Talk:Anime-influenced animation

message: Moved "original" list here for later use. KyuuA4 19:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples of anime-influenced animation

message: This was formerly in the article.  Moved here because it needed cleanup. KyuuA4 04:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Writing

message: Come to think of it.  This "phenomemon" isn't limited to animation.  The same thing occurs within manga.  Perhaps the article can be changed to reflect both anime and manga. KyuuA4 20:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Change Name

message: This is by far the first Wiki article I've seen that wanted citations on listed items. KyuuA4 04:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation on the List Items

message: Obviously, this topic has SOME relation to anime. KyuuA4 06:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Anime

message: When did this category come about?  As far as I know, this category did not exist during the 1990's - considering anime itself was growing in popularity. KyuuA4 22:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When? 

message: Avatar is animated in South Korea, so it is a combo of manhwa-yeonghwa and american writing. It doesn't seem to emulate anime, as it is genuingly drawn as a manhwa-yeonghwa. As this list is only for the visuals (ie animation), this show does not attempt to emulate anime, and if it does, then that makes every Korean animation to be emulating anime, which isn't true.24.218.65.219 16:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the key here is "American writing" (and art direction too).  You have to think about style versus content, and the fact that almost everything is animated in SK nowadays (including "American" cartoons like the Simpsons), so style is more blurry (since it tends to travel faster than cultural content, as most writers tend to write about themselves in one way or another.)  You can't say it's manhwa/yeonghwa because it was created in Korea.  I think content matters here as much as style does.  ColourBurst 01:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But this is anime-influenced animation, not animated shows. This catagory is characterized by strictly art style. If it isn't (as you claim it to be), then shows like Winx and Witch shouldn't be on the list, as the only thing they have that is influenced by anime is the art style.Mishy dishy 01:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, apparently, anything that looks like anime but is not classified as anime belongs here.  Also, the country of origin is not relevant.  In my opinion, this is a very odd thing to do.  It would be a lot easier to simply classify them as anime, using the Japanese definition. KyuuA4 10:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar: The Legend of Aang 

message: Even if Peter Chung has participated many times in projects involving japanese companies; I'm not sure Aeon flux should be mention as an example of Amerime because it wasn't done with intentions to emulate Anime but just as an unique style for an MTV animation...and it was done before Amerime became popular between companies.
Any suggestions? (remember that other Peter Chung's works such as Reign: The Conqueror (also known as "Alexander") were true Amerime because they were produced and directed in japanese companies)
I never thought of Aeon Flux as anime, it looks more like American animation and the creator is Korean so maybe there was a misconception with it being Korean animation-esque. Rabid coathangers eat da world 18:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aeon Flux: Anime or Not? 

message: Totally Spies, Martin Mystery, Code Lyoko, etc. are all European, not American; I think that this article needs to be merged with anime.
No, I suggest a new article...this is something that has to be investigated to suggest a better name (if there is one) to Amerime...since Amerime is not real Anime (not made in japan), it shouldn't be merged into the Anime article, though it could be merge as an individual article linking to this main article, not as part of the whole Anime article.
thank you. Minako-Chan* 04:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I merge of this article with the anime article will be suitable.  However, at the current point, this is a debate over "what is anime" and "what is not anime".  In the anime article, I already noted the change in Western animation due to anime.  Eventually, it will become appropriate to fully merge this article with anime. KyuuA4 16:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Um, yeah. Also, I don't see any anime influences in Winx Club. Maybe the gigantic eyes...Gladrius 19:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, even I took a close look at Winx Club and wondered the same thing. KyuuA4 16:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, change the name of create other name like Pseudo-anime or western anime, since not all anime like show can come from the US.
(Danraz 04:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The way I see it -- this article is the "everything else" non-anime category. 75.32.34.250 21:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Animation 

message: I know some concider Korean animation not anime but you have to admit, it's the closest thing to anime, so it shouldn't be called inside the amerime category since they have worked in this kind of animation style for longer time that occidentals, not to mention that many games playable for the PS2/3 and Xbox(360°) were created by korean designers, a great example of this is Magna Carta, which character design was created by Hyung-tae Kim which artistic values have nothing to envy to many japanese manga-ka.
"Wonderful Days" was a great film and it shows that if you do it right, it can be concidered a great anime artwork. Occidentals have still a long road to get there but let's say they are doing right...at least they have shown that with Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Remember that amerime is a term that applies to occidental animation which is designed like anime.
Minako-Chan* 01:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I see it -- this article is the "everything else" non-anime category. 75.32.34.250 21:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: About Korean Animation

message: Clearly it's not only american animators who are incorporating aspects of Japanese animation into their works. Can we rename this to "Anime-influenced animation" or something to that effect? Amerime can remain as a subsection or blurb since it seems to have some precendent among a small group of people(even though it was deleted for neologism three times over). As an article title, it's not appropriate because it only applies to a subset of the works being produced in this style. You can bet non-american artists aren't going to call their anime-influenced works amerime!--72.137.173.201 07:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it should be moved to Anime-influenced animation. While this article was deleted several times already and the original author even admitted in the last AfD that he intentionally created it as a neologism! The subject is notable, but the term is not. As much as I dislike amerimanga, at least that actually has some factual historical basis for the term, even if it's debatable how popular it is compared to say, OEL. It seems this term amerime has spread largely because of the wikipedia page. I agree with the term also disincluding the many, many non-American works this term covers. --SevereTireDamage 23:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, since you're the one with an account, go ahead and do the move. I've edited the article accordingly. --72.137.173.201 18:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  renaming article 

message: Code Lyoko? Ying Yang Yo? Xiaolin Showdown? Megas? Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi? I'm not sure what anime you guys are watching, but I've yet to see any that look similar to these shows. --Amibite 18 November
Taking influence from anime doesn't necessarilly mean the way a series looks, but the general style; storyline, action, characterisation etc.
:In other words, the things the series does. KyuuA4 16:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, which "complicates" things more, doesn't it? KyuuA4 16:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that Japanese culture and the Japanese language are exclusive to anime in terms of animated series. Both can affect the animation style. --Squilibob 12:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how you can say Japanese culture is exclusive only to anime, and it's kind of boarderline racism to think that the only reason any non-Japanese form of media would reference Japan is because of anime.  There have been plenty of movies dating back to the 30s that reference or take place in Japan, long before anime was made.  --Amibite 01:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half of these shows don't even look anything like anime.. 

message: Look closely at Amerime & Amerimanga. AMERIME: The people who make it are copying outdated styles from the 60s, 70s, & 90s. They're trying to use the looks found in Slayers, Astro Boy, & Speed Racer. Comparing the anime character designs to it's manga counterpart reveals huge differences in style. AMERIMANGA: The reason these look so aweful is because the artists are using Anime-style character designs instead on Manga-style. I dare to call the Hellsing (Japanese) & Labyrinth mangas (chinese artist)Amerimanga. Look at those sloppy profiles & messy eyes. Just because you can draw props, hair, clothes, & landscape is no excuse for such crappy character design. 
LikaLaruku 8:19pm, 27 November 2006
Which brings up an interesting point, what do you call all the Japanese shows and manga that borrow elements from American stuff? Like One Piece, or Cowboy Bebop.  I often see people complaining about stuff like Totally Spies, but all the anime that takes elements from American shows or comics don't ever seem to get any flak for it, or even bother mentioning it.  Seems a bit hypocritical. --Amibite 20:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing even remotely American looking about Cowboy Bebop. As for One Piece, it looks like anime from the 1960s, pre-Astro Boy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.142 (talk) 10:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The author of One Piece, Eiichiro Oda, had already made it clear that his style was influenced by Western cartoons, he personally named Tom & Jerry as a huge inspiration. He's also a fan of old Disney films. His art style is a cross between American animation and Akira Toriyama's artstyle. Speaking of Disney, the first real "anime" art style was basically just a take on Walt Disney's style, so in a way America inspired anime. Nothing in the article about that. Buuhan1 (talk) 05:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, at the present time, that sentiment is a one-way street.  I've taken this discussion over to Anime News Network; but in the end, it was lambasted. KyuuA4 17:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amerime & Amerimanga; WHY it looks so wrong 

message: I proposed the article for deletion due to it mostly containing original research that can't really be verified, such as the background and criticism sections.  The subject is also too general to justify having an article dedicated to it rather than simply mentioning it on the individual show's pages.  Otherwise, we might as well create articles such "Star Wars influenced animation" or "James Bond influenced animation" and so forth for anything that might influence something else.  Also, with only a handful of series listed out of the thousands there are out there, the notability is also extremely low. Amibite 22:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to second this. The lines are becoming blurred as to what is what and it's mostly subjective, anyway. I'll wait a couple of days. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 02:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about the actual article, but I think that it's at least worthwhile to have a list of anime-influenced animation. I know none of the series listed has any sources, but I've found a few and added them in. I'm planning to add more over time. Ravenwolf Zero 17:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has become progressively less about the legitimate affects of anime on western animations and progressively more about divided parties desperately putting claims on "styles" for nationalistic fervor or other forms of tribalism. Naturally actual facts where the first casualties and since it will be utterly impossible to balance the perspectives of anime fans and fans of other material ae western to produce a on the level encyclopedic entry this article should be torched. Bloody Sacha (talk) 11:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed for Deletion 

message: Anime has LESS fluid animation than other forms of animation?  WTF?  -- AvatarMN 05:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it means that anime generally has a lower frame rate than American animation, so it looks a bit choppier. Ravenwolf Zero 17:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only thing is...  it doesn't.  -- AvatarMN 22:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't subject to debate. significant western animations have always had more frames then contemporary Japanese material, compare 1983s "fire and ice" to 1984s "Nausicaa of the valley of the wind" even to the untrained eye the difference is obvious. Even later titles like Akira and Ghost in the Shell don't compare. Thats the difference "rotoscoping" makes. Bloody Sacha (talk) 16:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...What?  Rotoscoping was sparingly used in American animation, and isn't really used any more, as it looked like it wasn't animation (which it wasn't, in LOTR) and most people didn't like it.  You're saying some Bakshi-produced film looked better and more professional than a Miyazaki masterpiece?  You're crazy, and just look at public opinion about Bakshi compared to Miyazaki in order to prove it.  Ghost in the Shell has choppier animation than Fire and Ice... Good god.  -- AvatarMN (talk) 06:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resemblance to anime 

message: * Avatar: The Last Airbender
    * Ben 10 [citation needed]
    * Di-Gata Defenders.  
    * The New Adventures of He-Man [citation needed]
    * The Boondocks [4]
    * Kappa Mikey [5]
    * Megas XLR [6]
    * Perfect Hair Forever [citation needed]
    * Samurai Jack [citation needed]
    * Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go! [citation needed]
    * Teen Titans [7]
    * Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi [citation needed]
    * Invasion America [citation needed]
    * The Batman [citation needed]
    * Fantastic Four [citation needed]
    * The Spectacular Spider-Man [citation needed]
    * Star Wars: Clone Wars [citation needed]
    * Storm Hawks [citation needed]
European animation
    * A.T.O.M. [citation needed]
    * Code Lyoko [citation needed]
    * Martin Mystery [citation needed]
    * Ōban Star-Racers[citation needed]
    * Team Galaxy [citation needed]
    * Totally Spies [citation needed]
    * W.I.T.C.H. [citation needed]
    * Winx Club [citation needed]
Online RPG/Flash Game
    * AdventureQuest [citation needed]
    * Dragon Fable [citation needed]
    * Neopets [citation needed]
Non-Japanese Asian animation
    * Pucca [citation needed]
Recovered Purged List. KyuuA4 20:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was the list I removed in order to remove the unverified sources tag.  If anyone find a first-party source (such as a statement from the creators about a finished product) then feel free to add it to the article. Armiga6 00:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is to be used as a checklist. KyuuA4 20:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anime-Influenced List

message: Do shows that were half-done in Japan, such as Oban Star Racers, need to be here?  For all intents and purposes, they're half-Japanese so it seems pointless to list them here.  I assume that's also the reason Animatrix was removed. Armiga6 22:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thing is... they do not get listed as "anime".  Therefore, the fact that the Japanese were involved should be more than enough to render it as "anime-influenced".  As for Animatrix, I have no idea why the individual removed it. KyuuA4 17:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese co-productions 

message: I’ve taken the liberty of reconciling this statement with reality
”·  The Boondocks. Season 2 is under production by Japanese animation studio Madhouse. Production cites Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo as source of inspiration.[11]”
”·  The Boondocks. Season 2 is under production by Japanese animation studio Madhouse. Aaron McGruder cites Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo as sources of inspiration for fight scenes.[11]”
You can verify my modification by fallowing the source the original author used. Or reading a copy here
”Aaron McGruder on the anime influences for the fight scenes:
We looked at Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop to make this work for black comedy and it would be a remarkable thing. We didn't get anywhere close to where we wanted on the first season, but when you see the animation in the second season, it's a big step up and that gives you the freedom to pull off sequences that have some visual impact. We went in that direction because we felt we were able to pull it off. I was impressed with some of the fight sequences of season one and knowing how much we learned, I felt like we could really push that in the second season and we did and it worked out really well.” Bloody Sacha 16:52, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That'd be too much as far as the list is concerned.  However, that can be used in the main body of the article. -- KyuuA4 (talk) 17:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boondocks 

message: Here is a sample of the "anime style" used to draw caricatures of actual people. KyuuA4 (talk) 06:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ironically, the drawing he says looks like Disney looks more like Ken from Powerpuff Girls Z more than anything else, to me.  Just goes to show you how one animator's view can be different from another's. Baron Armadillo (talk) 03:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sample

message: I've noticed the elimination of some listed items.  For now, I'll let that go; but I did save the list into my own archive and wiped it off this article, because the criteria is unclear to begin with. In this discussion, there will be some derivation in determining what's "anime-influenced". KyuuA4 (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My 2cents: Xiaolin showdown, "fusion of Eastern and Western culture" www.kidscreen.com.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.2.70.226 (talk) 23:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, fans (and editors) tend to separate Japan from the rest of Asia.  See Manhwa and Manhua.  As opposed to manga.  Same deal happens with animation. KyuuA4 03:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for Anime-influenced animation 

message: Amerime it is a distinct faux manga/anime style that encorprates severly dated Japanese art designs from the 90s, lazy face art, & still has the taint of looking too much like an American comic book or cartoon in style. The end result is akward, looking neither Asian nor American. 
Animation Example: Avatar, The New You Can't Do That on Television animated DVD (aka YCDToT OAV).
Comic book example: Marvel Mangaverse, The New Alice in Wonderland.
Amerime done right: Boondocks' & Teen Titans' designs look less trashy, though Marvel readers will never accept the style of the cartoon.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.142 (talk) 10:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:weasel. Your description is full of that stuff. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 22:25, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here's a really good description. 

message: If you look past the american style thick outlines, and focus on her head proportions, the character Kitty, actouly looks alot like an anime style charecter. So where would a show like Tuff puppy acutaly fit in on this? --J intela (talk) 04:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Tuff Puppy

message: I don't think the article should use terms like American anime for American animation productions that resemble anime. The consensus (with a notable minority opposition) is that anime is a term for creative animated work produced in Japan by Japanese creative teams. Television shows that are animated but not created in Japan like Batman The Animated Series, Cyber Six, Transformers G1, etc, or that resemble stereotypical Japanese animation styles or take influence from Japanese animation, such as Avatar The Last Airbender, RBYW, Castlevania, Totally Spies, etc, should be referred to simply as 'animation', 'cartoon', 'series', 'movie', etc, so that the article has a WP:NPOV on the topic of whether anything non-Japanese can be called anime.Fullmetalalch (talk) 06:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unambiguous use of terms such as 'American anime' outside of quotes when the article doesn't cite any consensus of using the term for anime-esque animation 

message: There are a lot of works of Chinese animation contain styles simular or even indistinguishable from typical Japanese anime, especially a lot of the newer works released digitally. To name some examples shows such as Link Click, Mo Dao Zu Shi, and The King's Avatar. I know less about Korean animation, but I am aware of older works such as Robot Taekwon V and Captain of Cosmos directly plagiarising Japanese works. Therefore, I feel a mention and a link to the Chinese and Korean animation articles would be appropriate on this article. UltraMegaZX (talk) 22:52, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese and Korean animation 

message: This show, The Owl House is clearly-inspried by anime and few anime-like North American shows, like Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra. Just like the others in it's main page. Chad The Goatman (talk) 18:49, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Owl House