Talk:Roads in Ireland

message: This could be told as an Irish joke but it is true. 
:Dual carriageways are still rather new in Ireland so as a precaution, on the rear of each sign on a dual carriageway is another sign saying Wrong way. Turn back.
They may not be everywhere but I saw some recently on the N11 road. -- RHaworth 10:09, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
They are usually at the end of motorway off-ramps... --Rdd 4 July 2005 23:38 (UTC)
They most certainly exist on onramps, but not on the back of every sign, even on the very very old dual carraigeways (nass, stillorgan) --Kiand 17:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not specifically Irish. Such signs are commonly seen in the United States (where drivers are hardly unused to dual carriageways!) – see  and  – and Australia – see . --Picapica 12:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not a joke

message: There are a number of roads in Dublin city classified as Jxx roads.  I can't find out wht the J stands for. Does anyone know?
:franyhi
::This is a crazed local scheme in Dublin. Two "ring" routes are designated (going via various roads). These are coloured in two colours (I think one is light-blue). Then on the radial routes passing through them, there are signs marking a junction number on the ring route. The "J" stands for junction.
::I really think it's very unlikely anyone makes use of the scheme. It's another obvious indicator of our useless and confusing route signage in this country, which doesn't adhere to standards (not that there seem to be consistent ones anyways!)
::zoney  ♣ talk 11:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  J routes in Dublin city 

message: This article contains much valuable information but it has serious problems of style and POV. It needs to be Wikified. 
Right in the first para we have: 
"It is true to say that many rural roads, even in Northern Ireland, remain an 'exciting' ride. For an unforgettable example, drive from Charleville to Macroom in County Cork; all the stereotypical components are present, from road 'surface' and potholes, to junctions and vicious bends (often combined for added thrills)." 
And there's a para ending: "Among the Irish motoring public, surface dressing is becoming taboo and someday the councils will realise this" (blatant POV).
Ryancolm 10:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style/POV problems =

message: R154 Destinations (SE to NW)
* County Meath
** Black Bull - (leaves N3)
** Kiltale
** Trim (inner relief road) (Jcts. R160, R161, R898)
** Athboy - (meets N51)
** (crosses N52)
** Crossakeel
** Junction with (R163)
** Oldcastle (crosses R195)
* County Cavan
** Mount Nugent
** (meets R194)
** Kilnaleck
** Ballinagh (crosses N55)
This is better, it includes road connections/junctions. Still need route-marker logo to give it a nice presentation. HOW are these generated? (Sarah777 23:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zoney Template 

message: I added a map. What are we supposed to do with these request boxes? Delete? Wait till the guy who put it there comes back?  (Sarah777 20:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just deleting them is fine, thanks for the map.  Kmusser 23:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request to add map

message: Why are there no subsections for National Secondary roads and Regional Roads? They're both under "Other Roads". I'll try to tidy it up a bit, if nobody minds. Ga2re2t 09:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do! Liked what you did on the R402 (Sarah777 19:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something you might look at: Regional Roads and National secondary roads have their their own pages - maybe create a new page just about the National Primaries? Anyway, it all needs to be tidied up, I've done a lot on the Regional roads page but have hardly touched the others. (Sarah777 19:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Sarah about the need for a National primary road article in its own right. It's always seemed odd to me that we have National secondary road and Regional road pages, but any reference to / search for "National primary road" is re-directed here. IMV the existing article should deal with the generalities of road classification, with the particulars being covered in separate articles for each class of road. -- Picapica 10:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, I added "main article" links at the begining of each road class section (primary, secondary and regional). I therefore had to create the article National primary road. For the moment I've only copied from the Roads in Ireland article. I'll let the rest of you Wikipedians take up the relay ;-) Ga2re2t 13:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I added a tag to the talkpage - that's a start! (Sarah777 21:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Well done, the two of you! -- Picapica (talk) 20:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article layout - road classification 

message: The table below is pure speculation.  It belongs on the talk page, not the main article. I have removed it from there and transferred it here.  See WP:NOR --Red King 15:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research: list of national primary road dual carriageways where the redesignation would be feasible. 

message: For the UK roads we now have lists of roads to cover them off and keep them out of the articles.  Should we be looking to do something similar here?  Also there is overlap between this article and Roads in the United Kingdom.  Whatever I put in there I am also adding here.  There is not enough info for a separate Roads in Northern Ireland yet I don't believe. Regan123 (talk) 19:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a separate "Roads in NI" article might help it develop as our NI editors don't seem that interested in writing "Roads" articles as things stand. Probably should be considered - ask User:Ardfern who might have some thoughts on the best way forward. Regarding "we now have lists of roads to cover them off and keep them out of the articles" - you wha?!! Don't understand that! Regards Sarah777 (talk) 00:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, just to clarify my point re lists.  For Great Britain we have A roads in Zone 1 of the Great Britain numbering scheme etc. and in NI the List of A roads in Northern Ireland.  Should we do the same for the N and R roads? Regan123 (talk) 13:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Roads in Ireland (Rep) don't seem to follow zoning rules; especially N roads. While R roads are roughly zoned there are a lot of exceptions. (Sarah777 (talk) 23:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, but could we not just create List of National Primary Roads and the same for R roads?  It would get them off this article which could become more of a general overview.  It could them become something more like Roads in the United Kingdom? Regan123 (talk) 23:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This certainly needs a tidy up I agree. Check Roads in Ireland and regional road. All N roads (there are only about 90) and all R roads with an article are listed. Any thoughts? While there are about 1,000 R roads some are spectacularly unnotable! (Sarah777 (talk) 02:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a look.  I think the article would work much better if we separated them into a list.  With the UK B roads there was a centralised discussion that said place them in a list and unless extremely notable should not have a separate article.  AIUI R roads sit somewhere between non primary A roads and B roads (looking at it from a UK perspective).  We could apply the same general principle, so add the rest but don't create articles unless we should.   There has to be so much more to say about the history (eg. turnpikes), legal aspects of roads, tolls, metrification and so on.  With your knowledge on the subject this could easily be a GA or even FA.  I'll do what I can to help but the UK article (and sub articles) are more primary focus at the moment.Regan123 (talk) 18:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An important point is that roads in Ireland are not pure "routes" in quite the same way as in the UK. Whereas an A-road may be a primary route, drop to a regional road, and back up; in Ireland "R" defines the road; it is always more important than a local road and less important than an N-route. Hence when a motorway is built the N-road replaced looses it's "N" ranking and becomes an R road. Have a shot at fixing this but don't delete the existing R articles! They  are the connections to a whole web of geographical articles. Having said that maybe only a third of them will ever merit an article of their own; as you say they are somewhere between a typical British A and B route. (Sarah777 (talk) 22:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK.  I'll do something in a sandbox and then let you know.  Unlikely to be in the next couple of days as I am feeling rather unwell at the moment.  When I've done it, we can see what/if anything needs tweaking.  I won't be removing any info from WP, merely adding to it. Regan123 (talk) 17:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists / Northern Ireland 

message: The widened Lucan/Palmerstown bypass will not be motorway - several problems with it not least of which are the direct accesses for the Hermitage golf club, Texaco/Foxhunter, Spa Hotel, McCoys and even a couple of private houses. Some, but not all of these, will be taken out by access roads even then the access roads will go nowhere except the N4.  Even after widening the speed limit will still only be 80km/h. The old road is subsumed between Leixlip and Lucan - the only alternative route would be rather windy R120 and R149. Rdd (talk) 19:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lucan bypass

message: I did a bit of addition and worked out the approximate lengths that each motorway in Ireland will be by 2015. I added it to the page.
I also added on the prospect of a possible M18 motorway as well. The only motorway length I'm not sure about is the M11. If somebody wishes to correct that, please do...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trans5999 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: N11 is too bitty to ever make a motorway, not least the very low standard of the Gorey Bypass. Sarah777 (talk) 23:47, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, looks like I was wrong! Sarah777 (talk) 16:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorway Lengths 

message: Due to the size of this article, would it be wise to have a separate Motorways in Ireland page, as is the case for several countries?
eg. Freeways in Australia, Highways in Croatia, List of autopistas and autovías in Spain.
This would be especially relevant as the number of motorways is set to increase dramatically! Sulmac (talk) 09:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably should; they are turning all the dual-carriageway N-routes (almost) into motorways so that is going to expand rapidly. Sarah777 (talk) 16:05, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate "Motorways in Ireland" page? 

message: Massive improvements have been made to this lately. Well done! Seighean (talk) 21:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that - great work. Sarah777 (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Old T routes section

message: The World Roads Portal is at Peer Review, if any editors know of any articles, images, news items or DYKs which could be added to the Portal,  please add them directly to the portal or contact ....SriMesh | talk 19:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Portal:Roads]]

message: Look at N86 road (Ireland) (or nearly any Irish roads page). With the new(ish) template at the bottom is there a need for the links in "See also" to the articles on National, Secondary and Regional roads? Any views? Sarah777 (talk) 11:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicitous?

message: I redirected Roads in Northern Ireland to the Roads in the United Kingdom article. As the UK article addresses technical aspects pertaining to roads in Northern Ireland such as primary destinations, taxation, road signs etc, it seemed a logical destination for the redirect. Alastairward (talk) 00:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roads in Northern Ireland 

message: What is its provenance?  It reads to me as unambiguous WP:OR. Where are the motorways in the south? or the north?  Where is this place called "Eire" (sic)?  Why are the N4 and N5 into Mayo tagged as 'other border roads' [yes, yes, I know, but that would be even more PoV!].  I propose we delete it and so provoke someone into providing a new one that has some connection with the real world! --Red King (talk) 19:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surely no map would be better than the current map? 

message: You may like to know that I have created a wiki which you can view here. The wiki is in its very early stages and I know you road nutters will provide comprehensive cover on Irish roads, seeing that most of the road articles on the encyclopedia are adequate rather than great. I have created some of the motorways and a navigation template, next up is an infobox and incentives. Sarah777 , being the expert that you are, I wouldn't be surprised if you were to my new wiki what Toon Ganondorf was to Robot Wars Wiki...--The Master of Mayhem (talk, contribs, email) 13:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy Regional Road Batman! I only spotted this now. How is the Wiki going? Sarah777 (talk) 19:22, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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