Talk:Texas Tech University/Archive 1

message: All, please take a look at the edits on 27-Dec-2005 by 71.113.229.28.  Is this vandalism or bold editing?  I'm still new here so I'm not sure.  I'm pretty sure the Mr. Papagiorgio reference is vandalism, so I'm reverting that immediately.  Please take a look at the edits and revert if you feel appropriate.  Lbbzman 03:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism or Bold Edit? 

message: I may have found a credible resource for the over $1 billion claim.  http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/reports/PDF/1149.PDF  The state of Texas uses these official numbers when insuring the Universities.  The amount invested in secondary education seems paltry when considering the size of texas. CrIms0n 21:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Citation for over Billion claim? 

message: Just helping out my fellow Big12 school here - created Texas Tech Red Raiders, The Masked Rider, and Raider Red today.  I'm starting out with a copy/paste from the info that was here already and expanding from there.  Hook 'em! Johntex\talk 01:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My response is a bit late, but thanks. I've worked on all three of those articles now. I'm especially trying to add to Texas Tech Red Raiders. --Wordbuilder 16:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Three new articles

message: Hello. I have reverted the edit to the infobox stating that Texas Tech is a flagship Texas university. While it's true that Tech is the flagship university of the Texas Tech system, the term "Flagship state university" has a certain connotation (at least in Texas). I believe that the University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M University are the only designated flagship institutions. This may have changed. If so, please rerevert but cite an appropriate source. Cheers, Lbbzman 00:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I am going to go ahead and rerevert the addition of "Flagship" to the description in the infobox.  states both, "Texas has two flagship universities - The University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M University, all campuses combined" and "'The University of Houston and Texas Tech University must become flagship universities,' Rylander said." Now, this article is from 2000, so as I mentioned above, things may have changed. If so, please just provide a source. The fact that Texas Tech University if the flagship institution of the Texas Tech University System is adequately mentioned in the text of the article. Please discuss here before adding "Flagship" back to the infobox. Cheers, Lbbzman 13:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you Libbzman - good change.  Johntex\talk 16:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Although 70.129.183.229 hasn't agreed to discuss changes on this talk page, he or she has rightly pointed out that University of North Texas (and upon further research, University of Houston) also put the "Flagship" claim in their infobox. While calling any of these universities a "Flagship State University" is clearly incorrect (see my previous citation above), I wonder if a compromise would be appropriate. How about something like "State University. Flagship of the Texas Tech University System." If I can find a consensus for this article, I'll make the same proposal for the UNT and UH articles. I do agree with 70.129.183.229 that Public and State University tend to be redundant. Cheers, Lbbzman 11:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said in one of my edit summaries when reverting the anonymous editor - the fact that one or more boosters have gotten a hold of the U of H and UNT infoboxes makes absolutely no difference.  Citing wrong information elsewhere in Wikipedia is the absolute worst possible reason to make this article also in error.  Johntex\talk 16:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely. However, I was hoping that my proposal would be factually accurate and at the same time convey the "TTU is the flagship university of the TTU System, but not a flagship university of the State of Texas" message that is in question. If putting "State University. Flagship of the Texas Tech University System" still misrepresents TTU's status, then I don't want it in the infobox. Lbbzman 16:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In principle I agree with you that compromise is possible so long as accuracy is maintained.  However (1) I don't want to invent a term - so I would want to see one or more notable references that Texas Tech is generally called the flagship of the Texas Tech University System.  I don't doubt that it is, but maybe it isn't - maybe they usually call it the "central campus" or "lead campus" or something else entirely.  (2) As you point out, anonymous is not exactly engaged in discussion on this point.  Therefore, I don't see the need to do back flips to find some solution if we have no reason to suspect that anonymous would support/respect the new solution anyway.  Johntex\talk 17:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point regarding finding out whether "flagship" is even a term used to describe TTU in relation to the system. A quick Google search  of texastech.edu (the system's website) doesn't show any references to Texas Tech University being the flagship institution of the system. I haven't been able to find any references when browsing texastech.edu or ttu.edu, either. I'm going to again revert the current anon wording. (You beat me to it.) Lbbzman 17:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately it will be a while before he is able to join in any dialog on this subject. I encountered the personal attacks of User:70.129.183.229 and User:Docbrown777 on :Image talk:Mike leach.jpg and its associated Talk page. I have blocked them both (even though they are probably the same editor) for one month for personal attacks and incivility. Johntex\talk 17:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flagship status 

message: I've seen conflicting information on whether the 2006 Masked Rider, Amy Bell, is a junior or senior. A New Mexico newspaper near her home town of Kermit, TX, stated senior. A Tech release stated junior. Her introduction during the November 4, 2006, Texas Tech vs. Baylor game said she is a senior. My guess is senior but, since I can't nail it down, I removed that portion and just stated her major. --Wordbuilder 15:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masked Rider 

message: Although Tech is not currently a flagship of the State of Texas, it is the flagship of the university system.  Some articles about the drive to make Tech the 3rd state flagship system:
*http://media.www.dailytoreador.com/media/storage/paper870/news/2007/02/01/News/Senator.To.Create.Study.To.Establish.New.Flagship.School.In.Texas-2689759.shtml
*http://www.senate.state.tx.us/75r/senate/Archives/Arch02/p032702a.htm
Interesting, at least I thought so, and I added a bit about it into the entry.  Locriani 20:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flagship information 

message: I agree that it should be merged and a redirect created. Even though I get the email version of the paper, I didn't even know there was a Wikipedia article for it. --Wordbuilder 13:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree - The Daily Toreador is a newspaper, although linked to the university, there are quite a few references to the newspaper as a separate entity from the university.  It would only complicate the understanding of the University if this was added into the article as a separate section.  Instead, it would probably be wiser to increase the links to the Daily Toreador article, and expand and wikify the Daily Toreador entry in this encyclopaedia.  Locriani 04:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Comment - Western Courier has its own article, and WIU is no Texas Tech.  Rklawton 04:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't Merge I'm no way connected to Texas Tech besides knowing a couple of people know have attended that school. Wikipedia has several hundreds of university student-run newspapers articles. A large United States public school such as Texas Tech with a student population over 30,000 should have its own student newspaper article. The Daily Toreador "stubby" article encourages (hopefully in an informative way) visitors to expand the article. By the way, don't let my only "third" contribution to this "encyclopedia" fool you. I've been editing Wikipedia for over 3-years now. Just want to have a fresh start. (Didn't get ban or want to use "sockpuppetery" vote) --Souphanousinphone 01:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The responses bring up great points which I had not considered. The Daily Toreador article should be increased in size and more links created to it. If it gets added to the Texas Tech article, then bulked up, someone will want to split it. So, let's just save ourselves the trouble. I change my response to do not merge --Wordbuilder 16:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one has supported merging so I am removing the tag. --Wordbuilder 13:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Daily Toreador]]

message: I cut the Dairy Barn photo for two reasons.  The angle of the photo made the building appear to be in a very dilapidated condition, and the photo generally did not give a good representation of the campus.  The page currently has no photos of buildings on campus, some of which are gorgeous, and I feel that having that as the sole image of the campus is a little misleading.  I plan to take several photos of the campus soon, including the dairy barn, and I will add them.  I think I'll probably do it shortly after Arbor Day.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.69.143.134 (talk • contribs) 
:Very dilapidated as opposed to somewhat dilapidated? There are a lot of very nice buildings but that area looks like a broken down barn in the middle of a (currently with the rain) mud puddle. Anyone know if there are plans to give the Dairy Barn and its immediate surroundings a little TLC? --Wordbuilder 17:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly is the problem with degrees of dilapidation?  I have heard plans for converting the Dairy Barn into some sort of student recreation facility; one even of it becoming a bar.  While the latter is highly unlikely, I'm sure they do intend to put it to some use.  The rebranding of the school is in full force right now.  I expect they will try to turn that into something more useful and attractive soon.  All that aside, however, the photo of the Dairy Barn was unflattering to the campus.  It's basically the ugliest thing on the Tech campus and unless its little story is told there isn't much point in having a photo of it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elred (talk • contribs) 20:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with "degrees of dilapidation." The original comment (was that written by you?), said the picture made it look "very dilapidated." Right now, the building does look bad and it's going to be difficult to get a photo of it that makes it appear otherwise. I don't disagree with removing the picture. The Dairy Barn needs its own article and, once it's fixed up, a nice picture to go along with it. Best of luck. --Wordbuilder 03:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks. I actually knew that but had forgotten. The limitations for buildings on the National Register are not as restrictive as they are sometimes made out to be. Many such building have been modified and repurposed. The renovations, though, cannot be so great as to significantly change the look of the building compared to how it appeared during its period of significancy. Being listed on a state or local historic register may come with its own set of restrictions but I don't think that applies here. --Wordbuilder 14:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dairy Barn Photo 

message: Come on.  It is like people adding photos aren't even trying. The Biology building?!?! That is the ugliest building on campus. What's next a picture of the east side of Jones stadium?
There are plenty of good looking buildings to take pictures of and add to this article.
:I'm about to do some work on this.  If anyone wants to help, take some hi-res shots and put them up and I'll format them.  I think we should make a section on the page entitled something like "Campus and Buildings" that has little articles about the individual buildings and things like fountains, statues, art pieces etc.  I plan to wait until just after Arbor Day so everything looks really polished, and preferably a day with a clear blue sky.  I agree about the photo of the Bio building.  While I don't mind it being included, it certainly isn't representative of the campus' theme or beauty.  --Elred 05:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone just added a photo of the admin building and the masked rider that were taken directly from Tech's official website.  Those should probably be pulled. --Elred 00:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did my best regarding the photos; feel free to replace them with better photos, as Elred has already done. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 15:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe the thanks for all of those goes to Elred. He did a great job. --Wordbuilder 02:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better photos people 

message: I think one of our vandals is a, slightly over-weight, freshman at A&M named Trevor Mitchell.  He's edited three pages, including a form of the word "shit" in each. ...does sound like an Aggie though.----Elred 03:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: The actual school colors are scarlet and black, not red and black.
http://www.ttu.edu/facts/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.118.48 (talk) 01:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is based on the official identity guidelines which states the colors are "Texas Tech Red" and "Texas Tech Black". →Wordbuilder (talk) 01:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Certain those are guidelines for printed/displayed materials - the official school colors are scarlet and black.  Look at that fact page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.118.48 (talk) 03:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually agree with 'anonymous' on this semantic issue.  The stated colors are "scarlet and black".  The technical issue is that 'scarlet' is just a vague term for many various shades of red.  The technical color TTU uses is #CC0000 but they do traditionally call it 'scarlet'.  I'm gonna change it on the page.--Elred (talk) 03:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, one of these days I will get brave enough to do an actual 'change'.  ;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RazorDog (talk • contribs) 03:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the note.  That quick bit of research inspired me to re-color all of our navigation templates to the official TTU color palette.  I used TTU Red, TTU Dark Red, and TTU Cream for all of the nav boxes.  ...I think it's a cool touch.--Elred (talk) 03:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought it was scarlet, too. The guidelines just added a bit of confusion. There are other pages that need to be changed as well (e.g., Texas Tech Red Raiders football). I'll take care of it/them. →Wordbuilder (talk) 14:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The article on Scarlet seems to state that it is not so vague. (And I always believe what I read on Wikipedia.)  It claims that scarlet is #ff2400, which is somewhat brighter than Tech's #cc0000. Sterrettc (talk) 18:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Colors 

message: [Environmental Sustainability]
In April of 2009 Texas Tech hosted a symposium that focused on making the university more environmentally friendly. The symposium focused on green architecture and design but touched upon other campus sustainability issues as well. Over the past year TTU has hosted a number of speakers that focus on environmental issues, including Doug Fine.
While TTU received a D on the 2009 College Sustainability Report Card, hopefully the recent lectures on campus have sparked new interest in making Texas Tech a greener institution. 
The above information was recently added to the article. I formatted it a bit differently to better display on this page. My question is, does it belong in this article and, if so, where and how should it be worded? I lean toward excluding it. While I applaud the hosting of the symposium, it is rather insignifcant in the overall history of the university (more like news than encyclopedic content). Second, the commentary is unacceptable: "[H]opefully the recent lectures on campus have sparked new interest..." →Wordbuilder (talk) 14:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's any way this note or topic belongs on the page.  It's the definition of Wikipedia:Recentism and more like a 'news' blurb/editorial.--Elred (talk) 23:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: !vote # three — BQZip01 — talk 00:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Added information

message: Even though growth continued at Texas Tech, the university was not immune to controversy.
Second to last paragraph in the history section. I can't say I understand why this sentence is included when talking about the free speech pavilion. Anyone know why? NThomas (talk) 04:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's simply a transition to the lawsuit. If there is a controversy, both sides of the debate and its significance should be discussed. I think the bubonic plague mishap would be more controversial though. — BQZip01 — talk 04:31, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with BQ; it's intended to serve simply as a transition from the good (growth) to the bad (suppression of free speech). While the bubonic plague incident was unfortunate, it seems to be more about the actions of one individual rather than about the actions of the university as a whole. →Wordbuilder (talk) 14:33, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I was just curious. I see now that its a transition. Thanks for a quick answer guys!NThomas (talk) 19:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Aw shucks, Itwern't nuttin' :-) — BQZip01 — talk 03:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this sentence there? 

message: I know this is already a FA so I'm just throwing this idea out there so I don't jeopardize the article's status. In he interest of making the article easier to navigate, I'm curious about adding subsections into the article. It seems like the History section could be divided into three subsections:
An Establishment (or Founding or Early years or Beginning years, etc.) subsection from The call to open a college in West Texas began... to ...the college saw its enrollment leap to 5,366 from a low of 1,696 in 1943.
Expansion and growth from By the 1960s, the school had expanded its offerings... to ...four Texas cities in addition to the main campus in Lubbock.
Recent history from In 1996, the Texas Tech Board of Regents created... to the end of the section ..are eligible for match under the Texas Research Incentive Program.
If this won't effect the article's FA class status, I'll go ahead and add the subsections make the article easier to navigate.
NThomas (talk) 06:34, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking in the talk page's archives, this has already been brought up before when the history section was only ~660 words a little over a year ago. The reason the subsections weren't added because there wasn't enough information to justify the subsections. As of it's current revision, the history section is ~1,100 words. This is almost exactly the same size as Texas A&M's and UT Austin's; both have three subsections in their history sections. Even though both schools have a 50 year head start in their history compared to Texas Tech, there is clearly three distinct "ages" to Tech's history: Early years as a small agricultural school, regional college, and now it's modern period as an established national university. NThomas (talk) 20:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to the adding of the subsections. It would make the section easier to navigate. →Wordbuilder (talk) 20:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding some subsections 

message: I'm trying to gauge the interested in created a Big 12 WikiProject and wondering who would like to be involved.  There are already pages for WikiProject Big Ten and WikiProject ACC.  A Big 12 project would cover the schools themselves and anything to do with conference sports including: events, rivalries, teams, seasons, championships and lore.  There is already quite a bit of activity here on Wikipedia regarding the Big 12, and I think a project could help coordinate and unify our efforts.  Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Big 12 if you are interested, and add your name to the list. Grey Wanderer (talk) 00:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Big 12 WikiProject

message: Here's an TTU story about an increase in restricted research expenditures and new projections in exceeding the $400 million endowment benchmark for Tier One status: . I couldn't really find an appropriate place in the article to add the updated increase in restricted research expenditures (from $27million to $35million). Is it even relevant for the article? NThomas (talk) 04:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Tier One info is in the last paragraph of the "Recent history" subsection. Think we could work it in there? →Wordbuilder (talk) 04:34, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the biggest part of the article was the  The bold section seemed significant. Maybe in a sentence in the research section. Possibly after ? NThomas (talk) 03:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tier One progress 

message: The link and source seems right but according to this from TTU, Tech is <$400million. The article's infobox shows ~$800m. Maybe the $800m is a system endowment? NThomas (talk) 15:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You may be right. I've seen this with other university articles where the system endowment is listed rather than the university endowment. If that is the case, it should be corrected. →Wordbuilder (talk) 16:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been looking for awhile to find just the TTU endowment and the closest I could get was: "a little under $400m" and another that had the HSC endowment but included TTU and ASU. No help there either. NThomas (talk) 01:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to understand what the TTU endowment really is.  The NABUCO study lists something like $750m, but TTU says it's about $400m.  ...but the NABUCO study number is NOT system wide because the Angelo State endowment is not rolled into that number.  If it was really system wide it would be TTU-TTHSC-ASU combined.  My assumption is the NABUCO thing lists the combined endowment of TTU-TTHSC.--Elred (talk) 18:13, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked into this before. The number listed IS with Angelo States endowment rolled into it. The NACUBO states it is system wide and though Angelo State used to be included individually in this list it is no longer. ASU's endowment is around 98 million according to the university and US News. That is gathered with TTU & TTHSC to come up with the current figure.NativeTexan55 (talk) 03:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think the endowment is wrong. 

message: I was creating categories for Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center (TTUHSC) and noticed Bernard A. Harris, Jr. is listed here as a Texas Tech University (TTU) alumni, not a TTUHSC alumni. According to the Texas Tech University System (TTUS), TTUHSC is a separate institution from TTU similar to how University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center is separate from the University of Texas at Austin, but both are part of the University of Texas System. I've already removed Harris from this page and replaced the existing :Category:Texas Tech University alumni with the appropriate :Category:Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center alumni. There may be others listed in the TTU alumni category that need to be moved to the TTUHSC category. NThomas (talk) 21:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  TTU alumni or TTUHSC alumni 

message: Unfortunate thing to watch here.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 17:02, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: People are ignorant all over, generally speaking. Whether it's even worse in the U.S., I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me. That said, I'm sure videos like this make it look worse than it is, so as to more effectively make the point they want to make, and to get wider circulation. There's some cherry-picking going on there. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 17:09, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a function of sample size. Interview enough people and you could get the same result at any school in the country. Not relevant to the article as a whole Falcon8765 (TALK) 02:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? You'd get five students who draw blank looks, when asked 'who won the Civil War', at Stanford, Wesleyan, Rice, any of the nation's top 200 colleges? I doubt it; still, in this case, it seems there was cherry-picking happening in the sense of choosing the most clueless sounding students, for entertainment value, to make a point about interest in celebrity versus interest in history.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:24, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see #4 under WP:FORUM. →Wordbuilder (talk) 08:57, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interviews with Texas Tech students 

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message: A quick skim brought up the following major issues
* Much of the material is dated and hasn't been updated since this article's promotion.
* There is a heavy dependence on primary sources.
* The images lack alt text.
Hopefully these can be addressed. ~ HAL333 00:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
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