Talk:Mangosteen

message: In Indonesia, it is called Manggis. I wonder why it's not written here.
Yandri (talk) 12:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Name

message: What does it taste like? An encyclopedia article about a fruit should probably mention something about the taste. Besides, I'm curious.  =) --BeSherman 13:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taste 

message: Before you start badmouthing this fruit, take a quick look on PubMed.gov.  You will find that there is a substantial amount of legitimate research articles from peer-reviewed journals about this fruit.  I am not commenting on any companies that sell any mangosteen products, I am just stating that there is real research out there that does indeed demonstrate that the mangosteen has health benefits.  There is more compelling evidence for this fruit than for some pharmaceuticals.  Also, you should note that the journal articles are in no way tied to any of the companies, and quite a few of them were written before any mangosteen supplement was ever brought to market.  I am all for removing marketing and propoganda from Wikipedia, but you cannot let your personal biases against companies cloud your judgement about what the scientific community has put forth in their research.  I am not standing up for marketing or any business/company, nor am I confirming what anyone has written about mangosteen's health benefits, but I am standing up for legitimate science.  I am also not saying that all research articles are fact or flawless; however, you will find that the xanthones in the Garcinia mangostana are COX-inhibitors as well as histamine and serotonin inhibitors.  You will also find that the xanthones have shown anti-cancer/anti-tumor properities in vitro, as well as being antibacterial, antifungal, and antiviral.  Take a look for yourself, and you will find these journal articles.  ARA 02:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do your research 

message: If one looks carefully at the structure of mangosteen's fruit that is preferred for human consumption, it's clear immediately that the white flesh -- botanically, an aril seed covering -- is without pigmentation (read that as absent of antioxidants which are phenols with defensive roles usually on the outside of a fruit or vegetable).
Xango juice is made (apparently, as the method is proprietary) in a 3 step process. 1) juice is squeezed from the edible aril as a base for Xango; 2) juices of several other fruits are added; 3) xanthones from the inedible purple pericarp are added for color and antioxidant value.
This recent paper takes a factual look at mangosteen aril nutrient quality (poor, nearly absent), aril antioxidant value (must be nearly zero, as the plant does not need antioxidant protection deep inside the overall fruit structure, so the flesh is without pigmentation), and research underway on xanthones (an adolescent research field by comparison to other antioxidant phytochemicals).
http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=17613&zoneid=43
Conclusion: there isn't much to get excited about concerning Xango. A consumer would get more nutrition and probably equal antioxidant value drinking tomato, grape or cranberry juice at prices of what?, $2-3 per liter? whereas Xango costs about 10 times more? --Paul144 16:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mangosteen aril "fruit" nutrition and antioxidant qualities are poor

message: Much of this page sounds like "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" – hardly encyclopedical. Mangosteen is currently being marketed. I'm trying to tone down the advertizing language and I'm removing dubious statements taken from the referenced links, where they appear with no source other than some MD's opinion. 
I will also remove the claims about "many times the antioxidant capacity of popular vitamins" which I could not back up in gov or edu sites: , . — Sebastian (talk) 06:41, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)
I would agree with that. there is alot of hype surrounding the mangosteen due to xango. the mangosteen rind is mostly tannins. I'd like say thank you for all you wikipedians out there working hard to remove the Xango spam that routinely shows up on this article. CiXeL
If that is the case then why are so many people claiming to benefit from incorporating mangosteen juice into their daily health routine?  There has to be some benefit to the fruit. Doesn't there?
I added in the info on the frozen version and the Oahu irradiation facility.
I simply CANNOT wait to see mangosteen juice die off like the noni juice fad so the snake oil salesmen stop. CiXeL
The USDA has published a standard test of antioxidant value called ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity) that is used to rate antioxidant quality of foodstuffs, nutritional supplements and nutritional minerals (like Selenium.)  Even One-A-Day and Centrum vitamins now state that they have antioxidant value.
We hear about tomatoes having lycopene, which is a food antioxidant.  Good for heart health, and all that.  Can I write an article about ORAC comparisons of various fruit and vegetable foodstuffs?  Most red and dark berry juices have specified ORAC values (red grape wine, pomegranate juice, noni juice, mangosteen juice, cherry juice) all are high ORAC value foodstuffs.
Reference on high ORAC foodstuffs and the healthy benefits, from United States Department of Agriculture.  From the article: Foods that score high in an antioxidant assay called ORAC may protect cells and their components from damage by oxygen radicals, according to studies of animals and human blood. ORAC measures the total antioxidant power of foods and other chemical substances. Early findings suggest that eating plenty of high-ORAC fruits and vegetables—such as spinach and blueberries—may help slow the processes associated with aging in both body and brain.
German Wikipedia claims a much higher nutritional and medical value to this fruit, specially as the best source of anti-oxidants. ! See the table on the page http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangostane
References include various modern studies from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?term=mangosteen&cmd=search&db=pubmed
: Let's keep in mind the edible fruit itself is white (no pigments that would confer in vitro antioxidant effects). The only significant polyphenol source in mangosteen is in the inedible purple rind which is dense with tannins. 
: For nutritional content of the edible fruit, this appears to be the source of information which cites an independent, government-approved lab with doing the assay. I am unaware of any other nutrient analysis done on mangosteen fruit, pulp or peel. What's in the peel, if its nutrients have indeed been assayed, seems irrelevant because the rind is both inedible and certainly unpalatable due to the high tannin content.--Zefr (talk) 00:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I recently purchased some of these as whole fruit in NZ. Given NZ's extremely stringent phytosanitary standards which would probably be more stringent then those in the US in general, I suspect the mention of them being illegal to import in the US may be untrue. I don't know where these originated from (perhaps Australia) or how they were treated (perhaps irradiated although irradiated mangos that I've bought have been clearly labelled) however I'm guessing they can be imported (whether they are or not I don't know). They were extremely expensive of course... Nil Einne 06:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whole fruit 

message: The question was asked in a check-in comment why we're keeping the montosogardens.com and proscitech.com.au links if the xango one is inappropriate. Personally, I have no problem with the montosogardens.com ("Montoso Gardens is a... botanical garden, tropical flower and fruit farm, and nursery with over 600 species of exotic tropical flowers, fruits, nuts, spices, and palms. ") & proscitech.com.au ("Serving Light, Electron Microscopy, general Science & Technology Laboratories in Australasia") links. Both of the pages linked to are actually pages for the mangosteen within a larger site, and not sites dedicated to selling mangosteen fruit juice via multi-level marketing ("The first company to harness the real power of the exotic Garcinia mangostana, XanGo not only leads the mangosteen-based dietary supplement market—we created it."). I feel WP:EL supports my interpretation, but I'm willing to discuss it here. -- Steven Fisher 17:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're absolutely correct.  Information on websites from gardens, museums and the like is routinely used - the idea being that they're not really pushing a product in the manner of a true commercial site.  The other link at proscitech goes to an isolated portion of the site that details information from a book.  If we called that a commercial site, everything from webhosts that prefix their domain name would be out, and that would be silly. Shell babelfish 21:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, I got the impression that the only criteria that user was using for "commercial" was whether there was a .com in the domain name. I really can't see any other way that the XanGo site is related to the other two. -- Steven Fisher 21:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: Would a link to the XanGo article be appropriate for the See Also section? Why or why not? I'm a bit torn on the subject -- although it promotes XanGo a bit, it also points out additional information about XanGo's marketing campaigns. -- Steven Fisher 16:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been monitoring the XanGo article and I also am torn. I don't want to promote those *unprintables*, but on the other hand, it would be good for potential marks to know it's an MLM scheme. Ask at the Village Pump? Zora 03:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  XanGo link? 

message: The FDA's take on Xango and any supposed dietary health product marketed with such exhorbitant anti-disease claims that accompany Xango juice is to assess whether the food or beverage qualifies as a "drug". 
In other words, if a fruit has sufficient scientific proof that it prevents or cures diseases as Xango marketing material claims, then it must be a drug requiring the long series of expensive research including clinical trials required of any company developing a new drug from biotechnology.
See this warning letter issued to Xango in Sept. 2006 and apparently still under evaluation as there appears to be no further news to date in February 2007.
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g6024d.htm
Xango LLC provides its position as of October 2006
http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/hotnews/6ah28484.html
This information needs to be written into the Article. The public coming to Wikipedia for facts needs to know issues surrounding the description given here. If we hold mangosteen (that is, any fruit and its juice products) to the stringent standards of the FDA, then the public can be assured whether health claims are valid. 
I will give this discussion area a few days for debate before providing an update to the Article, unless someone else would like to take it on.  --Paul144 16:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Xango LLC Warned by the FDA About Marketing Practices and False Health Claims, Sept 2006

message: Near the top of the article it says that the rind is hard. Near the bottom, it says that the rind is soft. I also question the statement that the fruit is usually torn apart rather than cut. That may be true in the field, but at a table, I'm sure it would be served cut due to the staining juices. Additionally the fruit inside is very delicate and can be damaged easily by any pressure on the rind. The pictures in the article, and every picture I've seen of the fruit, show it cut, not torn apart.
La Gringa 08:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rind is hard or soft? 

message: way relates to the Garcinia Mangostana. Even if the name of Mango does signify the Sperm that relates to the reproductive process the fruit undergoes, a Homosapien Penis has nothing to do with this! No empirical evidence has been found linking the Male Genitalia with a Mangosteen. I am a scientist and I understand these things.
:I have heard reports that mangosteen has Asperger's syndrome. Is this true?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.110.235 (talk) 02:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Their was/is (?) a picture of a Penis on this site which in no .... 

message: i need to know for our further experiment..
:The mangosteen pericarp is a dense purple, color given by pigments called phenolics (also called phenols), see the picture gallery, with a good discussion there about many aspects of this fruit. As with most plants having deep colors, natural plant pigments have been used for centuries as dyes for fabrics, cosmetics and even the food industry. For example, apparently over several decades until recently, the USDA used juice from black raspberries as a stamp ink for labeling fresh cuts of meat. --Paul144 01:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can mangosteen's skin be used/made as an INK? 

message: I have removed the majority of the text in the xango section of the article. The first paragraph read like an advertisement for Xango, and the rest of it was just copied and pasted from the xango article. Considering that it really dealt with the FDA/XanGo case, i dont think it was relevant for the article on the fruit. I've left the following text in: Several commercial mangosteen juices are on the public market, primarily in the United States and Canada. One well known juice company is XanGo. I think that will suffice. THE KING 00:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  XanGo 

message: User:Paul144: In general, I agree that it's not encyclopedic to mention specific commercial products, but in this case I had two reasons for including the reference to Bolthouse Farms.  1. The page had very few things linking to it.  2. Mangosteen is, to the best of my knowledge, unavailable in the US in any other fresh form.  If you think that's inadequate reasoning, feel free to revert again, but I'm going to restore my edit. --Keflavich 20:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keflavich -- 1. internal links can be done by editing other related articles and using the internal link to mangosteen. A commercial brand is not the way to take care of this. 2. using a notable brand like Bolthouse Farms doesn't justify the commercial link. Readers may take it as endorsement which an encyclopedia does not make. If allowed, other brands would argue theirs is better. There are numerous mangosteen juice products -- usually adulterated with other fruit juices, but still branded as mangosteen -- making this an endless game of upmanship if allowed once. --Paul144 21:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you name any other fresh mangosteen-included juices?  This is the only one I've seen, but I'll admit that my experience is limited.  Perhaps more are available in Asian grocery stores?  This was the first mangosteen product I'd ever seen in stores, but if there are others, I'd like to know about them. --Keflavich 21:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolthouse Farms product 

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thread_title: [[WP:FOOD|WikiProject Food and drink]] Tagging

message: I don't know anywhere else but here in Malaysia it is called the 'Queen of Fruits'. Also I've read some articles before saying that it is the queen of tropical fruits.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.101.44.193 (talk) 00:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also called the 'Queen of Fruits' here in the Philippines (and Durian the 'King of Fruits').  Although the fruit is known locally as Mangis or Mangostan, but the English name Mangosteen is equally popular the past years ;)  --- Laibcoms (talk | Contribs) 14:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen of Fruits 

message: I just purchased some mangosteens for $5.79 a pound at a local Asian market (and was shocked to see fresh mangosteens). I assume these are irradiated and from Thailand. Are they now becoming more generally available and cheaper nationally? The article mentions them coming from Puerto Rico for $45/lb in NYC. The Puerto Rican mangosteens doesn't really seem worth mentioning if they are now more widely available for a price in line with other imported tropical fruits.70.245.236.202 (talk) 05:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Valid point so I made edits to that discussion. Also applies to several cities in Canada where mangosteens can be found in Chinatowns and common grocery stores for $6 per lb and up.--Zefr (talk) 11:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fruit price in the US? 

message: * Akao, Y. et al. ”Anti-Cancer Effects of Xanthones from Pericarps of Mangosteen”, International Journal of Molecular Sciences (2008),9(3):355-370.
* Shan, T. et al. “Xanthones from mangosteen extracts as natural chemopreventive agents: potential anticancer drugs”, Current Molecular Medicine (2011),11(8):666-677. Abstract only.
--Ronz (talk) 22:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential refs

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thread_title:  [[:File:Mangosteen scale v2.jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: Given the notice above, I quickly looked at the medical information to see what progress we've made in the article contents. There were two short paragraphs sourced only by individual studies which I removed  per WP:MEDRS. The previous, relevant discussion here made no note of MEDRS applying. --Ronz (talk) 22:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Info based upon two individual studies removed

message: <content copied to article>
Nina.elle (talk) 16:10, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming that you intended to add this content to the article itself, I have moved it there.  -- Ed (Edgar181) 16:26, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultivation 

message: Lukamuel (talk) 13:27, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pest and diseases on mangosteen 

message: There are different management options to control the diseases.  As a preventive action the likelihood for sun scalding should be reduced because there is a higher possibility for leaf blight and stem canker.  Secondary a reduction wounds caused by insects and storm damages help to minimize the entries for diseases. Additional a better aeration and faster drying of the leaves could reduce the disease pressure. This change of the microclimate could be achieved by a looser tree spacing and a corrective pruning.  The chemicals applied on root collars and tree stumps can control the diseases on roots. Whereas the use of legume cover crops for the reduction of the pathogen nutrient stock and the support of antagonistic organisms is another management measure. 
A helpful management practice is to take the infected branches and trees away. This practice reduces the spread of the disease on woody parts of mangosteen. Another measure which could stop the distribution of the disease is to burn down the attacked plant parts. Finally fungicides are an option to control the fungus by the reduction of the inoculum.
For the control of insect pests by [[biological control agents] ] can be one measure. Futhermore the use of insecticides can also help to reduce the population. 
The monitoring of the diseases as well the pests is important that the appearance can be realized early enough to initiate control measures.
Lukamuel (talk) 13:27, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Control measures for diseases and pests''' 

message: In breeding of perennial mangosteen the selection of rootstock and the grafting are two big issues. The target of these breeding issues is to deal with constraints to production, harvesting or seasonality.  Most of the genetic resources for breeding are in germplasm collections whereupon some wild species are cultivated in Malaysia. The above described conservation methods are chosen because storage of seed under dried and low temperature conditions isn’t possible. Especially the wild species are important to get information about ecological tolerances. 
Because of the long duration until the trees yield fruits and the long resulting breeding cycles, mangosteen breeding isn’t an attractive research topic. Additional in the countries in which mangosteen trees are growth, there are monetary and research based limitations.
No improved mangosteen traits by conventional breeding weren’t reported. Perhaps the little breeding progress is also connected to the breeding constraints like small amount of seeds, long gestation period, slow growth and apomixes. Nevertheless there are a hand of breeding objectives which could enhance the mangosteen production:
:-	Drought tolerance: sensitive to drought in the first 5 years after germination
:-	Tree architecture: crown which is regular and pyramid-shaped
:-	Fruit quality: 
::               i) bitter taste caused by changes of pulp, pericarp and aril 
::              ii) fruit cracking as reason after a short excessive water uptake 
:-	Rootstock: for a better adaption to drought and good development in the early stages 
Lukamuel (talk) 13:43, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The information provided above by User:Lukamuel is almost certainly plagiarized from book publications. Contributors to Wikipedia should spend the time reading and understanding relevant content, then write new content into an Article using their own words. I don't feel we should be copying whole sections from Talk to be added into an Article without some effort by the user who brought the information to the Talk page. That causes an unfair burden on other editors who want to produce a better Article. Let's apply some editing and writing skills to actually contribute to the encyclopedia. --Zefr (talk) 19:03, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Hy User:Zefr, thank you for your comment. I would like too improve the mangosteen entry with some information about the diseases and the pests. I really tried to write down the information with my own words and gave the citation. Perhaps it wasn't very skilled to cite only one literature but there isn't that much about this topic. Because i like to get some comments, i put my text first on the talk site. I am really looking forward for comments from the community, espacially from you - Zefr - that you give me some constructive feedbacks. Zefr, tell me where there is a plagiarism in my text (I hope there is no) and how i could improve it, also with other literature. Lukamuel (talk) 12:55, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Lukamuel -- my suggestion would be that you read available information first on mangosteen from the online comprehensive resources used in the Article, such as Morton and Crown, to be sure the content you wish to add is not already contained in those resources. Rather than only a hard copy reference you have sourced (Osman which is not easily obtained online), the excellent online resources (Morton, Crown as examples) can be checked quickly by typical users of Wikipedia. Also keep in mind that Wikipedia intends content to be of general information value to common users, so is not a scientific journal where all details about a topic need to go into the Article; see WP:NOTJOURNAL. I found the Pests and Diseases content you posted to be far too specific and scientific, unlikely to be of interest to the general user, so inconsistent with WP:NOTJOURNAL. Because English appears not to be your first language, I do agree that you should post your content here on the Talk page first, then I or other editors can help finalize content before entering it into the Article. --Zefr (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

text:  Zefr - thank for suggestion and help. I will reduce the part 'Diseases and Pests' and try to make it easier for the typical user. For Osman et al. i could give the link to the pdf-file.
Nina.elle (talk) 08:58, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Genetic preconditions for breeding, breeding aims''' 

message: The cultivated mangosteens seemed to belong to the same variety [1]. But recent research points out that some variation exists[1]. Future research on genetic description can lead to breeding programs for different cultivars [1].   
References
[1]	Osman, M. b., Milan, A. R., and Williams, J. T. 2006. Mangosteen. Garcinia mangostana L. Fruits for the future 9. Southampton Centre for Underutilised Crops, Southampton, UK.
Fuhrerd (talk) 18:50, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The information provided above by User:Lukamuel is almost certainly plagiarized from book publications. Contributors to Wikipedia should spend the time reading and understanding relevant content, then write new content into an Article using their own words. I don't feel we should be copying whole sections from Talk to be added into an Article without some effort by the user who brought the information to the Talk page. That causes an unfair burden on other editors who want to produce a better Article. Let's apply some editing and writing skills to actually contribute to the encyclopedia. --Zefr (talk) 19:03, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Hy User:Zefr, thank you for your comment. I would like too improve the mangosteen entry with some information about the diseases and the pests. I really tried to write down the information with my own words and gave the citation. Perhaps it wasn't very skilled to cite only one literature but there isn't that much about this topic. Because i like to get some comments, i put my text first on the talk site. I am really looking forward for comments from the community, espacially from you - Zefr - that you give me some constructive feedbacks. Zefr, tell me where there is a plagiarism in my text (I hope there is no) and how i could improve it, also with other literature. Lukamuel (talk) 12:55, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Lukamuel -- my suggestion would be that you read available information first on mangosteen from the online comprehensive resources used in the Article, such as Morton and Crown, to be sure the content you wish to add is not already contained in those resources. Rather than only a hard copy reference you have sourced (Osman which is not easily obtained online), the excellent online resources (Morton, Crown as examples) can be checked quickly by typical users of Wikipedia. Also keep in mind that Wikipedia intends content to be of general information value to common users, so is not a scientific journal where all details about a topic need to go into the Article; see WP:NOTJOURNAL. I found the Pests and Diseases content you posted to be far too specific and scientific, unlikely to be of interest to the general user, so inconsistent with WP:NOTJOURNAL. Because English appears not to be your first language, I do agree that you should post your content here on the Talk page first, then I or other editors can help finalize content before entering it into the Article. --Zefr (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

text:  Zefr - thank for suggestion and help. I will reduce the part 'Diseases and Pests' and try to make it easier for the typical user. For Osman et al. i could give the link to the pdf-file.
Nina.elle (talk) 08:58, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Cultivars''' 

message: The growth of the trees is retarded if the temperature is below 20°C. The ideal temperature range for growing and producing fruits is between 25°C and 35°C [1] with a relative humidity over 80% [3]. The maximal temperature is between 38–40°C, with both leaves and fruit being susceptible to scorching and sunburn [1], [3]. The minimum temperature is between 3°C and 5°C [1]. Young seedlings prefer a high level of shade and mature trees are shade-tolerant [1]. For the young trees shade protects the delicate growing points from scorching effects of the sun which are irreversible [3].
Mangosteen trees have a weak root system and prefer therefore deep, well drained soils with high moisture content. Heavy soils are reported to be tolerant. The mangosteen is not adapted to limestone soils; sandy, alluvial soils or sandy soils with low soil organic matter content [1],[2]). Often it grows on river banks [3]. The trees can grow on soils with a pH range of 5 to 7 [2] and there should be a high amount of organic matter (1.5% to 7.9% [1])
They need a well distributed rainfall over the year and a 3-5 week dry season (< 40mm/month) is tolerated [1]. If the annual rainfall is less than 1270 mm irrigation is needed during the dry season to ensure a favoured production of fruits and  a continuous growth of the tree. [1], [3]. The tree can withstand some water logging, and has a preference for a high water table of 1.2–1.5 m below the surface.
Strong wind can cause serious injuries on the leaves and branches. In an area with regularly strong wind there should be windbreakers [3].
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Reflur (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  required envrionmental conditions 

message: It looks self-published. Anyone object to its removal? --Ronz (talk) 20:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ronz -- I may be responsible for having first used this reference and populating its citation in the article because it impresses as a resource with a "farmer's insight". The author of mangosteen.com, Ian Crown, has been sought by other media for expert op-eds like this. Although I won't dispute it if you feel it should be removed, I go to the site for useful pictures and expert background, and regard it as WP:RS. --Zefr (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! How about we remove it where it is redundant, then see if we can find better sources where it is the lone reference? --Ronz (talk) 17:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine. I'll follow your lead and help with research where you feel it's needed. --Zefr (talk) 20:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mangosteen.com reliable?