Talk:The Lawrence School, Sanawar

message: There is a list of alumni in this article, and a category also exists. Lists within articles are not ideal but I am aware that they are commonly used in the schools sphere of Wikipedia. The problem remains that, as with all lists, those named need to be verifiable - this means that there need to be multiple, independent reliable sources supporting the assertion that they attended the school and/or a stand-alone article to which their name is linked (& that article must contain multiple, independent reliable sources etc). There is even the potential for a breech of the biography of living people policy if this is not done.
So, let's have a short, well selected, well sourced list here, please. Anything that is unsourced and/or unlinked should go; anything where the linked article does not refer to the alumni status should also go. If the list continues to grow even with those criteria then we should look at creating a separate List of Old Sanwarians, or something similar. This article reads too much like a glorifying advertisement as it stands, without making it more so. - Sitush (talk) 13:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: An IP added the list to the text within Category:Old Sanawarians. I have moved it from there to List of Old Sanawarians, with a  tag. There may be a lot of work for someone to do on sourcing the names, unless there is a published school register which can be cited. Moonraker (talk) 20:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni 

message: Yes some vandals were playing round with the OS list and removing the names of distinguished O.S. We O.S. have now placed all of the O.S. in the O.S. section. Signed An O.S.
DETAILED LIST OF SOME O.S.
Armed forces
Arun Khetarpal, the youngest recipient of the India's highest military decoration, Param Vir Chakra.
Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, former Chief of the Naval Staff of India
Air Marshal K.C. Cariappa
Lt. General M.S. Shergill
Lt. General T.S. Shergill
Lt. General B.S. Thakker
Lt. General Rajinder Singh (Rajji)
Maj. Gen. N.S.Pathania
Maj. General KVS Lalotra
Maj. General Aneet Sahota
Maj. General Jayant Varma
Maj. General Ardamanjit Singh Sandhu
Maj General Virpal Singh
Maj. General Darshanjit Singh Grewal
Maj. General Ranbir Singh (Ranny)
Maj. General Mandeep Singh
Rear Admiral S S Jamwal
Maj General Ajai Kumar Sahgal
[edit] Educators
Dr. Harish Dhillon
Praveen Vashisht
Captain Amarjyot Singh
Himmat S Dhillon
Capt. Rohit Sen Bajaj
Maj Gen Kanwar Vijay Singh Lalotra
[edit] Film & television
Sanjay Dutt, actor
Iqbal Khan, actor
Apoorva Lakhia, filmmaker
Bunty Walia, filmmaker
Rahul Roy, actor
Pooja Bedi, actress and television personality
Jimmy Shergill, actor
Saif Ali Khan, actor
Feroze Gujral, supermodel
Shaad Ali, director
Siddharth Kak, television personality
Kirat Bhattal, actress
Amar Talwar, actor
Kismet Singh, television anchor
Papa CJ, stand-up comedian
Parikshit Sahani, actor
Tenzin Thuthob Tsarong, grand nephew of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, adult Dalai Lama in the movie Kundun.
Aditya Raj Kapoor
Rohit Singh Negi, Filmmaker
Tarun Mansukhani, Filmmaker
[edit] Politics
Amarinder Singh, Maharaja of Patiala.
Omar Abdullah
Maneka Gandhi
Rao Inderjit Singh, Minister of Defence
Prince Ajatshatru Singh of Jammu & Kashmir
Sukhbir Singh Badal, president, Shiromani Akali Dal
Chander Mohan (Chand Mohammad)
Bikram Singh Majithia
Emaan Singh Man
[edit] Writers
Sonny Mehta, publisher and editor-in-chief of Alfred A Knopf
Tishaa Khosla, author Pink or Black
Radhika Jha, author Smell
Amba Batra Bakshi, author In Custody—Women in Tihar
[edit] Sports
Ajeet Bajaj, first Indian to ski to the North Pole
Shiva Keshavan, represented India in Luge at Olympics
Ranjit Bhatia, Rhodes Fellow, represented India in the track at the Rome Olympics 1960
Anjun Mehra, Junior Indian Boxing Team
Kalaans, Indian Polo Team
Col.V.P. Singh, Indian Polo Team
Col. R.S.Brar, Indian Polo Team
Col R.S. Sodhi (Pickles), India Polo Team
Jai Shergill, Indian Polo Team
Late Maj. M.S. Sekhon (Musty), Indian Polo Team
Maharajkumar Ajit Singh Gaekward, Cricket
Manavjit Singh Sandhu, 2006 and 2010 ISSF Trap World Shooting Champion
Zorawar Singh Sandhu, Indian Shooting Team
[edit] Business
Ness Wadia
Jehangir Wadia, Bombay Dyeing, GoAir
Jyotsna Suri (née Nanda), CMD of The Lalit Group.
Rana Talwar, erstwhile head of Standard Chartered Bank and currently Chairman of Centurian Bank of Punjab
Jasjit S. ("Jesse") Bhattal, CEO of Nomura Holdings Asia-Pacific Wholesales Banking; formerly CEO of Lehman Brothers Asia-Pacific
Tejpreet Chopra, CEO, GE India
Shakti Singh, director, DLF Universal Limited, India’s largest real estate developer
Kanwal Oberoi Walia, director, American Express
Maharajkumar Sangram Singh Gaekward, Baroda Rayon Corporation
Rakesh Mohan, Mohan Meakin Limited
Pankaj Munjal, Hero Motors
Geetanjali Kirloskar, Toyota Kirloskar Motors
Atul Sobti, Managing director, Ranbaxy Lab. Ltd.
Rajiv Suri, Board of Directors Burberry Middle East and Group CEO Retail, Jashanmal Group of Companies, Dubai
Kiran Nadar, philanthropist
Punit Renjhen, CEO Deloitte Consulting LLP
Others
Dr. Atul Gurtu, TIFR and CERN
Dr. Harbans Rajpal Singh Nagpal, Paris, France: Psychoanalyst, Doctor to Embassy of India.
Jetsun Pema, Queen of Bhutan
Karamveer Singh (IPS), DGP UTTAR PRADESH
P.P.S Sidhu (IPS), SPL DGP CRPF
Harpreet Singh Sidhu (IPS)   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.200 (talk) 20:26, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The list was reduced by an established editor who left a clear description of what they were doing.  It was well within Wikipedia policy.  Accusing other editors of "vandalism" is not, please refrain from doing this.   The list was reduced to include only those that meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If any mentioned above can meet those same guidelines, please create and article for them, citing reliable sources, and then add them to the alumni section in this article.  Also please keep in mind that it isn't about what is "true" it is about what can be verified.--RadioFan (talk) 14:05, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable alumni aka O.S. 

message: Is the school called "The Lawrence School, Sanawar", or is Sanawar its location. If the former, then the page should be moved back to that title; if the latter, then the location should be indicated in the text. It's not clear at present, and the school's website is down at the moment so I can't check. PamD 15:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is little point in linking the name of Sanawar in the lead, as that is a redirect to Lawrence School (Sanawar). Moonraker (talk) 03:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

text: The title reflects how this multi location schools are normally named.  If anything the title should be "The Lawrence School" and cover all locations, not just this one.--RadioFan (talk) 07:36, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's confusing because Sanawar is not listed as its location in the infobox or the lead sentence. PamD 08:05, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To me the statement "If anything the title should be "The Lawrence School" and cover all locations, not just this one" is a symptom of this editor's unexplained aim of slighting the schools. Each of them is plainly notable in its own right. Moonraker (talk) 01:35, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure if that is a question? All that the four schools have in common now is Lawrence's name. He founded two of them, two more were founded in memory of him. All of the schools are notable and quite distinct. In my view, to suggest the merger of all schools with "Queen Elizabeth" in their names would be quite a similar proposal. Moonraker (talk) 03:03, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

text: "Sanawar" is certainly part of the name, and indeed the school is often referred to as just "Sanawar". That was originally used in the name as a disambiguator, as there are other schools called "The Lawrence School", but the school's web site is called "sanawar.edu.in" and the home page begins "The Lawrence School - Sanawar, established in 1847..." That page also has tabs marked "About Sanawar" and "Life in Sanawar", which are both about the school, not about a larger place of that name. So, following your logic, PamD, I agree that Lawrence School, Sanawar, or even The Lawrence School, Sanawar, would be more in line with naming policy. Moonraker (talk) 04:31, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name, and "Sanawar" 

message: Some person who surely does not like this great school is often changing the article on this school. They is no other reason for his changing the article which is very accurate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.202 (talk) 23:15, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally there are edit comments on each edit, please read those and if you have an issue, contact that editor directly.  I dont think anyone has a problem with the school but, speaking for myself at least, do have a problem with poorly written articles, especially those that are based in original research.  Wikipedia insists on including verifiable content only.--RadioFan (talk) 02:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Arbitrary heading

message: Transferring some useful links here deleted by "RadioFan", who keeps on deleting things from the article. Moonraker (talk) 19:34, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont appreciate the "keeps deleting things" comment.  External links are not to be used as a dumping ground.  Anything which doesn't contribute to the article should be removed.  Adding these links to the talk page for others to use to improve the article and possibly use as references is very appropriate however.--RadioFan (talk) 02:31, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I shan't repeat the comment, but if you were to add material to the article as well as deleting it that would be more obviously constructive. Moonraker (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: These all need to be checked for their attendance and/or their notability before being added to the list again. Moonraker (talk) 00:33, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Old Sanawarians lacking citations

message: Despite recent improvements, this article still needs copyediting and cleanup for consistency.  It's presented as a series of factoids which could just as easily be formated as bullets.  A more consistent prose style will make the article more readable.--RadioFan (talk) 02:29, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not agree with this apparently subjective opinion. The word "factoids" seems intended to be derogatory: are any of the facts ones which you suggest should not be included? To me it seems rather inconsistent to suggest that text could be "formated as bullets" while at the same time asking for a "consistent prose style". What is this consistent style you are after? I note that at the moment you are not contributing anything yourself. Moonraker (talk) 02:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: NB, a clearer and more actionable explanation of your  and  tags is needed, RadioFan. I wish to remove them again but will wait for further input. Moonraker (talk) 02:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed them. I appreciate the explanation from RadioFan above but disagree with it. Yes, the article is somewhat skimpy in detail but bullet points are deprecated and the prose style seems pretty ok to me. - Sitush (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that bullets are the wrong choice here as well, my point was that the article is difficult to read and requires cleanup.  A good article should leave the reader with an understanding of this school and some understanding of its history.  It should be clear why a dedicated wikipedia article is necessary here. Disjointed bits of information (factoids) dont provide that.  --RadioFan (talk) 10:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Like Sitush, I do not agree with your comments about "cleanup", RadioFan, but we can agree that the article needs expansion and improvement. As it had to be begun again a few days ago almost from scratch, it is a little early to be looking for a good article. As to why a dedicated wikipedia article is necessary here, the school plainly meets the notability criteria for schools. Moonraker (talk) 19:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup & copy editing 

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message: Even a cursory look through the rest of wikipedia indicates that a boarding school founded in 1847 has no claim to being "oldest in the world".  Can we get some AI editors on this garbage since the humans are clearly doing nothing? 194.230.146.54 (talk) 14:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: For a long time, the article said "oldest private boarding school in Himachal Pradesh". Then on 15 December 2022, User:2405:201:400b:ab1a:58a:4ead:4bb1:bc46 changed it to "oldest Co-Ed boarding school in Asia", followed a day later by User:111.223.26.182 changing it to "oldest Co-Ed boarding school in the world". Then on 6 April 2023‎, User:2405:201:800b:6079:68c7:99ae:6756:8d0a changed it to "oldest private boarding school in the world". I'm going to return it to the original statement, prior to the series of changes that gave obvious nonsense. DMacks (talk) 15:14, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest???