Talk:Tron (hacker)/Archive 1

message: The article is completely useless. It doesn't tell much about Tron, instead it focuses on recent events (of which some are not proven yet to have anything to do with Tron at all). So please, focus on the topic! --12:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And so it happened. I think this addresses the critism in a sufficient way. One note, though: It is simply not true, that the connection is not proven (it was acknowledged hours before the comment above was posted by the German Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.) -- Pedewikia 14:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This is no news page

message: So that´s why the article is rather on top in the search engine result pages. In fact, the whole case is more than strange, but the article is so tiny, and he was never known as B.F., only as Tron. He was rather a legend, but only in some small communities. Why don´t we just respect the wish of the family ? It´s rather ill to make such a trouble about. Tron is tron, there is no reason to change that after his death. Steffen Kaufmann
:"Respect for the family" is not an encyclopedic reason, especially when what the family wishes for "respect" is censorship of public knowledge through draconian legal threats. So they are upset that the guy is dead, fine, but their actions show lack of respect for everyone and everything but their own unrealistic expectations. DreamGuy 23:29, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: this is just another blatant example of "I would never have heard the name if they hadn't made such a fuss about trying to hush it up". This sort of thing just doesn't fly on the Internet, and the parents were either acting on horribly bad advice, or in the face of sound advice :) Except, of course, they actually are looking for publicity. Maybe B.F.'s memoirs are coming out or something. dab (ᛏ) 18:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: He had an unfrequent  familiy name.

message: Could someone translate the German Wikipedia article here? We could use some more information about things he did while still alive - this article focuses too much on controversies after his death. Ausir 03:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Scroll upward on this page. DreamGuy 04:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Now thanks for your effort, but you misunderstood. What was asked for was a translation of the article about Tron in the german wikipedia, not a translation of the text from wikipedia.de. The article was in the meanwhile loosely translated and merged in with the article here. -- 15:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a Google pseudo-translation.  hydnjo talk 20:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you read? The article was in the meanwhile loosely translated and merged in with the article here.. -- Pedewikia 20:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tron_%28hacker%29&action=history --IAAL 17:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop trolling. Your pamphlet is of bad quality and destroys the article. All the "facts" in it are already mentioned in the article. We don't need your help or (next to threatening) advise and would prefer if you just leave as alone. Thank you for your cooperation. Failure to do so, will likely lead to a new block of your account. -- Pedewikia 17:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Pedewikia]] is not allowed to manipulate the event especially the neutral report 

message: Whoa - that's a crazy edit history - I've semi-protected it at least for a while. As a side note I think the suicide category may not be the best idea for the moment since it is controversial... WhiteNight T | @ | C 01:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  semi-protected 

message: Is it true that we have recorded his real name, beyond a shadow of a doubt? - Ta bu shi da yu 02:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tons of sources say so, as cited in the article. Like with anything in the encyclopedia, I suppose it's possible that every source in existence is wrong, but encyclopedias go by what the sources say. DreamGuy 03:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Beyond a shadow of doubt. -- 84.176.233.33 09:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would we be sued otherwise? Ausir 14:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real name 

message: This may be really bad timing, with this article's current level of controversy, but I'm wondering: wouldn't it be better to name this article after Boris' full name rather than his hacker alias? Tron may be more well-known, but Boris Floricic is more encyclopedic, in my opinion. --Michiel Sikma 07:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, I don't think so. Musicians at least have their articles under their popular, not real, names, e.g. Eminem or Madonna. On the other hand, I'd love to see the legal fireworks of not only putting his full name in but also making it the title of the article. It's oddly satisfying to see the page blatanly defying a court order. --AK7 08:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is no court order forbidding Wikimedia Foundation to tell the civil full name of Tron. 84.176.233.33 09:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia naming conventions say that we always go with the most famous name as the title... so if you admit that's Tron, Tron it stays. DreamGuy 12:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Boris Floricic is already a working redirect to Tron (hacker), which is sufficient for most purposes. Frankie
Well that name already redirects here as is, so it's of no benefit. --^demon 17:50, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Seeing as the German WP is down because Tron's full name was displayed, shouldn't the English WP try not to use it? --Anthony5429 03:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The German WP was nerver "down", what was down was www.wikipedia.de which was only a redirect to de.wikipedia.org. Most people know and use the direct adress anyway. So the damage for the German WP was almost nothing. 81.201.224.13 09:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. --Anthony5429 22:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename to Boris Floricic 

message: As a newcomer to this story (linking in from Slashdot), I found an ambiguity with regard to the subject's nationality. The first sentence of the "Life" paragraph is ambiguous. It states "Tron grew up in a suburb in the south of Berlin." From 1949-1990 (which encompasses the subject's upbringing), there were two Berlins; East and West, and they were in different countries. Would some kind soul familiar with this story please edit the main page to accurately reflect his nationality?
:The German article states, that this suburb was :de:Berlin-Gropiusstadt, which, as part of Neukölln, was part of West-Berlin during the Wall Years --(Taxman) de 17:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It all depends on the view point. Regarding to the viewpoint of West-Germany (and many other countries), the eastern part of Germany was always Germany, and the people living inside were germans (and are nowadays anyway), this was also written in the lawbook. -- 80.139.63.246 18:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please clarify nationality 

message: Who cares about this issue.  The entire thing would vaguely be considered 'educational' and is mostly self serving.  Do the right thing and leave these poor people alone.  This is a publicly provided service and open to anyone, show some courtesy to his parents.
An encylclopedia is supposed to be enlightening and informational.  This article does neither. And if you going to cite yourself it should be kept in a distinct section as not to confuse anyone that the observer is part of the content.  This is like having your thumb in front of the camera lens.
: In your POV it is neither. After reading about this on a news site, I found the page both (in the original, intended way). If Wikipedia started deleting pages out of “courtesy” to someone/something, there would be very little content in it. --Bky1701 10:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place for troll posts 

message: He was a Croat boy, who lives in Germany with the parents. i don´t believe he kill himself. Its not normal for Croat people. Peace
: Yeah, that sounds like a strong argument. LOL. -- Pedewikia 19:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me surprise you - for some cultures it is very unusual to commit suicide --Prokoudine 21:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Croat 

message: This link is a Google pseudo-translation of the German Wikipedia article.  hydnjo talk 19:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what? The german article has already translated into english and merged into the english article. Manual translation, not this machine bullshit. Just click on "article" above, and you can read the translation. No need for shabby machine translation. -- Pedewikia 20:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey! Be nice! I'd like to thank Hydnjo for the translation, even if it is in this article. - [[User:Ta bu shi 
da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 01:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, didn't ment to behave like an ass. However: The user has added the link also to another section above, right after a message (by me) that the text was manually translated, and a translation is not needed any longer. In my opionion it can be required from users to at least read what they are replying to... -- Pedewikia 18:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: His parents' names are missing from this article. As parties to an actual lawsuit against Wikipedia, they have [1] made themselves newsworthy public figures; and [2] made their names a part of the public record. Do we have their names yet? - Nunh-huh 00:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since these are on public record, surely anyone who needs to know them can look them up? What value do you suppose they would add to the article or to Wikipedia? What might be the cost, legal, reputative, or otherwise? Do you know when to stop? Do you know what stop even means? There are *plenty* of interesting factoids that could be added to wikipedia, both to its and to the contributors merit. The names of the bereaved parents who asked that you not publish the name of their son, because it being publicised is doing them physical harm, is not one of them. -- Wikipediatrist 04:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surely the parents names are now public record? 

message: i've translated (part of) it to Italian. Since the article is locked i cannot add the link. Lo'oris - ロホリス 21:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its only locked too new and anonymous users. You can edit it. Mike (T C)  22:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

text: No, it's just plain locked. To everyone but administrators. - Nunh-huh 03:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not an admin and I edited it, as long with others. Its a fuckup on someones part, it was only semi protected despite what the tag on the edit page says. Mike (T C)  23:08, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the screw up is actually the message that admins get when they try to edit it, which says "WARNING: This page has been locked so that only administrators can edit it. Be sure you are following the protected page guidelines." It would be good if someone changed it to reflect reality. - Nunh-huh 23:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new translation (IT) 

message: The current level of protection is not reflected by the current tag (which proclaims the article is semi-protected, rather than protected). One of the two should be changed, and there should be an indication on the article's talk page of who protected it. When it actually is unprotected or semiprotected, someone should translate "Verein" to the English word "Association". - Nunh-huh 00:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can edit it just fine and I'm not an admin. As explained above, the message you get when editing the thing is misleading. (To misquote a certain Finnish president: "Well, let's try, shall we?" (writing to a certain wall with a gate that reads "abandon all hope all ye who enter") --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 23:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it was under full protection there wouldn't be a edit this page tag, instead it would say view source. Mike (T C)  04:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: I was going to recommend somebody put a link to Censorship in Germany but apparently nobody's made the article yet. 68.88.76.100 03:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe because the article is trash and should be disposed. It is very POV and also reflects only the situation in the former german democratic republic. The title of the article is misleading at best. -- Pedewikia 18:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just renamed it. -- Kju (de) 19:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also -  

message: The injunction against Wikimedia Germany has been revoked until after the court case somewhen the week after next week. Also wikipedia.de has published the complete text of the injunction.
see: www.wikipedia.de
:Not the complete text, but a version with the litigant's names redacted. - Nunh-huh 05:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Injunction against Wikimedia Germany temporaily revoked, injunction published. 

message: the link to "Deutschland e.V." does not work - shouldn't this only be wikimedia.de? -- -fin 16:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Kusma (討論) 16:45, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong link 

message: There is mention of the patent on the IDEA encryption algorithm. Please note that software patents exist only in the USA and Japan, not in Europe and in Germany.
The article should be modified with the precision that IDEA is not patented in Germany, so it should not be a problem for "Tron".
: With respect, please check your facts. IDEA is currently patented in Germany and Europe. Our current article on IDEA asserts that the algorithm is patented in Austria, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, (European patent EP-B-0482154), the United States (US patent #5,214,703) and Japan (JP 3225440). See also . — Matt Crypto 16:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  patents don't exist in Europe (for IDEA encryption) 

message: Sources, link 8: futurezone: "'Einstweilige' gegen Wikipedia.de", by unnamed author, 19 January 2006 (in German)
should link to the ARTICLE, not the forum discussion (with no backlink to the article)
correct link: http://futurezone.orf.at/it/stories/83747/
:Fixed. --Avatar-en 06:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad link