Talk:Evita (musical)/Archive 1

message: In what may be a controversial move, I switched pictures from the Madonna picture to the original Broadway cast recording. I thought a picture of the album that says "Evita" on it would be better than a picture of Madonna with no logo. Also, that picture of Madonna was not really from the movie but from a photoshoot with Vogue or Vanity Fair, one of the two. Anyway, I'm not interested in arguing. If it gets switched back to the Madonna picture, so be it. Dancemaster 23:18, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But the Broadway recording is no more original than the movie. For the original you surely need to refer to the concept album. -- Derek Ross | Talk 08:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Switched Pictures

message: Are you sure that the narrator is Che Guevara? From what I remember about the movie, it's just Che, a common Argentinian nickname. It's left to the spectator whether he is Guevara. -- Error
:Yes, the narrator is Che Guevara, not the literal historical character, but a literary composite inspired by him.  The corruption of the real Perons' version of "socialism" led to the radicalism of the real-life Che.  Rlquall 01:05, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Che Guevara or "Che"?

message: By the time of the Falklands War, this musical had already run on the West End for over three years.  Nearly all influential Britons were aware of, or had seen it, well before then.  Isn't it arguable that its nightly presentation of most Argentinians, including some leading ones, as a group of greedy fools, made the Thatcherite natural tendancy for the "lion to protect her own" even more inevitable than it otherwise was?  Rlquall 01:18, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. It didn't. Most Britons liked (and still like) Argentina. They blamed the Argentinian junta for the invasion rather than Argentina itself. Getting back to the musical though, I'm surprised that there's nothing about the Broadway rewrite of the London show in the main article since it seems to have been pretty significant. -- Derek Ross | Talk 08:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The West End version is the one that I've seen, not the Broadway one.  Evita doesn't seem all that sympathetic to me in it.  She must be a monster in the Broadway version.  Rlquall 12:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effect on history? 

message: Does anybody know why Eva Perón is called Evita?
* In Spanish it is common to make a diminutive of a name. For example, if your name is Rosa, one might call you "Little Rosa." In Spanish, one would append "ita" to the name and it would become "Rosita." The "ita" means "little." Hence, "Eva" becomes "Evita" or "Little Eva." 
In other words, adding "ito"/"ita" on to the end of a male/female name in Spanish, makes a nickname out of the name. "Eva" becomes "Evita." "Juana" becomes "Juanita." "Rosa" becomes "Rosita." "Juan" becomes "Juanito." "Carlos" becomes "Carlitos." "Pedro" becomes "Pedrito." Dancemaster 07:05, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Eva Perón called Evita? 

message: There were occasions where Evita in private referred to Peron as "Juancito." (Sometimes a "c" is inserted in there when it is for men.) The reason Juan Peron wasn't referred to by his nickname is because he was the president of the country. 
See, Argentina is an extremely formal country. They are very into formality and social rank. For Eva Peron to use her nickname "Evita" and to allow the public to call her that, that was a very daring and risky and endearing thing. It would be like if Nancy Reagan had encouraged people to call her "Nanny," or something. Few people in Argentina, especially people in the official/political life, use their nicknames. It's almost unheard of -- especially during that era. (Carlos Menem's wife, Zulema, referred to herself as "Zulemita," but I don't think many people liked her. Isabela Peron referred to herself as "Isabelita," but few people liked her either.) 
In other words, it was basically good politics for Eva Peron to use the name "Evita" when she was first lady. It made her seem "down home" and "of the people," which is what she claimed to be, and which is what Peronism claimed to be. 
I believe that when she was an actress she was mostly known "Eva Duarte." When she became first lady it became "Evita." Dancemaster 07:05, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: So, does anybody know why Juan Perón is not called Juanito?

message: Should it be mentioned in the article that this song appears only in the film version and is not part of the original theatrical musical?
Rlquall 04:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh-oh, you again. Are you just going to follow me around on everything I edit about Evita? Do you have any comments to make about this actual page? Talk pages usually aren't intended as places for people to give their reviews of performances. -- Andrew Parodi 01:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't see much wrong with it as it now stands.  Does it still need to be tagged?  Rlquall 12:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "You Must Love Me" 

message: The section on Che talks about asking Evita for a Jeep, and then says " Che claimed that the bicycle was never received."  What bicycle?  Zooterkin 08:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Che and the Jeep 

message: Is the musical allowed to be performed in Argentina?
There is obviously much criticism of the potrayal of Eva Peron in "Evita".
But is there a Spanish language version of the musical?
And if so is it allowed in Argentina? 04:18, August 7, 2006 193.255.230.227
Yes, both the musical and movies are allowed here. We are a democracy, you know?
In fact, the movie itself was filmed in the Casa Rosada, our government house, with the autorization of former president Menem.
There was some heavy criticism against the movie, though. --Lobizón 20:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the musical Evita allowed to be performed in Argentina? 

message: If I'm not terribly mistaken, Tim Rice was originally uncredited for this show on the concept album, causing the fallout between he and Andrew Lloyd Webber.  Am I crazy?  (Let me rephrase....)  Am I correct?  If so, shouldn't it be reflected somewhere in the article?  —  MusicMaker 07:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tim Rice credit 

message: "The stage version, "Dice are Rolling" concluded on a shorter version of the sonnet as Eva collapses due to her growing illness. (At the time her favorite food was pancakes smothered with lard served on a gravy dish.)" (Emphasis added).
I'm not sure what this has to do with the description of the altered songs or the rest of the musical. Would I cause too much controversy if I removed it? 65.95.67.170 20:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dice are Rolling" section 

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replies: text: I've added a fair use rationale to the image page. Perhaps others could take a look and see if there's anything to add? Ta. Dafyd 09:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Evitaoriginalcastrecording.jpg