Talk:Administrative divisions of Ukraine

message: I have a few old atlases which say that in fact in the 1950's two more oblasts existed in UkSSR. From an excellent collection of topographical maps here is a 1940 atlas, which on Ukraine's map (don't worry its the site that has the permission) clearly shows the Drogobych Oblast and the Moldavian ASSR, as well as the original 1939 border. I have a few late 1940's atlases which show the Izmail oblast as well (basically the part of Odessa oblast that was annexed from Bessarabia in 1940). So how should we present this quite important information? Kuban kazak 00:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Drogobych and Izmail Oblasts; Moldavian ASSR

message: Please take a look at :Template talk:Kiev for a proposed change to the template. Let me know what you think!--tufkaa 21:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Kiev Template

message: I've been adding these lists of raions in table format into the oblast articles. Listing all the raions contained within an oblast is probably unnecessarily lengthens these articles (especially since they are listed in the template), so I created List of raions in Ukraine by Oblast. We should probably have the equivalent listing all raions alphabetically. We can then link to this from the oblast page, if one were searching for a list of all raions within that oblast. I haven't thought about rewording the text in the individual articles yet minus the template, so I plan to leave the templates in for know. 
Please let me know what you think about developing a comprehensive list like this, and if we should include population (like the List of cities in Ukraine by Oblast does, and how else to format it, etc. Thanks!--tufkaa 22:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You folks are probably getting tired of me with my Russian analogies :), but do you think making a dedicated article for each Ukrainian oblast would a better solution?  In my opinion, one article listing all raions will get a bit too long; to the point where people might hesitate to add to it just because of it.  Ideally, a locator map of each raion would be quite helpful (see, for example, Administrative divisions of Adygea—this is how all Russian federal subjects will eventually be formatted; note that this is not simply a list of raions), and you might want to add some other overview information later.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have thought about doing this for Ukrainian subdivisions for some time now, but never really put it into use. The current solution is fine just as well, but I would rather have an outline of subdivisions like here (even if it will be inside the oblast article), instead of a table of raions. Also, is there a possible way to make the table into two columns? Because it gets kind of long like this... —dima  /sb.tk/  17:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of raions

message: This was posted at Template talk:Poltava Oblast, regarding proposed changes to Template Poltava Oblast and Template:Zaporizhzhia Oblast:
IMHO, Template:Administrative divisions of Ukraine is the most simple and elegant of all Ukrainian navigational templates (although I added the Tryzub, the elegant design preceded me, and I would like to praise the person responsible). For this reason, I suggested a change at Template talk:Zaporizhzhia Oblast to change the oblast templates to something more like Template:Ukraine. The goal would be to make the individual templates smaller, and then making individual templates for individual raions. The raion templates would list all cities, towns, and villages within the raion. Once those are established:
*Cities, towns and villages which are subordinate to the raion only, and which do not serve as administrative centers for raions, would only have the raion template. 
*Raions, cities which are subordinate to the oblast, as well as cities, towns and villages which serve as raion centers, would have their raion template as well as the oblast template listed in their article.
*Oblasts, cities with special status, as well as cities which serve as oblast centers, would have their raion template, the oblast template, as well as the Ukraine template listed in their article.
Also, I liked the consistency of using the coats of arms on the left and the flags on the right. Following the pattern, the raion templates would have the oblast flag on the right, as the oblast templates have the Ukrainian flag on the right.--tufkaa 17:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please check Template:Oblast and Template:Cherkasy Oblast. What do you think? --MapLover 23:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's more like it. Great idea! But perhaps we should make the Oblast template have a section Cities of Oblast subordinance (to not include cities in Raion section) and a separate Other cities section like on Template:Poltava Oblast right now. —dima  /sb.tk/  01:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my view, the navigational template would be the most clear if we include 4 categories: Raions (w/o cities), Cities (all of them; regardless of subordinantion), Urban-type settlements, and Villages. But, if you want to split cities into two categories, I guess, it would be also fine. If this is the case, then let's just name them properly, i.e. "cities of oblast subordinance", and "cities of raion subordinance". The latter is more clear than "other cities". So, let's decide. --MapLover 23:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, I agree with you now about having four subdivision categories in the template and removing the city from the "raion" section. But we could also do with what we have now... If you really want to change it, I guess we could. —dima  /sb.tk/  03:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expanding further

message: Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 14:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  THE BIG MAP 

message: Hi
I am sure this has come up before but the english terms are pretty sketchy.
First there are some major differences between UK and American.
In the UK a city is a town that has city status, it used to be that it had to have a cathedral to be called a city but now it is a city charter. Some cities are very small, and much smaller than some towns. For example the City of Salford - it is a tiny area in the middle of the Manchester city centre. It also has a
So, the list from largest down to smallest:
UK...............................USA
Region...(East Anglia).....?
County...(Norfolk)...........State
Greater..(Norwich)...........?
City.....(of Norwich)..........?
Town.....(Sprowston)........?
Village..(Rackheath)........?
;See this map 
*Greater Norwich - the city, the area that Norwich has grown into as a conurbation. Normally referred to as a metropolitan borough
*City of Norwich - the area which is administered by the city council. Outside these areas the County councils take control.
Hope we can get this fixed as most of this makes no sense to me, and I am pretty well clued up (well I thought I was) Chaosdruid (talk) 11:31, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names (again) 

message: Question, is an urban-type settlement (селища міського типу) always subbordinate to a district, or can it have a higher level of administrative significance?  As we now, all city administrations have some level of significance, and can range from cities on the save level as regions (Kiev) all the way down to cities subordinate to raions.  But, do urban-type settlements have anything above district significance? --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:14, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, in Ukraine, they are always subordinate to a district or to a city of oblast significance. Russia is different, they can be of federal significance (big military bases).--Ymblanter (talk) 11:17, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the quick response.  Perhaps, this would be an interesting fact to add on the urban-type settlements section, here, and the on other pages detailing these administrative subdivisions.  On this page, it seems to go from a "cities" subsection in the "Councils" section before it skips down immediately to "Other municipalities" which seems to detail the rural/village municipalites.  This leaves some confusion about the administrative level of urban-type settlements.  Perhaps, we need three subsections under the "Council" section including "Cities", "Urban-type settlements" and "rural/village municipalities."  It's not made clear exactly what administrative level urban-type settlements are on.  Are they on an equal level as cities of district significance, or are they on the lowest administrative level with rural and village municipalities?  I guess another way to ask this is whether you could theoretically have an urban-type settlement within the boundaries of a city of district significance (місто районного значення)?  Anyone want to clarify that on article page?--Criticalthinker (talk) 21:22, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. , the only populated places in Ukraine that have various levels of significance are cities of Ukraine. I think it is mentioned in the article (at least it used to be). After establishment of the Soviet regime in 1920s, all towns (містечка) were re-designated into urban-type settlements. I also used the form of town interchangeably with urban-type settlements out of brevity. Urban-type settlements along with cities compose the urban populated places in Ukraine, unlike villages and rural settlements that are part of rural populated places in Ukraine. As Ymblanter mentioned, urban-type settlements may be part of city municipality (city of regional significance) may it be republican or oblast significance. Urban-type settlements are governed by own local town council, similarly to the cities of district significance. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:12, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Cities in the article have their own subsection, because they are the only populated places in Ukraine that have various levels of significance and may include several other cities, towns or villages. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Just my attention, but I'd give each local government (city, urban-type settlement, and village/settlement council) its own subsection to make clear that each is an administrative division.  I'm not even sure "urban-type settlement" is even mentioned by name in the "Other municipalities" section despite being a distinct administrative subdivision.  Even a settlement councils get mention. --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:19, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

text: , the fact is that urban-type settlements are not even mentioned in the Constitution of Ukraine. Those are unconstitutional entities. In the constitution they are referred to simply as settlements. Settlement councils imply councils based in urban-type settlements. Please, note that often people confuse a populated place with administrative division, because in Ukraine local government and administrative division where the government is located are named one the same, i.e. the Donetsk city government is the Donetsk City Council (miskrada) and it is located in the Donetsk City Council (miskrada); in Donetsk Oblast, the Donetsk City Council has a status of the city of regional significance; the Donetsk City Council is further divided in urban districts some of which may include other city, town, or rural councils, among which is the Mospyne City Council. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban-type settlements (селища міського типу)  

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message: Since "United territorial community" are an agglomeration of adjacent city, settlement and rural councils, would it be more accurate to say that a "United territorial community" is a half-step in responsibilities from any of its individual components, and then maybe a half-step below a city of regional significance?  It strikes me as odd that such a territorial agglomeration would also be on the same level as its constituent units/parts.  It strikes me that they are an urbanized version of a raion.  That is unless these united territorial communities are still subordinate to raion authorities. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:02, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  United territorial community 

message: If the law is passed and some administrative divisions of Ukraine will be abolished ideally this article's content will change..... Also noticeably in the draft law is that the Territorial communities (they keep getting different English translations in different sources) is an integral part of Ukraine's administrative divisions. Something that is not reflected in today's version of this Wikipedia article. The English sources that I used to write about these Territorial communities did never made its status clear.....
More information here  and here (in English).  — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:14, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A presidential draft law that will abolish some administrative divisions of Ukraine has been sent to parliament (in December 2019) 

message: Should the word "oblast" be capitalized? So far, it's inconsistent - look at the Zhitomir Oblast article.--Adûnâi (talk) 03:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it should be capitalized.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I mean, it should be capitalized in names xx Oblast, but I guess not as a standing alone word.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Amalgamated hromada which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 17:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The second table in the Overview section ("Table (After 2020)") is unhelpful in its current form. It shows the raions in cities outside the territorial regime. I'm not sure if this is because that's unclear after the reform of administrative divisions or what, but it's very confusing. The same with the "populated places" category. Everything makes sense in the first chart. Perhaps it'd be best to remove this chart until it's made clear which administrative subdivisions are subordinate to the others? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The first table is however outdated. I removed the raions in cities and populated places from the second table; hopefully someone familiar with the details of the reform can fix it later.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables in Overview Section 

message: I'm curious, with the reform that has subordinated all hromada to raions, has there been any change to the law or constitution dealing with "districts in cities" (райони у містах)? Just curious if they should be added to the table in the overview concerning the current heirarcy of administrative divisions placed below that of the hromada. 
Level of subdivision	Territory                 	Total
First               	autonomous republic       	1
First               	cities with special status	2
First               	oblasts (regions)         	24
Second              	raions (districts)        	136
Third               	hromadas (municipalities) 	1,469
 Criticalthinker (talk) 11:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Districts in Cities 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Odessa § Requested move 11 July 2022.  Rei (talk) 00:23, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[:Talk:Odessa#Requested move 11 July 2022|Talk:Odessa §&nbsp;Requested move 11 July 2022]]

message: Whenever anyone familiar with the language finds the time to edit this, I'd suggest significantly paring down & truncating the "Third level" section of the article. Since the reforms, it might only need a short paragraph or two mentioning that there were two levels/tiers of cities (minus the special regional cities) prior to 2020. A lot of that section was probably too much/confusing an explanation before the reform, and now explanation is mostly irrelevant. But, in mentioning the former levels/status, it'd be very helpful to be consistent & clear with the distinction between legal/statistical status and administrative status (district/regional significant), and emphasize the importance of the latter over the former for the purposes of the article. Criticalthinker (talk) 10:14, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third level 

message: Crimea is still under control of ukraine. 2600:1014:B15D:8539:AD5D:5AD6:70BB:5ED5 (talk) 05:45, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is false. Ymblanter (talk) 07:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violence is illegitimate 

message: The format of the "Population density" column of the section "First level" is not correct. The decimal points are erroneously written as commas, making the ranking not work correctly. Can someone please correct this? Windywendi (talk) 19:18, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  First level format correction 

message: Hello all, I have a problem with Bilohorivka being listed as the "de facto capital" of the Luhansk Oblast. I am intimately familiar with the fact that this was the only location under Ukrainian control in the entire region for some time. However, this does not automatically make it a "capital," de facto or otherwise, without reliable sources saying so. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 22:57, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not just that, but it's not even its own local government, anymore. The article for it says that it's part of the Lysychansk urban hromada. Yes, I agree; I'd remove mention of any de facto administrative center for the time being. Criticalthinker (talk) 11:11, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Currently de facto there is no capital of Luhansk Oblast. I propose just list Sievierodonetsk as a de facto capital in 2014–2022 like in the infobox in the Luhansk Oblast article. --UA0Volodymyr (talk) 04:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilohorivka listed as "de facto capital" of Luhansk Oblast 

message: It was a question even before the change in administration law, but it remains the case that the question is where are urban raions in the hierarchy? With the resubordination of cities of regional subordination, the urban raions in those cities certainly aren't on the second level of subordination, which is where they are currently listed in the article. At the same time, in the special cities, they may very well be seen at this level. It seems that the change to the law leaves them not in this extant hierarchy, but on a parallel one. Any opinions on how they should be shown in this article? Because the vast majority of urban raions are subordinate to the hromadas, so if anything, they are at a fourth level. But the ones in the special cities are functionally hromadas, themselves. Criticalthinker (talk) 06:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think this is correct. Ymblanter (talk) 07:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I understand that. I was asking if anyone had an opinion on how the level should be listed in the current article. Because I don't think putting it in the "raion" section and level is the best fit. Criticalthinker (talk) 08:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is best to put them in a separate section without mentioning the level number. Functionally, raions of Kyiv and Dnipro are the same, it does not make sense to keep them in separate sections. Ymblanter (talk) 09:03, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban raion placement in the hierarchy