Talk:Khecarī mudrā

message: I believe this article can well gel with the article 'Khecharimudra' for which a request was provided —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.122.31.14 (talk • contribs) 
: When two terms have the same meaning, we create a redirect from one term to the other.  I've redirected Khecharimudra to here. — Omegatron 00:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved page with explaination of meaning. Lara_bran 03:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: While adding the correct spelling of the term I noticed that the existing references all lack page numbers, making them very difficult to verify.  To clean this up all of the named references pointing to an entire book need to be replaced with individual references that have page numbers.  If the references cannot be made more specific, they are candidates for removal. Buddhipriya 06:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only inline citations need to be page numbered. removing source may be considered as vandalism. Lara_bran 09:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but you are wrong.  If a reference cannot be verified, it may be removed.  See: WP:V.  Vague references to entire books do not constitute verifiable references.  An appropriate intermediate step when challenging a vague reference would be to add a request for a page number to the vague reference.  If none can be supplied, I would remove the vague reference as unverifiable.  Buddhipriya 20:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with sourcing 

message: I am finding it quite easy to locate more citations to this, and each one gives a slightly enriched understanding of the term in context.  Here is one related to use within the traditions of Kashmir Shaivism.  In the "Glossary of Technical Terms" (p. 242) of Singh, Jaideva (1979), Śiva Sūtras, Motilal Banarsidass, Delhi, , we find three different terms listed:
*": Sub-species of , connected with the , the empirical self;  is one that moves in Kha or the vast expanse of consciousness."
*": The  or group of the  that move in the expanse of consciousness of the empirical subject."
*": The bliss of the vast expanse of spiritual consciousness, also known as  or  (the state of Śivā)." Buddhipriya 06:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks again, Buddhipriya. All of that information really is interesting to someone who practices . I don't know the best way to incorporate all this into the article. You must have a good idea of whose would be the most authoritative interpretation(s). I'm willing to give it a try when I have the time. And I suppose this means we can move the article to ? ॐ Priyanath talk 01:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no plan to do further work on this since the initial question was simply to check the etymology.  The overall impression I get is that the term is used in different senses by different authors.  Regarding the page name, personally I support the use of IAST in article titles, and thus would support  as the name.  However opinions about the use of IAST in article titles vary, and this may be an opportunity to ask a wider group of people what their current thinking is on the issue.  Perhaps some of the other regular editors on Hinduism articles could be consulted. I keep track of some of the IAST-related threads at User:Buddhipriya/IASTUsage, which summarizes my current understanding of policies that pertain to IAST.  I would say that there is no clear prevailing policy on it at the moment, as there are conflicting practices.  In particular see: Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28use_English%29. Buddhipriya 21:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all your help, Buddhipriya. Since  is a technical sanskrit term, I've gone ahead with the bolder approach and moved the page to . ॐ Priyanath talk 01:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:BRD. It is english wikipedia, c instead of ch is not at all acceptable. Also problem that such characters not available on keyboard, so cntr+F does not work. Lara_bran 06:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional citations

message: I looked at the linked book and did not find the info or quote for which it is cited. It's not on page 173, and the search function finds no mention of Kechari Mudra in the book. I looked through the book on a different site and found no supporting material. Can anyone comment? Perception312 (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We have to assume that the editor who added the reference saw it in the book even though we cannot verify it online. I did however correct the reference information.Red Rose 13 (talk) 05:53, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Okay, I saw your edits and corrected the author name, but isn't there still a problem here? I'm not making assumptions about the editor who added it. Mistakes happen. But if we can access the book online, look at the cited page, and see that there is no supporting info, isn't that grounds for removing the source and the material it was supposed to support? Perception312 (talk) 14:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but did you also search the book for the term? Sometimes different editions have different page numbers for the words you are looking for. If you did search the term and the info does not match what is written on the wiki page, then yes we need to remove it.Red Rose 13 (talk) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I searched through the book using search terms like "mudra" and "tongue" and found no mention of the mudra, and I searched for the quote used and found no results. I'm glad we agree. Perception312 (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed verification: Essence of Self-Realization (Kriyananda, Swami)