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Wikipedia talk:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 October 4

message: Reverting someone's useful additions is disrespect and against the whole principle of wikipedia. . Not to say the "close" note is not a strict policy. What is more the current note is plain stupid: is suggests to continue discussion at a "relevant live page". The category is to be deleted, not moved. Where I am suppose to continue the discussions and how people will find it? 
Please realise that rules and policies are for convenience of editors, not vice versa. 
And finally once more, there are very definite rules about reverting: vandalism, rudeness, etc. Please reconsider your attitude. mikka (t) 19:15, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To begin, I tried to be as polite as possible, and was not treating you as a random vandal. I made the note of the closure on Cfd talk, before I closed the discussion, which you had participated in this discussion previous, assuming you had it on your talk page. Being an admin yourself, you should know better than the "random user", that continuously to add to a closed discussion does not help Wikipedia, as it just prompts other users to do so. I used rollback instead of reverting manually, only for time, as you did the same you had to edit again to leave a msg in the edit summary, so I didn't do so to be rude. I also explained my reasons both on your talk page and the reason for the closure on the cfd talk page. Which I also requested any objections be made there, this link was also provide on the closed Cfd, and this is how users would find the pertinent information you mentioned above.  I am sorry if you fealt offended by my actions, it was not personal, but I personally feel your addition was more of a reply to Instanood, and neither contributed or detracted from the closed discussion, so it was reverted.  I am the only Cfd admin working at the time, and there is quite a backlog, the category would not even exist if it weren't for this.  ∞Who?¿? 19:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have nothing personal to you as a person. Last two weeks I happen to confront quite a few hand-slapping admins here. I understand you are busy with cleanup (a necessary but really boring thing; I am doing my fair (IMO) share once in a while myself). But I see you still don't understand what was actually wrong with your (and some others') attitude: your respect to policy far overweights your respect to the contribution I added. By the way of example I have demonstrated (I hope) how these cases should be treated: to copy to the place you think is appropriate and to leave a pointer there. mikka (t) 20:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

text: It's cool. I was really not trying to be a "dick" :) I always look who I am reverting b4 I revert. I should have messaged you first, before the first one, but as I said, I am just in a rush, Cfd is so backed up. I just think we should make an example as admins to other users, not that we accomplished that today. But that's ok. I hope there are not any ill feelings, and I look forward to working with you in the future. ∞Who?¿? 20:49, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Institutions 2
Talk:Gymnasium (Denmark)

message: The Danish Gymnasium has been reformed, some claims in this text are outright wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.243.207.210 (talk • contribs) 
Why does STX redirect here? Wouldn't it make sense for it to be a disambiguation page? I ended up here looking for the STX group - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STX_Group
Exeprime (talk) 08:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I left you an answer on Talk:Stx. --Ysangkok (talk) 18:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Talk:St. Clement's Island State Park

message: My research shows it is proper to put the apostrophe in the name of the island (even though many map sources omit it).  However, the Maryland Dept. of Natural Resources website is inconsistent in the proper name for the state park.  The main page for the park omits it (St. Clements Island), other pages have it (St. Clement's Island).  Given the confusion, I decided to spell the state park name identically with the island's name.  — Eoghanacht talk 19:17, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Apostrophe in state park name?
Talk:Ricochet (Tangerine Dream album)

message: There's some debate about whether or not Ricochet qualifies as a "live" album. Although assembled from live recordings made during the band's 1975 European Tour, Ricochet differs heavily from the original recordings due to editing, overdubbing, and additional effects. Thus some fans argue that Ricochet was really composed in the studio rather than on stage and should not be called "live". Most sources, however, still refer to it as a live album:
* Official TD site: "Live"
* All Music Guide: "Live", "recorded live in France and Britain"
* Amazon.com: "Live"
* Tower Records: "Studio/Live: Live"
* Progography: "first live album"
* Strawberry Bricks: "Live"
* Hyperreal.org TD Discography: "Live Album"
* The Tangerine Dream Database: "Live"
* Voices in the Net: "Live", "first live album"
So far I haven't been able to find a single source that doesn't refer to the album as "live". I'm afraid objecting to this classification would amount to original research, at least until other sites also change how they classify the album. Kaldari 22:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Ricochet a "live" album? 

message: From the liner notes to The Bootleg Box Set Vol 1:
"The Fairfield Halls in Croydon played host to the band on October 23, 1975... The 1975 official live album Ricochet was partly recorded here and some of the themes from that album are easily discernable."
Kaldari 21:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We do know that parts of Ricochet were recorded at Croydon. But indeed, those were two different shows on the same tour from which Ricochet originated, and yes, the shows had similarities during that time (but much more so by 1977). Coventry Cathedral was October 4, while Fairfield Hall in Croydon was October 23. MXVN (talk) 11:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source material
Category talk:Social institutions

message: *Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_September_25#Institutions_by_country_and_the_overall_category
*Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 October 4#Category:Institutions 2
*Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion#category:institutions
mikka (t) 19:42, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Prehistory
Talk:Deutsche Börse

message: The official name of the company is Deutsche Börse AG. They often call themselves Deutsche Börse Group to make clear they do more than just run a stock exchange (they are a vertically integrated provider of services, i.e. from floor-trading to settlement). This group structure should be made clear in the article, but the name should be the name of the company, i.e. Deutsche Börse (without AG - in the same way that we don't have an entry called New York Stock Exchange, Inc.. DocendoDiscimus 19:42, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done as requested. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 11:52, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The European Commission has announced today that the merger is refused.  
Mergers: Commission blocks proposed merger between Deutsche Börse and NYSE Euronext 
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/12/94&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
NYSE Euronext merger with Deutsche Boerse blocked by EU
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16838793
Section needs a rewrite and verb tenses need to be amended accordingly.Connolly15 (talk) 16:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euronext merger
Talk:Malmedy massacre

message: The sentence "Peiper's charred corpse was later found in the ruins with a bullet in his chest." does not corrode with what is stated on the article on Peiper, that says he died of smoke inhalation and only his own guns were fired. -Valberg.81.191.94.128 (talk) 01:42, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death of Peiper 

message: Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "contrary to events as commonly understood". Further, prisoners were attempting to escape generally comes from apologist sources, including from Peiper himself; see Jens Westemeier (2007) Joachim Peiper, p. 147. --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:58, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit 

message: https://local21news.com/news/local/mount-joy-wwii-veteran-honored-with-letter-from-president-trump
Is it worth updating the link to Harold Billow? He's now 97.
:Yes, most definitely - nice to see some good news. Thank you for the suggestion.— Diannaa (talk) 22:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last survivor of the Malmedy massacre 

message: IP editor. I really don't understand your point. You seem to want to state categorically and solely that KP was responsible for between 538 and 749 US deaths without 
# agreeing that this was a post-war figure presented to the senate in 1949
# acknowledging that others have come up with different figures
If you are insisting on using a contemporaneous figure then it's up to you to provide a source for that figure and for it to be clear this was a contemporaneous figure based on whatever methodology was used at the time.  At the moment you are using the 1949 report to the senate as the source.
It is not anachronistic to discuss the numbers killed regardless of when the formation of opinions occurred. Nthep (talk) 15:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers killed by Kampfgruppe Peiper 

message: Surely the article should mention the fact Allied soldiers regularly murdered unarmed German POWs? Patton covered up the killings of German POWs in Italy. (86.135.242.61 (talk) 18:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If reliable sources explicitly relate that to the Malmedy massacre, perhaps, with due weight. Avoid original research, especially synthesis. (Hohum @) 19:13, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

text: We don't want to give the impression that the Malmedy massacre was somehow justified because the Allied forces also committed similar acts. That's an inappropriate thing to imply. — Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 21:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is rather hypothetical, but if reliable sources explicitly state, for instance, that it was a motivation, then it should be in the article, with due weight. I doubt such sources exist. My point being that article content shouldn't be based on sensibilities, but on sources. (Hohum @) 01:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Context
Talk:Watford

message: I happened to spot the reversion of this group from the notable people section of the article.  Sad Lovers and Giants seem notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article, so is their summary exclusion, without a proper reason being given, really justified? Two of their albums got 4.5 stars out of 5 and one other got 4 stars from  All Music reviewers, and they have made several other albums. A case for a reconsideration? A P Monblat (talk) 14:51, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Do any of the notable members of the band hail from Watford?  The section is about notable people rather than 'collectives'.. Usually an article about a town like Watford would have a section on Entertainment / Culture which is where a Group would be included. There is none for Watford so you could start a new section and then include mention of the Band within the prose of this topic as long as you can find a citation to this effect. Tmol42 (talk) 17:15, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Sad Lovers and Giants' 

message: Kanguole or anyone, would you please direct me to the guideline which prevents Watford, Hertfordshire title but allows Watford, Northamptonshire title? I do not understand your edit summary. Thank you. Mugginsx (talk) 13:49, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for being unclear – the relevant guideline is WP:Disambiguation.  The town in Hertfordshire is the primary topic for this name, so it whould have the undisambiguated name, per UK:PLACE.  Kanguole 15:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Thanks. Mugginsx (talk) 15:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Viewed from the A4178, early work on a major road scheme, where Wiggenhall Industrial Estate stood, is in progress. I cannot find reference to this to include in the article. Any ideas would be welcome. Thanks, — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 09:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Try searching for "Watford health campus link road".  Kanguole 10:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thank you. I had wondered if it was an extension to the M1 Link Road (A4008}. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:27, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work on a major road scheme
Talk:Swing Kids (1993 film)

message: engineering. it was a regular school. they wouldve been to old for hj if they were students —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.42.175 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 17 May 2006
:You are right; one of the characters simply mentions that he wants to study engineering later, which is I think what confused whoever wrote this.  I've changed it. Crito2161 23:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not Engineering Students

message: This sentence doesn't make any sense (but I don't know the plot well enough to fix): "A seemingly charming but intimidating Gestapo officer Herr Knopp (Kenneth Branagh in an uncredited role) complicates grip on Germany." 75.33.10.207 20:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  messed up sentence
Talk:Rullepølse

message: " and a Norwegian version, ribberull, which is made of a lamb shoulder - boned, flattened, sewn to form a long rectangle, rolled, pressed, and steamed."
This is not correct, ribberull is made form "ribbe", hence the word ribberull, and is thus made of pork, not lamb. It is in fact the same as what is described on this page. If you put lamb in the Norwegian "rull", we call it "lammerull".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.202.95.17 (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Pork, not lamb

message: Removed the following text: "Also Norwegian, but made of lamb shoulder boned, flattened, sewn to form a long rectangle, rolled, pressed, and steamed."
The article is about rolled pork roast, not rolled lamb.  Perhaps this text could be the start of a different article, but it does not belong in this one.  --SFDan 20:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Lamb Rullepølse olso exist in danish, as do a beef version, and i would guess that other meats are be used somewhere.94.145.236.194 (talk) 21:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Erroneous text removal

message: The text writes about a flat piece of pork meat.  That isn't very precise – the name of this cut is called slag in Danish, but I'm not sure what it's called in English.  Does anybody here know? --Twid 10:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Slag
Wikipedia talk:Speedy keep

message: I've rephrased SK1 in a way that makes the structure hopefully clearer, although at the cost of some additional words, and also solves two additional issues: userfy is explicitly recognised as a delete-like outcome for which, like redirect, SK1 does not apply, and the negative presumption in the characterisation on a nom being reversed is toned down, per Wikipedia talk:Speedy keep/Archive 4#AfDs withdrawn because the article was improved. In terms of words it's a fairly large change, but because the only change to the applicability of SK1 (the explicit recognition of userfy) I think will be uncontroversial I was BOLD and changed it directly. — Charles Stewart (talk) 11:11, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just made a minor change to your rewrite - I replaced "AfD" with "deletion discussion" because speedy keep is used in more than just AfD. 192.76.8.73 (talk) 12:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited SK1 

message: SK3 is currently  To me, this comes off as a bit too harsh on the nominator, and it is not a comment I would want to make if speedy-keeping something. People make mistakes, and it is possible for a nomination to be completely wrong even if the nominator has made some effort to be accurate. Could I suggest  as a less judgemental, but still specific, alternative? User:GKFXtalk 18:10, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrasing of SK3 

message: I wrote a short piece about my friend Lara Patangan who is a new author. A published author. My name is Erin Avera as I declared in my registration even though my user name is Runwritenow15. I think. Anyway. I have many emails including one recently telling me the piece has been deleted. 
There are links upon links. A sandbox. A long queue. So many layers. Clearly Wikipedia doesn’t need my piece or my money.  I know controls are needed. But this is ridiculous. I’m a working mother. I’ve no time for such nonsense. I’ll let the publishing company and the author know that for lots of weird Java script and http or whatever reasons, we can’t be on Wikipedia. Lesson learned. 2601:343:8000:2640:C548:1C13:917C:5484 (talk) 04:08, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  I’m sorry this is just too complicated
Talk:Robb Nen

message: I thought I remembered hearing that his fastball has been clocked at 101 before.  Is this true?  I know he was quite the flamethrower, and I tend to think of him as being similar to pitchers like Kyle Farnsworth... --Idont Havaname 20:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Speed of his fastball

message: Can we add a picture of Rob Nen I know we have a picture of him somewhere that we can add  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoctownyocol1 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture
Talk:HMS Electra (H27)

message: There seems to be a grammar war on this page.  In particular, 'signaling' vs. 'signalling'; and 'refueling' vs. 'refuelling'.  When somebody changes it, somebody else changes it back.  Pick one and stick with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.240.236.8 (talk) 21:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pick signalling and refuelling, as these are the British English, and this is a British-specific subject. Emoscopes Talk 21:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar war? 

message: Emoscopes:  Your last edit wiped out the last half of the article.  As it is now, it ends in mid sentence.  Please try again.
147.240.236.8 21:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted, problem remedied. Emoscopes Talk 22:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiped out last hald
Talk:Prospero

message: A link to his famous speech would be an excellent addition to this article (via Wikisource).
→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c)  11:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikisource 

message: Should there be a spoiler warning?
::As the play is four hundred years old, taught in schools, and widely referenced in other media, the idea of a "spoiler" notice seems as irrelevant as it would in an account of the ocean liner, Titanic, which related that the boat sank.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caliban93 (talk • contribs) 04:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh man! I was going to watch Titanic! Thanks a lot for ruining the ending!219.88.68.195 (talk) 20:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler?

message: The Tempest is quite controversial in many areas of its scholarship, and I urge that whoever wrote the article use specific citations rather that "some people think" or "many scholars agree" type statements which are not very useful. Tewinton 22:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that there is no single author of the article.  Best thing to do is to put  tags next to statements that need a source, and/or to add the sources yourself.  That's the way wikipedia works. Wrad 22:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statements 

message: I have removed the analysis paragraph as it remains without any good sources. The only one suggested (for the link with Cardano) is Angelo Paratico, whose writing consists of a Da Vinci Code-type thriller in which Jesus travels to Tibet. 
We could do with some analysis, and the possible link to Cardano is interesting. But it is not fit for Wikipedia if it cannot be sourced. Grafen (talk) 09:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statements, three years on 

message: I think more should be added to this article in regards to possible historical inspiration for the character of Prospero. Certainly, as per the above conversation, people have already been discussing Cardano. I am surprised that no one has mentioned John Dee. In fact there are a lot of academic sources that argue for parallels between Dee and Prospero. Certainly, information like this could help the article?207.237.208.153 (talk) 05:53, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Prospero and historic figures
Category talk:Camping equipment

message: I've removed this text: 
:Sanitation systems
:Thetford, a company based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, is the world's leading supplier to the RV industry. In the 1960's, a man (mr. Sargent) started this company by inventing the still used and renowned Porta Potti. This sped up the independance of RV'ers around the world. In a later stage the Portable toilet appeared in a cassette type version for the European market (www.thetford-europe.com) Nowadays the sanitation systems in Recreational Vehicles consist either of a fixed toilet with a large waste holding tank (mainly US market) or a cassette based system.
:In these toilets and waste tanks campers make use of additives to break down the waste, protect the toilet and it's mechanics and decrease gas build up. The main supplier of these products is the beforementioned Thetford, which is logical as they are also the main supplier of the toilets themselves, and usually these products are co-developed for the best performance.
looks like advertisement, and out of place in the description of a category, anyway
Valhalla 20:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Talk:University of North Carolina at Greensboro

message: This section is unusual for an article about big universities. The contents are completely unreferenced and since it is just a rote list of various fraternities, sororities, buildings, and facilities without any further detail, I question whether there is any useful information being shared here. I propose deletion. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 11:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek life and traditions 

message: The redirect State Normal and Industrial College has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Star Mississippi 00:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:State Normal and Industrial College]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]
Talk:Allowat Sakima

message: Which tribes does this apply to?  Is the term in a particular language? RJFJR 21:17, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The term applies to the Delaware tribe, also known in their own language as the Leni Lenape (which means "first men"). The language is known as "Lenape." It is similar to other Algonkian languages such as Abnaki, Algonquin, Chippewa, Fox, Illinois, Kickapoo, Menominee, Ottawa, Penobscot, Potawatomi, Powhatan, Sauk, and Shawnee. The word "Illinois," meaning "first," is essentially the same word as "Leni," and even sounds similar. The two were probably much closer in pronunication before French and English settlers heard them and recorded them in two different European languages.PGNormand 06:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Which tribe(s)?