Talk:The Best of Both Worlds (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

message: This article could do with a cleanup and re-write. The plot synopsis is far too reliant on quotes and, in my opinion, does not read well.--Crais459 12:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up required

message: Why is it the ships in First Contact can damage the Borg Cube, but not the deflector dish beam, I know they upgraded thier weapons since then, but the beam channels almost all the energy in the Enterprise-D! That should be way more powerful. One explanation I've heard proposed is the beam isn't really that powerful, as in Night Terrors a hydrogen explosion in space liberates the Enterprise-D, "proving" whereas when they use the beam it doesn't, but again the beam channels all the energy in the ship, which uses dilithium crystals and anti-matter as fuel, much more powerful than a chemical explosion. I just don't understand. 66.189.90.207 15:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deflector Dish Beam

message: I've pulled this:
:It should be noted that the episode was originally written so that Shelby could replace Riker, because Johnathan Frakes, who played Riker, was planning to leave the show. However, after viewing the episode, Frakes was so impressed by the episode, he stayed with the show; thus, the plan to write him out was cancelled.
Anyone have a source to back this up?  I don't think this is true.  AlistairMcMillan 05:49, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a source, but my understanding is that Picard Patrick Stewart was supposed to be the one to leave the show, in a contract/money dispute. That's why he was the one captured. Shelby was probably supposed to replace Riker so that Riker could replace Picard. --Hires an editor 22:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Which in itself is odd, considering Data was third in command.  Technically, he would have automatically become first officer.--KrossTalk 20:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the same logic used in the episode as aired--Shelby, being established in the Command division of Starfleet (as noted by her uniform) and having focused her career on the study of the Borg, was a more suitable candidate for first officer at that point in time. - Pennyforth 03:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "so that Shelby could replace Riker"

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message: As far as the final sequence of the borg, They were are at 100% power.  They 
were put into "sleep sequence"  What does everyone do at sleep sequence? they
build up energy and power.  If the Borg were at 100% power, and built up power?
Why shouldn't the article state they overloaded and exploaded?
Griffiths1900 03:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I put the Borg to sleep." 

message: Does Picard/Locutus call himself "Locutus of Borg" or "Locutus, a Borg"? It sounded to me more like the latter. 84.71.43.87 (talk) 21:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's unquestionably "Locutus of Borg" in the script. Logical, since you cannot have "a" Borg in a culture that uses no mechanism to identify an individual instead of group (i.e. always "we," never "I"). Personally, I was always bothered by the idea of the Borg giving Picard a designation, since it suggests individuality. When I recently came back to this episode, several years of study later, it clicked. "Locutus" is a Latin word meaning "speaker" or "speech-giver." Therefore it is a relational definition, not an individual one. That extensional is the speaker of the Borg, sort of its ambassador, no different from an extensional identified as third of five or seven of nine or 6535 of 26590. 67.172.247.155 (talk) 06:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

text: What's your source for this claim? I've always heard it as "of", and I've never heard anyone claim that it was "a". DonIago (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

text: It wouldn't matter whether I think I hear it. We would need a reliable source. DonIago (talk) 03:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Locutus of Borg"? 

message: As mentioned in the article, Ron Jones' score for this episode is widely regarded as one of the best in all of Star Trek, and I agree. I'm by no means an expert in music theory so I'd like one to comment on whether the following observation is significant enough to be in the article.
During the Picard capture sequence, Jones uses what to me is a very interesting leitmotif for each Borg that materializes on the bridge. It is a march in 3/4 time - waltz time -- instead of the universally standard 2/4 military march time.
I think this was a very effective way to combine the Borg's extremely aggressive, conquering behavior with their utterly alien nature; human armies simply don't waltz into battle, so to speak. It also suggests the stilted robotic movements of individual Borg drones. Any comments? Karn (talk) 01:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Creepy. Very very creepy, and hard to identify why without (as you have done) strict musical analysis. As technically interesting as the use of the minor key in the Imperial March to induce fear. I'd like to add that the Borg are made up asymmetrically, a neat trick. The human brain likes to see symmetry. Asymmetry can trigger a response ranging from "unusual" to "frightening," dependent on context, because in the external human body distinct asymmetry usually indicates an injury or disability. This contrasts with the shape of the ship, which is not aerodynamic (no need for it in interstellar travel) but which looks "wrong" to us because all our vehicles, ships, and aircraft are of necessity aerodynamically  or hydrodynamically designed. I think some of both the music and the makeup design theories probably appear in interviews with Jones and Westmore in the official magazine, if anyone wants to pull back issues. In any case, the things are scary enough to convince a ten-year-old girl to spend another ten years finding out why and lecturing about it twenty years later. They still creep me out.67.172.247.155 (talk) 07:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  comment on musical score 

message: In a shot at the end of the episode, you see picard look at the earth. Then you see the moon. In "Star Trek: First Contact", William Riker comments that their are living 50 miljon people on the moon. In this shot you just see the how it looks today. Not with the cities new Berlin, etc. Should this somehow be included in the main article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.197.194.125 (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't seem worth it in my opinion. Star Trek loves its screw ups. Why do you think it's called The Dread Canon? --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 18:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Contingency Error

message: The article text lists the week of June 18, 1990, for when Part I first aired.  The infobox says Part I first aired on July 1, 1990.  Neither statement is cited.  postdlf (talk) 01:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparent contradiction in airdate needs to be fixed 

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message: Message to Any Editors
On April 30 2020, I was reading the "Best of Both Worlds" article page and noticed that while the Next Generation (I.E, TNG) Season-3 episode template was shown at page bottom, the Season-4 template was not being shown. Of course, most should know that "Best" was a 2-part episode spread over two Star Trek-TNG seasons, Part-I airing as the last TNG season-3 show, and Part-II airing as the first TNG season-4 show.
In researching previous incarnations of the article page, I discovered that the Season-4 template had been edited out sometime during 2019. In restoring the season-4 template today (4-30-2020), I realized the possible reason for its being previously edited out. The first line of all seven Star Trek:TNG season templates (excluding V-T-E and show/hide) reads "Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes" -- and that's it. There's no further text on that particular line to indicate the specific season in question. In the "hide" (or collapsed) state, one would see both the season-3 and season-4 templates in their unexpanded state, but with nothing to show that these are two distinctly separate templates. Unless otherwise, I believe that may be why the season-4 template got edited out. Thru no fault of their own, that particular editor may have been confused by the appearance of both templates.
In addition to restoring the season-4 episode template, I set the display state of both the season 3 & 4 templates to "expanded", hoping it would in some way clarify that "Best of Both World" spans two seasons.
Regarding the seven TNG season episode templates themselves, I have made -NO- attempt to apply distinguishing labels to each -- for example "Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes (Season 3)" -- on the aforementioned first line of each template. But I personally feel that such a modification to the templates should be at the least taken under consideration.
Thanx-A-Lot. Stay Safe and Well. Fgf2007 (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing of value was lost. The underlying problem is that Navboxes are great big tables full of irrelevant links, that are almost always hidden anyway. We don't tolerate See also sections full of irrelevant junk but for some reason we still allow it from Navboxes. At the moment, the article includes both Navboxes with their contents shown and fully expanded, that's one way to handle it, for now. The thing is Navboxes are never shown to mobile users, nearly half of all users. Navboxes are redundant and cannot be depended on. In the long run, editors must remember that for most users that Navbox is not there and to make sure that anything actually important is included directly in the article. -- 109.79.164.242 (talk) 17:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  4-30-2020: Display of  both TNG Season 3 and 4 Episode Templates 

message: There was a big delete a while back decimating the "best of" lists. I can understand the motivation and also dislike the result. The "best of" lists could be regrouped condensed and summarized without needing to discard any sources. Some of the sources could be reused to provide actual commentary and insight instead of a mere bullet point on a list. The boiler plate repeated text specifying "best of series" "best of franchise" and number rankings or unnecessary specifying of years could all be condensed. I don't immediately recall which article it was but User:Ajd has done exactly this kind of summary before (I'll try to add a link later if I remember). Anyone interested in improving this article would do well to restore all those references that were deleted and then rewrite the article. I might even get around to doing it myself eventually. -- 109.79.164.242 (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big delete 

message: The text that the anonymous editor keeps reinserting is problematic in a few ways, most of which derive from its bad sourcing: 1) A brief article on a fan blog in which he talks mostly about about himself and explains that he wasn't even watching the show at the time. This is a terrible source: self-published and second-(third?)-hand. 2) Reader comments on a company blog by Keith DeCandido, who writes for the franchise. Even if a Trek freelancer was an objective source for Trek commentary (he is not, and quoting his review later is equally iffy), and his quips at the end of this particular episode summary were anything other than one person's thoughts (they are not), the article isn't even citing him. The "many watchers note the frustration...." bit is based on the comments posted on the article. That's WP:OR at best, and further assumes that the blog's readers are somehow representative of a much larger population. This is a textbook example of how not to source facts on Wikipedia. As I alluded to in my original edit summary taking out that text: the Reception section already talks about the storytelling impact of the cliffhanger, and does it better than this, by citing credible, independent critics in real publications. This adds nothing to the article except to make it look like a fan gushing awkwardly about a favorite episode. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:57, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor references, unsupported peacock claims 

message: In the fourth par of the Production section. "Patrick Stewart" or "Stewart" would be more appropriate. 2A02:C7C:BCA0:CA00:206B:572E:6988:3BEF (talk) 13:12, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . DonIago (talk) 04:32, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Patrick Stewart as "Patrick".