Talk:Carl Abraham Pihl

message: Given that Norway was by then a metric country, isn't the choice of an imperial gauge (3' 6") a bit strange?
Tabletop (talk) 11:45, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's two years since I read about Pihl, so I'm a little uncertain, but imperial units were still being used to a certain extent at the time. Of course, there were both Norwegian, Swedish, German and English inches, all that were slightly different (thus the metrification was welcomed). Arsenikk (talk) 10:31, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  And why 1016mm?
Tabletop (talk) 03:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The gauge was 3' 6", 1016 mm is the metric equivalent. Pyrotec (talk) 09:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not correct. .    Tabletop (talk) 23:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  If the  template works, you will find that it was , not , although I wonder if the intention was actually  :metre gauge.As for imperial units, don't forget that Der Adler was bought off the British shelf, and many other countries also adopted British gauges.It also works the other way, as the :Snowdon Mountain Railway was built in the 19th century to the Swiss  rack gauge. Tim PF (talk) 13:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metric or Imperial 

message: Were the narrow gauge lines all isolated from each other, or did they join up, or what this something in between.
Narrow gauge lines include:
* Meråker Line
* Østfold Line
Tabletop (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that Østfold Line, which goes from Oslo to and across the border to Demark, is standard gauge. The Meråker Line ran from the port at Trondhjem, in Norway, to Sweden and was used for exporting timber from Sweden (an ice-free port was required, hence Trondhiem). My understanding, and I'm not a expert, is that all lines apart from an isolated few which linked to harbours, did appear to congregate on a loop around Oslo, much as UK railways seem to link to various London termini. User:Arsenikk, is the expert, if we have an expert (I tend to review, rather than write, articles on Norwegian railways). Pyrotec (talk) 08:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  For a list, see List of railway lines in Norway. First the Trunk Line was built as standard gauge, and then those that were to connect to the Swedish network (which has passed legislation prohibiting new non-standard gauge lines) were built with standard gauge (Meråker, Østfold, Kongsvinger and Ofoten). However, Pihl got his way with the Trondhjem–Støren Line (which was isolated, but later continued as the Røros Line and then connected to standard gauge in Hamar). Similarly, the Randsfjord Line and Drammen Line and later the Vestfold Line and Lier Line were built in narrow gauge, so everything running west of Oslo (from its own station, Oslo Vestbanestasjon) was narrow. Other isolated lines built in narrow gauge were, among others, the Jæren Line, the Voss Line, the Setesdal Line, the Sulitjelma Line, the Lillesand–Flaksvand Line (the latter which never connected to the national railway). The Bergen Line was the turning point, because one made a political decision to connect two narrow gauge lines with standard gauge, causing the line to be longer to reach Oslo East Station, and the conversion of the Voss Line. Of course, everything was in the end either closed or converted to standard gauge. A few oddities: the Sulitjelma Line was at first , while the Thamshavn Line and the Trondheim Tramway were both metre gauge. There is sufficient information to write an article on the issue, but I don't know if I have sufficient sources at the moment, so I'd have to go to the library first, anyhow. Arsenikk (talk) 10:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrow gauge network 

message: 3' 6" gauge is sometimes written 3 1/2 feet in newspapers of the time, where "1/2" is a single symbol for type-setting purposes.
Newspapers in the nineteenth centuury typically had combined symbols for these fractions:
* 1/4
* 1/2
* 3/4
and do not appear to have symbols for other fractions.
Thus a 3 1/3 feet gauge would have been awkward to type-set.    Tabletop (talk) 23:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  1016mm (3' 4") gauge 

message: The Queensland Parliament chose  in about 1861.
The Queensland Railways opened in 1865.
Was Carl Pihl in Norway on the other side of the world influencing the choice of the same (his preferred) gauge in Queensland?     Tabletop (talk) 08:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite possibly! In the 1840s, Carl Pihl had worked in the UK with Robert Stephenson for two years and then on what was to become part of the Great Eastern Railway; and I believe he was a member of the (British) Institute of Civil Engineers (ICE). He'd certainly presented papers and contributed to discussions at the ICE on narrow gauge railways and he and "his system" were mentioned by name in contemporary discussions (of the ICE). He also wrote on the relative advantages of 5' 6" / metre gauge railways for India in the 1870s. Most of the railways were built by British contractors who know, or know off, Carl Pihl. (See http://www.icevirtuallibrary.com/search?value1=pihl&option1=all these papers are downloadable). I have another ICE paper somewhere, but it could take me some time to find it, as I'm going on holiday at the weekend for most of what is left of this month. Pyrotec (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Note, in the discussions on the railways of India it states the Pihl gave advice to the Agent General for Victoria, no dates given in that paper, but Victoria and Queensland are in the same continent. Pyrotec (talk) 16:08, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Norway/Pihl influence Queensland/Abrahm ? 

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