Talk:2006 Liberal Party of Canada leadership election/Archive 3

message: We should ensure that the rules as outlined on this page of the official Liberal Party website are reflected in the rules section of our article.Homey 14:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rules 

message: Has he actually formally announced yet? Homey 23:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As much as Godfrey has, both confirmed on television programs that they would be candidates for leader. - Jord 14:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then might as well include Michael Ignatieff and Stephane Dion.  The media has been reporting they will both anounce their candidacy this Friday.  - Ogryx 19:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, no.  Bevilacqua has himself said that he would be a candidate.  That is very different from media reports of rumours that Ignatieff and Dion will take the same step on Friday.  Once they do take that same step, they can be considered in the same category. PoliSciMaster 00:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then how do we determine what's official?  I have heard Ignatieff say so himself that he's in the race.  Neither Bevilacqua nor Godfrey have actually officially entered.  They just said they would be in the race.  If we mark Bevilacqua as "on the race" just because he said so then I say we should put at least Ignatieff has well.  -- Ogryx 19:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Splendid idea. -Joshuapaquin 02:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although it's worth commenting-out, rather than removing, the writeups for the declarees in the interim. The Tom 03:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bevilacqua

message: Don't know if we can do this with the current declared candidates but future blurbs for declarees should include a mention of key supporters/organizers (eg Eddie Goldenberg, John Rae, George Smitherman and Greg Sorbara for Bob Rae; Senator Terry Mercer for Gerard Kennedy; Senator David Smith for Michael Ignatieff etc. Homey 15:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prep 

message: I know the source is weak, but for those of you who can read french, please read : [www.lactualite.com/vastel].  I think we could add it to the potential list. - Ogryx 20:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, if the person has demonstrated no interest whatsoever, than it's not worthwhile - we don't put John Manley in, even though we link to the Toronto Star article saying he's facing "pressure" to join the race after all. -Joshuapaquin 21:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Oy, OK, I didn't know there was a prior discussion.  Well, consistency, then... -21:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Justin Trudeau?

message: I'm not sure how rigid your criteria for declaring someone "not running" is, but Marlene Jennings appears to be supporting Stephane Dion , which would lead to the conclusion that she herself is not running.  I'll leave it up to one of the regular editors of this page to remove her, as you please.  --Hamiltonian 00:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good enough for me.  Nicely caught. The Tom 01:05, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Marlene Jennings

message: In the timeline on April 8th it talks about a bunch of the candidates attending the Alberta Liberal Party convention. But there is no mention of the significance of this event. How does it affect the federal party's leadership race? Qutezuce 09:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a "leadership panel" which has been portrayed by the media and most candidates as the first debate of the campaign. - Jord 14:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alberta Liberal Party convention

message: Why are we listing Bevilacqua as a declared candidate, when he is not?  CJCurrie 22:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was added on this edit  by Pellaken.  No note on the edit but Pellaken seems to have a talk page if you're interested.  --JGGardiner 22:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

text: If that is the case then Kennedy should be moved too - Kennedy said at a press conference announcing his resignation that he was going to run but has not formally announced and even says so in his speeches, Bevilacqua said the same on Newman; the two of them belong in the same category. - Jord 23:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

text: That's right JGGardiner, regardless of what the media is reporting both Bevilacqua and Kennedy have made essentially the same statements in terms of whether or not they are running. - Jord 23:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if they have both informally declared, I would include them both.  --JGGardiner 07:21, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

text: His appearence on the April 6 edition of Politics with Don Newman for which, unfortunately, there is not a transcript. - Jord 01:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maurizio Bevilacqua

message: Should we include senators there as well?  They are members of the caucus. - Jord 14:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say yes, especially because senators often hold major organizational responsibilities within leadership campaigns - consider Smith, Mercer. -Joshuapaquin 01:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't see why not.  CJCurrie 01:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been working on a caucus (house and senate) support list mostly for my own amusement on my user page.  Feel free to pilfer, etc.  --Hamiltonian 01:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Why should candidates names be included in support of themselves? I think it is more mis-leading than accurate! SFrank85 02:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just for technical accuracy.  We shouldn't say that Hedy Fry (for instance) has no supporters in caucus when she herself is a member of caucus.  CJCurrie 03:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: But it should already be a given that she will support herself. SFrank85 14:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say it was perfect.  CJCurrie 23:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caucus support listing 

message: I'm asking that everyone involved with this article add all the leadership candidates to their watch lists and look out for smears, POV editing or attempts to puff up the candidate. I've just removed what seems to be a clear smear in the Maurizio Bevilacqua article, for instance. Homey 02:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's going to be a long eight months... -Joshuapaquin 05:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Watchlists

message: What happened to David Orchard on the "potential candidates" list? I see no indication he has formally stated he is *not* running?
--I was just wondering the same thing.
I'm no wiki-code expert, but I think it has something to do with the fact that the picture was coded as part of a "gallery" and the picture was subsequently later "commented out" (hidden) because it's not properly licenced.  Because it's part of a gallery, if the picture goes so does the whole thing.  Alternately, maybe not.  --Hamiltonian 01:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Orchard 

message: Should Godfrey be listed as "withdrawn"?  I've been wondering about this for a while.  Though he annouced he was running and began to campaign a bit, he was never formally a candidate, never registered with the party and dropped out pretty early.  One could argue than anyone who went to the first "debate" in Edmonton was almost as much in the race as Godfrey was but at least three (Dhalla, Fontana, Zed) are not running.  In my mind, Godfrey should be moved to the list of people who decided not to run and we only add people to a "withdrawn" column if they actually get into the race formally and then quick later on (eg. John Manley in 2003, Mitchell Sharp in 1968). - Jord 15:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually agree, but could never be bothered to raise the point myself.  He only informally announced that he was planning on formally announcing, which he never did.  He did have some sort of organization, but it certainly never even got to the level of formality as even Hedy Fry.  Will we have to list Ashley MacIsaac as withdrawn when he inevitably doesn't run?  --Hamiltonian 15:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I did say Godfrey should be moved to the list of people who decided not to run ;) - Jord 23:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godfrey 

message: What's the story with his candidacy?  Our source on that is quite old.  It actually precedes the election/Martin's resignation and was therefore pretty speculative (although it did interview his advisor).  Anything more recent?
McTeague endorsed Kennedy.
:Does anyone have a cite on Sens. Watt and Campbell and for McTeague supporting Kennedy?  --Hamiltonian 12:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: McTeague

message: The infobox says that there are 6 registered candidates, but only 5 official candidates.  I don't understand the distinction and doubt the average reader would.  Can we provide a better explanation in the infobox?  HistoryBA 18:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I see.  Never mind.  --JGGardiner 18:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Now I'm wondering what the difference is between "declared" and "announced".  HistoryBA 19:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the distinction is that one "declares" behind a podium and in front of a large banner and perhaps an ethnically diverse group of supporters.  Before that one is merely announced.  --JGGardiner 19:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks; that makes sense.  Will the average reader understand that distinction merely from reading the infobox?  HistoryBA 15:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Good idea. -Joshuapaquin 00:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If we moved them, I'd move them up with the unregistered candidates.  That's what they are.  The only difference is that they don't have the means to pay so quickly (or perhaps at all).  In fact, I think that it is somewhat POV of us because we're basically dividing the ones that we find credible, from the ones that we don't.  --JGGardiner 18:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official vs. registered 

message: I'm wondering if it's necessary to keep the "potential candidates" list up anymore. Given that the leadership debate is on the tenth of this month, I think anyone who's going to declare has already done so. If Orchard, Payette, McGuinty, Wilson or McTeague were going to run, they'd probably already be running. unsigned
I've reduced the amount of space given to potential candidates by reformatting the list in the manner of "unofficial candidates" and people "not running". Have added dates for when their interest was reported so that readers can judge how "stale" the names are. Is this acceptable to people?Homey 18:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Candidates 

message: We should probably mention the Volpe scandal in the chronology (as we've mentioned the Brison affair earlier).Homey 16:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volpe affair 

message: He was added to the Shadow Cabinet on May 30 when all leadership candidates were removed.  Can we take that to mean that he will not be a candidate? - Jord 20:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blair Wilson 

message: does this section still serve a purpose? i understand how it was interesting when it was still unclear as to who the candidates would be, but now it seems unnecessary and a bit crufty. i would be in favour of scrapping it Geedubber 17:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be in favour of reducing it to just the "big name possibles" like McKenna or Manley, not people like Louise Arbour.  --Hamiltonian 17:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: well there is a lot of overlapping info if you compare the list to the timeline. so if we killed the list the big name possibles would still be included. Geedubber 08:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indicated they will not run for leadership 

message: Did Joe Comuzzi pull out of the Volpe campaign? I seem to remember him originally listed as a supporter.The Invisible Man 19:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that there should be a Citation as proof that someone has pulled their endorsement. Pete Peters 00:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joe Comuzzi? 

message: Maurizio Bevilacqua is out of the running and is backing Rae. Geedubber 13:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maurizio Bevilacqua quit

message: Anyone know which Candidates can speak French and which can't?--Sima Yi 22:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a Globe and Mail article about this a few weeks ago. It reviewed all the candidates and gave them grades on their billingualism. Let me see if I can find it. 72.139.185.19 18:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be careful.  If I recall correctly, the Globe had to make several corrections to the article after the fact; it may not be reliable. -Joshuapaquin 20:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Just a thought: the article relies on the G&M study much too much, in my opinion. By the way, I (half-seriously) can't believe Ken Dryden cannot speak French, considering he played in Montréal for years! :-) theProject 04:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candidates' ability to speak French 

message: Whatever happened to his candidacy??--Sonjaaa 20:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know at some point he announced that he wasn't running, not that he was ever realistically going to.  --Hamiltonian 23:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: He withdrew in June without ever actually having formally filed his nomination papers. I've readded a note in the timeline; as much as his campaign looked and felt like a publicity stunt, it got more than enough media attention to be worth at least mentioning in the article. Bearcat 07:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ashley MacIsaac

message: I suggest removing this section (under the Analysis heading) and the table in it. It seems to be just repeating information found in other parts of the article. There's no point in having to update the same information twice all the time, not to mention the odd combination of two unrelated statistics. KeL 05:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Caucus supporters and bilingual proficiency

message: Both Sarah Ewart and CJCurrie have been involved in many edit wars at Michael Ignatieff where they delete edits which may reveal history about Ignatieff which is not currently palatable and they also promote edits which make him look like a god. It is HIGHLY improper for either of them to be protecting this article. Ottawaman 15:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they haven't. They've been dealing with your repeated POV edits which border on vandalism. I'd say more, but that would just be feeding the trolls. Anyone doubtful need only look at your edit history. -- Gaius Octavius | Talk 16:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No; I encourage editors to check themselves and you will see how involved Sarah was in August and CJCurrie continually in the Ignatieff article. It is wrong for them to be protecting this article; if it needs protection why do they not find an objective administrator to do it? Ottawaman 23:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm going to have to side with Ottawaman concerning the Ignatieff article; there's a clear case of whitewashing going on there that should be addressed.  However, in THIS article (which is, you know, what this page is supposed to be about) there's obvious vandalism happening (e.g. "neocon American wannabe") which warrants the protection. Hiddekel 21:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection and pov pushing 

message: It would be good if someone could do something to replace the images of Bob Rae and Ken Dryden. Gehockteh leber 00:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted images 

message: What is the source for Celine Hervieux-Payette not being a candidate? Has she endorsed anyone? -- Hieronymus Bosch
She endorsed Stéphane Dion on 2 November 2006. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.246.105 (talk) 03:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Céline Hervieux-Payette 

message: If so, leave me a message ASAP on my talk page. I'm looking to get someone into the convention with a camera. You'll have the opportunity to photograph the candidates, hopefully one-on-one. (I think I can pull a few strings with some of the key players.)  --  Zanimum 20:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are you a Montrealer? Or going to the convention otherwise? 

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thread_title: Results Viewer

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