Talk:The Riches

message: I'm pretty sure the title of this show is actually "The R1¢hes." Note the alternative characters in the name spelling.
: Do you have a source? The references in the article use the regular spelling of the word. Rockpocket 01:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As you suggest, the promo seems to use the alternative spelling. I've made a redirect and mentioned the stylistic spelling of the title. Rockpocket 06:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: *It's an i, albeit an un-dotted one, but an i nonetheless.  Not a 1. I've changed the article accordinglyTrevorLSciAct 18:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Newbie editor here. I'm working on character summaries. I'm following the basic format for Dirt (Dirt_TV_series), which does not currently have separate character articles--I know that separate character pages are pretty common, but I'm not sure if we're there yet with this show? Anyway, just giving a heads-up because, as stated, I'm a newb; and to let people know in case there is parallel effort going on. Also, question: if a character's summary necessarily contains plot elements (e.g., explaining Dahlia's drug addiction), does that section need to be spoiler tagged?--Thessaly 20:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jeez, I'd already move the spoiler end template before I read this - not having a good day on this article today! Feel free to move it back if you prefer. Welcome Thessaly, your material seems good so far. Regarding neutrality in character bios, the major thing to do is avoid analysis of their behaviour or actions (something that is rife on forums). Often that means some of the more subtle aspects of their character can be lost, but thats how it goes. Rockpocket 22:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (Let's see if I can intuit this identation trick!) Re: spoilers...due to my television-fandom/forums background, I'm fairly spoiler-phobic, and I'm fine with the summaries being spoilered (esp. while they are part of the main article). I'm also fine with whatever the consensus is--I'm actually not too familiar with wikipedia's treatment of television shows (I'll work on that). :) Thanks again. --Thessaly 22:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Thought about a Buffers heading instead, wasn't sure if it would be too 'inside'. I do like it, though. (Should a brief explanation of what a Buffer is be inserted in the synopsis?) Re: the real Riches...my other hesitation is that I've lost track of what I know about them from the pilot, and what I know about them from episode 2 (which is being webcast early on Yahoo), and I don't want to *really* spoil people. :) --Thessaly 00:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You can always go and add this sort of thing. He's definitely at least a minor character, and he affected the beginning of the series pretty heavily. -Thespian 04:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: Under the article's section, Characters:Travelers:Ginny Dannegan, is mentioned her slow-witted brother, Ken.  Recent episode-plots suggest future recurrence of this character: the addition under "Charachters:Travelers:Ken Dannegan" may be appropriate.Caen 04:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can always go and add this sort of thing. He's definitely at least a minor character, and he affected the beginning of the series pretty heavily. -Thespian 04:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested character addition: Ken (Dannegan?) 

message: Last night when looking at this, I was thinking it might be a good idea to have a section for Doug and Cherien, as there is a lot of information about them that's trickling out about them ("We're Jewish!"), that will be different from the stuff about Dahlia and Wayne. It should likely be marked with a spoiler tag, since everything they find out is pretty much a surprise as it comes. I'm at work right now, but if no one else does it, I'll do it tonight or tomorrow. Thespian 19:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's been agreed on before that the real Riches deserve some blurbs. Speaking only for myself, it's just been laziness preventing me. So go for it, no objections here. :) --Thessaly 23:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added. Needs work, but its there to start on. I'm at work, not at home, so some specifics about the ex-wife, money he'd hidden, and such, which are on the TiVo but not available to me here aren't included. Thespian 19:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to ask about the assertion that Doug obtained his fortune by illegal means - so far I haven't seen anything in the episodes to indicate he was crooked.  He is doing a pretty ordinary thing for divorcees - hiding money from ex'es.  Unless anyone can give me any dialogue that shows he is a crook (apart from being a lawyer!) then it should be removed.Mmm commentaries 21:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters: dead people

message: In the infobox it says the running time is 60 minutes, but the Pilot was 75 minutes and the second episode was 68 (both with commercials). Is the running time for future episodes going to be a more normal 60 minutes (with commercials) or should the article be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cicero17 (talk • contribs) 
:The running time is for without commercials as per guidelines for infobox television. --PhantomS 22:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running time?

message: Should mention be made of the abundance of the word "Shit" being used?  I remember that South Park had a big publicity for this, though I havn't seen any other TV:MA things that arn't animated, so this may not be exceptional for FX.
:The show's content (sex/violence/language) is very low-key compared to other FX dramas, some of which practically venture into the realm of softcore porn on a regular basis. :) That said, I don't know how content warnings in television shows are usually handled on wikipedia. --Thessaly 16:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unless there are reliable sources commenting on the language, there is no justification for us to comment. Rockpocket 18:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Language content?

message: I'm not even sure this sub-section is necessary. "Buffers" is explained elsewhere in the article, and "koosh" (sp?) is easy enough to figure out from context (the few times it's been used). If they had a lot of show-specific words requiring definition, I could see the need for this.--Thessaly 15:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Think of it as a precautionary measure. Irish Travellers in the real world, like all modern nomads, use a lot of their own terminology and even have their own language. We're only two episodes in, so it's impossible to tell at this stage, but it's likely a lot more of it will creep into the show. Besides, some people may not grasp the meaning of the terms immediately; it's inappropriate for us to assume that they will. --Slander 16:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think its needed either (especially not to define Boss). My feeling is that the term buffer is pretty contrived by the producers and not really based in any realistic use by Travellers. Could be wrong, though. Rockpocket 19:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still really not a fan of the 'lexicon', but I haven't been around long enough to feel comfortable deleting an entire section. Input? (The 'Half Breed' definition in particular is problematic, because the show didn't actually define it other than to say that Wayne is 'half buffer'.)  --Thessaly 04:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think there needs to be something.  What I'd really like to see is some documentation of Pavee language & culture as depicted on the show, and preferably how that differs from from real-life Pavee.  For example, the show implies that all Pavee in the Malloy clan are con artists/grifters/etc, however several sites online (including the wiki page) indicate that this is largely an urban legend.  (Although maintaining such a section might be hard based on the current state of the wiki entry.  Its seems that there are not a lot of experts in Pavee culture contributing here. )  For example, in the 4/23 episode, they showed all the mirrors being covered/hidden and the clocks being unplugged after a late night phone call.  It would be nice to know if that was a real tradition, Pavee or just Irish.  I recall my mother mentioning her mother doing something similar, but she claimed her heritage as being solely Irish with no Pavee traces.  Also there was a toast used by Dale in the same episode that sounded like it might be the Cant.  But I can't be sure, both because I know 0 about Pavee culture and I also didn't hear it very well.  72.72.195.36 19:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slang/lexicon 

message: I'm hearing 'Delilah', but I've seen 'Dehliah' in other places. I'm not sure where to find an official source. The FX site kills my laptop. In any case, the hits from sources that seem more reliable (New Yorker) spell it 'Delilah', and my suspicion is that 'Dehliah' is an error that propogated via blog sites. Still, just making note that it's a (mis?)spelling I've seen elsewhere. --Thessaly 04:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the FX site (http://www.fxnetwork.com/shows/originals/theriches/, let the popup pop up, then under the "Meet the Neighbors" section) it's spelled Dehliah. I actually changed it in the article to Delilah because that's what I was hearing too, but maybe it's pronounced just like "Delilah" but without the second L sound, and we're just hearing "Delilah" because that's a more common name..? Make sense? But anyway, in the article it should be spelled the way it is on the FX site for the show, I think, so I'll change it back now. :) --AMK1211 04:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the source. That one was a head-scratcher. --Thessaly 05:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The name is Dehliah. This article is not about promotional materials, nor is it about The New York Times, it is about the Show The Riches, and as such the first source material you should go to is the show itself, and only resort to secondary sources when there is nothing in the primary sources to inform you; in this case if you went to the primary source you would pretty much immediately have your question answered. MarcelB612 (talk) 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dehliah/Delilah 

message: In Episode 3 Dehliah/Delilah actually mentioned Crystal Meth and Speed. Steve110 01:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was Dahlia, not Di Di. --AMK1211 06:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drugs 

message: er, why?  71.104.3.185 02:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because one of the children appears to be a transvestite, I suspect. Rockpocket 02:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.  I believe Eddie Izzard himself would be the first person to tell you that transvestism doesn't necessarily imply an alternative sexuality. 71.104.3.185 02:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  LGBT refers to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, which includes transvestism. Rockpocket 04:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I know both what LGBT stands for AND what "transgenderism" means.  And transgender doesn't "include" transvestism no more than heterosexuality "includes" femdom.  They're on different planes: transgender is a form of gender dysphoria, and transvestism is just a sexual practice.
I'm not griping or anything, but I just think it's kind of odd that it would be considered to be in the scope of LGBT studies.  Certainly isn't doing any harm, I spose.  71.104.3.185 22:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Note that it says, 'within the scope of', not 'part of'. The project is part of WikiTV, but falls within 'the area covered by a given activity or subject' (American Heritage Dictionary) so far as LGBT project goes. It is mildly relevant; Eddie has referred to himself as a cross dresser and a 'male lesbian', and Sam has been addressed. So while it isn't in the project (won't be rated as part of it, etc), it's mildly related and people in that project are likely to be drawn here ;-) Thespian 22:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to our article "Transgender is generally used as a catch-all umbrella term for a variety of individuals... included in this definition are a number of well known sub-categories such as transsexual [and] transvestite." I guess the LGBT Wikiproject considers transvestism under the scope of their interest in transgenderism. I was a bit perplexed when it was first added also, but if it draws more people to contribute to the article, it can only be helpful. Rockpocket 22:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject LGBT studies? 

message: So what is it now?
On the official FX site i read Edenfalls. Most other sites (including Wikipedia) simply refer to Eden Falls which doesn't make it right though. Steve110 
No, you're correct here, Steve.  It should be Edenfalls, all one word if the official site labels it as such. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 14:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Ipstenu, can you verify this? I have only found very little reference (except the one big red button that says Edenfalls (somehow the official site is just confusing me with all its Flash gimmicks). Steve110
That link is a big hint ;) In something easily linkable, though, WARNING! This link reveals plot information! TV.com has it as Edenfalls. tv.yahoo.com has it as one word, so does my DVR. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 18:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eden Falls vs. Edenfalls 

message: Maybe my memory is going bad, but I thought that it was Hugh who pointed out that Jim was gay and not Chunky K. Is my memory failing or did I remember it correctly? Tanner65 05:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jim said something nasty to Chunky, and she shot back a comment about him being gay, which caused the whole table to freeze, except for Hugh, who got all jokey-obnoxious about it. --Thespian 07:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jim Burns

message: Wondering a few things...is Nina's daugter really called "Wes"? For some reason I could swear I heard her refer to her daughter as "Zinnea". Also, how far do we want to go with documenting characters who are either a) completely offstage or b) have only appeared in one or two scenes? --Thessaly 21:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wes Burns" and other very minor characters 

message: It was my interpretation that "buffer", as used in the first/second episodes, was referring to their adopted personas. That is, when Wayne gets into trouble, the authorities look for the persona, rather than Wayne--thus, a buffer between Wayne and the authorities. I don't know who thought of the buffoon corruption.
In either case, it sounds like WP:OR to explain the etymology of the word "buffer" without a source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.18.26 (talk) 22:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've got to say I've never really believed the 'buffer between one class and another' etymology.  Buffer Girls used to 'buff' or polish steel cutlery all day at buffing wheels.  It was typical menial industrial work. That this is in the north of England is neither here nor there in the historical context.  Channel 4 - the worst jobs in history Hakluyt bean (talk) 02:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lexicon - buffer 

message: The article lists the DVD aspect ratio as being 1.33:1, yet the listing on Amazon says 1.78:1.
Can anyone confirm that it is in fact 1.33:1? I'm going to switch it to the amazon listing (especially considering I've never seen an episode in 1.33:3).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.151.180.211 (talk) 01:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD aspect ratio 

message: According to the FX Networks page dedicated to The Riches (http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/theriches), the correct spelling of Cael's name is just that: Cael.  It seems silly to me to cite that source in the middle of the article just for the sake of proving correct spelling, so I'm including the reference here instead, in a conspicuous place.
EDIT: Okay, FX Networks has a pretty obnoxious flash-based site that doesn't seem to load easily, so here's a quick excerpt from Cael's character bio in case anyone has trouble loading the official site via Wikipedia:
::"Cael Malloy is Wayne and Dahlia's oldest son and the only Malloy to truly question and ultimately reject life as a buffer...Cael's beliefs ultimately draw him back to his Traveler roots." Bistromathics (talk) 20:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet, in the show we've seen Dahlia's cel phone screen display "Cal's Phone" when dialing his number.  His mother ought to know how to spell his name.  -- AvatarMN (talk) 14:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The DVD subtitles also call him Cael. Projectlongbeach (talk) 01:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Shortly after Cael leaves home, Dahlia is calling him on her iPhone and his name shows up as "Cal". Doesn't that mean his name in this article should be changed to Cal? --70.23.93.207 (talk) 17:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I must say, I do not think FX Network's promotional site, nor subtitles (which are at times so horrendously bad and inaccurate it literally made me laugh to be quite honest that anyone would ever think of citing them), trump the actual raw episode footage. In fact, absolutely nothing written about a fictional series, not subtitles, promotional materials, books, interviews -- nothing -- trumps the actual fictional series itself. In short, going with FX Network's website and the subtitles is a mistake, and would set an absolutely terrible precedent for further documentation of fiction. You cannot allow things as trite as promotional materials (ONLINE promotional materials at that) and subtitles to dictate your documentation. If "Cael"'s name was spelt "Cal" in the show, then it should be spelled "Cal" on this page whose sole purpose is to describing that show; if we decide to make a page about subtitles or promotional materials (and it passes notability), well then they can spell it the way its spelled in the subtitles and promotional materials, but this page is about the SHOW. MarcelB612 (talk) 06:39, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct spelling of Cael's name 

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