Talk:The Sound of Drums/Archive 1

message: Here we are, then - 
John Simm IS playing the enigmatic Mr Saxon and we will learn more about him throughout the season - how enriching!! - NP Chilla 00:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Simm confirmed by BBC!! 

message: In the "Fear Forecast" section:
(39) At long last: "So that's his secret! Oh, I thought he was going to say 'I am your father'. Harry: "I thought he was going to say 'I am now dead!'. But," he continues excitedly, "the secret is that there's another Time Lord!"
The BBC wouldn't post that unless it was true.
So is Mr. Saxon the Master?
I think it's pretty safe to say he is.
:It isn't - it's not confirmed. Also, I don't think Fear Forecast is reliable either. Will (I hope they cannot see, I AM THE GREAT DESTROYER!) 21:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fear Forecast is the responses of a group of kids to the show, its not the BBC's own statement. Tphi 01:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who Official Website Says Theres Another Time Lord 

message: Errr... this is from the end of the red button trailer, right? Said while pictures of the Doctor are seen? So why has someone decided it's about Mr Saxon? U-Mos 16:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was, I think, Saxon saying it about the Doctor (from a standpoint looking at the character, it sounds like something Saxon would say, and it sounds similar to Simm). Will (I hope they cannot see, I AM THE GREAT DESTROYER!) 20:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think it's the FoB guy myself. By the way, we don't really know if the screen on the page for Blink is actually from Blink (I know it's been mentioned multiple times on OG it could be from TSoD/LoTL). I'm not arguing about the quote in this reply, just saying that we could all have it mixed up :) Will (I hope they cannot see, I AM THE GREAT DESTROYER!) 21:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Someone's changed it back again, but I'm still uncertain. Personally, though, I think the article picture should be changed to that awesome shot from the TLE trailer of Saxon in an oxygen mask while the rest of the Cabinet are slumped unconscious - drumming his fingers on the table (it's mentioned in the Cast Notes on Last of the Time Lords, which suggests it's the meaning behind this episode's title, and thus would be very appropriate). 217.44.118.112 08:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not only back here, but some joker's added similar stuff to a Saxon picture on the Last of the Time Lords article too. Kelvingreen 19:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The Doctor and the Master are mortal.  The only person who matches that description to any degree is Captain Jack.  --Tony Sidaway 05:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Erm... no it isn't?--Rambutan (talk) 07:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and can see the turn of the universe..." 

message: Im sure I read somewhere that someone from Eastenders will play the Rani. Whether or not this is true is something else.--Totoro99 18:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rani? 

message: The page says a trap set in the Lazerious experiment is going to unfold, whats this mean? and is it sourced?--Wiggstar69 19:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's sourced. It was part of Russel Davies' official episode guide to the new series in the Radio Times. The Lazarus Experiment kicks off an arc in which someone is laying a trap for the Doctor. We apparently find out who that is in this episode. Kelvingreen 12:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trap? 

message: Please see the discussion on Talk:Last of the Time Lords for discussion on removing the images from the 5 May trailer from these articles.  Briefly, this is because they don't appear to conform to the Non-free content criteria. --Tony Sidaway 00:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of the picture

message: The speculation on casting seems to rely on broad tabloid hints that Mr Saxon, played by John Simm, may be the Master.  I've removed this poorly sourced material.  This is an encyclopedia, not a vehicle of the yellow press. --Tony Sidaway 12:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation on casting

message: There is a quote under the cast list that says "This is the second time this series that Elize Du Toit has portrayed a character this series. Maybe a returning villian?"
But I see no record of her ever being part of Doctor Who before and it can't be referencing "Last of the Timelords" because that follows this one
:She's playing "Sinister Woman" in 42. Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 11:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The sinister woman is the same charicter as the one she plays in this episode, although when credited they come under different names.--Wiggstar69 12:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Elize Du Toit

message: part of the storyline has been declaired on the page, is there anything from a reliable source to back it up?--Wiggstar69 20:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the Synopsis?  It appears to be closely based on the BBC press release which was mistakenly released earlier today.  It's since been removed from the site. I don't know that that can count as a good source as yet.  Mark H Wilkinson 21:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't, IMO - like the flashforward spoiler, we can't be sure what any online site says about the finale other than the BBC site, even if it turns out to be true, and even if it actually has been leaked. Will (talk) 12:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if OG get it, it's also reliable. Will (talk) 14:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proof? 

message: If, after the episode has aired, and the footage of Saxon tapping the table is from this episode, can we have it for the main picture?(84.68.75.45 15:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NO --MrClaxson 18:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Future picture

message: one person who has seen the BBC promo photos for this episode describes:
John Simm holding a sonic screwdriver
TaraLivesOn 06:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, we should really wait until freema-agyeman.com, david-tennant.com, Outpost Gallifrey, or BBC have the stills. Will (talk) 06:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: An image resembling Saxon pointing such a device has now appeared at the end of the Confidential for Utopia, though the device seems to be emitting a yellow/red light instead of the Doctor's typical blue and may be a weapon vs. a tool TaraLivesOn 22:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Chances are that the device is the Master's signature weapon, his Tissue Compression Eliminator. It makes sense, considering how the weapon is the counterpoint to the Doctor's sonic screwdriver and how similar and yet slightly different the devices look. Bronzethumb 12:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Radio Times talks about Simm's character having a "laser screwdriver", but without confirmation that the pic is indeed of it, there's no point putting it in the article. Laïka 13:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: interesting promotional photo description

message: MrClaxson, I've noted on the image page why your rationale is unreasonable, and also, there is no source that the image appears in this episode (the trailer probably covered the whole of Last of the Time Lords as well). Until you provide a valid rationale and a source, I've got to continue removing it - and the three-revert-rule makes an exception of removing copyright violations.--Rambutan (talk) 10:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All due respect, the majority of the images used for these episode pages are decorative and should be removed. You are very stubborn when it comes to these pages, you behave as if they belong to you. How on earth is anyone to make contributions if they have to pass your approval first.--MrClaxson 10:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I have replied here.--MrClaxson 10:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: And again, here.--MrClaxson 10:43, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: For the last time,here.--MrClaxson 10:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I noticed that there is a small link here in this amd "the sound of drums". It's probably not significant at all and I'm just being slightly strange, but has anyone else noticed this? Gammondog 12:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about?--Rambutan (talk) 12:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "The episode focuses upon Sally Sparrow, who breaks into a dilapidated house called Wester Drumlins to take photographs" - I'm guessing you are reffering to the house? It could be some kind of in joke, a coincidence or something significant which we'll fibd out about. I can't find anything though that refers Wester Drumlins to any episode other than Blink though. Andrewjd 20:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wester Drumlins was named after a place that writer Steven Moffat had lived in. It could just be a coincidence but there is still a mystery surrounding the "ArchAngel", so whether or not this episode ties with "Blink" is only speculatory at the moment.--MrClaxson 18:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you know that?--Rambutan (talk) 18:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: "Wester Drumlins was named after a place that writer Steven Moffat had lived in." If you are refering to this statement, then it's on the Blink wikipedia page and it is sourced.--MrClaxson 19:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, "Drumlins" are long, low hills formed by glaciers.  They have nothing to do with drums. -- Karen | Talk | contribs 22:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wester Drumlins