Talk:Donald Neilson

message: These comments were left at the DRV after it had concluded:
Recreation as a stub Is not enough access to the original history would greatly aid in the creation the article so I say could we have original article resotred and then updated to this stub version so the history can be accessed? I also disagree that the person who deleted the article closed the deletion review.--Lucy-marie 11:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from the DRV

message: Shouldnt the article be on whittle with a redirect from Neilson.  This version of combining the two persons seems to give undue weight to the glorification of the murderer at the expense of the victim. Is that what our encyclopedia stands for? Hadrianheugh 16:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really because it's an article on Neilson, who is a multiple murderer. Gomez2002 (talk) 14:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Backwards

message: In the answer above the term 'multiple murderer' is used. Isn't this more accurate than 'serial killer'?
In the wikipedia entry on serial killers we can read Most criminals who commit multiple murders for material ends (such as Mafia hit men) are not classed as serial killers, because they are motivated by economic gain rather than psychopathological compulsion. As Neilson's murders happened as part of post-office robberies and as a kidnap/extortion is there any evidence to show the killing was either pre-meditated or the reason for the other crimes being committed? (83.13.39.98 (talk) 18:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need to revisit this issue. From my interpretation of the serial killer article, Neilson is not a serial killer. I think the term "multiple murderer" is more appropriate. Neilson did not kill for the thrill of the kill, but rather killed incidentally to his main objectives -- theft and kidnapping for ransom.--ukexpat (talk) 22:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not a serial killer. Simply murdering two or more people does not make a person a serial killer, not by accurate standards anyway, which is why a gang member who has murdered two or more people is not automatically a serial killer. Therefore, minutes ago, I reverted this addition of "serial killer" by an IP and tweaked the wording to this. Flyer22 (talk) 19:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Neilson had already murdered three people in separate incidents with a 'cooling off period' between each one, prior to kidnapping Whittle. Even if it wasn't his plan to kill Whittle, he was convicted of murdering her. He wasn't a hitman or gang member, he was a lone predator. To say that killing in connection with a financial motive disqualifies him as a serial killer would mean that we'd not be able to describe 'black widows' (women who murder a succession of partners for their estates/life insurance) as serial killers. Jim Michael (talk) 12:31, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Serial killer?

message: Was Miss Whittle from Staffordshire or Shropshire? (83.13.39.98 (talk) 18:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: From Shropshire, body found in Staffordshire. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/14/newsid_2530000/2530669.stm Kostia (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Staffordshire or Shropshire?

message: Removed the comment "Though the cause of death was believed to be strangulation, a post-mortem revealed that she had died from terror and shock" <-- not only is this not cited or referenced, but I'm not entirely sure that it is medically possible to 'die from terror' (!).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.65.225 (talk) 14:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: dont be so hasty heres a reference http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/39Black-panther39-must-die-in.4180077.jp
'SHOCK N TERROR'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.32.87.175 (talk) 19:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post mortem 

message: Have removed the reference to Tony White, one of the arresting officers. Whilst White was convicted of a very serious offence over twenty-five years later, the event bears no relation to the activities of Neilson and therefore adds nothing to this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.86.9 (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Conviction of officer

message: The span of the killings seems to be wrong. It does not agree with the Crime and Investigation site, mentioned at the bottom of the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.148.47.143 (talk) 11:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Both sources give 1974.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.148.45.123 (talk) 12:08, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Span 

message: Section "Turn to crime", first sentence: "A jobbing builder...". What does that mean? I understand that as a British subject the article should use British spelling, but that seems to be slang. As a US English speaker I find "a jobbing builder" impenetrable. Translation, please. Better yet, change the article, don't answer here. 71.234.215.133 (talk) 14:35, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For the benefit of others, a jobbing builder is someone who does various small bits of work for other people.  It's someone you might get in to rebuild your garden wall, or build a small extension, or put up some new shelves.  Sorry, I don't know what the US translation would be.  Handyman perhaps?  RedTomato 15:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a jobbing builder is someone without a specialist skill who does many short-term building jobs, who does not have regular work and does not usually do long-term projects. They are of lower pay, qualification and status in comparison to people who build houses. Jim Michael (talk) 19:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation, please 

message: Is there an article about sub-post offices? As an American As a USian As someone whose country does not use it, is there any way to link or explicate what a sub-post office is? 71.234.215.133 (talk) 14:50, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's like a corner shop with a small post-office inside.   Kind of like a tiny independent 7-11 (not a chain shop), usually in a small village, with one counter that is part of Postal Services, accepting & giving government paperwork services i.e. social security payments, car tax payments, passport applications etc. RedTomato 188.220.45.209 (talk) 15:53, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

text: A 'Crown Post Office' (increasingly rare) is nothing but a post office, and is owned and operated by Post Office Ltd. A sub-post office - as described above - has other functions and is operated under contract, as a kind of franchise. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-post office 

message: 'Dr Milne's examination found no evidence of insanity. The psychiatrist told the defence team, "I've examined him and he's the classic psychopath of all time."' This is an obvious contradiction, but I don't know which is right, so can someone who knows about the subject change it? Thanks. VenomousConcept (talk) 09:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trial & conviction 

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