Talk:Denatured alcohol

message: I've merged in some info that was originally on the denaturation page. However, I moved denaturation to Denaturation (Biochemistry), so refer to the latter for the page history.--Kieran 14:41, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: (Someone did the right thing, and lowercased that "B".)--Jerzy•t 00:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ( Denaturation: refactor & Dab page) 

message: From the article:<BR>
:Methanol itself is not toxic; rather, the toxicity is due to the accumulation of its metabolites — formaldehyde and formic acid.
What an irresponsible statement. Somebody needs to advise the CDC that methanol isn't actually toxic after all.--Brianko (talk) 00:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited the statement a little...--Thenickdude (talk) 15:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccuracy

message: Often enough, mouthwash is denatured alcohol: the active ingredients in the mouthwash also serve as the denaturants.  For example, the formula for S.D. Alcohol 37 () is, in itself, fairly close to the formula for Listerine.  (Mouthwash is of course diluted with water, and Listerine also contains wintergreen in addition to mint, eucalyptus, and thyme oils.)--121a0012 (talk) 05:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mouthwash 

message: The term is "methylated spirit" (singular) not "spirits", because there is only one spirit: the ethanol.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.43.169 (talk) 23:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Methylated spirit 

message: Common use of Denatured Alcohol is cleaning of electronics.  A cell phone that was dropped in water (especially salt water) can be soaked in this solution and in most cases can save a phone.
- ZeusBAP
19:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But in some cases,  water  comes mixed with the alcohol itself to dilute it;  that might be an issue depending on the situation.  You need also be careful because sometimes glues and other stuff in the devices might be soluble or otherwise  react with the alcohol or some of the denaturants.  --201.52.205.103 (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other uses- circuit boards 

message: I'm not very familiar with Wikipedia policy, so I won't edit.  But, just as an average joe reading this article the statement that says "the United States federal government denaturing program, by some estimates, had killed at least 10,000 people" seemed non-neutral.  The assertion that the policy that mandates production of a solvent such that it is potentially lethal "killed" people is the start of a debate on the policy, not a neutral statement of fact.
I think it would be more neutral to write something like "Since the institution of the United States federal government denaturing program, some estimates indicate that at least 10,000 people have died from ingesting denatured alcohol products"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.3.102 (talk) 04:33, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? 

message: Changing methanol in the formulation of British CDA to wood naphtha. The source given specifies "wood naphtha", which is further defined later on that page, and http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageExcise_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000263&propertyType=document states "Please note that methyl alcohol (methanol) is not identical to legally defined wood naphtha, or to any approved wood naphtha substitute".
-86.50.75.227 (talk) 10:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  British CDA formulation 

message: Some old page history that used to be at the title "denatured alcohol" can now be found at Talk:Denatured alcohol/Old history. Graham87 14:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant page history 

message: "in countries where laws are written in passive voice" this is clearly some sort of prank.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.33.220 (talk) 19:53, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Passive Voice

message: There is a link to "Denaturation (biochemistry)" at the beginning of the third paragraph of the intro section. This page describe the denaturation of proteins. A quick read of this page shows that the process of the denaturation of proteins described in this paragraph is not related to the denaturing of alcohol. As such, the link is misleading. Someone should remove it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.187.148 (talk) 01:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to denaturing 

message: It was done deliberately by the government to stop people from drinking. 
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html
Kortoso (talk) 16:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: (At the end of this sentence, i'll be done quibbling over the distinction between gov't doing something and requiring companies to do it as a condition of allowing them to do something else.)   Interesting point, except that wasn't so done. Yeah, WP considers that Slate story a worthwhile source on Prohibition. But the accompanying WP article is not on Prohibition, and you  sound overeager in confounding the denaturing of alcohol as a drink-suppression measure with continuing the practice during Prohibition (as they also continued it beyond Prohibition).--Jerzy•t 05:30, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Prohibition era

message: Immiscible liquids are easy to separate, I think what is meant is miscible. But it may be possible to separate miscible liquids by distillation. In any event we need a source for this statement. Martijn Meijering (talk) 10:19, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscible vs immiscible 

message: There is a redirect from [Alcohol 40-B] to here at Denatured alcohol with no explanation as to what "SD Alcohol 40-B" actually is. Could someone knowledgeable please address this? By reading this talk page I get the impression that it may be a US statute for a chemical mixture.  71.178.246.51 (talk) 16:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed the redirect for SD Alcohol 40-B, which now links to a section here and has a brief description (see the list of SDAs in the external links section for other examples). Klbrain (talk) 19:44, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  SD Alcohol 40-B 

message: The citation for
""New Zealand has removed methanol from its government-approved "methylated spirits" formulation.""
Has a link to a nonexistent page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tellurium128 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation moved 

message: Should it not be mentioned that denatured alcohol is a petrochemical product? --Luka1184 (talk) 20:55, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not. Many denaturants are available; one of the formulas given in the US Code of Federal Regulations is literally the formula for original flavor Listerine. 121a0012 (talk) 01:54, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petrochemical product? 

message: Typically denature with 10% Metanol. Pear wine is ~10% ethanol and 1% methanol (10% denatured) and is not considered toxic. Methanol toxicity is due to oxidation to Formaldehyde by the Alcohol Dehydrogenase enzyme. Fortunately human Alcohol Dehydrogenase prefers ethyl alcohol to methyl by 7000:1, so in essence Ethanol is the antidote to Methanol poisoning. The same enzyme also causes the damage from Ethylene Glycol poisoning. TaylorLeem (talk) 20:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be useful to find a source for the preference of LADH for EtOH vs MeOH.  Preferably some review.  There is this: https://web.archive.org/web/20111005043548/http://www.antizol.com/mpoisono.htm.  The problem with your logic is that after the formaldehyde has been generated, ethanol (EtOH) has no effect other than to prevent further formaldehyde from forming.--Smokefoot (talk) 00:20, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  See wiki Alcohol Dehydrogenase 

message: This is one of many articles on Wikipedia where the title is a specifically US term, and it opens with a long list of countries that use a different term. The article would read better if the article was just about methylated spirits, and parenthetically menetions that they're called 'denatured alcohol' in the United States, so I think the title should be changed, and cross-references updated. (Some US editors often try to argue that the majority of the world's English speakers use the US term, but that's unlikely to be true in this case, because they're probably called metholated spirits in India. They definitely are in Malaysia.) MikZ (talk) 17:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Title 

message: Since Russian consumption of denatured alcohol is mentioned in the article, I think I should also provide a mention of the 2016 Irkutsk mass methanol poisoning, and a link to its Wikipedia page. I am new to Wikipedia so please anyone let me know if this seems appropriate and I will do it. 35drake (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentioning of 2016 Irkutsk poisoning