Talk:Tyler (Masonic)

message: While it is plausible that the outer guard of a lodge takes the name of "Tyler" from the profession of tiling, do you have a reference to a primary source for this? This has long been unverified.
In addition I have never heard that the profession of tiling was chosen for the name because the outer guard kept watch from the roof. Is there a primary source for this statement?
:I totally agree
:As far as I know the point about the roof is entirely fanciful, and unless supported by authority I propose that it should be deleted.
:Jezza 00:27, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mackey says, "The title is derived from the Operative Art; for as in Operative Masonry the Tiler, when the edifice is erected, finishes and covers it with the roof of tiles, so in Speculative Masonry, when the Lodge is duly organized, the Tiler closes the door and covers the sacred precincts from all intrusion." Albert G. Mackey, Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, new edition, revised and enlarged, The Masonic History Company (Chicago, 1946). For his part, Claudy says, "He was called a Tiler or Tyler because the man who put on the roof or tiles (tiler) completed the building and made those within it secure from intrusion...." Carl H. Claudy, Introduction to Freemasonry, 45th printing, The Temple Publishers (Washington DC, 1958). In Ohio the word is spelled "Tyler." kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 15:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of term 

message: Tyler (Freemasonry) relocated to Tyler (Masonic) in order to match in style the page names of other pages relating to masonic offices, eg:
*Grand Master (Masonic)
*Deacon (Masonic)
*Chaplain (Masonic)
*Warden (Masonic)
Timothy Titus 01:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The tyler does not have to be a PM in Ohio. kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 15:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relocation 

message: Any support for the idea that the etymology of Tyler is from the French "tailleur" (one who cuts - as in a Tailor) in reference to the ceremonial sword? 62.196.17.197 (talk) 18:14, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it unlikely. I would be surprised if the British lodges were not using tyler before freemasonry arrived in France. The earliest French material calls Bro Tyler le frère terrible extérieur. We could also posit Tailleur de pierre, but why, when only masons were present, call the outer guard the mason. Well into original research, and quite enough unsourced material already, so not without a reference. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 00:24, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Etymology? 

message: Over at Tyler I found the same derivation, meaning a door keeper at an inn. It makes sense here, but there is no source for that etymology, especially not in Old English (Anglo-Saxon). The closest is Þyle. I've also not found that meaning given in any masonic work I've looked at.--Swahilli (talk) 09:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither Old nor Middle English, as far as I can make out. I have no idea where the rest of the "origins" came from. I suspect a "night on the tiles", being hostelry related, might be relevant, but I'd no more put it in unreferenced than I would support the rest of the paragraph. Feel free to rewrite. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 21:30, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin again