Talk:Samuel Ashe (North Carolina governor)

message: This page should be moved to one named "Samuel Ashe". I've never seen dates in a Wikipedia article before.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.193.16 (talk) 05:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Samuel Ashe (North Carolina governor) →  – Excessive detail for disambiguation. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:22, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it would be absurd to read the two or three examples provided as a comprehensive list of everything it considers acceptable, absent a "need to be more specific".  "Governor", "senator", "mayor" are all "standard, commonly used" terms that provide a degree of specificity which helps readers recognize topics in a way that "politician" does not.  The notion that "politician" is supposed to be the preferred term merely because it's used as an example is nonsensical.  P Aculeius (talk) 22:12, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "Governor", "senator", and "mayor" are not as common as you might think. I have only found 64 "senator" articles on the English Wikipedia, and a few hundred "governor" and "mayor" (and "guitarist" and "drummer") articles. That's a very small percentage of the articles on such topics. I think the spirit is also clear in the "musician" and "drummer" discussion. More general tags seem pretty clearly preferred over more specific ones. If you think that is absurd, I suggest starting a conversation at WP:NCP. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 13:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would you read "standard, commonly used" to refer only to the titles of Wikipedia articles, not to what people are generally called or known for?  You're just making up rules that aren't in the policy to make it say what you want it to say.  It doesn't say "politician is the preferred term and must be used unless there's a compelling reason for anything else", and it doesn't say "commonly used as a disambiguator in Wikipedia article titles".  And if there are a "few hundred" governors, then how can you possibly still be arguing that it's not a "standard, commonly used" term?  This argument is becoming increasingly ludicrous.  P Aculeius (talk) 16:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think further responding to this would involve repeating points I have already made. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:07, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

text: How would making him the primary topic serve readers?  If this were someone most—even a significant number—of people not from North Carolina would have heard of, perhaps there would be an argument.  Granted he gets more page views than the alternatives, but 26 average daily page views over the last 90 days is not that many.  He's in a dozen categories besides "North Carolina governors", and in none of them would one be able to guess which person was a governor without the parenthetical disambiguation.  Let's not make it harder for readers to find articles.  P Aculeius (talk) 22:12, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly, it would make virtually no difference to readers. That's true of most of these types of RMs. The vast majority of WP readers find the article they are looking for on the first try, no matter how sensibly or nonsensically we may title them. Samuel Ashe averages zero hits per day. That means every 3 days one person lands there and has to make one extra click. Statistics indicate there's about an 8:1 chance that person wants the governor, but it's still a tiny number and a tiny inconvenience for that tiny number. As to categories, they also average 0 hits per day (with the exception of American slave owners), and he's the only Samuel Ashe in all but one of those. Station1 (talk) 18:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 14 December 2023