Talk:Bundesliga

message: what the article currently states may well have been correct when it was added, however it appears to have been changed :
* http://www.bundesliga.de/en/dfl/fragen/index.php
and click on "competition"
62.176.111.68 (talk) 19:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goal Difference 

message: More of a query than a suggestion, but just wondering if anyone can shed light on why teams aren't always listed by their German names whilst others clearly are when there might be a viable alternative, for example FC Bayern Munich or 1. FC Nuremberg, whilst 1. FC Köln is not 1. FC Cologne. -- Fips (talk) 14:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been an on going debate for some time, but generally not a real intense one. Some folks prefer to see the native name used and others insist (in accordance with Wikipedia's manual of style if I recall) that the most common or familiar English version of a team's name be used. There have been innumerable debates on it before and is not just limited to German football teams, but includes the teams of other nations, players names, etc., etc. It also generally only afflicts the larger/better known clubs/players and that accounts for some of the inconsistency. That and we haven't had a zealot from one camp or the other making his way around to "fix" things. My preference would be to use the teams real name (you know, call it what it is) with whatever English language redirects you need - but then that's just me. Wiggy! (talk) 20:07, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thanks for the feedback. It's only natural that the more common teams have adopted Anglophone names, but interesting that there isn't really any consensus on Wikipedia. And also great to know that there are jobs available for the overzealous! ;-) -- Fips (talk) 19:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: English names for German football teams

message: I propose, per WP:EN, that the bundesliga be renamed to just Bundesliga - nobody uses the convention Fussball-Bundesliga. Sandman888 (talk) 20:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. This article is currently titled not just in a foreign language, but in a foreign alphabet. You couldn't get a much clearer breach of policy. Luwilt (talk) 16:29, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming / Bundesliga 

message: Let's create a list of foreign players in the Bundesliga? so that many people can contribute.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.24.194.133 (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, go ahead. It's a lot of tedious work, but that never stopped any serious Wikipedian. If you want to create an article you have to become a member of the project aka register, though. OdinFK (talk) 06:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Foreign players

message: Little Change made.German Bundeliga is in the UEFA Ranking now 2nd not 3rd anymore.Follow the Wiki Link in the Article to the List.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.246.11.116 (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You confused the national team coefficient (where Germany is ranked second) with the association coefficient ("league coefficient") (where Germany is ranked third). --Jaellee (talk) 16:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: League coefficient

message: I have added a POV tag because this article has been named in a foreign language, and a foreign alphabet, breaching the English language policy. This suggests an attempt to impose a German-centric viewpoint on the English language Wikipedia. Luwilt (talk) 16:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The "foreign" alphabet used is the Latin alphabet. The term Bundesliga is the most commonly used in English, though this typically only referring to football. "Fußball-Bundesliga" is a much more satisfying title than "Bundesliga (football)" or the never-seen "Football Bundesliga". I will remove the POV tag, because I think that it's a misguided usage. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 18:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag

message: The number of titles is not correct, as you know, Bayern only won 22 Bundesliga titles.
Already changed it, but it was rechanged. It completly makes no sense to write in the edit section: Only 22 titles in Bundesliga.
It has to be on the page. Could be something like i.g. 22 titles (23 in total).
All other records are directly linked to the Bundesliga era, so the titles have to be also, otherwise the logic is broken.
It is time also, to specify the other club records (season), but I will do that in the near future, because most of the records will be
or are already broken by the current Bayern side. I might add some as well. They could of course, be discussed afterwards. 
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.44.247 (talk) 20:00, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Records 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: page moved per WP:UE and WP:COMMONNAME. Miniapolis 13:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Fußball-Bundesliga →  – per WP:UE. The German game is universally referred to simply as the 'Bundesliga'. The word 'fußball' isn't English and in any event is redundant  Ohconfucius ping / poke 09:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Support I do think "Bundesliga" alone in English is going to refer to Germany's top-flight football league in the great majority of cases. This should also entail a move of Bundesliga to Bundesliga (disambiguation), using a hatnote like the one at Premier League. --BDD (talk) 16:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There are active requests on both of those. Check WP:RM. --BDD (talk) 16:27, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Also, I'm very concerned that there is no move discussion template on the article itself. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You've also forgotten these Premier Leagues.... But still written in English. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:49, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference here is that the Premier League is the only one that calls itself just "Premier League"; all the others have some sort of disambiguator built into their official names, which solves the problem for us. In the case of the Bundesliga, however, all of them disambiguate one way or another, so we may as well use the official names. – PeeJay 14:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The better question, though, is what the league is called in English. And the league's own English website uses "Bundesliga" alone, with not a Fußball in sight except for the copyright statement. --BDD (talk) 15:10, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, this is English Wikipedia, and we use common names (in English) here.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. --BDD (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

text: *Comment - I've always thought Fußball-Bundesliga (women) was a particular monstrosity. Why the German word for football but the English word women? It seems inconsistent and needlessly clunky. Frauen-Bundesliga is a proper noun in any case - much like Damallsvenskan or Toppserien. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 21:37, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
===Incorrect move===
The consensus was to move this to "Bundesliga", not "Bundesliga (men)".  Discuss.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Support I do think "Bundesliga" alone in English is going to refer to Germany's top-flight football league in the great majority of cases. This should also entail a move of Bundesliga to Bundesliga (disambiguation), using a hatnote like the one at Premier League. --BDD (talk) 16:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There are active requests on both of those. Check WP:RM. --BDD (talk) 16:27, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Also, I'm very concerned that there is no move discussion template on the article itself. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You've also forgotten these Premier Leagues.... But still written in English. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:49, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference here is that the Premier League is the only one that calls itself just "Premier League"; all the others have some sort of disambiguator built into their official names, which solves the problem for us. In the case of the Bundesliga, however, all of them disambiguate one way or another, so we may as well use the official names. – PeeJay 14:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The better question, though, is what the league is called in English. And the league's own English website uses "Bundesliga" alone, with not a Fußball in sight except for the copyright statement. --BDD (talk) 15:10, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, this is English Wikipedia, and we use common names (in English) here.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The consensus was to move this to "Bundesliga", not "Bundesliga (men)".  Discuss.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect move

message: I think this qualifies as a good article. How about nominating it? Or do you see thing that have to be improved first? Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 13:38, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The article will not qualify as a good article while it has the massive unsourced trivia statistics lists at the end. Indeed it has a number of sections that have no cites at all.  All these will need improved and sourced.  --Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article 

message: The record section has grown out of hand and lacks almost completely in references. Personally I think it should either be deleted or better, if references are added by the IP who recently compiled it, be moved to its own article, along the lines of Premier League records and statistics. Calistemon (talk) 17:06, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, such an article already exists under the title of Bundesliga records. I have move most of the section there where it is more relevant.Calistemon (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Records section 

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message: {| class="wikitable"	
Season 	Champion
1963–64	1. FC Köln
1964–65	Werder Bremen
1965–66	1860 Munich
1966–67	Eintracht Braunschweig
1967–68	1. FC Nürnberg
1968–69	Bayern Munich
1969–70	Borussia Mönchengladbach
1970–71	Borussia Mönchengladbach
1971–72	Bayern Munich
1972–73	Bayern Munich
1973–74	Bayern Munich
1974–75	Borussia Mönchengladbach
1975–76	Borussia Mönchengladbach
1976–77	Borussia Mönchengladbach
* Bayern Munich* (28)
* Dynamo Berlin (10)
* 1. FC Nürnberg* (9)
* Borussia Dortmund* (8)
* Dynamo Dresden** (8)
* Schalke 04* (7)
* Hamburger SV** (7) (1921–22, Title declined per DFB)
* 1. FC Frankfurt (as Vorwärts Berlin in the DDR-Oberliga) (6)
* VfB Stuttgart* (5)
* Borussia Mönchengladbach* (5)
* Werder Bremen* (4)
* 1. FC Kaiserslautern*** (4)
* Erzgebirge Aue** (include 1955 DDR-Oberliga unofficial fall championship) (4)
* Carl Zeiss Jena*** (3)
* 1. FC Köln** (3)
* Lokomotive Leipzig (as VfB Leipzig) (3)
* 1. FC Magdeburg** (3)
* Greuther Fürth** (3)
* Hertha BSC* (2)
* FC Viktoria 1889 Berlin (as BFC Viktoria 1889) (2)
* Rot-Weiß Erfurt (as Turbine Erfurt in the DDR-Oberliga) (2)
* Dresdner SC (2)
* BSG Chemie Leipzig (as Chemie Leipzig in the DDR-Oberliga) (2)
* Hannover 96* (2)
* FSV Zwickau*** (as ZSG Horch Zwickau in the DDR-Oberliga) (2)
* Turbine Halle (as BSG Turbine Halle in the DDR-Oberliga) (2)
* Hansa Rostock*** (in the DDR-Oberliga) (1)
* Karlsruher FV (1)
* Holstein Kiel** (1)
* 1860 Munich*** (1)
* Blau Weiss Berlin (as SpVgg Blau-Weiß 1890 Berlin) (1)
* Karlsruher SC*** (1)
* Fortuna Düsseldorf* (1)
* Eintracht Frankfurt* (1)
* VfL Wolfsburg* (1)
* Chemnitzer FC (as FC Karl-Marx-Stadt in the DDR-Oberliga) (1)
* Freiburger FC (1)
* VfR Mannheim (1)
* Rot-Weiss Essen (1)
* Eintracht Braunschweig*** (1)
The problem with the current arrangement is that the lists will look squeezed on small screens (including smartphones). Plus, someone will have to rearrange tables and/or column division every time a club wins championship or joins the honour club.
That problem can be solved with , and below is how the current lists can be formatted with that template.
* 63–64: 1. FC Köln
* 64–65: Werder Bremen
* 65–66: 1860 Munich
* 66–67: Eintracht Braunschweig
* 67–68: 1. FC Nürnberg
* 68–69: Bayern Munich
* 69–70: Borussia Mönchengladbach
* 70–71: Borussia Mönchengladbach
* 71–72: Bayern Munich
* 72–73: Bayern Munich
* 73–74: Bayern Munich
* 74–75: Borussia Mönchengladbach
* 75–76: Borussia Mönchengladbach
* 76–77: Borussia Mönchengladbach
* 77–78: 1. FC Köln
* 78–79: Hamburger SV
* 79–80: Bayern Munich
* 80–81: Bayern Munich
* 81–82: Hamburger SV
* 82–83: Hamburger SV
* 83–84: VfB Stuttgart
* 84–85: Bayern Munich
* 85–86: Bayern Munich
* 86–87: Bayern Munich
* 87–88: Werder Bremen
* 88–89: Bayern Munich
* 89–90: Bayern Munich
* 90–91: 1. FC Kaiserslautern
* 91–92: VfB Stuttgart
* 92–93: Werder Bremen
* 93–94: Bayern Munich
* 94–95: Borussia Dortmund
* 95–96: Borussia Dortmund
* 96–97: Bayern Munich
* 97–98: 1. FC Kaiserslautern
* 98–99: Bayern Munich
* 99–00: Bayern Munich
* 00–01: Bayern Munich
* 01–02: Borussia Dortmund
* 02–03: Bayern Munich
* 03–04: Werder Bremen
* 04–05: Bayern Munich
* 05–06: Bayern Munich
* 06–07: VfB Stuttgart
* 07–08: Bayern Munich
* 08–09: VfL Wolfsburg
* 09–10: Bayern Munich
* 10–11: Borussia Dortmund
* 11–12: Borussia Dortmund
* 12–13: Bayern Munich
* 13–14: Bayern Munich
* 14–15: Bayern Munich
* 15–16: Bayern Munich
* 16–17: Bayern Munich
* 17–18: Bayern Munich
* Bayern Munich* (28)
* Dynamo Berlin (10)
* 1. FC Nürnberg* (9)
* Borussia Dortmund* (8)
* Dynamo Dresden** (8)
* Schalke 04* (7)
* Hamburger SV** (7) (1921–22, Title declined per DFB)
* 1. FC Frankfurt (as Vorwärts Berlin in the DDR-Oberliga) (6)
* VfB Stuttgart* (5)
* Borussia Mönchengladbach* (5)
* Werder Bremen* (4)
* 1. FC Kaiserslautern*** (4)
* Erzgebirge Aue** (include 1955 DDR-Oberliga unofficial fall championship) (4)
* Carl Zeiss Jena*** (3)
* 1. FC Köln** (3)
* Lokomotive Leipzig (as VfB Leipzig) (3)
* 1. FC Magdeburg** (3)
* Greuther Fürth** (3)
* Hertha BSC* (2)
* FC Viktoria 1889 Berlin (as BFC Viktoria 1889) (2)
* Rot-Weiß Erfurt (as Turbine Erfurt in the DDR-Oberliga) (2)
* Dresdner SC (2)
* BSG Chemie Leipzig (as Chemie Leipzig in the DDR-Oberliga) (2)
* Hannover 96* (2)
* FSV Zwickau*** (as ZSG Horch Zwickau in the DDR-Oberliga) (2)
* Turbine Halle (as BSG Turbine Halle in the DDR-Oberliga) (2)
* Hansa Rostock*** (in the DDR-Oberliga) (1)
* Karlsruher FV (1)
* Holstein Kiel** (1)
* 1860 Munich*** (1)
* Blau Weiss Berlin (as SpVgg Blau-Weiß 1890 Berlin) (1)
* Karlsruher SC*** (1)
* Fortuna Düsseldorf* (1)
* Eintracht Frankfurt* (1)
* VfL Wolfsburg* (1)
* Chemnitzer FC (as FC Karl-Marx-Stadt in the DDR-Oberliga) (1)
* Freiburger FC (1)
* VfR Mannheim (1)
* Rot-Weiss Essen (1)
* Eintracht Braunschweig*** (1)
In fact, I have applied the template to the lists in this article, but somebody reverted the change, saying the previous format was better. 
Come on. It's the age of responsive web design. The new arrangement makes much more sense than current one, and it will benefit those reading on smaller screens. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 11:34, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no expertise regarding best practice here, but personally I like the new formatting you made. Even on a decently-sized screen the new format looks nicer, especially for the list of BL-champions. OdinFK (talk) 16:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting champions list and honours list