Talk:Battle of the Olive Grove of Kountouras

message: Criteria:
#Well written
##Compelling prose: The opening paragraph should end with a sentence on the outcome of the battle (Franks/Crusaders won, Greek resistance collapsed). The first sentence of "Background" is a run-on sentence and should be revised. The spelling of "Geoffrey" is inconsistent in the quotation from Villehardouin, as is "Kountoura" in the final section. "Peloponnese" is generally referred to with the definite article in English: "the Peloponnese". I've made some emendations to the English translation to make it more grammatical; please revert me if I've erred.
##Logical structure: The duplicate "Sources" section is rather confusing. Perhaps it would be best to move the latter section into "References", or rename the first section "Chroniclers", or both.
##MoS: Seems fine.
##Jargon explained: Such little as there is, yes.
#Accurate and verifiable
##Referenced: Yes
##Inline citations: Yes
##Sources reliable: Yes
##Original research: not apparent.
#Broad coverage
##Addresses all major aspects: As far as I can tell (it's a rather limited topic).
##Trivia: None.
#NPOV
##Viewpoints unbiased: Yes.
##All significant POVs present: Yes.
#Stable: Yes. (Most activity from author's and my recent upgrades to GAC status).
#Images: Single suitably-tagged image of a typical olive grove in Greece. Pass.
Please address my concerns in re. point 1 and I would be happy to pass this as a Good Article. Choess 03:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. I changed it to "the Peloponnese" in the last two instances and changed the verb for what William did in establishing the principality of Achaea. I've promoted this to Good Article. Congratulations! Choess 23:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article Review 

message: The addition was OK, but it implies that Geoffrey I Villehardouin came along with William of Champlitte from Costantinople. This is not correct, since Geoffrey came from Palestine, on his way back to France. I plan to fix this later, but I want to think the best way to phrase it. If anyone gets to do it first, fine.--FocalPoint 19:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition 

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. As a side note, I'd recommend that more sources be added to further expand the article. The paragraphs that have no sources should have inline citations added as well. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have edited the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 07:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: Pass

message: There also seem to be another contemporary text by "Nicetas" (probably Niketas Choniates) mentioned by Finlay.George Finlay, The History of Greece: From Its Conquest by the Crusaders to Its Conquest by the Turks, and of the Empire of Trebizond: 1204-1461, page 207, published by Blackwood, 1851 
I had a quick look through the actual text, at B.G. Niebuhr/Immanuel Bekker, 1835, Niketae Choniatae Historia, but I could not find a direct reference. I will look again. If someone wants to try, do not waste your time in the first pages, this should be after pages 700 or so.--FocalPoint (talk) 21:25, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Niketas

message: The claim about the Greek soldiers being «drawn from the garrisons of Nikli, Veligosti, Lacedaemon, as well as infantry provided by the Slavic Melingoi tribe of Taygetus» is an estimate of Bon 1969, pp. 61–62, however, it is his own personal conclusion. There is no such reference in the only sources we have and therefore I removed it from the text. As it was written, it was misleading, being presented as a fact, while it is the hypothesis of one author. --FocalPoint (talk) 20:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: The Greek