Talk:Dassault nEUROn

message: The article is in general the nonsense! Just one example: "Until June 2005, the UCAV nEUROn design was a full scale evolution of the twin-engine AVE-C Moyen Duc (2001) tactical UAV whose appearance was inspired by the stealth bomber Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit." B-2 bomber is clean tailess flying wing, based on the Gaussian curves - the principle developed during the Northrop´s Tacit Blue program that is already 30 years old and obsolete. Compared to it nEUROn and also Dassault Grand Duc and its predcessors AVE-C Moyen Duc and AVE-D Petit Duc are completely different designs, based on the diamond and triangular platforms - a very few generic designs used on unmanned stealthy aerial vehicles worldwide. They are not even the flying wings, nor based on gaussian curves or related to B-2!! It is like to say that the cherry was inspired by the tomato, because in general they look the same. This is the similar silly statement, that can be made only by person without at least basic aeronautical and engineering knowledge.
Also I would really like to know, from where Wiki has the unit costs, while the production machines *were not even defined yet*!! The only quazi pre-production prototype was planned Dassault Grand Duc, but it was cancelled already in 2003. nEUROn is only a technology demonstrator, there will be not any serial version of it at all. UCAS for the operational service will be based on the TECHNOLOGIES, not the DEMONSTRATOR, developed during the nEUROn program and is expected to be defined sometime in 2015 - 2020 timeframe. For example Alenia Aeronautica is already planning to use some of the technologies and also some of the experience gained during Sky-X program in its own UCAS design Black Lynx, that is low aspect ratio wing subsonic plane with the two diesel engines and propellers.
And when I read this discussion about that someone was able to write, that this kind of platform with its shape and wings (and propulsion) will be expected to reach Mach 5+...  That is the pure ignorance of the basic laws of physics!
Currently I wrote a large article about the subject (English translation is also available). If anybody wants to corrent this Wiki´s "aerospace fan page", you can also take a look at it at http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/UCAV05.htm It will be online from tomorrow (9. September 2009).
Ing. Matej Furda  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.99.148.39 (talk) 16:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: more than skepticism

message: i just want to  move this article. the real and official spelling is Dassault nEUROn so this temporary "project" spelling ("Dassault Neuron") should be moved to the real one, but 'moving' is disabled as the real spelling article is already used as a redirect. so if anyone here with adminsuperpower could do the right stuff it would be cool. thanks. Shame On You 11:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll get it done. Akradecki 20:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Wait a second...before we go moving it...it this project is so international, it seems that calling it a "Dassault" is a bit inappropriate. How about just nEUROn? (See the usage here Akradecki 21:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: thanks to you i just lost an improtant edit due to an edit conflict provoked by your minor edit. i hate this fucking shit. Shame On You 22:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, sorry you lost the edit, but you might want to watch the language and the personal attacks. You also need to know that I have no way of knowing if you're editing or not, much less if you're working on a minor or major edit. Edit conflicts are tough...it happens to all of us. Something I learned a long time ago: highlight and control+C (shortcut for copying) before hitting the save button, that way you never loose anything. Akradecki 03:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ok forget about the edit, the official name is really "Dassault nEUROn" as Dassault built it and is the chief master on this project (Dassault is also responsible for the overall architectures and design it will be obvious with the upcoming LOGIDUC article). nEUROn is the third vehicle and final phase of the Dassault programme LOGIDUC (the two first vehicles from which nEUROn is derived were developped by Dassault alone). Actually the European partners are only subcontractors, its just like a car, a PC or a video game console, there's the maker and there are a lot of subcontractors who did a special task. This is what happened here. Some Swedish people in forums and editors here tend to make the Dassault nEUROn a Saab project (i've corrected the Swedish wiki) due to the Swedish company's involvment but this only because they don't know about the LOGIDUC programme (most of them also believe Saab alone did stealth UCAVs but they were actually UAVs! this is what happen when personal websites are used as sources). I believe it could be publically presented by the Swedish government as a Swedish-led programme but this is propaganda. This is an European stealth UCAV built by Dassault, this is why the nEUROn full scale model was unveilled at the Dassault stand (by the way the nEUROn project was launched by Dassault in 2003 and Saab only joined it in late 2005 as the 3rd european subcontractors). FYI, Boeing is subcontracted by ~49% of European manufacturers (source: Loïc Tribot la Spière, délégué général du Centre d'étude et de prospective stratégique). If someone can proove the real name is "nEUROn" alone though just show some evidence from official websites. thanks. Shame On You 08:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the background, it makes sense now. I'll get it taken care of. Akradecki 15:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks to NawlinWiki's help. Akradecki 15:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you. Shame On You 15:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: hi, yeah i know i tried to move it but (i did it before but it was not possible). i know about autocaps, i already created the ugly "NEUROn" redirect. Shame On You 19:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: moving page to the real one, ADMIN needed plz!

message: here's the contact mail if anyone is interested to get official infos and data about neuron to add in the article. i would mail them when i get time. Shame On You 19:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: officials contact mail for neuron

message: The first paragraph of the Dassault nEUROn article has the sentence: 
   However Dassault plan to primary use the data collected by the demonstrator to produce derived UCLAs. 
What are the UCLAs mentioned? Obviously, University of California, Los Angeles is not what was meant. 
75.185.66.16 15:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a UCLA? (UCAV?) 

message: ????112.205.186.79 (talk) 04:08, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a true 5th generation jet fighter? 

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