Talk:Ulmus americana

message: One of the hardest-to-answer but frequently-asked questions about a given species of plant is whether it is monoecious or dioecious - that is, whether one plant grows both male and female flowers or if there are separate male-only and female-only plants. This article does not say which the American Elm is, but would be immensely more helpful if it did since this is such a hard-to-find fact. I don't know, otherwise I would have added the information right now. --Edward Tremel 17:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Monoecious - as far as I'm aware, all elms are - MPF 23:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's still not on the actual article, so I'll go add it. --Edward Tremel 18:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Monoecious or Dioecious

message: I just noticed that this talk page now has the Wikiproject Texas template on it...why? American Elms aren't especially native to Texas (I don't know if they even grow there). I'd just delete it but I might just be missing something and wouldn't want to mess something up. --Edward Tremel 00:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a bot add, now deleted.Jacksinterweb (talk) 21:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Texas??

message: The picture labeled Elm Bark is not an American Elm tree.  I have three different reference books that I looked it up in, and that bark looks nothing like an American Elm.  Look here for a comparison, and you'll see that the current one on the American Elm page on wikipedia is wrong.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.45.116.201 (talk) 13:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. It appears to be the bark of slippery elm (https://www.uwgb.edu/biodiversity/herbarium/trees/ulmrub_bark01.jpg), but possibly also rock elm (http://www.uoguelph.ca/arboretum/thingstosee/trees/images/dscn4382.jpg). If nobody objects then I can go out and take a photos of trees i know to be ulmus americana (can provide proof also). AustralianElm (talk) 10:13, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bark picture is not an American Elm 

message: Within the cultivars section of this article, there are now photos of the same street (Grant Crescent, Canberra, Australia) in two separate seasons (autumn, winter). Do people think this is excessive? I would like this article to have a series of photos showing a planting of american elms in each of the four seasons. Admittedly, such photos would ideally be from North American locations (Winnipeg, MB would be ideal). I'm interested in people's thoughts on these two issues. AustralianElm (talk) 08:33, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple photos of the same street scene/multiple seasons 

message: While a teenager in 1970s southeastern Minnesota, there were three young elms (approx trunk widths 8") on the hillside behind our house. They were close to each other (~5ft apart) in a line, and all the same height, possibly indicating the same original parent's wind-blown seeds. They all caught Dutch Elm at the same time and struggled against it for several years. The two at the ends of the line eventually died. The one in the middle continued in a weakened state for several more years, periodically losing entire branches. Eventually it fought off the disease, and is now a healthy large tree with no lingering signs of affliction.
If anyone is interested and provides a contact source, I will provide the exact location of this tree.
Elms in southeastern Minnesota and surrounding environs are basically weeds (moving from the country to the city, it has always amazed me that people go to nurseries to buy saplings for dozens or hundreds of dollars when they could just walk around their own neighborhood to locate a seedling sprouting in an alleyway): They will grow extremely fast (in some cases adding six to ten feet of height in their 3rd year) when colonizing an open area during a hot and rainy summer, and can begin producing their own seeds in as little as four or five years. Compared to slow-maturing oaks, elms reproduce like viruses. Basically there's no reason to assume the species is at long-term risk from the disease, at least not in this state, as all susceptible trees have already contracted it and died years ago, and were quickly replaced by ones that aren't. Evolution-in-action.--Froglich (talk) 12:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's hope you're right :) AustralianElm (talk) 10:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of a Dutch Elm resistant or immune tree 

message: This article appears very well written.
But since elm trees can be very susceptible to Dutch Elm Disease, it would be very helpful if someone could quantify the extent of the damage done by the disease (by a given date), just so readers can have some perspective on this problem. 2601:200:C000:1A0:3D3B:D14D:B7F6:5E9F (talk) 21:43, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question 

message: Why is this article at Ulmus americana when WP:AT has an actual specific example that you would name an article "Guinea pig (not: Cavia porcellus)"? Sure I get that a lot of species don't have common names cos they are not spoken of or written of lay people much, but that doesn't apply to American Elms. Am I missing something here, or should we rename the article? Herostratus (talk) 01:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Editors opposing the move referred to WP:FLORATITLES; editors support the move referred to WP:COMMONNAME.
The former was not effectively rebutted; editors tried to rebut the later by noting that scholarly results preferred the current title, but this was in turn rebutted by editors who noted that the preference among scholarly results was insignificant.
Overall, the strength of argument on both sides is roughly equal, with a dispute over which policy is controlling we defer to the number of editors in support of each position, but here we also find that the numbers are roughly equal. As such, this proposal cannot be closed as anything other than no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 19:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ulmus americana →  – American Elm is the common name, as shown by this Google Ngram. This is a general-audience publication. And I mean WP:AT itself gives as an example "[Use]  Guinea pig (not: Cavia porcellus)" and this looks quite a similar case. Herostratus (talk) 05:44, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

text: *So you think "Ulmus americana" is the more common and most understood name for the American Elm? Maybe consider that the consensus is mistaken, especially if Ulmus americana is touted as the common name of the elm. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:44, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *No, but WP:COMMONNAME is not the only thing to consider in titling articles. The article common name is about non-scientific names for organisms. Many articles on technical subjects in various fields do not use the "more common and most understood name" as the title, but aren't subjected to move requests to less precise or consistent titles because common name isn't being equated with WP:COMMONNAME for those fields. Viagra redirects to Sildenafil, kneecap redirects to patella, Sherman tank redirects to M4 Sherman. The Heart (Pluto) redirects to Tombaugh Regio. Polemonium viscosum lists 4 vernacular names, with redirects for two of them and links from disambiguation pages for the other two. If you want to use a vernacular name for the title of that article, how do you decide which one to use? Plantdrew (talk) 16:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: please read the WP:FLORATITLES guideline—blindlynx 21:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: Relisting for further discussion of WP:CONSISTENT vs WP:COMMONNAME BilledMammal (talk) 11:11, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: This was closed by me, and has been reopened per T/P request Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 17:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Plants has been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 09:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 25 June 2023