Talk:Brisk tradition and Soloveitchik dynasty

message: Considering Yitzchak Zev Soloveitchik and Chaim Soloveitchik now have pages, how about condensing their biographies here and creating new pages for the Beis ha-Levi and Reb Moshe Soloveitchik? JFW | T@lk 11:23, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Condensing bios

message: At the end of the article there are two examples of Brisker lomdus. They are unsourced, and unless someone adds the source we have a WP:CITE problem. JFW | T@lk 13:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're taka right. Maybe you should take it upon yourself to put that together. I don't have the resources/knowledge to do it. --Rachack 03:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples of Lomdus 

message: Somebody added R' Chaim Volozhiner; could they please explain his connection to the Soloveitchiks?  Right now it looks very much out of place.
:there are descendants of rav chaim volozhiner --Rachack 19:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: --Rachack 03:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rav Chaim Volozhiner

message: Unless somebody justifies why this article has a clean-up tag attached to it, I will soon remove the tag because I don't see any problems with the article. --רח"ק | Talk 20:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is messy in everything from arbitrary content emphasis (e.g. this should be an article on either the yeshivas or the dynasty - not both) to the title name (Brisk (Yeshiva) or Brisk (Dynasty) would be more appropriate) to unconventional naming (e.g. "Rabbi Joseph Dov (HaLevi) Soloveitchik (the first) (1820-1892) who is known by his pen name for his work the Beis HaLevi"; "the 'GRYZ' "; and so forth). See Wikipedia:Manual of Style for more information. Also, using transliterating "ת" as "s" doesn't conform to Wikipedia's standard transliteration conventions for Hebrew (regardless of how Briskers themselves pronounce the letter). HKTTalk 22:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: People don't normally refer to the Beis HaLevi as "Rabbi Joseph Dov (HaLevi) Soloveitchik (the first)". I added the tag to increase the likelihood of the article being improved. And "obviously," you would be surprised at how familiar I am with Brisk. Nevertheless, if you want to remove the tag, I don't care enough to contest it. HKTTalk 20:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: HKT: It would be great if you could contribute your own knowledge, and editing skills, in improving such an important article that you admit you know so much about! After all, who do you expect will come along and "improve" the article?, only someone who has a real education about the facts involved. Best wishes, IZAK 09:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Content-wise it doesn't need many additions, and many editors could improve the article as needed. The tag would invite them to do so. Unfortunately, I don't currently have the time for this. HKTTalk 17:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up tag 

message: This bio is about Brisk Yeshivas.  RIETS is not a Brisk Yeshiva.  His name should not be included for this reason. 66.93.254.200 16:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I responded to your comment on my talk page, but I want to reiterate the point here that if the article is to be changed, the discussion must come first. --Eliyak T·C 15:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RYBS 

message: Not very pressing (and not related to the above discussion), but could someone with access to the various Seforim mentioned (GraCh Al HaRambam vs. GraCh al HaShas 'stencil', etc.) clarify the following please?  Most Briskers published very little themselves; most was done by students in their name.  (E.g. Igros HaGrid and Harrei Kedem both certainly contain RYBS' Torah, but both were collected and published by others.)  Now it's fine to include both, but we should indicate the distinction.  If I'm not mistaken (though I am away from my usual Seforim library), for example, R' Moshe did himself publish the Imrei Moshe, but not the Chidushei HaGram VehaGrid.  Does this make sense?  TLMD13 14:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Woops!  I am so embarrassed ... (in Grover voice) ... thanks for pointing that out!  But I think the point remains, we may want to draw the distinction between actually published by Rabbi ABC and put together by his talmidim bishmo, posthumously.  Regardless, oops and thanks!  TLMD13 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Seforim details

message: I've seen discussion elsewhere about R' Ahron spelling his surname without the 't'; does anyone have a source for R' Moshe or R' Shmuel?  I'm not challenging this, just curious.  And should we explain the difference in spelling, or just assume readers will either not notice, or understand that there were different spellings?  TLMD13 14:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: Thought it was a good demonstration of the point, and hopefully understandable to a novice.  (R' Rakefet used this one soon after introducing Brisk lomdus.)  Let me know if you think it's really out of place.  TLMD13 10:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maaseh with R' Velvel, Dina D'alma, etc.

message: I wrote that "the views of R' Chaim and the Bais HaLevi on ...education" are topics of current debate.  Since then, I found out that R' Chaim told one talmid he could take a job on Shabbos to get out of Nazi-controlled territory, as it was pikuach nefesh; but he told a different talmid he could not take a scholarship at YU to get out of Europe, because the minus/apikorsus is yehareg v'al ya'avor.  From other stories I've heard, it sounds like R' Chaim's only concern was minus/apikorsus.  (Which I assume would refer potentially to classics, literature e.g. New Testament, some forms of philosophy, and Bible criticism and the like; college then, including YU, is not college now, including YU.)  Just as I wrote, R' Chaim Brisker had been anti-JNF, but that was pre Holocaust and 48, so who knows ... you could make the case, R' Chaim would have nothing against, say, a Touro or something where all they teach is computer programming, I don't know.  The question I'm putting out here, regardless, is l'shem emes, should I (or someone else) include something about R' Chaim being anti-college?  TLMD13 10:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, will try and get to that soon b'n.  Not "this table has dinei cow", but get down and milk it!  Thank you.  TLMD13 19:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: R' Chaim Brisker & college

message: I think this topic has come up before a bit, but let's face it here.  While academic Judaics (e.g. "Tradition") generally favors a sephardic-like pronunciation, clearly R' Yosef Dov of Brisk called his Sefer "Beis HaLevi", not "Beit HaLevi."  Furthermore, my guess right now would be that 90% of the disciples of the "Israeli" Briskers, and probably about 60% of disciples of "American" Briskers (R' Ahron & R' Yoshe Ber) use havora ashkenazis.  So I quoted R' Chaim Brisker's vort on Panim Chadashos; certainly R' Chaim would say Chadoshos, not Chadashot -- what should we use here?  Thought it should go up for discussion before allowing an anon user to change it.  TLMD13 18:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hebrew transliterations: Ashkenozis or Sefardit?

message: The anon IP editor copied in a sentence about R' Yoshe Ber's synthesis with modern knowledge (or something to that effect).  That sentence came from Rabbi Soloveitchik's own page, and I wouldn't argue about its content.  Just felt that it didn't flow well with this article here (and gave too much information when we already have a page about him); the controversy over this is referenced towards the bottom of this page, anyhow.  But if you really think it belongs, nu, let's talk about it here.  TLMD13 18:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted extra "synthesis" sentence on R' Yoshe Ber

message: The expression 'Brisk yeshivas' in the article is more or less meaningless. Brisk has no yeshivas in the conventionally understood sense. (Thus acceptance criteria are also not very meaningful.)  Members of the Soloveichik family run a beis medrash program to whose members they give a shiur. Admission to the shiur is at the personal discretion of the rosh yeshiva giving the shiur. Each Brisker 'yeshiva' learns in an assigned beis medrash  (they don't have their own buildings).  The section needs tidying up. --Redaktor 17:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brisk yeshivas 

message: I had written that R' Velvel opposed a secular Zionist state; anon. IP said no, he opposed ANY Zionist state.  I believe that depends how we define "Zionist": can we agree that R' Velvel said shmoneh esrei and therefore believed in some sort of eventual Jewish self-rule?  So we can leave it as "opposed a secular Zionist state", or switch it to "opposed a Zionist state prior to Moshiach coming" or the like ... any other suggestions?  I'm open to ideas (please, discuss first!) on this, but for starters, I'm reverting to the original "opposed a secular Zionist state."  TLMD13 13:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  R' Velvel's anti-Zionism 

message: I'm very impressed by the learning in this article.  But don't we need a shorter article under another title, giving the differences between all the different methods: Brisker, Telz, Mir etc.?  I'm afraid I haven't the learning to provide this. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) 15:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other derachim 

message: Anon. IP deleted the story about R' Chaim signing the wedding invitation, and instead focused on the split between Brisk America and Brisk Israel today.  I think any material about the earlier generations is important and should be retained.  Furthermore, the phrasing used here was rather Rabbi Joseph-Dov-centered -- which is fine for his own page, but I think a bit too much for a page regarding all things Brisk.  Also worth mentioning (though not necessarily here) is the distinction made between Mesechtos/Perakim that pertain to the Halachic process as we see it today (Berachos, most of Moed), and the more "theoretical" Kodshim/Nezikin/Taharos.  Lastly, there's the distinction of what education is proper for most women, vs. what to do with those who go out and ask for it -- while yes most Israeli Briskers are into everything Haredi, what about the Brisker Rebbetzins/daughters themselves?  I've heard that Rebbetzin Lifsha Feinstein, Shlit"s (R' Velvel's daughter) can quote you one Gemara after another about how women don't know how to learn!  In light of all this, I'm going to to restore the invitation story (said over in Queens at R' Yoshe Ber's tenth yahrtzeit) and edit the remaining commentary.  Please discuss this here before making more changes.  TLMD13 16:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feminism 

message: The article says Soloveitchik is Polish for nightingale. This is likely to be partially false, since the Polish-language cognate of that surname is słowiczek ("slovitchek", diminutive from proper słowik). Sołowiejczik is almost certainly Eastern Slavic, such as Russian or perhaps Belarussian.— 6birc (talk) 19:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of ''Soloveitchik'' 

message: I don't understand the bit in the article about crushing soda cans.  Can someone explain it? thanks. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, every plate, glass, pan etc needs immersion in a mikveh before you use it for the first time.  I suppose the point here is that something disposable and easily crushed is exempt from this requirement; so by crushing the can after use they are confirming in their own minds that it was OK from the beginning.  But that's just my guess. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 08:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  crushing soda cans?