Talk:Montezuma

message: :Montezuma is an older spelling of the name now more correctly spelled Moctezuma (or hypercorrectly as Motecuhzoma).
J. Richard Andrew's Introduction to Classical Nahuatl says that the name is pronounced . Although he prefers the spelling Moteuczoma, Motecuhzoma is not an incorrect way of representing the same phonemes, and Moctezuma is just wrong. Nahuatl doesn't have a . --Ptcamn 08:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion of spelling of Moctezuma

message: :If you ever said "Montezuma" in Mexico, inmediately you would be corrected  :) ... In Mexico the official spelling is Moctezuma, while Montezuma is perceived as a corruption and a case of colonialism... (see the article of Mexico about the "Mejico" spelling, there is a lot of nationalism involved ). Moteuczoma, Motecuzoma, and motehcuzoma are forms that try to respect the original nahuatl pronunciation,(although the "u" is barelly audible, al least the spaniards did not perceive it...) they are comon in manuscript written by aztecs and pestizos after the conquest, and recently are being promoted again as being more respectfull bewtween schollars..  Nanahuatzin 21:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even educated people or anyone who has ever cracked open a book on the subject in the US uses "Moctezuma"... We don't go with popular misnomers because they are more common...  ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 14:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Moctezuma is the more common used in the wikipedia, while Montezuma may be a more popular use, Moctezuma is the preferred spelling in scholarly articles. Nanahuatzin 15:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Arguments for Moctezuma

message: I can understand that Moctezuma is the correct spelling in Mexico, but that does not matter for the English wikipedia. All of the above can be mentioned in the relevant articles, but the name we have to use is the most common name in the English language. Please read the rationale on Wikipedia:Use English and Wikipedia:Use common names. User:Codex Sinaiticus says Montezuma is used even when speaking of the Emperors Moctezuma. I think this means it is the "common usage" for the name of the emperors, so the articles should be moved. Btw, if I remember well the Age of Empires Aztec campaign uses "Montezuma". Anyway, I don't think we can decide on our own; I will organize a vote one of these days. Piet 07:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that this case was up for debate on the RfC. IMO Montezuma is the form that is most common in English. I have basically always heard of Montezuma. What seems to be trouble is what is more politically correct, is that true? This is difficult to judge, because we need to balance between two cases here. Also see the case of Tiwanaku, which I thought was always "Tihuanaco", maybe this can help... Gryffindor 09:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Arguments for Montezuma

message: #Moctezuma, but needs to be redirect through Montezuma, and it wouldn't hurt to  mention Montezuma as a former Anglo spelling at least once in each affected article. 'Standard' might still imply Montezuma (which outnumbers Moctezuma 5:1 on google, though not in the scholarly press), but the latter is blatantly rapidly becoming the standard, if it isn't changed now it will be in the near future.Bridesmill 16:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moctezuma votes

message: #Maybe in 20 years "Moctezuma" will be more popular in English (I won't predict the future here), but certainly "Montezuma" is far more used today.  We have to remember that Wikipedia is written for lay English speakers,  not Mexican Spanish speakers, and certainly not scholars.  Our primary job here is to educate persons who have only heard of "the halls of Montezuma".--Pharos 03:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Montezuma votes