Talk:Atlantic slave trade

message: This article is a shame. It just tries to allocate African slavery to Spain and Portugal, whereas the involvement of Spain in slavery was residual, and Portugal, although higher, not at all comparable with England and the Netherlands. These countries were the main drivers of and profited from that slave trade (not to speak about the genocide of Indians, whose rights -up to the standards of the times- were recognized and respected by the Spaniards. 2A01:C22:85D3:8100:B340:94FD:6BE0:ED8F (talk) 12:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, as far as the Atlantic trade goes, Portugal was the single largest slave-trader and Brazil, Portugal's colony, the single largest destination. Portugal started earlier than anyone else and continued up through the mid-19th century after other countries had abolished it. Britain was #2, overtaking Portugal in the 1730s but abolishing the trade in 1807. Spain was lower but that is because it used other nations to ship slaves to its colonies, and also relied on indigenous labour systems like the encomienda. LastDodo (talk) 17:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That is simply not true. England and the Netherlands. Also France. Encomiendas were far from being real slavery (at least by the standards of those times), and abolished forty years after the discovery of America, practically at the same time that the employment of (very limited compared with others) slave African labour was terminated. Not comparable with Dutch and English (also French...) practices continuing well into the 19th century (Notwithstanding the fact that the South African regime that lasted till the end of the XX century or the US segregation that lasted till the second half of that century are directly inherited from those English and Dutch noble gentlemen. Black legend, black legend. Again: look at how many african descent people are there in Spanish former colonies compared to US, Canada, and (French and Dutch) Antilles. That is black legend. 2A01:C22:905D:9700:6DC7:9094:EBFE:636 (talk) 13:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia bases article content on published reliable sources. Provide some which directly state what you are claiming. this is not a forum for debate. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:50, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

text: There are a number of errors and misunderstandings there, however I do not see it as my responsibility to continue to educate some random person on Wikipedia who hasn't bothered to create a username. I will however defend the points I made, but it is not clear you actually challenged any of them. Are you denying Portugal was the largest slave trader? Are you denying Brazil, Portugal's colony, was the single largest destination? Are you denying Portugal began earlier than anyone else and continued up into the mid-19th century? Are you denying Spain used other countries to ship slaves to its colonies, or that it used other labour systems? Spain only abolished slavery in its colony Cuba in 1886. Brazil, Portugal's former colony, only abolished it in 1888. LastDodo (talk) 14:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I need no education from a not less random person despite having created a username. Just read what I wrote, please, and try to comprehend. That is all. 2A01:C22:8D41:6400:49F3:B82C:1D:26D3 (talk) 08:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I read and comprehend, but what you wrote is mostly based on misunderstandings. You have ignored my questions, so I am going to stop now. As AndytheGrump says, if you want to make changes to the article you need to provide reliable sources. Put up or.. be quiet. LastDodo (talk) 10:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It so crazy that no one ask about the 500,000 irish slaves or the 4 million slaviv slaves that came to America during so called Atlantic slave trade.? 98.33.104.78 (talk) 01:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It is similarly insane that historians won't acknowledge the 1,896,223 unicorns that fought in the United States revolution or the role of squonks in the Pennsylvania legislature! Dumuzid (talk) 01:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black legend bulls...t 

message: On wich plantation were they worship? 102.221.220.82 (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Under the "Conditions of Slavery on Plantations..." section, there's a good bit of text that doesn't meet Wikipedia standards:
1. Enslaved teenage girls gave birth at the ages of fifteen or sixteen years old, and sometimes younger. 2. Enslaved women gave birth in their early twenties. 3. To meet the demands of slaveholders' needs to birth more slaves, enslaved girls and women had seven or nine children, and sometimes more. 4. Enslaved girls and women were forced to give birth to as many slaves as possible, but only a few babies birthed survived. 
The first sentence is just not informative. The second sentence, which sort of contradicts the first one -- women gave birth in their early 20s -- isn't remarkable today, much less for most of recorded history. The third sentence mentions a birth rate on par with American women at the time. The fourth is illogical. How does the population grow from 400k to 4 million by 1860 if "only a few babies birthed survived?" And the citation listed contains anecdotes and individual stories, not raw data.
Urbansiberia (talk) 05:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to Conditions of Slavery on Plantations...