Talk:Wii/Archive 6

message: Everyone, please be on the look-out for copy-and-paste moves like with List of Nintendo Wii games.  If you find a c&p move remember to tag it with  to get the page properly merged. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 17:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy-and-paste moves 

message: There's clearly vandalism going on throughout the article. I just made a small change.
Example: 
"However" was changed to "howiiver".
I just noticed it after hearing about the name change. Mitch 18:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 82.34.99.6 (talk • contribs) is the one that did it.  The user replaced all instances of "we" with "wii".  Is there a way to undo this edit while keeping the other good edits? --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put in a Request for Semiprotection until this gets sorted out at E3. Nifboy 18:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You did beat me there. I was adding some history changes to probe the current rate of vandalism. -- ReyBrujo 18:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Alas, I would have requested only for 24 hours, and then a week. Not a full month. -- ReyBrujo 18:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. I honestly don't think the rate of vandalism will slow down significantly between now and E3, though. Nifboy 18:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor me. But it is better to protect for 24 hours to discourage people who comes here following link announcements. I expect this weekend to be hell, but it would be easier to manage than now, with one change per minute (which makes edition impossible as your versions are always clashing with others', and you need to see if no vandalism has been inserted). -- ReyBrujo 18:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I think K1 meant to say "now" semi-protected.  :p --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Doh :( K1Bond007 19:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Vandalism 

message: The name change was initially met with considerable backlash from consumers – as noted in articles on CNN, ABC, and MTV.
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:However, we should first begin a collection of journalism feedback. Those three links are neutral, they just checked forums and boards around and described what was happening. So far, editors of the Gamespy, 1Up, IGN, Gamespot and 4 color rebellion had written their opinions. From them all, I believe the best source is the one from Gamespot, as they have interviewed real game analysts (yes, the ones that usually predict PS3 production costs at USD 900, PSP becoming the best selling handheld console, etc, etc). -- ReyBrujo 04:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: The criticism section stated that both the gamers and press were critics, giving three links for
CNN, ABC, and MTV as references. However, none had expressed an opinion, they just reproduced the general feeling about this. I have removed the links but posted them here for anyone to quickly check. If you think I was wrong, please discuss :) -- ReyBrujo 21:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Press feedback 

message: The question is: why does neither "Wii" nor "Nintendo Wii" find this page, but "Nintendo Revolution" works okay?
:Works for me72.56.10.196 21:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Search? 

message: The official full name of the 'cube has been the "Nintendo GameCube". But, if you look at the various public statements and PR materials, it all mentions "Wii" in isolation. I'm not going to move the page now, but the proper location, and the proper way to refer to the console in this article, would be "Wii", not "Nintendo Wii", i think. Or to to quote Nintendo of America's Public Relation Manager Matt Atwood :
:"There is no Nintendo Wii. It’s just Wii."
So, I'd suggest that the page gets moved to Vii, if no one disagrees. --Codemonkey 21:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be right. Jedi6-(need help?) 22:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I just reverted the move. If anyone has serious objections to "Wii", instead of "Nintendo Wii", he should be able to argue his case here first. Looking at the press release  (I've a press login, not sure if you can read it without one), everything there is "Wii" without the "Nintendo" there too, including the logo. --Codemonkey 00:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or so I did, but someone moved it back again... grumble. I'll move it back again. --Codemonkey 00:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, someone needs to get a new picture of the Wii logo, minus the Nintendo.  I don't ever recall seeing a Wii logo with Nintendo above it anyway.--buckeyes1186 04:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Buckeyes about removing the Nintendo from the Wii logo in the article.  Dionyseus 04:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just mocked up a new logo. (Took the old one, removed Nintendo logo, recentered.)  ih8evilstuff 04:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that is should be Nintendo Wii. if you look at it, it started with the Nintendo Entertainment System, then the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, then the Nintendo 64, then the Nintendo Gamecube (or Gamecube Nintendo in some places), so lets keep it going with Nintendo being in the name.DivineShadow218 08:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW... all the Nintendo consle pages on Wiki all have Nintendo in the title... Every one even the NINTENDO Gamecube, so I think this page should be intitled Nintendo Wii.DivineShadow218 08:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What the hell? I had already uploaded a clean version of Nintendo's official logo for Wii. No need to edit of change anything, it came straight from Nintendo's official press section from their website. Laurent 14:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: they are talking about the name of the consle... the code name was Revolution, but people still called it the Nintendo Revolution. Same thing with the Dolphin... it was a code name... but turned out to be the Gamecube. Just the fact that 'Wii' is a product from Nintendo, I still think the article should be title Nintendo Wii, just like every other nintendo consle page on Wiki. Just read this artile on Punch Jump http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=2361, Everyone is starting to call it the Nintendo Wii.DivineShadow218 09:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: here are some more articles callin it Nintendo Wii, http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2006/4/27-58, http://www.revolutionreport.com/index.php?act=articles&code=read&id=409, http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/27/nintendo-wii-the-revolution-gets-a-real-name/, http://www.cubed3.com/news/4994, http://www.edmontonsun.com/Entertainment/Weekend/2006/04/28/1554796-sun.html, http://www.digitalworldtokyo.com/2006/04/wii_the_revolution_volte_face.php, http://www.fragland.net/news.php?id=13400, http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/703/703669p1.html. How meny more sources do you want that call it the Nintendo Wii?? DivineShadow218 09:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would completely agree with you DivineShadow except for the fact that Nintendo explicitly stated that the console is not Nintendo Wii, but simply Wii.  Nintendo has never done this with any of their other consoles.  Give it some time, if in a few weeks people have overridden Nintendo's high expectations by prefacing Wii with Nintendo, then I agree the article should change its name to the common reference.  However, right now, official Nintendo reports have precedence over any forums or third-party naming conventions (less the article be titled Nintendo Weewee or something like I have seen all over the place). Zebov 09:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I some what agree with you Zebov... they explicedly said no to the Revolution and and the new name being Wii... they did not disclose anything about Nintendo Wii... Just Revolution. DivineShadow218 20:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not "Nintendo Wii", but "Wii". 

message: The purpose of a talk page is to help to improve the contents of the article in question. Questions, challenges, excised text (due to truly egregious confusion or bias, for example), arguments relevant to changing the text, and commentary on the main page are all fair play. Wikipedians generally oppose the use of talk pages just for the purpose of partisan talk about the main subject. Wikipedia is not a soapbox; it's an encyclopedia. In other words, talk about the article, not about the subject. If any discussion about the topic and not the article it will be removed. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies Zebov 09:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please Remember

message: It's hard to give that a fitting title, but my query is this: Because of how the system is named, would it make more sense to refer to it as "The Wii" or just "Wii"? It feels more natural to me to call the system "Wii" rather than add "the" in front of it each time. Is that just a wierd quirk with me and "the Wii" remains accurate or would it be ok to just call the system "Wii"? An example:
Under Confirmed Hardware: Design: "Wii is the smallest stationary console Nintendo has ever manufactured, described by Nintendo as being "about the thickness of three standard DVD cases and only slightly longer"."
While under the heading just below it says under the "Controller" heading: "The Wii controller sets aside the traditional controller seen in other mainstream consoles in an attempt to appeal to a larger audience."
I think there should be some consitency. Thoughts? --Ritz 07:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what Nintendo says, but other articles use "The" (The Playstation, The Xbox, The DS). Incidently, your second example should have a "The" anyway, since it refers to "the "Wii Controller"", not ""The Wii" controller". smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 08:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the The... whould not be removed... we are talking about the consle... you wouldnt say 'Consles controller...' but 'The consles controller...'DivineShadow218 08:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing "the" prefix?

message: Why dont we keep this page locked for a wee so once E3 comes around, people can edit oncemore. DivineShadow218 07:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 24 hours first, check if the vandalism continues, and lock it again if so. That is usually what is done. -- ReyBrujo 12:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locked Page 

message: I just added two analysts opinion on the name of Wii which comes from the GameSpot article (Reference #7 in the Reference list) which supports the view of many people that the name is "stupid," one analyst has even stated that the renaming of Revolution to Wii is a "bad stupid move" for Nintendo and argued that Nintendo should've kept Revolution because it's a "evocative, well-accepted name that people have been using for well over a year." KSweeley 08:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who cares what some noname web critics have to say? Critics have canned all sorts of innovations such as the graphics in Windwaker, the audience for Nintendogs and the extra screen on the DS. I'm more interested in the gameplay than whether it is called wii or bum or whatever. A rose by any other name... Garglebutt / (talk) 14:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added two analysts opinion on the name 

message: This section seems to have gotten very long, and many of the 'facts' are untrue (the syllable "We" is perfectly pronouncable in Japanese as  and  are syllables in Katakana, and the Japanese Wikipedia uses  as an acceptable transliteration), and it reads like a rant ("Many claim that this “stupid” name will be detrimental to Nintendo’s sales"). Most of this needs to go. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 08:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name section 

message: Is it absolutely necessary to have a link to intercourse in the first section of an article about a game console? In fact the whole passage about fad names makes little sense in the article. Needs rewriting if not deletion. --Richmeister 11:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: IGN.com flatly told Nintendo of the dissapproval of the name change in an interview here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ben414 (talk • contribs) .
::So what?  IGN is not the gaming industry.  It's the gaming journalism industry.  There's a difference.  That's like saying Rolling Stone is part of the music industry or Access Hollywood is part of the film industry.  They simply cover the industries, they are not part of them.  Intricately linked?  Yes.  An actual part of?  No.--24.55.245.140 04:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industry Critisism of name change 

message: Should it be called Nintendo Wii, or just Wii? Let's not forget, whatever the Big N called it (N5, Revolution, whatever!), it will forever go down in history as a "Nintendo". NP Chilla 20:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo has intentionally called it Wii, not Nintendo Wii.  Dionyseus 20:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you cant prove that, not yet atleast DivineShadow218 22:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its already been proven, : If you read that they specifically say that it is just Wii, not Nintendo Wii. Jedi6-(need help?) 22:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is an unrliable site just like IGN is with the Specs. DivineShadow218 22:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its an interview with a Nintendo Rep. himself. Also Nintendo has stated it to other websites and their promotional material supports it being Wii. This isn't a rumor, its fact. Jedi6-(need help?) 22:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How can you be so sure.... There have ben 'Reps' before and they were wrong. DivineShadow218 22:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: DivineShadow, when you find proof that it's not called Wii, but rather Nintendo Wii, let us know.  Dionyseus 22:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did... se my post with the hand full of sites. DivineShadow218 22:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the links you gave had any evidence other then the site calling it that. Meanwhile the link I showed has a Nintendo Rep. specifically calling it Wii. Small system sites versus a Nintendo Representive? Its really no contest, the Rep. should be taken as the official source. Jedi6-(need help?) 23:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats what I am saying... you cant prove that its a rep. Read my post about it. DivineShadow218 23:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: so then we should also belive all of SeriousGamers Rep interviews too then???DivineShadow218 00:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying Game Informer is not trustworthy? Ashibaka tock 00:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, And besides... http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,54237/ This is Matt Atwood, The Developer.... he is not a rep. DivineShadow218 00:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read that page closely. Look at what position he's listed as holding on the games linked to. Ashibaka tock 00:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes... no were on that bio page states that he is a Rep from nintendo. He just had his hand in many Muliplatform games. DivineShadow218 01:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the page closely. He is not a developer. Ashibaka tock 02:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did YOU read it CLOSELYDivineShadow218 03:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Matt Atwoods is a public relations manager, in other words he's a rep.  Dionyseus 04:50, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am for keeping it "Wii" but wanted to note that www.nintendowii.com is registered to NoA, whereas www.wii.com is registered to a company in Oregon. Coreycubed 05:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Other other sites have also called him NoA's PR director: . g026r 05:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He is Part of public relations but not of Nintendo, but of capcom. What this means is that if Nintendo has specifically told him the explanation on the name, and since he explained the meaning of it, he would get fired. Now, I have proof that Matt's explanation is just pure speculation. 
*First, he is part of the PR department of Capcom LTD., now was I just living under a rock when Nintendo Bought Capcom, b/c if Capsom isn't part of Nintendo, Matt has no legel rights to say what he said if its true. On that note, Since Capcom is not part of Nintendo, Matt's OPINION on the name is pure speculation from video and text releases from Nintendo. 
*Secondly, IGN did interview with Matt awhile back about the controller, same deal here, PURE SPECULATION and as you can see, he did not get fired from his statements to IGN. 
*Thirdly, why would he risk his job like 10 days before Nintendo would explain the name. 
*Fourthly,HE IS NOT PART AF NINTENDO, NINTENDO ON COMMENTING ABOUT THE NAME REVOLUTION STATED, JUST WII, AS IF PEOPLE MIGHT EXPECT A LONGER NAME.
*Fifthly, THE NINTENDO WII IS A NINTENDO PRODUCT, WHY WOULDN'T NINTENDO WANT THEIR NAME ON THIS NEW CONSOLE WHEN IT WAS CLEARLY ON EVERY OTHER CONSOLE.
*Sixthly, why would nintendo register www.NintendoWii.com if Nintendo Wii wasn't its name. If nintendos site for it is www.NINTENDOWII.com then the article title should be Nintendo Wii. DivineShadow218 10:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: 1: He worked for Capcom once, true. But as far as I know, he has changed jobs, and now works for NoA PR. Do you have any evidence to contrary? All interviews with him in the past few days cite him as working at NoA PR. Are you implying that all these press outlets are lying, or have been hoaxed by mr. Atwood? 2: Why wouldn't Nintendo call it the "Nintendo Wii" in their press release, or other PR materials, but the "Wii"? Just to confuse us? They are very careful to do so with the "Nintendo GameCube", to avoid any ambiguities as to its full, and official name. 3: Please don't use all caps. It reads like someone is shouting, which is generally considered impolite. --Codemonkey 11:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not saying that the Press ie. GameInformer.com is lying, just that thy are unreliable. Game informer is not one of them that I trust, Neather is IGN or Gamespot, or any site under affilation with cnet. I do trust the CNN and Nintendo sites... thats about it. If there is a link to other sites one Nintendo.com to interviews, then yes, I will trust that particular interview. And about the press release... wy dont you show us it.DivineShadow218 14:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We are talking about an interview with an official Nintendo of America PR spokesperson. Not some 'we learned from our inside sources that...' type rumour. For not just one, but multiple news outlets, getting this man's job incorect, well, how can you brush that evidence off as 'they are simply unerliable'? I am afraid that in these cases, especially on such simple statements as saying whether or not the person who is interviewed is speaking for Nintendo, they are reliable. The press release also consistently refers to the console as "Wii", rather than "Nintendo Wii". Since you asked, you can find it here , but I have a press login, and I don't know if you can read it without one. It's largely similar to the text on their Wii promo site  though, which also consistently uses "Wii", rather than "Nintendo Wii". The press release is useful however to demonstrate that, for names that do include the word "Nintendo", they are very careful to use the full name every time to avoid ambiguities when referring to the console, i.e. they consistently use "Nintendo GameCube" in this press release, and in other PR materials, but they consistently use "Wii". Honestly, I'm a bit baffled that people are arguing this, and are even dismissing interviews with Nintendo spokespeople as unreliable on Nintendo. --Codemonkey 15:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also remember, just because Nintendo put their name on consoles in the past doesn't mean they always will. Look at the PlayStation, its official name is PlayStation not Sony PlayStation.Jedi6-(need help?) 16:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: On point 6.: Because wii.com is already registered.  It's the same as when movie studios use http://www.filmname-thefilm.com or some other variant for their movie sites.  By this argument, the entry for The Omen (2006 film) would be moved to Heed the Omen because that's what the official studio website uses as a domain name. g026r 16:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine... Well I resever my right to disbelive in your so called Relaiable sites say. I have my one relaiable sites. We shall see in 10 days and if in the press confrence they say The Nintendo Wii... or another name if Wii is just a joke. Then it surly will be changed quickly. DivineShadow218 18:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: DivineShadow, I suggest you calm down a little bit.  Most of the people that have been talking to you have been very reasonable in taking your position into account.  Whether you are correct or they are will be certain in short time and I would hate for either side to lose respect over such a simple issue.  Perhaps Nintendo has named it Nintendo Wii but have left off "Nintendo" in their press releases and "Matt" has been mis-represented.  However, the burden of proof lies on proving the press releases were missing "Nintendo" and Matt is not a Nintendo rep, not the other way around.  No one here is going to argue against you if indeed it is discovered that Nintendo's official name for the system is Nintendo Wii.  However, it is up to you as to how people perceive you if that were the case: a stubborn instigator or a concerned editor.  I don't mean any offense by this comment, so please don't take it that way; I just want you to be respected through this issue, no matter what the results. Zebov 04:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just stating my case thats all. I will wait a mear 9 days. I did not chage that article to my liking, so yes I ame conserd as well as trying to find a common ground, Unlike the unsigned post below me.DivineShadow218 09:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wii]] or Nintendo Wii? 

message: I think it should be noted that there is plausible rumor that the rename to Wii could be a marketing ploy by Nintendo and may not actually be the real name.
http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=325  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.164.227.240 (talk • contribs) April 29.
::That rumor isn't plausible at all.  Read this: 
and also read the IGN article where another Nintendo rep pretty much says you'll have to live with the new name whether you like it or not .  Dionyseus 00:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious about your reversion of the inclusion of the Snark Hunting blog speculation.  It's clear you don't believe the rumor is credible, but there are those who disagree with you.  I've heard many such rumors myself already.  I would say the speculation is notable enough that as long as we provide an outside source, it's worth including.  For instance, the failure to register the name as a trademark, the lack of a wii.nintendo.com domain, the failure of Nintendo to get their hands on certain critical wii domain names...  I mean, I personally don't believe it's a hoax, because in my opinion, Nintendo really is dumb enough to do this for real.  But I can definitely see how people might think so.  I'm all for including (sourced, of course) a note on the rumors about the name.  Kasreyn 08:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It's interesting that although Nintendo doesn't have any trademarks for Wii, the logo is clearly marked "TM". smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 12:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to register it to put "TM" next to the name. The "TM" just indicates that you're claiming the name as a trademark, kind of like how you can use the copyright symbol to claim copyright even if you haven't registered it. You'd use ® to indicate a registered trademark. - furrykef (Talk at me) 01:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Rumors 

message: And please, stop adding sentences about urine... it isn't something this is relevant or needs to be pointed out (in fact, it's vulgar for its own sake). I think it would be more appropriate to state that the criticism is that Nintendo is giving their console a "childish" or "ridiculous" name, rather than one that is homophonous with common slang for urine. You don't need to defile a page about a videogame console by linking it to a page about a bodily function. 
I beg to differ. If Nintendo actually launches a multi-million dollar product with a name associated with urine in the english language, that fact certainly merits inclusion this encyclopedia -- if only because the decision deviates so dramatically from prevailing marketing wisdom. A year from now, when we know whether the Wii was a success or a flop, the different connotations of its unusual name, and the role that played in marketing the system, will be very relevant. Just the mention or urine in no way "defiles" the page, and relevant information shouldn't be tossed out just because some users find it distasteful.--Lee Bailey 01:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it is definitely a very interesting marketing decision. However, the observation should be attributed to a notable source.--Eloquence* 01:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Certainly, Eloquence. Of course, I don't have one at this exact moment, I just felt inclined to argue against the (silly) notion that properly cited NPOV additions need to be held to a higher standard of relevance simply because they refer to bodilly functions. Although it's only a matter of time before respectable gaming publications start to remark on this, IMHO. Lee Bailey 02:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. However, there is no need to wikify urine, penis or whatever it means in slang, as the user is not likely to click on those terms (wikify only according to context). -- ReyBrujo 06:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: See wikt:wee for connotations. It's absolutely legitimate to include these, especially if all the positive connotations are listed.--Eloquence* 14:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, wikt:wii means fire in the Gamilaraay language. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 15:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's certainly started one here on the intraweb. Keep suggesting that Nintendo picked a "childish" or "ridiculous" name, then follow up by drawing childish and ridiculous connections, and you've pretty much made yourself look as childish and ridiculous as possible. There is no need to push it any further. (Momus 16:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I have stated, there is no need for this "childish" connection. It adds nothing to the article, and only ends with flamewars from both sides of the pond. Havok (T/C) 08:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we'll see how the name is addressed by the media and public in the next month or two, but from the look of PC Format's Blog I think the name will be noticed and laughed at notably in Britain! Whistler 19:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: UK is a hostile place for Nintendo. Their consoles had never really gone extremely well. So, it is possible that even with a cool name, Nintendo would be hard pressed selling there, as in US. -- ReyBrujo 20:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Vulgar" Connotations of Wii 

message: I am referring to:
:the console's controller can detect its exact location and orientation in 3D space
This is certainly how the console is advertised, but many have expressed skepticism over its implementation.  "Exact" location seems like an endorsement of the view that the controller works exactly as advertised, which to me requires some sort of sourcing.  Wikipedia isn't here to be an unpaid advertising arm of the Nintendo company, no matter how wonderful their games are.  Kasreyn 03:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it should say "approximate" instead of "exact"?  Dionyseus 04:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or drop it altogether in favor of just "its location." Coreycubed 05:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the console hasn't been demonstrated publicly yet, there's simply no valid reason to doubt Nintendo's claim. There's no need for citation, when the only available citation at the moment is Nintendo's advertising. Druff 06:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced Nintendo claims presented as fact 

message: the IPA transcription is erroneously enclosed in both square brackets and slashes - it should be either one or the other, not both. Square brackets indicate pure phonetic transcription, slashes indicate phonological transcription. I reccomend removing the square brackets, for the simple reason that the ii in wii will probably be pronounced as [ii] not [i:] in at least one territory (Japan). A phonological transcription of /i:/ would cover both of those. --Krsont 06:50, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad. I know nothing about IPA, I just copied the IPA format from the Wikipedia article. I didn't know the square brackets symbolised anything. Wow, you learn something new every day. :P --Mvent2 07:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has a template for IPA information. See :Template:IPA and update it accordingly (or I would do it, and know that I know nothing about it ;)). -- ReyBrujo 19:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed with proper IPA Template. --Shadow demon 23:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA transcription 

message: This article failed the GA nomination because there is currently and NPOV dispute going on. Tarret 13:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: Perhaps it should be noted that Wii is a good example of a Meme. It's almost exactly like the "All your base" phenomenon of 2001 and 2002. The very concept has spread across the Internet like wildfire. There isn't a single gaming forum that isn't talking about it. Wolf ODonnell 14:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii as an example of a meme 

message: User User:85.225.5.222 wiped the talk page and replaced it with the following text:
REVOLUTION WAS THE BEST SYSTEM EVER. NINTENDO RUINED IT BY RENAMING IT WII. BUY A PS3 INSTEAD. 
I reverted it, obviously.Mitch 15:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed and as a result, my comment was deleted. Thank you for reverting it though. Wolf ODonnell 15:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk Page Vandalism

message: I've removed the POV tag since there is no feedback here as to how the article lacks POV.
I wish people would stop bitching about the name. This is an encyclopedia; a brief comment on how the name change caused some controversy in the media when it was first announced is about all the air play it deserves. Has anyone seriously changed their mind about the merits of the console due to its name? Personally I was a little taken aback by the name for about 30 seconds and then I was intrigued about Nintendo's explanation of what the term represented and what that means for the intended audience for the console. Garglebutt / (talk) 15:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article doesn't seem to violate POV, though I think its far from being a good article Jedi6-(need help?) 16:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag 

message: I think there needs to be more to the name section. The views of the populous are central to the subject. How about two sub-topics under the name section.  "Arguments for the name Wii" and "Arguments against the name Wii"  What do you think?J.L.Main
Sounds good to me.:MindWraith
I'm a unregistered user and can't edit so i'll put a request here. All i simply want is for something to be mentioned on how contraversial the name change was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.214.17.233 (talk • contribs) .
:The article is not protected anymore, only from moving. A controversy section is planned, in fact I have already posted one which was deleted (see above in this same page). -- ReyBrujo 21:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View, not everyone hated the name. Jedi6-(need help?) 21:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also remember to avoid statements that age quickly. Their may be a controversy today but we don't know what the future holds. Jedi6-(need help?) 21:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, though there may be critics today, in the coming weeks the critics may fade.  I believe a simple sentence of something like "There was initial controversy over the official name," should suffice, especially if you think into the near future.Zebov 00:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Many fans believe that Nintendo is planning to change the name of the console again at E3 but this rumor was debunked by Nintendo .
Rumors should be put in the rumors section. Zebov 00:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you sure it is a rumour? The question was answered by Nintendo of America's Public Relations Manager Matt Atwood. I would believe that is enough to use that as confirmation and not just rumour. -- ReyBrujo 01:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant, if people comes to read if the name is final or not, that paragraph, confirmed by Mr. Atwood, should be enough evidence to probe it is the final name of the console. The rumour section isn't really suitable for this paragraph. -- ReyBrujo 01:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it back since it is a debunking of a rumor, not a rumor itself. If it wasn't there people would keep adding rumors about the name being changed. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Just add it back but make sure to keep it short. We don't need a huge list or article about euphemism of Wii. :-) Jedi6-(need help?) 03:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the current form of the article (circa time of post) is perfect. A few variations are named in different languages, and the wiki link to 'wee' covers most of the English-specific variations. If people want to know why there's so much contraversy, one click on that link will give them a full debriefing. gspawn 14:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with this -- I just cleaned up the article because somebody wrote that wee meant defecating, feces and etc.  Not only is this patently not true (and bizarre), it has no place here.  Everybody just needs to agree that yes, Wii sounds like the childish term wee--the article can admit that, include a link to wee and move on to talk about other aspects of the name.  It's discouraging that everybody is getting caught up over this wee little problem!    dojotony 17:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The vandalism should have been reverted, the reference to urine should not. If we explicitly mention all meanings, except for the one which is causing most of the controversy, we are violating the neutral point of view policy and "Wikipedia is not censored". The "wee" connotation has clearly been commented on in multiple notable sources now, including Forbes, which had an "Eat, Sleep and Wii" joke (see cited source), so it is perfectly legitimate to point this out. Whether or not these jokes are "childish" is beside the point. However, in the interest of NPOV, it would be fair to include a response from Nintendo. I seem to recall a remark from someone who said that "you wouldn't think of wee every time you use the pronoun", however, I'm not sure if that was a Nintendo rep. (As a comment, one should note that "we" is neither a noun nor a verb, so it does not lend itself to be used in the same contexts where "Wii" can be, which can be treated as both a noun and a verb.)--Eloquence* 15:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; while I'm not massively fond of having a link to urine in the article, it is a valid statement, and people from other countries or who may not have Commonwealth English as a first language may not get what we are trying to imply without a concrete statement. Plus, Eloquence's phrasing is very 'eloquent'. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 15:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Concurred--the only thing I'd change is that wee's connotation is not limited to British English; it's the same in American English. dojotony 18:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated it accordingly. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 16:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: According to Kotaku, Nintendo is gauging the response to the name revelation. This is by no means confirmed, but it is something interesting if it turns true. 
:Of course they are gauging the reaction, the question is whether they do anything in response. Since it isn't confirmed it shouldn't be added to the article. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo possibly gauging public reaction 

message: The table that is usually at the side is gone, and the top of the page is a mess [with all the code]. Don't know how to fix that so I'm putting a little tab here. (PowerGamer6 05:04, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You revert :) Zebov 05:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick thing