Talk:Alpha Phi Omega/2006

message: A new category for Wikipedians in Alpha Phi Omega has been created to allow individual members of Alpha Phi Omega to identify themselves on their personal talk pages, in order to enhance communication among those brothers that contribute to wikipedia. To add yourself to the category, click on the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Alpha_Phi_Omega or the link at the bottom of the page and follow the instructions at the top of that page. Dr. Cash 20:34, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The new thing seems to be User Boxes.  Any thought on an APO User Box?  --Emb021 20:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User Box made, see below. Naraht 23:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text:  For user box put  on your page. Naraht 23:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedians in Alpha Phi Omega Category

message: Is our claim to be the largest Fraternity based on the addition of the approximately half a million brothers in APO-Phil or not? Also, in my opinion, the count of 350 chapters needs to be proceded by the the caveat of in the US, since there are about 150 chapters in APO-Phil, any suggestions here?
Naraht 09:03, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you have to say Fraternity here, *not* GLO. I took a look at the History Honorary Phi Alpha Theta. They are up to Alpha Lambda Sigma (at least) and I think they letter the same way we do. Naraht 01:31, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Usually when people are speaking of 'largest fraternity', they are only speeking of social/general GLO.  All non-socials are left out.  --Emb021 16:40, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest Fraternity - Bornyesterday's changes. 

message: I sent to the Section 45 chair and the Region VII director asking whether Dillard is all-male. I'm pretty sure it reactivated post 1986, which means it should be co-ed, but I don't know what's going on there. Naraht 09:09, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Chi Upsilon chapter at Dillard was chartered on May 23, 1971, and rechartered on November 5, 1988, according to the national office database. Since they were rechartered in 1988, after 1976, there is no possible way that they can be classified as an all-male chapter. Dr. Cash 15:14, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't the 1976 agreement that kept chapters from coming back all-male, it is National Board policy that was done in 1986. That having been said, Dillard must have rechartered with both Men and Women. However, I do not know whether there are currently any women who are brothers at Dillard, thus the letters I sent to the Regional Director and Sectional Chair. If I haven't gotten email back from either of them by Monday or Tuesday, I'll call the national Office.Naraht 19:21, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dillard 

message: After talking it over on email with the Regional Director for the region that includes Wabash College and another APhiO Wikipedian, the concensus among the three of us is to delete Wabash from the list of all-male chapters. This is done in co-ordination with changing the description of the table to include only those chapters at co-education institutions. I know that this deletion has happened a couple of times anonymously, but I think this represents a decision that we can work with. Please post here if you have objections to this change. Naraht 18:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with it. Maybe a brief note to indicate that it does exist though? Bornyesterday 21:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thought about it, but not sure. Delta Omicron @ Wabash and Alpha Chi @ MIT (just for an example) are both recruiting from their student bodies without regards to gender. We don't even know if the Delta Omicron chapter by-laws or opinion of their brothers would cause them to pledge and initiate women if the school did go co-ed ten years from now... As for now it doesn't matter. Naraht 13:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An anonymous user, 161.32.90.203, re-added Wabash College to the list of all-male chapters at co-educational campuses list. I reverted this, since Wabash College itself is not a co-educational campus. The IP address is an on-campus IP address belonging to Wabash College. Dr. Cash 19:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of Wabash from all-male list. 

message: At the NVC this past weekend, I had an interesting discussion with the Region VII Director, who talked about Sigma Pi Chapter at Prairie View A&M. She said that the chapter had just initiated their first female member (affectionately referred to as the, "first lady.") and as such is no longer an all-male chapter. Dr. Cash 17:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fascinating. I know the chapter took on a line of 10 this last spring which is more than they have had in a long time, maybe having their "first lady" is part of it. The school's website doesn't help. One document has Alpha Phi Omega listed as a co-ed group, the other as an all-male group, with no indication of which is earlier. Naraht 20:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Prairie View A&M

message: The school Handbook for 2006-2007 lists them as clearly being open to both men and women. Given that, I don't think it's deletion is out of line. I'd like to have more solid proof, but for now... Naraht 01:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of Hardin Simmons

message: I didn't assume that those without pages were not worthy, however; those contributors adding the persons name can add the person's page even if its only a stub.  My thinking was that this is an article and should contain the list of every member which would eventually overpower.  But the heading is notable, and if the person has done something noteworthy, why can't a page be added with such noteworthy info. I have no problem with it reverting back.  Ccson 19:25, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it is a fine line, but there are some that I count as Notable that don't have enough information to have a page created for that won't be (quite rightly) proposed for deletion. Naraht 15:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The list of brothers is too long and should be categorized like all of the other fraternity/sorority pages. Lesanichelle 04:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Alumni

message: So the current list (as of 10 Mar 2006) of 16 PGs is
*Husson (I,94)
*Western Carolina (III,79)
*UAlabama-Huntsville (IV,69)
*Florida International University (IV,74)
*College of Mount St. Joseph (V,56)
*Ohio University Lancaster (V,59)
*Lake Forest College (VI,51)
*DePaul University (VI,51)
*DePauw University (VI,52)
*Grand Valley State University (VI,53)
*Lake Superior State University (VI,55)
*University of Kansas (VIII,34)
*Lincoln University (VIII,35)
*Lindenwood University (VIII, 49)
*University of Alaska Southeast Juneau (XI,8)
*Western Washington University (XI,8)
Right?
:According to this list, I am counting 15 Petitioning Groups and 18 Interest Groups. Lake Superior State University is the one that is missing from the official list; I guess Nationals hasn't updated their database, yet. Dr. Cash 21:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And as Brother stratton commented when he updated the main page from 15 to 16, that LSSU wasn't there yet. 
This does lead to the question of how accurate the counts of petitioning groups (and interest groups?) need to be on the page. Do any of the social greeks update more than once a semester?
Naraht 21:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Miami Dade College-North Campus (IV, 74) has been a PG since April of 2005.  I should know, I'm one of their sponsors.  --Emb021 23:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand, but I think the only way that we can keep that number on the page is to go from a consistent source, the database generating the pages on the National website. That list shows MDC as an interest group. I'll try to call the national office on Monday to see if I can get them to correct that.Naraht 01:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current PG List. 

message: I've created  from the phi kappa theta user template. There are three places where colors are used, bordering the image, around the text part of the box and the "This user is". I have used yellow, blue and blue respectively, but other combinations may be better. Naraht 14:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Box 

message: Just as an FYI, the Alpha Phi Alpha article is today's featured article for July 25, 2006. Reviewing it might offer some of our editors some guidelines on how to improve the APO article. Dr. Cash 01:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, though I'm not sure who exactly counts as our editors... I'm in the group, I guess, but no really official list... Naraht 12:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, there's no 'official' list. But I suppose there are a small group of dedicated people that have the page on their personal watch list and visit the talk page periodically,... Dr. Cash 16:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of repeat editors (other than vandals) seem to be the three of us. Bornyesterday 16:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is software  that will go through a page and count all of the editors. The non-anonymous editors with more than three edits in order of number of edits is Naraht, Derek.cashman, Rmhermen, Bornyesterday, emb021 & mastratton. Naraht 19:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm going to try to duplicate the Alpha Phi Alpha General President template over the next week. What title do people like "Alpha Phi Omega National President" or "Alpha Phi Omega (USA) National President"? (Or something else). Naraht 19:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I was bored waiting for some stuff to come up at work. Naraht 20:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmm, that's cool! Maybe have another template that says, "Alpha Phi Omega (Philippines) National President." Make that one with a blue border instead of yellow,... ;-) Dr. Cash 00:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK... Though I will say that this one was *much* tougher to nail down. Eventually found a list of who was elected at each convention up until 1999 (with midterm substitutions) and had to go looking all over the web for the most recent 3(elected in 2001,2003 and 2005) Naraht 03:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alpha Phi Alpha article

message: While the lists of notable alumni & honorary members are notable, they are getting a bit long, to the point where a significant amount of the article about Alpha Phi Omega is just a list of notable alumni & honorary members. In accordance with Wikipedia's list guidelines, it might be a good idea to separate these out into a separate article or two, linked via a 'see also' section. Any thoughts? Dr. Cash 18:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is probably a good idea, as is splitting the list by area of notability. I finally figured out the subconcious (sp?) reason why I haven't been in favor of in the past. I'd rather keep the list of the all-male chapters as far from the top of the article as possible. Hopefully if we add enough history, it won't be as far up... BTW, Since the National Office has given verbal carte blance for the National History book to be used for any fraternity related purpose, I think we can copy it without a problem. Naraht 19:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, that's funny! The second thing I was going to bring up after looking at the Alpha Phi Alpha article was to add a 'history' subsection and more details about our history,... ;-) Of course, this will probably eventually lead to a 'History of Alpha Phi Omega' subarticle as well, but that's fine, I guess,... Dr. Cash 21:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Cool. What I *want* is someone (Preferably an APO-Phil brother) to create an APO-Phil page... Naraht 11:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists of notable alumni

message: *Arvin Christian P.Luna (Alpha Chi-Honorary), Founder of the Manila, Philippines based brotherhood, A.C.E.S. c.2000
This was added in late July 2006 by a non-registered user. Any idea who this is? Only other mention I can find is where the name was added to the disambiguation list for Luna (Which I am also reverting). (unsigned comment left by Naraht -oops)
:Google gives nothing on any combination of the parts of that name. Bornyesterday 14:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arvin Christian P. Luna? 

message: I've added the new Secretary of Defense nominee, Robert Gates, to the list of notable alumni. In addition to being the nominee, he's also the President of Texas A&M University and the former director of the CIA, both of which are notable for being added to the list. Dr. Cash 17:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd sent the news articles that I'd seen that in to the National Office, but they didn't confirm until after you put it up. I'd count each of the three (Dir of CIA, Texas A&M Pres and nomination as SecDef) as being good enough on their own to add him to the list. Naraht 18:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Robert Gates