Talk:Indo-Iranian languages

message: A new page with this title has just been created by User:172.203.147.132 . I'm not sure whether its separate existence is valuable. Contributers here may have their own thoughts. Aryan language (small L) already redirects to Indo-European languages. Perhaps that should become a disambiguation page. Paul B 09:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Aryan Language]]

message: CiteCop 23:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a difference between Dardic and Nuristani? 

message: The article on Grammatical gender says that most Indo-European languages have grammatical gender, but it has just occurred to me that some Iranian languages do not. Is this a widespread trait in the Indo-Iranian branch? FilipeS 16:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All indo-aryan dialects/languages have two genders masculine and feminine and the verbs,adjectives have separate declensions for singular and plural cases. In ancient times there were three genders in indo-aryan proper which were masculine,feminine and neutral. neutral case has been given up in modern indo-aryan dialects.(Usman Pakistan)
Thanks for replying, but what about Persian?... FilipeS 01:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Persian does not have grammatical gender.  According to this article, the Sorani dialect of Kurdish doesn't have grammatical gender, while Kurmanji Kurdish does.   –jonsafari 22:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While both Modern English and Modern Persian do not have grammatical gender, it should be noted that both Old English and Old Persian DID have grammatical gender.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.68.148.157 (talk) 13:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical gender in Indo-Iranian languages 

message: I think hilighting that a minority group exists in a country which speaks an Indo-Iranian language is completely unnecessary.  Since that would cover nearly every country in the world.  But someone just wanted to highlight United States?  I suggest someone just stick with "official language". 66.171.76.138 21:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary Map 

message: Sorry the merger is for the templates only. Enlil Ninlil 05:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Hello, in my opinion is the term "Iranian" absolutely false, it goes to Middle Iranian "Êran" and was in Old Iranian "ârîânam", so the pure and right word is "Arian" in English transcribed. 
We must to call this language-group "Indo-Arianian", and the iranic language group to "Arianian languages". --Meyman (talk) 19:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Meymann, updated the lemma. However, the termin Indo-Iranian is the one used in the field of linguistics today. No need to change that. Lazard employed the term irano-aryan in analogy to indo-aryan. The term is fine but still needs to catch on. To move back and call the indo-aryan family plain aryan doesn't solve any of the issues associated with the renaming persia to iran (which is what ultimately caused the problems today). linguist distinguished persian as a language of persia from iranian languages as in language families. -- Chartinael (talk) 21:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem was first started when Europeans called "Iranshahr" Persia. You know, I hate Europeans, they think they are the center of universe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.183.124.223 (talk) 19:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been two years and this racist comment is still here. Why? If someone had said something like "I hate Asians" it would have been removed pretty quickly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.166.150.53 (talk) 09:18, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term "Iranian" 

message: What does this section refer to?
 The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indian), Avestan and Old Persian (two ancient Iranian 
 languages). But there are written instances of a fourth language in Northern Mesopotamia which is considered to be Indo-Aryan. 
 They are attested in documents from the ancient empire of Mitanni and the Hittites of Anatolia.
Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni? 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we still don't know exactly what it means ... We are certain Mitanni has Indo-Aryan vocabulary attested. As there are insufficient sources it stays at that until new evidence arises. We are certain that the vocabulary is indo-aryan and not irano-aryan because of the horse-vocabulary.  So, yes possibly is superstratum. Chartinael (talk) 19:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I mostly figured that it wasn't clear enough. It would probably need clarifying. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Unclear section

message: Could someone please make a map of Indo-Iranian language spread in the region?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anooshahpour (talk • contribs) 20:04, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of spread of Indo-Iranian languages in the region 

message: http://www.iranica.com/articles/eastern-iranian-languages
In Encyclopaedia Iranica, Online Edition, 2010. "The Modern Eastern Iranian languages are even more numerous and varied. Most of them are classified as North-Eastern: Ossetic; Yaghnobi (which derives from a dialect closely related to Sogdian); the Shughni group (Shughni, Roshani, Khufi, Bartangi, Roshorvi, Sarikoli), with which Yaz-1ghulami (Sokolova 1967) and the now extinct Wanji (J. Payne in Schmitt, p. 420) are closely linked; Ishkashmi, Sanglichi, and Zebaki; Wakhi; Munji and Yidgha; and Pashto." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scythian Saka (talk • contribs) 17:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pashto is North-Eastern? 

message: bengali about 215 mil - persian about 70 - pashtu about 55 mil and so on.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld (talk • contribs) 18:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  number of speakers should be update

message: see it :https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryanic_languages&redirect=no
*Total speakers = more than 1.5 billion in 15 country = exist in text of article and map .with a total number of native speakers of more than 1471 million. add all population in text. sum of all:
Indo-Iranian consists of three groups:
    Indo-Aryan (Indic)
    Iranian (Iranic)
    Nuristani
Most of the largest languages (in terms of native speakers) are a part of the Indo-Aryan group: Hindustani (Hindi–Urdu, ~590 million[5]), Bengali (205 million[6]), Punjabi (100 million), Marathi (75 million), Gujarati (50 million), Bhojpuri (40 million), Awadhi (40 million), Maithili (35 million), Odia (35 million), Marwari (30 million), Sindhi (25 million), Rajasthani (20 million), Chhattisgarhi (18 million), Assamese (15 million), Sinhalese (16 million), Nepali (17 million), and Rangpuri (rajbanshi) (15 million). Among the Iranian branch, major languages are Persian (60 million), Pashto (ca. 50 million), Kurdish (35 million),[7] and Balochi (8 million), with a total number of native speakers of more than 1471 million. Numerous smaller languages exist.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld (talk • contribs) 19:46, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: aryan = aryan people, aryanic = aryan languages 

message: * / Total speakers = approximately about 1.5 billion in 15
* , with a total number of native speakers of more than 1471 million. 
@LouisAragon 
@Kautilya3 
why delete ? why ridiculous ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld (talk • contribs) 08:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total speakers 

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message: I'm proposing to split Template:Indo-Iranian languages into Template:Iranian languages and Template:Indo-Aryan languages. If anyone has any thoughts, you're welcome to share them at Template Talk:Indo-Iranian languages#Split template. Thanks! – Uanfala 23:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Indo-Iranian languages]] 

message: I want to reinforce renaming this article.
The  terminology used is simply racist (as can be seen by the complaints of several natives for this article and others).
"Iranian" is a denonym of the country "Iran"; not a language family nor an ethno-linguistical group. "Iranian" was used because the country was called Persia, making it impossible for misconception to arise.
But now the country is called "Iran" not Persia. It's literally the same as saying "calling a black "Negro" in 2017 is ok because it was ok 50 ago years", and yes that was specifically targeted towards most non-German scientific literature nowdays, mostly (but not only) relating to this topic seeing the arguments used.
There literally is no reason to use "Indo-Iranian", if the article itself states that "Aryan" is a correct terminology.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farraf123 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Right or wrong, we use academic and common terms. Indo-Iranian and its subgroup Iranian are the terms we see in academic and scholary sources. So you can't change the terms just because you think they are wrong. As a new user, you should read Wikipedia rules and guides before opening sections like this and this one Talk:Iranian_peoples#.22Iranian.22_is_wrong_terminology. On Wikipedia, we don't invent our own terms or don't add our own researches/opinions. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:47, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology 

message: Does this 60 million also include Dari and Tajik? It's highly unlikely. Seems to only include Farsi, but not the other two dialects.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 20:46, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Persian speakers 

message: "Aryan" is the endonym of the Indo-Iranians for describing their own ethnolinguistic group; given this information, would it be suitable to redirect "Aryan languages" to this page? Praxeria (talk) 21:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that the term is not the primary one in the Anglosphere, I do not believe that the article should be renamed; a redirect, however, would be extremely beneficial for many readers. Praxeria (talk) 21:30, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good you have noticed that it's kind of an etymological fallacy: while several modern Iranian-speaking peoples still use an ethnonym that is related to the Sanskrit आर्य (ā́rya) which is the source of English "Aryan", the term "Aryan languages" has had various meaning since the 19th century, often restricted to the Indo-Aryan languages (thus ironically to a sphere where the term had fallen out of use before British scholars reintroduced it). So there is no primary target for a redirect. I think the current disambiguation page :Aryan languages does a good job. –Austronesier (talk) 22:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the term "Aryan languages" redirect to this page?