Talk:Southern California

message: Most people would agree that Bakersfield is in Central California as it is in the Central Valley. Most people associate them selfs with Central California not SoCal. Any thoughts? thanks, House1090 (talk) 05:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Even by wikipedia's own definition.  House1090 (talk) 05:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bakersfield? 

message: MOS:COMPASS lists "Southern California" as an example of a title that should be capitalized, but it looks like a local consensus was former here in 2010 to lowercase it. Since the MOS overrides the local consensus, I believe we should restore the capitalization.  talk 20:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization redux 

message: The longstanding definition of Southern California is the lower third of the state, cut in a straight line at 35°45' (just north of Mission San Miguel Arcángel) as proposed in 1859, or following the northern borders of the modern counties San Luis Obispo, Kern and San Bernardino, which are more or less drawn at 35°45' degrees latitude, not exactly a straight line. This definition of Southern California has been in the public mind for more than 160 years, and is still the main definition. It was codified in 1859 by the Pico Act approved by 75% of California voters and signed by Governor Weller, to create the new territory of "Colorado". See Territory of Colorado (California). 
Today, this definition of Southern California holds ten counties. Back in 1872, the same area contained six, then seven, then eight counties by 1889.  In 1897 the same area held nine counties. Finally, in 1907, San Diego County was divided to create the tenth county: Imperial. 
Certainly, there are other viewpoints about the definition of Southern California. But each one of them is of minor importance compared to the widely held ten-county definition. We can and should tell the reader about them, but not at the expense of proclaiming the ten-county definition as foremost by far. 
A recent effort by  sought to widen the scope of the definition to make Southern California a much smaller place, equivalent to the western urbanized areas of the "South Coast", leaving out the sparsely populated eastern desert areas and northward from the Santa Barbara coast. Uni3993 found website sourcing at TripSavvy, a travel site, and Oakdome, a self-published home-schooling website. These are nowhere near authoritative enough to establish the notional "South Coast" definition as equally important. 
Many sources establish Southern California as being the lower third portion of the state, cut west-to-east in a nearly straight line. Post-1907 sources may also talk about a ten-county definition of Southern California.
*In 1944, the United States Forest Service acknowledged the ten-county definition: "Taking Southern California as a whole, the ten counties usually considered as comprising..."
*The 1952 University of California Press textbook State and Local Government in California talks about the definition of Southern California on page 37, saying that it was made up of the "ten counties below the straight line formed by the northern boundaries of San Luis Obispo, Kern and San Bernardino counties..."
We should strive to represent the literature in balance, giving much greater weight to the mainstream viewpoint. Binksternet (talk) 23:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok but whats wrong with mentioning, as a side note in the lead section and a new separate definitions section, that popularly or colloquially especially by people living in SoCal, it also carries a South Coast definition, again colloquially. Which is already included in a sentence in the geography section of this article. That very urban agglomeration has to have a name right by people living there and it does see here too Megaregions_of_the_United_States#Statistics_(RPA_reckoning) and also my other sources? Uni3993 (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your sourcing is terrible. Your sources say nothing at all about how Californians view their state. If you ever found suitable sources, the mention would be appropriate for the body but not the lead section. Binksternet (talk) 03:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   It's just very hard to find any other source about this specific information. OK then tell me this, dont you think there would a be a term that would refer to the huge urban agglomeration, I know the article mentions South Coast, but how many times have you heard people talking about the South Coast? Uni3993 (talk) 03:28, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   Ok I gave up, you win let the article be wrong. I just added sources to AN ALREADY EXISTING SENTENCE and also moved the regions in the section Geography to the section Regions which obviously makes much more sense. Uni3993 (talk) 03:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: So now you've violated WP:3RR to get your nonsense put into the page, which means you may be blocked. Any time you find yourself in the situation where it is "very hard to find any other source about this specific information" then you should just stop trying to stick it in. Wikipedia is supposed represent the published literature in summary form; people usually read the literature and then add something to Wikipedia. You, however, came up with a personal observation and then you tried and failed to find adequate sourcing to support it. THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS. Binksternet (talk) 03:44, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   I didn't revert first of all this change is a completely different change, and I wholeheartedly believe that my sources are reliable. If you want we can find someone from Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard to confirm? Do you want that? Uni3993 (talk) 04:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The dividing line near the 36th parallel 

message: Why was that literature section removed due to lack of notability? I do not agree with this change and it looks okay to stay in article. Would you like to give me further details about why was literature section omitted after editing? I definitely want to listen to that editors. Thank you for reading this. And do not forget the links cited in this source. —-:ThatCaliforniaLover2019 (talk) 19:22, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature section being removed 

message: It would be useful to add a map of what Southern California looked like when the Indian tribes (Indigenous Americans) lived there. Such as this map: The Gabrielino Indians at the time of the Portola Expedition. It was designed by historian Allen Welts and copywritten in 1962 by the Southwest Museum. Another example: this map shows ancient tribal routes and communities. Here's a map of the Tongva villages in the Los Angeles Basin. - Artanisen (talk) 09:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Map of Southern California with Original Indian Tribes (Indigenous)