Talk:Faisal of Saudi Arabia

message: There is hardly any mention on the oil embargo or the possible link to his assassination. Just a statement dismissing the whole view. Is this truly an encyclopedia, or a propaganda machine?; The article gives a completely different impression about that turbulent part of history.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.129.241 (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: seems like a propaganda machine to me!  The article is glowing with all his "development" achievements. 2.96.177.84 (talk) 06:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Oil Embargo And Assassination

message: Does anybody know who was behind the assassination? It is odd that I've never even seen any theories!
One theory that I read of was that King Fahd was indirectly responsible for it. He was the Minister of Interior at the time he order the execution of Khaled bin Musaid for killing a guard. King Feisal took the blame for it. And it was Khaled's brother Faisal bin Musaid who shot the late loveable King Faisal. King Fahd supposedly convinced Faisal bin Musaid that the late King Faisal was the killer and not him.
*The writer/social anthropologist Madawi Al Rasheed writes that they had to leave  Saudi Arabia after 1975..as her fathers sisters son Prince Faisal bin Musad had assassinated his paternal uncel, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. Nothing is mentioned about the Rashidi connection on the Prince Faisal bin Musad page, perhaps it should be? I am presently reading the book by Madawi Al Rasheed, does anybody else have a knowledge/opinion about it? -Look at the Rashidi page and discussion site for ref. Huldra 00:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old comments

message: There was a proposal that Faisal of Saudi Arabia be renamed and moved to King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, but no debate.
*Faisal bin Musad not King Faisal nephew as wrote in article he is son of Musad the younger brother of King , CIA was behind the assassination coz they gives the assassination plan while Faisal Bin Musad was in USA Qatarson 11:22, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

message: Is there a source for his interest in the Elders of Zion propaganda?  --Skritek 05:09, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Protocols

message: Any theory which may suggest outside intervention because his actions regarding oil caused great tubulence in the energy  hungry industriliazed countires. Perhaps CIA???
I am also surprised there is no discussion here regarding that. Living in the middleast, I often came across people touching this subject almost always as if it was a western (popularly) US assisted assasination. omerlivesOmerlives 12:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Richard Deacon - The Israeli Secret Service - suggests that the CIA provided the tip-off but that the true source of the intelligence was Israel - which was keeping an eye on Libya and Ghadaffi.  The intelligence was traded for other intelligence, such as aiding the secret nuclear programme.  It's possible that many earlier coup attempts on the Saudi dictator could have been prevented, the price paid for the bomb. 2.96.177.84 (talk) 06:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Assasination Theories

message: Beit Or can you stop blindly reverting my edits, esp. when I am giving the article a more logical order. I also added a source for the fact that he was a fan of a roick group. Also, your implicit declarations that I'm "stalk[ing]" you are offensive and uncivil. If you have any objections to the sources, please state them here.Bless sins 18:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:STALK. You never edited this article before, only reverted my contributions, minutes after I made them. Regarding your comment on content, Jews are not a "foreign nation", and making antisemitic attacks is not "relations" with Jews, just antisemitism. Beit Or 18:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not revert your edits. Yes, I shifted content around, and re-sectioned the article. His comments are mostly regarding Israel. Jews can be considered a nation that is foreign to Saudi Arabia. Nation: A nation is not a state, and while traditionally monocultural, it may also be multicultural in its self-definition. Also "relations is the most NPOV way to put his comments. In anycase, Faisal is far more noted for other things. WP:NPOV#Undue_weight demands we give very little weight to this issue.Bless sins 18:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It seems Beit Or, that you are not interested in improving this article, rather just throwing dirt at the man.Bless sins 18:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely his attitude towards Jews - who are not a "foreign nation" - are far more notable than the lyrics to Grateful Dead songs.Proabivouac 23:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes and I have removed neither. You on the other hand, are selectively removing content. I am saying that his quote on Israel should be shortened for sake of due wieght. Jews are foreign to Saudi Arabia. They are not the indigenous pop. There are also a nation. I think you are confusing "nation" with "nation state".Bless sins 23:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Last I checked, Jews are a religious and ethnic group.Proabivouac 23:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you really want, we can change the title to "peoples" instead of nations. That woudl work better in light of Faisal's relation with the American rock bands.Bless sins 00:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not certain that the Grateful Dead trivia needs to be here at all, but, as the song was supposedly written on the occasion of his assassination, I've moved it to that section.Proabivouac 00:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That song is more illustrative of his relations to other nations, than it is to his death. In any case it is no more "trivia" than Faisal's liking Protocols of Elders of Zion.Bless sins 00:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Being a Deadhead has nothing to do with foreign policy.Proabivouac 00:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ofcourse not. And I never said that. But does have to do with one's personal interests. And it also has to do with how others view that person.Bless sins 01:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kindly refrain from hampering attempts to make the article better and more neutral Beit Or, there's no dedicated section for the communists. thestick 08:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop it

message: OK, there is no source for the protocols issue, so I removed it, but writing in support of the concept of the blood libel is not only a reference to the antisemitism issue, but is patently antisemitic in and of itself. Anyone disagree? -- Avi 16:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Just as I can't go around hurling accusations of Islamophobia without a source, you shouldn't deface Arab leaders with accusation of anti-semitism, uinless you have a reliable source.Bless sins 18:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. But the protocols have now been properly sourced by Beit Or, and the blood libel has always been sourced, so the antisemitism tag is properly applied. Anyway, I am of the belief that Faisal would not have thought of it as defacement, but as a badge of honor. I mean, the blood libel is such a disproven canard, and such a disgusting accusation, that for someone to make such an accusation in the modern era strikes me a s person who would wear his hatred of Jews loudly and proudly. Of course, that is just my opinion, but it does not change the verified and reliable sourcing of the facts that demonstrate the need for the category. -- Avi 01:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Blood libel and belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion have now joined pogroms in an expanding list of things that, according to certain editors, aren't antisemitic.Proabivouac 01:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Blood Libel

message: Sorry people but this is silly.  The guy was not a fan of the Grateful Dead - I doubt he ever even heard of them.  The source that's been provided here only shows that some 'Dead lyricist wrote a song inspired by King Faisal, but that's it. Slackerlawstudent 19:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this section.  One person, Robert Hunter (lyricist) claims that Faisal was a fan.  Maybe there was confusion because his assassin Faisal bin Musaid was in the US around 1970 and arrested for selling LSD and Hashish.  It seems more likely that his assassin was a fan of the Grateful Dead.  Follow up conversation will be on Talk:Blues_for_Allah.  Cxbrx (talk) 04:54, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grateful Dead 

message: Without proper sourcing, most of the article will have to be deleted as original research. -- Avi 00:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added the information today.  Please, be a little patient re:sources.  Also, I noticed you put a tag on every section, but there's already a tag at the very top that says the article is unsourced, so isn't what you just did a little redundant? It also makes the article unnecessarily ugly IMO Slackerlawstudent 01:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Redone. -- Avi 02:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.Slackerlawstudent 02:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are sources in Arabic acceptable? I haven't found any specific guidelines on that. Slackerlawstudent 22:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Acceptable if there is no English equivalent, and they have been verified. But they should be minimized as this is English wikipedia. The applicable guideline is here Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources in languages other than English. -- Avi 02:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This is about as well-sourced as any wikipedia article on Saudi Arabia.  Will you allow me to remove the tag?Slackerlawstudent 02:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work, Slacker. I moved the tag to the assassination section, which still has no sources, but you are to be commended. Well done! -- Avi 02:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed the last tag, after linking to a BBC source.  Nothing in that section is controversial or likely to be challenged anyway.Slackerlawstudent 10:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Bless sins, it would appear from the titles of the cited works that all these scholars are making precisely that allegation. However, I don't have a problem with the section title "Views on Jews;" Faisal's statements speak for themselves.Proabivouac 20:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most of this article is in serious need of sourcing 

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message: It said KSA maintained no relations with communist countries under his rule, yet the article Dates of establishment of diplomatic relations with the USSR shows that KSA and the USSR indeed had relations. Josh (talk) 17:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Relations with communist countries

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: So his first wife is also his own aunt (his father's favorite wife and Faisal's wife are sisters), and I added that fact and someone reverted it without justification. So I can learn, can someone help me understand why it was reverted?
- Dministrator (talk) 06:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It was reverted by me because you did not provide any source. On the other hand, his mother was not from Sudairi family. Therefore, she was not his aunt, but a sister of his father's wife, a step aunt maybe. But you must put a source, reliable one, of course. --Egeymi (talk) 07:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: His Marriage

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: In the section "Assassination", there is a sentence:
King Faisal was quickly taken to the hospital.
I suppose no specific hospital is intended, so the correct way to state this is:
King Faisal was quickly taken to hospital. HFS-er (talk) 22:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 05:18, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: Could you, please, be more specific and explain your reason for keeping "infobox person"? As I said in my edit summery, he's a royal figure. Hundreds of royals have been assassinated but still "infobox royal" is used on their articles. And by the way, it's already stated in the lede and in the relevant section that he was assassinated. I'll be glad if other users share their opinions as well. Keivan.fTalk 18:32, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: At the time of the edit my only reason was just for the assassination parameter. What advantage do we get from changing the infobox person to infobox royalty? I am not denying that he is royalty, and it is even used as module so the information is still kept. I do not think that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is a good enough argument, especially if there was non discussion and it is just a result of following a bad status quo. I too would also appreciate the opinions of other users. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: Change "zionism" to "Zionism". Minor edit, correcting a misspelling.
BTW I've been a registered user and frequent editor for years, but I guess I haven't reached 500 edits yet. I won't be too far off, though!) James Dunlap (talk) 21:05, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 April 2018 

message: It would be a good idea to nominate this page for good article status. It is an article and biography of good quality. Векочел (talk) 12:15, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You could always nominate the article. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:56, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article nomination 

message: The introduction of the article erroneously refers to a 1973 "boycott."  It was an embargo.  "Boycott" has a meaning that in no way applies to the oil embargo of 1973.
The sentence should read: He led an oil embargo in 1973 which caused an oil crisis. 42GeoCPU (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated. Thanks, . HaEr48 (talk) 18:22, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 September 2019 

message: The source for King Faisal's speech under the content "King of Saudi Arabia" is wrong. Please change it from "Sherifa Zuhur (31 October 2011). Saudi Arabia. ABC-CLIO. p. 52. ISBN 978-1-59884-571-6." to "Mordechai Abir (1987). "The Consolidation of the Ruling Class and the New Elites in Saudi Arabia". Middle Eastern Studies. 23 (2): 150–171. doi:10.1080/00263208708700697. JSTOR 4283169." The quote can be found on page 156 in the updated source by Mordechai Abir that I provided above. Thank you.
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replies: text: Done However, the template Template:Cite journal was transcluded directly in the article. You can see my changes here. P,TO 19104  (talk) (contribs)  14:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 December 2020 

message: Under the section Struggle with King Saud it now reads:
The description of the file doesn't mention who is who. It is very obvious though that the standing person on the left is Faisal; Saud is thus not the one on the left but on the right. 77.164.133.132 (talk) 12:15, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Would be nice if someone took notice and corrected the caption. 77.164.133.132 (talk) 16:02, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  After I placed the notifications above, you obviously found time to edit rather unimportant things in the header of this talk page twice. Could you please also have a look at the content of my message, and then correct the erroneous caption of the image in the semi protected page? As stated above, the description of the image doesn't mention who is who, so someone already (erroneously) interpreted the image based on their own observation. 77.164.133.132 (talk) 15:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry about it, but I did not want to involve this issue. From now on I will. It would also be appropriate if you ping the editors who reverted your edits. --Egeymi (talk) 15:24, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have, if any of my edits had been reverted. I use this talk page to advocate the correction of an error because I cannot edit the semi protected article. 77.164.133.132 (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in caption 

message: Today someone changed an article sub-heading Yom Kippur War to Ramadan War with the reason  I am of the opinion that WP:NEUTRAL would have Yom Kippur be used in the sub-heading. Векочел (talk) 17:40, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yom Kippur War 

message: Change name from “Faisal” to “King Faisal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud“ X1KSAX (talk) 05:22, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: no valid reason given for the proposed change. M.Bitton (talk) 09:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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