Talk:Indo-Greek Kingdom/Archive 3

message: A few common Greek words were adopted in Sanskrit, such as words related to writing and warfare:[94]
*"ink" (Sankrit: melā, Greek: μέλαν "melan") 
:Sanskrit does have words 'mal' meaning dirt and 'melan' meaning fair(getting together) but none of these mean ink ! Please veryfy it properly.
 
*"pen" (Sanskrit:kalamo, Greek:κάλαμος "kalamos"):Please do check word kalamo is sanskrit at all , my impression uptil now has been word 'Kalam' widely used in Hindi comes from farsi language but not sanskrit,Please do cofirm from proper linguist.
  
*"book" (Sanskrit: pustaka, Greek: πύξινον "puksinon")
:I doubt word "Pustak" also to be of farsi orgin just check with proper linguist.
 
a "horse's bit" (Sanskrit: khalina, Greek: χαλινός "khalinos") 
"center" (Sanskrit: kendram, Greek: κενδρον "kendron") 
a "siege mine" (used to undermine the wall of a fortress): (Sanskrit: surungā, Greek: σύριγγα "suringa") 
Mahitgar 16:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do check lingustic influences again for its correctness 

message: This page has been protected due to edit warring. I have also taken this opportunity to start a Featured article review which is here. I am not up to speed with working out whether this article is biased or not, but since I know something of the criteria about writing style, I feel that there are aubstantial problems with it already. Since there is already a substantial argument about the POV, it may as well be dealt with here because if the POV is not balanced, then it should not be a featured article. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 08:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with both the protection, and taking the article to FAR.  Hopefully there things can be sorted out.  Thanks Blnguyen.  :) --Elonka 18:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protected 

message: If it's helpful, I spent some time in a college library today looking for other maps of the Indo-Greek Kingdom, and found these:
* Early India from the Origins to AD 1300.  It has a section in the "Politics and Trade" chapter on "Indo-Greeks and Shakas", starting on p. 213.  And there's a map in the back of the book, "Map 6" of "North Indian and West Asia", c. 200 BC to AD 300" that lists the Indo-Greek section.  The way they do it, they're not drawing a border, they're just printing the name "INDO GREEKS" across a section of the continent (which might be another way to do it, if there are so many border disputes!)
* Atlas of South Asia (Dutt/Gibb), p. 19, "Hindu Period", has a map which shows "Indo-Greeks: 256-180 B.C."  (roughly the same area as our "Map A")
* Oxford Atlas of World History, p. 46, has two maps.  One that shows the general location of "Indo-Greeks, 325-50 BC", and another that shows invasion patterns, as "Movement of Indo-Greeks, c. 330-180 BC"
I also found some maps that listed the Bactrian Empire, and one that listed the "Graeco-Bactrian State" in 185 B.C., though I don't know how helpful that is (like I said, I'm not that familiar with the subject (yet)).  If you'd like more details, let me know.  I could probably also scan them and toss them up on a webpage if the mapmakers here would like to see them. FYI, Elonka 05:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest a map with just the placenames, insofar as they are locatable. Any borders drawn on this evidence are guesswork, even if they are the guesswork of reliable sources. The FARC is beginning to discuss content, if anyone is interested in joining us. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Map sources

message: The assertion that Taxila is Demetrius' capital is Tarn's conjecture. He asserts archaeological evidence that Demetrius rebuilt Taxila in a different place, but as a purely Indian city, with neither the Hippodamian polis-layout, nor a palace. He gives no evidence whatever that it was a capital. This theory is widely contested; to state it as fact in the lead in undue weight. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, most authors do consider Taxila as one of the Indo-Greek capitals. As late as 100 BCE, it is mentionned as an Indo-Greek residence in the Heliodorus pillar, during the reign of Antialcidas. Actually, I think it is the city most usually credited with being the capital of the Indo-Greeks. Best regards PHG 20:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Citation, please. I know of no-one but Tarn who calls it a capital; and he gives no evidence. Heliodorus demonstrates that it was a city, which is not the same thing. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Precisely; to say it was a capital is to accept Tarn's reconstruction, only, in Wikipedia's voice; except that Tarn says that it was not built like a Hellenistic polis. (And derives therefrom his view of the Graeco-Indian harmony: Demetrius (I) adopted the Indian style and had no palace or cantonment, because the Indians accepted Demetrius as King of Justice.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Taxila

message: I added a lot of new refs and many direct quotes today, increasing the ref count to 125. Regards PHG 20:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Ref

message: Full name of the book needs to be put in the book list section. Also, please alpha sort the book section. and please make sure to use one consistent style of footnote. There are a few and I don't mind which one as long as they are a same. Some have spaces, dots after the p, pp for multiple pages, dots after numbers, spaces, and a combination of the above. Please pick one and use consistently. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 03:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this to be Catalogue of coins in the Panjab Museum, Lahore, by R. B. Whitehead. Vol I (and apparently only) is from 1914, and is indeed on Indo-Greek coins. Do we really need to document the state of scholarship before Tarn? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitehead 

message: After History of the Indo-Greek Kingdom and Religions of the Indo-Greeks, I also created Legacy of the Indo-Greeks to outsource more material. The body of the article now stands at 47 Kb!! PHG 07:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article size: 47Kb

message: This is a textbook on a different subject; therefore a less reliable source than the contending authorities. It is still less reliable when one finds that the quotations in the notes are themselves exact quotes from Mortimer Wheeler's 1968 popularization Flames over Persepolis, as McEvilley, properly, acknowledges — and the present text does not. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mortimer Wheeler is, furthermore, unusually clear, for a popularization, on the nature and extent of his authority. All his statements on Taxila derive from Sir John Marshall's excavations of the 1940's, and Marshall was uncertain whether the "Hellenistic street plan" derives from the Greeks or the "Scytho-Parthians" (i.e., the Kushans) who learnt it in Bactria. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: McEviley

message: :Narain, paraphrasing Whitehead: "It has been noted that this famous city, this great center of trade, a capital of Menander and Mihirakula, should have left mounds and coins on a scale comparable to those of Taxila" Narain, The Indo-Greeks p.237 
This will not do; Narain is outlining the view which he is about to disprove. This note suggests that he agrees with it. Please stop! Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading quotation