Talk:A. James Gregor

message: "Gregor's marriage to University of Nevada Professor Maria Hsia Chang, however, should disprove many myths about his alleged "racist" views that have been leveled upon him by his critics, namely the embittered faculty and staff of the the Ethnic Studies Department at UC Berkeley. A number of leftist intellectuals in Berkeley harbor great distaste for Gregor's views. Most likely, these academics are very unhappy with the validity of Gregor's attacks on their beliefs. More specifically, Gregor predicted that the Marxism that many leftists espoused during the 1960's lack any validity whatsoever in the modern world of political and economic development." -> This entire paragraph needs to be removed. Wikipedia brands itself as an Encyclopedia where one can find out factual information, not opinion and bias, about subjects. The fact that the author of this paragraph says that Gregor's marriage deflates him from charges of racism is ludicrous. Also, why are you attacking the "Ethnic Studies Department" at Berkeley? That's a reflection of YOUR views, not NECESSARILY Gregor's. Even if they are Gregor's, they don't belong here. Write an op-ed piece.
"The book argues that fascism was actually a left wing philosophy." - is this really in the book (I don't have my copy on me, I'll follow up if still unanswered)? He lectures thoroughly on how little (if any) information is imparted by the left/right distinction. This statement has to be a mischaracterization: Gregor would argue that given the typology, it easily can be shown that attributes associated with Facism (purportedly right wing), can easily be applied to revolutionary regiemes of the left (Russia, China, Cuba, etc). His point is "left-wing" and "right-wing" are meaningless distinctions, at least in the case of Facism  vs. "Revolutionary Marxism" (quotes, due to his emphasis on the lack of any meaningful relationship, beyond rhetoric, between Marxist theory and these revolutionary movements) and rather share many fundamental characteristicss. This page needs A LOT added to it, he produeced many other interesting thoughts in the last 40 years that this page does not due justice to!
"[...] offensive comments Gregor has made concerning women and minorities [...]" My God.... it's an obsession! This is simply FALSE! Henry Cassini 11:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
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message: Can anyone here assert criticism of his ideas and works? GrandSultanMaeltheGreat (talk) 06:45, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by assert? Grayfell (talk) 07:32, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

text: You may find this helpful: http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/bibliography/gregrbib.htm — the annotations are helpful if the titles of the articles and publications carrying them aren’t sufficient. The article for his International Association for the Advancement of Ethnology and Eugenics has some helpful links in its refs as well, see e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20070503082757/http://www.press.uillinois.edu/epub/books/tucker/ch3.html or http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0341/is_n1_v54/ai_21107572. 23.115.162.60 (talk) 22:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism of his works 

message: In the article and a few of his works, it is made explicit that when he discusses “fascism”, he means “paradigmatic Fascism”, namely something specifically resembling Mussolini’s Italian Fascism. I don’t doubt his credentials / expertise in this area, but it seems that is not what everyone else means when discussing fascism.
Since the article presents Gregor as a foremost authority on (unqualified) fascism, it seems this peculiar definition, and its (lack of?) acceptance in the field, deserves more prominent placement. But, since I’m not anywhere near an expert in this area, I‘m not qualified to make such broad claims about academic consensus or to evaluate sources with such claims (e.g. how to weight these against the competing sources already in the article calling him a foremost scholar?).
Any better-placed editors out there? Am I mistaken, and the academic consensus really is that the term “fascist” does not properly describe any of the modern movements claiming that title? 23.115.162.60 (talk) 12:26, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mainstream views? 

message: I have restored the improvement templates, since these issues have not been resolved, as far as I can see. The article is still relies too heavily on Gregor's own works, and is still to sparsely sourced to obscure commentary without proper context or attribution. As a BLP, every claim needs to be sourced, and every "evaluation" needs to be attributed and contextualized. Grayfell (talk) 06:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
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message: Looking through sources it does seem that Gregor's connection to these topics is established, but reading the talk page there seems some debate as the extent of his involvement specifically after the 1960s. Removing was premature on my part although I am on the fence about putting it in the lede and infobox. What do others think?    3Kingdoms (talk) 14:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO it's not just a self-evidently notable part of his career (founding member of a notable international policy organization alongside a decade+ of lobbying and academic work), but it's also crucial context for his later heterodox work on fascism. The fact that his earlier positions became untenable for a respectable academic to hold post-1967 doesn't negate fact that he held them -- if you haven't done so, I'd highly recommend reading his "rebuttal" to Newby's characterization that Humanist Poet cited above to get an idea to what extent his views had actually changed. 2600:1700:E4C0:40C0:95F0:1718:2090:F8D7 (talk) 15:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eugenics and Segregation   

message: A list of 14 of Gregor's articles was recently added, but it is unclear what criteria were used to select them. Do independent RS note them? If not, then WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE  and WP:NOTDIRECTORY apply and they should be removed. Llll5032 (talk) 23:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I was treating them like the book section. These were simply the ones I’ve gone through on JSTOR and added. There are others, but I have not gotten to them. 3Kingdoms (talk) 15:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for responding. He appears to have hundreds of articles listed on JSTOR, so I am removing this new section because a full list would be too long, a partial list without secondary sources has unclear selection criteria, and policies discourage such listings without contextual information. Per WP:NOTDIRECTORY #1, his important articles can be described if editors find context for them from independent reliable sources. Llll5032 (talk) 04:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New list of selected articles