Talk:Capital punishment in China

message: Without any information, the picture seems to support a POV due to its brutal nature.  What is the picture about? What year was this? What was the person guilty of? etc etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.252.33 (talk) 10:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture? 

message: What are all those question marks in paranthesis (sp?) doing sprinkled through the article?
I think that either they or the sentences they belong to, if they cannot be verified, should be removed. Brutulf 18:50, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
:They are Chinese characters for the phrases used in the article. If you only see question marks then it means that your computer does not have the correct character set to display them. Evil Monkey∴Hello 05:50, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
:: I see. Do you know where I could get those fonts? Brutulf 11:40, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
::: FYI- My Windows XP Pro SP2, with Firefox Browser, displays them fine with no special sfw. Commking May 7 2005
:: Control Panel, Regional and Language Options, Languages, make sure you've got the East Asia fonts installed. SchmuckyTheCat 14:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question marks 

message: This sentence could be misinterpreted: "China is one of the few countries now using capital punishment, and its rate of executions is disproportionately more common than in any other."
I'd suggest that its changed to "... and its number of executions is higher than any other."  Iran, Iraq and Sudan all execute more people each year per capita than China, although China has a higher total number of executions because of its larger population.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiembrown (talk • contribs) 21:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of Opening Paragraph 

message: If the PRC does not abolish capital punishment within the next 25 years, We can never hope to be a respected world power, never mind a superpower. THe West will continue to walk all over us, as we will be thought of as a barbaric laughingstock of the world, a nation that never fully emerged from the middle ages.
64.222.124.107 (talk) 22:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, nobody will respect China for that reason, just like nobody respect US.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.175.217 (talk) 16:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: CAPITAL PUNISHMENT is the Achilles' heel of the PRC

message: Article makes reference to 68 death penalty crimes but BBC reports the number is now 55. Have not changed as I don't know if the list of crimes being referenced is still correct.
87.112.178.244 (talk) 14:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: In this change  of the lead, Shrigley changed the emphasis, broadly speaking, to be from death penalty used "for a wide variety of crimes ranging from tax evasion to aggravated murder and drug trafficking" to "usually administered to offenders of serious and violent crimes." My first question is: Do we have evidence that the death penalty is usually administered to offenders of serious and violent crimes? Secondly, do we have evidence that the broad emphasis of reliable sources, when reporting on the death penalty in China, emphasize the way the death penalty is applied in serious and violent crimes, or do they emphasize how it is applied for a "wide variety of crimes ranging from tax evasion... [etc.]" and including violent and serious crimes. The Washington Post article linked obviously emphasizes the latter aspect. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 22:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no defense for this change of emphasis was proffered I have reverted it and expect discussion on further changes of this nature. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 15:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that while I pointed this out and fixed it, the fact that I only pointed this out and dealt with it is not a tacit message that I believe other changes conform to relevant content policies - I didn't have time to check them. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 15:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: AGF, please. I didn't see this discussion and was otherwise preoccupied on Wikipedia, for reasons which you are very well aware. First thing: WP:LEAD states that the lead should be a summary of the contents of the article. In the body, I summarized and paraphrased the Scobell source, which actually says:  Perhaps you could fault the source for being outdated, but my reading of Trevaskes (2008), and the statements I cite to it about recent policy reform, show an unmistakable trend towards reducing death sentences for nonserious, nonviolent crimes. We should base our emphasis on hard data in academic sources, and not on fuzzy impressions of prurient press pieces or hysterical advocacy groups. Shrigley (talk) 16:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not assume bad faith so there is no need to quote the policy. I suggest that a couple of those sources be used as the reference for this point in the lead rather than the Washington Post article - since this was the source used, I thought it didn't quite fit. You've clarified the matter (again, further research and evidence may lead to a different discussion and consensus of course). Also, there is little need for you insert your opinions in describing press reports you don't like. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 16:31, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question of emphasis 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

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message: "Chairman Mao Zedong of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and his government somewhat glorified, to an extent, the death penalty's transient place in the legal system, ".  I'd fix it if I had any idea what it means or should say.   Or a reference.  Midgley (talk) 15:11, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scrambled phrase: meaning impenetrable. 

message: : I would like to expand the sections on “Reform,” “Support,” and “Criticism” in order to give article readers a sense of the current reality of capital punishment in China and the international community’s actions and concerns regarding this. I would also like to add more the reasoning behind China’s support for capital punishment. 
MYao (talk) 05:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible revision

message: Some sources I plan on using for editing the article:
"Death Penalty 2015: Facts and Figures." Death Penalty 2015: Facts and Figures. N.p., n.d. Web. 14 Feb. 2017. This website gives global figures in 2015 regarding the death penalty. It states that executions in China were in the thousands.
Hildebrandt, S. "Capital Punishment and Anatomy: History and Ethics of an Ongoing Association." Clinical Anatomy 21.1 (2007): 5-14. Web. This article mentions the lack of ethical and legal restrictions on using the bodies of the executed for medical purposes. There is also documentation on the harvesting of organs from the executed.
Hood, R. "Capital Punishment: A Global Perspective." Punishment & Society 3.3 (2001): 331-54. Web. This article discusses the global movement towards abolishing capital punishment and explains to some extent the defiance of countries that still retain the death penalty in the face of international pressure.
Jiang, Shanhe, and Jin Wang. "Correlates of Support for Capital Punishment in China." International Criminal Justice Review 18.1 (2008): 24-38. Web. This article gives an insight into the public's view on capital punishment. The study showed that the surveyed college students had a strong support for capital punishment.
Liang, B. "Sources of Variation in Pro-Death Penalty Attitudes in China: An Exploratory Study of Chinese Students at Home and Abroad." British Journal of Criminology 46.1 (2005): 119-30. Web. The article examines the attitudes of students in China in regards to the death penalty.
Miao, Michelle. "Capital Punishment in China: A Populist Instrument of Social Governance." Theoretical Criminology 17.2 (2013): 233-50. Web. The article discusses establishing political party legitimacy using capital punishment.
Ning, Zhang. "The Political Origins of Death Penalty Exceptionalism: Mao Zedong and the Practice of Capital Punishment in Contemporary China." Punishment & Society 10.2 (2008): 117-36. Web. This article discusses how Mao Zedong affected the current Communist legal system.
Scobell, Andrew. "The Death Penalty in Post-Mao China." The China Quarterly 123 (1990): 503. Web. Capital punishment has had a long history in China and remains an integral part of the Chinese legal system.
MYao (talk) 02:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a lot of the recent updates to the article are very well done. The updates provide more information on the subject as a whole as especially about how capital punishment is seen in a more public light. I think that it provides a nice perspective in looking at how capital punishment came to be widely accepted and why it is still widely accepted. For the next iteration, I would suggest working on the lead section of the article to better summarize and catch the reader’s attention. Additionally, I think it would be very beneficial to add more peer reviewed sources throughout the article to increase the credibility and long term reliability of the page as a whole. The recent updates are very necessary to the article and I think it is very important to keep the current mindset when improving the article further. Great job! Jmarrs94 (talk) 02:54, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: Great work on this article! You have included a lot of scholarly sources from a variety of perspectives that lead to a broad and nuanced coverage of the issue. I am particularly impressed by the “support” and “criticism” sections. Two areas that the article could be improved is in neutrality (especially in the “rates of execution” section) and readability (especially in the “legal procedure” and “executions procedure” sections). I’ve included some specific suggestions in the peer review document. Overall, great job with this article! I’m impressed and look forward to reading the rest of your work.Rjpg12 (talk) 02:07, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 2 

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message: This is a wildly confusing paragraph: "Amnesty International claims that Mainland China executes more people than all other countries combined,[9] though if China's very large population is taken into account, the number of executions per capita is comparable to Vietnam and Thailand, and much lower than several countries, including Saudi Arabia, Iran and the United States....According to the Dui Hua Foundation, a U.S.-based organization, the estimated number of executions has declined steadily in the twenty-first century, from 12,000 each year to supposedly 2,400"  The US executes less than 100 people per year, and averages more like 40-50 in the past decade or two.  On a per capita basis that would be equivalent to about 200 people per year in China, or at most 400 people in peak years, which is way less than the 2,400 that the Dui Hua Foundation attributes to China. Jess_Riedel (talk)
:Hi. The first part of the sentence which relates the China info with other countries has been changed from the original by vandalism. I know, because I spent a great deal of time finding the right info and digging up proper sources for it as well. It is an issue where proper sources is hard to come by, so it is both disturbing and very annoying that the fake info has been up for so long here. I have reverted it now. 
: The last part of the sentence is something new. And I agree that it is almost meaningless. It hints that the page is currently a minor battleground for vandalism with a political slant. I hope we can stop this. RhinoMind (talk) 13:42, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing sentence 

message: Would be nice if a table could be used to show the change per year here. 2A02:8388:1600:A200:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F (talk) 09:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table / Statistics