Talk:Serbs/Archive 3

message: Nikola, nice job on gathering the numbers, but your footnoting method (blind external-style links to named a-elements in the article) is not going to hold up: it requires that the links be in exactly this order, that none ever be interposed, and that no other external links are ever mixed in. Very unstable. I'll do my best to do a quick fix on that, but someone else may also want to have a go at it. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:10, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have attempted to use Wikipedia:Footnote3 system, but couldn't insert template within template, so I had to use links. I don't think that it is a good idea to have them numbered; yes, one has to take care about the order, but it is much smaller a problem than if one enters a reference to Croatia at the top, and now has to renumber all other references. On the other hand, maybe it would be even better if, instead of a reference for each number, we have a "Population references" subsection with the references sorted alphabetically by country, and a link to it from the infobox; but the current system might deter vandalism better so I'm not sure. Nikola 10:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

text: OK, now that we have three completely independent sources, one of them heavily anti-Serbian, which give 700,000 number, I believe that we may use that number as the only one, especially given that the other source only gives number of people from SCG (not counting their descendants etc.) and it doesn't say which period it covers. Nikola 20:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Could you give more information about the book? Who is the main editor, or at least the publisher, when and where it was published, does it have ISBN, on what page have you found the information? Is this the book featured at http://www.tatsachen-ueber-deutschland.de ? Nikola 20:05, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent revision of population statistics

message: There has been a revert war concerning which image we should use to illustrate the article, and I should really have thought of this before. I think that the vote should start after each author comments on own image. I also think it wouldn't be fair if authors would vote for their own images. Nikola 19:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just my two dimes - I'm against of putting the image of Mila Jovovic in this picture, since she doesn't even Speak Serbian. -- Obradović Goran  (talk 21:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Defeat? Hey man, can you count? Only you and HolyRomanEmperor are supporting your image! Nikola, Goran and I were agains. If you think that voting is finished, cool! I will revert Nikola's image. Your image was not accepted too. Voting is finished... --M. Pokrajac 00:22, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Ah yes. Jmabel was agains too, sorry. :) --M. Pokrajac 00:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image vote

message: This image has clear copyright status, and I have very carefully selected persons who will appear on it (it is detailed on image's page). On the other hands, Nikola's and Milla's pictures are not the best, but such is the price of clear copyright status... Nikola 19:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nikola's image

message: thumb|300px
I think that this picture is best choice. As you can see, here are icluded really most famous Serbs all over the world. I think that Divac is better choice than Mila, who is not verry much popular in Serbia, and we can not say that she is famous Serb. Religion, freedom, science, literature, and sport are most important elements in history of one nation. Antidote's image is not nice. Here we can see too many faces. We can put faces of all Serbs?:) Two lines of pictures is not good solution. The copyright status of these images is clear. --M. Pokrajac 10:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pokrajac's image

message: thumb|300px
This image represents Serbs of whom played an enormous role in the formation of Serb culture, science, and art. The copyright status 
is taken care of. Each image represents a famous Serb in a lesser known portrait/picture in order to illustrate the purview of the person's contribution. These images also display the reverence of which people treated the subject; note the sketch of Nikola Tesla and the portrait of Karadzic. The image displays a Serb scientist, inventor, linguist, military figure, Saint, author, revolutionary, and a Montenegrin hero. The geography of their origins also exemplifies the notion of a smaller Serbia outside of a Serbia, with a Bosnia birth, a Herzegovina birth, a Vojvodina birth, a Croatia birth, a Montenegro birth, and a motherland birth. The people's faces are easily viewed and can be enlarged upon clicking. 
If a few images bother you but you like the rest as a whole, mention it and I will easily replace those selected images with better ones of the subject. The image can also be easily resized if anyone wishes. Antidote 19:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just my two dimes - I'm against of putting the image of Mila Jovovic in this picture, since she doesn't even Speak Serbian. -- Obradović Goran  (talk 21:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Defeat? Hey man, can you count? Only you and HolyRomanEmperor are supporting your image! Nikola, Goran and I were agains. If you think that voting is finished, cool! I will revert Nikola's image. Your image was not accepted too. Voting is finished... --M. Pokrajac 00:22, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Ah yes. Jmabel was agains too, sorry. :) --M. Pokrajac 00:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Antidote's image

message: I personally don't greatly care which image is used. I gave my opinion, which appears to be more or less the same as M. Pokrajac's, and on the same basis, but I don't feel much stake in this choice. On the other hand, as an admin, I feel a lot of stake in the matter of false accusations of vandalism. 
#A good-faith edit that you happen not to agree with is not vandalism. 
#A legitimate content dispute is not vandalism.
#Assuming you would like other editors to be able to trust your edit summaries, please do not make false accusations of vandalism. Usually, most of us assume that when and experienced Wikipedia editor claims to be reverting vandalism, we don't need to check the edit. If you abuse this in your edit summaries, we stop being able to assume that. 
-- Jmabel | Talk 07:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Please don't accuse good-faith edits of vandalism

message: I cant see reason to take away this picture from this article! Everything except this is vandalism. Since we dont have majority for any of this 3 pictures, Nikola's image will be here. His image is first made image who have advantage for this. Until we adapt new image, this pic must be here. --M. Pokrajac 23:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverting first (Nikola's) image of Serbs