Talk:Soong Ching-ling

message: "Soong Ching-ling" is by far the most common form of her name (20000 on google) while "Rosamond Soong" is seldom used (134 on google). moved page back to original location--Jiang 10:27, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: Although Ching-ling remained in mainland China while Soong May-ling, or Madame Chiang Kai-shek, her younger sister fled to Taiwan with her husband Chiang Kai-shek, both are today quite beloved and memorized by the public in the mainland for their unique charismas and contribution. However, both of them lived long life to witness the marginalization of their respective political beliefs and themselves in China's history, and the conflict between them, with their era, is gone.
Removed text as it is very poorly written and pure speculation.
Prince Roy (talk) 17:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Paragraph Needs Revision 

message: I recall reading on this article, a few years back, a short paragraph regarding how Song was "struggled against" during the Cultural revolution. I also recall reading about how her sister in Taiwan actually tried to visit her or to have her "emigrated" to Taiwan? Who removed that stuff? If there are proper citations for that, please would someone bring that back? Children of the dragon (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Cultural Revolution and Song Qing Ling 

message: For about the third time the college was edited from Wesleyan to Wellesley.  This is wrong; Soong attended Wesleyan College in Macon, Georgia, not Wellesley College in Massachusetts.  Every biographical sources plainly says so, including all the works cited in this article.  Do not change things like this unless you have a good source and make sure you cite the source in a standard research format. Rgr09 (talk) 02:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soong's college 

message: The article states that "Soong reconciled with the KMT during the Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945). She did not join the party, but rather was part of the united front heading up the Revolutionary Committee of the Kuomintang." This is not correct.  The Revolutionary Committee of the Kuomintang was formed by disaffected members of the KMT in Hong Hong in 1948.  It was not a war-time political party. In addition, although the RC-KMT did elect her "honorary chair" after its formation, Soong did not attend any of this group's meetings, or participate in any of its activities. (See Song Qingling nian pu [Guangzhou: Guangdong renmin chubanshe, 2006] under the years 1948 and 1949). Article revised accordingly. Rgr09 (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soong and the "Revolutionary Committee of the Kuomintang." 

message: Soong held several positions in the PRC government after 1949, but these are not described clearly in the article.  The position of "Co-Chairman of the Republic" is a particular problem.  The Soong biography gives this title but it actually links to List of Presidents of the People's Republic of China; the title "Co-Chairman of the Republic" seems to be a non-existent figment.
Wikipedia's List of Presidents of the People's Republic of China does claim that Soong was head of state from 1968 to 1972; probably based on this, the article claims that Soong "became the first female President of the People's Republic of China: from 1968 to 1972 she served jointly with Dong Biwu as head of state". However, this is not mentioned in any biographies I have found of her, it is not mentioned in the English Wikipedia article on Dong Biwu, it is not mentioned in the Chinese Wikipedia articles on Soong or Dong, and it is not mentioned in the Chinese government website on the position of "presidency of the People's Republic of China." I will get back on this and delete or edit as appropriate when I have more information. Rgr09 (talk) 03:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that website specifically refers to "men" and therefore logically isn't relevant.  See the discussion below.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soong's official positions 

message: The positions in the info boxes need to be changed to reflect revisions in the article and discussions on the talk page.  The original info box was headed "Head of State." This is not a position or title in any document I can find associated with the PRC's various constitutions, nor can I find any other people in Wikipedia where the info box gives them such identifications.  I have therefore changed the info-box heading to "Honorary Chairman of the People's Republic of China" which was a title especially created for Soong about two weeks before her death, as described in the article.  Since this title was unique to Soong, it makes no sense to say that she was preceded or succeeded by anyone in this position. Yet the info box says that she was both preceded and succeeded by Ye Jianying "as Chairman of the NPCSC."  In fact, Ye Jianying was not only chairman of the NPCSC before and after the ten or twelve days that Soong was "Honorary Chairman," he was also chairman of the NPCSC during this period.  To say that he succeeded or preceded Soong simply reflects one editor's theory that "Honorary Chairman" carried legal authority; in effect, by creating this title, the NPC amended the constitution and delegated the authority of head of state to Soong, who was frequently comatose during this period and made no public appearances or statements or actions at all from May 8 until her death on May 29, removing it from Ye Jianying, until it was automatically restored to him at Soong's death.  This elaborate system of justification is repeated throughout the info box, ignoring the titles and positions that Soong actually held from 1949 onwards to trace her putative relation with the concept of "head of state," granting her titles that the editor identifies with this concept, but that Soong is never mentioned as holding in any documented source.  I'm going to go ahead and fix this.  If there are disagreements, please discuss here so that this can be resolved. Rgr09 (talk) 07:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the info box really works in a fluid situation like this in any case.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:51, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soong's official positions III: info box problems 

message: Soong was Sun Yat-sen's second wife.  This is clearly stated in all biographies of Sun that I have read (4) and in all biographies of Soong that I have read (3).  If you have a different source put it up, otherwise this is just vandalism.  Likewise, Soong was never a member of the Kuomintang Revolutionary Committee; this claim is sourced in the article; if you have a different source, put it up before you change this.  As for the Comintern, it was not a political party, or even a membership organization, and cannot be listed as a political affiliation. Rgr09 (talk) 02:20, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Must have sources for changing basic biographical data 

message: Soong's final title was Honorary President of the PRC. The article however has been changed repeatedly to remove the word "Honorary".  There is a sourced description of how and when she received the title in the article text. Here is a link to a website with a picture of the entrance to Soong's home in Beijing.  It clearly shows the words "honorary president of the prc" in both English and Chinese.  You may think she deserved the title President without the word Honorary in front of it, but that's her official title.  Stop changing it. Rgr09 (talk) 00:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. My mistake.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:02, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honorary President 

message: The family name Soong was spelled with two o's.  You cannot change this everywhere. For example, Sterling Seagrave's biography was called The Soong Dynasty, not The Sòng Dynasty. Spelling it this way is flat out inaccurate, and will mean people can't find the book in a library catalogue.  You also changed the spelling in the file names of pictures, so that the pictures no longer display properly.
In addition, you are using the fourth tone mark ò, this is a specialized type of transcription not used in ordinary writing, and not visible on older browsers. It is also inconsistent with all the other pinyin spellings on the page, none of which use tone markings.  
Finally, now the article title is inconsistent with the content of the article.  If you want to make this change, you must propose moving the page; you can do that here on the talk page, but there must be consensus on the change before it is done.  You are welcome to discuss a change in the page name and content here, but until there is consensus, everything goes back to the way it was. Rgr09 (talk) 14:58, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to 's convincing reasons, she and her four siblings, all of whom were highly fluent in English and two of whom were Harvard grads, spelled it "Soong."ch (talk) 22:39, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The individuals involved came along before the adoption of pinyin and regardless of whether they used the Wade-Giles romanisation or one of their own invention, "Soong" is the WP:COMMONNAME here.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  spelling of Song/Soong 

message: The infobox listed Soong as a member of the Kuomintang until 1947, the Revolutionary Committee of the Chinese Kuomintang from 1948 to 1981, the Chinese Communist Party in 1981, reflecting her deathbed acceptance into the party, and the Communist International from 1933–1943.  The Communist International was dissolved by Stalin in 1943, which explains the final date, but there is no source for Soong's affiliation with the Comintern in 1933. In addition, the Comintern was not a political party, and her affiliation with it, whatever the source, should not be listed as such. 
As noted above on the talk page, although Soong was elected as honorary chair of the Revolutionary Committee of the Chinese Kuomintang, a splinter group of the Kuomintang that remains as one of the eight United Front organizations in China today, she was elected against her wishes and did not participate in any of the RCKMT organizations or activities, nor is her affiliation with RCKMT listed in any sources I have seen. Sources are necessary for these claims. Rgr09 (talk) 08:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political party affiliations 

message: Is her Christian name spelled "Rosamond" or "Rosamonde"? Both appear in the article, and search results are yielded on the internet with both names. Could someone please resolve this? NipponGinko (talk) 03:23, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rosamond" or "Rosamonde"?