Talk:FIRST Robotics Competition

message: Alright, since wikipedia rules require some sort of citation for everything and this page is dearly lacking in them, I'm trying to compile a list of places where we might possibly get some citations.  Here's what I have:
http://robotics.nasa.gov/events/first.php - Webcasts and archived stuff from previous years
http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/ - Recordings from the official FIRST feed of various regionals.  Includes recordings of awards.  Chairman's awards are probably good sources to get the FIRST view on things.  May also include speeches by FIRST officials, particularely during awards.  Don't cite the SOAP site though (they have limited space and bandwidth).  Put it on google video or youtube and provide a link.
news.google.ca - 
From the usfirst site, here are some good areas:
http://forums.usfirst.org - (moderated forums only): FIRST QA responses to clarify rules.  Many responses reveal some official FIRST position on portions of the competition
http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3520 - Email blast archive for 2007
http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=4094 - Archived game manuals and results from 2002-2006
http://www.usfirst.org/who/content.aspx?id=46 - FIRST tooting their own horn about impact, includes a whole whack of PDFs from a Brandeis University study about FIRST's impact on students
http://www.usfirst.org/who/content.aspx?id=956 - FIRST news releases, vision statements, etc.
Note that all of these are primary sources, and can only be used for descriptive purposes, as per WP:RS.  If you want a secondary source, you can always hit up news.google.com and get endless fluff pieces written by reporters.  Sometimes they actually contain facts that are correct.
Bongle 16:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another good one is http://www.firstwiki.net. Doshindude (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Sources 

message: Someone who is pro collaboration should probably go over the collaboration section, as I really don't like collaboration and probably didn't give its supporters a fair shake while writing the portion about it.
Bongle 19:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration 

message: Why was the championship event changed from the Epcot Center?
-I believe there was a space issue, but I don't know this for sure and have no source. --Fourpenguins 22:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  reason for championship event location change? 

message: Many parts of this article, like "scouting" and "team organization" sound like original research.  This really needs to be addressed to achieve encyclopedic quality.   Verkhovensky 17:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are known methods. It is not original research.Doshindude (talk) 19:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I think Popular Science (one of those science/engineering mags) has, and so has CNN. Copysan 01:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: NASA has a robotics team, Robonauts Team 118, so their information might be biased. RiiverEnds (talk) 15:48, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: well, they do sponsor a team... but then, so do many other companies. NASA being such a large organization, i somewhat doubt there being any bias. -- Aunva6talk - contribs  16:18, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

message: Now that FIRST has tacitly acknowledged that trained engineer-centric teams are violating the spririt of FIRST, I think that we have to include this in the section on team make up.  Additionaly, we should have some substance on the Delphi, GMC, NASA, and silicon valley teams that are essentially subsidiaries of these companies.  Let's stop kidding ourselves, the kids on these teams do no work.  Unfortunatly, I only anecdotal evidence of this.  What do you think?
*I think you're full of crap. I'm on Team 151, as students we do a HELL of a lot of work, about 95-100% of it. I bet you were never even on a FIRST team, so you can't back up your ridiculous claim. Doshindude (talk) 19:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Sir, please rephrase in the form of an opinion, not an ad-hominem attack.  Starting any wikipedia posting with "Fuck-off" is against some policy somewhere, I think WP:CIVIL.  Thank you and have a wonderful day. Dachande (talk) 14:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I just recently completed the Wikipedia Adventure thing, and you're right. It is against policy. RiiverEnds (talk) 15:48, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

text: Lol, some gracious professionalism here. hello, i'm a member | talk to me! 08:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engineer Centric Teams 

message: Do you think something should be added regarding gracious professionalism since it is an integral part of what FIRST is?
*Perhaps put something in the main FIRST page, not the FRC page.  Don't forget to put sources in too.  Should be plenty on the main usfirst.org site.Bongle 13:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gracious Professionalism

message: There are a few links that go to FIRSTwiki.org.  I don't understand the purpose of linking to another wiki when the articles being linked to, the regional and championship articles, would be acceptable articles in Wikipedia.  Is anyone opposed to creating wikipedia articles to replace the external links?Bryan Duggan 05:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's http://www.firstwiki.net, not .org. Also, there's a lot of info on FIRSTWiki that's not on WP. Doshindude (talk) 19:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: FIRST wiki Links

message: The "Sources of Contention" section is filled with weasel words and zero citations of the controversy. If weaselly statements and uncited statements are removed, the section contributes nothing to the article. I propose that it be completely removed. Copysan (talk) 23:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources of Contention 

message: The article doesn't mention it. Making a reliable IA in 6 weeks, even with a kit of parts provided is almost impossible. In one of the picture it seems that teams use a joystick. Therefore i guess they are not autonomous but radio-controlled.
This should be mentioned as a autonomous robot is a lot harder to make than a radio-controlled one. The Eurobot competition features smaller, but autonomous robots, and teams usually have to work a full year (note : they don't have a kit of parts provided) to have a working robot. Ksempac (talk) 07:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This sentence from the article explains it - but you're right, it should be made more obvious: The game changes every year, but for the most part, they involve some autonomous (computer controlled) robot operation for 10–15 seconds at the beginning of a match, followed by a much longer period (usually 2 minutes) of remote control. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autonomous or piloted robots ? 

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