Talk:Finnish Declaration of Independence

message: Speech delivered by J. V. Stalin at the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on December 22, 1917  The other day representatives of Finland applied to us with a demand for immediate recognition of Finland’s complete independence and endorsement of its secession from Russia. The Council of People’s Commissars resolved to give its consent and to issue a decree, which has already been published in the newspapers, proclaiming Finland’s complete independence. Here is the text of the decision of the Council of People’s Commissars: “In response to the application of the Finnish Government for recognition of the independence of the Finnish Republic, the Council of People’s Commissars, in full conformity with the principle of the right of nations to self-determination, resolves to recommend to the Central Executive Committee: a) to recognize the state independence of the Finnish Republic, andb) to set up, in agreement with the Finnish Government, a special commission (composed of representatives of both sides) to elaborate the practical measures necessitated by the secession of Finland from Russia.” Naturally, the Council of People’s Commissars could not act otherwise, for if a nation, through its representatives, demands recognition of its independence, a proletarian government, acting on the principle of granting the peoples the right to self-determination, must give its consent. The bourgeois press asserts that we have brought about the complete disintegration of the country, that we have lost a whole number of countries, including Finland. But, comrades, we could not lose Finland, because actually it was never our property. If we forcibly retained Finland, that would not mean that we had acquired it. We know perfectly well how Wilhelm forcibly and arbitrarily “acquires” entire states and what sort of a basis this creates for mutual relations between the peoples and their oppressors. The principles of Social-Democracy, its slogans and aspirations, consist in creating the long-awaited atmosphere of mutual confidence among nations, and only on such a basis is the slogan, “Workers of all countries, unite!” realizable. All this is old and well known. If we closely examine the circumstances in which Finland obtained independence, we shall see that the Council of People’s Commissars, actually and against its own wishes, granted freedom not to the people, not to the representatives of the Finnish proletariat, but to the Finnish bourgeoisie, which, owing to a strange conjuncture of circumstances, seized power and received independence from the hands of the Russian Socialists. The Finnish workers and Social-Democrats find themselves in the position of having to receive freedom not from the Socialists of Russia directly, but through the Finnish bourgeoisie. Regarding this as a tragedy for the Finnish proletariat, we cannot help remarking that it was only because of their irresolution and unaccountable cowardice that the Finnish Social-Democrats did not take vigorous measures to assume power themselves and wrest their independence from the hands of the Finnish bourgeoisie. The Council of People’s Commissars may be abused, may be criticized, but no one can assert that it does not carry out its promises; for there is no force on earth that can compel the Council of People’s Commissars to break its promises. This we have demonstrated by the absolute impartiality with which we accepted the demand of the Finnish bourgeoisie that Finland be granted independence, and by proceeding at once to issue a decree proclaiming the independence of Finland. May the independence of Finland help the emancipation of the Finnish workers and peasants and create a firm basis for friendship between our peoples.  Pravda, No. 222, December 23, 1917
:Comment ~ I think this is relevant to this article. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: THE INDEPENDENCE OF FINLAND

message: At the end of the article it is talking about the 9 rowers symbolising 'a true Finnish trait: Collaboration'. Not sure if this is intended as an insult or the result of poorly worded English compliment. Either way, it looks like a slant at Finland's role in WW2 and even if it isn't, its not exactly NPOV. I'm going to remove it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.215.92 (talk) 04:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaboration?

message: The article could do with some information or comments about why Russians so easily led Finland go. Filanca (talk) 19:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In June I added something about the context, but now in fi-wiki we decided to keep Independence of Finland and Finnish Declaration of Independence as separate articles, and I plan to move the background in the former article. --Tappinen (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have now split the former article in two, as explained above. --Tappinen (talk) 07:36, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

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