Talk:Fabian Ware

message: The article doesn't explain how he acquired the rank of Major General if he was never (apparently) in the Army ??? 91.106.250.22 (talk) 15:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: *http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/exact=Fabian+Arthur+Goulstone+Ware/start=1
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This covers quite a lot of his honours and promotions, don't seem to have tracked down his intial commission on transfer to the army though.  David Underdown (talk) 11:37, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
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message: From ONB "chairman of the National Education Union; an honorary associate of the Royal Institute of British Architects; and a director of the journal Nineteenth Century and After... His name is additionally commemorated in St George's Chapel in Westminster Abbey." — Preceding unsigned comment added by  Eddie891 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
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message: I feel that there are some omissions about Ware's post-war work in the last section of the article, in particular his contributions in Gloucestershire which are mentioned in his tombstone pictured in the article. The ODNB states that he was chairman of the National Education Union and a director of the journal Nineteenth Century and After. His entry in Who's Who also mentions that he was a member of Imperial Committee on Economic Consultation and Co-operation in 1933; Chairman of Executive of the Parents' National Educational Union (and was President in 1945); President of the Gloucestershire Rural Community Council; and Chairman of the Gloucestershire Branch of Council for the Preservation of Rural England. It also mentions his appointment as Commander of the Legion of Honour in 1932, and his promotion to Grand Officer in 1938. Finally, I notice that the article here doesn't mention his CMG and CB appointments (in the text, with dates and sources), nor does it seem to mention his promotions through the ranks, even though it is stated he ended his career as a Major General. Not major issues, but I think these things deserve mention somewhere. Thanks, —Noswall59 (talk) 13:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , I'm slowly getting to them... Just fully incorporated the ODNB source. If you have any more suggestions just let me know Eddie891  Talk Work  14:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-war work 

message: The last clause of the quote in Early life reads oddly to me - but obviously, if that’s what the quote says... Is it actually “relative” rather than “relatively”? KJP1 (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , both Wilson (A Study in the History and Politics of The Morning Post) and Crane (Empires of the Dead) quote it as 'relatively'... I agree it's odd phrasing, but it appears that's what it was. Eddie891  Talk Work  00:15, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for checking, and as that’s how he phrased it, that’s how it should be. It’s a very nice article, by the way, and I shall look out for it at FAC. KJP1 (talk) 05:26, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life - quote 

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message: I have removed the mention of and link to National Education Union, as the article linked is the modern trade union formed in 2017. I strongly suspect that this is a slip by A. J. A. Morris and the ODNB for Parents' National Educational Union mentioned and referenced later in the paragraph, but which Morris fails to mention. There was another "National Education Union" which was an Anglican body set up to oppose the National Education League , but I rather think this had long gone by Ware's time. DuncanHill (talk) 17:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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message: I only noticed just now that you did get Fabian Ware to featured article status in the end. Congratulations on that. I have just been reading it and it looks great. Nice to see that the blue plaque image I added back in 2016 is still there (though I feel a bit guilty there is no reference!). I was minded to look into that again (for some reason I thought I had a photo from Westminster Abbey of the [small] memorial stone there [which the IWM War Memorials Register lists as an 'exception' to their inclusion criteria!], but I don't have a photo of that after all) and I noticed there is another (local) plaque marking his birthplace in Bristol, on Glendower House - it seems a bit obscure, though see here and here. I had a bit more luck with finding a freely licensed photo of his CWGC-style grave headstone in Amberley, and have uploaded that to Commons and added to the image category for him, see here - I prefer the Gloucester Cathedral tablet image, but you may want to find room for the grave photo? (I was unaware until now of the 'epitaph' there: "I BELIEVE IN THE COMMUNION OF SAINTS" - I can't remember how much Crane and others talk of Ware's religion - was he deeply religious?) Carcharoth (talk) 02:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for looking into this! I'll add the image when I get a chance, as well as a mention of the plaque and that it's an exception-- all very interesting. wrt the Westminster Abbey memorial, the last time I was there, I inquired about where his stone would be, and if memory serves it was in an area I couldn't easily take a picture in. Looking at Crane right now, in the index under 'Ware, Fabian Arthur Goulstone; religious influence on", I see two places where it turns up: On p. 15, Crane writes that his childhood was steeped in "the theological rancour of Victorian England's most combative, divisive and embattled Calvinist sect" and says as an adult "his whole life remained a constant such for a faith or dream". The following page, Crane expounds on that, saying that ware was looking for an alternative "for the religious certitudes and deep seriousness of the faith he had intellectually abandoned". He goes on to write that "Ware's whole life became a violent rejection of a sect that had turned its back on the whole world". Then on p.229, Crane mentions religion a bit again. From reading the book, I didn't get the impression he was deeply religious, but could add a mention if you think it's relevant. Anyways, I'll try to get to this asap, but I have got a lot to catch up on. Best wishes, Eddie891  Talk Work  12:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ware tablet (really just a rectanglar stone placed in the wall) is in St George's Chapel (originally the Warriors Chapel) to the right of the main door as you go in (i.e. to your right as you face the grave of the Unknown Warrior). When I was in that area after the service to dedicate the floor tablet to C. S. Lewis in December 2013, I took a photo of the WW2 Civilian Roll of Honour (see also here), but the chapel itself is generally locked and not well-lit. The other item in that side chapel is the tablet to the British Empire dead of the World Wars (originally just for WWI of course) - there is a fascinating history there, which I did an article on here (there is an error there relating to later tablets that I think were never actually erected that needs correcting by digging into the CWGC online archives). The photos in that article are from several countries, including some from a trip to Amiens, but annoyingly I failed to set the resolution on my camera to a high enough setting to be able to transcribe the Afrikaans inscription on the memorial tablet in Amiens Cathedral in 2014 (though it was hard to even find that tablet it looks so different to the others). Anyway, the reason I mention it is that Ware does mention the cathedral tablets a fair amount in his reports and his The Immortal Heritage (1937) - do you have a copy of that? I may be too close to the subject of the cathedral tablets to judge it objectively, but could you look and see if you think it should be mentioned in the Ware article? This should really be taken to the article talk page, please feel free to move it there. Carcharoth (talk) 14:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apologies, I let this one get away with me, while experimenting with the admin tools, among other things. I think there's definitely room for a mention of the memorial tablets in here-- Though I don't own Ware's book, I have looked through it. I don't really have access to the sourcing to write the part, so please feel free to write a bit if you have the time! Best, Eddie891  Talk Work  11:28, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. I didn't see this until just now, and it has just run as featured article (congrats on that). I will think on this and see if I can add something suitable at some point. Carcharoth (talk) 04:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fabian Ware 

message: section: Directorate of Graves Registration and Enquiries
As Ware's work with graves continued, discussion about a "double identity disc" (previously there was only one per soldier) began in early 1916 and continued through 1915. I do not have access to the references so have not changed anything but surely one of the years is wrong? Thanks, an informative article Edmund Patrick –  confer 10:17, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for bringing this up. I've had a look at the sourcing, and  is sourced to Ashbridge, p.24, which says . However, as is clearly described later, the discussion did not begin then, but continued. I've rephrased to "Began in 1915 and continued into early 1916. Let me know if that doesn't work. Thanks, Eddie891  Talk Work  12:21, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  conflict of dates