Talk:Posting system

message: The article on [Hideki Irabu] says that the posting system came about because of the San Diego Padres claiming his exclusive rights. This article says it came about because of Nomo. Which one is right? If it's a little of both, we should expand the article to fully explain. --Don Sowell 15:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I wrote the part about Nomo, but I didn't refer to any sources (I know, I know, always cite). This International Herald Tribune article suggests that the Irabu saga was the motivation, while this  MLB.com piece says Nomo (and Alfonso Soriano). I do agree that it's a little of both, in that losing Nomo and Soriano without compensation motivated Japanese teams to come up with a formalized system, while the Irabu ordeal created the motivation for MLB players, and by extension, MLB teams. Ytny (talk) 18:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irabu or Nomo? 

message: The popular press in the US tends to report posting fees in US Dollars --- for example, Daisuke Matsuzaka's posting fee was reported widely as $51.11 million (6 billion yen).  This leads me to assume that the Boston Red Sox offered the Seibu Lions a posting fee in a round number of Japanese yen and the news media converted it to a rough US dollar equivalent when they reported the story.  But is this always the case or are US teams free to offer bids in dollars or yen? Rickterp 14:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure they are the dollar amounts and the teams are just being playful with their bids. The 194 on the end of the bid for Kei Igawa, for example, represents how many times he struck someone out in his previous season. Torsodog (talk) 05:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And similarly, Red Sox's bid for Matsuzaka was actually, $51,111,111.11, which I'm can't find any source explaining the significance of, except possibly Theo Epstein's love of Price is Right. --Mosmof (talk) 12:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a fuller explanation of the amount. -Phoenixrod (talk) 07:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Posting Fee in US Dollars or Yen?

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* The first sentence (the introduction sentence), it says that it is in effect between Japan's NPB and MLB, is there an MLB in Japan, if not, it should read "and the United States MLB"
* The second sentence also needs revision, and since there were no set legal rules in place to govern process, problems arose. (do you mean "to govern the process"?)
* I believe that the word "major" in the third sentence is not needed. Sounds un-neutral.
* This retirement enabled Nomo to void his contract with the Buffaloes and sign with the Los Angeles Dodgers a year later where he put together a season worthy of winning him the National League Rookie of the Year award.-there is a missing punctuation here, that makes the sentence read akward, "," should be before the "where". Also that last part of that sentence read un-neutral, it should read more along the lines of "where he played a season that placed him as a candidate for the NLRotY award.
* In the past posting table, there one of the "winning bids" reads "Undisclosed", could you elaborate on what is meant here?
* Also, in what currency is the winning bid in?
* There has been a recent IP edit, where he changed one of the sentences, is the edit correct, or incorrect? (it was not technically incorrect, though I changed it to "neither team" in order to avoid any confusion)
* There are some places, which I posted above, that need revision.
:First of all, thank you so much for taking the time to review my article! Secondly, I have addressed every suggestion outlined in the your checklist, hopefully adequately. I hope this is enough to have it pass the GA criteria. Torsodog (talk) 22:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks way more better, just one thing you said you checked, but you didn't. Which was, "In what currency is the Bid under? USD or Yen?SRX 22:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I addressed it in the Process section by adding the parenthetical phrase in The Commissioner then notifies all MLB teams of the posted player and holds a four-day-long silent auction during which interested MLB teams submit sealed bids (in USD) to the Commissioner’s Office. Did you have something less subtle in mind? Torsodog (talk) 23:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I missed that. Thank you. Now that these concerns have been addressed, this article is now a GA. Congratulations.SRX 23:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: Nice article on an obscure subject!  If I had a critique it would be that the beginning of paragraph 2 led me to believe that the sealed bids would go to the player rather than his NPB team.  I may be expecting too much to ask that everything be explained in a single sentence rather than two.  Comet Tuttle (talk) 00:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd paragraph 

message: Hyun-jin Ryu is being posted to MLB from KBO. That seems to be something that should be added here, but this article is only about the NPB process. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hyun-jin Ryu]] 

message: Reading the article it isn't clear to me why MLB ever agreed to this, especially considering it only applies to Japan-to-US players and not the reverse. It doesn't seem to serve their interests at all. Perhaps someone can explain.Sylvain1972 (talk) 17:25, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There really isn't too much to explain. MLB agreed to this because they want an avenue to get great NPB players. That is the only interest the system is serving for MLB. The system is mostly in place to protect NPB from losing it's best players early to MLB, thus destroying their league. --TorsodogTalk 16:10, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  More explanation would be helpful 

message: and  (pinging both of you because you've been the most active editors on this article over the last couple of years), can you take a look at this recent edit? It introduces things that seemingly expand the scope of the entire article, to include the KBO. I removed the edit because it's mostly poorly sourced and written, but I think it warrants discussion. --Laser brain (talk) 18:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: To the anonymous editor insisting on this text: Please discuss why you are re-introducing the same text without addressing my concerns about the quality of writing and sources. --Laser brain (talk) 18:26, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

text: I was aware of the KBO version of the posting system though not familiar of all of the details. From what I can tell it looks like the systems started out identical but they have been evolving differently since their inception. I'm going to do some research but my initial impressions make me thing that it might be worth mentioning in this article but then creating a separate KBO posting system article that outlines its specifics and history. --TorsodogTalk 01:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll go with Torsodog's plan here. If what he's saying pans out, the two systems are now different enough that they need separate articles. — Dale Arnett (talk) 02:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the feedback, everyone. We're currently in a state where the lead mentions something that isn't really discussed in the body at all, other than the table covering two transactions. This goes against WP:LEAD and the article doesn't currently meet the FA criteria because of it. We'll need to address that soon. --Laser brain (talk) 11:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that the KBO posting system is the same as the NPB system used to be (i.e., blind bids and 30 days to negotiate with the high bidder). I will bring this to the attention of WP:BASEBALL, because I'm not sure if the KBO posting should go here or in its own article. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:18, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pinging  and . Just another note that the article is not following WP:LEAD currently and thus does not meet the Featured Article criteria. An interested editor needs to either fully write about KBO in this article, or split it off and remove KBO from the lead and the transaction tables. --Laser brain (talk) 13:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd say it's time for an article fork. The KBO article can be tagged as a stub until it gets fleshed out. If you don't mind, Torsodog, I nominate you to do the fork. You seem to be the most knowledgeable of us about the KBO system, and I have a bunch of things on my plate in the next few days. — Dale Arnett (talk) 16:35, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm working on it now. I'll have something worth posting by the end of the night. --TorsodogTalk 20:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding scope? 

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