Talk:Union of the Centre (2002)

message: I have taken the liberty of adding a "local" perspective and to explain the estero riding concept, a novel one except for the Romans who allowed a Citizen of Rome to vote anywhere, but of course at that time Rome owned everywhere. Can't help you with the name, except that the DC (Democrazia Cristiana) is still the calling card and most candidates througout the  world for the 12 seats and 6 senatorial seats insist that they are in the tradition of the La Democrazia Cristiana, associated with the economic miracle and the good old days pre-Berlusca, as they "affectionately" call the Cavaliere of Forza Italia.
This article has experienced a number of moves in its recent past, because of different interpretations about its actual correct translation. I looked around to have a look about the translations used in the web, and (surprise!) I have found different ways of translating it even there.
Notably:
*The Financial Times  uses the name "Union of Christian Democrats"; it is used this way also in a San Diego, California website  (but the news seems to be taken from Reuters);
*The AGI, an Italian news agency, uses the notation "Christian Democratic Union"  in its English-language version;
*"Union of Christian and Center Democrats" is instead suggested by the CIA World Factbook .
Anyway, the current name is wrong, because it includes with no reason the useless "(Italy)" disambiguation part in the title. The "Union of Christian and Centre Democrats" page exists, and is actually a redirect to this one.
Tell me what to do guyz, I'm gonna hopefully propose a final move for this article. --Angelo 16:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name issue

message: I disapprove the classification of the party as "centrist". While it is commonly considered centrist in Italy, the party is not centrist by European standards. Given the fact that the UdC is quite a tiny party, some journalists might not have made enough research on it. --Checco (talk) 09:14, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. It is quite clear from the content of the article, and an understanding of the UDC/UdC and its history, that it is not objectively a centrist party in the widely-recognised sense of the term due to its strongly socially conservative stances. These seems to be the case of English-language journalists taking the name of the party a bit too literally in good faith.--Autospark (talk) 11:18, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahaa, these "european standards" (what a beautiful original research). Really, this party has been allied both with the centre-right and the centre-left. Normally, a party such as this, situated between the left and the right, is considered "centrist". An information demonstrated by a lot of sources can't be deleted for the personal opinion of two users --Maremmano (talk) 22:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Following your reasoning, are the Independent Greeks a left-wing party? Please avoid mockery. --Checco (talk) 14:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Evidently you didn't understand my reasoning, all sources indicate the Independent Greeks as a right-wing party. Excluding the only electoral alliance with the Panhellenic Citizen Chariot in 2012, the party has never made other electoral alliances with left-wing parties. However, "European standards" is an empty term without sources, the informations can't be based on original researches--Maremmano (talk) 14:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but we should use and interpret sources accurately and put them in the correct context (otherwise, most political terms can be misleading, just think of liberalism, let alone centrism). That is what consensus is all about. --Checco (talk) 16:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed the UDC is perfectly a centrist party in our contest and however there isn't the consensus to delete the information--Maremmano (talk) 18:21, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no consensus to keep it either. Describing the UDC/UdC as "centrist" is a misrepresentation of the party's history and ideology. Terms like centre-left, centre-right (etc) typically refer to a position on the political spectrum, not (as is usually the case in Italian politics) whether a party is affiliated to a specific bloc/alliance/coalition of parties.--Autospark (talk) 19:24, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't a misrepresentation, excluding a proven information for the only volition of two users would be unfair. Indeed an information based on a lot of sources doesn't need consensus --Maremmano (talk) 21:05, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not understand what you wanted to said exactly, but you are wrong. Editors of Wikipedia always need to choose between an high number of sources and seek consensus. --Checco (talk) 09:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centrist or centre-right?