Talk:Romanian language/Archive 3

message: How do you pronounce Cretu? --Vladko 18:59, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume it's "Creţu" and it should be pronounced something like "CRE-tzou" (in IPA: 'cre.ʦu) bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 19:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: A recent edit increased the claimed number of Romanian speakers, with no citations at all. I am inclined to revert; I would revert if there were citations for the old numbers, but one uncited number is not that much better than another. Still, I find it almost impossible to believe that there are three million Romanian-speakers in the U.S. As a person who lives in the U.S., has spent time in Romania, and reads Romanian decently, I've seen no evidence of there being more than a few hundred thousand Romanian-speakers in my country. 
Could someone do some proper research and add some cited numbers? -- Jmabel | Talk 00:37, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
=== 40 mil. is very exagerated ===
First of all the last American census shows 367.000 Romanian-Americans. Romanians are the 22nd minority in the USA. If there were 3 mil then that would mean 1% of the whole population and would put Romanians at the 4th of 5th position. 
Second of all, where did the 1.019.000 Romanians in Russia come from? The CIA world factbook makes ref. to 0.7% "Maldavians/Romanians" in the Russian Federation but the data is really obsolete. It cites the 1989 census when the 0.7% was for the whole of the USSR outside Moldova not The Russian Federative Soviet Socialist Rep. . The CIA world factbook gives estimates on population even for Romania and states that 22.300.000 people live in Romania right now even though the census showed 21.697.000.The current number in Russia is more like 178.000( according to the last census of 2001). In Khazachstan about 20.000 and no more then 1000 in Tajikistan. 
Someone should really change those numbers. (User:Duca 18 May 2005)
* I agree. That's why I was calling for cited numbers. Could you put this into the article, with citations? (By the way, US census numbers on European ethnicities should usually be considered minimums rather than precise numbers, but conversely they are unlikely to be off by a factor of more than two, let alone ten.) -- Jmabel | Talk 06:41, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
This constant number juggling in the article is beginning to annoy me. I can assure you all that most Romanians don't give a ****, we just want accurate numbers here. Decius 14:46, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers 

message: First of all the last American census shows 367.000 Romanian-Americans. Romanians are the 22nd minority in the USA. If there were 3 mil then that would mean 1% of the whole population and would put Romanians at the 4th of 5th position. 
Second of all, where did the 1.019.000 Romanians in Russia come from? The CIA world factbook makes ref. to 0.7% "Maldavians/Romanians" in the Russian Federation but the data is really obsolete. It cites the 1989 census when the 0.7% was for the whole of the USSR outside Moldova not The Russian Federative Soviet Socialist Rep. . The CIA world factbook gives estimates on population even for Romania and states that 22.300.000 people live in Romania right now even though the census showed 21.697.000.The current number in Russia is more like 178.000( according to the last census of 2001). In Khazachstan about 20.000 and no more then 1000 in Tajikistan. 
Someone should really change those numbers. (User:Duca 18 May 2005)
* I agree. That's why I was calling for cited numbers. Could you put this into the article, with citations? (By the way, US census numbers on European ethnicities should usually be considered minimums rather than precise numbers, but conversely they are unlikely to be off by a factor of more than two, let alone ten.) -- Jmabel | Talk 06:41, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
This constant number juggling in the article is beginning to annoy me. I can assure you all that most Romanians don't give a ****, we just want accurate numbers here. Decius 14:46, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  40 mil. is very exagerated 

message: Changed info in the speakers-table, according to the data for the native speakers in each country's census. See links to the official census web sites in the article Hungarian language (at the beginning of the article) --Danutz
===For Ukraine===
There is no national data stating how many people speak one language native, the census in 2001 just says how many members of one national group (for example Romanians), speak the language of their national group, how many Ukrainian, how many Russian and how many another language.
For example in this page, one can find out that 258619 Moldovans live in Ukraine, out of whom 181,124 of them speak the language of their national group (officialy Moldovan), 27,775 speak Ukrainian, 22 speak Russian, and 45,607 speak another language as their mother tongue (most of those declared Romanian as their mother tongue, the number of those declaring another language than Romanian, Ukrainian or Russian should be no more than 100). So  181,124 + 45,500 ~ 226,000. 
Also, 150,989 declared themselves Romanians, out of whom 138,522 declared Romanian as their mother tongue, 9,367 Ukrainian, 4 Russian, and another 2,297 another language (very few declared Moldovan).
Adding another 100 members of another nationalities, that declared Romanian as the mother tongue, we get: 226,000 + 138,522 + 100 ~ 364,600. --Danutz (revised 15:22, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Speakers

message: There is no national data stating how many people speak one language native, the census in 2001 just says how many members of one national group (for example Romanians), speak the language of their national group, how many Ukrainian, how many Russian and how many another language.
For example in this page, one can find out that 258619 Moldovans live in Ukraine, out of whom 181,124 of them speak the language of their national group (officialy Moldovan), 27,775 speak Ukrainian, 22 speak Russian, and 45,607 speak another language as their mother tongue (most of those declared Romanian as their mother tongue, the number of those declaring another language than Romanian, Ukrainian or Russian should be no more than 100). So  181,124 + 45,500 ~ 226,000. 
Also, 150,989 declared themselves Romanians, out of whom 138,522 declared Romanian as their mother tongue, 9,367 Ukrainian, 4 Russian, and another 2,297 another language (very few declared Moldovan).
Adding another 100 members of another nationalities, that declared Romanian as the mother tongue, we get: 226,000 + 138,522 + 100 ~ 364,600. --Danutz (revised 15:22, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: For Ukraine

message: *collapsing Latin's five cases into two, the nominative/accusative and genitive/dative - now im not expert on linguistics, so i ask you to put a few quick examples on how did ROmanian collapsed the 5 cases of latin into two. I know romanian has nominative, accusative, genitive, dative and vocative, i dont understand the current formulation "two cases, nominative/accusative and genitive/dative" -- Criztu 19:14, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  cases of romanian lang