Talk:Eagle-bone whistle

message: There are cultural issues with your edits. You are adding information by outsider anthropologists that is not in alignment with the information and cultural protocols in the Indigenous communities whose intellectual and cultural property are being made public here, even though it is in the form of misinformation and misrepresentation. This is of concern to members of the Indigenous communities in question. Please email me as I would prefer this not be discussed in public. My email is enabled via my talk page. Thank you. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 16:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not written in secret. Hyacinth (talk) 21:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

text: I've nominated the image previously used for deletion and added some notes to the article and talk page requesting that music related categories and requests not be added. Hyacinth (talk) 22:40, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hyacinth, your sources are not all reliable ones. It is important to not engage in cultural appropriation or to buy into the statements of "plastic shaman" types.  Montanabw(talk) 22:54, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There where only two sources before I began editing the article. No sources have been added since. Though tribes in N. America chose the advantages of oral history over written records Wikipedia relies on written citations. Hyacinth (talk) 23:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See my response at the Wikiproject. WP relies on WP:RS. Misinformation from those outside the cultures do not meet this criteria. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 00:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural issues

message: How is it inherently clear on talk pages and edit summaries that given the sacred nature of the whistle, publication of details such as pictures and construction are inappropriate, but requires a citation when explained in the article? Hyacinth (talk) 04:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Sacred nature

message: The material paragraph discussing the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 and the Eagle feather law, is repeated in this article [and in those articles 23:11, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: The Law

message: ===Voget===
One source is listed as "Fred W, Voget (1984). The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance. The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance...". I assume that the name of the book Voget Fred wrote is not titled "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance" with a subtitle of "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance", and I also assume that the book titled "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance" is not a part of a series title "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance". Hyacinth (talk) 04:31, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting

message: One source is listed as "Fred W, Voget (1984). The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance. The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance...". I assume that the name of the book Voget Fred wrote is not titled "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance" with a subtitle of "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance", and I also assume that the book titled "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance" is not a part of a series title "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance". Hyacinth (talk) 04:31, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Voget

message: This article could have a few more links to some of the sources cited, such as Luther Standing Bear, which would presumably help in a reader's evaluation and location of those sources. Hyacinth (talk) 04:44, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: Only two of the references cited use the spelling "eagle bone whistle" rather than "eagle-bone whistle": Gannon (2009), a Lakota critic, and Indian Country Today Media Network. Hyacinth (talk) 23:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: is currently in the article, though it is not linked to in the template. This article is "too specific" to be linked to in this template, which "is about issues" Is this template appropriate for the article? Hyacinth (talk) 05:22, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, as it touches on issues of Indigenous intellectual property rights, the template can be added to articles where those cultural boundaries are a concern, but not every article where those rights are relevant needs to be included in the general template. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 18:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: This article may have issues with WP:PSTS. Perhaps the citations should indicate whether the source is primary, secondary, or tertiary. Hyacinth (talk) 00:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: PSTS

message: These references should most likely not be readded
* Recorded and edited by Michael Oren Fitzgerald. [See: ]. Choice Magazine wrote, "This book becomes the personal testament of a pivotal figure in recent Crow cultural history. The book describes in exquisite detail Yellowtail's philosophy. Fitzgerald examines the place of the Sun Dance, and of the sacred, in the life and future of the Crow...It is a serious work of anthropology and history."
**Reason: Excess detail, publication of details such as pictures and construction.
Hyacinth (Hyacinth (talk) 08:17, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed references