Talk:Wii/Archive 4

message: Someone posted this in the article, "The codename refers to the console's promised "SHIT" of the video-game industry. For example, the console's controller, which can detect its exact location and orientation in 3D space, is a concept never before seen in mainstream video game consoles and never wanted to be seen...Nintendo is a pure failure."
Who added that and what was it originally suppose to say. Can someone please correct it.
Mag
To whom ever is adding data to the rumour section, PLEASE STATE THE SOURCE WHERE YOU HAVE GOTTEN IT FROM. Or else, I will have to delete all information inside the Rumour section (even though if it's true) and find the information again with me having the proof/site.
And I give you all a week to sort it out, and if it has being done in a week, I will have to  make the rumour section into a vote and confront the wiki members if the rumour section needs deleting or not.
:>x<ino 00:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism on article 

message: I have deleted the following:
*The Revolution may support a physics processing unit, with 32 MB of RAM. It will link to the CPU, GPU, and controller.
**Additionally, Jim Merrick of NoE stated that the hardware specs won't be released far from the Revolution's launch, if ever. This is an attempt to put down the importance of specifications, and the fact that non-gamers, an audience they're trying to reach, may not care.
**In another statement, Jim Merrick claimed that "there would be no significant difference between the graphical abilities of the console compared to other next generation systems". 
As the 2nd two points arent even rumours so shouldn't be in the rumours section. And the first point has no source and I have followed the Revolution for quite some time and the 'rumour' of a Physics Processor was not a romour, it was SPECULATION, which doesn't belong in the Rumours section. In future I may look over the Rumours section as it is still pretty messy and contains debunked rumours and speculation.
The Rumours section should be seperate from Speculation so it is clear what is rumoured and what is speculated.
NeoRicen 11:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 00:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Rumour 

message: Shouldn't there be some mentioning of the rumors that there will be a $100 visor for stereoscopic play for the revolution?
(which fits with the 3d-space controller nicely). From my point of view this is what would really set the revolution apart 
from the xbox360 and the ps3 (lots of 3d games like Mario 3d, Zelda 3d).
http://revolutionspecs.blogspot.com/2005/12/details-on-revolution-system-and-new.html
-- StephanSchmidt
:You could put a mention under rumours and speculation, but rumours like this have existed for pretty much every console, and the only source is a single blog. smurrayinchester(User), (Ho Ho Ho!) 10:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there are was a hype after the (fake) nintendo ON video, but reps from nintendo did hint in that direction, see http://www.playbomb.com/2005/12/12/125/nintendo-on-why-its-fake-and-why-its-not/ and http://seriousgamer007.blogspot.com/ -- StephanSchmidt
Here is the rumour as it was in the article:
* There are rumors that Nintendo will release a sub-$200 steroscopic visor accessory for the Revolution. There are also some hints in that direction from people who claim to have been behind the Xbox viral marketing program . eMagin are said to be behind the hardware and their $800 price tag will drop due to Nintendo mass marketing. Taken with quite some grains of salt as the Virtual Boy was a disaster for Nintendo.
From what I see, blogs are used to speculate. See about dubious sources: Personal websites and blogs are not acceptable as sources, except on the rare occasion that a well-known person, or a known professional journalist or researcher in a relevant field, has set up such a website.
Let keep the rumour here until a credible source is quoted. -- ReyBrujo 19:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Ok, but to me it seems quite funny to request "credible" sources for rumours. This kind of contradicts the meaning of rumour. For important rumours there are no credible sources, all credible sources are biten by NDAs. "Credible" sources (anonymous developers quoted on IGN are credible?) will only spill unimportant information like specs. But ok, I'll keep the visor rumour here. We'll talk again after you bought a visor in 2006 and have been played zelda ;-) --StephanSchmidt —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.95.173.185 (talk • contribs) .
The likelyness of a Visor is HIGHLY unlikely and I pity anyone who believes this 'rumour'. It should be deleted considering it was recently debunked when Nintendo purchase some visors from a 3rd party which denied it was being used in Revolution. NeoRicen 11:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 00:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visor rumors 

message: Alright, looking over the changes a bit more all I can see is that User 70.112.76.158 made a couple of edits to the hardware specs with no addition to source material, nor did they anywhere attribute the changes to an outside article.  I will revert the changes and invite 70.112.76.158 to provide the source for their changes before making them. 141.233.81.113 23:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The above is me, just figured I'd make an account after trolling the Wikipedia for a good year now :) Erik C 00:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hardware Specs

message: I think User:Vegasjon version is more neutral. Actually User:Doom127 is disrupting with POV pushing video games articles acusing other users with different POVs as sockpuppets and making lame revert wars. He doesn't obtain sucess with acusations and continues defacing articles pushing their POV and making more and more revert wars. --Quackshot 00:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What does this personal attack have to do with this discussion? Jacoplane 00:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look Jacoplane, Doom127 just start another revert war with POV pushing. I assume my words, this isn't personal attack this is a current fact.  Doom127 compromissed himself  with lot of coward accusations against me and now is trying hide their objectives and Bully negotiations methods. Doom127 contributions in last hours and see that I speaking is truth - accusation of sockpuppets, personal attacks --Quackshot 00:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Listen, I would suggest you (and everyone else involved) first sort out the Ken Kutaragi mess before taking this dispute to other articles. It's been suggested on Talk:Ken Kutaragi that those involved seek more mediation options. As far as I can tell that hasn't happened. This article is for discussing the Nintendo Revolution, not for anything else. There is no debate going on here about "this version is pov" or whatever. If you have a concrete objection to a something stated in the article please do mention it. But going on about POV and sockpuppets and "lame edits" is not helping this discussion. Jacoplane 00:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Doom127 didn't go as far as to call good faith edits vandalism.  Doom127 is editing, as far as I can tell, in good faith.  I disagree with his view on the accuracy of that paragraph, but a difference of opinion is far from vandalism.Vegasjon 03:14, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Did I say he was vandalising? Jacoplane 03:22, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Read the edit history of the article.Vegasjon 03:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  As far as I know, the entirety of the discussions and edits have been really civil. The only one I know who's accused anyone of being a vandal in this article was QuackShot, and the reason for his behavior has been discussed prior. Daniel Davis 03:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I agree with Vegasjon version 

message: Quackshot's revert wiped out all the changes that other users put into the Technical Specifications section (not just the innovations list). I can understand why VegasJon would want the original listing of innovations, but does anyone know why the Tech Specs section should have been reverted to an earlier version? Daniel Davis 02:39, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ya rly Robert Knight? GoldDragon/Doom127 sockpuppet Xbox fanboy ya rly --Quackshot 23:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical Specifications 

message: Hi, I cleaned up the rumor section (it was unusable in its current state because of all the contradictions). Many of the old rumors are now obsolete, and some opinions were being stated as a rumor (such as the speed of the Revolutions 1T-SRAM being 800 MHZ, thats not likely due to the extreme cost of high speed 1T-SRAM). Also, Jim Merrick statements are not "rumors" and should not be in the rumor section. Please try and keep the rumor section in a readable state! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.0.204.65 (talk • contribs) .
According to Yahoo! Japan
Satoru Iwata said it will cost less than ¥39795 OOSCARR
To whom ever is adding a data to the rumour section, PLEASE STATE THE SOURCE WHERE YOU HAVE GOTTEN IT FROM. Or els, I will have to delete all information inside the Rumour section (even though if it's true) and find the information again with me having the proof/site.
And I give you all a week to sort it out, and if it has being done in a week, I will have to  make the rumour section into a vote and confront the wiki members if the rumour section needs deleting or not.
:>x<ino 00:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumor section changes 

message: Who ever cleaned this article up, thanks a lot. The rumors part was looking really bad earlier —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.112.76.158 (talk • contribs) .
when ever I am with Nintendo fans, they annoy the hell out me, about Nintendo being the best and braging on about.
But looking at that article, it doesn't look like the best to me
:If you wanna live up to the sentence/ statement
::"Nintendo is better than Sony & Micro$oft"
Then I suggest you clean up the Rumour section, because to me it looks like a fan typed all that section.
Some information about the rumour can stay, only if it has a source/link to it proving about the rumour.
Also for the section E3 2006, I moved it!, because visitor doesn't wanna come to the article seeing E3 2006 already, I moved it near the bottom section. And the E3 was good but needs editing, I read it and it says
:"A Playable Revolution?" -the title, why the question mark!?
::"One source says that Reggie Fils-Aime has revealed (in an interview after GDC)"-that editor that typed that, did a nice job but not nice enough, he typed "GDC" and put a Internal Link to it, which gives out different meaning for GDC.
"GET TO WORK PEOPLE!">x<ino 09:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 00:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumour clean up 

message: I removed part of the Flipper info necause there is no link supporting that it is true.
Sincerely,
70.112.76.158
:I've moved the info which people keep on posting into the Rumours and Speculation section, and left a comment under CPU/GPU informing people of such. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 20:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flipper 

message: At this page, there is a section (the one entitled Freedom of Design) talking about Nintendo Revolution supporting indie games. I want to put something about it on this page, but it isn't a rumor or speculation (because Nintendo is the one who said it), but it doesn't really fit in any other category. What should I do with it? -AtionSong 02:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indie Games 

message: The lack of HDTV resolution will have no effect on the majority of Nintendo's targeted demographic. As of March 2005, only 10 million households have HDTV. A study by Panasonic concluded that 26% of households surveyed either have or plan on purchasing an HDTV in 2006. If these figures hold true, 3 out of 4 households will only have standard resolution televisions by the time the Revolution is introduced. The majority of Nintendo's market demographic, which includes anyone with a television, will not be able to use HDTV resolution capabilities. From a business standpoint, the amount of customers gained from a low-cost gaming system will far out-weigh the customers lost from having no HD output.
This note IS true and not just speculation, but I don't want to re-add it in the article (thus starting an edit war) without finding a few sources. Can anyone find some references for these notes? --ZeromaruTC 15:11, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it mainly because it felt speculative, unsources and possibly original research. But if you can get sources, I don't think there would be a problem. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 16:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It looks okay (baring validation of the numbers) up to the last sentence which is POV. I have a HDTV but that doesn't motivate me to purchase an xbox360 or ps3 over a rev. Garglebutt / (talk) 03:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recently removed High Definition Note 

message: I have added a small phrase to confirm that ATI designed "Hollywood" from scratch, and is not based on Flipper. This comes from an interview RevolutionReport had with ATI's Public Relations Manager for Consumer Products, John Swinimer. Here is the textual paragraph:
Hollywood is a specific design and is in no way reflective of PC technology. Even when the Flipper chips came out, people were asking that question: "Is this a spin-off of something done on the PC?", and the answer is no. It is designed the same as the Flipper was -- from the ground up for a specific console. Totally different sort of architecture from what you might find on the PC. Certainly, there are some underlying values—you know, how you get graphics on the screen—that's there. It's not, for example, like we took a PC design and said 'oh, you know what? If we tweak this and test this, it will work in a console.' [That's] not the case. ReyBrujo 02:37, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hollywood was designed from scratch 

message: Do people here think 1080up.org should be even mentioned here at all? As much, I believe it should have a couple of lines explaining they are a bunch of people wanting HD support, but having a whole paragraph about it, I think it is too much. -- ReyBrujo 20:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that it used to have its own page I don't think a few lines is too much to ask.  I personally don't care either way, but didn't want to offend those who already thought it deserved a seperate article (which it does not) so I shrunk/merged the page into a blurb.  Perhaps some of the specifics about the site could go and just present the essentials, but overall during this time of uncertainty, it is a pretty notable site directly in relation to the HD issue, and I can find no other site doing the same thing. What to do with it once the issue (HD or no HD) is resolved when the Revolution is released, I don't know, but for now it does deserve more than one sentence. Dannybu2001 21:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've shortened it considerably. But the link is still there.HappyVR 02:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1080up.org 

message: For example, the console's controller, which can detect its exact location and orientation in 3D space, is a concept never before seen in mainstream video game consoles.
Is this entirely accurate? I seem to recall that the Power Glove for the NES was capable of doing this (badly) as well. Or am I missing an important part of the sentence that the Power Glove doesn't qualify for?
:The Power Glove didn't detect its location, it could only detect roll and finger bend. The Power Glove behaved the same no matter how near to the screen you were, while the Revolution controller would be able to work this out and behave accordingly. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 14:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Smurrayinchester is correct. While a number of devices have existed that allow 360 degree movement, and there are even devices that allow for x/y axis movement via moving a mouse (such as the gyration wireless mouse), the Nintendo Revolution controller goes an additional step further. You see, the Revolution adds the in air x/y (up down, left and right) motion of the Gyration-based remote controller and adds a z axis (forward and backward) ability, thus allowing the game to sense a total full three dimensional range of movement. That's what the little sensor things on top of the TV are. There hasn't been any other game controller that allows this level of movement freedom. Daniel Davis 07:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 08:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I think on Prime you'd probably aim your gun with the controller, and use the analogue-stick-nunchuck-thingy to move and walk. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 11:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  But that wouldn't be accurate. This is a device that has never been done on a console before in any way, shape or form, period, not just in a main or a standard. There literally has *never* been anything that does this in video gaming. Daniel Davis 14:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  While the idea of the controller alone knowing how it's oriented might be something new in video gaming the concept itself has been used multiple times in arcade games.  Police 911 and MoCap Boxing by Konami both use sensors around the machine to detect the orientation of the player and boxing gloves respectively.  I also recall playing a samurai game whose name I forget which used outside sensors to determine the orientation of the sword to translate your sword swings and blocks onto the screen.  So while it's not a new concept, the way Nintendo is pulling it off is most likely the innovation here.  --TheKoG 15:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Nintendo Controller 

message: It's a major rumor, and just the fact that the Revolution may be able to handle it is an interesting concept. XtremeGamer99 00:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do you think someone should mention the Unreal Engine 3 in the Rumors section? 

message: Do we really need to include the "rumor" that Nintendo copied Sony's future version of the eye toy for the PS3, then debunk this rumor in the same paragraph? 
This rumor doesn't seem like it's spreading, so we should delete the whole paragraph, since it only adds more ambiguity for those who never heard about the rumor.
It's obvious to me that Nintendo experimented with this kind of controller a long time ago in their R&D labs. A controller that sense 3d  position and rotation is not an original idea in itself, it's just a natural way to control 3d games and programs. Nintendo believes that it can replace traditional video-game controllers as a main input device and that's what makes them different.----vl_tone
:: Well, it DOES provide a resource that shows anyone who needs to know that Nintendo has indeed been experimenting with it since 2001... if you can find a way to put that blurb somewhere else in the article, go right ahead and erase the part about the PS3. Daniel Davis 09:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know. To me the paragraph just seems like it is acknowledging partisan nonsense that otherwise shouldn't be noted, but I won't erased it as I'll probably just get reverted. -- Masamunecyrus 14:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention, PC accessories have existed for some time similar to this idea. Usually, they come in the form of a traditional "light gun" for pointing and a control nunchaku of some sort. Moving to the more remote style might seem novel, but the technology is quite old. Gspawn 23:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed it. You were right.HappyVR 02:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the Miscelanous section... 

message: I had edited the fact that the psp already has this parental lock feature present. Obviosly someone has changed it, they diagree for some reason?. The fact is the psp already has a parental lock feature so there is nothing special that the nintendo revolution has it, so why is there a whole paragraph about it. Also since the psp has this why is there no mention of the fact?
Sorry if altering the article offended anyone.
:I can't find any evidence in the article on PlayStation Portable, nor on the PSP website that it has parental controls. Do you have any proof to verify this? smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 11:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parental control 

message: I'm sure we've all heard the rumor of the Revolution being able to capture the image of the user and create a sprite of it (explaining the patent on bump mapping). Does anybody have a credible source saying something to that effect on this topic?
An_User 14:10, 20 February 2006
That's something already done by the eyetoy and other digital camera devices- If one comes out for the Revolution, there's no reason why it wouldn't happen. However, as of yet, no, there's nothing about that in the pipeline. Daniel Davis 19:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Rumor 

message: I seem to recall IGN mentioning that Nintendo said that they were getting rid of the 'A' and 'B' monniker for buttons for good on the revolution, and replacing them with different letters. I don't have the time to look for the article, could somebody locate it for me?
An_User14:10, 20 February 2006
Not sure what you recalled, but it's not true. A and B are right there and clearly marked. Daniel Davis 19:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: X and Y are also marked as the A and B buttons in one shot of the thing.  --HQ 21:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember something like the above - except the a/b buttons appeared as x/y in refelction on a shiny white surface - probably a touched up image - can't find a reference though. Perhaps it was just a dream..HappyVR 23:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I think those are mock ups made by a fan and definately not any real nintendo controller.HappyVR 14:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The A and B Buttons 

message: Re: reference 30 and Reference 54
Could someone supply references to the actual article or copy of these articles. The current links seem to connect to ONM wiki page and there is not the correct info there.
Specifically a link for this:
When the Official Nintendo Magazine 're-launched', it confirmed that "a new version of Animal Crossing, an update of Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, the next Super Smash Bros, and an all-new Mario" game were in the making.
HappyVR 19:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nintendo Magazine

message: The price in this section is oscillating between two values - why? As it is in the rumour section a link to the info is needed. I check a link  is this it?
There are no prices just question marks. Also was this survey commisioned by Nintendo?
Here is the section:
Beta online screens
In the March 2006 issue of Game Informer there is a show of some beta online screens, also commenting on the prices of the games from the various systems, ranging from $19.99 to $59.99. It also shows the interface of the online buy and rent screen for the games as well as their home systems.
And one possible reference above. I hope just cutting it is not thought to be too harsh. Feel free to put it back in with the text matching what is written in the article (or your related article)HappyVR 19:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Beta online screens

message: Can anyone give any background on these people since the website seems almost totally empty - like they've got nothing? Just some crayon drawings and a mp3 file? Music was nice though :)Good luckHappyVR 01:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Crossbeam studios

message: My video and audio codec addition was deleted. I don't know why. Gamecube used Bink Video, ADPCM, and Ogg Vorbis. Revolution SDK is simular to Gamecube's SDK using same codecs. If Revolution plays movies than it must have MPEG-2, Dolby Digital AC3 also on board. That's is your proof Revolution will carry these codecs. Renegadeviking 17:36 CST 03/08/06
I moved this to the bottom - that's where new posts seem to be going.
As far as I know the revolution doesn't play movies - not without an add on. As for Bink video, Ogg and Vorbis  - there's no reason why any number of encoding schemes might be used. These are software solutions, I think what is needed is the hardware capacity for sound and video e.g. Max sample rate, bit accuracy etc. The rest of the section relates to hardware - I think your infomation maybe should go in a separate section for 'software support(ed)' or similar.HappyVR 00:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CODEC 

message: There are two sections in the article - 'Games in developement' and 'Rumours:Games'. I noticed that both sections contain much duplicated infomation. There is also a page List of Nintendo Revolution games which could cover both. One of the two sections at least definately needs reducing / removing. Has anyone any suggestions what exactly should be done?
My suggestion would be to remove all duplicated info from the 'Rumours:Games' section, and possibly consider moving everything to List of Nintendo Revolution games. Any ideas?HappyVR 16:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd think maybe just remove the 'Games in developement' section and replace it with "See: List of Nintendo Revolution games" and in the 'Rumors' section just remove what's already stated in the list of games article. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 16:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the  List of Nintendo Revolution games section has formatting for rumoured games as well. (I'd probably split that page into games released (none at present), games in developement, and rumoured games sections.)However this would leave the Nintendo Revolution page entirely free of games or just with rumoured games in it. A paragraph of text would help as well as the link. Maybe something about SDK's etc?HappyVR 17:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games and Games 

message: Please put links to pages about specific revolution games at List of Nintendo Revolution games
The section 'games in developement' would be better for more general info.
Please don't duplicate info in the sections 'games in developement' and 'Rumours:games'
Perhaps the section 'games in developement' should be renamed 'game development' and have more info on SDK's etc?HappyVR 20:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Games

message: A few references are needed for this section.HappyVR 00:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumours and speculation subsection games 

message: Have started going through the article doing "cite web" and "cite news" for each of the refs.  Should lead to a tidier article.  Already done for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. --OscarTheCattalk 23:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like you've finished them. Good job.HappyVR 08:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!  I've popped a short ref name on each of them too, as requested. --OscarTheCattalk 09:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I suggest we call the Sixth Generation the Disc Age. All the consoles in the generation were the first to have games on discs.
H-BOMB 15:28, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this discussion should be on the History of video game consoles (sixth generation) article.  This pretty much has nothing to do with the Nintendo Revolution article. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 15:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sixth Generation Name Change