Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2007, 2

message: I see I screwed up the talk page. Sorry. ---- DanTD 17:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Normal procedure would to have put the proposed new version on a page in your userspace (ie a sandbox page) and then given a wikilink to it here so we could all review it, etc Pickle 17:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just tried to find a sandbox, and I couldn't. That's because I was thinking of it under another name. ---- DanTD 17:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just create one in your userspace.  For example, if you edit User:DanTD/Old Seaboard Air Line Railway Station (or whatever appropriate name you choose for the proposal) to contain the proposed merge, you can have the categories and stub templates as they would be in the final article rather than commented as they are now above. Slambo (Speak) 19:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Goof on my part. 

message: What do you know? I just found out that the West Palm Beach (Tri-Rail station) and Seaboard Coastline Railroad Passenger Station are one in the same as well. 
http://www.trainweb.org/usarail/westpalm.htm
Looks like another merger should be considered. ---- DanTD 17:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Seaboard Coastline Railroad Passenger Station" is a bad name for an article (and a redirect); the Seaboard Coast Line Railroad had a large number of stations. --NE2 17:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why I suggested a new name for the one in Deerfield Beach. ---- DanTD 17:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amtrak, SFRTA, and another old railroad station 

message: How should the succession boxes in the railway lines in Lapland be handled? The issue here is that there are physically two branching lines, which separate at Kemi. One goes northwest to Rovaniemi and onwards to Kemijärvi. The other goes straight north to Kolari.
Now, the only important place (at the level of the entire Finland) here is Rovaniemi. It's a city with almost 60 thousand people, but all the other places mentioned above are much smaller. Kemi, the branching point, has only about 22 thousand people. Kemi itself can only be reached via Oulu, which is a very important city, with over 100 thousand people. So the lines would start at Oulu, but where would they end? Should they be named Oulu-Kolari and Oulu-Kemijärvi? My original plan was to have Oulu-Kolari and Oulu-Rovaniemi, with an additional Rovaniemi-Kemijärvi line after Rovaniemi, but it seems a bit silly, as it's the same track all along. JIP | Talk 18:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The railway in Lapland consists of the following tracks: Oulu–Tornio-rata, Tornio–Haaparanta-rata, Kolarin rata, and Laurila–Kelloselkä-rata. See Luokka:Suomen rataverkko. --Hippophaë 22:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but I am trying to keep the lines simpler here on the English Wikipedia. I know that the Finnish Wikipedia lists every piece of track between two crossing points separately but I don't think there's need to do that here. JIP | Talk 05:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railway lines in Lapland? 

message: I just found what may be another duplicate article for stations along the South Florida Regional Transportation Authority. First it was Deerfield Beach, then it was West Palm Beach, now it might be Hialeah Market (Tri-Rail station) and the Hialeah Seaboard Air Line Railway Station. ---- DanTD 01:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More SFRTA Tri-Rail Duplicates? 

message: I need some experienced project members to help take a look at the articles listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Assessment#Requesting an assessment.  These are articles that were specifically listed for reassessment, usually after an editor has put some work into them in order to raise their assessment levels.  These articles deserve more than just a quick look and assessment update (which is the main reason I haven't been able to get back to them), so please take the time to leave comments on the associated /Comments pages (linked as "assessment comments" in the  banner) for the articles from that list that you review.  I haven't had as much time as I would like to get back to this list as I would like, so I'm making a public appeal now for other experienced editors to take a look too.  AdThanksVance! Slambo (Speak) 10:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment backlog 

message: Does anyone know much about this company? All i have found out is that it is successful, has numerous proposals for companies, runs Hull Trains, has two managers who were the founders and is based in York. Simply south 17:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Renaissance Trains]] 

message: What exactly qualifies as "high speed" in rail transport? 161kph? Simply south 14:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect the answer is that it's another of those subjective terms, like "hi-fi" sound, or "right wing" politics. In terms of describing speed in Wikipedia articles, at the very least I think you'd have to look at it in the context of the time period the article refers to. E.g. a 115km/h start-to-finish average speed for the Cheltenham Flyer in the 1930s would indeed qualify as "high speed" rail transport, but it's fairly ordinary by modern standards. Similarly the form of traction, e.g. the 200km/h InterCity 125 is still a "high speed" diesel train, but not in the league of the electric "high speed" Shinkansen or TGV. And then there's gauge, e.g. anything over 120km/h on 3'6"/1067mm narrow gauge could probably still be considered "high speed".  Zzrbiker 15:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: UK standard gauge has typically been 100mph plus generally 125mph, but as above highly subjective Pickle 06:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed 

message: Several Sheffield Supertram stops/stations are up for batch deletion.
:Herdings Park supertram stop 
:Herdings supertram stop 
:Gleadless Townend supertram stop
:Middlewood Tram Stop
Editorial note; all of these were prodded and AfD'd within 10 hours of the articles creation. (AfDs not originated by me.  They are listed here for information purposes only). --Oakshade 15:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herdings Park supertram stop|Herdings Park supertram stop and others AfDs]] 

message: Given the size of , I've proposed stub types for the five largest states (in terms of numbers of stubs).  Please add your thoughts there.  Alai 23:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New stub types for train stations by US state 

message: I have created List of rail transit systems in the United States as a sortable list of all current systems. I know it's missing some of the smaller automated systems. It would by great if someone could add those to it and link it from articles. --NE2 11:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of rail transit systems in the United States]] 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of SR West Country Class locomotives --NE2 09:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion 

message: Regarding the little known Britannia Station, I've found some info and have started a Britannia Railway Station sandbox for it. Does anyone have any objections if I insert it into the sequence of stations for the Warburton Rail line? Admittedly I have not yet seen the cited book with my own eyes yet but I'm working on it. Rick69p 12:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defunct Warburton Rail Line Victoria, Australia 

message: I have created WikiProject buses to manage articles about buses and bus routes, including their history as streetcar lines. --NE2 18:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New WikiProject: buses 

message: According to the Federal Railroad Administration of the United States Department of Transportation, "High Speed Rail [...] refers to a series of technologies involving trains traveling at top speeds of 90 to 300mph." 
However, editors have been reverting my edits to Ohio Hub because they insist that it is not high-speed since it operates below 110 mph.  Despite this, the Ohio Department of Transportation refers to the system as high-speed on both its webpage  and in its executive summary .  I fully cited the article, yet my edits were still removed (see Talk:Ohio Hub).  Many editors have stated that it is not high-speed because it only operates at 110 mph, however, I don't see how a 15 mph different matters.  But in addition to the Ohio Hub, there are other "high-speed" rail systems that operate below 125 mph:
*Southeast High Speed Rail Corridor – "The corridor was designated as running [...] with maximum speeds of 110 mph." 
*Midwest Regional Rail Initiative – "Introduction of modern, high-speed trains operating at speeds up to 110 mph" 
*New York high-speed rail – "...the maximum operating speed for passenger trains is 110 mph."  
–Crashintome4196 01:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  First of all, the UIC, which is the International Union of Railways, defines it as 125 mph.  Second of all, every American textbook on transportation engineering that I can find says 125 mph as well.  As far as having your citations removed, I would like to point out that you have been removing my citation that cites a textbook defining high-speed as 125 mph.  Nobody has actually removed your USDOT citation that I know of, because you just brought it up a few hours ago.  --Shadowlink1014 10:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, so does this mean that other rail systems in the USA like the Southeast High Speed Rail Corridor are not high-speed?  The UIC may set basic international standards, but they do differ in the United States because in many parts of the country, trains are legally not allowed to travel above certain speeds. –Crashintome4196 15:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NPOV says that we should cover all views. Thus in high-speed rail we should give at least a sampling of the definition that different governmental authorities use, and in the articles about proposals we should say it's high-speed rail, give the speed, and allow people to read the high-speed rail article. --NE2 15:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  For the record, the US is the only country that seems to use anything other than 125mph / 200km/hr. Tompw (talk) (review) 16:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, but the real question is whether systems such as Ohio Hub, Southeast High Speed Rail Corridor and the Midwest Regional Rail Initiative should be categorically included in high-speed rail categories, templates, etc.  (And I don't see how laws limiting train speeds warrants lowering the definition of "high speed".  Lowering standards so we can call something "high speed", instead of raising the speeds themselves, is just wrong to me.) --Shadowlink1014 16:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless we define the scope of the category or template to be above a certain speed, which is probably not NPOV, we have to include everything that's called high-speed rail by reliable sources in there. --NE2 16:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This is being discussed at Talk:High speed rail. Tompw (talk) (review) 16:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replied there, including a link that states that the International Union of Railways has no strict definition. --NE2 17:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Looking at it the consensus appears that there is no single definition - Europe is 125mph/125mph+ while stateside its as low as 90mph and still valid. Pickle 18:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What IS high-speed rail? 

message: The two infoboxes for  T&P Station in Fort Worth, Texas make the page look kind of crooked. Is there any way to center the NRHP infobox, and put the station infobox on the right? ---- DanTD 02:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  I put both infoboxes into a two-row table aligned to the right side of the page.  I also removed the image from the second infobox because it seemed to make the page a little too crowded.  You may add it back it you feel otherwise. –Crashintome4196 02:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, and I did revive the interior photo for that article. I wonder if there should be a combined infobox for railroad stations and stations on the National Register of Historic Places, or at least a way to arrange the existing infobox in a manner that indicates NRHP status. ---- DanTD 11:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there are several that have already been identified, perhaps some additional (optional) parameters to  such as historic_designation and designation_authority to keep it useful for other nations' historic preservation efforts? Slambo (Speak) 15:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[T&P Station]] Infoboxes 

message: I noticed that almost ALL articles related to generic elements of railroads here shows a dramatic bias and limited point-of-view towards US (and, sometimes, UK) stuff. This when this country, today, is notably well behind Europe in railway techonology and development (just to mention, I had some time ago a clash with one users claiming that diesel-electric locomotives were better than electric ones... ridiculous; compare their power-per-ton and have a laugh, please; not to speak of economicity of use). Is there anybody wanting to help? Presently, I've added numerous articles about Italian electric locomotives (see FS Class E428 for example - btw, they'd need some cleanup of language, as ain't so much into English jargon); I think, SNCF and DB locomotives would need something similar at least. Also, i noticed that the infoboxes used are a bewildering variety. Is there anybody wanting to collaborate to uniform them? Tanks and good work... and remember that this is not an American encyclopedia, although written in English. --Attilios 12:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I left comments in reply after the same message was posted to Portal talk:Trains.  I agree that systemic bias is a problem that needs to be addressed; see my comments on the portal talk page for how I try to address this on the portal. Slambo (Speak) 15:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Hey, if you want to do any articles on non US & UK railroad-related material, nobody's stopping you. ---- DanTD 13:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias and other 

message: I came across Template:NYCRR on the Michigan Central Railroad article. I think it has a bit too much explaination for a template. I have no idea about history of the New York Central Railroad, so could someone else take a look? Blarneytherinosaur talk 05:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it could be shortened a bit.  I'd suggest something more like  for the style; I just don't have a moment to do it myself right now. Slambo (Speak) 11:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NYCRR template 

message: I'm considering a new category for articles related to the Delaware and Hudson Railway. How do I make one? --- DanTD 14:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit the :Category:Delaware and Hudson Railway page and add at least one parent category to it. Slambo (Speak) 14:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see we already have one, so just use the existing category. Slambo (Speak) 14:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Delaware and Hudson Railway]] category 

message: For those who don't monitor the Administrators' Noticeboard, a new namespace has been introduced as the first phase of this proposal to create a new table editor.  Since we've got quite a few articles with tables in them within this project's scope, we may want to start migrating some of the tables over there.
For consistency, we should probably look into some page name conventions.  To start with, I propose that the various "original owners" tables for locomotive model articles be named like "Table:BUILDER MODEL original owners" (so the table for the original owners of EMD BL2 locomotives, for example, would be at Table:EMD BL2 original owners).  Slambo (Speak) 19:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And just as quickly, the new namespace has been removed.  Time to "wait and see" what happens next. Slambo (Speak) 14:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Briefly reading that proposals, it is what we are effectively doing on many railway lines over here (UK) with the rail line template (ie hide the 'route map' table from the casual editor due to its complexity). Thus i think this is a good idea really. Pickle 16:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "Table" namespace 

message: Somehow, it doesn't seem like the previous and next stations in the Corcoran, California Amtrak Station article are are in the proper place. Compare it to the Bakersfield (Amtrak station) article. ---- DanTD 15:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Corcoran (Amtrak station)]] Infobox error 

message: Rail transport in India has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
benji 18:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR 

message: This article is up for deletion.  The AfD discussion is here.
(Note: I did not originate this AfD. It's place here for information purposes only.) --Oakshade 02:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD for [[Railfan window]] 

message: I am not a member of this project but can I flagged Bruce Chubb to be part of this project.  He is well known model railroader and designer of the Computer/Model Railroad Interface (CMRI). BeckyAnne(talk) 00:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like its within our scope ;), Be Bold Pickle 09:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bruce Chubb]] added to the Project? 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astoria - Mini Mart Bus Stop (Oregon Coachways) --NE2 16:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rail-related deletion discussion 

message: FYI, Pioneer Zephyr is at WP:FAR.  See the talk page. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the official notice Pioneer Zephyr has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I've updated the article last night with a number of inline citations, and I've also started on ensuring that all fair use images used there have valid fair use rationale.  Any other editors here wanna jump in too? Slambo (Speak) 13:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR FYI Pioneer Zephyr 

message: For those who don't monitor the administrators boards or any of the record or movie articles, there's a strong push to remove fair use images that don't have complete fair use rationales on the image description pages.  I've gone through a few in updating Pioneer Zephyr this week, but it occurs to me that there are a number of railroad-related articles with fair use images still.  As you edit articles, please take a moment to check the licensing on the images that are included in the articles; for those that are listed as fair use, please ensure that a suitable rationale is added.  Fair use images that do not have fair use rationales listed are subject to deletion.
See also: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#User:Betacommand trying to remove all album covers?
Slambo (Speak) 18:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use rationales needed for fair use images 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Stirling (railway engineer); Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Stirling --NE2 23:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussions 

message: In the USG Corporation article, there's a section on the bottom about this company owning and operating the only industrial narrow guage railway in US.  It operates on their own line that's 20.5 miles, from Plaster City, California to a gypsum rock quarry.   The USG Corporation article gives a lot of information, but I think this warrents its own article.  Besides, some of the railway details seem out of place in the company article. --Oakshade 06:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operating US Narrow Guage Railway without an article 

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Marskell 18:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted above, I've been updating this article to bring it in line with current FA standards. Slambo (Speak) 18:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pioneer Zephyr FAR 

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Dream out loud 22:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:Infobox Monorail}}]] 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of airport circulators --NE2 18:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion 

message: Can anybody add the exact Bus numbers of the Detroit Department of Transportation that stop at Detroit (Amtrak station)? I went to their website, and it didn't tell me anything. ---- DanTD 20:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with [[Detroit (Amtrak station)]] 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quezon Avenue MRT Station --NE2 19:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion 

message: Hi. Couldn't see an obvious place for 'missing articles' on the project page, so thought I'd mention it here.
I was looking at water tower yesterday and noticed that it made no reference to railways. I have since rectified that, with a short paragraph, but there is surely a need for a separate article as railway water towers had a different form and function to domestic water towers? There is also the consideration of the smaller water towers with integral cranes, such as the GWR conical type.  Alternatively, should be added to water crane.
(Need to highlight it somewhere. If I just place it on my ToDo list, the article won't appear for many months!)
Regards EdJogg 20:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Todo/Write, which is on the To do list page in the project navigation box.  The list needs to be updated to remove articles that have been written and to add other articles that are still needed.  I was maintaining this page for some time, but haven't had a chance to update it in a while.  In conjunction with this list, I also try to update the short task list on Portal:Trains about every month, but that task is also often skipped.  Slambo (Speak) 18:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. That lot'll keep everyone off the streets for a while! My apologies for not hunting it down  – I don't often visit this particlular project page. EdJogg 00:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needed: Water tower (railway) 

message: Hello. Whilst re-writing article on PKP class EU05 locomotive I decided to move the article to a new name: ČD 141 series. This was done to name the locomotive just as it was named in the country of production and not as it was named in just one country it was used in, like it was done with PKP class ST44 locomotive moved to M62 locomotive.
The problem is I do not have exact information on naming locomotives in the [[Czech Republic]. The other problem is how to name those locomotives in the English language Wikipedia. Please post here some comments what is the best way to dothis in you opinion. CCMichalZ 10:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One convention is to use the manufacturer modelname as the article name.  For example, EMD GP30 describes a diesel-electric locomotive that saw widespread use in North America.  The manufacturer was EMD and the model name was GP30. Slambo (Speak) 11:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the quick answer. Most of Czech locomotive, as well as Polish, were built during communist period, so the name of manufacturer was unimportant, as there were no private comanies then and all of them were designs of state institutes. Moreover, some of engines were built in different works, so it would be misleading to put manfacturer into the locomotive name. CCMichalZ 11:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming of Czech locomotives 

message: I have requested a move on Talk:Grand Army Plaza-Prospect Park (IRT Eastern Parkway Line). --NE2 16:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I requested some moves too;
*Talk:Walnut Ridge (Amtrak station)  to ‎Missouri-Pacific Depot-Walnut Ridge
*Talk:Arkadelphia (Amtrak station) to ‎Missouri-Pacific Railroad Depot-Arkadelphia
*Talk:Malvern (Amtrak station)  to ‎Missouri-Pacific Railroad Depot-Malvern
And I've got others I want to consider as well. ---- DanTD 16:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Why the inconsistency between names, with no "Railroad" for Walnut Ridge? And why the dash between Missouri and Pacific? The railroad's name was Missouri Pacific Railroad. --NE2 17:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I found those empty links, that was just how they were written. There's also a Seaboard Air Line Railway Depot in Camden, South Carolina, that should be renamed Camden Seaboard Air Line Railway Depot. I thought about scanning everything from the existing article, and posting in on a new page, so I could request a move to that one. ---- DanTD 17:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, the Gainesville, Texas (Amtrak station) should be renamed the Santa Fe Passenger Depot at Gainesville and the Pascagoula (Amtrak station) should be renamed the Louisville and Nashville Railroad Depot at Pascagoula. I added the "at Pascagoula" part. I found out that they were one in the same through some e-mails to some women who work for the Pascagoula city government.  There are quite a number of stations along the Texas Eagle, Heartland Flyer, Sunset Limited and other lines that should be renamed, not to mention some Union Stations. ---- DanTD 17:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It looks like the only links to your proposed names are from List of Registered Historic Places in Arkansas and other similar pages. It further looks like the register uses inconsistent and often incorrect naming. I don't think we should be using it as a source for names. --NE2 17:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The argument to rename various Amtrak stations to reflect the names of the predecessor railroad companies does not improve the usage or provide more information on these topics.  For all these stations in question, the general naming convention seems to have been to use the current name for the active Wiki page.  In all cases, the prior name and identification of the structure is contained within the articles cited.  If it is necessary to provide alternate names for a specific structure, it would be better to use the current name for the primary page, and then create a redirect page with the alternate name form.  For example: Texarkana (Amtrak station) is primary page and Texarkana Union Station, the former name of this station, redirects to the current name. -- RI-Bill 03:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's somewhat disappointing, considering that there are plenty of other Union Stations/Union Depots that are currently used by Amtrak and still kept their old names, like Washington, DC, Tampa, Florida, El Paso, Texas, Joliet, Illinion, and Little Rock, Arkansas(http://www.trainweb.org/usarail/littlerock.htm). BTW, I like your historic detail for Texarkana Union Station, RI-Bill. ---- DanTD 03:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Just a quick note that I have just finished the ATSBLink template, which is now fully documented and ready to use. This is designed to consistently link to accident and incident reports published by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, and covers all their reporting types from rail, air, and sea. If anyone has suggestions or improvments, don't hesitate to pitch in or get in touch. Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 03:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template [[Template:ATSBLink|ATSBLink]] 

message: I came across this page, and in researching it, discovered that the thing is a patchwork of copyright violations. I'm going to rewrite it but I'd appreciate other input. Mangoe 14:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help with [[Railway Express Agency]] 

message: I've proposed a couple of alternative ways of splitting up US-rail-stub, which has become very large.  Please comment at that page, if you're so inclined.  Alai 19:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another stub type proposal 

message: Talk:Baltimore Streetcar Route 1 --NE2 00:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Previous title: <BR><B> Could an admin please look at the deleted articles Toronto Airport Express and HOST Destination Management ? </B>
These are bus articles rather than train ones, but perhaps someone could take a look at these deleted articles and decide if they can be salvaged. Destination Management Company hasn't been deleted, but has been tagged as a problem article. I worry about weak but salvageable articles about transportation-related articles being inappropriately deleted for being advertisements when they really aren't. --Eastmain 22:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for admin help 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films about trains --NE2 23:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion 

message: What's the rule for naming a guy like D.J. Russell of the Southern Pacific when using their given and surname would link to the site of someone who isn't the railroader in question? Same problem cropped up in the Lehigh Valley article when naming John F. Nash as President; the system insisted on redirecting that link to the page for the A Beautiful Mind mathematician. Foxhound 20:21, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railroad Presidents and Their Names 

message: The GFM and TPF pages seem a bit confusing, however I think I may have made them more confusing :-( 
There seems to be three pages.
Chemins_de_fer_Fribourgeois_Gruy%C3%A8re-Fribourg-Morat - exclusivly about the railways, metre and standard, with some info on changing name.
Transports_Publics_Fribourgeois - was the GFM page, which now redirects - mainly about the railway but almost exclusivly metre. 
Transports_publics_Fribourgeois - more information, again mainly about the railway
I can't help feeling there should be some tidying up here. Possibly a marge of the info from the three into one page on the TPF or have a page for the TPF as an overall entity with all of it operations, a page on current state of the railway side and a page on the history as the GFM
What do people think? Talltim 14:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GFM/TPF 

message: A new definition has been proposed to replace the introductory text on Portal:Trains.  Personally, I have no strong opinions on which of the two texts is used, so I'm looking for other project participants' opinions on this.  Please join the discussion there and state your opinions on the matter.  AdThanksVance.  Slambo (Speak) 19:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no objections and receiving one more support vote for the new text, I made the change yesterday.  Nobody's reverted it, so we'll use it until a better definition is proposed. Slambo (Speak) 13:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal intro text 

message: One of our Czech contributors,  went on a 6-hour editing binge on 4th April (you'll need to select '100' to see them all). During this time he created many of the Tramways in (country) categories and sorted-out a number of article categorisations, all relating to streetcars or tramways. On closer inspection it looks like he had initially considered posting a merge request from  to , but then had second thoughts, removed the merge banner, and systematically emptied the 'Street railways' category, moving articles into the various tram equivalents.
In the process, he left a number of merge suggestions dotted about, both for articles and categories; and while some have some merit, in no case did he leave any rationale for his suggestion. And, apart from one instance, no-one has commented on any of the suggestions since, and all are now nearly three months old.
As it is recommended that merge suggestions should be discussed and followed-up within one month, I thought it was about time these were resolved. Most of them relate to North American streetcar systems and I do not have the necessary knowledge to make a decision on these. Hence they are listed here, for North American contributors to resolve!
Affected categories:
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* <-- he removed most of the category members on this day
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Affected articles:
*Light rail in North America
*Streetcars in North America
There may be more that I didn't spot, but these are the ones that have been forgotten about!
EdJogg 17:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stale Streetcar merge suggestions 

message: Would it be okay to set up a bot (e.g. Miszabot II) to archive the talk page? What period? 30 days? less? Simply south 14:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, since nobody else has jumped in here yet, I'll put in my support for such a plan.  I wouldn't go less than 30 days yet since it can take some time for discussion.  We can always tweak the bot params later if we need to.  Slambo (Speak) 17:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I see the bot just did its thing in archiving old threads.  Will it update the archive box at the top of the page or do we have to do that manually? Slambo (Speak) 18:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like that has to be done manually. --NE2 05:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated it. Should the number of kb be set as well as the number of threads? Simply south 10:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archival with bot 

message: An editor has proposed moving Walschaert valve gear to Walschaerts valve gear.  Please join the discussion on this matter. Slambo (Speak) 11:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move proposed at [[Walschaert valve gear]] 

message: I have put WP:TRAIL up for a requested move as it seems to have expanded beyond its original concept. Not sure on name though. Simply south 12:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved to Wikipedia:Route diagram template. Simply south 19:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:TRAIL for WP:RM 

message: I am the editor who requested the move (thanks Linbarn). I'm afraid I have another quibble: I think I am right in saying that there was no such beast as a Chief Mechanical Engineer in the UK before 1910 after the Midland Railway had restructured from top to bottom, Deeley had left and Fowler became the first CME - others companies followed suit during the following years. All the famous names like Sturrock, Stirling, Webb, - Churchward and Gresley at first - had the title of Locomotive Superintendent and as such had far more responsibility (and power) being directly responsible to the board of directors for providing the motive power for the trains, locomotive policy, design, ordering from private firms, rebuilds, ordering materials, building and and equiping the works...--John of Paris 00:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CME? 

message: We are trying to improve some articles in Ogle County, Illinois. This railroad park would be one of interest that I would like to get up to GA. I was hoping that some from your project might be able to assist in this? I have found a few pictures in Commons, but I am going to check through my photo albumns and see if I have train pics at this crossing. Any assistance in this article would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!--Kranar drogin 02:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rochelle Railroad Park]] 

message: As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether List of Tunis Metro stations is notable enough to have its own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. If you can spare some time, please add your comments to the article's talk page. Thanks!  --B. Wolterding 12:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Tunis Metro stations 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Western (rail franchise) (2nd nomination) --NE2 15:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion 

message: Another editor added  to the Canadian National Railway article this week.  Since the  template wasn't replaced with the other template, I don't mind so much (and I even fixed up the parameters in it so it displayed properly).  However, it got me thinking that for many articles, multiple infoboxes could be applicable.  The same situation occurs on articles about Registered Historic Places such as Cincinnati, Richmond & Muncie Depot, where both  and  appear.  So far, I've only seen articles where two infoboxes apply, but just like we've seen with project banners on talk pages, the number of applicable infoboxes could be arbitrarily large.  My first thought is that we should be able to combine the parameters of one infobox into another, but then there's the question of which infobox takes precedence as well as keeping up with all of the changes to the integrated infobox.  Other than wrapping the infoboxes in a single column table so they are rendered correctly and don't mess up where the Edit links get placed, what strategies are there to minimize the number of boxes on a page? Slambo (Speak) 15:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's like what I was thinking.  Slambo (Speak) 22:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combination infoboxes? 

message: I'm translating a railway station article from Finnish to English and came across the following term "Varmistuslukko- ja opastinturvalaitos", which has its own pic on wikimedia commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Varmistuslukko-_ja_opastinturvalaitos.jpg). The apparatus in the picture actually seems to be only a control panel that is part of a larger apparatus. Does anyone happen to know what the proper term for the entire apparatus in English? I found the term Integrated Electronic Control Centre, but am unsure if it is the right term. Thanks for any assistance. -Yupik 22:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology help 

message: Due to its history or expressed opinions, I believe that this wikiproject would be interested in a Sprawl Control Proposal currently in development. Please note that the idea is not deletionist, and advocates retention of all suitable material, by current definitions. If you oppose the idea in principal, please do not attempt to discourage its development. The intent is that all views may be integrated into a proposal that may achieve the stated aims and be acceptable to as wide an audience as possible.
It is thus felt that it is particularly important that relevant wikiprojects participate in the formulation of the proposal.
This invitation template was placed by: SamBC 15:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invitation/Information 

message: Saw this today... TFD for .  The nomination also includes ,  and .  All of them are navigation boxes for Stockholm Metro.  Please add your opinions to the discussion there. Slambo (Speak) 10:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TFD notice 

message: I've added Template:Rail color box/doc this morning and transcluded it onto the template page within a noinclude section (mostly so I wouldn't have to search for some of the system abbreviations all the time).  I spent a little while going through the template's links to collect the information on the various systems that were already using this template, but I'm certain that I've missed a couple.  If anyone familiar with the template or its usage could take a look and correct as needed, I'd be grateful.  Thanks. Slambo (Speak) 18:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still having trouble making them for the Green Mountain Railroad. I've been trying to get green text with a yellow background, and all I get is a light blue bar with red lettering.  ---- DanTD 17:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which articles are you working with? Mackensen (talk) 20:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some new template documentation 

message: In the course of stumbling about the wiki I discovered . Frankly I think there are better and more flexible ways to accomplish this kind of thing, so I've thrown together an s-rail/s-line framework for comparative purposes. Below is a mockup for Perth railway station. The s-rail/s-line combo is at top; the Transperth/Transwa scheme at bottom.












Now, I'd love to get input and buy-in from the Perth fellows before going ahead with replacement. Ultimately this does mean dropping some detail, but it's mainly detail better handled in the station infobox than in the succession box. Thoughts and brickbats? Mackensen (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, just looking at the size of the code that has to be typed to produce both of these, is a strong argument in favor of the s-line scheme.  I think the s-line solution is also easier to read with fewer non-standard text and background colors getting in the way.  Slambo (Speak) 14:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can assure you the Perth railway station (as I knew it in the last century) was indeed much more complicated then - as it had country and suburban trains departing from the one station.  Will add comment again soon SatuSuro 15:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's some information loss when implementing the new template, such as the fare zone information. Is that any substitutes when implementing the new template? Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 16:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's the note and note2 parameters which could be used to show fare zone information in upcoming stations. I've added it for the top row as a demonstration. Alternatively you can just add such information to the station infobox instead of the succession box. Mackensen (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There certainly is marked improvement. It was much simple before the current template, then someone came by and used hiddenStructure. It go depreciated so someone came by and fixed it with ParserFunctions. Which honestly, I hope to understand but still don't. I'm all for s-rail, but only if it includes most of the previous colour schemes and zone information (both minor issues). 리지강.wa.au 16:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that possible by hacking the  or  templates by adding the the background colour, the text colour and the border colour parameters? Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 16:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: S-rail is the one you'd want to hack, and the answer is maybe, but we'd want to be careful. Let me investigate a little. Mackensen (talk) 16:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is possible to adding a  to the s-start style tag to enable the border colour parameter for the s-start template. And still looking for the s-rail template. Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 17:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the s-rail template, it is suggested to replace style="border: 0px #aaa none;" to style="border: 0px #aaa none;  " to allow the customised text colour and background color in the s-rail template. Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 17:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transperth boxes 

message: For the past year I have been working to build a personal website devoted to historic North American passenger train timetables as originally published in the Official Guide of the Railways. I have now published 100 timetables, all transcribed (not scanned) for ease in reading and searching. If you haven't visited yet, or if it has been a while, then point your browser to Streamliner Schedules.
The site takes up most of my spare time, so I can't actively participate in Wikipedia. However, I do have a fairly comprehensive collection of Official Guides, especially from 1936 to 1971, and I may be able to research the answers to some of your questions if that information is available in the Guide. I may also be able to work on transcribing specific timetables to complement an article that you are working on. I would appreciate it if you could help direct my effort by pointing out trains and time periods which are especially significant.
I don't check my Wiki talk page very often, so the best way to get in touch with me is via the email address posted on my web site. I enjoy hearing feedback so, if you like the site, leave me a comment. --Ehbowen 20:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passenger Train Timetables 

message: Talk:TRAXX --Jollyroger 08:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please check this 

message: Does anyone here know who owns and what services run on the rail line marked here? It's the one crossing the Connecticut River in the center of the map between Deerfield MA and Montague MA. --Polaron | Talk 03:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  help identify trackage 

message: I am requesting that Cambria and Indiana Railroad be removed from the List of Indiana railroads.  It is correctly listed on the List of Pennsylvania railroads, but perhaps should be moved to the defunct category there.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.196.176.193 (talk • contribs).
I have removed C&I from the Indiana list.  My research shows it never ran in Indiana, and the name refers to Indiana County, PA, not Indiana the state.  This is probably similar to the confusion over Indiana University of Pennsylvania.  I consider this problem solved.  Skabat169 21:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting a correction 

message: TrainWeb appears to have the two stations listed as being one in the same(http://www.trainweb.org/usarail/whiting.htm). They list the Amtrak station and somewhere they make a note of the Northern Indiana Commuter Transportation District train. Is this anything like the Miami Tri-Rail and Metrorail transfer station, where one line has it's own address, or are they actually two different stations? ---- DanTD 03:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Google Earth, (I not exactly familar with the area) the two raillines, (NS, and South Shore) are 4.25 miles apart in Hammond area, so I doubt they are the same Station.  BeckyAnne(talk) 04:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've traveled through both--they're definitely separate stations. Mackensen (talk) 12:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that's good to know. I tried to use Google Maps(or MapQuest, I forget which) to determine the distance between the two, and it gave me an error notice. ---- DanTD 13:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hammond-Whiting (Amtrak station)]] & [[Hammond (NICTD)]] 

message: The article The Jamaica, a Canadian Prime Minister's personal train car, is up for deletion.  See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Jamaica.  The article certainly could use expansion.  --Oakshade 06:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of deletion, perhaps we should consider creating a separate topic on private, restored passenger cars, with a brief synopsis (perhaps one or two lines each) of significant passenger cars once used in regular service and now in private ownership.  Such should probably be limited to the various types of passenger cars and significant examples. Erzahler 17:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good idea. --Oakshade 19:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: And I just moved the link that was there to John A. Macdonald. Should I have moved it to Canadian Pacific Railway as well? ---- DanTD 13:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know.  I don't think it's controversial either way.  --Oakshade 00:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD for historic train car 

message: As this is the correct project to do this in, if anyone has a spare five minutes, would it be possible for someone to review the article SR West Country and Battle of Britain Classes as part of its attempt at FA status?  Any comments from interested parties would be received with thanks, and acted upon as soon as possible.  Thank you.  --Bulleid Pacific 19:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SR West Country and Battle of Britain Classes 

message: In the article, List of stations on the Central Railroad of New Jersey there is a wiki link to the Blue Comet train but the link turns out to be to an episode of the Sopranos.  There doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia article about the Blue Comet train that ran to Atlantic City from the late 20's to the early 40's.  There is enough material about the Blue Comet train I think to make it notable enough for its own article but in the meantime, does anyone know how to fix the Sopranos mistake? thanks Garnetpoint 21:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find similar issues frequently with entries on List of railroad executives.  Usually, I follow WP:DISAMBIG to disambiguate the pages as appropriate. Slambo (Speak) 19:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Blue Comet 

message: I just found that the Homewood (Amtrak station) and the Homewood (Metra) station are one in the same, and I tried to merge the info from both. The problem is, I can't reverse the Metra Electric routebox, so that it's consistant with the Amtrak lines. No matter what I do, it stays in reverse. How can I fix that, or is somebody willing to do this for me? ---- DanTD 03:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am inclined to think the Amtrak  left/right templates should be switched to satisfy the North/South convention, but at Union Station (Chicago), the orientation of lines seems to be correct (while breaking the convention). So I am also unsure what to do. TLK'in 05:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Mackensen (talk) 10:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, and now that I've examined it, I see what you did. ---- DanTD 12:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Routebox trouble again; [[Homewood (Amtrak station)|Homewood (Amtrak/Metra station)]] 

message: How close are these two sites to one another? Mackensen, I'm looking in your direction, but I'll take the word of anybody else who might know as well. ---- DanTD 19:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Acto Mapquest, they are about 150 ft from each other. Mangoe 23:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Elkhart (Amtrak station)]] & [[New York Central Railroad Museum]] 

message: While doing a little bit of fair use image cleanup today, I found that very little action has been taken on the images tagged with .  The Trains WikiProject was given a temporary breather on this image tag on June 22 when the deletion discussion was closed, but I don't see any obvious activity on retagging the affected images.  Other editors have stated their support for our efforts to retag and replace images with this tag as needed, so let's get on it and not let them down. 
If we drop the ball on this task, then we may find that the images using this tag will be deleted.  I plan to take a further look myself into the list this week (I had just left on my own summer vacation when the deletion discussion was closed).  Please help out by retagging or replacing images as appropriate.  AdThanksVance.  Slambo (Speak) 19:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Task reminder: {{tl|Trainweb}} 

message: My father told me that he thinks Finland is the only country in the world to have trains that transport both cars and their passengers. Drivers drive their cars onto the train, and then board normal passenger cars themselves. At their destination, they drive their cars off the train. This concept is so simple that I would be amazed if it only existed in Finland. Surely there must be other countries as well? JIP | Talk 19:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Amtrak still operates Auto Train. Slambo (Speak) 19:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Intermodal passenger transport#Auto trains pretty much answered my question. Thanks! JIP | Talk 19:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Car transport trains