Talk:Kelly Clarkson/Archive 1

message: I don't think Kelly Clarkson is a gay icon. I think it was the work of a vandal, so I removed the "gay icon" link in the article to avoid possibility of a lawsuit. :-) Scott Gall 09:53, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: People have been adding gay icon categories left and right for a long time, actually. And no, I don't understand it either. Everyking 11:00, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Is there some definitive source that can be consulted to find out which celebrities are actual gay icons so that we don't have to trust whichever editor, possibly doing original research in violation of the policies of this site, makes such a claim? *Dan* 00:52, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay icon? 

message: What is the source for this number?  I believe there may be some confusion regarding platinum certification of sales in other countries, and of digital downloads.  Platinum certification of albums in Canada = 100,000, Australia = 70,000.  See Gold album.  Thus, according to the data here, Kelly's album sales are over 5 million US, plus 200,000+ in Canada and 140,000+ in Australia.  Total = a bit less than 5 and a half million.
Digital downloads are certified platinum at 200,000.  See Singles certification.  Platinum certifications listed here are based on a combination of singles sales in stores and digital downloads, thus making it difficult to discern actual sales figures, but it is unlikely that there is a combination of all singles sales and other unlisted overseas album sales equal to 11 and a half million. -Jmh123 16:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim of 17 million worldwide sales, singles and albums 

message: Text was edited to provide more general information about Kelly's personality and its reception by fans and the public at large. The name of her most recent boyfriend was removed (after it was posted and re-posted twice), and the comments made about her dating life have been kept to a minimum. Respecting privacy to a certain degree is the least that can be done -- seeing how Kelly (at this point atleast) continues to regard her new guy with relentless anonymity. 
If it's in the best interest of fans out there to know who she is (probably) dating, then where does the issue of "how much personal information is too much information" stand?
This section is currently disputed, revisions (and/or elimination altogether) are more than welcome to alleviate its unintentional biased phrasing. The decision to expand amongst the section text was a mere alternative to simply removing it all. - Macroctxe 04:04, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
Who is Matthew Martino?
Please note the person noted as a romantic interest to Miss Clarkson has no affiliation with her whatsoever, and should be removed. Further inquiries may be directed to Roger Widynowski, Sr. Director Of Publicity of RCA, +1-310-358-4125. --The Firm 02:48, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And it should stay removed!  ...along with the gossip editors.  Thanks for the useful info. Ladies and gentlemen, always trust...The Firm. :)  Drdr1989 04:02, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Much agreed! I'm happy that there's finally some official word on behalf of Kelly -- and for that word to come from high up the PR chain. Too much falsified information floats around, and if Kelly prefers to have her social life out of the media spotlight then so be it. Privacy = respect. - Macroctxe 22:01, 3 September 2005 (PST)
Why is Wikitino such a loser he has to keep reinserting his own name into this article? As the info has been shown to be false, at this point it would only be vandalism, and if it continues , user should be reported and banned. --The Firm 23:11, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

text: No clue, I've noticed a lot of random insertions of bogus information too, I'm assuming the non-registered users that stumble upon this page feel that they have power over the article and it's content. I'm on the same page with the 'vandalism' part, if it keeps happening, their IP"s are wide open to block. -  Macroctxe 08:30, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

message: There is no video/DVD single of MI. The release that got certified Gold was the DVD with the same name that has music videos and live performances. (Just like Kelly's latest DVD release "Behind These Hazel Eyes" is not the same as the song) OmegaWikipedia 11:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Miss Independent

message: Corrected the statement about only 2 never being in the bottom 3.  According to Simon Cowell, Clay came in #1 every week except the final vote.
:Removed the irrevalent fansite listings to be consistant with the handling of the clay aiken page. 
Michigan user 15:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved the Tours section to a more prominant placment - before the Discography and the miles and miles of listings of nominations and releases - where it essentially got lost.  Michigan user 19:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor revisions

message: Where did the information on Clarkson dueting with someone on the upcoming "Addicted" come from? The last time I was listening to the song, Clarkson was singing on her own, unless of course, the single release includes the duet. To the anon. who added the information, please cite your sources. Winnermario 20:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Duet on "Addicted"?

message: What the heck does "Career independence established" Actually MEAN??  Is this supposed to indicate that somehow she is now independant from her previous management or something??  It is rather murky.  In fact Kelly is still tied to 19E (who was just granted formal trademark rights to the "Kelly Clarkson" name 2 weeks ago), and she still owes 19 some CDs which are then sub-contracted out to RCA.  Can we change that to "Solo Career Established" which sort of indicates autonomy without misleading folks into thinking that any current relationships changed.  hmmmm - re-reading it I guess that it is trying to convey a separation from American Idol.  I still think that "Solo Career Established" is a better section heading.  Michigan user 21:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't completely agree with you, but I see where you're going with this. Winnermario 01:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I went ahead and made that change - I really think it is more meaningful this way.  Michigan user 14:52, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New heading 

message: Made some grammatical corrections and removed an excessive phrase.  Michigan user 17:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor Edits 

message: Is a report from Drudge enough to label her as such? Youngamerican 20:03, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. You could say "drudge stated" etc. though Ryan Norton T | @ | C 20:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  scientology 

message: removed:
* Having the single with the highest certification by the RIAA — quadruple platinum "Since U Been Gone".  (This is for digital download certification.  As opposed to in-store sales, for which 1,000,000 in sales is required, 200,000 digital downloads are required to certify a single platinum).
That honor belongs to Gwen Stefani (Hollaback girl) with 10X legal digital downloads 198.208.6.35 17:00, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your edits.  Might I suggest that you revert your rephrasing of one sentence?  "Clarkson is known for her bond with her fans," sounded better than "Clarkson has a nice bond with her fans".  You appear to be making positive contributions, have you given thought to signing up and creating an account?  Best regards, Hall Monitor 17:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor edits 

message: Removed:
Clarkson also covered the overnight show 3-6am at 97.6 Chiltern FM in Luton, England.
Is this a one time appearance, if so when did it happen? 209.107.225.65 17:08, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed 97.6 Chiltern FM appearance

message: Removed Fan site links, as has been enforced on other celebrity pages.  Michigan user 12:53, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There has to be rationale behind the enforcement to remove.  So far, none has been provided for this article. Further, no official policy supports removal of fan sites.  I did trim this section earlier, but the way that it is now is ias far as it should go for the moment.  Drdr1989 16:34, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The accumulation of fancruft (and linkcruft) on celebrity sites is a constant problem, with some of the links ending up being to really cheesy sites with little of interest -- either amateurish productions of teenagers, or exploitative faux-fan sites trying to get affiliate ad revenue.  I don't mind a small number of links to the most notable fan sites out there for a given celebrity, but I can understand the desire on the part of some editors to hack away brutally at the link section due to the accumulation of garbage and the difficulty of constantly checking out links to see which are actually any good. *Dan T.* 16:47, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Fan sites - again 

message: The "three" that was originally posted; i.e., before it was changed to "four", was a mistake. It should have actually read "two". "Hazel Eyes" just missed the top, thanks to a 14-week run from Mariah Carey's We Belong Together.  "Three" is the correct number as of now.  Drdr1989 00:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The "three" applies of course to her current album.  Drdr1989 16:35, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Radio hits

message: When exactly is "The latest Issue" of Pop-Star magazine??  A reference like this is almost immediately dated and a maintenance nightmare.  Can somebody either substantiate this with a link - or reword the statement.  Michigan user 21:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Reworded the sentence so that it would not become immediately outdated. Michigan user 02:26, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Latest Issue

message: I'm tagging this article for cleanup because I think it delves into too much detail. There is a lot of excess trivia about music videos for Clarkson's singles, her concert tours and the awards and nominations she has received. I suggest moving the "Awards and nominations" section into a List of Kelly Clarkson awards and nominations article or something (and noting in the edit summary that it came from this article), trimming the "Tours" section and merging it with the appropriate earlier sections about her career (the "UK chart performance" can be merged also), and removing the "Videography" section entirely and placing the information in the relevant single articles. Also, the article could do with references, but that is a secondary concern. Extraordinary Machine 14:35, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, there seem to be a lot of short, one-line paragraphs that could be merged with neighbouring ones. Thanks! Extraordinary Machine 14:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't disagree with this tagging. I understand the desire of the fan editors to include all of the minute details, but it doesn't really fit with the spirit of a general encyclopedia, which is what Wikipedia is supposed to be. - Shadowhillway 18:00, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the cleanup tag is appropriate; I attempted to reformat the entire article, but an anonymous user interrupted my edit by interfering with additional useless information. The edit conflict could not be corrected and I lost all of my edits — which took over forty-five minutes to complete. If anything, this article requires a block that will not allow anonymous users to edit. I am rather infuriated with what occurred, and something has to be done. --Hollow Wilerding 19:28, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tag 

message: Is she actually Greek? Her parents name are very non-Greek (mother's name "Jeanne Ann Rose"). All the references to Clarkson say she's "Greek/Irish/German", and all no doubt stem from the IMDB, who I wouldn't trust with that kind of information. Too many little tidbits from the IMDB, which are not even close to being correct, have been copied-pasted-and redistributed across the net. I think this might be another one. Does anyone have a good source for this? Like an in-depth interview or something that didn't come from the IMDB?
24.141.147.6 02:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Greek-Irish-German ?

message: Anonymous users have been editing the article and adding the fifth single from Breakaway; unfortunately, it appears as though an edit war became of this, as both "Gone" and "Walk Away" were argued over Clarkson's next single. However, according to Billboard, "Gone" will be the fifth single release from Breakaway in North America, owing Clarkson the treatment of releasing each single in chronological order. 
—Hollow Wilerding 02:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The single release date is wrong for "Walk Away" as the record is already receiving tons of airplay now.  You gave the "release date" as January 18th?? Drdr1989 06:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fifth single release