Talk:Karlovy Vary

message: Strange, I have never, ever heard of this being called anything other than Carlsbad.
Ameise -- chat 05:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: me neither -- and last time i looked, it was indeed Karlsbad. i suspect User:Wik or one of his more recent socks. 72.235.246.80 08:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Carlsbad or Carlsbadt is used in historical Latin writings. Again, English Wikipedia should at least 'remember' the old latin name that monks used for centuries. --IEEE 03:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The sentence Carlsbad, New Mexico and Carlsbad, California, in the United States, and nearby Carlsbad Caverns National Park take their names from Karlovy Vary. is plain hilarious. I'll make a request to move the article. Many Czech websites written in English use Carlsbad anyway, quite a testimonial that they don't consider this obsolete or politically incorrect. -- Matthead discuß!     O       23:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# Support as nom. -- Matthead discuß!     O       23:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So we should use Ofen for Budapest I suppose? Johnbod 01:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you even read what I have written ? Budapest and Carldsbad are both names used in English. Do not use some local German, local Czech, local Hungarian names if established English name exists. English->Latin->Local in that order. Example: we use Copenhagen (English) not København (Danish). English speaker can't even pronounce 'Karlovy Vary' right. That name is useless for English speakers and this is English wikipedia if I am not mistaken.--IEEE 04:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Map from 15th century ? No way. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 11:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Map Regni Bohemiae Descriptio was made by famous Flemish cartographer Abraham Ortelius', it is part of his well known Atlas Theatri Orbis Terrarum first issued on May 20 1570 in Flanders, the base maps for Bohemia are surely from 15th-16th centrury, its one of the most precious map books in possession of Library of Congress in Washington, DC. The point is that it is a Latin map, not German or Czech local map. So it is a good support of my claim above. -- IEEE 21:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So go and rename Volgograd to Volga Castle it is the same ...ism like this. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 08:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, this is not about renaming, its about proper English Wikipedia entry name like Cologne/Köln, Vienna/Wien, Prague/Praha. In local German, Czech, Danish.. wikis you also do not use English names, so in English we use our proper ortographical names if there is one available, like in this case, and not forced ones, like in your case, do you have any support for your name in history?, no. Carlsbad was and is well known spa city and there is a ton of documents to support this. Even the city homepage agrees with me. -- IEEE 18:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then please try to tell me, why the official English name of Karlovarský mezinárodní filmový festival is "Karlovy Vary International Film Festival", not "Carlsbad International Film Festival". Thanks in advance and assuming good faith. – Yarp Talk 11:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You clearly do not know what this vote is about. Explain why US cities are named Carlsbad and not KV? The name KV is <B>local name</B> that alone <B>breaks WP:NCGN</B> because it is forced over proper English name. It also <B>breaks good faith</B> using such names in English Wikipedia. Same way as if we wanted to use English names in German or Spanish wikies. It hurts the city itselft, it hurts the people in connection with that city, it hurts your festival. English people can't say KV properly, then why on earth we should push them to use this local name over original English name? Is't like use Londres (Spanish) for London (English).  Use it in your local German Wiki not in English Wikipedia. Good examples again: Cologne/Köln, Vienna/Wien, Munich/München -- IEEE 21:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you mean Czech wiki -- the German form would be 'Karlsbad'. Antman -- chat 07:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Exactly; see NY Times and BBC etc usages below! Johnbod 19:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Support as nom. -- Matthead discuß!     O       23:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So we should use Ofen for Budapest I suppose? Johnbod 01:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you even read what I have written ? Budapest and Carldsbad are both names used in English. Do not use some local German, local Czech, local Hungarian names if established English name exists. English->Latin->Local in that order. Example: we use Copenhagen (English) not København (Danish). English speaker can't even pronounce 'Karlovy Vary' right. That name is useless for English speakers and this is English wikipedia if I am not mistaken.--IEEE 04:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Map from 15th century ? No way. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 11:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Map Regni Bohemiae Descriptio was made by famous Flemish cartographer Abraham Ortelius', it is part of his well known Atlas Theatri Orbis Terrarum first issued on May 20 1570 in Flanders, the base maps for Bohemia are surely from 15th-16th centrury, its one of the most precious map books in possession of Library of Congress in Washington, DC. The point is that it is a Latin map, not German or Czech local map. So it is a good support of my claim above. -- IEEE 21:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So go and rename Volgograd to Volga Castle it is the same ...ism like this. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 08:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, this is not about renaming, its about proper English Wikipedia entry name like Cologne/Köln, Vienna/Wien, Prague/Praha. In local German, Czech, Danish.. wikis you also do not use English names, so in English we use our proper ortographical names if there is one available, like in this case, and not forced ones, like in your case, do you have any support for your name in history?, no. Carlsbad was and is well known spa city and there is a ton of documents to support this. Even the city homepage agrees with me. -- IEEE 18:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then please try to tell me, why the official English name of Karlovarský mezinárodní filmový festival is "Karlovy Vary International Film Festival", not "Carlsbad International Film Festival". Thanks in advance and assuming good faith. – Yarp Talk 11:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You clearly do not know what this vote is about. Explain why US cities are named Carlsbad and not KV? The name KV is <B>local name</B> that alone <B>breaks WP:NCGN</B> because it is forced over proper English name. It also <B>breaks good faith</B> using such names in English Wikipedia. Same way as if we wanted to use English names in German or Spanish wikies. It hurts the city itselft, it hurts the people in connection with that city, it hurts your festival. English people can't say KV properly, then why on earth we should push them to use this local name over original English name? Is't like use Londres (Spanish) for London (English).  Use it in your local German Wiki not in English Wikipedia. Good examples again: Cologne/Köln, Vienna/Wien, Munich/München -- IEEE 21:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you mean Czech wiki -- the German form would be 'Karlsbad'. Antman -- chat 07:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Exactly; see NY Times and BBC etc usages below! Johnbod 19:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: # Oppose, see below. Duja► 13:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: Actions against consensus are very unwikipedian . ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 12:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What have I done against consensus? That is not against consensus, that would be bringing up the vote again with evidence seeking a new consensus. An action against consensus would be if I unilaterally moved this article back to Carlsbad, as someone did to the original Carlsbad article. Antman -- chat 17:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antman 

message: Huh, this one is good . He will push his POV and german equivalents all over the wikipedia. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 14:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And this belongs here... how? Personal attacks aren't helping you. Antman -- chat 17:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, personal attack ? Huh. Your actions on wikipedia are not personal you must be ready that they will be reviewed by other editors. Report me once or twice more if you wish. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 17:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't need to; you have already proved that you are both not above personal attacks, and that you are not willing to work with other editors; you only wish to push your own biased view of history, and if someone disagrees, you instantly begin to attack them; that is not an attitude that is welcome on Wikipedia. Antman -- chat 22:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, may I ask since when is 'Prague' a German equivalent? 'Prague' is an English name; the German form is 'Prag'. I would push for 'Tantsic' instead of 'Danzig', as it is an older English equivalent, but I doubt that it would get any support. I support Stettin because the current form 'Scseczecezeczecsin' I can't, and most Americans can't pronounce. Lastly, the German equivalent of this city name is 'Karlsbad', I am pushing for 'Carlsbad', for which several areas in the United States are named. Antman -- chat 23:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EN nomenclature 

message: 27x Karlovy Vary (or alternative spelling) and 3x Karlsbad (Turkish, Deutsh, Nederland) which we can count with. There is no doubt about number of use. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 22:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one here is asking to change it to Karlsbad, we are asking for Carlsbad, which is the English name. The Interwiki is irrelevant, what Hungarians or Serbs call Karlovy Vary does not matter on the English wikipedia. Antman -- chat 23:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interwiki was always and still is important part of discussions. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 07:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  interwiki 

message: When I was in Karlovy Vary, they told me that Peter the Great had studied carpentry there... does anyone know about any official source supporting this claim? 189.141.62.172 02:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter the great 

message: I opposed changing the name of this entry to Carlsbad/Karlsbad.
I was backpacking in the Czech Republic earlier this year and every map or guidebook in english (i.e. when Prague = Prague and not Praha) had this town listed as Karlovy Vary. 
Local tour guides and info. desks had this referred to this town as 'Karlovy Vary', and to be honest I never knew this town was a.k.a Carlsbad/Karlsbad until I stumbled upon this wiki entry and the debate within.
The 'official website of the czech republic' has 3 search results for 'Carlsbad', none for 'Karlsbad' and 63 for Karlovy Vary.
I'm not sure how this is done for cities, but for football (soccer) teams this local language vs. english (german?) issue is solved by using whatever the english website of the team (city) uses. (i.e. the case of Czvena Zvezda vs. Red Star Belgrade).
In this case the official english website of this town uses the term 'Karlovy Vary' in the browser title and with the largest text as a page title, with both 'Karlsbad' and 'Carlsbad' in smaller text.
I'm happy for the wiki entries for both Karlsbad and Carlsbad to redirect to this main page (of Karlovy Vary) - which is as it is now.
I don't really understand why this is an issue as it is makes sense as it is now.
Gresszilla (talk) 14:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlsbad/Karlsbad vs. Karlovy Vary 

message: As far as I know, the KV International Airport was built in the 30's , while the russian noveaux-riches are from the 90's  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.100.71.97 (talk) 11:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Russians building their own airport? 

message: Yesterday i returned from Czech after being visiting this city. We bought a souvenir cup with the city's name in different languages on it including Carlsbad. 
In my opinion history should be IN the article, not reflecting in the name of the article.
The name should reflect the current place in the current language. I guess it is Carlsbad but i am Dutch and we don't have a distinct Dutch name, we use the German Karlsbad.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PauloCalipari (talk • contribs) 23:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong disagree on this idea -- it's absurd. Are we going to start calling Bratislava "Pressburg" again, too? How about Gdansk... let's make that "Danzig" again, since you can't have a g and a d next to each other in English! Even better! Let's take Los Angeles and rename it to what it is: "The Angels". Markvs88 (talk) 12:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Uhm, no. Carlsbad is not the German name, it's the traditional English name (even if historically derived from German, but who cares, Prague is derived from French and ultimately Latin). The German name is, of course, Karlsbad. Fortunately, the article already states that correctly. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support for Carlsbad 

message: Hi Bobak.  As per: Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#General_guidelines alternate names are placed in the brackets with the proper lang template like: .  This is how the German version of Karlovy Vary is in the lead and the English one should not be different.  The guidelines also state that 10% of English sources must use Carlsbad.  The guideline states that you can go ahead and create a Etymology section and of course people can crow about how the city was named after Charles IV (, , ) (14 May 1316 – 29 November 1378), born Wenceslaus (Václav) in the history. (The dude didn't even use the name "Charles").
Additionally Italics was misused in your version anyhow. --Hutcher (talk) 04:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It got you to fix it, didn't it?  Behold, the magic of collaborative editing! --Bobak (talk) 06:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: One of these things is not like the other

message: For what it's worth, I had never heard of Karlovy Vary until I was vacationing in the beautiful town of Carlsbad, California, last year. I happened to see a plaque along the main street there commemorating the beach city's sister city relationship with some Czech town. It took a lot of reading and research before I figured out that strangely-named (to my Anglo ears) town is the place that I used to hear of as Carlsbad or Karlsbad. My curiosity aroused, I did some some wiki-browsing and discovered that a lot of articles contained links to plain old Karlsbad and failed to distinguish between the Karlovy Vary version of that name and a small town in Germany with the same name. I've tried to remedy this situation whenever I've had a few minutes to kill and could figure out which town an article was talking about. I hope I've guessed correctly while making these corrections. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 04:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting that you call Karlsbad an English name, while it is a German name. As the now Czech city had the German name for quite a while in history, their should at least be a redirect pointing there, you name it, Karlsbad, Bohemia or the like. Karlsbad (Bohemia) exists. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reflections on a visit to Carlsbad, California

message: http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Carlsbad%2C+Karlsbad%2C+Karlovy+Vary&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=0&smoothing=3
Ngrams shows Carlsbad to be the most common name, so I will move it. If it is reverted, please discuss below.
OttomanJackson (talk) 21:30, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlsbad 

message: *Oppose. This page needs to be restored immediately: it was moved without discussion, against consensus, and using a search engine result as a rationale! Best, Markvs88 (talk) 23:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: These plums (usually Quetsch) are candied in hot syrup, then halved and stuffed into dried damsons
This needs more explanation. A damson is a small plum. You can't fit half a plum inside a damson, even if you remove the stones of both first. Maproom (talk) 13:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done on 25 July 2017 --Frans Fowler (talk) 16:32, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plums and damsons 

message: As it stands, the text reads "After World War II, in accordance with the Potsdam Agreement, the vast majority of the people of Carlsbad were forcibly expelled from the city because of their German ethnicity." 
As to the Potsdam Agreement, the text makes plain that "(the parties) agree that any transfers that take place should be effected in an orderly and humane manner." As we should all know, in the event many thousands died on the march. It is therefore simply not correct to state that the expulsion took place "in accordance with" the Agreement. Would anyone object to amending the text to read "pursuant to"? In my view, even this would be a whitewash. Theeurocrat (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Revisionist" language 

message: Is there an explanation for the sudden drop in population from 2013 to 2014 after having been stable for 13 years?
Something significant must have happened.
--23.119.204.117 (talk) 21:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no source for the figures. I have added a citation request. Without a source cited we cannot tell where the figures come from or how likely the figures are to be reliable or even genuine.SovalValtos (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop. drop? 

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