Talk:List of former sovereign states

message: Several regions/modern countries (Britain, Iberia, France, Germany) have their various predecessor states listed back to the fall of the Roman Empire or thereabouts, but others (e.g. Russia, Italy) only list predecessors from the Early Modern, or even 19th Century.  Is there a deliberate reason for this, or is it just no-one has got around to adding them?  Also, is there a reason the Selucid Empire is missing from Persia? 62.172.108.23 (talk) 17:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything before the Early Modern period is on List of pre-modern states, including Seleucid Empire. -- Beland (talk) 20:31, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest dates for inclusion 

message: Reading this article one can notice that Frankish Empire was an state of modern france. I disagree.
There is a section for former medieval kingdoms. Modern states list it is too long. It shouldn't be made longer by adding more medieval states. They have their own category. 
I removed the most obvious medieval ones from the list and only left the ones which last until modern times.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caquinoh (talk • contribs) 00:00, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern states? 

message: I'd like to point out that the Juliana Republic never existed. Rebells took a small town in southern Santa Catarina province and "created" that republic. The government retook the town a few months later. The rebels never conquered the province's capital, or any other town.
The same applies to the Confederation of the Equator and to the Riograndense Republic. The rebels had a few towns in their control, but they never managed to rule over an entire province. --Lecen (talk) 22:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: All have since been removed. -- Beland (talk) 20:32, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confederation of the Equator, Juliana Republic, etc... 

message: The County of Foix may only have become a crown land in the 17th century but it has been a fief of France throughout. If Foix is t be listed we could list all of France's fiefs. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  County of Foix 

message: ** Tagalog Republic (1895-1898)
:This seems to refer to the Katipunan insurgency under Andres Bonifacio described in the first part of the wikilinked article, members of which decided to style themselves as a national government in late August of 1896. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This refers to an insurgency under Emilio Aguinaldo which had been largely inactive since December 1897 with its leadership in exile in Hong Kong and Singapore (see Pact of Biak-na-Bato), which became active again in 1898 during the Spanish-American War, which declared independence from Spain during that war, which styled itself as a constitutional government after sovereignty over the Philippines was passed from Spain to the United States in the Treaty of Paris (1898), and which fought an unsuccessful war of independence against the U.S. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed from ''Asia -> In the Philippines''

message: I have moved Sultanate of Rajah Buayan  here from the list of former sovereign states in the Philippines. Sultanate of Rajah Buayan currently redirects to Rajah Buayan, Maguindanao, which is a nonpolitical article about a 6th class municipality in the province of Maguindanao, Philippines.
From what I see here, this seems to refer to what is called there the Rajah Buayan Sultanate from 1899 to 1910 (the time of the 18th Sultan) and probably prior to that. The Philippines was under U.S. sovereignty from December 10, 1898 until July 4, 1946 and under Spanish sovereignty for some 300 years prior to that. There were insurgencies during the American period -- notably the Philippine-American War but, also and separately during and after that major conflict, in Mindanao and Tawi-Tawi. Those insurgencies still continue (or, if continue is not a good characterization, they re-erupt from time to time) up to the present. I'm guessing that there were probably related insurgencies during the Spanish period as well.
From what I can see, the Sultanate of Rajah Buayan is not now a sovereign state and probably has not been at least within the past 400+ years. Also, it looks to me as if the redirect at Sultanate of Rajah Buayan should be removed. See also Talk:Sultanate of Rajah Buayan#Merge into the municipality article? I may replace that rdirect with a stub article, or I might not get around to doing that. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:42, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippines: Sultanate of Rajah Buayan 

message: Even before you get to the actual list of states, this article seems confused as to what it is actually supposed to be about.  Is it:
* All extinct states (given that List of extinct states redirects here)?
* Former sovereign states (as implied by the title)?
* Historical sovereign states and non-sovereign states (as implied by the first line of the lede)?
* Sovereign states, countries, nations, empires or territories (as stated by the second line of the lede)?
* Recognized states (as per the criteria for inclusion)?
* Post-medieval states (given that all older ones have been hived off to other articles)?
Iapetus (talk) 16:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this article supposed to list? 

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message: Catalonia keeps appearing as having been sovereign for a few days in October 2017.  It was not.  The regional government issued a declaration of independence, but even they admit it was a purely symbolic act (and they immediately "suspended" it in any case).  There was never a Catalan state exercising sovereign authority.  If even the government of the putative state does not recognize it, it was not a sovereign state in any sense. Hogweard (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalonia keeps appearing 

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message: Dear IP,
please explain the reason of the mass removals. Thank you.(KIENGIR (talk) 18:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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message: This line in the lead section came from this August 2020 edit, the edit summary of which suggested that the entries to which this applies should be flagged individually, with clarifying footnotes. Any objections? Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:   The asserted sovereignty of some states listed here was generally unrecognized. 

message: Dear IPs,
why are you keeping on adding dynasties which are not states?(KIENGIR (talk) 19:43, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
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message: This edit caught my eye. It unreverted an addition, saying: Undid revision 1044927802 by Wowzers122 (talk) The government changed in 1987, not the country.. Based on a look at the initial sentence if the Sovereign state article, it seems to me that the revert ought to be undone. However, the initial sentence of this article puts some qualifiers on that. Also, from  a look at the Fiji article, it seems that the situation re Fiji is more complicated than just the 1987 change. I'm no expert, but it looks like this needs discussion here. by regular editors of this article with more topical expertise than I.
Discussion? Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:25, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiji governments 

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message: Many of the so called previous sovereign states are still there but with a change of government or a change of constitution creating a new name. To use the latest addition as an example: Afghanistan as a sovereign state is the same now as it was a year ago, or twenty years ago. Just because a new more radical change of government has occured does not alter that. I think there needs to be a much clearer definition of what should be added to this list and a simultaneous removal of at least half of the listed states. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 20:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, @R8R. I stumbled on this list via recent changes. The lead defines what is a sovereign state, but it doesn't say what it means to be considered "former". ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 03:38, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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message: I think this page should be split, can someone do this plz 2600:1700:6180:6290:68A2:D5A2:9C6A:3276 (talk) 23:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
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message: After seeing the unsourced flags I just removed (, ) and all the Commons notices above, I would strongly recommend that all these mini-flag icons simply be removed. They're unnecessary for the list and they just draw disproportionate attention to some links over others, which is incidentally the reason why flags are discouraged in infoboxes. I also note that a similar list article, List of pre-modern states, indeed does not include flags.
Historical flags are also a very different matter from modern flags and unsourced or WP:OR historical flags are pervasive on Wikipedia (or in Wiki Commons). The flags included here are presumably whatever happened to be included in another article at one point or another, so inevitably there are deprecated or unsourced versions. It seems impractical to keep track of all this here, so sticking to links and leaving the content to the linked articles might avoid problems. R Prazeres (talk) 18:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommend removing flags