Talk:Hans Brinker, or The Silver Skates

message: I think the section about people not knowing the story in The Netherlands should be deleted. I live in The Netherlands and almost everybody I know have heard the story about Hansje Brinker. 86.88.213.176 19:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've changed it in the article. Guus 03:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm Dutch and ironically, the first time I heard of this story was in a British documentary. It was also never mentioned at school, but this could something regional, since I live in Friesland and we were never really thought about the "culture" in the western provinces (Holland). --217.120.78.212 (talk) 00:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I live in Groningen and studied and lived there and in Amsterdam and Leiden. I first heard of this story in an American documentary...  Faithfully yours, Robert Prummel (talk) 10:07, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Story in the Netherlands

message: The operation in the novel is not clearly defined, but from the nature of the problem and looking at what Raff was doing afterwards, I gather that it involves trephining (which is drilling into the skull to release the pressure of a hemotoma) rather than a lobotomy which has quite remarked effects (as seen in the film One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest Katana Geldar 03:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Trephination]] not a [[lobotomy]] 

message: It might be a good idea to explain where the skates fit into the plot! I see where it is partly explained here, but will leave it for someone who has actually read the novel. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Softlavender (talk) 05:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skates? 

message: I'd like to discuss two words in two sentences which are currently in question in this article. In order for the article to be most accurate and most understandable and most readable, in my opinion certain words must be utilized/present in order for for matters to be clearest to the reader. The word "however" is in the sentence stating that the boy/dike story is not widely know in the Netherlands because it follows mentions of several statues of the boy/dyke in the Netherlands. The word also improves the rhythm and flow of the text, which is abrupt (not to mention an abrupt non-sequitur) and staccato without it. The word "actual" is in the sentence about the actual author of the boy/dyke tale, because the sentence refers to the actual author, not the plagiarizers and adaptors. For accuracy and sense this sentence needs either the word "actual" or "original". Softlavender (talk) 22:58, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't generally use "actual" as it reduces meaning. "Author" would be fine. "However" is another tricky one; we generally exercise extreme care when using it. I don't see how it improves the article in this case. --John (talk) 23:18, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "We don't generally use" is an opinion/perception, not policy. This is not a random use of the word, it's a clinically precise and judicious use of the word for reasons stated in my first post. "Actual" or "original" here not only do not reduce meaning, they establish important meaning — without either of them the sentence is incorrect and misleading. In terms of "however", the link you posted merely says "Words such as but, however, and although may imply a relationship between two statements where none exists, perhaps inappropriately undermining the first or giving undue precedence to the credibility of the second." There is indeed a relationship between the mention of several statues of the boy/dike and the clarification for the reader that, contrary to these appearances, this is not a part of Dutch folklore nor widely known in the Netherlands. There is no political or public-relations controversy involved here — "however" here does not create a prejudicial implication towards one side of any controversy versus another, which the quoted policy was concerned about: "however" is used here to clarify and make more precise. Would you mind reading my points above in my very first post and responding to each one specifically (as I did to yours)? Thanks very much, as that would eliminate the need for me to repeat myself. Cheers, Softlavender (talk) 00:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good writing is indeed a matter of opinion and perception, and not policy. --John (talk) 06:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Precision of wording 

message: The fictional account of the "The Little Hero of Haarlem" first appeared in a British publication, and only later on an American one. Therefore it should be described as a legend of British literature, not American literature.101.98.161.149 (talk) 02:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no actual proof where it originated; apparently it is from the French (Eugénie Foa), but this is unprovable as yet. In any case, it was not popularized until Hans Brinker, and therefore it is a legend of American literature, and became much more popular and well known in the U.S. than it ever was or has been in Britain. Softlavender (talk) 02:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not an American story 

message: I have removed a recently added one-sentence section called "Medical History" as it does not comply with Wikipedia guidelines in several ways: (1) It is trivia. (2) It is speculation, and unnecessary (and inaccurate) speculation. (3) One-sentence sections are not allowed. (4) This is not a medical article. (5) Mary Mapes Dodge was not a doctor or scientist, and did not describe a specifically named medical condition or its treatment. (6) It is inaccurate; we already know that Balzac described the condition and its surgical treatment in his novel Pierrette in 1840 , . -- Softlavender (talk) 06:14, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Medical History" 

message: , the IMDb links are used to demonstrate that these films exist, and their release year, which is a very standard and established practice in many Wikipedia articles. The usage may be disputed but it is neither inappropriate nor forbidden; so do not remove the citations without WP:CONSENSUS or without changing to something else or without proving that they are incorrect. Do not leave the material uncited. I thoroughly checked that information in 2008 and the IMDB listings for these four films are all correct. This is not an FA article on a particular film; these citations are acceptible here unless you personally want to find different ones to replace them with. Softlavender (talk) 13:45, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMDB 

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