Talk:Red (King Crimson album)

message: I brought back some stuff about the production style from a previous version, still without a reference.  I know both Fripp and Bruford consider Red's production a step forward.  Fripp talks about it in the notes for The Night Watch live disc, and somewhere in the endless text on the Deja Vroom DVD, but I don't have either of these at the moment.  I don't remember where I heard Bruford say it- he gives a lot of interviews for a Crimsoner.
I removed the bit about Christgau for two reasons.  First off, Christgau is a terrible source of insight into progressive rock.  He hated it in general, and if you read his review for Red in particular, he likes the album for the most superficial reasons.  Praising King Crimson for appeasing Christgau is like praising Allende for being Kissinger's favorite communist.  If that strikes you as too subjective, consider what makes Christgau's praise notable.  What we would like to establish is that Red is an especially well-regarded album.  That Christgau gave it a good, but not great, grade shows that one (prominent) critic thought Red was okay, not that anybody thinks it is outstanding.  Christgau's views would be fair to include in a broader discussion of Crimson's critical reception, but here I don't think it adds anything. No hard feelings, though- I do think it is an interesting trivium. Nigel Napalm 13:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'dem Changes 

message: I removed following text from the article, as it was a discussion:
"Marc Charig's name has been spelt incorrectly on the sleeve, CD and vinyl, of "Red" and, hence, on this site. It should be spelt as credited on King Crimson's albums "Lizard" and "Islands", which is MARK Charig."
The author of this text may well be correct though. Someone? Wurdnurd (talk) 21:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point about name 

message: On the LP, there is a slight discrepancy in how "Starless" is presented. The jacket and the label both list it as a single 12-minute track, but the groove is separated into two bands between the vocal and instrumental sections. Richard K. Carson (talk) 05:14, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: LP banding

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The last paragraph of the section titled "Writing and recording" claims that the album's lyrics have never been printed before the year 2000. However, I recently bought a 1974 Japanese pressing of Red, which has a custom printed insert that includes lyrics to all three vocal songs on the album. The lyrics on this insert are incorrect in several places, but it nevertheless provides evidence contradicting the claim that lyrics were never printed. I'm not very experienced in making substantial edits on Wikipedia, but I thought I'd at least flag the fact that lyrics for this album have in fact been printed prior to the year 2000.
:Good point, but it's pretty standard for Japanese releases to include lyrics, and often badly guessed ones at that. So I think this can be set aside. Something else I find interesting but isn't mentioned in the article is the artwork alluding to With The Beatles... Jules TH 16 (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim that lyrics weren't printed before the year 2000? 

message: According to this article from the band's offical website, which did not credit a writer, Red was release on 1 Octorber 1974.
https://dgmlive.com/tour-dates/1975?year=1974&sessions=on
But according to this article also from the band's offical website, which was written by KC's official biographer Sid Smith,  Red was Release on 6 October 1974.
https://www.dgmlive.com/news/on-this-date-41-years-ago-061015
Which one should we use? 59.153.220.93 (talk) 10:21, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date?