Talk:Juma al-Dossary

message: JM, wikipedia is a community.  If you make an extensive edit, the rest of us expect you to offer an explanation.
Please make a greater effort to respect the community by doing this.
Editing to add commas, or to rephase awkward passages, to make them clearer, of course does not require discussion.  --  Geo Swan 12:15, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: The edits by 209.178.164.237  are done by Joaquin Murietta. Somehow got bounced out while logged in. 209.178.164.237 17:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: George, we are all tired of cleaning up your articles. Please take a look at this one and clean up the obvious grammatical and spelling errors. Much obliged. Joaquin Murietta 07:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done a bit of work on the article and removed the cleanup tag, which I feel is unnecessary. I don't know what spelling errors you were referring to Joaquin. Apart from American English spelling, (which I have left intact), I found none. --Cactus.man ✍ 11:32, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What on earth are you talking about JM? Please stop re-posting the contents of articles to talk pages. If you think the article has faulty grammar or awkwardly constructed sentences, FIX THE PROBLEM. There is no point in cross posting the article contents here with bits of bold text emblazoned across the page. I just can't follow your argument with this type of message. --Cactus.man ✍ 16:27, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just spotted your questionable edit summary JM. Please enlighten the readership as to what exactly were my "confrontational questions". --Cactus.man ✍ 19:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: *Silence is Golden - thanks JM. --Cactus.man ✍ 13:38, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup needed 

message: Juma Mohammed Abdul Latif Al Dossary is a Bahraini, currently held in the American prison for security detainees, Camp Delta, at the US Naval base at Guantanamo Bay.
In late July, 2005, Al-Dossari spoke with his lawyer Joshua Colangelo-Bryan about the summer's first hunger strike.  The prisoners ended this strike on July 28, 2005, when guard commander Michael Bumgarner promised concessions.
Speaking in Bahrain in September 2005, following the meeting with his client, Colangelo-Bryan revealed that Al-Dossari had informed him that:
*the detainees were willing to die, if necessary, to resolve their grievances.
*the detainees were protesting their imprisonment without having fair hearings.
*the detainees were protesting interference with their religious practices, including interruption of the call to prayer by prison officers who talked loudly during the call and even mimicked it.
*the detainees were served food which was often rotten and tap water which was yellow and brackish.
*the number of detainees being given acute medical attention had overwhelmed the camp's infirmary, and that critically ill detainees were in cots in the interrogation area.
Colangelo-Bryan believed that Al-Dossari joined in the summer's Summersecond hunger strike, which started approximately August 8, 2005, when the detainees realized NPOV that the camp authorities were not going to honor the promises that brought the first hunger strike to an end.
=====Letters from Al Dossary, and his father=====
On September 5, 2005 the Gulf Daily News summarized a letter Al Dossary had written, protesting his innocence. The letter was post-marked June 10, 2005 and described various abuses he had suffered, including:
*cigarettes being extinguished on his body.
*being made to walk on barbed wire.
*being urinated on by GI's.
On September 17, 2005, the Gulf Daily News summarized a letter received from Al Dossary's father in which he confirms that he has throat cancer, expects to die soon and pleads to see his son.
=====Suicide attempt=====
According to a report in the Washington Post on November 1, 2005, Al Dossary attempted to commit suicide on October 15, whilst taking a washroom break during a visit by his lawer, Joshua Colangelo-Bryan.  Colangelo-Bryan described finding Al Dossary hanging unconscious from a noose in the washroom, with blood pouring from a large wound in his right arm. American authorities decline to comment on specific detainee's cases, but they have acknowledged that 22 detainees have made 36 suicide attempts.  None of the attempted suicides have been successful.
::What on earth are you talking about JM? Please stop re-posting the contents of articles to talk pages. If you think the article has faulty grammar or awkwardly constructed sentences, FIX THE PROBLEM. There is no point in cross posting the article contents here with bits of bold text emblazoned across the page. I just can't follow your argument with this type of message. --Cactus.man ✍ 16:27, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just spotted your questionable edit summary JM. Please enlighten the readership as to what exactly were my "confrontational questions". --Cactus.man ✍ 19:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Silence is Golden - thanks JM. --Cactus.man ✍ 13:38, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Good start, chap! Apart from awkward sentences, please see bold highlights for further grammatical cleanup 

message: According to a report in the Washington Post on November 1, 2005, Al Dossary attempted to commit suicide on October 15, whilst taking a washroom break during a visit by his lawer, Joshua Colangelo-Bryan.  Colangelo-Bryan described finding Al Dossary hanging unconscious from a noose in the washroom, with blood pouring from a large wound in his right arm. American authorities decline to comment on specific detainee's cases, but they have acknowledged that 22 detainees have made 36 suicide attempts.  None of the attempted suicides have been successful.
::What on earth are you talking about JM? Please stop re-posting the contents of articles to talk pages. If you think the article has faulty grammar or awkwardly constructed sentences, FIX THE PROBLEM. There is no point in cross posting the article contents here with bits of bold text emblazoned across the page. I just can't follow your argument with this type of message. --Cactus.man ✍ 16:27, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just spotted your questionable edit summary JM. Please enlighten the readership as to what exactly were my "confrontational questions". --Cactus.man ✍ 19:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Silence is Golden - thanks JM. --Cactus.man ✍ 13:38, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Suicide attempt

message: I excised a section that points to the Bush administration's generic claim that they treat all detainees humanely.  The article that the section referred readers to had originally been a multi-page press release, which a contributor had cut and paste, without proper attribution, into article space.  It has subsequently been scaled back to a reference to the original press release.
I have no problem with including any comment from the executive branch that specifically addresses Al Dossary, but I found this section's nonspecific claims unencyclopedic.  --  Geo Swan 05:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I excised a section...

message: I'm posting this as I am not familiar with Wikipedia controls--two suggested updates to this page.  
1) As published in the now most widely-read account of Jumah's imprisonment, his name is correctly spelled "Jumah Al-Dossari".  Could we at least get a redirect for those searching with the spelling variation?  
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16138.htm
Jumah's brief account is available here, taken from the L.A. Times archive.  As far as I can tell, it was compiled by his lawyer from his last suicide note, his CSRT statement, and excerpts from his testimony given to Amnesty, International.  The article drew a broad public response due to the fact that it detailed a personal experience of torture and isolation.  
2) The last contact anyone had with him was a visit from the Bahraini security delegation, who came to check on their two citizens in March.  Their concerns over Jumah's condition included his continued isolation in the mental ward at Camp Delta, the low temperature of his cell, and needless punishments.  Bahrain officials have stressed that they wished to step up their efforts to have the detainees repatriated "without media fanfare," and "according to the principles of quiet diplomacy."  
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=173138&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=29363
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/03/08/10109595.html
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/02/19/10105303.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Imuneekru (talk • contribs) 15:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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