Talk:Electronic Art Music/Archive 1

message: there is a merge notice on electroacoustic suggesting it should be integrated with this page. i'd disagree with a merge because, although it can be argued to be a subgenre of electronic art music, "electroacoustic" is a well known term in it's own right and deserves it's own article. maybe a mention somewhere on this artile regarding it would do to tie the two together? --MilkMiruku 15:08, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also disagree with the merge, and will remove the merge notice. ∴ here…♠ 07:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: electroacoustic

message: I propose that the definition of electroacoustics be "sound from loudspeakers". This creates the metacategory for the entire discipline.
Part of the discussion is about whether instrumental emulation is in the same field as concrete poetry or soundscaping for example. Electroacoustics (ea) as here proposed allows for the easier development  of sub-catogrizations based upon a number of (overlapping) criteria.
I feel that there is / was an initial confusion introduced when "electroacoustic music" was categorized as being "a language". Possibly in the broadest sense of the word this is true, but is at the universal level of "the language of film and video". Film and video share the capturing and quantization of image, but the contents run from MTV to home films, to animation, to surveillance cameras, to commercial film and video releases etc.
The broad definition of electroacoustics provides an umbrella under which one can find sound design, soundscaping, audio design for games, radiophonic art, sound for installations, web-based sound, algorithic and interactive processes, and will include recording (live, edited, studio. synthesized) and all of the other 'implications' of the uses of technology for the production, storage and distribution of sound.
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70.81.100.209 02:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electroacoustics, defined 

message: The term "electronic music" (e. m.) has many facetes,
may be too many. If I buy an electronic doorbell
with "21 popular melodies", is this performing e. m.?
We have some difficulties to deny this as long as we
stick to the simple defintion that e. m. is "music
produced with electronic devices".
One of the first theorists of e. m. saw this problem
very clearly. The vinyl LP was available and the
use of electronic means to produce trivial music
was absolutely certain.
Therefore  Werner Meyer-Eppler stated in
[Winckel, Fritz, (Hsg.), (1955), Klangstruktur 
der Musik, Neue Erkentnisse musikelektronischer
Forschung, Verlag für Radio-Foto-Kinotechnik GMBH]
that the transfer of allready known musical structures
or the imitation of mechanical instrument sound
is not sufficient in order  to call a piece e. m.
In other words: he required that the composer of serious e. m. 
must be able to show that the compositorial structure
absolutely depends on the usage of electronic means.
Two examples will clarify this:
1) pop music is mostly electronically made today.
But the trivial compositorial structures of these
"works" could be as well performed by mechanical instruments,
drums, piano etc. The sound will be different, the music
will still be recognizeable.
2) Stockhausens "Gesang der Jünglinge" uses tape loops
with hundreds and thousends of little tape pieces, spliced
together and sometimes played with incredible speed.
It is impossible to realize these structures with mechanical
instruments. It is also impossible to do the voice-speech
transformations. These are part of a complex composition structure.
It is impossible to realize this structure with mechanical
means. So we have genuine e. m. here.
Many people tried to escape of the ambiguity by using
the term "electro acoustic music". I think this is a complete
failure, since any music is by it´s very nature acoustic.
Without acoustic sound wave propagation we can not hear anything.
I think this comes from the misunderstanding that mechanical
instruments like guitar or xylophone are called "acoustic"
in certain circles.
Electronic Art Music is therefore not such a bad move.
m.c.
:We're not supposed to make up a new name for the music in this article. It's called Electronic Music. There are other things called Electronic Music too, yes, that is right. Wikipedia is not supposed to change the name to Electronic Art Music, because that is changing history. I think that this article must be renamed to Electronic Music. e.l.y.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.83.157.3 (talk • contribs) 09:57, November 20, 2006
::See and edit the existing Electronic Music. ∴ here…♠ 21:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming