Talk:Carrie Chapman Catt

message: This article makes no mention of the reason why Chapman Catt is controversial: her outspoken racism. She said that "White supremacy will be strengthened, not weakened, by woman suffrage." She also said nasty things about Native Americans. It is important that these issues be discussed. —Sesel 01:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: add what you know to the article. Kingturtle 01:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I created a new paragraph that addresses these allegations. It is well cited, so I hope everyone approves. Cfitzpatrick3 (talk) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

text: I believe this has been updated.  Feministicon23 (talk) 15:16, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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message: The Wikipedia article on Carrie Chapman Catt is mainly credible, since the information is authentic, gives a reasonable overview Catt’s life, and is for the mostly well-referenced with footnotes and external links. However, the content of the Wikipedia article is not as informative as the comparison text, "Carrie Chapman Catt,” written by Jacqueline Van Voris and published in American National Biography. Aside from lacking important detail, the Wikipedia article is far from being well organized, and is missing references in certain areas. Vois' article is much stronger in comparison to the Wikipedia article. 
	To start off with, Vois provides a far more thorough examination of how Catt developed her organizational and administrative talents which ultimately attributed to her success as a women’s suffrage leader. Vois notes, for example, that Catt showed early signs of being a feminist at the age of thirteen. She was outraged when she found out that her mother was the denied the right to vote in the presidential election. Vois also explains how Catt orchestrated a women’s suffrage debate, joined a public speaking society and became a high school principal as well as superintendent of schools. 
Vois also gives a better account of the beginning of Catt's career as an activist, describing how Catt became coeditor of the Mason City Republican through her marriage with Leo Chapman who was editor of the paper. Catt spoke about numerous women’s rights issues in a section she started in the paper called “Woman’s World.” In a related effort, Catt joined the Woman’s Christian Temperance Union which advocated for women’s suffrage and also temperance reforms.  
Vois also gives a more thorough explanation of Catt's first campaign failure under the National American Woman Suffrage Association. Vois points out that Catt’s first campaign was full of minor conflicts and dishonest politicians. Vois explains that many of the local politicians were trying to defeat woman’s suffrage by marking the ballots for recent immigrants. Many of these immigrants were males who came from paternalistic cultures which made them prejudiced against women’s suffrage issues. 
Vois' coverage of Catt's overall work under the National American Woman Suffrage Association is also superior. Vois reveals that Catt started new local suffrage branches, improved local ones, sponsored new approaches of work and inspired large numbers of women to participate in the movement. Vois attributes Catt’s success under the National American Woman Suffrage Association to her marvelous stage presence and articulate voice. Catt also recruited suffragists and educated them by hiring speakers. Catt planned their trips, made all the arrangements and raised money all in order to maintain enthusiasm in suffrage.
Vois makes a clear indication of the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago being Catt's turning point in her life, which the Wikipedia article failed to even mention. Vois reveals Catt was exposed to women from twenty-seven different countries that represented more than a hundred women’s suffrage organizations. Catt was heavily influenced to start an international organization of women, and she successfully did so in Washington D.C with the creation of the International Woman Suffrage Alliance. 
Vois also does a better job of explaining Catt’s role in the final passage of the suffrage amendment. Catt campaigned heavily in New York and organized suffrage parades which led to victories in New York and six other states. Catt’s efforts also led to an increase in the number of presidential electors for women and a Woman Suffrage Committee was established in the House. With Catt’s leadership, the Nineteenth Amendment finally became part of the Constitution.
The major flaw in the Wikipedia article is its lack of content development. Facts just
seem to be mentioned without any thorough detail or explanation. None of the information goes into much depth at all; it just skips to the next fact. The Wikipedia article's references appear to be non-scholarly; one comes from a school Web archive. Many others lack correct bibliographic information, making it hard to judge if their credible sources or not. 
The “Talk” page associated with the Wikipedia article touches on some of these weaknesses. “Jolb” dated March 2007 mentions the lack of information in the article. "Jolb" also criticized the article for being messy and terribly formatted.  This article is still in need of major improvements and is very weak when compared to Vois' article.
One final point of criticism of the Wikipedia article is its overall organization. The opening section provides a decent summary, but there is not an array of sub topical sections. There is only one section called “biography,” which gives a summary of her entire life jumping from one event to the next. Other information seems to appear at random throughout the article. Instead, it should have been broken up by sections, for example, “Early Life as an Activist, National American Woman Suffrage Association, International Women Suffrage Alliance, Passage of the Nineteenth Amendment, Post NAWSA and Death/Remembrance.”  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RiyaadAli95 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This entry went through a substantial rewrite in 2020 with improvements and updates regularly since then. The entry is quite thorough now.  Feministicon23 (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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message: South Dakota or Wisconsin? The main text says one thing, the info box by the photo another. Vincent pearse (talk) 16:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: I recall back in the late 1980s when the Carrie Chapman Catt Center for Women and Politics was being built on the Iowa State University campus.  A few of Catt's more dubious racial statements were publicized and some of the contributors demanded their money back.  It all got a bit ugly. 13.13.137.1 (talk) 23:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
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message: On Dec. 29, 2017, I edited out a reference in the text to a supposed contract between Catt and her first husband.  In Van Voris's biography of Catt it was stated that the contract was probably a myth.  ~~Nate Levin  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.57.213.114 (talk) 19:07, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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