Talk:Flag of Indianapolis

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message: Hello , I'm not sure what's difficult here. This article is about the flag of Indianapolis. You have repeatedly reinserted an image which is not and has never been the flag of Indianapolis, and so it is not relevant to this article. If that flag is notable, you could write an article about it and display it there, but it certainly doesn't belong here. Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's okay to show derivative works. E.g. Mona Lisa. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a "derivative work", nor a parody or anything like that. It's an unofficial design by a private group that the city never adopted. Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:50, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It 100% is: they did not accidentally end up with a chevron that reproduces the flag in black and white. It is a new work based on an older work. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It is still not the Indianapolis flag, and so I would still assert it is not appropriate here. Otherwise, we'd be stuck putting in whatever unofficial designs someone want to throw at us; if we let one person or group do it, there's little grounds to say no to someone else. The images here should be of the actual current and historical flags, not unofficial versions. Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:54, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Source for a policy or guideline that says that? Any proof that anyone else thinks that or that there was any harm in having it here for several months? Did you read the image caption? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:57, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: For a policy or guideline that says articles shouldn't include irrelevant information? I don't think we need a policy to say that; it's the same reason I wouldn't include an image of a Commodore 64 in the Apple IIe article. I would think that's common-sense enough that we don't need a policy to spell that out. Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:58, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please answer my questions. See also Mona Lisa. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:03, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not a trained monkey, and I did answer the questions I cared to. Mona Lisa is not relevant. As it seems we're at something of an impasse here, I suppose I will ask for a third opinion. And yes, several other editors at WikiProject Cities raised concerns over these unofficial flags, you can check the talk page there. That's how I learned of the problem. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:25, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't recall alleging that you are a non-human. It would be nice if you would stop with these assumptions that you slide into ostensibly neutral statements. If Mona Lisa isn't relevant, then why are any other city flag articles relevant? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:29, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

text: You initially suggested that if this derivative is notable, then I could make an article about it. As you can see, we have no article about Le rire (The Laugh) by Eugène Bataille, or Sapeck (1883) and yet, it's included at that page as an illustrative example of a derivative work. We are not required to have independent articles about all derivative works to show that a flag is used in real life. I've included media in this article to show not only an abstract representation of the flag, but also actual uses of it. This is one such use. This private group is one specifically related to flags, so the idea that your or I could make some random design is spurious. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you aware of any reliable and independent sources that comment on this particular derivative as of some significance? I'm not able to find any, but maybe you know of some I'm missing. If there aren't any, then my point stands—even if it didn't have enough sourcing to be independently notable, if no third-party reliable sources credit it with any significance at all, it is no different than you or me doing the same. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:45, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No and I reject that assertion. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Agree. The flag is unofficial & NN, thus making it UNDUE. (t · c) buidhe 05:47, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Indianapolis flags