Talk:List of country-name etymologies

message: Minds think alike, I guess. I started archiving last night and then came in and User: Wwoods had already moved it. Went ahead and kept mine, first from the time spent, second because a country-organized archive is much more useful than one split into several warring, jumbled screeds (WP:REFACTOR). User: Wwoods left a number of items such as an old discussion of Romania and a current discussion of Macedonia on this page, but simply moved them to archive since they were both finished discussions (at least until Wiki's other Macedonian policies change, see WP:LOCALCONSENSUS). — LlywelynII 23:22, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived: Do check there for previous conversation regarding contentious etymologies

message: Going through the archives, it looks like there are a few recurring themes that could do with mentioning. — LlywelynII 04:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Recurring Themes

message: I'll be pruning the page in the next day or two, but there has been an ongoing discussion for something like six years about the inclusion of non-national etymologies on this page. There is room for argument about historical nations such as England or Wales. There's very little for things like the Aland Islands.
User:Tridesch was quite rude, but on this point he wasn't wrong. Apart from the violation of WP:RELEVANCE, see the archive for the WP:CONSENSUS formed, e.g. the discussion of Baker Island. The very few arguments advocated in favor of the inclusion of regions (viz. the difficulty of finding the Canadian provinces' etymologies anywhere else) were vitiated by the creation of List of etymologies of country subdivision names. Please include subnational entities there; simply include the etymology on the area's own page; or begin a requested move to a different namespace such as list of geographical etymologies. — LlywelynII 23:47, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: This is a list of COUNTRY-name etymologies

message: Tridesch sometimes went beyond the colorful and into the personal. Remember to comment on the content and theories, not the person. Personal attacks hurt the community and the work. Naturally, vandalism is vandalism, but for the most part assume WP:GOODFAITH. — LlywelynII 04:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:NPA|No personal attacks]]

message: A lot of the attacks and arguments could be dealt with by citing reliable sources. If we don't know or the etymology is disputed, we can make a note of that; even in the case of "Russia", where the Soviet etymology is heavily discounted by objective scholarship outside the country, the alternate theory can, even should, be noted.
If you have no cites to include, include the  template or (better yet) simply mention it here on the talk page and ask for other editors to help out with sourcing your information. — LlywelynII 04:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Include [[WP:RELIABLESOURCES|reliable sources]] for the etymologies

message: For example: Albania certainly goes back to Greek meaning "land of the Albanians". Their name may derive from a local endonym, an Illyrian tribe, the Latin for "white", a Proto-Indo-European root for "white", or another PIE word for "hill".
We should lead with "land of Albanians" or "unknown" and only then explain the different theories; we should not lead with our own pet theory (WP:OWN). Even if one or two sources (and especially sources with known agendas) state their cases as if they had settled the issue, we should not list those findings as fact if significant reasonable disagreement still exists (WP:NPOV). — LlywelynII 00:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Try to stick with what we know

message: Right now, we've got
:Aturpat own name is the Old Persian for "protected by atar", the holy fire of Zoroastrianism.Minorsky, V. "Ādharbaydjān (Azarbāydjān)" in Encyclopaedia of Islam. E.J. Brill (Leiden), 2007.
but this article gives "Âtarepâta" and "keeper of the fire. Anyone have some more reliable sources about that variant than Livius? — LlywelynII 11:19, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Azerbaijan

message: Fixed the previous situation where a well-meaning editor hadn't paid attention to his tags. Using  produces "Burma", so we had text at #B Burma referring people to see Burma and #M Myanmar listed as a mis-filed Burma.
Anyway, there are very good arguments on both sides of this, but WP:LOCALCONSENSUS prescribes we shouldn't move our names around until Burma & co. move theirs, so if you feel strongly on the topic, let yourself be heard over there (WT:TITLE seems another popular spot, but honestly, Burma's probably the better go here). — LlywelynII 12:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Burma/Myanmar

message: User Kauffner restored previously removed text
:Often said to derive from Qin (221 BC - 206 BC), although usage pre-dates this dynasty.Liu, Lydia He, The clash of empires, p. 77.Wade, Geoff. "The Polity of Yelang and the Origin of the Name 'China'." Sino-Platonic Papers, No. 188. May 2009.
in place of correct and sourced
:It is unclear whether the Sanskrit derives from the Qin Dynasty, the earlier State of Qin, or the endonym zina employed by the Yelang kingdom in Guizhou.Wade, Geoff. "The Polity of Yelang and the Origin of the Name 'China'." Sino-Platonic Papers, No. 188. May 2009.
First, there was no reason given to remove the sourced Yelang etymology.
Second, it was inappropriate to leave the GeoWade source as though it supported the restored text, which it does not.
Third, Liu is in fact a source, but he is also materially incorrect. Qin state existed as early as the 8th century BC, and there is no Indian source invoking the name China predating the 4th or 5th century BC (see Chinas). China in the Mahābhārata (citing no sources) links China with Indian texts claimed to predate "the first millennium BC", but as the actual Mahabharata page explains there are no passages thought to predate even 400 BC and the actual text wasn't finalized until around AD 400. Until some new archive is discovered to change these facts, the text and source depreciating a possible Qin origin should be removed. — LlywelynII 08:49, 21 Se ptember 2011 (UTC)
:An especially bizarre edit since User:Kauffner presumably knows all this (except for the fact Qin was plenty notable prior to 400 BC and the closest division of China towards the Indians). — LlywelynII 08:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: China

message: Inasmuch as this is not now and never has been a country, doesn't go here but at list of etymologies of country subdivision names, under China or the UK. Ditto Macao (Portugal). — LlywelynII 20:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hong Kong

message: The entry cites a Roman historian named "Yalainous" and birth and death dates (23-79 AD).  The only problem is that there's never been a Roman historian by that name -- it doesn't even look like a Roman name (certainly Latin didn't use the letter Y in that way).  A little Google searching on the name only comes up with references to the name of Oman, many of which appear to be derived from this article. The reference given is to an Arabic-language book, so it's possible that the name has been transcribed from Latin into Arabic and then back again into Latin letters, but I can't figure out who it might be.  Any guesses? --Jfruh (talk) 19:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's almost certainly an Arabic transcription, but of the major historians the only one that even looks vaguely similar is Velleius. It's worth simply removing, pending some correct and sourced version of the name. — LlywelynII 20:45, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Ah... should've used the date instead of the name. They meant Pliny the Elder. — LlywelynII 20:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Oman

message: *The section on "China" was recently rewritten and sourced to a book published in the 19th century. Any modern dictionary will tell you that this word is derived from Medieval Persian Chīnī. As a name for the country, it first appears in a 1516 account by Portuguese explorer Duarte Barbosa. Barbosa's account suggests that the word was already familiar as a name for porcelain, presumably because traders referred to this product by the Persian word. 
*On another note, the claim that Marco Polo used "Chin" only to mean the South China Sea is not quite true, although I think it is unlikely that the term "China" originates with Polo. Here is Henry Yule's translation: "You must know the Sea in which lie the Islands of those parts is called the SEA OF CHIN, which is as much as to say 'The Sea over against Manzi.' For, in the language of those Isles, when they say Chin, 'tis Manzi they mean." ("Manzi" was Polo's name for South China.) Kauffner (talk) 06:37, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  China 

message: Can someone provide a reliable source for theses sections?:
* A common Hellenic folk-etymology derives "Persia" from "Land of Perseus". A source for Persia = Land of Perseus.
* I think Uajemi section is WP:OR. Currently has "citation needed" template. --Zyma (talk) 19:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persia and Uajemi (Iran) 

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message: Hello, Wikipedia community & experts:
Would anyone please explain to me HOW COME that (in above-referenced section-under entry of: Austria), it offers the following explanation as per country's etymology: "Eastern March" whereas, Wikitionary offers the explanation of: Eastern Realm, as to the meaning of this country's name...!
I would also like to suggest investigation of the fact that the word: Reich (as in Österreich-the German name of the country of Austria) deriving from &/or being associated with the word: Rich, in German (as in the name of other world countries/areas-such as: Costa Rica=The Rich Coast & Puerto Rico-The Rich Port, in Spanish)-which will only leave the conundrum of what the meaning of the 1st part (Öster) of this country's name is & how it corresponds/relates (in terms of meaning) to the last part...!AK63 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 07:17, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Austria 

message: Hello,
As per my search (&, conforming/in accordance with other country entries), you are missing the Icelandic-language endonym for the name of the country (ˈistlant]-as per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland with the meaning of: the Land of Ice!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AK63 (talk • contribs) 08:17, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iceland 

message: Hello,
Some would argue that the name of the country was given to it by its MOORISH conquerors-as, in Arabic, the word: برتقال=Burtugal means: an orange (possibly denoting/representing to them the vast orange crops in Portugal's orchards?!?). AK63 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 09:04, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portugal 

message: Hello,
the eponymic for the Arab Kingdom of Saudi-Arabia [المملكة العربية السعودية=Al Mamlakah Al Arabiyah  A-SaUdiyyah], or, as more commonlu/populatly known in colloquial terms as: [Saudia=Saudiyah], is missing!AK63 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 09:22, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saudi Arabia 

message: Hello,
The missing part is the Turkish eponymic spelling of the country: Türkiye
AK63 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 09:32, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey 

message: Hello,
The country's eponymic spelling: España [espanya] is missing
AK63 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 09:34, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spain 

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message: I would like to point out that Česko (the Czech name of Czechia) is much more common than described in the article. According to the Czech National Corpus, it is a bit more common than the term ‘Česká republika’.   The Czech Language Institute says it has caught on.  --Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:27, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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message: As the translation of جزر القمر is "Islands of the moon" and not "moons," I suggest changing the first word of the Comoros entry to "Moon." Was the s added as a plural marker when borrowed by French? Additionally, there's an inconsistency between the transcription and script given. Though "islands" can be written in Arabic as either Jazā'ir (جَزَائِر‎) or Juzur (جُزُر‎), the official name of the country in Arabic uses the latter. This part is correctly given in the article, but the transcription is inconsistent: Jazā'ir (جُزُر‎) is given when it should be Juzur (جُزُر‎)
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