Talk:YTMND/Archive 3

message: Why does The Picard Song redirect to this article? Crimson Shadow 22:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Picard song is one of the well known "classic" fads at YTMND.  While they did not create it, there is no better article to redirect to. The true creator (DarkMateria) would classify as NonNotable on it's own. --KPWM_Spotter 00:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picard Song?

message: Is this really necessary? I was just attempting to expand on this article here with mention of http:// scientologyattack . ytmnd . com/, as it has had more than some attention directed at it from YTMND and subsequently across the immediate social internet extending from it. Given the size and scale of said film (small), it's quite a notable event in it's history as far as I'm concerned, yet I found myself unable to link. Yes, I can imagine rogue YTMNDers love to mess up wiki with such spam links, but wouldn't blacklisting ytmnsfw.com (which is NOT on the current blacklist) be safer, since YTMND itself has a fairly aggressive filtering proceedure for 'unsafe' (ie. racist or blatantly offensive) sites? Just my two cents, hope someone with blacklist-editing ability notices. AKismet 04:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. There is a discussion page on Meta, and on that page is a section for proposed removals. You're probably better off bringing up this point there.--Dreaded Walrus 05:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I looked into why YTMND.com is on the blacklist — it's because YTMNDs that are created are mostly copyvios that we ought to not link to. However, www.ytmnd.com and wiki.ytmnd.com are on the spam whitelist so we can still link to the official website, as well as link to the relevant article on YTMND wiki when we bring them up. —this is messedrocker (talk) 19:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  YTMND on [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist Spam Blacklist] 

message: The original yourthemannowdog.com did have sound - but you cannot hear the sound because the web archiver did not archive it. If you look at the source of the first yourethemannowdog.com you will notice that a WAV was embedded into the site. --J.P. 00:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I know that the Wayback Machine doesn't archive sound. I took a look at the source code, and I didn't see any indication of sound files. I guess I didn't look hard enough. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 01:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you would like to see it yourself you can look at line 17 in the HTML. --J.P. 22:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I noticed it after I took a second look at the code (the first time when I originally wrote that section I hadn't noticed any code indicating any sound files). ★MESSEDROCKER★ 23:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake 

message: The first external link in the "Media exposure" section (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8366702/) is broken. It seems I have to report this fact in the talk page as seen in the edit history. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
: Then I suppose we stop linking to it...? ★MESSEDROCKER★ 23:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fixed. When this happens, the easiest thing to do is check webarchive.org. The story was originally published by Reuters, so it can probably be found elsewhere, too. --- RockMFR 04:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: This article refers to an episode or something happening on February 29th, 2006. What's wrong with this picture? 2006 was not a leap year. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.188.147.38 (talk) 17:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. It was vandalism from about 9 months ago. Amazing that nobody noticed that until now... --- RockMFR 18:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date??? =

message: There hasn't seem to be any major development off this article for quite some time. However, I do not feel the article is totally perfect yet. What more should we do to improve the article? (Other than the Notable Creation bit; we all know about that and I don't want to have that conversation again.) ★MESSEDROCKER★ 02:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a cleanup of the Media Exposure section, as suggested in the article itself, would be a good idea.  I'd remove most of what's listed there and leave descriptions of the first article or two to mention the site and maybe the first contest (Attack of the Show).  In my opinion, the article's in pretty good shape besides that. DiscordantNote 17:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I myself would like a bit about technical features/innovations on the site, like private messaging and crew. Or a section about the web pages itself. Sources, people! ★MESSEDROCKER★ 19:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The problem I think, is that its going to be hard to find those sources.  I'll do some searching on digg and TechDirt, and of course Google some stuff, but I think anything on the technical features will be slim beyond Max's own blog updates. Also, I think we could get something done on the Notable Articles aspect if someone would put something up.  Then we could see how it works and make changes as necessary.StvnLunsford 20:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  They're acceptable, for now. They're not Third Party but it's better than nothing. Also, we should migrate, in general, from using on-YTMND sources to using things like articles published about YTMND. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 21:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What should be done now 

message: Why does "The Picard Song" redirect here? I was hoping to find information about the song, and not some passing mention of it in an unrelated article.
:It should actually redirect to the Picard article, where there is some info about it.  Also, the cabal hates YTMNDers, even those of us who contributed seriously to this project. Sir Crazyswordsman 17:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made a request to change the redirect. --- RockMFR 17:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect Question 

message: A few things that need to be clarified in the article, but I don't feel like changing right now:
*Letter specifically mentions one single YTMND, but cease and desist letter covers all the YTMNDs with similar material; explaining this in detail would be better than saying that the letter targetted the "that's no good" fad, as that is a bit of original research
*I believe the content in the specific YTMND in the letter is from both Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic X (audio from the first, image from the latter)
*Article should say "on [date], Sega Europe sent..." rather than "on [date], Max revealed". --- RockMFR 20:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Though fair use can be argued for a lot of YTMNDs. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 14:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the fair use argument for YTMND?  Parody?  That's what I would guess, but I'm not sure.  An I'm a wikipedian, too!  For shame.  StvnLunsford 16:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Maybe if we can get YTMND's legal counsel (yes, they have one) to publish a document about the legality of YTMND content, then we can make use of that. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 16:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That should work.  I think Max would be more than happy to have something up here saying that what they do is legal. StvnLunsford 18:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's legal beacues 1. it's parody and 2. the copyrighted clips used are usually about 10 seconds tops. --Sir Crazyswordsman 18:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know this is an old discussion, but for the edification of any who should read it later, "fair use" of copyrighted material is never a "you have X and Y, so you're not infringing". It's always a matter which require adjudication based on the  four pillars. I personally think it sounds like they have a good case, but ultimately, it comes down to what the courts rule, if it gets that far. -166.20.24.144 (talk) 21:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega 

message: Just wondering what happened to the section about the conflict with Live Jasmin.  I remember all the commotion about the Shoe On Head fad.  Why is the section gone? PaulNic 03:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those do not constitute reliable sources. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 10:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Live Jasmin

message: I noticed there is a long running sources problem with this article, I also found there are some articles which have not been used as sources in the article, here is a list of them. Google has picked up some blogs and comments on news though so make sure you don't accidentally source them.--The Negotiator 18:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as this is YTMND here (unlikely there are peer-reviewed journals writing about YTMND), citing a blog for a minor detail wouldn't be the end of the world. Of course, we should avoid using blogs nonetheless. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 04:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: should there be more information about Max Goldberg? I do not know that Much about YTMN so I do not know if more information is needed, Just a Thought. Max 04:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this is the article on YTMND, not Max Goldberg. A small amount of information would be decent I suppose, but be sure to back it up with reliable sources. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 04:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Max Goldberg 

message: Max appears to have taken a rather depressing view of YTMND lately, due to the total lack of creativity on the part of the vast majority of the users (which was the original intent), childish behavior (including racism, spamming, etc.), and how only a small amount of people seem to be there to actually make enjoyable YTMNDs rather than just mess around and make inappropriate jokes. You can see how he's lashing out (quite righteously, in my honest opinion) , and he recently made the depressing allusion to the Titanic in his newest YTMND in "myrelationship.ytmnd.com/" (blacklisting prevents the hyperlink to this site). It appears that Max is ready to pull the plug, but it's just speculative at this point. Either way, could a note about this downturn be made somewhere in the article? --Blingice 07:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say probably not while it is just speculation. Of course, if it does go down, then that should obviously be mentioned. --Dreaded Walrus  t c 12:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: There are puppies and sparkles on the front page. I fear the worst. - ElbridgeGerry t c block 16:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  YTMND sinking? 

message: I've just noticed that a lot of the stuff in the media exposure section is word-for-word the same as the YTMND media sightings page, the page which is being used to source this information. Going back in the history and checking archive.org , it is more than obvious that the YTMND media sightings page cannot be used as a reliable source for this information, as they are merely copying it from us (not vice versa).
It would be best to source this stuff with primary sources (e.g. reference the tv shows themselves). Of course, before doing this, it would be good if someone could double-check and make sure this information is factually correct (I'm sure there are videos around and the like).
In the end, most readers are going to just have to trust us on this stuff since it is very difficult for much of this to be verified, but I would rather us cite with primary sources and leave it up to the reader to check them out than to mislead them into thinking that the YTMND media sightings page is the source of this information. --- RockMFR 04:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media exposure reference problem 

message: :The article Blue Ball Machine was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on 12 August 2007 with a consensus to merge the content into YTMND. If the merger is not completed promptly, Blue Ball Machine might be re-nominated for deletion.
I'd tend to disagree with any sort of merger. The only secondary source for Blue Ball Machine was this Wired article, which happens to list a number of YTMNDs. Right now, we do mention this and list the YTMNDs that were included in that article. I think that's the right amount of treatment to give this subject. --- RockMFR 16:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger from [[Blue Ball Machine]] 

message: This article has many secondary, reliable sources. Primary sources are perfectly fine as long as the subject is not overly NPOV or controversial, and especially fine when they are being used for direct quotation. As the tag itself states, "Alone, primary sources...", they are certainly not alone. The sources, as they stand, are fine, except maybe the Scientology claim, but given their history of legal action it's not really controversial or unbelievable at all. The section could just be removed, though. --Lucid 09:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, primary sources make up about half the sources being cited. Most of them aren't for direct quotation. MessedRocker (talk) 10:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary sources. 

message: As of 4/1/08, when you visit the YTMND webpage, you encounter a page that says YTMND is about to be closed up. Is this genuine or some April's Fools prank?--Achillobator  —Preceding comment was added at 10:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Unprotected now that the nature of the "shutdown" is clear. -Jéské  (v^_^v Detarder) 23:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: YTMND dead?

message: "Most YTMNDs are meant to expose or reflect the more inane facets of pop culture,"
-Is this NPOV? Or even really necessary? Qutorial (talk) 00:22, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: I've been out of the forum/YTMND loop lately. Can anyone tell me if the YTMND website, jokes and forums are still as popular as they were say in..2005-06? Thank you. Pithou (talk) 16:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still as popular? 

message: Just wondering should NEDM redirect to this page? After all what it stands for Not Even Doom Music does, what does anyone esle think? 82.148.70.2 (talk) 10:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Plenty of people have suggested this. None have been able to find a reliable source connects the letters "NEDM" or "Not Even Doom Music" to "We Interrupt This Program" or to YTMND. Every source that other editors have provided in the past has been either a blog, a forum, a publicly editable wiki, or something else that does not meet Wikipedia's guideline on reliable sources. For this reason, "NEDM" has been deleted several times. What's your reliable source? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 13:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your totally missing the point. The point is what NEDM stands for is protected from creation, while Not Even Doom Music redirects here, there still hasn't been explained why that is. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 17:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

text: We have an article about cruelty to animals, but none about this specific cruelty incident because the media haven't reported on it. Urban Dictionary is no more reliable than Everything2 or some random wiki. Find me a few reliable sources independent of YTMND that connect the letters "NEDM" to this incident, and I'll toss it in. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 03:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[NEDM]] 

message: My school blocks it as "illegal activity". Why? If it's illegal, shouldn't that be mentioned? 128.146.46.2 (talk) 16:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's probably something you need to take up with your school's network administrators and so on. If the site is actually deemed to be illegal, then there'll probably be a reliable source mentioning it, which is pretty much what matters when it comes to whether we mention it in the article or not. :) Dreaded Walrus  t c 17:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: content.ytmnd.com

message: Can anyone tell me why am I redirected here when I search for 'Nigga stole My Bike'? I was looking for source on this phrase, but I don't see anything related and I feel like I wasted 10mins of my life reading this article..
:"Nigga Stole My Bike" is a meme involving a cut scene from Punch-Out!! for Nintendo Entertainment System that originated on Something Awful and spread to YTMND. I'm guessing that it used to be in the Wikipedia article, but it got cut from the article for lack of coverage in mainstream media sources. For future reference, if anything else got cut from this article, it's probably on YTMND's official wiki. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 15:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nigga stole My Bike