Talk:Chthonic (band)

message: I'm just curious how the hanzi name of Chthonic (閃靈樂團) sounds when spoken. :) In pinyin it would be something like shǎnlíng(lè/luò/yào/yuè/liáo...?)tuán, from what I understand (which of the lè/luò/yào/yuè/liáo is correct?), but in taiwanese I reckon it sounds different... also, what does it "mean"... if anything. --Unsound 15:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Babel Fish spit this out: Dodges the spirit philharmonic orchestra. Their MySpace states this:   "CHTHONIC is derived from the Greek god of the underworld with the phonetic translation into Mandarin as Shan-ling." So maybe Shan-Ling is just "Chthonic" and the rest is like a subtitle? --Infosocialist 05:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What babel fish says is hardly relevant at all. ;) Well, I had not read that, so it's nice that you point it out. 閃靈 (shǎnlíng) meaning literally Chthonic wasn't what I had expected, but it makes sense of course. As A-giau points out below, 樂團 means "band". In europe we don't call our bands "Dimmu Borgir-band" and such, but I guess it's a language thing. --Unsound 15:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: 樂團(yuètuán) simply means "band".  In Taiwanese it'd be "Siám-lêng Ga̍k-thoân".  A-giau 07:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I figured the last two characters out since I wrote that. Thanks for the info on the taiwanese pronounciation! --Unsound 15:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation of 閃靈樂團 

message: They [reported] today that Ozzy Osbourne was a member of the band
:After 14 failed attempts at joining the United Nations using media campaigns and presidential appeals, Taiwan is turning to a local goth-style rock band backed by Ozzy Osbourne in its quest for membership to the world body. The band, named ChthoniC, will travel to at least 80 cities in four countries by the end of the year, supported in part by the Taiwan government, which is providing pro-U.N. literature and a slogan-painted truck.
—Wasabe3543 17:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe (according to that passage) that they were implying Ozzy Osbourne is a member of the band. I believe that they were saying Ozzy Osbourne backed the band in their movement, as in, trying to provide support and assisting them in their struggle for recognition. I hope that helps!--Jacob 12:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They got two descriptions wrong in that report ;)JanderVK (talk) 11:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Reuters report 

message: What is this Taiwanese Identification? There's no wikipage by that name and google doesn't know either? Is it supposed to be Taiwanese Independence? Foolip 10:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taiwanese Identification 

message: This article lists Chthonic as a "melodic black metal" band, but I think they better fit, and are most often labelled as "symphonic black metal". Any input? --Jacob 23:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: ChthoniC calls the 2-string instrument "Hena" in their native language. It should be almost the same with "Er-hu", but I still update the name of it with "Hena", since we should all respect all native languages. --Hisakon 1 August 2007
:There isn't much room for being unspecific in what the instrument is called. The erhu can be called a hena, but the mojority of people won't know what a hena is (not that many know erhu either). The Wikipedia article for Hena redirects to Henna as well (which should be replaced witha  disambiguation page soon), so any confusion there should be avoided. This being the English Wikipedia, we should stick to the most common name for the instrument in English speaking countries. I have moved "hena" to a paranthetical note beside erhu so people understand when viewing multiple sources that the two instruments are equivalent, but the rest of the article should practice the easiest nomenclature. --Jacob 21:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What language is "hena"? I've never heard this term. What are the Chinese characters for it? Badagnani 22:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it the Hokkien pronunciation for 絃阿? Badagnani 23:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instruments 

message: According to all articles on medias about ChthoniC's political views, they support freedom, human rights, and democracy. And they fight against Chinese government to intend to occupy Taiwan. There is nothing radical or related to Negationism in these messages that they express. If anybody thinks their political views are radical or Negationism, please provide the evidence. Thanks a lot. --Hisakon 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:This was a very good point to make, as many people dismiss things they don't like as "radical". Chthonic's overall political message is as about as "radical" as slaves wanting to be free. There's simply just an overpowering authority to dismiss them as "radical", when they are only demanding basic rights. --Jacob 21:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political views 

message: I was reading this snippet
Although the lyrics are quite profound compare to most contemporary Taiwanese songs, many Taiwanese people don't prefer black metal vocal and said that they can't understand anything sung by Freddy, which is probably why Chthonic is said to be more famous in western countries than in Taiwan.
It doesn't look proper to me, not because of the language issues which are easily fixed, but because the paragraph makes some claims that seem anecdotal at best and the author seems to make his own conclusions about popularity in different regions in the world.
I suggest this paragraph is rewritten a little bit. Think about what you want to get across to the audience, and what facts you have that back it up. Remember to keep Original Research out of it.
(edit: fixing sig.)
--Popoi (talk) 22:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics Section Suggestion 

message: I updated the page by adding information about the new album into the history section. I wasn't sure where else to put it. It may need some cleaning up or moving though. The information regarding the new albums release date, recording, and currently verifyed tracks. I also added the fact that Su-Nung The Bloody String, the bands er-hu player, will be leaving the band following the release of the album in 2009 in order to pursue a career in music of his own. Møk3 (talk) 04:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Information for the New Album 

message: They aren't officially acknowledged in China.
Do they have a name officially in mainland China?
If those are just translated words, they can be deleted.Feickoo (talk) 11:07, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Pinyin and Simplified Chinese? 

message: Thank you all for having done the editing for Chthonic (band). I am friends with Freddy and Doris and often help them by editing English for them. Now they wonder if I can help to get the wiki edited to their liking. However, I know almost nothing about how to do this (yet). Would someone be able to help out to add text (with citation), photos and a song? Jvc88889 (talk) 22:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It all depends on what you want to add. We're not going to add a whole song... this is not advertising space. Photos are fine, as long as they're fair use. Text again is fine, as long as it's not advertising. Ideally, it wants to be text from a third-party source... interviews or reviews in the commercial print press, for instance. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 10:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help a newby? 

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message: This article had a "C" grade in the four different WikiProjects for quite some time. Given recent additions and improvements by myself and others, including many new citations, as of today I feel that the article qualifies for a "B" grade per the quality requirements at Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment, Wikipedia:WikiProject Metal/Assessment, Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Metal/Assessment, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Taiwan/Assessment. Anyone can disagree and revert the grade as they see fit; one minor problem is that some of the sources might be deemed "unreliable." Thanks. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 21:35, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
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