Talk:Motoko Kusanagi

message: Does anyone recall what the name of her online avatar in SAC (I believe it was episode 9) was as given in the credits? This seems like it could go under aliases since it was not Motoko's own name. --Katsuhagi 02:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was Chroma. 217.134.72.238 02:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alias Reference 

message: Don't the mangas, anime and movies have different storylines? Aren't each incarnation of Motoko different? I think we should make that more clear.
:Your wish has been granted. :) "Motoko Kusanagi is protrayed in different ways across the different media of manga, movie, and anime. Since each of these have different storylines, the character has been adapted in different ways to reflect the focus of the story. Thus, her physical as well as mental characteristics differ widely from story to story, and this is reflected in the different ways that artists draw her." I will keep adding information to this. I have been working on the movie version of the character in order to contrast it with the SAC character. If anyone would like to step up and take charge for the manga character, it would be great. Boneheadmx 23:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I think someone should get an image of Kusanagi from the manga to compare with the art from the animes and the movies. The anime and manga versions of her look quite similar while the movie version portrays her a bit differently, making her look older. Boneheadmx 00:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

text: OK, so I've found some images of the Major in the various mangas. These two pages here and here contain some examples. We can use these to contrast the different ways that artists have portrayed the character. Personally, I would choose this (NOTE: Contains adult content.) ;). In all actuality, though, that would be highly inappropriate, so let's choose one that we can all agree on. Boneheadmx 10:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Different Variations On The Character

message: I've been looking at the Citation tag in the GITS2: Innocence section for a while now, and it seems to be in increasing dire need of replacement each time I look at it. Should it be removed, or should I put in the quote from the "Making of" video included on the DVD?
"[Motoko] You are in the danger zone"
Notice I specifically referred to that video. The main movie itself replaces the Motoko in the captions with just Woman. CABAL 16:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't really offer anything beyond what's shown in the "Making of Ghost in The Shell 2: Innocence" video included on the DVD. The vid at about 10:50 shows the cutscene where Batou is warned that he is "inside the killzone" while within the store, and at 10:55 it cuts to the recording studio, where Motoko's voice actor (Atsuko Tanaka) is saying the exact same thing. Batou's voice actor is visible in the shot as well. CABAL 10:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: False? But he was in danger...from his left arm. Mayhaps the Major only got wind of it and could not discern any further details, merely being able to inform him only that he was in danger of some sort. I'd agree with leaving it out entirely, though. CABAL 14:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation? 

message: The term is used several times in the Manga entry. A wikilink or definition would be helpful. Is it a sexual term or a comic book term?
And the Major has 32^2 nerve endings? Why not say 1024?
The whole Manga entry is rather poorly written.
Nah nah nah you totally misread nerve endings. It's a measure of how many nerve endings per square area of skin, not a total number that is expressed in an unnecessary exponent. And "splashpanel" is certainly not a pornography term; it is a comic book term. I just don't know exactly what it means. --Cyde Weys 05:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was also wondering what a splashpanel is. Maybe it would be appropriate to explain this for the reader? --84.169.58.57 18:01, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What's a splashpanel?

message: On the television I would swear that I am hearing Gouda’s group refered to as the "Cabinet Intelligence Service", yet here it seems to be the "Cabinet intelligency Agency". Which is it, and if its not CIS why am I hearing that? TomStar81 10:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Cabinet Intelligence Agency" is how it was translated in fansubs before the series was liscensed. Likewise, the Individual Eleven were translated as the "Particularist Eleven". -- Staren — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.246.125 (talk) 04:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CIS vs CIA

message: Unless the fansub I watched had seriously bad translation, these "bots" are the tachikomas themselves; that is, their AIs. In 2nd Gig they've gained the ability to dissociate their AIs from their bodies (their AIs are not even stored in their bodies any more - the bodies are remote controlled via sattelite, where the AIs are actually stored, though this is transparent and so the tachikomas don't realize it until one of them looks inside one of the others and sees the AI chip is missing). Like the Major's, their cyberbodies are slightly different from their physical ones - the visual form their AIs take in cyberspace is missing parts of their limbs and joints for some reason. --Staren — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.246.125 (talk) 05:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "bots that resemble tachikomas"

message: I removed it entirely. The two paragraphs were just explaining the dividual/individual/dual episodes and the stand alone complex term. They haven't got anything to do with the *character* Motoko Kusanagi and they belong to the Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex page (where they are already explained, so it's also redundant). Pasi 01:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The "Stand Alone Complex" section of the article

message: There's a note on the end of this section that says: This needs to be better said. Many humans propagate artificially, after all. Perhaps it means propagates without a physical body? I agree. I propose removing the final sentence and adding this:
"The puppet master draws numerous distinctions between itself and the characteristics of an organic lifeform. Ultimately, Kusanagi and the Puppet Master agree to merge, forming a new entity with all the advantages of the Puppet Master's abilities in net-space and Kusanagi's physical presence and position, with the added bonus of variety, similar to the variety inherent at a genetic level to offspring of lifeforms which combine the DNA of two parents to form their young. This contrasts with the vulnerability to viruses that is a danger of simply copying a computer program such as the Puppet Master, or transferring to another prosthetic body as Kusanagi does."
Any thoughts? YourMessageHere 03:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The note on the 1995 film version

message: The article says the Major's cyborg body has the appearance of a 25-year old, but her real age is mid-thirties. I'm sure somewhere I've read/heard her real age is a lot more - mid-fifties perhaps? Can anyone confirm this? --217.134.72.238 02:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Age

message: There is a problem with the sexuality section, in reference to e-sex. "This panel was cut from the American release of the manga, as it would have entailed giving the book an "adults only" rating and Shirow decided it wasn't important to the plot." This statement is false, as the Dark Horse American publishing has the scene in question, in all it's uncut glory. The only thing appearing to be missing is the explanation of what the scene is supposed to mean (until now I thought it was simply fan-service).  — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.106.221.56 (talk) 18:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was originally cut from the release as per the reasons stated, not necessary and it would give an AO rating. It was later returned in another release.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.210.17 (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences in releases

message: second paragraph
"Did you dress like that just to distract me?" to the Major, who replies "Like I can help it."
it's in episode 14.She is actually not very dressed because she landed in garbage earlier.That's why the remark is made in the first place.--Pierson's Puppeteer 00:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one has mentioned that when you remove the sex scene from the comic, with the exceptions of the cover art, Motoko is hardly ever wearing particularly revealing in the original comic, and is usually pretty covered up all the time. I read somewhere that shiro wanted those pages pulled from the TPB because he realized how much it changed the dynamic of the character. 209.248.160.82 16:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: character analysis

message: Please add some references to the Character Analysis section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.101.152 (talk) 16:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There. A comprehensive list of sources for the section (and by extension, the entire article). TomStar81 (Talk) 19:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

message: I disagree with the fact that the plot is to long.
Its only talking about the character and her motivations.
You can only do that by mentioning the sytuations she gets in in the movies, anime and manga.
The reason the plot thread is so long is because there is simply alot to tell about the star of the Ghost in the Shell series.
Fell free to disagree, but this is my pov.--62.163.98.243 10:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot

message: A fictional cyborg belongs in the LGBT project? This is nonsense! --Energman 10:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is standard practice to tag all LGBT people, dead, alive, real or fictional, with our project banner. They do get worked on. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 02:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With three distinct versions of the character, manga, movie, and TV series, it's probably worth keeping better track of which version is being referred to, and when the material was produced. I can see a character being ambiguous in 1987, suggestive in 1997, and obvious in 2007. And it doesn't make any version wrong. Zhochaka 17:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Supposadly, in the manga motoko works as a lesbian internet porn star of some sort. But this is not necessarily canon, as Shirow agreed that it was not a necessary scene. Also, Motoko clearly has two girl friends (seen in the TV series and the manga). I am sure she has some bisexual leanings to herself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.210.17 (talk) 15:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: LGBT?

message: Is it really essential that her sexuality be the first thing dealt with in the entire article? I think the section is a little long as well. Can't you just call her bisexual and be done with it, instead of indexing every encounter, and including an elaborate description of why 'cyborg sex works better if you're gay'?Darien Shields 23:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the sexuality section is bit vague - in GitS:SaC season 2, conversation between Kusanagi and Batou gives the impression that Motoko is actually he, not she. He's using female cybernetic body due to its features, like charisma and flexibility. It slightly conflicts the original series as described in article. S33k3r 21:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to have to disagree with that, although that seems to be the case on the outside, realize Batou constantly jokes around with Kusanagi. Anime confirms that Kusanagi is a woman. For example, when Kusanagi enters the "memory keeper store", the shopkeeper tells the story about a girl who underwent full cyberization. Kusanagi even states that it was the "first boy she liked (or loved)". Whatever it was, Kusanagi refers to herself as a female as well. Several other members of Section 9 affirm her gender. Ishikawa once referred to Kusanagai as a "female gorilla". Togusa also called her an Amazonian. I also noticed that the section on Kusanagi's sexuality has been removed. I believe that is an extremely important aspect of Kusanagi. Chronicles1289 05:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it was all a joke from Batou. He was stating that since she act so masculine (although still feminine to me) she should go with a male model body. I believe they said something about a male body having more strength. But motoko stated that she liked the flexibility and other features of her current body.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.210.17 (talk) 15:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

text: she is a ladyboy ♥  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.150.212.171 (talk) 14:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality section really that important? 

message: I realize that the sexuality section was indeed probably in need of a cleanup and some cuts, but should we take it out alltogether?  I mean sexuality is an extremely important part of the Major.  Her charachter has always been that of an extremely sexual woman, and that does affect the people around her and is an important part to the character.  Like I said, that section was in need of a cleanup and possibly rewrite, but her sexuality is a huge part of her.  PS shes totally hot and pretty much every guys fantasy woman...except she'd kick your ass and probably kill you...*sigh* ...if she existed76.105.40.151 (talk) 02:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I noticed the convo about how her appearances changes, well what about the very skimpy pink suit she wears for pretty much the whole SAC series? There should be a pic of that. 76.105.40.151 (talk) 02:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She has always been fairly open about sex. But she certainly does NOT sleep around. I believe it was talked about in the manga and TV series. Since she lost her body so young, she doesn't really FEEL like a female. So, sexual encounters help with that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.210.17 (talk) 15:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

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thread_title:  Fair use rationale for Image:Youngmajorcybernetic.jpg 

message: The main article on Ghost in the Shell clearly states that the film and television series take place in similar, but alternate realities, whereas this article states that first, then goes on to say that they are meant to be part of the same continuous whole.  Why the contradiction?  The "salient" issues listed (similar chronology, tank designs and apprehension techniques) are all to be expected if the 2 seperate continuities took place in, for all intents and purposed, slightly differing versions of the same "reality".  Other than those thematically similar plot devices, the continuities differ pretty dramatically.  I think those last lines should be removed since it serves little purpose other than to confuse the issue, or at least dramatically changed to reflect that the continuities, while meant to be thematically similar, are not directly connected, as in, "this happens in the movie, then this happens to the same version of the character in the television show".  Thoughts? Astraeos (talk) 06:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuity Question 

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thread_title:  Image copyright problem with Image:Gits sac poster v.jpg 

message: Is the rank section really necessary? it's filled with a lot of original research and i suspect it's not even possible to make that section notable to keep>Bread Ninja (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we can add some sources to it. NewYorkStyledCheesecakes! (talk) 01:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt there's any source to it, the sources were all based someone's perspective. And no one really questioned whether she was major or not. In some areas of this, it seemed like a section for fans, which makes it similar to a blog.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:30, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

text: With regard to rank, during the Daidoh Incident (SAC), and in subsequent appearances (2nd GiG), Kusanagi wears a JGSDF uniform with Major's epaulettes. Others have noted this, what say you gentlemen ?--Deepshark (talk) 00:40, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Show us that it has. you can't just say "others have noted this" we need someone credible, not fans.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rank? 

message: Guess ill add refs here because i m not that good at using them to their full extent. Just found one only.
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oh well...hopefully more will come soon.Lucia Black (talk) 05:56, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs we might be able to use 

message: Lucia Black is engaging in edit warring to removed sourced content from Wikipedia. While the prose may be disagreeable, the content is important and verifiable with a type of inline citation. It's inclusion is important to the context of the character in the media. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:36, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  BRD violation 

message: There're quite a few categories on this page that overlap other categories.
* "Fictional majors",  "Fictional military personnel", "Fictional police officers", "Fictional soldiers", "Fictional mercenaries", "Fictional super soldiers", and "Fictional women soldiers and warriors".
* "Fictional technopaths" and "Fictional hackers".
* "Fictional cyborgs" and "Fictional gynoids".
"Fictional intellectuals" might need a bit more rationale. Related to that, "Fictional people with eidetic memory" just seems to be a direct result of her being part of "Fictional cyborgs".
Opencooper (talk) 00:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overcategorization