Talk:Greater Milwaukee Open

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=== You don't read very carefully ===
A  2007 Milwaukee Journal article was written about Dave Stockton winning the inaugural version of the tournament.Thrilling ride remembered I put that in as a reference in the edit you undid. Do you think you know the tournament better than the newspaper who covered it for 42 years? Oh and there is this article in 1973 saying Stockton won the first Milwaukee Open.
By your logic any tournaments played in Miami would also go under the Doral Open because both of them are played in Miami....William 18:30, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read the reference I provided? The PGA Tour's own list clearly considers the 1940-61 winners part of the tournament's history. Don't you think the PGA Tour knows it's own events better than a newspaper writer thirty years after the fact? Tewapack (talk) 18:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh and here is the golf course saying in 2007 that it was hosting the 40th annual edition of the tournament. Lets see 1968 to 2007....that's 40 tournaments. There are 2007 news articles saying its the 40th....William 18:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh and you can't count either while you're ignoring a pile of proof that says you and the PGA Tour(They've been wrong before and are at this moment. Do you want a list?) are wrong. 1968 to 2007 is 39 years not 30 like you write two paragraphs above. If you'd said 40 I wouldn't have pointed it out. That ran in the tournament's hometown newspaper which you're also dismissing. Solution- Make separate articles for the prior to 1968 tournaments....William 18:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why make separate lists when they would refer to exactly the same PGA Tournament page! Why not make a new article every time a tournament changes its name or changes to a different course? Yes, the modern, continuously played tournament started in 1968. The sponsors are going to emphasize that fact and push that fact to newspaper reporters. But if the PGA Tour considers the earlier winners as part of the tour's history, then that is that. Sponsors have come and gone, the tournament moved to different courses, the constant is the PGA Tour. The early winners were listed in the very first version of the article, because the PGA Tour tournament page was, and has to be, the primary source for the tournament. Tewapack (talk) 19:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Even more conclusive proof, the internet archive saved version of the website from 2009. The 42nd edition. and a list of tournament winners that begins from 1968!. That's from 2004, the 2009 website is barely coming up....William 19:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

text: You're 'The early winners were listed in the very first version of the article' argument goes against how many times I have corrected golf tournament articles that were based on the mistakes of the pro golf tours. How about Damon Runyon Cancer Fund Tournament and Women's International for two such examples and I haven't seen you undo the changes, and I notified you about them. The changes I did contradict the LPGA. The LPGA is wrong, The PGA Tour is wrong and I've supplied more than enough proof. I'll never forget how for almost 4 years you had a PGA Tour and an unofficial event as the same tournament. Where were you checking the PGA Tour then?...William 19:30, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Older events

message: A  2007 Milwaukee Journal article was written about Dave Stockton winning the inaugural version of the tournament.Thrilling ride remembered I put that in as a reference in the edit you undid. Do you think you know the tournament better than the newspaper who covered it for 42 years? Oh and there is this article in 1973 saying Stockton won the first Milwaukee Open.
By your logic any tournaments played in Miami would also go under the Doral Open because both of them are played in Miami....William 18:30, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read the reference I provided? The PGA Tour's own list clearly considers the 1940-61 winners part of the tournament's history. Don't you think the PGA Tour knows it's own events better than a newspaper writer thirty years after the fact? Tewapack (talk) 18:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh and here is the golf course saying in 2007 that it was hosting the 40th annual edition of the tournament. Lets see 1968 to 2007....that's 40 tournaments. There are 2007 news articles saying its the 40th....William 18:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh and you can't count either while you're ignoring a pile of proof that says you and the PGA Tour(They've been wrong before and are at this moment. Do you want a list?) are wrong. 1968 to 2007 is 39 years not 30 like you write two paragraphs above. If you'd said 40 I wouldn't have pointed it out. That ran in the tournament's hometown newspaper which you're also dismissing. Solution- Make separate articles for the prior to 1968 tournaments....William 18:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why make separate lists when they would refer to exactly the same PGA Tournament page! Why not make a new article every time a tournament changes its name or changes to a different course? Yes, the modern, continuously played tournament started in 1968. The sponsors are going to emphasize that fact and push that fact to newspaper reporters. But if the PGA Tour considers the earlier winners as part of the tour's history, then that is that. Sponsors have come and gone, the tournament moved to different courses, the constant is the PGA Tour. The early winners were listed in the very first version of the article, because the PGA Tour tournament page was, and has to be, the primary source for the tournament. Tewapack (talk) 19:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Even more conclusive proof, the internet archive saved version of the website from 2009. The 42nd edition. and a list of tournament winners that begins from 1968!. That's from 2004, the 2009 website is barely coming up....William 19:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

text: You're 'The early winners were listed in the very first version of the article' argument goes against how many times I have corrected golf tournament articles that were based on the mistakes of the pro golf tours. How about Damon Runyon Cancer Fund Tournament and Women's International for two such examples and I haven't seen you undo the changes, and I notified you about them. The changes I did contradict the LPGA. The LPGA is wrong, The PGA Tour is wrong and I've supplied more than enough proof. I'll never forget how for almost 4 years you had a PGA Tour and an unofficial event as the same tournament. Where were you checking the PGA Tour then?...William 19:30, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  You don't read very carefully