Talk:2006 Liberal Party of Canada leadership election/Archive 1

message: Sorry, but I had to edit the page. Nobody knows if Kennedy is running or not. He is very high profile. Whenever he makes his decision, it WILL NOT be with a lone CTV interviewer who cast a spin on one little comment. When he makes a decision, there will be a press conference. Kennedy is still in the running, folks. That's a fact.
:Fair enough if you have some sort of source.  But the blog link that you added only says the not running part.  --JGGardiner 07:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerard Kennedy Again 

message: Someone can add Ruby Dhalla to the list
http://thedanreport.blogspot.com/2006/02/ruby-dhalla-considers-run-at.html
:We don't add people based on blog reports.  I have however added Dhalla per her mention in the Globe and Mail  - Jord 15:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruby Dhalla 

message: The same blog that floated his name is now saying his is not a candidate, please do not re-add him to the list link saying he'll run, link saying he won't.  Even if that were not the case, I do not believe we should add people that have only been mentioned on a blog.  If that were the case, we would have to add Clyde Wells and Paul Hellyer. - Jord 21:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerard Kennedy 

message: Will not be runnings for the leadership for the simple reason that he can not speak French although he is currently enrolled in a course to learn French.  I believe Dryden indicated that he will not run for the leadership at his election day party when Martin resigned.  I haven't found anything in the media confirming this though.--69.156.148.99 21:00, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not speaking French is not enough reason to rule him out, also on the list that can't speak French are: Fry, McLellan and Stronach.  There are several sources that say he may run, unless you can provide a more recent one that says he is not then he should stay on the list - Jord 21:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

text: As things stand right now, there are no clearly declared candidates at all; all we have is media speculation on who might be a candidate. It would constitute original research to make assumptions about who will or won't be a candidate until they speak out for themselves. Dryden stays on the list until he makes a clear statement about his intentions. Bearcat 10:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ken Dryden 

message: I'd argue that Frank McKenna is closely associated with Martin. - User:24.78.106.131
:What is the basis for your argument?  He did not publicly support Martin for leader until John Manley withdrew from the race, he was a close confidante of Jean Chretien and was asked by Chretien to run in 2000 - in fact the deal that McKenna turned down is what was offered to and accepted by Brian Tobin.  How does that make him more closely associated with Martin than Chretien?  In any event, this is moot because McKenna is due to announce today that he will not be a candidate. - Jord 16:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank McKenna's association with Martin 

message: Is there some sort of standard on this page to indicate what positions have been held by a potential candidate?  I notice that it says Sheila Copps is a newspaper columnist while many others don't even have a single ministry listed.  --JGGardiner 17:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the logic is that former minsters are just listed as "former member of the cabinet" because in almost all cases they held more than one portfolio.  The current occupation is listed for obvious reasons. - Jord 20:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense for the first part and is what I had thought was the policy.  But what about inclusion of current occupation?  Should we list what Jane Stewart, Bob Rae and John Manley are doing now?  It seems as though Copps is the exception, not the rule.  --JGGardiner 20:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Positions held

message: I'm told it was reported on Don Newman's "Politics" show that John Godfrey will soon announce he's running for the leadership. Has anyone else heard this?Homey 00:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Politics archives it shows online.  The current one is up already.  Just watching it now.  If you're interested it's at cbc.ca/politics  --JGGardiner 00:51, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it's in the first few of minutes if you watch the video.  It says he has told people that he will do it personally and may make it official as early as next week.  --JGGardiner 01:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Godfrey 

message: Lloyd Axworthy has suggested Irwin Cotler as a possible leader. Homey 20:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irwin Cotler 

message: Nothing against Pinball, I like him but I don't think that one article is sufficient to include him here.  In fact, I don't think that article mentioned him as possible, but rather worthy.  And I think even that may have been good-natured exagerration.  The only bit that comes close to the Liberal leadership is the closing line:
"Sometimes, it's hard to believe any political party seeking fresh leadership for the new Canada of the 21st century isn't pounding on his door."--JGGardiner 20:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pinball

message: How should we deal with Emerson?  Should his floor crossing be added to the timeline?  Perhaps a mention in the will not run section?  --JGGardiner 17:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Emerson

message: Metro, the Toronto Star's free commuter paper, reported that supporters of Carolyn Bennett are encouraging her to run for leader. The story had a "Torstar" byline (which usually means it's a shorter version of a longer Toronto Star article) but I can't find anything like it on the Star's website. Anyone else with a "Carolyn Bennett for leader" sighting?Homey 00:13, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the star reported that she is considering the move because several people have asked her if she intends to run. Carolynparrishfan 18:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carolyn Bennett 

message: I have hidden the candidacy entry for George Tadross  as there is no independent verification - ie all we have is what is purportedly his webpage (literally one page). Until and unless there's mention in the media or on the official Liberal Party website I think it's prudent not to list lest it be a hoax. Once the Liberals establish the rules of the convention we'll have to distinguish between offically registered candidates (ie those who have filed all their papers with all the needed signatures and made what will doubtlessly be a hefty deposit) and "declared" candidates who would include those who have little likelihood of meeting the registration criteria.Homey 17:15, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Tadross 

message: The only source for Louise Arbour is a blog. Homey 17:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, The Tyee is no blog, but a rather well-respected and accredited news outlet out on the left coast, and pretty much the only source of political news in the province not controlled by CanWest.  The fact that the story's from the senior editor makes it of ironclad veritability, and I'd personally place it a cut above Jane Taber's anonymous gossip.  Let's not disregard a news source just because there are comment threads at the bottom, hmm?  The Tom 05:32, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although that does raise the problem of these single source "gossip" reports.  But I'm not sure if I'm interested in setting some sort of criteria for inclusion just yet.  --JGGardiner 05:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think at the moment the only test should be "could you or I have made it up and stuck it on blogspot?"  Much as Ms. Taber's hot scoops on Countdown often prove to be anything but, at the end of the day she's the one with the lanyard around her neck at the Press Gallery whose writings and commentary are followed closely in official Ottawa.  All of our current sources, Tyee included, easily meet that test The Tom 06:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article in question doesn't say that Arbour is thinking of running or that Liberals are thinking of supporting her.  It merely speculates that she would be a good leader.  I don't really think this qualifies her for inclusion on this list.  HistoryBA 16:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says that a group of Liberals are working behind the scenes to convince her to run, which I think does make her includable. - Jord 16:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake.  Thanks for correcting me, Jord.  HistoryBA 16:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbour 

message: Umm, there's no way you're going to be able to document each meeting a candidate has with young Liberals or whoever.
:It might be worth mentioning if he did in fact say that he was being "exploratory".  There's virtually nothing in the article that comes from the potential candidates themselves.  Although I would like to see a source on that, especially since the quote is the essence of the inclusion.  --JGGardiner 06:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to agree, I was at a meeting with one of the potential candidates on Wednesday and know many others who have been at similar meetings, not all are documented by the press and a potential candidate going to such meetings provides us no more information than the fact that they are considering a candidacy, I'll remove this bit from the timeline. - Jord 15:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brison youth meeting 

message: In listing Hargrove as a leadership aspirant, Doug seems to again be pulling stuff out of some godly reservoir of information inaccessible to every other political writer in Canada.  I'm tempted to guess that said reservoir is his ass.
I'm pulling Buzz out until we see corroboration from another source.  Not to sound too self-important, but this article is shaping up to be quite the online clearinghouse of information on this topic, and leaving baseless stuff up is one way to start a runaway rumour train in mainstream sources and, to coin a phrase, create buzz. :)
Apologies, Homey. -The Tom 03:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a Hargrove candidacy is somewhat far-fetched. Homey 03:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doug Fisher and Hargrove