Talk:Moro people

message: Yes, this page should be moved over there. "Moro people" should be redirected to "Bangsamoro".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by System787 (talk • contribs) 10:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move to [[Islam in the Philippines]] 

message: Isn't Islam in the Philippines a better title for this page?  (It is in keeping with Religion in the Philippines and Hinduism in the Philippines :Category:Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines.) --Idont Havaname 21:04, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We have Chinese filipinos, Filipino Americans, etc. I think the original author would like to focus on ethnicity, cultural and demographics,Filipino muslim should stay as it is.  But Islam in the Philippines is also a very good and needed article but the focus is different. Muslims feel they are different ethnically. The Islam in the Philippines should focus on the Islamic religion, how it spreads, history, etc..--Jondel 00:55, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move to [[Islam in the Philippines]]? 

message: The title Government incentive to migrate, land disputes, public schools as propagators of Christianity seems a bit verbose.  Would a heading of Bureau of Non-Christian Tribes and the Moro be more accurate?L Hamm 05:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section Title 

message: "Many of the inhabitants of the pre-Hispanic Philippines are said to be Muslims. Rajah Sulayman, a chieftain of Manila at the time of the Spanish conquest, and Lapu-Lapu, the well-known chieftain of Mactan Island, are a few examples."
While Sulayman was probably a Muslim, Lapu-lapu wasn't. He was a pagan/animist.
>> And where did you read this "fact"? The Tausug people consider him to have been a Muslim, whereas the Christian Cebuano population have no folklore or accounts to lend support otherwise, other than he was tattooed (despite being forbidden, some Muslim groups do have tattoos, including the Berber of North Africa, so the argument that he wasn't Muslim because of having tattoos is unfounded) and had a wife called Bulakna. The Philippine government also agree with this fact officially, as can be read on the historical plaque attached to the Lapu Lapu statue in Manila (Rizal Park), donated by the South Korean government.
http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2004/04/27/OPED200404278218.html
http://www.seasite.niu.edu/Tagalog/Modules/Modules/MuslimMindanao/historical_timeline_of_the_royal.htm
http://www.articlearchives.com/humanities-social-science/history/693329-1.html
http://www.royalsulu.com/about.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.221.175 (talk) 00:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A factual error 

message: on see also section, i think i should remove bumiputra and malay, thats not relevent to the article.--60.52.31.118 18:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove irrelavent 

message: The total population of the Philippines nowadays was 95 million and the number of Moros was 5 million only, How could it become 25% of the total population??!?-- Twentius 22:35, 20 February 2008 (GMT+08:00)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.239.23 (talk) 14:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  changed the 25% of Philippine population to 5.25% 

message: On the "Etymology" section of the article, an unverified claim is made about the Moro people seperating from "mainstream" Phillipine Society. While there are religious and political differences, does it really mean that they are seperate? In America, most people do not consider members of other religious groups as "seperating from mainstream society". Is it really politically correct to lable them as "seperate" from the mainstream, as this article does?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianc26 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperated from mainstream society? 

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http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-chess-art-thread?page=9
19:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moro chess set 

message: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2479&dat=20051105&id=ElQ1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=aCUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2531,1234389
http://www.kas.de/wf/doc/kas_12802-544-2-30.pdf
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/228123343_The_Center-Periphery_Notion_of_Nation-Building__Franchised_Violence_and_the_Bangsamoro_Question_in_the_Philippines
http://issuu.com/ryacat/docs/pidsdrn06-4
http://mussol22.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/studying-the-muslim-community-post-911/
http://www.stimson.org/images/uploads/research-pdfs/IslamPolitics-Chapter_2_Rasul.pdf
http://www.kas.de/wf/doc/kas_12802-544-2-30.pdf
http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/5/0/1/1/7/pages501174/p501174-30.php
No offense, but Moros are not FIlipinos. They're MUslim people who claims that Mindanao is their land, so no!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.208.252.17 (talk) 11:08, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filipino views of Moros 

message: http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_08Oct2012_Historical%20&%20Human%20Wrong%20of%20Phil%20Colonialism.htm
http://moroinmyblood.blogspot.com/2010/08/sulu-china-connection.html?m=1
http://www.yuchengcomuseum.org/press-room/Beyond%20the%20Currents%20-%20The%20Power%20of%20Sulu.pdf
In an attack in the 1600s on jolo the spanish burned the chinese quarter
http://sovereignsulu.webs.com/Short%20History-Sulu%20Sultanate.pdf
Chinese wali songo
http://www.suludarulislam.org/p/sulu-history.html?m=1
Chinese treaties with sulu
http://alqalam.addu.edu.ph/sulu-treaties/
http://books.google.com/books?id=QKgraWbb7yoC&pg=PA1303&lpg=PA1303&dq=chinese+influence+sulu+sultanate&source=bl&ots=3WtXGb34T0&sig=KhuQHSFLYibceQm0Iyq8H6SX3nA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2ebUUPnPGcPx0wGZ9oHADg&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=chinese%20influence%20sulu%20sultanate&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Iq7_jDoi5PEC&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=chinese+influence+moro+sultanates&source=bl&ots=oqpmgFTHbd&sig=bg070IW2Zvk23pEpuNwDT6PEaWY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6eDUUPKOI8WL0QGV_YCgBg&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=chinese%20influence%20moro%20sultanates&f=false
http://bangsamoro.blog.com/2007/04/16/the-moro-sultanates/
http://www.morobloggers.com/category/pre-sultanate-period/
http://www.rumahbicarasulu.com/sejarah.htm
http://www.royalpanji.net/the_chinese_community_in__sulu_sultanate.html
http://www.czipm.org/sulu-holandija-eng.html
The sulu zone
http://kyoto-seas.org/pdf/35/2/350201.pdf
http://historicalsulu.blogspot.com/2011/05/maharajah-upo-sultan-of-solot.html?m=1
Rajmaan (talk) 22:53, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese moro relations 

message: Samuel Tan is a Moro historian of Chinese descent
http://books.google.com/books?id=uChDbHq_MxoC&pg=PA237#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=csrZOk6yLosC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=vqz8AgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=pw5FWmdNmj8C&pg=PA8#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=pcEeAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=A8RxAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAw
http://books.google.com/books?id=I5VfAAAACAAJ&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBA
http://books.google.com/books?id=lnwfAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBg
http://books.google.com/books?id=cn5wAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CF0Q6AEwBw
http://books.google.com/books?id=8wIfAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CGEQ6AEwCA
http://books.google.com/books?id=f6lwAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CGUQ6AEwCQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=pmlxAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&dq=inauthor:%22Samuel+K.+Tan%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3JDU8avBYHn2AWF6oCYBA&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBQ
Moro historian Cesar Adib Majul
http://books.google.com/books?id=jBCt3pZLAlMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Cesar+Adib+Majul%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=b51DU9j9K8j32QWq8IDIDQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=1GVxAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22César+Adib+Majul%22&dq=inauthor:%22César+Adib+Majul%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Cp1DU7HfEquG3AWk4oCIBA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=6rpwAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Cesar+Adib+Majul%22&dq=inauthor:%22Cesar+Adib+Majul%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=b51DU9j9K8j32QWq8IDIDQ&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAw
http://books.google.com/books?id=WBJMngEACAAJ&dq=inauthor:%22Cesar+Adib+Majul%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=b51DU9j9K8j32QWq8IDIDQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=AKVfAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Cesar+Adib+Majul%22&dq=inauthor:%22Cesar+Adib+Majul%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=b51DU9j9K8j32QWq8IDIDQ&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBw
http://books.google.com/books?id=6Tn-GwAACAAJ&dq=inauthor:%22Cesar+Adib+Majul%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=b51DU9j9K8j32QWq8IDIDQ&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCA
http://books.google.com/books?id=ROeLGwAACAAJ&dq=inauthor:%22Cesar+Adib+Majul%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=b51DU9j9K8j32QWq8IDIDQ&ved=0CFwQ6AEwCQ
THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE FILIPINO PEOPLE"' CESAR ADIB MAJUL
http://www.asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/ASJ-04-02-1966/majul-islam-history-filipino-people.pdf
Islam and Philippine Society The Writings of Cesar Adib Majul
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/ASJ-46-2010/ASJ46-1-2-2010-Islam%20in%20Philippine%20Society%20Majul.pdf
http://www.upd.edu.ph/~updinfo/jan13/articles/New_Asian_Studies.pdf
Asian Studies 46:1-2 (2010) | Islam and Philippine Society: The ...
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/index.php/archive/159-asian-studies-46-1-2-2010
SOCIAL BACKGROUND OF REVOLUTION CESAR ADIB MAJUL
http://www.asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-09-01-1971/majul-social-background-revolution.pdf
THE RELEVANCE OF MABINI'S SOCIAL IDEAS TO OUR TIMES*
http://www.asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/ASJ-11-01-1973/majul-relevance%20mabini%20social%20ideas%20to%20our%20times.pdf
PRINCIPALES, /LUSTRA DOS, INTELLECTUALS AND THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF A FILIPINO NATIONAL COMMUNITY Cesar Adib Majul
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-15-1977/majul-ilustrados-principales-filipino-nation.pdf
THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE FILIPINO PEOPLE CESAR ADIB MAJUL
http://www.asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-04-02-1966/majul-islam-history-filipino-people.pdf
SOME SOCIAL AND CULTURAL PROBLEMS OF THE MUSLIMS IN THE PHILIPPPINES by Cesar Adib Majul
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-14-1-1976/majul-social-cultural-problems-muslims.pdf
AN ANALYSIS OF THE GENEALOGY OF SULU, CESAR ADIB MAJUL
http://www.asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-17-1979/majul-genealogy-sulu.pdf
AN HISTORICAL BACKGROUND ON THE COMING AND SPREAD OF ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY IN SOUTHEAST ASIA by Cesar Adib Majul
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/ASJ-14-2-1976/majul-history-islam-christianity-southeast-asia.pdf
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-35-1999/majul.pdf
Asian Studies 46:1-2 (2010) | Islam and Philippine Society: The ...
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/index.php/archive/159-asian-studies-46-1-2-2010
syllabi compilation - Mindanao State University, Iligan Institute of ...
http://www.msuiit.edu.ph/academics/colleges/cass/downloads/history/history_syllabi.pdf
RIZAL 150
http://www.univie.ac.at/ksa/apsis/aufi/rizal/RediscoveringRIZAL.pdf
http://books.google.com/books?id=S5q7qxi5LBgC&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=AN+HISTORICAL+BACKGROUND+ON+THE+COMING+AND+SPREAD+OF+ISLAM+AND+CHRISTIANITY+IN+SOUTHEAST+ASIA+by+Cesar+Adib+Majul&source=bl&ots=tn7FCTPe8w&sig=QUnYqDPQPQW2NyYM0o5Llzd7NOk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LUlDU8-_COnP2wXP7oGYDg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=AN%20HISTORICAL%20BACKGROUND%20ON%20THE%20COMING%20AND%20SPREAD%20OF%20ISLAM%20AND%20CHRISTIANITY%20IN%20SOUTHEAST%20ASIA%20by%20Cesar%20Adib%20Majul&f=false
Memories, Visions, and Scholarship, and Other Essays
http://books.google.com/books?id=e_5uAAAAMAAJ&q=It+was+not+until+1977+that+a+new+reformulation+of+Saleeby's+framework+was+introduced+by+Dr.+Cesar+A.+Majul+in+Muslims+in+the+Philippines+which+elaborated+on+Saleeby's+framework+and+added+two+conceptual+points.+One+is+the+organization+of+...&dq=It+was+not+until+1977+that+a+new+reformulation+of+Saleeby's+framework+was+introduced+by+Dr.+Cesar+A.+Majul+in+Muslims+in+the+Philippines+which+elaborated+on+Saleeby's+framework+and+added+two+conceptual+points.+One+is+the+organization+of+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=92Y3U6uDF6u_sQSziYGABg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=f6lwAAAAMAAJ&q=It+was+not+until+1977+that+a+new+reformulation+of+Saleeby's+framework+was+introduced+by+Dr.+Cesar+A.+Majul+in+Muslims+in+the+Philippines+which+elaborated+on+Saleeby's+framework+and+added+two+conceptual+points.+One+is+the+organization+of+...&dq=It+was+not+until+1977+that+a+new+reformulation+of+Saleeby's+framework+was+introduced+by+Dr.+Cesar+A.+Majul+in+Muslims+in+the+Philippines+which+elaborated+on+Saleeby's+framework+and+added+two+conceptual+points.+One+is+the+organization+of+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=A2c3U5LwKuHNsQT404CgBw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=qyo-Hti0-KAC&pg=PA69#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=qyo-Hti0-KAC&pg=PA70#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 06:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prominent Moro people. 

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http://www.arscives.com/historysteel/images/philippino-moro-warriors.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/73056974_s320x240.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/moro_warrior.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/juromentada.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/philippineamericanwar/1900%20Sulu%20Warriors.JPG
http://www.freewebs.com/philippineamericanwar/Moros%20with%20Sultan%20brother%20on%20board%20US%20warship.JPG
http://www.freewebs.com/philippineamericanwar/Moro%20Weapons%20PC%201913.jpg
http://www.seraphicpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/moro.jpg
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/uploads/1/Moros1.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/moro20weapons20pc201913.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/bud_bagsak450_1.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines_ethnic.html
Sultan Jamal ul-Kiram II
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202448.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/44627.jpg
Wives of the Sulu Sultan
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202406.jpg
http://www.pinterest.com/nitoyi/philippines-my-native-land/
http://i45.tinypic.com/k9r9g.jpg
Non Sulu related Moro photos
http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027/photography_and_power_02/dw02_essay04.html
dead Jurumentado
http://www.postcardman.net/s44633.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/44634.jpg
American soldier killed by Moros
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202419.jpg
Princess Radja Putri in Cottabato
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202471.jpg
Weaving Moro girl
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202427.jpg
Moro houses
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202435.jpg
Moros executed by Americans
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202453.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202452.jpg
Moro Dato Mominton, who killed 7 Americans
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202454.jpg
Moro constabulary
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202418.jpg
Dato Piang and Secretary Taft
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202405.jpg
Datu Piang
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft0199n64c&chunk.id=d0e1317
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/data/13030/4c/ft0199n64c/figures/ft0199n64c_00006.jpg
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/data/13030/4c/ft0199n64c/figures/ft0199n64c_00005.jpg
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/data/13030/4c/ft0199n64c/figures/ft0199n64c_00007.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2628/1873/1600/971876/datu_piang_pics_(2).jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IpvcWKVmrLE/Ups-UVaTsoI/AAAAAAAABos/eYtPIcG8ojQ/s640/dato+piang.jpg
Dato Piang and Secretary Taft
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202405.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines_ethnic.html
Rajmaan (talk) 04:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Muslim by definition is an individual practicing the religion of ISLAM. The Muslim people in the Philippines are not indigenous. There are several races in the Philippines practicing the religion of Islam and they are Muslims. But not all of them are indigenous. Take the Chinese Muslims in Tawi-Tawi, the Indian Muslim in Zamboanga, or the caucasian Muslim in CDO; all three belong to different races and ethnicity.
Why is this article concluding that Muslims in the Philippines are specific indigenous people? Here is an article that talks about Ethnic religion.
Before the editor deletes my post, I suggest that some study be made on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.18.127 (talk • contribs) 
:What is your point? People can have pan-religious identities as well. Most of the Moros are indigenous like the Tausug, Maranao, Samau, Maguindanaons and they call themselves by their ethnicity. In fact its the Spanish and Filipinos who first started lumping them together and calling them all Moros because they were Muslim. The Moros then adopted that term to identify themselves and unite during the American colonial period. Plus Filipino also does not refer to any specific ethnicity. A Filipino can be a mestizo with Spanish blood, a Tagalog, or any other Catholic Hispanicized ethnicity.Rajmaan (talk) 08:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The title "Muslim is not an Ethnicity" is my point. You are diverting from the topic and discussing something altogether different to avoid the topic. ::But this is not the place for discussions such as this. This is not a forum. My apologies to the administrator.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.18.127 (talk) 07:57, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Muslim is not an Ethnicity

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