Talk:Olive branch

message: I fail to see the link between the section Ancient Greece and Rome and association of olives with peace--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 23:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  and the link is? 

message: I'm taking classes in college right now about Soviet Propaganda, and twice now I've seen logos of the Hammer and Sickle superimposed over a globe of the world with two branches on each side (they may or may not be olive branches). Does anyone know about the link between this symbol and the United Nations emblem? I have many speculative ideas, but if someone has definite facts they'd be much appreciated, and perhaps interesting for this page. --Loudlikeamouse (talk) 18:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet/U.N. Usage 

message: I removed this:
The original link between olive branches and peace is unknown. Some explanations center on that olive trees take a long time to bear fruit. Thus the cultivation of olives is something that is generally impossible in time of war. peace symbols - Learn English Magazine - British Council Another explanation could be, since olives are among the first crops, offering an olive branch establishes camaraderie, and maintains peace, through the exchange of cultivation knowledge.
1. It was not in the main body of the article, so it does not summarise what follows.
2. Most of it is speculation without any source and the one source is a dead link.
3. There is good, sourced material on the original link between olive branches and peace in the section on Classical antiquity, so it is not true to say that the original link is unknown. Marshall46 (talk) 16:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead paragraph 

message: I have removed this unreferenced passage: 
"Though the dove is a symbol of peace, the olive branch is also used as a gesture of peace. For example when saying "offering an olive branch." This comes from the Great Flood, when Noah sent a dove out to search for land that would be safe for them to travel to and live on. The dove came back with an olive branch in it's beak, which apparently symbolised the end of God's war with mankind."  
If the editor had read the referenced section on the olive branch as a symbol of peace, and the article on Peace symbols, he would have seen that it comes not from the Hebrew Bible but from pagan Greece.  In the story of the Great Flood, the dove comes back to Noah not with an olive branch but an olive leaf, and neither in the text nor in Biblical commentaries is it treated as symbol of peace.  The dove and the olive came to be regarded as a peace symbol only when the pagan symbol of the olive branch was adopted by Christians, and only after then did St.Jerome translate the relevant passage in the Hebrew Bible from olive leaf to olive branch. Marshall46 (talk) 16:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passage removed 

message: I have reverted the deletion of this passage: "However, in Jewish tradition there is no reference to an olive branch in the story of the Flood and no association of the olive leaf with peace."  Sagi Nahor, who deleted it, wrote, "Inaccurate. Read any Jewish Bible commentary such as Rashi to Genesis 8:11." 
Here is  Rashi's commentary on Gen 8:11. "Torn off in her mouth": "It is my opinion that it [the dove] was male. Therefore, it is sometimes referred to as male and sometimes as female. This is because wherever {Hebrew Ref} appears in Scripture it is referred to as female; for instance: ["His eyes are like] those of doves bathing near the water brooks," "Like the doves of the valleys all of them moaning." And as: "Like a foolish dove."  
And "Torn off": "Means: 'he plucked.' The Midrash Aggadah explains it [ {Hebrew Ref} ] as 'food' and interprets {Hebrew Ref} as 'speaking.' She said, 'Better that my food be as bitter as an olive from the hand of G-d than sweet as honey from the hands of human beings.'
No mention of peace and no mention of a branch.  Also, follow up the footnotes to commentaries in the Talmud.  No mention of peace or a branch there either, only a leaf torn off.
You can read Rashi here. Marshall46 (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Dead link above. Rashi here. Pelarmian (talk) 09:45, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genesis 8:11 

message: Rev 11
:I will give to My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy days, a thousand, two hundred, sixty, arrayed with sackcloth; these are the two olive [trees]
:Just granpa (talk) 12:57, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 witnesses