Talk:The Satan Pit

message: Have a butcher's at this. 
This suggests to me that The Satan Pit, as a title, refers to both episodes together. Anyone else agree? NP Chilla 13:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest that the production team is referring to both episodes as "The Satan Pit", and by the time the episodes air they'll have individual titles.  I get the impression that the Series One two-parters were referred to as "Aliens of London", "The Empty Child" and "The Parting of the Ways" during production — at Gallifrey last week, Noel Clarke had to be prompted before remembering the name "World War Three", and tended to refer to the entire Slitheen story as "Aliens of London". —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. I didn't know that. Thanks. NP Chilla 20:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Satan Pit Part One and Two?

message: I don't know about anything else, but I think I know what "The Beast" is. Remember "Pyramids of Mars"? With Suteck? Remember he freed "the beast" and The Forth Doctor sealed the beast in a time tunnel? I thing the trapdoor is the time tunnel and the "the beast" in both programs are the same. Sadly, I never saw the episode of "Pyramids of Mars" and cannot find out more. <Darkwarlock999>
:On a similar note, I have uploaded this image of "The Beast", but I'm not sure if we should change the image for this episode to this or whether (considering it hasn't yet been revealed if this truly is The Beast yet) we should keep the current one. What do people think? The_B 16:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Beast

message: It says Chris Evans is going to play the devil, but does it mean Chris Evans (actor) whose quite fit, and american, or Chris Evans (broadcaster) who isn't fit, and used to be married to Billie Piper? horseboy 19:43, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The broadcaster (Piper's ex) is the one the rumors are about, but it's important to note that that's all they are at this point. The link's been disambiguated now. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris Evans 

message: Is this the first time Rose has killed someone? I can't recall any other occasions. --Billpg 22:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're right. Daibhid C 22:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though it's debatable whether she actually killed the Beast. She probably intended to, but the Beast was earlier shown to survive the vacuum of space quite comfortably, and could have survived the black hole (although the latter was sort of intended to kill him quite dead). (Then there was the whole separated body/mind thing going on, but let's ignore that—and whether the Beast's human host was still alive is anyone's guess as well.) 82.92.119.11 22:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: how bout when she killed the nestine? or, oh, i don't know the entire dalek race?--71.247.246.130 04:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rose killing the Beast is probably non-controversial and non-notable.  On the other hand, Rose killing Toby is rather more thought-provoking, as he technically was innocent, making this the first time Rose has killed a non-hostile, as well as the first time Rose has killed another human being. RobbieG 08:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.  Bit difficult to kill the Beast without killing Toby, the human it had possessed.  However, I wondered why she killed him by bursting the glass, and endangering the entire crew, rather than just shooting Toby with the bolt gun - though perhaps the production team decided that having Rose directly shoot Toby with a gun *would* be more controversial than creating a fatal "accident" and conveniently having the ship equipped with a forcefield to save the air for the rest of them... PaulHammond 15:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably if Rose had shot Toby the Beast's soul would've just moved into someone else. Not even intelligence can escape the black hole. Vitriol 16:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Apart from the un-show-ability of showing a human shooting a human in the programme (they'd never be allowed), shooting someone doesn't guarantee killing them. Plus, as said, the intelligence could move on. And what force field? They had emergency shutter screens, made of metal, that came down in case of decompression, as has been shown used on other ships and stations when the windows are endangered. Skittle 22:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rose the killer 

message: :The 'bolt gun' weilded by the captain, and later fired by Rose, is similar in appearance to the Bolt Gun, specifically the Bolt Pistol, used by the Space Marines of Warhammer 40,000 (close to the year 43,000 the episode is set in).
Yeah... a bit tenuous I think. The bolt pistols/guns in both cases look an awful lot like a real-world bolt gun, which is probably where the image comes from. Also, audio commentary say 43rd Century, not 43rd millenium. The Warhammer figurines seem to share an industrial/gritty design theme, somewhat like this episode, but that is hardly unique.
That and I can really not see Doctor Who designers referencing Warhammer deliberately, and coincidences don't really merit inclusion.81.77.11.2 23:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I generally think that, no, it was not intended to be a similar sort of weapon as the bolt pistols used by Space Marines in Warhammer 40,000. The device known as a "bolt gun" appears more to be a tool, the purose of which is similar to a hammer and a nail or a "nail-gun", possibly designed to help bolt metal plates together in the event of any damage to the station. The fact that it is employed as a weapon in the episode is no less credible than using a power-drill to inflice death/pain/general discomfort upon another person and/or organic being. James Random 13:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: (Former) Note 15

message: Haven't added this as a note, but it sort of jumped out at me as a possible goof. So, the Doctor's legging it at the end of the episode, and stumbles across the TARDIS. The Doctor was still in the pit at the time, but how could the TARDIS have fallen into the pit, since the seal didn't open until the Doctor and Ida investigated it, after the TARDIS fell into the chasm? - Chris McFeely 23:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By science? Vitriol 23:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the writers did it, yes, you heard me.. the writers--71.247.246.130 02:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Gravity! --70.22.3.233 04:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A wizard did it. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 09:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the planet was being affected by the black hole's gravity, so tidal forces may have opened up cracks in the crust the TARDIS could fall through :) 84.68.216.98 11:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My working theory is that the writers themselves were being affected by the black hole's gravity--71.247.246.130 20:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Also very possible is that the TARDIS H.A.D.S. activated and it simply moved itself down there waiting for the Doctor to find it.  Let's not forget the TARDIS exists across all time and space and would surely know exactly where to turn up to save the Doctor.  Wtbe7560 (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  How's the TARDIS get there? 

message: Walked loudly into the brave open door while courageously traversing the ominous void of the long mysterious corridor, loudly approaching the blatent overuse of adjectives in plot summaries--71.247.246.130 02:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The bright green Ood... 

message: Ok, so from part I, we've established that the planet itself is roughly circular, with a radius of 10 miles, and a diameter of 20 miles.  We've also established that the shaft goes right to the center of the planet, right to the power source, 10 miles down, 10 miles of cable.. yet somehow the pit is over 10 miles deep, from the center of the planet.. that means, from the base to the pit has to be over 20 miles.  A nice trick for a 20 mile wide planet, the pit is deeper than the planet is wide.... hmmm--71.247.246.130 05:10, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the planet is bigger on the inside than the outside? Now where have I heard that before... :-) --DudeGalea 06:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hmmm... 

message: ...meaning that Scooti, Toby, and the crew of that rocket should all have exploded, air or no air, right? RobbieG 09:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, although they might have swollen, they wouldn't have exploded; the difference between the pressure in the interior of the ship and the pressure of space is only one atmosphere, while the human body can withstand a pressure change of up to 8 atmospheres. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 09:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not in space anyway, they're flying through the accretion disk of a small/medium sized blackhole, plenty of gas and dust flying around at relativistic velocities.  The screen on the rocket was reading external preasure, but no units given, so I don't have the slightest notion of how much 66.5 [no units] is supposed to be, but it could easily be quite a bit, if for instance it was reading atm the preasure should probably have crushed them, of course if it was reading 66.5 mm of Hg, it would be near vacuum or around .0875 atm. Of course it's the future, for all I know they measure pressure in Oods feet per cubic meter, or whatever--71.247.246.130 21:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Anyway, explosion is a myth (e.g. Outland was wrong), and people can actually survive in vacuum for brief periods. There should have been a more obvious wind, though, and arguably they couldn't hear Zachary. Ida could have had brain damage from extended hypoxia, though. see--Dhartung | Talk 15:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In space there is no pressure... 

message: ...it lied--71.247.107.146 15:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, it told the truth. Officially, she did die. The Doctor explains it at the end of Doomsday -- MisterHand 15:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, come on.  What is this if not speculation?  I could argue equally (in fact it didn't occur to me that the situation could be otherwise!) that there's no evidence that the Beast is able to see the future.  In fact, I think it can just read minds and made up that stuff about Rose dying to invoke feelings of despair in the Doctor. RobbieG 21:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The verdict's still open, anyway. Rose didn't die in battle yet, but the prediction can't be conclusively ruled out until she dies of something else. --Paul A 02:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ...and the verdict is... 

message: Does anyone know anything about the female crewmember who gets killed by the Ood at the start of this episode? Like the guy who was standing next to Danny at the end of The Impossible Planet, she seems to only be there to die. I don't remember seeing either of them after the decompression alert when Jefferson announced that "we're all here" to Zach in the control room. Were they supposed to appear in the background but got cut? The Impossible Planet has to be the tightest-packed episode so far, so I wouldn't be surprised if a few things didn't make the cut.
They should have been wearing red shirts ;) David 19:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's that girl? 

message: Does anyone else see (possibly coincidental) similarities between both The Impossible Plannet & The Satan Pit and the old Dungeons & Dragons module H2 Mines of the Bloodstone? Can anyone speculate on the likelyhood of this being a purpusful homage on the part of the writers? Azezel 23:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems unlikely to me, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.  However, we shouldn't mention it in the article unless we have a confirmation from the writer, or at least a comparison in a reliable source such as a newspaper review of the episode. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I did not alter the article yet. I tried to email the programme staff via the BBC website, but they seem to be having tech problems. I will try again in a few days. Azezel 14:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An e-mail from the guys that run the site isn't really a good enough source, though, since they're not the writer of the story; and I doubt they'll give you anything that confirms this one way or another. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dungeons & Dragons 

message: Are we going to list all the games/films/programmes/books/Bible passages/religious texts/legends/myths/short stories/songs where people become possessed by the devil?  OK, plot may seem similar, but how many possible devil-possesses-you plots can there be?  All the devices have been used before.  The devil always inhabits the underworld (read middle of planet), tries to posess people, gives them supernatural abilities, tries to take over more, gets cast back into hell....  The reason these episodes were so scary is that they captured all the stories, fears and beliefs people have had for thousands of years.  The writers/creators didn't need to look to Doom (etc) for inspiration!  Gwinva 07:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Doom comparison etc

message: How exactly did the beast know that Ida was running away from her father, the Doctor was the last of his race, The officer could not bare the thoughts of his wife etc etc... Its never explained, well atleast i dont think it is, 31 May 2007
:Telepathy. In a universe where a piece of paper can be psychic, I see nothing outlandish with the devil himself being able to read minds. --Infophile (Talk) (Contribs) 13:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How exactly did it know? 

message: I wonder if this is the race the Guardians are from... The beast if it wasn't lying, seems to do what the Black Guardian does, influence minds to tasks.
76.66.195.159 (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guardians 

message: Since a few episodes i've been thinking, has anyone else noticed the over use of the number 6? Examples are the season 2 finale where the void is named hell and the doctor tell rose to set the settings to 6. The planet of the ood where the containers kinda look like fused 6's, the episode midnight where it takes 6 seconds for the shielding to fade, and the kid saying 666. Might be a coincidence and i might have some facts/names wrong but i keep noticing the number 6 throughout the series and think the "intelligence" might come back since they use stuff like that alot E.G. bad wolf, the bee's, disappearing planets. -Ixillius  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.208.101.171 (talk) 15:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The return of satan? 

message: Is it worth noting that Satan was featured on The Colbert Report last Monday?--DrWho42 (talk) 21:51, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's this part at 2:52-3:03 on the September 20, 2010 episode.--DrWho42 (talk) 17:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[The Colbert Report]]'' cameo 

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