Talk:Martin Bryant

message: Does anyone know if he was religious??? I've seen a reference to him being a christian, but can't see any other evidence of it.
His mother is (which of course doesn't mean he is). Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:45, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion?

message: Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:18, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: sig from delete conversation in 2005

message: HI many queries, questions and incorrect facts here could be fixed by using and citing the recently published book by Bryan't mother - titled My Story.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.239.24 (talk) 00:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What is it with this assumption that a disabled person can't handle a gun to that extent? That's a presumptious call. If they are trained or are interested in it (or both) there is no reason why they couldn't do it. It's not rocket science. It just needs physical strength, and Bryant had that. Frankly this remark reeks of a lack of understanding of disabilities in general. Curse of Fenric 12:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont know where i know this from, but im pretty sure he was obsessed with weapons and practised alot. Im also quite certain he had commited previous killings... —ÅñôñÿMôús Dîššíd3nt 05:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text: There were a very large number of eyewitnesses who can testify to the fact that Bryant acted alone. It is paranoid nonsense to even imply otherwise.59.167.59.181 08:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not paranoid. Bryant had no interest in guns before the rampage, in fact his obsession was with collecting teddy bears of which he had over 200. Of the 35 killed, 20 were head shots firing from the hip which is notable. As for the witnesses....survivors from the cafe gave different accounts on what he was wearing so are hardly reliable. On the other hand I can easily hit a fast moving 12 inch target at 50 feet from the hip and his targets were much much closer than that (10 feet?). For me it is a natural ability and not practiced so i can see that Bryant could be a natural without need of training or outside help. However the accuracy and subsequent theories that he may not have been alone are notable enough for mention. Wayne (talk) 04:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: Forget it.  You guys don't want truth. 203.26.206.129 08:37, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Likewise, I have concerns with some parts of the Adulthood section too - I'm surprised at the reference to "Child's Play" given that police searching Bryant's home did not find the expected porn or violent videos, but instead just a big collection of Walt Disney videos.  I will try to find a citable online reference for this. There seems to be a desire to paint him as some sort of psychopath stereotype, which is irresponsible and dangerous in itself.59.167.59.181 08:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mrs. Bryant, is that you?DrBogdanovic (talk) 23:19, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD discussion

message: "and reportedly hired prostitutes every month to compensate for the absence of a girlfriend."
Can we find a source for this assertion? - Ta bu shi da yu 21:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed text 

message: I think it's all very well to argue what is fact, what is theory and so on. It's an endless argument because the reality is there is only theory and opinion. Last I heard, Martin Bryant wasn't talking to anyone - at all. To the prison psychiatrist or even his own mother. There is one undeniable fact - NO ONE knows why he did it. I'm not even convinced if Bryant himself knew why. He knows he did it, and he showed no remorse (taking into account the possible media bias that has been mentioned) - but it has NEVER gone any further than that.
I heard a story about a year after the massacre that he may have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome but this can not be verified otherwise I would add it to the article.
This is the problem. The lack of real facts that can be verified. We all have theories, but theories don't amount to a proper Wikipedia article. However, Bryant is definitely a person of note. His notoriety will live forever and it should certainly be recorded.
That "forever" is sloppy usage. What, precisely, do you mean? Kipholbeck 06:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While it hasn't been released why he did it, his lawyer does know alot more and I believe is writing a book. The Lawyer clearly gave the opinion that Bryant was a copy cat killer of the earlier spree which was his main motive.--Dacium 00:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: This is also supported by other information from his legal team. Like he asked what the hoddle street murder pled to pick between guilty and innocent. He often asked if he 'got a record' for the most kills etc.--155.144.251.120 22:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Asperger's syndrome was suggested as a possiblity by Dr. Ian Sale in 1996, in this report. But Dr. Sale's opinion was disputed by other report authors, on the basis that people with Asperger's are totally disinterested in social relationships (this is not correct) and that Bryant had a language delay in childhood. Also, Bryant has an IQ of 66, well below of Asperger's (IQ >85). Of the rare cases where people with Autism Spectrum Disorders have broken the law...obsessive, brooding and long standing grudges, that others have long forgotten, are typical (read J. Arturo Silva). Also, compare Bryant with Cho Seung Hui, who exhibited traits suggestive of autism. --Diamonddavej 03:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Theories versus Facts

message: The simple version needs a look at. Andjam 00:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple version 

message: 58.170.197.110 says: "There has been a book published RE: martin bryant not being alone in this massacre, there are controversial stories that he was used as a porn in a much larger game to have semi automatic weapons destroyed and disarm australia." Barrylb 02:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from article 

message: Has it been confirmed that Bryant has been moved to the Lopes Centre? Andjam 00:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lopes Centre 

message: Radio news reports in Perth tonight are saying that he has been hospitalised after a suicide attempt. Gnangarra 13:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if it was a suicide attempt, but he was admitted to hospital with what is said to be slashed wrists. See http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1881089.htm. Pyreforge 23:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  News reports 

message: The article as it is now (not fact, my opinion) has only sparse information about Bryant's childhood.  I can't properly source this at the moment, but I'm fairly sure Bryant never went to school outside Tasmania. From memory (and again without proper sourcing) he spent his primary school years on the Tasman Peninsula, and in his secondary school years at some stage went to that very fine school, Newtown High. Marcellin College is now (and was at the time Bryant was secondary school age) in Bulleen, Victoria.
However, I am reasonably sure that the edits - there are more from IPs and editors with accounts than I list here - stating Bryant was at some time a student at Marcellin are spurious.
See the contribs here, and here.  --Shirt58 12:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About removal of incorrect school info 

message: Hello,
When his father died, ambulance officers described Bryant as quite excited by the search and unconcerned about the death. - What is this supposed to mean? "quite excited by the search" - ist this some sort of australian-english slang? I ask an american friend, even he has no clue what is the message. Can anyone tell what does it mean?
Cheers, --Lofor 11:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I heard that Martin Bryant inherited $500,000 after the death of his father. Does anyone know any information regarding what both Martin's parents did for a living? 
Spokenwordsegment (talk) 02:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bryant inherited his wealth from a close friend who died in a car accident. The money didn't come from either of his parents. The article speaks of this already under the Adulthood section. -- Longhair\talk 02:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martin Bryant's parents 

message: Are there any official documents that support the claim of 37 injured or is this just a guess based on the fact that 72 charges were filed against him? Most of the newspaper articles of that time you can find via Google News either talk about 18 or 19 people wounded. Here's an article of 2007 which also says 19 people were injured. (Lord Gøn (talk) 12:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of injured

message: "Photographs of Martin Bryant had been digitally manipulated with the effect of making Bryant appear deranged." Is there proof of that anywhere, or a citation? A quick google search showed no comparisons of any 'real' vs 'manipulated' photos. 67.241.72.20 (talk) 02:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image Manipulation?

message: Near the beginning, the article states that Bryant met Harvey "whilst looking for new customers for her lawn-mowing service."  Wondering if that shouldn't be "his lawn-moving service"?
Futnuh (talk) 02:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor typo?

message: After reading some of the article, I feel that it would be a good idea to discuss the ethical sides of naming Bryant's parents. In the article, we learn how his parent's had a very hard time raising him and that he quite early in life obviously showed signs of both mental retardation, autism and serious mental illness (Schizofrenia) and possibly sociopathy. It is not possible, as I see it, to determine what role, if any, his parents had in him developing into a severely disturbed human being. If the parents had been shown to have a clear role in his negative development, I might see that as an argument for including the name of the parents without having a feeling of doing so as possibly unethical. If that had been the case, I can also see that naming the parents may also seem as a reasonable thing to do, because of their obvious role in "creating" such a disturbed child/adult. But I cannot see that, at least in this article, there is proof of such a role by the parents, even if the quotation of something his mother said in a recent interview ("In a 2011 interview his mother recalls that she would often find his toys broken at a very young age, branding him an "annoying" and "different" child.") may cause some wondering regarding that question. To write an article about a named criminal of such a magnitude as Bryant himself, is both natural and ethical, as I see it. But I am not sure if it is either natural and/or ethical when it comes to his parents. In this case, there are numerous victims, the direct victims of his crimes as well as their friends and family and a lot of others. And, as I see it, in general the parents of such criminals are also direct victims, in the same way as the family of the people killed and wounded in such crimes. Being the parents and other immediate family of such criminals, is a very, very hard thing to have to live with. Many feel that they have no other choice but change their name and move to a new place, in order to have a chance at getting their life back, because so many people judge also the criminal's family, thinking that they must have a role in causing the criminal to turn out as s/he did - but that is not always the case. For that reason, unless we know that it is proven/documented/confirmed that the parents, e.g. by severely abusing and mistreating their child, did play a direct role in the child becoming severely disturbed and/or mentally ill which in it's turn caused him/her to commit serious crimes, I think that it is unethical to name the parents in such an article. Also, we should ask ourselves if naming the parents will have any positive impact on the quality of the article. As I see it, in this case naming them does not add any positive qualities to the article (and with no proven/documented/confirmed information about a negative parental role, quite the contrary, a psychiatrist assessing him while he was an adolescent give us signs that the parents tried hard to help him when he said in his assessment: "Only his parents' efforts prevent further deterioration." - a statement that I think must carry much more "weight" than what the mother said in her 2011 interview quoted above). It is also my opinion that the quality of this article, in no way would suffer if the parents' names simply are omitted. 
I think this is such an important ethical question, it should be discussed properly before a potential edit is done. For that reason, I did not feel that it would be appropriate for me to just go ahead and edit this article because I personally lean towards omitting the parents' name being a good and ethical idea. I also realize that such ethical questions are something that is seen differently in different cultures. I think that policies and practice for such naming is much more "conservative" (if I may categorize it as such) and restrictive in the Norwegian culture where I am, than e.g. in the US American culture (in media etc.) - also a good argument for having a proper discussion on the issue before doing any editing (of this and/or other, comparable articles). 
I am also wondering if this isn't also a general ethical question that should be raised in other fora on Wikipedia, as it might be something that there should be a policy on. Also, I do not know if this question has been discussed elsewhere on Wikipedia in the past. I'm not as "Wiki-savvy" yet and must admit that I'm a bit insecure when it comes to editing some things because of English not being my first language (and I find reading some of the information on doing different things on here a bit heavy reading for me in a different language, making me afraid that I may misunderstand or miss important aspects of the information in question, which may cause me to do something inappropriate). For that reason, I would appreciate it a lot if somebody who have the needed knowledge, could help out in raising this question in the appropriate forum/fora (and please let me know by posting a message about it on my talk page or here, so I can follow that discussion too). Feel welcome to copy/post/link to this post of mine as an example for a general discussion, if you find that it may be of some kind of value.
Thanks a lot!
∼∼∼∼  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peapeam (talk • contribs) 21:16, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming of Martin Bryant's parents

message: I am from hobart i knew of bryant when young we all did he was a very strange man ..sinister and undeniably evil..this was obvious to us as kids at school..he was a well known freak here and despised by his peers
These people that try to defend him or create conspiracies makes me so angry they are full of it
I know the people involved with his processing after the tragic event..i have worked with the doctor that assessed him i have worked with the nurse that looked after him straight after it and spoken to them about the whole thing ..they are just decent honest people and not part of some ridiculpous conspiracy..also my father who was a barrister was one of the first people to talk to him after the event..he had no knowledge of this happening prior to the event as i was the one that rang him and told him..he didnt believ eme and had to listen to the radio to believe what i tried to tell ..yet people have written lies about dad being part of some ridiculous conspiracy..
These ridiculous conspiracy theories that are out there are obviously done by very sick people who really should get lives
the first discussion should realise that a full auto weapon at close range on unarmed shocked victims require no marksman ship ..just rerquire a sick sociopath to do it..how could u defend him?  
I remember bryant well when i was young he was very strange sick evil individual that is why he was bullied so much as a young man..he was despised by people here and that is part of the reason he snapped.
this article is a fair and reasonable description of how events occurred these people disputing these facts are so full of it it makes my blood boil
this individual killed in cold blood never forget that it is unbelievable that some try to defend him it sickens me to see these disputes ..the wikipedia article on bryant is a fair and reasonable one..i am much better placed to see this but i know that human nature will prevail and there will be these douches that disputes these facts  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cam01235 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martyn Bryant was a very strange evil man 

message: I find it highly unlikely that he has Asperger's, as people with Asperger's do not typically have traits of mental retardation.  Can someone add a source challenging this claim? (a trusted source, of course) Adam (talk) 07:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit of a problem. The article doesn't actually say he has Aspergers. It says that "Bryant's mother, Carleen Bryant, said her son had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome." When one checks the source for that, what we actually have is an article in The Age claiming that an article in New Idea claimed that his mum said that "her son had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome". Not really great evidence. HiLo48 (talk) 07:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Dr Sale, in his report of the 6 August 1996, indicates that in his opinion Mr Bryant manifested severe developmental problems during childhood and that he could be regarded as having shown a mixture of conduct disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity and a rare condition known as Asperger's Syndrome. I am in agreement with Dr Sale that the records indicate that Mr Bryant was grossly disturbed from early childhood. He can certainly be fitted within the criteria for conduct disorder, but all this amounts to in the diagnostic manual is a list of a range of aggressive destructive and deceitful behaviors during childhood and as such does not advance understanding to any degree. Asperger's Syndrome is a condition which could explain some of the abnormalities in Mr Bryant and in noting this possibility Dr Sale raises a potentially important question. The section from the text on Forensic Psychiatry convering Asperger's Syndrome appended to his report by Dr Sale though providing a good account of the forensic implications does not adequately describe the critical clinical features (as one of the authors of the chapter I can perhaps be allowed this criticism). Mr Bryant craves the attention of others. He desires relationships but fails to effectively communicate with others unlike the patients with Asperger's who are blandly indifferent to others. Mr Bryant also lacks, in my opinion, the central features of this condition which are repetitive activities, unusual skills with all absorbing obsessive interests and problems with motor coordination. He also showed marked delay in the acquisition of language skills and required remedial therapy for this language deficit which is contrary to the picture found in those with Asperger's Syndrome.
Mike Rosoft (talk) 05:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Asperger's

message: The whole point of the story is absent from the article. ?? Rcbutcher (talk) 04:39, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole point of the story is this bloke killed a bunch of people in horrific fashion. How he bought his weapons is beside the point. --Pete (talk) 05:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: How, where, when did he obtain the weapon and ammo ? How did he learn to use it ?

message: Bryant has seen more psychiatrits than any one else in Australia. In no assessments has a final diagnoses is it recorded he has Asperger syndrome. By definition his IQ is far to low.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corrupt link (talk • contribs) 03:20, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: See the section above titled Asperger's.  This has already been discussed here.  The diagnosis was made by the court-appointed psychologist Dr. Sale and reflected in the trial transcript, as reported and sourced in our article.  Do not remove it. General Ization Talk    03:25, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

text: The article doesn't say anything about a "final diagnosis". It says he was diagnosed with AS while incarcerated, and he was. The opinion of a court-appointed psychiatrist/psychologist concerning someone's mental capacity and/or disorders is called a diagnosis. If you continue to edit war over this content, you will be blocked from editing. General Ization Talk    16:28, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychiatric assessment  

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message: The section titled “Psychological and psychiatric assessments” required additional work to be compliant with the WP:BLP policy and I've just made some edits to correct a couple of issues. The primary source for that section was a copy of the psychiatric report prepared by Paul E. Mullen. In that report, he quoted Ian Sale as having indicated that Bryant could be regarded as having shown a mixture of conduct disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity and a rare condition known as Asperger's Syndrome. The assertion that Martin Bryant could be regarded as having shown a mixture of three conditions was dubiously rewritten in the article to read "While awaiting trial, Bryant was examined by court-appointed psychiatrist Ian Sale, who diagnosed Bryant with Asperger syndrome."
Ian Sale did not make a clinical diagnosis of Asperger Syndrome, or any condition for that matter. Rather he deliberately stated that Martin Bryant's behaviour could be regarded as being consistent with a mixture of three conditions. The word could is used to describe possibility, not a diagnosis. The statement in the source leaves open the equal possibility that Martin Bryant doesn't have any of these conditions and is just a prick. Furthermore, the source provided goes onto point out significant differences that separate the behaviour shown from the diagnostic criteria for AS, which further weakens the assertion that Martin Bryant was diagnosed with AS. 
I've made some changes to correct this which principally involve A) Quoting the report directly rather then engaging dubious paraphrasing. B) Removed Martin Bryant from the category "People with Asperger's Syndrome" because that assertion is not supported by the source material.   «l|Promethean|l»   (talk) 04:10, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychological and psychiatric assessments 

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message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
this article should be improved, see Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)#Mental_illness_and_copycat_effects and Talk:Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)#Demarcation_facts_vs._conspiracy_theory. Some proposals have already been made, some may come additionally. --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 09:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding anything about conspiracy theories would not be an improvement. HiLo48 (talk) 09:59, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "to be shortened" is quite the opposite of "Adding". isn't it ??? --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 11:30, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Some misunderstandings were clarified. Just for the records  --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 10:08, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement of Article  /  Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics/Gun politics  

message: ==== Literature ====
* Tool, ISBN-Formatter: https://tools.wmflabs.org/isbn/IsbnCheckAndFormat
* Tool, find Sources 
===== Literature supposed to be reliable =====
* Altmann, Carol; After Port Arthur: Personal Stories of Courage and Resilience Ten Years on from the Tragedy That Shocked the Nation, Allen & Unwin, 2006, ISBN 978-1-74176-130-6 (read online)
* Critcher, Chas; Issues in cultural and media studies, (chapter 9, "Panic at the port" P. 124) McGraw-Hill Education (UK), 2006, ISBN 978-0-335-21807-3 (read online)
* Deckert, Antje; Sarre, Rick; The Palgrave Handbook of Australian and New Zealand Criminology, Crime and Justice, Springer, 2017, ISBN  978-3-319-55747-2  (read online)
* Geipel, Ines; Der Amok-Komplex: oder die Schule des Tötens, Klett-Cotta, 2012, ISBN 978-3-608-10276-5. (Port Arthur 28. April 1996)
* Turner, Geoff; News media chronicle, July 1995 to June 1996  in Australian Studies in Journalism, Published annually by the Department of Journalism, University of Queensland.  (P. 269 f. Legal "The coverage of a massacre at the historic Port Arthur site in Tasmania on April 28, in which 35 people were killed ..."  )  
* Voumard, Sonya; The Media and the Massacre: Port Arthur 1996-2016, Transit Lounge , 2016, ISBN 978-0-9943957-2-6 (read online)
* Wainwright,Robert; Totaro,Paola; Born Or Bred: Martin Bryant : the Making of a Mass Murderer, Fairfax Media, 2009, ISBN 978-1-921486-09-8. (by The Examiner, Read online: Part1 Part2 Part3, by The Sydney Morning Herald A dangerous mind: what turned Martin Bryant into a mass murderer?)
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* Serial Murder and the Psychology of Violent Crimes
===== Literature possibly containing conspiracy theories =====
* Beattie,Stewart K.;   A Gunsmith's Notebook on Port Arthur (E-Book with 400 Pages)
* Noble, Keith Allan; MASS MURDER Official Killing in Tasmania, Australia (E-Book with 718 Pages). At p. 29 "A TANGLED WEB OF POLICE CORRUPTION " and more Info. (2.nd Edition) ISBN 978-3-47884512-0
* LaRouche: Executive Intelligence Review (EIR), Vol. 28, No. 40, 2001 Oktober, 19 ("Bryant was a known security threat", P. 60, better sources outstanding) 
* Vance, Lloyd T; The Truth About Port Arthur (Part 1), Publication date 2015-11-12,  Identifier: TheTruthAboutPortArthurPart1_201511 Archive.org
* Vialls, Joe; THE PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE CONSPIRACY (E-Book with 74 Pages)]
==== other Sources ====
_____ before the massacre ____
* Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier; "There will never be uniform Gun Laws in Australia until we see a massacre somewhere in Tasmania", December, 1987 
* Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier; "It will take a massacre in Tasmania before we get gun law reform in Australia", Chapman P. 102
_____ after the massacre _____
* Prime Mininster, 1996, April, 29 TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP PRESS CONFERENCE - PARLIAMENT HOUSE  (~Port Arthur & gun laws) 
* HVP No 1 - 30 APRIL 1996; TRAGEDY AT PORT ARTHUR, TASMANIA (THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA, House Votes and Proceedings: "Mr Howard (Prime Minister), by leave, moved—That this House: (a)   expresses its shock .....")
* SJ No 1 - 30 APRIL 1996,  Deaths at Port Arthur, Tasmania (Senate Journal: "The President invited honourable senators to join him in observing a minute's silence in memory of those who died in the tragic events at Port Arthur in Tasmania and in sympathy with their loved ones and friends.")
* House Hansard, Wednesday, 1 May 1996, Page: 90; TASMANIA: TRAGEDY AT PORT ARTHUR ("Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Nehl) —It being 10.30 a.m., I ask honourable members, and visitors in the gallery if they wish to join us, to rise for one minute's silence as a mark of respect for the victims and families of this week's Port Arthur tragedy.")
* House Hansard, Thursday, 9 May 1996 Page: 766 f.  Gun Control ("... Denison (Mr Kerr) proposing ... The need to give full support to the Commonwealth's initiatives to secure stricter gun control ...")
* Prime Mininster, 1996, July, 2 TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP PRESS CONFERENCE - SYDNEY  (~crimping magzines) 
* Parliament House, Canberra, Current Issues Brief 16 1995-96; After Port Arthur - Issues of Gun Control in Australia
* Tasmanian Government, 1999: Review of Jury Act 1899 ("There has been no systematic review of the Jury Act 1899 since its enactment.") 
* The Sydney Morning Herald, September 19, 2008, Andrew Darby;  Port Arthur lawyer jailed for stealing (refers to JOHN AVERY + "Bryant's change of plea in 1996 avoided a longer and more harrowing trial over the shooting in which 35 people died.")
* Collection of Port Arthur Documents 2009
* Parliament House, Canberra, Posted 21/12/2012 by Jonathan Curtis, Australian gun laws
* ADVOCACY CONVENTION 2014 - HOBART, TASMANIA: "The Advocacy Convention is open to local and interstate practitioners wishing to improve their trial techniques and hone their advocacy skills."
* Parliament House, Canberra, Posted 19/10/2016 by Cat Barker; Regulation of lever-action shotguns
* Heath, Jack; WA Police Union refuse to withdraw offensive video stigmatising mental illness (SANE Australia, Date: 24/11/2016)
_____ after the massacre / TV-Videos _____
* NBC Sunday Today 28 April 1996 first coverage of Port Arthur massacre TV-News-Video (youtube video)
* NBC Today on April 29,1996; TV-News-Video (youtube video)
* 7 Nightly News Port Arthur massacre on April 29,1996; TV-News-Video (youtube video)
* The Port Arthur Massacre - Australia's Worst Shooting Spree in History (Crime Documentary) (youtube video)
* Studio 10; Walter Mikac and John Caldwell - Port Arthur Anniversary - (2016) TV-News-Video (youtube video)
* signing area for additions to calm the bot :-p) --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 09:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for Improvements 

message: _____ before the massacre ____
* Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier; "There will never be uniform Gun Laws in Australia until we see a massacre somewhere in Tasmania", December, 1987 
* Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier; "It will take a massacre in Tasmania before we get gun law reform in Australia", Chapman P. 102
_____ after the massacre _____
* Prime Mininster, 1996, April, 29 TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP PRESS CONFERENCE - PARLIAMENT HOUSE  (~Port Arthur & gun laws) 
* HVP No 1 - 30 APRIL 1996; TRAGEDY AT PORT ARTHUR, TASMANIA (THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA, House Votes and Proceedings: "Mr Howard (Prime Minister), by leave, moved—That this House: (a)   expresses its shock .....")
* SJ No 1 - 30 APRIL 1996,  Deaths at Port Arthur, Tasmania (Senate Journal: "The President invited honourable senators to join him in observing a minute's silence in memory of those who died in the tragic events at Port Arthur in Tasmania and in sympathy with their loved ones and friends.")
* House Hansard, Wednesday, 1 May 1996, Page: 90; TASMANIA: TRAGEDY AT PORT ARTHUR ("Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Nehl) —It being 10.30 a.m., I ask honourable members, and visitors in the gallery if they wish to join us, to rise for one minute's silence as a mark of respect for the victims and families of this week's Port Arthur tragedy.")
* House Hansard, Thursday, 9 May 1996 Page: 766 f.  Gun Control ("... Denison (Mr Kerr) proposing ... The need to give full support to the Commonwealth's initiatives to secure stricter gun control ...")
* Prime Mininster, 1996, July, 2 TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP PRESS CONFERENCE - SYDNEY  (~crimping magzines) 
* Parliament House, Canberra, Current Issues Brief 16 1995-96; After Port Arthur - Issues of Gun Control in Australia
* Tasmanian Government, 1999: Review of Jury Act 1899 ("There has been no systematic review of the Jury Act 1899 since its enactment.") 
* The Sydney Morning Herald, September 19, 2008, Andrew Darby;  Port Arthur lawyer jailed for stealing (refers to JOHN AVERY + "Bryant's change of plea in 1996 avoided a longer and more harrowing trial over the shooting in which 35 people died.")
* Collection of Port Arthur Documents 2009
* Parliament House, Canberra, Posted 21/12/2012 by Jonathan Curtis, Australian gun laws
* ADVOCACY CONVENTION 2014 - HOBART, TASMANIA: "The Advocacy Convention is open to local and interstate practitioners wishing to improve their trial techniques and hone their advocacy skills."
* Parliament House, Canberra, Posted 19/10/2016 by Cat Barker; Regulation of lever-action shotguns
* Heath, Jack; WA Police Union refuse to withdraw offensive video stigmatising mental illness (SANE Australia, Date: 24/11/2016)
_____ after the massacre / TV-Videos _____
* NBC Sunday Today 28 April 1996 first coverage of Port Arthur massacre TV-News-Video (youtube video)
* NBC Today on April 29,1996; TV-News-Video (youtube video)
* 7 Nightly News Port Arthur massacre on April 29,1996; TV-News-Video (youtube video)
* The Port Arthur Massacre - Australia's Worst Shooting Spree in History (Crime Documentary) (youtube video)
* Studio 10; Walter Mikac and John Caldwell - Port Arthur Anniversary - (2016) TV-News-Video (youtube video)
* signing area for additions to calm the bot :-p) --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 09:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  other Sources 

message: During checking and referencing the article I remarked that there is a problem with one of the main sources for this article:
* Title: IN THE CRIMINAL SITTINGS OF THE SUPREME COURT HELD AT NUMBER 7 COURT, SALAMANCA PLACE, HOBART, BEFORE HIS HONOUR THE CHIEF JUSTICE, ON TUESDAY THE 19TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 1996 THE QUEEN  v.  MARTIN BRYANT used by this source is not complete. Texts begins with Page No. 50 and it is obviously an abstract of the original. There is no knowledge about who made this abstract or this Additionally this text was retrieved from "www.shootersnews.addr.com". Under this circumstances this text might be doubtful. --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 15:42, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with used sources of the article 

message: The article contains & is based on sources which can not be accepted for wikipedia because of WP:SYTH WP:NOR etc. The article needs reliable sources. A collection of sources is to be seen above. First choice are books out of the section Literature supposed to be reliable. In the article texts without sources or not suitable sources have to be shortened. Best --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 09:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding anything about conspiracy theories would not be an improvement. HiLo48 (talk) 09:59, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "to be shortened" is quite the opposite of "Adding". isn't it ??? --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 11:30, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Some misunderstandings were clarified. Just for the records  --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 10:08, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: This does not have a source.--Jack Upland (talk) 20:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  1035 years