Talk:Noelia

message: Judgeking:
You need to read facts and real research before you keep reverting versions of Noelia's article, is very obvius that you don know the Artist, you dont know the facts, it seem to be that is hate motivated. Am inviting you to do real reserach about facts, instead of choosing doing the worst desitions for the Article.  Am inviting you to do real research on Noelia, you just keep reverting SOLID and valuable information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latinmusicguru (talk • contribs) 03:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, some one with no other business but HATE, keeps editing this Infromation with TOTAL lack of REAL FACTS and information about Noelia, some lunatic , sour ex employee or memeber of the evil family of Noelia'a mother keeps doing this.
Why is JUDGEKING reverting REAL information and vandalizing the page, noelia was Born in 1979. why is this person so abusive with this page??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latinmusicguru (talk • contribs) 20:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. This Freak Thief12 = Ladron 12 keep editing the profile of Noelia, a guy with a remarkable negative obssesion with Noelia.
By the way ..this Thief12, is no other than one of  Noelia's ex boyfriend.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.100.5 (talk) 01:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Address the reasons I posted above and abstain from derogatory comments. Your edits clearly don't comply with Wikipedia standards. Thief12 01:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok Thief, we all understand that you are and obsess looser, or former dump ex boyfriend of Noelia, tell me the relevance of puting names like: Grullon, Reynoso, or Yamil on her file, ? The answer is you are a sick homo, who hates Noelia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.100.5 (talk) 07:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: Stop reverting to previous unsourced edits of the article. You've been warned several times about doing so with no reason and you've replied only with insults and nonsensical accusations. Next time, you'll be reported to an admin and your IP will be blocked. Thief12 14:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Physco, I work for the Label EMI TELEVISA , Noelia is our Artist and you keep, changing REAL FACTS. Deja de molestar la Biografia de Noelia, CUAL ES TU ENFERMEDAD, nosotros sabemos mas que tu, solo eres un MAL INTENCIONADO, que seguramente ODIA A NOELIA. Si vas  a hacer algo investiga, y a quien le importa con quien esta relacionada sentimentalmente, la mente de Islita que solo les importanlos chismes baratos. Deja a Noelia en Paz.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.100.5 (talk) 04:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is common in the articles of artists to mention the relations the artist has had in the past. There is nothing false stated in the article. All of the relationships listed were made public. You, on the other hand, delete valuable information about Noelia's beginning in the music career for the sake of just mentioning and blatantly promoting his latest endeavors. Wikipedia is not a promotional site. Thief12 22:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: BTW, if you indeed work for EMI Televisa, which I seriously doubt, you should consider doing things in a more professional way instead of jumping to calling names and behaving like a berated little child. Thief12 22:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Petition

message: It might be good if a mod gets involved here. You two are just weird. And why'd you delete the sex tape comment? 98.195.179.37 04:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And another thing: STOP deleting the comments on the talk page. 98.195.179.37 04:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You've added verifiable references related to the subject, like I requested originally. For biographies you must back up what you say, which you finally did. I have no problem with the content as long as it is solidly referenced. It is just rumor mongering if you just assert stuff. And I did check with an admin - as long as you back it up, it is fine to be in the article. --NrDg 18:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Need a reference from a reliable source that shows this is notable. A link to the tape would be a copyright violation unless it could be proven that the photographer released it under a valid unrestricted license - not likely. You need to show that this event matters, not whether or not it happened. --NrDg 22:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

text: You assert that fact. As an unbacked up assertion it will be removed from the article due to WP:BLP policy on derogatory bio information. Back it up with a WP:RS reliable sourced reference that shows importance. --NrDg 19:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sex tape

message: After carefully analyzing the progression and development of this page, I have concluded NOELIA's PAGE has been a flagrant project to undermine the exploitation of a scandal to vindicate and exonerate a senseless issue regarding poor copywriting. (Clandestino77 14:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you wish to restore the version of the article that had well referenced information about the scandal, then do so. I don't care as long as the references back up the facts. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noelia&oldid=169729843 from 00:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who Am I talking to here? Seems to me NrDg is Noelia (Clandestino77 15:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am having a hard time reconciling your comment with what I said. --NrDg 15:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there is something more substantial, like multiple articles written by reliable sources about this artist, then I will be nominating this for deletion. (Clandestino77 20:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do what you wish. I think this article meets the wikipedia notability requirements though, see WP:N, which is sufficient to keep it. If you are not familiar with the process, see WP:AFD for details on how to start an article for deletion discussion. I noticed that your request for a speedy delete was declined. --NrDg 20:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  INDIRECT FALSE ADVERTISING 

message: I am trying to expand articles from Latin America in regards to Electronic and Dance Music. This is one of the few artists I found. Does she have Remixes from well-known established producers not from Latin America? English? England? (Media Cop 18:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dance Pop Artist from Latin America? 

message: Notability guidelines give guidance on whether a topic is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia as a separate article, but do not specifically regulate the content of articles, which is governed by other guidelines such as those on using reliable sources and on handling trivia. The particular topics and facts within an article are not each required to meet the standards of the notability guidelines. (Clandestino77 20:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there is something more substantial, like multiple articles written by reliable sources about this artist, then I will be nominating this for deletion. (Clandestino77 20:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't argue it here, I don't particularly care one way or the other. Start an AFD discussion and argue your points there. I'm just saying I think the chances for deletion are dubious.--NrDg 21:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Notability guidelines do not directly limit article content 

message: Personal Life/Noelia has been romatically involved to show-biz personalities throughout her career. She had a four-year relationship with former MDO member, who's presently working as the road manager of her mother. In 2004, she also had a brief relationship with rapper Yamil, with whom he worked on the album Melao. Presently, 2007, she's engaged to the well-known mexican producer & personality, Jorge Reynoso, who is also managing her international career..... Glaring unconcealed section; blatant in regards to a false scandal. Should be deleted. (Jessica Platt 21:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then delete it if it is not backed up with a reference. Just make sure you specify in the edit summary why you deleted it or you might get reverted. Or better just tag with  and give people a chance to find a reference.--NrDg 21:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: tagging - - > ATTRIBUTIONS NEEDED < - - -  (Jessica Platt 21:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

text: That link doesn't prove Noelia is married. Thief12 (talk) 03:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: They've both denied it afterwards, saying that they planned it but didn't go through with it. There needs to be reliable sources stating that they were, in fact, married and that they accept it. Here's a link where they deny it. Also, feel free to post a copy or transcript of the lawsuit, which is a more valid source than a gossip magazine. Thief12 (talk) 18:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Life

message: Noelia is married to Jorge Reynoso. Here is the link. http://www.laprensahn.com/ediciones/2007/06/29/jorge_reynoso_difundio_el_video_de_noelia—Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 10:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That link doesn't prove Noelia is married. Thief12 (talk) 03:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: They've both denied it afterwards, saying that they planned it but didn't go through with it. There needs to be reliable sources stating that they were, in fact, married and that they accept it. Here's a link where they deny it. Also, feel free to post a copy or transcript of the lawsuit, which is a more valid source than a gossip magazine. Thief12 (talk) 18:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Noelia Married?

message: I am concerned about who is writing this article, seems to me, almost everybody in this Article Discussion or User Talk, is the same person:
*Thief12
*NrDg
*Mediacop
*Jessica Platt
*Vincent Gallop
Character misinterpretation and distorted indentities.
(Clandestino77 21:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you strongly believe that, you can request an adminstrator with check user privs to confirm it, see WP:Requests for checkuser for info on how to do that. Then we can all be blocked for sock puppetry.  --NrDg 22:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Talk Under Suspicion 

message: I hadn't checked this article in awhile, but it's hilarious to see some "troll" editing out random information - sourced information - from the article just for the sake of it. Thief12 (talk) 00:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Static IP blocked for a month. Will likely resume on the 10th of Feb when the block expires. Seems to be pushing a POV and is removing the cite that conflicts with it. --NrDg 00:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a problem if some of the sourced information he deleted is reinstated in the article? I mean, he's deleting even basic information such as Noelia's father's name, and such. Thief12 (talk) 16:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I got most of it. If the references are good, put the info back. Make sure the info was not removed because the references did not meet the WP:V and WP:RS standards for inclusion. Bio references, particularly about family should also meet WP:BLP standards which are a bit higher. --NrDg 17:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: This comment is a direct reply to 's recent edits to Noelia's article.
# First, you deleted the label information alleging she has been released from EMI Televisa. Yet, you don't provide a reliable source for this. However, even if it was true, articles are known for listing all the labels for which the artist has worked, so the label information can stay.
# You changed the amount of albums she has sold of her first albums from 500,000 to 50,000 for an unknown reason. She won a gold album for that, and gold albums = 500,000 albums sold.
# You changed "eponymous debut album" again, for no reason to "first (1999) album" which is practically the same. Look up what eponymous means, in case you don't know.
# You change "toured" to "promotional tour" for no reason. In terms of Wikipedia, it's the same thing. It's a tour nonetheless.
# You took "internationl" out of international career, but Reynoso is indeed managing her international career. She has been performing constantly in Italy and US, and I guess that makes her career international.
# You again bring the issue about them getting married in Las Vegas and you provide yet another article where they, like the article said, denied it. There is an act, but not a marriage act. And, again, they've denied it.
Again, refrain from unnecessary and unreliable edits. Thief12 (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said in my change and your talk page, your edits contain broken tags and broken HTML.  Learn how to edit (and spell) and try again. Judgeking (talk) 18:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits to Noelia article

message: * About the label Like I said before, the fact that she was released from her label is irrelevant. Wikipedia articles are known to list the labels for which the artist has worked through their history. Besides, you're not providing any valid source of her release from the label.
* About the certification We have to check where she was certified with a gold album, because the amount of units sold varies from country to country. I left the reference to the gold album, but left out the amount of units sold until further investigation.
* About the tours We don't have any source that tells us whether the tours were official tours or just promotional. When we have that information, it might be possible to distinguish one from the other. Either way, I don't see the point in specifying such a simple point.
* About her alleged marriage The fact that a newspaper mentions Reynoso as her "husband" isn't enough. Newspapers can make mistakes, and moreover when there is such a rumored situation like these where there have been dissenting allegations from both sides. If you can find a valid source where Noelia or Reynoso admits it, we'll change it. As for now, it hasn't been proven.
All in all, it's not enough with you "knowing" it to be truth. You must provide valid sources and references for your edits. Thanks again. Thief12 (talk) 20:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Again

message: The fact that this person filed a lawsuit, that in itself is not worthy of inclusion. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that the lawsuit was filed against his stepfather, in the midst of the hoopla started after her pornographic video was released, might be. It is all referenced with a valid and reliable source. Thief12 (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

text: You clearly don't seem to understand that there are various reference that mention the lawsuit. I'll contact an administrator to settle this dispute. Thanks for your contributions anyway. Thief12 (talk) 00:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: For the record, here's another article that mentions Noelia's lawsuit against Mamery ()
In that article you just posted you can find below sources that contradicts Reynoso's claims that the lawsuit exists. Reynoso said that Ricardo Montaner was called to testify in the lawsuit. Ricardo Montaner contradicts this. Montaner said he has never been called for any lawsuit which contradicts Reynoso claims. You can find the sources below.
There is no lawsuit on file in Mexico, that is just something Reynoso said (after he was sued in Puerto Rico). Months have gone by and Topy or/and his lawyers haven't received any lawsuit. There is no proof of any lawsuit anywhere. You can't find the lawsuit online. A tv show in mexico called Ventaneando went to the authorities to investigate and were told that no lawsuit was ever filed. Reynoso said that Montaner was going to testify. Montaner dismiss that, contradicting Reynoso. Montaner told the media that he was never giving anything about being a witness in any lawsuit and that he supports Topy because he knows Topy is telling the truth. Ricardo Montaner also said he has had problems with Noelia in the past because she falsely accussed someone in his family of a wrong doing too. Noelia a few years ago accussed Ricardo Montaner's oldest son, Alejandro Montaner, of rape. There are rumors Montaner was referring to that. Along with accusing Alejandro Montaner of rape, Noelia has also acussed Guillermo Santiso, president of her ex record label) of rape. That should be mention on the article. The souces are below.
You can find online the actual lawsuit against Noelia and Reynoso for difamation why is that not mention in the article? Also, recently there has been another really big scandal with Noelia and Reynoso when his lawyer quit the case pending against them. You can find online (and above) the petion from the lawyer to withdraw from the case and Noelia's and Reynoso's reaction to it. This has been all over the media and should be mention. The sources are below.
Sources:
http://www.peopleenespanol.com/pespanol/articles/0,22490,1670744,00.html
http://www.peopleenespanol.com/pespanol/articles/0,22490,1675318,00.html
http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Escenario&n=104805
http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Escenario&n=104891
http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Escenario&n=104933
http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Locales&n=105554
http://buscador.elnuevodia.com/resultados.aspx
http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Escenario&n=101490
http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Locales&n=108662
http://www.primerahora.com/XStatic/primerahora/docs/espanol/demandatopy.pdf
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D83LhjPZRE4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TyYmJ4KqVyM&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2YQT9l5F5x8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aCU0uVQKi38&feature=related
http://www.bollywoodsargam.com/video_todayfeaturedvideo.php?blockbustermovieclip=D83LhjPZRE4---latest-Noelia_La_Reina_featured_hollywood_blockbuster_video.html
http://www.webdelatele.com/noticias/noelia-y-jorge-reynoso-sin-abogado.html
http://www.primerahora.com/XStatic/primerahora/docs/espanol/copy_of_renuncia-abogadonoelia.pdf
Note I was the mediator of a mediation cabal case about this dispute; the involved parties were able to reach an agreement. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 00:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lawsuit 

message: We had discussed previously the amount of units for which Noelia received her gold album because they vary from country to country. However, the RIAA website says that her gold album is a standard one, which means it was for 500,000 units sold. Also, in her MySpace page, it says that her gold album was granted in the US for half a million units sold. Thief12 (talk) 23:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not basing my edit on Noelia's page or on what any other user here tells me. I'm basing it on the RIAA page where it distinguishes gold album certifications as Standard, Latin, and others, where Standard = 500,000 units sold. If you search the database for Noelia, you'll see that her album was awarded a Standard Gold Album. Now, if you search Thalia, you'll see her gold albums are classified as Latin, like you say. Look it up. Thief12 (talk) 01:41, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Winning a gold album has nothing to do with what chart you peak on. It has to do with album sales in specific regions. If you want to compare, check out Maná, who recently won a gold album for 500,000 units sold on the United States. If you check out RIAA, it says the exact same thing about their album as it says about Noelia's: Standard Gold Album; and if you check on RIAA what does a Standard Gold Album, it says it equals 500,000 units sold, whereas the category of Latin Gold Album varies. It's all there, and you can check it out. Thief12 (talk) 15:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gold Album

message: Noelia is a common Spanish name. As such, there are a few other famous Noelias out there, as well as one of the main songs by Nino Bravo, which may have an article. Noelia, as it usually happens with common names, should be a disambiguation page. --Purplefire (talk) 22:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Noelia

message: Dear Thief12, have notice that we have a persona dedicated 24/7 to try to mess up with Noelia;s profile, laverdadinfo , this individual its no other than a guy (Gay) who runs Noelia's mother  fan club , am proposing from now on to start the cleaning of Yolandita Monge's page, because she claims Gold and Platinum Albums with no solid or RIAA certification, lets strat been equal her, so lets go there my freind Thief and work on Yolandita Monge page. I have notice that we been allowing this person to include all kind of negative articles about Noelia, that its not even the spirit of Wikipedia, and  I am shock that you allow this to happen in this page, have you notice that no one places  all tha negative stuff about Noelia's mother in her page, have you notice that? sha was involved in a Adultery case  in Puerto Rico etc, etc. Lets clena her page too, and include some of the negative stuff that the people who work for her are son interested in including here only.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.234.75 (talk) 05:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your preoccupation. Remember that Wikipedia is a cooperative effort which allows articles to be benefited from multiple sources. Now, to emphasize that the user you refer to is allegedly gay is completely irrelevant and doesn't really add anything to your point. If you think the article of Yolandita Monge is under vandalism, then report it, and contribute to it providing valid sources for your points. In the same line, no unsourced information has been allowed to remain in Noelia's article, and the fact that you address me as "allowing it to happen" is borderline offensive. I'm not the guardian of this page, even though I frequently contribute to it the same way I do with countless other articles and topics. If you think that negative and/or irrelevant information has been put in the article, then discuss it here or report it. Your invitation to post negative stuff on Yolandita Monge's page is equally offensive. My attempt is not to demean, insult, or give the upper-hand to any person, but to provide useful and truthful information in any article I might feel interested. Thief12 (talk) 02:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Noelia and Yolandita articles

message: Thief, you are right I didn't explain it in the editing section because is long, I will explain it here. I took out those last things because then it opens a whole new window of facts that has to be put also. For example, if you put the grandmother statement then you have to put Noelia's sisters and brother statements as well. 
Also, if you put those early statements of Yamil you also have to put his later statements and his contradictions. Also, the fact that he before all this controversy he wasn't famous or successfull at all. He released an album a few year ago with no success at all (and he even has gone on record saying it) after his failed first cd years went by without he releasing another album. Years later he comesback with a new cd just at the same time the porn video was release. Also, he first stated he didn't know Reynoso and hadn't talked to Noelia. But after further questioning he admitted he indeed talked frequently to both. Later, he also accuses Noelia's former manager, Elizabeth Sanchez, with the involvement of releasing the porn video. He was sued for defamation and his case is still pending. Also the fact that Reynoso's ex wife who he also manage her career, Pilar Montenegro, also accused Jorge Reynoso of selling pornographic photos of her. (Laverdadinfo (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the statement of the grandmother because she has said on interviews that Mamery abused of Noelia, which - true or not - is relevant to the further accusations. If you think the sisters/brother statements are relevant in light of the accusations, then they can be added too. As for Yamil, whether he was successful or not is irrelevant to the case. We're not commenting on his fame or celebrity status, but on the allegations he said regarding the porn tape. If he contradicted himself later, that can be put as well, if it's indeed relevant to the core of the section. I do think that his version of how the tape reached Fernandez/Mamery is very relevant. Thief12 (talk) 18:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Third parties claims

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thread_title: File:Noelia-wiki.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

message: Is it me, or does this page need heavy editing to follow...err...every single one of the guidelines? I'm talking a good copy editing, verifying sources, etc. A nice cleanup CerpinTaxt (talk) 20:04, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs heavy editing 

message: Noelia was born in 1976 and they keep change in it. As you can see in the talk page it was previously discuss years ago and agreed on by an administrator that she in fact was born in 1976 and a reliable source was put in as a reference.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirror89 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What administrators? Agreed where? It seems you are reverting the whole article to some old version only to change her birth date, without caring about breaking things (like introducing wrong reference titles, etc). Birth dates of many young female artists are traditionally a controversial issue, but your reference just does not look credible. It is an interview where an interviewee drops a note "Y lo peligroso de todo esto es que Noelia tiene 30 años" (and I'm afraid that Noelia is 30) - she doesn't even sound certain for herself. Materialscientist (talk) 00:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Give me a minute and stay on the talk page please - I'll fix your edits when I verify them. Materialscientist (talk) 04:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Ugh .. I actually don't know her and didn't realize it was her mother speaking. I've reverted your edit because it broke some other things, but I've changed her birth year to "c. 1977". I don't see a better solution at the moment, because all I can rely on is her mother words, but she only said "30 in 2007", she didn't say August 31, 1976, and given the controversy, we can't combine her words with someone else saying "August 31". Materialscientist (talk) 04:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

text: My problem is that it is unclear what do you want to change - you just reverted the whole article breaking some references. Could you briefly outline your points here? Unreferenced info can be deleted. The problem with the rest is that it is sort of referenced, but different references support different views, and most of those references are not really reliable ("gossip news" or hearsay sites). Materialscientist (talk) 05:25, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noelia was born 1976  

message: Noelia's birthdate is 1977. Female singers sometimes tend to lie about their age and take out a few years off. This is what Noelia and her camp have been trying to do for a few years now. Here are links that show Noelia's age being 36 and being born on 1977.
http://www.tvyespectaculos.com/2007/09/06/noelia-festejo-sus-30-anos-en-los-angeles/
http://www.tvnotas.com.mx/famosos/582-Noelia-Lorenzo%20/
http://www.metroflog.com/cher_21/20090728/1
The most reliable source in this case is this link where her own mother says she is 30 years old back in 2007 which will make Noelia 36 years old now and born on 1977. Obviously that will be the most reliable source and would settle this. Here is the link.
http://tv.univision.com/don-francisco-presenta/notas/article/2007-08-15/una-respuesta-para-noelia?page=2  Lulusi9 (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noelia's birthdate 1977 

message: This is a reliable reference a Prestige Publication Like People Magazine that is well know across the board for having accurate Dates of Birth of Celebrities and Artist. Noelia was born in 1979.
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.27.31 (talk) 07:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noelia's Birthday 1979 

message: An administrator is needed urgently to fix the birthdate on this biography.  I understand that Noelia and her camp want to take out a few years of her age but this is a biography not  a promotional page. Her birth year is 1976 and I have given sources, including her mother. The person who is writing above is saying untrue statements and making no sense. Right now the page is saying the wrong birth date This should be fix immediately or at least put both until its resolved. But only putting the incorrect birthdate which Noelia and her management wants to be is not correct.  Lulusi9 (talk) 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrator needed 

message: Administrator already have reverse several attempts by user  "Lulusi9" with a Personal Interest in vandalizing this page and trying to make a case with unreliable sources, Noelia's Mother its been proof that she is not a reliable source for any information related to her daughter due to the Family feud, is well known that when a feud like this happens in the Artistic world, both sides tent to Dirt, and false statements, Noelia's mother definitely is not the one to consult any Information about Noelia, its been proven that she hates her daughter  and is some sense of envy because of the decadence of the Mother, 
This is a reliable reference a Prestige Publication Like People Magazine that is well know across the board for having accurate Dates of Birth of Celebrities and Artist. Noelia was born in 1979. Here is reliable reference by People magazine plus the passport Scan.
[8] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.27.31 (talk) 07:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrators already make their Decision, 1979 is the Correct Date of Birth 

message: First off, a couple of minor, housekeeping points.  Could you both, please, sign your posts?  You do it by typing ~~~~ at the end of what you want to say.  Also, the page is easer for people to read if you don't start a new section each time you edit; i have taken the liberty of editing your section headings to make them subsections.  Instead of a new heading, it might be best if you start each new paragraph by indenting it one level from the one before; this means we know who says what.
Second, getting the birth date right isn't an emergency so much as something we want to do correctly.  Since there is disagreement about this, i would suggest you each lay out your sources, the best you can get (and by best i mean in Wikipedia terms; have you read RS to see what we're looking for?) and what they say.  Briefly.  If it helps, People magazine is currently not generally considered reliable for contentious information, which this clearly is.  The sort of sources we need are independently published and verifiable ones (despite Huon's comment above, i suspect a scan of the passport is not reliable); if we don't have those, we might be better off with no birth date claimed, or a mention of its uncertainty. Cheers, LindsayHello 03:20, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Would an admin please edit the article to show "Noelia Lorenzo Monge (born in San Juan, Puerto Rico), mostly known as Noelia, is a Puerto Rican pop singer..." as the opening, and "Born Puerto Rico" in the infobox?  Clearly, this is a disputed issue, not currently resolvable, so neither date currently argued about should be present currently.  I admit this is a less than optimal solution, but....  Cheers, LindsayHello 17:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the disputed birth date from the article. When you have consensus about what date should actually be included, please raise a request. If the correct date is not known then it would be best to mention this is the article, or to say that different dates are reported by different reliable sources. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit requested 

message: Noelia being a fairly common name, I think we should consider renaming the article "Noelia Lorenzo Monge", and adding a "Noelia" disambig page. Article already states "commonly known as Noelia".
There is too much detail about every step of her career. Seems promotional. Centrepull (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name and career detail 

message: There is still ~ how many years later? ~ edit warring about the year of Noelia's birth.  Until we all just quit this back and forth, i've changed the category to :Category:1970s births, rather than the specific year.  Ideally, the edit wars will stop and we can be more specific and accurate. Happy days, LindsayHello 15:48, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate ~ category 

message: Is a lot of Information missing about Noelia on her Entrepreneurial career George Rey (talk) 17:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noelia recent edits