Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism/Archive 5

message: I don’t even know where to begin. Recently on the Kali article, the image  Kali2.JPG has repeatedly been deleted from the page on the grounds that it “doesn’t do the goddess justice” or its “grotesque”.  At first there was just one, a new user named Dipendra2007, who constantly deleted the photo without first discussing it or replacing it with a new one. I left them several messages on their talk page telling them that they needed to discuss changes like that before doing anything. But time and time again they kept on doing it. I respect that this person is a great devotee of Kali, as they’ve stated she is "a multi-faceted Goddess who is at once the nurturer and shatterer, the upholder of the family as well as one who stands outside all social norms", but therein lies the problem. I believe they are trying to whitewash the page of any material that they feel reflects a negative light on Kali. I keep on telling them that the page needs to be balanced and even opened up a discussion on the talk page in an effort to get some open dialogue going. I suggested that maybe some of the pictures could be switched around. There is one picture, :Image:Kaligoddess.jpg, that is still wrathful, but toned down a bit. It is already in the article. I suggested this, but no one has ever read or at least responded to that part of the discussion.
Now all of a sudden there is a new users--MrinaliniB--who has started to delete the photo without discussing it. They too have given me very POV reasons why the picture should not be on the page. I have NEVER once said that I only wanted the current picture up. I’ve stated to all three people that the pictures could be switched around, but yet they keep on deleting it. These two new users just recently created their accounts within the last day or so. I’ve tried to explain that they do not own the article and anyone can edit it, but they don’t listen. They do what they wish. I’m not sure if Dipendra2007 has created a “puppet account” or if he is enlisting people to have the image removed. Either way, that is wrong if their sole purpose on Wikipedia is to get one single picture removed.
If you visit these two editors’ talk pages you will see that I’ve been trying to come to an amiable agreement that will make ALL editors happy. Yet they resist going through the proper channels of discussion and resolvement. They just want what they want, when they want it. They don’t care. I’ve even gone to the point of issuing an idle threat of possible vandalism charges (as you will see on their talk pages) in effort to halt the deletion of the photo, while forcing them to actually engage in some kind of discussion. But that hasn’t stopped them. I told them also that any discussions about the Kali page should take place on the Kali talk page, but they continue to discuss amongst themselves on their own talk pages. This does not leave an accurate record of what is going on on the Kali page.
I therefore come to this wikiproject, which I have been member of for a while, to ask for some sort of intervention here. Please help. Thank you. (Ghostexorcist 19:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture problem has been solved as of this morning. However, that doesn't mean there won't be a problem in the future. (Ghostexorcist 12:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probelm on [[Kali]] page, please help! 

message: I'm doing up the Ganges article. There are some sentences on Ganges in Hinduism that needs to be cited. Since this wikiproject has access to sources, could all the phrases be marked up with references ASAP? Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The more active page for discussing general issues on Hinduism is WT:HNB. Perhaps I should put a template up notifying non-regular members... GizzaChat © 10:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ganges 

message: Hi yall.  Over at the spam whitelist we received a request for a page relating to Hinduism. I have a fairly good grasp of the larger issues involved, but in trying to evaluate the page I'm way out of my depth. 
The Request can be found here: MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist#bharatatatparyanirnaya.122mb.com.  Any further insight would be appreciated. Basically I'm trying to figure out if the site contains reliable information and if the commentary provided would be accepted as reliable. Thanks! ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 07:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I didn't see the noticeboard. I'll cross-post this over there. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 07:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam-Whitelist 

message: I will probably receive a topic ban from the arbcom. I was and am the only major contributor to the article. I am looking for a replacement. The article was never controversial and there were never disputes, except about the external link section. Thanks in advance. Andries 17:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sathya Sai Baba movement]] can somebody take over?

message: Is anyone willing to help create an infobox for WP:HINDU? Of course several types of infoboxes may need to be created but I'm thinking specifically of religious leaders. There is allowance for this at Wikipedia:List_of_infoboxes/Society#Religious_leaders. A Hindu-oriented infobox needs to be created (we have no Popes!) so if anyone is willing to get on this please let me know. Ekantik talk 19:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have one.  Check the templates section.--D-Boy 20:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox creation

message: Can someone on here read Gujarati? If so, which part of the following phrase is the name Kali?:
કલિયુગનાં ચાર આશ્રયસ્થાન 
I got it from this website. As far as I know, the term says "Kaliyuga's mainstay". I would like to have the Gujarati version of his name on the Kali (Demon) page. I think the first four or five symbols from the left are it because They look somewhat similar to his name in Devanāgarī, but of course I can't read either one. (Ghostexorcist 03:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is:  કલિ  Abecedare 04:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thanks. Is there any kind of code that I should type along with his name? The reason I ask is because his Devanāgarī name has ? (Ghostexorcist 04:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know Gujarati, but in Devanāgarī the name of the goddess is  (काली) and in what you have written there, are both vowels long?  They appear to be short.  The name of the fourth age of the world uses short vowels (kali कलि) so perhaps you are copying from the source too literally. Buddhipriya 04:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the goddess. It's the similarly named male demon. (Ghostexorcist 04:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see this is irrelevant as you say. I should have looked on the page first. :( Buddhipriya 04:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks again. (Ghostexorcist 04:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gujarati 

message: The article on Sri Anandamoyi Ma is in serious shambles. Help wanted. Aditya Kabir 16:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made a few changes to the article. Happy editing, S.D. 19:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sri Anandamoyi Ma]] 

message: I have proposed this article for deletion. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindu kingdoms in West Asia. deeptrivia (talk) 02:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was deleted on 26 March 2007. [sd] 22:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Hindu kingdoms in West Asia]]

message: Namaste.  Please help improve the article on Ganesha by participating in a peer review of it. ॐ गं गणपतये नमः Buddhipriya 00:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Link to peer review: Wikipedia:Peer review/Ganesha. Happy editing, [sd] 22:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review requested for Ganesha 

message: I have been surfing around wikipedia on interesting subjects relating to spirituality and science, especialy about kundalini and scientific research.
there are many promenent names to be found related to Kundalini research Gopi Krishna, George Tompkins, Dr.Karan Singh.
There are many articles that have a relation to kundalini, but are now completely scattered around (on meditation, enlightment, alchemy, mystisism, chakras), with no categorised link to kundalini. Partly because the views of previously named persons are not know or just ignored. The aricles are also often loaded with proto-science and vage claims making the mist of the mystery only thicker instead of clearing it up by reading aout the subject. There are however extensive sources on the subject with scientific value and no mumbo jumbo (mostly related to the research of Pandit Gopi Krishna.)
*First of all, does anybody share my intrest, because I don't have the "courage" starting this project on my own.
*Does anybody share a similar view that this is not mumbo jumbo, but worth the effort.
*Can anyone offer be different sources on the matter.
I have chosen to post this here since I believe kundalini stands closest to hindu philosophy.
If you find this a dumb idea please let me now to, so I don't get my hopes up to much.
Teardrop onthefire 12:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Teardrop, you may find this link interesting as an overview containing lots of 'pointers' elsewhere - that's if you havn't seen it before? As a sub-set of Hinduism and Yoga I would guess the first thing to do would be to expand the current Kundalini article and go from there. Best Wishes, Gouranga(UK) 14:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kundalini 

message: Someone with more subject matter knowledge than me might want to have a look at the activities of user Rockysheedy. I ran into him because he apparently thinks that Genghis Khan was really a hindu guru in disguise. Most likely his other contributions are of similar quality, but not knowing much about hinduism, I can't make heads or tails of them either way. Good luck! --Latebird 11:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research? 

message: There is a discussion on Talk:Saint about what the word's primary meaning is, and about whether or not the word is properly applied to non-Christian persons of exceptional holiness.  Some guidence from other POV's would be quite helpful.  Thanks, Pastor David † 15:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Saint]] 

message: Please discuss this in a discussion here--Sefringle 03:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Creating a guideline that applies to all religous articles

message: There is a new WikiProject task force proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Inter-religious content that is being proposed to deal specifically with articles whose content relates to several religious traditions. Any editors interested in joining such a group would be more than welcome to indicate their interest there. John Carter 15:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New project proposal 

message: In the section Near-by attractions, in the Kanyakumari article the following sentences are found regarding Vivekananda Rock, 
"The Vivekananda Memorial at Kanyakumari is also one of the important tourist spots and attracts many Hindus. According to local Christians, the place which is now called Vivekananda rock was once actually a small rock with a cross on it to inspire local Christian fishermen, the Paravas, while they were at sea. But according to the Hindus who built the Vivekananda Memorial, it is the place where Swami Vivekananda meditated for some time before attending the World Parliament of Religions at Chicago in 1893. Ironically there is no evidence of Swami Vivekananda visiting Kanyakumari. The religious significance has been a point of contention."
stating that 'there is no evidence that Vivekananda visited Kanyakumari' and also that, 'there once rested a Cross on the rock'. This claim according to  'local fisher men' , was raised-up as an almost-true statement and the Vivekananda visit is shooted-down completely. This claim was even not cited. It seems to me that some immediate attention needed here.
In think (but not sure) Vivekananda's biography itself mentions the Kanyakumari visit of Vivekananda. Also one more important thing; the very same rock has a very ancient Hindu legendry (of atleast several centuries back) that the foot print of Devi Kanyakumari is on the rock, and likely one such print is still maintained there. ==> Д=|Ω|=Д PaulỸ 12:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vivekananda Rock - [[Kanyakumari]] Article

message: Eastern religion is currently being improved. Please help bring this central topic article up to standard. Vassyana 03:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improving article 

message: Why is  banner made to create new banners for its subprojects above the main box?
 uses Work Groups for its subprojects and lists all subprojects WITHIN the main box, and only creates new boxes above the main banner for living person and active politician warnings.
 also places its subprojects within the main box, and even allows to set different importance for each subproject one article belongs to.
So, either are all Hinduism subprojects distinct enough for each of the to warrant completely separate templates or this template should use same system as WikiProject India and place its subproject within the main box. Shinhan 15:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hinduism template works the same way as Biography and India templates, except it displays the taskforces as seperate boxes. This how the Hinduism project wanted it designed. The reasons for the single template for all, 1) all articles are categorized under Hinduism (root project) as well as the individual taskforce. 2) easier to maintain. Please advise what your concerns are. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 19:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   can not be implemented on it, because it would break up if any of subprojects are selected.  also covers several projects (not workgroups!) grouped under a root projects but displays everything within the main box. It also allows for separate Importance parameters for each subproject (but no separate class, their assessment is probably standardized over entire Space project). Shinhan 19:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   creates seperate boxes for cinema, literature and protected areas taskforces, but WikiProjectBannerShell was implemented on it. You can see it working here Template talk:WP India/sandbox. The same can be done with Hinduism too. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 00:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Didnt know about that in India. Using that as an example I implemented the BannerShell for Hinduism template, see if theres any errors. Shinhan 05:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A general note. Most Hinduism editors collaborate on the WT:HNB instead of here. Don't know why, just is. In the future if you want to ask something specific about an article related to Hinduism, you are more likely to find a reply there than here. Thanks! GizzaChat © 08:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At least I didnt ask it on the Template talk page :D Thanks for the notice. Shinhan 11:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: Hello, I have read this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meenakshi_Amman_Temple
I am quite surprise to find such an article on wikipedia, which generally i find very useful and well organized as well as scientifically neutral. 
I think that putting the banner:"The neutrality of this article or section is disputed." is not enough, being clear that writing: "The inner sanctum sanctorum is more than 3500 years old ... and the outer walls and the outer construction is about 1500-2000 years . Almost at the time when all other civilizations used to live in caves like animals and hunt for their food and wear animal skins . It is the greatness of the Tamil Race that they have the foresight and the ability to make this construction when humans across the world [ most of them did not know how to live ]" is simply unacceptable for many reasons. 
Firstly, it shows deep ignorance of universal history, being civilization started in different areas of the planet well before than 3500 years ago. Secondly,  using terms like "to live in caves like animals" or "humans across the world most of them did not know how to live", reveals obtuse resentment toward other civilizations as well as ridiculous arrogance.
If this is one of the results of WikiProject Hinduism, well, i suggest to work better being simply more open minded and scientifically correct.
Doing this you will possibly pay due respect to your civilized ancestors. 
Regards,
michele ungaro, italy
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.94.172.106 (talk) 08:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Michele - thank you for pointing out this innacuracy. Please feel free to edit any such statements which appear out of place on articles in Wikipedia. I've made some simple changes to the article in question today, and can see that it requires more work in future. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 19:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment regarding Meenakshi Amman Temple