Talk:Date palm

message: It is obviously pointless to have this page at Date, but I think it would be better placed at Date Palm than Date (fruit). Anyone object to a move? - MPF 18:24, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Page title

message: Could someone who is knowlegable on the subject of dates make their way to the following website:
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dates.html
After having read this could they better qualify the statements made about dates in the following article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Saddam_Hussein
--Gantlord 14:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Saddam Hussein and Dates

message: :The following discussion is closed.  Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
Date Palm → Date palm – Capitalization
===Voting===
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*Support: per naming standards.  —Wknight94 (talk) 19:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
===Discussion===
Why is there no page on dates themselves, you don't search for apple and get apple tree at the top O.o 172.189.174.96 (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 1

message: Why is there no page on dates themselves, you don't search for apple and get apple tree at the top O.o 172.189.174.96 (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Why is the nutrition chart sourcing the USDA and referencing recomended calories in an American diet using British spellings? It makes it look like a fake. Jon 20:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understood it was wiki policy that all spellings are standard english. Willow177 20:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Standard English relative to the article's subject, yes. Articles about American subjects should be written in American English; articles about British subjects should be written in British English. In this case, a chart referencing American sources should probably be written in American English.--chris.lawson 03:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I would love to eat some "stoned" dates...  Hashish would be fully sick here :) 122.200.166.68 (talk) 11:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nurtition Chart from USDA using British spellings???

message: Would anyone volunteer to add some information about the process of glazing dates? I believe you may find some in one of the FAO books in the external links section. Thanks, Sdudah 05:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Glazing Dates

message: I removed this gallery:
==Dates from Tunisia==

Image:Dattes-Ammari.JPG|Ammari
Image:Tn Dates Angou.JPG|Angou
Image:Dattes arichti.JPG|Arichti
Image:1 Dattes Bejjou.JPG|Bejjou
Image:Dattes-Bisr.JPG|Bisr Helou
Image:Dattes deglet.JPG|Deglet 
Image:Dattes Gounda.JPG|Gounda
Image:GousbiDates.JPG|Gousbi
Image:Dattes Hamraya branche.JPG|Branche de dattes Hamraya
Image:HissaDates.JPG|Hissa
Image:HissaTNDates.JPG|Hissa 
Image: Dattes Kenta.JPG|Kenta
Image:Dattes kentichi.JPG|Kentichi
Image:Dattes Lagou.JPG|Lagou
Image:Dattes-TN.JPG|Touzerzayet
Image:Tn Dattes Trounja.JPG|Trounja

Galleries are more appropriate at commons, then linked at the bottom. cygnis insignis 14:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gallery

message: There seems to be a contradiction between the introductory paragraph, which states that the native range of the date palm is probably north Africa, and the body of the article which states it originated around the Persian Gulf.  Which is it?
209.86.226.36 (talk) 02:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Native range?

message: Khajur is the Urdu / Hindi word for date, it is NOT a variety of date.  The term 'khajur' is used for any date irrespective of the variety.  Your article incorrectly lists Khajur as a variety found in Pakistan/India.  Pakistan has many different varieties like Halawi, Aseel, Begum Jhangi, Karbalai, Mazafati and so on.  The word Khajur is synonymous with date as it is used in Urdu for all dates including those from Iran, the middle east and morocco.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.73.4.233 (talk) 10:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Khajur

message: In the section Dates we are told: "...when unripe, range from bright red to bright yellow in colour, depending on variety."  However, in the picture, we have some obviously unripe green fruit, but in another picture we have some (ripe) red fruit.  What gives?  122.200.166.68 (talk) 11:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Colour of Fruit

message: Well as an ornamental plant maybe in southern coast. But Ankara with its steppe cold winters... 
The map is absurd at best. Anatolian climate is just not for date even in its warmest town Cizre, you just cant grow it. I do not understand how Azerbaijani provinces of Iran has that much yield either.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.165.143 (talk) 12:11, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur it is plainly misleading if not ignorant, Ankara with down to -30 deg C is much less hospitable to date palms than for example London.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.180.22.140 (talk) 16:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Date in Turkey?

message: This article should be moved too Date (fruit) instead of its scientific name. This is outlined in the principles enunciated at WP:FLORA.  Thanks. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 13:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The WP:COMMONNAME of the fruit referred to by this article is "date", and I will make the move in 24 hours, if there are no objections. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 08:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree moving it to Date (fruit) but if it was to be moved Date palm would be the better title since it isn't just about the fruit. Bidgee (talk) 08:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense. Thanks. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 09:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

text: If we look closely, most of the article is about the date fruit, not the palm tree, except the lead section. Similar articles exist, such as Apple (where Apple tree redirects to Apple). What do you think? — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 09:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia articles are about the whole plants not only the fruits.--Taranet (talk) 23:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move from [[Phoenix dactylifera]] to [[Date (fruit)]] 

message: It is claimed that date palms are grown from cuttings.   Palm trees only have one growth locus and can't be grown from cuttings.Eregli bob (talk) 12:12, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grown from cuttings ? 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Phoenix dactylifera →  – Page was moved from a more common name to a scientific name with naming conventions being cited as the rationale.  This rule normally applies only to plants that don't have a common name, which this tree does: Date palm. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 15:40, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: RE: If it ever gets expanded, separate articles can be made for Date (fruit) and Date palm.  For now, there isn't enough content to warrant two separate articles. Also, "date palm" is the common name, therefore it should be renamed as such. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 09:29, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
This discussion was not advertised appropriately, e.g. at WT:PLANTS, so few people participated. I strongly object to the move being made without adequate input. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

text: This requested move was listed by AAlertBot at Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants#Article alerts. Editors interested in the latest discussions regarding articles supported by a particular project should always look there, as there is no requirement or expectation that a comment be left on the project's talk page. Ibadibam (talk) 17:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The relevant guideline is Wikipedia:FLORA#Scientific versus common names, which actually mentions WP:PLANTS. You may not expect to notify the plants Wikiproject when discussing changing the title of a plant article, but I do. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, an announcement about this economically important plant should warrant more of a cooperative attitude to editing than that. Some readers of WP:plants (and there are apparently a lot of such people) might not want to look at the questions about moving one scientific name to another, such as the Picris echioides → Helminthotheca echioides move that just completed, but might have strongly held opinions about scientific versus common names! Also, 26th July to 2 August is a short interval to expect people to have seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants#Article alerts. This was definitely not advertised sufficiently. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not going to comment on the merits of the move request, as I didn't participate in it and I have no opinion about it. You're certainly welcome to initiate a new move request so that the discussion can be reopened. All I'm trying to say is that WP:PLANTS was sufficiently notified — posting to project talk pages is not part of the WP:RM/CM procedure, and while I agree that it's courteous to do so, it's not something we can count on happening every time. I can only encourage you to keep up with your project's article alerts so you don't miss a discussion like this again. You can also add Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Article alerts to your watchlist if that's more convenient. Ibadibam (talk) 21:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 2

message: The way information is cited, i.e. (Author, Date), in the two first paragraphs of this section is wrong. I'm not qualified to change it myself since I'm no dates expert, but you should check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources for more details.
Baldurmen (talk) 19:38, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The  didn't include a full citation even then, but I was able to locate the book and add a full citation. The  also didn't add a full citation, and I've been unable to identify the intended source. I have tagged the citation for improvement, for the time being. Ibadibam (talk) 20:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Dates

message: Is the date output map correct? The location indicated for date output in the U.S. (the red dot) is the northeast. This can't be right. Shouldn't it be in the southwest where most dates are grown due to desert land? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.233 (talk) 00:34, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not how it looks when I enlarge the map. It shows a scattering of green spots in the extreme south of California, and no red dot anywhere. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 18:30, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the same thing as 98.119.151.233 in :File:2005dattes.png included in the 'Production' section. There's a red dot in the vicinity of Buffalo, New York. Are you referring to :File:DateYield.png listed in the 'Dates' section instead? Mindmatrix 19:46, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes indeed, I was looking at that other map. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:04, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Correct? Of course it is not, there is not a single date palm in Central Anatolia, even in the southern shores fruiting date trees dont last as long to ripe them( cannot reproduce, not could be sold).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.180.22.140 (talk) 16:35, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

text: I submit the map is misleading enough such that no map would be preferable.  Looking for dissenting opinions.  --Bridgecross (talk) 14:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date output map 

message: There is a list of cultivars, and a list of Saudi "types", with limited overlap. Perhaps these should be merged. Lavateraguy (talk) 15:26, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *Support. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultivars versus types 

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message: It seems dating since pre-Roman empire times through to the Renaissance, Palm Trees have symbolised immortality because the trees were thought to live forever. (This is the reason the ancient biblical authors used the palm on Palm Sunday as a double pun on the Roman tradition of a Triumph, and also on the rebirth and eternal life of Jesus which follows a few chapters later. The meaning of being waved at by palm tree branches then later, in memory of this biblical story, to symbolise "rebirth" rather than "eternal life".) It is true to say during the Renaissance the Palm tree symbolised both Rebirth and Eternal Life. I bring to your attention three sources, and therefore I believe we should add an additional use of the palm tree in symbolism to reflect it's meaning in Eternal Life and Rebirth: 
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Sunday contains this sentence: In ancient Egyptian religion, the palm was carried in funeral processions and represented eternal life. The palm branch later was used as a symbol of Christian martyrs and their spiritual victory or triumph over death.
2) Fernando Lazi 2004 is correctly cited as a source for this in the "Palm Sunday" Wikipedia article but when you read this source you notice the emphasis on rebirth and eternal life. That emphasis does not appear in the Wikipedia "Palm Sunday" or "Date palm" articles. The source text reads: "When Jesus went to Jerusalem for the Passover, he was greeted by a crowd waving palm branches, a gesture proper to the Hebrew tradition. The date palm is a special tree in the eyes of the Orientals. Everything about it is useful. Its duration and height far surpass human measure, so much so that in Mesopotamia it was regarded as a sacred tree, for it evokes the ideas of immortality, rebirth, victory, and asceticism, and is a metaphor for what is elevated and sublime, a metaphor of victory. In Egypt palm branches were a symbol of unending life and were varied in funeral processions. The palm tree combined the symbolism of victory with that of resurrection..." 
3) A History of Britain 2 1603-1776, by Simon Schama. A specific example of this symbolism in use, in reference 'Eikon Basilike' a Renaissance frontispiece engraving William Marshal this 2012 Schama book reads "Charles had taken enormous pains to present himself like his grandmother Mary as a martyr for the church... in this case the Church of England. The 'Eikon Basilike' was designed as the church's spiritual the gospel according to St Charles, in pious resurrection of the monarchy. Complicated, but to contemporaries intelligible, Christian symbolism dominated the frontispiece designed by William Marshal, engraved by Wenceslas horror and obviously in tune with the King's interpretation of his posterity. It's themes were... palm trees thought never to die, and thus the ancient emblems of the resurrection continue to grow even under the weight of royal virtue...."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fegor (talk • contribs) 20:36, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add a new area of Symbolism for the Palm tree  

message: The saying "From the ashes rises the Phoenix", likely originates from burning palm fronds to produce ashes that were used to build the pyramids? There is now good evidence that the limestone blocks used in their early construction including those at Giza were not carved but cast from re-amalgamated limestone. Ashes from burnt palm fronds have been suggested as a key ingredient in forming geopolymer re-amalgamated limestone. Hence the saying "From the ashes rises the Phoenix"
See the work by Joseph Davidovits of the Geopolymer Institute https://www.geopolymer.org/
Tusk Bilasimo (talk) 13:33, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phoenix dactylifera - the relevance of Phoenix in the name  

message: What is the point of the second paragraph, about "madjool" (sic) dates?  It doesn't mention anything about diseases and pests, does it belong in that section? Nerfer (talk) 19:06, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diseases and pests section 

message: You wrote:
'about 2.5 centimetres (0.98 in) in diameter'. 
Obviously the dates are ABOUT one inch, and giving a precise imperial equivalent for a metric approximation is just silly.  Wikipedia does it all the time. One inch is ABOUT two and a half centimeters. 
NaumTered (talk) 01:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the result of using the  template. If you'd like to change the values displayed, read the rounding section of the template's documentation. Mindmatrix 11:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  silly Wikipedia precision. 

message: The date fruit is NOT a drupe (there are not a woody endocarp inside) but it is a berry. So the pit is a seed. I do the corrections but it has been deleted. It's possible to put it on again? --Clematis (talk) 08:17, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date fruit 

message: : "Dates have been a staple food of the Middle East and the Indus Valley for thousands of years."
Is this referring to some earlier, starchier cultivar? Because the dates I know are basically candy, and couldn't possibly fulfill any dietary need.__Gamren (talk) 01:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  A staple food?? 

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message: Is there any information available regarding the types of sugar in dry dates? Such as glucose, sucrose, fructose, maltose? Eaberry (talk) 17:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Added to #Nutrition section. No such user (talk) 15:24, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Type of sugar? 

message: Cf. Arecaceae (palm tree) which is described as "tree-like." Critically, both palm trees and date palms are monocots which means they do not have secondary growth, meaning that they do not fall under some definitions of "tree." I raise this point because of the general inconsistency between Wikipedia pages regarding how these plants are classified. 65.242.132.98 (talk) 00:16, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tree or Tree-like? 

message: This section lists avoidance of calcium carbonate in soil. This is a terrible and very uninformed of agriculture in general. The actual source states that large calcium carbonate stones or concretions should be avoided. In other words, the soil for dates COMMONLY is calcium carbonate to the degree that one must watch out for the things one may find in an arid environment. Lime is fine. Calcium carbonate is fine. Hardpan or stony ground is not. The "reference" is some poorly worded amateur webpage from years ago that has been defunct for ages. And then the Wikipedia editor misunderstands the reference making it obvious the editor has zero expertise in agriculture. The traditional and common soils where date palms are grown are arid calcium carbonate soils. that's how you get the high pH. Just don't try to grow it in rock and hardpan. Can this be fixed? 162.154.248.143 (talk) 18:45, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect representation of information in source. Cultivation section.