Talk:Igbo Jews

message: the link should be removed, the igbo Jews are not karaites, and this group has nothing to do with them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.215.131 (talk) 04:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karaite igbo 

message: It says in the article that it's believed that the Bnei Menashe left Africa at some point heading eastwards, and that this is how the presence of the descendants of Menashe could be found in both Africa and E. Asia.  Based on what I've read, as well as on common sense, this explanation seems me ludicrous.  The Bnei Menashe have no tradition that their ancestors were ever in Africa following Yetzi'ath Mitzraim, so on that basis alone, this claim seems to undermine the oral tradition of the Mizoram bnei Menashe.  Beyond that, however, is the fact that, for millennia, people identifying themselves as members of whatever shevet have lived together without the implication that there were ever mass migrations exclusively of members of a single tribe, and nobody's had a problem with it.  The closest thing to a genuine claim to such a phenomenon is that the Beta Israel are descendants of Danites who went south instead of north when they were given a new allotment by Hermon to compensate them for the fact that they were never fully settled in Gush Dan bcz of the Plishtim.  That other tribes migrated en masse is highly suspect, precisely because there is no record that the tribes ever would have made such a migration, other than Dan, for any imaginable reason.  Claims to be members of Menashe or Efrayim, however, that notwithstanding, are not quite so suspect, because denizens of the nation of Israel [i.e., the "Northern Kingdom"], when it was still independent, apparently frequently referred to themselves as Efrayim or Menashim as freely as they referred to themselves as members of their actual tribe.  Whether this was bcz of Ya`aqov's blessing on Efrayim or not is only of passing interest to this discussion, but the fact remains, that it has long been accepted that the Persian Jews who claim descent from Efrayim are claiming descent from the dispersal of the Northern Kingdom, rather than from Judæa, rather than actual descent from Ephraim, son of Jacob.  Now.  Why do I say all this?  Because it seems to me that practically all of the current article is written by someone who's trying to establish an authoritative history for the Jews of Nigeria, rather than to report an established authoritative history.  That's all well and good, but Wikipedia is not the place to do so.  In order to maintain Wikipedia's integrity as an authoritative, i.e., reliable, online reference, the WP:NOR policy explicitly prohibits such an exercise.  I'm all for research into traditions, but this stuff, which appears to be some kind of synthesis passed off as reliable history, does not belong here.  Tomertalk 05:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings Tomer.  On your first point, there are CERTAIN Igbos who believe that one group of Igbos is from the tribe of Menashe.  They are not connected to the particular Bnei Menashe in India.  This is a legend amongst certain Igbo.  There are some claims made by early writers such as Nahum Slouschz in his book, Travels in North Africa page 230 that mad the claim that there were certain inscriptions that indicated that members of the tribes of Asher and Zevulun lived in Carthage early on during the foundation of it.  I agree with you that if one is trying to write an article about the Igbos there is a format it should follow and should seperate the legend from what has had some actual scholarly writing about it.--EhavEliyahu 07:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bnei Menashe

message: I propose to move the details of the 3 lineages from the African Jew page to the Igbo Jews page.  Let me know if there's a good reason to leave it where it is.  Fayenatic london 10:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, done. Fayenatic london 14:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benei Gath, Benei Zevulun, Benei Menashe 

message: There are many Igbos claiming Jewish ancestory then those who are Jewish by faith.
On Igbo Jewish Origins
Some group of Igbo show traces of Jewish origin. A report by an African American Jew on the Ibo Landing in 2002 on the Nri religion of Igbo points out the similarites between the two cultures. 
But while the Nri may claim Jewish origins, it does not mean that all Igbo groups are Jewish. In fact, the Nri recognise the existence of the Igbo before their arrival in Igboland. There are other migrant groups that settled among the Igbo in Igboland as well and became Igbo. They include Idoma, Igala, Efik, Benin, etc. But the Nri religion and culture being imperial and overlording supressed the original Igbo culture and became dominant, ruling a vast land of what is today middle belt, mid west and deep south of Nigeria. The clash that came with the rise of Arochukwu culture, during the slave trade with the help of Ohafia, Abiriba and Abam warriors, against the Nri culure, still points to the various ideological differences and origins in Igboland.
:::Igbo Jews, as opposed to Igbo. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 15:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Igbo Jew population 

message: This article needs some sources friends. i saw some strange stuff about forced conversion. i am trying to learn more an not as an editor but as a user it is hard, if you dont have sources.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 15:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: U guys need sources

message: I am deleting the DNA information.  No DNA testing has been done in Nigeria on the Igbo that shows that they are descendents of Kohanim.  The source that was used as source doesn't show this.--EhavEliyahu 15:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In order to clarify my point.  I am the one who wrote the PDF article that is being used as the source.  I was told by word of mouth that some DNA testing had been done, but I later found out that this was not the case.  The article is incorrect because it does not give a reference for the results of such testing.  When I began to look into the word of mouth claim I found out that I had been misled.  If you want further proof that DNA testing has not been done or yeilded such results email Rabbi Goren, who is the owner of the web-site used as the source.  He orignally took the article from a web-site that I owned where I was updating the article based on newer information.  He can verify what I am saying on this matter.  Also, if there was DNA testing done the artilce does not sufficiently show the details to be the case.  When I wrote the PDF I tried to write it in a way that it it was known that it was claimed by some that DNA testing had been done.  If you contact Remy Ilona who is also listed as a co-writer of the PDF document he can tell you that though Igbos desire such testing to be done it hasn't been done to date.--EhavEliyahu 11:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleting DNA Information

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 17:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read anything R' Gorin has written about his experiences among the "Igbo Jews", who regard him as their "Chief Rabbi", as it happens, you will almost immediately find that he states that the vast majority of them fit into the category of what normative Judaism defines as "Messianic"...primarily because the vast majority of them believe Jesus is the Messiah.  68.112.202.189 (talk) 10:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There doesn't seem to be any sourcing in the article as far as I can see related to the idea of Igbo Jews being Messianic. Can we get a source on that? Otherwise I'd move for deletion of those claims. Scharferimage (talk) 06:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: As I read about the religion heading, I wondered if that could be an error or not, since I thought that could be because of the widespread common knowledge of Christianity being an Top African Religion on Wikipedia itself, and therefore somehow gone too far with it on Wiki itself. So if you found out that i'm correct just other then answer me edited that out please. And to say as I wondered, how could Jews especially the Igbo Jews be Christian as well be Jews, the Religion they practiced Most of all?-Jana
:If you read anything R' Gorin has written about his experiences among the "Igbo Jews", who regard him as their "Chief Rabbi", as it happens, you will almost immediately find that he states that the vast majority of them fit into the category of what normative Judaism defines as "Messianic"...primarily because the vast majority of them believe Jesus is the Messiah.  68.112.202.189 (talk) 10:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There doesn't seem to be any sourcing in the article as far as I can see related to the idea of Igbo Jews being Messianic. Can we get a source on that? Otherwise I'd move for deletion of those claims. Scharferimage (talk) 06:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Is there any [[True]] [[evidence]] of Some [[Igbo Jews]] being [[Christian]]?

message: If there are sources to confirm the anonymous poster's claims of forensic evidence, then please reference them. 
Otherwise, the claims by Rabi Behrman, that the there is no evidence should stand.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kopitarian (talk • contribs) 22:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for any evidence do not exist. 

message: The Igbos and Israel: An Inter-cultural Study of the Oldest and Largest Jewish Diaspora [Kindle Edition] by
Remy Ilona, an Igbo who says he studied the subject for ten years.  202.179.22.106 (talk) 12:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A suggested reference 

message: If they are not recognized as Jews by mainstream Jewish congregations, how come they are named "Igbo Jews" in Wikipedia? This is a clear case of WP:V and WP:NPOV violation - if they are claiming to be Jews, while other Jews don't recognize them as such, Wikipedia cannot take a side (minority position) and define them as "Jews". Alternative names can be what they call themselves "Ndi Igbo Juu" or "Igbo Benei-Yisrael".GreyShark (dibra) 17:32, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading title

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message: Given that the writings of Olaudah Equiano are seen as speculation, what are they doing here? There are one hundred and one groups in Africa who've rewitten their history to show that they're descended from Abraham. All speculation and have no place in Wikipedia. Indeed, Jewish tradition can probably only be traced to after the Exodus story. Francis Hannaway (talk) 15:28, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The speculation of Olaudah Equiano