Talk:Bordeaux

message: I'm thinking someone went a little overboard with all the pictures. Lmz00 06:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can edit the infobox here Template:Bordeaux infobox. Rl 12:09, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why do a template if this template is only used on this page? antoinou2958 22:49, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Umm...

message: i think i would like to take a poo in bordeaux and maybe take a trip to see it in the dranage pipes--82.6.4.204 (talk) 21:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Infobox Template proposition 

message: What is it with this appearing in all the city articles? It far outweighs any other topic, yet is of only one particular interest presented from one viewpoint. This sort of subject can only be encyclopedic under its proper heading, that is to say "Ecclesiastical history of Bordeaux." Please move it to its proper place. THEPROMENADER 23:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I should say,  concerning your contribution, 'its own place' means 'accurately descriptive namespace' and 'space ample enough for all the detail it contains'. I will not be getting into a discussion about the details of this, although I do see the sense in your "Bishopric of" rather than "Ecclesiatical history of". I would much rather that you, the more knowledgable on the subject in which you are contributing, undertake this extraction/article creation. Thank you if you do. THEPROMENADER 20:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ecclesiastical History? 

message: Deleted flags as per this diff, this article WP:FLAGS, this debate, and this admin. One down, umpteen thousand to go. Pedro |  Talk   21:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: Can anybody comment on the climate? Is it Mediterranean? 66.183.217.31 19:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  climate 

message: There is a problem with the introduction, aires urbaines no longer exist and are replaced by aire d'attraction. Those of us acquainted with french city planning and Bordeaux in particular, know it doesn't change much because in the case of Bordeaux the same peculiarities remain :
The fact that the nearby city of Libourne is not considered as part of the aire d'attraction, because the INSEE considers it is a pole urbain of its own (whereas 20% + of its workforce works in Bordeaux, making it part of the AAV De Facto according to INSEE's own definition) makes the measuring of Bordeaux's aire d'attraction somewhat complex, hence quite unreliable. 
Bordeaux has this peculiarity that it has several satelite cities like Langon, Libourne, Arcachon that are very close and have a high level of interaction with the core of the Area (commuting with the RER metropolitain, % of workforce working in the core, high dependence on the core's infrastructure) but still, form small semi functional pole urbains of their own. For that reason, their absence in the counting of the Aire Urbaine / Aire d'attraction should be mentioned
That is why the best way to understand the population of big cities in France, remains to count the population at the Metropole scale, because the Metropole is not a vague statistic object that changes from a context to the other, but a clear perimeter. Above all, it is the only that has a technical, political, financial existence and progressively seizes more and more functions from the municipality and the department as you all know.
In the end, if we are to display the info in order of importance, the Metropole de Bordeaux population should be shown in 2d position and not in 3rd position.Precision on the election mode at the EPCI shouldn't be given here (it's the duty of a specific article), or, if we are to have that level of precision then a balanced approach should also state the importance and relevance of the EPCI. In the end that would be too much info for an introduction, where we're supposed to only give numbers  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.190.176.182 (talk) 18:26, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of habitants 

message: It is stated in the article that Bordueax became part of the 'English realm' whereas it is the other way around. The realm of England became part of the Angevin Empire and any other interpretation of this is only the ubiquitious English centred attitude to European history.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.195.144 (talk) 20:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do go ahead and change it as necessary, if you're still monitoring this. I've also raised a question at Talk:House of Plantagenet#Was Bordeaux English?.--A bit iffy (talk) 08:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has responded at Talk:House of Plantagenet#Was Bordeaux English? saying that England was French. Hence I've simply removed the part about it being in the English realm.--A bit iffy (talk) 08:00, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Please, the Kingdom of England was not 'French' under the Plantagenet Kings! In origin the founder of the Planategent dynasty was certainly a French count, but the origin of the person wearing the crown does not determine the nationality of the State! Following from this, Aquitaine (Guyenne) and it's capital Bordeaux was part of the territories belonging to the King of England. However, it is also true that this did not make Aquitaine English either! Merely, the Duke of Aquitaine was a foreign King who swore fealty to the King of France for his possession(s) (except during the period just after the Treaty of Bretigny (1360), which made the Duchy of Aquitaine a sovereign state ultimately answerable to the King of England alone, through his appointed Duke, Edward 'The Black Prince' Prince of Wales). Ds1994 (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History misconception 

message: I moved some sections around (History upwards, Demographics downwards) because the Climate subsection had been running across the Infobox. Another editor had attempted to fix this with this edit by adding extra blank lines, but that still wasn't satisfactory to my mind. If someone's got a better solution please go ahead.--A bit iffy (talk) 07:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved sections around to try to fix technical problem

message: I don't think there should be a redirect from "Bordelaise" to this article.  I was looking for the "Bordelaise Sauce" article, and got dumped here instead.  Perhaps a disambiguation page?  I'm a novice at these things, so I'm not going to attempt any change myself.  But maybe someone could help?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.19.18 (talk) 20:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect from Bordelaise

message: The word "slave" is only mentioned once in this article. Yet slavery played a massive part in the city's history and largely explains why it became so rich in the 18th C. I would argue that this topic deserves a section of its own. --Actarus000 (talk) 13:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavery 

message: It shows wiki code.
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thread_title: Climate section error

message: The piece mentioning Eiffel's bridge surely needs removing from the road sub-section to rail, but it is out of date anyway, the new railway bridge has completely replaced it, perhaps someone who knows more about this bridge than I do could write something.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.222.211 (talk) 17:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport 

message: Unless someone can find a reference that Urban Sprawl has become a problem in Bordeaux then to say that it has become a problem is not a neutral point of view. One could take the opposing view that the Urban Sprawl has enabled economic growth but again not a neutral POV. So I have changed the text to read ... with urban sprawl - but maybe the whole sentence should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.23.139 (talk) 05:20, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: The section on bridges is vague as to dates when they were expected to be opened. I've tagged article as needing updating. Trafford09 (talk) 12:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bridges 

message: Just a comment about the phrase "the Bituriges Vivisci, who named the town Burdigala, probably of Aquitainian origin"
If we write "Burdin Galda" in google translating from Basque to English,the answer is “iron melt in”.
Burdi gala / Burdin galda -> after more than 2000 years the difference are just two consonants. 
In my opinion it is more than probably aquitanian and I think is quite strange thing in celtic people chossing an aquitanian name for their city. Nireizena (talk) 23:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burdigala 

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message: According to WP:TIES, the only time we go exclusively with one country's variety is for strong national ties. France is not an English-speaking country. There is no reason to use Commonwealth English over a different variety that was used first in the article's history. Red Slash 00:21, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: American vs British English. 

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message: Today I added some people, if the list becomes too long, maybe a separate article is necessary. Regards--Buchbibliothek (talk) 16:01, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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message: The article says... "Esplanade des Quinconces, the largest square in Europe."
But the article listing squares by size does not agree.
--23.119.204.117 (talk) 02:00, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. And it's quite far down the list if you include European Russia. Thanks, have updated. --A bit iffy (talk) 05:58, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest Square? 

message: I have clicked on the supposed source but cannot find such a number anywhere..
Even if you consider the whole department of Gironde (most of it is rural), you would only find roughly 1,600,000 inhabitants.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.83.45.94 (talk) 11:13, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metro population of 2,195,335 does not make any sense 

message: At present the 6th-9th century historical material Is confusing and occasionally inaccurate (eg not distinguishing between the two Hunalds). Perhaps more significantly it’s not about Bordeaux, nor are there more than the occasional reference. 
I’m having a think about how best to compress, tidy and get some proper citations. Will post more here before I get to it, in case anyone is particularly keen on elements of the current text (which for reference is copied below). 
Iower (talk)
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An alternative structure (subject to change depending on what source material is available and relevance to the city) could be:
* 6th century (perhaps little changed from existing first paragraph)
* context of cross-Pyrenees struggle for dominance, conflict with the Basques and Umayyads, and growing central royal power of the Carolinginians, plus the holding together of Aquitaine and Gascony for which Bordeaux was a more natural chief city than for either area independently
* implications for the city - 732, fealty to Charles Martel and his descendants, etc.
* existing paragraph (not quoted above) about first Viking raid
Links to include or consult (but not repeat):
* Count of Bordeaux
* Duchy of Aquitaine (noting Bordeaux is in Gascony proper for much of this period)
* Duchy of Gascony
* :fr:Bordeaux good on 6th century and Viking/Norman raids (nil in between) plus a good contextual paragraph 
* :fr:Histoire de Bordeaux very good generally including a lovely tenth century description of the city:
Iower (talk) 12:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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