Talk:History of Poland (1569–1795)

message: How about merging the articles Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and The Noble Republic, since they are related to essentially the same?
Besides, I strongly suspect that the term "Noble Republic" is a catchy phrase from a history article, rather than a term really used in these times. Even if not, IMO the proper name of the merged article would be Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, according to the "official" name of the state. Mikkalai 20:55, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't really mind moving Nobles' Democracy to Nobles' Commonwealth (but not to Nobles' Republic). However both names are equally valid, I think. At least in Poland both Rzeczpospolita szlachecka and demokracja szlachecka are used. --Kpalion 17:57, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, ATM there are only 2 articles on the subject: Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is short and deals with the government, and the current Noble's Democracy attempts to cover the period in detail. If they were to be merged, there is a broader issue to be dealt with (concerning similar dual artciles all over history of Poland), see Wikipedia:WikiProject_History_of_Poland/General#History_of_Poland
--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:55, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Talk 

message: See here for details. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:00, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am glad you agree. Now I am off to fix bad redirects, and the 'noble's democracy' title I'd like to reserve for the article about PLC government and politics - a better descriptive title then for history, I believe. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:39, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change 

message: I don't think you can present the Cossack rebellion as a Ukrainian statehood matter: "The emergency began with an uprising of Ukrainian Cossacks that culminated in a reassertion of an independent Ukraine centered in Kyiv, in spite of Warsaw's efforts to subdue it by force."  This is an innaccurate statement at best.  While present day Ukraine may be based or inspired by the ideals of the Cossacks of the 17th century, those Cossacks were not attempting to create an independent Ukraine, that idea had not even emerged yet.  Ukraine also has roots in the Kievan Rus, but Kievan Rus never tried to create an independent Ukraine.  Just as the Commonwealths armies fighting the Cossacks were not trying to create a homogenous Polish state, the political realties were so much different at that time.  --Milicz 04:30, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I have yet to edit this article extensively to catch such problems, feel free to fix it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:40, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I gave it a shot, see if the changes I made are accurate.--Milicz 03:03, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cossacks/Ukraine 

message: Could the author reformulate this sentence to give it some meaning. I have no idea what is its supposed meaning:
:On occasion, these campaigns brought Poland to a nearly complete conquest of Russia and the Baltic coast during the Time of Troubles and False Dimitris, had it not been for the military burden imposed by the ongoing rivalry on multiple borders: the Ottoman Empire, the Swedes and the Russians.
TIA, --Irpen 07:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sloppy phrase

message: I have a hope that You will agree with me. And I belive that name of each State must be translated for English from the language which the State uses or used. For example: Lietuva - Lithuania, Biełaruś or Беларусь - Belarus, Polska - Poland, Україна - Ukraine, Россия - Russia and etc.
Lithuania is translation from Lithuanian.
Although the Grand Principality of Litva was multi-national State the State language was Old Belarusian: "А писаръ земъский маеть по-руску литерами и словы рускими вси листы, выписы и позвы писати, а не иншимъ езыкомъ и словы." The Statute of GPL 1588. Part 4, article 1.
This article of the Statute of GPL 1588 in contemporary Belarusian: А пісар земскі мае па-руску літарамі і словамі ўсе лісты, выпісы і позвы пісаць, а ня іншым языком і словамі. Only the word "язык" has another equivalent in the modern Belarusian and nowadays used with another meaning.
Not each Ruthenian is Old Belarusian. But the Statutes of GPL and most of State documents in GPL is exactly in Old Belarusian. And it is not Lithuanian for sure:-) And the name of GPL as the Grand Principality of Lithuania is an evident mistake.
The State's name is Grand Principality of Litva.
Wnen Soviet Russia signed agreement with Independent Lithuania in 1920 Lithuanians demanded "to return" their Metrics (archives) of GPL. Famous historic Mitrafan Dounar-Zapolski offered to give Lithuanians ALL DOCUMENTS in Lithuanian. But such documents did not exist. Most of documents were in Old Belarusian, the rest of them were in Polish, Latin and German.
It wasn't exactly Belarusian State. But this nation had dominated. It was rather union of nations.
I think you are patriots and you love your country. You made great job and made nice group. But here you are nationalising history.
So I would appreciate very much if you USE CORRECT NAMES: the Grand Prinsipality of Litva, Polish-Litvian Commonwealth.
Thank you!
P.S. Lithuania is only small half of Litva. And I am sorry but Vilnia is a Lithuanian's town only since 10 October 1939 as a present of Stalin.
Till 1939 Vilnia was a Belarusian cultural center, and the Lithuanians were an ethnical minority there.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.33.4.65 (talk) 00:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The real name of the State is Litva! And the official language in the Grand Principality of Litva was Old Belarusian! PLEASE, WRITE CORRECT NAMES IN THE ARTICLE AND USE THEM !!! 

message: I've downgraded this article from b to c class. It has large chunks of unreferenced text, and style is poor - lots of single-sentence paragraphs. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:18, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Not b class

message: See Talk:Poland in the Early Modern era#Merge. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  04:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge