Talk:Erzurum Province

message: "Armenians dominated the area"!!!! Come on! There is no census figure that shows Armenians as majority in any part of the Ottoman Empire prior to 1915, not even before 1890. And you know what, the heads of the census bureau were all Armenians during that period. Distorting the truth to call the massacres genocide is not enough surely that you resort to outright lying to make it more dramatic, somehow! The truth is Armenians were a large minority in Eastern Anatolia, including in cities like Sivas and Erzurum, and in western cities like Istanbul and Izmir, but at nowhere within today's Turkey they were the majority before 1915. I don't expect you to be objective and write an article about a city as it should be, but at least I expect you to not lie.
Reply:  You are raving and contradicting yourself.  You say "There is no census figures" on the one hand, then insist that Armenians were actually a miniority.  If there are no census figures, then how can you be so certain? Hmmm?  Oh, of course there ARE census figures but they were all pumped up ahead of time by Armenians anticipating the genocide. Oh sure.....
The facts are against you. Anatolia was the Armenian homeland for 3000 years and the pupulation was substantial.  This is well documented.  Turkey had to work rather hard to wipe it out.  The signs of their effort, their ethnic cleansing, are still there.
: Every historical source I have consulted-- and this includes Turkish sources-- points to a substantial Armenian historical presence. As you correctly point out, Turkish efforts to erdicate all traces of Armenian history in the region have also been substantial, and wouldn't make any sense if there wasn't something to hide. We are talking about people who were indigenous to this area after all, so this is not an astonishing revelation. The Armenian refugee population as well (circa 1915, well documented) was massive-- gee, where do you think they all came from? 
Are you joking. Even the msot pro Armenian, Pro western sources put the Turkish population as the biggest ethnic group if not eh majority. Even the Armenian Church puts the Turks as the biggest ethnic group and everybody knows how full of lies they can be. Stop with the irredentism
I have a question, where is the kavaf district of Erzerum located?
someone needs to set up a disambiguation thing and an article for the city of erzerum.  is there an article for that? Mightier than the sword 01:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: It looks dubious that the articles refers to "Erzurum" as it was the name of the province. The "province of Erzurum" should be more accurate.--Attilios 13:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: Oh, so this is the Talk page user:Kansas Bear suggested to me to discuss matters regarding the alleged genocide. After reading the above discussions and not seeing a just resolution on the simplest of differences I’ll say: no thanks. You can keep fooling yourselves. 786wave (talk) 04:41, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amazing bias by fanatical editors 

message: For the record, one can use the term “Ottoman” for all the citizens of the Empire since Turkish, Kurdish, Armenian, Arab, Jewish, Greek, Assyrian, etc. nationals were also Ottoman citizens. The alleged genocide was not an official order. It was conducted by brigands mostly. Those in the military who massacred some people were also members of the Committee of Union and Propgress, whom Armenians were also a member of. What an irony! The murderers paid for their crimes by hanging. Show me an Armenian military officer who was hanged for his crimes against Turkish nationals of the Empire. Not one! 786wave (talk) 04:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian citizens of the Ottoman Empire