Talk:Bay of Gibraltar

message: The tides in Gibraltar Bay seem very mild compared to UK perhaps some explanation of local tides could be provided.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.208.204.151 (talk) 08:07, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tides 

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Thank you for the WP:BOLD revision, but I have reverted this, as there are no references and a cursory search on Google shows >41x the pages referencing "Bay of Gibraltar".  Please follow the WP:BRD process and discuss here. Rmosler | ●  22:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
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message: :Spain does not recognise British claims of sovereignty in the area save for a small portion around the Port of Gibraltar, but the UK has asserted a normal 3 nmi (5.6 km; 3.5 mi) limit around Gibraltar, with a demarcation in the middle of the bay. This claim contradicts the treaty of Utrecht of 1713, by which Spain ceded to Great Britain the city and port of Gibraltar and the internal waters of that port, without granting any territoriality over the surrounding waters in the Bay of Algeciras.
The Treaty of Utrecht (English text) says nothing about ownership of the waters. Since the article in the Hydrographic Journal which is given as the source says only that this is the position of the Spanish government, we can't assert that the British claim contradicts the Treaty. Maybe it does, but we're going to need a better source than this. Marnanel (talk) 12:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You are quite correct, the Treaty of Utrecht existed before the concept of territorial waters was normalised by International Law under the auspices of the United Nations.  A more accurate statement is indeed this is the position of the Spanish Government.  It would also be worth noting that both HMG and GOG have suggested resolution via the ICJ but Spain rejected this. WCMemail 13:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradicting the Treaty of Utrecht