Talk:List of Heroes graphic novels

message: Has anyone found the easter egg in this? I know it's not the Nissan Versa site.
Or isn't there an easter egg in this one?
--Addict 2006 06:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't think there is one. All of the others were fairly easy to find. I doubt one exists. Love to be proven wrong though. Novastarj 23:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Easter egg for "Snapshots"

message: Just want to get some quick thoughts. Each issue has a tagline that appears below the name on the NBC website. Some of them are kind of interesting. Worth adding? I listed them below so people can see what I'm talking about. Novastarj 20:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lame. We're an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously. But if it actually adds to the article, it's our duty to include it. I believe it does, but if people tend to agree with you, I'll gladly cede to the majority. Novastarj 22:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the taglines are redundant with the table's synopsis. Primogen 22:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Taglines? 

message: Is it worth noting that chapter 31 spelled "independently" wrong as "Independantly"? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both are correct in international English, so probably not. Metao 08:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independantly 

message: How is the higher quality picture from #29 (which is in fact an easter egg in #30) a "nod to fans"? --Addict 2006 23:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It contains the nicknames of users of the Heroes 360 Experience.Vicco Lizcano 21:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nod to fans? how? 

message: This has been bugging me for a while now.  Quoting the article: "Written by the show's writers and drawn by Aspen Comics, they are generally 7-9 pages long..."  I take issue with the concept of a company 'drawing' something.  Artists from/working for/hired by/etc. a company can draw, but the company itself can't.  Am I making sense?  It's like saying that Highbrow Entertainment drew Savage Dragon, instead of saying that Erik Larsen did.  The cited article  states that the art is "provided by packager Aspen Comics."  I get that "provided by packager" got paraphrased into "drawn by" for the article, but I'm hoping that someone will be able to think of another word/phrase that give more of the flavor of 'providing' as opposed to 'drawing.'  (I don't seem to be able to.)  Apologies for so many words on such a simple turn of phrase. Fitfatfighter 07:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't it be accurate though?  Assuming that all the people who worked on the graphic novels all work for Aspen.  Sort of like how Ben Ten was created by Man of Action, which is just the group name of three guys.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.195.207 (talk) 09:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aspen Comics ref 

message: I suspect the justification for these edits was that "comics" Season Two began when the last episode of "TV" Season One aired. I agree that there is no indication of seasons in the comics and it should not be included on this page. Although, an "associated episode" might be useful if/when appropriate... Metao 06:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The date first published might be enough to cross-reference each comic with an episode, as they are published on Tuesday mornings (the morning after the episode airs in the US). It would also tie novels published during reruns with the context (over the christmas break, for example). ZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  12:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Considering that 1 - 34 are described as 'season one' in the article itself (the information having been taken from this page), I don't think it's unreasonable to describe 1 - 34 as season one and 35 onwards as season two.   John Coxon 13:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem is, we don't know if that is official or just DC's marketing department. We'll have to wait and see what the actual collection says once it is published (unless, of course, there's something announced prior to that). --Ckatzchatspy 18:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The cover art on Amazon has Heroes across the top of the book, with Volume One at the bottom - which would appear to match Volume One of Heroes. Not sure if that changes anything or not, as far as this list goes. You know, next week's issue will be the 52nd, being one year after the series premiere. In the absence of any direction as to which issues are volume one, volume two, season one, or whatever, we could organize them by year. Calendar dates are a firm and verifiable standard - We know which ones were published in the first year, and which ones are not.  ZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  12:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thing is, we're still guessing, improvising, presuming what the actual organization is. The only facts we know are that the issues are numbered, 1 through 51 (so far). We also know that the first 34 have been published in a collection titled "Volume One". We do not, however, know if "Volume One" in that context has any connection with "Volume One" for the series. It might, or it might just be the use of similar terminology to be consistent. (I know this sounds nit-picky, but it is how we are expected to do things. Applying our own system of categorization doesn't meet that standard.) Thoughts?  --Ckatzchatspy 17:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - in the absence of a firm standard for organization, we're left guessing. We should note that comics 1-XX were published as "Volume One", ISBN such and such, but that doesn't mean we should sort the list itself by that criteria. I mention calendar dates and a "year one" heading simply because a list this long (and growing weekly) will only get more cumbersome. Unless we can trick one of the creators into clarifying matters, we may need to sort based on some other criteria - and we cannot do any sorting by subjective criteria, as you say. The only things we know for certain are the names of the comics (we could sort by letter!), the order in which they were released (Comics 1-50, 51-100, etc), and the dates on which they were released (Year One, etc.), and their creators (Alpha by Author? By Artist?). Anything else is guesswork. ZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  19:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  I'd agree with separating season 1 and 2 here, I'm in the UK and havent seen any of season 2. I've been flicking through links and clicked on the 'Photo of Nathan Petrelli' that goes with #56, and its somethng I really didn't want to see yet. adrianprice1 : October 29th  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrianprice1 (talk • contribs) 09:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The location of the split looks fine at first glance. Although may have been better to have moved the page first and then created a second season page, just to keep the page histories together. As a secondary thing, the bottom link template should also be updated for season 1 and season 2 pages. Do we want to rename this page to "List of Heroes graphic novels (Season two)"? -- Marcsin | Talk 14:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, I didn't think about the history. If it's critical, we can always back up the changes and redo it. As for the name of this article... I believe that we need a main article under this title. If the article were just the opening paragraphs, though, it wouldn't make much sense. For now, at least, I'd recommend that we keep the main article as is - maybe redirecting List of Heroes graphic novels (Season Two) to the main article, and list the current season's graphic novels. It's also possible that they'll break up season two's novels by Volume 2 and Volume 3 (which begins after christmas), in which case we need to redo everything anyway. So long as we have a main article that clearly shows where the season one novels are, I think the template can remain as-is. There's only one list for Episodes, after all - though, that'll probably change before long, as well. ZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  14:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the redirect from the Season Two list to the main article. ZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  14:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does 'List of heroes graphic novels' redirect to series 2? Wouldn't it be more sensible for it to revert to series 1 because this is the beginning, from there the user can click forward but starting in the middle seems odd.Tony2Times 16:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a legacy of how I did the move. I removed Season One from the main article and archived it in its own. The main article was later renamed to Season Two. ZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  04:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The published graphic novel collection actually ends with The Death of Hana Gitelman, so I would assume volume 2 would start with chapter 35 and end with 62, as that was the comic posted online the day after the last episode of volume 2.71.115.3.71 (talk) 07:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seasons 

message: Here are the links to the animated versions:
*Golden Handshake, Part 3
*Maya y Alejandro
*Flying Blind
*The Crossroads
*Petrified Lightning
*The Trial of the Black Bear
-Lөvөl 18:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animated videos 

message: Can someone please tell me the corresponding order to read this with the episodes?--CyberGhostface 01:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You should probably just look up the original air dates for the season 1 episodes. Many of these were posted between the end of the first season and the beginning of the second, and thus don't correspond to any episode in particular. ♪Xazy♪ 02:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Order of Release -Lөvөl 17:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Another list, based on data scraped from Wikipedia. 83.145.237.151 04:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could this perhaps be added to the article’s external links? I probably shouldn’t do that myself to avoid self-promotion. 83.145.237.151 18:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I read through the newest comic, and while the man in the comic has the same ability as Bob Bishop, there is no confirmation that it is Bob Bishop.  Please do not label him as such until there is verification. QuasiAbstract (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golden Goose 

message: Shouldn't we use the same descriptions as given on the NBC website? QuasiAbstract (talk) 04:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That'd probably be considered a copyvio.--CyberGhostface (talk) 18:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: yet they're correct, it's not copyvio. we've got to get past this rubbish. it's technically the tagline to the comic, you can't change that. can you imagine wikipedia changing the Jaws tagline?? get over it, use the tagline, otherwise we're going to have the continuing problem of you two (QuasiAbstract and Ghostface) arguing over what gets put in there, like what happened last week. it's bloody childish! 194.221.133.226 (talk) 09:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Get over yourself. If you want me to stop acting "childish" then you should probably stop acting in a deliberately inflammatory and confrontational way. All that's going to do is cause more trouble. And for the sake of argument, it'd be more informative for an encyclopedia to have a description of the story rather than some vague tagline, copyvio or not.--CyberGhostface (talk) 16:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It wasn't that it was wrong, it was left out. QuasiAbstract (talk) 22:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: it was still wrong! left out or not, the page was not right, therefore wrong. i didn't actually see you correcting it! it is childish, ghostface, the fact you've just retorted the way you have, proves it. i wasn't being inflammatory (the fact you can be angered by this is worrying) or confrontational (i stated true facts) so get your facts right mate! i'm an outsider looking in on your agruements/debate and i'm only saying it how i see it. you can't take the criticism, then YOU get over yourself. you're ruining this page, going back and forth. it'll probably lead to the page being scrapped. you're only 2 people out of however many heroes fans that use this page. think about the rest of those users. agree on one method and stick to it, simple as. we all can't have our own way, especially here on wikipedia. 194.221.133.226 (talk) 14:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was attempting to be proactive with the addition of the comic, however I did not have all the info at the time.  I'll gather it all first next time.  (Not sure about the method comment you made, 194).  Please, try to be a bit more civil in the future, even if someone else is not.QuasiAbstract (talk) 14:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Dude. Even though I disagreed with Quasi's actions (I still do) we were both for the most part civil with each other. I have not reinstated my edits and I will not unless I find a reliable source. The discussion has since ended a while ago, and if the page were to be ruined by an argumentative discussion, then Wikipedia is beyond repair. (And its ridicilous to think that the page will be deleted because of it) Jumping in discussions and saying "Get over it, you're acting bloody childish, you two are ruining the page" is only going to make things worse in the long run. I think if anymore "outsiders" came in here, they'd see the only one throwing the fit here is you. So there's no point to be dragging stuff that has long reached its conclusion, "mate".--CyberGhostface (talk) 15:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, um... I don't know if this has much to do with this particular discussion, but I recently spent some solid hours cleaning up the links and grammar of the description and easter egg sections for both season's graphic novel pages. The format had gone a little off-track as more issues were being added, that is: "character's name" for descriptions and "actor's name (character's name)" for easter eggs. Also, every character is mentioned with their surnames (it doesn't really seem appropriate for Wikipedia to only state a fictional character's first name). Anyway, my main concern was to just clean things up a bit so I hope I haven't done anything wrong in the process! 58.7.93.76 (talk) 09:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for helping with the article. :) Its appreciated. --CyberGhostface (talk) 15:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descriptions of comics 

message: I brought up this article's abundant usage of external links at the apropos guideline's talk page; see and discuss here (Wikipedia talk:External links#inline external links).  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 23:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  external links bbq 

message: This list article has several major cleanup issues that need to be addressed.  Primarily it has external links in the body of the article which violates the external links guideline: "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article; this applies to list articles as well."  Secondly the quality of the external links also violate that guideline: links normally to be avoided include... "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace..." and "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors...".  Third, "try to avoid separate links to multiple pages in the same website; instead, try to find an appropriate linking page within the site."  Fourth, year dates are wikilinked in what appears to violate the style guide. Fifth, some of the inappropriate links are even duplicated, which also violates the style guide of only linking something in its first use rather than every single time the word is used. In short, a very large number of hyperlinks should be removed. 2005 (talk) 04:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Taking a good hard look at the page I have to ask; Does every occurrence of MiB need to be a link? And every occurrence of the authors? And the dates? Few readers will come here with the idea of finding out what else happened on the same day NBC published a web comic. I'm going to be bold and get rid of a few of the completely extraneous links to everything. Padillah (talk) 15:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  If I recall correctly, the Mebibyte links were added automatically by a bot. To me it looks like the Manual of Style suggests dates be linked so they could easily be read by others, but I could be wrong. -Lөvөl 17:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By dates I specifically meant years... we don't need to link 2008 once, let alone thirty times. 2005 (talk) 21:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Article cleanup

message: Either remove them completely, (because apparently links are bad) or keep on updating, because I come to this wikipedia page every tuesday to read the latest graphic novel. If you guys 'clean up' this article and remove the links, please leave an external link so I can find the graphic novels. 'Cause I've been to the NBC Heroes website, and I get lost everytime. Dragon queen4ever (talk) 22:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to keep the links. I see no harm in linking to freely published websites. I hope we are not linking directly to the PDF, that just seems like we're doing an "end-run" around NBC. Having said that I second the feeling of being lost on NBC's web site - that thing is poorly designed. Padillah (talk) 11:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Graphic Novels 

message: It seems too big for only one picture. Maybe there is another file or several files hidden or embedded in the 41.6MB .pdf file? I tried changing .pdf to .zip and to .rar, it doesn't work. Video or audio file(s) ? I tried also .avi and .mpg, error.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.243.0.45 (talk) 18:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter egg of chapter 30 

message: NBC has removed the comics from their website, so all the links (which look like they were decided to stay) no longer work.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.83.56 (talk) 14:03, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: Links 

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