Talk:Tango music

message: Does anyone have any links that would help show differences in style/orchestra? I am thinking about the same song - different artists; something like "el choclo" or "la cumparsita" comes up. We would only need short sequences to highlight the differences...?!
dekay 14:22, 8 June 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences between orchestras

message: I removed the paragraph below because it isn't relevant.  Tango has been featured in lots of movies, TV shows and other parts of pop culture -- as a matter of fact, tango has long constituted a major part of pop culture. Tuf-Kat — Preceding undated comment added 23:37, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Shakira released a song — "Te Aviso, Te Anuncio (Tango)" — which starts with a tango-like part (and also features some seconds of tango dancing in its video). The musical Chicago by John Kander and Fred Ebb was recently made into a film and also features a tango, the "Cell Block Tango", where murderers or, at least, accused murderers from a women's prison in Chicago greet newcomer to the jail (Roxie Hart) in their own way. The soundtrack of Waking Life features tango music prominently; the feature track is called "The Twenty-First Century Tango". Another movie featuring a good tango scene is Moulin Rouge, to a fusion of the Police song "Roxanne" with Mariano Mores's "Tanguera" — creating "El tango de Roxanne".
Ahh but don't forget to mention that the tango is also featured in recent popular culture movies. "Guess Who" with Ashton Kutcher and Bernie Mac and also the most recent "Rent!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.92.178 (talk) 02:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed pop culture

message: The page contains a contradiction: that the Golden Age ended after Gardel's death (1935) and that it ran from 1935-1952 (i.e. it started after his death).  Well which is it?  [adonovan] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.119.128.203 (talk) 02:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You'r right. The Golden Age was from 1930 to 1950 (aprox). I fixed the text. Mariano(t/c) 08:59, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: I think this article should be re-reseached all together.  The Tango was originated in Andalusian (Spain) and migrated to Argentina in the 1500's.  The Argentine Tango is now considered a modified version of the Andalusian Tango which was originated more as a music than a dance.  Evidence of this Argentine origin of tango is by the fact that the tango dance is composite of African and European styles of dancing.  Most info on this can be found on this website: http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3andulz.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmjohnson3 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering about Tango originating in spain since some of Camaron de la isla songs pertain to the "Tango de Malaga" genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.67.146 (talk) 03:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I think you should research. Tango music has much more african music than european (candombe, for example). Also, you should re read the link you gave, it doesnt say that argentine tango is a modification of andalusian tango. In matter of fact, andalusian tango, along with at least 7 kinds of different music are preruners of actual tango, with african bases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.216.228.241 (talk) 03:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More research needed on origins of tango

message: Please vote Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tango.info (2nd nomination). `'mikka (t) 18:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tango-related article deletion

message: The part about gotan project is very old dated (2004)
I haven't changed anything because I'm not very skilled and the only thing new I know about it is that they have a new album called Lunatico (like Gardel's horse). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.235.13.159 (talk) 01:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On electronic tango 

message: I created a new wiki-page for Florindo Sassone.
Information on the net is really sparse. If anyone would like to fill in the missing information, feel free to do it.
On a more general scale, there are many Tango-bands/artists that do not show up on wikipedia, so it might be useful to improve this.
-- Discoleo (talk) 18:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artists / Bands 

message: I am putting Kevin Johansen in at the milonga page. It seems more appropriate since some of his songs have a milonga rhythm, not a tango rhythm. Binksternet (talk) 17:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kevin Johansen 

message: This sentence seems unnecessary, and does not seem to fit with general opinion,
"Lyrics were still typically macho, blaming women for countless heartaches, and the dance moves were still sexual and aggressive."
If no one has any resonable objections I will delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesGallagher (talk • contribs) 22:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Macho lyrics

message: Also in the section about crossover with classical music, I think Le Grand Tango written by Piazzolla to be performed by Rostropovitch, should be mentioned — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesGallagher (talk • contribs) 22:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Find a reference about Rostropovitch playing Le Grand Tango and bring the info into this article. Binksternet (talk) 03:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Classical crossover

message: Is it just me, or does this article have nothing to say about what makes a tango a tango?  I mean, I know it's easier to separate a waltz from other music (3/4 time), but isn't there some distinctive beat or rhythm in tango that makes it a tango?  That's the info I came here looking for, and a quick skim doesn't seem to indicate that it's present.
The rock article I read a few weeks back pointed out that rock used a bass-snare-bass-snare beat, and a country article (maybe not on Wikipedia, I forget) said that country used (IIRC) a snare-bass-snare-bass beat, which at least helped me differentiate them a bit in my mind.  I was hoping for something like that here.  I can basically recognize a tango [when I hear one], but since I'm moving into actually making music, I need a little more concrete info than that.  About all I know at this point is that there's a decided pause after a strong beat, so "somehow or other" the music gets broken into pieces using "something - STRONG - pause" but I don't know more than that.  Can someone put up the information or at least point out more obviously where the information is to be found (on Wikipedia or elsewhere)?  Thanks. Kilyle (talk) 12:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What Is Tango?

message: The example of a tango rhythm is good enough, but it is not THE tango rhythm. Although there really may not be any such thing, the common mythological creature is said by old tango musicians to be in 4/4 time, dotted quarter followed by an eighth and then two quarters with a slight accent on the last beat. Of course, there are innumerous tangos that have no such rhythm! At any rate, the part of the article about rhythm should mention some typical tango (plural) rhythms. Gingermint (talk) 02:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. Also, I just looked up the reference this example had pointing to Revisiting Music Theory: A Guide to the Practice, and it showed a completely different rhythm than shown here! I think we should instead go with 1 - - & 3 - 4 - like as described in The Piano Handbook by Carl Humphries. --Kaleb.G (talk) 01:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree, the rhythm should be notated so that the beaming clearly shows where the beat is; the current example gives the impression that it is "1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2" when it should be closer to "ONE and two AND three and FOUR and," the two being similar (indeed, identical) when played, but the latter being infinitely more legible when notated. 2601:602:CE80:D930:C0DB:D48A:9506:9805 (talk) 23:39, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhythm 

message: For me it seems that statements Bajofondo Tango Club <..> are examples with a stronger "electro" feeling than Gotan Project. Bajofondo Tango Club's beats are more regular, more dominant. The rhythms are less complex but the tango feeling is still there. are just a personal opinion. Well, I admit I haven't heard much of Gotan project tracks but I have heard everything of Bajofondo and it's music seems to be much complex and softer that Gotan. But that's a my POV. It needs independent sources or such comparison should be removed at all. Hugo.arg (talk) 21:59, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than trying to support the opinion with a cited source, let's just take it out. I think it is of little relevance to the topic, and is not a representation of mainstream thought. Binksternet (talk) 22:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gotan Project vs Bajofondo 

message: Hi All, I'm having a problem with having the link to "ballroom dancing" in the lede: 
 
1- The ballroom dancing article says nothing to speak of about tango as a dance style, whereas all the other tango/dance articles have a lot of content.  If the reader gets directed to ballroom dancing first, the first impression will be that there's no material in Wikipedia about the tango dance.
2- In order to find "tango" as a dance article, you have to get to the disambiguation page which is no small feat of maneuvering.
3- Tango music did not originate as a ballroom music style in the same way the waltz did.  If anything, it's more of a folk dance so the reference is inaccurate at best.  The waltz never existed outside of upper class ballrooms, and is not danced anywhere else today nor is the ballroom tango.  Whereas the milonga style of tango is danced everywhere around the world, hardly ever in a ballroom, and is certainly not allowed in official ballroom dancing competitions except on TV.
4- The average reader, if I may call them that, will be more interested in the "Argentine Tango" article than in in the ballroom dancing article. They will actually get some information about the dance there as opposed to "ballroom dancing".
I don't know how anybody can consider the tango as a ballroom dance except through a minor and forgettable accident of historic colonialism.  Any thoughts?  Laguna greg 19:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ballroom Dancing]] in Lede?

message: I believe that Tango Music article is lopsided as it is, because it avoids any mention of of non-Latin tango, which was very popular during 20s-50s in several European countries, first and foremost Germany, Russia, and Poland. I attempted to correct this deficiency by adding a paragraph about European tango, with links to a few key bands and singers. My edit was removed without explaining reasons. To the editor who removed my addition, please let me know what was wrong with it. I would also appreciate any comments on the content of my suggested edit:
Eventually tango transcended its Latin boundaries, as European bands adopted it into their dance repertoires. Non-traditional instruments were often added, such as accordion (in place of bandoneon), saxophone, clarinet, ukulele, mandolin, electric organ, etc, as well as lyrics in non-Spanish languages. European tango became a mainstream world-wide dance and popular music style, alongside with foxtrot and rumba. It diverged from its Argentinian origin and developed characteristic European styles. Famous European band leaders who adopted tango included, to name a few, Otto Dobrindt, Marek Weber, Oskar Joost,Barnabas von Geczy, Jose Lucchesi, Kurt Widmann, Adalbert Lutter, Paul Godwin, Xavier Cugat as well as famous singers Zarah Leander, Rudi Schuricke, Tino Rossi, Janus Poplawski, Mieczyslaw Folg, Pyotr Leshchenko, and others. The popularity of European tango precipitously declined with the advent of rock-n-roll in the 50s-60s.
--Sser2 (talk) 20:17, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I am the editor who removed your addition, and I did in fact give a reason (twice): There were no reliable sources, which are a requirement. If you are new to Wikipedia, I suggest you begin by reading the blue-linked guideline. While we are about it, you also made a large number of external links to Wikiedia articles. This is unneccessary, since simply enclosing all those names in double square brackets will create internal links to the same articles. For links to non-English Wikipedia articles, please use the Interlanguage Link template. Please do not confuse such links with sources: Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I have no criticism of what you wrote, since I know next to nothing about European tango—no, let me be honest, I know nothing at all about it. Because of the lack of sources, I cannot tell if I should believe what you wrote or not.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 22:09, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

text: You are welcome. I think you would find your idea of posting record labels and MP3 files (even if Wikipedia did work that way) would be a lot mor work than finding one or a few reliable sources! I look forward to seeing your restored and referenced addition.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 01:02, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Latin tango

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message: Moreover, the first tango recorded by an orchestra was "Don Juan", whose author is Ernesto Ponzio. It was recorded by the orchestra of Vicente Greco. 
This appears to be referring to 
https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/2000085916/55401-Don_Juan
However UC Santa Barbara also has listings for the Victor Argentine Orchestra
https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/mastertalent/detail/349076/Victor_Argentine_Orchestra giving dates of 1906.
The earliest catalog number is "Apolo"
https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/200005223/B-3602-Apolo
and the earliest listed with audio is "A la vuelta"
https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/200005226/B-3605-A_la_vuelta
SunKing777 (talk) 08:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest Recording