Talk:War Cross (Norway)

message: The British naval officer, Bernard Warburton-Lee, who died during the destroyer action at Narvik is reported at  as a recipient of the War Cross. The website referred to in the article, listing recipients, omits Warburton-Lee. Does anyone have an explanation? Is one of these sources wrong? Folks at 137 19:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Warburton-Lee

message: Suggest to move this article to Krigskorset med sverd. See e.g.: Croix de guerre, Bundesverdienstkreuz, Légion d'honneur.......KjellG (talk) 11:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, depends on hwo we interpret WP:COMMONNAME.  Even in English language sources, Croix de guerre is referred to as such, there would probably be a case either way on Legion of Honour, part of the reason of going with the French in that case is disambiguation.  The only English language source I've found which refers to this however call it the Norwegian Military Cross (see London Gazette ref in article).  We really need a range of English language sources, and see ho they name it, do they name it in English, or give the Norwegian as the name with an English translation and so on.  David Underdown (talk) 11:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm opposing this proposed move. At to the Royal House of Norway's own website the Norwegian Decorations page call it the War Cross with sword, so it seems clear to me that the proper English name is "War Cross with sword". Manxruler (talk) 12:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: However, Krigskorset med sverd should redirect here and not be a redlink. Once this issue has been settled I'll get around to fixing that. Manxruler (talk) 13:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What comment are there to e.g. Croix de Guerre (etc....) not beeing translated accordingly? Some other projects do, some do not. WP:EN is english so it should be like: War Cross (French).KjellG (talk) 19:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an issue you should take up over at Talk:Croix de guerre. Or perhaps rather with the Wikipedia policy folks. Manxruler (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the link I pointed you to above.  There were hundreds if not thousands of Croix de guerre issued to Allied forces in the First and Second World Wars, so the meaning of Croix de gurre is fairly well understood - particularly given that many peopel understand some French.  English languag sources almost invariably refer to the Croix de guerre using the French title, not an English translation, so per Wikipedia policy, that's how the article is titled.  This decoration has been awarded to just 126 non-Norwegians, so it is not nearly so well known, nor is Norwegian so widely understood by English speakers.  The only English language sources I've seen have named it using an English translation primarily, as pointed out above, even a Norwegian website name sit this way in its English language version.  David Underdown (talk) 10:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

text: As this move doesn't seem to be happening I took the liberty of creating Krigskorset med sverd as a redirect to War Cross with sword. Manxruler (talk) 00:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to [[Krigskorset med sverd]]? 

message: Just been adding medal references to articles from the London Gazette and it uses the term The Norwegian War Cross it is not clear from this article if the War Cross and War Cross and Sword are the same. Are they two different classes of the same award? MilborneOne (talk) 08:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look in the seciton above this you'll find a link to the Norwegian Monarchy's webpage on Norwegian decorations.  It lists only the War Cross with sword, there's nothing else with a similar name, closest is War Medal.  From what I've been able to make out, the first award consists of the medal, plus one sword on the ribbon, subsequent awards being marked by the addition of a further sword for each award (rather like British practice of adding a bar to the ribbon for each subsequent award).  From what I've seen of foreign awards in the Gazette, there's no great consistency in how they're described, even for the common awards like the Croix de guerre, sometimes they mention additional devices added, sometimes they don't.  David Underdown (talk) 09:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. The Brits just didn't get the name right. There's one class only. Manxruler (talk) 09:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK thanks for that, should really redirect Norwegian War Cross to this page as it appears in a few British articles. MilborneOne (talk) 10:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. Will do. Manxruler (talk) 11:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Norwegian War Cross

message: Please credit the top photo in the article, in the same way as it has been done on Norwegian-wiki.
"From the private collection of KEN. Photo by KEN."
(Fortunately, on Norwegian-wiki, we really know how to do things right.)--85.166.1.124 (talk) 11:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, the policy on English Wikipedia is that the information on the image's own page is sufficient credit, and it is unnecessary to give credit directly in image captions. David Underdown (talk) 15:50, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The relevant policy is Wikipedia:Captions#Credits: “Unless relevant to the subject, do not credit the image author or copyright holder in the article. It is assumed that this is not necessary to fulfill attribution requirements of the GFDL or Creative Commons licenses as long as the appropriate credit is on the image description page.” --Kjetil_r 14:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo credits are lacking. 

message: Ok, I have blundered, I think. I interpreted the basic award as the "War Cross (Norway)" with "swords" added as for British medal bars; this was prompted by the apparent primacy of the War Cross (Norway) article and my mis-reading of the lead para (I still think there's ambiguity). On this basis I started to review award holders and placing them into Category:Recipients of the War Cross (Norway) (single awards) and Category:Recipients of the Norwegian War Cross with Sword (multiple awards). 
I have now realised that the basic award is "with Sword" but before I correct my edits, could someone please confirm this is correct and is there a explanation on why the main article is not "War Cross with Sword (Norway)" or "Norwegian War Cross with Sword" (currently a redirect)? Apologies. Folks at 137 (talk) 06:03, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The sword was awarded by  default in the inductions after 18 May 1945. Before that the statutes  said: "When the War Cross is awarded for personal effort in combat, the  ribbon has a sword". It was awarded a few times to banners or units,  those awards were without sword. The royalty awards were without sword,  as were some awards to foreigners and civilians. Paaln (talk) 12:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarification

message: :::::Zwischenstop=Break. Sorry for being "somewhat slow in answering" - please allow a break of ~1,5_hrs. I did my best to improve, but was "superseeded" whilst editing.  [w.] 12:22, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I would put my "faith" onto the Norwegian article. --Wintereu (talk) 23:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorry