Talk:Brunch

message: Brunch stops at when lunch begins.  If brunch happens to run into the afternoon that's one thing, but if you START eating brunch after 12:00pm, you're eating lunch! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.142.5.2 (talk) 17:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The author of this article is a moron and pushing some sort of pro brunch agenda." 

message: The explanation word-for-word this means "big little lunch." for, le grand petit déjeuner, is lame. Petit déjeuner is the term in French for breakfast. A little lunch is peu de déjeuner. A word-for-word translation adds nothing. I'll wait a little while and then remove it. 216.94.11.2 (talk) 15:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is just another example of the French imposing their version of events on the English Wikipedia. I first became aware of French editors behaviour on the Battle Of Agincourt article. After some research I discovered that many articles that involved the French had been edited to suit their local version of events irrespective of the facts. It took two and a half years to re-write so many pages. What they did in the early days was transpose French wiki articles onto the English site albeit translated. However, when yours truly attempted to set the French wiki articles to right it caused a storm of protest again irrespective of historical fact. Twobells (talk) 23:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I doubt that people in France are conspiring to "impose their version of events on English Wikipedia", as I have never encountered anything like this.  My guess is that the reference to the Académie française was written by either a Canadian contributor (could be either anglo or francophone), or by an American who -for whatever reason- thinks that the French practice this American tradition.  For some reason, many Americans imagine French culture as North American, Anglo-Saxon, or Germanic, sharing many similarities with American culture...which is not true, of course, but that's the perception many Americans have.  The French-language Wikipedia article on brunch does briefly mention that brunch "appeared in France in the 1980s" and that "numerous cafes and restaurants offer it", but I have never seen this in France, nor is that statement in the French article sourced.  Here in the English-language article for brunch, there's two footnotes supporting the paragraph about how the Académie française feels about the word "brunch", but both of these sources are horribly dubious and unreliable.  The first source is simply titled "Anglicismes et les mots préférés", but it is not a proper bibliography, nor does it provide a URL link to any website.  The second source is a bibiography to a 1993 Larousse dictionary; but just because there's a French word for brunch, doesn't mean it's practiced in France, as France is not the only French-speaking country in the world (Larousse's word for brunch probably stems from brunch being practiced in French-speaking Canada).  Brunch is just not practiced in France, so the entire Académie française paragraph, and how the Académie française feels about the word "brunch" is totally irrelevant, at least here in the English-language article.  I've deleted it from the article. Skyduster (talk) 04:59, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  French word for brunch 

message: AIUI brunch and elevenses are two incomparable concepts, the only thing in common being the kind of time of day.  Brunch is a full-blown meal, effectively combining breakfast and lunch (as an alternative to having two separate meals).  OTOH, elevenses is a snack filling in a bit of the space between breakfast and  lunch.  So does it really make sense to call either version of the other? -- Smjg 17:42, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The British version of brunch could be elevenses." 

message: Where did brunch come from? Some Catholic co-workers claim its because they cannot eat before church, so they started having an early lunch immediately after services. --24.249.108.133 17:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of brunch 

message: I am a little bit confused about why there is such emphisis put on the fact that in New York brunch is often greased filled etc because they go out and drink a lot. This is making a massive stereo type that any other city like London, Berlin, Prague, Chicago, Sydney people don't stay out late and get trashed. Maybe I am knit-picking but I really find it hard to find why it is put under its own section. I am sure every student knows that brekki of a fry up comes at about 11am trying to wake up a bit for the next nights binge, it has nothing to do with New York per-say. You can equally make this argument about any city! Kicken18 16:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Yorkers only get drunk? 

message: I think we need even more Simpsons trivia regarding brunch.  Say, ten or twelve more examples.72.78.154.193 (talk) 00:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Simpsons Brunch Trivia 

message: First of all - what the heck is Greenfield?  A town?  A school?  A retirement community?  A TV reality show?  No link in the section offers any explanation, and no sources are referenced.  Second, whatever it is, this sections seems very specifically localized, and doesn't seem to warrant inclusion in the article.  If we were to list every local institution's brunch traditions, the page would go on forever.  Unless someone can offer a valid reason why this section should be there, I'd recommend removing it.  Just seems too specific to be noted in a general article like this. Lurlock (talk) 14:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greenfield? 

message: This article says that "brunch is normally taken before 2 pm" but I wish to go further than that. Surely a meal taken between twelve noon and two p.m. would normally be counted as lunch, not brunch; would not brunch be nearer the normal time of elevenses? 
ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The number of edits in the history of this article made purely to excise any mention of brunch lasting until after or even beginning after noon are hilarious.  Every restaurant I've been to that serves brunch serves it until at least 2 in the afternoon, and it is incresingly available on both Saturdays and Sundays.  This should be defined by usage, not by some semantically-focused demand that brunch not go past the arbitrarily-defined hour that ends "morning". Dayv (talk) 17:29, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is an issue that needs to be resolved with some kind of cited source. Obviously, brunch is a combination of breakfast and lunch, but there are at least three ways this can be interpreted: (1) Breakfast is served in the early morning, lunch at midday--therefore "brunch" is any meal served between those times, i.e. in the late morning, regardless of what is served and eaten; OR (2) When typical breakfast food is served at lunchtime, it is called "brunch"; OR (3) When a person sleeps until noon, the first meal eaten by such a person is called "brunch", again regardless of what is served. In my anecdotal experience all three of these are sometimes used, and I think this silly natter would be resolved by acknowledging that the word is ambiguous and can mean more than one thing. However, we'll need a source for that. Chalkieperfect (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to the article in part due to an interest in something akin to the third usage above. This is only in my experience but what was referred to me as Sunday brunch in New York, at a time when I used to visit the place occasionally, was taken at a time of day I'd normally associate with a late lunch (or late dinner really, being Scots; i.e. 1400ish). I'd be interested to know if that's a commonplace and citable usage. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

text: I pretty much agree with Chalkieperfect. Wikipedia requires reliable sources. Even assuming we find them, I think the best we'll come up with is that, as Chalkie says, the word is ambiguous.--Larry (talk) 21:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about the timing of brunch

message: We really need a section on this. Sunday brunch has been around for a long time, eg this New York Times article from Feb 12, 1939. It's international - Sunday brunch is served at upscale restaurants in Mumbai, Rome, London etc. This book accurately says that lines go out onto the streets at the good restaurants. This  discusses it about it costs to read it. Dougweller (talk) 14:43, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Having encountered Sunday brunch in New York, it would seem to be a phenomenon which would be worth covering in this article for sure but as far as I'm aware it's pretty much of a North American phenomenon. If it's found at all internationally, it isn't commonplace, in my experience. Not that I'm in the habit of frequenting upscale restaurants but I've never heard anyone talking about going for Sunday brunch (certainly not with any implication it would be different to brunch on any other day) in London or elsewhere in the UK and if they did I'd assume they meant a mid-morning meal which happened to fall on a Sunday. Maybe in hotels with transatlantic clientele though? Not that everyone has Sunday dinner either but in it's N.Am. sense Sunday brunch would coincide or clash. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:07, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunday brunch 

message: The statement "The popularity may be linked to the Asian traditions brought back to England by colonials..." may be correct, but a reliable source is required. Quoting a passage from a short story by Maugham doesn't mean it's true. Speculating it might be true is original research. --Larry (talk) 14:23, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Linking origin to Asian traditions

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message: I've removed any reference to time; here's why. This phrase has been subject to all sorts of changes. The large majority of changes lacked references, and were reverted. The change I reverted includes no reference in the article, but references one in the comment. However, the change still contradicts the current reference. I think it's safe to say that there are different references with different definitions. I guess we could start listing multiple definitions, with references for each, but short of strong evidence that one definition is primary, we would mostly be doing analysis/research -- a Wikipedia no-no. Any suggestions? --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 22:00, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  When is brunch? 

message: I came here to give a source: https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/bitstream/handle/2152/65244/ehmlingmorgan_Thesis_2018.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y is a thesis including on Sunday brunch becoming a thing, evolving from New Orleans to New York, in 1920s-1930s.  SUNNY SIDE UP: THE STORIED PAST OF AMERICA’S MOST IMPORTANT MEAL OF THE DAY by Morgan Leigh Ehmling. Including agreement with what is currently in article.  A quote: "the earliest written appearance of the word brunch can be found in an 1895 publication of Britain’s Hunter’s Weekly entitled “Brunch: 51 A Plea.”"
But going on with history in New Orleans and coming to New York, much more.  Another quote: "Though the first written instance of “brunch” was in 1895 England, New Orleans’ own Tujague’s (pronounced Two Jacks) argues that upon its founding in 1856, they were the first restaurant in the United States to serve what we know today as brunch....."  As a student's thesis at University of Texas at Austin, it is legitimately reviewed and meticulously referenced i think.  Way better than this Wikipedia article is, currently, IMHO. 
By the way I agree with a commenter above, many years ago, that Sunday Brunch is a thing, is the thing really IMHO, needs explicit treatment. 
--Doncram (talk,contribs) 03:54, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ehmling source for developing article 

message: I've just come across the slow-motion edit war occurring over the specific times stated in the lead paragraph at which brunch is supposedly served. I'd like to get this settled, and so I've replaced the sentence for now with  - as far as I can see from the very limited discussion on this page right now, this covers everyone's perspectives at least fairly well, acknowledging the lack of a well-defined agreement between reliable sources. If this is not an acceptable solution, please feel free to propose an alternative (backed up by reliable sources). Tollens (talk) 22:33, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prolonged slow-motion edit war over brunch time 

message: What is lort? Why does this article say it’s a meal? Is it brunch? 2A00:23C8:A941:3B01:B959:8556:EDDE:53E8 (talk) 12:56, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does the article start by calling brunch “lort”?