Talk:List of classical pianists (recorded)

message: This page is a reminder of all the pianists who need an entry on Wikipedia. 
I've set myself the task of putting up a rudimentary entry on one new pianist a week. I'll see if I can stick to it.
And, of course, all pianophiles are welcome to add their heros and heroines (or even bete noirs!). But don't just add names - write biographies too!
Rconroy 17:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: I've made a case at Talk:List of classical pianists for merging this list with that one, and calling it simply "Classical pianists".
Please give me your thoughts over there.  --  JackofOz (talk) 04:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with "List of classical pianists"

message: I corrected the entry for Ioana Maria Lupascu to point to her Wikipedia article; whoever added her had set up the link to go only to her home page.  One other pianist (coincidentally also in the L section) also has a home page link, although as a supplement to, not a substitute for, a Wikipedia internal link.  I left that one be and preserved Lupascu's link in the same format pending discussion here.  Do we want such things included in this list?  On the one hand, they seem more appropriate fare for individual articles on the artists in question than for a generalized list, and setting ground rules for when to include a link and which link to include for inactive artists could be dicey.  On the other, a single clearinghouse for artist site links might be useful.  Ideas?  Comments?  Drhoehl (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to Home Pages

message: I've been of the impression this list encompasses pianists who made commercial recordings but not those who only cut reproducing rolls.  If that's the case, then regrettably Teresa Carreño must go, as she falls in the latter category.  I'm going to put a flag by her name for the time being pending further discussion of this issue. Drhoehl (talk) 23:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rolls?

message: Spurred by the proposal to merge this list with the general list of classical pianists and ensuing discussion there, I've started going through the two letter-by-letter with an eye toward straightening out who goes where.  So far, I've found that the "general" list is seriously underpopulated, but it does contain at least a few names inappropriately omitted from this one.  Inevitably, questions also arise that call for further investigation, more than I can undertake just now if the project isn't to bog down completely.  Therefore, I'm opening this discussion section as a repository for notes on the subject. Drhoehl (talk) 23:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Chick Corea recorded the Mozart concerto for 2 pianos with Fridrich Gulda, so we must welcome him to the ranks of recorded classical pianists. It's a good performance, too. Rconroy (talk) 17:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: An anonymous user claiming to be a friend of Willy Weng has removed that name from the general list, explaining that Weng himself added it as a joke. Drhoehl (talk) 23:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Coordination with [[List of classical pianists]]

message: Victor Borge appears on the general list of classical pianists.  He certainly made recordings, but, without for one minute denying the delightfulness of his act, I must ask, is he truly a "classical pianist" within the scope of this list?  If so, we should add him, but I have refrained from doing so pending discussion. Drhoehl (talk) 23:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: B

message: I found six "c" names in the general list that were omitted here.  Quick checks revealed that four had made recordings, and I added them to the "recorded" list.  The other two are John Chen and Edgar Coleman.  If anyone knows that they have recorded, feel free to add them. Drhoehl (talk) 23:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Chick Corea recorded the Mozart concerto for 2 pianos with Fridrich Gulda, so we must welcome him to the ranks of recorded classical pianists. It's a good performance, too. Rconroy (talk) 17:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: C

message: Dror Elimelech appears on the general list; my impression is that he is more of a composer than a performer, and I found no mention that he has made recordings as a pianist.  If I'm mistaken, somebody please add his name here. Drhoehl (talk) 01:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: E

message: Nina Feric appears on the general list and apparently at one time had a Wikipedia article; as best I can tell, it was deleted, and a quick Google search turned up little else about her, at least on sites written in English.  I have left the name on the other list but have not moved it here.  Does it belong here?  Should it be deleted from the other list? Drhoehl (talk) 00:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: F

message: Does Soo Han actually belong on this list?  The bio that emerged from a Google search indicates he directs the New World Philharmonic Youth Orchestra and has held other conductorial posts; it further indicates that he has studied piano, but it makes no mention of a pianistic career or any recordings in that capacity.  I'm leaving his name on this list pending discussion but not copying over to the general list of classical pianists. Drhoehl (talk) 20:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: H

message: Jay Chou appeared under "J" on the general list.  I have removed him there and refrained from including him here; although he has recorded a number of discs, a quick skim of his Wikipedia article suggests that he is not really a classical pianist, but rather is a pop star who incorporates some classical elements into his work. Drhoehl (talk) 21:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: J

message: Under "K" I found, and provisionally included, what appears to be another instance of a performer available in recording only by download: Evgeni Kostitsyn (see discussion of this issue infra).  I did not annotate the entry, but the sole recording of Kostitsyn as pianist that I saw was via a link from his Wikipedia article. Drhoehl (talk) 21:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: K

message: I did not transfer Witold Lutosławski to this list, as I found him in recordings only as a conductor, not as a pianist.  Similarly, I did not transfer Utsav Lal, because a hasty search turned up no indication that he has appeared on commercial recordings as yet.  I left Lal's name on the general list on grounds that one who plays Indian classical music on the piano falls within the scope of "classical pianist" as these two lists use the term, a proposition that may warrant further discussion. Drhoehl (talk) 00:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: L

message: Matt McCarrin and Anthony Molinaro appear in the general list but raise questions.  The former claims to be a "distinguished classical pianist" on his web site, but as far as I can see he has been more a jazz performer, and what he mentions about recordings seems to fall into that category as well.  I'm taking him at his word and leaving him in the general list, but I haven't copied him over to this one.  The latter also seems mostly to inhabit the jazz or popular world; again, I'm leaving his name in the general list but not copying it over.  I leave it to others more versed in these performers' work to address their listings more definitely. Drhoehl (talk) 00:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: M

message: Two "P" names cropped up on the "general" list that seem questionable there and for which I could find no grounds for incorporation here.  John Park did not appear as a pianist in my quick Google search, and the Wikipedia article under that name refers to a 19th century soldier who won the Victoria Cross, not a pianist.  A casual search found Richard Peng only as part of a name listed in a Sibelius site bio; the subject plays piano and several other instruments and appears not to focus on classical piano.  I will adjust the Park entry so that it no longer points to the soldier.  I will also fix the Perkinels' listings to incorporate their umlauts. Drhoehl (talk) 23:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: P

message: Whether Adnan Sami has made any recordings as a classical pianist is unclear.  Moreover, like Utsav Lal, supra, he is noted for performing Indian classical music on the piano; whether such music is within the scope of the "classical pianists" lists strikes me, without taking sides, as a matter calling for discussion.  Hence, I have not copied his name to the recorded pianists list.  Similarly, I did not copy over Giancarlo Scalia, as whether he has made any recordings as a classical pianist is also unclear.  Vasily Safonov certainly could have made recordings (d. 1918), but I haven't seen reference to any, and it seems that by the time recordings were common he was active mainly as a conductor.  I'm leaving him be and mention the matter only potentially to alert those who are more knowledgeable than I.  Drhoehl (talk) 23:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: S

message: I have removed Hans von Bülow, because as far as I can tell he made no recordings.  If I'm mistaken, someone please put him back.  The general classical pianists list contains several "V" names of relatively young artists who seem not to have recorded: Andrea Vasi, Giovanni Velluti, Andrew von Oeyen.  I therefore did not copy them over to the recorded pianists list.  I also did not copy over Nick van Bloss who, sadly, appears to have entered a forced retirement before having an opportunity to record.  Again, if I'm mistaken about any of these names, please add them. Drhoehl (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: V

message: More names of young artists appearing on the general list but apparently not yet recorded: Li Wang, Yuja Wang, Willy Weng.  At least one or two appear still to be students, suggesting they may not be sufficiently notable for the general list.  Of a pianist named Peter Warren I could find no trace; Google was not forthcoming, and the Wikipedia link under that name is to a disambiguation page containing only one musician, described as "American contemporary funk-o-metric artist."  As with the others, I left his name on the general list but did not copy him over. Drhoehl (talk) 21:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An anonymous user claiming to be a friend of Willy Weng has removed that name from the general list, explaining that Weng himself added it as a joke. Drhoehl (talk) 23:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: W

message: In reviewing the "I" listings of this and the general classical pianists list, I found that Ivan Ilić has issued "CD" recordings, but as best I can tell they are available only as downloads from iTunes.  Does that count as "recorded" for purposes of this list?  I'm going to vote a provisional "yes" and include him here with a note, subject to further discussion. Drhoehl (talk) 20:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ilić's CD of Debussy appeared in print a couple of months after I wrote the foregoing, and an anonymous user quite appropriately has removed the annotation next to Ilić's name on the list.  Thanks, whoever you are.  As instances of "download only" releases grow more common, however, this question will persist, and I'd still suggest that some discussion of how to treat them is warranted. Drhoehl (talk) 20:11, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Technology Marches On; Should This List Follow the Same Drummer?

message: I have been unable to determine whether commercial recordings exist for the following names, all from or presumed from the recorded era, added to the general list since its coordination with this one:
*Winifred Byrd
*David Chung
*Denoe Leedy
*Harold Morris
*Madeline Schiller
*Thi Tran
If you know of any such recordings, please add the appropriate name(s) to the list and delete it or them here. Drhoehl (talk) 22:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually opened a discussion section for that very issue supra when it arose regarding Teresa Carreño, because, to be honest, I'm not quite sure how we ought to proceed.  One could argue that rolls would more appropriately be the subject of another list, something like "Classical pianists (reproducing rolls)," but I'm not sure any of us wants to open yet another specialized listing of that sort.  (That said, it would be interesting, and at least by its nature it, unlike the others, would be finite!)  Anent Carreño, I took a provisional approach, for which I claim no authority beyond "well, I have to do something," pending discussion--which I would welcome!  Although I seem to have assumed the role of ad hoc custodian for this list at the moment, I'm neither its creator nor, certainly, the most qualified candidate, and I'd really like to hear thoughts from other users, especially regular contributors like you. Drhoehl (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Names From General List of Uncertain Recording Status

message: *Aria Chelabian I found no evidence on the Web of a pianist by this name, recorded or not; while that by itself is not conclusive, the name was also placed out of order in the list and was not added to the general list of classical pianists.  Therefore, I'm pulling the entry subject to further action by more knowledgeable editors. Drhoehl (talk) 00:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names Removed 

message: This list contains a large amount of red links. Personally I wouldn't mind removing them, which shouldn't take too long to do, but if there is a consensus to keep them I will not take action. Regards, Danmuz (talk) 18:44, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP:LISTPEOPLE, we should only have redlinks if they are accompanied by references to reliable sources — otherwise it's difficult to tell the notables from the vanity entries.  However a quick glance over the list shows there are many notable names that show in red.  Some of these may be mis-spellings, but many would appear to be pianists for whom articles would be appropriate.  Perhaps rather than removing all the redlinks immediately we should declare a period of grace for references to be added or articles created.  But in principle I agree that most of the redlinks should be removed.  --Deskford (talk) 18:43, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For some of the most obviously notable redlinks I've added interwiki links.  These might help in finding reliable sources and/or creating articles, should anyone wish to do so.  --Deskford (talk) 20:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

text: There is not consensus for the redlinks as you can clearly see from the above discussion. I see you've already been made aware of the guideline. If you don't have time to write entries for each person, there should at least be reliable citations possible for the given redlinks. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 20:22, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A guideline is only a guideline. If the consensus of editors at this page is in favor of redlinks, then they should stay. Personally, I would favor keeping them, since redlinks are intended to bring notice of articles that need to be written. The addition of the interlanguage links is consistent with this idea and clearly a constructive and useful edit. Obviously a lot of editors have thought these redlinks are useful, just from the number that have been added. For one editor to go around and delete the constructive work of a large number of other editors without discussion is not a good idea. --Robert.Allen (talk) 00:21, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is not a consensus here—not even close—and it would have to be a substantial consensus to override a biography guideline. While I'm sure it's done in good faith, adding gigantic amounts of unreferenced information is in no way constructive. It's destructive to the reputation and reliability of Wikipedia. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 01:29, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Links 

message: Hi,
This is to confirm that the name Aria Chelabian, is not a professional classical pianist. I was surprised to see that my name is included in the list, and that currently an investigation is being made for the credibility of this name for being included in the list. As stated in the talk page, there are no concrete evidence of the claim for being part of the List of Classical Pianist. With such i would like to request that my name be removed from the list. For verification of the claim you may visit my LinkedIn account for my details, and you will see that being a classical pianist is not one of them. ph.linkedin.com/pub/aria-chelabian/2b/4b0/594/
As flattering as this can be, i would not like to be included in a prestigious list wherein I am not really qualified to be a part of. 
If you need a name for your list of Classical Pianists I would recommend, Alexander John L. Villanueva, a graduate of Bachelor of Arts in Classical Composition from the University of the Philippines Conservatory. You may also verify this recommendation as he has a lot of classical compositions in piano that are already being used in different countries. He is a prodigy for his age.
I would appreciate your attention with regards to the above matter.
Regards,
Aria Chelabian  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.177.136.138 (talk) 03:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The list does not contain that name. What are you talking about? Toccata quarta (talk) 04:30, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

text: As far as I can tell, it has never been listed on either List of classical pianists or List of classical pianists (recorded).  You must have us confused with some other site's lists.  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 06:01, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of the name Aria Chelabian from the List of Classical Pianists