Talk:VAN method

message: 128.112.22.28 was me.
Ulixes 23:59, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

message: Currently all of the "references" (full citations) seem to be setup in cite templates, but in each individual footnote. I am thinking of pulling them all out and putting them in a real "References" section (not just a spot for ) because this is easier.  But there are some other complications, like then I would have to put short cites in the text/notes.  Comments? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I propose removing the "primary sources" tag that asks for secondary or tertiary sources to be added. The statement is true, but the reality is that essentially there are no secondary or tertiary sources on this topic (Wikipedia leads the pack!) except for the Mary Lazaridou-Varotsos book, which is seriously COI. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:29, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur.  I stuck many of these primary sources in here.  I don't know of any secondary sources in English.  There may be some in Greek or Japanese.Daniel Helman (talk) 22:34, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And the original tagger didn't stick around to justify the tag. Okay, I'm taking it out, and anyone that objects should suggest what other sources to use. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 18:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Primary sources" tag. 

message: I have tagged the article as non-neutral. A series of edits on 6 May (starting ) from an IP address geolocated to the University of Athens (home of VAN) generally blunted or removed criticism, while adding comments that these have been "refuted by VAN" (etc.). The general trend is to soften or remove criticism, and promote the views of VAN. I rolled back those edits, but they were largely restored by 77.69.86.91 (geolocated to an Athens suburb). The same IP did a similar series of edits about VAN at Earthquake prediction, which I have discussed in detail at Talk:Earthquake prediction#Re 195.134.89.153's VAN edits. (S/he also tagged the section on the VAN predictions with neutrality, but has not provided any discussion.)
Hard to say what should be done, as this article really needs a deep review, and revision. But no where near the top of my priorities. If anyone with some familiarity with the field (and access to a good university library) wants a challenging summer project, this would be a good time to speak up. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is where someone should have protected the article from neutrality, and did not. We would better respect scientific publications, in a scientific article, and do not bring own conclusions inside or let them exist. Scientific criticism is answered with scientific publications, not in talk pages of our encyclopedia. Please point to the neutrality issues in the article, moving the tag there to protect the reader, or add scientific criticism that is not mentioned to balance the article.--77.69.86.91 (talk) 06:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

text: I agree that the edits to the "criticism of VAN" section were non-neutral, and I have reverted the section to the state from 6 May, before the IP edits. In the case of a WP:FRINGE topic, which this definitely is, advocates are not entitled to give their responses to the criticism from mainstream point of view. JerryRussell (talk) 20:36, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality of recent edits questioned 

message: In the end of the third paragraph of the lead section, Papadopoulos' complaint is stated there as a final word, although it has been answered in the same issue. The following phrase should be added:
*Uyeda, Seiya; Kamogawa, Masashi (2010). "Reply to Comment on "The Prediction of Two Large Earthquakes in Greece"". Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union. 91 (18): 163–163. doi:10.1029/2010EO180004. ISSN 2324-9250.
If no objection is expressed, I will update the article.--EyeCont (talk) 07:41, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing rebuttal ( Lead section paragraph 3 ) 

message: The following content is suggested to be added to the third paragraph of the section: "Predictive success":
The above contains the exact excerpt from the encyclopedia. I feel should be reproduced in the article, as it answers an open question. The rest of the citations are:
* Donges, J.F.; Schleussner, C.-F.; Siegmund, J.F.; Donner, R.V. (2016), "Event coincidence analysis for quantifying statistical interrelationships between event time series", The European Physical Journal Special Topics, 225 (3): 471–487, arXiv:1508.03534, doi:10.1140/epjst/e2015-50233-y, ISSN 1951-6401
* Fawcett, Tom (2006-06-01), "An introduction to ROC analysis", Pattern Recognition Letters, ROC Analysis in Pattern Recognition, 27 (8): 861–874, doi:10.1016/j.patrec.2005.10.010, ISSN 0167-8655
* Sarlis, Nicholas V. (2018), "Statistical Significance of Earth's Electric and Magnetic Field Variations Preceding Earthquakes in Greece and Japan Revisited", Entropy, 20 (8): 561, Bibcode:2018Entrp..20..561S, doi:10.3390/e20080561
If no objection is expressed, I will update the article.--EyeCont (talk) 08:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work update ( section "Predictive success" ) 

message: The last sentence which reads  should be deleted, because such a claim does not exist in page 195 of Hough 2010 as cited. If no objection is expressed, I will update the article.--EyeCont (talk) 08:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of unsourced content ( section: "Proposed SES propagation mechanism" ) 

message: A literature update is missing at the end of the section:
* Varotsos, P. A.; Sarlis, N. V.; Skordas, E. S. (2003a), "Long-range correlations in the electric signals that precede rupture: Further investigations", Physical Review E, 67 (2): 021109, Bibcode:2003PhRvE..67b1109V, doi:10.1103/PhysRevE.67.021109, PMID 12636655
* Varotsos, P. A.; Sarlis, N. V.; Skordas, E. S. (2003b), "Attempt to distinguish electric signals of a dichotomous nature", Physical Review E, 68 (3): 031106, Bibcode:2003PhRvE..68c1106V, doi:10.1103/PhysRevE.68.031106, PMID 14524749
* Christopoulos, Stavros-Richard G.; Skordas, Efthimios S.; Sarlis, Nicholas V. (2020/1), "On the Statistical Significance of the Variability Minima of the Order Parameter of Seismicity by Means of Event Coincidence Analysis", Applied Sciences, 10 (2): 662, doi:10.3390/app10020662
* Varotsos, P. A.; Sarlis, N. V.; Skordas, E. S.; Lazaridou, M. S. (2013-03-18), "Seismic Electric Signals: An additional fact showing their physical interconnection with seismicity", Tectonophysics, 589: 116–125, Bibcode:2013Tectp.589..116V, doi:10.1016/j.tecto.2012.12.020
If no objection is expressed, I will update the article.--EyeCont (talk) 09:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature update ( section "Electromagnetic compatibility issues" ) 

message: Just after the  follows this: , which is cited with Hamada 1993. This is inaccurate and should be replaced with the exact text of Hamada 1993 in order to restore accuracy, as follows: 
* Hamada, K. (August 1993), "Statistical evaluation of the SES predictions issued in Greece: alarm and success rates", Tectonophysics, 224 (1–3): 203–210, Bibcode:1993Tectp.224..203H, doi:10.1016/0040-1951(93)90073-S
If no objection is expressed, I will update the article.--EyeCont (talk) 10:42, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restore accuracy ( section "Public policy" ) 

message: Regarding , although a citation for this excerpt has been asked for, not any citation has been provided for a long time. In order to retain this excerpt, please provide a citation.--EyeCont (talk) 10:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation still needed ( section: "Public policy" )