Talk:David Owen

message: 8th December 2006- yet more editing by me of libels and gross exaggerations. 
I've deleted several references to books that are given to -uniquely- invite the reader to read Owen from the viewpoint of his alleged enemies. There was a outright libel about his time in the Balkans which I have deleted and will delete again if needs be.
Correct!David Owen is married to Debbie. Needs to be corrected!
Pupil from India
Does anyone know if Lord Owen was one of the later SDP MPs who voted for Foot to ensure that Healey didn't get in in 1980 and create the party crises.
There's no way off verifying this - Ivor Crewe and Anthony King uncovered this when interviewing ex-Labour/SDP MPs 'off the record' and this was told to them in confidence. The names of the MPs remain unknown, and it could be any half-dozen of the 27 ex-Labour SDP MPs. Perhaps someone would like to ask old Doctor Death himself...
:It is ironic given the subject matter that the last contributor(s) have chosen not to reveal their own identities! Philip Cross 07:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: Now, I realize that Owen is a pretty divisive figure, but would a more neutral headshot of him be able to be used? The current one makes him look a bit like some sort of villianous evil genius stereotype. -- User: Lawrence142002  —Preceding undated comment added 00:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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message: not moved per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The argument that the gentleman is better known by his name rather than his title is persuasive as does the argument that this is the more obvious, concise, and precise name. --rgpk (comment) 10:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, your argument is entirely unpersuasive for the simple reason than any exception which turns on someone getting a peerage after retirement clearly cannot apply to someone who has not retired!  Lord Owen was elevated to the peerage in 1992, at age 54.  This was no retirement honour, but rather a simple move to put him into the House of Lords where he has served actively for many years.  A search in Google News for his name (with title) for just this year so far reveals 548 articles with his activity ranging from AV referendum to the Libyan crisis to relations with Russia.  The man is in no way retired.  He's a very active member of the House of Lords, and still very much on the UK national - and indeed world - stage.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 00:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That just isn't true. Certainly the "Baron Owen" bit - I don't think I've ever heard him called that, whereas references to him as David Owen are numerous.--Kotniski (talk) 11:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

text: See what I mean? No reasons are being provided for giving this article the odd-sounding title that's being proposed, other than "the guideline says" (arguments have been given which would support "Lord Owen", but not "David Owen, Baron Owen"). Perhaps it's the guideline that's wrong? Can anyone give a defence of this proposed title from first principles, without referring to the guideline? --Kotniski (talk) 10:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I can do that. But this is not the place. Kittybrewster  ☎ 10:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, given that this is the place where the proposal is being made and where its merits will eventually be assessed, this is most definitely the place. Please go ahead.--Kotniski (talk) 11:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Life barons are shown as David Owen, Baron Owen unless they are almost invariably known as something else. WP:NCPEER takes precedence. This enables one to distinguish ranks, as e.g. Lord Campbell. Kittybrewster  ☎ 11:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you've still referred to the guideline (and all you've done is effectively restate it). There are no ranks to be distinguished here, particularly if we use David Owen. And the first sentence is manifestly not true - look at other politicians of similar standing from his era - Margaret Thatcher, Neil Kinnock, David Steel - they all have their articles titled with their personal names only, even though it's not true at all to say that they are "almost invariably known" by those names.--Kotniski (talk) 11:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is an argument for moving those; not an argument for going against NCPEER in this case. Kittybrewster  ☎ 13:48, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an argument that shows that NCPEER is not literally adhered to, i.e. as currently worded, it does not truly represent consensus. We're still waiting for any genuine reason as to why "David Owen, Baron Owen" might be a better title for this article than "David Owen".--Kotniski (talk) 14:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Disambiguation per Nom. Kittybrewster  ☎ 16:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: From whom? He's the primary topic, isn't he? (in fact adding "Baron Owen" to the title will make it less recognizable to the vast majority of the audience, not more).--Kotniski (talk) 16:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
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message: Would an interview with transcript with David Owen from 1987 be useful here as an external link? Focus of conversation is nuclear weapons policy. http://openvault.wgbh.org/catalog/V_A44BCE09B6A44731A104406F24CCDD9D (I have a conflict of interest; otherwise I would add it myself.) Mccallucc (talk) 14:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: I have noted at Talk:Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change that I think there is an issue with the date when Owen was moved to the position of Shadow Enegry Secretary. It  says in that article and in the info boxes here that this move took place on 14th July. However the Shadow Cabinet election result was declared on 14th June and Owen's 'demotion' is reported in the The Glasgow Herald of 15th June 1979 (as I have put in the article).. It is possible the changes did not immediately take effect, but I also think it is possible that the date here (and at Shadow Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, is an error and should be 14th June 1979 , especially as the Shadow Secretary of State for Defence article suggests that the change office holder in that portfolio took place on 14th June an error.Dunarc (talk) 23:32, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shadow Foreign Secretary and Shadow Energy Secretary dates