Talk:The Pogues

message: "Shane McGowan recorded a song called Paddy Public Enemy Number One  as a tribute to the Republican leader Dominic McGlinchey, a former leader of the INLA killed a few years before."
In an article on the Shane MacGowan website, Shane himself states "It's about an IRA man, but no one in particular. It's just a story. I'm not expressing an opinion on the IRA," http://www.shanemacgowan.com/articles/mirror96.shtml  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.99.27 (talk) 00:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Haunted was originally recorded by the Pogues for the film "Sid and nancy", with cait O'Riordan on female vocals. It was recorded by Shane and Sinead O'Conner as "Shane MacGowan and Sinead O'Connor", not as "The Popes" (83.16.188.58 (talk) 14:50, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Me I prefer to use the Celtic punk genre here, but this is a nasty kettle of fish.  As can be seen on U2's talk page, ascribing nationalities to bands can get extremely gnarly. The Interior (Talk) 03:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

text: The repeated problem in the article and in the talk is that there seems to be a lack of awareness of the gnarliness of "british" et al. For the Irish diaspora (and probably many Irish as well, that is not for me to comment on), british and english are offensive (among other things!). I acknowledge the sincere intention, effort and scholarship of those who have posted and contributed to the discussion. There is simultaneously a clear tone of colonialist patriarchal attitudes embedded within. To be on the wrong side of cultural genocide and intergenerational trauma is a messy and violent thing, which is not clear to an outside observer. It's symptoms show in strange ways to those who do not know it. To have one's identity, history, sense of self and belonging, ripped away, personally and collectively, is indescribable. To be the children, and children's children of those people, you carry that suffering within you. When privileged white englishmen then tell (gaslight) you and the world that you have no right to who you are, it is a continuation of the original violence. It is not an english band. If the englishmen will not concede it, it ('or english') must come second, out of respect. 'London formed Anglo-Irish punk band' is most descriptive and correct as I see it (from a personal and critical/political/academic perspective). A side or later note to point out the attempt at further cultural colonisation by those desiring to claim ownership of The Pogues as english is worthy and important to mention. Punk Gem (talk) 06:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paddy Public Enemy Number One 

message: The Pogues were an English Celtic punk band with English band members and were also founded and created in London, England therefore meaning they are an English Celtic punk band. Although this on The Pogues Wikipedia page it does not say that they are an English Celtic punk band and only says that they (are a Celtic punk band from London,) with it also just saying London, not London, England even though London is in England and therefore it should say London, England not just London,. Owenfighter1000 (talk) 03:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This rambling, ungrammatical diatribe is not the least bit convincing. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 13:08, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "English Celtic Punk"...For starters "English" and "Celtic" simply don't go together (despite the large number of English folk with Celtic blood, such as myself lol) O_o And who the hell doesn't know that London is in England (Or Britain???) - and the first "issue" is in fact a non-issue - "Celtic Punk" is the genre. --Somchai Sun (talk) 18:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pogues were an English Celtic punk band 

message: I don't think the following statement about Rum, Sodomy & The Lash in the 'Band history' section is accurate:
'The album shows the band moving away from covers to original material.'
Red Roses For Me contains one cover version and five interpretations of traditional songs (a total of six non-original compositions). Rum, Sodomy contains three interpretations of traditional songs and two cover versions (a total of five non-original compositions). There are seven Shane McGowan compositions on Red Roses but only six on Rum, Sodomy (plus one by former manager Phil Gaston).
It could be said that the band started moving away from interpreting traditional songs (five on Roses; three on Rum), but not that they were moving away from cover versions (one on Roses; two on Rum) or original compositions (seven on each album).
I'd suggest just removing this sentence. goob (talk) 13:40, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Peteinterpol (talk) 13:47, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Moved away from covers' on Rum, Sodomy? 

message: Support split - Discography section is long and should be split to a new article entitled The Pogues discography. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pogues discography 

message: I have reverted the description of Costello as a 'new wave forefather' back to the more neutral 'producer'.  It is easy to provide supporting citations for him being a producer, that is beyond reasonable doubt.  Whether he was a new wave forefather is just a matter of opinion.  Not sure anyway how describing him in this way adds value to an article about the Pogues. Peteinterpol (talk) 06:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elvis Costello 

message: The Pogues controversially branded ENGLISH rather than Irish on Wikipedia--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Another article that reads 'Website states claim to Pogues’ nationality that will cause a lot of debate'  Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 06:09, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is in the news 

message: The current song sample is a cover of another band. It is hardly representative of the band. I have no audio skills here but would someone who does please consider "Fairytale of New York" or "If I Should Fall from Grace with God"? Ifnord (talk) 01:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different song sample?