Talk:St James' Park

message: Aren't some seats on the St. James' Park about 1/2 a mile from the centre spot, I heard it on Soccer AM some while ago.
:"It is the only stadium in the FA Premier League to not have a scoreboard of any kind."
Can anyone verify if this is actually true?
82.39.149.162 16:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening comment 

message: * A move over redirect is required to fix a bold but contested move done outside of the RM process, See Talk:St James' Park, Newcastle. — MickMacNee (talk) 15:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just put it to WP:RM in order to get admin attention, as the guidelines suggested that was what we needed to do. Pretty Green (talk) 09:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

text: But St James' Park in Bristol doesn't even have an article. If you look at this pragmatically, you'll see that the overwhelming majority, if not all, of the links coming to St James' Park are for the football ground. The previous system had worked for five years and there was no reason to change it. Pretty Green (talk) 09:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also St James Park (Exeter) 76.66.196.229 (talk) 02:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not forgetting St. James's Park tube station & St James Park railway station 76.66.196.229 (talk) 03:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: These are all, with the exception of the Bristol park, spelt differently.--Pretty Green (talk) 17:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: What???? This does bring a smile to my face. Were they miners? Did they have any qualifications in mining or civil engineering? Did they calculate ground bearing pressures & stresses in temporary supports? Were they just a bunch of dim-wits? Were they alcoholics? Didn't they realise it would be easier and a million times safer to scale walls for a night-time game rather than tunnel (try a ladder)? Did they plan for deterioration of air quality and oxygen percentage as the tunnel grew? Did they expect their tunnel breakthrough to be easily concealable every morning with a false floor and spare turf under a professional playing surface? Sorry, sounds like rubbish to me, but I'd love to see contemporary newspaper reports - surely there exist microfilm copies in Newcastle central library of the relevant Chronicle / Journal / Pink entry (was the Pink around in '58?)? Is it apocryphal? Local Legend??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkkexile (talk • contribs) 22:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In 1958 3 supporters attempted to bury a tunnel under St James' Park so that they could play on the pitch at night. 5 days after they started work on the tunnel it collapsed, killing 2 of the men. 

message: Doesn't the picture show the exterior of the 1999/2000 extension?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkkexile (talk • contribs) 22:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The St. James' Park steps, outside the main stand on Barrack Road, where Kevin Keegan addressed fans over the controversial sale of star player Andy Cole in January 1995 to Manchester United, and wher 

message: All this discussion about apostrophes is fascinating. I am however amazed that (unless I've simply missed it) there's no coverage about which St. James the Street - and thus park - is named after. Can anyone put aside their punctuation guides for a minute or two and enlighten us? -- 128.240.229.66 (talk) 09:22, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you? Unless someone knows/finds the time to source some facts, it'll stay as-is, I'm afraid. – Toon 18:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Name 

message: Where an existing stadium is temporarily renamed for sponsorship reasons, precedent has it that we don't move the article. Please see e.g. Darlington Arena, Odsal Stadium, Abbey Stadium, etc. WP:COMMONNAME would call this ground St James' Park. The new sponsorship deal should be highlighted in the lead, and now is, but it only lasts until the end of the season, so hardly justifies moving a page from the name the stadium has been known by for may decades. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely shouldn't be moved of course, but I think the "official" name should be more prominent in the lead. Ie., "St James' Park, offically titled sportsdirect.com @ St James' Park, is an all-seater stadium..." U-Mos (talk) 10:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with this, although with a slight rephrasing, such that the lead sentence reads "St James' Park, currently called the sportsdirect.com @ St James' Park Stadium, is an all-seater stadium...". I don't believe this gives any "undue" weight to the name, as has been suggested in some edit summaries. This is the current name of the stadium, and should rightly be mentioned in the opening. Nouse4aname (talk) 14:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

text: It does not require more prominence than it already has. All there has been is an announcement that this is the new (temporary) 'name' until the end of the season, but in actual fact, nobody is currently using it as the name, not on the stadium, not in press reports (not about the name), not even the club website itself. Not to mention it is not even a permanent arrangement so it is not the same as other stadium articles with sponsor names, it is instead a temporary promo exercise for future bidders, and was only announced by the club to assuage the anger at their previous botched announcement of a rename which suggested the name SJP was being dropped altogether. Nobody arriving at this article and not seeing this 'name' in the first line is not going to be confused in the slightest as to whether they have the right article. Putting it in the lede sentence quite obviously gives undue weight to what is ultimately, a piece of irrelevance. It would be an example of the tail wagging the dog. If and when this 'name' actually starts appearing on the stadium, or in third party reports not about the actual name, then you might have case. As of now, you really don't. MickMacNee (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I disagree. The very true arguments of usage are the reason the article should not be moved, but nevertheless I think the official name should be mentioned as suggested above. U-Mos (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Give me an actual reason then, what actual benefit to the reader does moving it from the bottom of the lede to the first line bring, given the fact it isn't being used as a name anywhere yet except the press release that announced it? MickMacNee (talk) 00:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The benefit of informing them of the official (albeit temporary) name, which in my opinion should be clarified asap in the article text. As I said, it being used nowhere except the press release is the reason the page has not and should not be moved, nothing else. Plus it would take up less room than the rather tagged-on sentence currently sitting in the lead. Perhaps "why" should not be the question here, but rather "why not"? U-Mos (talk) 10:13, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it is utterly unimportant to the reader, that is why not. Saving space is hardly a reason at all. Take a look at the BBC match details for today's game : Venue: St James' Park Date: Saturday, 7 November 2009 Kick-off: 1500 GMT. Nobody is using it, nobody will be looking for it, so why on earth would this article try and suggest  by stuffing it into the first line that it is somehow relevant at all? MickMacNee (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Because that is its legal and proper name. In the same way the St James' Park is the legal and proper name of this place. It also happens to be the common name of the place aswell, whereas Upton Park has become the common name for the Boleyn ground. MickMacNee (talk) 17:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I can assure that our policies about conflict of interest do not prevent fans of a club editting its Wikipedia page. 18:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Feel free to provide any evidence that it is the legal and proper name. You won't find it being used anywhere that has legal or proper weight. MickMacNee (talk) 18:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The name change has been announced. It's done. In what way does that not make it legal and proper? U-Mos (talk) 18:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A legal name is something that is used for official purposes on official documents. It is pretty daft to suggest the club are now dealing with the Football League, or the banks, or the local council, using this temporary branding name. A proper name is also the name used when you want to formally refer to the ground - such as the still unchanged club address, or official programmes, etc etc, none of which has changed either. So, I ask again, what evidence have you got that the legal and proper name is not still St James' Park? This change of name is purely a temporary change for marketing purposes only, and it doesn't even look like they are going to take it forward as just a brand change either. Infact, the club has not even registered it as a trademark, see a list here. MickMacNee (talk) 20:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So if, as you assert, it isn't the name of the grounds in any sense, what exactly do you think it is? U-Mos (talk) 21:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A simple pr exercise highlighting to next year's potential sponsors of the format of a proposed new naming rights package, which became necessary only after the confusion caused by the original announcemnt that naming rights were going up for sale next season. MickMacNee (talk) 21:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that's all OR. It IS the official name because we have a verifiable source calling it the official name. So that has to be accepted. U-Mos (talk) 09:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, look again. The source only says 'name', and actually recognises that it is a mere 'temporary rebranding' . These secondary sources do not say 'official name', and neither do the club. This is not original research, it is plain old common sense. The current wording in the article regarding the status and purpose of this new 'name', is both correct and accurate, per the sources. MickMacNee (talk) 15:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And it also says "rename", "renamed", "renaming", "adding to the name". Plus the "rebranding" means that this form of the name will be used within the club, even if it is not at this second. The change has happened. So I say again: no matter that it's temporary or not, how exactly is this not the official name of the stadium? U-Mos (talk) 18:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And how is the current article wording innacurate in that respect? It is not the 'official' name, for the million and one reasons already given. MickMacNee (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We've been over this. The current wording is accurate, no one is doubting that, but as the ground has been "renamed", "rebranded" etc. to the long version it warrants a clause in the first sentence. U-Mos (talk) 19:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sponsored name 

message: There is still a lot of reversion over the name on this article, mainly new and unregistered users adding the @ name to some or all places the name is mentioned. As such I've semi-protected the page until the existing move protection expires at 18:43 UTC on the 4th of May (I don't know if there is a significance to this date or not). I would encourage established editors here to place a prominent note on this talk page detailing what the consensus regarding the name is. I'd also encourage the consideration of placing html comments in the infobox and lead section pointing to that note. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  semi-protected again 

message: The owner has re-named it the Sports Direct Arena - the article is now misleading since there is a St. James' Park in Exeter.
Can someone now please update the page - for some reason its been proteced.
The stadium is now the Sports Direct Arena and that's what people are going to be searching for.
I understand that people didn't want to change it when it was @sportsdirect.com as this name was rarely referred to on official webpages and in the media.
Now this is official the page needs some changes, the new name is used on the premierleague.com http://www.premierleague.com/page/newcastle-united and newcastles official website http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Club/SportsDirectArena/Home and is being referred to in the media as such  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.93.219 (talk) 22:47, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stadium Rename - Article needs updating 

message: All references to "St.James park" as of the other day need to be changed to "Sports Direct Arena" as the name has legally and technically changed.
CCLaity (talk) 02:44, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The City of Manchester Stadium changed its name to the Etihad Arena earlier this year, yet it is still referred to as the CoMS everywhere on Wikipedia. How is St James' Park any different? Fintan264 (talk) 11:50, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from , 13 November 2011 

message: The wikipedia for St. James' Park Newcastle states to be the sixth largest stadium in the UK, when in fact it is the fourth with a 52,409 capacity.
Wembley 90,000, Old Trafford 75'811, Emirates Stadium 60,361.
Please could this be corrected.
Many thanks
Andy, Newcastle
95.151.144.133 (talk) 09:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The UK also includes Celtic Park in Glasgow, and the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff. This is all explained in the Capacity section of the Stadium Description. Fintan264 (talk) 12:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 15 December 2011 

message: Please change the page name from "St. James' Park" to "Sports Direct Arena" as it is quite well-known now that "St. James Park" is no longer the official name of the stadium.
90.220.52.83 (talk) 19:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: , see the name section--Jac16888 Talk 20:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Consensus at WT:FOOTBALL is that we do not change the stadium to their sponsored names. GiantSnowman 14:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Ah no, where? Call the police!!! GiantSnowman 18:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 4 January 2012 

message: I request that this page be renamed 'The Sports Direct Arena'. The ground is no longer named St James's Park in any way, shape or form. It is officially named the Sports Direct Arena now - something Newcastle United fans fully embrace and welcome. Please change this page on our behalf.
2.222.185.227 (talk) 00:21, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: per above. mabdul 13:11, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 15 March 2012 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 04:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 15:12, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

text: I hope nobody refers to the Emirates as the 'City of Manchester Stadium' - they're two seperate stadiums! GiantSnowman 13:00, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

text: *No, I was referring to the differing treatment of the names of those stadiums on Wikipedia; one uses the sponsored name, one doesn't. --BDD (talk) 15:52, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
It hasn't been officailly changed yet so it is still Sports Direct Arena at the moment http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Club/SportsDirectArena/Home  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.176.238 (talk) 16:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Once again an article stands inccorect on wikipedia  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbieranger (talk • contribs) 22:55, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Robbie - if you wish to move the article, please use WP:RM. Regards, GiantSnowman 13:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article 

message: Shouldn't it be better to have something like "St James' Park (Often reffered to by it's sponsor name Sports Direct Arena) is a stadium....   Then Maybe have a section explaining that it is called Sports Direct Arena in domestic football but has to be reffered to as St James' Park in european matches etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbieranger (talk • contribs) 23:26, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No. It's not called that, not even officially/mistakenly as it was for a short time. It's reverted back to the common sense/common name under the new sponsor, though for most people it never really changed and was always St James' Park.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 23:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Maybe I've missed it, but does this article actually explain why the ground is called St James - which St James as well, a wikilink to the right St James would be helpful as there are quite a few! This would be an interesting detail to add to the article! Acather96 (click here to contact me) 15:11, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable omission

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message: In the statues and memorials section of stadium description, the artist of the Jackie Milburn statue is written as Susanna Robisnon, which is correct, but her name incorrectly redirects to that of Susanna Philipse (8 September 1727 – 22 November 1822). Please could this be amended 128.240.225.39 (talk) 11:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request - Incorrect redirect