Talk:Dutch courage

message: I became curious about the origin of the expression "Dutch courage" after seeing someone use it on a website I frequent.  I found several different explanations and still have no idea which one, if any, is correct.  But this is certainly the most interesting explanation.
Autarch Severian  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Autarch Severian (talk • contribs) 04:35, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the UK we don't generally attribute any meaning to "Dutch" other than from or of the Netherlands.Mnealon (talk) 04:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: Whilst studying at University I was required to do a literature research project on the "Perceived effects of alcohol, 1600-1800s."  During this time I found numerous original newspaper articles citing the origin of the phrase "Dutch courage" relating to when the English and Dutch were at war. 
The phrase was linked specifically to the difficulties English forces had in overcoming Dutch forces along the Dutch coast despite outnumbering the defending forces by a ratio of 3 to 1. The main reason for the ferocity of the Dutch forces was claimed to be due to their common bouts of drinking large amounts of gin and/or absinthe or other alcohol during battles. Hence, the term 'Dutch courage' being applied to the decreased sense of fear experienced by individuals when they have consumed alcohol.
I found no evidence during the research regarding the bravery of Dutch traders or sailors delivering goods to London during the plague. However there was a link between London, gin, and the Dutch. This link is best illustrated in the graphical works of William Hogarth, especially his drawings entitled "Mother Gin" and "Gin Lane". The Dutch link is that the downward spiral of English (London) society, as depicted by Hogarth, was associated with English soldiers returning from the wars with the Dutch (as mentioned above) and bringing gin and absinthe with them.
--Ich (talk) 18:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed from article page

message: I've removed the following piece of unsourced (and untrue) original research. Please do not re-add it unless you can find a reliable source (which you won't) as it's patently untrue; not only were Britain and the Netherlands at war at the time of the Plague, but the earliest recorded use of the phrase was in 1826. And needless to say, the Dutch do not have "the freedom of the river". —  iridescent 20:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed patent [[WP:BOLLOCKS]] 

message: In a number of these phrases (e.g. "Dutch uncle", etc.), "Dutch" actually meant Deutsch (i.e. German)... AnonMoos (talk) 00:16, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Dutch"

message: I've rewritten the introductory material entered by 84.249.3.82 in an attempt to keep NPOV, and to emphasize the tentative nature of these unsourced additions.  Citations showing that the Dutch navy or sailors were particularly feared for their courage would be necessary.  There is also no indication that the meaning of the phrase originally referred to anything other than "liquid courage" - this should be cited before speculating further.  I'd also suggest that placing this new paragraph before other theories smacks of impolitely trying to assert primacy, but haven't moved it. Grothmag (talk) 20:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite of  84.249.3.82 's edits 

message: Why is there no link of the word 'gin' to the Wikipedia article on gin?  I would do it myself but I can't remember how (and too lazy to look it up, lying here on the couch like a giant beached porpoise, half asleep).
--Atikokan (talk) 04:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to gin 

message: Dutch gin created in 1650 then used in The Thirty Years War (1618 - 1648)?
Dstone1163 (talk) 13:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in dates? 

message: Is this site credible?  It says, The Anglo-Dutch wars of the 17th and 18th centuries were acrimonious even by the usual standards of war. Following the conflicts the English came to hold the Dutch in very low regard and as a consequence there are numerous English phrases which portray them in an unflattering light, and goes on to describe the phrase as meaning that courage gained by intoxication isn't genuine.  --Dan Wylie-Sears 2 (talk) 05:27, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another hypothesis for its origin