Talk:Malay language

message: Hi everyone.
I have decided to ask these questions in the hopes that someone - maybe a native speaker or a someone with more expertise on the subject - can add these clarifications to the "Phonology" section of the article, because it has been sometime since I am looking for these answers, and I am sure more beginning students of these languages have been having the same doubts as me:
1. I think I read somewhere that in Malay and Indonesian there is an "automatic" glottal stop before each word-initial vowel (even if this vowel is preceded by a word ending in a consonant), and between any vowels - with the exception of diphthongs, obviously. I did not gave this much thought though, until I realized that that was the way the words were being pronounced in the "Rosetta Stone - Indonesian" language learning software. So here is the question: In the "RS-I" software, are the words being pronounced like that just to make them more easily intelligible for beginners like myself, or are they really pronounced like that in everyday conversations? For instance, a simple sentence like
Apakah ada seorang pria di atas rumah itu?
Would be pronounced
[ʔa'pakah 'ʔada se'ʔorang 'pria di 'ʔatas 'rumah 'ʔitu]
Or, in normal (or maybe fast-paced) conversation,
[a'pakah'adase'orang'priadi'atas'rumah'itu]?
(' = Tonic Syllable)
2. In the same software ("Rosetta Stone - Indonesian"), the tonic syllables of some words seem to be the last one instead of the penultimate, even when the vowel in this syllable is not the schwa, and some words even seem to "change" their tonic syllable according to who is saying them. So here is the other question: Are the accentuation rules really just
"If the penultimate has a schwa, the last syllable is the tonic one; if the penultimate does not have a schwa, the penultimate is the tonic one;"
Or is this wrong?
Thank you very much, XVoX 23:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glottal Stops and Tonic Syllables 

message: "However, many Malay dialects are not as mutually intelligible: for example, Kelantanese pronunciation is difficult even for some Malaysians to understand, while Javanese tends to have a lot of words unique to it which will be unfamiliar to other speakers of Malay."
So Javanese is a dialect of Malay? Hayabusa future 02:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Be mindful of WP:OR. __earth (Talk) 11:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Javanese a Malay dialect? 

message: Please see Template talk:Distinguish#Incompatible wording for Distinguish2
For now I have changed the hatnote to
:Not to be confused with the Malayalam language, spoken in India.
--83.253.36.136 15:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The hatnote 

message: I took out the note about 'x' representing /ks/, /z/ and /s/ because it is unnecessary. Another note, the one about "k" at the end of word being pronounced as a glottal stop should not be under orthography, it is a phonological phenomenon, just like the final vowel reduction - /a/ to schwa in some varieties128.175.180.149 (talk) 05:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthographic notes 

message: The article on the Indonesian language begins as follows: "Indonesian (Bahasa Indonesia) is the official language of Indonesia. Indonesian is a standardized dialect of the Malay language that was officially defined..."
According to the Indonesian article, Indonesian is a form of Malay. According to this article, Malay is only similar to Indonesian. This article says that Indonesia adopted Malay as its official language but then goes on to refer to only the official register of it used in Malaysia (and Singapore & Brunei?). Shouldn't the wording of the introduction be changed, and the speaker statistics be changed to include Indonesian? And then shouldn't the point be made that the orthography being used in the article is Bahasa Malaysia, with a "main article" link to Indonesian?GSTQ (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anybody interested to learn about history and relation bahasa Indonesia & bahasa Melayu can visit here:- http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1077&context=ies Yosri (talk) 11:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Shouldn't this article ''include'' Indonesian?

message: Where does the figure of 400 millions Malay speakers come from? Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Pattani and East Timor together only make some 265 millions inhabitants. Meursault2004 (talk) 01:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  400 millions? 

message: I'm not really sure about this amount of speakers but I want to add: Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, East Timor, Southern Thailand, Southern Phillippines.
I think It's about 300 Millions something...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.192.107 (talk) 12:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  400 millions? - Answer 

message: * the second paragraph says
In Malaysia, the language is now officially known as Bahasa Malaysia, ("Malaysian language"). Singapore, Brunei and southern Thailand refers to the language as Bahasa Melayu ("Malay language").
* the third paragraph contradicts this, saying:
In Malaysia, the term Bahasa Malaysia, which was introduced by the National Language Act of 1967, was in use until the 1990s, when most academics and government officials reverted to "Bahasa Melayu," used in the Malay version of the Federal Constitution. According to Article 152 of the Federal Constitution, Bahasa Melayu is the official language of Malaysia. "Bahasa Kebangsaan" (National Language) was also used at one point during the 1970s.
So which is it ?
-endorf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Endorf (talk • contribs) 18:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  contradictory information on official name of the language in Malaysia 

message: It'd be great if this page had a map showing usage of the Malay language and derivitives.  Mathiastck (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: I think the Malay is not the official language of Indonesia. As stated by official website of Indonesia government the official language of Indonesia is "Indonesian Language". On the other hand, the term "spoken in Indonesia", is clearly right, since Malay language spoken by Malay ethic in Borneo and Sumatra. Malay in Indonesia can be considered used as local dialect in some parts of Indonesia and not an official langauge. This is similar to Sunda Language, Jawa Language, etc which is spoken by its ethic member. (114.59.163.169 (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indonesian language IS a variant of Malay. Saying Indonesian is not Malay makes Malay language paraphyletic. Kembangraps (talk) 18:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Yeah, Kembangraps is right. The Indonesian language is just a variant of Malay. For example, I speak Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian language) but I can understand Malay and are able to speak it if needed. Agent 78787 (talk) 17:42, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official in Indonesia (and Timor)? 

message: :"I noticed that it is making broad generalizations without any evidence."
I have the same problem with some text under "Origin", viz.
:"... while Indonesian contains many words unique to it that are unfamiliar to speakers of Malay (some because of Javanese (bahasa Jawa), Sundanese (bahasa Sunda) or other local language influence, and some because the language has been modified by youngsters)."
Although I have already cleaned up the grammar and pronunciation of this part, I have serious doubts about the final clause:
:"some because the language has been modified by youngsters)."
I believe this to constitute nothing more than opinion, and have seen no evidence for it.  Thus, after a short pause for reflection - say a week or so - I intend to remove that clause unless someone can offer support for it.
Another factor (for which evidence may exist) should perhaps be mentioned, and that is the fondness of official Indonesian for constructing new portmanteau words and abbreviations, e.g. "Kapolda", found in news reports, which I can only guess to be a contraction of "Ketua Polis Daerah".  Again, we would need suitable sources (but I have none) before adding to the article.
yoyo (talk) 08:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Indonesian officials are fond of abbreviations. I think we can add that, although we should find some reliable source for it. By the way, your guess of the meaning of Kapolda is close, it is "Kepala Polisi Daerah" (which has basically the same meaning with your guess). Gombang (talk) 17:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role of "youngsters" 

message: There are lots of Malay Dialects spoken in South East Asian. This works like the Chinese or Indians that has lots of dialects where outsiders almost can't tell the differences. These different dialects can be detected if a researcher stayed and listen carefully on different speakers. 
Much of the cause of these differences are the many Malay Kingdoms around South East Asia before that developing the language on their own ways. Some are not too different and some are totally hard to understand. Until today, there are still 10 official Malay Kingdom with Kings or Sultanates, that are the 9 Kings or Sultanates of Malaysia and One Sultan of Kingdom of Brunei. However, there are also unofficial Malay Kings such as in Southern Thailand, Southern Philippines, and some parts of the Indonesian Islands such as in the Sumatra. Other lost Malay Kingdoms are the Pattani of South Thailand, Temasik of Singapore, Sulu of South Philippines, Malacca of Central Malay Peninsula, Acheh of North Sumatra, Palembang of Middle Sumatra and many more. Much of the lost kingdoms are because of the Colonization age. In Malaysia alone, the Malay Language are varied according to different states (Kingdoms). There are the Northern Malay Dialects spoken by the State of Kedah, Penang, Perlis and Northern Perak. The Johore-Riau Dialects are spoken in Selangor, Johore, Malacca and Singaporean Malay. The Unique Dialects that spoken only in their own states are the Nogori Dialects Spoken by the State of Negeri Sembilan Natives, the Perakian Dialects spoken by the Perak Natives, The Terengganu Dialects spoken by the Terengganu natives, the Pahang Dialects spoken by the Pahang Natives, the Kelantanese Dialects spoken by the Kelantan Natives, Sarawakian Dialects spoken by the Sarawak Malays and the Sabahan Dialects spoken by the Sabah Malays. The Southern Thailand of Malay area in Pattani spoke much similar to the Kelantanese and the Southern Thailand of Malay area in Narathiwat spoke much the same with the Northern Malay Dialects (Kedah Perlis). The Southern Philippines of Malay Area (Mindanao and Sulu) can be understood by the Sabahan Malays and the Kadazans becaus it is quite close to their Dialects.
A very common Malay Dialects that being considered as Official Malay Language (Bahasa Melayu/Bahasa Malaysia) are the Johore-Riau Dialects. These Dialects has been officially used in the government sectors, Mass-media (Printed and Electronics) and schools. A very unique dialects and considered as hard to understand are the Kelantanese, the Terengganu, and the Sarawakian Dialects.
If you find out that there are lots of Malay Dialects in parts of Malaysia-Singapore, Southern Thailand, and Southern Philippines. These are not too much if to compare with the diversity of Dialects in Indonesia. That would be covered in the different topics. Snoiprocs16 (talk) 15:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different Dialects of the Malay Language. 

message: I have added the awalan "juru-" into this article, since it is one of the five Malay noun prefixes. To note, Malay has five awalan or prefixes such as peN-, pe-, peR-, ke-, and juru-.
This was edited by me by referring to the Dewan Bahasa & Pustaka (DBP)'s grammar book, that is Tatabahasa Dewan Edisi Baharu. This loss of facts or information should be avoided in the future.
Master of Books (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 10:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The loss of Malay's noun prefix in this article 

message: I would like to propose the following 
The Etymology of Malay or Malayu goes back to the 7th century and is derived from what the Kshatriya ruling class of the Srivijaya Kingdom (the bunts and the Nairs), who were from South West region of India speaking Malayalam a Dravidian dialect named from Ancient times from Malaya Mountains where it originated. This is evidenced by the Balinese Kshatriya's who claim ancestral origin from south west India Kshatriya casts. Some historian promote that the word Melayu derives from the Sanskrit] term Malaiur translated as "land of mountains" which is erroneous since Sanskrit nor any other Prakrit has a similar word in context. During the time of the first unified Kingdom of the region the local people must have identified with the rulers and started to refer themselves as such, So when the European colonist first arrived the must have proclaimed themselves 'Malayu' or any such other similar variant.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoeticOne (talk • contribs) 08:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any reliable sources per WP:V? thanks --Merbabu (talk) 09:17, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of the Word and Uasage of ''Malay/Malayu'' 

message: Should we include the as Indonesian, as Malaysian, and possible others such as as Bruneian in the infobox after each country such as the IP just added to East Timor? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 06:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox standard languages noted 

message: It's really great to see it fixed. Really. Thanks. Terima Kasih! Salamat talaga! PacificWarrior101 (talk) 03:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  whoever fixed that map.....thank you. 

message: Please be very aware of how your posts are presented here, how text is rendered, etc. It's really confusing to read who has said what. If you want your comments/posts to be clear, then I suggest the following be adhered to:
* Do not use bullet points to start your post. Only use bullet points if it is very clear that they are part of your post. You may need to check the indenting to ensure they are seen as within your post. 
* The wikipedia format quotes are really confusing. And why start a comment with one? Unclear and poor writing
* Editors should not insert their responses within another editors comments. WP:TALK is very clear that an editor's comments should not be modified by someone else. If someone does it do me, I either remove their comment or place it somewhere else.
* Using another name in your signature, and even another language/script is very confusing to others. This is English wikipedia, and hence we use English with Roman script. Please observe. And don't hide your actual name from the signature.
Not all of my points above are necessarily part of policy, and you do not have to abide by them. On the other hand, they will help you get your message across. You may all think the above section is clear because you made the comments and you remember who said what, but for the first time reader (like me) it's a confusing mess, and I for one, cannot be bothered trying to work it out and hence your points are, at least in part, lost on me. --Merbabu (talk) 23:43, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk page formatting and etiquette 

message: http://www.lexilogos.com/english/malay_dictionary.htm
These old dictionaries contain the Malay words in both Jawi script and Roman script, so it will help non malays identify terms in Jawi script, and also they are significant and unique because modern english malay dictionaries only use Roman script and not Jawi anymore, so they should be put into the further reading section. 
Jawi and Romanised
https://books.google.com/books?id=Y0Q8AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA484&dq=genting+tile&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bY6xVOPVJImcgwSRtYHABQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=genting%20tile&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=4Vo46n39CicC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=TFkOAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Y0Q8AAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=e8QTAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=4Vo46n39CicC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=N65FAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=5H9FAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Pq5FAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=cywVAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=a91GAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=WyZHAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=b39FAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=F6MTAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=w4VBAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=zbowAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=zqIiAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=relNgWfO7eEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Romanised only
http://books.google.com/books?id=oc5BAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=P0UPAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=359kAAAAMAAJ
http://books.google.com/books?id=f9EOAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=eaQTAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=hYBBAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
A practical Malay grammar
http://books.google.com/books?id=opw0AQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
English, Sulu, Malay vocabulary
http://books.google.com/books?id=t4RBAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=RPYUAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xaM0AQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.readanybook.com/author/andson-cowie-william-clark-cowie-192229
ENGLISH, SULU, AND MALAY VOCABULARY
http://www.jstor.org/stable/41560760?
ENGLISH, SULU, AND MALAY VOCABULARY W. E. Maxwell and T. H. HAYNES Journal of the Straits Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society No. 16 (DECEMBER, 1885), pp. 321-384 Published by: Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41560760 Page Count: 64
http://www.jstor.org/stable/41607025?
ENGLISH, SULU, AND MALAY VOCABULARY (Continued) T. H. Haynes Journal of the Straits Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society No. 18 (DECEMBER, 1886), pp. 191, 193-239 Published by: Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41607025 Page Count: 48
Teaching Malay
https://archive.org/details/cu31924011084948
Grammar
https://archive.org/details/practicalmalaygr00shelrich
https://archive.org/details/simplebutcomplet00pear
https://archive.org/details/grammarofmalayan00mars
https://archive.org/details/agrammarmalayan00marsgoog
https://archive.org/details/agrammarmalayan01marsgoog
https://archive.org/details/colloquialmalays00wins
https://archive.org/details/grammairedelala00favrgoog
https://archive.org/details/grammairedelalan00favr
A Malay manual with grammar, reading exercises, and vocabularies
https://archive.org/details/malaymanualwithg00freerich
Dictionary
https://archive.org/details/aeg2034.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/afu7967.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofmala00marsrich
https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofmala01howi
https://archive.org/details/dictionnairemal00favrgoog
https://archive.org/details/dictionnairemal01favrgoog
https://archive.org/details/afu7933.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/afu7933.0002.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/kitbpadameniatk00richgoog
https://archive.org/details/ahy2565.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/afu7946.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/afh0364.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/maleischnederla00tuukgoog
https://archive.org/details/afh0364.0003.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/afu7948.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/afh0364.0002.001.umich.edu
Grammar and Dictionary
https://archive.org/details/grammardictionar00craw
https://archive.org/details/grammardictionar02craw
https://archive.org/details/malaygrammar00winsrich
Vocabulary
https://archive.org/details/cu31924081220968
https://archive.org/details/vocabularyofengl01swet
https://archive.org/details/malayenglishvoca00sheliala
https://archive.org/details/afu7962.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/afu7954.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/afu7962.0002.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/anr0813.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/anr0813.0002.001.umich.edu
A lexilogus of the English, Malay, and Chinese languages : comprehending the vernacular idioms of the last in the Hok-keen and Canton dialects
https://archive.org/details/lexilogusofengli00malarich
The Singapore triglot vocabulary (English, Malay, Chinese)
https://archive.org/details/afu7959.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/singaporetriglo00shelgoog
A manual of the Malay language. With an introductory sketch of the Sanskrit element in Malay
https://archive.org/details/manualofmalaylan00maxwrich
https://archive.org/details/amanualofthemala25604gut
A Malay reader (romanized) for the use of pupils in the second standard of the vernacular schools of the Straits Settlements
https://archive.org/details/malayreaderroman00strarich
Malay Texts
https://archive.org/details/kitabperboewatan00klin
https://archive.org/details/wasiyatyanglamay33klin
https://archive.org/details/aeq4245.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/cu31924008136537
Dutch-Malay
https://archive.org/details/cu31924020365494
Bibles
https://archive.org/details/kitabindjilsoetj00klin
https://archive.org/details/hetnieuwetestame04klin
https://archive.org/details/wasiatjangbeharo00klin
https://archive.org/details/wasiyatyanglamay11klin
https://archive.org/details/wasiyatyanglamay22klin
https://archive.org/details/zaboorijaitoeseg00veth
Malay phonetics
https://archive.org/details/cu31924084672934
The Malay orthography
https://archive.org/details/malayorthography00hudsrich
Glossaire explicatif des mots de provenance malaise et javanaise
https://archive.org/details/GlossaireExplicatifDesMotsDeProvenanceMalaiseEtJavanaise
Mémoire, lettres et rapports relatifs au cours de langues malaye et javanaise fait à la Bibliothèque royale pendant les années 1840-41, 1841-42, et à deux voyages littéraires entrepris en Angleterre, pendant les années 1838 et 1840 (1843)
https://archive.org/details/mmoirelettreset00dulagoog
Catalogue of Malay manuscripts and manuscripts relating to the Malay language in the Bodleian library
https://archive.org/details/cu31924023611746
The natives of Sarawak and British North Borneo; based chiefly on the mss. of the late H. B. Low, Sarawak government service
https://archive.org/details/nativessarawaka01lowgoog
Rajmaan (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old english malay dictionaries and grammars 

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=2_9PkY6SBgQC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007704411
https://archive.org/details/vocabularyofengl00sing
21:16, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: A vocabulary of the English, Bugis, and Malay languages, containing about 200 words

message: Hanlin_Academy#Foreign_language_vocabularies
A Chinese Vocabulary of Malacca Malay Words and Phrases Collected between A.D.1403 and 1511?
A Chinese Vocabulary of Malacca Malay Words and Phrases Collected between A. D. 1403 and 1511 (?) E. D. Edwards and C. O. Blagden Bulletin of the School of Oriental Studies, University of London, Vol. 6, No. 3 (1931), pp. 715-749 Published by: Cambridge University Press on behalf of the School of Oriental and African Studies Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/607205
http://books.google.com/books?id=dxwiAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA366&lpg=PA366&dq=Gempita+mist&source=bl&ots=DoA1Mpi5cM&sig=2NAfnprwoKpdOT_rqA9oIYOWDPc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SH9rVMaUBYSjgwSWsYPYBQ&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Gempita%20mist&f=false
Page 95
http://books.google.com/books?id=s1cLAQAAMAAJ&q=Gempita+fog&dq=Gempita+fog&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vH9rVO6jFsGfNv32gYgN&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ
Rajmaan (talk) 01:55, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ming dynasty Chinese-Malay vocabulary list 

message: The article currently says there is no grammatical plural, but Reduplication#Function_and_meaning claims the same thing I had thought: that plurals are indicated by reduplication. Can someone clarify? —Largo Plazo (talk) 16:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Reduplication does several things, including emphasizing plurality, but there is no general rule that you must reduplicate every noun with a plural referent.  "Hearts" is just hati, not hati-hati.  Try the article on Malay grammar.  — kwami (talk) 07:29, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noun plurals? 

message: Please, how to make that all and only Indonesian IP users get redirected to Indonesian language when trying to view this article. Thank you. 202.73.225.84 (talk) 22:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Wikipedia is not censored. Also, please follow directions in the future: "This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. 'Please change X' is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form 'please change X to Y'." You did basically exactly what they instruct not to do. You might consider discussing the topic of Bhasa Indonesia/Bhasa Melayu here on the talk page now that you can no longer spam-vandalise the page as consensus is the heart of Wikipedia. You might be surprised to find that people might agree that Indonesian and Malay should not be separated into separate articles and actually get the change you are looking for. Ogress smash! 23:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2015 

message: Is Indonesian and Malay the same language. When I am trying to access a website and set the language to Malay, the webpage shows the Indonesian version of the webpage, like flirchi.com. I think they are the same language. Please merge Indonesian and Malay Wikipedia. Thank You. 139.193.86.20 (talk) 07:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, you are wrong if you said both languages are 100% similar just because you surfing a self-publish website who even did not know the differences. I am a Malay speaker so we know a lot of difference between the two languages. Read this, this and as well this conversation to know more about the Indonesian language which are totally different from Malay language. ~ Muffin Wizard ;) 07:13, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indonesian and Malay 

message: I set a smartphone language to Malay. When I am running an Android app which has Indonesian language resources but no Malay language resources (such as Cymera), while the smartphone language is set to Malay, the application used the default language (usually English) and not Indonesian language. Why? Does Android know that Indonesian is similar to Malay?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.73.225.18 (talk) 13:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indonesian and Malay language in Android 

message: I want to redirect this page to Indonesian language for all and only Indonesian IPs. How this can be done?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.62.17.217 (talk) 00:32, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect based on IP 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Malay langauge. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Steel1943 (talk) 18:29, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Malay langauge" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: I felt article Islamic_literature is in bit of neglect so I added my note on talk page there, requesting to take note of Talk:Islamic_literature#Article_review. If possible requesting copy edit support. Suggestions for suitable reference sources at  Talk:Islamic_literature is also welcome. 
Posting message here too for neutrality sake
Thanks and greetings
Bookku (talk) 08:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting wider attention

message: The terms "Aurat", "Arvad", "Avret", and "Awrath" may refer to: Women of Asian religious or cultural descent and identity. 
Self nomination for AFD since article copy pasted to Draft:Aurat for incubation because IMHO current article title Aurat (word) is misleading and confusing leading to western systemic bias and stifling the article growth. Please find Detail reason at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word) 
I invite project members to review current and potential sourcing and weigh in on the AfD discussion. Thanks! 
Bookku (talk) 02:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word) 

message: Hello many greetings,
Requesting your proactive contribution and support in updating Draft:Aurats (word) in relation to the related languages you know well. 
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku (talk) 03:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting small help  

message: Bahasa Indonesia or Indonesian language is indeed originated from Bahasa Melayu, but calling it Bahasa Melayu or Malay would make it complicated in the Indonesian context as Bahasa Melayu is one of the regional languages in Indonesia 202.43.95.31 (talk) 19:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bahasa Indonesia =/= Bahasa Melayu in Indonesian context 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I fail to see how Malay could be a “recognised minority language” in Australia, seeing as we do not recognise any language in any official capacity. 101.112.0.95 (talk) 22:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm removing that. Also Burma and Philippines. — kwami (talk) 22:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recognised language in Aus 

message: Before you add "Melindo" as alternative name for the Malay macro-language again, I advise you to carefully read the source that you have cited. The volume is correctly entitled Melbourne Studies in Education, the relevant chapter is "Language and Values in Indonesia" by Sue Nichterlein. Here's a courtesy link for all editors with a Internet Archive account:. In this chapter, the author describes attempts in the 1950s to create a unified standard language from Indonesian and Standard Malay (as then used in Malaya) under the umbrella term "Bahasa Melindo". This project was aborted in the Konfrontasi period. So the "Melindo" language never has come to be, and the term is simply not used as an alternative name for Malay/Indonesian as a pluricentric language.
The associated "Melindo spelling" (Ejaan Melindo) is discussed some sources about the Malay/Indonesian spelling reform proposals of the 1950s, 60s and 70s.
This footnote of history might be an interesting addition to this article (or :History of the Malay language), but it's nothing to be mentioned in the infobox. Austronesier (talk) 19:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melindo, again. 

message: Why this sentence had to use quotation mark like this? (including 260 million as "Indonesian".) Whats the matter for using such feature? Thank you. 182.253.54.81 (talk) 09:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indonesian with quotation mark? 

message: While Indonesian shares historical roots with Malay and there is mutual intelligibility to some extent, Indonesian has undergone significant linguistic development and standardization efforts, leading to differences in vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation. Additionally, Indonesian has absorbed vocabulary from various local languages spoken across the Indonesian archipelago, further distinguishing it from classical Malay. Bayoka55 (talk) 21:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In conclusion, it is true that Indonesian is historically rooted in Malay. Indonesian, as a standardized language, evolved from the Malay language and was heavily influenced by it. However, over time, Indonesian has undergone significant linguistic development, standardization efforts, and the incorporation of vocabulary from various local languages, resulting in its status as a distinct language. So while Indonesian has its origins in Malay, it has evolved into its own unique language with differences in vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation. Bayoka55 (talk) 21:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Kindly please read second paragraph of lead section and Pluricentric language, it should clear things up. Btw, I am Indonesian myself, I know the difference of both languages. However in linguistics point of view, Indonesian is just another standardized variety of Malay and it was also described clearly in this article. Ckfasdf (talk) 21:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

text:  Also I'd like to invite an actual linguist (such as ) into this discussion. Ckfasdf (talk) 21:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, Indonesian is a different standard and has developed very much to become his its own kind. Also the diglossia which turned the regional language Betawi into the basilect of standard Indonesian additionally contributed to the divergence between Indonesian and the standard(s) of Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei. We can capture this by pointing out the differences in the second paragraph. Neverthless, it does not alter the fact that Indonesian is a standardized form of Malay (as described in many RS), inspite of the fact that "Malay" is not used to refer to Indonesian in common parlance. –Austronesier (talk) 21:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  new discussion 

message: L1 numbers are listed at 83 million, but in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers article, Indonesian is listed as 44 million, and on ethnologue (https://www.ethnologue.com/insights/ethnologue200/) Malay L1+L2 is listed as 19.2m, so are the extra 19 million coming from 'Baba Malay' and 'Baba Indonesian'?
It would be helpful if someone could post the L2 figures from Ethnologue so at least things would be consistent in the infobox. 90.167.94.143 (talk) 00:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speaker numbers