Talk:Operation Bribie

message: The translation of the insult is wrong, either out of incompetence or deliberate Political correctness by the translator YellowMonkey  (cricket photo poll!) paid editing=POV 07:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted... yeah, probably the later. Do you think we should change it or go with the wording 'loosely translated'? Cheers. Anotherclown (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The relevant volume of the official history On the Offensive states that it was "translated in soldier's vernacular as, 'Get fucked Australians'" (p. 111). I've seen other sources which used 'stuffed' in placed of 'fucked' though, presumably to avoid offense. However, if 'fucked' is good enough for the official history then it's clearly what Wikipedia should use. Nick-D (talk) 11:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When I see wrong translations or info I tend to just eschew the piece of information.....but with translations sometimes I just my own in there. YellowMonkey  (cricket photo poll!) paid editing=POV 01:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  BTW I have now reworded this further following the re-write, as the previous language I had used was admittadly a little euphamistic. Essentially I have adopted the language used in McNeill and Ekins, per Nick above. Anotherclown (talk) 10:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operation Bribie 

message: 'Đụ mẹ Úc Đại Lợi' literally means "F*** your mother, Australia(ns)!"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.22.19.30 (talk) 04:39, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the above discussion. Cheers. Anotherclown (talk) 10:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  DU ME UC DAI LOI 

message: Surely this counts as a defeat?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyphatma (talk • contribs) 07:32, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They're already cited in the article - Horner, McNeill and Coulthard Clark are all reputable scholars. IMO it's difficult to say its a defeat given likely communist casualties (50 to 70 killed), but impossible to claim as an Australian victory given their casualties too (nearly a whole platoon). Hence 'inconclusive'. Anotherclown (talk) 08:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not to mention that both sides abandoned the battlefield. Anotherclown (talk) 09:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In my recent email exchange with Dave Sabben on February 8 2011, a veteran of Long Tan who was present during Bribie, had this to  say about the result: 
"I was at Operation Bribie and can confirm the Australians lost there. That was one Australian Company from 6RAR against more than 1 VC Company from D445. It was a loss for the Australians, but I would not consider it a "major" battle as it had no strategic importance like Long Tan did."Canpark (talk) 11:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Gary McKay, who fought at the Battle of Nui Le, also had this to say: Operation Bribie is a different kettle of fish and if you read the Official account you would be hard pressed to find a claim that it was victory. In my opinion the Australians were lucky to get out of the Bribie battle with as few casualties as they did.Canpark (talk) 12:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  probably the closest the Australians came to defeat in a major battle during the war