Talk:States parties to the Rome Statute

message: This article and the main ICC article currently state that there are 105 states parties to the Rome Statute.  This is not strictly true: Japan acceded to the Statute on 17 July 2007, but the Statute won't enter into force for Japan until 1 October.  As such, Japan is not currently a State Party.  Crimes committed by Japanese nationals or on Japanese territory before 1 October will not fall under the ICC's jurisdiction (barring, of course, a Security Council referral or a declaration by the Japanese government, etc).
I'm aware that the UN treaties website says there are 105 Parties to the Rome Statute, but this ICC press release is more specific: "On 1st October 2007, when the Statute will enter into force for Japan, the total number of States Parties to the Rome Statute will be 105."  Moreover, the ICC's list of States Parties doesn't include Japan.
Can I suggest we reword it to "As of July 2007, 104 states are party to the Rome Statute.  Japan will become a state party on 1 October 2007, bringing the total to 105." ?
This might be a little unwieldy (and I might be accused of nit-picking) but I think it's important we get basic figures like the number of states parties correct. Sideshow Bob Roberts 00:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That suggested change is fine with me—I made the original change on the International Criminal Court page, which someone picked up on and used to edit the page here, but my original edit was simply based on a news article I read and then I confirmed it through the UN Treaty source, as you said. I didn't look into the matter any deeper. –SESmith 02:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps also the map should be revereted back to the one with an uncolored Japan—or at least the map too should be labeled to indicate these are the state parties as of 1 Oct. –SESmith 02:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted to the original map.  Unfortunately, this means we lose all the other changes you've made to the map, but I'm totally clueless about images and I don't know how to change to an uncolored Japan while preserving your other changes.  Sorry! Sideshow Bob Roberts 00:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's fine. We can just change it to the new one I made on 1 Oct. If I can get around to it perhaps I'll do up an interim one, but it would involve reloading a new map, so .... –SESmith 07:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I just put the new map back up without Japan colored. Uncoloring Japan was easier than I thought, so it was no problem. –SESmith 07:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same problem again.  This time, Madagascar's coloured green, though it won't become a state party until 1 June.  We should either temporarily change Madagascar back to white or explain clearly in our captions (in each article) that the map shows the states parties as of 1 June 2008 (provided no other country ratifies the treaty before 1 April, etc).  I prefer the first option.  Sideshow Bob Roberts (talk) 14:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 105 States Parties?

message: Chad is not colored on the map but it is listed as a member in the article, somebody please correct this.
(Chad is above Central African Republic, west of Sudan, below Libya, and east of Niger)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.95.133.192 (talk) 06:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now done (not by me!) AndrewRT(Talk) 23:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map Error: Chad 

message: Do we detail anywhere whcih countries have opted out of war crimes jurisdiction? If so this source  may be usable Colombia's position. AndrewRT(Talk) 21:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  War crimes out outs 

message: Since the Cook Islands are not a sovereign nation (I know they have the right to declare independence if they want, but as of right not they are territory of New Zealand), should they really be listed? I know the term "country" doesn't meant only sovereign nations, but it still seems misleading. 104 "countries" may be members of the ICC, but only 103 sovereign nations. TJ Spyke 02:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. A reply to your comment is coming late, but better late than never: The Cook Islands is listed as a state party in the UN Treaty Database (and by the ICC). The United Nations consider the Cook Islands as a non-member state after it confirmed its capacity to enter into treaties. So they might not be sovereign to the fullest extent but they have the capacity to enter into the Rome Statute and thus are a state party. --EBB (talk) 15:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cook Islands 

message: Should we have a section for it? I don't see one here. Here's an example of a country that didn't do either.  Ominae (talk) 08:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: States that didn't ratify Rome Statute & legislation implementation

message: I've reverted this edit, which claims that Chile's ratification of the Rome Statute is "not official".  The government of Chile has deposited its instrument of ratification with the UN Secretariat, which is as final and official as it gets.  Both the UN and the ICC confirm that Chile has ratified the treaty.  If anyone wants to claim that the ratification is "not official", please cite a reliable, published source that says so.  Polemarchus (talk) 00:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chile

message: Media are reporting that Klaus has signed and so they have ratified. Presumably the deposition is imminent.  AndrewRT(Talk)(WMUK) 02:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech Rep 

message: Wouldn’t ‘States Party to…’ be more grammatically plausible than ‘States Parties to…’? Ian Spackman (talk) 11:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to make the same comment as the above. But as I see he hasn’t been challenged, I’ll move it to the linguistically preferable form. Ian Spackman (talk) 14:18, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, the problem is that the Assembly of States Parties is denoted exactly that way. So we might want to keep ourselves in line with the Rome Statute. --EBB (talk) 15:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Hi  What is it about Ukraine on this map that you find misleading?  It think it is helpful in illustrating the article to depict all the ways that the court can be granted jurisdiction under the Rome Statue.  Is your issue the limited window in time in which jurisdiction was granted?
Personally I believe that there are several benefits to the svg map, so if you could clarify what the problem is it would be preferential to fix it rather than reverting to the old png.  TDL (talk)
:I don't think Ukraine should have a special designation on the map for two reasons. The primary reason is that the map's purpose is to show states' status in relation to the Rome Statute, not the Court's jurisdiction. For example, I don't think Libya and Darfur should be shaded a different color on the map just because the Court presumably has perpetual jurisdiction over those territories. The second reason is that it is misleading. The Court's jurisdiction in Ukraine is temporally narrow and the map gives the impression that Ukraine's jurisdctional status is akin to that of a state party. I also want to clarify that I have no problems with the SVG format per se. The only reason I didn't edit the map directly was because I have no idea how to edit SVG files. – Zntrip 15:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: States_parties_to_the_Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court#United_States indicates that "Some US Senators have suggested that the treaty could not be ratified without a constitutional amendment."; however, the citation does not mention U.S. Senators at all. Squideshi (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Incorrect 

message: While it is true that for most States, the effective date of jurisdiction is the date it enters into force for that State, it IS possible that a State may append a declaration accepting Jurisdiction prior to that date as early as July 1, 2002.  Given this, wouldn't it be a good idea to add a column to this effect?  I would do it unilaterally, but I really don't have the time right now.  36.235.150.99 (talk) 09:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: While I know Uganda has extended the jurisdiction ratione temporis by an article 12(3) declaration, I don't believe the Court has ruled on whether states parties can do this since article 12(3) explicitly applies to "a State which is not a Party to this Statute". Nevertheless, I do think it is worth mentioning somewhere in this article. – Zntrip 18:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jurisdiction ratione temporis 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In your latest edit, you turned every space into a double space which I don't think you were trying to do, so I've undone it but tried to preserve the actual changes you were trying to make - as far as I can tell, that was adding  beneath the lead, and changing two instances of  to . Did I miss anything? DanCherek (talk) 20:46, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh boy, thanks for catching that! I intended to replace existing double spaces with single spaces, not the other way around. Those two changes that you mentioned were the only others. My apologies for the trouble. – Zntrip 21:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 2023 

message: There were some reports from Taliban-controlled medias say that Afghan is considering to withdraw their "ratifiction, accession and entry into force status" of Rome Statute, but I don't know whether they can be reliable for indicating here. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:30, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghanistan quit or not? 

message: Sooner or later the official UN page https://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=IND&mtdsg_no=XVIII-10&chapter=18&clang=_en should get updated for Armenia - and then that will be a good source. Boud (talk) 17:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I just reverted the change of Armenia, as it hasn't completed ratification yet.  Their internal domestic process may well be completed, but it still needs to formally notify the UN of its acceptance of the treaty for it to become legally binding. Per the source you linked, that hasn't happened yet.  We should wait until we have evidence that they have completed their ratification of the treaty.  TDL (talk) 17:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenia: waiting for UN officials/admins to update their website