Talk:Suceava

message: Do we really need to gaze upon the tremendous kitsch that is the "throne room"?Dahn 10:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention that the throne scene must even be copyrighted... So, I removed it. bogdan 12:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: Isn't the "e" silent, as in Italian when used to indicate an affricate? Ratzd'mishukribo 05:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is almost silent, but sometimes in Romanian spoken very clearly, you might hear it there. It depends on the accent. The Moldovan accent is known to change "ia" into "ea" so there you might hear it, or as I said in very clearly pronounced Romanian. Mirc mirc 11:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanian Pronunciation 

message: I've never seen the idea that Suceava is of Hungarian etymology anywhere (and it would be odd as the region wasn't ruled by Hungary) but have seen claims that it's of Dacian origin (the -eava being supposed to be a corruption of dava, common in Dacian names). Given the fact that the river is also Suceava and river names tend to survive an area being conquered by groups with a diferent language better than most, this seems far more likely than any supposed Hungarian etymology. Whichever is actually true, though, the certainty with which the article states that the origin of the name is Hungarian is utterly unwarranted.
: I have NEVER heard of the idea of Hungarian etymology either! Never. It is a totally un-neutral claim. There are two variants generally accepted: a) that it is of Dacian origin, from the "dava" termination that you mentioned too, meaning fortress; this being supported by the existence of another city, on the bank of the Danube called "Sucidava" which resembles a lot the name Suceava; b) that it comes from the verb "a suci", to turn, to bend. And considering Suceava is a river with A LOT of turns, it's very likely that it was called by the locals "The River that Turns", "Riul care (se) suceste", "Suceava". And I think this is a really touchy issue, and really NOT A NEUTRAL ARTICLE, considering all the propaganda about this issue going on on the Internet nowadays. Please change it, anyone that sees this, as I am afraid of doing any edit on any article of Wikipedia. Mirc mirc 11:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Could I just point out that St. John the New was not a Moldovan of any description, nor a monk, but a merchant from Trebizond and that his martyurdom had nothing to do with any Turkish occupation. Indeed, his relics being brought to Suceava pre-dates the period of Ottoman Suzerainty.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.174.130 (talk) 17:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  St John the New 

message: Yes, Moldova was a medieval kingdom !. Principality is a term from the XIX th century.
Moldova rulers were wearing crowns (see painted monastires),minted coins, commanded armies, and signed treaties
They beared the name "domn" equivalent to "king".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.38.125 (talk) 04:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Show me a reliable source, which implies "Moldova kingdom" or "Kingdom of Moldavia" etc. --Norden1990 (talk) 08:08, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:   Capital of the Moldova medieval kingdom 

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message: In a recent edit summary, a user wrote: “There is no exaggeration in stating German names for cities or localities which were and still are inhabited by an important community of ethnic Germans. If you're not from around this cultural area, stick to your business! Furthermore, there are plenty other articles on the English Wikipedia in which German names are stated, which is perfectly civilised.”
This is nonsense, on several levels:
*At the last census, all of Suceava County had 267 ethnic Germans. At 0.072% of the population, that is not an “important community”, by any stretch of the imagination.
*Everyone has the right to edit any page; see WP:OWN.
*While the German name of Suceava is relevant for the “names” section, everything else is definitely overkill. These places have not been governed by Germans since 1918 and have not been inhabited by Germans (with very few exceptions) since 1945. The German names are present in the relevant articles. Putting them here just needlessly clutters up the text, and gives the distorted impression that Suceava is some kind of Germanic island today, which is simply not the case.
 - Biruitorul Talk 10:30, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. I removed most of the German names again, anyways. Super Ψ Dro 10:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: German names

message: , how is the Ukrainian name of Suceava relevant enough as to add it in the lead and to place it before the German name of the city? Suceava is not comparable to Chernivtsi. A century ago, it was a part of Romania. Suceava has however never been part of any Ukrainian state. I have no problem with it staying on the Names and etymology section. Super Ψ Dro 12:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Ukrainian name in the lead

message: This is not an improvement. No, we don’t need translations of Romanian Old Kingdom wherever the term occurs, just in that article. Nowhere in MOS is that recommended and it’s absurd to start imposing this practice. No, we don’t need sensationalist language like “massively hit” or “nearly ruined”. No, we don’t need colloquialisms like “for that matter”. No, we don’t need unsourced speculation about a population decline. No, we don’t need a phrase like “placed in the red scenario”, which no Anglophone reader will understand. No, we don’t need to go on and on about planned repairs to a single building, which has its own article anyway. No, we don’t need to dwell on some random initiative the mayor signed on for. And so on. — Biruitorul Talk 23:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: November 2021

message: Certain user (Biruitorul) keeps adding a Hungarian name for this city (and many other cities: Bacău, Târgu Neamț etc.). If these cities do NOT (AND DID NOT) have Hungarian inhabitants, if they were not even under Hungarian rule and are not known even coloqually under the Hungarian name, then why have a Hungarian name for Suceava on this page? I remind you that when googling the name of the city, the Wikipedia page is the first result displayed. So this induces the false idea that somehow these cities/towns were at some point part of Hungary or that they had significant number of Hungarian inhabitants. 213.205.200.58 (talk) 23:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I also believe it should be removed from the lead. Suceava has never been part of Hungary, so we shouldn't apply the practice we use for Transylvania, and it also never had a Hungarian population. Only those villages directly inhabited by the Bukovina Székelys should have the Hungarian name. Super Ψ Dro 10:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, that's true... There had been, however, in the past a small Hungarian community in Suceava, in Ițcani, more specifically. And, perhaps, due to the medieval contacts with the Kingdom of Hungary, the Hungarian name of the town might be relevant, in a historical context... I am not entirely certain here, but I for one don't mind it, and I am a native of this town of course... All the best! Rosenborg BK Fan (talk) 09:24, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungarian name 

message: *No, we don’t need to write in the infobox that Suceava is a county seat and a town. Municipiu or maybe county seat, pick one.
*No, we don’t need to write how you call various things in Romanian — at most, that can be done (and is done) in the respective articles.
*No, we don’t need the cliché about being at the crossroads of etc., especially when that’s sourced to “The Dockyards”, a blog.
*No, we don’t need puffery about “renowned” attractions or “iconic” buildings. (By the way, I’d think the old cathedral, a UNESCO site, deserves mention more than the dime-a-dozen prefecture, but maybe that’s just me.)
*Are we on the same page? — Biruitorul Talk 09:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits of 28 May 2023

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