Talk:Klingon/Archive 1

message: Klingon blood appears as pink only in Star Trek VI. As I understand it, the makers of the film changed the red blood to pink to avoid an R rating for the film. In every representation before and since, Klingon blood appears as red, just like human blood. JohnnyB 18:20, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
I had spoken with someone a couple months after the release of Star Trek VI, and like me he also said that the first thing he thought of when seeing the blood was Pepto-Bismol.
JesseG 07:21, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
How can the pink/red blood discrepancy be related to the virus? Both Worf (whose red blood we've seen) and the murder victims in ST:TUC (whose pepto-bismol blood is seen) are lumpy-headed. JohnnyB 20:25, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
A theory: The Klingons in Star Trek VI were affected by the virus; the virus changed their blood to the pinkish colour, but medical intervention restored their cranial ridges. Members of Worf's family, on the other hand, have unaffected red blood. Just my theory, of course, in the absense of canon facts... Duomillia 16:27, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What if the Klingons were taking a medication that had the side effect of making the blood temporarily appear pink?--RLent 21:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blood

message: I have to take issue with the comparison of the Klingons to the Japanese empire and the Romulans to the Soviet Union.  It doesn't track with the history of the show that I've read.  In David Gerrold's 1973 book The World of Star Trek (ISBN: 0345234030) several of the alien races and their real-world inspirations were discussed.  Roddenbery contributed to it, and it had a lot of behind-the-scenes writer and production info in it.  
One of the things that was covered was what the Klingon and Romulans represented.  The Klingons were clearly a cold war era reference to the Soviet Union.  In the book it was specifically stated that The Federation and The Klingon empire could never go to war, as they both had enough weapons to wipe out the other's civilization.  Specifically this was the reason the Organian Peace Treaty was arranged and the two parties were forced to accept in "Errand of Mercy".  The Organians even said that one day the two would live in peace and cooperate.  By the time of TNG had come to pass... for the most part.  In an idealized view one could say that this was an analogy that one day the cold war would end.  
As I recall the book said something like the Klingons had "no redeeming social value".  "Klingons pick on old ladies.  Klingons fart in airlocks." are a couple of lines I remember from the book.  
The Romulans were used in the series as a plot device to allow the Federation to have all-out battles with a strong enemy without actually ending civilization.  The Romulans were strong enough to be scary, but not strong enough to actually win.  They were kind of like a state hostile to the Federation, but not strong enough to do much damage.  Much like... North Korea is today.
Cleary an analogy was being made to the Soviet/Chinese support of North Vietnam when Spock points out that "Romulans now using Klingon design" after three "Romulan" D-7 battle cruisers appear in "The Enterprise Incident".  As Rodenberry later confessed, this too was a plot device because they couldn't afford any more model construction or matte shots for a new Romulan ship.  Since the Warbirds introduced in "Balance of Terror" were only capable of impulse power, a warp-capable Romulan ship would require new models, they decided to fudge it so existing matte shots could be used. --StarGazer9 16:28, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural allusions

message: Well, I got the new bumpless Klingon data in first! Just watched the episode's premier...Kaz 02:56, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bumps Settled... 

message: Greetings. I merged content from Arbiter of Succession, as per the VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Arbiter of Succession. I added it as a separate section under "Arbiter of Succession". Please feel free to move or rearrange it as you see fit. --Deathphoenix 02:28, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that spelling correct? Arbiter doesn't look right. Sure it isn't "arbitor"? 23skidoo 03:11, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged content from [[Arbiter of Succession]] 

message: Are all the names on the Klingon leadership list canonical? A few of them look kind of dubious. 23skidoo 23:06, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Klingon leadership

message: "Klingon as Soviets" meme is bullshit and must die.
The Federation - Klingon Empire conflict may look like the Cold War, but that's when the analogy ends. The Klingon culture is totally based on the Japanese Samurai and doesn't have even the slightiest similarity to real or imagined Soviets.
Please don't propagate the broken meme. Taw 13:52, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We know that with the benefit of hindsight and several spinoff series, but in the Original Series the Klingons had very few of these qualities.  I think that the Cold War/Soviet Union/"don't trust the bastards an inch" sensibilities that went into the creation of the original Klingons can be mentioned without taking anything away from what we know now. --Ryanmarc 14:21, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not BS because the analogy was made quite clear in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. I believe "Inside Star Trek" by Robert Justman an Herbert Solow also makes this statement however it has been many years since I read that book so the memory may cheat. Can Taw provide a source to prove it's bullshit?23skidoo 15:19, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying that the relations between the TOS Federation and the Klingon Empire aren't Cold War-like, but that's about where the similarities end. The Klingons had no ideology they tried to spread, no party, no cult of leaders, no workers' class, no state atheism, no communist economy (in fact the Federation looks a lot more Socialist than the Klingon Empire), and there was no Solidarity/internal opposition/lost arm race/economic inefficiency (or whichever theory of fall of the USSR you're into) in the fall of the empire, it was just an eco-disaster. On the other hand we have (admittedly to much larger extend in TNG/DS9 than in TOS/movies) a lot of Samurai-like elements. The "Inside Star Trek" book (I haven't read it) doesn't sound like much of a canon, especially since it seems to go totally against the actual series here. Taw 20:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably safe to assume that most 60s Star Trek fans didn't know any more about the structure of the Soviet Union than they did the Klingon Empire.  Both of them were made out to be strong, mysterious, and plain and simply the "bad guys".  I'm not a TV writer, but it occurs to me that the more you teach fans about the enemy the more sympathetic the enemy becomes, and the last thing they wanted to do in TOS is humanize (for lack of a better Star Trekish term) the Klingons.  Solow (a vice president at Desilu) and Justman (supervising producer) are in as good a position to describe the Klingon/Soviet analogy in their book as anyone.  I like your revision, so I'll just leave it at that.  --Ryanmarc 23:25, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Klingons as Soviets 

message: Can someone please confirm if Worf was a surivor of the Attack on Narenda, or was it Khitomer? Duomillia 17:26, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Khitomer according to just about every Google hit on the subject. Correcting recent edit accordingly. 23skidoo 17:39, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worf : Narenda or Khitomer? 

message: Unless I'm missing something here, there's 1200 years between the reigns of Kahles and M'Rek, covered by about five rulers. This would mean each ruler would rule over 240 years, assuming their reign starts from birth and ends at death, and they die of old age (something no self-respecting Klingon would ever do!). I don't know specifically, but Klingons don't seem to live that long. — JIP | Talk 05:49, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Klingon leadership 

message: I feel that klingon quisine is extensive enough to split into a new article. (see Ferengi quisine )
:It was originally its own article, but it got merged to this article. — JIP | Talk 17:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: quisine

message: Why does the history for this article only begin at November 2005? And why is the first edit a redirect to Angela Merkel (disambiguation)? And why aren't there any deleted edits in this article? — JIP | Talk 17:29, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article history 

message: The article currently states that FASA fanon is canon regarding Klingon religion, presumably because of mention of the Black Fleet.  Though the Black Fleet is mentioned in the Warrior's Anthem, the related comments have NOT been canonized.  A similar example might be first mention of Vulcan's Forge in the novels - only the Forge has been admitted into canon, not the entirety of the novel(s).--StAkAr Karnak 12:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FASA Klingon religion 

message: I belive it was mentioned either here or at Memory Alpha that the hate that the Klingons have for tribbles is a result of their retillian roots. The Cardassians have very obvious reptillian roots but it doesn't really seem like the Klingons have any reptillian roots at all,they are perfect examples of mammals.
:The picture toward the top stating "A venom-spitting Klingon atavist" is from a episode where Worf devolves, eventually into a giant lizard. Which pretty much is claiming that Klingons come from reptillian roots canonically. 67.5.157.72 05:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reptillian Roots

message: Would people please stop changing the term "discommoded" without having actually watched the episodes? This is undeniably the term that is used throughout TNG. It may not match the dictionary meaning, but that's an issue that needs to be taken up with the writer of "Sins of the Father". It's like changing "transporter" to the more correct "teleporter". 23skidoo 16:09, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discommoded

message: I went ahead and added Luxans to the list of races similar to the Klingons. I'm really surprised it wasn't there already, but that a race from a video game, and a race from Lord of the Rings (which is FANTASY, not science fiction) was.Antodav 12:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luxans 

message: "Klingon" has been used as an unofficial nickname for a microorganism found in Lake Vostok in Antarctica.
Wouldn't this be "Cling-on" and not "Klingon"? 67.5.157.72 05:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  other uses of the word 

message: There is not a single reference in this article, I'm going to add some in the future, but it has to be addressed. Computerjoe's talk 15:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, it would be great if articles like this would indicate what information was presented in which episode, movie or whatever. Nareek 04:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete Lack of Refs 

message: In the TNG episode Heart Of Glory, two Klingons die while on the enterprise.  Both times, it is said that the bodies are empty shells: It is only an empty shell now. Please treat it as such. and They are now only empty shells - dispose of them as you see fit. But in the Deep Space Nine episode The Ship, Worf tells O'Brien When a	warrior dies in battle, his comrades stay with the body to keep away predators. That allows the spirit to leave the body when it is ready for the long journey to Sto'Vo'Kor. PrometheusX303 13:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In death