Talk:Bindeez

message: Added link to CPSC recall notice. 
According to the CPSC announcement, there's a web site for the recall at .  But it's currently not working properly, so I didn't link to it. Should be added to the article when it comes up. --John Nagle 16:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll lay you odds that is not an official site in any capacity for the recall. Just look at the WHOIS (domain name registration) for it, namely the "Spin Direct".  - Ageekgal 16:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "aquadotsrecall.com" is from the CPSC recall notice.  "Spin Master" is the Canadian distributor for the toy. The site is up, but overloaded right now. --John Nagle 17:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Same for "left in near-comatose state", which appears to be scary wording for "fell asleep". A coma implies permanence, but GHB only causes temporary unconsciousness. Jpatokal 06:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If we attribute who says it, we don't have to be playing doctor. --Dhartung | Talk 06:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True.  See CNN coverage  for more details. Five children known to have been hospitalized; 3 in AU, 2 in US. --John Nagle 08:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recall site down 

message: In which country are these produced? Badagnani 07:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: China --Stephen 08:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is pretty obvious, but we should attribute any speculation or findings. --Dhartung | Talk 02:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "China's General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine (AQSIQ) said the toys, products of Australia-based Moose Enterprises, were manufactured by the Wangqi Product Factory in China's southern city of Shenzhen. China froze exports of the "Aqua Dots" on Friday and the AQSIQ said on Saturday it had also suspended the toy maker's export licence." --John Nagle 20:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Where produced?

message: Heavy press coverage.  CNN, Reuters, Sidney Morning Herald, The Age, Washington Post.  Government bans on the product in Victoria and New South Wales.  At least six children hospitalized in Australia.  Unofficial recall in Canada.  Recall in Spain.  Safety alert in Ireland  
Spin control for the manufacturer is being managed by Royce Communication.
--John Nagle 08:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even heavier press coverage today. Google News counts 1550 stories.  Stories in the New York Daily News, The Wall Street Journal, The Guardian , Bloomberg , and just about every outlet that prints wire service stories.     --John Nagle 17:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still more press coverage.  Over 2000 stories in Google News.  On front page of Wikipedia and Google News.  More recalls (Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Spain).  --John Nagle 01:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extensive press coverage 

message: I've added a note about 'aquabeads' - a similar product. However I've read in at least one news story that aquabeads is just another name for the same product. For the time being I'm assuming the reference I've given is correct. Nick Connolly 21:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aquabeads 

message: I reverted a change to past tense. At this time I am unaware of any formal discontinuation of the product. Being recalled is not the same thing. If the company does announce that it will no longer be manufactured we can go back to past tense, but personally I prefer "is a discontinued product" to "was a product". --Dhartung | Talk 03:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been suspended only.  The Australian producer is offering replacement beads in 3 months.  --Stephen 05:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Was a product" is premature.  Give it a few days.    --John Nagle 05:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been reformulated with a bitter chemical coating to discourage consumption (this is stated in the article now). Badagnani 05:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Too soon to say if it's gone, too soon to say it will be back.  Since there's no way to visually distinguish good beads from bad beads, just replacing the beads may not be sufficient to satisfy regulatory authorities, retailers, or consumers. Suggest the article not commit either way. --John Nagle 06:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Present tense 

message: Does the name have anything to do with Bindi (decoration)? It seems likely. Badagnani 04:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not impossible but given that this is an Australian name its probably related to the Australian girls name 'Bindi' (eg Bindi Irwin ) and a mix of 'bind' & 'easy' Nick Connolly 05:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha! Very good thinking. By the way, any idea of the derivation/etymology of the Australian name? Badagnani 05:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Bindi Irwin article it's an Australian Aboriginal word that means little girl, according to her father; although it's an unreferenced claim.  I'd go with Bindis after the Indian dots,  but of course it's all original research! --Stephen 06:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Living in Australia, the only Bindi I've ever heard of besides Irwin is Soliva sessilis. FiggyBee 05:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: What month and year was this product introduced? Badagnani 08:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When introduced? 

message: It seems like Bindeez is probably a plural (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm from UK), but two mentions of the product follow it with the singular "is", including the first line.
Then further down it is given the plural "are - which is right? Thanks 129.67.125.194 12:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From a packet "Moose's Bindeez are magic beads that you use to create colourful and fun designs." The problem is that "Bindeez" sounds plural but for fun it has a 'z' on the end instead of a regular plural 's'. Moose's literature doesn't ever seem to use a singular of Bindeez (eg Bindee) but refers to an individual "bead". To further complicate matters "Bindeez" refers to the range of products as well as the beads.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Connolly (talk • contribs) 18:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Treat as cattle. No singular of that either. Bindeez is clearly a plural term, the absence of a singular does not qualify use of "is"--ZayZayEM 01:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Cattle don't stick together when you spray them with water ;) --Stephen 03:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you ingest large amounts of cattle do you go into a coma or just get fat?Nick Connolly 04:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bindeez is/are? 

message: About this revert of my edit, it totally doesn't matter to me what the actual wording is, but I do think we shouldn't leave it as associated with date rape per WP:EGG.  Also, I think we should decide whether the toy's name is plural or singular and stick with that throughout the article.  4.21.209.231 07:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't know about that guideline. bear in mind it is only a guideline. I think the alternative wording is too clumsy (and innacurate, GHB is not "the" date rape drug). How about date rape drug). I love Egg links.--~~~~  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZayZayEM (talk • contribs) 11:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great suggestion, I think we should go for it.  4.21.209.231 11:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter egg links 

message: Are Aqua Dots and Aqua Beads names under which Bindeez are marketed? Badagnani 23:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aqua Beads are unrelated.  The beads are marketed as Bindeez in Australia and Aqua Dots in North America.  I'm not sure about Europe?  I think Moose invented them, got a Chinese manufacturer to make them, and perhaps sold the licence to distribute them in the US to Spin Maker, who renamed them for that market.  But that's all a guess.  --Stephen 01:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How did so many prominent newspapers get this wrong, stating that "Aqua Beads" is one of the names? Badagnani 02:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they didn't read our article that provides all the information, including details about Aquabeads being safe! --Stephen 03:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this a joke? We are not a reporting organization. Badagnani 03:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text:  I'm not sure how they got it wrong. I read in the Sydney Morning Herald that Bindeez were also marketed as Aqua Dots and Aquabeads. I'd heard the 'Aqua dots' name but not Aquabeads and so I googled that name to see were in the world they were called Aquabeads. The hits indicated that they were not the same product. Presumably there is a line somewhere between original research and simply getting your facts right :) Nick Connolly 18:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called attributing your source. that way it's their fault, not ours. Wikipedia - verifiable, not true.--ZayZayEM 02:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well either way I'm impressed with the way Wikipedia has handled this article. Its the first time I've been involved in a high-traffic page on a current issue and I think the article is better than many accounts I've seen in reputable newspapers.Nick Connolly 07:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate names 

message: The Australian distributor has claimed that that the medical emergencies did not "did not result in any long-term effects," (17) though medical studies of GHB overdoses encountered by recreational users has shown serious injury is common.[18]
Can someone explain the relevance of the latter to GHB-Bindeez ingestion.
It has already been pointed out that this figure predominantly refers to long-term addict users, so really isn't relevant to one-off consumption as has been the Bindeez incidents. Nor is it likely children-cases as the Bindeez incidents.
It's presence only seems to suggest that somehow a) the distributor is wrong in its assertion, or b) that the assertion is somehow a startling relevation. B) doesn't seem true, and A) would be inappropriate for Wikipedia. Please suggest C) for discussion.--ZayZayEM (talk) 02:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right... they'll have physiological changes to be more tolerant of the drug. John Nevard (talk) 06:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit more complex than that, but that alone dismisses them from being a "representative sample" when comparing them to cases in primary school kids.--ZayZayEM (talk) 10:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of long term effect stats 

message: I've seen a new Bindeez advert, they have put a new 'bitter anti swallowing formula' in them, where should this go into the article? This is quoted in the new advert.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 12:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bindeez are back 

message: This product is the basis for the 2010-2011 American Mock Trial Association case.  Would it relevant to mention this on in the article?
Captainbowtie (talk) 04:28, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basis of Mock Trial Case 

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