Talk:Oda Nobunaga

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message: The portrait of Oda 'by Giovanni Niccolò' merits further investigation. It's pretty clearly not an Edo/Renaissance period portrait; from what I can tell from the full version on the Yamagata Prefecture website, the image currently on Wikipedia is, perhaps, a Meiji-era photograph of a charcoal sketch or grisaille underpainting. I would also buy that it's simply a Meiji-era portrait photograph of a contemporary man. The subject does seem to be wearing his hair in a chonmage style quite similar to the one in the painted portrait by Kano Soshu, which would have been less in fashion by the Meiji era. There's a more complete version of the portrait on that site which shows a clear vignette effect around his bust; there's a suggestion of strokes of charcoal but they could just be caused by shadows if it is a photograph.
English sources don't have much to say about this portrait other than what the current Wikipedia caption already says, and I don't speak Japanese, but as far as I can tell the claim on the Yamagata website is that the original portrait is housed by Sampo-Ji Temple in Tendo City (which is the information given by the current caption, just spelled differently). The claim is that the portrait was commissioned after his death by Oda Nobunaga's son Nobukatsu, and the artist may have been Giovanni Niccolò or may have been an unrelated Portuguese missionary. It's not impossible that this is in fact the case, but the fashion in Renaissance portraiture was just so different from the style exhibited here that I think it's worth investigation - ideally by an actual Japanese art historian.
This video (feat. Ken Watanabe!) from a 2001 episode of Do You Really Know About It?! seems to feature some discussion of the portrait itself. Magpieras (talk) 23:50, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Niccolò Portrait 

message: A black and white photograph is shewn as being a 16th century portrait. 
The claim is that it is a Portrait of Oda Nobunaga (1534–1582) by Giovanni_Niccolò.
It is most certainly fake. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga#/media/File:Oda Nobunaga Portrait Sanpoji Temple c1582-1586.jpg
--MythicalAlien (talk) 18:54, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake Portrait 

message: In the "Honnō-ji incident" section, the temple was set on fire by Nobunaga's retainer at Nobunaga's request so that Nobunaga's attacking enemies could not recover his body after he committed seppuku.
In the "Historical context" section, the temple was set on fire by Nobunaga's treacherous retainers and Nobunaga committed seppuku to escape the flames.
Can the inconsistency between these accounts be resolved?
Dieter.Meinertzhagen (talk) 04:35, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role of fire in the death of Nobunaga 

message: What is the significance of showing both Old and New Style dates? The Gregorian Calendar (which the Japanese didn't even adopt until over 3 centuries later) did not come into existence until October 1582, which was after Oda's death. The Gregorian Calendar was NOT retroactive, so converting from Julian to Gregorian for any event before October 1582 is meaningless. 
But if there is some rational reason for showing the conversion for his birth date, why not also for his death date?  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 07:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth date query

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message: This article has a fair few examples of describing something as a 'literal translation' when the translation isn't literal. For example, '(三日天下, lit. 'a short-lived reign') literally means 'a three-day reign'. (槍衾, lit. 'line of spears') literally means a bed of spears. (一銭斬り, lit. 'Cutting people for a penny') literally means 'killing for one-hundredth of a yen'. Not a big deal but it felt strange to see idiomatic translations presented as literal. I think the literal translation may be more interesting to a reader. 133.106.177.57 (talk) 23:51, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I will add that the reason I'm not editing it myself is that I'm not sure how the topic of translations is supposed to be  handled properly. Otherwise I would. :) 133.106.177.57 (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misuse of 'literal translation' 

message: Hello,
I'm new to Wikipedia: I subscribed just to correct the mistake about the "fool of Owari". Nobunaga's nickname is attributed to the book The Making of Modern Japan (page 11). Actually, I have the book under my eyes and - as you can check - there is no such mention at all.
The mention should be removed. Akaranami (talk) 18:28, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fool of Owari" 

message: Given Oda's likely homosexuality, is it unlikely his instant attraction to the large, strapping young Yasuke was homosexual? RepeatedNodger (talk) 23:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible. Unfortunately, we are not permitted to speculate. Wikipedia editors should avoid doing their own original research. Otherwise this place would turn into a blog real quick! Riposte97 (talk) 00:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was he in a relationship with Yasuke?