Talk:List of sports team names and mascots derived from indigenous peoples

message: Note that the name of the organization being portrayed is "National Congress of American Indians (NCAI)" as opposed to "National Congress of Native Americans (NCAI)". That is because while American Indians prefer to be known by their tribe name they mostly prefer "American Indian" over "Native American" to describe them collectively as the latter term is more confusing. "American Indian" is also the correct legal term recognized by the US government. In the future use "American Indian" or "indigenous people" which is the term used by the UN.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.181.191 (talk) 12:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improper terms 

message: I removed the  U of Alaska-Fairbanks Nanooks from the list. A nanook is a polar bear, and polar bears do not count as an indigenous people.  The word comes from an indiginous language, true, but the mascot is still an animal and not a people .
On Thermonuclear War 18:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: University of Alaska-Fairbanks

message: The Chiefs were named after Kansas City mayor H. Roe Bartle.  If his nickhame was "T-bone" then the Chiefs would be named the "T-bones."  So, the Chiefs were not named after Native Americans, but they were named after Mayor Bartle, who's nickname just happened to "Chief."  And Mayor Bartle did not get his nickname as "Chief" because of any Native American connection or reference.  Rather, he was nicknamed "Chief" because he would personally go to any 4-alarm fire with the Kansas City Fire Department while mayor.  His nickhame as "Chief" is from a Fire-Fighting reference, in no way connected to Native Americans.  Therefore, I think the Kansas City Chiefs should not be included on this list.
Burroughsks88 23:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to add this excerpt from the Kansas City Chiefs article to the discussion: "The name, "Chiefs" was selected by a fan contest, and is derived from Mayor Bartle, who 35 years prior, founded the Native American-based honor society known as The Tribe of Mic-O-Say within the Boy Scouts of America organization, which earned him the nickname, 'The Chief.'"  I definitely believe this team should be here, given the evidence Wahkeenah has provided above, in addition to this. Kurieeto 13:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for providing even more information on the subject. What do you think about retitling the article, to cover cases where the team is not, strictly speaking, "named for" Indians, but most certainly uses, or has used, Native American or other indigenous mascots, logos, etc.? Wahkeenah 13:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd definitely support this. Kurieeto 14:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Kansas City Chiefs]]

message: Is there a reason why "Indigenous" is capitalized in the article title?  I don't think it's a proper noun, and the Indigenous peoples article doesn't capitalize it. ~ Booya Bazooka 15:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you fix it? Funnyhat 23:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  capitalization 

message: I find it a little irresponsible that an overarching statement saying that over 80% of Native Americans "approve" of Indian-related mascot names is presented as fact in an encyclopedic context based on one survey from Sports Illustrated, a magazine prepared from a predominantly white, middle- and upper-class perspective for generally white, middle-class folk. This article makes no mention of the vast amount of data proposing just the opposite that comes from a variety of scholars as well as grassroots efforts from what this article dismisses as "rank-and-file" Indians. See Ward Churchill's "Crimes Against Humanity", see NARF's (http://www.narf.org) work in this area, see the American Anthropological Organization's efforts to retire sports mascots that can and do have lasting and damaging psychological effects across an entire group of peoples. Further, what distinguishes this particular situation from a team like the Celtics is that natives are victims of literal and metaphorical genocide. Picture a sports team in Germany called the Berlin Rabbis where at halftime a stereotypical mascot ran around with a yamulke and a Torah to boost crowd morale, and the absurdity of the team owner's stance that he was "honoring" Jewish heritage. And then picture a survey coming out in a German sports magazine, proclaiming that Jews vastly approved of this degradation, then presented in an encyclopedia as fact. I mean, come on. Frambach 19:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: where is your evidence that predominantly whites people read SI? of course I do have to admit a SI survey is not the most reliable source. The whole German/Rabbi thing is irrelevant. The fact that other persecuted groups have sports teams named after them is a valid point, as well as the fact the Fighting Irish is also uses a stereotypical caricature. Is this article about the controversy, or just a list?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rds865 (talk • contribs) 05:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 80%? Really?

message: I find it telling that those of privilege get to decide to maintain status quo so they are not inconvenienced more colonialistic pedagogy. Those who are ignorant of their own racist stance probably think Indigenous peoples should be flattered by their honoring with using our supposed images or representations as people who are brave and warriors. The reality is these views they have of Indigenous peoples of "the old west" because today they view most North American Indigenous peoples as lazy, alcholic,... peoples. I wonder how those same people who don't want to change their team mascots if Indigenous peoples started creating mascots such as the Arian Land Thieves, or Whiteman Givers, or Caucasian Crooks,...? I am sure if mascots were derived from supposed imagery of Jewish or African peoples changes would be made so to deservedly ablige them to be rid of the racist mascot along with an apology, but "83% of American Indian respondents to a Sports Illustrated poll said that professional teams should not stop using Indian nicknames". How can you re-victimize the victim who does not know they are being abused and victimized?" -added to article's lead by User:64.180.71.20 27 April 2010  (diff1 diff 2) - moved here by PrBeacon (talk) 23:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: removed [[WP:OR|OR]] content from lead

message: This article doesn't necessarily have to be limited to North America... but Vikings, Swedes, Saxons, Celts, etc. are not indigenous to North America, so teams in North America that reference them do not qualify. To keep in line with what the article is about, if a conquered people in Europe were used as the mascot by a school of the conquerors, then it would fit. Wahkeenah 19:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More about indigenous peoples 

message: I would like some feedback as to whether high schools within the scope of this page.  After a consensus is reached here, the introduction should be modified to clarify the point.  I would propose having a separate section for high schools, and if we do, I will add a bunch of information on Kansas high schools.  (Breaking up college and pro may also make sense.)  Any thoughts?  Kgwo1972 19:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  High schools? 

message: The arguments about the "Fighting Irish" and whatnot are not improving the project much.  I suggest that this list be changed to List of sports team names and mascots derived from indigenous peoples of North America or, perhaps. "of the Americas."  I also suggest that a parent list be started--perhaps List of sports team names and mascots based on ethnic terms or nationality.  There may be things happening elsewhere in the world similar to the controversy in North America that would eventually justify articles and separate lists for Europe, Asia, Africa or the Pacific Islands.  Somebody will have to decide where to put Hawaiian team names.--Hjal 02:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: to list the American Indians alone would remove some context. That is it would imply that only Indians are the groups used as inspiration for sports team names. The fact that some groups will name a team after themselves shows that the naming itself is not universally offensive. perhaps a note should be added saying that most nicknames derive from something localRds865 (talk) 06:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions to resolve the debate here 

message: Several colleges and high schools use the athletic team name, Maroons. Are there any cases in which the team name refers not to the color, but fugitive Black slaves? (One hopes not.)
Speaking of which, when Bugs Bunny called another character a maroon, was he calling him a moron or something more offensive? 
PlaysInPeoria 07:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maroons 

message: A seperate article has been created here: List of sports team names and mascots of European origin.  The article has been nominated for deletion so please if you believe a list of this nature has a place on Wikipedia make your opinion heard. Cmjc80 17:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soulution to European mascot names 

message: I'm just coming across this page for the first time.  I think it would make sense to make the prose its own article, something like Native American names in sports.  Although the text clearly has POV issues right now, it seems like a plenty important enough topic for an article.  --Allen 02:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why not separate article? 

message: There's a another article that covers ALL ethnic sports team names.  Renaming the current article with "Native American" in place of "indigenous" would avoid most of the controversy that has cropped up.  You'd lose a handful of teams in New Zealand and Hawaii, but the lead paragraphs, and the bulk of the team names are related to Native Americans.  This is article is a reasonably comprehensive list of Native American names (barring high schools), but is nowhere near complete if your looking at all Ethnic team names.  I'm going to be bold and remove all the non-indigenous team names from the article.  Go to List of ethnic sports team and mascot names if you want to add those somewhere.
I'm treating indigenous as meaning, "names which have been applied to people indigenous to the general area where the team is based" (general area meaning I'll give a pass to the Elora Mohawks mentioned above.
Exceptional cases; indigenous teams with indigenous names (left these in the list):
* Iroquois Nationals, the men's lacrosse team representing the Iroquois Confederacy in international competition
* Six Nations Chiefs (MSL), a team representing a First Nations reserve in Ontario that is home to members of all six Iroquois nations plus a band of the Lenape (aka Delaware) nation
* St. Regis Indians (MSL), a team representing a Mohawk reservation in New York
* New Zealand Māori, a New Zealand rugby union (and formerly rugby league) side whose members must be at least 1/16 Māori
* Carlisle Indians, a school for American Indians that was a college football power in the early 1900s
Indigenous names involving non-Native Americans (left these in the list):
* New York Yankees
* ULL Ragin' Cajuns
Yankees and Cajuns may not have inhabited NY/Louisiana since time immemorial, but as identifiable ethnic groups, they are certainly indigenous to these areas (assuming that "Cajun" is not the same as "Acadian")
Native American, but not indigenous, removed from the list: 
* Frölunda Indians Elitserien
Should be restored if the article were renamed (I notice that the ethnic group team name article has a few other European teams with Native American names)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.78.97.2 (talk) 21:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge this article with that one? PrBeacon (talk) 22:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of ethnic sports team and mascot names]] article

message: Apparently the Peoria Chiefs should be moved to "Defunct mascots," as they apparently didn't change their name but changed their mascot away from an American Indian chief and to a firefighter. Badagnani (talk) 18:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peoria Chiefs 

message: In the course of editing the article Native American mascot controversy (NAMC) I collected lists of names which I have added here. I notice that the opening section is an extensive outline of a particular issue regarding that controversy, but it is not a good summary of the contents of the list. I am thinking of moving much of that material to NAMC and re-writing this article's opening. There is also the problem of another list, List of ethnic sports team and mascot names, while have the semantically valid distinction between indigenous peoples and ethnic groups, have become mainly duplicates in terms of content. I see no point in maintaining both.FigureArtist (talk) 14:33, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Additions / Questions 

message: This has been added by three IP address; two of which have talk pages with warnings about bad edits. FriendlyFred (talk) 13:30, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The NY Yankees? Seriously? 

message: I broke down the list of HS in the Redskins section by state a while ago, and now regret it as being more difficult to maintain. I have changed it back to a school name list which is consistent with the other sections, in particular the longer list of "Indians". FriendlyFred (talk) 19:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redskins breakdown by state 

message: I though an article on a website by the WSJ would be good reference until I read that they used this article as a source for the number of teams using Braves, Redskins, and Indians. 
--FriendlyFred (talk) 15:51, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP used by news organization 

message: This a pet peeve of mine but there are several references in this and other articles related to this topic about 'principle' of a high school.  I believe the correct spelling is 'principal' of a high school.
DayDaemon (talk) 15:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Principal' - NOT 'principle' 

message: Someone has posted (under the reference to "Why Educators Can't Ignore "Indian" Sport Mascots:'Honoring Indians,' Questions for Consideration") the entire list.  In other words, the "article" has been duplicated in the Wiki page.  This isn't appropriate.  I left the reference (which more properly belongs under the "Controversy" page), but removed the detail of the list.  If a reader is interested in reading the list, they can click on the reference link.  This page is a LIST OF SPORTS TEAMS, not a list of grievances.
:It is not inappropriate to summarize the controversy in the opening section of the list, but yes the cited article needs to be paraphrased rather than quoted. I will do so.FriendlyFred (talk) 21:10, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If WP must present both sides, this includes editors seeking consensus rather than making a personal decision as to what is appropriate. FriendlyFred (talk) 20:06, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of "grievance" list 

message: There seems to be no consensus on how to handle teams that have made changes to their name or logo (or gone out of business) so that they no longer use indegenous imagery. There are both separate lists and lists that mix the two depending upon the section/subsection.
Also, Canadian Lacrosse was added to the "Pro" section although there was a mixture of Junior and Senior teams, and I do not know enough about the sport to make fine distinctions between amateur and semi-pro.
All of this brings up the question of the best way to maintain a list with a large number of minor contributors but no fanatics compared to other sports-related lists. If material is to be added randomly, it is not useful, but if the organization scheme is complex it is hard to maintain. There is also the issue of using sortable list templates in some sections, which makes editing an issue for those unfamiliar with it.
Looking for feedback, but if I get none I will likely simplify things somewhat. There is no obvious hierarchy but now it is not consistent from one part of the list to another. 
FriendlyFred (talk) 18:47, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization of this list

message: I have not spent much time on this list article, since I only use it as a reference/repository for data used in other articles I edit. There are obviously a number of editors that know about single teams or sports, and their addition to the list is essential given there is no easily accessible source for the same information. However to be useful a list must be organized and maintained in a consistent way, which is not always the case here, as I note above. I am willing to do the actual work of cleanup, but am requesting comments/agreement before I start.
I also plan to write a lead section that explains the relevancy of the list to other articles without getting into details. Beginning the list with the Native American mascot controversy tagged as "Main" but nothing else is not enough. 
The current hierarchy for the list is mainly:
*Current/Prior use of indigenous name/mascot
**Professional level: pro or semi-pro/amateur
***Within Pro: league where there is more than one for the same sport
****Alphabetical by sport
***Within Amateur: school/non-school
****Within school: college, secondary, intermediate, primary
****Within non-school: age Group (over 21, 18-21, teen, preteen, children)
*****Within all: alphabetical by indigenous name, then alphabetical by location (country, state or province, city) 
After cleanup, this hierarchy should be obvious from the TOC so new editor won't be entirely lost, and internal wikilinks can be used to help navigation.
The difficult case is US High Schools, since there are so many and more than one hierarchy might be wanted by different users, e.g. all of the teams named "Redskins" vs all of the indigenous name used in Oklahoma. A sortable list template would be the obvious solution but would need maintenance by someone familiar with the syntax and willing to do that much work (Not Me). I am opting for the existing name, location order.
Other issues:
There is only a short list of mascots, most of them defunct. There are obviously more, but I see no reason not to integrate the mascots with the team name list, since it is often the mascot/logo that identifies the name as indigenous, such as in the case of "Warriors".
There might be a separate section for teams with a majority of indigenous players (relevant for some, not always easy to identify), or could this be part of the non-list format lead section? There is also a small but interesting number of European teams that use "Indian" names.
It baffles me why the subsection of sports figures nick-named "Chief" is even here. Some could be merged into the team list, if they are relevant, such as Louis Francis "Chief" Sockalexis who is claimed by the Cleveland Indians as the justification for their name. Otherwise they are entirely off-topic and should be deleted. 
The fictional names are similar to the "In pop culture" sections in many articles, but could easily be deleted. The Mars Greenskins may be funny, but relevant?
FriendlyFred (talk) 05:33, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have gone ahead and added text to the lead section which is basically a definition of indigenous peoples, certainly the minimum content needed.FriendlyFred (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: List hierarchy

message: (Note: I have moved this section down to its correct chronological order)
This page describes the practice of naming teams after indigenous peoples in entirely negative terms and ignores the arguments in support of it, including from some indigenous groups. --BenMcLean (talk) 19:07, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There are separate articles on the controversy, but being a list there is no reason to cover anything other than the neutral, scholarly view of the subject. I know of no indigenous groups that support these names and mascots, only individuals.  FriendlyFred (talk) 15:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Navajo Code Talkers are a group. --BenMcLean (talk) 20:17, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Four individuals representing only themselves are not a group. The tribal council of the Navajo Nation voted to condemn the Washington team name.FriendlyFred (talk) 20:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Feminists are said to speak for all women. The ratio of speakers to the group they claim to speak for is about the same. --BenMcLean (talk) 13:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is mixing two different definitions of "group", one defined by opinions, the other by ethnic identity. While Feminists may think those that disagree with the principle of equality for women are mistaken, I do not think they claim to speak for all women (many feminists are men). Tribal governments and organizations restricted to members of Federally recognized tribes are unanimous in condemning native mascots. Such groups are the only ones that can be said to speak for Native Americans generally.FriendlyFred (talk) 16:22, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

text: This is a list article, with an opening section intended only to define what the list contains, not address all the issues involved. It defines "indigenous peoples" with reference to international law, which may be seen as political. The political controversy with regard to indigenous peoples focuses on what rights they have, not who they are. The link at the top of this list to the "Main" article covering the controversy should be sufficient. If there is an official statement by the KKK in support of maintaining Indian mascots, it should be added there with a citation to a reliable source. (PS. WP goes not ban alternative views on topics, it bans disruptive editing of topics...?)--WriterArtistDC (talk) 02:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extremely one-sided 

message: Although there are too many non-US examples on here to merit a "Globalise" tag, the page certainly needs to be made more international still. I've been trying to include examples from elsewhere, including Australian and New Zealand teams.-MacRùsgail (talk) 15:02, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but would not know how to help, having no familiarity with international sports. What would be interesting to me is whether the teams in other countries have mainly indigenous players, or not?FriendlyFred (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Too American

message: How do we know that the "arrows" nickname is actually from Native Americans? It's not even the actual name of a group or tribe arrows are also closely associated with European archery as well.--Prisencolin (talk) 06:36, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: As with the "Warriors" each school must be verified as using Native American imagery to go along with their name. Rechecking, I removed (commented-out) two that do not currently meet this criteria, and one in Havana, ND that does not appear to exist. The town has a declining population, now only ~71, so it may have been closed. WriterArtistDC (talk) 15:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Arrows"  

message: If the NFL team from Minnesota are excluded on the grounds the this list is for teams/mascots derived from 'peoples that are indigenous to the region where the team is also located' then why include teams like - 
Kaizer Chiefs, Exeter Chiefs and Malmo Redhawks as none of them make any reference to the relevant indigenous people of where they are located (Zulu/Xhosa/etc, Dumnonii/Celtic/Britons, Vikings).
- or is this primarily a list of teams with names relating to indigenous peoples of the Americas (and a few indigenously named AUS/NZ teams) regardless of where these teams are based - as could be interpreted from the statement that 'the Celtic peoples in their native lands ... lies outside of the scope of this article' which would explain why there is no mention of teams like CA Osasuna, a soccer team from Spain with a Basque name. EdwardUK (talk) 16:43, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It has never been mentioned, but teams located in Europe or the UK using names derived from Native Americans do not belong on this list. If the Vikings and Celtics are excluded, these "Chiefs" must be also. There are so few teams/mascots derived from 'peoples that are indigenous to other regions' there would not be enough for their own list.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 00:53, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved short list of non-American "Indians" to opening section.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 01:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Vikings a non-indigenous people (or just not indigenous to America)? 

message: I have removed this team from the list of fictional teams for several reasons1. nothing to indicate name clearly relates to an american indigenous group - it could be European instead, and google image search for "warbury warriors mascot" shows what appears to be a blue elephant 2.Teambased in England - so even if name is 'indigenous' their location places them outside the scope of the article EdwardUK (talk) 14:51, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  warbury warriors (striker comic) 

message: This list is very difficult to maintain given its coverage of the entire world, which also leads to questions regarding what belongs here.
There could be seperate lists based upon continents and for North America also levels of play:
* List of professional team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of North America
* List of collegiate team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of North America
* List of amateur team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of North America
* List of team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of South America
* List of team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of Asia 
* List of team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of Africa
* List of team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of Europe
* List of team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of Australia
All of these drop the word "sports" which seems redundant. The current list would contain whatever content applies to all others.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 02:22, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Proceeding with the above, but first moving some content from here to List of ethnic sports team and mascot names, which I am also revising.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 02:30, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Splitting is a good idea. Is there going to be enough teams to satisfactorily populate lists for Australia/New Zealand (Oceania?), Asia, Europe, and Africa? Small lists are okay, but in cases like this it risks burying info. It might be simpler to have this still be a list which also acts as a list-of-lists, similar to List of international schools, for example, which links to sublist articles when they exist. Grayfell (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I think that the article List of ethnic sports team and mascot names could become such a list of lists, with geographic sections for the short lists and links seperate articles on the North American lists. See: Talk:List_of_ethnic_sports_team_and_mascot_names#Distinguishing_two_related_lists_and_what_the_lead_section_should_contain--WriterArtistDC (talk) 07:07, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Article size: Rename / split?

message: Since the three elementary schools have dropped Native American references, I removed that section. There may be other schools, but no good source of information, since ES sports are inter-mural and not publicized, and team names/mascots are not often mentioned, even of the school's own site.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 04:36, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Reducing article

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message: References: team that is changing its name.
Youth lacrosse would be a new category in the list.
--WriterArtistDC (talk) 03:18, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youth lacrosse teams 

message: In spite of the list title, which is already wordy, the opening section defines the topic as indigenous peoples of the Americas. There could be another list of team names such as Vikings, Celtics, etc.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 14:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The United Nations definition of Indigenous Peoples is "the descendants.. of those who inhabited a country or a geographical region at the time when people of different cultures or ethnic origins arrived. The new arrivals later became dominant through conquest, occupation, settlement or other means." Spartans do not fit this definition. WriterArtistDC (talk) 18:07, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of off-topic section 

message: Difficult to gauge what counts on this page? Blyth 'Spartans' does not for example. Well OK, Blyth was not a homeland for the native Spartans, neither was Scotland, Prague or Rotterdam. However, Exeter Chiefs was removed, despite the British Dumnonii Neolithic tribe dominating the area of modern day Exeter for 4000 years & having a Chief. Why was was it scrubbed?
:The UN definition of Indigenous peoples requires that there are current descendants that maintain the language and cultural traditions of the people named, and identify as such. As an American with 66% Irish and Scottish ancestry, I would agree that all the Celtic speaking peoples in the UK (but not their descendants in Boston) qualify as Indigenous. Is this true of the Dumnonii? If not, they are one of the ancestral people of Britain, as the Spartans are of Greece.
:Exeter attracted attention only because they dropped an American Indian logo and adopted the Dumnonii to continue being the Chiefs. I had not gone over the list to check if there are other ancestral peoples added, but Aztecs and Mayans qualify for removal also. In the US, the San Diego State Aztecs were not cited by the NCAA as having a Native American mascot, and it remains.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 14:36, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradictions?