Talk:Plato's Stepchildren

message: After a little google research, every use I can find of "Plato's Stepchildren" as a title for a highlight reel
is authored by someone with the same name as the user who wrote that part of the article.  Someone who thinks
he's clever is trying to get his oh-so-clever wit into the lexicon.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.180.46.178 (talk) 13:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highlight Reel 

message: I #think# when the BBC showed the original series a while ago this was one of the three episodes they decided not to broadcast.
:It wasn't shown in the original screenings back in the late 1960s/early 1970s or in the repeat runs. The 1992-1994 repeats of the entire TOS included all three previously unshown episodes. Timrollpickering 11:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC

message: So did Shatner and Nichols actually kiss, even though it was not seen on screen? NorthernThunder 09:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, in all that talk about inter-racial - is hispanic a race ? And does half-French count as non-white ? -- Beardo 08:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose the point is that it wasn't as groundbreaking as people think, given the multiple other instances of interracial kisses that have been uncovered.Newzild (talk) 20:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Kiss 

message: Does Spok's Maiden Wine song come from some Star Trek writer's head, or is it cribbed from some old book? Google only seems to turn up this episode, but I wouldn't necessarily expect it to turn up a line from an old medieval ballad or whatnot. -- Epastore 15:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I read somewhere that Leonard Nimoy wrote the poem himself, and that it appears in one of his books of poetry. Can't find the details on it, though. — Loadmaster (talk) 22:45, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Nimoy sings it on his 1969 studio album The Touch of Leonard Nimoy (to a slightly different tune), which implies that he did indeed pen the words. — Loadmaster (talk) 00:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who wrote ''Maiden Wine''? 

message: I made a slight correction to the blurb about Spock being scripted to kiss Uhura. Shatner discussed that in "Star Trek Memories," and I'm 99% certain that he and/or Nichelle said it was supposed to be Kirk/Uhura in the original script, that the Spock/Uhura change was suggested (or may have even been temporarily implemented) during all the fights over that scene, and that Shatner finally put his foot down and said, "No, I'm doing it." Unfortunately I don't have a copy of "Star Trek Memories" handy any more - I loaned it to someone I haven't seen in about five years - but if anyone else still has a copy I know it's all in there somewhere, so that we can get that point properly cited (and be 100% certain it's correct). --Zequist 15:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The problem was Spock's popularity. You can find a cross reference in Nimoy's I am Spock. These days they're all friends, but back then they were working for a living and competing for airtime and money. Shatner was hired to play the lead and he served his ego (and pocketbook) at the expense of the others. It was dog-eat-dog. Initially, Spock kissing Uhura was considered "Safer" than Kirk kissing her. Spock was not only green-ish, but alien, and impotent.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.49.126 (talk) 17:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spock/Uhura Trivia Point 

message: I placed a "dubious" tag on the claim in the article that the episode is loosely based on the story Telek because the reference given is the The Encyclopedia of Speculative Fiction article on the episode, which, like Wikipedia, is an online publication that anyone can edit. I cannot find any reliable source in a Google search. It all appears to be opinion. If it is true, great, but let's see a reliable source. The writer of the episode deserves that. Thanks. 5Q5 (talk) 18:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The link given was to a fan site/wiki, which just doesn't cut it as a proper cite. I scrubbed it and a agree with the above. Alastairward (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: The spoken-word bit that Alexander speaks ("brekekekex, ko-ax, ko-ax") is a direct reference to "The Frogs," a play by Aristophanes.  In the play, those syllables are repeated from time to time by The Frog Chorus.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.86.34.1 (talk) 16:35, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aristophanes 

message: A file that this article uses, :File:Plato's Stepchildren kiss.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. postdlf (talk) 13:43, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  File:Plato's Stepchildren kiss.jpg listed for deletion 

message: The following, although sourced, is blatantly wrong.  Kirk is forced by the telekinesis to kiss Uhura, it is not a decision of his to save the ship.
::As one TV critic put it, "The underlying message was, 'If I have to kiss you to save my ship and crew, by God, I'll do it.'"[3
I'll remove it.--345Kai (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  misleading quote from a critic  

message: No one has mentioned that "Plato's Stepchildren" is a poor episode. It's contrived to Make Several Important Points, and is so heavy-handed that it's embarrassing. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 18:14, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the Shatner quote. Richard75 (talk) 18:48, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: poor episode

message: I cut the following sentence that seems to me like unimportant trivia. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:53, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia