Talk:Alexander McQueen

message: There don't seem to be any sources cited here. Also, this maybe a somewhat pernicketty observation, but in the interests of accuracy, if someone is claiming Income Support, they would not receive an "unemployment cheque". Income support is specifically for people who are not unemployed. Perhaps a better term would be "benefit". Misspenny 12:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations required

message: The article claims that McQueen had famous named clients whilst on Savile Row, but also says he was an apprentice from the age of 16 (1985) to the age of 20 (1989) before going to Milan. The four years he was on Savile Row is not normally sufficient to complete an apprenticeship as a pattern cutter and until he had completed his apprenticeship he would NOT have had clients of his own. He would have worked for a tailor who had clients, so it's entirely possible he cut Prince Charles' suit but Prince Charles was not "his" client, unless you have a reference that says otherwise. Cottonshirt (talk) 06:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Apprenticeship and clients

message: I have removed the following statement in keeping with WP:BLP.  "It has also been claimed that he was on income support and that he needed to change his name for his first show so that he could continue to receive benefits."  Such statements do not belong in wikipedia without adequate sources. -Ich (talk) 05:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced statement

message: The requested sources are here, both reliable: , .  I remember hearing him tell the tale on Desert Island Discs, I think it was, but can't find a ref for that.  On second thoughts, maybe it was in his interview for the Arena programme about him.  86.140.128.200 (talk) 16:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Woody (talk) 16:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the man in his own words: the transcript of an undated interview  (not the one I saw, though - he was clearly more than happy to talk about it).  He did it in biro, fact fans. 86.140.128.200 (talk) 16:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Woody - please edit the article.  If McQueen says he wrote it (NB, not sewed it), which he did in the interview transcript, then it's clearly not apocryphal. The story exists.  Whether he was telling the truth is another matter ... 86.140.128.200 (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Woody (talk) 16:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: McQueen writing 'I am an absolute cunt' on Prince Charles' jacket lining

message: "Her funeral is due to take place on 12 February 2010."  shouldnt it be "HIS funeral"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.0.55.219 (talk) 01:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. If you bother to read the article, his mother had died recently, and arguably, that may have had some influence. Meanwhile, there is no way that a death on the 11th can result in a funeral on the 12th considering that a post-mortem to determine cause of death will be necessary. Rodhullandemu 01:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: RESPONSE TO ABOVE:  Note, the Wikipedia entry does not reference Lee's funeral; it references his MOTHER'S funeral, which is scheduled for February 12 ("Her funeral...")  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.202.248 (talk) 03:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've edited that section to clarify beyond doubt that it refers to his mother's funeral, as even established Wiki members seemed to be confused. Should resolve the issue. Mabalu (talk) 03:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Funeral

message: Lee McQueen's death is a huge tragedy. Such a talented young man with much still to achieve. His designs are simply stunning. However, could someone please amend his nationality to 'British' as there is no such thing as 'English' nationality. Check his British passport.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.237.131.17 (talk) 12:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There are quite a lot of people who would take issue with this statement that they don't exist. By this reasoning, there is "no such thing" as Welsh and Scottish nationality either, though I take your point about nationality, and see no harm in amending accordingly. Mabalu (talk) 12:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  - he said his Scottish roots (his father is Scottish) were important to him, so British would seem a better description than English. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 16:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but that is no strong reason to why he should be described as British instead of English. English is a perfectly fine way to describe him, there is nothing wrong with it, so don’t just go around needlessly changing it. People do it all the time, and it frankly pisses me off. A far better presentation, in my opinion, it to describe him as English the lead and British in the Infobox, this is practised on a lot of articles (See Charles Darwin). Just leave it the way it is.--大輔 泉 (talk) 23:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ref 3 The Guardian gives the transcript of an interview which states that McQueen's Scottish extraction meant a great deal to him. I don't know if he self-identified as English, Scottish or British, but it is clear he was not fully English, hence I don't think the first sentence should describe him as such. Wikipedia:In the news on the Main page and Portal:Current events describe him as British rather than English. Darwin is not a fair comparison, as he was English in every way; both his parents were English. Does anyone else have a view on this matter? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A large number of mouse mats have been worn out by the argument over whether Andy Murray is Scottish or British. People will usually point out that a UK passport permits only British nationality. WP:UKNATIONALS allows a broader interpretation, but for accuracy I prefer "British" in the infobox and other arguments in the text of the article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So should the first sentence say English fashion designer or British fashion designer? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 20:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: English or British, I am fine with it either way. The infobox should give British as his nationality, and this BBC news story describes him as a "British designer". However, given past edit warring on the WP:UKNATIONALS issue, I am reluctant to express a firm preference.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: English/British

message: What, if anything, should be added to the lead? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 12:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead too short?

message: I removed the sentence:
because it was unreferenced. Feel free to readd it if there's a source. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat?   15:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced sentence

message: I have removed the "Suicides by hanging in England" category for the second time because McQueen's method/caused of death has to be confirmed. I also removed the statement claiming that McQueen's publicists confirmed his death as a suicide because the given citation does not support that claim at all. In fact, it says the exact opposite. Pinkadelica♣ 17:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously...what is so hard about actually waiting until there's confirmation for the cause/method of death before adding categories pertaining to suicide? The article still makes no mention of such a thing yet there are categories. That makes perfect sense. Pinkadelica♣ 22:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsupported category/content

message: Perhaps someone who, unlike me, knows what they're talking about can find a use for this. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat?   19:23, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I love you for finding that! I'm sure someone will improve on what I've added, but at least the article has more info on his contributions to the fashion world. - JuneGloom07  Talk?  21:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to be of service! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat?   21:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Shock tactics is an article about warfare, which has little to do with designing clothes.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Better to use a different way of describing whatever is meant by those words then? I want to know what shock tactics mean in this context and if we don't have an article on it, or it is not mentioned as a wider term than the warfare usage, we shouldn't be using it here. Thanks.163.1.147.64 (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The lead now gives Death, S&M, violence and religion were all there on Alexander McQueen's catwalk as a citation.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, that puts it in the picture very nicely, thanks.163.1.147.64 (talk) 17:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Useful link?

message: Please link Shock tactics (at the end of the first sentence in the lead). Thanks.163.1.147.64 (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Shock tactics is an article about warfare, which has little to do with designing clothes.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Better to use a different way of describing whatever is meant by those words then? I want to know what shock tactics mean in this context and if we don't have an article on it, or it is not mentioned as a wider term than the warfare usage, we shouldn't be using it here. Thanks.163.1.147.64 (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The lead now gives Death, S&M, violence and religion were all there on Alexander McQueen's catwalk as a citation.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, that puts it in the picture very nicely, thanks.163.1.147.64 (talk) 17:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Please link

message: That reads a bit strange! In the list of 'survived by' people; did he have a sister called Tracy Chapman (nee McQueen?), or is this a joke? Someone with the appropriate knowledge should amend the article to indicate that this is not the musician Tracy Chapman (if he did actually have a sister called Tracy). 1812ahill (talk) 20:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a joke, his brother and sister's names are mentioned in the reference. I don't believe it is the musician as it would have been mentioned before in the news reports. Besides, his sister's name is spelt differently, it's Tracey. - JuneGloom07  Talk?  20:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think clarification is needed. Tracy Chapman is African American, whereas McQueen was White British. I can't imagine many people thinking they had the same parents! Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The siblings' names have been removed, on the basis that they are trivia and that the source cannot be trusted. However, siblings' names are stated on many Wikipedia biographies, and the source is the LA Times, which is considered a reliable source. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 20:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it so hard to fathom that McQueen had a sister named Tracey Chapman? Surely the Tracy Chapman isn't the only Tracy Chapman in the world. If the name were actually linked to the singer, I could see the utter confusion and questions surrounding the content but the name never was. In fact (as was already pointed out) the name is spelled different. Are people not aware that there are millions of people that share the same name? Pinkadelica♣ 22:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Tracy Chapman is McQueen's sister?

message: Lee McQueen's father was actually born in Stepney, London in 1933, not Scotland.  He married Joyce Deane, Lee's mother, in Stepney in 1953.  Although, Lee seems to have identified strongly with his Scottish roots, his McQueens were actually in London from the beginning of the 1800's.  I am a 4th cousin and have researched the family tree.  All details are available from the many birth death marriage and census records on ancestry.com.Pommygirl (talk) 19:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe accessing those records requires subscription. Please tell us the mother's year and place of birth. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 20:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Parents

message: I inserted a photo of McQueen from flickr.  We can pretty much use any one now in accordance with policy. FotoPhest (talk) 19:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily. I'm not going to argue with the use of this image, but just because a person is dead does not mean that it is an easy way of overriding WP:NFCC. This has been a major issue at Michael Jackson, because there are so few free images of him, particularly in his later years. Images found on Google, Flickr etc are usually copyrighted and need strong grounds for use in a Wikipedia article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure enough, this image has now been nominated for deletion. Alive or dead, the image of Alexander McQueen in the infobox would usually need to be copyright free.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: Here . 86.147.162.0 (talk) 11:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Added to article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alexander McQueen committed suicide after taking drugs  April 28 2010. Fashion designer Alexander McQueen hanged himself after taking a mix of cocaine, tranquillisers and sleeping pills  Some detail perhaps worthy of reporting? Off2riorob (talk) 17:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Jim Michael (talk) 19:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, what a sad story. Off2riorob (talk) 22:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Shame indeed. He could afford them. I can't. Rodhullandemu 22:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Inquest details

message: This section does not belong in this BLP imo, its got nothing to do with him at all, a line that says, his brand is continued or somne such is plenty , the fact that Micheal Jackson was played at a show in paris belongs elsewhere as does the comments about his assistants progress, better at Gucci or somewhere. Off2riorob (talk) 18:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please? I won't be doing that but I will be supporting the content removal from here as it does not belong here, do you think it does? Off2riorob (talk) 19:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No please. I did it myself and corrected the factual error on this page.Reqluce (talk) 23:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section posthumous activity 

message: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alejandro_%28song%29#Is_there_any_relation_to_Alexander_McQueen.3F  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cogiati (talk • contribs) 22:46, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  connection to Lady Gaga's song 

message: Upcoming exhibition dedicated to McQueen's career at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NY, 4 May - 31 July 2011.  Can this be added please?  Refs BBC slideshow Met website. 82.32.238.139 (talk) 18:11, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a little bit of a future event WP:Future event but it is a major show, perhaps some involved editor would add it nearer the day.note - I added the BBC slideshow to the external link section here. Off2riorob (talk) 18:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also in The Guardian here, described as 'a major exhibition.' 82.32.238.139 (talk) 19:48, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming exhibition at the Met 

message: The dress for the Wedding of Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, and Catherine Middleton was designed by Sarah Burton, who has her own BLP. It is not relevant here. Alexander McQueen (brand) is also a separate article--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:02, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I, of course, could move it but I really think it belongs here, hence the reason I put it here. However, if you insist, I will defer to the powers that be. ~andromeda1960  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andromeda1960 (talk • contribs) 07:09, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This problem often occurs when a subject is spread over several articles, but the hatnote makes clear that this article is about the man, not the brand.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:12, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal wedding dress 

message: Two subjects seem incredibly worthy to update this great piece:
1) The Royal wedding gown
2) The current exhibit retrospective at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC
Just my thoughts 66.234.34.213 (talk) 04:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates anyone? 

message: The very first sentence talks about his "in-depth knowledge," and the "emotional power and raw energy" of his shows. The source is the Alexander McQueen website, which is hardly an appropriate beginning to the piece. At the very least these claims cannot be proven or measured for accuracy. The opening paragraph should be a recitation of facts, not an product advertisement. Princetoniac (talk) 21:24, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence puffery 

message: 85.178.90.10 (talk) 13:35, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Matt. If this leads to a wider discussion or coverage of the internship issue in relation to McQueen's company (it's more about the company than the man himself), then it would be worth a mention on Alexander McQueen (brand) - but very definitely not on this page about the designer. But at the moment, this is a standalone source so unless there has been wider coverage in other sources, it is probably not notable enough in itself. (PS: Steve McQueen?) Mabalu (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, absolutely! This should be seperate from the Person Alexander McQueen!... :) Thanks for the swift response... I have also corrected "Steve" to "Alexander", strange mess up in my Mind, sorry...:) ... Matt (User talk:matttalk) 18:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unpaid Internship Controversy? 

message: What on earth does this mean ("Tributes," second paragraph):
:[Björk] wore an outfit created by McQueen on which many mourners came to gather. 
Sugarbat (talk) 21:22, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good spot - no idea either, I've rewritten that bit slightly so it makes more sense. Mabalu (talk) 22:52, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of Action on the Skirt? 

message: He was British - I'm sure his 2009 collection would have been an Autumn Collection rather than a Fall one.
This process mystifies me - the protocols - the rules and the explanations - but I do contribute money.
86.191.17.209 (talk) 07:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hello ISP number! That means that whatever you post on here is public domain and free use, as long as the person reproducing it acknowledges it with a link to the page where they took it from. Also good point re Fall collection - The French certainly say "automne-hiver". I think "fall" is one of those fashion terms that everyone knows what it means, rather than a grossly out-of-place Americanism. However, i checked Vogue, and the UK magazine does use autumn much more often than fall, while American Vogue favours Fall, so I'll modify. Mabalu (talk) 11:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: March 2015

message: This article at Sotheby's discusses the success of the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Victoria & Albert Museum's stagings of the "Savage Beauty" exhibit and goes on to discuss the significance of there being two simultaneous London exhibits centered around McQueen, at the V&A and at the Tate. 
This page from the Tate has a series of brief audio clips of Nick Waplington, McQueen photographer, and Susannah Frankel, fashion writer, talking about McQueen's influences, design process, and statement goals (silhouette, make-up). Listen especially to "The Wimple", "Backstage", "Moments of Creativity", "Fabric", "The Lip", and "Pushing Boundaries". http://www.tate.org.uk/tate-britain-mobile/nick-waplingtonalexander-mcqueen-working-process ; Main page: http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/exhibition/nick-waplingtonalexander-mcqueen-working-process
The Victoria & Albert has a lot of supplementary information for their exhibit: articles, photographs, videos, and even a teacher's guide. See especially "McQueen's V&A" for information on some of his artistic influences - https://vam-blog.s3.amazonaws.com/misc/mc-va.pdf. 
Enjoy the research, Wordreader (talk) 05:41, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current London exhibits. 

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