Talk:Mongolia Proper

message: I think what is meant in this article is Greater Mongolia. Greater Mongolia seems to also be the much more common english term (is there even a term for Mongolia proper in Mongolian?). I propose to put the list from this article into the intro sentence of that other article, and delete this one. Any objections?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaan (talk • contribs) 
:What is Mongolia proper? The Mongol territories were not defined until the Qing dynasty, so I suggest this list be deleted or renamed.--Amban 04:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is English for "Mengjiang", not for the puppet-state, but for territories with Mongols residing traditionally, which makes it "Mongol proper". The areas have some Mongol legislature in some kind. Greater Mongolia would tend to Great Tartary including Kazakhstan, Uzbekstan and many other.--Dagvadorj  —Preceding comment was added at 09:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the Moment, the Greater Mongolia article deals exactly with those areas that are inhabited by Mongols, and I tend to think this also is the correct definition of Greater Mongolia in English. I never came across the term Mongol proper, so I suspect it is a neologism. Again, is there even a Mongolian term for it? Yaan 09:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK I agree on that, though let's extend Greater Mongolia article! It must explain areas in detail. Dagvadorj 09:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps the terms "Greater Mongolia" and "Mongolia Proper" just as any "Greater something" and "something Proper" are very-very context-sensitive. The article should start with a statement defining the context. Then we'll be able to contribute. Gantuya eng 05:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

message: If Mongol proper and Greater Mongolia are identical regions, I would suggest merging it. If they aren't, I'd leave the article in place, although I might change the intro text from "Mongol proper refers to:" to "Mongol proper encompasses the following areas:". As the text appears now, it suggests that "Mongol proper" has several different meanings, which would be slightly confusing to the average English reader, as using the term "proper" in this context conveys a very specific area. Justin chat 11:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the two articles clearly talk about the same thing, so I added the respective merge tags. And although I'm not technically a native English speaker, the word "proper" implies something specific and concrete, and not just an abstract concept like this here. "Mongolia Proper" would normally be the country of Mongolia, in contrast to the rest of Greater Mongolia. I've never before seen "Mongolia Proper" being used as a synonym for "Greater Mongolia". Because of that, I suggest that after the information has been merged, this page is made into a redirect to Mongolia --Latebird (talk) 09:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Opinion 

message: The geographic name is Mongolia, not Mongol. It should be Mongolia Proper. Also I'll delete some regions that I don't think part of Mongolia Proper. Gantuya eng (talk) 11:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change