Talk:Sambia Peninsula

message: I do think that "Samland" should be the principal name of the article (with a re-direct from "Sambia"), rather than the other way around, since "Samland" is by far the more frequently-used English-language name. -- Picapica 11:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. Olessi 01:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 12:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Samland

message: Sambia → Samland – "Samland" is used more in English publications about the peninsula, while "Sambia" usually refers to unrelated topics.
===Survey===
:Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support as originator. Olessi 14:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My knowledge of Russian is limited, but it seems both Самбия (Sambia), Самбийский полуостров, Земландский полуостров (Semlyandsky poluostrov) and Калининградский полуостров are in use. The first of these seems to be more common, at least according to Google.  There might be a distinction between Sambia the historical region and Semlyandsky poluostrov as a geographical feature.  Some of these names might be used in historical contexts only.  Can anyone shed more light on this? Balcer 04:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: If Sambia is the term currently used in Russia to refer to a peninsula in Russia, then the article's name should be Sambia. I proposed this Move Request because I had not found any indication that "Sambia" was the preferred term in Russia (and the article currents lists "Semlyandsky poluostrov", a variation of Samland), while Samland has been used more in English publications than Sambia. Olessi 23:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
A minor note: Shouldn't we add a dab notice at the top, since "Sambia" can also refer to Zambia (e.g. in German)? —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 12:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support as originator. Olessi 14:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My knowledge of Russian is limited, but it seems both Самбия (Sambia), Самбийский полуостров, Земландский полуостров (Semlyandsky poluostrov) and Калининградский полуостров are in use. The first of these seems to be more common, at least according to Google.  There might be a distinction between Sambia the historical region and Semlyandsky poluostrov as a geographical feature.  Some of these names might be used in historical contexts only.  Can anyone shed more light on this? Balcer 04:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: While Sambia is the peninsula's name in Polish and Latin, the traditional German name Samland has been used more often in English-language publications. Google searches indicate that Sambia is used as a different spelling of Zambia, can refer to the Sambia tribe of Papua New Guinea, or could mean Sambia, Comoros.
Because most regular Google searches ( ) are clouded by the results from the aforementioned other uses, the following are some Google Books and Google scholar searches.
Google Books:
*Samland: 2,240 (258 actual results, some in German)
*"Samland Peninsula": 15
*Samland + Baltic: 180 (114)
*Samland + Prussia: 319 (121)
*Samland + Russia: 56 (45)
*Samland + amber: 119 (74)
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*Sambia: 3,610 (270 actual results, the vast majority of which refer to Zambia or the Papua New Guinea tribe)
*"Sambia Peninsula": 1
*"Sambian Peninsula": 4
*Sambia + Baltic: 9
*Sambia + Prussia: 14
*Sambia + Russia: 19
*Sambia + amber: 4
Google Scholar:
*Samland: 760 (748 actual, many of which refer to the surname Samland)
*"Samland Peninsula": 11
*Samland + Baltic: 81
*Samland + Prussia: 66 (65)
*Samland + Russia: 69 (68)
*Samland + amber: 41 (most are relevant)
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*Sambia: 1,070 (990, the overwhelming majority of which refer to Zambia or the Papua New Guinea tribe)
*"Sambia Peninsula": 7
*"Sambian Peninsula": 15
*Sambia + Baltic: 26
*Sambia + Prussia: 11
*Sambia + Russia: 61 (60, a few referencing Zambia)
*Sambia + amber: 15 (most are relevant)
The 1911 Britannica used Samland. Britannica currently uses Sambia in the article about the Old Prussian language, but uses Samland when discussing the geography of the region, relevant to this Wikipedia article. Olessi 14:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If Sambia is the term currently used in Russia to refer to a peninsula in Russia, then the article's name should be Sambia. I proposed this Move Request because I had not found any indication that "Sambia" was the preferred term in Russia (and the article currents lists "Semlyandsky poluostrov", a variation of Samland), while Samland has been used more in English publications than Sambia. Olessi 23:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
A minor note: Shouldn't we add a dab notice at the top, since "Sambia" can also refer to Zambia (e.g. in German)? —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 12:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Please split this article. Sambia - is historical region (see :ru:Самбия), Sambian Peninsula - is geographical object (see :ru:Калининградский полуостров). historical region ≠ geographical object. --Insider (talk) 14:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They may be not identical, but they are largely congruent, so the historical region can be considered the history of the contemporary region. -- Hämbörger (talk) 14:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree with Hämbörger; the two overlap enough that they should share the same space. If they were to be split, each subsequent article would amount to not much more than a stub. --Tea with toast (talk) 23:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Insider. Samland peninsula is a geographical identity, while Sambia is a historical-cultural region connected with a tribe of Sambians. That is an important scientific distinction. One is a geographical term, another - ethnological. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: A delayed response to the 7-year-old exchange that begins this page:
As a native English speaker and student of European history, I have always known the peninsula as the "Samland Peninsula." Samland was a German name based on the old Prussian name for the region, and the peninsula was not known in English as "Sambia" — at least, not before the Soviet takeover following WWII. Whether it's now known in English as the "Sambia Peninsula" I seriously doubt, since the German name was accepted in English for something like seven centuries. 
I suppose the counter argument would be that all the other German names in northern East Prussia, now the Russian Kaliningrad Oblast, have been changed, but in all the cases I know of (except those in the former Memelland, now in Lithuania) they were changed to something completely different from the old German names. Sambia, however, clearly has the same root, so why not stick with "Samland"?
I note that Russian Wikipedia refers to the peninsula as "Калинингра́дский полуо́стров (Земландский, Самбийский полуостров) — giving the Russian version of "Samlandic" as an alternate for what apparently now in Russian is officially the "Kaliningradski" Peninsula. Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish and of course German Wikipedia entries refer to it simply as "Samland."
:Meanwhile, I have changed the format of the sentence about the peninsula's "two famous seaside resorts" to de-italicize the former German names Rauschen and Cranz and instead to say "(former German name: x x x)." Normally, italics would be limited in this context to foreign-language words for things, concepts, etc., not place names. When Svetlogorsk was German it was officially Rauschen, not Rauschen. (By the by, the German verb rauschen denotes a resulting sound, as of leaves in the wind; as a noun, Rauschen, it means "the rustling" [of something].)
:Sca (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Samland / Sambia; italics

message: The current png file doesnt show the river Deyma, which forms the eastern boundary of Samland.  Readers may wish to observe the exact shape of the peninsula/island.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.41.111 (talk) 03:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if this refers to the same map, but the map :File:Kaliningradsky_peninsula_EN.svg has the name of the peninsula spelled "Kalinindragsky Peninsula". Apart from the obvious typo, it should be "Kaliningrad Peninsula" (there is no need to carry the Russian suffix over into English), or "Sambia Peninsula" in accordance with the lemma. --2.204.228.225 (talk) 03:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  PNG geographic map 

message: The English name has always been "Samland".  There are lots of Russian cities, Moscow, Saint Petersburg, etc,, with Anglicized names, which arent being Russianized in Wikipedia. The motive behind replacing "Samland" (easier to say in English) , with "Sambia" (with more syllables) seems unclear.  Is it just disliking for the language (and people) English drew it from?   Also, the article states quite clearly that "Samland" is the name for the peninsula in the Germanic languages.  English is a Germanic language.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.41.111 (talk) 03:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your first sentence is not true. --89.204.135.56 (talk) 18:50, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samland/Sambia 

message: lwhat.happen.to.the.baltic.prussin 107.77.173.35 (talk) 21:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  what.happen.to.the.baltic.prussin