Talk:Johnnycake

message: Is the reference to The Sopranos all that relevent? I say dump it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.236.216.252 (talk • contribs) 
:As previously written, the reference was poorly phrased and amorphous. I rewrote it and added a trivia header. According to an article I read in a cooking magazine, demand for johnnycakes increased significantly after their regular appearance in several episodes of The Sopranos, so that suggests it is relevant. Carmela Soprano 17:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sopranos

message: Johnnycakes are an unleavened pancake. They are not bread. So I changed the stub category back to the correct stub. I also generally rewrote the article and took out all of the passive phrasing. Carmela Soprano 17:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaned up article & ''The Sopranos'' reference

message: Isn't it also eaten in the English-speaking Caribbean? Badagnani (talk) 06:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Caribbean

message: This is actually probably the worst single article on the entire site.
1. It’s “Johnny Cakes” (two words).
2. They were popularized by their extensive use by Confederate soldiers during the American Civil War, irregardless where they may (or were NOT) created.
It’s time to delete it all and start all over again.
65.102.19.148 (talk) 02:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article needs a clean up, for sure, but I don't believe an AfD is in order as of yet. Be bold and improve the article with reliable sources. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 00:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the overblown complaint here is entirely based on original research--this thing about being popularized, tell that to the people in Rhode Island, and the remark about the spelling is simply not correct. Besides, deletion is for non-notable topics, not for cleanup. Drmies (talk) 00:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

text: It may be overblown, but it does need work I think. As someone who grew up in South County area of Rhode Island and still lives in RI, I don't know about Johnny Cakes being a "staple". It might be a nice, quaint thing to tell tourist or even for us natives to romantically imagine, but aside from a few devoted Swamp Yankees I doubt there's overwhelming amount of residents or natives for whom it's really a staple food. jrun (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This article indeed is terrible - repetitive, contradictory, etc. - basically like some team of 9th graders did it as a class project with each student writing one paragraph. But, the worst article in wiki-land - no way, there are plenty more that are far worse - this is, compared to some, possitively pulitzer prize material. of course, if you're looking at wiki for anything more than a laugh, then you're in real trouble.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.11 (talk) 20:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collapsed discussion 

message: In the book 'Fairy Tales from the British Isles' by Amabel Williams-Ellis, published in 1960 there is a fairy tale 'Johnny-Cake' and she makes the annotation that acknowledges that the tale was collected via the US but that its origin is British. She makes reference to a Scottish version as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samsoot (talk • contribs) 11:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also a story "Johnny-Cake" in the 1890 book "English Fairytales" collected by Joseph Jacobs. He lists his source as "_American Journal of Folk-Lore_, ii. 60." It may be that Jacobs is the source that Williams-Ellis used: in his introduction he mentioned that he used tales that "... have been found among descendants of English immigrants in America". I don't suppose anyone here has access to a copy of the American Journal or Folk-Lore? Thehalfone (talk) 13:53, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: British Isles

message: There is an old ballad 'Four little Johnny Cakes' and it is more likely to be of British origin than American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samsoot (talk • contribs) 11:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia

message: The West Indies section (formerly Jamaica) says johnnycakes are known by an alternative name and are made with flour, etc. Doesn't that just mean it's a different item completely? I hear in Canada they call ham sandwiches "turkey sandwiches" and make them with turkey instead of ham. --Rhododendrites (talk) 22:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flour johnnycakes? 

message: Google Johnnycake and see what images come up - 99.9999% of them show very tasty examples of cornmeal goodness. Now, look at the photo at the top of this article - I wouldn't feed my dog the things pictured here (not that he'd eat them either)...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 22:44, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top.</br> The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).  WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gross photo! 

message: I don't want to get into an argument about this.  Maybe the topic needs it's own section in the article.  But right now two sections contradict each other and both have citations.  
"Myth" seems a bit pejorative. Can we say "It is still widely believed that hoe cakes used to cooked on the backs of hoes, but new research indicates that large flat kitchen skillets were sometimes called hoes and there is no testimony of anyone actually cooking hoe cakes on garden hoes."? Sheherazahde (talk) 03:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Were they cooked on a hoe or weren't they? 

message: This whole section seems not to relate to the other part of the article.  It concentrates on southern cuisine, when johnycakes are mostly thought of as New England food. If there is a southern Johnycake, then it needs to be explained as well. It's really an entry on corn... The info is not really correct either as corn was a common food from New England to the South, especially early on.  In the south it became more important later because wheat was hard to grow there, and during the Civil War, it could not be easily imported. Corn was also extremely important in the Southwest - considered sacred by Native American tribes. Actually Native Americans, who practiced agriculture grew corn in many regions of North America. It continues to be important with the Mexican American culture as well.  Of course the Midwest is also corn country. And then what about the rest of Central and South America? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loki-dog (talk • contribs) 17:29, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: The Dominican "yaniqueque" (the spanish phonetic spelling of how Dominicans pronounce the English "Johnnycake") also varies within the country.  Although in some parts of the country they are small fried flour cakes, in other parts they are flat, circular, leavened loaves of wheat flour, usually slightly sweet and baked with fennel seeds.  They are sold along the road or beach by Haitians and Dominicans.Imamime (talk) 13:32, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dominican "yaniqueques" 

message: I am very familiar with the Australian campfire soda-bread "damper", but had never heard, or even read in older literature, of johnnycake in this context. After stumbling upon this article, with it's surprising claim, I was curious to check out the reference  given for this text in the Variations section: 
===Australia===
In Australia, "Johnnycake" refers to a quick bread made with flour rather than cornmeal; the cakes are baked in the hot ashes of a fire or fried in fat on a skillet.
:Unless others have strong objections, or can provide more sources that seem to suggest a more widespread use of the term in the Australian context, either now or in the past, I intend to remove the "Australia" section altogether. 180.216.180.68 (talk) 02:49, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And this is where I eat my words! (Luckily for me, though, they're delicious.) Looking into Australian Johnny cakes further, I found how common that term is, particularly in Northern Australia, and in rural and remote areas. It appears to be used for little dampers, what are sometimes known as "bush-scones". I have put this in the article. Let that be a lesson to me!180.216.180.68 (talk) 08:08, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variations (Australian damper)