Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 2

message: Are all state highways notable enough for an article?  I'm thinking specifically in terms of the number of articles that could be added to List of Minnesota state highways.  For example, Minnesota State Highway 210 is notable because it traverses nearly the entire state of Minnesota.  On the other hand, Minnesota State Highway 289 is less than a mile long, and just a short connector from Minnesota State Highway 73 to a state prison.  I don't want to create a bunch of articles just to create roadcruft that'll go to WP:AFD.  So, are there any standards in place?  --Elkman - (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer is, no, not really. :-) If you're starting from scratch, it's wise to have each article stand on its own. Maybe have a separate section header in your list for short highway entries, and give the one-sentence description for each. How does a section entitled "Highways less than two miles in length" sound? —Rob (talk) 20:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the precedent at AFD is that if a highway is important enough that the DOT bothered to assign it a number, it can have an article. Extremely short highways are a curiosity (we have a whole :Category:State highways shorter than one mile). ...Scott5114 22:27, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precedents. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability standards for state highways 

message: There is a stub, along with a whole mess of redirects at Farm to Market Road that speaks about this sort of road fairly generally, but using the specific example of Texas, which is covered in more depth at Texas ranch to market road.  Does another state support RM and FM roads like Texas?  Iowa's DOT talks about it, a little.  Someone from there listening, and able to chime in? My plan, if there is a need for this, will be to put links to specific systems on the more general page as they crop up, and try to flesh that page out a little (or should that go to a disambiguation pointing at the various systems?)  If not, wouldn't they be duplicates, and suggestible for AfD?
In another vein, TxDOT's designation for the system is the Farm to Market Road system, so unless someone just has fits over it, I'm thinking to swap the Texas ranch to market road and the redirect to it at Texas farm to market road.  Even west of US 281, a great many of these are signed "Farm Road", including the one I live on.  They are much more commonly known as FM roads by residents of Texas.  Any thoughts? --DavidBavousett 03:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Farm to Market Roads

message: Any one interested in joining me with setting up a Utah Highways Wikiproject? Admrb♉ltz (T | C | k) 20:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll help set up (whenever the madness settles down). --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  20:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool; asked SPUI for route markers, but we can't find specs for them. Admrb♉ltz (T | C | k) 21:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can find one at List of highway shields in the United States.  As far as fonts are concerned, you can probably find the correct font at the Roadgeek fonts site.  "Series D" seems to be the correct one for Minnesota state highways, though I don't know if that's exactly what they use in Utah.  You might have to experiment a bit.  --Elkman - (talk) 21:54, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I would make the page but theres an ongoing debate (on the list page) for names, and I know User:SPUI will go in and rename them State Route X (Utah)... Admrb♉ltz (T | C) 05:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utah Wikiproject 

message: Anyone else interested in an Ohio roads wikiproject? Micheal 04:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I've offered above I help a bit with each roads WikiProject... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  04:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ohio State Highways WikiProject - Micheal 03:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've started contributing.Seicer 21:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject for Ohio? 

message: I keep running into the ends of these state highways/routes/roads/whatever at Wikipedia:WikiProject Illinois State Routes :-). I'd start these projects, but I have very little to no knowledge of any highways in these states. Feel free to copy the Illinois WP structure and make it your own, though. 
As an aside, I believe they are now Indiana State Roads, Wisconsin State Trunk Highways (which I shorten to Wisconsin State Highway), Iowa... something... and Illinois Routes. Oh goody. I just want more than just me to confirm the other states. —Rob (talk) 12:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe there is already a group of people working on the Iowa roads, just not organized into a WikiProject yet. Also, a lot of highways in Indiana higher than 400 have entries at Indiana state highways; if you need an article on a highway you could check to see if it's there and if so, split it off. ...Scott5114 21:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be willing to help with Iowa. --Station Attendant 00:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for WPs: Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana 

message: I don't know if this is widely known, but if you're developing infobox code, there's now something you can use for that kilometers field. Here's what I did for the Illinois state routes:
|  miles ( km)
#expr: allows you to calculate numbers on the fly. It's rounded off to hundreths of a kilometer because that's the most precise field that Illinois can give us on GIS data, even if I still do most of my calculations using whole numbers on an atlas. —Rob (talk) 17:09, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad idea - this gives false precision. --SPUI (T - C) 22:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calculate kilometer fields... 

message: Anyone possibly interested in helping out with a Georgia WikiProject?  A fair number of pages have already been started, but a lot of them could use some fleshing out and there are still plenty that haven't been covered yet.  What with the end of my semester approaching, I should soon find myself with a lot of time on my hands to get this thing going... –Pedriana 17:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll help if I get a chance... go ahead and start it if you want. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  23:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I was actually just about to get it going in a couple of days anyway.  Currently working on getting the basic infrastructure in place; should be ready to go this week. –Pedriana 00:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And we are live! –Pedriana 02:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georgia WP? 

message: This topic just came up on the roadgeek list, and I don't necessarily have the time to track down all of the information on the FHWA page. Can someone expand Clearview (typeface) further? Thanks. Clearview is a proposed, recently approved new font for road signs in the U.S. —Rob (talk) 17:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for expansion: [[Clearview (typeface)]] 

message: We should list Interstate 5...980.svg shields for deletion. They've been supplanted by I-5..980.svg... right? At the very least, bot should rename all Interstate 5..980.svg shields to I-5..980.svg shields, in spite of thumbnail problems. —Rob (talk) 16:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose so, but we need to try to fix the thumbnail problems as we go (it's just a matter of purging from Commons and hard-refreshing pages that use the image until it works). Also, you'd have to list them for deletion at Commons, rather than here. ...Scott5114 21:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: * All right. I'll probably wait until infamous bug 5463 gets fixed sometime in the next decade. —Rob (talk) 22:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that the SVG bug is fixed, we should really get a bot to replace all of the old "Interstate X" shields with the new "I-X" shields. --TMF T - C 04:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old SVG shields for deletion? 

message: For interested parties and courtesy of the roadgeek list, the Illinois Tollway has put up a survey for what sorts of signs would work best on their toll plazas. The link is here. 
The tollway currently uses black text on white signs for overhead gantries related to toll plazas. They replaced black text on yellow signs, which, as warning signs, worked... but I don't know of any white signs like that anywhere else (haven't thought very hard). —Rob (talk) 02:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FYI -- Illinois Tollway sign survey 

message: I have been working on articles for Nevada state routes, such as creating stubs and adding infoboxes to existing articles.  However, I recently noticed that a few existing articles were copyvios.  The source for the articles I'm working on is NevadaDOT which is public domain, but the copyvio articles originally came from AARoads.com, word for word, submitted by an anonymous editor.  If anyone could help me with these Nevada highway articles, that would be great.  (I thank :User:Vegaswikian for his efforts.)  I also wish to create the Interstate 80 in Nevada article (it's currently a redirect to Interstate 80 for now.)  --Geopgeop 03:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevada DOT is not public domain. Of course you can still use it as a reference, but not as a source to copy from. --SPUI (T - C) 22:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, jeez... I made a bad assumption.  On that note, why is California's website in the public domain, as on its conditions of use page, but not the other states? --Geopgeop 01:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Special laws in California, presumably. --SPUI (T - C) 02:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, that was fixed.  Thanks to admin Kcordina. --Geopgeop 22:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, shields are pending as of today, as I received the design from NevadaDOT and sent it to SPUI for image creation. --Geopgeop 22:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I decided that I would create the Nevada shields myself (err, with help from NevadaDOT, oh you know what I mean).  --Geopgeop 07:10, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Wow, that's quite a difference.  I was away for a while, and now I see quite an addition to the list.  I guess I'll put up shields on these new article pages then.  --Geopgeop 05:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nevada state routes 

message: I will make maps on request, if you can point me to a source that shows exactly where the routes run (or I know of one). --SPUI (T - C) 22:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the entire length of Interstate 465 qualifies, especially if/when they figure out the Interstate 69 SW extension. —Rob (talk) 16:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm - not a bad idea. Is everything well-defined? --SPUI (T - C) 16:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems everything is defined -  has information on all and photographical proof of most. I've added an exit list and the concurrencies to Interstate 465. --SPUI (T - C) 01:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  haha out of my own curiosity, do they actually sign them with all the markers? I would imagine not, but I don't think I'd be surprised if they did. Stratosphere 02:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really - most of the signs are at the entrances, saying "US 31 north use I-465 to exit X". --SPUI (T - C) 03:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Got any clusterfucks?

message: Might as well advertise this here - I'm proposing to move the disambiguation paces like Route 1 to list of highways numbered 1. --SPUI (T - C) 18:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation]]

message: OK, considering that Tennessee, the state with some of the nation's best maintained and highest quality roads, or so I'm told, has no official State Route Wikiproject, I would like to try and start one. I know there is a basic framework already established, but any advice, or resources, or just generalinput would definitely be appreciated. Thanks. --Antjon1 05:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tennessee State Routes Project 

message: Okay, I gave the website 3 months to be relevant. Time's up. I need all mentions of Illinois Highways to leave. Most of it is obvious, or has been mentioned in other, better places. The images look like they were taken straight from here or possibly the commons themselves (which isn't in itself bad, but it's acting as a mirror of other sources). It's not a good external link. It's not a good source.
Is there a bot out there that can do this for me? —Rob (talk) 21:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: About how many pages are talking about? I'd be willing to help out in doing this manually. Nothing like doing repetitive, mindless tasks to pass the time :) --Polaron | Talk 21:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: All done. Now you just need to prevent such links from creeping back in. Cheers. --Polaron | Talk 22:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much! I'll keep track of it and revert it as linkspam if it comes up again. —Rob (talk) 01:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing a link from hundreds of pages... 

message: None of these items deserves their own section, but as a whole if you have some input, I'd be glad to hear it.
# Reassurance shield has been started, and is a road-stub at the moment.
# List of County Highways in DuPage County, Illinois has been started. Not a single county highway deserves its own article, and those that do... are bike paths [shrugs].
# Do we have county highway SVG templates? The list probably will end up with some shields on it because it's a table and some Illinois routes are in the table, but that's all I can come up with for now.
::Well, that should be relatively easy to do for anyone who knows Photoshop.  With the possible exception of Wisconsin which has square lettered county route shields, most county routes throughout the country use yellow letters/numbers on a purple pentagonal shield... NAME OF COUNTY at the top, then the route number, then COUNTY on the bottom.  In Canada (or at least in Ontario), county or regional municipality routes use a white flowerpot-shaped (upside-down trapezoid) shield. --Tckma 21:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if Photoshop has the capability to create SVGs. I don't think it does, but I could be wrong. If it doesn't, there's always Inkscape (which I use for all of my SVGs). --TMF T - C 21:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Photoshop doesn't, but Illustrator does. --master_sonLets talk 12:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: For number 3, see here. --TMF T - C 20:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Fireworks doesn't open SVG files. Oh well. Any volunteers? It isn't crucial. :-) —Rob (talk) 22:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been making a number of county road shields for Suffolk County in New York lately, so I can make a few for Illinois' DuPage County as well if needed. --TMF T - C 22:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure if you don't mind. I only ask because I think 50px shields would help the article be more than just text. Thanks! —Rob (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have one question about how the county name is displayed on the route shields because of the capital "P" in the word "DuPage". Does it appear as "DuPAGE", "DUPAGE", "DU PAGE", or "Du PAGE"? (that's every variant I can think of) --TMF T - C 21:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, two words. See . —Rob (talk) 03:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: CRs 1 through 10 are done. They are found in the form "DuPage County Route X IL.svg" (when I uploaded them to Commons, I noticed that shields for DuPage county already exist; however, the existing ones are incorrect both in name (they use "Dupage" instead of "DuPage" in the file name) and in appearance (DuPage is one word on those), so I will be replacing all of them over time). --TMF T - C 04:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks excellent. You can click on the redlinks in the article to upload them as you have time - figured it'd save you a step or two. Thanks a lot! —Rob (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the shields are now in place. --TMF T - C 06:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: For number 1, there's also Reassurance marker.  I'll add a merge request. --Tckma 19:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was an easy merge to perform, so I went and did it. —Rob (talk) 20:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tidbits 

message: Can someone fill in Connecticut in this graphic?  We've started WP:CTRT for it.
:Done. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  19:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.  --Tckma 20:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Map of USA SH WPs.png

message: Should we sign up for User:Werdnabot for all the state hwy WP talk pages? And say archive all stuff older than 60 days? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  23:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the more active ones you could. Oklahoma still doesn't have anything on it's talkpage, so we don't really need the archival service yet :) —Scott5114↗ 05:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So probably CA, NY, WA, IH, USH, USRD for now. Any others? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really seeing much talk page activity over at WP:ILSR. It would be useful to tag talk pages with Template:Illinois State Routes WikiProject though... the ones I've missed. —Rob (talk) 19:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I have no problems with using Werdnabot for the NY project (as I've been doing the archiving for it manually for some time now). We could probably use the auto-archival bot at the PA project as well. --TMF T - C 05:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving

message: I don't know what the technical term for this part of the page is, but I could use some suggestions on Template:Chicagoland expressways. It generally goes on the bottom of all of the articles contained within the template. Thanks in advance! —Rob (talk) 19:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template review... 

message: See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains/Maps_task_force.
Seeing as I doubt User:Stratosphere will be doing maps for all kinds of routes for all 50 states and the District of Columbia, this may not be a bad thing to create. That way if ever concerns about maps or adjustments need to be made, they can all be located there. —Rob (talk) 19:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That might not be a bad idea for state routes.  Interstates and U.S. Highways already have maps on their articles, after all.  I'd be more than willing to help out creating maps if someone could show me how to do it. --Tckma 20:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be interested as well if something like a maps task force was made for this project. --TMF T - C 22:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  For the right sum of money, I'd do it :P  In all seriousness, yes this is a good idea. A centralized location for all map inquiries would be a valuable asset. Stratosphere (U T) 02:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, this page has been created. Obviously content and organization is lacking, but every page has to start somewhere, and fortunately everything on Wikpiedia is licensed under the GFDL. :-) See Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Maps task force. I will be proceeding based on the assumption that all current and future road maps in the U.S. will want to be accounted for under this task force. —Rob (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps task force? 

message: Rather than necessarily having 50 descendant wikiprojects (or more, if we end up with Wikiprojects for non-"state highways" in some states, as already is the case for CA), have you considered a similar structure to that used by WP:MILHIST, i.e. a single wikiproject, with a locally hierarchical organisation?  Just a thought.  Alai 23:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't you seen the mess at the state road naming convention poll? Based on that, there is no way in the world that a single WP would work across the entire country. --TMF T - C 03:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talking of task forces... 

message: Since the Massachusetts Turnpike article is not under the jurisdiction of WP:MASH, I figured I'd comment here as well.  On the talk page, I suggested some sections to be added to the article.  I can take care of one of them after this weekend, I think. -- Tckma 18:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass Pike 

message: For those who haven't noticed, a list of redirect lists has been set up at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Redirects. I tried to point the links at the existing redirect completion lists for each project, but if your project has one and I missed it, fix it up. —Scott5114↗ 18:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect lists 

message: I'd have thought a "state highway" was something that had "State Highway Farble" or "Route Hoohah" as/in its name, but I may be sadly misinformed here.  For example, this edit confuses me:  interstate highways are state highways?  And what about Texas Farm Roads, are they "Texas state highways"?  Alai 00:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah boy. Signed and unsigned state highways are state highways. Texas farm Roads are a secondary type of state highway. Some states refer to Interstate highways as state highways, but in discussions we've decided that for most Wikipedia purposes they are not. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  00:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so the Texas ones are probably correct.  On the Wisconsins, it's going to be rather confusing to apply per-state understandings as to what a federal project (as I assume they are) is....  Alai 01:21, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Texas Farm to Market Roads are state highways; they are fully funded by the state and maintained by TXDOT.  --Holderca1 16:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Interstate and U.S. Highways are maintained in the states they run through by those states' highway departments, they just receive federal funding to do so.  Thus, some states refer to them as "state highways."  However, in my opinion, they are not "state highways" for Wikipedia purposes. -- Tckma 18:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The simplest and most general definition of a state highway is a highway maintained by a state government agency. Note that numbered highways and state highways do not always coincide. Some states have hierarchies of state highways and it is common to also refer to primary state highways only when talking about state highways. --Polaron | Talk 01:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is and isn't a "state highway", for categorisation purposes? 

message: Just in case you miss it, Interstate 10 in Texas is on the main page under the "Did You Know?" section for new articles.  Hopefully this will get things going in a post-naming controversy WikiProject.  --Holderca1 19:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did You Know? 

message: Just a heads-up...Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minnesota State Highway 91. Kirjtc2 21:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Minnesota State Highway 91]] nominated for deletion

message: I found the RI State Route Sign Specs. See Talk:Numbered_routes_in_Rhode_Island#State_Sign_Specs. --  xxpor (  Talk |  Contribs ) 02:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RI State Route Sign Specs 

message: Hi, I created a SVG for the Minnesota State Route Marker. The colors should be right, an also the aspect ratios. Since I'm not from the U.S. I'm not too keen on making a SVG for every PNG Image out there ... but, if anyone neads help, drop me a line @ de:Benutzer:Ucc.
In the commons I added a new category (commons:Category:Minnesota_State_Route_markers) an I allready created a marker for Route 62: 
--217.224.143.117 19:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be good to take to WP:MNSH. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  03:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, posted it there --ucc 10:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minnesota State Route Marker 

message: Why not have a project for roads outside the continious 48 states? Since Hawaii, Alaska, and all those other territories/islands/commonwealths/whatevers  don't (in my opinion) have enough roads in themselves to really justify there own projects, then why not have one for all of them?
:Puerto Rico, Alaska, and Hawaii can start their own projects. As for the other territories, there are no articles for them, so I don't think it's a big deal now. In the future we can address that question, but we have the continental U.S. to worry about first. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  20:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  An idea... 

message: This may be nothing more than a passing thought, but should there be a WikiProject that manages all of the former New England Interstate Routes? Since the articles on these transcend state lines, no one state WikiProject is truly able to regulate these articles, resulting in the wide variation that currently exists from one article to the next. Thoughts? --TMF T - C 00:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything, they should be broken up by state, with appropriate links to "follow" the highway. The idea that their Wikipedia status should be determined by a numbering system that hasn't existed in 80 years is absurd. Kirjtc2 00:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: There are really only about 10 articles that might be amenable to a merged article so a full WikiProject is probably not necessary. Why not just incorporate all the components required by affected WikiProjects into each article? --Polaron | Talk 00:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All good points. Here's another thought: the New England articles were formulated because the present-day routes that were part of the old NE routes had articles of stub length, right? Now that most, if not all, of the New England routes have WikiProjects, I think that if the NE articles were de-merged, then each route could now stand on its own as an individual article with the necessary expansion. I'm not suggesting that we abolish the NE articles, but rather, make them a portal of the routes that make up the NE route, like Interstate 95 is a portal for the "Interstate 95 in X" series. --TMF T - C 19:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If the individual state highway article has enough content that it is no longer a stub, then it can be made split off like what is done for U.S. Highways and Interstate Highways. See New England Route 8 for example where Connecticut Route 8 has its own article. --Polaron | Talk 20:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Has there been a WikiProject created for this?  --myselfalso 12:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus above did not warrant a WikiProject, so there was never one created. Instead, the decision was to make new state-specific articles and make the NE articles "portal pages". --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 15:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP for the NE Interstate Routes? 

message: Should we create another subproject (like Maps and Assessment) for Shields? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  03:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That could be a good idea, as it'd make searching for sign specs easier because, ideally, you'd have every shield maker on Wikipedia in one place. I wouldn't be opposed to it (and I would join it if it existed). --TMF T - C 12:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Ditto.  Now that I just got the hang of SVG editing, I think it would be useful. --•  master_sonLets talk 06:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So, was this subproject created?  --myselfalso 12:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not from my understanding, but I can whip it up when I get home later today. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 15:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs a little work, but the subproject has been created. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shields

message: Hi, Geopgeop here.  I just took somewhat of a wikibreak in doing the Nevada shields on Commons: my laptop where I keep the template images is down; I finally extracted them from its hard drive just recently.  Anyways, reading the uploading procedure for Commons, and not having been on there in a while, it seems they want permissions requests done in email and forwarded to Wikimedia, when what I did was talk over the phone with an employee of NevadaDOT.  I'd like these permissions reaffirmed (I got the design from NevadaDOT directly by email).  Can someone please do this for me?  I'll give the email address of the NevadaDOT contact, just tell them Geopgeop asked. --Geopgeop 11:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just so you're aware, shield stuff is now at WP:USRD/S. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  02:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nevada shields 

message: I'm openly calling out for a WikiProject for South Carolina State Highways. Who wants to start one? You'd better not ask me, because I don't know enough about them, but I'm willing to contribute anyway. DanTD 20:05, 19 October 2006 (EST)
:I'll put a notice on the notice template... anyone know of any other major contributors? Although you can always a) start it and wait or b) wait and then start it. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  02:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Carolina State Highways request 

message: Okay, so it's pretty much safe to say that we've made it through the WP:SRNC mess somewhat intact. Unfortunately, we have lost users. Which was probably inevitable as there would have been some who would have left no matter which way the poll went. But anyway... the problems this bring are a) of course they're part of our team and we'll miss them and b) there is now a vacuum as they performed jobs that now are going undone.
So I'm suggesting a) being nice to these users if they return, b) us stepping up to perform the tasks that they did and c) recruit new users. By using stuff like  to make new contributors feel included and connected. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  03:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recovery

message: The numbered highway list articles have two articles : List of highways numbered 155 and Route 155, and it is like that for many of them, should there be two? and if not, maybe one should be redirected to the other. I address this here for you guys work on the highways in the US and are more aware of what to do about that. Lincher 21:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still have to look at that. The user who was working on that just left and there was a lot of stuff that he did that we all have to pick up. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  06:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Here's my take: only one article should exist, and it should be "List of highways numbered 155". To use Route 155 as the disambiguation page is just plain wrong for some states, but there's no harm at all to have "Route 155" redirect to "List of highways numbered 155". --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 13:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've added shields for Virginia, and I think it can be useful on a page like that, where different types of highways are being shown. On a list of highways in a state, where they all use the same shield, it is probably not useful, but on a disambiguation page it might help someone find the article they want. --NE2 21:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List duplication 

message: If anybody has any free time on their hands... I'm tied up with all my tasks plus having to assume other ones that departed users did... and meanwhile we keep losing templates to TFD like ... could someone be monitoring those venues? I usually do that but I just don't have the time anymore. I have 2000 edits on my to do list... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  06:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't believe that the I-16 template was deleted without warning, although after the comments made at Deletion Review regarding the I-H1 template, I'm not surprised. But yes, now that something like this has happened, I'll start checking WP:AFD, WP:TFD, etc. on a daily basis. Hopefully other users will join me in doing so. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 13:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it was nom'ed by an anon IP and had 1 support vote... we probably should DRV it again. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  17:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This is the template that was used at , right? If so, what was its point? --NE2 21:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Consistent look and feel for all Interstates per WP:IH. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  21:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If that was the only reason to have it, I agree with its deletion. --NE2 21:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The point here is that we should have been alerted. An IP nom and one support vote is not consensus for deletion. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  21:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I've seen stated before at WP:DRV, there is no requirement to notify WikiProject participants of a deletion. --NE2 21:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I'm saying we need someone to monitor those pages to make sure no highway things get deleted. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  21:38, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overwhelmed

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 22:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: We need to create a tutorial page on how to write and edit highway articles. We have way too many new users messing up pages and not following WP:MOS or this project and subprojects. This is taking too much time away from stuff that needs to get done (like moving those pages).
Also, could someone review the edits of User:Odyssey19? They have made hundreds of edits that have deleted the prose of the Nevada State Route articles. However, you can't rollback, as they did add an infobox too. I would do it but I have a to-do list of at least 5000 or so edits... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 21:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No arguments here when it comes to the need for a tutorial page. The main question would be where to put it? One possibility could be the state highway Manual of Style, or we could draw up a completely new page. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 01:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New user problems

message: At the bottom of U.S. Route 6's article page, there is a browse box.  Nevada's part of the browse box is off, as it uses srbox instead of .   exists, but is not yet set up like the other states, like  or .  Please check and fix for consistency. --Geopgeop 23:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can take care of this sometime this week. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, let me know if problems exist. Also many of the NV articles are ifoboxless and have the older template. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  browse box 

message: Do we feel that Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-14 U.S. Roads naming fallout is necessary? Is there enough goodwill? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 23:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediation?

message: Recent changes in the way the assessment log table is constructed has expanded the template itself and has made pages where the template is transcluded a mess. Would anyone object to the removal of the assessment table from the sidebar template? --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to be bold and replace the table with a wikilink pointing to the table instead. If someone wants to revert or discuss this later, that's perfectly fine. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Project U.S. Roads and the assessment table 

message: Especially in the case of Wisconsin, there seem to be many articles about highways that pass through a state seperate from the main article, such as U.S. Route 10 in Wisconsin. Should these not be merged into the main article about that highway?(U.S. Route 10) This seems very redundant and it would make more sense to put all that info in the main article. Discuss? Dskluz 05:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're currently allowed for Interstate/ US Route articles. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The recent trend has been to move info into state-specific detail articles for lengthy Interstates and U.S. highways, one that I agree with. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 05:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I originally was against this, but it does make more sense, as long as we don't get Interstate 95 in District of Columbia. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - The purpose of these sub-articles is to keep the parents from getting exceedingly long. --•  master_sonLets talk 17:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clearing that up. I'll follow this consensus although I don't completely agree. -- Dskluz 21:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-articles by state for highways? 

message: Just to give two examples, Iowa Highway 92 has 1 going across the bottom, which is listed when you edit it as RouteboxIA and Iowa Highway 175 has one in the upper right which is listed as Infobox road.  Which one is proper? DandyDan2007 13:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The one on the right is what's typically used. I've never seen one that goes across the bottom before...which is a bad place for it, as the infobox information generally needs to be at the top of an article, where it can be read first.—Scott5114↗ 15:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That is a lot of text in the route description for IA 92... may I suggest third-level headings to break it up (West Iowa/East Iowa or city-to-city) a bit? Just a suggestion. —Rob (talk) 22:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iowa has two different route templates 

message: It doesn't appear a project for Nebraska is happening.  I'd be interested in doing it, but it just looks so huge.  I only ask about Nebraska because I live there.  I could also do some for other nearby states as well. DandyDan2007 13:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically... duplicate a project page, create all the templates, and there you go. I can help if you wish (I've never been to NE though). --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I'm not from Nebraska, I've started WikiProject Nebraska Highways, and there's a lot to do. Could use the help of anyone willing. -- Dskluz 03:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Nebraska Highways|WikiProject Nebraska Highways]] 

message: On my personal sandbox tailored for template construction, I am currently in the process of creating a new sub-template of  with some attributes tailored for Intrastate Interstates.  Right now, it is an absolute disaster with the sample infobox, but should not look like that once I (or somebody else) gets the juices flowing.  Comments are appreciated in this section. V60 02:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And why is this necessary again? --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 02:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. This is simply not needed. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New {{tl|Infobox Interstate}} sub-template work in progress 

message: It seems to me that half of the posts I see on route article talk pages are along the lines of "How long does it take to get from A to B" or "Really? I  thought that it was the other way around..." Frankly it's starting to get annoying. There's a reference desk for that sort of thing. But what do we do about it though? We can't slap a tag on all the pages and say "This is for discussing the article not the road..." --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 07:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say add  to the articles in question and remove the off-topic comments. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that I understand, you say that the talk page is for discussing the article not the road, but the article is about the road, how can you talk about the article without talking about the road?  I feel I am missing something though.  --Holderca1 20:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rschen7754 is referring to the encyclopedic article about the road; not unencyclopedic issues relating to the roadway such as his example of "How long does it take to get from A to B?"  With regards to the second example, however, there can be some use to those "other way around" comments -- they often help to spot the factual inaccuracies that can be quite prevalent in some Wikipedia articles. --Thisisbossi 21:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this right or proper or...

message: I've created Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Subprojects. I could use help in perfecting the new project mechanism though... (To test it choose a state that has no project and create it. Then tag it for speedy when you're done.) --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 21:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New subprojects subproject

message: I've created it at WP:USRD/P to hold a list of old debates for future reference. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 01:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New precedents subproject

message: I have been working on creating articles for Alabama highways as of late and decided to start a WikiProject. I am very new to this and simply used another state as a template but would love to make this the definitive source for Alabama highways on the net. Love to see contributions from all those interested in the byways of the Heart of Dixie! 
Here it is: Wikipedia:WikiProject Alabama Highways - Patriarca12 16:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Alabama Highways 

message: Should you go west-to-east or east-to-west?  South-to-north or north-to-south?  I would assume you begin at the west and the south, but I see some written the other way. DandyDan2007 13:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They should be W-E and S-N; those that are not are the rare (and often incorrect) exception. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 16:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  If giving a description of route, 

message: See Template talk:Infobox road#Recent changes in color/design. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to {{tl|Infobox road}} 

message: Just a heads-up: a proposal to merge Cedar Crest Boulevard, Lehigh Street, and Tilghman Street, three non-notable streets in the Allentown, Pennsylvania area, into a single Roads of Allentown, Pennsylvania article was offered on December 19 by myself, but removed only nine days later by an editor who appears to have an Allentown bias. Opinions on the merge proposal (which I believe is still active despite the lack of tags) is appreciated at Talk:Roads of Allentown, Pennsylvania. Thanks. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles on Allentown (PA) roads 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.  Badbilltucker 16:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer to write articles. --NE2 19:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards