Talk:Berkhamsted

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===Berkhamstead → Berkhamsted===
* the article itself cites the latter as the correct spelling; however there is a REDIRECT at Berkhamsted with a non-trivial history so I can't do the move myself. --Phil | Talk 15:26, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
** Hmm - I would do this now, but am a bit concerned that I should not breach the "four day" policy. In obvious cases like this, can I go ahead anyway? -- ALoan (Talk) 15:56, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move

message: * the article itself cites the latter as the correct spelling; however there is a REDIRECT at Berkhamsted with a non-trivial history so I can't do the move myself. --Phil | Talk 15:26, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
** Hmm - I would do this now, but am a bit concerned that I should not breach the "four day" policy. In obvious cases like this, can I go ahead anyway? -- ALoan (Talk) 15:56, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Berkhamstead]] &rarr; [[Berkhamsted]]

message: More info than a stub, so re-rated as start. However, high importance not justified by criteria "...significant national impact/interest". Feeling generous, so re-rated as mid - "... of interest beyond local area". Folks at 137 (talk) 00:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ratings

message: The arms displayed on this page are incorrect. The correct Berko Arms have the flags flying away from the centre ie the left hand flag flying westwards and the right hand flag eastwards. Has anyone got a pic of the correct version? I've tried cutting and pasting the arms from Berkhamsted Town Council but Wikipedia tells me it has the wrong extensions? ?? Non comprendo! Brixtonboy (talk) 22:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, good spot. Both versions exist side by side on related Berko websites but the official version according to Berco Town Council is as you suggest. As to copying from other sites be aware that this is not permitted as per WP policy unless permission has been obtained and in any case use of the coat of arms without the permission of the official custodian is normally required. Elsewhere coats of arms have been taken down for this reason This may account for the version in use being redrawn as it is! An Admin can advise here better than I can on this. The best solution is to use a photo of the sign hanging outside the Town Hall. If someone has one otherwise I will try and get one next time I pass the Town Hall. Tmol42 (talk) 01:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for that. From memory the town hall arms are correct. Its a shame the arms outside the civic centre have been repainted incorrectly. The pillar now bears a golden castle. Must be Hemel people! Brixtonboy (talk) 02:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

text:  Re use of Coat of Arms, by Royal proclamation the arms were granted to the Borough and People of Berkhamsted so anyone from Berko has the legal right to post them on Wikipedia if they wish. Brixtonboy (talk) 02:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Re usage by the people, nice idea re the grant of the proclamation but the guardians of such arms in this case the local authority still owe a duty to 'the people' to protect it from being used inappropriately. Using an image published online or elsewhere by someone else is not considered 'fair use' unless such permission is given. So a photo of the arms displayed in a public place uploaded to WP Commons probably avoids the problem.  All may be OK in this case but if interested check out Wikipedia:Image use policy Tmol42 (talk) 16:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

text: As per dicussion above I have uploaded own image containing coat of arms including correctly orientated flags as displayed on the town hall building Tmol42 (talk) 16:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks good. Thank you ¬¬¬¬  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brixtonboy (talk • contribs) 13:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

message: @ Minimac
I'd never heard of the above until you added it to Berko's listing. I am now enlightened. I reverted your addition because checking the definition, Wikipedia defines a Linear Settlement as one that gains its shape due to a major transport route. You listed the Grand Union Canal and the A41 as those routes. However, Berko assumed its shape as it grew along the Bulbourne Valley, part of the Chiltern Hills. It was already long and thin rather than spherical for 400 years or so before the Grand Union Canal was dug in the 1700s. Indeed if you look at a map one can see how the Roman roadbuilders, the Duke of Bridgewater and his canal and the railway builders were all squeezed down the same valley as the chepaest route from the midlands to London. Topology rather than transport links determined Berko's shape. Brixtonboy (talk) 11:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: clearly this is something you know about, could ypu not be that SOMEONE who contributes to the article? Tmol42 (talk) 16:02, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linear settlement 

message: The lower portion of the page was totally red and this seems to have been caused by the above table. I've deleted the latter and the article appears normal. However, perhaps someone who knows what to do would be able to repair the table.
Mikeo1938 (talk) 12:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the Template for the railway route map which is not appropriate for this article page. Already appears on the Berkhamsted railway station article.Tmol42 (talk) 14:27, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of table of train services  

message: Over the last few weeks I have made many edits to the article page, but for most of the period I was fairly ill and made many editing errors. I apologise and gradually I am tidying them up. --  BOD -- 00:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Edits to the Berkhamsted Page: Sept 2014

message: Fixed Book Citations Referenced to in the Sources section. In process of fixing the remainder.
39   Liddiard 2005, pp. 111–112 
40  Williamson 2010, p. 219
51  Brown 1989, p. 52 
52  Pettifer 1995, p. 105
63  Wolstenholme 1883, pp. 46–47
65 Thomson 2008, Axtell, Daniel --  BOD -- 22:37, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: check above, but to do*  65 Thomson 2008, Axtell, Daniel   and    24 Whitlock 1968, preface. --  BOD -- 00:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Work in Progress: Offline Book References

message: The person who is editing the Berkhamsted (Hertfordshire) page has just sent me an email message about permision to use information on the Genealogy in Hertfordshire web site www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk. Due to my finger slipping when I was deleting a spam messes their message was also accidently deleted. Could they contact me again at chris@hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk.  I am very happy to help on this - or any other Hertfordshire page, including providing higher resolution images of historic (and out of copyright) maps, engravings, early postcards, etc.  (in effect my web site is a specialist site - set up with similar aims to wikipedia - starting as a bulletin board in the late 1990s and as a web site in 2001.)
Chris Reynolds  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.217.229 (talk) 20:33, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks Chris I am very grateful for your offer and shall recontact you --  BOD -- 00:05, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please contact me again  

message: I have completed a requested copy edit under the auspices of the Guild of Copy Editors. I have added a number of "clarify" and "inconsistent" tags where I was unable to fix particular sentences.
--Done (except the Demographic section mess, which is partly hidden until it can be cleaned up--
Overall, it is a lovely article. I commend the diligent work of the editors who created it. 
I think the section on the castle is too long, especially the long list of inhabitants and owners, given that the castle has its own article. I recommend shrinking that long list to a short prose paragraph. Focus on the key historical facts and the castle's significance in different time periods. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:59, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I am so grateful and pleased with this copyedit, as mentioned on Jonesey95's talk page, i will be able work on the suggestions and points raised from Tuesday onwards.--  BOD -- 18:45, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have started tackling the tags raised by the copy edit by Jonesey95 (talk) and the copy edit discussion above. Some of which, like the prose version of the castle history and the demographic section will be tackled at the weekend. I have personally been unable to removed Ashridge completely from the article due to its long association with the town, reflected by various mentions throughout the articles history section, and believe that a reasonable connection still exists (but that is partly based on local knowledge).--  BOD -- 20:42, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  An aside ...truthfully, I am not sure how I am going to bang the demographic section into to shape.--  BOD -- 09:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy edit complete

message: Bodney, not sure if you've had a trawl through the Internet Archive / Gutenberg / Hathi for old texts relating to Berko. A cursory search points to stuff that might be interesting, either in terms of content or reference. fwiw, &c. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:41, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: These are very deep research waters and I am a bit afraid of drowning. The Hathi Trust is new for me and looks like an excellent resource. I wish I still had Percy Birtchnell's A Short History of Berkhamsted (or had Scot Hastie's Berkhamsted, an Illustrated History ). Mostly I guess this article is weakest on present day stuff.--  BOD -- 12:16, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional sources

message: I am so grateful for all the copyeditors who have kindly made so many improvements (in so many ways) to this page. It is greatly appreciated, the page is much better.
I must admit I am stuck about what to do about the demography section. Sometimes I cant think how to fix things.
Any help would be appreciated.--  BOD -- 00:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've not engaged with demography yet. My opening suggestions would be to check out the list of Wikipedia:WikiProject_UK_geography#Featured_articles and see what sort of demography layout / content / style they have, and see if there are lessons to be learned. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just avoiding the very obvious, hoping that the would be a magical easier way than digging deep and mine the 2011 census reports for Berkhamsted Castle Ward, Berkhamsted East Ward and Berkhamsted West Ward. Luckily I found the HertLis website. I am hoping the simple citation is ok. I know the that the revised section could be improved by copy edit etc.--  BOD -- 20:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Demography

message: I wanted to find out something about Berkhamstead (however it might be called) so looked on Wikipedia - obviously! I was amazed at the quality of the work here, inspired, perhaps, by the varied and interesting history of the town itself. I want to thank all concerned. 82.132.233.93 (talk) 09:34, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
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