Talk:Time travel in fiction

message: I feel that this section of the article is inconsistent with wiki's general vision and scope as it just refers to one piece of mumbo jumbo by some random sci-fi writer who happens to feel that science fiction IS A SUB GENRE of time travel(not the other way around) i don't think it contributes anything to the article, it is just one mans opinion that i have never heard repeated and most of all it is clearly BIASED! WIll remove section soon unless someone objects  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.11.149 (talk) 00:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 23:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time travel as a defining characteristic of science fiction 

message: In the 'Harry Potter' series, time travel is used as an important tool in the plot of the book 'Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban'. But the article makes no mention of this.
Thanks. 59.184.171.78 (talk) 05:36, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Time Travel in Harry Potter 

message: According to Islamic literature Muhammad told his followers that he was awaken by Arch Angle Gabriel who took him for a journey through heavens where he saw hell and heaven. But when he came back, no time has passed and the water that he used for ablution was still flowing and the door nob was still vibrating. He also said that the ride he used had a speed such that "it's first step lands at the distance that your eye can see" 
which is speed of light, as we see with the speed of light. Thought we can add this up in the list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.160.31.21 (talk) 13:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But traveling in one step "the distance that your eye can see" doesn't make sense as the speed of light--it only would if the distance D that "your eye can see" in light-seconds was exactly equal to the time T for "one step" in seconds (since light always travels at a rate of 1 light-second per second). Besides, technically the "distance that your eye can see" is many light-years if you look at the stars (though the author of the passage wouldn't have known that), if you could cross that distance in the same time as it takes to make a single step, you would be traveling much faster than the speed of light. Anyway, aside from the issue of whether this passage anticipates any modern scientific notions (answer: no), it doesn't really seem like time travel, more like time suspension or time compression (the opposite of how time dilation works in the theory of relativity, where if you travel in space at close to the speed of light and return to Earth, much more time will have passed on Earth than for you). Hypnosifl (talk) 18:33, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early stories featuring time travel: Time Travel in Islamic literature 

message: I propose that Temporal war should be merged into a new section on this page under the existing ==Time travel themes== section, and that Time war should also redirect there. A time war is merely the concept of time travel being used by multiple parties (obviously always in a fictional work) attempting to combat each other be attacking one another's history. bd2412 T 12:59, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Especially considering that the article, as it now exists, is essentially nothing more than a overly large quotation from a single author (so large, indeed, that it likely raises copyright issues).  Why not just merge whatever might be appropriate into the main article and then propose this one for deletion?  NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:40, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temporal war merge proposal 

message: Newspaper from the future is another short article focused on a specific time travel theme (in this case, it is an object that has traveled through time, specifically a future newspaper or comparable communication). I would merge it under "themes" here, with a slightly more generic header of "Communication from the future". bd2412 T 15:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. This article could eventually cover all the various prominent time-travel themes. Any themes that have more than a couple of parahraphs about them could then be spun out to their own article. It's important to remember that the theme should be notable in and of itself, and not merely a collection of notable works with the theme. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 16:42, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newspaper from the future merge proposal 

message: User:BD2412  A brief comment as to why I removed the lengthy Nahin quote -- As I noted above, I do believe that the length of the quote raises copyright issues.  I see from your edit summary that you don't agree, but a reading of WP:COPYQUOTE suggests that your position is not as strong as you think it is.  Be that as it may, there is also the fact that much of this block quote consists of Nahin quoting the works of others.  It's difficult to see how this quoting-of-quotes is necessary for the article.  But perhaps you'll disagree with that, as well.  Two minor comments -- First, the main thrust of Nahin's writing on time wars is that, even if one accepts the premise of time travel, the notion of a time war is illogical.  That seems to me to be the thing that really should be quoted.  Second, describing Nahin as being "noted for ... " is just asking for someone to amble by and drop a "by whom?" template on it.  I won't be the one to do that, but someone else might.  And considering that Nahin already has his own article, the description seems unnecessary.  If you care to respond to these various comments, I'll be interested in hearing your views on them.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 00:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Under Harper & Row v. Nation Enterprises, two paragraphs out of a 600+ page work, which are of no greater significance to the work than any other two paragraphs to be found there, being used for our educational purpose, would not come close to raising copyright concerns. I would agree that there are many more points that Nahin makes (in several of his books on time travel) that would benefit this article as a whole. He has an entire book, Time Travel: A Writer's Guide to the Real Science of Plausible Time Travel, giving writer's advice on how to use time travel without too badly misrepresenting what physics allows. As an aside, we have an article on Nahin at all because I wrote one, after observing the large number of his works that are used in Wikipedia as references in various fields. The qualifier about his being a writer on time travel I added in response to your edit summary, which seemed to suggest that it was just a "quote from mathematician", who was therefore implied not to have anything of interest to say on the subject of time travel in fiction. I have adjusted that description a bit. As for the block consisting of Nahin quoting the works of others, we could of course make our own compilation of such quotes to the same effect, by why bother when this one is available? bd2412 T 01:51, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lengthy quote from Nahin (Time Wars section) 

message: Putting this out as a notice, after extensive cleanup the article is again degenerating into a list. When giving an example, describe (using reliable sources) why that particular example is important other than just being an example. Bright☀ 14:53, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: . Before, the section named eight examples without explaining why any of them are important, except calling one a "classic". After, the section explains (though without citations and very briefly, but still...) why the examples matter. Bright☀ 15:59, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-degenaration into a list 

message: I added a reference for "El anacronópete" (1887) for being the first mechanical device for time travel in Science Fiction, but it was erased. Apparently, the world only speaks English, and all the other cultures and languages must be ignored...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.46.36 (talk) 10:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, if you look at what actually happened, you changed a sentence from its original meaning and didn't provide a reference. Bright☀ 19:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  El anacronópete - Enrique Gaspar y Rimbau 

message: Can someone please put an end to the edit warring by certain IP addresses that has been occurring on the time travel in fiction article ever since I edited the article on the 24th of March in 2018 at 3:17 pm (AEDT) which involved removing extra spaces and replacing capital letters in certain templates with lower-case letters, as soon as possible? After an IP user added the extra spaces back and replaced the lower-case letters back with capital letters for the third time, I clicked the 'undo' button on his or her edit and explained in the edit summary that I "reverted continuous format changes by different IP addresses", and since then certain IP users have changed the formatting three more times, for a total of six edits, because it's annoying. -- PK2 (talk) 11:30, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:EW|Edit warring]] by certain [[WP:IP|IP addresses]] on the [[time travel in fiction]] article 

message: WP:SIDEBAR says it should be top right, not in the see also section. Not that concerned myself. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 09:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the Spatial anomalies in fiction sidebar should be a navbar in that case. I'll expand it. Bright☀ 10:02, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not sure about that. The location of this sidebar is important on the articles it was primarily designed for. But less so on tangentially related articles such as this one. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 10:40, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm making a navbar and then editors can choose which one to use. Bright☀ 10:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good.  — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 12:28, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of the sidebar 

message: and anyone else who has an opinion..  and  were removed as "self-published sources".  It is true that they are crowdsourced lists, but I've found them to be reliable. And as they are simply pointing to self-documenting sources, they seem acceptable to me in this case. At the very least, I'd put them in with a tag that a better source is needed, rather than dropping them completely? -- Beland (talk) 19:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Tvtropes is not be used, as detailed on RSN. You could use  or something to tag them if you really wanted to put them back in. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 19:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  tvtropes.com as source 

message: The article on Time Travel mentions Rip Van Winkle under "History of the time travel concept", yet the story is conspicuously missing from this article. Would it be considered a "Time Slip" or is suspended animation based time travel a separate category (or missing subsection)? 
Similarly, what about something like Encino Man? I would argue that it meets the standard of "Time Slip" since the title character doesn't have control over it and can't return back to their time.
Is this article too heavy on Time Travel fiction that is distinctly science fiction? Crazytonyi (talk) 07:14, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rip Van Winkle? Encino Man? 

message: An IP added: "One of the first examples in Western literature about a travel to the past is found in the twelfth tale in Don Juan Manuel's Tales of Count Lucanor (1331-1335), under the title What Happened to a Dean of Santiago de Compostela and Don Yllán, the Grand Master of Toledo", which was removed as unsourced. I have no knowledge of the story, but someone might want to see if it has been discussed in a source for this purpose. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tales of Count Lucanor]]