Talk:History of the Jews in China

message: Should this page really be History of the Jews in China? Why is Jews in China not preferrable? I maintain the latter to be preferrable since, as we just discussed above, there are still Jews in China, therefore unless we are to create a new, distinct article for Jews in China or Judaism in China (all of which current redir. to this one, now), this presents an ambiguity, since the topic is not merely "history" but also a current-day development. ~ Dpr 01:21, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is following the current naming convention for articles about the Jews in various places. See History of the Jews in the United States, History of the Jews in Poland, History of the Jews in France, and about 20 others. Many of these articles cover the present community as well, but they are focused on telling the whole story of the presence of Jews in the relevant country, just as this one does. Consistancy in naming conventions is worth preserving. --Goodoldpolonius2 01:31, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I understand. Thanks for explaining this. Sorry for my ignorance on the convention. ~ Dpr 02:06, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: Can we get a source for the Lanmao Hui? Pretty interesting addition! ~ Dpr 02:01, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, my source is the old man who runs a little shop around the corner from where the Kaifeng temple used to be and keeps a box of related memorabilia.  A google search yields only one hit, in Japanese.  I know no Japanese, but looking at the pictures and the kanji, it does seem to offer some corroboration.  — Pekinensis 16:42, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Actually, there is confirmation at zh:犹太人. — Pekinensis 15:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Names for Jewish Chinese

message: Someone added two references:http: http://jewcn.com and http://jewcn.org
Can someone who reads Chinese have a look at these?  The fact that they flash "hot" in a bunch of places make me doubt their legitimacy. DHR 03:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Check References

message: There's a bit of duplicate content on this article with Kaifeng Jews, especially in the history section.  Should the duplicate content be merged?  --- Hong Qi Gong 17:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems to me that the duplicate content is brief enough and relevant enough to this article that it ought to stay. If it was going into extensive detail about the Kaifeng situation, and including significant amounts of material not relevant to the overall History of the Jews in China, I'd say get rid of it. But as it stands, I'm not really sure what would be removed without damaging the continuity and thoroughness of the article. LordAmeth 02:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate content with [[Kaifeng Jews]] 

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message: This was recently deleted from the article; I'm not sure whether or not I think it belongs in the article, but it is interesting, and so rather than lose it, I'm recovering it to here. LordAmeth 09:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature 

message: The story of Ricci and Ngai is repeated in many secondary sources, but I would really like to read the original contemporary account of this incident. None of the secondary sources seem to say where this anecdote was first published. Can anyone help me find this? --Iustinus 06:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ricci and Ngai 

message: 'Holocaust' is an inaccurate, as well as religiously denoted term to describe the ethnic cleansing policies of Germany (1933-1945). The term 'Extermination' is both etymologically and historically more consistent.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laocoont (talk • contribs) 08:21, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What section of the page is this in reference to? --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever shortcomings, the term holocaust is consistently used, and understood, to refer to the Nazi policy of extermination of the Jews. It was so used, and wikilinked, in this article. To replace this with the term extermination, with a wikilink to a disambiguation page, is unhelpful. RolandR (talk) 11:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Holocaust vs Extermination

message: Can we please stop bombarding the page with links to famous Jews in China. That section has steadily grown to a list of 73 people. I think a split off article/list should be created to prevent the current page from being downgraded to simply a dumping site for links. Whoever writes the split off article should include a paragraph here and an accompanying link. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 04:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already voiced my opinion above. If a "cap" is not instituted, the page will just become a huge list. I would also like to remind user:Mibelz of WP:Civil. I only have the page's best interest in mind, it is not an "arrogant" move. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 00:13, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought of an idea that would satisfy both of us. Why not make a category called "Famous Jews in China"? That way all a reader has to do is click the category on a given article and they can view the list. A link to the category can be left on this page. Thoughts? --Ghostexorcist (talk) 10:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many famous Jews 

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message: Are Song Dandan and Jiang Wenli actually Jewish? If so, please provide a source. 2601:644:8100:A68C:5DFB:A3A0:CB8D:CBBB (talk) 09:58, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song Dandan and Jiang Wenli 

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message: In "Overview" the last paragraph should be removed unless it can be documented to reliable sources, since it constitutes editorial opinion. Any thoughts out there? American In Brazil (talk) 11:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Overview" 

message: It seems that a minor edit war or the potential beginning of an edit war has broken out over the past few days. In my view, the issue is that the first paragraph both is extremely partial and greatly over-generalizes. It's most contentious parts appear to have mostly been written by user , who has reverted both my edit and the edit of  which removed this opening paragraph.
The tone of the paragraph is far from encyclopedic, describing Chinese attitudes towards Jews as "congenial", "friendly", and even "warm"–all highly subjective and loaded terms. Furthermore, many of these statements are directly contradicted by the cited sources, such as this JPost article reporting about a local (Chinese) govt crackdown against Jewish religious freedom. Later in this article it also mentions how the Yuan dynasty banned circumcision as well as Kosher foods.
In light of this, , would you please allow the opening paragraph to be deleted or dramatically reworked?
Connorboyle (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll move the opening paragraph to a different section and change the subjective and overgeneralized toning. Backendgaming (talk) 00:52, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone and Impartiality of Opening Paragraph 

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message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of the Jews in Abkhazia which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 05:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  ASUKITE 23:17, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: History of the Jews in China →  – This would seem to be the more straightforward title. It appears that there are other pages with a similar title structure, which may be worth considering moving as well.  talk 17:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: True, about the redirect. My feeling though is that "History of X People in Y Place" article titles are very clear even if for social or cultural reasons the same concept could be expressed in another manner and would probably be received in the same way. I definitely understand that there is not a huge difference between the two so it's more a matter of clarity of the topic for me, especially for people who are coming to this with little preexisting knowledge (as is the case with many Wikipedia readers on a variety of topics). Just my take, anyways. Dan Carkner (talk) 20:30, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 20 August 2021