Talk:Killing of Rigoberto Alpizar

message: There seems to be no real point in having two articles on the same incident. I suggest merging into this article and redirecting American Airlines Flight 924 here. Evil Monkey - Hello 22:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging in [[American Airlines Flight 924]]

message: Try and be on the lookout for an image of Mr. Alphizar to add to this page.  Thanks.  Dustimagic 22:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added an image which appears to have come from the family.  I am not sure exactly how to deal with the licensing on this though. --Benna 23:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks for adding the image.  Dustimagic 00:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of Rigoberto 

message: Not to come across as the crazy man who finds patterns in everything, but it's probably the most similar event to this (at least recently). Perhaps it can wait until, as many have suggested, we have more information on Mr. Alpizar, but, again - they are, admittedly, kinda' similar. --67.165.87.40
in the menezes case there were a lot of initial claims made that were later found to be false (eg he jumped the barrier). by claiming menezes acted suspiceously they defered critisism until the story had faded out of the news. ie you make a mistake, lie, hope everyone is bored by the time the truth comes out. the "he claimed to have a bomb" meme sounds similar, they are very careful not to officially state that he said it, to give themselves slack later.
*Two different governments, under two extremely different situations, make it a very, very weak case to link the two to be related to be similar to each other.  Conflicting reports about exact details from both cases also bring it into view of why there shouldn't be a link, as there is barely any concrete evidence about either incident.  --Mrmiscellanious 06:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. (mostly) WP 10:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jean Charles de Menezes link?

message: AFAIK there is no evidence whatsoever that Rigoberto Alpizar ever claimed to have a bomb. The sky marshals say so, but according to witnesses questioned Alpizar didn't talk at all. Word against word, I suggest we delete the "fact" that he claimed to have a bomb and replace it with "Is said to have" or "sky marshals say Alpizar claimed to have a bomb" until the investigation is finished. By the by - large parts of this article is just 1:1 news feed published by the major news corporations (ap for example). --Madayar 21:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bomb claim

message: Not sure where the errors creeped in, but I crosschecked this article against others on Wikipedia, and enws reports. "DeJames Bauer" is actually "James E. Bauer" (SAIC in Miami), and the quote in the last para was taken somewhat out of context. -- nae'blis (talk) 00:10, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent edits 

message: The merger tags are still hanging around on this page and American Airlines Flight 924.  I think things should now have settled down enough for us to reach a verdict.  I think the pages should be merged into Rigoberto Alpizar and American Airlines Flight 924 redirected here. Kcordina 11:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree. The flight is only notable for the incident, which is centered around the person. Therefore the person should be the article, which cuts down on redundancy/vandalism creep. -- nae'blis (talk) 17:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree. For any significant event, there are also pages related to parties involved in that event, why shouldn't it be the case for this situation?  Smorter 11:40, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger revisited 

message: Uhm, so which language were all the alleged statements made in?  I believe that's definitely notable, even if everything said was in English.  Spanish is pretty much an accepted language in all of Miami, Orlando, and Costa Rica ...
RandomP 21:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: It has been proposed on the Federal Air Marshal Service discussion page that section 6 "Incidents" be merged with this article, Rigoberto Alpizar. The incident involving Mr. Alpizar is covered on the FAMS page extensively, and being off-topic, needs to be eliminated or extensively shortened. So that no information is lost, merging the section with this article may be the best option. Any thoughts? AuburnPilot 01:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have begun editing and shrinking the Federal Air Marshal Service sections concerning Rigoberto Alpizar. With no objections here, or on the FAMS discussion page, I will move the portion of the article concerning the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office report. AuburnPilot 05:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The section from the FAMS has merged with this article. I welcome everyone to edit the new content as they see fit. AuburnPilot 17:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging Sections of [[Federal Air Marshal Service]] 

message: Does this article need a photo of his corpse?  I feel it doesn't serve any purpose.  It doesn't contribute to a better understanding of the events or person. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.132.224.226 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 8 December 2006  (UTC)
:Fortunately, Wikipedia is not censored, and I'd disagree that it doesn't serve a purpose or better the understaning of the article's topic. The image clearly depicts the location and severity of the incident. AuburnPilottalk 23:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fact is Alpizar would not be in wikipedia if he were not shot.  That is the picture of the singular event that caused his unfortunate inclusion in Wikipedia.  Geo8rge 18:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fact is, it's disgusting and may be offensive to some of the public. Image removed. 172.202.155.43 (talk) 22:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You may find it disgusting, but I encourage your to read WP:CENSOR. We do not censor our content or "think of the children". This is an encyclopedic project, and the image depicts the sole reason this subject is notable. - auburnpilot talk 22:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of Corpse 

message: The fact the Alpizar had bipolar disorder is probably one of the single most important facts pertaining to the shooting, if not the most important.  However, for some reason, it isn't mentioned in the article at all.  The closest the article comes to mentioning it is in the links, and that the article is included in the people with bipolar disorder category.  Is this bias, or just a terrible article?122.18.235.121 23:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also found that very odd, considering the various news articles I've read about this incident all clearly identify Alpizar's having bipolar disorder as a relevant fact. The shooting has even been used as a springbord for media discussion of mental illness.  The article needs to include this information. I added an expansion request template to the article, so with any luck I, or someone else, will come back and fix this shortly. - AdelaMae (t - c - wpn) 16:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bipolar Disorder 

message: I suggest to link Suicide by cop here and to list Rigoberto Alpizar there.Randroide (talk) 09:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Aldo L (talk) 08:12, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suicide by cop 

message: I removed this picture  as unnecessary for article. Do we have to put blood and gore in the article.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

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