Talk:The Nine Tailors

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message: This is my first attempt at expanding a novel stub into a full article as per the WikiProject: Novels guidelines.  I'm working on themes, allusions, litcrit etc.  If I've got the length or balance of the article wrong so far, I'll be glad of feedback from those more familiar with applying the project's guidelines in practice.--Karenjc 18:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The criticism section could be greatly expanded, in my view. Rather than just presenting two quotes, there could be some analysis (with sources) of the opinions expressed. Is the quoted writer correct in saying that the noise of the bells could not actually cause death? Are there mistakes and inconsistencies with regard to the change-ringing in the novel, and if so could someone explain what they are? Not me, sadly, as I know nothing of these matters, but I'd love to read what other people have to say. 91.107.139.89 00:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expanding the stub

message: I note Edward321's cleanup, but I feel that a novel famous for its bell references needs a little explanation about the title.  Rather than simply reverting I offer the following for discussion:
:Explanation of the title
:In some parishes in England the centuries old tradition of announcing a death on a church bell is upheld.  In a small village most people would be aware of who was ill, and so broadcasting the age and sex of the deceased would identify them.  To this end the death was announced by telling the sex and then striking off the years.  Three blows meant a child, twice three a woman and thrice three a man.  After a pause the years were counted out at approximately half minute intervals.  The word "teller" in some dialects becomes "tailor, hence the old saying "Nine tailors maketh a man".
:The bell used in the novel for the announcement is the largest (tenor) bell which is dedicated to St. Paul.  Hence "teller Paul" or in dialect "tailor Paul".  Sayers is here acknowledging the assistance of Paul Taylor of Taylor's bell foundry in Loughborough, England who provided detailed information on all aspects of ringing to her.
The Keating quote is a little suspect:
Quite apart from the perjorative tag "esoteric", it would be normal for a substitute to be used if a ringer was unable to start the peal.  At the risk of WP:OR, I have witnessed this myself: mobile pohones and a frantic guess as to who was close enough and capable enough to save a quarter peal. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There having been no comments on the above for a fortnight, I have moved it into the main article.  Any thoughts on the Keating quote? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the point is not that Wimsey was a sub for an indisposed ringer but that during the course of the peal someone (the rector? - it's a long time since I read it) occasionally swaps with one of the ringers to let them have a rest/drink/comfort break. David Underdown (talk) 15:40, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean, I read Keating as objecting to Wimsey being a part at all.  I shall dig out my copy and scim through it to refresh my memory, and consult with my local tower captain.Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:48, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

text: I can confirm that during the triple peal of Kent Treble Bob Major in chapter 2 the rector does relieve each ringer in turn during the nine hours.  Personally I find the 45 minutes of a quarter peal taxing enough, nine hours of non-stop standing and ringing would put me in hospital or the morgue!  I'll talk to the tower captain this weekend. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:07, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of the Novel's title 

message: .. across his face from ears and nose. That had Lord Peter at the end of the novel. The corpse should have had the same, but didn't. A small mistake in the conception of "The Nine Tailors". --Stephanie Do (talk) 13:41, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
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