Talk:Baronage of Scotland

message: I created this article for collecting feudal baronies. I doubt if there have been creations of such baronies after 1707, but I want to have the possibility to put in also such baronies. VM 17:33, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Better add some refs and an explanation of these peculiar left-overs.DGG 01:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have an idea of what category this page should belong to?VM 15:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Each feudal barony ideally should have its own article, wikified from this list, as will soon the English feudal baronies, now all defunct. It is never too late to start such a history even where historical records are lacking. Where a current holder dies or sells, it would be desirable instead of simply deleting his name from the list and replacing it with the new holder, to start a new article titled "Scottish feudal barony of X", which will start the history as if at year 0 with a brief biography of the deceased holder, how he acquired the barony etc. I am not aware if there is any authoritative publication such as Debrett's Peerage which records the descent of these feudal baronies, or indeed whether any heraldic or other body exists which records them. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 22:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Need for individual histories

message: I propose the following as a logical structure for the broad area of the feudal barony:
*"Feudal barony" (effectively an entry level disambiguation page, to be created by renaming Feudal baron and de-merging its constituent elements into the articles listed below. Feudal baron mainly concerns Scottish baronies and is 99% identical to Prescriptive barony. The latter needs to be merged into the former.)
*English feudal barony- article to be renamed (done), and to receive merger from Barony (country subdivision)
*Scottish feudal barony- article to be renamed and to receive demerged Scottish elements from Feudal baron 
*Irish feudal barony- new article, to be de-merged from Feudal baron. Done, text copied, but not demerged pending consultation.
*Scottish feudal lordship - no changes needed, ideal format.
*Marcher lordship to be renamed & merged from List of Marcher lordships
I am pasting the above to talk pages of the other articles concerned. Your comments please. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 21:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rationalisation of feudal barony articles

message: Altruists:  The Baronies of Prestongrange & Dolphinston are active in the cultural and economic development of their territories.  Conquerers:  The Barony and Lordship of Halydean (Holydean) reincorporated in Delaware and is amassing land and grazing animals abroad in a corporate "mergers & acquisitions" manner with all of the conquering fervor of any ancient Norman raider.  Historians:  Other barons act as historical spokesmen for their territories.  Genteels:  Many feudal barons quite elegantly insist, "please, just call me John," and strive to downplay their status.  Perhaps a section could be added to this article describing the role of feudal baronies today?  Does anyone find this interesting?   insightfullysaid, talk 10:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Role of Feudal Baronies Today

message: What is the definition of county in the list of baronies?  Is it the “historic county”, and if so, in which era?  See the articles  Counties of Scotland, Barony and  Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973.  The county name at the time the barony was created may have changed during its history, and  counties and burghs were replaced by other units after 1975. Contributors have  used various versions.  Also, there is variation with “shire”, e.g. Ayr/Ayrshire.  Although baronies are no longer tied to land, I think it’s useful to include county. I’m going to use the historic counties before 1890 for now in my own additions, since that's when the baronies were created, and add shire, but I’d like to see this clarified.  Cataobh (talk) 18:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Counties

message: The baronies of Finnart and Finnart-Stewart would appear to come into this category, but have since been merged into Greenock and Gourock respectively. Should they be listed? . . dave souza, talk 18:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Finnart

message: Here are two sources that say the lands of Lochiel were united into a Barony in the early sixteenth century:
# http://www.scotsoflou.com/public/images/pdfs/clanifo/clanpdf/C/Clan%20CAMERON.pdf
# http://www.rampantscotland.com/clans/blclancameron.htm
Is this adequate evidence that Lochiel should be added to the list of feudal baronies?  Thanks GPS Pilot (talk) 04:07, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barony of Lochiel? 

message: I have just linked a new article Barony of Preston and Prestonpans in the list - please feel free to take a look and improve it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:59, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New link 

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message: We had some trouble with editors in getting the Barony of Blackhall page up, to which this page is linked; notabiity guidelines require that other knowledgeable sources, including you on this site, improve the article. Please feel free to add some constructive editing to advance the Blackhall site if necessary, including bringing it into line with the guidelines of this 'Barons in Scotland' site. 
Also, would it not be useful to get some exposure to the Convention of the Baronage? Your site here could really be useful for pulling the whole baronage together a bit tighter. Kind wishes and well done. Special:Contributions  15:13, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Blackhall

message: Why does Baron baillie link here, but then there is no further mention of it? Kiltpin (talk) 19:57, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baron Baillie? 

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message: In the list of present Barons there is a tendency to add the baronial land designation after the name. Why? The territorial designation in the left column should suffice. The purpose of the column of name is to know the name of the holder - should not first name and surname suffice for that? Not need to flaunt the territorial designation in that column... Jonar242 (talk) 17:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  N.N. of X 

message: Although the family no longer owns Earlshall Castle, David Robert Baxter (Baron Earlshall) retained the title and coat of arms, presented to him by Lord Lyons of Arms.  The Baron died in April 2018, whereupon his wife. Lorraine Earlshall assumed the title of Baroness Earlshall.  The patents, scrolls and legal paperwork are currently held in her possession.  ADM Baxter, son of the present Baroness. 2A00:23C5:6282:7D01:7D25:31E7:5F14:3D4 (talk) 16:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barony of Earlshall