Talk:Mulatto/Archive 1

message: Suggest a ban for this self-hating, anti-mulatto terrorist guilty of vandalising all wiki pages using the word 'mulatto'.
*I say whoever this is, they should be banned.  I'm mulatto and I already get discriminated against enough in the real world, and I can guess this is the same for many other mulattos out there. 195.229.242.52 11:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ban 64.230.44.226

message: Where the hell have the links gone? Why are there so many people vadalising this page?
--Chueyjoo 15:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Links?

message: This off-topic paragraph highlights the need to have separate sections discussing the separate histories of the two places: "Nevertheless, independent of their actual numbers, the history of the population of Puerto Rican mulattos is independent from those of the US. Prior to the Spanish-American War - when Puerto Rico became a commonwealth of the United States - Puerto Rico was an integral part of the Spanish Empire, and it still constitutes a cultural-geographic segment of Latin America, thus their history is a shared one with those from Hispanic America and Brazil."  Well, duh! It seems like the article on Puerto Rico would be a better place to discuss how culturally and linguistically separate they are from the US. ThePedanticPrick 16:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to divide "United States and Puerto Rico" into two separate sections 

message: Many of the recent edits are taking a strong point of view that the term mulatto is somehow better than other words uses to describe the same sort of person, and are also displaying political rather than sociological views about racial integration.  I don't want to do a massive revert, though, b/c other recent edits are good.  Please re-write the article to be more neutral.  Also, it desperately needs better sources: the ones provided are barely allowable under WP:CITE, especially when there are so many good books and academic articles to choose from. --M@rēino 20:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:NPOV]] 

message: Folks, please cut this out -- edit warring doesn't help anybody, and it hurts the integrity of this Wiki.  I've therefore protected the article to let everybody cool down.  Please explain your reasons for including/excluding various sites in your edits.  Since I am not an expert on this issue, please also, if you wish, file a WP:RFC with at least an attempt at neutral language, and see if we can get some neutral editors with some expertise into the picture.  Let's try to talk, rather than to impose changes, OK?  --Nlu (talk) 05:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, as unexpert as I am in the issue, I will file the RfC myself to try to ensure some neutrality in the request.  --Nlu (talk) 05:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The RFC has been filed at WP:RFC/HIST.  Please let me know if you feel the RFC extends to other areas other than History/Geography (which "HIST" covers).  --Nlu (talk) 05:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Chueyjoo, I would have no trouble believing that some people are not offended by the term. However, a good, reputable, citation would be a good addition to support that claim. IronDuke 18:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: Here from RfC. A few things occur to me as I read the article. 1) It isn't very well-focussed, nor does it really conform to WP standards of style, whatever people think about the content. It has always been my understanding that the word Mulatto is offensive in any context, but I wouldn't know if it were offensive in South America. In any case, a citation would be needed to support that, I think (as well as the contention that it is offensive to some). Also, the Muwallad section is way too long. It could be its own article, perhaps, but it doesn't help this article to go on at length about a minor point of etymology. Finally, the tone of the whole article is argumentative, that needs to be toned way down. IronDuke 21:22, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chueyjoo, I would have no trouble believing that some people are not offended by the term. However, a good, reputable, citation would be a good addition to support that claim. IronDuke 18:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC

message: Liberalpunt isn't just trying to add a link to what may be HIS site here,h he's edit-warring and linkspamming at a number of other articles. He's gone over 3RR at Hapa, so I'll see what's being done about blocking him. 
That site looks like it's still under construction, it's well-funded, it's commercial, and it gives off "soft porn" vibes. Zora 02:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Zora.  Liberalpunt's spamlink should be immediately removed.  --JereKrischel 04:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberalpunt's linkspamming 

message: She has a very light skin for a mulatto so I don't think that she is really one.
She is a MGM mulatto. --Chueyjoo 21:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mariah Carey a mulatto? 

message: I can't speak for other country, but in the United States this word is racist as dirt.  It's an old, archaic, and outdated word that hasn't been used to identify people in the United States since slavery days.  Furthermore, noboby in the United States is dumb enough to identify someone else in the United States as a Mulatto!!! 63.153.120.158 20:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Call yourself whatever you want to call yourself in your country.  However, in the United States no one is dumb enough to call themselves a mulatto!!!!! There are major reasons why this word is obsolete.  65.129.161.46 21:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but your opinion of whether the word is "obsolete" or not shouldn't matter to the article.  If you'd like to add a section regarding the fact that some people find it offensive, that is fine, but mass-deleting people off the list because you find it passe isn't appropriate.  And I think your statement regarding people who identify as mulatto as "dumb" is also inappropriate.  --JereKrischel 21:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Mulattoes 

message: CreoleMe, most of your statements are simply pathetic. Trying to force a black identity on others, deliberately stating false facts, making false assumptions and inappropriate, unsustained generalizations about mulattoes, and now telling us how we should call ourselves. Truth is you're afraid of the term mulatto. That's why you spend so much energy fighting against it, when you simply shouldn't care how other people call themselves. You're afraid of the term because many mulattoes feel empowered by this particular term; and - although you will never admit it- mulattoes being empowered scares the hell out of you! Xpark
I am biracial, myself. Half-Nigerian, Half-American-mutt. A proud Eurafrican, thank you. CreoleMe
Nobody cares what you are or how you call yourself, CreoleMe neither should you care what other people call themselves. The fact that you spend so much fighting against the term Mulatto, a term CHOSEN by many Mulattoes is simply suspicious. Above you defended the One-Drop-Rule by stating mulattoes were black. You should stop vandalizing this article and throwing insults. Xpark
I think we all spend far too much time trying to label ourselves and other people. Call yourself whatever you like, dont expect other people to care.
--Nazrac 16:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Proud Mulatto 

message: Somebody needs to add a picture.  I suggest either Alicia keys, Neomie Lenoir or Derek Jeter.  No its not a freak show, the Eurasian page has 2 pictures, our page should have pictures to.--Chueyjoo 10:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add a picture 

message: For some reason, I left this article on my watchlist. I see that there is an edit war on it. I am interested in the term, but I don't have any specific opinion about who is right or wrong here. That said, you folks really need to stop this edit-war and talk (civilly) to each other on this page. I'm sure there's a compromise available here if everyone will just take a deep breath. Possible? IronDuke 19:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, all I can say is, how would you respond if someone told you your opinions on this topic were worthless and to go edit another page? Would that make you more or less likely to edit in a friendly, constructive manner? IronDuke 22:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: There have been multiple aggressive and hostile attacks here, by people representing multiple viewpoints. It's a sad fact of WP, but to edit here, we have to share articles with people whose viewpoints we despise and who attack us. Trust me, I know. The only way to work (without driving you and them and everyone else crazy) is to be polite and compromise when possible. IronDuke 23:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not even altogether certain which one of you is expressing which view. As I have said before, and will now emphasize: I have no opinion on this dispute. That you interpret my call for civility and compromise as partiality is... depressing. IronDuke 23:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Chueyjoo, thanks for the compliment. I'm not quite sure what you mean, though. What picture, and what did you want done with it? Happy to help if I can. IronDuke 03:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I couldn't really say. Honestly, I doubt it. I think someone has posted those model shots and either got permission to use them or is violating copyright themselves. But I'm sure there are public domain pics of people who fit this subject out there... good luck on that. IronDuke 14:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: User CreoleMe deletes everything he dislikes including useful sources and links. He tries to deliberately mislead people by making is seem as if "muwallad" as etymological origin of mulatto would depend on "muladi" which is not the case. This is confirmed by the numerous sources cited which he happily keeps deleting. I encourage everybody interested in actual information about the topic to read the non-vandalized version of the article as well as to compare the two versions here:  Pentb
:I reverted one of his edits and he appears to have changed it back, but I'm not going to get into an edit war here. -albrozdude 01:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  User CreoleMe keeps on vandalizing. For an objective opinion compare vandalized and non-vandalized versions for yourself 

message: Inappropriate content deleted. --JereKrischel 21:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please avoid personal attacks 

message: To discuss. 
Note: This was posted by previous vandalizer 70.48.42.9 who first signed as CreoleMe.
Eurafrican
Eur·af·ri·can (plural Eur·af·ri·cans)
noun Definition:
person of European and African descent: somebody of both European and African descent
Eur·af·ri·can adjective
Source: http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/eurafrican.html
Eur‧af‧ri‧can  /yʊˈræfrɪkən, yə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[yoo-raf-ri-kuhn, yuh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. of mixed European and African descent. –noun 2. a person of European and African descent. [Origin: 1885–90; eur- + african]
Source: eurafrican. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1), Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=eurafrican&x=0&y=0 (accessed: August 28, 2006). The hobgoblin 20:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eurafrican (Eurasian) 

message: The term "Eurafrican" is tied to colonialism. It was first used by Portuguese historians in the 19th century to underline Portugal's claim to her African colonies. 
It was also used by 20th century Italian anthropologist Giuseppe Sergi who considered Mediterraneans part of a "Eurafrican Race", related to some Africans and racially superior to Nordics. According to Sergi the Mediterranean race, the "greatest race of the world", was responsible for the great civilisations of ancient times, including those of Egypt, Carthage, Greece and Rome. These Mediterranean peoples were quite distinct from the peoples of northern Europe. Sergi also argued that the Mediterranean race was closely related to a Hamitic African population, which included such groups as the Tutsi. To Sergi the Semites were a branch of the Eurafricans who were closely related to the Mediterraneans (Gilette 2002).
His concepts were later taken up by some African-Americans and fed into the development of Afrocentrism.
It is a known fact that "mulatto" is tied to colonialism and slavery. The hobgoblin 21:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Eurafrican" is tied to colonialism and ideas of racial superiority 

message: To discuss.
Also "Eurafrican" is hardly used. Wikipedia explains terms which are used and is not the place to promote terms which aren't.Pentb
Eurafrican is hardly "used" by who? That's an invalid statement. If you are Black you are of African descent; if you are White you are of European descent; and if you're a "mulatto" then you're of Eurafrican descent or you're a Eurafrican - "mulatto"/Eurafrican. CreoleMe
Eurafrican is hardly used by ANYBODY. Your own statement is invalid. You are trying to promote the term and Wikipedia is not the place for it. A mulatto is of black/negroid and white/caucasian descent. European and African refer to geographic locations which can be inhabited by anybody. White Afrikaaners are African.
A Black person might be of Subsahaarian African descent but this might also be so long ago that this person no longer considers himself to be of African descent. Same for White. Also darker Indians and Australian Aborigines are even claimed as black by some people and they're not African.Pentb
Seeing that you're totally dismissing geography and its implications to "race" you'd have to define "black" and "white" and "mulatto" to make an argument against me. Furthermore, I'm not promoting anything. I am giving the truth. "Mulatto" hasn't been removed but Eurafrican was added. Eurafrican is a legitimate term for people with black and white ancestry just as Eurasian is a legitimate term for "Asian" and white ancestry.CreoleMe
You are the one totally dismissing geography and race because you refuse to acknowlege that Caucasian Northafricans are Africans and Caucasian Southafricans are Africans. After having vandalized the article for weeks you're trying to use Wikipedia to promote a term which is hardly used by anybody because it suits your personal agenda. To do so you keep on repeating the same things over and over again. This ridiculous argument further attests to it.Pentb
They are "Africans." But they are not black. Racially, African means black. CreoleMe
Exactly. If you want to talk about race then do so by saying black and white. No need to hypocritically use euphemisms like "European" and "African" which used alone are misleading. Blacks don't own Africa. You are trying to deny Caucasian Northafricans their countries and identities. Pentb
Your definition of "black" and "white", please. CreoleMe
You used those terms many times before so one can conclude that you must have some definition of them. However neither mine nor your definition of black and white is the topic here. The topic is that Caucasian Northafricans are African as well.Pentb
You're evading. You know that as soon as you give me your definition for "black" and "white" I will CRUSH you. CreoleMe
I have to agree with CreoleMe. It seems you're all dancing around the issue.
--Nazrac 16:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bluropean (Blasian) 

message: 1.How mulattoes call themselves is independent from how Hapas (a term more used than Eurasian) call themselves. 
2."Eurafricans" and "Euronatives" don't exist. The Caucasian/Black mix and the Caucasian/Native mix have always been called Mulatto and Mestizo.
3.Northafrican and Southafrican Caucasians are African as well, Blacks who are culturally European still remain black (meaning negroid as opposed to caucasian).
4.Many Mulattoes fully embrace and cherish the term Mulatto.Pentb
I disagree. Eurafricans do indeed exist. If one with Asian and European ancestry is called Eurasian, then one with African and European ancestry can be called Eurafrican. You can still call yourself "mulatto", but Eurafrican is a legitimate term also. CreoleMe
Hapa is more used than Eurasian. However this has got nothing to do with Mulattoes. The fact is you'll be hardpressed to find anybody who calls himself "Eurafrican". On the other hand  there are many Mulattoes who call themselves Mulatto. Many mulattoes reject terms that seperate them into two halves and find them offensive. Also European and African are not even correct because Northafrican and Southafrican Caucasians are African as well and Blacks who are culturally European still remain negroid/black.Pentb
"Caucasian" dark skinned Indians are considered Asian alongside "mongoloids" from China and "negritos" from Papua New Guinea. Yet, Asian and Eurasian are still considered valid terms. Just because Arabs managed to migrate to the north of Africa doesn't invalidate the term African or the term Eurafrican. I am technically a "mulatto" yet I and many of my biracial 
friends call ourselves Eurafricans. Like I said, you are free to call yourself "mulatto" but Eurafrican is still a valid and 100% legitimate term to describe people with black and white ancestry. CreoleMe
The term might appear legitimate to you but not to many others for the reasons I already mentionned. Many mulattoes reject it and find it offensive to be devided into two halves. Hardly anybody calls themselves "Eurafrican". Also as I said before Caucasian Northafricans are African as well. White Southafricans are African. Blacks who are culturally European still remain negroid and Caucasians who are culturally African still remain Caucasians. Mestizos are not called "EuroNatives" but Mestizos. One-Droppists are the ones who fight against the term Mulatto out of self-interest. You have already been vandalizing this Wikipedia page for weeks. Pentb
We can agree to disagree, of course. But, it can be noted that terms such as "negroid" and "caucasoid" are used seldom in the scientific community to describe "race." Race in itself doesn't exist. In fact, such terms are being used less and less in the scientific community because they are outdated "classifications." CreoleMe
We can agree to disagree but Caucasian Northafricans are still Africans. White Southafricans are still Africans. Race exists as a social construct. 
As for the biological existence or non-existence of race this is in reality contested in the scientific community, each side having it's arguments. Newer studies have started to reject the notion that race doesn't exist biologically. Also many merely reject the idea of race for political reasons regardless of what science says. On the other hand minorities themselves 
increasingly want race to be recognised because race accounts for medical differences.Pentb
Why are the Arabs "African"? Is it because they are geographically in Africa? Well, take a look at a world map. If you want to be literal, Asia includes Europe and Russia and the Middle East, yet Asian doesn't mean "Russian" or "Norwegian" it generally means people from China, Japan, and Korea. When we talk about Africans we are talking about black people not the Arabs in the north. Eurasian means one of European descent(white) and of Asian descent(chinese,japanese,korean). Eurafrican means one of European descent(white) and of African descent(black). Like I said, when one thinks about Asia (in a racial sense) one doesn't think about Russia or Europe just as when one thinks about Africa (in a racial sense) he doesn't think about Arabs - blacks come to mind. Arabs migrated to Africa but Africa is still a black continent. CreoleMe
Caucasian NorthAfricans are Africans. White SouthAfricans are Africans. Africans can be of any race. Some of them even speak a language called afrikaans. "Eurafrican" and "EuroNatives" are not used. Mulatto and Mestizo are the terms used. As for Eurasian one inadequate term in use doesn't justify the use of another. Wikipedia is not the place to promote terms which are not used. You've been vandalizing Wikipedia for weeks.Pentb
In practice, yes "Africans" can be of any "race." Just as "Asians" or "Europeans" can be of any race. You can relocate black people to China and have them procreate for years but that still doesn't make them "Asian" or "Chinese" - they're still black or of African descent. Like I said, in a racial context, African means black just as Asian means "mongolian." Even though Europe and "Asia" share the same land mass, you wouldn't call Prime Minister Tony Blair an Asian even though he is technically Asian. Arabs migrated to Africa and so did Europeans. CreoleMe
In a racial context it's black and white. Terms like African and European are misleading. Caucasian Africans are African as well. Some Blacks don't want to be considered African-Americans but black only saying they're not African. Yet their child with a Caucasian person would still be Mulatto. Also according to you black people from New Guinea would be Africans. Europe is not Asia by the way. It's a different continent. Landmass or not. Northafrica however is still Africa. So is Southafrica. So this is not even comparable with your example. Also Asian doesn't necessarily mean "mongolian". Indians are Asians as well. In the Uk the term Asian is even more usually associated with people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Pentb
Continent - One of the principal land masses of the earth, usually regarded as including 1. Africa, 2. Antarctica, 3. Asia, 4. Australia, 5. Europe, 6. North America, and 7. South America.
Here is a map of the world: http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-continent-map.htm
Even though Russia is part of Asia, "white" Russians are not the same as "mongolian" Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese. "Asian" is generally understood to mean China, Korea, and Japan, and yes, even India. In that same light, Africa is generally understood to mean the black indigenous people there. Yes Arabs and Whites who live in Africa are "African", but certainly not "racially." African means a black person. Even though Russia is in Asia, Asian doesn't mean a "white" Russian. CreoleMe
Yes some parts of Russia inhabited by Caucasians are in Asia - further proof that Asians aren't necessarily  "mongolian" as you stated before. As for Tony Blair he isn't Asian but European.
Africa isn't "generally understood" to mean black and I'm sure most Caucasian Northafricans as well as Afrikaaners would contest that as well. Again if you want to talk about race then do so and don't use misleading euphemisms. Also as I said before many black people in the Americas or Europe don't consider themselves African but Black only because their ancestors left Africa a long, long time ago.Pentb
"Africa isn't "generally understood" to mean black" <---- Haha, you're clearly bullshitting me and you know it. The Arabs in the north identify as muslims and the whites in the south identify as being of Dutch descent. It's not a matter of what you "consider" yourself. I could consider myself a cow, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm not a cow. Every black person is of African descent. Geographically, Arabs and white South Africans are "African" but NOT racially. You still haven't given me your definition of "black." CreoleMe
Religion has nothing to do with it. Many black Africans are muslims as well. Again my or your definition of black or white isn't the issue here. The issue is that Caucasian Northafricans, Caucasian and other non-black Southafricans are Africans as well. If you want to talk about race then you'll have to use black and white if you're afraid of the terms negroid and caucasian.Pentb
That's like saying Europeans are Asian which they technically are; Russians are also Asian; The Arabs in the Middle East are Asian, too. But racially they are White not "mongoloid". You're evading my question. CreoleMe
The problem is this discussion is a battle of semantics. Mullato is a very generalizing and subjective term. Its kind of like the term "latino" in that its not exactly cut and dry as to what constitutes a person to be a latino, or a mullato. I think the bigger problem is we're all trying to avoid the issue of race and make this about a cultural phenomenon. That simply doesnt work as CreoleMe has pointed out, because culture is a subjective construct, but race is something that is defined by heredity, which is what this article is about to begin with.
--Nazrac 16:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Eurafricans" and "EuroNatives" don't exist.

message: Many people are obviously unhappy with the term Eurafrican. I like mulatto but I suggest Bluropean as possible alternative for pc fanatics. Blasian - Bluropean
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Since this is an encyclopedia, where is your source for "Bluropean"?
Eurafrican
Eur·af·ri·can (plural Eur·af·ri·cans)
noun Definition:
person of European and African descent: somebody of both European and African descent
Eur·af·ri·can adjective
Source: http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/eurafrican.html
Eur‧af‧ri‧can  /yʊˈræfrɪkən, yə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[yoo-raf-ri-kuhn, yuh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. of mixed European and African descent. –noun 2. a person of European and African descent. [Origin: 1885–90; eur- + african]
Source: eurafrican. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1), Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=eurafrican&x=0&y=0 (accessed: August 28, 2006).  The hobgoblin 19:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bluropean 

message: The term "Eurafrican" is tied to colonialism. It was first used by Portuguese historians in the 19th century to underline Portugal's claim to her African colonies. 
It was also used by 20th century Italian anthropologist Giuseppe Sergi who considered Mediterraneans part of a "Eurafrican Race", related to some Africans and racially superior to Nordics. According to Sergi the Mediterranean race, the "greatest race of the world", was responsible for the great civilisations of ancient times, including those of Egypt, Carthage, Greece and Rome. These Mediterranean peoples were quite distinct from the peoples of northern Europe. Sergi also argued that the Mediterranean race was closely related to a Hamitic African population, which included such groups as the Tutsi. To Sergi the Semites were a branch of the Eurafricans who were closely related to the Mediterraneans (Gilette 2002).
His concepts were later taken up by some African-Americans and fed into the development of Afrocentrism.
"mulatto" is tied to colonialism, slavery and "ideas of racial superiority." The hobgoblin 07:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Eurafrican" is tied to colonialism and ideas of racial superiority 

message: Everbody, calm down.  I could have, but I'm not going to, block everybody involved in the most recent edit war for 3RR and NPA violations.  Please calm down and then discuss your arguments in a calm, non-personally-attacking manner.  --Nlu (talk) 01:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: In the Famous Mulattoes section, Emiliano Zapato should be changed to Emiliano Zapata when editing resumes.
(Sorry for butting in) davewho2 04:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emiliano Zapata 

message: The list of mulattos is drastically uninformative and unencyclopedic:
"Ben Harper, (1/2 Jewish/American - 1/2 African/American) American musician"
(notwithstanding that the concept of 'race' is flawed ab initio) Just exactly what does 'Jewish' ancestry mean? Now mix that with a little 'American'... what race is that?  How could I tell if I have 'American' blood?  Same thing with 'African'... is it being asserted as a plausible fact that all 'Africans' are of the same race? and again, mix that up with a bit of 'American'... What exactly is the origin of the American race??? So, just for Ben Harper we have a person who is born of parents that are in the first case 1/2 of one race, (which is described by what I thought was a religion) and half of another race (which described by what I thought was a a reference to two continents, or at best a country) and then in the second case, the other parent was half someone-from-somewhere-on-the-continent-of-Africa, and someone-from-somewhere-on-one-of-two-continents.
Does anyone else see this as vague, impossible to be accurate, and fundamentally flawed (see: Montagu (1942). Man’s Most Dangerous Myth: The Fallacy of Race) by the impossibility of "race" being in any way a definable thing? Please correct me if you know more about this than I do, as I can only find absurdity and pseudoscience here. User:Pedant 16:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with list: 

message: 1.  As far as I can tell, "Bluropean" is not a real word.  Frankly, "Eurafrican" sounds sort of contrived and ugly to me as well, but at least you can find that in dictionaries.  I intend to revert "Bluropean" on sight unless someone can make a good case for its inclusion here.
"Eurafrican" has very negative historical connotations and is hardly used. If people want to call themselves "Bluropean" they are free to do so. "Blasian" couldn't be found in dictionaries when it was invented and maybe it still can't be found in dictionaries. 
2.  This:
It is important to note that etymological origin and actual meaning are not identical. Many words of common usage can for example be traced to a 'negative' etymological origin. Among those are words like berber, slavic (which is thought to be related to the word slave), Hapa, hysterical (sexist origin) or even the innocent "kid" (which at its roots meant young goat) . However neither of these words are used in any way shape or form to mean what their roots mean, and neither is mulatto. It's also important to note that the term "black" referring to people was once (and for some people still is) a derrogatory term.
is an irrelevant essay and original research.
--Birdmessenger 18:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent reversions to the article 

message: how come we don`t have a  picture of a real mulatto insted of  artwork that show a mulatto you can`t even see.look at euroasian page and they have a  real euroasian  peroson.
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LOL at "Euroasian". The correct term is "Eurasian". I think you're scared to death of the term "Eurafrican". I think that is the mulatto or Eurafrican man's burden. On one hand, "European" and "Asian" or accepted terms. On the other, "African" is vilified. Someone said: ""Eurafrican" sounds sort of contrived and ugly to me..." So some biracials want to have their cake and eat it, too. They wanted to be accepted by Whites, but at the same time want their African or Black part down played as much as possible. Interestingly, instituting a sort of rule by which even someone of a mulatto parent and a White parent is still a mulatto: correctly they'd be a quadroon, octoroon, etc. Factually, a mulatto can never have blue eyes or green eyes. A quadroon or octoroon, yes. Not to digress, but I think as "Eurasian" becomes more popular, "Eurafrican" will, too. Why would it not? Unless members of the Eurafrican community actively try to suppress it because it stresses "African." "African" isn't such a bad word. Don't be scared. :-)
Sincerely,
A proud Eurafrican  :) The hobgoblin 00:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of a real mulatto?= 

message: LOL at "Euroasian". The correct term is "Eurasian". I think you're scared to death of the term "Eurafrican". I think that is the mulatto or Eurafrican man's burden. On one hand, "European" and "Asian" or accepted terms. On the other, "African" is vilified. Someone said: ""Eurafrican" sounds sort of contrived and ugly to me..." So some biracials want to have their cake and eat it, too. They wanted to be accepted by Whites, but at the same time want their African or Black part down played as much as possible. Interestingly, instituting a sort of rule by which even someone of a mulatto parent and a White parent is still a mulatto: correctly they'd be a quadroon, octoroon, etc. Factually, a mulatto can never have blue eyes or green eyes. A quadroon or octoroon, yes. Not to digress, but I think as "Eurasian" becomes more popular, "Eurafrican" will, too. Why would it not? Unless members of the Eurafrican community actively try to suppress it because it stresses "African." "African" isn't such a bad word. Don't be scared. :-)
Sincerely,
A proud Eurafrican  :) The hobgoblin 00:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: I myself am indifferent to these "drop" rules or whatever they are called. But I honestly don't see how someone half-Black can be "one dropped" when being 50% Black you sure as damn hell have more than "one drop" of Black blood. At the very least a "mulatto" or a half-Black can be "a thousand dropped" (whatever it is that 'dropping' entails)..Hence, Make way for the "thousand(or so) droppists" .. LOL. The hobgoblin 04:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "mulattos" obviously have more than "one drop" of Black blood most definitely 

message: Eurasian (mixed ancestry) is a page similar to this, in that it deals with people of mixed races.  That page is very easy to read, and adds a lot of information.  This page should be formatted similar to that page. Casey14 00:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Format page similar to this? 

message: A note on the dating of mulatto (mulato) in Spanish sources: the Real Academia's date of 1549 is most likely a reference to the first use of mulato in Spanish literature. The term mulato was used in offical documentation before that time. A quick example would be two Inquisition cases from Mexico in 1536. One was against a man named Alonso Garavito, mulato, for swearing; the second was against Maria de Espinosa, mulata, also for blasphemy. These cases are from Inquisition vol. 14 in the Archivo General de la Nacion, Mexico City. This term was probably first used in Iberia during the 15th c as the descendents of African slaves became a visible segment of society. 
The reference to Slavs is also reversed. The term slav and slave are historically related. Individuals from eastern Europe were traded as slaves in the Mediterrainian world. The term slave, schiavo, esclavo, etc. derives from the root Slav. 
--Airflorida 02:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Factual Errors