Talk:Tubular Bells

message: >>> The article states "The opening theme, which was eventually chosen for the 1973 film The Exorcist, gained the record considerable publicity and is how many people have probably first heard the work."   Does 99.99999999999% constitute "many"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.104.4 (talk) 16:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 99.99% does constitute many but in contrast to this figure, many is not simply invented out of thin air. Maybe most in 1973 first heard it in the film, but since the day the record has long overshadowed the film. Str1977 (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Excorcist

message: That's not "Plus tubular bells" (classic cut-n-pasted miscreant misquote), that's not "Glass tubular bells" (though sounding close), please listen to the actual track at 22:50-55 before changing this: brass... tubular... bells!
Well, I've listened to the actual track, and the 2003 version with John Cleese as MC and it seems to me that it's "Plus... tubular bells". Furthermore, in the discography by Richard Carter hosted at mikeoldfield.org it says "Plus", and it seems a quite reliable source. Whadayathink? :)
I agree with the above. I've listened to it and I can't hear it being anything else than "Plus". Also, due to the evidence of the 2003 version as well as that website which is, to my knowledge, one of the best sources of accurate information on Mike Oldfield, that the main article should be edited to show this. Bennity 02:43, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the first Virgin record store (under the Virgin name) opened at least two (possibly three) years before Virgin Records and Tubular Bells were launched.  According to the London Evening Standard, the name "Virgin" comes from the (alleged) "fact" that Branson is sex-obsessed, although since the Standard is a tabloid this claim should be taken with a pinch of salt pending further research. -- 217.171.129.69 (talk) 05:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

text: If anyone wants a quote (from page 116 of Richard Branson's autobiography "Losing My Virginity", Revised Edition, ) "Although Simon [Draper] and I [Richard Branson] loved Mike's music, we never thought that we'd make any money from it". Yay unto the Chicken 02:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh.  When I read that an airplane was named after this album, I immediately thought of the iconic knotted airplane of the film Airplane!. --205.201.141.146 22:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Plus Tubular Bells" lyric dispute 

message: It has been mentioned in many bios', and by Oldfield himself, that the original title of the piece was "Opus 1" and in fact in his original home recording there were no tubular bells. Shouldn't this be noted in the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.255.249.210 (talk) 10:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is already mentioned, if you read the recording sessions section. TubularWorld (talk) 16:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever the state of the article was in 2010, it no longer defines what Opus 1 is. The article mention it six times but nowhere defines if it's a section of TB, and which one, or the whole thing. A clear and unambiguous definition of Opus 1 needs to be added.ToaneeM (talk) 09:32, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's stated in the background that Oldfield had recorded several demos including a longer piece he had provisionally titled "Opus One", and that Richard Branson encouraged him to record it professionally at The Manor. What emerged from that session would be a developed version of the 'Opus 1' demo. You probably couldn't point at any part of TB and say "that's Opus 1", but I would guess that Part 1 is mostly Opus 1, and Part 2 was written during the recording sessions. Halmyre (talk) 15:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I did read through it carefully before pointing out that Opus 1 isn't defined. Article readers don't know what's going on. The article should define or explain Opus 1, that's its responsibility if it's going to later refer to it six times. The article needs to be fixed. But by someone who knows: adding guesswork text makes it worse.ToaneeM (talk) 13:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry you seem to have some difficulty with the article as it is currently written, ToaneeM. I jest went back and re-read all the places where "Opus One" is mentioned. It all looks perfectly clear to me, as is the reason the title was changed to "Tubular Bells". Not sure what to suggest. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:30, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Glad you took a look and found it, @MartinEvans123. Please can you quote the article text that told you specifically what 'Opus 1' is. Does that text tell you if it's a section of TB and, if so, which one? Or does it say all of TB evolved from it? I couldn't find it in our encyclopedia, so I think others can't. That seems just as clear to me but I've laboured my point enough. Don't you get me wrong - I only wanna know. Thanks and please do paste the text. ToaneeM (talk) 21:12, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There is not just one piece of text. It starts with  but there is then a narrative that provides the explanation. There is no explanation of "which part of TB" Opus One became but, as Halmyre suggest above, it may be hard to determine this, but it's probably most of Part 1. No more to offer here, sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:33, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Sure @Martinevans123 and hence my original point stands. Many other WP articles explain similar evolution of early pieces to final releases but more clearly. Here, "Opus 1" is referred to in six places but not defined or even introduced, so the article has a clear deficiency. None of us know the answer, so we'd make it worse adding guess-text. Someone who does know will eventually come along and correct it. Meanwhile, I'll sign off here, thanks for talking :-) ToaneeM (talk) 22:52, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: One piece has a series of lyrics that sounds like they're sung in Klingon.  I would certainly welcome a discussion on this matter; the current article fails to mention it entirely.
--Pjf 04:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that you are right there. Tubular Bells wasn't written for the Exorcist and I believe that Mike wasn't even told about its inclusion until the film came out. --80.229.152.246 16:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Mike would have had to have been told because to do otherwise would have been copyright violation. I'm in the entertainment bizness; tis Simply Not Done. The current "Sopranos" commercial using the song "Don't Stop" is costing A&E big freaking money baby.... Here is the best transscription I've been able to get, keeping in mind the cd is relatively new issue and could have been edited: 
"I wanna fuck (hush!?)" repeated about 4x; the hush also sounds as if it could be "wash", "Elvis", and "boys", or all four, in that order.
"Hush, hush, hush" or whatever about 3 times,
howls and screams,
"I wanna fuck,
I wanna fuck!"
more howls and screams
"Hush, hush, hush!" 
howls and screams.
I did not find any mention of the name of Jesus, which is the in the book by Wm. Peter Blatty. Have a nice day! Nirigihimu 19:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Mike did not have to asked (theoretically), as he is not the copyright holder, Virgin-Emi is! TubularWorld 20:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reasonably sure it's a Klingon love song --Huffers (talk) 23:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

text: There's one major flaw with this argument; Klingon, in the form which we are discussing, was not used in the Star Trek universe until the first motion picture in 1979. Of course Tubular Bells precedes this incarnation of Klingon by 6/7 years. SkeletorUK (talk) 23:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Re. Nirigihimu's first comment, does this mean that every reference to dogs (in whatever context) is a disguised religious/blasphemous reference?  I don't think so.  (And to my mind "blasphemy" is more or less a null concept anyway, as most so-called "blasphemers" aren't taking the name of their God in vain.) -- 217.171.129.69 (talk) 05:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Some more info that may be helpful: Piltdown Man is the skull of a prehistoric caveman found in England, which turned out to be a hoax.  Click the link for info.  I've always thought of Mike's vocals as caveman talk inspired by Scottish and Welsh languages.  As to whether he's actually saying anything, the only thing I can hear is "shove it!" near the end, but given the other things you people are hearing, your guesses are as good as mine.  In the 1960s, Mike and his brother Terry were in a short-lived rock band called Barefeet (or Barefoot; I've seen both names in "official" biographies) and did a song called "Growling Song" which contained incomprehensible vocals, and is supposedly the inspiration for the Piltdown Man section; however there are no recordings (as far as we know) of this or any other Barefeet songs, so it's not known if it's really the same song.  Back to Tubular Bells, nobody ever seems to point out the backing vocals, which are clearing chanting "boot leg" (and later, "leg boot").  Back when Virgin Records was a record importing and mail order distribution company, Richard Branson got arrested for selling bootleg records, so this is Mike's dig at his new boss.  Also note that the dog on the Hergest Ridge album cover is credited as "Bootleg, the Irish Wolfhound from the Manor".  Obviously, Branson's employees were allowed to joke about the situation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by A Knight Who Says Ni (talk • contribs) 01:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Klingon Lyrics 

message: This needs to be handled better somehow:
:[* - Note this is baseless rumour and has since passed into urban folklore] 
Can someone please a) find a reference, and b) improve how this info is incorporated in the article?  As it stands it's bad form.  18.173.1.42 15:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bracketed note on alleged drunkenness 

message: In the UK, a copy of the original studio recording of this album was given away with the Mail on Sunday on 22 April 2007. 217.43.197.166 12:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure weather to include info on the mail on sunday givaway - the only reason to, would be the fact that mike wasnt asked about it before hand. Mankind 2k 16:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tubular Bells and the Mail on Sunday 

message: Actually, the first part is not entirely in 7/8. Let's say every note played is 1/16th, then it is 7/16 - 7/16 - 7/16 - 9/16. Listen closely, after 3 repeats of the 7/16 riff, it is repeated with two additional notes, making it 30/16 altogether. Of course, if every played note counts as 1/32nd then we would have 30/32 altogether, which reads better. I will correct this soon. Regards, 84.56.125.45 08:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (one leading 16th:)...   + | A+B+GA+ | C+D+BC+ | A+B+GA+ | C+D+BC+B+ | If you read note names and + (as E or "and"), and add them up, it's 7/16 - 7/16 - 7/16 - 9/16. (or eights, if the smallest division is 1/8) The bar division is |2+3+2|2+3+2|2+3+2|2+3+4| I've only seen it that way in transcriptions.  (Horacio's version has one eight too many in the third bar and misses one eight in the fourth bar btw.) In the Autobiography version, the stress wold be on the melody notes for the first riff, then on the e's for the next, then on the melody notes, then again on the e's, which doesn't make sense at all. Mathematically it's the same (7/16 + 7/16 = 7/8 and 7/16 + 9/16 = 8/8), but musically it's a totally different rhythm.  -- megA (talk) 17:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  I cannot hear the opening riff as anything other than 7+7+7+9.  Well, actually, I've always "felt" the opening 7 as a kind of "pickup", so that the melody feels like 7+7+9+7, but that's clearly my own problem, and not what Oldfield intended.  Which makes me wonder whether I could hear it as a slower 7+8, and that I might be just "stuck" on the 7779 reading.  Anyway, this can't go into the article, because it's original research.  I'm very surprised that Oldfield explicitly plumps for 7+8 in the autobiography, but if that's what he says, that's what we have to go with. ACW (talk) 23:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

text: This is genuinely fascinating, because I can't hear it as anything other than 7,8,7,8.... So interesting how the same piece comes across so many different ways to different listeners.... PurpleChez (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meter 

message: Was Trevor Key really inspired by Magritte's "Castle in the Pyrenees" or is it just very similar? They are almost identical, but i have found no real references for it. Anyone know for sure? Mankind 2k 16:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castle in the Pyrenees 

message: Magma drummer/leader Christian Vander claims that Oldfield had listened to Magma record before he wrote the album, and that Oldfield stole some of Magma's music in Tubular Bells.  He has stated so in several interviews, such as I have reproduced below:
"A man called Mike Oldfield did steal my music - to be more precise, extracts from "Mekanik" and "La Dawotsin". When we recorded "Mekanik Kommandoh" in 1972, Oldfield was waiting for recording "Tubular bells", which is in fact an extract from my music. I played this music for him, without guessing that h would steal it for him."
Source:http://members.aol.com/sleeplessz/batmag.htm
Perhaps this could be incorporated into a Controversy section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.181.248 (talk) 08:46, August 28, 2007 (UTC) 
:What section of Tubular Bells to be exact? As there is recorded demo evidence that Oldfield recorded some sections in 1971, a year before this supposed ripping off... These 1971 demos are available on the DVD-A of TB2003. TubularWorld 15:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Wikipedia is also not meant to have any Polemical statements, as it is an encyclopedia. Tbh if this Vander fellow was actually serious about Oldfield stealing his work, there would have been a law suit, and as there hasn't been, all of this is just hear-say really... TubularWorld 16:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy Section 

message: I feel that this article's intro section should be entirely rewritten to more generalize the content of the article. It should say at least SOMEthing about the influence this album has had on the music industry. Tubularbells1993 (talk) 19:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll make a new draft intro in the next few days, and see how it looks. --TubularWorld (talk) 21:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

text: This subject may be more appropriate in the "significance" section.  TB1993, what do you recommend the changes say?  I'm not really sure if it had a great influence worldwide, unless you are thinking of it being a contributing factor to the development of world music as a popular genre, which seems to have happened a decade later.  TB certainly had a major influence on how the Virgin label developed, but did it really influence the industry as a whole, and did it have much of an impact in the USA?  I always thought of TB as an album that should have had more influence than it did, as it seemed to point to a new dirction progressive rock could take, but prog rock was on the decline by 1973, and its styles firmly established, so I don't think other classic bands were too influenced by it. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 17:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What I meant was, per WP:LEAD, it doesn't adequately summarize the article. I'm not saying its impact was too drastic, but it still deserves a mention there. Instead of mentioning the album's success in brief, it jumps straight into Vivian Stanshall and his work. It should hook the reader rather than going off into something best mentioned elsewhere in the article. Just generally, it needs a rewrite. I am not entirely sure what it would look like but it might say something like, "The work has been sampled continuously many times by many artists," and goes off to name a few (particularly the biggest ones) rather than having an unnecessary trivia section that takes up a large amount of the article (and a bigger danger being most of it is not sourced). Tubularbells1993 (talk) 04:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I presumed you meant influence regarding style, and how it affected subsequent music by others.  I'm not sure sampling is notable demonstration of influence, and I think I might prefer examples to be mentioned in a cover versions section, perhaps titled "covers and sampling".  Regarding the problem of sourcing info about cover versions, I usually look to see if I can find it referenced at the artist or album page at WP (which should be wikilinked, and I add the link if it's missing), and if I can't find it, I remove it.  If someone really wants to have it added to the article, they should repond by finding a source.  If we're going to mention sampling, we should mention that Amarok contains a strange sample in which Mike took the entire 50 minutes of TB and compressed it into something like 1 second (or maybe it's a little longer?) and used it as an instrument sound.  (Read it in a fanzine interview with Mike, should be possible to source; I'll do a search of the dusty archives if necessary.) --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 11:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad intro section 

message: The opening part was also used, I believe, in a commercial for Esso in the mid-70's. It featured a tiger romping through deep snow in slow motion.  Probably a lot of people in England heard the piece via this commercial before The Exorcist ever came out...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.128.193 (talk) 08:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esso Commercial 

message: The current text reads, in part:
I purchased the single in Canada when it was first released, and it was identical to the U.S. version.  The above text should perhaps be altered to read "only released in the US and Canada."  Comments welcome. The News Hound 12:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not seeing the actual name of the US single anywhere here.  Was it just called "Tubular Bells"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.202.33.17 (talk) 05:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - https://www.discogs.com/master/558502-Mike-Oldfield-Tubular-Bells. Richard3120 (talk) 09:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single version 

message: Most of this article now reads like a bad essay for music theory class or something! The is wikipedia! No original research please!67.190.86.13 (talk) 19:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad Essay

message: The first version of Tubular Bells that I ever heard was on vinyl with the length of each side printed on the record. This was a used copy that I heard in 1979 or 1980. It contained a piano solo before the Sailor's Hornpipe section. The piano solo disappeared from later editions (which also removed the times for each side). However, the piano solo later re-appeared elsewhere as "The Theme from Cosmos" credited to Vangelis. Does anyone know the story behind the disappearing piano solo? It would be great if an explanation could be added to the Wikipedia entry.Kmarkus (talk) 18:51, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piano Solo on Side 2 

message: For those of you who don't know, Death Note is a very famous anime about a man who despises evil and founds a notebook who can kill persons if the name is written upon it. This series makes theme songs for almost every main character. One of the characters (called "L") has his own theme song which is strikingly similar to Tubular Bells. Should we put that on the article? Because is an incredible resemblance. I'll leave you a link to discuss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYqBjBNcvqs  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.204.39.210 (talk) 15:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No. It's listkruft and WP:OR. TJRC (talk) 18:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tubular Bells/L's theme 

message: Could 'You and Me' by SHM be included in the cover versions list? It is another happy hardcore song involving the original song's opening melody - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeL6Y7Dwad4#t=50 --Arpaleggia (talk) 15:48, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Happy Hardcore song that uses the intro 

message: In the list of instruments that MO played, it lists "Piltdown Man", but it links to the article about the fossil.  Is this correct?194.28.125.14 (talk) 04:13, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piltdown Man? 

message: In NYC during the late 1980's and early 1990's there was a mime who performed every Sunday (perhaps other days as well but unbeknownst to us) in front of The Metropolitan Museum of Art on Fifth Avenue, (80th to 84th Street), using Tubular Bells as his musical theme. It was about a 15 minute performance that he would repeat over the course of the day. He was quite good - very dramatic and mysterious - dressed head-to-toe in white, as I recall - with that eerie ethereal TB music piping forth from his portable CD player. My young son and I made that visit practically every Sunday and we were transfixed by that performance. I would love to get a message to him - wherever he is now - that he is fondly and pleasantly remembered.  
Hperess (talk) 05:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A NEW YORK CITY Moment for Tubular Bells 

message: I don't feel that this review is worthy of a link, as it is obvious to me that Christgau didn't listen to more than 5 minutes of TB before writing the review. Of course, I suppose it does balance the list of reviews somewhat. I'm just bothered by the obvious lack of effort on the reviewer's part. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 12:34, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Christgau review 

message: From the article:
The newly founded Virgin Records released Oldfield's debut album Tubular Bells as its first album; hence the catalogue number V2001.
Um... why "2001"?  If it was their first album, why not V1 or V0001 or something similar?  The album was released nearly three decades before the year 2001, so that's not an explanation.  But if this number is of some significance, then this statement does require some further explanation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.206.185.142 (talk) 05:20, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably 'V2001' just because they could. 'V1xx1' for some releases (are there any?) and 'V2xx1' for LPs. AMCKen (talk) 07:57, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing '2001' as a reference to the film? After Tubular Bells the sequence continued upwards from V2001 (V2002 was Gong's 'Flying Teapot') with the odd variation. AFAIK, there were never any V1xxx albums. Singles were VS-1xx. Halmyre (talk) 17:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number what? 

message: Hit #1 in Canada before any other country? AMCKen (talk) 07:57, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it'll just be a regional variation of the standard quad mix, or a variation thereof. It's not going to be a different version Halmyre (talk) 20:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Charting

message: Reference to "Jeff Leig (flute)".... this should be 'Geoff Leigh" surely? Of Henry Cow fame - the flautist/sax player who joined the rest of H Cow to back Oldfield on early performances - inc the 1973 BBC broadcast.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.147.59.129 (talk) 18:48, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is indeed Geoff Leigh, but his name was misspelled on the original programme for the performance. I will add a note about this when the article is updated. Richard3120 (talk) 01:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Live Performance" section 

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message: I've been binge-watching The Exorcist recently. It had been a while since I'd seen it, and the first few times through I was really surprised by how Tubular Bells is NOT a major presence in the film. In my memory, it was playing as Father Merrin arrives at the MacNeil home, bathed in that shaft of light. But in reality it plays for a few moments as Ellen Burstyn walks through a sunny Georgetown afternoon, and in the background on two or three other very brief instances. Anyhow... after thinking of it as "the Exorcist theme" since I was a teenager I'm now curious as to how what is - at most - a few moments of incidental music became one of the most iconic musical themes in movie history. PurpleChez (talk) 03:30, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right – as it states in the text, it is only played twice in the whole film, and both times it's for only a few seconds. But such is its association with the film now, and as a recognisable motif for "scary moment coming up" in so many TV shows and films since, it's worth mentioning. Richard3120 (talk) 13:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "use in The Exorcist" section 

message: Earlier versions of article had info about 2009 editions https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tubular_Bells&oldid=1046820232#Track_listing  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.22.35.71 (talk) 15:07, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they were unsourced - all information on Wikipedia must come from verifiable sources. Also, it's not very important to list every single release version of an album - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a listings directory: see WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Richard3120 (talk) 16:22, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

text: How did the 2009 editions vary? Why were they notable? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why were all informations about rereleases removed from article? 

message: Was the amount of instruments (28) a record in itself for Mike oldfield during the making of tubular bells Nicolausbovill72 (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea, but I doubt it... I'm sure classical music albums have far more instruments on them. You'll have to be more specific. Richard3120 (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  World record 

message: Tubular Bells was also remade by the 80’s Goth-Synth band  Book Of Love. 2601:645:E7E:1250:24CB:4FE9:BEA:3D3E (talk) 03:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: But if it isn't notable, then it's not worth mentioning - it needs to pass WP:SONGCOVER. Richard3120 (talk) 19:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also done by Book Of Love