Talk:Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad

message: Doesn't this seem like a pro-BJP, pro-RSS POV? I'd appreciate it if anyone can write a meaningful article. MikeLynch (talk) 04:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How come ABVP, BJP and vandalism don't occur in same article
Indianelectron (talk) 08:32, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand your question. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: While the ABVP is a Student organisation, there have been criminal acts of violence and extremism from their side for many years - only 2012 has been highlighted. This part of the ABVP has been completed shunned in the article. Moreover, the details added previous details have been removed - they could have been edited instead.
Editing helps improved the articles; however removal of certain details robs the neutral WP user of the facts and truths.
So, please edit for betterment; biased blanket removal goes against the WP spirit of truth Huhshyeh (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  All views to be shown, not just POV

message: , could you please verify the recent additions of  ? Ghatus (talk) 13:23, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, tomorrow. I am kind of tied up today. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 14:39, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have no doubt that there is ample room for improvement, especially with access to more good sources. I will look for them when possible. In the meantime, feel free to make any changes that are warranted. Givemeplease (talk) 14:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear both, the edits are certainly on the right track (why wouldn't they be when excellent sources are being used?). But I think the ideology needs to be explained in a lot more depth. The Vidya Bharati page is a good model of how this page should be eventually. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 11:05, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  All of Sangh Parivar exists for one and only one reason. To spread the RSS ideology to all those people that don't have the energy to go to daily shakhas. (The Vishva Hindu Parishad, on the other hand, outgrew the RSS by becoming a home to Hindu chauvinism. The VHP now calls the shots and the RSS follows.) - Kautilya3 (talk) 11:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

text: , I mean this line for a student union: "Various branches of the ABVP have reportedly been involved in riots against Muslims since 1961". I know about VHP, but this is about ABVP??? Any example??? Isn't it a sweeping statement without backed by any source/example by the author (which riots?). This line indeed is the most grave line in the article.Ghatus (talk) 11:35, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, the sentence says "reportedly" and is supported by a scholarly source. It would of course be useful to know more details but it is always hard to document who participates in communal violence. - Kautilya3 (talk) 15:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

text: Your thanks are due to , who created the content based on the reliable sources I posted a few days earlier. Everybody is welcome to create such well-sourced content. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 20:18, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think ABVP's role during The Emergency should be touched upon.Ghatus (talk) 03:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verifications 

message: ABVP is not smallest students organization. Infaxt it is the largest.. 14.142.118.68 (talk) 16:28, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: - some vandalism before the article was protected - Arjayay (talk) 16:30, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 February 2017 

message: One of the sources removed here is published by Duke University press, and written by scholars of this topic. It meets WP:RS in every sense, and I do not see why it is being repeatedly reverted. Vanamonde (talk) 10:42, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duke University sources 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Would it be more appropriate to sort these by topic (censorship of arts, vandalism, assaults) or by date? I have them currently organised by date but any input would be appreciated. R1988 (talk) 14:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:VALID is relevant here. Giving attention to every single event where they are involved is not useful. Capitals00 (talk) 16:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

text: I have removed the new section title and the description you wrote, when they were already under "activities" with appropriate description. Your edits are not helpful anyway. There are 1000s of incidents of such protests, attacks, where every political party has been involved, for example, Youth Congress has been also involved in many of such activities. Now by making a POV heading and a POV description by treating allegations as convictions and listing minor incidents that were covered for only one day or two by media is a violation of WP:VALID. List before your edits was provided only for giving an idea of the activities, but it doesn't means we have to list all incidents. You should not be treating your edits as the final word. D4iNa4 (talk) 20:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:   WP:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Giving long catalogue of incidents serves no purpose. Wikipedia prefers prose to lists. People should be able to read it with interest and understand something. I don't have an easy solution here. You just need to read all those sources carefully and figure out what is significant and what is not, and construct a narrative. It is also not necessary to label them as "Controversies". They can be discussed under Activities just fine. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:39, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: "Controversies" is a POV title best avoided. The "activities" section should be written in a manner that conveys how reliable sources see these activities, including whether or not they are controversial. If there are specific themes to these activities (I'm sure such can be found) grouping them would make sense, but the categorization has to be based on reliable sources, and even in this case prose is preferable: EG "The ABVP has often carried out activities [of type X]. Examples include [1, 2, 3]." Not the bare lists we have at the moment. Vanamonde (talk) 14:53, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization of section on Controversies  

message: CHANGE X
* 30 December 2014 : PK, the film, was obstructed by ABVP.<ref>
to Y
* 30 December 2014 : PK, the film, was protested by ABVP.<ref>
Two changes
- link would help - additional details are at the article  DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 06:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The remaining part of your request is  Done per your rationale. I also changed the sentence structure from passive voice to active voice per WP:MOS. —KuyaBriBriTalk 18:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018 

message: Since this article gets periodically white-washed by the fans of ABVP, e.g., this edit by  on 30 July 2016, I will endeavour to reinstate the original version of the lead always, unless the changes have been discussed here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead corruptions 

message: On 5 Jan, 2020 the masked people were none other than left students, who attack ABVP activists and other students who want to register themself. 
As a list released by the Delhi Police, 7 out of 9 members were from left wing who attacked students of JNU. Ritik Padha (talk) 20:11, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have reliable sources that say that? Please provide them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violence caused by left wings 

message: Looks like the Students' Federation of India article has a "table of its national office bearers", supported by secondary (independent) sources. I believe we can have a table here as well supported by reliable independent sources ? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure thing! The organisation must def have well documented record.  YoloSCIS (talk) 13:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of leaders 

message: It is written in that "Various Branches of ABVP has involved in Hindu Muslim Riots" which is just an allegation, but it is not made clear that which branch is involved and it is also not mentioned the word 'allegation'.
ABVP's motto is 'Knowledge', 'Character' and 'Unity'.
ABVP is an independent organisation whose main aim is to solve the problems of students and to eradicate the problems related to education and educational institutions.
ABVP is involved in various social work which is not mentioned her.
Main point is, ABVP made it's stand clear that it will stay out of party politics so BJP introduced 'BJP Yuva Morcha'(student wing) 
Therefore BJP Yuva Morcha is the student wing of BJP and not ABVP.
There are so many points where Right wingers hesitated to make their stand but ABVP's stand about particular matter was always on national interest and never hesitated about it.
Next, ABVP is an independent student organisation and not the 'Hindu Nationalist'
It is Indian Nationalism and not Hindu Nationalism.
Countering communism is one of the part of ABVP.
ABVP counters through ideologically and not by attacking physically.
Being a true Congressman, I would like to request you to make the above changes because There should be a healthy competition. 2402:8100:282F:25E8:0:0:0:1 (talk) 11:26, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . The content is reliably sourced. Kautilya3 (talk) 12:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2021