Talk:President's Trophy (cricket)

message: You have declined this request and have said: "Ayub Zonal Tournament ? President’s Trophy Grade-I: The title you suggested seems unlikely. Could you provide a source showing that it is a commonly used alternate name?"
Sorry, but frankly I find this hard to believe. Why is it "unlikely"? The original name of the tournament was "Ayub Zonal Tournament", named after Pakistan's President Ayub Khan and it evolved via another title into "President’s Trophy Grade-I". Then you are asking for a source when I have taken the trouble to find one in Wisden Cricketers' Almanack, the 100th edition published in 1963, on page 965 precisely. The contents of this page are a description going into some detail of "The Ayub Zonal Tournament, 1962". It was won by Karachi who defeated North Zone in the final.
What more am I expected to do? I suppose you want some online source like CricketArchive, which will be incorrect in any case, rather than a book which is widely renowned as the "Bible" of the world's second most popular spectator sport? I despair. No wonder I keep reading that good editors are leaving in droves and, equally, no wonder that Wikipedia retains little if any credibility in academic circles (I am one of a dwindling few who is still prepared to give it a chance). 86.168.218.118 (talk) 11:14, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: When I search for , only 3 hits are returned, one of which is President’s Trophy Grade-I where an IP editor has added the name only two days ago (). Could there by any chance be a misspelling here? The source here looks legit, and does mention "Ayub Zonal Tournament". A very plausible redirect it is not. Did you consider creating an account? That way you could create the redirect yourself, save us both some time, and, so it appears, some frustration. — Sam Sailor 11:25, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely unbelievable, but then, no, it is actually typical. Instead of "searching for internet hits", why not adopt a scholarly approach and refer to Wisden Cricketers' Almanack which, as I have explained, is an impeccable and peerless source for cricket history. If administrative functions are being given to people like you who ignore definitive book references and rely on being able to find an obscure Google hit, then no wonder this site is on a downturn from which, in my honest opinion, it will never recover. You are the sort of person who would ignore Hansard and cite this crap instead. I suggest you read WP:VERIFY and its sub-pages. Administration is a real-world skill, and not something that can be achieved by someone who has merely completed 10k routine edits and reverted teenage pranks a few times. Think on. It so happens that someone who does know something about the subject has resolved the matter by reference to Wisden and by using common sense. 86.168.218.118 (talk) 13:56, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

text: Guess what, I have just used a "Google hit" reference for one sentence because I was too lazy to look in a book and the XLinkBot has rejected it, even though the information provided is 100% correct, because it is on a suspect links list. To remedy the situation, I have dug out another edition of Wisden and found the definitive reference there. So much for Google hits. 86.168.218.118 (talk) 15:20, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

text: IP86.168.218.118 did return and edited on 21 August, but never replied here or corrected their mistakes in President’s Trophy Grade-I and Pakistani cricket team in England in 1962. So much for the glorious "scholarly" methods and "academic" contributions to Wikipedia. — Sam Sailor 21:31, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Above copied from Special:Permalink/737757920#Redirect request: Ayub Zonal Tournament for reference. Mistake has been reverted. — Sam Sailor 21:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect request: Ayub Zonal Tournament