Talk:John Gerich

message: It wasn't just PC MLA's convicted for fraud.  I believe there was also a Liberal member convicted for fraud, and don't forget the late Murray Koskie, a NDP MLA, convicted of fraud, also related to expense accounts.
Also a non-MLA was convicted as well (John Scraba), in the same series of prosecutions.
64.110.251.69 17:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: Rather than reverting back and forth, can we attempt a re-write?
Not being from Saskatchewan, I had to go through the references and do some research to understand the issue a bit. It seems clear to me that it was a big Conservative scandal because they had been in power at the time of the frauds (though defeated by the time of arrests) and nearly all were Tories. It is quite true, however, that Koskie was convicted of the same kind of offence as a result of the investigation. R v Koskie
The CBC story suggests that Project Fiddle was aimed at John Scraba and the MLAs who used his dummy companies for bogus expense claims.
In her book, Minding the Public Purse, Janice MacKinnon wrote that "Although only a few were directly involved in Project Fiddle, the RCMP uncovered other wrongdoing; for instance, the New Democrat MLA Murray Koskie was convicted of a separate fraud, and former cabinet minister Joan Duncan... The investigation also caught in its net those who might otherwise have been considered to have acted carelessly or used bad judgment; for instance Bob Andrew ... and Grant Hodgins..." see page 53 of Minding the Public Purse.
I'm going to attempt a rewrite on the article that just focuses this article on Gerich himself. If someone wants to write on the rest of the scandal, that could be a separate article for more details. DoubleBlue (Talk) 21:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this, and for finding a source that links Koskie to Operation Fiddle in any way, and which has been sorely missing thus far.  I must, however, say that the MacKinnon book states that Koskie was involved in a separate scandal (ie not Project Fiddle per se) which seems to concur with the sources which mention only Tories in connection to this particular scandal (as noted above). I am not from SK either, and I had never heard of this scandal, but I do maintain that the IP addresses were wrong to change sourced information to something that those sources did not contain.  Several requests were made for some sourced linkage between the cases the Koskie and Gerich cases to be found. You have finally found a link, more or less, for which I thank you.  I think the proposal to focus on Gerich is a good one, and there is lots of information in the articles from Factiva which can be used to expand the article and the information about him.Slp1 22:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd desperately like to see a seperate wiki article that chronicles the fraud investigations and prosecutions of the 1990s, including the convictions of the Tory and NDP MLA's in question.  Centralizing the information concerning the prosecutions, and then providing a link, IMHO, would be a much better idea than putting little bits and pieces.  Having the information on wikipedia would be very noteworthy as well, as political corruption is a very serious issue that must never be forgotten.  Its certainly no secret that Tories were disproportionately involved in frauds at the legislature, but fraud by non-tory members shouldn't be overlooked.
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