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Talk:Le Bourgeois gentilhomme

message: I struggle with French capitalisation conventions.  Why would an adjective (Bourgeois) be capitalised but the noun to which it refers (gentilhomme) not be? — Jack of Oz [your turn] 03:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Different countries capitalize — and spell — differently. My French is weak-to-very-weak, but I have a friend in Brussel whom I just e-mailed your question. — Robert Greer (talk) 15:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've referred the question to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2011 April 19#French capitalisation of adjectives and nouns in titles.  The discussion is ongoing, but the information so far strongly suggests that any translation that assumes, as I did, that "Bourgeois" is an adjective and "gentilhomme" is a noun, is 180 degrees wrong.  It's not about a gentleman who happens to be bourgeois; it's about a member of the Bourgeoisie who happens to be a gentleman – a gentlemanly bourgeois, if you like, not a bourgeois gentleman.  Hard to express that in English, I know.  This will, or should, have some ramifications for our article.  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 21:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Drama in their list of works by Molière capitalizes it as Le bourgeois gentilhomme and translate it as The Bourgeois Gentleman. Grove Music Online and The New Grove Dictionary of Opera capitalize it the same (but do not translate). The usual Wikipedia policy is to follow the practice found in standard English sources. --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  The word "gentilhomme" is a noun (see here), while "bourgeois" is used as either an adjective or a noun (see here). The McGraw-Hill tranlation would seem to be OK. --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalisation

message: There is only one translation of the title of this play that I have seen at all commonly, and that is "The Would-be Gentleman". Yet (bizarrely, it seems to me) that is not among the translations mentioned in the lede.JBritnell (talk) 14:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation
Talk:Pièces de Clavecin

message: Shouldn't the title of this article be 'Pièces de Clavecin (Rameau)'?  It's a generic title for a book of harpsichord music - hundreds and hundreds of composers published books entitled 'Pièces de Clavecin' - Couperin's four, for instance.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.235.252 (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Couperin's are arguably more famous. There needs to be a disambig. 86.129.204.146 (talk) 21:51, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: I reverted the edit from 04:25, 23 June 2012‎ which changed "A minor" to "A major" on the first Nouvelle Suite because it was incorrect (and unsubstatiated). I am listening to the first Nouvelle Suite right now and it begins and ends in A minor.  Some of the inner movements (3,6,7) are in A major but I think it is unnecessary to say "Suite in A minor/A major" because the key of a larger work is generally indicated as the key in which it begins and ends.  The second Nouvelle Suite also mixes major and minor but is called "Suite in G major/G minor" here presumably because it begins in G major but ends in G minor which makes a single designation for the key ambiguous.
The designation here of "Suite in D major" for the second suite in the 1724 book is also problematic.  The first, sixth, eighth, and last movements are in D minor but the other 6 movements are in D major.  How should it be labeled (if at all)?  (I am not changing it because I don't have a source and because either label of "D minor" or "D major" seems misleading). 
On another note:  the sources that I have access to (the Dover edition of the music score and the listings/notes from a couple of recordings) do not divide the pieces in the 1724 and 1726 books into two suites per book as this Wikipedia article does.  Perhaps Rameau did not label them as such.  However, the liner notes by Clemens Romijn (2009) for the Pieter-Jan Belder recording do state that "each [book] contains a pair of suites contrasted both in tonality and in character."  -- AThornyKoanz (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The key designations for Suites
Talk:Bourrée in E minor

message: Isn't "This Jesus Must Die" from Jesus Christ Superstar also based on Bourrée in E minor or do I remember it wrong?85.225.123.250 (talk) 18:21, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus Christ Superstar 

message: Ought to mention that Jethro Tull's rendition changes the beat?  And if anyone else on the list adopted that innovation? —Tamfang (talk) 09:01, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stand Up
Category talk:Chess players by nationality

message: I've created a section on the WikiProject chess talk page to discuss how we should categorize Soviet chess players within :Category:Chess players by nationality.  I'm interested in what you think, so I invite you to weigh in with your views at WT:CHESS if you like.  Quale 05:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classifying Soviet chess players
Talk:Italian Concerto (Bach)

message: The current translation of "Concerto nach Italienischem Gusto" is "Concerto after the Italian taste".  While "nach" is usually translated as "after", this usually refers to time, eg "I'll meet you after work" is "Ich werde Dich nach der Arbeit treffen".  In this case, I believe it should be "in the Italian taste" or perhaps "according to the Italian taste".
I will change the article.  If this is incorrect, please update and add a comment here least the issue come around again.
--Wantnot (talk) 10:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct translation of "nach Italienischem Gusto" 

message: # Brendel recorded the Italian Concerto for Philips, not Decca.  Decca only reissued the recording after In 1999, Philips Classics was absorbed into the Decca Records Group.   https://www.discogs.com/master/309070-Bach-Alfred-Brendel-Concerto-Italien-BWV-971-Fantaisie-Chromatique-Et-Fugue-BWV-903 Philips Records#Compact disc era
# At least the recordings by Glenn Gould and Angela Hewitt should be mentioned
# There have been arrangements and orchestrations of the concerto, including Jazz ones, for example: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8617734--js-bach-goldberg-variations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf7-DER93Ww  https://www.discogs.com/release/3696402-Jacques-Loussier-Trio-The-Best-Of-Play-Bach
# I believe the above comment about "Concerto after the Italian taste" is correct, but not incorporated.
AK2022 (talk) 09:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, EMI included a 1935 and 1936 (for different movements) recording by Wanda Landowska on a CD "J.S. Bach Goldberg Variations, Italian Concerto, Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue" as part of its "Great Recordings of the Century" series. 2601:188:CC80:8020:EDF3:D1D8:6498:7863 (talk) 21:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performances
Talk:Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227

message: Sorry, can you explain that? Even if BD omits the comma, that is poor style. Jmar67 (talk) 10:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: See . I suggest, for these references, to not add a comma to the actual title of the web page at the Bach Digital website. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crippled links 

message: on an unrelated matter: the GA approval came, on my talk page, with an invitation to make a DYK for the article. I won't be doing that for this one. If you (or anyone else) would be interested in doing so, feel free. Just don't mention me as contributor in the DYK proposal (for my credits score). --Francis Schonken (talk) 17:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixing the ping above. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  23:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Why not? - You could nominate for FAC now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why not what? I think me not liking to see my DYK credits score increase further is self-explanatory. Re. FAC: imho this is far from ready for FAC, for instance the rather haphazard ref formatting would make little chance to pass FAC unscathed, and that is only one of many things: others I'm thinking of include the Picardy third ending of the third movement (not even mentioned leave alone a source for it); the far from perfect image for the fifth movement; less than perfect overview of performances and recordings history, etc, etc. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: DYK & FAC prospects
Talk:List of fugal works by Johann Sebastian Bach

message: There's a lot of free media by Bach in the Johann Sebastian Bach article. I think it would be good to somehow incorporate it into this article but I'm not sure about the best way of formatting the media files. There are some fugal works in the suites by Bach which are not labelled as such - for example the  sounds fugal to me. Graham87 13:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media
Talk:List of songs and arias by Johann Sebastian Bach

message: BWV 451 redirects here, not landing on the specific number but at the header. That seems not helpful to the reader. I belive that if we have background information about texts, we should have a way to link there, in this case Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne. Ideas? It seems to work for Jesu, meines Glaubens Zier. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The link to the Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne article will be via the Zahn number in the table. I'm working on it, but it's a bit more complex this time, needing a somewhat more complex update of the hymn article than usual. The article mentions two melodies thus far: the melody in Schemellis Gesangbuch is neither, and there are still a few more melodies than these three. --Francis Schonken (talk) 18:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are welcome to add these. I thought saying Bach set the text indicates that it is a different melody. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, he used a pre-existing melody (published in 1708). --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirects
Talk:List of transcriptions of compositions by Johann Sebastian Bach

message: I read "transcribed a variety of Bach works, including ... and Movement 2 of Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12 (also the same as the Crucifixus from the Mass in B minor BWV 232) for piano, and Movement 3 of the Violin Sonata in C minor, BWV 1017, the same music mentioned above from Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12, the Introduction and Fugue from Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis, BWV 21, and the Andante from Aus tiefer Not schrei ich zu dir, BWV 38 for Organ or Harmonium". I dropped "the melody of" BWV 12 because there is hardly a melody, he used mostly the passacaglia bass. Where is an "Introduction and Fugue" in BWV 21? Where is an "Andante" in BWV 38? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Precision 

message: I think that the title of the article is misleading. I expected a (more or less) complete list of transcriptions of the works of J.S.B. However, this is more a summary and "notable" transcriptions by, for example, Raff and Cailliet are omitted. I would suggest to either change the title of the article by deleting "List of", or actually making a list of transcriptions.Joris Peters (talk) 23:00, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading Title
Talk:Fugue in G minor, BWV 578

message: It's my understanding, and there may be a consensus (for example, most of the scholarly editions such as Bärenreiter or Breitkopf & Härtel) that Bach didn't provide subtitles to any of his Praeludia or Fugues, including this one; the designation "Little" was probably added later. 71.243.80.99 13:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The subtitle is certainly not by Bach. --81.173.169.121 06:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, so I am removing the word Little from the title and other references to it, and adding it as "Little" after the title.RGB2 (talk) 05:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Subtitle

message: What does this sentence mean: This piece is mathematical and precise. --81.173.169.121 06:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Mathematical?''

message: Hebrew wikipedia's page about bach's works 
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%AA_%D7%99%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%91%D7%90%D7%9A_(%D7%A8%D7%99%22%D7%91)
claims that this piece is fake. anyone knows about that by chance?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.112.247 (talk) 01:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake? 

message: Yes the section on media is not necessary, as in many other Wikipedia articles. But many people hear pieces like this one in media and wonder what they are, and probably never hear them in the way they were meant to be heard. Better would be to include analysis and historical context for this piece, but few people can write about such matters, and few can understand them. Countersubjects? Stretto? Exposition? Imitation? Episodes? Counterpoint? Polyphony? What should be added to this article, and many other musical ones like it?RGB2 (talk) 06:40, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances in media
Talk:Orchestral suites (Bach)

message: (After composer's death, that is...) The many recordings and concert performances of these works now contrasts somehow with their slow history of discovery- a score of the B minor suite (edited by Emil Eck) was greeted in a 1946 journal not as a long-known friend but as a newfound companion () - then there's always Mahler's Bach suite, and they were in the Bach Complete Works...- probably earlier (than Mahler's attempt to popularize this, by inclusions of etc.) performances of course of these four suites but many? Not sure. Schissel | Sound the Note! 00:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performance history of suites 

message: One of the samples MP3 is incomplete.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.75.144.221 (talk) 16:23, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overture (Suite) No. 3 in D major, BWV 1068: II. Air, "Air on the G String" 

message: The article describes the 4 suites as a set, which is supported by the consecutive opus numbers. Further, Orchestral Suites is in title case, both in the article's title and in the first line of the lead. If Orchestral Suites were not the title of the set (i.e., if the term was merely descriptive), the article's title would be Orchestral suites (Bach) and the first mention would be orchestral suites (all lower case). Since Orchestral Suites is used as a title, the scope of the collection dictates italic rather than quotation marks.—Finell 01:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Bach's orchestral suites are summarized in the title, but four separate pieces. In a concert, you will typically hear one, there's no "title" of the four together. Not even the "title" of a single suite is by Bach. I would indeed prefer Orchestral suites (Bach), like Piano sonatas by Ludwig van Beethoven and Brandenburg concertos. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the page ought to be moved to Orchestral suites (Bach) and that the lead be changed accordingly. The sequence of BWV numbers doesn't mean anything at all; the four works are most definitely not a cycle or a set. The original title by User:FordPrefect42 in July 2006 was correct and the move by User:Ocean Shores in August 2010 was mistaken. Unfortunately, the move back will require a formal lodgement at Wikipedia:Requested moves. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

text: *"supported by the consecutive opus numbers" only means anything whatsoever and at all when the composer assigns the opus numbers, rather than a librarian and musicologist working 2 centuries (1950) after Bach's death. ELSchissel (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: "Bach first added these parts when adapting the Ouverture movement for the choral first movement to his 1725 Christmas cantata" - this is a circular assumption. The suite movement may be an arrangement of the cantata first movement (barring evidence not mentioned to the contrary), so this does not establish or even suggest a pre-1726 date. ELSchissel (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rifkin
Talk:Siege of Cusco

message: Hi, I asked an expert on allexperts.com, and he refered his knowledge to a book which can be found here: 
Anyway, I'm going to buy the book and hopefully end the 'cleanup' status this article has. Here's our discussion: - User:InternetHero 02:02 21, May 2007 (UTC)
:Turns out he was lying. I didn't post the info anyway. InternetHero (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dictionary of Wars

message: I'm just going to make a note thst the Hemming refrence is duly noted in the article. For better clarity, I propose syncronizing the note numbers.InternetHero (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a good idea as each footnote refers to a different page or pages. --Victor12 (talk) 03:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hemming reference
Talk:Schübler Chorales

message: Shouldn't some notice be taken of Albert Schweitzer's comments on these chorales in his biography of Bach (1906, in French)? There Schweitzer, an excellent and well-informed organist, dismisses them: "They offer no interest" (p. 180). Further on he says, "I cannot understand what could have pushed Bach to make this publication." To say that they are "an approachable version of the music of the cantatas" as this article does seems only to damn with faint praise... GianniBGood (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schweitzer versus Schübler
Talk:St Luke Passion, BWV 246

message: Hi  I am assuming that these sources are indeed intended for backing up the body in the German article, which would make it useful material for the reader. However, that peculiar penchant they have at deWP for treating inline cites as fluffy optional extras does make it no more than an assumption. I wonder how that habit got so entrenched in that project. Eh well, an jedm so wiars ihm gfreit :/  --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe they are the base for the German article, but I don't see much use for an English reader, these facts not only in a foreign language but also offline. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: According to the Bach-Jahrbuch 2010, the St Luke Passion was first performed in 1732, not 1730, which was instead the year of the performance of the third version of the St John Passion. These claims are supported by Bach Digital. Anonymous7002 (talk) 19:50, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  First performance in 1732?
Talk:List of keyboard and lute compositions by Johann Sebastian Bach

message: See: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music#Proposed renaming for Harpsichord concertos (J. S. Bach) --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Now found at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music/Archive 52#Proposed renaming for Harpsichord concertos (J. S. Bach). — Eru·tuon 17:42, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed renaming  

message: Why have compositions including other instruments besides keyboard been added to this page (sonatas for violin and keyboard, viola da gamba and keyboard, trio sonatas for violins and keyboard, Brandenburg concertos, etc.)? As far as I know, "solo keyboard" means for keyboard alone. Have these works been arranged for keyboard, or is "solo keyboard" being understood in the sense of a concerted work with solo passages for keyboard? — Eru·tuon 04:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See last paragraph of List of solo keyboard compositions by Johann Sebastian Bach#Introduction. The distinction is keyboard as (part of the) continuo (not included in this list, would for instance include most of the cantatas), and on the other hand keyboard solo or as soloist, alone or on equal par (e.g. "cembalo obbligato" for the sonatas) with other soloists (included in this list). "Soloist" among other instruments only included in the second half of the list (not part of the traditional "solo" range BWV 772–994). "Solo" and "soloist" can not really be separated in that second half of the list, for example for BWV 1061a, BWV 1079 and BWV 1080. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see the distinction you're making. I as a player of what I would consider Bach solo keyboard music (meaning the Well-tempered Clavier, French and English suites, Partitas, Italian Concerto, inventions, Goldberg Variations) was somewhat confused by the title — I have played nothing that requires other participants since I play on my own for myself, and what I play is therefore as "solo" as is possible, even excluding the use of the feet since I don't have an organ. Your terminology may be what is actually used for the pieces, since I know only what I've played. Thanks for the explanation. Maybe the introduction can be rewritten to make the meaning more explicit, if others will be as confused as I was — or maybe it's just me. — Eru·tuon 08:07, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solo? 

message: Has there been any effort, or could there be, to make these sortable by date of composition?  I have seen on some wiki pages a table where every column has a "sort by" button.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carhutt (talk • contribs) 15:46, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sort by date? 

message: Imho, the intro of this article needs a rewrite, and particularly much trimming. It should explain the listing as presented, not elaborate on variant theories with little relation to the listing as such. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:50, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro
Talk:Frühlingsstimmen

message: If George Jellinek was correct, the instrumental version of this piece (far more often performed than the vocal) came first, the words (which he described as "barely acceptable"), later.  Anybody know?  Kostaki mou (talk) 22:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to a note on the first page of the score in the Eulenberg Edition (see http://imslp.org/wiki/Fr%C3%BChlingsstimmen,_Op.410_(Strauss_Jr.,_Johann), the vocal version is indeed the original.  Kostaki mou (talk) 22:27, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instrumental Version
Talk:Kaiser-Walzer

message: There were English lyrics attached to this melody for the 1946 Bing Crosby movie, The Emperor Waltz.  Saturday Night Live once did a short film of Phil Hartmann and Jan Hooks dancing and supposedly singing this (altho, the voice sounded very much like Crosby's), which was replayed at on-air tributes when both died. Sussmanbern (talk) 18:09, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Talk:Tritsch-Tratsch-Polka

message: I wonder if it is worth also linking back to his Operetta 'Die Fledermaus'. Tritsch-Tratsch-Polka appears in Act 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RPMeyer (talk • contribs) 15:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it? Source? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: According to Petroc Trelawny, narrating the Vienna New Year concert just now, this was named after a satirical magazine. This is supported by  and elaborated on at . Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:15, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magazine