Talk:Ulster

message: In the Donegal Gaeltacht, Northern Ireland is referred to as "Na Se Condaetha". Not "An Tuaisceart", as the North is obviously not to their north, but their south and east. Why remove the translation?
:Well, personally I'm in favour of as much Irish as possible here, but this is the English Wikipedia, so I was just worried that having more than the county names in Irish would lead someone to complain and insist on ALL the Irish names being removed. I didn't see the State names as being particularly necessary - but with the Donegal thing, I guess there is point. It's easy to forget Gaeltachts or genuine Irish speakers exist in this country!!!
:Note that the Republic of Ireland is NOT "Saorstát Éireann" - that hasn't been used since 1937. It's "Éire" or "Poblacht na hÉireann". zoney ♣ talk 16:17, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Older comments

message: A few new things here, have changed "Anglican" to "Protestant" in discusion of sectarian violence in the 1790s. Presbyterians were also involved in these clashes, especially in Armagh and Tyrone. Presbyterians were generally the poorer of the two Protestant groups and were therefore in more direct competition with Catholics over the linen trade. Lapsed Pacifist, please don't change this back again. Thanks. Have also added subsections and a few other bits and pieces Jdorney 15:12, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: I'm unhappy with this sentence, it just doesn't make too much sense.
"English is spoken by virtually everyone in Ulster, apart from a few immigrants living in the province, and a handful of monoglots in the Donegal Gaeltacht." It's the bit about monoglots, which in the context makes no sense because the majority of people in Northern Ireland and indeed Ulster are monoglots only speaking English. They are as much monoglots as in Donegal Gaeltacht. Ben W Bell 10:22, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Lapsed, that's definitely better wording. Couldn't think how to rephrase it myself. Ben W Bell 10:40, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monoglots 

message: * BBC Nations History of Ireland
* The British Isles Independent view of Ireland and the UK
*  Inconvenient Peripheries Ethnic Identity and the United Kingdom Estate The cases of “Protestant Ulster” and Cornwall’ by prof Philip Payton
* Mercator Atlas of Europe Map of Ireland ("Irlandia") circa 1564
Just added the following Bretagne 44 13:54, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?
see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics_to_Category:Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_at_the_Olympics
--Mais oui! 22:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The correct name is Team Great Britain. They do not use the United Kingdom wording in their logo. Perhaps this is to reflect that athletes in NI can represent either team Ireland or team GB. --  RÓNÁN   "Caint / Talk"  22:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the correct name of the UK's Olympic team? 

message: Can I ask how certain you are that the closed thumb flag is the correct one? I ask as even the Gaelic Athletic Association uses the open thumbed one and I'd have thought they'd be correct. Ben W Bell talk 12:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ulster Flag 

message: Seeing as this article deals with Ulster in the sense of a traditional Irish provence, should the traditional name "Derry" not be used? 
I'm fighting the temptation to change it myself. "Londonderry (Doire)" is inaccurate. Doire is the irish version of "Derry" alone, without the "London" prefix. Using both terms is a contradiction. - EmpComm 21:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are talking about the county then there is no traditional name of Derry. There has never been a County Derry as County Londonderry was formed from County Coleraine and bits of other counties. Ben W Bell talk 22:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: When I inserted a more literal irish version of the name in County Londonderry their was a bit of a hissy-fit over it. Djegan 00:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  London/Derry 

message: This section primarily discusses the three Ulster counties in the Republic of Ireland. For current politics in Northern Ireland refer to Demographics and politics of Northern Ireland.
I'm confused by this section and its heading. For some reason the heading says it relates to the politics of the 3 counties in the Republic. This seems strange in an article about the whole of Ulster but actually the article talks about politics in Northern Ireland as well. I'm not sure what it adds as quite a lot is unsourced. Morganr 13:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current politics

message: The article states: "..Giant's Causeway, one of Ireland's three UNESCO World Heritage Sites.". Except it is not in Ireland it is in the United Kingdom. Ireland is what the Republic calls itself and the Republic is not (currently) in the UK. YourPTR! 01:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except it is one of the three in the island of Ireland. Ben W Bell talk 07:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The offical UNESCO website doesnt actually list it in Ireland, instead it properly lists it under United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It would be better so say: ..Giant's Causeway, one of the UK's twenty-eight UNESCO World Heritage Sites.
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/
(Alanewing1 (talk) 16:13, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how that's better. It merely diminishes the Giant's Causeway. The article makes clear that it's one of the three in Ireland (the island). ~Asarlaí 16:25, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the original was better. This article is about Ulster, which spans 2 countries. As a result the article is discussed in relation to Ireland (island) as a whole. Best to keep that consistent in the article rather than start breaking it up into the constituent states on an ad hoc basis. The main article itself makes it clearer that it's in the UK, doesn't need to be explicitly stated here. Canterbury Tail talk 17:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giant's Causeway 

message: This section could do with a good rewrite.  At present, it starts with the arbitrary claim that it will only discuss the politics of Donegal/Cavan/Monaghan (which it clearly should not do - I plan to delete that!) and then sort of generally waffles about it a load of opinion and original research.  Can someone attempt a rewrite please.  Feel free to delete and replace.  --Red King 19:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I decided to Be brave and have a go!  I'm sure it won't please everybody but I hope that it provides a better basis for editing than what went before.  --Red King 19:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section "Current politics" 

message: I had to make an edit changing 'Counties Derry...' to 'Counties Londonderry...'. When are people ever going to learn to grow and stop making immature edits which devalue Wikipedia!
Wikipedia policy is call the county Londonderry and the city Derry. A semi-respectable compromise that is being ruined by those with an Irish-unifying agenda.
AlexSloan 15:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that the compromise should stay and not be vandalised, however please remove bias and respect that this vandalism is occuring on both sides and not just by "those with an Irish-unifying agenda". --  RÓNÁN   "Caint / Talk"  22:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is where Wikipedia fails as a serious and respectful encyclopedia - the failure to adhere to the legal names for cities. Just like Gdansk versus Danzig. It is the City of Londonderry, it is County Londonderry, the only semi-legit use of the term Derry is in Derry City Countil. And seeing as the Irish burnt down the original Derry in 1641 and the English established a brand new settlement on the other side of the Foyle which they named Londonderry - Irish nationalists and republicans have no cause for arguement for the Derry they refer to they themselves destroyed. Mabuska (talk) 18:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm inclined to agree that it is a failing. Factual accuracy has been compromised for the sake of cordial relations amongst editors. That said, you'll have a tough time if you seek to overturn the existing consensus. --Breadandcheese (talk) 21:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

text:  Couple of points to Mabuska:Mabuska, acorn 897 and breadcheese. In my Irish opinion,where Wikipedia fails is when people ignore other perspectives. Legally in the Republic of Ireland, Derry is called Derry, please dont discount our opinion. Wikipedia if it is to be a tool for civilisations (not just Unionists) must be able to see other opinions. As for Derry coming into exisitence only after its charter  this is inaacurrate it existed prior to its commercial conquering by the London trading org, Cork for instance recieved a charter over 800 years ago but existed prior to that. Are you trying to state that history only begins once a city is imperialy occupied? Derry from Irish meaning place of Oaks is a beautiful preplantation name; adding Latin Walled city detracts astetically. User Alexsloans comments above "When are people ever going to learn to grow and stop making immature edits which devalue Wikipedia!" reminds me of the comment in Gladiator at the start of the movie "When will people realise they are conquered"! This is not a matter of "Irish Unifying" commenters it is factual representation of what Irish users call it. Please be more respectful of opinion  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.113.10 (talk) 23:26, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect use of Derry/Londonderry 

message: "This movement also saw the setting up of the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), the first Irish paramilitary group, in order to resist British attempts to enforce Home Rule. In response, Irish nationalists created the Irish Volunteers—forerunners of the Irish Republican Army (IRA)—to ensure the passing of the Home Rule Act 1914."
Occurs to me - i dont know if i am mistaken - but i was always told that the IRB was the 'first paramilitary organisation'  - i dont know if this is just my background of education - but i guess it worries me even that i think the IRB was the first Paramilitaries - what is a Paramilitary organisation etc - like if the UVF were but the IRB werent then what were the united irish men or the young irish etc?  Kindof makes me feel that the paramilitary title is only given cause they are modern.  armalite = paramilitary.  Pike = rebel/loyal to the crown etc.
--82.3.69.215 (talk) 00:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. The Fenian rebellion was 1867 - somewhat earlier than 1913! Mooretwin (talk) 07:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick thought - UVF first Paramilitary organisation?? 

message: Following sentences really only has one thought in it as far as i can see...(and most of that thought only has passing interest to Ulster.)
The Republic's parties have long ceased to base their selection of candidates purely on any religious criteria. For most of the twentieth century they chose at least one candidate from a Protestant background to attract the Protestant vote, but the disappearance of a block Protestant vote (except in County Donegal) voting exclusively for a candidate on the basis of religion (with Protestant voters instead voting primarily for local candidates irrespective of religion) means that selection now depends largely on considerations of geography when electing TDs to Dáil Éireann under its Proportional Representation system. Again, County Donegal differs here in that a Protestant "block vote" continues, especially in the east of the county.
I Propose - drop most of history of block vote in ireland as whole (or link elsewhere) and concentrate on donegal.
--82.3.69.215 (talk) 00:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit needed desperately  - from the Current politics section 

message: I have added the key-word Divided Province to this article showing that half of Ulster is in Ireland and half in the UK Mr Taz (talk) 18:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure the divided keyword is needed, as the sentence goes on to explain this fact. Canterbury Tail talk 18:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Adding "divided" is simply pointless, and could be seen as inflammatory. That is why it is unhelpful. The sentence already explains perfectly clearly that 6 counties are in the Republic and 3 in Northern Ireland. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 18:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  :-)))) Well said, Snalwibma. Dunlavin Green (talk) 18:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Divided Province  

message: "Across the nine counties, according to the aggregate UK 2001 Census and Irish 2002 Census, there is a very slim Catholic plurality over Protestant (49% against 48%), but not an overall majority (people of "no religion" or those "not stating" religion making up the balance[dubious – discuss])."
Really? Nobody's Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan, Jedi?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 20:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 49 + 48 = 97, so presumably 3% "other"? Ausseagull (talk) 16:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, my bad! I have added "neither religion". best, Sunil060902 (talk) 01:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious religious data 

message: I removed the new demographics map that was added, not because there is an issue with the map itself, but because it isn't clearly labelled and described. It's not clear from the caption which way the colours refer, Catholic% or Protestant%. Also describing the colours for each percentage isn't very clear, not everyone can make those colour distinctions. Would be better if it had an actual colour box key rather than a Dark Orange etc. Some people are colourblind, some just can't make out what is being referred to by each colour description. Feel free to re-add with an improved caption. I would have done it myself, but as I said it's not clear which is which, though I could take a guess. 
It's a great map, well done, just needs to be clearer in it's description is the only reason I removed it. Canterbury Tail talk 12:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Demographics Map 

message: What was incorrect with my edits of this Sectarian and biased section? The current body of writing is tantamount to Historical revisionism (negationism). I hope the delusional peoples who continue to distort facts to be in line with their own political agendas acquaint themselves with some of the unbiased references I added to the section. Perhaps even reading the dedicated Plantation of Ulster page might help.
15:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Plantation of Ulster

message: I see that someone has been changing the name of the county in this article from Londonderry to Derry. I personally couldn't care tuppence what name people use, and consider arguments about the subject to be childish in the extreme, but my understanding was that a consensus had been reached somewhere to use "Derry" for the city and "Londonderry" for the county. I'm not going to get into a revert war over a playground fight, so I'll leave it to others watching this article to sort things out. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, you are correct but one thing I've noticed is that the Irish name for it has been set a Doire (irish for derry) while surely it should be Londaindoire. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In Irish, the city's name is Doire or Cathair Dhoire and the county's name is Contae Dhoire. Londaindoire may be a more direct translation of Londonderry, but it's just not used by Irish speakers. ~Asarlaí 01:43, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Londonderry vs. Derry 

message: There's very little on the early history of Ulster, in comparison to history from c.1600 onward (very well done, I might add). I'll list a few pointers:
1 - No distinction is drawn between the original kingdom of Ulster (Ulaid, which compromised Antrim, Down, Armagh, along with parts of Coleraine and Magherafelt in Londonderry) and the rest of the province. How its name came to be applied to all of the north (see John de Courcy needs to be explained. 
2 - Ditto on the Airgíalla and In Tuisceairt (later called Aileach), to name the other two main overkingdoms in the middle and west. 
3 - A brief mention of who were the Ulaid, and their political/ethnic divisions, with regard to Dál Riata.
4 - Late pagan/early christian era. 
5 - Rise of the Uí Néill in the west and south-west. 
6 - High Kings of the north, division of Aileach into Tír Eóghain and Tír Chonaill
7 - Fall of the kingdom of Ulaid to John de Courcy) and the Anglo-Irish colony. 
8 - Gaelic-Irish reconquest of what was by then called east Ulster. 
9 - There are excellent maps showing the extent of kingdoms such as Tyrconnell and Thomond. Same could be made for at least the main Ulster kingdoms. 
I realise some of these really need their own articles, but some pointers in the main article would suffice. The rest of it up to the present day is worthy of FA status. Fergananim (talk) 05:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Kingdoms of Ulster

message: Despite what seems like a reasonable consensus against stating that calling Northern Ireland 'Ulster' is incorrect, the present form of the article seems to do so by implication. Moreover, to exclude the issue from the lead - when the division between the  Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland is mentioned, seems ludicrous: whether agreed with or not, the Northern Ireland meaning of Ulster is quite probably predominant. --Breadandcheese (talk) 16:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as the use of "Ireland" by the Republic of Ireland is insulting to those living on the island of Ireland that aren't part of that state? JonChappleTalk 17:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Only an insult Jon if you are one of those ultra-nationalist freaks.Sheodred (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. I can't see many reasonable people getting offended by either issue. JonCTalk 22:27, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ulster/NI 

message: I am unaware of anywhere else on Wikipedia where any other data from the UK census is reported as a "claim, be it age, gender, religion and so on. Thus I see absolutely no reason why "claimed" should apply to whether people speak Irish or not. If a reliable secondary source has cast doubt on whether people were honest in relation to this there may be a case for further discussion, but right now it seems clear cut to me? O Fenian (talk) 21:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of "claimed" in relation to people speaking Irish

message: Shouldn't Ulster be described as a "former" or "historic" province?  The current wording is in the present tense, which seems confusing.  A province is "a territorial unit, almost always an administrative division, within a country or state".  None of the four traditional "provinces" of Ireland are administrative units, and have not been since the Norman Conquest!  It's akin to insisting on referring to Wessex and Mercia in England.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gymnophoria (talk • contribs) 10:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The provinces are still used in sporting contexts. --Red King (talk) 18:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

text: How can it be "officially" a former province if it has never been abolished? ~Asarlaí 07:46, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nonsense. Ulster is very much alive and well across all Irish cultural and sporting organisations. This doesn't suit British nationalists so they're trying to change the definition. A simple Google search will show Ulster being used by the GAA (far and away the most important and popular organisation - sporting or otherwise - on this island), rugby, music and much else. 86.41.15.114 (talk) 18:19, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't it a Former Province? 

message: County                                   	Area
County Antrim (Aontroim)                 	2,844 square kilometres (1,098 sq mi)
County Armagh (Ard Mhacha)               	1,254 square kilometres (484 sq mi)
County Cavan (an Cabhán)                 		1,831 square kilometres (707 sq mi)
County Donegal (Dún na nGall/Tír Conaill)	4,841 square kilometres (1,869 sq mi)
County Down (an Dún)                     	2,448 square kilometres (945 sq mi)
County Fermanagh (Fear Manach)           	1,691 square kilometres (653 sq mi)
County Londonderry (Doire)               	2,074 square kilometres (801 sq mi)
County Monaghan (Muineachán)             	1,294 square kilometres (500 sq mi)
County Tyrone (Tír Eoghain)              	3,155 square kilometres (1,218 sq mi)
Total                                    	21,432 square kilometres (8275 sq mi)
As you can see, the total here is significantly less than the 24,481 square kilometres (9,452 sq mi) quoted on the main page - and repeated across the internet.
Can anyone provide an explanation? 
Is Lough Neagh not included in the county areas? Even so, at 392 km² this does not explain the discrepancy of 3,000 km² (approx).  
Jynxboy (talk) 12:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious Geography - the numbers don't add up 

message: We don't use the full name of the United Kingdom in other articles, so why should we use it in the "Ulster" article? 
It makes it look bad.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabav12 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the rest of the island is named "Ireland".  See Belfast Agreement. --Red King (talk) 14:11, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" 

message: As per this, the locator map ought to be replaced with an SVG file.  I did this earlier, but the file was deemed to be too similar to the existing map in the article, and too different from the maps used on the other three province articles.  I'm happy to create four variations based on this one with a similar colour scheme.  NikNaks talk - gallery 17:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ireland trad counties named.svg is too inaccurate. I think it'd be better to make four variations based on this one or simply to convert the existing ones to SVG (if that's possible). ~Asarlaí 17:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent!  I'll update the ones I just created.  NikNaks talk - gallery 17:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Should the dotted lines in Northern Ireland be kept?  NikNaks talk - gallery 17:59, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think all the dotted lines should be removed for these maps (those in NI and the ROI). They denote modern administrativ divisions. The provinces, on the other hand, arn't used for administration and ar what would be called "traditional" or even "historic" divisions. ~Asarlaí 18:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locator Map 

message: *Someone asked for assistance on the third opinion noticeboard, but it wasn't specified which section contains the dispute. Would someone go back and direct to the correct discussion, please? Erpert blah, blah, blah... 19:30, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've puzzled that out and the last discussion above is the one (and I've made this section a subsection of that discussion). Unfortunately Third Opinion, like all other moderated dispute resolution processes here, requires thorough talk page discussion before seeking assistance and your request for a 3O has been removed due to the lack of any such discussion. Once the matter has been thoroughly discussed here, feel free to refile at 3O or use some other DR process if you cannot come to consensus. If either party will not discuss — though I see no sign of that yet here — consider the recommendations which I make here. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 13:34, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: @User talk:TransporterMan - Is the above enough talk to warrant 3P input? I think we'd talked it to the point of alleged personal slights and the like and me being asked to withdraw remarks and things like that. Predictably, I don't think we were making any progress nor that any more discussion between me an the other editor who came along and deleted the section woud help. Predictably too, not many editors are getting involved as it's a minority interest article. Frenchmalawi (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I know you asked TransporterMan, not me, but the answer is no. If you refuse to discuss the issue with me you are not entitled to a third opinion. I have made valid arguments that you still have not addressed.  Scolaire (talk) 09:15, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If its any help I'm with Scolaire, reference is simply not good enough ----Snowded TALK 09:34, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

text: At any rate, Snowded has now offered a third opinion, so that's that.  Scolaire (talk) 15:26, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Snowded was telling me he has had meetings with Editors outside of Wikipedia in a few different countries. It's off the topic of our discussion but I'm trying to learn more about Wikipedia and how to be a more successful editor. Have you ever met Snowded in person? I'd like to join a gang but amn't sure how it works. Any tips? Frenchmalawi (talk) 02:19, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion question 

message: For those unaware, there is an seperate Wikipedia article that deals with this name issue in detail: Alternative names for Northern Ireland. AlwynJPie (talk) 11:10, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Seperate Article 

message: Substituted at 09:29, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I changed references to ROI back to IRL but the change was reverted. The only explanation given was that it was "confusing". The only confusing thing is for the readers, who will be left thinking that ROI or Republic of Ireland is the name of the state in question. We all know its name is Ireland and its ISO code is IRL. This should be used here too. Frenchmalawi (talk) 17:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a bit esoteric for my taste. The state's called Ireland because it's irredentist and seeks to control the whole island. Specifying the Republic avoids confusion with the part of Ireland that's not in what you call Ireland. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:IMOS when both Ireland (state) and Ireland (island) or Northern Ireland are being discussed then Ireland (state) should be referred to by its description Republic of Ireland to avoid confusion. Canterbury Tail talk 16:41, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: IRL should be used, not ROI

message: What does to shire mean in the current article? 
Wiktionary offers just a generic explanation, but I sense there was some deeper historical meaning in this case.  « Saper // @talk »  10:24, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Shired as in divided up into counties, the same way as England and Scotland. Mabuska (talk) 10:58, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''to shire''' as a verb 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm concerned that the use of Londonderry and Derry interchangeably could be confusing to outsiders to this topic and could make them think they are two different places. I propose that we should just use one or the other to avoid confusion. (I think, from what I know from this topic that as a city in Northern Ireland it is referred to as Londonderry, but as a city on the island of Ireland it is referred to as Derry. So really, similar to Gdansk and Danzig, as well as every other case I have heard its name comes from whichever country it is inside of. But, the wiki page for this place is called Derry, so I don't know, either way this doesn't nullify my argument.) AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 21:15, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:IMOS it's Derry for the city and Londonderry for county. Nothing needs changed unless usage is against that guideline. To clarify though, Londonderry is the de facto and de jure name of the city and county according to its sovereign state, the UK. What a foreign country that has a history of anti-Britishness calls it should have little bearing. Mabuska (talk) 23:53, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  ::To correct Mabuska's mistake, the de jure name of the city is Derry, as voted upon by it's citizens. What a Loyalist from the elsewhere of life has to say on the matter has obviously little bearing.Hibarnacle (talk) 20:18, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Who's the loyalist? I don't see one in the discussion. De jure means by legal right. Seeing as the UK courts have repeatedly stated that the name is Londonderry and can only be changed by Royal prerogative, the city's name is legally Londonderry. What a council names itself is entirely up to it and as the courts have stated has no bearing on the official name of places within it. Also I don't ever remembering a plebiscite on the city's name for its citizens to decide what it should be called. Regardless here on Wikipedia we abide by WP:LONDONDERRY. Mabuska (talk) 12:40, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Londonderry/Derry 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The history section is much longer than any of the others, should it have its own article? Stara Marusya (talk) 15:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: Early in the article is a link to the article titled Gaeltacht, plural Gaeltachtaí ... on my browser, only the first of the two (aí) plural letters (to wit, the a and not the í) is made part of the hyperlink, though a review of the source editor doesn't suggest a reason therefor. This makes me think that Wikipedia's rendering engine isn't prepared to handle the unusual pluralization of the language; but I really don't know what's going on. Al Begamut (talk) 03:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay I've fixed it by bringing the last two characters inside the link. It's not a case of the software not handling plurals, it's a case of it was written with the last two letters outside of the link and for some reason the software has issues with auto linking accented characters. Something to do with ASCII sets I'm sure. Canterbury Tail talk 11:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks much. Your comment "for some reason the software has issues with auto linking accented characters" is basically what I meant to convey as my suspected reason; I'm glad you were able to resolve it for this article. Cheers! Al Begamut (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible rendering bug