Talk:Kirishitan

message: A Japanese Kirishitan crucifix, 17th century. Feel free to insert it in the article. Photographed at the Paris Foreign Missions Society. PHG (talk) 15:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PHG Per Honor et Gloria  07:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kirishitan crucifix

message: Here is an image of the Virgin Mary disguised as Kannon (Guan Yin) from 17th century Japan. Feel free to insert it in the article. Cheers PHG (talk) 09:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: PHG Per Honor et Gloria  07:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese Kannon/Virgin Mary

message: This article does need a bit of touch up to take out some of the more opprobrious POV issues.  But I'd like to put forward, for the record, that if anything it seems biased in FAVOUR of Christian interests.  The most obvious example is the utterly ridiculous snipey-snit against "non-religious researchers" viz a viz martyrdom.  But the article in general stresses issues, and even nomenclature, that assume a Christian reader.  This may be unavoidable, as the topic at hand is likely to be rather more interesting to Christians.  Indeed, far from "anti-missionary bias", several of the link "sources" are in Japanese, from decidedly non-scholarly, sketchy Christian missionary groups.  Furthermore, if anything, I would hope the article examine in more depth the imperialism of the period and its use of the Christian church as an ideological vanguard in colonizing nations.  (The Tokugawa's response seems rather reasonable, if heavy handed, in light of the geopolitics of the time.)
Whatever the stakeholders of this page decide, please remember that not all readers are interested in a paean to one cult's martyrs, but that wikipedia should strive for dynamic disinterest.
--WuShufei (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro-Christian NPOV

message: Apart from the POV issues, this page duplicates History of Roman Catholicism in Japan, a more normal title, and the word kirishitan is rarely used in English texts. Which is okay for Wiktionary, but not Wikipedia. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:46, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge to [[History of Roman Catholicism in Japan]]

message: This article is peppered with errors.  For example, St. Francis Xavier never engaged in trading; he was frantically busy with evangelizing during his short stay in Japan.  Juan Fernandes was a Jesuit brother, not a priest.  Captured Kirishitan were not all sent to Nagasaki for execution, and the execution-ground in Nagasaki was not Mount Unzen but the slope called Nishi-zaka, which is on Mount Kompira.  Some Catholics  were indeed tortured (some to death) on Mount Unzen—which is on the Shimabara Peninsula, not in the city of Nagasaki—as well, but the main execution ground for Christians in the Nagasaki region was Nishi-zaka.  It is also the place to which the Twenty-Six Martyrs were marched from faraway Kyoto to meet their deaths by crucifixion.  All these errors I have gleaned from just a glance at the article; I have no time at present to read it in detail.
    Amakusaluke (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replete with Errors 

message: I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
::This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:
::#There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved
::#It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given
::#In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:34, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there's still a massive problem with this article. I have moved it to a more precise title Hidden Christians of Japan, which happens to also be justified per WP:EN and WP:CRITERIA but equally should help the purpose of such an article be clearer compared to other overlapping articles. And if not merge. Titling in Japanese is no solution to the overlap issue. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:23, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing POV tag with no active discussion per [[Template:POV]] 

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