Talk:Bruce Vilanch

message: At what age did he transition? I came to this article specifically for this information and it's not here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.119.30.12 (talk) 21:05, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transition? 

message: It would be interesting to link this comment to a note about what he practices and where.  While 'straight edge' is compatible, 'openly gay' might be restrictive to certain brands of Judaism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.220.52 (talk) 19:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What an ass. Proxy User (talk) 13:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Homophobia is ugly anywhere, but especially in any religion.  To those of us who choose to, "practice" our religion, and there are  too many who need a lot more practice, Bruce is a "practicing Jew". Period. Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 07:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  'practicing Jew' 

message: I removed a large amount of what I call "Fat and Fluff" from this article.  Essentially, there was a lot of peacock terminology, a lot of what read like an advertisement, and a lot of unneccessary text that didn't really relate to the article's subject.  There was also an overdoing of glowing adjectives that caused the article to not read very NPOV.  I imagine these changes may anger some who have spent time on this page, and for that I apologize.  But, I do  hope that rather than reacting in anger and immediately reverting, the changes can be discussed here. Lhb1239 (talk) 18:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Trimming is ok. Decimating, I have a problem with/ Bruce IS Fat and fluffy and is the best kept secret in show business. I am not angry, a bit frustrated, we shall talk, after I get my hair done LOL. One has to have their priorities in Wiki. Namaste... — DocOfSoc • Talk •   22:28, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Vilanch may be fat and fluffy but Wiki articles aren't supposed to be fat and fluffy since it's an encyclopedia.  Sorry you are frustrated, glad you aren't angry.  It would probably be good to hear from other editors who have spend time on this article for their opinion(s) as well. Lhb1239 (talk) 22:56, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming 

message: Requesting comments from other editors involved (and not involved) in editing this article and the recent changes made. Lhb1239 (talk) 22:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The "fat and fluffy" was tongue in cheek. I do realize that the article needed "some trimming" but what  has been done has greatly minimized one of the most prolific talents in show business. This is not from a fan's perspective but from out of the mouths of the rich and famous funny artists in which he has inserted words, sometime DURING a performance as at the Academy Awards. He gets paid more than some of the stars he writes for because without him they would not be nearly as funny. Some of this is personal knowledge (both myself and 2 of my kids have worked in the business off and on for years) but I can and will find more valid sources.  Namaste... — DocOfSoc • Talk •   05:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In reading over the changes made, the impossible has been accomplished: Bruce Vilanch and his article are boring! — DocOfSoc • Talk •   06:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Personal knowledge is nice, but it isn't a substitute for verfiability.  Still, I think the article is improving and haven't found it to be boring at all.  With more than one working on it, it should get better everytime it's edited. Lhb1239 (talk) 04:56, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

text: When I first read this article (before Lhb1239's changes), I thought it was very promotional and that it read more like an E! Online blog than an article in an encyclopedia. If Lhb1239 has removed some unsourced yet important information, it may be the best thing for now, because this is a biography of a living person, which have stricter standards for verifiability. Quigley (talk) 05:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you regarding the blog-like content.  I would like to see the majority of the direct quotes go -- that many quotes (unless notable and well-known) don't belong in an encyclopedia article.  More like a People Magazine article or entertainment blog (as you pointed out, Quigley). Lhb1239 (talk) 05:34, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Continuing little by litte to removed entertainment blog-like text in order for article to read more encyclopedic. Lhb1239 (talk) 21:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Okay, you're not hostile.  That's a good thing.  Sorry you're frustrated.  I have to say that I'm having a hard time understanding why you would be frustrated with this article getting better, though.  Maybe you're taking the changes too personally?  Lhb1239 (talk) 20:25, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I don't understand what any of the above has to do with improving this article and editing cooperatively. Lhb1239 (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: oy... — DocOfSoc • Talk •   21:08, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your cryptic reply/non-answer is exactly why we need more editors looking at this.  Lhb1239 (talk) 21:19, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Let's please get back to the substance of the article and, as I said on BLPN, specifics. I've already changed some material in the article to keep it finely tuned to the cited sources, and I will continue to do so. One thing the article really needs is citations with dates of the articles and dates retrieved. No one is using the templates for complete cites. This is not just a technical gripe, but it improves the article to quickly know what the date of a cite is and when it was accessed. I just fixed one while I was rewording the Streisand sentences.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:03, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC Trimming of article

message: NOW you tell me there is a template for cities? Sheeesh! My s do a really good job of that, do I have to? LOL
TY Bbb for all your help. You are mildly awesome ;-)  Namaste...
:P.S.  Lhb I am Never "Kinda" nasty. When I am nasty you will know for sure. :-D  Are we having fun yet?    — DocOfSoc • Talk •   00:33, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Now

message: The lead has the following sentence: "He is a six-time Emmy Award-winner known to industry professionals in Hollywood and New York as 'the fat guy who writes everyone's jokes.'" The source cited is a website called FamousWhy, which, in my view, is not a reliable source. As far as I can tell, it's like a blog, to which anyone can post a question, and it's not clear who responds to them. The quote, in particular, in the WP article is extreme - it's one person's opinion on the FamousWhy website - whoever that person is - and we certainly can't say "known to industry professionals in Hollywood and New York."
I intend to remove the sentence unless there's a consensus to keep it, or unless someone can provide a reliable source in support of it.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's not from a reliable source, it needs to go.  Plus, this article needs less direct quotes to make it more encyclopedic and less like a People Magazine article -- another reason why it should go. Lhb1239 (talk) 16:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for commenting, but just out of curiosity, why do you think direct quotes make the article unencyclopedic? It's not a list of quotes. See WP:NOTEVERYTHING#1. What other quotes do you object to?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

text: This is a very common quote. I will find a better source! Give me a couple hours. It's Mother's Day! — DocOfSoc • Talk •   20:20, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable source 

message: "Some of the stuff you complain about is no longer in the article. I reworded the scene stealing stuff. I reworded the DRA stuff. I don't see anything wrong with the Midler quote.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:03, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia et al

message: Still thinking there are too many direct quotes in the article.  Please look at WP:QUOTEFARM. Lhb1239 (talk) 01:49, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:QUOTEFARM: "Provided each use of a quotation within an article is legitimate and justified there is no need for an arbitrary limit." There are  7 quotes, for a man who makes his living  writing "quotes" for other people. — DocOfSoc • Talk •   03:18, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direct quotes 

message: He was not the center square for 4 years on hollywood squares.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.77.205 (talk) 23:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: fixed  — DocOfSoc • Talk •   03:19, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  'not center square' 

message: Is this a test? LOL You asked for cites that were already cited earlier in the article! I will find the rest... who was it that said : "We are not amused"? Fortunately, it was not me.  — DocOfSoc • Talk •   03:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Esteemed Bbb: Happy Now ?  :-D   Namaste... — DocOfSoc • Talk •   09:24, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I still need to review the article more carefully, Doc. My last edit was based on a superficial look. Other than removing the word "premier", which stood out, and making a bunch of small changes, I didn't really match up assertion to source. That requires more work. I have two requests for you, though, Doc. First, there is no space between a punctuation mark (period, comma, etc.) and a reference. Second, when you add sources, it would be really helpful and make the article look more professional if you used the templates  or , as appropriate, and fill in all the relevant parameters (title, work/publisher, author, date of piece, and date of access). Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Would you believe, in 8000 edits nobody has mentioned the above to me.  My first year was such a nightmare I got no good "newbie" advice. Thanks again. Namaste... — DocOfSoc • Talk •   20:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Refs

message: Edits have been made to this article that have been sorely needed for months.  References have been removed when discovered they were from unreliable sources, posed possible copyright infringement problems, non-existent, dead-links, and just not related at all to the text they were attached to.  Cite needed tags were placed as appropriate and some text was removed completely.  Some text was removed per previous discussion and informal consensus back in May.  Also, as it occurred previously, I'm sure these recent edits will make some other editor(s) upset -- that is not my intent -- but the article really needed work and clean-up.  Comments and polite AGF discussion on these edits are welcomed. Lhb1239 (talk) 02:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My only comment at this point is I've noticed you've been busy. I just got back from a wikibreak and have been trying to catch up on all of my watched pages. This one will require more time for me to review what you've done before I can make any constructive comments. Not sure when I'll get to it.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good enough! Lhb1239 (talk) 02:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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