Talk:Order of the Rising Sun

message: Has been merged in as far as possible.  There ia a diasagreement on  date  ... established in April 1875? Rich Farmbrough 11:21, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Order of the Rising Sun page

message: Seems like the Paulownia thing should be separate from the Rising Sun thing, judging by this:
http://www8.cao.go.jp/intro/kunsho/eiyaku.html
and also the Japanese version of Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.212.252.110 (talk) 02:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paulownia 

message: In the header of the article it is stated that before 1981 only Japanese males were qualified to receive the order. However, from the list of recipients it is clear that many foreign men received the order before 1981. Who can clarify this? I do not read Japanese. Michel Doortmont (talk) 12:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be awarded for civil or military merit Non-Japanese were first awarded The Order of the Rising Sun in 1981, and women became eligible for the award in 2003. --Tenmei (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persons qualified for award 

message: Not sure about this, but as for my information Finnish Marshal C.G.E. Mannerheim has also recieved this honor, and personaly I think this would be
worth to mention cos' he beeing person who got decorations from both sides of WWII.
Here is link to the medal for someone to verify Picture and link to offical page (in Finnish) Offical page, medal in no.77. 130.232.134.8 (talk) 19:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Paulownia for C.G.E. Mannerheim

message: I have moved the following sub-headings from the article; but of course, they can be re-posted if consensus determines that it is appropriate to do so.  
::* 1st Class, Order of the Rising Sun, Grand Cordon (equivalent to the degree of Grand Cordon of a European order)
::* 2nd Class, Order of the Rising Sun, Gold and Silver Star (equivalent to the degree of Grand Officer of a European order)
::* 3rd Class, Order of the Rising Sun, Gold Rays with Neck Ribbon (equivalent to the degree of Commander of a European order)
::* 4th Class, Order of the Rising Sun, Gold Rays with Rosette (equivalent to the degree of Officer of a European order)
::* 5th Class, Order of the Rising Sun, Gold and Silver Rays (equivalent to the degree of Knight of a European Order)
::* 6th Class, Order of the Rising Sun, Silver Rays (equivalent to a Gold Medal in a European order) 
::* 7th Class, Green Paulownia Leaves Medal (equivalent to a Silver Medal in a European order)
::* 8th Class, White Paulownia Leaves Medal (equivalent to a Bronze Medal)
Two factors inform my actions:
*A. There is no specific citation which supports the explanatory notes; and the material would therefore seem to be inconsistent with WP:NOR; and
*B. The listing of European equivalents implies a Euro-centric perspective which is inconsistent with a Japanese context construed as unique. 
It is easy to imagine Aumnamahashiva's rationale in augmenting the sub-headings in this way; and it may well be that others will agree that this was useful.  I can see how some might consider this helpful explanatory material as a significant enhancement.  Moreover, I would not be surprised if some Meiji period reference source could be cited which would fully justify these explanatory notes in terms of WP:V.  
However, even if a credible reference source were cited, I would be inclined to argue in favor of  re-positioning this information elsewhere -- perhaps in a sentence or two which explains the historical context.  I would argue in opposition to restoring these modified sub-section headings because, it seems to me, in the 21st century, Japanese honors and decorations have evolved somewhat beyond their Meiji genesis.  
As a comparison, I might question whether such explanatory notes might seem a little out of place in the sub-headings of articles about the Order of Australia, the Order of New Zealand,  or the Order of Canada?  In a similar vein, I would be inclined to edit the first paragraph of India's highest military decoration, the Param Vir Chakra (PVC), preferring instead to re-position any mention of equivalents elsewhere in the article.  I would have thought that this kind of explanation would belong in any other place except the introductory paragraph -- compare Légion d'honneur. 
I would have thought that today's honours and decorations are more accurately construed as orders of merit rather than orders of chivalry?  Perhaps an interesting subject for further research would investigate such changes in perception and intention which distinguish the Shōwa honours of the 1930s in contrast with those announced this year? --Tenmei (talk) 14:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: European equivalents?

message: Does it make sense to limit new additions to this list? This thread is a first step in seeking consensus opinion.
Is it appropriate at this stage of the article's development to initiate a standard limiting names on this select list to 
:(a) those who already have Wikipedia articles 
:and 
:(b) those whose award of this Japanese honor is also verified by a reliable source citation  -- see, e.g., US Navy Cross edit history? 
In a context informed by practices which seem to have worked out well at Navy Cross, all new additions who aren't already featured in an article could be re-redirected to this talk page section with the following edit history explanation:
::the award of this Japanese honor must be confirmed by a reliable source citation -- see "Status: verifiability" on talk page
The names of those with an article, but with no reliable source confirming this honor are listed below:
* Martha Argerich --?
* Louis Bols RESTORED 7 Aug 09 with London Gazette citation
* Fosco Maraini --?
* Hendrik Pieter Nicolaas Muller (1859-1941) ---?
* Go Seigen --?
* Hamengkubuwana IX  --? 
* Prince Mikhail Khilkoff (1837-1909). --? 
* Peter Mathias, 2003.
* Tadamichi Kuribayashi --?
* Vsevolod Rudnev,(1855-1913), 1907. Restored 12 Aug 11 with citation
This specific problem arose at Order of the Sacred Treasure; and moving the name to the talk page proved to be a workable solution.  In due course, the honor was verified and the names were restored to their rightful place in the article lists. --Tenmei (talk) 12:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Status: verifiability?

message: In articles about recipients of this honor, the link in the text has been irregularly specific about the class, e.g., 
* "... Order of the Rising Sun, first class ...."
* "... Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun ...."
Japanese government websites appear to have abandoned ordinal numbers in favor of descriptive phrases -- see  here.  Others seem to have adopted a similar approach -- see  here and  here.
This is not an issue of right-or-wrong, but in a context established above, I've tweaked each of the articles about the recipients which are currently listed.  Is this a step in a constructive direction?  A plausible answer to the implied questions about what is best may be something like what was written  here, e.g.,
* "... received the Order of the Rising Sun, Gold Rays with Neck Ribbon, which represents the third highest of eight classes associated with the award." (italics added)
I invite comments and/or discussion which leads to a broader consensus. --Tenmei (talk) 13:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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message: I came to the page to see the list of people who had received his award and found him missing.  I see that he's a class of award recipients that is being discussed (after I made the add) so I will understand if consistency demands he is removed.  
I think he should be added on the grounds that we know which award he got and cite it.  And I feel the same about all recipients.  It would be nice to be able to come to this page and CTRL-F a name to verify which award they got.  
That's my argument.
Camoguard (talk) 20:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: I'm not sure where he will go in article: 
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2018/07/21/books/lifetime-devoted-haiku-nets-scottish-poet-prestigious-honor/#.XDWmt_xCcQF --Richard Reinhardt (talk) 07:55, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
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message: I'm not sure how to add Admiral Gilday as a recipient of the Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun, so I figure I'd just give the source and let someone smarter than me figure it out so I don't break the page.
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