Talk:Shaun Bonétt

message: Three alert tags were removed after edits were conducted by JohBD. Please note: In relation to “Conflict of Interest” alert tag  that JohBD is not connected with the subject and has reviewed the content of this article to ensure no other editor has promoted their “own interests”, including “business or financial interests”, or “external relationships, such as with family, friends or employers”. See policy at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COI>
In relation to the “written like an advertisement” alert tag  the content has been significantly reduced and any text that resembles an advertisement removed to be brought in line with the policy that content should be written in an “objective and unbiased style, free of puffery”. See policy at <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not&redirect=no#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox_or_means_of_promotion>.
In relation to the “underlinked” alert tag  the content has been reviewed and hyperlinks inserted where relevant according to the policy that dictates linked are “needed to aid understanding of the article” and integration with the encyclopedia. See policy at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#Underlinking>. An internal link has been added to the Wikipedia Sovereign Military Order of Malta <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_Malta>and the second is the request for prospective Heartfelt Foundation page <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heartfelt_Foundation&action=edit&redlink=1>.--JohBD (talk) 06:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly I find much of what you said impossible to believe. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Alert Tags

message: Hi all.  There's been a good amount of cleaning done on this article recently; do you think the tags are still warranted?  I don't see any glaring issues with the page's tone.  Pinging recent editors , , and . Howicus (Did I mess up?) 21:39, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I reckon leave them. Cleanup is still a work in progress. See "In January 2014, Bonétt opened Apple Inc.'s largest retail flagship store in Australia in Precision Group's MacArthur Central in Brisbane." Nope. That's not what happened. Apple opened it. Bonett, CEO and MD of Precision Group, just made a comment to the media.  duffbeerforme (talk) 10:05, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I can appreciate your desire to cleanup this article, User:Duffbeerforme, and thank you for your efforts. I felt that I did a thorough job of trying to remove anything that seemed promotional from this article but noticed that you restored the tags. Would you kindly delineate here, the sentences of the article that you have an issue with? I'd be happy to correct these so that we can get the tags removed, which should be the goal of this article. Thanks for your help!  04:18, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi again, I'm going to go ahead and remove the tags as I believe I've sufficiently addressed any former promotional-sounding content by rewriting the article completely. If you have any additional concerns, you are welcome to note them here.  17:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Given your long history of overly promotional writing and your ongoing status as a paid advocate, you are not the one who should be removing these tags.  duffbeerforme (talk) 10:56, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

text: I would be happy to work with you, User:Wiae, to replace some of the quotes with regular text. The reason why I used quotes, initially, was to replace any promotional appearing text with verifiable words used by the author of the source. Would you be willing to replace that quote with text that you feel conveys the same point? User:Duffbeerforme, I appreciate your concerns, but for articles that I have been paid to do, I have appropriately disclosed that. This article is not one of them and so I would ask that you respect my comments here. From looking at the talk page, it seems that you suspect other editors that have worked on this article (such as User:JohBD and User:Sony Orlov) of being paid advocates. It is much more desirable to use  on this talk page, rather than  in the article itself. I'm going to go ahead and remove  from the article, but I will leave  until User:Wiae and I have completely fixed the article. You're welcome to state your concerns (if any) here rather than reverting. In the mean time, User:Wiae and I will work to genuinely improve the quality of this article.  16:32, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure, I don't mind working on the text over the next days. I don't have any special expertise in dealing with conflicts of interest so the issue of the tags is one I won't chime in on right now. Thanks, /wiae /tlk 23:36, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: And I've restored the COI tag and have bought up the issue at the Conflict of interest Noticeboard. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already explained to you that it's preferable to have that tag on the talk page, rather than in the article itself and that's why I moved the tag to this talk page. Also, you restored the advertisement tag despite User:Wiae stating that he's going to work on the text over these next few days, along with myself. Please be aware that after another revert, you will have breached WP:3RR and I'm politely warning you of that. WP:CLEANUPTAG states that "Tags should be accompanied by a comment on the article's talk page explaining the problem and beginning a discussion on how to fix it, or, for simpler problems, a remark using the reason parameter as shown below; tagging editors must be willing to follow-through with substantive discussion." I'm going to go ahead and undo your edit, assuming good faith that you didn't see that I moved the tag to this talk page. At this point, I encourage you to actually work on the article, rather than placing tags on it and then going away, which anyone can do. I would appreciate your cooperation for the sake of the project.  02:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted your edit removing the tag, as your rationale above reflects a lack of understanding of what the tag is for, which is to alert readers to the likelihood of biased content and to attract independent editors to clean up the article.  It can serve neither purpose on the Talk page. Jytdog (talk) 23:56, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: As I've said before, the tag is only relevant on the talk page for historic reasons to highlight potential paid advocates who have edited the article. Since I completely rewrote the article mostly using the words of the sources in quotes, such a tag isn't needed anymore. The advert tag might be necessary, temporarily, until Wiae brings further revision to the article. When that's complete, that tag can go too. 14:47, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That is 100% incorrect.  As a paid editor you need to understand the purpose of the COI tag.  Go read the instructions for it and stop insisting that something that is utterly false is correct - you will see they say nothing about using the  template on the talk page.  It is used on the article.  [User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tags? 

message: I've tagged sources 17 and 18 as possibly needing to be replaced by a better source. Both were written in the last month and say that he is a knight of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. However, I can't find older sources that verify this claim. Now, it very well may be true, but the reason I'm a little suspicious is because the Shaun Bonett article stated that he was , until I removed it for lacking citations last month. I wonder if this might be a case of citogenesis. Thanks, /wiae /tlk 13:52, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: On a related note, an editor has added a new source for this claim: the 5 July 2011 edition of The Maltese Herald. I've found this, but I'm not sure if this is the entire paper or just the first page. Either way, it doesn't mention Bonett at all. If anyone can verify this source it'd be great. /wiae /tlk 04:31, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Wiae, I've acquired an original version of the paper and it mentions Bonett in the following sentence: "Among those taking thier vows were a number of persons of Maltese background. These included Mark Boffa, the son of Dr George and Laura Boffa, businessman Shaun Bonett, Fr Leonard Testa's nephew, Frank Testa and Queenslander, Mr Anthony Gerada." I think adding this to the reference will help, since the paper isn't available online.-- 17:11, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's great; thanks! /wiae /tlk 17:16, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the two mentioned at the start of this thread. They are from the author summary, a section provided by the authors rep and as such is primary. The claim has been questioned so primary sourcing from the subject should not be relied on. The The Maltese Herald  cite(local Sydney publication for Maltese Australians) has been marked as dubious as this is from mid 2011 for something that supposedly happened in early 2010. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better sources needed 

message: I cut the content below from the article and am pasting it here for further discussion:
In addition, Bonétt was invested into the Sovereign Military Order of Malta in 2010.
This is very weak sourcing for a strong claim, and I just searched and found no WP:RS that discuss this.  I checked out the website of the order here and two things come to mind.  The first, is that even their "lowest" ranks are people who (according to their site)  are people "who do not profess religious vows or the Promise, but who live according to the principles of the Church and of the Order."  Those principles include "nobility of spirit and conduct".  At minimum, the longterm effort by Precision Group to abuse the public-good mission of Wikipedia for promotion, and the lack of disclosure of conflict of interest and SOCKing by editors who have come here to do that on Precision's behalf, somewhat belies claims to "nobility of..  conduct."   Secondly, their site notes that there are many "mimic orders" and urges caution about claims around affiliations.  So this should not be in the article until we have much better sourcing. Jytdog (talk) 00:17, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Malta 

message: Storing them here for posterity. /wiae /tlk 15:28, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  References that I've removed since they're no longer being used as sources 

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