Talk:Grimoire

message: Moved from mythology of demons, needing cleanup before insertion into some article:
:According to some grimoires, the demons will even warn you about their ward (their special defence against particular weapons e.g. swords). However they can never be dissuaded from fulfilling their mission. For every demon, those books describe his/her properties, looks, what he might do for someone who calls him. They also describe a ritual, curse, spell or similar to do when conjuring a demon in order to restrain him and keep him from taking over control. Some books also give specific "sigils" for individual demons that can be used to call and bind the demon. According to contemporary magicians, a sigil is a type of signature or symbol of intent. Sigils incorporated with other influences can add great direction and focus to spellwork. Sigils can be traced in air, carved on candles, drawn on paper and burned etc.
Sean Curtin 01:03, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  

message: Yeah, good catch. It seems to be more like 'greem-WAH' in the French, but that's a really subtle distinction. In English, I've only heard the first syllable stressed.
I've heard only greem-Wah. Gingermint (talk) 01:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

message: I've removed :Category:Magic and :Category:Books by type as per Wikipedia:Categorization/Categories and subcategories. They are both parent categories of :Category:Grimoires, and an article normally should not be in both a category and its subcategory. --BorgQueen 14:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: I can't see the point of this section. It just seems to be a list of trivia. The fictional representations of these books don't seem to add anything to the concept of "grimoire" that wasn't already present, apart from adding a bit of pizazz. If this section is trying to be a comprehensive list of fictional depictions, then someone's got their work cut out for them; if it's only intended to be significant contributions to the theme, then nothing so far listed seem significant.
I find the Xenosaga references particularly ridiculous. Some dried up games hacks named some characters "Grimoire Verum" and "Lemegeton" (after the books Grimoirum Verum and Lemegeton!) That's about as clever as those people who name their kids "Benson" and "Hedges"!
Anyone mind if I remove the section entirely? Fuzzypeg☻ 05:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Distill it down to the knowledge that the term is used in fantasy as well as real life, perhaps.  (A book of magic called the Book Of Gramarye is featured which is presumably a derivation of Grimoire?  Sorry, folks, if you don't know that Gramarye is another word for magic, you shouldn't be speculating here.) Goldfritha 00:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In fiction" section 

message: I quote the manual of style:
Do not use bullets if the passage reads easily using plain paragraphs or indented paragraphs. If every paragraph in a section is bulleted, it is likely that none should be bulleted.
Nothing in there about doing it because items are unrelated.  I am removing.Goldfritha 19:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists

message: I changed the IPA transcription.  Since this is the English Wikipedia, and English doesn't have the [ʁ] phoneme, whether in "grimoire" or anywhere else, I replaced the [ʁ] sound with /r/ (changing the brackets to slashes accordingly, to indicate broad transcription)--Tabun1015 05:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA transcription 

message: New material includes links to verifiable and credible sources.24.168.227.29 17:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional information

message: I am under the impression that the word "grimoire" has a much more restrictive meaning that that expressed in the article. This English word, I believe, relates specifically to a genre of magical textbooks (relating to the invocation of angels and demons and such things) that started circulating in mediaeval Europe. By this definition, a scientific work would not be a grimoire (not magic), and neither would a Babylonian work (pre-mediaeval). I don't have access to the OED here at work, but dictionary.com certainly agrees with me... Can we have some citation if there are indeed other uses for the term? Fuzzypeg☻ 02:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Righto, no-one's given an explanation, so I'll revert the article back to discuss grimoires proper, rather than technical books in general! Fuzzypeg☻ 02:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grimoires are magical books, mediaeval and later 

message: Is the aberrant spelling of "magick" somehow intentional and/or significant?  The article has both "magic" and "magick" with no clear distinction (to me, at least).  IMNSHO the generally accepted spelling "magic" should be used throughout. (I read the article about Magick after writing this, and am less certain now, but still think this should either be properly explained, or normalized to conventions of standard English.)-- era (Talk | History) 16:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking as an article writer, the use of an alternative terminology is more specifically relevant if those using it do so in representation of an oppositional philosophy. I don't know that this would apply here.  The fact that Crowley's branch uses it represents the only difference I am yet aware of.FourLights (talk) 16:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of "magick"/"magic" 

message: More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Shadows_(Charmed)#The_Grimoire Prog Nathous (talk) 18:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture section is missing a reference to Charmed (the TV series) 

message: There are dozens of footnotes to one specific text and author. I think the article would be enhanced if there wasn't such devotional attention placed on one source of information. Surely, there must be a lot of other literature on this subject. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 23:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over reliance on Davies 

message: los pasteles son echos con :mantequilla,azúcar, huevos y harina.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.210.241.195 (talk) 21:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOS PASTELES 

message: Most commonly mistaken as a Book of Shadows, a grimoire is not as personal as its counterpart and in fact, a grimoire doesn't contain any personal writings inside.
Added a [citation needed] to this claim.
The only contents found in a grimoire would be information on spells, rituals, the preparation of magical tools, and lists of ingredients and their magical correspondence. 
Added [unreliabe source?] to this as source linked is a blog by a single author and doesn't meet standards for wiki citations.
MairearadN (talk) 14:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable Claims/Sources in opening paragraph 

message: Not referenced in the article.  Just saying. ArbatelFourLights (talk) 16:05, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbatel?