Talk:Lord Charles Beresford

message: This article is awful and needs completely rewriting.  Any rewrite should use:
*The biography by Geoffrey Bennett,
*Beresford's books:
**The Breakup of China,
**The Betrayal, and 
**his two volume autobiography
*Various good sources on the internet listing the ships he served on
*I suppose you might want to use the book quoted about Battenberg - though Beresford's biography does not support the allegations
*Properly researched histories of the Navy such as Marder (not 'blog'-type books such as Massie, which lack adequate citations
--Toddy1 (talk) 20:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Having a copy of massie here I would observe it seems to have just as many citations as I would expect, they are just listed in one look-up section at the back rather than by numbered notes on each page. I havn't read all of 'dreadnought',  but I read a chapter about beresford. It did not pretend to be a full biography of the man, just what was relevant to the subject of the book, how he reacted with Fisher and what was relevant to the story of the navy's development. On the other hand, wiki is hardly the place for an utterly comprehensive biography either. I may work on this article, and if I do, I doubt it will read as it now does once Massie's info has worked into it. Sandpiper (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: Would it not be more correct for 1st Baron Beresford to form part of the article title as accessed, rather than Lord Charles Beresford?  His barony was arguably of senior rank to his familial title of Lord Charles Beresford (held as younger son of a Marquess).Cloptonson (talk) 19:55, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No doubt there are those who would argue that because Beresford was known by his courtesy title most of his life, his article ought to reflect that.  I would counter that because he specifically asked for a peerage (and got it), the article title ought to reflect his barony. Wikipedia is supposed to educate as well as inform after all. —Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 19:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But we do not usually use titles such as "Lord" in article titles. As a rule, we would prefer the format Charles Beresford, 1st Baron Beresford. A discussion concerning WP:COMMONNAME, WP:NCPEER etc would seem worthwhile. Off the top of my head, I prefer Cloptonson's version but that is for no other reason that it is how we usually do it. - Sitush (talk) 11:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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message: http://books.google.com/books?id=EfflAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA535#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=FWgKAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA289#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=hLs0AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA289#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=VSZRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1021#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 06:46, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Google Books doesn't show the same content throughout the world and I cannot see the pages that you have linked above, only what they call "snippet view". What mis-spellings are you referring to? Could you type some out, please? - Sitush (talk) 06:59, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Rajmaan, are you referring to the contemporary spellings which he used in his work?  For example, on page 289 of The Break-Up of China he uses a number of Russian names the spellings of which are hardly current.  I fail to see why this is an issue. —Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 09:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, this may be the equivalent of archaic Hindoo vs. Hindu. If so then, yes, it is of no relevance. - Sitush (talk) 09:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: no. The first link i posted is really hilarious, it was an 1899 article published in "Literature" by The Times and noted that Bereaford made errors spelling almost every single foreign word in his book, russian, chinese, and japanese. Since the work is in public domain, i will paste it here in a quote for you to look atRajmaan (talk) 07:43, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Thanks. It isn't really a concern for this article, though. People make mistakes and spellings change over time. Unless he was known for such eccentricities - William Archibald Spooner, for example - it really doesn't matter here. - Sitush (talk) 11:17, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord Charles Beresford's numerous mispellings in his book