Talk:Collie

message: "Tricolors are mostly black and white with sable markings."
Excuse me, but the brown markings on tri dogs are not sable. They are tan. The word 'sable' means that the dog is tan with black-tipped hairs. The tan markings do not have black tips.
:Be bold. Edits from knowledgeable sources are encouraged. Elf | Talk 02:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc editing notes up to June 2007

message: I wonder if there is a need for a more general article about collies – this one is almost entirely about rough/smooth collies.  Although others are mentioned briefly, the text tends to assume that the rough/smooth collie is "the" collie ("the breed is..." etc).  As a keeper of two working collies (a Welsh Collie and a Kelpie), I do have to admit a certain bias here...
My feeling is that there are many collies and collie-type breeds which would benefit from a more general article, and the existing article would be better, with very few amendments, as a "Scotch Collie" article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard New Forest (talk • contribs) 15:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now moved the rough/smooth collie info to a new Scotch Collie page (there are already good Rough Collie and Smooth Collie pages too), and I've included some more general information about collie types here, including a summary of breeds and types.--Richard New Forest 14:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other collie breeds 

message: I'm not at all sure about the statement "originating primarily in Scotland".  While this may apply to some types such as the rough/smooth collie, I'm sure it does not to some others.
My understanding is that collies were (and are) found as landrace farm dogs throughout the British Isles, particularly in the upland north and west, but not mainly or exclusively in Scotland.
Is there a source for the Scottish origin claim?
Richard New Forest 15:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good edit by Skybluepete, answering my query as far as rough (and presumably smooth?) collies go.  Is there similar evidence for other types of collie?  If not, perhaps the first sentence of the article could be amended.  Richard New Forest 19:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of breed 

message: I've found very little information on collies in Ireland, and what there is seems to refer to Border Collies rather than to any native type.  Do landrace collies/sheepdogs occur in Ireland as well as in Britain?  If so, are they of any distinctive type?--Richard New Forest 14:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collie-type dogs in Ireland 

message: To be able to put a reference in the collie names section, we need some specific references. Some research needs to be done into what are traditional, original, common, etc. names, and make sure that the list is edited appropriately. Resources:
* http://home-l2.tiscali.nl/~palado/bcdb/dognames.htm
* http://www.gis.net/~shepdog/BC_Museum/Permanent/BC_Names.html (which looks like it might be relying on the first source for its info)
I'm not finding any other reliable-looking sources online for what makes a "traditional" BC name.  Elf | Talk 23:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Collie names

message: I think we need pictures of a collie. --KushalClick me! write to me 16:30, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, thought we had some at one point. Have added a couple. Elf | Talk 21:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures please 

message: User: 78.32.131.83 just removed various references to "Great Britain", with the following edit summary: "Great Britain is an archaic term for the UK only used in sporting events. 'North' Britain is an archaic and unacceptable term which can be offensive to people from the member states in the UK."  I have reverted these changes.
The difficulty here is that we have no information or refs for Ireland (see also my request above).  The full title of the United Kingdom is of course the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.  "Great Britain" is not in fact an archaic term for the UK, it is a geographical term for the part of the British Isles which does not include Ireland.  All the info we have indicates that collies originated from the geographical Great Britain, independent of the modern political divisions – and quite possibly before those divisions arose.  The reverted edit offered the phrase "originating in Scotland and the North and West of England" as a way of avoiding offence to "people from the member states [sic] in the UK".  I could find that offensive, as it forgets Wales! (Incidentally, they are member countries, not states: it's the UK that's the state, at the moment at least.)
It seems very likely to me that collies did arise in the British Isles (or whatever you wish to call them) as a whole, but at the moment we have no information showing that they occurred historically in Ireland at all.  Until we do, we really have to keep the geographical descriptions to Britain.  I don't really think the current wording could cause offence to anyone, but if it could, then let's find phrasing which does not – without taking the article outside what can be reffed.  Richard New Forest (talk)
:Sounds like a cybernat. Some of these people have a massive chip on their shoulder. --Ef80 (talk) 19:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Britain/United Kingdom

message: You know, I agree that having photos on top is better, but the way it is now really messes up the formatting -- the edit links for all the top sections are now bunched up in one place and run into the text. Putting the images down in a separate gallery solves that problem. Or should we put the gallery on top? 70.129.181.63 (talk) 00:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not really sure what you mean.  The edit links seem fine to me at all window sizes, with the pictures one above the other neatly down the right hand side, with the edit links just to the left of them against each section.  Nothing runs into the text.  Could it just be your browser...?  Richard New Forest (talk) 21:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a browser issue.  I just tested the page in Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer(IE), and Safari.  Of those four, only IE rendered the section edit links correctly.  Firefox bunched the first four edit links into the first line of the working types subsection.  Chrome and Safari rendered the first four edit links in sixth line of the working types subsection.  However, they super-scripted the links, thus partially overwriting the text in the fifth line.  I am going to experiment with image placement to see if I can resolve this issue. Coaster1983 (talk) 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placement of photos 

message: The photograph labeled "Rough Collie" is a Shetland Sheepdog, not a Rough Collie.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.227.146 (talk) 00:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What makes you think so?  Richard New Forest (talk) 08:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo of Rough Collie

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message: I don't have the book on my shelves, so I'm posting this note based on memory, and will have to verify it at some point. As I recall, the original novel "Lassie Come-Home, did NOT mention that Lassie was what is called today a Rough Collie. If I recall, that Lassie was a dog of working dog blood, although she was just as much a pet to the boy. It was not so long ago, and it was so in the timeframe represented in the novel, I think, that this breed of collies were called Standard Collies, as the AKC type breeders wanted their dogs to be THE standard. We will have to add Terhune's books to the lists, of course. They may not be well known today, but they were once quite famous.
Mbuell72 (talk) 03:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collies In Fiction