Talk:Mario Party 8/Archive 2

message: The page was protected over this issue
This time, the edit war is over the release date! To streamline it, I'm going to divide the conversation into two parts: March 5 and To Be Announced, where you can discuss the validity of each date. Feel free to add subsections for third options, fourth options, etc. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 11:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't personally have a preference, but seeing as March 5 isn't that far away, (2 and half weeks I believe).. we will see if that's right or not by then. I would assume the edit war should end by then, but you never can be sure about these things. RobJ1981 11:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK, Nintendo have announced that it will be released in Q2, 2007.  And they'd know.  How can anyone provide a more specific date than the people developing and publishing the game?  Geoff B 20:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This entire thing is absurd. Nintendo have announced it as Q2, not TBA. If you look on the official nintendo MP8 page it now says Q2 2007 instead of March 5th. It was only very recently delayed. This is not a debate. In fact, an entirely rational user got banned for a month while trying to ensure that the page would not revert to March 5th. --12.206.4.89 06:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The thing may be, though, is that the release date is Q2 2007 in the US and TBA for the rest of the world, or something like that. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 14:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  True, but the point is the article has been locked by people who obviously (read the above entries) know nothing about this situation because others who knew nothing took it upon themselves to ignore the sources cited in the original article. This needs to be unprotected NOW so the inaccurate release date can be changed. --12.206.4.89 17:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Exactly, as it stands, the article is full of what seems to be contradictory nonsense. If he knows the situation, he would surely not be doing what he is, so I doubt any of this makes sense. I am demanding only that wikipedia not be treated like a voting booth. There was no reason for anyone to lock it when it contained false information. Let's put it this way: the people changing it have unsigned comments and no sources but erase information with several sources, when the arguments FOR even those sources have been presented meaningfully here for some time (since jan 24th) what is the reason for locking while it contains information that has been proven false by sources from Nintendo, the makers of the game themselves? I really reject and detest the 'let's vote on it and see' attitude taken here by people who are unwilling to investigate the presented sources in the article. Good day. --12.206.4.89 18:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Er, what?  The article was locked to prevent an edit war.  And good day to you too.  :-)  Geoff B 19:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, locked to prevent an edit war in which verified information was being replaced with inaccurate information (the 'march 5th' fallacy that is now 'trapped' in the infobox). My gripe is just that there was no need for this discussion as the NA Q2 date is heavily verified and all the information explaining how the confusion about the date came about is addressed in the article. What is confusing about this? --12.206.4.89 19:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet people had obviously gone to great lengths to present sourced material explaining why there may be some confusion about the date right there in the article when the new announcement of Q2 was made, as it was only very recently changed from march 5th. Have you heard of 'wikiality?' It just seems that debating an untruth doesn't make it right. --12.206.4.89 20:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: March 5th vs Q2

message: Amazon is now giving a date of 30 Jun :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.244.215.51 (talk • contribs) 
:This entire thing is absurd. Nintendo have announced it as Q2, not TBA. If you look on the official nintendo MP8 page it now says Q2 2007 instead of March 5th. It was only very recently delayed. This is not a debate. In fact, an entirely rational user got banned for a month while trying to ensure that the page would not revert to March 5th. --12.206.4.89 06:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: To be announced

message: *Q2 McKay 07:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See this. I think the date is continuously changing on the site. –Llama man 20:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Q2

message: I went down to my local GAME store to check and they had it in their upcoming games book as March 30. Bowsy 14:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gamestores are not a reliable source. Nintendo of Europe says TBA 2007, and if it's coming out in one month, they would have at least had a releasedate.  JackSparrow Ninja 22:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: It's March 30 for UK at least

message: http://wii.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=9075
Pretty reliable source. Feel free to change back if you don't see suited but most of us can guess that it is Summer.
Nickm717 22:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Summer 2007

message: Okay, here's how I see the issue:
*Sometime before the end of November 2006 Nintendo announces the release of a Mario Party, Mario Party 8, on the Wii.
*Mid November 2006 Nintendo announces the release date of 5 March 2007 
*Mid January 2007 Nintendo delayed the release to add in features like WiFi... this pushed it back to Q2 
*In the interim, they didn't update all of their pages as now they present conflicting information. Nintendo's site doesn't even corroborate with iteself. Parts say Q2Parts say 5 March
*In the interim, Us Wikipedians are having a hard time, and the game stores are having a hard time too. Some may have missed something (or still see bad data) and still think it's coming out on 5 March, others have the new information. As a result, so-called "reliable sources" do not corroborate, as information has changed.
Questions? If you want, I can present a plethora of sources that support my conclusion. Saying that "some store" says that it will be released on 5 March is WP:OR and is probably using older informataion. I also can show stores that show it being released Q2 (or give an estimated date near the beginning or the end of Q2, like Amazon, EB, Gamestop...), so it will take more information than that. McKay 06:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary

message: I don't understand, why does it say that it will be the tenth game in the series and the eleventh in Japan. Obviously Mario Party 8 is the 8th game everywhere in the world! 74.112.91.185 14:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mario Party series - perhaps you should have done a little research first.  Geoff B 16:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see, There were 2 Mario Party games for the GBA and E-Reader and a Japanese only Mario Party game. WikiLoco 22:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But those other two games are just spinoffs and not really part of the Mario Party Series 74.112.91.185 21:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but while they are not part of the main series, they should be considered Mario Party games because they bear "Mario Party" in their titles and I believe that they had the same developers and publishers. –Llama mantalkcontribs 00:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 10th Game?

message: The blooper is a squid, how do you play as a squid when everyone else is a human. Besides, don't bloopers only have 2 limbs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pikazilla (talk • contribs) 12:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry; what? Toad isn't human. I don't understand what you're talking about when you say the "skin of toad". Are you saying Toad (and Toadette, and Toadsworth, and the whole other lot of Toad-people >_>) are human because they have a similar skin colour to the human characters? Hardcore gamer 48 08:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This page is for discussion of the article, not the game. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 13:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to be a squid 

message: is Mario Party8 going to come out in australia? they've removed australia from the main page so i was just wondering —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.151.198 (talk) 13:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think G. Usually Mario Party games just have "comic mischief" I believe. That certainly shouldn't be PG (unless the other games were rated that). RobJ1981 11:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as a note, while G is likely, it shouldn't be added to the game until the rating has been announced, as that would be entirely speculation (unless a reliable source speculates on that, because then it would be verifiable speculation) McKay 16:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went an checked out the Australian Mario Marty games for gamecube on my shelf and 4-6 were the old 'G8+' while 7 was PG for 'Mild Gambling References' which is a common trend with Mario games (Including 'New Super Mario Bros.' on the DS). I also went and looked at the OFLC website and found out that it is actually rated G after all .Stozball 01:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coming out in australia? 

message: With so many more playable characters being added, in a few more games in the series, there probably won't there not be enough non-playable characters to be featured in the minigames and on the board. If blooper is a character, most likely soon shy guys, goombas, koopas, cheepcheeps etc., will be soon as well and they'll have to do weird things like how they made all non-playable boos pink. Anyquestions 23:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too Many Characters

message: As of tomorrow (March 5th) we will all finnaly know exactly when its coming out! of course by now i hope you all agree that March 5th cant be the real date. but hopefully this will end the war and give some more reason as to why most realese dates are inaccurate. Miked54321 10:06, March 4 2007 (EST)
:The lady at gamestop said June 1 :-( Bassgoonist 04:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The great Mario Party War is about to end!

message: I have reverted the date back from April 2007 to TBA 2007 as nintendo.com does not verify this and says TBA. The following is the Spain Nintendo website: http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/es/ES/games/gamepage.do?ElementId=TJ-A3_rZnDkql-iIuGhXpaKTnbTy7xrl. Iamtall47 23:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Release Date 

message: First of all, they're all from the same link: Australian IGN. 2nd of all IGN only cares about the american release dates. They give 12/31 release dates to Japan, Australia and Europe. Please get rid of the December 31 release dates for Japan, Europe and Australia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperNESPlayer (talk • contribs) 15:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism with Japanese, European and Australia release dates 

message: How long did THAT take? Anyway, new screens for all of you to enjoy revealing new mini-games.
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/853/853824/imgs_1.html
That boo game works just like Mansion Patrol from Super Paper Mario. Knuckles sonic8 19:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finally New Info!

message: Has anyone found any info on the Australia or European Realease dates yet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.81.132 (talk) 14:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any info on Australia or European Realease date? 

message: I redirect "MP8" here? It's doesn't redirect to any article when I tried it out. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 16:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it okay if 

message: YEs, I purchased it yesterday, so I will be more thsn hsppy to update things (Talk)15:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I have the gasme

message: This article seems to be suffering from having too many lists. I've removed the unencyclopedic list of team names, I think the candy list should go to. The board list is pushing it. All of this seems non-encyclopedic. Any thoughts? McKay 21:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing. All contributions are appreciated, but we don't want to get too bogged down in details here. I think the earlier Mario Party articles can be a good guide for how this should look. -- MisterHand 21:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the candy list, it's listcruft.  Removed thel ist of characters, because they are already listed in the previous section anyway.  This article has a bit of an issue with listcruft.  Geoff B 00:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists