Talk:Travel Air 2000

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: So, it was a mistake to try and include all the surviving Travel Airs. I had no idea that there were so many. Also, because of the way aircraft registration works, I have no idea which are true survivors and which exist only as paperwork.
I'm going to cut my losses and simply restrict the list to those owned by museums. Feel free to revert to the version before my edits if you like. –Noha307 (talk) 01:45, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good plan! - Ahunt (talk) 13:35, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survivor List 

message: According to Bowers' Curtiss Aircraft 1907–1947, the CW-14 was a development of the Travel Air 4000/4 series, so it could be argued that they could be covered in this article - certainly more so than the CW-12, which does seem to be a different aircraft (although "often referred to as Travel Airs") - and the CW-14 and Ospreys are important enough that they shouldn't be erased from Wikipedia.Nigel Ish (talk) 21:51, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We have a redirect here from Curtiss-Wright CW-14, so readers expect some content to be found here. Do we have enough to create a separate article similar to Curtiss-Wright CW-12? - Ahunt (talk) 23:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Structurally they are not the same. The wings, undercarriage, struts all point to them being unrelated. In fact, beyond both being open cockpit biplanes they have little in common. That one reference makes an error (or simply lumps them together) does not change that. CW-14 should redirect to CW-12 from which it was developed, and which I just fixed. - NiD.29 (talk) 03:35, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

text: Pretty sure I can dig up info on the CW-14 as well - various ATCs were assigned (CW-12 = ATC 401, 406, 407 & CW-14 = ATC 442 & 485), so at the very least, Juptner will have pages of technical details and specifications. Photos seem to be a bigger problem. Military use seems well covered by various sources. - NiD.29 (talk) 03:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The CW-14 is NOT a CW-12 development - it's nearly twice the weight and has wildly different dimensions - there are three sets of specs in Bowers for the CW-14/Osprey - one for the prototype 14C (with the Challenger engine and long span (36 ft) wings), one for the A14D (civil three seater, R-740 engine, ~5 built) and one for the C14R Osprey (2-seat military version) - which is probably the most common version. Note that references will tend to be fragmented and contradictory, partially due to Curtiss's poor record keeping (which may be related to their practice of selling military aircraft in breach of embargoes) - the travel air 2000 article does at least need to mention the CW-14, as some of the civil versions were initially known as Speedwings.Nigel Ish (talk) 11:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: So a new page is needed then, np - I can start on that today. - NiD.29 (talk) 12:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikidata is (mostly) filled out, Commons has a directory now, with two images (need more, and a drawing), wikipedia page is started at User:NiD.29/Curtiss-Wright CW-14 - looks like plenty of material available for a page aside from the paucity of images, will transfer live once done - probably within the next day or two. "Travel Air Wings over the Prairie" ignores the type almost entirely - if there is any mention, it is buried in a chapter. - NiD.29 (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Page is live at Curtiss-Wright CW-14 Osprey. BTW, NX433W shows that the 12 and 14 were connected development-wise as its serial number lists it as a 12 (12Q-2009), but looks (mostly) like a 14, including in its size, but there is no documentation (not even under OR) that clears its connections up - even the Travel Air experts are baffled by it. The more we learn, the less we realize we know. - NiD.29 (talk) 16:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  CW-14