Talk:Megadeth

message: I've gone through some other Megadeth biographies published by respectable media. I've noted that the majority of them explain Megadeth as thrash metal band, rather than heavy metal, as Wikipedia does. Here are some extracts:
* AllMusic: One of the most popular and important thrash metal bands, led by Dave Mustaine, with music that contains strong social and political messages.
* Billboard: After he left Metallica in 1983, guitarist/vocalist Dave Mustaine formed the thrash metal quartet Megadeth.
* The Guardian: Megadeth is an American thrash metal band led by founder, frontman, guitarist, and songwriter Dave Mustaine.
* Rolling Stone: When guitarist Dave Mustaine was booted out of Metallica early in its career, he formed Megadeth, which continued his former group's thrash-metal style with even more speed and intensity.
Sure, there are also reliable references indicating heavy metal, but the most professional ones classify them as thrash. I didn't include MVT, VH1, BBC Music, Metal Storm and Consequence of Sound because their biographies are copied from the ones I've already mentioned. Please post your opinion bellow.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 13:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with how the lead is currently worded, nor how the genres appear on the infobox (although I do think hard rock should be taken out). Megadeth has not consistently played thrash since the 1980s up until Rust in Peace, after which remnants of their thrashier days have only showed up sporadically in a few songs. Nowadays it's just straightahead heavy metal, albeit a bit heavier than Iron Maiden and the like. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see your point. You assume that the reader might be confused reading "Risk is studio album by thrash metal band Megadeth" with the genres being heavy metal/hard rock. While I agree with your propose to exclude hard rock, I still think that we should stick to the official biographies made by professional editors. Anyway, lets wait for additional comments.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 16:58, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Defining Megadeth

message: Due to the fact that is is very unlikely that Still Alive... And Well? is A) unsourced; and B unlikely to ever be anything more than a stub, should we possibly look at merging it into one of the other articles? perhaps The World Needs a Hero or Rude Awakening (Megadeth album) (or even the main discography page, as per Maximum Megadeth)? Whichever page it gets merged to, if any, there should still be mention of this release.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 00:23, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal for an album page

message: Hello, just to inform that I'll change the prose significantly in the upcoming period. The article will suffer some info removal because some of its information is overlapping with the album articles. However, before I get to that, I want to propose cutting Panic (non-existing article), Alice Cooper (not significantly connected with the band) and Eidolon (same as Alice Cooper) from the associated acts in the infobox. Another proposal will be trimming the genres, ex. removing hard rock since no sources describe the band as hard rock act.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I would leave Eidolon, just based on the fact that a current member was in that band. Doesn't need to be the first thing mentioned, but still should be listed, IMO. Cooper is irrelevant at this point though. All other changes seconded.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 08:16, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the bands; will remove hard rock when I'm almost finished working on the article, because that will probably attract edit warring. However, I wanted to ask if somebody is able to create a table featuring the band members, like on other featured articles?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Upcoming changes

message: Hello. I noticed a little controversy about Mustaine saying that the death of Jeff Hanneman gave him a sense of mortality. That quote was picked from Ultimate Guitar. However, while interviewing Mustaine, the journalist from Phoenix New Times must have looked at Wikipedia and asked him about this. Mustaine confusedly responded that he must have been misinterpreted, which I guess caused uncomfortable situation. What others think, should it be removed?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Mustaine and Hanneman

message: Hi. Because there is another editor who disagrees with me on this issue, I open a discussion in order to reach general consensus on this topic. Sources for genres such as thrash metal, speed metal, heavy metal, extreme metal, hard rock and punk rock can easily be found on Google Books, so voice your opinion on what should be included.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The currently listed genres (thrash metal and heavy metal) seems to cover things fine. I wouldn't particularly be against speed metal and hard rock, but thrash metal and heavy metal should definitely stay. Both are supported by many sources, with some being cited here and in the album articles. Honestly, I've never even seen them referred to as punk rock. 97.83.67.162 (talk) 11:04, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Megadeth, a thrash-metal band producing fast aggressive music with roots in punk" (from Google Books). My word is, to avoid pointless and biased listing of genres, to include the one that reflects the opinion of critics and musicologists, not ours. From what I've seen during re-building the article, speed metal is way more supported than heavy metal, which implies that that its inclusion is questionable at least.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 11:21, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It being "rooted in punk" does not necessarily equal it being punk rock. But anyway, both genres already do reflect that. And as for speed metal, I already said I wouldn't be opposed to it being added. But just because you didn't find as many sources for heavy metal as speed metal, doesn't mean more of them don't exist.  97.83.67.162 (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, yes, we perfectly understood your opinion. Allow other editors to comment.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

text: I believe thrash metal should be genre #1 and heavy metal #2. If speed metal has to be added, then at least put it in brackets—"speed metal (early)"—like at the article for White Zombie. IMO the only time they've played anything that could be classed as speed metal was KIMB. Anything after that is either pure thrash, or thrash'ified heavy metal; by the latter I mean, besides Hidden Treasures, Megadeth have never played straight-up bog standard traditional heavy metal like Iron Maiden. Even on a 'softer' album like Risk, it was always a kind of 'next level up' style more closer to thrash metal; same with how Guns N' Roses was often bordering on the 'near-heavy metal' scale of hard rock, compared to softer bands of the same genre like Poison or Bon Jovi. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:38, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Mac is right about Killing is my Business. There is that review by CMJ New Music Report who called Megadeth's debut "a representative of the golden age of speed metal", but other than that, quite a few critics rank the band in that league (Jeff Wagner is the only one who comes in mind). As for heavy metal, considering that nearly half of their discography is listed under that genre (from Youthanasia to The System Has Failed + Super Collider) we might include it in order to be all-inclusive.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:22, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: What to list in the genre sidebar

message: The Megadeth Wikiquote page has been cleaned and improved and is now in presentable condition. However, when I added the missing link to the Wikiquote page to this article, it was soon removed without any explanation. It's my understanding that links to Wikipedia's sister projects are supposed to be there. Is there a reason why the Wikiquote link is not tolerated in this article? Why is the Wikimedia Commons link okay, but not the Wikiquote link? If there is no problem, and it was a mistake, could someone please add the link at some point?--DarkPsalms (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries, the link was restored.--Retrohead (talk) 16:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiquote page?

message: What about the one where dave said Obama was behind mass shootings and it was becoming 'like Nazi America'. That saw significant press. I don't think it's true that most of the Dave controversy has to do Metallica any more either as it saysin the opening sentenceof the controversy section.--Keithramone33 (talk) 13:26, 7 September 2014‎ (UTC)
:Keithramone33, that would be more suitable in the Dave Mustaine article. Since he speaks for himself, not for the band, that information has no place here.--Retrohead (talk) 12:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Retrohead, I hear you. However, the article section begins with "Mustaine has made numerous inflammatory statements in the press, usually regarding issues with former Metallica bandmates." And I found the article a few days ago when it was enjoying it's status as featured article. So, either the whole section should be deleted on the basis of consensus agreement with your observation (despite not being noticed during it's featured selection process), or I am right about the mentioned controversy deserving inclusion.--Keithramone33 (talk) 17:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it is already well elaborated in Dave Mustaine#Criticism of Barack Obama and 2012 U.S. Presidential election.--Retrohead (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing controversy

message: You can add on the genre the genre of speed metal and hard rock because megadeth is also a speed metal and hard rock band
NikosMiou (talk) 09:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or altered in, any article.Genres are particularly difficult area - please see the posts at the top of this page, and in the archives. - Arjayay (talk) 10:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2014 

message: I removed the timeline and the incomplete Former Members list because with a page dedicated to that information, it seemed redundant. My edit was reverted and apparently I have to get permission here? Anyway, does anyone agree that we don't need the information in two places? Crispy385 (talk) 07:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members Section 

message: the 4th paragraph of this section starts with: 
"During the band's early days, Mustaine was the rhythm guitarist, while Chris Poland played lead." 
This is wrong, Poland only plays solo's on 3 out of the 8 songs on their debut album Killing Is My Business all the other solo work is done by Mustaine, There is actually only 1 original song that doesn't feature a solo from Mustaine, and These Boots was also all Poland. 
Megadeth has always had lead/rhythm - lead/rhythm.
de third paragraph says: "Most of the songs are recorded in standard guitar tuning as Mustaine believes it to provide a superior melody to alternative methods of tuning" maybe add in something like all though the first albums were tuned slightly different so nobody could exactly copy it. this actually was the deal with at least the first 2 albums.
hope I could help,  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.210.117.83 (talk) 20:00, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences and style 

message: Can someone edit the links in this article? The Swedish version was demoted from FA a long time ago. dannymusiceditor  Speak up!  18:40, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admin request - Wikidata link editing 

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message: This source states Megadeth has sold close to 50 million albums. What's the truth? --HeadsOff (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
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replies: text: – nice try. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 07:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The issue came entirely from IP editors. There was a solution available that didn't involve revoking access to perfectly suitable editors like myself. Like, I don't know, semi-protection? dannymusiceditor  oops  16:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not disagreeing, but I don't know why we're discussing it here when the only person who could definitively tell us why the article was full-protected instead of semi-protected (a decision which I, too, am baffled about) was the admin who protected it in the first place – in other words, ask . 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 23:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  It takes two to edit war, and as protection should not favour a certain editor it would have been incorrect to use semi. Apologies for the delayed response. Anarchyte (talk) 07:34, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  I repeat: why is this article full-protected? 

message: Add  to the protection template. Kleinpecan (talk) 02:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: this is not how it works. You do not get to request editing perms to edit the page yourself. Sorry. dannymusiceditor  oops  02:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I only asked for the  parameter to be added to the protection template so that it only shows as a padlock icon and not a giant banner that the average reader does not care about. Kleinpecan (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. Not gonna lie, I thought that was default text left there carelessly by someone who wanted edit permissions. dannymusiceditor  oops  02:46, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request (22 September 2021) 

message: James Lomenzo appears on a STUDIO TRACK as of April 1st, 2022. He should be back in the official members now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoxxyBoy (talk • contribs) 16:33, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , even if that were true, stop drawing conclusions based off one small detail (which you haven't presented a source for) – Megadeth hasn't announced LoMenzo as a full member of the band, so until that happens, no, he shouldn't. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 00:06, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding James Lomenzo to Members 

message: I might be missing something, but the RIAA website only lists five of their albums getting platinum (Peace Sells to Youthanasia), with Cryptic Writings only have Gold. The discography page lists CW as having Platinum too. Even if by now CW sold enough to get to the platinum threshold, the source cited still says it's only Gold.GenerallyAcceptable (talk) 00:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Six Platinum Albums? 

message: Kiko should not be listed as a member. Teemu is the new guitarist, as the website shows.
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81.166.107.145 (talk) 81.166.107.145 (talk) 18:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Megadeth website isn't the best source, but I did find a Blabbermouth article that talks about Kiko leaving the band.  David O. Johnson (talk) 21:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiko's status 

message: Despite this, Risk was certified gold in the United States. [125]
Also The link says nothing About Megadeth at all. 51.37.206.57 (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Risk did not go Gold. 

message: Can you explain your rationale? This edit war is getting old. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Basically Megadeth were formed in 1983 and have been active the whole time. Someone decided to (without sources) claim they were inactive 2002-2003. That may be so, but why mention it? They have been inactive for longer periods considering two or more years passing since studio albums were recorded and no touring activity. --Will come will see (talk) 00:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no other time the band has been inactive, looking at the List of Megadeth band members article. David O. Johnson (talk) 12:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Years active for the band