Talk:List of battles by casualties

message: Sorting makes the lists more useful, but more marginally more difficult to add new data.  It's not difficult once you understand that sorting numerically isn't possible because of BC in some of the years and commas in the casualty figures.  All we are doing here is converting those numbers into an alphabetic format that the table can sort.
*Sorting for casualties, zero padding is necessary if we are going to use comma separators because the sorting code doesn't recognize numbers with commas.
**CCCC represents the casualty number
**Use: CCCC 
**Example:  300,000 produces an invisible 0,300,000 (for sorting) and displays 300,000
**In case of a range, like 5,000-10,000, only first number goes inside the span tag.
**
**If you are going to use a tilde '~', put it after the close of the span tag.  Like this: </span>~100,000
*To make years sortable we have to insert invisible characters before the actual values.
**To do this, we use  anything here is invisible
** YYYY represents the year
**For years BC:
***Use: ! YYYY BC
***Example: 846 BC becomes ! 846 BC
***Note the space just before the </span>. It is necessary!
**For years AD:
***We pad left N number of zeros to make the year 4 digits
***Use: #NYYYY
***Example: 3 becomes #0003
***Example: 34 becomes #0034
***Example: 345 becomes #0345
***Example: 1456 becomes #1456
***Note there is no space before and after the </span>. Also necessary!
It looks more complex than it really is, trust me ;)Prometheusg 12:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we please get rid of this number formatting whereby 70,000 is represented as 0,070,000? It is annoying. Thatstheway 17:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay I changed it, but the syntax for adding new data is a little more complex. I've added a  tag around the formatnum to make it invisible but still sortable. See the above rules for more info.  That's the only problem with making this list sortable.  It's more complex and has a learning curve. Prometheusg 22:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.  I do like this, but I'm afraid it will dissuade new editors from adding info to the tables.  I wonder if this is the sort of thing best done when the article is complete and stable.  CaliforniaKid 22:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I did it only to the Sieges list.  It seemed to be the most stable.  I refrained from converting the classic formations list for exactly this reason.  It's getting edited daily and I didn't want to cause a lot of confusion. Prometheusg 15:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to insert new data into a sortable table 

message: The article is now semi-protected in order to stop the back and forth of reverting material.
The problem is that the material in the article was not verifiable. For months there has been a template calling for sources without much effect. I decided to delete all material that can't be verified in order to rebuilt the article on a solid basis. In doing so, I also reworded parts that weren't encyclopedic language. The material about battles, that was formerly in the article, can be reinserted if you provide a source. Big problem is that many sources provide different numbers. For this reason I also suggest to split the casualty numbers between primary sources and scientific secondary sources, because their estimates can greatly vary, especially so for classical battles. 
I won't edit this article under the current semi-protection until a consensus is achieved.Wandalstouring (talk) 08:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a book that covers the history of war for the last 150 years or so and has the casualties for many battles from the American Civil War and WWI.  I hadn't used it before, since it lists casualties, not deaths, but since this list is now about casualties it has data for about 30 major operations and sieges.  If noone minds, I'm going to add these battles, with a citation, over the next few weeks or so. Borg Sphere (talk) 17:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, thanks a lot. It wasn't about casualties before because the editors did confuse sourced casualties with death toll. Wandalstouring (talk) 18:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I started adding these in, but somehow moved the major operations table down to the bottom of the article, even though in the edit screen it's in the right place...I'm going to continue adding them, but if you or anyone else who knows more about code than I do and could fix it that'd be great...Sorry for putting the table in the wrong place, I have no idea why it's down there.  Borg Sphere (talk) 20:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've added all the battles I have accurate statistics for. Someone else will have to do sieges, and the WWII battles, as I only have figures for Operation Bagration and Operation Epsom, and Epsom had less than 10,000 casualties, so I'm not including it. Borg Sphere (talk) 15:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

text: If you'd like to take care of it, and copy over the source as well as the figure, please do. If you don't, I've put this article on the back burner so I can get some work done on other projects I'm doing, but I was planning to do just that as soon as I finish those. Joe (Talk) 00:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, my question is: can a Wikipedia article that cites reliable sources be considered a reliable source by itself? If yes, we don't have to provide sources explicitly in this concrete table. If no, the whole activity of Wikipedian community is senseless.--Paul Siebert (talk) 01:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read wikipedia guidelines on reliable Sources. Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources. You have to use a reference to the material you are using in every article where you implement it and for this reason you have to check the source yourself. Wandalstouring (talk) 09:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: If this criticism goes on, I suggest a straw poll. whether more editors are of this opinion or support my changes. Wandalstouring (talk) 16:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it to be necessary. Actually, the previous version contained really unsources items along with those that referred to the reliable articles containing valid sources. For instance Battle of Berlin was one of them. I think it is quite easy to check each of old items and to include only the items of the second type. --Paul Siebert (talk) 17:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, you can include any of the old material here if you provide a source. Wikipedia articles are not sources you can use. You have to use the sources the article uses or others. Wandalstouring (talk) 18:26, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion about the recent edits 

message: This article seems very similar to the list of battles and other violent events by death toll, although this includes all casualties, not just deaths. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 00:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very similar article 

message: Battle of Stalingrad links to this page but theres no mention of it in the article at all.
208.114.169.126 (talk) 01:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also perplexed by this. Why is there nothing in the "Sieges and urban combat" section? - Mtmelendez (Talk) 19:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you see Talk:List_of_battles_by_casualties#Discussion_about_the_recent_edits, you'll see that all unreferenced information was removed. I then added what information I had a source for, but since my source covered only one Second World War battle, most of those are not in the table. Please, feel free to add Stalingrad and any other sieges or other types of engagement that you have a source for. Borg Sphere (talk) 20:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stalingrad 

message: Almost all the battles listed pre 1800 have casualties that a little more than wild guesses.  Listing them here gives a spurious  impression of accuracy.  That two of the battles are sourced to Herodotus tells us more about him than the battles he describes.Dejvid (talk) 19:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Many of these battles are ancient, and in many cases, the few historical records differ, sometimes wildly, on casualties." Joe (Talk) 00:51, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it is no good idea to use primary sources. We could use guesses by modern scientific secondary sources to provide the reader with estimates. Wandalstouring (talk) 09:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The ancients had absolutely no means of securing numbers like 30,350 or 150,000 (the latter is a greatly overstated figure I've seen for the number of men involved in the Battle of the Catalaunian Fields, 451 AD - goes back to a 6th century soruce). It's just impossible to make a precise count in that range unless you have a position numeric system ->the concept of the figure zero. Which the ancients didn't have. The figures in Herodotus, Plutarch or Froissart are more about glorifying this or that king or hero./Strausszek (talk) 06:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you support 1800 as the date to draw the line?Dejvid (talk) 14:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's a sound point. And it's also the point in time when the modern conscripted mass army came into being. Louis XIV or Henry VIII could never have raised a Napoleonic army. /Strausszek (talk) 03:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 1800 as a cut off point

message: I suggest to merge it with List of battles and other violent events by death toll because the topic largely overlaps or to make more differenciated lists specific for say, battles, air raids, terrorist attacks, etc. Naturally all entries need sources like in this article. Wandalstouring (talk) 15:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that right now that article is as much of a mess as this one, with even fewer citations, most of the data not contained in sortable tables, and many very small numbers which are probably only included because of their notability, even though they actually had very few deaths, for example Kent State Shootings, which only had four deaths. Four doesn't seem worthy of inclusion in a list of most deadly events of all time. When adding battles to this list, I've tried to only add those with over about 10,000 casualties, because it seems that others don't qualify as particularly deadly when compared to many other battles out there. Joe (Talk) 15:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Death is only one of the three main types of casualty. Choalbaton (talk) 23:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  merger 

message: This article has the same problems as most other articles where someone wants to make a PC statement about the evils of man.
This thing is almost 100% western.  WHERE IS THE REST OF THE WORLD?  Don't they count?  Don't they have history and historians?  At the very least the Chinese had BIG battles, and in 4,000 years LOTS of them.  Somehow, I think the rest of the world deserves to be included any article purporting to be "comprehensive".24.10.110.171 (talk) 17:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Provide sourced statements. Wandalstouring (talk) 14:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are more than welcome to add these per WP:SOFIXIT, including your references. Joe (Talk) 14:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Blatantly lacking is a lot of information. Everybody is free to add sourced statements, however, there was a problem with unsourced claims that couldn't be checked. Since numbers are an issue of considerable debate all unsourced material was removed. The old material neither covered the history of 90% of the human race, so if you want to argue for it, read WP:Verifiability. Wandalstouring (talk) 11:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I think, a reminder that only well documented numbers are presented in the article would be sufficient. This is not the article about the most famous battles, therefore a quantitative nature of this concrete articles applies intrinsic limitations. However, I see no problem to include a separate table for battles that are believed to be lethal, although the exact numbers are unknown. Of course, this  should be a separate table.--Paul Siebert (talk) 21:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As the person who added most of the battles currently in the list, I agree that many are missing. Perhaps a sentence in the lead would be appropriate, warning that the list is incomplete due to conflicting information about some battles, especially ancient ones, would be appropriate. However, deleting this article would be going way to far, even if it is not complete, it is a lot more complete than it was a few months ago, and has the potential to be extremely useful, accurate, and complete. Anyone is welcome to add any battles that are missing and they have an appropriate source for, but I would rather not restart the sourcing debate. Joe (Talk) 22:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: There is nothing PC about the concept of this article. Deaths in battle have fascinated (and impressed) people since thousands of years before PC was invented. Choalbaton (talk) 23:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete this article 

message: Reading the table I find three ways to note which years a battle took place:
:1. 1939-1940
:2. 1940-41
:3. 1942-3
I suggest we note the years on all rows in the same way; and I vote for the 1st alterative since it's the hardest to misinterpret. /Tense (talk) 19:48, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that they should be standardized, but I'd support the second one to stretch the table less. I doubt many battles have been fought over multiple centuries, and if they have, they aren't included here (yet, at least). If you look at Siege of Leningrad, or Winter War, those entries make that column abnormally wide for all the single year battles, which is the vast majority. Perhaps we can have the second one, and then if any battles over multiple centuries are added we can switch to the first for all of them? – Joe Nutter 20:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. I change my vote for the 2nd alternative. Only two rows of data are affected I believe, and I will change them now. /Tense (talk) 12:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for changing that, it does make it look better. – Joe Nutter 14:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsequent notation of years

message: I'm preparing to add many more entries to the list, but before I do so I was considering what the appropriate minimum would be. Many famous battles, such as Battle of Midway, only had a few thousand casualties, and are therefore somewhat out of place in a list of bloodiest battles. For that matter, some American Revolutionary War battles had great strategic significance, but had under 1,000 casualties, like Battle of Cowpens. I've used 10,000 casualties as a cutoff in the past, does anyone else agree with this? – Joe Nutter 17:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How 'bout the Battle of Hill Ten (Korea) - 2 casualties?Aaaronsmith (talk) 20:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cutoff of minimum casualties 

message: This article says that 200,000+ casualties happened, but the actual article for the battle itself says it was only about ~30,000... whats up with that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.190.154 (talk) 09:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Seden 

message: I sorted the list in the "Sieges and urban combat" section, descending by the Casualties column.  The fifth item in the list is Battle of Algiers, with a casualty count of 313,000.  The ninth item in the list is Warsaw Uprising, with a casualty count of 200,000+ killed.  In between are three items all with the same name, Siege of Jerusalem, and with casualty counts of less than 200,000. Capedia (talk) 02:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah.  The bug was not in the sorting method, but rather in the page source, which contains numbers that are used for sorting but not displayed in the table.  I corrected those numbers in the page source and now the sorting behavior is correct. Capedia (talk) 02:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  list sorting bug? 

message: I think Falklands War must be taken out of this article. The figures here are grossly exagerated, since 14.000 is proably the number of troops movilized, while the death toll is about 1000 tops. 
On the other hand, wars that were really bloody like Triple Alliance War, Pacific War and Chaco War are not even mentioned. Only in triple alliance war, all males from paraguay were slaughtered!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.80.164.8 (talk) 16:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to note that this is a list of "casualties"; in war casualties include wounded and captured too.--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 23:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree. I think the Battle of Tuyuti (Triple Alliance War, about 18,000 casualties) and the Battle of Celaya (Mexican Revolution, about 10,000 killed) should be on this list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.1.172 (talk) 23:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOUTH AMERICA 

message: There is no need to source the removal of the Battle of Algiers from this list. We have two articles about the so called "battle": Battle of Algiers (1957) and Algerian War- the Battle of Algiers was a urban guerrilla campaign by some 1400 Algerians against the French authorities in a city that at the time had around 300,000+ inhabitants- it compromised executions, bombings by the guerrillas and arrest campaigns by the French authorities - it is laughable and ridiculous to claim that all and every Algerian victim of the Algerian War) supposedly died/ was wounded in the battle of Algiers, when in fact city life went on as normal. The fame of the battle (if it should be called a battle at all) comes from the movie The Battle of Algiers (film). There are far more important battles and this one is neither a battle nor are the casualty figures in any way correct! --noclador (talk) 23:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither article has sourced casualty information that I can find. Wikipedia articles are not adequate sources for other Wikipedia articles. Therefore, unless you can provide a valid, scholarly source saying that these figures are incorrect, I'm going to stand by the figures that I have a citation for. Also remember that these include wounded. – Joe N 23:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  313,000 casualties are the Algerian dead for the entire war - not the battle of Algiers alone; that is the problem. It is like saying the battle of Stalingrad cost 20 million Soviet citizen their life... which actually is sum of all dead from 1941-1945 from the Soviet Union. Also the Battle of Algiers was no Battle at all - it is like Kabul today: bombings and attacks every other day, but the city in general operates as normal. It can be included in the list - but in that case leave all casualty figures out: as the one give is bogus and accurate sourced ones are difficult to find (I tried - but everytime a search for Battle of Algiers brings me to the movie,...) --noclador (talk) 00:36, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember, this is a list of casualties, not just dead. There may well have been 313,000 dead for the entire war, but if there were 312,000 wounded and only 1,000 dead in the battle there would still be 313,000 casualties for this list. – Joe N 03:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a problem of the whole list - often no one knows how many casualties there were and relying on R G Grant's book as a reff for something so slippery is not okay.  Yes, it does say casualties (though a lot of the figures for other battles are for dead) but are you saying that it is credible that the entire population of Algiers was wounded?  Finally any figure for these kinds of operations is arbitrary in the sense that it is dependent on where you define the space and time limits within which the supposed battle took place.Dejvid (talk) 16:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is problematic, but since this encyclopedia is based on sources, wouldn't the best idea be to go with what a source says? If you have another source which gives different numbers, than those should be added in, by all means, but I think that a historian and author would be the best person to make the estimate. – Joe N 21:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

text: There are some things that do not lend themselves to an encyclopedic treatment.  A list of battles ranked by casualties has the problem that for many battles the casualty figures depend on entirely arbitrary choices as to when and where the battle begins and ends,  Earlier battles are more closely defined - two armies deployed on a specific field and nightfall marked the end.  However earlier battles often have unreliable casualty figures that in the worst cases are guesses or even pure propaganda.Dejvid (talk) 11:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Algiers 

message: The heaviest attacks ran from February to August 1945, but began as early as 1942. For the horrific February 1945 assault alone, 97,000 Japanese, mostly civilians, were killed and 125,000 were wounded with more than a million, almost incredibly, left homeless... I am quite surprised this is not on this list. Charvex (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Bombing raids are not included in the list per the lead of the article. – Joe N 00:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the title of the Wikipédia article that lists human casualties due to military « bombing raids » or other one-sided military assaults? Thanks. Charvex (talk) 07:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Firebombing of Tokyo]]

message: Something is very wrong with number of casualties stated for the Nivelle Offensive; far too low. At the absolute minimum, it should be the sum of the casualties of the Second Battle of the Aisne (Chemin des Dames) and the Battle of Arras (1917); 438,000 dead by the Wikipedia article counts alone. Did the source (354,000 killed) list Allied losses and not German losses, or something? Maybe a better source is needed. Charvex (talk) 23:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a reliable published source which gives a higher number, you are welcome to add that in as a range. – Joe N 00:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Nivelle Offensive]] count

message: Why is this not on the siege list?? This is an embarrassment. There were horiffic losses here for both the Germans and Soviets. I am not sure on the exact number, but it would easily make the list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.28.170.95 (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're probably right, but sadly none of my sources specify the numbers. If you have one that does, please, by all means, add it. – Joe N 22:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siege of Sevastopol during WWII 

message: Which section would this be under?
~250,000 dead or wounded. ~450,000 Soviets captured.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.28.170.95 (talk) 06:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say major operations, since the majority wasn't actually in the city, unless your source specifies otherwise. – Joe N 14:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Kiev (1941) 

message: A question regarding the numbers -- sorting in absolute numbers has it's charm, but isn't there a difference between a battle with 100k causalities when it took place when the world population was about 1 billion compared to a time, when it was 4? What would happen if the absolute number was given as percentage or one-tenth of a percent of the estimated number of people (in the world? on that country? of the involved nations?)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.2.190.254 (talk) 10:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My perception is that it could be added as a column if we had the correct world population curve. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 08:40, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers relative to world population? 

message: Changping is not a single battle, but a military campaign that consisted of many battles. Now it can be restored if someone can find numbers for the casualties of a single battle. Overall, a campaign lasting two years can't be considered as a continuous battle.
Intranetusa (talk) 02:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed the Battle of Changping

message: Four and a half million seems much to high considering the population of Leningrad at the time was 3 million. The source quoted doesn't add up to more than 2 million either : http://books.google.com/books?id=fGPBOAatMycC&pg=PA221&dq=The+Siege+of+Leningrad+1941%E2%80%9344:+900+Days+of+Terror,+Zenith+Press&ei=duAJTOfbJqiGzQSp88WWAw&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ansgarjohn (talk • contribs) 07:13, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Leningrad casualties much too high ? 

message: The casualties of the "Battle of Sedan" (1870) are supposed to be "200,900 including those captured and later killed". This is certainly wrong. The wikipedia-article on the battle indicates about 6000 casualties and abut 20000 wounded. Virtually the whole French army was taken prisoner. Of course, almost all of them survived. Please correct this figure. --84.177.150.89 (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you know of a trustworthy source reflecting this, please let me know and I'll gladly change it. – Joe N 02:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, sorry, looking through the history, someone else changed it from "captured" to "captured and later killed" without saying why. I'm changing it back. – Joe N 02:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sedan casualties much too high ! 

message: I'ne noticed several battles found here earlier has been deleted - example: Battle of Qaddasiyyah (over 30 000 casualties) - and somehow the deleted battles seems to coincide with various Muslim wars and conquests. Why?
: I suspect because no *reliable* figure exist.  If that  wasn't the reason it should have been.Dejvid (talk) 13:21, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battles deleted 

message: I'm curious why the Battle of Hattin is not listed in the set piece battle list. The Wiki page for the Battle of Hattin says that 17,000+ were killed. There are other conflicts with death tolls as low as 13,500. If no one has found a reliable source for that figure, I would be more than happy to find one. Hattin was a hugely significant battle. It sealed the fate of Crusader held Jerusalem and helped launch the Third Crusade. Its also the most famous single set piece of the Crusader era. I vote that it should be included.--Factchk (talk) 17:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a source to back up those numbers, please, by all means, add it. I would assume that I didn't because it wasn't in any of the sources I used. – Joe N 22:22, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, I'm on top of it!--Factchk (talk) 17:34, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Got it! 20,000, John Riley-Smith, The Crusades: A History, New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 2005 page 109--Factchk (talk) 23:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Hattin 

message: By default, shouldn't we sort both tables in order of descending casualties? That is what we advertise in the article title after all. I'm willing to put the effort in if people agree (though help would not be rejected!). –CWenger (^ • @) 23:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Default sorting 

message: I came to this page to see if there had ever been a more costly battle than that of The Battle of The Somme. I saw that there was a battle listed, Searchlight, that had twice as many deaths - 3,000,000. Fully aware that in the west where I live the history of 'eastern' nations is taugh very sparingly I read the Wikipedia article on Operation Searchlight, amazed I had not heard of such an event. However upon reading the article is appears that the 3,000,000 were not killed in battle but were civilian casualties of genocide, hardly the same thing at all. So I've decided to remove it. If you disagree please read the Operation Searchlight page and state your reasons below :-) Cls14 (talk) 22:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Operation Searchlight 

message: I think the sack of Béziers France in 1209, during the Albigensien Crusade, would qualify for this list. The Papal Delagate overseeing the action reported 20, 000 dead. 99.184.78.202 (talk) 05:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Massacre at Béziers]]

message: Should the Third Battle of Nanking (1864) not be included in the Classic Formations section?  The wiki page claims at least 200,000 casualties, just on the rebel side.  I haven't added it as I assumed there must be a reason such a large battle was omitted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.90.72 (talk) 11:37, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Battle of Nanking 

message: the first section says it's sortable, but it's not. how to fix?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.41.219.159 (talk) 07:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  not sortable? 

message: I'm not sure how the sorting tech works with things like "approximately" and other non-numbers thrown in so I can't edit it myself, but: In the urban fighting section, when you sort by casualties, the Battle of Kiev shows up as the battle with the least casualties despite showing over 700,000.  Bye now.  98.180.47.149 (talk) 00:41, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table sorting out of order 

message: I guess this is one of the deadliest series of battles which is missed in this table.--Seyyed(t-c) 05:04, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Battles of Rzhev]]

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message: I was looking for the original "Largest Battles" article which listed them by number of combatants, but it seems to have disappeared from the web. Viciouspiggy (talk) 16:12, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the previous article? 

message: Figures will often be a guess and this is obvious when rounded numbers are given. The second table puts the figures in two columns for high and low estimate. (I would have put it as low then high to show the range.) First table could do the same. I would put refs and notes in seperate columns. Littering the data with caveats breaks sorting as noted in at least two prior notes and is poor "lane discipline" (Database Normalisation)
David Crayford ☎ 00:55, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Approximately 

message: There are far too many inconsistencies in this article to correct. Most of the misinformation is provided by Grants work. For example Grant incorrectly claims their to be over 20,000 deaths in the Battle of Chaeronea (338 BC). However the battle is estimated to be roughly 5,000 as mentioned in it's Wiki page. Multiple entries using him as a reference are off by a considerable margin. Furthermore this page is being used to further original research. Vajra Raja (talk) 07:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article should be removed 

message: What about add the biggest naval battles? Каракорум (talk) 09:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval battles  

message: This article should include not only the casualties, but also the death toll of the battles. I came here to find out the deadliest battles and the information is not here nor in List of battles and other violent events by death toll. Aavalente92 (talk) 02:22, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information missing 

message: The Hundred Regiments Offensive from 1940 is listed as part of the Second Sino-Japanese War rather than World War II. But the earlier Battle of Wuhna in 1938 is listed as part of World War II rather than the Second Sino-Japanese War. There doesn't seem to be a consistent rule of categorization. 208.59.185.238 (talk) 21:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the Second Sino-Japanese War be considered part of or separate from World War II? 

message: This really appears to be a questionable classification - very little of the fighting at Gettysburg occurred in the town proper.  I don't think I've ever seen this classified as urban warfare before. It's already elsewhere on the list, so if there's no objection I plan on removing Gettysburg from the urban combat listing. Hog Farm  Talk 15:39, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, does not belong there. –CWenger (^ • @) 22:52, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gettysburg as "Sieges and urban combat" 

message: Should the Siege of Mariupol be included in this list? The lowest estimate is around 8254 deaths (6000 Russian soldiers, 906 Ukranian soldiers and 1348 civilians) and the highest estimates as high as 127,853 casualties (6000 Russian soldiers, 4200 Ukranian soldiers, 3903 captured Ukranian soldiers, 87000 identified civilians and 26750 unidentified civilians). EloyEspinosa0 (talk) 16:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it should be. 41.202.232.58 (talk) 17:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siege of Mariupol 

message: I propose to reorganise the article with the following sub-categories:
- Raids and Bombings
- Naval Battles
- Battles and Sieges (pre-1914)
- Battles and Sieges (post-1914)
- Military campaigns Maxime12346 (talk) 15:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories overhaul. 

message: If you sort the first table (that of sieges and urban combat) by casualties increasing, there are two obvious problems. The Siege of Batogne inflicted 2,100 casualties, less than half of the 5,000 the preceding paragraph claimed all these battles inflicted; and the low estimate for the Siege of Liege is 25,300, which is more than the high estimate of 6,000. סשס Grimmchild. He/him, probably 13:47, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . The Siege of Liege was simply added with the casualty figures swapped, doesn't seem like vandalism. –CWenger (^ • @) 15:51, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  First table has problems 

message: Should Siege of Suiyang (An Lushan Rebellion) be added? There were reportedly 130,000+ casualties. There's also a Wikipedia page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Suiyang). 45.64.242.222 (talk) 06:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siege of Suiyang 

message: just wondering why the battle of the Somme or Verdun is not there under the deadliest battles by casualties list. MrGamerBoy (talk) 17:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found it never mind MrGamerBoy (talk) 17:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the battle of somme not mentioned?