Talk:Kazimierz Siemienowicz

message: IMO picture of a medieval man made in 20thentury is a misleading fantasy and POV, and has no place in encyclopedia, which is supposed to present true information. mikka (t) 17:54, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not perfect, but it seems to be the only picture I can find. It is an artistic interpreation, but... why medieval? The costume looks more like contemporary 17th century Swedish/Western garb to me. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:41, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Found a possibly better picture at , but is seems copyrighted and I am not 100% certain it is him. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Kazimierz Simonowicz lived in GDL and was from Lithuanian dutchy nobleman family.
:And like all Lithuanian nobles was polonized. Let's not quarrer whether he was Polish or Lithuanian because there is no good answer. Either we say he was a Polish-Lithuanian noble, or we say simply he was from PLC.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. `'mikka (t) 17:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry but this is getting pathetic, is Elfi von Dassanowsky a Pole?
Unfortunately not, he was Germanized and he is a German. Are the autochthons of Silesia Germans or Germanized Slavs? If someone’s ancestors are assimilated than it would be logical to think that the descendant is a member of the assimilating group. Is every person from present-day Wrocław whose surname ends on “wicz” a Belarusian? Ruthenian??
Siemenowicz was a szlachcic. He was a man of Polish language and culture. So who he was? A Lithuanian peasant? --Jurand 19:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If some people speak a polish – he is a polish!?  NO! During commonwealth times sometimes it is trick to separate who is who; to avoid misleading notes (which is quite obvious in this case) should be written polish-commonwealth noblemen or something similar.  It could help avoid addition tension because if you referring to as “pole” it looks like that you ignoring Grand Duchy of Lithuanian.M.K 07:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Polish-Lithuanian is a compromise that is both closest to the truth and should satisfy everyone. Btw, you may be interested in the argument at Talk:Polish_Constitution_of_May_3%2C_1791#Title as well as Wikipedia_talk:Polish_Wikipedians%27_notice_board#LDKMember.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: The Siemienowicz szlacha were of Ruthenian (Belarusian) origin and i think that should be mentioned. In the Biography i added the link that mentions him among other famous people of Belarusian origin. I remind you Belarus was also part of the commonwealth, and im part of the Lithuenian state so it's nothing unussual. I'm not a Belarusian so i dont really care about the case bit i think it's a fact theres no reason not to mention. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 17:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ruthenian yes, but did Belarusian ethnicity existed back than? I thought it and Ukrainian ones split from Ruthenian later? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are 100% right. But today he would be considered Belarusian. Thats the same thing like... Today we call many people from Prussian history Germans, but the German ethnicity havent existed back then. And Ukrainians and Belarusians never split from the Ruthenian ethnicity. the word Ruthenian, in latin, simply means Rus. Which means, the people of Rus. You dont have a word like Ruthenian in Russian, you have Rus. The term Belarusians, White Russia, existed back then. It was a name to the region which is today Belarus, and the Ruthenians in it were called after it. Just like... Ukraine was originaly called Little Russia, due tot he fact this region was considered small reletively to the rest of Russia. Then it became Ukraine, from the word, Kray, which means edge, since it was geographicaly on the edge of the empire. In fact, while being part of Lithuenia Belarusians were refered to as Litvins. A friend of mine, an historian by the way, told me when studing about Belorusians: "Lithuenized Russians who were later Polenized with the whole Lithuenia. It was easy for them to become Poles, because both are Slavs". -wicz, -Sky, are the endings your most likely to find in Belorusian surenames, but also in the Polish ones. Thats why you see a Belarusian named Pole because of having such a surname, you wont be surprised. But a Lithuenian with such a surname?? When you see a lithuenian with such a surname it's most likely a Pole or Lithuenized Belarusian. At the link i gave Siemienowicz is refered to as Belarusian. Infact, this is completely normal. Johann Sebastian Bach is refered to as German, thought Germany havent existed back then. Thats why i used both of the terms to make it clear. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 18:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

text: What?? You havent understood a word of what i said. I said that the term White Russia always wxisted and the people from there were White Russians. Go to the Bach article and delete the German composer entrence. Slavs are not the same, and thats not what i said. When i quoted my friend it already was not about the text, but just as a "by the way" because the Belarusians question is still not understood to many. I referenced what i entered to the text. If you got something wrong use the talk page and ask. When talking about last name it was just an example how the Belarusians culturaly assimilated. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 19:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not the article about existance of White Rus(not Russia,those are  two different terms), I fail to see any connection to Bach of this person. As to pages, personal webpages are not considered reliable references, and also if you will get some extraordinary claim from scholary source outside of majority view it will be have to be presented as such in latter text not in the lead.--Molobo (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you yyourself got confused why you revert me. He was ethnicaly, ethnicaly! Belarusian, and i referenced that. Then delete the Web-Pages from the reference list, not all i entered!!! Am jaority view is not obvious. In the CIS the majority view he is Belarussian, since it was his ethnicity. In Lithienia he is considered Lithuenian, because it was the duchy of Lithuenia. In Poland, Polish, because he spoke and wrote Polish. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 20:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know CIS countries have unified scholary world views, also how did they determine his ethnicity in Belarusian regime ? I gather it were not genetic tests since the material is not available ?--Molobo (talk) 20:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know that you unifed scholary world views. I show that every area has a different view. The belarusian regime and politics ARE NOT A FACTOR IN THIS QUESTION. Get a life and use reasonable arguments. He is from a well known Belarusian noble szlacha, Siemienowicz. There are documents saved from that era. It's a stupid edit war your are having and youll get blocked for it if you wont stop. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 20:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dictatorships are notorious for abusing and twisting history to suit their interests and gain support of their people. Thus dictatorship-based historical sources aren't reliable sources of information.--Molobo (talk) 20:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The regime and what you think of is has nothing to do with it. Democracy to twists the history. Every regime does that according to what it needs, and again, that doesn't metter here. Your not liking Belarus doesn't mean that we have the right to delete facts about those people. Plus if Belarus is a dictatorrship or not is an arguable question. As someone who visited Belarus, i can tell you that the majority of Belarusians like that goverment because it didnt give the Oligarchs to turn Belarus into a crime state. While Orange Ukraine, seen as Democracy be the USA and the EU, is a complete dictatorship violating human rights. Again, the regime and what we think of it has nothing to do with it. I myself Live in Israel so i dont care about it. But it's a well known old fact that this man is Belarusian. If Lukashenko will say he likes the writer Vasil Bykaŭ will you like: "That's it! Lukashenko said he likes him, then this man is not a writer anymore!"? I'm shure not. So lets be objective. There are alot of links indicating he is Belarusian, i chose the first ones randomly. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 20:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It is not. But were not talking about WHERE he was born. We are talking about ETHNICITY. His ethnicity was Belarusian, and to that i gave links. If an etnic Lithuenian is born in Moscow can you say: "He was born im Moscow, since when is moscow Lithuenia?", you can but that won't change the fact his ethnicity is Lithuenian. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 20:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And about the sources. Some are written by scholars and academians, and one is govermental. Reliable enough. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 20:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Free hosting on Geocities and some site propagating plagiarism for students, providing free referats. Well, it does not seem reliable enough.--Lokyz (talk) 21:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it has more then 2 sources. I rendomly took the first once. I gave you 5 sources. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 21:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please cite some book or published materials, not patriotic sites. I'm well aware of this theory, but you failed to provide at least one reliable source. A source that calls Polish-Lihuanian Commonwealth a "Belarusian state" is more than ridiculous.--Lokyz (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I never said that the commonwealth was Belarusian, dont twist my word. I used normal sites. Some of them by scholars and one govermental. There was a book i dont remember it's name about Belarusian nobility, you could read about that family in those guide books about nobility. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 21:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Belarusian ethnicity should be mentioned

message: A. returning to previuos question - do the sites cite specific documents?
B. I tool a liberty removing Litvin allegation, unless you'd provide some citation from Symonowicz book/handwriting. BY researchers do not prowide a single reference here.--Lokyz (talk) 03:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not taking part in this any more. I request mediation on this, please. Yury Tarasievich (talk) 23:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would suggest Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. I can join as a party, since I've been observing this discussion since it's start.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: BY Dubiousity

message: :Image:Kazimierz siemenowicz.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Kazimierz siemenowicz.jpg

message: Since nobody can find the source for the "Let better rockets serve Venus than blood-thirsty Mars" quote, originally added by anon in 2006 (), I am now removing it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let better rockets serve Venus than blood-thirsty Mars 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Kazimierz Siemienowicz. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160425071839/http://samogitia.mch.mii.lt/KULTURA/Aviacija.htm to http://samogitia.mch.mii.lt/kultura/Aviacija.htm
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.cosmo.tadla.net/artismagmae.shtml
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 14:32, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Casimir Siemienowicz. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100812003906/http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/University_Library/exhibits/Fireworks/4.html to http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/University_Library/exhibits/Fireworks/4.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100812003906/http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/University_Library/exhibits/Fireworks/4.html to http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/University_Library/exhibits/Fireworks/4.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:58, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified