Talk:Four sons of Horus

message: Ok, I gotta admit, the authors detail and research are commendable.  Especially the parellel to the chinese philosophy.  The jokes "Broken hearts are caused by women..."  That's just funny.  Usually opinions entered into articles are done so by weasling but this is done with plain sarcasim that is suprisingly cute but not overwhelming and has actually made my Egyptian research more enjoyable.
--Trey Nitrotoluene 01:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarcastically?!? 

message: These stories behind the names -- it's the first I've ever heard of them -- Qebehsenuef is a reference to poison!? Imseti means kindly one!? Duamutef in reference to his motherland!? ims-ib means kindly -- but that has a different orthography. If there are no sources for any of this, this article should be scrapped. --Cliau 04:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No sources! 

message: This is one of the most common artefact types of Egypt, since so many tombs, and mummies are in museums. I'm pretty sure some great examples (A Picture) of One of the four Canopic jars could be put on this page.  Michael intheHOTdesertofYUMA,Az--Mmcannis 13:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A more appropriate picture would be a group of the 4 jars, good resolution, with the 4 differing lids on the jars.--MichaelinHotYUMA,Az--Mmcannis 17:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Egyptian artefact type

message: I have completely redone this page but I still have to add references (which are available) and further reading.  I liked some of the previous entry especially the link to forms of death but could find no justification for this view in Egyptology which makes it just an opinion not fact.Apepch7 11:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete re-edit 

message: The pictures now appear in the entry for Hapi - but should be with the intro section can anyone move them I can't figure out how. Apepch7 (talk) 01:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: The picture didn't show the sons of Horus but the sons of Osiris (left to right: the elder Horus, Anubis, Makedon and the younger Horus).--2003:F5:F719:AA00:3C00:EDF3:2F7B:7EFB (talk) 10:33, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but that's incorrect, and I don't know where you're getting your information from. The four sons of Horus were Imsety, Duamutef, Hapy, and Qebesenuef, and they were generally portrayed in these four animal-headed forms. As far as I know, Osiris was never said to have had four sons; most traditions seem to treat Horus as his only child, although some texts mention a daughter, Horit, whose name simply means "female Horus". A. Parrot (talk) 17:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The picture show not the sons of Horus but of Osiris 

message: The Sons of Horus are on Egyptian papyri that were incorrectly translated by Joseph Smith to be the Book of Abraham.  One of translations says that the sons of Horus "Represents this earth in its four quarters." This specific article was specifically called out by Egyptologist Robert K. Ritner in this podcast as having been infiltrated by Mormon apologists to support Joseph Smith's inaccurate interpretation.  I am not an Egyptologist, and would like to throw it out to the wikipedia collective who hopefully has more experience before I start making too many edits, but from my research, it seems that the Sons of Horus were at times associated with cardinal directions, but did not represent the cardinal directions. Epachamo (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Having skimmed that video, I didn't find a point where Ritner said this article might have been distorted by apologists. He did say there was a POV-pushing WP article on "Shinehah", but I searched for one and didn't find it. In any case, I don't see anything in the current text that treats the Four Sons as personifying the directions rather than being associated with them. A. Parrot (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential POV alert - Representing four corners of the earth 

message: "You are the great runner; come, that you may join up my father N and not be far in this your name of Hapi, for you are the greatest of my children – so says Horus".
"You have come to N; betake yourself beneath him and lift him up, do not be far from him, (even) N, in your name of Imsety." George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 20:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a convention for the name of the deceased person in a funerary text, which would vary depending on which individual copy of a text you're looking at. The Pyramid Texts in the pyramid of Unas would say "Unas" where, in the same spell, the Pyramid Texts of Pepi I would say "Pepi"; the Papyrus of Ani would say "Ani" at the same point where the Papyrus of Hunefer would say "Hunefer", and so forth. The "N" stands for "name", referring to the place where the name of the text's owner would go. A. Parrot (talk) 20:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is "N"? 

message: I think the articles about the four individual deities (Imsety, Hapi (Son of Horus), Duamutef and Qebehsenuef) should be merged into and redirected to this page. These deities only ever seem to have functioned as a group, unlike the Ennead or even the Ogdoad, where some or all members of each group had spheres of influence outside the group. The standard reference works for Egyptian deities—Richard H. Wilkinson's Complete Gods and Goddesses (2003), George Hart's Dictionary (2005), the Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt (2001), Geraldine Pinch's Egyptian Mythology (2002)—all have entries for the four sons of Horus as a group, not as individuals. Even the Egyptians themselves often interchanged the functions and iconographies of each deity, so that, for example, Hapy sometimes ended up guarding the stomach and Duamutef the lungs, and the heads of Duamutef and Qebehsenuef were frequently swapped. The idea of a set of four deities protecting the remains of the deceased was seemingly paramount, and the specific functions of each deity were secondary.
Given all that, I think it's easiest to comprehensively discuss the four sons in this article rather than elsewhere, particularly if the article ceases to be padded with quotations from funerary texts the way it is now. A comprehensive version of this article would render the individual ones redundant. A. Parrot (talk) 18:00, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: yea,I think thats a good idea, so people could learn about the four sons as indivuals. 209.6.26.185 (talk) 21:44, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Agree. They are essentially discussed as a group. Redtigerxyz  Talk  14:39, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal