Talk:Digital identity

message: All...
I am working - off and on - on a rewrite with the following in mind....
* the reader's experience will be better if the article is more focused. Digital identity as a technical requirement of computer interactions can be described in terms that require no prior familiarity with identity and access management or computer security. As it is written, the article includes a lot of material that describes the broader workings of identity and access management technologies and systems. That knowledge is well covered in many other articles and I plan to pay some attention to indicating to the reader where related information and knowledge may be of interest and providing links to the appropriate articles. Digital identity is only a factor of identity and access management systems and architectures.The article should provide a clear explanation of what digital identities are - for information systems - why they are needed and what functions they enable - mainly identification (computational haecceity and quiddity - two terms I do not plan to use in the article). The article does not need, as it currently attempts, to provide an explanation of identity and access management system functions.
* the cultural dimension of digital identity is likely going to draw as many, if not more, readers than the technical. This is a valid and important subject for this article. However the existing article on online identity already covers this subject matter in some depth and to go too deeply into it here would be redundant. What is of interest here are the causal relationships and parallels between the way the problems of identifications are solved in the digital and non-digital contexts.  I will attempt to to focus the discussion in this article on those connections and refer much of the discussion to the other article.
So far I have rewritten the introduction with the above in mind. I think it works well enough. 
I am currently drafting a new section on "The origins of digital identity" which will describe:
* The pre-computer uses of recorded identity (informational) 
* The similarity of the identification problems faced before and after the invention of computers.
* The way computer scientists borrowed and applied these a) to create multi-user systems, and b) to network systems.
I plan to then break the article into three more sections...
# A section on the use of digital identity in computer systems - this will focus on the problem of identification. (Assurance will be discussed, but as explained above, will be limited to informative context and accompanied by links to resources that take those functions as their primary subject.)
# A section on the social and social effects of digital identity - this will follow more closely the material that exists in the current article. I will provide a summary of the key thoughts and positions and provide links to further material.
# The usual further reading and related articles concluding section.
Ric
Ric Phillips (talk) 22:52, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: :"In order to attribute a digital representation to an entity, and so to elide the two as a digital subject, the attributing party (the observer) must trust that the representation does indeed pertain to the entity (see Authentication below)."
I think the author meant something like 'combine' or 'conflate', but certainly not 'elide'.  Could someone discern the correct fix? Shenme 17:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elide? 

message: I believe that this article needs serious editing. For example, the first section "digital subject" places at the same levels human beings and things... There is a certainly a huge difference between "being identifiable" and "having an identity" or even "constructing one's identity." The identity of a person can't be subsumed in a set of attributes.
IMO an article on "digital identity" should construct on the underpinning foundations of "identity" and not start from a reified version of individuals being described in terms of attributes. The concept of "digital identity" should be critically looked in the perspective of what philosophers, linguists, educators, logicians etc. have said on this issue. For example, if we are to follow Locke that "personal identity consists: not in the identity of substance, but... in the identity of consciousness", then we should definitively review this article ("attributes" are about the "identity of the substance", not the identity of the consciousness).
The next section "Identity through relationship" looks at identity as something external to the owner of the identity, the result of an observation by an external entity ("An observer's perception of the digital identity") and do not take into account the most important observer: oneself, as reflective self, constructing his/her identity.
My suggestion for a full rewrite of the article would be:
1) treat independently artifacts (that can be identified) with those creating artifacts (that have a proper identity)
2) start from what has been said on identity by recognised authorities such as philosophers, linguists, psychologists, educators (learning is about the construction of one's identity), etc.
3) find authoritative sources linking the construction & exploitation of identity with digital technologies looking at what are the challenges and opportunities. How digital technology does alter / expand / transform the construction and exploitation of one's identity.
I might not be the most qualified person for doing the job, but I would be willing to join in this task.
- Serge 11:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do realise it's been a while since you wrote this, but I'd like to ask you if you're still interested in rewriting this article. I absolutely agree with you on this matter, I think this article is very narrow and disorganised, it could certainly be structured to reflect on philosophical, psychological, technological etc aspects of digital identity. I am not an expert on the subject either, but as part of an educational assignment I will be doing an extensive research on the topic. Bettinusz (talk) 18:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revise 

message: There are plenty of references on the subject. For instance  CALT Encyclopedia: digital identity, collected as part of the FIDIS project, identifies many of them. Note: I do not publish this link in the main page in order not to be accused of contributing to Farm Linking!.  --Nabeth (talk) 16:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional references to be added 

message: "finite but unlimited" - Need to decide which! ;-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.238.31 (talk) 09:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt at "clever" writing falls flat... as usual. 

message: I am starting on a complete rewrite of this article here User:Chrislk02/sandbox5 Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:14, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris, would you be interested in collaborating on rewriting the article? I've seen you have a fair amount done. As part of an educational assignment, I will be trying to work on this article as well.  Bettinusz (talk) 19:35, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: I will attempt to rewrite some sections to make it less technical and more comprehensive around the subject. Any help or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Bettinusz (talk) 15:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work so far. There are still no inline citations in large bodies of text, and the page as a whole remains very technical. Also, what's up with the 'Related Terms' section at the start? It seems out of place and out of style. Any qualms about removing or drastically changing it? --Ace Jon (talk) 11:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I've tried to work on that section to improve it, but maybe it is still a bit off. However it is quite an important part, as mentioned here on the talk page those related terms have to be explained as they are used later on. Any suggestions how to incorporate that section with the other sections? Bettinusz (talk) 12:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite and restructure

message: I'm declining this CSD. As far as I can tell, the copyvio detector matches are false positives - the text in question was on this page first.
# This match is to text that was added in this edit in February 2008. The page it matches with doesn't show up on archive.org before 2013. 
# This match is with a publication date - 03/2009. The text here is older (see, for example, Jan. 2009.
# The third match is a 2% match. The phrase "is not linked to an identifier" is too trivial to consider a copyvio. Guettarda (talk) 22:58, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinging  since I'm declining their deletion request. Guettarda (talk) 23:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion request 

message: No where in the article explains what the difference is between a digital id and an analog id.  It is making an assumption that all identifiers stored on a computer are digital when that isn't the case.  Is it still a digital id when stored on an analog computer or other analog storage medium? 120.21.177.213 (talk) 04:17, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between a digital id and an analog id 

message: — Assignment last updated by Growing.beans (talk) 17:45, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems that, as part of this assignment, a large amount of text was added that is not supported by the cited sources. In several instances (I reverted some), the text was mostly unrelated to the cited source. I'm not sure if this is from ChatGPT (which usually has these issues) or just some very lax use of sources. Everything that was added in May 2023 needs to reviewed, possibly removing anything that is not supported by reliable secondary sources. Best, MarioGom (talk) 15:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: MarioGom: thanks for flagging these concerns. I’ll review the page for irrelevant or poorly sourced content added by this student group  in May 2023 and edit accordingly. Feel free to intervene further as you see fit. Regards, Zmuhl (talk) 19:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Writing 2