Talk:Negative income tax

message: I wonder whether  was too quick in rejecting ’s additions. An editor is expected to understand what he or she reads and to paraphrase it rather than copying and pasting, and this surely implies that he or she can recognise its subject matter. In the present field the terminology is so unsettled that requiring a system to be identified by any particular name is an unreliable criterion. In any case, the reference to ‘negative tax’ can hardly be understood as referring to negative VAT.
In fact malcolmeintre’s references are drawn largely from the French NIT page which has a slightly different slant from the English one. 
On the other hand, as things stand I don’t think example implementations belong on the current page (though I’m reluctant to stir up the hornets’ nest of terminology). My understanding is that economists are wary of using the generic expression ‘negative income tax’, perhaps for fear of confusion with Friedman’s system; but that when they do so, they are referring to a fairly broad concept which is a large component of UBI as well has having other instantiations. The right place for lists of implementations is therefore under the articles associated with particular flavours of NIT.
The following diagram may illustrate the relationships:
        	full            	partial            	
unconditional	full basicincome	partial basicincome	 
conditional  	?               	wagesubsidy        	 
        	           	              	tax andbenefit
I understand all four cells in the top-left square as incorporating negative income tax. By this criterion I would argue that malcolmeintre’s additions, assuming that they are valid, belong on the wage subsidy page (which already mentions EITC). 
However I’m not confident that the current arrangement of material is ideal. ‘Wage subsidy’ is a page I created myself at at time when ‘NIT’ sought to limit itself to Friedman’s system.
What does anyone think of the following proposal?– I add the above diagram to the NIT page, trying to turn some of the cells’ contents into links while drawing a circle round the 4 top-left cells and labelling the circle ‘negative income tax’. I then look over malcolmeintre’s additions, taking them to the wage subsidy page so far as they seem appropriate (and degallicising his English). Colin.champion (talk) 09:27, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: However my impression of the French page is that it views NIT as equivalent to UBI, but includes examples (such as EITC) which are a long way from being UBI. So references from there will need to be treated with caution. Colin.champion (talk) 12:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As I can't read (or speak) French, I was concerned with malcolmeintre's additions referring the the EITC, which (maybe I'm wrong) I have NOT heard as being classified as NIT.  It sounds like the terminology is much more vague in this specific subject area than others, so I'd be ok with Colin.champion's suggested changes/rearranging to try to clarify that. ---Avatar317(talk) 21:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added Lionel Stoléru to the list of UBI advocates, since he seems to qualify to be there. The Canada Mincome example is already in ‘UBI around the world’. I couldn’t work out what had been proposed or implemented in Belgium. I added PPE and WTC to the wage subsidy page (EITC already being there). So I made some use of malcolmeintre’s edits while leaving the current page as it is. Colin.champion (talk) 16:12, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed additions by malcolmeintre