Talk:Guaraní people

message: This page is pulled almost directly from the Catholic Encyclopedia on-line.  I'm doing research on the guarani (using actual books instead of religiously charged websites) so I can contribute something a little more accurate later on, but in the meantime, is blatant copy-pasting permitable for a wiki entry?
:The Catholic Encyclopedia is in the Public domain, so it's ok. (It's not ok to copy & paste copyrighted material into Wikipedia articles.) However, the Catholic Encyclopedia is biased and out of date, so it would be great if you could help contribute to this article. Thanks. --Hottentot 22:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Blatant plagiarism

message: While I´m not enough of an expert to replace this with more accurate info myself, it is clear that the following isn´t true:
"All Paraguayan children are required to learn to speak, read and write in Guarani. Once, the language was looked down upon by the upper and middle classes, but now it is regarded with pride, and serves as a symbol of national distinctiveness."
I know plenty of Paraguayans who were not taught to speak, read, or write Guarani.  Furthermore, they do not necessarily look on Guarani with pride, as they use the terms "indigena" and "indio" with more than a hint of disdain for the guarani people.  Unfortunately, at least certain sections of the Paraguayan population do not identify positively with their Guarani heritage.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.184.116.71 (talk) 19:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccuracies 

message: I too found this article to be a little biased. While quite informative it uses inaccurate words like "Indians" and subjective word choices like "souls" as opposed to more neutral choices like "lives". It reads like a journal entry by a colonial era missionary, or perhaps a novel, like previously suggested.
I'm really new to wiki type things in general though so I don't feel comfortable making changes, but perhaps someone who is more familiar with such things will come along and see these concerns.
:—Preceding unsigned comment added by KrisWood (talk • contribs) 
A little Biased? The phrase: "It is estimated that two million Native Americans were slain or enslaved by these Brazilian slave-hunters during 130 years" is biased, as Brazilians weren't the only slave-hunters, being that thousands upon thousands of slaves were coming from Africa to Brazil. There was probably more Amerindian enslavement in the Spanish colonies then in Brazil as the Spanish Empire spanned all throughout the Americas, while Portugal only occupied what was a small section of Brazil, and sections of Africa. Maybe the phrase might seem a little less offensive to us Brazilians if it was rewritten replacing "Brazilian" slave hunters to "Pirates" or "outlaws", as Sao Paulo and Rio were major Pirate locations.
:—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.29.133.232 (talk • contribs) 
::I rephrased a bit the 'problematic' sentence. Please, add a comment on the Edit summary if you leave a message on the talk page regarding your edits. I reverted your edits because I didn't know about your message. Mariano(t/c) 06:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Native American historian I can say that "Indian" is an accepted, and used, term. User:Skooternb —Preceding undated comment added 17:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

text: All of the people in those pictures are Guarani. Blah2 (talk) 23:46, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little biased? 

message: This article requires extensive re-writing to remove author's bias, common statements of "fact" without citation, frequent hyperbole, and extensive use of quotations from similar work in place of original writing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.27.80.14 (talk • contribs)  {brought from article by Mariano(t/c) 11:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bias]] 

message: I'm working on cleaning this article up by sourcing it where appropriate and making an attempt to clean up the bias and hyperbole mentioned previously.  There's a lot of good information here but it looks like the article is largely a cut-and-paste from the Catholic Encyclopedia.  Working on finding more sources to provide a better balance to the article, too.  It's taking some time though, so bear with me if I make mistakes in the process :) Arkyan 18:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also noticed the Jesuit Missions section is HUGE, and far larger than the main article.  It's going to need a lot of pruning ... Arkyan 18:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Make sure to move/merge important parts to Jesuit Reductions or perhaps Mission (Christian). --Mariano(t/c) 20:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of it will go to Jesuit Reductions, at least insofar as there is no overlap.  Arkyan 20:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Cleaned up some text vandalism boobs. Why do people persist in putting childish scatalogical references in the text? GoatGuy 14:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Although I do not currently have the time to help with sourcing... which still seems to need a bit of work, I am currently working through the article to fix the grammar and the many sentences that just dont sound right.  --- Halfslice1126 (talk) 03:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar Cleanup 

message: The text repeatedly refers to a book by "Graham", but it is not mentioned in the footnotes.  This may be a work by Robert Bontine Cunninghame Graham.  If anyone can confirm this and has further information on which book, please add it to the sources.  Thanks.--Diannaa (talk) 18:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: sources

message: a map would be really good  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.23.154.233 (talk) 08:06, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: map

message: According to ethnologue, there are almost 5 million speakers of Guaraní, and yet this page's infobox says that there are 257,400 Guaranís. Where did this figure come from? Liam987 talk 18:50, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Guaraní 

message: " The traditional range of the Guaraní people is in present-day Paraguay between the Uruguay River and lower Paraguay River, the Misiones Province of Argentina, southern Brazil once as far as north as Rio de Janeiro, and parts of Uruguay and Bolivia. "  Surely this is incomplete?  It omits the existence of Guaraní people in more southerly parts of Argentina.  The province of Corrientes was traditionally Guaraní, indeed Guaraní is an official language at this day.  If my memory serves me it is still spoken in parts of Entre Rios and even Santa Fé.  And that's just today: in the past there were Guaraní settlements in Buenos Aires province.  In several places Felix Azara (who carefully surveyed the area towards the end of the 18th century) says that the Guaraní settled as far south as the modern town of San Isidro in Buenos Aires province.  
Could someone of a scholarly turn of mind improve this?  Ttocserp 10:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Traditional range

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message: Where the article reads (Aug 24, 2023) that it is the official language of certain Spanish-speaking nations, it is obviously meant to read that it is an official language in those nations, not the only official language, especially not to the exclusion of Spanish.  As I am not in a position to confirm if it is even an official language in those places, of several official languages, I am not doing an edit to the article.  But this is something that someone else may want to look in to and edit accordingly.  - Anonymous.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.232.73.234 (talk) 18:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: the language vs. a language

message: The "Name" section refers to the word "Guarinĩ" as attested in 12th century Old Tupi by Jesuit priests, which can't be right since there was no writing before European arrival, and obviously no Jesuit priests. It has a reference to a dictionary which I have no access to, so I can't verify the actual date. UnRwsiaidd (talk) 19:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  12th century source of the name?