Talk:Manhwa

message: There seem to be many misconceptions here.  Problems arise with "manhwa" because there are both linguistic and stylistic issues present with confusing overlap.  First of all, the kanji compound 漫画 (Chinese: manhua, Japanese: manga, Korean: manhwa) is technically and linguistically a Japanese-invented word using kanji (Chinese characters) roots.  These type of words are called 和製漢語 (wasei kango). A perfect example is how the term 電話 (denwa "telephone") was created in Japan from the kanji roots 電 (electric) and 話 (speak).  This term was then adopted by the Chinese and Koreans, and even if written in Chinese characters or Korean Hangul, the original term is a Japanese creation. (Similar to how English coined "telephone" from the Greek roots of "tele" and "phonos" and then the word telephone spread back into Greek and other languages.)  Therefore, linguistically, 漫画, 漫畫, and 만화 (漫畫) all mean "comics" in Japanese, Chinese, and Korean respectively, but the term was a Japanese invention.  
The stylistic concern is something different.  After cartoons and animation in general were picked up by Japan, and a new Japanese style of animation was created (now called anime in Japan), the term anime came back to English to refer only to this new style of Japanese animation.  Today, when talking about shows such as Avatar: The Last Airbender or Teen Titans, people say they are anime-inspired, anime-style, or American anime.  The key word is using the term anime to denote the style of Japanese animation.  Similarly, comics evolved in Japan through developing a specific style into Japanese-style comics called manga in English. 
Modern comics in South Korea are overwhelmingly influenced by Japanese manga, and are often stylistically hard to distinguish because the Japanese style has been adopted so fully.  Because of this, in English the term "Korean manga" makes the most sense.  If the reasons for this are not readily apparent, consider this: The term manga in English refers to Japanese-style comics.  If you are talking about Japanese-style comics made in Korea, then "Korean manga" makes sense. Confusion arises because the words for general comics in Chinese and Korean are now "manhua and manhwa" which are analogous to "manga."  However, in English, manga refers only to Japanese-style comics.  In Chinese and Korean, the terms manhua and manhwa can mean comics in general, but ALSO specifically refer to Japanese-style comics.  Comics in Korea that are based on Japanese manga that some people are determined to call "manhwa" in English are not even called "manhwa" in Korean, they are called 한국 만화 (Korean Manhwa/Manga). If you are talking about comics in Korea (of any kind), that may be one article, but the modern genre of Korean comics that is stylistically based on Japanese manga, that should correctly be referred to as "Korean Manga" or "Korean-style Manga" and not "manhwa."  AziaStyle (talk) 06:31, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Due to linguistic and stylistic problems with the term Manhwa, the more correct term "Korean Manga" should be used  

message: I can't understand why we started to use the word manga. Why didn't we just call them Japanese comics so that we didn't have to waste time explaing the meaning of the word? (Furthermore, note that the difference between the meanings of manga (Japanese comics) and 漫画 (comics) caused another confusion.)
Of course, it's too late for the "manga" case, since it is already established as a English word. But I think there is no reason to spread this problem to cases of other languages. --Acepectif 09:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I suggest to move this article to [[Korean comics]]. 

message: Requested Manhwa articles  -- Here's the list of requested Manhwa articles incase anyone is interested in doing them.  --Kunzite 16:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Manhwa articles 

message: The WikiProject Anime and manga covers manhwa as well. --Geopgeop 11:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it doesn't. WP:MANGA specifically states that they do not cover Manhwa articles. --tjstrf 07:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Anime and manga

message: So, what is the Chinese word for "manga?" Anyone know? Or is there a word for chinese manga. What about C-pop?? Is there a C-pop like K-pop or J-pop? Oyo321 00:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Manhua. —pfahlstrom 02:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a manhwa article. On wikipedia we need to stick to the subject of manhwa not pop. Jump Guru 01:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: China

message: Since we have Manhwa section, shouldn't we also have Manhwa-younghwa section? dooly00000
Yup Oyo321 13:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: question

message: On the bit of the article that describes how to tell apart manhwa from "proper" manga, something about the first point is bothering me.
*the style the character designs - manwha aimed at teenage girls (which make up the majority of English-translated series) have a distinctively angular style of abstraction which contrasts with the more 'cute' and rounded style of their Japanese, Chinese and western equivalents. This is the most obvious difference at a glance, but does not necessarily apply to manhwa aimed at boys or adults.
Firstly, this really needs a source of some sort because it reads like Original Research. Secondly, while it is at least partially true, I believe it is incomplete information. There are character design differences, but they extend beyond merely the girl's comics. --tjstrf talk 08:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it needs actual research.  I'll tell you right away that if the necks are long, it's quickly more easy to identify as a manhwa.  Why?  Angular faces and long necks are just a Korean ethnic feature, and within most cultures one's own culture is the one that tends to look best, because it's the most familiar (the most generic person you can think of would probably be the most common type of person in your own culture). Korea is mostly ethnically homogenous.  Therefore it would make sense that mostly Korean characters in Korean comics would look mostly Korean.  Guess someone needs to come up with something that would make that sound more sensitive while pointing out that it's definitely an ethnic featre... being half-Korean I kind of have trouble with this "racial sensitivity" thing. -129.21.96.59 16:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something bothering me 

message: Does manhwa have demographic genres? What made me think of this is that on the Rebirth article it said shounen. Does anyone know if manhwa has thier own genres and demographic genres? Jump Guru 01:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Genres

message: I believed that Korean related articles at English Wiki have more contents than any other wikipedia, but that turns out wrong. I've seen so many Japanese editors POV pushings without any proof for that manhwa is a translated Japanese manga. So I started searching info and found some useful references. I just went to the German and French articles via the interwiki links, they already have well-written history sections and good contents! Thank them in the wikipedia for their efforts. If there is someone who can read those languages, translating the contents to English is good to develop this article. I can simply rebut to some persistent odn.ad.jp users (SoftBank)'s unwarranted claim with the translation. --Appletrees (talk) 22:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: German and French wiki

message: The etymology and origin of this Korean word should be given: specifically, what are the first instances of the use of this term in print (both in hanja and hangul). Badagnani (talk) 20:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: At Sakura Con, Tokyopop pannelists were telling us about the Manhwa cafes, the people reading manga for free, manhwa sales declining, series being cancled, publishers filing for bankruptsy. I think it should be mentioned here, with a reference to how American's are trying to make the same thing happen by not taking down Scanlations of mangas that have been licensed. There was even a survey on Crunchyroll where users said they don;t buy manga because they can read it online for free.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.122.193 (talk) 11:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manhwa Market Slump. 

message: I found that there has been an English-language book about manhwa and its history published "Manhwa, Another Discovery in Asian Comics" published by "Korea Culture and Content Agency", looks interesting since it's hard to find any good info on the subject in English.
http://hanbooks.com/maandiinasco.html http://www.amazon.com/Manhwa-Another-Discovery-Asian-Comics/dp/B000TG5WN0 Hope this isn't considered an advertisement. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 21:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Manhwa book

message: This article from Publishers Weekly might be of use in the future. It discusses how manhwa is being introduced into the US, and has some information on how Korean and American manhwa-producing companies operate. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 20:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an archived page for it; WebCite. PW sometimes undergoes changes and articles can be lost. So just in case. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting reference 

message: Interesting newish academic article: Kukhee Choo 2010, Consuming Japan:Early Korean girls comic book artists' resistance and empowerment, Complicated Currents: Media Flows, Soft Power and East Asia, Volume 1, No. 1. Talks about the history of sunjeong manhwaa and its growth out of pirated manga, and the early Korean donginji (doujinshi) scene, among other things.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JRBrown (talk • contribs) 00:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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message: Do they hide influence of Japan? 220.106.178.205 (talk) 05:51, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh...Not sure exactly what you're getting at here. Yes, manhwa has some inspiration from manga. No denying that. But they are still separate and fairly distinct. You'll notice the common characteristics of manhwa characters often diffes greatly from common manga characteristics. They aren't a "copy" of anything. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 18:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:   Manhwa were inspired by classic Asian arts, especially Chinese. Manhwa will be a copy of Manga(japan). 

message: The Korean deleted the name of the Japanese artist by a pirated edition.
Korea has begun to be affected without knowing it with Japanese Manga. 221.184.33.74 (talk) 17:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The reason that Manhwa resembles Manga. The pirated edition is important in reciteing the history of Manhwa. 

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replies: text: I began my reorganization of the topics to try to make the article more fluid. I am currently playing around with certain ideas in a sandbox labled sandbox1: Jazzie444/sandbox1 Jazzie444 (talk) 06:48, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Editing Plans 

message: I expanded on the lead, making it cover the rest of the article more thoroughly. I then tried to set up the sections as they did in the manga article, but I realized that I would not have the same amount of information. I ended up taking some parts from the manga article that would apply to the manhwa article as well and entering them in. Once I had done this, I took bits from other sections where they did not fit and added them into a new section I titled Etymology. 
In my reorganization of the article, I kept finding information build-up about influence, but not necessarily set it up as a specific point in history so I was not quite sure where to put it until I settled on Etymology as that paragraph already included a different form of influence. 
As I continued to look through the article, I continued to find little pieces of information that would not completely fit under their sections, and I realized that this article needed some reorganizing. I struggled to title some areas and came up with the idea to create a characteristics section. I then had to find some additional information to make the section big enough to be of importance. I also knew that certain things like the direction it read, and the art styles are significant qualities of these comics and needed to be included as they helped distinguish them from manga and manhua. When I got to the history portion, I had to take out information that did not seem to fall in a timeline area. I also had to add more current events as there had not seemed to be an update on what was happening with manhwa in a while. I ended up making webtoons a subcategory as it did not seem to contain enough information on its own, and it was a significant milestone for manhwa.
When I moved on, the section was titled something along the lines of manhwa in the United States. This seemed too American-central for something that did not belong to our culture, so I rephrased it and added the US as a subtitle. I then organized information that would apply to both categories and only one. I also added a little bit more about webtoons as they are significant here as well.
The section that probably got the least work was the animation and live actions section. I did not have much to add as it seemed like a thorough layout. Plus, I was not able to find a similar section in any similar articles to base it on. I did not think that this made it irrelevant, but I did go back and forth debating about whether this was essential information. Other than that, I mostly just combined lines that contained things happening in the same year and added some more Wikipedia links. I then went back to the lead and made sure that it still covered the entirety of my article.
Throughout this article, I did a lot of source work. I added citations when I could find one, to apply to the citations needed tags, and I would go find some for myself when it seemed like the author would make a claim that was not supported by the source they later provided. I also took all the lists that they had and brought them to the bottom as I felt they no longer fit in their original areas. I believe I even deleted one that did not bring anything to the article. I followed through with a thorough read-through to make sure that sentences flowed and made sense. Most of my work was reorganizing sentences in a better order so I feel like some of the flow might still be choppy, but I tried to improve the transitions without adding in too much of my own writing. I wanted to improve the clarity of sentences rather than rewrite them myself.
I had trouble deciding what order I would have my sections in and kept changing it up as I felt many important ones needed to be at the top. I eventually settled on the current one, believing that there would be a logical transition from one topic to another. I believe the article feels a bit more focused now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzie444 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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