Talk:Clementine

message: From my research, there is no proof that the French monk developed the clementine.  He may have simply found it and spread it to Europe.  There are claims that it originated in China.  Perhaps the wording of this article should be changed.
Mothperson 20:31, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell, a Clementine is the same thing as a Mikan. And Mikans came from japan. Fresheneesz 20:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This page  says that a mikan is a mandarin (Citrus reticulata). The clementine is listed on that page as a cultivar. Given that "clementines are becoming the most important commercial mandarin variety" (see Mandarin orange#Varieties and characteristics, which also says that some mandarin varieties are crosses with other citrus), I suspect that the use of mikan for clementine is essentially a substitution of the general for the more specific. Therefore, it is not this page (clementine) that mikan should be merged with, but rather the mandarin orange page. See also , which is a lot less fuzzy than Wikipedia's mandarin, clementine, and mikan articles. -- Justinbb 03:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No proof

message: Anyone have a sourse on the popularity of Clementines? I knew that they only renctly became widely available in the U. S., but as near as I can tell they're very popular, in which case mention of that should probably be made. But I don't have any sourse besides my own observations. Snowboardpunk
:I live in Kentucky, and I can tell you, people are nuts for these things, due to their sweet taste and easy peeling. Something in the article should be written about this fact and properly cited. Veracious Rey t • c • r 03:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad, did not made till the end of the page on the first read... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.67.65.34 (talk) 22:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity 

message: To me, it seems the word nectar and juice is mixed up here. I think the word juice is more appropriate as nectar is produced by flowers to attract insects. I presume this is not the case here. But English is not my mother tongue, so I don’t feel I’m the one who should correct this.
no it doesnt mater they should use correct words t make the whole sentance sound inteligent ±clementyn 19:12,03 oct 2006
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The word nectar, like many words in the English language, has more than one meaning or connotation.  In addition to "the sweetish liquid in many flowers", it also means "any very delicious beverage" (Webster's New World College Dictionary).  In some instances, a popular use of nectar distinguishes beverages that are made up from a puree, such as apricot nectar or peach nectar (although tomato juice is more of a puree).  The english language is not consistent, but hopefully this will help you through some of the variations that make it such a living and rich language.--SourceIt (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nectar 

message: I fixed the page so that it doesn't contains links to .. like.. seeds and stuff. Links are supposed to help someone understand the articles topic better. Please do NOT link to anything and everything that may or may not have an article. Fresheneesz 20:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridiculous amount of links 

message: Similar to another observation, while reading this article and eating a clementine I realized that mine had 13 segments, rather than the 8-12 mentioned in this article. Is this just some crazy mutation, or is this common? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShortLifeLived (talk • contribs) 05:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just eaten a clementine with 15 segments. Maybe the sentence should be alterted to reflect the fact that this is an estimated number of segments. Also, this could need a source. HKH28 (talk) 11:59, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed about the source question. IMO it always needed one, but my brief survey found nothing. On the other hand, there is always WP:BLUE. --Lexein (talk) 14:40, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Segments 

message: Why are people chumming this article?  That's twice I've reverted here, and other editors have had to as well.  Grr. Lexein 10:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abuse 

message: I deleted the statement "Clementines are awesome" from the article. While I completely agree, such opinion doesn't belong in an encyclopedic article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.42.118 (talk) 23:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit info 

message: The article says they are "medium-sized" citrus but I would say they are "small." Clementines are often smaller than a lemon. A pomelo is "very large," a grapefruit is "large," a navel orange, tangerine, or tangelo is "medium," a clementine, lemon, or lime is "small," and a Key lime is "very small." Badagnani (talk) 07:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree with you on this, however there must be an official and widely used way to rank the size of citrus fruit. -- carol 16:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Medium" or "small"? 

message: Example:
Clementine                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	http://lib.ucr.edu/agnic/webber/Vol1/Chapter4.html#clementine
Known for its low total heat requirement for fruit maturity and the sensitivity of the seedless fruit to unfavorable conditions during the flowering and fruit-setting period; in regions of high total heat, the Clementine matures very early—only slightly later than the satsuma mandarins. Such regions also favor production of fruit of maximum size and best eating quality. As a consequence, Clementine is without doubt the best early variety in the Mediterranean basin, particularly in North Africa, and in other regions of similar climate.	Climatically, the distinctive features of the Clementine variety are its low total heat requirement for fruit maturity and the sensitivity of the seedless fruit to unfavorable conditions during the flowering and fruit-setting period.  In regions of high total beat, the Clementine matures very early—only slightly later than the satsuma mandarins.  Such regions also favor production of fruit of maximum size and best eating quality.  As a consequence, Clementine is without doubt the best early variety in the Mediterranean basin, particularly in North Africa, and is highly promising in other regions of similar climate.
I've reverted back to the last (hopefully) copyvio-free version. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Going up in directories on the Citrus Industry page leads to no copyrights on the on-line book/pamphlet.  However, it is contained in a directory Copyright 1999 University of California.  --Blechnic (talk) 21:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to be certain: As I understand it, material created for or by the U.S. government is out of copyright, but this does not mean that all material on a governmental server was created for the government, making it at best uncertain. =/  In any case, exact quoting from that source is very extensive in CarolSpears' version, removing all of it would remove most of the article content. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvios 

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message: Here are two images I removed from the article that can be added back later when the article is expanded. Rkitko (talk) 11:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: i have heard rumors and i believe that a Clementine is a hybrid between Tangarines and Oranges, is this true?
: The article says it's "a hybrid between a Mediterranean Citrus ×deliciosa and a sweet orange", citing two sources. However Mandarin orange says the clementine is "a hybrid between a mandarin orange and a sweet orange", citing a different source. Citrus ×deliciosa is said in its article to be mandarin × pumelo, once thought to be pure mandarin; that latter fact may account for the discrepancy. In any case the contradictory information needs to be reconciled. As for tangerines, they may or may not be genetically the same as mandarins. 24.59.86.60 (talk) 21:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hybrid? 

message: I learned of Clementines while stationed in Germany in the late 1980's.  The Germans markets, at least, clearly referred to them as Clementine.  I even purchased a book there to help me learn the names of the different foods; it has a very good section on citrus fruits where Clementine is clearly explained and distinquished.  (Gut eingekauft: Ein Wegweiser durch die Welt der Lebensmittel.)  The book has gone through two revisions since I purchased it and is still available.--SourceIt (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming in Germany 

message: In theory, a navbox for citrus would be nice. Discussion will help. Shall User:Theospence explain the design reasoning, and User:Rkitko explain the revert? --Lexein (talk) 00:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No need for a long discussion. Simple case of User:Theospence either copy & pasting the code from  or substituting the template. We don't include the full template code here in the article, so I reverted. Further, this article was not mentioned in the navbox, and navboxes don't belong on articles that are not linked to. Having said that, I think this article could be included in . I'll go ahead and do that now. However, my general hatred of navboxes (they have the annoying habit of gathering enormous amounts of links, rendering them relatively useless, while cluttering the bottom of the article) prevents me from inserting it into this article. Someone else can do that. Rkitko (talk) 01:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the concise summary. I likely would not include that particular one either - it seems out of scale for this article, compared to some relatively tidy navs elsewhere.  --Lexein (talk) 02:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navbox 

message: Most sources say that the clementine came to exist because of accidental hybridization, with the first fruits discovered by Father Clément Rodier in the garden of his orphanage in Misserghin, Algeria. However, there are claims it originated in China much earlier; one source describes it as nearly identical to the Canton mandarin widely grown in the Guangxi and Guangdong provinces in China.
This seems a bit like editorializing, and is certainly not what I'm used to seeing on Wikipedia. It seems far too biased in my opinion towards the claim in the first sentence, and the wording almost seems to slam the person whose book is cited after the second sentence. It does show the proper uncertainty for the second sentence, but it seems to show skepticism to the point it seems to want to make the reader not want to believe it for an ounce of its worth. This wording seems like something I would expect a group like CNN or BBC to put in terms of trying to give background on a major current conflict, and even then, they (in this case, BBC) have been noticeably less biased than this. impinball (talk) 18:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to propose a better version here. It will be less likely to provoke an edit war here than in the article. --Lexein (talk) 19:57, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second paragraph in the article introduction 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I am not entirely comfortable with this section.  Most global mandarin production is not clementine, and so in prominently presenting figures for all mandarins (even with the caveat that it also includes mandarins and others, as if they were a minor component) grossly inflates the importance of clementines, while also skewing the rank order of production. I suspect that were this limited to clementines the production numbers for China would drop precipitously, while those for Spain and Morocco would be less affected. Agricolae (talk) 18:24, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It all boils down to reliable secondary sources. If there's a better one, let's use it. It's a fine line to segregate clementines from mandarins for production data, which is why the FAO combines them. --Zefr (talk) 18:28, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but if the numbers aren't for clementines, it is inherently misleading, so I am not a fan of leaving it alone unless/until we find better stats. Just as the coverage in US sources might give the false impression that the US is a major producer, the use of broader mandarin figures gives the false impression that China produces more clementines than the rest of the world combined - knowingly highlighting misleading numbers not only with text but a big table, just because we can't find good ones, is not the best solution.  At a minimum it should be rephrased, toned down and putting the emphasis firmly on these being mandarin numbers only a small part of which for some countries represent clementines.  Agricolae (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Please offer an edit draft here for discussion. --Zefr (talk) 20:21, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As you probably noticed, I took a first step of making grouping more prominent and explicit, rather than being an aside or footnote.  It is still a little misleading though (again, I highly doubt China is the major producer of Clementines, their number likely representing mostly mandarins, satsumas, and hybrids).  That being said, I looked and couldn't find any data that weren't either too old or for just one nation.  Agricolae (talk) 02:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production stats 

message: I propose that Clementine del Golfo di Taranto be merged into Clementine. The former seems largely to be a duplication of the latter. Gjs238 (talk) 14:26, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Support - I don't see there being enough unique to say about this particular variety to justify an independent article (that wouldn't be largely duplication). Better a section (or less) here. Agricolae (talk) 14:35, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

text: Support - I don't see why not; the latter is more or less identical to the former. If I were able to move pages, I would do so right away myself without question.Bored history geek (talk) 21:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: One would simply need to copy the text from the Golfo de Taranto page and replace it with a Redirect, then put some part of it on the Clementine page.  None of this requires a page move.  The only trick is there are some specific rules one must follow regarding the process of the copy and paste, specific edit summaries and talk page markers to indicate what has been done - see: Wikipedia:Merging#How to merge.  Go for it. Agricolae (talk) 22:52, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Agricolae (talk) 01:19, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Clementine del Golfo di Taranto]] 

message: The links for the below information are absent at this article. What is "Citrus" at "Citrus × clementina"? What is "clementina" at "Citrus × clementina"? Voproshatel (talk) 11:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is 'Citrus × clementina'?