Talk:Liliane Bettencourt

message: "PARIS (AFP) – France's richest woman, L'Oreal heiress Liliane Bettencourt, has been forced to insist she is of sound mind after she gave more than a billion dollars in gifts to a society photographer." 
Complete article at Yahoo! News AFP: Ageing L'Oreal heiress defends billion-dollar giveaway  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.212.94 (talk) 19:25, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I changed the ref to another article which was more about her than the dead financial advisor. If it doesn't appear to be good, feel free to change it back. --ruby.red.roses 22:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ageing L'Oreal heiress defends billion-dollar giveaway 

message: I received a scam email referencing this page.  It might be worth mentioning something on the page.  Email text follows:
Hello,
I, Liliane authenticate this email. You can read about me on:  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliane_Bettencourt
I write to you because I intend to give to you a portion of my Net-worth, hoping it would be of help to you and others too. Respond for confirmation.
With love,
Liliane Bettencourt
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This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
:In response to the above email, I followed WP:BOLD and added a warning in italics at the top of the page, stating that the emails are not genuine. 173.59.201.71 (talk) 19:17, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And a quick note here, I am not the original contributor of the "scam emails" post above. Please check the edit history. 173.59.201.71 (talk) 14:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

text: This is an encyclopedia, not Snopes. We're not putting warnings in articles.  --NeilN talk to me 14:32, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, however in this case the spam e-mails are using this page as part of their content.  We have the ability to put something to warn those who may be easily conned, but we are not doing it as it does not "technically" fit the article.  We as a community are effectively assisting the con artists further by just ignoring it and stubbornly refusing to acknowledge it.  Yes, this is not Snopes, but people need to realize it is a scam, or even be aware of Snopes in order for that to be relevant.Screech1616 (talk) 12:12, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The easiest was to get this in is to find reliable sources covering the matter. If none exist, that should be an indication that the scam is too obscure to be noted. --NeilN talk to me 12:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

text: I received a scam spam today, again abusing the credibility and reputation of Wikipedia in an attempt to make the scam look more plausible. I think that Wikipedia should have a flagging mechanism to negate the spammers' abuse of Wikipedia. The obvious mechanism would add a warning to the front of the article, similar to the kinds of warnings that get attached to controversial or problematic articles. This is NOT the first time, but the fact that this particular article has been used for such scams for over two years makes it more problematic. The larger risk is that the spamming scammers will start vandalizing the Wikipedia articles to add specific details that will support their scams. Perhaps that is what the mysterious scdam email warning template is for? Anyway, right now we are talking about the possibility of vandalism two years ago, which could make it significantly more difficult to spot. If the warning flag I suggested were added to such articles, even for a a few weeks at a time, I think it would convince the spammers that Wikipedia should not be abused because the attempt to link from Wikipedia would actually warn the suckers "This article is being used for a scam and the spam you received is NOT true." Obviously useful to include a link to the article about the specific kind of scam. (The one I just received is almost certainly a 419 scam.) Shanen (talk) 10:57, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

text: I did not say do nothing. I said, the easiest way to get this in is to find reliable sources covering the matter. Have you done that? --NeilN talk to me 18:08, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In this day and age, with all the stuff going on on teh internetz, How gullible do you have to be to believe that one of the worlds richest women is going to give you lotsa money? .... and is going to confirm it somehow by referring you to a wikipedia page ..... I mean seriously, c'mon people. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 23:19, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

text: No in-depth coverage. Simply reporting databases with user-generated content. --NeilN talk to me 13:39, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hence why they are not in the main article.  However, this is a starting point to finding suitable sources so we can put this argument to bed.  This scam is obviously now significant enough as we keep having to go over it with different contributors, it is only a matter of time before it gets reported more widely.  By starting a list of potential references, we can assess them accordingly. Screech1616 (talk) 13:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

text: As I mentioned on your talk page, it has no reliable sources so it's likely to be put up for deletion. --NeilN talk to me 22:41, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

text: May I suggest you delete these emails, and then forget them? simples. -Roxy the dog™ (Resonate) 15:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scam Emails 

message: I, too, just received the same email today. I have to say, I totally disagree with [[User:NeilN|. I do not think we should just sit by and do nothing. I think by not saying anything at all about the scam you are tacitly aiding the scammers. Surely, a simple note at the beginning of the article is in order. Or, barring that, a link to a separate article about the "Bettencourt Scam" might be doable? Todd Carnes (talk) 17:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not say do nothing. I said, the easiest way to get this in is to find reliable sources covering the matter. Have you done that? --NeilN talk to me 18:08, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In this day and age, with all the stuff going on on teh internetz, How gullible do you have to be to believe that one of the worlds richest women is going to give you lotsa money? .... and is going to confirm it somehow by referring you to a wikipedia page ..... I mean seriously, c'mon people. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 23:19, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

text: No in-depth coverage. Simply reporting databases with user-generated content. --NeilN talk to me 13:39, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hence why they are not in the main article.  However, this is a starting point to finding suitable sources so we can put this argument to bed.  This scam is obviously now significant enough as we keep having to go over it with different contributors, it is only a matter of time before it gets reported more widely.  By starting a list of potential references, we can assess them accordingly. Screech1616 (talk) 13:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Collecting Sources

message: As the Liliane Bettencourt email scam is a common one (based on the amount of users that have tried to edit the warning at the top of the page), I have added a Wikipedia article for it. The addition of the article allows us to add references without cluttering up the Liliane Bettencourt page. In addition, the "For information about email scam, see Liliane Bettencourt email scam." notice at the top indirectly alerts users to the scam, while remaining "encyclopedic" on Wikipedia. IQAndreas (talk) 22:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mentioned on your talk page, it has no reliable sources so it's likely to be put up for deletion. --NeilN talk to me 22:41, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Addition of 'Liliane Bettencourt email scam' article

message: Just to give all a heads up that this scam is still going. I got this on a GoC email address.
I'm  Ali Thierry Kier, to authenticate this email as instructed by mademosielle liliane, i would like you to get to know more about mademoiselle liliane, you can read about about Her Heiress on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliane_Bettencourt 
I write to you because she intend to give and extend the gesture for the purpose of making you her beneficiary with a 10% Donation portion of her treasury Net-worth which she want you to use for a charity and fund raising organization to help contribute to your environment and community. Onbehalf of LBS as authorised by mademoiselle liliane to cede the beneficary donation out as gift to you hoping it would be of help to you and others too in your enviroment and community at large. For further procession Respond for confirmation.
 
My Email: lilianebettencourt_lbf@yahoo.fr
With love,
LBS FONDATION DIRECTOR,
Ali Thierry Kier
There are some additions and changes, but theyr are still referring to this article for legitimacy. 131.137.245.209 (talk) 15:36, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: May I suggest you delete these emails, and then forget them? simples. -Roxy the dog™ (Resonate) 15:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Still Going

message: The lede lists her as the second richest, the Forbes ranking lists her as second richest.  Please verify.  GreaseballNYC (talk) 21:08, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  richest woman or second-richest? 

message: Is it possible to automatically change the net worth to whatever it says here http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/#version:realtime or can it only be done manually --88.111.129.157 (talk) 20:06, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real time net worth 

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