Talk:Nastassja Kinski

message: Would be great if there are other sources to quote to back up claims that 'she was one of the great beauties of the 1980s and 1990s'. I adore her work but for Wiki purposes we have to be able to give confidence to neutral readers that we have facts to back up assertions, especially subjective and dramatic ones. Likewise 'had Hollywood at her feet, but her potential as an actress was often compromised by her defiant personality.' does not suit an encyclopaedia. The reference to Demi Moore is too trivial. The references to relationships which were not age-appropriate are prurient without further context. Otherwise this piece presents Kinski as some trite and possibly wounded personage from some time ago. She has a serious body of work and the page as it stands is almost salacious instead. thegirlinwhite 21:42, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks  Vulturell. I am going to be bold and remove the reference to her alleged relationships with older men. thegirlinwhite 20:06, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Way to go.Vulturell 20:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikify 

message: >>is a German-born actress of Polish descent<< its wrong, her father was born in Pommern, but it belongs to germany at that time! so no Polish descent
I changed that line to simply German actress. Her father was half Polish but he spent his adult life in Germany and is generally identified as a German actor. She herself would only be a quarter Polish and never spent any of her life in Poland. She is of largely German descent and speaks German as her mother language. There is no justification for identifying her as a German-born actress of Polish descent.--Nikostar 01:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not even her father Klaus Kinski was "half Polish". His parents were native German citizens at the beginning of the 20th century. When Klaus Kinski was born in 1926 his place of birth, the glamourous Baltic Sea spa Sopot/Zoppot, had been incororated into Danzig for 7 years. The Free City of Danzig had a very strange status concerning international law as a result of World War I. Since 1919 Danzig was a kind of ward of the League of Nations. It neither was German nor Polish. Nobody described this chaotic and creative climate better than Kinski's famous fellow citizen Günther Grass, inventing the erotomanic tin-drumming spiteful little devil Oskar Matzerath. When the 280-mm cannons of the ship of the line Schleswig-Holstein raked the Westerplatte in the early morning hours of September 1, 1939, the other erotomanic dwarf, evil little Klaus Kinski, painted the Reichshauptstadt Berlin red for almost 9 years, in contrast to Günther Grass who witnessed how 51 officials of the Polish Post Office in the middle of Danzig town - equipped with pistols and light weapons - staunchly defended themselves for 14 hours against German SA and SS men on the first day of World War II. The Free State of Danzig perished this very day. The one child had to write world literature afterwards and the other one had to become a world star as an actor. And both had to become very evil boys, all their lives. --Bogart99 15:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That does not matter at all for her descendance. In the whole Baltic area and some parts of Eastern Europe down until Siebenbürgen, Romania a lot of ethnic/cultural Germans used to live up until the end of World War II and the Nazi Germany. With the now-free sovereign states, in the time before the closure of the Iron Curtain these were relocated to areas behind the present day borders. Even tough there is still some local animosity about the subject about historical rightfulness - all this does not belong in the article, especially not about Nastassja Kinski's descent. She did not live in the XVIII century. -- 92.229.21.149 (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Where does she know Russian from? What was her mother's decent? Isn't her name based on the names of two leading female characters from Dostoyevsky's The Idiot? Debresser (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  descent 

message: WP:FU is really explicit. A fair use magazine cover can not be used to illustrate generally the article on the person shown on it. If you add back the cover in violation of policy I will need to note this on the copyright problem notice board. The editor formerly known as Harmonica Wolfowitz 00:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would take your arguments more seriously if I didn't know that you are a sockpuppet of the notorious User:Ste4k, who was supposedly banned indefinately for trying to trash the wikipedia project. Colin4C 10:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image removal 

message: Just wondering whether there has ever been a published biography of Nastassja Kinski, or whether there is information on her to be gleaned from biographies of other people (Klaus Kinski, Polanski ect)? Otherwise all we have is magazine articles and interviews...and the dubious stuff which is forever recycled on the web...Colin4C 20:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kinski Biography? 

message: Should be something on the famous snake poster -- that's how millions of U.S. college students in the 80's who were not foreign film buffs would have heard of her... AnonMoos 15:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was there, but I've added a bit to the reference to highlight it.  SteveHopson 16:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, unfortunately this article has been plagued by officious persons (at least one of whom was a sockpuppet of a banned editor)  who take it upon themselves to remove pictures of Nastassja - including the snake one...Colin4C 23:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Snake poster

message: It's faintly ridiculous that the article as it now stands includes nothing on the snake poster, which is by far her main claim to fame in the United States of America (among those who are not foreign film buffs). AnonMoos (talk) 11:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Snake poster again

message: Hate to keep harping on a single theme, but the current version of the article doesn't include anything on the infamous snake poster, which is by far her main claim to fame in the United States of America among those who do not happen to be foreign film buffs... AnonMoos (talk) 13:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Yet again

message: I added a comment about it and it was removed. Again. What's going on here? How many references are needed? How many uploads of the image, reduced in size, blurry, etc. are required before it's existance is acknowleged and fact+fair use reigns?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.54.1 (talk) 16:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: And again

message: Surely most pages list most recent films at top, and older further down? --leopheard 13:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the sense of that???Colin4C 14:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The sense of that is so that things are created as a uniform standard, rather than being all over the place. Surely you could work that one out --leopheard 12:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So doing things backwards is standard? What sort of Alice in Wonderland World do you live in??? Colin4C 14:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  BOOYEAH Natascha_McElhone - Ian_Abercrombie I'm sure there are loads of other examples --leopheard 13:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia goes from oldest to newest. By the way, thanks for finding those articles that needed to be tagged. --PhantomS 13:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: But that's SO uncool Phantom. I think we should all follow Leopard Head's example and get one of those clocks with hands that go backwards and then watch the anguished expression on our friends faces as they realize they are not in tune with the contemporary Zeitgeist...Colin4C 18:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I have added information. -- Esp rus2 20:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography in wrong order? 

message: A few years ago, she drove a Nissan 200SX.  I doubt a source will be found.  Even if it is, it is hard to incorporate the information without looking silly or trivial. User F203 (talk) 16:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nissan 200SX 

message: Why the description in the opening paragraph of Cat People as 'erotic'? A lot of movies have some sexual content. If a movie's to be described as 'erotic', shouldn't it be a movie in which the sexual content is the main focus? Is there a citation- other than marketing material- that characterizes this film as 'erotic'? Calling a film 'erotic' usually has connotations quite different from what Cat People is. GuySperanza (talk) 23:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Erotic is not the same as porn. Debresser (talk) 22:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

text: The Cat People (1982 film) article says its a horror film, and apparently was shown in regular theaters.  Did reviews of the movie written at that time refer to it as erotic though?  The other film she is listed as staring in, which they call erotic is Stay As You Are, which article indicates that it was.  Dream Focus 03:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd say Nastassja Kinski walking around completely nude in the middle of the night is a pretty erotic thing. Not to mention tying her naked to a bed. Debresser (talk) 22:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

text:  Actually, it was director Paul Schrader who expressed the erotic aspect over the horror aspect saying that the film "contains more skin than blood". Debresser (talk) 01:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cat People 'erotic'? 

message: OK, I feel stupid. I always thought that she played opposite her father Klaus Kinski in Aguirre, the Wrath of God [1972] as his character's daughter. I just edited this article to add that info, then checked up on it and reversed my edit, because IMDB and other sources say that role was played by someone named Cecilia Rivera. But is it possible that Cecilia Rivera was a pseudonym for Klaus's daughter, Nastassja, who would have been 10 years old during filming? She looks just like Nastassja Kinski as a child. Some websites do identify the actress as Nastassja Kinski. Very confusing. 24.233.254.29 (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Like this site . And I have to agree that said character looks a lot more like Nastassja Kinski in e.g. Cat People (when she was 21 years old), then like Cecilia Rivera. Debresser (talk) 23:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did she ''not'' act in ''Aguirre, the Wrath of God''? 

message: User Debresser is right. She could have lied about her birth date on the Johannes B. Kerner Show in 2008. But Der Spiegel reported her birth in early 1961 (see reference). This is certainly the most reliable source we have on this. So the matter should be closed, regardless of legal consequences. Prekario (talk) 16:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth Date II 

message: Am restoring film promotional photo as a valuable improvement. It was removed under the pretext of being a "decoration," which was a purely personal impression by an editor. This is a BRD edit, and should require consensus with an acceptable rationale before repeated deletion. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 17:21, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No WP:COPYVIO and WP:FAIR (WP:NFC#UUI) is clear. Copyright images can only be used if there is adequate textual discussion directly related to the image. Merely placing the image next to the name of the film is not sufficient. Active Banana (talk) 17:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

text: The use of the modeling photo :File:Natasha kinski model.jpg is also questionable: the specific image used needs to be discussed in the text, cited to a third party source. As this is a correctable issue, I have not removed it as of now, but you may wish to quickly provide adequate context both in this article and at the image page to maintain it within the Wikipedia image file catalogue.  Active Banana (talk) 17:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you clarify this issue? The first sentence in her "Career" section states that she began as a model. There was no source given. The photo is obviously of her modeling at a fairly young age. So when you say that the "specific image used needs to be discussed," how much more can be said? Doesn't the text with an image say it? It's doubtful there was ever a published article about this particular photo shoot or photo. However, as a career document, it does prove certain bio details it would seem. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I will direct you to Wikipedia:Non-free content Active Banana (talk) 18:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Image file rationale was expanded to include more non-free content rules per suggestion. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 18:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

text: I would like to include it, but I was not able to find any free on-line third party sources talking about that ad campaign or her modeling in a way that would meet the FAIR rationale for use here. Active Banana (talk) 14:04, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the David Letterman interview (see Videos), when discussing her career, she talks about her modeling career and a photo shoot for Vogue Magazine (?) when she was 16. Another video link, the slideshow, displays numerous obvious modeling photos, such as the Richard Avedon snake photo. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 18:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

text: A few more trinkets: In New York Magazine (1994) one of her modeling agents mentions her as a client, along with Anna Nicole Smith and Drew Barrymore.New York Magazine May 23, 1994 p. 10
The NY Mag reference briefly mentions NK and her modeling but not in any way the sufficiently meets the FAIR for including the pefume model photo. I would be looking for something like "kinski became a household name in the 80's through a series of sensual black and white advertisements promoting products from Apples to Zylophones"{ref} Then we include the perfume ad as a visual example of what these sensual black and white ads looked like.  Active Banana (talk) 20:39, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Doubtful result. Even today, models' names are rarely mentioned with ads, unless they marry a celebrity. After they get into acting, it's simply mentioned as among their first jobs. So an early modeling photo seemed reasonable as a non-free "fair use." --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 20:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Supermodels have had items written about them and their ad campaigns for a very long time - having sourced some from the 1960's- and a kinski biography could hardly have been written without including something of the sort. But if we cannot find appropriate sourcing, we cannot use the image. "Proper sourcing doesnt exist" is not a legitimate FAIR claim! Active Banana (talk) 20:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoring film promo 

message: I have removed some unsourced material about these two. Do we citations for when they were hooked up? TIA --Tom (talk) 13:36, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I didnt save them, but when I was looking for modeling sources, I know that I ran across sources that mentioned Quincy Jones in a news.google.com archives search. Active Banana (talk) 18:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Quincy Jones

message: One of the sources just added, People (April, 1981), writes, "Indeed, at 20, Nastassia is being compared to the young Ingrid Bergman." That would mean she was born in 1961. 
On another point, for whatever it's worth, in the David Letterman interview (see Videos), she states that she was 16 when she met Roman Polanski. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 18:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1959 birth date ref is only referenced by a blog run by a guy named Steve: "Steve's Pages: Birth and Death Dates, Quotes, Art, Photos, Travel, Writing" therefore I am deleting it as not a credible source. Colin4C (talk) 15:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did you check whether the same year, 1959, isn't mentioned in other, more reliable sources? Debresser (talk) 20:54, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there are a few smaller secondary sources that give 1959, however, they are very brief 1-2 paragraph bios. The leading reference book set, only carried in libraries (if they can afford them) is the International Dictionary of Films and Filmakers - vol. 3, Actors and Actresses, which gives Jan. 24, 1961, along with a fairly detailed bio. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 21:14, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Therefore I think we can class any supposed 1959 birthdate as a fringe theory, which, in that respect, doesn't meet wikipedia standards of verification. Colin4C (talk) 06:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would disagree with calling that "fringe", but have no real problem with the actual removal. Debresser (talk) 09:30, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

text:  Agree. But because there are published discrepancies, it wouldn't hurt to mention that fact in a general way. A lot of those were apparently just based on typical requotes from other secondary sources, especially magazines.  Even some movie experts have made mistakes. For instance, David Thomson, in his New Biographical Dictionary of Film, simply gives her birthdate as 1960. However, within his bio. he notes that she was on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine in May 1982, and the writer of that story began, "I ask myself what makes Nastassia Kinski, at twenty-one, the biggest sex symbol of 1982 . . . ". That would also imply she was born in 1961. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 16:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life sources 

message: Although it wasn't added, to keep the film's relevance shorter, Coppola brought Kinski to the U.S. to co-star in this film (per Phillips interviews, p. 136.) Hence, the film was important in her career. I felt some more details about what happened afterward, and why, would give the subject more perspective, along with her own impression of costs. Feel free to edit to avoid excessive irrelevance. There was actually a lot more stuff I kept out in order to give a brief summary of this particular film. I agree, however, that discussing one particular film, where the others were merely named, does look out of balance. But from other actor bios I've helped on, it's mostly because this bio is pretty brief to begin with.  --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 20:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''One From the Heart'' details 

message: I believe that the image below would be permitted as a non-free image based on rule #5, as the film and this image is referred to:
:Film and television screen shots: For critical commentary and discussion of the cinema and television.
If there is consensus, we might be able to restore it to the article. It's always useful to show a person during the prime of their career. The image is now orphaned and will be deleted.
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*Keep --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:39, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Image consensus request

message: Is it possible to make the following adjustment?
> 
> Nastassja has a tiny cameo in this movie.  The film cannot rest on 
> Nastassja's shoulders.  She is in the move for 5 minutes!!
> 
> PLEASE REMOVE: The film failed at the box office, and was a major loss 
> for
Coppola's new studio, Zoetrope. "In the wake of the dismal showing at the box office, . . . after less than two years in operation, Zoetrope Studios was for sale." It became "one of the biggest box office failures in modern cinema history."[9][relevant? – discuss] For the film, Coppola had built one of the most expensive movie sets in the history of Hollywood: "His glittering, surreal re-creation of neon Las Vegas alone cost more than $6 million," notes movie historian Gene D. Phillips.
> 
> Please let us know your thoughts and thank you!!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Oren
One From the Heart detailsAlthough it wasn't added, to keep the film's relevance shorter, Coppola brought Kinski to the U.S. to co-star in this film (per Phillips interviews, p. 136.) Hence, the film was important in her career. I felt some more details about what happened afterward, and why, would give the subject more perspective, along with her own impression of costs. Feel free to edit to avoid excessive irrelevance. There was actually a lot more stuff I kept out in order to give a brief summary of this particular film. I agree, however, that discussing one particular film, where the others were merely named, does look out of balance. But from other actor bios I've helped on, it's mostly because this bio is pretty brief to begin with. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 20:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nastassja Kinski  

message: Is it possible to remove the following statement from Nastassja Kinski's Wikipedia?
The film failed at the box office, and was a major loss for Coppola's new studio, Zoetrope.
It is unfair to inlcude this in Nastassja's page, as she has a tiny cameo in the film.  If this was the standard rule for all of the actors involved in the film, I would understand; however, this is not listed in any of the leading actors wikipedia pages from this film.
Thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.69.95 (talk) 18:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nastassja Kinski  

message: Språkføringen i den norske artikkelen omNastassja Kinski er svært dårlig, og bærer preg av en slurvete oversettelse. Er det virkelig en velutdannet nordmann som har skrevet den? Uansett, den bør omskrives til GODT norsk!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.9.110.143 (talk) 20:25, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Språket 

message: Since when do we need references for the filmography, like in all of  these edits? Debresser (talk) 22:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know.  I've always thought that the work itself was its own reference.  After all, someone can just go watch the film and see that she's in it.  Dismas|(talk) 22:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  References for filmography 

message: Support the February proposal to merge List of awards and nominations received by Nastassja Kinski to here; a split was unnecessary as the combined length of the pages is well within the usual bounds for readability. Klbrain (talk) 09:40, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 09:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: She is painted on the back  of Topps tavern in Sanger CA 93657 my question is how and why 107.116.93.11 (talk) 09:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Topps tavern mural