Talk:German Wine Route

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thread_title: CONTENT STOLEN

message: Weinstraße → Wine road, wine route, or something else
Per WP:BOLD, the article has been split and I have copy edited and added content.  The current article now deals solely with the route in Palatinate (cf. :de:Deutsche Weinstraße), retains the edit history of the original article, and is titled German Wine Route.  A new disambiguation article has been created at Wine route (cf. :de:Weinstraße).  If one wishes, a third article can be created at Weinstraße (region) to cover the region around the wine route within the Palatinate (cf. :de:Weinstraße (Pfalz)).  Please continue to discuss the preferred page name below. —  AjaxSmack   23:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For what reason should the page be moved? So far, you have given no justification. --Stemonitis 06:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no interest in the move at all.  I was undoing a cut-and-paste move by another user and thought I would give that user the courtesy of making space for disucssion.  I'm more concerned that the article is shite and that Weinstraße and Deutsche Weinstraße are not differentiated. —  AjaxSmack    16:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no interest in the move at all.  I was undoing a cut-and-paste move by another user.  I'm more concerned that the article is shite and that Weinstraße and Deutsche Weinstraße are not differentiated but it is possible that "Weinstraße" is not the best title.  English users are not likely to enter "Weinstraße" as the primary search term due to lack of ß on most keyboards but that is not the only consideration.  —  AjaxSmack    16:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :For what reason should the page be moved? So far, you have given no justification. --Stemonitis 06:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no interest in the move at all.  I was undoing a cut-and-paste move by another user and thought I would give that user the courtesy of making space for disucssion.  I'm more concerned that the article is shite and that Weinstraße and Deutsche Weinstraße are not differentiated. —  AjaxSmack    16:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Renaming the article without discussion is 'merely' discourteous, and I guess it is important to separate knee-jerk irration triggered by the discourtesy of the action from objective consideration of the underlying issues.
   
My second reaction is to wonder why anyone should care enough EITHER to rename the thing OR to discuss it given the scope for incorporating redirects:  but it seems I do (care enough).   
To me 'Wine Road', 'Wine Street' etc sound plain silly: but the more important question concerns which title is more likely to be entered to the search window by folks looking to learn more about the Weinstrasse.   In that context, it seems to me that the objectively curious are far more likely to be looking to find out 'what the bleep is a Weinstrasse'? than to find out 'what is a wine road'?   For my part, I never heard anyone mention a 'Wine Road' till ... yesterday.   Titles that don't relate to words used in the real world by folks with an interest in the subject will tend to alienate readers.   I don't pretend to understand all the titles of the bio-sciences articles that appear in wiki, but I don't deduce from that that they need to be renamed so that they fit in with the limitations of my personal educational restrictions:  instead, time permitting, I read and try to learn something.   The words 'road' and 'street' and 'route' have additional complications for English speakers, because (like 'town' and 'city') they carry differently nuanced meanings depending whether you learned your English in the US or the UK or, where you learned English as a foreign language, who you learned it from (ok then, 'from whom you learned it' if you don't like your prepositions dangling).
Of course, there may be powerful reasons to rename the article:  I just wish someone could take the trouble to spell these out for the rest of us.
This next thought may be deemed disrespectful:  it is not so intended.   But ... I wonder if the change to Wine Road was introduced by someone who endorses the interesting observation that the French have no word for entrepreneur. 
RegardsCharles01 08:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no interest in the move at all.  I was undoing a cut-and-paste move by another user.  I'm more concerned that the article is shite and that Weinstraße and Deutsche Weinstraße are not differentiated but it is possible that "Weinstraße" is not the best title.  English users are not likely to enter "Weinstraße" as the primary search term due to lack of ß on most keyboards but that is not the only consideration.  —  AjaxSmack    16:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote for Weinstrasse

message: Per WP:BOLD, the article has been split and I have copy edited and added content.  The current article now deals solely with the route in Palatinate (cf. :de:Deutsche Weinstraße), retains the edit history of the original article, and is titled German Wine Route.  A new disambiguation article has been created at Wine route (cf. :de:Weinstraße).  If one wishes, a third article can be created at Weinstraße (region) to cover the region around the wine route within the Palatinate (cf. :de:Weinstraße (Pfalz)).  Please continue to discuss the preferred page name. —  AjaxSmack   23:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Further discussion