Talk:Phil Angelides

message: If I knew how to say the guy's name, I'd do it myself, but: "lead" is pretty unclear.  Is that pronounced "leed" or "led"?  I suspect the former, but it could be either.  One way or the other, the middle syllable should be clarified as either "leed" or "led".
The last edit to this page removes the last portion of this sentence, everything after "sprawl".
Sacramento area environmentalists criticize him for contributing to the area's sprawl, although he took a significant financial risk when he built Laguna West, a pioneering attempt at creating a pedestrian friendly and environmentally sustainable community which has had a major impact on later suburban developments.
This edit was done by 24.126.118.178, who previously added "However, Angelides has been critized by many for his overly agressive campaign tactics and penchant for negative campaigning." in the August 22nd revision. THe latter could be a balancing statement (although how many politicians can't be criticized this way?), but the latest edit leaves in a criticism without a balancing mitigation. Given the status of Phil Angelides as a candidate in a high profile election (Governor of California) next year, the editors need to keep a close watch on the editorial objectivity of this page's content. I'm going to re-edit the page to make the relevance of the latter portion of the statement clearer. Hopefully this will satisfy folks. --Tvleavitt Thu Nov 17 18:02:12 PST 2005
===Political POV pushing===
Yeah, it's obvious that this page has gotten dirty already, and it's my guess that Westly campaign operatives are editing it.  For example that thing about unloading Laguna West was lifted directly from an op-ed written by a Westly campaign operative.  The Steve Westly article doesn't seem similarly slimed at the moment.  I don't know much about either of these guys besides that they both seem like typical lame California politicians, but the sliming going on here is reflecting badly on Westly.  If it's really being done by Westly supporters, they should consider that they might not be having the effect they intended. Phr (talk) 09:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted some stuff from Westly's article mocking him for not having all the endorsements Angelides does. It's most likely the Westly supporters here and the Angelides supporters at the Westly article doing it, but we can't trace it to either campaign without more proof. It can also be supporters of each camp trying to spike the articles and blame it on the other side.--Folksong 20:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Yeah, it's obvious that this page has gotten dirty already, and it's my guess that Westly campaign operatives are editing it.  For example that thing about unloading Laguna West was lifted directly from an op-ed written by a Westly campaign operative.  The Steve Westly article doesn't seem similarly slimed at the moment.  I don't know much about either of these guys besides that they both seem like typical lame California politicians, but the sliming going on here is reflecting badly on Westly.  If it's really being done by Westly supporters, they should consider that they might not be having the effect they intended. Phr (talk) 09:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted some stuff from Westly's article mocking him for not having all the endorsements Angelides does. It's most likely the Westly supporters here and the Angelides supporters at the Westly article doing it, but we can't trace it to either campaign without more proof. It can also be supporters of each camp trying to spike the articles and blame it on the other side.--Folksong 20:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Political POV pushing

message: If the anon attack edits intensify in the next few days (the primary election is June 6) then admins shoud think about semi-protecting this page.  Some of the attacks seem to come directly from the Westly campaign (example) which suggests that political operatives are working on it.  I'm going to have limited internet access after this weekend but I hope people can keep an eye on the article (and the one about Westly, if attacks against Westly start showing up there).  Phr (talk) 02:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  semi protection 

message: "Leader in the corporate reform movement?" "worked to protect the state's creditworthiness during a series of revenue shortfalls precipitated by California's "dot com" era economic downturn?" This is blatant POV and before I remove it, does anyone have any objections?
It seems that Angelides and Westly supporters are editing each of their candidates, as well as opponents' pages. I wouldn't be surprised if they're editing their candidate's page, and blaming it on the other camp.--Folksong 20:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the corporate reform stuff should be rephrased in a neutral way with specifics if possible; similarly with the state treasurer stuff.  I'd say in general in both of these pages, positive statements should have self-serving language toned down but whoever added the statements should be given a reasonable chance to add specific documentation before the statement is removed.  Negative stuff unless documented should be removed right away.   This is reasonably consistent with WP:LIVING.  Unfortunately I can't participate since I'm leaving Wikipedia for several weeks starting tomorrow. Phr (talk) 21:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I've added some sources and removed the POV section; hopefully now the issue is all cleared up. Ginniola 17:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The section on Angelides' tenure as State Treasurer reads like an ad. It's fine to say that "Angelides worked to increase business disclosure in CalPERS" but it's not OK to use biased wording "In his role as trustee of the California Public Employees' Retirement System (one of his duties as state treasurer), he has led initiatives to spur economic progress in California communities through targeted investments." Anything in an article which is not a straight fact-by-fact basis and can be in favor of a candidate or against a candidate is WP:POV and should not be used. Also, please do not delete the criticisms against Laguna West. It is fine to put a response to that, but deleting that is not neutral. We cannot use statement from a candidate's website also to justify support for one of their issues.--Folksong 23:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV of section 

message: So looking throught the article which is cited for the junk about Laguna West being served a cease and desist order by the EPA, it seems to say that this particular development has won a bunch of enviro-awards and that the disputed development was actually at Lexington Hills.  (Last four paras in the Bee article.  Am I reading this right?  Obhaso 05:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that's right, though Laguna West, despite the awards, has been criticized for not living up to its promise as well.  I might move the Lex Hills thing to a separate paragraph, so that it doesn't come in the middle of Laguna West.  I'd also like to see something about how it got resolved. --Caliwiki 07:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  River West and Laguna West 

message: There have been a rash of anti-liberal vandals inserting wild accusations and POV onto this page and others. Please revert once they post.--Folksong 05:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-liberal vandals 

message: None of the three citations indicated for reducing the voting age work (one is a broken link and the other two say nothing about the voting age).  This should be removed if they are not updated.
Hasn't the FCIC disbanded?  If so, then statements about how Angelides "is" the chairman thereof should be re-written into the past tense, should they not? --Christofurio (talk) 13:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  voting age 

message: This reads like a bio that I would write for myself for a conference I was speaking at.  The article needs a more balanced view of Angelides political / ideological positions which are progressive left.  The political motivation for forming the FCIC in a manner doomed to fail including placing Angelides on it is not discussed. Danleywolfe (talk) 16:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
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