Talk:Scania

message: Until I read this article, I had _NEVER_ heard of the Skåne region being referred to as "Scania".  That lead to a bit of confusion on my part, and I imagine the same is true for others.  I suggest a bit of latitude...   Let's not be so strident and zellous (sp?) with enforcing some wikipedia set of rules.  I suggest we let the "Skåne" spelling take a more prominent position in the text.  
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Topic Change...  I've heard two observations about Skåne that I'd like to share...  </br>
1st, it's said that the Skåne region is to Sweden as Texas is to the United States.  While they may not go around with ten gallon hats, hand guns, and spit tobacco,  they _apparently_ have their own distinctive dialect (probably from the Danish times?) and a certain ATTITUDE that we in the US associate with Texas.  I have absolutely no idea if the above statement is correct or not, but in case it's relevant to the article, I toss this out there for someone to research.  </br>
2nd, it's also been said that consumer product testers from European companies that want to sell in the U.S. first test their products for sale in Sweden.  The corrolary (sp?) is that U.S. companies that want to sell consumer products in Europe first test market them in Sweden.  In both cases, for similar reasons.  Again, I toss this out there for someone else to consider looking into. </br>
LP-mn (talk) 04:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Improomements" comment  _and_  two observations 

message: When you translate a region's name into the original languages, you can't allways write the languages in the brackets alphabetically. As it is now the article looks quite weird, when the languages Danish and Norwegian are put in front of Swedish in the brackets. Swedish is the only official language of the Scania region and if the region has a simular name in other languages that is unintresting. You don't write Danish in front of Swedish in the article:Sweden, when you translate the name Sweden into Sverige (in fact you don't write Danish at all, eaven if the name Sverige is used also in Denmark).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Leffe00 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Danish is spoken and written to a great extent in Scania since a very large amount of the citizens of Scania are Danes. For most of human history, Scania was part of Denmark and only Danish was spoken and written there. For these reasons, there is no point in putting Swedish in front. Rather, we do what we do when the sorting order is controversial: sort in alphabetical order. We could remove Norwegian though. --Law Lord (talk) 22:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean with a "very large amount"?  In for instance Mamö there are about 9000 persons born i Denmark, out of a total number of 80000 persons born outside Sweden. People from the former Yugoslavia stills constitutes the largest group of immigrants. --Vedum (talk) 21:03, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide the source for your claims. However, I certainly agree that Malmö is more Turkish, Arabic and Yugoslavian than it is Swedish. --Law Lord (talk) 22:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You could find it here Malmö#Demographics. After the opening of the Sound Bridge Danes are the gretest immigrant group, and also the fastest growing. They often retain their jobs in Copenhagen, and buy dwellings in Malmö, where it is cheaper. But in the province as a whole other groups, with other languages outnumber the Danes. But, Swedish is of course the lingua franca used by all groups when interacting with each other. --Vedum (talk) 17:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I suspected, your wording was not entirely accurate. Nor is the wording quite accurate in the statistics. The statistics say nothing about where people are born but merely from where they have migrated. Many people, who have Danish citizenship, but who are not Danes, migrate to Sweden, because the Swedish government – in the opinion of many people – would like to turn Sweden into a multicultural and ultimately Muslim state. The Danish government has different wishes for the future of Denmark. For that reason, the statistics offer little guidance, since many of the migrants of Danish citizenship may not speak Danish at all (they may have some skill but rarely ever use it), since their mother tongue is something entirely foreign. --Law Lord (talk) 20:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If, as you claim, so many of the Danish citizens migrating to Sweden are born in other countries and not speaking Danish the number of Danish-speakers in e.g. Malmö would be less then the 9000 indicated in the statistics. But, just a few days ago (10 October) you said that "Danish is spoken and written to a great extent in Scania since a very large amount of the citizens of Scania are Danes". Suddenly, they are just Danish citizens, but not Danes. Could you explain that change of opinion in just a few days? --Vedum (talk) 21:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not had a change of opinion. I offered my opinion on Scania and you offered statistics on Malmö. The former is a province, the latter a city. --Law Lord (talk) 22:05, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. But Malmö is an example, just because it was more easy to find statistics right here in Wp. But it is certain that most of the Danes in the province live in that city and its surroundings. As soon as I find statistics for the province  (or for Skåne län, but the difference is very small) I will present the figures. But which is your source for the statement that a a "very large amount" are Danes? --Vedum (talk) 06:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  languages 

message: The article talks abot the "Scanian dominion" &c. If you check the article Dominion you only find references to British usage. The article Dominions of Sweden was created by the user "Mic" many years ago. This man was famous for creating his own terminology. My question is: Is the word "Dominion" used in English when talking about non-british territories? --Vedum (talk) 18:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term "Dominion" 

message: Some parts ought to be moved to other articles. The traditional provices (the landskap) in Sweden are not administrative or political entities.  In this case the County  (län) and the Region have almost the same boundaries as the province. But nevertheless the section "Regional politics" fits better in in the article Region Skåne. If someone has another opinion, please let me hear, otherwise I will make a move. --Muniswede (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but maybe to Region Scania. There is no such thing as "Region Skåne" in the English language. John Anderson  (talk) 06:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, look here: http://www.skane.se/default.aspx?id=54721 --Muniswede (talk) 07:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion above is more about the name (exonym or endonym). Nobody seems to have an opinion about the moving of the section. Therefore I will move it now. --Muniswede (talk) 21:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving of a section to [[Skåne County]] or [[Region Skåne]]

message: The history section here is much larger that the whole history article. They should be merged one way or the other.  --Vedum (talk) 21:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It has now been done. --Vedum (talk) 22:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History section to page [[History of Scania]]

message: "There are no independence movements organized for electoral contests in Scania", supported by a source from 2005, if we are absolutely thorough, this doesn't cover time after its publishing. And the phrase "organized for electoral contests" feels a bit embroiled. Better and more true (based on the source) could be "By 2005 there were no political parties which supported independence" Boeing720 (talk) 06:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  strange formulation ? 

message: Some of us have made corrections a few times now, to the first line of the article, to make it clear to any regular (non-Swedish & non-scholarly) reader that the English word "Scania" is not pronounced the same as the Swedish word "Skåne". That attempt to establish full clarity keeps getting reversed by a few Swedish editors, with edit summary comments like "Swedish is the only relevant language, just like with all other Swedish cities", which I find very confusing and hardly can be intentional (?) on English Wikipedia. I am now restoring the clarity and asking any and all editors to be considerate. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you start a new discussion when this was already being discussed in the section above? How is it relevant where other editors come from, and how do you know? As for "being considerate" is that what you are being here do you think? Peter has shown good sources that skåne is being used in English language sources as well, not just in Swedish and not just locally.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 21:39, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This section specificlly deals with what is beginning to amount to an edit war about the article's first line and about best possible clarity there for regular readers of English. Who ever doubted that "skåne is being used in English language sources as well"? I certainly didn't, and that's not what we're even discussing. When speaking English, to pronounce the word "Skåne" with Swedish phonetics (which is what I assume Swedes want done, not Skain, which rhymes with rain) a speaker or English speaks Swedish when pronouncing that word, not English. I'm a bit surprised that that isn't clear to you. English and Swedish, after all, are two different languages, with totally different phonetics, and their words are pronounced in English or Swedish, depending on which language is being spoken, but not in a hodgepodge of both. In this case, though, the few non-Swedish readers of English who might be interested in learning how to try to say "Skåne" in Swedish or Scanian can try to pronounce it in Swedish or Scanian, and then, of course, go back to speaking English. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:57, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

text: PS Trying to take everbody's ideas into consideration, I've now made an additional adjustment. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:01, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it is essentially at this point an editwar. That is because you keep reverting instead of discussing and arguing your point. I have looked how we handle other places that have both an English and a local language name that is sometimes used in English, and I think the solution you are advocating reflects general practice. I think I have heard English speakers say [skoʊ:ne] which is an Anglicized pronunciation of the Swedish, like [pa'ri:] is an Anglicized pronunciation of the French Paris. But I think you are right that we need to identify skåne as Swedish and not try to pass it off as an English language name. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Serge has a very valid point here. Something which in one way or another we contributors far too often forget. Why are we writing articles ? The answer must be for the readers. Which at this Wikipedia are people who read and speak English. Hence we must to the best of our capabilities try to not forget this important issue. Also in this article. Boeing720 (talk) 04:09, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
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message: Concerning the name 'Scodanus' which is said by a contributor to be 'on old maps', it doesn't actually appear on old maps - the name as it appears on old maps is Codanus sinus, which one scholar (Svensson) conjectured might be an error for Scodanus. It also refers to an area of the sea, not to a peninsula. For this reason among others I have deleted the sentence referring to Scodanus. Kanjuzi (talk) 10:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: Is it "Scah-nia" or "Scay-nia"? Please put something in lead.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.146.20.14 (talk) 10:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Normal English phonetics: Skaynia. Pls do not clutter up the lead! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:12, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  English pronunciation 

message: This article says, "Scania was first mentioned in written texts in the 9th century." However, immediately preceding this sentence is a link to the article on the history of Scania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Scania), which says, "Scania was first mentioned in written texts in the 8th century." Furthermore, this article says, "The southernmost tip of what is today Sweden was called Scania by the [presumably ancient] Romans and thought to be an island." How do we know what the Romans called it if it wasn't mentioned in written texts until hundreds of years later? (I assume that the oral tradition wouldn't have preserved such minor information for so long.)
Can anyone clarify these discrepancies?
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thread_title:  When was the first written mention of Scania?