Talk:Severn Valley Railway

message: Although closed I think it would be appropriate to include a mention of Eardington Halt. It enjoys the benefit of a group of volunteers that try to keep it tidy and is the stabling point for several wagons which the Permanent Way department use. In answer to the request by Beeurd on 7 September 2005, I have started adding articles about some of the stations north of the current terminus at Bridgnorth.--7severn7 12:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was quite dissapointed not to see any information about the old Severn Valley branch as it was, which ran from Hartlbury Junction through Stourport and along the current preserved route from Bewdley and out past Bridgnorth. I don't know enough about the line to be able to complete an article myself, however.--Beeurd 13:13, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's something I'd like to see as well, though I also don't know enough about the line's past history to do so. (And I live in Bewdley!)
I've entered some stuff about various stations beyond Bridgnorth which you might like to read, edit or add to.--7severn7 13:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eardington Halt

message: Would it be sensible to use the name "Kidderminster Town" rather than simply "Kidderminster" for the SVR station, given the existence of Kidderminster National Rail station just a short distance away? As I understand it the "Town" designation was traditionally used by the GWR to indicate the closer station to the town centre (which the SVR station is... just!), and the name is quite often used in the local press (I live in Bewdley), but on the other hand the SVR website refers to the station simply as "Kidderminster". I haven't changed the article itself, as I'm not sure about the official status or otherwise of the "Town" name. Loganberry (Talk) 00:56, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to this - the GWR-style board outside the station listing SVR stops calls it "Kidderminster Town"... but then it leaves out Country Park Halt altogether! Loganberry (Talk) 23:09, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the SVR station is known as Kidderminster Town. As for Country Park Halt - the station was added a few years ago and they probably never got round to changing the board.--Beeurd 13:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kidderminster Town 

message: Quoting to the offical SVR webpage:
:Incidentally, to complete the record, the railway land north of Bridgnorth has been sold, and there is now no possibility of Severn Valley trains reaching Ironbridge and Shrewsbury ever again. 
So the list of stations north of Bridgnorth (Ironbridge etc.) that has now had to be removed twice is definitely wishful thinking, and shouldn't be added back again! --RFBailey 15:10, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is no-longer a hot topic, and I suggest it takes up too much of the article. Globbet (talk) 21:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely disagree, there is no point removing or cutting down a perfectly well written and encyclopaedic section just for the sake of it. Jenuk1985 | Talk 21:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Encyclopaedic how? The section contains only one reference, for a start, and some of it at least verges on WP:POV. SVR is a longish article and I don't think this issue justifies the 10% of it that it currently occupies. The prominence given suggests that this is a matter of serious current debate, which it isn't, however much hot air it may generate. Globbet (talk) 01:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  North of Bridgnorth 

message: What do people think about doing an article on each station, as has been done for their National Rail equivalents? If even tiny unstaffed halts like Hartlebury can have them, then personally I don't see why not; most of them have plenty of history and interest behind them, after all. The reason this has crossed my mind is that someone else created one for Kidderminster Town, which I've done some minor expansion and correction of. Loganberry (Talk) 22:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would support such a move, although I have not checked what happens on other heritage lines. DonBarton 23:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are articles for each station on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway - and a look at Pickering railway station shows that there is also a suitable template available. So it looks like all systems go! Loganberry (Talk) 15:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: As an inclusionist, I have to agree. Let's rock and roll. HawkerTyphoon 23:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just written quick stubs for all the currently open SVR stations. Lots of expansion possible, of course, but hopefully it's a start. Loganberry (Talk) 17:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now swapped around the direction of travel on the infoboxes in those new articles, so that they match the Bridgnorth -> Kidderminster direction used in this article and its own list of stations. Loganberry (Talk) 22:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: And I see you have now done some of that; thanks! I think your contributions will need wikifying and a bit of cleaning up - for example, external links should be in references, not in the main body of the text - but there's definitely useful information there. Loganberry (Talk) 13:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I have cleaned up and expanded all station artlcles, added pictures ect, hope its all correct - if not feel free to change it --Greenfinch100 14:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Station articles? 

message: Does anybody know the names of ALL the stations which were originally between Bridgnorth and Shrewsbury? I only have knowlege of a few of them and would like to know where the rest of them were, what remains of them ect -- Cheers -- Greenfinch100 14:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Former stations

message: 4150 is a 2-6-2T. Please don't change it again mis-leading people. Follow the link.--7severn7 11:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Globbet (talk) 12:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Locomotives

message: This engine is not on your list of Locos. Is it not part of the Server Valley Railway?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nexus5 (talk • contribs) 13:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: GWR 4-6-0 6960 Raveningham Hall

message: I finally managed to do new map for page, would anyone like one done for the line north of b'north as well? Greenfinch100 15:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Maps

message: The placement of a bracket before or after a fullstop is often a subject of debate. My understanding is the present arrangement is that used most commonly left of the Atlantic whereas the previous grammar was that appropriate to the location of the articles subject. Always open to correction though. 7severn7 (talk) 07:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On a quick flip through The King's English and Modern English Usage I could find no advice on the matter, but observed that where Fowler has a whole sentence inside brackets, he puts the stop inside too. This makes sense to me, but I know nothing. Globbet (talk) 22:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

text: See this too wp:MOS#Sentences_and_brackets. Globbet (talk) 07:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Edits (September 2009)

message: I have amended the paragraph on acceptance lever working to read "The single line section between Bewdley South and Kidderminster is track circuited throughout and is signalled using acceptance lever". Since track circuiting is a must would it be better for it to read "The single line section between Bewdley South and Kidderminster is signalled using acceptance lever is therefore  track circuited throughout.7severn7 (talk) 09:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Signalling

message: The schematic diagram helps but it needs a legend.  I'd guess that extant structures are red while pink distinguishes structures which have been demolished or removed.  For readers not familiar with the area, a scale map is needed.  Regards, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 21:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route 

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message: This information is provided to support the statement that Bewdley Tunnel is the seventh longest tunnel on a UK Heritage Railway within Preservation. I have noted it here as I do not consider it warrants its own article.
The longest tunnels currently in use on preserved railway lines as listed on Wikipedia are as follows:
*1 Bluebell Railway: Sharpthorne Tunnel (731 yards)
*2 Gloucestershire Warwickshire Railway: Greet Tunnel (693 yards)
*3 Llangollen Railway: Berwyn Tunnel (689 yards)
*4 Nene Valley Railway: Wansford Tunnel (616 yards)
*5 Churnet Valley Railway: Cheddleton Tunnel (531 yards)
*6 Dartmouth Steam Railway: Greenway Tunnel (495 yards)
*7 Severn Valley Railway: Bewdley Tunnel (480 yards)
The statement is therefore correct unless anyone can name a longer tunnel in use but not listed here. For reference, the following tunnels shown on Heritage Railway maps are not currently in use:
*Bridgnorth Tunnel (559 yards) on the former Severn Valley Railway between Bridgnorth and Ironbridge
*Oakamoor tunnel (497 yards) on the Churnet Valley Railway's possible extension from Kingsley and Froghall towards Alton. Robin84F (talk) 21:35, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the policy on original research. Also, you need to satisfy the policy on verifiability. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:37, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Noted, thank you. The relative length of Bewdley Tunnel is a statement that adds very little to the article so if it cannot be verified by any other means, then I suggest it is removed. I will leave this note here anyway. Robin84F (talk) 16:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Tunnels on preserved railways

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've recently copy-edited the rolling stock section and have placed two requests for clarification:
#for the benefit of readers who might not know the jargon; what is a wheel drop and how can one be recovered from an entire county?
#does this mean that the name has been devised by the railway in what they feel is a GWR style? A citation will be required to support this conclusion if so.
Thanks. XAM2175 (T) 12:41, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited the wheel drop to include a link and citation. Regarding the 'North Star Works', from personal knowledge the term is regularly used as a nickname by the C&W staff and it was even used as the title of an article on the works in SVR News in 1988. However all official SVR publications appear to use the formal title of "Carriage Repair Works", so I have removed the informal name as having no reliable citation. Obviously anyone can revert it if they have a source that I don't. Robin84F (talk) 16:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much. XAM2175 (T) 13:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit of rolling stock section 

message: I have amended the preamble for the following:
*I have removed the 'sixth-longest heritage line in the United Kingdom' as being subject to the same type of citation issues as Bewdley Tunnel (see above). 
*The SVR doesn't 'follow the Severn Valley to Kidderminster'; it leaves it at Bewdley with Kidderminster being on the River Stour. 
*With the current coal crisis, use of vintage diesels is sadly rather more than 'occasional'.
Robin84F (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preamble revisions January 2023 

message: I'm puzzled by the cost indicated in the paragraph Heritage Railway:
"£74,000 (£1.04 million in 2021)" and "£75,000 (£282,000 in 2021)"
How can it be? Ev292 (talk) 10:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been updated to £74,000 (£1.23 million in 2023) and £75,000 (£334,000 in 2023). The source quoted (which appears reliable) gives RPI in 2023 as 161.950 (base of 100 in 2010). The equivalent RPI figures are 9.718 in 1972 and 36.331 in 1982. Multiplying by the relevant increase gives the answers stated. The period between the two years saw rampant inflation (14% in 1980 for example), so 1982 pounds were worth far less that 1972 pounds. It looks strange, but it is right. Robin84F (talk) 09:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost? 

message: The main subject of this article is the heritage railway of that name, although it also makes brief reference to the commercial history of the original Severn Valley Railway of 1862 (the Severn Valley Branch as it became under the GWR and BR). The heritage railway between Kidderminster and Bewdley runs via the GWR loop line of 1878 which was not part of the original Severn Valley Railway. 
The map correctly shows the route of the heritage railway. However by including the detail north of Bridgnorth, the map is neither one thing nor the other. Nothing north of Bridgnorth station relates to the present day heritage railway; at the same time the map does not show the southern part of the original railway (I can see no justification for a map which includes Ironbridge and Shrewsbury while ignoring the equally historically important Stourport and Hartlebury). Rather than add further historical information for the southern section to the rail map, I would propose to edit it so that it shows only the route of the heritage railway between Kidderminster and Bridgnorth in accordance with the main subject of the article. If there is a need for a map of the original railway in the article, it could be a separate rail map of the 1862 branch and 1878 loop line, although I think it might be better presented as a line map like that in the article on the Tenbury and Bewdley Railway. I would like to know others' thoughts before making any changes. Robin84F (talk) 09:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Article map