Talk:20th century/Archive 2

message: NOTE: this page is a complete archive of the talk page of the article The 20th century in review, which I am now merging into article 20th century, as per the merge suggestion which has been on both of the article pages for many months now. Teemu Leisti (talk) 05:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Topics like this will tend to have a large component of redirection entries.
Any suggestions for/additions to the following subject list? 
*The World in 1900
*Events 1900-1914 (This would include revolutions in China and Portugal, Russo-Japanese Wars, Balkan Wars and female emancipation).
*World War I
*Post War World (Treaty of Versailles, the Jazz Age and so on).
*Rise of the Dictators (The Russian Revolution, Mussolini et al.)
*Boom and Bust (Wall Street Crash and beyond).
*World War II
*Post WWII order
*The Cold War
*Decolonisation
*1950s
*1960s
*1970s
*1980s
*End of the Short Twentieth Century: events of 1989-1991, including South Africa.
The World in 2000
And broad topic headings, in no order at present:
*Transport
*Communications
*Changing role of women
*Minorities etc
*Health etc
*The rise of the International Organisation
Then regional headings
*Africa
*North America
*South America
*Asia
*Australasia
*Europe (including European Union)
With a reference "somewhere" to the series "People's Century"
: I think all of these
::"*Post WWII order; *The Cold War;*Decolonisation; *1950s; *1960s; *1970s; *1980s; *End of the Short Twentieth Century: events of 1989-1991"
:should be placed under one heading as either Post WWII Order or Cold war, treating the various other headings in the story. It's important not to go into detail to much on overview pages such as this, or use heading that invoke details that will not be there. AR 22:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: List of topics

message: I would like to a section on the Russian Revolution, it's a bit 'thin' on this article.
Thanks 
PGD 19:33, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian Revolution

message: The following sentence is telling:
European powers such as Great Britain also began withdrawing from possessions in Africa and Asia.
Now I've heard that history books tend to be slanted toward white males, but come on! No mention of Gandhi,
Mandela, Ho Chi Minh?
For that matter there's no mention of universal suffrage.
I sense a major rewrite coming.
Brunnock 01:50, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
It would be nice if this article were a little more global. Tobias087 08:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Gandhi just a movie? 

message: The Palestine’s within Israel itself have also actively resisted what they term as "Israeli occupation". The First Intifada and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin are two examples of this.
Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish fundamentalist. That's not an example of Palestinian resistance.
Brunnock 01:55, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
:Whoops. Now fixed. --Slowking Man 09:46, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)
can some one metion the growing powers of china and india at the 21st century section
This section is worthless as written.
# It gets the facts wrong. "partitioned the area into Palestinian and Jewish territories with United Nations assistance." No, in actuality, the UN partition plan was rejected by the Arabs.  After Britain withdrew, an Israeli state was declared. Its borders were the result of the 1949 Armistice Agreements.
#"The ethnic, religious, and political tensions created by this have plagued the world ever since, setting public opinion throughout the Arab and Muslim world against western nations, particularly the United States, that support Israel."  This sentence completely violates WP:NPOV.  Indeed, support for Israel is only one factor in the complex relationship between the Arab world and the West, and other explanations have been offered for why the US is resented (see Anti-americanism).
#"The Palestinians within Israel itself have also actively resisted Israeli occupation in the Gaza Strip as well as in the west bank" could be implying that the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Israel itself are one.
# In general, I oppose this section since it seeks to cast the conflict as something on par with the end of the cold war, information age, EU, and other momentous world events since WWII.  This is ridiculous. Indeed, the whole Arab-Israeli conflict was largely a plaything of the Cold war powers.
For these reasons, I am deleting this section. nadav 02:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel and Palestine 

message: This is discussed at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_20th_century_in_review
IBM decided on an open architecture so that other manufacturers could produce and sell peripheral components and compatible software. The ROM BIOS source code was published. IBM did not anticipate that its competitors would find ways to legally duplicate the entire system.
and discussed further at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC
IBM made all specifications for their computer open rather than proprietary, with the exception of their BIOS. As the only impediment to an open system with interchangeable suppliers was this BIOS, it was reverse-engineered by Compaq, and the IBM PC became the first fully open-specification computer system, leading to its current dominance in the marketplace. Riding on this wave of popularity, the operating system vendors for the PC (Microsoft) leveraged their position to become the most powerful software company in the world.
--Flsaisalie 22:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was IBM BIOS open or proprietary? 

message: I think that the content in this article corresponds much more to what people look for when they type "20th century" than the current article, which is basically a list of events, achievements, etc.
The current article could be adapted and renamed "List of important developments, events and achievements of the 20th century"--Ezadarque 13:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a terrible article. From reading this article, one would think that the 20th century consisted of WWI, WWII and the Cold War. It's also almost entirely Western-centric. There's no mention of Gandhi, the Cultural Revolution or the Arab League. It's also devoid of anything regarding Africa or South America. --Sean Brunnock 13:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think you should concentrate on improving this article first. --Sean Brunnock 14:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Between this article, the survey of the twentieth century article, and the 20th century article, I wonder how many other fully comprehensive 20th century articles are floating around here (though I doubt any are really comprehensive, given the abundance of limited geographic scope tags). I feel like merging all three together into one gigantic, 200 KB Frankenarticle, and sorting the bodies out later. Is there really a true distinction between the 20th century, Survey of the 20th century, and the 20th century in review? Xaxafrad 05:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: *Does that mean the 20th century page, being closest to the above layout, should be the genuine article with the other 2 articles merging their content out and becoming redirects? Xaxafrad 02:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be named "Twentieth century"

message: It is incorrect to consider that economic growth during the 20th century was greater than in the 19th century, especially for europe and the united states. Asia certainly progressed much more during the 20th century, but the western world was build during the 19th century. --RafaelG 17:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Growth Fallacy