Talk:Chashitsu

message: The Chinese also have teahouses, though written 茶馆 rather than 茶室.  Does anyone have an opinion on whether it should be included in the same article or as a different article, in which case the current article should probably be renamed "Japanese tea house" and the new article be called "Chinese tea house."  From what I can tell, they are quite different animals, as 茶馆 are social places, traditionally for chatting, gambling, eating, as well as drinking tea.  They are still common places for friends and couples to meet, though more common in some parts of China than others.  Anyway, ideas? Easytoremember 07:15, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese Tea Houses

message: Tea House → Japanese tea house : I am proposing this move for User:Easytoremember since he was having difficulty doing so. I have asked that he add his reasons here as soon as possible. --Hetar 09:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add * Support or * Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, or add * followed by a comment, then sign your opinion with "~~~~"
* Support  The article is virtually only about Japanese tea houses.  They exist elsewhere and are different depending on the location/culture. --Easytoremember 10:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 09:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bah. Apparently, this has been done in a sort-of cut and paste manner. Please never do that again, as it destroys the concurrent edit history. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 09:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we can get an admin to fix this for us. I agree that it should have been moved rather than cut and pasted. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 17:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've marked the new page as needing a history merge. Should be taken care of soon. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 17:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: : Add * Support or * Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, or add * followed by a comment, then sign your opinion with "~~~~"
* Support  The article is virtually only about Japanese tea houses.  They exist elsewhere and are different depending on the location/culture. --Easytoremember 10:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 09:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bah. Apparently, this has been done in a sort-of cut and paste manner. Please never do that again, as it destroys the concurrent edit history. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 09:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we can get an admin to fix this for us. I agree that it should have been moved rather than cut and pasted. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 17:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've marked the new page as needing a history merge. Should be taken care of soon. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 17:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey and discussion

message: I think the merge is done. Please let me know of any problems. Turnstep 19:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 20:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Isn't a Japanese tea house also known as an ochaya? I would put it in the article but I don't know the specifics. ssepp(talk) 18:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Self-reply: It seems there is a complication in that a tea house can not only refer to a place where a tea ceremony is held (chashitsu) but also to a place of exclusive entertainment (ochaya). I am making some adjustments. ssepp(talk) 09:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sources say that the terms are entirely unrelated.  As you said, the ochaya is a commercial establishment. This is an exclusive place where you can find the geisha (ochaya has been described as their "natural habitat"). In fact, the maiko and geiko traditions were said to have originated from a pair of ochaya located at the Yasaka Shrine. Darwin Naz (talk) 23:49, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: alternative name

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message: I removed the image. It's an image of a cafe on the road side. Read this explanation. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 17:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image by Hiroshige. 

message: The issue of room size, particularly the minimum possible room size, is essential to understanding about the wabi-cha developed by Rikyu. It is confounding to be told that the minimum size possible is 1.5 mats, because such a size defies practicality. Old records and diagrams from Rikyu's era do indicate "one and a half jo, but evidence shows that until the era of Furuta Oribe, anything less than a full mat was given as a "half mat" (hanjō). The evidence appears in a 16-vol. anonymous work called the Chafu 茶譜, regarded by historians as an important source of information about tea history. This work explains why it was decided to call the "half mat" that was larger than a half of a mat but smaller than a full mat a "daime"; the reason was because carpenters were confused. Nakamura Shosei, arguably the number-one authority on chashita today, offered this information in a hand-out at a recent lecture. He also confirmed, verbally, that for a chashitsu to be 1.5 tatami, it would have to be the guest's mat that were the half mat (since temae on just a half mat is impossible), which of course would not have been possible (host taking the full mat, and a half mat left for just one guest). 
In that readers of wikipedia articles may tend to take the statements at face value and some might in fact try to construct a  minimal-size chashitsu according to this statement, it seems wise to state that the minimum size is the ichijō-daime (one full mat for guests, and the 3/4 size daime mat for the host to arrange the equipment and sit and conduct the tea-making).Tksb (talk) 03:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While what you say about terminology may be true, I would dispute the claim that it is impossible for a chashitsu to be 1.5 tatami, since as Nakamura points out, a guest can be comfortably accommodated on a half mat leaving the remaining whole mat for the host to prepare the tea.  Exploding Boy (talk) 04:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (To the extent that seiza can ever be considered comfortable, that is. Exploding Boy (talk) 06:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  One and a half mats 

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thread_title: Wikimedia links

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