Talk:Thomas Schirrmacher

message: This article is way too long - Mr Schirrmacher's importance doesn't warrant more than a few lines, if indeed Wikipedia should have an article about him at all. I recommend vigourous editing or deleting the whole thing.
He is listed in Marquis Who is who and 15 other world leading biografical dictionaries. He has four earned doctorates, teaches on four contintens and is the chair of Theological Commission of the World Evangelical Alliance, thus one of the leading Protestant theologians. He has written 70 books translated into 18 languages. They are much less important people in Wikipedia who have a full article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.232.250.165 (talk) 17:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOTDIRECTORY of articles by the topic. It is meant to be an encyclopaedic article based upon third-party sources. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 14:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is way to short 

message: I would point out that WP:REDNOT states "Do not create red links to articles that will never be created, including articles that do not comply with Wikipedia's naming conventions", and WP:ENGLISH states "the title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language". Freie Theologische Hochschule Gießen & Staatsunabhängige Theologische Hochschule Basel violate these conventions.
Also piping the English title of an article on an institution to its Dutch name violates WP:EASTEREGG. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are being OBTUSE again, so I'm going to SHOUT at you. How can the Dutch name of an institution be more intuitive to an English reader than its English name? And if this wasn't the case, then why would we have WP:ENGLISH for titles in the first place? Given that I'm not familiar with either institution, I'm not in a position to judge its most common Anglicised name. I would however suggest that if either are sufficiently prominent to warrant an article (and thus a redlink) they are sufficiently prominent that some reasonably-standardised Anglicisation of their names exist. Now, if you are through being tendentious on this subject can we remove the WP:REDNOT redlinks? HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't be "obtuse or tendentious". WP:SPADE. My point on WP:EASTEREGG was perfectly obvious -- but you seem to insist on making a game out of it. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I didn't answer to this thread. the headline was subsequently manipulated so I removed my comments. But see m< citation of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)#No established usage #This thread is WP:IDIDNOTHEARTHAT of #Non-English redlinks, which is EXPLICITLY on the topic of for an answer. --Moi Ossi (talk) 10:56, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-English redlinks and pipes -- a thread explicitly and prominently citing [[WP:ENGLISH]] 

message: (Hitler's) religion and christian liturgy are part of theology. Liturgy is the art of living theology, religion is what theology examines. --Moi Ossi (talk) 08:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Functionalism versus intentionalism is historiography not theology. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 08:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  theology 

message: What is not clear with Schirrmacher holding the Marxism as secular form of the Judeochristian religion? --Moi Ossi (talk) 11:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marxism 

message: Hans Naumans relevance is first based on his notability which brought him a wikipedia-entry and second he completes the differentiated picture of Schirrmachers view towards the Nazi-time.--Moi Ossi (talk) 11:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of [[Hans Naumann]] 

message: This is an article about myself, but it is a mass, the German wikipedia article is much better. I am willing to provide hundreds of English internet sources, so someone can make a good article out of it. Who is interested to receive them? Religionssoziologe (talk) 01:40, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am willing to provide sources 

message: Does he belong to a denomination of Christianity? --Kaihsu (talk) 13:49, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: A pastor without a church and a bishop without a diocese? Kaihsu (talk) 07:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

text: The best I can figure out is Anglican realignment. – Kaihsu (talk) 13:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denomination? 

message: The community that purportedly consecrated him is hardly documented, and doesn’t belong to the Anglican Communion (though yes, I am aware of exceptions). The reference given was WP:PRIMARY and has become dead. Kaihsu (talk) 12:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The best I can figure out is Anglican realignment. – Kaihsu (talk) 13:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  In what sense is this person an Anglican bishop? 

message: Article reads like ADVERT, and although overstuffed with sources, the claim to notability is not clear, nor is is clear that sources support it.   An editor who sees notability here could clarify this point by reducing the article to material to SIGVOV that is supported by WP:RS.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: Hello together. I think the notability of Prof Schirrmacher is no question. He is one of the most famous evangelicals in Europe (and maybe around the world). I had many problems with this wikipedia-entry: So first I tried to make it more readable as you can see. I hope that I succeeded in doing it? It was my main concern to emphasize the main focus of Schirrmachers work: The fight for human rights and religious freedom and also his ecumenical work.
I also deleted some references because most of them where still not available; I also deleted a reference on one of Schirrmachers doctoral dissertation because the reference only says where the dissertation was cited (and that certainly not completely) and that does not make any sense in my view. I have to admit that I am new to wikipedia and would have asked for deleting before doing it if I had known what I know now about working on wikipedia. So sorry for that!
I would further suggest to delete the complete "Views"-section because it is very selective and doesn't touch the centre of Schirrmachers work (Ethics, Persecution of Christians, Religious Freedom, Human Rights, ...). So it does not give a really good overall view of what Schirrmacher thinks and teaches.
I will try to add more of his Works and complete the Books and Articles. I am not a native english speaking person, so I need your help. I also would be pleased if we can rework the references because I think they are not always suitable and need some correction. Thanks and Greetings! Re145vision (talk) 09:05, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: I will delete the Bibliography section because I can not see what the book mentioned there has to do with Schirrmacher!? Re145vision (talk) 09:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete Revision 

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