Talk:CP Ships

message: This was the 19th Century name of the initial shipping company, which ran the Bombay-Calcutta-Singapore-Hong Kong-Tokyo to Vancouver transpacific routes; I would imagine also Montreal-Bristol/Southhampton but I'm not sure.  Their liners were famous - the "Empress" line - Empress of India, Empress of Japan etc.  I've only briefly perused the article overleaf and was wondering how to fit this in; I'd imagine as a separate article, given the different name (and logo, which I'll have to find); ties into a lot of British Columbia/Vancouver historical articles, such as the old B-C Pier (now Canada Place/Pan Pacific Hotel Vancouver/Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre...its piers/piles anyway).  Many of the ships have histories of their own, too....Skookum1 18:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: further to previous, does anyone here know if the lake steamers in BC which were operated by CP were under Canadian Pacific Shipping, under the railway directly, or was there another subsidiary company which operated them?  This relates to Template:Columbia River Steamboats where there's a section for operating companies, in the case of tributaries being the steamboats on Okanagan, Kootenay and the Arrow Lakes.Skookum1 (talk) 16:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Pacific Steamships 

message: :Copied from User talk:Kjet#Ship's most notable incarnation ... --Tenmei (talk) 23:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Born in the British Colony of Newfoundland, Captain Thomas commanded the 26,000-ton Empress of Scotland (originally named the Empress of Japan) throughout the Second World War.
In terms of the range of issues I'm trying to bring out here, how would you re-write this sentence to adequately and appropriately reflect that "RMS" designation? --Tenmei (talk) 16:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, I don't have the time to reply properly to you right now, so just brief pointers: During wartime the Empress of Japan / Scotland would be referred to with the SS prefix as she did not carry mail during war service. During the vast majority of her existence as Empress of Japan she was in commercial service as a mailship, therefore it is appropriate to refer to her under the RMS prefix rather than SS. By the naming convention, an article on a ship should be named after the most notable incarnation of the ship - if that incarnation was known with an RMS prefix, then the article should have one in it's name. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 16:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the helpful feedback and explanation.  No need to write more.  Your succinct response resolves my lingering questions well enough. I'm going to copy this exchange at Talk:RMS Empress of Japan (1930)#Ship's most notable incarnation where it may prove useful to other editors. --Tenmei (talk) 12:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ship's most notable incarnation

message: :Copied from User talk:Tenmei ... --Tenmei (talk) 23:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explaining RMS 

message: Although illustrative images of advertisements, brochures, etc. and other graphic art do enhance the quality of this article, I would construe photographs as more "encyclopedic."  In due course, I would like to see graphic art relegated to a gallery at the bottom of the page because a superior array of photographs has been uploaded.  Until then, the artwork remains a good step in a constructive direction. 
I wonder if other editors share this view? --Tenmei (talk) 15:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I know from an antiquarian book/art show I worked as security at that Canadian Pacific pioneered many forms and styles of tourism-promotion art work; a certain taste in angular art-deco....so if commented upon properly, images of old promo posters for say the Empress of Japan etc....aren't clutter, they're illustration of an aspect/influence of the compnay's operations.Skookum1 (talk) 16:04, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertisment/graphic art

message: Love the information on the CP ships page. I am working on a 'potted history' for my father who was an engineer on a number of CP ships. I can only see from the 1971 onwards list that there are three ships, the Trader, Discoverer (his first CP ship and one that I also sailed upon) and Voyageur. May I ask where all the other ships from that era are listed? Ianheadland (talk) 15:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the fleet list below help? --Tenmei (talk) 18:41, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: kudo

message: The purpose of this family tree is to highlight a potential flaw in the unfolding strategies for further development of CPR-related articles.This family tree represents an attempt to describe the historical changes in the ancillary businesses of CPR.  In the 1880s, the company established several subsidiary units which functioned as feeders for the trans-Canadian railroad system.  In other words, a traveler from Tokyo could transfer from a CPR ship in Vancouver and then travel by train to Montreal where it was possible to board another CPR ship for a trans-Atlantic voyage to London.  The trans-Pacific and trans-Atlantic services were conceived as supporting the core trans-Canadian business model.In the graphic below, this integrated transportation network is indicated by broken lines.Thus far, CPR corporate history has been deconstructed in a series of focal points about subsidiary corporate entities ... plus the persisting nature of the ancillary network of CPR linkages. For example, CPR's Pacific service was (a) established in 1887; (b) reorganized as Canadian Pacific Steamship Company (CPSC) in 1891; (c) reorganized as Canadian Pacific Steamships Ocean Services in 1915; (c) reorganzied as CP Ships in 1971; and (d) merged with Hapag-Lloyd in 2005.  The graph attempts to reflect this chronology ... plus the "feeder" networks which exist literally "outisde the box".IMO, the current version of the related articles does not adequately acknowledge or explain the network of intra-company routes and connections which persisted despite changes in corporate structures and despite changes in the passenger and cargo transport markets.In the thread above, there was discussion but not disagreement about article names. Among the projected consequence of our naming policies could be that the articles will only encompass a narrative of corporate development.IMO, there is insufficient attention given to the significance of CPR transportation networks which were established in the 1880s and refined in the early part of the 20th century.  In other words, I wonder if our editing strategies are likely to not see the forest for the trees?Despite any failings of this graphic, I hope it illustrates something "more than the sum of its parts"?  Comments? Suggestions? --Tenmei (talk) 19:32, 26 December 2010 
 
 
 
 
This is the rough draft of a possible template for CPR corporate history articles? --Tenmei (talk) 22:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: CPR family tree

message: Nice to see an article about an important piece of Canadian history.  Here are some ideas I would like people's comments on. 1. Eliminate the CPR section.  Say its part of CPR but it doesn't seem relevant to this shipping article.  2. Put the Canadian Pacific Steamship Fleet in a separate list.  The article is getting long, and it is distracting to have such a large chart in the article. 3. It is part of the Train Project.  I don't think that is appropriate.  CPR should be but not a seperate shipping company they happen to own.  4. Have a section for Empress of Ireland.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varaldarade (talk • contribs) 23:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up Suggestions 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :CP Ships's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "sl1":
From RMS Empress of Ireland: [see above]
From RMS Empress of China (1891): Ship List:  Description of Empress of China
From RMS Empress of Japan (1891): Ship List:  Description of Empress of Japan
From RMS Empress of Russia: Ship List: Description of Empress of Russia
From RMS Empress of Britain (1906): Ship List: Description of Empress of Britain
From RMS Empress of Australia (1919): Ship List:  Description of Empress of Australia
From RMS Empress of France (1914): Ship List:  Description of Empress of France
From SS Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm: Ship List:  Description of SS Prinz Frederick Wilhelm
From SS Duchess of York (1928): Ships List:  Canadian Pacific fleet, SS Duchess of York
From RMS Empress of India (1891): Ship List:  Description of Empress of India
From RMS Empress of Scotland (1906): Ship List:  Description of Empress of Canada
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:CP Ships]] 

message: This is from the British Library collection just added to the Commons, all ships depicted, and docks, were part of CP.....  The year is 1920.  This would be better with more contrast, I'll download this high-res version and maybe take off the handwriting and stamp, too.Skookum1 (talk) 09:10, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  nice old image of CP Ships./Docks in Vancouver 

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