Talk:Volkswagen Jetta

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Bill 15:29, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible copyright infringement

message: Could do with looking at the subject from a more VW like (European) point of view.
Should we include the critical/public response for the A5 Jetta, cause it hasn't been well receieved, for its exterior appearance at least. --LeoTheLion 1 July 2005 17:26 (UTC)
: Criticism of new vehicle models is often strong initially, especially among owner enthisiasts, but it usually dies out with time.  I think it's too early in the model cycle of the A5 to discuss aesthetic criticism.  Give it a year and there might be more objective commentary on the matter.  (Consider, for instance, Chris Bangle's designs at BMW.  The new 7-series was broadly criticized, but the new 5- and 3-series models, which take their design inspiration from the flagship 7-series, have been better received.  Even the 7-series got a recent design makeover.  Time and refinement tend to mitigate strong initial reactions.) --Maande10 01:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs a dose of sense of perspective

message: All of the pictures are of sedans except the A4 picture, which is a station wagon ("avant").  For comparison purposes, they should all be sedans.  If the wagon version of the Jetta, which hasn't existed for all the models (A4-only?), needs to be shown, it should be in addition to the sedan, not instead of it. --Maande10 01:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: This section was on the Borat page:
: The name Borat was also given to a silver Volkswagen Jetta, or Bora, that visited many VW Festivals around the UK. After an early festival, the letter "T" was added to the Bora on the rear of the car, and Borat was born in the automobile world.
:The car featured a VW Votex kit (OEM parts available through the dealership or resellers), which was, and still is, quite a rare kit to be seen in the UK, although it features more prominently in the USA – where the Bora has always been called the Jetta (in 2005, the Jetta name was readopted worldwide).
It doesn't have any place on the Borat article, and from what I can see it doesn't merit an article of its own, so could someone merge this into this article? I don't have enough knowledge on the subject to do it myself, so if this information is relevant, then I would be grateful if someone could write it into the main Jetta article. Thank you! --Doug (talk) 19:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anyone want to integrate this into the article?

message: Be gentle with me, as this is my first time on the talk page of an automobile.  But I think the Jetta's current shock-and-awe advertising campaign warrants a mention here.
If you haven't seen 'em, in each ad there are a few friends talking in the car, just about random stuff, when suddenly, SKREE WHAM!!!, they're involved in a rather devastating-looking car accident.  The commercials then skip ahead to just after the accident, as the friends are viewing the devastation, and one of them starts, "Holy..."
I don't know if I'm in the minority of people who've taken "whoa, holy crap!" notice out of that ad campaign, but if it's as successful as I imagine it probably should be, would information about that campaign be appropriate for inclusion here?  ekedolphin 03:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertising campaign

message: My pc is stuffing up it won't let wikipedia change hence some of Jetta stuff is lost it can be repaired I tried but PC won't let me sorry for inconvenience.--202.6.138.33 07:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Apologies for deleting parts A4 and A5

message: I think the Jetta moved up to the "compact executive car" class as of MK5, just as the Passat moved up to the "executive car" class. Confirm/deny?
This page is in a Complete mess.
Can someone try to re-arrange everything.
: Please sign your posts with 4 tildas ~~~~
I very much agree, the article needs major work. Perhaps you could offer some suggestions, mysterious user? Analoguekid 04:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call, I noticed that too. Wasn't sure if it was just a fluke.--Analogue Kid 22:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization

message: It has been suggested that MKIV Wolfsburg Edition be merged into this article.
I am opposed to such a merge. The reason is, people don't realize this but trim lines such as "GL" "Wolfsburg Edition" and others are very region specific. The only place you'll find them is in North America. I feel that it is nearly impossible to catalog every trim line in every market around the world so as to give fair weight. The Jetta page already has a globalize tag on it because it focuses way too much on the USA. I'm in the process of cleaning up the page and removing this region specific info, and a merge would just make things that much worse.
As for what to do with the MKIV page...I propose two options. One, it gets deleted because it's basically trivia and not very encyclopedic, so in a nutshell No indiscriminate information. Two, if people decide the page is worth keeping, it needs to be dramatically expanded in scope. Something like Volkswagen Special Editions or similar. The Wolfsburg Edition was certainly not limited to only the MkIV, in fact, every A platform car in the USA had such a trim at one point in its life cycle. Plus I'm quite sure there are special edition models in Europe and perhaps in other markets that may be worth mentioning on such a page.--Analogue Kid 17:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggested the merge after running across that page. I agree it should probably be deleted but I thought a merge suggestion might prompt someone to improve the article because it really doesn't stand alone very well right now. Stardust8212 20:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be merged, its extremely relivant information to the Jetta article, and doesnt really work as a stand-alone.Tory 22:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you extrapolate on why it is relevant? A single trim line on a single generation in a single country seems way too specific for an encyclopedia that must appeal to a global audience, not just the USA. I'm thinking information such as that is more suited for VWVortex or some such enthusiast site.--Analogue Kid 03:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: So seeing as Tory has neglected to respond to the inquiry in over a week and no further objections have come up I think I'll just redirect the page here. If there's anything useful in it to make a Volkswagon Special Editions page or whatever it can be recovered from the history. Stardust8212 23:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Merge

message: The article has undergone a huge improvement. It's well on it's way to becoming a good article. Some suggestions:
*Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions the units should be SI in the text and Imperial in brackets and consistent throughout the article
*Per WP:UNITS the units in text should be written out and the abbreviation used in brackets. e.g. "Luggage compartment volume is up to 453 Litres (16 ft3)."
*It would help to make subsections (with 3 equals-signs) to reduce the long blocks of text. For example for the Mark IV the could be a subsection "Safety"
This article is coming along really well and I don't think it will take too much work until it's a GA. James086Talk | Email 13:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some good suggestions, thanks!--Analogue Kid 14:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions

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message: I wish all auto-related articles were this good! Thanks to all who have contributed. --328cia (talk) 05:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it still needs some work here and there, but I appreciate the praise.--Analogue Kid (talk) 11:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: +++

message: Does anyone know what mileage the petrol versions are supposed to get?  Diesel is all that's on there now...  TastyCakes (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there are so many different engines, it becomes extremely tedious to list the fuel economy of every single engine and transmission combination. Since Wikipedia isn't meant to be a buyers guide, that information isn't really important. The reason the diesel is listed is because the figures are notable for being very efficient. If you just want information for your personal use, check out VCA or Fuel Economy--Analogue Kid (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Petrol version MPG

message: 4th Gen Jettas after 2002 had a VR6 engine with 24 Valves, not just 12 like pre-2003s.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.221.143.146 (talk) 16:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All the engines that were available are listed in the infobox to the right. The article would become very tedious and bogged down if we listed small year to year changes. The VW engines page already has those details for the more technically inclined.--Analogue Kid (talk) 18:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Maybe add this?

message: " Like initial production of the second generation in China, the Asian and African plants build the car from a complete knock down (CKD) kit shipped from the factory in Puebla. "
The original source from Autoweek read like this: "
The Puebla plant began producing the new Jetta in 2005. "This is our volume car for the United States and the volume car for Puebla," Lindner said. "We are producing 1,000 Jettas per day for all markets except for China and South Africa.
"In China and South Africa, we deliver the parts, and they assemble the cars themselves."
From what I can read from it is: it doesn't specifically say whether it ships CKD to China and S. Africa or not. Is there any other source? North wiki (talk) 21:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Definitely not CKD produced in China. Locally produced with very high local content. The Jetta was VW's second car in China, after the Santana. Used to be the top selling car in China for many years - now it's fading. -- BsBsBs (talk) 06:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assembled in China 

message: Folks, as much as we appreciate detail, this article (and some others in the series) are getting seriously obese. The Volkswagen catalogs I was in charge of ages ago had less detail. Interesting information drowns in a mass of senseless trivia.
*Do we really need the "Testing and review" sections?
*Do we really need every detail of a GLI trim level (that sounds like it was cribbed straight from a catalog)?
*Do we really need to re-hash every gripe from VW-Vortex? WP:RS
*Do we really need to repeat tired prose about styling that escaped from a press release?
Here is a personal anecdote, unsourced, but possibly worth looking into: At its introduction, the car was thoroughly hated in Wolfsburg. They derided it as "Rucksack-Golf" (backpacker Golf). Its success (especially in the U.S.A., but also elsewhere) spared it from certain death. The many names the car had are testament to its identity crisis. For decades, it was considered as heresy, deviance from the true Golf belief. -- BsBsBs (talk) 06:46, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Article bloat and VW-fandom seem to go hand in hand in the English-speaking world. I agree with your points and would love to go at this article with some hedgecutters, but I think it may prove a long battle. Nonetheless, you have my support for trimming. Starting with eliminating just about everything about the "2004.5 GLI" and compressing the (useful but large) data tables would work. As another example, listing all 27 engine options for the A2 Jetta in its infobox makes it essentially illegible, these would be better if replaced by a span (eg: 1.3-1.8 litre petrol fours, 1.6 litre diesels and turbodiesels) since they are already represented in a table in the text. ⊂Mr.choppers⊃  (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good suggestion. As I have barely taught myself how to create tables, could I enlist your help with the spans? Very good idea. These lists remind me of the trim level and option sheets even trained sales people could not decipher. Editors: Comments, please, before the hedgecutters come out. -- BsBsBs (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article bloat 

message: >> The Jetta nameplate is a reference to the Atlantic 'jet stream', reflecting the period in Volkswagen's history when it named its vehicles after prominent winds. These also included the Volkswagen Passat (after the German word for trade wind), Volkswagen Bora (after bora), and Volkswagen Scirocco (after sirocco). <<
:It's not a wind - but the name 'Golf' originaly does not come from the sport, but the gulf-stream (german: Golf-Strom). But I think Volkswagen (the marketing) played with both variants - as you can see with the names 'golf' and 'caddy' (pick-up based on the golf) - at least a nice marketing-idea 217.92.61.80 (talk) 10:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the Golf 

message: The six generation is said to be assembled in Jakarta, Indonesia by Garuda Matraman Motor. Checked VW Indonesia and VW Malaysia web site (in English) and can't find VW Jetta in the lineup, so, is there any reliable source that supports such car is assembled locally? --North wiki (talk) 16:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  6th generation (NCS) 

message: While the Spanish for "classic" is indeed "clásico", the article gives the name of the 4th generation still sold in Mexico both with and without the accent on the "a". I checked, and apparently, the model name is "Clasico" without the accent, according to VW Mexico's website for the car. --81.164.160.148 (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clásico or Clasico 

message: Section on use of alternative fuels includes a paragraph about success using WVO, "misconceptions about WVO" and references that only one car has had failure.  I suggest that this paragraph is removed altogether and replaced with a short "Some owners have converted their diesel Volkswagens to run Vegetable Fuel Oil (link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil_fuel)."  Running WVO in diesel models is dangerous if not done properly & has caused many engine failures - this discussion is best left for the WVO page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.178.234 (talk) 20:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alt. Fuel Page Too Prophetic of Biodeisel/WVO Use & Off Topic 

message: The sections have been modified where referencing the term 'saloon' have the additional term 'sedan' added to them, as over 350 Million US and CA speakers of "The Queens' English" have been educated to the term of a sedan for a vehicle(4 door)or coupe (2 door) and a saloon is where you go to have an alcoholic beverage. The idea for a hatchback threw the count of 'doors'into the uneven numbers as 3 door or 5 door.
Richard416282 (talk) 22:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saloon = UK / Sedan = US-Canada 

message: The organization of this page is quite scattered, but if the layout was improved it would be more user friendly. If you go to the Volkswagen Passat, Golf, and Polo pages each generation has a heading, a picture, and a brief description of that generation. It also contains a link to a page where that particular generation has its own page. When implemented, this will be highly beneficial in the organization of the page. 
     Also, in reference to the talk on article bloat, some of the sections are length but deleting valid information is not the answer. This would greatly help the A4 and A5 sections as they are "bloated". If the main article is streamlined as listed above then not only will it be more user friendly, each individual generation article will be free to be more descriptive or "bloat-y". This method has worked for the Passat, Polo, and Golf nicely and when implemented will work well in this article.
50.49.125.125 (talk) 01:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better Layout/Organization Idea 

message: With the different generations of Volkswagen Golf and Volkswagen Passat having been split off, I see no reason why we can't do the same here. I'd like a show of hands saying whether they support or oppose the split and for each editor to explain.--Kevjgav (talk) 18:00, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this needs to be done, with seven generations now the article length is getting out of hand. --Vossanova o< 14:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

text: The only question at this point would be, how should the split articles be named - "Mk #" like the Golf, "(A#)" like the Passat (B#), or "#th generation" like most other cars? Consistency is good but I would lean toward the last one because most of the generation sections start that way.  --Vossanova o< 15:51, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  @Vossanova I agree about "#the generation" - like you said, most of the generation sections start out that way, so I'd kinda go with that.--Kevjgav (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes on the split, full support. I think the titles should be Volkswagen Jetta (A#) (feels more Teutonic...) but I also do not want to hold things up; it's not that important. Best,  Mr.choppers | ✎  16:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A split seems like a reasonable thing to do. I agree with User:Mr.choppers, the titles should be VW Jetta A#. --Johannes Maximilian (talk) 16:26, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a sensible suggestion, especially with the confusion over the Chinese versions (and Marque) <B>Warren</B> (talk) 16:12, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that "Golf Mk#" and "Passat (B#)", I'd say that "Jetta (A#)" would be the best title for the articles--Kevjgav (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting 

message: In the engines section of the Jetta V I found the following table. I would not consider the given information useful, since there are just random numbers. What exactly does this table express? It seems like it compares fuel consumption, however, I can't tell how. --Jojhnjoy (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this table about? 

message: Hello, I just have noticed that the year of end production for the seventh generation is changing from 2017, 2018, and present. What information is true and we need and a citation to confirm if the Volkswagen Jetta is still in production or discontinuing. To prevent from vandalism, we should let this article by semi-protected. 
  
MTSRider18 (talk) 04:29, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. JTP (talk • contribs) 04:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year changes in seventh generation MK.7