Talk:Konstantine

message: Á true song of love betrayal and lust for the pureness of one girl. The song's longstanding reputation as Something Corporate's greatest song is not unfounded. Yet because of its solitarity as a mainsteam band's indi song the very long song it it wont be on many radio stations. All in all the poetic song they have written with such popular lines as, "Confusion with a 'K'" and masterfull lyrics that seemingly tranquilize the distrout of the situation that it is come together in a rythmic 'last chance for love' song.
Tom- ['CCStukel' from yahoo]
 — JIP | Talk 06:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

message: This article needs a complete rewrite/clean up to take care of all the issues raised at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Konstantine: It is "Poorly written," biased, self-contradictory, unreferenced, and full of weasel words. Also, a proper template for the infobox should be used.
In accordance with Wiki guidelines (see WP:V) I also removed the following text from the article, until it can be confirmed:
:"A general meaning of the term came into common usage as a result of its popularity. In rock popular culture, a konstantine is someone, usually a girl, whom a person loves unconditionally. Despite "Konstantine" being released first, it is reputed as the modern rock equivalent of the R&B "My Boo," where boo is a synonym for konstantine. Both songs contain the line, "You will always be my konstantine [boo].""
This paragraph even contradicts the rest of the article (where it's claimed that the song is unknown) and I doubt anybody will find reliable sources for this. --Fritz S. (Talk) 11:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup needed

message: The problem seems to be not that the claims are unverifiable, because one can play the album and hear the song.  The problem seems to be that this whole article is fan original research.  See Wikipedia:No original research.  Where are the citations? Bejnar 18:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

message: Why would it not be appropriate to merge the remaining material with the article Something Corporate, that is, if there is any material here that is "facts, opinions, interpretations, definitions, and arguments" that have "already have been published by a reliable publication in relation to the topic of the article."  (Quoting Wikipedia:No original research.)  Bejnar 18:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one having objected to the merger, all the reliable publuished information has been transferred to  and merged with Something Corporate, Ready... Break, Welcome to the Family), Songs for Silent Movies  and Live at the Ventura Theater. --Bejnar (talk) 20:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But why does it redirect to Welcome to the Family? I personally think it should redirect to Something Corporate because Welcome to the Family has less relevance or relation to Konstantine. 74.163.136.164 (talk) 00:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with [[Something Corporate]]

message: Note that the question is not whether the fact is true, but whether it is a published fact.  Finding  facts other than from published sources is original research.  For example, listening to Konstantine and identifying that Jimmy Eat World is mentioned is original research.  Finding a reliable article about Konstantine that mentions the connection to Jimmy Eat World and why it is important, would allow the editor to provide a citation for that fact. --Bejnar 16:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with you Bejnar, and this article is especially seeded with OR and weasel words, but in this instance I think we shouldn't be all that strict. I mean, the lyrics include "It's to Jimmy Eat World and those nights in my car", and if we could link to lyric websites that would certainly qualify as a source, but since we can't... Even though I think this subject doesn't really deserve an article (none of the band's singles have one), if the rest of it is kept, by strict definition "It focuses heavily on the piano, although several other instruments, including a bass guitar, an organ and the triangle, are used as well." is OR as well. --HarryCane 17:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources