Talk:Gallery of sovereign state flags/Archive 3

message: I would like to add the Kurdish national flag here, which is undoubtedly a national flag accepted in all of Kurdistan. But as such it is not a flag of an independent or sovereign state. Given the discussion about Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland I would like to make sure it is ok. Erdal Ronahi 10:45, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a flag of a people, there are much more such flags (see Sorbs for example) but none of them are here. Do add it to the list of flags if you haven't already. Nikola 08:31, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  National flags or flags of independet states? 

message: This flag lists the proposed Iraq flag instead of the official one. Either the Flag of Iraq article is outdated or this article is strange at this point. What is the current status of the flag of Iraq? --Romanm 21:26, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have been in Rome two weeks ago. The Iraqi embassy there used the old flag, and not the new proposed one. Gugganij 00:41, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I changed it back to the (still) official one. --Romanm 15:10, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iraq flag 

message: I'd like to substitute the old large national flags with new ones from CIA Factbook 2004, mostly because a few of the new ones have better details and the rest should be in consistent (new) color scheme. I already did some uploading in this direction. Of course I'd pay attention if the flags were changed in the meantime (for example, improved colors of :Image:Croatia flag large.png). Does anyone have some second thoughs on this? --Romanm 15:10, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating flags 

message: The whole problem with this thing is that it's hard to decide whether we want flags of states or countries and how to define any of them.
* We could have undisputed sovereign independent countries. That would exclude subdivisions of UK, all dependencies and either China or Taiwan. It would also exclude Palestine and Western Sahara, as well as Greenland.
* We could have states which hold sovereign power over some territory. That would include both China and Taiwan, but also Northern Cyprus.
* We could have entities that lay an undisputed claim to sovereignty over a certain teritory. That would add Palestine (as it is only occupied by Israel) and Sealand (although Sealand is not recognized by any state, a UK court has ruled that Sealand is not under UK jurisdiction and no other country claims it), but exclude either China or Taiwan.
* We could add dependencies (Gibraltar, Dutch Antilles, New Caledonia etc.) to any of the above.
* We could also stick to recognized flags at sea. I think that includes dependenices and both China and Taiwan, but excludes Norther Ireland, but I am not really sure. It also raises the additional point of whether to use national flags or trading flags, which are actually used at sea.
* Maybe we could have separate galleries for various types of flags and decide which of the above to choose for any of them.
I think we should at least have:
#A gallery of national flags of countries that have a sovereign power over a territory, plus Palestine (because it's a real country, although not independent or sovereign yet) and without Sealand (because it isn't). I don't know what to do about Western Sahara and Northern Cyprus.
#A gallery of trading flags recognized at sea
#A gallery of navy flags
#A gallery of national military flags
#Maybe a gallery of national air force insignia, but that may be off topic here
#A gallery of flags of international organizations and movements, like UN, EU, NATO, Red Cross, Olympic Commitee, peace movement, etc.
#A gallery of US state and dependencies flags
#A gallery of UK country flags and dependencies flags
#Galleries of constituent parts and dependencies of other countries
#A gallery of signal flags and semaphore.
Any other ideas?
Zocky 23:54, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''What to put in this gallery'', a short expos&eacute; 

message: Flags with a white edge have no clear definition of where they end.  For instance see Bahrain or Bulgaria.
I recommend either changing the background (to grey as no country uses it in their flag) or having a small border around the flags to sort the problem out.  Is there anyone able to do that?
*My fault on that one.  I tend to not draw borders on flags, but from what I noticed, they might be needed.  Plus, if we change the background on here, then we must change it for many pages. Zscout370 12:15, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  White sided flags 

message: Hey yall, based on some of the items everyone has mentioned, I wish to atler the gallery so it can reflect just what you guys wanted.  I know there will be some flags that will be removed from this list, however, I have seen most of them on the Non-national flag lists.  I will go by the list from United_Nations_member_states and the few others agreed upon.  If you have any questions or comments, just let me know, so I can carry it out. Zscout370 12:13, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlering the Gallery 

message: ===>Issue: I appreciate Zscout370 uploading the pretty new .png for Western Sahara, but I'm confused by his note at the top. I've seen several pictures of flags of Western Sahara, and none of them appeared any different than any other flag I've ever seen. Please explain where you got this information... Justin (koavf) 16:51, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)
* I did not upload an image of the Western Sahara flag.  The image is loctaed at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Western_Sahara.png.  It was uploaded by SKopp in Nov of 2004. Zscout370 18:37, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Saharan Flag 

message: ===>Issue: I've tried to edit this article since yesterday, but can't. Someone needs to delete Greenland, as it is not a state. Justin (koavf) 13:31, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
*If I can get on the page, I can try to make the page. But, as always, it is being very uncooperative :(. Zscout370 13:47, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help me edit, please! 

message: Well, thanks to Koavf and myself, we finially got the gallery to reflect the status of countries, not everything on the face of this Earth.  Until there is a new country coming into existance, I do not wish for flags to be added here.  Those will be quickly and swiftly reverted.  I welcome all who wish to get items from the Wikipedia Commons and place them here, since that is what the Commons is for.  Until then, good job Koavf.  Expect to see a Barnstar on your page any day soon. Zscout370 00:00, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final List 

message: Should the Commonwealth of Independent States :Image:CIS-Flag.png be included as well? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 23:40, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing? 

message: ===>Consensus: We need to arrive at some consensus regarding the inclusion or exclusion of Palestine on this list. Also, I think it would be wise to put in borders for flags that have white edges - see the flag of Monaco for instance. It appears that it's a single red stripe, rather than a horizontal bicolor. Justin (koavf) 18:13, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
::The State of Palestine is a state recognized by the Arab League but currently under Israeli military occupation. What are the criteria for inclusion on this list? The flag of Taiwan is included here so recognition by the United Nations must not be the litmus test. --Islamist 00:03, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I never listed you anywhere so I don't know what you speak of. Maybe you have  guilty conscience. --Islamist 02:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Issues that Need to Be Resolved: Palestine and White Borders 

message: Almost all flag images now seem to have proper ratios. Only Kiribati, Macedonia and Solomon Islands need to be resized, or rather we need proper 1:2 images of these flags. Where can we get them? Zocky 04:33, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on topic 

message: Perhaps that's the best way to address this? As Quebecois consider themselves as a nation, and their flag flies more often than the canadian flag in that territory, and the Chiapas, Palestine, Tibet, Ireland, etc... are all nations with prominent independance movements. I think it would be a good middle ground here, adding such a section at the bottom.-- Revolutionary Left |  Che y Marijuana 23:52, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
:Che, I hate to break it to you but this page is now moved to Flags of UN Members. The term nation is very hard to define, so to make this page NPOV, we had to move it. Zscout370 (talk) 23:57, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nations with prominent independence movements