Talk:List of automobile manufacturers

message: The term "Motor Brands" is more widely known as a brand of muscle car t-shirts (search Google under "motor brands.") It is also a US Trademark name of a corporation. This page should not be re-directed since it is less used to describe  a list of automobile manufacturers and is more notable as a certain brand of t-shirts. --frank stein 18:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Motor Brands"

message: Removed the category "2005 cars" at the top of the list, since it had no following information and isn't really part of the "list of automobile manufacturers". --SatyrTN 19:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "2005 cars"

message: I can't get to the article, it keeps redirecting to the automotive industry. --Black DS (talk) 02:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirected

message: I notice that the page was moved from "List of automobiles" to "Car manufacturers". While the old title wasn't great, I'm not too fond of the new one either. This is still a list, rather than an article about car manufactuers, and the list just concerns itself with motorcar/automobile makers, not makers of rail cars or other types of cars... unless there are plans to add that here? -- Infrogmation 15:54, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Page moved

message: What do people think about moving the list of international car manufacturers to the top ahead of the country-specific list?  The international manufacturers make up the largest, most well-known companies and probably most useful articles. akaDruid 10:47, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorder

message: Does anyone know if the Range Rover has ever been marketed as a brand, separate to the Land Rover brand, rather than a product of the Land Rover brand? I don't think it has but I'm no expert on the matter. If it hasn't then it would seem to me that it doesn't belong in this article. 999 09:52, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't a brand. Nodody calls it the Land Rover Range or Land Rover Range Rover, not even Land Rover themselves, but there is a LR badge at the back. Plans are under way, though, to market Range as a separate brand, should the proposed Range Rover Sport model get off the ground. --Pc13 09:14, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe the manufacturers use the description Range Rover by Land Rover Andy G 18:19, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Range Rover 

message: Does anyone know anything about the Laforza?  It seems they produced Pininfarina-bodied Ferrari-badged SUVs.  I suspect they're Italian, but I'm not sure.  Googling for Laforza doesn't really bring anything up, but I did see one on eBay recently.
Any ideas?
--Milkmandan 00:44, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)
: The Laforza was built by italian manufacturer Rayton Fissore, powered by BMW straight six engines. It was imported into the USA by California-based Laforza Engineering, with Mustang V8 power. Car production was phased out during the early 90s, I believe. --Pc13 14:21, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laforza? 

message: For your information, there is currently an Article for deletion vote regarding the Fisker Coachbuild car manufacturer here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fisker. You may wish to comment on this. --Edcolins 09:00, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fisker Coachbuild 

message: This page seems to be the similar to List of cars.  Possible to merge the two?
Howard81 19:49, 24 Nov 2005 (GMT)
I think the original idea of List of cars was to produce a list of models as well as manufacturers. This is clearly a hopeless task as the list would be enormous.  Lists of models would be much better placed with each manufacturer's entry, as is often but not always done.  Malcolma 22:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate?

message: 1. I have deleted "Electrobat" from the list as it was the name of the vehicle manufactured by the Electric Carriage and Wagon Co.  It seems the discussion here has ruled that this is list of manufacturers and not vehicle names.
2. I have changed the name of "Riker Electric" to "Riker Motor Vehicle."  Andrew L. Riker started "Riker Electric Motor Co." in 1898 to build electric motors, not cars.  He formed "Riker Motor Vehicle Co." in 1898 to manufacture electric cars.
Thanks --RedJ 17 23:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electrobat and Riker 

message: There still seems to be a lot of reverting going on about Mini, MINI and BMW.  Some of that is caused by the odd comments at the top of this talk page.
But before anyone changes it again, please read the articles entitled Mini and BMW MINI - and feel free to verify what they say by reading the copious references in the first of those two articles.  Now:
* The 'classic' Mini (1959 to 2000) is a kind of car - but it was NEVER the name of a manufacturer - no more than a Ford Mustang is a manufacturer.  They were made by Austin, Morris, BMC, Leyland, Rover, Authi, Innocenti and a bunch of other manufacturers - but there was NEVER a manufacturer or even a factory called 'Mini' - so please stop putting that into this "List of automobile manufacturers".
* The 'modern' MINI (2001-present, always written in CAPITAL LETTERS to distinguish it from the classic Mini) is most definitely both a manufacturer and a kind of car.  MINI (the manufacturer) are 100% owned by BMW but operated as a separate company with their own dealerships (at least in the USA) and a factory that makes nothing but their own cars.  Hence 'BMW MINI', or 'MINI (BMW)' - a manufacturer who belongs on this list.
* The one and only MINI factory is located in Great Britain (in Oxford) - but they are 100% owned by a German parent company.  Does that make them a British manufacturer or a German manufacturer?   I don't know.  I would say British - but if you buy a car from them, the first letter on the VIN tag will be a 'W' - which is Germany - not 'S' which would be British.  Go figure.
So - please do not put Mini into this list - or erroneously confuse MINI with Mini.  Please do not remove MINI.  Please feel free to argue about whether it counts as German or British. SteveBaker 13:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mini and MINI and BMW 

message: Skoda aren't really entry level any more, so I have changed them to "mainstream" Duke toaster 09:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that was a mistake I must have made. You're right they are mainstream. Regards, Signaturebrendel 21:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skoda? Entry level? 

message: Thanks to whoever that updated this article as of recently. People, most likely Americans are flaming over the intention that Ford is number one and Toyota is number three. People need to look at the facts and reality and accept it and move on. There should be less time for America great, largest, forever at top mentality. It was POV before, but now it's fact based. Hooray! Thanks 168.253.10.75 05:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the changes improve the article a great deal! But the former table I created was not POV. I did not mention Ford as the No. 2 based on nationalistic reasons. The reason Ford was No. 2 in the old table was becuase it was based on 2004 data! The update is definitely an improvement but I just want to make it clear that the previous version was not US-centric POV. The only mistake was to list Lincoln as near-luxury- Lincoln is obviously a luxo brand, the TC which has been the best selling model costs over $42k, the average base MSRP if over $38k for this model year (just compare the Lincoln line-up to that of say, Audi), and Lincoln doesn't even sell cars as cheap as the Audi A4, BMW 2-Series, or MB B-Class. Regards, Signaturebrendel 05:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Thank you to whoever

message: Where are all of the major US car companies? Mrld 19:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are only two, well 2 1/2. GM, Ford and the Chrysler branch of Damiler-Chrysler are all among the world's largest automakers and are listed in the very first section, just below the index. SignaturebrendelNow under review! 16:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major US Companies 

message: I find it odd that Porsche is NO WHERE to be found... how did this happen ?? Can someone PLEASE FIX ??
:Porsche is not one of the world's largest automakers and thus is listed according to its national origin. Porsche is listed under Germany. Regards, SignaturebrendelNow under review! 16:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WOW Who did Porsche Upset ? 

message: "Note!: Renault now owns controlling interest in Nissan Motors, And Ford now owns controling interest in Mazda. The above tables dont reflect this but this would make Ford, Mazda the #2 manufacturer and Nissan Renault would displace DamlerChrysler. http://www.autozine.org/Manufacturer/France.htm"
This more acuratly displays current stats.
68.224.14.81 06:25, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  added note 

message: Renault describe their relationship with Nissan as an alliance.  Nissan is not a subsidiary of Renault.  Indeed Nissan have a 15% stake in Renault.  See the Renault website page on the subject. Renault website -- de Facto (talk). 14:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renault - Nissan relationship 

message: Wrightspeed and Teslamotors both have prototypes and have not created production vehicles yet. A manufacturer creates production vehicles, and when these companies start producing their prototypes and selling them I will gladly add them back to the list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.182.15.218 (talk) 20:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Wrightspeed and Teslamotors from minor car manufacturers 

message: Like before I took Tesla motors off of the list because they are not manufacturing cars yet. They are a company with a prototype and pre orders who plan on begining production soon. But until that production happens they cannot be labeled a manufacturer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajgilbertson (talk • contribs) 18:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Teslamotors 

message: Is this a list of manufacturers only or is this a list of marques? Some comments above regarding the removal of the likes of Merkur, Mercury, Edsel, etc. lead me to believe that this is a list of marques. If that's going to be the case, the title of the article should reflect that. --Sable232 20:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mmmm... I haven't even noticed that. The list commonly states the manufacturer (e.g. Ford Motor Company) and then lists the marques belonging to that manufacturer (e.g. Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover, etc...). So, I guess either list of marques or list of manufacturers would be accurate. Regards, Signaturebrendel 20:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think perhaps it would be a good idea to have separate pages for the separate topics.  I personally would call "Ford Motor Company" a manufacturer, whereas I would call "Ford" a marque or a brand or something like that.  This list appears to be overwhelmingly more about marques than manufacturers in that sense.  Maybe someone should separate the two lists, if people can agree on this.  If I knew absolutely nothing about car makes and I wanted to refer to an encyclopedia to find out more, I would be seriously confused if I saw both "Ford" and "Ford Motor Company" in the same list. --CBecker 22:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manufacturers or marques? 

message: The column in the table showing main markets is silly.  Aston Martin is "global" but Volvo is "Europe/North America" ??  Makes no sense.    You are much more likely to see a Volvo in China or Taiwan or Australia  than you are to see an Aston Martin in those places" .   Furthermore, although Europe and North America are the largest markets for just about everything,  I do not think that the percentage of Aston Martin sales outside those two markets is any larger than the percentage of Volvo sales.  Eregli bob 01:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main markets ? 

message: Renault-Nissan is one company so it must be on list as 4th world car company like in every normal economic magazine accept wikipedia! Ceterum censeo! Big error Number 1.! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.172.116.210 (talk) 10:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renault-Nissan 

message: Big error number 2. Skoda and Seat are entery level manufactures and Fiat is main stream, Fiat Punto are much more expensive than Seat Ibiza and Skoda Fabia simply because they use defunct ancient Volkswagen platforms and motors and have cheaper interiors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.172.116.210 (talk) 10:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skoda, Seat and Fiat 

message: It looks to me like this page is obsolete. There already is a much more complete list at List of cars (as already mentioned earlier on this page). Compare for instance the list of Dutch manufaturers on this page (only Spyker...) with List of Western European cars#Netherlands. Mark in wiki (talk) 12:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obsolete 

message: If, Mitsubishi Motors Corporation is a multinational automaker headquartered in Minato, Tokyo. ¿Why is in Indian section?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.106.34.128 (talk) 03:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mitsubishi Motors 

message: I've been through the Wikilinks of the Argentine section, corrected one, added a couple. I've included changing some links to replicate the 'es' entries in the hope someone else will translate them across. I hope someone with local knowledge will pick up whether the listing "IAMA" is actually "IAME" (Argentina instead of Estado). Estado seems the correct option if so. L-Bit (talk) 05:07, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argentina Section 

message: There is a discussion at WT:WikiProject Automobiles regarding the criteria for this list.  Dennis Brown - 2¢ 16:27, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: The list has become an unsourced mess.  I've modified the criteria and will start trimming.  I left a message at WikiProject Automobiles with no objection.  As notability is required to have an article on wikipedia, the same is true to be included in the list, so like most quality lists, I expect to remove all the red links.  Red links are fine for articles, but not taking up a large chunk of a list as it doesn't help the reader who is looking for articles not just raw data.  Dennis Brown - 2¢ 12:41, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria 

message: For purposes of inclusion in this list, are racing car builders and aftermarket upfitters applicable, or should it be strictly for original manufacturers of road-going production automobiles? --Sable232 (talk) 22:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion 

message: Troll from Norway missing on your list. Have a nice weekend:) 89.8.222.8 (talk) 10:46, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Troll from Norway 

message: There are 3 Wiki articles about car manufacturers divided by country. There's this one, then there's List of current automobile manufacturers by country, and then there's List of car brands. Maybe we can merge these 3 into 1? Michieliosios (talk) 10:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion to merge