Talk:Feyli Kurds

message: The issue of feylis etymological ethnical identity is unresolved. Iranian wiki members such as "علی ساکی لرستانی" have engaged in full scale editing and publishing obviously tendentious sources on this article. If the origin of feylis is contested, it is unreasonable to edit entire articles and break wikipedias objectivity standards to suit your own POV. Here by any edits to this article that do not follow wikipedias directives, without the consent of the consensus on the talk page of this article, is subject removal.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.150.236.238 (talk) 13:04, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Unobjective and tendentious edits

message: Feylî it´s a dialect of Laki language.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.48.18.154 (talk) 15:45, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feylî 

message: The kurdish name is Pehlí (or Pahlí), Feylí (or Faylí) is the arabic form of the name. We have the same case when it comes to the persians, the original Pars and the arabized Fars.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.211.101.220 (talk) 23:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pehlí 

message: Besides all ethnic facts that People of ME know it better than any one else, the Language of Feyli Kurds exactly is a sub-dialect of southern Kurdish. Also some Feyli Kurds speak Leki dialect too (around Ilam) as well as some speak Sorani.
(78.38.22.96 (talk) 14:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Feylis Are Kurds

message: We are not talkinmg about feylis who are bilingual in other languages as well. Feylis speak Luri. Their language is intelligible with Western dialects of Persian and Luri, much more than Laki. In all historical accounts they are mentioned as Lurs. I do not speak much of Kurdish but I speak Luri and the Feyli language was intelligible for me. It was also to a high extent intelligible for Tehrani Persian speakers --Babakexorramdin (talk) 21:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feylis are Lurs 

message: in the historical sources like Iranica , dehkhoda , feyli nation site ( puk ) , tarikh gozideh , alamut Itinerary , geroteh Itinerary , Anthropology of Iran ,... says that the lessor lurs are feyli.in many other sources , say that feyli are lurs.i am not feyli , but my father is a feyli and mention his families in Iraq.he also says that feylis are lurs.because of this mistake , people says feyli kurd:
In some sources, Lurs, and Baluchis and other people except his Dylyman Shmrdhand the word "kurd" implies a kind of lifestyle and has no linguistic meaning--علی ساکی لرستانی (talk) 14:49, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  feylis were,are, also lurs  

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: Morin . I noticed your reverting of my reverts (Well i have learned the meaning of ironic now...) and i note that some of the links got broken because the IP/Anon changed some of the link's names. The capitalization was great but most of the wiki-links got broken as a result of changing spelling of some of the words like changing "i" to "e". Hope you can consiter some of my reverts as keeping them there. Thanks LorChat 10:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About some reverts. 

message: There has been recent edit warring to change the opening to say that the Feylis are Lurs, replacing the Iraqi constitution as a reference with Encyclopædia Iranica. This clearly relates to the section above requesting a move, which was granted. Discuss the source here - in particular . Yngvadottir (talk) 16:43, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you very much Yngvadottir for bringing this topic up again, as it's weird for me to get a warning after reverting to a riable source wich matchs with WP's guidlines. I would love to futher dicuss the matter here. as for Faylis, thier stuckness to Kurds are completly confusing as the feylis lives south-eastern iras (a arabic shite are). they are an arabic-speaking people with a shite islamic branch faith. as the Kurds are Sorani or Kurmanji speaking with a sunni branch. The Feylis are known to be a offspring of the "Iranian" Lur. anyways I have a riable source wich is a scientific supported as for the one now. its a political propegrandic. Didaku (talk) 22:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't accuse other editors of political propaganda; that is not going to make them inclined to listen to you. The reference you are replacing is the actual constitution of Iraq. Given what the article says, isn't it more likely that the Encyclopedia Iranica is oversimplifying or otherwise misstating than a country's constitution? Can you find any additional sources supporting your position, such as academic articles or published books by neutral scholars? Since you are the one who wishes to change the article - and also see discussions above, including the move request - you need to bring strong evidence, rather than simply seeking to replace a strong source with one that doesn't seem as likely to be neutral. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:33, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

text: I did notaccuse other users to promotepropeganda, I meant "source" used are most likely to be politically motivated, since the Iraqi government is not exactly the most scientific organization in the world. a country that survives by political propegandas. I do not quite understand why you think "my" source is not neutral enough? it's because you personally believe that Feylis are Kurds ?.Didaku (talk) 20:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lurs]] 

message: Feylis and Lurs are not even closely related. Feylis have always been a part of the Kurdish nation while Lurs are a recent phenomenon of Kurds becomming culturely mixed with Persians which is aparent by their language. The only similarites that Feylis and Lurs have are that they are both Shia and the boundries of their areaslie next to each other (only in Iran, Feylis are also found in Iraq). Feyli ancestry is thus: Proto-Kurdish -> Gurani -> Leki -> Feyli. 
http://www.kurdishacademy.org/?q=node/46
The Encyclopædia Iranica link contains only one line that claims "FEYLĪ, group of Lor tribes located mainly in Luristan." with no supporting evidence. This totally false, there are hardly any Feylis in Luristan, but there are Lekis. Around 4 million Feylis in Iran live mostly in Ilam (Luristan is totally in Iran), but almost 2 million Feylis also live in Iraq. Next, Feyli clans are not at all included in Lur tribal society.
http://feyli.se/index.php/culture/clans  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feyli Kurd (talk • contribs) 12:16, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feylis are Kurds. 

message: As a scholar of the subject with no time and nerves to enter edit wars and the like (and NO dog in the fight), I would like to contribute with some scolarly facts concerning this article in the hope that it might help editors to get a better picture: 
Lurs vs. Kurds: The problem here - and the ACTUAL issue in your discussions - is mainly the ongoing kurdification of many Western Iranian peoples, which leads to these differing POVs. Historically, the term "kurd" can be traced back to a general, unspecific term for various Iranian nomadic tribes in (Greater) Iran, i.e. Persia. The term "kurd" was not an ethnicon, but only started to be used as one in rather recent times. And as an ethnicon, it became politicised and started to expand. Therefore, we can find young people who may today identify themselves as Kurds, while their grand-grandparents didn't. Speakers of the Gorani language are a perfect example for this: influenced by Kurdish nationalist ideas, media, etc., some of them today do call themselves Kurds, while from a scientific (linguistics, anthropology, history etc.) point of view, they clearly aren't Kurds. Same goes for Zaza people in Anatolia. And although we do find Gorani / Zaza people who identify as Kurds too, there are also those who don't (particularly amongst the Zaza population). Thus, as "Kurd" is not a clearly defined identity such as "Pashtun" or "German", but rather an expanding concept, this constitutes a big difficulty for encyclopaedic entries. However, you cannot - as someone here did - accuse e.g. Iranica of following a "nationalist Persian" POV. That is utter nonsense. Iranica is peer reviewed, hard scholarship and bases its description on scholarly research, i.e. it focuses on linguistic, anthropological and historical criteria rather than "who identifies as what", which is often based on ephemeral ideological sentiment. You do not have to agree 100% with scholarship, but you cannot dismiss e.g. the linguistic aspect when discussing the Feyli people because you happen to identify with x or y. Parsis today generally identify as Indians, but they are clearly an Iranian people. You simply cannot write an article about Parsis without mentioning Iran and Persia. Same applies to this article. While it is not a problem at all to identify as Kurds, it would simply be unsound to completely ignore the fact that the Feylis share a substantial background with Lurs and like the Lak, do not constitute the core of the concept/identity "Kurd".
Mehrdad Izady: Ironically, while some people (supposedly Kurds) try to slam Iranica and do not consider it a neutral source (!), they seem to have no problem with Mehrdad Izady being quoted/referenced all over the article. N.B.: Izady is a known revisionist with a bunch of entirely unscientific, purely ideological Kurdish-nationalist ideas. He is by no means an expert in the scholarly sense. Quoting him in favour of your argument at a serious department of Iranian studies / Near Eastern history / Oriental Studies etc. basically disqualifies you as a serious scholar. He is really THAT obviously biased and unscientific (just one example from the article: "he claims that the Arabic Feyli is a corruption of Pahla, meaning Parthia." - well, 1. Parthians were unrelated to the Kurds and 2. Izady lacks the linguistic expertise to clearly demonstrate and document the etmology; it is just his "gut" speaking here, as so often). Thus, looking at this article with respect to its sources, I simply cannot escape the impression that like 95% of anything pertaining to Kurds and Kurdish on Wikipedia, it is more or less the product of Kurdish nationalist assertions rather than a conclusion of careful scholarly research.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.217.197.148 (talk) 01:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lur vs. Kurd and the general quality of the article 

message: Dear free Encyclopedia users, as it is evident  Feylis are and have been an integral part of Lurish community. For decades the title Kurd has attributed to Iranian nomads from total Iran plateau. This phrase included Persian, Lurish and other Iranian nomads. In case of Lurish people, due to signifcfgant similarities and interrelationships they were claimed several times by Kurdish authors to be a branch of so-called 
Greater Kurdistan. This claim was not welcomed by Lurish community. In Iraq, but the condition has been different. Historically due to bad behaviour received by Arab adjacent groups for centuries and decades (Saddam era cruelty and Anfalgenocide tragedy are only a recently well-documented subject) and their significant similarities and interrelationships by their Kurdish adjacent communities, they oriented towards Kurdish integration although they have not denied their Lurish origins at all.  I do not deny significant similarities between these two ethnic groups, but historical and routine evidences confirm their Lurish identity.--Shadegan (talk) 15:11, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feylis are [[Lurs]] although they are well-mixed and accepted among their Kurdish neighbours 

message: Feyli Kurds are Kurd not Lur. I am a Feyli Kurd. A comparison of words used by Feyli Kurd and Lur (Khoram abad Lurs) has been done as following:
Luri - Feyli Kurdish - sorani Kurdish dialect -Farsi - English
Miham - Toam/Xoazem - Detoam/damhavi- Mikham - want
RO - bechoo - bro- boro - go
Tash - agir -Agir- Atash - fire
jomah - Kerwas/shoy - Kerwas/kwa-jameh/pirhan - shirt
Moem - eishem - eishem- Migam - say
dard - jan/ish - jan/ish- dard - pain
omain - Hatin - Hatin- oomadan - come
Harden - xoarden - xoarden- xordan - eat
aftaw - Xoar - xoar-aftab/Khorshid - sun
XOAR - xoeishk - xoeishk-xahar - sister
bawa - bawk - bab-baba - father
verdashten- Halgirten-Halgirten- bardashtan- take
Chor- Miz- Miz- edrar- Urinate
giah/eshkam- zek- sek- shekam- belly
As you can see Lurish words are not similar to Feyli Kurdish words and Luri is very similar to Persian while Feyli Kurdish words are very similar to
Sorani Kurdish dialect.
some Lurs in iran try to introduce Feyli Kurds as Lur. They claim that Feyli Kurds were controled by Lur rulers for 4 centuries and so you are Lur. My father and  my grand father and my ancestors have said that Feyli Kurds are not Lur but we are Kurd and during 4 centuries our land had been ocupied and governed by Lur ruler. Lur rulers have killed many Feyli Kurds and migrated some tribes of Lur from Luristan to change demography of old Pushtkooh or Ilam. Feyli Kurds were introduced as Lur deliberately to all of travelers and Writers by Lur rulers and  Feyli kurds had been denied. due to heavey tax by Lur ruler some of Feyli Kurd tribes migrated to Iraq to escape from the hand of Lur ruler. Feyli Kurds are not and were not Lur but some nationalist Lur try to deny their identity.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.66.181 (talk) 21:39, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: FEYLĪ, group of Lor tribes located mainly in Luristan. During the two centuries in which the whole of Luristan was ruled by hereditary wālīs (descended from Ḥosayn Khan Solvīzī, appointed by Shah ʿAbbās I in 1006/1597-98) all the tribes in the region were called Feylī (Eskandar Beg, tr. Savory, II, p. 721; Curzon, Persian Question, I, p. 278; Minorsky, p. 826)هوسئین (talk) 16:33, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feylis are Lurs 

message: Hello, please look at this and this edits of user:Shadegan. It's important to look at sources. For example, the user:Shadegan added , Erik John Anonby as a so-called source which supports Laki belongs to Luri language. But if you read pages 19 and 20, you can see a comparison of Pish-e Kuh Laki with Kurdish and Luri. After that the author says: Pish-e Kuh Laki is aligned with Kurdish rather than Luri. This is distortion of information. User:Shadegan is also adding some persian sources which can not be checked/proved. Thanks.--Gomada (talk) 14:03, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Another falsifying from User:Shadegan. The source says:Fayli (Faylee, Faili, or Feli) Kurds are, as their name tells, an inseparable segment of the Kurdish population in Iraq and an integral part of the Kurdish nation, which is divided among many countries in the Middle East, mainly Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey. Fayli Kurds have themselves shown, over the years, and still show this fact and reality by words and deeds. They speak a dialect that belongs to the southern Kurdish dialect called Luri which is spoken in the southern areas of Kurdistan proper, particularly on both sides of the border areas between Iraq and Iran. And the user:Shadegan is using this source as a proof of so called Lur identity. Who will stop this vandalism?--Gomada (talk) 11:37, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV-push and reliability of sources 

message: As it was asked by English Wikipedia administrators, I provided some authentic and valid references for Lurish Identity of Feyli Lurs in two edited pages. As you can see in the history of these pages the user User:Gomada has changed and removed these logical and authentic edits. As an old user of Wikipedia I think some users have imagined and counted this invaluable and useful encyclopedia as a farce and mischief area to distort the realities and promote their ethnocentric and ambitious aims. I hope Wikipedia adminstrators and other realistic users help to stop and prevent such inappropriate vandalism efforts.--Shadegan (talk) 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop your personal attack and show us the mention of Feyli Lur in sources. As I mentioned above, you are falsifying sources.--Gomada (talk) 15:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV-push and Large-scale vandalism effort by user: [[User:Gomada|Gomada]] 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I am a Feyli Kurd and I believe that you as a Lur are trying to change the identity of Feyli Kurds using Fallacious Feyli Lur article. You claim that Feyli Kurds were controled by Lur rulers for 4 centuries and so We are Lur. My father and my grand father and my ancestors have verified that Feyli Kurds are not Lur but are Kurd and during 4 centuries our land (Ilam) had been ocupied and governed by cruel Lur ruler who changed the name of our land to Luristan. According to what i have heard from may ancestors Lur rulers (Vali) have killed many Feyli Kurds and migrated some tribes of Lur from Luristan to change demography of old Pushtkooh or Ilam. Feyli Kurds were introduced as Lur deliberately to all of travelers and Writers by Lur rulers and Feyli kurds had been denied. due to heavey tax by Lur ruler some of Feyli Kurd tribes migrated to Iraq to escape from the hand of Lur ruler. Feyli Kurds are not and were not Lur but some nationalist Lur try to deny their identity. I prefer to trust to my ancestors who have said we are Shia Kurd not Lur and we (Feyli Kurds) dont trust to fabricated history presented by pan Lurs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.57.38.253 (talk) 09:48, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feyli Kurds are Kurds not Lur 

message: Dear brother/sisters
To make enmity and malice between very interrelated and common cultures (Lurish and Kurdish) is a very disastrous and regretful event. There is no distinct border between these two pure ethnicities and cultures. I think our conflict is really a fratricide and brutality..  Why some Kurds try to ignore our identity instead of helping us to recover from lack of broadcast media and gradually demolishing our cultural asdets. There had not been any enmity and even real differences between our cultures during thousands years of coexistence. Please stop your regretful efforts against our deprived and oppressed cultural assets. We expected brotherhood instead of fratricide and we still expect you. Feylis are a sign of our inevitable brotherhood, unity and coherence. Please let both papers Feyli Lurs and Feyli Kurds to exist in Wikipedia --Shadegan (talk) 12:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop new fratricide please

message: Feyli Lurs article try to introduce Feyli Kurds as Lurs. No Lur in Luristan , Charmahal va bakhtiari and Kohgeluieh va boyer ahmad in Iran consider himself as Feyli Kurd. In other words Feyli Kurds point out to Ilam and Kermanshah Kurds not Lur in Lursitan , Bakhtiaris and Kohgiloieh whose pepole introduce themselves only as Lur not Feyli. Ilami and Kermanshahi Kurds who had been under the control of Lur ruler for 4 centuries introduce theselves as Kurd. You can check wikipedia page for Kermanshah, Sarpolezahab,Ghasreshirin, Ilam, Islamabad, Gilanegharb , Eyvan , Malekshahi , Abdanan ,Sirvan and Chardavol. Pepole in all of these regions didnt introduce themselves as Lur in Wikipedia page in contrast to what has been written in Feyli Lur artilce .Feyli Lur article prepared by Pan Lurs and containing fallacious parts which claim that Feyli Kurds introduce themselves as Lur (a big Lie). There is no Lurish clothing in above mentioned regions (including Feyli Kurds) in contrast to what has been written in Feyli Lur wikipedia page. Through above mentioed regions some Feyli Kurds use  Kurdsih dress and some use Persian formal dress and no one use Lurish dress. Lurish dress only is used in Luristan, Charmahal va Bakhtiari and Kohgiloieh and by some tribes (only some tribes ) in south of Ilam. Some tribes such as Shuhans, Selyverzis and Kaydkhordeh which comprise less than 10 % of Ilam province population. It is suggested that Wikipedia decide to Keep Feyli Kurds pages instead of Feyli Lur page since these two articles are similar to each other.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.57.38.253 (talk) 09:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Pan Lurs try to introduce Feyli Kurds as Lur when Feyli Kurds consider themselves as Kurd 

message: Please stop baseless edits. Kurds, Hawramis, Kormanjs, Lurs and Zazad are  Iranian people but not Kurdish, Lurish, Kurmanji and not Persian are not a dialect of each other. 
Your bad efforts is fueling a disastrous fratricide, please stop them. --Shadegan (talk) 12:25, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Kurdish is also a dialect of Persian?!

message: Both Lurish and Kurdish are Western Iranian languages. Feyli Lurish as the northest part of Lurish has affected on and has been affected by neighbour languages like Kurdish and Hawrami. You can also see such a trend in Southern Lurish-Persian interactions. Why did you compare Feyli Lurish with Khorramabadi that are not neighbors? 
You can see the citations and referrences in the bottom part of Feyli Lurs  paper.
You can ask most Feylis in Iraqi side too. "Great Kurdistan" dreams swallow everyone and everything, what a voracious appetite!Ahad.r.fard (talk) 09:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Feyli Lurs are adjacent to Sorani Kurds and they're not Kurds at all

message: Dear friend
According to Encyclopedia Iranica During the two centuries in which the whole of Luristan was ruled by hereditary wālīs  all the tribes in the region were called Feylī ( It can be concluded that all of tribes include Kurds and Lurs had been called Feyli).At the beginning of the 19th century, the situation changed. Moḥammad-ʿAlī Mīrzā, eldest son of Fatḥ-ʿAlī Shah Qājār (1212-50/1797-1834) and governor-general of Kermānšāh, seized Pīš-e Kūh (the eastern part of Luristan), leaving to the wālī only Pošt-e Kūh (the western part). Furthermore, according to Encyclopedia Iranica the name Feylī had been previously associated with the Solvīzī dynasty, it (or Feyli word) came to denote only those tribes in the Pošt-e Kūh (Ilam). Explicitly, Encylopedia Iranica indicates that from 200 years ago so far Feyli name has been attributed to Pusht-e Kuh. This Encyclopedia reports that The two major Feylī tribes in Pusht-e Kuh region are Kord and Mahakī (Kurdish). If Ilami tribes were Lur why Iranica Encyclopedia didn't say that Ilami Tribes are Lur and in contrast to Pan Lurs propaganda over Lurish identiy of Ilam Encyclopedia Iranica has noted that Pust-e Kuh tribes are Kord and Mahaki (Mahaki is Kurdish dialect of Beyray tribe in Ilam) . According to this encyclopedia Pust-e Kuh (Ilam) is Feyli (Because from 200 years ago up to now Feyli word exclusively hase been used to describe Ilam or Pusht-e Kuh not Khoram abad and Lurs) and Kurd not Lur. Nevertheless this Encyclopedia can cause some misunderstandings because it has noted that FEYLĪ, group of Lor tribes located mainly in Luristan (it means is old Luristan including Pish Kuh and Pusht-e Kuh). Nevertheless in second paragraph Encyclopedia Iranica reports that Pusht-e Kuh (Ilam) tribes are Kurd not Lur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.65.163 (talk) 16:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please dont try to change the identity of Feyli Kurds  ,Feyli Kurds are Shia (Like Kurmanji Khorasan Kurds who are also Shia) and enjoy equality in Iran 

message: Can you show me a new academic research which demonstrate Luri (include Khoram abadin, Bakhtiari and Kohgloieh) is a language. Please show me a document from European or american linguistics (Researchers) not from Native Lur authors such as Amanollahi, Baharvand or ....... Wikipedia and other weblogs are edited by Lurs and we can not trust to these pages although they defend that  Luri is a Language but I am eager to see a new academic research from non-Iranian researchers which demonstrate Luri is a language. Lurs try to Lurify Ilam and Kermanshah and Laks and hope Luri be named as language.  According to self-declaration Lurs include Luristani Lurs (Pole-dokhtar, Dorud, Boroujerd, Khoram abad ), Bakhtiari Lurs ,Kohgluieh Lurs ,some tribes in Hamedan  and  some tribes in southern part of Ilam province (comprise 10% of whole population of Ilam province). For self-declaration we acquire information about our identity from our fathers , our grand fathers and our ancestors not from fabricated claims of Pan Lurs.       — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.65.163 (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurds ( include Zaza , Hewrami , Feyli and Sorani ), Pashtoo Spekers, Baluchs and also Lurs belong to Iran, Nevertheless Kurdish , Blauches , Zazas and  Pashtoo are language can you show me a new academic document which demonstrate that Luri is a language  

message: Feyli Lur is a Fabricated name made by Luristan Lurs. Feyli Kurd is a common name used in literatures ,reports and articles. Feyli according to Iranica Encyclopedia from 200 years ago so far is used to describe Pust-e Kuh (Ilam) tribes. According to Iranica Encylipedia Pust-e Kuh tribes are Kurds and Mahakis (Beyray Kurd tribe). Wy do you try to made and fabricate a Feyli Lur name when polpulation in Ilam, Kermanshah and Iraqi Feyli Kurds consider and name themselves Feyli Kurd? . I will use the name Persian lurs to describe Luristani Lurs if you continue to use a Fabricated name of FEYLI Lur instead of Feyli Kurd. We suggests Wikipedia suspend your account and remove Fabricated Feyli Lur wikipedia article to prevent any edit by you and your coworkers. FEYLI lur article is silent try by Pan Lurs to deny Feyli Kurds identity just like old Lur ruler (Walis) who deliberately have tried to introduce Pust-e Kuh (ILAM) Kurd tribes as Lur tribes to all of travellers, writers and historian. You as a Lur are not allowed (are you lawyer of Feyli Kurds?), you are not a famous linguistic (if you claim that you are a famous lingustic please inform us and give us your published articles in international journals and demonstrate scientifically Feyli Kurds are not Kurd )  to decide and speak on behalf of Feyli Kurds and claim that Feyli Kurds are not Kurd??!! I can say Lurs are Persian . In Iran Lur population considered as Persian   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.84.108 (talk) 06:54, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the meaning of adjecent , why do Luri words of Khoramabad, Dorud, Pol e doktar and .. are not similar to Feyli Kurds Words and are not similar to Sorani Kurdish dialect when you claim that Feyli Kurds and Lurs are speak as same as each others. 

message: * Persian. Kurdish  Turkish  English
* Âb Âw Su Water
* Šab   Šaw   Gece Night
* Rûz   Rúž   Gön  Day
* Warzeš   warzeš  edman   sport
* Del  del   yurag  heart
* Dast   dast   el   hand
* To   tu   sen   you
* Sar   sar   baş   head 
* Pa  pe   ayak   foot
* Zeban   zeman   dil    language
* Draz   dréž   uzun    long
And all words altogether show that Kurdish is a  dialect of Persian language. Despite this because of separation of some Kurdish societies from Iran, this dialect sometimes has been considered as a different language.--Shadegan (talk) 08:23, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Kurdish is a Persian dialect

message: According to Encyclopedia Iranica During the two centuries in which the whole of Luristan was ruled by hereditary wālīs all the tribes in the region were called Feylī ( It can be concluded that all of tribes include Kurds and Lurs had been called Feyli).At the beginning of the 19th century, the situation changed. Moḥammad-ʿAlī Mīrzā, eldest son of Fatḥ-ʿAlī Shah Qājār (1212-50/1797-1834) and governor-general of Kermānšāh, seized Pīš-e Kūh (the eastern part of Luristan), leaving to the wālī only Pošt-e Kūh (the western part). Furthermore, according to Encyclopedia Iranica the name Feylī had been previously associated with the Solvīzī dynasty, it came to denote only those tribes in the Pošt-e Kūh (Ilam). Explicitly, Encylopedia Iranica indicates that from 200 years ago so far Feyli name has been attributed to Pusht-e Kuh. This Encyclopedia reports that The two major Feylī tribes in Pusht-e Kuh region are Kord and Mahakī (Kurdish). If Ilami tribes were Lur why Iranica Encyclopedia didn't say that Ilami Tribes are Lur and in contrast to Pan Lurs propaganda over Lurish identiy of Ilam has reported that Pust-e Kuh tribes are Kord and Mahaki (Mahaki is Kurdish dialect of Beyray tribe in Ilam) . According to this encyclopedia Pust-e Kuh (Ilam) is Feyli (Because from 200 years ago up to now Feyli word exclusively hase been used to describe Ilam or Pusht-e Kuh not Khoram abad and Lurs) and Kurd not Lur. Feyli Kurds in Pust-e Kuh originally were Kurds  governed and controlled by Lur Ruler. Chardoli tribes who are chardavoli Ilami tribes have migrated from Ilam 800 years ago (Lur rulers captured Ilam or Pusht-e kuh 400 years ago) to Shahin dej, qorveh and asad abad they consider them selves as Kurd and speak Kurdish. Ilami Kurdish dialect is as same as Chardoli tribes. Chardoli tribe dialect is Kurdish and they consider themselves as Kurd. Now, what is the goal of Pan Lurs propaganda to introduce Feyli Kurd tribes (Originally from Ilam) as Lur???.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.84.108 (talk) 08:28, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Pan Lurs try to introduce Feyli Kurds as Lur when Feyli Kurds consider themselves as Kurd 

message: As you said Kurdish can be considered as a dialect of Persian language just like Luri. I am not advocating Kurds. I am Feyli Kurd and I try to focous only on identity of Feyli Kurds. Feyli Kurds are Shia and Northern Iraqi Kurd dont try to solve their problems. When i read Kurd massacre i see Northern Iraqi Kurds try to magnifiy Halabjeh massacre and undermine the massacre of Feyli Kurds i feel disappointment. I see an obvious discrimination between Northern Iraqi Kurds and Iraqi Feyli Kurds. Be sure that I am not a Pan Kurd. I am an Iranian  Shia Kurd and enjoy equality in Iran.  Another question which can be asked is why all of kurds consider themselves as kurd ??? . There is no obligation for  Kurmanj, Soran and Zaza, Feyli Kurd speakers to consider themselves as Kurd. Why do you try to obligate Ilami , Kermanshahi and other Feyli Kurds to accept they are Lur???. You can refer me to all of Books, articles and travelers daily writings from 400 years ago so far (400 years ago Pust-e Kuh was captured by Lur rulers).  As you Know old local governments(such a as Lur rulers or Walis) all over the world have tried to unify  their people with different dialect and race. I am Feyli Kurd as I know all of Ilami and Kermanshahi Feyli Kurds (not Ilami Lurs) consider themselves as Shia Feyli Kurd and no one consider himself as Lur. What is your goal?? are you think that you can change the idea of Feyli Kurds to bring them in your group and organize them as Lur??. My brothers Please accept Feyli Kurds as Shia Kurds with historical ties with Lurs. Feyli Kurds are Part of Iran and followers of 12 Imam Shia. My grand father has died 70 years a go he didn't see any satellite program to be excited and name himself as Kurd but he has said that we are Shia Kurds (Kurmanji Khorasani Kurds are also Shia) and we are not Lur. 
Good Luck  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.70.145 (talk) 09:02, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks -Shadegan for your comment.  You have compared Persian,Kurdish , Turkish and English words and thereby concluded that Kurdish is similar to Persian and Kurdish can be considered as a dialect of Persian language. Based on your conclusion Feyli Kurdish is similar to Sorani Kurdish and is more close to Sorani Kurdish than Luri in other word they are similar to KUrds not Lurs linguistically 

message: Dear realistic Encyclopedia users, the original name for this page, has been Feyli people but due to some ethnocentric efforts by some amateur users this name has changed to a challenging name Feyli Kurds!!!!. By the way, this caused a strong resistance and opposition notes by Lurish and realistic users of Wikipedia. As it is evident  Feylis are and have been an integral part of Lurish community. For decades the title Kurd has attributed to Iranian nomads from total Iran plateau. This phrase included Persian, Lurish and other Iranian nomads. In case of Lurish people, due to signifcfgant similarities and interrelationships they were claimed several times by Kurdish authors to be a branch of so-called Greater Kurdistan. This claim was not welcomed by Lurish community. In Iraq, but the condition has been different. Historically due to bad behaviour received by Arab adjacent groups for centuries and decades (Saddam era cruelty and Anfal genocide tragedy are only a recently well-documented subject) and their significant similarities and interrelationships by their Kurdish adjacent communities, they oriented towards Kurdish integration although they have not denied their Lurish origins at all.  I do not deny significant similarities between these two ethnic groups, but historical and routine evidences confirm their Lurish identity.Shadegan (talk) 12:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop swallowing everyone and everywhere to expand so-called GREAT KURDISTAN!! territory!

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message: This ridiculous edit war has gone on for well over a month now so I have full protected the article (meaning only admins can edit it) indefinitely, i.e. until the dispute is resolved. I have locked both articles in the position of actually having content, rather than arbitrarily choosing one to redirect to the other. I am far from an expert in this topic area and frankly would rather not get involved with ethnocentric issues such as this, but this page is on my watchlist due to previous administrative intervention on the title.My suspicion on reading over what was legible of the talk page is that this article and Feyli Lurs should be merged with due weight given to each academic viewpoint. The resulting merged article should probably then be moved to an NPOV title such as "Feyli people". But as I said, I am not an expert in this area so I leave to those involved in this dispute to make their case. Please cite reliable sources to back your position, refrain from making comments about the motivations of other editors, and remember to sign your posts. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 09:34, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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