Talk:Committee of Safety (Hawaii)

message: Where did the names of the members come from?  They all don't match the ones mentioned in the Blount Report.
66.215.8.85 16:06, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I question the names of members. Most of those listed are not Hawaiian born, leaving the impression that the committee was made up of recent arrivals. I don't know if the committee was or was not made up mostly of recent arrivals, but I do know the list leaves off one of the most important, Lorrin Thurston, born in Hawai'i. It's also a little bit misleading as these are the folks (with Thurston) who signed the request for US armed forces http://libweb.hawaii.edu/digicoll/annexation/blount/br0501.html but this list obviously does not include everyone who was involved in the action. Does it even include all the leaders? The article needs more clarity. Mahalo. Makana Chai (talk) 01:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: List of members questionable

message: The article says "formally the Citizen's Committee of Public Safety", but the second External Link says "citizens' committee of public safety" once, and everywhere else says "Committee of Public Safety". So I don't think "citizens'" or "Citizen's" was a formal part of the name. Art LaPella 01:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, the Blount Report quotes the letter to Stevens as "Citizens' Committee of Safety" so various names were used. That is why citations are needed to be precise. W Nowicki (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Citizens?

message: Please explain specifically what sentences the POV tag was added for.  Mahalo! --JereKrischel 01:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag

message: This edit. Badagnani (talk) 18:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just reverted it.   Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 12:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please examine 

message: "The Committee of Safety was organized by the Hawaiian League, a group of over 400 businessmen, merchants, and planters." The Blount Report (page 583, ) states, "A committee of safety, consisting of thirteen members, had been formed from a little body of men assembled in W. O. Smith's office."  which would dispute the 400 businessmen, merchants...unless W.O. Smith had a very large office or they were very skinny men.
"As these events were unfolding, American citizens living in Honolulu expressed concern for their safety and property." To whom? Again the Blount Report (page 585) says, "To use the language of Admiral Skerrett, the American troops were ... very improperly located if only intended to protect American citizens in person and property."
"On January 17, 1893 about 1500 members of the Honolulu Rifles, a militia composed of local citizens, occupied government buildings, disarmed the Royal Guard, and declared the Provisional Government of Hawaiʻi." 'Local citizens' does not mean 'naturalized'.  As shown in Members of Committee Section, many whites/anglo-saxons held on to their foreign citizenships. By using the term 'local citizens' it implies general acceptance from the populace.
I find this article to be bias in using only the Morgan Report as reference and not citing the Blount Report which came earlier.--Quneur (talk) 09:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the article needs work. If you have access to this info and can cite it, then please do add in. I think both reports should be cited, as well as any later "authoritative" works, if there are such things. Mahalo. Makana Chai (talk) 17:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, generally a "committee" is a smaller part of a larger group organized for a more specific purpose. So this article needs to more clearly distinguish between the whole "Hawaiian League" which was a broader group that had existed for a while, and the Committee of Safety itself. It is also unclear to me if the "Annexation Club" applied just to the small committee or the whole League. Please do help make the viewpoint more neutral. It can be done without weasel words, just state the facts. W Nowicki (talk) 17:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

text: One more inaccuracy: The second photo caption is wrong; this is the "Executive Council" of the Provisional Government, not the committee! W Nowicki (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Citizens question and please verify sources

message: Many of the links to this article are piped from Hawaiian League. I propose to move this article to that name (leave the resulting redirect to not break any links) and rewrite the first body paragraph to expand including the 1887 role. The Committee of Safety as far as I know only existed for a day or two, while the League has more history that we can cover, filling a current hole in Wikipedia. Much of the article had confused the two anyway. Any objections? W Nowicki (talk) 18:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. Mahalo. Makana Chai (talk) 18:47, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok with me as well. Arjuna (talk) 19:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move 

message: Shouldn't there be a section that discusses how the Hawaiian League and it's actions were controversial and criticized by some individuals?--Samusaran253 (talk) 20:23, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism/controversy section 

message: In International Response, paragraph 2, sentence 1, it claims that there is an above section titled "American Response". There is no section in the article with that name; however, the response by the US Government can be gathered from earlier in the article. Either this sentence needs to be changed, the section needs to be created, or maybe a link to an existing article needs to be introduced. JMtB03 17:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "American Response"