Talk:Frock coat

message: I am not an authority on military uniforms - is the modern military frock coat exclusively British?  We should link army and navy to something, but I am not sure which articles.
I will try to find some better PD illustrations of frock coats.
PKM 02:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Military Frock Coats

message: Does waist seam refer to a seam around the waist, or down to the waist?
Waht on earth is "optimal waist suppression"?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.150.59 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 12 May 2008
:The waist seam runs around the waist, and waist suppression describes how the diameter of the coat at the waist relates to its chest diameter; to make a more conical shape, you need to cut the fabric more, adding a seam and side panels.—Kan8eDie (talk) 03:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Seam

message: I think the readability issue is real one. It raises an interesting issue - they need to have a basic style orientation as well as a technically in depth analysis from a cutter/tailor and dress historian's view. 
I will probably add a pattern for a frock coat soon and move all of the technical stuff into that section. That will make the main sections much more readable while permitting readings to go into depth if they wish. 
Sator  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sator (talk • contribs) 10:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Linguistically, the term frock coat itself derives from the Middle English froke, from the Old French froc, from the Old High German hroc. The French and Italian word for a frock coat is redingote, and the German is Gehrock, or a Bratenrock.
Also, I wonder about this sentence: "Patent leather pump shoes were worn up until the Edwardian era with morning dress, a practice today reserved strictly for evening formalwear"; now, I am most surprised to find that patent pumps were daywear (certainly patent boots though).  I will Sator's word for it if he is sure though.
Again, one more ambiguous sentence is "Another rare feature was the use of decorative braiding around the sleeve cuffs and lapel edges." Do you mean that the braiding was rare then or now?
Anyway, I love the article, which is full of information; it only has a couple of ragged edges to sort out.—Kan8eDie (talk) 04:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments from recent edit 

message: While there's no reason to disbelieve reports of Obama wearing a frock coat, every picture I can find of the ceremony has his clothing covered by a closed overcoat. Are there any images of the modern frock coats?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.166.192 (talk) 03:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Frock coats are not uncommon on wedding. See for instance http://www.suitopia.com/en/wedding/ for a store that sells them as wedding dress. Looking at http://www.denisenadinedesign.com/Frock%20Coats.htm about halfway down the page is a comparison betweek modern and 19th century frock coats. // Liftarn (talk) 08:40, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of Obama's purported frock coat? 

message: I have heard the things that Queen Elizabeth II commonly wears called "frock coats" as well.  My British friend tells me that a coat with a matching shift underneat is also called "frock coat."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  women wearing frock coats? 

message: The former article named Redingote, previously nominated to merge with this article without objection, has now been merged here. Or rather split, with men's section here and women's section into riding habit (the latter which still needs improvement). This wasn't all too easy to assess. Although it could be argued that two different articles could be motivated, at least in its ultimate state the merge article seemed rather poor, and had remained so for a substantial time. As "frock coat" and "redingot" has been applied as synonyms on more than one occation in different languages, this also supported the merge. Anyway, arguments are welcome, as is improvement. Chicbyaccident (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from "Redingote" 

message: Are we sure that this famous photo is really from 1907?
My recollection is that it is of Lloyd George going to present one of his budgets. He was promoted to Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Churchill entered the Cabinet (President of the Board of Trade) in 1908. So more likely it is 1908-9, Churchill's reforming period. He was reshuffled to the Home Office early in 1910, I think.Paulturtle (talk) 19:47, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd George and Churchill 

message: We'd need a source, but during the later stages of WW1, when British civil-military relations had become extremely strained, the conflict was called a conflict between the "frocks" (politicians, derogatory abbreviation of "frock coats") and "brasshats" (generals). I think it was supposed to have been General Henry Wilson who came up with it.Paulturtle (talk) 19:50, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frocks and BrassHats