Talk:2007 tuberculosis scare

message: It would be interesting to know if his newly-wed wife has been infected, since she is the person that has been most exposed. If not, then this isn't much of a scare.--200.14.108.1 20:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to a recent news article I read, his wife remains uninfected; I'd link to it if I could find it. --PeanutCheeseBar 02:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: TB is not a sexually transmitted disease. The comment on the honeymoon should be removed. If the wife gets sick (TB latency period is extremely long, might be decades) it would be due to airborn infection.Kaoru.noemi (talk) 18:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wife infected? 

message: His bio and photo at atlantadivorce.poweradvocates.com per wsbtv --195.78.245.135 10:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bio 

message: There's no current info on whether the Italian health authorities were informed of his presence and diagnosis and in any case, what reponse they have made to this crisis. If they hadn't been informed, I would presume they would be rather pissed off Nil Einne 10:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: according to the NYT, they (italian officials) learned the details on May 25, after Speaker had returned to the US.Mulp 03:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italians etc 

message: I think a timeline would be informative.  Details are in the NYT in the article
http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/health/02tick.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1181099188-1LqPLHpjgK15PPXsYft3ZA
but I think I've seen a timeline sidebar show up in google.
Mulp 03:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: The only reason we someone would like to know the exact flights is to see if they were on it, and I don't think tertiary sources like Wikipedia can be used as a source for information on something as serious as this. Maybe it should just be a reference to the website that provided the information, Jeffrey.Kleykamp 15:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we need the flights? 

message: In a recent CNN article:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/conditions/06/01/tb.flight/index.html
This person has a strange habit of putting the blame on other people.
"I had one shot, and that was going to be in Denver," at the National Jewish Medical and Research Center, which specializes in treating drug-resistant forms of TB. If he was somewhere else and was not given the exact right mixture of drugs, he said, "That was it, they blew my last shot."
"I am very sorry for your fear, and putting you at risk. I don't expect those people to ever forgive me,"
Andrew Speaker should be in the cell next to Paris Hilton... indefinitely!!!!!!
Most normal people would put off their wedding plans if they have a dangerous disease.
Some people need to have it all at the expense of others. This is why we have laws.
:Speaker's own actions should be addressed in the article, in addition to the failures of officials. — Emiellaiendiay 22:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a reaction section to this incident is definitely needed.  The man's received rather negative feedback on his actions. --Madchester 22:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It does sound a bit selfish on his part, but unless the media calls attention to his selfishness (or unless he willingly admits to it), there's nothing we can do to put it in the article and maintain an NPOV balance. --PeanutCheeseBar 19:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: He's a personal-injury lawyer who is the son of a personal-injury lawyer. If he does not know how to make the blame stick to everyone but himself, I don't know who does! Frankly, I hope all the passengers on those flights band together in a class-action lawsuit against him. And I also hope Homeland Security has him on their "no-fly" list! BeeTea 16:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a blog. Only comments about the article may be posted here, not opinions about the subject or wishes about what might happen to him. Edison 17:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting attitude of Andrew Speaker 

message: I made a change that includes Speakers claim that he was not offered transport back from Italy.  The article had previously stated simply that he "declined transport back from Italy," but this is only according to the CDC.  Speaker says that he was never offered any such transport, and that if offered, he would have taken it.
:Interesting - the paragraph on Speaker and his father playing the taped interviews (which had "NO PLANES" in all caps and a few other attitude-laden words/phrases) was inserted by an anonymous user with IP address 24.99.112.30. An ARIN WHOIS lookup shows that that's a Comcast cable user -- in Atlanta. Coincidence, perhaps....? (Personally - Speaker seems, and acts, like a selfish, immature jerk who panicked, and is now playing CYA and blaming everyone else. Then again - let's think about the character traits it takes to choose a career as a divorce lawyer .... >;-) A Doon 14:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport from Italy 

message: Can we get more info, either here or on the CDC article, about the quarantine situation in 1963? --Golbez 21:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1963 

message: why is this article called a "scare"? It should be a "crisis" or something to that effect, a "scare" leads one to believe there was no real danger, and there definitely was. Judgesurreal777 05:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Crisis" is a little strong, though. Personally, one reason I'd call it a "scare" is that no-one's been infected for certain, so it's not a crisis yet. --Dandelions 19:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Is there any word on how he happened to contract TB? I've seen no reference to that in the various articles I've seen. Thanks --Jolomo 20:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How did he get it? 

message: It's not as if this is the only TB scare worldwide in 2007.Loganberry (Talk) 11:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title too vague? 

message: Should we add anything about his background (family, professional)?  Seems appropriate now that his father-in-law is also in the news (is there a separate article for the father-in-law).  I wanted to add that he is a graduate of the University of Georgia and other professional information but wasn't sure if it was appropriate.  76.198.144.137 16:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  background? 

message: Those who like to lump things into catch-all articles like this are hurting Wikipedia. For instance, I was trying to find Mr. Speaker's age earlier today and came to Wikipedia knowing this type of basic info is usually here. But no, someone thought notability wasn't high enough for this guy to have his own article, and made Andrew Speaker a redir to here. The result: I had to trawl about 10 newspaper articles before finding his age... Wikipedia's strength is its ability to be a compendium of everything. Let's play to our strength. Forget these "notability" requirements. If it's notable enough for somebody to want to type it up, it's notable enough. JDG 17:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:BLP#Articles about living people notable only for one event. Not having articles on nonnotable living people is Wikipedia policy. —Angr 18:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: BTW, according to BBC News, he's 31. —Angr 18:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There should be an [[Andrew Speaker]] article 

message: This page says Speaker is the second person detained since 1963, whereas the other one says first. Which is correct?
:Depends if you include the person in 1963. But yes, that needs some clarification. Anyone up for it?Lilac Soul 06:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  contradiction with Andrew Speaker article 

message: In this article, it says that he is the second to be detained by the CRC since 1963. However, in the article that bares his name, it says he is the first to be detained. --205.133.240.254 14:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: According to the wikipedia policy WP:BLP#Articles_about_living_people_notable_only_for_one_event, The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopedia entry.But the fact is,he is notable because he is the first man quarantined by the United States since 1963, and that he has a rare form of drug resistant tuberculosis,not just because people talked about him.Wikipedia is full of articles of people who are tied to just single events, and so it did not even make sense to target the Andrew Speaker article anyways. Rodrigue 15:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Andrew Speaker himself has not been the subject of significant coverage. He has been covered only in connection with this incident. The incident, not the man, is notable.In some cases, we keep articles even about non-notable subjects if there is a consensus to ignore notability. But in the case of a living person, WP:BLP, a policy, is paramount. I invite you or someone else to re-redirect Andrew Speaker to this page. (I don't want to do it because I've already done it once.) Pan Dan 17:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrew Speaker 

message: The phrase "involuntary isolation" in the introduction was followed by the word and wikilink quarantine.  This word was removed, with the edit comment "not quarantine".  The  Merriam-Webster dictionary online defines "quarantine" as 
:3 a : a restraint upon the activities or communication of persons or the transport of goods designed to prevent the spread of disease or pests b : a place in which those under quarantine are kept
:4 : a state of enforced isolation 
which seems to me to describe the situation.  If there are no objections within 24 hours, I will re-add the word. BrainyBabe 16:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead uses the term in the technical sense that the CDC uses it. The CDC differentiates between quarantines (common usage definition) of infected (their term "isolation") vs exposed (their term "quarantine") individuals. So - we need to figure a succinct way to confer the above in the lead if we add 'quarantine'. --mav 23:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why don't we just say "(similar to quarantine)" and let the pedants add distinct definitions further down?  Yours pedantically BrainyBabe 16:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Quarantine

message: This statement sounds highly POV to me, especially given the lack of citations.
One strong opinion in the public is that Andrew Speaker is a selfish individual who does not care about the rest of society because he could have infected thousands of others around the world at the airport and on the several commercial planes he was on with a nearly untreatable, deadly form of tuberculosis.
Any thoughts/inputs? --PeanutCheeseBar 19:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It sounds very POV and smacks of Weasel Words. I believe the following sentence should be rewritten as well. It sounds like a rebuttal to this quoted segment; that also seems POV to me. --Firefeather 03:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: Nobody ever mentioned how he get from Thira island to Mykonos island. If he went with the local boats then we are talking about 3 hours trip with more than 300 people...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.148.89 (talk) 09:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I have removed User:Lawdwg's  edit of 04:35, 6 February 2009.
The text added to the article in that edit and removed by me was completely un-sourced, biased and appeared to have been copied verbatim from Speaker's lawsuit against the CDC et. al.:
* From the content of the edit and the fact that this is the user accounts sole edit (User:Lawdwg Contributions), it seems reasonable to assume Lawdwg is either Speaker himself or a lawyer hired by Speaker. (WP:COI)
* The text added in the Feb. 09 edit almost doubled the article size but contained no citations, and nothing was added to the article's reference section (WP:SOURCE)
* Text's origination in lawsuit supported by recurrent use of phrase "On or about" when referring to dates, recurrent notation "(See timeline, Dr. Metchock, CDC)" of material not posted here (WP:OR)
* Line #52 of added text reads (emphasis added): "Speaker was subsequently transferred, via non-commercial transportation ordered by Defendant Cohen and Defendant Gerberding" (WP:NPOV)
Deleted edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2007_tuberculosis_scare&oldid=268854279
Thanks- Snozzwanger (talk) 03:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Edit 03.28.09: Restored version prior to 6 February 2009 edit 

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--JeffGBot (talk) 22:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

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thread_title:  Dead link 2 

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thread_title:  Dead link 3 

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thread_title:  Dead link 4 

message: Have removed this phrase "Drug-resistant tuberculosis is typically much less contagious than wild strains that have not evolved multiple drug resistance" as there is no evidence for that. 
dev.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.49.227.112 (talk) 19:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal: unsubstantiated claim 

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