Talk:Juan Díaz de Solís

message: Isn't this a duplicate article of Juan Diaz de Solís? - User:Dimadick
:Has been fixed. -LlywelynII (talk) 15:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, although it was renamed the Río de Solís in his honor, until Sebastian Cabot popularized the idea that it was the Río de la Plata. -LlywelynII (talk) 15:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

text: From the Spanish Wikipedia article, it seems that Solis was certainly Spanish, and he might have been born in Portugal or not. It also seems that he sailed for Portugal and left them for French pirates because the money was better, and only later did he sign up with the Spanish crown. It would be interesting to assess how authoritative is the lone reference given, which BTW is by an English author, who has historical reasons to favor Portugal over Spain. elpincha 13:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Spanish Wikipedia article is wrong. He was not Spanish. There are various primary sources in the Archivo de Indias of Seville referring to him as 'The Portuguese Juan Diaz de Solis'. He was born Joao Dias da Solis in Portugal, and moved to Spain from Portugal in 1504. If you want to verify this, go into the Archivos Españoles en Red. There are many digitized documents relating to Diaz de Solis from the early 1500s. Whether the reference was by an English author is neither here nor there, and it is plain ridiculous to assume that he has some agenda favouring Portugal over Spain. Moreover, Stevenson was a respected cartographic historian, and such allegations have never been hurled at him. You seem to be a lone voice on that one. If, however, you can claim to be an authority of repute yourself, go right ahead and say that - if you can back it up with evidence. Damndirtyape  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.5.35 (talk) 20:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is generally accepted that Juan Díaz de Solís was born in Lebrija, Andalucia, Spain. Regarding the name controversy for the Río de la Plata, it should be noted that  it was also known as Río de Solís for some years (see Journal of Inter-American Studies, Vol. 2, No. 3. (Jul., 1960), page 240 )Asteriontalk 04:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally accepted by whom? Evidence is scant and there is no real evidence that he was Spanish. Again, have a look at primary sources.
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Confused as to why the article has been reverted to the Spanish version when dda certainly seems to have the best of the argument above. In any case, if someone could add a REDIRECT to this page from Juan de Solis, it'd be appreciated. It's currently missing. -LlywelynII (talk) 15:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Díaz is not a middle name. Family name, including paternal and maternal surnames, was Díaz de Solís. Nonetheless, it does not hurt to cover all possible mispellings in the title. Regards, Asteriontalk 13:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which was my point. Spanish names can be crazy long. Doesn't change the fact that people will search the English wiki for Juan de Solis if they forget the Diaz. -LlywelynII (talk) 15:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

text: He didn't "defect" to Spain because of dissatisfaction or more money.  He defected to Spain because he was wanted for murder in Portugal.  :) At least that's according to the commentaries of Afonso de Albuquerque.  "João de Solis" was assigned to pilot Albuquerque's ship, the Cirne in the 1506 India armada commanded by Tristão da Cunha.  But Solis murdered his wife and fled to Castile two days before the scheduled departure date (April 5, 1506), forcing Albuquerque's ship to remain in Belem for a few more days while awaiting assignment of a new pilot from the royal offices. Eventually, tired of waiting, Albuquerque appointed his ship's master, Diogo Fernandes Pereira, as the new pilot. (Quote from Comentarios: Port, Eng). Whether this João de Solis is the same person as Juan Diaz de Solis isn't certain.  But what is the likelihood of two prominent and well-trained pilots named "Solis" serving both Portugal and Spain in this period, with the timing matching the records in both countries?  (Of course it doesn't clarify Solis's nationality in either case; but it was customary for Portuguese commentators to refer to the nationality of foreign pilots, and no comment is made here.) Walrasiad (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unfortunately I haven't been able to track down the 1517 decree. It'd be helpful if I could read the original. Or perhaps you could transcribe the relevant passage? Walrasiad (talk) 17:19, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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