Talk:Bolivian gas conflict

message: please someone updated this article 28 Oct 2020 (UTC)
Im not sure if my edits were redundant or not-- I chopped them down on the second edit.戴眩sv 20:11, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant edits 

message: 2005 Bolivia protests should be merged here. As Wikipedia is not Wikinews, nothing forces us to categorize our pages according to events. Anyway, it is obvious that this Gas War, which has been going on for quite some time, includes the 2005 Bolivia protests. As the problematic remains the same (neoliberal governemnent, refusal from the trade unions and campesinos, led by Evo Morales & Felipe Quispe, of the exportation of the gas without previous processing and distribution in Bolivia), the article should include both. Not merging them means that arguments will be splitted up and repeat themselves on both pages, which would be a mistake. A merge would be lot more useful to people who never heard about a gas conflict in Bolivia, and don't understand what exactly is at stakes. Tazmaniacs 14:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with 2005 Bolivia protests 

message: I saw that "Carajo!" wasn't translated. I find it interesting that someone translated the entire phrase... besides carajo. I'm not thinking that Carajo is too hard to translate. It means "Damn it" to the best of my knowledge. Not really that offensive I do believe. Anyone object to me changing the subtext of the picture so that it has carajo translated?Pvt Mahoney 01:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um... Translation? 

message: I dont believe that a reference to Mariscal Estigarribia Airport belongs in the Santa Cruz autonomy movement section. A reference is usually added to support an assertion made relating to the topic. This fact is just thrown out there. Also "The creation of a US military base" is inaccurate. The military of Paraguay built it in the late 70s and early 80s, its one runway is only 40 meter widelink DR LUIS MARIA ARGANA INTL not 80 wide like the refernce says and because it has only minimal navigational equipment it can only be used during the day. I suppose that this tid bit of info could go in its own section, but it isnt especially connected to Santa Cruz, even more after you click on the link and follow the reference  to find out that there is only going to be 400 soldiers over 2 years in Paraguay with none staying longer than a few weeks and with them being stationed all over. Nor does the link provided "U.S. Military Moves in Paraguay Rattle Regional Relations" even mention Santa Cruz. This seems more an attempt by the US to buck up the military in Paraguay.--Ortloff 08:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where do you get this "10-20" people? Where do you get that it's a "false attribution"? It was all over the Argentinian press... Tazmaniacs 19:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: note that I took into account your mention according to which it should'nt belong in Santa Cruz autonomy movement. Although I could also look for sources why it was included there in the first places... Tazmaniacs 19:37, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US military airport at Mariscal Estigarribia (DR LUIS MARIA ARGANA INTL) 

message: "The Bolivian Gas War was a social conflict in Bolivia". Was? Is. Doidimais Brasil 22:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a tendency to talk in the past tense on Wikipedia. Faz lo k tem que facer! Tazmaniacs 22:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits 

message: I think it is misleading to start a discussion of gas prices by citing a spike in gas prices in 2002 at 12 to 14 dollars /MMBtu  then compare that price to a ninties price Bolivia got at $2/MMBtu. The current price in the US for gas is not in dispute. You can look it up every day. link NYMEX Its what every large buyer in the US pays. ($6-$7/MMBtu) If we were going to choose any price we could choose the price from 1996 link DOE at $2.17. Also, the link I had cited for Bolivia's current price was from Petrobras $3.15 US$ to 3.60/MMBtu. I would think this is more accurate than the LeMonde article since they choose such a self-serving price for the current cost of gas, peak price in California in 2002.
Now, since the agreement was that Petrobras pay half the US price for gas, a good question could be did they pay half the $12 dollars? But I dont see anything on that.
--Ortloff 11:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You lift some good questions and it is nice to have you around. However, be careful with Wikipedia:No Original Research: it is quite interesting of you to point out that Mariscal's airport wouldn't be able to handle B-52, for technical reasons, but that falls under OR. It is better to find some news article or embassy statements, as you did, and add them to the current text (instead of deleting it claiming it's false: you may consider the US embassy a better news source than El Clarin, but that is your POV). Beside, you can of course contest the validity of the gas prices. However, please do not delete sources, even if you don't find them relevant — your opinion is not necessarily shared by everyone. The Californian price was stated in the Le Monde article which is considered as France's newspaper of record: you may think it is misleading, Le Monde apparently doesn't. Beside, I recall you that 2002 was just a year before Goni's fall, that is, in the midst of the Gas War; and the project itself was, as you know, to export the gas through Chile to California, both US and Baja California. SO it is totally relevant. Concerning the question about Petrobras, feel free to improve the article. Just do not delete sources, this is not considered really suitable to Witiquette. Regards, Tazmaniacs 19:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Concerning Le Monde, it is the French equivalent to the NYT more or less, which positions itself between Liberation center-left and Le Figaro conservative newspapers. Its credibility is not in doubt. Now, concerning your points, I understand them. However, have a look at Wikipedia:NOR especially concerning the use of primary sources and you will understand why it would be preferrable for you to look up for a secondary source stating what you are trying to show, instead of relying on primary sources (they are very good reasons for which Wikipedia relies mostly on secondary sources, although everybody knows that we can't always trust the media in particular in some tight, details cases, like that). Tazmaniacs 23:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price of gas  

message: IMHO, this article shoudnt be name War, its a big difference with Falklands War , Cisplatine War  or War of the Pacific.  Its more similar to Argentine energy crisis (2004) or Cellulose plant conflict between Argentina and Uruguay.  Naming its a War, will bring  a bad confusion to the casual reader.-  Jor70 00:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Bolivian name for it is guerra del gas, but I do agree with you in some point. Maybe Bolivian Gas Conflict would be better? Tazmaniacs 04:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe some advice from the people up at Talk:Bolivian Gas War#Name would be due? Tazmaniacs 04:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I strongly suppport move back to Bolivian Gas Conflict, the war statement is highly confusing and led foreign people to think about another war between latin american countries. There are plenty of more examples, Cenepa War, Conflict in the Niger Delta, etc.- Jor70 11:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As nobody objected this in the last 4 months, I suggest move this to Bolivian Gas Conflict Jor70 17:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Support, but maybe it will be more accurate Bolivian gas conflict? Beagel 17:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  you'll have a go Jor70 17:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: As this Wiki page is so well maintained, I wondered if any of you would like to help out with the Goni page at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_S%C3%A1nchez_de_Lozada  
Particularly any Gas Conflict and after bits.
I took an axe to it just now to cut out the massive and startling amount of non neutral assertions and links but it probably should be combed through by someone who actually knows the facts.  My Bolivia expertise is squarely in the ancient! Someone, who runs some sort of pro-Goni conspiracy site and who doesn't know how to use proper citations and tags seems to return regularly to mess it up. As ol' Goni is in the news, it would be nice to have the article be accurate for any visitors.
Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.40.150 (talk) 01:15, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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message: How many people died?--Lacarids (talk) 21:29, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaths? 

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message: Towards the end of the article (eg, the "Other countries" subsection), some of the paragraphs are given in the present tense (as in, they were happening during the writing), while others are given in the past tense. It's confusing - from what timeframe of reference is the article talking in? 2008? 2018?
Shibolet Nehrd (talk) 20:48, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed a few of these as I read through the article. There are likely more. The original author didn't seem to realize that a few years down the road things will change. Mikeatnip (talk) 20:06, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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