Talk:Seventh generation of video game consoles/Archive 1

message: Maybe the GP2X should be added to the handhelds list.
Nsteinberg 01:52, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: GPX2

message: * Because seventh generation era is overly generic, and for consistency with the other History of video games articles such as History of video games (32-bit / 64-bit era) 132.205.46.163 21:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move Request

message: I think the Game Boy Micro should be moved to the seventh generation because it was released in 2005. Thief Lord 14:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is why generations is really hard to do. The Game Boy Micro isn't a next-gen system. It's just a repackaging of a previously released system. The fact that it was released in 2005 doesn't necessarily make it apart of this generation. IMHO anyway. K1Bond007 03:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed- for that same reason (despite it being still manufactured and sold until I believe up to a year ago), the redesigned PSOne isn't considered to be in the same generation of consoles as the PS2, Box and Cube. Daniel Davis 10:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Boy Micro? 

message: Someone moved the page again, supposedly according to wikipedia capitalization standards. It would be nice if people who did that would propose it here first, since it now leaves us with a whole bunch of redirected links again. I'm thinking I should just move it back, I mean other articles like History of video games (Sixth generation era) still use the old style. Thoughts? Jacoplane 01:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't really matter to me (for capitalization), but I do agree that a page move request should probably have been proposed first. K1Bond007 04:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: Someone keeps changing it to 2005. This is inaccurate- the PSP first became availiable on December 12, 2004. Daniel Davis 10:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PSP Release Date 

message: It is suggested that comparison of seventh-generation game consoles be merged with this - 
I agree - and suggest pasting the whole page in at the suggestion point.HappyVR 23:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --Nick RTalk 23:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge comparison of seventh generation video game consoles

message: Would you agree it is not going to be any cheaper than the cheapest blu-ray player?  Currently $1K.  Daniel.Cardenas 20:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (you mean DVD ROM ? - spelling) I can't confirm this for you - it seems obvious though that eventually BD players will cost less than a PS3. Also note that 'lifestyle' DVD players still cost more than a PS2 even though 'mass market' DVD players can be got for the same price as a PS2 game. These are different businesses and usually 'first adopter' products cost more than then equivalent later in the product lifestyle. Maybe a better comparison would be with the prices of the first commercially available DVD players (with PS2 intial price).
?????HappyVR 21:10, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ps3 price compared to blu ray

message: The price of ps3 keeps getting changed - yet the edits never give any reason - since this is as far as I know all speculation shouldn't ps3 and revolution prices just say 'Unknown' in the table. Does anyone agree and want to change it?HappyVR 18:45, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we should say "unknown". Also, one of the links provided as a "source" for the PS3 price is broken. Redxiv 23:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: comparison of 7th gen vid game console - price

message: http://cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559p2.html indicates that the revolution will support vga out. Have there been any other news reports otherwise?
Erm, none I've seen, although (I think) it's likely that VGA out (and possibly DVI) will be included - whether the leads to so do are supplied as standard is another matter.HappyVR 17:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revolution VGA out 

message: Hello ! Does the Sega really count? seing as it's not really a 'console' not very easy to 'buy' and not exactly 'next gen'. Has someone been having a 'funny day'?HappyVR 17:55, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. Not a console. K1Bond007 21:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega Lindberg 

message: This article makes inappropriate overuse of x.  The following examples illustrate this.  From the PlayStation 3 comparison,
:x7 on Bluetooth 2.0, USB 2.0, Ethernet ports
From the Xbox 360 dimensions,
:12.15" x 10.15" x 3.27"
The first example (and all like it) should be reworded.  Something like "7 devices over Bluetooth 2.0, USB 2.0 ports, Ethernet port(s)" could be used instead.
The second example (and all like it) is a (very common) typographical faux-pas.  The times symbol, part of Unicode, ISO 8859, and Windows-1252, as well as supported by HTML 4, should be used instead.  It can be inserted by the character entity × or the numeric entities × or × and has a distinct appearance, which distinguishes it from x: 12.15 in × 10.15 in × 3.27 in.
Third, the use of the quotation mark (it is properly a double prime, but that's moot) to represent inches is uncommon outside of the United States.  It also has a double meaning of minutes (1/60th of a degree) when using the degrees-minutes-seconds notation.  The abbreviation "in.", the symbol "in", or the word "inches" should be used instead.
I will be more than willing to do this, but I would prefer a concensus about whether or not this would be an improvement first.—Kbolino 04:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The problem with x 

message: The "IGN: Microsoft's Xbox 360 vs. Sony PlayStation 3" supplies information I am quite sure is out of date. In one area it says the 360 has 80 billion shader operations per second compared to the PS3's 74.8 billion. That is quite different from the numbers the Wikipedia article displays. Which is incorrect, should the link be removed? Vibriante 19:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related Info 

message: Can we please stick with what's confirmed?  The "information" released by IGN should not be on there, mainly due to IGN's info needing five tonnes of salt a best.  Confirmed hardware only. -137.186.165.143 22:59, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Stats 

message: I heard somewhere that Ken Kutaragi said that it would be ten years from now that the PlayStation 4 will launch.  Therefore, the seventh generation era will last longer than any previous gaming era.  It would technically take longer to develop the eighth generation consoles. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 05:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ken Kutaragi says a lot of things, few of them true. 128.226.230.60 12:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The eighth-generation consoles will take more time to develop than the seventh and previous generation consoles did, and Kutaragi is calling PlayStation 4 his "dream console."  Henceforth, it is likely that the PlayStation 4 will launch in 2016 instead of 2011.  Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 07:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, this is entirely speculation. First off gaming generations are not fixed dates, they last as long as the systems do, secondly Sony would lose so much money waiting that long to release its  system . Even if they managed to remain ahead of the competition(doubtful) this time around, it would hardly help.   Lets stick to facts. 74.137.230.39 03:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the third generation would be the longest lasting if there were "specific" dates. 74.137.230.39 03:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no fixed length for console development.  There is no proof on the financial effects of having a long gaming generation era, and I do not like it when someone tells me the financial effects without proving it.  There is no proof that there is financial pressure to accelerate console development.  The financial effects depend on the launch price.  The higher the launch price means the longer the gaming generation.  Such commercial technique is currently financially untested.  The sixth generation lasted quite longer than the fifth generation.  Console prices decrease as the gaming generations pass in time.  The launch price for the PS3 (US$499 for the 20GB version and US$599 for the 60GB version) is higher than the launch price of its predecessor the PS2 (which is US$299), and having to wait longer to release the PS4 is the reason for that price.  If you are correct on this matter, PS4 is still unlikely to be released in 2011, but it will most likely be released between 2012 and 2016.  The decision on console development depends on technological evolution.  Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 05:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see what this has to do with the article at all. This is all speculation. This generation will last as long as it lasts. The end of a console generation is not necessarily when the next console is released, nor does the beginning of a new console generation mean the last generation has instantly ended. According to the timeline, there were years between the end of the "second generation" and the dawn of the "third generation". In either case, we stick to verifiable facts. We won't know how long this generation will be until it ends. Dancter 13:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the years between the end of the second gen and the beginning of the third gen are due to the video game market crash.  some aregue that the second gen continues on through that time.J.L.Main 02:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of the era 

message: What kicked of the 7th gen in late 2004?CDiddles
:Yeah, that seems like a mistake, especially when the article mentions later that the 7th gen started with the launch of the 360 in late 2005. I'll change it Rodeosmurf 03:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it was the launch of the DS and PSP that kicked off the seventh generation cosole wars, so I'll change it back.Imaninjapirate 20:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since when handhelds are considered as belonging to the "main console war"? One thing is the console, and another the handheld war (Ugh, I hate talking about a war). -- ReyBrujo 20:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Started in 2004? 

message: Bit dubious about the last section in the table 'Supports independant software developers' - this has to be shown.. Also nintendo have given some suggestion that they may 'help' independant software developers in terms of the virtual console. In the absence of any reason for keeping this section I would tend to remove it sometime in the future.HappyVR 20:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a reference given.  Makes it verifiable.  Wikipedia criteria is verifiable, not "shown". Daniel.Cardenas 21:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bit specific though isn't it....HappyVR 21:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are suggesting it is a worthless criteria.  If you look back and see what made the PC successful it was software.  Opening up the platform will allow much more software to be available.  For example: home automation software, home security, xchat, free education software, etc...  I don't think it is specific.  It think it is a boom for Sony and it is ultimately going to make the their platform hugely successful.  What do you think? Daniel.Cardenas 21:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not exactly what I was thinking - It's hardly a neutral question in one sense is it? How about a section 'available at present' or 'supports cordless pointing device natively'? The PS2 linux wasn't exactly great, and I remember sony's insistance that the PS2 was a computer hence the inclusion of 'YABASIC' on the demo disk - how good was that? Sorry to be negative on this point, however what I was suggesting that it's one sided to have this as a question when I think other questions of similar or equal importance could be asked - how about a more subtle section such as 'operating system details' or 'bundled software'?HappyVR 21:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think neutral is an issue.  The criteria should be based on what is important.  'available at present' is already there as release date.  You can rename that criteria if you want.  'supports cordless pointing device natively' you would have to make a case why people should be interested.  Perhaps it should be there.  In terms of software, that will make or break a system.  If there is a ton of software for one system, especially free software, that will definately be more interesting then a platform with more more limiting choices.  The comparison is not there to be neutral.  It is there to point out strengths and weaknesses of each choice.  Daniel.Cardenas 21:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think having a non neutral question is against the 'neutral point of view' criteria, and the question is very specific - what about simply asking 'programmable' - this probably gives the same answers - and if for example Microsoft decide to release a fortran programming package for the xbox then that could be included - my objection is that the question is weighted.HappyVR 21:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I think programmable in the terms you seemed to be suggesting for the PS3 ie free or by a standard software purchase - I'm not certain about exact details - I would say for free (or possibly after a small initial purchase - not more than the price of a standard game). However most software often includes some sort of license agreement - governing its use - especially when the software is intended to be used for profit. I wouldn't count a nintendo dev kit as programmable in this sense - even if it is cheap - it needs to be standard hardware and in a 'consumer software price range'. How about 'programmability supported for end user (or consumer)'- clearly it shouldn't include programmability for developers - thats not the point - or equal meaning description - that seems to cover it in a fair way.HappyVR 23:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, finding it difficult to get words... Put thinking cap on now. I think the heading should be split into two:1. Operating system - obviously this includes Linux and also the Xbox 360 Dashboard as well as the cross media bar2. Programmability. This should include any consumer orientated programmabilty options (and not developer orientated) obviously this includes the C tools for the PS3, don't think it has to be an exhaustive list - no doubt PowerPC language support under linux is quite extensive. I've made this change - hope it's ok - will need padding out with the correct information probably.HappyVR 00:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure about the value of the O.S. section but the customer programmable criteria looks good.  Daniel.Cardenas 15:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Independant software support

message: What's the standing on the number of PS3 controllers via Bluetooth? Some sources say that it can hold up to seven at once (due to how Bluetooth works), however it looks as if games will only support four players. The latest prototype controller has 4 LED's for player indication. -th1rt3en 05:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just as in the dark as anyone else. Everything I've seen that says the support is for up to four controllers seems to be speculation based on the fact that there are only four LEDs, and the stuff that says it can support up to seven controllers is based on pretty old press information. That press release I linked to is a year old. Sony's recent press material, on the other hand, is curiously silent on the issue. I figured it was safer to go with the "7" number for now, because it's the last thing Sony said about it. Dancter 07:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3's controller input 

message: Should a speculative article be started regarding the partially-inevitable Eighth Generation of Video Game consoles? What do you think? <BR>
dogman15 05:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Scheduled events should be included if the event is notable and almost certain only per 1st speculation policy. With no specific dates or participants, it is only speculation. -- ReyBrujo 05:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We had one, and then we removed it because there was nothing of substance there bar a minor Nintendo promise to offer HD. - Walshicus
Well, there will be an 8th generation (unless the world ends or World War 3 starts) but so far there has been no info (that I'm aware of) released about it, so it would just be a blank article, it would probably be better to wait until some information regarding the 8th generation comes out, then create the article. Shadoom1 23:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the current generation expected to last all the way until 2012? --164.107.92.120 06:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: about 2012, you can go back and look, video game generations last from about 5 to 6 years, so gen. 8 will probably start between 2010 and 2012.  i know that Sony wants gen. 7 to last till like 2015, but it ain't gona happen.  and a an 8th gen article wouldn't be blank, it would say, "the eighth generation of video games will probably begin somewhere between 2010 and 2014.  It will most likely include the Wii 2, the Xbox 3 and the Play station 4.  This of course is not certain and may not be comprehensive.  Also the names are pure speculation as no information has yet been released, exept for a possible mention of the wii 2 having HD capabilities.  It has been speculated that the Xbox3 will include a camera capable of tracking the movement of its users and not just the controller. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145348.html?page=2) Microsoft may also include other aspects of the TouchLight in the Xbox 3 if not completely incorporating the TouchLight into the Xbox 3. (http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6096513.html)  However this is highly unlike given the cast of the TouchLight which will initially cast upwards of $60,000 (http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/190900007).  It is far more likely that this technology will be included in the ninth or tenth generation."  wow, i didn't realizes i had so much to say on that subject.  but i guess you are still right, it shouldn't be created till there are some definite facts.  at least until some one announces something... anything. J.L.Main 09:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: there has been official information anounced on the eight generation.  Sony has confermed that there will be a PS4 and that it will be released after 2010. i'm going to wait untill one other peice of information is aunced conserning any console and then create the artical.  i have already created it under my profile, i just need to copy and paist now.  click on my name to read what i have so far.J.L.Main 08:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i created it.  there is now an artical on the eighth generation.J.L.Main 06:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eighth Generation? 

message: I've noticed that the GPU specs between on the Xbox 360 wiki entry and this one differ quite a bit. For example this page has 9b dot products, the other 24b. This page also shows 48b shader ops and the Xbox 360 entry has 80b. Anyone know which is correct?vortex 04:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And offical sources are great... but the 9.6 billion dot products only refers to CPU, not GPU as it states in the wiki. If the numbers can't be confirmed one way or the other they really should be removed.vortex 17:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistent specs on GPU

message: I think most would agree that lining up specs across three such wildly different architectures does not provide any useful comparison. Each spec sheet should belong at each console's individual Wiki entry.  It's the same reason handheld specs are not listed -- they don't make any sense comparing them. If handheld specs are not listed, then neither should consoles. Navstar 06:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specs moved to individual console entries 

message: Can someone make a picture similar to this one? Or can we just copy it into the article?  WP 03:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it is really useful for the article. Besides, final specifications for Wii and PS3 aren't still specified, so sizes may change. Once they are released, it may be easy to get such picture. -- ReyBrujo 04:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size comparison pic? 

message: it really isOwwmykneecap 18:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? mrholybrain's talk 02:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's nonsense to include handhelds in this 

message: These should be removed from the "New Franchises" section since they are NOT new franchises, they are just new series in existing franchises(Final Fantasy and Mega Man). If no one objects, I will do it tomorrow. TJ Spyke 05:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy XIII/Mega Man ZX 

message: So now all of the 7gen consoles have officially been released in some parts of the world, shouldn't the future product template be removed?
Also, are the areas labelled with cite needed really required? I mean it pretty obvious this gen of consoles are more competition for each other then previous times, and there is no official line drawn of when a new generation starts, it's just when the next version comes out; you don't need a citation to say the moon is round it's just common sense, this is the same principle.
Auxfusion 11:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future product & citerequired templates

message: The number of Wii sold has been deleated and so have all the refrence links, where did they go? 203.24.137.199 02:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: nexgenwars.com is not a reliable source, thus it can't be used as a reference. In example, it is not different from someone creating a Geocities page and uploading his own estimations. -- ReyBrujo 03:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with this, one day the site was reporting 700,000 Wiis were sold, the next day it was down to 400,000.  Several websites across the internet reported the amount incorrectly due to this.  Namely, playfuls.com the website that is now being used as a reference. -- Someone13 10:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  number of Wiis sold? 

message: There were some pretty bad grammar and spelling errors in the first paragraph, I didn't bother going any further, as I don't have the time. Might be something to read though though.
Shadic 05:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed Errors

message: The recently added Xbox 360 paragraph is full of pov and nonsensical statements like "Their most successful first-party game, Halo 3 is expected to come out in 2007", The nintendo paragraph seems to be filled with random claims and excessive links from competing company Gizmodo's website, and the first paragraph in the console war section says "over $100 million with both PlayStations" when the sixth generation article lists 106.23 million playstation2 units shipped, with a selling price of $100.00-$300.00. I dont have time to go back, find the edits and fix it right now, perhaps this article should be locked while it's still a hot topic?  
At any rate this article is in a very sorry state at the moment. Drn8 10:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PLease, will someone create an article and upload a picture for the FC Twin Video game System?  Thanks, --164.107.92.120 17:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: RV Console War, XBOX 360 paragraph, Nintendo paragraph, Lock? 

message: It's since been released in the USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.240.16.221 (talk • contribs) 
:We don't have reliable sources for US sales information. There are around 124,000 units sold in Japan as of last week. But we only add verifiable information, not made up numbers. -- ReyBrujo 17:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the PlayStation 3 expected to sell more over the long-term than the Xbox 360s and Wiis?  --164.107.92.120 00:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We do not have a crystal ball, sorry. -- ReyBrujo 01:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: God, I wish you did! :) --164.107.92.120 06:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 Sales completely wrong 

message: It's ridiculous we've got incomplete information (possibly due to fanboyism) and can't compare the two directly. DS article gives sales and PSP article gives shipped. Go figure. It's obvious the DS is doing better, but it'd be nice to know how better. Trip: The Light Fantastic 22:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, and the data is crazily out of date! Tphi 14:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we get shipment and sales figures for the DS and/or PSP? 

message: the xgp does not currently exist. i'm not really sure it should be listed at all. if at some point it sees some sort of release (physical rather than press!) then it can be added.24.151.24.216 23:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: xgp?

message: The article says the PS3 is being released on the 7th March. Is this confirmed or just speculation?
- Auxfusion 12:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmed European PS3 launch date? 

message: If a system with retro games built-in as the Atari Flashback volume systems does count, then the Sega Mega Drive PlayTV 6-in-1 (also known as Play TV Legends Sega Genesis) should also, doesn't it? Because it's the same exact type of system than the Atari Flashback one, with a bunch Mega Drive games built-in. If not, I think the Atari Flashback should be removed then. Mr Wesker 22:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shoot, if anything, add the other one to.  Let's be inclusive, see. --24.154.173.243 01:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: if we are going to be "inclusive" than we should list the PSone amongst the sixth gen consoles.  after all it was just a redisign of a previous console, no different from the flashbacks. J.L.Main 03:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me; list it! :) --24.154.173.243 21:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: your quite happy to list anything aren't you?  and if you are going to keep posting you really shoudl crat an account.J.L.Main 06:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think that we should be inclusive and comprehensive.  The other category is a great idea for putting items that claim to be consoles, but don't necessarily represent breakthrough technology.  I'd like to see the FC Twin added, because it's the first Famiclone to actually play both NES and SNES games.  AND it's readily available.  Type in FC Twin on ebay and you'll just about crap your pants when you see how many are listed!  In any case, way more easily available than the Tristar/Super 8 or Tristar 64, which I have yet to see on ebay or for sale anywhere else on the webarama. Best, --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 23:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe a "retro" topic should be created. After many of these are just re-releases of old consoles. If they had made there own platform or own technology (even if it's "old" new technology) then fair enough, but mostly they are just taking a old console and re-producing it. vortex 23:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i think that is far compromise.  having an "other" section for actual seventh gen consoles with pre-seventh gen tech. and than a "retro" for re-releases of pre-seventh gen consoles. J.L.Main 03:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be cool with that, i.e. two categories, one "other," one "retro."  Best, --172.130.38.176 15:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, i want to get one more person to say they like and then i will make the change.  i don't want it to become a huge fight like the wiimote argument on the wii talk page.J.L.Main 23:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: actually, how about “remakes” and other?  “remakes” sounds better as an encyclopedic term than retro does.J.L.Main 00:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds fine to me. However it should be "7th" gen console, not 5/6th gen that are still being made otherwise we will have hundreads of the things. vortex 01:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, are we more interested in the techonology or the chronology, i.e. when systems are released versus what's in 'em? Best, --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 03:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: well, thats the point. it was first released bac in the second generation.  its just being rereleased in the seventhJ.L.Main 04:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atari Flashback? And why not the Sega Mega Drive PlayTV 6-in-1?