Talk:List of unmade Doctor Who serials and films

message: This article is well-sourced, except for the one statement about why Fry didn't complete his script. This needs a source. 23skidoo 23:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did look for one on the BBC DW & news websites, but couldn't find it.  There was one in List of Doctor Who serials a while back; I'll grovel through the history and see if I can pick it out. Percy Snoodle 11:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, it was on Outpost Gallifrey - that was why I didn't find it.  Added.  The bit about it being lack of time 'for rewriting' comes from the BHOTT ref - should I repeat that reference? Percy Snoodle 11:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably wouldn't hurt, since this is a new article and new articles are getting some pretty heavy scrutiny these days for sources. 23skidoo 14:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, done.  Thanks. Percy Snoodle 15:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephen Fry

message: Should this be under the Fourth Doctor? Percy Snoodle 11:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it shouldn't be under any particular Doctor, given it doesn't really come under any of their 'eras', as such, although of course the Fourth Doctor was supposed to be the focus of the script. Angmering 12:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Although it would have been an alternate universe Fourth Doctor story, it would have been produced long afterwards. If anything it would more correctly be a Seventh Doctor story, much like The Five Doctors is considered a Fifth Doctor story, etc. A case has been made that the non-canonical Dimensions in Time should be considered a Seventh Doctor story because there's some dialogue that suggests all the previous Doctors and companionss shown were actually the Seventh Doctor and Ace under some sort of illusion field or something ... how anyone could make enough sense out of the script to come to that conjecture (or any conjecture) is beyond me. 23skidoo 13:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Dark Dimension 

message: I've been looking at the featured list criteria to get an idea of how this article should be improved.  I think it falls down in two places: "comprehensiveness" and "not overwhelming table of contents".  The BHOTT site lists a huge number of unmade serials that probably don't belong in this article because there's really nothing to say about them; so perhaps we should mark this page as an incomplete list.  The TOC at the moment is huge - so perhaps we should consider a custom TOC restricted to the main headings.  What do people think? Percy Snoodle 14:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that we need criteria, not whimsy, to determine what goes in; if we care about comprehesiveness, we need to be comprehensive within those criteria, or else we would have to include "stories I submitted".  My approach at first was only to list the green- or blue-labelled episodes from BHOTT; others have since listed ones which were novelised or given an article in DWM.  Perhaps we should put "seriously considered" into the lead sentence?  As for the TOC, I think having no TOC would be worse than a long one; but perhaps one like the one on List of Doctor Who serials wpuld be better still.  Sorry to hear about your woes with the FA process.  Percy Snoodle 17:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought about that chart, too, except it might encourage people to create articles for each of the proposed stories, and I think we should try to discourage that (with the obvious exception of the ones that have been adapted as books; an article on Masters of Luxor could also be justified since it's been published as well. I think the criteria should establish that the stories listed have either been commissioned or invited by the BBC, officially submitted to the BBC by recognized professional writers, proposed by people directly connected with the series (i.e. Tom Baker's Scratchman), or otherwise been cited in non-trivial sources. In theory that should discourage the "fanfic" element, or someone claiming that back in 1975 when he was 15 he mailed in a script to the DW Production Office but never heard anything back. I suggest the "submitted by recognized professional writers" criteria because if some well-known writer makes the claim to have written a Doctor Who script that was rejected, I think this is notable enough to be mentioned, assuming it can be sourced and verified, etc. For example, Harlan Ellison was a huge fan of DW and is credited with helping to promote it within the SF fan community in the 1970s. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that somewhere in the BBC archives is a script or story treatment submission from Ellison; if Ellison were to state this in an article or autobiography, then it would be worth adding to the list, even if the BBC never actually commissioned it nor invited Ellison to write it. 23skidoo 17:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, good idea.  I've added a sentence on the article's scope which includes those categories of story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Percy Snoodle (talk • contribs) 09:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We shouldn't just restrict it to DWM, though, since there have been books and other professional (i.e. non-zine) articles on the topic as well. For example, when I have time I intend to add additional unproduced stories as cited by Jean-Marc Lofficier in his book The Nth Doctor. I'll make that change, otherwise the intro looks good. 23skidoo 14:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete list marker and custom TOC? 

message: Can we find the one last reference that Cartmel's story was going to be an animal testing one? Percy Snoodle 13:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  One last reference 

message: Hi. Before the 1996 TV movie was given the go ahead there was some talk in DWM of a Doctor Who feature film called 'The Last of the Timelords'. I think this was going to be by someone called Lighthouse productions (?) Does anyone know anything more about this as it would be very interesting, especially in light of the storyline of the new series. Thanks. Rob. ps. sorry I don't know anything about how to use wikipedia properly, but I enjoy reading the articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.137.27.164 (talk) 14:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't help you directly, but I suspect some information can be found in Philip Segal's book Regeneration which covers the period in question.  You also might want to look into John Frank Rosenblum - I think he was associated with the production company you mention. Percy Snoodle 15:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Last of The Timelords 

message: Going by the CD liner notes for The Invasion (and I seem to recall this being picked up on another CD, but I don't have time to find it right now), I thought I remember reading that a final Yeti story, to make a trilogy, had been planned, and that's one reason Prof Travers and Anne were mentioned in The Invasion (which got stretched from 6 to 8 episodes). Can anyone else help? --JohnDBuell 14:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Yeti story? 

message: The sentence in the Scratchman section about Tom Baker's attempts to secure funding for the film needs a source. I've marked it accordingly. 23skidoo 22:17, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is the same DWM article - I've updated the ref tags to show that. Percy Snoodle 08:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a feeling that was the case, but I didn't want to make an assumption. 23skidoo 16:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Scratchman statement needs a source

message: It's a commonly known fact that Shada is the only Doctor Who story to be abandoned after filming began. Unfortunately a major failing of Wikipedia is the fact that its "fact" requirements don't make this sort of thing easy to cite. if someone can prove me wrong, I'd love to see it. 23skidoo 03:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As it stands, I'm afraid that reference does count as OR.  I don't suppose you could write it up elsewhere so we can link to it as an external reference?  A bit daft, I know, but it would bring the article into line. Percy Snoodle 10:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, I just realized that I must have been logged out when I posted the above; I didn't notice it had gone to the IP number, so that was me. Anyway, the fact remains that there is no other abandoned Doctor Who productions out there. None. I don't see the point of having to cite this since there are no other abandoned-after-filming-commencement Doctor Who episodes in existence. It's as silly as having to cite the fact that Doctor Who is a British TV show. If anyone can prove me wrong (at least up to the beginning of the 2008 season)) then not only will I stand corrected, I'll resign from Wikipedia outright. 23skidoo 05:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shada statement

message: I seem to recall reading somewhere that Yellow Fever was originally going to be Peri's farewell story. Anyone have a source that might support this? 23skidoo 17:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yellow Fever and Peri

message: Moo. What began as a fix for three citation bugs turned in a full-scale reference cleanup.What kicked it all of of was the ibid template, which - as a "misplaced" ibid demonstrated - is really not a good idea: The ibid previously at ref #34 was ibid'ing Russell's Inside Story, instead of (what should have been) an ibid for Peel & Nation's The Official Doctor Who & the Daleks Book. -- Fullstop 01:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Brilliant, thanks! Percy Snoodle 14:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  reference & citation cleanup 

message: This might be splitting hairs, but I wonder if the word "unproduced" might be better for the title? Unmade refers to something like an unmade bed i.e. unkempt, plus all the examples listed were in fact "made" to some degree, either as story treatments or even full scripts and novelizations. Would anyone have an objection to moving this article to the namespace "List of unproduced Doctor Who serials and films"? This isn't really a WP:BOLD situation, so I'm willing to wait and see if there's consensus on this, or opposing arguments. 23skidoo (talk) 18:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine to me.  The only slight risk is that it may invite speculation about future episodes - ones that are as yet unproduced - but unmade is really just as bad in that regard. Percy Snoodle (talk) 11:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What about "proposed"? Percy Snoodle (talk) 16:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, forget that - that's even worse for promoting speculation. Percy Snoodle (talk) 16:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't think that matters - the version of Shada that the page talks about wasn't finished, and some other stories were later reworked as stories that were finished (The Giants, Pompeii) Percy Snoodle (talk) 11:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unmade or Unproduced for the title?

message: Are there any reliable sources that talk about this (ie, not tabloids such as The Daily Mirror) that don't reference the Daily Mirror's article. If not, it needs to be removed. \\Aeron\\talk 03:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Young Doctor Who

message: Is this just a weird way of someone saying it was to be a television movie, or did they mean "direct to video"?  I suspect the former but don't know for sure.  Binabik80 (talk) 20:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Dimension "direct-to-TV" 

message: As indicated in numerous places, the 1996 film was a pilot for a new series that Fox decided not to make. I think we should acknowledge this with an Eighth Doctor section. Does "Regeneration" or any other reference books indicate whether any potential storylines or scripts had been created for the aborted McGann series? 23skidoo (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it does: The writers' bible inside includes eight or so ideas on stories they could rework for the new TV series.  It's been a while since I read it, and I don't remember much about them, though I'm pretty sure one of them was "Tomb of the Cybs"[sic].  I'll see if I can borrow it again. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I should google first and post later.  There's a summary of the bible at http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/tvm.html Percy Snoodle (talk) 11:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. However, I've been noticing an upswing in people rejecting websites as reliable sources unless they're by the AP or a university or whatever (it's become a pet peeve of mine in AFD discussions), so if we can cite the actual book that will work a bit better. One reason I'm hesitant to add it just now even with the link you gave is it's so easy for someone to take FA status away from an article that for such a major addition I want to make sure the source is air-tight before adding it. 23skidoo (talk) 12:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - I'll try to get some page numbers for you sometime soon. Percy Snoodle (talk) 12:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  There's quite a bit more about "Don't shoot, I'm the Doctor" in the book, but I didn't want to put undue weight on it. Percy Snoodle (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The McGann TV series

message: I'm not sure that Fry's slip deserves so much comment, and I don't think it works as a <ref> because it's not a reference.  It's a bit of an odd case - it's us making a comment of our own (we don't have a ref. to say he's unclear) but only to say that we don't know what he meant to say.  That's why I put in  - all we really know is that that's what the reference says he said.  Percy Snoodle (talk) 12:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear Fry 

message: Does anyone have a copy of DWM 255?  Apparently it had a feature on the proposed season 27+ stories: (according to this) Percy Snoodle (talk) 09:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you still want it? I only saw this today and I have a copy of the issue. Davhorn (talk) 16:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd still be interested to see what it had to say about the proposed McCoy stories, and whether it said anything about Richard Griffiths.  Anything you could add to the article with refs to the issue would be greatly appreciated. Percy Snoodle (talk) 08:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DWM 255 

message: Following a request from a friend I invaded my attic yesterday and managed to dig up dusty copies of both "Hollows of Time" and "Pinacotheca".  They appear to be complete first (and in this context also last) drafts.  
"Hollows" is two eps only, and I thought I must be missing eps 3 and 4, but the W. says it's only a 2-ep story, so perhaps we're OK on that front, and thanks to the W. for that.
But the W. and other WWW sites refer to an alternative title for Pinacotheca as "The Last Adventure".
Does anyone have a citation for this?  There is much I don't remember about my season at DW, but I certainly don't remember this story ever having that title. 
Bidmead (talk) 06:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: From the looks of this edit, it came from The Handbook: The Sixth Doctor - The Colin Baker Years 1984-1986; the two titles were added at the same time by 23skidoo; I'll put a note on his talk page. Percy Snoodle (talk) 12:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Trial of a Time Lord" Candidates 

message: Why isn't "K-9 and Company" series not on this list? 70.51.8.158 (talk) 13:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  K9 

message: A Mark Gatiss WWII script was commissioned for series four but not used "The Fires of Pompeii" replaced it in the series (see "The Writer's Tale" by R.T. Davies).  There were other scripts that were commissioned and not made. I believe that "Fear Her" replaced another script in series two. Does anyone else have any information?  69.86.255.41 (talk) 01:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scripts commissioned for new series 

message: I just obtained my copy of this book. There's detail in here about additional First Doctor scripts commissioned but not made. I added Farhi's The Divided to that section and will add additional details on the others (they aren't by Farhi) if there's anything of note in the text. I added the book to the bibliography, but as this is a privately published book, it has no ISBN. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Farewell Great Macedon book

message: This section of the article is highly flawed. It treats Dave Owen's What If? article in DWM 255 as gospel when the 27 Up article over the page makes clear distinctions between the fact and the fiction of What If? that have been completely missed here.
For one thing, no-one was being considered to replace Sylvester McCoy. John Nathan-Turner stated in 27 Up that he considered Richard Griffiths for the part of an earlier Doctor but that Griffiths was unavailable. As for Julia Sawalha as the character we now know as Raine, not Kate, that was based on her being invited to audition for the part of Ace as per the words of her then boss Steven Moffat (!) over the page. Griffiths and Sawalha were NEVER approached or considered to replace McCoy and Aldred.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostart (talk • contribs) 22:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The would-be Season 27 

message: Hasselhoff quits Doctor Who film How come this isn't covered in the article? I remembered there was an article on it in SFX.--DrWho42 (talk) 01:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[David Hasselhoff]] as the Doctor. 

message: There is absolutely no evidence to back up the claim that The Chase was to have been the subject of a third Subotsky movie. Amicus didn't make their third movie bid until the mid 1980s. Richard Bignell 25 September 2010  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.76.249 (talk) 18:20, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The Chase

message: The Alan Wakeman link (which is an internal wikipedia link) appears to be to the wrong subject. There's no mention on the Wakeman page of him being a writer in any capacity, never mind a tv script writer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.166.6.232 (talk) 10:06, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential bad link (or source) 

message: The Space Sargasso and Valley of Shadows summaries both cite Sullivan (2006g) using identical statements of when and why each story was rejected. This could indicate an error of boilerplated text: i.e., that one or both may be in error. Are there any sources that corroborate Sullivan independently? Memetics (talk) 11:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Space Sargasso / Valley of Shadows 

message: Although I understand that all work here must be properly sourced, the "Lost in the Dark Dimension" section contains so many references that it becomes extremely unpleasant to read. Would there perhaps be a way to reduce that number of references? Supertanno (talk) 14:14, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I tried on a couple of sentences, and I reckon it is possible. Cutting out some of the excess detail would make it simpler too. GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:42, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Lost in the Dark Dimension" section 

message: Having just watched the extra feature on the new Inferno DVD about DW in the 90s, I was gobsmacked to hear about the independent series that was not only proposed in the early 90s but actually had a couple of episodes made (and then destroyed). Is there any other information about this? I see no mention of it here. Has Doctor Who Magazine talked about it at all?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 09:53, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the link. Interesting and bizarre, but probably shouldn't be mentioned in this article afterall.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 23:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early 90s series 

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message: I think there is a lot more about Callan’s abandoned two-parter: The story would be the Doctor and Peri landing on a desert planet that is conquered from an unmerciful race called The Z’ros (Callan refereed as “human bees”- no more as considered as an alien). Peri complains that the planet they are on is no fun for her, and the Doctor tries to take Peri somewhere else, but the Z’ros army caught them and their leader would try to execute them. Luckily, “The Children of January”- renegade outcasts-the outcast leader tells the Z’ros leader to spare their lives. The Doctor then tells Peri to stay in the TARDIS. The Doctor is then having a discussion with outcast leader about why “The Children of January” themselves hate the Z’ros. The leader explains that the planet was getting dry with little water, the Z’ros plan on taking the as a mega empire and their leader plans on killing the outcast villagers. In the TARDIS, Peri is wondering where the Doctor is now. Unexpectedly, the TARDIS is attacked by a Z’ros laser cannon. The Doctor tries to negotiate with the Z’ros to stop destroying his ship, but the Z’ros leader forces the Doctor to surrender. He quickly fleas to the ship. The Doctor and Peri plan on exploding the Z’ros ship, and they did. After evacuating, The Doctor tells the Z’ros leader to make peace with “the Children of January”. The Doctor and Peri then continue their travels in time and space. WhoCrusader (talk) 15:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  As someone posted earlier, The Children of January was never supposed to be part of the originally planned Season 23. That's revisionism, just like lots of features on the 2Entertain DVDs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.86.143.126 (talk) 08:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who: The Children of January by Michael Feeney Callan 

message: Here’s one: Michael Feeney Callan MordantFan (talk) 20:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link for The Children of January 

message: The notion that there was to be a third Cushing film based on The Chase is incorrect. Daleks vs Mechons was a fan-made film trailer for a fictional third film by Andrew Orton that has been up on YouTube since 2010. Doctor Who Magazine 461, as referenced in the Wiki section, makes no reference whatsoever to a third Cushing film.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.164.236 (talk) 14:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daleks vs Mechons 

message: There was no enquiry by Disney into the possibility of adapting Marco Polo into a feature film. This a misreading of a BBC memo relating to an enquiry from a children's publication that used to adapt Disney films (both animation and live action) into comic strip versions, published in full each issue. There was a brief query made as to whether Marco Polo could also be adapated for the publication, but this came to nothing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.164.236 (talk) 14:13, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marco Polo Film Adaptation 

message: The indication that The Haunting's subject matter was vampires and that Terrance Dicks reused some of the material when he later wrote The Vampire Mutation has no basis in fact. Terrance Dicks freely admitted that he had absolutely no memory of submitting The Haunting back in 1974 or what it was about. The suggestion that had any connection with vampires is pure supposition.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.85.92 (talk) 16:07, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Haunting - Season 13 

message: If the references make sense to anyone, could they be clarified for the rest of us. Especially the Doctor Who Magazine sources, are they volumes or issues? User-duck (talk) 07:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Issue numbers 88.97.55.154 (talk) 15:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  References