Talk:Maurice Strong

message: The Oil for Food Scandal was allowed.  Can this be cleaned up to meet the proper standards?  It was removed for "remove unsourced section that contravenes BLP"
Here is the article before this section was deleted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maurice_Strong&oldid=348257920
Carbon Taxation Involvement
Jesse Ventura cited Maurice Strong as being a primary developer of global warming [16], with the goal of creating a global carbon credit taxation. Additionally, there are numerous claims that that the Edmund de Rothschild, a member of the well-known Rothschild family, was working with Strong as well. In essence, Strong has been promoting global warming since the 1980's with the long term goal of helping the United Nations create a carbon tax [17] [18], potentially a trillion dollar business, mainly via carbon credit trading. In 1987, Strong, Rothschild, and presented the Brundtland Commission at the 4th World Wilderness Congress for a World Conservation Bank (or Global Environment Facility) which would provide a banking system for carbon taxation [19]. The Global Environment Facility (or GEF) is an existing multi-billion dollar fund through which green projects are created in 3rd world countries (the largest of its kind), while keeping a portion of the funds for management and administrative fees. Additionally, it hopes to trade the world's debt for wilderness lands as collateral.
As of 2010, Strong is believed to be actively working with China on their government carbon credit trading, as well as with attempting to produce the Chinese owned Chery Automobile in/for the United States market.
::To  insert this, you'd need proper sources. You have none so far. The  sources given were false. Then there is the tone and content, implying  Strong is involved in a conspiracy to create the concept of global  warming, which is nonsense. Why should the opinions of the palooka  Ventura be sprayed all over this man's biography? Bottom line: this  material contravenes the policy of wp:BLP.  Please read the policy carefully. ► RATEL ◄ 22:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please suggest changes in order to meet BLP standards 

message: Maurice Strong article needs to be edited for biased point of view, (npov lacking), against paranoid fantasies of conspiracy theorists.  I would reword the sentence to be less offensive to followers of his well-documented escapades and cite the editor of a firmly established publication,Western Standard, or this article I found , just based on my quick searches to date.  The effect of the original statement aims to discredit anyone who might be suspicious of the intentions of a clearly rich and powerful man by citing only some gun-toting survivalist militias.  I admit to being a newbie, but given time, this could be much more objective and less like an advertisement.  I only just now became a Wikipede (or whatever?) because all I've found in my research of this man is largely biased one way or another.  Thorough research of this man and his "achievements" is WP:FA material, of that I am sure.  The article makes it sound like he was actually competent and noteworthy at the posts that he's held. Whereas, for example, the Ontario Hydro cited was run into the ground in a debacle more resembling Enron.  And his involvement in that specifically?  Well that is part of what I was researching in the first place.--RJT197* 07:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I recalled listening to the Glenn Beck radio program about Maurice Strong, another piece about him was on the Art Bell Coast-to-Coast AM program about Strong wrote in 1998 of a "scientific" goal to save the earth, is to reduce the world's population by nine-tenths (90%). The paranoid conspiracy theorists used this as proof Strong has a diabolical conspiracy planned to take over the world(esp. by his ecological activism and calls to regulate economies to evolved into a global socialist "one world order"). I don't get how he's portrayed as a "3rd antichrist", Maurice Strong is just an international diplomat with a circle of friends in the highest places of the world's economic, political and scientific affairs. + 71.102.7.77 (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Citing "Paranoid Fantasies"??'''

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The new article is nothing less than a hagliography. Applications for sainthood should be submitted to the Pope, after death. Wikipedia is an inappropriate venue. Fred Bauder (talk) 17:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Following the above comments this page on Maurice Strong has been re-done. The earlier article, which has been reported for "disinformation" has been totally and completely revised and edited by user Dondesnet, to reflect the magnitude of the work done by Maurice Strong, both in the industrialised and developing countries, and for the global environmental movement. comment added by Dondesnet (talk • contribs) 17:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Maurice Strong page redone

message: This passage:
"Returning to private life, he acquired effective control and became Chairman of AZL Resources Inc., which had large holdings of ranch lands in the United States, including a major land development in the San Luis Valley of Colorado.  This was underlain by one of the country’s largest underground water reservoirs, which, under Colorado law, others could claim if the landowners failed to develop or use it.  Accordingly, Strong instituted a program through a company, American Water Development, to develop the property on a sustainable basis and use it locally.  When his partners opted for an alternative plan to export the water from the valley, Strong donated his interest to charity."
is unsourced. Please provide a source for the information which it contains. It is generally known that Strong acquired control of AZL, that it owned the Baca Grande land development, and that, together with friends from the environmental movement, created American Water Development and that there is a great reserve of underground water in the San Luis Basin. However, I don't know of any source for the assertions regarding Colorado Water Law, although, perhaps that is what Strong believed. If that is true, please find a reliable source which demonstrates that. In fact, American Water Development, I believe, had to pay the objectors legal fees due to the failure of the corporation to demonstrate facts which would support its application. Regarding Strong's alleged change of mind. While I do not recall it, either from memory, or from the discovery in the case, if he did have such an epiphany, a reliable source is needed. Fred Bauder (talk) 17:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This passage, "to develop the property on a sustainable basis and use it locally." seems rather farfetched. I don't recall any public statement from him at the time, nor I imagine any source for it. If he had such views, please document them by citing a reliable source. Fred Bauder (talk) 17:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced information

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message: I added the bias tag after see the article and determining that it is written from a non-NPOV and needs a major overhaul. Section titles like "Early years: overcoming poverty and hardship" are not appropriate as is the use of images such  as  and  . 203.20.35.28 (talk) 19:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias Tag 

message: I am also a newbie and concerned about the constant attacks and harassment of this individual. This is my first post. To me the article is not biased. The revised article gives a full objective account of Maurice Strong and the impact that he has had throughout the world. The earlier article written about him would have put a smile on Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels. As I understand it, the revised article was written as the earlier article was reported for disinformation. The Section titles like "Early years: overcoming poverty and hardship" are extremely appropriate for the article as it gives a background to the upbringing of Maurice Strong, important in understanding his concerns about poverty and the environment. The use of the logos are also apt. Maurice Strong was a senior official of the UN. It was under him that the UNEP logo was created. Thus the call for the article to be reviewed for neutrality is superficial. Wikiepedia is a democratic communication tool, which has to be used with responsibility.
--Jomoken (talk) 14:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Concern about the Bias Tag

message: I'm not really all that interested in Maurice Strong; I just looked him up after seeing his name. After reading the discussion page, it sounds like this article has shifted from a conspiracy theorist bulletin board to an application for sainthood. I think somebody needs to tone down the awestricken worship factor. I went back and read a few other biographies on wiki and by comparison this one is almost nauseatingly sweet. Anyone that wields as much economic and political power as him deserves a little more scrutiny into their business dealings and ideology.Mrkf650 (talk) 16:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sainthood?? 

message: Sweet?  On the contrary, the language is defamatory, often irrelevant, and puts Wiki in disrepute.
"Some consider Strong a frightening power seeker. "He once did a business deal with arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi, and wound up with a 200,000-acre ranch"  etc., etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.66.54.66 (talk) 20:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly that language is inappropriate for Wikipedia. A strong source would be needed to include such language at all. User:Fred Bauder Talk 21:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweet? 

message: This article reads like a cult of personality, like one person wrote it, and they worship Maurice Strong as a hero. This article is NOT WP:NPOV, and Maurice has got some serious scandals around him. The article glosses over them and acts like he is this incredible person. Mac Davis (talk) 18:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This entire article is directly copied from Maurice Strong's website. Mac Davis (talk) 18:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cult of personality 

message: Crazy ass Glenn Beck just directed his minions to attack Mr. Strong. You may want to up the protection on this. PartyJoe (talk) 21:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See what I mean  PartyJoe (talk) 21:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

text: 23 edits today, nothing from April 5th to yesterday. Glenn Beck is evil. PartyJoe (talk) 21:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning 

message: A quick look at the recent history of this article shows to me that some negotiation should take place here. Apart from that, the article has other issues, particularly with images and references, but those can be dealt with at a later stage. I have no stake here, but I an read an article's edit history. Meanwhile, please all look at WP:RS and WP:NPOV. Thanks. Rodhullandemu 22:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-protection

message: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120401739.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64601-2005Apr18.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6233-2005Apr20.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A11884-2003Jan18?language=printer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64601-2005Apr18?language=printer
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/02/world/un-seeks-third-world-ecology-aid.html?pagewanted=1
http://www.nytimes.com/cfr/international/mustreads031003.html?pagewanted=print&position=top
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/04/world/rio-planner-a-magnate-who-meditates.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/international/07nations.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/03/world/unicef-says-un-reforms-could-harm-the-world-s-children.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/28/world/japan-launches-spy-satellite-despite-north-korean-threats.html?pagewanted=1?pagewanted=1
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/01/world/un-following-up-accords-from-rio.html?pagewanted=1?pagewanted=1
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/09/business/company-long-distance-recycling-earth-summit-petitions-are-being-put-test.html?pagewanted=1?pagewanted=1
 kgrr talk 14:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Credible References

message: Strong's autobiographical writing, Where on Earth are We Going  was published in 2001 and is now available in the aftermarket for a nominal price, 32 cents plus postage from  betterworldbooks through Amazon (described as good, but actually a new remainder). This material, while inappropriate for use as self-serving explanation or justification of Strong's controversial actions contains a great deal of biographical information that can be used in this article. Although it is edited it also gives a very good picture of how Strong thinks and why he takes the positions he does, as does his website, http://www.mauricestrong.net/ User:Fred Bauder Talk 21:26, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at his version of "facts" about the Crestone area, let me say that there is much error regarding settled matters and little or no fact-checking. User:Fred Bauder Talk 21:46, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Autobiography

message: Strong has an engaging Horatio Alger style personal narrative and three main areas of activity: political, environmental, and business. This is overlain by his vision of environmental apocalypse and the draconian remedies he proposes and their political context. His political activity involves both his relatively unsuccessful Canadian career and his substantial achievements at the United Nations, as well as his advocacy of authoritarian democracy of the Chinese style. His environmental achievements should form the featured core content of the article. His business ventures, successful, unsuccessful, and ill-advised should be included but not featured. He is notable particularly for his ability to make friends with the powerful and to cultivate those relationships. His spiritual and political visions, unless they should gain more traction among the mass public than they have should be a footnote, noted but not overshadowing his recognized achievements. The existence of conspiracy theories should be noted and explained, but should not be interwoven in his personal narrative absent reliable sources which establish that such activities and motivations are, in fact, his. User:Fred Bauder Talk 22:42, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Structure of the article

message: Maurice Strong was affiliated with the Rockefeller Foundation. In 1972 he had his first appearance as a trustee and as a member of the executive committee.
http://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/uploads/files/7e88fac4-f468-46ba-85b3-9c3bf196e854-1972.pdf (p. 8)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.179.38.216 (talk) 15:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So what happened? I remember David Rockefeller visiting him in Crestone, but the Rockefeller Foundation did not seem to be a significant part of his activities, in contrast to Aspen Institute, which he invited to Crestone; they did not stay but moved to Camp David. User:Fred Bauder Talk 09:18, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rockefeller Foundation 

message: I can find no trace of Maurice Strong in the Royal Society records.Plucas58 (talk) 21:06, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It was User:Graham11 some time ago. He added it to the lede, but it was at that point already "sourced" within the article (see below). However, I think it is an error. He isn't on https://royalsociety.org/~/media/Royal_Society_Content/about-us/fellowship/Fellows1660-2007.pdf (and some other living ones are). It was sourced thus: "* Fellow of the The Royal Society (FRS)  http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=1737 Retrieved on December 27, 2007" However, http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=1737 is now dead. But there's an IA from the 30th, http://web.archive.org/web/20071230040853/http://www.royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=1737. That is an "awards" page, and is clearly not a correct source for the FRS info. Ah, and that was  by User:Dondesnet who massively extended the article as a hagiography ("Maurice Strong is the world’s leading environmentalist...") and that's pretty well all their contributions William M. Connolley (talk) 23:44, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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message: As noted above, Strong is the subject of vague conspiracy theories, and although I expect editors have tried to clean it up, the text still reads as if it were partly written by conspiracy theorists.
:Controversy
:Maurice Strong was no stranger to skepticism and criticism as a result of his lifelong involvement in the oil industry, juxtaposed with his heavy ties to the Environment. Some wonder why an “oilman” would be chosen to take on such coveted and respected environmental positions. One of Strong’s companies, Desarrollos Ecologicos (Ecological Development), built a $35 million luxury hotel within the Gandoca-Manzillo Wildlife Refuge where development is restricted and must be approved by the Kekoldi Indian Association, which it was not. “He (Strong) is supporting Indians and conservation around the world and here he’s doing the complete opposite,” lamented Demetrio Myorga, President of the Kekoldi Indian Association.[37]
:Further skepticism arose due to his continual promotions to titles of power, likely due to his political connections. Additionally, Strong was involved in several legal battles and scandals over the years where he conveniently seemed to recuse himself from the situation before being held personally responsible.[38]
If the first paragraph were sourced and re-written about an incongruity between his diplomatic and industrial roles, and a source better than Canada Free Press found, this theme could be encyclopedic. "juxtaposed with his heavy ties to the Environment" reads as absurd, and it's not clear why "oilman" is in quotation marks.
Maybe add a sourced section on posthumous conspiracy theories instead? Then it might be clearer what had been said or alleged or implied. Really we want someone to write a proper biography. -Cedderstk 20:20, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really needs work - 'Criticism'