Talk:Kuznets curve

message: Okay this is a pretty trivial matter but I'm writing an essay on KC's for a scholarship I found on the internet, and I would like to know how to pronounce KUZNET. Is it kooze-net? Or CUZ(as in because)-NET? I would like to know so I don't sound like an idiot when I talk about our KC's.
I pronounce it like Cuz-nets but faster, so like KznetsLukeitfc 18:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation 

message: Actually, I believe the Kuznet also appears for data of England and Wales.  Weil's book on page 370 has it.  Brusegadi 00:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: On cross sectional

message: I have a question: what is the cause and what is the consequence in the Picture (U curve). Try to redraw the curve but now with exchanging the axis making the x axis to y (just rotate the Picture clockwise and flip it) and try the same argumentation as in the article (early stages of devlopements etc....)==> it dont work since the curve is not a function anymore. So arguing that per capita income increases and then decreases (or growth or what else) is non sens since for every inequality value on the x coordinate there exsist 2 corresponding points on the income axis so which one to choose????
:It does not matter that the curve is no longer a function as you say (if I understand correctly.)  What this says is two things:
* As a country develops it will first become more unequal.  Eventually, it will reach a maximum inequality, and then it will become more equal.  The classic example is England.  It reaches its highest point of inequality probably at around the industrial revolution (not sure thought.)  This means that developing countries today may experience such trends.  
* The other meaning is that if you plot countries income versus their inequality; inequality rises with income until you reach a maximum inequality.  Then, after that "critical' income, inequality decreases as you raise the income.  
Thus, for given the income of a country X, you can use this relationship to estimate X's level of inequality.  I recommend you get a user page so that answers to these type of questions can be posted on your user page.  Also, sign your posts.  I do thank you for your comment because it might be indicative of deficiencies in the article.    Brusegadi 00:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: The definition was both self-contradictory and completely incorrect; it has been changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.140.40.164 (talk) 23:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed,  It was nonsense.  I will source it when I get home. Brusegadi (talk) 00:15, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kuznet's Ratio 

message: Kuznets curves are empirical period with many different possible explanations.  That is especially true for EKCs.  This whole article is misrepresentative and misleading !!
:I have been adding some references. I love this topic! Grundle2600 (talk) 21:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it most certainly should.  The article on the Kuznets curve should be concerned primarily with the Kuznets curve, not with analogous theories.  Really... Bastin 21:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Environmental Kuznets Curves (EKC) is what they're called in the economic & environmental literature. And the NY Times calls them straight "Kuznets curves." Still, a spinoff's not a bad idea. I'm planning to work on improving the EKC section, which is my main interest here. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 20:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environmental Kuznets curves lacks critical discussion, depth and references  

message: I started a general cleanup and revision of the article, particularly addressing the lack of citations, lack of clarity, NPOV concerns and WP:weasel words. The recent John Tierney columns at NY Times were particularly interesting and helpful -- added as ext. links. Lots more to do, but see what you think. Thanks, Pete Tillman (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  General cleanup 

message: When I looked it up the following citation, it turned out to be a self published blog post, which is not up to WP's standards (WP:SELFPUBLISH). The following is the removed cite: 
::citation|title=Transfer of Deforestation: How Japan Saved its Forests by Importing Wood from other Countries|author=Szczepanski, K.|date=9 February 2008|publisher=Helium Conservation
The article actually is online and may be found at www.helium.com/items/850812-transfer-of-deforestation-how-japan-saved-its-forests-by-importing-wood-from .  Possibly the original author omitted the url in the cite because helium.com is on WP blacklist of Spam sites.
The article provided a reference to another source,  but it appears that the material on this uruguay site is also self published. There is a good list of references at the end of this article, so if anyone can verify one of these sources as providing proper support for the statement, that would be a wonderful service.  
In place of the removed citation, i added a citation needed. J JMesserly (talk) 21:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan logging citation was SELFPUB 

message: As discussed above, I believe it would make sense to split off a separate article on Environmental Kuznets curves. This is a major topic of research and debate within the environmental social sciences. Good idea? Please discuss here... Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 13:42, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not. Just leave a link + summary here. Guettarda (talk) 12:08, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split off [[Environmental Kuznets curve]]? 

message: It would be useful to have examples of where countries are on these curves at the moment. In the UK inequalities are increasing which would indicate it is to the left of the maximum, but how long is it before the UK reaches the maximum and inequalities start to decrease?  Similarly for other countries. Where are different countries on the curve? 87.113.10.162 (talk) 01:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's impossible to say: the 'Kuznets curve' is an unproved (and perhaps unprovable) hypothesis, it's a long way from hard science. The mere existence of the curve is disputed: other economists like have suggested that the reality may in fact be the inverse of what Kuznets suggested, with inequality being at its lowest in medium-development societies. Robofish (talk) 17:39, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some examples 

message: Well, I must admit that the EKC is a great policy, but there are still some differences between the theory and the reality. In some parts of the world, it's not the same as EKC has described. Now I have some questions. Are those areas on the left of the curve or they just don't obey the EKC? If they turely obey the theory and are on the left of the curves, when will they reach the maximum and inequalities start to decrease?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.108.147.216 (talk) 10:35, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are still some differences. 

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message: There are plenty of problems with the EKC hypothesis, but the article as it stands fails WP:NPOV. As one example, the current version implies that greenhouse gas emissions are a counterexample, but on standard measures, emissions have fallen for most OECD countries since 2005, consistent with EKC. There are counterpoints about emissions embodied in imports, so it's hard to reach a definitive conclusion. Still, this section needs a fairly thorough rewrite to be an encyclopedic treatment JQ (talk) 06:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  EKC 

message: Please form a consensus for the recent deletions here. Note in particular that reverting back to a version that has had all of the references removed is not doing this article any favors. - MrOllie (talk) 15:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, please stop pasting in an unsourced chunk of text containing your personal POV and original research of text over and over. This is not how Wikipedia is written. I have also reverted a bunch of misplaced comments from this talk page that were added into an old section over someone else's signature. If you are having trouble understanding how talk pages are used, see Help:Talk pages. MrOllie (talk) 01:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent reverts