Talk:Iron Butterfly

message: 12.72.134.101 15:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If a good source can be found, that can be posted on the article. BacktableSpeak to Meabout what I have done 01:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

text: 'Heavy' was a term used back in the Fifties among beatniks, so, no.50.111.1.254 (talk) 06:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Something

message: The main article suggests that "Innagaddadivida" was the group's biggest hit, and I don't dispute that, but how high did "Soul Experience" climb the charts when Ball first came out?  I seem to remember 'Soul Experience' receiving a ton of air play in 1969 and 1970.
12.72.134.101 15:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have now noted and referenced in the article on Ball, "Soul Experience" managed to get as high as #75.  This makes it the band's third-highest charting single; "Easy Rider (let the wind pay the way)" was their second-highest.--Martin IIIa (talk) 01:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Soul Experience" was a chart-climber in 1969 or 1970 

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message: This current ones an album cover which really isnt a great lead. Any viable pic of the band? LordRobert 12:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Better Lead Image?

message: Is the young guitarist's name Brann or Braunn?  The article uses both spellings.  I seem to remember Braunn, but I no longer have the album to check.  I also remember hearing that he was only high-school age when "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" was released.  That'd be interesting in the article, if true. Grinhooks (talk) 16:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name correction, please 

message: This section is poorly formatted and too big, as well as unprofessionally written in places. Can anyone who knows a lot about Iron Butterfly fix it up? Rarr (talk) 01:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: i compacted the formatting. someone else will have to look at the content  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 19:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lineup section

message: There was a discussion to this effect on the "list of best-selling albums" page, but how many copies each did Iron Butterfly's albums sell? Especial "In A Gadda Da Vida". The discography page says that "Heavy" and "Ball" went Gold each, and "In A Gadda Da Vida" went Quadruple Platinum, yet this seems ridiculously low. Any help, with sources/links/whatever would help to improve this article. Thank you. Dr Rgne (talk) 12:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Album sales

message: The cut, In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, was a very popular song for a group of morse intercept folks at Rothwesten.......you know who you were...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdodson (talk • contribs) 02:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connections to a Group of Guys in Germany 

message: It doesn't need to be there. However, I do not know how to remove it, so if anyone else is able to do that, then that would be nice. Thank you. BacktableSpeak to Meabout what I have done 23:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. It might be better to replace the picture entirely with something a little better than a non-flat photo of the band? Let me go look in my collection. Or if you have a better one... Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 08:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for fixing that loose text; it is much appreciated. I wouldn't mind the photo being replaced, but I don't have much experience with uploading photos on wikipedia. I might get aaround to uploading photos one day, but it definitely is one of my current weaknesses, unfortunately. BacktableSpeak to Meabout what I have done 21:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The text around the infobox picture 

message: Iron Butterfly issued a new album called The Lost Broadcasts link 1, link 2 --Marekkoudelka (talk) 09:39, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New album 

message: I propose that the articles Martin Gerschwitz, Erik Brann, Jerry Penrod, Darryl DeLoach, and Danny Weis be merged into this article.  None of these people have any notability outside of their involvement with Iron Butterfly, and aside from Brann, none have notability even there, having contributed to at most one album.  This means that, with the possible exception of Brann, they all fail to meet WP:MUSICBIO.  More importantly, since they all essentially just repeat information already found in the main Iron Butterfly article, the existence of separate articles just multiplies the amount of work Iron Butterfly editors have to do.  Finally, all the articles are in poor shape as far as references go, and merging them into Iron Butterfly will ensure that information gets attention from a greater variety of editors.--Martin IIIa (talk) 21:26, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. Those particular articles do not have much going for them. They are very short and have at most one reference in the page. However, there is Jerry Penrod's article, which states that he has been in two bands with Wikipedia articles (Iron Butterfly and Rhinoceros.) Maybe some more information could be added to that one, but if it is necessary for them all to be redirected, then so be it. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 04:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad... I don't know how I managed such a blatant oversight, but it completely slipped my mind that both Weis and Penrod were later in Rhinocerous.  The problem remains that their articles have both been around for years and still have little enough content that they would fit more conveniently within Iron Butterfly, but they at least have notability independent of Iron Butterfly, and this raises the question of whether Weis and Penrod should redirect to Iron Butterfly or Rhinoceros.  Maybe we should put those two on hold for now and just merge the other three?--Martin IIIa (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the meantime, I think that's a good idea. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 22:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it looks like that's all the discussion this proposal is going to get, so I'll close the discussion and do the merges. If I have a moment, I'll try to dig up more content for the Weis and Penrod articles, too.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: This has been puzzling me ever since I first picked up Metamorphosis about 8 or 9 years ago. Every history of Iron Butterfly I've seen says that Mike Pinera and Rhino joined the band prior to the recording of the album. Yet the album itself - whose reliability is hard to question - designates them as non-members. For starters, it's credited not to Iron Butterfly, but to "Iron Butterfly With Pinera and Rhino". Far more tellingly, it ambiguously credits all songs as written by Iron Butterfly, and upon checking the BMI records for these songs, I find they belong to Ron Bushy, Lee Dorman, and Doug Ingle. Pinera and Rhino have no ownership on any of them. On top of all that, it is odd that the band would hire two additional guitarists when they already had two in their very ranks, especially as they'd gotten on just fine with only one guitarist before.
It's easy to draw an explanation for how so many IB histories would get this point wrong: At some point, a historian decided to simplify the story of Pinera and Rhino's involvement with Metamorphosis and just say they were already official members at that time, and subsequent historians just repeated what they'd read from this guy. It wouldn't be the first time such an oversimplification was passed around as historical fact. And yet, I find the whole thing puzzling, given how prominently Pinera and Rhino are featured on the album's sleeve, and the unquestionable fact that they did join at some point before the breakup. Is there anyone here who has heard any details of exactly how Pinera and Rhino came to join the band?--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:06, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Pinera and Rhino were full-fledged members. They joined the group, which then toured in support of the 'live' album, then all went into the studio to record the "Meta.." album.  Rhino was unable to get a writing credit due to contractual difficulties, and Pinera probably had some input into arrangements, at least. Many reasons can account for not getting writing credits in rock groups. Oh, and there's nothing at all 'odd' about hiring two guitarists. Rhino was quite a catch and added some virtuosity in that department that was quite beyond Braunn's playing. Oh, and the 'with' was just a way to give the new guys some notice to the public.50.111.1.254 (talk) 06:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  How did Pinera and Rhino join? 

message: Under the "bop" section it states "...in all the the album has sold 30 million copies...". This could then replace the outdated "25 million" number listed in the article. Eye Fields (talk) 17:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, neither of those really work. The second source is reliable, but they specifically note that the 30 million figure came from the band's website, which is of course not an independent source. The first source is a site selling tickets for the band's shows, so most likely that bio came from the band's management as well. Also, in purely logical terms, the 30 million figure seems dubious. If we accept the 25 million figure as accurate, then that means the album sold 5 million copies in the past 5 years, yet so far as I know there's been no surge of interest in the album over that time. Most likely Iron Butterfly's management is rounding the album's sales up to the nearest ten million.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Ah, okay. I haven't seen any sources on the album's sales that date back to the 90s. The problem remains, though, that neither of the sources you've linked can be cited for that fact. I'll see if I can dig up a better reference when I get some time.--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

text: ...Bad news. I've done some searching, and while I did turn up two more reliable sources stating over 30 million in sales ( and ), both of them explicitly cite the band's website as the source of the figure. That's three reliable sources now that we've found which rely on the band's website, which makes me suspect there may not be a better source for the 30 million figure out there. Also, I stumbled on an old 2008 discussion of the matter at Talk:List of best-selling albums/Archive 3, and they couldn't find a good source for it either. We may be stuck with 25 million until there are further developments.--Martin IIIa (talk) 22:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a Reliable Source? 

message: I replaced four instances of "Bruce Morris" with "Morse", because it seems that's the name of the percussionist. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 18:37, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morris is actually Morse 

message: The sentence including the following - "DeLoach subsequently recorded with Two Guitars, Piano, Drum and Darryl" - seems a bit unclear. Is Two Guitars, Piano . . . a musical group? The statement implies this but is not clear in it's intent. It also seems somewhat out of place as it appears seemingly out of nowhere and unconnected to the previous paragraph. Thoughts?THX1136 (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  DeLoach information 

message: Puple Pyrimd Records released two inoffical live albums in May and August this year; (Live At The Galaxy 1967) and Live in Copenhagen 1971. I didn't do a article beacuse only two sources could be found [RateYourMusic.com] and [Entry on Allmusic] and I felt the earlier material would be worth an article due its rareness on the market.  Saemikneu (talk) 12:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New inoffical live albums 

message: Johnnie Taylor's "Disco Lady" is the first Platinum® single. The first Platinum™ album certified by the RIAA® was The Eagles' Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975.
There's a misunderstanding there. In A Gadda Da Vida was released in early 1968. Bu late 1969 it had sold more than ten million copies in the USA alone. At the time the only award for certification was Gold(which was for sales of half a million copies in the USA). In A Gadda Da Vida had already been certified Gold, but that seemed a bit silly, considering how many copies the album had already sold, and was still in the Top 10(and would be the biggest selling album in the USA for the calendar year 1969). For this reason, Iron Butterfly's record company created a special award, the 'Platinum Record', with Atlantic Records head Ahmet Ertegun presenting it to them, and noting that 'the Gold Record certification is meaningless at this point. The album has sold twenty times that amount'. Note that this was not the RIAA, but rather Atlantic Records acknowledging one of their own artists' extraordinary sales. The RIAA only introduced the 'Platinum Record' award(for sales of one million copies in the USA) some years later, and for the RIAA Platinum Record, The Eagles were indeed the first act to receive that RIAA award from the RIAA. Laughably, the RIAA only recognize sales of "4 million" for In A Gadda Da Vida in the USA, which is pretty much what In A Gadda Da Vida sold in the USA AFTER 1976, with no recognition of the huge sales before that date.
:Rubbish. CREAM was awarded platinum sales for their 3rd album, "Wheels of Fire" in 1969 - see Chris Welch's well-documented bio of the group.50.111.1.254 (talk) 06:18, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  People may have taken what you say seriously if you hadn't started your post by saying "Rubbish". Take your foul attitude elsewhere.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.87.143.7 (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  RIAA 

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message: As I've noted in a recently added footnote to Ball (Iron Butterfly album), I am thoroughly befuddled by the songwriting credits for this song. The album gives the credit (Ingle, Bushy, Brann), but the song dates back to Iron Butterfly's early days, long before Erik Brann was associated with the group. The July 1967 live recording of "Real Fright" on the album Live at the Galaxy 1967 seems identical to the version on Ball in terms of composition, apparently eliminating the possibility that Brann made changes to the song after he joined. Even more confusing, the song was registered with BMI twice, with two completely different songwriter credits, neither of which matches the credit given on the album. The first time, BMI Work #1232752, the song was credited to Doug Ingle and Erik Brann. The second time, BMI Work #1232753, the song was credited to Danny Weis and Darryl DeLoach.
Anybody have a clue what the deal here is? Alternatively, anyone know of a way of contacting either the Iron Butterfly fan base or any of the band members so that I can ask them?--Martin IIIa (talk) 19:23, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Fright 

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message: This page is overly long with people's names. How do we know who was a "member" and who was just someone who filled in for a night. This has become a clutter of people's names, and with no citations proving any of this. I could probably add any ole name to the list and it might not be noticed. I wouldn't be surprised if there might be somebody's dog listed as a laugh. This needs to be correctly cited and the names need to be cut back. I really doubt that Iron Butterfly has had this many members over time.Sgerbic (talk) 02:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Who?  

message: I was trying to add a RIAA Gold certification on the album "Heavy" but accidentally broke the section, can someone please undo it and add the Gold certification please? Easyrider77 (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . Easy fix there; thanks for being up front and honest about it. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 23:40, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: THANK YOU!!!!!!!! Easyrider77 (talk) 01:25, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  I accidentally broke the discography section    

message: The timeline is too big, so lets condense it and put the old timeline on a "List Of Iron Butterfly Members" page. Easyrider77 (talk) 20:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we condense the timeline? If so, can it be from 1966 to  1976