Talk:Rubaʿi

message: Use of the word "sublime" in reference to Robert Frost's poem seems loaded if not directly POV. It's unnecessary anyways, so I'm just going to remove it. G-Flex 10:54, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rubaiyat (رباعيات) came from the Arabic number Arbaa (أربعة) which means 4.Aziz1005 12:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loaded word? 

message: I think it would be reasonable to delete the text below:
There is  contemporary Rubaiyat is by the Iranian poet SALAH AL-DIN IBN BIN DEEN called The Rubaiyat of SALAH AL-DIN IBN BIN DEEN This Rubaiyat uses a number of patterns ie AABA, AAAA. This Rubaiyat uses erotic images to explore a range of mystical experiences. The use of erotic imagery was  commonly used by Sufis in Sufi poetry. SALAH AL-DIN IBN BIN DEEN is well within this Sufi tradition 
:Thy red flushed lips pouting moon-flower
:Clutch the bee in thy humid bower
:Entangled deep he cries for more
:As thy wines nectar on him shower
:Oh cup bearer bring thy wine don’t refrain
:Up lift   thy porphyry cup that I may drain 
:My lips to thy lips jar
:Lips on cups rim I sip again and   again
:Up turn thy cup cup bearer turns
:Thy wine hotter than Karkhiya burns
:The wine drips fromst thy hole like molten glass
:It rim froths with bubbles in my lips churns
The text above may or may not be truthful in its claims of the Persian poet's existence; in any case the poet and translator are both non-notable as far as I can tell; the poetry, furthermore, is quite bad (at least in English; I don't know about the putative Persian), and the explanatory sentences don't inspire confidence in the writer's clarity of thought. The use was commonly used? Sufis used this technique in Sufi poetry?
Why not delete it all? If we do include it, the passage we quote from the new Rubaiyat should not be three times longer than our quotation from Fitzgerald's/Omar's.
65.213.77.129 (talk) 21:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to delete part of page 

message: Why is there a "Coinage" section in this article?  Clearly, this article is about a form of poetry.  If there happens to be a coin that has the same or similar name, it should have its own article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Section removed.  Hatnote added. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coinage 

message: * Actually article Ruba'i is very poor, wrong and not reliable. Basically Ruba'i belongs to Persia and its metres ( Beher) had been created by a non-Arab poet Abul Hassan Rodeki (some writers add more names) and that was also brought into practice by non-Arab poets. Urdu, (Hindi) poets followed them. Ruba'i (quatrain) has especial metres containing 24 categories (one can say classes or branches too). Ruba'i can only be composed in those especial metres, not any other normal metre, if it is so, that means that is not Ruba'i. Ruba'i is consist of only four lines, its two lines called (Sehr),Stanza. Ruba'i's first and second line must be end in rhyme (example-as behold and cold.), third without rhyme, but within 24 especial metres, that can not be changed, and forth line again in the selected rhyme,but that forth line (misra) contains high, strong and complete and deep meaning, that must be related with above three lines. There should be addressed only one point or subject, not as like ghazals or other forms of the poetry have. As a poet myself, as I have written in my books, and as I have read in few old academic and classic books (that I have in my library).That is the exact description and definition of the Ruba'i in Urdu, Hindi and Persian, I do not know about English Rubaí that in which metres it is composed?. One should and must know that similarly there is qat'aa that also contains four line but it is not composed in especial metres as Ruba'i....Justice007 (talk) 12:39, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  My note about Ruba'i 

message: I have found these to be un-Googleable, so I think it would be useful to, at least, list them here.
Nat (talk) 17:25, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The different rhyme-schemes and the 24 categories 

message: The article currently states:  The sentence is adorned with 4 refs. This can't stand as it is. Normally I would just fix it, but in light of the previous, somewhat testy, discussion, I fear I'll have to make a strong case. The first problem is that the sentence makes 3 claims and it is not immediately clear which should be associated with the 4 refs. So I'm tabulating them below. At the moment I only have 2 of the sources to hand, but will try to look up the others reasonably soon. All 4 are now tabulated.
The verifiable fact is (I believe, and will try to show) that the English rubaiyat stanza is indeed 4 lines riming AAXA ("B" tends to imply that there is a "B" rime forthcoming, which in this case is false). The Persian can be conceptualized in the same way, but more often is conceptualized as consisting of 2 long lines, each with 2 hemistichs, each hemistich equivalent to 1 line of the English version. Thus in English it is always a quatrain with 3 riming lines:
:A
:A
:X
:A
...while in Persian it is more typically thought of as 1 riming couplet, 1 of whose lines also has an internal rime:
:A:A
:X:A
As I said, I'll continue to look at sources, but I wanted to give a shot across the bow in case people are still as worked up about this as they were 5 years ago. Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 22:16, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Note on Elwell-Sutton: I find this a somewhat confused and confusing account, and it seems to be where some of our problems come from. He clearly states that the form consists of 2 couplets. However, he contrasts this with a 4-line poem when, in normal parlance, 2 couplets would be 4 lines. It turns out Elwell-Sutton uses the word "couplet" in (I believe) a quite nonstandard way. Earlier he states: "The unit of any poem is the bait or couplet, divided into two hemistichs (misraʿ) each of the same metrical pattern and length." (Elwell-Sutton, p. 90) So for E-S 1 couplet = 2 hemistichs! Look it up: Hemistich = a half-line. So we cannot quite take Elwell-Sutton at face value: what he calls a "couplet" anyone else would call 1 line (comprising 2 distinct half-lines). Thus he means the same thing as Avery and Heath-Stubbs, but states it in a confusing manner. Phil wink (talk) 23:10, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Elwell-Sutton Again: So it turns out that the germane chapter in The Cambridge History of Iran was written by... Elwell-Sutton; and published in the same year. Strikingly, its terminology is slightly different. Here, he does not use the word "couplet" at all, rather translating bait as "verse" (a better translation, in my opinion, since "verse" is more elastic in meaning). Phil wink (talk) 02:09, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many lines redux 

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