Talk:Lloyd Fredendall

message: Not sure if the information is already out there but what is even more interesting is that Lloyd Fredendall was promoted to Lt. General after he came back stateside from North Africa.  Is that how they reward screw-ups?  I think not.  I wonder if maybe Ossad and D’Este didn’t do all their homework before they formed their opinions regarding Fredendall’s suitability for command.   Tomcat1949 (talk) 04:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your speculation is based on wholesale assumptions learned in present-day civilian society, not on a historical analysis of the facts concerning U.S. Army high command promotion policies during World War II.  This was a time when corps-level and higher officers all remembered their mutual years of service since WWI during the lean years of peacetime posts and assignments with only rare promotions.  Unless formally relieved of command and demoted in grade, Fredendall was still eligible for advancement in rank upon his next assignment.  Since Eisenhower camouflaged the relief as a replacement as well as a reassignment, and did not communicate a desire to either President Roosevelt (who was given a report on Fredendall by Eisenhower's aide) or to General Marshall (who personally liked Fredendall) that Fredendall's career be terminated, he was duly given a training assignment in line with Eisenhower's formal advice to do so, and advanced in rank in conformance with the expected rank of a senior general appointed to command an Army (Second Army, with a capital 'A').  Most historians believe that Eisenhower's later actions with Patton and other subordinates strongly indicate that he realized he had made a mistake in allowing Fredendall to escape punishment and demotion. LKH (talk) 17:09, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they did their homework.  They are not the only ones of this opinion, Blumenson was one.  He was apparently a good trainer, perhaps they still wanted to utilize those skills, but that's speculation. (John User:Jwy talk) 06:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gotta Wonder

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message: During World War II, General Harmon served as Commanding General of the 1st Armored Division in Tunisia and Italy. After the capture of Rome, he returned to the United States as a corps commander. He returned to command the 2nd Armored Division in 1944 before being named XXII Corps Commander. 
In regards to Fredendall gaining great responsibility in the army, you have to understand promotions were by seniority up until this point.  Patton was a Colonel commanding a Brigade in 1940 after 31 years in uniform.  Ike (and George Marshall in particular) was credited with being ruthless and quick about weeding out the incompetent leaders.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave1y (talk • contribs) 18:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually it was the whole Fredendall episode that probably *made* Ike ruthless about removing poor commanders. Reading some of his communications during and after this, one gets the sense he felt he acted much too slowly before relieving Fredendall. He didn't make that mistake many more times. In fact, Gavin was critical, later in the war, of how SHAEF tended to act too quickly to relieve underperforming commanders. DMorpheus (talk) 18:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harmon 

message: mainly because I sometimes heard my father say " The Rosbifs ( = the  Brittons ) and we Free French took some bashes into our faces at  Sidi Bouzid and Kasserine  , but the GIs , poor lads , what a downing did they get !..." . I should like we could say we have an article as strong as this one ( we call that  "une volée de bois vert" = a battering with green saps ) about our Général Maurice Gamelin ! ( our chief officer , who , with the help of communist saboteurs , has been responsible for our rout in 40 ...). However , LF  must have had some qualities whatever , but ... Personnally  I should like to know : what was he doing in Philippines in 36-38 : was he a colonel ? ;  and the 57° Régiment : were they Marines ? As for his titles after he was sent back to the US : " General Officer Commander in Chief" : what could  that amount to in Europe ,  three-stars general , or even Marshall ? No so high , I hope ...Here , we just now have a fine TV docu. : "The War" by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick  , in which you can see veterans of Tunisia Campaign ( who even were after that in Italy or in the Ardennes !...) saying they remember  that LF was very glad about his dug-out  " because radio reception was so much better than in the open ..." . Anyway I notice that it took a full month for Ike to   react  and weed LF away ...Bye-bye , thanks to the author(s) , and for the answers ... signé Arapaima,a french user --91.172.235.51 (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I remember it, he was promoted to 3 stars (Lt. Gen.) after Kasserine and sent back to the states.  No further promotions. Check out the recent book "An Army at Dawn" if its available to you (I'm not sure if it was translated, it won the American pulitzer prize, so it might well have).  Very American-centric, but Fredendal is featured.  (John User:Jwy talk) 21:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just watched Ken Burns' The War the other day. Where the accounts said that Fredendall stayed in his well-fortified CP "for better communication". For that and the fact that he almost never went up to the front, accounts referred to him as a coward. MuZemike 22:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot for your answers, JWY ,MuZemike, & W.B. Wilson (cf answer on your DP, WBW) .T.y. Arapaima (talk) 09:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
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