Talk:2005 German federal election

message: Right after the results are in (a few hours after the election ends) the leaders of the important partys meet to have a first debate about what's happening now. This is called the "Elefantenrunde" and it's live on TV. The 2005 election is famous for still-chancellor Schröder acting like a drunken fool, totally ignoring his defeat. He even 'decided' that other partys would have to change their leadership and made fun of Merkel (who would become chancelor in the end) because (paraphrasing here) "No one in a clear state of mind would even think about discussing a coalition with her on top."
This should be noted as it is definately a very well known detail and it was discussed for years. I provide a link to the log of the discussion from STERN, a well established german magazin.
http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/elefantenrunde-im-wortlaut--machen-sie-sich-da-gar-nichts-vor--3298006.html
176.94.36.146 (talk) 12:00, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Elefantenrunde

message: The Results section here says "Gerhard Schroeder said he would negotiate with all parties that had won seats except the Left Party", but  says this about Angela Merkel. Are both right? Or is there a mistake? Nick8325 21:52, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Both said it. -83.129.6.207 01:58, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct information? 

message: How about some of the preliminary results, and mention of the possible coalitions in the lead? Pcb21| Pete 09:36, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for adding that info - it hasn't come across the news in the UK yet. I don't have a view about the placement of the results table, but I think they normally go quite far down, with articles following a rough timeline (so, background and campaign before the result table, consequences after, etc.).
I moved the results up, becuse I think they are more important than the background about the different campaigns and so on. Maybe one could also include two pictures from commons (from the German article):
 
-- till we ☼☽ | Talk 13:23, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lop-sided article? 

message: I just want to say I find it obnoxious that in the results table I'm forced to add the CDU and CSU percentages together in my head. Why can't they be combined, perhaps in a third row specifically for that purpose? Everyking 05:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: CDU/CSU

message: 1. http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,375587,00.html is a good (not very deep) overview about the current situation.
2. I adjusted the party colours so that they resemble more the colours used in Germany's TV and statistics. 
3. The article says "38. federal elections". In fact, these are the elections to the 16th Bundestag (the 16. federal elections). It is highly unusal to count the imperial elections or the Weimar republic elections. The same is true for the other "German federal election" articles. 
till we ☼☽ | Talk 16:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to "16th" only yesterday, which is the proper denomination in Germany. --213.54.194.63 20:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Colors and misc

message: :Both Angela Merkel (CDU) and Gerhard Schröder (SPD) claimed victory and the Chancellorship, and both have said that they would negotiate with all parties that had won seats except the Left Party.
Can someone explain why this is so? Sortan 01:43, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Left Party are loonies.  But we can't say that. ;) (The far right don't have any seats, but the big parties wouldn't work with them either). Mark1 02:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left party alliance? 

message: I re-numbered all the elections linked from Elections in Germany according to the different political systems they took place in, synching the FRG elections with the Bundestag legislatures (now the 16th). An anyonymous user (from Norway, if I read the IP numbers correctly) changed them back and argued with some obscure Bundesverfassungsgericht decision about the continuing identity of the German Reich in the Federal Republic of Germany today. From a political or historical point of view, this legal continuity of identity is of second importance, the first importance is the political system -- the Kaiser of the Empire, the Weimar Republic Constitution, the Nazi Germany abolishment of all parties besides the NSDAP, the GDR Sonderweg and the political system of the FRG Grundgesetz. So I think there are good arguments for numbering elections according to this different political systems, not in continuity (the German Wikipedia does it the same way). The anonymous user reverts back (now from different IPs and calling me the vandal to be banned), I revert back, something that seems very much like an edit war in the beginning. Maybe some arguments from parties not involved would be helpful. See Talk:Elections in Germany for a starting point. -- till we ☼☽ | Talk 21:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbering again 

message: Put it back you wallies  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.103.87 (talk) 21:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results table 

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