Talk:Shadow the Hedgehog/Archive 3

message: Hey, where is it stated that the emblem stands for Project Shadow? All I know is that it's all over the ARK. Even on the Artifical Chaos's foreheads. 83.252.141.112 22:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Appears to be edited by the uploader. I've removed it. --InShaneee 22:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's back. Just FYI. 83.252.141.112 21:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but it does stand for Project Shadow, this official wallpaper has the logo in the exact same format as it was when it was in this article. The version that was on here was a recreation from game textures and the wallpaper in flash by KojiChan, but its completely official, the only difference is the white border for easy viewing. The Project Shadow logo was on the Artifical Chaos foreheads because basically everything on the ark had to do with Project Shadow, these early "Shadows" were based on chaos but then were programmed to be security for the ark. Shadow The Hedgehog was just "using another desirable form" based on ancient echidna murals, but they were all Project Shadow. So anyway, I have just reuploaded the picture, and I am about to restore it to the article. Don't remove it before posting here. (Sorry for hotlinking to Shadow of a Hedgehog but that was the only place I could find the wallpaper)
ROSSYMILES (ロシマイルス) TALK 10:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've removed it again, as the Artificial Shadows didn't have the words 'Project Shadow' on their forehead, and it's still speculation to say whether or not it's anyone (or anything's) logo. --InShaneee 14:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not speculation, the official wallpaper i linked to before has the logo with the words project shadow underneath it. That definitely links the logo to Shadow and to the words "Project Shadow" ROSSYMILES (ロシマイルス) TALK 05:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hardly think a wallpaper would be considered canon. --InShaneee 05:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: As long as its made by Sonic Team, anything can be canon. Anyway, official wallpapers are made from promotional images. That means that the emblem, along with the words "Project Shadow," were in the same promotional image file. -ROSSYMILES (ロシマイルス) TALK 06:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd just like to point out that the emblem also appears various times in ARK levels (at least, in final rush) and I believe that I also saw it in "Shadow" once. -Chao9999 21:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Project Shadow emblem

message: The category has been removed several times now.
In SA2 he wanted vengeance on mankind for Maria's death. In his own game, you could join the Black Arms to destroy mankind. He has also acted superior to human beings before (saying lines like "Pathetic humans"). While he may not currently be opposed to humanity, he has been several times in the past, so the category still applies to him (for example, a character like Rogue from the X-Men; her article appears in several villain categories. She is no longer a villain, having reformed, but since she was a villain in the past the categories still apply to her). --DrBat 20:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this.  Shadow is definitely opposed to humanity.  Even with amnesia, he had no problems taking out human soldiers.  Shadow's pretty much opposed to anything in his way. GrandMasterGalvatron 23:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Shadow's said stuff along the lines of "Pathetic humans" several times now, the category definitely applies to him.  --Luigifan 01:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: On the other hand, i think he is compassionate towards humans after the events of Sonic Adventure 2, basically because Maria told him so. And since he regained his memories after the advents of StH he is better described as "Fictional characters who were opposed to humanity." Which isnt a category. ROSSYMILES (ロシマイルス) TALK 08:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Fictional characters who are opposed to humanity]] 

message: I know it said in Sonic Battle that Shadow is faster (by 1 point) with his Air Shoes. And that was only for gameplay purposes. But where was it specifically stated (by an official source OTHER than Sonic Battle) that a)Shadow is faster than Sonic with his Air Shoes and b)that him and Sonic have the same speed if Shadow wasn't using his Air Shoes. I thought the majority of his speed came from the shoes, making Shadow AS fast as Sonic. Cause in every Sonic game I've played, Sonic and Shadow at full speed run at the same speed. BlackEDGE MkII 01:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Color, you're not supposed to delete peoples comments.
Anyway, there has not been ANY mention of them being the same speed, and the only time it's mentioned their speeds, it's shown Shadow as the faster. If he's faster in Sonic Battle, and Shadow, it's pretty safe to assume them to be the same speed. -Chao9999 21:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh well.
Anyway, that stuff doesn't neccesarily mean that Sonic and Shadow are the same speed. If he can "easily match Sonic's speed", then that not only DOESN'T help your case, it actually  WORSENS it. He's only been depicted as the same speed when gameplay calls for it, or in non-canon sources. Chao9999 22:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Alright then..we need to reach a consensus here as well.  I suggest we use the latest official info that's available.  Do the Sonic the Hedgehog profiles say anything about the speed?GrandMasterGalvatron 22:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, the only times one can truly compare their speeds,  Shadow has been shown to be faster, and has only been shown to be as fast either in areas that need them to be the same, or in non-canon. Shadow is faster than Sonic, plain and simple. -Chao9999 22:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah, a spammer perhaps?
Anyway, as the only info that directly compares their speeds is in favor of Shadow, and since it's never EXPLICITLY stated that they're the same speeds, we go with "Shadow is faster". Plain and simple. -Chao9999 23:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Sonic Battle kthnx GrandMasterGalvatron 20:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Seriously, SIGN YOUR COMMENTS.
Anyway, no, official sources don't say that, they say things that IMPLY that. The only source that compares their speed is, OMG Sonic Battle. Quit your whining, it's not like super strength and slightly faster speed make him better than Sonic. Sonic has plot devices, a SOCIAL LIFE, actual mental health, and games that AREN'T horribly underrated (almost every Shadow review I see that says it sucks cites problems that either don't exist, are trivial, or are just Sonic bashers in general).
Jack, I looked at the article before it was edited, and your edit had the 10X comment.
EDIT: Ok, who's the jerk that stated in the article that we reached a conclusion? That's seriously rude, especially since it's a lie. Don't do that. Oh, and SOMEBODY just stated that Shadow is TWENTY times stronger than Sonic. That's a no-no. -Chao9999 05:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: *sigh* As I've said before, if Shadow is faster in Sonic Battle, AND Shadow the hedgehog, I think it's pretty safe to say that he's faster. And I don't know WHO kept saying that Shadow's running speed is equal to Sonic's, but they're most definitely wrong. Shadow is faster, plain and simple. Since the only times where gameplay doesn't demand that they're the same speed are Sonic Battle and Shadow, it's pretty safe to say that Shadow is faster.
Oh, and Sonic's speed being second to none means his RUNNING speed. Shadow can still be faster, because he has the air skates. Shadow has proven himself faster, so stop changing it. -Chao9999 21:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: So you're saying, if Shadow can flip over a bus with one hand, then Sonic could flip over a bus with two? BlackEDGE MkII 22:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I'm just bringing it up to expose the triviality of the whole discussion.  And, I highly doubt that Sonic would be inclined to tip over a bus.  --Luigifan 23:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shadow's Speed 

message: http://sonicrivals.sega-europe.com/en/index.html
Apparently....Sonic is faster by the skin of his teeth o.O...particularly due to being able to pull off a Sonic Boom.  This also means Sonic can break the sound barrier and truly is faster than the speed of sound.
Of course, you all really should have known that :PGrandMasterGalvatron 20:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Answer to all your problems

message: I added some stuff that I thought should be mentioned to the page. The changes include: the bracketed sentence about "Darkness" in Sonic Riders was incorrect. I read on an official Sega page that "Darkness" are indeed the original airshoes, but they've been tweaked for additional speed. I added a Sonic the Comic Online section (please don't delete it, even though sega doesn't make it, it is still like halfway official and is quite popular on the net) and a bit about the mysteries still surrounding Shadow called,"Really the ultimate lifeform?" Please respect my writing!
BEEP! I'm sorry, everything you posted was incorrect. The "Really the Ultimate Lifeform" thing was speculation about something already confirmed. He's the original Shadow (Beat Shadow the Hedgehog).
As for Darkness, cite a source.
Fan couplings, and uncle to eggman stuff is unneeded, useless, and stuipid.
Look at the edit page. "If you don't want your writing edited mercilesly, DON'T SUBMIT IT!" (or something to that extent).
Sorry dude, but that was crap.-Chao9999 17:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep a respectful tone, Chao. --InShaneee 22:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Updated 

message: It's been commented that the current revision may be too long. I was wondering if we should revert to the description I wrote earlier this week:
:Shadow is a playable character and has his own storyline which weaves with those of Sonic and new character Silver the Hedgehog. Now a government agent, Shadow encounters new villain Mephiles the Dark. Mephiles greatly resembles Shadow, due to using the latter's shadow to grant himself a physical form. Mephiles takes a special interest in Shadow as due to time travel Shadow had imprisoned Mephiles a decade prior in the Scepter of Darkness. Using his mastery of time travel, Mephiles reveals that in the future in which the monsterous Iblis roams free humanity would betray Shadow, reprogramming E-123 Omega to defeat and imprison him. Despite these attempts to break his resolve, Shadow (aided by a promise from Rouge that no matter what the future may bring she would never desert him) continued to fight back against Mephiles. When Mephiles achieved his goal of combining with Iblis into the stronger being known as Solaris, Super Shadow joined Super Sonic and Super Silver in a successful attempt to defeat the villain before it could devour time itself.--HellCat86 14:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  I agree.  If it hasn't been done, I'll do so. GrandMasterGalvatron 14:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic Next story

message: My my my, Chao9999, you hypocrit. Here you roast the rest of us making 'assumptions', now you're doing it and insisting it's the truth when the scene in question seems to suggest the "Sonic shared his power" explanation.--HellCat86 02:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Super Shadow

message: Some jerk at my school thought he'd do me a "favor" by insulting Chao 9999 on my file. Sorry man! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.227.185.2 (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry!