Talk:Kris Humphries

message: Ok, Kris has indicated that he is going to seek annulment of his marraige rather than a divorce.  While one can get marraiges annulled, this is more common in Catholic circles.  In the Catholic Church, you cannot get remarried if you get a divorce, but if you can get it annulled, then you can.  With that in mind, does anybody know if Kris is Catholic?---Balloonman Poppa Balloon 19:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks... I couldn't find anything about his religious beliefs (but I'll be honest, I didn't look too hard).---Balloonman Poppa Balloon 02:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic 

message: Could someone please update the article to reflect the most recent information?
--76.6.32.32 (talk) 01:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: like? Chensiyuan (talk) 06:49, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article update needed 

message: Father's name is William Duane Humphries and mother is Debra Jean Lemke, his fullname is Kristopher Nathan Humphries, his older sister is Kaela Nicole Humphries (born 1983)
71.230.108.110 (talk) 03:35, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please request edits to protected pages only when you've specified what exact text needs to be replaced, what the exact replacement is, and why the change needs to be made. --Bryce (talk | contribs) 06:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 31 December 2011 

message: aaaaaaaaaaaaa  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.53.177.85 (talk) 21:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kris Kardashian 

message: His mother's surname is Lemke, hinting a German ancestry?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.81.68 (talk) 03:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother's surname 

message: Can someone update his page? He was traded to the Celtics.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaitheciocan (talk • contribs) 11:38, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The trade has not officially happened yet. It can't happen until July 10, because of salary cap issues. Zagalejo^^^ 17:26, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traded to Celtics 

message: I have removed :Category:African-American basketball players. There was nothing in the article to indicate that he identifies or is identified as African-American. All we know is that his father is African-American - but his mother is white, so he could just as well be described as a "white" basketball player. In fact, it's better not to categorise him by ethnicity unless we can find a reliable source describing him as such. StAnselm (talk) 02:36, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I stated here, we don't solely go by personal identification for "race"/ethnicity categories. It's also good to look and see how reliable sources choose to define that aspect of him. Even if Humphries personally identified as white, I doubt this site would identify him as such. The one-drop rule is strong. There's also his appearance, which many readers and editors would view as ambiguous. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:21, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the need for us to follow the one-drop rule here. It's defunct and it was never used in other countries. StAnselm (talk) 05:32, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Per my arguments here, I'm not arguing that we follow the one-drop rule. My point is that it is still quite prevalent socially here in the United States, and is also based on looks as much as it is DNA. In fact, it's based more so on looks, given the "passing" and "non-passing" aspects that exist. And the social prevalence of it is seen in the fact that Humphries simply calling himself black and him being "half black" would be enough for us to put him in the African American categories, while Humphries calling himself white would not be enough to put him in white categories. All one needs to do is look around Wikipedia to know that. But it's not like we have "White American" categories anyway. What we do have is :Category:White Americans, and we can see how that is used. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Whatever is decided, he can be placed in :Category:American people of African descent. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I'm reluctant to have a one-sided categorisation. Do we know about his descent from his mother's side (apart from "white")? StAnselm (talk) 05:32, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: How is placing him in the "American people of African descent" category any different than placing Meghan Markle or Jennifer Beals there? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Oh, I see that you mean we at least have the ancestry background for both parents of the other two, and Humphries would solely be in the "of African descent" category. I still don't see it as an issue. But although the Early years section indicates that his mother is white, it is not explicitly clear on that. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's what I meant. I see now that Beals didn't have any other descent categories, but the article has a sourced statement that her mother is Irish-American, so I have just added it. Say, is there a place we can have a centralised discussion on categorisation of biracial people? I thought I'd try editing Humphries and Beals and see if the edits stuck, but there are a few other people in this situation. StAnselm (talk) 06:34, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Before you made this edit, she actually was already in the "American people of Irish descent" category. Now she's there twice. You just need to remove the second addition, of course. As for a centralized discussion on the categorization of biracial people, yes, we can discuss that at Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality. And to get more people involved, we can leave notes about it at Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people, Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:19, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Also, what do you mean by "there are a few other people in this situation"? You mean celebrities? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right - celebrities. User:Julia mentioned Halsey (singer), Jessica Szohr, Rashida Jones, and Maya Rudolph. I'm happy to post the discussion; do you think it should propose a specific statement in a guideline? StAnselm (talk) 08:46, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I started an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality#RfC on categorizing biracial people. StAnselm (talk) 04:28, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I know of other biracial celebrities who are categorized as black. In many cases, those celebrities identify as black or both biracial and black. I will comment in the RfC, but will first alert the pages I mentioned above. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:36, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done. StAnselm (talk) 04:38, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I also think that the WP:Biography page should contacted. Also remember that "biracial" doesn't solely apply to people "mixed" with black and white. The same can apply to people who are part Asian and white and are categorized as Asian, for example. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:40, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that was my thought in having a broader heading. I might add the words "for example". StAnselm (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  African-American?