Talk:Broadway Sacramento

message: No way is this article a B class, because:
*Has POV all over it with its boosterism
*Woefully lacking sources
*Has need of correction of mis-spellings (e.g. "loured")
*Breadth is lacking.
Best regards, Feralfeline 05:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me!--Amadscientist (talk) 11:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment notes

message: Wikipedia guidelines on spelling variations say that articles about subjects in the United States should use standard American spellings.  Of course, this doesn't apply to proper nouns.--Bhuck (talk) 09:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: THEATRE is the proper US spelling. Editors should research other articles about theatre in Wiki before making sweeping changes that are incorrect.--Amadscientist (talk) 10:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you be more specific about just what articles should be researched?  I was thinking of the explanation located here.--Bhuck (talk) 13:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Both theatre and theater are valid US spellings. Guidelines say that spelling ought not to be altered. The argument about regional variation is a red herring. DionysosProteus (talk) 15:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All wiki links to "Theatre" use this spelling it is consistant with the US Wikipedia.--Amadscientist (talk) 20:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Could you please be more specific about which guideline exactly says that when and under what circumstances spelling should not be altered?  In what sense is the argument about regional variation a red herring?  You will note that I did not alter the spelling in the wikilinks, although it is not true that all wikilinks to theater/theatre use the British spelling.  See for example Regional theater in the United States.--Bhuck (talk) 07:49, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Do you think that this article needs to be changed?  I happen to think that that article is accurate, but if it is not, then it needs changing.  Otherwise Wikipedia is inconsistent, saying that Americans spell the word "theater" and then writing "theatre" even in American contexts (or Wikipedia is taking a British-Australian-etc. POV with regard to spellings).  In cases where we are linking to articles without a specific American context, we can justify using the other spelling because it is a link to a specific article using that spelling.  When linking to the regional theater article, we should of course also link to the spelling used in that article.  And when not linking to anything at all, we should use "theater" (if we are talking about something in California), unless it is a proper noun--the California Musical Theatre can spell its name anyway it wants--it could also decide to be the Kalifornia Musical Theatre, and then we would spell California with a K when writing the proper noun name of the theater and say that the KMT was located in California (with a C).--Bhuck (talk) 13:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You actualy bring up a very important point. Yes, I do believe that article needs to be changed as it is refering to a very old standard. Since the mid 1980s the RE spelling has been returning in everyday use. For "Movie Theatre" as well "Live Theatre". I want to makw the changes but will only do so when I have time to save the proper refrences.
Wikipedia is edited by so many people it is up to the editors themselves to decide on the consensus of what is to be used here. Honestly I just hardly see the ER spelling anymore.
Here are a few links to provide some measure of reference to my claim.
Regal Entertainment
One other thing....which is funny. Google "Theater" with the ER and the first thing at the top of the list....is the Wikipedia page for "Theatre". Just kind of amusing I thought but anyways.....--Amadscientist (talk) 22:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, I will hold off a few more days before switching the spelling back to theater, and wait to see how the project of changing the article on American and British spelling goes.  If that gets successfully changed, there would be no need to switch the spelling here.  I think the New York Times does use the er spelling, and I think that is a fairly authoritative source for what constitutes American spelling, but, hey, let's see what references you can dig up and what other people think about them.--Bhuck (talk) 19:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to get involved in the conflict between you and Dionysos Proteus (or however he spells his name), but was wondering if you had made any progress on the spelling research.--Bhuck (talk) 16:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling variations 

message: Guys, that's enough. Both of you seem to have crossed the line into incivility and probably should take a break to cool off. Take my word for it: finger pointing and accusations are pointless, and only aggravate the situation. This is a content dispute, and I suggest you look to dispute resolution in this situation. Try a request for comment or third party. In the meantime, I have temporarily protected the page, as I am not convinced that this edit war will stop.
:# Assume good faith. Enough said.
:# Amadscientist is correct when saying "This is a current event that will not define the theatre in the long run." In any dispute resolution process, this will probably be a popular opinion by mediators. DionysosProteus is correct that the controversy occupies a large portion of the body of the article, but this does not mean that it necessarily should occupy this much space. If this article was developed fully, this controversy would be of a relatively small importance, for example. This is merely my (third party) opinion, so take it to dispute resolution if that doesn't help settle things.
:# No more reverting. While I have reviewed the situation and decided that a 3RR block of Amadscientist is not warranted at this time, when this page is unprotected, and if no dispute resolution process has been tried but the edit war continues, I or another administrator may issue a block even if the three revert rule isn't violated. 
Play nice, guys. And above all, remember to stay cool when the editing gets hot. Okiefromokla questions? 05:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Page protected

message: I have made the section smaller. It seems a better fit for the overall size of the article, yet retains the same information.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Condensed Prop 8 section 

message: Substituted at 10:44, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment