Talk:Socialism and LGBT rights

message: this may be relevant to add : https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/bernstein/works/1895/wilde/homosexual.htm
it's a 1895 text by Eduard Berstein (spd thinker who later became famous for his "revisionist" critique of Marx) that's more "modern" in its arguments than Bebel's 1898 speech. It may be interesting to mention its existence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB08:863A:3F00:38A7:A8AF:8711:E4C (talk) 17:45, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berstein's speech

message: OK I'm finally beginning to get my head around this rather enormous subject, and have been rewriting the article significantly (though nothing has actually been lost). I hope others find it neutral and better structured. I think the regional grouping of content is less useful than a historical and ideological grouping, so i've begun moving stuff from the country sections to more general sections above. The country stuff probably has a place at the end, but reduced, especially as it is often covered by the relevant "gay rights in..." article. ntennis 03:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul of article 

message: The section on New Zealand doesn't cite sources and it doens't look very neutral either, I have a copy of the SAL's pamphlet "Homosexual Law Reform: A Union issue" which I'll find and if the information matches that in the article (which I think it does, been a while since I read it) I will add that as a source, and a souce for the statement about the SWO can probably be found online (I'll try Google in a minute) the rest of it I'm not so sure of, "some 'workerist' leftists" is no better than "some people" the article should state what group or individuals this refers too. If there are no refrences a week from now I'll remove the unsourced statements, everyone cool with that? Lossenelin 05:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it! I contributed a lot to this article but sort of ground to halt at the bottom. I think the "1985 - present" section is a bit random, and the whole article is probably too long... I don't think a seperate sections for each country can really be justified, but I didn't want to lose some of the information there. Anyway, the changes you suggest would be an improvement! :) ntennis 08:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zealand section

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message: The homosexuality is mostly connected to socialism (in a social conservative) or liberals and leftists most likely to support gay rights despite historically communist countries persecuted gays (nowadays, they don't)?--Dark paladin x 22:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: China nowadays DOES allow homosexuality, it was recognized around 2001 and was removed from mental disorder list in 1999. Cuba is currently looking into more of gay rights and Russia nowadays is nowhere near leftist. I said they "historically persecuted them," meaning the persecuted them in the past. --Dark paladin x (talk) 23:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  some can we come to the conclusion... 

message: AFAIK, Brandt never belonged to the WhK and was opposed to Hirschfeld's point of view about the third sex from the beginning. He only collaborated with Hirschfeld on the subject of eliminating §175. --Ecelan (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brandt 

message: I don't yet have specifics (at least not well-sourced specifics), but wasn't Guevara and the Cuban government in general pretty homophobic?  The work camps (Military Units to Aid Production) held lots of gays, and Guevara was himself fairly well-known for his contempt of such "unmanly" behavior.  Can't promise I'll be able to do a good job on this anytime soon, but it needs entry in this article.  If Cuba's treatment of LGBT individuals doesn't fall under this category, almost nothing does.  -- Zen Swashbuckler -- (talk) 20:48, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in there somewhere, and still is in the Spanish translation of this article . People have been deleting material to hide what their favorite ideology did. Maybe you can recover it looking into the history of the article. --Ecelan (talk) 19:26, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Used free translator and some spare time to lift the Spanish version and put it in here.  Could use some more details, but it's at least a good start on pointing out that not everything connecting these two topics is roses and cinnamon buns.  -- Zen Swashbuckler -- (talk) 22:03, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Che Guevara, UMAP - Revolutionary Cuba 

message: I changed Libertarian socialism for anarchism as the information on that section only dealt with the relationship of anarchism with LGBT rights. The title Libertarian socialism will have been more appropiate if that section would have included positions and activism on LGBT rights also from libertarian socialist positions such as autonomism, council communism or the like.--Eduen (talk) 05:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anarchism 

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thread_title:  removing POV tag with no active discussion per [[Template:POV]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Socialism and LGBT rights's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Patrizia Gentile 2010. pg 65":
From History of the socialist movement in the United States: Gary Kinsman and Patrizia Gentile, The Canadian War on Queers: National Security as Sexual Regulation (Vancouver: UBC Press, 2010), p. 65.
From McCarthyism: Gary Kinsman and Patrizia Gentile, The Canadian War on Queers: National Security as Sexual Regulation. (Vancouver: UBC Press, 2010.), pg 65
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Socialism and LGBT rights]] 

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message: I see that page Socialism_and_LGBT rights covers a bit more then just LGBT rights. As LGBT+ realities in relation to socialism(s) go beyond just specific LGBT rights, I would suggest that the page has more general title like Socialism,_homosexuality_and_LGBT_rights... Ideally page would be even better named: Relations_of_socialism,_homosexuality_and_LGBT_rights (as there is no single context of socialism but obviously many), but I am aware that it would be maybe too wordy. What others think of this? (Similar situation with Communism and LGBT rights) so I left a comment there also -- Zblace (talk) 19:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  homosexuality beyond LGBT rights