Talk:Christian unions (student groups)

message: I'm proposing that Cold contact be merged into this article.  The saying is unique to the Christian Union, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary.  Beginning 18:45, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was redirected here for some years. Evangelism would have been a better target, as local churches and various missions also try to "reach the unreached", but the term is also used in sales/marketing & recruitment, so I changed the redirect target to cold calling. – Fayenatic L (talk) 19:11, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge

message: This article talks exclusively about CU in the UK. What about Ireland, Australia and New Zealand, all of which have groups by the name of Christian Union (and also under the IFES)? There are probable more countries too. Matt73 11:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Somewhat remedied, I've added a link to IFES Ireland to the article, and added the Maynooth Christian Union. When I get a full look at the list of universities, I will probably update the article further, although perhaps the list needs to subdivide universities by region worldwide or by country. garethppls 23:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Union overseas 

message: Some editors have inserted statements that "over 75% of the world's Christians would not be able to join", citing the Doctrinal Basis (e.g. here). It is my understanding that anyone can join Christian Unions, and only leaders are required to affirm the Doctrinal Basis. I therefore propose to remove that statement as incorrect. – Fayenatic L (talk) 07:12, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Mmm... My understanding is that individuals CU practices vary, but in my experience it is generally the case that "only" (there are so MANY!) leaders (and speakers etc.) must sign the DB. However – while that means that the "over 75%" could lawfully become members, they could not become members in good conscience. I would say the phrase needs rewriting (since it is a notable issue IMHO that Christian Unions do most assuredly not unite Christians) rather than removing. DBD 10:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that the main talks are intentionally open to absolutely all comers, and generally anyone is welcome to attend other meetings for bible study and prayer. Attending regularly looks like "joining" or "membership". In cases where the CU is affiliated to the Students Union, the latter may require the CU to have a defined membership list or a subscription, but otherwise there may be no formality at all. If a student from (say) a Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or liberal denominational background has a high view of the Bible (not meaning that in a POV way), and believes that they benefit from attending, what's the issue of conscience? – Fayenatic L (talk) 08:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While this is an interesting discussion, I suggest we remember Wikipedia's core principles here. Additions to the article should be verifiable. We have a citation on this point. I recommend people read it: . Any alternative edits would do well to have appropriate reliable source citations. Bondegezou (talk) 15:11, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing out that citation. It is quite long, so relevant page numbers need to be added in the footnote. It includes the statement "Many Christians feel excluded from CUs" on page 12. Pages 4 and 12 refer to doctrines in the DB that go beyond the ecumenical creeds, and page 9 mentions that "many" CUs require all members to sign the DB. Page 4 says "Whilst many Christians have no problems agreeing with such statements, a very considerable number do." Page 7 refers to one Orthodox student who complained that he was excluded, but does not indicate what proportion of Orthodox students felt likewise. The figure of 75% is not mentioned and may be WP:SYNTH. – Fayenatic L (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I've rewritten the article to follow that source more specifically. – Fayenatic L (talk) 07:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Good re-write. Bondegezou (talk) 17:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers! I moved on to UCCF and removed some longstanding tags there. Please review that article as well. – Fayenatic L (talk) 21:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who can join 

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