Talk:X League (women's football)

message: Is this section encyclopedic? These events haven't occurred yet. -- Hoary (talk) 23:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "2009-2010"

message: This article says both, that half times are 10 minutes and 12 minutes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.142.162 (talk) 19:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Half Time

message: I'm going to change the text regarding the upcoming season's broadcasts on MTV2.  As currently worded, it implies the broadcasts will feature the complete games, and this isn't so.  Every source I've looked at - among them, www.dailyherald.com, www.sptimesforum.com, and www.sportsbusinessdigest.com - says that these will instead be half-hour highlight shows.   Elsquared (talk) 04:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 MTV2 broadcasts 

message: The tag says the "criticism" section's mere presence may indicate the article isn't neutral, but since most of the language from sections above reads like something from a marketing department isn't it fair to mention possible controversies?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echo5Joker (talk • contribs) 16:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: geolocates to Las Vegas, the location of LFL Headquarters.  I've given them a  (conflict of interest) notice.  I'd say one more edit along those lines would be sufficient grounds for a WP:AIV report.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 03:31, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

text: See you at AIV  little green rosetta 04:11, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section tag 

message: Hi, I just moved the Lingerie Football League page to Legends Football League, as the league was officially renamed as of January 10, 2013. Is there a Wikipedia way to deal with the way the league is referenced in the article? Should all mentions of Lingerie Football League be changed to Legends Football League? 
Also, this page will need a new logo, as the logo for LFL has also been changed.
Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 18:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Legends Football League 

message: Surely there ought to be some mention of the Toronto Triump strike? It seems important if nearly an entire roster quits in a young league.  --Matthew Proctor (talk) 02:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toronto Triumph strike 

message: Can this really be described as "American football", instead of North American football/gridiron football ? Isn't it a bit too different to be called "American football"? (as different or more different than Canadian football) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 02:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "American football" 

message: I'm attempting to keep this from turning into an edit war, so I'll just state it here. Recently, me and an IP have been reverting over the addition of the LFL Australia teams list, which I stated is already verified, and per WP:CRYSTAL, as long as it's verifiable and almost certain to occur, it can be kept. The IP then stated that no sources in Australia exist of it, so I've provided some of them (I think they're from Australia) here: . ZappaOMati 04:23, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why it can't be kept is because it's not notable. Where crystal balling comes in is that you think it will be notable once it starts. It doesn't matter about verifiability. That's irrelevant. Notability comes first. You have to prove notability and until then, it stays off the page. Gridiron is NOT a notable sport in Australia and that's a fact. So those links you gave are far from adequate to prove notability. 101.171.127.236 (talk) 08:02, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Incidentally, check the Geolocate on that 203 IP. You'll see that was not me. 1.124.85.68 (talk) 08:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't look at the Geolocate for some reason (damn iPad...), but looking at American football in Australia, it looms like it's somewhat notable, even if there's no sanctioning body for it. Also, I proved at least some notability, and here are some more sources I found, which can probably be the "verified" portion. (). Anyway, you claim that it's not notable, WP:JNN? Also, you say that football isn't popular in Australia, see WP:FARAWAY. As long as there are reliable sources that don't contain trivial coverage, and the sources are independent of the LFL, it passes the general notability guideline. We're also trying to avoid systematic bias here, so WP:IDONTKNOWIT? ZappaOMati 14:26, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  You haven't provided any notability. At the most you're trying to relate notability to that which exists in the LFL in the US. You can't do that. Heck, I just looked at the men's national league page which was noted on the page you linked - it lacked notability sources as well and I prodded it as such for deletion. Individual leagues in a particular area have some very strict requirements for notability. The coverage is trivial, simply because the league hasn't started yet. It could stiff you know. That's why I introduced the crystal ball argument. The popularity is still a relevant argument because of the lack of real non trivial mainstream coverage. In fact the links you placed could be argued to be promotional, which counts it out as a valid source (I say that without looking at the links admittedly). In the end, one should actually wait until the whole thing actually starts - and see what happens. If it doesn't stiff, notability lines will be established and there won't be a problem. 1.126.85.57 (talk) 00:12, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looking at the sources I provided, I don't know what you're talking about regarding relating notability to that of the LFL in the US. I'm pretty sure at least a few of them are Aussie sources. But then again, I think probably one or two of them could be promotional (like the Brisbane arena one), but the announcement of a new league can't quite be considered as promotional, and the sources don't seem to just simply have trivial mentions, and have actual articles on it. For example (don't use WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:OTHERCRAP, since I'm not going to cry about the creation of the page): the creation of United SportsCar Racing. It received quite some coverage from various sources regarding the announcement, such as . Would two announcements be considered as promotional? Also, you didn't WP:PROD the page I linked, or at least I didn't see anything in the revision history. Even if the league doesn't start up, I think probably a mention regardless seems fine, since the LFL itself (as in the "owner", not the US league: I can't find a correct term, so as an analogy: NASCAR is the "owner", while the Sprint Cup Series is the league) had a failed attempt which would've garnered at least some coverage. ZappaOMati 00:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  It doesn't matter if the sources are Australian or not. You're relying - or rather they are relying (or perhaps both) on the notability of the LFL in the US to get over. I think there's a rule prohibiting that (associated notability or some such thing). The prod wasn't on American Football in Australia, it was on Australian Gridiron League - which after one alleged season (the winner couldn't even be cited!) has virtually no coverage. So if the men can't get coverage, what will happen to the women? You totally ignored my argument re crystal balling and preferred to argue against my promotional argument. EVERY story prior to something starting can be seen as promotional no matter what. The comparison to car racing is irrelevant because that has a presence in a lot more countries, including Australia (the Bathurst 1000 is an event in itself as is of course the F1 Grand Prix). 101.168.85.54 (talk) 06:09, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, now I see your point. Notability is not inherited. How could I have forgotten about the Bathurst as well? I ignored your statement because I didn't understand that statement at first, but as I said, Ifeel like probably a simple mention can be placed, even if the league fails to take off. Scratch that, the league's already mentioned under Legends Football League#LFL Australia. ZappaOMati 13:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

text:  Anyway, you prodded the page because it's not notable, and I see your point regarding that, though you also stated thenwinner cant be cited, though it does seem to appear that the results are at 2012 Australian Gridiron League season, and here, although that'd be a WP:PRIMARY source. ZappaOMati 14:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  LFL Australia 

message: Why the use of hot pink in the title?  Really hard on the eyes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.199.56.229 (talk) 08:23, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I couldn't see that colour on their official site, so I reformated that table to have the same colours as the "Defunct and planned future LFL United States teams" table. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 10:34, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  LFL US 

message: Placed an add on under the LFL Australia banner that I'm not sure is completely accurate, but want your opinion on. The add on states that it will never be back in Australia because of lack of players. Looks like it was removed once by an IP but I put it back (that's my IP that shows up because at the time I couldnt remember my login). Personally, the only source I've seen came from the Ladies Gridiron League but no reliable news sources. On the other side, the IP that removed it claimed the LFL said it would for sure be back in Australia, but there's been no substantial news there either. So I ask, is this something we feel should be removed from the subject, or just reworded to state its status is up in the air? Nate001 (talk) 06:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, leave it out unless someone can find a reliable source.  I'm a big fan of Jimbo's quote, "Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information". Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 11:39, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  LFL in Australia 

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message: As the Extreme Football League is essentially another rebrand of the LFL, I'm editing the article accordingly. But, otherwise, should the "X League" be given its own page instead? The XFL (2020) was given its own page and, unlike the X League, looks to be a complete revamp of the original XFL (2001), removing all the WWE-esque gimmicks and elements.MarcoPolo250 (talk) 15:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason I have held off on moving the page is WP:COMMONNAME. I have seen no evidence that any independent sources has noticed the rebrand (which this most definitely is). My guess is that no one will notice until arenas actually confirm dates. Also, if the entire thing goes under, which happens frequently with minor leagues, then the page would just have to be moved back anyways. Per WP:NORUSH, we should wait until independent reliable sources start talking about it (COMMONNAME). Yosemiter (talk) 16:07, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Article or Rename? 

message: User:Yosemiter, unless you can find hard evidence that this is anything but another rebrand, stop changing the article. It's simple as that. MarcoPolo250 (talk) 20:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The "new" league itself has not directly acknowledged the LFL on its own pages. It has a different business model and it is claiming new history, which is quite different than when it rebranded to the Legends Football League. I agree it is the same entity, but to call it a rebrand vs a complete restructure is WP:SYNTH since no reliable source has made such a claim directly. And yes, despite the title in the BroBible article (which is not even a RS anyways), they too mention it as "new": "The “new” X League bills itself as a “new era in women’s empowerment.”". That source is simply there to show that at least someone outside the league has noticed it is the same organization. Yosemiter (talk) 20:27, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Also, at least one reliable news source has at least noticed: The Kent Reporter on Jan 9, 2020. There is WP:NORUSH at this time, but if your only issue is the primary use of "restructure" vs the perceived view of "rebrand". That is essentially a dispute over the use of single word. As I said, the X League considers itself a new entity under a new structure of ownership and team branding. Everyone else will (eventually) notice that it basically the same as the LFL. Until they notice and there are multiple sources calling it out as such, we would be writing original research. Yosemiter (talk) 20:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  X League Rebrand 

message: In the THREE YEARS since the league's restructuring, the name of this article should have already been changed. Instead, it's been wasted on stupid debates. The Extreme Football League begins play this Friday, and it's Wikipedia page is still as outdated and useless as its ever been.
Yet another example of donations going to waste on this website.Thecleanerand (talk) 12:23, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change The Name already 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. X-League retargeted to X League. (non-admin closure) Clyde!Franklin! 01:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: WikiProject Sports has been notified of this discussion. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Support per nom. –IagoQnsi () 08:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 November 2022 

message: One of the photographs is of three players wearing the same uniform, but the caption says ä player . . . ."2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:DB2E:DF73:29AF:1481 (talk) 05:12, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: Noticed that the current activities are missing here. Cant edit from phone so just posting this note. Heres some more current info in a related article: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Blitz_(X_League) DrMel (talk) 03:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page updates needed  

message: *Split X League (women's football) into X League (women's football) and Legends Football League. If agreed, I {cannot} do the split.   SBCornelius (talk) 17:15, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: lflus.com does not appear to be a legitimate site; https://lflus.us does appear to be an official site.  Reliable secondary sources, however, are preferred. 162 etc. (talk) 21:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Thank you, editing the above to add the request split tag. SBCornelius (talk) 17:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Hi  Spintendo , are the edits I made to my request sufficient to officially request a split? I'm not sure if you would be the one to respond or if my edit placed the request into a queue for consideration. Any help is appreciated. Thank you. SBCornelius (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I also wanted to note that one of the three sources listed above has updated their articles to correct the error in stating that the X-League is a continuation of the Legends league. The other two may do the same shortly. SBCornelius (talk) 15:35, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggesting article split with LFL content 

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Regards,  Spintendo  16:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, editing the above to add the request split tag. SBCornelius (talk) 17:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Hi  Spintendo , are the edits I made to my request sufficient to officially request a split? I'm not sure if you would be the one to respond or if my edit placed the request into a queue for consideration. Any help is appreciated. Thank you. SBCornelius (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I also wanted to note that one of the three sources listed above has updated their articles to correct the error in stating that the X-League is a continuation of the Legends league. The other two may do the same shortly. SBCornelius (talk) 15:35, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 10-JUL-2023