Talk:Dutch people/Archive 5

message: I recently reassed this article and reranked its rating according to the projects quality scale, and it is now a A-class article instead of a B-class article. For comparison, the (only) other 2 A-class articles are Taiwanese aborigines and Berber people. Especially in respect to the latter article (Berber people) I thought this article was better (no offense meant to its contributors). However, it's somewhat not done for a main contributor of an article (to which I count myself) to assed "their own" articles. So if anyone is opposed (though I do expect reasonable arguments) to its new ranking please say so. 
Rex 13:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, well I already explained that I was aware of my own "involvedness" so that bit was somewhat unecessary, but okay. The strange thing is, wel I at least think it is, is that a GoodArticle, is (apparantly) ranked below an A-class article, but the procedure for GAs (reviews/listings, etc) are far more advanced, while practically anyone (with a 2 sentence summary) can list an article as being A-class... if I didn't know any better I'd say a GA outranks an A-class one. I won't deny that the reranking to B is somewhat of a disappointment, as there is so much "crap" in that class, but lets look at where the GAnomination gets us and then continue.Rex 19:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just read the following on the projectpage: "[GA-class]This should be used for articles that still need some work to reach featured article standards, but that are otherwise acceptable. Good articles that may succeed in FAC should be considered A-Class articles, but having completed the Good article designation process is not a requirement for A-Class." So my question to you is, if we get trough the GA review, would you then still oppose a reranking to A?Rex 19:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As I said, there is a good chance of making GA-class, but there will inevitably be remarks. Following up these suggestions would be helpful to further develop towards FA. I agree the classes seem a bit muddled. As far as I know the A,B,start and stub are given by people in larger project (here ethnic people), while only GA and FA have a centralised review. I think that while A should be given to articles of better quality (between GA and FA), the actual rating system for A-class is less robust compared to GA. In other words A is a better rank but given out by a less qualified rating body (perhaps a bit comparable to a BSc of Harvard being worth more than an MSc of a small college). Just let's wait and see the GA review first. Arnoutf 19:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New ranking (B → A-class article)

message: I've nominated the article for a GA review, I think and hope the article meets the criteria.Rex 13:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Good article candidates|GA nominee]] (2007-05-13)

message: Now look at the (Dutch) situation here. We have a group of people, saying that there's one big Dutch ethnic group1,2, which exists in the Low Countries, with the same common history and culture3 and who all speak Dutch4. I know ethnic nationalism is a form of nationalism by definition, but we can be a little more precise here.Rex 14:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ethnic nationalism]] vs. [[Nationalism]] 

message: A general note when editing this particular section. The information there is almost literally cited content as provided by the sources. Please do not make changes to it that alter the meaning but still make it seem as if it's referenced. Rex 16:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you referring to the change I made to this? The Germans seem to be generally unaware of the way they are stereotyped by their neighbours and often think it is merely a soccer phenomenon, as this is when the anti-German feelings are most visible.. I do not have access the the citation but I know that this statement is false. From my time living on both sides of the border, I know that this is not true. Also, using the term "seem to be" is very flimsy. So instead of coming out and saying that this is wrong (which some might consider WP:OR), I reworded it a bit to make it clearer that this statement is a matter of opinion (in this case, the author of this reference, who I assume is Dutch). - 52 Pickup 17:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you see, you're not the first one who did this, but indirectly yes. I know you merely reworded it, (and added a cite-tagg), but the source (which I thought was directly accesible) is very clear on the matter. Btw, in this case the author was a Dutch "Germanist" (ie one who specialises in German language and culture), in all other cases (concerning stereotypes) the authors are English (speakers).Rex 18:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've undone some of your edits. All the information there was fully sourced (you can't have such a section without them) next time when you doubt something read the source before you remove or alter. Especially concerning this section. Refrain from adding unsupported personal experiences at all times.Rex 10:19, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The view on others/stereotype section