Talk:Communist state

message: Should this article be moved to 'Marxist–Leninist state' and why or why not? Read lead sections of 'Marxism–Leninism' (by definition pro-statist to ) and 'Communism' (by definition anti-statist, an oxymoron - 'stateless state'). I would therefore argue WP:PRECISE policy should take precedence over WP:COMMONNAME. -Vipz (talk) 19:42, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, it is completely oxymoronic. Not to mention that there have been socialist projects that were not Marxist-Leninist in nature, although were/are still in fact ideologically communist, for example, Revolutionary Catalonia, EZLN-controlled Mexico, Post-Independence Tanzania, etc. digiulio8 (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Agree with move to 'Marxist–Leninist state' per @Vipz (OP) and @digiulio8. -Gluonz (talk) 23:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Support Makes more sense TheUzbek (talk) 07:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

text: @Vipz Since it doesn't seem there's been any opposition, should a formal move proposal be initiated? -Gluonz (talk) 23:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Gluonz: I don't think it's worth initiating it at this time because it's going to get squashed by the "common name" argument, but you're free to act on your own accord. Cheers. –Vipz (talk) 23:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Vipz 👍 -Gluonz (talk) 23:24, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

text: What about moving the article to "Socialist state (Marxism–Leninism)"? --TheUzbek (talk) 11:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose. Firstly, North Korea's ruling party, the Worker's Party of Korea, is often described as communist but not Marxist-Leninist. Secondly, I don't think it's oxymoronic at all; "communist state" - or better yet "Communist state" quite clearly refers to a  - emphasis mine; there is fundamental reference to the ideology of Communism, not communism as a political reality. References to "political philosophy" and "commitment" clearly reinforce the emphasis on ideology. Zilch-nada (talk) 11:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with you, the problem is that the majority here on Wikipedia don't. Just look at the infobox description of the government at People's Socialist Republic of Albania. Users would much rather want a "Unitary Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic under a totalitarian dictatorship" than a "Communist state", which is, for me, absolutely amazing! TheUzbek (talk) 15:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-move proposal discussion 

message: San Marino was a communist state from 1945-1957 under the Sammarinese Communist Party. Currently in the "Previous communist states" section, San Marino is not present. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammarinese_Communist_Party Polskaball.420 (talk) 06:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: The section you're talking about is within the Template:History of Communist Nations, not a part of this article. Edits to the template should be done on the template itself, not here on the article where it's just transcluded . Additionally, I question whether this actually made San Marino a communist state, or just a state with a communist (or to be precise, a communist/socialist coalition) government. Liu1126 (talk) 10:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2024 

message: The short-lived Bavarian Soviet Republic had an extreme-left government of short duration that showed obvious imitation of the nascent Soviet state, but is not shown on the world map of "Communist states". Its motto was Karl Marx' Workers of the World, Unite! Pbrower2a (talk) 06:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: These were very short-lived and internationally unrecognized . I don't think they warrant inclusion on the map of communist states. –Vipz (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Did it have a constitution specifically implying that it followed Marxism-Leninism? I would assume not, given that it existed solely in 1919. –Gluonz talk contribs 19:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bavarian Soviet Republic not on the map of Communist states