Talk:Aché

message: It's impossible to support Stroessner in just about anything, but the language - the diction, the connotations - in this article is simply not encyclopedic. Sources quoted are clearly far on the left. Zafiroblue05 06:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've revised the article and amplified sources. Care to make specific additional suggestions? --Carwil 18:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc.

message: This article is part of the NPOV backlog. Since the disputed text seems to have been edited, and there has been no discussion suggesting further disagreement, the tag is removed. If you disagree with this, please re-tag the article with  and post to Talk. -- Steve Hart 20:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote much of this article, based on 1970's & indigenous movement sources which predate Phillippe Edeb's writing, with the exception of the bit on LINAJE. I appreciate others who are more knowledgeable to fill in the rest.--Carwil 15:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV cleanup 

message: From Jonathan Padwe (jonathan.padweATyale.edu): 
As someone who lived in the Ache community of Arroyo Bandera for over 3 years (1994-1997), it is clear to me that this page contains a heavy bias towards the views of anthropologist Philippe Edeb, who has been quite critical of the work of Hill, Hurtado, the FMB, and most others who have sought to work with the Aché.  There are legitimate concerns about many of the interventions into Aché society by outsiders, but this article fails to do justice to the complex cultural and historical forces that have influenced the role of outsiders in the lives of the Aché.  As an increasingly fluent Aché speaker during the years I lived there, and probably one of only three to five truly fluent non-Ache speakers of the language at that time, I was not impressed by the ability of any outsider to understand their situation with the exception of the missionaries at Ypetevy, Hill and Hurtado, and, at times, the Catholic missionaries working with them.  All of these outsiders were aligned with factions within the communities, and perhaps the most isolated and least generally respected of these outsiders were those aligned with the views described in this article, and especially of Edeb, who, in my opinion, was barely tolerated by the people he claimed to work with.
Furthermore, the discussion of genocide cites non-experts with no in-depth knowledge of the crisis.  Indeed, in depth study of the political campaign arranged around the issue by Richard ARens, Mark Munzel and others demonstrates inconsistency, contradiction, and fabrication.  This does not absolve the Paraguayan government or the international community of their role in facilitating the destruction of the Aché. However, the Aché genocide can only be understood within the context of the larger issue of the extermination of indigenous people throughout the Americas.  And certainly the story of this difficult chapter in the history of the Aché should not be told without including the voices of the Aché themselves.
 72.224.141.37 15:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  10 May 2007 

message: Who's advancing this argument. Let's name them, "others" is nebulous.
:Others, however, claim that the Global Forest Coalition allegations are poorly documented and have little bearing on reality. With the almost complete destruction of Paraguay's forest outside the reserve area, the notion that Aché nomadism could be continued is unrealistic at best. Claims of biopiracy overlook the fact that the employment of Aché in identifying forest resources was at the center of an attempt to involve the Aché in the management of the natural resources they continue to rely on, and which they continue to hold rights to, within the reserve. Finally, the idea that the creation of the nature reserve drove the Aché into the hands of missionaries is ludicrous, at best; by providing the Aché with non-missionary derived outlets for livelihood, it seems likely that the creation of the reserve lessened the missionaries' power over the Aché.
--Carwil 18:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV paragraph needs someone who's POV it is 

message: Look, I actually agree that Stroessner was awful and it would be hard for any sensible person to come to a different conclusion about Paraguay's aboriginals other than that they were pretty badly hosed.  But, NPOV remarks about the Colorado Party (even if I happen to agree with them), unsourced allegations about something not being genocide that look like they are there as a redit of someone's allegations of genocide... these are all good indicators that the rest of the article is not generally to be trusted. 134.58.253.57 (talk) 09:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Not even remotely neutral

message: Another editor removed this passage from the article. I'm going to put it here on the talk page just in case anyone can find references for the material. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriage practices

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