Talk:List of blue plaques

message: A good start to this page - Mr  Submillimeter's format is a good idea and should be applied to the whole list, although obviously there will be a lot of blanks as regards locations, although www.blueplaque.com seems a good source, including for non-LCC/GLC/EH plaques (e.g. H.G. Wells Society's scarlet plaque to the author on Baker Street). With the latter in mind, we perhaps need an additional column in the table to denote issuing authority.
I've also altered the text to reflect the comemoration of non-person-specific events. Nick Cooper 19:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we place non-LCC/GLC/EH plaques on this page or a separate page?  I lean towards placing them on a separate page. Dr. Submillimeter 19:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would rather favour putting them in a separate section on this page for the time being. I would be surprised if we haven't got a number of non-RS/LCC/GLC/EH plaque listed already. A quick check on blueplaque.com shows that in some cases individuals have both RS/LCC/GLC/EH and "other" plaques, while some are only the latter. It may also be the case that the existance now of a non-EH plaque may have a bearing on whether or not an "official" one is created. Nick Cooper 20:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remit 

message: An inline citation to http://www.blueplaque.com produced a "speedy deletion" template.  Does anyone know what the problem is?  I will try inserting the reference again.  Dr. Submillimeter 20:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind.  I must have done something strange when filling in the reference. Dr. Submillimeter 20:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with inline citation to www.blueplaque.com 

message: Congratulations on the effort in populating these lists.
I wonder what your definition of official is? One might argue that the municipal schemes, organised by elected councils are as, or more, official than those now administered and created by non-unelected quango. I am not sure whether it makes sense to separate them, but if they are to be in two lists then one is surely London, English Heritage (and predecessors) and the other is Other schemes. Oosoom Talk to me 15:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nick Cooper used the term "official".  I switched it to "London/English Heritage".  Dr. Submillimeter 15:48, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that was just a first stab at an atlernative to an unweildy "Royal Society of Arts, London County Council, etc. plaques" and seemed valid given the definite line of descent from the RSA to EH via the LCC & GLC, and I thought "Original" would be misleading. That said, the current form seems OK. As regards other plaques, I think including the word "schemes" is misleading, because while there definitely are some (e.g. Bromley & Westminister), in other cases plaques very definitely based on the RSA/LCC/GLC/EH ones are either of unknown origin or are the sole examples erected by a particular organisation. I've just tweaked this to "Other similar plaques" as we need to be clear that they need to emulate the RSA/LCC/GLC/EH ones.  Nick Cooper 16:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the "other" plaque schemes can be moved to a separate page (or separate pages)?  Dr. Submillimeter 16:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Why have separate lists? Of course it makes the validation/referencing much easier, but it is a pure accident of geography whether a plaque is issued by London council, Westminster council or Manchester council. With the exception of some ad-hoc creations, such as the Tolkien Society the majority are from public or local history organisations. There are some people who are named on multiple plaques around the country, as they moved, and it would make some sort of sense to have them adjacent. Oosoom Talk to me 17:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now clear that there are enough examples to have a separate list for the "Others"; it should be fairly simple to cross-reference between the two where there are both EH et al and Other plaques.Nick Cooper 17:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Official?

message: I'm going to add - where known - the appropriate acronym for RSA/LCC/GLC/EH in the "Reference" column. This seems a useful bit of information in dating the plaques. Nick Cooper 16:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  The introductory text already says that the issuing authority is the RSA/LCC/GLC/EH.  Also, the English Heritage website does not explicitly indicate the issuing authority.  The information is not needed.  Moreover, it should not be put in the "reference" column, which is for the footnote to the references.  Dr. Submillimeter 16:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would maintain that - where known - it is useful for dating the plaques, and is noted on www.blueplaque.com where there is an entry. The reference column seemed as good a place as any, given that otherwise there a fair amount of dead space there. Nick Cooper 17:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not indicate the date on which the plaque is erected?  That would be more interesting and more useful than indicating which "official" organization issued the plaque.  In any case, THE REFERENCE COLUMN IS FOR REFERENCES, NOT THE ISSUING ORGANIZATION!  If you want to put this information into the table, create a new column.  (I would encourage using the date on which the plaque was put up rather than the issuing agency.)  Dr. Submillimeter 17:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair enough. I was under the impression that the EH site didn't give the dates, but I see that it does. Nick Cooper 17:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plaque origin 

message: Where did Ser Edwin Landseer Lutyens come from? It must be a mis-typing. It does not exist on Google and wasn't on the original robot list. Oosoom Talk to me 16:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a mis-typing that for some reason is a redirect on WIkipedia. Nick Cooper 17:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I must have miswritten the name.  Please fix it.  Dr. Submillimeter 17:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone else fixed it first.  I rewrote the name so that it contains the full name with the correct spelling.  (The redirect will probably be useful if someone misspells it again.) Dr. Submillimeter 17:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ser Edwin Landseer Lutyens 

message: After we fill in the existing entries on the list, can we stop to discuss how to organize the material better?  The reference column may or may not be necessary, but it looks like a "year issued" and a "notes" coulmn may be useful.  (PLEASE DISCUSS BEFORE DOING ANYTHING FIRST!) Dr. Submillimeter 17:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a "notes" column wouldn't be a good use of space, as in most cases it will be empty. It would probably be best to add notes where appropriate, e.g. I've already noted that the plaque to Lutyens is a joint one (and vice versa), but it seems best to put this detail with the location, rather than risk potential confusion by putting it with the other name. The name column would seem a suitable place to cross-reference between the two lists, but we'd have to agree on a common form. It would probably be better to use an aterisk or other symbol, rather than an unwieldy "see also..." Nick Cooper 17:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Lutyens note is the one that prompted me to start this discussion.  I think I agree that putting the information with the location makes sense.  What about turning the reference column into a "year issued" column?  A note at the top of the table can indicate that all or virtually all of the plaque information is from the English Heritage website.  (The "other" plaques, however, will probably need a reference column, as the source of information for those plaques will probably be heterogeneous.)  Dr. Submillimeter 18:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: I'm going to move this to the "Others" list, as - as I suspected - it's not on the EH site. There seems to be plenty of evidence that there is a plaque, but I haven't been able to find out who was responsible. The Wiki page on Meeks notes that it is actually black. Nick Cooper 18:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Several of the entries are from non-EH plaque schemes.  (Many entries include pictures on the Wikipedia pages.)  They should all be shuffled into the "other" section.  Dr. Submillimeter 18:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Likewise Spike Milligan. It seems the Dead Comics Society have now cheekily styled themselves "Comic Heritage"! Nick Cooper 18:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joe Meek 

message: This one has been bugging me all week. Is this to Baird or to Television? When you look at the actual plaque (), the latter word is given more prominance than you usually see. Nick Cooper 18:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: English Heritage lists it under Baird, and I would interpret it as commemorating Baird.  I suggest listing it under Baird.  Dr. Submillimeter 07:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Logie Baird/22 Frith Street, W1 

message: There is nothing in the notability column for Gandhi. Is there an intention that this column should only state what is on the plaque or EH website (in his case, nothing), or should a summary be created? Something like politician or Indian leader?  Oosoom Talk to me 09:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had been using what was written on the plaques (as stated on the English Heritage website).  We could state that the intention of the Notability column is to indicate what London\English Heritage cites as these individuals' notability and then leave the notability sections blank for Gandhi and Marx, which would be my preference.  However, if other people want, we could also attempt to write small descriptions of Gandhi and Marx based on their Wikipedia articles.  Dr. Submillimeter 11:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should in some way indicate that the notability is not declared by EH (ie. "Not stated"), otherwise other editors may see a blank space and try to research the EH site (as I did) and invent a description (as I nearly did).  Oosoom Talk to me 11:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems appropriate to me.  I still think a text description at the top of the tables would be appropriate, too.  Dr. Submillimeter 11:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I certainly think we should stick to the EH descriptions, and feature them in inverted commas to indicate them as direct quotes from the plaques/site, which would help avoid people "embellishing" the description (which may lead to POV issues). In the case of plaques where there is no description, it would be best to stick to how Wikipedia describes them. Nick Cooper 14:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability column usage 

message: I have today received from English Heritage a list of the blue plaques outside London. This is unpublished, presumably copyright, and also, presumably, original research, so cannot be used as a sole reference for the lists. I have suggested that they add it to their website! For what it is worth, it is here, and may be useful for checking lists. Oosoom Talk to me 21:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for acquiring the list.  Hopefully, we can find web references for these plaques.  (Plaques in Birmingham appear to be easy to confirm using the web.)  Dr. Submillimeter 21:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick glance shows all the Portsmouth and Southampton plaques covered by the Wessex Tourist Board. The Liverpool plaques seem to be all covered here. Nick Cooper 23:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Are these plaques in Bristol issued by English Heritage?  (It does not look that way from the website.)  If not, then they should be in the "Other plaque schemes" list, or they could also be listed on a separate page with a link placed on this page.  Dr. Submillimeter 10:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at this page, it seems the Britsol plaques are a local effort. Nick Cooper 13:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unpublished list from English Heritage 

message: George Orwell says that in the late 1920s he lived in rooms "in the Portobello Road (today, a blue plaque commemorates his residence), where he began writing." -- Presumably worth noting; I have no idea what organization or "scheme" might be relevant. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 01:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[George Orwell]] 

message: A plaque (not a blue one) has been placed on the building of 84, Charing Cross Road commemorating the novel of the same name by Helene Hanff. I have no idea how to add this info to the list though. Katie1971  ( Let's talk!! ) 15:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helene Hanff 

message: Would folks be interested in adding a 'coordinates' column (or appending coordinates to the address column) using . That would then allow all the entries to be exported as a KML file, viewed in Google Earth, etc. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 10:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  coordinates 

message: A further thought: would it be better to have a template for each row, in the manner of, say, ? Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 18:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Templating

message: Shouldn't Vincent Van Gough be listed under "G", not "V"? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vincent Van Gough 

message: Keith Moon needs to be added: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFT2GMAm860 208.120.233.99 (talk) 17:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Keith Moon

message: For more complete lists see:-
over 2000 at http://www.openplaques.org/plaques/all 
or for London http://www.ruddicktours.com/blue-p.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwenchin (talk • contribs) 10:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Complete Lists 

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message: There are two Joe Meek plaques listed, one in Newent, and the other on Holloway Road. The first is attributed to The Heritage Foundation, and the other unknown, even though from the photographs included they are both of an identical black design (with a Telstar image at the top). Digging around, it seems that the Newent one was replaced by an atrtibuted Heritage Foundation blue plaque in 2011. This cached new report suggests that the original black plaque was nothing to do with THF, although it remains clear who was responsible for it. The new plaque can be seen here (second column, fifth one down), with it's curious reference to Holloway ROad, where THF presumably disdain to replace the black plaque there. I will amend the page accordingly. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070624224808/http://www3.westminster.gov.uk/greenplaques/byname.cfm to http://www3.westminster.gov.uk/greenplaques/byname.cfm
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thread_title:  External links modified