Talk:Maitreya Project

message: According to this announcement(Dec. 2016) on the project's official website, the Maitreya Buddha statue (now scaled down to 24 feet) was to be moved from Bodhgaya (Bihar) to Kushinagar (UP) in January of this year (2017). Don't know if this actually happened or not. According to this and this there also now  seem to be two separate organizations in India: The Maitreya Buddha Project Kushinagar and Buddha Maitreya Bodhgaya.
    Chris Fynn (talk) 18:28, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statue to be moved from Bodhgaya to Kushinagar 

message: Seeing as the current article has been seen as biased by other editors, I have removed all of my own additions, and left a very basic and brief 3 paragraph overview, which states verifiable facts in a dry style. This is a skeleton which can be fleshed out by others. I will continue to monitor the article as the project is controversial and biased negative content has been posted previously, and probably will be again.
I would ask other editors to please review my draft article linked from this page, as it contains more details information that may be of use in developing this article further.  
Simmonstony 22:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I am really confused. I am accused of bias, and therefore, in good faith, remove the content I have posted on this article, and then Gordonofcartoon who is an accuser reverts my deletions so that the supposed biased content is visible again. Can you please explain? Simmonstony 22:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Addhoc 01:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Back to basics

message: ===Responses to RfC===
Article seems OK as it stands. Could you state the precise point of dispute as this is not clear to someone who has not been involved. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for comment

message: Article seems OK as it stands. Could you state the precise point of dispute as this is not clear to someone who has not been involved. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Responses to RfC

message: I wanted to thank Athaenara for her perceptive comments (now archived) about the article reading like an advertisement.  This is part of what I was getting at earlier about the article having a promotional tone and not being NPOV. Johnfos 03:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome :-)  — Athaenara  ✉  04:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with Johnfos. The problem was defining the specifics, as it was a global stylistic thing: the relentless positivity, every sentence bolstering how everything is for the good. (Nearest comparison I can think of is a local press charity story: The Cake Project is baking the largest ever cake this weekend. Mr Miggs, speaking for the Cake Project, said "The cake will feed 500 orphans. In addition it will provide much-needed work for regional flour and egg suppliers" etc etc). Gordonofcartoon 09:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Johnfos, I am not saying that the article was not NPOV, but will you please explain, for the benefit of those who did not think it was NPOV, how it is a violation of NPOV? Also, if someone reverts it back, do not get in a edit war. Stick to 1RR. Edit wars will only make things worse.--SJP 11:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gordon. Thanks so much for the cake example. That explains things well, and if someone had explained that to me earlier, I would have simply rewritten my edits to avoid appearing that way. Now.. a small dilemma. If a non profit project or charity is in the development stages, and the genuine intention is solely to benefit people by doing good works, is it really possible to write anything about that organisation without it looking like an advert? If the only real things to state about the project are the plans and intentions, and the plans and intentions are all to do genuinely good, then what else can one really write (apart from allowing criticism which was always given some space)? I think that westerners particularly have become hardened and cynical to the point that it is hard to believe that a project or organisation may really exist only to help others, so therefore stating that intention will always appear as self propaganda / advertising. Simmonstony 01:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not that it can't be said, or that anyone's cynical; it's just the style of saying it. Looking in detail, what was particularly advert-y about the original was the overloading of the basic information with superlatives that just countersink the obvious. For example, the Design of the Maitreya Statue section: phraseologies like "state-of-the-art", "each of which must be shaped precisely", and "handed down by successive generations of master Buddhist artists over the centuries". (With the last one, replace "Buddhist artists" with "brewers" or "bakers" and it could go straight into any number of commercials). Gordonofcartoon 03:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertisement

message: please see mediation page discussion & also comment on this page under Talk Page Archived. David Woodward 09:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  new comment on mediation page 

message: last sentence in "Criticism" section: "As of today, thousands of Buddhist waterbowls have been offered by followers, students and gurus." is unreferenced, possibly original research and does not seem relevant to Criticism section. Also "as of today" may not be appropriate, see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Precise_language & WP:AO David Woodward (talk) 02:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This waterbowl offering has been made in December of 2007, personally by me and several other FPMT members. DO NOT WORRY. Information may be available at the Root Institute page. Although I clearly understand Wikipedia policies ("'I heard if from somewhere' is not acceptable" - Jimbo Wales), do not worry. Information is accurate. Guaranteed. 100%.  (smiles) Prowikipedians (talk) 08:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left it in for now, but please find a source asap or it will get deleted. Itsmejudith (talk) 09:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've referenced the source. If you believe that this site is not the correct on, please discuss it on my talk page as soon as possible, so that I can correct it. Thanks. Prowikipedians (talk) 05:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish to thank Prowikipedians for moving the sentence out of the crit section. However, there are a few problems with this sentence, firstly "As of today" still doesn't comply with style guide WP:DATED. Secondly this seems to me problematic in terms of lack of encyclopedic style, i.e. how does it add useful information to the article? Yes, various members of the FPMT support the project, but isn't that really a given since the project comes under the umbrella of the FPMT? Thirdly i would question it on the basis of NPOV (WP:NPOV) given the almost soapbox (WP:SOAP) tone & that this is referenced from the FPMT web site. David Woodward (talk) 12:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: attempted to fix waterbowls ref. There were 2 urls, have moved "Tapei Times" to external links, since i can find no mention of waterbowls in the article. Only reference to offerings is "...some locals had asked why it was necessary to build a statue so far away, rather than in Taiwan, where it would be more convenient to visit and make offerings.". Have tried to bring to "cite web" format since "cite web" was in original code; added "date" since is is clear code in url, have changed "work=FPMT" to "work=Land of Medicine Buddha" since that is on banner header of site (only ref to FPMT is "Land of Medicine Buddha is affiliated with the FPMT" on end of site homepage), have added "publisher" since copyright is claimed by "land of Medicine Buddha" on all page footers & i'm just about to remove the WP:DATED violation because the sentence will read better.David Woodward (talk) 06:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, i'm about to remove the waterbowl sentence, having actually had a good read of the link in the ref. Firstly, there is no information in the webpage about how many waterbowls have been offered, there is no information about who has offered waterbowls ("followers, students and gurus"), there is no information in the webpage about waterbowls actually having been offered, the only ref to the Maitreya Project is "May all the projects have the quickest success, particularly for the Maitreya Project and the projects in Tibet.", this text is a small part of a ceremony "Our Daily Dedication". Waterbowls are mentioned, 3 times in a separate part of the webpage "Making Offerings": "Contribute towards the water bowls and light offerings." & "* Sponsor extensive water bowl offering for a day: $25 * Sponsor extensvie [sic] water bowl offerings for a week: $175". Secondly, the webpage is from a site which does not qualify as a reliable source on 2 counts. It is not a third party source  (WP:SOURCES) since it is an affiliate of FPMT, as is the Project. It is a questionable source "Questionable sources include websites... that express views that... are promotional in nature" (WP:QS), this webpage & the site are published by Land of Medicine Buddha &  promote Land of Medicine Buddha & FPMT. I do not dispute that waterbowls have in fact been offered, but that is not the point at issue here & i contend that it is a breach of WP:NPOV & WP:SOAP.David Woodward (talk) 02:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: waterbowls

message: Sentence currently at end of 2nd para is currently unreferenced, i plan to remove this sentence if it is not referenced. I also question whether this should be an "external link" in any such case rather that in the lead section (WP:LEAD). David Woodward (talk) 02:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discovery Channel

message: When will the statue be completed? According to this website, 'The statue should be completed in 2005 and the school and hospital shortly afterwards.' I suspect that this is false ? --  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.56.90.195 (talk) 14:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This whole section really shouldn't be happening on a Wikipedia discussion page. Good guidelines are available: WP:TPG. This last URL is, in my own opinion, link spam. More knowledgeable eds than myself, assistance would be appreciated. David Woodward ☮ ♡♢☞☽ 08:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

text: link spam removed David Woodward ☮ ♡♢☞☽ 03:45, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Completion

message: Paragraph on financial data has been removed as the source material has been removed and is no longer verifyable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.140.193 (talk) 09:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: newer section moved from top of page, please see WP:TOPPOST David Woodward ☮ ♡♢☞☽ 01:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: new financial data source material is now available David Woodward ☮ ♡♢☞☽ 05:07, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Financial Data

message: I question inclusion in the following: Categories: Colossal Buddha statues | Indian art | Buildings and structures in Uttar Pradesh David Woodward ☮ ♡♢☞☽ 00:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: Anyone interested in updating this??? Please see the below links for details. The statue will now be 150 feet tall and constructed in Bodhagaya
http://www.maitreyaproject.org/en/
http://www.fpmt.org/projects/other/1076-an-important-announcement-regarding-maitreya-project.html
Ive made some brief changes in the hope it will spur someone else on to edit the article more carefully. The changes are factuually correct.
cheers
Simmonstony  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.62.62 (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This section moved from top, please see WP:TopPost. Please sign your  posts: WP:TPYES. No personal attacks, please see WP:TPNO. You can edit, you don't need to wait for anybody else. David Woodward ☮ ♡♢☞☽ 10:25, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes we need some updates, most of the information seems completely out of date, poorly sourced, self-sourced or not sourced at all. This is 2019, 6 years after the "latest news" was added. Perhaps informed people will be able to find some suitable new sources of information not connected with the project to bring this article up to date? Just a suggestion - I could not find anything, personally. Perhaps after $20,000,000 of donations have been spent with no statue yet in place, there is at least a plan in place, why is it not publicized? All that is notable about this project is that $20M has been spent without anything visible to show for it. MacPraughan (talk) 11:10, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs some updates

message: :image:Maitreya project.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: it appears that this deleted image has been replaced with a duplicate under a different name "Maigtreya Project Promotional Poster.jpg". Spelling of name is incorrect. Image is copyright. Licence may not be appropriate. David Woodward ☮ ♡♢☞☽ 08:06, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Maitreya project.jpg

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I added a link to this academic paper:
Falcone, Jessica. 2011. “The Buddhist Lama and the Indian Farmer: Negotiating Modernity and Tradition in the Development Plans for Kushinagar, India.” In Inequality in a Globalizing World: Perspectives, Processes, and Experiences, edited by Sangeeta Parashar Nandikotkur and Yong Wang, 107-117. Dubuque, IA: Kendall-Hunt Publishing.
Waschi (talk) 00:55, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Academic Papers