Talk:Muscogee language

message: in this article it is claimed that "I" makes a "ɛj" sound in this language. I believe whoever wrote this means "eɪ", as diphthongs rarely end in approximants, and "eɪ" is a much more common sound.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.158.134.45 (talk) 13:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  In fact the current linguistic fashion of ending diphthongs in [ɪ] or [ʊ] is what is phonetically strange. Try exactly pronouncing [aʊ], with the "u" of "put" -- it's nothing like the English diphthong in "out". Phonemically, for Muscogee diphthongs the notation /ei/, /oi/, /au/, /iu/ is probably most appropriate, as these are the symbols used for the (non-reduced) Muscogee Short Vowels.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.2.31 (talk) 03:58, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: One way or another, currently it's not obvious what combination of phonemes this spelling represents. 89.64.70.52 (talk) 11:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ɛj vs eɪ 

message: I don't have a source to cite, but some of the unusual Muscogee alphabet spellings, rather than being "vastly different from those in English" (current article prose), probably represent historical/regional English spellings and orthography:
* single e as [ɪ] : this is the U.S. Southern pronunciation of "get" as "git"
* letter i as [ɛj] : this is a transitional phase in the Great English Vowel Shift from /i:/ to /ai/, still heard today in Celtic dialects of the British Isles; alternately today's Muscogean [ɛj] pronunciation may be a development from, or dialectical variation of, an actual 19th century [ai]
* letter v as [ə] : this is derived from old-fashioned writing in which u/v were interchangeable letter shapes, being chosen based on the reduced-U sound in English "up"
The letter c is indeed being reassigned as an "unused" English letter, but the sound assigned to it is perhaps not coincidentally one used in older German spelling (before front vowels, e.g. Cigarette/Zigarette), and in some Eastern European spelling systems. 
The letter r as [ɬ] is the only total innovation, and a logical one given the similar mouth position to /r/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.2.31 (talk) 04:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unusual Muscogee Alphabet Letters 

message: It did not last long, but Wikipedia had a Muscogee language version have 25-some articles. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#10.2B_articles There was a Choctaw language version too (15 articles) and it's now closed. Only the Cherokee language version has over 700 articles. The efforts to have Wikipedia versions in Oklahoma's top three Native American languages were difficult, but the versions help strengthen the use of these languages. 71.102.1.95 (talk) 14:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's too bad. For these smaller Indigenous-language Wikipedia efforts to succeed, they need to be coordinated with tribal language programs. I'm not sure who set up the Muscogee language Wiki, but if they ever want to restart it, they might contact Gloria MacCarty, Muscogee language teacher at the University of Oklahoma too. The students could possibly contribute articles. -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:14, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Muscogee Language version 

message: I would like to suggest that the following words be hyper-linked to their respective descriptive Wikipedia pages. This would make interpreting the linguistic information and jargon much easier for laypersons visiting this page. It would also make for a much greater convenience. 
-Hyper-link velar and uvular under the plosives section
-labiodental and bilabial should be hyper-linked under the fricatives section 
-Glottal should be hyper-linked 
-Nasal assimilation and nasalizing grade hyper-links under vowels 
-Centralization hyper-link under longer vowels 
-hyper-link diphthongs
That concludes what I was able to gleam from the article. There very well may be a few more needing addition. 
Koeppenf (talk) 04:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely—you should go for it! You can create Wikilinks (links to other Wikipedia articles) by clicking the "edit this page tab" then placing the terms you want linked in between double brackets (e.g. diphtongs), then make sure you describe your actions in the edit summary box (such as "adding links"), click the "show preview" button, make any necesary changes, then click the "save page" button. More information about linking can be found here: WP:LINKSTYLE. -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linguistic Jargon Hyperlinks  

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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: I liked this very much  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anayguy (talk • contribs) 20:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  wow 

message: Overall, this article is well-written. I do not note any spelling/grammar errors and whatever information has been included is informative and well articulated. The lead has a proper table of contents and introduces the topic of the article well, and the article itself follows the table of contents within the lead. However, one suggestion I would make would be to include more information within the article about the Muscogee culture/history of the language and the people, not just information about the language's orthography and phonology. The lead mentions more about the people, which is kind of misleading when most of the article is just about the syntax/grammar structure and overall morphology of the language. Inayasingh (talk) 16:14, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: According to the Phonology section, this should be either [maskógî] or /maskókî/? 89.64.70.52 (talk) 11:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [maskókî] 

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