Talk:2007–08 Leeds United F.C. season

message: Maybe it will better use k instead of ,000. Like ₤500k instead of ₤500,000.--ClaudioMB 02:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Transfer fee

message: The event list is a good idea. Nice! Other articles could also used it. I'll create a template for events, then all articles will have the same look. --ClaudioMB 02:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Events

message: What's "1p in the pound", "11.2p in the pound" etc.? Conscious 04:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For every pound of debt owed 1p or 11.2p (dependant on which offer) would be re-payed to the creditor. Chappy TC 11:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offers 

message: I'd like to propose to change from Coca-Cola Football League 1 to Football League One or League One. I believe is a standard in Wikipedia to use only the original name, as you can see in its article Football League One. --ClaudioMB 04:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup do it, should be sticking to standards used throughout the rest of wikipedia.  Chappy TC 17:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Championship name

message: Just a suggestion: maybe instead of place a source in the players' notes, the players' article could be improved using that source. Considering Squad information uses players' articles as a source, then  it will not be necessary place the source in the notes column (it's easy to readers just click on the player's name). That way, the table will be more clear and when something out of ordinary needs a notes, it will not be lost among lots of notes.--ClaudioMB 03:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article shouldn't really be using Wikipedia as a source. If someone wrote a thesis/dissertation/essay and used only the thesis/dissertation/essay as a source for the facts it included then the author would fail. (That's just an example I know this isn't a thesis/dissertation/essay but the theory on references and sources is the same) Chappy  TC 18:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your point, but all articles in Wikipedia must have a reliable source, so you could consider them as an indirectly source. Unfortunately, that's not guaranteed, so, when someone uses a Wikipedia's article as a source he/she should check if that article has a reliable source. Entering the source in the players' article will improve them and the Squad section will be cleaner. Anyway, this still just a suggestion. Regards. --ClaudioMB 18:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I know it isn't the greatest analogy, but a thesis was the largest thing I could think of quickly that uses sources.  I was going to give the example of the Encyclopædia Britannica but then it's ages since I actually looked at it and I couldn't remember if it used sources.  I am sure however that the writers would ensure that they didn't use other articles contained in the encyclopaedia as a source.  The big point about wikipedia is that if a source is available for the information on the other page then the source not the article should be used here, if not then the information isn't the most reliable and maybe shouldn't be in the article.  Chappy  TC 17:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For me it's ok if you don't want to use another Wikipedia article as a source. But, I don't think there is a rule forbidding a Wikipedia article using another Wikipedia article. Anyway, my goal here is not tell how editors should or shouldn't write, but helping them to focus on the information rather than code and keep the articles easy to read. So, what about another column for source and keep Notes column for extra information? Regards. --ClaudioMB 23:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the best idea to use wikipedia.  A good example would be someone putting person opinion or rumour on a page and referencing it on another, e.g. I could put "is an Idiot" on Alex Ferguson's page and then reference this on the unspeakable of club's page as fact.  Due to wikipedia's nature of anyone and everyone can edit and the possibility for personal opinion or rumour being added, one article should not reference another as a source.  On the extra column for source and notes, I can't say I see the point at least for the english game as there's no limitations on the players that would require a large amount of space, plus I think the reference is a type of note. (The only real note I can think of for the "Squad information" section except a source is "cup tied"). Chappy  TC 11:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are missing the first Wikipedia pillar (WP:5) that any information in Wikipedia must have a source (WP:SOURCE). I believe anyone could delete any information without a reliable source and if someone else wants that information back, he/she must find one. As an editor, when I use an information from other Wikipedia article, I make sure that information has a reliable source (sometimes, I enter it myself). Anyone who doesn't do that, or uses other article's information knowing that information has no source, is doing a horrible work as editor, and other people will complain or remove that information (like the "is an Idiot" on Alex Ferguson's page example). However, like here in this article, using the original source is even better. Anyway, I'm not trying to change any information here, just trying to improve the templates so you and other editors could make better use of them. About the Notes column, it just doesn't look right a column with mostly reference links with a "Notes" title. Other articles are using the Notes column to inform the player was on loan for some time in the past, has left the club after season started, also plays in other position, is injured and other things (example). How about enter a ref number in the specific information that the reference is about? For example, in End column: 2009[1]. Regards.--ClaudioMB 00:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first part proved my original point that wikipedia can't be used as a source for itself. If the other article is sourced then the exterior article on another site can be used as a source on this site and if the article isn't sourced then the information is unreliable so shouldn't be presented as fact with the other article as a source on this page.  My point with the fergusson article was to provide an extreme example of the possibility of non-fact appearing on one article and being referenced as fact in another.  With regards to using something such as 2009[1] would the cite web work inside the squad information template? Chappy  TC 11:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Since and End columns are simple text. Anything you enter there should work. The only problem is width. The column have a set width and if goes much more the table could not fit in a 1024 width setting. Since cite web needs a title, I think it won't fit (unless the title is a single "."). How about enter like 2007, that works well and looks good? --ClaudioMB 21:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Citeweb only shows something such as a [1] where it is placed, the title along with all other information only appears in the references section of the page, see all the reference numbers in the events section of this article. With this in mind, if its only the width of the text displayed that affects it then I wouldn't think that at most 5 characters would affect it.  Chappy  TC 22:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you use  , like in the events, it will be not a problem. The width won't be a issue. --ClaudioMB 23:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes on Squad information

message: This discussion is grouped here with other similar articles. Please, participate. Regards. --ClaudioMB 01:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Standard date format

message: i beleive david prutton has been used on the right, and jon douglas in the centre of midfield,
contrary to what this column says  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.188.213.214 (talk) 11:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  most frequent starts 

message: There is a discussion about Manual of Style for club season articles that could after this article, you could participate here.--ClaudioMB 16:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Manual of Style for club season articles

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