Talk:Croatian Air Force

message: There is no such organization in Croatia, it is either Croatian Air Force and Air Defense or Croatian Air Force.
Hrvatsko Ratno Zrakoplostvo means Croatian Air Forces. Change it, thanx Mic of orion (talk) 14:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Croatian Air Force and Defense 

message: Mic of orion 16:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mig21 immage posted on wiki of Croatian Airforce.  

message: The Croatian Ministry of Defence (MORH , www.morh.hr for links to certain relevant documents) reports the proposed accquisition of 5 Zlin 142 basic trainers in 2007. There is no official record (or independent as far as I can find) of 2 Zlin 242L aircraft having been delivered to the HRZ during 2006, nor of an existing order for an additional 4 such aircraft.
The modernization programme extends the service-life of Croatia's An-32s until at least 2015 (probably 2020) and since this is continuing, I would suggest that this undermines the reports of the accquisition of 3-5 large transport aircraft (again not officially recorded in MORH documents). Speculation on the expansion of the transport fleet by 1-2 aircraft may be reasonable, but any further procurements would not be financially viable.
Neither is their any official record of plans to create a capable ASW helicopter fleet nor do funds exist for a significant expansion of this.
The statement about the procurement of 4-8 corvettes from France has no foundation in MORH policy, and all independent records suggest that any procurement would be from Sweden (Goteborg class) rather than France. There is an MORH plan to create an off-shore patrol force (project beginning 2009), but whether advanced ships like the Goteborg class fall into this category (particularly considering financial constraints and plans to reduce the HRM's RBS-15 SSM arsenal) is debatable.
The MORH does not make any suggestion of an expansion to the CL-415 fleet.
It should be noted that most of these objections to the article are raised from the absence of official Croatian government documents on the procurement plans and impossibilities raised by financial considerations over the current 2006-2015 procurement period.
KPThaller 11:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Procurement Plans Accuracy 

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message: In the official page,Croatian air force have 24 mig and not 12.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.172.251.123 (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers of Mig 21 

message: current helicopter fleet consist of 24 Mil 171sh/8MTV and 8 Bell 206, but this barley suffices the need of the air force. 
Long term plan calls for 12 attack helicopters, 24 transport helicopters, 6 antisubmarine helicopters, 4 Search and rescue helicopters and up 12 utility and training helicopters.
Giving us a fleet that might look something like this around 2020, btw this is all speculative, and it depends on Croatia's ability to mange its finances and keep defence budget at around 2% of GDP..  
*24x NH90 or Eurocopter AS532 Cougar - transport and liaison
*10x AS 565 or AgustaWestland AW109 - ASW and SAR 
*12x Boeing AH-64 Apache or Eurocopter Tiger - Attack and anti tank
*10x EC145 or Bell 206 - Training and Utility  
*18-24x EF2000 or JAS39C/D - attack/intercept
*20x PC9M (modernisation around 2017/8)Advanced Training 
*8x Zlin 242L Basic Training 
*6x CL 415 Fire Fighting
*6x AT802 Fire Fighting
*5x C27J or CN295 - Tactical Transport and Para Training 
*2x CL604 - VIP 
*3x Pilatus PC6 or similar - utility and light transport 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.53.72 (talk) 11:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helicopter & Fixed Aircraft possible future procurements 

message: Are you sure they are proposed? These are not produced anymore so how can have they been proposed? Matthieu (talk) 11:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mirage F1 and Mirage 2000 

message: Since NDH is not by any legal line predecessor of today's Republic of Croatia it cannot be said that Croatian aviation beginnings were in the Croatian Air Force Legion. If anything from that period can be considered the beginning it must be the small partisan air force(Yugoslav_Partisans#Partisan_Air_Force).
:Yeah, it "wasn't the predecesor of today's Republic of Croatia" but was supported by almost all the population of Croatia, because the Croats were dominated in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. The today's rulers of Croatia said that the NHD wasn't the predecesor state of Croatia for political reasons. If they supported the NDH will recive a international conviction. It's very simple, the victors in war are those who decide who was the "Criminal state" and who wasn't. --190.172.241.32 (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aviation history 

message: This article mixes both variants but according to WP:ENGVAR it must be consistent in the variety of English used. How does the Croatian goverment spell it in their English documents, press releases, etc? Roger (talk) 06:17, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just found the answer, the official website uses Defence - http://www.morh.hr/en/ - I'm going to fix this article now. Roger (talk) 06:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defence or defense? 

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message: Ona March 23rd, Croatian Parliament officially changed the name of Croatian Air Force and Air Defense by removing Air Defense from the name. So the official name is now only Croatian Air Force. The Title of the article should be changed to reflect that, as it is now inaccurate.
Media report in Croatian: https://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/sabor-u-petak-mijenja-svoj-poslovnik---511098.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.252.215.223 (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air force renamed to Croatian Air Force, Air Defense dropped 

message: Since Croatian Air Force dropped "Air Defence" from it's title back in 2018 we should update the emblem graphic to avoid confusion, some Wikipedia users didn't get the news in the past year and a half.
https://www.morh.hr/vlada-usvojila-konacne-prijedloge-zakona-o-obrani-i-sluzbi-u-osrh/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.141.144.163 (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update of Croatian Air Force emblem graphic 

message: A Mil M-2 was reported being used by the Croatian Air Force in the 1990s registered 9A-HNA, anybody have any reliable sources on this, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: 9A is a Croatian civilian register, here you can see that it's unconfirmed. http://www.rotorspot.nl/historic/9a.php   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.138.5 (talk) 09:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Mil Mi-2

message: Just a note to people editing the ordered number of helicopters. Two helicopters are to be received by Croatia, however, another two are still waiting approval from the US Congress. This means that no actual order for the other two helicopters has been established yet and that there are still only a total of two helicopters on order, not four. The article can be updated when progress has been made on the second order (Congress approves and Croatia officially passes the order), but this requires a source that explicitly states that an order has been approved.--Estonian1885 (talk) 11:54, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we finally amend this to 4, since it's been a while since this was confirmed and all 4 helicopters are already in production and will be delivered early next year. Lucius Baine (talk) 16:26, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: All 4 UH-60M (2 bought directly from Sikorsky and 2 donated by US Army) totalling 4 in current iventory 2A02:1810:3E21:A500:FD6A:2D35:5D9B:169C (talk) 18:08, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: UH-60M

message: Two more helicopters arrived Black Hawk that they were ordered and now there are 4 of them, so if someone can write it  because the page is write-protected https://defbrief.com/2022/12/03/croatia-receives-2nd-black-hawk-pair-from-the-us/ 78.0.36.230 (talk) 11:18, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two more helicopters arrived