Talk:Thomas Mitchell (explorer)

message: Article said:Mitchell is commemorated by the Mitchell Library at the State Library of New South Wales,
Anon editor posted:
:Correction.
:The Mitchell Library in Sydney does not commemorate Thomas Mitchell. It is named after David Scott Mitchell, the benefactor whose personal collection of books was donated to the state to form the basis of a library, to be known as the Mitchell Library.
Article amended and reason here on discussion page--A  Y  Arktos   (Talk) 18:36, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: From the Mitchell Library;s web site: The year 2007 marks the centenary of the greatest single cultural bequest to the Australian nation. On his death in July 1907, David Scott Mitchell, an avid collector of Australiana, left to the Australian people his extraordinary collections of books, documents, maps and pictures. His generosity and foresight, along with other great Library benefactors, such as Sir William Dixson and Jean Garling, will be celebrated in 2007.--A  Y  Arktos   (Talk) 18:45, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction 

message: There is a proposal that he made for an Eastern Australia with the boundary part of the murray & darling rivers, and going north up to near Gladstone, shown at this 1841 map. not sure how to include this --Astrokey44 04:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed "Eastern Australia"

message: What happened to the Exploration section?  Was it taken out for a reason?  Seems to strange to have an article on a noted explorer without any of his explorer-y stuff.  59.167.55.80 08:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Exploration

message: Thomas  was young man. He jioned the army when he was 17.he was good at making maps,reading,mathmatics.WHEN he was 35 he took over john oxly as  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.1.46 (talk) 05:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  thomas michell 

message: This edit was made with the assertion that it was inaccurate. Without knowing this history, can anyone confirm this? A Cite needed tag would probably be a better solution for verification? SauliH (talk) 07:38, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of 3rd and 4th expeditions

message: I have re-written the section on Mitchell's First Expedition, as it had no inline references.  Work is needed on the next three sections as well, and in time I hope to improve them. Summerdrought (talk) 22:10, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  work in progress 

message: 8.975 knots, 9.742 knots, 9.913 knots? This is laser interferometer precision! What were the recorded values? Doug butler (talk) 06:35, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The figures are in the Sydney Morning Herald, January 20, 1922.  Reference No. 29 on the main page. Summerdrought (talk) 06:48, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant precision in boomerang propeller trials 

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message: I want to point out here that skirmishes between Europeans and Aboriginal people in which Aborigines were killed are often described as "massacres".  And indeed, there have been situations in Australian history where the events were accurately described in that manner. 
In the case of Mitchell, we have a military officer with a number of men under his control and also under his protection. Mitchell had lost one of the most valuable members of the team, from the point of his academic skills and training, Cunningham. He had a responsibility to the rest of his team, and to the teams on subsequent expeditions, to get them back alive. 
21st century people, knowing that Mitchell's men had firearms, presume that they were at a great advantage over the Aboriginal people. They were not. They were greatly outnumbered by hostile men who were high skilled at using spears, both for close combat and as missiles. The Aboriginal men knew the terrain and were not constrained by ox-carts full of equipment. They were also experts at tracking. These were men who could successfully ambush kangaroos. 
If Major Mitchell succeeded in ambushing a group of Aboriginal warriors on their own turf, then that was a military achievement in the extreme. If he succeeded in disciplining a group of convicts into quickly loading clumsy muzzle-loading  muskets and shotguns with a skill that enabled them to defend themselves, then that too was a considerable achievement. 
A "massacre" occurs when the group of people who are killed are not hostile, or are at so great a disadvantage that they cannot defend themselves.  This was not the case.   
Mitchell was under obligation to get his troop back to Sydney alive.
Amandajm (talk) 17:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In the interests of avoiding edit wars and in interests of WP:NPOV, I think there are two ways to address this in the article. The first is to write what happened (P shot and killed Q, X speared Y) without using words that imply a point of view (protect, massacre). It could be pointed out that this was an example of the Australian frontier conflicts (I use "conflicts" rather than "wars" for NPOV). The second thing that could follow would be to present each two points of view above PROVIDED there are reliable sources for the statements being made. Kerry (talk) 01:34, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really understand why the massacre talk section is here. The word massacre doesn't appear in the article at all. Bacondrum (talk) 03:49, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

text: "Mass killing" does though. But if everyone is happy with the article as it stands, then do nothing. Kerry (talk) 04:13, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massacres  

message: Did Mitchell discover or sight the Murray and the Darling? Seeing as how the Barkindji, Latji Latji Dadi Dadi Wadi Wadi Yorta Yorta and Ngarrindjeri etc had been living there for 70,000+ years, it's more than a little inaccurate to claim he discovered these places. They were already inhabited by Homo sapiens and could not thus be discovered per se, the inhabitants had clearly discovered these places prior to Mitchell's arrival. This is all pretty self explanatory really. Any claim to the contrary is most likely based on prejudice rather than evidence. Bacondrum (talk) 22:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Sighted or discovered