Talk:Storm (Marvel Comics)/Archive 1

message: I removed the following from the article because I really don't think RPG stats belong in Wikipedia. Since large numbers of these "vital stats" sections have been added to various articles, I'm using Talk:Strength level (comics) to discuss this issue in general. Bryan 08:29, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: It seems to me that many people are editing this article and removing information without giving reason as to why they believe their edits are justified.  The talkpage is supposed to be where we can all agree as to what the content of the page will be and edit accordingly.  Please list or attempt to explain why some content should be added or taken away in future posts.
63.249.112.124 03:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes/History

message: I just put in that Halle Berry quite/got fired (??) due to a complaint by her about her little screen time.
:Unfortunately, we're still stuck with her as of now, and I assume it's permanent. Rattlerbrat 14:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Storm no longer played by Halle Berry

message: Does anyone know anything about this that would be worth contributing beyond that they met when she was dating Forge?
Gambit and Storm shared a kiss in "Intifada," the X-Treme X-Men trade paperback, I think it was volume 6. A romantic link between these two has always been implied, but not typically acted on.Cee 00:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She's had romantic links with other characters as well. She's been in relationships with both Wolverine and Nightcrawler recently. --DrBat 01:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

text: The Storm/Gambit "relationship" first started out after Gambit found the de-aged Storm when she was robbing homes. I believe she had gotten in over her head with one owner and Gambit helped her out and became her partner of sorts. Soon after, Storm rejoined with the X-Men and Gambit came along with her. Their relationship has seen a kiss or two in its time, but it generally has not passed beyond that. I believe their relationship rests as a friendly brother/sister relationship. Assuming she has not found out of Gambit's betrayal in recent issues. I believe, however, that Forge believed Ororo was dead when the X-Men were stationed in Australia. So Gambit and Storm did not meet when she was dating Forge. 68.51.57.237 18:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Gambit]] Romance

message: Classic X-Men#20 has narration stating that "Mother Nature---Mother Earth, the mother of us all---is the only other parent you [Storm] have acknowledged....". So Storm does worship Gaea, who is Mother Earth.
"However, whether people believe her to be real or not, when they refer to Mother Nature or Mother Earth, they are speaking about Gaea."
http://web.archive.org/web/20041021224953/http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-gaea.html
Enda80 20:43, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because Storm believes in an earth-mother deity doesn't mean that that deity exists, or if it does, that that deity is Gaea. -Sean Curtin 05:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: It is Gaea

message: 'She is the aunt of the X-Man, Evan Daniels aka Spyke and a member of the staff at the Xavier Institute. This has confused many fans as to how she could be an orphan and still have a brother or sister in order to have a nephew'
I'm not sure if there's some additional information that's been left out which would explain why Storm having a sibling is confusing for many fans. Either that information should be added to the entry, or the confused fans part should be removed. After all, being an orphan does not mean that you're an only child. Doc Meroe 03:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances in other media 

message: In the X-Men Evolution universe, Spyke is her nephew, but not in the standard universe.  I think the section Notable Relatives needs to be changed either to omit Spyke or to explain that it is in an alternate universe.WikiFew 04:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relation to Spyke 

message: Storm could also be based on the goddess Oya, who controls storms, tornados, and lightning. Oya and Ororo sound vaguely similar. AncientNova 04:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another possible origin 

message: "The unbelievably beautiful african-american actress Halle Berry plays her in the recent film series." ... ahem. She very well may be, but that's hardly objectively verifiable. Changed to "The well known.." instead. This minor POV stuff nerves on my get. ~kappisto 17:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unbelievably beautiful actress? 

message: "She may be the first black, female superhero and remains the most popular." - Can someone find out whether or not she was? Either way, saying she remains the 'most popular' deserves citation. - IstvanWolf 16:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After some research here on Wikipedia, Misty Knight seems to be one of the first along with Storm. Misty first had a name in Jan 1975 while Storm first showed up in May 1975. I believe both appeared prior to that in nameless cameo roles. Storm, however, has been much more regular in comics than Misty Knight, who has very rarely present. So I believe an accurate wording would be to say that she was one of the first major black, female superheroes. 68.51.57.237 21:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  first? 

message: In Black Panther (4th Series) issue #21 Storm has been confirmed to be a possible Omega-Level Mutant by Iron Man on the last page of the comic.  Iron Man made this statement in his instructions to the sentinels to be on guard as Black Panther and Ororo visit the President of U.S.
63.249.112.84 20:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Omega

message: After reviewing the classification stats from the omega-level mutant page, I thought it would be intresting to note here that in an alternate reality, it was Storm and not Jean Grey who merged with the Phoenix Force entity after piloting the space craft from orbit.  Storm's body was placed in a healing coccoon and submerged under the Hudson bay.  Phoenix-Storm arose from the bay and quickly did away with most super-villains on Earth by freezing them in the atmosphere.  When it was realized that the original Storm was in a coccoon, Phoenix-Storm was disperesed and flew off into the galaxy.  Storm did not survive the ordeal (similar to Phoenix-Jean Grey).  It may be later revealed that Storm was resurected like her counter-part (Jean Grey) in the main marvel universe.  (See http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=76&page=12).  One of the requirements of Omega-level was the potential to become a Phoenix.
63.249.112.124 03:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate Reality Phoenix

message: Per the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Proliferation of Ultimate character articlesWP:COMIC talk page, Ultimate character entries should be merged into the character's main article.--Chris Griswold 05:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Merge--Chris Griswold 05:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Has Storm ever delved into the magic side of her heritage besides in the Magik limited series? I vaguely remember reading something about the "witches" in her family being born with white hair and blue eyes. Artemisboy 21:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ororo's Witch Heritage 

message: The "fictional biography" part -- which is roughly half the article -- is unfortunately poorly sourced, and also treats fiction as fact and gives a firmly in-universe and thus very undesirable account. It is a clear violation of WP:WAF, and it is consensus on WP:CMC that every character profile must be grounded in reality. "Fictional biographies" should be replaced with "publication history", thus starting in the real-life year of 1975 in Storm's case, and not with some fictional account of the Six Day War. This article would be drastically improved if the author(s) could:
*Start with the real-life year 1975, and give a strictly chronological account of Storm
*Name the comic in which Storm does this and that
*Name the author who wrote that arc
*Name the year in which it took place
*Name if some editorial decision was behind some plot development (source plz)
For a positive example, see e.g. Superman, especially Superman#Publication_history. I do not expect Storm's article to become THAT good, but I am sure that it could be much better with only a little effort. -- Onomatopoeia 21:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also we should note that she is anamalgamtion of several characters Dave Cockrum created for Legion os Super-Heroes. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 22:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I started to rewrite this article, and plan to merge / phase out the "fictional bio" part. BTW, do you have a source for that statement? I would like to include it, but need a citation. Onomatopoeia 19:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes:  --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 21:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks. Onomatopoeia 10:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Really in need of cleanup

message: I hacked out this part out of the article, as it violates WP:WAF and the consensus of WP:CMC, and is hopefully made redundant by the new "publication history" section. It is well written, and I hope to merge a good bit into it, it just has to be changed to represent a real-life view. -- Onomatopoeia 10:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hacked-out fictional bio

message: The article says that her relationship with T'Chalia is a retcon, but I remember reading towards the end of Uncanny X-Men Annual 2 or 3 (the one where she is kidnapped by Arkon because of her lightning powers, and they develop feelings for each other - this was sometime in the late 70's) a brief passage about love where she mentions a long-ago relationship with T'Chalia. Am I wrong about that? --JamesB3 00:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added some facts. The writers say they based it on Marvel Team-up #100 (1980)  , and even in THAT story, it is already a flashback / retcon . —Onomatopoeia 12:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: No, it is not a retcon. The meeting and story are a retcon, but Storm and Black Panther have always kept in touch and had a relationship. The statement that it is based on one story is 100% false. LoomisSimmons 03:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is her relationship with Black Panther a retcon? 

message: --SeizureDog 08:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I point out that it was because of the lack of fair use licensing of images, not because of the article itself. I'll work on it. —Onomatopoeia 09:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just revised the pics and got the green light from SeizureDog, so now attempt nr. 2 —Onomatopoeia 11:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I'm bummed to lose the Cockrum design of Storm (I don't think his influence on her initial look or popularity can be discounted), I admit it was of fairly wonky fair use clarity. The Giant-Size X-men #1 cover (which features Cockrum's inks) is a reasonable substitute.--Erikacornia 23:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quick-fail

message: This is a good article so far from what I can see. I plan to review it in full but I'm putting it on hold for several days to sort out one thing: citation method. Citations should go directly after any form of punctuation. I'll give editors time to sort this out. Wiki-newbie 19:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just finished modifying using WP:FOOT. I also want to point out that this page is stable despite a number of recent edits; the last 30-odd edits were mostly about formal stuff concerning correct referencing, thus practically no content editing.—Onomatopoeia 13:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Started to do this, now it should be better. —Onomatopoeia 16:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, plus some additional NPOV and misc copyedit. —Onomatopoeia 14:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA on hold 

message: *Well written: Pass. (Certainly I'm more interested in Storm as an X-Man now)
*Factually accurate: Pass.
*Broad: Pass.
*Neutral: Fail. Pass.
*Stable: Pass. (Well, all comics articles expand due to the character's longeveity, but...)
*Images: Pass.
Now neutrality is a problem for the following passage:
In the early eighties, remarkable adventures of Storm written by Claremont included fighting the parasitic Aliens-inspired aliens called the Brood, in which Storm is infected with a Brood egg and contemplates suicide, but then experiences a last-minute save by the benign Acanti aliens.[8] Furthermore, in the Morlocks story line of 1983, in Uncanny X-Men #170 (June 1983), Storm fights super-strong mutant Callisto for the leadership of the disfigured mutants, beats her by impaling her through the heart and almost kills her.[9] Please axe the remarkable, we're not here to praise Claremont.
Once this is done, I shall award the GA. Wiki-newbie 12:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, plus some additional NPOV and misc copyedit. —Onomatopoeia 14:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment so far

message: Keep up the good work: and may this become a model for Out-of-universe Comic book character articles. Peer review it first before FAC: I have my own suggestions too. Wiki-newbie 14:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA awarded

message: Substituted at 22:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment