Talk:Mid-Sha'ban

message: Thats all I know about the night.. More help is needed! --Irishpunktom\talk 11:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: help

message: The narration that Irishpunktom pasted is not authentic. And the translation of Laylatul Qadr to "the night of power" is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shafi3i (talk • contribs) 19:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As I've stated elsewhere, a significant amount of people refer to it as such, and that is reason enough for it's inclusion. --Irishpunktom\talk 11:52, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  narration 

message: I have made a few changes to this page. First of all 15th Shabaan is not interpreted as the Night of Power, the Night of Power is universally accepted as the day the Qur'an was first revealed, and this occured in the last ten days of Ramadan, hence the importance of that month. Second the traditional celebration of Shab-e-Br'aat is mainly observed in the Indian subcontinent, it is very rarely celebrated in traditional Arabic countries, so I have changed the line 'All Muslims...' to 'Some Muslims...'
M2k41 20:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit as of 21st May 2006

message: In the Islamic Events part of the Sha'aban page, it uses the other transliteration for this particular night. I've created the link for it, which redirects to the Mid-Sha'ban page, but I wish it were redirected to a more specific section within the page, something like "Night before Mid-Sha'ban" or "Eve of Mid-Sha'ban". Right now, the most suitable place seems to be the "Traditional Observance" section, but doesn't that describe the day-time activities? This is just a thought, I leave it to you to perform any changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fshafique (talk • contribs) 09:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shab-e-Br'aat or Shab-e-Barat

message: Putting SAWS, or "Allah bless him and give him peace", or some other form after the name of the Prophet is unnecessary innovation, is it not? --Bejnar 23:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SAWS

message: Paul O. said "The inclusion of an obvious attack on Shia interpretation at the beginning of the article is not helpful."  I missed it.  Where is this attack?  --Bejnar 18:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here they are misinterpreting Shia view "This hadith is very weak and many scholars advise praying in this night for any special prayers or Dua or any belief that the dead return is false and should not be followed".  No sir, Shia do not consider this hadith as very weak.  Even we Sunni consider it hasan.  Only Wahhabies consider this view wrong. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Attack on Shia interpretation

message: I added changes using Dr. Jibaly's book. There is an authentic hadeeth talking about the virtues of 15th shab'baan. It has several chains and even if they are weak, the hadeeth would atleast be Hasan. However, the hadeeth only speaks about something that is common for every last third of the night. Perhaps people misundersood the hadeeth and perhaps missed the important part of it: "Allaah forgives all of His creation, except for a mushrik or a quarreler"
Thus, the emphasis should not be on excessive worship or odd celebrations. But rather, we should focus on remove Shirk from our belief and try to make peace and unite with the rest of the Ummah
and Allaah knows best  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.209.149 (talk) 14:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem comes when a religion is all about destroying another religion.  Wahhabism movement was all about attacking Sunni and Shia beliefs.  Here on wikipedia they continue to delete all Shia and Sunni views and impose wahhabi views as Islamic views.  Naturally there is retaliation from Shias and Sunnies. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 12:41, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: I have edited the claims that only the Wahhabi/Salafis deem Shabe Baraah as bid'ah. It is also seen as an innovation according to many subcontinental Hanafi scholars.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.178.26 (talk) 22:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wahhabies are predominently ghair-muqallid i.e. follower of no Imams, although they claim to be Shaf'ai.  However majority of Shaf'ai are not Wahhabies, and lot of Hanafies are also Wahhabies.  The most famous one being Maulvi Ismail the translator of Ibn Abdul Wahhab's books into Urdu. The problem is, that although Wahhabies are minorities, they are very resourceful due to their oil wealth, and very vocal, and stake the claim that only they are real Sunni and only they are real Muslims Hassanfarooqi (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Wahhabi/Salafi

message: Muslims in some Islamic countries(Pakistan, India, etc) have been misguided by scholars into believing that night of 15th Shaban is very sacred, and should be given great reverence.  They go so far that such false information / claims as below, are openly published by daily newspapers on this day:
1. Allah (s.w.t) descends to a lower heaven, and/or earth.
2. It is the night of forgiveness.
3. Important decisions are made on this night.
4. etc, etc...
The trend, it seems, is to create a competition between the Laila tul Qadr (a night of Ramadan, see ending) and this night of 15th Shaban.  Various Sayings of Syedna Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) are cited for their case by some unwise scholars in support of this night.
These misleading arguments in favour of 15th Shaban (which are completely against the essence of Islam and therefore sinful) can be disproved easily as under:
First of all, all qualities attributed to 15th Shaban are those which the Holy Quran strictly says belong to the Laila tul Qadr.  There is no room for any doubt, since  there is a distinct Chapter (Surah Al Qadr, No.98) specifically revealed to magnify the importance of Laila tul Qadr.  It clearly mentions that angels and Gabriel descend with instructions and decisions on "all matters" on this night of Laila tul Qadr.
Secondly, If everything is done on 15th Shaban, then what is the purpose of Laila tul Qadr ?...one may ask.
Thirdly, as Syedna Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was the most obedient servant of Allah (s.w.t) and also the ultimate teacher of the Holy Quran to mankind and Ummah, how could he create a controversy by declaring the 15th of Shaban equal to Laila tul Qadr ?  He could never have ordered equal importance to be given to these two nights, in contrast to his own duties and stature.
PLEADING TO ALL MUSLIMS:
There is no restriction on praying on 15th Shaban, and Muslims are free to do so on this night or any other night, but its totally against the teaching of the Holy Quran and Syedna Prophet Mohammad (pbuh)to assign the qualities and reverence of Laila tul Qadr to any other date.  Praying on just one Laila tul Qadr is better then praying for 1000 months (or 83.3 years) !
Laila tul Qadr is a gift from Allah (s.w.t) to mankind.  By revealing to us the existence of such a tremendous night, Allah (s.w.t) has bestowed a great great mercy on us all. Please do not waste it or try to diminish it in any way whatsoever.
Laila tul Qadr is the real night of importance in Islam, on which Holy Quran descended, and during which all Muslims must pray and give it its due importance, and not 15th Shaban.    
One may pray on 15the Shaban too, but not thinking it is in any way equal to Laila tul Qadr (naoozobillah!). If one wants to celebrate, do so on Laila tul Qadr.
To confirm above please kindly refer to the following sections in the Holy Quran:
a) Surah-98 Al Qadr, 
b) Surah-2 Al Baqrah (verse 2-185)
c) Surah-44 (opening verses).
Wikiuser20000 (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The only misguiding comes from people of Nejd (Wahhabies).  Our prophet had warned that the devil will raise his horn from that soil, and anti-christ (dajjal) will attack the holy lands from there.  There are many more ahadith against Nejd that are deleted with the power of oil wealth.  With this tremendous oil wealth, the Nejdies are hijacking Islam and making it a terrorist cult. True Islam is now found only outside Gulf countries. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 12:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assigning importance of Laila tul Qadr to 15th Shaban is un-Islamic ! 

message: How many fasting should we keep fasting in the Baraat ?
 Nashrin Naseem (talk) 06:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Baraat fasting 

message: So contrary to what the editors above are saying, these are the exact same thing. Shab-e-Bara(t)/Mid-Sha'ban/Nisfu Sha'ban/Laylatul Bara(t) etc. are all just various names for the same festival. At the moment then, Wikipedia confusingly has two articles for the same thing. The content of the two articles is also strikingly similar.
The reason however why some editors objected to the mergers is that they are confusing the difference in celebration between Sunnis and Shi'ites - Sunni celebrate 15th Sha'ban due to certain traditions in their collections and statements from their jurists emphasising the night, the closeness to God in the night etc. Muslims are spread out throughout the world, hence the difference in customs in celebrating the night (regional variations of the same festival do NOT merit a seperate article contrary to what the editors above opine - they can easily be included in seperate sections and sub-sections of one article). 
Shi'a Muslims however have an additional reason to celebrate it - that is that the 12th Imam, Imam Mahdi was born on this night. For Shi'ites then, the night has significance as it relates to their central beliefs in Imamah and Ghaybah that differentiates them from the Sunnis.
This is simply a denominational variation on the reason for the celebration, not unlike the celebration of Ashura which similarly has differing traditions between Sunni and Shi'a. However, again denominational differences do not warrant a seperate article, and making seperate articles simply makes things confusing. 
It would be like having multiple articles for Christmas - something we do not do for obvious reasons! 
I propose one article, with adequate explanation of the denominational nuances in celebration, as well as room for any regional customs. ParthikS8 (talk) 23:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Support Wiki N Islam (talk) 12:38, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shab-e-Barat and Mid-Sha'ban are the same thing but...