Template talk:WikiProject Schools

message: Does this template apply to school districts as well? --Geopgeop 08:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: School districts 

message: I have been putting this onto schools articles as and when I see them, but I noticed it uses two categories that dont exist:
*:Category:WikiProject Schools articles needing infoboxes has been changed to :Category:School articles without infoboxes
*:Category:Unknown-importance school articles
Should these be created?
--Regan123 02:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, sorry about that. They shouldn't be red links anymore.  Jh12 07:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: edited to reflect replacement category name Dbiel (Talk) 03:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: The image :Image:School.svg looks like it could do with a bit of work.  The perspective is wrong and looks a bit messy, shall I work on a tidy up or replace with an image like :Image:Apple-book1.svg? Richard Thompson (Talk! | Contribs) 11:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather it remain a school house (Or something else denoting a school rather than education) and preferably not one that looks like a college but the current image could definitely use some reworking. That specific image (Apple-book1.svg) is the "logo" for the education wikiproject so using it would be a little confusing. This should probably be discussed on the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Schools page as that's where the most recent major changes were discussed. Adam McCormick 16:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:School.svg]] 

message: Can't you have that assesment comment as a drop-down or something like most project assesment banners do? The current formatting is really ungainly, and at times ruins the talk page flow. Aditya Kabir 20:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would if I knew how. Can you point me to the pages on which this has caused a problem? Adam McCormick 23:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, I've revamped it and it's much more stable all-around (it doesn't tranclude the main template) Adam McCormick 21:13, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Strange assesment banner formatting

message: You can now use the move parameter to specify a move, may need to change namespace at some point Adam McCormick 06:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why wouldn't you just go ahead and move it? I don't see the point of this parameter. --kingboyk (talk) 19:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to, but there is an obscene amount of debate that goes into what some of these schools should be called and how they are disambiguated. This is kind of a "Hey I think this needs to be moved, but dedicated contributors can decide" way of doing things. We tried it your way and caught a whole lot of flak from alumni and "friends" of specific pages. Adam McCormick (talk) 05:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It seems to be broken right now (For example, see Talk:Denbigh High School, Luton) -- Ratarsed (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be broken, I'll be looking into it in an hour or so if noone gets there first. Adam McCormick (talk) 23:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Took longer than intended, but I've got a working version. Now just waiting on admin. Adam McCormick (talk) 06:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be fixed, let me know if more needs to be done. Adam McCormick (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: I have been building this template in parallel and I think its extra features are now sufficiently hidden. I will be merging it back into this template unless there are any objections raised. There should be no visually appreciable difference. Adam McCormick 17:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|WPSchoolsAssessment}} 

message: Articles that were rated before this feature was added are now marked as needing an infobox because it's the default setting. Could someone please change this (or I'll see if I can do it when I have more time)? WODUP 19:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. WODUP 05:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text: There are a significant number of assessments which operate on the assumption that the default is yes as well. I'm reverting it unless there's a better reason. Adam McCormick 18:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in the process of writing a bot which will make this problem moot. See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BoxCrawler for my request. Adam McCormick 18:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bot has been approved-ish and will run through all 8000+ articles tinight and into tomorrow. I'll let everyone know in the morning when it's finished. Adam McCormick 15:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs infobox 

message: There has been concern from one editor concerning the amount of space this template takes up. I personally don't see it as an issue because the banner can be nested which will shrink it to a single line, but I'd prefer discussion to a revert war. Please let's discuss the "bloated" nature of this template before we slash it beyond usefulness. Adam McCormick (talk) 23:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whilst i dont think the template is that big, it could be made smaller by removing the collaboration bits, i dont know of any other project that does that in their WP template. Your point about nesting them is a good one, and thats what should be done. Twenty Years 00:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning Size of Template 

message: Is it worth ignoring the "needs-infobox" parameter and treating it as a no, if the class parameter is set to "cat" (or "template")? In addition, is it worth allowing it to have some kind of splits, possibly in line with the stub classes (so for an article that would need an 'Infobox UK school', set to 'UK') -- I imagine this would be relatively easy for a bot to calculate too (So, in the above example, any page that is in, or has as a ancestor category, 'Schools in the United  Kingdom'; I only suggest, as the category has over 12,000 pages in it now... -- Ratarsed (talk) 11:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you make a more specific proposal? Nothing you're saying sounds hard but I'm a little confused as to what you think needs doing. Adam McCormick (talk) 00:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The bot already places a "no" if the page has a non-article rating. Adam McCormick (talk) 21:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs-infobox 

message: I'm just putting a note here so that C-class is add properly so that the Bot may correctly process it. Calebrw (talk) 01:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We should be fully compliant as soon as I can get the new template revision pulled over. Adam McCormick (talk) 02:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great work. Thanks. Calebrw (talk) 13:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  C-Class 

message: I have made several additions to the template to include more robust handling of different page types, the C-Class and responded to several comments. The updated version is located at User:Alanbly/WPSchools and example usage may be found here. PLease note that the protection template is commented out and should be uncommented when moving the content over. Thanks Adam McCormick (talk) 03:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Happy‑melon 09:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need an edit 

message: I noticed this: Talk:Friends School Haverford
The "" is not added properly.
Calebrw (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. When I removed the extra parameters, the category appeared. See the old edit for how it looked before --Jh12 (talk) 20:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look into it. I think this means that "page" was specified as a space or tab, I'll look into putting through a fix. Adam McCormick (talk) 21:00, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bug? 

message: The "importance" parameter is hidden for non-article assessments, I've updated the categories to reflect this. The fixed version is at User:Alanbly/WPSchools. Thanks and let me know if there are any issues. Adam McCormick (talk) 00:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: , please let me know if there are any issues. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Bug 

message: Some of the new edits removed the addition of Stub and Start articles to their importance category I believe the following change needs to be made 
Old:
 
-->{{#switch:
|start|stub|dab|disambig|disambiguation|cat|category|image|na=
|fa|fl|ga|gl|a|b|c|start|stub|list
|#default={{#switch:
New:
 
-->{{#switch:
|dab|disambig|disambiguation|cat|category|image|na=
|fa|fl|ga|gl|a|b|c|start|stub|list
|#default={{#switch:
--Jh12 (talk) 16:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully that will solve the problem. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *It worked; many thanks, --Jh12 (talk) 11:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Category Bug 

message: Is it possible to edit this template so that template class functions the same way as cat/category class?
*If class=template and importance is not listed then the template is added to :Category:Unknown-importance school articles 
*If class=template and importance=NA then the template is not added to the category
*If class=cat the template is NOT added to :Category:Unknown-importance school articles regardless of the importance= setting.
For an example see:
*Template talk:OrangeCA-school-stub
*Category talk:Los Angeles County school stubs
Dbiel (Talk) 20:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed this and the fix is sitting at User:Alanbly/WPSchools. PLease remember to re-add  when the change is moved. Thanks Adam McCormick (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done Happy‑melon 22:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the quick fix Dbiel (Talk) 22:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template class 

message: It appears that the template is still adding pages using class=cat to :Category:Category-Class school articles instead of the new :Category:Category-Class school pages. can this be fixed? Dbiel (Talk) 06:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure why this wasn't changed when the other cats were, but I've fixed this and the fix is sitting at User:Alanbly/WPSchools. Please remember to re-add  when the change is moved. Thanks. Adam McCormick (talk) 23:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 12:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  class=cat  pages going to wrong category 

message: This template needs to utilize  to add an icon to a grade.--Unionhawk Talk Review 16:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The proper way would be to make this banner use . Feel very free to prepare it in Template:WPSchools/sandbox, and once it's ready and there's consensus for the switch please request the edit again. --Amalthea 16:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, I notice  was working on just that already. Please just give him time, I'm sure he'll finish it sooner or later and will make the edit himself. --Amalthea 16:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit 

message: This template places an article in WP Schools, which covers "articles about individual schools, school districts, and some general articles".  Articles of the last type, e.g. School, articles in :Category:School types or :Category:Associations of schools, need to be rated for quality and importance (like other articles), but have no use for infoboxes.  And yet BoxCrawler will set needs-infobox to "yes" for these articles, even if it was previously "no".
Could there be some way we can declare that articles need to be rated but do not need an infobox, without having it undone by BoxCrawler?  (I know about template:infobox BoxCrawler, but that seems an ugly solution for this problem.)  Or could BoxCrawler just leave an explicit "no" alone? Kanguole 00:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs-infobox and BoxCrawler again 

message: Hi-I believe that the sandbox has a WPBM version that is ready to implement, with the full features. I'll be happy to take care of redirecting several project categories to their new names, that are commonly populated by the WPBM template. Thanks --Funandtrvl (talk) 07:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a few adjustments. For example, the attention parameter is not used by the project. And the comments subpage feature is not used, so I disabled that. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:58, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: --Request to add attention and comments parameters. If you look back at the previous version of this template, there was a "info" parameter that acted very much in the same way as the comments parameter does in the current WPBM banner. Also, the project uses "Schools articles needing expert attention" and "Schools needing cleanup" for articles in the mainspace, many projects have found that this works well in tandem w/ the attention parameter that is for the talk pages. Also, since many other projects use the standard attention & needs-infobox (already included) parameters, adding the attention parameter would enable the template to show additional article's talk pgs that weren't tagged by the other templates that are populating the expert and cleanup categories. In other words, it can't hurt and it would give the project additional tools to use; the reason the parameters may not have been used in the past by the project, are probably because it's a long-time-ago-established project (2004) and because the WPBM didn't exist back then (est. 2008?), or wasn't widely used, with its more standardized parameters, categories and features. --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't we ask the wikiproject what they want? Otherwise it's just a guess. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

text: That's always fine with me. Maybe you have something in mind? --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: . Maybe you could disable the edit request while we ask for feedback? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Postponed "edit protected" request, because we are waiting for any further comments from other editors. Would like to add "attention=yes" parameter to banner for an article's talk page, which would work in tandem with "expert attention needed", which is for an article's main page. Also would like to add the "/comments" feature, that replaces and acts like the deprecated "info" parameter in the previous, non-WPBM version of the banner. It would allow any editor making an assessment to put their reasons and comments on a /subpage of the article's talk page.  --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that the "needs-infobox=no" does not need to be added anymore to the WPBM version of the WPSchools template, it only needs to be added if the answer is: "needs-infobox=yes". --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, since the template uses :Category:WikiProject Schools articles by quality, this category: :Category:School articles by quality keeps getting deleted, even though it was set up as a cat redirect, so there's always red-linked categories on the WPSchools template page. Any solutions?? --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:WPSchools/sandbox]] 

message: Would anyone be willing to add an auto-assessment (i.e. "|auto=yes") parameter to this template for bot taggings?  It would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 00:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What kind of bot taggings do you want to add support for? Just the usual automatic stub classification (if the article is using a stub template)? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, just for tagging articles in a stub category, such as :Category:South African school stubs, with "|class=stub". Arbitrarily0 (talk) 21:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: . There is a category which needs creating. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot!  The category (Automatically assessed Schools articles) has been created.  Thanks again, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 22:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auto-assessment parameter  

message: This template currently advertises the WikiProject as "an attempt to write quality articles about schools around the world.". To me the word "attempt" is rather defeatist or lacking in belief that it can be done. This thought came to me seeing it in combination with  which uses the more positive wording "a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of France on Wikipedia.". Borrowing that more active leads to a better, stronger advertisment for the merits of the project (imho).
Proposal:
*Change: "an attempt to write quality articles about schools around the world"
**to: "a collaborative effort to write quality articles about schools around the world"
or
**Change: "an attempt to write quality articles about schools around the world"
: "a collaborative effort improve Wikipedia's coverage of schools around the world".
I don't really have a preference between the two, and have no objection to other suggestions along these lines. Thryduulf (talk) 00:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "collaborative effort" is a definite improvement, but I think an emphasis on "quality" rather than "coverage" is worth keeping.  Kanguole 13:05, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are no other comments in the next couple of days I'll make the change to "a collaborative effort to write quality articles about schools around the world". Thryduulf (talk) 19:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thanks for the feedback Kanguloe, I've now made the change. Thryduulf (talk) 14:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better wording 

message: Could someone with  TE  rights please tweak  the template to  accept the class=draft.  I  would do  it  myself but  I  don't  like tinkering  with  templates. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:24, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New assessment  criterion 

message: It has been suggested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools that this project add a redirect class. I have already created the relevant category at :Category:Redirect-Class school articles. Please change  to  and  to . Thanks. EyeTripleE (talk) 08:43, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, why is this template edit protected? I see no signs of edit-warring in any of the discussions above? EyeTripleE (talk) 08:49, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES.. You ask why, 50,000+ transclusions. Bazj (talk) 09:33, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added to sandbox . See Template:WikiProject Schools/sandbox and Template:WikiProject Schools/testcases. EyeTripleE (talk) 10:13, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done Bazj (talk) 13:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 12 November 2015 - Add Redirect-Class,  

message: Please change lines 8–9 of the template source code which currently read:
 |QUALITY_SCALE       = inline
 |class=
to
 |QUALITY_SCALE       = subpage
 |class=
I've already created the required subpage with the appropriate parameters for use of the Class mask template in this manner. If there's reason to prefer the inline format for this template that I'm unaware of, then please import the new parameters from the subpage linked in the preceding sentence instead. — ⚞ 🐈ℛogueScholar  ₨Talk🗩 ⚟    03:29, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Please update the documentation as needed. Cabayi (talk) 13:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 10 September 2019 

message: WikiProject Schools has a successful and well-documented framework for managing articles that require editing to resolve a range of deficiencies, but it suffers from unnecessary fragmentation and fails to make use of more recent conventions for WikiProject workflows. After careful consideration I am requesting these changes to address that situation, being satisfied that it does not impact those who continue to use the existing methods, by adding an equally robust but more centralized and intuitive method to achieve the same range of outcomes. I've already verified that the destination categories exist and reside in the correct containers with appropriate content to facilitate their use and understanding. I'll update the documentation subpage, TemplateData and related project pages accordingly once the changes are complete.
Please replace line 16 (begins |PORTAL_IMG)of the existing source code with these two lines,
|attention=
 |ATTENTION_CAT     = School articles needing attention
and insert the following after line 27 (begins  |NOTE_3_CAT):
|note 4=
 |NOTE_4_TEXT        = This  has been marked as needing cleanup.
 |NOTE_4_IMAGE       = Edit-clear.svg
 |NOTE_4_CAT         = Schools needing cleanup
|note 5=
 |NOTE_5_TEXT        = This  has been marked as needing attention from an expert on schools.
 |NOTE_5_IMAGE       = Ambox important.svg
 |NOTE_5_CAT         = Schools articles needing expert attention‎
|HOOK_NOTE=
;Rationale:
* The PORTAL_IMG parameter was removed from the transcluded meta template nearly a decade ago after all portal image declarations were centralized on single subpage; it no longer serves any purpose here.
* Replacing it with the standard pass-through parameter for non-expert attention and adding equivalent notes for the other established project templates gives WPSchools participants and other editors a single point of action to effectively categorize articles according to their needs and receive attention from those best suited to address them. A plurality of active WikiProjects have already added this functionality to their banner templates to decrease the learning curve for new editors and encourage more effective use of their maintenance categories.
* As the Rater gadget continues to see wider popularity, this will also allow those users to accomplish all the same results entirely from within that workflow.
Thank you for taking the time to review this request and act as you deem appropriate. — ⚞ ℛogueScholar🐈 ₨🗩 ⚟ 08:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem making these changes but would you mind coding them in Template:WikiProject Schools/sandbox first? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Request disabled pending sandboxing of code — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 15 November 2019 - attention parameter