Talk:Phonaesthetics

message: Weasel terms.
The sentence: "The French language is considered extremely euphonic by many, and has a plethora of contraction rules that allow one word to flow into the next." does not seem backed up and contains the terms: "considered extremely ... by many", seem like weasel terms to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.147.43.82 (talk) 03:50, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Why is there no section on cacophony? There is a redirect here, but no information on the subject whatsoever. Can we fix this? 98.247.162.244 (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cacophony

message: The phrase cellar door has some notoriety as the reputedly most euphonic sound combination of the English language (specifically, when spoken with a British accent).
Which British accent?  There are dozens, and many are quite different from one another.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.142.195 (talk) 23:13, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: British Accent

message: Euphony and euphonic, by what I've read and heard  are far more common terms than phonaesthetics. If this is just a quirk of my life experience than my comment here can be easily disregarded. I really believe this article would be much better under the name euphony. Euphony is far more used. Phonaesthetics is a stilted, artificial sounding, uneuphonic term that is probably seldom the term people initially enter to find this article.Tjc (talk) 11:38, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Phonaesthetics vs euphony

message: This is entire article is in desperate need of a linguist. Everything is entirely subjective. This is part of the point of phonaesthetics, since phonaesthetic judgments ARE subjective, but what is presented here is presented as if it's objective truth, and it is not. I'd almost recommend deleting the entire article, because as it stands it's mostly disinformation. 67.58.142.175 (talk) 22:59, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Changes Needed

message: This seems relevant: Monty Python - Woody and Tinny Words - Soulkeeper (talk) 10:11, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caribou gone 

message: As noted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phonaesthetics, sources for this topic are scarce. The following might be helpful.
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Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 03:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: When Tolkien speaks about 'Cellar-doors' he's not just saying it's a beautiful phrase, he's actually making a comparison to the Welsh language and how 'cellar-doors' are 'abundant', if he didn't mention this connection, he wouldn't have said anything at all about 'cellar-door', the context IS the Welsh language.
Now what he's referring to in the Welsh language is 'Treiglo', a process of which words 'mutate' depending on where they are used (almost every sentence that is spoken), he did Celtic studies at Oxford and this is why he made that connection and when he was a child watching train carts arrive and depart from Birmingham with 'strange' but ancient words written on them (Welsh place-names which coal, slate and metals were sourced from), he began his obsession with languages, particularly first with the Celtic tongues, only after did he branch out and learn other European languages and as so, grew this wild imagination in his mind (to which his stories were born from).
So Tolkien's 'Cellar-doors' quote deserves far more attention than a simple footnote at the end of the article, learn from what he uncovered, learn from what he taught, there is much to be added to this article than his simple 'Cellar door is beautiful', there is context here, and he saw that the phonaesthetics of 'Cellar-door' is extraordinarily rife within the Welsh language, maybe someone should attempt to address this instead of adding pointless, torn up remarks by people without appropriate context.
See link for 'Treiglo' in which Tolkien was addressing in his 'Cellar-door' remark.    
 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Welsh_Grammar,_Historical_and_Comparative/Phonology
Hogyncymru (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't include Tolkien unless you're willing to address why he used 'Cellar-door'

message: It could be interesting to include some literary examples. From this site: https://www.openculture.com/2016/06/bertrand-russell-lists-his-20-favorite-words-in-1958-and-what-are-some-of-yours.html David Foster Wallace’s lists of favorite words consist of obscurities and archaisms unlikely to ever feature in the average conversation. “James Joyce thought cuspidor the most beautiful word in the English language,” writes the blog Futility Closet,” Arnold Bennet chose pavement. J.R.R. Tolkien felt the phrase cellar door had an especially beautiful sound.” From: https://www.futilitycloset.com/2011/09/06/sound-choices/ Bertrand Russell’s 20 favorite words, given in response to a reader’s inquiry in 1958 From: https://www.openculture.com/2014/01/david-foster-wallaces-lists-of-his-favorite-words.html David Foster Wallace Creates Lists of His Favorite Words From: https://journals.openedition.org/signata/1245?lang=en Eco tackled each problem with enthusiasm, and I found myself thinking how, as a university professor, his enthusiasm must have inspired generations of students. He showed the same keenness for English as he did for his native tongue—he once declared that his two favourite English words were “flabbergasted” and “discombobulated”. --79.55.55.107 (talk) 21:00, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other literary examples