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Talk:Criticism of Prem Rawat/Archive 3

message: I have created a new section at the top of this article to try and encapsulate the dispute (as rages on these talk pages, for instance) over whether the critical group is large or small and whether the Internet group speaks for a larger constituency. There's a lot more I'd like to do to copyedit this article, but I think it's better to go slow and get everyone's reactions to the main text rearrangements before delving into the details. --Gary D 08:56, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
:God work, Gary D. It reads much better and gives a much needed context.--Senegal 11:30, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: New "sources of criticism" section

message: I see the points made above, and although I would say that what the legal stuff shows about the anti group's activities is far worse than merely "dodgy" (as Gary puts it) I understand moving the Gubler affidavit lower in the text and don't have a problem with it. As for his recant, I went back and looked at the actual court transcript, and indeed, the court found that Gubler's credibility was not sufficient to warrant tossing out the affidavit. 
I have to admit that I find it consistently disappointing that the ex-premie page is highly selective about what documents they do and don't show. I suppose that's their right entirely, but I am beginning to have serious doubts about the reliability of that website as a primary source. It's just too disingenuous in too many places, and is often so inflammatory that it yields much heat but little light.  But that question, and the question of why Gubler would sign an affidavit and whether he meant it then and what he means now, etc etc etc are a sideshow, I agree.
We still haven't seen a coherent answer about the lack of scholarship on the anachronistic stuff, particularly, dates and places for quotes. That's easily fixed, I'm sure, if those relying on it for factual support roll up their sleeves and do the homework. (Ooops, I sound like a teacher again!)
Best, Richard G. 13:01, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are right when you say that ex-premie is opinionated. This is often the case with websites of ex-members of NRMs who feel betrayed and hence have difficulty describing objectively what is wrong with their former groups. I believe that ex-premies have good reason to feel betrayed though. Andries 13:21, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  affidavits/Gary's edits OK with me
Talk:Modlin

message: I guess it can be moved into a separate article (from Modlin), there are few links that would need to be changed. At anytime you feel it should be done, go right ahead. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:42, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fort Modlin 
Talk:Caroline Evers-Swindell

message: Caroline Evers-Swindell and Gergina Evers-Swindell are New Zealands BEST 
Double Scull Women ever born  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.127.136 (talk) 03:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winning The Gold 
Talk:Challenger Deep

message: Is it possible to define (2drms)? thanks 151.29.76.84 (talk) 05:53, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: see Circular error probable
Another question: I feel that
Such a claim will require a survey of all three basins by both echosounders and pressure gauges, such that all depths are measured by one set of equipment and use the same correction calculations. 
is somehow contradictory with the above statement that the DSV Limiting Factor has measured all the three deeps. Probably the DSV LF have not claimed this even if they could, but a less doubt-evoking text is welcomed (I know: I see trouble were no other finds them). thanks again 151.29.76.84 (talk) 09:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

text: The measurements were not made during one dive. Even the best CTD's measurements have to deal with (minor) instrument drift.--Francis Flinch (talk) 14:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  thanks 151.29.76.84 (talk) 21:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2drms 

message: No link to what they are or how they’re made. 2600:1700:6756:4830:9DFB:D817:1B88:C1CD (talk) 23:39, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The samples taken were depth soundings. All the information was there in the paragraph about the 1875 Challenger expedition, but it was presented in a slightly confusing order. I have tweaked this to make things a bit more clear. Does that help? Pyrope 02:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a sample? 

message: There are a lot of mentions here of bomb soundings or explosive soundings, which are not explained in the article. I would like to link these to another appropriate article, but I don't know what the right target would be. The articles on echo sounding, depth sounding, and multibeam echosounder don't seem to cover this. One thing I found was Sofar bomb but it doesn't seem like the right topic. Can anyone help to find the right article, or do we have a gap here? Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explaining bomb/explosive soundings 

message: I've started a discussion at Talk:Mariana Trench about the inconsistency between the values used in the two articles. Mikenorton (talk) 12:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  How deep? 

message: The article needs a section at the start saying what it is and how it formed. I find it most odd that there isn't a section about the geological processes that formed it. Just endless willy-waggling accounts of the various expeditions. 86.189.141.23 (talk) 19:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is it?
Talk:Townhall.com

message: This page appears to be an advertisement for a political website. In my opinion it should be deleted. -- Derek Ross |  Talk
:Please review Wikipedia:Candidates for speedy deletion before blanking pages in the future. Spam is not one of the categories. Incidentally, I say keep; the Alexa rating is ~2600. Meelar (talk) 01:16, 2004 Sep 8 (UTC)
:The Heritage Foundation is a big deal in the world of conservative think tanks, so I guess their website is of note, if it is popular. I tried to make it a bit more NPOV. --Fastfission 02:14, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

message: Wouldn't it be fair at least to mention that the only reason why this portal is known in the rest of the world is their extreme obstinacy in sending unsolicited e-mails to people and their refusal to remove people from their spam list in spite of repeated requests.
--Lebatsnok (talk) 22:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam (unsolicited e-mails) 

message: While the conservative website Townhall.com might be anathema to some, it has been in existence since 1995 and is a professional organization owned by Salem Communications. While the article unquestionably needs a lot of work, the subject does appear to meet notability guidelines. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:31, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion discussion

message: Townhall is also a print magazine in addition to the .com website. Also, the "Townhall" page directs here already. Moving to "Townhall".
Marquis de Faux (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving page
Talk:Figure-eight knot (mathematics)

message: Regarding the statement:
:The figure eight is also the hyperbolic knot whose complement has the smallest possible volume, 2.02988... by work of Colin Adams.
Colin Adams was not the one who showed it has the smallest volume.  I can't remember who it was.  I think maybe a pair of Japanese mathematicians.--C S 01:59, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)
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You are correct - Cao and Meyerhoff proved the stated theorem - Adams actually showed that the Gieseking manifold is the minimal volume non-compact hyperbolic manifold.  The Gieseking manifold is double covered by the figure eight knot complement.  I will fix the page. --sam Wed Sep  8 10:23:23 EDT 2004
Of course, Meyerhoff is not Japanese.  Best,  Sam nead 15:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

message: I guess the figure-eight knot is not prime... If so, of what knots is it the sum? Vectro (talk) 17:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is prime.--agr (talk) 21:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primality 

message: The plotting equations x=(2+cos(2t))*cos(3t) and y=(2+cos(2t))*sin(3t) actually produce the same curve as the simple polar coordinates equation r=2+sin(2θ/3), only rotated by 45° degrees.  This curve is shown in the graphic :File:Figure8knot-rose-limacon-curve.svg... AnonMoos (talk) 12:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Substituted it in in place of squared version :File:Figure8knot-math-square-alternate.svg ... AnonMoos (talk) 10:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Simpler form of equations
Talk:Mangkra Souvanna Phouma

message: I am presently updating this page right now, H.R.H. Prince Mangkra Souvannaphouma of Laos is promoting Human Rights for his people in Laos. He has been involved for over 30 years of politics with his country and presently lives in Exile. You can do a google or Yahoo seach on his name to see the references.
He is presently living in Exile in France and most of the documents are in french I am trying to translate myself. If someone can help this will broaden the scope of his biography would be appreciated.
* http://www.laosnet.org/senat/intervention.htm
* http://www.laosnet.org/senat/default.htm
* http://touxoua.lyfoung.free.fr/InterwHVM_Fr.htm
The words human rights, freedom of speech were taken and only show the neutral points of the biography of the organization, improving relations with the governments such as social and charitable programs and improving relations with the government, so that it will be neutral and acceptable to Wikipedia guidlinesTran Van Ba 22:37, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Talk:Barbarians at the Gate

message: The subject line pretty much sums it up.
The article describes points of view only in the movie.
It makes much of events that were tertiary in the book. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.111.110.192 (talk) 04:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've read the book and seen the movie and this article is straight from the movie.
Talk:Trial of the Sixteen

message: I note that a Google search for Trial of the Sixteen yields a whole lot of information about a totally different Trial of the Sixteen: the first of the four great show trials in the Great Purge of 1936-1938. Jpgordon 21:07, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Ambiguity

message: There is a comment here that the trial contravened international law. I am dubious as to which law this is supposed to have been. XmarkX 08:28, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  International law 

message: Dear Editors: I started this evening adding references which I saw as a key failing of this article.  I plan on Saturday (UK time) to have another go at references up this article.  My last reference has been removed.  I would appreciate knowing issues with my recent changes especially from Loosmark about the last references I added.  Thanks.  Jniech (talk) 20:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Loosmark: This article is currently tagged due to lack of inline citation.  Without it done correctly you can not tell what is and is not supported by the references.  It would be great if the reader could see the article without the references but editors could see them to ensure the information is accurate.  Can I suggest I reference it up today/tomorrow?  Then I will try to rework the article so as to allow less referencing or a more experienced editor can change the article knowing what is supported?  Jniech (talk) 17:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its a good idea. Loosmark (talk) 17:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: The original references used "Jan Karski, Story of a Secret State. Simon Publications, 2001. . Paperback, 391 pages."
I have the 1944 edition which clearly pre-dates these events.  Does anyone have a later edition as my copy has nothing on page 391 about these events? Jniech (talk) 18:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story of a Secret State 

message: I can not find when Józef Stemler was arrested.  My guess is as the books are listing those the Soviets were after and as interpreter for the group he is not seen as a target.  I have therefore included him as one of those arrested on the next day.  Anyone disagree with me doing this? Jniech (talk) 17:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Józef Stemler 

message: Pretext is a false reason so "false pretext" is like "false falsification", and has no sense unless someone only pretends that he or she is acting on the pretext. But this is not the case in the context of the article. It was a very real pretext.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikom (talk • contribs) 01:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  False pretext?
Talk:Dioecious species

message: As dioecious is a term that can be applied to any organism, and not just plants, I didn't think it was appropriate to include an automatic redirect to plant sexuality. Anilocra 12:41, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, but how did you move it back -- I cannot find the history?. Isn't "dioeciousness" a made up word?  What I really liked about Sally was her dioeciousness. Also, should not pages like this (a definition) simply be ported over to the Wikitionary? - Marshman 19:15, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: I have no problem with Dioecious moving to Wiktionary  together, presumably with Monoecious , Gynodioecious etc. etc. but I suspect that each of these need a re-direct page to Plant sexuality to avoid such pages being re-invented every few weeks. It might also be useful to have links to the Wiktionary definitions at the top of the Plant sexuality page. Velela 13:06, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If not at the top, then certainly as links within the text to the definitions at Wiktionary - Marshman 18:38, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Moving these articles to wiktionary is fine, however redirecting this article to plant sexuality is inappropriate - my worms are dioecious, but are not plants. Would a redirect to hermaphroditism be ok? Anilocra 15:15, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, you are right. We keep missing that! ;^) - Marshman 17:05, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dictionary Definition
Talk:List of presidents of departmental councils (France)

message: Current Presidents is perhaps in most need of attention.  All I could find was CIA Factbook info on the regions and former colonies.  Removed Stub and Expansion tags, as it's no longer a stub.
lunaverse 03:09, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: The main table is in the Alternating rows table template, which makes it a bit difficult to edit for regular users. Like I wanted to add numbers 67 and 68 (not in the list), merge them, and add European Collectivity of Alsace instead. But I don't know how to merge in source editing. Any solutions?
One solution can be temporarily replacing the "|-" at the start of the template with "{| class="wikitable"|-" for the duration of editing, then after editing replacing it back with the original thing. But that might be a little inconvenient and this solution can't be suggested everytime.
(Sorry I don't know how to type wikicode in that white highlight, I think ) Excellenc1 (talk) 06:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The list section 

message: Map needs to be dated. Is this really the current position, it looks unlikely given upheavals in French politics and the collapse in support for the PS and LR 2A02:C7C:362A:E200:F466:8A81:CC8:C196 (talk) 14:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undated map
Talk:Busted Stuff

message: The article claims that "Busted Stuff" was originally titled "She My Bitch".
This seems like vandalism.Final Philosopher (talk) 02:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Busted Stuff" original title

message: Under the track listing, the song "You Never Know" is linked...to this article. If it's not worthy of having its own article, it shouldn't be linked. I'm sick of this crap  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.56.249.112 (talk) 19:36, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links
Talk:Ted Wong

message: Reply to commentary:
With all the respect: Yes, Ted Wong was certified in Jeet Kune Do under Bruce Lee. He was rank #2. Please look for reference on oharas book under Wing Chun & Jeet Kune Do a comparison by William Chun and Ted Wong. For more information please contact: www.bruceleefoundation.com.
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Ted wong was never certified in JKD. Only Taky Kimura, James Lee, and Dan Inosanto were. Ted received his certification in Jun Fan, Bruce's original interpretation and evolution of Wing Tsun. His certificate even says "Jun Fan Gung Fu". The worst part of this entry is that it does not even mention Taky or James whom were both ranked ahead of Ted. Here is a link to what a JKD certificate looks like:
http://www.brucelee.com/jamescertificate.html
This is James Lee's certificate from Bruce for the art of JKD, yet this entry states that only Ted Wong and Dan Inosanto received this honr. Taky Kimura is still alive and has one of these as well, so does Dan Inosanto. Ted Wong has a certificate in Jun Fan Gung Fu, which is only a piece of the JKD puzzle. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_lee         <----------------hello?
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/B/Br/Bruce_Lee.htm
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It's extremely difficult to make out what's going on above, without going through the edits in the History, one by one.  Could people please sign their comments, so that it's clear who's saying what, and when? Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 12:13, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: According to many forum posts on different martial arts boards, he died on Thursday, December 2.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.88.131.226 (talk) 07:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  He is death 
Talk:Prem Rawat/Archive 7

message: After reading Andries' opinion that there never will be any peer review because people are just too busy to bother, I'm not going to bother trying to contribute to or work up a big article in hopes that it'll someone supercede the premie one.  No way, Jose.
I will say this, though -- any article about Rawat that does not mention his claims of divinity -- including the fact that as recently as 1990, when he was in his mid-30's, he was scolding people for forgetting that he was divine -- is a crock.  Likewise, any article that does not mention that he only became guru when his mother and three older brothers signed on to his claim but that mom and two of his borthers later changed their mind and installed Satpal on the throne where he continues to this day -- is a crock too.  Any article that does not mention the lies that EV tells in its FAQs, such as that Arti (not 'Arathi' etc.) was anything but a devotional sogn to th Rawat AS Lord, or that we exes are so bad we do stuff like embezzle money from them, is also a crock.  
No, I'm not going to write your article for you.  I think the whole thing's flawed.  But YOU'Re the guys who want to have this Wiki thing.  It's YOUR responsibility to get it right.  I reserve the right to comment all I want and Zappaz, take that word 'polemic' and retire it already.  It just makes you sound like a Wiki parrot.
:Okay. Andries or anyone else, care to take a whack at the /temp2 article? It's fine by me if not; that page was merely a suggestion if you wanted some quiet editing space to do an integrated version. I figure a zealous effort in the criticism and ex-premie articles will be just as good, though you may have less editing peace in the creation phase. --Gary D 19:36, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)
:I will continue developing /temp1 and ancillary articles regardless of the backpedaling.--Zappaz 19:52, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  I\ve changed my mind
Talk:Deodorant

message: This article does not address people who do not use deodorant or the pressure put on them to use it.
In many part of the world, people do not have it and yet they survive.
It is sometimes said that Listerine's main product was halitosis, that is they created the need for their product by making halitosis socially unacceptable. 
I believe that making non-use of deodorant socially unacceptable (despite otherwise good hygiene) has been the product of some deodorant manufacturer.
Smelliness is now a sign of disease to most people even though this is inaccurate. 
207.253.111.30 (talk) 20:29, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-use of deodorant 

message: A subgroup of deodorants, antiperspirants, affect odor as well as prevent sweating by affecting sweat glands.
Many people mainly use antiperspirants to prevent visible shirt stains. For these users, antiperspirants function as their own primary group. 
Addendum: Just for the record, B.O. is not such a big deal in rural, livestock environments. — MaxEnt 14:34, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venn diagram abuse 

message: From the introduction: The product was briefly withdrawn from the market in the US
This is pretty mysterious. When and why? If it was only brief, why mention it at all? 
Same issue in the History section, which contains a similar statement.
Omc (talk) 15:58, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mum withdrawn – when and why?
Category talk:Economy of Germany

message: This category was previously nominated for deletion, but no clear consensus to delete was reached.  The discussion is recorded below for future reference.
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*Additionally Category:German economy is now empty and not consistent with the other countries of Europe's categorizations.
* Keep.  This appears to be consistent with :Category:United States economy and :Category:French economy.  I'm assuming there's no written policy, since I couldn't find one.  If one does exist, please mention it...I would also recommend linking to it from Wikipedia:Categorization projects (current) and maybe Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries. -- Beland 00:40, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive: Deletion proposed and rejected