Talk:Brickyard 400

message: Because the most important information appears at the top of articles in good writing, descending as it goes on, I would like to know why commentators and pit reporters have been deemed to be the most important people in the history of this race. It seems immensely wrong that representatives of the media, and at that a heavy emphasis of only one stream of the media, is given priority over competitors. And team owners. And crew chiefs. And senior race officials. And staff of IMS and other race organisers. And print media. And electronic media. And...
I additionally note the above merger discussion actually favoured deletion over the merger that actually took place. --Falcadore (talk) 23:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really a fix. Nowhere in the content is it explained why this is of particular significance to the article. It is not explained why this is essential information necessary to the understanding of the topic, and not trivia. --Falcadore (talk) 03:33, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The most recent discussion about including television information in race info pages was done HERE. You seem to be continuing your one-man fight against TV information of all sorts. Consensus appears to tilt against your view. The "discussion" above shows the only editor in favor of deletion was yourself. I respectfully think the tagging, and the anti-effort is unnecessary. But I'm not going to make a fight out of it.Doctorindy (talk) 16:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The level of debate seemed to be "who died and left me in charge". Wasn't exactly the most well reasoned debate in history, and some of the reasons given weren't relevant. --Falcadore (talk) 20:58, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Television and media 

message: What are we going to do with the name of the article? Are we going to name it Crown Royal Presents the Your Name Here 400 (the same as Richmond's, which needs to be changed) or Crown Royal 400? Also some ideas for the Richmond article would be nice. -- Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs) 21:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While WP:COMMONNAME doesn't apply to most NASCAR races, think it would to this one. --Falcadore (talk) 22:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually the Crown Royal Your Hero's Name Here 400 at the Brickyard (so it's slightly different than the Richmond title). The news releases do not seem to be clear on how long this sponsorship arrangement is. Chances are it's longer than one year; if it's just one time, it seems like overkill to move it. Now, in the past, NASCAR race articles have been routinely moved to the current sponsor name with the generic/common name rendered only to a redirect page. Crown Royal Your Hero's Name Here 400 at the Brickyard is currently a re-direct page, and moving it the proper way would be difficult. I suggest keeping it as it is for now, and re-assess when it comes time closer to the event. Doctorindy (talk) 16:23, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's completely fine with me. I was going to wait for the name of the Richmond race (which currently doesn't have a sponsor) and rename it so these races will not be confused. -- Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs) 20:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't a large part of NASCAR races changing names when sponsors change largely because they don't have a satisfactory in use Common name? Strikes me this is the same debate as a recent one about the 24 Hours of Daytona and should be rejected for the same reason. --Falcadore (talk) 19:45, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally each track has a contract with sponsors for a race. Some are only one year, while others are longer (such as Ford Motor Company in the Ford Championship Weekend.) I wish they would stop using sponsors, but they need money to have the race. If it wasn't needed, it would be easier to keep track of NASCAR's races. -- Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs) 21:37, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But this is not one of those races is it? It has its own identity completely separate to individual sponsorships. Is the term Brickyard 400 far more common than individual sponsored identities? If so, and it certainly seems that way to me, it should not be moved. --Falcadore (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying to figure out how long the contract with Crown Royal is. This says it could be a multi-year contract. By the way, what was the articles name around 2007-2009 when Allstate had the sponsor? -- Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs) 01:22, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was moved to its current name from Allstate 400 at the Brickyard, in July 2009. Doesn't change my opinion mind you. If a common name does exist, then transitory sponsored names should not be used. --Falcadore (talk) 02:21, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it could stay Brickyard 400. It shouldn't matter. Brickyard 400 should be more common. -- Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs) 02:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The NASCAR race name situation is much like the bowl game situation. Over the years, most of the bowl games have gone to exclusive sponsor names, supplanting the "common" name. For instance, the Peach Bowl is now known as the Chick-fil-A Bowl, and despite over 40 years of having the common/generic name "Peach Bowl," it was moved on Wiki to the sponsor name because that IS the official name of the game now. Likewise, some of the newer bowl games, which never really had a common name, go straight to be known as sponsored names on wiki. Contrast that with the Discover Orange Bowl, which still uses the common name in its title...it is located on wiki at Orange Bowl, since the common name is still recognized to some extent. WIth that in mind, I think this page should stay at Brickyard 400, since there is some outside precident. Doctorindy (talk) 18:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we going to leave it "Crown Royal Presents the Your Hero's Name Here 400 at the Brickyard" even though we wanted to keep Brickyard 400? -- Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs) 03:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
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:Verizon 200 →  – This article should be focused on the race that took place on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway oval from 1994-2020. It should be moved back to it's common name, and info about the new-for-2021 race on the IMS road course should be split into it's own article. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 7 September 2021 

message: I propose that sections concerning races at the Indianapolis road course be split into a separate page called Brickyard 200. I believe that both primary and secondary sources support the notion that the 2021 event was "the inaugural running of the Verizon 200 at the Brickyard", and that the move from the oval to the road course resulted in the series "[losing] a crown jewel".  GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 21:51, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: After a search through the page history I found this 12:23, 9 November 2020 edit to be the first that changed the race from the oval to the road course. The result of this proposed history split would be to make that 12:23, 9 November 2020 edit the oldest edit in the Verizon 200 page history, and this 03:45, 3 November 2020 version would be the most recent version of the Brickyard 400 article. The deleted :File:Bigmachine400-logo-scaled.jpg could be restored as the last logo of the 400-on-oval version of the race, and the lead sentence would be edited to say "The Brickyard 400 iswas an annual  NASCAR Cup Series points race..." along with other edits describing the fate of that race and pointing to the Verizon 200 article as its successor. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:47, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The suggestion made above...."In other words move this to NASCAR Cup Series at Indianapolis Motor Speedway since you now have a race that isn't sure whether it's a 200, 400, or both"....might be the best solution for the time being. The term "Brickyard 200" has never been used in any reliable or official source. Doctorindy↔Talk 14:29, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Split Absolutely agree with splitting. IMS itself views the 400 and 200 as different events and even calls the 2021 event the inaugural.  https://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com/news-multimedia/news/2021/08/16/aj-allmendinger-nascar-verizon-200?startrow=1 KD0710 (talk) 16:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting proposal