Talk:John Anthony Walker

message: According to this military historian's master's thesis , CWO John Walker was probably lying about walking into the Soviet embassy in Washington DC and that he probably walked into a different embassy when he was abroad with the navy.  This inaccuracy should be removed from the article.  (but not by me--I have poor writing style.)  24.43.87.201 00:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We should be careful: I've heard that this student's master's thesis is "fraught with errors" (from a crypto history group). At least, I'd recommend we try to find a source for this information either way. — Matt Crypto 01:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

text: The Mitrokhin Archive disagrees with this master's thesis, e.i., states firmly that it was the Soviet embassy in Washington D.C. The name of the rezident is given, and the account is within a section about walk-ins to Soviet rezidentny in the United States. Now, there are criticisms of Mitrokhin, but by and large he is a reliable source.  The account of the Walker spy ring can be found on pp. 205-6 of The Sword and the Shield, the first volume of the archive. -Fsotrain09 03:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've readded the article, properly attributed -- it's a line of argument, it comes from a reliable source, and vague comments about its accuracy from unreliable sources need not be given weight. If there is a refutation using facts or even just argument, that could be written into the article, too. We are not bound to present only one version of events. --Dhartung | Talk 23:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous discussions without headers

message: : I served in the Navy when the Walkers were caught, and I still remember just how despicable this man was.  I think if this article was revamped, two sourse to use would be the books Family of Spies (I forgot the author's name) and Spy Hunter, by Robert W. Hunter, who was the FBI agent formaly introduced, with credentials, to the Walker boy just getting off the plane while wearing handcuffs.  Also, what is the policy concerning photographs of these individuals for the site, if the photos happen to be taken by news organizations?  Carajou 04:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pete Earley, a former Wash. Post reporter, is author of Family of Spies. He was on the History Channel years ago when it ran the movie based on his book. There was also a BBC documentary (I've forgotten the name) I saw with a Navy reserve unit, which cited one of Walker's chiefs-of-the-boat (senior enlisted on a sub) as Bill Wilkinson, who was later a senior honcho (Grand Dragon?) in the KKK, so Walker learned early on how to use a subversive org. as a front (joining Birch Society, KKK): Wilkinson was an FBI informant.—BubbleDine 18:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm certain he got life in prison, although you're right, bio. doesn't say. BTW, the Rockville hotel where Walker was nailed is still there, but it's no longer a Ramada Inn.—BubbleDine 18:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible sources 

message: There are too many to cite, but because this page involves the dealings of an entire family, there are several locations where just the name Walker is used.  While it's generally decipherable if one really reads the full context of everything before it, skimming the page or even jumping to sub headings makes it rather difficult if not outright impossible to really understand which Walker is being discussed.  Even still, I did read the entire page carefully and thoroughly and there were at least 2 or 3 separate examples where I truly felt I couldn't be positive which Walker was being referenced, particularly around the details of their capture, arrest, and plea bargaining.  
While I generally fully support just providing the last name of a subject once they have been established, I think this page would strongly benefit from full names being used throughout for the benefit of the reader.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinludlow (talk • contribs) 16:16, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguity of the name Walker 

message: I don't understand what John Walker has to do with the shootdown of KAL 007.  If the claims cannot be substantiated, I think they should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.17.185.154 (talk) 00:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walker and KAL007? 

message: This article really needs some attention, as it is quite full of violations of the WP:BLP policy. Passages such as: "However, before long, the marriage became very troubled due to the couple's long separations. Walker was a flamboyant, hard-drinking womanizer and there were reports that he neglected his wife and children.", are POV, and in addition, not cited with sources. Two references for such a controversial topic (a spy) is insufficient. There needs to be sources for statements like: "Walker was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania. Coming from a broken home, he had various problems with the law as a teenager. A high school dropout, Walker committed a string of petty thefts and was arrested for one of them in the summer of 1955. John's older brother Arthur Walker (already serving in the Navy) talked the judge into letting John join the Navy instead of going to prison.", that is unacceptable to have in an article without verification. Additionally, the article uses many words to avoid, such as "allegedly": "Initially, Walker maintained a defiant attitude, allegedly telling his interrogators "If I had access, consider it gone!" " It also has original research in it, such as: "Some researchers believe Walker's nearly two decades of spying contributed strongly to the unprecedented accession of then-KGB director Yuri Andropov (whose agents had overseen Walker's activities) to become head of the Soviet Union after the November 1982 death of Leonid Brezhnev." I'm going to place this article on the noticeboard for BLP issues, as these are fairly serious issues that will need to be resolved. I'm unfamiliar with the subject, so I'm hoping another editor will be able to address these very serious issues. Thank you for reading! Ariel♥Gold 09:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed much and sourced everything except a couple of claims which are now tagged citation needed which I do not believe constitute substantial BLP violations. Given the similar language, I suspect that much of the above was sourced by the CourtTV article, which does have a substantially more lurid tone than Wikipedia articles are meant to. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:13, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the citation needed tag is overdone. An article with this many citations does not require each and every sentence to be cited inline! You will never find an article in an encyclopedia or anywhere with this many inline citations. Not everything requires it. I added a source and removed one of the ridiculous tags, but please restrain from tagging them for every single fact. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 05:48, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You replaced two cite needed tags with cites, correcting two factual errors in the process. That's why we need the citations. - SummerPhD (talk) 06:26, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:BLP]] 

message: First the article states that John was born in Washington, DC,
then it says also that he was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Which is right?
DocRushing (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Scranton is incorrect. I'm going to remove it. He met and married in Scranton but John was born in Washington D.C. I have fixed it and sourced it. Clearly the person who wrote this only half read it. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 06:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth 

message: In the first paragraph of the section entitled "Arrest and imprisonment", the last sentence says, "[Barbara] did not then know that Michael had become an active participant".
However, the second sentence declares, "When John drew Michael into his espionage activity, Barbara sought to put an end to the spying and save her only son".
Those two statements clearly contradict each other.
Which one is correct?
Maybe one or more of the watchers here know about that – or have access to the requisite reference materials.
Thanks.
Doc – DocRushing (talk) 17:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A contradiction about Michael and Barbara 

message: is there any possible reliable source about how Walker fared in prison, such as assaults or treatment? Bearian (talk) 13:14, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: kind of hard to be suffering from  stuff when you are already DEAD! typical wikipedia   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.191.14 (talk) 16:52, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life in prison 

message: Arthur Walker is mentioned and his sentence listed before his relation to John Walker is explained (in the next paragraph). NOwhere else in the story does Arthur Walker appear, so it's a mystery as to how and in what ways Arthur Walker was involved in the spying. - 64.187.160.52 (talk) 10:52, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arthur Walker 

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message: This WaPo article from 1985 seems to indicate he was heavily involved in recruiting for the Ku Klux Klan. Surely this merits mentioning in the article?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1985/06/11/note-says-walker-recruited-for-klan-birch/ba9328aa-4934-4733-9dce-2e14af8b2c51/
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thread_title:  Klan Membership 

message: Is anyone aware of what, if any efforts the Navy made when they realized they had this spy ring to break stop access to such critical material being passes? IF so - is that cleared for public release? Wfoj3 (talk) 23:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walker's Spy Ring