Wikipedia talk:Romanian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 5

message: I posted another message on wikipedia-l (lists). If you feel concerned, please react in the discussion that will ensue. Bonaparte and Anittas: please do not intervene, because your posts may jeopardize our initiatives (you tend to use language that is not suited/politically correct/correct). If you choose to post, anyway, only post if you feel your position is rational, and only rational text. Otherwise, you help Node_ue. Wikipedia-l is here . You may need an account to post. Dpotop 12:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see Node wants to Bring his Russians into this again: "Hi again. Since there is now a majority voting to keep this Wikipedia, the Romanians have decided they don't like democracy anymore, and have taken it to the Wikipedia-l mailing list: here. Hopefully, the people in charge will not fall for this, but I think it would be good if some voices of reason and logic could be heard on the mailing list too. Thanks! --Node" TSO1D 15:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem, wikipedia-l is not about voting, it's about explaining rational things to the decision-makers. It's essential that we remain calm and rational. Note the number of messages Node_ue is sending. Dpotop 16:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as his messages lack qualities, he thinks he can compensate through sheer quantity. TSO1D 17:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Until now, quantity was enough. :( Dpotop 17:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Part 2

message: Ok, my push on wikipedia-l for the closure of the Moldovan wikipedia failed. I have even provided evidence of Node_ue harassing me over e-mail, and all these guys had to say is a plain "we don't care about your problems". Right now I am not sure I wish to be a part of such an organization where self-organization and self-governance is just a facade. Looks very much like justice in Romania. Dpotop 14:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I forgot: My failure does not influence the status quo. The vote organized by Node_ue, or our complete closure request are just as useless from a practical point. The people on wikipedia-l simply seem stuffed with this Moldovan business. Dpotop 16:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  After another e-mail request, I realized I did not give you the link to some anti-romanian prose by Node_ue. Try it here  (his message is attached at the end). Dpotop 11:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Part 3

message: (I don't really know where to post this, I hope this is the right place for it :) An user at HuWiki mentioned that Romania has (at least) 4 national theatres, I added their names to the article National Theatre, please check if these are the correct names (and add the missing ones if there are more of them). greetings, – Alensha 寫 词 19:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the equivalent disambig at ro.wiki, there are listed seven of them. I added them to the page. bogdan 19:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: National theatres

message: Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard naming scheme 

message: I have created a new article on this interesting subject, perhaps you would like to expand it?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Piotrus, I dropped a note at Portal:Romania/New article announcements, which is probably the best place to notify about this sort of thing. - Jmabel | Talk 05:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Polish-Romanian Alliance]] 

message: Some contention at Talk:Byzantium after Byzantium. It looks to me like an article with some good material, but possibly a bit of a POV polemic. Others on this board may want to weigh in. - Jmabel | Talk 06:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Byzantium after Byzantium 

message: I'm currently working on a script intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you know any of the languages listed at User:Soman/Lang-Help , then please help by filling in the blanks. For example I need help with Romanian. Thanks, --Soman 12:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with translations 

message: right|300px|Four RomaniansAnittas (who is currently banned, for reasons that do not bear on his trustworthiness) sent me the image I have now uploaded as :Image:Four Romanians.JPG, and suggests that it might make a better choice for the Infobox for the [Romanians]] article. From left to right, Stephen III of Moldavia (Ştefan Cel Mare); composer George Enescu; scientist Victor Babeş; and jet aircraft pioneer Henri Coandă. All images should be public domain. And of course we could mix and match. Just passing it along.
Any discussion should probably be at Talk:Romanians#Possible alternate image. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again, no "Romanians list" can exist without Eminescu. And I presume Michael the Brave cannot be forgotten, either. Dpotop 09:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible alternate image(s) for Romanians infobox 

message: În 17 septembrie va fi referendum în Transnistria legat de independenţa regiunii. Cu această ocazie probabil multă lume va căuta pe Wikipedia informaţii despre Transnistria. Am încercat să adaug în articol nişte informaţii legate de acest referendum, anume:
- faptul că mai multe organizaţii antiseparatiste au lansat un apel la boicotare, considerînd referendumul "farsă"
- faptul că din 46 de ţări membre ale Consiliului Europei, 45 sînt împotriva recunoaşterii referendumului, numai RUsia are altă părere
- faptul că datele Comisiei Electorale Centrale din Tiraspol au fost schimbate în mod ciudat, anume numărul total de alegători s-a micşorat cu 7% faţă de 2005, ceea ce ridică suspiciuni asupra unei încercări de creştere artificială a prezenţei la vot prin raportarea unui număr mai mic de alegători înregistraţi.
Totdeauna am dat lincurile care dovedesc cele scrise de mine, n-am născocit nimic din burtă.
:For the benefit of those who don't read Romanian: I don't have time right now to translate all that, but it starts with…
::On 17 September there will be a referendum in Transnistria about regional independence. With this occasion, probably much of the world will look to Wikipedia for information about Transnistria. I've tried to add in the articel some information about this referendum, in particular:
::*The fact that many anti-separatist organizations have launched an apeal for a boycott, considering the referendum a "farse"
::*The fact that of 46 member countries of the Council of Europe, 45 are against recognizing the referendum, only Russia has a different opinion
…
Hope that helps. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transnistria 

message: There was a recent edit at Palatul Telefoanelor that made some perfectly plausible changes, but without citation (and without changing the citations, so now info is cited to sources that don't bear it out). Pretty much everything I know on the topic comes from the sources I cited, so I don't have much to add; all I can find on the web to bear out the changes is forums and the like. But I'm figuring someone from Bucharest may be able to determine if my sources are wrong. See Talk:Palatul Telefoanelor#Recent changes. I'm inclined to revert and maybe just add footnotes about the possible discrepancies; does anyone have anything more solid. - Jmabel | Talk 06:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palatul Telefoanelor 

message: Some ten days ago I restored some relevant information in the article Islam in Romania, mentioning Transylvania in the history section. User Dahn didn't agree to this and repeatedly deleted my edit. 
We started a debate on the Talk:Islam in Romania, where I plead for mentioning Transylvania in the article, my counterpart uncompromisingly refusing it.  Subsidiarily, I called for caution when linking an article. 
User Dahn started then personal attacks, slandering, accusing and denouncing me.  
I consider this behaviour to be injustified and inacceptable.
Though I am not aware of having done whatever to deserve such a treatment, I would like to have your opinions on this case.
I know that this request doesn't fullfill the requirements for a formal Request for Comment, but I am very interested in your opinion on this case, here on the Romanian Portal.
If I'm not asking too much, please take your time, read carefully the documents and give your comment. Thank you. 
 
--Timor Stultorum 14:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just in case someone is actually going to answer this informal request, I urge him or her to take a look over all the sections of that talk page, not just the fragments indicated by a man who has repeatedly posted inflammatory and misleading spam. Dahn 14:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Opinion 

message: Salut! Sunt Radufan, administrator la Wikipedia în limba română. Cred că a-ţi avut ocazia să constataţi cum stau lucrurile pe acolo. Ne apropiem de 40.000 de articole însă la capitolul calitate nu stăm foarte bine. Avem nevoie de mai multe contribuţii mai experte şi ştiu că aici este o mică comunitate care se pricepe bine la Wikipedia. Poate ceea ce nu ştiţi este faptul că aici sunt mai mulţi contributori români decât suntem la Wikipedia românească. Nu e o glumă, suntem doar o mână de oameni care ne ocupăm de tot, deşi statisticile arată că avem 20.000 de utilizatori. În realitate nici 10% nu fac măcar o contribuţie iar cei stabili care contribuie săptămânal sunt nu mai mult de 30-40. Aşa că 40.000 de articole sunt exagerat de mult de gestionat pentru atâţi de puţini. Dacă aveţi timp mai treceţi şi pe WikiRo şi contribuiţi un rând, două. Aici chiar sunt enorm de mulţi şi nu-mi fac griji că nu se descurcă fără userii ro. E o sfidă nu un apel de disperare. Dacă o mână de oameni am făcut Wikiro, aşa cum e ea, ce am putea face cu mai mulţi wikipedişti experimentaţi? Ministerul Educaţiei începe un proiect de cooperare cu noi prin care popularizează Wikipedia în şcoli. . În tandem, presa deja a început să vorbească despre noi şi Asociaţia Wiki Ro e pe cale să ia fiinţă. Impactul a ce facem noi poate fi enorm de mare. Gândiţi-vă numai puţin. Vă aşteptăm!--Radufan 02:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia românească

message: Could someone take a look on this, improve it or let it delete if NN? TIA Pavel Vozenilek 01:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is factually-correct, and I think it's notable in that mujdei is a rather popular sauce in Romania. I think it should be improved, however.  Ronline ✉ 04:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mujdei]] 

message: The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 02:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DYK

message: (Not that I'm trying to interrupt anyone's nap, but…) 
Recently, the more literal translation was deleted from Deşteaptă-te, române!. I think it is a bad decision, but would like to see a consensus develop one way or another; discussion at Talk:Deşteaptă-te, române!#Why remove the more literal translation? - Jmabel | Talk 05:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Deşteaptă-te, române!'' 

message: For those of you who don't remember the Sorin Cerin saga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sorin_Cerin. I see that substantially the same article (with exactly the same poorly placed punctuation marks) has now appeared on the Romanian Wikipedia. I wouldn't have noticed this except that someone with exactly the same bad punctuation chose to leave me a notice on my user talk page about how mean the English-language Wikipedia was to poor D-ul Cerin.
I would appreciate if those who are active on the Romanian Wikipedia work out whether (unlike what appeared to be the case in the go-round this summer) the article presents adequate evidence of notability (in which case it should probably be translated for the English-language Wikipedia) or not (in which case it should probably be deleted from the Romanian-language Wikipedia). Since he apparently writes in English, it is hard to see how it could merit inclusion in the Romanian-language Wikipedia and not in the English. - Jmabel | Talk 16:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorin Cerin, again 

message: (Or romi.) I know that a few people have been active on topics related to Romas in Romania. I see that is the theme of the current issue of Dilema Veche: . I bet there is material there worth mining. - Jmabel | Talk
:Thanks for the link :) Dilema Veche is a great resource for commentary on social issues, particularly relating to equality and civil rights.  Ronline ✉ 02:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romas 

message: May I request that a few more people watch Romania during World War II? I just removed blatant Holocaust denial that had been there for five days. - Jmabel | Talk 06:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romania during World War II 

message: Hey, I just wanted to say how genuinely cool it is that there is enough work going on on en-wiki about Romania that I can't keep up with it all, and that far more of it is good than not. I'm really impressed. - Jmabel | Talk 06:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Level of activity 

message: A question if I may. As many know, a descendant of this family is one of the most prominent people and an iconic figure in the Ukrainian culture known as Peter Mogila or, in Ukrainian, Petro Mohyla, a Kiev Metropolitan in the 17th century. 
My question is about redirects. Currently Mogila redirects to the metropolitan but Mohyla redirects to the family. This of course makes no sense. They both should redirect to one and the same place. The question is where, family or metropolitan.
I would like to change the redirect of the Ukrainian-based Mohyla to the metropolitan article and would like to check here first. It seems to me that anyone enetering Mohyla in the search field is likely to be looking to the metropolitan rather than the Moldavian family. We could add to the top of the article a note that would say something like:
----
:Mogila and Mohyla redirect here. For the noble Moldavian family see Movileşti
----
The main reason is that this particular member of the family is very prominent in the Slavic culture and whoever enters the Slavic spelling in the search filed is likely to be looking for the metropolitan rather than the family. Thoughts? --Irpen 15:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I believe I am responsible for that. The thing is that the Polish Mohyła was the most used name for the family after the Romanian variants, since the family was eventually integrated into Polish nobility (Mohyła currently redirects to the family); I don't know what that says about the non-diacritic version - which, written as such, coincides with the Ukrainian version -, but, whatever solution you adopt in the end, consider this aspect in your evaluation. Personally, I think both of the two solutions possible are as acceptable. Dahn 16:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Movileşti