Talk:Sámi shamanism

message: I have seen that since today, a merge template suggests merging this article with Finnish mythology article. 
The Finnic mythology article seems to be a collective article, which has sections with  templates pointing to other articles like Finnish mythology, Estonian mythology, Sami religion etc.
I conjecture, the main question is: how diverse are the mythologies of the various Balti-Finnic peoples? If they are diverse, merging is not appropriate, at least not in the long term.
For example, how different are Finnish and Sami mythologies? I have just one source at home discussing similar questions:
In this collection, several authors examine how various Arctic peoples build their identity, and how this is related to their environment. Sami (compared to Finns), several Eskimo peoples, Orochon, Sakha, Aleut are examined in this aspect.
Also the cited author compares Sami to Finns how they build their identity and how they are related to their environment.
Let us see some quotations from this book:
=== Land and landscape ===
Ingold 1997: 63–65:
Footnotes [also belonging to the quoted text]
=== Proposal ===
Although the text cited above does not deal directly with mythology, rather it is discussing the identity-building of contemporary, living people, but still,  I propose an over-cautious attitude: not to merge the article with Finnic mythology.
Physis (talk) 05:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank You very much for that — I support the removal of the  template. I am not accustomed yet to wiki administrative things, thus I did not dare to remove the template myself. Best wishes, Physis (talk) 22:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Physis - I've done it before but only after a period of time.  Anyone can place one and anyone can remove one, just courtesy for a time period.  If the person cares, they would be watching this page anyway.  If they are not watching, they shouldn't care (in my opinion...).  Let's give it a week and see what happens - then no one can complain - take care... Dinkytown (talk) 00:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relation to Finnic mythology article 

message: Although the text cited above does not deal directly with mythology, rather it is discussing the identity-building of contemporary, living people, but still,  I propose an over-cautious attitude: not to merge the article with Finnic mythology.
Physis (talk) 05:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: I vote no for the merging for the follwoing reasons: 1) the Finnic mythology page is very poor and needs a lot of work; 2) I know a some amount of Sami mythology but very little of Finnic mythology, however the Finnish Kalevala I know is not part of Sami mythology.  This it shows that there is some divergence - possible a great deal of it - between the two mythologies; 3) Moreover, the other finnic links, Finnish mythology, Estonian mythology, and Mordvin mythology have not been requested to be merged with the Finnic mythology page.  In addition, if you read their mythologies, they have little in common under the present wiki pages.
I vote *No* for the above reasons.
In a week's time, if nobody responds or removes the tag, I will remove it myself has this thread is preaty old.  Thanks and Take Care... Dinkytown (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank You very much for that — I support the removal of the  template. I am not accustomed yet to wiki administrative things, thus I did not dare to remove the template myself. Best wishes, Physis (talk) 22:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Physis - I've done it before but only after a period of time.  Anyone can place one and anyone can remove one, just courtesy for a time period.  If the person cares, they would be watching this page anyway.  If they are not watching, they shouldn't care (in my opinion...).  Let's give it a week and see what happens - then no one can complain - take care... Dinkytown (talk) 00:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A vote for "No" for merging

message: "Animal Gods.  Aside from the Bear Cult..."
What about the Bear Cult?  What does it include?  There's no link here to a separate article.  Poor article structure.
4.249.63.105 (talk) 00:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  non sequitur 

message: I am removing this as there are traditional Sami people who maintain their ways and it's not appropriate to lump them in with Wiccans and such. On that template "Contemporary Pagan" is used as synonym for "Neopagan". If you want to write something on Neopagans who consider themselves connected to the Sami, put it in its own section. That is, if you can source it to WP:RS and WP:V standards. Then put the template or one like it only in that section, not up top. Thanks.  - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 22:55, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The label "Contemporary Pagan" or "Neopagan" does not include exclusively syncretic religions or religions just inspired by old Pagan religions. They encompass both syncretic religions such as Wicca, reconstructed European religions, and reinvented indigenous European religions such as the Mari or the Chuvash religions which base on unbroken tradition. As you can find, the term "Neopagan" is used by many of the sources which describe the revival of these religions (for example Shnirelman's Christians Go Home! A Revival of Neo-Paganism between the Baltic Sea and Transcaucasia). --Schwert von Feuer (talk) 11:31, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Neopagan template

message: The relation between shamanism and the "other" parts of the belief system seems for me to be a sophisticated question in generally in ethnology. I lack knowledge how this problem is present in the case of the Sami, but still I propose a more generalized title, for example something like "Belief systems among Sami peoples". (At the same time, the title refers to possible diversity among Sami themselves.) Physis (talk) 05:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: The Sámi shamanism article is only 7k bytes in size and receives 100 visitors daily. There is also the  Noaidi, a Sami shaman, that is only 8k in size and receives 35 visitors daily. There would be benefits in merging Noaidi under its existing subheading in Sámi shamanism. William Harris • (talk) • 22:16, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noaidi 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Sámi Assembly of 1917 which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 11:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The last requested move seemed to generate consensus that the current title was not good, but wasn't moved anyway because of disputes over where Sami religion should redirect to, or if it should be a separate article, or disambiguation page, or what.  None of that means that the current title is good, though.  Would there be any objection among page watchers if I just boldly moved this page to Traditional Sámi religion?  This is a common formulation and much better than the rather inaccurate "shamanism" IMO.  SnowFire (talk) 22:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title, part 2