Talk:FC Bayern Munich/Archive 2

message: Since a millennium is 1000 years (and a very long time), shouldn't it be "Beginning of the 21st century"? Kingjeff 22:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah. That was the big buzz then. Everybody was calling it the turn of the millennium, not the turn of the century. Don't get the chance very often, so best to indulge yourself. Besides, millennium sounds cooler! :)   Wiggy! 22:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Beginning of the new millennium section

message: I kindly request you to leave historical issue more to me. Dombi moved on to Feijenoord is more correct than fled to Feijenoord. He did not fo either. For keeping the history short moved on will' do. His next job was actually with FC Basel - and he did not flee. When I have time I shall write the Bio of Dombi, alias Kohn, a quite remarkable figure in the history of the game. I just have at this moment not the time for it. Before that I will finish eg., Hennes Weisweiler. But not just now. I have also got other things to do. Having read a couple of articles re Nazis and football does not quite maketh the expert. 
I believe, I have a very deep understanding of the club and its history and published in my lifetime quite a bit with regards to it.
If you want to wank yourself dry about Nazi football do something useful, make contributions to the Schalke Schalke and "TSV 1860 Munich" (nice web site to it on the web pre-existing) pages, or document international matches of that era. 
This is all meant with friendship and in a cordial spirit.
I myself, in between, will hopefully be able to get the Bayern Munich page to a foremost standard, collate facts, and wahack them into an eventually presentable form with a suitable narrative accompanyment.
Cheers,
Oalexander-En 17:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some input from other players would be useful to resolving this, please. Pipe up folks.  Wiggy! 18:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: May I suggest that all changes to the History before World War II section are thoroughly discussed here first, with an opportunity for third parties to contribute? If things are taken a bit more slowly it'll hopefully stop the edit war which appears to be in progress. Oldelpaso 19:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is what I was hoping for when I invited input. And no, Oa, your approach has not been co-operative. It's been abrasive and inconsiderate. Appointing yourself as THE expert on the club is high-handed. And while the attempt is good, the language of the article is weak. It doesn't carry the tone of an encyclopedia and is full of mistakes related to tense, sentence structure and common usage. Encyclopedia articles as a rule don't use a lot of exclamation marks and florid language. I repeat - its an encyclopedia, not a fan page and should read that way. Your history may be good, but at a minimum the writing style needs help.  Wiggy! 19:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't have a basic issue with the facts laid down. The content has been generally consistent, but that doesn't bar others from adding to the body of fact in the work. However, the writing isn't even close to Featured Article standards. If going FA is an objective, the writing needs to be fixed. It's important to allow broader participation and take advantage of the various strengths of all the contributors. I don't see that in spirit or in fact. So, without putting words in your mouth, I guess I'm I agreeing with you.  Wiggy! 21:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: @ Wiggy

message: Bayern, beyond the elimination of Jews from its ranks, did not suffer any particular obvious pressures. Party appointed presidents were not running it before 1938. The successors of Landauer where non-jewish, but else bona fide up to then.
:German football under the Nazis was different from what German football had previously been. All clubs came under some measure of political pressure. Some were disbanded or restructured to be politically tame entities. The league structure was significantly altered. The regime had a deliberate policy of bending social institutions, including sports and football clubs, to their objectives. The Allies deliberate deconstruction of German organizations "contaminated" by the Nazi's immediately after the war during the occupation had a direct effect on German football clubs. To say the club suffered no ill effects "beyond the elimination of Jews from its ranks" utterly flies in the face of the lessons of that period of history. Football teams were not the engine of the regimes policies, but like the rest of the country they certainly were caught up in it. Some teams, like Bayern and Alemania, were able to stand up in some way to the tide and should receive some recognition for it. They entry acknowledges the impact on Bayern and German society in general of the country's darkest period.
:The material is relevant to the history of German football in a broad sense and not just to the history of the club. I can't see skipping it.
:And sign your name, please.  Wiggy! 17:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While it needs to be said, I can't see it necessary to belabour the thing. Reference in the context of a club's history is sufficient I think.  Wiggy! 18:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bayern under the Nazis

message: ... did not flee to the Netherlands. This is factually wrong!!! He moved on - but certainly did flee in the sense of fleeing from immediate personal danger. Can you leave the shyte as is and maybe do some research.
Oalexander-En 17:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Richard Dombi

message: The content has by now successfully transormed from a quasi fan-page to NPOV content. Most of the things worth consigning to the knowledge of posterity have been added by now. There is still a major issue to deal with:
*Content length: This will be handled by summarising the content of "History" and whacking the long verison on a seperate page FC Bayern Munich  - History
Once this is done the content will be restructured and put into a order as found in recommended pertinent articles (eg. IFK Göteborg, Arsenal FC)
This means, we will end up with somethin like
*History
*Club Honours
*Players
*Coaches
*Stadium
etc., in a yet to determined sequence.
Further emphasis will be put on filling the blanks. This means if an item (eg., a name) is worth linking from the page it is worth writing an article to it. No more shining red links!!!
I myself, beyond dealing with some issues on the Bayern Munich page, have since added articles to Jupp Heynckes, "Czik" Cajkovski, William Townley and others.
There are still many other and rewarding topic to be found: Franz Roth (here research might be focussing if there is another player out there who has decided with a single goal two European finals - by all means ans interesting player), Wilhelm Neudecker, the father of the modern FC Bayern, Richard Dombi (Hungarian, played for Austria, created Feyenoord Rotterdam as we know it, Bayerns first championship coach), Branko Zebec who won with some other club the UEFA Cup, before succeeding big-time as  coach in Germany, Dettmar Cramer, Germany's globe-trotting coach, Max Merkel, Pal Csernai, Uli Hoeness, etc.
It s all about acquiring specialist knowledge: adopt a guy, decide to love him or hate him - and most impoerantly, find out everything about him you can, and write it up for a global audience. For me, not being a natural scientist, Wikipedia is all about an opportunity of document the past so that  ensuing generations can reconstruct it perfectly, and at ease. 
I am not sure if anybody has any idea, how long it took me to research the first of the great coaches in Germany, Wiliam Townley. It is a project still not yet finished, and it cost me tons of hours, and I am still working on it. Just yesterday I found out about his engagement with Eintracht Hannover.
Beyond fixing up typos, there is a lot left to do.
Cheers to all.
Oalexander-En 16:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oalexander, You may find the Football Club Manual of Style useful. Most of the records and statistics at the bottom should go to Statistics of Bayern Munich. Oldelpaso
Will all happen before the end of this week (ie., Fri 10 Feb 2005).
Oalexander-En 15:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement Drive - State of Affairs 

message: This refers to new stuff that goes onto this page here, should be added to the top for immediate visibility, unless they refer to subjects already listed. This takes care that old stuff goes more and more down into the storage cellar and out of sight. Word of the day: transparency!
Oalexander-En 15:10, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find this somewhat confusing, given that the top of the page says "Place comments that start a new topic at the bottom of the page and give them == A Descriptive Header ==". New discussions at the bottom is recommended by Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Oldelpaso 18:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "Discussion" Entries

message: I have removed the little stories to the players, as all that stuff should be available from their respective wikipedia articles or other context. It was not not necessary to double up here.
Oalexander-En 15:10, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Greatest Players Ever" section

message: They had these shiny red links on the Bayern page. I since have written articles for both:
*William Townley
*Jupp Heynckes
Football history buffs (not only Bayern fans!), will be particularly fond of the Townley one!
Oalexander-En 15:10, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coaches William Townley and Jupp Heynckes

message: The entry for Bayern has now experienced a significant consolidation. The content length is more in line with Wikipedia guidelines, and even more importantly, the content has been transformed from a more fan-site-typical make up to a more bread and butter facts based type of situation.
It is still far from being anywhere near perfect. Thus, the next days will see a further streamlining of the content and a more user friendly structuring. I am aware that there are also still a few typos around: whoever finds one may keep it, or even better fix it.
Further attempts will be made to further increase the number of hard facts for the target audience.
Let's see, if in the end the price for the most improved page can be garnered!
Oalexander-En 21:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Changes (February 3, 2006)

message: Removed due to lack of relevance. The team doctor is mentioned. In the end, would it be desirable to mention that Matthäus screwed his daughter?
Oalexander-En 19:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Facts and trivia

message: Bayern has NO nick. "FC Hollywood" was temporary jargon of the press some ten years ago, "Bazis" did not really catch on, and "Bayern", well that's the name of the team, but no nickname. What else should they call it? "Borussia"". No nick is no nick.
Oalexander-En 18:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club Nickname 

message: Somehow interesting, but both sections were well exceeding the scope of the environment.
Oalexander-En 18:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retired players in new functions & Corporate social responsibility

message: Maybe at some stage of the future, maybe ofter the Kaiser becomes UEFA president. Up to now he is the president and chairman of the supervisory board. KH Rummenigge is chairman of the executive board. BTW: in German corporate hierarchy the supervisory board ("Aufsichtsrat") is above the executive board ("Geschäftsleitung").
Oalexander-En 14:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rummenigge President? 

message: Some might feel so, but everything proceed in line with the association's (DFB) outline for the league. At very best the term "controversy" is applicable. Everything else is falsification of history.
Oalexander-En 14:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1963 not in the Bundesliga - Injustice?

message: Up to about 1971 it was called the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, or Messepokal in German.
Oalexander-En 14:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UEFA Cup 1962 

message: Terms like "goalie" are not really appropriate for an encyclopaedia article.
Oalexander-En 12:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Language

message: The inclusion of the reserve squad exceeds the scope an encyclopaedia article. Who, but the bravest Bayern fans should be interested? 
Oalexander-En 12:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reserve Squad

message: 212.187.155.156 thinks Uli Hoeness is the manager. I think Felix Magath is the manager. Let's vote for who the manager is. Kingjeff 04:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote for manager

message: *Support Kingjeff 04:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Felix Magath

message: There's been no arguments for either of the sides, so let's get some information before going into a vote. At the Bayern hompage Magath is named "Head Coach" while Hoeness is "Deputy Chairman Executive Board" - subordinate to Rummenigge who is "Chairman Executive Board" so as I see it Hoeness is the "assistant" of Rummenigge and not manager in his own right. Also, all other Bundesliga clubs have the head coach as "manager" apart from Schalke 04 where Rudi Assauer is clearly stated as "manager" on the clubs website. So, I don't think you should bother with a vote and just change it back to Magath. If the editor wants to change it some arguments will have to surface from his side. Poulsen 11:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Can we get individual players into a table? It'll look much better. Kingjeff 18:07, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Honours for Players

message: The history section could use some clean-up, especially the most current subsection (renewed international success). The problem with that subsection is that for the last couple of years it has always been updated after the season and thus lacks a sense of what was historically relevant and what not so much. It almost reads like a list of titles. There is a bunch of sentences like this one "In the 2010–11 season, Bayern were eliminated in the first round of the Champions League knockout phase by Inter Milan on the away goals rule and finished third in the Bundesliga". This is obviously fine on its own, but is the content relevant? The next sentence is "Van Gaal was fired by Bayern in April 2011." It's not even clear if one relates to the other. At the same time the subsection misses key incindents like major signings (Robert Lewandowski most prominently).
I have made a draft for a new version. It would be titled 'Robbery' because of the way the signing of Ribery and Robben has defined the recent past of the club and that's the name the press has given them. Maybe the title is too confusing for casual readers though. Keep in mind it's a draft, I did not care to link everything or provide references. Do you think the content is what should be there or is something missing/some parts to verbose?
==== Robbery ====
For the 2007–08 season, Bayern made drastic squad changes to help rebuild. They signed a total of eight new players and sold, released or loaned out nine of their players.[41] Among new signings were 2006 World Cup stars such as Franck Ribéry, Miroslav Klose and Luca Toni. Bayern went on to win the Bundesliga in convincing fasion, leading the standings on every single week of play, and the DFB-Pokal against Borussia Dortmund.
After the season Bayern's long-term goalkeeper Oliver Kahn retired which left the club without a top-tier goalkeeper for several seasons. The club's coach Ottmar Hitzfeld also retired and Jürgen Klinsmann was chosen as his successor for the 2008-09 season. However, Klinsmann was sacked even before the end of his first season as Bayern trailed Wolfsburg in the league, had lost the Quarterfinal of the DFB-Pokal to Bayer Leverkusen, and had been made
look silly in the Quarterfinal of the Champions League when FC Barcelona scored four times in the first half of the first leg and over the course of both legs Bayern never looked like they could keep up. Jupp Heynckes was named caretaker coach and led the club to a second place finish in the league.
For the 2009-10 Bayern hired Dutch manager Louis van Gaal. The team was reinforced with signings of Mario Gomez and Arjen Robben. Robben alongside Ribery would go on to shape Bayern’s playing style of attacking over the wings for the next ten years. The press quickly dubbed the duo ‚Robbery‘. In addition to these signings van Gaal promoted Thomas Müller and Holger Badstuber to the first team early in the season. With Müller he even went so far as to announce ‚with me, Müller always plays‘ which has become a much referenced phrase over the years. On the pitch Bayern had its most successful season since 2001, securing the domestic double and losing only in the final of the Champions League to Inter Milan 2-0. Despite the successful 2009-10 campaign van Gaal was fired in April 2011 as Bayern was trailing in the league and eliminated in the first knockout round of the Champions League. Van Gaal’s second in command, Andries Jonkers, took over and finished the season in third place.
Jupp Heynckes returned for his second permanent spell in the 2011-12 season. Although the club had signed Manuel Neuer, ending Bayern's quest for an adequate substitute for Kahn, and Jerome Boateng for the season, Bayern stayed without title for the second season in a row, coming in second to Borussia Dortmund in the league and the cup. The Champions League final was held at the Allianz and Bayern indeed reached the final in their home stadium, but lost the ‚Finale dahoam‘ as they had termed it to Chelsea on penalties.
For the 2012-13 season Bayern signed Javi Martinez for €40 Mio, the highest the club had ever paid for any player. After Bayern had finished as runner-up to all titles in 2011-12 Bayern won all titles in 2012-13, setting various Bundesliga records along the way, and becoming the first German team to win the treble. Bayern finished the Bundesliga on 91 points, only 11 points shy of a perfect season, and to date still the best season ever played. In what was Bayern’s third Champions League final appearance within four years they beat Borussia Dortmund 1-0. A week later they completed the treble by winning the DFB-Pokal final over VfB Stuttgart. During the season, in January, Bayern had already announced that they would hire Pep Guardialo as coach for the 2013-14 season. Originally the club presented this as Heynckes retiring on the expiration of his contract, but Uli Hoeneß later admitted, that it was not Heynckes's decision to leave Bayern at the end of the season. It was actually forced by the club's desire to appoint Guardiola.
For the 2013-14 season Bayern transferred Mario Götze from Borussia Dortmund and fulfilled Guardiola’s wish of signing Tiago Alcantara from FC Barcelona. Guardiola’s first season started off well with Bayern extending a streak of undefeated league matches from the last season to 53 matches. The eventual loss to Augsburg came two match days after Bayern had already claimed the league title. During the season Bayern had also claimed two other titles, the FIFA Club World Cup and the UEFA Super Cup, the latter being the last major trophy the club had not yet won. Bayern also won the cup to complete their tenth domestic double, but lost in the semi-final of the Champions League to FC Barcelona. Off the pitch Bayern’s president Uli Hoeneß was convicted of tax evasion on 13 March 2014 and sentenced to three and a half years in prison. Hoeneß resigned the next day. Vice-president Karl Hopfner was elected president on 2 May.
Before the 2014-15 season Bayern picked up Robert Lewandowski after his contract had ended at Borussia Dortmund, and loaned out Xabi Alonso from Real Madrid. Bayern also let Toni Kroos leave for Real Madrid. Club icon’s Bastian Schweinsteiger and Claudio Pizarro left before the 2015-16 season. In these two seasons Bayern defended their league title, including another double in 2014-15, but failed to advance past the semi-finals in the Champions League, which led to disappointment on the club’s periphery as the expectation had been that Guardiola would lead the club to their fifth Champions League title. Although the club’s leadership tried to convice Guardiola to stay, the coach decided not to extend his three-year contract.
Carlo Ancelotti was hired as successor to Guardiola. The key transfer for the 2016-17 campaign was Mats Hummels from Borussia Dortmund. Off the pitch Uli Hoeneß had been released early from prison and reelected as president in November 2016. Under Ancelotti Bayern claimed their fifth consecutive league title, but did not win the cup or the Champions League. In July 2017 Bayern announced that 1860 Munich would leave the Allianz for good as the club had been relegated to the 4th division. Before the 2017-18 season Bayern made extensive changes to their squad, signing amongst others young prospects such as Kingsley Coman, Corentin Tolisso, Serge Gnabry and Niklas Süle, and loaning James Rodriguez from Real. Meanwhile the club’s captain, Philipp Lahm, and Xabi Alonso retired and several other players left the club. As Bayern’s performances were perceived to be more and more lackluster Ancelotti was sacked after a 3-0 loss to Paris St. Germain in the Champions League, early in his second season. Willy Sagnol took over as interim manager for a week before it was announced that Jupp Heynckes would finish the season in his fourth spell at the club. During the season the club urged Heynckes —even publicly— to extend his contract, but club Heynckes, aged 73, stayed firm that he would retire for good after the season. The club began a long and extensive search to find a replacement for Heynckes. Eventually Niko Kovac was presented as Heynckes’s successor, signing a three-year contract. Heynckes led the club to another championship. In the cup final, Heynckes last match as coach, Heynckes met his successor on the pitch. Kovac’s Eintacht Frankfurt denied Bayern the title, winning 3-1.
Kovac’s first season at the club started slow with Bayern falling behind Dortmund in the league throughout the first half of the season. In contrast to similar situations with van Gaal and Ancelotti the club's leadership decided to protect their coach from criticisms, however, and Bayern quickly closed the distance after the winter break. In the Champions League the club was elimanted by FC Liverpool in the round of 16, the first time since 2011 that Bayern did not reach the quarterfinal. During the season Arjen Robben announced that it would be his last season for the club. 
OdinFK (talk) 10:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: For the 2007–08 season, Bayern made drastic squad changes to help rebuild. They signed a total of eight new players and sold, released or loaned out nine of their players.[41] Among new signings were 2006 World Cup stars such as Franck Ribéry, Miroslav Klose and Luca Toni. Bayern went on to win the Bundesliga in convincing fasion, leading the standings on every single week of play, and the DFB-Pokal against Borussia Dortmund.
After the season Bayern's long-term goalkeeper Oliver Kahn retired which left the club without a top-tier goalkeeper for several seasons. The club's coach Ottmar Hitzfeld also retired and Jürgen Klinsmann was chosen as his successor for the 2008-09 season. However, Klinsmann was sacked even before the end of his first season as Bayern trailed Wolfsburg in the league, had lost the Quarterfinal of the DFB-Pokal to Bayer Leverkusen, and had been made
look silly in the Quarterfinal of the Champions League when FC Barcelona scored four times in the first half of the first leg and over the course of both legs Bayern never looked like they could keep up. Jupp Heynckes was named caretaker coach and led the club to a second place finish in the league.
For the 2009-10 Bayern hired Dutch manager Louis van Gaal. The team was reinforced with signings of Mario Gomez and Arjen Robben. Robben alongside Ribery would go on to shape Bayern’s playing style of attacking over the wings for the next ten years. The press quickly dubbed the duo ‚Robbery‘. In addition to these signings van Gaal promoted Thomas Müller and Holger Badstuber to the first team early in the season. With Müller he even went so far as to announce ‚with me, Müller always plays‘ which has become a much referenced phrase over the years. On the pitch Bayern had its most successful season since 2001, securing the domestic double and losing only in the final of the Champions League to Inter Milan 2-0. Despite the successful 2009-10 campaign van Gaal was fired in April 2011 as Bayern was trailing in the league and eliminated in the first knockout round of the Champions League. Van Gaal’s second in command, Andries Jonkers, took over and finished the season in third place.
Jupp Heynckes returned for his second permanent spell in the 2011-12 season. Although the club had signed Manuel Neuer, ending Bayern's quest for an adequate substitute for Kahn, and Jerome Boateng for the season, Bayern stayed without title for the second season in a row, coming in second to Borussia Dortmund in the league and the cup. The Champions League final was held at the Allianz and Bayern indeed reached the final in their home stadium, but lost the ‚Finale dahoam‘ as they had termed it to Chelsea on penalties.
For the 2012-13 season Bayern signed Javi Martinez for €40 Mio, the highest the club had ever paid for any player. After Bayern had finished as runner-up to all titles in 2011-12 Bayern won all titles in 2012-13, setting various Bundesliga records along the way, and becoming the first German team to win the treble. Bayern finished the Bundesliga on 91 points, only 11 points shy of a perfect season, and to date still the best season ever played. In what was Bayern’s third Champions League final appearance within four years they beat Borussia Dortmund 1-0. A week later they completed the treble by winning the DFB-Pokal final over VfB Stuttgart. During the season, in January, Bayern had already announced that they would hire Pep Guardialo as coach for the 2013-14 season. Originally the club presented this as Heynckes retiring on the expiration of his contract, but Uli Hoeneß later admitted, that it was not Heynckes's decision to leave Bayern at the end of the season. It was actually forced by the club's desire to appoint Guardiola.
For the 2013-14 season Bayern transferred Mario Götze from Borussia Dortmund and fulfilled Guardiola’s wish of signing Tiago Alcantara from FC Barcelona. Guardiola’s first season started off well with Bayern extending a streak of undefeated league matches from the last season to 53 matches. The eventual loss to Augsburg came two match days after Bayern had already claimed the league title. During the season Bayern had also claimed two other titles, the FIFA Club World Cup and the UEFA Super Cup, the latter being the last major trophy the club had not yet won. Bayern also won the cup to complete their tenth domestic double, but lost in the semi-final of the Champions League to FC Barcelona. Off the pitch Bayern’s president Uli Hoeneß was convicted of tax evasion on 13 March 2014 and sentenced to three and a half years in prison. Hoeneß resigned the next day. Vice-president Karl Hopfner was elected president on 2 May.
Before the 2014-15 season Bayern picked up Robert Lewandowski after his contract had ended at Borussia Dortmund, and loaned out Xabi Alonso from Real Madrid. Bayern also let Toni Kroos leave for Real Madrid. Club icon’s Bastian Schweinsteiger and Claudio Pizarro left before the 2015-16 season. In these two seasons Bayern defended their league title, including another double in 2014-15, but failed to advance past the semi-finals in the Champions League, which led to disappointment on the club’s periphery as the expectation had been that Guardiola would lead the club to their fifth Champions League title. Although the club’s leadership tried to convice Guardiola to stay, the coach decided not to extend his three-year contract.
Carlo Ancelotti was hired as successor to Guardiola. The key transfer for the 2016-17 campaign was Mats Hummels from Borussia Dortmund. Off the pitch Uli Hoeneß had been released early from prison and reelected as president in November 2016. Under Ancelotti Bayern claimed their fifth consecutive league title, but did not win the cup or the Champions League. In July 2017 Bayern announced that 1860 Munich would leave the Allianz for good as the club had been relegated to the 4th division. Before the 2017-18 season Bayern made extensive changes to their squad, signing amongst others young prospects such as Kingsley Coman, Corentin Tolisso, Serge Gnabry and Niklas Süle, and loaning James Rodriguez from Real. Meanwhile the club’s captain, Philipp Lahm, and Xabi Alonso retired and several other players left the club. As Bayern’s performances were perceived to be more and more lackluster Ancelotti was sacked after a 3-0 loss to Paris St. Germain in the Champions League, early in his second season. Willy Sagnol took over as interim manager for a week before it was announced that Jupp Heynckes would finish the season in his fourth spell at the club. During the season the club urged Heynckes —even publicly— to extend his contract, but club Heynckes, aged 73, stayed firm that he would retire for good after the season. The club began a long and extensive search to find a replacement for Heynckes. Eventually Niko Kovac was presented as Heynckes’s successor, signing a three-year contract. Heynckes led the club to another championship. In the cup final, Heynckes last match as coach, Heynckes met his successor on the pitch. Kovac’s Eintacht Frankfurt denied Bayern the title, winning 3-1.
Kovac’s first season at the club started slow with Bayern falling behind Dortmund in the league throughout the first half of the season. In contrast to similar situations with van Gaal and Ancelotti the club's leadership decided to protect their coach from criticisms, however, and Bayern quickly closed the distance after the winter break. In the Champions League the club was elimanted by FC Liverpool in the round of 16, the first time since 2011 that Bayern did not reach the quarterfinal. During the season Arjen Robben announced that it would be his last season for the club. 
OdinFK (talk) 10:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robbery 

message: Add the respective accents and patterns on the away and third kits, not just the base colours. The home kit does have its respective accents and pattern. Luke Sciberras (talk) 07:46, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bayern Munich 19/20 kits