Talk:Sidney Crosby/Archive 1

message: "He is best known for scoring a lacrosse-style goal that was first performed by the University of Michigan's Mike Legg in 1997 against University of Minnesota goalie Steve Debus."
:...I dont think he is best know for that. He is best known for being one of the best young hockey players in a long time. I think don't think many people would even think of that play unless it was mentioned
::I agree. I know exactly the play he means, but I haven't thought about it.Sportyguy03 19:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

message: This article is so incredibly pro-Crosby! I've gone through and tried to tone down the pro-Crosby POV (which is hard, given that this guy is amazing).  For example, most analysts believe he will not make the Olympic team, given Canada's insane depth, and I've also rephrased the "next one" paragraph.--Scïmïłar parley 16:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crosby Fan Club 

message: C'mon People, do we really need to document everytime this guy has a good game? Not only does this make this article completely weighted to the recent events of Crosby, but it also is an example of why Wikipedia is unable to be a credited source. Why don't we stop with this constant Crosby attention, and focus on other hockey aspects of Wikipedia. How about improving the Tony Twist article? Hmmm..? Anybody? Why do I hear nothing but silence? Croat Canuck 05:32, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to be WP:BOLD and removed a lot of the game-by-game commentary. I left in the trivia for now, but that needs to be fixed too. --Deathphoenix 17:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  C'mon People 

message: I've restored the comment that an anon removed here. I don't know what it's like in Pittsburgh, but there's been a fair bit of criticism of his being made an Alternate Captain. Please let me know if you agree or not with this statement. --Deathphoenix 04:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On Don Cherry, I'd agree. He's had nothing but criticism for Crosby and this apparently dates back to his (Crosby's) hot-dogging after a lacrosse goal (?), so any criticism he offers can be taken with a grain of salt. However, I've heard/seen a few other personalities criticise the appointment of Crosby, maybe not with the national exposure that Cherry has, but they're certainly enough to make it notable. --Deathphoenix 06:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe I should explain my comment. I mean I don't know what the criticism is like in Pittsburgh, but up here in Toronto (and, thanks to TV and the Internet, Canada in general), I've heard a fair bit of criticism. From your statement, I guess it's clear that they're not critical of this appointment in Pittsburgh. :-) --Deathphoenix 16:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism of Sidney Crosby being made Alternate Captain 

message: He's only been penalized for diving once. Saying 'numerous diving attempts' is very debatable, while many agree that he dives, many disagree.
:I got rid of some of the details here. --Deathphoenix 01:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numerous diving attempts? 

message: I feel the comment directed towards him fighting back tears has no bearing on this article. A lot of younger people come to this page for inspiration, and if shown you are liable to be "made fun of" for crying, then this article has not fully succeeded. Also, if left, somthing to the extent of explaining sentimental values of things like that may be in order, possibly in an a linked area.
:First, I don't really know if him fighting back tears is true (I never saw the actual broadcast). However, I'd like to point out that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a place to get inspiration, and there is no such thing as "succeeding" in doing anything but provide an encyclopedia. If people are coming to this article to get inspired, they are coming to the wrong place and should go elsewhere. That being said, your opinion of article content is certainly a valid one and can be acted upon, or you may edit the article yourself. I just want to point out that the purpose of this article is not to provide inspiration to a lot of younger people: it is to provide information about Sidney Crosby. That's it. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fighting back tears 

message: There seems to be a conflict regarding his birthplace. The official NHL and NHLPA websites don't even say the same place. NorthernThunder 07:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: If anyone else wants to help expand the article, here are some sources to use:
*TSN articles (they cover his junior years quite well
*Looking back on his rookie year
*IHWC article
*The "other" one
*"Whining"
*TSN's Sid Crosby Show --Wafulz 01:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Crosby suffered a broken foot during a game against MTL on March 16, 2007.  He continued to play during the regular season and throughout the playoffs.  Should this be included in the main article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.235.236.200 (talk) 20:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Foot 

message: The article initially read "After that game, he led the NHL in scoring, in doing so becoming the first teenager to lead the NHL in points since Wayne Gretzky in 1980" (or something to that effect).  I added that he did not relinquish the pints lead after that...thought this was notable —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.100.202.155 (talk) 14:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Leading the NHL in points in 2006-07

message: I went through and fixed his playing career. A lot of the information was documentations of good games. I left the important games in, but tied them in to why it was important (i.e. taking control of the points race). Some information in his career was also listed in his records section, so I got rid of them. Let me know if that's OK. This was my first major edit to a Wikipedia entry. Jhuerbin88 19:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bio Update

message: According to a recent Hockey News article, Stephen Walkom, the NHL director of officiating, came out and said that his referees told him Crosby does not whine like many people think he does. If anyone can find a source for this information, it might be worth adding to the Criticism section of the article. Fleagle 21:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Whiner Criticism

message: Not quite. Brian Bellows was the youngest, Bellows was appointed 'interim' captain of the Minnesota North Stars for the later-half of the 1983-84 season (during Captain Craig Hartsburg's abscenc through injry). Wikipedia, lists 'interim' as captains (see 30 NHL team pages). GoodDay 19:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter what Wikipedia lists captains as- the NHL says Crosby is the youngest, and at the end of the day, the NHL has authority over definitions of NHL records.--Wafulz 02:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The NHL has also listed Brian Bellows as having served (though interimly) as the Minnesota North Stars captain. We should at least list Crosby as the youngest 'full-time' captain. GoodDay 16:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bellows is mentioned (later) in the article, pointing out his younger 'interim captaincy'. I'm content with that. GoodDay 16:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So much for the Bellows note, someone arbitrarly edit it out. GoodDay 18:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I re-added the note. We shouldn't hand him record he doesn't entirely have. Killswitch Engage 06:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He actually has the record, and it is 100% his and 100% official. The note should exist to point out that Burrows was designated an interim who would give up his C as soon as the captain returned, so the record is not technically his.-Wafulz 13:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Youngest NHL captain?

message: "he became the youngest player and the only teenager ever to win a scoring title in any major North American sports league"
Is this right?  I know that this fact comes straight from NHL.com, but I believe Gretzky shared the scoring championship with Marcel Dionne when he was 19 (1979-1980).  At the time, Gretzky was younger than Crosby is now.  -Mark 65.197.19.242 17:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gretzky didn't share it- he actually lost it because Dionne had one more goal. So Crosby wins this round on a technicality.--Wafulz 18:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Dionne had two more goals (53 to 51). GoodDay 19:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: First Teenage Scoring Champ?