Talk:Cubs–White Sox rivalry

message: In the "Socioeconomics", the idea that affluence is attributed to any one team is absurd.  There is no proof that the Cubs are a team that attracts the affluent, while the White Sox attracts the non-affluent.  It is also ridiculous to say that one race prefers one team, while another prefers the other.  Couldn’t that be eliminated?
*It's a stereotype only, and should be labeled as such. The stereotype is that the Cubs attract yuppies and the Sox attract the working class. Wahkeenah 23:25, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Socioeconomics

message: "The rivalry is so heated, that it can be considered a "civil war" for the city, with the only thing keeping the city together for many years were the Chicago Bulls and Chicago Bears.  However, because of the growing number of Cub fans becoming fans of the Green Bay Packers, which of course, are the Bears biggest rival, many Sox fans, from some peoples' perspectives, are paranoid that Cub fans are Packer fans, so the Bears have now entered the rivalry, with Sox fans saying that since they are Bears fans, Cub fans are, in fact, traitors to the city, and saying that, despite loving a legendary part of the city, which is Wrigley Field, they are "fair-weather" Chicagoans. Of course, a few Cubfans will deny this, especially Jim Belushi, who is a die-hard Bears fan."
"The only problem with this, is the Cubs' history of choking and failure, it could be long time before the Cubs finally win which is great from a Sox fan's perspective."
I'm going to revert to my last edit, and keep an eye out for other POV bull.
What's this bullcrap about Cub fans begin PAcker fans.  not true at all. Im a Sox fan, yrt I find a way to unite with cubs fan during football season--Arusnak 17:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Watch for POV Vandalism 

message: We're getting regular POV vandalism from an anonymous user who is swapping the names of the two teams with no regard to the facts related, and also swapping the position in which the two team names appear, which at this point should simply be left consistent with the title, or as it is.Patrick Sheehan 05:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Watch for POV vandalism: team swapping 

message: -Maybe at the end of the first paragraph where it mentions that the Red Line is the only thing the teams have in common an addition could be made to include Harry Caray (who broadcasted for both teams), and perhaps a chart of players that have played for both teams could be added at the end (e.g. Steve Stone, Luis Salazar, Jason Bere, Sammy Sosa, George Bell, Rich "Goose" Gossage, Greg Hibbard, Don Pall, Matt Karchner, Scott Fletcher, Ron Santo, Don Kessinger, etc...). 
-I also think that some tidbits could be added regarding the exhibition series' (i.e. "The Cross-town Classic") that the two teams played prior to inter-league play. Maybe include the record. I'm sure it exists somewhere from these games. 
-Oh, and the Major League debut of Michael Jordan in a Sox uniform at the was during a Cub-Sox clash at Wrigley Field. 
-In the media section there was mention of the broadcasting disparity on WGN of Cub games to Sox games. I believe this is actually due to the contract Sox majority owner Jerry Reinsdorf has with WGN, and not necessarily because of a bias on the part of the Tribune. (It's a minor point).
Ered7 19:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Several minor points. 

message: I've never heard this term and I've been a Chicagoan and a purveyor of trash talk for years. I've NEVER heard that term. It needs sourcing or deletion.
:I agree. I'm going to change this to "Crosstown Classic" to match the conversation below. —Fumo7887 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Line Rivalry 

message: This should be renamed Crosstown Classic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.1.43.206 (talk) 02:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is named as such to match with other rivalry articles. I'm going to change the "also known as" however. —Fumo7887 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crosstown classic 

message: After thinking about it, I decided to add a chart comparing the teams with some numbers.  Most of the info was added up from mlb.com.  Some of this info may not be all that important.  It is very rough, and I welcome improvementsTeganX7 06:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: By the Numbers

message: There are no sources cited here at all, and it seems like total nonsense to me.  The entire socioeconomics section seems unfit for the article; to make claims that Cubs fans are more affluent than Sox fans is ridiculous without backup support.  This is stated in this section, but there is much else that is totally unnecessary.  There should be a sentence, at most, concerning this.  Unless there is a sudden influx of sources or good arguments for, I'm going to just get rid of the section. Stever Augustus 19:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socioeconomics section 

message: "White Sox fans in general (although not all) have a much stronger hatred toward the Cubs. This could be due to many reason, some being that White Sox fans see the need to justify why the Cubs consistently sell out their home games even during losing seasons when the Sox can not do so unless it is a world series game."
lol Cubs favouritismYoshiman64 (talk) 22:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:White Sox Alt Logo.svg

message: They had a rainout in their first series this year.  You'd think that they'd try to schedule a split-ballpark doubleheader to make it up in the second series as the Yankees and Mets did a few years ago. Hadn't read anything pertaining to that possibility so far. WHPratt (talk) 05:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interleague schedule 2009 

message: This could be a much better article if it actually had some sources. Please don't add any new material without including your source. Tad Lincoln (talk) 21:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add some sources 

message: Why are the dates the same, yet the dates on the edit page are right, that needs to be fixed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.20.21 (talk) 01:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Scores 

message: One-third of that section concerns 2010 association with the Chicago ice hockey championship. One third concerns 1997-2009, the rest of interleague play. One third concerns the first ninety-seven years, essentially an overview of Year 1900 and a reference to the one World Series. Ahem. --P64 (talk) 01:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The current article is still heavily-weighed toward modern-day series, which is not even what the Retrosheet work on City Series is concerned with.  The traditional City Series was strictly post-season, much like the World Series. The article barely mentions the traditional and definitive City Series between the Sox and Cubs from approx 1903 to 1942. That is what I came here to find out about; instead I find next to nothing on "the historic exhibition", and a lot of coverage about recent inter-league play. I came here from the disambiguation page on City Series, expecting  an article on the traditional City Series that Retrosheet talks about. Frankly the article on the City_Series_(Philadelphia) is much more in line with Retrosheet and a much more balanced coverage between the traditional "exhibitions" and the modern inter-league play.  Sp3lly (talk) 13:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: See "Regional Postseason Series" at Retrosheet. 
Those series, including three matching Cleveland and Cincinnati, were official—sanctioned by Baseball. They exclude preseason (none sanctioned), mid-season (none sanctioned), and unsanctioned postseason games matching the same teams. --P64 (talk) 01:25, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retrosheet coverage 

message: The material on the Cubs Curse and the ex-Cubs factor have little connection with the Chicago City Series - or even in a broader article about the Sox - Cubs rivalry. Sp3lly (talk) 13:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe just in the context of the similar "curse" on the Sox, due to the 1919 World Series, seemingly expunged in 2005. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:30, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But there already exists an entire page dedicated to the curse, and it is explained in detail on the Cubs page. So it doesn't seem necessary in this article. LogicalFinance33 (talk) 16:49, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe just as some "see alsos". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:53, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cubs Curse and ex-Cubs Curse not at all part of the topic of this article 

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message: Could we add notable moments from the past from this rivalry? Like besides the brawl between Pierzynski and Barrett like other notable moments like the 17-14 final score game from 2021 or Eloy Jimenez go ahead homer from 2019 against his former team or Aramis Ramirez's walk off home run from 2008. I know this rivalry isn't as big as Yankees-Red Sox but there is some moments we could add in a notable moments section. Chicagosports2004 (talk) 19:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit trivial and subjective to have a list of games that are arbitrarily deemed "notable". It's something you see more often in a listicle. Is it notable because something interesting happened, or because there has been significant media coverage to this day. Yankees–Red Sox rivalry is a good example that's GA-tier that recounts the history of the two teams with proper context and historical significance. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  20:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add notable rivalry moments section?