Talk:WCCO-TV

message: In this section, "Notable former on-air staff," the word "deceased" is repeatedly used redundantly. "Fred Smith (1935-2005)" is enough, not "Fred Smith (1935-2005); deceased".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.21.84.194 (talk) 18:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: "Deceased" is redundant in one section

message: Would it be better if WCCO Radio and WCCO-TV were split into 2 separate articles? - Hinto 22:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably.  While they started with a common history, WCCO-TV and WCCO-Radio are really two very different programming entities.  -- Kaszeta 13:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm bringing up the matter again, and I have added a split template atop the page. --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Beaten to it... --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting WCCO -Radio and WCCO-TV

message: To all editors, please see the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Newscast_schedules.2C_redux, where the issue of removing locally originated programming schedules is discussed. Calwatch 05:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of newscast schedules?

message: Though they still seem to be using the CBS eye logo for their watermark, all new WCCO segments and the set seem to bear a newer rectangular logo. See here for example. I don't think it should be the primary logo yet at least, but are there any objections to adding it the logo mini-gallery? Sean Hayford O'Leary 06:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rectangle logo 

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thread_title: Unspecified source for [[:Image:712big.jpg]]

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:712big.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Kcco old.gif

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replies: text: Approved fair use rationale has been added. dhett (talk • contribs) 22:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Wccoblue4.jpg

message: I added the  template.  There are almost no references in the whole article.TjoeC (talk) 00:55, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: The article states that the Newswatch 4 moniker was used a couple times, and then also states Newswatch 4 was never used by WCCO.  Obviously mutually exclusive.  So which is it?TjoeC (talk) 00:55, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Newswatch 4 internal contradiction

message: Hello, Please do not add unreferenced names as entries to the list of former employees in articles. Including this type of material in articles does not abide by current consensus and its inclusion is strongly discouraged in our policies and guidelines. The rationales are as follows:
#WP:NOT tells us, Wikipedia is "not an indiscriminate collection of information."  As that section describes, just because something is true, doesn't necessarily mean the info belongs in Wikipedia.  
#As per WP:V, we cannot include information in Wikipedia that is not verifiable and sourced. 
# WP:Source list tells us that lists included within articles (including people's names) are subject to the same need for references as any other information in the article. 
#Per WP:BLP, we have to be especially careful about including un-sourced info about living persons.
If you look at articles about companies in general, you will not find mention of previous employees, except in those cases where the employee was particularly notable.  Even then, the information is not presented just as a list of names, but is incorporated into the text itself (for example, when a company's article talks about the policies a previous CEO had, or when they mention the discovery/invention of a former engineer/researcher). If a preexisting article is already in the encyclopedia for the person you want to add to a list, it's generally regarded as sufficient to support their inclusion in list material in another article. --ḾỊḼʘɴίcả • Talk • I DX for fun!• 03:45, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding unreferenced entries of former employees to lists containing BLP material 

message: So, there's obviously been disagreement about whether or not the removals by 69.235.231.211 are legitimate.  First, in a technical sense, 69...is within policy to delete everything xe did.  None of that material was sourced, and, as such, may be removed at any time if any editor questions its accuracy.  WP:V requires verification for all non-obvious facts, and detailed station history, personnel, etc. are clearly non-obvious facts.  
Of course, I can understand why another IP and Milonica reverted the removals--usually, when someone strips out half of an article, it looks like vandalism. The question is, knowing now that the edits are not vandalism, do Milonica or anyone else have a justification for why so much unsourced info should stay in the article?  I haven't reverted either way yet, but I would, more than anything, like to just see the back-and forth reversions stop.  69... is close to approaching edit warring, even though I think xe is probably correct in this case; in any event, even if one is "right", the correct next step is to discuss on talk, rather than just reverting one another. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:37, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is, while the IP did remove 'some' of the unsourced material, I am also afraid that some of the sourced material may have fell to the deletion too. For example, the channel that the station broadcasts on is widely known via FCC records (digital channel 32, via PSIP displays 4). The edit also removed several other details from the infobox... power, haat, and other technical details that are ALL available on the FCC query at the bottom of the page. These technical details are on all other television articles on wikipedia and are all sourced via the FCC. Now I agree with removing some of the sections regarding affiliation and stuff like that but the technical side of the article is well sourced (by third parties as well as the FCC) so I would argue for that to be re-included, and I will re-include that because it is sourced and conforms will all other television station articles in this encyclopedia. WCCO is not special, WCCO does not need to hide its technical details for some reason or the other. --ḾỊḼʘɴίcả • Talk • I DX for fun! 13:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. None of the removed data was annotated and I neglected to notice that the tech data is verified by the external links. Call it strict interpretation of the rules. Having said that, the edit reversal(s) could have been limited to the data which remained unsourced and uncited. (It is silly to suggest an intention to "hide" data; the issue before us is clear: following the rules of Wiki.) 69.235.231.211 (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree about following the rules, but removing a significant chunk of the article without a good reason or notice (stated on the talk page) stated prompted me to revert the edits, as did Cluebot which follows the same rules I and you should too. You have to understand, when I see that big of a removal of content, especially by an IP address, the first thing that pops into my mind is vandalism. Further, seeing what was deleted included sourced information which I knew for a fact was real and true, lead me to warning you. There is a brief explanation of why I did what I did. --ḾỊḼʘɴίcả • Talk • I DX for fun! 20:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So it looks like we got this all sorted out, right? Do we all agree that the info currently in the article is sourced, and that everything sourced has been restored?  Qwyrxian (talk) 23:29, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think it's resolved. Note to milonica: the edits were explained in the edit summary, a normal, acceptable and proper location for such notice. It is my opinion that your initial reaction to a large portion of material being excised was rational but to then go a step further and reverse the edits without additional consideration and review was a hasty and kneejerk reaction, especially when it was done more than once.69.235.231.211 (talk) 05:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big huge deletion by IP (69...) 

message: Was WCCO owned by Westinghouse from the day it signed on to 1995?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.175.21 (talk) 02:17, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  WCCO-TV's ownership 

message: There is a consensus at WikiProject Television Stations that former on-air staff needs to show some basic level of notability through reliable sources or a standalone article.  Per WP::LISTPEOPLE, this threshold is true for current staff, and doubly so for former staff.  WP:LISTPEOPLE is not a difficult criteria to meet, so if a name fails to meet that basic requirement, it does not warrant a mention in the article.  The section is called "Notable former on-air staff" for a reason. - Aoidh (talk) 10:30, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added sourcing for Loescher. 55401612MSP (talk) 07:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable former on-air staff 

message: Per WP:LISTPEOPLE and the longstanding consensus at WikiProject Television Stations, the names of on-air staff need to meet the basic criteria at WP:LISTPEOPLE or they do not belong in the article. As for the idea that WL:ELNO requires no concensus, that's inaccurate. Wikipedia:External links is very clear on that matter: "Disputed links should normally be excluded by default unless and until there is a consensus to include them." A link to a few clips without context and to a random image don't really seem to improve the article, so I don't see any reason why they should stay in the article. - Aoidh (talk) 02:22, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding staff and links 

message: Though CBS shut down WCCO-TV satellite KCCO-TV in Alexandria as a result of its spectrum being sold in the FCC's spectrum incentive auction, it also had the option for the station to channel-share with its former parent WCCO-TV and move its license from Alexandria to a city in the Minneapolis–Saint Paul area, which would have effectively formed another duopoly in the market between the station and WCCO-TV (and possibly turned it into a CW affiliate owned by CBS, replacing WUCW (channel 23)). The station also would have likely changed its call sign and would have needed to change its virtual channel as well, likely to WCCO-TV’s virtual channel 4 (with it being either on 4.2 or 4.3), unifying their virtual channels in a setup similar to the existing commercial duopolies of KSTP-TV/KSTC-TV, and KMSP-TV/WFTC as well as noncommercial KTCA-TV/KTCI-TV which also unify their virtual channels corresponding to KSTP, KMSP and KTCA-TV’s respective former analog VHF channel assignments. 64222368Z260O (talk) 20:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  KCCO-TV shutdown