Talk:Stillwater, Oklahoma

message: I spent some time pruning this, but there's still quite a bit of red-linked (likely non-notable) stuff. Plus most or all of this should be moved to the appropriate sections. The OSU stuff should probably migrate to Oklahoma State University–Stillwater. Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk), who grew up here.
:Added links to notable-seeming redlinks. Deleted a non-notable golf course. Pete Tillman (talk) 02:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia section, aka Items of interest

message: Maybe some people should spend some time expanding and refining this article instead of adding more sports players to the list. Maybe the sports players should be split into their own sublist? Sbmeirow (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: When a notable residents list gets to long in an article, it can be split into a List of people from Stillwater, Oklahoma.  There are many options for dividing that list into categories either with subtitles or a sortable table.  Most lists likely need sources, though, verifying the person is either from or lived in this city.  I tend to not include those who lived there only as students at a college (in this case Oklahoma State) since there is an Alumni list for that, but that's me.  --JonRidinger (talk) 22:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I sorted the 'Notable Residents' by last name, then started moving some people into a new 'Sports' subsection (not sure if proper thing to do, but we can easily merge people back).  I started going through each person and adding their born/death dates, and a mini summary of their professions (including wiki links).  Please spend a little bit of time expanding out some people so we can get this section cleaned up.  Thanks.  Sbmeirow (talk) 04:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the person above, I decided to add a link to 'List of Oklahoma State University people' so duplicates can be removed from this article. Please do so. Sbmeirow (talk) 12:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you'd like an example of one option, see Kent, Ohio#Notable people and List of people from Kent, Ohio.  I prefer the sortable table option, though subheadings work just as well.  Like Stillwater, Kent is home to a large public university with several notable alumni (List of Kent State University alumni).  I list people on both the notable people from a specific city list and the alumni list if they went to the university and then stayed in town (i.e. weren't just there for school).  I'm not sure that is the standard (or if one exists), but it's one possibility to keep lists from getting too large.  In the long run, notable people lists need to end up as prose rather than straight lists, at least within the main article.  --JonRidinger (talk) 18:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I did a little cleanup and tagged for sources as there are none.  I think it would be helpful to remove names that are only associated with Stillwater via Oklahoma State University.  Not being familiar I'm not sure, but people like Bryant Reeves and T. Boone Pickens are probably more appropriate for the OSU alumni list than here unless they lived in and were/are part of Stillwater outside or in addition to the university.  I also removed the birth and death years.  They really aren't needed in a list like this.  --JonRidinger (talk) 18:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

text: On a page like this, i tend to agree with Jon. Would it be inappropriate to delete the OSU-only connections? I've put a call in to the Sheerar Museum to ask their Director for a list of notable residents who actually came from here/impacted the town.Fletcherspears (talk) 21:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: This Is A List Of People Article?

message: I've noticed several large additions being made.  It's good to see some attention being given to the article, but make sure those who are adding content understand the Wikipedia policies of US city article guidelines, reliable sources, neutrality, conflict of interest, and notability.  Also read the policy on external links.  External links should not be included in the body of the article unless they are part of a reference (inside the  and  brackets), which will show up at the bottom of the page.  Having a "see this website for more details" is not appropriate.  Also, any type of "best" or "is known for" statement needs to have a reliable and neutral source (i.e. not a promotional source from the city itself) with it.  Bear in mind that just because something may have a reliable source does not mean it should be included in an encyclopedic article.  The point of city articles is to give readers a general, but thorough, idea about what the city is like, how it came to be, and how it is run, etc.  --JonRidinger (talk) 21:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guidelines and suggestions 

message: Photos on the page are not the best quality, and really there's only one photo of the town (the Downtown picture); the rest are all from campus. The City has a Flickr site with no restrictions on photo sharing (intentional). Could someone who is more experienced perhaps upload a few of them to the page, maybe change the page's picture to something a little nicer? Fletcherspears (talk) 21:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

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Sbmeirow (talk) 09:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important Notes Before Editing This Article 

message: Where in the link from the Sheerar Museum does it reference the information cited in this article about how Stillwater was chosen as the site of OSU?  All I could find on the page was a passing reference to a permanent exhibit called "How Stillwater Won the College".  I'm sure it's referenced at the museum itself, but the current citation does not help the reader to know what the exhibit itself says and if what the article says is true.  Is there a published history (online or not) that could be referenced?  --JonRidinger (talk) 19:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: When you reference a website it is because the website is where the information is.  Providing a link to the museum page means the info is on the webpage.  Museums get their information from somewhere for their exhibits, so find out where so you can reference it here.  For this, I would see if the museum has a book you can reference or a history website that has the info.  I would bet OSU has some of that info on its website somewhere. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies for the delay. The history section has now been rewritten according to the book reference cited. One less thing to worry about! :) Fletcherspears (talk) 21:06, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better source.  I put a "citation needed" tag on the quote from Washington Irving.  Whenever you have a direct quote from a book, it should immediately be followed by a reference.  I'm guessing it comes from the Newsom book, which is referenced in the next paragraph.  If so, just use the citation for that paragraph as well.  Each paragraph should have at least one citation.  I also changed the citation format.  Rather than use "ref name" with the page number, I made each a sepate citation that just uses the "last name, p. XX" format.  This helps keep the same format in the article; it's similar to using "ibid". --JonRidinger (talk) 01:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation question 

message: "...National Standard plant in 1988, World Color Press in 1974..."
I haven't found any verification yet, but memory indicates that National Standard has been in Stillwater much longer than Oberlin/Quebecor/World Color Press.  Perhaps those two dates are swapped in the article?
RatOmeter (talk) 18:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industrial History, dates 

message: The article appears to have matured dramatically and changes noted above have been addressed. It should be rated as Class C, at least. I have made this change. Bruin2 (talk) 17:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article classification

message: The preamble section says that the city government is a council-mayor system, but the Government section says that it is a council-city manager system.
KJBurns (talk) 02:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction in government type 

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