Talk:J. C. Leyendecker

message: This is an North American slang word that is ironic, in that there is nothing merry about this choice of homosexual behavior. What citations can be referenced to prove that this artist or his brother behaved in this manner? Who was present to observe this behavior? I could say that he was an alcoholic or violent or lazy. Would you believe me? There has to be some proof for encyclopedia articles that include such deleterious attributions.Lestrade 13:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The word "gay" does not appear in this article, but I'll take the opportunity to point out 1.) that the word "gay" is neither "short-lived" or used by "a particular group," and therefore not "slang."  It has been in use as a synonym for "homosexual" for at least one hundred years in both US and UK, and widespread for at least the past forty years.  2.) Best current research indicates homosexuality is not usually a "choice."  3.) You can believe what you wish about Leyendecker, but his homosexuality is not disputed, and is based on primary sources such as an interview with Beach which appeared in the New York World-Telegram and Sun in December 1951, a few months after Leyendecker's death. 4.) There is nothing deleterious about this information in the context of Wikipedia in 2006, except in your mind and the minds of those with fears similar to your own. --Kstern999 22:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fear of what? There is no question of fear in my comments. This article, like many others, needs continual surveillance to deter rabid, fanatical homosexuals from including speculations about sexuality. They are intent on legitimizing and naturalizing their unnatural behavior. One tactic is to characterize opposition to homosexuality as fear of the unfamiliar. User:Kstern999 uses this "homophobe" method, as though opponents of homosexuality are merely similar to children who fear the unfamiliar. Lestrade 12:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. So why is the topic even mentioned? Are there any documented facts about this artist's private physical relationships? Is the topic mentioned for a reason?Lestrade 22:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  The above two comments (by Mardochee1 and the anon) should be deleted as they contain only slogans and are in no way related to the discussion. It's pretty much like posting "ManU rules! City sucks!" under a discussion about the history of Manchester United. 90.186.83.177 (talk) 16:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
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message: Why is a link to a bio and gallery on a commercial web site deemed acceptable in the external links section, but a link to a bio and gallery from a nonprofit organization is deemed a "conflict of interest" and removed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by HagginMuseum (talk • contribs) 18:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
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message: He was and is better known as J. C. rather than full name. Pepso2 (talk) 12:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is considerable evidence from 1890s Chicago newspapers and arts magazines that J. C. Leyendecker was known colloquially as "Joe" among friends and art colleagues, even though he signed all his works with "J. C. Leyendecker" or some variant of the "JCL" monogram. 24.107.189.69 (talk) 16:43, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
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message: Please account for your reversion of my edits. Content that cannot be reliably sourced is not "good info" by definition and does not belong on Wikipedia. I have no idea what "not speculative concerning the era" is supposed to mean. Ya hemos pasao (talk) 06:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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message: I've made a number of changes to this entry today. Much of the text was verbatim copied from the 2008 Cutler & Cutler monograph on Leyendecker and reflected those authors' speculations, biases, and language. I've edited to remove these, to focus on what has been written in the secondary literature that's supported by primary evidence. The Cutlers are major owners of Leyendecker's works and their arguments should be carefully scrutinized before inclusion here (i.e. potential conflict of interest).
Second, I've added some content reflected in David Saunder's 2021 Leyendecker biography, which described Leyendecker's Chicago years better than anyone else to date.
Third, I've removed most references to Frank Leyendecker, since the entry is on J. C.
Fourth, I've grouped the personal and career information together and added cites supporting the assertion that Leyendecker was homosexual. My recommendation is that we stick to what the secondary sources have written, not our personal beliefs or opinions on this subject. Many, MANY secondary sources imply (Rockwell, Schau, etc.) or outright state (Saunders, Cooper, Saslow, Streitmatter, etc.) that Leyendecker was homosexual and the entry should say that with cites to those sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProfMurphy (talk • contribs) 21:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Rationale for recent changes

message: Someone goofed up his inspiration as being from video games, can someone please fix that? 138.47.228.84 (talk) 12:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leyendecker’s Inspiration