Talk:Elizabeth Báthory/Archive 1

message: Hi, I'm the user whose changes you keep rolling back calling it 'vandalism.'  The current phrasing of the popular culture section is ripe with POV.  You present a single, revisionist interpretation of Bathory as gospel, and it is just not balanced.  If you have some kind of revisionist historical agenda, that's fine.  Take it elsewhere.  The single sentence I added to the popular culture balanced out the currently radical interpretation--painting Bathory as some kind of victim of patriarchy.  While that claim is out there, when you push it to the exclusion of other views, you are at best presenting original research, and at worst presenting outright POV--neither of which is wiki-ok.  I also can no longer find the language I used in the history, because you decided to delete that.  It was immediately after the lines "Radu Florescu and Raymond T. McNally have concluded that the theory Báthory murdered on account of her vanity sprung up from contemporary prejudices about gender roles.  Women were not believed to be capable of violence for its own sake" and it was something along the lines of "However, while popular prejudice of the time is noted, these scholars' view is neither the only, nor the most accepted interpretation of the actual events."  Come on, tell me that's vandalism.
* I agree it's not vandalism... I didn't change, your work... cite it and i think there is no problem "these scholars' view is neither the only" add another scholar with a differing viewpoint... if you know one I'm sure people here would love to read more about this interesting historical figure.
*People who spend a lot of time editing this page must seem to think it is "the most accepted interpretation of the actual events." prove it with multiple sorces, most of the information in this page is cited. John Doe or Jane Doe 13:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Vandalism"

message: The reference stating that Elizabeth Bathory was in a coven sounds absurd.  Witches didn't organize themselves like that in the sixteenth and seventeenth century.  The reference saying this is from the 1940s and seems to have a sensationalistic title.  Has anyone investigated it?  71.182.123.174 00:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Coven Membership

message: This section bears remarkable similarities to parts of the text at http://www.abacom.com/~jkrause/bathory.html.
* True, text the author himself calls "creative nonfiction" and "fiction" in his disclaimer. Not a valid source for anything, isn`t it? Taken together, doesn`t that qualify the corresponding paragraph to be deleted? (I`m new to Wiki, could anybody else comment?) --Sam195 05:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Torture" section plagiarized? 

message: This article reads very much like a vignette out of some novelty book of famous vampires.  The way in which facts are presented is not only POV-ridden but goal-driven; the author is clearly trying to evoke delicious horror and explicitly points out irony in the subject's life and fate.  I'm not sure of the best way to clean this up, or indeed the best template to apply (I don't see a "this article may be plagiarized" template), so I'm putting up the Noncompliant tag and letting someone in the know handle it.
Half the article focuses on the legends and trashy stories about her while the other half does a good job putting her real motives and the real motives for punishing her in perspective relative to the political situations in Transylvania and Royal Hungary at the time.  I am not sure if it is anything more than a conspiracy theory to suggest it was Basta who killed her husband.  More likely he died in battle with the Turks.  But besides that and the part about her fondling her victims' genitilia, this is not a bad article.  Not much is really known about this case, and most of it is supposition and speculation based on her life and times.  As much as a fan as I am of McNally and Florescu's work there is yet to be a book written about this bizarre and fascinating caseShield2 06:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism and/or storytelling? 

message: What was her relationship to the king of Poland and various princes of Transylvania? She seems to be of an age to be a daughter of Christopher Báthory, but was she?  Or was she more distantly related? john k 17:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Backwards? No, it's a perfectly reasonable way to show a family tree. - Nunh-huh 14:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  genealogy 

message: Substituted at 19:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment