Talk:Marjorie Bruce

message: The Book "Girl in a Cage" is historical fiction, not a sort of scientific source. The author herself, Jane Yolen, noted that she heard about the imprisonment in a cage from some folk song (see: ).
This, however, is supposed to be an encylopedia presenting facts or at least marking fiction and assumptions appropriately.
Maybe the article should be split into the scienfific "facts" and "Marjorie Bruce in fiction"... - or is there any historical proof, document, ... disclosing this cage-fact? --LostJedi 10:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was there really a cage...? 

message: do i really understand correctly that betwwen 1307-1314 she first spend 4 years in a cage and additionally 7 years in a convent?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.151.210 (talk) 15:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  imprisonment 1307-1314 

message: Recently, I read 'The Greatest Traitor - The Life of Sir Roger Mortimer', in which the Scottish Wars (in which Mortimer fought) received some mention. Among passages relevant to this subject were these: "[Bruce] sent his womenfolk, including his sister and mistress, northward with his brother, Sir Neil Bruce, to Kildrummy Castle...[King Edward] had not captured Robert Bruce himself, buthe had in his custody the man's wife, mistres, brother, sisters and daughter...the most vindictive punishments of all were reserved for Bruce's sister, Mary, and his mistress, Isabel, Countess of Buchan." I accordingly added a reference in this article to Isabella being Bruce's mistress. It was removed for not being proven. Who is in the wrong?
Also, there was no mention of Edward having intended to cage Marjorie. Michaelsanders 16:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Isabella of Buchan

message: As nobody has been able to back this up I have deleted it.  The claim that Robert II was delivered by Caesarean section seems dubious, since in those days this was only done where the mother had already died, the first Caesarean sections which the mother survived were only carried out in the 18th century. PatGallacher 18:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the article about Caesarean section still states that Robert II was delivered by c-section. Surtsicna (talk) 22:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This statement in the article is not sourced and therefore should not be taken as gospel. PatGallacher (talk) 23:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Caesarean section?

message: Is there a clear reference to her ever being the heir?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Scots Parliament recognised Edward Bruce as the heir at one point.  Rules of succession were less clear cut in those days. PatGallacher 13:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Barrow's Robert Bruce, p. 381, she was heir, after Robert and Edward, by tailzie in the Act of 27 April 1315 at the Ayr Parliament. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 16:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: And at last the Records of the Parliaments of Scotland website is up and running, so you can see the "ordinance and statute entailing the crown on the heirs male of the king, Edward Bruce and then on the heirs general of the king" at http://www.rps.ac.uk (Robert I, 1315, 26 April). Angus McLellan  (Talk) 12:35, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heir?

message: I don't know where you're getting this "erroneously" from about her grandmother being Marjorie Bruce.  As she married a Robert Bruce/de Brus it seems obvious that we can describe her as Marjorie Bruce/de Brus.  Any doubt or dispute about how to describe her should be dealt with on her talk page, not here. PatGallacher (talk) 10:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read the edit-summary you would know. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 10:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Frankly, since it is wrong to say she "was also called Marjorie Bruce", it doesn't matter what the HATNOTE issues are. That some modern writers have called her that is another matter; it's fairly common for modern writers to make such mistakes. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Grandmother

message: The article said "Walter FitzAllan, 6th High Steward of Scotland distinguished himself in the battle and was rewarded the hand of the adolescent princess. He changed his name to Stewart after his position; a common practice; and was the founder of the dynasty", but Walter Stewart, 6th High Steward of Scotland says he was the son of James Stewart, 5th High Steward of Scotland.  I think there's been some confusion with Walter fitz Alan, the first High Steward, from 200 years earlier.  I've removed the 2nd sentence I quoted.  Rojomoke (talk) 23:17, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walter Stewart 

message: Most accounts say she died very soon after Robert was born in 1316, but Penman's biography of her father says she died in 1317.  Can anyone clarify? PatGallacher (talk) 19:25, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of death 

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message: Reading this article, it is difficult to tell what's history and what's legend. I wanted to rewrite it but I could not find a comprehensive account of her life to start with. Does anyone know who wrote the ODNB entry? I cannot access it. Surtsicna (talk) 16:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources