Talk:Israel/Archive 7

message: Should there be such a topic at all?     I mean Peace who needs it!
--Leonakselrad 17:13, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Topic to be called :Peace Options for the Middle East 

message: "Israel is formally at war with Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon. A 1973 armistice agreement governs relations with its most immediate military adversary, Syria, and a de facto armistice persists with the other states as well. The chances for peace negotiations and/or full diplomatic relations with most Arab nations appear a more likely prospect once an independent Palestinian Entity is established."
I don't know, but is Isreal still formally at war with Iraq since the invasion and the installation of the new regime?   69.250.25.213 03:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See here Ramallite (talk) 03:32, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, hard, if not suicidal. Mithal al-Alusi's sons were murdered outside his home in February (the bullets were meant for him.) I hope he can succeed in his aims. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:51, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure that your first reason is a good one.  States can renounce war but still do it.  However, I agree with your conclusion that there is a problem with the "formally at war" claim.  I think it would be more correct to say "informally".  They fought against each other and didn't kiss and make up yet.  Both the Jordan-Israel and Egypt-Israel peace treaties speak of ending the state of war, IIRC.  --Zero 13:39, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: War Status

message: I just RV'd some changes that 68.235.169.70 put in place, I took the liberty of changing some "gramatical" changes back to where they were. I personally don't think some of the phonetics this user used are globally accepted, such as the "Iyy" for the "Iud" sound in "Iyar". I left "Herzliyyah" unchanged, but I'd like to form some kind of consensus before undertaking the task. I was refrained of reversing all the changes from "day month" (ie: 5 Iyar) back to where they were, like "Month, Day" (Iyar, 5) more in accord with the english nomenclature. Unless somebody expresses their disconform here within a couple of days, I'll go ahead and put them back as they were. --Sebastian Kessel 21:51, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I RV'd "Herzliyah" to "Herzliya". Although one could say there should be a double 'y' there, the general spelling should be that way. Another thing: Is it just me, or that using dates like September 01 looks ridiculis? one digit-date should appear September 1.. we are not computers .. (same goes for Tishrei 01 and etc..) --VICTOR 08:57, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some dates and phonetics 

message: I have reduced the size of the article from 55 to 38kb by
*editing the History section, particularly the detailed accounts of the various wars, which belong in the relevant specialist articles
*deleting all the stuff about political parties and coalitions etc, which belongs in Politics of Israel.
*deleting some material from the Military and Geography sections which belongs in specialist articles or repeats earlier material.
Adam 11:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuts

message: Anyone notice that the map shows Israel containing Gaza and not containing the West Bank/Judea and Samaria?  Seems a bit POV to me (though a mixed POV).
--23:17, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, I think the pixel for Gaza is missing. I envy your eagle vision though. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 00:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, is Sheba Farms shaded in or not? And the borders seem to include Taba. Perhaps this is why eight pixel maps of countries are not used to determine international borders. --Goodoldpolonius2 01:06, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  map 

message: It seems very strange to me that self-described terrorists cant be described as such to the point of censorship. Ive just noticed on the wikipedia entry for 'stern gang' their called 'terrorist'-so theres a form of schizophrenia in wikipedia- however if thats what you want Im not going to argue it just that reality is being denied Eric A. Warbuton 06:08, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The introduction refers to actions by groups on both sides; singling out just one group is POV, and needless detail in a summary article.  As well, Wikipedia prefers the term "militant" as more neutral than "terrorist". Jayjg (talk) 06:25, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: terrorist vs. militant

message: The page is protected but the motto has somehow disappeared, I think in the last edit by User:Toya. Can somebody with access put it back?
:Israel don't have national motto! Toya 15:56, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, but in any event, a note here before doing it would've been nice. --Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:59, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

text: no motto. just see the Hebrew version of this page. Deror 08:13, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm an Israeli and I've never heard of anything such as an Israeli motto. The removed "im tirzu, ein zo agada" was the motto of Herzl's Altneuland, it has become a popular Zionist slogan, but I've never heard it is Israel's motto.--Doron 13:13, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  So that's where I've heard it before.  Unless someone can find some sort of official statement that the Altneuland motto was adopted by Israel, I think we should keep it out.  --Zero 06:43, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Look what i've found . This is curious... maybe somebody living in Israel can shed some light? --Sebastian Kessel Talk 23:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't got a clue--Doron 06:02, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again - no official moto. The flag anthem and symbol are set by Knesset legislation. NO legislation re moto. Deror 10:06, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto