Talk:Oklahoma City bombing/cutting room floor

message: This page contains a list of the sections or sentences that have been redacted from the main article during my 2-day editing session. --Otheus 15:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

message: *	the Talley reference does not mention the investigation  
===Timothy McVeigh===
*	McVeigh is thought to have modeled the bombing from a similar event described in The Turner Diaries, a white supremacist novel that was found with McVeigh when he was arrested. 
*:	Alluded to in the section on his arrest.  Also, the ADL ref is redundant since the TMT refs also mention this
*	McVeigh's initial court-appointed lawyers were John W. Coyle III and Susan Otto. Before his arraignment, me met briefly with them and admitted to the bombings.Michel, p. 259-260Douglas O. Linder, "The Oklahoma City Bombing & The Trial of Timothy McVeigh", online posting by author, "Famous Trials: Oklahoma City Bombing Trial (Timothy McVeigh Trial) 1997", law.umkc.edu, University of Missouri–Kansas City faculty project website, 2006, accessed February 3, 2007. 
*:	I cannot see relevance, and the "before" conflicts with the confession, which is much more important 
*	When McVeigh spoke about the bombing, he called the casualties in the bombing "collateral damage" and compared the bombing to actions he had taken during the Gulf War. 
*:	Where does this fit in?
*	McVeigh's court-appointed attorney, Steven Jones, summarized the initial rush to blame the Oklahoma City Bombing on Muslim terrorists while arguing for a motion to review CIA investigations following the blast.  
*:	Makes no sense as is. I think this got over-edited
*	Before Timothy McVeigh's hearing, he was moved for his safety from Perry, Oklahoma to Tinker Air Force Base. 
A mob had formed outside the police station he was being held in after learning he was possibly the orchestrator of the bombing). 
*:	Okay, so he was unpopular. 
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*:	apparently redundant, secondary source on McVeigh's motivations 
===Terry Nichols===
*	the federal government reopened their investigation into the bombing after FBI agents, investigating the Midwest Bank Robbers, a white supremacist gang McVeigh had associated with, discovered blasting caps of the same type used in the Oklahoma City bombing.   
*:	This is highly misleading. The article says the retired investigative chief would have reopened the case, if he weren't retired. And I do not think this article is actually a reprint from the AP. 
*:	But if the above does make it back in, then this should also be put back in:
*	Judge Steven W. Taylor found there to be no credible, relevant, or legally admissible evidence of any persons other than McVeigh and Nichols having directly participated in the bombing of the Murrah federal building. 
*:	By the way, yes, I think it's obvious more people were involved, but so what? Both the US Govt and McVeigh were pretty happy that he was the fall guy.
::Comment: Neutral party here, but see Wikipedia:Paris is in France. I saw a couple other things I would comment on but at the risk of DQing myself as reviewer I will hold off.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 14:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reply: Cool. I feel the section needs expanding, and so this should go back in. However, given that it's likely to spur the conspiracy crowd, I'd rather keep it out for now. --Otheus 15:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Understandable. Just pointing it out. A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 16:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: As an additional note I am sure it can be reworded so that it doesn't basically speak directly to conspiracy theories, which I think it does as is.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already gave it a shot. --Otheus 17:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trials and sentencing of the conspirators

message: *	the federal government reopened their investigation into the bombing after FBI agents, investigating the Midwest Bank Robbers, a white supremacist gang McVeigh had associated with, discovered blasting caps of the same type used in the Oklahoma City bombing.   
*:	This is highly misleading. The article says the retired investigative chief would have reopened the case, if he weren't retired. And I do not think this article is actually a reprint from the AP. 
*:	But if the above does make it back in, then this should also be put back in:
*	Judge Steven W. Taylor found there to be no credible, relevant, or legally admissible evidence of any persons other than McVeigh and Nichols having directly participated in the bombing of the Murrah federal building. 
*:	By the way, yes, I think it's obvious more people were involved, but so what? Both the US Govt and McVeigh were pretty happy that he was the fall guy.
::Comment: Neutral party here, but see Wikipedia:Paris is in France. I saw a couple other things I would comment on but at the risk of DQing myself as reviewer I will hold off.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 14:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reply: Cool. I feel the section needs expanding, and so this should go back in. However, given that it's likely to spur the conspiracy crowd, I'd rather keep it out for now. --Otheus 15:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Understandable. Just pointing it out. A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 16:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: As an additional note I am sure it can be reworded so that it doesn't basically speak directly to conspiracy theories, which I think it does as is.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already gave it a shot. --Otheus 17:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Terry Nichols