Talk:Kiwi (nickname)

message: The Kiwi Polish Info here is inaccurate, but I think I know what they're trying to say.
Roodog2k
:thanks for the improvements kind sir! Papeschr 01:43, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  My pleasure! Roodog2k 22:17, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Also note that Kiwi (shoe polish) is Australian. How about we remove that paragraph, or rephrase it to: "The shoe polish brand "Kiwi" is Australian and has little to do with New Zealand. ? I also agree with the previous message that real Kiwis don't need shoe polish - many of them even run around barefoot all year. -- Yogi de 07:23, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Kiwi (shoe polish) is indeed Australian. It was invented by a Scotsman who lived in Australia and was married to a New Zealander. He called the polish "Kiwi" in homage to his wife. Thus, the polish is named after the people, not the other way round.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.240.61.2 (talk) 05:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the supposed date of invention for Kiwi shoe polish, it would seem likely that the polish was named after the Kiwi bird. Thus I would suggest that the influence of the polish in the adoption of the word Kiwi as a general name for people from New Zealand is worth at least some mention in this article, see also . Ernest the Sheep (talk) 00:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note to remind people that there is a world of difference between "polish" and "Polish". BlueRobe (talk) 00:44, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Polish

message: The pakeha page has recently been expanded to include some information about (White) New Zealanders. Given that this section is practically a stub should this info be transferred/expanded upon in this section? It seems to me that aspects such as New Zealand's culture and culturally significant individuals eg Ernest Rutherford, Peter Jackson should be mentioned. 
Alternatively is this page intended only as a consideration of the origin and use of the term Kiwi? If so this probably ought to be made clear.Colonial from the Middle Island (talk) 11:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centralise/Expand New Zealander Info? 

message: What if a New Zealander owned one of the specific birds; do we say "a Kiwi with a kiwi" if we talk about them collectively? :)  Shiggity (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.240.61.2 (talk) 05:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, but what about one of each? 

message: I was thinking this article could be made much better if wee moved it to New Zealander, so this article could be made comparable to the articles about Welsh people or Israelis, rather than simply focussing on the history of the term. I'd obviously like to sound out people about the idea before I go through the formal business of proposing a move. YeshuaDavid (talk) 17:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea for moving 

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message: I propose to merge this article into New Zealander. They refer to the same thing.
CityOfSails2 (talk) 01:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the nickname. New Zealanders is about the people. There's not much overlap.-gadfium 04:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Kiwi (slur). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 6#Kiwi (slur) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Kiwi (slur)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: '"Kiwi" is the nickname used internationally for people from New Zealand, as well as being a relatively common self-reference.'
The order here is misleading. It implies that the term is primarily used by non-New Zealanders, which is highly dubious.. Just like Aussie, it seems to very primarily be an endonym, and merely an occasional exonym. Prinsgezinde (talk) 06:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It originated as a nickname applied to New Zealanders overseas before it was adopted by Kiwis themselves in the later 20th century. I would say that it is used as much by non-New Zealanders as it is used by New Zealanders (not "occasional"). However I don't think there is much research on the topic. I do support your change. -- Hazhk (talk) 18:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

text: I recently commented elsewhere about this. A google search (far from ideal, I know) showed that by far the greatest use of the term to refer to New Zealanders was on 'xxxx.co.nz' websites. Although it is of course difficult to undertake a meaningful personal survey, if I think about it, use of the term outside NZ seems to be limited. I wonder if its use was begun, and is still largely restricted to, a small travel orientated group, such as backpackers. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrongly presented as an exonym 

message: I recently reverted some changes to the  section. Admittedly I was wrong to describe the changes as "tantamount to vandalism", which wasn't assuming WP:GOODFAITH. I apologise for that. However I do maintain that the article ought to describe the practical usage of the term, not inject an editor's opinion about what the correct usage should be. I think the section is lacking sources which actually discuss the usage of the form Kiwi as opposed to Kiwis. We have examples instead, e.g. Kiwibank changing its slogan. --Hazhk (talk) 16:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Although describing those edits as vandalism was a bit too strong, I agree with the reasons for your reversals. The word kiwi is an English word (of Maori origin but by now assimilated into English like countless other words). For that reason it follows the rules of English which are that the bird plural has no 's' and the person plural has an 's'. The edits by Viltiki813196 are an unfortunate consequence of the recent trend to stress the use of te reo in New Zealand society. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiwi versus Kiwis 

message: Should there be a reference to the common misconception in most of the world, particularly Australia, that the Kiwi nickname refers to the Kiwi Fruit and that we associate the fruit's colours of brown and green with New Zealand? I note that a reference in the "see also" section mentions this but perhaps it should be in the article as well? 203.46.132.214 (talk) 05:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  No reference to common misconception?