Talk:Baroness Mary Vetsera

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message: Naming this page: Cases can be made for Mary Vetsera, Marie Vetsera, or Maria Vetsera. If it counts for anything, it really should be at "Mary Vetsera", because that's what she called herself. But it doesn't belong at Mary von Vetsera, Marie von Vetsera, or Maria von Vetsera, because the particle doesn't belong in her surname.
For those who believe in Google results:
 surname Vetsera   von Vetsera
 Mary      938     29
 Marie     662     41 
 Maria    1160    391
(Includes English and other languages; the vons would be reduced if restricted to English only.) - Nunh-huh 21:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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message: then the heading needs to be "Baroness Mary Vetsera". but if you take a look at the links I provided, for example her tombstone clearly refers to her as "Mary Freiin (Baroness) von Vetsera", or are you implying that they got her tombstone wrong?
and if you read any of the books the titles you have provided, you will see what her real name was. Nobility in Austria carried the particle "von" in her name, and her name was "von Vetsera", why is that so difficult to accept?
http://www.heiligenkreuz.at/Vetsera.htm
http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.v/v387096.htm
you can also check out the german language version of Wikipedia´s article to this 
in Wikipedia, all the German and Austrian nobility (as well as some Swedish, etc...) are written with their particle(s), so what´s the problem here? Prince Otto von Bismarck is not kept as Otto Bismarck... Antares911 15:22, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  her name was "von Vetsera" 

message: Her name in English is Baroness Mary Vetsera. That is how she appears in English books written on Mayerling, and it is how she is named in English card system catalogs. - Nunh-huh 22:35, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't possibly take offense at a comment so ill-informed. In order for the Cardinal's surname to be "Schönborn-Wiesentheid", he would have to be a descendant of Franz Erwein Damian Graf von Schönborn-Wiesentheid (1776-1840): the cardinal is actually descended from that man's younger brother, Friedrich Karl Joseph Graf von Schönborn (1781-1849). - Nunh-huh 02:03, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Some of those cited above are reasonably recent: Crime at Mayerling: The Life and Death of Mary Vetsera is 1995, and The Road to Mayerling is 2003. - Nunh-huh 02:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: well I think I have made my point. German-language literature points out that her name was "von Vetsera", the sources I have already provided. I am in favour of authenticity (see discussion Peking or Beijing for example), but if no majority will be found for "Marie von Vetsera" (even though all the german and austrian nobility in Wikipedia is kept that way with particles), then I grudgingly will be fine with "Baroness Mary Vetsera" as well. her full and real name needs to be reflected in the article though.. Antares911 14:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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message: Text sections of considerable length are identical to text at www.xs4all.nl/~androom/index.htm?dead/story004.htm.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.91.66 (talk) 20:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I could see, there were about two (fairly florid) paragraphs that were taken from there. I believe I've removed all the offending material, and tried to keep the changes made sinse it was added. - Nunh-huh 21:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stolen text? 

message: I merged the "popular culture" items to Mayerling Incident (they were actually all already there), and removed the suggestion about not covering Mayerling here ... we need at least a summary of the incident, which is clearly part of Mary vetsera's biography. - Nunh-huh 10:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested merges 

message: Is the television movie by Anatole Litvak with Audrey Hepburn and Mel Ferrer from 1954 as stated in a now deleted section from Baroness Mary Vetsera or 1957 as stated here [i.e. Mayerling Incident]? Could the discrepancy be due to the theatrical release in Europe vs. TV broadcast in the US? Likewise Kronpriz Rudolf with Max von Thun, Vittoria Puccini and Omar Sharif; is it 2006 as in this article [Mayerling Incident] or 2007 per the deleted Mary Vetsera section? Robert Greer (talk) 17:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
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message: http://www.onb.ac.at/services/presse_23385.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.62.117.24 (talk) 10:02, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
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