Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Torrent Project/Archive 3

message: Today I came across two high-availability (6.5 and 2.5: >1 availability is good) torrents of Wikipedia iso files, one with images (7.5 Gig), one without (2.48 Gig). They are dated December 9, 2005. The torrents are available  from BlogLoads.de, and linked to byisoHunt. TorrentBox is also tracking the torrent for the larger iso, but the BlogLoads.de tracker has the availability. I assume these are the German language versions of Wikipedia mentioned in Wikipedia 1.0: Offline releases of the English language Wikipedia. -- Paleorthid 18:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For an English language description see German_Wikipedia#Off-line_publication, and the main German page is de:Wikipedia:WP_1.0. Their approach is different - they in effect started with all of Wikipedia and removed bad stuff, we at en are starting from nothing and adding the good stuff.  Walkerma 18:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This will also debut on the project page, and I will place an announcement if this gets bigger. Nominaladversary 19:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia DVD 3.3

message: See Wikipedia:TomeRaider database:
Several Wikipedias are available in TomeRaider format for offline browsing on a handheld (Pocket PC, Palm OS or EPOC) or a Microsoft Windows PC.
Someone has created a torrent based on this.  -- Paleorthid 22:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: The 2005 German Wikipedia DVD includes redundant TomeRaider format version of the content. -- Paleorthid 22:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This torrent is coming along well, I will make a post on the front page (and seperate section) in a couple of days. It is healthy! Nominaladversary 19:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia TomeRaider Database Torrent

message: Also, is there a Palm version of Wikipedia? Palm users should be able to have wikipedia as well. Let's torrent-it-up. Nominaladversary 19:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palm 

message: I got organized here, making a list of torrents, trackers, and ed2k info.  Also I made an iso from the wpcd.zip, got an ed2k for the iso, made a torrent and uploaded it.  I am seeding it and will mail the torrent to NominalAdversary. I have laid out some observations about a favored approach as to what announce urls to include in created torrents.   It is in line with what NominalAdversary aka Seth has figured out already: stuff the torrent with diverse announce urls to make up for the fact that individually, announce urls seem prone to getting stale or going offline. Enjoy. -- Paleorthid 07:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Paleorthid delivers! Thanks, and many thanks for your organized list of what we have. I think we might have to do a remake of the wpcd.zip.torrent. Thanks again, this cleared things up! Nominaladversary 14:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of WPCD/DVD torrents, trackers, and ed2k 

message: The following private trackers prohibit uploading their torrents to other trackers:
*BitThailand Says here Do not upload our torrents to other trackers!
*btCyberstorm Says here We are a closed, limited-membership community. Only registered users can use the TB tracker. Posting our torrents on other trackers is useless, since most people who attempt to download them will be unable to connect with us. This generates a lot of frustration and bad-will against us at Cyberstorm, and will therefore not be tolerated. Complaints from other sites' administrative staff about our torrents being posted on their sites will result in the banning of the users responsible.
Do not upload our torrents to other trackers! and this generates a lot of frustration and bad-will means we have been in error to include bitThailand and Cyberstorm announce urls in the initial two wpcd.zip.torrents that WP torrent project prepared. This requires a change in behavior on our part. -- Paleorthid 07:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keeping Wikipedia out of hot water 

message: The Project Page is going to need a change, we're going to have to divide it up between anything thats German and then the WPCD release. Ontop of that we will have to subdivide each of them into their appropriate files. I think, we should create a subpage for WPCD release and German releases, because the Project Page is getting long and will continue to grow. The PocketPC release will also have its own page, but if there is a PDA version--that will be on the same page as the PocketPC. The talk pages of each seperate release will hold "questions/comments/problems" this way the Project Talk Page will not get cluttered and we won't have that incident where we really don't know which ed2k and torrent files we have or dont have. Continuing, on each individual release page the divisions will occur for each seperate file, and the possible means to get them (torrent or e2dk link) undeneath. Finally, since we're not just covering the torrent distribution anymore I think we need to change our name from Torrent Project to something else. Distribution Project perhaps, but then it would seem as if we covered handing out cds and an actual encyclopedia. Open for suggestions, lots of suggestions.... Nominaladversary 14:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this works out better, I won't move the project, but I'll figure out how to change the name of it, also I'll make the subpages right away and will use the mini template on the project page. Nominaladversary 14:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I'm done. The Version 1.0 release is the 2006 release, so i left it at that. I put the 0.5 release as inactive, because we don't have anything on it. German DVD is set as a collaboration,Tome raider is 'will update', i will. I extended the help. I think we'll need to make somethings a bit clearer though. Nominaladversary 15:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Changes 

message: *Use the  or  template to restructure the content.
**See Wikipedia:WikiProject/Best_practices to prompt ideas on writing content and attracting participants. for example a notice to attract participants on  Talk:BitTorrent came to me when looking here.
**Attracting and organizing full time seeders is a high priority of the project.
*Treat German products as a related collaboration.  However, we do need to track German (and other) torrents/ed2k material to avoid confusion.  Case-in-point is the 0.67 GB wpcdiso.iso available through ed2k - it looks to be a German deal, but I won't know until it finishes downloading. The file name means it could be confused as the same conten t as wpcd.zip.
*Separate treatment of Version 1.0 and SOS' WPCD. 
*I prefer to keep the Torrent focus (regardless of how we name the project) - the huge file sizes involved with DVD content puts ed2k distribution into a supportive, secondary role.
*I also see the need to break into separate project pages for SOS-WPCD, 0.5, and 1.0 (and themed collections that are bound to pop up).  My preference would be to keep the current project page as a rallying point for full-time seeders, and have subpages for each product with tracker and announce urls:
**Move Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Torrent_Project to a location independent of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team like Wikipedia:WikiProject Torrent Distribution.
**Create subpages for each product and more detailed info.  If we didn't move the project, they would link like so:
#Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Torrent_Project/Torrent posters and trackers using content from from here.
#Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Torrent_Project/2006 Wikipedia CD selection
#Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Torrent_Project/Version 0.5
#Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Torrent_Project/Version 1.0
#Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Torrent_Project/TomeRaider
-- 22:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this works out better, I won't move the project, but I'll figure out how to change the name of it, also I'll make the subpages right away and will use the mini template on the project page. Nominaladversary 14:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I'm done. The Version 1.0 release is the 2006 release, so i left it at that. I put the 0.5 release as inactive, because we don't have anything on it. German DVD is set as a collaboration,Tome raider is 'will update', i will. I extended the help. I think we'll need to make somethings a bit clearer though. Nominaladversary 15:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Paleorthid's suggestions

message: Help me out here.  There are 3 sub versions of Version 1.0, maybe?
#2006 Wikipedia CD selection (has SOS Children's content) - external to Wikipedia, complete.
#Version 1.0/Test Version - in the works. Articles tagged .  Also a CD-sized collection. (note: this is different than Wikipedia:Version_0.5, which is similarly referred to as a test release). 
#Version 1.0 - Proceeds from test version.  Potential to be substantially different. Nominations yet to be opened but articles would be tagged . Size undetermined but potentially larger than a CD-sized collection.
The impact on this project is that, because these are not identical content, each will have different file names, torrents, ed2ks. -- Paleorthid 17:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 versions of version one? 

message: I just saw this Lulu website and it says it is self publishing. I just registered there, its free, and im hoping this can be the start of a Paper (encyclopedia) distribution (our new name can say it all!) and/or a cd one too. Lulu Website Nominaladversary 19:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we can spend money, or if people want to, its $5.50 for a cd. This is great! They can even order a dvd, or we can also make a book, and they'll find the cost for it and whoever wants it can buy it.
Nominaladversary 19:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm back again, this is actually, pretty cool, and i think we can make it happen. We can make a data CD...you guys should really look into this. Nominaladversary 19:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nvm...kill the idea. Nominaladversary 23:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lulu