Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Archive 3

message: There has been alot of vandalizism on the Eddie Guerrero article as of late, we need protection on it so vandals cant vandalize it anymore. There has been at least 100 cases of vandalizism on it today alone. Oh, and by the way, Rest in Peace, Eddie. — Moe ε 21:51, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eddie Guerrero 

message: I was going to propose this earlier, but the unfortunate passing of Eddie Guerrero is proper motivation to get everyone colloborate on the article. Similar to other collaborations, the idea would be to propose an article related to professional wrestling for collaboration to get it close to or at featured article status as possible. The span of time for the collaboration is indefinite - maybe a week or two weeks is enough. At any rate, I'll work on the Eddie Guerrero entry and if anyone else wants to do the same, that would be great. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:11, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been thinking about this as well.  There are quite a few articles like Davey Boy Smith, Junkyard Dog and others that have really wimpy articles.--Darren Jowalsen 01:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be a good idea to get a format set for some of these article first though. --Jtalledo (talk) 01:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done some major clean-up to the Eddie Guerrero article and I think it is almost FA material now! — Moe ε 18:36, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job. It could use some references though. The tribute on WWE.com and his profile on Obsessed with Wrestling should have most of the material in the article. Again, the articles looking really good now. Thanks to everybody who worked on it. --Jtalledo (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professional wrestling Collaboration of the Moment 

message: Micheals article is in need of clean up and sectioning off in its World Wrestling Entertainment career section... large chunk of which is just about his short fued with Hulk Hogan --- R.I.P EG Paulley 13:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Shawn Micheals

message: I spent about an hour trying to make the Arn Anderson page look better. See the previous version before and after. — Moe ε 18:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Arn Anderson

message: There was an articlle recently created by an anon user called Alex Greenfield. It's sort of pro wrestling related since he is currently contracted to WWE but he's contracted as a member of the creative team, as you can see on the WWE roster list. I think it should be deleted. — Moe ε 22:39, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alex Greenfield 

message: Would it be a good idea to add a section to every wrestler article listing the games in which that wrestler has appeared?  Here's an example for Ric Flair:
*WCW Wrestling
*WCW Super Brawl Wrestling
*WCW vs. the World
*WCW vs. nWo World Tour
*WCW Mayhem
*WCW Backstage Assault
*WWE WrestleMania X8
*WWE WrestleMania XIX
*WWE WrestleMania 21
*WWE Day of Reckoning
*WWE SmackDown! Shut Your Mouth
*WWE SmackDown! Here Comes The Pain
*WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW
*WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006
Alternatively, we could do a table with two columns (which would take less vertical room). Jeff Silvers 03:18, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we could stick to having a roster list on the actual video game article and so that way it doesn't add unnessecary info to wrestlers article. — Moe ε 18:06, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video game lists? 

message: Is anyone else in favour of simply deleting this article? It's still a stub after one year, and the article seems to frequently be an arena for edit wars between people with vendettas against one another. McPhail 22:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be better off deleted. — Moe ε 23:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Rec.sport.pro-wrestling]]

message: This user has been adding fallacious personal life stories to various articles, and has invented a character named "Kimberly McMahon-Angle" who they appear determined to interject into factual articles. Needless to say, this should be reverted whenever it occurs. McPhail 17:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Special:Contributions/194.111.49.152|194.111.49.152]]

message: I was just wondering, when I go and create succession boxes for the Mexican, well mostly Mexican, professional wrestlers, can I tone down the size of the Luchas de Apuestas Records a little to the:
*Wagers lost/won
*Winners
*Losers
*Notes
The other sections we could probably cut off are the Where it took place and the date that it happened sections. When it happened and where it took place doesn't seem all that important. Any comments? — Moe ε 01:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to do.  What do you mean by "Succession boxes?"  How will they be used?--Darren Jowalsen 02:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was crreating succession boxes when I came across this problem. I dont want to turn the Luchas de Apuestas sections into succession boxes. Here, I will give you an example:
*Vampiro - Here is an example of a wrestler that has a messy looking Luchas de Apuestas Records section
*Rey Mysterio - A better looking Luchas de Apuestas Records section to give an example of. I edited it a little. It would no longer show the Place of the event or the date it happened, I dont thinks it's important information to have. — Moe ε 22:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any problem with the date and place.  A lot of the matches in question aren't specifically mentioned in the article for brevity sake and the record supplies the information.  Cutting out the place and especially the date will make it just a list and not particularly informative.--Darren Jowalsen 22:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

text: So, should we just leave it alone? — Moe ε 01:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for streamlining whenever possible but I don't think there is much you can do with it without leaving out big chunks of information.  However, I do like the kind of table in the Mysterio article, perhaps we can upgrade all the older records to the new "wikitable" type while keeping all the information.--Darren Jowalsen 04:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Luchas de Apuestas Records

message: Seeing that there are a lot of references to the brand extension but not a lot on the brand extension itself, I've created WWE Brand Extension for this purpose.  It's not really that fleshed out, so I'd like the Wikipedia pro wrestling community to help improve this. kelvSYC 07:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like a good idea but I don't think it's necessary to have this and WWE Draft as two seperate articles. Personally I wouldn't mind the two merged and expanded so that it's based around with the Brand Extension with the draft as a section in the article. --Oakster 12:26, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, the two seem separate enough to keep as individual articles.  The WWE Draft page only covers the initial 2003 draft, and doesn't (and shouldn't, as it isn't relevent to the article) go into much more depth on the Brand Extension as a whole.  Meanwhile, the Brand Extension page could go into a much more detailed history of the extension, fan reaction, means by which WWE attempted to make the two brands seem distinct from one another, et cetera. Jeff Silvers 16:53, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brand extension article 

message: Someone created a page about the WWE Federation Championship to witch I think is pretty dumb since we aready have a WWE Championship Page. So I propose we delete this page.
BionicWilliam 07:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: yea good idea\ for now though i have made it a redirect -- Paulley 13:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WWE Federation Championship]] 

message: Just to let you guys know, I've just started working on an article about the Tribute to the Troops shows. I believe as the troop visits have been going for its third year now, it's pretty notable to be included as an article. So far right now, it just has the basic results but I'm going to expand it in the next few days to include details of the actual tour that on and off screen such as stuff like Mick Foley's recent meeting with the young boy in Afghanistan. --Oakster 23:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Great idea. We should probably mention it in and wikilink it from World Wrestling Entertainment. --Jtalledo (talk) 00:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm a little bit late here, but just wanted to add my support to the idea. Essexmutant 12:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I think that the article "Tribute to the Troops" should be named "WWE Tribute to the Troops"? Edraf 09:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribute to the Troops 

message: i have been reverting bad edits by this user, he seems intent to change wrestler stats and remove signature moves and add general ones --- Paulley 17:02, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:221.135.229.166]] 

message: A lot of people have put cruft such as one-off tournaments and other specifics when the article deals with generalities.  I propose we add a notability criterion to what is in and what is not - see Talk:Professional wrestling match types#Notability criteria for inclusion for details and feedback. kelvSYC 05:06, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of professional wrestling match types]] cleanup 

message: I have a question for everyone, on the Randy Orton article, do you think that the list of people that Randy Orton gave the RKO of encyclopedic value? If not, I think should be removed. — Moe ε 00:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nuke it. It's like creating a list of people who were Stunnered, Tombstoned, Olympic Slammed, Sweet Chin Music'd, etc... --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 12:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Agreed. There's no need for this, and could grow to obscene levels considering the promotion's staff turnover. Essexmutant 12:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

text: i think it should stay after all at the moment part of his gimick is being known as the Legend Killer, why be known as the legend killer if no-one takes note of the people his "killed", i think its a good piece of information, theres not many sites out there that have the up to date list, and many people do want to know who is on the list (Lil crazy thing 15:24, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's going to be removed. It's lke adding a list to Shawn Michaels gimmick that included that he had given "Sweet Chin Music". It's not of Encyclopedic value. Imagine how long that list is going to be by the year 2010 or so on. He's just a beginning superstar and his career has yet to begin. All of that means (hypothetically) the list could go on forever.  21:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But how many people Michaels has super-kicked is not an integral part of his gimmick. Randy Orton RKOing popular and/or retired wrestlers was part of his main schtick--at one point, there was a "Legend Killer Tour" T-Shirt detailing all his victims. And after his feud with the Undertaker, the gimmick has died down quite a bit. --Pathogen 01:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: RKO list

message: I was just wondering if it's any use recategorising images from :Category:Professional wrestling media into subcategories such as :Category:Professional wrestler media, :Category:Professional wrestling logo and poster media, :Category:Professional wrestling belt media, :Category:Professional wrestling game media? It might help sorting out problems concerning images better such as those that are orphaned. --Oakster 23:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganising the professional wrestling media category 

message: Would anyone else be in favour of creating categories such as "ECW alumni"? It could be added to all the wrestlers in List of ECW wrestlers. McPhail 18:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Im in favor of it. Im not busy at the moment, so I'll do it. — Moe ε 19:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Finished, should we do this to all the defunct promotions, like World Championship Wrestling among many? — Moe ε 02:31, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think too many wrestlers have worked for WCW to make it a useful category. Smoky Mountain Wrestling, however, might be worthwhile. McPhail 13:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed categories

message: Given that William Moody uses the name "Percy Pringle" professionally, I would surmise that this article would be better listed under that name, to eliminate the need for the disambiguation page at William Moody. I moved the content there once before, but it was reverted with "vandal" incorrectly given as the reason. Thoughts? - Chadbryant 17:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the move because you cut-and-pasted the articles, which is classified as vandalism. If you want an article moved, request a move. McPhail 18:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Move requested - my c&p was an attempt at a workaround, not intentional vandalism. - Chadbryant 18:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving to [[William Moody (wrestler)]] to [[Percy Pringle]]

message: Just a heads up to make sure that no one updates the Smackdown tag team title champions until after it airs in the US. Also, if someone does change it, revert it back to Batista and Rey until after the show airs. I'm sure you all know that anyways, just a heads up. SFrank85 20:33, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick question regarding the tag title defended on Smackdown - why is the Raw tag title portrayed here as the title with the traditional WWF tag title lineage? The way it was presented on WWE TV at the time was that Stephanie McMahon had taken that title lineage to Smackdown as a response to Eric Bischoff un-unifying the Undisputed title when Brock Lesnar signed a Smackdown-exclusive contract. Much like the World Heavyweight Championship has always been presented on WWE TV to be the descendant of the WCW World title, it always seemed (at the beginning, at least) that Raw's World Tag Team Championship was presented as the descendant of the WCW World tag title. - Chadbryant 21:10, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true of the world belts; however, Raw gained the tag team belts during the whole "Billy and Chuck" storyline, I think.  This led to a tournament to crown new Smackdown tag champs.  Interestingly, this means Raw now has all three of the WWF/E's traditional belts (4 if you count the women's belt), and Smackdown has 2 new belts and 2 WCW belts (or 3 WCW belts and 1 new belt, depending on how you see the World belt).  --HBK|Talk 04:45, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I understand that explanation, but it still doesn't coincide with what WWE had/has presented on their television programming. I imagine the subject will become moot when the inevitable title unification occurs, but it's still something that could (and probably has) caused confusion for readers. - Chadbryant 22:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Smackdown tag titles

message: There should be one. WillC 00:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category for wrestling venues

message: The article on DDP notes that he uses the name Dallas Page on his SAG and AFTRA cards. Given the fact that most (if not all) SAG/AFTRA members are listed on Wikipedia under their card name, it seems logical to list his article under Dallas Page instead of Page Falkenberg. Thoughts? - Chadbryant 19:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why Dallas Page, why not Diamond Dallas Page? — Moe ε 02:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Diamond" is a nickname - his SAG & AFTRA memberships (which indicate his crossover into mainstream entertainment) list him as "Dallas Page". - Chadbryant 02:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A case could be made for either move. On one hand, Dallas Page is his "official" screen name. On the other hand, "Diamond Dallas Page" returns 120,000 Google results, while "Dallas Page" -Diamond returns 30,000 (and a number of those results refer to the city). Diamond Dallas Page would allow greater direct linking, but is somewhat unwieldy. McPhail 19:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moving to "Diamond Dallas Page" would be like moving the article on Shawn Michaels to "The Heatbreak Kid Shawn Michaels" - it would be including a nickname with what more or serves as a given name. - Chadbryant 20:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That isn't an entirely accurate comparison. Falkenberg was invariably billed as "Diamond Dallas Page" throughout his career. McPhail 20:19, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But the "Diamond" part was almost always treated as a nickname, and his SAG/AFTRA registration pretty much confirms that his working given name is "Dallas Page". I guess a better example would be listing an article at Nature Boy Ric Flair, rather than Ric Flair. - Chadbryant 20:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think I've ever heard an announcer or anyone just refer to him as Dallas Page, they always say, "DDP" or "Diamond Dallas Page". — Moe ε 21:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I recall it happening multiple times, and given the fact that he made his pro debut as "Handsome" Dallas Page, I think it's a pretty safe bet that he's always intended "Dallas Page" to be his working given name. His SAG/AFTRA registration more or less confirms it. - Chadbryant 23:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you CITE at least one occassion when it happened? I could say that I recall hearing coal mines were bad "multiple times" but that wouldn't make me a bad person for not trying to have the mines in West Virginia shut down. - Owen Stevenson 01:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Well either one will be fine, Diamond Dallas Page would make a better title though, and I'm sure some newbies will disagree with that title. Oh well, whatever suits you best. Personally, I've always like the title Page Falkenburg just fine, but I think not many people like the page redirecting there. — Moe ε 23:42, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that 'Diamond Dallas Page' should be the usable entry. After all, the Google search cited proves that an Internet usage of the search is more or less what DDP is found within; otherwise, it could become too confusing, and, as you mentioned, piss off the newbies. - Owen Stevenson 01:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Told ya we would piss off a newbie, which is actually a vandal. — Moe ε 03:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a newbie - it's the same guy (with yet another new account) who has been vandalizing many of the articles I've contributed to, and your talk page. He's also been throwing my images & website URL into various articles where they don't belong, simply to cause trouble. He's still smarting from having his RFA completely rejected and deleted. - Chadbryant 03:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have proof of these accusations, or are you merely typing words with no meaning?  Given your behavior on Wikipedia, your comments are quite suspect.  You also appear to have little or no influence or say on Wikipedia in viewing IP addresses; therefore, your claims are baseless and inaccurate by default. Super Grover 20:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I know, thats why I said vandal and newbie. — Moe ε 03:11, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Article moved - links on other articles should be fixed as needed. - Chadbryant 14:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've changed several links (about 20) to get people started. However there are another 126 pages that need to be done. If anyone else wants to help, please check List of articles that link to Page Falkenberg. Essexmutant 16:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving [[Diamond Dallas Page|Page Falkenberg]] to [[Diamond Dallas Page|Dallas Page]]

message: Hello!  Moe Epsilon invited me to join.
I was the mastermind behind Template:TNA-photo, and helped to make the format behind the Total Nonstop Action Wrestling pay-per-view event pages uniform. I also began creating the monthly results pages for TNA Impact!
What I would like to contribute is the thought of creating a universal, uniform format for describing individual pay-per-view events.  Of course it does not have to be how I do it right now, I'd be glad to accept input from others.
Anyway, I hope to be of assistance to the project.  Thanks!  --, 22:57, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for joining, I've been wondering when you'll join. About a format for pay-per-view events, I have to agree that something needs to be done about it. I really do like your format for pay-per-view events and it would be really useful for WrestleMania related articles which all look disorganised. --Oakster 23:42, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's always nice to know the nuances of a PPV; the stuff that goes on between the matches, some of the run-ins, the finishes... though the one thing I never do is recorded match previews.  I usually do the matches (participants and managers/valets), how they finish, any important interference and live spots between matches, including backstage interviews/events and in-ring events. --, 01:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[user:Kitch|Kitch]] says Hello! 

message: There is an ongoing dispute over whether to include a "rumors" section in this article. I don't think it should be included in line with the Wikipedia is not a crystal ball policy. It would be helpful if other editors could give their opinions. McPhail 20:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with you on this. It's just sheer speculation. --Oakster 22:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Inserting a "Rumors" section will do nothing but invite a rash of edits with "news" cut & pasted from the half-zillion wrestling markboards that make the National Enquirer look legitimate and informative. It's a horrible idea. - Chadbryant 22:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree -- a "rumors" section would let people decide for themselves on whether or not they are/were legitimate.  I don't see it becoming the [[National Enquirer] as I do rec.sport.pro-wrestling. - 166.102.104.20 22:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rumors regarding upcoming events are not encyclopedic, Alex Cain. - Chadbryant 23:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Baseless accusations of names are not wanted on Wikipedia, Chad Bryant. - One Of Us 00:20, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should let the storylines work themselves out. Wikipedia should not report remours, because in the wrestling business, rumours change by the second. SFrank85 00:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not to sure on wikipedia's policy on "sheets" and linking to those types of websites is. I'm sure they have not been linked yet on wikipedia, so there must be a reason for them not being linked. I also think that wrestling promotions send their internet people looking around for these "sheets" websites, and wikipedia could become an easy target for these wrestling promotions to "take legal action" like they have done with other websites, and websites linking to these sites. SFrank85 00:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no reason to include a mark blog as an external link. Mark blogs/newsboards are little more than an unsubstantiated source of speculation and rumours, and (as pointed out before) Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. - Chadbryant 01:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. Rumours should not be listed, as per Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Essexmutant 10:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WrestleMania 22]]

message: We have an Infobox for a singles wrestler which works well enough, but what about those Tag Teams which deserve their own entry? 
I don't know quite how to make them, but it would need a way to list all the members stats (height, weight, etc) and keep them seperate. Putting multiple boxes on one page could clutter something like the Demolition page (which has three). Any ideas?Bdve 23:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not to sure how to go about fixing this. — Moe ε 01:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tag Team infobox?

message: Congrats to this project for getting 50 members! — Moe ε 01:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Members

message: As I'm working on a few pay-per-view articles, I was just wondering about the actual lengths of the matches. I'm not the only person to include times but I don't think we all have the same source for the time (for those wondering, I'm using WIA). So I'm proposing we have an "official" source for match lengths that we can work with just to keep articles in sync with each other. --Oakster 22:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Match times 

message: I've been putting infoboxes and Wikiquote links on a lot of pages, including Super Crazy and Nidia. I tried to put one on Psicosis, but it didn't look right without a picture. Does anyone have one? -Web kai2000 22:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Oakster 15:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infoboxes 

message: There has been some problems lately concerning images on the pro wrestling articles. I think we should make a seperate sub-page for pro wrestling related images so  we know when somethings been changed. Some common problems with the images are:
#Uploading over old images and replacing it with a copyright violated image. 
# And Replacing older, but still good, images with more current images.
I think a gallery sub-page would be a great way to monitor these actions and take care of them on-site. — Moe ε 00:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Hey, today I uploaded a few images and put them into wrestler profiles -- specifically, Cassidy Riley, Johnny Devine, and Jerrelle Clark.  These are all from the TNApics website, and I used that template for the copyright info.  Can a veteran take a look at these and see if they're up to code?  If so, I'll carry on and add some more.  If not, I'll go back and fix whatever needs it.  (While I was at it, I transferred Clark's profile into an infobox! Wow!)  --Karl Freske 01:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They seem more than fine to me. Thanks for joining. --Oakster 13:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool.  I went ahead and added images to Mike Tenay, Don West (sportscaster), Sean Waltman, Chris Harris (wrestler), James Storm, David Young, Apolo, Shannon Moore, James Mitchell (wrestler), and Delirious (wrestler).  (I got a little overexcited!)  --Karl Freske 23:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got one little comment that I forgot to notice myself. Is there any chance you can put this in Category:Professional wrestling media for descriptions in future uploads? --Oakster 00:01, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely!  --Karl Freske 00:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm new to this -- howdy! 

message: As the project on professional wrestling, the project's members should dictate the category structure within :Category:Professional wrestling.  Besides a few minor subcategory rule (articles only in the most specific categories whenever possible) violations, things are reasonable the way things are, however I like to make a few recommendations:
* organizing championships by type (heavyweight championships, tag team championships, women's championships, etc.)
* organizing championships by the basis of current/defunct
* separating wrestlers by real origins and origins of characters (eg. Val Venis  would be a Canadian wrestler billed from the United States)
* organizing NWA territories together, as well as a category for former NWA territories
* grouping promotions by "major", "developmental", "independent circuit", etc.
* grouping televised and pay-per-view shows together, with a current/defunct/one-time distinction
As this is a lot of work, I'd like the community to debate about whether to move forward with these proposals rather than unilateral action and facing the response of the community. kelvSYC 03:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category structure 

message: This article has a notice on it which says, "This article contains information that has not been verified and thus might not be reliable. If you are familiar with the subject matter, please check the article for inaccuracies and modify as needed, citing sources."  Now, I have a tape of that particular show sitting in front of me right this very second, so I can verify this information easily enough.  My question is, how does one cite a source like this?  I've poked around some other articles and don't see anything that applies.  --Karl Freske 13:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to MLA rules, you can cite a television program as such: "Name of Episode (if any)." Name of Series. Airing network. Airing station call letters, City. Airdate.  --Chrysaor 19:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How necessary is this?  I'm not seeing such citations for any other events (if you take a look at Kurt Angle's article, for instance, it lists many events that occurred on TV shows, but it doesn't cite each show in the manner suggested above).  If I say that it's a TNA show that took place on such-and-such *exact date*, and include a link to a recap on, say, 411 or obsessedwithwrestling, is that sufficient?  --Karl Freske 09:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it is. I was just answering your question.  --Chrysaor 22:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Verifying" Events (re: [[Team Britain]]) 

message: The reason is that pre-80's article's are to 80's to the Present bias in that the WWE artical passes over a 20-30 year gap pretty fast. I have almost no pre-1993 wrestling knowledge since that is at what time I became a wrestling fan. Therefore if anyone else can help with the expansion so be it.
BionicWilliam 06:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I request expansion of the Pre 80's articals 

message: I suggest we the users copy or move all of the Professional Wrestling Articles over to the Wikicity and keep them both updated. I think that is the essence and legacy of the WikiProject Professional wrestling is to attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to professional wrestling on both Wikipedia & Wikicity. Or at least it should be. :)
BionicWilliam 21:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's possibly to much work to copy and paste Every pro wrestling article over to the WikiCity. It would be to hard to update both as it is. BUT.. never fear. I have an idea. LOL, I always have an idea. I guess you'll have to wait an see what it is because I'm still thinking of a perfect solution to the WikiCity problem. 
On another note, please everyone, don't copy and paste articles from Wikipedia to the WikiCity. The WikiCity is not going to be an encyclopedia. It is an encyclopedia, in a sense, but not like our articles on Wikipedia that lists weekly events and histories of that wrestler. — Moe ε 22:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [http://prowrestling.wikicities.com/wiki/Main_Page Pro Wrestling Wikicity] Part 2

message: I'm still fairly new to Wikipedia, so I'm still not sure if this is possible. Is there a way to group all Pro Wrestling pages on Wikipedia into a group that can be easily accessed? I know we have categories for various things in Pro Wrestling, but is there a way to bunch all the Pro Wrestling pages on a Special page with some script or something to sort of have a group watchlist for Pro Wrestling. Anyone can view the watchlist page and it gets automatically updated every few seconds to note any changes and so vandalism can be taken care of quickly. I ask this because I only have approximately 200 pages on my watchlist and I'm sure I don't even have 1% of all the wrestling related articles on Wikipedia. It would be nice to have a watchlist for them all instead of having to go to a ton of pages and adding them one by one to a personal watchlist. tv316 21:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not possible. The best we can do is check the category lists and add most pages to our watchlists.--Toffile 05:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: All Pro Wrestling Pages on Wikipedia

message: Hi, I suggest adding songs produced by WWE in the "Music in professional wrestling." article. because I noticed that the PPV's in the past had their theme songs produced by the WWE. Like for example, WWE Judgement Day of 2004 theme song was called "Tenderloin" and it was produced by WWE. Edraf 07:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE produced songs 

message: does anyone remember wwf new york/wwe new york/ the world open from 99 to 03 maybee in times square... not mentioned anywhere 
-ben
It's given a short mention here, but it could probably do with an expansion and maybe it's own article. Bdve 21:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE NEW YORK