Talk:Christian Gnosticism

message: Well I think that is a decent list Fathers of Christian Gnosticism.  Any I've forgotten?
We should work on fleshing them out and de-listifying the text.
Any chance on re-phrasing the title to include the women?
Bmorton3 20:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for fleshing it out so wonderfully.  I was hoping someone would see my sparse beginnings and build it up.  Excellent!  SquirleyWurley 04:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK De-listed, and fleshed.  Anything else to work on? Bmorton3 15:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! I just fixed a link and did some punctuation work in a few minor places. Bmorton, you rock! SquirleyWurley 05:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Off to a Great Start

message: Now the text is marked with various issue tags:
tag                     	explanation	my response
merge with gnosticism   	           	Why?!
needs additional sources	           	Yes, i can agree with that
weasel wording          	           	could you please explain why?
personal essay          	           	an explanation on this talk page would have been desirable, but I can partially agree with that because sometimes it makes undue WP:SYNTHesis
It is easy to tag a text, but it is also customary to make explanations on the talk page. Please! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 09:11, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple issues??

message: Because many Christians (followers of Rome), deny relationship between Gnosticism and Christianity, the article "Christian Gnosticism " has the task Tell A is the of the relationship between Gnosticism and Christianity 
I think  tag about merge must be deleted.Volodyka (talk) 16:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Gnosticism

message: In the “Later Gnostics” section of this article, there is this:
"By the early 4th century, gnostics were kicked out the church and officially forbidden to meet, by the mid 4th century their books were widely banned and by the late 4th century Gnosticism carried a death penalty in the Roman empire."
I came to this page looking for the occasion (or occasions) when the Gnostic writings might have been banned by the Catholic Church. The phrases early, mid and late 4th Century are so vague as to be entirely unhelpful.  "Officially forbidden" by what decree or fiat?  Where and when were these writings officially banned by the Church? Which Emperor or Church Patriarch  issued the fiat that condemned to death anyone associated with Gnosticism?
Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 185) condemmed certain of what he considered heretical books and these included the Gnostic writings of Valentinus, and what he considered canonical texts were adopted by various other Church fathers. But the banning of the Gnostic Gospels, as they have come to be known via the Nag Hammadi Library, doesn't seem to have occurred at Nicaea as the text quoted above implies. Indeed, "a number of erroneous views have been stated regarding the council's role in establishing the biblical canon. In fact, there is no record of any discussion of the biblical canon at the council at all." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#The_biblical_canon 
Helpful articles at Wikipedia on the issue of the establishment of the New Testament canonical texts are... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon#Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon
The problem is that neither page mentions the Gnostic Gospels as specifically being banned.  So the question, it seems to me, remains open.
Also, a quibble: the phrase "kicked out of the church" is far too colloquial to be included in an encyclopedia entry.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luciusmichael (talk • contribs) 16:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vagueness needing citations 

message: The item Pre-Christian is somewhat confusing with if gnosticism developed before or is contemporaneous with Christianity, this title need some distinction, maybe Gnosticism and the Old Testament?!
Got confused when translating the article.
Dianakc (talk) 23:55, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: A confunsing concept

message: Was Gnosticism the original Christianity? Or did it actually have nothing to do with Jesus' original teachings? Were Gnostic writings dated earlier than others, such as the Pauline Christianity, or did they come later? 
Or was Gnosticism simply something that had been dated at the same time and co-existed with other denominations, though had just been early Christians who went in another direction and were more pagan-influenced, and thus, truly heretical when we consider the Abrahamic religions' stance on paganism?
Is the Bible as we know it today simply the final product of countless revisions over time, and did Jesus likely teach something entirely different?
I try to search for information though I never know how much of it is conclusive and non-biased. Though, of course, I understand the difficulty in proving something like this, when it's even disputable whether or not Jesus himself had ever really existed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.202.28 (talk) 03:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Gnosticism the Original Christianity?  

message: "Jesus is claimed as a gnostic leader by Christian gnostics (hence "Christian gnosticism")" - no source, and a pervasive smell of WP:OR. I tried to find sources for this term; there hardly are. Kathleen mcVey refers to Walter Bauer's Orthodoxy and Heresy in Earliest Christianity, stating that "some scholars believe that gnosticism represents a form of Christianity, the antiquity and legitimacy of which equals that of Christian orthodoxy." It seems that me that "Christan gnosticism" is a non-term, used by Chrisrian theologists in a polemical way. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:22, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've merged some of the contents of this article into :Gnosticism; the distinction of a "Christian Gnsoticism" is too thin. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:00, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is "Christian Gnosticism"?