Talk:Proof by assertion

message: I nearly NPOV tagged my own article; I am a little concerned that the example I give is perhaps inappropriate, since there are those who genuinely believe in a Jewish world conspiracy. --Just zis Guy, you know? 10:46, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

message: I redid the end of the article as it seemed (to me anyways) to imply that user of this fallacy intentionally promotes a lie, this is not always true. Let me give an example: Logically a religious person may continually state that Lazzarus rose from the dead after 6 days because the Bible states it even though a logical argument could be constructed against the plausability of this from a medical standpoint. This does not mean the user does not believe his/her statement to be true. Quadzilla99 04:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor adjustment

message: would politic pointless rhetoric count like "we gotta support our troops" or "we are liberating iraq" in view of all current events--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 01:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: example from iraq

message: http://www.mnforsustain.org/student_logical_fallacies_with_references.htm
A long list of references on logic and argumentation located at the above link. Haven't read them, but if anyone else has, I'd suggest listing them as references so the article doesn't get tagged for deletion. I've also listed the link as an external link, as it does provide a pretty good resource for logical fallacies & such. As well as references. Mgmirkin 17:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, this page doesn't mention the fallacy described in the article.  —Mrwojo (talk) 01:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References?

message: From my understanding, proof by assertion is the same as the bare assertion fallacy, however this article makes this unclear because it seems to be discussing the consequences of an unanswerable argument rather than the form of the argument itself.  —Mrwojo (talk) 01:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We just redirected Bare Assertion Fallacy to Ipse-dixitism, too. I question the validity of this as a fallacy in the same way we did for bare assertion fallacy. I started a new topic on it. GManNickG (talk) 19:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Completely agreed that it should be merged, especially since the title is obviously the same as Ipse dixit, but the content is much closer to proof by repetition aka Ad nauseum (which links to it because of this), for some reason. Foxyshadis(talk) 22:47, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious

message: As Mrwojo points out above, this article is extremely close to the bare assertion fallacy. Moreso, bare assertion fallacy just recently was changed to redirect to ipse-dixitism, because it had no actual authoritative sources to define the fallacy.
And I find the same problem with this one. It has no sources (the external link at the bottom doesn't even have this fallacy in it, as far as I can see; I'll be deleting it.), and doesn't add (anything, really) over other existing, established fallacies. I propose it either redirect to ipse-dixitsm, or merged with it.
For now, I'm smacking an "Unreferenced" template on the page. If the discussion doesn't kick up, I'll propose a merge myself. GManNickG (talk) 19:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Ad lapidem is also quite close.  That seems to be "refutation by assertion" but I'm not entirely convinced that the term is used widely as Wikipedia describes it; it's hard to tell because there are so few sources.  The verifiability of many of the fallacy articles is poor.  —Mrwojo (talk) 16:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[ipse-dixitism]] 

message: I thought it was he that said a lie told often enough becomes the truth?  That is what I was taught in school. Mugginsx (talk) 21:20, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a reliable source to attribute that quote – a source that points to when or where someone said it. Without that it reads like a self-referential joke. —Mrwojo (talk) 22:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Joseph Goebbels]]