Talk:SS Eastland

message: I heard that the Eastland sank because it had too many lifeboats.  It had too many lifeboats because of a reactionary measure after the sinking of the Titanic.  Is this true or an urban legend?  - Masmith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masmith (talk • contribs) 20:29, 24 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly true.  The Eastland was carrying more lifeboats because of laws passed after the Titanic sank.  The lifeboats were positioned in such a way that they caused the boat to be overbalanced, which contributed to its sinking. Shsilver 16:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Also they overpacked the ship with passengers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.250.148 (talk) 19:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Clearly the sinking was in the Chicago River, so I added this to "Category:Shipwrecks in rivers", but it's also widely considered a Great Lakes disaster, so it seems appropriate to leave both even if the sinking was not actually within Lake Michigan. --Dhartung | Talk 06:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  River vs. Lake 

message: If it was right next to shore why did so many die? My guess is a lot of people couldn't swim back then. Anyone know? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.20 (talk) 04:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I heard that there was live music below the deck so people were ther listening to the music and when the boat capsized they drowned because water went under the deck and the people could not get above the deck. I also think furniture smashed and killed people and the boat had too many people so the extra people that wern't supposed to be on the boat died.
People wore more underclothes back then as well, especially the women.  The clothes got water logged and made people sink.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.33.234 (talk) 17:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why did so many die?

message: *Nearly 20 years after the Eastland sank-a Judge only allowed survivors the amount of damages from the estimated value of the ships worth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.195 (talk) 12:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for finding this problem and making sure that it is properly evaluated. :) Fortunately, it seems that Wikipedia is in the clear in this instance; the content was here prior to its publication there (see box above for details). --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Aftermath

message: I added a link to Carl Sandburg's 1915 article on the disaster, along with a brief quotation.  The article includes three photographs.  That's all public domain.  His poem on the disaster was not published until 1993, so it's copyrighted. Choor monster (talk) 19:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I only got partway there. I like your change! Sepreece (talk) 22:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to make it 100% clear.  As it is, I don't like the way the infoboxes on the right and the photos on the left crowd the article.  I don't know if more photos are warranted—the three from the ISR are strong stuff.  If the extra photographs are to be included, options would be spin-off the section into its own article, with just a one-paragraph summary here, or to include a photo gallery at the end for all photographs except the infobox. Choor monster (talk) 23:18, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Another option would be to get the infoboxes to pile up to the right, in two or three columns say. Those who really want to read them would have to use a slidebar. Choor monster (talk) 15:29, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carl Sandburg article 

message: Found at an estate sale, published in 1915:
		
		
Hopefully these will prove useful to the article. K8 fan (talk) 07:52, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uploaded a set of Eastland Postcards to Commons 

message: On October 27, 2014, Smithsonian.com published [an article] about the Eastland disaster. Squideshi (talk) 21:39, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smithsonian.com Article 

message: "The ship was top-heavy along with the center of gravity being too high."  Seems a trifle redundant, don't ya think?  ;)  JetMec (talk) 15:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Problems 

message: The section starting: "Stephanie Riley argues in her Master’s of Arts thesis" seems to be the very definition of original research. Should it be here? Bgovern (talk) 05:04, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research? 

message: From the "early problems" section: "a case of overcrowding caused the Eastland to list with water flowing up one of the ship's gangplanks." This should either be explained better or deleted. Maproom (talk) 07:14, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Water flows up? 

message: This article is absolutely PACKED with errors in punctuation, mostly in the form of grossly excessive comma usage. Someone who actually understands the rules of comma usage, rather than someone who merely thinks they know, needs to edit this article. No, I am not going to do it. I learned long ago not to engage with amateurs and novices on Wikipedia. DesertSkies120 (talk) 06:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've copyedited the punctuation in this article. Hopefully it's an improvement. DesertPipeline (talk) 15:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs editing work 

message: How is this possible? "added additional weight and reduced her draft..." Was the hull modified in some way? GA-RT-22 (talk) 23:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded that section and added another citation with a quote that explains what was done. Some of the changes added weight, but the draft was reduced by shifting the ship's machinery around. This presumably shifted its center of mass further forward. Since the draft of Eastland was greater at the stern, shifting her weight forward could reduce her maximum draft to some extent even as her overall weight was increased. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 02:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can adding weight reduce draft?