Talk:List of The Sandman characters

message: Damn. This page needs a hell of a reorganisation. I'm unsure how to go about it. If this page simply includes information on every character it's going to get very, very long. If I do it like that, i'll just shift all the stuff on the Endless page over here. Otherwise, i'll have to create individual pages for each character and link to each from here, maybe in the format "Character Name (Sandman)". Comments anybody? If I don't get any comments in the next hour or so I guess i'll just go ahead with one of those two plans. --AW
I suppose it depends on how much there is to say. Some minor characters could just get a pargraph or so here. They can always be promoted to their own page later on should the need arise. -- Tarquin
Good idea. The characters currently listed are a completely random sampling, there's literally hundreds of the blighters. I'll do stuff for those currently listed first, then start adding others by reading through the books. We'll see if my categorisations hold up, too. Sundry is such a *useful* word...:) --AW
Just a thought, but, until someone gets round to writing Sandman-specific entries for the gods, faeries and other mythical beings, would it be an idea to have the links point to the mythological entries? At least it gives the basic info. Daibhid C
What category do you think Sandman-mythos Orpheus would fit under? --Pentasyllabic 20:45, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
Question: Shouldn't we add Bernie Capax from The Sandman: Brief Lives? He was a long-lived mortal, about 15,000 years, and despite only existing in the book for 4 pages he fits the criteria.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.44.52.238 (talk) 08:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misc 

message: I'm removing the reference to Wanda as a "shemale". I'd like to remind all of you that "shemale" is in fact a rather derogatory term for mtf transexuals and about as appropriate in a Wikipedia article as calling Alex Burgess and Paul McGuire a pair of fags.
-Grenye
I see that someone undid that last edit of mine. I've done it again. Let's go over this again: "shemale" = very offensive term. Totally inappropriate for a Wikipedia article. I don't know why on Earth it was added back in, but doing so was absolutely and totally wrong, and lowers the tone of the article as a whole. -Grenye
I'm moving Wanda from being listed as a "minor mortal" to the main list. She is arguably the main character of A Game of You, being an important character throughout, not to mention the lion's share of chapter six is devoted to her funeral. She is one of the most memorable characters in the series, not to mention a significant positive portrayal of a transgender character in comics. -PD711   — Preceding undated comment added 13:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Wanda

message: I'm putting the bios on especially minor characters (i.e. those who only appeared for one issue and had minimal affect on the overall Sandman storyline) here for now. I like some of the bios for them that've been written, but it looks unprofessional and disorganized to have only a random sampling of these minor characters in the characterlist, most of them from the first three issues. I think we should keep them here, if anywhere, and anyone who believes it's worthwhile to have such a list (I'll gladly pitch in, if there's any support for the idea) can simply expand it here on the Discussion page, and if enough people do that and it grows large enough it can be moved back to the article page. Also, if anyone disagrees with any of the characters being listed here and thinks they're important enough to merit being put on the main page, just say so (or move them yourself). Likewise, say something if you consider any of the characters currently on the article page to be too minor.
*Daniel Bustamonte: A victim of the 'sleepy sickness' that results from Dream's capture. He falls asleep in 1926, then wakes up sometime before 1955, staying awake much of the time but unable to speak.  He recovers fully on September 14, 1988 when Dream escapes.
*Francis "Chas" Chandler: a cab driver and friend of Constantine's who drives him and Dream to Rachel's father's house so that Dream can retrieve his pouch. Chas takes his nickname from Jimi Hendrix's manager, and is a recurring character in the comic Hellblazer.
*Compton - Roderick Burgess' butler.
*Nurse Edwards: The caretaker of Alex Burgess at the time he is put under Dream's curse.
*Ernie and Frederick: Two of the men guarding Dream when he escapes from his imprisonment.
*Doctor "Piggy" Huntoon: A Doctor in Arkham Asylum and former schoolmate of Constantine's. He used to perform electro-shock therapy on Constantine, back when he was institutionalised.
*Leigh: A man who works in "Easy Diner," an American-style diner in London.
*Ellie Marsten: A victim of the 'sleepy sickness' that occurs during Dream's capture. She sleeps continuously for decades, awaking only four or five times a year, and recovers on September 14, 1988 when Morpheus escapes.
*Paul McGuire: Lover of Alex Burgess.
*Stefan Wasserman: A victim of the 'sleepy sickness' that results from Dream's capture. Commits suicide in 1918 at age 16 because he cannot sleep.
:I moved these characters back to the main page because the new format supports listing minor characters a lot better, methinks. -Silence 16:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Extremely minor incidental characters

message: Just the original series, or spin-off series as well? I ask because characters not from The Sandman, but from spin-off series like Lucifer (like the Basanos), don't have any good place to go except here, and they're certainly in the same universe and storyline, but they aren't from the same series per se, and they're not Gaiman creations, so... Do spinoff characters like Seth  (Cain and Abel's brother) go here too?
There's also the problem of including not only new characters, but also new information on old characters from the Sandman, on this page. This is a problem because many devout Sandman fans have not read most of the spin-off series, like the Dreaming and Books of Magic and Lucifer... We would, of course, have to make sure to note at the top of the page that spin-off series detailed are also spoiled on this page, but even so it would be an inconvenience to most people. Personally, I would like to put all the spinoff information here because it's so much easier to centralize everything related to Sandman characters here. However, I'm not sure how many people would be upset by requiring them to have read so many things outside of the Sandman to not have important plot details spoiled...
What do y'all think? I'll gladly do the work of adding the characters if you don't think it's a significant problem, but first I want to see whether there is one -- and whether you think those chars would go better elsewhere, like their individual series pages, even if those pages are so minor that there's barely anything there anyway... (e.g. The Dreaming). -Silence 04:05, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What does "The Sandman" encompass?

message: I still need some opinions on the last three sections I made, arrrgh.. But more issues keep coming up! So, another question: Is this page's section on "The Endless" long enough yet to merit its own page? Or close to it? If you think so, tell me here, and if you don't think so, tell me here too. We can have a nice little chat about it. I've also been considering for a while what image to use for the Endless section/page, and also images to help spice up the other character pages and this one.
Also, if we do move "The Endless" to its own page, what should we leave on this page regarding the Endless? Presumably we should still have some sort of thing on this page, perhaps with a Main article: The Endless bit here, but what else? A shortened description of them? Should we stll provide links to the 7 Endless, though "The Endless" page will too? Hn. Hey, maybe we could even move all the current Endless pages to "The Endless" (except for Dream's and Death's because they're so noteworthy in their own right, but they could have their own shortened articles on the page with a Main article: X bit) as sections, to help centralize things... ... or maybe not.
Another thing: What do you all think of the idea of an  template (if we don't entirely centralize the individual pages on The Endless, of course) to put on each Endless' page? With a list of links to all 7 of them. (Though I'm not sure how we should handle Daniel Hall (comics), if we do that... Any ideas?)
I bring this up because I plan to work on the Endless pages s'more soon, and want some idea of what y'all think first.. I noticed someone recently put up some Gaiman quotes on the 7 Endless in some of their pages, but unfortunately didn't note that they were quotes, treating them as just part of the normal description text. Plagiarism is no good, nope nope. (Plus the descriptions aren't encyclopedic, they're too poetic; people will be confused and troubled.) But the information is useful, so we can move them into clearly-labeled quotes and fix that, along with the other improvements we can make... -Silence 14:37, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Endless

message: I've put in a very brief section about Hazel, Foxglove's girlfriend, because (1) the section about Foxglove has a link to Characters_of_The_Sandman#Hazel and (2) I've just edited Death: The Time of Your Life to link to this article (instead of to Foxglove and Hazel, BTW!). On the other hand, she's not a major character. Is referential integrity a good enough reason to list her here? (Warning: If someone does delete my addition, be sure to delink the references to Characters_of_The_Sandman#Hazel.)
Another character from A Game of You probably should appear in this list: Wanda. I'm going to wimp out of writing anything about her.
—Chris Chittleborough 14:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Is referential integrity a good enough reason to list her here?" - No, because you could simply remove the link if you wanted. But in this case, despite being a relatively minor character, Hazel is major enough (especially if we consider that Death miniseries she also appeared in) for listing here. She's certainly more significant than many of the other characters listed here. Also, I agree regarding Wanda (the "probably should appear" part, not the "wimp out" part). -Silence 14:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brokenyin (talk • contribs) has added a description of Wanda under Characters_of_The_Sandman#Minor_mortals. Good stuff. Cheers, Chris Chittleborough 15:22, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hazel and Wanda 

message: I'm getting rid of that "Either that or he has a brother" line in Corinthian, it really bugs me and makes no sense, 'sides gotta do some time checking but it seems possible that was during the period he turning Corinthian mortal. Also changing the Eve thing to be more more similar to the Eve article, namely that a Raven always hangs out with her, not just Matthew. Highlandlord 18:53, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating 

message: In Tales of Ghost Castle #3, the letters page announcing the cancellation (due to the editor going back to being an inker) stated that Lucien would be appearing in an issue of Secrets of Haunted House.  Did this ever occur? --Scottandrewhutchins 18:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did find out that he appears in #44, but that's not a Tales of Ghost Castle story.  It's a stoy in which some of the older hosts, including Lucien, are killed off.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 22:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lucien's Fourth Appearance?

message: Since many critics like to claim that this series has nothing to do with superheroes, I included a list of superheroes that actually do appear that were not currently listed.  I don't own copies, so I'll have to look again to really say anything about the J'onn J'onnz and Scott Free appearances in #7, aside from that they're in pajamas and robes because they're awakened in the middle of the night. --Scottandrewhutchins 16:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is peripherally true that Clark Kent (I don't make a distinction between him and Superman, but some might, so the distinction is there) appears in Sandman, he plays a very, very, very minor role, and if you read over a panel or two, you would miss him.  A brief check shows him appearing next to Batman and the Martian Manhunter in the 22nd page of Sandman No. 71 (Contained in Volume 10, The Wake, somewhere around the 45-50 page mark.).  I seem to also remember him appearing once more afterwards, entering the mausoleum, however I can not seem to find that.... Oneoverzero 12:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Superheroes

message: I did not make this up.  It is in #4 of the Fleischer-Kirby series.  Since Brute and Glob don't have their own articles, the best place for that info is here.  It's not a joke, because Sanford implies that he knows Uncle Harry by asking Brute to send greetings.  Uncle Harry is presumably shown at the picnic, but not specifically identified.  --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 17:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Brute's Uncle Harry

message: Is it possible that either of these appeared in the series, however brief?  They would be the only DC horror hosts other than Madame Xanadu and Elvira to not appear in the series.  I think the lack of Elvira is pretty obvious, and I assume Madame Xanadu is left out because of her strong connection with superheroes. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 22:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Judge Gallows and the Witch of Dark Mansion

message: I've removed this segment from Nuala's bio:
Indirectly as a result of Nuala's summoning Dream when he and the Dreaming are at their most vulnerable, the Dreaming has been badly damaged by The Furies. Death meets Morpheus (Dream) and chases The Furies away before sending/granting him his final wish; death. Dream claims he is tired after eons of duty and Death takes him into her arms, killing Morpheus. However, it is suggested that Morpheus could still have escaped his fate if he'd truly wished to. Many factors contributed to the situation ending as it did.
Although it is a momentous event in the story, it is irrelevant to her character and is a major spoiler that pops up unexpectedly.  72.214.251.20 (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nuala

message: I've removed the final sentence from this paragraph:
"Most of the time she appears as a black-haired woman of indeterminate age. However, her appearance also mirrors her triple nature; she sometimes shifts between being a young, attractive maiden, a middle aged mother, and an elderly crone. These changes are directly related to the distance she is from the mouth of her cave."
I know different people see different patterns in things, but even a cursory scan of Eve's appearances in Sandman and The Dreaming will show that her appearance is not directly affected by distance from the mouth of her cave... it changes in direct relation to how she feels.  If there is a relationship to distance from the mouth of her cave, it is only that the types of events that might draw her away from her home can become wearying.  But she is shown young and pink-cheeked while sojourning in the waking world, and shifting from young to old and back again while sitting within her cave.  71.193.182.174 (talk) 18:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eve

message: Article Alex Burgess is a permanent stub, almost nothing links there, List of characters in The Sandman#Alex Burgess already exists and would take little time to copy any singular info over. Also, much of the info about Roderick and Alex may be combined for brevity. Shall we redirect? Cross-posted to Talk:Alex Burgess. Somercet (talk) 20:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. –Pomte 11:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Alex Burgess]]

message: While cleaning up the section wikilinks I noticed that there are links, but no corresponding sections, for Barbie and Jill Presto. I have neither the time nor sufficient knowledge of the stories to write adequate descriptions of these characters. Would anyone like to have a go? Charivari (talk) 07:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barbie, Jill Presto 

message: Shouldn't "The Three" be referred to as "The Furies" (or at least "The Kindly Ones")?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Osiriscorleone (talk • contribs) 09:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a thought... 

message: Article says "Former ravens include Aristeas of Marmora," but that Marmora link goes to disambiguation page. Would that be the Marmora in Greece? "Marmora, Greece" redirects to Paros article. --EarthFurst (talk) 02:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marmora 

message: Tales of the Unexpected #16 contains a Kirby story called "The Magic Hammer."  Another story from this issue was presented in DC Special #4.  The Thor story in DC Special #4 is "The Magic Stick" from House of Mystery #68.  I cannot confirm that "The Magic Hammer" contains Thor.  The Comic Book Database says that it does, but only because I added it based on this article. I have DC Special #4, but do not have these earlier issues. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 15:25, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Verified myself.  Someone scanned the story and put it in a blog.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 23:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Thor

message: Eve and Lucien should also have their own separate entries.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.85.7.191 (talk) 06:33, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eve & Lucien 

message: would it be worthwhile to possibly comment on the meanings of some names - for example, the fact foxglove is called such, or the other plays on names that Gaimain uses? refernce can be made to sanmand companion, authors own words etc rather than just going through each name with a 'baby book of names' site/book...86.180.147.81 (talk) 23:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  meaning of names 

message: There is an awful lot of WP:OR happening on this page.  Someone is "probably" so-and-so's half brother, etc., and a character's name "might" derive from X, Y, or Z.  ZarhanFastfire (talk) 04:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research