Talk:The Simpsons/Archive 2

message: The Simpsons are very popular and as a result they have many board games and video games (though some not as popular as others). Their resume' of board games include Simpsons Monopoly, Clue, and Jeopardy(as far as i can remember). Their video games is more extensive three that I remember are Simpsons Hit and Run, Road Rage and Krusty's fun house. If you remember any more feel free to add anything on thx.--69.1.20.34 17:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: um... if you look at the category, they're all there... - Adolphus79 21:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Board Games 

message: I think someone should add information about why the show became such a hit. There were many news stories on the subject. I may be able to do it myself, if I have time. If someone else would do it, that would be cool. I'm not sure where in the article it would go; maybe a separate section. Joey Q. McCartney 08:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already implied, if not explained in the controversy section. But there is no definitive factual way of explaining why the show became popular. TheHYPO 10:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What does it being not sold on iTunes anymore have to do with why it became popular? TheHYPO 21:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why it became a hit

message: I noted that a quote from the TV critic of the Calgary times from season 2 was added to the article. I'm just wondering if this is necessary. In 17 years, I'm sure some critic from some publication has both confirmed and denied almost every opinion-based fact about the show ever... TheHYPO 21:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now revised it so that now all it says is that the show quickly became a darling of critics, who loved its realism and intelligence. I wasn't trying to focus on one news story. The Canada story is now just a cite, not quoted directly. Joey Q. McCartney 22:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical quotes? 

message: I'd like to see a bit on the 'Al Shamshoon' translation made for Arabic-speaking audiences.  While the character name changes are at best trivia the changes made for cultural reasons seem more interesting.  It seems that with translated versions a lot of the jokes fare much worse than happens with other commedies. Dgies 05:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be intersting, but it's far from critical information on the show; perhaps an aritcle could be started for The Simpsons in other countries. or something. But I don't think adding such info to this article would be consistant with the goal of keeping only vital info about the show in this article. (IE: if someone were looking up The Simpsons, I don't think 'the changes made to the show for arabic countries' is one of the main things they are going to be looking for while reading this article. That is a more specific area of interest. TheHYPO 06:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in the Broadcasting of The Simpsons article. --Maitch 08:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Shamshoon and other translations? 

message: The image :Image:Simpsons Hollywood Walk of Fame.jpg is copyrighted and it might cause us problems, because we can't possibly claim that there is now way the image could be reproduced as a free alternative. I was wondering if somebody who lives nearby or who is on vacation might be able to take a picture of the star and upload it to Wikipedia with a free license. --Maitch 12:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try posting a request at Wikipedia:Requested pictures, too. Nuge talk 13:00, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hollywood Walk of Fame image

message: I was just noticing how extra-long the Table of Contents has gotten. I was wondering if we should trim down sub-headings perhaps? Like in the 'Hallmarks' section, we have 4 subheadings and each has its own main article. Since we redirect to 4 articles, perhaps all we need is the 'halmarks' heading, and the subheadings could just be bolded, but not actual subheadings in the TOC. In addition, I'm going to trim that seciton down and get rid of things I think are 'trivial' in a main "The Simpsons" article, and are quite sufficiently left to the subarticles. TheHYPO 00:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to cut down on TOC clutter, then start with the ones in "Characters" and "Publications". --Maitch 04:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut down headings? 

message: Here is another image request. Can anyone provide an image of the Bart Simpson t-shirt with the legend "Underachiever ('And proud of it, man!')"? The license needs to be free. --Maitch 20:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm no lawyer, but I can't see why it should be illegal to take a picture of your own t-shirt. If there are problems we can always use it as fair use. --Maitch 07:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another image request 

message: I'm looking to slice the recurring joke section down. It will just continue to bloat itself to death unless it gets clearly defined; I'm not sure if wiki allows self-referential comments, but you can decide if you like this (probably aimed at Maitch, since you lord over the article):
basically the third paragraph would become the following and everything after it would be deleted or moved to the recurring joke article if it's not already in there.
:Recurring jokes on the series have existed since the series began, and are far too numerous to list here. One of the earliest and most well known recurring jokes in the series were Bart's prank calls to Moe's Tavern asking for someone with a suggestive name such as "Amanda Huggankiss", "Al Coholic", or "Mike Rotch".
TheHYPO 05:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The policy on Wikikpedia is to avoid self-references, so our best option is to revert whatever bloats the section. --Maitch 07:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: We should make List of recurring joke on the Simpsons article then.--Greasysteve13 09:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Recurring jokes in The Simpsons. There seems to be a couple of people that make comments without actually reading the article. --Maitch 11:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Recurring jokes on the series have existed since it began, and are too numerous to list. One of the earliest and most well known examples in the series were Bart's prank calls to Moe's Tavern asking for someone with a suggestive name such as "Amanda Huggankiss", "Al Coholic", or "Mike Rotch".
We really don't need to list  Krusty Brand, VCR jokes, jabs at fox or the grammys in the main article; as none of those are defining aspects of the show (noone can say that the show wouldn't be the same without _____ (its making fun of the grammies; its Krusty brand jokes; its jabs at fox). The prank calls merely fit in as one of the best known and earliest examples of a recurring joke (and not a recurring theme like jabbing fox - it's an actual recurring joke where each occurance follows a template). And I say this having been the one to at at least one of the sections I intend to delete. Thoughts? Having more than one example of recurring jokes pretty much licences (or makes people think they have licence) to add anything they think is a prominent recurring joke. The subarticle exists for a reason... TheHYPO 20:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, it might be okay, but I'm not sure that it would actually help. We already got a warning saying that you shouldn't add things to the section and people just don't care. On another note I do want VCR gags or sight gags to be mentioned, since they have been in the show since the beginning. --Maitch 20:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Go ahead and rewrite the section. I still don't think it will help to write what you suggest, but I wouldn't mind your second phrasing. I recently added a warning against specifically writing that The Simpsons is set in Kentucky based on "Behind the Laughter", but it didn't take long before someone did it anyway. The section could be balanced better. We should avoid paragraphs with fewer than three sentences. If we just mention the catch phrases, prank calls, and sight gags I would be satisfied. I believe that the sight gags are important, because I'm pretty sure The Simpsons was the first show to do this. --Maitch 21:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll go do it on my own soon, but I don't know about 'sight gag's. As far as I know, any visual humour on its own is considered a 'sight gag' while VCR or freeze frame gags (which title do you prefer) are a little more Simpson-y. I know shows have been doing sight gags for a long time, but not necessarily sign gags, and at least not as a regular bit. TheHYPO 00:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, to be clearer, I want sign gags included in the section. It could be interesting to hear what a third person thinks should be included. --Maitch 21:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recurring Jokes slaughter. 

message: I was thinking that there should be a hallmark (or production?) section on the show's music; the elfman-theme part of the 'openning' section would be moved there as well as a brief mention of the shows notable feature of having a full orchestra (something somewhat common in cartoons now, but that was fairly unusual when the show debuted) as well a mention of the common use of parodies and original comedy lyriced songs (and the associated CDs). Finally a mention of the re-arrangment of the end theme for some episodes that have themes or homages. Thoughts? TheHYPO 05:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There should be a short section about the music, but I think we should split the information between "Hallmarks" and "Publications". The show has released four CDs. Two of them contain original material/cover versions, which haven't been featured on the show. This is better suited for the publications section. --Maitch 21:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd still mention in the music section that there have been several releases related to simpsons music (including a songbook), and 'see the publications section' with a section link. TheHYPO 00:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music? 

message: Why is the rumor of live action simpsons a hoax. The following articles don't share this view:
article about Simpsons Live Action and the trailer.
--84.134.24.63 19:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simpsons as Live action a hoax? 

message: Was there a name for the city in Kill the Alligator and Run. I remember the town flag but I can't remember if they ever said a name....70.134.133.165 00:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of town? 

message: I think there should be a section on vacations that the Simpsons have taken over the years. --KChuck27 04:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, probably too trivial for the encyclopedic entry for The Simpsons. --WillMak050389 17:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vacations 

message: I think that religion is a major part of the simpsons and it should be added to the character template.  I would do it, but I am not that experienced with those. Rubedeau 17:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This should probably be mentioned in the wikiproject talk page, not here. That said, Since the religion of MOST characters is not explicitly stated. Some can probably be inferred from people appearing in church scenes, but with the Simpsons, I wouldn't necessarily hold that as fact - writers could easily state otherwise in a future episode. Either way, For those that is explicitly stated, I think a mention in the article is fine. Almost every character is implied to be whatever Christian sect that the Simpsons themselves are, besides the few Jewish, Buddist and Hindu characters that have been explicitly stated... TheHYPO 19:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I started a discussion about this on the talk page about the Simpsons Character Template.Rubedeau 22:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: An odd coincidence - near the end of "The Birdman of Alcatraz", Stroud (Burt Lancaster) says to his girlfireind that they are moving him to the prison in Springfield, Missouri.  She responds that it will be close to her home in Shelbyville.  This is the only reference I've seen to both towns in the same program, outside of The Simpsons itself.
Google Maps says the driving distance from Springfield, MO to Shelbyville, MO is 287mi, to Shelbyville, TN, is 580 miles, to Shelbyville, IL is  329 miles, to Shelbyville, KY is 508 miles, and to Shelbyville, IN is 483 miles. So obviously they aren't next door to each other. --bill 16:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An interseting coincidence. The only non-coincidental explaination I can think of is that someone saw this film and it was in their minds when they wrote the neighbouring city into the episode it first appeared in. The fact that your second paragraph indicates there are a good number of Shelbyvilles also might indicate that it was chosen for similar reasons to Springfield in that both are common city names. There is also one in IL, as you mentioned that is not too far from Springfield, IL; though there are a good several dozen towns also in the same distance area. Who knows :) TheHYPO 23:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Who cares? The glovebox is full of rotting ants at the moment, the line must be traversed. A crow 'pon my shoulder. Give it up, there is no exit. R.A Huston 08:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Springfield and Shelbyville 

message: I just added a link to the episode guide. I had spent ages trying to find one and it turned out the only one was in the intro under the text of the number of episodes. This is a lot easier for people. DarkSideOfTheSpoon 08:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode update 

message: List of vehicles in The Simpsons is currently an AfD candidate.  You are invited to partake in this discussion. --Czj 04:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No it isn't. The notice that's been sitting on the page is from November, 2005, and was removed two seconds before I got a chance to.--Anchoress 04:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was actually re-listed tonight by Hetar.  Click this link - the new AfD is very much active. Czj 04:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a bad-faith listing and should be closed. The most recent AFD was just closed a few hours ago.  Anchoress 04:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Czj 04:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "List of vehicles in The Simpsons" currently up for deletion 

message: There is little if any informative value in the link to jumptheshark.com.  There's three problems with the site.
First the site was created in 1997.  In fact the first votes on the site refer to early 1998 moments.  These votes are still counted in the final tally. Second voting here is annonymous so it's easy to overinflate the numbers in any direction desired. Third the fact there's no way to recind the votes, or change your mind, the only option you have is voting again. 
What this boils down to is there can be X votes by a single person to any one field. Three or four differing votes from one person over a variety of fields.  This can be seen on any tvshow that was not finished by 1997, There's multiple votes for "never jumped" that predate the major events that most fans considered jumping. 
Considering there's no scientific or statistical data that can actually be garnered from the site, there's little reason Wikipedia should rely on it for a citation.  This would be akin to a single person polling people for data.  It wouldn't be considered Citable until it was possible to reproduce the data through other sources.  I have not removed it but I think it's a serious enough problem that it needs to be removed.--Kinglink 18:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well stated. Removed. -- Viewdrix 19:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Jump the shark information. 

message: Okay, I've lengthened the intro to three paragraphs. Can I remove lengthen the intro to three paragraphs from the To-do list now? -- Spongesquid 22:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is no longer something that needs to be done, then yes you should. The To-do list (and the wikiproject one) needs to be updated regularly.---Superman- 00:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lengthened the intro 

message: My personal opinion is that the new all-cast poster being used in the character section is even more intrusive than the old one (which itself was rather wide, but not that tall... now it's both). anyone think about reverting it? It is pretty unintelligable at its current size now. TheHYPO 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I also find it visually distracting from the article. --WillMak050389 03:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The image is distracting and you can hardly see the characters because of the low resolution. I reverted to the old image. --Maitch 07:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character image? 

message: Perhaps something should be said about big changes in storylines that have prevented the show from 'jumping the shark'. In particular, i'm talking about Maude Flanders death and Milhouses parents getting divorced: both I believe have provided plenty of comic storylines to fuel the show. Characters like Disco Stu, Duff man and the texan oil owner are new characters (who in my opinion are negative new changes to the show) who provide more jokes. In the last few years, it's argued the show has lost some of it's original charm, in some episodes seemingly parodying itself in trying to cram as many side-characters as possible to give their two cents. The makers have arrested this decline in quality. I think there is definitley something that should be said how the show has re-ignited it's success by, crucially, having serial storylines which as a rule, had always been avoided before.  Bobbyfletch85 19:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. Infact killing off a character is usually seen as the shark being jumped. DarkSideOfTheSpoon 08:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Serial Storylines and Key Changes

message: Look at the picture in this article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Simpsons_cast.png
Is there any special reason why this Panorama-picture includes so many characters and even the cat sitting on Marge's blue hair-tower, but not the dog of the family? Hans Rosenthal (ROHA) (hans.rosenthal AT t-online.de -- replace AT by @ ) (30082006)
::The dog is climbing up Marge's left side to get to the cat TheHYPO 07:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, TheHYPO. I seem to have been blind not to see that the dog is climbing up Marge's right side (left side from the watchers standpoint) to get away from Homer's left side (right side ditto). So the picture is now comlete for me. Hans Rosenthal (ROHA) (hans.rosenthal AT t-online.de -- replace AT by @ ) (12092006)
Actually, I think I'm more curious where Maude Flanders is.  Or is this picture supposed to include only "living" characters?
Quixoto 01:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: There are several major characters who are not included, and several less major characters (ie. The Octuplets) who are in the image. It's a promotional image, so I'm guessing that she isn't on there because she died. Same with Lionel Hutz, Troy McClure and Lunchlady Doris. -- Scorpion0422 02:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: There is a cat, but where is the dog?

message: I tried to edit the section of Springfield to add a possibility of where Springfield might be located, suggesting Kentucky. But a message appears several times in the editing section saying not to state Kentucky. I want to know why.
:Although many people have devoted hours of their lives to try and dtermine the location of Springfield, people ahve failed to realized it DOES NOT EXIST in our reality.  Matt Groening has stated himself that Springfield is a model to his hometown of Portland, Oregon (?).  Sorry guys, I know it's a dissapointment, but hey, we all gotta live with it. --Raabbasi (Unsigned)  04:06, 4 September 2006
::The same episode that claims it's in Kentucky is altered to say it's in another state when the episode reaired. Either way, the episode was called Behind the Laughter, and portrayed the Simpsons merely as actors playing a family. If you believe that Springfield is in Kentucky in that episode, it still doesn't mean that in the "real Simpsons universe", Springfield is in Kentucky. Either way, The discussion of such fake clues are left for the article which actually covers Springfield... Springfield (The Simpsons). I'm sure most of your questions about the location are answered there. TheHYPO 11:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Springfield 

message: Hi there. I got this screenshot I made from the show a while ago. I don't know where I could use it here and if I even should, but I like it, so I thought I upload it and let you guys decide if you want to use it: :Image:Simpsons_Pull_Homer.jpg
# Ido50 (talk to me), at 15:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The guidelines on screenshots is that they are generally only to be used as an illustration of a point or in discussion of the screenshot itself, and their use should be limited within articles. I don't think the screenshot adds anything to the article that merits adding a copyrighted screenshot. Posting is appreciated though. TheHYPO 20:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I kinda figured that. That's why I asked instead of just adding it to the article, though I do think it could be used to describe Homer's personality. Anyway, nevermind... # Ido50 (talk to me), at 20:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A nice picture

message: "Also, serious character changes are viewed by many as a bit too much of a change, such as Barney becoming sober, Homer seemingly clinically retarded, and Bart becoming fanatically religious."
Does the "fanatically religious Bart" mention refer to anything? --Liberlogos 00:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bart Simpson the Religious Fundamentalist 

message: Bart's full name is Bartholomew Jo-jo Simpson, but in the link list at the bottom of the page he is listed as Brunet "Bart" Simpson. Shouldn't he be listed as Bartholomew "Bart" Simpson instead? I just thought i'd let you know :-)  -- Zestos 19:47, 16 September 2006 (BST)
:It was a vandal who changed it. It has now been reverted. --Maitch 19:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Brunet "Bart" Simpson?

message: This was recently added to the article on Antonio Meucci.
:In the television series The Simpsons, the family visits a museum of inventors and a picture of Alexander Graham Bell is placed on top of a plaque reading "Inventor of the telephone" with a small picture of Antonio Meucci beside him with a plaque saying "You stole it from me." Graham Bell then replies "Read the patent, bitch."
I'm skeptical. Can any of you Simpson experts confirm or deny the existence of such an incident? Dpbsmith (talk) 01:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has a reference for the quote in the episode where the cemetary moves next door (don't know the name off the top of my head), but says it is Elisha Gray, not Meucci. – AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 13:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antonio Meucci 

message: The Simpsons have been here about one generation, and is STILL running. Is there any shows still running for this long? --66.218.11.241 03:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great for you, but what does that have to do with the article? --Maitch 17:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The point is. We don't care what show you like or don't like. Go to IMDb or anywhere else for that. This discussion is only for discussing the quality of the article. --Maitch 20:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Almost 18! 

message: Isn't this a good article? NorwegianMarcus 12:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're referring to whether it's listed as a 'good article' by Wikipedia then yes. It's the second boiler plate from the top of this discussion page. ~~ Peteb16 12:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article? 

message: I'm trying to fix the word "gratist" but when I remove the word the spam protection filter comes up. What's going on? --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 06:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem fixed. One of the external links was setting off the spam blocker. Its erased now. Gdo01 06:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think TVRAGE.com was just added to the spam filter as I had issues with several tv relateed articles with that link last night. L0b0t 11:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It won't let me edit the article because of a "spam protection filter" 

message: There were new episodes a few weeks ago but now all there is at 8:00 is Americas Funniest Home Videos.  AFV sucks and I dont understand why it took the Simpsons time slot.  Did they move the Simpsons?
:Before answering, may I give you some advice? In future I would avoid discussing this here as it is against the rules. Discussion in these pages are supposed to be directly relevant to the article they're linked with. Secondly you should always sign your comments with four tidles like this ~~~, this changes when saving to show your user name (or IP) and the date and time you left the message. That way people can easily identify who is leaving a message and of course when. Advice aside, I'll try and be helpful here and inform you that the next episode (according to TV.com) will be broadcast on November 5th. ~~ Peteb16 17:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Happened To The Simpsons? 

message: I cannot figure out what the name of this song is or who sang it.  If you can't remember the episode, the song sounds like Hendrix's Along the Watchtower, only with a female singer, who sounds kind of like Janis Joplin or Heart (who sang Barracuda).
It's on the episode where Marge takes Maggie to the Roofie concert for babies, and then ends up fighting singles and starting a voter initiative, and the song is played at the beginning of the concert after Marge says, "It's as if a concert promoter acted unscrupulously!"  It's not listed anywhere as having ever been played on the episode.  I've checked imdb.  64.119.53.133 02:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gimmie Shelter maybe? L0b0t 02:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Danke!  64.119.53.133 04:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song from Marge vs SSCCATAGAPP 

message: Has that clip ever been used in a real episode. I'm not talking about clip shows or anything. I mean has it been part of the storyline for any episode. I'm confused as to why it is shown in the clip shows without having been in an episode, as I feel is the case. Kaiser matias 18:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "I'll Mace You" Quote 

message: I didn't notice anything about scenes from movies. I think that this is also big part of the show. In many part there are small scenes that are taken from other movies. Good example is reference to Pulp Fiction. I'm not sure in which part (21 short tales about Springfield?) it appears but cops are sitting in Krusty burgers and talkgin about small difernces between McDonald and Krusty burger. This is taken from Pulp fiction where they talk about diferences between mac in europe and us. There's many of scenes like this one but you need to be very carefull to notice them
:Yes, I agree, I'm often fascinated when I see that a scene is clearly alluding to a film and often keen to find out what it is (took me a while to work out that the Ribwich scene was from Requiem for a Dream - ah I notice that's an update needed to I'm Spelling as Fast as I Can). I guess it would be good to create a page like List of songs featured in The Simpsons, or any other suggestions for a format? --Mortice 20:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scene from movies 

message: I deleted a paragraph of character changes - I felt that the changes to Homer and Bart were subjective and ammounted to original research, and the change to Patty wasn't so significantly a character shift as to be notable. (She was never constantly dating or interested in men at all turns before coming out - even when dating Skinner she wasn't thrilled about the idea of dating in the first place. Besides all this, it felt like unnecessary addition of spoiler info that didn't need to be there. The Patty thing didn't ammount to any more of a character shift than Lisa's vegitarianism or Buddhism, neither of which is generally brought up as a major change that ruined the show. 
For what it's worth (and it's just my opinion), I think the only reason the show is crap now is because the dialogue has entirely shifted from believable to totally stilted. There was a rerun from last season on tonight in which the family goes to a baseball game, and meet a player who's having problems with his marriage to a singer, and asks Homer and Marge to act as marriage counsellors. I personally don't think this is more farfetched than some of the mid-season episodes (say, seasons 5-8). The difference was more in a) how the lines are just delivered unrealistically and (to a lesser extent than I think is generally claimed) b) the jokes aren't as funny. But I think they would be if the dialogue were more realistic and it was delivered better. Specifcally I think Julie Kavner isn't delivering lines half as believably as she used to, but everyone is guilty. The believability is also hurt by overuse of the 3 male voice actors for every minor character while they are running out of original voices. (the 'skinner-esque' voice shows up way too often as a one-shot character.)
I think the writing and directing problems are secondary, though they are present. For example, I think they milk jokes too long (there were a few good jokes in the aforementioned episode that I laughed at but then they keep the joke going to a disbelievable extreme of in your face obviousity. I think some of the other jokes aren't as funny because they don't stem from the plot itself but a bit more from outside randomness (yet, this is why Family Guy is funny. I'm not sure why Simpsons fails with it other than the fact that it's not that funny when they do it, and because it's not what is expected of the Simpsons) TheHYPO 07:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call on the removal.  I think an even bigger problem is that we can not include things like that unless they have been said by a verifiable 3rd party source, preferably a professional media writer or critic. As editors we may only add info to an article if a secondary source has already thought of it and published it somewhere notable.  As an aside, I plead with everyone who contributes to articles about television show to PLEASE familiarize yourselves with WP:EPISODE, the calibre of writing on Simpsons, South Park, Pokemon, and most other cartoon show articles is just atrocious, barely high school or secondary school level.  Not only does that make for poor articles but it makes Wikipedia look bad.  This is a serious encyclopedia, not a fansite.  There is no room for quotes (they belong at Wikiquote), or scene by scene breakdowns, or bulleted lists of jokes from the show. L0b0t 12:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted paragraph 

message: I recently read an article on Ulysses S. Grant (the 18th US President) to discover his middle name was in fact Simpson. Considering (the ancient greek) Homer wrote about Ulysses, there seems to be a very strong connection between Ulysses Simpson and Homer Simpson. Is this why they are called the Simpsons?
Has anyone seen an interview with Groening where he speaks about this? --Ethikos 17:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have anything to cite for you, but I've read that Groening picked the name Simpson because (a) of its commonness (sp?) and (b) the etymology of the name Simpson means "son of a simpleton," which is of course apropos to what Groening wanted to convey with the family. Vbdrummer0 21:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why they are called "The Simpsons"?!

message: I'm just wondering, how about nominating this for ACID? Go Futurama! Sp3000 09:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:ACID|ACID]] 

message: I'm proposing changing the way we manage lists of songs in episodes. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Proposal for managing song lists on Simpons episodes which has a full explanation of the proposal. Please leave comments there --Mortice 22:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for managing song lists on Simpons episodes 

message: Why removed the "Merchandise" heading. I mean "DVDs" "posters" all that... I don't like that, at least mention it, now you've removed a whole lot of useful information. NorwegianMarcus 13:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large removing 

message: I have read numerous versions of this article and it looks like its being vandalised enough to be at least semiprotected.Hondasaregood 07:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't look to me like it's getting nearly enough vandalism to warrant protection, but at any rate you should ask here rather than on this page. Anchoress 07:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I just don't understand what your standard for being vandalised sufficiently enough to be protected is.Hondasaregood 08:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not my standard, it's Wikipedia's. Even pages being vandalised once a minute are often refused protection. I'm not telling you no; I don't have any authority to do so. I'm just offering my opinion, and a SUGGESTION of where you can go to get more help with this. If this page does warrant protection, you'll get it protected a lot quicker posting on the AN/I (which I linked to) than just the post here. Anchoress 09:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone '''PLEASE''' protect the page? 

message: I've successfully succeded in getting this page protected by requesting protection!Hondasaregood 20:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done you, but please don't make section headers like that, ironically it may be considered vandalism. I've changed the header to something more appropriate. ~~ Peteb16 21:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I don't think that the page needed protection. I mean it certainly wasn't constant vandilism. It really wasn't that bad. But as it is protected now there won't be a problem at all. So, good job. Gran2 22:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: The Wikipedia Manual of Style states that articles about American television shows should use American spellings.  User:Lenzar is inserting British spellings into many articles including this one in violation of this and other rules in the Manual of Style and hiding behind a "minor edit" flag.  See diff.  Can someone with an account please revert the change and keep an eye on his account for further abuse?  4.227.107.146 22:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted his edits. -- Scorpion0422 23:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[User:Lenzar]] violating [[WP:MS]] 

message: There's a project afoot to make some (invisible) updates to episode pages which will assist in generating lists of information for other pages, using ListGenBot.
If you would like to help out, there's details of what to do at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Addling ListGenBot tags to episode pages, and a table there where you can claim interest in editing a particular season. Thanks --Mortice 21:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for assistance - adding tags to episode pages 

message: Is this the most linked to page on wikipedia?
I'm just asking because an insane amount of articles mentions it in their pop culture references.
ex. "simpsons did it" on South Park. 69.139.0.62 03:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but you can look at Special:Mostlinked, to see the top linked to pages. --WillMak050389 03:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Simpsons is number 766 right now. Anchoress 03:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Why is 2007 their 20th anniversary? 1989+20=2009, 2008 if you're counting 1989. 67.188.172.165 04:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The show began in 1987 on the "The Tracey Ullman Show." Go Futurama! User:Sp3000 04:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 20th Anniversary

message: (copied from The Haw-Hawed Couple)
Nelson had a cat in this episode what was his name.67.175.138.202 01:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nelson's cat's name

message: In the Production section is an uncited claim of a fourth, anonymous executive producer who wishes to avoid the press.  Sounds bogus; I've neither heard nor read mention of this by anyone involved with the show, nor from any fans of the show. - JoshG
:News to me. I reverted it. -- Scorpion 20:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fourth Anonymous E.P.

message: In a few episodes, when faced with a difficult situation, a character, or characters will cringe and go something like 'Na-hur-hurgh!' Where does that come from? Martyn Smith 19:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a fellow Brit, I'm not entirely sure, but I always just thought it was an expression of something like fear, but less scary, as something bad has just happened. Or it's just something just made up, like "Doh" or "Woo Hoo!".Gran2 19:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question from a Brit

message: Though I'm pleasantly surprised to see that this has become a featured article, I think it could still use a lot of work.  I've done a (very quick) copy-edit and corrected a few minor things, but here are some issues that might require input from more people:
* I like this quote and thought it might be appropriate in the criticisms category: "Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, once said The Simpsons was “one of the most subtle pieces of propaganda around in the cause of sense, humility and virtue," written in a recent profile of Homer Simpson in the Sunday Times (7/8/07).
*From the subsection Animation: The last episode to be animated by Klasky Csupo was "Kamp Krusty", in production order. What exactly does "in production order" mean in this sentence? It's just dangling at the end.
**It means that "A Streetcar Named Marge" was aired later than "Kamp Krusty", but produced before the episode. --Maitch 10:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For guest stars, yes Tony Bennett was the first person to appear as himself. I was always of the opinion that in recnt season guest star have been brought in for ratings, and do nothing for the story. As they say in  Behind the Laughter "trendy guest stars". I mean, when a character is voiced by a celebrity, like Hank Scorpio, they are often considered to be one of the best characters of all time. But when they appear as themselves it doesn't always work. I mean in early seasons, Leonard Nimmoy as himself, both times it made sence, it greatly added to the episode and it was good. But then people like Tony Blair, where it was just weird, and added nothing to the plot. So pbviously you couldn't use what I have just said, as it doesn't make much and couldn't be cited, but I agree the section, and others, need re-writes. So that was a slight rant/point. Gran2 08:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article still needs some work if we want perfection. I will continue to work on it. Thanks for the copyedits by the way. --Maitch 10:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious, how do we get the page on the Wikipedia main page? I actually know very little about Wikipedia outside of editing and I was wondering how we do it. -- Scorpion 15:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests is the answer, I was thinking, although it is a long time away, we coul ask for it on July 27, so it can coincide with the filmns release. But that's only if you would want its featureing to have some meaning. Gran2 16:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think there are even better dates. 19 April 2007 is date of the Simpsons 20th anniversary and 20 May 2007 is the air date of the 400th episode. --Maitch 18:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: For editing  and contributing these pages are best avoided due to the excessive amount of saddos and nerds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul210 (talk • contribs) 
:Why thank you for taking time out of your busy life to enlighten us with this world changing prophecy. Gran2 08:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The days are over where anybody can insert anything to the article. We want the article to maintain its FA status. If you want to have fun editing then go to another article, which has a lower standard. --Maitch 13:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean I can't insert a picture of Homer in a speedo? There's no reason to live! (Runs up stairs and rides a kayak off a mountain) -- Scorpion 15:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well this debate mixes both Nazi-like oppression and 'idiotic-style' humour. Atlantis Hawk 12:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nerds 

message: I've been off Wikipedia for a while so could somebody please give me a date of when this article was featured? 220.101.41.184 12:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 30 December. Gran2 17:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It hasn't appeared on the front page yet, if that's what you're asking.  It passed the FA process on December 30.  (Honestly, though, I still think it needs a lot of work.) Zagalejo 20:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay good, I haven't missed it! Atlantis Hawk 05:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA 

message: Is it really necessary to add a page and a half of quotes to each episode summary? They could both be considered spoilers, as on most pages, you can find all the jokes in the episode, and they certainly don't add any useful information. How about limiting them to the really famous ones (like the one about cheese eating surrender monkeys)? Sorry for not posting on the appropriate page, but I figured it'd be better to raise the issue here than on 390 separate pages. 217.211.102.6 23:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia frowns upon quote sections and we're actually in the process of removing the quotes from many pages, but it's not a priority, so nobody is devoting a lot of time to it. I remove the quotes from every page I edit, and I think others do too. -- Scorpion 23:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes in the episode summaries 

message: Is Mr. Mooch Nelson's only pet?67.175.138.202 00:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might have better luck posting your questions at the NoHomers.net Q&A thread. Zagalejo 02:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, why exactly is this essential to the main Simpsons page? Discuss it at the Nelson page at the very least. -- Scorpion 03:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Hey! Be nice. This User can talk on The main talk page if wants to. The Educational films should be on  the Troy McClure page, but he or she they want to talk about it on this page they can if they want to.Kongsaurus12 21:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Mooch 

message: In the introduction to the article, it is said that Bart is named after Matt Groening himself, but in the origins section, it is said that he is named after Groening's older brother. I'm not sure which is accurate, but I thought I'd point it out --24.62.34.122 00:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought he was named 'Bart' because it is an anagram of 'brat'. Trixovator 12:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You read it wrong. Bart's character is based on Mark Groening, but his name IS an anagram of Brat. -- Scorpion 15:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Bart Simpson article itself says that no-one really knows who he is named after, but points more in Matt's direction.  Surely the articles shouldn't conflict? Trixovator 10:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe I heard in an audio commentary or in an interview on one of the DVDs that Matt Groening said that Bart's name was originally going to be "Matt", but thought it would be too obvious (making the parallels from his family's names). In this case, he would be based off of Matt, himself. But without an exact source, this couldn't be added. So if anyone knows where that clip came from, we could use it to back up Bart's origin. --WillMak050389 04:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bart - Matt or Mark? 

message: How come Archive 6 still has the edit sign? It's an Archive and it shouldn't have the edit sign?67.175.138.202 02:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It can not be fixed. It is just a page like everything else. --Maitch 21:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Someone got got rid of the edit sign. Whoever did that...Thank You.Kongsaurus12 22:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive

message: The Simpsons series is full of mock educational films, yet there is not a single mention about it in the article(?). Svetovid 23:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's only so much we can include in a hub page like this before the article starts getting incredibly long.  FYI, though, there's a list of  most of the educational films at Troy McClure's page. Zagalejo 00:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps said films could be mentioned at the Education in The Simpsons page. -- Scorpion 14:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I've had a change of heart.  I think we could briefly mention the filmstrips in this article while describing how the show satirizes the American education system.  At present, this article says nothing at all about Springfield Elementary, which seems like a significant omission.   Zagalejo 15:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I want to do a complete rewrite of the "Plots" section, but I'm waiting for a book I've ordered in order to source it properly. The section should mention Springfield Elementary, but I'm not sure if it is really necessary to include mock educational films. It should however definately be in the Education in The Simpsons article. --Maitch 16:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which book? I've got Planet Simpson and a couple others, Planet Simpson is an excellent book by the way - I'm considering making a page for it. -- Scorpion 16:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Leaving Springfield". It has been delayed until mid February. I would also like to read the philosophy book and Planet Simpson, but lets see what I got time for. --Maitch 16:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Educational films

message: Which episode of Simpsons had the anime heroes and which family member was which anime hero67.175.138.202 02:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, you'd be better off posting this question at a Simpsons message board.  This talk page is reserved for discussions about the Wikipedia article's content; it's not meant for general discussion about the TV show.  But since I'm feeling generous, the gag is from 'Tis the Fifteenth Season. Here's a picture. Homer is Ultraman, Marge is Jun, Maggie is Pikachu, Lisa is Sailor Moon and Bart is Astro Boy. Zagalejo 04:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a message board. I realize that by writing this I am going against my own axiom, so don't bother pointing out the irony. Dflav1138 01:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anime Counch Gag

message: Although this is a contentious subject, I'd like to offer something:
In the episode "On a Clear Day I Can't See My Sister" (346, GABF05), the couch gag is a zoom out from the couch, out from Springfield, out from the US and so on.  When zooming out from the US, although the cartoonist's impression is not perfect, it is an approximate impression of the US landmass and seems to suggest Illinois as the home state.  The location of the town of Springfield, IL agrees with the the couch gag location.  Further evidence to this is the existence of a town called Shelbyville close to Springfield, IL.  What say you?  Should this brief hypothesis be added to the main page?
Icezebra 14:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this page is for general information and not speculation. discuss it in the Springfield talk page. -- Scorpion 14:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Setting / Location of Springfield

message: Are there for any reasons? I mean, a pig and a big key? What's the connection with The Simpsons? Gspinoza, 17:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was vandalism from last night. You should reload the site or purge your cache. Gdo01 17:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The first two images

message: Why does someone keep reverting my action figure link?  Instead of it looking like this> action figures, I made it look like this> action figures.  Someone keeps reverting back! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supergeeky1 (talk • contribs) 
:Because it is against policy to make hidden links like that. --Maitch 11:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert 

message: The Simpsons won the Guinness World Record for Longest Running Animated TV Series, does any-one else think it's good for the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Atomic45 (talk • contribs) 08:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The articles already stated that The Simpsons is the longest running animated TV series. People would assume that if they broke the record, it would be on the Guinness book of records. A small footnote towards the book will do, and its already on there. There will probably be no more reason to add any more information. --[|.K.Z|][|.Z.K|] 09:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guiness World Record 

message: Please correct "controvery" to "controversy" 13:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have completed this for you . Thank you for pointing it out. --WillMak050389 14:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Typo

message: I have a made a request for this article to featured on the main page of Wikipedia and requested April 19, because it is the 20th annoversary of the first Ullman short. The text I used is basically the current article lead, except with the cites gone and the last paragraph cut out. Any revisions or suggestions are more than welcome. You can find it here-- Scorpion 06:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Main page

message: In the introduction, it says that Groening chose the name Bart for himself, but in the next section, says Bart was Groening's brother's substitute name. Naysie 01:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is explained better in the Bart Simpson article. I have removed it from this article, because it is not that important and people keep asking about it. --Maitch 19:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: I just looked up this word in the Oxford English Dictionary, and apparently it has been in the language since the 50's.  This is problematic for the intro section, although a simple fix is possible.  If we could find a specific date at which it was added to an American Dictionary, that would satisfy me, as the argument is that it entered the popular American lexicon through the Simpsons, not that it entered the language this way. Wrad 06:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  D'oh 

message: I would like to record a spoken version of this article. Any suggestions or objections? (besides those included in the reading guidelines) Notbot 02:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not. Good idea. Gran2 05:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Go ahead. Even if anyone objects to your version in any way, it could always be removed or deleted. Practice your "annoyed grunt" though so you get it right. D'oh! Quadzilla99 05:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoken version of article 

message: Does anyone know whether or not there will be a 20th Season of The Simpsons? Any news from Fox?-mattawa
:Not yet, but even if they do decide to stop the production of The Simpsons now, it is very likely that there will at least be a short season 20. They are about 8 episodes ahead of the aired seasons, so unless they decide to air 30 episodes during season 19, there will be some left for season 20. --Maitch 15:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, if Fox drop the Simpsons then someone else will just pick it up, so the show would probably continue anyway JayKeaton 04:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 20? 

message: I've done a big copyedit of the article  (the first half at lease) and I'd like opinions as to whether these sentences are needed in the article. 
* (On Julie Kavner) She has been known to refuse to perform Marge's voice in public, to maintain the mystique of the character.
JameiLei 12:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't care that much whether it stays or goes, but since it is unsourced, I'm leaning towards removing it. --Maitch 20:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Required or not? 

message:  
Free the edit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nate Speed (talk • contribs) 
: There's a reason why the page has been protected. If you have recently created an account, please wait a few days to be able to contribute to the article. Alternatively, say what you would like changed here and a registered user will update the page for you. JameiLei 20:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the edit protection.  -- Samir 01:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotect

message: I have a question. Why was the FA status removed? I will revert that removal until this is explained. Sjones23 01:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA 

message: Perhaps the simpsons article is too long.  There are so many sub-articles that the main page probably does not need to sum them all up.  For instance, the movie section can probably be shortened up or left out completely if there is already an article about it.
12.216.100.205 21:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is within Wikipedia's recommandation for article size. --Maitch 09:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shortening the Page 

message: I heard that after The Simpsons Movie, they will end the show. Is this true? -Yancyfry 03:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope; it's been renewed for another season. (Check out Google News.) Zagalejo 03:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumor? 

message: Why aren't screne shots of each episode uploaded/allowed? I feel this adds A LOT to each episode capsule. Is it possible FOX can allow these for Wikipedia use?
:What are you talking about? Each episode page clearly has a screenshot... Gran2 05:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where? I don't see any for any episode for any season. Gutch220 18:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: That's what I mean. The season summaries used to have screen shots, now they don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Simpsons_%28season_12%29 why is this? Gutch220 22:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was decided upon about a month ago (see discussion). Screenshots for each episode just decorate "List of ... episodes" pages, therefore violation fair use policy. It is somewhat annoying, but in fairness, needed to be enacted. --WillMak050389 22:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screen Shots 

message: Do you think that the "more like the Waltons and less like the Simpsons' quotation by George Bush Snr merits inclusion in this article? It would be quite indicative of the cultural effect/appeal of the show?81.154.187.97 17:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its already there... Gran2 17:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: skim-reading never was my strong point. Good job!86.134.33.161 17:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Waltons

message: I think that there should be a section about websites from the show itself, for instance whatbadgerseat.com or Mr. X Alx xlA 03:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canon Websites 

message: Currently, the Setting section of this article contains the following sentence:
The name "Springfield" is a common one in America and appears in more than thirty states.[citation needed]
If you do a Google search in an attempt to find a citation, this very article comes up near the top of the results, and Ask.com was no help, either … if this article were not currently semi-protected, I would have changed it to the following:
The name "Springfield" is a common one in America and appears in more than thirty nearly half of the states.
The way to accomplish this is to (a) wikilink "Springfield" with "Springfield", (b) change the assertion as indicated, and (c) remove the  tag at the end of the sentence.
I counted 24 different states in the list (that's "nearly half" without providing a possibly incorrect actual number that requires a citation), and of course that list does not include any others that may lack sufficient notability for an article in Wikipedia.
If Some Other Editor feels that this reference is sufficient to justify removal of the recently added [citation needed] tag, then please implement my suggestion … Happy Editing! —72.75.70.147 09:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have changed the text, but you can't use Wikipedia itself as a reference, so we still need a reliable citation. --Maitch 09:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Places named Springfield 

message: I edited the categories box to include some reference to the numerous music albums produced from the Simpsons, yet it has been deleted. I know there is a link to the 2 singles but how about retaining some sort of link to the albums (singing the blues, simpsonic)
:This is the wrong place for this, but I reverted your edits because there is a link to The Simpsons discography so there is no need for links to the indiviudal CDs. It's the same reason why individual characters and episodes are not included. But, there is no "The Simpsons singles" page, which is why the songs are there. -- 21:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music from the Simpsons 

message: Several Simpsons-related pages have been edited recently by user 86.151.45.10.  A number of this user's changes have been reverted by other users, and many others are questionable (admitting to adding made-up information to Treehouse of Horror XVIII, adding incorrect voice talent to episode pages, etc.).  I'd like to suggest some Simpsons experts review the user's recent edits to verify their veracity.  -FeralDruid 19:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We already are (User:Scorpion0422/Hidden Message Vandal). Everything he has added has been reverted. Gran2 19:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I suspect 86.151.47.11 is the same user as before (note the similar IP addresses).  The edits he's been making today are very similar to the ones made a couple days ago, and some have already been reverted.  Note that the prior address was blocked for a day, for multiple vandalism to Simpsons-related pages.  I'll be keeping an eye on this user's edits.  -FeralDruid 20:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent wide-spread edits