Talk:Marjane, Marjane

message: The song was considered to be written in Croato-Serbian or Serbo-Croatian until 1991. From then on it is considered to be written in Croatian. So I was merely attempting to show a continuity of the languages it was considered to have been written in. DIREKTOR 10:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: I accept your point of view, but I placed the different endings in their historic order. The nationalist ending was merely the earlier communist version with the name "Stalin" replaced by "jesus". As was the practice in other former Eastern Bloc states. For the best example see the Hymn of the Russian Federation. 
My addition of WW2 info on the song is correct and legitemate. DIREKTOR 23:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because you think something is correct does not make it so. You do not have any sources and you will be hard-pressed to find any for such an unusual claim. Also, the claim that the "nationalist" version is from the 1990s is ridiculous as it greatly preceded Croatian independence (despite the lyrics being virtually banned in Yugoslavia). The songbook from which I have taken the lyrics dates to the 1970s. --Thewanderer 00:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: So what? Communist-era movies are not reliable sources on the Partisans. Also, even if the Partisans sang the song (which I have not disputed), it does not prove your claim that "the song became immensly popular throughout Yugoslavia during World War 2, when it became a famous Partisan song". You have not proven that it was not already a well-known song before the Partisans. Also, during Yugoslavia the so-called nationalist version was banned, so the regime's version was the only one allowed to be sung - that hardly qualifies it as being a purely Partisan song. --Thewanderer 12:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Of course it was banned. Obviously, there was no official ban. But anyone caught singing the "nationalist" version would be in quite a bit of trouble with the regime. When communist controls over state began to loosen (1980s) "nationalist" version began to circulate again publicly. --Thewanderer 17:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The endings and "propaganda" accusations 

message: I don't see an actual verifiable source here, just a book you listed. Perhaps I should write up the names of twenty books as sources for anything I like? I think you should find a verifiable source to prove that the milicija actually listened carefully whether a person sang a particular verse of a particular song (in the 1980s no less!), you have no idea how ridiculous that sounds. Also, if that song was indeed illegal, I'd like to see the peace of legislation forbidding it. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 14:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is this book not verifiable? It's published by Školska Knjiga, probably the most well-known publishing house in Croatia. It's written by a historian who's notable enough to have his own page on Croatian Wikipedia . Finally, the book states that people were sent to jail for singing the song (which is precisely what I claimed), which does not require the song to be illegal. In a single-party state, artificial charges were made. On paper nothing was banned, but in practice many songs, the real Croatian flag, etc. were forbidden. If you think that's not true, refute the accuracy of my source, don't give me some ridiculous personal research about how you think it was impossible.--Thewanderer (talk) 17:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source? 

message: ...I am continuously amazed at the extent of your hostile attitude. The text of the paragraph I added is a collection of basic facts. Zrinski's conspiracy did negotiate with the Venetians for support (and with virtually everyone else, for that matter). The red, white and blue was adopted in the 1820s/30s. The two noblemen had nothing to do with Split whatsoever. Find positive proof to the contrary or leave the section alone. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 20:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Marjane, Marjane is a Croatian patriotic song. It is not a song about Marjan or Split, but of the  Croatian patriotism of the people there. Zrinski-Frankopan are important Croatian figures. Quite frankly, your attempt at proving that they have nothing to do with Split has nothing to do with this song.--Thewanderer (talk) 20:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Not about Split." Funny, why is it the official anthem of the city then? You're trying to explain my city's heritage to me? --DIREKTOR (TALK) 20:47, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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