Talk:Nabih Berri

message: This is very NPOV. Needs clean up. 
Agreed. This is horribly POV. I don't know enough of the subject to clean it but it is ridiculous and someone needs to fix it.--75.43.218.71 16:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An IP cut out a load of stuff and I tend to agree. Middle East Intelligence Bulletin seems like a poor source for this sort of thing. If anybody has better sources for this sort of thing, feel free to add them. Tombomp (talk/contribs) 09:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll second the POV tag. The MichaelTotten.com link is ridiculous, as well. Investigating it reveals that it is part of the Pajamas Media blogroll, a notoriously inflammatory and unapologetic rightist pop internet media source that doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good smear. I know a bit about Lebanese politics, so maybe I'll take a stab at improving this article in the future, but I'm afraid my own biases may come in to play. It will be interesting to see if, after the elections on June 7th 2009, which the Hizbullah/Harakat Amal opposition are predicted to win, Berri's coalition are still considered by this article and so many others to be the "non-legitimate government" of Lebanon. BostonFenian (talk) 20:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll third the POV tag. His role as warlord is how he rose to power, and has numerous historical and current scandals, none of which is reflected in the article. While its important to be extremely careful with living subjects of encyclopedia articles, in this case the article currently serves more as public relations than a neutral curation of facts. PseudoNova (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral Point of View

message: This is where discussion takes place, not in edit summaries! :-p Xavexgoem (talk) 12:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over here! 

message: : Now fixed, and have indef semi-protected the article. Orderinchaos 23:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  OTRS 

message: Ghaddafi is mentioned twice in the article. The first time it is said that Ghaddafi is thought to have been responsible for the disappearance of Musa al-Sadr. The second time it is said that Ghaddafi was in fact responsible for the disappearance of Musa al-Sadr. The first formulation is more correct. Ghaddafi is commonly suspected of having been involved, but this was never proven. The state of our knowledge on this has not changed since Fouad Ajami's book, The Vanished Imam. I don't see why this page can't be unlocked for editing. There are plenty of Wiki articles on other Lebanese leaders, and Berri is certainly not the most controverisal of them. Drphil500 (talk) 18:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghaddafi 

message: I've found some info about this. They are apparently older sources (including older wikipedia pages) referencing Berri as the speaker for the parliament, but it appears that Berri has never been president of the transitory arab parliament, since in the first official meeting on the  27 décember 2005, it's Mohammad Jasem Al Saqr that was elected People's Daily Online -- Arab Parliament holds inaugural meeting.
But the 2003/2004 dates cited give a hint, and this source helps understand the truth : Arab legislators agree to disagree Gathering fails to issue clear call for united parliament. 
So Berri was actually, on the 3 June 2003, effective in March 2004, elected president of the Confederation of Arab Parliamentarians, and then organised the inaugural meeting of the transitory arab parliament where Al Saqr received the title of president of the newly officially created body. It's still obscure if Berri didn't have some title between the summit of Alger creating the parliament and the first meeting of december in Cairo electing Al Saqr. But I could find no source on that.
I'd appreciate someone with the correct rights to edit the page to reflect this corrected info.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.68.92.104 (talk) 11:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidency of the transitory arab parliament, not ! 

message: Please remove: According to a Wikileaks cable,[3] Berri is losing supporters due to his rampant corruption. Furthermore, prominent independent Shia leaders claim that Berri receives a US$400,000 a month from Iran for his political services.
Aitour (talk) 23:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Abhishek Talk to me 17:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Aitour, 23 June 2011 

message: In the Education section, please change Berri Went to School in to Berri attended School in
Ghads (talk) 08:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 6 January 2013 

message: I've noticed that the same edits have been happening in a coordinated effort for the past couple of years to the article with an intent to distort the image of a Lebanese public figure using multiple accounts, edits made present a clear defamation of a living person and violates Wikipedia three core content policies. references used are not reliable and not published and mostly based on blogs and questionable websites, while the modification I made are referred to the Lebanese parliament official website as well as Lebanese newspapers. I strongly suggest the removal of the protection applied on this page and making sure that the edits comply with Wikipedia rules and policies, and now the page is protected so please  and remove the corruption part which is entirely untrue and very poorly sourced as well as the wikileaks diplomatic cables section which has been clearly denied by many newspapers and considered very controversial — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahda1986 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited the article so that it better conforms with the biographies of living persons policy. Unsourced, poorly sourced and non-neutral material has been removed, and the remaining controversies have been moved out of the "corruption" section and into the "Later political career" section. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:05, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  three core content policies violation 

message: Please note that the user above, who is attempting to remove all mentions of corruption and Wikileaks cables from this article, likely works for Beirut-based marketing agency AddBloom, two of whose employees attempted last year (and were consequently blocked) to alter the article in the same way. This is part of an effort by said marketing agency and by party members to whitewash this politician/warlord's online record ahead of upcoming parliamentary elections. Nabih Berri's corruption, aside from being public knowledge, is heavily documented in scholarly books and articles. Any attempt to remove such sources and replace them with links to the website of the Lebanese parliament, which has been headed by Berri since 1992, is outright dishonest and ill-intentioned and should result in the user getting blocked. 
Callsfortruth (talk) 12:25, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring and sockpuppetry 

message: I wish the following section could be added to the article. 
"By Way of Deception" and reported Mossad links
*According to Victor Ostrovsky in his book By Way of Deception, Berri, who is presently a close ally of the Iranian and Syrian regimes, used to be on the payroll of the Mossad, and provided them with services, information and intelligence during the Lebanese Civil War. Source: Ostrovsky, Victor (1990). By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer, p. 316.
Callsfortruth (talk) 12:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: This needs to be put in more context. The source says "Besides Gemayel, both the Jumblatt and Berri families were on the Mossad payroll." The Berri family isn't the same as Nabih Berri. And the way this is worded makes it seem like it was only Nabih Berri himself that was involved with this, whereas the source makes clear that Mossad payments were common among warring Lebanese families. Finally, you need to indicate where in the article you would like this to be placed, but the context issues need to be addressed first. You should be aware that Wikipedia's rules regarding biographies are very strict - see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:24, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 26 August 2014 

message: hi
I'm someone editing using my phone and not a party member nor a digital marketing agency! 
the user above clearly states that he or she has been tracking this article for at least a year which proves what I mentioned before about distorting the image of a Lebanese public figure using multiple accounts in coordinated attempts, plus the user above can't ask admins to violate Wikipedia's three core content policies by adding untrue informations which doesn't adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the united states and all of Wikipedia's content policies,
please I suggest  and replacing the content with the official cv found on the official website of the Lebanese parliament on the following link: http://lp.gov.lb/admin/uploads/files/CV%20President%20Berry%20En.pdf
thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahda1986 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Sorry, we can't replace the contents of the article with that CV. First, the material doesn't satisfy Wikipedia's content policies, and second, unless the CV is in the public domain or is available under a free licence, posting it here would be a copyright violation. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:10, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  obvious violation of Wikipedia rules  

message: I wish the changes that I made here could be introduced in the article. All edits are backed by secondary sources. 
Callsfortruth (talk) 22:39, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:18, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 4 September 2014 

message: User:Mr. Stradivarius has consistently removed heavily sourced paragraphs and kept replacing them, until just recently, with unsourced hagiography. The following are the sourced (which he maliciously calls unsourced) paragraphs that were removed: 
	
*According to former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky, in his book By Way of Deception, the Mossad "was deeply involved with several other warring Lebanese families, paying for information, passing it between groups, even paying the gangs and some Palestinians in the refugee camps for intelligence and services. Besides Gemayel, both the Jumblatt and Berri families were on the Mossad payroll. Source: Ostrovsky, Victor (1990). By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer, p. 316
	
*Berri is involved in corruption allegations regarding a 1996 coastal motorway in southern Lebanon. The contract for the motorway was won by a firm run by Berri's wife, Randa Assi, and was said to be overpriced by over three hundred million US dollars. Sources: Johnson, Michael (2001). All Honorable Men: The Social Origins Of War In Lebanon , p.236; Schwerna, Tobias (2010). Lebanon: A Model of Consociational Conflict , p.128. 
*In 2004, Berri was mentioned in several of the diplomatic cables leaked by WikiLeaks. One cable said that Amal is "near universally derided as corrupt to the core", and that Berri was described by a relative of Musa al-Sadr as having provided social services in the south only through "wheeling, dealing, and stealing". Also according to the cables, Berri receives USD 400,000 a month from Iran, using a fourth of the sum to shore up his support and pocketing the rest. Sources: Gloria Center, Wikileaks cables. 
*According to one source, Berri was considered by Rafik Hariri to be "irredeemably corrupt and unreliable", as well as an opportunist, and is thought to maintain his support base through access to state funds. Source:  Blanford, Nicholas (2006). Killing Mr. Lebanon: The Assasination of Rafik Hariri and Its Impact on the Middle East , p. 118
*According to leaked diplomatic cables, during the 2006 Lebanon war, Berri, publicly an ally of Hezbollah, described Israel's attacks on Hezbollah to US Ambassador Jeffrey Feltman as being "like honey", and hoped that Israel would complete its mission against Hezbollah quickly. He suggested that the IDF "markedly improve its targeting intelligence to make air strikes more effective. Either that, or they would have to wipe Hizballah out of the south with a ground offensive." He also suggested that "if Israel succeeds in weakening Hizballah militarily, then he will be more willing to weaken them politically". Sources: Wikileaks cables, NOW Media, Aspen Institute, Middle East Online. 
*Berri's sister-in-law and close business associate Samira Assi, is said to have made a fortune by getting a contract from Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to print one million copies of Gaddafi's "Green Book". Assi's deals are seen as highly controversial, since the founder of the Amal Movement, Musa al-Sadr, is known to have been disappeared on the orders of Gaddafi himself. Sources: Middle East Intelligence Bulletin report, written by the current news director of Congress-funded Al Hurra. 
 
Why should anyone bother to edit Wikipedia, when their efforts are compromised by the actions of such individuals as User:Mr. Stradivarius with dubious actions and intentions? I hope this could be referred to an arbitration or mediation committee that would decide upon restoring these sourced paragraphs in the article, and I hope that User:Mr. Stradivarius's actions could be thoroughly investigated, keeping in mind that this article was previously targeted by a Beirut-based PR agency. Callsfortruth (talk) 20:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not unusual for political figures to attract controversy. Their very nature means that people will disagree with them. This sometimes creates false accusations and, sometimes, creates real corruption and scandal. I see no problem with a "controversy" section in a BLP. I wouldn't call it corruption since it does not appear that any allegations are verified. However, it does seem that you're adding a lot of text on an otherwise short article. I would condense this down into one or two short paragraphs with well-sourced statements. For instance, the second paragraph could be whittled down to "He has been accused of using his office to profit off of government contracts". Others may disagree, of course. Ayzmo (talk) 17:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berri allegations 

message: hi
please I would like to add the following sentence to this article:
Berri is a supporter of the Lebanese army especially in the fight against terrorism and has called on many occasions for unity among Lebanese people and asked the international community to support the army by providing it with modern equipments which made him the number one assassination target for terrorist groups.
the references are the following:
[ http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/world/middleeast/a-dozen-men-reportedly-islamist-militants-detained-in-beirut-hotel.html?_r=0 the new york times]
[ http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Sep-01/269169-berri-national-unity-a-must-to-fight-takfiri-terrorism.ashx#axzz3C3NlLCDF the daily star newspaper]
[ http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Aug-27/268625-berri-asks-big-five-to-airlift-weapons-for-army.ashx#axzz3C3NlLCDF the daily star newspaper]
[ http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Jun-21/261050-lebanon-on-high-alert-over-terror-threats.ashx#axzz3C3NlLCDF the daily star newspaper]
[ http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/144924-berri-urges-hariri-to-speed-up-assistance-to-lebanese-army Naharnet]
thank you Keepittrue1 (talk)
:We need consensus for all additions to the article. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  adding a sentence to the later political career section 

message: , , other.... Please see Talk:Nabih_Berri#Edit_warring_and_sockpuppetry above.. 
, RfC?
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thread_title:  sock-puppet notice 

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message: Update the image to "Nabih Berri in 2018.jpg"  and the caption from "Berri in 2010" to "Berri in 2018". Ibra IV (talk) 18:44, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. The quality of the proposed photo is much lower than the current photo.  – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2020 

message: He is now 83, not 82. Jhunter92 (talk) 04:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done  Seagull123  Φ  17:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 January 2021 

message: Add POV tag. See talk. PseudoNova (talk) 17:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: All I can see are threads from several years ago that appear to have been dealt with, and I can't see anything in the article that suggests a certain POV. What exactly is the issue? Tollens (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This article reads like a public relations piece, not a wikipedia article. If you compare this to others in a similar space with similar levels of controversy, this strongly needs neutrality. Compare even to other articles of Lebanese warlords-turned-politicians, the articles consistently put "milita commander" in the lede. Berri is more notable within serious analysis for his role in Lebanon's corruption and complicated foreign political relationships, yet there is zero inclusion of this article. Compare to Donald Trump or Samir Geagea.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PseudoNova (talk • contribs) 17:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 May 2023 

message: This article reads like public relations and doesn't reflect Wikipedia's tone or NPOV. The talk page is a mess of ideological edit wars. Rather than edit protection, this article needs to be completely rewritten. What's the best way to do that? PseudoNova (talk) 23:14, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:19, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 December 2023