Talk:Hawn's Mill massacre

message: I added more info and citations for most of the existing info, reorganized into sections, and removed the unreferenced tag.  There are still a couple of statements that need citations. 
The thing is, most of the citations I added come from the same place, an account written by Joseph Young, quoted and referenced by Alvin R. Dyer in "The Refiner's Fire".  I haven't verified this particular reference, I don't know if this is acceptable or not.74s181 00:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New citations

message: Note to editors, this article is about an event in the history of the Latter Day Saint movement, a common history shared by all churches that trace their history back to Joseph Smith, Jr.. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is one of these churches, but it is not the only one.  
The church organized by Joseph Smith, Jr. went thru several name changes prior to his death, and the consensus of the Wikipedia community is to refer to the church he organized and all successor churches as the Latter Day Saint movement, so please do not change occurences of "Latter Day Saint" to "Latter-day Saint", or occurrences of Latter Day Saint movement to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  Thank you. 74s181 12:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latter-day Saint vs Latter Day Saint movement 

message: The massacre is part of the overall Mormon War to evict the Mormons from Missouri and should not be deleted from this article.  The massacre was a big factor in the surrender of Joseph Smith, Jr. shortly after the massacre.  Every single history of the Mormon War in Missouri includes the Haun's Mill massacre.  Americasroof 22:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are actually numerous history books which exclude the massacre despite including the Mormon War, such as Perry McCandless’ 1972 A History of Missouri, Edwin C. McReynold's 1962 Missouri: A History of the Crossroads State, and the 1982 Heritage of Missouri by Duane G. Meyer. Apianostari (talk) 01:12, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Mormon War Template

message: Thanks for the photo of the marker showing the history of Haun's Mill which was shot on Aug 4, 2006.  My overview of the site shot on September 10, 2007 shows a stump where the sign was.  Haun's Mill is out in the middle of a very rural area.  It's a shame it was vandalized.Americasroof 20:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism to Hauns Mill Sign

message: I was skim reading this article today, and overall, it looks pretty good. However, I think that ANY WP article has room for improvement, and so I would like to suggest adding a point that has not been discussed in this article. There was no deliberate disobedience to the counsel of Smith on the part of the settlers. Some historical records show that Smith instructed Haun to move all the people out of the settlement prior to the massacre, or at least tell them that he (Smith) advised that they do so. However, Haun came back from this conversation with Smith and never said word one to the settler's about Smith's counsel. So, if there was ANY disobedience, it was on the part of Haun, NOT the settlers in general. Knowing what I know about the way the early "Saints" felt about "Brother Joseph," I know that most of the Saints who were there would have cleared out from the settlement if Haun had told them that Smith advised that they do so. Haun's choice to not do so deprived THEM of the right to choose for themselves, because as far as the settlers knew, no instruction had been given pertaining to doing anything else other than staying where they were at. As a matter of fact, these same historical records I referred to show that Haun came back from this meeting with Smith and told them to stay where they were, even putting them under covenant to stick together and not leave unless he (Haun) instructed them otherwise. I have verification of these facts for anyone who is interested. For now, though, with the facts as I have just laid them out, I think they perhaps call for a revision of that particular WP section about them. Any thoughts? --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 21:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Settlers weren't deliberately disobedient to Smith's counsel. Haun misled them. 

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message: Is assaulted being used here as a euphemism for "sexually assaulted", or in plain English "raped"? If so, I feel it should be replaced by a clearer term - as a native speaker of British English I'm uncertain about what exactly happened to the women, since "assaulted" could refer to any form of attack.213.127.210.95 (talk) 14:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "many women were assaulted" 

message: Most of the page adheres to the spelling laid out in Alexander L. Baugh 's article Jacob Hawn and the Hawn’s Mill Massacre: Missouri Millwright and Oregon Pioneer. However, the title and the first sentence do not reflect this. I propose that the article's title should be changed from "Haun" to "Hawn" and that the first sentence should be The Hawn’s Mill Massacre (also Haun’s Mill Massacre). The spelling of Haun should only be used if spelled that way in older articles/books, the formal name of art work, if spelled so in direct quotations, and etc.  Apianostari (talk) 01:04, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it matters either way. There's A LOT of literature out there that uses the spelling Haun, so regardless of which spelling is used for the article title, there still needs to be the other as an alternate title and an explanation as to why the two spellings. With that said, if you want to move the article, no objection from me either. Dave (talk) 02:42, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "Haun" would be in parentheses in the title so the two are clearly associated. I agree that there needs to be an explanation. The last sentence in the introduction mentions the spelling variation briefly but vaguely and could be fleshed out or moved to a new section even. Yes, a lot of older literature uses "Haun" and that will always remain, so it is important to leave that as an alternate. Recent literature by Mormon studies scholars seem to have been using "Hawn" though. Apianostari (talk) 17:51, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved the page per the above suggestion and the significant shift to follow the Hawn spelling in more recent literature. I note that the churches today in announcing the transfer of the Kirtland temple, along with other historic sites and artifacts including items associated with the massacre, also used "Hawn".--Michael Snow (talk) 01:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of Hawn's/Haun's Mill massacre