Talk:Green Bay East High School

message: I made an edit which added a small note about the 2018 meeting of the East-West rivalry being the highest-scoring game in the history of the 100+ year rivalry. Editor  disagrees that this should be in the article for no other reason than that he doesn't like it. I asked him to provide a rationale from the article guidelines (because I couldn't discern any from reading them) that justified removing the content but was met with a gruff rebuke. I contend that this information isn't out of scope and isn't original research. It's a notable event in the context of the rivalry. By no means does it absolutely need to be in the article, but there's no reason it can't be either, in my opinion. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 03:09, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, it is up to you to defend your desire to include the content, not up to me to prove I could remove it.....so have at it. John from Idegon (talk) 03:12, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have. Multiple times. It's included as a notable event (highest scoring game in 100+ years) in the context of the rivalry, not just an indiscriminate addition of high school sports results. If it were any other game I wouldn't even bother arguing, but I still contend that it's worth at least a mention, especially because a reliable source makes the same notation. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 03:18, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems appropriate to include, if reliably sourced. MPS1992 (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: School article guidelines tell us not to include individual game results. Generally, we do not include the score or the team defeated for state championship achievement, an event that obtains wide coverage. What more does a reader know about the school by knowing they really pounded their arch rival this year? I'm sure there were times when the other team trounced this school too, bringing WP:NPOV in to play. And I'll guarantee you there will be sources for that too. If the rivalry itself was notable, you could list the results and the highlights of every game, in its article. It's not. There are only three possible results for a football game- win lose draw. The score is of no relevance. The subject of this article is the school, not the rivalry. The argument that this particular score should be included because it relates to a minor non notable but encyclopedic subtopic in the article is a RECENTist red herring. And BTW, the fact that it is sourced is a huge red herring. Any unsourced content may be removed at any time. John from Idegon (talk) 09:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Locally, it garnered a ton of attention. It’s the most popular rivalry within the area and considering that East and West traditionally have had pretty evenly-matched teams, even simultaneously moving conferences a few years ago, this came as a shock. I think it should be included because it’s something kids use to define their school - like it or not, high school football is how people judge schools in the area. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 11:26, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

text:  I think it's also worth noting that WP:SCH/AG doesn't, in my interpretation, actually say not to include sports results. The closest guideline I could find is "Comparisons of sports results, exam results, etc. between schools which introduces rivalry [should not be included], unless third-party reliable sources themselves make such comparisons; otherwise this is a form of original research." This clearly doesn't apply in this argument, as the source noted the same thing I claim, that the last meeting was the highest-scoring in the 100+ year rivalry history (I also disagree that the rivalry is not notable, as a book was written on it, but that's another argument). If John bothered to read the source, he would know that no team even reached 60 points in any previous year, so the claim of the information violating NPOV is baseless. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 01:41, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  East/West Record Score