Talk:Brian Cowen

message: Should the article mention the fact that according to the polls Cowen is by far the most unpopular prime minister southern Ireland has ever had? (92.11.105.176 (talk) 14:35, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Any factual and referenced data about Brian '11%' Cowen can go in the Public Image section. Btw, there is no such place as southern ireland and no such office as prime minister of southern Ireland. It's Taoiseach of Ireland to you! Snappy (talk) 19:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Bugger off back to whichever hamlet of england you live in.
Exiledone (talk) 22:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unpopularity 

message: Section I added could be expanded if anyone's got any time.
Exiledone (talk) 22:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meeting with Sean Fitzpatrick 

message: Cowen is facing another vote of no confidence, although it may not be heard until the end of March. (HantersSpade (talk) 17:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motion of no confidence 

message: Do members agree that it should be noted in the opening paragraph of this article that Cowen is also the acting Minister for Foreign Affairs? This is currently disputed. I believe that it should and have edited the article to such a way however that was reversed by user:Snappy. Having tried in the first instance unsuccessfully to settle this dispute with the named user I decided to raise the matter here. In any case the matter will most probably cease to exist by such times as this may be resolved as Cowen is likely to choose a successor shortly.--Ciaran M (talk) 23:58, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already changed it. David Cameron's opening sentence reads very clunkily. I've re-worded the intro so it mentions he is acting MFFA, but mentions his assumption if this role later on in the opening para. I hope this compromise is acceptable. See also Hu Jintao for a different view. Snappy (talk) 00:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New role as Acting Minister for Foreign Affairs 

message: Brian Cowen has just resinged, any thoughts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.2.165.25 (talk) 14:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resignation!  

message: In coming back to edit the article since apparently my declaration to change the end date to 25 Feb wasn't opposed I found that the article was edited to remove the actual dates on the TD summary while I was still on the talk page discussing what should be there  which is why my last comment doesn't make much sense if you look at the history of the various edits .
I'm not sure what that edit was supposed to achieve  since it doesn't stop the infobox knowingly displaying false information namely that he was a TD continuously from June 1984 to February 2011 if we accept he is not currently as of this date , 13 February ,  a TD .
I therefore propose to add the words not continuously to the infobox . Garda40 (talk) 18:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Continuously 

message: Should the golfgate section be moved to fall from power? It did percipitate the motion of confidence.
Exiledone (talk) 13:01, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golfgate 

message: Could you add to article irish name of taoiseach - Brian Ó Comhain?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.191.4.104 (talk) 12:39, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No. See WP:IMOS. Snappy (talk) 13:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  irish name 

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message: I recently removed a number of random comments from the article which appear to be deliberately clipped to promote a POV. "Cowen has undoubtedly found the scale of the invective directed towards him shocking and difficult to deal with, and his appalling communication skills and self-destructive stubbornness have not helped" attributed to Dr. Ferriter was mangled to 'Historian Diarmaid Ferriter described Cowen's "appalling communication skills and self-destructive stubbornness" as inflicting most damage to Fianna Fáil'. This selective editing entirely changes the context resulting in WP:SYNTH at best. RashersTierney (talk) 01:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Reporting of a comment in a national newspaper by an authoritative source is not editing to a particular viewpoint. It is a factual summary of the information cited in Ferriter's opinion piece,  . There is no selective editing, just indicating his opinion, published as a reliable commentator in a mainstream source. The editing describes the essence of Ferriter's opinion. It is not selective, but conclusive and editor  RashersTierney is, by removal of valid commentary in clear breach of NPOV  01:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Reporting of a comment' can be selective, and is in this case as I've shown above. I have no problem with Ferriter's views on Cowen being presented in a balanced way, but that is not the case here. RashersTierney (talk) 11:42, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So edit to improve, a fundamental principle is not to strike down edits that are factual, but  edit to present your "balanced view" rather than deleting edits that don't conform to your viewpoint.  As you "have no problem with Ferriter's views on Cowen being presented in a balanced way", please do so rather than lazily deleting as your deletions rather than constructive edits are in breach of NPOV   83.70.253.76 (talk) 01:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How is this to be presented in a balanced way? Obviously, there is tonnes of criticism of Cowen but is there someone who said nice things about him? Did someone say he was a good FF leader, communicator, Taoiseach? (Apart from his brother and that fat TD from Laois). Snappy (talk) 18:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: :::::::There is more than sufficient data in mainstream media - much of it well documented - to cite alcoholism as a major factor throughout his political tenure; indeed his life. As delicate as the subject may be, this needs to be clearly addressed. Hanoi Road (talk) 00:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcoholism 

message: Hi @SeoR, I undid your edit to this page's short description, because today I standardised all of the short descriptions of all of Ireland's presidents and Taoisigh to be consistent (except for Éamon de Valera). I chose dates not in brackets (i.e. to say "from 2008 to 2011") because that is what is used for American presidents, which have standardised short descriptions, many of which are Featured Articles. I think internal consistency within Wikipedia is something to aim for. Also I think saying "Irish politician" is redundant when you say Taoiseach. Cheers! Xx78900 (talk) 16:45, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , I was going to carry on partial resets, but then I realised that you had done many, so I thought we should discuss first - thanks for reaching out proactively.  Only thing, I really would suggest that such a change should have been discussed in advance in a broad way, either on the WikiProject Ireland page or on one sample Talk page. That would include agreeing the format (the US presidential model is one, but brackets, for example, are more compact). I do very much believe that "Irish politician" is needed for at least Taoisigh and Tánaisti, as "Taoiseach" or "Tánaiste" on their own are meaningless to most of the world's population / readership, and short descriptions are not supposed to require further lookup work (and are not linked). I suggest further discussion, involving active editors on Irish topics, would be appropriate. SeoR (talk) 17:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I should have checked in! I'll make a post in WikiProject Ireland and I'll ping you in it. I do think that "Irish politician" is still redundant, but perhaps something along the lines of "Taoiseach of Ireland" might be appropriate. We'll see what consensus the WikiProject agrees on, and I'll happily accept whatever the majority there deem appropriate. Having them all consistent with each other was my main concern anyway. Xx78900 (talk) 18:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short Description