Talk:ALF/Archive 1

message: The sitcom-specific stuff here needs to be merged with lowercase Alf and moved to ALF (TV show), ALF (sitcom), or ALF (alien) and this page needs to redirect to Alf which disambiguates between Animal Liberation Front, Alf (mythology) and ALF (TV show)/sitcom/alien. Geoffrey 01:39 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)
:I suggest you get to it then, matey!!! quercus robur
:I think I have cleaned up all of these that I am sure of JimmB 03:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sitcom

message: I've redirected this to the Animal Liberation Front, as that's by far the most common one, and I've put a disambiguation link at the top of that page. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:02, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not the primary use of the term.  Yes, an unrestrained Google search returns Animal Liberation Front as the first hist, but it has many uses as the search return shows.  Whether or not the term has been Google bombed or not, I don't know.  Most people have no idea who the Animal Liberation Front are, but depending on their age and television habits, they might be able to recall ALF (TV series).  Also notice that if one searches Google with a string, the first hit returned is a photo of ALF, the alien.  I think the page history clearly demonstrates that there is no consensus for the primary meaning, so the term should redirect to the dab page. —Viriditas | Talk 09:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, Wikipedia:Disambiguation describes this problem. "When the primary meaning for a term or phrase is well known (indicated by a majority of links in existing articles, and by consensus of the editors of those articles), then use that topic for the title of the main article, with a disambiguation link at the top. Where there is no such consensus, there is no primary topic page."  What links here as of this comment is as follows:   
    * Situation comedy
    * List of terrorist organisations
    * List of fictional cats
    * Saturday morning cartoon
    * Talk:Alf Garnett
    * Wikipedia:TLAs from AAA to DZZ
    * Talk:Earth Liberation Front
    * David Ogden Stiers
    * Talk:Animal Liberation Front
    * List of people from Michigan
    * WRAL-TV
    * Chappelle's Show
    * Masters of the Universe
    * Sesamstraße
    * User:The Iconoclast
    * List of Sega Master System games
    * List of catch phrases
    * User:Byrial/Double redirects
    * User:Xphile2868
    * List of acronyms and initialisms: A
    * Len Carlson
    * Adult puppeteering
    * User talk:Jayson Virissimo
    * User:Bonzo the Moon Man
    * User:Jpblo
    * Talk:Rod Coronado
    * Saban
    * Dan Hennessey
    * User:JSmethers/TLA/A
    * User talk:PeterZed
    * Talk:Britches (monkey)
    * User:Spinoza's God
    * User:Crashnburn1988
    * List of fictional crossovers
    * User:*Max*
    * Lewis Arquette
    * User:Killer Panda
    * User:Schmierer/Aktivitäten
    * Talk:Anti-psychiatry/Archive 2
Removing user, talk, and Wikipedia pages and adding name of intended link:
    * Situation comedy - ALF (TV series)
    * List of terrorist organisations - Animal Liberation Front
    * List of fictional cats - ALF (TV series)
    * Saturday morning cartoon - ALF (TV series)
    * David Ogden Stiers - ALF (TV series)
    * List of people from Michigan - ALF (TV series)
    * WRAL-TV - ALF (TV series)
    * Chappelle's Show - ALF (TV series)
    * Masters of the Universe - ALF (TV series)
    * Sesamstraße - ALF (TV series)
    * List of Sega Master System games - ALF (Sega game) based on ALF (TV series)
    * List of catch phrases  - ALF (TV series)
    * List of acronyms and initialisms: Africa Leadership Forum, Alien Life Form (ALF (TV series)), Animal Liberation Front
    * Len Carlson - ALF (TV series)
    * Adult puppeteering  - ALF (TV series)
    * Saban  - ALF (TV series)
    * Dan Hennessey  - ALF (TV series)
    * List of fictional crossovers  - ALF (TV series)
    * Lewis Arquette - ALF (TV series)
Non-linked instances of "ALF" can be found here.  Based upon Wikipedia:Disambiguation and the above links, the primary redirect should be ALF (TV series).  Therefore, I am changing this redirect accordingly.  I've also updated List of terrorist organisations.  —Viriditas | Talk 03:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

text: After further research, paying closer attention to WP:NCON, WP:DAB, and WP:NCA ("In many cases, though, there is no decision to make, because the acronym has several expansions; meaning that the articles have to be at the spelled-out phrases and the acronym has to be a disambiguation article disambiguating amongst them"), I've come to the conclusion that a redirect to the dab page is more appropriate.  —Viriditas | Talk 07:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Animal Liberation Front

message: 10,400 hits from en.wikipedia.org for ALF -Animal -Liberation -Front 
  8,190 hits from en.wikipedia.org for ALF -television -Alien -Life -Form -Animal -Liberation -Front 
  2,320 hits from en.wikipedia.org for ALF alien OR television OR alien OR life OR force 
    667 hits from en.wikipedia.org for Animal Liberation Front 
    128 hits from en.wikipedia.org for allintitle: ALF 
     93 hits from en.wikipedia.org for ALF Animal Liberation Front 
     72 hits from en.wikipedia.org for allintitle: ALF -missing -image -project -mask -adminship -series -user -talk -television -user -talk -Alien -Life -Form -Animal -Liberation -Front 
:—Viriditas | Talk 09:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More search results 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
ALF (disambiguation) → ALF — A request is made to move ALF (disambiguation) to the dab page ALF, due to its alleged status as a malplaced disambiguation page; the article has been moved twice in the last year for this reason.  WikiProject Animal rights disputes this move, preferring to redirect ALF to Animal Liberation Front, with the rationale that the term "ALF" is most commonly used to describe that group.  Internal Wikipedia links and reliable, external print and electronic sources do not concur on a primary topic.  Previous discussion has occurred here. —Viriditas | Talk 13:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support per my comments above: there is no clear primary topic. -- JHunterJ 13:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
*To answer SlimVirgin, all of the groups listed in section zero are already sourced to reliable sources describing them as "ALF""ALF." Acronyms, Initialisms, and Abbreviations Dictionary. Eds. Michael Reade and Bohdan Romaniuk. Vol. 1. 35th ed. Detroit: Gale, 2005. 4 vols. Gale Virtual Reference Library. Thomson Gale. and can be shown whenever possible to use that acronym.  That's why they are listed in a reliable reference work.  Additional reliable sources can be provided showing that each acronym is supported by both mainstream and self-titled sources.  As only one example, the Afar Liberation Front is referred to as "ALF" in the mainstream media, by academia by the United Nations, in books and in papers published by the group referring to themselves as "ALF". —Viriditas | Talk 07:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 17:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support per my comments above: there is no clear primary topic. -- JHunterJ 13:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
*To answer SlimVirgin, all of the groups listed in section zero are already sourced to reliable sources describing them as "ALF""ALF." Acronyms, Initialisms, and Abbreviations Dictionary. Eds. Michael Reade and Bohdan Romaniuk. Vol. 1. 35th ed. Detroit: Gale, 2005. 4 vols. Gale Virtual Reference Library. Thomson Gale. and can be shown whenever possible to use that acronym.  That's why they are listed in a reliable reference work.  Additional reliable sources can be provided showing that each acronym is supported by both mainstream and self-titled sources.  As only one example, the Afar Liberation Front is referred to as "ALF" in the mainstream media, by academia by the United Nations, in books and in papers published by the group referring to themselves as "ALF". —Viriditas | Talk 07:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 17:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: :The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 17:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References