Talk:List of sovereign states by date of formation

message: The majority of dates given on this page are completely wrong. People seem to not understand what a country or sovereign state is CicolasMoon (talk) 20:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a separate issue from the major problem. If you have specific dates to contest, correct unsourced ones with your own source or come here and explain what was wrong with the sourced date provided. — LlywelynII 08:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: How am I to correct these dates if I don't understand the purpose of this article? CicolasMoon (talk) 12:52, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The purpose is set out in lead, below is a list of sovereign states with the dates of their formation (date of their independence or of their constitution) etc. Selfstudier (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: And what does "date of current form of government" mean? Half these sovereign states listed are not sovereign states. Take the ROC and PRC for example, "date of acquisition of sovereignty" said to be 1600 BC. Like, come on, what is that even supposed to mean. I wouldn't mind sorting this article out btw CicolasMoon (talk) 22:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that this article is unclear and confusing. Meanings of a number of terms used in the table column headers are undefined and those terms appear to have been taken to have various meanings row-by-row in the tables. I suggest that there be discussion here about what terms are problematic, how clarifications should be presented and - possibly in term-by-term subsections here - about what those definitions are for purposes of this article. Once that is decided and documented, the article content should be auditedand edited to fit those clarifications. This is a non-trivial piece of work needing editorial consensus during its accomplishment. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'll expand on this in a new topic (this is also related to the Israel discussion we had below). Vegan416 (talk) 11:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the point of this article? 

message: I don't think it's correct to say that the United Kingdom's current form of government was formed in 1922, with the independence of (most of the island of) Ireland. The government before and after 1922 was functionally the same, with the same constitution, practices, etc, just with a large chunk of territory lost. The Acts of Union between Scotland and England(+Wales) was what actually formed the current system of government. An argument could be made that the current form of government relies on a Prime Minister, so then the current form of government would be 1721.
The UK's situation is unclear, but regardless I don't think picking 1922 as the date of the current form of government makes much sense 143.167.240.144 (talk) 02:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The UK along with its Government were created in 1801. CicolasMoon (talk) 18:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK: Date of current form of government should be 1707, not 1922 

message: This article isn't very useful for establishing any kind of timeline or hierarchy because of how the tables are organized. By default, they sort alphabetically be country name -- which is fair enough, but it only gets worse from there.
You can't even sort the tables by date because they get organized alphabetically -- "10 April 1990," for example, would come before "30 October 1949." Formatting the dates YYYY-MM-DD would automatically fix this but it probably also violates some wiki style guide.
Is there anything that can be done to order these tables in some more useful way? The9thBit (talk) 03:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs organization