Talk:The Best Damn Thing

message: I've cited all the tracks, please be sure to give links if you're going to add any more. It's a hassle to clean it up. Also, a note should be added that it is in fact a paparazzi picture that has been put up, I'll try and get that fixed. Britishenglish 21:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever keeps deleting the references, cut it out. There are more references in the article than just the Billboard site. And please quit removing the link to the Rolling Stone article, it is proof of the existence of "I Could Do Better". This is getting irritating. Britishenglish 22:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations Added 

message: This section in the main article currently includes the following information about a Paris Hilton song: On July 10, the song "I Don't Have to Try" sparked further plagiarism speculation, after Perez Hilton and Rolling Stone noted similarities between it and Peaches's 2003 song "I'm the Kinda".[11]
While this sentence about Ms. Hilton's song is true, I am wondering what the connection is to Lavigne.  This is not a page about current plagarism allegations in popular music.  It is about the album "The Best Damn Thing."  Should the sentence about "I Don't Have To Try" be removed? GRSUS 07:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism Allegations

message: This is clearly a biased article. I'm really starting to lose my faith in Wikipedia. The article states that Lavigne was "exonerated" but settled out of court. Settling out of court is not an exoneration, and is usually a sign of guilt.
Also, the article says Chantel Kreviazuk retracted her claims of plagiarism. I can find no article on the internet that says that, and the source cited is an article where Kreviazuk repeats her accusation. Not to mention, this should be in a Controversy section on Lavigne's main page. Clearly this is an attempt to keep a Controversy section out of her article.
You guys should be ashamed of yourself. You should know better than to edit an article for a performer you like and respect. It's unprofessional, and gives us articles like this, which are so biased they're not even worth reading.
Get it together. Christ.  Maynard (talk) 22:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: The track listing has been removed from the article, was the one which was there was unconfirmed? or it had been confirmed via her Myspace account? Well, if it was confirmed from her official Myspace account, taht must be true.. or at least we put tuhe unconfirmed temporary track listing here? before the official one is confirmed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.247.53.106 (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Confirmed) Track Listing 

message: That isn't her new album cover.That is a paparazzi shot of her when she was shooting photos for her new album (most likely for the linear notes). Johnpedia 09:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album cover 

message: Added new song from rolling stone article, see article at: http://popoutblog.blogspot.com and that is NOT her album cover.
24.69.67.173 03:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Can Do Better 

message: She is definitely not doing "anything" that can be related to punk rock or pop punk. Please stop changing the genre.
::But her music is not related to Rock either. It is something close to a commercial Pop pop music. My opinion is (based on her previously released tracks) that this can be a kind of lame punk pop. Anyway, it's very far from Rock, lol. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Levidos (talk • contribs) 17:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about power pop? I know it sounds ditzy, but it's actually the label the Who used to describe themselves. Classified by a focus on the melody, and instrumentally being guitar-driven (especially electrically). The genre's morphed to include the likes of Green Album-era Weezer, Fountains of Wayne and the New Pornographers. I wouldn't say that's bad company for Avril, and it's got "pop" built right into the name. DackAttac 06:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Curiously, The Best Damn Thing is much closer to pop punk than her previous outputs (Let Go and Under My Skin). I can understand that Let Go is somewhat pop or alternative-rock while Under My Skin is pop-rock. Some tracks on The Best Damn Thing is still pop-rock, but some of them do have pop-punk influence on them. No relation to punk-rock, though.
A pop-punk influence does not make her pop punk. She sounds nothing like Screeching Weasel, Descendents, or Lagwagon, which are REAL pop punk bands.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SumwhatDecent (talk • contribs) 18:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Is this really noteworthy? It's not like she hasn't cursed on an album before, plus I don't believe one F-bomb is enough to get the sticker on some labels. The Strokes, also on RCA, managed to drop two of them on Barely Legal, but its album Is This It didn't get the explicit stamp. I suppose given the era of all-ages pop-rock Avril's career originated amidst and the cultural connotations with that label, it would be noteworthy. But only if this disc gets the label.
And for the record, the censoring wasn't really appropriate. If an album says fuck, its page shouldn't be so shy. DackAttac 06:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gwen Stefani only used two fucks and she got one. P!nk only used three fucks as well and look at what happened to hers. But then again, Britney Spears got away with one fuck on her "In The Zone" CD. -24.92.43.153 06:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no universal standard for the stamp, each label has its own set of standards. P!nk's on Arista (plus that CD had nine fucks on it) and Gwen's on Interscope. But if that deluxe cover's for real, it's all moot anyway. DackAttac 05:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I never noticed any "fuck" on In The Zone. Alex43223 T | C | E  15:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parental Advisory 

message: The first two cites in the article, from MTV News, don't confirm either the title or the release date, yet they are in a position in the article where one would expect them to confirm those things. It's misleading. Cites should correspond to the actual information they're backing up. Everyking 09:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cites

message: A new version in the Album?Yeah, right....Xr 1 21:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep Holding On 

message: If you ask me, I think that whoever added the singles section should make it smaller because it's way too big. If no one changes it, I will. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Musictomyears (talk • contribs) 14:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles 

message: When you say Standard you mean 'I will never Find the {Only Good}Bad version so instead I have to listend to Shhhh, Hey, Mother____ crap'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.108.4.72 (talk) 02:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Standard version

message: You need a lot more citations for the Sales/Shipments section. The Taiwan G-Music Charts only show the percent of the chart that the album has sold, so it makes me curious how you know it has sold/shipped 20,000 already. X2RADialbomber 01:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales/Shipment Citations needed 

message: wait what? May 5th?
:::From the billboard hot 100 article:
Each chart is dated with the "week-ending" date of the following Saturday.
    Example:
        Monday, January 1 – sales tracking-week begins
        Wednesday, January 3 — airplay tracking-week begins
        Sunday, January 7 – sales tracking-week ends
        Tuesday, January 9 – airplay tracking-week ends
        Thursday, January 11 – new chart released, with issue date of Saturday, January 20.''
― LADY GALAXY ★彡  Refill/lol 02:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On May 5th, "Girlfriend" reached #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, 

message: Can we add that the album is dumb and she lost most of her old fanbase because the album is weak and horribly written? TaylorLTD 23:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we can't unless we have a reliable, written source--84.129.125.88 14:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say this is her penultimate album. Not a reliable source, either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.3.173.55 (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: but

message: add this album (the best damn thing) to the categorie of "pop-punk album"
(Gabo 084 22:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add other CATEGORIE 

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message: The following singles have been released so far.
special single: "Keep Holding On" (Eragon Soundtrack)
"Girlfriend" , "When You're Gone", "Hot" 
Here now my critics:
"I Can Do Better" ... In a vote the 2nd most believe it as next single. I think it would be to risky since Avril Lavigne said she recorded the song when she was drunk,but it is one of here favoutires. It's not so catchy IMHO but still rock.
"Runaway" ...Most belive it as up comming single. I don't think so because it wouldn't have a surprise effect on release, as it's already in the ng under of the billboard charts. It's more pop than rock, not so catchy at all and a bit boring IMO.
"The Best Damn Thing" ... Well it's got the same tintle like the album and has charted in the billboard bubbling under and so not unknown anymore. But it is very catchy I find. As it's boy bashing it's more natural avril style than songs like e.g. Hot,Contagious. It does rock, but I'm not sure if it's most powerfull than the other remained songs.
"Everything Back but You"... This song has a good mix  between Avril's natural elements like "boy-bashing", and reminds a bit on the punky touch.
And the slang words. I dont't find the best choice(not the most powerful) but avril may choose it.
"Innocence" - Here I agree with that what other think: "If this song comes up as new single, people may say she releases always power ballades".
But this doesn't say I dont' like the song. It's may just not be so good choice marketing technical. Also it has been been played in some North American radio stations already and the rumours about an italian single relase and it's also been in bubbling under charts. It's just maybe to well known.
"I Don't Have to Try" - This song I find is most powerfull of the remaining songs,(when we take the standard album). It's also a bit heavy metal I would say. And the bonus that is not known so much.
"One of Those Girls" -I personally do like the  text of the song. But objective I don't think it's superior minded to the others.
"Contagious" ..I  believe the song is to short to make a video. And it's it's not so special.
"Keep Holding On" ..Why should the song be re-released. Marketing technical a crazy idea.
"Alone" - This song was the B-Side of Girlfriend. But it's very very catchy, super music maybe even better than Girlfriend.When I think about this song I had good ideas for a video. If it wasn't alredy a B-Side it would have been marketing technical an interesting idea to release this song now and then afterwars release the album again with the song "Alone" know added. It is on the "Limited Edition" I know but one can't get this album everywhere.
"I Will Be" Maybe good idea, but may have the same effect like Innocence/Keep holding on
that she releases to much ballades.
Conclusion
*Opinion of Others:
According to AvrilBandaids most find Runaway best choice for 4th Single.
*My opinion:  Avril Lavigne newer ever has released song's that contain of more than 3 words in the song title.
So subjective I'd find really the best song to release could be Alone because it's catchy also boy bashing..
So if I let the stupid fact away and stay objective and think about what's possible I would say to release I Don't Have to Try is the best way. The punkish fans would like it and it's powerfull and boy bashing too IMO.
   
*But I can't really say what Avril will do only what would be best to do.
So I think she may choose Everything Back but you (has punk edge and is on a DVD performed (Live). 
I also think she maybe doesn't release a 4th Single but that would be a to easy solution and Avril is rather a bit "Complicated" so that doesn't fit together *g*.
N00bh4ck3r (talk)--
:Can't we just WAIT till the next single is confirmed/released? Darth NormaN (talk) 14:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th Single?! 

message: Why was it merged into the album? It doesn't match anything tour related on Wikipedia at ALL!!!
209.89.227.122 (talk) 00:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah because after all its just a tour.. this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_Damn_Thing#Promotion is everything that has to be said about the tour imo --Darth NormaN (talk) 02:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

text: OK, but then under your reasoning, The Return of the Spice Girls, Get Loose Tour and Dignity Tour shouldn't exist then? --WestJet (talk) 22:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  well there was a discussion about deleting the tour article.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Best_Damn_Tour Darth NormaN (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

text: So what about merging it more like we did on the other albums? I prepared something, look: The Best Damn Tour - Darth NormaN (talk) 20:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Best Damn Tour

message: hey, i looked through the article today and somehow i dont like that those two sections are seperated from each other.. what about moving them together? i thought about the following: 1. remove all the text that is written about the singles; 2. moving the chart table to "charts performance and sales" and 3. update the chart table properly with the REAL peak numbers
would shorten the article a lot in my opinion, what do you think? Darth NormaN (talk) 14:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Darth_NormaN/The_Best_Damn_Thing tell me what you think, please Darth NormaN (talk) 01:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart performance and sales -> <- Charts 

message: please STOP ADDING THE TOUR DATES! its against WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, WP:OR and WP:NN.
The article also gets way too long and all information about the dates and setlist are referenced in the passage concerning the tour. thanks. --Darth NormaN (talk) 11:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: well all tour articles consisting out of tour dates only got deleted (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bonez_Tour, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Promotional_Tour_2004) and why do we need the tour dates in an encyclopedia? i mean if you want to visit one of her concerts, just go to her website, the dates are there. Wikipedia should only inform the reader, that there IS a tour and MAYBE link to the dates/setlist of that tour on the artist's site. --Darth NormaN (talk) 23:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, there you're right. But please link to sites which won't remove the dates after they are over. So the official site is not the best idea.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oli W 93 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Best Damn Tour 

message: What's the problem putting a lot of genres that avril doesn't sing too?
It's really absurd I think that it'll better if we put genres with some source... and stop to adding a lot of non-sense genres to this album. 
PS: there are a lot of genre than the best damn thing's songs!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.213.39.188 (talk) 20:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See the related discussion at Talk:Avril Lavigne#Genres D0762 (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  STOP with the Genres! 

message: On the Limited Version of the best damn thing i bought "Girlfriend Manderin Version (Clean)" is a bonus track and "When You're Gone" is an iTunes bonus track on the Deluxe Edition on itunes (at least in Canada).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.127.193.43 (talk) 06:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other bonus tracks 

message: I don't know about anyone else, but I'm tired of seeing the "stub" banner at the top of the page. I have checked the article and the stub template has been removed, so if someone more qualified than me could make a fair assessment of the article that would be great:) Lowri (talk) 18:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Class?

message: On July 2, 2007, songwriters for the U.S. band The Rubinoos filed a lawsuit against Lavigne, her publishing company and Dr. Luke, stating that the song "Girlfriend" was very similar to The Rubinoos' 1979 single "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend". This single was plagiarized from "Get Off Of My Cloud", which song of The Rolling Stones and was released in 1965. [11]
The hastily written second sentence about the Rubinoos song plagiarizing the Rolling Stones song is not supported by anything in note 11. I'm leaving it alone because I don't really care.
75.68.160.188 (talk)Sean  —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  get off of my cloud 

message: hey there, it would be nice if someone else could look into The Best Damn Tour 2008 to pick out the most relevant infos of the tour and merge them into this article. I've already started doing so but maybe I overlooked something important. Thanks --Darth NormaN (talk) 14:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging The Best Damn Tour 

message: With a bit of expansion to the opening paragraph, I think this could be a Good Article. Anyone else agree? Zylo1994 (talk) 18:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Forget I said that o_o Zylo1994 (talk) 14:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA? 

message: Awesome article here with all sorts of goodies on the behind-the-scenes of this album. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 09:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  MIX magazine 

message: Out of curiosity, why is there a semi-lock on this article? lol
Also, where did the Slant Magazine review go? I realize that they're insulting Avril (Which makes me want to lkajgkajs them) but it still provides an unbiased look on this article, besides saying "Slant magazine gave it poor reviews". 66.60.210.32 (talk) 08:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was a dead link so it probably got removed. Zylo1994 (talk) 09:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curiosity + Where Did The Slant Mag. Review Go? 

message: Are only two songs on this album explicit? "Girlfriend", and "I Can Do Better" -- CDK (talk) 07:01, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I Don't Have to Try and Everything Back But You are also explicit. --GouramiWatcher (Gulp) 03:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explicit 

message: I've read this Wiki article and those pertaining to the singles released from this album and I have yet to find which studio(s) the songs were recorded in. We have producer's credits, songwriting credits, session musicians, etc. etc. but nowhere is the studio listed. Can the gatekeeper of this Wikki article please include this information. Thank You. By the way, just as an aside, it's interesting to listen to Avril's recordings at this late date and hear in retrospect how much Taylor Swift and Ke$ha's productions/songs sound like Avril's. She is clearly a leader. 184.76.56.97 (talk)JSJR 01232014  —Preceding undated comment added 09:45, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  An Important Fact is Missing 

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