Talk:Hasan Tiro

message: Why do you keep erasing this:
:He tried but failed to get the former revolutionary, Daud Beureuch's, offical endorsement and instead issued a, "Declartion of Independence of Acheh-Sumatra". However, Ken Conboy in his book, Kopassus, alleges that di Tiro received secret support from Beureueh.
You are the one who insists that Daud Beureuch secretly gave di Tiro support why are you trying to erase your own points? -- Esemono (talk) 13:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Daud Beureuch's, offical endorsement

message: Since a slow-moving edit war has continued for several weeks, I have placed the article under full protection. Editors who want their views to be taken seriously are advised to clearly explain them on Talk. I see that there has already been a Wikipedia:Third opinion that was provided. What do the editors here think about the third opinion? Does it resolve the outstanding issues, or is there more to be decided? EdJohnston (talk) 16:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see above a third opinion was given and respected by everyone but the IP who uses various IP sock puppets to reverse the consensus. -- Esemono (talk) 23:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: After some research and going over the sources.  It seems that all evidence and sources points to:
A - Suhurto revoked all special automony for Aceh BUT didn't change the name, the special automous zone of Aceh.<BR>
B - In addition to Di Tiro not wanting to be a slave to dutch he didn't want the Aceh people to be slaves to the Javanese.<BR>
C - Di Tiro chose Independence because of how Indonesia revesered the autonomy granted after the Daud Beureuch uprising. -- MrIndoJava (talk) 03:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: I'm slowly taking an interest in seeing this lamest of edit wars stop. I am an outsider to the debate and don't know it's details. However, I note there are two protagonists and suggest it stops immediately. If not I will request the page be locked for editing. Please note that this might result in the the wrong version. It's ridiculous, and a case could easily be made for a block of both participants. (less importantly, but helpful, would be for the anon user to register - not that the registered participant should feel they are in some sort of moral higher ground because they are registered). 
I will watch. Stop being lame. --Merbabu (talk) 04:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just reverted the anon. Despite suggesting the opposite, he does not have consensus for his views. This is evident on the talk page, the third opinions, and the other contributors listed in the article history. In fact, in disputes such as this, the "truth" or the "correct version" take a second place to consensus. No matter how correct you think you are, consensus ultimately rules on wikipedia. The anon may want to argue that because he disagrees, then there is no consensus for the other view either. Perhaps that is technically true. But, it appears that the anon has no intent on reaching a compromise that consensus would require - then we are left with brute force of numbers. While he may point out that many overriding one is not consensus, it is better than one overriding many. --Merbabu (talk) 09:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL, I think you are waaay off-topic with your hostile and war-like talk of numerical superiority etc. Obviously that kind of unproductive talk would lead us nowhere so I won't comment on that. Just stick to this topic, i.e. everyone has failed to show me by which law or regulation does the supposed "revocation of autonomy" of 1962 Aceh autonomy took place.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.160.196.127 (talk) 16:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to assume good faith, and assume that because you have an dynamic IP you didn't see the warning I placed against further edit warring at User talk:125.160.199.95. Please cease your edit warring and discuss your concerns here. Given that you have a dynamic IP address and appear keen on this topic you really should register an account so that editors can contact you (again, this is not compulsory, but it is important if you want to be taken seriously). If you continue your disruptive editing your accounts may be blocked. Nick-D (talk) 22:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to Nick's comments, may I suggest you show good faith by registering and not reverting til you get people to agree on this page. As I've suggested, that might mean working on a compromise that acknowledges that there ismore than one "version" of the issue - this is very common in wikipedia, and it's one way to achieve a WP:NPOV. Otherwise, people are just going to assume that you intend to "win" by revert which as you correctly say, will lead nowhere. --Merbabu (talk) 22:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war - enough

message: I don't know the details of this subject or the details of this dispute (i don't really want to!), but edits such as these suggest to me that the anon user needs reminding that the criteria for inclusion is not "truth" but verifiability. If there are reliable sources saying something, then that is enough. THe first part of that edit shows you removing reliably sourced info. The next thing to is, if there are in fact two conflicting sources representing two conflicting view points as the "Creating GAM" section suggests, the editors need to work out how to include both viewpoints - if they are both notable and verifiable. 
Also, if you want to be taken seriously, get a username. The way I express that is not quite policy, but it's the reality. thanks --Merbabu (talk) 08:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just reverted the anon. Despite suggesting the opposite, he does not have consensus for his views. This is evident on the talk page, the third opinions, and the other contributors listed in the article history. In fact, in disputes such as this, the "truth" or the "correct version" take a second place to consensus. No matter how correct you think you are, consensus ultimately rules on wikipedia. The anon may want to argue that because he disagrees, then there is no consensus for the other view either. Perhaps that is technically true. But, it appears that the anon has no intent on reaching a compromise that consensus would require - then we are left with brute force of numbers. While he may point out that many overriding one is not consensus, it is better than one overriding many. --Merbabu (talk) 09:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL, I think you are waaay off-topic with your hostile and war-like talk of numerical superiority etc. Obviously that kind of unproductive talk would lead us nowhere so I won't comment on that. Just stick to this topic, i.e. everyone has failed to show me by which law or regulation does the supposed "revocation of autonomy" of 1962 Aceh autonomy took place.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.160.196.127 (talk) 16:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to assume good faith, and assume that because you have an dynamic IP you didn't see the warning I placed against further edit warring at User talk:125.160.199.95. Please cease your edit warring and discuss your concerns here. Given that you have a dynamic IP address and appear keen on this topic you really should register an account so that editors can contact you (again, this is not compulsory, but it is important if you want to be taken seriously). If you continue your disruptive editing your accounts may be blocked. Nick-D (talk) 22:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to Nick's comments, may I suggest you show good faith by registering and not reverting til you get people to agree on this page. As I've suggested, that might mean working on a compromise that acknowledges that there ismore than one "version" of the issue - this is very common in wikipedia, and it's one way to achieve a WP:NPOV. Otherwise, people are just going to assume that you intend to "win" by revert which as you correctly say, will lead nowhere. --Merbabu (talk) 22:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: To the Anon editor

message: As I and anyone who has researched this topic have already stated there are many verifable sources that prove that the Indonesian government, in all but name, REVERSED the special autonomy status of Aceh:
:-When indonesia's old order under Sukaron was superseded by President Suharto's New Order, Jakarta embarked upon political and economic centralization ... The impact of Suharto's centralization policy on Aceh cannot be overstated.  In all but name, it REVERSED the special autonomy status. Pg 85 - Terror, Insurgency, and State: Ending Protracted Conflicts
:-But in 1968 shortly after Suharto cam to power, the Acehnese government's special autonomy was effectively revoked. Pg 39 Resources and Rebellion in Aceh , Indonesia
:-[the peace agreement gave] the province autonomy in matters of religion, customary law (adat), and education. The second insurgency, started in 1976 with the establishment of the [GAM] Like the Darul Islam rebellion, it was triggered by unhappy center/periphery relations—namely the removal of special status in all but name. - The Free Aceh Movement (GAM): Anatomy of a Separatist Organization - Kirsten E. Schulze
:-Under Suharto the government became increasingly centralized in Jakarta. The years of autonomy in name only, during which foreign companies and Javanese settlers were awarded contracts to harvest Aceh’s substantial natural resources at the expense of the indigenous population, along with a repressive military presence, served to embitter many in Aceh. - Indonesia’s Aceh Conflict
We don't need to provide the specifec laws or Presidential decresses that were passed as that would involve original research and under Wikipedia policy original research is not allowed.  What everyone has provided are sources that show that the Indonesian government under Suharto did reverse the autonomy status.-- Esemono (talk) 02:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that at least officially, the province kept its autonomy status. Is that correct? Further, the statement " the Indonesian government, in all but name, REVERSED the special autonomy status of Aceh" might be more accurate than simply saying something along the lines of "the Indonesian govt maintained the provinces autonomy status." However, User:Esemono's wording, even if it provides more than just the official account, is a paraphrased and proving a little provocative to an editor. It seems your preferred wording is merely carrying on the simplistic phrasing of the sources - ie, it seems to be telling us autonomy was all but officially revoked without actually showing. It seems you are quoting opinion (albeit presumably reliable opinion), rather than facts/events. So, why not provide how it was effectively revoked, rather than just asking the reader to take our word for it?  Ie (from my limited understanding of the situation): "While, the Indonesian Government officially maintained Aceh's autonomy [or agreeable words to that effect], however, foreign companies and Javanese settlers were awarded contracts to harvest Aceh’s substantial natural resources at the expense of the indigenous population, along with a repressive military presence, served to embitter many in Aceh. " While I tend to lean towards accepting your "version" of Aceh, it doesn't necessarily mean it's been appropriately handled in the correct wikipedia way - your preferred wording seems very editorialised. WIkipedia is about facts, not opinion. I don't think you have the wrong idea - I lean towards what you are trying to do - but I think the implementation could be improved. Show, don't tell. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 04:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How exactly can I show it?  Do you want me to research how he reversed on my own and then publish the results of my original research on wikipedia?  I'm far from an expert which is why I'm relying on people who are aka reliable sources.  Far from trying to antagonize the ANON user I'm just trying to tell what the sources say while removing obvious POV, i.e. making up words like ethnic-chauvinism.  I mean I thought by using facts  and quotes and not changing or altering what the original sources say was the correct way.  So I should rewrite what the sources say?   -- Esemono (talk) 09:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: revocation of autonomy

message: I have just semi-protected the article for two weeks as the IP editor is continuing their edit warring. This will prevent it from being edited by both unregistered and newly-registered editors. This appears to be the best way of tamping down this dispute as there appears to be a consensus on the article's content which is being disrupted by an editor using a dynamic IP (and hence is difficult to block through the usual means). The IP editor will still be able to edit this talk page, and I again encourage them to make use of it. Nick-D (talk) 22:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I support the actions of Nick-D. I've been watching this page for a long time, with frustration due to the constant reverts. Since one side of the dispute is always this single IP, who declines to register, and shows up with a different address every time, I'm inclined to think he is not editing in good faith. Notice the comment about war-like talk of numerical superiority. I think that's his way of admitting that the consensus is against him. EdJohnston (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: semi-protect still allows the anon to use the talk page, right??? I am glad the edit warring has stopped, but it not be fair to stop the anon having their say here. Thanks. --Merbabu (talk) 22:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He has an account now, Povo-Maubere. -- Esemono (talk) 22:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Yep; the talk page is not protected in any way. Nick-D (talk) 00:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected 

message: Hasan di Tiro helped Gaddafi support the Free Papua Movement, the Kanak faction in New Caledonia, the South Maluku Separatists, and the Moro separatists in the Philippines.
Republic of South Maluku Papua conflict Free Papua Movement Moro insurgency in the Philippines Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
http://books.google.com/books?id=i4h0AAAAMAAJ&q=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&dq=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eUUKUvjwA8HCywH26IG4Dg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=aDgnAQAAIAAJ&q=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&dq=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&hl=en&sa=X&ei=okUKUvzFJsSEyAGW2YCQDA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA
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The insurgency
http://uca.edu/politicalscience/dadm-project/asiapacific-region/indonesiaaceh-1949-present/
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/01/indo-j06.html
http://reliefweb.int/report/indonesia/aceh-rebels-kill-six-indonesian-soldiers-ambush
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/29297
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/24/world/indonesian-troops-kill-leader-of-a-province-s-separatist-group.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=w5DEEClMsy8C&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=aceh+killed+indonesian+soldiers&source=bl&ots=L_1Cv6FiYH&sig=GHUDiY32KyOSajPVEK1vumPKOwI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BLZIU_LBB_DJsQTTlIGICA&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=aceh%20killed%20indonesian%20soldiers&f=false
http://www.solidarity-us.org/site/node/891
http://www.sacw.net/Wmov/RCoomaraswamyOnHonour.html
http://www.reocities.com/CapitolHill/4120/unletter.html
http://home.snafu.de/watchin/Coomaraswamy.htm
Rajmaan (talk) 03:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hassan di Tiro's alliance with Libya and other separatist movements 

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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
http://books.google.com/books?id=i4h0AAAAMAAJ&q=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&dq=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eUUKUvjwA8HCywH26IG4Dg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=i4h0AAAAMAAJ&q=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee&dq=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BVQhU4y3K-PD0QG0g4GwDg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA
Title	Pacific Islands Monthly, Volume 59
Publisher	Pacific Publications., 1988
Original from	the University of Michigan
Digitized	Sep 15, 2008
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http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=In+an+exclusive+interview+with+Pacific+Islands+Monthly,+at+his+headquarters+in+Tripoli,+he+outlined+Mathaba's+organisation+and+aims+for+the+Asia+Pacific+region.+The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+...&dq=In+an+exclusive+interview+with+Pacific+Islands+Monthly,+at+his+headquarters+in+Tripoli,+he+outlined+Mathaba's+organisation+and+aims+for+the+Asia+Pacific+region.+The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1DdDU4jIBqLn2AX23YDoDA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+rather+inclusive+full+title,+is+%22the+Libyan+way+of+supporting+liberation+movements,+either+morally+or+financially,+depending+on+the+situation+but+not+militarily,%22+...&dq=The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+rather+inclusive+full+title,+is+%22the+Libyan+way+of+supporting+liberation+movements,+either+morally+or+financially,+depending+on+the+situation+but+not+militarily,%22+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=p2ZLU_qcL8rmsATY54HQDA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
 	
 	
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http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&dq=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VmhLU7X3Gau_sQSEvIKoAg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
 
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&dq=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mWdLU_S4KKLesAT8p4LYBw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
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Title	Pacific Islands Monthly: PIM., Volume 59, Issues 1-10
Publisher	Pacific Publications, 1988
Original from	the University of Virginia
Digitized	Apr 8, 2009
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=aDgnAQAAIAAJ&q=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&dq=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&hl=en&sa=X&ei=okUKUvzFJsSEyAGW2YCQDA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA
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message: Hassan called Indonesian rule over Aceh and other places like East Timor, West Papua and the Moluccas as Javanese domination.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ArvtbBOPwGIC&pg=PT125&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=T61pQx1w3soC&pg=PA70&dq=In+Hasan+di+Tiro's+terms,+“indonesians”+are+a+“non-existent+human+species”+(di+Tiro+1984a,+68).+In+his+writings,+the+very+idea+of+Indonesia+is+an+absurd+falsehood,+a+thin+façade+covering+Javanese+dominance.+His+“redeclaration+of+independence+”&hl=en&sa=X&ei=c_M1U6T4DMLIsASp-YKQBQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
Tiro engaged in racist rhetoric against Javanese, calling them "barbarians", "stupid", "insolent", relatives of monkeys, and insinuated that they were descended from Pithecanthropus erectus.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ArvtbBOPwGIC&pg=PT126#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=T61pQx1w3soC&pg=PA71&dq=At+one+point+he+reminds+his+readers+that+monkeys+were+“a+very+distant+relative+of+the+Javanese,+but+relatives+nevertheless”+(212).+Elsewhere+he+returns+to+the+theme+that+the+Javanese+“have+strong+traces+of+pithecanthropus+erectus+lines”+(+317).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=m_Q1U-aQELPUsAT6nIBw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
Hasan put the Javanese on the same level as the Dutch as colonialists
http://books.google.com/books?id=nV48FbJx1gQC&pg=PA135&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=yNTQ-BDLPxIC&pg=PA40&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=pcEo7YPKMxUC&pg=PA137&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CGUQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=M5SpAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA93&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=byaQPK4I2TQC&pg=PT100&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2nUJFtoHq7YC&pg=PA73&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ioNExtynHNcC&pg=PA171&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CGAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=PfF8Y9nZE3oC&pg=PA181&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CFsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
Title	The Price of Freedom: The Unfinished Diary, Volume 1
The Price of Freedom: The Unfinished Diary, National Liberation Front Acheh Sumatra. Information Dept
Author	Hasan Muhammad Tiro
Contributor	National Liberation Front Acheh Sumatra. Information Dept
Publisher	Information Department, National Liberation Front Acheh Sumatra
http://books.google.com/books?id=XDcsAAAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=QKgraWbb7yoC&pg=PA62&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=weM1U6r5KfS0sQT1gIGwDw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q2J3YXhZaG8C&pg=PA235&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese%20borneo%20papua&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=PyEPAAAAYAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.com/books?id=PyEPAAAAYAAJ&q=SUMATRA.+Indonesian+forces+have+been+engaged+in+a+protracted+struggle+to+suppress+an+independence+movement+in+Acheh,+a+province+on+the+...+Tengku+Hasan+M.+di+Tiro,+who+published+an+article+explaining+the+background+to+the+independence+movement+in+FREEDOM+AT+ISSUE,+from+which+we+...+It+is+composed+of+six+major+groups+of+islands:+Acheh+Sumatra,+Borneo,+the+Celebes,+the+Moluccas,+West+Papua+and+Java.+...+%5BTengku+Hasan+M.+di+Tiro,+%22Indonesia:+Bastion+of+Colonialism?&dq=SUMATRA.+Indonesian+forces+have+been+engaged+in+a+protracted+struggle+to+suppress+an+independence+movement+in+Acheh,+a+province+on+the+...+Tengku+Hasan+M.+di+Tiro,+who+published+an+article+explaining+the+background+to+the+independence+movement+in+FREEDOM+AT+ISSUE,+from+which+we+...+It+is+composed+of+six+major+groups+of+islands:+Acheh+Sumatra,+Borneo,+the+Celebes,+the+Moluccas,+West+Papua+and+Java.+...+%5BTengku+Hasan+M.+di+Tiro,+%22Indonesia:+Bastion+of+Colonialism?&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7vY1U-b7NsGmsASghYGIBw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=XDcsAAAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAw
http://books.google.com/books?id=XDcsAAAAMAAJ&q=The+Unfinished+Diary+Hasan+Muhammad+Tiro+...+%5BDECEMBER+23,+1978%5D+The+NLFAS+forces+in+Pase+Province+attacked+Javanese+settlers/colonization+project+(+they+called+it+'transmigration+...+Javanese+settlers+to+Acheh+Sumatra,+West+Papua,+South+Moluccas,+the+Celebes,+Borneo+and+other+non-+Javanese+islands+with+the+...&dq=The+Unfinished+Diary+Hasan+Muhammad+Tiro+...+%5BDECEMBER+23,+1978%5D+The+NLFAS+forces+in+Pase+Province+attacked+Javanese+settlers/colonization+project+(+they+called+it+'transmigration+...+Javanese+settlers+to+Acheh+Sumatra,+West+Papua,+South+Moluccas,+the+Celebes,+Borneo+and+other+non-+Javanese+islands+with+the+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=J_c1U9TJD46zsASl4IGoBQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=GskQAQAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA
http://books.google.com/books?id=GskQAQAAMAAJ&q=It+grew+from+a+small+number+of+Hasan+di+Tiro's7+followers+into+a+movement+of+thousands+holding+control+over+substantial+areas+of+Aceh.+...+but+special+vitriol+is+reserved+for+Java,+the+Javanese,+and+above+all,+Jakarta+Di+Tiro+claims+that+GAM+members+have+been+labeled+%22Muslim+...+All+this+leads+to+the+conclusion+that+peoples+in+South+Maluku,+West+Papua,+Sulawesi,+Borneo,+and+East+Timor+are+also+colonies.&dq=It+grew+from+a+small+number+of+Hasan+di+Tiro's7+followers+into+a+movement+of+thousands+holding+control+over+substantial+areas+of+Aceh.+...+but+special+vitriol+is+reserved+for+Java,+the+Javanese,+and+above+all,+Jakarta+Di+Tiro+claims+that+GAM+members+have+been+labeled+%22Muslim+...+All+this+leads+to+the+conclusion+that+peoples+in+South+Maluku,+West+Papua,+Sulawesi,+Borneo,+and+East+Timor+are+also+colonies.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Y_c1U_u-H4WhsATeg4HACg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=AcBwAAAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=AcBwAAAAMAAJ&q=First+there+were+the+European+colonialists,+now+it+is+the+Javanese+colonialists.+The+irony+is+that+...+This+intensified+even+further+when+on+December+4,+1976,+Dr+Tgk+Hasan+di+Tiro+declared+the+independence+of+Acheh+Sumatra.+The+date+had+...+East+Timor,+West+Papua,+the+Moluccas,+Borneo+and+the+Celebes+now.+He+said+that+...&dq=First+there+were+the+European+colonialists,+now+it+is+the+Javanese+colonialists.+The+irony+is+that+...+This+intensified+even+further+when+on+December+4,+1976,+Dr+Tgk+Hasan+di+Tiro+declared+the+independence+of+Acheh+Sumatra.+The+date+had+...+East+Timor,+West+Papua,+the+Moluccas,+Borneo+and+the+Celebes+now.+He+said+that+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lPc1U97ZOfi2sATgt4DQDg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
28
http://books.google.com/books?id=iNSFAAAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBg
http://books.google.com/books?id=iNSFAAAAMAAJ&q=A+number+of+incidents+were+claimed+by+the+National+Liberation+Front+of+Aceh-+Sumatra,+under+the+leadership+of+a+certain+Hasan+Tiro.+...+Although+the+case+of+Aceh+is+somewhat+special+the+arguments+for+independence+as+advanced+by+Hason+Tiro+in+e.g.+'Indonesia:+Bastion+of+Colonialism?+...+He+discerns+six+major+island+groups:+Aceh-Sumatra;+Borneo;+Celebes;+the+Moluccas;+West+Papua+and+Java,+which+...&dq=A+number+of+incidents+were+claimed+by+the+National+Liberation+Front+of+Aceh-+Sumatra,+under+the+leadership+of+a+certain+Hasan+Tiro.+...+Although+the+case+of+Aceh+is+somewhat+special+the+arguments+for+independence+as+advanced+by+Hason+Tiro+in+e.g.+'Indonesia:+Bastion+of+Colonialism?+...+He+discerns+six+major+island+groups:+Aceh-Sumatra;+Borneo;+Celebes;+the+Moluccas;+West+Papua+and+Java,+which+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yPc1U8-gE4XjsATLsYDwBA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
9
http://books.google.com/books?id=YdEjAQAAIAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBw
http://books.google.com/books?id=YdEjAQAAIAAJ&q=As+a+reaction+to+Soeharto's+centralization+of+power+and+reflecting+historically+independent+sentiment,+Hasan+di+Tiro+established+the+...+It+comprises+five+main+islands;+Sumatra,+Java,+Borneo+(known+as+%22Kalimantan%22+in+Indonesia),+Sulawesi,+and+New+Guinea;+two+major+...+with+East+Timor,+and+the+newly+divided+provinces+of+Papua+and+West+Papua+share+the+island+of+New+Guinea+with+Papua+New+Guinea.&dq=As+a+reaction+to+Soeharto's+centralization+of+power+and+reflecting+historically+independent+sentiment,+Hasan+di+Tiro+established+the+...+It+comprises+five+main+islands;+Sumatra,+Java,+Borneo+(known+as+%22Kalimantan%22+in+Indonesia),+Sulawesi,+and+New+Guinea;+two+major+...+with+East+Timor,+and+the+newly+divided+provinces+of+Papua+and+West+Papua+share+the+island+of+New+Guinea+with+Papua+New+Guinea.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kfg1U_evILTMsQSM6ID4BA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=JXrjAAAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCA
http://books.google.com/books?id=JXrjAAAAMAAJ&q=...+Sumatra,+the+Celebes,+Borneo,+the+South+Moluccas,+the+North+Moluccas,+West+Papua,+East+Timor,+etc.+by+colonizing+them.+...+But+the+Javanese+are+not+Malay+people+if+anthropologists+and+philologists+are+right;+the+Javanese+language+does+not+belong+to+...+Tengku+Hasan+Di+Tiro+President,+NationaJ+Liberation+Front+of+Acheh+Sumatra+Lesson+19+THE+HOUR+FOR+COUNTERATTACK+n+our+previous+lesson.&dq=...+Sumatra,+the+Celebes,+Borneo,+the+South+Moluccas,+the+North+Moluccas,+West+Papua,+East+Timor,+etc.+by+colonizing+them.+...+But+the+Javanese+are+not+Malay+people+if+anthropologists+and+philologists+are+right;+the+Javanese+language+does+not+belong+to+...+Tengku+Hasan+Di+Tiro+President,+NationaJ+Liberation+Front+of+Acheh+Sumatra+Lesson+19+THE+HOUR+FOR+COUNTERATTACK+n+our+previous+lesson.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kPg1U-ibJ4nNsQS5sIGQBQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=23e5AAAAIAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CFUQ6AEwCQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=23e5AAAAIAAJ&q=Sporadic+violence+Communal+violence+has+also+occurred+sporadically+in+Kalimantan+(or+Indonesian+Borneo).+...+Hasan+di+Tiro+further+argues+that+Aceh+is+subject+to+Javanese+colonialism+and+that+Indonesia+is+what+he+terms+a+...+Tindakan+Penyelidikan+Pelanggaran+Hak+Asasi+Manusia+di+Papua/Irian+Jaya',+11+Apr+2001.+7.&dq=Sporadic+violence+Communal+violence+has+also+occurred+sporadically+in+Kalimantan+(or+Indonesian+Borneo).+...+Hasan+di+Tiro+further+argues+that+Aceh+is+subject+to+Javanese+colonialism+and+that+Indonesia+is+what+he+terms+a+...+Tindakan+Penyelidikan+Pelanggaran+Hak+Asasi+Manusia+di+Papua/Irian+Jaya',+11+Apr+2001.+7.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ufg1U-TcI8GhsASv74GQBA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://sakauhendro.wordpress.com/arsip-arsip-sejarah-aceh/
http://acehnet.tripod.com/declare.htm
The drama of acehnese history 1873 1978
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BywGzWY70a8gZjk5NTI3ZTEtMDc3Ni00ZDQ3LWE0NDUtYTQyMTU1OTJhNDll/preview?pli=1
http://en.bookfi.org/book/1320922
http://bookre.org/reader?file=1320922
http://www.acehbooks.org/search/detail/4169?language=ind
http://www.acehbooks.org/pdf/00371.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/89450652
http://www.worldcat.org/title/drama-of-achehnese-history-1873-1978-a-paly-in-viii-acts/oclc/525862312
http://mbox.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/06/04/citizen-hasan-di-tiro-dies-‘dignified-end-conflict’.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=ArvtbBOPwGIC&pg=PT125&lpg=PT125&dq=The+drama+of+acehnese+history+1873+1978&source=bl&ots=swnpl-Xn2l&sig=iYp8SMGsKGXRq3EPqbVDO3pwYeA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6UBYU-SPOsvMsQSMzoKIBA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=The%20drama%20of%20acehnese%20history%201873%201978&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=M5SpAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA247&lpg=PA247&dq=The+drama+of+acehnese+history+1873+1978&source=bl&ots=Gh4KRJdxKp&sig=O8TrO3iguBLp5WZLBUT8agNf5vs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6UBYU-SPOsvMsQSMzoKIBA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=The%20drama%20of%20acehnese%20history%201873%201978&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=fG_eSAAACAAJ&dq=The+drama+of+acehnese+history+1873+1978&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7EFYU9ygB6TQsQSIroDABA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw
http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8UPKFrtjb0C&pg=PA424&lpg=PA424&dq=The+drama+of+acehnese+history+1873+1978&source=bl&ots=uuiectoKuV&sig=h41XSLdPfXerwhZbIVA6bEhmue8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6UBYU-SPOsvMsQSMzoKIBA&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBg
THE PRICE OF FREEDOM: The unfinished diary of Tengku Hasan di Tiro
President
NATIONAL LIBERATION FRONT OF ACHEH SUMATRA
https://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/15440234/1577860515/name/thepriceoffreedom.pdf
http://www.slideshare.net/chairul4bdi/the-price-of-freedom-unfinished-diary-by-hasan-di-tiro
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