Talk:Rafael Nadal/Archive 1

message: The main reason I failed the article is because of the long trivia section. It needs to be removed before it can pass. Also, the article seems very list-heavy. Hanuab 02:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed Good Article Nomination

message: Nadal has now switched from the Aeropro drive to the Aeropro drive featuring cortex. Rotextennis 23:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Equipment change

message: Change the ranking .. its not 26 .. !!! For God's Sake !!
:That is his highest doubles ranking. His highest singles ranking is correctly written as 2nd. Supertigerman 02:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ranking

message: Does anyone know why? Very few other players does this. There was once or twice when Nadal tried "basketball shorts" but it didn't give him good results. So maybe it's a superstition?
I heard a commentator say he wears them because that is what his sponsor provides him with - however as I have not found a reliable source for this information it can't be included in the article. (Emiwee 11:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nadal wears pantaloons in lieu of traditional tennis shorts.

message: Hi.  I see that a subdivision has been added to list the "current rankings".  Are we sure this is a good idea?  This requires constant updating, sometimes weekly, for some of the entries, whereas the "highest ranking" entry is far more stable, changing only every now and then, or never, if the player has once reached the n.1 position.  This makes our lives easier and keeps the page from being blatantly outdated periodically.  In any case, an entry for his ranking in Wimbledon 2005 (doesn't say the year, but obviously...) seems unjustified by any standards,  I'll be removing it.  Regards, Redux 8 July 2005 22:39 (UTC)
Hi. Well im not the person who wrote the thing above im just here to talk about Nadal's rankings. Obviously he should be number one in the world above Roger Federer. They have met five times this year and Federer has only one once. Yes i know Nadal has lost other games, but considering he basically beats Roger whenever they meet it only seems right to have him as number one. Rafael Nadal is an amazing tennis player who should be ranked number one. I for one can't wait to see the day (which will be soon) when he is at number one (I mean he's already earned it; he should be there). Anyways I'm sure everyone else in the world feels the same. 
YOU'RE NUMBER ONE... AND ALWAYS WILL BE.
::You are wrong, I don't feel the same. Krajicek has 6-2 vs Sampras (to my liking), they ended up 6-4, but Pete was still one of the greatest. That his game suits to Federer even on hard or grass doesn't change the fact that his game is inferior on fast surfaces against others like Blake or Berdych. A real world no.1 is someone who rather wins 24 finals in a row in two years and reaches 17 consecutive finals. Scineram 12:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, could someone include the same "Singles performance timeline" table that's available in Federer's article? It is much more easy to follow. santa_klaus11 17:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The "Singles performance timeline" is the same format as in the Federer article. Isn't it?--HJensen, talk 20:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the rankings 

message: Villas record stands since 1977, which is 29 years.
"which is 29 years" isn't needed, you've already written "since 1977".
:Well, no. It is up to the editor to decide whether to spell something like that out for the reader, or to let the reader work it out. It is more important to make sure the editor says what year they are referring to, eg. "Villas's record stood for 29 years from 1977 to 2006." Carcharoth 12:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  redundant information 

message: I've noticed that someone is constantly reverting the first sentence of the article, where Nadal is described as "a Spanish tennis player", to "Majorcan tennis player." Majorca is in Spain and the province of Spain from which Nadal comes is out of place in the first line in the article. 
--Burgas00 16:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Majorca 

message: I find the "trivia" information absolutely unnecessary and partial and not an encyclopedic information at all. It's not about Nadal, it's just about the non-existent fair play of the French public (not only Nadal was booed) and Guillermo Vilas. The problem for Nadal in Paris is that he's Spaniard and not French. The same problem had earlier Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario, Pedro Delgado or Miguel Indurain. The problem with Guillermo Vilas is his well known super "ego".
--Barakandu, 26 Jun 2006
I don't agree. I have been following the Rolland Garros for some time and I dont remember such a level of hostility by the French public and media towards any other player. Unfounded accusations of doping have also been expressed by French newspapers. What other player has been booed at during his speech after winning the final? And that was not even against a French player! --Burgas00 12:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted the paragraph. There are several; see the talk page for Federer.--HJensen, talk 20:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: isn't he noted as one of the most arrogant players in tennis? look at his stupid arms! he's blatantly a doper. baghdatis GAVE him that second set on a plate, no worries, all dopers get caught out eventually these days. He will too. It's only a matter of time.
Arrogant? Non, arrogance c'est lorsqu'on se vante de jouer "un jeu presque parfait", quand on dit que ça serait normal de gagner 1 titre du grand chelem par an, quand on joue la fausse modestie disant "que je suis moi même surpris de la façon que je joue", et j'en passe. Nadal est un gars humble et qui reste les pieds sur terre. (Sorry, to write in french). Induru
Je suis d'accord avec Induru. This is not the place to expose your personal issues. If you dont like Nadal please insult him on a sports forum. This is not the place... I am reverting your silly edits (once more).--Burgas00 20:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. --Federer Super Fan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.8.153.141 (talk) 13:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arrogance

message: Look one does not start an article on some Spaniard by stating what Autonomous community he comes from as if he represented some ethnic minority.
One does not talk of Majorcan-Spaniards, Valencian-Spaniards (PP minister Zaplana), Galician-Spaniards (Franco was a Galician Spaniard!), Asturian-Spaniards (Fernando Alonso)etc... all of these people come from regions with a distinct language and culture. Spain is a culturally diverse country, thats it. 
We cannot define Nadal as a Majorcan Spaniard as if the region of Spain in which he was born was an issue. It is not.
--Burgas00 09:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Majorcan Spanish

message: Can we find a picture with a legitimate copyright (that is, free) to include in this article? --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 22:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture? 

message: Wasn't Nadal implicated in the recent Fuentes case alongside those cyclists? --Steerpike 14:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. French (big surprise) sports newspaper L'Equipe tried to implicate him, and was woefully unsuccessful. Didn't apologize either for trying to smear his reputation without proof. Then they tried to accuse Spanish Oscar Pereiro (to be named winner of the 2006 Tour de France). Again, they failed (Pereiro is asthmatic, and proved it). L'Equipe doesn't like Spanish sportspeople winning in their territory it would seem... Raystorm 12:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it just a coincidence that the two users who replied "no" so vehemently are both biased to Spain, and "support" their arguments with ad hominem fallacies against French people? If you're paranoic about French people and repeat "son esos putos gabachos que tienen envidia" every time a Spanish doper gets caught, then that's your problem. Provide a reliable source proving Rafael Nadal is not involved. -- Danilot 07:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: For this type of article, providing proof would be relevant in the case where we should report him as being doped. We should not write about, and source/prove, everything he has not done.--HJensen, talk 12:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not saying we should write that he doped. On the other hand, I say that we should input some text saying that "some newspapers accused Nadal of being involved in Operación Puerto. This, however, has not been proven by any of these newspapers" or something in that directions. It is true, it can be sourced, and it's an important lack of information missing. -- Danilot 13:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Spanish doping scandal 

message: Why isn't Nadal's 66 consecutive win streak on clay (as of 04/21/2007) listed in the "Streaks and records" section?
 - Someone needs to update the streak (I can't as I am newly registered). As of 22/04/2007 it is 67.
The streak is now up to 69.
72 on April 29, but that doesn't matter. The question is, why isn't it under the Sreaks and Records section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreign (talk • contribs) 16:40, 29 April 2007´.
: It was removed from the streaks section, as the text there only focused on Vilas being pissed off about the record being achieved over two seasons. Now its is entering its thirds season, so the paragraph made no sense. I have therefore written up the streak again in a reformulated version.--HJensen, talk 20:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Emiwee is trying to be friendly, and save you some time another time. --HJensen, talk 21:31, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Streaks and records

message: Do we really need this much information for the French Open 2006 final? I think we are going over the edge for just one match. Ssjbooger 03:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: French Open 2006

message: Somebody really needs to put down his playing style, as he is the no. 2 player in the world and almost all of the top ten players have a playing style section on their wikipedia page e.g. Roger Federer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer and Andy Roddick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Roddick         I somehow remember that there used to be a playing style section like a year ago, but there isnt one now...I can't do it because I am not registered, but I have the text that I think should go in there:   Rafael Nadal's playing style is today's basic clay-court game, lifted to the ultimate degree. He is a counterpuncher and tries to return his oppenents' best shots even better. His strengths are (1) his superior court mobility and athleticism (Nadal tries his best to get to every single ball, even apparent winners by his opponents), (2) powerful, sweepingly topspun ground strokes on both wings, often well angled and delivered with few errors, and (3) excellent tactical skills both in defense and offense. His serve is excellent--firm enough to deny opponent taking the offensive on the return and capable of producing short-point wins (aces, serve-return errors, and serve-return sitters). He likes to play in deep court, employing his superb defensive talents, but he is quick to attack at the right moment.  As mentioned above, the huge amount of topspin he puts on the tennis ball enables him to aim several feet above the net with power and have the spin make the ball dip down into the tennis court and jump above the opponent's comfort and powerzone  (place where a tennis player is most comfortable and best at hitting the ball).  Rafael Nadal does not just sit back and let the opponent make the mistakes, at the most opportune moments, he unleashes on the tennis ball and tries to get a winner.  As of late, his coach has been urging him to be more aggresive and attack the net, this has become evident at the Monte Carlo Masters, the Barcelona Open, and the exhibition match against Roger Federer in 2007, all of which he has won.  Rafael Nadal uses a western grip on his forehand and a two-handed backhand, these aid him in producing the topspin he is famous for.
If you guys approve of this, just put it in, you are welcome to make any changes, just please report your feedback here.4.252.64.103 21:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source to base this playing section on rather than coming up with an "original research" section?  But I agree, Rafa's page should have a playing section as the other top players have one. oncamera(t) 15:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I added a playing style section, but it's pretty small and repeats itself pointlessly.  Haha, but I didn't want to copy-paste the information from either one of those websites because that's against policy around these parts.  Someone please feel free to write a kinder playing style section.  :) oncamera(t) 17:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Playing Style

message: I think that the trivia section has showed us that this is all french, French felt hostility for Bizet's Carmen, Eiffel's tower, and Champs-Elisyee design, so no wonder if they feel hostility for Nadal, and that doesn't make him undesereved or minimize his competence for the title, it's just this is all French thing all over the years.
: And the point is? --HJensen, talk 14:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again...FRENCH HOSTILITY! 

message: This is completely wrong.
The French Open 2007 statistics aren't included. His win/loss this season is 45-7, on clay it's 26-1. he has played 6 finals and won 5. The table is then current up to Queen's club. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.171.252.100 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 22 June 2007
: Done! You can help out yourself another time when you pick up such inaccuracies. Thanks a lot! --HJensen, talk 12:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok. It's still wrong btw. He has won 5 tournaments this season and played 6 finals. 22 tournaments in his career. I was also wondering, maybe it would be nice to let the results (W,F, etc) also link to the tournaments itself, like on the Roger Federer page. 12:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Hello. The timeline is wrong. He played in seven finals this year and his career win-loss record stands at 234-59. 81.58.147.156 13:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Be bold and correct these things immediately if you are 100 % certain. As to why the singles performance timeline is not updated entirely each time, one can only speculate. It would indeed be desirable that it was one once and for all every time, instead of partially as is the case now. I guess a few fans just punch in part of the recent info without knowing the costs it puts on other editors to sort out the whole picture.--HJensen, talk 08:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would love to, but this article isnt open for editing (not by new members or visitors anyway). IlyazNasrullah 13:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles performance timeline 

message: I personally don't think it should. The name  Nadal is quite a common name, and they are many other articles on Wikipedia fo other people with the surname, including his uncle, who was a very successful Spanish Footballer. Eastlygod 16:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Nadal redirect here? 

message: The food edits by Roaringbug9 seem unnecessary and contain a spelling mistake.  Perhaps someone with authority could remove them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mightfly (talk • contribs) 14:08, 16 July 2007
: This (case of vandalism) has been taken care of by someone now.--HJensen, talk 12:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheese eating 

message: Shouldn't he have 34 Finals not 32. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.234.223.100 (talk • contribs) 
: Yes, he should. Fixed now. —MC 23:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of finals