Talk:Los Angeles (disambiguation)

message: *Support - because uninformed readers should be able to search for "Los Angeles" and be directed to a proper disambiguation page instead of being redirected to Los Angeles, California. Who in their right mind is going to type in "Los Angeles (disambiguation)"? I mean apart from Wiki-geeks, who else? Green Giant 01:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Every case of articles with (disambiguation) in the title should be considered on it's own merits, but generally I don't agree with naming articles in this manner. For example, look at New York (disambiguation) - if you were to say "New York" to anyone without the word "city" or the word "state", some people would think you were referring to New York City and some would think you were referring to New York State. Am I the only one who thinks it is illogical to have the New York State article at New York when really it should be at New York State? I don't think people should be daunted by the prospect of there being hundreds of articles in a similar situation. Green Giant 21:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Is the state of New York called "New York", or "New York State"? There seems to be some inconsistency with these types of disambiguaton pages, because Las Vegas is a disambiguation page, when it probably should redirect to Las Vegas, Nevada (following the Los Angeles example). Masaruemoto 23:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: **It's kind of dumb, but the big bone of contention there is that many people think of Las Vegas as referring to the Las Vegas Strip, parts of which are in the unincorporated Township of Paradise, Nevada. See Talk:Las Vegas#Requested move for more in-depth discussion, none of which seems to be applicable here. Ewlyahoocom 03:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: * The state government website says "New York State" but not "State of New York" or just "New York". The state senate website refers to the "New York State Senate" but not "New York Senate" or "State of New York Senate" while the state assembly website does the same in it's case. I know the U.S. states article calls it the "State of New York" but I would favour the government website. Green Giant 00:24, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: *Double oppose. Oppose both moving Los Angeles (disambiguation) to Los Angeles and having the discussion here as opposed to being at Talk:Los Angeles (disambiguation). Georgia guy 22:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Sorry but this proposal is not about moving the city article to Los Angeles as your example of San Francisco suggests. It's about having the disambiguation page at Los Angeles. Green Giant 21:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: **San Francisco redirects to San Francisco, California. Do you notice any similarity in having Los Angeles redirect to Los Angeles, California? See the above mentioned talk page for full discussion as to why this should be the case. Ewlyahoocom 03:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: * I read the full discussion when you originally offered the comparison. All I can see is Georgia guy saying "This is the primary meaning. Other meanings can be found at San Francisco (disambiguation). Having this article at San Francisco, California leads people into thinking that this is not the primary meaning and that the dis-ambiguation page can be at San Francisco". That is not the case with "Los Angeles" because the primary meaning could be any of the three articles - Los Angeles, California, Los Angeles County, California or Greater Los Angeles Area. People from outside LA will not all be thinking of the city proper - I am quite sure some people think the Greater LA area is the city proper. The naming convention used for US cities means most of them are CITYNAME, STATE and that is not something I am arguing against. What I am arguing for is clarity, because I can see even in the "oppose" votes there is confusion. Reginmund and 70.55.84.13 oppose the proposal because "the smoggy metropolis/metro Los Angeles is obviously/clearly the primary usage", even though Los Angeles redirects to the article on the city proper whereas the "smoggy metropolis" is actually at either Los Angeles County, California or Greater Los Angeles Area. Please look at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page_naming_conventions which quite clearly states that it isn't mandatory to have the disambiguation page at "Term XYZ (disambiguation)". In the same way it isn't mandatory to keep this disambiguation page here when there is a primary name which isn't occupied by an article. Green Giant 13:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: *Precisely which definition of "metro Los Angeles" do you mean? If it's the city proper then that's fine because the Los Angeles page already redirects there but the city proper isn't a metropolis. The actual metropolitan area includes LA City plus the rest of LA County and Orange County. There is also the five-county Greater Los Angeles Area which is also a defined metropolitan area. This is the core problem with all of these (disambiguation pages) - nobody is thinking from the perspective of the uninformed reader. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has never lived in or anywhere near California but has heard of "Los Angeles". They might not know that LA proper is actually a small part of the Greater LA area. When they search for "Los Angeles" in Google or in the Wiki search bar to the left, it should take them to Los Angeles which should list any of the three main articles and allow the reader to select which definition they want to read about. Green Giant 13:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: * Please explain what you mean by "the City and the County of Los Angeles aren't the same locations"? Are they physically separate? The City of Los Angeles is a subset of Los Angeles County, which is a subset of the LA Metropolitan Area (with Orange County), which is a subset of the Greater Los Angeles Area (LA County, Orange County and three other counties). I know this because I am an informed reader but Wikipedia must operate on the basis that readers don't know the first thing about the topic beyond it's name. You cannot assume that all users will be aware of the different definitions - some people think the Greater LA Area is the City of LA. The whole point of dab pages is to inform users that there is more than one article with that name. Since the three main articles on LA (the city, county and greater LA articles) could all legitimately claim to be the primary article on "Los Angeles" it makes sense to have a dab page at Los Angeles so that users can then see a list of all the possible articles related to the name "Los Angeles". How many readers do you think will search for "Los Angeles (disambiguation)" as opposed to "Los Angeles"? Green Giant 00:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose 

message: no, but for real is Los Angeles USA 2607:FB91:8882:4803:41EB:B5B7:C933:1AD5 (talk) 09:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is los Angeles in the USA?