Talk:Ramtha's School of Enlightenment

message: I saw the movie and despite being open minded do like to check my sources. This article has been valuable in that regard. With the number of poeple watching this movie worldwide and the apparent lack of intelligent disection available I think this article is right on the money.
:I just want to say: Thank the (gods, fates, positive protons, whatever) for wikipedia! I put their movie on the other night (thinking it was going to be a scientific approach to quantum physics, but I was tired and fell asleep within the first 15 minutes.) Tonight, I happened across a post on IMDB which mentioned the movie, in turn leading me to this movement's website. I was taken in. I was interested. Then, I wanted an objective view. I came here. NPOV is very close to becoming my new religion/philosophy (I just want to check out Judaism first.)
Autopilots 05:43, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helpful !! 

message: : I am interested in the questions surrounding the factual accuracy of this article - what are the disputes?  I have added some information which was presented to me by a friend who is a member of the organization, and have attempted to illustrate some of the items of interest he has told me about the organization.  However, including definitive facts about the organization known as Ramtha is very difficult as the group represents something of a "closed society".  Emails and questions to their website pertaining to their beliefs and practises go largely unanswered.  Judith Knight may or may not be a charlatan, I do not have and cannot get enough information to positively determine this.  James Randi, the noted magician and fraudulent psychic exposer, has made his position very clear with regard to Ms. Knight.  Certainly her practises (as related to me by a member of the organization) are closely aligned with those of the proverbial 19th century snake oil salesman.  What we have attempted to do on this page (and I did not start the page) is simply to provide genuine anecdotes to illustrate the behaviour of the organization.  Those who want the "ramtha brochure" can visit the website (link attached to mainpage) and make their own judgements.  Posthocergopropterhoc 5 July 2005 02:35 (UTC)
::I see parallels here with Lazaris. -Tydaj 5 July 2005 20:51 (UTC)
::What about Blavatsky, Theosophical Society and G. I. Gurdjieff --Salimfadhley 00:40, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Background

message: I've made major changes on the article regarding its content.
These changes involved mainly the re-organisation of already existing content (with the addition of sources, and addition of some more relevant information from the same or similar sources), the addition of the new section "Controversy and Criticism", and some clean up regarding the external links and references (some ELS were turned into references, as they were particular to some content in the page)
Regarding the additions, if anyone would like to object, feel free to do so here. I have done my best to source the content as well as possible, but of course I may have omitted something, or I may have sourced something wrong. Please do let me know, or fix the referencing yourself if you spot such a mistake. • jujimufu (talk) 22:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newly-organised content (and "Controversy and Criticism") 

message: Trying to find replacement for link marked as dead in Nov 2010. Hitting reliability problems of course. Would these fit?  here  or here ?? CanadianLinuxUser (talk) 16:45, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest using the rickross link as the archiveurl for a ; there's enough information from unreliable sources to fill in the cite template for the date/original source/etc. tedder (talk) 17:15, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

text: I substituted the rickross.com link as archival url for Brenner online article as suggested. Mwright1wa (talk) 17:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link replacement 

message: Added a short summary of the facilities from the school’s introduction. Moved paragraph three from the History section up to the introduction. Removed the claim in the introduction that the school is “popularly seen as a cult.” WP:NPOV That claim is robustly addressed and cited in the Controversy and Criticism section. The sourcehttp://www.rickross.com/reference/ramtha/ramtha26.html for the claim was an archival cite to the Olympian article by Keri Brenner which is still directly cited in the paragraph I moved up to the introduction from the History section. Mwright1wa (talk) 21:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction revisions 

message: Hi there! My name is Calstarry and I am working with Ramtha's School of Enlightenment. The school is aware that this Wikipedia page is not in very good shape and they have hired me to act for the organization on Wikipedia to help improve it. I'm currently looking to see what information is available on the school, but in a little while I plan to write up and post here what I think would work better for the different sections of this page. 
If anyone here has concerns about this page they'd like me to keep in mind as I work, or if you would be interested in looking at the new sections when they are ready, let me know. I hope to have something to share in a little while. 
One final note, I understand that editing with a "conflict of interest" is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. I will only be posting messages on discussion pages and won't make any changes to entries myself. Calstarry (talk) 21:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewriting this entry 

message: It seems like our conversations have gotten very complex and too broad to lead to any immediate changes to the article. In hopes of improving this article, and at the suggestion of several other editors, I agree that it is time we look at this article section by section.
I'd like to ask editors to review and work through the Research section with me. I've chosen this section because my version and the current version are very similar and I thought it would be a good place to start discussions. I'd like to go over the concerns I have with the current version and the changes I've made in my draft to help everyone better understand why I've prepared my revision the way I have.
I understand that two of the sources I've used in my draft require a subscription. Let me know if you have any questions about what specifically these sources say. I'd be happy to provide quotes. 
I have added my revised suggestion for this section to my user space. This is the exact same section that appears in the full draft version in my user space, but I thought it would be easier for editors to view just this section by itself so you can see exactly which sources I've used. Also, if editors want to compare the two versions side-by-side or make revisions to my suggested version it will probably be easier to do this way.
Here is the current version: Research
Here is my revised suggestion: Research into Ramtha
I hope this will be a more fruitful way to discuss improvements to the article. Please let me know what you think about the two version and my notes above. Perhaps I have not stated this clearly enough before, but I am open to discussing this revision, as it is a suggestion, and making changes. In fact, if you would like to make constructive changes to the draft in my user space yourself, feel free to do so. Thank you for working through this with me. Calstarry (talk) 20:29, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have declined your edit request.It is not appropriate to make edit requests to an outside editor for things that are already being actively discussed on the page.  If you can point to consensus on this page for any particular edit then I would be willing to make it on your behalf, but not otherwise. SpinningSpark 12:52, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  One big red flag in the proposed revision is the weight given to claims that a supernatural event "could not be verified or denied", which runs squarely afoul of WP:FRINGE. - LuckyLouie (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that was one of the things that immediately jumped out at me after seeing that phrase discussed here on the talk page. I presume that it was in the article at one time and got removed.  If so, it is doubly inappropriate to make such an edit request. SpinningSpark 18:03, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fresh start: Research section 

message: This page in general seems to be all critism, there is a subject collumn for that but critism is entered under every topic instead of real facts and relevant information to allow a person to make up their own mind about whats given. The balance is very biased to the critics, I have added a bit of relevant information but don;t know how to fix an unintentional edit I made because it still appears correct on the edit page but doesn't appear on the actual page? Help  Carolyn  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolyn F. GiaMarco (talk • contribs) 21:46, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Testimonies 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: The following coordinate fixes are needed for Ramtha School of Enlightenment 
coordinates should point to an area NW of Yelm, WA which is near Olympia, WA in the United States.
—2601:603:4800:2EF0:59EA:AECB:F09B:D7B9 (talk) 06:00, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: . A simple error of east rather than west longitude. Thanks for pointing out the problem. Deor (talk) 16:03, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error