Talk:Clan MacNeil

message: Needed lots of work. Errors in spelling and format. It contained material not appropriate for an encyclopedia.  Still needs some more information to flesh it out. -- January 1, 2006 67.62.85.151 
Added more information and changed some things. -- January 16, 2006 Ronin.shinta
A lot of editing done...Citations needed, especially in the "trivia" section. -- Scientizzle 20:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

message: This article uses the terms Norse in an ambiguos way. I believe it is commonly accepted that Norsemen or Norse in English usage is a general term for Scandinavians of the Viking era. When you say "of Norse or Danish origin" it is similar to saying "of British or English origin". If you mean Norwegian say so. If you know the people were predominantly Norwegian and Danish say so. If it is unclear if the people were predominantly Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic or other Norsemen use Norse. Norse is not synonymous to Norwegian and the Norwegians were as clearly defined as Swedes and Danes were so there is no reason to replace Norwegian with Norse. It will only add confusion.Inge 17:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norse and Danish 

message: The massive list of names that was recently copy and pasted from various McNeil, Neil, etc. disambig pages belongs on those disambiguation pages - not this article. Same goes for Al Gore and his ggg-grandfather McNeil...--Celtus (talk) 05:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Irrelevant content removed.--Celtus (talk) 09:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What irrelevant content? Can you please discuss what you're doing before making executive decisions!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.19.254 (talk) 18:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did discuss it, left it for about a week and then made the changes. Here is what i was referring to though - .--Celtus (talk) 06:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: disambig page info

message: Hey, I'm an American with Scottish roots, and I don't know much about heraldry. I do know that only the chief can wear the coat of arms, but I was wondering if is approporiate to place the coat of arms on the Wiki page, and if so, would someone be willing to include one and a discussion of the symbolism?
the motto of clan mcneill SURRENDER OR DIE, much migration and clans imprisoned, killed after culloden, lots went to the colonies, you bustve come from one ae those brave soals, trying to restore, the rightful stewart line, n theres a lot of catholics still in Scotland, its all mixed up in the protestant thing and how the british monarchs head of the church etc...I digress....so aye, my grandfather and census records show migration from islands to central Scotland in 1800s and more in 1900s checkable on ancestry , com site...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.252.161 (talk) 17:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Georgiamed. We need to know the copyright status of the images. Read this: Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. Anyways, the image quality of the coat of arms on the Canadian site, sucks. I don't think there's much point uploading that. Plus we don't know where it came from, or whether it is out of date or not. The American site is pretty dubious, because it appears to be just bits and pieces pulled from websites around the net. For instance, he's pulled the crest badges from scotclans.com, and the maps are pulled off electricscotland.com, he's also pulled text off houseofnames.com. You can bet the coat of arms there is from some other website. We shouldn't use anything from that website, plus i don't think it should even be linked in the article, (Wikipedia:External links). I think, if we want to show the chief's arms we need to get the correct blazon (description) of his arms, then we could try and find a person on the Wikimedia Commons who will create an image from the blazon. We need to know the correct blazon because there's no way of knowing whether the pics you see in books or on the net are current, out of date, or made up, or just mistaken. A perfect example are the user created crest badges in our article right now. I think both have mistakes in them... (the crest is wrong in the MacNeil one, and the motto is wrong in the McNeill one).--Celtus (talk) 06:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Here's a blazon of the arms of MacNeil of Barra, (source: ). I think it is out of date though, for instance the crest doesn't appear to be current, also the motto is different from the one used in the crest badge, there may be other things too, but those are the only I noticed right now. Here's what the reference gives... "Arms: Quarterly. 1, Vert, a lion rampant or. 2, Argent, in base the sea, with a castle issuant therefrom proper. 3, Or, a lymphad, sails furled sable. 4, Or, a dexter hand palewise couped gules, within an orle of nine fetterlocks. Crest: A rock proper. Supporters: Two lions propre. Motto: "Vincere vel mori" (Vicotry or death). Lyon Register, II,5; III, 24; XXII, 60; XLVI, 61."--Celtus (talk) 21:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Coat of Arms

message: Clan MacNeil may be a Good article candidate (Wikipedia:WikiProject Clans of Scotland/Assessment). One problem I foresee is the unreferenced list of chiefs, is this list really necessary? Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 01:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No Chance! Not until the errors, lack of refs, and typographic inconsistency is sorted out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.105.238 (talk) 23:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clan MacNeil Good article candidate?. 

message: There are actually 2 versions of the Latin Motto circulating: "Vincere vel mori" and "Vincere aut mori". Both of them seem to be extant on the Internet, though "vel" seems to be more common.
Technically "aut" is "exclusive or" while "vel" is "inclusive or" (i.e. vel includes the logical concept of "conquering while also dying"). 
Personally (as a "Neill"), I know this as "vincere vel mori", but someone authoritative should weigh in.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.19.201 (talk) 15:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin Motto 

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