Talk:An American in Paris

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* Can link tone poem: ...shwin's time in Paris, it is in the form of an extended tone poem evoking the sights and energy of the French capi...
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* Can link French-Canadian: ...t scenes were fake and the speakers could not even pass for French-Canadian. Great care is however sometimes put into reproducing Paris... (link to section)
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Feedback: I like it, I hate it, Please don't link to — LinkBot 11:22, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the reference to French-Canadians as I consider it to be an NPOV violation when read in context with the rest of the sentence, which didn't make a lot of sense (all airport scenes in movies are, by definition, fake) and was also edited out. 23skidoo 06:05, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Link suggestions

message: I think that the movie is more notable and should get this namespace if we have to choose between them. However, I will advocate making this a disambiguation page. If no one objects, I will do this myself in a few days. savidan(talk) (e@) 03:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: If it was performed in New York State before that date, note that New York refers to the state, not the city- just since the expression I believe often means New York City premiere? Schissel | Sound the Note! 20:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[New York]] premiere 

message: The tune is unmistakable. How did it get there in 1928? I was sure it was a postwar composition. Drutt (talk) 07:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's a deep dive into this question. It seems this tune dates back to the late 19th century, specifically the 1895 operetta "Los Incocentes" by Ramón Estellés Adrián, where it is called "Machicha de Los Inocentes." Recordings have also been released under various other titles, including "La Sorella", "La Mattchiche" and "La Maxixe" Drutt (talk) 05:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Choo'n Gum

message: Hi, does the sentence "He also did the orchestration" need to be in here? For one thing, the sentence doesn't sound very formal, but the more important thing is that composers usually orchestrate their own symphonies themselves. If this were a musical or film score it would be different, or if it were a symphonic transcription of an already-existing non-orchestral work I would understand. However because he apparently did not orchestrate Rhapsody in Blue, I am having a difficult time deciding what to do with it.
Horncomposer (talk) 21:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orchestration 

message: We mention Gerard Schwarz's 1990 recording of "Gershwin's original score, before he made numerous edits resulting in the score as we hear it today".  Read at face value, that suggests the premiere occurred on December 13, 1928, after which he made a few changes having heard how it sounded.  That's a very common thing.  For example, Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony as we know it today is NOT what was played at its premiere, because after the premiere he made some changes to the score.
However, our existing source and also  p. 115 here say the changes Gershwin made were made before the premiere.  Now, all composers change their scores during the process of composition.  Beethoven's scores are replete with crossings out, second thoughts, third thoughts and so on.  Do we consider any of these intermediate jottings to be his "original version"?  No, we do not.  We accept that the whole composition doesn't just spring into their minds fully formed and perfect.  They have a germ, and they have to spend tears and sweat on it before they're happy, if they ever are.  Just because Gershwin thought he'd finished the score on November 18 doesn't preclude the possibility that he might have other thoughts before the premiere and before the work was sent to the printers.  And that's exactly what happened.
So, I question the validity of the record company marketing this recording as "the original score", but we have no say about that.  However, we do have a say about what goes into our articles.  I’d like to reword this sentence to remove reference to the "original score", and just explain in other words exactly what was recorded and what was different about it.
Does anyone have any comments before I proceed?  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 19:48, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Original score?

message: If anyone would like to replace the image of the two themes with editable, playable music using LilyPond, here's the code:

{ \time 2/4
\key f \major
\relative c {
  \acciaccatura b8\mp( c-.) d,-. e4 |
  \acciaccatura b'8( c-.) d,-. e4 | 
  \acciaccatura b'8( c-.) d,-. e-. d'-. |
  c c,16 d e4 | \acciaccatura b'8( c-.) d,-. e4 |
  \acciaccatura b'8( c_.) d,-. e-. d'-. |
  e16-. e-. e-. e-. e8-. a-. | g4->( f)
}
}


{ \time 2/4
  \clef bass
  { \partial 8 cis8->\f-\markup { \italic scherzando } |
    dis-> eis-> fis-> gis-> |
    fis-. eis4-> dis8\( | fis4 eis\) |
    \acciaccatura eis8( dis-.) cis4. ~ cis
    \acciaccatura eis8( dis-.) | cis2
  }
}

This results in:
{ \time 2/4
\key f \major
\relative c {
  \acciaccatura b8\mp( c-.) d,-. e4 |
  \acciaccatura b'8( c-.) d,-. e4 | 
  \acciaccatura b'8( c-.) d,-. e-. d'-. |
  c c,16 d e4 | \acciaccatura b'8( c-.) d,-. e4 |
  \acciaccatura b'8( c_.) d,-. e-. d'-. |
  e16-. e-. e-. e-. e8-. a-. | g4->( f)
}
}
{ \time 2/4
  \clef bass
  { \partial 8 cis8->\f-\markup { \italic scherzando } |
    dis-> eis-> fis-> gis-> |
    fis-. eis4-> dis8\( | fis4 eis\) |
    \acciaccatura eis8( dis-.) cis4. ~ cis
    \acciaccatura eis8( dis-.) | cis2
  }
}
I don't want to insert this myself because I'm not sure where in the article is the best place to put it. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:21, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice, thank you. Now, if it only were possible to reduce the size of score, this would be a good replacement. Big as it is, it needs some thought of were in the article to place it, as you mentioned. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:50, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playable examples 

message: Here is a list of archives/accessdates that I added to this article. 
Reference edited                                                                           	Actions taken
Rhapsody in Blue for Piano and Orchestra : An American in Paris                            	+archive_url, date (archived on 4 March 2016)
An American in Paris: About the Work                                                       	+archive_url, date (archived on 24 April 2014)
Have We Been Playing Gershwin Wrong for 70 Years?                                          	+archive_url, date (archived on 15 March 2016)
1929 Gershwin Taxi Horn Photo Clarifies Mystery                                            	+archive_url, date (archived on 18 March 2016)
New, critical edition of George and Ira Gershwin's works to be compiled | PBS NewsHour	+archive_url, date (archived on 4 March 2016)
The Editions » Gershwin                                                                    	+archive_url, date (archived on 4 March 2016)
Musicology Now: George and Ira Gershwin Critical Edition                                   	+archive_url, date (archived on 7 March 2016)
An American in Paris Urtext                                                                	+archive_url, date (archived on 22 December 2015)
Entertainment & the Arts | Recordings | Seattle Times Newspaper                  	+archive_url, date (archived on 3 March 2016)
--Tim1357 talk|%5D%5D%21 poke 04:41, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Archives 

message: This isn't an RM, and I'm not planning to do another RM at the moment. The statistics say that the original Gershwin composition/instrumental is less viewed than the Oscar-winning film and less slightly than the stage musical. Of course, people would say that the Gershwin piece is the "primary topic" by definition. However, how would following the "primary topic" rule, i.e. the current setup, benefit readers? How many do readers read the whole article? How many do they read just the introduction and then move on? --George Ho (talk) 10:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Analysing statistics of views