Talk:2006 United States Senate election in Washington

message: Just to save time and hourly updates, how about leaving the current primary results (it's only likely to fluctuate by a percentage or two) until the election is certified or at least keep the updating to once a day until then. --Bobblehead 17:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edit was the one that jiggled my memory. I was getting ready to make the updates myself earlier and then changed my mind about halfway through when I realized the numbers were changing as I was updating. As for the 100% reporting, that's just the precincts and is only the in person voters, so the tallies do not necessarily include the absentee ballots. --Bobblehead 17:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Primary results

message: Is three paragraphs really necessary for something that isn't even a campaign issue? At least, not yet. --Bobblehead 21:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be a campaign issue.  It definitely was for the LaMagna/Wilson hires, and Tran solicitation, and I'm pretty sure you will see more to come with the Dixon allegations.  The Seattle media does not like being stonewalled. Emcee 21:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you part of the "Seattle media [that] does not like being stonewalled"?  It seems that you are unable to demonstrate that this is a big issue.  It is interesting that you claim "I'm pretty sure you will see more to come with the Dixon allegations".  How do you know this?  Are you hoping to use this article as a platform to spread this information? --Nottingham 22:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest focusing less on me and more on content.  Wikipedia, and any encyclopedia, is method of supplying information to people, yes.  I'm hoping to use this article to provide accurate and relevant information to people who are interested in the Washington United States Senate election of 2006, as I assume most editors of the article are.  My opinions on whether or not this particular allegation will see further coverage is based on my familiarity with the race and the media outlets that have been doing a lot of coverage on it.  I have been reading a lot and following it closely.  That's another reason why I'm contributing to this article, because I think that I have a good understanding of the race and the candidates and can be useful in improving the article.  Emcee 00:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You made claims: " . . . I'm pretty sure you will see more to come with the Dixon allegations. The Seattle media does not like being stonewalled."  Now you seem upset when you are challenged on these claims.  It appears that you represent yourself as speaking on behalf of the Seattle media.  I have suggested many times to you that you should actually focus on the content and being accurate instead of making unsupportable claims, and of making claims that actually prove to be incorrect when someone actually reads the material wrongly cited as supporting the claim.  --Nottingham 00:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, meant major campaign issue.;) It hasn't had any effect on the election so far (similar to McGavick's DUI arrest and Cantwell's Iraq stance).  It has more space in the article than some of the major campaign issues which seems inordinate given the minimal impact it has had on the campaign so far. --Bobblehead 02:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  How are you measuring whether or not it has had an effect?  And why would you add the McGavick section if you think it isn't an issue?  It's news on the election -- there has been nationwide coverage of the previous buy-out offers, btw -- and as long as it's cited, no reason not to include.  We don't have to include every detail, but we do want to give a true summary and impression of what actually took place. Emcee 04:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "there has been nationwide coverage" is a false statement.  As you edited that section, it is disappointing that you apparently knowlingly made or edited a false claim.  Nationwide, as per Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1), Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006., means "extending throughout the nation".  There is a citation to a commentary in one newspaper from Washington, DC.  That is not "extending throughout the nation".  If there were "nationwide" coverage of these "buy-out offers" then presumably you would be able to reference coverage from several other states, such as Texas, Florida, California, New York, Wisconsin, and Vermont, to name some examples. --Nottingham 22:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not necessary that I provide a citation for every sentence that I write on the talk page, but here's another from New York.  As I mentioned above, I've done a lot of reading on the subject and can say with confidence that the buy-outs have been a significant part of the media coverage of the race.  Emcee 00:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have told you many times, that it would be constructive for you to quote facts instead of using your opinions.  Obviously, it would also be constructive for you to stop using Wikipedia for your personal agenda as well, which you do by using it to promote your opinions instead of NPOV listings of facts.  The NYT article you cite has a brief reference to the accusations of Cantwell hiring opponents buried in the 19th and 20th paragraphs.  As for your remark "I've done a lot of reading on the subject and can say with confidence" I do not understand why you insist on making yourself and your opinions the issue.  You should leave your personal biases and agendas aside and focus strictly on facts.  --Nottingham 01:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hiring of rivals

message: I meant to leave a note here when I made the update, but was rather harried and forgot. Anyways, Hope it's alright that I left just a sampling of the endoresments for Cantwell in the Dem Primary. I couldn't find a centralized source that listed the endorsements for all the LDs and while I did find links to most, if not all, of the LDs, I figured 44 separate links would be a bit much. --Bobblehead 16:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to edit as you see fit for grammar and what not. It seemed appropriate to have the endorsements mentioned in one sentence as they were all related, but it does create a rather long run-on sentence. The edit summary was in reference to Nottingham re-adding that Cantwell received 44 endorsements while leaving the original sentence that I added and you edited, having it referenced twice was just redundant. Made sense to have Cantwell first since she received more of the endorsements. Although, for readability, it probably should have gone Cantwell, joint, Tran. Just so the detail of Tran's solo endorsement is more closely associated with the "she won the endoresment" line. --Bobblehead 17:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Anyone know how King County Democrats works? In strolling through the page and the links there to the LDs, many of the LDs only have a primary endorsement announcement for the Judicial races and a link to a page of Candidates (which usually means these are the ones we endorse). Except for the 32nd (which has Tran as their sole endorsement) the rest seem to be deferring to the KCD endorsements.--Bobblehead 17:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks like what's below is all I'm going to be able to confirm without further digging. Most of the remaining don't have a website, haven't updated it in awhile, or have already updated their pages with General election endorsements and didn't keep their primary endorsements. Darn them. ;) --Bobblehead 19:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The quote is acceptable for inclusion in the article. I'd personally prefer a trimmed down version of it. Something along the lines of "The 25th LD Vice Chairman stated the shared endoresement vote "wasn't a slap against Cantwell, but also it was kind of a feel-good vote" and it was about how the war was handled rather than troop withdrawls." But that's my opinion, so take it or leave it as you deem fit.;) --Bobblehead 21:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict)The press made a deal about the LD endorsements, thus the article does. The undemocratic nature of LDs is beside the point.--Bobblehead 21:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: You're stretching a bit for the comparison of the percentage of LD endorsements versus actual primary results. Especially when you're comparing a limited local vote against that of a state result. A better comparison would be of the vote total for Tran in the LD vs the vote percentage she got in the endorsement meeting. Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence. I didn't see any of the other Candidates winning any LD endoresments, yet there they are with around .6-2% of the vote. --Bobblehead 21:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Might be a coincidence, might not, but in any case, it's pretty darn close to the actual voter percentage she got -- you can't say the LD endorsement  results in her case were notoriously unrepresentative.  As for the other candidates, only Mover and Goodspaceguy got enough popular votes to correspond to even half of an LD's endorsement, but I don't think it's a big surprise that none of the democratic party faithful who are active enough to go be involved at their LDs viewed them as candidates to be taken seriously.Emcee 20:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cantwell and 44 LD endorsements

message: Well, here's the start of 'em. ;) Running low on time right now, so I'll add more as I find 'em.
:Anyone know how King County Democrats works? In strolling through the page and the links there to the LDs, many of the LDs only have a primary endorsement announcement for the Judicial races and a link to a page of Candidates (which usually means these are the ones we endorse). Except for the 32nd (which has Tran as their sole endorsement) the rest seem to be deferring to the KCD endorsements.--Bobblehead 17:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like what's below is all I'm going to be able to confirm without further digging. Most of the remaining don't have a website, haven't updated it in awhile, or have already updated their pages with General election endorsements and didn't keep their primary endorsements. Darn them. ;) --Bobblehead 19:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The quote is acceptable for inclusion in the article. I'd personally prefer a trimmed down version of it. Something along the lines of "The 25th LD Vice Chairman stated the shared endoresement vote "wasn't a slap against Cantwell, but also it was kind of a feel-good vote" and it was about how the war was handled rather than troop withdrawls." But that's my opinion, so take it or leave it as you deem fit.;) --Bobblehead 21:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict)The press made a deal about the LD endorsements, thus the article does. The undemocratic nature of LDs is beside the point.--Bobblehead 21:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: You're stretching a bit for the comparison of the percentage of LD endorsements versus actual primary results. Especially when you're comparing a limited local vote against that of a state result. A better comparison would be of the vote total for Tran in the LD vs the vote percentage she got in the endorsement meeting. Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence. I didn't see any of the other Candidates winning any LD endoresments, yet there they are with around .6-2% of the vote. --Bobblehead 21:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Might be a coincidence, might not, but in any case, it's pretty darn close to the actual voter percentage she got -- you can't say the LD endorsement  results in her case were notoriously unrepresentative.  As for the other candidates, only Mover and Goodspaceguy got enough popular votes to correspond to even half of an LD's endorsement, but I don't think it's a big surprise that none of the democratic party faithful who are active enough to go be involved at their LDs viewed them as candidates to be taken seriously.Emcee 20:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: LD Endorsements

message: What does majority 781,983 refer to in the general election results?
:The number of votes needed to have over 50% of the vote. Not sure it's overly important, but there it is. --Bobblehead 01:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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