Talk:1795–1820 in Western fashion

message: This is great!
Not sure what do do about that huge white space - I tried moving the image link but that didn't help.  I guess as we add more text the problem will resolve itself.
I need to get my act together and do meanswear for this period... - PKM 18:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Great stuff

message: I put in a general intro and a placeholder for men's fashion, but I won't get it added tonight.  Have some great images and there's good text at dandy which I will borrow, tweak, and link.
I played around with trying to kill the white space above Directoire, but it means moving the stays image to the Gallery, or left-aligning it, or writing a lot more text above Directoire. - PKM 02:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uploaded different scan of the Schimmelpenninck, see what you think... Churchh 03:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better, thank you!  Will check out the Commons images as well, and want to use this for riding dress - great detail on the leather fall-front riding breeches. :Image:Seriziat.jpg - PKM 03:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding men's fashion

message: Thanks for adding the portrait of the Beau; I was having trouble finding a good source.  It's perfect (and essential). - PKM 17:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Beau

message: I think we should pick one gallery style and stick to it, at least within each article.  There are two styles here (and a third one in 1890s in fashion if I recall).
Do we want to continue with the captions under each picture, or numbering the pictures and all the captions below?
I will pose this same question in the History of Western fashion so we can get more opinions. - PKM 17:34, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was cobbling together the Empire/Regency section when fatigued, and didn't really have the patience to do the work to put it in the format you prefer (just getting everything together was tedious enough, without having to worry about all that niggly little technical stuff).  Re-format them as you wish... Churchh 07:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gallery styles

message: Here's another picture kind of like the Schimmelpenninck; not sure if one would be considered better than the other.  Churchh 03:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great picture, thinking about a swap.  Also like your comments on Cultural memory - good stuff.  Regency styles again looked ugly in the 1930s-40s - the version of Pride and Prejudice with Greer Garson was reset to the 1830s when the wide shoulders and defined waists more nearly reflected contemporary ideas of fashion.  - PKM 20:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Already have something on that at Pride and Prejudice (1940 film) . Churchh 10:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another overview pic

message: Most women didn't wear drawers, but a few did, as you can see in "Passer Payez".  Also, it seems relatively clear that most women in England wore at least one petticoat and some form of stays (no matter how relatively minimal) most of the time -- it's important not to take a few bold ca. 1799 upper-class Parisiennes as the norm for all non-lower-class women of the time. Churchh 15:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The newest subsections

message: I want to discuss how, though it was attempted to make the dress look narrow in front, the skirts were generally gathered together in back to allow ease of stride (i.e. completely avoiding "hobbling").  But I need a picture to illustrate this; I already have two -- http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/1810drss.jpg and http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/pattern.gif -- but neither would be considered "free use" for the purposes of Wikipedia... Churchh 15:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You could always discuss and footnote a reference to your site.  :-)  But let me see if I can find an image. - PKM 02:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No luck so far, but I found two great men's images while on the hunt.  Will keep looking. - PKM 03:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: How about some of the pics here?  http://hal.ucr.edu/~cathy/heid/ND3-1795.html, or the walking dresses here? http://hal.ucr.edu/~cathy/heid/ND9-1797.html - PKM 22:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I would recommend: write the piece and footnote a link to the originals at the Kyoto Costume Institute.  Nothing like pictures of actual surviving clothing.  (Speaking of which I have found a quicktime 360 degree revolving view of a 1720s mantua which I am certainly going to link to!) - PKM 16:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually scanned it in from a book (the page number is visible at lower left!), and have no idea if the Kyoto Costume Institute has anything online (I'll look into that). Churchh 20:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

text: They apparently have a different photo of the same garment (how helpful, I'm not really sure) at http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/collection.cgi?lang=e&path=1800/01-005899aa , but you can't view it without downloading the "Viewpoint player", and I don't feel like downloading the "Viewpoint player" (whatever that may be), and I'm not sure how appropriate it would be to put in a link in a Wikipedia article whose functionality depends on users downloading the "Viewpoint player". Churchh 20:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Feh.  No, you're right; I don't thing we should link to anything that requires users to download an executable. - PKM 02:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Illustration needed

message: Ha, stumbled across one while looking for something else entirely: :Image:1815 English and French.jpg. Adding. - PKM 17:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Found at last

message: Stumbled across :Image:1817-walking-dress-La-Belle-Assemblee.jpg in the commons - User:Churchh, you uploaded this!  I like it a lot, so I added it. (Any reason why not?) - PKM 03:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I uploaded a lot of things back in Feb. and didn't get around to establishing the 1800-1820 galleries until April (partly because of the PNG thumbnail crisis), so the final selection may have been a little erratic -- that's partly why I linked to the Commons 1810 fashion category. Churchh 04:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, I could never exactly figure out whether the green thing she's wearing is a pelisse. Churchh 05:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is, possibly even a "pelisse al la hussar".  Maye we should say "walking costume"? -PKM 03:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Walking Dress

message: A few of the caricatures now in the article satirize male and female styles equally; not sure what to do about that. Churchh 19:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Break them out into a level-2 head "Caricaturing fashion" after "Men's fashion" (or after "Children's" when we have it) with a bit of introductory text on the social context? - PKM 17:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would probably be the thing to do, but I guess we haven't reached that point yet so far. Churchh 05:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Caricatures

message: I miss the following in this excellent article in an excellent series: "merveilleuses" and "incroyables", the arrival of the "fashion plate";  decolleté; mobcaps, turbans and headdresses;. --Wetman 02:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good calls, all; will put those on the mental to-do list.  There's an undercurrent of Orientalism in fashion that needs to be fleshed out in several periods around this one.  - PKM 21:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Back when I was scanning a lot of stuff from library books, I saw a fair amount of caricatures of "merveilleuses" and "incroyables", but I had a great deal of difficulty (more than for most other caricatures) in trying to determine the degree of relationship between these caricatures and the actual realities of the time.  Because of this, and because what is depicted in those caricatures was not typical of what was worn by most people of the time, and did not present a distillation of the main stylistic features of the time (as some quite exaggerated caricatures still sometimes do), I left most of the depictions of "merveilleuses" and "incroyables" unscanned. Churchh 12:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: P.S.  The main "orientalist" fashion feature that was worn by a significant number of ordinary people was the turban (worn by women only). Churchh 12:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing 

message: Also have this image to illustrate the style of 1795, but I'm not sure I want to bump anything out of the existing Directoire gallery to make room for it... Churchh 02:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh that's lovely.  Could we make it a second image under Hairstyles and headgear and comment on her bonnet in the caption? - PKM 07:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am making that edit. - PKM 19:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1795

message: Many women of this remarded upon how being fully dressed meant the bosom and shoulders were bare and yet being under-dressed might your neckline went right up to your chin almost.
This sentence makes no sense. I would fix it, except I have no idea what the author is trying to say. I am reluctant to delete it as I don't quite know the rules in this situation.
Vsanborn 21:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know hat they are trying to say, will fix. - PKM 03:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help with this sentence I found  

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message: I've begun methodically adding inline citations for this article.  Any help is greatly appreciated. - PKM (talk) 17:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding citations

message: Hi, folks!  A while back, I copied some text from this article over to 1800-1809.  This isn't a field that I have expertise in, so further editing of the work in context from other editors here would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks! -- RobLa (talk) 01:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text copied to [[1800–1809]] 

message: Seems to me that it should be "1795-1820 in European fashion," since that's what it's about.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueCuzco (talk • contribs) 03:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
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message: As it is now the discussion of Marie Antoinette and her contributions to fashion are discussed on this page, wouldn't it be more appropriate to place this section in the pre-revolution page fashion 1775-1795? Margotconte (talk) 17:52, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: absolutely. -PKM (talk) 20:57, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: seconded. Katewren (talk) 01:35, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I plan on editing the discussion (or current lack there of) of Marie Antoinette and her contributions to the evolution of fashion to the 1775-1795 page shortly!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrpasquino (talk • contribs) 22:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Marie Antoinette section? 

message: I have added some information about Emma Hamilton's attitudes and her influence on neoclassical style and would like to insert a picture. I am a new Wikipedia editor and I don't really know how to go about doing that. Any advice? Or would anyone be willing to insert the picture? Here is the link to the page: http://www.zimbio.com/member/msplace/articles/GqYx4brrg8r/Emma+Home+Lady+Hamilton+Attitudes it is the second to last picture. Thanks!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrpasquino (talk • contribs) 03:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emma Hamilton picture 

message: I have edited the Directoire section to add some citations about the evolution of Neoclassical style and to include Lady Emma Hamilton's influence on this evolution as well as a little bit of information about her attitudes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrpasquino (talk • contribs) 22:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Directoire (1795–1799) 

message: "Starting from 1780s and early 1790s, women’s silhouette became slimmer and the (??) crept up. After 1795, waistlines rose dramatically and the skirt circumference was further reduced. Few years later, England and France started to show the focus of high waist style and this led to the creation of Empire style." The passage seems to been added about a year ago, on a quick look. Johnbod (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit needed 

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