Talk:Managerial state

message: This is a propaganda piece, not an encyclopedia article —Preceding unsigned comment added by  201.80.207.63  (talk • contribs)  12:18, 17 April 2007 
:I removed the POV tag because your position wasn't articulated.  Simply tagging an article that offends your political sensibilities without providing anything but your opinion is propaganda.  I'm not surprised that this didn't occur to you though.  That being said- the article does read with a slightly biased tone.  However, the managerial state is a concept espoused exclusively by those with views opposed to liberalism.  The concept resonates with conservatives, while liberals reject it.  This fact doesn't qualify the article as propaganda though.  The article clearly explains the various aspects of the the concept of the managerial state.  Furthermore the article doesn't make points off topic and doesn't directly attack any ideologies or policies.  All of it's sources comply with wikipedia's verifiability standard as well.  It read like an encyclopedia article to me.  So I think it's safe to assume that your assertion wasn't based on critical analysis or facts but rather something else commonly referred to as an opinion.  If your claim had any validity what so ever you would of at least had a suggestion on how to resolve the article's alleged POV issue (I'm sure it would of been coherent).  I don't expect you to post back though.  I  am surprised actually that you were even looking at wikipedia in the first  place because you're obviously not much of a thinker.  Keep it up and remember to always end your sentences with a period and maybe you'll be taken seriously one day. 
:For anybody else who reads this: I do think the article would benefit from the addition of a section outlining either criticism or dissenting views, etc.  I might start working on something but if there are any suggestions, please post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by  70.120.183.113  (talk • contribs)   14:34, 14 May 2007 
::I agree with the bias charge and the need for the other side of the issue. I'd like to see some inclusion of how the managerial state theorem has been critiqued. Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propaganda, do i have to say more ? 

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message: I removed the tag "social democracy" because it can be somewhat controversial. Few academics would agree to say that the American or British government are social democrats in some sense. Therefore, I have renamed it "procedural democracy", which is much closer to the content of this article.
I think it should also be mentioned that the idea of the managerial or bureaucratic state is of Marxist origin, having its origins in the work of Bruno Rizzi, Johannes Agnoli and Henry Jacoby.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.174.51.13 (talk) 02:52, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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message: Is this even part of "conservatism"? Some classical liberals criticize the managerial state as undemocratic, leftists criticize the managerial state beholden to and serving capital, libertarians critique the managerial state as limiting freedom. DenverCoder9 (talk) 16:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Conservatism" 

message: The article is extremely American-centric. There is not a single source from a non-American, except non-Americans discussing their opinion of Americans.
It relies exclusively on the citations of a few late-20th century American writers, who all cited one another and take the same view of the concept—almost all references are from one of the three people: Samuel T. Francis, Paul Gottfried, James Burnham. DenverCoder9 (talk) 16:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  American centric