Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Archive 2009

message: Shouldn't he have a Project tag, since he is prominently mentioned in the Portal? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. — Rlevse • Talk •  20:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry Allingham 

message: has been updated. The "member of" section is now a variable, allowing custom use. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  10:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good- now we don't need special templates where we have one or two members of an NSO. It should be possible to merge a number of these templates and use parameters— I will take a look at this when I finish playing with the sidebar. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  23:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

text: It was a bit easier than what I anticipated. I wrote the template code so it is fairly obvious how to expand it. Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Userboxes/Scout/testcases is done using the single template at Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Userboxes/Scout/sandbox. I have not done anything on the box colors: discuss it on the template talk. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  03:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. You are a genius. --Bduke  (Discussion) 03:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now with the ability to set a custom NSO name or to customize the entire message, now with free documentation! --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  15:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Should we then consider merging other userboxes into this one? It can replace at least twelve of them. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  22:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK with me.  — Rlevse • Talk •  22:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just simplified some code, which involved renaming a parameter. Let me double check this before going live. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  02:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scout userbox 

message: I am updating  in the . The sandbox version has both the old and new style as I cut and paste. Please comment on the talk page. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  22:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the new one, but can live with the old one if the new one doesn't have support.  — Rlevse • Talk •  22:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There was discussion about updating to  a month or so ago and I committed to refreshing it. The new one will be smaller if it is not expanded (I will document that) and can be placed on user pages more readily. It can also be edited more easily by tenderfoot editors. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  22:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPScouting Navigation 

message: This article was merged to The Singapore Scout Association and redirected there in July 2006. It has now been recreated, although it is different from the original. I am not sure what to do about it, but I am concerned that it will be precedent for a whole rash of other troop articles in Singapore. The Singapore Scout Association was last year a directory of troops, but they were removed (not by me but I wondering whether to). Since I was the person who did the redirect in 2006, could others look at this. I do not want to give the impression I "own it". --Bduke  (Discussion) 22:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's only claim to fame is the oldest one. It's also a brag article ("Prominent", "dominated competitions" etc). I doubt it'd survived an afd.  — Rlevse • Talk •  01:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I put it up for one. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If one Group gets it's own article, they soon all will as many groups have some "claim to fame".  As this is against established procs, I'd agree with AfD - with content being dumped to ScoutWiki if deletion agreed. DiverScout (talk) 13:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Maybe it can be merged and redirected to Raffles Institution (Secondary), it probably more notable in the Raffles Institution than in the Singapore Scout Association. --Egel Reaction? 13:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a very good idea. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  20:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[02 Raffles Scout Group]] 

message: Useful as this may be, Wikipedia is not a how-to. Can we Scoutwiki this somehow instead? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 11:39, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussion on the article talk page. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  12:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Comparison of Boy Scout Troop Management Software]] 

message: nominated Scouting for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. --Eustress (talk) 01:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Will check it out. Sumoeagle179 (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR 

message: This article is huge and cumbersome, should it be split? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Better to reduce it to the essentials... --jergen (talk) 10:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Jergen. Are the songs copyrighted in a way that we should remove them? That would cut the size down for a start. --Bduke  (Discussion) 10:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are the songs essential or notable? The article is long, but not dense; much of it is in list format. The TOC is so long because almost every paragraph is a separate section. Before we cosider a split, it needs a major copyedit. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  11:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Did a major cleanup, shortened the TOC, removed badges and songs. Still needs some copyediting. --Egel Reaction? 11:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[GirlGuiding New Zealand]] 

message: Jergen has just copyvio-blanked Homenetmen, in order to bolster his argument for removal of Scouting in Syria. The Homenetmen article has been edited by dozens of users, there is no way the whole article is a copyviolation. Please review. If it was a new article by a single user, then it would be copyvio, this borders on POV. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not attacking Jergen, he's a great editor and usually easy to work with. But twice reverting a new article to redirect without discussion, and then copyvio blanking another article used to bolster the discussion appear to violate WP:POINT. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at the page from the history tag here. The whole lot has been copied into the article. It is a total copyvio. --Bduke  (Discussion) 06:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Then it calls for a rewrite, not blanking and possible deletion as an article. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 06:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Chris, the copy-vio tag is appropriate as the whole article or very close to it is involved. It allows someone to rewrite it in a sandbox and then ask an admin to put it in place. We are not talking about one paragraph here, where that can just be deleted. --Bduke  (Discussion) 07:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If we can't revert the article to a point before the copyvio, then the tag gets applied. We then have to work through the process to reboot the article. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  12:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Homenetmen]] 

message: As most of you may know, the German federal archive did upload part of its images to commons. Among the lot are some Scouting images, most from germany, but also from other countries. There is a nice one of Edward VIII (then Prince of Wales), but I did not find a place for it yet: :File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-07754, Prinz of Wales verleiht Preise an Pfadfinder.jpg
Other images include:
* :File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-09650, Englische Pfadfinderinnen.jpg
* :File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-1982-0706-501, Österreich, Pfadfinder-Treffen.jpg
* and some in :commons:Category:Scouting in Germany and in :commons:Category:Deutsche Jugendbewegung.
Perhaps some of these images can be of use. --jergen (talk) 11:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images from the German federal archive 

message: Can admins and others please take a look at this? New users are edit-warring, saying we should be hands-off when they make unWiki-like edits. Please see the talk page. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 18:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: SPA sockpuppets are also vandalizing my userpage, not a coincidence, their only edits are those two. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have started a dialog at User talk:Beetlejuice 87. This appears to be a new editor who needs guidance and a bit of handholding. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  21:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I Semi-prot'd the page. If it is socking, see WP:SPI (the new SSP/RFCU)  — Rlevse • Talk •  21:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[National Organization of Russian Scouts (Scouts-in-Exile)]] 

message: has been updated:
--—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  21:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouting WP invite 

message: There is an edit war going on about whether WOSM affiliation of this association covers the whole of Ireland or the republic only. This is unscout-like. I have removed all reference to WOSM until such time as a decent reference is given and I have fully protected the article for now. See Talk:Scouting Ireland and the talk pages of the two editors involved. Please keep an eye on it as I will be off wiki for a while. --Bduke  (Discussion) 21:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Joy, THE TROUBLES come to Scouting. Good call Bduke.  — Rlevse • Talk •  21:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be spreading to Scouting in Northern Ireland. --Bduke  (Discussion) 21:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You have my full support Bduke. — Rlevse • Talk •  21:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouting Ireland 

message: Chris and I are disagreeing on the poll page about whether the categories by country should be renamed also. If say Scouting in Australia is renamed to Scouting and Guiding in Australia, as it should, then it makes sense for :Category:Scouting in Australia to be moved to :Category:Scouting and Guiding in Australia. In fact it makes no sense if this is not done. On the other hand, Scouting in the United States should not be renamed and therefore :Category:Scouting in the United States should not be renamed. The category name should follow the name of the article which is the main page in the country category. I propose that this be added to the proposal. If it is not discussed and determined now, a discussion is bound to start on this as soon as the discussion on the article name is determined. --Bduke  (Discussion) 06:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose that this be held off until the present poll is complete, it unnecessarily complicates a long-standing issue that needs to be settled of its own merits. At this time the only category that would warrant a name-change, based on the results of the present poll, is the parent category in which the national disambigs are nested. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we should include it in the poll. Different naming systems for categories and articles don't feel go. When first preparing the poll, I did not see the full scope of possible changes. --jergen (talk) 07:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Brian and I seem to be talking about two different things. I am only talking about the broad category all such articles go into. He seems to be talking about national categories. Somewhere there is a disconnect. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 08:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are quite right about what I am saying. It is normal for the name of the category to mirror the name of the main article, so if the article in "Scouting and Guiding in XXX" the category should be "Category: Scouting  and Guiding in XXX". If the article in "Scouting in XXX" the category should be "Category: Scouting in XXX".I want us to vote on the two together because they are linked. This is not adding confusion. It is simplifying matters. I think Jergen is agreeing with me. I suggest we let this discussion run for a few days  to let others comment. I am going to shut up on this topic for a while. --Bduke  (Discussion) 08:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Okay, now I get it. You weren't talking about creating new parent categories based on usage of naming conventions, just naming each as case-by-case. We're on the same page, that is reasonable. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes- the category and the country article should match. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  13:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Good, so are we ready for the poll? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just made some minor changes that should cover the comments of Bduke. But we should give him some time for commenting again. --jergen (talk) 10:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Thank you. Could somebody, who is more familiar with the relevant procedures and necessary announcements, please move the page into the project space and open the polling? --jergen (talk) 09:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: added to the proposal

message: The article on B-P's biographer was removed from the province of the Project, but I added the Project tag back. However I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the article is almost all about his book on Stanley with very little about his book on B-P. That needs to be rectified. We need to get a broad range of reviews of the book. --Bduke  (Discussion) 03:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I commented there.  — Rlevse • Talk •  03:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The book is covered in Baden-Powell (book). --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  02:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I do not think your continued use of terms like "idiotic claims" is helping your argument when you do not appear to have read the book and are basing your opinion on a review in a newspaper. As User:Gadget850 says on Talk:Tim Jeal this book is one of the most important and scholarly biographers of Baden-Powell. Anybody who wants to understand the man must read it. Now what is Jeal saying? Well it is complex so not easy to summarise, but he is not saying that he was homosexual or that he behaved in any unacceptable manner with children or indeed adults. He is saying that his personality contained features of suppressed homosexuality of which he was undoubtedly not aware. I think that explains quite a lot about B-P that previously was not clear. It is also of course a very small part of the whole book, but is the part many journalists concentrated on. Of course, Tim Jeal and Baden-Powell (book) should be included in the articles of interest to this Project. What do you mean by "I would like to nominate it for deletion from this list"? What list? What are you trying to delete? --Bduke  (Discussion) 04:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The passage DreamFocus is concerned about is IIRC less than %5 of the book. DreamFocus seems to want to remove the project tag from the article talk page. I can not support that. The tag should stay in place.  — Rlevse • Talk •  12:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 3.7% to be a bit more precise. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  12:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The article should be tagged as low on the Importance scale because the article explains every little about B-P that has any relevance to Scouting. --Egel Reaction? 12:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. That part I agree with.  — Rlevse • Talk •  12:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Help desk#Slanderous attacks on Boy Scout founder, based entirely on one writer's imagination. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  13:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tim Jeal 

message: A week ago an editor made an edit to this article, newish but with contact info that was later removed. I used the contact info, and found that he is Andriy Chesnokov, International Commissioner of National Organization of Scouts of Ukraine. At my request, he graciously supplied me with information, translation and two more emblems. The organization is new, still a framework, and does not have a website. Another editor today disputes that Chesnokov is indeed the IntComm, though he consistently identifies himself as such. Your thoughts? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 09:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I am that "another editor". The thing is that in 2007 scouts-delegates on NOSU Congress has elected National Council with 16 members. Also at congress Chairman (Lev Zakharchyshyn) and Vice-Chairman (Valeriy Tantsiura) were elected. Since that time there were no congresses of delegates and no meetings of National Council to elect somebody else. That's all. --Yarko (talk) 13:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Андрій Чесноков" is mentioned twice on the site of Plast: http://www.plast.org.ua/news?newsid=2472 http://www.plast.org.ua/news?newsid=2461 , the last one says in translation: "Ukrainian delegation consisting of chairman nose Levko Zaharchyshyna, Vice Chairman nose Valeria Tantsyura, international komisara Andrei Chesnokov i member council nose Dmitry Muzala vidbuvaye July 11 to Republic of Korea to participate in vosmiy World Conference skautyzmu."  http://www.scout.org/en/content/download/11029/90938/file/C0811Ukraine_e.pdf says the same,  so Chesnokov is indeed the IntComm.  --Egel Reaction? 13:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could it be that Chesnokov was never elected but is acting IC? That would make this whole matter a misunderstanding. --jergen (talk) 15:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear collegues! I just want to point you on that fact that all that story about A. Chesnokov on IC is awfull misunderstanding. Once wrong putted information to mass-media caused this situation that we have now. That's why it's very important to make Wikipedia clear from wromg prejudiced information. I just can't get it - how somebody could be elected on some position without any elections? There were no elections for this point - it's a fact that nobody can refute. --Yarko (talk) 08:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  All content of Wikipedia should be based on reliable sources. Currently, we have the WOSM circular on Ukraine as sole source on the leadership of NOSU; WOSM is IMO reliable on Scouting issues. As long as there are no contradicting sources, we have to believe that A. Chesnokov is the IC of NOSU, following basic Wikipedia principles - even if this information is wrong. --jergen (talk) 09:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[National Organization of Scouts of Ukraine]] 

message: I'd like some practical advice. An article I started a few years ago has recently had a banner added to it acknowledging the references section, but asking for inline citations. I've still got my sources, so I can go back and fulfill this request, but I'm having trouble working out exactly what is good practice in this scenario. Should I just delete sources from the current list once they become inline citations? Do all sources end up in one section at the end (in two formats)? How should I proceed in converting the article? Kingbird (talk) 18:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:S-REF. Once you work your sources to inline, delete then from the list. The reflist will then populate. Don't forget to include page numbers. I suppose I've become an expert on this, so please ask me if you need more help. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  19:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Refs are one of my speciality too, so ask me too if you like.  — Rlevse • Talk •  19:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing reference systems? - advice wanted 

message: nominated Witold Pilecki for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Tom B (talk) 16:53, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Witold Pilecki 

message: Would anyone be interested in overhauling this project page with the Turnkey template? It would help make things more readable and organized I think. —Eustress talk 00:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Gadget850 just made us a new layout. The turnkey one is gaudy and takes more room. — Rlevse • Talk •  00:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like some bits and pieces of it. I will think on this a bit. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  12:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turnkey template 

message: See Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-02-23/Article_Alerts, there's potential here. Anyone wants to use it, go sign yourself/us up.  — Rlevse • Talk •  22:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done on the main project page. It will take a few days for this to process, so I disabled the display for now. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  22:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now live at Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Article alerts. I will look at this a bit to see how we might best format it. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  02:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we somehow transclude the ones that have actual listings? Or at least add the page to the nav bar?  — Rlevse • Talk •  02:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I thinking there are ways to format the output, but I have not looked at this closely yet. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  11:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Will this also pick up new articles, and/or ones with keywords that we might have missed, like we find from time to time? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 06:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No. It only monitors pages that already have the project banner. It will also not pick up processes that do not have a template. For example: if you start a discussion to delete an article without adding the AfD template, then there is no way for the system to pick it up. You probably noted that Witold Pilecki was automatically added because of the FAR template. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  11:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Okay, then there is a bot that does the process I described, can we sign up for that too? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What bot? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  16:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I asked about this some months ago. Something like can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Lithuania#New_articles_found_by_bot . Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we do that? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 11:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can figure out what bot is doing this, we can take a look. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  18:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article monitoring 

message: I like the changes to the new interface. I have a couple suggestions:
*Call the Coordinators section Project leadership or Project coordinators so that the subheading structure is parallel with other sections.
*Is an Admin section necessary? It takes up a lot of room at present and they're not WikiProject admins but admins over the entire encyclopedia. Maybe they could be marked accordingly on the list of project participants, with a link somehow incorporated into the Project coordinators section.
*Is there anyway to get the project shortcuts inside the header? (i.e., inside the tan WikiProject Scouting banner).
Keep up the good work! —Eustress talk 03:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New project interface 

message: Hi!  I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate.  This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group.  If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. — Delievered by §hepBot (Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 06:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinators' working group 

message: You may have noticed the refresh of the main project page. I have broken it up into severl different subpages so that you can watch only the parts you desire. You can use the link at Watching project pages to add project pages to your watchlist. I appreciate any feedback on the project page, bad or good.
--—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  22:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Overall, very nice. "News" at the top should link to announcements and "Task forces" should link to Taskforces, if this is poss, both are red links right now.  — Rlevse • Talk •  23:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project page 

message: Admins can now move images. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  00:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, is there a bot that can help? I have been gradully tagging bunches of images thus. The names are incorrect or not descriptive enough, hence the tag. Many of my early ones from when I knew no better are totally misnamed. I tagged ones on Commons, someone had a bot going or something, things were renamed within hours. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 00:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:AWB — Rlevse • Talk •  00:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Appears there were some problems and it has been disabled. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  15:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, for the hundreds that were changed recently, do we need to go back and manually change the hyperlinks then, or is that not one of the problems? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 05:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Updating the links would be a good thing. It sure makes it hard to see what article the image is used in and I'm not sure how the bots are going to handle it. I would not be surprised to get messages that these images are not used in an article. When I was renaming by hand, I fixed the links in the article first, then moved the image. I have also been updating the rationale for logos to use . --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  09:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Be careful when you change to logo fur, some are losing the source info. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 10:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming images 

message: With all of the thousands of logos we maintain, we have only had subcategories for the BSA. This makes it difficult for editors to manage the images where they have a direct interest. We need to split these up so that images are easier to track and cleanup.
AS a start, I created :Category:World Organization of the Scout Movement logos and :Category:World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts logos for images specific to those associations and have updated .
I tweaked  so that is is easier to see where to add new categories. We have had some instructions in the category headers— I have standardized this with .
As to organization: this should follow the article categories. How far down to go is up to editors. For example: whether you need a category for Scouting and Guiding in Australia logos or a Scouts Australia logos category will depend on the number of images in question. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  13:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: good work.  — Rlevse • Talk •  13:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, very good work. I hope people take it up and use it as intended. I am not that "in" to logos, so I will not follow up the Australia suggestion. UK is a more likely target for a category on its own. --Bduke  (Discussion) 20:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Category:The Scout Association logos created and populated. Scouts Canada is probably next. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  01:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image categories 

message: Please look at a proposal at Talk:Scouting and Guiding in Australia#State and Territory articles and comment there. We currently have no coverage on Guiding in the States and Territories, and only one Guiding article. Briefly the proposal is to to cover Guiding in the articles such as Scouting in Victoria, with of course a rename of these articles to, for example, Scouting and Guiding in Victoria. Note that the current articles cover all Scouting organisations, but not Guiding. They are not just about Scouts Australia. Comments are welcome. --Bduke  (Discussion) 21:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea. — Rlevse • Talk •  21:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have started with the smallest and easiest - Scouting and Guiding in the Northern Territory. --Bduke  (Discussion) 22:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guiding in the States and Territories of Australia 

message: We have been at this multiple times, so let me recap:
# Logos of awards, events and organizations are treated somewhat differently from other non-free images; see Wikipedia:Logos
# The current logo inherently illustrates the award, event or organization and does not require any commentary, although such commentary may certainly be included
# Logos may not be used in lists or galleries; such use is considered decorative
# Using multiple logos in an article that covers multiple awards, events or organizations is acceptable, as long as each logo has significant related content
# There is no limit as to the number of logos used in an article, as long as the other guidelines are met, but each individual non-free logo should be used a minimum number of times
# Using an historical logo simply to show that an organization was active at a certain period is not acceptable unless the logo has significant related content
* Rule of thumb: include content before uploading the related logo
Some time back, I started a list of articles with issues. Little has happened to resolve the issues. I am going to take a different approach and will begin tagging the images in question. After some investigation, it appears that we are rather unique in this problem, so I have created a template for:
This will place the image in :Category:Non-free Scout logos with no related content. Hopefully we can start cleaning this out before we are forced to delete images. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  15:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I will need help with this, as I'm kind of mystified and also swamped right now. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 04:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-free Scout logos with no related content 

message: Since the Canadian provinces have been moved to "Scouting and Guiding in..." the Australian states should also be moved. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 05:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but the move should happen at the same time that Guiding information is added. I have this on my "to do" list, but feel free to add Guide content. I do not think we have an Australian Guide editor, but Kingbird says that she plans to help out in May. --Bduke  (Discussion) 23:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Scouting in Victoria]] ... 

message: This is to let people know that there is only a day or so left on a poll. The poll is an attempt to end years of argument about autoformatting which has also led to a dispute about date linking. Your votes are welcome at: Wikipedia:Date formatting and linking poll. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 12:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll: autoformatting and date linking 

message: Do we really need an article dedicated to troop closures? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That was what was left after I removed the copyvio. --Egel Reaction? 14:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

text: The images have been listed on the image problem page for a while as Images uploaded by Arklow 1. --Gadget850 (talk) 22:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[History of Sea Scouting (Scouting Ireland)]] 

message: I have just tagged Stephen Breyer, an Eagle Scout and DESA recipient who just happens to be an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court for this project. FYI, the article is a GA, and since the redesign of the project page, I don't know where to let people know about these types of finds. -MBK004 23:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is fine.  — Rlevse • Talk •  23:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newly tagged GA 

message: So is this project exclusive only to BoyScouts/GirlScouts? As in, it wouldn't cover Camp Fire USA? - ℅ ✰ALLST☆R✰ echo 20:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, answered my own question via the WikiProject Scouting banner on the Camp Fire USA article. - ℅ ✰ALLST☆R✰ echo 20:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting#Scope  — Rlevse • Talk •  20:38, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And yes, I saw you stuffed your userbox back in. Snooze. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: With an edit summary of "more to come" so no need to be snipey. - ℅ ✰ALLST☆R✰ echo 21:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: The Yahoo! Geocities webhost will be discontinued in the near future. We have several references from this host: links
We need to start looking for sources to replace these. Perhaps we need to tag the talk pages using these links. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geocities 

message: BP made a "peace cruise" on this ship in 1938. No mention in either article. Anyone? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Was it just some ship he sailed on or did the peace cruise have a Scouting connection beyond that?  — Rlevse • Talk •  17:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally Scouting, I have a flag that has both the fleur-de-lis and the trefoil on it, blue on half, green on half, that was made for all the dining tables on ship. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Added to the SS Orduna page. DiverScout (talk) 08:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Thank you for that! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:10, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[SS Orduna]] 

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thread_title:  GA Sweeps invitation 

message: Now that Scouting and Guiding by country is finished, we need to work the other categories:
* Scouting 
* Guiding 
* Scouting images 
* International Scouting 
** International Scouting leaders 
** International Scouting organizations 
* People associated with Scouting 
* Scout and Guide awards
* Scout campsites 
* Scout leader training 
* Scouting events 
** Scouting jamborees 
* Scouting ideals 
* Scouting in popular culture 
* Scouting museums 
* Scouting organizations and associations 
** Disbanded Scouting organizations
** International Scouting organizations
** Non-aligned Scouting organizations
** Scouting-related associations
** Scouting spoken word files
** Scouting uniform
** Scouting-related lists
** Scouting stubs
These should be fairly simple. Anyone see any issues? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean renaming them to "Scouting and Guiding", or other fixes? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes- rename to "Scouting and Guiding" as appropriate. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:45, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: There are three sections on child protection. Does anyone else see this as undue weight? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it also as undue weight, but I understand the reason why it is added. I think the text can stay, but not in separate  sections. --Egel Reaction? 21:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. It's an important topic but should be in a summary para for the whole article. It does not warrant a section for each country. The format as it is at the moment would be more appropo for an article on "Child Protection In Scouting".  — Rlevse • Talk •  22:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have merged the content into one section.  It was repeated due to the intended forking out of BPSAFC and BPSAI into their own respective articles - but as this has not taken place I agree that having the heading repeated caused possible undue emphasis.  It is, however, an exceptionally important area. DiverScout (talk) 06:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Baden-Powell Scouts' Association]] 

message: now has a new parameter: . When set to no, it suppresses the display of the portal at the bottom of the template. This is for multiple uses of the template within an article, such as Sea Scouts (The Scout Association) or Stonewall Jackson Area Council. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 00:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea.  — Rlevse • Talk •  01:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also added some prefilled samples to the documentation for BSA councils, camps and lodges. Please add any others that you might use regularly. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated the image parameter. If someone uses full image syntax with brackets, the image will now show. Added the alt text field for screen readers and text browsers— this defaults to the name if not supplied. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox WorldScouting 

message: Boyce will appear on the main page on June 16 UTC. Be Prepared. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Zowie.  — Rlevse • Talk •  20:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  William D. Boyce 

message: I can't seem to find any material on Wikipedia about the boy scout trail signs.  Apologies if this is not the right place to mention this.  --Doradus  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.225.35 (talk) 11:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Moving this to the group page so it can be seen. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Trail blazing ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trail signs 

message: Neil Armstrong has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  03:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neil Armstrong GAR notice 

message: I have only just come across the Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge and its sub-pages such as Outline of the United Kingdom, Outline of the United States,Outline of Australia, etc. None of these seem to have any mention of Scouting or youth movements and organizations in general. Should they have? If so, could we agree on how mention should be made? Do we come under "culture" or "education" or some where else? I'm not sure. --Bduke  (Discussion) 03:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Society. See WP:FPO, where our portal is listed in the "Social sciences and society" section. Either just add it, or create a "Youth organizations" subpage and listed several well know ones with portals. — Rlevse • Talk •  10:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking of adding our "Scouting and Guiding in XX" articles to some country outlines, but they do not have a Social sciences and society section. As I said, "culture" or "education" seem to come closest. --Bduke  (Discussion) 11:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In such a case, culture would be better than education.  — Rlevse • Talk •  21:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we do both? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not think that two mentions of Scouting in one outline artcile would be accepted. Why not you guys gave a think about what to add to Outline of the United States? I am really still unclear looking at Outline of Australia.--Bduke  (Discussion) 23:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outline of knowledge 

message: I have reviewed Arthur Rose Eldred for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 22:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been saved by JGHowes and myself.  — Rlevse • Talk •  12:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arthur Rose Eldred GA Sweeps: On Hold 

message: As we near the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11, the article on Neil Armstrong could use just a little work.
#Someone has tagged a few sentences "citation needed" - it would be great to get those cleaned-up.
#There seems to be a small discrepancy between Apollo 11 and Neil Armstrong concerning how much fuel the lunar lander had for landing.
Thanks for your help, JMG (talk) 07:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Neil Armstrong]] needs help 

message: I have added the project to the Popular pages tool. Once configured, the most popular pages will be added to Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Popular pages. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular pages 

message: Thanks to User:Scouts2012, Scouting and Guiding in Argentina was expanded with material from the Spanish article - but unfortunately, his English is worse than mine. Could anybosy with a better understanding of both English and Spanish try to correct the article? Thank you. --jergen (talk) 08:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Scouting and Guiding in Argentina]] in need of major cleanup 

message: Does anyone have B-P's African Adventures? The final chapter details the B-Ps visit to Ascension and St Helena and I'm sure it contains information that would be helpful for Scouting and Guiding on Saint Helena and Ascension Island. Kingbird (talk) 21:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  African Adventures 

message: After a recent request, I added WikiProject Scouting to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 02:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pageview stats 

message: Fawzy Farghaly the former Regional Director for the World Scout Bureau, Arab Regional Office. passed away
http://www.scouting4peace.org/forum/topics/fawzy-farghaly-the-former
انا لله و انا اليه راجعون .. القائد فوزى فرغلى فى رحاب الله
ببالغ الاسى والحزن تنعى مؤسسه الكشفية من اجل السلام الاخ والاب والقائد والصديق القائد ...فوزى فرغلى
فى رحاب الله . ستظل دائما دكراك فى قلوبنا
http://www.scouting4peace.org/forum/topics/fawzy-farghaly-the-former  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.14.169.171 (talk) 04:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there enough to write an article? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 07:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Fawzy Farghaly]] 

message: The Scout Association was moved to The Scout Association in the United Kingdom. Discuss on the talk page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Scout Association in the United Kingdom 

message: The Governor General of Jamaica, Sir Patrick Allen is now the Chief Scout of Jamaica. Sir Patrick was invested by the Scout Association of Jamaica at a ceremony at Kings House on Friday morning, September 4, 2009. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 07:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chief Scout of Jamaica 

message: Somewhat off topic, but here goes nothing... I'm currently writing/editing some articles regarding knots in several language versions of Wikipedia, but sometimes find it hard to tie my writings together, inter-wiki wise... Most printed dictionaries only include rather a few names of knots, and only give a translation in two languages. I've had no luck finding the information on the Internet, either. If any of you fellow Wikipedians can share a link to an online-dictionary specialized in knots and ropewalks and such, it would be of great help! I know it's a slightly weird request, but there's dictionaries for most any field of work on the 'Net, so why not knots... :-) For obvious reasons I'm mainly interested in translations between languages I speak myself, i.e. English, Swedish, German and Danish. Thanks! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found the pages at Siempre Scout helpful for Spanish names of knots.  It's not a dictionary, but there are pictures so it's easy to be sure you've got the right knot. Kingbird (talk) 15:38, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knots in different languages 

message: The recent software update include an update to the footnotes system. You can now bunch all of the citations together under the References heading and then call them in the text as needed. See WP:LDR. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:32, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List-defined references 

message: I've just made a stub on Simon C. Yew, an important figure in the development of scouting in Sabah - but I'm interested in him more for his art and know nothing about scouting.  Could someone look over what I've produced and check for howlers please?  The source I used says he received his warrant in 1923 from BP but I assume everyone did (through the post, a certificate signed by him maybe?), and that it doesn't mean he was personally presented with it by BP, for example; and would I be correct in assuming a scout leader is the same as a scout master? (the redirect would suggest so!).  Many thanks Jasper33 (talk) 18:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A Scout leader is any adult involved in Scouting. A Scoutmaster is the person in charge of the program side of the unit/troop and is generally considered the primary adult who "runs" the troop from the adult side; keep in mind Scouting is "youth led" under adult guidance. I'll look at the article.  — Rlevse • Talk •  19:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks.  Apols for failing to capitalise! Jasper33 (talk) 19:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article lookover please 

message: Is Boy Scouts of America membership controversies. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This should be interesting. — Rlevse • Talk •  11:21, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, yeah, like the Chinese curse... Maybe it won't be so bad, but god that gets old... Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It surprised me that it got chosen for the front page, someone likes fireworks it seems (I would expect more a feature article review for it).  I'm keeping a bit of an eye on it as it is an article I've contributed to in the past (and it is the second article in two weeks that I've done work on that has made Today's featured article (though I did a lot more on the other)).--Erp (talk) 16:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Today's featured article 

message: File moving was recently re-enabled for admins, thus images can now be renamed. I am working through this and am up to "T". See Scouting logo rename requests
If you want to request a rename, add  at the top of the the file page.
Admins can add  to their JS to add a speedy move tab that will make the move using the  name and then remove the template.
Some problem requests:
;Target exists and is a variant
* :File:RussiaGGemblemcopy.jpg → :File:Russian Association of Girl Scouts.jpg
* :File:Council of Scout Associations in Bosnia and Herzegovina.png → :File:Savjet izviđačkih organizacija u Bosni i Hercegovini.png
* :File:Fédération du Scoutisme Tchadien purple.png → :File:Fédération du Scoutisme Tchadien.jpg
:Suggested differing names in one of each pair. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:40, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image renaming 

message: We have some images named "Scouting in..."  For example, the way :File:Scouting in Samoa.jpg is used implies it is the primary emblem of Scouting and Guiding in Samoa. We should get these tagged for rename with proper names. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but we need to know what the proper name is, like in the example you list it only "Samoa" and there's nothing that to me obviously tells you what it's for, not even Scouting. — Rlevse • Talk •  16:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  File:Scouting in... 

message: Thanks to Phips' legwork, we now have http://sac.clubspaces.com/PageCustom.aspx?id=28&o=269194  . Whatever WOSM acknowledges, the People's Republic of China does now have multiple and originally separate Scouting activities within its borders, more so than many African countries. It doesn't make any sense for us to overlook the facts on the ground, just because WOSM doesn't say it's so. I propose that it is time for us to move the People's Republic of China from the "Countries with no Scouting organization" list to the "Other status" or the "'Potential member countries' listed by WOSM" list (though that one isn't strictly true until acknowledged), and change the maps and templates to reflect it accordingly. Thoughts? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 03:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And this members section looks like the Asia-Pacific Region is supporting them. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 03:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections/discussion after a week? I'm gonna go ahead and change the stuff, then. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Scout Association of the People's Republic of China]] 

message: I received this e-mail, is it worth an article? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Boy Scouts of America centennial ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:57, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, and I even worked on it. I am retarded. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 19:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Boy Scouts of America 100th Year Celebration]] 

message: It's become obvious that my duties as a sitting arbitrator do not allow me to spend sufficient time in my duties as our lead coordinator. I am a founding member of our project and have served as lead coordinator since the beginning, which was 4 years ago in Jan 2006. Sometimes change is good. I just updated Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Members and we now have more former/inactive members than active (defined as editing within 6 months). We need new blood. Some of coordinator positions are empty too as far as users having quit totally or not editing Scouting articles. The drop in new users is a wiki-wide issue. I talked to User:Bduke and I'm sure he'll oversee the handling of electing a new lead coord. Anyone who wants to fill this spot as lead coord please indicate your desire here. I've really enjoyed being so involved in this project and will continue to do so, but just in a different role. I'll still do the monthly portal updates too.  — Rlevse • Talk •  02:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank oyu for your important contribution to the project. I didn't realize until now that we started four years ago. --jergen (talk) 08:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stepping down as ScoutingWikiProject Lead Coordinator 

message: Having joined the Scouting project about two years ago, I extend my appreciation to Rlevse for his support and making me comfortable in adding/editing a few articles here and there. His leadership will be missed, but I'm sure new blood will come forth. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 19:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks for the Scout handshake

message: ===Nominations===
Editors interested in becoming the lead coordinator should nominate themselves by adding their name to the list:
*User:Gadget850 - Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 21:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you add yourself and Gadget850?  — Rlevse • Talk •  21:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See my talk he said he's only adding Gadget850. — Rlevse • Talk •  21:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Second the nomination of Gadget Purplebackpack89 (talk) 02:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Third the nom of Gadget if he will take the reins. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I fourth Gadget's nomination. Considering the apparent consensus coming up here, I think the formal election in January will be just that: a formality. Wim van Dorst (talk) 22:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I fifth the nomination. Someone's gotta be our Chief Scout. Geoff Plourde (talk) 19:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project coordinator election 

message: Editors interested in becoming the lead coordinator should nominate themselves by adding their name to the list:
*User:Gadget850 - Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 21:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you add yourself and Gadget850?  — Rlevse • Talk •  21:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See my talk he said he's only adding Gadget850. — Rlevse • Talk •  21:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Second the nomination of Gadget Purplebackpack89 (talk) 02:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Third the nom of Gadget if he will take the reins. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I fourth Gadget's nomination. Considering the apparent consensus coming up here, I think the formal election in January will be just that: a formality. Wim van Dorst (talk) 22:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I fifth the nomination. Someone's gotta be our Chief Scout. Geoff Plourde (talk) 19:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nominations

message: The election will be held the first week of January.
First, a Happy New Year to all members of the Project and a massive thanks to User:Rlevse for his work as lead coordinator for the project since it started. I was pushed into having a role in the appointment of the lead coordinator way back, I think because of my role as the Project mediation person. Elections are a kind of mediation I guess. We are in general a happy lot and little mediation is required. This is the case here, so I declare User:Gadget850 to be appointed our lead coordinator for 2010 without dissent. Congratulations, Ed. --Bduke  (Discussion) 20:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Election

message: There is some discussion wether an alleged connection to the Hippie movement should be included in the article Wandervogel. Please comment on Talk:Wandervogel#Wandervogel and Hippies?. --jergen (talk) 17:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC: [[Wandervogel]] 

message: Koshare Indian Dancers is on today's DYK, thanks Randy! (didn't know where to post this)
::Good job Chris! — Rlevse • Talk •  15:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Koshare Indian Dancers]] 

message: Over the last few weeks, Gadget850 has improved virtually every Scout image on the Wikipedia, turning all jpgs into pngs, making all backgrounds transparent and fixing licensing tags, easily a thousand images and more. I am a firm believer that images convey information and thoughts that words alone cannot, that they enhance our understanding and preserve our history. Thank you so much! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you for the huge load of work! 

message: I received this from the World Scout Bureau "Dear Chris, Thanks for checking.The information came from an internal memo from the director general of the World Scout Foundation, where I am its chairman. The memo has been pasted below. Sincerely, Lars Kolind, Chairman  * www.kolindkuren.dk * www.twitter.com/kolind Here is the memo:  Laszlo Nagy RIP From: John Geoghegan  Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 at 9:55pm Your Majesty, Dear Members of the Board It is my sad duty to inform you that our good friend and former Secretary General of WOSM, Laszlo Nagy passed away this evening. Luc has just called me with this news. As soon as we know what the arrangements are, we will keep you informed. John Geoghegan"
Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  László Nagy 

message: You all probably know that orienteering is a basic Scoutcraft skill, and that there are Orienteering requirements for First Class and an Orienteering merit badge.  However, if you go to the orienteering wikipedia article, it focuses mostly on the sport of orienteering.  That is why I have created Orienteering (scoutcraft), which focuses on orienteering, but not as a sport.  If this article sticks, I'm going to redirect most of the Scout-related links to orienteering to it rather than to the big orienteering article.  Feel free to add images, text, etc, and give me your thoughts. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 17:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orienteering 

message: Boy Scouts of America membership controversies has been nom'd for FAR at: Wikipedia:Featured article review/Boy Scouts of America membership controversies/archive2 — Rlevse • Talk •  15:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR