Talk:Duchamp (clothing)

message: (Update -- thanks to User:Racconish, the article is once again no longer one sentence.  Furthermore, is now has correct  tone, and some  citations.  The message below is still valid, but is now about *keeping* the article proper, going forward -- the difficulties in simply getting it expanded from a single vestigial sentence have now been solved.)  74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes on how to get the wikipedia article on Duchamp London properly written  

message: Corporate blog.
 
1. "chance discovery by the founder of a cache of 10,000 vintage cufflinks in a Paris flea market back in 1987"
:Contradicted by Robinovitz. — Racconish Tk   16:52, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Another source refers only to the fine ones. Sounds like promotional exageration. Would leave it out.— Racconish Tk   16:52, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Typical promotional wordage. Would leave it out. — Racconish Tk   16:52, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Needs a RS. — Racconish Tk   16:52, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Needs RS. — Racconish Tk   16:52, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Needs RS. — Racconish Tk   16:52, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Yes, Drapers is a reliable source, comparable to DNR. — Racconish Tk   16:55, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so then Retail Interior Awards is thus prolly notable enough for a fashion article, and we have the Retail Interior URL saying that Duchamp won in 2007, and that Four IV helped, so cross of 19 and 21. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  potentially useful sources 

message: with ties, see #4 above?  
with Rion, see #9 above? 
with Marc, see #14 above? 
with sale, see #20 above?  
See also #27, which proves shirts were being offered for sale as of September 2001, or earlier.  74.192.84.101 (talk) 15:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  when were shirts really introduced 

message: Racconish, or anyone else, object to this?  It seems to add a nice touch, but I'm not sure what policy applies (if any) about adding archived versions of the company's historical homepage.  
p.s.  Can somebody tell me what 'ready-to-wear tailoring' actually means?  Is that just designer-jargon for 'normal clothes sold off a rack just like in walmart' or is it something else?  Thanks.  74.192.84.101 (talk) 15:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your use of the archived page verges on OR. I think it would be better to attribute an POV on the launch of the shirts. Tailoring is ambiguous here : it can either refer to the type of garments (suits, jackets and pants), which is already implied by ready to wear, or - in an editorialized way - to the quality grade. Too vague to keep, IMO. — Racconish Tk   15:49, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  (Agree on the vagueness of tailored-ready-to-wear.)  As to the homepage, yes, I fully agree that the old homepage in no way settles the shirt-question.  That is above in a separate question, and yes, using the homepage to answer the shirt-question crosses the line into original research (or is at least a dark-grey area).  That said, I put this question into a distinct section about WP:EL (as opposed to WP:RS in the references section) in a separate question, because I think the old homepage is of historical interest.  Not as a source being cited, just as a Unique External Resource Not Appropriate For Wholesale Reproduction Inside The Article.  It gives a nice contrast with the current modern homepage (dotcom + ajax heavy + complex layout + tablet oriented design + evolving aesthetic).  Do you think adding it as WP:EL adds usefully to the article, first, and then second, is it typical practice in other clothing business or fashion business articles to showcase their 'classic' products in this way?  If not, maybe there is a reason, WP:NeverEmbarrassTheFashionCorporationWithTheirNowLongOutOfStyleWares, or equivalent?  :-)     — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 16:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not 'typical' and not very neutral. At this point, during AfD, I would suggest focusing on adding quality reliable sources. — Racconish Tk   16:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds good to me, thanks.  I am heading out for awhile, ping my talkpage if there is anything I can do to help. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:18, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  adding 2001 homepage as WP:EL 

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