Talk:Secret Treaties

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message: I can't believe there is still controversy about the sleeve/cover art.  First of all, the animals are WOLVES not domestic dogs. Wolves have deep connection with Adolph Hitler and the Nazi's - their headquarters on the Eastern front was called  "Wolfsschanze" or "Wolf Lair." The Nazi internal plan to have commandos infiltrating behind enemy lines was code-named "Werwolf", and the symbol for that plan was called a "Wolf's Hook" or "Wolfsangel" - in German loosly meaning "heraldic charges".  Therefore, for purposes of the song ME-262 (and therefore the album art) dead wolves are synonymous with "Dead Hitler". 
ME-262, (the song on the LP that spawned the cover art) is an account of an air-raid from a GERMAN pilot's perspective. BOC was accused of everything from satanism to being Nazis (most of the band was Jewish - so that makes no sense whatsoever).  Those accusations are clearly a case of the generic record-buying public  "not getting it".  
That is fully understandable since BOC  was both sardonic and ironic in their lyrics, and was not everyone's cup of tea. But after all "ME-262, Prince of Turbo-Jets"  may have been far superior technology, and the Nazi officers may have been blindly loyal to their Führer/Fuehrer... (Hitler's on the phone from Berlin...says 'I'm gonna make you a STAR..')  but alas it was all for naught...stardom for "Captain Von Ondine" was not to be. He may well have 'known the job' - but despite every advantage (more and better equipment, blind loyalty, superior logistic knowledge of the incoming British attack) the Germans were ultimately decisively defeated anyway.  That's the irony.   The contrast between "Glorious Warriors posing proudly with their Wolf-spirits(Hitler)" on the front of the record jacket and the empty, abandoned plane with the dead wolves scattered about (i.e- Hitler defeated all for naught) on the rear jacket.  Perhaps I was and still am hopelessly naive but the idea of "gratuitous animal cruelty" has never once crossed my mind.  Would a drawing of dead German pilots or SS officers scattered about been more acceptable? Apparently so to some animal rights' activists.  I'm sympathetic to that point of view as well - there is nothing I hate more than animal cruelty of any kind. But we live in a society where hunting animals for pleasure is perfectly A-OK with the vast majority.  Shoot Bambi- just don't mistreat my dog.   But I digress... 
BOC has also used positive animal imagery in other songs.  In "Astronomy" - the last track of the  LP, they sing "And don't forget my dog 
fixed and consequent..."   "My dog" is a reference to the star/constellation Sirius - fixed (for purposes of navigation) and of consequence (if you pay attention to it you'll get to where you're going). 
 
Thank you for the opportunity to respond. I don't know if I did it correctly, in the right place, whatever. Hopefully so. 
Moucon (talk) 05:56, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  More about the Cover Art: Wolves not Dogs 

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