Talk:Comparison of web browsers/Page layout discussion

message: I know that the table used to be vertical and was changed because it was too wide, I would like everyone to seriously reconsider reverting it back to the horizontal orientation. Why? As anyone who has gone to school learns, the x axis is independent data, and the y axis dependent. The features depend on the browser, not the other way around. Besides, every single other comparison table has the im clients/os's/mediplayer along the top. Consistency is important, and this page looks weird in comparison to the other pages. Most importantly, as more features get added to the table, it will become necessary to scroll horizontally anyway. It's safe to say there are more features for web browsers, than there are browsers themselves. look at something like . That's what we should do. Besides, scrolling horizontally is less important than consistency and extensibility.
The following tables compare general and technical information for a number of Web browsers. Please see the individual products' articles for further information. The first table is of browsers with graphics capabilities.
Forgive me if this is out of line, but I've added below what I think the table should look like. It just barely fits at 1024 x 768, but even the current table doesn't fit at anything below that. Personally, I think we can remove the less-important browsers from the table and make it even narrower. I think a more indepth comparison of the top 10 browsers would be much more usefull than a very shallow comparison of 10 common browsers and 10 rare browsers.
Browser:                            	Internet Explorer              	Netscape                         	Mozilla                        	Firefox                        	Camino                         	Opera                          	Safari                         	OmniWeb                        	Konqueror                      	Galeon                         	Epiphany                       	Amaya                          	K-Meleon                       	Dillo
Creator                             	MicrosoftNCSA (Mosaic)         	NetscapeCommunicationsCorporation	MozillaFoundation              	MozillaFoundation              	MozillaFoundation              	Opera Software                 	Apple                          	Omni Group                     	KDE                            	GNOME                          	GNOME                          	W3C                            	?                              	?
First public release date           	August 1995                    	October 1994                     	December 1998                  	September 2002                 	February 2002                  	September 1996                 	June 2003                      	March 1995                     	October 2000                   	June 2000                      	Dec  2002                      	November 1996                  	?                              	?
  General                 	  General            	  General              	  General            	  General            	  General            	  General            	  General            	  General            	  General            	  General            	  General            	  General            	  General            	  General
Latest stable version               	6.0 SP2 (Win)5.2.3 (Mac)       	7.2                              	1.7.3                          	0.10.1(1.0PR)                  	0.8.1                          	7.54                           	1.2.3                          	5.0.1                          	3.3                            	1.3.18                         	1.4.4                          	8.5                            	?                              	?
Cost (USD)                          	Free ∫                         	Free                             	Free                           	Free                           	Free                           	Free with ads;$39 without      	Free ∫                         	$30                            	Free                           	Free                           	Free                           	Free                           	Free                           	Free
Free or Open License                	Proprietary                    	Partial                          	MPL                            	MPL                            	MPL                            	Proprietary                    	Proprietary+ GPL               	Proprietary+ GPL               	GPL                            	GPL                            	GPL                            	W3C                            	GPL                            	GPL
Layout engine                       	Trident (Win)Tasman (Mac)      	Gecko                            	Gecko                          	Gecko                          	Gecko                          	Presto                         	WebCore(Modified KHTML)        	WebCore(Modified KHTML)        	KHTML                          	Gecko                          	Gecko                          	Unnamed                        	Gecko                          	Unnamed
  Supported Platforms     	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms  	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms
Windows                             	Yes                            	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes                            	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	Yes                            	Yes                            	No
Mac OS X                            	Discont. 2004                  	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	No                             	No                             	Yes                            	No                             	No
Linux                               	No                             	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes                            	No                             	No                             	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes
BSD                                 	No                             	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes                            	No                             	No                             	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes
Unix                                	Discont. 2002                  	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes                            	No                             	No                             	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes
  Features                	  Features           	  Features             	  Features           	  Features           	  Features           	  Features           	  Features           	  Features           	  Features           	  Features           	  Features           	  Features           	  Features           	  Features
JavaScript                          	Yes                            	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes                            	Yes
Download manager                    	Yes                            	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?
Frames rendering                    	Yes                            	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes                            	No
PNG RGBA support                    	Mac only                       	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes                            	No                             	Yes                            	No
Tabbed browsing                     	No                             	Yes                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	Yes                            	No
Search Engine in Location Bar       	No                             	No                               	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	No                             	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?
Component Object Model Extensibility	Yes                            	No                               	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	No                             	No
Popup Blocking                      	Yes                            	?                                	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	Yes                            	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?
Ad Blocking                         	No                             	?                                	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	No                             	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?
Spellchecking                       	No                             	?                                	?                              	?                              	Yes                            	?                              	Yes                            	Yes                            	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?
Full Page Zoom                      	No                             	?                                	?                              	?                              	Partial(OS-Based)              	Yes                            	Partial(OS-Based)              	Partial(OS-Based)              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?                              	?
Browser:                            	Internet Explorer              	Netscape                         	Mozilla                        	Firefox                        	Camino                         	Opera                          	Safari                         	OmniWeb                        	Konqueror                      	Galeon                         	Epiphany                       	Amaya                          	K-Meleon                       	Dillo
The following table contains a comparison of browsers not capabable of displaying graphics.
Browser:                       	Lynx                           	Links
Creator                        	Montulli  Grobe  Rezac  et al. 	Patocka  et al.
First public release date      	July 1993                      	November 1999
  General            	  General            	  General
Latest stable version          	2.8.3                          	0.99
Cost (USD)                     	Free                           	Free
Free or Open License           	GPL                            	GPL
Layout engine                  	Unnamed                        	Unnamed
  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms	  Supported Platforms
Windows                        	Yes                            	Yes
Mac OS X                       	Yes                            	Yes
Linux                          	Yes                            	Yes
BSD                            	Yes                            	Yes
Unix                           	Yes                            	Yes
  Features           	  Features           	  Features
JavaScript                     	No                             	Partial
Download manager               	?                              	?
Frames rendering               	No                             	Yes
Tabbed browsing                	No                             	No
Browser:                       	Lynx                           	Links
So there, that's what I think we should do. If noone objects I change it in a while.--Ctachme 23:34, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, are there any browsers that should be struck? I know I've never seen some of those last few... maybe that's just me though. --Ctachme 02:39, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Ctachme|Ctachme]]'s proposition