Talk:Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil

message: From the Portuguese version of this article:
"Em 1920 teve a felicidade de saber que a lei que bania a Família Imperial do Brasil havia sido revogada pelo Presidente Epitácio Pessoa."
Rough translation:
"In 1920, she became happy to know that the banishment of the Imperial Family of Brazil had been revoked by President Epitácio Pessoa."
All the Portuguese articles around the subject are consistent on this... I do not have a citation to back this up but I would tend to believe those versions. Was the exile removed in 1920, or 1922 as it says here? (I got here because an article I am translating, Mariano Procópio Museum, says she came back to Brazil in 1921.) Grandmasterka 05:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem - date of exile revocation 

message: I once read a novel where I heard that Isabel, in connection to her anti-slavery oppinions, made a scandal by dancing with a coloured man - a mulatto - on a ball. It was a way of demonstrating the idea of equality between the races. Of course, this was from a novel, but I wonder if it was taken from a true event? Does anyone know? --85.226.47.79 (talk) 17:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true. It was not a mulatto, but a Black man. His name was André Rebouças, one of the greatest abolitonist leaders in Brazil. Rebouças invited a young lady to dance with him in a ball, but she simply ignored him. At that moment, the Count of Eu (Isabel's husband) touched him in the shoulder and asked him to dance with his wife, no one else than the heir to the throne, which the Count said that would be an honor to him. Rebouças accepted. --Lecen (talk) 17:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Would be great to see this anecdote added to the André Rebouças article; with a reference, of course.--~ ~ :  Lincoln Cooper : ~  ~ (talk) 06:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, Rebouças' article is no more than a stub right now and is not one of my top priorities at the moment. I'm working at Empire of Brazil and plan to move to Pedro I of Brazil. Since I'm the only editor working in Imperial Brazil-related articles, that will take some time. --Lecen (talk) 12:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The scandalous dance 

message: Why there is this category at Isabel's article? Is there any reference stating that she was considered a Portuguese princess??? Tonyjeff (talk) 23:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese infanta

message: I'm going to begin improving this article. Suggestions, criticism, ideas, comments are welcomed. --Lecen (talk) 14:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a question. What does her appearance have to do with marriage? Because there is a sentence of her appearance under marriage section. Spongie555 (talk) 19:09, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm done with 2 sections. Moving to a third one. --Lecen (talk) 22:03, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improving the article 

message: Did she ever used the female form of her husband's title Comtesse d'Eu or Countess of Eu?--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 07:39, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's all she ever did. Just take a look into her signature. She never called herself "Princess Imperial". She was always "Comtess d'Eu". Isabel never tried to strengthen her position as heiress. I'll mention that once I'm finished with this article. --Lecen (talk) 14:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Lecen is correct, she did sign "Comtess d'Eu" in her private correspondence. She used a different signature as regent, in official documents: Princess Imperial Regent. Regards to all, Paulista01 (talk) 16:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Portuguese and Brazilian monarchs had different signatures depending on the occasion. Pedro II signed "Dom Pedro 2nd" when he wrote to diplomats, politicians, etc... (this signature can be seen in the infobox of his article). When he signed documents, he did as "Emperor". That was a tradition since the times of the Portuguese monarchs, who signed "King". Isabel signed "Princess Regent", but everwhere else was simply "Isabel, Comtess d'Eu" (not the that she used the title in its original French, not in Portuguese as "Condessa d'Eu"). --Lecen (talk) 16:39, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if she was known as such for most of her life. It should probably be mentioned.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 07:38, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comtesse d'Eu 

message: I only wish that the part "Later years" will be a little expanded and that the question of the succession will be a little clarified! However it is a very interesting article yet. As always... 31.39.53.205 (talk) 12:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excellent article ! 

message: The titles and styles in the table are unsourced. DrKay (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the reference at the end of the section (the Imperial Constitution) establish titles for the daughters? There are a couple of versions online, but I have not had a chance to go over it again (my Portuguese is rudimentary, and the text version has many nonsense characters substituted for characters not present in the text font). It would work well if the titles could be sourced to the constitution. I haven't found a source to support Isabel's use of "Her Imperial Majesty".  • Astynax talk 08:17, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's article 105 of the 1824 constitution. This has all been said before in other venues, e.g. . DrKay (talk) 09:47, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for recalling that.  • Astynax talk 18:48, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: Is that okay if I finish the article? --Lecen (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finishing the article 

message: I want to add the letter she wrote in the final days of the empire to add more drama to the storyline. Also I feel the need to enfasize her kindness of heart which was so notorious. But this letter doesnt exist in English so I have translated, but then people wont accept the sources.
August 11, 1889 - Paço Isabel
Corte midi
Dear Sir Viscount of Santa Vitória,
I was told by papa who put me aware of the intention and the sending of the funds of your Bank in the form of a donation as indemnisation to the ex-slaves freed on May 13 of last year, and the secrecy that you Sir asked from the president of the cabinet not to provoke more violent reaction of the slaveholders. God protect us if the slavocrats and the military know about our business, for it would be the end of the current government and even of the Empire and the House of Braganza in Brazil. Our friend Nabuco, in addition to Sirs Rebouças, Patrocínio and Dantas, will be able to give assistance after November 20, when the Chambers gather for the inauguration of the new Legislature. With the support of the new deputies and papa's faithful friends of the Senate, it will be possible to make the changes that I dream for Brazil!
With the funds donated by you Sir, we will have the opportunity to put these ex-slaves, now free, on their own land, working in agriculture and livestock and from them taking their own revenues. I was more touched to hear from papa that this donation meant more than 2/3 of the sale of your assets, which shows the love devoted to you Sir towards Brazil. May God protect you and all your family forever!
It was moving the fall of Bank Mauá in 1878 and the honest and unprofitable, although unhappy way that you Sir and your esteemed partner, the great Viscount of Mauá, accepted the fall, according to papa forged by the English in a dishonest and corrupt way. The fall of Lord Mauá meant a great defeat for our Brazil!
But let's not stay in the past, because the future will be promising, if the Republicans and slaveholders allow us to dream a little bit more. For the changes that I have in mind, as you already know, are beyond the liberation of the captives. I now want to dedicate myself to freeing women from the fetters of domestic captivity, and this will be possible through Female Suffrage. If woman can reign it can also vote! I thank you for your help with all my heart and may God bless you!
I send my greetings to Madame Viscountess of Santa Victória and the whole family.
Very heartedly,
Isabel  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Es157 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letter 

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