Talk:On Kawara

message: User Kawaraexpert has attempted to insert improperly sourced changes into the article and has begun edit warring. They appear to be affiliated with the One Million Years Foundation, linking the website for that organization as a source. I've tried explaining what a reliable source is but they keep reverting to the problem version. They are also inserting incorrect for formatting into the article and other issues. As for the date of death, most sources have it listed as July 10, 2014. If there is any compelling evidence to the contrary, Kawaraexpert is welcome to discuss it here. The One Million Years Foundation was founded by On Kawara and as such cannot be seen as a reliable, independent source. Likewise, if Kawaraexpert is affiliated with the foundation they need to declare their conflict of interest, and whether or not they are being paid to edit. Please present all suggested changes on the talk page and cease edit warring. freshacconci (✉) 15:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempted changes 

message: With gratitude to user Freshacconci for explaining everything so thoroughly, no further attempts will be made to directly edit this page. The charge of "edit warring" seems unnecessary and hostile, particularly as the edits made were intended to correct misinformation based on a newly available and reliable source, and other established and reliable sources, such as the Guggenheim Museum, which hosted Kawara's 2015 career survey exhibition. Regarding formatting as relates to artworks, no changes made were "incorrect," as Freshacconci charges. Please be assured that any future efforts to edit this page will be submitted through suggested changes on the talk page. kawaraexpert (✉) 15:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize if my tone was hostile. That wasn't my intent but I do see how it could be interpreted that way. "Edit warring" is a term used here and I realize Wikipedia shorthand is jarring to newcomers. If you read WP:Edit warring it refers to rapid reverting, and no editor, novice or experienced, is permitted to revert the same thing more than 3 times. Per WP:BRD we are encouraged to discuss disputed changes on the article talk page. One confusing policy of Wikipedia that is difficult to convey is the concept of WP:Verifiability, not truth. In short, it means that even if you know something to be true, we can only use reliable, published, secondary sources to make changes. It can be cumbersome, but we need to be able to verify information. Obviously, a foundation started by On Kawara would be accurate about information, however most reliable sources give his date of death as July 10. That certainly could very well be incorrect but unless a reliable source is available that is not affiliated with the Kawara estate, we can't really change it. It may seem trivial, particularly for someone who is diseased but it is a major issue for living persons who wish to change an article about themselves to suit some kind of publicity strategy (such as changing a birth date to make them appear younger; this has happened and we can only go by what has been published, not by what they insist to be true). You can also look as WP:MOS which is the style manual regarding formatting the article. Please do not refrain from editing the mainpage. My intent was not to keep you from editing. But we do need proper sources to change a date and the language in the article needs to remain neutral and non-promotional. freshacconci (✉) 15:57, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
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