Talk:Florida/Archive 2

message: I think Florida's transportation section should add the images of the highway number badges similar to the way they are used in the Missouri article. (link to Missouri Transportation section [] ) --Britcom 05:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transportation 

message: Who removed my birding picture?
:(Removed picture from talk page: it screws up the formatting of this page, and doesn't belong here.) 
:The picture was removed from the article by User:Britcom on the 10th of July. Look at the edit summary here if you have questions. Horologium t-c 00:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birdwatching picture 

message: I just noticed the "Bush-haters" are vandalizing the Volusia County, Florida article with bogus information.  (I live in Volusia County)  Please keep an eye on it (RE: Election 2000). Gamweb 22:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not the appropriate page to address this issue. Use the Talk:Volusia County, Florida page. For what it is worth, however, that statement has been on the Volusia County page since 7 November 2005, when it was added by User:Staxringold, who also created the linked article Volusia error. Take it up with him on the Volusia County page or his talk page, please. Horologium t-c 22:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Volusia County issue

message: According to the St. Lucie County Center for Commerce, the population of Port St. Lucie is over 150,000.  I don't know if you want !to change this on the page or not.  Check out this link.  http://www.stluciechamber.org/City_of_Port_Lucie.asp
Casey14 04:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Population figures from sources other than the Census Bureau are notoriously unreliable, as they often include unincorporated areas or even neighboring cities. The most recent US Census Bureau estimates, released on 28 June 2007, are for 1 July 2006, and are the source of the numbers used to group the cities by population. The Excel file can be found at http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/tables/SUB-EST2006-04-12.xls; it shows Port Saint Lucie's population estimate as 130,959. Considering the rate at which the city has been growing, I would not be surprised if it has more than 150,000 people now, but it's best to use a consistent standard rather than a pick-and-choose method. Horologium t-c 11:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I wasn't sure the status of population link requirments.  And not to be nit-picky, but it shows Port St. Lucie's population at 143,000. Casey14 21:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Port St. Lucie population

message: This is something that confused me and need clarification in the Environment section. 
On the main page for Florida this statement appears.
"Florida ranks forty-sixth in total energy consumption per capita, despite the heavy reliance on air conditioners and pool pumps. This includes coal, natural gas, petroleum, and retail electricity sales. It is estimated that only 1% of energy in the state is generated through renewable resources.[14]"
However if you follow the link to the environment article this statement is made.
"Florida ranks fifth in municipal energy use per capita due to the continuous use of air conditioning and pool pumps. It is estimated that only 1% of energy in the state is generated through renewable resources."
These statements contradict each other. Or is total energy consumption per capita somehow different than municipal energy use per capita? stranger things have happened.
Dezarus 23:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. Since the link is dead, I can't read the original article which is cited, but the two figures are related. If one includes the District of Columbia, there are 51 states (I know, DC isn't a state, but work with me), and a state which is 46th highest is 5th lowest. It is likely that one of the figures is counting from highest-to-lowest, and one from lowest-to-highest, but without the original citation, it's not possible to determine whether Florida is a high-usage state or a low-usage state. Our energy consumption is certainly above average in the summer, but it's below average in the winter. Do we have any editors here with Lexis/Nexis access to check the original citation? Horologium t-c 04:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environment article inconsistencies 

message: Any clue when the moratoria on the death penalty will end?  It's been a while.  Emperor001 14:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind.  I saw on another article that Christ removed the moratoria but now there's a new one nationwide.  -- Emperor001 (talk) 17:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Capital Punishment

message: I have eliminated about 17K of extraneous information from this article by creating two new article with all of their info from this article (Transportation in Florida and Education in Florida) and reducing those sections to summations, and by adding a link to Florida census statistical areas in the Demographics section and removing the duplicative list in this article. We are currently at about 79K, which is still far too large for any single article, but a few more bold edits like the ones I just made might get this article back down to something a little more manageable. Horologium t-c 17:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pruning 

message: I have been watching the slow-motion edit war over the adding of the ethnic background list (complete with little flags) and I have to say that I side with the editor who has been removing it, or converting it to prose, rather than a table. This is not something that is really relevant to the article. Looking at some of the Good Article state articles (Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and West Virginia) and the one Featured Article state article (Minnesota), none of them contain this information, which is rather trivial. If we were discussing actual origins (that is, place of birth of residents) it would be a lot more relevant, but not a simple list of backgrounds, few of which have had any significant impact on the state. I'd say that Greeks (especially in Tarpon Springs), Cubans, and the various Caribbean immigrant groups (none of which appear on the list) have played a more important role in the development of the state's culture. This article needs to be made smaller, not larger, and another table of dubious importance is not worth an edit war. Horologium t-c 22:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. That is exactly what I am trying to say. I have left messages on the initial editor who placed the list in the article, but nobody reply. I don't know what I can do, except reverting. Chris! ct 22:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic composition 

message: Britcom is insisting that the OED pronunciation of 'Florida' be used at the top of the article. I think that the pronunciations (flôr′ə də, flär′ədə) given at yourdictionary are closer to what I hear from many residents of the state. While the OED is a superior source for the meaning and etymology of English words, as a British publication it is likely not the best source for pronunciation of an American state name. The main point, however, is that the pronunciation of 'Florida' varies among even natives of the state, and it is not appropriate for us to prescribe one pronunciation over another. -- Donald Albury 11:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a reasonable point, Donald, about the appropriateness of specifying one pronunciation. I would note that the IPN (ˈflɒrɪdə) seems to be basically the same as the sounded pronunciation at "YourDictionary", which I think they are representing with (flär′ədə). I've spent most of my relatively long life in the state, living from far southern to far northern, and have really only noticed two common variations. The usual version is, I believe, in terms of IPN code: flɒrɪdʌ, rather than the flɒrɪdə of the article, but that's just my opinion. In some parts of the state, especially the north, one commonly hears what I think of as: floʊrɪdʌ or even floʊdʌ. Perhaps this proves your point, that the whole issue is arguable. In any case, I can live with the current pronunciation if needed. Tim Ross 16:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My own relaxed pronunciation is more like flärdə (2 syllables). I was born and raised in Miami, but I did live in northern Florida (Gainesville and Tallahassee) for about 15 years.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalbury (talk • contribs) 21:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of 'Florida' 

message: I created List of Florida state symbols and moved the list to the new page, with a link in the See also section. This cut antoher long list (and 5K) from this article, and is in line with similar articles (there are at least 12; see this search result); one of these (List of Maryland state symbols) is a featured list, and I plan to rework the Florida list into a similar format. This is the first time in a LONG time that this article has not had a warning to split the page when doing an edit on the whole article. There are a couple of other lists that need to be addressed, and the references need to be checked for accuracy, formatting, and whether they are still active, but I think we are making good progress now. Horologium t-c 17:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have finished structuring, referencing, and creating a brief introduction for List of Florida state symbols; I'd like to have a couple of people take a look at it and sanity check it before I send it up for review. Horologium t-c 02:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More pruning 

message: Once again, I have had the page semi-protected, as the IP vandals have started hitting the page again. Sorry to the two or three IP editors who have actually usefully contributed. Horologium t-c 11:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protected again