Talk:Citrus

message: Was that edit so bad that it needed to be reverted? The anonymous editor added several scientific names, and most of the entries looked genuine. Was all of it wrong? --DannyWilde 13:49, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted addition of non-citrus

message: No, Trifoliate orange and Kumquat should not be merged with Citrus. Melchoir 02:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fortunella and Poncirus are distinct genera and should have separate articles. — TheKMantalk 02:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, on the basis of genetic evidence these two genera should be merged into Citrus (refs: Mabberley, D. J. 1997. A classification for edible Citrus (Rutaceae). Telopea 7 (2): 167–172; Mabberley, D. J. 1998. Australian Citreae (Rutaceae) with notes on other Aurantioideae (Rutaceae). Telopea 7: 333–344.). That doesn't mean that their wiki pages should also be merged, as they remain distinct species within an expanded genus Citrus, though they should be linked from here in the Citrus species list. Something I've been meaning to do for a while, but it's a big editing job! - MPF 13:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. So, does the new genus Citrus encompass the old (as in Swingle and Reece 1967) subtribe Citrinae of 13 genera, or the old tribe Citreae of 28 genera, or just the 3 we've been talking about...? Melchoir 13:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to check on that. Unfortunately, the Telopea website was down when I tried to access it just now (seems to happen quite often! - it maybe only operates during Australian office hours or something like that) - MPF 14:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also de Araújo et al. (2003) What is Citrus? Taxonomic implications from a study of cp-DNA evolution in the tribe Citreae (Rutaceae subfamily Aurantioideae). Organisms Diversity & Evolution 3 (1): 55-62 abstract (unfortunately one of those annoying journals where you have to fork out your life savings to get an 8 page article :-(( so I'll not be able to read it - MPF 22:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposals 

message: Ive recently made the article ponderosa lemon but I was unsure about the the latin name. Ive put it as C.limon at the moment but i dont know. Any ideas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjwebb (talk • contribs) 
:How about Citrus medica × Citrus ×limon?--Curtis Clark 13:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ponderosa lemon

message: the HP (consumer gardening books publisher) _Citrus_ has ripening time range charts. and IIRC if in coastal climate, with collection of certain cvs of citrus, you can have some ripening throughout the year (or near that). Lance Walheim (UC Riverside www.google.com/search?q=Lance+Walheim+UC+Riverside) contributed to the book, so i think the ripen charts should be accurate (excepting possible publishing errors!) --2z2z 09:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "ripen time" too narrow, imo.  needs editing for growing locale? 

message: http://www.google.com/search?q=calamansi+juice+rop+%7C+pilipino+%7C+philippines
or is calamansi juice too regional? --2z2z 14:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  add calamansi to 'limeade' sentence in 'culinary' section? 

message: Kinnow needs taxobox and species. Badagnani 17:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kinnow]] 

message: The citrus relative Triphasia trifolia needs taxobox and more info. Badagnani 02:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Triphasia trifolia]]

message: The shatkora, a Bengali lime-like citrus fruit, needs an article and species name. Badagnani 20:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shatkora info needed

message: Can anyone tell me which citrus are hybrids (or have hybrid ancestors) and which are naturally evolved species? And what are the ancestors of the hybrids & hybrid species? I'd appreciate it if someone filled in the blanks, and added "species" if there were any more (No complex, recent & completely domestic hybrids like the clementine or the eremolemon). - Wyvern J. Wynderunner 21:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citrus taxonomy 

message: The Vietnamese cam sành (whose rind is bright green, but flesh is bright orange)photo is variously called C. nobilis, C. reticulata, and C. sinensis, as well as various hybrids of the aforementioned species. Does anyone have solid information on which of these is correct? Badagnani 07:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need species name 

message: See Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 26 Badagnani (talk) 19:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion review for Category:Japanese citrus

message: I posted this over on Limequat, but thought there might be more attention paid to this page, and I assume that the problems I note below might apply to the many other hybrid citruses. 
Limequat is listed as "Species: Citrus X Fortunella", which is a hybrid formula for a genus, not a species. Citrofortunella is another way to describe the hybrid genus, with limequat listed on that page as "Citrofortunella x floridana". List of Rutaceae genera doesn't include hybrid genera (e.g. Citrofortunella). Kumquat treats Fortunella as a subgenus of Citrus (in which case, the limequat genus would be a pretty straightforward "Citrus"). Obviously, the hybrid citruses can be named in a number of ways, but it would be good to pick a consistent standard (i.e., using either hybrid formula "Citrus x Fortunella" or condensed formula "Citrofortunella"), as well as making sure taxonomy is consistent across different (e.g., not having "Fortunella" listed as a subgenus on some pages and a genus on others)
63.78.97.2 (talk) 22:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistent Hybrid Nomenclature

message: I see no mention here of an Indian citrus fruit named Shatkora. It is a culinary favourite amongst people of the Indian subcontinent  and is perhaps worth including. Saajan99 (talk) 14:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shatkora 

message: It is my understanding that Citrus inflorescences (at least C. sinensis) are cymose and not corymbs. This is also stated in "Biology of Citrus" by P. Spiegel-Roy and E.E. Goldschmidt.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.23.2.37 (talk) 22:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citrus inflorescences - cymes? 

message: The ranking of countries by citrus fruit production is shockingly wrong. Just look for the separated production ranking of each fruit, it simply doesn't match. If you take the features for orange, you can see that a lot of countries that are not on the list here (like Brazil, USA, Mexico) produce more oranges than the total citrus fruits that Nigeria (the 1st ranked here) produces.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.55.122.187 (talk) 17:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Producers 

message: Another important use of citrus fruits is the production of essential oils and this is not mentioned at all; in fact the presence of these volatile compounds in the exocarp is one of the hallmark features of a hesperidium!  Seems a very big thing to overlook!  These essential oils are used for all sorts of purposes, from aromatherapy (medicine) to household cleaners (remember orange-GLO, everyone?).  I'm not sure how I would write this section myself, but I thought I would make note of it so those of you who are more savvy about Wikipedia's editing policies and such can work on it. 75.167.112.163 (talk) 00:57, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Citrus Fruits and Essential Oils

message: The recent addition of this "cultivar" brings up a larger problem. I've changed the Naartjie page to update the taxonomy, but there is quite a tangle here. I've requested that the redirect at Citrus unshiu be deleted, so that Satsuma (fruit) can be moved there. Hopefully we'll soon be able to achieve a readable and detailed account of this species. Nadiatalent (talk) 14:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Naartjie

message: The Plant list, produced by Kew and Missouri Botanical Gardens, has placed many of the old style hybrids listed in this article as separate species, based on WCSP reviews, see http://www.theplantlist.org/browse/A/Rutaceae/Citrus/. Therefore should we not follow these authoritative sources and edit both the names in the article and the titles of the relevant other articles. It would be nice to see plants treated as plants first and as items occasionally used for people as subsidiary to that.Brunswicknic (talk) 14:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision of species naming 

message: I removed the text on the use of a cedar cone during sukkot. Other than this one book, which does not reference a primary source, I was unable to further verify this claim.
Ehgarrick (talk) 21:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cedar Cone 

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message: Bits of this are shamefully illiterate. Like the following: "King Louis XIV of France housed citrus in orangeries, to protect the tropical fruit to be grown in the 1600s France." This is meant to be an encyclopaedia, not a blog or a chat group. I'm not an expert on the subject or I'd try to clean it up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.181.141 (talk) 12:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illiterate 

message: I added the 2018 citation for the evolutionary origin of citrus. I am methodically going through the recent citrus literature, and finding that there is great botanical complexity, with some apparent contradictions and lack of consensus in the literature. This is perhaps reflected in this wikipedia citrus article. We need a botanist familiar with citrus genetics to help sort this out. If there were a recent comprehensive review article that incorporates the findings of Wu et al, that would be very helpful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbelknap (talk • contribs) 17:57, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for update of this article 

message: In this edit, we have two contested statements.
: One concerns the native range of citrus species. User:Mark Marathon demands a citation for the statement, “Citrus plants are native to subtropical and tropical regions of Asia, Island Southeast Asia, and Near Oceania…” with explanation that the article also notes “Australasia” as the range. The citation by Wu as already given includes the “second radiation” across the Wallace Line into Australia, so I assume Australia went missing due to its lack of participation in the “first” domestication. I have reworded, and deleted any claim to “first” domestication, since the source only discusses on domestication (mandarin oranges) with no claim of that being the first.
: The second avers that there is a contradiction in the statement Citrus plants diverged from a common ancestor about 15 million years ago, which was about when it diverged from the closely related severinia, for example the Chinese box orange. About 7 million years ago, citrus plants diverged into two groups, the main citrus genus and the ancestors of the trifoliate orange (Poncirus trifoliata). There is no contradiction. The article does not state that citrus originated from Severinia; it means that Citrus evolved from its ancestor Citreae about the same time that Severinia evolved from the same ancestor Citreae. Much later, Citrinae diverged into two groups: those that led to modern citrus, and those that led to Poncirus. Hence, the article does not claim that citrus originated with either Servinius or Poncirus. I have deleted the “which” template and reworded. Strebe (talk) 03:09, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Contested statements

message: These "Further reading" sources are years-to-decades old, so moving here to archive. --Zefr (talk) 15:23, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t understand your justification. Years old? So what? (I agree the list is too long, contains tangential material, and otherwise needs curating.) Strebe (talk) 21:57, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of these sources are redundant with those used as references in the article, and meet several criteria of WP:ELNO. I think the Janick-Purdue source actually is good for its comprehensive images, so will replace it. --Zefr (talk) 22:30, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated reading for the archive 

message: A large aount of south Affricans speak English too so call it the Makrut lime.2A00:23C6:708D:A901:6991:2291:1204:8F48 (talk) 20:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The K-word is offensive in South Africa 

message: Some texts describe a "disbuttoning" process, the removal of the button from a fruit, which helps to prevent the spread of fungus. Can someone tell me exactly what the "button" is on a fruit? Please ping/alert me. Thanks. 2A00:23C5:FE18:2700:7894:E73E:8630:EEB8 (talk) 10:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the "button" of a citrus fruit?