Talk:Eden Natan-Zada

message: Can we get a picture of him?  There are some in the google news results, but not well sourced...Dsol 21:49, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture? 

message: Natan-Zada (hyphenated), or Natan Zada (middle and surname)?  Should he be referred to as "Natan-Zada," or simply "Zada" in other articles?  I've seen it reported both ways, even from identical quotes.  Anyone have an authoritative source for the guy's name? Shem(talk) 01:55, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming (surname). 

message: Which "vast majority" of jewish groups condemned his actions? Where I live, in Canada, the jewish groups were all silent on the attack. High contrast to their reaction when a palestinian shoots and kills a jew, don't you think? Also it should be made clear that kahane groups advocate ethnic cleansing. What else would you call forced expulsion of people based on their race and ethnicity?
"All silent?"  Perhaps you missed this: 
B’nai Brith Canada immediately condemned the vicious murder of four Israeli Arabs and the injuring of others by a Jewish gunman who opened fire inside a bus in northern Israel last Thursday killing four and wounding 12 others.
“We condemn this murderous act committed by a lone Jewish gunman against Israeli Arab civilians,” said Frank Dimant, B’nai Brith Canada’s executive vice president. “Our entire Jewish community is outraged by this unconscionable act.
“Such reprehensible behaviour and all other similar acts of violence directed against civilians – in all parts of the world – must not be countenanced and must be met with the fullest extent of the law.
“We are saddened by the news and extend our condolences to the families and friends of those killed in this tragedy.”
Oh, and I doubt that Kahanists actually state that they support "ethnic cleansing", even if they do so. Jayjg (talk) 15:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Kahanists definitely oppose the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Yesha which is currently in progress ;) Kahane called for the removal of those who do not qualify as gerei toshav. Kuratowski's Ghost 16:19, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

text: There are an unusual number of Kahane supporters at this encyclopedia.  It is really quite strange.Heraclius 16:45, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: condemnation?

message: Ahayal Jahnawi describes, in detail, what happened on the bus.  Shem(talk) 03:20, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: just went to read this now but had disappeared; subsequently found at  blacksand 12:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eyewitness account from the man who first detained Natan-Zada

message: "Just as I couldn't carry out an order that desecrates the Sabbath, I cannot be part of an organization that expels Jews." He added the anti-pullout slogan "Jews don't expel Jews" to his letter, and concluded the message with the words: "I will consider how I will continue to serve."  Shem(talk) 03:20, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He certainly seems sane.Heraclius 03:47, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Letters written by Natan-Zada prior to his going AWOL

message: Aren't we stretching the term a bit too far? 192.115.133.141 14:31, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't think it's a stretch.  There are mass murderers who kill as little as four or five people, but the point is they went out to kill, and killed one after another.  Eden Natan-Zada was mostly definately a mass-murderer, who killed four people and might have killed more had he not been stopped.  I'm readding the category. - Gilgamesh 17:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Which other mass murderers have killed as few as 4 people? Jayjg (talk) 18:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: People who have killed their families, I think.  But I did found out after I added the category, that :Category:Mass murderers sets its minimum limit to four, so Eden Natan-Zada qualifies. - Gilgamesh 14:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass murderer? 

message: Per :Category:Mass_murderers, it is not to be used for terrorists, so if this person is in the category terrorist, he should not be in mass murderer and vica versa. Either one, but not both. Thanks -- Avi 01:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Exclusive or with Terrorists

message: OK, the 7/7 bombers are now all categorised as "British terrorists", so as per User:Jayjg I have put this article in :Category:Terrorists. —Ashley Y 09:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Terrorists 

message: Anon who puts this category says that legally he was murdered. I do not know if this is true. I would like to see a legal reference. gidonb 12:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: מבחינה חוקית זה רצח לכל דבר. עשו בו לינץ' אחרי שהוא היא כפות באזיקים ע"י שוטרים ואחרי שהנשק נלקח ממנו. כלומר ולכן לא היה מקרה של הגנה עצמית. זה שאף אחד לא נתן את הדין הזה זה לא אומר שהוא לא נרצח. --Haham hanuka 13:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Murder victim

message: Legally Natan Zada was murdered, we should write now about the new investigation (which seems to be ended)  --Haham hanuka 20:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Baruch Goldstein was also legally murdered, as he was killed after being subdued and disarmed. This is documented and referenced (I believe) in the Baruch Goldstein article. --DLandTALK 20:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: and subsequent move to cat..  Amoruso 06:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  completed details on lynching 

message: I removed this from the Lone Wolf article since Natan-Zada is just one in a long line of bullet point examples, and he really shouldn't have a longer entry than Timothy McVeigh.  However, if there's merit to this factoid it should probably go in this article. --Saswann 19:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  From [[Lone wolf (terrorism)]] 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Eden Natan Zada.jpg

message: Please see :Category:Mass murderers. "The following lists individuals who have committed mass murder, defined as the killing of four or more people in a single incident. This category is not to be used for terrorists, or for those who carried out massacres in service of a state." Either or, not both. If there is a disagreement, I will be happy to lock the article while the discussion is carried out on the talk page to prevent edit warring. -- Avi (talk) 14:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper category 

message: User:THF claims in  that "killed" would be more WP:NPOV than "murdered". I don't agree, the killing in cold blood of innocent civilians is called murder. Perhaps the person hiding behind that pseudonym could explain why (s)he/it considers the killing of two young women/girls who have not been accused of any crime (except being the wrong race or religion, according to Kahanism) to be anything but premeditated, unlawful homocide. Erik Warmelink (talk) 21:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It could just be homicide by virtue of insanity, though I agree it was probably murder.  But we adopt the neutral encyclopedic version when we can, given that the killer was lynched before a court determined he was a murderer. I don't feel strongly enough about it to make a big deal about it; I'll abide by a third opinion. THF (talk) 21:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reliable source which names killing an armed Kahanist/madman (as if there were a distinction) reloading his gun, by his intended victims, a lynching? The victim lacked melanin, was caught in flagrante delicto and the killers weren't from the USA. Erik Warmelink (talk) 22:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

text: came here from 3O.  even if it is murder, it seems that we dont usually use that word unless we are quoting.  i think killed is the most neutral, following the lead of this article:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahimi_Mosque#Security_and_conflict  untwirl(talk) 23:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder or killing 

message: The article says that five are "awaiting trial" in 2006.  Presumably that is no longer true, and the article could stand updating. THF (talk) 20:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Twelve people were indicted in 2009; they are still awaiting trial or the trial has yet to be concluded per this source. Tiamuttalk 13:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  status of lynching trial 

message: has anyone noticed this article is outright anti-israel. it should be reminded that the job of wikipedia is not to preach an anti-israel story rather to tell the story from a fair perspective which this article is not doing.--Marbehtorah-marbehchaim (talk) 19:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  anti-israel bias 

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