Talk:Hogwarts/Archive 1

message: There was lots of discussion on Talk:Harry Potter about whether it's in Scotland or not. It is - for more, please see that talk page. For convenience here is one piece of evidence from there: "Hogwarts ... Logically it had to be set in a secluded place, and pretty soon I settled on Scotland in my mind." Fraser, L., An interview with J.K. Rowling, Mammoth, London, 2000. . pp 20-21. Nevilley 11:52 Jan 21, 2003 (UTC)
:I'd say no to it's in Scotland. Yes, there are good reasons to think it's in Scotland, but the book never states that: ask yourself why ? Perhaps does Scotland not even exist in the fictional world that the book describes ;-) Even the fact that J.K.Rowlings gets her inspiration from Scotland does not mean that she thinks that the Castle has to be in Scotland. It just has to be in a secluded place, and in order not to perturbate the readers, she makes them think that that secluded place might be Scotland. (Although some readers appear not to think the expected way.) The difference, of course, is slight, and perhaps I'm just being pedantic here, but it feels significant to me. That's akin to the difference between fact and fiction. --FvdP 19:59 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::Having written that, I just read this: In one of the Comic Relief books (Fabulous Beasts and Where To Find Them), the author mentions that a nest of horrific giant spiders (I forget the exact name) has been rumoured to exist in a forest in Scotland. There is an annotation by Harry (or Ron) that says "confirmed by Harry Potter and Ron Weasley". Presumably this refers to when they meet Aragog in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.  (in Talk:Harry Potter) so yes, maybe is Hogwarts in Scotland after all... --FvdP 20:05 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think if there is a lack of clarity in the articles, it's better to make the articles clearer, and to add the references there, rather than doing so in the talk pages. Otherwise the same questions will come up again and again. -- Oliver P. 01:37 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::Good idea --FvdP
:I think the fact that the author says it's in Scotland does a lot to clear up the 'unclarity', doesn't it? -- Someone else 01:44 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::Except that she says "Scotland in my mind" not "Scotland in the book"  ;-) --FvdP 17:37 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
right|600px|thumb|Click on map to read explanations.
About the localisations of the schools I hace produced the following map. Click on the map for the text that details the reason for the locations. Please feel free to discuss. I am seriously interested in knowing what you guys think.Lag 21:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: The school does not appear on Muggle maps, but it is not "unplottable": Harry gets hold of an enchanted map showing every passge, corridor and room in Hogwarts' grounds and where any person in the grounds is (see Marauder's Map). shows .... --Uncle Ed 19:43 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
: I've removed "The school is unplotable (cannot found on a map)". According to this page in "The Harry Potter Lexicon", "Hogwarts also has wards and spells on it to hide its true nature from Muggles, but it is apparently not Unplottable." -- Oliver P. 01:37 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
*Unplottable may meean it's location cannot be mapped, but this would not prevent a map of Hogwarts such as the Maurauder's Map, which does not reveal the location. Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 11:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a fairly dumb discussion, but isn't the map really more of a bunch of names moving around and the names of buildings and objects rather than maps? Dan 23:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mapping the School 

message: One quick correction that should be made:  The mascot of the Ravenclaw house is not the eagle, but the Raven, hence the name.  The eagle, especially in American mythology, has been a symbol of courage and morality, not for intelligence.  The raven on the other hand has long been a symbol of intelligence in mythology and literature.
*Sorry, but you are wrong. When Warner Brothers started to make the movie, they changed it to a raven for their movies, to make it flow, but traditionally Ravenclaw is represented by an eagle. And it really doesn't matter what symbols were in mythology and literature, because, though influenced by mythology and literature, this is J.K.Rolwing's book, and she may do what she pleases with it. Billvoltage 04:01, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ravenclaw 

message: If anyone wishes to move this page, could they please use the "Move this page" function, to preserve the article history? Thanks. I'm not sure a move is necessary, though. The school is often referred to as just "Hogwarts", and the opening line gives the full name anyway. -- Oliver P. 16:35, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving this page 

message: If you have an article here on the Chamber of Secrets, you should also have one on the other rooms at Hogwarts. Your description of the school houses are very short. The writer didn't go into a lot of detail. User:12.203.10.240
: Wikipedia is a collaborative project - anyone is free to edit the articles, to add to them, and to improve them in any way that they see fit. There is no single "writer" responsible for any of the articles. Anyone who comes here is free to write in any of the articles. Including you. If you think the article can be improved, just go for it! :) -- Oliver P. 21:32, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rooms in the School 

message: The Detention at Hogwarts page has turned out to be copyed from the Harry Potter Lexicon. The link here has been deleted until further notice. This is due to my beilef that the author didn't realize the "no copyrighting policy" and we may want to recreate the link if the author replaces this article with an orginal one.
The author of Detentions at Hogwarts page has decided to let the page be deleted. The page has now been deleted.
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Hi, I'm back! I've noticed my absence has gone completly unoticed.
== Too long? ==http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts
Article
:I like the article pretty much but isn't it too long being one article? Can we split off some sections? -- Taku
::I don't think it is too long. It's less than 30kb. There isn't really anything substantial enough to split off. We don't want to end up with lots of stub relating to Harry Potter, which is why I think they have been merged in here. Angela 07:12, Oct 18, 2003 (UTC)
:::One possibility is to split off the floor directory into a linked article. Its already very long and there are several rooms which are still not listed. Jarwulf 04:40, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wholehearted agreement that we should split off the floor directory - it may be interesting but it really bogs down the rest of the article. A linked article for this section would be a much, much better idea - a bit like an appendix to the main article, which is what that kind ofexhaustive information list really is. Peeper 10:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detention at Hogwarts page 

message: What's the status on the image heading this article?  Has Warner Brothers released it into the public domain?  I find this extremely dubious, especially given the watermark present on it. - Korath 02:25, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Concerning Ravenclaw's mascot: even though the raven is symbolically associated with intelligence rather than the eagle and I would have liked the raven to be Ravenclaw's mascot as it really makes more sense, I still think the eagle is the mascot of Ravenclaw House. 
Some pieces of proof include: 
*Chapter Three (The Letters from No One) from Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, where Hogwarts' coat of arms on the envelope is described as "a lion, an eagle, a badger and a snake surrounding a large letter 'H'" 
*The Harry Potter Lexicon's entry on Ravenclaw (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/hogwarts/houses/ravenclaw.html), where Ravenclaw's animal is listed as "eagle". The sidebar also features a possible reason for Ravenclaw's mascot not being a raven. 
*The fact that Gryffindor's mascot is not a griffin or a hippogriff, despite what its name suggests, and 
*The card "Ravenclaw Eagle" from the Harry Potter Trading Card Game as part of a cycle of cards featuring the mascots of the houses.
I hope the proof is sufficient to warrant my editing the article to that effect. Sinistro 22:50, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ravenclaw's mascot 

message: I suspect there to be some movie contamination in the description of the Hogwarts uniform: I don't recall anything except robes being described in the books. --Phil | Talk 13:49, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
*Actually Phil, I have my soft-back copy of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone right here, and it says:
"Uniform
*First year students will require:
**1. Three sets of plain work robes (black)
**2. One plain pointed hat (black) for day wear
**3. One pair of protective glvoes (dragon hide or similar)
**4. One winter cloak (black, silver fastenings)
*Please note that all pupils' clothes should carry name tags"
It goes on to discuss the books pupils will need, their wands, and a short note about pets and broomsticks. It has four items that clealy say UNIFORM before them, and thus, are a school uniform. Billvoltage 04:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ABart, you aren't the only one. Starting in the third film, the children started to abandon their uniforms. This isn't relevant to the article, but yes, they started getting relaxed with their choice of costumes. It was likely done for the movie to relate the trio more to the audience of children. However, do note that the uniform note above says "First year students will require…" so it may be that after that it is no longer required. Still, it is an unfortunate liberty they took in the movies. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 21:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniform 

message: User:Lord Voldemort changed a link to the Portkey section in the article Magical objects in Harry Potter so that it now links to the main article and not the section. Was there a reason to do it? --Jotomicron | talk 30 June 2005 20:31 (UTC)
:Whoops, my mistake. I'll check on that. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 16:24, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed now. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 16:27, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  #Portkey 

message: While I'm sure the school is quite magical, the History of Magic classroom is probably on only one floor at a time, not the first and fourth simultaneously.
*The link given to the Harry Potter Lexicon lists it as being on the first floor, so I'm going with that. WayneC 05:04, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Magic classroom location? 

message: Would a floor directory similar to the one seen in the Ministry of Magic article be possible here? --BoboDaHobo 20:28, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, that list you mentioned is already compiled in book 5. A similar list for Hogwarts would have to be compiled by hand, and i don't think anyone is doing that... -- Jokes Free4Me 16:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Floor Directory? 

message: the article seems to imply that students need to pass exams to move up to the next year. This is not normally a feature of british education and I do not remember anything in the books suggesting it. rather, it seems more likely that you move up with your classmates despite your poor achievements.Sandpiper 21:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to score at a certain levels on the OWL for a subject to be allowed to move up to NEWT level classes in that subject.  Remember in book 6 when (SPOILER AHEAD SPOILER AHEAD SPOILER AHEAD) Harry almost wasn't able to take NEWT level Potions because while he'd passed, Snape only allowed top-scorring students into his NEWL level classes? --Icarus 03:39, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annual advancement 

message: It is mentioned that the school has a high degree of autonomy from the DES. Does that explain why I have been unable to discover its Ofsted report? Or does that mean that a better phrasing would be that it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the DES or any mainstream educational or governmental organisation. Sandpiper 22:10, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: lol, for a moment I thought you were serious! Cute :-) --Icarus 03:35, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm the author of the offending mention, just trying to keep the serious encyclopaedic tone we must try to maintain on Wikipedia ;). If anybody really objects, feel free to remove it, but I don't see anything wrong with the phrasing - the Muggle government is mentioned in HBP, so making clear what Hogwarts's relationship is with the Muggle DfES (DfES, by the way) seems fine to me. Perhaps a little wry, but can we really be 100% serious when this is an article about Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry? Peeper 10:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  DES??? 

message: *"the West Castle, which holds ... the Sario Hall..."
*"Ravenclaw is on the fourth floor facing the North Courtyard, and beside Fervens Hall and the Statue of Stela the Saviour."
Where do the Sario Hall and Fervens Hall come from? I don't remember them from any of the books.
I suppose it's possible for Ravenclaw to be on the west side of the castle but face the North Courtyard.
I'm just wondering if some of these details are taken from fanfic(s), rather than the actual books.
--158.152.22.26 02:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't remember a Sario Hall or Fervens Hall either, but they could be coming from the official video games or another legit source. I'd prefer a reference too, but I'm giving these the benefit of the doubt. --Icarus 07:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe these comments are current any longer (as I could find no reference to 'Sario' or 'Fervens' in the article), but nevertheless this points out precisely why citations are needed.  Especially for any obscure bits of trivia. fruitofwisdom 03:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fanfic? 

message: Somewhere I recall a discussion about the number of students, but I can't find it. Anyway, in HBP p379 uk, Hagrid says Yer expect accidents, don' yeh, with hundreds of under-age wizards all locked up tergether. Now, some languages use different words to differentiate number plurals, eg for 2 hundreds, or 3 hundreds or whatever. Maybe this doen't help much, but the phrasing in english would suggest at least 3 hundreds, i would think. Sandpiper 17:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your posts and assume good faith, or at least don't be grouchy. As I also said, please edit as you see fit. Personally, I don't think that getting all steamed up about how many students there are at Hogwarts is a particularly valuable exercise for the reader. This is a fictional universe, and there's no point trying to force a meaning out of JK Rowling's statements when she clearly does not have an absolutely correct answer in mind. But if the general consensus is to go ahead with some kind of speculative number, then fire away. I just feel that, given that finding a 'true' figure is both impossible and unnecessary, it is better to concentrate on making this a good article rather than a repository for every last attempt to squeeze factual information from what is, ultimately, amorphous fiction. Edit away. But please make sure that your sentence structure and tone are correct - this remains an encyclopaedia. Thanks. Peeper 19:15, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Student Numbers 

message: Victor Krum is a Bulgarian. He plays for the Bulgarian Quidditich Team. So surely, Durmstrang is a Bulgarian School.--M Johnson 01:37, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Location of Durmstrang

message: "Students are taught a range of subjects all based around the magical arts. None of the standard academic disciplines taught in Muggle institutions appears to be on the syllabus."
if i'm not mistaken, isn't arithmancy on the syllabus?
Arithmancy and Arithmetic are two different things altogether. --165.21.154.116 08:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  the syllabus might contain one muggle subject 

message: Doesn't the name "Hogwarts" sound like a reverse of the name "warthog"? 4.158.60.91 03:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: uh yeah wow.. I'm pretty sure you don't need an anagram finder to realize it's an anagram of warthogs. The words are already there.. anyway, what's your point? Isn't the more obvious reference Hog warts? As in warts on a hog/pig? Dan 23:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: The footnote to "signed up when born" in the summary table should point to #Enrollment_and_Arrival, not #endnote_enrolment [sic] as it currently does.  But I don't know how to fix it. Kenta2 05:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enrollment 

message: This is completely absurd. While it may not be useless, it's foolish to have it on this page taking up so much vertical space and little horizontal. I think we should create a new page for it and then link it. Dan 17:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Staff, past and present

message: The school logo, or blazon, has a copyright statement saying it is the logo of an organization and as such is OK to use.  However, I don't think this is appropriate, since (sadly) Hogwarts is not an actual organization.  Does anyone know who created the image and what the actual copyright status is?  If not, I think a note needs to be posted on the image page that it has a potential copyright problem. Mike Christie 12:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that the image you are talking about has been removed, but an image of the Hogwarts Crest would be great to have here.  I know that the Bloomsbury (British) editions have an image of the blazon at the beginning.  I'll scan it if someone will give me feedback on fair use rationale. Phi*n!x 20:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blazon copyright 

message: I notice that there are two sections that have "grounds" in their titles, and they seem to have somewhat redundant information at parts.  Perhaps someone should merge these.  
Also, it would be good to add an image to the infobox, such as the WB picture of Hogwarts, or maybe a Hogwarts crest.  If the Hogwarts crest were to go in the infobox, the same could probably be done with the Beauxbatons and Durmstrang, also; this would create better continuity across the WP:WPHP articles. Phi*n!x 21:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization

message: I added a cleanup tag because of a large number of problems in the way the article is laid out.
For example, Houses are mentioned throughout the article, but are only introduced and defined halfway through, possibly leading readers to wonder what Houses are until they get to that point. A large number of information is also repeated. I beleive the layout of this article needs to be seriously reconsidered. E946 05:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tag 

message: I heard "hogwarts" actually means a kind early medieval (black ages) earthen fortress. Many such fortifications were built by tribal english. The wizard school was probably built on the former site of one such construction, this is why it appears to be a ruin when seen by muggles. 195.70.32.136 09:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: JK Rowling herself has said that it comes from a flower. See . See her response to the question. "Do you put images from your dreams into your books?" --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 16:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of name is not from a flower! 

message: After seeing the disorganized state of the current article, I decided that it would be a good idea to completely rewrite this article. I set up a user subpage to edit behind the scenes. i'm more or less done, and I want to make sure nobody has a problem with it before I make the change (Which is why I put in the template)
There's only a few issues right now, including:
*Bad introduction
*Bad layout and grounds section
The new article can be found here. Please make any changes you want. In a week, I'll copy everything over to this article if nobody has any major objections.
E946 08:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: E946, if you don't mind, I'm going to make a few changes to your draft. You can of course revert or change them as you like, they're just things which were recently added to the article which are not present. Good work! --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 13:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Something to consider rewriting this article: I think that Wikipedia policy only allows one screenshot on a page, but the draft currently has 3.  I haven't seen this anywhere except as a note above the screenshots section under "licensing" on the upload page, and I'm not sure if this is a matter of copyright or of style.  Also, I added a link to the WikiProject talk page to alert the community.  Should the rewriting be noted anywhere else? -Phi*n!x 02:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard that, actually. I just saw a good picture of the sorting hat in another article so I added it. Where can we go to ask if it's okay? E946 05:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe has at least five screenshots or so. I don't know, though, if it's closely monitored. I think, if you go by the reasoning that it's to help illustrate the topic in question, it's considered fair use. The Sorting Hat, then, is fine, because you want to illustrate the Sorting ceremony. To ask, you should probably try the Village pump (technical). --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 13:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can to User talk:QuarterZ#Images. This user wanted User:AndyZ to upload an image of Snape (He didn't know how to at a time) and Andy didn't want to because there were to many screenshots there. Another one is the history of Ron Weasley where User:T-dot removed screenshots so there was very little and Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (film). Any articles having 2 or more screenshots; one needs to be removed. You can see WP:FUC for the violation rule. Carmelapple 14:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I see, WP:FUC doesn't specifically say that there should be only one screenshot, but that unfree images should be as limited as possible (rule #3).  I agree that the ways the images are being used on the Hogwarts draft are fine and legal, but I am curious if we can figure out what's up with the policy. (On a side note, the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe page has eight screenshots and I have suggested on its talk page that this be changed.)   Also, I have posted this before on this talk page: wouldn't a Hogwarts blazon be an appropriate image for the article?  I'll scan one from a Bloomsbury edition if I can get help with the fair use rationale. -Phi*n!x 17:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pretty much impossible to describe the blazon without a picture, you're not stopping them from selling any books, and you're not making a profit. There's your fair use. E946 09:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: Section 8.1 (Student Life > Food) ends with a lone closing bracket, despite there being no opening bracket preceding it. The article is locked, so I can't change it. Small issue, I know, but it looks untidy.31.51.57.80 (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Edenc1 • Talk 15:23, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bracket needs removal 

message: The Hogwarts Motto: "Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus" translates to 'Never Tickle a Sleeping Dragon'
196.213.212.91 (talk) 09:22, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Edenc1 • Talk 10:01, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 19 November 2012 

message: under Care of Magical Creatures "...Harry's first two years, the class is taken by Professor Silvanus Kettleburn"
change "taken" to "taught" 
71.56.34.31 (talk) 05:55, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 28 November 2012 

message: :I have suggested the merge of the Hogwarts subjects into this article. I have also written a Draft to give you an idea of how this article would look like without all the classrooms and offices and cruft, and with the subjects already merged. --Lord Opeth (talk) 19:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After 4 years, I think this should be discussed anew. I am reviewing this page for GA, and I believe that given the length and descriptions of each subject, and the uniqueness of Harry Potter school subjects in general, that Harry Potter subjects really do merit their own subject page. Simply listed on this page, in my mind, they are rather cumbersome. As such, I have created a Subjects at Hogwarts page.  But I have not removed the current subjects section, as I would like feedback. If I do not receive feedback within a few days time, though, I will proceed to remove the subjects section, and simply write a "for more, see.." or something like that. If I am given feedback against the new page, I will put that page up for deletion again. User:thedropsoffire|talk November 19, 2012  —Preceding undated comment added 06:22, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm against the new page. While I agree with the removal of the section in order to achieve GA status, I do not think that the subjects are as notable as other Harry Potter topics to merit a whole article for them. The Harry Potter Universe is covered by specific topics (Magic, Objects, Places, Creatures), while really notable individual topics have their own article (Quidditch with all its real world versions, the Ministry of Magic and its political commentary, and Hogwarts itself). Out of the many Hogwarts topics (subjects, staff, houses, founders, etc), only the Hogwarts Staff is notable enough to have its own page. The subjects should be discussed in the section, not as a list but as text and without in-universe information and fan cruft. The staff is already discussed in the Hogwarts staff article so there is no point to list, again, all DADA teachers or to mention incidental characters like Kettleburn or Vector. --LoЯd ۞pεth 07:16, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a reasonable suggestion. Perhaps we can merge the subjects page with another page in the Harry Potter Universe. I do not, however, think it merits a detailed description on the Hogwarts page, nor do I think the bits on subjects should be cut out entirely - they are useful descriptions and have many wikis linking in. So the task could then be to decide on the appropriate page to merge Subjects at Hogwarts with, and then make sure all the links are properly moved.  BR, --Thedropsoffire (talk) 07:40, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Having many wikis linking in has never been an argument to keep a page, it doesn't establish notability at all. The description I was suggesting is not a detailed one. I think that two or three paragraphs with sources and real-world commentary would be more useful and encyclopedic. If people want to know every single detail on those subjects, they should probably go to the Harry Potter Wikia. Many years ago we had lots of crufty lists, i.e. a lists of every single classroom and room in the Hogwarts castle, or lists of Hufflepuffs, Ravenclaws,  etc. Since those were in-universe-only articles and lists, they were trimmed and merged. If you needed to remove the list of subjects in order to improve the Hogwarts article, perhaps it is because the list of subjects itself does not fit Wikipedia standards in any form (individual article, section, table, etc.) --LoЯd ۞pεth 17:53, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subjects 

message: I think that, in order to achieve GA status, we should remove that section, or to re-write it entirely to meet encyclopedic criteria. As it is right now, it is pure in-universe and fan-cruft. Most of the characters on that list do not even have a section in the List of supporting Harry Potter characters, which means they are irrelevant. I tried to remove that section but one user said that people "may need" that information. I think that if people want fan-cruft lists, they should go to the Harry Potter Wikia or any other fansite. Thoughts? --LoЯd ۞pεth 07:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, good riddance.  Cruft on HP-related articles grows faster than bamboo in the monsoon. On the other hand there should probably be a description of the headmaster's office and the business with the portraits in there as that's quite iconic.  Mezigue (talk) 18:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Portraits are already detailed in the Magic in HP article. As far as I recall, headmasters' portraits are mentioned there. --LoЯd ۞pεth 19:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Heads" subsection 

message: The dates on Dumbledore's term for headmaster conflict with Dolores Umbridge's. His for that year needs to end 1996, not 1997. Also, Headmaster Black was of Slytherin house. This was referenced many times in the Deathly Hallows.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.8.40.20 (talk) 14:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pol430 talk to me 23:47, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 30 November 2012 

message: Hey, I need some help/advising to fix that School Template for Hogwarts. Honestly it looks bad and I'd like for someone to help fix it.  §haun 9∞76 ༆ 01:57, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you explain what you think is wrong with it?  Earlier you put a real school template, which is not appropriate so I changed it back. (Sorry for not saying anything about it on the talk page - I hadn't spotted the discussion above.) Mezigue (talk) 12:40, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

text: OK, so: a real school template is not appropriate because it is not a real school. For the same reason, it is fine to have the various headmasters listed by book.  Unlike in a real school, there isn't one headmaster *now* and former headmasters.  I wouldn't think the classes are necessary in the infobox either because they are detailed in the article and would rather clog up the box.  What does everyone think?  On the other hand, the picture used now is a bit big.  Perhaps we could move it down to the first section and replace it with the seal.  Finally, 'enrolment' is actually correct - it's the British spelling of the word.  But you're right, the second part of that section is superfluous there.Mezigue (talk) 10:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's smaller now and in response to the headmaster/books thing, why not have books, and years they were head.  §haun 9∞76 ༆ 01:51, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  It says now what book they are headmaster in.  Having it by year is not really necessary.  There are almost never any years given in the books, I think the tombstones in the final book and N-H Nick's death date are the only years ever mentioned. Mezigue (talk) 09:31, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok! Makes sense... Anyway good job, it looks a lot better in my opinion.  §haun 9∞76 ༆ 15:44, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Template 

message: The link under School Location and Information for "The Weasleys' House" redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Weasley when it should redirect to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Places_in_Harry_Potter#The_Burrow
Any help in this regard would be appreciated.
(Mocon19 (talk) 13:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Edenc1 • Talk 15:31, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Burrow Link Repair 

message: In the Houses section, the "mottoes" should be removed completely.
:The Gryffindor motto is "Their daring, nerve and chivalry set Gryffindors apart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts#Gryffindor
:The Hufflepuff motto is "Those patient Hufflepuffs are true and unafraid of toil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts#Hufflepuff
These supposed "mottoes" are just blurbs from the first Sorting Hat song.
:The Ravenclaw motto is "Wit beyond measure is man's greatest treasure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts#Ravenclaw
:The Slytherin motto is "Slytherin will help you on your way to greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts#Slytherin
None of the Hogwarts houses have official mottoes. 
Zekethegypsy (talk) 05:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Evanesco! Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 11:08, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request on 4 December 2013

message: Please edit the phrase:
The Ministry of Magic's efforts to take control of the school in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix imply that it is a publicly funded school, though no mention of where the Ministry receives its funds is made.
Reason: No, this, besides being unsourced, does not happen to be implied at all - unless we follow the prejudice that the State will naturally shrink back from controlling everything it does not fund. This is simply not the case; and, in addition, the very reverse is true: the very efforts prove that the Ministry does not have complete control.
Solution: either delete the sentence completely.
Or: Something along the lines of (I'll give a suggestion, admittedly somewhat speculative, but no more so than the current version and other than it correct):
The school is goverened by a collective board of "governors" who elect the Headmaster (see Chamber of Secrets). The election of governors is never mentioned. As to the school's funding, there is a suggestion that it was initially provided for from the Founder's private wealth; at any rate students do not pay any fees (although they do pay for material, unless indigent). It cannot be ruled out that it receives ministerial subsidies, yet it is apparently not a state school, as the independence of the Governors from the Ministry (in Chamber of Secrets) prove. The Ministry does try at times (as in Order of the Phoenix) to subject the school to itself by rule by decree, but only achieves this goal under the dominion of Voldemort (in Deathly Hallows).
Note: already touched in the talk page by a request of the dear user Copilot602, answered in the affirmative by myself under probably a different IP address.
2001:A60:1531:EA01:A9F7:9DAB:3D4B:E3F (talk) 13:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have deleted all that - it was speculation as you point out.  Mezigue (talk) 13:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014 

message: The image of the Hogwarts model used in this article has the caption of "A studio model of Hogwarts at Leavesden Studios" 
The model on display is the final model that was constructed for the film series (used in movie 6 only) as the last film only used a completely 3D CGI version of the castle. 
I have proceeded to change to caption to read "A studio model of Hogwarts at Leavesden Studios used in the 6th film adaptation" However user @Kirin13 demands a source saying otherwise. I have provided evidence of the castle changes throughout the films course, yet its not "sufficient" for this user. These details can be seen here: User_talk:Kirin13
 
Can another user please help back up my "correct" claim so the correct caption can be used for the image.
Here is another reference.
http://www.wbstudiotour.co.uk/de/die-tour/-
— Preceding unsigned comment added by B.Davis2003 (talk • contribs) 09:20, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What you posted on my talk page was WP:OR and direct links to random images all without any sources. The first source you've given was the link above, which basically says model was used in all the films. Per your source, "The Hogwarts castle model ... built for the first film ... was then rebuilt and altered many times over for the next seven films." The fact the model was altered through the films was never in dispute. Kirin13 (talk) 21:18, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hogwarts Castle Image caption. 

message: The settings for the Hogwarts scenes are hardly even mentioned in passing in the article, as far as I can see. I couldn't believe my eyes; I believe they are enough sought after to deserve their own heading, whether on-location, studio or something else. One location seems to be Alnwick Castle
(). 83.253.1.17 (talk) 01:22, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 7 December 2014: film settings 

message: Hello! I haven't heard that Nynorsk keeps "Hogwarts" instand of "Galtvort" (norsk bokmål), is this true? Is there a source for this? Sorry for bad english. --Silver Stone (talk) 12:13, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not as of this writing. Nynorsk has "Galtvort" just as bokmål (). Should be recitfied of course. 83.253.1.17 (talk) 01:54, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  " Nynorsk keeps "Hogwarts" " 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Hogwarts's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "IGN":
From Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (video game): 
From Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (video game): 
From Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 (video game): 
From Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (video game): 
From The Wizarding World of Harry Potter (Universal Orlando Resort): 
From Kaboom (Parks and Recreation): 
From Harry Potter: Quidditch World Cup: 
From Lego Harry Potter: Years 1–4: 
From Stephen Colbert (character): Ken P (August 11, 2003). An Interview With Stephen Colbert. IGN. Retrieved on August 15, 2007.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:15, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Hogwarts]] 

message: Under the section for the four houses, it offers only a checker-pattern of the house colours to act as a crest. Shouldn't these be replaces with the individual house crests from the film versions? They are more recognizable as such. Iheartthestrals (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Showing the crests used in the films would go against Wikipedia's fair use policy. The article already includes two non-free images. Four more would be a bit too much. Moreover, it wouldn't significantly improve readers' understanding of the topic either - they would just be visual identifiers. There isn't really a reason to use that here. ~Mable (chat) 09:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  House crests 

message: Most people know this book as Molesworth or The Compleet Molesworth, when several books were published together. Should be a note here? Slightnostalgia (talk) 06:23, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find a reliable source stating this? If not, than probably not. ~Mable (chat) 10:37, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

text: As the sources say that the book in question in "How To be Topp", then as any fule kno, we should use those titles, not others.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 22:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to be Topp 

message: In the Houses section, I suggest changing:
The houses compete throughout the school year, by earning and losing points for various events, for the House Cup...
to:
The houses compete throughout the school year for the House Cup by earning and losing points for various actions...
As I think that it makes the sentence's meaning clearer. Owlcon53 (talk) 21:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, and done.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request  

message: So-sorafiq (talk) 13:43, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: No request was made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:01, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2016 

message: Peachesrcool7 (talk) 22:31, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 02:05, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2017 

message: Under the Discipline header, it says that the Hufflepuff house jewels are Topazes, but JK Rowling herself has stated that it's actually diamonds. 24.55.137.161 (talk) 09:55, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 10:17, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2017 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Education in the UK is compulsory - attendance at Hogwarts is not.  The reference to "Education at Hogwarts is not compulsory, with some students being home schooled as stated in the seventh book" is therefore misleading and incorrect.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:38, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education not compulsory? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: in the Forbidden forest sction, should be added- the creatures of the forest, as stated by various books include the following- a herd of territorial centaurs, a collection of Acromantulas ie giant flesh-eating spiders, werewolves, trolls and Hagrid's pet herc of Thestrals. In book 2, it is said flesh-eating slugs infest cabbage-patches, kelpies infest wells. in book 5, it is said birds are found too. 150.107.177.111 (talk) 06:56, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2018 

message: "Models of Alnwick Castleand and" 
Please fix.
: Done - Well spotted.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  typo 

message: User:Tvurta, who has been adding questionable material to several HP pages (some unsourced, some apparently from fan fiction pages, and some challenged) added seven Headmasters to the infobox:
 Phyllida Spore(1391 - 1408). Eddessa Skanderberg (1490 - 1503), Heliotrope Wilkins (1531 - 1560), Elizabeth Burke (1600 - 1615), Dilys Derwent (1741 - 1768), Eupraxia Mole (1870 - 1879). Brutus Scrimgeour (1895 - 1899)
They are not sourced. Does someone have a proper reliable citation for these additions? If not, they should be removed. Magidin (talk) 16:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed them.  If a source can be found, they can go back in, but we're not playing that C/N game again...  Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:11, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you; all the hits I get on the web are fan sites... Magidin (talk) 17:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for list of headmasters 

message: Although it appears to be located in the North of Scotland, Hogwarts resembles English state schools in many respects, and English Public (i.e. private) Schools in others: possibly due to its' supranational intake. The most obvious difference is that pupils join at age 11 years, as they do in English state schools (after six years of muggle primary education) whereas Scottish secondary schoolchildren start at 12 years, after Primary Seven. 
Houses exist in muggle state schools, but are ignored by all except the sport-mad: they count for more in the Public School system, especially at Eton.
The first public examination, which  takes place after five years, is the OWLs, or Ordinary Wizarding Levels: which recall the former 'O' Levels of England more than the contemporary Scottish 'O' Grade exams. The next public exams, the NEWTS, come two years later, like the English 'A' levels, whereas Scottish muggles have Highers a year later and Advanced Highers the following year.   
The head teacher of Hogwarts is called the Headmaster, as in most English schools, whereas the head of a similarly grand establishment in Scotland would be called the Rector.
The business about excluding muggle-borns and half-bloods during Voldemort's reign resembles the attempt to expel pupils who weren't Jewish enough (their mothers had been converted by a Reform rather than an Orthodox Rabbi) from a school in London while J K Rowling was writing the later books. NRPanikker (talk) 21:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk pages are for discussing improvements to the article, not for general discussion of the topic. Are you proposing improvements, or are you just expounding? To be added to the page, you would need to provide reliable, verifiable citations, which the above conspicuously lacks... 04:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I am suggesting points for inclusion in the article, if other readers agree. All of this stuff is well known in Scotland, and could probably be supported by citations from the educational literature, except for the Jewish school in London (was it the Hasmonean High School?) which was reported in the English papers and may require a stack of old Jewish Chronicles or else court reports to verify. NRPanikker (talk) 17:42, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay... but you drawing the parallels constitutes original research; what you need is verifiable, reliable sources that draw the parallels, not primary sources that verify your underlying assertions. Magidin (talk) 18:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good that Wikipedia is patrolled by experienced Thought Police, since many users such as myself lack sufficient crimestop to avoid inadvertently slipping into thoughtcrime. NRPanikker (talk) 12:02, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: @ - please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia guidelines, specifically WP:OR and WP:FORUM, before making further additions. --Michail (blah) 16:17, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Having undergone the prescribed penance, I can now see that WP:OR says, inter alia, "This policy of no original research does not apply to talk pages" and WP:FORUM, "Article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles." My plea in mitigation is that the entry above was written in the hope that a passing Scottish Potterhead might have the energy to dig up official sources on the differences between the two systems of education, not to attract the attentions of a patrolling WikiPrefect. NRPanikker (talk) 18:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Education in Scotland 

message: Change 18 to 17 216.56.54.2 (talk) 16:54, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you be more specific? Which "18" to 17, and why? Magidin (talk) 18:31, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2019 

message: This is my first time making a suggestion for an edit so please excuse me if I do not do this correctly.
I am a model railroader. I've been doing research on the "Olton Hall." I recently found out that Hornby is coming out with the GWR 4-6-0 "Olton Hall" 4900 Hall Class sometime in 2014. I believe it is OO scale. Here is a link to their order screen for the actual train: http://www.hornby.com/shop/2013-range/railroad/r3169-gwr-olton-hall-5900-hall-class/
Cinnamoncheryl (talk) 18:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Cinnamoncheryl. That does indeed look quite like the Hogwarts Express, but to conclude that it really is the Hogwarts Express would be speculation. It would count as original research, which we have a policy not to include. What we would need is a reliable source stating in so many words that the Hogwart Express is based on such-and-such a model. Regards, --Stfg (talk) 10:55, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hogwarts Express edit 

message: Why exactly is the following included? 
In response to the query, "[D]o you think there are a lot of LGBT students in modern age Hogwarts? I like to imagine they formed an LGBT club," Rowling replied, "But of course."[17]
Maybe we could mention that JK Rowling has not confirmed whether ot not nob-binary people who use they/them or xe/xir pronouns attend Hogwarts.
What do you think?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardScales7 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to "LGBT". Why?... 

message: The  of the article says . I believe this can be improved.
The Columbia University says that Hogwarts is located on the Highlands of Scotland region , although they don't say where they got this information (maybe from a fan wiki?)
Also, this fan analysis disagrees with the Dufftown information, and says that .
I believe the Highland information should be included. I'm not sure about the fan analysis thought, but I thought i should bring it here to discussion. Mateussf (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hogwarts location 

message: Does it really need to still be locked??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.11.228.249 (talk) 01:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Unlock please

message: I would like to Edit "Hogwarts" article so I can add notable Hufflepuffs, Slytherins, Ravenclaws, and Gryffindors. Carrot Cake Cats (talk) 16:00, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 16:01, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2020 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not Moved. (WP:SNOWCLOSE).  Station1 (talk) 17:46, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hogwarts →  – The full name, still commonly used. This is like Princeton University which is not titled Princeton. Kailash29792 (talk)  07:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 30 September 2021