Talk:Terry Kath

message: Is an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound (like Kath and Jon-Erik Hexum) a "suicide"?  I always thought that the definition of a suicide was when one killed oneself intentionally; accidents (even if resulting from gross stupidity) don't qualify.
--192.65.41.20 20:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the definition of "suicide" is intentionally killing oneself.  While no one outside of Kath's inner circle knows exactly what happened, the band's official position has always been that Kath's death was an accident.  I would be in favor of replacing the term "suicide" with "death". Aguerriero 15:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

text: No, suicide must be intentional to be considered suicide, look it up on wikipedia or any dictionary.  "Intentional" should be in the first line.99.225.198.95 (talk) 17:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree.. even Jimi Hendrix considered him a master guitarist.  His death was a real loss.  I hope you will contribute to the article if you can - and don't forget to sign your comments on Talk pages with four tildes (~~~~)! Aguerriero (talk) 02:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is accidental self-inflicted  gunshot wound a "suicide"?

message: This page needs to be cleaned up. There is too much opinion and gossip and this veers too far into fan worship for it to be a relevent encyclopedia entry. Aaronproot
:Can you provide examples of sections you feel are inappropriate? Aguerriero (talk) 03:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: page needs to be cleaned up

message: This was semi-protected for repeated addition of uncited information by an IP range. When everyone's ready to start playing by the rules, we'll unprotect. --Spangineerws (háblame) 04:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: There is an IP editor that insists on inserting Terry Kath Tribute Site into the links section - over and over again.
This site's links are all dead - except for the email link. This site is not active except for the front page and the email link.
It should not be inserted. If you see it, please delete it and warn the IP user.
Manway (talk) 07:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tripod Tribute Site 

message: I was mildly irritated at reading the following sentence in the 'Death' section: "Camelia was later married to Kiefer Sutherland from 1987 to 1990." Would it be possible to reorganise the article so that this sentence is not in this section? It does not really have all that much to do with Terry Kath's death. Coyets (talk) 17:18, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't belong in this article at all. I removed it. Robofish (talk) 17:39, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death section 

message: Kind of critical in music history. Sort of like when Haydn said that Mozart was better than he was, or Schumann on Chopin. They need to be sourced however. The quotes are floating around.
Here's one "source" of the two: search YouTube for "Terry Kath tribute" posted by mysteriousjungalist.
I could not get the URL to copy/paste to work here using my iPad. Sorry.
Shlishke (talk) 14:25, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should have the two(?) adulatory remarks by Hendrix, no less. 

message: First off, everyone's gotta know that Ritchie333 is the man.  Secondly, the reference for this quote had said that it was located at page 2013 and although I don't doubt that someone wrote a 'bible' on Chicago, I kinda doubt it was that long.  "I don't think there's ever been a better rhythm player. And then, Terry's leads are, for that day especially, world class stuff."  So perhaps someone who has access to that particular dead tree can find the page. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 03:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Stupid mistake on my part. Should be page 3. The actual source is here and is actually a transcription from the Chicago box set. You can use shortened footnotes for sources other than books and journals, where there are multiple pages, which is the case here, and I find doing so makes the article easier to read and attempting to verify the content more manageable. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  08:41, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The missing link 

message: As this edit points out, this article is about an American and should use US English - "favored", "colored", "rumored" etc. I wrote the original text (or at least it looks like I did) - being British I try and adhere to US English on related articles when I remember, but I obviously have the occasional lapse. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No problems; I didn't see any other "infractions". :) As a side note, you have done a great job with this article. I was initially a little skeptical about Danny Seraphine's book being used as a source because of its obvious potential for POV, but I think you've used it appropriately and avoided places for Seraphine's POV might be skewed. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 14:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I fixed it, and you put it and other problems back in, dawg ;)  Yes, Danny's book is loaded with land mines: both obvious POV and subtle potential for POV, and then sometimes it just blurts out a little obscure blurb about a gigantic idea.  But the book overall is a fairly comprehensive well written gold mine.  I had also worked on this article long ago, and part of my contributions have been silent just because I could verify so much from having read a lot of that book.  That book got me back into the idea of reading books again.  Instead of just Wikipedia.  :-o — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 20:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style of English (and related reverts) 

message: The article appears to contain a factual error.  It says: "In a 1971 interview for Guitar Player, he claimed he only went to a music lesson once, saying "all I wanted to do was play those rock and roll chords."[1]"  The reference is to Corbin Reiff's 5/11/13 article in Premier Guitar called "Forgotten Heroes: Terry Kath."  The line in Reiff's article does not say he only took one lesson.  It says: "Only once did he attempt to get professional lessons, but it didn’t go as well as he hoped, as he recalled in a 1971 interview with Guitar Player: “He just kept wanting me to play good lead stuff, but then all I wanted to do was play those rock and roll chords.”  The "once" is not a single lesson, it is the sole period of time during which he sought instruction.  That is clear from the 1971 Guitar Player interview to which Reiff makes reference (available online at http://www.timmwood.com/kathgp.html).  The original article says: "Three years later the self-taught guitarist felt it was time for some lessons, so he spent a year with a jazz teacher trying to learn to read chord patterns."He just kept wanting me to play good lead stuff," Terry recalls, "but then all I wanted to do was play those rock and roll chords."  It may have been a single, year-long lesson, but that seems unlikely.107.217.189.70 (talk) 16:35, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally got round to fixing it. Done a few other copy edits and added a source. More improvements when somebody gets round to GA reviewing it. , , anyone, anyone, Bueller? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar Lessons 

message: @Smuckola-- 
I stand by my edits which were done with integrity. And I edited  only where the statements were so egregious, lacking fact, source, reference it amounted to a distortion. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable--that is Wikipedia's own guidelines. I happen to agree. 
Someone in the band--"quoting" Jimi Hendrix -that Jimi Hendrix "said" Terry Kath was better a guitar player than Jimi Hendrix himself, is fabrication and myth. There is nothing--no cited source,no traceable reference, nothing whatsoever, to substantiate that assertion, and it is within anyone's right to delete speculation, wishful thinking or even a lie. So, yes, I took that out. Also the commentary about how Kath could have been or should have been a rockstar like Hendrix and again the dubious assertions "that even though Hendrix said Kath was better,"  that if Kath had fronted a project called the KATH EXPERIENCE or something similar--he might have been a star. This is once again taking license with "quoting" Hendrix, and attempting to mock reference of THE JIMI HENDRIX  EXPERIENCE, 
as credible information. But, none of this is factual--so it has no relevance. It amounts more to the kind of commentary found in the National Enquirer--not Wikipedia.
It does not further concrete information about Chicago --or Terry Kath: it was sophomoric and juvenile ramblings--and yes, I edited that out.  
That is not disruptive editing and your threats to a new person attempting to edit was unnecessary, unfair and aggressive. 
If the same content resurfaces, I will simply contact the Jimi Hendrix estate, and inform them, the kind of liberties being taken with the Hendrix name. So I won't have to edit out poorly constructed and biased opinionated content. Wikipedia will be served with a cease and desist. And that's a shame. I've come to respect Wikipedia as an informative and reliable source.Apekzp (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not commenting on the threat part, I don't know what that is about but obviously no one should be threatening anyone. But I mostly agree with Apekzp that the current statement in the article that Hendrix said Kath was better than he was is misleading. I don't agree that there is no source. There is a source, I don't think anyone doubts that the one band member from Chicago said that Hendrix said that. But I agree that it is not a very reliable source. There is all sorts of evidence from psychology that memories are very unreliable and that we tend to remember things the way that we wished they happened rather than as they actually did. The other bandmate from Chicago is probably sincere and Hendrix probably said something complimentary about Kath but whether he said specifically Kath was "better than" him (Hendrix) is highly debatable. For one thing Hendrix was extremely modest when it came to his proficiency as a guitar player. Saying "wow he's even better than me" assumes that the person making that statement is known to be very good at what they do. It isn't the kind of thing Hendrix would likely say when he (Hendrix) was essentially still an unknown and only playing guitar with a group that wasn't based around him. I think it should be changed to something like "according to fellow band member X Hendrix once said..." so that it is clear this is just the statement of one person from the band not something Hendrix said to a reporter or on video. As it is now: "Jimi Hendrix was a fan of Kath, and declared him to be a better guitarist" I think it is very misleading. There is no evidence at all that Hendrix was a fan of Chicago or Kath's guitar playing. Hendrix died in 1970 and Chicago had only released 1-2 albums at that point and wouldn't be well known until later. Except for the one encounter at the club I doubt Hendrix even knew of the band or Kath, at least I've never seen any evidence that supported this. I plan to change this. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 20:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Threats to a new Wikipedia Editor 

message: Stated at the 2:00 mark in the Terry Kath documentary trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP4bm-T-1-E.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doommaster1994 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Norwegian Descent

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article currently says that Kath is one of Dweezil Zappa’s favorite guitarists. The reference for that is a page not found on Dweezil’s web site. I tried pasting the URL into the Wayback machine but it wasn’t archived. I also tried looking at interviews where Dweezil talked about his favorite guitarists and saw no mention of Kath. Hence, I’m removing the dead link ref and the claim. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 23:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Unsourced Claim about  Dweezil Zappa  

message: There seems to be some minor edit warring going on where one Internet user (I wish people would get accounts if they are going to edit) keeps changing his death to "self inflicted" and another to "accidental" or "unintentional". Based on the evidence I've seen I think unintentional or accidental is the correct wording. There was one eye witness and according to his testimony it was an accident. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 20:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accidental or self inflicted death? 

message: That issue should be changed. 2600:6C64:517F:DFA8:8433:975E:3C34:4BD7 (talk) 08:36, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you about her remarriage and have removed it. However, the source says she was his wife when he died, and we go with the source. Schazjmd (talk) 15:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage:   He was never married to Camilla Ortiz.  That is a mistake.  She has claimed she married him in 1974.  How can that be when he wasn’t divorced until 1975.   Also who cares if she got remarried to Keiffer Sutherland.  What does that have to do with Terry.