Talk:Burns supper

message: This page needs a cleanup. Even although it's Burns night, tonight, I am not going to tag it just now. I am doing this becuase of the traffic it will probably see since it is mentioned on the Main Page. After that, I will add it in. It is mainly the "Address to the haggis" section. KILO-LIMA 17:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I quite enjoyed this article in its current form.  Thank you.  tess 00:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reformatted in into a table. – Tivedshambo (talk) 20:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean Up 

message: In 'To A Haggis' the translation of 'hurdies' is given as 'hips'.  Perhaps it is taken from a rather prudish source (no source is given) but the translation of 'hurdies' is really 'buttocks'.  Yes, a traditional haggis (especially a large one) is often shaped vaguely like a bottom.  I suppose it is due to the shape of the stomach bag.  Perhaps in the proposed tidy-up, this could be changed.  I assume that, as no source for the poem text or translations are given, there is no problem with changing just one of them.Ewan carmichael 02:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, I thought hips were buttocks. What do you see as the difference ? -- Derek Ross | Talk 06:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, perhaps I am being too polite by using buttocks rather than what hurdies really means - arse!  I think of buttocks as your bottom, and hips to be more the sides of the upper leg, below the waist, perhaps blending into the buttocks.  The allusion is, after all, to rounded bum cheeks, which the word 'hips' doesn't really get across.  'Buttocks' seems to me to be a polite word that refers particularly to the parts in question.  It is also the translation offered by the Dictionary of the Older Scots Tongue.Ewan carmichael 14:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I am obviously not managing to get across what I mean - sorry about that.  If you take a look at the wikipedia definitions of 'hip' and 'buttock' then I think it is clear. They are not the same thing, although there is a degree of overlap.  My real point is that Burns is referring to rounded fleshy bum cheeks so the translations should be a word that gets that across, and hips means so much more and using it dilutes the image.  If buttocks does not get the concept of rounded bum cheeks across either (although judging by the photos on the 'buttocks' article I think it does), then I suppose we need another word.Ewan carmichael 08:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thighs are no more buttocks than hips are.  My friend who lives in Scotland says arse would be the correct word, and I'd use it if I could find a reference.  Here is a ref for buttocks: http://www.worldburnsclub.com/begin/address_to_a_haggis.htm  Gandydancer (talk) 14:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Hurdies

message: It has been stated that a Burns supper is a holiday because it is a tradition that happens every year. If that were so then other traditions that happen once a year (such as egg rolling or first-footing) would also be holidays. But they are not. They are in fact traditional activities associated with holidays (Easter and New Year). In the same way a Burns supper is a traditional activity associated with Burns birthday (commonly known as Burns Night) and generally held close to that date but not always held on it. Burns Night may be a holiday but a Burns supper is not. It's like confusing Christmas Day with Christmas Dinner. -- Derek Ross | Talk 19:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Burns Night redirects here and does not have its own article, the tag is appropriate. Nobody is confusing anything with anything. Chris (クリス) (talk) 20:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In your opinion. -- Derek Ross | Talk 17:06, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Holidays

message: There is a set format, but from where did the format originate?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnealon (talk • contribs) 12:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Tradition. Mostly of Burns clubs and Masonic lodges I would think. -- Derek Ross | Talk 18:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

text: And also I suspect from the number of Scots outside Scotland. It gave them a chance to meet together and celebrate their identity.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: This article makes no mention of the numerous alternative Burns suppers, left wing Burns suppers (which make more sense than the Loyal toast, since Burns had no time for cuifs an Birkies like the British royal family), or even those in Scottish Gaelic.
Without a doubt, the whole thing has been hijacked by Tories who have little in common with Burns' own political and social ideals.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Formality etc, alternative Burns suppers

message: These aren't just events in Scotland. They occur in many countries. Certainly a big thing in Canada and Australia at the least. So the "Events in Scotland" categorisation, while not untrue, does seem a bit narrow. -- Derek Ross | Talk 23:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Events in ...

message: A Burns supper is a tradition related to Burns Night, whereas Burns Night is a festival. Shouldn't the article be about Burns Night and mention the supper, rather than conflating the two and giving the supper priority?--86.154.209.35 (talk) 20:35, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there was such an article but someone turned it into a redirect to the Burns supper article almost immediately after I wrote it. Maybe because it was so short. I don't really know. Feel free to revert to it and expand on it. As for Burns suppers, there is nothing stopping you having a Burns supper on any night of the year. And in fact Burns suppers are quite often held on the weekends closest to Burns Night rather than on the night itself. They have also been held on the date of Burns' death rather than the date of his birth. So I wouldn't say that they are strictly related to Burns Night although that is the commonest date for them. As for Burns Night being a festival or a holiday, I wouldn't go that far. It's Burns's birthday and there are often events to commemorate it, including the aforementioned Burns suppers. but calling it a festival doesn't seem right to me. -- Derek Ross | Talk 00:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why isn't there a Burns Night article? 

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