Talk:Lucy Walter

message: I am reverting this edit by Elirets with the editorial comment "I have indicated what are conflicts of data in several paragraphs. Since I own the copyright for MacAll's Brown, Beautiful and Bold, I grant free use of it solely to this specific article in Wikipedia."
The reasons for the revert are varied and I intend to list them:
*A footnote "Lucy Walter is often spoken of incorrectly ..." was changed to "Lucy Walter is often spoken of incorrectly (ref. needed) ...", this is a quote from the source at the end of the quotation so "" is meaningless
*I have remove the rest of the additions to the article because they come from a self published source and because of the tone used. For example there is a quote from the ODNB (which is a  21st century source) in the lead. The edit I am reverting added "Most outstanding of these so-called straws are several surviving" which implies that there is a academic debate published in a peer reviewed historical journal which criticise the ODNB  (a not infrequent occurrence), but instead the supporting citation is from a self-published source:
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CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform states:
Self-published sources are not considered a reliable source on Wikipeida and can not be used to support text. This is laid out in a section of the verifiability policy (see WP:SELFPUBLISH). So I am removing the other comments, some of which may be supportable by using conventional reliable secondary sources but Elirets please read WP:PSTS regarding the use of primary sources to support points of view in a Wikipedia article. -- PBS (talk) 13:46, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Just in case there's any doubt, that is quite definitely not a reliable source. Brat All gets no hits in JSTOR, Scholar or WorldCat (where searching for the ISBN also gives no result); nor even in a Google web search. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:45, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Self-published sources

message: With regards to the the question posed at WP:RSN about whether the view expressed here is representative. Here are two more modern biographies from  tertiary sources that in no way contradict this article:
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-- PBS (talk) 14:41, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Other sources

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message: In A History of the English-Speaking Peoples, Vol.2 (p. 281 in my paperback edition), Churchill states:
'Nevertheless, the legend of the "black box" has persisted, and in our own time we have been told how a Duke of Buccleuch, descended from the unfortunate Monmouth, discovered and destroyed, as dangerous to the monarchy, the marriage certificate of Lucy Waters.'
I have been unable to discover any trace of this story. Does anyone know anything further?
Paul Magnussen (talk) 17:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Page 14 of James, Duke of Monmouth by Bryan Bevan seems to have a story about this: Bernard Burke claimed he heard from the Duke of Abercorn that the Duke of Buccleuch had been going through papers at Dalkeith and had found the certificate. There's also something on pages 27-28 of The Mistresses of Charles II by Brian Masters (saying it was found at Montagu House in 1879 in an old black box) and page 105 of Lucy Walter by Lord George Scott (talking abut the claim that the 5th Duke found and destroyed the certificate) but I can only see snippets on google books. DrKay (talk) 21:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage again