Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league/Archive 2

message: This article is rubbish, I know as I wrote it. Hopefully it can be the start of something better.
:I have tidied it up somewhat. I suggest changing it to British rugby league stadia because there is no point having a Welsh page.GordyB 21:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[English rugby league stadia by capacity]] 

message: What about selecting an individual article for a collaborative effort? Maybe we could look at potential FA subjects. I know there are some great writers in this project. A lot of other projects do this in one way or another, so maybe we should trial it? Forever young 08:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats a good idea, but perhaps only useful for large projects? I seem to have so many articles that i'm doing at the moment, i dont have a lot of time for anything else. I think it should at least be tried. POds 17:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration 

message: Could I ask someone with better knowledge to go over to this article.  We have an anon user who keeps changing from the cited source the player's place of birth.  They have provided another source but won't wait for further checks before part changing the article. I'm not fussed what is right, but just that it's right.  Thanks for any help --Regan123 03:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Danny Tickle]] 

message: Too few players' pages have pictures. An idea I had about fixing this for the more noteable (and picture-worthy) players and coaches would be to use their book-covers. Most famous players and coaches have written books which feature a photo of themselves on the cover. Jpeg files of these covers would be easily found on the internet and I think they woudln't create any copyright problems. What do people think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.78.141 (talk) 03:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Too few players' pages have pictures.  An idea I had about fixing this for the more noteable (and picture-worthy) players and coaches would be to use their book-covers.  Most famous players and coaches have written books which feature a photo of themselves on the cover.  Jpeg files of these covers would be easily found on the internet and I think they woudln't create any copyright problems.  What do people think?--Jeff79 20:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Although I'm not a member, I'm having a conflict with myself as whether or not to start a new page for the WA Reds or to update the Western Reds. I believe both franchises are different and for the fact that the Western Reds is in the toolbar as a defunct NRL team whereas the WA Reds is a new club. While incorporating some of the information of the Western Reds to the WA Reds is an option I think that for the article itself and for the benefit of the rugby league network on Wikipedia it would save much confusion if the separate article was created for the simple fact that people will be confused as to whether its a new team or a dead team. I'd like to go ahead with the new article, are there any objections? Sbryce858 09:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are correct, two pages seems the best option to me.GordyB 09:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I'd have to agree that 2 pages would probably be best. However.. if the club decides to incorporate the records of the old Reds into the new club, then the 2 pages could be combined Steeden 06:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since the announcement of the Perth side in the NSWRL Jim Beam Cup I have been updating the Western Reds site with the revamped side's information - as far as I'm concerned they are, in most respects, the same club playing in a lower grade.  This will be especially true if the WA Reds become an NRL side as is envisaged.  I support one page at this point - also because there isn't really a lot more to say about the WA Reds at this time and is best covered in a paragraph in the main article.  As an side, I think we need some guidelines over what a 'defunct club' is - a club is not 'defunct' just because it no longer plays at the highest level, this is a mistake too often made in Australian RL circles. CumberlandsAshes81 03:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Reds v WA Reds 

message: As this page was getting overlong, I've moved old discussions to an archive page. If you feel that any particular discussion was on-going and should not have been moved then just move it back.GordyB 10:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: There is a discussion about whether the Rugby League Challenge Cup should be moved to Challenge Cup. Those with an opinion see Talk:Rugby League Challenge Cup.GordyB 09:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Challenge Cup 

message: There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 27#Category:Rugby league clubs about whether there's a difference for categorization purposes between a rugby league club and a rugby league team.  I think the proposal is that :Category:Rugby league clubs should be merged into :Category:Rugby league teams, but whatever is actually being proposed, I'm sure that contributions from this WikiProject would be welcomed.  Bencherlite 01:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion about two Rugby league related categories 

message: I don't know a thing about rugby league to even tell what's going on in this article. Someone want to take a look? NickelShoe (Talk) 03:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has now been cleaned up and merged into the Aust RL season article New South Wales Rugby League season 1911 and redirected.--Sticks66 14:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[1911 rugby league premiership final]] 

message: Currently, there are two templates for WP:RL.
*Template:WikiProject Rugby league (about 89 articles use this)
*Template:RugbyleagueWikiproject (about 800+ atricles use this)
Why is this?  The first one, is a proper one, while the second seems to be used on player pages.  My suggestion is we merge all into the first one.  Now I don't know a simple way to do this (can we redirect templates?) but my suggestion is put the syntax of the first template onto the second one, thus meaning we only have to change the 89 articles that have the old one rather than the 900 that have the second one.  Any opinions????? SpecialWindler 03:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created Template:WikiProject Rugby league so that it could be used to rate/assess articles. I purposely made it separate from the original so that we could easily track which articles had not been rated. In the long-term it was my goal for us to go through each talk page one by one and rate the corresponding article using the new template. I think we should aim to move each of the old articles onto the new system and then delete/merge the old template into the new one, but not until each of the articles using the old system move onto the new one. What do you think about that suggestion? --mdmanser 04:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats seems fair.  But if an article isn't assessed then it automatically goes on the Category:Unasseessed rl articles (whatever), so there it is already.  But if thats the plan, I didn't know so I'll start straight away. SpecialWindler 04:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once all the articles have been assessed though, the original template should be removed. SpecialWindler 04:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't think about that point actually regarding the unassessed category. It may have been my original intentions to force article assessment if we moved over to a new template. If we stuck with the old one then we may have just lazed around without bothering about the assessment (and people may not have been aware of the syntax to rate an article). Hope that makes sense. I'll start assessing some articles now too.--mdmanser 05:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject RugbyLeague template 

message: Anyone fancy doing eligibility lists for the upcoming world cup. I can imagine a far few Aussies will be asked to represent the likes of Ireland, Wales or Scotland. Does anyone know if there are sources out there to do this. Londo06 14:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A virtual impossibility, who knows where every single player's granny was born?GordyB 15:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: QRL.com.au has the eligibility listed for all the players in the Queensland Cup here: http://qrl.com.au/competitions/player_profiles.php Bongomanrae 22:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit more complicated in England. A lot of people have mixed English-Celt ancestry. It could be that half the English-born players could qualify for one of Ireland, Wales or Scotland (in that order).GordyB 11:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's a bunch of Samoa and Tonga eligible players. http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showpost.php?p=3435549&postcount=1 Bongomanrae 06:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eligibility Lists 

message: On the infoboxes should players playing for clubs like the North Devils be a junior club or senior football. A player can be 28 and play Queensland Cup and then be called up to play for an NRL Club Article here.. But would Michael Roberts the Mackay Brothers junior, would his career at the Redcliffe Dolphins go on the Senior games or not. Alot of people put it in as big players get called up to NRL at 18, but others can stay down in Queensland Cup for a long time. Where would it belong. Londo06 22:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need to add another section, other than Youth Clubs and First Grade Games.  Maybe a premier league or other games.  See my proposal to the right. . SpecialWindler 10:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: This would allow everything from 3rd Grade to Premier league and other leagues, showcasing the entire rugby league career of the player. For Example Michael Roberts. SpecialWindler 11:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queensland Cup and NSW 

message: It's that time of year again. Does anyone else think we need to have Rugby League State of Origin semi-protected so only people with logins (who can be held accountable for their contributions) can edit it? Alot of clowns are vandalising the statistics these days and it's a hassle to fix.--Jeff79 09:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should wait for a couple of days. Now that Game 1 is over, I don't vandals will be interested as much. Perhaps we should prepare ourselves for Game 2 when the next period of frequent vandalism will come. GizzaChat © 09:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  State of Origin Article 

message: The use of team colours has become very popular across rugby league pages, and has even spread into A-League and Australian Football League pages as well. However, I think their use needs to be minimised wherever possible. I initially created them as a subsitute for team logos following them being banned from lists (for some ridiculous reason), so that teams could have an identifiable image next to their name in ladders/tables for season summaries. The problem is, they have started to spread uncontrollably onto main pages (see Super League (Europe) for example). It is my belief that the use of these images should be restricted ONLY to season summary pages for the time being. If we set ourselves and other editors limits now then it will save us the trouble of having to do so in the future in what could be a more complicated situation. What's more is that if we use them too often, they begin to become really annoying and detract from the text (which should be the main focus). What does everybody else think? --mdmanser 05:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, I like the colours (personally the logos are better but the rules are the rules (unfortenely)), i don't know if removing them would be the best thing. I don't really know??? SpecialWindler 10:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also like them, but I don't know that they are needed in (for example) a list of winners of a competition.GordyB 11:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I like them on Super League (Europe) and National Rugby League and the top two sections of 
NSW Rugby League premiership but the summary of grand final winners is just a mess as a result of the colours.GordyB 11:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess if a club's name is there, the colours don't really need to be next to it. But I think they could be useful in the same way icons for national flags are next to players' names, such as in the team lists in 2007 Rugby League State of Origin series and in season infoboxes for top scorers. They do seem to be overused somewhat, particularly in the NRL season 2007 article where they appear over and over and over. I don't feel too strongly about it though. Didn't occur to me as a problem until it was mentioned. Just my 2 cents.--Jeff79 18:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But when you remove them all, who's going to stop someone bring them back up? SpecialWindler 09:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't really know alot about it. But maybe the reason little club logos couldn't be used in the past was because whoever uploaded the logos to wikipedia in the first place included no fair use rationale. Some of them are up for deletion now for this reason. Maybe if we upload new ones with proper fair use rationale we won't need the colours squares anymore.--Jeff79 05:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a plan, I wouldn't know what fair use rationale to use though. Bongomanrae 07:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colours 

message: Hi all. I've been playing around with the  template to see if an extended scoreboard can be made (breaking down the scores into tries, conversions/penalites, and field goals). Of course this can be done by using a lot of line breaks, but then it is pretty likely that the rows don't match - and the rows normally match scoreboards on TV. So I've made a test template at User:52 Pickup/Drafts/Rugbyleaguebox - see the talk page for examples. It means using more fields, but the template also supports the current fields too so you can choose whether to use a condensed or expanded scoreboard. At the moment, conversions and penalities are kept together, but that could be changed if you want to use this version. Any thoughts? - 52 Pickup 10:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it needs changing, it might be better to have players something like this eg SpecialWindler 10:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Johnathan Thurston (1T,2/2G,1FG=9PTS)SpecialWindler 10:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  But its fine at the moment. SpecialWindler 10:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem. I mainly did it just to see if it could be done. I'll leave the code there if you want to use it later on. - 52 Pickup 10:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, that'll look good. Bongomanrae 09:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Rugbyleaguebox - extended version 

message: Ace stuff guys, today's featured article! --JRA WestyQld2 08:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it's all pretty surreal really. I've never seen so many edits (100 within 7 hours or so) being done to a rugby league page within one day ever before. Mind you, the whole lot are vandalism. Hopefully we can make this a more common thing in the coming months if we work on a few more pages. mdmanser 08:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you should get it semi protected. SpecialWindler 07:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Great work! Bongomanrae 11:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sydney Roosters]] 

message: I think this page needs another archive.
May I suggest we get a bot to do it.
SpecialWindler 21:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like MISZABOT, set to 21 days, 50000kb SpecialWindler 21:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did this on 1/6/07 (australia time). SpecialWindler 21:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: I know we've got a National Rugby League club collaboration of the fortnight (currently the Bulldogs) but I'm wondering if we can have a WP:RL collaboration of the fortnight/month on the 3 main State of Origin articles? ie: Rugby League State of Origin and the two teams, Queensland and New South Wales. There's probably more people looking at the articles now than at any other time of the year so why not take advantage of this and try our best to get all three up to good article status? Bongomanrae 04:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Part of me thinks "Jesus! After what the roosters article just went through??!!" But yeah, that could be a good idea.--Jeff79 05:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, it's been a busy time that's for sure. I think seeing the Roosters making the front page will encourage a lot of inactive WP:RL members to contribute.  Bongomanrae 06:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:RL Collaboration 

message: I review all Main Page FAs (because in the flurry of edits, it's surprising what can slip in), and a few edits to this one apparently need double checking:
*these edits made just before it went on Main Page
*A Citation needed tag addition that needs fixing ASAP
Circeus 05:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sydney Roosters]] edits to be reviewed. 

message: I'm going to go through all of our members and replace this:
with this 
If they don't have the either I'm going to add the new one. Hopefully this will spur a lot of inactive members to visit the project page and will hopefully get a few of them interested again. Any thoughts? Bongomanrae 10:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I might add the teams that they follow too (according to what they listed on the project participants page). Bongomanrae 10:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: A lot of contributors don't take kindly to others messing with their user pages. Call me old fashioned, but I'm one of them. I'd advise against this. -Sticks66 13:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad idea. You should only edit other people's user pages in very limited circumstances e.g. reverting vandalism.GordyB 13:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, I wasn't sure how doing that might be received. Bongomanrae 12:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave a note on their talk pages alerting them to a new template, and that there a team templates. It's not a bad thing to talk on somebody's talk page. SpecialWindler 08:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding userboxes to members pages 

message: will the games in the 2008 world cup count as tests? SpecialWindler 09:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: they've never counted before as Tests, they're just World Cup games. In Player articles you say (for example) Mick Cronin  played in 22 Tests and 11 World Cup matches between 1973 and 1982 -Sticks66 13:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah but apparently, the 2000 world cup was counted as tests. I'm not sure. SpecialWindler 07:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 world cup 

message: St. George Dragons has a dot in its name whilst St George Illawarra Dragons does not. If you check the logos they feature a dot and even the introduction of the page shows a dot. The Dragons' Website] has no dot in the html title but at the bottom it says "Copyright St. George Illawarra Dragons." Not even the club seems to know, but in my opinion we should move it to have the dot as per the logo. Thoughts? --mdmanser 10:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think so too.--Jeff79 16:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Just on this, if we decide to follow the logo on the Dragons, then to be consistent we'd have to remove the hyphen in Manly-Warringah as it doesn't appear in the Sea Eagles' logo.--Jeff79 02:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I wonder what's with Manly. I checked the past logos at www.galahs.com.au, and up until 2003 they used the hyphen. But since then the two logos do not feature one. I guess this is another topic for debate. --mdmanser 07:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You'd hope that efforts are made at the clubs to get the logos right. Who knows? Maybe when they're all finished and printed on everything the club's management's jumping up and down going "You forgot the damn hyphen/full stop!" But maybe we can assume that they aren't, and what they came up with on logos is intentional. In which case I think they're a solid authority for what we should use on here.--Jeff79 07:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  St George Illawarra or St. George Illawarra 

message: I have worked on this article for a while now, trying to get it up to FA
see differences
*former
*current
But I need a free pic of Karmichael Hunt.
If anybody can help out with this, it would be much appreciated.
SpecialWindler 10:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't promise anything, but I'll ask. Florrie 13:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed you had already checked Flickr without any copyright success, but I know that if you message the creator of one of those 5 or so images of Hunt on there then you can ask them to change the licence tag so you can use the image on Wikipedia. Other than that I don't think I can help out at this stage. Sorry. mdmanser 14:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The family over this way kindly gave me the address for their online albums and while there are some snaps in there of Karmichael, I don't think they would be what you are after for the article, ie playing for the Broncos. Let me know if you would like to see them anyway.Florrie 10:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karmichael Hunt 

message: I have added a manual of style for league players. SpecialWindler 09:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was contemplating doing an option to do another option like that one, but it would be better to have one manual of style, but feel free to have options, for the players. SpecialWindler 10:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  players 

message: We have been assessing alot of article lately, but there are still alot to be done, so if you come across a rugby league related article that isn't assessed.  I would probably say there are approx 2000+ articles related to rugby league on Wikipedia including
*Players
*Clubs
*Season Articles
*Junior Clubs
*Stadiums (used for major rugby league, not parks for junior footy)
*and more
The following is a category, which rugby league articles need assessing
:Category:WikiProject Rugby league template replacements
I am gradually bringing the numbers down, but it needs alot more work, please help by replaceing the current template on the talk page with the following

Thanks
SpecialWindler 11:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessing articles 

message: I've gone through each and every one of the season article infoboxes and corrected/added all relevant information that is accessible via this website: http://stats.rleague.com . There may well be one or two addition mistakes regarding points scored, attendance or games played floating around but that's not a big issue and chances are these won't be checked until a possible GA/FA candidate comes up. What I have also done more importantly is add in each and every one of the correct fields whether or not they're used on that page. I do ask that even if they are blank that they are left there for a number of reasons: so it is easy to update them in the future once information becomes available and in the event that somebody creates a new season page and uses that page's infobox as a sample. The names of the seasons should also be fine now, and "Football" should now appear in seasons 1908-1983. The only inconsistent thing is a redirect to NSWRFL which is no biggie at this stage, although that'd be good if it could be corrected sometime too.The next priority is to finish creating all NSWRL/ARL/NRL pages using the same style infobox and page structure. After that we can tidy up ladders and finals tables. Once all of that is done, then we can concentrate on consolidating textual additions and hopefully get a few articles through to FAC in the next year or so. Cheers all, mdmanser 08:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work, it must have been a long and boring process, your edits are much appreciated. SpecialWindler 10:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well it was something that had to be done. Thanks, but I have to say that yours are currently far more impressive and appreciated, as in the case of Karmichael Hunt. Quite a brilliant article really. mdmanser 11:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, SpecialWindler 22:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season Articles update 

message: As you know, I have been working on Karmichael Hunt to get to FA status
I know these following wouldn't be a free image, but do they qualify for wikipedia's non-free images. (Ps. I am not to knowlagebale of images on wikipedia so...)
2003 Australian Schoolboys Team Photo
2001 Under 15's Merit Side
2003 Australian Schoolboys Team Photo 2
All three photo's have Karmichael Hunt in them, they may qualify for wikipedia under fair use, because these would be the only photos of the time, especially the Under 15's one.
Any comments SpecialWindler 06:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are only free, if I ask the copyright holder for permission. SpecialWindler talk 03:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  karmichael hunt images