Talk:Hang On Sloopy

message: Maybe there should be a section that lists covers of the song?
Back in 1964 I lived in Decatur, Illinois and I recall hearing a demo of Hang on Sloopy.
The demo was given to me by a friend who said that a friend of his had written the song.
The demo I heard was called "My Girl Sloopy".  I went into the Army shortly thereafter and lost track of the people doing My Girl Sloopy.  The next year when I heard Hang on Sloopy on the radio I knew it was the same song that I had heard back home in Decatur.  I have never been able to substantiate that the song originated in Decatur until recently when I found the following on the internet:
http://attitudeadjustment.tripod.com/Essays/Charles-Givens.htm
The claim here is that it was written by Charles J. Givens the now deceased and disgraced former financial guru.
But who is credited on the original 45rpm?
I saw a jacket somewere once and there were no credits.
If anyone wants to include this, the Dead Boys did a cover of "Hang on Sloopy" on the Night Of the Living Dead Boys release, which included live recordings.SleazeeeE 15:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Covers 

message: Maybe the puritans who don't think this song is sexual should have heard the Vietnamese version written and sung in Cam Rahn Bay  during 1967.  The song was changed by a member of one of the groups that sang the song in this country but when he was sent to a US Army mail unit in Cam Rahn Bay in the Republic of South Vietnam he changed the words and he and his band sing it from the back of a flatbed truck on the beach.  Not many heard this version because we couldn't reach the beach, which was on the other side of some mountains,which was off limits to anyone anyone walking.  We had to get lift from a garbage truck or from a DUCK.  
Can an administrator put protection on this article, as it has suffered vandalism multiple times per the OSU/Michigan rivalry?  Calhoun.93 (talk) 07:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: Don't want to start a new Internet myth, but I wonder if anyone has ever speculated that "Sloopy" might have originally been "Lupe", then de-Latinoed for a more white bread audience?
23.113.53.110 (talk) 17:41, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lupe 

message: Our article on "You've Lost that Lovin' Feeling" refers to the riff yet (unless I'm confused yet again) fails to link to the appropriate and accompanying article. I think I get the point, and that there's a section that would pass muster as the anchor point for a link into it from within the accompanying song article (I.e., what some colleagues would call "this article", despite the fact that this is not an article page, but the talk page of an intimately related article page). Perhaps a more qualified rock fan than i can create the lk, and possibly some accompanying prose, since I was and remain a mere dabbler "in that scene".--Jerzy•t 14:58, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'. I'll take a look at that article. Carptrash (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:    Tnx, esp'ly for yr blue link, since damn iPad 2 interface won't tolerate my ex post facto correctiion of my own talk errors in the link I was trying to create above in this talk section. In another week or two I may just be too old to edit.--Jerzy•t 15:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: But I don't really see what the issue over at "You've Lost" is about?  If you are wondering where in that song the riff appears, without listening to it, I'd say the bridge (maybe not the correct musical term) just before Hatfield starts to sing. Carptrash (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

text: (Not even when there's been no intervening discussion! Some admin powers may depend on your choice of interface!--Jerzy•t 16:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

text: (Not even when there's been no intervening discussion! Some admin powers may depend on your choice of interface!--Jerzy•t 16:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: &;&; Well,no. I think for anyone who listened. To pop radio in the right years, and can pretend to carry a tune in a paper bag,  (an age difference may be our issue here!) it should be obvious .... My only issue is that there was no link, and there should be, and if I didn't already create the link, it's just a matter of doing so even tho I'm too frustrated to with this device to resume editing articles except after a timeout (child care).__Jerzy•t 16:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true, I am ancient.  But what you want is a link from the HOS article to the YLTLF article?  With the correct reference, of course? Carptrash (talk) 17:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "HOS riff" 

message: While I'm not disputing the source, namely that Rick Derringer did indeed say such a thing in the cited video, it appears that the claim that a high school kid wrote "Sloopy" is incorrect, and originates from Charles J. Givens, an 80s self-help guru of dubious reliability. 
Beyond insisting that he secretly wrote "Sloopy" as a teen, Charles J. Givens was sued several times for fraud, which should raise some eyebrows. 
Another thing that should make people skeptical is that Bert Bern, the songwriter claimed to have bought the song from Charles, was very successful in the music business and wrote many similar songs that had, like "Sloopy," a strong Latin influence, as he was a big fan of mambo and had even briefly lived in Cuba. 
I also think the claim that "Sloopy" is based on a jazz pianist from Ohio should be taken with a grain of salt, as a story spread by enthusiastic Ohio fans looking for a closer connection to the song and their home state. Dorothy Sloop appears to have been fairly obscure. Rick relating that Bert told him "Sloopy" was derived from "Lupe" would seem more credible, as Bert was familiar with Cuban culture, and "Lupe" or "Guadalupe" is a common Spanish first name for a woman. ~ Martyav (talk) 15:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: So I am inclined to take this ("According to Rick Derringer of the McCoys the original version of Sloopy was written by a "high school kid in St. Louis" and sold to Bert Russell, also known as Bert Berns, .[3] " out.  Very soon.Carptrash (talk) 23:00, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the sentence and reference, "According to Rick Derringer of the McCoys the original version of Sloopy was written by a "high school kid in St. Louis" and sold to Bert Russell, also known as Bert Berns, ." because it lacks credibility. Derringer knows nothing other than what some fan told him, and even that does not include the so-called author's name.  The song very much in keeping with other material Bert Berns wrote. Carptrash (talk) 17:36, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songwriting claim 

message: Would a section in the article be appropriate dealing with the “sloopy girl” dancer video?  Was it really Lisa Leonard Dalton?  I think there’s an interesting backstory to it.
Just asking.
:I came here looking for that; so, yes. WTucker (talk) 13:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sloppy Girl 

message: I don't know how to update references, but the reference to the Ohio History Blog is broken.
The link is now at https://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Ohio%27s_State_Rock_Song_-_Hang_On_Sloopy, but note that it's warning that the link will expire on 31 December 2023, so here's an archive.org link.
https://web.archive.org/web/20231114082236/https://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Ohio's_State_Rock_Song_-_Hang_On_Sloopy Richard Gadsden (talk) 13:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ohio State Rock Song - reference