Talk:Canoeing

message: All 3 of them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.195.232.141 (talk) 02:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to olympic results broken 

message: If every different nation tries to define the word "Canoe" based on the type they use, we end up with a Tower of Babel.  
Let's use existing well-established international standards in our definitions please.
The confusion that arises when it is not appreciated that "Canoe" is the name used internationally to refer to a generic hullshape that describes an elongated boat whose lines in plan view taper to a point at both ends.  Within this Generic Shape are classified many types.  For Example the North American Canoe, Canadian Canoe, Inuit Canoe (Otherwise known as a Kayak) - even (as someone has pointed out) a cutoff-motorised canoe.
The International and National Governing bodies of the sport of Canoeing are carefully named in the generic Canoe Sense.
See John MacGregor (sportsman)/ A Thousand Miles in the Rob Roy Canoe/ International Canoe Federation / British Canoe Union.
The ICF slalom rules describe further specialisations on the two main types as follows:
CATEGORIES Kayak Men (KM), Kayak Women (KW), Canadian Men (CM), Canadian Women (CW)
7.1.6 Kayaks are decked boats, which must be propelled by double bladed paddles and inside which
the competitors sit. Canadian canoes are decked boats that must be propelled by single-bladed paddles and inside which the competitors kneel.
The Flatwater rules describe different specialisations.
"CATEGORIES Kayak Men, Kayak Women, Canadian Men, Canadian Women."
However these rules do sometimes shorten "Canadian Canoe" to simply "Canoe".
Not in all cases, though.  see "rule 19.1 All kayaks and canoes shall carry a vertical plate, made of non-transparent material, marked with black numbers on a white background, indicating the lane. 
19.2 The plates shall be placed on the centreline on the afterdeck (Canadian canoes foredeck)."
Further ICF Flatwater rules:
"21.1 Kayaks shall be propelled solely by means of double-bladed paddles."
"21.2 Canadian canoes shall be propelled solely by means of single-bladed paddles."
"21.3 The paddles may not be fixed on the boats in any way."
Rule 21.3 clearly differentiates the type from Rowing craft.
See Also:
Robert Louis Stevenson's 1876 voyage by canoe through the canals and rivers of France and Belgium, published in 1878 as An Inland Voyage, used "Rob Roy" canoes.  Inuits and their specialised canoes hadn't been discovered at that point, so the word 'Kayak' doesn't come in to it.
Suggested Rule of thumb: A Kayak is an Inuit type of Canoe.
It would be extremely tiresome to have to define a new sport each time a new type of canoe was announced.  Also, the Governing Bodies would have to add a new name to their title.
It's the ICF International Canoe Federation.  (Not the International Canoe/Kayak Federation).
Take a parallel with Rowing. It isn't called "Rowing/ Sculling", where Rowing is carried out with a single oar and Sculling is performed with two oars per crewman. 
(For Forth Canoe Club Edinburgh, Scotland.  Affiliated to the Scottish Canoe Association).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.30.139 (talk) 22:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  International and National Governing Bodies for Canoeing 

message: the statement that canoes are "pointed at both ends" is false. there exist canoes with one end flat for purposes of small motors. In fact when selling a canoe it is recommended to advertise whether or not it is double or flat ended canoe because the audiences are different.Tundrabuggy (talk) 13:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double Ended vs Flat Ended

message: The Philadelphia Inquirer has done a short documentary video about canoeing. I have posted a link to the video under external links. It gives a very good visual guide to canoeing. Ksensenig (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short Documentary on Canoeing 

message: There is a proposal underway at WP:CFD to change the name of categories using the term "canoer" to "canoeist" 9which is a far more widely-used term). Please feel free to comment at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_January_3#Canoers.2FCanoeists. Grutness...wha? 01:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canoer &rarr; Canoeist 

message: There is such a difference between the "shells" used for racing from the recreational and tripping canoes used or seen by most people that this article is mixing apples and oranges. Just because the name is the same doesn't make them the same. Combining them with kayaks is even more fun! What is the target audience?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.88.119 (talk) 22:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  what's in a name 

message: A large amount of excellent material was added today.   But is is so whitewater-oriented  that it introduced some errors regarding the common forms of canoeing.  Also introduced some form issues.  Some  too-detailed stuff was put into the lead, and which is not in the body of the article.  We can just sort through it over time. North8000 (talk) 17:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Large amount of changes today

message: I plan to delete the "types of canoes" section.  I think that this is needed 4 times over: 
#It has nowhere the sourcing needed. The only sourcing is in the heading, and it is a (for this use) a very low grade tertiary source. I say low grade because the poster invented a system of "canoe types" which is non-existent except on that page and which has little basis in reality. If the reference has anything on canoeing' I'll find a way to save it. 
#The wp material invents even more stuff which is not even in that article.  
#Off topic.  The article subject is canoeing, not canoes. 
#Duplication.  There is a canoe article. And this does not summarize it, it conflicts with it. 
 
Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: I plan to delete the "types of canoes" section

message: "Canoeing" is the act of paddling or using a canoe.  And generally it would encompass various other activities that involve canoeing. (e.g. canoe camping, canoe racing).  Pretty much all of these are covered by other articles.  So I guess that some potential answers to the titled question are: 
#It should not exist as a separate article
#Exist as an expanded definition, with lots of internal links to the other canoeing topics/ articles.  
#Briefly cover the canoeing topics, with lots of links to those articles. 
I think that right now the article is somewhere between #2 and #3.  I tend to think it should be #3 and intend to work it more towards that.  But #1 or #2 would also be fine with me. North8000 (talk) 15:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Challenge...what should this article be about?