Talk:Unionism in Scotland

message: It should be noted that the vast majority of Scottish Unionists, being electorally the majority of the population of Scotland, have nothing to do with the Conservative Party or the Orange Order. Most Unionists would vote for one of the Labour/Lib-Dem coalition partners in the Scottish Parliamentary elections.
:That is not what the article says. It reports that the Orange Order, the Conservative Party and the Labour Party are all Scottish Unionists. That fact surely cannot be disputed.--Mais oui! 22:55, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

message: The genesis of an article is here. But a much clearer definition of terms is required. 1) Scottish unionism i.e. commitment to Scotland remaining in the union (which is, debatably, the majority position of Scots including many Roman Catholics), cannot and should not be compared to Orangism. Most 'unionists' in Scotland would abhore sectarianism. The Tories, historically, have been known as the 'unionist party', but in fact Labour and the Lib-Dems are also 'unionist' parties in Scottish terms. The Tory 'unionist' tag has undergone changes - I think, and I can't be sure, that it originated in 19th Century over opposion to Irish home rule, but that is not what  it is generally taken to mean today.       
Unionism is a very slippery term in Scotland - and because of its use in Northern Ireland, a careful discussion is needed. This article needs re-written with a lot more care. Perhaps starting with a disambiguation of the term in a scottish context. --Doc (?) 23:02, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it. (Would it help, or hurt, to begin by making a temporal distinction between old-time Scottish unionism and the present-day variety that seems more slippery?) QuartierLatin 1968 01:12, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I'd go for that redirect - deal with the politics of independence and 'unionism' at Scottish independence. And perhaps have a separate article on Sectarianism in Scotland to deal with the 'religious' dimension. This article confuses two things that need to be kept apart for the most (I suspect many rangers fans actually vote SNP).--Doc (?) 16:30, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Late in the day but whilst I don't know of any studies particularly focusing on how many SNP-voting Rangers fans there are, there certainly have historically been religious alignments in voting patterns. The SNP vote has historically been more Protestant than the Scottish electorate as a whole, though this may be largely because until recently Labour has managed to hold onto much of the "Catholic vote" whilst the old concept of a "Protestant vote" has decline much faster. (There have been all manner of accusations of sectarian campaigning on all sides.) More recently this alignment is breaking down with other parties courting Catholic voters - see this article from a decade ago. http://www.newstatesman.com/199902120026 Timrollpickering (talk) 01:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: It does sound rather limiting only to mention the Tories, Labour, Lib Dems and the SUP as Unionists. This could lead people to assume that it there is no 'unionism' within the left of politics. A number of communist parties, such as the CPGB and the CPB support a union of sorts (usually federal in nature and sometimes excluding Ireland). I also assume that, due to its leader, the RESPECT group is pro-Union, but I've never heard then actively speak on the matter. -- Anonymous
I would personally disagree with any Labour politician describing themselves as "of the left", but many still do. You can bet George Galloway will be moving in shortly on the Scottish left, after the internecine warfare in the remnants of the established (pro-independence) Scottish left: that is if he can drag himself away from London politics. -- Anonymous.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.178.115 (talk) 10:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limitation of parties 

message: This image which has a mural in Belfast uses the Ulster Independence Flag and flag of Scotland. The Ulster Independence Flag represents the view of a Nothern Ireland without being part of United Kingdom or the Republic of Ireland. Just guessing also using the Scottish flag the maker of this mural was dedicating it to Ulster-Scots and to the belief of Ulster Independence, so I don't see how this has anything to do with Scottish Unionism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paddythecelt (talk • contribs) 
: Fair point. Feel free to upload something more appropriate. --Breadandcheese 00:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belfast Northern Ireland "freedom corner" image 

message: Under Status of the term the sentence "the 'Unionist' in the present title of the Conservatives was added as a reference to Irish Unionism after a merger with the Liberal Unionist Party and has nothing to do with the name of the former Scottish party" appears to contradict the Unionist Party article. As I read the latter, it says that it was this very merger which formed the Unionist Party. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was not the merger of the Unionist Party in Scotland and the Conservatives that caused it to be called the Conservative and Unionist Party - indeed, the Conservatives in England had been using that title for decades. It was indeed from the Liberal Unionist merger, so this page is correct. --Breadandcheese (talk) 16:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we remove the tag then? --Jza84 |  Talk   17:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction re the Unionist Party?  

message: Please see:
* Talk:Ken_Macintosh#BBC report: "Labour leadership contender rejects unionist label"
--Mais oui! (talk) 04:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC report: "Labour leadership contender rejects unionist label" 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Unionism in the United Kingdom which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 15:29, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Unionism in Scotland. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20060620181321/http://www.cpgb.org.uk:80/theory/ssp.htm to http://www.cpgb.org.uk/theory/ssp.htm
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 12:13, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There are no third party sources to establish the subject or its scope ----Snowded TALK 09:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research