Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 4

message: just go to http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter324.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=24283 and click next after reading until your done. this is the latest naruto manga chp. it claims that the his jutsu bonds him and who ever he chooses which causes the target to feel the same pain and that hidan is invincible and the pole is hidan's usual finishing move wher he thrusts the pole through his chest killing the target to die. the ritual that lasts 30 minutes is the justu that stops the original jutsu.
:Your link doesn't even support what you're saying, and neither does the chapter which you cite. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  i agree with someguy cause i dont ever remember the ritual lasting thirty minutes--216.109.11.202 14:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we maybe nix the link to the illegal fanscan now?Plunge 03:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  theres a upgrade needed in hidan 

message: hey can we change hidan's picture because his headband can be easily mistaken for a grass ninja village headband in that picture also i think thier should be a picture of his ritual jutsu from the manga where he has the skeleton apperance
:It's the only available pic in color. It stays. Anyone who takes the time to check the symbol can tell it's not of the Grass village. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i couldnt it was very confusing and where is thecolor picture from cause if its fan art then i definitly dont think it should stay and by the way why do you think you have the final say on what goes into this article--Zetsuie 13:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have more say than some vandal who can't take a hint after being reverted so many times. The image comes from the picture at the top. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More importantly, the rest of us agree with you. WP:Consensus and whatnot. --tjstrf 20:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: That picture has the same three-barred, not connection lines which don't coorespond to any known village. What's your point? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Rain is four bars. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidan Picture 

message: I just updated the Hidan section a little with new information from Chapter 235. All I need is someone with more experience to help me redirect the links for Asuma and Shikamaru to their respective pages. If anyone could do this, it is much appreciated. - TheProjectAtticus 22:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also told you to pay attention. At least read the section you edit before needlessly repeating the info written in it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Internet: SERIOUS BUSINESS. - Malomeat 23:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: He needs to read Wikipedia:TIISB. - Malomeat 23:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem with that "essay": Wikipedia IS serious business. Or rather, it's not unserious. Basically, if you plan on adding random repetitiveness to the articles, we will remove it and be perfectly justified in doing so, and claiming "but it's the internet, it's not serious!" just marks you as a fool. --tjstrf 00:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  you remind me of <removed link to attack site> - Malomeat 00:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's very nice. Now go away. --tjstrf 00:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some technical help needed 

message: In the recent manga chapter of Naruto (325), there was something seen.  On the last page of the manga chapter where Kakuzu of Akatsuki picks up Hidan's head of Akatsuki, you can see part of his arm with a strange material on it.  It is thought that, like Sasori, he only has certain body parts still functioning.  All of his limbs are theoretically connected to a robotic sort of body.  Like Sasori the rest of his body is made of a different material.  This could explain why he covers himself completely so you can only see his eyes, and why he has such immense strenght.  Also with his anger and rage to randomly attack things it is theorically thought that he was hurt by someone, possibly by Hidan's curse to be damaged so much.
:I applaud your ability to draw such a conclusion from such a small detail, however crystal-ballish it may be. What I must thank you for, however, is bringing this to my attention. I hadn't noticed. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The more interesting speculation imo is the idea that he may be a zombie. His eyes match the hokages that were revived by Orochimaru, with the white pupils on black outer eye. --tjstrf 04:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or that. That doesn't explain the strength, though. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That theory actually has a bit of support to it in his comments about money having value even in hell or whatever. As for the super-strength... revival of a really strong guy? No, wait, I know... he's teh 4th hokag! --tjstrf 04:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *stabs self* Whatever it may be, the next chapter should be interesting. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh snap, he's inspector gadget!  Seriously though, I think we should hold off still on describing his powers overmuch.  We've seen some of what they can do, but we have no explanation for em. Plunge 22:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kakuzu of Akatsuki 

message: Trivia can be defined as information that is interesting without being important. from WP:Trivia. Twice now has the shogi connections been removed from trivia section into the main body of their respective entries. Right now, I fail to see how such information is important for those characters; they don't tell us anything noteworthy about the person. The connection is really only there when the two shogi pieces are mentioned together. Hisha (飛) can mean a number of things on its own and so can Kakugyo (角); in conjunction, however, the shogi references are clear. It's like in English, if you saw a character named Bishop you couldn't make any connections to chess. If, however, this Bishop person has a partner named Rook, then you would be on to something. And as of 325, Hidan and Kakuzu have done nothing connected to shogi - the name things just aren't important when explaining their persona (you wouldn't explain the etomology of a real person's name, because that's not important either). But as the connections are clearly there, they are still interesting and there must be a reason for naming them so. Hence, the fit the trivia description perfectly and I see no reason why the shogi connections shouldn't again be put into trivia section.
Also note that this is not intended to be a discussion solely on these two trivia items. People seem to have taken "too much non-notable trivia" to mean "delete the trivia, dude" when that is simply not the case, non-notable trivia is information that is neither interesting or important, such as the Deidara reference to the Sun Pagoda that I deleted a while ago. I just brought up the Hidan/Kakuzu things because it's what comes to mind right now and they are in pressing need of being changed. Grrblt 06:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Every other article has been "de-triviaized", so why not this? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 06:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why was every other article de-triviaized? Grrblt 06:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. Worked out well with Haku, so it just spread. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 07:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that was my action originally... The main reason was simply that I think trivia sections are ugly. Isn't it relatively standard to include the name meaning as prose in the character description, though? (e.g. Kisame = Demon Shark) --tjstrf 07:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Hidan means something like Flying Step and google translation gives Kakuzu as "Angular Capital". The shogi references are inferred only because they're on the same team (if they hadn't been, it would have been as loose a connection as the one Ru.spider suggested for the Gyoku ring) and they don't explain the full name at all. A comparison with Donquixote Doflamingo from One Piece would be more appropriate; the name Donquixote doesn't really mean anything particular in this case, but it is still a reference to a famous fictional character. It has, quite correctly in my opinion, been marked as trivia. Itachi's "weasels are bad omens" stuff should probably be considered trivia too, as it is likely one of the reasons for his name but it doesn't tell anything about the character (Itachi the ninja is not generally seen as a sign for bad omens). Kisame, Sasori and Orochimaru are different because their names are directly referring to their characters. With Deidara, Zetsu and Tobi I don't really know what their name means so I can't comment there. Grrblt 08:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What to trivia, what not to trivia 

message: I am curious about what the akatsuki want with the tailed demons my friend has a theory why but i want your opinion first. I'll tell you my friends theory after i hear what u have to say.
:We're not here to speculate, but clearly the demons are important to that statue. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 16:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  i thought they said they were collecting all the most powerful things in the naruto universe not exactly what they said of course but something along those lines im guessing for some ulitmate goal i doubt it would be world domination for right now cause it seems like they could already have the means to achieve that--Zetsuie 17:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akatsuki's need for the demons 

message: i believe Orochimaru left not because itachi is stronger than him but more of the fact he is hiding something. I think he left because he has one of the tailed demons in him. Maybe its the 8th tailed demon it said that it might be a snake. (Hence Orochimaru's snake like appearence and mastery of snake jutsu.)and the reason he took the ring with him is because i also believe that the ring can track down the tailed beast the user is meant to find, meaning the Akatsuki was going to find him soon so he lefted and took the ring with him so they couldnt track him. That is what i believe anyway.
:What you believe is speculation, thus we can't include it. The fact remains that he explictly states that Itachi overpowering him was why he left. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Orochimaru left 

message: Where does it say that he's from Kusagakure?
87.245.29.47 21:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a picture of him with the headband in databook 2. (Plus, he's a venus fly-trap!) --tjstrf 21:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/kangarugh22/zetsugrass.jpg Yo. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zetsu's Origin 

message: Frmo Kakuzu's entry: "Like a bishop, Kakuzu is crooked personality-wise, only doing things which can earn him money."  If this is a reference to some japanese concept of the bishop character in shogi, that needs to be more explicit.  As it is, it sounds like the article is saying that all bishops (which in the west mean largely religious leaders) are crooked and corrupt. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Plunge (talk • contribs).
:Did you read the sentence before that? Because it gives a link to what a bishop is, and that meaning carries along to the next sentence. Either way, that sentence seems kind of iffy to me. ~SnapperTo 22:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that there is a link, but still: "Like a bishop, Kakuzu is crooked personality-wise"???  That seems like a pretty bizarre poetic pun, especially since "moves diagonally on a chess board" doesn't necessarily conjure up the meaning "crooked" in the first place (not to mention that Kakuzu hasn't demonstrated that he is especially "crooked" away: crooked about what?  Has he betrayed anyone?  Is he especially more of a criminal than the other Akatsuki?  So we're left with "he's named like the bishop piece, which moves diagonally, which is sort of like something being crooked in space, which is sort of like being a crooked, decietful person, which is often associated with being greedy").  Unless this strange comparison is made anywhere in the manga, I say toss it.  Wikipedia authors are not supposed to be making up bizarre leaps of descriptive logic like that. Either the connection should be an obvious and direct allusion, something widely discussed, or actually mentioned in the manga.  This fits none of those things.  Plunge 22:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is obvious, you just over analyze everything. Crooked like a Bishop means that Kakuzu doesn't always concentrate just on his mission, he gets sidetracked and focuses on his need for more and more money. If you still don't get it Crooked like a Bishop means that he doesn't move in a straight line (meaning he doesn't concentrate on his mission) instead he moves diangley, like a biship does (meaning that he gets sidetracted when on a mission).Sam ov the blue sand 02:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I "get it" but the point is, its making up its own comparison.  That's original research, and doesn't belong in wikipedia.  It would be a problem even if it wasn't such a bizarre comparison, which it is.  Plunge 03:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the reference far too figurative. Neither diagonal movement nor collecting bounties imply crookedness in any way, and even Hidan's "following the straight line of his religion" is stretching it. (Can't Kakuzu's love for money also be viewed as a straight path?) --Pentasyllabic 02:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crooked like a Bishop? 

message: How come Sasori can get his own page, but Itachi can't? --Alexie 18:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone were to make an article about Itachi with some actual content, I'm sure nobody would object at this point. ~SnapperTo 19:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only reason we have a Sasori article is because Sam ov the blue sand was very persistent. I still think it should be here. It's not getting any bigger. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About different Akatsuki member pages 

message: We need a picture of the Akatsuki leader from chap 327. -Count Mall
Ive uploaded a picture of the aka. leader from 327. Can somebody change the size to about the size of Itachi's pic, please -Count Mall
:Done. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leader's face 

message: Do we know for a fact whether the person shown in chap. 327 on the statue is the Akatsuki Leader and not the Unnamed Member?  You never see either of their faces prior to this so the tattoos/piercings could mean it's either one of them.  You can't see the flower (or whatever it is) from the Unnamed Member's hair in the image, but that's not the clearest picture and the flower doesn't necessarily always have to be in the same place.  He/she could be some sort of messenger, like Zetsu, which would explain why he/she can tell Hidan and Kazuku what to do. Matik 19:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Same hairstyle. Unnamed member has flat hair. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unknown member also has that weird flower-thing in his/her hair. The Splendiferous Gegiford 20:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The hair looks flat, not spiked to me. Cherries Jubilee 10:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look harder. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya the hair.also some intersting read here209.158.53.67 22:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That cant be real info on him we dont know that for real Hoshigaki Kisame 00:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chapter 327 translations so far has Hidan stating that the that person is the leader, multiple translators all included this so it should be real. Algid 03:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: sorry, I meant 328 from mangahelpers, they have a page with compiled translations (from different translators), it's at http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=10000.0 Since Hidan seems to be angry because he was called back the logical assumption would be that he was talking about the person on the statue in 327.Algid 23:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The side-text on the last page in 327 does refer to him as "leader" in one translation and "god" in another, it's also from mangahelpers: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=9598.0 And by "that person" I was just referring to the person sitting on the statue. Algid 06:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm pretty sure the "god" is referring to a "god of salvation/rescue", which is to say that Shikamaru's team's "god of rescue" wasn't the arriving back-up, but the Akatsuki leader - it's just a figure of speech, it doesn't mean that the Akatsuki Leader is literally a god. //Frostious 09:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akatsuki Leader or Unnamed Member? 

message: Since we can't be sure if Deidara's scope really is IN his eye socket it shouldn't be mentioned like this, ne? I still believe that this scope is just equipment and not part of his own body. And I am not the only one who thinks like this. --Kayuuko 10:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deidara's left eye 

message: Who was the guy used in the Shapeshifting Technique for Kisame? I don't remember if they gave him a name in the manga or if they didn't, if they did shouldn't he/she be put under Former agents? Sam ov the blue sand 00:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was never named, and a section on him wouldn't be overly useful anyway. ~SnapperTo 00:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Because he did something other than just fight in Itachi's place (killed some Sand ninja guards, made it clear that Sasori literally had sleeper agents, etc). Additionally, he appeared in more than three panels, which can't be said about the other guy. ~SnapperTo 01:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other guy used for Shapeshifting Technique 

message: Why didn't Hiden and Kakuzu just project their image like they did when sealing the Shukaku? Because if they did (or could) project their image for the sealing process they could have killed (or beaten) Ino, Choji, and the rest of the team there.Sam ov the blue sand 02:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They can be in once place or the other, not both. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like they do use astral projection by themselves, from the 329 spoiler: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=10110.0. They also seems to have to be sitting down in the same position Itachi and Kisame was in when they made the clones. Algid 01:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  members not using astro projection 

message: nice add on akatsukis plans for world domination i just wanted to applaud the speed--Zetsuie 16:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akatsuki's plans  

message: I get the first and third steps, but not the second step. I read the manga but I still don't get it. Could someone simplify it so I can actualy understand it.Sam ov the blue sand 00:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a political thing. It requires at least a decent understanding of basic economics. There's no real simpler way to explain it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you saying, I'm stupid or something? I think I've been in school long enough to  understand basics economics, but what I don't understand is the second step of the goal. So don't tell me it's a political thing or try to insinuate that I'm stupid or something, I may be a bad speller, but I'm not dumb.Sam ov the blue sand 01:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not saying you're dumb. I was explaining what is needed to understand it. If you've been in school long enough to take economics, you should understand it. It's quite simple, really. By cornering the market on shinobi labor by charging lower prices than their competitors, Akatsuki will drive their competitors out of business. The shinobi villages can't afford to chage the low prices that Akatsuki would be charging, and thus would lose their business to Akatsuki. With no money to support them, the shinobi villages would diminish and eventually collapse. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankyou that's all I wanted to know, I just didn't understand what "they can convince the smaller countries to hire them over the larger asking prices of the five main villages" meant at first, until you said it had to do with economics. I think that the wording of the sentence should be altered for those that haven't taken an economics class yet. I admit I went alittle overboard with what you said.Sam ov the blue sand 02:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akatsuki's goal 

message: The thing says that Deidara ranked third in the latest character popularity poll: any idea where I can see the most recent poll? I'd appreciate it. Treima 02:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's at the beginning of chapter 292. The Splendiferous Gegiford 14:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deidara and the SJ Popularity Poll 

message: Would someone like to explain why the stuff I wrote about Tobi and speculation on him being  Obito was removed (it was all in my last edit), and is it alright if I put it back? Mutehero 15:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's speculation, so no you can't put it back. We don't speculate on this article. We report what we know. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 15:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tobi Speculation 

message: THAT HAS TO BE TOTAL BS!!! WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT!!! I WANT TO KNOW!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hoshigaki Kisame (talk • contribs) .
:It's in ch329. Calm down. --Pentasyllabic 15:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goal section 

message: What's with all the vandalism lately, it just came out of nowhere. It's flooding in faster and faster every minute. Can something be done to stop this?Sam ov the blue sand 18:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to have slowed down a bit, maybe because all the newguys who were vandalising everything have got their warning about it.Sam ov the blue sand 00:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I think Itachi is playing an important role in Naruto. He is also a complicated characters with lots of mystery. Sasuke's memory shows that he was a nice brother not an emotionless mass murderer. I have a feeling something happened that changed him and made him evil. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kwokie (talk • contribs) .
:There's not enough information at this time about Itachi to make his own article. But I think if you could make an Itachi article with enough information and no speculation on it then I don't think anyone would disagree with you.Sam ov the blue sand 21:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be in favor of an Itachi main article myself. Of all the Akatsuki members he's the one who has received the most face time, and he's important enough to the plot, but the question is: do we have enough information? I am inclined to think not, but if anyone can prove otherwise they are welcome to make the article. Treima 01:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't that what I just said!?Sam ov the blue sand 16:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should we make main article on Itachi?

message: How do we know these are bridge piercings?  And that he has two?  Ive looked at the picture but they could be easily be painted dots and there could easily be at least 3 rows since we can only see so much.  
Also, is there a particular reason info on hair colour and eye colour is gone?  I thought it was quite important and useful considering there are few coloured images of the characters about that are official and it helps a lot.  Considering the first coloured image of Hidan left people fighting over his eye and hair colour due to the limited view of his eyes, that kind of info is useful considering this is an anime/manga article and this is the kind of stuff fans use eitehr for discussion or fan-art.Darkwarriorblake 18:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With the exception of the Leader, every character has a color picture in their section of the article, so it's rather pointless to tell people something that they can see for themselves. And besides, putting what the color was in the article didn't stop people from arguing about it, as was evidenced by Deidara's eye color constantly being changed from blue to cyan to green and the Leader's hair color being changed to blond despite the fact that it is quite obviously not. ~SnapperTo 18:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It wasn't removed because people argued over it; it was removed because eye and hair color can be determined by looking at the given character's picture. ~SnapperTo 00:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's basically useless to have them is what he means. The lack of a minor field keeps people from arguing about it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The leader and other things

message: "Additionally, this member has never spoken."
:Where's the proof in that? Just curious. WikiXan 03:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the manga. No dialogue equals never spoken. Simple assessment. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An unknown person volunteers to fight Might Guy, but Kisame gets to do so. What's the proof that the unknown person wasn't the one who spoke? WikiXan 21:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnamed Member 

message: More than half of the stuff written for Itachi is speculation. Don't say he specializes in genjutsu, for all we know he could be taijutsu specialist. He has shown impressive power in ninjustu through amaterasu, genjutsu through tsukuyomi, taijutsu well he stopped sasuke's chidori with his bare hands, knocked him across the room with one kick. the fact is that he has the sharingan, and since he's in akatsuki he had the opportunity to copy 1000s of jutsus. we don't know what he specializes in, and could be well versed in all 3 jutsu types. and btw I don't see why you removed the omniscient part because his parents were both jonin and yet during the night when sasuke came to spy on their conversation when his dad was yelling at him, only Itachi automatically knew that sasuke was listening to them when he told him to wash up and go to bed, while their parents were quite surprised and didn't realize it. the other time was when sasuke came to rescue naruto from him and Kisame, he knew sasuke was standing behind him as he called him out while Kisame was surprised and hadn't even noticed until Itachi called him out, and Itachi knew he was there, just like the last without even looking at him. he doesn't need his sharingan for this because he's doing it without looking at them. when other ninja do this they at least have an opportunity to look at the direction in which their opponents are like orochimaru when he called naruto and sakura out to fight during the timeskip, but itachi doesn't even look to know what's going on. how much more do I have to say to prove he's omniscient. What I'm saying isn't specution or some weird theory, since I actually have shown proof in the story Noman953
:The problem with your essay is that Itachi has only used taijutsu a couple or more times. I agree with you about the ninjutsu part considering that he has used more than just amaterasu, which by the way isn't a learned trait it's a Kekkai Genkai ability learned through M. Sharingan. I realy don't have a problem with the omniscient part it's just the taijutsu part I don't agree with.Sam ov the blue sand 14:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What you've shown isn't proof, it's conjecture. Most ninja are quite capable of doing the same thing. Itachi's simply very good at it. He's not omnisentient. Saying otherwise is original research. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Omniscience? All ninja have the ability to gather information from their surroundings from minute details. Given Itachi's intelligence and the analytical abilities of his Sharingan, he's simply incredibly good at it. Both your examples are inherently flawed. From likely long experience, Itachi could detect the nature of Sasuke's footfalls as well as logically deduce that he, as the only other person in the house, would be behind the door. As for your other example, he could have easily done the same thing or briefly looked behind him, as it could have been off-screen. The use of the word omniscience is also incorrect, as it implies knowledge of all things, which Itachi does not possess. As for your speech on Itachi's various jutsu skills, he has displayed greater skill in Genjutsu than any other character thus far (simply pointing his finger at an opponent to cast genjutsu, merely looking at Kakashi to trigger his genjutsu, easily reversing Kurenai's Demonic Illusion: Tree Bind Death on her, and obviously, Tsukuyomi), as well as displayed immense skill at Ninjutsu (the enormous fireball his clone creates, Amaterasu, and using seals so quickly that even Kakashi, with his Sharingan, could not see it - and even Itachi admits that Kakashi is very skilled with his Sharingan, yet he could not see Itachi's seal formation). He has shown nothing in comparison in Taijutsu skill other than kicking Sasuke down the hall and fighting against Kakashi in close-quarters combat. Sephiroth BCR 04:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itachi 

message: I have been watching this and though it is true Deidara's Gender is unknown, I think it is safe to say that he's male, though I am glad whoever originally created this noted that it is questionable. However, later in the article, someone keeps changing it to say that Deidara speaks of himself using male pronouns, HOWEVER, it then goes unto say that in the anime he has been given a deep, male voice. He has yet to appear or speak in the anime. Thus, this is not true, and should not be included in the article. Whomever keeps changing it to that, please stop.
:Episode 135, Akatsuki meeting, watch it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deidara's Gender 

message: http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol29.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14365
 --Vehgah 19:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's Hidan. There's no flower-like object in that member's hair. The Splendiferous Gegiford 19:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The object is in the member's hair at the end of chapter 238 as well, so it isn't a redesign. The only characters who look like they got redesigned are Hidan and Kakuzu. The member complaining about not being able to find their own Bijuu is Hidan. The Splendiferous Gegiford 19:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

text: We basically do know it; there's no one else it could be. The panel at the bottom shows the member in full view, and there's still no object in his/her hair. The Splendiferous Gegiford 20:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  perhaps. But I can barley see the top of the characters head. --Vehgah 20:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the silhouettes of the Akatsuki at the end of ch238, there is this one huge (8-9 feet tall) guy behind Kisame and someone else, and none of the members are that big. So either the membership has changed, or Kishimoto didn't plan this far ahead. Either way it goes to show that Akatsuki silhouettes aren't reliable at all. I agree with Vehgah that we should just remove that part since we don't know who spoke. --Pentasyllabic 20:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not that anything really changed, he just redesinged the characters a bit. The Splendiferous Gegiford 21:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown Member has spoken. 

message: Will someone stop this guy? He's adding nonsense to the article (like saying every member is 9 years old). I've already used up my three reverts, and he keeps on adding his blatantly wrong stuff. Treima 02:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just vandalism. Revert, warn, get him blocked. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:3RR doesn't apply to simple vandalism. --tjstrf talk 03:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 67.183.152.236's edits

message: Anyone think we should include which member is in charge of acquiring which biju.
:Noted already. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we alrady know, but we don't know for sure who is in charge of gathering which. In fact, aside from Shukaku, the Neko, and the Sanbi, we don't know any of the others. Got a sneaking suspicion that Itachi's in charge of getting Kyuubi, but speculation is a no-no. Treima 03:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's ever actually stated whether the Nekomata was Hidan or Kakuzu's biju, though I suppose I could have completely overlooked that detail. ~SnapperTo 03:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like it was Hidan's because Kakuzu was really lax about getting it and looked more interested in his bounty for Churiki or whatever his name is, although I'm probably wrong or there's nothing to back me up on it. Treima 03:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biju 

message: It seems like the eyes of the head of the extracting jutsu show how many Biju there already are sealed. After sealing away the Sanbi the 5th eye opened, so they must have extracted one more Biju than there is stated in this article. That's what I think. Do you agree?
Okay, someone just edited it. :) (and I forgot to sign my comment up there)
213.182.109.224 05:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One more Biju 

message: What's with Itachi's arm? He never has it in his sleeve. —↑Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_↓ 02:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This matters why? – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itachi's arm 

message: although someone wrote a invisible note that said not to put speculation about tobi's mask and his identity what i put was not speculation itt was evidence of a examination of the hole on his mask. Ameratsu 23:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was speculation. The Splendiferous Gegiford 23:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you do something like this, then everyone will seem to have a Sharingan. ~SnapperTo 23:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tobi 

message: Shouldn't this be archived I noticed that August to September got archived at 25 discussions. Just a question.Sam ov the blue sand 22:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archives