Talk:Freddie Mercury/Archive 2

message: Holy F***!==
Why are you trying to add the names of five students to an encyclopedia article? Talk about trivial factoids. That is worse than the Japanese legacy thing that was finally removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.44.85 (talk • contribs) 
Alright one: Stop bitching. Two: Sign your things so I know who you are. use the four tildas. Three: I was using Vandal Fighter. It was a rather major edit that deleted a lot of information. I thought that it looked suspicious so I reverted it. Four: Your not god. This is a democratic experiment of sorts, so lets put it too a vote. If you win, cool, I really don't care that much. I just figured that an encyclopedia should have as much info as possible. Galactor213 04:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

message: OK, there is nothing wrong with the newly added material. But it is way too long for an encyclopedia article. If you add things, just add a paragraph or something.
:: I agree the new bio can be edited down and cleaned up 136.159.187.178 05:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Section is way too long

message: Folks, this sentence makes no sense: "Freddie Mercury was a British Indian of Persian origin musician." I don't care what you call Freddie Mercury in terms of ethnicity, just make it make sense! To me "British Asian" is the right kind of compromise. It is just plain weird to call Freddie 
Mercury Persian, since the country is now called Iran. Either call him Indian, Iranian or Asian. But don't write sentences like the one quoted above.
::How about we don't say where he is from, the readers can decide for themselves. After reading the whole article Klymen
:He was born of British Indian nationality - i.e. the country whose citizenship he could claim was British India.  There is not, and never was, any such place as British Asia.  On the other hand, if you're talking ethnicity, and presuming British nationality, then Asia's a big place - again India is still more correct.  It is also true that he was of Persian culturual origins by way of his Parsee origins, but again it is more accurate to state specifically that he was of Parsee which implies the Persian link.  Given those simple facts it's not difficult to structure a sentence which is both gramatically correct and accurate.  I'm not going to bother, because I have no doubt a fool with an agenda will just monkey wrench it again.  This page is demonstrating all that's worst about Wikipedia, which is a shame and utterly disrespectful to the man's memory.  Cain Mosni 22:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening Sentence makes no sense!!

message: Freddie Mercury also released two solo albums: Mr Bad Guy (1985) and, with Spanish soprano Montserrat Caballé, Barcelona (1988).
If he performed with someone else (Montserrat Caballé), it isn't a solo, by definition. JRawle (Talk) 22:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solo albums 

message: The article claims that Freddie's highest recorded note was a falsetto "D". 
I'm not sure this is correct: listening to "Seven Seas of Rhye" from Queen II, and examining EMI's published "off the record" transcription, he appears to sing a top A in that one (in "for-ev-ahhhhhhhhhhh!").--feline1 08:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  vocal range 

message: I think all his talents should be highlighted and maybe some audio samples. - Mtmtmt 00:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  talents 

message: I found this on anouther talk page (Talk:Indian rock)
"Mercury's Iranian, not Indian, why's he on here?"
"Do you know what a Parsi is? In medieval times, the Persian empire was invaded by the Arabs and converted to another religion - some Persian Zoroastrians fled to India, where their beliefs would be tolerated entirely. Thus Freddie Mercury's family have lived in India longer than most families can trace their ancestry - they are for all intents and purposes Indian, or Indo-Iranian, or Irano-Indian - go back far enough and anyone can trace their ancestry to another country, but people dont divide the British into Celts and Vikings. The geographic region where generations of a family have lived, what culture they have lived in, etc, are obiously more important than some kind of tenuous ancestral claim. Why did Freddie Mercury favour being called a Persian? Many people speculate it was either Parsi nationalism, or some belief that it was more vogue than being an Indian - he wouldnt be the first person of Indian origin to have some kind of shame in the poor country of his birth. I assume it is because of his own insistance that you believed this, however, his article - Freddie Mercury - make it fairly clear." - Mtmtmt 07:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  found something 

message: I'm certainly new at this, but one thing does come to mind: all photographs of the man contain his "70's image." The statue was a nice touch, but no detail or illustration truly shows the change in hair, dress, build, the mustache, and the alteration of his image in general. --AWF
:I agree and if I knew the first thing about uploading images and getting permission to do so, I would fix it... However I will add it to the Queen wikiproject "To Do" List... Billvoltage 02:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearance

message: :A little known fact is that Freddie Mercury did not succumb to AIDs until after he shaved his powerful mustache. It should also be noted that Ervin "Magic" Johnson grew a Freddie Mercury style mustache shortly after being diagnosed with HIV to combat the disease. This fact can be backed up by Robert "Magic" Jones.
the above paragraph was added in a new edit, but it doesn't really seem valid to me and I think it should be suported by some facts... On the other hand I don't think it matters, and that it was logical that he shaved when he was ill...
if you find this to be important it can be put backDonny 22:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I really have to doubt it's legitimate. Funny, though.--69.145.123.171 23:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  mustache against AIDS? 

message: Leaving random links sloshed everywhere and not converting them into refs is a sure fire way to fail your nomination. I know you didn't nominate it, but if you converted the links it'd probably pass. And perhaps vary the captions. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 11:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: Over the past week, I added references in order to cite all of the sources. Since I was the one who retrieved virtually all of these citations over the past 6 months, I am quite disappointed to see that some editors are attempting to ruin my efforts here. If you cannot make positive contributions to this article, please refrain from making any at all. Even though I actually wrote over 60% of this article, I am tired of having to continuously fight against idiot editors. In fact, the reason why this article is so much better than those for the other three Queen members is that it is the ONLY one that I have been involved with. Please respect the work that I have put into this article and stop what you are doing. In particular, stop reverting my edits, and stop making edits if you do not speak English well. Enough is enough!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.161.159.218 (talk • contribs) .
::Due to your excellent knowledge of English you are certainly able to read the following Wikipedia guidelines: (1a) Wikipedia:Civility, (1b) Wikipedia:No personal attacks, (2a) "Wikipedia's current best practice for numbered footnotes (using .../<reference/> tags) is explained at Wikipedia:Footnotes", (2b) "IMPORTANT: Footnotes using / templates (and their variants) are becoming obsolete: A more up-to-date system uses MediaWiki software ... and  tags ..." (Wikipedia:Footnote3) – Best regards from the "idiot" who improved your references section... Candyfloss 14:13, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ??????????????????????????????????????????? 67.161.159.218, why don't you sign your posts? Candyfloss 17:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ..... - Candyfloss 20:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, I must agree Candyfloss, he should sign his comments. Secondly, I would appreciate it if we would quit calling people names. You also should have proof to back up your statistics (e.g.  the percentiles...) I wish to say that if you calm down, and actually read the wikipedia guidlines for references, you will be able to understand the other user's point of view....Billvoltage 02:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please stop changing the edits to the "Reference" section

message: Is this a real brith certificate? Did it come from freddie's mum?
http://mr-mercury.co.uk/Images/Birthcertificatefreddie.jpg
Anyone know?  (BLM)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.161.159.218 (talk • contribs) .
::Jones, Lesley-Ann. Freddie Mercury. The Definitive Biography. London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1997. - Candyfloss 20:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: is this birth certificate real?

message: Freddie is known for his talents, not for the bad choices he made in his life! He screwed up! It is not the fans fault, so stop calling fans stupid!
:I understand your concern. However, the above remarks (about Queen fans being stupid) were aimed at everyone else (not him, but the rest of us) because we keep editing the page, when he believes that only he should have control of it. Billvoltage 07:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Billvoltage. I think the sence was "you that are here editing are idiots" not "you are idiots to listen to Queen." Or so I understood from the talk earlier. Still is pretty offensive. Donny 15:25, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I DO NOT AGREE!!

message: How are these two sentences related?
"Mercury wrote most of his songs on the piano, often choosing keys which where difficult for the guitar (e.g. E flat major). Brian May has remarked that this necessitated him to employ some difficult fretboard fingerings, and that this contributed to the bands' distinctive guitar sound."
And:
"Although Mercury possessed only rudimentary skills on the guitar, he also wrote many lines and riffs for various songs (e.g. those for "Ogre Battle" and "Bohemian Rhapsody") on guitar. He also wrote "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" on the guitar."
They were both in the same paragraph, but they seem to be two different ideas, competing for front stage. Billvoltage 14:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both sentences relate to how Freddie writes songs.  Mostly he uses the piano, but sometimes he'll use the guitar. ... discospinster talk 15:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related? 

message: This was recently put into an edit summary: "and I.E. means in example. They're the same thing, it just has to be capitalise" which is incorrect. eg doesn't equal ie... they ar different things altogether. IE means id est not in example. Taken from wikipedia as meaning, ""That is (to say)", "in other words", or sometimes "in this case", depending on the context. Never equivalent to exempli gratia (e.g.).
Id est, i.e., "that is", is commonly abbreviated "i.e."; in this usage it is sometimes followed by a comma, depending on style."
EG, however, means Exempli Gratia, which means "for the sake of example" (As taken from wikipedia, "Usually shortened in English to "for example" (see citation signal). Often confused with id est (i.e.).
Exempli gratia, i.e., "for example", is commonly abbreviated "e.g."; in this usage it is sometimes followed by a comma, depending on style."
Also taken from wikipedia as describing the confusion, "↑  Exempli gratia (e.g.) and id est (i.e.) are commonly confused and misused in colloquial English. The former, exempli gratia, means "for example", and is used before giving examples of something ("I have lots of favorite colors, e.g., blue, green, and hot pink"). The latter, id est, means "that is", and is used before clarifying the meaning of something, when elaborating, specifying, or explaining rather than when giving examples ("I have lots of favorite colors, i.e., I can't decide on just one")."
Thus given, these two do not mean the same thing, and as such I am changing it back, as it isn't not giving examples, but elaborating on the "keys which were difficult for the guitar" that freddie chose. Billvoltage 21:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ie vs eg 

message: Folks, who is misspelling the word “millennium” again? The fact is that the actual poll conducted by Channel 4 in England was called the “ Music of the Millennium Poll,” or something along that line. I don’t care that the person who discusses this poll on a private web page spelled it incorrectly. The point is that the name of the poll was the “Music of the Millennium Poll.” There is no justification for misspelling it in the references just because some random person on the internet misspelled it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boab (talk • contribs) .
Well, a quotation should be respected, and should be left as is, or else it's a edited quotation, which doesn't make it a true quotation anymore. 
On the other hand, I see your point. It's after all a typo.
I don't think there can't be a wrong party for this. 
--Manolito Mystiq 10:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is the word “millennium” misspelled yet again?

message: Can we make it an unwritten rule or something that he was not Iranian at all, to prevent further idiotic edits of this article? It has already been established that he was a "British Asian" of Indian Parsi heritage, and yet we still get moronic edits from people who appear to have their own agenda with this article. Craptacular 08:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong, so wrong. Freddie Mercury's parents were Persian, which makes him Persian. I can give you pages upon pages of articles, books and biographies of Freddy Mercury that would support this. The only thing idiotic is trying to prove it otherwise. The only person with an agenda is someone who deletes referenced and confirmed facts not only by experts on the matter but by Freddie Mercury himself. 136.159.16.100 18:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: He was not Iranian!

message: Everyone needs to stop trying to run Wikipedia articles soely based on what they think is right, or appropriate. Saying that the five Hectics band members are unneseccary is just like saying that listing the Queen is. But I'm sure you'll come up with an excuse why it's okay to have one of Freddie's band's but not the other in his article. Stop trying to be a control freak and decide for everyone what's appropriate and what isn't. This is not your encyclopedia. It is a free network and you have no right to be removing other people's verified information just because you personally don't approve of it as an article. Be it for it's legnth, information. or just because you don't want someone meddling with your precious vision of the "Perfect" Freddie Mercury artice. Some people enjoy an article with more information and just because you wouldn't want to read it dosen't mean you have the right to decide for everyone. Let other people have a chance to change the article. Whether or not you deem it ideal in your eyes. Again it's not your encyclopedia and you should not be treating others verified information as a lead weight on your precious article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.173.10.182 (talk • contribs) 
:The only person I know of who seems to be trying to run a wikipedia article by him or herself would be user: 67.161.159.218. This person believes that is up to him or her to make the decisions as to how the article should be maintained. I do not know of anyone else who seems to be doing this. So if you do some proof would be nice, rather than generalizing that everyone visiting this site is in it only for their own gain or for themselves alone. Billvoltage 21:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I could make a suggestion - could users under the age of 20 be banned from editing this page for a while? I think that would stop the edit war immediately.--feline1 22:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I must aggree with Galactor213, for two reasons, I too am under the age of 20, however I do nothing to this page except revert vandalism (when I see it). No person can really set a limit like that, unless it was upon age as reckoned by maturity (but what would be used as the standard? How can one measure such a thing?). I am sorry, but that would not solve the problem (well, it would, but it would also make some more, as some good editors would not be allowed to edit...) I am sorry, but I am not sure how to fix this, unless you know of a way by which we could measure this maturity age... Billvoltage 03:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop trying to run Wikipedia. 

message: Since Persians are not part of the British Asian "label" I dont think it is a proper title for that section of the article. Thus I think Indian and Persian is more descriptive and correct than British Asian. Now I'm not saying Freddie was not British Asian however since that section of the article talks about his Persian background I think British Asian is confusing.  Klymen 05:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know it might sound a bit awkward. That was the main reason I didn't want to merge the two 136.159.16.100 17:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Indian and Persian rock star VS British Asian 

message: Isn't it about time to archive this?? It is, afterall, rather long...Billvoltage 19:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).  The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING(Я) 11:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I love the advice, but I don't know how to do this. I suppose I should have been a little bit more specific, so, let me ask a bit more specifically, Would anyone care to either archive this, or care to teach me how? Billvoltage 01:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Instructions can be found in the how-to guide WP:Archive.  Go for it! ... discospinster talk 17:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive