Talk:Phyllis Schlafly

message: The first sentence of paragraph four was not comprehensible, and it cited to an opinion piece on a (libertarian?) website entitled "OpEdNews". If there is some value to including arguments critical of Ms. Schlafly's activism, citations should be made to scholarly or news media sources. In addition, voices critical to Ms. Schlafly may be relevant if they are noteworthy people, like Gloria Steinem, however, the blog writer does not appear to be a noteworthy person. I deleted the sentence and attempted to rewrite the paragraph so it made sense.
Including Gloria Steinem's "Aunt Tom" comment would be a great addition, if one could find the citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wsgy01 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up "STOP ERA" section. 

message: Elstong - First, welcome to Wikipedia. There are two issues that need to be addressed; first, here is the direct citation from the NYT article:
This is the exact quote from the article from Judith Warner, a Jewish NY Times reporter. She does state that Schlafly uses code words for a specific group of people, and in my opinion, reflects such in the wiki page.
Second, you were removing a source, namely the NYT article due to your editing. If you have an issue with the source, then that should be discussed also and the reasons why rather than removing it - maybe that was an accident. Again, welcome to Wikipedia. Dinkytown (talk) 07:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the footnote back in. Read the quote carefully. It does not say who uses the code phrases. It does say something about who recognizes the code, but it does not even say that Schlafly or Critchlow recognize the code. Please do not attribute something to Warner or the NY Times unless they actually said it. Elstong (talk) 19:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NYT Article and Schlafly's code words 

message: Is it true that she has, or had, ties to Liberty Lobby? I distinctly remember reading that somewhere, but it's not mentioned anywhere in this article, nor in the articles for Eagle Forum or Liberty Lobby. Stonemason89 (talk) 01:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any sources indicating she had or has ties to Liberty Lobby. One source Roads to dominion: right-wing movements and political power in the United States By Sara Diamond states:No doubt, the Liberty Lobby's constituent base overlapped with that of the conservative movement. The featured speaker for the lobby's well attended 1965 National Defense Seminar was Phyllis Schafly...This differentiates between "the conservative movement" (of which she was obviously a part) and Liberty Lobby's (implying she was not a part). I'll further note that there are places that speak of her (the Eagle Forum) in the same article, or even the same paragraph, as the Liberty Lobby, but only to discuss something that the author of that piece felt they had in common - not to state any tie between them. --4wajzkd02 (talk) 00:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Liberty Lobby?

message: I placed the POV flag above this section (please replace with a more appropriate flag for a section, as this one mentions "article", and most of the article is fine). I feel that the tone is set out to prove that Mrs. Schlafly is outdated in her thinking, especially with the bit about the clothes dryer and paper diapers. While I realize it represents her views, I think it's easy for a section to pick out only certain views which can attempt to prove the subject in question outdated. Please add a better balance of her views towards women. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Varkstuff (talk • contribs) 21:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is an accurate representation of her views, then there is no POV problem. If you can cite other comments to more completely describe her thinking on women, that would be welcome. But just because a statement may be controversial does not mean, if accurate, that it violates NPOV. Uberhill 18:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  /* Women's issues */Neutrality 

message: It is worth noting that although this article claims that Schlafly joined the Birch Society but then quit --- nevertheless, Phyllis has always denied that she ever joined the JBS. In reality, both she and her husband joined the JBS circa August 1959 after attending a recruitment meeting in Chicago. For proof of her membership, see letter she wrote to Verne P. Kaub which is posted on-line here (item #2): http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/documents Ernie1241 (talk) 01:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: SCHLAFLY and BIRCH SOCIETY

message: On this edit: we really should be careful to avoid implying that the subject of this article is a hypocrite when discussing the sexuality of her son. The old source makes the point, but the treatment at Phyllis Schlafly#Family is both better sourced and more relevant to that section. The new section may be over-reliant on primary sources, but I think that this is a case where the relevance is clearly established by outside sources, while the primary sources are used to ensure that the article does not materially misrepresent Schlafly's positions. - 2/0 (cont.) 08:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:BLP]] reminder 

message: Have just found the article Phyllis Schlafly's social policies, I propose that article be merged into this one. I don't want to take it to AFD, as it's reasonably well-developed, but there's simply no need for a separate article on the subject. Phyllis Schlafly isn't a politician, or other major world figure; why should we have a separate article on her political views, when we do for almost no one else? (Indeed, not just her political views in general, but her social policies, which is presumably a subset of them.) I doubt it would meet the notability criteria. As this article is not incredibly long, I see no reason why Phyllis Schlafly's social policies shouldn't be summarised and merged into this one as a subsection of Phyllis Schlafly#Viewpoints. Robofish (talk) 21:03, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Schlafly was a major politician in the 1970s-1980s. Rjensen (talk) 21:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: She's never worked as a politician.  It's not surprising you've confused the role of a politician serving the public good and a political activist serving their own self-interest. Funny, that. Viriditas (talk) 00:38, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: She's never worked as a politician. is false. She once ran for Congress (and lost) and attended every GOP National Convention since the 1950s and has been on many GOP committees. That's what politicians do. Rjensen (talk) 22:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

text: * This article is already cited above as being well-sourced. You're going to have to come up with something better than that. 10stone5 (talk) 05:47, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That article is actually terribly sourced, depending almost entirely upon primary sources. It clearly needs a lot of work. Glaucus (talk) 22:57, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

text: wiki rules say primary sources are fine when dealing with a person's opinions and positions. That's quite useful for readers whether they are pro or con. Rjensen (talk) 00:55, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not unreliable, but they can't support an independent article. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:46, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I count 17 separate citations to books (chiefly Princeton University press) and two scholarly journals. That is plenty and falsifies the complaint that it "depends almost entirely upon primary sources". Rjensen (talk) 02:07, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I count 34 citations to Schlafy's own work. Almost every other sentence is based around a quote from her work. The article as a whole reads more like an essay written to introduce her at a speech than a neutral wiki article. There is little to no mention of reception or criticism etc. Utterly riddled with POV and editorialized put in wiki's voice. No signs of influence beyond a specific campaign (ERA) or the founding of the Eagle Forum. So yes, it's a pretty poor article that depends almost entirely upon primary sources. Glaucus (talk) 03:00, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's even worse than that. Of those 17 non-Schlafy cites, many of them are used to source quotes from Schlafy. Glaucus (talk) 03:27, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed an article about her ideas is ultimately based on her published statements as verified by citations from reliable secondary sources. That's how an encyclopedia works, and this article works well. The RS include scholars pro and con.  As for "No signs of influence beyond a specific campaign (ERA)..." is that serious--she played a central role in a major constitutional debate in the 1970s and 1980s, so the RS say.  Glaucus seems to say the ERA debate was a trivial issue but it is covered in the major history textbooks.  One has the repeated sense that Glaucus' motiviation for the merge is that he dislikes her ideas and does not want them to be available in Wikipedia, which is a violation of the NPOV rule for editors and blinds him to make false statements such as "depends almost entirely upon primary sources". Rjensen (talk) 06:00, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Rjensen, if you're unable to AGF then you should find another hobby. I never said the ERA debate was a trivial issue. That just points to her own notability, not the notability of her political ideas outside of that context, suggesting that they don't warrant their own articles beyond ERA and Eagle Forum. By this reasoning, everyone majorly involved in the ERA debate should have an entire article devoted to their general political views, and that's clearly just ridiculous and a complete flaunting of WP:NOTABLE. The article itself has clear SYNTH and POV problems. What little criticism is in there (and be honest, Schlafy is deeply controversial) is responded to by direct quotes from Schlafy from works often published BEFORE the criticism, with no secondary sources used to support. That's exactly the reason that primary sources should be used so carefully. The article itself was created whole in essentially its current form for whats appears to be an English project, and the citations were used accordingly. That's pretty damn close to the definition of WP:OR. It's not an appropriate wiki article and it has never been. Glaucus (talk) 12:18, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

text: It's hard to assume good faith when we get demonstrably false claims that 
"quite poorly sourced and depends almost entirely upon primary sources." The single most important person by far in a major constitutional debate should get major attention is turned into the ridiculous statement that "everyone majorly involved in the ERA debate should have an entire article devoted to their general political views." Schlafy is indeed controversial and the RS cited cover both supporters and sharp critics of her views. The numerous boks and studies of her ideas point to their notability. For example the Klatch article appears in Signs, a leading feminist scholarly journal, and the Petchesky, article appears in Feminist Studies, another leading feminist scholarly journal. Klatch is quoted in three different sections. The Marshall article is from a leading feminist book, Rjensen (talk) 12:28, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is not whether her ideas are true or false but what they actually are. In that regard her written statements are RS. The interpretation of them is given through the eyes of her feminist opponents. If Glaucus thinks that more criticism should be added he can certainly add it himself, assuming he's actually read any serious scholarly criticism of the sort that is in there now. But so far he has added zero to the article, and he has not named any critics who have been overlooked and should be included. That is the profile of someone who is hostile to Schlafly's ideas but unfamiliar with the NPOV rules at Wikipedia and indeed unfamiliar with any of the RS that deal with her. Now perhaps I am unfair to Glaucus and he has studied the scholarship and knows it well--now is the time for him to cite that scholarship. Rjensen (talk) 12:52, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Read my complaints again, but this time without intent. My complaint is NOT that there are "missing" critics (are you serious? Virtually every serious feminist philosopher is a critic of Schlafy), it's that there is very little actual criticism or framing. Take the single Marshall cite. It's not referencing a critique, but a rephrasing of Schlafy's views. Just because Marshall is a critic doesn't make that reference a criticism. It makes it a reliable secondary interpreting her views. Petchesky is the only source used to cite actual criticisms. You keep whining about the incredible breadth of sources used, but you're completely ignoring HOW they are used. Using a critical source for a non-critical statement does not count as criticism. Sticking singular out-of-context quotes at the end of a section does not make for meaningful criticism, not does it give context to the content as a whole. Once again, if you can't assume good faith or refrain from mocking then please refrain from commenting at all. Glaucus (talk) 13:32, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Rjensen, you're missing the point. While the fact that the article is based almost entirely on Schlafly's quotes (and written non-neutrally) does make it basically a brochure for her, the fundamental issue is that there is no reason to have a separate article on her political views. We have an article on her which should be sufficient to cover her views. Few cites in the sub-article are not to Schlafly's own writings, and what remains (and is about Schlafly rather than social conservatives in general, as some of the cites appear to be) can easily be merged. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

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message: Phyllis Schlafly is named in the following SPLC reports:
Exploring Nativist Conspiracy Theories Including The ‘North American Union’ and The Plan de Aztlan
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2007/summer/paranoid-style-redux#.UbnayPl4yM1
Neo-Confederates attempt to Whitewash Southern History
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2003/summer/lincoln-reconstructed/whitewashing-the-confederacy#.Ubnaxvl4yM1
Additionally, her son's contribution to her Eagle Forum website, over which she maintains editorial control, is mentioned in the SPLC's 2013 "Hate in the Mainstream" report:
http://www.splcenter.org/home/2012/spring/hate-i-the-mainstream#.Ubnayfl4yM1
The original text that I proposed adding in the section currently titled "Immigration proposals", which I feel would more accurately be titled "Immigration and Race" is this:
Schlafly has been named for her views in Southern Poverty Law Center reports on whitewashing of Southern racism and slavery's impact on the civil war and as part of a group of nativists promoting anti-latino conspiracy theories. Posting on her Eagle Forum website, her son Roger Schlafly repeated a belief that "non-whites, non-Christians, and non-marrieds … see it as being in their group interests to tear down traditional American culture."
I am open to alternative wording suggestions such as:
Schlafly has been named for her views in Southern Poverty Law Center reports titled "Neo-Confederates attempt to Whitewash Southern History" and "Exploring Nativist Conspiracy Theories Including The ‘North American Union’ and The Plan de Aztlan". Her Eagle Forum website, over which she maintains editorial control, was named in the 2013 "Hate in the Mainstream" report for a December 11 post by son Roger Schlafly repeating a belief that "non-whites, non-Christians, and non-marrieds … see it as being in their group interests to tear down traditional American culture."
I am open to alternate suggestions and discussion. Please provide input. Thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.235.104 (talk) 14:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have semi-protected the page for two days to end the edit war and BLP violations. – GorillaWarfare (talk) 14:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

text: In my view User:Rjensen was correct to revert this material in a BLP. What her son thinks is largely irrelevant; and the rest of it is a smear by association. Concentrate on the specifics of what Schlafly actually said, undeniable facts, not "named in a report about whitewashing racism". Malcolm X might have been "named in a report about whitewashing racism". Pinkbeast (talk) 16:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinkbeast you need to read the full reports please. She is named in the first report because she says, "Southerners "certainly did not die to defend slavery." She is named in the second report for similar reasons.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomermike (talk • contribs) 16:12, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have read them. So - and I'm not saying this will automatically result in a good edit - quote that. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

text: I am open to a third opinion regarding her son's commentary, but I find it relevant that it is Phyllis Schlafly's bio - and only hers - on the Eagle Forum website and that the Eagle Forum website exists under her sole editorial control.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomermike (talk • contribs) 16:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  And does the Eagle Forum website promise only to publish things Schlafly agrees with unequivocally? Someone else said it; leave it out. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

text: She is quoted in the report, without commentary as to why, and certainly nowhere is it described as 'on whitewashing of Southern racism and slavery's impact on the civil war' - that's synthesis of analytic commentary not found in the reference. 'Her views are quoted in SPLC reports.', with or without the title. No editorializing. Dru of Id (talk) 16:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

text: In my view; keep her son out of it, keep the Southern Policy Law Center out of it. Report that she said those things, using the SPLC as a reference. There is absolutely no need to get the title of the reports into the article, and definite potential to appear to be smearing her by association. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you can provide some proposed wording then? It would help the process if I could see what you are aiming for. Boomermike (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  "In her review of the film _Gods and Generals_ Schlafly stated that "Southerners certainly did not die to defend slavery"." Pinkbeast (talk) 16:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: the BLP violations consist of explicitly stating the Southern Poverty Law Center linked her to the highly emotional & hostile words "racism" and "anti-Latino". That allegation is completely false. The two Southern Poverty Law Center reports cited NEVER used those terms to describe her or anyone else. They were added by the offending editor as deliberate POV. What she said was 1) she praised a particular Hollywood movie in 2003 and gave her opinion of Southern soldiers' motivations; 2) she called for a Congressional investigation of an issue that involved US sovereignty with regards to Canada & Mexico. The Source clearly states that her view is mainstream and mentions that the legislatures of 18 states are in agreement with her. Rjensen (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Chill Pill, my friend. You get so worked up you won't do anyone any good. I'm trying to work with people here on the wording and you're about 2 hours late to the state of the conversation, do some reading back and try to relax and work with people rather than assuming everyone's out to get you? Boomermike (talk) 17:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: [User:Rjensen]'s comments strike me as essentially apposite. You can't imply someone is racist by association in a BLP. Pinkbeast (talk) 17:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

text: I think it is a bad idea to source information to articles that only mention the subject in passing.  Film reviews btw are rarely reliable sources especially for BLPs.  There already is information about Schlafly's controversial views, so no informed reader would be surprised about her views on the Civil War.  No doubt we could find more controversial views to add.  But we should concentrate on what is most important.  Do biographers devote much space to her Civil War views?  TFD (talk) 21:56, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I think Schlafly's review of the film is a reliable source for a direct quote on her review of the film. But you have a fair point as to whether it needs inclusion. Pinkbeast (talk) 22:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: as for the movie review, people may want to look at what Schlafly actually said, instead of the garbled view in the movie review. It's at http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2003/mar03/03-03-05.shtml It never mentions race or slavery and instead is an attack on  "politically-correct revisionism" in teaching US history generally.  That was a popular topic at the time (2003). As for the Civil War. she mentions the motivations of actual soldiers (not politicians who caused the war) with emphasis on the roles of religion and defense of Union and of homeland. Perman (2010) says historians are of two minds. Schlafly follows the second line of thought among scholars.  Perman says: "The answer has not been clear—even though all men felt they were fighting for something. Some historians emphasize that Civil War soldiers were driven by political ideology, holding firm beliefs about the importance of liberty, Union, or state rights, or about the need to protect or to destroy slavery.  Others point to less overtly political reasons to fight, such as the defense of one's home and family, or the honor and brotherhood to be preserved when fighting alongside other men."  That puts Schlafly's opinions in the mainstream of current thinking on the war. But she seldom writes about the Civil War, she is much more interested in attacking what she calls "politically-correct revisionism". In an article about Schlafly we should be quoting her, not using a truncated quote that garbles her motivation. Rjensen (talk) 05:32, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Errr all else aside, I read that paranoid rant yesterday when this first came up, and it certainly does mention slavery. It mentions it in the second paragraph! But clearly if the quote is to be used at all, and I'm not sure it should, it should be used intact; it's unreasonable to quote "southerners certainly did not die to defend slavery" without "since few southern soldiers owned any slaves". Pinkbeast (talk) 10:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

text:  She has expressed many opinions on many subjects. There are probably 100 different political organizations that have expressed disagreement with her or have made name-calling attacks on her. What is so special about the SPLC? Why would anyone care that someone at the SPLC did not like her review of a 2003 civil war movie? I suggest sticking to the sorts of things that the mainstream press says about her. Roger (talk) 09:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  As perhaps a slightly less biased observer than Roger, I agree. What _is_ special about the SPLC? Pinkbeast (talk) 10:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The SPLC blog published a movie review  by an outside historian from a museum in Molile who was not connected with the SPLC. He was the person--not the SPLC -- that brought up Schlafly. She did not mention prewar slavery which was the historian's main concern. She said (correctly) that few Confederate soldiers owned slaves. Rjensen (talk) 13:47, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

text:  The reliable sources policy says, "Editorial commentary, analysis and opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (editorials) or outside authors (op-eds) are reliable primary sources for statements attributed to that editor or author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact.... Reviews for books, movies, art, etc. can be opinion, summary or scholarly pieces."  (See WP:NEWSORG.)  The review could only be a reliable source for an article about the film.  TFD (talk) 15:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southern Poverty Law Center Reports 

message: Source:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/27/schlafly-latinos-arent-republicans-because-of-illegitimate-babies-and-handouts/
I request assistance in formatting this information for inclusion in the article. Boomermike (talk) 14:00, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: the material at the link is not a good source for Wikipedia. it's a  diatribe attacking Schlafly's views --but it's not coherent and it misreads her views (eg "limited government" becomes low taxes).  it's not a RS that can be used. Our editors have to be neutral here re controversial people. Rjensen (talk) 11:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Schlafly controversy and more anti-latino statements. 

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thread_title:  This article has been semi-protected for two weeks 

message: I fat-fingered the edit summary, but what I meant to say is that "modern" seems appropriate. Presumably, for example, Schlafly is all for the idea that women should be able to have their opinions taken seriously. Pinkbeast (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: But be subordinate all the same; never equal. That's opposition to feminism, full stop. 72.200.151.13 (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 22:58, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Schlafly is clearly opposed to many modern feminist ideas; she is clearly not opposed to many early feminist ideas. That that is "opposition to feminism, full stop" is your own opinion. The suffragist movement pre-WW1 would have found remarkable the idea that women could in general do "men's jobs", but one could hardly say _they_ were opposed to feminism. Pinkbeast (talk) 14:47, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What, women like Margaret Fuller? She advocated that women seek any employment they wish, rather than catering to the stereotypical "feminine" roles of the time, such as teaching. She once said, "If you ask me what office women should fill, I reply—any ... let them be sea captains if you will. I do not doubt that there are women well fitted for such an office" Phyllis Schlafly is opposed to social equality between men and women. What else is that besides opposition to feminism as it is defined here on Wikipedia and elsewhere? 72.200.151.13 (talk) 23:22, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of "modern" feminism edit 

message: She contributes to the current 2016 Republican primary race, with her opinion.
 Headline-1: Phyllis Schlafly: National Review Is Not the Authority on Conservatism
* http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/01/23/phyllis-schlafly-national-review-not-authority-conservatism/
QUOTE: "Living legend and conservative heroine Phyllis Schlafly slammed National Review for their efforts to take down GOP frontrunner, Donald Trump." -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "A living legend and conservative heroine" 

message: The text states "In 1945, she received a Master of Arts degree in government from Radcliffe College (part of Harvard University)." Radcliffe was not part of Harvard University in 1945. This should be clarified. Also, unless there is evidence to the contrary, the attribution Alma mater Harvard University should be amended to Radcliffe College.  96.42.57.164 (talk) 20:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've corrected the text but left the infobox unchanged. It is a piped link to Radcliffe College, Schlafly's MA is de facto a Hardvard MA if not de jure, and I'm reluctant to risk confusing the reader and/or put a wordy explanation in the infobox. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:20, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't think that is so clear. This is well explained at Radcliffe College: the college was a separate university, issuing its own degrees, and was not a faculty of Harvard University. Initially, its degrees were from Radcliffe. From at least 1963, Radcliffe degrees were jointly awarded with Harvard . --Duncan (talk) 16:42, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite true, Duncan. The infobox now carries false information. It's a simple fact: a 1945 Radcliffe degree was not a de facto Harvard degree. This conflates the erstwhile Harvard-Radcliffe model with the Tulane-Sophie Newcomb model, the latter of which had Newcomb as within, not parallel to, the larger institution.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.57.164 (talk) 19:31, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attribution of Radcliffe degree 

message: This article may be a good candidate for the Recently Died (RD) section of WP:ITN. Nominations can be made and discussed at WP:ITNC. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:39, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  ITN Nomination 

message: Phyllis Schlafly wrote her last book, published during her lifetime, in 2016, entitled, "How the Republican Party Became Pro-Life." Please, add the book to her bibliography because the evidence is within Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/How-Republican-Party-Became-Pro-Life/dp/0988461390
73.247.186.19 (talk) 04:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: --1990'sguy (talk) 13:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2016 

message: I created a red link to her posthumous book, The Conservative Case for Trump and then went and created an article describing the book. Is it okay to have a link in the Phyllis Schlafly article to this book? --Uncle Ed (talk) 15:24, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Her last book ever

message: Recent edits by Chas. Caltrop have removed “Critics of Schlafly saw her advocacy against equal rights and her role as a working professional as a contradiction.” from the last paragraph of the “Opposition to Equal Rights Amendment” section, where it served as a clear topic sentence, leading the reader into the paragraph. 
Much of the rest of that scattershot edit was in a similar vein, obfuscating the clarity of the writing. Replacing the straightforward “lawyer” with “attorney-at-law” is one example. Pompous vocabulary does not make better writing. Here is a place for Caltrop to show how his changes are an improvement. Just plain Bill (talk) 17:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits by Chas. Caltrop 

message: The first sentence of the lede describes Schlafly as "an American Constitutional Lawyer" as well as an activist, political candidate, etc. There does not seem to be any support within the body of the article for describing her as a "constitutional lawyer". In which cases of constitutional law did she represent a client? In which judicial opinions did she write, from the bench, did she address applying the constitution to a decision?
Most people would agree that Thorough Marshall was a constitutional lawyer; the same could be argued for Abe Fortas. What cases did Schlafly plead before a court. The article does not even mention that she was admitted to the bar! What is the source that called her a constitutional lawyer. 
Opposition to a proposed constitutional amendment is political activism, not constitutional law. I was opposed to numerous proposed constitutional amendments but I never considered myself a constitutional lawyer. I propose, in the absence of citations supporting the use of the term "constitutional lawyer" that the lede be changed to remove it.Slickjack (talk) 02:56, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Courtroom appearances as the main criterion??  She had a law degree and as Critchlow shows, played a major role in writing a highly influential report on Constitutional Law that was issued by the American Bar Association in 1958. see   Rjensen (talk) 04:06, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutional Lawyer? 

message: You recently revised your article to include this comment:
"Schlafly had previously been a member of the John Birch Society, but quit, and later denied she had been a member because she feared that her association with the organization would damage the repution of the book. By mutual agreement her books were not mentioned in the John Birch Society's magazine, and the distribution of her books by the society was handled so as to mask their involvement. The society was able to dispense 300,000 copies of A Choice Not an Echo in California prior to the June 2 1964 GOP primary.[21]"
Footnote 21 refers Wiki readers to the recent Daily Beast article by Ron Radosh.  Ron's article includes links to substantiate the assertions which you just inserted into your article.  And WHOM did Ron Radosh rely upon for his PROOF for those assertions?  ME!!  I sent him the PRIMARY SOURCE documentation (i.e. the correspondence by Phyllis Schlafly and by Robert Welch) which PROVES that Phyllis was a JBS member and then explains why she resigned in 1964.  So, once again, you prove my point about how you selectively use data to substantiate what you claim in your articles but you irrationally refuse to accept the EXACT SAME INFORMATION from the ORIGINAL source whose research discovered that data in the first place!!  Ernie1241 (talk) 20:34, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  YOU DID IT AGAIN! 

message: “Her mother, Odile Stewart (née Dodge), went back to work as a librarian and a school teacher to support her family ... Her sole sibling was her younger sister, Odile Stewart (married name Mecker; 1930–2015). Phyllis attended college and graduate school.”
Her mother and sister are both named Odile? No reference for the second half of the quote. Precognizant (talk) 04:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Background” section 

message: Maybe good for something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/mrs-americas-son-flying-conservative-flag-fighting-wikipedias/ How Mrs America’s son is flying the conservative flag – and fighting Wikipedia’s ‘liberal lies’] 

message: References to 'contradiction' and 'ironic'; namely,
'Critics of Schlafly viewed her ... role as a working professional as a contradiction.' and 
'Gloria Steinem ... among others ... considered it ironic ...'
are altogether too cute, I think. The more apposite and truthful word is 'hypocritical'. 49.181.92.153 (talk) 01:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would delete the whole paragraph as factually incorrect and not supported by the sources. None of the sources say that she has any contradiction, irony, or hypocrisy. None say that she was a working professional. None mention Pia de Solenni. One does quote Steinem as saying "she is arguing that other women should stay home." However that is false, and citing it would require explaining that it is false. Roger (talk) 11:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dishonestly 'Cute' 

message: all i cared about was this POS's death. more could have been written about it. 2601:1C2:1000:420:F8C1:8E88:A94E:5DDD (talk) 21:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phyllis's death