Talk:Diner

message: The text here (and also at American diner) is an excerpt from The American Diner "©1998 Michael Karl Witzel", published in 1998 by MBI Publishing Co., Osceola, WI. The uploader claimed: "All Rights Reserved, reproduced with author's permission. Diner image courtesy of http://www.coolstock.com".
I have e-mailed Mr. Witzel at the e-mail address given on his web page www.michaelwitzel.com. If he doesn't respond and authorize this posting, this text will have to be reverted again. Lupo 21:39, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Witzel material

message: Does anyone else come from an area that uses diner to describe actual restaurants? In New York City, the terms diner and coffee shop are almost interchangeable, and none of them look like rail cars (because we don't have space for them). Cantara 07:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, diners are pretty common in Chicago, Houston, and Atlanta, and are quite distinct from coffee shops.  Diners usually have more of a focus on the food (cheap, hearty, and greasy; burgers, pancakes, and so on), and have a working-class image, while coffee shops have an upper-class/artsy image, and primarily serve coffee with some light snacks.  Perhaps the claim that they're characteristic "especially in New Jersey and other areas of the Northeast" is incorrect?  I've certainly never heard that diners are particularly associated with the northeast.  They're pretty ubiquitous, and if I had to pick a specific region to associate them with, I'd probably pick the midwest. --Delirium 07:25, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I think the intro paragraph should be modded to note that there is both a narrow and a broad meaning. also, I don't think "mobile lunch" is a phrase used by, well, hardly anyone; the link should be "lunch wagon". Akb4 12:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: diner restaurants

message: The only one I know of is the Haven Brothers Diner.  This diner is the trailer of a tractor trailer which, at 4:30pm (most days) pulls up to the street corner by city hall in Providence, RI (USA), plugs its neon sign into a lamp post, and opens for business.  Inside are perhaps four or five stools at a counter, though most people get their food to-go.  See http://www.quahog.org/attractions/index.php?id=5  I just don't have the time to add this at present, but thought someone else might want to. --Badger151 02:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing link between mobile food vendors and diners 

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message: Some method should be employed to edit in that diner style restaurants have been built in Arizona, California, et al.  I do have the impression that some are in Alaska.
Thank You.
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thread_title:  [[elsewhere]]? 

message: did any of mchale's work depict diners? If not, then I suspect that the trivia item referring to which diner he liked should be moved to the article about him; we can't list every notable person's favorite diner on the diners page... -- Akb4 21:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, moved it to the mchale talk page. -- Akb4 20:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: McHale

message: Can someone add something about the "Dinor" spelling -- commonly found in Northwest PA Mfullererie (talk) 04:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dinor" spelling 

message: I have only heard this term in the UK, and it's quite jarring how the article has clearly been written from an American point of view at the top and an English point of view towards the end.  While the US and UK diner (or greasy spoon) may be similar in character, I really think the cultural perception is vastly different.  Besides, greasy spoons already have their own article, the content should be moved there.
emily was here lololololololololololololololololololol  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.75.185.80 (talk) 23:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Greasy Spoon

message: I've been slowly working on photographing many of the New England diners, and putting the images here. If anyone sees any there that would be good for this article, please feel free to either upload & add them, or let me know and I'll upload & add them.Improbcat (talk) 15:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Diner pictures

message: I live in Oregon, and I've never heard of the word "Diner" having any finer meaning than what is referred to in this article as a "Diner Restaurant". Wherein lies the requirement that a "proper" diner be prefabricated, or look like a rail car? Why would that be special? Is there a citation to be had here? Jesset77 (talk) 22:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Prefab?

message: Of the 50 diners in the :Category:diners, only one is in New Jersey, and none of the diners are in Pennsylvania.  Most of the diners listed are in New York, New England, and mid-western or western states. Many of the New England diners are listed in the National Historic Landmarks, and therefore are automatically notable.  It seems to me that it is possible to create articles on New Jersey and Pennsylvania diners with adequate secondary sources, making them notable and able to withstand deletion nominations. What do other editors think? --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:53, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diners in New Jersey or Pennsylvania 

message: I went to Google the "ADA" and found nothing validating the claim of this organization that was theoretically founded in 1943.  They may have existed in 1943 but they don't exist now.  Therefore, this should be re-worded or removed entirely.
I also agree with the previous person regarding NJ/NY diners.  If you're going to put a lot of focus to NJ/NY as home of the Diner, at least put a few good fotos up of famous joints.  (White Mana for example should be the de-facto default image!)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.166.141 (talk) 07:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious about the "American Diners Association" 

message: I recently recreated and expanded the article on what has been called "the most famous diner in America" by the New York Times. I'll leave it up to the regular editors of this article to include some appropriate mention of the location of the Bounty paper towel commercials of the 1970s (and later). Imzadi 1979 →  00:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rosie's Diner]] 

message: How about a link to the article about Portland's Food_carts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdkehoe (talk • contribs) 23:28, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portland's food carts 

message: I have added a "contradiction" tag as it is unlikely that diners originated from BOTH. 140.139.35.250 (talk) 15:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Diners originated as horse drawn carts.  They were not railroad dining cars.  That said, looking for an inexpensive building, some diner owners bought retired railroad or streetcar stock and turned them into restaurants. Typically, they were not very sound structurally or of the quality of a true diner from one of the well known manufacturers. A few dining car-trolley car diners do still exist. --IPBiographer (talk) 02:47, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Agreed.  And, it doesn't look sourced anyway. Delete?--Vistawhite (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

text: As I consider this, I'm inclined to delete the mention of it in the article itself.  There are lots of restaurants that mimic the diner style and there's no reason to call out Denny's specifically.  And, the bit in the article has no sources cited. I think I'll wait a bit to see if the language gets cleaned up to sound less promotional and sources added...if that doesn't happen I'll be happy to delete that part of the article.--Vistawhite (talk) 22:50, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin as horse drawn "lunch wagons" OR "railway dining cars"?

message: The article currently contains the line "Charles Palmer received the first patent (1891) for the diner." I'd like to see more information about this and a citation. A Google Patent search for patents issued in 1891 containing the name Charles Palmer yields no results.  --Trevor Burnham (talk) 16:57, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patent 

message: Is the reference to Dennys in the lead paragraph too blatant? So what if Dennys got on the dinner bandwagon, or is there a stronger cultural aspect in the US that makes it worthy of such a prominent position? 60.242.97.120 (talk) 23:20, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  And, it doesn't look sourced anyway. Delete?--Vistawhite (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

text: As I consider this, I'm inclined to delete the mention of it in the article itself.  There are lots of restaurants that mimic the diner style and there's no reason to call out Denny's specifically.  And, the bit in the article has no sources cited. I think I'll wait a bit to see if the language gets cleaned up to sound less promotional and sources added...if that doesn't happen I'll be happy to delete that part of the article.--Vistawhite (talk) 22:50, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial opportunism? 

message: The Rosebud pic in the article dates to 2012. In 2013, Rosebud was sold.It's not a diner anymore; the new owners gutted the structures and now it is a mid-tier table service restaurant "Rosebud American Kitchen and Bar" that happens to have the shell of an old diner building stuck on the front. The menu, hours, atmosphere, furnishings, business model and cultural role are all not a diner, but you could take a nearly identical photo today, so I think leaving the current caption in place is mis-informative. I feel like the article about diners should not have a picture of something that isn't currently a diner but which does still exist as a business with the same exterior appearance; it's essentially false advertising. We could lose the picture entirely and perhaps replace it with one of the other surviving Worcester lunch cars of that era? Other thoughts? -- Akb4 (talk) 22:09, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rosebud