Talk:Westerplatte

message: The link to gis.gdansk.pl is broken and redirects to gdansk.pl 83.29.215.226 10:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: , you seem confused both on the purpose of this article and on wiki policy.
Let me try to clarify some things for you. 
(1)The article is about Westerplatte. It is not some sort of shrine dedicated to the 1939 Battle of Westerplatte, it is simply an article about the Polish Military Transit Depot (WST), situated in the territory of the Free City of Danzig. As such it can contain a section on the 1939 battle, and any other intresting aspects related to it, whatever the year they refer to!
I write this referring to your revert where you refuse my request to take your perceived issues to the talk page: Qote your edit summary: (what's to take? 1933 events are completely irrelevant to the 1939 ones, unless you can cite a scholarly ref that draws a connection)
I hope we can agree that this article is not only about Westerplatte during the year 1939? Otherwise we must rename it. If you feel that the link to the Gleiwitz incident is too tenuous, then deleting that sentence would have sufficed nicely.
(2) I think the fact that Poland in 1933 offered France that they would manufacture a staged "incident" in Westerplatte in order to justify a war against Germany is quite Notable. If you disagree then take your arguments to the talk page. Simply reverting and refusing to discuss is very impolite. I attach the disputed text below:
Polish 1933 War Proposal
:In 1933 Poland repeatedly tried to involve France in a "preventive war" against Germany. The Polish dictator offered to provide a faked "incident" in Westerplatte as casus belli to justify the invasion of Germany.
The above comment has only one purpose: to unfairly portray Poland as an aggressive country, the intention expressed especially by the use of double quotes around the "preventive war". The author somehow fails to notice that the "Polish dictator's" proposal was issued after Adolf Hitler became democratically elected leader of the great German nation and that its pure intention WAS to prevent the bloodshed that followed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.218.41.190 (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The offer was rejected, and instead the Germans would create the Gleiwitz incident 6 year later to justify their invasion of Poland.
I hope you can now agree on including the text, or present a reasonable argument against the inclusion!--Stor stark7 Talk 18:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

text: The entire idea of the 1933 war proposal is still not universally accepted by the historians. But I guess while this borders on fringe trivia, this may stay in the article - the problem is we simply don't have the history section necessary for this trivia fact to look not completely out of context.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish 1933 war proposal 

message: Hi. Somebody requested a third opinion. It looks like you two have come to consensus here, so I'm not sure what opining you need.
I agree that the fact is interesting and relevant. It would be better if you could link to some other article that discussed the topic further, and I'd be inclined to replace the phrase "Polish dictator" with the name of the person involved. As to not having a history section, perhaps you could create one, although since the bulk of the article seems to be military history, having it as a top-level section seemed like a reasonable start. 
Piotrus, I'll add that removing somebody's good-faith edit with "totally irrelevant" does not demonstrate the consideration due your fellow editors. Reverting a second time after being asked to discuss it on the talk page is inappropriate, borders on edit warring, and contributed to Stor stark7 being needlessly riled up. In the future, I'd recommend trying to show a little more grace. William Pietri (talk) 03:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion =

message: Earlier History of Westerplatte in Prussia, Germany, Freie Stadt Danzig (which Radeszk and Jazurek keep removing, to keep you from knowing about)
:There's nothing wrong with including earlier history of Westerplatte but please: 1) Use English. 2) Do so in a NPOV manner. 3) No OR "x was like y". 4) Use reliable secondary sources. Finally, you've been warned about trying to use article's talk pages as an "alternative" POV fork for the article itself. It's disruptive, don't do it.radek (talk) 19:45, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Anon using talk page as article POV fork again

message: Ostseebad Westerplatte was like Ostseebad Broesen and Ostseebad Heubude a Baltic Sea Resort, see photos/postcards  The resort/health spa on the peninsula Westerplatte was established c1830 and had a beach, forrested park, Kurhaus and other oceanside baths and health spa facilities. 
March 14, 1924 the League of Nations gave Poland authorization to use the Westerplatte for Polish ammunition and other war material equipment transport, under protest of the Danzig Senate and the Senate President Heinrich Sahm. It did not become Polish State territory, but was under control of Polish military, which in effect controlled Danzig's shipping lane from the harbor to the open Baltic Sea.
The Westerplatte then became famous for the Battle of Westerplatte, which was the first clash between Polish and German forces. It was followed by the  Invasion of Poland and thus the first battle of the European theater of World War II. (71.137.194.46 (talk) 07:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The second and third paras are already covered. The first one is new, can this be referenced? I am afraid an old photo is not good enough for a reference. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:52, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

text: There's nothing wrong with including information that Westerplatte was a spa and a health resort before WWI. No one's objecting to that. But you're mixing up this with other POV edits and in addition you're writing a good chunk of the text in German and sourcing it with primary sources (a postcard) rather than reliable secondary sources.radek (talk) 18:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

text: An 1880s book mentioning a resort there:  (incidentally it should be probably wikisourced). Anyway, I restored some info about the pre-war resort. Feel free to expand it, preferably with sources more reliable than old postcards. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:11, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Baltic Sea Resort and Spa

message: This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review

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