Talk:Christian Council of Britain

message: Do not link to this from the article.  Both myself and another user have found that Kaspersky software identifies this as a phishing website. John.D.Ward (talk) 18:27, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: CCoB official website

message: The CCOB is certainly not founded either upon the emotion of hate or the activity of treating people in an inferior way because of their race or nation.  However, in the CCOB we do recognise the existence of one proto-race which has, under God's providence, become differentiated into several races; and then into many nations or more close-net descent groups.  This is the evidence of history and is acknowledged as such in the history recorded in the Holy Bible.  People who pardody the position of the Bible or that of the CCOB in somewhat emotive terms need to realise that the CCOB is against racial or national misbehaviour.  As it says in its minutes of formation:  all nations will find their peace only in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace. The 'mainstream' Churches have departed from the teaching of the Holy Bible in many areas and that is perhaps why so few folks now attend them.  This is to be very deeply regretted and we, in the CCOB, will do all that we can to help remaining churches recover their trust and confidence in the Holy Bible as the Word of God committed wholly unto writing.  We would welcome everyone's contribution to this debate.God has made Man in his own image. This mean people of all races have been created by God and are equal under him. Everyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour will be accepted into heaven regardless of race or nation. There is only one race according to God; not a white race, not a black race, not an asian race, but only the race of Adam and Eve. One race living in one home that is Earth which God has made. It does not matter if a Russian, Pole, African or South American immigrates elsewhere in a foreign country as long as they abide by the laws of the land and coexist with the natives peacefully. The impression I am given is that the CCOB encourages people to remain or move back to the country of their 'origin', and this includes those who are 5th generation Britons and forbids mixed race relationships. Now how does this promote equality of God's people? --82.41.43.209 (talk) 01:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the talk page guidelines above.  This page should be about changes to the contents of an encyclopedia, not a debate on the Bible.JRPG (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I propose merging Robert West (politician) with Christian Council of Britain as has already been suggested by Andycjp.  West doesn't appear notable except in the context of the CCB and this article now contains a summary of his political achievements.
Please discuss  JRPG (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support that, or alternately merging the other way (Christian Council of Britain into Robert West). Either way, we don't need two articles with very similar content. Robofish (talk) 18:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks Andycjp and Robofish.   I've put a redirect at Robert West (politician) which should suffice in the absence of any sources other than BNP related about him.  JRPG (talk) 11:37, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:   Merger proposal 

message: I note this article is being edited by User:RevRMBWest.  These edits appears to be a conflict of interest and includes items not in the reference cited.
There is no reference I can see to the number of members being nearly 50 or to West actually being ordained.
I've therefore removed these edits, reverting to the edit by User:RjwilmsiBot.  JRPG (talk) 19:46, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a regular volunteer at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. Though the request for dispute resolution made there has been closed for lack of discussion here at this talk page, I thought that it might be of some assistance if I offered a word or two here from a neutral party. First, please bear in mind that while editing by a person with a conflict of interest (and I'm not saying that this person does or does not have one, just saying "if") is not prohibited by Wikipedia. It's strongly discouraged, but not forbidden. Second, on the other hand, Wikipedia's rule on the use of titles can be found here in the Manual of Style and clearly states that the use of titles such as "Rev" are not allowed, though the person's status may, if properly relevant and of sufficient weight be discussed in the article. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 16:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for your time TransporterMan (TALK).  I'm sure the other party will read the talk page -in which case the issue will be resolved. JRPG (talk) 19:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

text: re the recent protection, I haven't used the talk page because a) it seems entirely obvious that every involved editor except West himself agrees it's not "Reverend" and b) West has never responded on any talk page ever. Pinkbeast (talk) 11:08, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict of interest and uncited statements. 

message: The  blog in which someone claiming to be West claims West was ordained is NOT a reliable source. Even if it was, "the two years course crashed into 1" which it describes does not compare with the 3-5 year Bachelor of Theology which UK readers would expect.  It is therefore misleading.
A search of wp:Suggested sources shows
* BNP link to new campaign groups:The far right is looking beyond local elections to exert influence through churches and unions Guardian April 2006 -Robert West, the council's liaison officer
* Suspended councillor moves to BNP BBC May 2006 -Robert West. It says he has set up his own church, based in a house in Holbeach, to preach traditional bible beliefs.
* Tory councillor switches to BNP over Cameron list Guardian May 2006 The Rev Robert West
* Who would be part of the BNP? Telegraph Nov 2008 Reverend Robert West – the party's vicar.  
* Faith Diary: Vote Jesus BBC April 2009 Reverend Robert West, a clergyman with an independent church.
* Church debates BNP ban for clergy BBC February 2011 Robert West, the BNP's religious affairs spokesman
* Robert West: Electoral history and profile Guardian profiles 2013  Robert West.
In short, most describe him as Robert West.  We should follow what sources say.  If West disagrees, I would encourage him to contact the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. If it is altered again without any reason I will ask for Wikipedia:Dispute resolution JRPG (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a regular volunteer at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. Though the request for dispute resolution made there has been closed for lack of discussion here at this talk page, I thought that it might be of some assistance if I offered a word or two here from a neutral party. First, please bear in mind that while editing by a person with a conflict of interest (and I'm not saying that this person does or does not have one, just saying "if") is not prohibited by Wikipedia. It's strongly discouraged, but not forbidden. Second, on the other hand, Wikipedia's rule on the use of titles can be found here in the Manual of Style and clearly states that the use of titles such as "Rev" are not allowed, though the person's status may, if properly relevant and of sufficient weight be discussed in the article. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 16:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for your time TransporterMan (TALK).  I'm sure the other party will read the talk page -in which case the issue will be resolved. JRPG (talk) 19:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

text: re the recent protection, I haven't used the talk page because a) it seems entirely obvious that every involved editor except West himself agrees it's not "Reverend" and b) West has never responded on any talk page ever. Pinkbeast (talk) 11:08, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: West's [[Style (manner of address)|style]]

message: Thank you for your responses.  However, I am very pleased to report to you that the Apostolic Church have endorsed my ordination to the presbyteriate in a letter from one of their named apostles, The Rev Robert Penny of Glasgow, dated 4th June 2011, in which he adverts to me as '...an ordained Apostolic Pastor..." upon the authority of named members of the Church of long and good standing.  In addition, I have the certificate of theology from the Church signed by its President and the Principal of the Bible College.  Whilst I did my theology at Penygroes, South Wales, I also did my degree at the University of Wales, whilst pastoring one of their churhches.  If you can supply an address I can send you hard copies for referencing.  It is important to get things right.  With warm and sincere regards, Revd Robert West, Dip Th.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevRMBWest (talk • contribs) 12:18, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, I'm glad someone has responded to the talk page. Your comments imply that reference 5 is incorrect but other people would revert if I simply removed the reference without proving to everyone it was wrong.  wp:BIOSELF applies and I'll ask RonHJones, the administrator for advice. JRPG (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with JRPG - if we can show the you are ordained, then reference 5 can be removed and Rev. can stay - I can only suggest you e-mail to the OTRS team - send to "info@wikimedia.org" with an explanation of what you are sending and why - reference this page, so the team can add a note.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ordination and Diploma of Rev Robert West 

message: In order to remove this article from :Category:CS1 errors: dates and maintain MOS:DATEUNIFY, could someone please update the following references:
*Reference 5: change  to 
*Reference 7: change  to 
*Reference 8: change  to 
Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 13:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is  necessary? Can't it simply be omitted? --Redrose64 (talk) 14:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Omitting it is fine with me.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 14:41, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done --Redrose64 (talk) 14:56, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request - date formats