Talk:Ludwig II of Bavaria

message: Referring to him as "Mad King" Ludwig is isn't NPOV, calling someone a "Mad King" is a perjorative term and I request that it be changed to "Mentally Challenged Person of Royal Birthage as Head of State".
:Sorry, that's what they called him.  Isn't it terrible that people were so politically incorrect in those days? Jayjg (talk) 22:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Mentally Challenged Person of Royal Birthage as Head of State".
the above sounds extremely ridiculous. :-D
Non-substance related addiction and social phobia: http://www.uni-heidelberg.de/press/news/press341_e.html Robocon1 (talk) 09:55, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: "Mad King" Ludwig

message: I've just done some general revision that involved cleaning up some awkward grammar and phrasing, moving or removing sentences that didn't flow properly, fixing some names and Wiki links, and rewriting material that appeared to be plagiarized from other sources.  I've also added a few lines about alternate theories for the cause of Ludwig's death.  I think it's best not to get into too much detail or appear to give more weight to one theory over another, but as his mysterious death is an important part of Ludwig's continuing appeal I think the subject merits mention. CKarnstein 08:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: General Revision and Death Theories

message: The current first line of the section "his death" is "On 10 June 1886, Ludwig was officially declared insane by the government". The relevant question becomes, by which government. By the Bavarian gov't, or by the German Imperial gov't? there are to very divergent possible readings: the Imperials could theoretically have done it to further weaken Bavarian power, whereas the Baviarians could have done it as a last ditch effort to strengthen their own. samwaltz 00:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Bavarian government.  Berlin had no say whatsoever in the Bavarian succession, indeed in Bavarian domestic affairs at all.  Bavaria preserved more autonomy than any other state in the Empire, and Ludwig was not reduced to a British-model figurehead. Part of the problem faced by the Government in 1886 was that the King, who had real executive power, had completely abandoned his governmental duties. Solicitr (talk) 21:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarifying sanity charges

message: Appears he was ahead of his time with his plans for flying cars   and it would be worth including a mention on this (as well as being part of his body of work it also relfects somewhat on the issue of his sanity). (Emperor 16:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Airship pioneer

message: I'm pretty sure that Ludwig's nickname for Elizabeth was "Taube", which is dove in German and not seagull. Unfortunately, I haven't found any evidence of either so far and I can't remember where I heard the information in the first place. 
Does anyone know about this ?
I'm anonymous but you may call me Mark! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.22.11.117 (talk) 02:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They both loved nature and poetry, and nicknamed each other "the Eagle" (Ludwig) and "the Seagull" (Elisabeth). See also the original letters: The Eagle and the Seagull --Dietmar 21:30, 5 June 2007
In all of the books I've read on him, she's always been referred to as the dove.  (Which included the Mad King by Greg King. Narmowen 11:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The link Dietmar refers to appears to be based on one particular time where Elisabeth was at the the North Sea coast, which would explain a temporary (humourous) change to the name. TINYMARK 05:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Elizabeth's Nickname ???

message: The absence of water in the lungs does not prove that someone did not drown (see dry drowning). TINYMARK 23:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: The article states that Otto became King at the onset of Luitpolds regency, three days before the death of the King. That is not right. Otto became Kings as a cosequence of Ludwigs death and Luitpolds regency continued under Otto. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deposed 

message: Perhaps we might want to swap out the current, posthumous lead portrait, which seems almost deliberately calculated to make Ludwig appear maniacal, with the more flattering (but quite accurate by the photographs) coronation portrait:Solicitr (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change lead portrait? 

message: Just a thought-
I see how passionate many are about this article, and didn't want to make any changes (however minor) without bringing it up here. Would this template {Ludwig's buildings} perhaps be best placed under the section 'Ludwig’s castles', or perhaps under 'Buildings'? It just seems that the content in the template has less to do with 'Ludwig and the arts' (its current home section) than the other two. Just an observation, as I am stickler for organization and making articles look as aesthetically pleasing as possible.   :) Ruby2010 (talk) 00:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template suggestion 

message: In a picture Ludwig is called Grand Master of the Knights of St George. Is it meant this order?? (just a curious reader)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.12.97.176 (talk) 15:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knights of St. George 

message: The article mentions a 1879 visit to England and to Wallace. I've read extensively on Ludwig, and NEVER have I found a reference to this trip. To my knowledge, Ludwig did travel: to Austria, to Switzerland and to France; but never to England. The footnote clearly says that this is an unlikely trip and probably a hoax: so why is it in the article?? It should be a footnote at most, if mentioned at all.
Also, in the next paragraph, it is suggested that the tower of Falkestein was based on some church tower in Baldock: I looked up the two towers in question and found NO resemblance whatsoever - and again the footnote suggests this is a hoax. So my question is again: what is this 'fact' doing in the article??
I would only be too interested (and more than a bit surprised) if someone could provide any evidence of this link between England/Wallace and Ludwig! But till that time, I feel the two paragraphs in question should be stricken from the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.209.236.129 (talk) 16:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visit to England? 

message: Note 1 makes no sense:  He was originally named Otto Ludwig and Friedrich Wilhelm was his father, but on 8 Sept. 1845 he was called Ludwig, after his grandfather, who was born on the same day (St Ludwig's Day). 
His father's name was Maximilian.  -  Jack of Oz [Talk] 08:27, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Note 1

message: The following sentence is puzzling for the last clause: "Ludwig was a very strong swimmer in his youth, the water was approximately waist-deep where his body was found, and he had expressed suicidal feelings during the crisis." Is it the case that he expressed no suicidal feelings, and the no has been omitted? Wibennett (talk) 17:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  An omitted "no"? 

message: Much of the article reads like an attempt to defend and rehabilitate the reputation of Ludwig II. This may be a hot topic in Bavaria, but the rest of us just want a neutral assessment of the man and his life. WP articles are not an appropriate place for advocacy. --Ef80 (talk) 01:02, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that Ludwig needs anyone to "defend and rehabilitate" his reputation.  His reputation was and is that of a harmless if extravagant eccentric, not a tyrant or mass-murderer. About the only 'crime' the poor nutter could be accused of would be dereliction of duty. Solicitr (talk) 05:21, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: While not giving equal time to conspiracy theories it should be presented that the family has been asked to exhume the body, more than once, to perform a modern autopsy or tomography. 
To date, the Wittelsbach family has dismissed all murder theories and refused point blank to have the king's body exhumed. The latest attempt to persuade them to change their minds comes from the Berlin historian and author, Peter Glowasz, who wants to employ Swiss scientists to examine the corpse by giving it a computer tomography. He insists that while the procedure would not touch the body, it would show up any gunshot wounds.
24.241.69.99 (talk) 20:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calls to exhume his body for new autopsy or tomography 

message: There are paragraphs throughout the article that do not have any citations. Specifically, in the following sections:
* Childhood and adolescent years (1 para)
* Austro-Prussian War and Franco-Prussian War (1 para)
* Engagement and sexuality (1 para)
* Ludwig as patron
* Ludwig and Wagner (4 paras)
* Ludwig's castles (1 para)
* Neuschwanstein (1 para)
* Linderhof
* Herrenchiemsee
* Later projects (1 para)
* Controversy and struggle for power (2 paras)
* Deposition (2 paras + the quote)
* Mysterious death (3 paras)
* Buildings (2 bullet points + 1 para)
* Ludwig and the arts (2 paras)
* In popular culture (lots of bullet points)
* Ancestry
* Titles and styles
Please do not remove the maintenance tag until these have been resolved. Thanks. —howcheng  {chat} 00:51, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article needs more references 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "Ironically, the very castles which were causing the king's financial ruin have today become extremely profitable tourist attractions for the Bavarian state"
Is this truly irony? Perhaps Ludwig's intention was not specifically to profit from the castles, but his continual building of these projects - as I understand it - was for the long-term gain of Bavaria, disregarding the short-term financial risks. If this is so, then it is not irony, merely an intended result  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewKkh (talk • contribs) 12:55, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy: ironic? 

message: The sentence which reads "His parents intended to name him Otto, but his grandfather insisted that his grandson be named after him, since their common birthday, 25 August, is the feast day of Saint Louis IX of France, patron saint of Bavaria (with "Ludwig" being the German form of "Louis")" needs to be sourced. I thought it was odd that a medieval French king would be made patron saint of a German kingdom, and a cursory bit of digging reveals no references to this fact at all. At least, I couldn't find any. The feast date is correct, though, which makes me think there's something factual here. Definitely some clarification required, though.
Thanks!
170.232.227.242 (talk) 00:09, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim Needs to be Sourced