Talk:Hermes

message: Discordances wikipedia Anglais & Français "Hermès est le dieu de ..." ==
I started in the french wikipedia and I don't have time/energy anymore to translate everything. So here's a dump of what you find in the french wikipedia.
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cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes "Hermès est le dieu 
# du commerce, ok
# de l'héraldique, 
# des marchands, - c'est la même choses que "commerçants" ?
# du commerce,  - c'est la même choses que "commerçants" ?
# des routes, - c'est la même choses que "gardien des routes et carrefours" ?
# des voleurs, ok
# des ruses, 
# des sports, 
# des voyageurs et - ok
# des athlètes."
cf. français; "Il est 
# le messager des dieux, 
# donneur de la chance, 
# inventeur des poids et des mesures, 
# gardien des routes et carrefours, - c'est la même choses que "des routes" ?
# dieu des voyageurs, 
# des commerçants, ok
# des voleurs, ok
# des orateurs et 
# des prostituées. "
Nr	Header text	Header text	Header text
1 	Example    	Example    	Example
Nr	English wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes                 	French wikipedia https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herm%C3%A8s                 	Conclusion/Commentaires brefs
1 	commerce, ok                                                           	# des commerçants                                                          	c'est la même choses ?
2 	héraldique                                                             	Example                                                                    	Example
3 	marchands                                                              	# des commerçants                                                          	c'est la même choses que "commerçants" ?
4 	routes, - c'est la même choses que "gardien des routes et carrefours" ?	gardien des routes et carrefours, - c'est la même choses que "des routes" ?	Example
1 	voleurs, ok                                                            	# des voleurs                                                              	Example
1 	ruses,                                                                 	Example                                                                    	Example
1 	sports,                                                                	Example                                                                    	Example
1 	# voyageurs - ok                                                       	# dieu des voyageurs,                                                      	Example
1 	des athlètes                                                           	Example                                                                    	Example
1 	Example                                                                	messager des dieux                                                         	Example
# 	Example                                                                	chance (donneur de la..)                                                   	Example
# 	Example                                                                	poids et des mesures (inventeur des..)                                     	Example
# 	Example                                                                	orateurs                                                                   	Example
14	Example                                                                	prostituées                                                                	Example
SvenAERTS (talk) 10:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hermes is the god of ... - Comparison / assist to merging the french and english wikipedia versions 

message: I'm a girl, so I wouldn't understand, but... Why are there lumps all over the penis of the statue? Dragonlover21 (talk) 18:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Most likely an attempt at representing pubic hair.  Also  talk pages are for suggestions for article improvement, not general discussion forums.  You don't need to comment on discussions that were over months or years ago.  Ian.thomson (talk) 21:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um... 

message: Hello sir. Don't you think that this equivalent Is nonesense because Odin doesn't fits with Hermes.Zeus would be better rather than the trickster. Who says that Odin Is a trickster? 79.131.163.115 (talk) 14:35, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello IP editor. The idea of equating Odin to Hermes is not ours, it was apparently the Romans who made the connection, or so argues Jens Peter Schjødt of Aarhus University. You can download his work on this matter by following this link. Girth Summit (blether) 14:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

text: It's not our idea that, for example, dies Mercurii is called Wednesday. —Tamfang (talk) 00:36, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equivalents 

message: An editor has just removed Odin from the infobox, along with the supporting link to Jens Peter Schjødt's chapter on scholarly equivalence: "Mercury – Wotan – Óðinn: One or Many?" linked just above. I was about to undo the removal,  absent any form of edit summary, then noticed the question mark in the linked title and decided it might be more helpful to read the linked work, from beginning to end.
Schjødt does not support the equivalence of Hermes with Odin. He mentions the essentially Greek Hermes exactly twice (and not in connection with Odin) during a speculative exploration of the scholarly limits and historic shortfalls of such comparisons. His subject is an essentially Roman Mercury, not Hermes. They are not the same. There is no evidence for Hermes as contact, influence or equivalent to any figure in Norse religion or myth. Odin's own development and identity are strongly disputed in modern scholarship, as is "well known by all scholars dealing with Old Norse religion or mythology." Infoboxes are supposed to summarise what's essential, sure and certain in the scholarship; which this is not. The editors of the Odin article make no such claim regarding Hermes. They also seem to avoid using infoboxes. Haploidavey (talk) 07:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this. We should certainly not be asserting that Odin is the Norse equivalent of Hermes! This would seem to come from the simplistic (and false) assumption that since Mercury is "equivalent" to Hermes, and Mercury is "equivalent" to Odin (via the "equivalence" of Wotan and Odin?) then that must mean that Odin is equivalent to  Hermes. In my opinion this whole concept of "equivalence" between gods is too nuanced, speculative, simplistic and misleading to be part of the infobox at all.  I would go farther and opine that the whole discussion of a possible relationship between Mercury and Odin in the section "In the Roman period" while interesting should be removed as too off-topic and misleading (at best). Paul August ☎ 12:01, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes indeed; if A looks like B, and B looks like C, so A must look like C and they all belong in the infobox. I've come across several attempts to justify the infobox inclusion of such "equivalents" by adding speculative, digressive, off-topic material to the article body, seemingly supported but with the most tenuous connections (even amounting to original research). There's a lot of it strewn about in the G&R field, and it's not at all helpful. I'm probably also guilty in this. The whole article has a difficult, indisciplined history and needs careful attention. The Roman period material really needs a clean-up; that "Mercury/Hermes" is troubling. Haploidavey (talk) 12:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Various well-meaning editors have imported google-translations from Portuguese and French sources (possibly others, over a decade or two), which could probably do with checking.  Haploidavey (talk) 13:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thanks for this. I'd have liked to follow up by removing Odin from the Hermes equivalents in Interpretatio graeca#Cross-cultural equivalencies, but that table's criterion is  (my emphasis), so it has Hermes -> Mercury -> Odin. It's all rather redolent of The Key to All Mythologies. NebY (talk) 19:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Around and around it goes... appropos of not very much, I'd love to have met Eliot. "Middlemarch" is superb, eh? Alas, all I have is a twisted screenplay vision of Viking Eric (Kirk Douglas, of course) en route to Valhalla, done to a glorious death by Tony Curtis' blunt sword and calling for "H...e...r...m...e...s!!!!" Haploidavey (talk) 08:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: <Snort> NebY (talk) 21:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equivalents? 

message: Hi I think Loki should be his Norse equivalent because their both tricksters and beardless, Loki is the only beardless god in the Norse pantheon. Ghost Cacus (talk) 17:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If a reliable scholarly source says he's equivalent, then we can say he's equivalent. We can't reason these things through and draw conclusions based on our own opinions. Please read the message at the top of this and every other talk-page. Haploidavey (talk) 18:10, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loki as norse equivalent 

message: My dad  took this photo of Hermes winged sandals. I convinced him it would be good for Wikipedia but was too shy to add it to the article himself so I did it on his behalf. I believe this is considered meatpuppeting (which I explained to my boomer dad to his amusement) so I'm disclosing for fair play etc. jengod (talk) 21:38, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winged sandals - meatpuppet confession