Talk:Frank Fahey (politician)

message: I just deleted a bunch of statements for which I could find no support in the source cited near the bottom of the section. In addition, I am really uneasy about the remaining statements in the  Investments, Property and the Russian Mafia section. The policy at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons is quite clear. "Unsourced or poorly sourced material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space." The policy also says, "The burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia, but especially for edits about living persons, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person who adds or restores the material." The sources for the material that is still in that section look like rumor-mongering and quilt-by-association to me, but I am not familiar with the sources, and will leave judgment of how reliable they are to others. -- Donald Albury 15:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statements 

message: I have removed the following material, once again, from the article, because it violates the letter and the spirit of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, or in the third sentence, our policy on copyrights..
::Fahey was known for his advocacy of the project, dismissing An Bord Pleanala's refusal of planning permission as "just a hitch".Minister should stay out of planning process - Ring – Fine Gael website, 19 September, 2002. This comment attracted criticism for its subversion of the supposedly independent planning body.Galway : "Free Rossport 5" campaigners protest at Frank Fahey's. TD, Constituency Office – Indymedia.ie article, 4 July, 2005.No-one is fooled by Shell’s bluster – Western People article, 27 July, 2005. As the minister also responsible for Coillte, the Irish national forestry service, he oversaw the sale to Shell Oil, for an undisclosed sum, of 400 acres of land at Bellanaboy in north County Mayo for a terminal where the unprocessed gas will be cleaned before entering the Bord Gáis network.
The first sentence, "Fahey was known for his advocacy of the project, dismissing An Bord Pleanala's refusal of planning permission as 'just a hitch'", is not supported by the cited link , which does not say anything about Fahey's advocacy for the Corrib project, and does not mention the "just a hitch" quote. The second sentence, "This comment attracted criticism for its subversion of the supposedly independent planning body", is not supported by the cited link , which is instead about the 'Rossport five'. Moreover, this site is a blog or forum, and is therefore not a reliable source. 
The third sentence, "As the minister also responsible for Coillte, the Irish national forestry service, he oversaw the sale to Shell Oil, for an undisclosed sum, of 400 acres of land at Bellanaboy in north County Mayo for a terminal where the unprocessed gas will be cleaned before entering the Bord Gáis network", is copied verbatim from the cited link at . While short quotes of copyrighted material may be used under the concept of "fair use", they must be clearly shown to be quotes. Please see Wikipedia:Copyrights. 
A recent edit summary included the comment, "I assume editor [meaning me, I gather] is not all familiar with Corrib gas project." That is correct, I am not familiar with it, and therefore do not know why it is controversial. Per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden of evidence, it is the responsibility of the editor adding material to an article, or wanting to retain material in an article, to cite reliable sources supporting the material. The requirement is particularly important in articles about living persons. To quote from Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, "We must get the article right.Jimmy Wales. Keynote speech, Wikimania, August 2006. Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles,Jimmy Wales. "WikiEN-l Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information", May 16, 2006 and May 19, 2006 talk pages, user pages, and project space." If you want to call the Corrib project controversial, cite reliable sources that say it is controversial. The same goes for the rest of it. You cannot use sources that only refer obliquely to  the material in the article. You must provide reliable sources for each statement, claim or opinion in the article. -- Donald Albury 13:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:BLP violations 

message: Just to notify that I'm going to do some editing to the article following this discussion: WP:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Frank_Fahey --FormerIP (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And I may follow with sharp pruning shears as well. <g>  Collect (talk) 22:40, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP complaint

message: Note sure where I got 2/3 from :P sorry. Reading the article is says they "shared about 75 per cent of the quotas given out, worth about €2 million." As I read it that means they received around €2 million, not the overall scheme totalling €2 million. I tweaked the article to say that - but if I am wrong then feel free to rv :) --Errant (chat!) 23:04, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Errant, grammatically, maybe the phrase you quote says that the quotas were worth €2 million, not the amount shared. The word "worth" perhaps most naturally attaches to the noun closest to it. Would it maybe be worth looking at multiple sources to see if they agree? --FormerIP (talk) 02:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked; but that's the only one I've found so far that actually treats this material (I've found a few other sources; but they deal exclusively with the Ombudsman and don't mention the constituents - except with a nod & wink). --Errant (chat!) 09:41, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
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