Talk:List of South Korean musicians

message: There appears to be a pending edit war on this article. Please discuss before doing any more reverts. Active Banana   ( bananaphone 20:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is citation for each entry is necessary...I mean, all entries are linked to their respective articles (which state that they sing in Korean). As for artists that are not of Korean ethnicity, we cann put footnotes with them. Farjad0322 (talk) 20:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:BIO#Lists_of_people: "Furthermore, every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group." Yes, sources for every entry in lists involving people. Active Banana   ( bananaphone 23:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Just great! Now the real work begins...I will start sourcing the entries by tommorow. Farjad0322 (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Given this edit . There may be some dispute about the contents of the article. Before you begin sourcing, you may want to verify with the other user that s/he will agree to that definition. Active Banana   ( bananaphone 00:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I plan to involve a South Korean administrator to define it for us. I will try finding him/her on Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea. If that won't work, I will ask an administrator from Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians to make a definition. In either way, it is going to be a long trip. So, I will start from tommorow with a fresh mind. Farjad0322 (talk) 01:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content discussion to prevent edit war 

message: Before anyone start fixing this list, we need to collect opinions on definition of criteria for entries in the list. Without the definition, we cannot start adding citations. Criteria could be one OR more of the following. Farjad0322 (talk) 18:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Category:North Korean musicians and :Category:North Korean musicians
*C. Musicians by language e.g. Artists need to sing in Korean language - will create problems for instrumentalists and artists of other ethnicities...footnotes suggested
*D. Musicians by genre e.g. Ballad (such as K.Will), Rock (such as TRAX (band)), K-pop (such as SNSD), Hip-hop (such as Taeyang) etc.:Category:Korean musicians by genre
*E. Musicians by type e.g. Type of music: vocalists, rappers, DJs, songwriters, instrumentalists, composers...
*F. Other ideas...share...
*G. Or may be we should delete the list and rely on :Category:Korean musicians in future...
*H. Or may be we should create a separate list for each of these options...
*I. Or may be we should modify this list into tables (one for solo artists and one for bands) such as one below. (This will solve most our problems but will require multiple citations)...
 Korean solo artists
Artist       	Aliases   	Gender	Types             	Languages      	Genre       	Ethnicity               	Nationality
Kim Hyung-Soo	K.Will    	Male  	Vocalist, composer	Korean         	Soul        	Korean                  	South Korea
Tasha Reid   	Baby Tasha	Female	Vocalist, rapper  	English, Korean	Hip-hop, R&B	African American, Korean	South Korea, USA
 Korean bands
Band             	Other names                 	Members         	Languages                	Genre
2PM              	-                           	6 (formerly 7)  	Korean                   	Dance, Hip-hop, Pop
Girls' Generation	So Nyeo Shi Dae, SNSD, Soshi	9               	English, Japanese, Korean	Dance, Pop
Super Junior     	SJ, SuJu                    	12 (formerly 13)	Chinese, Korean          	Dance, Pop, R&B
===straw poll===
* somewhere (within the naming guidelines or disambiguation maybe?) there is a proposition of "least astonishment" - that article content/names should be the ones that when a reader arrives on the page the content should be the "least astonishing" connection. For me, upon hearing "Korean musicians" I would be least astonished if the list were people of Korean Nationality. I would not be very astonished if I landed on the page and saw that it was people of Korean ethnicity. I would be slightly more, but not unreasonably, astonished upon seeing people who have recorded/performed in the Korean language.  I am not seeing any of the proposals as being astonishing enough that I would block consensus for their use. (as a side note I hate working with tables, but the suggested table format would allow an organization of all of the potential data.) Active Banana   ( bananaphone 18:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *Meh, I guess we would need to move this article to List of South Korean artists then. If we kept it here, we could still use it as a nationality because the actual name of South Korea is the Republic of Korea, and the actual name of North Korea is...Democratic People's Republic of Korea (what a mouthful), but I guess it would still be misleading and kind of confusing to have an article for two nationalities. Maybe when the countries reunite we can put them together...lol. mx3 話 15:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

text: *If we had it at that, we couldn't include any bands, and I personally don't see any problem with including rappers, instrumentalists, etc. mx3 話 15:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Bands are technically artists (people who make music) in a group shape. In the list they have a separate section. Hence they belong in the category of musicians, in my opinion. But I will consider moving them to a separate list. Since not all of the members of a band be of South Korean nationality. I would have to conduct a separate discussion for that. Farjad0322 (talk|contribs) 14:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinions for 'criteria definition' 

message: * somewhere (within the naming guidelines or disambiguation maybe?) there is a proposition of "least astonishment" - that article content/names should be the ones that when a reader arrives on the page the content should be the "least astonishing" connection. For me, upon hearing "Korean musicians" I would be least astonished if the list were people of Korean Nationality. I would not be very astonished if I landed on the page and saw that it was people of Korean ethnicity. I would be slightly more, but not unreasonably, astonished upon seeing people who have recorded/performed in the Korean language.  I am not seeing any of the proposals as being astonishing enough that I would block consensus for their use. (as a side note I hate working with tables, but the suggested table format would allow an organization of all of the potential data.) Active Banana   ( bananaphone 18:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *Meh, I guess we would need to move this article to List of South Korean artists then. If we kept it here, we could still use it as a nationality because the actual name of South Korea is the Republic of Korea, and the actual name of North Korea is...Democratic People's Republic of Korea (what a mouthful), but I guess it would still be misleading and kind of confusing to have an article for two nationalities. Maybe when the countries reunite we can put them together...lol. mx3 話 15:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

text: *If we had it at that, we couldn't include any bands, and I personally don't see any problem with including rappers, instrumentalists, etc. mx3 話 15:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Bands are technically artists (people who make music) in a group shape. In the list they have a separate section. Hence they belong in the category of musicians, in my opinion. But I will consider moving them to a separate list. Since not all of the members of a band be of South Korean nationality. I would have to conduct a separate discussion for that. Farjad0322 (talk|contribs) 14:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: straw poll

message: This list is need of a clean up. Things to pay attention to:
* Listed artists/bands don't exist on English wiki
* Duplicates (Ex. Girls Generation and SNSD)
* Solo artists and groups section (with their own 0-9 & A-Z)
* When you get to group section, the columns are balances (middle column starting at M-S)
I propose combining the Solo artists and Groups sections, using Template:Compact ToC instead of custom TOC and break each person/group in each heading into columns of four. Before we can do that, I request a semi-protection to prevent this mess from being re-created since most contributors were IPs (nothing wrong with IP contributors but...) and looking at the reverts from them in the history. ☴ Jaewon [Talk] 22:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: . ☴ Jaewon [Talk] 03:51, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
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