Talk:Michel Suleiman

message: I propose changing the title of this article to Michel Suleiman (I accidently created this) as a Google search of ""Michel Sulaiman" Lebanon army" gets only 546 results (including this page) whereas a search of ""Michel Suleiman" Lebanon army" gets 51,500. Joshdboz 11:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that "Sulaiman" should not be kept. But the website  names him Michel Sleiman. I think we should go with the name on the official army website. --Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 15:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just randomly given the article a cleanup - I've standardised on Sulaiman in the text, only because that is the name of the article. If a different spelling, as seems likely, is found to be the most common, then obviously whatever that is should be used consistently throughout, and the article should be moved. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 16:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: You should be able to move it yourself - click on the 'move' tab at the top of the article and follow the instructions. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 16:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The media almost universally spell him Michel Suleiman (which is closer to the standard Arabic pronunciation of the name, Sleiman being closer to the Lebanese dialect pronunciation). I would propose to move the article to that lemma.--84.190.59.134 (talk) 21:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The title for the wikipedia Article says Michel Sleiman where as the rest of the article refers to him as Michel Suleiman. Any particular reason we are doing this, or should this be changed? Thanks. -- OtherAJ (talk) 01:28, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Change 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose move. I think primary sources are more likely to be correct in this instance. I was the one who moved it to this title, and that was after a request from a relative of Mr Sleiman. I realise that counts for nothing, though I would argue that for the spelling of a name, we should trust the employer of the subject rather than foreign language newspapers. J Milburn (talk) 23:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is what is the "correct" spelling - the one the person uses, or the one that is mostly used in writing when referring to him (especially when the latter isn't a blatant mistake). Anyway, the fact that a request was received through OTRS was not clear but I still don't think it should have bearing on the decision (although it can be used to reaffirm the position that this is the spelling he uses). Yonatan talk 23:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies, no, not OTRS- it was made informally over IRC, though they said they would contact OTRS if the errors slipped back in to the article. J Milburn (talk) 23:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I disagree that it isn't a blatant mistake. If he has a preferred transcription which he considers should apply to English and which may even be used in official English language used by him, then yes, anything else is a mistake. Nil Einne (talk) 16:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: "Discovering Israeli spying and terrorist networks,"
I believe that he discovered an "Israeli spying network", but did he discover an "Israeli terrorist network"? Which terrorist network would that have been?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.105 (talk) 09:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spying/terrorism

message: This article's notability is dubious--how little time will pass before he passes into history? This hagiography looks like it was written by his Boyscout master.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimwell (talk • contribs) 18:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is any doubt that the president of a major nation passes our notability guidelines. J Milburn (talk) 19:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I wouldn't call Lebanon a "major nation". In that region, everything appears to be notable... Whatever I might think about this doesn't matter - this appointment is certainly notable enough; followed by even local press the world over as it is. CapnZapp (talk) 16:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: The section I marked is basically copied from  and might even be a copyright infringement. It should be using sources other than the LAF website which will obviously glorify him. Yonatan talk 18:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the permission, there's permissions-en@wikimedia.org. If it hasn't been authorized through there, you can't use it. As for the glorification, after I removed most of it, it isn't there but attributing every action that happened while he was commander of the LAF to him is too much. Who said he came up with the solution to the 2006 Lebanon War. When did he "confront the Israeli Army and support the resistance until the liberation of the south in the year 2000"? Yonatan talk 02:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

text: "Military achievements", "Fighting terrorism and extremism" - this reads like a CV, not a neutral biography!203.184.41.226 (talk) 08:32, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: During a vandalism revert, the following line was removed:
:The priorities of President Suleiman's presidential term were set out clearly, notably:
I understand it's not sourced, and perhaps even biased, but without it the list of priorities following lacks any context and looks out of place.
I therefore re-added it. --oKtosiTe talk 14:16, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidency: weird vandalism revert 

message: Based on what secondary sources say about 08BEIRUT372 and what the cable itself says, it's not clear if Suleiman voluntarily wished Israel to attack Lebanon and/or wished to allow a limited invasion of Lebanon by Israel. The text of the cable and Murr and Suleiman's relative political/administrative positions meant that in principle it was not up to Suleiman to have an opinion on such a thing (unless the Constitution of Lebanon has something allowing military disobedience in the case that a civilian politician encourages another country's military to attack Lebanon). This is why, for BLP reasons, i have toned down the way that Ya Libnan described the content. The thing more relevant to this article (Suleiman) seems to me that Suleiman was instructed by Murr, and that "Middle East-based, English-language Arab bloggers" reacted strongly. I presume that by now Suleiman must have made some public statements (denial, or stating that he was just following orders, or dismissing Murr from government positions, or totally avoiding the issue?) - anyone with reliable sources on these please add them. In any case, it seems to me that being a senior military commander instructed in a policy to allow a military attack on your own country is obviously a notable event, and it's reliably sourced.
However, i'm not sure whether the subsection title is NPOV enough. And should this go chronologically in an earlier section (March 2008-ish) or in the Presidency section? The instruction by Murr was in March 2008, but the controversy only started in December 2010. Boud (talk) 01:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy over Murr 2008 Israeli attack policy 

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