Talk:2007 Russian legislative election

message: Does anyone know whether an open list or a closed list system will be used? Esn 10:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's closed list. For example, in the case of United Russia, the first three positions on the list are Putin's. -- int19h 19:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists

message: This article should mention that the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe recalled all their election monitors due to excessive restrictions placed on them by the Russian government.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.117.175.93 (talk) 15:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe 

message: There have been pictures of voters "feeding" their ballots into what appears to be automatic ballot boxes. Are the ballot papers scanned and subject for some sort of computerized counting? --Camptown 22:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ballot scanning? 

message: I'm unsure as to what the appropriate language is for the opening sentence: On 1 October 2007, Putin announced he would run first place on the United Russia list and that he might consider becoming Premier after the elections. I think that 'Premier' has larger negative cold war era-based connotations over 'Head of Government'. The original Bloomberg.com article actually quotes Putin as saying: 'To become the head of government is quite a realistic proposal,'. I'm not willing to change these linguistics, but merely suggest here that such a change would be supported by at least one other wikipedian. Jeff Carr 01:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed it to Prime Minister as it is the official title. Mushroom (Talk) 01:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Good call. Vladimir Putin will likely become the new prime minister (i.e. "head of government", while the president is "head of state"). The current PM is Viktor Zubkov, who might become the next president if he wins the upcoming election. Cmrdm 01:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Techincally, the official title is "Chairman of the Government", and not Prime Minister (though the latter is also widely used in Russia unofficially). -- int19h 07:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head of Government vs. Premier 

message: " But for the first time since collapse of the Soviet Union one party meaning United Russia got supermajority (more than 2/3 of seats). " 
So we say, but 64 % is not more than 2/3. What have I missed? 130.88.140.4 11:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The percent of votes a party receives doesn't mean the number of seats they get in parliament. Seats are got by different mandates, either by location, by person, by party, etc. Also, some votes get "lost" as they don't go over the 7% threshold party needs to get any mandates. (The system is quite more complex than just percent of votes) Suva Чего? 11:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The statement is not actually true. United Russia had supermajority as early as 2005 already (with 305 seats out of 450), because of many PMs - mostly independents - joining United Russia some time after the 2003 parliamentary election. -- int19h (talk) 06:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It is proportional system of voting. Votes that received parties which didn't overcome 7% threshold go to parties which did it. 91% votes got parties which now have mandates in Duma. So if you had voted for party which didn't overcome threshold, 64,3% of 91% (70,7%) of your vote go to United Russia, 11.6% of 91% (12,7%) of your vote go to CPRF, 8.1% of 91% (8,9%) of your vote  go to LDPR and 7.7% of 91% (8,4%) of your vote go to Fair Russia, and in fact your vote for this party is cancelled. 80.251.112.43 17:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supermajority 

message: Someone who actually understands Russian should probably get the information about invalid votes, valid votes, total votes cast and turnout from the official site and put it into the template -- I only managed to get the party percentages and votes. Thanks! —Nightstallion 23:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, Babelfish and I figured it out. —Nightstallion 14:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final results 

message: Unless something new worth of mention happens (an appeal, investigation, etc) I'd leave it as it is, and also request the new rating(s). --HanzoHattori (talk) 01:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think the article is perfect now 

message: I think this article is now in good condition and could be even rated higher than "B". It worth mentioning that people did not know who were voting for: no any names were shown in the bulletins, only names of parties. Many people though they are voting for Putin. But Putin and 150+ other people now have declared that they withdraw, although they were officially announced as Party candidates before the elections. Also, more could be said about various fraud tactics used at these elections, such as "dead souls" (people who died a few years ago but whose bulletins were used to vote for United Russia), giving "gifts" to voters, and a lot of other things.Biophys (talk) 03:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It worth mentioning that people did not know who were voting for: no any names were shown in the bulletins, only names of parties. That's not exactly true. As far as I can remember the sight of a bulletin, for each party there were 1) "federal three" (troika) of the party and 2) troika of the party in the region of RF where the election took place.  See one such bulletin, just note that regional troikas were different for different regions. ellol (talk) 08:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That picture actually confirms the the Biophys opinion. Note that the federal troika of United Russia is actually an "odinka". About frauds, a friend from russia confirmed atleast ballot stuffing in region outside Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Suva Чего? 09:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hey, did I say anything about ballot stuffing? Can you read at all? I wrote: "that's not exactly true". If you read that as "that's completely false" it's only your problems. ellol (talk) 15:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The ballot stuffing was actually a reply to Biophys. Not to you. And as for the bulleting. The Putins name is prominently mentioned alone in there (+ regional leaders). Thus confirming that people considered the vote mostly as a vote for Putin. But as the party system works in Russia (and in most other places in the world), there isn't much difference who you vote for in person, as the decisions are made inside party, and in parliamentary voting the party votes as a whole. If someone from the party doesn't he is considered to be a traitor and sometimes even cast out of the party. Suva Чего? 16:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm sorry for my sharp answer, it wasn't correct. In fact, I envy you. Really. You so easily understand Russia and Putin. While I, a Russian who's looking into the Russian politics for the last several years still understand nothing and that hardly will change. ellol (talk) 19:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Good comment by Andrei Piontkovsky . Biophys (talk) 06:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And an interesting essay by Sergei Kovalev . Suva Чего? 12:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some comments

message: Examplary "Journalist Grigory Belonuchkin, delegated as an observer by the CPRF, who had a chance to oversee the process of counting votes both in the polling station No. 301 and in the local election committee of the town of Dolgoprudny, Moscow Oblast, claims that the chairpersons of several polling stations attempted to forge the results while transmitting them to the above committee, rigging vote count in favor of the United Russia, as the final figures issued to the observers at the polling stations and final figures sent to the above committee were considerably different." is absolutely excessive in detail. CPRF claims thousands of violations, if we would analyse even part of them in this manner we'd at least need a sub-article. --HanzoHattori (talk) 17:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey, let's keep this short and essantional 

message: Good Russian language source. Go to Institute for Economic Analysis, a think-tank led by Andrey Illarionov and click "СПЕЦОПЕРАЦИЯ «ВЫБОРЫ 2 ДЕКАБРЯ 2007 г.» (Special operation "Elections 2007") - this is an excellent statistical analysis of this and other elections results. It shows scientifically which elections in Russia and Ukraine were doctored and how. Also look here  and especially "The Siloviki Regime In Russia" (English) a Power point presentation in the  Institute for Economic Analysis. That is so good! Biophys (talk) 22:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Какой явный вид коррелятора на слайде 10? ellol (talk) 23:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good source

message: traditionally the % results are give at net of invalid ballot not at gross--79.49.21.248 (talk) 11:27, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: results

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