Talk:Battle of Fontenoy

message: I was surprised not to see Fontenoy wikilinked to an article on the village. I tried to find one, and there are several Fontenoys listed in various parts of France, but none of them is the right one, as of 2016-05-26. The correct one appears to be the Fontenoy near Antoing in Belgium. If the article gets created in the future, can someone pls link it? -dmmaus (talk) 01:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: No article on the village of Fontenoy

message: I took a look at this for GA nomination and in my opinion, the article is too long. Its one of the earlier ones so that makes sense and I know from personal experience its always hard to leave out detail. Stuff the author finds interesting doesn't help if no one reads it.
I've done Lauffeld and Dettingen so I'm happy to have a go. I'll start with the Background - its a lot easier to comment on actual edits rather than proposed.
Robinvp11 (talk) 18:14, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Now done Robinvp11 (talk) 11:10, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating 

message: Tidied citations and references, auto ed, occasional wayward punctuation. Anyone know who MacDonogh 1999 is? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 14:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  CE 

message: When you reversed this, you undid all the work I'd done. Thanks for that. Always a good idea to read the TP first.
First, thanks for the various updates etc - even when I don't agree :), it's always useful to go back and revise/take another look. I hope you'll notice I've rewritten, or removed, a lot of my own material as well.
Statement of principle; just because you can include detail, doesn't mean you should. Two things to bear in mind;
(a) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; it has to be concise, so not everything can be included; and 
(b) It's online. Wikipedia stats show 60% of users only read the Lead, and almost the same % do so via a mobile device. What that means is too much detail and they don't read any of the article; so adding stuff is not cost free. Its called 'Bite-size' and should be a concept familiar to anyone working online. 
I seem to be unusual in thinking about the User (probably because I design online Learning solutions). I want people to read articles I work on, so I spend a lot of time trying to condense - if you look at any of my articles, I'm constantly removing stuff interesting to me, but not really central.  
When adding anything, I'm asking myself "What does it tell the reader they need to know about this event?" eg the Irish Brigade charge contributed to victory, and their casualties help to underscore that, but what's the relevance of their war cry?
Happy to discuss. Robinvp11 (talk) 12:22, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update Lead and others 

message: I was able to find several possible names for this person (as only the surname is listed in the artice) in Dutch books from the late 18th century, although the rank doesn't appear to match, including one person who appears to have died during the battle (Gerardus Fortuin):
* Nederlandsch Geslacht- Stam- en Wapen-Boek, ... met ... Registers ... door J. Kok. Deel 1, 2. Letter A-E. (1785)
* Adelyk en Aanzienelyk wapen-boek van de zeven provincien: waar by gevoegt zyn een groot aantal genealogien van voornaame Adelyke en Aanzienelyke familien. Uit veele oude stukken in deeze order gebragt, Volume 1 (1760)
* Nederlandsch Geslacht- Stam- en Wapen-Boek: waarin voorkomen de voornaamste adelyke en aanzienlyke familiën in de zeven vereenigde provinciën (1785)
Is there any further investigation that can be done on this matter? HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 13:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: He's Hanoverian so German-language sources might be more helpful - should be "von Wendt", so I've corrected the Infobox. He appears in the 1729 Hanoverian Order of Battle as a Brigadier and may be related to Amalie von Wendt, who was mistress to George II for 25 years. The Wendt family had a long history of political and military service to the German state into the 20th century, so should be possible to track him down.Robinvp11 (talk) 18:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of General de Wendt 

message: Nous étions répousser sans être battus et presentement notre retraite precipitée nous donne l'air de gens battus. (...) Outre de timidité il y a encore cela de mauvais qu'on a abandonné bon nombre de fourage et beaucoup de blessés. Je dois rendre au pr. de Waldek la justice qu'il a fort desapprouvé cette retraite.
We were repulsed without being beaten and now our hasty retreat makes us look like beaten people. (...) Besides timidity there is also the bad thing that we have left a lot of the baggage and many wounded. I must do Pr. de Waldeck the justice that he has strongly disapproved of this retreat DavidDijkgraaf (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could someone check this from French to English translation? 

message: This is what van Nimwegen describes
The 9th the allies stood about 10 kilometer south-east from the besieged city. Their route was blocked by the main French force at Fontenoy. The allied army had grown because of recent reinforcements to about 46,000 men. The French were about 50,000 men stron. Maurice de Saxe had additionally thrown up a line of redoubts in front of his troops, which were not to easy to break trough without heavy guns. The Allies however only possesed three and six pounders. CRONSTRÖM gave Waldeck the advice to to trouble the besiegers by taking up a position close to them, but Waldeck and Cumberland wanted to attack as soon as possible.(page 222)
And this is from P.J. Blok, P.C. Molhuysen in Nieuw Nederlandsch biografisch woordenboek. Deel 1
in this rank he took part in the battle of Fontenoy in 1745; either through misunderstanding or misplaced initiative, he gave rise here to a less favourable decision of the battle. Indeed, C. should have attacked the village of Antoing on the extreme left wing, but only did so on repeated and personal orders from the Prince of Waldeck. DavidDijkgraaf (talk) 14:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cronström 

message: "before retreating 180 kilometres (110 mi) to Ath" - looking on the map, 20 kilometers might be correct. If you march 180 kilometers from Fontenay to the east, you're nearly in Aix-la-Chapelle! 195.128.10.106 (talk) 14:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distance to Ath