Talk:Torture murder

message: Torture murder is a loosely defined legal term Source please. --Philip Baird Shearer 18:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: legal term

message: I've removed references to people being killed by police agencies or state organizations vs. persons killed by serial killers.  A police agency may torture someone to death, but its questionable if shuch should be called torture murder.  Also, if every member of a secret police group who has ever tortured a person to death was listed here as a torture murderer, the list would be very long.  This artice, I feel, should stick to private individuals who illegally kill via torture murder. -Husnock 16:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This gets back to the definition, as raised in the first part of this talk page. The death of William Wallace is referred to in the main section of the article, but that could be followed by thousands of comparable instances, including deaths in the War on Terror. It's questionable that these should be included, but only because this topic has no verifiable definition. The content should be confined to Murder and Torture - otherwise this is just dwelling on blame and suffering. Not a good thing?--Shtove 00:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: State murder vs. Torture murder

message: "The film FeardotCom also deals with a torture murderer, kidnapping women and then killing them slowly over the Internet."
:This is completely irrelevant to the article - it could possibly be put into a trivia section if there was one but I don't think one should be created for this....information. Removed it. Desdinova 23:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feardotcom? 

message: I've just removed one so-called "torture murderer" because the main article on him doesn't have any evidence that he "qualifies". A quick check would seem to indicate that a good few others are similarly listed when they should not be. I'm going to leave this article for now. It really isn't such a big deal for me if this article is crap, but if any others care about it maybe that can look at my (attempted) changes today over the last few days.... Snori (talk) 08:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quality

message: Can you please explain the deletion? The deleted painting shows a torture-murder. So, what's the problem?Biophys (talk) 03:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please prove that it depicts "torture murder" by providing references. It is your opinion that it is torture murder, because the term is imprecise, and I cannot take your word that this dead corpse was tortured. In particular, what makes you think it was "state sanctioned". Please provide corresponding state documents which sanctioned the depicted. In almost all prison systems of the world the prison keepers did horrible illegal things to prisoners. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is description of the image copied from Wikimedia Commons (you can just click at the image and read it) - taken from Jamestown Foundation (the  copyright holder):  "The torture-death depicted here was known as komariki (little mosquitoes). For even an insignificant misdeed, such as a harsh word to a guard, a prisoner could be stripped naked, hung crucifixion-style to a pine tree, and left to be fed upon by mosquitoes. Within thirty minutes to an hour he would be taken down. By that time, however, he would have lost so much blood that a slow and painful death was almost inevitable. Such executions were carried out beyond the barbed wire, in full view of the other prisoners. In some camps, the victims of komariki were not hung on trees, but were thrown instead into pits.".Biophys (talk) 17:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of the image

message: The torture page defines this as state torture to the point of murder for the purposes of punishment.  This page uses a very different, neologism-style definition and tries to cover two topics at once.  Google news and books searches suggest support for only the legal definition, which appears to be unique to the US  .  I would be concerned over the use of news articles and the like that are defined by editors as "torture-murders" by serial killers or similar people, without a unifying term of "torture-murder" that is agreed upon by at least one, if not ideally a set of reliable sources.  WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 16:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page meaning 

message: Why isn't Sylvia Likens listed as one of the victims? or Gertrude Baniszewski as one of the murderers? That case was really horrific, and Sylvia was tortured to death.
On another note this page needs to stay up, torture murderers are the worst of the worst, and they should be chronicled somewhere here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.36.236.236 (talk) 01:35, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylvia Likens? 

message: I've just removed this section. It might be useful to have a section enumerating some of the motives (sexual, religious, criminal etc with examples), but to simply have four random examples doesn't add much value. Snori (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Cases