Talk:Found object

message: Shouldn't it be Found Art (google reveals this is mostly the case) as opposed to Found art, or, as a title, in apostrophes or italics? Thoughts please.
Tyrenius 06:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Found art as a title

message: I love the toilet image, I think it's a good example of the concept and a keeper Fulvius 15:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: I've removed this from the article:An exception in 2003 was the Chapman Brothers use of a set of Francisco Goya prints, The Disasters of War, which they "adapted" by collaging clown and puppy faces onto the figures. The prints were valuable already in their own right, but sold for a considerably higher sum after they had been altered. 
The reference does not support the claim that the works sold for more than the purchase price.--Ethicoaestheticist 22:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reinstated the part the reference does justify. Tyrenius 02:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jake and Dinos

message: I hate to sully an article discussing Duchamp and Man Ray with Dave Barry and Jay Leno, but it seems to me there may a place here or perhaps in its own article to discuss found humor: jokes built around found language artifacts such as haiku formed from Internet spam, turns of phrase that become inadvertently hilarious, or even cultural phenomena that are unintentionally funny.  This is of course where the slippery slope gets especially steep, sliding quickly past Spamusement, Engrish, the Dave Barry Christmas Gift Guide, and Jay Leno's headlines, and landing in a heap amongst Star Wars boy, Numa Numa and the like.  Put another way, there's a fine line between art and ridicule.--NapoliRoma (talk) 22:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found humor 

message: I'm no expert in the style of Wiki, but now that Readymade has no less than four -- count 'em, 4 -- different meanings, shouldn't that blurb be moved to a disambiguation page? Jsharpminor (talk) 14:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Readymade 

message: In wich world readymade is found art, or object trouvée? I can´t see the point. Readymade never haved a found thing as premise.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.153.191.150 (talk) 01:18, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ready or not 

message: What are the criteria for including an artist? Why are some included but not others? Thanks. Socialresearch (talk) 16:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion 

message: This link www.culturalreuse.org was dead, if it lives again readd.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.99.167.48 (talk) 23:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead external link 

message: An productive discussion has been taking place at Talk:Found object about the scope of Found object and Found art. I notice that Objet trouvé redirects here, to Found art, and is the  widely accepted term in the art world for art made from non-art objects. Obviously, 'Found object' is a literal translation of 'Objet trouvé' while, on the other hand, I can see little evidence that 'Found art' is a commonly accepted term in fine art.
All-in-all it's not a good situation at all, with two articles competing for the same content. To me Found object seems the poorer article, being created several years later and significantly shorter in length. Possibly it should be deleted, making Found art the main/only article on the subject.
Once that happens, there may be a strong argument to rename this article, to a commonly defined and accepted term. 
As I say, it's complicated and far from ideal at the moment. Anyone else's thoughts would be welcome. Sionk (talk) 02:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Found art is the better article, but found object the better title, so they should be merged to that title. I've set out my view above that there should just be one article, rather than Found object (art) and Found object (music), with a disambiguation page, but that is a further possibility. Johnbod (talk) 03:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've renamed the 'Found object' article 'Found object (music)' and deleted the duplicate/unsourced content. I've nominated the remaining 'Found object' redirect to be deleted - see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 September 3. This will pave the way for this 'Found art' article to be renamed 'Found object'. This seems to accord with what we've been discussing here and on the other Talk page. Sionk (talk) 19:51, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found art v. Found Object 

message: The below I have excerpted from the book "Artspeak" by Robert Atkins:
"Found object"
"A found object is an existing object—often a mundane manufactured product—given a new identity as an artwork or part of an artwork. The artist credited with the concept of the found object is Marcel Duchamp. (George Braque and Pablo Picasso had already begun to inject bits of non-art material into their pioneering collages and assemblages of 1912—15, but they significantly altered those materials.) In 1913 Duchamp began to experiment with what he dubbed the Readymade. After adding a title to an unaltered, mass-produced object—a urinal or a shovel, for example—he would exhibit it, thereby transforming it into a readymade sculpture. His intention was to emphasize art's intellectual basis and, in the process, to shift attention away from the physical act or craft involved in its creation. Other Dada and Surrealist artists mined the nostalgic potential of found objects in works less cerebral than Duchamp's. Post—World War II artists put found objects to a variety of different purposes. They range from Edward Keinholz's chilling tableaux assembled from mannequins and discarded furniture to Haim Steinbach's more theoretical ensembles of domestic objects intended to question whether artworks made of mass-produced components can be simultaneously functional, decorative, and expressive. Joseph Beuys's dog-sled sculpture invokes his personal history, and even painters such as Jasper Johns have utilized found objects (in Johns's case, a broom, a chair, ball bearings) by affixing them to their paintings. Whether old or new, a found object infuses an artwork with meanings associated with its past use or intended function."
The above is excerpted from ArtSpeak, by Robert Atkins, Abbeville Press, ISBN: 0-7892-0365-0  Bus stop (talk) 18:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure it isn't just a vehicle for Art bollocks?!86.42.220.66 (talk) 21:42, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A source—ArtSpeak, by Robert Atkins 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Not sure. I am opposed to the newly created Found object (music). This is not a legitimate article, but merely an extension of a term (found object/objet trouvé) which seems to have its roots firmly in the visual arts. I would suggest asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Percussion what they would like to do with the material presently found at Found object (music). The material in that newly created article is largely not supported by sources. Our aim is to get rid of the poorly titled Found art article. We need an article on the art term Found object, also known in French as "Objet trouvé". Whether this is accomplished by "move" or "deletion" seems irrelevant to me, but maybe I am overlooking some factors. 
*Agree Bus stop (talk) 14:20, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: An admin has actioned the request to move Found art to its correct title, Found object. Hurrah!
As a consequence, I've reworded the intro paragraphs to replace references to 'found art' with 'found object'.
I'm also removing the 'Historical precedents' altogether. The first sentence is about something historical, but seems complete balloney! The remainder is about recent comments and developments, of questionable use, but certainly not historical in any sense.
Any suggestions of what needs to be done next? Sionk (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page renamed from 'Found art' to 'Found object' 

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