Talk:Labour Friends of Israel

message: Someone has entered a list of members. What is the source for this? Jayjg (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Spinwatch is not a reliable source; please don't use it or include it. Jayjg (talk) 20:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What prove do you have that Spin Watch or Source Watch is unreliable. When link was added it clearly says "critical article by SpinWatch" and thus it should be included. This is not just a pro-lfi article, links must included articles critical of it. Linesman 20:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:RS. Critical articles by The Guardian or The Telegraph are perfectly acceptable.  Remember, we are talking about living people here, so WP:BLP applies. Also, claiming my edits were "vandalism" is a violation of WP:CIVIL; please take policy seriously. Jayjg (talk) 20:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: You need to be a member to have your trip "sponsored". It's a group trip which is entirly funded as with any other country specific parlimentary group. Linesman 23:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide some evidence of that, please? Jayjg (talk) 23:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well this is how palimentary groups work. Only Members that have shown commitment are given the opportunity to travel annually, as with labour friends of india  - those listed are all members. Only present office holders are listed. You can check the Register of members interest for this term and list of present office holders, you'll find most if not all we're office holders. Linesman 23:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd really prefer to be able to verify what you are saying. Can you provide some concrete evidence that you must be a member of a "Friends of" group to go on a trip sponsored by them? Or, alternatively, find some other evidence that the members you have listed are members of Labour Friends of Israel? Wikipedia is extremely concerned that it only publish accurate and verifiable information about living people. Jayjg (talk) 23:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you wish to verify , Dodsonline.co.uk publishes the list of party groups mp's are members of e.g. Mike Gapes Gapes%20:%20Political%20Biography. You'll have to subscribe to obtain full access. Linesman 23:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: With regards towards dodsonline. If an  MP's a member of a committee. click through that site to get free mp's link e.g [ http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/foreign_affairs_committee/foreign_affairs_committee_members.cfm] Linesman 23:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, you need to provide verification. Jayjg (talk) 23:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  I cannot link to Dods bio pages since readers need subscription that's why i've linked to parlimentary publications. I hope to verify with other free sources in future. Linesman 00:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members? 

message: I have just been watching the following Despatches documentary, not all about LFoI, and wondered whether anybody has tried to properly assess how much money had been received or arranged to be received by LFoI and for what purposes : it would appear that these 'Friends of Israel ' groups are being deliberately not incorporated so that they can avoid having to disclose their donors and donees, or indeed anything else : the LFoI won't even allow their own opinions to be publicly examined on their own website - a great vote for something other than open and democratic government for the UK ! AND NO ... this enquiry is not about Israel's political lobbying per se but about the accountability of our elected representatives in the UK - to us. The documentary also examines Conservative Friends of Israel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHrskzonH8 - and is of general political interest to those who care about good government both in the UK and also in Israel ( which I believe has similar problems anyway )DaiSaw (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  No discussion of how much money has been channeled into the Labour and Cooperative Party via LFoI ( and other organisations ? ) 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: We claim this in the article citing an Guardian article by Ian Black from way back in 2009. I'm not sure that this belongs in the article or if the claim carries any serious weight, other than being the opinion of one journalist almost a decade ago.
It appears to be more about presentation. The Conservative Friends of Israel can afford to take for granted that the pro-Israel views of the MPs are likely shared by most of their party membership in generals, no matter how controversial Israel's actions (partly because English and Scottish Tories like to live out their nationalistic fantasies by proxy through Israel and then there is the Muslim thing).
With Labour it is an entirely different playing field altogether, although they have power among the MPs, they are absolutely despised by the party rank and file, especially the younger members of the Labour Party who are very pro-Palestine. So thea LFI cannot afford to be as openly and rabidly gung ho as the CFI are. The end goal is the same, their unquestionable loyalty to the State of Israel is hardly any less.... its just a matter of advertising and tailoring to audiences. Claíomh Solais (talk) 00:44, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: the source (Ian Black (journalist)) seems pretty robust. The way it is worded (“has been described as”) is neutral. The placing in a historical section shows it is a decade old. If other reliable sources give a perspective that balances this, no reason not to include that too. Anything beyond that might feel like WP:SYN. BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Less pro-Israel than CFI??

message: Can't edit due to the extended protection but I feel that these changes are necessary:
* There needs to be a mention of Joan Ryan defecting from the Labour Party and yet remaining in her role as chair of the LFI. http://www.lfi.org.uk/lfi-chair-joan-ryan-mp-resigns-from-the-labour-party/
* The introduction is entirely unsupported by the source given: the article referenced makes no mention of borders, Palestine or a two-state solution. The phrase "with Israel recognised and secure within its borders" also seems particularly loaded given that Israeli settlements are continuously expanding into Palestinian territory; which borders are we talking about here?  
* "As of August 2018 it includes about 80 Labour MPs." needs a citation or at least a "citation needed" flag.
Sir jcd (talk) 13:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted the page to refer to Joan Ryan as current chair still (since the seat is certainly not vacant), with a very hasty addition of the linked article as a reference, but as yet without formatting as is really required by Wikipedia. I'm personally unable to look into the other points as of yet. Benjitheijneb (talk) 23:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes needed 

message: The info box needs updating to reflect that Steve McCabe is the current Chair. The correct info is in the body of the article, but the info box is still listing Ellman, who was replaced back in February.    DeltaSnowQueen (talk) 09:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Jontel (talk) 09:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parliamentary Chair (Info Box) 

message: "many moderate MPs rebelled against the leadership of the party" this seems  to violate NPOV, what does moderate mean here ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.163.59 (talk) 13:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, other commentators would use other labels, depending on their own position. It is unnecessary to label them so I have removed it. Jontel (talk) 17:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  are anti Corbyn MPs moderate ? 

message: change Director	Jennifer Gerber to Michael Rubin 87.236.135.66 (talk) 10:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 14:51, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 October 2023 

message: Despite having real links to the Labour left, Momentum was/is often attacked as being a party within a Party. Now, while lacking such links to the Party, 'Labour Friends of Israel' are not called to account. For is this group reflecting growing calls within the Labour Party to support the UN ceasefire vote. Or does it consider that the IDF attacks on civilians are "self-defence"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.69.169.76 (talk) 19:07, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Party within a Party? 

message: It seems to me that this article wouold be better placed in Category:Lobbying organisations in the United Kingdom, rather than as it currently is in Category:Lobbying in the United Kingdom. The organisations category seems by far the most suitable. I have already made this change to both Conservative Friends of Israel and Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel; could somebody who is able do the same for this article? As the topic title suggests, I'm only interested in more accurate/specific categorisation and don't wish to provoke controversy. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 20:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hopefully non-contentious change of category 

message: Remove Jess Phillips's name from the list, as she has repeatedly stated she is not a member.
https://x.com/jessphillips/status/1795105250828783697 Jasnas66 (talk) 21:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: since she's listed as a member by the LFI, I suggest seek consensus for its removal M.Bitton (talk) 14:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2024