Talk:Caucasus

message: Iran is not a Caucasian nation, the Caucasus ends at the border with Iran.Azerbaijani 21:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I took Iran out, because as far as I know, no part of Iran is in the Caucasus. The border with Iran marks the end of the Caucasus and the beginning of the Iranian plateau (relatively ofcourse).Azerbaijani 21:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some part of Iran are in Caucasus, Most parts of Caucasus was under control and a part of Iran at Qajar Dynasty, which was given to Russian under several wars. By the way, Iran had a long time of history and culture within Caucasus. Amiria703 (talk) 15:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Greece not European?  What the heck do you mean by that?  It was the Greeks who came up with the concept of Europe in the first place! Wardog (talk) 15:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Europe is an invented continent. It's really just part of the larger Eurasian land mass. But based on conventional definitions Greece is clearly European. In fact, it was the Greeks who invented the idea of Europe as a separate continent. They considered themselves Europeans back then and still do today. So by all accounts, they are more "European" than anyone else. They symbolize the origins of the concept of Europe. Now do tell us how Greece is not European and how one can realize this by living there? What, just because it has some cultural differences than other parts of Europe? Do you think all European cultures are the same? Europe is not a monolith. Of course there is going to be differences between regions. It's a highly diverse and fragmented place. Is France like Latvia? Is Ireland like Romania? Is Finland like Italy? By your logic Hindu India is not part of "Asia" because it doesn't adhere to the Islamic and Confucian traditions that dominate the continent.       — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheyCallMeTheEditor (talk • contribs) 22:31, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Caucasus

message: A more recent map should be used here to show current countries BigEyedFish (talk) 07:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the proposal and think this image is suitable. As caucasus is a geographical region this picture is more suitable for the article that the other images on the wikicommons which are political maps mostly.  -ArazZeynilitalkcontrib19:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: "The Caucasus or Caucasia is a region in Eurasia bordered on the north by Russia, on the southwest by Turkey, on the west by the Black Sea, on the east by the Caspian Sea, and on the south by Iran." I think the defintion is not correct. The region is not bordered with Turkey's and Russia's borders as it is bordered with Black Sea, Caspian and Iran. So a reader may get a meaning that Caucasia ends with border of Russia and Turkey, which is not correct part of these countries are included in Caucasian region. We should rephrase the first definition sentence.-ArazZeynilitalkcontrib19:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  definition not correct 

message: An image of this particular region would be swell... not just maps. - tbone (talk) 14:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image addition? 

message: I accidentally posted the following question in South Caucasus' talk page, but meant to have it here:<BR>
"Does this article need to address whether or not South Caucasus has any link at all, direct or indirect, to the nationality known as "Caucasian"? (I confess that I have no idea.) Thanks." 98.202.38.225 (talk) 15:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caucasian 

message: I'm perplexed how the article jumps from the Georgians to the Chechens in terms of largest ethnolinguistic groups.  I think you missed the Armenians and the Azeris.  I suggest a little research an re-writing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.205.53.50 (talk) 01:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says "The largest peoples of the Caucasian language family..." — Armenian and Azeri don't belong to the Caucasian languages. Of course, there's no such thing as "one Caucasian language family", but it's very probable that it refers to people with languages indigenous to the Caucasus region. — N-true (talk) 12:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics and ethno-linguistic families 

message: Any idea what the etymology of the word Caucasia or Caucasus is?  I couldn't find anything in dictionaries. Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.83.224 (talk) 05:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: It surely isn't between these places. It must surely be in one, some or all of them. Also, the middle east is in Asia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.57.113 (talk) 11:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: between Europe, Asia, and the Middle East

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message: The map used in this article, claiming to show the Caucasus, shows only the North Caucasus plus Georgia.  In addition, it appears that it is a copyright violation, and likely to be deleted.  Can anyone find a suitable map that covers the whole region?  Skinsmoke (talk) 23:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Map substituted.  It's not exactly the best map, but is better than anything else available on Wikimedia Commons.  Skinsmoke (talk) 23:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Nagomo Karabakh are not independent states and should not be listed as such at the beginning of the article. I realise they've been put in italics to indicate that they are partially recognised, but they should also be listed under the countries they officially belong to.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.43.72 (talk) 23:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: They're all functionally independent. It makes more sense to put them as italicised states than italicised autonomous regions, especially as both Nagorno-Karabakh and South Ossetia don't at all match administrative divisions of their claimant. CMD (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Good point. We should add that to the note at the bottom. CMD (talk) 10:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Hence "we should add". I've now done this. Official information is not more neutral than unofficial information, and actually has far more reason to hold a POV. CMD (talk) 17:23, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partially recognised states 

message: Abkhazia and karabakh is recognized by UN, EU Nato and by 99% of world government as parts of Georgia and Azerbaijan. excluding Russia nauru vanautu tuvalu and venezuela. Chipmunksdavis u are provoking separatism and radicalism, if karabakh is listed as country than Chechnya must be listed as country too, Ingushetia, Dagestan Circassia Kabardia must be listed as countries too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.73.210.231 (talk • contribs) 
:Chechnya, Ingushetia, etc. have no strong de facto control over their territories. More information can be found at sovereignty and list of states with limited recognition. CMD (talk) 15:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That was another IP. The official status of NKR and South Ossetia according to Azerbaijan and Georgia is that they don't even exist as administrative entities, despite what our table would imply. The current footnote even notes which countries the breakaway states are considered to be part of. Wikipedia doesn't just follow official positions. See WP:Official name as an example. CMD (talk) 11:43, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

text: It's not my version of events, it's the reality on the ground. You don't need a metaphysical position to say that Georgia has absolutely no control in Sukhumi, or Azerbaijan in Stepanakert. As much as the Nagorno-Karabakh border may be a man made concept, it's also a bloody long trench in the ground. CMD (talk) 00:18, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

text: It's not my perception of the situation, it is the actual situation, which is pretty objective, as far as standards go. Please see the Declarative theory of statehood. There's more than one way to define a state. The dispute over their statehood is indicated by the italics, and by the footnote. CMD (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Abkhazia and South Ossetia don't "enjoy a high degree of autonomy", they function completely separately from Georgia. Euphemisms won't change this. Placing them on the level of subdivisions gives the misleading impression that they function as such, when they are, as you say, de facto independent. Nagorno-Karabakh is also completely independent, totally outside of the control of the Azerbaijani government. CMD (talk) 18:30, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Agree on flags, but the main dispute here is whether they should be listed under their claimant states in the same way as the autonomous regions are, or in line with states (in both cases italicised). CMD (talk) 12:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would list them with states. If they are italicised then that would handle the dispute issue. Outback the koala (talk) 23:32, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If those breakaway regions are considered de-jure parts of certain states, that connection should be demonstrated. Completely detaching them I believe is wrong. Grandmaster 17:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's demonstrated in their being italicised, and explicitly noted, state by state, in the note below. CMD (talk) 18:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That may not be sufficient. Listing the unrecognized statelets in almost the same manner as de-jure states gives a wrong impression that they all have the same status. While the footnotes provide explanation of their status, the visual display kind of contradicts that. I think this causes most of objections. Italicising is not so much visible. I think the unrecognized entities should somehow be grouped together with the states they are recognized to be parts of. Grandmaster 08:02, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The italicising is part of the visual display, which in no way contradicts the note. Let's not belittle readers by assuming they can't put two and two together (3 including the map). CMD (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abkhazia, Karabakh 

message: Perhaps there should be a brief NPOV mention of disputed territories in this region with a  or  template:
:For further information on disputed territories in this region, see [this], [that] and [the other].
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~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 10:02, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There should probably be a section on states and disputed territories. We can just shift the list from the lead. CMD (talk) 12:21, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification needed 

message: The following paragraph needs to be bumped ahead of the paragraph immediately above it:
"In modern times, the Caucasus became a region of war among the Ottoman Empire, Iran and Russia, and was eventually conquered by the latter (see Caucasian Wars)." 
The article on Caucasian Wars says they took place between 1817–1864, which is a century before the 1918 conquest by the new Soviet Union.  The indicated paragraph follows directly from the final sentence of the paragraph it should follow.
71.163.114.49 (talk) 17:45, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks! CMD (talk) 19:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  backward 

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thread_title:  Possible copyright problem 

message: Just happened by it and wanted to say kudos... I love all the info, the flags, all the pictures, the terms in different languages, etc... Really well done! I'm nominating it for a Good Article. Wikimandia (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a GORGEOUS article!!!! =

message: Ukrainians/Cossacks and Kurds/Yazidis both have significant populations in the region, so I included Ukrainian and Kurdish to the Modern Endonyms subsection. Adorkable Corgi (talk) 08:56, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Kurdish and Ukrainian to Modern Endonyms 

message: One explanation for my edit. Caucasus is located in between Iran and Turkey. But that does not mean Iran and Turkey a part of the Caucasus. Bruskom talk to me 03:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caucasus region 

message: Dear User:LouisAragon, Generally the letter "q" stands for the phoneme /q/ (Voiceless uvular stop). There is no such a phoneme in Tehraner Persian. The Perso-Arabic letter "qaf" in a typical RP of Tehraner Persian syllable structure pronounces /ɢ/ or /ɣ/ (intervocalic positions). On the other hand, despite the historical Persian vowel system that the vowel pairs differ in length /a/ vs. /a:/ (quantitative distinction), in RP Tehraner Persian they differ in quality /æ/ (near-open front unrounded vowel) vs. /ɒ/ (open back rounded vowel). So "Ghæfghaz" is a better Romanisation/Transcription for قفقاز. X.goodarzie 13:30, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: On Transcription of Tehraner Persian (Received Pronunciation) قفقاز

message: Current geographic map is required to be changed. Regions are labeled with nor current legal names neither ones in any other period. The region which is on north east part of Turkish Republic is labeled with utterly irrelevant name. This map is incorrect and inappropriate. It is required to be changed. Aruperusaidu (talk) 06:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geographic Map 

message: Armenia is not recognized by the Pakistani government, so we must add Armenia to Partially or unrecognized states.
Pakistan was the first country along with Turkey to recognize Azerbaijan after its independence. Pakistan does not recognize Armenia and will never do so. We speak with one voice on NagornoKarabakh. On 14th March, 2008 we together passed the first Resolution 882 on Nagorno-Karabakh. Azerbaijan has supported us on Kashmir and we are thankful to you for that. 
Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed
Pakistan has not recognized Armenia nor established diplomatic relations with that country
Eldar Ibrahimov
http://www.today.az/news/politics/30102.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20090219074354/http://foreignaffairscommittee.org/includes/content_files/Report%2021%20-%20Visit%20to%20Azerbaijan.pdf Beshogur (talk) 14:23, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That section is for countries that either have no recognition or some. Armenia is recognized by every other country in the world. Also partially means: only in part; to a limited extent. How is one country out of close to 200 partially?Ninetoyadome (talk) 18:12, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Armenia is not recognized by all countries. Get your facts! Beshogur (talk) 14:05, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Pakistan, they are the only country that doesnt recognize Armenia. http://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-the-only-country-not-recognizing-armenia.298703/ Maybe you should get your facts straight. Ninetoyadome (talk) 16:25, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: @Beshogur; I hope you're actually joking with your proposal, because otherwise you're blatantly violating WP:GAME. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 17:45, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partially or unrecognized states 

message: Is anyone able to make an English-language version of the  used in this article?  I added the English translations of the French places names in the comments section of this Graphics Lab request.  Thank you!  Ketone16 (talk) 20:37, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind; I created my own English version and added it to the article.  Ketone16 (talk) 04:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  English-language Caucasus map? 

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thread_title:  References 

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message: Should it be included in the infobox? And which one? It's either Caucasian or Caucasic, or both.--46.172.130.105 (talk) 23:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demonym/adjective? 

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message: I accept that Iran and Turkey are not in the Caucusus, but then, do you know to reformat the infobox? Leo1pard (talk) 04:45, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: Please add the flags of Iran and Turkey, in the right hand side table under the map of the region. There should be six countries which are Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran, Russia, Turkey, not four. Jacob485 (talk) 04:08, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Iran and Turkey are not Caucasus.  — LeoFrank  Talk 07:05, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2018 

message: @LouisAragon I don't know how you can say a map which misleads readers as to the extent of the region is more "useful". It's the first image they will see in the entire article and it clearly infers the region is much smaller then it actually is. Also you can't see any of the labels at the size it is in the infobox, that's why locator maps typically go in the infobox and more detailed maps go in the article body. I can't find a detailed map showing the whole region, but I'm pretty sure it's far more preferred that we have a map which shows the actual extent of the region as the first thing the reader is going to see. Rob984 (talk) 14:53, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what you mean, but it can be argued both ways. Yeah, a detailed map showing the whole region would be ideal. Anyways, lets see what other editors of this topic area think   . Do you prefer this map for the infobox or this one? - LouisAragon (talk) 20:03, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do not have a strong opinion on this, any of the two maps would be fine.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:11, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map is misleading since it obscures most of [[North Caucasus]] 

message: I'm adding quotes from the Britannica source now but in the future, but I don't think you reviewed the Britannica source before reverting. Please make sure the content is actually verified by the inline citations. If there are other reliable sources with different views we can discuss that here, but we can't cite Britannica for the statement that  when Britannica itself uses that definition. (The 1910 Britannica doesn't, but the most recent one that we've cited does:
Britannica is also a pretty heavyweight source, so whatever sources are brought to bear on this would need to be equally authoritative. I'm absolutely not going to get behind miscited sources the way it was done in this article.Seraphim System (talk) 22:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent reverts 

message: I am sorry I take back Polinarok's changes because I see already LouisAragon earlier takes back same changes for "POV" and Polinarok gave reason "Caucasus is a borderland" but current article already says this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agamede (talk • contribs) 00:18, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polinarok 

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message: I added three countries to the list, since parts of Iran, Iraq and Turkey are also considered by many as being part of the Transcaucasus and therefore, part of the Caucasus. I quote, from this source, page 72 :
"Transcaucasia is in many respects part of the Middle East and more specifically of a broader area encompassing parts of northwestern Iran, northern Iraq and eastern Turkey."---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 22:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Countries of the Caucasus 

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message: I see nothing about the Armenian genocide in this article. This, and to a lesser extent, the Circassian genocide, are important to the history of this region.Naddruf (talk) 03:50, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian and Circassian genocide 

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message: As per the USSR administration, the autonomous republics and oblasts are referred to the regions with limited autonomy, not the ones with full independence. This concept was applied to all non-abolished autonomous entities after the union republics became independent in 1991. The term "autonomous" does not mean the central government has no control over the territory, but rather it means that the territory has certain autonomy. Georgia and Azerbaijan abolished South Ossetia Autonomous Oblast and Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast respectively in 1990-1991. Officially there are no such autonomies recognized by the central governments. I propose to remove Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) from the list of "Autonomous republics and Federal regions", but to retain that under "Partially recognized states". Same is already applied to South Ossetia in this article and why not to do the same with Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) for accuracy and consistency? KHE'O (talk) 18:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems that we both have our definitions of autonomy relating to this topic, albeit both seem to be correct (Artsakh is ultimately an autonomous country). But meh, it's a minor gripe, go ahead, I retract my objection. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks --KHE'O (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Autonomous republics and federal regions

message: Hello. It seems there is an active edit war ongoing on the article. Please try to settle it here. I accidentally got involved when I did the same edit, not knowing that it was subject to an edit war between you guys. Personally, it doesn't make much sense for Artsakh to be in the list of Autonomous territories since, firstly, Republic of Artsakh is a breakaway, de-facto independent state, not an autonomous republic and within Azerbaijan's legislature, there is no autonomy given yet to Nagorno-Karabakh (it was abolished in 1991). So, currently, only autonomous region in Azerbaijan is Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. If Azerbaijan controls Artsakh or not doesn't matter since a territory's autonomy is decided by its de-jure country (and not even Artsakh claims it's autonomous since it claims to be independent). — CuriousGolden  (T·C)  19:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for a third party view. --KHE'O (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artsakh Autonomy 

message: uzbekistan in part of kavkaz so why isn’t it on the page? 2A02:1810:2426:3C00:DC55:6014:3620:3E8F (talk) 22:48, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  uzbekistan