Wikipedia talk:Lyrics and poetry

message: There are plenty of web sites that provide song lyrics, ignoring copyright . Is it acceptable to link to them? Cdyson37 | (Talk) 12:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What says you cant is here: WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided; it's number #5 in the list at the moment. -- Mikeblas 14:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: What makes me sure is that the site has reproduced the lyrics, in whole, for the song. It doesn't acknowledge the author or the copyright holder's rights, or include notice of a waiver of those rights. Fair use doesn't attach, as the page in question doesn't include any critical anaylsis, education analysis, translation, or so on. There's absolutely zero value-add. -- Mikeblas 14:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link to lyrics 

message: Hi, Since most of the discussion here seems to be a few years old I thought I would give an update. There are now copyright compliant lyric sites. There is a lyric aggregator (LyricFind) that deals with the record labels, amassed the licensing then tracks, reports, and pays royalties to those publishers on a song-by-song and territory-by-territory basis. You can read more on their "About us" page Here and Here is a recent news article about getting worldwide lyric rights. In a nutshell this is how it works. The Right's Holder give Lyricfind the lyrics and permission to distribute their works LF tracks and pays the Right's Holder. LF has 2 ways that they distributes the lyrics. 1. by powering the legal lyrics for other lyric sites and 2. having their own mobile apps. NOTE the Rights Holder still maintains control of their lyrics. As an example if a Rights Holder gave LF their lyrics then a year later discover a spelling error ie "There" instead of "Their"  the Rights Holder lets LF know of a change and LF makes the change. Since all the sites powered by LF and all the mobile apps pull their lyric data from the LF database the change to the lyrics happen automatically and across all platforms at the same time. I found 2 sites that are powered by LF  http://www.lyricsnmusic.com/ and  http://www.lyricsty.com/ I'm sure there are more. These sites now meet the "What can normally be linked"[] and Official links WP:ELOFFICIAL  My thought is that on a songs article page we should link to a copyright compliant lyric webpage and to the Official Bands website.  Bstark247(talk)
User:Wikipedian Penguin had a concern about sites powered by LyricFind that still allows users to upload lyrics so I thought I would address it -  User generated lyrics are meant for Indie Bands and Bands that LyricsFind does not have deals with their record companies. Here is an example of a user generated lyric page Link if you look at the bottom of the lyrics you will see "Powered By LYRICSnMUSIC" this means the lyrics are not from the LyricFind Data Base. However most of the lyric pages are powered by LyricFind. Here is an example of a page powered by LyricFind link at the bottom of these lyrics you will see the credits and the link to LyricFind that means the lyrics are coming from the LyricFind Data Base. This allows Lyrics to be displayed by both large and small bands. I think it's important to only link to lyric pages that are powered by LyricFind, then you are sure it's 100% copyright compliant.  Bstark247 (talk) 01:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Comparing the credits for this page and this, both of which are for the same song, one shows incorrect credits, while the other does not. The reliability of the site is questioned. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ]  18:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Oops, this is the one with the wrong writing attribution. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ]  20:04, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Nope, the other lists Riesterer, Frederick / Guetta, David / Rowland Kelendria / Nervo Miriam / Nervo Olivia. I'm watching this page so you don't have to message me once you reply. :) Thanks, —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ]  20:23, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Possibly, but I'm still not quite convinced on the inclusion of such sites. I'll let others comment so that we can get a community consensus. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ]  23:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link to copyright compliant lyrics 

message: Hi, just a short note to let you know that the discussion regarding the proposed merge is happening at Wikipedia_talk:Don%27t_include_copies_of_primary_sources#Proposed_merge as it is the relevant place to discuss the merger. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 12:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: Hi, I'm wondering if the editors of this page consider this to be a full guideline. The tag at the top is different from more accepted guidelines, and that makes me wonder. One thing i'm proposing is that you use the Template:guideline, rather than the tag you have now. Please discuss it here (i'll be posting this message on other pages that have this same tag). Thanks! Fresheneesz 20:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this a guideline?

message: Would a page of a translation of a song in a foreign language be a copyright violation?  — ShadowHalo 09:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if you are not authorized to publish a copy of a work, then you are not authorized to publish a translation of it either. And someone else's authorized translation carries its own translation copyright with it as well. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Translations

message: This page never seems to have gone through any test of consensus to make it a guideline; it's been around for years and massivlely changed in that time, but no one ever had a straw poll or anythign to check. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus 

message: The article states "You should include lyrics and poetry whose copyright has expired." I disagree. I think it should say "...unless it is too long to be presentable." Something like that. Wrad (talk) 03:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't include overly-long lyrics 

message: The phrase avoid copyright paranoia should link directly to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Avoid_copyright_paranoia.  Could someone who knows how do this please? Koro Neil (talk) 05:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paranoia link 

message: There is currently an ongoing discussion about the future of this and others MoS naming style. Please consider the issues raised in the discussion and vote if you wish GnevinAWB (talk) 20:53, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: MoS naming style

message: There's a question at Talk:O Canada#Formatting of lyrics regarding the use of a different font to highlight in the article the lyrics of the anthem from the surrounding prose text. I wonder if someone from here could weigh in at that discussion with their opinion. Cheers. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different font for lyrics 

message: Editors here may wish to comment on this proposed article deletion. The poet's notability is being challenged.  --Anthonyhcole (talk) 16:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poet article for deletion 

message: The page Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry is not classified and categorised properly. Is it a policy, a style guideline, an other type of a guideline, an essay or what? It should be marked appropriately at the top and put into at least one category. It was part of the MOS till June 2011. Some material about how to write lyrics in Wikipedia (style matters, use of templates etc.) should be added in any case. I've been thinking about doing it myself, but would rather see someone else with more experience in this area to do it, taking Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Music#Lyrics into consideration. --Eleassar my talk 17:05, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry 

message: I have had the song "Ways of the Wise", by Tony Melendez (released in the early 1990s) "pop" into my head every so often since. I have just recently found an mp3 of the song, however, I want to find the lyrics of the song, but none of the lyrics websites I've tried seem to have it. Can someone please help me?  Allen (talk) 20:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics I can't find to a song I remembered from years ago 

message: I notice that Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry#National anthems has a "citation needed" (added in November 2013) on "National anthems are generally considered to be a special case of fair use".
Can we find such a citation? Do we need one? Mitch Ames (talk) 11:54, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It surely wouldn't hurt, Mitch Ames. Just because we say it's a "special case of fair use" doesn't mean the courts would agree. :/ Many people assume that national anthems are public domain, but this is not so - I don't know where the idea of "special fair use" comes from. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've brought this question up at Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#National_anthems.2C_a_special_case_of_fair_use. Barring some evidence of this, I believe this line needs to be removed, as the advice is contrary to WP:NFC. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now under discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#National_anthems.2C_a_special_case_of_fair_use to see what consensus is on including non-free lyrics from national anthems. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed on national anthems 

message: Should national anthems be considered a special case of Fair Use?
Based on recent edit wars on articles pertaining (primarily) to Central Asian national anthems, it seems that the long-standing  tag on this page regarding such anthems needs to be properly resolved. Previous discussions have taken place here and here, but participation was low and no consensus seems to have been reached. I am therefore opening a RFC to try an develop a consensus as to whether or not the lyrics of national anthems should be treated as a special case of Fair Use on Wikipedia. Yunshui 雲水 15:23, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation needed on national anthems: RFC

message: *Support, per discussions linked above, particularly the "no market effect" argument. While I'm not crazy about including full texts in general, in this case, it appears that we could if we want to. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: Could we agree to not remove the content or lyrics directly from the articles but to instead add a template such as Copy section to Wikisource? Removing the content instead of adding the template serves no purpose, while adding the template lets other editors know that the lyrics are considered too long for the article in question and should be moved over. If the lyrics are removed directly instead, this will instead attract confused editors who disagree on removing them and makes it harder for any other editor to actually move the content over to Wikisource (as they have to go digging into the revision history). SURJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 13:36, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning the removal of lyrics from national anthems 

message: The "Points to avoid" section includes  "MetroLyrics pages with the LyricsFind logo are officially licensed, but..."  However, MetroLyrics stopped using the "LF" (LyricsFind logo) and it is difficult to distinguish "official and accurate" lyrics from those that are user generated (see discussion at WT:SONGS#MetroLyrics lyrics pages now often link to unverified/unclear Musixmatch lyrics pages).  Propose to remove this phrase, so it would read:
*External links to copyright violations should also be avoided. MetroLyrics pages with the LyricsFind logo are officially licensed, but m[M]any archives and collections of lyrics on the Internet are not licensed and are likely to involve copyright violations.
If no one objects, I'll make this change. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  MetroLyrics statement needs to be updated 

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#RfC: updating MOS:DEADNAME for how to credit individuals on previously released works
This potentially would affect a significant number of articles.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:34, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  See RfC on changing DEADNAME on crediting individuals for previously released works