Talk:Walther von der Vogelweide

message: I reverted the page to what seemed to be the last serious edit, as the latest version seemd a bit malformed, suggesting vandalism.  Serious edits can be reinserted by viewing the history, in case I am wildly mistaken (which has been known to happen; don't take it personally). - CobaltBlueTony 17:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible vandalism 

message: Please check the official website of the municipality of Lajen (in Italy)  (in German) or  (in Italian, sorry no English version available): there is some evidence that that might be Vogelweide's birthplace. I think it would at least deserve to be mentioned...
--Andylong 19:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: I know "in popular culture" sections are reviled, but should it be mentioned that Walther was chosen as a character in Tannhäuser (opera) and the inspiration for another Wagnerian Walther in Mastersingers? (Anyone know if Walther was in Wagner's source for the song contest E. T. A. Hoffman's story The Singer's Contest?)--Peter cohen 16:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Richard Wagner got inspired by the younger documents about "Meistersingers" of the 15th century. These 15th century "Meistersinger" had been inspired by von der Vogelweide, von Hagenau, von Eschenbach and others representing the golden age of medivial art in central Europe. --84.59.207.164 (talk) 18:37, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wagner? 

message: Pfold, you reverted an edit I made stating that the Palästinalied is the only one of Walther's songs for which a melody has survived; your objection was that "The Palästinalied *isn't* the only surviving melody." The article Palästinalied, however, directly states: "Palästinalied (Palestine Song) is a poem written in the early 13th century by Walther von der Vogelweide, the most celebrated German medieval lyric poet. The poem is written in Middle High German. It is the only song by Walter for which a melody has survived." Is this statement false? If so, which other songs by Walther has a melody survived for? --Katolophyromai (talk) 01:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I did check this before reverting. According to the Lachmann/Cormeau/Bein edition there are also melodies for the Ottenton and the Wiener Hofton and there are partial melodies for a couple of others. I'll try and do a section on the melodies in a couple of weeks when I get back from holiday. Anyway, the Palästinalied needs correcting. Thanks for your continued vigilance! --Pfold (talk) 09:15, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for your response. I can see that you are clearly much more of an expert on this subject than I am and I am truly grateful for all your hard work. This article has been in desperate need of attention from an expert for years now and I can see that you are clearly qualified. Just make sure and cite all the information; even if the information is just basic facts, it still needs a citation because it still needs to be verifiable. --Katolophyromai (talk) 14:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

text: The most easily accessible account from the acknowledged expert is at  - search for "zu den Melodien Walthers" --Pfold (talk) 19:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other melodies aside from the ''Palästinalied'' 

message: the article currently states "He was active in urging the German princes to take part in the crusade of 1228, and may have accompanied the crusading army at least as far as his native Tirol", apparently without a source. Alexander Sager's Crusade in the Bedroom, published in Zeitschrift Für Deutsches Altertum Und Deutsche Literatur vol. 147 no. 2, seems to make the opposite claim -- but I'm not totally familiar with the historical context he's describing here, nor can I read the old German he quotes, so I figured I'd just drop the relevant passage here so someone else can figure out whether wiki's just wrong, Sager's just wrong, or the current article and Sager are talking about subtly different things.
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The effects of Innocent’s crusade measures caused an especial stir in literate courtly German circles in that year, with a highly propagandistic outcome. As is well known, several of Walther von der Vogelweide’s political poems (ʻSpruchlieder’) were targeted at another directive announced in ʻQuia maior’, the setting up of a “concave trunk” (truncus concavus; Walther termed this a stoc) in churches throughout Germany to collect donations from the laity in order to finance the crusade. Walther saw this measure as part of a cynical campaign to drain money from Germany and weaken the German emperor politically. His poetic intervention had a wide resonance and possibly even a significant real-world impact. Thomasin von Zerklaere, in his bitter critique of the minnesinger, accuses him of damaging the crusade recruitment effort:
ich waen daz alles sîn gesanc,
beide kurz unde lanc,
sî got niht sô wol gevallen,
sô im daz ein muoz missevallen,
wan er hât tûsent man betoeret,
daz si habent überhoeret
gotes und des bâbstes gebôt
"""  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.178.5.141 (talk) 16:42, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crusade Involvement and Views?