Talk:John Profumo

message: The article lists when Profumo met Keeler as January 1961, but various other sources suggest they actually met on the weekend of 8-9 July 1961 at Astor's estate.  --Downloaddom (talk) 11:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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message: The article should at least be divided into sections, and requires a pic also.--Rejnal 19:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sections done - not too sure about "post 1964" - I am convinced someone else has a better idea what to call it. pic still needed. Agathoclea 19:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: Does anyone know why the parliamentary constituency is called Stratford-on-Avon when the town is called Stratford-upon-Avon? Adam 03:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: Did he die on March 9 (as in the article) or March 10 (as in Deaths in 2006)? Margana 17:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just altered the article there. Google search brings up newsitems dated 9th. The referenced article says he died around midnight. He was admitted to hospital on the 7th and died 2 days later which is the 9th. I'd say we stick with the 9th until we have official statment otherwise. Agathoclea 18:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I only found one Swiss newspaper which said he died after midnight. Agathoclea 18:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Closer to home  says it was "Thursday night". Agathoclea 18:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I thought: Thursday night is after 24.00 h.; before that, is't evening ain't it? Anyway imho it's still a mystery. --Algont 12:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would call that "In the early hours of Friday" or "Friday morning" - but once the dust has settled there should be an "offical" orbitatory that will settle it. Agathoclea 14:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  According to German newspaper "Frankfurter Rundschau", it was after midnight, so the 10. --217.83.105.45 21:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of death

message: Statements about living persons must be sourced. Xiner (talk, email) 15:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: I've read a few times that it was Barbara Castle who stood up in the House and directly asked whether Profumo was having an affaire with Ms.Keeler. --Maarten1963 01:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Wigg? 

message: ...Brasenose College, Oxford, where he took his degree in agriculture and political economy
Where on earth does this come from? I don't think it's possible to get a degree in "agriculture and political economy" from Oxford. According to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography he read law. Flapdragon (talk) 17:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Degree 

message: Inserting the rank of Brigadier into his official designation is an odd one.
Nobody in civilian life ever referred to him in this style. Unless he was a Regular Army Brigadier, then the title is incorrect anyway. I'm fairly sure it was wartime rank, not substantive. If it's pukka, then the dates of his Regular Army service should be logged. 86.178.157.135 (talk) 21:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are absolutely right. No-one these days carries military titles in peacetime, and Profumo certainly did not. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brigadier? 

message: In his biography of Winston Churchill, Roy Jenkins gives the Margesson quote but claims that it was not in a letter but spoken to John Profumo in person after calling him in the morning after the vote.  Is there a more reliable source that claims it was in a letter? 71.175.132.140 (talk) 00:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Margesson quote 

message: Is it really approriate for an enzyclopedia to use politically correct euphemisms? She wasn't a "model", she was a prostitute.
--94.222.154.33 (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: She has always insisted that she wasn't, a line accepted by most people who've written seriously about the matter - most also agree that Ward's conviction for "living off immoral earnings" (i.e. pimping) was a gross miscarriage of justice - he was actually subsidising her, not the other way round. A lot hinged on trial (and in the movie "Scandal" in 1989) on the fact that Profumo once gave her a wad of notes to buy a present for her Mum. She enjoyed being looked after by wealthy admirers, no doubt (although not to the extent of Mandy Rice-Davies, who was Peter Rachman's kept mistress for a while), but wasn't paid in cash.Paulturtle (talk) 15:36, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keeler 

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message: The BBC are reporting that in the 1930s Profumo had an affair with a German model who later became a Nazi spy. Citing newly declassified documents the BBC says "MI5 documents suggest the minister had a relationship with German model Gisela Winegard in Oxford in the early 1930s, before she became a spy in Paris."
From the BBC report it sounds like Gisela Winegard didn't become a Nazi spy until after her relationship with Profumo ended, but even so it's relevant to this page. 86.30.22.26 (talk) 13:31, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi spy connection 

message: The article seems to have got this wrong. John Profumo's 'parent regiment', the one in which he was first commissioned, may have been the Northants Yeomanry (and officers would continue to wear the cap badges of their parent regiments while serving with other units, unless and until promoted to 'field rank' when they would wear a general's cap badge), but he never served overseas with the regiment. Not in North Africa, because they never went there, and not in Normandy as the article claims either. Aristotle reminds us that no man can be in two places at the same time and, from late 1943 to VE-Day, Profumo was a General Staff Intelligence officer attached to Alexander's GHQ in Italy and co-ordinating air support for the US Fifth and British Eighth Armies, a task at which he excelled and for which he was awarded several commendations and decorations. ( https://www.tracesofwar.com/persons/90108/Profumo-John-Dennis-Jack-5th-Baron-Profumo.htm )
Sir Antony Beevor, in Arnhem: The Battle for the Bridges 1944, Penguin 2019, p.207, claims that, during the German bombing of Eindhoven, Holland, on the night of 19/20 September 1944, while a vast column of British XXX Corps vehicles was moving north through the town in support of Operation Market Garden, 'Captain John Profumo, the second in command of A Squadron (and many years later Britain's secretary of state for war), organised civilian working parties with great speed to clear the debris and allow the column to continue.' Sir Antony is, of course, RS, but he is also sometimes surprisingly wrong. The claim isn't footnoted, so God knows where he got that idea unless it was a previous and even more inaccurate version of Wikipedia's article. He doesn't say which unit John Profumo was supposedly A Sqn 2iC of, but implicitly it's 2nd Household Cavalry, the armoured-car reconnaissance force of XXX Corps, mentioned earlier in the same paragraph as guiding the column through Eindhoven. This makes no sense at all. Profumo never served in the Household Cavalry (and his parent regiment 1 Northants Yeomanry was not part of XXX Corps and was not present at Eindhoven) and in September 1944 he was a staff lieutenant-colonel in Italy, not a cavalry captain in the Netherlands. Just shows how fairy-stories do the rounds. Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  War Service