Talk:Plutarch

message: According to the Teaching Company and the links at the bottom of the page he was born in 46.  According to the Teaching Company he lived beyond 127.  I do not know the proper way to say he lived beyond 127 so I wrote "beyond 127".  But feel free to change it if it is "127+" or "127?" or whatever.
:According to Encyclopedia Britannica, he "died after 119", so I'm guessing this is one of those things that are full of scholarly dispute. --maru  (talk) Contribs 03:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right.  There's debate about his date of birth and as well his date of death.  Instead of placing all the debate in the main parts of the article, it would be better to use the Notes section to discuss it, alongside the Timeline which will try to be as conservative as possible.-BiancaOfHell 19:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Right.  Some say he spent 40 years in Rome, which is largely refuted.  Some say he went to Rome once, others say he went to Rome twice.  Some say he went to Alexandria after his studies, others say no.  There is a lot of debate about Plutarch's biography.  I'm suggesting going with what is conservative and what Scholars think is largely correct, and placing all the interesting arguments for and against in the Notes section, alongside the Timeline to it's right.-BiancaOfHell 19:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates of birth and death and Travels to Rome

message: The following was posted in the article by 65.148.17.110 (talk • contribs) and moved here by —Charles P. (Mirv) @ 15:39, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not easily found?  Has it been found?  By chronological order you mean when Plutarch wrote/finished them, or chronological order of the Greek lives and then the Roman lives?  A listing of the chronological order of some of the Roman lives and the Roman Emperors and Plutarch and his contemporaries lifetimes exists at http://www.constitution.org/rom/plutarch/intro.htm.-BiancaOfHell 19:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  listing of ''Lives'' in chronological order 

message: this may relate to Maru's question but while looking for a quote on the spartans i found "Come back with your shield,-- or on it", as sort of rejoicing phrase for the women of Sparta as the men left to fight, it said that Plutarch reported this, but how is this possible, the hieght of military Sparta was three centuries before the birthdate of Plutarch, so how is this possible? Thrawst 06:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Google and the Straight Dope are your friends: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mspartanmoms.html. --maru  (talk) contribs 07:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impossible 

message: I've heard that Dante was influenced but how?  is it significant?
BiancaOfHell 08:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plutarch's Influence on Dante? 

message: These quotes should be boxed up (like in the Demosthenes article) and placed appropriately in sections that will discuss the works of Lives and Moralia, ESPECIALLY if they come from there.  Plutarch had a lot of influence on moralists, etc... and some of these quotations are examples of his wisdom that influenced those that came after.
BiancaOfHell 12:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotations

message: What books, or editions with introductions, forewords, etc.. that talk about Plutarch's life and work are out there?
BiancaOfHell 15:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to put it in References.  Is that allowed when the book hasn't even been glimpsed?  Better for a bibliography perhaps?  Either way, Amazon has a new Edition of said book (Plutarch by D.A. Russell) and it looks like it has a goldmine of information.  Going to get it. Thanks. -BiancaOfHell 19:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: According to Additional Reading at Britannica Online -BiancaOfHell 22:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That's an extremely useful bibliography, but I don't think it's been updated since the late '90s. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plutarch Scholars

message: A number of authors have written a 'Life of Plutarch's it seems.  Here's the beginnings of a list.  Please add to it if you come across more.
# North's 'Life of Plutarch'
# Dryden's 'Life of Plutarch'
# Arthur Hugh Clough, writes introductions to Dryden's translations of Lives
# Rualdus wrote a Life of Plutarchus on the Paris folios that is a basis for much knowledge on Plutarch's life.
-BiancaOfHell 11:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Life of Plutarch

message: # In english what are the major and respected translations?
# Did Dryden translate all of Plutarch's works?  He translated Lives from the Greek original
# Did Thomas North?
North, Sir Thomas, 1535?–1601?, English translator. He is famous for his translation of Plutarch, entitled Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans (1579), which he made from the French of Jacques Amyot. This work, ornate but vivid, was a source for many of Shakespeare's plays, among them Antony and Cleopatra and Julius Caesar, and was a major influence in the development of Elizabethan prose.
# North versus Dryden versus?
North translated from Amyot's French translation, whilst or while Dryden translated from the Greek original
# What of Amyot's French translation?
-BiancaOfHell 13:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And Dryden did not translate much of Plutarch at all. The Dryden edition is just that: he was the general editor, lending his name for the saleability of the thing, but a large team did the actual work, each individual taking one of the Lives. Bill 18:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you mind citing your source, and incorporating that knowledge into the Translations section?  I'm not sure if the way I've done it, separating into French and English translations sections, is the best way, since Amyot's was the start of a translation that went through many languages.  The whole thing is a lot more complicated than any section breakdown could possibly convey.-BiancaOfHell 18:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Translations and their Translators

message: What to cover about Plutarch is a question on my mind.  His biographical information is sketchy.  A lot of questions on the size of his family, his travels to Rome, his career.  The importance of his works and criticisms of it seems to be more interesting.  Anyone have any good advice? -BiancaOfHell 15:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Emphasis On?

message: Stuff whose deduction must be explained:
# birth date
# death date
# travels to Rome and Alexandria, when and for how long?
-BiancaOfHell 00:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes Section

message: The life timeline at the end lists "Invented diaphram" but there is no reference made to this in the page - this needs to be addressed by at least a short section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.193.183 (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was just a vandal doing his/her thing.-BillDeanCarter 19:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diaphram 

message: This date is rather vague, but the sentence should be placed perhaps someplace other than "Work as magistrate and ambassador", right?
Is there any info pertaining to his later life? Sedonaarizona 18:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death date 

message: I see that Plutarch is categorized as a vegetarian, but why is no mention of this made in the article? Given that vegetarians were exceedingly rare then, and the fact that he wrote essays extolling the virtues of vegetarianism, it seems relevant to me.--Hraefen Talk 00:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly. Which articles of his were about vegetarianism or mentioned his vegetarianism? Are there any historians you know who have mentioned the rarity of vegetarianism back in those days? I hope the categorization wasn't a form of vandalism long overlooked.-BillDeanCarter 00:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a brief paragraph on his vegetarianism, though there doesn't seem to be a scholarly consensus on his exact diet or how long he adhered to vegetarianism. I may add a summary of Essay on Flesh-Eating AKA On the Eating of Flesh later. Jmill1806 (talk) 18:34, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Vegetarian

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: The article says, "there is one translation of Parallel Lives into Latin" which it describes as being made in the 18th century, pour le dauphin. Meanwhile, above in the article is a photograph of a 15th century Latin edition of the same. Clearly either there was more than one Latin translation, or it was not made pour le dauphin. Rwflammang (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin Translations 

message: In Pyrrhus article, a user has added the pov sign with the arguement that Pyrrhus' sources came from the unreliable author Ploutarch... This is off course an anti-encyclopedic action. It is really sad that famous authors like Plutarch are so badly criticized and the worst, without a single argument against him! (he said that he was Greek...so unreliable)Alexikoua (talk) 20:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Plutarch=Unreliable

message: There has been a violation of WP:ERA in that no discussion or concensus was done on this article's talk page after the 29th October 2010 before the date format was changed from BC/AD to BCE/CE. Therefore I propose that the date format be reverted back to that of 29/10/10 should no one object and voice reasons why this should not occur. 78.146.132.102 (talk) 19:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert to BC/AD date format 

message: Hi, newbie here. Not sure if this is the right way to discuss this sort of thing, but:
In the section "Parallel Lives": "...went to tremendous effort (often leading to tenuous comparisons) to draw parallels between physical appearance and moral character"
This strikes me as being sort of Chaucerian, (this certainly isn't the right term, as Plutarch predated Chaucer by many years).  Does anyone know if there's a term for this kind of literary attribution of moral/personality characteristics to physical ones? (I'm thinking something along the lines of Phrenology). I feel like there is a term, but it escapes me at the moment...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodaen (talk • contribs) 06:31, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term for this? 

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message: As I read the section of the article on Plutarch's Lives, i noted that there was more information there than on the actual lives page. Does anyone else agree on moving some of it over to the lives page, or at least copying it?--Accurateedits (talk) 23:33, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Much in Lives Section? 

message: The intro talks about koine Greek and provides a citation that does not back that up. Delete? - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 21:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion - Koine? 

message: 'Ralph Waldo Emerson and the Transcendentalists were greatly influenced by the Moralia — so much so, in fact, that Emerson called the Lives "a bible for heroes"' - that makes no sense, it seems to me. They are two utterly different works. Even if they weren't, this wouldn't make a lot of sense. 110.20.157.59 (talk) 00:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing Emerson sentence 

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