Talk:Gankyil

message: - It says that the gankyil is depicted on the flag of Tibet but it seems like this is false to me, based on the images of the Tibetan flag I've checked.
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I've gone through and standardised all the references so that they all appear in the references section, removing a little repetition along the way.  There are still problems with this article though!
* The first paragraphs should give a simple introductory explanation rather than rabid digression.  It desperately needs rewriting.
* The symbol "incised on the Pictish stones of Scotland and Celtic art and knotwork" is as much a gankyil as Scotland is a province of Tibet.  The similarity can be alluded to, but to use a Tibetan word to refer to symbols elsewhere is very misleading.
* It's not really clear if some of the references/quotations actually say all that the text of the article claims.
* Much of the article reads like original research.
* The pseudo-linguistic phrase "holds the semantic field of" is unnecessary verbiage. I can find no instance of it on Google that doesn't ultimately originate here.
I may not get the time to fix all these, but at least I've flagged where I think it's going wrong.
☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 16:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: It is important to note that there are two nearly synonymous, near homophonic lexical items in Tibetan often mistranslated as orthographic homonyms, where both are often rendered into English as "meditation": namely, 'sgom-pa' that holds the semantic field: ???; and 'goms pa'.For a detailed discussion refer: Wayman.	
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☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 19:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Terms rendered as "Meditation"

message: The energetic potency (wisdom or shakti) of the Snow Lion is personified in the attribute of the Gankyil that the Snow Lion keeps in eternal play.  The Gankyil is a vriddhi derivation of the dragon's fiery 'pearl of great price', the priceless Pearl of Wisdom.Ingersoll, Chapter Ten: The Dragon's Precious Pearl  As a gem, the gankyil is also a rendering of the Cintamani or Wishfulfilling Jewel at the centre of the lotus of the Avalokiteśvara Mantra and as the energetic nirmanakaya embodiment of the Trikaya.
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I can't see any reason to keep this, as it seems to be all original research. The sentence “The Gankyil is a vriddhi derivation of the dragon's fiery 'pearl of great price', the priceless Pearl of Wisdom.” is nonsense - vrddhi derivation is a way of forming new words in Sanskrit; its relevance here is far from clear. The Ingersoll reference, while evocative, is not relevant nor a reliable source.
In metaphysical terms, the Gankyil is the Vajrayana equivalent of the Bindu of Classical Hinduism and it is held to embody the conceptual mystery of the point at which Creation The Creation is essentially uncreated due to its endemic essence-quality toengender-manifest in a blissful, luminous and void play or thoughtform phantasmagoria  of the Five Pure Lights. begins, when the unity becomes the many. The Gankyil is the evocative investiture of Indra's Pearls:  the principle of inconceivable simultaneous oneness and difference The front-end of this metatext is primary and to be foregrounded whilst the back-end translineage association is to inform an aggregation:  to graft unity of the disparate. (The gendered language of the back-end deixis is not upheld herewith.) and the resolution of duality into primordial unity. As theinaugural quatrain of Blake's singularly resplendent Auguries of Innocence enshrines:  
::To see a World in a Grain of Sand
::And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
::Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
::And Eternity in an hour. (Kazin, 1946:  p.150)
More original "research". The postmodernist posturing "The front-end of this metatext is primary and to be foregrounded whilst the back-end translineage association is to inform an aggregation:  to graft unity of the disparate. (The gendered language of the back-end deixis is not upheld herewith.)" looks like it could have been stolen from Herbert Guenther. In any case it's out of place and meaningless in this context. Likewise the lovely quote from Blake.
The gankyil is the central part of the 'shang' (Tibetan: gchang), a traditional ritual tool and instrument that Bönpo shaman employ as an energetic sound structure to cast their mindstream as thoughtform, sometimes also with the intention to engender sambhogakaya simulacrum.
Original research, not to mention ungrammatical and unclear.
Prime Entelechy (talk) 05:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gankyil as attribute of Snowlion

message: I don't know how I know. I have learnt not to doubt. I have never read it but I know the gankyil is an attribute of the Snowlion. Sooner or later I will find a source. I always do.
B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 13:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: magic:  (accessed: 9.1.9)... or maybe I have read it before and just don't remember... the symbol I first encountered as a result of dream work, i had it tattooed onto my left arm... the symbol lead me to Dzogchen, I was so disappointed because it was the three poisons hehehehehe, and then I find out... well...then i REMEMBER... hheheeheh B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 14:01, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: my language is sometimes a bit stilted and stuffy, but i'm finding my way...Prime Entelechy...thank you for removing the text from the main page, vriddi derivation was used as a creative metaphor... a conceptual cognate B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 14:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attribution and misattribution 

message: Can we perhaps find a different word than 'trinities' -- I realize it just means 'a group of three' but to my ear there is an infelicitous and unavoidable resonance with the Christian Trinity which seems out of place here.
* triples
* triads
are the only two that come to mind. Discuss? Thanks. Zero sharp (talk) 15:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Trinities

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message: Pretty much any section of the "triunes" should be removed unless a source can be found that directly connects it with the gankyil. It's all B9 hummingbird BS. Skyerise (talk) 19:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research