Talk:Gothic Christianity

message: We need to see more details about the faith itself. And why they showed respect to Roman churches, if they were against Papacy?--Connection 11:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: As it was, it was full of odd claims. I've started working on it, and hope to improve it further, in the next few weeks. Jacob Haller 00:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have started to work on it. Aryaman (☼) 22:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree too! Speculations about a secret Arianism 800 years later! Sounds UFOlogy to me! I presume the upper classes defending religious minorities was just an expression of Homo-sapiens-inborn humanism. Said: Rursus ☻ 10:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is a mess

message: The section Gothic Christianity in the Crimea is a stub expecting someone to fill it up. I think there is not much to say about this, except that they were probably Greek Orthodox (not "Germanic Christians") and illiterate. They were probably never touched by Ulfilas' Arian conversion efforts. Citations needed of course. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 06:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Crimea?

message: Hi everybody. There is a rather confused and confusing article called Archdiocese of the Goths, which just survived an AfD. Can anybody here spare a little time to have a look at it and help out? --DanielRigal (talk) 11:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Church of the Goths?

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: No consensus: relisted three times to no clear consensus: no prejudice against speedy renomination but it's probably a good idea to notify the relevant WikiProjects to ensure the discussion gets somewhere. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 16:21, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Gothic Christianity →  – Scope, WP:PRECISION. Per WP:CONSISTENCY with for instance Christianization of the Slavs and Christianization of Kievan Rus', but her referring to the Goths. See also the problems with the "X ethnicity Christianity" as discussed on Celtic Christianity#Definitions. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: While Arianism were prevalent and likely dominant at one point, this was not the case all through the relevant history of the scope. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

text:  I'd support that alternative. Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Gothic Arianism, assuming the main topic is that Gothic Christianity and not the strident Catholicism of the later Visigoths. Srnec (talk) 23:26, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm ok with that - all the article covers at the moment is Arianism. Johnbod (talk) 01:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd still insist on Christianisation of the Goths. As seen in Template:Germanic peoples religion section, we correctly have Christianity in Anglo-Saxon England, but the Goths article is named differently for no good reason. It would simply be too hard to pinpoint when, who and what precisely "Gothic Christianity" was. Better broaden the scope accordingly as seen in equivalent articles. Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: But are you still ok with Christianity of the Goths? Johnbod (talk) 09:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  As a secondary best option, yes. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:27, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that it is "too hard to pinpoint when, who and what precisely Gothic Christianity was". Gothic was a liturgical language of certain Arian churches. That is Gothic Christianity. Srnec (talk) 16:12, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:   While article content could reflect assertions of that, zooming out the borders seem unclear. Goths embraced Nicene Christianity at the Third Council of Toledo in 589. Have you considered the summary in Goths#Religion? Don't you think this article would best reflect your determined scope as one confined part of an ongoing to process in a bigger picture? Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:09, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

text: *Oppose. I don't think there's an confusion about what "Gothic Christianity" means. It refers to the Arian Christianity of the Goths. Arguing that not all Goths followed this is like arguing we shouldn't say "Scandinavian Paganism" because some Scandinavians worshipped different gods. Religion can be a matter of individual conscience, but here it's a matter of national/ethnic identity.--Ermenrich (talk) 23:39, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: * What of a move to Gothic Arianism per Johnbod's concern? Srnec (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  That would be the third best option, I would say. At least better than the preexisting. Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:00, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
* Sorry for not responding before this thing closed. The other proposal is better, but I still don't really see a problem with the current name.--Ermenrich (talk) 20:21, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 16 November 2018