Talk:Tribulus terrestris

message: Ok, maybe bogus is too strong, but objective it isnt. I dont know what those studies are and a quick search on groups.google.com reveals plenty, plenty of skeptics. 
Please, someone make this otherwise interesting wiki a little less biased.
I didn't write it, I was just editing/categorizing plant articles. But I'll take a look at it and see if I can verify some of the info. Sorry, some people are sloppy with that kind of stuff. --DanielCD 22:25, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See  and  for references.  —JerryFriedman 20:45, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: I'll do it, since I'm responsible for the present name (and there aren't many links), but are we sure Puncture Vine is the best common name?  That's what my Peterson guide calls it, but the OED says "caltrop", everyone here in New Mexico says "goatheads" (or toritos), and the name "yellow vine" seems to be common in Australia for this and maybe other species of Tribulus.  I didn't count all the names I came across in my Web searches, but there must have been about twenty.  —JerryFriedman 21:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: We'll see how bored I get. :-)  —JerryFriedman 22:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it to the sci name, so as to avoid the potential for disputes over which common name is best - MPF 01:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I've grown up around the stuff, and never heard it called puncture vine. It was always called goat head weed. But the Genus species should definitely be used. Flight Risk (talk) 21:28, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  bogus 

message: I found this article satisfactory, although I need to add my own personal experience. wheter or not it causes an increase in testosterone levels, it increases mental allertness. I never used any of its commercial product, but made a hot water extract to test it. Though not scientific, these lines may help reduce some confusion. Pubmed also concludes same as here. And by the way what is that GIYF jonatko?Wasiuddin 16:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Bogus 

message: * Find out whether it's native or introduced in Africa.
**GRIN lists it as native there (ref added on page) - MPF 01:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  to do 

message: If you read the actual studies listed in the ironman "reference" (that are relevant to humans) and the literature on www.pubmed.com, then there are no studies to suggest it is an ergogenic aid for weight trainers, nor does it increase testosterone; in fact quite the opposite. it may or may not have some effect for males who's HPGA has shutdown through use of anabolic steroids - havent looked into the evidence. Article is misleading in this respect. StrengthCoach 09:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  The article doesn't actually say that it helps weight trainers.  First reference I'm going to add when I get time is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15994038&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum , though.  —JerryFriedman 23:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks.  What's GIYF?  By the way, if you're going to accuse people of being lazy, you might do more than dump in a bunch of references without checking which are relevant.  —JerryFriedman 23:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  serious doubt 

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message: This plant causes Geeldikkop, the most important toxicological cause of sheep mortality in South Africa. Unfortunately, I'm not at varsity so I don't have access to materials needed to document this satisfactorally... A brief description is secondary photosensitivity after liver toxicity caused by processed steroidal saponins precipitating in the bile ducts. There have been outbreaks where millions of sheep have died. The plant is normally non-toxic and used as fodder  in the dry Karoo regions. It is only when new growth wilts that, for unknown reasons it becomes toxic. This article: Kellerman TS, TW Naude, N Fourie (1996). "The distribution, diagnoses and estimated economic impact of plant poisonings and mycotoxicosis in South Africa". Onderstepoort Journal of Veterinary Research 63: 65–90. has lots on it if you can track it down. 41.247.136.219 (talk) 13:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Omission 

message: "It is also claimed that Tribulus terrestris increases testosterone by increasing gonadotropin-releasing hormone with gonadotropic adaptogen compound contained in Tribulus terrestris (GnRH) which in turn stimulates the production of LH and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH)."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.180.226 (talk) 00:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  There might be a typo in the following sentence. Or at least should be made clearer. 

message: In the overview at the top of the page, the plant is said to be "native to warm and tropical regions" (of the Old World), while in the "Growth" section, it is said to be a "summer annual of colder climates".
gynaecomastia?? I would be more than very surprised if it really appeared once! Even with testosterone, a high amount should be taken to experienced gynaecomastia.This is just something used by fabricants to promote the efficacity of their products.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.36.50 (talk) 09:50, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wait, what was that? 

message: At the coast of southern Europe, this plant is known as "bike tyre killer". Should this be added to the article? Antonsusi (talk) 17:30, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already mentioned under one of the photos... A common name for the plant in Turkey is çobançökerten otu with the meaning of lets the shephard tumble and the burs are really a hazard to bare feet and bicycle tire and sticks under shoes ;) --katpatuka (talk) 12:04, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyres 

message: If you're serious about eradication, then never walk past one.  Stop and pull it right there.  ;Bear (talk) 05:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eradication 

message: It's basically impossible to edit anything these days without (Removed bad words) reverting your edit. Why do you people object to the addition of legitimate information just because it doesn't agree with your narrative? You do realise that studies in medical science often show contradictory results because of differences in the study population? One "reference" in this article is an n=7 study which makes it virtually useless as evidence, yet when I find a larger study with subtly different patients it gets memory-holed within seconds. I think some of you editors should probably get some proper postgraduate research training if you think you're capable of it. Polymath uk (talk) 15:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The source added by  in this reverted edit was a pilot experiment, as mentioned in its title, i.e., a preliminary study to assess whether a more complete trial should be conducted. A pilot study is the lowest quality of evidence in human research (at the level of case report), shown in WP:MEDASSESS. This PubMed listing shows there really are no quality reviews available on T. terrestris supplements, as the journals shown have poor impact factors or are on the WP:CITEWATCH list for low quality or predatory publishing practices. Wikipedia is not a journal or term paper where preliminary research is discussed for its pros and cons in the article; see WP:NOTJOURNAL #6-8. We are here to present facts represented in high-quality reviews, discussed in WP:MEDRS and WP:WHYMEDRS. I made this and other edits today to remove outdated and unreliable sources and content. Zefr (talk) 16:30, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia is a bit of a joke 

message: Much of section Eradication is written like a "how-to" manual -- imperative/subjunctive. This is deprecated: WP:NOTAMANUAL. It needs to be recast as descriptive -- current practices, effective techniques etc. -- D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 16:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style