Talk:Susan Atkins

message: NOTICE - ADMINISTRATORS - ATKINS IS NOW DECEASED - "BIO OF LIVING PERSONS" NOTICE SHOULD BE REMOVED - thanks.
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replies: text: Well, unless you're the medical examiner and want to issue a different cause of death to the press officially, all we can go on is what was given as her cause of death, which was, in fact, stated as being of natural causes. If you will look, the cause is cited to the announcement. We can't do original research and say it was clearly something else in face of the official cause given. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Natural Causes is all we can verify right now.  Based on some letters her husband sent out to supportive websites, there is some doubt that she even still had cancer at the time of her death.  He had stated she was in remission and that further treatment for the cancer had been cancelled as a result.  This was in August.  Sometimes when people have suffered a long illness, the cause of death is not the illness itself but something as simple as their heart stopped beating AKA Cardiac Arrest - that would be natural causes.  All it means is that her death was not the result of trauma, acute illness, accident or homicide.  She was in her 60's and had gone through some pretty physically demanding treatments for her cancer.  Chemo and Radiation often leave the body in a weakened state.  It would be speculation to say that the cancer was the cause of her death.  If she was under the care of a doctor at the time of her death, and she was, they can simply write natural causes if they want to on the death certificate.  let's not dramatize this.  Her death was expected and anticipated.  it is why she was pushing for compassionate release.LiPollis (talk) 05:14, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the actual medical information was so scant, I've never been clear on the reason her leg was amputated. I don't think it was ever explained. Have you heard anything definitive, Lisa? Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death? 

message: The popular alternative band Alkaline Trio has two releases of a song entitled "Sadie" about Ms. Atkins. I feel someone should add it to the wiki. I would do it but I'm profoundly lazy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.5.109.34 (talk) 17:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  alk3 Songs 

message: FYI, a request for mediation has been initiated (not by me) at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-01-25/Susan Atkins. Equazcion (talk) 18:08, 25 Jan 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It can certainly be filed, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree to it. The opinions expressed here today convince me that there is no need. I do not need a lecture on what goes on a death certificate, nor who signs it. The mediation request states that this article needs to say "however, the official cause of Atkins' death as listed on her death certificate has not been released to the public." There is no need to escalate this to mediation when opinions have said that this sort of "disclaimer" qualifies as synthesis. No one mentioned my points that it is highly likely her death was attended by a physician, who could possibly have signed a death certificate. If that is the case, the cause given is official. There is no demand to autopsy in an attended death of someone expected to die. There have been no references presented that any of the facts being touted are true - no reference to an autopsy, no reference to "official cause of death", no reference to a released death certificate. I won't waste my time being dragged to mediation to try and force me to agree to including synthesis. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

text: No one has stated she died of old age. We can only report what is carried in reliable sources, and the only source we have that approaches that says "natural causes", which can certainly apply when a death is expected. There is no reliable source that supports including an authopsy mention and none that states cancer. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation requested 

message: I think all of the "citation needed" bits at the end of the Tate/LaBianca section can be sourced through the Bugliosi/Gentry book "Helter Skelter." PurpleChez (talk) 13:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have that book, but if you do, all you have to do is find the page numbers the "citation needed" tags correspond to and insert the references.  You seem to have been around WP for awhile, no? Doc9871 (talk) 09:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Tate/LaBianca

message: The photo shown as Susan's mug shot is most certainly NOT her, but an actress who played her in a Manson Family biopic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.39.28 (talk) 19:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The top shot is most certainly Atkins.  Are you referring to the original arrest mug shot?  You offer no links or refs to your claim. HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The IP is referring to the "mug shot" in this section - and it is most certainly not Atkins. I will try to track down the source, but this should be removed as it is clearly not her. Doc talk 01:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Well, I was wrong. Apparently this is Atkins, and the mug is widespread enough so that there's nothing we can do about it. Weird, because I thought the same thing, that it was a fake. Oh well... Doc talk 02:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I suspect Garwain is correct.  This is a certified mug shot: http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae249/houserascal/boone1.gif - can we crop/put this up instead?  If you look at the facial features of many other newspaper photos of Atkins back at the time of the arrests, the current photo has many dissimilarities. HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have always thought the picture looked suspicious, and only when I looked elsewhere did I see that the image was credited as being Atkins on multiple sites. So, yes: could you post the links to Pop Smear? If it is indeed not Atkins the picture should probably just go. Doc talk 20:54, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Gone. Good research! Doc talk 07:22, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake mug shot photo 

message: Wow. According to this not even Jesus Christ worked as hard as this lady.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.46.2 (talk) 18:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a quote from her husband, who is understandably biased in his assertion of her righting some unspeakable wrongs. The source provided is a dead link, so I removed it and added a citation needed tag. I'm sure it's out there and I'm looking for it... Doc talk 22:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave it. Removing it was the right thing to do.88.110.123.30 (talk) 16:36, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:   I can look for a source on that. I have a number of works relating to the Manson Family cases and if there is a reliable source on that in existence I can look for it. I'm not sure how relevant it is though since it's just one person's opinion on her and not something that was really impactful on either her biography or on the broader subject of the case. Alicb (talk) 15:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  No one (on) the face of the Earth worked as hard as Susan did to right an unrightable wrong." 

message: User:Ewulp, you know very well what I'm doing. I'm removing text that I added because I decided that it was a poor addition. I made the mistake of adding information to an article without reading it first to see if the information was already present. It is, so I never should have made the change in the first place. Please go do whatever it is you would be doing if I had never edited the article. Thanks. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 05:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Once you add text to an article, it's part of the article and you no longer "own" it. I challenge you to show me where the existence of Atkins's book The Myth of Helter Skelter is "information already present" in the article. There is no good reason to leave this publication out of her biography. Ewulp (talk) 06:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book