 14:35, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

text: I'd just like to concur with this - DYK is sometimes a little shoddy in what gets put forward, but on the whole it's a good motivation to create something and make it worthwhile. The fact that most major topics are covered already also tends to make it endearingly quirky... Shimgray 01:29, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic Of The Day 

message: I wanted to tweak the In the news bit today that tried to precis the London bombing. But, I can't edit the page. User:Mgm advised me the page needed to be protected because of previous vandalism. Fine. So, delete from the Main Page,"Welcome to Wikipedia, the free-content encyclopedia that anyone can edit". 
Okay, so what was my intention? Well I wanted to change the following
*"A series of terrorist attacks in London leads to the closure of the London Underground during the start of the G8 summit. At least 37 are confirmed dead with hundreds wounded. The attacks came less than a day after London won its bid to host the 2012 Summer Olympics
::::::: TO 
* "A series of terrorist attacks in London led to the closure of the London Underground. At least 38 are confirmed dead with hundreds wounded. The attacks came during the start of the G8 summit and less than a day after London won its bid to host the 2012 Summer Olympics".
Never mind. Moriori July 8, 2005 09:31 (UTC)
*Well, the established style of that section is to write in the present tense anyway.  Generally, you can edit anything except what goes on the main page; if you stay with us for a while, show good edits and become an administrator, you can edit that too.  Advice on the wording of news items should go on Template talk:In the news.  If you want to propose a new news item that goes on Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates.--Pharos 8 July 2005 09:43 (UTC)
*don't get hysterical just because the ITN template is protected. It's still true that anyone can edit the encyclopedia. nowhere do we claim that every single page can be edited, but the vast majority (99.95%?) can. And your edits can naturally also be reverted by anybody if they are considered inappropriate, that comes with the deal. dab (ᛏ) 8 July 2005 10:00 (UTC)
::Hysterical? I could point you towards numerous statements made by excellent editors who left wiki disillusioned after receiving childish reactions, (among other things),  such as your hysterical. It might help if you - as an admin - read User:RickK's parting message. Do you think malactor is a lovely word? Moriori 22:29, July 9, 2005 (UTC)
::* Just wanna say I choose to continue the work despite the flaws. Nothing is perfect.  The world around us even less perfect, anyway. Wish RickK would return soon ..... -- 64.229.206.179 06:04, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Did You Know has listed the day for the flower London Pride as July 27. In tribute to the resilient spirit of the people of London, I have set an Observance for the Selected Anniversary on July 27th to include the day for the flower London Pride. Ancheta Wis 20:02, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete the bit that boasts"Welcome to Wikipedia, the free-content encyclopedia that anyone can edit". It isn't true!!!!

message: Is it just me or is the Wikipedia logo missing on the language selection page? --Ixfd64 06:32, 2005 July 10 (UTC)
It's just you. --cactuar12 18:47, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing logo on "main" main page? 

message: I noticed today that the Tagalog Wikipedia, at , now has 1035 articles, so that list should be updated to include it now. --Idont Havaname 20:24, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated. - BanyanTree 21:35, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagalog Wikipedia over 1000 articles 

message: The officially recognized birthday of the USMC is November 10. The related article does say that July 11 is the technically true date, but no one observes that fact as relevant. Bornyesterday 02:16, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
: It's now off the Main Page. -- 64.229.206.179 04:42, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: US Marine Corps Birthday

message: *1405 - Chinese explorer Zheng He commanded a fleet of 317 ships with his first voyage. 
There is no mention of this selected anniversary in the Zheng He article. The word 'July' is not found at all. Can someone confirm the date, please ? Thanks. -- 64.229.206.179 04:32, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  selected anniversary: Zheng He  

message: dose global warming exist. the scientist of the united states are split evenly like a 50 50 kind of thing so get me real proff that it does or doesent exist if you find real info on it or have done a project on it before i need stuff for a debate in summer school send it to taraa16@iwon.com please i need help on this debate
: Just read the article on Global warming, okay ? -- 64.229.5.159 14:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  global warming 

message: Re: Regular contributors and/or administrators, please take part in this survey.  
Should this be on our MainPage ? The Community Portal may be more appropriate. --64.229.5.159 16:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved to Recent Changes. - Mailer Diablo 16:14, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Indeed. Administrators should be warned strongly against putting anything on the Main Page without prior discussion. — Dan | Talk 16:28, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I could add a HTML comment saying that to the Main Page, but I will not do it without prior discussion. --cesarb 16:33, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A link to an external survey on the Main Page ? 

message: OK, how's about we remove the annoying banner now? Nelson Ricardo 18:26, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
:Normally this text would appear at MediaWiki:Sitenotice, which is blank at the moment. I would remove it, but I don't know where it's coming from. — Dan | Talk 18:58, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Elections for the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation are complete. 

message: Helen Merrill is referred to as "he" in the "Did you know?" section. Calsicol 16:49, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The typo is still there. Can anyone with sysop powers take care of this, please ? BTW, does the word 'legendary' on that line seem a little POV ? -- 64.229.7.92 18:32, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the "He" is referring to Quincy Jones.  Read it again.  --Kbdank71 18:35, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Whoops ! You're right ! -- 64.229.7.92 18:37, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Gender error

message: On the news item refering to Leeds the second "Leeds" is not linked. Small I know, but I noticed it.
Dom24 21:00, 14 July 2005 (GMT)
*I actually edited it so there is only one appearance of "Leeds"; having "Leeds" twice is awkward and unnecessary.--Pharos 20:34, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Small error

message: "Khash is a traditional Armenian dish from the Shirak region which has cow's feet as it's main ingredient?"
The word "it's" should not have an apostrophe.  Admin?  Admin?  Bueller?
:All has been done as you desire. - BanyanTree 14:27, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Grammatical "Oops" 

message: Has there ever been a consideration to adding business on the main categories line of the front page.  There is a nicely growing amount of information that falls under the general topic business from the companies list to explanation of many topics that are business related.
:Nah, browsing links aren't taken seriously.  Consider the categories chosen already as window dressing.  lots of issues  | leave me a message 16:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What can we do to make those category links better for the readers and editors? Ancheta Wis 17:25, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Actually, you have options; it is possible to put a business portal icon up which could be linked to on the existing category portal pages, such as :Category:Culture, :Category:Personal life, :Category:society, :Category:Technology. Do you have a portal for business? Ancheta Wis 17:11, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have put links to Business and :category:Business in a special topics seciton in :Category:Culture. Ancheta Wis 17:26, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Those who wish to put Business and :category:Business are probably best served by creating a business portal which will  then be displayed by a second click from any of the 8 main categories on the Main Page. Interested parties on such support, please respond on Category Browse talk page Ancheta Wis 17:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Business on the Main Categories Line 

message: Someone probably noticed by now, but I've updated DYK to show today's FP because there was a lack of suggestions this morning. As noted, I plan on rotating FP (on weekends) and DYK (on weekdays) for awhile to see if it works. Hope you like it. - Mgm|(talk) 06:10, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
:I didn't notice this discussion 'til I saw the FP and feared that my favourite part of the wiki had fallen into oblivion. Just in addition to the discussion above, I like DYK because (a) I've learned some really interesting things through it that I never would have found otherwise and (b) I find it really useful for attracting editors to do a once-over of a new contribution. Sorry to hear you're so overloaded MGM, I'll try to drop by and help out, and with a bit of luck we can win back those who think its boring. Anyways, I'm just glad to hear DYK will be back on Monday. -Lommer | talk 06:32, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree this is  good compromise. FPs are really pretty, but DYK has its merits (attracting people to new/underdevelopped articles) 82.152.188.147 07:41, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  FP rotation test run 

message: Just floating the idea of small boxes on the side of articles listing cross-references by other articles. This would be an interesting way to direct readers through the encyclopedia. This kind of feature could be created automatically by search engines, kind of like how Amazon.com suggests other articles you may be interested in, but with less privacy concerns.
*Please see 'What links here' right below the search box.  Is that what you mean?--Pharos 04:18, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Have we ever considered search-based page links? 

message: Left side empty space opens up.  It should be used for something.  lots of issues  | leave me a message 07:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Trim the old news about the London bombing off ITN and the blank space will be gone. -- 64.229.228.244 21:31, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let there be no white space 

message: This will probably need to be discussed later on at the Meta-Wiki pages (or the software-related discussion pages), but I have a new idea for a main page layout, or something possibly to be used elsewhere as well (sparingly, ie. in article series templates) - that is, to be able to make images the background part of a particular section, with borders. 
Perhaps it will be like this, with a template perhaps for possibly unsightly code..., or possibly split into two templates (for beginning it and ending it) - basically, making a piece of text bordered and within a certain size, and within that border, a background image. Possibly, the background image would be unaltered, but it could be manually (or perhaps automatically) be scaled down in saturation and luminosity for contrast purposes. This would be quite useful for the main page. You have all these dramatic articles, but only with thumbnails....the featured article perhaps, would be able thus to get one of it's best pictures to be put at the background of the "Featured article" section, and with the proper modifications to let the text be easily readable...(transparency might help here)...and can be used for other parts of the main page at will. This especially comes from seeing :Image:German Troops In Warsaw.jpg being so highly dramatic, but being reduced to a mere thumbnail on the front page! Hence, my idea. -- Natalinasmpf 01:06, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you talking about something like the background images on the Homestar Runner Wiki's Main Page? -- Cyrius|✎ 01:58, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, somewhat like that. Is it possible to do it in Wikipedia? -- Natalinasmpf 04:29, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think there's a way to automatically desaturate the images in HTML/CSS, and getting code written to do it for us seems like overkill. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:33, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Check out my user page here. You are able to specify your own CSS style so you can do something like that, but to push this out for everybody shouldn't be that difficult either.--Will2k 03:12, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
The thumbnail that sparked this could easily be made bigger without sacrificing too much room, even on small displays. The background idea to me sounds like a way of making an image even less visible. And it's also not really appropriate to stick images in the background when they actually matter (as opposed to just being decoration). There's quite a difference between having a thumbnail of marching stormtroopers and using it as a background, stylistically. That's without considering what this will do to color blind users and users with non-desktop browsers or settings that (sensibly?) ignore background images. Wrong solution to the problem, IMO. 81.58.51.131 11:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New layout idea

message: Maybe there ought to be a link to the Wikiportal page directly from the Main Page.  It would be just as useful as the 8 Categories at the top or the "other schemes".--Theodore Kloba 22:32, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
:The main page is already too cluttered as it is. No more links, please. →Raul654 02:16, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
::Just a reminder to everyone that clicking the Browse Wikipedia link on the Main Page will display a menu of Main Page Wikiportals, as well as a menu of Categories. Clicking the Wikiportal link at the top of any Wikiportal page will get you to the comprehensive list of Wikiportals.   Also the Article Overviews on the Main Page will display a link to Browse Wikipedia so you can always get to a Wikiportal menu from these two Main Page links. Ancheta Wis 23:36, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Wikiportal]] 

message: On the homepage it says that Canada legalized same-sex marriage "upon the consent of the acting head of state, Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin". This is plain wrong! Beverley McLachlin is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, she is also a member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, but she is NOT the acting head of state! The Canadian Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II, with the Governor General representing her. Chief Justice McLachlin was acting in behalf of the Governor General, but not as the Governor General who is sometimes refered to as the defacto head of state, but never the acting head of state. Please change this, it's very misleading! 
--Mb1000 03:12, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  MISTAKE! 

message: It should mention that Beverley McLaughlin provided consent on behalf of the Queen of Canada. --24.77.35.110 03:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Now things have swung the other way; the current wording implies that McLaughlin was acting in a judicial capacity to "approve" it in that way. If all she did was sign it, I'm not sure she should be mentioned at all; but if she is, it should be clear that signing it was all she did. (Not only didn't McLaughlin judicially approve it, she didn't even theoretically approve it! Clarkson did that, no matter whose signature is on it.) Doops |  talk 05:45, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, is the new revised wording OK?--Pharos 05:53, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Yes, it's better; but I still think the "chief justice" tag is a bit of a red herring — according to her article, she's currently doubling as "Queen's Administrator" while the GG is sick. Doops |  talk 08:57, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same-Sex marriage in Canada 

message: Shouldn't it be "a series of explosions HITS London?"
:Corrected.  Thank you. smoddy 16:57, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar Error 

message: The bottom of the left margin (left-hand column) has gone unused. For the main page, it would make sense to list sister projects there instead of the very bottom of the page. This would make them more prominent--which in my opinion it should be. It took me a week after discovering them to figure out how to reach them directly. Davilla 05:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout: Sister Projects 

message: please can someone remove the allegations about Antonio_Martorell's whereabouts on 7/7 from the Did You Know section. This quasi-anecdote no longer exists in the article because it is profoundly non-notable. It makes no sense to keep it on the front page. --81.154.236.221 23:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. Not only is it entirely irrelevant---the anecdote doesn't even claim that this non-notable "artist" was anywhere /near/ the sites of the terrorist attacks, and even if he were, it isn't as if we're talking about someone that people have heard of or care about---but you will note that the factual accuracy of the article on this painter is disputed. It looks like the "artist" himself, or more likely some blank-eyed and blank-minded supporter, put this crap on the Main Page to try to get hits on his website. Hey, my friend was watching the television news about the attacks this morning---can he get a link to his rock band's website? (This is worse than people uploading photos of their cookie-cutter hipster-whore girlfriends to the Wikipedia images collection. See the aforementioned poseur-skank in Image:Alliepurple.jpg. You're a true individual, Allie, just like the 50 million other people with facial piercings who get their iPod playlists from emo weblogs. So rebellious and original! OOOOH!) 138.88.200.140 00:11, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: sir, you appear to have ranted --81.154.236.221 00:20, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove antonio martorell from DYK 

message: Quote
:The legalization of same-sex marriage in Canada is officially signed into law by Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin.
I believe this statement is incorrect. Judges do not usually inact law - they interpret law and they definantly do not sign laws into being (that is the legislative branch's duty to make and sign laws into being). I believe it should be that Governor General Adrienne Clarkson signed the bill into law. --ShaunMacPherson 05:39, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small error in the page 

message: After reading all the above discussion related to replacing DYK with POTD, it seems like a number of users want DYK to stick around, but the problem seems to be that there isn't enough material available to keep DYK well stocked with good articles, and in addition, some users have expressed disinterest with selected anniversaries.  So why not combine the two and give Picture of the day a permanent spot on the main page?  I've set up an example of what the lower half of the main page might look like under this proposed layout.  It would involve putting only 2-3 DYKs and 2-3 SAs on the main page instead of the 4-6 of each.  Comments? --Spangineer (háblame) 04:27, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
:Expand Selected Anniversaries (perhaps with birthdays) on the left, and shrink DYK & ITN on the right, then you'll get some space on the lower right corner on the Main Page for POTD, too. -- 64.229.177.18 05:08, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combine DYK and Selected Anniversaries 

message: Loitzendorf is a small village on the highest mountain (Jauerling) of the Wachau valley in Lower Austria.
: So ? What does this have to do with the Main Page ? -- 65.95.106.28 14:27, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loitzendorf 

message: Could someone remove the image of the 100 yuan bill from the top of "in the news"? It is an odd juxtaposition with the Sharm el-Sheikh bombing story. - Nat Krause 07:35, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What would you suggest to use as a replacement ? I've been looking for one since yesterday .... How about Lance Armstrong here ? Not right now, though. (pls see below on Tour de France) -- 65.95.106.28 14:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "In the news" image

message: Lance Armstrong is on his way to win his 7th consecutive Tour de France today, after three weeks of racing this July.  This is a major, major moment in sporting history.  Lance announced his retirement, and it's not likely anyone will win 7 straight again.  How about a minor mention, eh?
: Wait till the end of the 2005 Tour de France bike race, Current events and the relevant pages are updated, then Lance Armstrong should be mentioned on ITN ... (see above for a suggested picture) -- 65.95.106.28 14:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like now ? Please see the ITN candidates' page for a suggested blurb and pic. Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 18:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tour de France 

message: Let's use a little care when shortening article leads for MPFA inclusion.  "Unusually long length" -- urgh.  This doesn't appear in any recent version of the actual article.  If an article needs substantive changes/clarifications it shouldn't be an MPFA in the first place. Jgm 13:39, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey Jude precis 

message: We could use more additions to the H5N1 page. How about putting it one the front page on the news section? There is a great Wikinews article. Russia found it's first case this week too. In fact I would bet the H5N1 news story will be the most important next to terrorism in the first half of the twenty first century. And our current article sucks! :) We need to draw some attention to it. See the Wikinews article:  70.57.82.114 00:07, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: H5N1

message: Can someone with sysop powers change "indentify" to "identify", please ?  A link to the Metropolitan Police Service page would be nice, too.  Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 00:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for fixing it so quickly, Raul654. -- 199.71.174.100 00:33, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo on ITN 

message: It seems to be policy to protect images on the main page - if so, could an admin reading this please protect :Image:BleriotDI11G1.jpg? Not that it's been vandalised, but it's going to be there for a day... Shimgray 00:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image protection 

message: Ok, so stupid me, but I have to do this. Lets take this down to such a basic level that even I understand.
*Three doors and I pick one of them. 
*Monty, by the rules, gets the other two doors.
:*Forget this step as Monty will always reveal a goat door whether he has one or two goats thus this step makes no difference. In "magic" performance this would be called misdirection as it has nothing to do with the outcome but it will distract you. The hidden rule is that Monty will never open a car door (this is what throws some folks off the trail) - Monty doesn't make a random selection; he knows what is behind every door after all so why bother with this step at all.
*So now, would you trade your one door selection for Monty's two door leftovers or not (remembering that he hasn't even gone to the trouble of opening a (for sure) goat door).
:*n.b.: My youngish grandchildren all elected to switch.
Respectfully, hydnjo talk 21:18, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The above is just one of the edits (of about a hundred on it's WP:FA day of glory.. There is a troll bait attraction to screw-around with our WP:FA. Just take a look and you will see what I mean. I'm suggesting that the WP:FA be locked only during it's WP:FA time. A nice and fluffy template could, I'm confident, be designed to explain the page block for that 24 hour period. Hopefully, hydnjo talk   04:19, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, this is harmless. If there ever were real problems during the period on the Main Page, it would be very clear which version to revert to. I think it's a bad precedent to start protecting new types of pages. We mustn't have 'protection creep'; this would hurt our credibility as an open project.--Pharos 04:29, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: One More Time

message: I find that old news is still there. the chinese currency news could be replaced by the quake in andamans. --Idleguy 07:55, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
: Someone has to write the article first, and add it to Current events, and ... We don't just post headlines on 'In The News'. -- 64.229.225.240 16:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Instead of the earthquake, how about the calling of the New Zealand general election 2005 ? I've added it to the ITN Candidates' page. -- 199.71.174.100 01:44, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update the news section regularly 

message: Can we have a less emotive word than "slain" in the news section reference to the Stockwell shooting?  "Slain" is a loaded word which is likely to be inflammatory.  It's not NPOV by any stretch of the imagination.  The shooting was a tragic mistake but Wikipedia does not have to (and should not) fan the flames.
I agree. Was about to make this point myself but youve already said it. --Timmywimmy 16:13, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV, news section 

message: I created this page to make it easier for newcomers to know about the goings-on in wikipedia. This is through personal experience; as a newbie it took me 1 week to find the help desk, and I only found out what an FA was in about three months. I think it would be nice if we had a wikipedia:directory link from the main page, so newbies have a better grasp of the goings-on. And yes, it isn't a complete list, please feel free to add any locations of interest. Borisblue 13:13, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice. Seems more friendly than the Community Portal. -- 64.229.225.240 17:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:DIR]]

message: News entries on the main page and in Current Events are not linked. They are entered separately, and often main page entries do not appear in the current events. Idealy the main page entries should be the "most important" news entries from the current events, so there should be a way to link the 2 together so they are consistant. Elfguy 12:21, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: News entries

message: News blurb reads "...beginning the first U.S. spaceflight since the...". Should be "...beginning the first manned U.S. spaceflight since the..." or "...beginning the first U.S. spaceflight with a human crew since the..." --agr 20:35, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Went with "...U.S. human spaceflight..." as that is the article for spaceflight involving a human crew. Evil Monkey∴Hello 21:15, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: STS-114

message: Please remove the wikilink from Incompetence in the News blurb concerning Jean de Menezes.  It doesn't link to what you think it does.  Sheldrake 02:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incompetence 

message: Today is the anniversary of the end of the Korean war, I think it deserves to be in selected anniversaries.--204.138.115.3 15:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that it is very strange it wasn't on Selected Anniversaries. I will modify the July 27 template so it appears next year (only 364 days to wait!). Evil Monkey∴Hello 00:36, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean War