Talk:Melitopol

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A. Demidov (talk) 11:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing the article

message: There are just a few areas that I think remain unclear either from lack of info or from ambiguity in the wording, though there may be a little awkward wording left.  I'm posting here to make sure my changes didn't change the meaning and to bring up a couple issues I think need to be addressed:
*"From the ancient time, there was a small Noghai aul of Kyzyl-Yar on the place where the modern Melitopol is settled. " -> "In ancient times, there was a small Noghai aul of Kyzyl-Yar where the modern Melitopol is settled."
*"On February 2, 1784, Ekaterina II issued the decree to create the Taurian Province on the lands that had been won back." Can we get a little more background here? Who won the lands back from whom?
*I think it would be good to integrate the info in the "Special notes" section into the rest of the article, since this is basically a "miscellaneous" section.
*I noticed this bit was removed from the article in the expansion: "Melitopol was founded by Prince Potemkin as the village of Novoaleksandrovka in 1784, shortly after the incorporation of New Russia into the Russian Empire."  Is it wrong?  If not, maybe we should put it back in.  
The main thing I think the article still needs is references after factual statements.  And of course more info would also be great!  Many thanks to Demidov2007 for expanding the article!  delldot talk 08:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy edit

message: :I am glad you looked back over it, you caught some errors I made in meaning (like the province thing).  You're right that city names don't need the definite article.
:*I reworded the Novobogdanovka section again.  I have it as "caught fire" (i.e. a fire started there), but if this is not correct we should explain where the fire came from (i.e. that it started somewhere else and spread there).
:*What do you mean what template you should use?
:*The engineering wording depends on the nature of the industry: engine-constructing would refer strictly to an industry that constructs engines, e.g. for vehicles.  Engineering is more general, and could refer to, for example, design of structures or machines.  
:*If the Melitpol cherry grows there, I think that would be handy to add to the section.  
:It's looking good! delldot talk 17:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New edit

message: I added a new sub section Melitopol in World War II. As for the rest, I didn't touch it today, but I am going to replace engine-constructing by engeneering, because one enterprise of Melitopol produces engines for vehicles, another designs and produces compressors... different compressors, which are exported to different enterprises of the world. I know something about it, because being in college, I had a scientific work relating to it. However, I will save the word engine-constructing until I mention the enterprise in the article... Or it may be done now?
About template... I don't even know how to name my mistake. I actually meant tag. What tag? Well, I don't know. I update the article every day, this contradicts the conditions of the League (of copy-editors). Nobody of CEs will copyedit the article, which is tagged with the  tag and re-edited every single day. Is there another tag?
As for the cherry, I didn't understand what you meant, to be honest. To what exactly section?
A. Demidov (talk) 18:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New sub section. 

message: Somebody's edited the article and misunderstood the sense of the sentence "officials stated that it was necessary to disarm the depots and that the only measure available to do so was to carry out controlled explosions on a regular basis", this did not cause the very first fire.
Please, do not move anything like "Reasons for the explosions vary: " to such meaningful sentences.  
A. Demidov Talk 11:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited 

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message: Are we sure Melitopol is under Russia's control? Ukraine denies it and even the UK have cast doubt on it--Karma1998 (talk) 13:43, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian control 

message: WHAT:
Remove the line stating that the city is in Russian control.
WHY:
This is in dispute, and the only source making this claim is Russia's defense ministry.
ALTERNATIVE SOURCE:
The articled linked below quotes British armed forces minister, James Heappey, disputing the announcement by Russia's defense ministry:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk-believes-russians-have-not-taken-melitopol-minister-heappey-says-2022-02-26/ Rcixrp (talk) 04:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: outdated, as of today the battle is over P1221 (talk) 11:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2022 

message: Galina Danilchenko was appointed mayor by Russian military. But the Melitopol City Council had declared that "The occupying troops of the Russian Federation are trying to illegally create an occupation administration of the city of Melitopol. The City Council appealed to the Prosecutor General of Ukraine Iryna Venediktova to launch a pre-trial investigation into Danilchenko and her party Opposition Bloc for treason. According to Lovemankind83 "Danilchenko is "de-facto" mayor because she has the support of the souvereign in melitopol: The Russsian army". How can Danilchenko be "de-facto" mayor when "her own" city council states she is a traitor? Besides we do not know if any civil servant takes/executes her order. You can only be be "de-facto" mayor if you have any real power; "Russia says you are mayor, so you are mayor" is simply a faulty argument. It would be best to state that currently she is the Russian installed mayor. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Galina Danilchenko]] was appointed mayor by Russian military 

message: Please handle the disambiguation page Melitopol (disambiguation)
Please add a hatnote
-- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 💜  melecie  talk - 06:07, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request

message: The director has been liberated, curator perished. Two different women. Xx236 (talk) 09:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Museum 

message: https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/mayor-up-to-60-000-people-remain-in-russian-occupied-melitopol-or-one-third-of-pre-invasion-population Xx236 (talk) 06:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The population was up to 60 000 in July 

message: The first sentence states the city is in the “south-west” of Ukraine. I’m not an expert but when I look at the map it sure looks like it is in the southEAST of Ukraine. Thoughts? Sherseydc (talk) 14:12, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: An IP changed it to southwest Russia and then a new account changed it to Ukraine without correcting this. Mellk (talk) 22:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in first sentence 

message: There is (was) no "Russia-affiliated" police chief. Oleksandr Mishchenko was a defector. A traitor, who served a fascist dictatorship.
Similarly, Quisling was not a German-affiliated Norwegian politician, but a Norwegian traitor, a Nazi collaborator. 188.143.53.137 (talk) 09:42, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong choice of words 

message: From July 2023 Melitopol and Hoboken are sister cities https://www.hobokennj.gov/news/city-of-hoboken-and-city-of-melitopol-ukraine-unite-as-sister-cities GrV (talk) 11:27, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twin towns – sister cities 

message: I request that in the country section Russia be added as a (De facto) while Ukraine is put as (De jure) LegendaryChristopher (talk) 01:18, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There’s a consensus against doing this in place infoboxes. It is not “de facto Russia.” What is Russia is a de-jure concept. It is occupied by Russia, de facto and de jure, period.  —Michael Z. 01:24, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean Metipol is officially recognized as being part of Ukraine so it's (De jure) but Russia occupied the city and consider it part of their territory so it's (De facto). I think this make more sense to inform the reader of the reality of the current situation. If Ukraine recaptured the city just like Kherson than we could remove Russia as (De facto) LegendaryChristopher (talk) 03:25, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Consensus here: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 179#RFC: Occupation in infobox for localities affected by the ongoing military conflict.  —Michael Z. 01:26, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to be honest this seems to be less of a consensus and more of a personal opinion of someone, you could tell especially by the language they use. I believe we should revisit it and change the decision because it's ridiculous not to have a specific city considered as in de facto control by Russia since Russia does have administration control of the city. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 03:38, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The main argument in that RFC was that infoboxes should (and were only designed to) contain stable information, while in this case battle lines could change in a matter of months or even weeks, leading to the occupation status fluctuating violently. The participants in that RFC unanimously agreed that occupation should not be mentioned in the userbox. That's looks like a very strong sign of consensus to me. If you feel like there was inadequate participation in that RFC, or that community consensus may have changed since then, you can open a new RFC, although I suspect most responders will just give you a stern warning for forum shopping and turn it down. Liu1126 (talk) 12:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

text: @LegendaryChristopher, then go ahead and revisit it, if you think you can get consensus. In the meantime, please revert all of those edits. Thanks.  —Michael Z. 16:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

text: This user has been doing mass changes across basically all Russian-occupied cities, knowingly going against consensus and reverting people who disagree. @Mzajac I'm not really sure what the right course of action is here to stop this, as an admin do you have recommendations? HappyWith (talk) 04:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The user is non-EC, and so not permitted to edit in this subject area according to WP:GS/RUSUKR. I’m sure they will revert the changes and limit themselves to constructive edit requests now that it’s been brought to their attention, and not risk administrative action.  —Michael Z. 16:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2023 

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Ideally the audio pronunciation for Russian (and maybe even Greek) could also be added, but the only audio file available on Commons is the Ukrainian one. Thank you. 70.181.1.68 (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: LittlePuppers (talk) 18:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 January 2024: audio pronunciation