Talk:Paul Atreides

message: Since this edit by Only in death removing the current infobox image has been reverted by myself and two other editors, and restored twice so far by Only in death, it should be discussed here to prevent edit warring. Only in death's original edit summary is . Edit summary replies thus far have been ,  and . Thanks.— TAnthonyTalk 21:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why this policy isn't being enforced for the other Dune character articles. Regardless, seeing as Paul is the main character of the series, I feel having an infobox image would be appropriate. Kokaynegeesus (talk) 05:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, find a free picture to use and put it there. Commons probably has many pictures of the various actors who have played him in media, however this article is about the literary character, not the film character, which barely merits two lines in the entire article, so there is absolutely no way a copyright still from the latest film satisfies our WP:NFCC criteria. If the article were entirely about the latest film's depiction, or even substantially, the argument it adds to the article's understanding might come close. But it isnt is it. Having an infobox image for the sake of an image isnt a get out for NFCC - you still need to demonstrate why the picture selected satisfies all the criteria for non-free use. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not how it works. Any image of the character, regardless of medium, would satisfy NFCC as long as a non-free equivalent isn't available, in which case the image would still satisfy NFCC in a lower section. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That is frankly an idiotic interpretation of the policy and would justify *any* use of non-free media. Your disingenous omission of 'or could be created' speaks volumes. Lack of free media itself is not by itself a reason to use non-free media, if a free version could be created. You can pick up a pen and create a free depiction of Paul Atreides at any time. Only in death does duty end (talk) 21:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

text:  See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Only in death reported by User:InfiniteNexus (Result: ). InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, can the image be restored until this is resolved, per WP:STATUSQUO? Thanks.— TAnthonyTalk 22:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I've requested at ANEW. It's unfortunate that some admins are willing to allow users to go against consensus by exploiting 3RR. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:08, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I have no idea what you're doing anymore. You've reverted dozens of users already and it's clear nobody agrees with your interpretation of that policy. You're not very consistent with your argument and it seems you're only here to disrupt the article for your own personal amusement. Kokaynegeesus (talk) 23:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

text: IMO, if we are going with a non-free lead image, which it can be argued is allowed if there is consensus, it should be Kyle M since he was first. We don't have to have an image of the fictional character in the lead or elsewhere in the article per WP:OTHERCONTENT (that essay is an essay), but examples like Hannibal Lecter, Aragorn, Willy Wonka and Han Solo exists. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:47, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't necessarily have to be the first, just the most notable (which is still open to debate). InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I'd argue that the Kyle M portrayal has been subject to, and received, comment much longer than the others . Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, naturally. Villeneuve's film didn't exist in 2011. Reverse-recentism? InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:55, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Or WP:DUE/WP:PROPORTION-ness? There may be some WP:ILIKEIT-aspect as well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox image removal

message: Hi, I'm notifying editors who may he interested in participating in the discussion at Talk:Lady_Jessica#Proposed_infobox_image_change. Thanks.— TAnthonyTalk 17:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notification of infobox image change proposal at [[Lady Jessica]]