Talk:Debra Lafave

message: I'm changing the date given for the duration of her probation due to the fact that the Florida Department of Corrections website lists the year as 2015, not 2016. Note that it could be subject to further change. --65.35.34.48 17:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Probation termination schedule

message: The opening page of the Yahoo Groups thing that our correspondent finds so worthy of linking reads:
:For fans of Debra Lafave, the sexiest ex-middle-school teacher on earth! 
 
:Sure this young, newlywed hottie had sexual relations with one of her 14 year old middle-school students but that just makes her the greatest teacher ever in our book! 
 
:Join us as we follow the saga of Deb's life and continue reporting the news on all the latest Deb wannabees...
Good National Enquirer (or Neighbors' Wives) material. Not encyclopedic, however. Thus I'm about to delete it yet again. -- Hoary 04:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to get rid of the bible all together. I know that sounds communist or fascist, but it would clear up a LOT of problems with the way things work. Here7ic 05:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

text: (1) Whether or not this stuff is humorous, it does not appear to be informative. (2) You'd have to pay me a large sum of money before I'd read the Bible, though I'll concede that some bits are quite interesting. (As Ken Smith conveniently lists them in Ken's Guide to the Bible, I'm content with my copy of that.) (3) Yes, I did indeed contribute to Expletive, though mostly to the larger part that's irrelevant to "bad language". Still, if you wish to bring up bad-language expletives ("oaths", as they were quaintly called), they are indeed of some linguistic interest. They have nothing to do with the nudge-nudge wink-wink of the Yahoo Group. (4) Do please sign your contributions. Thank you for your trouble. -- Hoary 09:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I again direct your attention to ratemyteachers.com's very respectable Alexa score. Students and parents really do go to that site to find out about teachers. In any event, I wouldn't miss it if it was gone, I only restored it because you seemed to be removing it out of revenge over your Yahoo! group link being removed. Nevermind that you also vandalized the imdb template and the cleanup template. —Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 10:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Alexa scores don't impress me. I looked at the link, and sure enough it was crap so I removed it. (For now I shan't remove the link to the Yahoo Group.) -- Hoary 10:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They come awfully close to the proposed guidelines at WP:WEB, but that's for actual articles on websites (in other words, if there were a ratemyteachers.com article, WP:WEB wouldn't be satisfied, but for a simple external link I think a ranking of 15,000 is pretty good). —Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 11:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm male, but I wasn't aware that mattered; the word "they" works just as fine when gender is in doubt. As for my previous "apprisal" that was by MagnaVox's old IP address (see the long drawn out convo above). He's since made an account, MagnaVox, which he attempts to pass off as "someone else". The site is not "awful", it has a very respectable Alexa ranking (I'd like to think WP:WEB's 10,000 requirement for an article about a site should be doubled or triples for a link to a site). —Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 11:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Locke, you're right, sex doesn't matter -- it's just that MagnaVox was in such a tizzy about it. And I didn't mean to say that the site is awful (I haven't looked and don't know); but that linked page of it is. As for Alexa rankings, they don't impress me for various reasons, among them being the fact that they can only rank visits by people who are so docile that they use M$IE without even removing the Alexa spyware. -- Hoary 14:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only are Alexa ratings horribly unrepresentative, but they overrepresent people who purposefully try to raise their rankings there for promotional purposes. It's like if you handed the Neilsen ratings over to FOX TV marketers and tried to call the results useful. DreamGuy 19:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree, placing it there is just self-promotional spam. There is no good reason for it to be there. DreamGuy 09:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: It's obvious that you are either owner or involved there, either way would make it self-promotion. But it doesn't matter which, as the site is horribly unencyclopedic and does not deserve to be listed here. DreamGuy 03:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Yahoo Group smut link

message: Her name, according to the State of Florida, is Debra Jean Beasley (post-divorce). It's very likely then that her married name was Debra Jean Beasley Lafave. —Locke Cole 00:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the married women I know simply exchanged their father's surname for their husband's. For example Mary Ann Jones marries John Johnson and becomes Mary Ann Johnson. I've only known a few who moved their maiden name to the middle name slot. I would never call any of the variations modern American ladies adopt, involving maiden names, married names, hyphenations, wrong, but the two options described above are not the only possibiliites, or even the most traditional. Also, many married women retain their ex-husband's name following divorce, for a variety of reasons. It would be best to use whatever name she is documented as using, and not assume.24.131.12.228 07:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: You desperately need to read WP:NPA. Attacking people is not the way to convince them you're right. In America people sometimes put their maiden name into their married name, my wife did this when we were married for example. I did not claim that the FDLE listed her as "Debra Jean Beasley Lafave", I claimed it listed her as Debra Jean Beasley. In the police reports for her arrest she's listed as Debra Beasley Lafave. While it's possible I'm wrong, I believe it's likely the police report chose to omit her other middle name, Jean. If I get the chance, I'll try to find a source for the extended name Debra Jean Beasley Lafave. —Locke Cole 00:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this article uses the name she had at the time of arrest. KyuuA4 16:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Her name

message: Didn't the young guy gave consent,She did not rape him.
There is a minimum age of consent and she cannot be technically called a statutory rapist but thats what the charges are for.
I feel sorry for her actually.
Many murderurs havent got so much exposure as her.
220.247.253.46 11:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed an uncalled for remark left by 128.239.178.106 at the end of the preceding comment. And in responce, yes there is a minimum age of consent, and that boy was below it. Therefore, she commited statutory rape of a minor. --72.140.12.15 08:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you kidding me? Many, many 18 year old males have gone to jail for having sex with 17 year old girls.  That is called statutory rape.  It absolutely disgusts me that this happens, (usually because the girl's parents press the charges) - but then when a woman actually should be charged for statutory rape and isn't, I just want to yell. LarchOye 16:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, I'd advise you to avoid watching any news clips regarding her statements after the trial. Seriously, the only thing more ridiculous than attributing this behaviour to bi-polar dissorder, is listening to her congratulate herself for 'proving to the public that bi-polar exists.' --72.140.12.15 18:52, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: "18 year old males have gone to jail for having sex with 17 year old girls." First of all this is foolish, and I am sure other people would agree with this. The laws should be changed, people used to get married at 17 and younger. A great deal of the parents are nothing more than hypocrites. (After a doing everything and anything they wanted). --Margrave1206 18:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consent 

message: This case generates a lot of acrimony...
I was about to recategorize this article under "Statutory rapists", but after reading the discussion I'm not sure that's wise. --Chris 22:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chill out, everybody

message: Police took inappropriate pictures of Debra, as of September 14, 2005.Debra Lafave's Attorney John Fitzgibbons stated that Temple Terrace police took inappropriate photographs. The detective John Gillespie who investigated the case was arrested due to solicitation. He also the one who signed the search warrant that granted them to take sexual nude picutres of LaFave in stirrups while in a cell. 
Question, why does the article not have more of this info? Also why is there no picture of Lafave? 
 
On another note, why was the american public all in arms over this, he was 14 and she was 23. Last I recall in the states only 45 years prior 15 years olds married much older people. Atleast the relationship was normal.
--Margrave1206 17:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debbie LaFave  

message: I have removed the gratuitous sexual details that are in violation of official Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy. - Wikiwag 14:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:BLP]] Violations 

message: I believe the surname is actually LaFave, not Lafave.  This should be checked and, if this turns out to be correct, the article should be redirected to Debra LaFave. Gamer Junkie 02:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lafave/LaFave

message: Hi, discussion about a possible deletion was closed about half a year ago. Why is the note still present?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.176.145.142 (talk) 09:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove deletion note? 

message: The US magazine cite is now a dead link. Frankly, Carter's attempt to boost his notoriety with this tale (whether or not it be true) is not necessary to this article, it concerned "normal" sex between teens, not unlike the experience of millions who are/were sexually active at an early age. I'm for deleting this info, otherwise it needs a better cite. 76.3.159.175 (talk) 23:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nick Carter's virginity 

message: Don't you think that Nick Carter of the backstreet boys could be the same person that have allegedly had sex with Debra in the school's washrooms? She was talking about such a classmate who'd done that to her on her NBC interview. Who else could it have been ? Who would Debra Lafave sleep with in the toilets other than the popular hotshot of the school Nick Carter?!!!  78.39.92.21 (talk) 09:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nick Carter's role? 

message: This is one of a series of four women-teachers-molesting-male-students that first came to the media's attention some years back during a slow news period. Stories provided hours of titillating material to a gullible public who was led to believe that these four were the only women teachers in the world who had ever done this. When it became apparent to the media (if not the public) that this was fairly common, the media moved on to other material and neglected the category entirely.
It currently fails as a standalone article. Because of the huge volume of media attention at the time, it must be retained as a "noteworthy" something or other. These four articles should be merged together under some non-WP:OR title. Something shorter than "Four American women teachers convicted of sex crimes against male students from nnnn-nnnn."
See criteria at WP:PERP. LaFave fails these since the crime is far from exceptional, but rather common. See also discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)#Could_I_get_help_with_the_wording....Student7 (talk) 23:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Fails Notability guidelines for stand-alone article