Talk:BSA Rocket 3/Triumph Trident

message: As a member of the TR3OC and the Triumph Owners Club UK, I nor either of the secretaries/historians have ever heard of a possible number of greater than 30,000 models being produced. I am very sure on the records being poor, as my own Trident T150V was supposed to be (according to the official factory records) shipped to Sweden - where as, it ended up in South London! Interesting series of correspondence between myself and the Triumph Owners club historian, who took copies of all my machines original paper work. Who ever dabbed in 33,330 needs their head examined and to stop listening to their mates down the pub, and remember the numbers need back-up - particularly on Wiki as an encyclopaedia! Rgds, - Trident13 04:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of machines produced

message: As part of the Motorcycling WikiProject I am working though all the missing articles and stubs for British Bikes.  To make things easier to sort out I have created a category for British motorcycles.   Please will you add to any British motorcycle pages you find or create.  It will also help to keep things organised if you use the Template:Infobox Motorcycle or add it where it is missing.  I've linked the Category to the Commons British Motorcycles so you could help with matching pics to articles or adding the missing images to the Commons - take your camera next time you go to a rally!  Thanks Tony (talk) 13:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, this and other articles should be categorized according to the guidelines in Wikipedia:Categorization. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Category for British Motorcycles 

message: First of all, "true" superbike is pure POV. The word "true" in any Wikipedia article merely conveys how strident a Wikipedia editor was in their opinion, and should be removed unless it can be specifically attributed to a reputable source. And it would help if the source can tell us where they're getting their definition of a "true" superbike.
A majority of sources credit the Honda CB750 as the vanguard of the 'superbike era'. It is a verifiable fact that the Rocket/Trident debuted 3 months before the CB750, but then the CB750 wasn't the very first bike to offer high performance. The reason a "new era" was recognized was because the Honda was the whole package: affordable, reliable, practical, well rounded. The Rocket/Trident had the performance, but was also flawed in many ways. And a majority of sources say so:
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Margie Siegal's opinion was that the Rocket 3/Trident "…was, in fact, the first Superbike of the Sixties". We should definitely quote this minority opinion, but we should give more weight to the majority of opinion, and explain why they take that position. WP:UNDUE helps clarify the Wikipedia policy here.<P>Hopefully readers new to the subject will understand both arguments and learn something about motorcycle history and culture in the story of why this bike was overshadowed by the CB750, rather than merely being given dogma as to what was the first "true" superbike. The purpose of Wikipedia is not to settle disputes once and for all. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:04, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling the machines technically advanced, and describing them on a level with the CB750 is highly contestable, especially as the article then goes on (correctly) to describe them as being essentially a 3 cylinder version of the 5TA. First superbike is of course a very debatable concept, after all there were Vincents in the 50s and Brough Superiors in the 30s which were certainly the equivalnt in their era. As someone who worked in the bike trade in the late 70s I would never have dreamed of describing the OHV, vertically split crankcase, less than oil tight triples as being technically advanced. I suppose at least they didn't have separate gearboxes... 212.159.44.170 (talk) 08:47, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  First "true" superbike? 

message: The lead photo (T160 Triumph Trident 750cc motorcycle.jpg) of the yellow/white T160 has an OHC Triumph twin in the background.  Presumably it is a prototype; can anyone identify it? Arrivisto (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Appears to be a modern Kawasaki W650 with false spark plug caps. A local dealer has one with a BSA tank. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 19:37, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mystery bike 

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message: Does anyone know when the last Rocket 3 was made? Was it phased out like the T150V, just before the T160?  And did the forward-slant engine of the T160 use any of the Rocket 3's crankcase components? Arrivisto (talk) 14:25, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's severely lacking that this co-named article doesn't show prominently, early-on, both in prose and imagery, that BSAs were fundamentally different - frame, crankcases and exhausts at least; I don't think we should have two images of the 'Ogle' appearance both taken from the same side with the ray guns and disc brake(s) (twin Lockheed conversion). I don't have much early 70s in the house, but I assume BSAs were discontinued and Craig's bike used the surplus 'cases? I wont be around WP for long (just some stuff to clear up) and dont want to research it or submit any prose, but I'll add it to me list....... Thanks for your continued efforts.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:28, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rocket 3 & T160