Talk:Northampton

message: I'm not sure about parts of the Leisure and Culture section, such as: "...to follow in the footsteps of giants like Deep Purple, Madness and My cat dillion."
Deep Purple didnt play at the Racehorse, right? --Jeffthejiff 20:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably (and equally I wouldn't be surprised if MK is more populous than Northampton), but let's wait for some official statistics to verify this. Matthew (talk) 11:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leisure and Culture section 

message: Has the roadmender actually shut now? It's a shame if it has. Mattyw 10:53 2 Dec 2005
:Funding pulled by the Council last week - liquidation before Xmas :) Brookie: A collector of little round things 14:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was on the front of the chron and echo - it was shut down immediately yesterday. ---- jeffthejiff (talk) 14:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's shame. I moved out to go to uni a few years back. I loved that place. have the council said what they plan on doing with the building? --Mattyw 14:11, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Roadmender

message: He is listed as living in Cogenhoe. However, the Peter Purves article says he lives in Suffolk. Does he have two homes? Or is there a mistake somewhere? --A bit iffy 12:35, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure - I thought that he was still at Cogenhoe - will look into it. 08:15, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Peter Purves

message: Is it worth mentioning this film, to my knowlege it is the only mainstream film ever to be made in the town, so perhaps worth a mention.andham2000
There have been some that use rural Northants - who can forget 'Clockwise' starring John Cleese ? I seem to remember bits of the Goldeneye James Bond film were filmed near Harlestone ? --195.137.93.171 (talk) 05:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kinky Boots

message: For some reason it was specifically claiming Northampton was never designated a new town.  This is not actually true, and so I've changed it.  Morwen - Talk 17:13, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  My recollection was that the New Town Commission set up the Northampton Development Corporation, which was responsible for the expansion in the Eastern District, as well as planned expansion in the West and South. However Northampton Borough Council continued, and the town as a whole did not receive the central funding that it would have it it had been designated as New Town. Milton Keynes in contrast was a New Town and gained a fully developed infrastructure. However I can't verify this, and the web references seem to indicate the contrary. I do wonder though if Northampton was gazetted as a New Town, but then never came fully on stream. Or was it that the expansion area under Northamton Development Corporation counted as a New Town? Can anyone help? John Campbell 13:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[New towns in the United Kingdom|New town]] 

message: I recently made some changes to the layout which were reverted with a "No that doesn't work". The changes I made and reasoning behind them were as follows:
* Put infobox at top of article - that is where I would expect (and have seen) infoboxes for all other articles.
* Moved Guildhall Building image to section that mentions it.
* Removed "See picture left/on top" as I don't think this reads well, and there is the extra problem of keeping the image layout and text in sync.
Comments on why this doesn't work welcome. MartinRe 19:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the problems with it was that It squashed all the images into one small area, which didn't fit very well. Also many articles have images at the top such as Birmingham or Leicester for example, personaly I think It's good to have an introductory picture at the top of an article (my personal preference). The see picture thing could be turned into a link to the image perhaps. G-Man * 20:08, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Layout

message: From Abington park...
The Park also hosts a high-class tearoom/restaurant "The Park Cafe" (formerly known as the 'The Old Oak'). It serves a menu of specialty coffees, a very wide selection of meals, and a special childrens menu. It has been under ownership of Tony Ansell since 1981.
Seems more like an advert to me. Not sure what makes it high-class, why we need to know it has achildrens menu or who runs it. Perhaps something that could be removed????
80.5.196.32 21:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abington park 

message: I have added Lorna Fitzgerald back into the list. A Google search for 'Lorna Fitzgerald' returned 234,000 results, as opposed to Joan Hickson's 168,000. Joshua Issac (talk) 14:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable residents 

message: Interesting that this article is supposed to be part of the Wiki Geography project, yet there doesn't seem to anything remotely connected to it! Peter Shearan (talk) 19:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Geography?

message: Teens to wed in Pagan wedding
“We’re planning to one day go to Northampton in England which is like the pagan capital of the world to do our ‘10 years and a day’ handfasting.” 
If Northampton is the pagan capital of the world a mention might be interesting.  I could not find anything to confirm it one way or an other.  Did he mean Northamptonshire?Geo8rge (talk) 18:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like nonsense to me.... Matthew (talk) 20:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 'like' makes the statement sound indecisive (unlike if they had said "is the pagan capital of the world") and POV on the part of the speaker. There are many pagan faiths in the world whose readers and followers may not have heard of Northampton.Cloptonson (talk) 14:16, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pagan capital of the world? 

message: I think that the infobox looks too big with the Northants and UK maps in it.  Anyone else agree?  And, if so, do you know enough about these maps/templates to know if there's anything that would combine the two and take up only half the space? Matthew (talk) 20:48, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps too big in the infobox 

message: In the "21st century" section, there is a statement that Northampton's population will be at 300,000 by 2018. A few lines later it gives a figure of 1,000,000 for the same year. The first figure I can almost imagine happening, although it's a bit of a stretch given the recession. The second is outright preposterous. Ignoring the fact that the town centre couldn't handle that traffic and the fact that Northampton's proximity to Milton Keynes makes that kind of growth very unlikely, the giving of two different figures for the same period is very poor for a Wikipedia article. Can anyone clarify for me the source of these figures or if either of them have any truth to them? Tom walker (talk) 18:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The first figure I've seen several times before, and refers to the town's population.  The second figure I haven't seen before, but it seems to be referring to the catchment area of the 300,000-sized town, and hence doesn't seem as unrealistic as you might be thinking (would be interested to see what the figure currently is for comparison!).  You're right, though: both need citations. Matthew (talk) 17:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing on the WNDC website that supports these wild claims. It reads like a spoof to me so I'm going back to tag them as 'dubious'. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They're patent nonsense. I've removed them. Possibly the 1 million figure might be for some sort of wider Northampton/MK/Bedford region, but that is not a Northampton population figure in any meaningful sense, and MK is designated as the primary core for the region. Postlebury (talk) 21:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious ''21st century'' population figures 

message: Can we please have a reference about Northants? What is it, an abbreviation? Is it equivalent to Northampton? Better? Worse? Older? Newer? Preferable? More formal? Less formal?
Thanks. 205.228.108.58 (talk) 07:58, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northants 

message: Northampton Massachusetts is a well-known small city in America.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.30.167 (talk) 22:40, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, Northampton England has been around a LOT longer than Northampton, Mass. Furthermore, it can't be argued that Northampton, Mass. is better known worldwide (which is why Boston is the page for Boston, Mass rather than the older Boston, England.  There are lots of these cases: there is a formal policy something like WP:NAME but I don't have time to check.  They all begin This article is about XXXXX in YYYYY. For other XXXXXs, see XXXXX (disambiguation). Like lots of things in Wikipedia (and the world) its a compromise. Nobody likes when their favourite topic doesn't make pole position. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I refer everyone to a similar discussion surrounding Birmingham and Birmingham, Alabama. Northampton is ten times the size of the Massachusetts one in terms of population and has a much longer history. It may not be better known in the US but the American one isn't better known in the UK and worldwide the UK one is more significant. Likewise as JMF says the UK Boston is less significant, so the US one gets the main page in that case, as is the case with Washington and countless others. Tom walker (talk) 13:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move "Northampton" to a disambig page 

message: you need to redo the layout of northampton tempeter because you need to add the record of the maximum tempeter it has reached and the records lowest it has went to  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skype565 (talk • contribs) 10:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  tempeter 

message: Under section Buildings, Delapre Abbey (a place I myself have not seen, having only once visited Northampton) is introduced in this confusing sentence - it appears more than one building is being talked about:
:Just south of the town centre Delapré Abbey, a former Cluniac nunnery, the County Records Office and site of the second Battle of Northampton, which was founded by Simon II de Senlis, the son of first Earl of Northampton, in 1145.
For benefit of people who have never seen it, please clear it up.  The information may be better expressed in more than one sentence.Cloptonson (talk) 05:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Delapre Abbey - Ambiguous sentence

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "Northampton is also home to Northampton Outlaws, the first inclusive rugby team and the 9th gay-friendly team in the United Kingdom."
What is an "inclusive rugby team"? Inclusive of what? 2.24.119.101 (talk) 22:57, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusive? 

message: Edit Edit 767691408 added two lots of named refs britishhistory2 which seems to be to britishhistory and andrewmartin2 which seems that it should be to andrewmartin.
I have changed the refs 
Unfortunately, I don't have access to either of these sources, so it would be great if someone who does could check.
Newystats (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Check my reference correction 

message: May I suggest that it be converted to a bar chart, rather than a long table with loads of white space as at present. 
Like this one for MK, perhaps? Alternatively, make the table collapsible (and collapsed by default)? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of historic population 

message: According to NOMIS (the official census portal): 
 
This population figure is larger than is given in the article and also the GSS code is different. I suspect that someone has used the 1970-something boundary The figures given are for "Northampton District" (the Northampton Built-up Sub-area), which excludes the modern expansion of the town Collingtree. This does not make a lot of sense to me. Before I change the article, is there a convincing reason not to do so? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:50, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have invited discussion on this whole issue (which affects more than Northampton) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Districts and built-up areas - population yet again. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:45, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population as at 2011 census 

message: 'Northampton's market square is one of Britain's largest and most historic' - what on earth does that mean?  What are degrees of historicalness? 109.158.15.191 (talk) 06:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most historic? 

message: In my opinion, the graph that shows Northampton's population should be made smaller because at its current size the graph is spoiling the alignment of the text in the article, making it look unprofessional in my opinion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xboxsponge15 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine to me. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Looks ok on mobile too. Layout is unpredictable, it depends on the user's screen size and font size preferences. It is a little unusual in being on the left rather than the right. The article has far bigger problems than that. Why, for instance, is there a little non-sequitur about the Easter floods in this section? Surely it belongs in Geography?  Overall, the article could do with a wholesale restructure. IMO anyway. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graph that shows Northampton's population should be made smaller 

message: As you both well know, the talk page is where disputes should be resolved, not revert wars in main space. Meanwhile, WP:STATUSQUO applies: the article should stay as it was before the dispute began. In any case, you are both wrong: the local dialect pronunciation is closer to Nawf_amp_ʔon.  
Vabadus91, not that it is relevant in this case but it is not correct to say that British English has a specific rhoticity because it depends. England west of Bristol, Scotland and Northern Ireland have a different pronunciation to the rest of England. Not sure about Wales. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Standard BrE is indeed non-rhotic, despite there being rhoticity in some British dialects. And if we were going by local pronunciations alone, then Northampton is pronounced non-rhotically by locals. Vabadus91 (talk) 09:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  So has a British equivalent of the  been established? Maybe you mean English English? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

text:  The article Received Pronunciation explains why there is no such thing. Even in that article, the term "BBC English" means "as spoken in London"; BBC Scotland is also BBC English but the pronunciation is not the same but equally valid. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:13, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war over IPA rendition of name 

message: I don't know if there is a general rule about the basis for this figure, but according to Google Maps the road distance is 68.2 miles from Charing Cross; according to the Engineer's line reference, the rail distance is  from Euston. Either way, definitely not 60. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:27, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @JMF. Good to see you've raised this. 60 miles is the correct straight line distance from Northampton town centre to Charing Cross as measured by Google/Bing maps distance calculator measuring tool. I don't think its use amounts to WP:OR; I take the view it's a calculation. This is the most appropriate measurement to use across articles. Many places do not have railways and even if they do there can on occasion be more than one route to the same destination. The same applies with roads. If it's thought desirable to put the (shortest?) distance by rail or road it should go in the Transport section. When checking distances in articles I've found many inconsistencies. Recently, I pointed out an example on Talk:Manchester. With Manchester being a featured article, I didn't have the confidence to change the discrepancies myself. It may be a discussion for WP:UKGEO, unless there's a "higher" authority that specifies the basis on which distances between places are calculated or sourced. Rupples (talk) 02:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it will have to go the UKGEO. A long time ago, I had both "as the crow flies" distances and the "Google Maps calculated road distance" reverted in the past as not reliable, but I have certainly seen them in other articles. A clear policy is needed. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distance from London 

message: The (mostly) reliable source for what is or is not part of "Greater Northampton" is the Office for National Statistics. So if the area concerned is not on this map
* 
then some serious citation finding is needed. Sorry but "it's obvious from looking at a map" qualifies as WP:Original research.
NB this is the status as at the 2011 census: the maps for 2021 have not been published yet. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:53, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Settlements outside the town boundaries that are sometimes considered suburbs of Northampton 

message: I was wondering if it might be a good idea to create an article for the civil parish of Northampton, (e.g. Northampton (civil parish)) as it is defined differently from the urban area/former borough which this main article is predominantly about. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? G-13114 (talk) 18:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give some idea of what would be included in the proposed article to help assess whether there would be much overlap with the existing Northampton article. Also, why such content would be better placed in a new article rather than added to the existing one? Rupples (talk) 22:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking of demographic data pertaining to the parish like population, which is different from the urban area, the fact it's the most populous parish, some history of why it came about etc. G-13114 (talk) 17:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I kind of see what you're getting at. There's a significant difference between the urban area's population and that of Northampton parish. However, it might be confusing to have separate articles for Northampton and Northampton (civil parish). The population of the parish is noted in the Northampton Town Council article and relevant demographics could be added in as well; both are of direct relevance to the council article. That's what I would do but let's see what others think. Rupples (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article for Northampton parish