Talk:Petar Preradović

message: There was no croatia state at that time, it was Austro-Hungary, so Patar Preradivic can not be croation, he is srb.
:There was also no Serbia in that time, so he can′t be a Serb. Of course chetniks will say ″he was a Serb″. --46.188.222.241 (talk) 14:04, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: Avala, stating what exactly are OR claims or facts that need additional verification would be helpful. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 21:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR 

message: Can you give me a source where it states that he's from a Serb orthodox family. I have been reading a book that is called Famous Croats of XIX. century and in the article about Preradović I haven't found any sentence that says that he's an Orthodox Serb. The writer of that book is also from the XIX. century so maybe he knows best. If I get some time I will rewrite this article.The Editor14 (talk) 21:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are free to remove controversial unreferencd content, and rewrite the disputable parts with properly referenced material. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 13:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Indeed, esp. considering the fact that he took part in Illyrian movement and wrote Croatian patriotic songs, having relearned his mother tongue which he had forgotten. He is equally "ethnically" Croat as Serb, more Croat since father's side is usually taken as an argument on ethnicity. >90% books.google.com sources quote him as "Croatian poet"; the dude who added the ref just pasted a first result for a "Preradovic Serb" query.  --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 14:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: Mr. Stambuk, where did you find this fact? Please share your source with wikipedia community.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.91.1.44 (talk) 14:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Croat catholic father ?

message: You have invented that Preradovic had Croat father. Find reference. 
Preradović was born in the village of Grabrovnica, which was part of the Austrian Military Frontier, to a Croat father  (Ivan), or to a Serb Orthodox father (Jovan/Ivan) ( Detailed history and origine of family Preradović from Gornja Krajina (Grubišno Polje etc). as well as their relation to the russian branch (general Nikolay Depreradovich etc), may be seen in the book published in Zagreb, Croatia in 1903, Znameniti Srbi XIX veka, year 2, 2, editor Andra Gavrilović, Zagreb 1903, p. 13. Also, book published in Belgrade in 1888, Milan Đ. Milićević, Pomenik znamenitih ljudi u srpskog naroda novijeg doba, p. 572. For the list of Preradovićs (Serbs) murderd in Jasenovac concentration camp of Independent State of Croatia (NDH) during World War II, including Preradovićs from Grubišno Polje, where father of Petar Preradović was born see (offical in Croatia) Jasenovac Memorial site list of victims, where one could see a few Jovan Preradović, as was the name of Petar Preradović`s fater (http://www.jusp-jasenovac.hr Spomen Područje Jasenovac), or names of 100 Preradovićs on the list of victims on the list of victims of Jasenovac Research Institue, New York,  
- (https://cp13.heritagewebdesign.com/~lituchy/victim_search.php?field=&searchtype=contains)
: Your references are some alleged books from 1903 and 1888, completely uncheckable, PoVish (prob. ridden with contemporary Serbian nationalist propaganda, as most such books from that era are) and thus unverifiable. Preradović himself was closest to be self-declared as Yugoslav as one can imagine (prominent Illyrian movement figure, pan-Slavic unity, blah, blah...try reading some of his works). Could you find some book published in the late 1990s and after (preferably not the type of ones that also classify e.g. Ivan Gundulić as "najveći Srbin") that support his Serbdom from the father's line please?
: Your Jasenovac links are also worthless, as they do not indicate relationship with this person and any of which you claim to be his "father". In case you haven't noticed, this Petar Preradović died in 1872, some 70 years before Jasenovac was built. Or is this some pathetic attempt to demonise Croats by mentioning completely irrelevant topic of Jasenovac? ^_ ^ --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 08:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Serb Orthodox father and Serb Orthodox mother, Stambuk