Talk:Jacobin (politics)

message: Jacobians during the french revolution were radical revolutionaries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.125.50.130 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 3 January 2005‎
:Well, no, they were Jacobins. I'm not sure who a "Jacobian" would be. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:00, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
The statement that those who ascribe to certain political beliefs "are referred to" as "Jacobins" in the United States, which links to the blog of a marginal political organization calling itself the American Jacobin Club, constitutes original research and is likely self-promotion. I also removed a subheading occurring later in the article that refers to the same organization, on the grounds that the organization's tiny membership and lack of external mention both undermine its notability.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.42.54 (talk) 09:19, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening comments

message: There is a good reason for two articles.  The Jacobin Club existed only during the French Revolution.  Jacobin as a political stance has been been adopted by others since. Hence I think a merge would be a mistakeDejvid 00:18, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Jacobin v Jacobin Club

message: Does this belong in the intro?
My recollection of this is that all the Jacobins did was to stop use of minority language for official purposes, like legal documents. If I'm wrong, please add details; if I'm right "stamp out" seems a little strong. 
Did they claim Breton was reactionary before or after the Vendee?
Septentrionalis 14:29, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi.  I have no idea about the relevance of it; I was really just copyediting and it was there when I got here. :)  If you are more well-informed than I, please feel free to move it along, otherwise I'll need to do some reading and then figure out how to improve the article.  Also see below.  Kaisershatner 01:02, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Minority languages

message: I was thinking that this page might be better entitled "Jacobin (politics)"  along the lines of "Chickenhawk (politics)" to make it clear about its use as a political epithet.  "Jacobin" could then point to a disambiguation page that also would link to Jacobin Club.  At least one of the politics articles I was reading that got me here (Neoconservatism in the United States) actually pointed at "Jacobin Club" accidentally.  Thoughts?  Kaisershatner 01:02, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was good intentioned, but have found myself in over my head and need help. I moved "Jacobin" to "Jacobin (disambiguation)", intending then to move "Jacobin (politics) to "Jacobin". I felt the (politics) article was the most notable of the disambiguated articles and the most like to be sought by a reader doing a search. Well I discovered a) I cannot do the second move because the name conflicts, and b) an old discussion on Talk:Jacobin (politics) had resulted in exactly the opposite renaming. (That is, I was inadvertently undoing the agree-to work of others.) Can I now have an administrator help me put things right? Jacobin (politics) should be left as it is; my "Jacobin (disambiguation)" should be move back to "Jacobin". Make sense? I do apologize. 
I have repeated the comment here, so that interested editors will be sure to see it. Hult041956 23:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move?

message: Below is my comment regarding a move request on Talk:Jacobin (disambiguation). 
:I was good intentioned, but have found myself in over my head and need help. I moved "Jacobin" to "Jacobin (disambiguation)", intending then to move "Jacobin (politics) to "Jacobin". I felt the (politics) article was the most notable of the disambiguated articles and the most like to be sought by a reader doing a search. Well I discovered a) I cannot do the second move because the name conflicts, and b) an old discussion on Talk:Jacobin (politics) had resulted in exactly the opposite renaming. (That is, I was inadvertently undoing the agree-to work of others.) Can I now have an administrator help me put things right? Jacobin (politics) should be left as it is; my "Jacobin (disambiguation)" should be move back to "Jacobin". Make sense? I do apologize. 
I have repeated the comment here, so that interested editors will be sure to see it. Hult041956 23:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I wrongly reversed this prior move

message: Why no mention of the left? The Jacobins were the original (extremely radical) left wing. 71.131.23.199 (talk) 23:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The left wing

message: It is unclear to me why this section, "Other national personifications", is included.  I can understand "Polish Jacobins", but it does not seem that entries such as the following have anything to do with Jacobin politics: "Uncle Sam", "John Bull", "Johnny Canuck", and "Aura the Finnish Maiden".  Seems like most of these should be moved to a different article altogether, something separate from Jacobin politics. Pete unseth (talk) 13:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other national personifications

message: In histories of the Civil War, Shelby Foote's in particular, the most radical abolitionist/pro-war Republicans are often referred to as Jacobins.  I do not have the citations to tell if that was a contemporary usage or a modern usage. Boomcoach (talk) 19:01, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a cursory search.  These references indicate it is purely Shelby's epithet, not one used at the time to describe them: | Shelby Foote’s The Civil War: A Narrative Volume 1 Chapter 3 and | History shows we can right the ship of state again. Skingski (talk) 04:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  In US during the Civil War 

message: This page have been be rapped ... where are the "freedom or the death" pictures?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.128.184.104 (talk) 14:14, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: "In 2010 a radical American publication, Jacobin (magazine), was founded." Radical is used as a pejorative.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.172.67.7 (talk) 19:58, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jacobin Magazine 

message: Absurd. It won't take too many articles like this to convince people that Wikipedia is not reliable.Devnull5475 (talk) 11:19, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Tea Party?

message: The opening sentence making reference to the "federal" level seems inappropriate, given that this doctrine can apply to any state, unitary or federal. In fact, France, from which this term originates, is a unitary state, where there is no federal government at all, since there is no federation. Shouldn't "federal" be replaced with "national" here? This term covers any government of an independent nation-state, regardless of what type of state (federal or unitary) the country happens to be. 184.161.25.168 (talk) 23:32, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "Federal" level

message: The article seems to imply Girondists were not Jacobins. This is not the case; in fact, the Girondists dominated the Jacobins until 1793.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:280:4900:E583:E1E1:2F72:12DE:249D (talk) 01:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Girondists 

message: This section fails to discuss what Jacobinism is - it only says it is a system of representations and action, which is saying nothing.  The prior 2 paragraphs deal with what the ideology was during the Revolution.  If it remains the same, then they should be moved to this section.
A more descriptive paragraph however specific to post Revolution is needed - especially using Jacobinist sources; their detractors could be used as a criticism. Skingski (talk) 23:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jacobin ideology 

message: Should this article be merged to Jacobin? Editor2020 (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would vote no.  Both articles are lengthy and combining the two would be a mistake just on that basis.  Overlap exists between the two, but we should be able to keep a line between the history of the Jacobins and their philosophy and adoption in later centuries.  An imprecise comparison would be that Wikipedia has separate articles for the historical Muhammed and the religion he founded, Islam. Skingski (talk) 23:56, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: The Influence section seems like a general discussion of the page's topic.  Thus, I propose it appear before most or all the countries listed as they represent specific instances of the general review in the Influence section. Skingski (talk) 01:38, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence