Talk:ZSU-23-4 Shilka

message: The NATO Codename "Awl" is assigned to a Soviet/Russian Air To Air Missile. For the time being I have removed the sentence saying that the "Awl" codename is applied to the ZSU-23-4, unless someone out there can provide proof that it is so. Wikiphyte 12:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right you are.  AA-4 AWL is the NATO reporting name for the Raduga K-9 long range missle carried by the MiG Ye-152, both of which never left the prototype stage.  In my experience armor and ground vehicles never have NATO reporting names.  Should have caught that one myself.  Thanks and cheers.  L0b0t 13:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries mate! I was beginning to doubt my fragmented memories with regards to NATO reporting names. Maybe someone should start an article on that one, if there isn't one already. Wikiphyte 08:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I think you might be on to something there.  Awhile back one of the cable networks had a documentary about the MiG-15, and not once in the whole hour did they mention the NATO repoting name "Fagot" (I can only guess this was some kind of misguided nod to political correctness.)  Cheers. L0b0t 16:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotta love PC eh! Was it the History Channel? I seem to remember watching a doco on the air war in Korea, or something related to it, and I'm sure they didn't say the word "Fagot", just the MiG-15. I'd like to know who was the person who came up with that name in NATO. He must have really hated the communists LOL:P! Wikiphyte 13:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yea, I think it was History Channel.  I spent some time as an air defender in the U.S. Army and every Friday we had to take a VACR (visual aircraft recognition) test: 100 silhouettes, 100 photos, and 100 tail roundels.  One had to get at least 80 correct in each section or you got to spend your weekend studying and performing unpleasant work details (KP, gate guard, picking up trash).  Sometimes the reporting names appear in my dreams (Fagot, Farmer, Fishbed, Flogger, Frogfoot.....)  Cheers. L0b0t 14:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe ADA guy! They must have really drilled it into you fellas! What did you qual in? Chapparal, Patriot, Hawk, Vulcan? Wikiphyte 12:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was 16-R/S, M167 Vulcan cannon, Stinger missile.  Arrived for the change over from the Gama Goat to the HMMWV and left during the switch from Vulcan to M1097 Avenger.  During Just Cause, my squad sank a Panamanian Vosper PT-boat with our Vulcan (our gun is now at the Ft. Bliss ADA museum in El Paso, Texas.)  Thanks for the kind words on my talkpage.  I may well return, but for the next year or so I will be the asst. mess chief and head baker aboard whatever ship I get asssigned to.  Cheers. L0b0t 14:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries buddy! So you switched from Army to Navy? Now that you have experienced both worlds which one would you think is better? I bags the navy. I don't know how it works in the US but over here Down Under it is always the Army who gets the scraps of the defence budget...until recently that is with the GWOT and our guys in Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh well, take care and we'll see you around! Wikiphyte 14:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks Vlad, as always, you are a font of knowledge.  My source for the above comment is most likely outdated (it predates Glasnost anyway) Ray Bond's Modern Soviet Weapons, .  Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 16:58, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NATO Codename Error 

message: I found a few references to a vehicle called a ZSU-30. Apparently, it's an antiair track used by the Soviet Union around the 80's. Its armament is a 30mm Gatling gun, but I've seen no other stats. If someone can find the stats about that vehicle and post it somewhere on Wikipedia, it's be much appreciated. Thanks. 75.27.191.73 18:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ZSU-30-4 was a Sov SP ADA gun system that was to replace the ZSU-23-4.  It used 30mm guns instead 23mm, but never left the drawing board.  The project morphed into the Tunguska-M1 , there is a great history of the project here.  Cheers. L0b0t 02:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ZSU-30? 

message: "Gundish" is not the reporting name for this vehicle, it's the reporting name for the radar set attached to the vehicle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.200.117.106 (talk) 21:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "NATO Reporting Name" 

message: A North Vietnam Army Shilka opened fire against a F-8 in ~1970, during the Vietnam war. The pilot barely avoided the burst. I read it in an aviation magazine, can not remember which one and which issue in particular. But I had to mention this, because it indicates that the Shilka was used in Vietnam War.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.58.145 (talk) 23:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What were the imperialists bombing by 1975, anyway?--172.190.26.21 (talk) 20:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use during Vietnam War 

message: The Advantages and Problems are quite repetitive and don't really bring anything. I suggest the removal of this chapter. At least, don't include it in the Description Chapter...
Germ (talk) 23:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advantages and Problems 

message: Hope this helps. Ominae (talk) 03:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Particular ZSU model unusued in Philippine military service, but in display

message: Czechoslovakia actually never used Shilka. Don't be confused by nonsense about Czechoslovak license on Jane's - it only shows how bad source Jane's is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.112.33.239 (talk) 19:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czechoslovakia 

message: Is each gun only loaded 50 rounds at a time? or are the belts longer? The article isn't too clear.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.238.137.160 (talk) 10:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: ammunition feed

message: "Maszyna do szycia" means "sewing machine" in Polish, not a language used by Afghan natives. Surely it's an error in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.4.239 (talk) 16:50, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "maszyna do szycia"

message: The line about the nickname somewhat defies logic. It states that "Afghan soldiers" nicknamed it a sewing machine because the RUSSIAN word for sewing sounds close to the RUSSIAN original name "Shilka". Now I'm sure IF the Afghanis select a nickname for the beast they'll choose one in their own language and do not care about similiarities in Russian. Also shilka and shigh do NOT sound very similiar in Russian (in my opinion). I lived a long time in military environments in the East and the thing was always called the Shilka. The "sewing machine" was a propeller aircraft as far as I recall. I guess people could call the Shilka a sewing machine because of shooting rate, but then that would not be limited to afghani soldiers. Wonder if that's a case where one should seek for a proper source (also read section above please). --92.195.215.154 (talk) 14:07, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I also thought this sounded dubious, but mostly because it's pretty clear that "Shilka" is just the romanization of the Russian "Шилка", and I was dubious that that word had anything to do with sewing machines (this connection is not actually mentioned). According to interwiki links leading to Russian Wikipedia, "sewing machine" is "швейная машина", which sounds nothing like "шилка". Further, the name seems in fact to refer to the Shilka river near the Chinese border. I've removed the assertion as it seems to have no basis in reality and is not sourced. Hairy Dude (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghan soldiers nicknamed it ... 

message: Under the vehicle specifications, the engine is listed as a 6 stroke 8 cylinder engine.  From what I can tell from other sources, the engine is actually a 4 stroke V6.  The reference link to this fact leads to a 404.  Does anyone know of another reference for the 6 stroke 8 cylinder configuration?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.11.248.34 (talk) 14:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Six stroke V8? 

message: In fact it's correct name is M3 Biryusa. Someone has blundered,and how.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.144.97.11 (talk) 08:29, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  There newer was any MZ "Beryoza" 

message: The table says it was developed 1956-1962 and in operation from 1962. The text says development started 1957 and that it has been in use since 1965. I guess it may have been delivered for tests in 1962 and accepted in 1965 but more accurate information would be nice.150.227.15.253 (talk) 08:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology 

message: Why does the fact "The United States operates a few ZSU-23-4 for testing." have a citation needed after it? there is a photo in the "Weapons and fire control" section with a US marine inside a ZSU taken at Camp Pendleton, does that not solidly prove that the USA had at least a few such ZSU's-23-4's for testing?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:5C02:20E0:0:0:0:C847 (talk) 02:43, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation question