Talk:Vladimir Antyufeyev

message: If we know that he was a "high official" then that implies that we have a source. If we have a source then we ought to be able to specify the rank. It would be great if we could be less vague here, please. A rank (perhaps with a year or range of years in parenthesis) would make for a more useful article. - Mauco 04:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bogdan's new source in Russian answered the rank issue, and added several other info. I've added all of this now, so this item, regarding rank in Riga, is now settled. - Mauco 12:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's appreciated that you identified Antjufeev's rank and added Alksnis as the initiator of his ingress to the PMR. However, you also eliminated the historical references and context, specifically, that his PMR presence was orchestrated from a larger previously Baltic-focused contingent, and that Antjufeev's characterization of his presence was as part of "Russian freedom forces." (Antjufeev quote reference is Latvian website, Noziegumi pret cilvēci.)  I'm assuming that removing that he supervised the OMON forces in Riga was an oversight in the editing process. That said, I haven't had a chance to look through all the Transnistrian articles—was your edit meant to imply that information eliminated was better suited for inclusion elsewhere? Otherwise I'll be putting it back in to supplement your change. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 18:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "High official" 

message: Is a fact that Antyufeev is wanted by Latvian authorities "charged with involvement in armed attacks that resulted in homicide"? If yes, it should be included in the article. We shouldn't write in the article if Latvian authorities are right or wrong, but we should mention the facts.--MariusM 13:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with MariusM. It is relevant. It must certainly be included. Here's how to do it, so you do it right: Find the Interpol listing, then use that as the source. If he is wanted for homicide, and since he is not on Latvian soil, then surely they have filed a request with Interpol. Later, it is up to the courts (in an extradition case, in whatever country he is apprehended in) to review whether or not they will extradite based on the Latvian file or if they deem this to be a trumped-up political charge. That is not for Wikipedia to pass judgment on. We must merely state that he is wanted, and if we can point to the wanted page on the Interpol website, then we are on solid ground. As for anything less, we should be a bit careful and should discuss it first. This is not because of any great love on my part for Antyufeev but merely because I want to follow Wikipedia's criteria for biographies of living people, which is quite a bit stricter than other articles in general. - Mauco 14:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have to remove the murder charge if it is only substantiated with hearsay from Romanian newspapers. Sorry, guys, but you need to know how strict Wikipedia's rules are on biographies of living people. If this charge is real, surely there is an Interpol record somewhere. Bring it on. Find it, let us have it in the article. In fact, if it is real, it is such an important part of the public persona that the accusation should have a prominent place in the beginning of the article. - Mauco 02:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, then we can use the BBC report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/romanian/news/story/2004/09/040927_moldova.shtml bogdan 08:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Much better, thanks. And if someone can please find the Interpol thing, that would be great too. - Mauco 14:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  "Is considered" by whom? By the author of the article? By the U.S. State Department? By Russia? By an official statement issued by Moldova's foreign ministry? By a U.N. report? Just so you all know, there was talk of firing him in August and he gave a rambling news conference (reported in the press) that lasted for several hours, he was clearly desperate to hold onto his job, so maybe some of these reports should be considered in light of recent events. - Mauco 15:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have some photos of the August panic. He looks like he is unravelling. He does not look like someone who is the power behind the power. - Mauco 04:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've given your response some thought. On the one hand, I have the Jamestown Foundation, one of the preeminent think tanks and research institutions saying Anyufeyev is the power behind the throne. On the other, I have you saying, "The guy was on TV, there's talk of firing him, he's coming apart at the seams." I will be expanding the article to indicate that he has been reliably reported as the power behind the throne (something less colorful). If you wish to dispute based on observances, that qualifies as original research. If you say, no it's not original research, then we'll have to revisit the referendum page, where people have indicated that Transnistrians (family members) were told to go vote and told how and put it in the article. You can't claim original research when it disputes your position but then claim observation (original research) to dispute that which doesn't suit your own position. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 00:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was not observing on anything that I wanted included in the article, Vecrumba. I was merely commenting in general, for the benefit of other Transnistria-watchers who might follow this thread. I am sure that informed observers know the real score on Anyufeyev AND the real score on Vladimir Socor. So whatever you include, be sure to state specifically that this is what Jamestown's writer thinks. His analysis has a history of being wrong more often than being right. I base this on having reviewed more than a decade of his writings, and even having read his old book (from back in the seventies) on Romanian politics. - Mauco 15:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not going to disavow Jamestown Foundation materials as POV the same way one would need to disavow BHHRG materials. Let's be serious here. It's your personal analysis (original research) that the Jamestown Foundation (regarded as a NPOV organization) information is flawed. If you structure your contributions less on your personal analysis of the situation and what you personally want to portray and stick to sources widely regarded as (a) reputable and (b) non-partisan, then you could spend more time contributing and less time disputing. Jamestown Foundation says X but Mauco says Y is not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. I can be just as much of a self-appointed expert, so let's not go there. And to date, Shmulevich as an example, you have not been impressive in your scholarly thoroughness. I don't mean that as an attack, I think we both know you're capable of better. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 19:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In what regards Transnistria, Jamestown's only voice is Socor. If you follow him, you know who he is and what he uses his pulpit for. Shmulevich almost compares favorably. I rest my case. - Mauco 19:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wanted" in Latvia? 

message: I'm a bit concerned that in transliterating (it looks to be one-for-one to Latin alphabet, and I think I recall seeing a Wiki mapping table somewhere), the last name isn't quite right. The double vowel is not pronounced like a "long e" in English, which is how Antyufeev reads. In the Baltic/Slavic languages it's been transliterated to Antjuvejev, and in English (including on official EU sites), to "Antyufeyev." I would move that we add the "second 'y'" and rename the article (with a redirect from the old) to "Vladimir Antyufeyev." Thoughts? —Pēters J. Vecrumba 02:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. However, do a redirect so he can be found under both spellings. (The last thing we want is for this international master criminal to slip through the cracks of Wikipedia, never to be found again. By the way, did anyone ever find out if there is REALLY an Interpol file on him or if that is just bad press?) - Mauco 03:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm up to my eyeballs but will get to that in the next day or two. On Interpol, I've found more (past) references to him being wanted by Interpol, but have held off posting anything while I try to get some more details. Unfortunately, neither the Interpol nor the Latvian State Police web sites lend themselves to any sort of investigating. (Rather odd, but then again, I suppose it's a case of not tipping off the bad guys to what information you really have.) —Pēters J. Vecrumba 16:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could be, but the FBI has huge success with their "FBI 10 Most Wanted" webpage. It is one of the most visited law enforcement pages in the world, and the Internet has helped catch criminals. If you find the Interpol entry for Antyufeev we can and should of course link to it. Either as a reference (to text in the article) or as an external link. - Mauco 16:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Do they at least publish their "red" or "most wanted" list? Where? And is he on it? - Mauco 19:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Interpol's web site has a hand-full of most wanted (genocide, terrorists and the ilk), that's about it. Put another way, assuming the allegation of murder against Antyufeyev is valid and still in force, he wouldn't have killed enough to even rate being on the list. Interpol shows nothing systematic by all participating countries, or most wanted in each country, etc., etc. Unfortunately, the Interpol response was quite clear that the only recourse for information is to contact the respective country authorities. So this will take a while. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 21:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, thanks for letting us know. Good luck with that, and please keep us posted when you hear something, even if it takes a while. - Mauco 23:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Are we using the most accurate transliterated spelling?

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