Talk:Shtreimel

message: What does everyone think about removing the stub tag from this article? There is not much more that can added. --רח"ק | Talk 06:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Stub Tag? 

message: This article appears to be of an appropriate length for the subject matter under discussion. It is also appropriately categorized and wikified. 
By nature, stubbing and tagging articles devalues them, giving them an aura of unreliability and making them seem less credible. As part of my personal campaign to free up articles that have been stubbed and tagged without cause, this article has been disenstubified. 
If any editor disagrees, and would rather re-stub it than improve it by adding actual content, please discuss here. The Editrix 17:01, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  De-stubbed 

message: I did a bunch of cleanup, and demanded a few reasonable citations...but I still can't figure out what is meant by "Bow Marten".  Also, a pic would be nice, if anyone has one...the image that's commented out in the article presently also appears in the Hebrew version of the article...but its source there is attributed only to the EN: WP.  :-\  I added the Yiddish into the intro, and what I assume is the correct Yiddish plural... חג שמח, Tomertalk 15:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing at a time... I've removed reference to the "bow marten", since I can find absolutely no evidence whatsoëver that there even is such a thing as a "bow marten".  It's possible it's a colloquial name for some other animal, the Pine Marten, perhaps; if so, and someone can find any evidence to support that, then that's what the article should say.  Tomertalk 02:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A coupla things... 

message: This, "The shtreimel was not exclusively Jewish.[citation needed] Eastern European men, especially of higher classes, wore fur hats (eg the modern day ushanka) due to the cold climate, which the local Jewish populace followed." Is probably Baal Teshuva silliness, and should be removed unless sourced. A shtreimel and an ushanka are completely different to a person fmaliar up close with either one. A shtreimel is just a formal Jewish hat. It's uniquely Jewish. A ushanka is made of furr. A shtreimel is a velvet pillbox hat decorated with fur. The goofy Russian king story up above doesn't explain why Hungarians, Czechs and Western Poles would wear them too. 79.183.238.8 (talk) 04:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: uhhh?=

message: I have once again re added the section on the origin of the shtreimel. It is a well known fact that male Orthodox Jews are very conservative regarding head gear (how else can you explain the top hats and other defunct hats they still wear). Sadly this was once again deleted (I think by User:Piz d'Es-Cha). It is simply NOT allowed to delete ad naseum genuine additions to an article. Benqish (talk) 17:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: deletions

message: What is the origin of the word "shtreimel"?  Is it pure Hebrew or Yiddish? Caeruleancentaur (talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely from the Northern German word Stremel or Striemel (Old High German: strimulla) for strip or stripe https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striemel  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C0:DF2B:FB00:A487:7A8C:F907:1DDF (talk) 23:09, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe, it sounds the same/similar, but there are many popular etymologies based on how things sound–and they are plain wrong. We need proof from an academic source showing how it evolved from A to B, with historical examples. The jump from 'strip' to a fur hat is not impossible (strip of fur?), but not straightforward either. So - still waiting. Arminden (talk) 17:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: The article is written as if shtreimel would subsume kolpik and spodik, as well. The only picture here of a modern shtreiml shows what looks like a kolpik, according to its WP definition! Arminden (talk) 10:59, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the term "shtreimel" really include kolpik and spodik hats? 

message: The historical images suggest that a shtreimel must have a fur brim, with a well visible cap coming out of it (higher than the fur). A bit like a turban wound up around a still visible fez or kalpak. Or like the Mongol-style Monomakh's Cap or the Kazan Cap from old Russia. But modern Hasidic fur hats (see first photo on the page) tend to have such a high, cylindrical fur "tube" or "stovepipe" as a brim, that normally nothing can be seen of the actual cap hidden deep inside. Doesn't this qualify these hats as kolpiks (if brown) or spodiks (if black), rather than as shtreimels? Which would mean: there are no more shtreimels around! Or are they? Arminden (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the shape of a shtreimel? No more real shtreimels nowadays? 

message: In today's world (e.g., Hasidic Jerusalem, greater New York, Milwaukee) the velvet cap is typically invisible when the hat is seen straight on. The appearance of the typical spodik has a rather different visual ratio - narrower, taller. According to at ldast one source, the visibility of velvet cap is currently peculiar to one specific sect. Example: see the illustration and description at https://segulamag.com/en/articles/shtreimel-variations-history-hat/ Kromholz (talk) 19:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A shtreimel and the others are what the practitioners call them 

message: In an effort to be properly encyclopedic, shouldn't we include at least a few words explaining the etymology and origin of this word to the article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Origin unknown. There is a bunch of ungrounded speculations, some of them are really ridiculous. I am not sure whether they are encyclopedic. IMO thre most plausible is in #Etymology above. - Altenmann >talk 23:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of word