Talk:Holden Commodore

message: What happened to it? --Jquarry 01:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Who drives 'pickups' in australia??? changed 'pickup' back to ute. Ditto changed WB 'limo' to Stateman.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.108.193 (talk) 11:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VK Commodore 

message: We seem to be getting a fair bit of attention on this article.  Some is just clear vandalism, but there seems to be quite a bit of attention from those wanting to add point of view statements.  I'll try and catch new ones with a citation request. Decromin 16:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism and POV statements 

message: The picture on the VZ part is wrong. the VZ commodore as the fins that the side blinker is on. Its on the guard under the mirror, but it isnt in the picture...How come? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DRK-MRSTR (talk • contribs) 11:26, 14 September 2006
:The fake vents on the VZ were only used on the SS and other high level models.  The picture shows an Executive, which did not feature these vents. Decromin 16:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Picture 

message: Seems that there are forum links coming back onto this page.  These links don't meet wiki criteria, but as other automotive pages have plenty of links to fan forums, I'm loathe to keep removing them.  Any thoughts on how to treat them? Decromin 15:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite personally, I just use the undo toll in the edit history. Until an easier method is introduced, I am affraid that we're just going to have to deal with it. Regards OSX (talk • contributions) 22:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forum links - yes or no? 

message: Does anyone think that this article should be nominated for Good Article status? Write your comments below.SenatorsTalk | Contribs 23:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, since the issues have yet to be addressed. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 10-4SenatorsTalk | Contribs 21:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have no problems with you nominating the article for GA status now, considering the issues have been addressed. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article nomination 

message: Good work on such a long article. It passes on all criteria. Great job!Mitchcontribs 19:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: Although the present article has some vague detail about improvements made to each model it would be nice to see a more thorough and detailed anaylsis of improvements made to a specific model with a clear comparison to the previous model. I am presently trying to find information on a Holden Commodore site somewhere about which model may have the best reputation for reliability and quality etc. and this article at present doesn't really assist in that regard and it seems near impossible to find such information on the internet at all. If the article could be considered for updating in this regard or if someone could point me in the right direction for another site that might have such information it would be greatly appreciated, Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.198.171 (talk) 10:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model-by-Model Improvements 

message: Ah great to see illiteracy in action. Can someone identify what is ironic about using a name for a previous model, for a new model? Perhaps that person had better check the definition of Irony first. Thank you, he said sarcastically. Greg Locock (talk) 23:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am really getting sick of your crude humour. Half of those  comments were within citation quotes. OSX (talk • contributions) 03:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree with OSX here, Greg. If you have a problem with what somebody's written in an article, you should fix it, not leave mocking html comments scattered throughout. And yeah, as OSX pointed out, you pointed out quoted text in a footnote as being unencyclopedic. - Mark 04:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your support Mark, it is very much appreciated. OSX (talk • contributions) 04:41, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologise for annotating the refs, I was editing inside one text box without referring back to the article. I have tried to make the first half of the article read as though it was written in English.  Greg Locock (talk) 08:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was/is written in English. I am sorry if it didn't meet your standards, but thank you for making your improvements. I look forward to working with you on a more cooperative level in future. I will address your issues, so long as you bring them to my attention in a civilized manner, however, I do apologise for refusing to do so previously. By the way, I removed the comparison of the 5 Series, E-Class and Calais in the VE article last week (). The reason why this was reverted initially was your reasoning in the edit summary. I think we should following Sable232's proposal that "an article for a single model should contain information on that model, not other cars that have their own articles." OSX (talk • contributions) 22:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ironically

message: Why do we need two articles on the holden commodore. Its not like the holden commodore is of any international significance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.189.153 (talk) 10:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? Because there is far too much information to include in one article that's why. In the case of the VE, it is only the name that is common between it and the VZ if you count the "car" and not the powertrains. "Its not like the holden commodore is of any international significance." Well it is sold in the Middle East (with the Statesman) and gets good reviews there, the American press seem to love it as the Pontiac G8, although sales are not as high as predicted due to the financial crisis. It is also sold in Brazil, the UK, New Zealand, Southeast Asia and South Africa. Too quote Holden that is every continent except Antarctica, so it is a real understatement to say the Commodore is not of "any international significance." Okay, it is not as significant as the Corolla, but how many cars are? OSX (talk • contributions) 22:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why do we have a seperate Holden Commodore and VE Holden Commodore article? 

message: Would be good to have a source on the claims of improvements with the Jap engine. Nevard (talk) 21:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The information is not unsourced, it is mentioned in the same ref that also sources the following turbo and V8 engines, The Holden Heritage - 13th Edition (part two). To avoid any further confusion, I have re-referenced this some of this information. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Good to see that source. Nevard (talk) 09:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced claims 

message: I believe that the image used in the main table isn't the best available Holden Commodore picture available on Wikipedia and Commons such as this one. I have already added it but it has been deleted and I don't know why.--Pineapple fez (talk) 04:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The purple SV6 is in motion. Anyway, I have replaced the Calais V with this SS. OSX (talk • contributions) 14:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks;) --Pineapple fez (talk) 00:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Main table image

message: Some Holden pages say automobile, others car. The term automobile is rarely used in Australia or New Zealand, where Holdens were made. 77.44.45.91 (talk) 19:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the term "automobile" is used anywhere in "general" language/conversation. Automobile is the formal term. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Car vs automobile

message: Why has someone added sic to the referenced quote
:"An interesting introduction was the fitting of Holden's 1.9litre [sic] "Starfire" four cylinder"?
AFAIK the Holden 1.9 litre was called the "Starfire", so why the sic?I suspect it is probably someone who mistakenly thinks litre is spelt liter.Can I/someone remove the sic? or is there a real reason for it being there that I don't understand?Arjayay (talk) 15:57, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, feel free to remove to it.  Stepho  talk  21:53, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am fairly certain that the sic (as introduced by User:OSX) refers to the absence of a space between the numeral and the litre - this already helped once, in averting a bot correction to the material as originally quoted: User talk:Chris the speller#Quotes and references.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 08:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we can design an encyclopedia around an incompetent bot. Even if it wasn't in the original, MOS:QUOTE allows the insertion of spaces into quotations. As written, it can be misunderstood that there is a fundamental error that the (sic) is trying to draw attention to, questioning the validity of the whole statement.  I can understand the (sic) after McPherson (should be MacPherson), but this one is going. - Arjayay (talk) 08:42, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, no worries and no further argument: I just wanted to prove that OSX (who originally wrote sic) isn't a fool by any means. G'nite,  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 08:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I placed the "[sic]" in there to show that the lack of space between litre was not my error. If we are quoting text, then shouldn't we be quoting exactly as it was written? Changing the text to suit one's self seems to defeat the purpose of quoting it. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was changing the text, I would totally agree with you; but as stated above MOS:QUOTE allows the insertion of spaces into quotations. I read the (sic) and wondered what error you were trying to point out, so checked out the "Starfire", only to find there wasn't an error. If you have a real concern about the space, we can remove it, but not add the (sic), so as not to confuse anyone else (except possibly the bot). Arjayay (talk) 09:17, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Policy acknowledged, you win. I will refrain from such pedantry in the future. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:21, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Maybe so. I think the easiest solution would be to code the bots to say: quotes + references = don't touch. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be the best solution. But as a professional programmer, I know that getting it right for all combinations isn't as easy as it sounds. Still worth asking for though.  Stepho  talk  10:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sic 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: the article about the Ute was removed in favour of a redirect to this page, with the argument of merging it into this page.
this has obviously not happened, and was done with barely any support for it (agreement of 2 people), after an earlier, more active discussion with inconclusive result on this.
therefore i suggest adding support for restoring that article in its original location at the talk page for it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holden_Ute TheFIST (talk) 23:08, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: article restored. should you disagree with the decision you can discuss it in its talk page and add its information into this page, but please do not delete it after only 3 days and of discussion again. TheFIST (talk) 12:19, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  restoring Ute article 

message: The reference https://www.caradvice.com.au/812851/holden-commodore-retired/ says 'The company has confirmed it will continue to sell MY19 Commodore and MY19 Astra variants to private buyers through 2020, "albeit with diminishing model availability as part of an orderly runout". The facelifted MY20 Commodore, confirmed last week, is available to fleet buyers right now.' The other references say that sales will continue in 2020 but don't mention the actual end of production. Note that my previous edit was based on a mistaken reading of a 2017 reference (I didn't check the date properly), so I'd like to check a bit more thoroughly this time.  Stepho  talk  11:15, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has just flipped from ending in 2019 to ending in 2020. Does any know the actual end of production date? Note that this will be different to the end of sales date.  Stepho  talk  07:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production ended in 2019 or 2020? 

message: The article says "The last Commodore - the last Holden vehicle to be manufactured in Australia - rolled off the line at the Elizabeth plant on 20 October 2017." Yet the sales table says that sales continued until at least 2019 (2020 data obviously not added yet). I can't see Holden stockpiling 2 or 3 years worth of cars. So, was the ZB made elsewhere?  Stepho  talk  21:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where was the ZB made? 

message: As a summary article, we should have no more than 4 images per generation. Typically that would be
*a sedan front quarter image,
*a sedan rear quarter image,
*optionally a wagon rear quarter,
*optionally a ute rear quarter,
*optionally a Monaro rear quarter,
*optionally an interior image.
The full set of 101 images belong on the separate article for each generation, not here.  Stepho  talk  11:43, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many images