Talk:The Notorious B.I.G./Archive 1

message: Is it true that, "in March of 2001 The Source Magazine crowned Biggie as the greatest MC of all time?" If so, that should probably be put back in the article. Tim Ivorson 08:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Source Magazine's greatest MC

message: Why is there no mention of Biggie's verse on the remix of Mary J. Blige's "Real Love"?  That song was huge when it came out, and it was the first time many people heard of The Notorious B.I.G. (note that the "Real Love" remix came out before "Juicy").
SweetP112 22:00, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Real Love"

message: Why don't you add in that the LAPD has named Suge Knight as the prime suspect in the Wallace murder investigation.  According to one officer in the investigation, not only has he always been the #1 suspect, the only reason he hasn't been charged is because the LAPD "never had enough information to bring a case against him."  There are plenty of newspaper articles on the topic.  Also, I see little/no mention of the court case Wallace's family brought against the LAPD in here or the accusations of a police cover-up in the investigation (were they confirmed by the recent judgment?).  [BTW:  His family won the judgment and the LAPD is assigning new detectives to the rapper Lil' Cease denied Wallace's involvement with the Crips, although no other proof has been offered by the family, manager, or other associates.  And #3: the Wallace family offered the time-stamped audio recordings as proof that Wallace was not in Las Vegas the night of the shooting.  Additionally rapper Lil' Cease and Wallace's manager claimed to have been with him in the NYC studio the night of the shooting.  This indicates that Wallace was not in Las Vegas, but does not universally discredit the theory that he had a hand in Tupac's shooting (#3).  OTOH, to the reporter's discredit is the fact that he refused to name his gang informants.  Sweeping assertions like 'universally discredited' don't apply in this instance.SqlPac 02:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  L.A.P.D. 

message: I read somewhere that Wallace was sued by some unknown rapper (from the Midwest or something) who was using the stage name "Biggie Smalls" before Wallace.  This was supposed to have led to his name change to "Notorious B.I.G."  Sorry I don't have the source handy, but might make an interesting sentence or two if you can source it. SqlPac 03:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biggie Smalls 

message: do we have the source that says West makes the lyrics of his tracks in his head? 64.7.89.54 04:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Memorized raps

message: Is this true? What about Diddy constantly talking in the background. Is that being featured? 202.69.183.7 06:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Method Man the only guy on the Album Ready to Die?

message: Life After Death is not the best-selling rap album of all time. It is certified at ten million copies, which translates to five million copies of a two disc-set. OutKast's Speakerboxxx/The Love Below is certified at eleven million copies (six million of a two-disc set). MC Hammer's Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em, however, is a one-disc set certified at over ten million copies. --Infamous30 14:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't say that Life After Death is the best-seling hip-hop album of all time. As far as I can tell, that agrees with what you've posted here, and what I see at the RIAA site. -- Mikeblas 02:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best-selling rap album of all time 

message: http://www.rapdict.org/Notorious_B.I.G. Contains some info on this. Many other sites having revisions of older Wiki has that information. <a href="http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hs=Q4N&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Notorious+books+instead+of+guns&btnG=Search">Link Is Here</a>. In fact, it was from older revision of Wiki I have seen this.
I have also seen this from older Notorious BIG's Official Site. New site refuses to show any information regarding him. However, that search link provided has few proof including following links:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Notorious-Justice-20566.shtml
http://rap-talk.net/viewtopic.php?p=55168&sid=d593068a43784fc9eac3d4e1a4e259b3
http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/10/the_biggie_duet.html
... and... tada. MTV Source.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1470495/20030312/story.jhtml
Thank you. Restoring my paragraph now. --Dooly00000 22:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: B.I.G. Acronym Comment

message: The trivia section says "His first record deal was in 1993 with Uptown Records." According to allmusic, he has no releases on that label; his first single came out on a label named "Life". Can anyone provide a cite for his deal with Uptown Records? Was there a deal that produced no releases? -- Mikeblas 14:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this trivia item, as I can't verify it and have found a contradictory reference. -- Mikeblas 10:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  first deal? 

message: I already tried editing the page, but I can't agree with it how it says he's best known as The Notorious B.I.G. which I find totally false.  No one says "Notorious B.I.G." everyone says "Biggie" or "Biggie Smalls."
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Agreed. It should say something like "While his official artist name was The Notorious B.I.G. he is commonly referred to simply as Biggie among rap fans".
well actually rappers and big rap fans reffer to him as B.I.G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.105.56.246 (talk • contribs) 
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The phrase "Known as" normally refers to a professional name or the name which is most commonly known to the general public, outside of any specific group (rap fans, Brooklyn residents, etc). Amazon.com and badboyonline.com both show Christopher's albums released using the name "Notorious B.I.G." so I would argue that the listing is correct for encyclopedic purposes. - Locker 23:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  He's best known as Biggie Smalls. 

message: Not bagging him or anything, but at only 24 years of age, how did he get so big? On his songs he says things like "Remember when I used to eat sardines for dinner?" but sounds like he would have eaten a lot in his youth? Fortunately it wasn't a hindrance to his career but just wondering people's thoughts on this? Rogerthat Talk 13:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: His weight?

message: The citing of a blog entry as proof that he was the best MC of all time is ridiculous. Thedoorhinge 02:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been reverted to once again cite a blog entry as proof he is best of all time. I'm not going to re-revert, but I would like to know why a blog entry is acceptible as a cite in this case. If no one is willing to even discuss it, but  someone is none the less going to revert my carefully explained change, you are ignoring the 'rules' as it were. Thedoorhinge 17:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The closest thing I can find to a "Top MCs" list that isn't simply one person's opinion on a blog or message board is MTVs list, on which BIG is #3: http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2006/emcees/index9.jhtml Thedoorhinge 17:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Best Of All Time

message: What's going on with the template box on the bottom? It's not a template, but it's got edit links like it was meant to be a template. -- Mikeblas 02:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-template template? 

message: I would've thought that it's not possible for an artist to be active after they're dead. While IP owners might remix songs or find previously unreleased material that can be sampled and made into a new song, we don't say that the artist is active because of that. Many (most?) defunct acts do this anyway; Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs might remix old tapes to get a new version of an album and release it in their  audiophile series, for example. 
This issue seemed to have been settled in the past, but another editor has again changed the page to say that Biggie is "present"ly active. I've reverted this edit for the reasons given above. -- Mikeblas 20:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Active date 

message: He was at Uptown/MCA. Oh, and, Heavy D was never on Bad Boy , to my knowledge, as this article claims. He was, however, on Uptown. Also, "Who Shot Ya" isn't on Ready to Die.
71.233.248.82 21:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heavy D signed with Bad Boy, but hasn't released anything on the label. source | Mr. Darcy talk 22:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: And the other point about Puffy and Biggie appears to be correct. From allmusic: "Thanks to the publicity, Biggie caught the attention of Uptown Records producer Sean "Puffy" Combs, who signed him immediately. With his new daughter in need of immediate financial support, Biggie kept dealing drugs for a short time until Combs found out and laid down the law. Not long after Biggie's signing, Combs split from Uptown to form his own label, Bad Boy, and took Biggie with him."  | Mr. Darcy talk 22:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puffy Signed Biggie Before He Started Bad Boy 

message: This whole section is speculative/OR, except for two facts (Biggie's claim that he didn't intend to record for much longer, and Jay-Z's relaunch of Brooklyn Mint). I suggest that we delete this section, moving those two facts to the Posthumous Career section. I'd like to get cites for both of those facts as well. Any objections? | Mr. Darcy talk 15:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for it. This article is very poorly cited, and anything that helps improves it is great news, as far as I'm concerned. -- Mikeblas 18:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do. Also, I just removed a sentence about Combs appearing on Super Cat's Don Dada album; the allmusic.com entry  doesn't include either Combs or B.I.G. on the credits page. If they appeared at all, it was uncredited, and we'd need a reliable third-party source to include it. I did put a cite next to the part about B.I.G. appearing on the Heavy D album Blue Funk. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I rewrote and cited the Brooklyn Mint section, but I'm having no luck on that 2003 XXL Magazine interview. If someone can provide the details, I'd be happy to put the citation in - at the least, I'd need the article's title, author, issue date, and maybe page #s if possible. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "After death - if he were alive" section

message: I Think It Was Actully The Fugges The Score I Belive it sold 18 million —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.66.42.98  (talk • contribs) 
It was The 7 Day theory by 2pac which sold 28 million Pacaveli 00:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best Selling hip-hop Album ever 

message: Now I am a huge biggie fan and i think that we could expand his article more if we put in his criminal history. he had various drug charges and i think that we should put something more of his history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.107.62.162 (talk • contribs) 
:If you have citations, please feel free to do so. -- Mikeblas 19:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criminal History 

message: The South Park episode is a parody of the Candy Man movies. The Bloody Mary and Beetlejuice references are only partially related. Can somebody with an account edit this please? 82.92.150.193 17:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Park