Talk:Medea (play)

message: This article uses quite a few quotes, and they are in a couple different formats.  It makes it look pretty cluttered.  I say we trim the quotes down and standardize their format.  Who agrees? - Ravenous 02:30, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many quotes? 

message: Perhaps Medea should be compared with Aeschylus' Clytaemnestra as they are similar in many ways as strong and resolute female characters of Greek drama. The quote, 'Medea, uncharacteristically for a female character, is strong and powerful', appears to ignore Clytaemnestra.
Nicander 12:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd consider Antigone a strong female character as well, especially as Sophocles portrays her.  Looking at Euripides' other plays, there are several others as well... perhaps we should start by getting rid of this "uncharacteristically" quote, since it's not true. - Ravenous 15:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and removed it along with this other sentence since it's along those same lines: "Euripides breaks with tradition, having a female lead with what in Greek drama were very male characteristics and by having a female chorus (traditionally, the chorus consisted of city elders)."  On the subject of the chorus, Aeschylus and Sophocles both had some female choruses in their existing plays. - Ravenous 05:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Describing Medea as 'strong and powerful' is an understatement, and in general there are huge problems with trying to claim Medea as a feminist work, in the sense of a work that celebrates a strong and independent female character. In many ways, the play doesn't celebrate Medea at all but deplores her. I've read a scholarly article from as far back as 1957 which points out that the play begins by seducing the audience into celebrating Medea as a female hero who subscribes to the heroic code, but it then turns around and demonstrates the consequences of the same code: Medea kills her own children because she would rather see them die than suffer dishonour from the mockery of her enemies. Lexo (talk) 23:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Medea' as a 'feminist' work 

message: At time of writing, the article is devoid of reaction and this quasi-sentence.Untitled50reg (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: [Resolved] Garbled?

message: *Start class - Themes headings is a good heading stub, but needs expansion.  Quotes in plot probably aren't necessary, particularly the soliliquy (unless it is notable independently, in which case it probably belongs in its own section).
*Low importance - a single play constitutes a "highly specific area of knowledge."
--Dereksmootz (talk) 17:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article isn't very good yet, but for the WikiProject Theatre to assess the article on Euripides' Medea as "low importance" because it's about only one play is...well, the kindest thing I can think of to say about that is that it's an interesting assessment. This is one of the most famous, most influential, most-translated, most-adapted, most-commented-upon plays ever written. Euripides is one of a tiny handful of figures who stand at the source of all world drama, and this is almost certainly his most famous play. Lexo (talk) 23:33, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that I assessed it as such as part of an assessment spree where I went through the list of unassessed articles within the Wikiproject, probably with the attitude that "a vaguely informed assessment is better than no assessment", which may not be the best philosophy...  I'm not a subject matter expert by any means, and am happy to defer to you.  To that end and per your recommendation, I've updated it to high importance.  If you see that I've committed similar faux pas with other plays, please correct them - they're likely just as hastily done. Dereksmootz (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't time to go through all the other plays you've assessed, but will stick with this one page, thanks, as it's more than enough to be going on with. (My last search in JSTOR for articles on 'Euripides Medea' threw up 4509 articles.) Lexo (talk) 01:18, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Theatre Assessment

message: I checked out the site as I wanted to trace a translation/adaptation that I heard on bbc radio several months ago - it was an adaptation as it involved a present day setting and a father with limited access rights taking his children to the sea if I recall correctly,and killing them.  Does anyone know the play? 
The translation that i find compelling is that by Robin Robertson  Vintage 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.169.153 (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  new translations 

message: Took out lots of the needless excerpts. Added some refs, etc. Ifnkovhg (talk) 07:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [Resolved] Did some cleanup... 

message: What's with the bizarrely fustian translations? They seem to have been added by  Adam Bishop in an edit of 25 January 2005 when he merged another article with this one, but I've compared them to a good modern translation (John Harrison, Cambridge U.P., 1999) and also to the original text (ed. J. Diggle, OCT 1984) and besides being stuffily Victorian (and giving a quite inaccurate impression of what the play is like) they're also largely inaccurate. In some cases they are garbled conflations of lines from two different speeches, in other cases they seem to be outright fabrications on the part of the translator. I will replace them with more accurate versions and if WP lets me, I'll include the original lines. Lexo (talk) 23:26, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

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message: I find it sort of odd that this isn't included, since it deals with the nature of Medea's relationship with Jason, which the ancient Greek audience knew about. It's in Metamorphoses, book VII. The themes section ignores the problematic dynamic Medea was pursuing with Jason - one based on pride and possession. 
"[...] though she long fought against it, her reason could not subdue her mad desire [...] 'some strange influence weighs heavily upon me, and desire sways me one way, reason another [...] Why do you, a princess, burn with love for a stranger? Why dream of marriage with a foreigner? [...] Shall I then betray my father's kingdom, and by my help [...] set sail without me, and become another woman's husband [...] if he could prefer some other woman to me, then let him perish, the ungrateful wretch! [...] The things I leave behind are of little worth, but precious are the objects I pursue - the glory of having saved the Greek heroes, a knowledge of a better land than this, and cities whose fame has spread even to these shores. I shall become acquainted with all the art and culture of such cities, and I shall have Jason [my italics], for whom I would barter all the wealth the world holds. With him as my husband, men will call me the fortunate favourite of heaven, and my head will touch the stars!'" (Metamorphoses, translated my Mary M. Innes).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.20.21 (talk) 03:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I would not oppose background, I would oppose using any Metamorphoses as background, being composed significantly later.Untitled50reg (talk) 17:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Include background of Jason and Medea's relationship? 

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thread_title:  [Resolved] External links modified 

message: Emendation apparently accepted.Untitled50reg (talk) 17:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [Resolved] Misandry? 

message: The plot offered in the article, at time of writing, is verbose and riddled with errors. For myself, i am very inclined to eviscerating it. But since i do not know when (or if) i certainly will do so, and am equally inclined to letting someone else do so, i wiggle my goad.
There is zeal for the importance of the article, and pointing out the sea of secondary literature, but little attempt to thrust such actually into the article. I almost certainly won't do this. If you read this, you are formally invited to engage thrusting.
Content- and stylewise, the article is messy. I attempted to tidy some of it (as mentioned, i remain inclined to eviscerating the plot), but have been stymied in places.
Untitled50reg (talk) 09:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot-mess and general want. 

message: Alleging that "Need an argument for all Greek tragedies otherwise there is no motivation for the plot. Characters seem far more ruthless and shallow without the argument. meaningless", Darylprasad inserted what was allegedly an argument. I am cutting this from the article, both because i strongly disagree with the reason for its insertion, and strongly object to the inserted text itself. But, like Creon, i am not a tyrant. I paste it here, and request even one reason why i should not have removed this.
"When the Heroes, who sailed in the ship Argo to bring home the Golden Fleece, came to the land of Colchis, they found that to win that treasure was a deed passing the might of mortal man, so terribly was it guarded by monsters magical, even fire-breathing bulls and an unsleeping dragon. But Aphrodite caused Medea the sorceress, daughter of Aeetes the king of the land, to love Jason their captain, so that by her magic he overcame the bulls and the dragon. Then Jason took the Fleece, and Medea withal, for that he had pledged him to wed her in the land of Greece. But as they fled, Absyrlus her brother pursued them with a host of war, yet by Medea's devising was he slain. So they came to the laud of Iolcos, and to Pelias, who held the kingdom which was Jason's of right. But Medea by her magic wrought upon Pelias' daughters so that they slew their father. Yet by reason of men's horror of the deed might not Jason and Medea abide in the land, and they came to Corinth. But there all men rejoiced for the coming of a hero so mighty in war and a lady renowned for wisdom unearthly, for that Medea was grandchild of the Sungod. But a after ten years, Creon the king of the land spake to Jason, saying, " Lo, I will give thee my daughter to wife, and thou shall reign after me, if thou wilt put away thy wife Medea; but her and her two sons will I banish from the land." So Jason consented. And of this befell things strange and awful, which are told herein." Untitled50reg (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argument 

message: — Assignment last updated by Marisamasanchan (talk) 17:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Foundations of Literary Study

message: No operas are listed.
Perhaps the most well-known is Cherubini's,  with Callas in the title role 
RegardsDJ DuncanJay (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:   operas  

message: Why did someone deem the list "excessive"? A list can be quickly scanned or ignored. Someone took the time to painstakingly compile the list, which may be useful to others doing research. It makes no sense to cull it frivolously. Ariadne000 (talk) 22:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Productions and Adaptations