Talk:Château Laurier

message: Ottawa's Oldest radio Station is CIWW (Originally CKOY) founded in 1922. CNRO (Canadian National's Ottawa radio Station) was founded in 1924.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cocgle (talk • contribs) 13:25, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
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message: I propose to change the official title of this article to: Fairmont Château Laurier, as it is officially referred to by the chain. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gilles f. pirionne (talk • contribs) .
:I would disagree.  The naming conventions suggest using the most common name for the article title (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names)), not necessarily the official name.  The hotel has been known since its construction as the Château Laurier, and I would suggest that few people, if any (outside of the Fairmont marketing department), refer to it as the Fairmont Château Laurier.  It is always referred to as the Château Laurier, or just "the Château". Fairmont Château Laurier is a redirect, in the off chance anyone does a search using the official name.  I note that the article on the chain itself is called Fairmont Hotels and Resorts, rather than using the official corporate name of Fairmont Hotels and Resorts Inc.  I also note that most of the articles respecting Fairmont hotels in Canada do not use Fairmont in the article title -- the Royal York and Palliser being the obvious exceptions (and arguably, Fairmont should be removed from both those titles in accordance with the naming convention).  Skeezix1000 11:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel the same way about the Fairmont Hotel Vancouver and many others [oh, I see that one's had its name changed and is now without the "Fairmont" part.  The modern branding significantly predates the rebranding of CP Hotels as Fairmont (or is it Westin that's CP Hotels?), and all such hotels are known by the their names rather than their brands, except with ones where the brand is the name, such as the Delta in Whistler.  I just found The Westin Nova Scotian, which has only been a Westin since 2003 and the name is a lot older than that, and shouldn't have the "The" either; there's a redirect in the way or I'd have moved it; on the other hand, most Haligonians call this "the Westin" as calling it "the Nova Scotian" gets a bit confusing out there, given there's I think a vessel and and a newspaper, or was, by that name....I've been browsing Canadian hotels tonight, looking for examples of GAs or even B class articles; are there any?  That most are "start" makes me think that maybe there should be a Canadian working group within WP:Hotels to bring them up to standard, given how many are national icons...some even have unreferenced tags on them, as well as predictable "advertising tags"....and there's lots of major hotels, historical and modern, that need articles, too, e.g. the Chateau Whistler and others in the RMOW, and many in Vancouver as well that rank as notable, grand or otherwise.  The brandings should be removed from them wherever possible, and likewise any "The FOO hotel" titles should be "FOO hotel" or "Hotel FOO", again wherever possible; not sure what the Delta is in Whistler now, when it opened it was the Delta at Whistler Mountain I think; we just always called it "the Delta"....there's numerous old hotels in Victoria that warrant articles, the Royal Oak Hotel (Canada) may already have an article, but the Douglas and others are highly notable historically...the James Bay Inn also comes to mind and it was the Oak Bay Inn or Oak Bay Hotel I meant before, just amending.....modern hotels seem to have the edge there, either because the articles were started promotionally or they're the ones that younger contributors are aware of because they're big and shiny.  I've asked or made notice at the WP:N noticeboard's talkpage about the idea of a Notability guideline for hotels but no takers so far; and it seems we don't have properly more-than-start class articles for even significant hotels already....hm just remember the Bayshore Inn article had been the Westin Bayshore Inn when I first saw it, maybe that's had the brand taken off its title, also....it was a CP Hotel, famously so as a new-era CP Hotel, so "Westin" is I guess the CP Hotels re-brand....Fairmont was something else before too...CN Hotels?Skookum1 (talk) 17:14, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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