Talk:Muhamed Haneef

message: the exact charge has often been reported as "recklessly, but not intentionally" provided assistance (see e.g. http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/terror-suspect-doctor-given-bail/2007/07/14/1183833812030.html).
The exact charge that AFP Commissioner Mick Keelty has detailed is s 102.7(2) of the Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth). It explains that the giving of aid itself has to be intentional, which seems to contradict many of the newspaper reports. The "reckless" word appears only in relation to whether the accused is aware that the organisation he has given support/resources is a terrorist organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.35.10 (talk) 07:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: change to wording of the charge regarding reckless and intentional.  

message: http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skilled-workers/sbs/
There seems not to be a page for this at WP.I'd add the link if I knew how..Feroshki 02:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 457 visa

message: The Australian.com.au released on line July 10 the interview with police.  It was leaked by his attorney.  This interview seems to be unavailable on line now.  I am assuming it is not the documents related to the court's determination on visa cancelation.  Is this locateable?Kyle Andrew Brown 13:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Interview released

message: The latest news is that the government wants him deported ASAP to contain potential fallout. I would guess they are offering to drop the charges in exchange for him agreeing to drop his appeal against the visa cancellation although this isn't clear from the source. Or perhaps they're hoping he'd give up on the appeal rather then spend time in Villawood. I presume he can't actually be deported while his visa cancellation appeal is ongoing right?  Nil Einne 06:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he can. He just can't come back. BrianFG 13:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Government trying to deport Haneef to save face 

message: I am not sure the accusations are actually false. The issue is that they are thoroughly absurd in a truly Kakfa-esque way.
So, for example, it is true that he gave his SIM card to his second cousin. What is absurd is characterizing this act as recklessly rendering support to a terrorist organization. 
124.168.33.136 13:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one, not even Mohamed Haneef has AFAIK ever denied he gave the SIM card to relatives. However there have been many allegations that have either been proven or appear false including the claim it was found in the burning car, allegations he lived with the alleged perpetrators and a variety of other claims. Also, whatever the reasons the Australian police accused him of recklessly rendering support, it's still a false accusation even if some of the details are true and part of the problem is their tortured/insane reasoning. Think of this another way. If you're accused of murder and it turns out you did kill the person but it wasn't murder, the accusation of murder is false no matter how or why it was arrived at Nil Einne 06:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: No, the accusations were always false. You cannot claim an accusation which is false was EVER not false whatever assumptions or information was used to arrive at the accusations. If I accuse your of murder and you didn't murder anyone then that's a false accusation regardless of the reason I accused your of murder. For an accusation to be false, it means the person did not do what you accused them of. It doesn't mean an accusation did not exist. Clearly Mohamed Haneef was accused at one time of reckless providing support. However this accusation now for all intents and purposes appear to be false. The fact that it was ALWAYS false does not mean an accusation did not exist. Nil Einne 23:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  False Accusations 

message: He refused to comment on Haneef's fairness of treatment as he informed media he was simply following anti-terror legislation implemented by the current Liberal government.
I don't like Andrews any more than the next guy, but this seems to be putting words into his mouth. If the sentence is to remain, then I ask that you provide a citation that proves he said it.
58.106.6.113 02:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged Statements By Andrews on 28 July 

message: I heard that this lawyers had hoped he would stay until his hearing. How does his leaving affect the hearing? Nil Einne 23:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visa cancellation hearing 

message: the ABC Radio reported on the w/e that Immigration had paid for an upgrade to business class to keep Dr H away from media. But today's "AUstralian" says, it was a decision by the airline (Thai)to avoid a scrum in the economy section Feroshki 06:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  upgrade to business class

message: Totally irrelivant to this discussion page, but may be of some merit in illustrating popular view on the subject; today in a packed auditorium of 1,500+ students studying public relations / journalism at the University of Western Sydney they were asked whether anyone believes he was involved in terrorism, not a hand went up.  Whether they believe he was victimised.  Every hand was raised.  Get his visa back.  Every hand.  Get an apology.  Every hand. 
I'm looking forward to seeing how this latest alleged 'web chat' thing pans out.  I wonder if it's as solid as the names of known terrorists scrawled into his diary by the federal police?  News Limited have taken the liberty to 'reconstruct' what the conversation MAY have gone like.  And the only sus part about it is the opening line of "They do not know anything about you.  When are you leaving the country?" .. I mean seriously, what the .. ? Jachin 08:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You raise an important point which should be in the article. The media management, or spin, of the case by the government and police. The article does not mention the false claim that Haneef was photographing Gold Coast buildings, collecting intelligence for their later bombing. The AFP later ridiculed the interpretation that this was the purpose of the photos, and yet the photos and that interpretation could have only have been provided by officers of the AFP. The SIM card evidence was mis-described to the media, making it appear stronger than it was. The excerpts from the diary were misleading. The excerpts from Haneef's interrogation were misleading. The excerpts from the chat logs were misleading. In short, there was a lot of old-fashioned "verballing" by the police both to the magistrate and to the media. 150.101.246.227 23:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't the Gold Coast plot mentioned at the bottom of the 'Other allegations' section? I guess it could be expanded.--Lester 23:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: But not so fast, Mr 150.101.246.227! Jachin did not query the photo allegations, so why set up straw men? And it is not enough to simply assert that evidence from Haneef's diary, the interrogation AND the chat logs are ALL "misleading" without telling us why. See my post "What if Haneef is not so innocent" below. Eric155 (talk) 09:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Amusing aside.

message: "Dr Haneef's ensuing detention (the longest without trial in recent Australian history) "
shouldn't that read the longest without charge ? I'm sure just about every case takes more than a few weeks to go to trial!
Bramley 12:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the introduction 

message: Kevin Andrews revealed some of the information about his decision to cancel Haneef's visa:
* http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/andrews-reveals-haneef-details/2007/07/31/1185647893695.html
There is a follow up story from Haneef's lawyer:
* http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22167261-1702,00.html
It is interesting to note that Andrews does not say that he made his decision based on the information released today – just that the information now known supports his decision.  Seems a bit fishy ... --James 13:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrews reveals some details on visa cancellation 

message: this article states that dr mhamed haneef was arrested on july 2 and released on july 27. why then does it also state that haneef was detained for 12 days. doesnt the period between july 2 ans 27 add up to 25 days? how long was he detained??????? 203.221.68.174 22:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was detained for 12 days WITHOUT CHARGE, the charges were brought against him after this, and the rest of the period he was detained until 27th is considered "valid"..--124.171.83.231 23:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  how long? 

message: Just reading through this article, one thing missing is a section / title about Political Fallout. Apart from the obvious ramifications to the Government in opinion polls, there is also the stance of other parties. Some Labor left politicians have been heavily criticised for supporting Howard on this issue (Reference). I'd like to see how the stance was of the major parties, eg Liberal, Labor, Greens, Democrats. I think it would be an interesting and important section. 203.158.43.178 05:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There should be a section called 'Political Fallout' 

message: The use of the word 'leak' to describe the release of the AFP interview transcript is pejorative.  The chairman of the Queensland Law Society commented "To describe this information as a leak is to completely misdescribe it." 'Leak' suggests the release was illegal, or unethical - it appears the release was neither, therefore I suggest the more neutral term 'release' be used instead.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/19/1982169.htm
Just wanted to add my opinion as to how biased this WP article is.  It seems nearly every entry is written in a style that supports Dr Haneef.  It is really an insult to the neutrality of WP.  People have an obligation to present the facts, and all the facts, not just selecting the ones that support their view.  It does not matter which side you believe is correct, the point is to present an article with complete and correct facts in a neutral and unbiased manner.
Safe your opinion for yourself. Wiki is not a place to express your gibberish. Besides, this article is neutral enough. 203.49.196.163 00:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above is a very good example of why people should sign. Either the above is one person with at least two (split) personalities or it's 2 or more people arguing something but not signing so it's not clear who's saying what Nil Einne 17:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the word 'leak' pejorative 

message: I've amended the words "residence detention visa" as there is no such visa.  The correct term is Residence Determination under s197AB Migration Act.  The person is still in detention (under s189 Migration Act) but is permitted to have their place of detention determined to be a particular place in the community.  This is another power that can only be exercised by the Minister personally.
I'm not clear on how to link from wiki to external links.  Should I link to the legislation?
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/ActCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/6E4ED401C9760993CA257368007DE74A
Do I cite it as a reference?
In no sense nonsense 21:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Detention visa? ...and linking to legislation

message: More evidence has emerged regarding the Haneef case.  Someone might want to add it to the article. John Dalton (talk) 10:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Evidence 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "Haneef related to UK terror suspects" :
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thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: I am not sure if I read the article properly but I could not see where it said that he is innocent or guilty. Based on my knowledge of media coverage there was intense media speculation in mid 2007 against this guy and the media tried to portray him as guilty. Then suddenly the media coverage, strangely faded and totally disappeared out of headlines. I do not know what happened after that. I think lots of politics was involved.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyz887 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has he been found or proven guilty? 

message: As mentioned in the article various translated transcripts have been released, and maybe presented to the courts,
of material in the Urdu language. Now, I'm wondering if there's any evidence that Haneef knows the Urdu language.
The language is not widely spoken in southern India. Have the original "Urdu" transcripts also been released? Does
anyone other than the Australian authorities think they are really Urdu, or that the "translations" are correct?
This detail just sounds so odd, that some backup or explanation seems necessary. 198.142.5.241 (talk) 03:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urdu? 

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