Talk:Do Not Stand at My Grave and Weep

message: Karin, I am afraid you are delusional.  The poem was written long before 1981.  I had the text from an old newspaper clipping and read it at my son's funeral in 1984. I am inclined to believe Dear Abby, and credit authorship to Mary Frye.
Kevin McQuillian68.205.169.151 (talk) 00:57, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And I am Spartacus, you guys. It was published somewhere. If you know the authorship, find a verifiable citation for it. MMetro (talk) 05:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: I found a pretty nice German translation, though it is only fan-made:
http://wortlandung.blogspot.com/2007/12/wo-mein-grab-liegt-bin-ich-nicht.html
Actually, it is a pretty good translation but I am unsure if it should belong to a wikipedia article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.174.100.191 (talk) 09:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In general, there's no reason to include non-English translations in the English Wikipedia. -Phoenixrod (talk) 22:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  German Version 

message: I've removed the following italicized text from the article as original research:
Mary Frye’s poem has echoes and some sentiments reminiscent of Wordsworth's "The Complaint of a Forsaken Indian Woman" ('Lyrical Ballads 1798'. see Oxford University Press, Edition 1969, and later reprints)
Quote: 'Then do not weep and grieve for me'
Wordsworth wrote that the poem was designed to "follow the fluxes and refluxes of the mind when agitated by the great and simple affections of our nature ... by accompanying the last struggles of a human being at the approach of death, cleaving in solitude to life and society."
The introductory note records that when a Northern Indian, from sickness, is unable to continue his journey with his companions; he is left behind ... and if he is unable to follow, or overtake them, he perishes in the Desart [sic] ... females are equally, or still more so, exposed to the same fate.
If there are any sources for these claims, then perhaps they can be re-introduced to the article. -Phoenixrod (talk) 16:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: William Wordsworth

message: I am new to this game so please advise me where I can post my contribution which you have removed.
My contribution surely adds to the debate on origins? Why someone has not picked this up before, I don't know.<ref: Lyrical Ballads 1798, Oxford University Press>
Regards
HK 19 November 2010
H K Rodd (talk) 14:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so you wrote the section I quoted above? Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not allow what we call original research. In essence, we cannot write about a connection between Wordsworth and Frye unless it's in secondary sources. Your comment, "Why someone has not picked this up before, I don't know", is a perfect example: you are drawing a connection on your own that, sadly, counts as original research. While the academic world thrives on original research, Wikipedia doesn't. You could include it only if it's discussed in reliable sources. -Phoenixrod (talk) 02:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Wordsworth 

message: I suggest the following addition.
By far the most popular sung version now is Part V of Howard Goodall's Requiem: Eternal Light Alf Heben (talk) 00:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  song versions 

message: While the question of attribution has occasioned much debate, as is natural, a section on literary critical reaction (if there has been any) would be appropriate.
For example, the version produced by Frye has four extra lines which are vastly inferior to the rest in having an odd number of syllables and very banal imagery. (This makes me suspicious of her claims by the way.)
In what is clearly a "folk" poem one would naturally expect to find a very regular metre, either alternating 4 feet (i.e. 8 syllables) with 3 (i.e. 6 syllables), or simply 4 feet per line. None of the versions I have seen quite achieve this, but may easily be made to do so,
The following is what has been called the ‘modern definitive version’ but with two emendations: (i) losing two syllables in the line “When you …”; (ii) changing ‘starlight’ to ‘starshine’, following in this respect the first printed version of 1968, the reason is that the internal rhyme ‘light’/’night’ is too obtrusive.
Do not stand at my grave and weep
 I am not there; I do not sleep. 
I am a thousand winds that blow, 
I am the diamond glints on snow, 
I am the sun on ripened grain, 
I am the gentle autumn rain. 
When you wake in the morning's hush 
I am the swift uplifting rush 
Of quiet birds in circling flight.  
I am the soft starshine at night.  
Do not stand at my grave and cry,  
I am not there; I did not die.
Alf Heben (talk) 01:03, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism 

message: The change in the words has been ref'd to http://www.businessballs.com/donotstandatmygraveandweep.htm, surely that is not authoritative and we should be utilising the work as published by the author. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  change is non-authoriotative 

message: Shouldn't it be "Do Not Stand at My Grave and Weep"?--Mycomp (talk) 12:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Mycomp (talk) 06:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Until "However, other, similar versions of this poem had been circulating for some time and were sometimes found in tombstones prior to when Frye claimed to have written the poem, and Frye did not produce any real evidence that she actually wrote this work. In addition, while there had been considerable anti-semitism in Germany back in 1932, the Nazis did not win power until 1933, weakening the veracity of Frye's story which was never corroborated." gets a citation. --Neopeius (talk) 05:00, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Downgrading 

message: I have refocused the article's attention on Clare Harner. The lede was too long, and digressed far too much on false attributions. The author of the poem is not in dispute. Moreover, Frye's plagiarism was given far too much weight in the article. It's irrelevant why she claimed she wrote the poem, since she never did. People who are curious about her motivation can follow the cited sources. For those curious about the poem, it's more helpful to have the article focus on its actual author. Trumpetrep (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Orientation toward Harner