Wikipedia talk:Words of wisdom

message: Wikipedia:The Wikipedia does not revolve around you? - Omegatron 01:35, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
* No, the current name is fine. The syndrome is not Wikipedia-specific. But that would work fine as a redirect. Created. --cesarb 01:54, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  move page? 

message: From the past few weeks on Wikipedia, I don't believe TINC is entirely accurate anymore. Granted, TINC rings true with those who believe one monolithic force that guides Wikipedia other than maybe Jimbo, but its gotten too big for even him to control completely. 
However, if you look at certain niche places such as WP:AFD, or on certain articles, especially those that are disputed, signs of loosely aligned cliques or cabals or whatever you want to call them arise. Some of them do good and positive things(Wikipedia:Esperanza), some of them have beliefs that can be positive or negative depending on your POV(Inclusionists, Deletionists, etc.), and then there are some that are just plain disruptive and/or harmful to Wikipedia IMO(usually sockpuppet brigades from outside websites or groups of editors that wish to shut out or intimidate other users from their opinions either with personal POV advocacy or Instruction Creep)
Most, if not all of them are very loosely aligned and focused from what I've seen, but they do exist, and understanding them and learning to encourage positive cabals and discourage negative cabals is far superior than just putting our hands over our eyes and believing that they're a figment of our imagination. Karmafist 23:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just saw this, and unfortunately, I am apparently not alone in my beliefs. I wonder how many more editors we'll lose before this problem is dealt with. Karmafist 23:12, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: IMO

message: "When you start accusing everyone of being in on a conspiracy, you shouldn't be surprised if they decide to confirm your paranoia by banding together against you." —khaosworks 
I mean, how come this is possible? Does he has a book written? I mean, I guess there can be a justification, but this looks weird to me. I recall there os a rule against this.--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 06:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, what are you talking about? How come what is possible? --AySz88^-^ 07:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what he's saying is that khaosworks is a non-notable author!  T-man, we only require citations from sources in the main namespace, where the articles are. Pages that start with Wikipedia: are about Wikipedia, and often quote people who have been important on the project. So no, this doesn't violate any rules, it's intended to be this way. Essjay Talk • Contact 07:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's this about? 

message: There is a cabal. Don't let them brainwash you too! AHHHH! Эйрон Кинни 21:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cabal 

message: The Mediation Cabal comments somewhat ironically on the mediation/arbitration situation.
I'm confused about the above statement - what/which "mediation/arbitration situation", and in what way does it comment? --AySz88^-^ 22:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Meaning that by naming themselves a "cabal" they are making an ironic comment. - Jmabel | Talk 00:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand the "ironically" part, I don't understand the rest.  (What/which "mediation/arbitration situation"?  The cabal situation?  And in what way does it comment?) --AySz88^-^ 01:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For your last question, it comments ironically. ~  Ghelæ talkcontribs 16:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification? 

message: Who fnorded the no-cabal image? B.Mearns*, KSC 16:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fnord. ~  Ghelæ talkcontribs 15:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fnord? 

message: Just curious, but.. what's everyone else? -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 13:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: bots. --AlisonW 14:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, approx. 0.000003%  claim to be aliens. But yeah, the rest are bots. ~  Ghelæ talkcontribs 16:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Please remember that the majority of the editors are human"

message: If you think everybody's out to get you, consider the alternative possibility that nobody cares about you.
Paranoia is just another form of grandiosity. If you express your belief that everybody is out to get you, you affirm your arrogance in believing that you are that important.
''
What is this?  Insulting comments are not needed in the WIkipedia namespace.  This page explains the concept quite clearly without getting snappy or belittling.  This little tidbit at the end is insulting and unnecessary.  Propose deletion of it, but I want to conduct a survey before editing it out.  Actually, I'm going to go ahead and remove it, but if someone reverts me, I'll let it go until consensus is reached don't jump down my throat if you don't like it :-)  Karwynn (talk) 15:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:TINC#If_you_think_everybody.27s_out_to_get_you.2C_consider_the_alternative_possibility_that_nobody_cares_about_you.|Whoa!]] 

message: I think it's a worthwhile reminder. - Jmabel | Talk 03:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Why is this section necessary to the page? It seems not to fit with the rest of the information on the page, and actually go against it. I'd like to remove this section. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 03:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that 5 years is long enough to wait for a reply.  I shall remove this section. Gandydancer (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "There is a cabal" section 

message: "If enough people act independently towards the same goal, the end result is indistinguishable from a conspiracy."
I am familiar with this phenomenon from playing Poker, where I like to call it "implicit collusion".  --Ideogram 07:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and this impression of collusion can be amplified when the selection process for the editors naturally creates a bias. We do not have the same kind of editors within Wikipedia as outside Wikipedia. Edith Sirius Lee (talk) 22:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Implicit collusion 

message: :Image:CabaleNoNeko-couleur-Rama.jpg
:Image:Villianc.svg
To add to the article, perhaps, someday...-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  00:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pics 

message: I don't get this article. What is it  about? If someone's emailing here please tell me also in non-suffisticated words--Angel David 22:48, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Uh

message: Super Silly. Page should be deleted. Some one from the "Cabal" should nominate the "article" for deletion.  Master Redyva  ♠ 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:The current months-long controversy over furtive IRC-channel behavior and secret ArbCom decision-making processes bear out an ordinary editor's perfectly plain understanding that the following is no longer currently true: "A cabal works in secret and avoids claiming responsibility. Wikipedia's editors, as unlikeable and unfair as the ideas and actions of some may seem, cannot be accused of those failings." Perhaps the meaning is simply that editors may not be accused of those failings without being threatened with bans for personal attacks. Wouldn't that be more correct? --Wetman (talk) 22:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: '''''Delete'''''

message: whoa. going on three hours. I guess no one watches this page. the content is pretty weak. yet the issues, themes and concerns to be expressed or addressed are FUCKING VITAL. if someone understands my edit-- let's talk shop. if anyone understands the message or relevance of the previous version, PLEASE TELL ME. thx. Headlikeawhole (talk) 22:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the caption to the pic says it all. by the by- the cabal is the kkk. sike. but it might as well be. they used to march on washington ya know. the kkk. free speech and all.   

message: This section does not clearly convey any concept I can ascertain.  While I can see the outline of some general thoughts, I can't see any nugget of wisdom contained therein.  It's very poorly written (way too many you / they pronouns), and others have noted its deficiencies in the past.  It needs to be re-written or completely removed.  //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Wikipedia and the Cabal 

message: Given that the universe is theorized to exist in the form of the surface of a four-dimensional hypersphere, upon which all points are topologically equivalent, I feel compelled to point out that, if, in fact, the universe revolves, then it does, in fact, revolve around me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.40.21 (talk) 19:02, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  4-dimensional geometry and you 

message: What does it mean if an edit is "Cabal Approved"? 50.195.51.9 (talk) 14:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to be a secret or perhaps they would have to kill us if they tell us.  See above edit as well.  I will remove this section. Gandydancer (talk) 15:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could somebody please clear this up for me? 

message: There Is No Cabal (TINC). We discussed this at the last cabal meeting, and everyone agreed that there is no cabal. An announcement was made in Cabalist: The Official Newsletter of The Cabal making it clear that there is no cabal. The words "There Is No Cabal" are in ten-foot letters on the side of the international cabal headquarters, and we show a disclaimer that there is no cabal at the start of every program on the Cabal Network. If that's not enough to convince people that there is no cabal, I don't know what will. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:32, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Whew, what a relief! (This is not a Cabal approved message, as such a thing obviously doesn’t exist). Happy editing! Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 22:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  There Is No Cabal 

message: Although an essay - and qualified as such - the quality of the material enclosed is high enough that consideration of revision, to avoid use of the 2nd person, would be worthwhile.  The essay's tone is jarring when beginning to use 'you' (experienced Wikipedians) as the 2nd person voice does not feature in Wikipedia more generally; one can accomplish the same ends by being a bit more circumpsect & careful with the use of language.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idfubar (talk • contribs) 14:36, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worth Revising (To Avoid Use Of The Second Person) 

message: This would have been fine if this page got regularly updated, but as it only has 2 real sections that aren't really related to each other (namely, WP:WORLD and WP:TINC), I think it would be better if this page were split off into 2 pages, WP:The universe does not revolve around you and WP:There is no cabal. Thoughts? — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 19:08, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split?