Talk:John Muir

message: Muir certainly accomplished many great things, which are duely mentioned in this article. I think also worth mentioning iss the fact that he fled to Canada during the US Civil War in order to avoid being drafted. --74.195.63.121 (talk) 05:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you add a source for that? --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 07:41, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I don't think the words 'fled' or 'draft dodger' are quite appropriate. Muir was a brave man, but was also a pacifist Christian. As a relatively recent immigrant into the US, he may also have felt that he had no personal stake in the matter. His brother Daniel had gone to Canada in 1863 (to avoid the draft), and in any case John Muir may have planned to go there long before the Civil war started.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:34F0:C300:21C:B3FF:FEC6:12F7 (talk) 23:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft Dodger... 

message: The article as it stands states that the Indians 'stole his favorite horse.' This implies that John Muir owned a number of horses at the time. In truth he was a young boy on the family farm - where he had a particular affinity with the farm animals - but he did not own them as such. I have added 'boyhood' (as adjective) and: 'off the family farm' - in order to make clear that the horse was not John Muir's at the time but belonged on paper to his father Daniel. "We turned them out one day into the pasture, and an Indian, hiding in the brush that had sprung up after the grass fires had been kept out, managed to catch Nob, tied a rope to her jaw for a bridle, rode her to Green Lake, about thirty or forty miles away, and tried to sell her for fifteen dollars. All our hearts were sore, as if one of the family had been lost. We hunted everywhere and could not at first imagine what had become of her. We discovered her track where the fence was broken down, and, following it for a few miles, made sure the track was Nob's; and a neighbor told us he had seen an Indian riding fast through the woods on a horse that looked like Nob. But we could find no farther trace of her until a month or two after she was lost, and we had given up hope of ever seeing her again. Then we learned that she had been taken from an Indian by a farmer at Green Lake because he saw that she had been shod and had worked in harness. So when the Indian tried to sell her the farmer said: "You are a thief. That is a white man's horse. You stole her."
"No," said the Indian, "I brought her from Prairie du Chien and she has always been mine."
The man, pointing to her feet and the marks of the harness, said: "You are lying. I will take that horse away from you and put her in my pasture, and if you come near it I will set the dogs on you." Then he advertised her. One of our neighbors happened to see the advertisement and brought us the glad news, and great was our rejoicing when father brought her home. That Indian must have treated her with terrible cruelty, for when I was riding her through the pasture several years afterward, looking for another horse that we wanted to catch, as we approached the place where she had been captured she stood stock still gazing through the bushes, fearing the Indian might still be hiding there ready to spring; and she was so excited that she trembled, and her heartbeats were so loud that I could hear them distinctly as I sat on her back, boomp, boomp, boomp, like the drumming of a partridge. So vividly had she remembered her terrible experiences."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:34F0:C300:21C:B3FF:FEC6:12F7 (talk) 05:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this reads better and is sufficiently clear. RivertorchFIREWATER 08:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

text: plainly you want misleading and ambiguous information on Wikpedia. So be it. Against stupidity the gods themselves rage in vain. I am no vandal - simply someone trying to augment and make as clear as possible the situation. Obviously you have some proprietary and fanatic obsession with having the inferior version. Fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.214.31.17 (talk) 02:59, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose you're the same person as was editing behind the earlier IP. If so, I was careful to retain those changes you'd made that I viewed as positive. I never implied that you were a vandal, but I admit I don't believe you're a god. Gods don't change direct quotes or use punctuation at odds with the Manual of Style, and they're usually pretty good at things like indenting and signing their posts. If you'd care to climb down from your perch in Valhalla and lose the attitude, you'd find that I'm always entirely willing to discuss the merits of my edits or anyone else's. RivertorchFIREWATER 04:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  nobilis non tenetur procumbens, I'm afraid. Stick with your obfuscatory nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:34f0:c300:21c:b3ff:fec6:12f7 (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winnebago natives stole Muir's favorite horse off the family farm. 

message: Not sure how one deals with this in Wiki, just noting it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mssgill (talk • contribs) 23:06, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for pointing that out, I fixed it. Luckily the reference had enough detail to find the source. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:22, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link 68 (about Muir's grandson) is defunct 

message: The Story of My Boyhood and Youth, Chapter VIII The World and The University, "MORE INVENTIONS"
Muir invented clocks, barometers, time triggered firestarters, etc. I'm surprised that isn't mentioned in the Wiki page.
--Darius07 (talk) 01:26, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inventor 

message: In "External Links"
John Muir Papers. Provides an overview of the John Muir Papers and related collections held at the University of the Pacific.
The link is broken and redirects to the main page of the Library website. It should go to this URL: https://www.pacific.edu/university-libraries/find/holt-atherton-special-collections/john-muir-papers.html Cheermio (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Thanks! NiciVampireHeart 21:43, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2019 

message: I live on John Muir Highway Barren County KY
Request that info about his travel to Mammoth  Cave and along this road be cited. 
https://muirsouthtrek150.weebly.com/ky-part-iv.html 64.130.186.98 (talk) 00:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2020 

message: Change Cedar Keys to Cedar Key.  The name is not plural. 216.243.52.49 (talk) 19:31, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , Cedar Key indeed looks to be the city where Muir arrived (Cedar Keys the island cluster near the mainland). -- S.Hinakawa (talk) 19:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2020 

message: Hello,
Please, under the "Occupation" section of the John Muir Wikipedia page, consider adding all of "millworker" "racist" and "eugenicist" to the commma-separated list. Based on my research, Muir did not receive money or in-kind contributions for all of the things that are currently listed in this section (Farmer, inventor, naturalist, philosopher, writer, botanist, zoologist, geologist). In fact, during some of his most "productive" years in Yosemite, Muir was "unmarried, often unemployed, with no prospects for a career, and had "periods of anguish,"" (see WIkipedia page, "John Muir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Muir). Please, consider adding these three things I have listed or consider doing the appropriate research to inform and edit what is included under John Muir's "occupation" and therefore how his legacy is defined.
I love John Muir. I have quoted him all of my life. However, I take time to read about all of the things he supported and did in addition so conservation, and it seems most appropriate for his Wikipedia to reflect these things.
Thank you,
Luke
<email removed> CorbiesVT272 (talk) 04:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please also read WP:OR. I've also removed your email address from your message.   Seagull123  Φ  09:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2020 

message: I was hoping to connect this page to a page about the Niagara Escarpment and Muir's connection to the Trout's Hollow lands, which are now conserved in his name - all the roads surrounding the property bear his name. I suspect Muir was the very first geologist to suggest the Canadian Shield was once covered in glaciers. Here are some paragraphs I was working on - all but the last paragraph is summarized from The Bruce Beckons by William Sherwood Fox (first publish 1952, re-published 1962, University of Toronto Press):
In his 20s, John Muir travelled to Ontario to collect botanical specimens - or as he described it - to "go away on a glorious botanical and geological excursion", which was to last over 50 years. Muir was typically reticent about this period of his life, possibly to avoid the imputation that he fled to Canada to avoid service in the American Civil War. In fact, Muir only left for Canada after he received word that his name had not been drawn for service. 
During his time in Ontario, he experienced one of the two "supreme moments" of his life. One was meeting Ralph Waldo Emerson in 1871. The first was finding a Calypso orchid, blooming alone in a Canadian swamp. That swamp was on the Bruce Peninsula, near Meaford, Ontario, where Muir lived and worked between 1864 and 1866. William Trout employed Muir at his rake factory, where Muir became lifelong friends with William Trout's son, Peter Trout. 
Muir worked tirelessly at the Trout Hollow Mill, to improve its manufacturing equipment. He impressed the family greatly by innovating a great many mechanical devices. When he was not working, he felt the pull of the wild and often ventured south to hunt plants and study rocks in the summer months. In the winter months, he compiled his research on botany and geology, and became one of the first naturalists to posit that the Niagara Escarpment had previously been covered in glaciers. 
Towards the end of his time in Canada, Muir became a co-venturer with the Trout family, working "with a furious energy" to double factory output, manufacturing 30,000 broom handles by February 1866. Sadly, on March 1, 1866, a fire at the mill destroyed everything but a wagon and some horses. Except for some drawings and specimens he sent home, Muir's collection of plants was lost. Though the loss was to both parties, Muir's friends paid him a sum to begin a new chapter in Indianapolis.
Muir's stomping ground around Trout's Hollow remains a nature reserve today. Surrounded by streets that bear his name, the land has now been acquired by Escarpment Biosphere Conservancy, a charitable land trust, preserving the land as wilderness in perpetuity, forever. 
[this transaction to EBC is yet to close in February]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SabaBPC (talk • contribs) 19:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection to Canada and Ontario 

message: John Muir Trail in Yosemite Valley should be mentioned and illustrated in the article. 
Indeed, John Muir Trail is essential part of Muir's legacy. 
Added own HD image of John Muir Trail to illustrate Muir's legacy and his love of wild nature. 
Enjoy the beauty of John Muir Trail in Yosemite Valley.
With respect to all wikipedia users, 
Steveshelokhonov 21:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this image. A picture of some rocks and water does not improve the article. MrOllie (talk) 21:24, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[John Muir Trail]] in Yosemite Valley