Talk:Falcon (comics)

message: Since when? Kusonaga 10:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HIV+? 

message: The race section seems confused. Sam's the first ASfrican-american hero, but The Black Panther's the first black hero? that's sort of backwards, isn't it? if BP is FROM africa, and premiered as someone living here, then HE would be African-american, and Sam, who was born and raised here, would be black, right? ThuranX 14:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  black/african-american 

message: As this B-Class article has yet to receive a review, it has been rated as C-Class. If you disagree and would like to request an assesment, please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/Assessment#Requesting_an_assessment and list the article. Hiding T  14:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: C-Class rated for Comics Project

message: The infobox image needs to be changed, as it does not follow WikiProject Comics guidelines for a clear, easily readable image of his costume with no distracting background elements. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What happened to the one of him that used to be in there? It a clear shot of him flying upward, unobscurred by the type of posing he was striking, etc. Why was that removed? Nightscream (talk) 02:00, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

text: There should not be images of every single uniform he's had, but I agree that the one in the Infobox is not the best one that could be used. Nightscream (talk) 03:11, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox image

message: Given the amount of information it has to cover, I don't think it's clear that the "plot description" (character biography) is too long. The Falcon has a complex history. He's also the central figure in an extensive network of friends and family that reaches into many areas of Marvel continuity.  Since the other Marvel superheroes get as much wordage as it takes to summarize their backstories, I don't see why Sam Wilson/The Falcon and his numerous friends and relatives should get less. If you want an example, compare this entry with the one for Thor, the other Avenger whose network of friends and extended family is woven into Marvel's continuity. The entry on Thor runs far longer than the one on The Falcon, but no one's calling for the Thor entry to be shortened.  
Also, addressing just the technical issues this raises: It's easy to cut plot descriptions and character bios down to size if you don't care how much sense they make when you're done. Shortening them without any loss of sense takes considerably more skill. As it stands, the current version of that section is clear and reader-friendly. That's not something you meddle with lightly. A clear if verbose description beats an ineptly shortened one. Unless the person doing the proposed rewrite has real expository writing chops, arbitrarily editing for length has the potential to do more harm than good. [Teresa Nielsen Hayden] 24.193.119.116 (talk) 17:18, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputing the assertion that the "plot description" (actually the character biography) is too long

message: The article claims that the comic book character is the first African-American mainstream character.
However in the article for the Black Panther they make the same claim, viz.;  He is the first black superhero in mainstream American comics, debuting several years before such early African-American
You can't have two firsts in this case. Who's right?
Montalban (talk) 14:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Second this. Black Panther is African.*Trekker (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's first? 

message: The fact is, that Sam Wilson is no longer Falcon, he's Captain America, and it's unlikely he'll be Falcon again. We already know he'll become Captain America again for Marvel's Generations, before anyone says anything about that. Sam Wilson (comics) is a much more suitable title as Falcon (comics) implies Falcon to be Wilson's only identity, when this is clearly not the case.
Nurseline247 (talk) 11:42, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, Nurseline247, your argument is illogical. If titling the article "Falcon (comics)" implies that Falcon is his only identity, then titling it "Sam Wilson (comics)" would imply that Sam Wilson is his only identity, which is equally untrue. We go by WP: COMMONNAME, and it'll take a long, long time with Sam Wilson wearing other costumes before people stop recognizing him as the Falcon.--NukeofEarl (talk) 14:13, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Title : Sam WIlson (comics) 

message: The first appearance of "The Falcon" as a character in Marvel Comics was in "Daring Mystery Comics" #5 (06-1940) and "The Human Torch" #2 (09-1940).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.170.255 (talk) 15:17, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Appearance 

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message: Super Smash Brothers needs to be added. Falcon was a video game character. Skiendog (talk) 14:50, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  pop culture: video game  

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. While there clearly is no concordant consensus here and I understand the supporters’ point of view – in particular their call for consistency and disambiguation – the reasoning of the opposers is more guideline-backed and has the upper hand here. 
As correctly addressed by opposers, when it comes to disambiguation the guidelines stipulate that "titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that" (WP:PRECISION) and  "if a character name has been used by more than one publisher, use the publisher name to disambiguate" (WP:NCCOMICS). The only other fictional character named Falcon, is Falcon (G.I. Joe); however, as mentioned by the RM discourse he is not only a comic book character but also an animated series character and action figure. Furthermore, the Falcon (G.I. Joe) WP article has 25,925 overall views as opposed to this article's 5,938,663 overall views, thus significantly lowering the former’s general notability. If required, a mere hatnote on this article will suffice to avoid ambiguity.
As mentioned by a commentator, of the Marvel Comics male superheroes, 24 are using '(comics)' and 26 '(Marvel Comics)' as disambiguation in their article title. Therefore this RM alone will not considerably add anything when it comes to the consistency of comic characters’ article titles. Also keeping in mind that these were just the article titles of male Marvel characters. 
Some have mentioned that the guidelines have failed here. I object. Policies and guidelines cannot cover everything and circumvent every potential issue. This RM discussion has raised well founded points to which there are no definite answers. I hope this outcome is acceptable and comprehensible for all sides. (non-admin closure)  Colonestarrice (talk) 19:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Falcon (comics) →  – This is the correct title per WP:NCCDAB. It is WP:CONCISE and does not conflict with any other title. It is also consistent with other titles such as Thor (Marvel Comics) and Black Widow (Marvel Comics). I do not see a good reason for ignoring the guidelines here. IronManCap (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: All the examples you listed above are of character names that have been used by more than one publisher. They are disambiguted (Marvel Comics) to differentiate the characters between the publishers, not to indicate the article is about a character rather than a comic. Again, Falcon is the only notable character in comics so further disambigution is unnecessary.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 22:37, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Note to closer: what TriiipleThreat reveals here is a fundamental misunderstanding and/or misapplication of policy/guidelines by nom and presumably much of the Support here. Their !votes weights should be discounted accordingly. —В²C ☎ 16:52, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 June 2021