Talk:Martyn Lloyd-Jones

message: I feel that the first line "a protestant Christian who headed much of the evangelical movement of the 20th century." doesn't properly describe the Doctor's position within evangelicalism, and I would like to change it. I don't think he would have liked to be described as "heading the evangelical movement"! 
How about something like "protestant Christian minister who was hugely influential in the reformed wing of the British evangelical movement in the 20th century". Any comments? – Agendum 08:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have change it to your wording, as well as doing some further minor editing. The only thing I would query is your use of the word "reformed". Whilst I agree that his influence was primarily in this grouping, I think it would be fair to say that it extended further afield, probably across all of British evangelicalism. I may do some further editing to reflect this unless anyone strongly disagrees. Sidefall 10:25, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of his ministry 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Cleanup would entail converting the references to one style (inline or <ref> tags) and performing some copy editing that I don't have time for right now. POV material consists of quotes like "Lloyd-Jones' preaching style was therfore [sic] set apart by his sound exposition of biblical doctrine and his fire and passion in its delivery." and "Once the primary teaching was revealed, he would then logical [sic] expand this theme..." Mostly the new material is phrased in an NPOV way, but there are a few nits to be picked. --Flex (talk/contribs) 02:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup and NPOV

message: I don't know where the dispute is, but I would like to suggest the following on the section headed "Legacy":
If his relationship to the charismatic movement was "little-discussed" was this perhaps because there was little relationship, or, perhaps, that the relationship was not conscious or overt?
In this section, I cannot but feel that excessive weight has been placed upon limited evidence for ML-J's teaching of the Baptism of the Spirit. I do not reject the claim that he taught this, just the degree of emphasis, or the apparent importance given to it in the bio. It seems to me that it matters far more to the biographer than to ML-J! I have no real problem with the last two paras of this section: it is apparent to me that ML-J was no cessationist, and I can easily see him educating a TV producer on the real-life working of God's Holy Spirit!
My suggestion, then, is that the first two paras should be reviewed and edited to reflect a more realistic (in my view!) priority (ie. lesser, much lesser) with regard to ML-J's views on the Baptism of the Spirit. - DBR  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.38.64.208 (talk) 19:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input. Can I suggest you register on Wikipedia - it makes life easier - and also please sign your comments. I've created a new section here called Legacy and moved your contribution here.  I'm not sure who put the disputed tag on the Legacy section in the article - it possibly refers to such phrases like "Lloyd-Jones' preaching style was therefore set apart by his sound exposition of biblical doctrine" which aren't really NPOV. I do agree that this section could do with more work and would encourage you to have a go. The 1970s were a time of great argument over the charismatic/cessationist question and my (limited) understanding is that MLJ was not a cessationist but his primary constituency was the reformed evangelical community which, by and large, was (and still is) cessationist. Hence he was in an awkward position and tended not to identify with the charismatic movement (which frequently involved ecumenism which MLJ opposed). This whole area remains controversial and the degree of emphasis that should given to MLJs views will involve a degree of personal subjectivity. Please do some editing and hopefully we'll reach a consensus. Sidefall 09:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy

message: An unregistered user has just made some additions which seem of poor quality and possibly POV-pushing, with no sources given. I'm not an expect on MLJ, but in view of the above I'm minded to revert them as they don't improve this article IMO. Any thoughts? Sidefall (talk) 21:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, they should be sourced as they are a bit controversial.Brian0324 (talk) 21:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted them as this article is of good quality and well-sourced, so they're somewhat out of place. If the user who made them reads this, please register so we can easily talk to you and work together on improving Wikipedia. Sidefall (talk) 22:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that the additions were, in fact, accurate, but clearly do need references to back them up. Where you would get those – particularly for the last paragraph – I am not sure. I'll have a look around. Cheers, Bruce – Agendum (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest reading MLJs writings and biographies. Perhaps the additions could be placed here so people know what they are and can try to find sources. I'm afraid I can't help. Sidefall (talk) 23:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 2008 

message: What disputes remain? Shall we remove the tag? Hyper3 (talk) 13:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the tag. Hyper3 (talk) 15:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute tag 

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