Talk:Derby

message: I've noted that the entry states that Bonnie Prince Charlie stayed at the Bell Inn in Sadler Gate in December 1745.  This is incorrect, though possibly some of his men stayed there, as they did at the George Inn  (just around the corner on Irongate) and at many of the houses and taverns in the town.  The prince, stayed at the large and grand Exeter House on Full Street, which stood on the banks of the Derwent.
Destruction of City Centre - there is an appropriate remark in 2nd edition Pevsner on the clearance of the city centre for the inner ring road and bridges. (roughly 'as a road scheme it is claimed to be a triumph, but as townscape it is a disaster.' )I'll enter it when I find my copy again and check out.Linuxlad 17:26, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: When was the inner ring road built? Not mentioned in the piece. jamesgibbon 12:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: I see - thanks. I first moved here (Derby) in 1989, and it was certainly here then! jamesgibbon 19:04, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous

message: I was wondering why Derby has a bigger Borough population than Urban Area, I have always thought the Urban Area would have extended further than the Borough, i am probably wrong, but would like to know why I am nevertheless.  --Wilde89 17:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban Area against Borough population 

message: I have made some small changes to the media section. If anyone objects, feel free to roll them back (I'm new to this :) )
I've also changed the article to reflect the fact that train manufacture continues in the town to some extent.
(1.8.06) The 'Media' section looks to have been changed again recently - 
BBC Radio Derby, is the BBC local alternative, aimed at the over 50s, broadcasting on 104.5 FM - I wouldn't personally agree with this; I know loads of people under this age who enjoy the features it broadcasts. (I'm 18 myself!)
All BBC local radio services are aimed primarily at the over 55s, although they take audience from across the age spectrum.
I can't vouch for the 55 'cut-off' line, but it is true that local BBC stations are aimed at a mature audience. The only time I'm even aware of a large youth audience paying attention to the broadcast is when the football's on. - Hayter 22:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to Media and railway section  

message: I added a section to history on Derby's Deaf community - I'm not sure whetehr this is the best place for it or to start a new section.  Derby is nationally famous for its large sign language using community and for as a cultural centre for the Deaf World.
It's a big ommisin if it doesn't get a mention somehwere on the page.
I could ask permission from Harold Mold whether perhaps a photograph or two from his Book "Derby Deaf" which chronicles Derby's Deaf Community might be used - in which case it might be worth generated a separate linked article with more detail?
--Topmark 14:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaf Community 

message: Suggest the page has an extra section about waste management and recycling in the city. Snowman 17:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waste Management 

message: I think the disrict links could do with a cleanup. Maybe changing to the official wards of the city and removing some unnecessary links Dommccas 01:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: districts

message: As above i have put a table on this page with the official wards and all areas contained within it. I'm currently working on Allestree which as a ward contains what was Markeaton Village. It doesn't seem theres a lot of interest in changing derby at the moment. However i was wondering what people would think if i merged markeaton and allestree with a view to having only 17 ward pages with all the information for any area's contained in the ward in the correesponding page. ie have Markeaton in Allestree, Little Chester in Darley Abbey etc. With most of these there should be no problem as the smaller articles such as Heatherton Village really offer no use as a seperate article. But markeaton has a long history and maybe deserves it's own article or a redirect to the right part of the allestree article. i'm going to go ahead and add Markeaton to Allestree. if anyone objects leave a message here or on my talk page User_talk:Dommccas or just change it. It would be good to get a consensus though. Just wondering what people's thoughts were on this.
cheers
14:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sign your comments officially please, it's much easier. As for your idea, as a resident of the Allestree I can't see it being a big deal - we can always split it later if enough is gathered for seperate articles Philipwhiuk 23:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wards

message: I would dispute the assertion that Derby, along with York, is one of the few places in England to have retained a name of Viking origin. All place names ending in 'by', of which there are many in the East Midlands, are Viking in origin. Ulysses54 07:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins

message: John Osbourne (Look Back In Anger, The Entertainer) lived in Derby with his wife... this being the setting of Look Back In Anger. Some the scenes from the film were also film in Derby.
James Morrison (Singer) was 'discovered' in Derby if that's of any relevance.
hmmmm there is probably plenty of things i've forgotten. I just think even though the city certainly lacks culture, it surely has more than just a football club.
Plus there are more venues than just the Victoria Inn and more famous/popular bands having played there than Snow Patrol and The View.
Wikipedia is an encylopedia, not a list of who played were. Try to keep it short.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamwade (talk • contribs) 02:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Derby Residents + Random 

message: I thought that the way the Red Arrow service is described as "successful" and "operating up to every 15 minutes, and up to early hours at weekends" sounded a little like advertising.
What do we think? Catalina 123 18:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, clearly advertising, have removed it. Didn't spot this before :O Philipwhiuk 23:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport: Bus and Coach section — Red Arrow service description sounds like an advertisement? 

message: substantiation needed -->If you are from Derby you are refered to as a Derbidian (pronounced "dar-bid-ion")  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chevin (talk • contribs) 13:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ever heard of a Derbidian?

message: I've tackled some of the un-cited comments with a series of edits, here's hoping I haven't upset anyone. Some of it was plain advertising and some was just badly formatted. Thanks Philipwhiuk 23:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up 

message: This section is pretty terrible, the "Many cities have a thriving nightlife, Derby is no exception" bit especially. Also, the entirety of Derby isn't split into Sadler Gate and Westfield. Especially as I'm pretty damned sure that Sadler Gate is just the single street. I'm unsure of how to go about describing Derby properly though. :/ 88.106.6.69 (talk) 13:34, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shopping and Nightlife 

message: 10 Derby Facts
1. England's most central city and with a population of 250,000.
2. Derby is rated number 1 in England for visible exports per capita.
3. Derby is England's fastest growing city (by wealth creation GVA).
4. Home to England's first public park.
5. City centre has a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
6. Home to Toyota - Europe's largest inward investment.
7. The World's leading Aerospace city - Rolls Royce.
8. Derby has more listed buildings than the city of York.
9. Derby has a top 10 rated health service.
10. Derby is the UK's leading Rail Technology city.
http://www.urcs-online.co.uk/companies/company.asp?id=21  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.75.26 (talk) 19:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  10 Derby Facts 

message: I added a note to the historical section on the (comparatively light)  bombing of Derby, especially Royce's, in WW1 & WW2. I've since come across a little book 'The bombing of Rolls-Royce at Derby in two World Wars' by Kirk, Felix & Bartnik (published by the RR Heritage Trust, 2002). On a quick read, the 'false factory' appears to have been part of a 'Starfish' site, which was in the fields down at Foremark apparently, but is only part of the story. Bob aka Linuxlad (talk) 10:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bombing of RR and other places in WW1 & 2

message: According to the list of county towns Derby is shown as the county town of Derbyshre. The county town is in actual fact Matlock. 87.113.85.90 (talk) 11:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derbyshire's County Town 

message: The first attempt to show pronunciation is of no use. Only IPA will serve. I assume that the point of the inadequate transcription is to show that the first vowel is like the vowel in "park" rather than a long schwa.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.57.113 (talk) 13:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: pronunciation

message: I have lived in Derby all my life and now I will point out some things that are SO wrong it is unbelievable.
1. Mackworth Estate has NEVER been called "Little London" so that is wrong.
2. There is not a lively punk atmosphere, the Punx Picnic isn't famous and there is never any adverts for it.
3.WHO IN GODS NAME ARE ANTI PASTI, AND WHAT HITS DID THEY HAVE!?
4. Little Chester? LITTLE CHESTER? No. Never heard it, never been called that, not on any maps apart from Google. Stupid.
5. You can't just walk into Robert Ludlam Theatre. It is in a school, idiots!
6. "The Derby Ram" is never used at Derby County football matches, ever. It is "Steve Bloomer's Watching".
7. Derby, one of the inspirations for Central Park in New York? Sure.
8. How come Model Car collectors wouldn't get a mention, or jewellery collectors, but Keith Hamer, a Test Card Collector, does?
This article needs a serious cleanup. The people who put the information on have likely never been to Derby, just got the information off Google. Clean it up, residents of Derby! Koshoes (talk) Andrew R (talk) 10:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Everything on Wikipedia to do with Derby is just wrong! 

message: Little Chester is the area around Chester Green, a hamlet which became incorporated into Derby as it expanded. It should be possible to corroborate this. In the meantime I suggest a reference to the website Chester Green - (Little Chester) may be helpful.
I can't believe Koshoes  has lived in the city for so long without hearing Derby County F.C. referred to as the Rams or seen their badge or the emblem on the facade of Pride Park Stadium. Chevin (talk) 16:40, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Two comments on the above:

message: Would anyone object if I were to reduce the image sizes down to their default size, they look scruffy as they are and are not in line with convention.  I shall obviously keep all lead images and panoramas at a reasonable size. Mtaylor848 (talk) 19:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image sizes 

message: A new edit goes back to the assertion (from a reference to the Business Link website that is factually incorrect) that Derby was the 2001 Census 18th-ranked Urban Area in the UK. This is not true, as a quick check on National Statistics website will confirm - Derby does not even rank in the top 25 largest Urban Areas in the UK.  (see table 3.1 on that PDF). The problem here is with definitions - "Urban Area" is a very specific National Statistics definition used to compare conurbation areas and is not the same as "City", or "Settlement", both of which are rather more vaguely defined. Compare with the Wikipedia article List of largest United Kingdom settlements by population, where Derby is listed (still incorrectly) as 22nd largest - this table conflates Urban Areas and Local Authority areas. This can be a minefield, but the new version we have at the top of the Derby article is incorrect and I will attempt to revise it, but would be interested to hear any other views. Thanks. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 11:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the article is about the City, the population figures and any ranking associated with them should be those of the city itself (2006 estimate 236,300).--Michig (talk) 12:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your source for the City population 2006 estimate please Michig? I suspect that is actually the 2006 National Statistics "Unitary Authority (Derby UA)" estimate. In fact, if we are using NS UA estimates, we can use the 2008 ones which are out now  - in that table, Derby Unitary is now estimated at 239,200. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 12:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it was the Derby UA 2006 figure. I hadn't realised that later figures were available.--Michig (talk) 12:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they just came out recently. I would personally be happy to cite Unitary Authority figure as the population of Derby and remove the incorrect ranking figure (which refers to a wrong source on Urban Area populations) and have a corrected ranking figure on Urban Areas - 2001. Ranking on Unitaries is pretty much wierd, as Unitaries don't bear much resemblance to largest actual places. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 13:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population figures 

message: Greetings. Can we now agree as to the true height of the tower ? (212' to the tip of the pinnacles). One has since obtained a copy of the buildings official guide... 212' be their reckoning. One can but assume past references to 172' +/- 1'/2' be the height to the parapet ? Whatever, even at 212' it still only ranks seventh among English Anglican Cathedral Towers. Sorry to burst any delusions to the contrary ! ROBERT TAGGART (talk) 13:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed... that would appear to be the case. But, did you know... the guidebook (and one or two other books) speculate as to the original intentions... to cap the tower with either a lantern (as with Boston Stump) or even a spire. If only...!The Syth ! (talk) 09:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derby (All Saints) Cathedral 

message: Suspected vandalism. Some unknown person has added Bob Marley to the list of notable residents.I am unwilling to delete it out of hand, though if it were true I think I would have heard about it. I've enclosed it in comment tags for the time being. Can anyone confirm or refute it? Chevin (talk) 07:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Bob Marley

message: Are there references, sources, for the statement, in Derby "world's first" waterpowered mill was build ? It interests me, because the German region Bergisches Land, were I work now, seems to belong to one of the first waterpowered industrial area's. Friedrich Engels was born there in 1820 and his family than already was wealthy from earnings with cotton mills.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.130.45.70 (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the mill is Lombe's Mill, but Thomas Cotchet's (failed) mill of 1704 was earlier, using copies of Dutch throwing machines - see The Silk Industry of Cheshire and Darley, G. (2003), Factory (Objekt). London: Reaktion Books. . Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Industrial Revolution - world's first waterpowered mill

message: Someone has added footballer Raddy Majewski to the list of notables. However I can't find any link to Derby. He was born and raised in Poland, only moving to England in 2009 and he's played for Nottingham Forest ever since! Even if he currently lives in Derby (does anyone know if this is the case?), I'm not sure this short period of residence would allow him to be classed as a 'notable' for the city. I'm loathe to delete him arbitarily but he was added by a non-logged-in user so I can't contact them to ask for justification. Can anyone provide any reason not to remove him?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neiltonks (talk • contribs) 12:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That pretty much encapsulates the issues of 'notable people' section: the link has to be notable as well as the person. A quick Google search just turned up stories about Majewski playing against Derby. I'm in favour of removing this entry. Nev1 (talk) 12:18, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed him (he was added by an ip, and I moved him to the correct alpha order) Ning-ning (talk) 18:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raddy Majewski 

message: Is Georgia Groome a Derby person? Chevin (talk) 04:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Georgia Groome

message: I query the idea that an industrial boom began in Derby when Rolls-Royce opened. . . . in the town in 1907.
Derby had been an industrial town since the days of James Fox in the late eighteenth century. Chevin (talk) 17:20, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: An industrial boom?

message: I'd query the pronunciations shown here.  Received Pronunciation is entirely non-rhotic, so there shouldn't be an "r" in the first transcription.  And I'd be surprised if there were many rhotic speakers in Derby either, so the local pronunciation shouldn't have an "r" either. 109.147.50.157 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 00:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Wikipedia convention to include rhotic "r"s, for the benefit of rhotic speakers worldwide. See WP:RHOTIC. I've removed mention of RP.  -- Dr Greg  talk  01:15, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Goodness, this page is seriously lacking any content about the habitats, wildlife and sites of interest for nature conservation occurring here. Any takers? Parkywiki (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ecology 

message: The lead section of the article was recently edited by User:Haldraper to "cut excessive administrative detail". I think this is the second time they have performed a similar action; I restored these details a few months ago. I'm fine with the removal of the urban area population figure, but is it really "excessive" to have a few words outlining the city's local government arrangements, i.e. the fact it is a unitary authority area and not governed as part of the administrative county? Merely stating Derby is a "city in Derbyshire" doesn't provide much context; city status in the UK is a pretty nebulous honour in itself. As an example, Bristol (a featured article) begins: "Bristol is a city, unitary authority area and county in South West England..." Jellyman (talk) 13:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure  did this with the best of intentions, however I don't think it helps in any way to remove the term "unitary authority" from the lead sentence. Derby can be described as two things: it is very definitely a city, and it is also very definitely a unitary authority. These are entirely different entities, but equally important, gives clarity to the intitial sentence, so it should go back in without the need for a full revert (albeit his/her deletions were quite minor).  There are numerous other examples where mentioning both types of descriptors is accepted in the lead sentence. e.g.for Bristol and Leicester and a similar one for Manchester, Kingston upon Hull, Hereford etc. Noting also that the lead sentence to Nottingham does not clearly state that it, too, is a unitary authority as well as a city, I have now added this key bit of information.  Parkywiki (talk) 17:42, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

text: Addendum: A quick check (by just looking at what's displayed in the lead sentence in Hovercards), reveals 14 towns, cities or proper place names - out of 55 entries in the current list of unitary authorities in England - have the term unitary authority area within the lead sentences for the placenames. But there were only 2 such entries where only unitary authority is used. Where the articles' titles referred to an electoral region rather than a purely geographical placename, unitary authority area is used 7 times, and unitary authority five times - there, both uses would seem correct. I couldn't be bothered to read all the other articles to get more stats, but it seems to reflect a reasonable amount of accuracy in most of these articles using the word area when describing the regions or places within which these unitary authorities operate. Parkywiki (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

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message: Because this list isn't quite large enough to merit a standalone page, if the entries are broken up by category, the categories should be fairly broad; i.e., collapsing visual arts, music, literature, and enterainment into a single category, and likewise with science, technology, and academia.  Sorting alphabetically is the standard for lists like this; chronological sorting is only appropriate for timelines and other lists where that information is essential. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:42, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the change to broad categories. I am not so sure about the change you made to alphabetical rather than chronological sorting citing WP:MOS. I have had a quick look in the MOS and cannot find such guidance. Is it not better to keep it as written, given there are dates for the entries and they cover a broad span of years?SovalValtos (talk) 09:14, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure if any policies or guidelines specifically declare that name lists should be alphabetized; rather, they single out cases where chronological sorting should be used instead (e.g., timelines, a list of presidents of an institution, etc).  Alphabetical seems to be the de facto ordering for most lists except in those cases.  (Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lists,  Wikipedia:Stand-alone_lists#Lists_of_people). I don't recall seeing any other "notable people from a place" lists in chronological order. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:41, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

text: I expect there are guidelines somewhere for when to split off the subject. Meanwhile continue the good work and perhaps narrow the categories when you see how numbers develop. Chronological sorting works well.SovalValtos (talk) 12:39, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

text: I agree that  the list is a bit unwieldy. When lists get this big, the tendency is to either (1) reduce the font and break the names into columns or (2) spawn a standalone article.  I think (2) is a better approach in this case. Precedents are mixed; Birminghame and Manchester break the list up into alphabetical chunks, whereas Glasgow, Edinburgh, and York take the current approach here.  It seems awkward in List_of_people_from_York to begin this list with "individuals" that is essentially "miscellaneous" then doing specific categories.  OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:00, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for organizing "Notable people" list

message: In my opinion, the 'Nearly settlements' sub-heading contained within the article should be removed if no information can be added to it as in my opinion it looks strange to have a sub-heading in the article which has no information underneath it. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 22:05, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't have "no information": it contains a (collapsed) template showing nearby settlements. There's an argument that the template should be expanded by default, though. Dave.Dunford (talk) 22:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it should be expanded. The information it contains is compact enough to show by default. Neiltonks (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Nearby settlements' sub-heading should be removed 

message: I think we should merge the Derby Built-up Area article into here as it fails WP:GEOLAND and doesnt contain much more than just Derby plus a couple villages. Eopsid (talk) 11:33, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I'd agree without further consideration. Is this part of a suite of other Built Up Area articles, and how far out do these villages go?  Little Eaton and Duffield aren't remotely part of the City of Derby, unlike parts of Quarndon, Borrowash or Ockbrook. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: All the Built-up Area articles need to be looked at because we can't base articles simply on ONS definitions. There needs to be sources that discuss the area descriptively as an entity without relying solely on ONS stats.----Pontificalibus 12:20, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Urban Area Merge proposal

message: There does seem to be a need for a link to a stand alone, or section of another article.  The citation tells the full story of its notability.--ClemRutter (talk) 09:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I just made an article: Derby Assembly Rooms. Feel free to expand. Best, Thriley (talk) 01:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derby Assembly Rooms