Talk:The Dead (Joyce short story)

message: The plot summary for this doesn't seem very neutral; many of the statements seem (in my humble opinion) to be very hostile towards the character of Gabriel.  This should probably be revised from a particular interpretation to a simple factual summary.  Any discussion of possible symbolism or psychoanalysis of the main character should be supplemented by citations, as they should serve only to inform about various interpretations of the text in the academic (or internet) community rather than to advance one as being "correct".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.64.113 (talk) 20:33, August 30, 2007 (UTC) 
I agree. The plot summary needs to be re-done. Gabriel is well-liked by the other characters (like his aunts) and that Miss Ivors runs off because Gabriel "hurt" her is an interpretation and in fact a dubious one (she gets by far the best of their encounter). The summary leaves out the most significant event in the story before the conclusion, Gabriel's speech, when Gabriel is at his best. The summary should reflect--objectively--that our attitude about Gabriel is meant to be uncertain.99.37.200.255 (talk) 02:42, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: In the closing scene of the first series of Father Ted ("Grant Unto Him Eternal Rest"), the "boys" keep vigil on Father Jack's coffin. As it snows everywhere outside, the narrative sounds suspiciously like a parody of the end of Joyce's "The Dead." Then like Tim Finnegan, Father Jack arises, resurrected from the dead!!! Is this coincidence? or maybe a little in-joke???--PeadarMaguidhir (talk) 07:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture: Father Ted 

message: “Widely considered to be one of the greatest short stories in the English language”
75.166.75.67 (talk) 02:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality? 

message: Seeing as this is a plot summary of the short story, this section shouldn't cover any material regarding the film version. Daruqe (talk) 04:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary 

message: The article Michael Bodkin would appear to fail notability guidelines for a stand-alone article. I propose that relevant content from it be merged here. RashersTierney (talk) 12:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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message: Gabriel Conroy, who is the main character in the short story “The Dead” by James Joyce tends to often be associated with Joyce himself, (246, Ellmann). Throughout the story Gabriel is partly characterized by his seemingly awkward relationships with women including the maid, Lily, who Gabriel awkwardly extends a holiday tip to. Another portion of the short story is focused on Gabriel’s debate with Molly Ivers, the Irish nationalist. This conversation with Molly Ivers is a point of interest in the short story, which Ellmann acknowledges in his book James Joyce: “The Backgrounds of ‘The Dead,’” saying “he knows such a defense would be pretentious and only musters up the remark that he is sick of his own country, But he issue is far form settled for him,” (Ellmann, 245). 
Gabriel Conroy is often compared to Joyce himself as Ellmann acknowledges in “The Backgrounds of the Dead.”  There are two aspects in which this can be directly seen, which Richard Ellmann speaks about in this chapter. The first is Gabriel’s complicated relationship with his homeland of Dublin, Ireland. Which, as previously mentioned, comes out in his conversation with Molly Ivers. The second connection to Joyce himself is the mirrored relationship between Gabriel and his wife and Joyce and his wife. There are several times in which Gabriel’s experience is in line with Joyce’s experience, one of which is the letter Gabriel recalls giving to his wife early on in their relationship which states “Why is it that words like these seem to me so dull and cold? Is it because there is no word tender enough to be your name?” (Joyce, The Dead). As Ellamann states these words are taken almost directly from a letter which Joyce write to his wife, (Ellmann. 246). 
Works cited
Ellmann, Richard. "The Backgrounds of 'The Dead'" James Joyce. United States of America: Oxford UP, 1959. 243-254. Print.  
Kelseycaminiti (talk) 21:27, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gabriel Conroy 

message: Substituted at 08:05, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: This page is called "The Dead (short story)", but there is another called The Dead (story). Per WP:BOOKDAB, it seems the thing to do is move this page to "The Dead (Joyce story)", the other one to "The Dead (Swanwick story)", and leave "The Dead (story)" as a disambiguation page. Does anyone else have any thoughts? CohenTheBohemian (talk) 14:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move?