Talk:Surf culture/Archive 1

message: Is it possible to fix the position of the contents menu panel, so it appears beside the introduction, rather than below it with blank space beside it? Maradja 00:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's been fixed. —Kenyon (t·c) 08:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: I've requested speedy deletion of the apparent attack page Post Surf Culture. I mention it here because this is the only page that currently links to it, so the link should presumably be deleted from this page if the attack article is indeed deleted. --Officiallyover 14:23, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post Surf Culture for speedy deletion 

message: See talk:Gidget for some background. Andrewa 07:43, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awesome expansion of this article! 

message: It's interesting that only the negative side of "localism" is portraied in this article.
Don't get me wrong, localism has a very definate negative side.
But it also has a positive side, where groms and newcomers pay their dues and are mentored by older, more experienced locals in a give spot or area.  This is somewhat like an apprenticeship.
Also, we don't reference well know "surf gangs" like Da Hui and the Bra Boys, who are intricately tied in with localism and surf culture and have Wikipedia entries of their own. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dougirwin13 (talk • contribs) 01:17, September 20, 2006  (UTC)
:Yeah, and everything before the Quotes section should probably be broken up into more sections. —Kenyon (t·c) 08:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that if such can be found it should be included. Anarchangel (talk) 06:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My group and i have added information on surf gangs and it may take a day or two to get all of the citation it, but we're working on it!:)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kassie0303 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I think the gangs should be added as it's part of the localism that has already been mentioned.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:55, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Localism" Inaccurate/Incomplete? 

message: Hi guys, like i said earlier my group contributed a section about surf gangs. We thought this relevant to localism because of the tendency for gangs to form because of this value. 3 out of 4 gangs are not listed on Wikipedia so we thought it would be important to add them considering their prevelance in surf culture. We did give a brief description of the Bra Boys and added a hyperlink to their other page on Wikipedia. We are still waiting for the citations to be put in for Cito Rats and they should be up soon. Let us know what you think! user:Kassie0303  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kassie0303 (talk • contribs) 03:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the gangs should be added as it's part of the localism that has already been mentioned.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:55, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Surf Gangs

message: I've added merge tags to three sections that seem to belong more in the general surfing article than this surfing culture sub-article. I think they fall out of the scope of this article. -- Jmartinsson 20:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: General Surfing Issues

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message: i think it should because technically, hollister's theme is california, surfing, and beach... what does everyone else think? - J-Whitt 02:37, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Under "fashion", should Hollister Co. be added? 

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message: The article needs to mention the various high schools in the Los Angeles area which have always had a large surfer student body such as Venice High, Santa Monica High, Palisades High, Culver City High.--jeanne (talk) 15:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it needs to, but if the article does include "surfer" high schools then there should be a citation from a reliable source that they are considered such.  And because this is a worldwide encyclopedia, I would not limit it to just L.A. high schools. Alanraywiki (talk) 16:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I attended Venice High and it was always called a "surfer" high school, same as the others I listed. And yes, it shouldn't be limited to Los Angeles.Finding the sources which label them as such could be a time-consuming problem though.--jeanne (talk) 16:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The lack of citations is a huge problem with this article.  The article really needs to become more encyclopedic, so more verifiable content and less original research is needed.  So while I personally don't have a problem with adding a section like that, we really do need citations.  That would include the "surfer" high school I attended, Huntington Beach High School.  Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 16:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Surfer" high schools in the Los Angeles area

message: Sorry, but this article is just dumb. What next? A full-length article about water skiing culture? --98.196.33.67 (talk) 11:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it dumb to use your expresion? Surfing and the culture which accompanies the sport/lifestyle has been around for many decades in places such as Southern California, Hawaii, Australia, so an article is quite appropriate.--jeanne (talk) 08:02, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Struck WP:SOAPBOX not furthering the improvement of the main article. Do not feed the trolls. Anarchangel (talk) 06:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stupid Article 

message: I just do not believe someone set out to make a 'spirituality' section about how some surfers are Christians. Someone please look in the history for the original stuff, thank you. Help WP help you. Anarchangel (talk) 06:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spirituality 

message: ===Surfing portals===
*Surf Life
*Maine Surf Culture
*International surfing news
*Surfing Videos
*Eppic Surf
*Costa Rica Surfing
*SurferToday - Waveriding news provider
*Tubasos.com Puerto Rico Surfing and Bodyboarding website
*Surf-news.net - Educational resource
===Surfing blogs===
The below are representative of the hundreds of surf blogs created since 2002.
*Clidro - I should be on the beach
*Confessions of a Novice Surfer
*AIBK
*Sissyfish
*70%
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===Live surf cams===
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 Thousands of sites offer surf forecasting and reporting, from single beaches to the entire world.  Among them are:
*Coastal Watch -  Australia
*SURFcasts.com
*Magic Seaweed
*Storm Surf - California
*Surfline
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*Swellinfo
*Wind Guru
===CD-ROM===
*Surfology 101
===Video games about surfing===
*Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer
*TransWorld Surf"
*TransWorld Surf: Next Wave
*California Games
*Sunny Garcia Surfing
===3D models===
*Tubing wave, using SketchUp, can be downloaded into Google Earth.
*Surfboard, using SketchUp
*Surfboard, available in various formats.
Anarchangel (talk) 20:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
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message: *Tubing wave, using SketchUp, can be downloaded into Google Earth.
*Surfboard, using SketchUp
*Surfboard, available in various formats.
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message: The article states, rather suspiciously in my view, that Nat Young attempted to "register surfing as a religion". This reminds me of the spurious claims made as part of the Jedi census phenomenon that if enough people said they were Jedis it would become an 'official' religion, with no details on what exactly that was meant to mean. Does the Australian government maintain an official list of religions? I doubt it somehow. Second point: an academic article by Bron Taylor is mentioned, but not explicitly cited. Please can anyone who knows it add the full bibliographic information so that people can get at the original. Furthermore, there is a claim of extensive discussion of Taylor's article in surfing magazines. Which surfing magazines, when? That's two references to something in the literature without the basic details that would allow readers to follow it up. Beorhtwulf (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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message: The section on surf gangs as it's currently written feels like a paraphrase of the source magazines rather than an encyclopedic article, and it has a pretty obvious editorial slant intended to portray surf gangs as beneficial/necessary to the maintenance of order and safety in local surf spots.  When reality has a bias towards a position, it is what it is, but there's no cited empirical research to support baking that angle into the article.  Instead, we have gems like:
:"In an incident where a tourist cut off a friend of Alexander’s in a dangerous six-foot swell, the Wolfpak leader beat up the visitor for his poor decision and later reflected on the positive outcomes native enforcement could bring."
Which is highly anecdotal, uses inappropriately unsupported judgmental language, and to top it off, the source is throwing 404s.  Looking at internet archive, it's a brief retrospective from a member of the Wolfpak.  This is not even remotely defensible to include with that wording.  The surf gang section as a whole doesn't seem to be written in a manner that expands the overarching 'surf culture' article.  Each part is just kind-of there.  I'd suggest just scrapping them in their present state.  Until there's something better there, it seems more sensible to just mention them by name in the localism section for notability. 69.80.178.4 (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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