Talk:Molon labe

message: I'm sure someone knows how to pronounce this, as well as the dialect of Greek it represents. These could be useful additions to the article.
Shouldn't this be mentioned on Battle of Thermopylae?  I don't know enough about the history of the battle to integrate it. Lord Bodak 13:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "b" in the entire statement, it is a v  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.221.124 (talk) 06:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: "the implication is that the outcome is certain—"after you have come here and defeated me, then it will be yours to take."
I'm curious, how is the notion of "defeat" implied moreso in the Greek version than english?
I understand that the Greek emphasis the fact that you must first completed "coming" before "taking", but the leap from that to imply "defeat before taking" would be the same as in English no? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.76.98 (talk) 09:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost in translation 

message: Hi, I don't believe that the "Come and Take It" flag flew at the Alamo; it flew over the fort in Gonzales, TX during the battle of Gonzales, as a rude dare to the Mexican Army to attempt reacquisition of the stolen cannon. Search for "Battle of Gonzales" on this site and you'll see what I'm talking about. JaegerRukajarvi 20:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alamo Flag? 

message: The article states this: "Greek language has a nuance not present in English: aspect. " Not quite. English has a complex and involved grammatical aspect, even if one can conflate it with tense. Please see the Article in question and decide whether English lacks grammatical aspect. I don't think it does, and from what I can tell out there, a lot of linguists and grammarians agree with me. Peter1968 02:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it has aspect, sort of, but it doesn't have this one! 82.36.26.70 18:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, you're right. English doesn't have Classical Greek's aspect. Who'd have thought, huh? Peter1968 23:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical aspect - English. 

message: The following, while interesting, seems to be original research and also a bit overstated.
:The difference in meaning is subtle but significant: the English speaker is inviting his enemy to begin a process with two distinct acts or parts—coming and taking; the Greek speaker is telling his enemy that only after the act of coming is completed will he be able to take. In addition there is a subtle implication: in English "come and take it" implies that the enemy might not win the struggle—the outcome is uncertain; in Greek, the implication is that the outcome is certain—"after you have come here and defeated me, then it will be yours to take."
Also the claim about the certainty of the outcome in Greek is questionable. The aspect of molon implies that the taking will occur after the coming but it says nothing about defeat. Armies can come without defeating their adversaries. Although I enjoyed reading this section, I feel it falls under "original research" and belongs in someone's blog unless, that is, reliable, neutral sources can be found for these claims. Interlingua 14:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar section - original research 

message: Why does this article fail to link to the article on "Laconic phrase"? Molon Labe is the perfect example of a Laconic phrase (although the Spartans were generally masters of the noble art of terse verbal machismo, along with the later Vikings).--Peter Knutsen 19:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no link to Laconic phrase? 

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message: Anytime the word "never" appears, that's a red flag. I think the entire sentence "The English speaker can understand it with a little thought, but he would never use it." should just be eliminated.  An intelligent English speaker would not only understand this construction, he (or she!) could most certainly use it.  A man gives a book to a friend, and tells her: "Having finished, call me."  Sure it sounds a little old fashioned, but it's certainly not grammatically incorrect.   In short, the grammar section should stick to Greek grammar, which is fascinating enough as it is, and not try to teach English people how to speak English. Daniel Freeman (talk) 10:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar section needs trimming 

message: There seems to be an extraneous accent mark on ɔ̀ː and é, which aren't present anywhere inside of the IPA article. As such, I've removed them. GoogolplexForce (talk) 00:45, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Those accents represent high and low pitch respectively, which is probably what the Greek acute and grave accents marked (although the grave accent's pronunciation might have been mid-tone instead). See WP:IPA for Greek, right column of table, bottom, and International Phonetic Alphabet#Suprasegmentals. — Eru·tuon 13:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient Greek IPA pronunciation 

message: I have shortened and rewritten the last paragraph of the grammar section.  Several statements were tagged as needed citations, but I don't know of any to support them.  My knowledge of Greek grammar is hardly complete, but this is a common construction and I don't know of anything that supports the particular conclusions reached in the prior version of the paragraph.  I have tried to keep it simple, pointing out that the use of an aorist participle in this construction shows the order of the actions, but not opining on the nuance that may demonstrate in this particular case.  Eluchil404 (talk) 08:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar again 

message: I don't know where and who said that the pronounnciation is different in the phrase Molon Lave  ΜΟΛΟΝ ΛΑΒΕ , but in both Modern and Ancient Greek the letter B was always a V sound.   In Greek you have to mix a Greek M and a Greek P to get a B sound  EXAMPLE  BABA  ΜΠΑΜΠΑ  μπαμπα-  meaning daddy -- 2604:2000:6aeb:fe00:a45e:329f:23a4:5a8a
:It was pronounced /b/ in classical Greek, but it became /v/ still in antiquity, some time around 100 BC or so. See Koine_Greek_phonology#Stop_consonants.
:Fwiiw, there is no doubt that Leonidas would have pronounced it /labe/. Plutarch, who reports the phrase, otoh, would probably already have said /lave/. --dab (𒁳) 09:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: I see 'notion' as a loaded term indicating disapproval. I suggest a more objective descriptor (e.g. 'idea' or maybe 'principle' or perhaps 'belief').71.209.178.211 (talk) 06:03, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of this phrase as a Second Amendment saying 

message: Why is "noli me tangere" listed in "see also"? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:55, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "See also" 

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message: Molan Labe is the sounding call of the day. 2603:8080:EF06:82EE:49A1:D847:A75:4D2A (talk) 09:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Texans have been here before.