Talk:W. W. Phelps (Mormon)

message: Is there any info about his reconciliation with the church after his first excommunication.
Is there info on the book "Praise to the Man"?
Are they any known photos of him?
Adding info about reconciliation 76.27.83.192 (talk) 02:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
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message: I don't see Phelps anywhere in Assistant President of the Church nor Chronology of the First Presidency (LDS Church).  Can someone clarify for me what "He was an assistant president of the church in Missouri, scribe to .." and "...counselor to David Whitmer in the presidency.." means.  "Assistant President of the Church" and "Counselor in the presidency" are general authority position that, as far as I can see, Phelps nor David Whitmer ever held.  However, I notice the capitalization and addition of "in Missouri", so perhaps I just don't understand the position these two statements are making..--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 16:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is clarified with more detail in the remainder of the article (see the heading labeled "Joins Church leadership"). If there are no further requests I suggest we remove the clarification request. Sources for this are numerous. For example see the entry for September 26, 1835 on the Phelps Timeline. For what it's worth Joseph's diary account of the Kirtland Dedication (27 March 1836) lists the order of seating on the "West end of the House" as "Pres[i]d[en]t F[rederick] G. Williams, President Joseph Smith, Sen[ior], and President W[illiam] W. Phelps occupied the 1st pulpit for the Melchisedic Priesthood. Pres[i]d[en]t S[idney] Rigdon, myself, and Pres[i]d[en]t Hyrum Smith in the 2nd [pulpit]. Pres[i]d[en]t D[avid] Whitmer, Pres[i]d[en]t O[liver] Cowdery, and Pres[i]d[en]t J[ohn] Whitmer in the 3d [pulpit]. The 4th [pulpit] was occipied by the President of the High Priests and his counsellors, and 2 choiresters." [An American Prophet's Record: The Diaries and Journals of Joseph Smith ed. Scott H. Faulring (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1989), 143.] In total there were nine people that Joseph called presidents of the church, present at the dedication of the Kirtland Temple. To address your other question, the term scribe is just like it sounds, Joseph would frequently dictate while others wrote for him. Although dictating to a scribe is virtually nonexistent today, before the advent of the typewriter or modern personal computer it was fairly common practice. --dbolton (talk) 03:35, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  In today's parlance of the LDS Church, Phelps would have been a member of the stake presidency in Missouri; or perhaps a better example—a member of the Area presidency in Missouri. The people with these positions were not general authorities of the church, but they were designated as "assistant president of the church" in particular areas. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assistant President of the Church/Counselor to David Whitmer in the presidency

message: I am confused about his excommunication date(s). The Joseph Smith Papers summary of WWP says he was excommunicated on March 17, 1838, based on JS History, vol. C-1, 899.  http://josephsmithpapers.org/person/william-wines-phelps
But the Alexander Baugh 1998 article says that after the March 10, 1838 meeting Phelps was  considered "no longer a member of the Church of Christ", but later there was a reconciliation, followed by another falling out, which resulted in WWP being excommunicated by the Twelve at a council in Quincy on March 17, 1839. Baugh cites HC  3:283–84.  The JSP do not say anything about a 1839 excommunication. The identical "March 17" dates for two different years is a red flag that there is a mistake somewhere.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Befubashi (talk • contribs) 07:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excommunication date 

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message: The link for the Historical Department Journal is broken, it can now be found here: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets?id=5f3e87b2-b0a0-4033-82a5-8698f11200d7&crate=0&index=24
This link is the page which describes Phelps's reconfirmation as a member of the church, but two days prior (as the article text states) I see nothing.
Pointers?
--RockRockOn (talk) 18:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for Third Excommunication 

message: I recommend moving the page to W. W. Phelps (Latter Day Saints) in keeping with convention on Wikipedia.  Pending any objections I will make the change. Epachamo (talk) 01:34, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Recommend Moving Page