Talk:Martin Shaw (composer)

message: I would like to list Martin Shaw's activities, taken from a centenary appreciation by Eric Routley.  It would be better than the stub, but not a full article - would that be okay? ix (talk) 17:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The external link to Smith Creek Music asks for a password, so the link should probably be revised.
Links to this page cannot be made using "" due to multiple entries with the same name. What is the best way to link directly to this Martin Shaw?
--Marchesa (talk) 15:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical problems 

message: I would like to add an Infobox.  I have added the details in "edit", but these are not yet showing on the actual page.
I also feel this article has become more than a stub.
I am the composer's grandson.  Some information is from my own personal knowledge.
Insideintelligence (talk) 11:18, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To User:Insideinteligence: please read  this guideline from WikiProject Composers on the use of infoboxes, and also  this general WP guideline concerning original research. Best regards. Francesco Malipiero (talk) 16:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Hello, I think the concern is that biographies are technically only supposed to include information that can be verified by available sources rather than personal knowledge - is most of the information you have included also in his autobiography or Grove entries? Rob (talk) 11:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not just bios, but all articles. See wp:RS and wp:V.LeadSongDog come howl! 16:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thank you, I'm well aware of those policies, I'm just trying to be polite to a well-meaning user rather than shove a load of rules in their face. What we're specifically requesting, Insideintelligence, are some specific references from the books listed in the bibliography. So, when you write "Probably his finest work is the oratorio The Redeemer, for SATB soloists, chorus and full orchestra, broadcast by the BBC in March 1945." - whose opinion is that? If that's your opinion, that's not acceptable. However, if you said (for example) "Ralph Vaughan Williams considered The Redeemer to be his finest work."Ralph Vaughan Williams "I love The Redeemer" in Composers' Mutual Appreciation Journal (Made up Press, 1945), p.453, and then cited it, that would be. Rob (talk) 18:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

text: This "reference" is mocking and inappropriate. There is no such reference. Are you deliberately trying to set up an edit war? I am going to remove it again and I have taken up your edit warring with Wikipedia. Please also note that the "probably his finest work" phrase has been up for a couple of years or more. Why pick on it now? Time Will Say Nothing (talk) 07:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This page has numerous editors. This editing and commenting targeted exclusively at me is far from appropriate. Time Will Say Nothing (talk) 07:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

text: To answer your earlier question, the info is in the sources and in the autobiography. I'm sure one of the many editors of this page will get around to referencing it properly at some point. Time Will Say Nothing (talk) 07:32, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh for heaven's sake. Of course there is no such reference. No one is suggesting there is. It's just an example of what you need to do to keep the phrase. And there is no grandfather clause for problems with articles, often an old article will be found to have problems after being ignored for a long time. Dougweller (talk) 10:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

text:  I suggest waiting to find out if that is true or not. The "jokey" tone of the so-called reference is not appropriate and causes offence, even if not to you. Why not just remove it? Or perhaps you enjoy causing offence? Time Will Say Nothing (talk) 14:47, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And this is Wikipedia, the foundation or whoever you contacted isn't going to get involved. Try WP:ANI which is where you can get the attention of Administrators if you want to complain about edit-warring. Dougweller (talk) 10:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Find out if what is true? Dougweller (talk) 16:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Don't worry about it. I've raised this editor's behavour at WP:ANI. Dougweller (talk) 06:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  add infobox, change status 

message: :This "reference" is mocking and inappropriate. There is no such reference. Are you deliberately trying to set up an edit war? I am going to remove it again and I have taken up your edit warring with Wikipedia. Please also note that the "probably his finest work" phrase has been up for a couple of years or more. Why pick on it now? Time Will Say Nothing (talk) 07:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This page has numerous editors. This editing and commenting targeted exclusively at me is far from appropriate. Time Will Say Nothing (talk) 07:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer your earlier question, the info is in the sources and in the autobiography. I'm sure one of the many editors of this page will get around to referencing it properly at some point. Time Will Say Nothing (talk) 07:32, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh for heaven's sake. Of course there is no such reference. No one is suggesting there is. It's just an example of what you need to do to keep the phrase. And there is no grandfather clause for problems with articles, often an old article will be found to have problems after being ignored for a long time. Dougweller (talk) 10:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

text:  I suggest waiting to find out if that is true or not. The "jokey" tone of the so-called reference is not appropriate and causes offence, even if not to you. Why not just remove it? Or perhaps you enjoy causing offence? Time Will Say Nothing (talk) 14:47, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And this is Wikipedia, the foundation or whoever you contacted isn't going to get involved. Try WP:ANI which is where you can get the attention of Administrators if you want to complain about edit-warring. Dougweller (talk) 10:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Find out if what is true? Dougweller (talk) 16:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Don't worry about it. I've raised this editor's behavour at WP:ANI. Dougweller (talk) 06:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I've just pruned the massive infobox added by a now-banned editor. The entire family tree was there. These boxes are not supposed to be vertical bios and a lot of the material in it was both unreferenced and not in the article. I kept "Relatives" but cut it down to only those who have WP articles. Also per infobox guidelines I removed the external site, which is not Shaw's official site at all and may actually contain factual errors to boot. I'd appreciate it if editors would discuss here before re-adding any of the stuff I've removed. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose technically the relatives section should be as described here. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:58, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, now done. Voceditenore (talk) 07:28, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: There is no evidence that I know of which shows that Martin Shaw found Bunessan when he was researching the English Hymnal back in 1904.  As it was orignially a carol, it is probable, from correspondence in the Martin Shaw Archive sent by Percy Dearmer, that Martin found the tune whilst researching the Oxford Book of Carols, which had been published shortly before work on the Enlarged version of Songs of Praise  began.  ixo (talk) 13:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bunessan 

message: I've added details about the MS Archive, most of which is now with the British Library. ixo (talk) 09:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: added list of secular work, made from information in the MS archive. ixo (talk) 10:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secular Work 

message: This recording has been available since 2012 or so, http://delphianrecords.co.uk/product-group/the-airmen-songs-by-martin-shaw/  It could be added to the article. ixo (talk) 08:33, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography

message: Don't think the 1969 entry is valid. The Greater Light anthem for double choir, published in 1964, is however, and should be added. https://www.musicroom.com/product-detail/product52548/variant52548/martin-shaw-the-greater-light/ixo (talk) 08:33, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Posthumous Publications