Talk:Turkish people/Archive 4

message: Based on the discussion I've seen in here, I've decided to unprotect the article and I hope I can count on everyone to not engage in edit warring. howcheng  {chat} 16:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, my bad. I removed the {protected} template but didn't actually unprotect the page. It's open for editing now. howcheng  {chat} 07:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprotecting 

message: There is a corresponding German article, :de:Türken, distinct from "Turkic people". Adam Mathias 03:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki 

message: http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/07_03/ancient.shtml
:The researchers found that interbreeding between Europeans and Asians occurred much earlier than previously thought. They also found DNA sequences similar to those in present-day Turks, supporting the idea that some of the Turkish people originated in Mongolia. 
--Eupator 03:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting article 

message: I see a lot of edits having to do with the pictures in the article. What exactly is the problem? Copyright problems? AucamanTalk 16:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All the images except Sezen Aksu's image are known to be public domain images. I tracked down the publisher and the photographer of the image and attached the proper Copyright notice. I am also following up with the original publisher and the photographer to learn whether we have the right to crop the image and use it in a composite. Until that time the images appear side by side instead of a composite. Khokoi can better explain what problem he found with the Turks image (apart from the obvious image problem of the Turks :) -AverageTurkishJoe 22:26, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I don't think you can use :Image:Sezenaksu2.jpg as it is tagged with "fair use". As I'm told, you cannot use "fair use" images for decorative purposes. :Image:Halideedip.jpg also needs a new tag it seems. AucamanTalk 06:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please point out the specific regulation that you think there is a non-conformace I will get the required permission from the copyright holders. -AverageTurkishJoe 00:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image problem?

message: Merhaba, There is a dispute ongoing in the article Iranian peoples. Some Pan-Iranist users are changing the defintion of Iranian peoples (an unknown and not widely used term) from its linguistic meaning to linguistic, cultural and racial issues. According to their wrong defintion many people are labelled as Iranian, including parts of Turkish population. If you have time and are interested in the issue I ask you to join the discussion. Thank you very much.
Diyako Talk + 22:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Same with Persian people. It's impossible to make any kind of edit and have it survive. Help would be appreciated. AucamanTalk 11:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Iranian peoples]]

message: I think that Fatih Sultan Mehmet (Mehmet II) should be in the picture. (Nothing against Halide Edip but thinking about it I cannot justify Fatih's not being in the picture.)  I am proposing the picture change as seen. Thanks 
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-AverageTurkishJoe 07:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that looks great!! --Khoikhoi 07:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Two color and 2 monochrome pictures complement very nicely. The modern day people(Ataturk and Sezen Aksu) are in black and white, while the older historical figures are in color. very interesting picture. i like it Zoncel 10:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

text: "Woman-Enemy Jew"? I have nothing against women and yes I'm Jewish. --Khoikhoi 05:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: What the hell? Are you talking about Israel? I've heard of only stuff like that in places like China. --Khoikhoi 07:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: İlgili linki verseydiniz daha ii olurdu--TuzsuzDeliBekir 20:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chios Massacre--Kagan the Barbarian 12:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture change again 

message: I bored that issue, actually but let's terminate this;
Mongols had killed all the population and razed the cities where they occupied.Then they rebuilt them again.That’s the reason why there are only a few things at Central Asia which belongs to the Turkish Culture.Only Timur had killed 20 million Turks.For example; Mongols had massacred all the 75,000 Turks in Semerkant...
After all those events, the rest of the Turks at Central Asia had flee to the Anatolia.Millions of Turks were killed by Mongols.As i read a research of Hürriyet(Turkish newpaper who has the highest circulation), Mongols settled down Central Asia and raped thousands of Turkish Women.Therefore Turkish speaking people of Central Asia are descendants of Mongols and lost their “Turkish” identy...
There are 200 million Turkic people and 5 million Mongolians in the world.For example; We have ruled China for years, but we have never settled down there.Because their numbers were more than 100 times than ours.If we did that, we would be assimilated.However, Mongolians had never thought so.They settled in where Turks were majority and assimilated, but their numbers were quite big and  they affected the “Turkish Ethnic Identity”...
Both Germans and Gyspies are speaking indo-european languages but i’m sure Germans aren’t gyspies...
Not only the Mongolians but even the Chinese people had flee to Central Asia.Chinese love to emmigrate.South Eastern Asia, Russia, Japan, US, Canada, Australia,...everywhere full of Chinese people at the moment.Even there are 42,000 Chinese immigrants in Turkey.That’s to say Chinese affected Turks in Central Asia as well...
 
Mongolians are yellow race.Ural-Altaic people were white race.It was proved by all scientists that Proto-Turks were white.I have already never heard that “Mongloid”(whatever it means) term which only greeks say.I think, it’s obvisous why greeks’re slandering Turks at this point.
Inanna 19:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mongols and Turks 

message: Since genetic studies are referenced on this page, and everyone is obsessed with this issue these days, I thought everyone might be interested in this one , which links Turks with other Mediterranean peoples, including Armenians and Iranians - but not Greeks, who are linked with sub-Saharan Africans. Enjoy. SouthernComfort 11:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: hehe thats funny. African Greeks and Armenian Turks(85.97.143.5 00:02, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Macedonian/Greek genetic study

message: According to the greece government and to the 2001 greek census,there is a muslim minority in Western Thraki that consists the 1,2% of the country's population(about 130,000).According to the Lausanne Treaty-Turkey is of course signatory-it is a religious minority,containing not only turks.The number 200,000 that was stated before,is an overestimation.moreover,it is supported by a link in turkish...(this is the English Wikipedia,and readers should be provided with sources that can be read by them,been at least partly in english).In addition,that site considers e.g. all Uzbeks,etc turkish,i mean it does not make any difference between Turkic and Turkish people,it is just an 'advertisment' of pan-turkism.So,it cannot be considered as a reliable source here.as i said above,the muslim minority of greece is not only made up of ethnic turks,but also of Pomaks(aka ethnic bulgarians of muslim faith),who make up about 30,000 according to Ethnologue,muslim roma and muslim ethnic greeks.Thus the number 90,000 is much more close to reality and is supported by a neutral link that i have also provided.--Hectorian 12:56, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No they are not! Eurominority is a private POV propaganda website not to be take seriously - look at what they say about the Pomaks, that they speak "Macedonian" . That's silly and we know it - they speak the Pomaci Bulgarian dialects! In this case however, if the figures are attributed to INTEREG (and they are), then they can be used IMO... --Latinus 16:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turks in Greece 

message: That tag has been up there for quite awhile. What is being disputed exactly? Is it simply the population figures or are there other issues as well? SouthernComfort 17:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's why I deleted it. --TuzsuzDeliBekir 18:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, you changed it to an accuracy tag. ;) Are there any issues that have not yet been addressed? SouthernComfort 18:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are right, I have just replaced the tag with disputed. Since, some are still disscussing about population of Turkish people who live out of Turkey. --TuzsuzDeliBekir 18:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think there are too many countries listed in the box. I don't think other peoples articles have so many listed. One could move the bulk of those figures to a new article, like Turkish Diaspora or some other such name. SouthernComfort 18:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Looking again, I'd say that all figures below the United States, as long as they valid, should be moved to a demographics article. SouthernComfort 18:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I understand what you meant by other peoples pages. You are right. Unfortunately, you should consiider that after Ottoman Empire died, many of Turks who lived out of Turkey's border remained in which they lived. --TuzsuzDeliBekir 19:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is very true, which is why I suggested a new article about the Turkish diaspora. That way the box remains neat and organized. A brief section should also be provided about Turks in other lands after the Ottomon Empire collapsed. The article could use a great deal of expansion about all of these things - it's about the Turkish people, after all. SouthernComfort 19:46, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  Sounds good. There are lots of them in Balkans, Cyprus, Arabia and so on. Well, lets start it.;)--TuzsuzDeliBekir 16:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It is just a bit conflict, we can change the name as community or something like that. Since, the idea is great. But thanks for your advise.--TuzsuzDeliBekir 16:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dispute

message: There is not enough data regarding Turkish culture - art, literature, music, cuisine, etc. Nothing too long, but brief summaries should be provided. SouthernComfort 03:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion required

message: I remember some time ago this article had a very loose definition of who Turks are. Now I see the definition has changed. Could we get an agreement on who these Turks are? AucamanTalk 00:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The definition in this article hasn't changed, however. It says in the 1st sentence, "The Turkish people (Turkish: Türkler) are a Turkic ethnic group sharing a common culture and language." Therefore, the current number in the article is correct - this article isn't about the Turkish nationality, but the Turkish ethnic group, which does not include Kurds. --Khoikhoi 00:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. The definition of "Turks" has changed due to modernity. It is now more of a cultural/linguistic group than a racial/ethnic group. Let's see what some of the Turkish editors here have to say. AucamanTalk 01:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, even if we do go with your definition, the Kurds are still linguistically and culturally distinct from the Turks. The CIA says that Kurds make up around 20% of Turkey's population, so why is the number for all of Turkey's citizens correct as opposed to the number of ethnic Turks in Turkey? --Khoikhoi 01:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, there is already an article on the People of Turkey, as regards those who are citizens or residents of the Turkish state. And Turks are most certainly a distinct ethnic group - please read that article and the definition of what constitutes an "ethnic group." And as if it needs to even be stated, Kurds are not Turks. SouthernComfort 04:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention the Demographics of Turkey article. --Khoikhoi 05:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I've been away from WP for some time, to my surprise , we are still talking about what is "Turkish ethnic group" disctinct from other Turkic etnic groups around the world and other non-turkish ethnicities within the national boundaries of Turkish Republic. I would assume that the other turkish editors like myself are tired going in circles on the same topic. Apparently some favor the ethno/linguistical elements and some racial and genetic line. It seems hard to come up with a rigid definition and the terms used are inherently fluid ( the same difficulty exists for other ethnicities also.)  When left to the individual the ethnic affiliation has a definite answer; but searching for a universal definition seems to be futile. We already have enough information about this to write in this article. We do not need to be normative, just NPOV. If there are different opinions about Who the "Turks" are we just write them all here which fulfills the requirement for an article. 
Since most of the discussion is centered around "Who turks are" we might want to include information from those who asked his question before and suplied their own point of view. (Although I am extremely interested in the history of the Hatti's, I believe the recent history has more relevant information then Hattis.) This was a hotly debated issue at the turn of the century.  That debate was about what should be the unifiying elements among the people in the Turkish State. Still inclusion of the history of this debate and the opposing ideas may make good material for this article.   AverageTurkishJoe 05:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dispute

message: User:Globo is inserting anti-TRNC content into Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (diff). I'm not sure about the neutrality of his edits, so if you're interested in the topic, please come and join the discussion. -- ran (talk) 22:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus 

message: We already have Tarkan and Sezen Aksu there. If we put in the Pekinels(thats two people), we'd have a disproportionate number of individuals representing Turkish music. Hakan Sukur is probably the most famous Turkish footballer of All time, and he's perfect to represent Turkish sport. Hakan's picture is also a frontal image, which is an added plus. And besides, if we put in the Pekinels, there'd be a female majority. Not good for Turkish male egos:) -- KSK 15:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your idea seems fine with me. We already have three other statesmen (Fatih Mehmet , Suleyman Kanuni and Ataturk). The lighting on Tansu Çiller's image is quite poor as well. Guler needs her own article. When I type in her name, all I get is Sabanci holdings, which is her company . She's certainly more than notable enough for it.--KSK 05:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Lol. nice idea. If you dont like anybody, you label them Kurdish:). User:Karaman is in all probability, User:Attaleian who insisted on replacing Sukur a day ago. -KSK 08:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Well thats exactly why we use that Hulya Kocyigit image. Because it captures her at the peak of her acting career, and shows her as how every Turkish movie fan remembers her. The one you put in has been  overexposed to too much light. There are other major issues with it too (Dimensions, blending in with other images).  Please dont take this the wrong way And btw, im not a Galata supporter:)-KSK 08:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Great.I replaced the Hakan Sukur image. The new one reflects his persona. He's wearing the Turkish team jersey and the captain's armband, which gives an indication towards who he is. The previous image was a dull front on pic, in which he had this really creepy smile:) No galata jersey in this one KSK 19:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hakan Sukur]] or the [[Pekinel sisters]] 

message: I was thinking, shouldn't the numbers at the infobox be more based on census results than on independent websites? See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. What does everyone else think? —Khoikhoi 00:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I've thought the same, but we both know what happens when the numbers go down. Some of the info. such as from Cypnet doesn't look exactly reliable. Tombseye 00:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, now we have a chance to fix the numbers now that a certain Istanbuler who wanted to make the Turkic peoples superior to all other ethnic groups via Wikipedia is banned. ;) —Khoikhoi 00:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha! Man, that took long enough. Well, I agree that the stats should reflect the census or CIA factbook (not always dead-on but they've updated some stuff for 2006 recently) or the UN. Anything but some website from the UK written by Turkish Cypriot expats. Tombseye 00:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: We actually have other wikipedia articles being listed as sources. The references for Denmark and Sweden are....Demographics of Sweden and Demographics of Denmark =)) --Kilhan 08:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, how reliable can you get? :p —Khoikhoi 08:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics in the infobox 

message: I redid the population stats and inserted sources for everything and tried to put in government sources whenever possible and tried to extricate the Kurdish population whenever feasible. The estimates are considerably lower than the 84 million+ as I could not find any verifiable information to add another 15 million to the Turkish population without adding what appears to be an inclusion of ethnic Kurds. Tombseye 18:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job, don't forget about the geographic distribution section of the page, where many of the numbers from the infobox were moved. —Khoikhoi 18:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah. Crap. Seems redundant a bit. Quite the drastic drop in Turkish population figures though. I dunno where that 80+ mil. figures came from. Tombseye 18:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmm, I dunno about how to go about this now. Some of the stats that put Turkish population figures higher come from 'statements' and the like, including embassies, but without any indication as to where the stats are derived from an official capacity. I mean some of the higher figures seem plausible as with Sweden, but others I dunno. Tombseye 18:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kilhan reverted your edits, I guess his main concern is the numbers for Europe. Feel free to correct the numbers for non-European countries for now. —Khoikhoi 19:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whats wrong with the "Rest of Western Europe" entry on thew infobox?  It cuts down on the size of the infobox and emphasizes traditionally Turkish areas(like Cyprus, romania, macedonia etc) over immigrant ones like Austria, UK etc. Seems like a great idea to me--Kilhan 19:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's too vague. We need actual sources for each country rather than some lumping together that is difficult to verify. This article will never attain any semblance of being a good article if we just input arbitrary figures that cannot be supported by official censuses, international agencies, etc. That's why I started editing the section as the figures were grossly inflated. Tombseye 21:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reordered and inserted verifiable data on Turkish population statistics

message: Excuse me but these are official figures[](2005, Ankara-based International Strategic Research Organization Figures).
Turks in Turkey are called Turkmens as well.I know that Turkmens in Central Asia are another sub-group but Turkmens in Iraq are same with Turks in Turkey.
There are no Kurds in Turkey as for the laws of Turkey.Census is census.On the other hand, number of Greeks in Greece are population of Greece in [greeks] page though there are lots of people from other ethnic groups and there are no sources about it.--Karaman 23:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not my personal feelings, but simply presenting the Turkish POV on the stats violates WP:NPOV and is not ok. —Khoikhoi 23:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Greece has a population of 11,244,118, the number there of Greeks living in Greece is 10,435,420. They're Turkey's offical figures. Once again, read WP:NPOV, we can't have things biased towards the Turkish side. —Khoikhoi 23:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It's your POV (and the POV of the Turkish gov't) to say that there are no Kurds in Turkey. I didn't delete any figures, a lot of them are here. —Khoikhoi 23:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: They're the laws of Turkey, which would make the article biased. And where'd you get the info about Italians? —Khoikhoi 23:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The CIA estimates that Kurds make up 20% of Turkey's population, and it's an offical government agency... And I'm not sure if you can determine the population of an ethnic group based on their votes for a party. —Khoikhoi 00:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Ooops, my bad, I was the one who added it. :( I guess I didn't take a good enough look at it. —Khoikhoi 02:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it's ok:). i removed it as a false map, no matter who added it...(no accusations against noone from my side) --Hectorian 02:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll say one thing for Karaman, she sure is consistent with her use of illogical reasoning. Now we're to determine the number of Kurds by their voting habits? Geez, talk about a desperate nationalist. Tombseye 17:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. "There are no Kurds in Turkey because that is the offical numbers". I forget what Inanna said to me one time about the Kurds, I think it was something like, "70% are assimilated, they are already Mountain Turks". Jesus Christ. —Khoikhoi 18:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Figures 

message: Khoikhoi has been adding this  	The Turks of Turkey can be broken down into a variety of segments and the majority of self-identifying Turks include four main groupings: Rumelian Turks who are mostly of Balkan origin, Anatolian Turks who compose the bulk of ethnic Turks found in Anatolia, (see history section) Central Asian Turks who remain a large segment of the population that has been moving to Turkey for centuries, and Eurasian Turks from Russia and the Caucasus such as the Tatars and Azerbaijanis who have more recent ties with Turkic peoples. These Turks share similar languages and cultures.
which is not true because according to it, the large segment of the population should be from central asia but its not true. They should be included in the Anatolian Turks because noone in Turkey has recent ties with Central asia other than Tatars,etc.., which are already explained below as Eurasian Turks. So it makes 3 groupings. Metb82 17:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're misreading that. A large segment does not mean the majority. In fact, it could be re-written as a large minority instead. Tombseye 16:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thats what im trying to say. The emigration from central asia that lasted for centuries, didnt create a different ethnic group in Turkey. They were mixed with the native anatolian tribes and today, the only people that are central asian Turks are the Eurasian Turks. The genetic testing also proves that, a %30 percent mixture of Turkic population over %70 Indo-european genetics. Metb82 16:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you and even the Turks who did arrive were largely from Turkmenistan and thus (according to genetic testing there) were largely Central Asian Iranians who had been turkified themselves by a small group which contributed 1/4 of their gene pool or thereabouts (along with Mongols one can assume). At any rate, I think we pretty much agree. Tombseye 01:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Tombseye, can you expand on the tukification process of Iranians? 
That is If this was the case  was it a case of elite domination or the Iraninan populations or was it because the Turkic populations were greater in number and turkification was a naturally occuring? AverageTurkishJoe 14:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Grouping

message: I noticed that Osmanlis redirects to Ottoman Empire, but according to the Turks article at the Columbia Encyclopedia, I think it should redirect here. Same with Osmanli Turks. See the section:
:The Osmanlis
:In Asia Minor the sultanate of Konya was taken over, after the Mongol wave had receded, by the emirate of Karamania (see Karaman), but the Osmanli Turks completed the overthrow of the Byzantine Empire. A minor tribe and the last of the Turkish invading peoples, the Osmanli had been assigned (13th cent.) to the border area of the Byzantine Empire by their Seljuk overlords. It was largely this position as guards of a constantly contested frontier that allowed them to develop their highly disciplined organization, which in turn enabled them in the 14th cent. to make themselves masters of the ruins of the Seljuk empire in Anatolia. Their first historic ruler Osman I, gave his name both to the nation and to the dynasty that ruled an empire extending, at one period, from Vienna to the Indian Ocean and from Tunis to the Caucasus (see Ottoman Empire). The people of modern Turkey, which was founded after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, are called Osmanli Turks. The original Osmanlis had merged at an early stage with the Seljuks, and their descendants mixed extensively with Muslim converts from the many dozens of nationalities that made up their empire.
Now I'm aware that Ottoman Empire in Turkish is Osmanlı Devleti, that's why I'd like to see what others have to say before making the redirect. —Khoikhoi 04:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see the Osmanlı Türkleri article over at the Turkish Wikipedia, created by our friend Inanna. However, that article links to the Ottoman Turks page. So perhaps Osmanlis should redirect there? —Khoikhoi 04:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about both hedging bets and erring towards accuracy by having "Osmanlis" redirect to Ottoman, which is a disambiguation page covering all the bases? —Saposcat 19:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, looks good! Thanks. —Khoikhoi 03:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: U were right. someone had been trolling again... this is how this number first appeared (based on a 1906 census!!!!) --Hectorian 02:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, I wouldn't be surprised if her next source comes straight out of the MHP. —Khoikhoi 03:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? i thought that all of her sources are/were/will be coming straight from them...;-) --Hectorian 03:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Come on now guys, no need to point and laugh :D Chaldean 03:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: For some Turkish users (no need to make an internal link again:p), all turkic peoples are turkish, (but all germanics are not germans, and all latins are not italians...). ohhhh.... and their number is always the highest estimation! never the middle one! (u know what i mean) --Hectorian 04:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, yeah I know. I think whoever put it in didn't realize that there are web tools to translate Russian to English. I use them to read Russian sites myself so I just looked it up and found no mention of Turkish people in Russia. At this rate, I wonder when we'll get a listing of Turkish people living in Nigeria or Estonia as well! Sheesh. Tombseye 04:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osmanlis 

message: Turkish people defined more by a sense of sharing a common Turkish culture and having a Turkish mother tongue, than by citizenship, religion or by being subjects to any particular country. Is that a fact or opinion? The amount of time I spent with the subject of the article states the latter. --Cat out 19:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right that Turkish identity is greatly based on ties to Turkey and Islam, but it isnt always the case. Within Turkey itself, you'd find that many people self-identify as belonging to multiple groups, such as being both Abkhaz and Turkish, or Laz and Turkish. Kilhan 16:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: None of the ethnic groupings in Turkey are mutually exclusive. It's quite common for a person of adiga descent to acknowledge his/her adiga roots but yet feel Turkish at the same time. From personal experience, I'd say the most common form of self-identification is as part of an adiga subgroup within the greater Turkish super group. Despite what many outside observers may think, Kurds in Turkey are closer to Turks than to their "ethnic brethren" in Syria or anywhere else. A Kurd from southeastern Turkey would feel completely at home in an ethnic Turkish village in Bulgaria. The very same person would probably experience a culture shock in a Kurdish inhabited region in Syria. Kilhan 17:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inquiry

message: Why is there no number for the British Turk population in the infobox? There must be more Turks in North London alone, than some of those countries. Does anyone know many people are Turkish in the UK?Marky-Son 18:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right – there are plenty of Turks in the UK (especially Cypriots). The reason those other countries are featured is probably because the Turks there are autochthonous (indigenous) communities.  Berlin, Frankfurt, Cologne and Vienna each have more Turks than some of those counties listed, and those aren’t even whole countries but individual cities! --Kilhan 17:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Turks