Talk:Royal Grammar School Worcester

message: I've suggested that both the Royal Grammar School and the Alice Ottley School pages should be merged into the RGSAO page, as there is a great deal of duplicated information between the three pages. Petepetepetepete (talk) 12:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: merger

message: As an alumnus, I would like to point out that, during my stay there (1970-77), the school was state-funded and education was provided free of charge. To ignore this episode in the school's history seems somewhat pretentious, particularly so, given that many of the illustrated alumni attended during this era (for instance, Graham Robb, Tim Curtis and Imran Khan were my contemporaries). 
Geoff Mortimer
:It is not ignored. Please go to the RGSAO page, where a full history can be found. Dewarw (talk) 22:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History Section

message: Just seems to me to be a little esoteric; being American I'm fairly uninitiated to the English formal school system. Maybe something could be done there?
What, particular, would you like to see? I think to describe the English schoolin system would be beyond the remits of this page. Although perhaps a mention of its place in the system could be mentioned.--Wisden17 14:19, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: UK School System

message: I feel that this page would greatly benefit from having a few photographs of the school on it. I will try to provide these myself perhaps along with the help of Wisden17.
:This has now been achieved through my taking a camera into RGS last week. Thanks. --Newton2 14:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photographs

message: I think it is worth mentioning more about the grange site which is located north of the main RGS site in Worcester. This probably doesn't require its own article and therefore would make a useful contribution to this article.
--Newton2 13:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grange 

message: To tidy up the section on the school houses it may be worth inserting a table which contains the house name, colour (actually as a filled colour cell) and house master or basic info. This would make the article visually more appealing in my opinion and make it easier for people to reference.
--Newton2 13:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Houses 

message: The previous FAC failed among other because the lead was too short (one sentence). Now it won't make FA for a similar reason: the lead it too long (two huge paragraphs). The essence of the lead is to define the subject (one or two sentences) and then to summarize the article (another two or three sentence paragraph). And I think the Houses section can do with some copy-editing as well. Congratulation with GA! Up for FA. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 22:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommendation GA to FA 

message: Welcome to the schools project. Impressive page and an important school. Victuallers 12:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Welcome

message: A page has been created for the newly merged RGS Worcester and The Alice Ottley School. 81.158.2.82 17:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now altered and cut down on the article due to the merger. 86.146.232.132 18:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[RGS Worcester and The Alice Ottley School]] 

message: More details/ photos need to be added to this page about AO. Does anybody know of any? Btline 21:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AO Detail 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Rgsw.jpg

message: Please stop putting a list of "Past Pupils" (using the ones from the RGSW page).
No-one has left RGSAO yet! Btline (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are no past pupils currently, let alone any notable ones! 

message: Please see the discussion. Btline (talk) 20:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please help with any other info to be added. Removal of duplicated material, and of course, the old "double redirects!" Thanks, Btline (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: The "nearest lineal descendant" of the monastic school established c.AD 685 is surely King's, not the Grammar (or RGSAO). King's is the one next to the cathedral which leases cathedral buildings, which provides the cathedral choir, and several of whose staff and pupils are members of the cathedral foundation. King's was founded (or re-founded) by Henry VIII in 1541 specifically to replace the monastic school which he abolished. "New school" indeed? BartBassist (talk) 13:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: *Insert more pictures (preferably AO).
*Include more AO buildings/halls in the text.
*Complete the list of patrons and past pupils.
*Remove duplication!  Btline (talk) 20:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To do list for RGSAO 

message: Why are the pages for Alice Ottley and Royal Grammar School no longer in existence?  Surely the histories of these schools belong on these pages rather than on this one about a school which less than three years old.  I feel a far more concise history of the two schools and how the merger came about would be useful, but not the reams of details given here.  Also, why is there a list of past pupils, when none of them attended the school as is? Petepetepetepete (talk) 17:50, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the section on the house system is bizaarely long - do we really need such a detailed system, of what effectively are aritrary groups into which students are placed?  Also, what is with the pictures of the ties?  Are they not both the same?  I really don't think we need such a detailed history of this, it detracts from the wider quality of the article. Petepetepetepete (talk) 21:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We have already been there and tried that. It didn't work. All the info on the RGS or AO pages was duplicated on one or more of the other pages. It is better for all the info about all three schools to be on one article. Re the house info. The houses are important traditions of the school. Some of the ex RGS houses are 100 years old this year. To remove the houses would mean that the page would not represent the progression of the school(s). By all means, trim parts down - but info about both origonal schools, and their houses should, in my opinion, be kept. Regards, Btline (talk) 11:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just  to  reproduce my  earlier comment: In-depth histories of each school are probably outside the scope of this article that is essentially about RGSAO as it is today, after the merger. Although I don't personally advocate creating extra articles willy-nilly, perhaps separate articles about RGS & AO which lead up to their merger, may be a solution to consider. A very brief history of each school could then be included in the RGSAO article with links to the main articles about them.  --Kudpung (talk) 02:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Both schools are notable in their own right, as is the new school.  I will get to work on creating seperate articles asap.  I'm concerned that there may be something of an agenda in wishing to emphasise the continuitiy and tradition between the historic schools and the school today, but this is unhelpful. Petepetepetepete (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: we'll see... it has to be better than the current situation.  The list of patrons to a school which was formed in 2007 includes Queen Victoria. Petepetepetepete (talk) 20:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content 

message: I have not been privvy to previous discussion about the merger of this school and this article, but it is clear to me that as things stand there is some sorting out to do here.
# There are separate articles about the same (see below) school: this article (RGS Worcester) and also the one at Royal Grammar School Worcester.
# Despite the separate articles, the discussion page is common to both: the talk page at Talk:Royal Grammar School Worcester is just a redirect to here.
This separation of articles seems to have come about because of a merger between this school and another, as if the new combined school was unrelated to the original. But that is not how it generally works: when a company absorbs another it is not wound up and restarted, it just gets bigger. I see no evidence that this is an exception: the school's current website shows past pupils going back before the merger which clearly indicates that it is a continuation of the same school that it was before.  Furthermore, the school's website calls itself both RGS Worcester and Royal Grammar School Worcester. Separate articles is both confusing and aparrently wrong. I propose to merge the contents of this article back into Royal Grammar School Worcester and turn this into a redirect.
RichardOSmith (talk) 18:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As no objections have been received, I am going ahead with the merge. RichardOSmith (talk) 08:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. RichardOSmith (talk) 09:13, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal Feb 2011 

message: Since February 2008 this page has been a redirect to Talk:RGS Worcester and that page consequently contained discussion about both articles. I have merged the content to here; to see update info during that time you need to look at that page's history. If this becomes a problem then an admin can merge the page histories but as it is a discussion page with signed contributions I did not consider it necessary. RichardOSmith (talk) 09:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page history 

message: What has happened to all the new information on this page. The merger of this article (about the original RGS Worcester) with the article about the new school has meant a lot of details are out of date:
*the house system - completely wrong
*alumini - misses all the ex-AO pupils
*buildings - misses the ex-AO buildings
I support the merging of the articles but can someone tidy this up please? A *lot* of effort was done on my part a few years ago to get the article up to date and it has been completely undone! Regards, Btline (talk) 22:57, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of date! 

message: Why no mention of its time as a, partly state funded, grammar school? I think it was one from the 40s to 1974. My father was there in the late 40s - early 50s.
RBlockhead (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar School 

message: This is one of the junior branches and there does not seem anything notable about it. Better merged with the senior school. Tacyarg (talk) 23:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why these shouldn't be merged. I'll work on it now. MBihun (talk) 18:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

text: This has been merged. MBihun (talk) 18:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[RGS Springfield]] into [[Royal Grammar School Worcester]] 

message: This is one of the junior branches and there does not seem anything notable about it. Better merged with the senior school. Tacyarg (talk) 23:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why these shouldn't be merged. I'll work on it now. MBihun (talk) 18:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

text: This has been merged. MBihun (talk) 18:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[RGS The Grange]] into [[Royal Grammar School Worcester]]