Talk:HESA Shafaq

message: Shafaq is an Arabic word not Persian  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeCaire (talk • contribs) 13:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Shafaq

message: This article sites no sources... Technajunky 23:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FACTS 

message: The "Unit Cost" is listed as "112.000,000US$".  This is a strange formatting; in the US the $ sign is put before the numerical amount.  It should be formatted as either "$112.000,000 US" or "112.000,000 USD".  The other strangeness is the mix of "." and "," in the number.  American English and other English dialects have different conventions on this.  If we are using US dollars, then the American English conventions would make more sense.  In either case, it is not clear what the value is supposed to be.  If it should be "112000 + 000/1000" (fractions to avoid ambiguity) then it should be written with only two zeros after the decimal point.  However, 112 thousand sounds pretty cheap for a fighter plane, I would guess that the mix of "," and "." is simply carelessness, and the thing really costs 112 million.  In this case the number should be written "$112,000,000.00 US" or "112,000,000.00 USD". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.119.245.55 (talk) 23:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unit Cost 

message: I have noticed that in July 2006, somone moved the article from IAMI Shafaq to just plain Shafaq, with the comment "No reason to mention company name infront of every aircraft". Well, actually, there is a reason: WP:AIR naming conventions require either a manufacturer and name, or designation and name for every aircraft article. 
I have moved the page back to the original name. If the company name or initials used for the company are wrong, then feel free to move it to the correct company name. - BillCJ 20:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

message: I renamed the Introduction section, Development.  I tried to clean up some wording in there too.  It seems like info is repeated in there.  If you can help with this article, please do.  -Fnlayson 03:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements 

message: Not to discredit Iranian engineering, but based on it's apparent size, wouldn't this aircraft be more comparable to recent trainer designs such as the Yak-130 and Mikoyan MiG-AT rather than the likes of Eurofighter or F-22? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gooberliberation (talk • contribs) 
* The Shafaq is described as being sub-sonic.  Given that, I don't see how it can be comparable to fighters like the F-22. -Fnlayson 14:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably more comparable to the AMX, A-4, and Harrier, or even the Hawk 200 single-seat "fighter" variant. The A-4 and Harrier were both designed as attack craft, but have fulfilled fighter roles. These are all in the high-subsonic range , rather than the mid-subsonic range of the Su-25. In addition, the F-117 is stealthy, but firmly sub-sonic. 
Anyway, as of right now, the Shafaq certainly isn't supersonic, and it's a big stretch to call it a 5th-generation anything, especially a fighter. - BillCJ 19:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparable Aircraft?

message: First, there is no such a thing today : "an aircrafe that was developed by a women" not because she is "she" and not "he" , but because of the fact that a development of any jet plane is so complicated and need experties from countless knowledge areas that this is just not possible that one person would be able to do such a thing on its own.
*Changed to The development team was headed by a female Iranian engineer. Does that suffice? I placed a  tag on that statement in Feb, and there is still not a souce. There is the screen cap pic of a woman in front of the plane that is supposed to be the engineer in question, so I haven't removed it. If you don't feel this is a sufficient reason to leave the statement, or if you sincerely doubt the statemnet is true at all, feel free to remove the statement. THe burden of proof in such cases in on the one adding the text to verify the claim. - BillCJ 17:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  question 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 10:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: The article says 'The images of the Qaher-313 suggest that the fighter jet is the off-spring and or further development of the Shafaq project.[3]'.
First of all, the linked article does not say anything about the F-313. Secondly, there is no basis for saying that the F-313 is a 'derivative' of the Shafaq. The general configurations of the two aircraft are completely different so one cannot be a derivative of the other. Finally, the statement is clearly original research.
Since the two aircraft have different configurations, the linked article doesn't actually say what is claimed, and the statement is original research, I would like to remove the entire F-313 reference.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.191.206.174 (talk) 05:38, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The F-313 reference at the bottom 

message: It would appear that the original designer, design bureau, Mukhamedov, is still involved in this project, at least as far as to the full size mock-up(the one that was attributed to a female head designer and all iranian design-team, as the Mock-up carries the mukhamedov bureau's Logo). Perhaps this should be in the article, perhaps with a link to http://www.mukhamedov-aircraft.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.191.206.174 (talk) 05:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual designer 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is no way the Shafaq is only subsonic when it has RD-33's  — Preceding unsigned comment added by IdkIdc12345 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Speed is more a factor of aerodynamics than power, although it is actually under-powered for the weight. The refs say it is subsonic - to change this you will need to cite a new ref and preferably not a misinformation source. - Ahunt (talk) 15:11, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed speed