Talk:Charles Goodsell

message: CHARLES T. GOODSELL PROJECT PROPOSAL
Contributors 
* Nicole Warnke (new15txstate)
* Jose Cantu (jose_a_cantu)
* Hunter Roe (hunteroe)
* Myrah Ontiveroz (montiver)
Article Quality Evaluation:
The Charles Goodsell wikipedia article is four sentences long and contains only one source, dated March 16th, 1994. It also contains a warning banner stating that the article needs additional citations. Its overall structure is vague and includes little information about Charles Goodsell’s life, education, or significance. Multiple published works are listed, however none of them have corresponding articles and thus their importance is unclear. Additionally there is only one external link provided at the end of the article. Because this article lacks depth, we will primarily focus on increasing its breadth and establishing its legitimacy as an encyclopedia article. 
To correct this, we have researched Goodsell’s life and education, read a selection of his published work, and explored his other contributions such as a collection of his architecturally themed photography. By doing so, it is our intent to expand upon the limited information about Goodsell’s contributions to, and his role within, the field of Public Administration. Furthermore, through our extensive research, we hope to offer a substantial foundation for our contributions to this article. Finally, by compiling these many and varied resources, we hope to provide an accurate, accessible, and unbiased biographic article. 
Proposed Outline:
Construct Brief Side-Bar Biography
 Montiver (talk) 17:40, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Edits 

message: In this article for the Public Administration Review, Goodsell examines the qualities of ritualistic behavior and formulates three types of administrative ritual: explicit rites, formalistic processes, and expressive programs.
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Ead.lib.virginia.edu. (2005). A Guide to the Charles Goodsell Collection 1982-2001 Goodsell, Charles Collection Ms2004-012. Retrieved 14 October 2015, from http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaxtf/view?docId=vt/viblbv00165.xml#bioghist_1.1
Kalamazoo College. (1954). Kalamzoo College Alumnus. Retrieved from	https://cache.kzoo.edu/bitstream/handle/10920/29739/1954_06_KC_Alumnus.pdf?sequence=1
Vtnews.vt.edu,. (2003). VT Professor Wins National Public Administration Award -- This marks the 2nd year in a row the award has been given to a Virginia Tech professor | Virginia Tech News | Virginia Tech. Retrieved 16 October 2015, from http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2003/02/2003-11.html
Goodsell, C. T. (2011). Mission Mystique: Belief Systems in Public Agencies. Washington, DC: CQ Press.
Goodsell, C. T. (2001). The American Statehouse: Interpreting Democracy’s Temples. Lawrence, KS: University Press of Kansas.
Goodsell, C. T. (1993). Architecture as a setting for governance: Introduction. Journal of Architectural & Planning Research, 10, 271-272. Retrieved fromhttp://www.jstor.org.libproxy.txstate.edu/stable/43029093?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Goodsell, C. T. (1992). The Public Administrator as Artisan. Public Administration Review, 52, 246-253. doi: 10.2307/976922
Goodsell, C. T. (1989). Administration as Ritual. Public Administration Review, 49, 161-166. doi:10.2307/977336
Dometrius, Nelson C. Review. “The Case for Bureaucracy: A Public Administration Polemic. by Charles T. Goodsell.” The Journal of Politics vol. 45, no. 3 (Aug. 1983) pp 790-792. (accessed October 16 2015).
Lovrich, Nicholas. Review, "The New Case for Bureaucracy." Public Integrity 17, no. 2 (Spring 2015): 213-215. Academic Search Complete, EBSCOhost (accessed October 16, 2015).
Matejko, Alexander J. Review, “The Case for Bureaucracy. A Public Administration Polemic by Charles T. Goodsell.” Relations Industrielles/Industrial Relations vol. 40, no. 1 (1985): 188-190. (accessed October 16, 2015).
http://aas.sagepub.com.libproxy.txstate.edu/content/44/7/885.short
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Charles-Goodsell/15908636
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Charles_T._Goodsell  
http://government.eku.edu/insidelook/mpa-faculty-attend-secopa-2013  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jose a cantu (talk • contribs) 17:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>''Administration as Ritual''</nowiki> 

message: Great job on covering Goodsell's early life/education. Also, providing a list of all of his work/contributions is a great addition to this article. One thing that I would add to the "Early Life and Education" section is providing a hyperlink to " V.O. Key Jr" so readers of the article may have a little more knowledge of who he is. One thing I think should be expanded is the section "Academic Career". I feel like his contributions to each of his professional jobs needs to be briefly expanded. Maybe explain what how he contributed to his employers and how he impacted Public Administration through his career. Overall, this article did a good job in covering Charles Goodsell.
Sss71996 (talk) 17:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: Comprehensiveness
A. The lead section does give a useful overview of the main topic which is Charles Goodsell. I feel like it could be a little more in depth though. 
-The Introduction, Early life and Education, Academic career, Awards, and Public Administration author.
-I do believe they fully cover the material needed to inform people about this person, but I also think, as I stated earlier that there could be a little more information added to each section. 
-Yes, there are sources as well as references to back up there information. 
B. Yes, this article focuses on a clear topic, which is Charles Goodsell. 
It includes references from academic journals, so yes it does include scholarly support. 
Since the topic here is a person, not a term there isn’t really a lot of perspectives you can have, just fatcs. They do a good job of providing those facts as perspective yes. 
No competing points of view because it is a person. 
Sourcing
-As far as I can see all claims seem to be supported with proper references when appropriate. 
-The article has a sufficient amount of references to support the articles claims. 
-Yes, they do follow the form requested by the professor. 
neutrality
-The article has a very neutral viewpoint and consist of facts about this person. It definitely avoids making wild assumptions and sticks to facts withh references to support. 
Readability
A. The entry is written well, in a manner that is easy to read and navigate. 
-Sentences are carefully crafted, but could be a little more clear. 
-The entry eems to have been proofread and free of typos. 
B. The Paragraphs are well structured and because the topic is a person there is a clear focus on Charles Goodsell himself. 
-The Article has appropriate section headings on all sections as well as correct links. 
Open Ended 1
The article is very organized and well thought out. It is easy to get a grasp on who Charles Goodsell is for the most part as well as to look up any of his works or publications. 
Open Ended 2
A few improvement I’d like to see is a little more information on each of the sections. They do a good job of summing it up, but if possible going a little more in depth about his life wouldn’t be a bad thing. Also The “Academic career” section title could be a little misleading. I didn’t necessarily know it was going to be about his teaching career when I read the title.  
J r186 (talk) 19:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review  

message: Overall the team did a good job contributing to the article. It was clear and easy to understand on what they are going to contribute. It had reliable sources but one thing I would like to state is to expand and go into a little more in depth on the Education and Academic Career section. It was supported and state where they would add sources. It does have a variety of sources that they were going to use.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mel29g (talk • contribs) 20:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: To address "undue significance" (suggested by user/jesseraffe):
The following are a list of publications referencing Goodsell's work, including articles written for the Public Administration Review. I will add these references as time allows. 
* Comparative Policy Studies: Conceptual and Methodological Challenges
By Isabelle Engeli, Christine Rothmayr Allison
* Artifacts and Organizations: Beyond Mere Symbolism
By Anat Rafaeli, Michael G. Pratt
* Handbook of State Government Administration
By John J. Gargan
* Surveillance, Transparency, and Democracy: Public Administration in the information age
By Akhlaque Haque
* State and Local Politics
By Margo Berman
* An Inner Voice for Public Administration
Nancy Bott Murray
* Joseph M. Juran: Critical Evaluations in Business and Management
By John Cunningham Wood
* Administrative Leadership in the Public Sector
Montgomery Van Wart, Lisa A. Dicke
* The Language of Public Administration: Bureaucracy, Modernity, and Postmodernity
By David John Farmer
* Institutional Culture in Early Modern Society
edited by Anne Goldgar, Robert I. Frost
* The Oxford Handbook of Sociology, Social Theory, and Organization Studies: Contemporary Currents
edited by Paul S. Adler, Paul du Gay, Glenn Morgan, and Michael Reed
* The Global Commons: An Introduction
By Susan J. Buck
* The Black Professoriat: Negotiating a Habitable Space in the Academy
Sandra Jackson, Richard Greggory Johnson
New15txstate (talk) 12:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
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