Template talk:Test/Archives/2006/11

message: I've noticed that many times a shared IP anon user that makes useful edits has some test messages on the talk page.  How about a message for these IPs that encourages an account?
My draft:
Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia! 
Your IP address appears to be shared. In the past other users have made edits that could be seen as vandalism to Wikipedia. It advised that you create a unique User account.
You don't have to log in to read or edit articles on Wikipedia, but creating an account is quick, free and non-intrusive, requires no personal information, and gives you many benefits, including:
*The use of a username of your choice
*The ability to view all your contributions via a "My contributions" link 
*Your own user page 
*Your own talk page which, if you choose, also allows users to send you messages without knowing your e-mail address
*The use of your own personal watchlist to which you can add articles that interest you
*The ability to rename pages
*The ability to upload images 
*The ability to customize the appearance and behavior of the website
*The eligibility to become an administrator 
*The right to be heard in votes and elections
*Your IP address will no longer be visible to other users.
We hope that you choose to become a Wikipedian and create an account. Feel free to ask me any questions you may have on my talk page. We hope you enjoy your time here on Wikipedia as a Wikipedian!
Comments? --Elliskev 03:18, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds great, and a similar one already exists: . It doesn't have the "Your IP appears to be shared" bit, but it's the same basic template. I'd suggest adding this notice to the talk page there, or just going ahead and creating it at something like  or suchlike. I support the idea. However, you should delete "The ability to view all your contributions via a 'My contributions' link" since they already have that (on their userpage), and "Your own talk page which, if you choose, also allows users to send you messages without knowing your e-mail address" as they obviously have a talk page or this wouldn't be posted, and that's not an entirely accurate description of the "E-mail this user" feature. I'd also rephrase "The ability to customize the appearance and behavior of the website" as it's not obvious whether or not you're talking about a skin &c., becuase they already can change the appearance of the website by editing it. Blackcap (talk) 05:36, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah.   is what spawned the idea. I noticed that many times the anon IPs are shared (probably schools) and thought that it might be an added incentive to register by pointing out that the IP address has been used in the past by vandals.  But, I really prefer the User:Rd232/anon-welcome idea.  --Elliskev 20:31, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

text: You know what? I like User:Rd232/anon-welcome better than my idea.  I like the box.  It really draws attention to the idea that IP addresses can be associated with vandalism.  I suggest that it be moved to a template and added to the cool table on this page. I will use it once that's done. --Elliskev 20:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I like it too. It's well drafted, and deserves its own template page. I'd create it at , as it's not for solely productive IPs (which is what  is for). My suggestion, so long as you approve, is to move User:Rd232/anon-welcome to a new template-namespace page. What would you suggest for a title? Blackcap (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy that people like it :). I'd suggest being careful with "vandal" in the name, as if people applying the template don't use "subst:" the template name shows up and it may give the wrong impression; maybe , which is precise if a bit long. A variation of  would perhaps be best. Rd232 talk 22:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You've got a good point about not using subst, so I'm moving towards , myself. In the instructions on the talk page we could put a notice saying to use subst on it. Blackcap (talk) 22:37, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How about ? --Elliskev 23:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done using  (we can change the name later if we want). Rd232 talk 21:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Shared IP 'Create an account' message

message: I think there should be a non-notable template created; I think it would fit in just before test-n on the chart. Something that can gently warn (typically new users) their articles/additions are non-notable and will be deleted by Wikipedians given such and such criteria. Then direct them to pages on how to contribute notable stuff. - RoyBoy 800 21:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ther is  for A7 speedys, but I gather you want soemthing more generic? DES (talk) 18:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:nn-test]] 

message: "Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed."  Remove the comma. ~Topaz♪♫∆ 11:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The comma is appropriate (IMHO).  —David Levy 12:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punctuation error 

message: I feel the test templates need to be made more friendly. We really don't want to scare these people away. I was thinking something more like this (though I am *definitly* not a copyeditor). It doesnt hurt to be nice even to people who are vandalising.  -Ravedave 04:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the new version, personally. I've always thought the original a bit 'standoffish' despite its AGF tone. --Malthusian (talk) 17:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The new message sounds good to me.  Though, how about instead of "contribute to our encyclopedia", say "contribute to Wikipedia"?  Wikipedia isn't "ours" but rather "anyone" can edit it. -Aude (talk | contribs) 20:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, I have updated it, along with some small tweaks - see the "New2" section -21:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  Tweaked alot again. Any input anyone? -Ravedave 22:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd just stick with "Thanks", rather "Thanks and Happy editing!"  Exclamatory remarks, in general, are rarely productive. It comes off as bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, which provokes murderous responses in some. Otherwise I'm fine with it. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 23:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  Apart from Adashiel's suggestion, I would change "If you would like information on how to edit Wikipedia take a look at the welcome, how to edit a page or editing tutorial pages" back to "Take a look at the welcome page for information on how to contribute to our encyclopedia". I think we should have one single link, or it'll just confuse editors as to which link to follow, for no good reason as the welcome page covers just about everything. --Malthusian (talk) 23:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Re-edited New2 to in line with comments. I'll leave it up to the poster to add the thanks/happeyediting etc  Where do I go with this now to get it implemented? Anyone an admin round abouts here? -Ravedave 03:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More friendly? 

message: I cut my forefinger yesterday evening trying to open a packet of Tesco cheese and, since that finger is currently out of action to type with until the plaster comes off, have been on the of verge typing  on new, impressionable editors' pages all day. Just a warning to any other RC-patrolling editors who suffer shrink-wrap-packaging-related injuries :-) --Malthusian (talk) 17:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caution 

message: The current template (below) doesn't work; the signature is very strange.
{{editprotected&$125;}
A space in front of the template needs to be removed. Can someone do that? -- King of Hearts | (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes please. It completely destroys the generated text. Pavel Vozenilek 00:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was fixed a few minutes after the space was accidentally inserted; I apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 01:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doesn't work; I'll propose an alternate template in the next section 

message: Why does the test-n template no longer wikilink to the article in question? (ESkog)(Talk) 00:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Pathos forgot to put the colon in front of the 1 in the parameter, I think. I'm not an admin, but I'll try and track one down. -- Avi 01:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Try "" instead; this method allows you to do such things as "", or "". ;) I think it's a bad idea to force an automatic link; that greatly decreases the flexibility. After a short adjustment period everyone will begin adding the links themselves. It's hardly a tragedy if the vandal can't click through to the page he's been vandalising for the first few days of the change. :) // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 01:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That'll work. I like having the link there because it tends to target a repeat vandal instead of having them leave their little piles all over the 'pedia. (ESkog)(Talk) 01:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, I've been playing with the sandbox templates, and putting the link in the parameter instead of the template seems to be the way we need to go. I was wrong about the colon, Pathos :) -- Avi 01:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  BTW, you should make a not of that on the template page, so people realize it, Pathos. -- Avi 01:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  'Tis reverted per a few complaints. See the WikiProject on user warnings, which is drafting a standardised series of warning templates that includes several similar flexible options. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 02:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did the wikilink go? 

message: It isn't anymore "ours" than it is "theirs", and it sounds a bit offensive. Wouldn't it be better to say "the encyclopedia"? --Grocer 11:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The word "our" doesn't necessarily exclude the person it is being directed to. "Our" can be used to include "you". –Tifego(t) 00:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Our Encyclopedia

message: Perhaps add a timestamp to all test-related templates so when substed, the current timestamp is registered in the comment, this will offcourse not interfere if the template is transcluded. THis could be useful for check when exactly  the user got the warning (for a bot etc...) →AzaToth 21:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not needed. Most/all people sign the test message with a regular ~~~~. Stifle (talk) 00:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  add timestamp to comment 

message: The phrase "Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed." seems a little odd to me. Would anyone object if I changed it to "but has been reverted or removed" (and maybe wikilink "reverted")?--HereToHelp 03:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "and" makes a lot more sense there; "but" suggests that it was somehow useful material. I do, however, think the way the message both starts and ends with the same word "Thanks" sounds a bit brain-dead. –Tifego(t) 03:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed and agreed, I was actually about to leave a message about the "thanks" bit when I came across your message. GT 07:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll do something about the two "thanks" (thanks squared!)and link "revert", but leave the "and".--HereToHelp 23:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: Should we change "Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do" into "Your test worked. However, please don't add nonsense. If you really want to experiment, use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do."?--Exir KamalabadiJoin Esperanza! 11:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? That's what  is supposed to be for. Which, I might add, I believe is in need of rewording (a simple edit that has already requested, but so far unnoticed). –Tifego(t)21:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of wording 

message: However the  wording is changed, it should be. it is quite rude and presumptuous to assume that someone is "testing" or "experimenting" when their intentions may have been pure but in bad wiki form (like mine were). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.186.198 (talk • contribs) 
:There is already a softer version of , called , which I'm guess you'd rather have been given. Anyway, experimentation is not such a bad thing to assume compared to vandalism. –Tifego(t)07:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: change of wording 

message: Hey, wasn't there a big grid here before describing each template? I liked it and wish it would come back. Or am I confused and thinking of some other page? Ewlyahoocom 11:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you thinking of WP:TT? Petros471 23:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  where'd the grid go? 

message: I don't like the addition of "which you are more than welcome to do" at the end. It's a bit condescending, unnecessary and very clumsy, due to the repetition of "to do" to end a sentence. Would anyone have any strong objection if I removed it? --Sam Blanning(talk) 11:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea to me. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed it. I support removing that clause. Mak (talk) 21:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording change 

message: :de:Vorlage:Test
--Androl 07:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  de: equivalent 

message: Perhaps "reverted" could be changed to "undone"? -- Karada 10:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Reverted" 

message: The comments  and  should be removed and replaced with one  to be consistent with the majority of warnings.  --Chris (talk) 00:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a side note, I notice that the current comment was introduced to allow bots to parse it easier.  Just a hint: it's a hell of a lot harder to parse it if it keeps changing.  Pick a comment format, and leave it the hell alone.  --Chris (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Done.--Commander Keane 16:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HTML comment 

message: :lb:Template:Test
--Briséis 12:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  lb equivalent 

message: On a minor note, the link that says "welcome page" should be changed to link to Wikipedia:Introduction  instead of Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers, which is a redirect. Dar-Ape 01:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Has been done.  Dar-Ape 02:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix redirected link 

message: Could someone add  to the template (within the <noinclude> tag)? I'd do it myself, but it is protected. EVula 18:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here to ask the same thing. — blobglob talk 01:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks you. — blobglob talk 19:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template addition