Talk:Richard von Weizsäcker

message: The 'Ruprecht Karls University' in Prague is a redlink that doesn't seem right - there's a Ruprecht Karl University of Heidelberg and a Charles University in Prague (Univerzita Karlova). Could it be one (or both) of these? Colonies Chris 11:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: Accordingly with what has been discussed above, I took back a change made yesterday, where someone wrote "Office re-created" in the "Preceded by" box. That is simply false. Office re-created suggests Weizsäcker held the very same office that Hindenburg did, which is constitutionally wrong. Both were heads of state, but the powers and the very name of the office are different. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, I merged it together to "President of Germany". The way it was displayed before, it suggested that he held two different offices, which he did not. I changed the title of office to "President of the Federal Republic of Germany". This is the most precise way it can be put. He was elected Bundespräsident of the Federal Republic and he stayed in the very same office. Just the territory of the country he headed changed. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:33, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

text: I also took out the mentions of Dönitz and Hindenburg, since the way it was phrased now implied a continuency in office that is simply not there. I will try to find a better phrasing as I go along improving the article. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Why? That would imply that it is a different office, which it is not. There wasn't even a seperate election!!! - which just proves it should not be seperated. Will change this back. A no-brainer. Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Unless we have reliable sources treating pre-unification West Germany and re-unified Germany as separate entities, we should keep the current handling. The East German territories acceded into West Germany - West Germany/Germany continued as the same legal entity in international law, international relations, and from its own constitutional point of view. GermanJoe (talk) 12:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  President of Germany 

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message: When Richard von Weizsäcker was born in 1920, aristocracy had already been formally abolished in post-WWI Germany. 
So kindly correct the sentence "Born into the aristocratic Weizsäcker family, he took his first public offices [...]" as this statement is de facto not true, as outlined above. The Weizsäcker family was and is an outstanding family in German public life but it has not been aristocratic for more than 100 years. 85.216.120.142 (talk) 22:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Do yo honestly think a family becomes less aristocratic because of legal changes? It doesn't. Str1977 (talk) 15:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Aristocratic Weizsäcker family" 

message: A dispute has arisen regarding whether Weizsäcker should be referred to as the "President of Germany" or "President of West Germany." Which of the two designations should be used? Emiya1980 (talk) 18:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Emiya1980 (talk) 19:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Emiya1980 (talk) 07:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Where is this dispute? I see no prior discussion on this talk page; per WP:RFCBEFORE you should indicate that normal discussion venues have been exhausted. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose It should remain Germany, as per usual designation. -- I also want to point out that previous (and broad) consensus across all related articles was Germany (and not West Germany) prior to User:Emiya1980 changing them. JackTheSecond (talk) 19:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: To designate the President of West Germany as the "President of Germany" is tantamount to saying that the Federal Republic of Germany was a legitimate sovereign entity while the German Democratic Republic was not. Are you saying Wikipedia should favor one state over another despite its professed commitment to neutrality? Because that's the implication.Emiya1980 (talk) 20:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

text: President of West Germany/Germany - Would be my choice. GoodDay (talk) 20:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

text: For obvious reasons, Weizsäcker is trickier than anyone else, but I like what I see there now, President of the Federal Republic of Germany, as both areas of Germany that he was president of were called that. If we move away from that, we need to remember that he was not President of East Germany for much of his presidency. Although nor was anyone else. Moonraker (talk) 20:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose There already is an annotation to clarify the differance. More importantly, the head of state of the GDR went by a completely different title, very much by design, so I see no break of "neutrality". Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 21:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Exactly, I would like to stress the difference: Federal Republic of Germany vs. German Democratic Republic. Similiar to how the "German Empire" wasn't called "Empire of Germany" by design. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 12:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I could not agree more. People who argue for anything else seem to fundamentally misunderstand the nature of what we are talking about. Any "West Germany/Germany" solution suggests that the office changed in 1990, which it did not. Weizsäcker was before 1990 and after the President of the Federal Republic, there wasn't even a new election. Therefore, in my opinion, "President of the Federal Republic of Germany" is the only viable option, as I had also put it when the article was elevated to GA back in 2015 (see old id here). Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  President of Germany or "West Germany"?