Talk:Canadian Arab Federation

message: Please add info from the following articles to balance out the latest sections attacking the CAF. This article by Haroon Siddiqui is good  and this one by CAF president Khaled Mouammar should also be used.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.41.111 (talk) 04:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article slant

message: ===Allegations by Tarek Fatah===
In February 2009, Tarek Fatah, founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) sharply criticized the Canadian Arab Federation (CAF) in an article published in the National Post. Fatah, who received the CAF's highest award in December 2001, stated that the CAF's current leadership has turned the organization "into a mouthpiece for Hamas and Hezbollah in Canada." Fatah stated that the CAF used to sponsor debates on the pros and cons of the Oslo peace accord but today labels "any backer of the two-state solution [as] a traitor to the Muslim cause."Tarek Fatah: Stop funding fundamentalism by Tarek Fatah, National Post, February 20, 2009.
Fatah opened by sharply criticizing CAF President Khaled Mouammar for calling Immigration Minister Jason Kenney a "professional whore" because Mr. Kenney criticized the display of Hamas and Hezbollah flags at a CAF-backed protest rally. Fatah also claimed that the CAF also referred to Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff by the same label. Fatah also criticized Mouammar for sending out an email during 2006 Liberal party leadership campaign which stated that "[Bob] Rae's wife is a vice-president of the CJC [[[Canadian Jewish Congress]]], a lobby group which supports Israeli apartheid." Fatah also stated that Mouammar sent Muslim delegates a flyer that stated: "Bob Rae supports Israeli apartheid. Don't elect a leader who supports apartheid."
Fatah stated that CAF's vice-president in Ontario, Ali Mallah, referred to the Muslim Canadian Congress in an online forum as "house negros." He also claimed that Mallah sent out an e-mail message that was headlined: "Dion, Rae & Cotler: pro-Apartheid & anti-Human Rights." Fatah claimed the message also contained the flowing remarks: 
1 Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's handpicked human rights critic, Irwin Cotler, advises Israeli military officials on war planning, on how to spin the media following Israeli war crimes and on how to oppose Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights; 2 Dion's handpicked critic for foreign affairs and co-writer of the Liberal party platform, the unelected Bob Rae is a committee member of the Racist Jewish National Fund. As Israel's leading newspaper Ha'aretz reports: "it's well known that the 'national institutions' -- the Jewish Agency and Jewish National Fund -- primarily exist to enable institutional discrimination based on ethnicity."
Fatah also claimed that Mallah attacked him personally, claiming that he has "no shred of decency of integrity left" and claiming that he served "Zionist masters."
===Response from CAF Vice-President Ali Mallah===
In response to Fatah's article, CAF Vice-President Ali Mallah emailed a response to a large group of recipients. The National Post later posted it in its original form. In the message Mallah wrote that: 
Tarek Fatah has earned the the perfect description by Late Malcom X and prove to be a very loyal "house Negro".  In this desperate attempt to malign CAF on the pages of Zionist mouth piece National Post, he is saying one thing correct:  Yes, CAF awarded him that award, but that was when Tarek Fatah was cheating his way  through  and pretending to be pro-palestine, pro-social justice, pro-multiculturalism and Anti-Liberal Party...etc  (I am sure that every one knows this sell out, is fully aware of the shameless transformation of this sorry case of human being).  I admit that I was duped by his fake lies and nominated him for that award.  Now, since he is totally exposed and has no cloth left, He should return that Award as he does not deserve the honour associated with it.CAF vice-president attacks Cotler, Rae and the "zionist mouthpiece National Post" by Ali Mallah, Email Release (reprinted by the National Post), February 20, 2009.
 
Regarding Irwin Cotler and Bob Rae, Mallah wrote in the same message that:
As for Irwin Cotler, Who's been acting as special adviser to Israel's gov. in the last several years, even attending a high level [conference] in Herzliya to advise Israeli [officials] on how to counter, [academia], the media and public opinion re: Israel after summer 2006 War ([which] led to the Israel re-branding campaign). Here, the Video [for] all to see re: Canadian Liberal MP Irwin Cotler Advising Israeli Military Officials on War Planning.  As for Bob Rae, he is a committee member of the Jewish National Fund which was found by Israeli court to be a racist group and cheating [Palestinians] out of [their] lands.
*I don't think one op-ed by Tarek Fatah and the responses to it deserve this much coverage. In fact, I don't think it deserved any mention at all. Who cares what Fatah thinks about CAF, as expressed in one editorial in The National Post? Tiamuttalk 15:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed this

message: In response to Fatah's article, CAF Vice-President Ali Mallah emailed a response to a large group of recipients. The National Post later posted it in its original form. In the message Mallah wrote that: 
Tarek Fatah has earned the the perfect description by Late Malcom X and prove to be a very loyal "house Negro".  In this desperate attempt to malign CAF on the pages of Zionist mouth piece National Post, he is saying one thing correct:  Yes, CAF awarded him that award, but that was when Tarek Fatah was cheating his way  through  and pretending to be pro-palestine, pro-social justice, pro-multiculturalism and Anti-Liberal Party...etc  (I am sure that every one knows this sell out, is fully aware of the shameless transformation of this sorry case of human being).  I admit that I was duped by his fake lies and nominated him for that award.  Now, since he is totally exposed and has no cloth left, He should return that Award as he does not deserve the honour associated with it.CAF vice-president attacks Cotler, Rae and the "zionist mouthpiece National Post" by Ali Mallah, Email Release (reprinted by the National Post), February 20, 2009.
 
Regarding Irwin Cotler and Bob Rae, Mallah wrote in the same message that:
As for Irwin Cotler, Who's been acting as special adviser to Israel's gov. in the last several years, even attending a high level [conference] in Herzliya to advise Israeli [officials] on how to counter, [academia], the media and public opinion re: Israel after summer 2006 War ([which] led to the Israel re-branding campaign). Here, the Video [for] all to see re: Canadian Liberal MP Irwin Cotler Advising Israeli Military Officials on War Planning.  As for Bob Rae, he is a committee member of the Jewish National Fund which was found by Israeli court to be a racist group and cheating [Palestinians] out of [their] lands.
*I don't think one op-ed by Tarek Fatah and the responses to it deserve this much coverage. In fact, I don't think it deserved any mention at all. Who cares what Fatah thinks about CAF, as expressed in one editorial in The National Post? Tiamuttalk 15:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Response from CAF Vice-President Ali Mallah

message: **It deserves a mention because 1. Tarek Fatah is a promenient Canadian Muslim, 2. This was published in a major newspaper, and 3. The CAF responded to his accusations (the use of the term "house n____" is certainly an insult that was unexpected). This meets the requirements for Wikipedia. I also feel that you should discuss this before removing it. I will reinstate this soon based on the above points.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 18:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reinstating

message: Due to an edit war over the inclusion of a claim that Ali Mallah was videotaped assaulting a protestor, I've applied page protection to this article for a period of one week. This is not meant to be construed as an endorsement of either version of the article — but in my capacity as an administrator, it's my responsibility when such an edit war occurs to step in and get people to discuss the matter on the talk page rather than constantly reverting each other. 
The disputed claim is as follows: Its current Vice-President, Ali Mallah, was caught on film assaulting and threatening a counter-protestor at a Palestinian Solidarity protest. The source is a video clip on the Crossroads Television System website, credited to The Michael Coren Show. I don't mean to suggest that CTS in general is necessarily always an invalid source for Wikipedia — but the idea that Michael Coren is a reliable and objective source for something like this (or really for anything at all) is making my kidneys itch. Nor am I too clear on why the incident described would be notable or relevant enough to even be worth mentioning here anyway, even if Coren were actually a journalist rather than an opinion commentator. YMMV, I suppose, but this needs to be discussed rather than revert-warred. Bearcat (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This no longer seems to be an issue, but I will chime in anyway. I did a google news search and found no mention of this event. This leads me to believe it is not important enough to mention in the article. DigitalC (talk) 00:35, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute 

message: This article is absolutely atrocious.  It is not at all a balanced representation of what major news organizations have reported on the Canadian Arab Federation.  It relies overwhelmingly, on either the CAF and Khaled Muammar (whose press releases and articles are mined for cherry-picked quotes) and editorials from right-wing media in Canada.
In order to improve the article, we need to use a more balanced approach.  We need to stop overwhelmingly rely on articles from the National Post and Sun papers and use more mainstream sources (like Globe & Mail, CBC, Toronto Star, etc).
As it is, the article provides little information on CAF.  Instead it reads like an overwhelming amount of non-notable criticism of CAF's position on Israel/Palestine.Poyani (talk) 20:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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