Talk:Sega CD

message: "Only 70,000 units were initially available in the UK, but 60,000 units were sold by August 1993."
So 70,000 units were available for purchase and 10,000 weren't sold? The "only" and "but" in that sentence seem strange to me.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.82 (talk) 16:29, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Only a few and even less sold?

message: There's a lack of the AU system logos and machines. Why? Discuss. - 211.26.51.207 (talk) 07:36, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mega CD/Mega CD II 

message: For whoever is running through this page demanding citations, especially in regards to Lunar: Silver Star Story and its sequel being notable games for this system, I would suggest that you familiarize yourself with the subject of the article before questioning what others are contributing about it. If you did this beforehand, at the very least you'd see that there are novel-length and abundantly-cited Wiki entries for each game of the series and that the two main games of the series made their debut on the Sega CD for which they made quite an impact. You'd also see that these same two games sold so well for the Sega CD system that interest in them has warranted them being been ported many, many times to later systems such as the Playstation 1  all the way to the current iOS. These two games also enjoyed a considerable amount of press in the forms of positive reviews and rewards (as their respective articles show), and the games are still finding an receptive audience 21 years after the series' first game's release. I don't know about you, but I think that qualifies its "notable franchise" status enough that such pedantry is really not necessary.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.171.6 (talk) 02:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Lunar

message: Does this use audiodiscs? 67.188.172.165 03:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you mean "Can the Mega-CD play audio CDs?" then the answer is yes. - X201 09:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Audio Discs

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message: I am going to remove it because that controversy belongs to Night Trap, not the system.
:I agree. But next time, sign your post. - X201 (talk) 09:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The controversy section has nothing to do with the Sega CD itself. 

message: The Sega CD had been announced at the Chicago CES on January 1992. Early reports had suggested that hardware in the system would allow it to display more on screen colors (from a larger palette) than the Sega Genesis or the Super Nintendo, which was an important technical concern for consumers. In the end, the Sega CD was unable to convince North American gamers, mostly due to the cost of the console, and the lack of any hardware advancements. Many people felt there was not enough value for the price. Moreover, the game experience was little improved. Players came to have high expectations for the add-on, and Sega even promised that the Sega CD would allow a higher color palette than the Genesis. However, the end result was somewhat lackluster compared to expectations. Graphically, most games ended up looking not much better than normal Sega Mega Drive games, though the sound quality was higher, owing to the CD format of the games.
AND IM JUST GANA LEAVE IT AT THAT MAN  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.17.249 (talk) 09:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMAGINE MOJO JOJO SAYING THIS 

message: The article seems to say so, but doesn't give any proof. I seem to recall that, much like how the Mega Drive 2 was still officially simply called Genesis for the US version, not Genesis 2, the 2nd version of the Sega CD was still merely officially called Sega CD, not Sega CD 2. However, I'm not going to change the article just based on my memories. Someone needs to find a cite on the official name of the 2nd model one way or the other. 76.226.203.71 (talk) 02:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't recall the Japanese version of the console being called "Mega Drive 2", or the CD unit being "Mega CD 2" - I thought in every case, both in Japan and the US, they referred to the redesigns as "Mark 2", but officially they were still "Mega Drive/Genesis" and "Mega CD/Sega CD".  I also do not have an official source. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm pretty sure I remember the UK ones being MD/MCD 2--Him and a dog 18:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd version called "Sega CD 2" in the US? 

message: I think we have a terminology problem in this article.  The article keeps referring to the Japanese hardware as "Sega Mega Drive" and "Sega Mega-CD", when officially the subjects are just "Mega Drive" and "Mega-CD", respectively.  Sega didn't attach their company name to the name of the Mega Drive-line of products, to the best of my knowledge, so it's erroneous for us to refer to those products as such.  I believe we should rename this article, as well, to just "Mega-CD" (and we should verify if the hyphen is part of the name or not - is it "Mega-CD" or "Mega CD"?). — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The logo versions are Mega-CD and Sega CD. The written text versions are Mega CD and Sega CD. I agree with everything else. - X201 (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Bloody hell. Look up the Australian releases. SEGA MEGADRIVE. On every box, game, system, the lot! - 211.26.51.207 (talk) 07:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega Mega-This, Sega Mega-That 

message: It should be also noticed that the north American model plays genesis cartridges as well. 
The section about the wonder mega is sort of inaccurate in details. JasonHockeyGuy (talk) 09:32, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  JVC xEye 

message: There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:List of Sega Mega Drive games - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RM bot 23:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Updating to note that this RM was closed as 'no consensus', with advice to make individual move requests on their respective pages so they can be argued individually. TechnoSymbiosis (talk) 04:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: While everyone's coming here to check out the title naming suggestion...
I'm going to start rewriting this article here very shortly, per WP:TNT, like I did with Sega 32X.  My question, how would you guys feel about merging Sega Multi-Mega into this article and also into the Variations of the Mega Drive article?  After reading, I don't think Sega Multi-Mega warrants its own article, nor will it ever gain the sourcing needed to establish notability to itself, but it's certainly worth a mention (and possibly a section) here.  Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 13:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objections to that. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 16:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

text: I agree to that Red.--SexyKick 16:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Yep, it can always be forked back out if needs be. - X201 (talk) 18:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, guys.  I went ahead and redirected it to Variations of the Mega Drive#Sega Multi-Mega/CDX since it was all unsourced information anyway.  As the only remaining productive member of WP:SEGA, it's good to know this is all getting squared away and I can get these cleanups going with consensus support.  Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 02:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another point of consensus 

message: Hey there.  I recall the following points about differences between the Model 1 Genesis+CD and Model 2 versions, but I don't have sources handy for them, so I'm not going to try to add them to the article at the moment.  But if someone can do justice to them, that'd be awesome.
* The Model 1 Sega CD has a 1/8" stereo input and shipped with a short male-male 1/8" headphone cable to connect the headphone output from the Genesis to the Sega CD.  This allows the CD unit to mix the Genesis's audio with that of the CD when using the stereo output on the back of the CD unit.  Otherwise, the only way to get combined audio was through the RF, and that was in mono.
* I believe but can't confirm that the Model 2 Sega CD retained this input (for compatibility with Model 1 Genesis), but could also get the Genesis sound through the expansion bus, so using this cable wasn't necessary if the CD was paired with a Model-2 Genesis.  (I never had a Model 2, so I couldn't speak to this myself.)
Also, signing my comment.  Voila: — KieferSkunk (talk) — 02:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to find the manuals for both models but only found one for the second model.  Everything I'm putting into the new technical aspects, in its trimmed-down form, comes from the manual.  If I can find the other manual, I might be able to arrange that.  Apologies for the slow pace of my article rebuild, I've been getting absolutely demolished at work and it's kind of stripping away at my motivation to work on this.  Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 00:50, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you kidding? This is the most work these articles have seen in a long time. Thank you so much, and definitely don't worry about a perception of slow. It's happening, and that's way past fast.--SexyKick 06:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, since before last month, I was basically away for five years.  ;)  Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 00:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Red Phoenix: I found info in the Model 2 manual that backs this up.  Source: http://emu-docs.org/Genesis/Sega%20CD/Sega%20CD%20Model%202%20US%20Manual.pdf .  While the technical details about how sound is transferred between Genesis and Sega CD aren't covered in the manual (eg. sound traveling through the bus), it does talk about how to send stereo sound from both Genesis configurations to an external stereo.  It specifically notes the loopback cable for Model 1 Genesis, and omits any mention of that from the Model 2's section.  If we don't already mention it somewhere, this can probably be covered best by simply saying something along the lines of "Combining stereo sound from a Model 1 Genesis to either version of the Sega CD required a cable between the Genesis's headphone jack and an input jack on the back of the CD unit.  This was not required for the Model 2 Genesis." — KieferSkunk (talk) — 02:23, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put that in.  Phew, this'll get so much easier when I'm back on my normal schedule at work.  Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 10:45, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

text: That's not a reliable source.  If you can find one, absolutely.  But we're going to stick with reliable sources.  Red Phoenix talk 17:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical aspects between Model 1 and 2 Sega CD/Genesis 

message: Rewrite is basically complete, only some slight tickytack cleanup to do.  How's it look?  Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 16:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  We're done! 

message: I see it's been changed from October 1991, to December 1st 1991, to December 12th 1991. Any info on why or where these changes came from? I know October 1991 comes from Allgame.com, but past that, I don't know where the other release sources came from.--SexyKick 22:51, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: December 1st, the one I put in, came from the Retro Gamer source (reference 5).  Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 23:51, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  JP Release Date? 

message: The "See also" section currently contains only a link to Family Computer Disk System. This probably ought to be improved somehow, but I'm not sure exactly what should be added or removed. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 04:05, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also section 

message: OK, it might be written as such in one of the cited sources, but I don't think that it's correct that the Sega CD offers double the memory of the Genesis. Between all the listed RAM banks, I count a very healthy 856kbytes, of which 768k is shared between program/data memory and VRAM. The original console, at least according to its own Wiki article, has 136kbytes of the latter type (64k VRAM, 72k program/data memory), and lacks the other banks... or in other words, between 5.6x and 6.3x the memory, for between 6.6 and 7.3 times the original complement in total (and 992kbyte between all banks). So, which side of this coin is the mistaken one?
(An additional bit of stattery for other nerds who'd be interested in such; the 32X boosts this by a further 512kbyte for a total of 1504kbyte (almost 75% of what the PSX offered), of which at least 576k is dedicated for video, 588k for program/data and 88k for sound/cache/backup, with the remaining 252k being shared between program, data and video. Maybe. I might have miscalculated some of that...?) 87.115.171.55 (talk) 23:36, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You're going to have to cite it with a reliable source to show that change it.  Check out WP:VNT for more; WP:NOR as well.  Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 02:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

text: On the note of your  tag, I'm removing it; Allgame is considered a reliable source by the Video games WikiProject (see WP:VG/S).  Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 02:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Good eyes.  Part of the thing that happened here was there was a confusing quote from Tom Zito that the console only put up 32 colors, which we hashed out earlier.  I think this was simply missed while fixing that, and I've removed that part of the phrase.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 00:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical aspects & specs discrepancy 

message: I interlibrary loaned this (apparently scarce) book, The good, the bad, and the bogus: Nathan Lockard's complete guide to video games. It covers SNES, Genesis, and Sega CD reviews, if you'd like a lookup for an obscure title on your to-do list. The linked Google Books page lets you do a search for the book's contents.  I'll have it for the next week or so, so let me know if you can use a ref or two.  czar ♔ 22:38, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Good, the Bad, and the Bogus 

message: The lead seems to big. A lot of it is taken from the already existing history section. Does any one mind if I cut it short? Potatoechip (talk) 21:41, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead is written to be in compliance with MOS:LEAD.  Lead sections are supposed to summarize the main points of the article, so it is normal for it to share some duplication with the body paragraphs.  It's actually in really good shape the way it is, and the FA review going on right now will help catch any issues.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 21:47, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut the lead in half? 

message: Please refer to this.  It's a set of pretty good points.  I would also agree that the sources that say 6 million are likely a case of citogenesis; they grabbed their numbers from Wikipedia.  As further discrepancy, Allgame references 1.5 million.  The 2.7 million figures are period-based, though, and reliable, making them more likely to be accurate than retrospectives.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 03:23, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is POV editing being justified by original research; it is your opinion that 6 million lifetime units is too high so you stick with an earlier during-its-lifetime source that claims different. The truth is neither claim necessarily excludes the other. They both can be used and tbh I don't think that single offline German article holds any more authority than the other sources. Why is the possibility that the German article is wrong not being considered? Instead, every other source which you or others believe does not fit with this source is being discounted. That is not the way Wikipedia is supposed to work. If there are varying figures, they should all be cited and no undue weight should be given to what you or others personally believe to be correct. All these excuses to not include the 6 million figure basically boil down to original research which in turn basically consists of opinions. You are also ignoring the Wikipedia principle of 'verifiability, not truth'. There is absolutely no reason to remove those fully referenced statements. The correct thing to do would be to state 'By the end of 1994, the add-on had sold approximately 2.7 million units worldwide and total lifetime sales have reached 6 million units world wide.' That is what the sources say. That is what I'm going to insert. And you have no more authority than me to be able to remove my fully referenced statement. Dizevil (talk) 11:19, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Except when you can systematically prove a source to be inaccurate, there is no point in using it.  The GamePro article you are using has already been shown to be wrong in its figures; it cites 200,000 units for the Sega 32X, when several other sources list higher numbers.  Man!ac lists 665,000 worldwide, Next Generation lists 400,000 in North America.  Furthermore, the GamePro article makes reference in another section to Wikipedia figures, meaning there's a good chance they looked at their numbers from us to get a good chunk of them.  That's called "citogenesis", which means that figure is unreliable.  Take the Man!ac article in return, however.  They give the source of their figures, including Robertson Stephens and Sega, to name a few.  Furthermore, the 2.7 million figure is further backed up in the March 1995 issue of Screen Digest.  Retrospective sources for video games can be nice and are reliable, but if you can show they're inaccurate and took their numbers from Wikipedia, why would you use them?  Red Phoenix let's talk... 12:45, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the GamePro source isn't good. But there's also 1up, and Joe Miller, who under quoted Wikipedia's numbers for SMS sales. Maybe if there were a conflicting final sales statement that was in a realistic ballpark, I might agree with you on this one Phoenix, but Dizevil is kinda right. Plus, the 6 million number is in one of those kickstarter books.--SexyKick 00:20, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no evidence that 1UP and Miller's estimates are based on anything at all. Wikipedia took the figure from Pettus, and a variety of other sources took it from Wikipedia, but no-one knows how Pettus came up with that figure. It cannot be supported with contemporary sales data.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "There's no evidence" other than the typically reliable sources, and lack of a contradicting number. There's no number in sources, between the 2.7 million, and the 6 million. The kickstarter book actually lists out some numbers for the alternate Sega CD models, like the CDX and JVC models. That likely makes the difference.--SexyKick 01:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, to be honest.  I don't have a reliable source for it, but my understanding is that the JVC WonderMega units only sold about 10,000 in all.  Logic dictates that it's highly improbable the CDX has any responsibility for it, too; if that were the case, surely the CDX would have a higher reputation than it does, more akin to the Sega Nomad's independent coverage that the CDX doesn't have.  If you want to really throw in a curveball, Allgame only says 1.5 million, and I have to believe that's North American only, as that site tends to speak only from an American perspective and documentation.  Roughly speaking given the sales of the Genesis, I could see that as supporting the 2.7 million overall, if that's the case.  Joe Miller is a primary source and it's a little sketchy whether or not he knows for sure... he left Sega by 1997 if I'm not mistaken, and he didn't really have his hands on the Sega CD while there. Red Phoenix let's talk... 02:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

text: It's also worth noting that while we have figures up until the end of 1994, something else came in late in '94 and early '95 that would have dropped, not increased, Sega CD sales, and that's the Sega Saturn.  Unfortunately I think it's safe to say the 2.7 million by the end of '94 and the 6 million overall are mutually exclusive.  It cannot be both; it must be one or the other, just as Schrodinger's cat can only be alive or dead, not a superimposition of both states at once.  I think there's more to back the 2.7 million by the end of 1994 reliably than there is for the 6 million.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 02:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

text:  Here is the Famitsu source in Japanese. Sega's self-reported sales for the Genesis/Mega Drive, Sega CD, Sega Saturn, and Game Gear (respectively) as of March 1995/March 1996 are lines 5-8 (for Japan) and lines 17-20 (for other regions). As of March 1996, Sega reported selling 400,000 Sega CD units in Japan (unchanged from the previous year) and 1.84 million in other regions (up from 1.82 million the previous year), for a total of 2.24 million units sold.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 08:51, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why 2.7 million by the end of 1994 is more accurate than 6 million overall 

message: The lead says Sega produced one variation of the Sega CD while the variations section says Sega produced three variations.  Kap 7 (talk) 16:20, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not quite what it says.  The lead says Sega redesigned the Sega CD once, which they did.  The three variations are the Sega CD, the redesigned Sega CD 2, and the combination Sega CD and Genesis in the form of the CDX, which isn't so much a redesigned Sega CD as it is a hardware combination of the two.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 22:31, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hardware combination wouldn't be considered a redesign? The device looks completely different also.  Kap 7 (talk) 02:22, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  variations created 

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message: The cited European release date is listed as "spring of 1993" in the body, and as simply 1993 in the infobox. According to , the first country in Europe to get the Mega-CD was the UK on 2 April 1993. Should we include that release date? – Hounder4 01:45, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If you’ve got it reliably sourced, go for it.  The info in the box is because that’s all we had reliably at the time that we could find.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 20:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK release date