Talk:List of monarchs of Georgia

message: Why someone tries to present that as if the Kartli line more legitimate than Kaheti line? In the list it is specified that tsar Konstantin II (1478-1505) as though once was the king of all Georgia - it is a blunder!   because last king of all Georgia was George VIII (1446-1476)who has been compelled to leave a throne of Georgia and to move in Kaheti. After that Georgia has collapsed on three kingdoms. The King Konstantine (Constantine) II never was the king of all Georgia !!!  Therefore claims of a line of Kaheti more legitimate, than of a line of Kartli. Also it is necessary to notice that a line of kings of Kartli has stopped in 1919.--92.54.240.68 (talk) 12:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They need to be separated.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 03:07, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why someone tries to present that as if the Kartli line more legitimate than Kaheti line? In the list it is specified that tsar Konstantin II (1478-1505) as though once was the king of all Georgia - it is a blunder! because last king of all Georgia was George VIII (1446-1476)who has been compelled to leave a throne of Georgia and to move in Kaheti. After that Georgia has collapsed on three kingdoms. The King Konstantine (Constantine) II never was the king of all Georgia !!! Therefore claims of a line of Kaheti more legitimate, than of a line of Kartli. Also it is necessary to notice that a line of kings of Kartli has stopped in 1919.--92.54.240.68 (talk) 14:18, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Konstantine II of Kartli 

message: Annexation in my opinion would be the proper term as it deals with specifically parcels of land, regions, or countries. Incorporation is a general definition which could describe a wide range of activities.
:Sure. Furthermore, it occurred in violation of the previous Russo-Georgian treaty.. --KoberTalk 13:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annexation vs. Incorporation 

message: Please don't add princes onto the list of kings- the royal house was removed and therefore did not exist to have any monarchs. If you wish to include them, by all means create separate articles if they were indeed notable. Monsieurdl 14:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princes 

message: I have started on the table of monarchs partially. If anyone could, please help finish it. I am a little busy with other stuff right now.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 01:56, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: Many errors in the use of English or violations of NPOV in the article need corrections: "Gruzinsky of Georgia" is redundant: "Gruzinsky" means "of Russia" "of Georgia" in Russian. "House" refers to the entire patrilineage, whereas a "branch" or "line" is a sub-division of a house. There is massive over-capitalization throughout the article: For example, in section titles, only the first word and proper nouns should be capitalized (e.g., "Royal Dynasty" is redundant in an article on "kings of Georgia", and neither "Royal" nor "Dynasty" nor "King" is a proper noun in English). The "Almanach de Saxe-Gotha" is a spurious website that often copies information incorrectly from other websites: it is not a reliable source. Correcting many errors of grammar, syntax or excessive usage. FactStraight (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, Gruzinsky doesn't mean "of Russia", it means "of Georgia". Second, why did you remove Royal on Principalities? All the 5 principalities were Royal not just sovereign as you wrote. I'm gonna edit that mistake down there. GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 19:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a typo. You are right to correct my error, as all errors should be corrected. Thank you. FactStraight (talk) 21:35, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrections to text

message: This has been moved to Monarchism in Georgia by User:GeorgianJorjadze. Here is what used to here .--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 03:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georgian royal family today (inappropriate section moved here) 

message: So the consensus seems to be that this list – and the cluster of associated lists, family trees, and articles, is a big, bad, mess. Fixing it seems at times out of reach, given the complexity of the subject and the various approaches of different contributors, but let's give it a try.
The list of lists lists 10 lists and family trees, many overlapping with each other, and built on divergent principles; the main list is still particularly cluttered, with some royals appearing twice and haphazard chronology. Some lists are based on (A) geographical/historical units (kingdoms), some on (B) dynasties (mostly the Bagration), although on the main list, both principles coexist.
Perhaps we should stick to (A) for lists, to (B) for family trees.
The problem with these is that as we go back in history, the exact family relationships between rulers becomes less certain, primary sources cannot be trusted and secondary modern sources offer various hypotheses rather than clear-cut solutions: building an NPOV family tree of Georgian rulers before the 10th century seems doomed to me. For an illustration of conflicts brought by such an endeavor, see Talk:Georgian monarchs family tree of Bagrationi dynasty‎. The family trees should in my opinion be more closely associated to the articles about the dynasties, either as a section or a stand-alone linked from the article – we would also have to source them correctly (if that's even possible) and change the terrible names some of them have. Maybe "Family tree of the Iberian Chosroids", "...of the Guaramids", etc., could work, . Family tree of ancient Georgian monarchs as it is now has absolutely no point, as it doubles a list with absolutely no regard to historical accuracy and sources in the purported family relations it depicts.
As for lists for each kingdom, as Dbachmann just said re. Diauehi, this is not useful as long as the amount of rulers is not too long: in such cases, a section in the article about the political entity seems perfectly enough to me. A good example would be Kingdom of Abkhazia#Rulers.
Regarding this main list, I think the best way to start fixing it is to focus on the unified kingdom and its successor states, that is from 1008 to the Russian annexation. For earlier periods, depending on how this goes, we could either integrate it in this list or develop one or more lists for pre-unification Georgian kingdoms, ancient kingdoms (mostly Iberia, as the others don't have so many historically sure rulers), etc. I think it would be premature to take a position on that question now. For 1008 and later, especially for periods of fragmentation, I think a good model to follow is List of Frankish kings, which splits into columns during periods of division. Looks a bit tough technically, but I could try myself at it unless some more competent user wants to try that first.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, and please discuss! Susuman77 (talk) 12:53, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks clear & straightforward. I suggest you proceed. FactStraight (talk) 05:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What now? 

message: Demetrius II was not executed by the Mongol Great Khan, who nominally was the Yuan Emperor. The Great Khan's title was now nothing more than a traditional designation, as the Mongol Empire had split into its various confederations half a century earlier.  Argun was the Il-Khan.  Please correct the table.50.111.57.134 (talk) 19:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: not the Great Khan - the Il-Khan

message: Why not expand the chronology in any form? Why could not we leave the chronological tables. Is it from a source?--Lasha-george (talk) 05:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: ?

message: :Please be informed that I have made changes to your request regarding Hayk and Argus. If the mentioned redirection was problematic, should we add the genealogy of the descendants of Georgian kings?--Lasha-george (talk) 14:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: I repeat that I followed the instructions and corrected Hayk (Haos) and Argus (Arg). I think the descendants of Georgian kings should be added as necessary to better understand the chronology of kings.--Lasha-george (talk) 05:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Revised

message: The last king of united Georgia was George VIII! George XII was only the king of Kartl-Kakheti and during his time the king of Imereti was Solomon II. Therefore, the image of the dashboard needs to be changed. Lasha-george (talk) 08:18, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings Lasha-george. George XII was an ultimate final ruler and his death and absorbtion of his kingdom was a defining moment lf an end of Georgian monarchy. Regards, An emperor ✖ 12:56, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok An emperor, but officially he was never the king of united Georgia. He was the king of Kartl-Kakheti. At the same time, Solomon II reigned in Imereti... Epigram of Amazaspos Why did you change? I don't think it was necessary to remove the picture... Thank you.--Lasha-george (talk) 15:50, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Lasha-george! This article is a list for all Georgian kings from Iberia to Kartli-Kakheti and Imereti. But George XII, sucessor of Erekle II was recognized as the leading Georgian monarch thus had higer standing than Imeretian monarchs. Georgia's domiantion by Russia exactly starts from 1801 when Kartli and Kakheti were annexed by the Russian Empire. Imeretian annexation just followed bit later. As for epigram, I want to thank you for adding another source as well but the picture has no significance. It is just a bookpage print and not an actual inscription. Regards, An emperor ✖ 20:44, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The need to change the picture in the information board of the [[Kings of Georgia]].