Talk:Bottled water

message: Yes, I agree -- it would definitely be useful to include such a section and am surprised there is not one already. Mrzubrow (talk) 03:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: History of bottled water?

message: It seems that the writer sells home water purification systems.  The article seems quite biased ====
Sdfer (talk) 08:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: =  Some points are somewhat valid but the article lacks citations and more statistical references

message: There is a common understanding that drinking a lot of purified water can be bad for you (ostensibly because it will absorb minerals that would otherwise be consumed by your body).  However, I could only find one clear article describing this and it is widely disseminated, by Zoltan P. Rona MD, MSc.  Unfortunately the vast majority of the web sites that contain this article are trying to sell water purifiers or water itself and therefore are suspect sources of material.  Can anyone provide information about whether drinking purified water is good or bad for you in the short or long-term and add to this article? -- S. Gartner talk 02:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Health aspects of drinking purified water

message: I've read the article titled There's No Such Thing as Pure Water, and I realize it's written by a biased ecologist working for a water purification company; however, he makes a very good point that there is a misconception about the word "pure" applied to water. Water is an acid and naturally bonds with other chemicals to reach a level of neutrality that is safe for consumption. The Wikipedia article makes multiple mentions of pure water with no apparent understanding that you can't just have a bottle with only H2O in it. For example, the line "Even if the water itself is pure, a plastic container may leak chemicals into the bottled water," gives the impression that such a pure water exists. Is there an expert that can clarify this in the article? Lackthereof 19:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Pure" Water is Undefined

message: Great to see such an informative, objective and un-biased article *rolleyes*
What are your objections?  RickK 22:44, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
I don't think this article conforms to a high standard, it seems very biased against bottled water. The whole tone of the article is anti-bottled water. As well as that, it needs some tidying. - Joolz
: Statements such as I don't think and it seems are personal views. Unless you can be more specific and back up your feelings I suggest we drop the NPOV tag. The points made on the unhealthy aspects of bottled water and the controls of it is backed up by links and much published articles in the past (such as the uranium and benzene contaminated bottled water).
::I posted that months ago (before I learnt how to tag my name on the end ;) The NPOV tag was added today, and not by me. Also, you may note that I talked about the tone of the article. You may also notice I've outlined some of the problems I've had with this article below, which have been resolved now. -- Joolz 16:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you create an article called Anti-Bottled-water-ism? Then you can create the Bottled-Water-Driking-Wikipedians' Notice Board, and go through Wikipedia with a fine-toothed comb subtly changing the wording of various articles to paint Bottled Water in a more positive light. Colonel Mustard 03:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias Against Bottled Water

message: Is there any source to the "fact" that Evian water sold in the US is actually made from US springs? How about Perrier? David.Monniaux 09:25, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Source about Evian

message: You say that Evian would not produce differently tasting water marketed for different countries.  
You may want to note that Cadbury produces different tasting chocolate worldwide based on the taste pallete of the respective consumer country.
From the web site www.mineralwaters.org you can choose a list of bottled water by country, where you will also find Evian mineralization table, there are two with different structures and total dissolved solids, this is a clear indication that two different springs are used in bottling Evian.
:That is simply not enough evidence to back up such claims, according to Evian all their water comes from France. That isn't to say that they don't have two sources very nearby, and there can be a variety of reasons why there are two different types listed on that site. The site does not explain why, and you've simply leapt to a conclusion.
:I'm going to remove the claim because it is unsubstantiated, and quite possibly libelous.
:-- Joolz 23:32, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different Tastes 

message: umm...I don't really know if you guys agree, but this doesn;t sound very neutral. From the dawn of humanity? exgeratted
for thousands of years, people have been making deliberate use of the fact that water flows downhill all by itself. [1] [2] For some hundreds of years, technology has existed to pump water under pressure on a wide scale, enabling it to be stored at altitude, and self-feed under gravity on-demand [3]. This practice has become so wide-spread in the English-speaking world, that the phrase 'on-tap' has become synonymous with'on-demand'.
Putting it into little containers and lugging it around is comparitively inefficient, both in terms of energy and time. This has been known since the dawn of humanity, when we drank from natural pipes and reservoirs known as rivers, lakes, and wells. It is these same natural pipes, which have supported earth's life since the very dawn of time, that are becoming poisoned and polluted by the plastics we discard, and the chemicals and residue from production and shipping of the plastic bottles which contain the bottled water which now enamours so many.
The pointer outer 02:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? 

message: I added the NPOV check template to this page, it seems to my eyes to be very biased against the bottled water industry, and sometimes industry as a whole. If someone with more experience could edit this to make it NPOV, that would be great.--24.123.252.46 22:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Large relevent sections have been removed by someone under the guise of "NPOV". This happens so frequently on so many wikimedia pages that I don't have the heart to restore the article. Simply be warned that the page does not contain all that is true, and possibly even some of what it contains is untrue. Use the history feature yourself to uncover what has been written on the subject of bottled water, and decide for yourself. This should be boiler plate material in big letters superimposed over every wikimedia page, but until then, good bye and good luck. -- Joojabber 11:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: perhaps this is a 'no duh' comment, but everything on this page appears to be written from the prospective of someone with computer access; that is, someone who has access, at all times, to potable water, just a few steps away at thier sink. just some food for thoght. Pellaken 00:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV, first world centric 

message: Bottled water is a very contentious topic, and there are many both good and bad aspects to it. A "neutral" article can be both negative and positive, so long as it is honest.
I will try to redo parts of this over time -- I direct an independent research institute working on water (wiki Pacific Institute). I've taken a crack at the first sections, which now should be far more "NPOV." Comments welcome.
PGleick 04:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV, good idea/still needs help 

message: What about adding some information on taste tests, which have often shown that tap water is preferred.  CoolGuy 18:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: not all water taste the same. KyraWilliams (talk) 22:26, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taste 

message: This article has many citations and that's good, but the citations ought to use the Wikipedia footnotes. I've taken the few with descriptions and thrown them in  ... 's. This needs to happen with the rest. -- Mobius 04:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: I have removed the following from the article, as it is clear in an edit at the Village Pump that the user who added it is attempting to use the article as a web server to store his data: Corvus cornix 21:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improper use of Wikipedia page

message: Environmental Working Group  is launching a new investigation into bottled water--where it comes from, what's done to "purify" it, and if it's even worth the expense. We need help building our label database, so if you've got any water bottles handy we'd appreciate it if you took a few minutes to add your information to the list below.
Please note: Since we'll be dumping the contents of the list into a database at some point, we need the fields to be consistent and as typo-free as possible. We're open to comments and suggestions on improving our methods. 
:List removed. Since it is inappropriate to add original research to Wikipedia, I can't how conducting original research on Wikipedia is any better.  Set up a wiki on your own site. - BanyanTree 20:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't set up your own wiki!  We have a wiki for original research, Wikiversity. It is looking for potential research ideas. --Rayc 21:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bottled Water Investigation 

message: The 3rd link under references is broken.155.247.166.28 08:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Broken Link in References

message: I suggest this section be reworded to be more applicable to the article:
::"Bottled water processed with distillation or reverse osmosis lacks fluoride ions which are sometimes naturally present in groundwater, or added at a water treatment plant and which has an effect on the inhibition of cavity formation; the drinking of distilled water may conceivably increase the risk of tooth decay due to a lack of this element."
Sure many bottled waters are distilled to remove impurities, but I don't know of any company that sells distilled water for use as consumption (minerals are added). For anyone who has tried, distilled water tastes horrible and I'm pretty sure it's not safe for consumption in large quantities. If no one drinks distilled bottled water, than who cares if it increases tooth decay? Distilled water ≠ bottled water.
I think it would be interesting if a section would be posted that listed how the water of major brands is manufactured. Many brands are distilled (aka deionized), undergo reverse osmosis, or are simply pumped from the ground, but I'm assuming they all aren't the same. It might be noted that all water that is distilled or RO'd is essentially 99.999% the same, whether it came from the well of the gods or a sewage plant. The list might also show which methods resulted in water not achieving government quality tests. Did straight well water (artesian springs, etc) cause the contamination or was it the manufacturers' fault. I personally think these are important things to know. Maybe unadulterated Fiji water, that was transported halfway around the world, didn't pass the inspection because it wasn't purified?
People think water from different locations on the earth is special. This article should reinforce that all water is the same. H20 is H20, the only difference is the additives...which any factory can supply or remove. Hopefully we can save people money and a bit of the earth by letting people know specialty water in a neat little square bottle has no real value over water distilled from urine. LostCause 01:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distilled Water Inaccuracy & Suggested Addition 

message: "Many believe that bottled water is no better than tap water and that home water filtration may also be a viable option."
Does this statement refer to the microbial and/or chemical quality of the water? Or to its aesthetic qualities? And who are the "many"!? Research done in the UK and Finland has confirmed that microbial and chemical quality of bottled water may be worse than tap water from public supplies in both of those countries - this is based on the standards and the frequency of checks, although I am keen to see reports on this that actually quantify the difference. Parametric chemical and microbiological standards in Europe for bottled water are generally lower than those for tap water. As for aesthetics (taste, colour, odour etc.), blind tastings of chilled bottled and tap water frequently indicate that consumers cannot consistently tell the difference between the two, particularly if the tap water has been left to stand for a few minutes to allow for the evaporation of any residual chlorine. Jimjamjak (talk) 16:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear 

message: "Many countries such as the United Kingdom, have water that is adequate for drinking on tap, due to filters in the plumbing infrastructure."
I am considering deleting this sentence. I don't understand what this claim is referring to. Water that emerges from a water supplier's treatment plant is entirely fit for drinking. Nothing in the distribution system increases the quality of this water. Residual chlorine is likely to decrease with time (and therefore distance) in the distribution system, disinfection by-products may increase or decrease in concentration as they move through the system (the same for microbes, metals and other pollutants), but this has nothing to do with "filters in the plumbing infrastructure". Jimjamjak (talk) 16:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filters in plumbing system... 

message: Windsor is looking to join other Canadian cities in banning bottled water in municipal facilities:
http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=2d782126-9b6b-41d6-9d02-bb399a262f00
An interesting number for this page might be the New York EPA's figure: if you buy two 1-liter bottles of water a day it will cost you $1200 a year; the same amount from the tap would cost 50 cents a year. (They issue a magazine-like report every year that's mailed to NY residents). swain (talk) 04:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More backlash against bottled water 

message: Bottled water is a good example of how capitalism can brainwash you in order to sell you something that is free(and of good quality). Compagnies are really good, because they've created a need to buy something that is free. They created a myth that tap water is not good! Maybey in the third world tap water is not good, but in North America it is! I laughed when I saw air can in Spaceball, but if we follow that logic, It'll be the next step!!!  --Preceding unsigned comment added by Acce (talk • contribs) 18:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selling something that is free! 

message: The main article contains this sentence 'The University of Cincinnati recently completed a "Tap Water Quality Analysis" for major US cities.' with a link to to the study and a suggestion that most municipal water is 'safe' rather than safe (no scare-quotes). This study was funded by Pur filter company, and there is little data about the way the study was conducted. Lead may be introduced through building pipes rather than the municipal source, and it is not clear which was the source in each city. Either this section should be shortened, or a more detailed discussion of safe levels should be linked.
Dialectric (talk) 02:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of Cincinnati "Tap Water Quality Analysis" 

message: Here's another study, it states Bottled water contains disinfection byproducts, fertilizer residue, and pain medication. Hope it helps in improving this article. Best wishes. Universalsuffrage (talk) 21:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chemical contaminants in bottled water

message: Am I the only one who finds the example of donating 648 liters of water kind of silly? It's all fine of course, but that's just over half a cubic meter! We're talking bathtub scale here, people.  --Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.220.131.177 (talk) 13:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, I removed the whole section, it really wasn't pertinent to the article.  A new name 2008 (talk) 13:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emergency response? 

message: For Grundle2600: Here are the problems I see with your additions: the claims belong to the authors of the op-ed, not to the SF Chronicle. Opinion pieces are not enough for establishing broad truth claims, so another source is needed. And there are two distinct claims here, one about the cost of water and the other about federal standards.
I decided to I look these up myself. The first originates from the NRDC, and I'll get to that in a moment. The second one I can't find at all, but as I said before, it is contradicted by SEC. 410. [21 USC 349] Bottled drinking water standards.. If there is a better source with specific information, that could be a different story.
So the NRDC material also fits better under the Tap water vs. bottled water section, and I've added the claim there using more specific language. I have not made up my mind entirely about the placement of the Penn & Teller sketch, but the extensive quoting from John Stossel (another opinion columnist) is also undesirable. I've rewritten this again in a more encylopedic style, and left it in the same section for now. --Ten Thousand Bullets (talk) 00:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Your changes are fine with me. Grundle2600 (talk) 00:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  SF Chronicle vs. NRDC report and Penn & Teller 

message: Why is this template at the bottom of the page? swain (talk) 14:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adventure travel? 

message: # International Bottled Water Association
# British Bottled Water Producers
Is this link spam? --Stone (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Removed the opening line that says you can get it free from a tap, in not so many words.  First, you can't get bottled water from a tap - you get it from the store or from one of the water delivery guys.  If you get it from a tap, it's tap water.  Second, the article is about bottled water, not how you can get water from a tap in lieu of bottled water - and aside from that, this aspect is covered in the cost aspect section. --Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 23:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually per , , , ,  a sizable amount of bottled water is in reality tap water so the statement was factually accurate while also misleading.--BruceGrubb (talk) 14:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bottled water from a tap 

message: I have merged the article Bottled water phenomenon into this article and redirected. The 'bottled water phenomenon' article was largely redundant, as all of its major verifiable content is already covered here.
Aspirex (talk) 11:52, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant article merged into this one 

message: How about a list of companies selling bottled water and a bit about each one's products?  For instance, in Europe, the specific mineral content of certain sources is considered important.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggested addition 

message: I have to raise doubt about reference 9 used in this article that drinking bottled water may put you at cavity risk. While opening reference 9 it shows no actual study data. It is merely an opinion of some people working in dental field. And it sounds word of mouth. If an actual scientific study can be linked, that bottled water would result in cavity, then the argument is valid. But reference 9 is purely "he said, she said" type of article. That is not really a fact backed by scientific research. There are lots of studies shown on internet. I would request to either show such study link, or remove reference 9 from being used.  Furthermore reference 9 emphasizes on one 3 year old kid who had cavity and the dentist suspects it was maybe due to lack of fluoridated water. That is hardly a groundbreaking finding. One 3 year old's cavity example should not be used as a claim. Please find better source or remove it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.164.126 (talk) 14:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference number 9 disputed 

message: Reference #13 is a dead link.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.174.105 (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Link 

message: I came here to find a simple fact--when did bottled water become popular in the US.  I couldn't find that, which one would think would be one of the first pieces of information given.  Instead, I found nearly the entire page devoted to why bottled water is bad.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.0.29 (talk) 13:59, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not an encyclopedic entry, rather it is an agenda driven piece 

message: This article seems to have a lot of coverage of the controversies associated with bottled water, and subsequently ends up not sounding very neutral. I have added an 'undue weight' template message for the time being. Hope a few editors would be willing to help balance it out. Knyzna1 (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight 

message: This article reads in part as if it is only in the USA that concerns over bottled water exists. A little more balance is urgently needed.  Velella  Velella Talk   18:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: USA bias

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message: Drink More Water, hydrating your body is important no matter what type it is. 
(Don Bev (talk) 22:46, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hydration  

message: I am unable to determine whether any commercial bottled water bottles survive freezing temperatures.  Partially filled bottles can survive water's expansion as it freezes, at least in some shapes.
Emergency preparedness in freezing climates requires knowing this answer.
Can someone contribute this knowledge?  It's surprising that Ready.gov and bottled water manufacturers do not discuss it.
(Issues of high Storage temperatures for plastic bottles are separate and seem fraught)
Wth727 (talk) 14:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bottled water storage in freezing temperatures 

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thread_title:  Nomination of [[:Portal:Bottled water]] for deletion 

message: Suggestion that some text in the Concerns section be looked at again, specifically:
"In some cases it can be shown that bottled water is actually tap water.[76] However, it is also argued that the quality specifications for some bottled waters in some jurisdictions are more stringent than the standards for tap-water. In the US, bottled water that comes from municipal suppliers must be clearly labeled as such unless it has been sufficiently processed to be labeled as "distilled" or "purified".[77]"
 
The articles provided give no evidence for "quality specifications for some bottled waters in some jurisdictions are more stringent than the standards for tap-water." Perhaps list some areas in which this is true, with actual sources. ETAPx (talk) 16:48, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerns 

message: I don't know if it is proper to have such an entry here on Wikipedia. I am simply providing this information for your consideration. 
Biophoton-energized water - a type of water with molecules that are infused with a high concentration of biophotons from biophoton generators.
The entry, of course, would require a brief article explaining it more. 
I'd appreciate your feedback.
MediStreet (talk) 19:35, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No we don't list pseudo-scientific bunk, not without WP:MEDRS compliant sourcing. MrOllie (talk) 19:59, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't ask your opinion. Of course, compliant sourcing certainly makes sense. Thank you for your most "professional" reply. MediStreet (talk) 13:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure. MrOllie (talk) 14:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new type of bottled water is entering the market 

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