Talk:Saint John's School of Alberta

message: Th similarities to this school - at least in the past - to the abuse within Indian Residential Schools is frightening.  With the enrollment dwindling, one can only hope this last of 3 schools will be forced to close sooner than later! People and institutions do change, but they should at least acknowledge their pasts.  I started with this on a school project because I met someone who told me that he's attended a school every bit as nasty and awful as the Indian Residential Schools.  He appears to be correct. Fremte 18:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC
I quote from the Wikipedia guidelines "Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views." Comparison to the Residential Schools is dead wrong and opinion. Please respect the guidelines before spouting off your opinion. Enrollment at the remaining school is not dwindling. The Alberta school has evolved. It is well-funded. Students attend by choice. All three schools have some distinguished and not-so-distinguished alumni who very much appreciate their experience.SJSlug 02:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree re comparison: run by religious groups, excessive discipline, admissions by founders as excessive, lawsuits regarding past conduct. It appeared pretty objective when I did the project. There are residential school students who also feel their experiences were positive.  If you want to use a different adjective in place of "dwindling", perhaps "decreasing".  If you have some information to expand these articles about the schools please do.  I never intended to offend anyone and still do not.  With respect, Fremte 17:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually it's not for debating personal views.  Rather it is for discussing the article's contents.  My understanding of wikipedia has grown since the post 18 months ago that started this thread per WP:NOTSOAPBOX, not posting personal opinions.  Things in articles need to be referenced.  If there are things that need changes, you are free to do so, as long as they meet policies.  --Fremte (talk) 15:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison to Indian Residential Schools 

message: Okay, so kinda new to this. But here goes. The article on Wiki is largely anti-SJSA, which is fine, I suppose, but does not fit the unbiased content that Wikipedia was created for. If you want to put up a hate story about the school, get your own website or Facebook group - I have a few stories that could help. As for Wiki, lets keep it to the facts. I went to this school for three years and ran away (not to return) part way through a year so I can write from both the 'I hated it' POV and the objective twenty-years-later-POV. With this in mind, I have made changes to the intro article which was heavily biased. Yes, the school had corporal punishment but that should hardly take up 50% of the introduction to this article. There were also (updated edit notes as I did this) references that were written with clear bias... like the 'Coroner could not assign criminal...'  This is a biased statement and unless you have a reference that suggests that the coroner in fact WANTED to assign criminal charges of negligence, than it is dishonest to imply that in your edits. SJSA was, for sure, a source for controversy. Writing a biased article about the school to forward your agenda does not allow the controversy to play out. It becomes a case of the 'truth' being written but the loudest idiot.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.255.56.101 (talk) 02:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exceptions to the Obvious BIAS 

message: Please edit factually and there will be no quibbles from Fremte. Others will review changes also it seems. Maybe fill in details of other related articles also.  Probably these are all only of limited interest anyway, though this one might be the most popular because this school still exists.  The others are Company of the Cross and the other St John's school articles.  Re invite to visit the school, been there.  Fremte (talk) 04:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re Exceptions to text 

message: This will ultimately need to be summarized in narrative, article form, and the original quotations put into Wikisource with references from the article to here.  This will be a pretty big job I think. --Fremte (talk) 16:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotations of material 

message: The following is in reference #5:Company of the Cross. "St. John's/Company of the Cross Annual Report", 1971. "In legal fact the company is two companies, each operated under the auspices of an Anglican bishop, one in Manitoba under the bishop of Rupert’s Land, the other in Alberta under the bishop of Edmonton. Since the bishops renew the members in the company’s service annually, they could presumably dissolve the company by refusing to admit new members.... Each time the one of the company’s activities raises public question or controversy ... the bishops find themselves assailed with the same questions: Are these people part of the church, or are they not, and if they are what controls does the church have over them? 
The relationship is thus documented and referenced.  --Fremte (talk) 22:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship to bishops 

message: Reading the article, some copyeditting is probably in order.  This is not the same as altering referenced facts however, which is what happend with edits by Sgbotsford.  Will AGF and see how any further edits progress. --Fremte (talk) 22:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone tag

message: On July 14th, 2008, the acting head master, Peter Jackson, posted a notice on the school's website that the school will be closed for the 2008- 2009 year. He cited a lack of instructors and a lack of students as the reason.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.181.176.179 (talk) 18:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  School closure 

message: Fremte made most of the corrections that I pointed out.  I have added some things back in regarding the core philosophy of the school, and a more correct version of the various fatalities that have occurred at the school.  I will be adding references as I find them. I am optimistic, especially after looking at Fremte's profile page that as reasonable people we can come up with an accurate and balanced presentation of the school including the dark sides of it's past. 74.127.205.116 (talk) 13:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: quote: "dark sides of it's past."
It might say that it is all past now that this school is closed. From the read of this article and the related schools, it could be fairly & objectively, that this is a good thing - imagine such terrible behavior towards children!  The teacher sgbotsford has a bias that is obvious.  The edits by unlogged in people should be given substantially less credibility as those that are named one would think. I am really a new person at this, and will create a user name right away. I am Herb McMillan from New Brunswick, Canada and I have no connection with this school. 204.244.210.173 (talk) 04:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: YOU "have a bias that is obvious"! It would be POV to express a view in Wikipedia as to whether the school's closure (or anything else) is a good or bad thing. What you think is "terrible", others clearly thought was beneficial.Alarics (talk) 08:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits 

message: This can be restored if it is not in comment format and has a reference.  Frankly, all of these headings about specific people appear troublesome -- the contributors appear to be acquainted with them.  Referencing these sections is appropriate therefore. Respectfully --Fremte (talk) 18:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved what seems to be a comment here 

message: There are enough contributions from people connected with the school, that I wonder if we should consider a review per this link. --Fremte (talk) 18:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Considering a "request for review" 

message: I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
::This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:
::#There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved
::#It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given
::#In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:49, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing POV tag with no active discussion per [[Template:POV]] 

message: I would like to talk about St.Johns and how this has affected my life. I have stories of the abuse I have seen and endured myself. The emotional strain has been tramatic and is and now still too this  day .. 2604:3D09:8B7E:74B0:E16E:D6C1:4B3C:56A7 (talk) 17:15, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid your personal experiences are not an apropriate subject for this page, which is solely concerned with improving the Wikipedia article about the school. -- Alarics (talk) 22:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shane bonetz 

message: Looking for names of students and teachers for the years 1982-84 2604:3D09:8B7E:74B0:D099:98EC:FD4E:AF5C (talk) 22:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni