Talk:Airborne early warning and control

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* Support - Per my nomination. - BillCJ (talk) 05:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I can provide a fairly complete list of AEW/AEW&C aircraft. However, I'm not sure this article needs an even more extended list of aircraft types and detailed Operator info. We could include operators as a column in a list. We could also have a column which identifies radars. Introduction dates and service status are other possible entries. Any discussion on what would be the preferred approach here? Askari Mark (Talk) 02:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On the Connie, that experiment is probably covered under the EC-121 Warning Star article, which is the production AEW Connie. The two helicopters are covered in the text, but just were never added to the list - simple oversight. The whole article still needs improvement and consolidation, but I keep getting sidetracked with other projects. I'll try to get to it it the near future. Mark, I agree we probably don't need the detailed operators list, and will try to work that into the text if I can. - BillCJ (talk) 03:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of AEW&C aircraft 

message: This aircraft have nothing to do with neither Early Warning nor Control. It was simple radar equipped night fighter controlled via ground based long range Redut radar which also provided all necessary early warning. An it wasnt first radar equipped night fighter.
So just delet following text:
"In 1942 an experimental radar station, called "Gneis-2" was installed onboard Soviet dive bomber Petlyakov Pe-2. During successful tests a target plane was detected on a distance about 300 meters. On July, 1942 "Gneis-2" airborne radar was approved by Soviet military authorities."
--83.167.116.137 (talk) 18:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggesting removal of Pe-2 Gneis-2 system. 

message: I heard on air craft investigation that theese aircraft used a callsign of "magic <number>", is this true and if so is it restriced to one particular air force? Plugwash (talk) 02:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true that some aircraft use the callsign "MAGIC", it is a NATO callsign for a operational E-3s, but it is not notable. MilborneOne (talk) 09:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic 

message: The NATO E-3's needed to have a nationality as every aircraft. NATO agreed to choose the nationality of its smallest member to avoid prestige issues. The NATO E-3 are therefore registered as aircraft in Luxembourg. I think that should be added.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:E-3_NATO_Luxembourg.jpeg
Lastdingo (talk) 10:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True but this is just an overview article and that level of information is not really needed. MilborneOne (talk) 11:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NATO as operator 

message: Hi wikipedians, I've noticed the move to Airborne early warning and control (AEW&C). I have seen the "old" terminology (AEW and AWACS) in quite a few books and magazines, but never the new one. Can anyone please let me know where this new acronym/term comes from (ie: source), and if it is universally used?  Thanks & regards, DPdH (talk) 06:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the same doubt. I'm not an expert, but in computer sims and by reading magazines, I've always seen "AWACS" and never "AEW&C". I'd like to see support that the term AEW&C is a) the new terminology, and b) widely used. Also, Wikipedia is inconsistent with itself, since the related article E3 Sentry links to the now extint page AWACS. If, as some in this discussion claim, E3 Sentry and AWACS are synonyms, AWACS should redirect to E3 Sentry! 190.17.55.223 (talk) 00:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

text: . AWACS is merely a system while AEW&C is the concept. AEW without the "&C" is either a system that has no workstations for controllers on the aircraft or someone was too lazy to write the full category name. AWACS is very often used because of a NATO-centric view of things among NATO journalists and soldiers - many people know very little about AEW&C and think that there's AWACS and nothing else. Lastdingo (talk) 08:57, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubt about terminology 

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message: I will be redirecting AEW to All Elite Wrestling. Per the page views, it is the primary topic. starship.paint (talk) 15:05, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  AEW redirect 

message: The term Airborne Early Warning (AEW) goes back at least to the Douglas Skyraider AEW.1 of 1951 and was extensively used for several decades. I never really came across AEW&C until the recent spat over the redirect. According to GlobalSecurity, "Airborne early warning and control [AEW & C] is air surveillance and control provided by airborne early warning aircraft which are equipped with search and height-finding radar and communications equipment for controlling weapon systems." That seems to me to be a composite of AEW and Command and Control (C&C), which also includes Communications etc. Has AEW&C really made AEW obsolete, or should we actually have a separate article on AEW to match that on C&C? Obviously, if the combined AEW&C retains sufficient notability then keeping this article also needs to be kept as an overview. When did "AEW&C" come into use? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you read the sections above, #Requested merger, #Doubt about terminology, and #AWACS vs AEW&C? Together, they answer most of your questions. As far as control/communications, that's really just an added capability to AEW, not really a separate concept, and so better covered together. The Command and control article is really an overview of the military concept,and not about a specific role/type of aircraft as this is. - BilCat (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I did not see a big evidence base to support the claims being made. For example it helps me to know that Flight frequently mentioned AEW and AEW&C in different contexts during the period 2000-2004. Back in the 1950s the C bit was in distinctly short supply. My copy of Jane's for 1981 lists AEW in its glossary, but not AEW&C. AEW&C seems to have first appeared in Flight in the mid-1980s. This hard evidence supports the thesis that the terms do not overlap as much as some might suggest, at least historically. Had I been a part of those discussions, I would have had something to say about that at the time. But that was then and this is now, so here I am asking for that elusive evidence to set mine in context. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 15:46, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

text: On the matter of C&C, I notice that the article on the US 1st Airborne Command Control Squadron does not mention AEW. Further evidence (if somewhat less hard) that even in aviation, C&C does not necessarily encompass AEW. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

text: No evidence but I look at the Shackelton as an AEW platform were it carried a radar and passed on the information to an integrated air defence system but when the Sentry came on board it could work as part of an integrated system or independently and control its own fighter or otherwise assests. As AEW is far more prevalent in the history I would have said this article should be at Airborne Early Warning with a mention of the control aspect rather than the other way around. MilborneOne (talk) 16:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  AEW vs AEW&C