Talk:Omar Abdel-Rahman

message: To Admin/jeff the changes that i made at the start of the intro on the 19th century us law is already referenced along with the charge i was only toning down the biased slant of this article that makes it seem like they had something against this person. These charges where based on suspicion on the part of the US over-reaction machine and in international law and basic common law suspicion does not necessitate a crime so please be objective. In his case they had to refer to a 19th century treason law which is very broad just like the new NDAA act to charge him and i was just highlighting this fact which the other biased writers don't see.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.13.77 (talk) 03:43, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  charges

message: A New York Times article "Tape Tied to Al Qaeda Urges More Attacks in Iraq" (Sept 28, 2006) claims that he is in Springfield, Mo, USA. 
Which prison is he really in?
:ADX Florence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.153.207.55 (talk) 11:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Which prison is he in?

message: This article has few sources its claims. Some links were gone or out of date, and not even from anywhere reliable. Since this is a newsworthy person and there should be plenty of references out there from news organizations, it shouldn't be hard. Wikipedia in general is moving in this direction.
The following link on the federal bureau of prisons demonstrates that as of 6/17/08, he is at Butner Federal Medical Center: http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&LastName=rahman&Middle=&FirstName=omar&Race=U&Sex=M&Age=&x=26&y=27  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamsjrcn (talk • contribs) 18:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Better sources 

message: I removed this piece fo text: 'not convicted of conspiring to bomb New York landmarks including the United Nations and FBI offices on October 1, 1995 nor were they convicted of the World Trade Center bombing of 1993, rather they were convicted under the US Civil War era law'.
Can someone please demonstate how mentioning things they weren't convicted is notable? Were they tried and found not guilty, or is this just a rhetorical device? Ashmoo 02:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not convicted of... 

message: Jeez, that guy on the photo is the ugliest Santa ever seen! Ain't anybody a cute pic worthy of good ol' Umar "Handsome" abd al-Rahman?? And lest I forget: if nobody moves this article soon, some deeply hurt reindeer will - they got feelings too! Earnestly, speaking the contraction is ok, writing it is colloqial at best, poor from really, even if most English -and Arab- speakers don't know better - pls check Umar (name) and Harun al-Rashid. The wrong -though popular- form should become a redirect to the proper version.
The reader will then profit twofold: how to spell properly and how to become a pious man. --tickle me 15:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper transliteration, or lack therof 

message: I've replaced the out of date Reuters source with an available one that I believe contains the same content. However, it doesn't seem to support the way the source is described, as a description of the 'will' of a person is far from an actual statement from them. Nimmo 11:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim associated with him 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
According to Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, the idea that "the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden ...[is] a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. ... Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. ... The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him." But as Bergen himself admitted, in one "strange incident" the CIA did appear to give visa help to mujahideen-recruiter Omar Abdel-Rahman..
The CIA connection doesn't appear here. anyone think it should? Eyalmc (talk) 12:51, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  from Al-Qaeda article 

message: In the book In the name of Osama bin Laden: Global Terrorism and the Bin Laden Brotherhood by Roland Jacquard, 
alleged Zawahiri operative Ahmed al-Sayed al-Najar is cited as saying that Abdel-Rahman had been appointed Emir by Egyptian Islamic Jihad and Gamaa Islamiya on the advice of Osama bin Laden, and his appointment was approved specifically by Mustapha Hamza and Rifai Taha.
Can any other sources back this up, put a date on this event, and describe what it means for Abdul-Rahman to be "Emir" in this context?
Timing is a problem. If this occurred after 1990, it raises the question of why Egyptian groups would give a leadership position to someone who was expelled from Egypt. If this occurred before 1990, it places Osama in a more active and authoritative position in worldwide terrorism than most sources suggest for him in that time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dturover (talk • contribs) 07:09, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible status as Emir 

message: I work on the phone and spoke to a member of the US Defence dept. that told me that Bengazi was suppposed to be a kidnapping, which would have allowed Pres. Obama to release Omar Abdel Rahman in a trade with Pres. Morsi of Egypt without losing face. The military was told to stand down because of the "deal", but the Navy SEALS did not get the message and because they were attacking, the local Al Queda that were doing the kidnapping went berzerk and slaughtered everyone. Obviously, none of this can go public because Pres. Obama, Secy. of State Clinton, and several high ranking military officials would be destroyed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.14.187.175 (talk) 23:22, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Bengazi connection

message: The entire section is unreferenced.
--105.101.7.203 (talk) 00:48, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Youth" section 

message: which language wiki is Omar Abdel-Rahman reported as dead on? Can't see one. -- Callinus (talk) 04:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: (was reported) on Russian Wikipedia. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 17:34, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  livingdead 

message: Substituted at 01:50, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: A significant portion of the page was taken up by a list of all those who extended condolences upon Omar Abdel-Rahman's death. It was bizarre and didn't seem very noteworthy, so I removed it. If there is significance, can the list be condensed and the significance be spelled out? The edit was here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omar_Abdel-Rahman&type=revision&diff=771367551&oldid=771367196
Fogster (talk) 03:45, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of list of those who extended condolences 

message: Regarding need of a citation for "Abdel-Rahman was arrested on 24 June 1993, along with nine of his followers":
https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1993/06/27/276193.html?pageNumber=1 indicates "the Clinton Administration does not plan for now to arrest Mr. Abdel Rahman", but continues with "Six of the eight men arrested on Thursday ...", Thursday being 1993-06-24.
https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1993/07/01/833293.html?pageNumber=23 indicates "A ninth suspect was arrested yesterday", so the ninth suspect was arrested 1993-06-30
https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1993/07/03/issue.html indicates "Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman ... emerged from a Brooklyn mosque and surrendered to Federal authorities last night ... [He] walked on the arm of his lawyer shortly after 6 P.M. ... to a firehouse that had become a Federal command post" so his arrest date was 1993-07-02.
MgFrobozz (talk) 00:28, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arrest date correction for Abdel-Rahman 

message: :There were eight entries in the "External links". Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four. The problem is that none is needed for article promotion. 
*ELpoints #3) states: 
*LINKFARM states: 
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*ELCITE:   --  Otr500 (talk) 00:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: :I think this article was premature -- or -- bot wrongly-assessed. There are "unsourced statements" (citation needed) from 2007, 2008, 2017, and 2022. 
:The B-class criteria #1 states; , and #4, 
:Reassess the article to C-class.  --  Otr500 (talk) 04:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Article issues and classification