Talk:Ned Kelly

message: Hello all,
I have rewritten this section. I have removed some unencyclopaedic language and have tried to present factual information more concisely. I have also removed some incorrect and inadequately sourced information and added information with citations. I have replaced some outdated sources with more recent scholarship. Happy to discuss. --Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 04:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Glenrowan Affair 

message: While the reward of £8,000 in a caption definitely warrants the conversion to modern currency, how do we feel about the other monetary amounts listed throughout the article? I think it's helpful to have, but I'd like to have other people sound off on whether this would be appropriate. Electricmaster (talk) 07:21, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with this, as much as my opinion matters. 92.236.211.53 (talk) 08:22, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: All opinions matter! The problem is we need a reliable source for the currency conversion. There isn't one for the caption in the reward notice which means it should be removed under policy. Another problem is that because of inflation we would need to constantly update the conversions which would be a real pain. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currency conversions. 

message: Should the article explain Kelly's acquisition of Australian citizenship, given that he was born in a then-British colony? JezGrove (talk) 20:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see that this is an issue. All reliable sources refer to him as an Australian bushranger and he certainly didn't identify as British. His notatiblity comes from being an Australian bushranger. This is perfectly consistent with MOS:NATIONALITY. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:37, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship / Nationality 

message: Kind of hard to grasp reward amounts from this era without modern-day approximations. Should this be introduced. I've invoked it for the Aus gold rushes, which was of a similar era. Thoughts?  Electricmaster (talk) 07:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it is useful because the result would be misleading. I understand that there is a template which provides an adjustment of money amount for inflation, but such templates are only as useful as the source data. Consumer inflation is usually calculated using the change in price of a "typical" basket of goods and services, but there is no comparison between a typical basket of goods and services in 1880 compared with today. Today, people spend a lot of money on cars, laptops and iphones; these didn't exist in 1880. Today a typical house in Melbourne costs $800k; in 1880 Ned built a loghouse for his family himself. A more useful comparison (IMHO) would be reward money expressed a a multiple of the average wage. Unfortunately such a comparison would involve original research. Also see my concerns last time you raised this issue. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 09:44, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  inflation calcs 

message: Why does the lead paragraph describe him as a police-murderer? Are police lives more valuable in Australia? Sorry. I'm American. Maybe I don't get it because we at least pretend to value all human life equally even if we dont always live up to it. And also everyone here hates the police except the police, their wives/husbands, and the mob bosses that pay them to ignore their crimes. And Republicans, I guess. They want to enforce their way of life on everyone else by any means necessary. But seriously, are we suggesting that killing a policeman is a worse crime than killing someome else? Not if Im on the jury. 2600:1702:AC1:3BA0:8DB:1F30:8D14:FE09 (talk) 16:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Kelly was convicted of murdering a policeman. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Was he? The article says he "was convicted of the willful murder of Lonigan". Yes, he murdered someone who was a policeman, but it's not clear to me that the crime was different form murdering a non-policeman. The source is a book, so I can't check. HiLo48 (talk) 09:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Police-murderer?