Talk:Rider (Fate/stay night)

message: I've added this bit to their description, please feel free to word it more properly: (It should be noted that even though this is the canon mechanic of the eyes, their power is not demonstrated in any of the Fate scenarios; moreoever, Heaven's Feel and Hollow Ataraxia both have pictures of Rider consistently not wearing her blinder or her glasses and yet not petrifying anyone, which hints that the eyes can in fact be controlled by Rider at will.)
The justification behind this is that in several cases, including some of the adult scenarios played out in Hollow Ataraxia, Rider can in fact control her eyes and not petrify people. Furthermore, when Rider is killed by Saber on the rooftop, there were several people in her range of vision, excluding Saber due to her high Mana score, but including Shirou, who should have been petrified but were not, as her blinder was destroyed right before she was and exposed her eyes for all to see.
There simply does not seem to be a coherent explanation for this other than Type-Moon suddenly deciding that Rider can in fact control her powers at will, despite the weapon's provided description.
Unless someone finds an excuse for this, I might suggest removing the part of the entry that says that the eyes will work on people even against Rider's will. (If you do remove that part, then do erase the bit I just added myself as well.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.146.151 (talk) 04:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only justification that matters, sadly, is the official sources which stat what's in the article. Unless and until they give info saying otherwise, her eyes can't be shut off and she has no control outside of using the stated ways to prevent their effect. As an aside, when you feel the need to use a word like "hints" in an article, step back and try and find a way to phrase things that doesn't rely on personal interpretations of things. If you can't, it's best not to include what you were trying to say. Also, please add new topics to the bottom of a talk page, not the top. Newer information goes at the bottom, just as when commenting on already existing topics you add your comments to the bottom. And now that that's out of the way, welcome to the article, it's always nice when people take interest and want to help with it! I'd recommend making an account to make it easier for people to contact you, and also that you sign your comments with four ~ at the end. Enjoy your stay! ^_^ Nezu Chiza (talk) 17:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see the point of keeping the official description as it is if in the actual media it doesn't function as described at all. It's like if God came down and said the Moon was in fact made of cheese. It is not. At best, if that happened, the Moon's wiki page might be edited to say "According to God, the Moon is made of cheese." In this case, we'd be looking at "According to the official material, the eyes function in so and so manners." with a clear mention that in the games, animes and novels, they do not in fact demonstrate that functionality at all. I'm not trying to be a spoilsport or anything but at the very least the fact they DON'T work like described needs to be put somewhere. 70.83.146.151 (talk) 22:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More Cybele BlahBlah

message: Try to make it easy to understand for someone who does not know anything about the series. Add some background info, etc. Alex (t) 23:45, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Understanding

message: Someone please clarify this piece of information. The name of her Noble Phantasm is Bellorephon. However, I'm not sure if the Noble Phantasm itself is the attack or Pegasus. I believe Pegasus is her Noble Phantasm and the name of her Noble Phantasm attack is Bellorephon. This might be a bit confusing, so I will refer to my sources later to confirm. If someone else can confirm before me, that would be great! Mirioki 22:03, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm doing a small revamping of the Noble Phantasm information, and hopefully clarified your question: While the creature is called Pegasus, the Noble Phantasm's name is Bellerophon. Just like Gilgamesh uses heaps of different weapons for his Gate of Babylon, the attack and the tool (Or creature) do not necessarily share a name.Ephyon 01:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding on to this, Bellerphon is the name of the bridle the shes uses on Pegasus as well as the attack.Erithis 08:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All three of you have spelled this word differently. Combined with Bellepheron by Sunder in the above thread, could someone please tell me how this is properly spelled? We have at least four options to choose from here. Tyciol (talk) 15:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bellorephon]]

message: ===New image===
Added a non-spoilery image for Rider on top.  Sad to say, it's hard trying to find non-hentai images of her out there on the Interweb. ^_^;;;--み使い Mitsukai 20:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that those are bad when viewed properly 68.107.147.41 15:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

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text: FIXED. Fox816 (talk) 21:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

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text: FIXED. Fox816 (talk) 06:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

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thread_title: Images

message: Added a non-spoilery image for Rider on top.  Sad to say, it's hard trying to find non-hentai images of her out there on the Interweb. ^_^;;;--み使い Mitsukai 20:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that those are bad when viewed properly 68.107.147.41 15:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New image

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replies: text: FIXED. Fox816 (talk) 21:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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replies: text: FIXED. Fox816 (talk) 06:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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