Talk:Davy Jones (Pirates of the Caribbean character)

message: How much exactly do we need to put in Wikipedia from movies, let alone modern movies.  What purpose does every minutia about a fictional character have in an encyclopedia.  Go add references to some physics article or something... sheesh!--67.166.110.86 (talk) 03:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance 

message: What hat is Davy Jones wearing exactly? Some people say it's a tricorne, but I disagree. Could anyone tell me what it is??Likonan 18:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Davy Jones' Hat 

message: Can Jones actually feel joy or pain? The cutting out of his own heart was done to remove feeling, and everytime he tries to smile his face violently twitches. is it because he's forcing himself to smile but can't really feel joy, or does it have somthing to do with having an octopus for a face? Technobabble1 21:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then it should be sourced and put in the article. BlackPearl14 02:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emotions/expressions 

message: The article says 'Davy Jones also controls the loyalties of "Bootstrap Bill" Turner, whose soul he was given in exhange for saving Bootstrap.' I'm not expert on the matter, but would it make more sense for him to have saved Will? He didn't really save himself at any time.
:Maybe the phrasing is just unclear. What I got from it (and the movie) is that Davy Jones saved Bootstrap in exchange for Bootstrap's soul. --Masamage 03:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly so. Though even worse, actually, because it wasn't the canon that kept him from moving, it was the tons of water pressing down on him. He couldn't breathe, either. Not surprising that he went for the way out. --Masamage 17:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saved Bootstrap or Will? 

message: This is odd but, the name Davy Jones was also mentioned in David Copperfield toward the end of Chapter 2. Was Davy Jones some well known personage or pirate in the past or truly a fictional character? Wiki makes no mention of this name in the book. {{unsigned|69.226.210.211}
:The movie character is based on the old legend of Davy Jones. The phrase usually used is to call the depths of the ocean Davy Jones' Locker--that even happens in the first Pirates movie. :) Check out the article! It's interesting. --Masamage 00:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Copperfield 

message: "Davy Jones is not killed in the second movie or even really defeated; a first for a Disney villain and movie."
What about Jafar? Cathie 04:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point! Jafar was at least nominally defeated, though... --Masamage 04:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but Davy Jones is also somewhat defeated at the end of this film in that his heart is no longer safe.  Isn't the last shot we see of him showing how angry and upset he is at this development?  If this isn't somewhat defeated, then we can say that Dr. Claw of Inspector Gadget fame was never really defeated, since this is the position he is in at the end of every episode. Cathie 21:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Entirely a matter of opinion! But I think your edit was very well-placed, and I'll support it. --Masamage 21:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not that it's crucial to the article, since I'm happy my other small edit was well received, but I find this: "he was actually victorious against the main protagonist" a little unclear, and I'm happier having it say "he was actually victorious against Jack Sparrow" since Jack Sparrow is not really the main protagonist, just as Jay Gatsby isn't really the main protagonist of The Great Gatsby.  Even if you still believe Jack to be the main protagonist, I found clarification to be necessary, since there are many "main protagonists" and Jones was not especially victorious against Will, his other adversary.  His relationship with Will at the end of the film is more stalemate than victory. Cathie 04:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First?  No... 

message: I remember hearing something of the legend of Davy Jones, etc, before the movie came out (something about sailors that sink to the bottom of the sea not dying and being forced to serve her forever). Does anyone have more information about the original legend? --Randomella 17:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's info about it in Davy Jones' locker. ^_^ --Masamage 02:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Adsartha 22:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Legend? 

message: Lots of edits going back and forth about this. Hash it out, guys. :) --Masamage 03:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pipe Organ or Calliope? 

message: Well, we've seen him teleport at least twice for certain, maybe again when Will challenged him. 68.225.240.87 09:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That, and he can apparently stop people from dying. o_O --Masamage 21:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a mildly important power. Jachra 09:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ---point removed---71.217.98.158 05:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You make a good point, but it's still all just original research.  Basically the only thing we can put down is he keeps them alive in SOME way since they're still walking and talking, but anything outside that is unproven. Dac 21:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Teleporting, I'm not so sure on, as I've only seen him "teleport" once, from what I recall, and that was in the rain.  I wouldn't call it teleporting really, though, not sure on a word for it as he and his crew members only move throughout the damp, nothing else.  Cause if they were to teleport, then they would be able to do it whenever, but it's only been done in the damp and that's it. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 10:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, watching the commentary, the writers note that the teleporting (I forget exactly what they called it, it may have been teleporting) is a difficult process that can only be done at night.  Dac 12:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powers? 

message: I removed this, but someone might disagree with me, so the floor's open for discussion. I think Davy Jones had a lot of weird motives, but pure joy of hurting people wasn't one I noticed. --Masamage 02:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, yeah. I was a bit hasty. Would've put it back in the category, but someone already did! Sorry and thanks! ^_^ --Masamage 00:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional sadists category 

message: Notice that Davy Jones has striking physical similarities to the Feeorin pirate Rav and the Quarren. --216.229.165.162 00:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that really important? Dac 09:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. But there used to be a whole section about who he looks like in the article itself, so if people need to let that stuff out, this is a great spot for it. --Masamage 18:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Whatever, all these similarities basically come down to original research.  So they aren't really necessary anyway, unless a source can be cited stating a connection between Jones and whoever he's being linked to.  If a source can be found saying "Davy Jones was based on..." or "this character was inspired by Davy Jones" or something along those lines, feel free to add them.  Similarities alone aren't relevant and make the article cluttered anyway. Dac 08:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Similar appearance to Star Wars species

message: OK, I'm really, really, really, really tired of reverting the accent back to Scottish.  I don't care what people who have seen the film have to say about the accent, whether they think it sounds Scottish or not, because the actor stated in the cited interview that it is Scottish.  Here's the quote for good measure:
“I think so. I hope so. I was astounded when I actually first saw stuff I had done, because it is quite broad, in terms of performance. It is quite big. Our choice to do it Scottish was also kind of radical, in terms of that accent. Actually for once in my life…I am not a fan of myself, I am happy that other people like it, but I don’t watch myself very much.”
Henceforth, from here on out, any changes made to the accent will be regarded as vandalism, especially if the article is removed.  Thank you.  Dac 00:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Accent

message: The beard is composed of octupus-like arms, not tentacles. Tentacles are two very long, club ending appendages that squid have. Tentacles only have suction cups on the club-like ends, not the entire length as can clearly been seen in the movie.
Point taken.  Next time you use the talk page, though, can you both separate your new section from the one above it, and sign your post?  Makes things a lot easier.  Thanks. Dac 03:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Beard

message: As my sister and I watched the 2nd Pirates of the Caribbean movie we found out two things as you may remeber the first time Jack Sparrow and his crew visited Tia Dalmas hut she explained that Davy Jones could not set foot on land so she gave Jack Sparrow the Jar of dirt to use against davy Jones so that he will be protected also we saw Jack steel a ring from Tia Dalma when he did this we saw a neckalce on her table which was an exact replica of Davy Jones's Musical Locket and we heard her say that he had a alove for a woman and the sea the woman that he loved was Tia Dalma the evidence that supports this is the locket like wedding rings they mached the necalace and the locket seved as wedding rings and this was the evidence that supports there marriage!!!--Dr.olaf 19:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, as far as I can tell, the only evidence you could find was the musical locket, which has already been noted in the article.  Second, to make any conclusions in an article based on evidence that is hinted and not outright stated is speculation.  Sorry.  Good work and all, but it doesn't change much.  Dac 23:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Uncoverd secrets from the Pirates of the Caribbean Dead mans Chest 

message: Does anyone know if the trailer for "At World's End" is online anywhere?
:No idea.  Go check on some film message boards, they should know. Also, don't forget to sign your posts. Dac 07:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Yahoo, the trailer will be released on March 19, 2007. -Bootstrap Bill —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.67.31.251 (talk) 19:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trailer for At World's End? 

message: The heart of Jones is the key to killing Jones. However it requires a type of person to stab the heart. A living person cannot stab the heart because his/her heart still beats. A person who is already dead, whose heart does not beat , is the only one who can stab the heart. Poor Will stabs the heart thus turning him into Davy Jones. Only someone already dead, like one of the Dutchmen's crewmen,  can stab the heart.
:Oh really.  And where was this "information" retrieved from?Dac 09:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Calypso, goddess of the sea, he was inlove with her, she made him the captain of the flying dutchmen, to farry the souls of the dead to the afterlife, but at the end of the 10 year service he had to do, she never met him, and he was trapped, gave up farrying the dead to the afterlife and became the version of him in the movie, and he was the one who led her being trapped in tai's body. somebody else can finish i don't liek to give out the fact i'v seen it.--Covex 20:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: THE HEART OF DAVY JONES

message: What exactly happens if Jones goes onto dry land? They say he can't, but never what will happen.
that is part of his legend and folklore.davy jones is the devil of the sea,so he is bonded with the water.probabily he is bloked by some sort of invisible energy
:There is also a loophole to the no land thing as seen in At World's End, Jones can stand in buckets of water.  Emperor001 01:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Land

message: I cleaned up some of the rather execrable prose on this page; however I was overcome by hopelessness at the last 'World's End' paragraph and left it for someone braver than I.  26 May 2007
:I will attempt to be that brave soul, I already re-worded the opening paragraph and arranged the article in a more encyclopedic fashion. --MajinVegeta 05:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I alright I moved the previous picture of Jones in Pirates 3 to that section of the article. I put the picture of him shown in Pirates 2. Before anyone goes and changes it; give me a valid reason why the one with the red backgound is more appropriate. It looks cheap becuse it actaully says At worlds end on it and has all the movie information on it; not good for a lead picture. It literally belongs in that section. The picture of him shown when the second movie came out is much better because it shows his whole character; not just his face and also is just a picture and has no movie text on it.-Darknessofheart
:I don't care what you do, I think that people like the "At World's End" one it has better lighting and it is more cinematic. However, I always like seeing pics of characters at their introduction movies/scenes. It gives it a more "this is this guy" feel. But I also believe that lighting and dimensions is a major key in choosing what pic to use. The one that you put up is a little dark, sometimes it's hard to see the characters. Perhaps cropping the pic and then re-uploading? And we don't need a full body shot either, I never thought that Jones's feet were very interesting anyway. --MajinVegeta 21:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Davyjonesandcrew.JPG

message: Fans of Pirates of the Carribean frequently like to compare its characters to characters from Star Wars. I was thinking that Davy Jones is uncannily like Darth Vader. They both have a tall dark, menacing appearence, they were both good men who have become evil as a result of losing someone they love and both of them answer to someone even more evil and megalomaniacal than themselves. In Vader's case Palpatine, in Jones's case Cutler Beckett. Beckett himself is frequently compared to Palpatine so I think this warrants a mention. 
Anon
::No, it can't be added, it's purely speculation and OR. Wikipedia is not a messege board or a fan page, it is an encyclopedia. Theories, OR and speculation are not allowed. see here: WP:OR. --MajinVegeta 15:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Similarities to Darth Vader

message: Um... how does Davy Jones qualify as a dictator? Cutler Beckett maybe, but Davy Jones? I don't think so. --Exor 21:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional dicator category 

message: It seems like the only time that Davy Jones cries is after the Kraken dies, should that be noted? Hjerpinig 16:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Kraken

message: How is Jones even remotley like an anti-hero. An anti-hero is someone who is willing to do bad things, but their overall goal is good. Jone's goal in the third movie was to reclaim his heart to get out of his servitude. From there he would continue to inflict pain on others on his own accord. That is no where near a noble goal. He kills Will at the end, enjoys seeing Elizabeth distrought over it, and killed dozens of people. Jones showed emotion in this movie, but no nobleness. He didn't help the heroes in any way and only added to the conflict. He was still a pretty evil and cruel villain.-Darknessofheart
Nobody's disputing that he isn't. 
Anon
Yeah, but someone keeps on changing the secondary villain line in the beginning to ant-hero in the third film.-DarknessofHeart
~*~ I don't belive that an anti-hero is "someone who is willing to do bad things, but their overall goal is good."  From my understanding, an anti-hero is someone who is not the antagonist but not the protagonist, all while being someone that the audience can sympathize with, despite the anti-hero's tendency to go against social norms or what society percieves as "the right thing to do."
Also, I don't see how you can say that Jones' goal in the third movie is to get his heart back just so that he can inflict more pain on others.  It is certain that he wants to get his heart back, yes, but not to continue hurting people.
That being said, I really do believe that Davy Jones is an anti-hero.  Sure, he's a villian, but he's still an anti-hero, nonetheless.  If he is an antagonist in the third film, which is not exactly the same as a villian, then he would be, by definition, trying to stop the protagonists from reaching their goals.  In the beginning of the third film, the goal of the protagonists is to rescue Jack, and I'm sure Davy Jones would love to stop them from reaching that goal, except that he can't.  He's in a situation that keeps him from being the antagonist, and that is the fact that he's being controlled by the East India Trading Company.
Then, later on in the movie, while the different heroes have different goals, the mutual goal of the group seems to be the undoing of the East India Trading Company's control of the sea and the prevention of the destruction of the pirate infrastructures.  Obviously, Jones hates the East India Trading Company just as much as the heroes of the third film do, so he isn't trying to stop them from reaching that certain goal.  And yes, he would want to stop them from saving Jack, but why not?  If you think about it, Jack did make a deal with Davy Jones and, in that light, Jack deserves to be in the Locker.  As an audience member, I'm glad they saved him from that fate, but I can still understand why Davy Jones wanted to keep Jack in the Locker.
Davy Jones' top priority seems to be to reclaim control of the Flying Dutchman, which he eventually does.  After that, quite interestingly enough, Jones doesn't seem to have a specific goal regarding Calypso.  He declares that he wants her murdered, but that seems to be quite the opposite when he talks to her in the brig of the Black Pearl.  And, most importantly, the audience understands why.  They sympathize with him and probably want him to succeed in finding peace in his heart.
In contrast, the audience doesn't sympathize with Lord Cutler Beckett, who is the main antagonist.  That shows, to some degree, the difference between Jones and Beckett.  Beckett, as the antagonist, is trying to stop the protagonists from reaching their main goal, while Davy Jones is, put in simple terms, just doing his own thing.
In short, I believe Davy Jones is in fact an anti-hero because he is "against the heroes," but he is by no means allied with the antagonist, all while being a character that the audience can easily sympathize with.~*~ Aozame
~*~ Regarding the article:  Not to sound snide or anything, and please don't take this personnally, but I think it's safe to say that the points that the user Darknessofheart brought up provide little, almost no, evidentiary support towards the claim that Cpt. Davy Jones is not an anti-hero.  The main points brought up are that Jones does not fit the description of an anti-hero and that his goal does not fit the description of that of an anti-hero's goal.  However, my argument has pointed out that the definition of anti-hero, as provided by Darknessofheart, is a false definition.  Also, there is no proof at all that Davy Jones' goal in the movie is to get his heart back soley so that he can continue to hurt people.
As of now, the article reads "secondary antagonist/anti-hero".  That's fine for right now, but as I've stated before, earlier in the third film, it is possible for Jones to maintain his agonistic role, but he cannot do to his situation and the simple fact that he's unaware of the plan to rescue Jack Sparrow from the Locker.  Therefore, I move that we change "secondary antagonist/anti-hero" to "anti-hero" and be done with it. ~*~ Aozame
I don't think anti hero id the right term to use, but at the same time I don't think he was really a secondary antagonist either.  As soon as he kills Mercer, Lord Beckett loses any control he had over Davy Jones, and the major climatic battle of the movie is clearly the fight between the Black Pearl and the Flying Dutchman, with Beckett's death being little more than an afterthought.  I'd liken the situation to movies like Thunderball, The Net, Dark City and The Long Kiss Goodnight, where the main villain was not the one ultimately in control, but the one who was set up as the major villain.  Davy Jones got far more promotional exposure than Beckett did, even in AWE, so I think he should at least be considered "an antagonist" as opposed to "a secondary antagonist".  Like Aozame said, there's nothing really stopping him from maintaining his antagonistic role except for Beckett threatening him (which ultimately proves futile as Dany Jones takes advantage of the confusion to seize control of his ship back anyway.
Of course, I'm aware that's only one opinion, but rather than spend ages changing his description back and forth, it might be an idea just to simply label him as an antagonist.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?--Malvorean 14:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-hero?

message: It is not mentioned in the article that Jones' killer has to take his place as the captain of the Flying Dutchman, as it's shown in the At World's End. This is crucial to the plot, as Jack Sparrow thinks about whether or not he really wants to kill Davy Jones, thus achieving immortality, but for a price of having to ferry the dead souls to the other world and not being able to step on land but for one day every ten years. This is also the thing that saves Will Turner from dead.
However, I am not sure as to which section should this be added to.
Also, at the end of the At World's End section, there is: "Jones, knowing that Jack would hesitate (to stab Jones' heart) due to his indecisive nature, plunged his sword into Will's chest." However, at least to me Jack Sparrow is not indecisive at all. It should be mentioned there why Sparrow hesitates to stab the heart - because stabbing the heart leads to him becoming the immortal captain of Flying Dutchman, which he isn't sure is the thing he's ready to do. Chjoodge 14:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jones' killer has to take his place 

message: There is the following reference in the Design and Appearance section: "Davy Jones design was borrowed from a character from Star Wars Episode VI: Return of The Jedi, Squidface Tessek." Is there a support for this, or is this, like other similarities referenced above, a result of personal research, and simply a coincidence?
In any case, for the time being, I am removing it. -EarthRise33 16:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Star Wars resemblance

message: I had a lot of sympathy for Davy as well, and I would like to believe that he was reunited with Calypso after death, but as it is now its pretty much original research. We can't just go "This is what some fans believe" because there's probably a lot of different theories. So, until we have a more concrete source, I removed it.--CyberGhostface 02:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reuniting with Calypso 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:DetailtofaceofDavyJones.jpg

message: I was wondering if maybe we should add Jones to the category of Fictonal portrayals of Satan as he does play the role of a satanic character in POTC. --Illustrious One (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. I'm not a "Pirates" expert, but this is the first time I've heard that Davy Jones is a metaphor for Satan. Has this been mentioned in any interviews or commentaries or whatever?--CyberGhostface (talk) 14:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: In one word: no. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 20:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Piratedavyjones.JPG

message: I think that the timeline here is off. Barbossa took over the Pearl 2 years after Jack had it ressurected. Then the Pearl and Barbossa spent 10 years trying to find the cursed medallions to reverse the curse. Elizabeth, on the crossing from England, saw the Pearl after rescuing Will when she was 10, and she's 18 at the start of the first movie, (Will was 12 when rescued and is 20 in the first movie) so that means she saw the Pearl 2 years after Barbossa mutinied, so 4 years into the total 13 years. So, at the end of the first movie, its basically 12 years after Jones resurrected the Pearl. The second movie then happens about a year or less after that, and the third movie picks up where the second left off, basically. Think about it...would Will and Elizabeth really wait 13 years after she dumps Norrington to get married? And the Governor would've certainly noticeably aged, as would the others.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Corypark (talk • contribs) 11:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: There were 35 instances of "Davey" or "Davey Jones" on this page, and 27 instances of "Davy" or "Davy Jones"... now they should all ready Davy, which is as it should be (I checked IMDb/Disney to make sure this was correct). Also, I don't believe any links were broken as a result of the changes, so that's a plus.
It was interesting reading this page, Davy Jones is my favorite character in the PotC series. Thanks guys.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.232.105.201 (talk) 19:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Davey -> Davy 

message: The critique in the note at the beginning of the article makes no sense.  In all research with which I am familiar, primary sources are always prefered to secondary sources, as being more authoritative.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 00:09, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an explanation about how Wikipedia treats primary and secondary sources at WP:PRIMARY.  Deli nk (talk) 16:32, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Primary Sources

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In six years, no evidence to support the Cthulhu claim. The same anonymous editor made many non-constructive edits elsewhere and this edit is clearly OR that was unfortunately not reverted at the time. Elsewhere writers have noted that the resemblence is partial -- Cthulhu is also winged and 100' tall. I have kept hopefully just enough to quiet Lovecraft enthusiastists, and reinserted other text from before that dubious OR 2011 revision. 
I don't know who designed Davy Jones, etc.; that is what started me down this detour.GeeBee60 (talk) 17:13, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cthulhu