Talk:Fear Factory

message: Why is wikipedia the first place I've heard of this genre? FF have never been "Groove" metal, theyre Industrial, and their early stuff is death metal, Burton's vocals changed from Soul of a new Machine, to Obselete. Can we kill this weird genre please? Jay794 19:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. Ever since Dimebag's death it seems to get thrown about a lot. Rehevkor 20:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I've removed it and any references. It's existence as a legit genre is suspect at best, I had not even heard of the genre at all until Dimebag's death. Rehevkor 17:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you two keep removing this genre. It covers at least four of their albums and the kind of thrashy stuff. I mean, if we were to remove it, then I would strongly suggest we add thrash metal. ThundermasterThundermaster's Talk 10:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No thundermaster, Fear Factory aren't "groove metal" groove metal isn't even a real genre. Fear Factory are Industrial, like Static-X or Rammstein, only their ealy stuff like SOANM or Concrete are Death Metal, because of Burtons vocals, we have already discussed it so I  will go ahead and remove it. Jay794 (talk) 12:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I thought you agreed not to get involved in disputed genres, Thundermaster? But you instead claim my edits are undiscussed (they're right above this) and add a condescending tag to my talk page? Grow up. For your sake. Rehevkor (talk) 14:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jay794, groove metal is a real genre, it's a sub-genre of thrash. But if you two, don't want groove metal there, fine, we won't put it there. However, can we at least cover the thrashy stuff they have done, as something has to cover their work in this area, and you claim groove metal doesn't exsist, which it does, so we are left with gap in the genre section. ThundermasterThundermaster's Talk 09:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: At the time of the discussion it was unsourced, no one objected and it was removed. It's a higher priority to remove unsourced information (even temporarily) rather than find sources for it (What I didn't like was your uncivil attitude towards the issue.) Rehevkor (talk) 21:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Groove Metal 

message: What, exactly, is 'cyber-fast production'? -CamTarn
:There is no such thing as cyber-fast production and that theory is a figment of the writer's imagination.
:The "Cyber" in "Cyber-Metal" comes from the futuristic themes and industrial elements present in their music, although cyber-metal is not really recognised as a genre; industrial metal is the accepted norm (factually speaking only; cyber-metal may actually be a good way to describe FF's mid-period sound). Someone needs to rewrite a lot of that section. If no one else does, I might later.
:Inflammator 14:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is 'cyber-fast production'? 

message: In line with other music pages, I'm planning on moving the discography to another page, if that's OK. Same format and content, just a page of its own linked by a "See also". I'll do it when I get a chance over the next few days. This saves repetition and possible edit errors on information spread over several pages - many bands have individual member pages containing the discography repeated. IainP (talk) 16:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: Every reference I've ever read has cited Halloween 1990 as the exact day Fear Factory formed. In fact when the band was recording Digimortal, they celebrated their 10th anniversary on Halloween night with an in-studio party. It seems more likely that Ulceration is a band Ray and Dino were in before Fear Factory, and that FF proper began when Burt and Andrew joined. (James Hetfield was in a band called Phantom Lord in 1980, but you can't really say that Metallica formed in 1980 and were at first known as Phantom Lord.) 
Anyone have any other sources on this? Wangoed 13:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ulceration

message: Please restore the link my filtered computer truncates. Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience, Randroide 16:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please restore what my filtered computer deletes 

message: Er, yeah, so how is FF Death metal...
Listen to Concrete and Soul of a New Machine. They started as a death metal band but changed into groove metal on Demanufacture. Markendust
Um, no thats just Heavy Metal, Death Metal is Cannibal Corpse.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.63.150 (talk) 01:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Metal? 

message: what the hell happened to the archetype article? its a fear factory album and there for should have an article
It does have an article. --70.92.64.125 07:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: archetype

message: I am removing Thrash Metal from the list of genres because Fear Factory only has elements of thrash metal in their sound and they are not a bona fide thrash band in any sense. The thrash elements that their music contains are fully covered by the groove metal tag; hence there is no need for the potentially misleading thrash tag as well. Inflammator 09:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Thrash metal

message: Why is there no mention of the Mischief Invasion soundtrack disc?
:Because it's either not a very important soundtrack, or no one has added it yet. Compilation albums always have to have a good backing to be on wikipedia. Undead Warrior (talk) 06:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mischief Invasion?

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message: So let's give them 6 years which equals 2190 days (or so). This means that they would be performing shows almost every night for 6 years straight? I don't think that is a very accurate line and it has no references.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Violent.j.11 (talk • contribs) 05:24, August 29, 2007 (UTC) 
:They have toured quite a bit, but that figure does seem a little too much. I've removed it pending any sort of verification. Inflammator 12:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean that they toured during the 9 years prior to 2001? That's more than likely, but also rather obvious and not worth mentioning specifically as almost every working band tours while they are active and releasing new material. Inflammator 12:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over 2000 shows since 2001? 

message: Don't you think the band should be classed as nu metal. Compare them to bandslike Spineshank. They are under that style. Futhermore, numetal is alternative metal and that is listed. 86.155.162.127 (talk) 14:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fear Factory are in no way "nu metal". Any claims as such are ridiculous. Rehevkor (talk) 15:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And why? That is basically calling alternative metal ridiculous. And anyway, do you have anything to prove your point? No. So tell me, why is it ridiculous? Thundermaster367 (talk) 09:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because I've listened to their music? The only connection Fear Factory has with nu metal was that Obsolete was released during the hight of the nu metal era. Obsolete is quite clearly an industrial metal album. It's not my job to prove they're not nu metal as I'm not trying to add any unsourced information to the article, it's your job to prove they are. Can you prove they're nu metal? From what I can see adding disputed genres to articles is a habit you have, perhaps you should rethink your priorities? Rehevkor (talk) 13:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true actually. The album did come at the time of the nu metal breakthrough but I can find elements of nu metal in there. Many I'm finding elements of alt. metal. OK, I'll stop with the disputed genre debates. I Am The Master Of All Thunder (talk) 09:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of nu metal elements in Fear Factory's music.  For example, there's a turntable in Edgecrusher and Bell raps on Digimortal.  I know "nu metal" is considered a derogatory term, but sometimes things are what they are.  They may not have those nu metal elements now, but Obselete and Digimortal are definitely laced with it.  The KZA (talk) 07:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu metal 

message: I think we should add thrash metal as they clearly have some quite thrashy songs and since the apparently explained removal of groove metal nothing covers it. ThundermasterThundermaster's Talk 08:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't consider it a primary genre, there may be elements, but not enough to warrant adding it to the genre category, not by a long shot. Also, see here as to why it was removed the first time around. Rehevkor (talk) 22:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fundamentally, we need a reliable citation.  --Yamla (talk) 23:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash metal 

message: Dino was the fat guitarist. Read it in the revision history. Now removed. Master of Metal (Have a chat!) 13:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dino's page 

message: This article has almost no sources until Obsolete. And the later history is very poor sourced. Every single sentence should be sourced. Have a look for example on Slayer or Red Hot Chili Peppers to have a picture about how a sourced article looks like. Everybody is welcome to add sources:
Use this for a source once:
 
And then use that source again with this (many times):

Good luck! --  LYKANTROP  ✉  17:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: In the future section always appears that Fear Factory's album which will probably be out in 2009 will be called tentatively "Nong 7". Are there any references about that, maybe on their Myspace-Page or anywhere else? Because i cannot find any references about it.
:Nong 7 is only a fake. 213.39.202.2 (talk) 19:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno if it's a fake myself, but I wasn't able to find any credible information whatsoever. One entry on this article claimed the title was announced on the Myspace when I could find no such announcement. Personally the name alone sounds ridiculous enough to be fake. Rehevkor ✉ 15:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nong 7 

message: There is no way the picture posted is from 2006. Dino was not in the band in 2006, and the Fear Factory logo backdrop is from the Digimortal album, which was released in 2001.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.93.200 (talk) 04:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems the photo was uploaded the Flickr in 2006 so whoever uploaded it to here assumed that was the date. Rehevkor ✉ 15:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because the backdrop was Digimortal does not mean that the picture was not taken in 2006. Undead Warrior (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that Dino had left the band in 2002 pretty much puts a line through both 2005 and 2006. The image name on the Flickr page is not necessarily a date, it could mean anything.  Rehevkor ✉ 13:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The image page on flickr says the picture was taken in 2005. This is not the date that the editor/uploader put in the top left, but rather the information found at the bottom left. Undead Warrior (talk) 02:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well something went wrong somewhere. Because the photo couldn't possibly have been taken in 2005. For simplicity sake I'm going to remove the caption entirely. It's unnecessary. Rehevkor ✉ 15:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What ever happens, we need to take a look at the editors on this article. I have been seeing edits that are being used to mask an edit war because one editor is using a different IP to edit each time. Undead Warrior (talk) 01:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live Pic in 2006 

message: 2002, that was when Dino left the band. No way it was taken in 2006. The backdrop has everything to do with it. So no it was not taken in 2006. Trust me..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.93.200 (talk) 04:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Flickr page is wrong. Dino was long gone by 2005. Rehevkor ✉ 19:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2002 

message: Fear factory is not death metal, nor have they ever been.  I have almost all of their albums, none of them have any death metal in them at all... they're not even metalcore.  this is just thrash-ish industrial metal with louder bass.
A. most importantly: they don't have the death metal rhythmics.
B. they don't have the death growl.
C. their guitar work far more simple than that of even the most inexperienced death metal bands.
D. where's the blast beats?
E. and the rolling double bass kicks?
:I suggest you listen to Soul of a New Machine. Rehevkor ✉ 01:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Concrete and Soul of a New Machine are clearly Death Metal albums. darkpenguin31
No they're not death metal. Death metal doesn't have clean singing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.151.175 (talk) 11:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I suggest you listen to Soul of a New Machine. Rehevkor ✉ 12:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not pure death metal. Technical death metal maybe, but not plain death metal. I have all of their cd's and even some bootlegs and I have to agree that they are not death metal. Undead Warrior (talk) 13:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: News to me, listening to Concrete and SoNM it's clearly intended to be death metal. Not been able to find much to support technical either - I suppose they always intended to be a death metal/industrial band, "death metal-meets-industrial" as Roadrunner puts it, which could be considered a similar thing? Rehevkor ✉ 13:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That covers it, it's technical or industrial death metal, and the inclusion of industrial metal and death metal would cover the area of the music's genre. Thanks, The Mad Muffin!Muffin Chat? 11:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone take off death metal (early), they were not death metal, but industrial death metal. Even roadrunner states this. Undead Warrior (talk) 09:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We needn't add a sub-sub-genre, surely? Industrial death metal (early) would make it seem as if they used to be death metal, and are now industrial metal as opposed to industrial death metal...I'm not the most knowledgable in this regard...I think death metal (early) should be left up, but does anyone have any opinions in this regard? Thanks, The Mad Muffin!Muffin Chat? 12:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Metal? 

message: How do I get "official" information put into the wiki if the moderators say my involvement with the band is a conflict of interest?  Until the legal issues are settled the wrong line-up is on the wiki and I need to change it.
Thanks,
Douglas A. Maske
CyberMartyr (talk) 04:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to provide a reliable and verifiable source. But I'm sure this has all been mentioned to you before. Rehevkor ✉ 05:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Wiki Nazi standards? Sigh. I have mucho respect for Mr. Herrera but it's a shame he has someone with your attitude representing him. I'm done trying to help you. Good luck. Rehevkor ✉ 20:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I am not a "moderator", I'm just someone who edits the wiki, but I has as much freedom to "moderate" as anyone else. A verifiable source is in layman's terms a source that other editors can check and verify. Taking someone's word, like you're asking us to do, is never an option. If you can't back up your claim with reliable third party/independent sources (such as news reports, articles, non-self-published sources etc) then there's nothing you can do. Even if it's true, "verifiability, not truth" as the policy says, without something to back it up it means nothing. Listen, I know this whole FF legal situation is hard on everyone involved, and everyone wants a voice, but Wikipedia is not a soap box, and unless news sources (as an example) start reporting your side of the story there's nothing that can be done about it. I have the deepest respect for Raymond and everyone in the band past and present but the situation you're in you have a conflict of interest any views will be biased in our eyes, and what you're trying to do it contradict the already established "truth", we can't just disregard reliable sources on your say so. If you want the truth to be known I suggest Raymond reach out to them (you suggested Blabbermouth was biased, despite their disclaimer "BLABBERMOUTH.NET is run and operated independently of Roadrunner Records." etc, as well as RR no longer having a stake in FF, perhaps you should take your side of the story to them for example) because Wikipedia is not the place for this. Regards, Rehevkor ✉ 22:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  From FearFactory.com and RaymondHerrera.com's Webmaster 

message: Wikipedia said FF's album is going to be called "Mechanized" but now it says "Mechanize"
What is right now?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.118.56.7 (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mechanize or Mechanized? 

message: The sections that cover the band's history from the 2000s onwards seriously need cutting down. They are all littered with a bunch of lengthy direct quotes from current/former band members mostly bitching about each other. People want to read a good summary of the band's history, not a collection of copied and pasted quotes. Not only are most people who are new to Fear Factory not going to bother reading through all those quotes, but Wikipedia isn't a place to host petty drama. It should be cut down and summarised in shorter paragraphs, with less reliance on direct quotes.Vicious Friendly Fish (talk) 12:54, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The last half of the History section is way too long 

message: I know the band is a difficult one to define as far as genres go, but the category extreme metal generally refers to music within the black metal, death metal or doom  metal category. While there are certainly influences from extreme metal in Fear Factory's music, I think it would be wrong to categorize them as an extreme metal band. The subgenre 'industrial metal' (That Fear Factory frequently fall under)  has never been considered a part of the extreme metal category.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.144.41 (talk) 03:31, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extreme Metal? 

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message: Hi guys. Many times I've tried to edit the live members section, reporting there all Fear Factory's bass players except Wolbers. In fact, the latter is the only bassist to be featured in some albums, namely Obsolete and Digimortal; all the other bass players, from Gibney (1989-1991) to Campos (since 2015), were taken over in studio by guitarist Cazares. Why do you keep on calling off my changes? If you read on Metal Archives the pages of Fear Factory's albums (save Obsolete and Digimortal), you'd find out that no bassists were involved in recording those works, or enjoyed rehearsals. Would you check them pages out, please? Thanks for your attention.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.191.32 (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live bassists? 

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message: Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:43, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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message: Someone (or some people) keeps removing Cyberpunk music under categories. The overwhelming majority of the lyrics/album concepts deal with Cyberpunk/tech/futuristic-dystopian themes, which have been noted multiple times throughout their career, with also consistent popular Cyberpunk genre influences such as Blade Runner & Terminator. JanderVK (talk) 23:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyberpunk music category