Talk:Helena, Montana

message: The collage is not clockwise.--Manfariel (talk) 14:14, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: collage

message: Capitol image added per Wikipedia:Requested_pictures#U.S._State_Capitals. I had to re-align the other images to get good text flow. The 1870 image was moved up the page to reflect the 'History' text that it should have been with. The Capitol photo was placed at the bottom of that section, where the text refers to "Being the state capital".
The 750x186 photo  is, artistically, not that good IMHO, in that it lacks a subject (it's treetops, mountains and sky!). It could be anywhere. If it highlighted the Sleeping Giant, it might be better; or if there were some other recognizable feature (a prominent local building, for example). I left it in so as not to upset Daniel, but I really feel it should be deleted or replaced. JanesDaddy 16:22, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *What about this image of the Sleeping Giant?: :File:Sleeping Giant - Montana.jpg (I'm not wikilinking to it, obviously; it's on WikiCommons, too, so that might help) - Tim1965 (talk) 17:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem is that it doesn't look like that from Helena...no belly!  LOL!  It's too close up and hard to see the "head", plus that peak on the left isn't visible from town at all.  I suppose I could get a photo from the proper angle, but I seem to never have my camera with me when in the right place...sigh.  Montanabw(talk) 03:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

text: 550px
To the right you can see Carroll College (Montana). I believe the building just left of center is the train station. Hyacinth 09:19, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I removed David Sirota who is a totally NON-notable politcal hack with his own vanity page here. I'm not sure who added him (it was probably DS himself - that's his MO!) --JanesDaddy 21:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Residents

message: I don't really understand how a township of 25,000 could be considered a city. There are towns in New Jersey with close to 100,000 residents and they're considered townships. Does someone have clarification on the definition of "city?" Jolb
Oops, I lose. . Supposedly in Montana, anything above 10,000 people is considered a first-class city. This system is ludicrous. By that definition, the entire strip of land from Boston to Washington D.C. must be a city. Jolb
:The American West doesn't have the county/township/town/village political organization of the Northeast/New England & parts of the Midwest. We have cities & towns in counties--some of which are larger than Rhode Island & Delaware!! Actually, Helena & its surrounding area is now considered a "micropolis" according to the US Census Bureau. United States micropolitan area 
:As a DC native & former resident of 11790 now living in Montana, I would propose that the DC to Boston corridor IS quickly becoming one large population center, albeit with "edge cities" [rf. Joel Garreau's book by that name]. The urban history of the American West is a fascinating story & quite different from that of Eastern cities.  Take a trip out West & see how different things are here, west of the Hudson! 
:Patti Pagan 15:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a real city? 

message: It looks like this list is long enough that it should be changed to prose per WP:USCITY#Notable natives and residents, as that cuts down on vandalism and improves the article quality per good and featured article criteria. Hyacinth (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like this idea — not because it's bad, but because I'm just not fond of prose lists of this format.  It's definitely long; why don't we just split it off into a List of people from Helena, Montana?  Nyttend (talk) 13:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really have an opinion on having a list of famous locals in the article or split off to a list, and for formatting stuff, I figure that whatever the Wiki MOS says this week is the way to go until consensus changes on it next week (so what IS the current consensus on the use of the serial comma, anyway?? :-P  )    I tend to dislike laundry lists in general, but I see that a lot of article on geographic locations have them.  So my only horse in this race consists of commentary on if someone has a tie to this town or not.  I'll also leave the notability discussions to the notability policy.  Montanabw(talk) 18:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Change to prose

message: Why and where does this article need additional citations? Hyacinth (talk) 06:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional citations

message: Yes, it is a city; I have to chuckle at some of the Eastern comments above.
However, the city was not named after St. Helena, MN. There is no St. Helena, MN, and looking at old maps, there never was one.
The city in MT was named after Helena, MN
 http://www.montanahistory.net/placenames/indexd.htm
This is how I learned it as a kid, this is what the Montana Historical Society has verified and this is what Montana History dot Net claims. The Montana fishing
website that 'you' are using as a citation is getting this incorrect information from the tourism site. It's a common misunderstanding that there must have been
some kind of St. Helena somewhere, because the city later has/had links to Saint Helena --as in the name of the diocese/cathedral. However, the gold camp was
named after Helena, Minnesota, plain and simple. No saints.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.182.57 (talk) 15:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Montanahistory.net is also a commercial site, not an official government site.  The tourism site actually IS an Official Government Site. (Note linking from http://mt.gov/tourism/travel.asp )  Doesn't mean it can't be wrong, but it's at least official. The City has not provided a history page on their web site, and the Montana Historical Society also has not deigned to put this material up on the web.  But I can go and check some hardcopy sources locally and see what's what (computer is at work, the books are home or over at the library, will be a few days).  I'll grant the possibility they are talking about what today is the Helena, MN township, but until I can find something one way or the other, what's on the government site probably needs to stay here for the interim.  If it's a barrier, we can toss the fishing site.  Montanabw(talk) 17:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It took me a bit to actually go dig out the books, had you a bit more patience and less arrogance, and now I have your answer and will tweak the site accordingly. The book I have here still may not have the full scoop (Though the correct answer is probably "all of the above.")  But as far as WP:V goes, your favorite site is commercial, the guy is a consultant, not a historian.  I have never said the tourism site is necessarily correct, (even the local tour guides stretch the local legends a bit) just that it has an official stamp that the other lacks.  And gee, I'm only a fourth-generation Montanan, which includes 20 years in Helena and one set of grandparents who lived most of their life in Clancy, so I'll meet your bet and raise ya one. If you aren't happy with the changes, then give me a couple of weeks to have a minute to run to the library.  Montanabw(talk) 07:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of the City's Name

message: I am just wondering does the introductory paragraph of this page really seem like the right place for the sports teams to be listed. This is the capital city of the fourth largest state in the union and a couple of minor league teams are the most important things about the city? I find that hard to believe!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sara goth (talk • contribs) 18:15, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole article is pretty weak, the lead should reflect the content of the overall article, I don' mind if you want to fix that and put the sports stuff into its own section elsewhere.  Go for it!  Montanabw(talk) 22:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

text: That's pretty rude, Sara. State government workers are constantly asked to do more and more with less and less, then put up with accusations of not working. And no, I don't work for the state any more; I make more money and get to spend more time on WP in the private sector.  Montanabw(talk) 00:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introductory paragraph 

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replies: text: I think that the reference errors that this bot was trying to refer to on this page have been fixed now. Guy1890 (talk) 02:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That IS weird, do we have a rogue bot at work???  Montanabw(talk) 01:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Helena, Montana]] 

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message: I'm wondering why there is no mention of Fort William Henry Harrison on this page, not even in the economy section. Fort Harrison and the VA hospital are both prominent figures in the community. I would like to add a mention of this somewhere, with a link to the Fort Harrison article, but I'm open to suggestion as to where to place it. Any suggestions before I proceed?Pistongrinder (talk) 23:23, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think  Fort Harrison is technically outside the city limits, but even the Lewis and Clark County, Montana page only has the most peripheral of mentions.  I suggest adding it to both articles, in this one, a brief paragraph in the "Economy" section would probably work, and in the L&C Co one, the whole article is so scant it sucks, so it's your call there!  I've got both watchlisted, so will trot by and peek at your edits, but I agree with your views that these should be mentioned.  Montanabw(talk) 04:07, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and from the Fort Harrison article, I see that the cemetery is a redlink, you could even create that as a separate article.  Montanabw(talk) 04:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input. I just added a paragraph to the "Economy" section. See what you think. As for the L&C County article: Yikes! I agree it could use a lot of work, but I think it's more than I can handle right now. Baby steps, I guess.Pistongrinder (talk) 17:31, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: I removed a claim that it has snowed in every month, which was linked to the front page of a NOAA site which may or may not have snow data in it somewhere.  I replaced it with a link to a DRI data page showing that it has snowed in June and August, but never in July.  Given that the record low temperature for July is 36F, the claim that it has snowed in July is almost certainly false.  But hiding it behind a general-purpose weather page makes it difficult or impossible to find out if there ever was such a claim in the original source.  So I think what's best is to just report what the data says directly. —Soap— 17:19, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
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message: :I think we should probably add some extra standalone articles of cemataries in the city and then link them back to this article. I live in Helena so i could go do some research if needed64.124.121.175 (talk) 15:37, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cemataries 

message: Howdy folks, just removed the image of the purported flag of Helena; I cannot find any official record of the flag ever being officially adopted by the city council, nor can I find images of it flying outside of the Montana State Capitol or anywhere, for that matter. The "flag" is being sold by various flag websites but the city code makes no reference to it at all. If anyone feels like sleuthing and definitively proving that this is, indeed, the official flag of Helena, MT, feel free to let me know and I will restore it. JohnHawkinsBois (talk) 15:12, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Flag of Helena