Talk:Orders, decorations, and medals of the Holy See

message: Okay, it's a dumb question but I still have to ask it.
Does the holder of a Papal Order of Chivalry have the right to be addressed as Sir (Christian Name) (Surname). For example was Michael Williams, Sir Michael Williams? Avalon 09:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not a dumb question.  I came here to ask precisely the same question, because I've just been looking at Gilbert Levine's article, where he's now apparently known as "Sir Gilbert Levine" because of a papal knighthood.  There are various external links that use the same title.   I have to say these sound very odd to me.  I've never previously heard of a papal knight being referred to as "Sir".  --  JackofOz 04:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update.  There's a discussion at Talk:Gilbert Levine about the fact that he's become known as "Sir Gilbert Levine". Some of us are trying to make the point that papal knighthoods do not carry any such pro-nominal title; while others are arguing that Benedict XVI has spoken and his word is law. If anyone can help settle the issue, please come over and join us. -- JackofOz (talk) 07:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Gilbert Levine can be "knight" or "chevalier", but he cannot be "Sir" because only Queen of UK can make from "ordinary" man "Sir". Pope dońt have power to ennoble somebody in UK without consent of the Queen  and vice versa, the Queen don't have power to ordain bishop. Yes, pope can ennoble in Rome anybody and the Queen appoints bishops, but there is difference. Yopie 11:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've made reference to your post at Talk:Gilbert Levine.  Cheers.  --  JackofOz (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

text:  Yopie is correct in that a Papal knighthood does not allow an individual to be called "Sir." However it is not because the Pope does not possess such power but merely that most European countries and the Vatican perfer to use the term "Chevalier." Indeed, the title of "Sir" is used mainly in Great Britain relating to knighthoods given by the Queen. However, fellow knights in addressing each other (example the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem) often use the title of Sir. This means John Smith is referred to as Sir John Smith. This again is only used in private correspondences between knights. Royalhistorian (talk) 05:49, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dumb Question

message: Order of the Holy Sepulchre
Main article: Order of the Holy Sepulchre
'In 1907 Pope Pius X reserved the post of Grand Master for the Pope, thus giving the Order the status of a papal order. However, in 1949, he decreed that the Grand Master would be a cardinal appointed by the Pope and serving during the Pope's pleasure or until such time as the cardinal may wish to lay down this office.'
Given that Pius X passed to his maker in 1914, how did he communicate his decree of 1949?  Speaking ex cathedra is one thing, ex sepulcrum another!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.105.161 (talk) 10:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
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message: Regarding this. While I see your point of not including this scope in this article, do you intend to move the content scope elsewhere, such as a list inside :Category:Catholic chivalric orders, or where do you intend to put it? Order of chivalry doesn't seem to offer the equivalent scope, does it? PPEMES (talk) 12:10, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe parts of both articles can be merged into a new article Catholic chivalric orders. The information would not be lost and context can be provided as well (history, papal approval, obeyence, different branches, ...). Furthermore, such an article could rely on the works of Bander van Duren and might get very extensive. IndyMeister (talk) 07:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: category has been renamed to :Category:Catholic orders of chivalry. – Fayenatic London 08:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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