Talk:4chan/Archive 2

message: So what about VTEC kicked in, Yo?
:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I think only memes that spread to other websites should be listed here. Ashibaka tock 03:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Seeing as how it's all but impossible to verify anything that actually happens on 4chan, due to post pruning, only memes that have been notably seen outside of 4chan should go in the article.  Kuhan 09:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Cite sources. This article needs verification badly. Ashibaka tock 03:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  VTEC? 

message: Robert Bopkins is the name of a proffessor at Stanford, and the same man now known as "Old Moot" (curly black hair and glasses). Moot's real name has never been revealed. 71.224.246.205 03:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Bopkins != moot 

message: Should something be added about the site being down today because of (apparently) a ddos attack?--88.105.251.88 23:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure it's the result of a DDoS attack? I mean, 4chan goes down all the time. It's nothing new...--Sporkot 01:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 10th situation 

message: The /b/ imageboard once again has forced anonymous posting. (January 29, 2006) Just an anonymous remembering reading about it on wikipedia, thought I should bring it up.
There should be an entry about the epic sticky in /B/ yesterday. "Is this reality" countered with "Is this fantasy" turned into a bohemian rhapsody thread which in turn ate god's face.
*That thread went downhill after I stickied it :( -moot 04:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  /b/ Forced Anonymous 

message: I thought it was THC-chan, since the character is a pothead, etc. I mean, I've seen it as TCC-chan since the initial posting, but you know how /b/tards aren't bound by restrictions like fact. --Sporkot 03:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that you mention it, you're right. I was just wondering what the right name was if it were to be kept at all.--Sporkot 05:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TCC-Chan? 

message: Was this deleted as a popular meme? I've re-added it as I think it's a worthy addition - far worthier than some others on there in fact. The text needs expanding and stuff, I only wrote a very rough description. Tphi 15:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raptor Jesus

message: Should we add the 'I WAS BORN INTO A WORLD YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND'?
It's become popular in /b/ (in where someone posts a picture of violet from UltaViolet or whatever with the caption above, followed by random images being post with the same, or slightly altered caption) for about three days.
See if it's still there in a month. In my opinion, the memes listed should be limited to just those that have been around long enough to be truly notable. Tphi 13:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I WAS BORN INTO A WORLD.. 

message: Is it really shut down? Anyone who can do a whois search knows that it is hosted on the same servers as 4chan is. I, and others, just assumed it went down with cgi--193.195.185.254 21:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  not4chan 

message: Shii this article is crap and has a ton of errors and inaccuracies. I thought you were supposed to be maintaining this :( WHY SHII WHY. --moot 07:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm on Wikibreak. Also, a lot of this is unverifiable but it breaks 4chan's heart to see their precious towercat erased from the site. (Someone archive it) Ashibaka tock 18:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SHII 

message: I removed this:
* On February, 17, 2006, 4chan's /b/ lost a fight against Megatokyo's  Fred Gallagher. This marks the first loss by /b/ ever.
As it's pretty much irrelevant to the history. (The fight: Fred allegedly created hentai images, and managed to get all traces of them erased from the internet. 4Chan/b/ has, as of yet, not been able to find the images.)
:Very Relevant.  The Day /b/ died.  NEVAR FORGET.
*Fact: after the colocation of the servers, /b/'s retention was drastically lowered due to an oversight. No threads about anything were deleted for any reason pertaining to Fred Gallagher. Fred Gallagher has never even contacted 4chan. Just another case of /b/tards jumping to conclusions!
:/b/ did find the images though..
Something on the same topic has been readded, but I don't think it should be there. I really don't think anything should be considered notable unless it's still remembered next month, at least. MrVacBob 18:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Major beating my ass. MTF barely registered anything at all, and many of your trolls were swiftly dealt with by the moderation team. The only reason I was aware of your presence was a locked thread in one of the board sections. Seriously, it was not notable. Stop adding this junk into the article. --Sporkot 06:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: For some closure on this, Fred's blogged up his side of the story on the strips for this week. --J-Kama-Ka-C 15:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Megatokyo Loss 

message: The link to 420chan in the cracky section has been removed for possible 'privacy violation' reasons. I disagree, since :
* Cracky voluntarily made the 420chan posts in public
* They contain no new personal information
* The whole point of the posts was to call for an *end* to people "stalking" her. I.e. publicising this link should lead to decreased 'stalking', not more. It has had this effect on 420chan.
Also the "see below" regarding her age no longer makes sense without this context. Again, she freely made her approximate age in the photos public (without even being asked in fact) and this is important as it means the semi-nude pictures in the "witch" series are legally dubious in most countries.
:I'll support the reporting of that post appearing, but not the crackypedia link. MrVacBob 18:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, explanation now minus Crackypedia link.
I read the cracky chan story on here and another place and I'm still unsure about it.  I know she had face shots of her with a clown face and mouse ears and she needed dental work.  Aside from that what exactly happened?  I heard at another source she only posted a few pictures and then people found them on her live journal?  In this talk page you say she posted naked pictures of herself in 4chan--is this true?  DyslexicEditor 12:06, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Those ones where she had the mouse ears and raggedy anne makeup I think are the best ones.  If I was rich I'd  buy the rights and make a cartoon out of them and I think it would get ratings.  I didn't care for the rest.  I think topless and 16 is legal in the UK.  DyslexicEditor 12:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cracky-Chan 

message: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/April_Furs_Day
Can someone verify this?  Did this truly happen?  If so, I think it should be added here.  DyslexicEditor 12:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it did happen. However, I don't know anyone else who might have archived threads/taken screenshots while /fur/ was up besides Encyclopedia Dramatica. Actually, ask on 4chan itself, preferrably in /r/ or /b/. I'm sure someone has it. --Sporkot 00:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  April Furs Day? 

message: Much of this article is copied exactly from http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/4chan (a source of the article) without even trying to hide it.  DyslexicEditor 12:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that it even freakin matters either way.  Both sites have their articles in the public domain.  How could they not? Kuhan 09:32, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about that site, but wikipedia is -not- public domain. -Goldom (t) (Review) 14:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  copyright violations 

message: The article needs mention of "Shii" DyslexicEditor 13:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about me? Or do you mean Shii-chan? Ashibaka tock 23:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  :10bux: says he means you. I guess that he is (well...was, until now) unaware that you *are* Shii. I think it might be worthwhile to have something on you in this article because of your contributions, but I also fear it will bring much drama and revert wars. --Sporkot 00:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't do that much for 4chan really. The article mentions that I wrote the crappy board software and that is about all which is notable about me. Ashibaka tock 01:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then this http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Shii is wrong just like most of the site.  DyslexicEditor 03:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you miss the point of Encyclopedia Dramatica then. It's a joke site. Their entire aim is to mock and parody internet phenomena, so talking about the validity of their articles is rather ridiculous.--Sporkot 04:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But there's nothing funny on the site except the furry jokes.  Their admins revert anything non-furry that is actually funny.  Perhaps I'm too old for that site.  They list their admins birthdates and most are children -- 7-11 slurpies make up half their website's joke material and they love those repeated "jokes". DyslexicEditor 12:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shii 

message: I'm trying to make this article more accurate and coherent. Thank god the memes were removed and linked back to WikiWorld. This article shouldn't be a meme repository, there are other sites for that. Fixed some inaccuracies, will work on fixing whatever is left and grammar later. --moot 01:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well a link to another site is good until the page goes down.  Before you did that, I was thinking of suggesting that the memes be alphabetized.  As they were in random order it's hard to find anything.  DyslexicEditor 03:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The page looks a lot cleaner without the memes listed. Do you really expect the wikiworld page to go down? Tphi 22:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Holy cow, this looks beautiful. GJ Moot.--Sporkot 02:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: What's up with this meme? I remember first seeing it come to /b/ August 2005, but I never really understood it. Is it linked to the 'desu' meme? Date: Today. Anonymous
:Are you talking about Suiseiseki's eyes? CABAL 09:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please put recent comments at the bottom of this talk page, please. --Sporkot 08:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Red & Green Eyes

message: It's missing from the list of memes, and I was really looking forward to an explination for this meme.
It's nearly the same as WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY, it's Dio's Japan-ified yell of "THE WORLD!"
:Again, new comments go at the bottom--Sporkot 05:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Za Warudo!

message: Does anyone have the IP address for 420chan as it is still unacessible due to DNS problems?
* Straight from my hosts file -- Bobdoe (Talk) 03:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. Don't suppose there's anything to it that the site is still having troubles (as much as it's joked about, I wouldn't be suprised if it were under investigation)? Tphi 11:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  420chan 

message: Stay the hell away from 4chan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.2.42.137 (talk • contribs) .
:Please do NOT post this kind of cruft on the talk page. Also, sign your edits, please. --Sporkot 03:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ATTENTION NEWGROUNDERS 

message: What the heck is the point of tagging the anonimity section for cleanup? If we're going after "original research", that's kind of ridiculous since any article about an internet site is going to come from firsthand knowledge and experience. Furthermore, most of these "citations" that people so desperately seek aren't going to be available for 4chan. Threads get pruned relatively fast, and as far as I know, there is no perpetual link or archive. As a result, many of the statements in this article will be based in fact, but will not have an available primary source. I understand we're trying to shape Wikipedia into a more credible information base, but it's getting ridiculous. --Sporkot 23:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonimity section? 

message: --So one of these days, I was browsing 4chan and I found these user-made posts, that made me really interested in the true nature of a /b/tard:
Take out the REAL pedos, rascists and porn obsessed from the 4channers,
Remove the crazy yaoi fan girls and the underage b/ posters who think they are hardcore,
Then you have a core of intelligent, fun, witty, caring people who act drunk to relax (b/) or look at pretty artwork (c/ w/ a/ cm/ n/ etc) or fap to wind down after a tough day in a normal tough life.
You'd be amazed but the average b/tard is mature enough, with an IQ over 120, interest in politics, world events and people in general, love for free speech enough to tolerate a few sick fucks and no mercy for those who take themselves too seriously.
B/ is our way of winding down, dedramatizing stuff, having a laugh and toughening ourselves up to prepare for tomorrow morning when we have to face life again.
Many of us are not white, straight, in love with inaccessible little girls, american, healthy, rich, in a happy family, in a great job, convinced that our country is run intelligently, with a simple sexuality and no personal drama in our past or present... but on b/ no one cares, all is mirth, all are anonymous!
For a short while we become the giddy crowd, the hooligans, the satires and the councellors without gender color or difference... We become legion and are free from all social restrain, free from censorship and free from ourselves. The trolls at the heart of b/ have understood how precious that is.
Never underestimate anonymous, never judge us on what is displayed: what you are seeing is just us on the potent drug of utter freedom.
: I'm sorry, but the true /b/tard nature is "mu". Besides, this isn't really a discussion page about 4chan. It's a discussion page about the 4chan article--Sporkot 21:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  /b/tard nature 

message: I'm sorry, I'm not very good at wikipedia but I'd like the 4Chan article to be as good as possible out of respect for Mother 4Chan. Would it be a worthy idea to elaborate on the function of the boards in the article and possibly create another section of the article on them? I think this should be done, seeing as most of the article focuses on memes and /b/ which seems to be the only thing people here see in 4Chan. I want to ask before I write this and make sure people know about the edit so some people can proofread what I wrote for factuality and formatting and whatnot after I actually write it. Input  pl0z? Also is this signed properly?
--Shinta 03:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: New comments go at the bottom (where I placed them), and I agree that a short section be made for each of the boards of 4chan, perhaps including some of the former (closed) boards of the site. Ryulong 03:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, this means research. --Shinta 04:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not much, though.  I think I saw something about /5/ and /z/ (two removed boards) in the WikiWorld page, so that's some work already done. Ryulong 04:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's it? Lol ok. --Shinta 18:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if the boards from not4chan were once on 4chan, though, so you may want to look into that. Ryulong 20:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were. I'm not sure, however, that per board descriptions are entirely neccessary. We don't do that for 2chan or 2channel for a reason: the list would be really long. --Sporkot 23:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then maybe just the name of the boards are in order, maybe with links to the related articles on Wikipedia.  I don't think anyone needs any sort of major description of the board for "Animals & Nature", however "High Resolution" or "Anime/Cute" may need a short description. Ryulong 23:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not really, because they're on the website itself. The directory names (like /b/, /an/, etc.) are not shown by default and the board descriptions are in the rules. There is no need to add pointless length to this article. --Sporkot 00:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The board list is not shown on the website when one first goes there, and a list of the board names would not make this article that long. It can be placed before the See Also section, and not disrupt the article. Ryulong 00:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Elaborate on boards?

message: I was recently browsing through a very anti-4chan message board, and I heard the phase 420chan. Obviously I had no intention of going to the site directly, so I decided to use wikipedia.
Now I'm already familiar with the background/controversy that is not4chan, and can see it was mentioned in its own little section. But why was I forwarded into an article with no mention of this site? Inclusion plz? 86.133.33.135 19:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 420chan is another imageboard. There is nothing illegal on it, feel free to browse. Ashibaka tock 20:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: So what is 420chan?

message: I've been looking at some other wiki pages for sites like YTMND and they mention conflicts with other sites and raids, such as the one aimed at Ebaumsworld (which 4chan participated in). I was wondering if 4chan's infamous sustained attacks on places like Habbo Hotel are worth mentioning. McSnuffy 17:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they are, just like the recent attack on Naruto-kun forums. --TonyM ｷﾀ━( °∀° )━ｯ!! 18:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Probably, but we should mention that the 4chan mods actively ban for participating in invasions. --Sporkot 20:43, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But they really don't. I've seen a couple people get banned for the Linksys stuff, but Habbo threads and that Naruto-Kun invasion never resulted in bans. McSnuffy 04:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That you know of. Furthermore, it's kind of hard to pin down exactly who participated in invasions. Whenever someone *self-identifies*, they're usually taken care of. --Sporkot 00:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose you're right. Perhaps the section should mention that the official policy of the moderators is to ban invaders, but many incidents slip through the cracks McSnuffy 12:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Raids/Controversy

message: The last paragraph in the first section starting with "It is unclear what warranted..." is very clearly written by a proponent of the site and someone trying to defend the site's reputation.  If someone would like to step forward and make this portion neutral POV that would be great, otherwise I will return and to do it.  I do not visit 4chan, but upon reading this paragraph, having my own suspicions and then visiting /b/ I saw several images of illustrated underage girls in sexual context -readily available and displayed without digging around.  I think then it is very clear why the site's access was blocked - and there doesnt need to be several colloquially written sentences feigning ignorance and obliviousness as to why that happened. Deusfaux 10:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I gave it two weeks, now have attempted a proper edit myself. Deusfaux 07:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV not neutral

message: This discussion page really needs to be trimmed of the idiotic comments from random editors who just wanted to be disruptive. I don't know what I should and should not archive, but the recent edit that I reverted is definitely something that should not be on a talk page, even if it is for 4chan. Ryulong 02:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page trimming 

message: As a veteran /b/tard, I'd like to point out that copypasta has been around for quite some time, even if it hasn't been called such forever. I'd just like to know if it says that due to lack of knowledge/poor wording/etc, or if it was intentional before I edit it. — Virak|talk 13:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like someone beat you to it. As for the phenomenon being not-so-recent, you're right. In fact, it is very similar to the kopipe found on 2channel (i.e. the Yoshinoya rant). I tried to work that in there, but it just came out awkward.--Sporkot 17:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copypasta isn't recent 

message: Seriously, where does this come from? Ryulong 01:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disgruntled people who feel they've been "slighted" by 4chan. --Sporkot 02:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So the revert was well noted, then. Ryulong 02:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really an insult as much as it is a joke among /b/. As a /b/tard, I actually consider it as a bit of a compliment, and /b/ often refers to itself as the internet's asshole.. However, its not at all relevant to the article, so this removal was a good choice. (Steampowered 02:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "/b/ is the internet's asshole" 

message: I would like to discuss the changes I have been reverting and now have compromised to leaving.
*"Anonymous" is not a descriptive title.  "Anonymity", the state of being anonymous is.
*"/b/radio" while new, should not say that other rival stations sucked
*The sourdough bread thing was funny, but it, like any other meme, does not need to be linked to this article. That's what Wikiworld's page on 4chan is for.
Thank you. Ryulong 23:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What the fuck is with all this /b/ crap? --mboverload@ 23:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: /b/ is the Random board of 4chan. They are a community that thrives on disruption and simple comedy. Ryulong 23:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The "DESU DESU DESU" vandalism that recently took place was an example. Ryulong 00:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well this page is now on my watchlist, and I am on most of the day.  I don't back down against vandals. --mboverload@ 00:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here. I just hope that they stop referring to me by name in their edit summaries. Ryulong 00:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is your username =D --mboverload@ 00:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of it being my username, I do not want to be a target for the users of the boards. I had my User page sprotected because of WatchtowerJihad sockpuppets, and I don't want to deal with /b/ vandalism. Ryulong 00:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: o, ok. --mboverload@ 01:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On my recent edits 

message: 4chan List of Memes is a direct copy from WikiWorld's page. As such, I have listed it for speedy deletion and removed the link from this article. Ryulong 01:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio from another wiki