Talk:Ben Westlund

message: Just to let those editing this article know, a person from Ben Westlund's campaign should not be editing this article. It is a conflict of interest. Wikipedia has had a problem with campaigns editing articles about their candidate to make them look better. It is therefore recommended that they not edit articles about their candidate to keep them as unbias as possible. Thanks... Davidpdx 13:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict of Interest 

message: I think the pro choince category label should be left in until we can clarify the issue. Davidpdx 23:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro Choice Category 

message: While I welcome a discussion of whethere the reference should be in there, it is a mistake to leave it up.  The burden of adding claims to a wiki is on the poster.  Present evidence that Westlund is pro-choice and we'll hash it out here.  Until that affirmative decision is reached, though, it should not be posted.  Hence, I'm removing it again.
As reasons not to include this information, he openly supports parental notification.  In 2005, he voted for HB 2020 in the senate to expand homicide laws to cover fetuses by redefining "human being" to include an embryo or fetus at eny stage of development.  In 2003, he voted for HB 2547, which would have created a waiting period for abortions and required doctors to read a statement to those seeking abortion. 
None of those positions falls within the range of what is traditionally considered pro-choice.  All are opposed by pro-choice groups such as the ACLU and Planned Parenthood. (unsigned by User:Babbage ct 02:15, 9, June 2006 (UTC))
: You can still be pro-choice and support waiting periods and parental notification. This guy may not be super pro-choice, but compared to everyone else? Yeah. --Liface 17:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No doubt Westlund has a nuanced position that does allow for some abortion.  In a political context, however, he does not meet the 'pro-choice' moniker. (unsigned by 216.12.38.93 05:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: There is no Commission of Choice who determines who is and who is not pro-choice.  It is a self-defined state and Ben Westlund has always defined himself as pro-choice.  He was also defined as pro-choice by the party he left.  It's one of the reasons he was called a RINO.  Yes, Ben supports a reasoned parental notification bill, but the only people who are going to define that as anti-choice are extremists and people who work for Ted Kulongoski.  
Ben sponsored legislation last session to require insurers to cover contraceptions, and a bill to make emergency contraception available from a pharmacist.  He also fought hard to preserve funding for abortions for low-income women.  He believes abortion is a fundamental right and as Governor has said he would not sign any anti-choice legislation.
The pro-choice lobby must have liked something Westlund was doing becuase he received 100% from NARAL in 2005 and 100% from Planned Parenthood in 2003.  Those groups don't give their enemies good grades.  He's pro-choice.
Regarding who is is going to caucus with, why the independents of course. (unsigned by 66.39.164.186 10:28, 21, June 2006 (UTC))
:I tend to agree with you, if he calls himself pro-choice then leave that label on. The voters will decide if he is telling the truth or not. A footnote though, I doubt you can say all pro-choice people would consider him anti-choice, certainly I'm in the minority, but open to seeing it both ways.
:By the way, you should sign and date your comments on talk and vote pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~. Three tildes (~~~) produces just your name. Davidpdx 02:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro-choice 

message: I moved the paragraph about him changing his party affilation down and eliminated one sentence because it was repetitive. I also added updated information in terms of the number of signatures that the campaign claims they have.
There is definately a need for more information in this section though. It's kind of short and could use more details. Davidpdx 01:10, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the word 'unverified' before the campaigns claim on how many signatures it has. As we all know, a campaign really has to gather about twice as many signatures as it needs because many will be thrown out.  Do people think we should specify in the text that this is a camapaign count? babbage 15:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think just stating that they are unverified is fine. The validation rate for initative petitions has been about 65% so that's probably true that they would have to gather more then the 18,465. If I were running their campaign I'd shoot for 30,000 (thinking worst case senario is a 60% validation rate). Davidpdx 17:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I updated the signature count as his campaign is saying they have reached the number of signatures they need. However, I have it from an internal source that they are trying to reach 30,000 by the deadline. Davidpdx 01:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 Governor's Race Section 

message: I'm afraid I don't know how to do the Category stuff.  I've removed the mention of Westlund being a member of the Oregon House of Representatives.  He is not.  He used to be.  He is now in the Senate. Could someone make the correction?  babbage 15:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a look by clicking on the Oregon Government category and going to see what other categories are within it. I can't seem to find one for the Oregon State Senate, unless I'm blind (which may be the case with as tired as I am). I want to say that we should start the category, but then I'm afraid it will pop up somehow. Davidpdx 09:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an Oregon State Senate category.  See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Oregon_State_Senators babbage 03:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that's good to know. There are a few other articles about Oregon State Senators, so it might be good to make sure they are properly categorized I guess. Davidpdx 08:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senate Category 

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