Talk:Crime in Canada

message: "Although aboriginal persons make up 3.5% of Canada's population, they account for more than 20% of Canada's prison population. The prevalence of aboriginal persons incacerated in Canada is thus 3x the number per capita of incarcerated African-Americans in the United States of America."
:It is there because the large representation of America's black people in crime statistics is commonly commented on (51% of homicides from 11% of the population, according to Crime in the US) and seen as a significant piece of America's crime picture. Canada's aboriginal population being three times more likely than America's black people of committing crimes is noteworthy if nothing else.  72.179.63.12 (talk) 01:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race Section 

message: The article looks good, except that it lacks sources, something that is essential in articles like this. Adding external links does not qualify as "sourcing". --A Sunshade Lust 21:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: This "article" screams with bias in favor of Canada. Why is it even on Wikipedia? There are spelling errors within, lack of any citation, and a lack of factual statistics.
Actually, maybe it is because canada is a generally non violent country... and most of the articles on wikipedia have spelling errors and no citations.
Agree with the above poster, seems to me that every time an article comes out in which some country is better than the States (in any way shape or form) someone yells 'NPOV!'. 70.70.97.117 04:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased 

message: 29-Feb-08. Facts are facts. The Pew Center on the States report (http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/uploadedFiles/One%20in%20100.pdf) was just released. One out 100 Americans is in prison. In time, people get released, so in actuality 1 in 75 may be currently or has been in prison. Maybe it's worse. As an American that's scary199.198.220.100 (talk) 18:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberal Bias 

message: I understand that Canada is impacted by the US but it seems there is an unnecesarry amount of references and comparisons to the US in this article. This article is about crime in canada, yet every other phrase is quoting a US crime statisitic. Even in the section dealing with race and crime the US is again mentioned (with great detail about how blacks are supposedly not in ghettos in canada). Canada is its own Nation, you will not see any refferences to another country this frequent, in any other article about a particular nation's crime factors. I think a good deal of it should be trimmed down.
---Duhon December 23rd 2006
This still seems like an anti-US rant. 70.187.173.149 03:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why so many US comparisons? 

message: The guns section doesn't provide a casual link between stricter gun laws and lower crime rate...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.163.188.235 (talk) 07:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: do you mean a causal link?  TastyCakes (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guns 

message: A fair amount of the crime rate information is based on data from a single year, 2005, probably because it is the most recent year with statistics available. While the information is certainly accurate, some of the figures given have been known to vary significantly from year to year. Talking about year-to-year changes in the rates of certain crimes is perhaps misleading, since the changes in the rate of a particular crime in any given year might not reflect long-term trends. Likewise, certain cities might have the highest or lowest rate of a particular crime for a particular year, but it seems to sweeting to say "Anytown has the highest rate of crime X" when that is strictly only true for 2005. I would humbly suggest that an examination of longer-term crime trends might be more appropriate, although in fairness parts of the article try to do just that.
Second, any comparison of crime/police rates between countries should include an explicit discussion of the dangers of making such comparisons. While the incidence of Crime X might be higher in country A than country B, the definition of the crime could vary widely. (Think sexual assault in Canada, which is broadly defined, versus rape in some US states, which requires vaginal penetration. Also consider whether Canadian Alternative Measures programs, which deal with offences outside of the court system, artificially reduce the crime rate.) Likewise, the number of police officers could very much depend on how they are defined, e.g. are transit security officers considered police officers?. I'm not suggesting there shouldn't be any comparison between countries, but Wikipedia should be referencing sources that take these kinds of factors into consideration, and warning readers about the difficulties of measuring these things.
Finally... what a mish-mash. Why is the Frum article given such prominence? Do we care which provinces don't use the RCMP? Does the single sentence about Aboriginal people have anything to do with "Racial factors"? Does the comment about the terrorists arrested in Toronto really deserve comment?
This article needs a good re-write... I thought I'd just note my criticism here in case someone has the time to take this project on. 
24.67.114.130 04:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Frum article gets attention because someone included it, but the article contains fictional data and draws a conclusion that is completely wrong. If categorically untrue articles are mentioned in a wikipedia article, I think it is necessary that a rebuttal to the article also be included. Hence, far too much attention is paid to a ridiculous statement by an absurdly biased individual. Let's delete all mentions of the article, shall we? Its not like it has any factual validity or anything. Grant Gussie (talk) 15:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few criticisms 

message: A new Stats Can report came out recently with crime stats for 2007, I'll have a go at updating the data.  I agree with whoever it was above that said the article should focus less on comparisons with other places (particularly the US) and more on what the actual numbers are, as well as province to province comparisons and how the numbers have changed over time...  TastyCakes (talk) 01:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Stats

message: Is there still consensus that the tag is needed?  If not, what needs to be fixed to move it in that direction?  TastyCakes (talk) 20:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well since noone responded over the past 3 months, I'm removing it.  TastyCakes (talk) 20:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Tag

message: I could not find any of the information for this section in the DOJ report cited as a source, except for the statement that it is hard to compare different countries' crime statistics.  Could you please reference where this information is from.  --The Four Deuces (talk) 19:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other countries 

message: Im curious why there is no comparisons to Germany, France or oyher western eurpean nations  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.73.65 (talk) 06:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some comparison, for example on guns, punishment and law enforcement.  I think you are right though, a comparison of crime itself would be useful.  14:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's now a graphic, however it does not mention the sources where the data came from. I suggest it is removed until a proper source is provided.--Karljoos (talk) 12:39, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  how bout some comparisons with other nations 

message: Hello, an unregistered user keeps changing the title of the racial factors section to "Factors Related to Historically Oppressed Peoples and Circumstances of Injustice".  To avoid an edit war we should really sort this out.  I think the title as he has made it clearly represents a non-neutral point of view.  Further it is ridiculously ungainly, and other than the politically loaded jargon says exactly the same as "racial factors".  Wikipedia is not here to pass judgment on an issue - it is meant to present the issue as concretely and unbiasedly as possible.  The old title is clearly better in these regards, as well as being much more concise.  This article aims to describe the situation, not explain why the situation exists, especially in situations like this where the explanation is complicated, disputed and politically charged.  TastyCakes (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The new title is certainly a bit over the top. The biggest problem is the content of the section. There are only two sentences, one of which reads like unreferenced original research. The ideal solution would be to have a detailed discussion of the various socio-economic factors linked to crime, with the aboriginal issue only one of many. - SimonP (talk) 04:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  TastyCakes (talk) 14:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of the racial factors section 

message: I would have thought Australia with comparable population would have meant Canada (particularly Ontario and Quebec, and to an extent, British Columbia) would have suffered at times systematic high level police corruption, like what NSW witnessed for most of its history until the Wood Royal Commission (see also crime in Sydney for more details of systematic police involvement in organized crime for much of its history).  Even in Melbourne, which is more similar to Canada in political culture and a much lower crime statistics, there has been constant strings of bloody gang warfare - see Melbourne gangland killings for details.
Yet it seems crime levels in Toronto are more akin to New Zealand than anything Australia has ever seen.  We don't hear that much often about Toronto or Montreal gangland killings, and nothing about massive corruption scandals surrounding Toronto Police Service or RCMP akin to NSW Police from what I read.  So, was there ever in Canada's history that saw high levels of systematic police corruption and ties with organized crime?   
Is there something to do with culture, Canada not the biggest local fish in the region (but Australia definitely is), or I have not paid enough attention to the organized crime in Canada?  If anyone has information on police corruption or involvement with organized crime in Canada they could add info here, thanks. --JNZ (talk) 07:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did history of systematic police corruption and involvement in organized crime exist in Canada (as in Australia)? 

message: New Statscan data out today - surprised not to see it here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.57.148 (talk) 07:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Combination of Wikipedia is not a news source, and the fact that every year the stats get lower.  The only reason this is more newsworty than other years is that the stats are in contradiction to the federal government's policies on crime.  But if each year the stats go down, then it's hard to pick one of those years (i.e. this one) as being significant enough for inclusion... Singularity42 (talk) 12:09, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: lowest crime in 40 years

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