Talk:Censorship in Portugal

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Hi there, I noticed you made some changes to the article I have been translating and I thank you for cooperation. However, you changed vetted to rejected in the case of José Saramago and this is incorrect, Souza Lara had the fina say on the applications from Portugal and he used his power of veto to block  Saramago's bock, hence, he vetted it. Also, I am aware that the comment on lobbying is not on the original Portuguese version, and I included it for clarity, as many English-speaking readers (Americans) would not understand why are lobbies refered here, since they are perfectly legal in the US. Galf 18:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The portuguese version clearly says "veto" meaning as ypu say to block; it seems to me that the sense of "vet" as ordinarily used in English does not necessarily entail rejection.--CSTAR 18:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah! I knew there was a good reason for not reverting other people's work. :-) do you think "Vetoed" would be more clear? This is the reason why I asked for native speaker to help, but can we have this discussion on the [Lara and the Veto|article's talk] instead? Galf 09:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well I could have used "veto" (not vet, though), particularly since veto does imply rejection with the understanding that the person rejecting has final say, although sometimes it is used incorrectly to say rejection pure and simple. However, it would be better to say Souza Lara who had the final say on the applications from Portugal rejected Saramago's book or something like that.--CSTAR 16:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Souza Lara and the Veto

message: Among other small changes, I substituted "the Dominicans" for "the Order of St. Dominic," in spite of the original article's reading "a Ordem de São Domingos"...in English, this order is known as the Dominicans their official name, the Order of Preachers. Benami 02:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand: are they better known in  English as Dominican or Order of St. Dominic? because in portugal there are the Dominicans, which would be the ones present at the time and Irish missionaries from the order os St. Dominic. the 1st are priests, the second, nuns. So are we referring to the right ones?Galf 16:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The order of priests is known colloquially in English as the Dominicans, a native English speaker will assume that is what the reference is to; any order of women religious (that is, nuns) would not be anywhere as well known to English speakers by that name. -Fsotrain09 17:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is the case than we should definetly preserve Dominicans, because it is of Dominican Priests we are talking about here. No disretecpa, but I don't really imagine nuns running the inquisition....Galf 18:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inquisitorial censorship 

message: I think that at this point we should make an effort to see which redlinks have articles or even stubs on the Portuguese Wikipedia, and start the translation necessary to blueify them. With a major topic like this, there is a great opportunity to counter systematic bias through the associated articles. Thoughts? --Fsotrain09 01:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have started some of that, but there's a lot to cover. Even prime ministers ware missing articles....I don't think we should de-wikilink, though. I'm portugese, but I'm not familiar with some of the periods, specially pre-republic, so information will have to be traced. I have my issues with the portuguese wikipedia editorship, but I am assuming that even redlinks in that article are somewhat important and were to be developed later. Some of the newspapers might have been absorbed into bigger ones, as happened with "O Açoriano" wich became "O Açoriano Oriental" and is now part of the Diário de Noticias group, and is still published online today. The main thing I'd like the article to convey is how the censorship covered itself, not only to abscond information from the public, but even it's own existance and how this led to the suspicion of censorship in modern portuguese society. Also, the evolution from public burnings, to more covert police arrassment, to the doctoring of news so as not to show censorship to quasi-cabalistic behind the scenes pressures of today, showing a "refinement of technique" to achieve the same goal.Galf 11:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The red links  

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