Talk:Thanksgiving (United States)

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message: November will have five Thursdays whenever it starts on Wednesday or Thursday, where Thanksgiving will fall on November 23 and November 22 respectively. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 05:59, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is still the fourth Thursday of November, so I'm not sure what needs changed. —C.Fred (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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message: With this subject being "Thanksgiving (United States)", it seems there should be more discussion concerning Thanksgiving in the United States, and what got it started. There is a particular story, a particular event that is commonly celebrated as the "first thanksgiving". There should be more background given around the theme that American's know and love.  172.221.214.203 (talk) 01:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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message: before the small number 33 it states one thousand seven hundred and eighty two. the "and" should not be there. In numbers and means there is a decimal point. One thousand seven hundred and eighty two is this; 1,700.82
1,782 is written like this. one thousand seven hundred eighty two.  Please fix it.  change one thousand seven hundred and eighty two to one thousand seven hundred eighty two Percyjacksonsv (talk) 17:09, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: That's how it's spelled in the proclamation. —MRD2014 Talk • Edits • Help! 19:54, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2017 

message: Questions whether the famine was socialist induced or not. http://www.slate.com/articles/life/holidays/2014/11/thanksgiving_socialism_the_strange_and_persistent_right_wing_myth_that_thanksgiving.html // https://mises.org/library/great-thanksgiving-hoax-1 --105.11.118.91 (talk) 12:46, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libertarian/Socialist controversy around Thanksgiving.  

message: There is a link to "films set around Thanksgiving" in the Thanksgiving general holiday section.
It should be added to the Thanksgiving (United States) section, since most of the films were made in Los Angeles, Calif., and deal with a USA Thanksgiving holiday observance.
Not having any mention of Thanksgiving movies in the Unites States section, when most of them were made in the USA, and are about the way the USA observes the holiday, does not make sense.
Other nations observe Thanksgiving, however, there are almost no movies about the way the holiday is celebrated in other countries. ````Bennett Turk````  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:E289:300:34CD:149D:E7EA:C8ED (talk) 02:34, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of films set around Thanksgiving 

message: Why does this page say that Squanto was a slave in England when the page on Squanto says that his slavery was in Spain?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.96.208.77 (talk) 15:32, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Squanto's Slavery 

message: The first Thanksgiving was in Virginia... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2018/11/first-thanksgiving-berkeley-virginia-pilgrim-archaeology/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.53.69.147 (talk) 20:37, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first Thanksgiving was in Virginia...  

message: The first Thanksgiving took place at Berkeley Hundred, later called Berkeley Plantation, in 1619.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2015/11/18/the-first-thanksgiving-took-place-in-virginia-not-massachusetts/ 96.84.232.145 (talk) 18:46, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 19:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2018 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(United_States)#Criticism_and_controversy
Why can't we edit the page to include 1982 in the heading of Thanksgiving held on "November 25"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.2.72.90 (talk) 21:59, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing THANKSGIVING (United States) 

message: 1. Please change "as a celebration of the cultural genocide" to "as a celebration of the genocide" 
: Airplaneman (talk) ✈ 00:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a suitable source for the statement in part 1 of your request. The ones you provide appear to be less general than the current source, instead citing specific instances. Therefore, these sources may be good when referring to specific apologies. Airplaneman (talk) ✈ 00:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

text: with a caveat: I've linked to the article space (Native American genocide) as opposed to the category space, which, to my knowledge, isn't standard to do in Wikipedia articles. I have, however, added a link to the category in the article. Airplaneman (talk) ✈ 00:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  semi protected edit request 10 november 2019 

message: I think the article about thanksgiving has missed some points about indigenous people's perspective. Therefore, i have some suggestion that you that you might want to add in your passage. First, While many paintings of “the First Thanksgiving” show a single long table with several Pilgrims and a few Native people, there were actually twice as many Indigenous people as well and the indigenous people and pilgrims ate Venison instead of turkey. Moreover, the pilgrims didn't share their meal with indigenous people, actually the indigenous people hunted deer and brought their own food to share.
Indigenous people
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2012/11/20/dark-origins-thanksgiving/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.193.52 (talk) 12:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something related to Indigenous people  

message: Dear Wikipedia, 
  There's some erroneous information about the main food during Thanksgiving. The turkey is not the main food that we usually eat with our family during Thanksgiving. Actually, the main food is " venison", which is the meat of deer.
People ate some seafood and waterfowl along with maize bread, pumpkin, and other squashes. The ancient Thanksgiving and modern Thanksgiving are nothing alike. If you want to know more about Thanksgiving please click this " https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/the-wampanoag-side-of-the-first-thanksgiving-story-TmMLTgQs40aJT_n9T3RMIQ/."
:Hello Anonymous - Feel free to create an account and start updating the article, but you don't need create an account, though it does help.Hires an editor (talk) 17:29, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main food is not turkey during Thanksgiving! 

message: Hi, Wikipedia I have some advice for you. You did a great job on other parts of information of thanksgiving, but if you want to make the articles become better you need to add more detail of the information. I think you can add more history about thanksgiving to let the reader tell why thanksgiving becomes an important holiday. For example: For Wampanoag, They think thanksgiving is not a happy and peaceful holiday. They think the holiday for people is a kind of mourning for Wampanoag. They also think it is the beginning of the end. You can put more pictures related to the article. Also, don't forget to add the link for the information that can make us be more trust in you. India Country Today
===To add to article===
Could we add information to this article about the Thanksgiving that took place at St. Augustine, Florida in 1565 (55 years before the one in Plymouth)?
https://www.nps.gov/casa/learn/historyculture/the-first-thanksgiving.htm
76.189.141.37 (talk) 00:46, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It is rather strange that a one-sided article as this can stay "protected". 85.148.244.121 (talk) 08:31, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that perspective is helpful for this article. Historically, Thanksgiving was only an official federal Holiday starting in 1870. There really is no way of deciding how to celebrate Thanksgiving. The United States did not exist prior to 1776. Prior to that year America was a combination of British colonies and Native Americans "Indians" were considered autonomous tribes or sovereign states. Did Parliament or any British sovereign recognize Thanksgiving during the colonial period, or was Thanksgiving truely an American tradition started by Native Americans and Pilgrims ? Why did President Jefferson not recognize or proclaim Thanksgiving ? I think the addition of Ulysses S. Grant to the article is appropriate. He was the president who made Thanksgiving a federal holiday. Cmguy777 (talk) 19:11, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi wikipedia, I have some suggestions for you! 

message: Could we add information to this article about the Thanksgiving that took place at St. Augustine, Florida in 1565 (55 years before the one in Plymouth)?
https://www.nps.gov/casa/learn/historyculture/the-first-thanksgiving.htm
76.189.141.37 (talk) 00:46, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article

message: Dear fellow Wikipedians, 
I am a bit worried about the information on this page. You guys have said that all of the contents on your pages are neutral. However, after reading through the page, I found out that you do not add any perspective from the Indigenous. I have recommended some  example below:
1. They had fests together because the Indigenous heard the gunshot so they wanted to help them (they thought they were in danger.)
2. They ate five deers instead of turkeys. 
3. The pilgrims did not invite or prepare any food for the Indigenous so the Indigenous hunted five deers and shared with the pilgrims.
The information above is based on https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/the-wampanoag-side-of-the-first-thanksgiving-story-TmMLTgQs40aJT_n9T3RMIQ/.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.20.182.253 (talk) 03:51, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  You should add some information based on the perspective of the Indigenous. 

message: Dear people who work in Wikipedia,
I am worried about whether Wikipedia is still a reliable encyclopedia source because the information about Thanksgiving doesn't seem quite complete. For example, you should include the following.
1. The reason why Pilgrims got the disease
2. What specific reason causes the turkey to become indispensable dish in Thanksgiving
3. What did the Pilgrims do after hearing the gunshots
Also, you can see more information on the website Indian Country Today's news.
The Wampanoag Story  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.213.185 (talk) 03:57, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  You need to include different perspective  

message: Wikipedian, 
In my opinion, you must contain more information and contents on the first Thanksgiving and other Mayflower as well.
Here are some examples. 
1. The thing that they eat during the harvest feast is not turkeys, but venisons. There is no information about this on the Thanksgiving website. Otherwise, there are more food types they eat in the feast as well.
2. Adding the exact arrival date for the Mayflower and more information about the relationship with the Paxtuxet.
3. More information about the National Day of Mourning.
4. More information about the relationship between the Wampanoag and Pilgrims.
This is the website:
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/the-wampanoag-side-of-the-first-thanksgiving-story-TmMLTgQs40aJT_n9T3RMIQ/
by another Wikipedian  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chichi1215 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  You need to add the indigenous perspective! 

message: Dear writer,
I suggest you about the information of your paragraph, you should add some specific information of the truth about the indigenous.
1.The plague killed thousand, two-third of the natives, and also captured some natives as slave to sold. 
2.The first Thanksgiving is that the Wampanoag and Pilgrims did not sit down for a big turkey dinner and it was not an event that the Wampanoag knew about or were invited to in advance.
3. The Indigenous chief sent his men out, and they bring back five deer, which they present to the chief of the English town.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.213.185 (talk) 04:03, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  You should add some indigenous's perspective 

message: Dear Wiki people,
Hi, nice to meet you, I have some recommendations for this article, I consider that you should include more details and perspectives for the first thanksgiving, and also I believe this article is lack of cited information which make it questionable.    
Below are my suggestions to improve this article:
Detail addition:
- why the population of people decreased quickly
- sources of the plague
- what exactly happened during the First Thanksgiving
- Indigenous point of view
- address correction (using Indigenous people to call the people of the land shows more respect instead of calling the Native American or Indian)
Please use Indian Country Today's news website to see more details.
--211.72.213.185 (talk) 04:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  You should add more details or real facts and use Indigenous perspective 

message: Dear Wiki people:
I have some opinions on these pages and I wish you can correct it. I suggest that you should add some Indigenous perspectives to respect the real history that really happened. 
I have some suggestions for you can correct on this page, please take a look:
1. You should add some Indigenous perspectives.
2. They ate deers for first they met.
3. The Indigenous dead for the plague and many of them had been captured and sold by the English. 
 
For more information, you can visit this website:
The real history of thanksgiving  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.213.185 (talk) 04:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add others perspectives 

message: Hi Wiki peoples, 
I found out that you guys didn't really tell about the beginning of Thanksgiving, which is the meal of the first Thanksgiving, why they use the that kind of meals for Thanksgiving, and what is the purpose of the Thanksgiving.
I will list 3 things that learned form that article "The Wampanoag Side of the First Thanksgiving Story" and I think you should add in the Wikipedia. (If you need to find more details, I will put the link at the bottom.)
1. The first Thanksgiving use venison for dinner.
2. The Indigenous people use the food that is variable, which is deer, and hunt them. There are no turkeys at that time.
3. The first Thanksgiving is not a happy tradition. Turner once said, “For the most part, Thanksgiving itself is a day of mourning for Native people, not just Wampanoag people.”
Cite:
“The Wampanoag Side of the First Thanksgiving Story.” IndianCountryToday.com, newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/the-wampanoag-side-of-the-first-thanksgiving-story-TmMLTgQs40aJT_n9T3RMIQ/.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.213.185 (talk) 04:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It is rather strange that a one-sided article as this can stay "protected". 85.148.244.121 (talk) 08:31, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  You should make the fact of the beginning of Thanksgiving more clearly 

message: Dear wiki 
It's important to include other sources and add perspective from other people 
you can't spread the biased information around to the public
there's following ways for you to improve this page 
1.You should put the information from indigenous perspective 
2.Do the research right and check out different information
3.Take advice from different sides of the story for example indigenous eat deer meat instead of turkey in the first place 
For more information I recommend this website : https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/the-wampanoag-side-of-the-first-thanksgiving-story-TmMLTgQs40aJT_n9T3RMIQ/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.213.185 (talk) 04:09, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that perspective is helpful for this article. Historically, Thanksgiving was only an official federal Holiday starting in 1870. There really is no way of deciding how to celebrate Thanksgiving. The United States did not exist prior to 1776. Prior to that year America was a combination of British colonies and Native Americans "Indians" were considered autonomous tribes or sovereign states. Did Parliament or any British sovereign recognize Thanksgiving during the colonial period, or was Thanksgiving truely an American tradition started by Native Americans and Pilgrims ? Why did President Jefferson not recognize or proclaim Thanksgiving ? I think the addition of Ulysses S. Grant to the article is appropriate. He was the president who made Thanksgiving a federal holiday. Cmguy777 (talk) 19:11, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  add others perspective to improve 

message: Please incorporate some perspective on american Thanksgiving and include a reference to the National Day of Mourning that indigenous people have held for 52 years in Plymouth on this day. 2601:194:827F:4550:F031:2E7B:34E:9512 (talk) 15:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:48, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2021 

message: Tori-girl21 (talk) 18:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The true first Thanksgiving. 

message: There is a note about the early 2020s inflation affecting prices going into 2021's Thanksgiving.  How is this particular instance of inflation notable in any way, especially in the context of Thanksgiving?  It certainly isn't the first time prices have spiked in the nation's history.  Yes, a 14% price increase hurts for those having dinners, but it didn't mark any major, notable shift in Thanksgiving observance in the country.  It seems like it's just complaining about inflation, which could be part of practically any topic affecting anything existing in 2021.  —Onore Baka Sama(speak | stalk) 17:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inflation 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Thanksgiving weekend and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 24#Thanksgiving weekend until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  TartarTorte 15:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Thanksgiving weekend" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Before my involvement in the Simple English Wikipedia article of Thanksgiving (United States) that article just had what has been called "the legend of Thanksgiving" as its history with no mention of criticism or controversy (hardly a neutral point of view). I have added a short controversy section but I was wondering if anyone could help in writing a more detailed simplified explanation. Tk420 (talk) 22:35, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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message: — Assignment last updated by JBella2 (talk) 17:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Food and Justice

message: "Thanksgiving has been celebrated nationally on and off since 1789, with a proclamation by President George Washington after a request by Congress[10]"
The source supports Washington's proclamation but doesn't support "after a request by Congress". Is there a better source that could be used? Traz64 (talk) 22:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsupported Claim on Origin