Talk:Uyghur detainees at Guantanamo Bay

message: Why doesn't A'Del Abdu Al-Hakim appear to be in the list of people in the article? Is he the same person as Adel Abdulhehim?  —Wookipedian 22:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[A'Del Abdu Al-Hakim]] 

message: A  tag was applied to this article in July.  At the time the tag was applied the article had close to one hundred references.
A  tag was applied to this article in August.  The tag placer has not yet explained the reasoning behind their decision to place this tag.  
A  tag was applied to this article in November.  The tag placer has not yet explained the reasoning behind their decision to place this tag.  
I plan to wait a reasonable amount of time, and then remove these tags.  Geo Swan (talk) 19:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well nothing has changed so I have gone ahead and done it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.180.108.82 (talk) 23:17, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  responsible use of tags 

message: I am very concerned that this edit suggests the excising contributor doesn't understand WP:VER.  The personal doubts any of us may feel about a WP:RS's credibility do not justify excising referenced material claiming it is from a "questionable source".  Our personal opinins are irrelevant.  The opinions and positions expressed in WP:RS on the other hand, count -- even if we personally disagree with them.  Geo Swan (talk) 19:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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message: User:Iqinn has justified hundreds of controversial edits with edit summaries that assert a justification that the material being excised is "dehumanizing", including this one.  The edit summary User:Iqinn used here was "name corrections and clarify by removing the confusing dehumanizing additional names".
I have repeatedly asked User:Iqinn which wikipedia policy, guideline, or established consensus he was relying on in concluding this material was "dehumanizing".
I am sorry to say that although I really made a great effort to find a meaningful, substantive justification in the explanations offered by this wiki-id, I wasn't able to find one.
It seems to me the exact opposite is true.  These individuals are known by multiple names.  If readers come to this article, looking for information on a particular Uyghur captive after reading their name in a press report.
If anything is "dehumanizing", I suggest it obfuscating the the captives names so readers can't find information about that individual they are looking for.
At the time User:Iqinn obfuscated the other names the captives were known by each of their alternate name was a wikilink.  That must have been left from when I made sure there was a redirect for all the known names.  That was a mistake.  Each individual should have had just one wikilink.  But I continue to believe
it is essential to list all the known names the captives were known by.  
I suggest this revision be rolled back.  
Because all my previous attempts to ask User:Iqinn for an explanation of his "dehumanizing" concern I am going to ask for opinions on WP:BLPN -- WP:BLPN#WRT claims material has to be excised because it is "dehumanizing".  Geo Swan (talk) 15:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am looking forward to this discussion and for the ad hominum part and extensive name calling i would like to remind you on WP:CIVIL. IQinn (talk) 16:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The "dehumanizing" objection doesn't hold up.   What matters here is notablity.  If Geo Swan can show the alternate names have been widely used in reliable sources, they can and should be included.  If they haven't been used in a RS, they cannot.  Fell Gleaming(talk) 17:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  WRT "dehumanizing" 

message: Several news reports indicate that the Uighurs trained in camps in Afghanistan, and according to their testimony learned how to fire AK-47s for the cause of "liberation." http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/04/the_uighurs_in_their.php
While they maybe innocent of fighting against the US, there is no disputing that they received arms training for the separatist movement in Xinjiang. So to definitively call them innocent is unfair to China.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.49.140 (talk) 23:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed the word "innocent" from the first graf 

message: I'm wanting to revert recent changes by Kirbytoo as an edit made by a banned user, but I'm not quite sure if I want to remove the content he has added. Hto9950 18:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sock of banned user Zhoban 

message: The User:Iqinn wiki-id was active for approximately 28 months.  For most of that time the individuals behind that wiki-id devoted something like 80 plus percent of their edits was either to material I had first contributed, or was about material I had first contributed.
I think the record shows I spent 100s of hours trying to get those using the Iqinn ID to cooperate, be collegial, and participate in civil discussion when they felt they had policy based disagreement.  Those pleas for collegiality were, I am sorry to say, routinely rejected.
When I took a semi-wiki-break in response to the constant temptations to engage in edit-warring the Iqinn ID presented me with the individuals using this ID turned their edit-warring to other contributors.  I managed to refrain from responding the Iqinn's edit war triggers.  When I took that semi-wiki-break Iqinn's new targets didn't.  Iqinn and his targets were given blocks, for edit-warring, of increasing length, until they were finally given indefinite blocks.
Following that indefinite block I considered, and rejected, the idea of generally reverting Iqinn ID, where-ever we disagreed.  I rejected that temptation because some of the ID's initiatives did have some third party support.
However, initiatives where Iqinn neither sought or won any support, and for which I do not believe anyone could support, I think I can safely revert on my sole judgment.  Guantanamo held individuals from several dozen nations.  I updated the articles about the individuals from particular nations with a field stating the date when the individual was transferred from Guantanamo.  If they were still in GuantanAMAO I left the field blank.  It represented about 5 minutes work, per individual.  
The Iqinn ID started changing the tables, placing "held" for individuals still in custody, and "released" for those released.  I argued that placing the actual date was more useful.  I pointed out it made it possible for the table to be sorted on release date.  Iqinn never offered a meaningful defense, but went ahead and altered the tables on all the several dozen articles to use their, IMO, inferior scheme.
I believe this is the kind of disruptive editing I should feel free to revert on my sole judgment.  Geo Swan (talk) 18:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
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