Talk:TextPad

message: Hmm .. I created this as it was linked from a wikipedia tip-of-the-day, but have to admit it does read like an advert.  Please improve! TB 10:44, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not that bad...G1ggy 07:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

message: : "Full-featured trial versions of TextPad and WildEdit are available for evaluation, but neither program is shareware."
Why has this been written?  How about indicating how the licence for these programs differs from shareware? -- Smjg 02:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was written because it is factual. "It's available from the web site on a try before you buy basis"  An unregistered Textpad continues to display that it is an evaluation copy in "Help About".  A registered copy displays the license code. Evaluation term is 30 days. The EULA includes the following sentence, "Evaluation Version Software Products may include software code intended to disable their functionality after the expiration of the Evaluation Term". DFH 16:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual word shareware is not used by Helios in the Textpad website. It would therefore be more correct to state that it is not advertised as shareware. DFH 16:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not shareware? 

message: has five times edited this article with this statement:
: Appears to be abandoned. No development since June 2004. No unicode support. No developers presence on TextPad forum. No roadmap published. 
The user has since been blocked for WP:3RR violation.  As I write, he/she/it has about 13 hours of block left.  Three of us have reverted this statement treating it as vandalism.  The original statement was:
: The next version released will be version 5. Many enhancements are expected as there has been a significant development period. Textpad forums
(<ref> tags removed)
User:A D Monroe III stated in the edit summary, quite sensibly, "Reference cited contridicts this edit".  While some of the posts on that thread are from people saying it seems to have been abandoned, much of the thread is to the effect that Helios has confirmed that TextPad is still under development.  Moreover, nobody but Helios can confirm that there's been no development of TextPad since a given date, so the antagonist's statement is practically nothing but speculation.  And at least one member of Helios staff has posted on the forum a few times in the last few months     .
While I'm at it, using a reference list for these citations seems to be overkill, as there is no real content in the citations besides the URL.  The citation would be better done as an inline external link IMO.
So there, I've begun to discuss the issue.  If nobody minds or gets there first, I'll clean it up once more.  Maybe with something that improves a bit over the current effort. -- Smjg 23:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war 

message: Extract from the Textpad help file: (pasted here under 'fair use')
How to Work with Unicode Files
Overview:
TextPad automatically detects 16-bit Unicode and UTF-8 encoded characters, when opening files. Unicode characters may be in "little endian" (Intel) or "big endian" (RISC) order, and the order is preserved when a file is saved.
Internally, these files are converted to single or double byte characters (DBCS), using the locale corresponding to the font script selected for the document class. For example, if the screen font for the Text document class is MS Mincho, with the script set to Japanese, Unicode characters in *.TXT files will be converted to the corresponding DBCS characters in code page 932.
WARNING: This means that it is only possible to edit, without data loss, files containing characters from the implied code page. Other characters will be converted into a system default character (normally "?"), if you confirm that is what you want to do.
Conversion:
Conversion between various file formats and encodings can be made using the Save As command on the File menu. The options for encoding are ANSI, DOS, Unicode, Unicode (big endian) and UTF-8.
The Find in Files and Compare Files commands automatically convert files to the internal format, so they can operate independently of character encoding and end of line characters. For example, a file containing UTF-8 characters can be compared to another containing Unicode characters. The code page used depends on the font specified for the "Search Results" and "Command Results" document classes.
So why did someone add the sentence "Current version is not Unicode compatible."? DFH 18:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unicode support 

message: Guys, my five times editing was not an attempt to vandalise the page, you observed the facts, but you concluded incorrectly. All my edits were closely spaced in time. This was my first ever attempt to use Wikipedia. As TextPad is not exactly the mainstream topic I made fair assumption that it is unlikely for someone to react almost immediately to my entry and remove/revert it. I observed my entries disappearing, and assumed that they were not accepted by the system for whatever technical reason. Yes, now I know that there is history page and discussion page. First time user clumsiness is not necessary a vandal in action...
I strongly disagree with the statements that "nobody but Helios can confirm that there's been no development of TextPad since a given date, so the antagonist's statement is practically nothing but speculation" -- while such statement is logically correct, at the same time it is practically useless. How do you decide that a software is abandoned -- by waiting for a developer to say it is, or by checking that some of the expected deliverables are released from time to time (betas, roadmap, new version details, maintenance of the existing version, etc)? It is highly speculative to see total lack of any deliverables for two and a half years, and yet to trust vague developer statement (vague meaning here: no dates, no details).
A question needs to be asked: in software development lack of anything verifiable for 'how many years?' is sufficient for users to say: this software appears to be abandoned? Is the answer really: never, unless it is announced by the developer? So the consumers should not question, but trust what they are told? cheers, Warrimoo 01:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the clarification.  Just to clarify my point further, part of the problem is that you seemed to be taking no notice at the time of the "You have new messages" link that appears at the top of every Wikipedia page to alert you that somebody is trying to talk to you. -- Smjg 13:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct. Note however that depending on how one works with Wikipedia the "...new message" link may not be visible at all, unless one re-reads full screen from the top. It is not a pop up message, or a floating message which follows your actions. Unless one is aware of the mechanism and familiar with the environment, one would not necessary look for it. This is amplified by the fact that many other sites use various style of static and dynamic panels informing about 'personal' and 'important' messages, typically useless or dangerous. Warrimoo 22:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Edit war - a bit of clarification 

message: has added the following:
:"Version 5 was released on 3rd March 2007, which supports utf-8 and utf-16"
Aside from the fact that it could be improved grammatically, the fact that this has been mentioned implies that TextPad has finally become Unicode conformant.  However, other statements:
* "The current version of TextPad is not Unicode compatible , even though it offers UTF-8 and UTF-16 as encodings in which files can be loaded and saved."
* "Helios have stated on the TextPad forums  that the next version of TextPad is under development; this is expected to be version 5."
have remained in place.  I'd think that the editor had merely failed to finish what he/she/it started, except that on looking on the TextPad website, I can see no evidence of the change that has been noted. -- Smjg 02:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only mention in release notes relating to Unicode is the sentence "The Unicode/UTF-8 byte order mark setting was taken from the default file extension's document class,Warrimoo 14:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have therefore removed ", which supports utf-8 and utf-16" as I found nothing to substantiate the statement.  I think this now removes the last apparent contradiction in the article. DFH 19:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Is the TextPad 5.0 section even necessary? I think the release information could be included in the introduction at the top of the page and the Vista compability could be written after the section discussing how TextPad 4.7.3 was the last to work on Windows 95, 98 and ME. DarkJedi613 20:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the section detailing last two versions, rationale being: (1) entries for similar editors (PSPad, jEdit, Notepad+, Notepad2) do not have such details, (2) entry at the top of the page: "First released in 1992, this software is currently in its fifth major version."  appears to be sufficient.   —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Warrimoo (talk • contribs) 14:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: The release notes for version 5  are not that impressive.  Lists only eight enhancements and addresses only four reported issues. 
The download page also states, "TextPad 5.0 is only available in English at first release. Other language editions will be released as they are completed." DFH 16:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only mention in release notes relating to Unicode is the sentence "The Unicode/UTF-8 byte order mark setting was taken from the default file extension's document class,Warrimoo 14:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have therefore removed ", which supports utf-8 and utf-16" as I found nothing to substantiate the statement.  I think this now removes the last apparent contradiction in the article. DFH 19:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Is the TextPad 5.0 section even necessary? I think the release information could be included in the introduction at the top of the page and the Vista compability could be written after the section discussing how TextPad 4.7.3 was the last to work on Windows 95, 98 and ME. DarkJedi613 20:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the section detailing last two versions, rationale being: (1) entries for similar editors (PSPad, jEdit, Notepad+, Notepad2) do not have such details, (2) entry at the top of the page: "First released in 1992, this software is currently in its fifth major version."  appears to be sufficient.   —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Warrimoo (talk • contribs) 14:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TextPad 5.0 

message: The installation notes for TextPad 5 state that it "is supported on Windows 2000 (SP4), Server 2003, and the 32-bit and 64-bit editions of XP and Vista."  I just verified empirically that TextPad 5 will not install in Windows ME. DFH 19:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows ME & earlier 

message: Good discussion in this article about the clip library. But when I edit it, where is this saved at? I use TextPad on multiple machines, and would like to have the same clips in both places.
:Wikipedia is not a 'how to'. This would be better addressed to the Textpad formus. But to answer your question, in 5.0 they are in C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Helios\TextPad\5.0 peterl (talk) 22:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clip Library saved where? 

message: This message is a notice to the WP contributors who have added or substantially contributed to the "Criticism" section of this article. Although I sympathize with the concerns specified in this section of the article, and although a lot of these concerns probably have merit, you can bet this section of the article is not going to survive serious scrutiny if it gets reviewed by an experienced WP editor or a competent WP administrator.
Personally, I believe the critique is not in bad-faith, and I believe that whoever put it there was not being mean-spirited or trying to make this company look bad. My personal opinion, however, doesn't really mean squat. WP policy has the last word.
I'd like to suggest if you want this section to be able to survive and "have legs", you are going to need to make it sound much less like an editorial and a rant, give it some balance, and support it with some citations and references, and also consider renaming the section header.
You might also want to read: Template:Criticism-section, Wikipedia:Criticism and WP:NPOV (see the section on "Article structure").
If you would like specific suggestions on how to improve this section, you can ask me, or ask at the Wikipedia help desk Wikipedia:Help desk. This is just a friendly suggestion to help you prevent your contributions from being tossed out. dr.ef.tymac 14:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advisory: TextPad Criticism section 

message: This page has been marked as "outdated". I am unclear on what content is outdated - the infobox is up to date, and the other content of the article appears up to date, or at least not rendered incorrect by virtue of being old. The product itself is not outdated, as there have been 7 updates this year . What "recent events or newly available information" is it missing? peterl (talk) 04:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose that question should be asked of . The edit summary does not match what transpired in the edit. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:04, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated?