Talk:Guantanamo Bay detainee uniforms

message: User:Finngall added a  to this article less than five minutes after it was started.
 and  both urge those nominating articles for deletion to give contribuitng wikipedians a grace period before they nominate an article for deletion -- because many wikipedians start articles in fits and starts.  
Even if the policies and procedures that surround   don't suggest that nominators give those who start articles a grace period I urge them to nevertheless grant a grace period.
I would further urge those making nominations to be responsible about the justification they use.
Finngall justification was "Non-encyclopedic original research"  This is not a clearcut justification, like "patent nonsense".  And, IMO, it is just not responsible to level this kind of accusation against a fist draft, five minutes after it was started.
IMO, because this is not a clearcut justification I think it is regrettable that the nominator chose to level accusations rather than initiate a dialog.
I have had conversations with other impatient wikipedians, who couldn't wait out a reasonable grace period before they nominated an article for deletion, speedy deletion, or .  Some of them have offered the lame excuse that complying with the policies recommendation to extend a grace period would make their
deletion efforts less efficient.  IMO, this is an unimaginative excuse.  I expect a technical solution to this would be trivial.  (1) Figure out a reasonable grace period; (2) then figure out a way to show those who patrol the recent changes, looking for new articles to nominate for deletion.  It should be trivial to figure out a way that can show article that are just old enough to have survived whatever we  all agreed should be the reasonable grace period.
Cheers!  Geo Swan 23:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added information, quotes and context, removed the PROD - I hate PRODs, seriously, as much as I hate AFDs, PRODs are worse.  Anyways, some images certainly seem to show scrubs rather than jumpsuits, just curious if that was a change after a certain date, or a misconception/misnomer, or whatever. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  23:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grace period?

message: The recent PBS documentary Torturing Democracy (http://www.torturingdemocracy.org/) states that in Arab countries, orange jumpsuits are reserved for prisoners condemned to death. If this fact can be independently confirmed it should be added to this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.19.218 (talk) 02:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sentenced to Death?

message: This article was renamed, without any prior discussion, from Guantanamo captives' uniforms to Guantanamo Bay detainee uniforms.
Even if, for the sake of argument, "detainee" was a more neutral term than "captive", the new title uses bad grammar.  If detainee was the better term the new title should have been "Guantanamo Bay detainees' uniforms".
I think the preceding extensive discussion established that many contributors to this article had thought about this issue and decided "captive" was, in fact, the more neutral term.  That makes this, at the very least, a controversial edit, one that should have been discussed first.  Geo Swan (talk) 18:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Detainee per previous discussions. Please accept community consensus - see also WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT Ad nauseam IQinn (talk) 23:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
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