Talk:Sherden

message: Does anyone have a public image of the Shardana that can be used in this article.  Unfortunately the Photos I took at Medinet Habu in November have not turned out satisfactory enough to use in this aticle.  John D. Croft 12:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo image of Shardana

message: I found out that User:80.171.10.248 is doing quite a lot of complex edits. They seem valuable (apart from a couple of unencyclopedic remarks that should have better left to this page), but these edits also seem to delete otherwise valuable information.
I'd like this user to sign up to the Wikipedia and discuss his/her changes on this page. In the meantime I'd try to merge old and new information in the hope of creating a more informative page.
--Cyclopia 18:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war arising?

message: Some authors? Who? Why do not you write your sources? Everybody knows that the Etruscan language gave origin to the Runic language. So, why we cannot accept the Shardana influence? There were many contacts between the Sardinians and the Etruscans during the 1st millennium BCE, and the Sardinians/Shardanas could have influenced the "viking" culture (meaning the culture of the ancient folks of Scandinavia, of course!) by the Etruscans. Besides reading: "Shardana i Principi di Dan" by Leonard Melis take a look at this link: "Alla diffusione dell’alfabeto etrusco si deve l’origine alle Rune, diffuse prevalentemente in Svezia (Sweden), ma anche in Danimarca (Denmark), Norvegia (Norway), alcune sulle isole della Frisia, una sessantina nel Regno unito (in U.K.) e 6 (tra le più antiche) in Romania (carried by Goths)." The Etruscan influence is a fact.
http://www.associazioneozone.net/territorio/ricerca-e-valorizzazione/articolo-desempio/
--Billy 19:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your sources, please 

message: Because of disinformation, I cut the article. I am reporting here the lines I deleted. 
"The Shardana ultimately derive from Ionia, in the central west coast of Anatolia, from which they migrated to Sardinia."
Archaeologically speaking there is no evidence that they were Ionians. This is not proved and we can support the contrary too, that's, the Shardanas went from Sardinia to Anatolia! Read the books written by Professor Ugas Giovanni, who studied under Prof. Lilliu, the most experienced archaeologist in this field, or go directly to: http://www.sardiniapoint.it/5085.html
"Furthermore, recent studies by geneticists on the DNA of inhabitants of the inner areas of the island confirm the presence of elements which are in common with those of people from Anatolia, namely y-haplogroup G. These theoretical coincidences (enforced, as said, by linguistic considerations) could allow one to assume that a people of skilled sailors left the Eastern Mediterranean and established themselves in Sardinia."
Again, it does not demonstrate their origin, nor that they were "oriental" folks. Genetically and linguistically speaking other elements can be found and work as a common denominator between the Shardanas/Sardinians and, for example, the folks of the Basque countries. Language and DNA should be considered as interesting coincidences or as a proof of influence, not as a proof of their birthplace. Also we don't know when this influence started (before during or after the Phoenician Era, the Roman Age, Bisantium etc... when?) 
"They very probably would have encountered some resistance on their way there. It is also possible that they were explorers. If so, it is likely that only a warrior people like the Shardana could have organised such an expedition."
In fact, this is possible. If we consider the stone and bronze statues of the XIII-VIII century BCE, the weapons, the buildings etc. we can find more coincidences in Sardinia than in Anatolia! In conclusion, we would be obliged to claim that the Shardanas were western folks, not oriental ones.
Read http://www.sardiniapoint.it/5087.html and page
http://www.repubblica.it/online/cultura_scienze/mediterraneo/uno/uno.html
--Billy 20:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Billy, these articles are in Italian.  Can you provide a rough translation for tose of us who cannot speak or read this language. John D. Croft 12:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Billy, could you elaborate on these genetic similarities between the people of Sardinia and the Basques?  I find this very interesting as recent genetic testing the seeks to explore the history of the peoples of Neolithic Sardinia has yielded four clusters that match closely with people who are of Iberian ancestry with possible connections to the Basque.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.35.84.36 (talk) 19:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No evidence 

message: I think Sherden/Sheriden should redirect to this page as well. I was looking for this page last week but couldn't find it until i stumbled upon it today. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.211.249.230 (talk) 19:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sherden/Sheriden Redirect 

message: I have deleted the discussion on Semitic Sharden from the page (as it is more speculative and not in suitable encyclopedia format), and included it here so it does not get lost.  Hopefully it can be reworked and some mention then made in the page.  John D. Croft 04:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Semitic Sharden

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