Talk:La Strada

message: Is there a reason to leave out the translation of the circus owner's name? Seems like it should be included if it is not a common name in Italian. --Ring Cinema (talk) 02:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First, he's not listed as such in the credits. Second, you don't normally translate people's names. For example, you wouldn't call Helmut Schmidt "Mr. Smith", would you? Clarityfiend (talk) 03:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unarguably you make a good observation. But if it's not a common name (and I don't know either way) then there is something lost for an English speaker not to know. Similarly with Il Matto. I assume we translate it because there is something significant in the name. --Ring Cinema (talk) 03:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what would be lost. His name has no bearing on the plot. Il Matto's different; that's his nickname, not his real name, so it has to be translated. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Il Matto has a real name? Not that we know, though. If Giraffa is not a common Italian surname it would seem to benefit from a translation in parentheses following. --Ring Cinema (talk) 05:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The translated name appears in lots of other places, so back it goes. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr Giraffe 

message: The article already cites a reliable and verifiable source (I'm a Born Liar: A Fellini Lexicon by Pettigrew) that credits the story to Fellini and Pinelli. Idem for other reliable sources such as Bondanella, Costantini, Alpert, and Kezich including a French study of La Strada by Chris Marker, F-R Bastide, and J. Caputo (Paris: Editions du Seuil, 1955). Although Fellini states in Comments on Film and Fellini on Fellini how he conceived the story, he also credits Pinelli's contribution to both the story and the screenplay. Finally, Flaiano was brought in for work on the screenplay after F. and P. finished the story so the order should be Fellini, Pinelli, and Flaiano last - just as it is in the film's credits.--Jumbolino (talk) 21:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To me all this seems obvious. --Ring Cinema (talk) 00:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story by Féfé and Tullio 

message: Smart-looking table. --Ring Cinema (talk) 17:50, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of Awards 

message: I added a section about the personal significance of this film to its director, Federico Fellini. Xela Zeugirdor (talk) 22:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work! Lugnuts (talk) 09:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Director's connection to film 

message: An editor is persisting in adding an assertion of BFI top 10 ranking without providing a source.  Ring Cinema suggests that others should provide the source for his theory. (An earlier suggested source does not justify the assertion.) He has a record for edit-warring and discourtesy.  What next? Regards Ironman1104 (talk) 23:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  BFI Top 10 Ranking 

message: Hi Ring Cinema. I may well be wrong on this but for clarity's sake, I'll outline briefly my reasoning behind the edit. This is an Italian film and therefore a European subject. If one consults the Federico Fellini article as well as those on his films, the majority of texts use logical punctuation (British) as opposed to the American style. Other examples include the Albert Speer and Samuel Beckett articles (clearly European subjects) that correctly use the British style rather than the American. 
The text in question is a quoted fragment and Wiki's MoS is clear on how it should be punctuated when using logical punctuation: 
:When dealing with words-as-words, short-form works and sentence fragments, this style places periods and commas outside the quotation marks:
:1- "Carefree", in general, means "free from care or anxiety".
:2- The name of the song was "Gloria", which many already knew.
:3- She said she felt "free from care and anxiety".
The sentence in question runs thus: 
:Fellini added that of all the imaginary beings he brought to the screen, he felt closest to the three principals of La Strada, "especially to Zampano."
Now, "especially to Zampano" is a quoted sentence fragment and based on example 3 above. In keeping with logical punctuation used in the majority of Fellini-related articles, it ought to be punctuated as follows: "especially to Zampano”. 
There are two more quoted sentence fragments in the La Strada article that should use logical punctuation as well (all the other non-fragment quotations are correctly punctuated). As I say, if I’m wrong on this, no problem. If I'm not wrong, I’ll be changing the errors in due course to comply with the majority of European/Fellini-related articles correctly using the British style. --Jumbolino (talk) 20:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You raise an important point - and a celebrated publication, I think, may shed light on the problem: the European and American editions of Damned to Fame, James Knowlson's official biography of Beckett. The British edition uses logical punctuation even when quoting American speech – and this is understandable: once a particular quotation style is adopted, it’s imposed throughout. In the Wikipedia Beckett-Speer articles, all the sentence fragments use logical punctuation even when the original fragment is an American quotation. The original American spelling, however, is retained. It would appear that what matters is to quote the fragment with precision while adopting a uniform or consistent style of quotation throughout the article. This seems to me a reasonable approach here as it avoids confusion by imposing the conformity of professional publications. Finally, the quoted fragment in question is by Fellini himself which suggests that we should use the British style in keeping with Fellini-related articles at Wikipedia. Do please let me what you think as it’s always better to reach a consensus. --Jumbolino (talk) 10:53, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

text: I'm glad we agree on using logical punctuation. The rules state: "to include within quotation marks only those punctuation marks that appeared in the quoted material but otherwise to place punctuation outside the closing quotation marks". --Jumbolino (talk) 10:06, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So in the fragments we keep the original punctuation inside the quotes. --Ring Cinema (talk) 10:50, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, but how do you know where the period is in the original? --Ring Cinema (talk) 11:47, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logical Punctuation 

message: "her affect remains flat"? What the heck is an "affect"? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for adding the link. It's a nice addition. This use of 'affect' is not so unusual and the paragraph is at only American 5th-grade level, per Flesch-Kincaid. --Ring Cinema (talk) 13:31, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not "affect"ive 

message: Ironman has started his warring again on dead subjects. For example, this simple google search corrects him. But we've already been over this months ago. --Ring Cinema (talk) 15:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  simple English 

message: I'd like to suggest changing the section titled "Filming locations" to "Filming" -- and adding some material on experiences during principal photography.  Sound OK? Jburlinson (talk) 23:56, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, sounds good to me. --Jumbolino (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filming locations -- change to "filming" 

message: In a 9/30 diff described as "cleanup", there were a couple of changes that I'm not sure I understand as useful.  First, a line that originally read "Long afterwards, in 1990, Quinn sent a note to Fellini and Masina stating: "The two of you are the highest point in my life..."  was changed to "Long afterwards, in 1990, Quinn sent a note to the director and his co-star stating: "The two of you are the highest point in my life...".  This seems ambiguous to me, since Masina was not Quinn's only co-star -- there was also Basehart.  I suppose that context might make this unlikely, but the change introduces an unnecessary degree of ambiguity, it seems to me, to no apparent purpose.  Also, the paragraph about personal significance to Pope Francis was moved to precede the paragraph concerning significance to audience members.  Why?  I'm just trying to get a sense of the thinking behind these changes, and why they should be referred to as "cleanup", as if the prior treatment was somehow disheveled or disordered.  Thanks. Jburlinson (talk) 19:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly Quinn and Masina are the major roles, and I take nothing away from Basehart. Still, he's supporting and no one would call him the star of the picture. I thought of saying "the director and his wife" but I wasn't sure they were still married and it was because she was his co-star that she was included, not because she was Fellini's wife. I moved the Pope paragraph because it is really almost trivia so I thought it better to conclude the section with Fellini's thoughts on the importance of the film as he does. I hope you agree these are improvements to the article. --Ring Cinema (talk) 00:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The changes are fine.  I think the article is getting better all the time.  Thanks for providing some insight as to your changes. Jburlinson (talk) 04:59, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all the attention you've given the article. Many important improvements. --Ring Cinema (talk) 14:09, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering, do you think the article is ready to be upgraded from "start class" on the WP Film project grading system?  In looking at some other film articles, it looks like it might be ready for consideration as a "Good Article."  What do you think?  Would it be worth proposing this?  Jburlinson (talk) 19:40, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Excellent work on the expansion. I think just the Influence section needs cleaning up (it's still essentially a trivia section), and then go for it! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:57, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: OK.  I'll take a stab at it over the next couple of days.  Thanks for the feedback. Jburlinson (talk) 20:06, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've given it a shot.  I changed the section's name from "influence" to "legacy" and added some material.  I'd appreciate any suggestions for improvement.  Thanks.Jburlinson (talk) 23:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: First paragraph of Legacy is nicely balanced, a good explanation, and really an excellent summary of the film vis-a-vis neorealism. It is not customary to put the RT numbers outside the reception section but I think it works really well here. Thanks. --Ring Cinema (talk) 02:21, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Yes, that looks much better. Nice work. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:47, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As it now stands, the article is well worth upgrading. --Jumbolino (talk) 08:41, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all the feedback and cleanup.  I'll send in a proposal for a GA review.  Fingers crossed! Jburlinson (talk) 20:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup? 

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message: The title La Strada is translated "the street".  It could also be "the road".  Both translations would be literally correct.  However, the film is very much about roads - between towns - and little about streets.  One can also say that that it is, metaphorically, about "the road of life".  The film is discussed in English as La Strada. So I propose to change "street" to "road", if there are no objections. Errantios (talk) 08:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There being no comments after a week, I have made the change. Errantios (talk) 03:37, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Strada'' = street or road