Talk:Lhalu Tsewang Dorje

message: I had removed this passage from the intro, stating that Lhalu's father was a Qing appointee. For one thing, this does not belong in the lede. More importantly, however, Xinhua is not even close to being a reliable source for this type of information. Xinhua is a journalistic source, not a historical one. I wouldn't necessarily trust a statement from an unbiased journalist for historical accuracy, and Xinhua has the additional disadvantage of having to toe the party line. They would probably say that everyone in Tibet before 1912 was a Qing appointee.
Now, if this were an important point, then it would certainly make sense to teach the controversy. But since a) this is a fact about the subject's father, not about the subject himself, and b) it's not clear what the relevance is, I don't see why we can't just leave it out.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 18:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the info to the Notes & references section so as not to give it undue importance.--Christian Lassure (talk) 09:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This information is not sourced to a reliable source. I don't think it should appear anywhere in Wikipedia.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 23:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lhalu's father appointed by the Qing 

message: I had removed this passage in which Strong is cited about Lhalu's purported secessionist activites. This was restored in a modified form a bit later. I don't understand why we should include this vague accusation from an outdated source written by partisan author who doesn't seem to be any kind of expert on Lhalu — the information she provides is apparently just based on what she heard at a show trial in 1959. What specific activities constituted Lhalu's "plotting for Tibet's secession from China", and how does Strong claim to know about this? She doesn't tell us.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 19:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong was a witness to events and had access to information that few if any Western observers were allowed to be privy to. This is why she is cited. Besides, her sympathies are clearly indicated in the text.--Christian Lassure (talk) 09:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Was she a witness to any events related to Lhalu other than the struggle session in 1959? Even regarding that, we may wish to exercise some caution in citing her. The point isn't really that she's a Marxist. Phüntso Wangye is a Marxist as well, and I'm sure he would give a somewhat different account of the events of that era. Even regarding people who sympathise with the "democratic reforms" that era, some might be reliable as far as the facts that they observed personally, regardless of the interpretation that they give it, while others might not even be that reliable. It would be interesting to know how Strong is seen by most scholars.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strong on Lhalu's secession plot 

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