Talk:Purple Aki

message: I'm surprised there's no mention of the death of the boy at New Brighton station.  Arobieke was convicted for playing some part in his death, and then won his appeal.  I can't remember the details, but I've seen the law report.  I'll try to find some citations.Thewilk 22:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not mentioned, because there are no citations. The boy in question, Gary Kelly, supposedly electrocuted himself in New Brighton Station while trying to hide from Arobieke under a train. Everyone seems to know the story, but no-one can produce a reliable citation - only forums and reposts of earlier versions of this article 80.93.170.99 18:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added it, with a citation to the law report.  Not sure if this is enough, if a link is needed there's one here http://sixthformlaw.info/02_cases/mod5/cases_assaults_actus.htm  Thewilk 19:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, thanks. 80.93.170.99 12:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Two things. One, yes Widnes is in Halton. But he was banned from Widnes, not from Halton. Leeds is in England, if I'm banned from entering Leeds that doesn't mean I'm banned from entering England. Secondly, no citation was provided to demonstrate that his ban from entering anywhere has been lifted - only the ban from 'touching muscles'. Marwood 10:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conviction and successful appeal

message: Why is this page up for deletion?--194.81.33.39 13:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i say move this to another categoryFOUR TILDES 17:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: Sorry, I have to remove tags. Not exact crime as tagged. Wish I had more time to research this case and apply correct tag. I hope someone else will do the research.--FloNight 20:21, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article at the moment is very confusing. It labels Arobieke as a sex offender, but he was convicted of no sex crime. It says he was convicted of sexual harassment (he wasn't) of hundreds, and then in the next sentence says he was convicted on only 15 counts of harassment and one count of intimidation. 80.93.170.99 12:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs research to find correct crime 

message: I think this article should be called Akinwale Arobieke and leave this page as a redirect.  Comments?Obina 14:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. 80.93.170.99 12:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I've removed this story from the article, as no citation has been provided,  and no 'Jacob Milroy' exists on the UK electoral role. A google search doesn't turn up anything with reference to Aki except this article. 80.93.170.99 14:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Jacob Milroy' 

message: I try to be careful when scanning for vandalism and this is a good example.  Looks unbelievable, made up, but true.  Want to trade this judge for a judge in Florida? Shenme 08:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't be too careful 

message: This article is practically impossible to maintain. Because of the nature of the subject matter, it's prone to vandalism from every idiot Scouser who thinks it is funny to put a comment saying that Arobieke abused their best mate/worst enemy and he/she enjoyed it. Surely it can be afforded from protection on this basis?? 80.93.170.99 18:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely, an encyclopaedia should be reporting the fact that myths exist (for which there is proof) rather than the content of the myths themselves (for which there is, as you say, none)? 80.93.170.99 17:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maintenance 

message: I have twice deleted the unsourced "Legend" section.  This is a biography of a living person and thus higher standards of sourcing apply.  I understand the difficulty in providing citations for urban legends, longstanding rumors, and other similar statements but that in way means that they can be added to this article without sufficient citations.  --ElKevbo 20:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there no way to distinguish the living person from the urban legend?  Must have very similar problems with Banksy.  Or, for that matter, the real Chuck Norris vs the Internet Chuck Norris.  76.10.128.105 (talk) 20:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced legend section

message: User:62.31.200.124 keeps removing a dead link from the 'history' section. I'm not going to revert the change again as I don't want to get into an edit war. If you're reading, 62.31.200.124, can you explain why you are removing the link? Marwood 12:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As you've taken the article down, then no-one is going to be reading the blog post anyway. I'll look for a replacement link and swap it out as soon as I find one. Is that okay? Marwood 12:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

text: That link is no good, as it is actually a copy of an earlier version of this article. We can't cite ourselves! Marwood 13:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, I've replaced it with some other citations. The whole section is very tentative and could well be on the wrong side of WP:BLP. Marwood 13:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war brewing

message: Some references to discussions about the Purple Aki legend were recently removed as B3ta.com seems to have been taken as an unreliable source. For the biographical information about Akinwale Arobieke (which should be subject to WP:BLP, I would agree. But for the folklore/mythology of "Purple Aki" (as distinct from the real life Arobieke), then I'd contend so-called webzines like B3ta are suitable references. Marwood 20:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you suggest a better reference for urban myths and stories of this sort? As a general rule, I'd absolutely agree that B3ta is not a reliable source. However, as a source supporting myths like Purple Aki it seems ideal. We're not using B3ta to support "facts" here, we're citing people telling the fanciful stories they heard from their childhood. These stories are the only reason Arobieke is notable enough for a WP article at all. Although in all honesty, I still think this article should be deleted. 80.93.170.99 (talk) 18:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "unsubstantiated references" 

message: November 14 Rklawton 15:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Current event

message: A precis of his past criminal record can be found in paras 44-57 of this court transcript from 2004. This is his appeal refusal relating to the 2003 conviction. 86.21.74.40 13:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past criminal record 

message: Man 'breached muscle-squeeze ban'. Nanonic (talk) 10:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest trial coverage 

message: I see these problems were raised above and ignored, but ignoring the problems doesn't fix the problem. Urban dictionary, some webzine, Youtube clips, etc. are not anything close to reliable sources. There wasn't a s ingle reliable source for any legend aspect. Claims that there are generally no reliable sources for legends and therefore bad sources must remain are simply false. Legends can be documented in newspapers, books, journals and other sources just like anything else. If none for these claims can be found, then the claims must be removed from the article, which I just did. Do NOT put them back without first finding sources that meet WP:RS. DreamGuy (talk) 21:01, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I disagree with your reasoning, the removal of the 'legend' section has wider implications for the article, specifically the issue of notability. The only notable thing about Arobieke is that he is the origin of "Purple Aki" myth. Indeed, this is the only reason that the article came through the AFD a couple of years ago. Without the Purple Aki myth, this article would not exist. However, as no reliable sources exist (or can be located) for the myth, we cannot establish notability and the article shouldn't be here at all. Marwood (talk) 14:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  (reference 3 in the article) refers to Arobieke as Purple Aki, considered to be a urban myth in north-west England. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 17:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While accurate, it is entirely possible that the comment was sourced from an earlier version of this page. Arobieke even alleged as much in his defense. Assuming this isn't the case, however, it still says nothing about the Purple Aki myth, other than the fact it exists. I'm still struggling to see how we can establish notability. Marwood (talk) 13:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We cannot asssume where that comment is sourced from.  An October 2006 article also mentions Purple Aki . --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 13:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources 

message: Shouldn't there be something in the page intro explaining exactly why this person is famous?--Phil5329 (talk) 00:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: Every single version of the Purple Aki legend that I have heard mentions that he was given his nickname because he is "so black he's purple".  I am going to include this hilarious fact in the article unless someone can suggest a sensible reason why I shouldn't. Anty (talk) 13:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You need a reliable source to back that up. --NeilN talk to me 13:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: How he got his name

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: He is dead so I think his death should be acknowledged. 82.132.187.145 (talk) 18:57, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jalen Folf (talk) 19:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: He is dead 2A00:23C6:9C61:8D01:8D9D:C2E:FCF0:1060 (talk) 11:49, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: And we should just believe you? Reports of this nature need to come from reliable sources. The best I've seen so far is a few AI-generated spam sites and speculation on forums. It's not enough. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:45, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 September 2023 

message: Change potentially dead to Very much alive. The story about Akinwale is click bait, Akinwale is very much alive and well apart from his property having damage due to a flood he is alive and well. (SOURCE - I am a (contractor) dealing with the damage to his property.) 2A00:23EE:12D0:A849:B4F9:DFFF:FE80:29BE (talk) 20:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that's somehow more believable than some of the 'sources' I've seen saying otherwise. In any case I've removed the "has been presumed dead" tag, as there's no reliable sources reporting such speculation. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:45, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 September 2023 

message: Why is this article so gigantic? This guy does not seem notable in any way, other than being really weird, and being (apparently falsely (?)) accused of being a pervert. I have just removed an entire section(!) of the article that detailed him getting a single traffic ticket in 2023 -- preposterous. jp×g🗯️ 04:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking through the sources here, trying to see what is even going on -- so what, they were sexual offenses? They weren't sexual offenses? It is really hard to figure out what the article is trying to say here. If they were not sexual offenses, we should be clear about this. At any rate, this seems like an extremely long article considering what facts exist about the guy. jp×g🗯️ 04:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP issues