Talk:V for Vendetta/Archive 2

message: Please people, if you're going to say a topic is racist, make sure you have a cited source.  Wikipedia is no place for original research, all statements must be cited, especially those of possible controversy.  This article was in a list of maintenance tasks simply for the use of one word racist in an uncited fashion.  See wp:v and wp:npov. Great article otherwise.  Alan.ca 07:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racist Characterization 

message: Okay, I've converted the external links into reference format. Hiding  talk 14:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somewhere I've got a sketch Lloyd did for me of V for Vendetta, I've just asked at WP:FU if I can upload it and use it in this article. Hiding  talk 19:23, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links to references

message: Caption says #5, pic clearly shows issue #19.  Some mistake? --Oscarthecat 21:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it was, but it's now fixed.  Good eye.--P-Chan 17:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warrior issue number : wrong? 

message: What's with Timothy Leary and V for Vendetta??  The comments about V for Vendetta and Timothy Leary in the section on Anarchy Vs Fascism... is the third time I've heard the two connected somehow.  The Wachowski Bros make Portman learn about Timothy Leary in order for her to play her role in the film.  And V for Vendetta was one of the last books Timothy Leary read before he died.  
Weird stuff.  This can't be a coincidence.  Anyone know the link?--P-Chan 07:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go read anything about or by Leary.  In fact, his wikipedia entry itself should give pretty good reasons for the link, if you're familiar at all with the comic.  There's the whole LSD episode, for starters.  His quote "tune in, turn on, and drop out" (I think I 'em in the right order) is pretty anarchistic in that it urges you to develop what talents you have, pay attention to the world, and accept no social authority for the sake of social authority.  There's a really interesting picture on Leary's 1972 arrest.  The look on his face is exhilarated, triumphant, and free -- a wonderfully dissonant picture, but besides the photo itself, it's the face of someone who has faced their fear and is now laughing at it.  I'm by no means a Leary admirer myself, but hey, you wanted to know the link.  208.61.125.61 04:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird stuff 

message: If memory serves me correctly (and for such an appropriate flag, I can't think why it wouldn't).  Didn't there use to be a decent flag on this article?  I was a cross between the Union Jack, the American Flag and the Flag of the Third Reich (it had a swastika seamlessly embedded within it).  I just felt that the flag should be included in the article.  Whoever made it spent considerable amounts of laudable time and effort on it.  
--Nukemason 15:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The flag in question only appears in the movie, never in the comic, so it doesn't really belong here. And it's only in one brief scene in the movie, so while it is well done, it probably doesn't merit inclusion in the movie article either. --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 14:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a pannel showing the Government's flag in the comic, but in the comics, the flag used is simply an N on a coloured background (the pannel's in black and white, so I don't know what colour). I just thought someone might find that interesting ;) Thε Halo Θ 01:55, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The FLAG Would Make A Good Desktop Background...  

message: Just a note to anyone reading this before editing the main page. This article is about the V for Vendetta comic book. In the book, V blows up the Houses of Parliament first and the Old Bailey later. Please don't change the article to say he blows up the Bailey first just because that's what happens in the film. --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 21:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Houses of Parliament and the Old Bailey

message: In the movie he is a socialist, not an anarchist.
:Firstly, this article is about the comic, not the movie.  Secondly, how do you figure?  That's an awfully bald and undefended statement.  Thirdly, communism and socialism aren't the same thing -- it would be possible to be an anarchist and a communist (if your commune genuinely springs from voluntary association and does not persecute those who secede), but not a *socialist* (believes in social obligation enforced by central authority) and an anarchist.  68.215.183.56 20:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Communist 

message: In terms of numerological meanings the number 5 is the symbol for an individual with a highly progressive mindset, with the attitude and skills to make the world a better place. The key word for this person’s Life Path is freedom. In the pursuit of freedom, he is naturally versatile, adventurous, and advanced in your thinking. You are one of those people who is always striving to find answers to the many questions that life poses. 5 is the number most often associated with the productive use of freedom. A person who associates with the number 5 is perhaps the most compassionate of people as the 5 is surely the most freedom-loving and compassionate Life Path. His love of freedom extends to humanity at large, and concern for his fellow man, his freedom and his welfare, may be foremost in your mind. He is a good communicator, and you know how to motivate people around him.This may be his strongest and most valuable trait. Because of this skill, and the individuals amazing wit, he is a truly natural born salesman. This ability to sell and motivate extends to any sort of physical product all the way through to whatever ideas or concepts you may embrace. The individual who associates himself with the number 5 abhors routine and boring work, and you are not very good at staying with everyday tasks that must be finished on time. On the average, the number 5 personality is rather happy-go-lucky; living for today, and not worrying too much about tomorrow. It is also important for him to find a job that provides thought-provoking tasks rather than routine and redundant responsibilities. He does best dealing with people, but the important thing is that you have the flexibility to express yourself at all times. he an innate ability to think through complex matters and analyze them quickly, but then be off to something new. A love of adventure may dominate the life of someone associated with the number 5.. This may take the form of mental or physical manifestation, but in either case, you thrill to the chance for exploration and blazing new trails. Surely he belongs to a group considered the most worldly and traveled. Clearly he is not one to pass up a good venture. He has quite a lot of the risk-taker in your makeup. If he isn’t putting his money at stake, you are surely open to a wide variety of risks in his everyday life. Taking the conservative approach is just not in his nature. In romance, the number 5 suggests that the individual hates to be tied down and restricted. This doesn't necessarily mean that he is unfaithful or promiscuous, but it does mean that a good partner for him needs to understand his nature. A relationship based on jealousy and having tight reigns is not going to work at all for him. A partner who understands his need to be free and trusted will find him trustworthy, even if he isn’t constantly available and totally dutiful. It is important for him to mix with people of a like mind, and to try to avoid those that are too serious and demanding. An individual living on the negative side of the Life Path 5 is apt to be multitalented, but suffering from some lack of direction, and there is confusion surrounding his ambition. Restless, discontent, and impulsive, he may bounce from one job to the next without accomplishing much at all. A negative Life Path 5 can become very irresponsible in tasks and decisions concerning the home and business life. The total pursuit of sensation and adventure can result in his becoming self-indulgent and totally unaware of the feelings of those around him.
*Someone might want to look at boiling all that down for inclusion in the Number 5 section. It doesn't really belong in the Significance section, to my mind. --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 01:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Numerology

message: First, the current description of V's 'powers' is taken from the film: apart from the thing about fingers (which not only seems to have been dropped after chapter 3 (V is clearly shown using daggers in his attacks on Bishop Lillimans residence and Jordan tower) we have Delia Surridges account that there is 'nothing wrong with him', ie. his body hasn't changed. Therefore, it seems safer to assume that V's strength in the first attack is either an internal inconsistency within the novel, or has some other explanation (V may have undergone intense physical training, or it might have been a gadget similiar to his exploding hand. Indeed, the exploding hand and the smokescreen may indicate that when V was concieved his arsenal was to be more advanced, possibly incorporating artificial limbs, as he seems to completely abandon such devices as the novel progresses, moving on to far more simple weapons (mainly knives and a suicide bomb). Remember that it was originally written as a serial and that early episodes couldn't be revised as ideas were changed. Moore also says of his character concept 'the central character could be some sort of escapee, psychologically altered by his stay in a Government Concentration Camp.' ('Behind the Painted Smile' article in the back of the current Vertigo edition of V For Vendetta, emphasis mine). Delia Surridge describes his condition as a form of schizophrenia, and also mentions that he regards people like insects, indicating that he may be some form of sociopath. His mental condition (which, remember, was revealed to Finch only when he took LSD) seems to be a sort of mixture of schizophrenia and autism (note his strange obsessions, such as the number five and Guy Fawkes), combined with a vast intelligence. V also seems to think about things in an entirely different way to most people, seeing  the big picture rather than individual events and drawing connections between things in abstract ways that allow him to orchestrate his plots without attracting peoples attention (ie. his escape from Larkhill using fertiliser and grease solvent). As for his memory, it should be noted that V does refer to his childhood in his speech to to the statue of Justice, however, since the whole speech is melodramatic and metaphorical, this probably doesn't mean anything. If no one has any objections to what I'm saying, I will edit the article with a much trimmed down version of this. Remember this is an article about the graphic novel, NOT the film. --KharBevNor 17:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  V's Abilities 

message: A politician in Taiwan called Li Ao recently disrupted a national defense committee meeting by spraying tear gas while wearing the Guy Fawkes mask from V for Vendetta. Pics Shawnc 21:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something funny 

message: I've gone through and added quotes to wikiquote's article on V for Vendetta.  However, people keep on adding quotes from the movie.  So far, I've just been removing them as they come in.  Is there any other way to keep them out?
Also, I'm thinking that the monologues should be organized into a seperate section so they don't stick out elsewhere.  Any thoughts on this? Simply Curious 03:30, 1 November 2006
: Is there a reason that information complying with WP:V (referenced, verifiable information) should not be included in the article (such as quotes from the movie) ? Terryeo 21:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the quotes are being mixed in with ones from the comics, making it impossible to tell where they're from. Simply Curious 02:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Forgot to add that the movie has its own article. --Simply Curious 20:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiquote 

message: Some of the examples mentioned in the section on V/5 are a bit irrelevant in my opinion. (e.g. "V's hand and feet each have five fingers and toes respectively"; "Hugo WeaVing played V in the film"; "Ctrl-V is the 'paste' function on PC computers") Also, putting this information in the form of a numbered list seems kind of pointless when more than one point is listed under each number (unless this is supposed to be another clever instance of the number 5).  Does anyone else agree with me? Stebbins 06:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a feeling that some of the irrelevant V/5 points might be a form of subtle vandalism.  (This is something that has happened on V for Vendetta (film) article as well.)  Just a thought, and something to be aware of.--P-Chan 00:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number 5 Theme 

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