Talk:Man versus Horse Marathon

message: The story of Guto and the horse is discredited in his own article.
Unfortunately, it's not true that bicycles are prohibited from bridleways. --Auximines 13:36, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I rode in this race in 1984 and 1985. I was actually in 2nd place in 85 when a collision with a razor/barbed wire fence ripped up arm and I ended up 9th cyclist. I still have the scars. Comparisons with what a road cyclist does are essentially meaningless. If you want a sensible comparison, look at cyclocross racing instead. Tim Gould was indeed the first cyclist to beat a horse on this course. Its possible that had mountain biking drawn the attention of some professional cyclists back in the mid-80's, this event would have happened sooner. But this was, as the UK's "Bicycling" magazine put it years later, the "pre-history" of UK mountain bike racing. Even when top US riders like Joe Murray came to try this event, they could not beat the horse. I raced Tim Gould on a couple of other occasions, and although he probably wasn't much a of pro road racer, he was an amazingly talented mountain bike racer, especially in the muddy, nasty conditions that the UK (and this race in particular) were known for. And yes, by comparison with US mountain bike racing of that time, this course's terrain was crazy. Sufficiently so that only someone with a lot of experience of this kind of terrain would ever beat a horse or even a runner.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.25.70 (talk) 02:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: From someone who was there

message: I sounds mega-bullshit that a human runner on foot could defeat a horseman over 40-something kilometers. Either those horses were centennials or there is some skullduggery going on here. They definitely did not use the noble arabian horses, which regularly run a 1000 kilometers over terrible desert terrain without much water or stopping. 82.131.210.162 07:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But what speed do those Arabian horses make?  Probably not very fast. Vultur (talk) 23:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

text: You're vastly underestimating the speed of a well-trained athlete. The competitors in this race are not even elite distance runners, and they can average ~11mph over 22 miles.  The world record for the marathon (26.2 miles) averages over 12.5 miles per hour.  The article on horse gait claims that, at a trot (horses cannot gallop for more than a mile or two, even Arabian horses), horses only average around 8mph--137.22.112.142 (talk) 02:00, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is hardly any evidence in the article on endurance riding that there are 1000 kilometer events.  (However, that article seems mainly to reflect the sport from a U.S.A. perspective.)  It does mention "multi-day" events, but doesn't give details.  So, the 1000 KM events could be some of these.  That article suggests a horse in a 100 mile event can average about 8.3 to 10 MPH. 206.53.197.24 (talk) 02:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While it is my own experience and so not really permissible, I regularly run along side a "noble arabian horse" ridden by my mother, and also regularly beat it over 5 miles. This is not far fetched at all. However it probably should be added that I'm quite into my fitness training and neither my mother or her horse is. Humans are well designed for long distance running compared to most animals.80.41.175.7 (talk) 09:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban legend it must be 

message: The article is entirely lacking in route description. Is it primarily ross country? Roads/lanes? River crossings? Any steeples?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gatematemakeshaketohatehats (talk • contribs) 20:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The table has been modified to show the fastest horse, and the fastest human.  It no longer implies 2nd place overall. SlowJog (talk) 01:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info? 

message: This would be more interesting with some background information, particularly on the physical performance characteristics of both humans and horses.  Naively, one would expect a horse to win easily, since their top speed is much greater than a humans, but clearly the whole premise is that isn't necessarily the case.  How long can a horse gallop without stopping?  How long must they be rested?  Are they rested, or do they just run at a slower pace for longer distances?  What is different about human and horse physiology that gives them different endurances?  Also, How does the terrain factor in, does that aid human or horse?  207.58.192.150 (talk) 17:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Part of the answer, at least with regard to humans, can be found in the article on Persistence hunting.  Humans are better able to dissipate heat due to light hair and a lot of seat glands. SlowJog (talk) 04:14, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human/horse comparison/background data 

message: The terms for humans and horses for the race seem to be different, but they are not explained in the article. How is the start organised? A mass start with 40 horses, 500 humans and bicycles sounds difficult. Is the race course the same? Do they compete on the same lane? Are there dangerous situations if man, horses and bicycles overtake each other? How is the turf (grassland, forrest, road, rocky) - is it the same for bikes, horses and humans? difference in altitude? Regards Minoo (talk) 10:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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