Talk:Bill Buckner

message: Is there a source cited on Buckner moving from Boston due to bitterness over 7 years after the series ended? If someone wants to dispute this please reply here, otherwise I am going to re-write this in accordance with a WSJ article which is available in their paid archives. Ellsworth 21:11, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buckner's feelings about the Sox and the series 

message: Defining a guy's entire career by one incident in the 1986 World Series is neither fair nor accurate.   It is a nice touch to add what Buckner did to get Boston into post season play in September 1986.    It is better and more accurate to compare not only what he did all season, but throughout his career to other famous clutch hitters like Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio - - - as well as to the fact that he played hurt a lot, not out of any ego trip of wanting to be in games, but to show he played better hurt than the alternatives (Dave Stapleton) did otherwise.
In light of the results of that famous play in game 6 of the 1986 World Series, your last sentence is highly disputable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.234.133 (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buckner's abilities as a clutch hitter and contact hitter 

message: Just a heads-up, but we may have to turn this into a disambiguation page in the near-future.  The Royals have a pitcher in their farm system who was (amusingly) born with the name Billy Buckner.  He has the potentiol to be a big-name player in the future.--24.252.24.111 21:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If he goes by Billy Buckner, then he can have the article name Billy Buckner. Kingturtle 03:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The other Buckner 

message: How about his mentioning several times in the movie "fever pitch," starring Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore.  They talk about him a few times.  Also, Fallon watches the video of Buckner missing the ground ball over and over when he is depressed.  It's pretty funny.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.235.20.63 (talk) 20:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FEVER PITCH 

message: I seem to remember a particular episode of St. Elsewhere with a patient who was obsessed with the Red Sox.  For some reason the doctor had to break this guy out of his obsession, so he listed all the times the Red Sox disappointed their fans, and the last thing he says that tips the guy over the edge, is "remember Buckner..."  I remember that scene but I can't find any information about it on the interweb.  Perhaps someone can help out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.164.186 (talk) 23:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. ELSEWHERE 

message: They referenced him in some recent add campaign for a text messaging question service or something. KGB maybe? I dunno, if that rings a bell to anyone you could add it. Cheers. NasserInASaucer (talk) 04:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  That Commercial 

message: (i) Was the staph infection that resulted in him becoming a first baseman caused by diving for second base one time and getting his ankle caught uder himself? 
(ii) The Nike high tops. He was one of the first, if not the first, to use them in the modern era and it allowed him to stay in the game longer.
I wonder if the sources would be online apart from being in Jeff Pearlman's The Bad Guys Won 86.45.53.76 (talk) 14:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Questions 

message: See http://thebaseballproject.net/pressbox/, http://ideastations.org/npr/134594701-baseball-project-for-love-of-game.
I just heard the song ("Buckner's Bolero") on the radio (KEXP, Seattle). Quite a good song, but I'm not sure whether it merits mention in the article, and I'm probably biased in its favor since I know Scott McCaughey (and, for that matter, Bob Christgau), so someone else should decide. - Jmabel | Talk 18:20, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent quite good song about Buckner 

message: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0048QIP7W/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=3375251&s=sporting-goods (this is a picture of the card so you'll see what see what I mean)75.81.197.59 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are you talking about in the Mark McGwire article? In any event, you're going to have get a consensus to include the information, not just starting a topic and expressing your opinion. That justify citing to a primary source and interpreting it to boot. I will revert your change until there is a consensus to include it.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

text: And how do you expect me to get this "consensus" without starting this topic?  Also, the card is the only source available (in this case others are not necessary) and I clearly cited precedent for its inclusion so it's not just "expressing my opinion"75.81.197.59 (talk) 02:59, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Buckner was a first baseman, so a picture showing him fielding a ground ball would not be especially noteworthy. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:21, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

text: 75, you misunderstand, there was nothing wrong with starting this topic to get consensus. My objection was to you inserting the material without letting the discussion run its course and a consensus be reached.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just "a picture"; it's a baseball card (which I now posted a link to at the top of this topic so you can see it).  It's also not just him fielding a ground ball; the ball is clearly in the air between his legs.  And it's not like there's tons of other cards out there showing someone in fielding position with a ball between his legs. My point is that coincidences like these and the ones I mentioned above have before and should be included.75.81.197.59 (talk) 02:59, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in McGwire's article because you put it there. It has since been removed (by me) again. (I don't see the Dennis the Menace trivia anywhere in the article about the 1959 series.) You may think that these are noteworthy trivial coincidences, but without a source that actually discusses them, you should try to get consensus to include the information. It's clearly WP:OR without sourcing. --Onorem♠Dil 03:28, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

text: 75, you think it's "clear", but it's not. The ball could be between his legs or it could be before him going toward him in a normal receiving fielding stance. Personally, I think the latter interpretation is far more likely because one wouldn't make a baseball card out of someone committing an error. In any event, the fact that we disagree on the interpretation of the picture is precisely what makes the picture an unreliable source. And none of that even addresses the POV or trivia issues.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Bill Buckner's 1985 Fleer card--with the ball between his legs

message: So I was watching a 30 for 30 documentary on ESPN called Catching Hell (aired this 27 September), and Buckner's error was prominently featured alongside the the Steve Bartman incident. A video of the play clearly shows that the ball did not, as the article states, roll under Buckner's glove—which was touching the ground—but rather, that the ball collapsed the thumb portion of the glove and continued rolling past it. This is not only shown in the video, but explicitly stated to be the case by the narration. Admittedly, it's a small detail, but it's a relevant one. Should the article be changed to reflect this? TaintedMustard (talk) 16:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because you (or someone else) has to interpret what you've seen. The video is a primary source.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you read what I said: this is explicitly stated to be the case by the narration—that is, they are interpreting it, not me. The source is the documentary, not the raw video, but the video can still be mentioned. TaintedMustard (talk) 02:47, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I missed the narration part. You should be able to cite to it.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:33, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Didn't roll under the glove 

message: A bit of irony about Buckner's error is mentioned on Maury Wills' page: in Buckner's Major League debut, against the San Francisco Giants on September 21, , Wills, his Dodger teammate, commited an error on Jim Davenport's 10th-inning ground ball, which allowed Willie McCovey to score the winning run.  MrHaroldG2000 (talk) 19:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Buckner's Major League Debut

message: That part was not referenced in Good Will Hunting, I think it was mistaked with the reference to
Carlton Fisk's game-winning home run in the 1975 World Series  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.34.211 (talk) 23:42, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game 6 of 1986 World Series 

message: In the episode "Cuts Like a Knife", Jane Rizzoli (Angie Harmon) reminisces about "being in love with Bill Buckner until the ball rolled through his legs".
Is it permissable for this quote to go into the article without a reference, or is that original research?
BruceME (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference in Rizzoli and Isles 

message: Let's add some Buckner jokes that he had to suffer for the rest of life to this page. Such as - After he blew the game, Buckner was so depressed he threw himself in front of a train. The train went through his legs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.168.129.3 (talk) 00:38, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buckner Jokes 

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message: Regarding this edit, should the 'Bill Buckner' article use the name 'Bill'? Dlabtot (talk) 16:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Was not aware of the below policy; I now oppose given that. 331dot (talk) 17:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

text: *The article's title makes it clear for the reader what is used. And your argument could probably be used for most of the articles adhering to MOS:LEGALNAME. --NeilN talk to me 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

text: * WP:COMMONNAME dictates the title of the article, not the first sentence (see my point above). --NeilN talk to me 17:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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replies: text: Your example above of Dave Matthews is perfect, as it looks like that page is in violation of WP:COMMONNAME. Should one of us fix it, or will that require an RFC as well?Pistongrinder (talk) 16:44, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the 'Bill Buckner' article use the name 'Bill' ? 

message: *Support inclusion of the name 'Bill'. Dlabtot (talk) 16:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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text: *The article's title makes it clear for the reader what is used. And your argument could probably be used for most of the articles adhering to MOS:LEGALNAME. --NeilN talk to me 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: *I would add that what really matters is what reliable sources call him, which I'm fairly sure is Bill.  This is the case with every biographical article on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 16:53, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: * WP:COMMONNAME dictates the title of the article, not the first sentence (see my point above). --NeilN talk to me 17:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I stand corrected.  Thank you 331dot (talk) 17:10, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "Buckner began receiving death threats and was heckled and booed by some of his own home fans, often with the false belief or implication that his play alone could have instantly won the series for the Red Sox."
This is not what our cited source says. Plus, it's just poor wording. Please update. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  1986 

message: Bill Buckne  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.52.88.132 (talk) 11:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Buckner