Talk:Katyusha (song)

message: 'Yabloki' for 'apples ' is mis-spelled both Russian and transliteration; there may be more errors.
There's no 'n' in 'yabloki', just a 'k' sound'.
:It's "yabloni" for "apple trees", not "apples", and it's correct. -- EJ 12:03, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: EJ is RIGHT. It's yabloni. Just heard the song again and my Russian wife confirmed. --Pinnecco 21:58, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Apple trees

message: Okay, I'd added information about the Chinese version about the song and also added the lyrics in Russian (my information source: the Chinese Wikipedia). I don't speak Russian, so can any kind Russian-speaking Wikipedians translate the the lyrics into English please? It would be good if we also have an English lyrics. Thanks. By the way, shall we add the lyrics in Japanese, Italian, Chinese versions as well (since these three versions were talked about in the article)? I do have the Chinese version of lyrics. --Cantaire87 13:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation Please 

message: How can the LYRICS OF A FOLK SOVIET SONG be copyrighted? By who?! I'll be adding the lyrics back. If anyone wants to remove it, you'll have to prove that these lyrics are copyrighted. Katyusha is a traditional folk song made during the war and there is no such as thing such as copyright then. Check the Tetris article. In fact:
:"Works belonging to the former Soviet government or other Soviet legal entities published before January 1st, 1954, are also public domain in Russia." 
Also..
:Article 6. Object of Copyright. General Provisions
::    Copyright shall not apply to ideas, methods, processes, systems, means, concepts, principles, discoveries, and facts.
Article 8. Works That Are Not Objects of Copyright
::    The following shall not be objects of copyright:
        * official documents (laws, judicial decisions, and other legislative, administrative and judicial texts), as well as their official translations;
        * state symbols and signs (flags, emblems, orders, banknotes and other national symbols and signs);
        * works of folk art; news reports on events and facts.
To sum up, this whole copyright issue is bull*
:: Once again some vandal removed the Russian and transliterated lyrics of Katyusha. I'll be requesting the lyrics to be RE-ADDED and a lock-down of this article if people continue to do this. There is NO REASON to remove the original russian and transliaterated lyrics. I am neutral about the removal of the english translation, though. --201.53.160.159 (talk) 17:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: IT DOESN'T MATTER!!! No such a thing such as copyright during the SOVIET ERA!!! The song belonged to the SOVIET STATE, TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SOVIET UNION! Isn't that clear enough for those who keep removing the lyrics, or do you need a diagram?! Sometimes is like trying to talk to a horseshoe --189.32.134.16 (talk) 01:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is nonsense. there was copyright in the soviet union, and it is succeeded by russian copyright. - Altenmann >t 04:00, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's great how you completely and utterly ignored the "Works belonging to the former Soviet government or other Soviet legal entities published before January 1st, 1954, are also public domain in Russia." part, along with all of the other valid points he made. 68.83.122.80 (talk) 15:26, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  The author Isakovsky is not Soviet government. - Altenmann >t 14:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Violation?!? PLEASE EXPLAIN 

message: Sorry, I am going to delete a reference to this file from the article. It's terribly performed and it's completely off-key! It's very distant from the original!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.218.28.226 (talk) 07:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Katyusha.ogg 

message: The "free" translation seems subjective and perhaps doesn't belong in an encyclopedic description. The more literal English translation is truer to the original Russian and yet stills sounds acceptable in English. The "free" translation should probably be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.241.232 (talk) 03:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. "Free" translation of unknown auntorship does not belog here. `'Míkka>t 08:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you remooved all translations then??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yegor Chernyshev (talk • contribs) 08:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And what happened to the original lyrics too?... Adys (talk) 09:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restored from a November 2007 version.  I do not know why anyone is removing these lyrics; they are clearly encyclopedic and are certainly in the public domain.  Nimur (talk) 16:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

text: .  Nimur (talk) 05:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

text: It should be made absolutely clear that the copyright status is well defined (there are no assumptions being made) - in this case, the work is in the public domain, as it was authored before 1940.  As a public domain work in both the US and Russia, there is no applicable copyright to the lyric.  Nimur (talk) 05:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Song lyrics, as any other creative works, are copyrighted. The copyright has expiration time. Therefore old songs may be freely copied. - üser:Altenmann >t 15:40, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

text: I guess the Italian version can stay here since it's actually set to the original tone, but the Japanese version? Why does every single article has to mention Japan regardless of how far-fetched it sounds in the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.77.81 (talk) 22:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because 4chan runs the internet.Shimo1989 (talk) 05:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Free" translation 

message: Should there be a disambiguation or separate articles for what are clearly different songs?  Nimur (talk) 15:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the Italian version can stay here since it's actually set to the original tone, but the Japanese version? Why does every single article has to mention Japan regardless of how far-fetched it sounds in the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.77.81 (talk) 22:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because 4chan runs the internet.Shimo1989 (talk) 05:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation Page

message: This article is about the russian song Katyusha, the japanese song has nothing to do in this page, (it is a completely different song) so I will remove it.--Mr nonono (talk) 20:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted. You cannot delete correct information from wikipedia on formal grounds. - Altenmann >t 23:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article 

message: The source, which is some kind of Chinese I don't know which should be translated to English. Of course the song 'helped' win the Soviets the war, but many things did. Hehe, but just to get more info out of the Chinese source would be helpful. 81.68.255.36 (talk) 18:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: Hardly very prominent, but much appreciated amongst Swedish university students is the version of the song called "Lille Olle". We can not hear Katyusha without thinking of a boy gone wrong in his drug abuse... http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://sekel.studorg.liu.se/sangbok/lille-olle/&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8 Do consider mentioning it in the article if appropriate. 217.159.233.210 (talk) 08:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish students' version 

message: I think it is ironic in the extreme that the entire version of this song is rendered on the English language Wiki, but totalitarian censors at the Russian Wikipedia keep deleting it and have now issued me a "warning" for breaking copyright laws by trying to publish the full version. This is hilariously unjustified since all Soviet public works published in 1954 or earlier are in the public domain (this song was first published in 1938).
No wonder Russian Wikipedia is such a failure with far fewer articles than those of other global languages, it being directed by power hungry freaks like OneLittleMouse.
I don't know how it works on Wikipedia but please someone resolve this issue. --SublimeWik (talk) 07:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totalitarian censors at Russian Wikipedia 

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thread_title: File:Sovmusic-katyusha.ogg Nominated for speedy Deletion

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thread_title: File:Katyusha (intro with techno).ogg Nominated for Deletion

message: The song is copyrighted; see Copyright law of the Soviet Union (transitioned into the Copyright law of Russia. - Altenmann >t 17:11, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  copyright 

message: The song surprisingly appears in the anime. Did the Japanese voice actresses sing it in correct Russian, in the original show? הראש (talk) 22:36, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Girls und Panzer 

message: I'll guess the melody is older than 1938, and that it originally was related to Virgin Mary. The Norwegian singer-songwriter Geirr Lystrup has written a Norwegian version, "Jomfru Majas under" (= "The Miracles of Virgin Mary"), without relations to the woman Kayusha or The Patriotic War.
Pål Jensen (talk) 20:31, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Older than 1938?

message: Was listening to this song, and noticed the Kazakhstan anthem from Borat sounds very very similar. Is it just me? Would it be worth adding this to a 'popular culture' section? S eoJ (talk) 12:19, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Just you or me too does not matter. WP:RS. - Altenmann >talk 15:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borat - Kazakhstan anthem - is this based on Katyusha? 

message: It would be interesting to add how the song is used in the modern era, say, the last 20 years or so. I recently saw on youtube more and more
"Katyusha" variants, some of which were live performances. Evidently russian propaganda is still popularizing the song these days. 2A02:8388:1641:4980:0:0:0:2 (talk) 19:02, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern era