Talk:Heraclius

message: I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information.  I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list.  Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article.  Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this approach as a model for the editors here.  Regards, Durova 17:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, but I'm not sure if Heraclius has ever been depicted in (modern) pop culture.  He's an important figure but from a time period that is extremely obscure to modern people. --Jfruh (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural depictions of Heraclius

message: For the argument about whether to use "Byzantine Empire" or "Roman Empire" naming standards please see Nomenclature of the Byzantine Empire -- Esemono (talk) 14:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Byzantine Empire

message: This from the article: "In the Islamic world, he is seen as something of an ideal ruler who studied the Qur'an, was a true believer of Islam, and viewed Muhammad as the true prophet, the messenger of God."  Forgive my ignorance, I have never heard of such a thing.  When and how did Heraclitus study the Koran?  I see that later in the article there are citations for the claims, but I think it's significant that there are no non-Muslim sources for such ideas.  This speaks to their credibility.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cutugno (talk • contribs) 12:15, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Heraclius' Empire was a neighbour of the growing Islamic Empire.  Copies of the Koran were in large supply especially by the Eastern Orthodox church who were investigating whether or not Muhammad was a real prophet, they decided he wasn't obviously.  As a leading scholar of Christianity its only natural he would have some copies.  The article doesn't say Heraclitus was a true Muslim it says "In the Islamic world" they said he was, big difference. -- Esemono (talk) 13:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading and writing Arabic was not so diffused at the time of Heraclius. The story about his reading Koran is a pure islamic legend, I'm afraid. --Cloj (talk) 21:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Who said anything about reading Arabic Korans?  -- Esemono (talk) 22:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is my understanding that the Koran was not written down until some 100 years after the time of the Prophet.  If so, then Heraclius did not read it. Cutugno (talk) 06:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There were copies while Muhammad was alive but the official copies weren't made until he died in 632.  Heraclius lived till 641 and he discussed religious stances with Muhammad while the man was still alive.-- Esemono (talk) 10:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am doubtful about those stories in precicely the same way as I am about claims of miraculous conversions in the European Vitae Sanctorum. It certainly deserves a mention in the text that muslim tradition portrays Heraclius as very pro-islamic, but that is as far as I would go. The notion that the caesaropapist ruler of Christianity was a very likely candidate for conversion seems straight out laughable. No offence to the readily offended, but the counterpart would be a Christian source claiming that Heraclius managed to shake Muhammad's belief in Islam by a letter and the testimony of a christian dignitary. Trigaranus (talk) 11:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A) Wikipedia isn't about the truth it's about Verifiability.  Reliable sources say (peer reviewed journals I might add) that Muslims believe Heraclius tried to convert to Islam.  B) The article totally agrees with what you say.  The article doesn't say Heraclius converted to Islam it says: "some Muslims consider him ...", "In Muslim tradition he is seen as ...", "Islamic histories even go so far as claiming...", etc.  -- Esemono (talk) 12:23, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, totally with you. I'm fine with the article, it was just a comment on what has been said here. Trigaranus (talk) 13:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

text: That's the problem with dealing with "works of God" like the Bible and Koran. Believers believe that these books are protected by God and so are direct from God's mouth and so there is no difference between the early books and the versions that exist hundreds of years later.  But you're right verifiability is paramount so I've tracked down the sources and put in what can be verified. -- Esemono (talk) 02:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Without Citation 

message: The article currently changes randomly between use of the terms Byzantine, Greek, and Roman. To those not intimately familiar with Roman history this is very confusing. I would propose
* Introduce him as the "Byzantine, or Eastern Roman, emperor".
* Decide whether or not to use Byzantine or Roman for the rest of the article and use the term consistently.
* Avoid using the national term Greek. Most modern scholars avoid the term in this context anyway and does nothing but further confuse the issue.
--192.88.165.35 (talk) 18:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "devised" typical wiki cap,  use the common word willed or left  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.38.155.134 (talk) 16:45, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Problematic terminology

message: What do you think? In classical Greek, it would be transcribed "Hērakleios" since "Ἡ"  is the rough breathing + eta (long E). Of course, later on, H, due to iotacism, was pronounced closer to I (as in Modern Greek). Right now this [English] article says "Iraklios", but corresponding articles in other languages (such as the German, French, & Spanish) say "Hērakleios"
Ll1324 (talk) 12:55, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Ἡράκλειος 

message: The illustration near the bottom of the article states that it depicts a sister of Heraclius named Epiphania, Martina's article says her mother was named Maria and that she was a sister of Heraclius, a brother is also mentioned in this article but not a lot of context is given to this rulers early life or relationship with his family. ★Trekker (talk) 12:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siblings? 

message: On Google search, born in 'Cappadocia, Turkiye'.
Herakleios Türkiye'den değildi çünkü Türkiye yoktu (Heraklius was not from TURKEY because TURKEY did not exist.)
In the article it has, born in 'Cappadocia, Byzantine Empire', so Google preview of the article and the article don't match?
Of course he was actually born in Cappadokia, Roman Empire, not the nonsense term in the article but at least it's not going full out nonsense and claiming he was born in Turkey.
Middle More Rider (talk) 10:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finding this page by Google not matching the article 

message: Cappadocians in the time of Heraclius were of Greek origin.  Why do they keep changing it? 71.190.162.55 (talk) 22:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: it is pretty much historically recognized that Heraclius was half Greek. 71.190.162.55 (talk) 22:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cappadocian 

message: why does the article insist that he was o lying Armenian but yet play cryptic when it says he was Cappadocian but not Greek Cappadocian which he really was?! 71.190.162.55 (talk) 23:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heraclius was half Greek