Talk:Ernest J. King

message: Ernest King is one of those historical figures who is revered from a safe distance and disliked up close.  He probably earned both.
Cranston Lamont 23:04, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Commodore was not a rank when King came along, so I deleted the "he was promoted directly to Rear Admiral" passage. Civilians tend to think Commodore is a rank, but it has, in fact, only rarely been an official rank in our Navy.
*Commodore has typically been a temporary wartime rank, used for captains to temporarily assume "flag duties" commanding groups of vessels.Paulmeisel 16:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Naval officers below the rank of Rear Admiral who are in command of more than one ship (like a Captain commanding a destroyer squadron) are sometimes informally referred to as "Commodore". Cranston Lamont 00:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ranks

message: Much of the commentary regarding his wartime decisions is inconsistent with published biographies (most notably Buell's biography which is regarded as definitive). When I can dig a copy out I will revisit. Paulmeisel 16:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues

message: According to Ronald Lewin's "The American Magic", ISBN 0 14 00.6471 0, page 121, paragraph 2, the quote is, 
"He is the most even-tempered man in the Navy. He is always in a rage."  It is attributed to King's daughter! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Antinice (talk • contribs) 06:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This saying is usually applied to General Bedell Smith.  This seems to be a unique application of it to Admiral King.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.252.144 (talk) 22:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "...most even tempered man in the Navy" quote

message: This entire section needs to be deleted and reworked.  Based on information in King's autobiography, Buell's biography of King, and Clay Blair's "Hitler's U-Boat War" almost this entire section is either wrong, or a collection of hearsay and catty diary entries of his antagonists.ElectricJoe 05:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Analysis"

message: I replaced the "Ibid"s in the <ref> tags with a modified Harvard citation approach. Reasoning - if other editors insert citations into the text, "Ibid" may no longer be related to the appropriate reference source.  — ERcheck (talk) 15:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ref formatting

message: The article for William Halsey has his date of rank for Lieutenant J.G. the same as Lieutenant but he underwent the same type of promotion as King.  So, shouldn't one the articles be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.241 (talk) 03:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of Rank

message: I removed the post nominal letters GCB, referring to his honorary status as Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath, from the introduction of this article as Mr. King was not closely associated with the United Kingdom in the sense required by the Manual of Style for biographies.  The full style guidelines for the use of post nominal letters can be viewed here: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Post-nominal_initials. TrufflesTheLamb (talk) 14:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of the Bath

message: Viktor Sergeevich Kurushin(1909-1941)---Ernest  Joseph King (1898-1956): Two photoes.
The Photo from Newsru.com with remarks Reuters
(1)
http://www.newsru.com/pict/big/1259969.html
and words on Russian:
"Фото с линейного эсминосца, корабля, ЕБК "Принц Уэльский",
сделанные во время конференции 14 августf 1941 года
во время встречи Рузвельта и Черчилля."''
In my translation from Russian to English, shotly:
"Photo, from HMS "Prince of Wales", 14th August 1941"
--- Here is a photo, where might be Ernest Joseph King, sitting since on the time of the Chirh service here on the board of the NHS Prince Of Wales (Prince Wales)
(Another photo 2 - or as the photo 1 in this artickle about the some event, but Admiral Ernest Joseph King, USN, was standing up already, on the another day of the meeting of the Roosvelt and Cherchull, which was from the american military navy archive, to this article about the Admiral Ernest Joseph King
(2)
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h67000/h67209.jpg
 
I remark photo (2) as a photo (A) as it is a chart about Ernest J. King here, for a politness.
*You do not need to vizit the Hisory Navy Military archive to look at this number A or Number 2 photo- I prefer to write a letter A, as it would be more polite here.
So, we have photoes, as about the some events, with the some people, some place, and one is photo A, and another is photo 1 here.
As it would more polite here, I had rename the Photo 1 to Photo B.
So, We had photos as Photo A and Photo B now, two photoes about the some event, on the some place, with the some people, the some time.
I will show all again, as it would more easy here< to start to understand about what I try to say.
We had here photo A - sorry it is not American-this is British resource, probably-
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h67000/h67209.jpg
 
whch is presented in this article as a photo C, or photo A, as it is as a Main, so, I remark photo C
(which is a similar to photo A, as downladed from the military navy archive)
Photo C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prince_of_Wales-5.jpg
[]
- a rename this photo C, similar to photo A as The Photo I ("The Number One")
The some photo it is possible to look and in the Russian web-side
http://www.calend.ru/event/3023/
[http://www.calend.ru/event/3023/
] with a remark here on Russian "Франклин Рузвельт и Уинстон Черчилль на борту британского линкора «Принц Уэльский»"
"Franklin Roosvelt and Winston Churhill are ont boad of the British lincorn HMS Prince of Wales
So, we may found names and surnames of people on this historical photo:
The original photo is here:
Photo #: NH 67209
Atlantic Charter Conference, 10-12 August 1941'''''
Conference leaders during Church services on the after deck of HMS Prince of Wales, in Placentia Bay, Newfoundland. 
President Franklin D. Roosevelt (left) and Prime Minister Winston Churchill are seated in the foreground.
Standing directly behind them are Admiral Ernest J. King, USN; 
General George C. Marshall, U.S. Army; 
General Sir John Dill, British Army; 
Admiral Harold R. Stark, USN; and 
Admiral Sir Dudley Pound, RN.
At far left is 
Harry Hopkins, talking with W. Averell Harriman.
* Donation of Vice Admiral Harry Sanders, USN(Retired), 1969. 
U.S. Naval History and Heritage Command Photograph.''
from page
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/uk/uksh-p/pow12.htm
-photo A and The Photo I, Photo 2, Photo B, The Photo C, the Photo D are the some,
where Admiral Ernest J.King was standing.
and we have only the Photo 1 here, which I had mention as The First on this artickle
"Viktor Sergeevich Kurushin(1909-1941)---Ernest  Joseph King (1898-1956): Two photoes."
So, We had The First Photo and The Photo One here.
So, it was the explanation about the numbers of photoes onle
The First Photo is where Admiral Ernest Joseph King was sitting
The Photo One is where a some undefinated person, whom may be, probable, be named as Admiral Ernest J. King, was sitting.
But I am тще sure about this, as this person, on this The First Photo (1) is looking like Viktor Sergeevich Kurushin (Виктор Сергеевич Курушин) (birth 1909, Saratov, Russia - was killed, died, burried at (30th June 1941 | 30th July 1941 | 2nd August 1941), by the diffrent archive paper from the Russian Military and other archves
See 
Архивы России - погибшие и пропавшие без вести:
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/
"Курушин Виктор Сергеевич" , 1909 -1941
His wife - "Курушина Нина Степановна" ("Nina Stepanovna Kurushina" or "Kurushiba Nina Stepenovna"), arcodng the Russian Archive.
I had not found the open resource in the Internet, to download the original photoes, which I had saw privatly.
So, I may mention only my personal opinion, as I had a possibility to look at these photoes,
on the some photoes they both, Kurushin Viktor Stepanovich(1909-1941) and Ernest Joseph King (1898-1956) both had been looked liked as the some one person.
There were being plenty photo with was a similarity in their both look.
But I had found one where it was defenetly diffrent people.
So, I decided: yes, it is a similatiry in their both look.
But there are 2 diffrent personality and people, probably.
It was a mark... as it was a broken chess from a bomb explosive, so he was unlucky to be near with this explosive, damaging himself till the dieth.
Nina Stepanovna Kurushina, his widows, had a daughter from his, one from their 3 daughters, whom had survived.
She had  still 2 daugters. But she never had married again for another man, living the memory and the love, as about the best kind person and man, whom she will see for all her life. 
She had died in her 77th years old, 25th May 1992, in Novosibirsk, Russia.
V.S.Kurushin, Kurushin V.S. had died on his 31-32 y.o.
Edward Joseph King had died on this 77th year of his life. 
I would be glad to think, that Kurushin V.S. had not died at 1941, but still was alive
It is so hard, if a life so short, as it was in the WWII time for plenty people.
I had founded The First Photo from the 14th August 1941 with the explanation of name of a people n the boad.
Only the Photo Number One in the British Military Navy Arcive had saved their names and surnames, and still not for all.
So, this versia may have a point to be, through this.
Winderrainer (talk) 22:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Two photoes: Viktor Sergeevich Kurushin(1909-1941)---Ernest  Joseph King (1898-1956): Two Photoes.

message: Ernest Joseph King (1898-1956): Two photoes.
The Photo from Newsru.com with remarks Reuters
(1)
http://www.newsru.com/pict/big/1259969.html
and words on Russian:
"Фото с линейного эсминосца, корабля, ЕБК "Принц Уэльский",
сделанные во время конференции 14 август 1941 года
во время встречи Рузвельта и Черчилля."''
In my translation from Russian to English, shotly:
"Photo, from HMS "Prince of Wales", made on 14th August 1941"
--- Here is a photo, where might be Ernest Joseph King, sitting since on the time of the Chirh service here on the board of the NHS Prince Of Wales (Prince Wales)
I have marked this photo (1) as The First Photo
(Another photo 2 - or as the photo 1 in this artickle about the some event, but Admiral Ernest Joseph King, USN, was standing up already, on the another day of the meeting of the Roosvelt and Cherchull, which was from the american military navy archive, to this article about the Admiral Ernest Joseph King
(2)
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h67000/h67209.jpg
 
I remark photo (2) as a photo (A) and as The Photo Number One
The Photo Number One
Photo #: NH 67209
Atlantic Charter Conference, 10-12 August 1941'''''
Conference leaders during Church services on the after deck of HMS Prince of Wales, in Placentia Bay, Newfoundland. 
President Franklin D. Roosevelt (left) and Prime Minister Winston Churchill are seated in the foreground.
Standing directly behind them are Admiral Ernest J. King, USN; 
General George C. Marshall, U.S. Army; 
General Sir John Dill, British Army; 
Admiral Harold R. Stark, USN; and 
Admiral Sir Dudley Pound, RN.
At far left is 
Harry Hopkins, talking with W. Averell Harriman.
* Donation of Vice Admiral Harry Sanders, USN(Retired), 1969. 
U.S. Naval History and Heritage Command Photograph.''
from page
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/uk/uksh-p/pow12.htm
The some Photo Number One is here
Photo C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prince_of_Wales-5.jpg
[]
- a rename this photo C, similar to photo A as The Photo I ("The Number One")
The some photo it is possible to look and in the Russian web-side
http://www.calend.ru/event/3023/
[http://www.calend.ru/event/3023/
] with a remark here on Russian "Франклин Рузвельт и Уинстон Черчилль на борту британского линкора «Принц Уэльский»"
"Franklin Roosvelt and Winston Churhill are ont boad of the British lincorn HMS Prince of Wales
So, we may found names and surnames of people on this historical photo:
The original photo is here:
Photo #: NH 67209
Atlantic Charter Conference, 10-12 August 1941'''''
Conference leaders during Church services on the after deck of HMS Prince of Wales, in Placentia Bay, Newfoundland. 
President Franklin D. Roosevelt (left) and Prime Minister Winston Churchill are seated in the foreground.
Standing directly behind them are Admiral Ernest J. King, USN; 
General George C. Marshall, U.S. Army; 
General Sir John Dill, British Army; 
Admiral Harold R. Stark, USN; and 
Admiral Sir Dudley Pound, RN.
At far left is Harry Hopkins, talking with W. Averell Harriman.
* Donation of Vice Admiral Harry Sanders, USN(Retired), 1969. 
U.S. Naval History and Heritage Command Photograph.''
from page
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/uk/uksh-p/pow12.htm
-photo A and The Photo I, Photo 2, Photo B, The Photo C, the Photo D are the some,
where Admiral Ernest J.King was standing.
The First Photo is where the undefinated person, whom may be probably to be Admiral Ernest Joseph King was sitting
The Photo One is where a some undefinated person, whom may be, probable, be named as Admiral Ernest J. King, was standing.
The question is : 
is the person on the First Photo and The Photo Number One is the some, Admiral Ernest J. King, Ernest Joseph King?
Winderrainer (talk) 22:47, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ernest Joseph King (1898-1956): Two photoes

message: Reference:  Clay Blair's "Hitler's U-Boat War" volumes 1 and 2
1939 - As a member of the General Board, King advocates beginning construction of destroyer escorts (DEs); President Roosevelt refuses, instead approving a pet project to employ yachts and harbor craft and to build hundreds of PC and SC class submarine chasers after conflict begins.  Only one yacht, one SC craft and two PC craft were involved in submarine sinkings while DEs became highly prevalent submarine killers.
late November 41 - As CinCLant and prior to U.S. entry into WW2 King proposes convoying ships between Norfolk, New York and Boston.
7 December 41 - US enters WW2, King is CinCLant; CNO is Admiral Stark.
18 December 41 - The Germans sortie to begin Operation Drumbeat.
20 December 41 - King, then CinCLant, detached and ordered to WDC.
23 December 41 - Allied "Arcadia" Conference, King in attendance.  Conference establishes Allied priorities including the higher importance of troop convoys and certain special convoys to support the U.K. in the Middle East and North Atlantic cargo convoys over U.S. coastal convoys.
30 December 41 - King relieves Kimmel as CinC U.S. Fleet.
January 42 - Allies lose the ability to read German codes; simultaneously German intelligence breaks Allied Naval Cypher #3.
January 42 - King suspends delivery of PBYs to U.K. to make up heavy casualties in this type at Pearl Harbor.
early January 42 - Three battleships and seven DD ordered to Pacific, depleting available convoy escorts.
14 January 42 - King's Chief of the Bureau of Avionics, RAdm Towers requests 400 4-engine and 900 2-engine aircraft in the U.S. production schedule for ASW; USAAF chief Gen. Arnold refuses the request.
22 January 42 - King orders 1st Convoy Conference and establishes 10-escort East Coast coastal convoy cadre.
24 January 42 - King orders his CinCLant, VAdm Ingersol, to make LantFleet aircraft available to Eastern Sea Frontier commander RAdm Andrews and directs that Ingersol's ASW patrolling operations "should not unduly interfere with scheduled operations of Atlantic Fleet aircraft, especially those on convoy escort."
1 February 42 - GILBERTS/MARSHALLS CARRIER RAID
7 February 42 - The nucleus of the ASW Operational Research Group (ASWORG) is formed by King's CinCLant, VAdm Ingersol.
10 February 42 - Necessary escort for higher priority troop convoy AT-12 consumes DDs from East Coast escort cadre intended to escort coastal convoys.
12 February 42 - King demands a convoy plan from Eastern Sea Frontier, RAdm Andrews.
12 February 42 - "Channel Dash" by German heavy ships reinforces Allied perception of the need for a heavy covering force to prevent a sortie by German battleship Tirpitz, which consumes American DDs that could otherwise escort convoys.
17 February 42 - U.S. Navy lets contract for mass production of centimetric wavelength radar for ASW purposes, one of many British innovations readily adopted by the U.S.N..
18 Feburary 42 - Two U.S. DDs run aground, further depleting available escorts.
March 42 - King resumes delivery of PBYs to U.K. having made good the Pearl Harbor losses and immediate Pacific needs.
24 February 42 - CARRIER RAID ON WAKE ISLAND
27 February-1 March 42 - BATTLE OF THE JAVA SEA and BATTLE OF SUNDA STRAIT
4 March 42 - CARRIER RAID ON MARCUS ISLAND
10 March 42 - CARRIER RAID ON LAE AND SALAMAUA
12 March 42 - King relieves Stark as C.N.O.; retains concurrent CinC U.S. Fleet role, thus ending divided responsibility at the top tier of the U.S. Naval hierarchy.
12 March 42 - One carrier and two light cruisers needed in the Pacific are escorted by four DDs, further depleting available escorts.
12 March 42 - The first of 24 U.K. ASW trawlers accepted by King arrives in NYC, late, in bad condition, requiring voyage repairs and unready for immediate use.
16 March 42 - President Roosevelt responds to Prime Minister Churchill's questioning on the ASW issues by pointing out that 1) the U.S. is propping up the Mid-Ocean Escort Force; 2) The Royal Canadian Navy's weakness in numbers has forced the U.S.N. to take up another 300 nm of the North Atlantic convoy route; 3) The U.S.N. will shortly be sending a task force to Scapa Flow because of the 12 February "Channel Dash;" 4) Britsh ASW trawlers that are just arriving require voyage repairs.
17 March 42 - One DD rammed by carrier, further depleting available escorts.
20 March 42 - King orders coastal convoys initiated "at once" even though "escort will for a time be meagre;" CinCLant Ingersol replies that already assigned higher priority tasks established at Allied Arcadia conference and due for execution in April will adversely impact convoy escort availability.  So-called "Bucket Brigade" Convoys begin.
25 March 42 - In response to the 12 February "Channel Dash" one carrier, one battleship, two heavy cruisers and six DD dispatched to Scapa Flow to operate with Royal Navy, further depleting available escorts.
26 March 42 - USAAF Gen. Arnold finally surrenders operational control 1st Bomber Command to Eastern Sea Frontier for the purposes of ASW; Arnold still views this force as doing temporary duty that detracts from what he feels is its primary duty:  training crews for strategic bombing.
late March 42 - King approves inter-locking convoy plan.
31-March to 18 April 42 - DOOLITTLE RAID
early April 42 - Nightly harboring of coastal merchant traffic commences.
9 April 42 - BATAAN FALLS
6-17 April 42 - A British and U.S. Intelligence information exchange agreement is finally concluded.
20 April 42 - CARRIER REINFORCEMENT OF MALTA FIGHTER COMMAND
20-26 April 42 - Visiting British Admiral Pound feels snubbed when King suddenly leaves during this period for a conference with Adm. Nimitz; said conference was necessary and set in motion the subsequent Battle of the Coral Sea.
22 April to 10 May 42 - CARRIER REINFORCEMENT OF MIDDLE EAST AIR FORCE
1-17 May 42 - Convoy routes between Key West and Norfolk; Halifax and Boston; Halifax and the Caribbean; and Trinidad and Aruba commence operating.
4 May 42 - CARRIER RAID ON TULAGI
6 May 42 - FALL OF CORREGIDOR
7-8 May 42 - BATTLE OF THE CORAL SEA
9 May 42 - SECOND CARRIER REINFORCEMENT OF MALTA FIGHTER COMMAND
mid-May 42 - U.S. Government obtains legal authority to order coastal blackouts resisted to this time by local municipal authorities.
20 May 42 - U.S. Secretary of War Stimson orders Gen. Arnold to realign 1st Bomber Command's mission to ASW over Arnold's objection.
24 May 42 - One carrier, one battleship, one escort carrier, one heavy cruiser, one light cruiser and six DD shifted to the Pacific, further depleting available escorts.
4-7 June 42 - BATTLE OF MIDWAY
21 June 42 - King memo in reply to Gen. Marshall's questioning on the ASW issue describes convoy as "the only way" to control the U-Boats and points out that the U.S. Army could help the situation by reducing unnecessary troop movements in the Western Hemisphere, reducing unscheduled sailings of Army controlled shipping and using established convoys.  Quoting King after 4 March and no later than this date:  "Escort is not just one way of handling the submarine menace it is the only way that gives any promise of success.  The so-called hunting and patrol operations have time and again proved futile."
21-27 June 42 - Allied "Argonaut" Conference; a memo from Roosevelt to King makes mention of convoy routes already in place.
1-19 July 42 - SECOND CARRIER REINFORCEMENT OF MIDDLE EAST AIR FORCE
August 42 - Drumbeat ends.
December 42 - Allies break 4-rotor Naval Enigma and regain access to German codes.
The above more than extinguishes the claims that King was unresponsive to the U-Boat threat; unwilling to accept British aid; unwilling to establish convoys; or overly focused on the Pacific during a period when his Asiatic Fleet was being hunted to destruction, his Pacific Fleet was conducting five raids and fighting two pivotal battles, and his Atlantic Fleet was conducting four reinforcement missions and escorting numerous troops convoys--without loss--and "Winston Special" convoys specifically at the behest of the British.
The charge that the US possessed adequate escorts and King misused them is patently false and also proven to be false in Blair's two-volume opus previously cited.  At war's start the Atlantic Fleet possessed 92 destroyers, no destroyer escorts (proposed two years prior by King and refused by Roosevelt), and less than 10 patrol craft and submarine chasers (types advocated by Roosevelt in place of DEs; PCs alone consumed 40,000 men and sank only 2 submarines, SCs consume over 10,000 men and sank only one submarine, and requisitioned yachts sank only 1 submarine--claims that SCs, PCs and PFs sank 67 submarines are blatantly incorrect).  SCs did not begin to launch in numbers until January 42; PCs did not begin to launch in numbers until March 42; both types required shake down cruises and training before being useful as escorts.
Of the 92 destroyers available at the war's outbreak:
An average of 14 were in yard hands for necessary repairs at any one time.
Another 14 were tied up with troop convoys WS-12X and TC-19, as well as TF 19 at Scapa all in support of BRITAIN.
Another 11 escorted 1 CV, 3 BB, and 2 CL urgently needed by the embattled Pacific Fleet which was endeavoring to keep open the supply line to two BRITISH Dominions (Australia and New Zealand) and protect those Dominions adequately to prevent said Dominions from demanding the withdrawal of their ground forces from the BRITISH Middle Eastern Army.
Another 30 were assigned to North Atlantic Convoy duty in support of BRITAIN.
Another 21 were providing escort to Atlantic fleet ships.
This leaves exactly 2 destroyers available to escort coastal convoys at the outbreak of the war.
As rapidly as destroyers were commissioned they were added to the Atlantic fleet for convoy escort.
It should not be forgotten that President Roosevelt had previously transferred 50 destroyers to Britain, destroyers which constituted the U.S.N.'s reserve that would normally have been used to escort convoys.  President Roosevelt made no special provision to replace these ships beyond that already provided by Congress's naval construction appropriations drafted by Representative Vinson, the fruits of which would join the fleet after hostilities broke out.
The British contributed to the delays in initiating an effective defense against convoys by squabbling over control of the ASW effort, squabbling over sharing intelligence information, and starving the RCAN of assets and training until late in 1941.
Various British (and American) writers have claimed there were 51 available destroyers for the US coastal convoys at the war's outbreak, and assertion that can only be arrived at by counting the 30 already assigned to the North Atlantic run, and the 21 assigned to protect the Atlantic Fleet's ships, assignments that made them patently UNavailable to protect coastal convoys.
Various British (and American) writers have claimed these supposedly missing 51 destroyers were siphoned off to the Pacific; the 11 destroyers actually sent to the Pacific are already accounted for and the desperate situation in the Pacific demanded their transfer.
Various British (and American) writers have claimed the USN resisted absorbing RN lessons learned on convoys, and therefor were slow to implement them.  This is the reverse of the truth; the USN resistance to employing unescorted convoys was based on the negative experience of the RN with such convoys in the summer and fall of 1940.
Operation Drumbeat was launched by the sortie of five submarines on 18 December 1941, before King assumed either the CinCUSF or CNO roles.  It was fully developed before King took over as CNO.  It ended within five months of King assuming complete control of the USN.  King implemented coastal convoys within 8 days of assuming the role of CNO.  Drumbeat peaked in April, and the U-Boats effectiveness began to diminish within two months of King assuming the role of CNO.
In is not coincidental that King's institution of coastal convoys in March coincided with SC craft finally completing training and becoming available and Arnold being forced to surrender control of 1st Bomber Command to the ESF; and that the process accelerated as PC craft finally completed training and became available in May along with refitted British trawlers and Arnold was forced to finally realign 1st Bomber Command's mission to ASW.  This was also the time the US Government obtained the legal right to force municipalities to extinguish coastal lighting.  King fought many rounds with Arnold and Marshall to get the aircraft and aircraft production needed for effective ASW, things that Arnold consistently resisted.  Final control of ASW aircraft by the Navy did not come until 1943, again through King's tireless efforts and over Arnold's objection.
Almost the entire image of King's character and policy in this article and others is derived from five quotations which are uniformly taken out of context and/or attributed to the wrong people.  These include his daughter's humorous and hyperbolic observation of his temper; the remark attributed to Roosevelt but actually made by another person of King's shaving with a blowtorch; Stilwell's actually sympathetic remark about how much the ascerbic Alanbrooke goaded King which included Stilwell's wish that King had hit Alanbrooke; Eisenhower's petty diary quotation suggesting killing King would help the war effort; and King's own quotation about logistics after a conversation with Marshall which is generally misused to imply King knew nothing of logistics--in fact the Navy had studied logistics at the War College for decades and King's remark was a sarcastic observation to an aide after Marshall tactlessly lectured King on the issue.
British allegations of "Anglophobia" derive primarily from the fact that King saw right through their intention to grab everything they could from the Americans and their attempt to do as they pleased with that materiel.  Although Marshall and Eisenhower also resisted these efforts to a degree, King was consistent in spotting where the British demanded more than they needed, left assets idle that were better employed elsewhere, or sought to pull the focus of the war off of American aims and onto their own.  The two chief American aims were to invade the continent and Europe and come to grips with Nazi Germany first and foremost, and to defeat Japan in the Pacific.  When King saw the British had no intention of going ahead with a cross-Channel invasion in either 1942 or 1943, he rightly discerned that assets earmarked and/or left idle for those purposes would be better employed elsewhere to meet U.S. aims.  One cannot entirely blame the British for looking out for their own interests, but if we grant the British this courtesy, then we can in no way blame King for looking out for American interests.
Descriptions of meetings and conversations make clear that personalities such as Alanbrooke and Cunningham were every bit as stiff and standoffish with King as he was accused of being with them.  Pound's dislike for King was founded entirely on his own personal pique when King quite clearly had more important things on his plate than entertaining a dignitary; the war in the Pacific and American interests there, and King's world-wide responsibilities did not stop for Pound's convenience.  The attitude adopted toward King's view of the British is that denying the British anything at all constituted hatred of all things British and obstruction of the war effort, a position utterly and deliberately blind to the British manipulations in their own interest or to the fact the American and British interests in the war were not entirely identical.  Signed Electic Joe.
Clay Blair's "Hitler's U-Boat War" should be an essential and extensively referenced part of this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.207.109.109 (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  well there was a lot of naval history King was in charge of  -- S E Morison wrote 13 volumes on the topic, and there are good bios of King. Blair was a submariner himself and thought the war was all about subs.  As for the article it is fully referenced to very good sourced, including 11 citations to King's own memoir--is that not enough? Historians highly recommend Thomas B. Buell,  Master of Sea Power: A Biography of Fleet Admiral Ernest J. King. (1995). -- he had better access to the records than did Blair. Rjensen (talk) 08:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The Record on King versus the ASW war MUST be corrected in this article

message: Small thing. Could someone clarify the segment in brackets?
When General Marshall resisted this line of action (as well as who would command the operation),
Regards to all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.157.244 (talk) 13:50, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really sure what's unclear. Marshall didn't like the idea of a Guadalcanal invasion, not King's proposed choice of CO (presumably Nimitz rather than MacArthur, tho I can't say offhand). Anything else not clear?  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 03:20, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Unclear half-sentence

message: Both styles--with and without hyphen--are used in this article. Either style can be correct, but consistency should be followed. I would recommend no hyphen. Milesnfowler (talk) 17:14, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  vice-admiral versus vice admiral