Talk:Home Secretary

message: What the hell does it mean to say that the Lord Chancellor is unelected?  All British cabinet ministers are unelected... john 08:29, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess.  But historically, most Lord Chancellors have been MPs when they are made Lord Chancellor.  Then they are granted a peerage.  Just about every Lord Chancellor, save Lord Bathurst, who inherited his title after he ceased to be Lord Chancellor, has been a peer of first creation (well, the 2nd Lord Hailsham is weird, because he renounced his hereditary peerage and then was granted a life peerage in order to become Lord Chancellor).  At any rate, it's utterly insane to say that the office is bad because its holder is unelected.  Whether or not someone is elected as an MP, I don't see what that has to do with the selection process for ministers, who are all chosen by the PM, at this point (and officially chosen by the Queen).  At any rate, this is an issue from two months ago, so no real need to do anything about it - I already corrected the article. john 00:47, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old discussions

message: Should this be anointment or appointment? I don't think Church of England bishops are normally an(n)ointed! rossb 16:09, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Bishops are annointed, it's part of their investiture ceremony Gymnophoria (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: annointment of bishops

message: Is not Northern Irish law also separate from English law?  Does the Home Secretary have jurisdiction there too? --Jfruh 14:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jurisdiction over N. Ireland? 

message: The section on social issues needs changing - social exclusion has never sat with the Home Office, and voluntary sector and race policy has now moved. I'll look to change this as soon as I can. Greycap 20:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social policy 

message: The page's been moved here and has been comfortable for over a year. But all things change, WP grows, and the time has come to recognise that while no other country has a cabinet-rank internal affairs minister who calls himself the home secretary, several other countries have very prominent officials who are known as the home secretary. People should prepare themselves for a change to this page in the near future. Hornplease 06:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Home Secretary" is, I think, a primary usage for the British  cabinet member.  john k 15:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving this out again 

message: Is this really that unusual?  The Home Secretary is like a continental interior minister, not a justice minister, and most continental countries have a separate justice minister who deals with such things. john k 15:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separation of justice issues from home secretary 

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message: The terms of office had Kenneth Clarke and Kenneth Baker as Home Secretary at the same time, and David Waddington and Douglas Hurd overlapping by several months. I have corrected these. If anyone finds any more, please check against the ref I added. Richard75 (talk) 01:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was unanimous support for move now and unanimous support for move in 2005. This is essentially a revert of an undiscussed page move that was against consensus (and the relevant guideline) when done, though it likely the mover was not aware of prior discussion.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong dates 

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To answer Septentrionalis, there was a minor debate before on this page about other countries using the "Home Secretary" title, but given the redirect already exists I don't think that's a major issue. The "interior ministry" page only designates Britain as having a Home Secretary by that title. Many countries such as France designate their counterpart as an "interior minister", or some such similar title.YeshuaDavid (talk) 19:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: :Secretary of State for the Home Department → Home Secretary — This page was moved without warning a couple of days ago by User:Jimmi Hugh to "Secretary of State for the Home Department", despite two consecutive move requests, in 2005 and in May this year, that have seen universal support from other editors. I would like this article to be moved back to "Home Secretary", and for it to recieve move protection. I have posted a comment on Jimmi Hugh's talkpage, although he received a 24hr block from something unrelated to this page shortly after making the move, and it looks like it has only just expired. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 18:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: This tells you little about the office and should be treated as a stub. The list of home-secretaries belongs on a page of its own.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 11:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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message: I've noticed someone has edited the style for all cabinet ministers and added "Mr/Madam Secretary" - this sounds terribly American so I will change this within the week unless a source is provided to support this style of address.
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thread_title:  Style 

message: I've placed a  template on the article, because the UK isn't the only country in the world with an office known as "Home Secretary". Bangladesh, India, and Australia, at the least, have government officials with that title. Largoplazo (talk) 13:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose moving this page to Home Secretary (United Kingdom), and then converting this to a disambiguation page with links pointing there as well as to new redirects for Home Secretary (India), etc., each leading to the appropriate section of the article on the respective country's counterpart to the Ministry of Home Affairs. Largoplazo (talk) 13:55, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose in English the British Home Secretary would be the common name and none of the others have an article named "Home Secretary (foo)" so I dont see any reason to move this one. MilborneOne (talk) 18:44, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A topic doesn't have to have an article if it's discussed somewhere here and if it's a legitimate target for an ambiguous term. It's a fact that Wikipedia explains at least four different Home Secretary offices. We help users find information whether or not a whole article is devoted to it. If there's consensus that for Wikipedia users, the British Home Secretary is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, then I can see not moving this one and, instead, putting an "other uses" hatnote at the top that points to a disambiguation page. But I'm a little doubtful that such a consensus would be achieved, as there's no reason why the UK Home Secretary would be any more the "regular" one than any of the others. Largoplazo (talk) 19:00, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont have a problem with you adding a disambiguation page link to Home Secretary (disambiguation) to the top of this article but as none of the other articles are named "Home Secretary (foo)" you would have to check that dab page rules allow this. MilborneOne (talk) 19:06, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have to check the rules. I started this discussion knowing full well that the rules encourage and discuss the preferred approaches to this. :-)  See MOS:DABSECTION. Largoplazo (talk) 20:05, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: I am not sure the paragraph in the opening section relaying current Home Secretary Priti Patel's significance as the 4th female/2nd BAME Home Sec is appropriate, nor the section outlining her stance on the 'Black Lives Matter' protests. The paragraphs would seem to paint a the latter comments in a positive/neutral light when they were not uncontroversial and would benefit from further contextualisation in a more appropriate space, namely the biographical entry for Priti Patel. 
This article is about the office, not the individual currently holding it who has her own Wikipedia entry - These extra biographical details were not provided when Sajid Javid held the office, for example, which merely stated that he was the current Home Secretary and had held the office since 2018 with a link to his personal biographical entry. 
92.232.192.53 (talk) 12:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed that, suggesting that the Patel article would be a more appropriate location for the material. EddieHugh (talk) 21:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there too much focus on current Home Secretary as opposed to the office? 

message: * I have not been part of the back and forth on the capitalisation on this (although I have always thought the MOS was backwards on the way it deals with capitalising public offices), but if it is to be "The secretary of state for the Home Department, otherwise known as the home secretary", shouldn't the article title be "Home secretary", rather than "Home Secretary", and why is the IB title "Secretary of State for the Home Department", with capitals. Why is the post deemed to be lower case, but the Home Department needs capitalising? - 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:ED3C:48F5:4E41:9785 (talk) 16:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Further reversions on capitalisation on 19 October

message: I don't understand why all the SofS's pages say they are a secretary of state. It already implies it in the title and says so in the status box. Therefore that's why I have changed it AtishT20 (talk) 22:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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message: I've changed the capitalisation of the titles at the top of the article, per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Positions,_offices,_and_occupational_titles. Please note that the mentions at the top of the articles are titles, and should therefore be capitalized. An office holder of the job is, generically, a home secretary, but also, specifically, the Home Secretary. See the difference? — The Anome (talk) 13:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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