Talk:Kingdom of Finland (1918)

message: Saying "the Parliament of Finland, the Finnish Parliament"is redundant and unnecessarily endian. Edited appropriately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allthenamesarealreadytaken (talk • contribs) 05:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: "At the urging of the German Empire, Finland declared independence..." gives the impression that independence was a German idea. However, Finnish activists had been preparing for an armed struggle for independence ever since the Czar instituted a program of weakening Finnish autonomy from 1905 onwards. Measures taken included sending young men in secret to receive military training (in Germany, because it was at war with Russia) and smuggling in arms. Germany naturally looked to profit from any local armed struggle in a Russian dominion, but by the time Finland declared independence the czarist and following Menshevik governments had been overthrown and the Lenin government was trying to end the war on the Eastern Front. Finnish independence would thus no longer have been a top priority for the Germans in December 1917, even though they did send a division to assist the Finnish "White" forces in the ensuing civil war in the spring of 1918 (in which the remaining Russian troops took no active part).--Death Bredon (talk) 17:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  German urging? 

message: People keep reinserting to the info-box the false information that the direct predecessor were the Grand Duchy of Finland. That is simply not true: the direct predecessor was the Republic of Finland, as independence had been declared in December 1917, ten months before the election of the king, and that declaration of independence had referred to Finland as a republic. Thus both the predecessor and the successor was the Republic of Finland. On another notion, it can be debated should there even be an info-box, considering that the country never actually functioned as a kingdom, as the king-elect was never crowned nor did he even arrive in Finland. The title of regent is valtionhoitaja in Finnish and in Finnish usage that title can be used both in a monarchy and in a republic. The Finnish article is much more detailed and it has chosen to leave out the info-box. The Finnish article isn't even titled "Kingdom of Finland", instead it is titled "Finnish kingdom project" (Suomen kuningaskuntahanke), which stresses that the monarchy remained an unattainable attempt. --89.27.36.41 (talk) 06:13, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Grand Duchy was not the direct predecessor 

message: I'm going to agree with the poster from 2009; this article incorrectly portrays this as a state that briefly existed, rather than a failed attempt to establish a monarchy.  That's certainly how Finnish Wikipedia is portraying it, at least.  For example, from one of the (weakish?) sources currently in the article, it says "which they sought to establish a monarchical form of government".  Sought, not succeeded.  Additionally, it was the same parliament that would establish republican rules in 1919, albeit after an election, so it's not like there was a fundamental change in government structure like a coup; there was continuity from 1918-1919.  Finland was a proto-republic in 1918 (that happened to consider adding a monarchy) and was still a republic in 1919.  Any objection to reformatting and possibly moving the article title to reflect this?  SnowFire (talk) 17:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a state / former state, just a movement / attempt