Talk:Miniature Australian Shepherd

message: Can someone provide links that show that AKC and/or UKC recognize the mini as a breed?  I can't find it--ACK list of breeds, [UKC list of breeds.  Thanks.  Elf | Talk 18:44, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Need links to prove AKC, UKC claims

message: This article suffers from first person and clearly un-encyclopedic information, especially the Appearance section.  If the author is watching, please clean this up asap.  --Jmeden2000 20:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: first person?

message: I removed the line that claims that these dog's have x-ray vision... haha 128.194.26.248 (talk) 17:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: edited

message: This might sound like a silly question, but why is Miniature in some of this article not capitalized? Shouldn't it be? Mokoniki (talk) 19:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalization?

message: USASA (United States Australian Shepherd Association) doesn't want to have Mini Aussies in existence, however they do have them in their stud books "by accident". The AKC has opened the door to the Mini Aussies as long as there is a name change. North American Shepherd is what the UKC calls them now, with their first step towards accepting the "breed". A rose is a rose, by any other name. Miniature Australian Shepherds are just that, no matter what the USASA says.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.173.45 (talk) 15:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Change and AKC & UKC

message: These are the same breed. The two articles should be merged, probably under the AKC-recognized name of Miniature American Shepherd, to prevent forking. TKK! bark with me if you're my dog! 03:35, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "In 1993 the original MASCUSA club was asked by the AKC to change its name. Additionally, Miniature Australian Shepherds could no longer participate under their chosen name as it was too similar to that of an AKC affiliated breed, so the Miniature Australian Shepherd became the North American Shepherd.
In 1993, MASCUSA (the original organization) became the North American Shepherd Club of America. For the next 15 years there were numerous clubs that were formed, reorganized, and defunct trying to come to a consensus concerning the emerging breed. Enough members were eventually interested in obtaining separate recognition, thus prompting members of NAMASCUSA to approach the AKC. Working as a team with AKC and USASA, the name and breed of Miniature American Shepherd was born. The Miniature Australian Shepherd community is still divided over this compromise." --TKK! bark with me if you're my dog! 23:25, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Miniature American Shepherd]] 

message: The articles Miniature Australian Shepherd and Miniature American Shepherd are about the same dog breed. What occurred was that members of the organization promoting/breeding the Australian dogs pushed for AKC recognition, which they received, under the Mini American moniker, while part of the same group refused to recognize the AKC recognition themselves and kept the Mini Aussie name. This, to me, is a fairly obvious WP:POV fork and one of these articles needs to be merged somewhere. I proposed they both get merged to the Mini American page with discussion of the controversy, since that's the recognized name, and you can see what resulted above. I'm bringing this to RFC to open the issue up to a wider audience, so editors unaffiliated with either breed can comment on the issue. So my RFC boils down to this:
Do the Miniature Australian Shepherd and Miniature American Shepherd articles constitute a POV fork, should they be merged, and if they should be merged, under what breed name should they be merged - the original name (Mini Aussie) or the American Kennel Club-recognized name (Mini American)? --TKK! bark with me if you're my dog! 23:35, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: However, the two articles as they stand are about as unencyclopaedic as any I have seen; they need radical editing and rewriting anyway. That effort could form the basis for the merge. What I have written reads like a prescription, but that was unintentional; it is just a line of thinking that could work if there is sufficient goodwill on both sides (which, knowing breeder groups, I would find astonishing, but no harm hoping. Partisan dog breeder groups have included some of the most murderously catty people I have known, and that comes from someone with experience of a few other lines of breeding as well. I suspect that for any long-term sanity you will have to rely on WP authority rather than breeder solidarity.) Good luck!!! JonRichfield (talk) 07:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC: POV fork issue between [[Miniature Australian Shepherd]] and [[Miniature American Shepherd]] 

message: Per the merge discussion above, there is consensus that we need to merge these but to what name? I still prefer the AKC recognized name, and I like the idea of an inclusive name but I don't know how we'd go about that without constantly flipping back and forth between 'The Miniature Australian Shepherd, or Miniature American Shepherd' and the inverse and I have no ideas about what would constitute an inclusive name. Ping:  and  --TKK public (Bark at me \\ Block this account if it's acting funny!) 23:40, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not a dog person and I don't really have a concept of how important the AKC is in dog breed naming. I'm in favor of the Miniature Australian Shepherd for two reasons. 1.) Australian article predates American article by 8 years, which sort of conceptually fits in with the idea of keeping the regionalisms of the original author. 2.) American Shepherd dogs are an offshoot of the Australian dogs, and so it makes sense to have a section in the Australian Shepherd article called "Miniature American Shepherd" which details the 'split' in the breeds, whereas doing the reverse doesn't really make sense. To the extent that they are different, I get the impression that Mini Americans are a subset of Mini Australians (presumably the ones now being bred in America), whereas there is no plausible conception in which Mini Australians are a subset of Mini Americans. 0x0077BE (talk) 00:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge title 

message: * My take, as RfC opener, is yes, and of Miniature Australian Shepherd to Miniature American Shepherd in the #History section, and with a mention of the old name in the lead. The "American" name is the more reliably sourced, current, common name.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  It didn't mislead me, From the searching I did Australian appeared more common. I'm happy for more evidence to sway me either way, it was a close call. SPACKlick (talk) 20:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I automatically registered what you meant to say without thinking about it, so wasn't misled, no worries. Mmyers1976 (talk) 20:55, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: As far as I can tell, consensus of both merge discussions was to merge this page into Miniature American Shepherd. Is there a reason that's not apparent for why this breed still has two articles? Thanks! Wasechun tashunka (talk) 19:03, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now carried out the merge, as per consensus. Wasechun tashunka (talk) 19:55, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging resolution