Talk:My Chemical Romance/Archive 2

message: I put this page under semi-protection due to heavily recent anonymous/new users vandalism. Let this be a warning to all standard users as well. Take my advice. I strongly urge you all to think before you edit. -Follow The Leader 18:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Their country of origin. So yeah, New Jersey, USA. All band pages should have it.  Orfen User Talk 21:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-Protection

message: Just reminding all those MCR fans out there to check out Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects for Wikiproject: My Chemical Romance! Just add your name to the list of interested users and then add User:Icelandic Hurricane/Wikipedia:WikiProject My Chemical Romance. So far, there are two members. Once 5 users join, I'll make the project official. Hope you join! íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 23:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WPMCR

message: Can someone who isnt a complete nerd rewrite all that stuff about fan fiction? or can we take it out? its completely unecessary and obviously written by someone who knows way to much about it. stop writing gay stories about original bands who get really big and then becuase of their talent play themselves into the "sellout" corner! (very reminicent of green day in the past several years) Avenged Evanfold 00:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still sourced criticism which is the issue they were having with the Green Day article recently. They didn't have sourced criticism but no one wanted to take it out. We sort of in the opposite right now. We have sourced criticism (the fan fiction) and everyone wants it out. I think it needs to stay in there because it is neutral. Both sides are covered. I will look at it and see if I can make it a little better but it needs to stay in because it's sourced.  Orfen User Talk 01:32, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reworked the whole section to my best ability, however some stuff still needs sources and it might need some more work. Basically about the fan fiction though I removed the specifics since we don't really need to know who the fan fiction is about. Other than that I worked some stuff around to try and make it a little more organized.  Orfen User Talk 01:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: i found some decent photos on this site . id add one myself, but i've no clue how to cits it.Dizzydark 00:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if we're allowed to use that pic. Someone should contact an admin. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 15:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: picture

message: There are two pages for the song Dead!...
#Dead!
#Dead!
CustardToast 15:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: NOt anymore. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 13:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead!

message: I'm kinda busy right now, but someone can move the temporary project page for WPMCR to a normal wikiproject page and make it an official wikiproject. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 15:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, done... I added a redirect on your User Page one, so if you don't want that you can always just delete it, but it's at Wikipedia:WikiProject My Chemical Romance and a shortcut at WP:MCR. Was wondering when you were going to get around to doing the page, I can add more to it later.  Orfen User Talk 23:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WPMCR

message: They are NOT horror punk. Having a sort of horror/goth influenced image does not make them horror punk. Dwnsjane2 19:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Horror rock is music about vampires and stuff, which makes them Horror rock, or atleast their first 2 albums. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 23:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the genre is for their music which is influenced by horror films. It has a somewhat supernatural or movie, theatrical feel to it. I do not believe it was horror punk that was listed as the genre but rather horror rock, which is different.  Orfen User Talk 00:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That's because there isn't a page for horror rock; it's a redirect to horror punk, which they most certainly do not play. --Switch 00:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an element of punk in their music. No it's probably not their primary genre and horror rock or horror punk probably isn't either, however there is still a little bit of influence. There are plenty of songs dealing with the supernatural and other horror elements. "Vampires Will Never Hurt You" is most certainly one of them. Also a lot of the songs on their new album have to do with Hell and demons. The 2nd album was about making a deal with the devil. I'm not saying it is their primary genre but I'm saying it should be listed because it has been talked about in their music and not just once or twice.  Orfen User Talk 01:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Orfen. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 01:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Characteristics such as? íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 22:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That isn't a requirement for a band to be a certain genre. My Chemical Romance is about My Chemical Romance and not what the members have done in other bands. But about the horror punk/horror rock thing... If the article says that The Misfits are horror punk and My Chemical Romance does claim them as an influence and they do have songs about horror movies, books, and other horror themes shouldn't they be horror rock?  Orfen User Talk 21:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Horror rock", maybe. But horror rock doesn't have an article, and it redirects to horror punk, which they don't play. Tough call.
But Post-Hardcore is really just a term that refers to non-Hardcore Punk bands whose members were previously in Hardcore Punk bands. --Inhumer 02:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: No, it isn't. It's a genre with defined characteristics. --Switch 11:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Not really what? Can you please elaborate on your comment?  Orfen User Talk 23:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not horror punk

message: Should we create a section on merchandise? I think it should be done, but I don't think I would be the person to write it. Also, what about a tribute section? íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 14:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm no sure it really needed. If you could make it sound likes its important to how the band works then maybe it would fit.--Lotrgamemast 17:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to agree. I don't feel it is really needed because they don't have any Merchandise that is out of the ordinary and needs to be mentioned. They got t-shirts, action figures, and loads of other clothing and little extra stuff. I just feel it needs to be mentioned. If you could however find a good enough reason to add it, I would support it but right now I just don't see it. What would a tribute section be like though?  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Just mentioning any tributes to the band. Like I found a violin quartet tribute to MCR that's pretty cool. So I thought mentioning tributes to the band should be mentioned because it shows that they're very well known. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 18:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know a couple bands did some tribute CD with some of MCR's songs on it. I don't know, there might be some place for it in there, but I don't know. I'm not sure if it needs another section, maybe it does, but maybe it can be fit into the article somewhere.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merchandiase

message: I was wondering if we should add the video MTV2 has, for their "Under Pressure" song, from YouTube ().  I was going to add it, but I wasn't sure if it was against any copyright policies (as far as I know, it's not protected, as it hasn't been released).
:Just to be safe, I'd say don't add it since it's not really needed. It could and quite possibly is against copyright policies, but to make sure I'd say don't add it since there isn't an absolute need for a movie of "Under Pressure" mentioned.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Under Pressure Video

message: Here are the genres that it has been suggested be put in MCR's infobox. This is the place to debate the inclusion of those genres. Please inset rebuttals using colons (:) at the start of the line you are typing, and mark as rebuttals using italics. --Switch 11:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: MCR does fit into alternative rock.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having neo goth imagery doesn't make them a horror rock band. Horror rock is basically the same genre as horror punk. Which they are not. True, they claim to be influenced by the Misfits (Which is the only horror punk band they claim to be influenced by). And as you should know the Misfits have influenced many bands outside of horror punk. Dwnsjane2 22:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Beat me to saying it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwnsjane2 (talk • contribs)  22:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It says that post-hardcore bands eschew (that means forgo; so not comply to) the amateurish musicianship of punk. Their guitars aren't that intense, they don't have precise and unsyncopated rhythms, they don't feature "unique balance of dissonance and melody", or dissonance at all for that matter, they don't have "intensity and social awareness as well as a DIY punk ethic". Being influenced by punk doesn't mean you have to be either punk rock or post-hardcore. You could be any of the hundreds of alternative music subgenres. --Switch 06:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Furthermore the article states "However, the usage of this term does not mark a musical movement but rather a group of bands who draw influences from punk, emo, hardcore, metal, etc." Some of MCR's influences are punk bands and metal bands. Such as Iron Maiden, The Misfits, and Thursday (which is considered a Post-hardcore band).  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So? Most of Metallica's influences are hardcore (Black Flag, Misfts) and heavy metal. Does that make them post-hardcore? No. What about Nirvana? AFI? Caustic Christ? They aren't post-hardcore. --Switch 06:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree with most of that. The band basically lost their post-hardcore influences after their first album. Dwnsjane2 22:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So then we can put in the infobox "Post-Hardcore 2001-2004" and then whatever they are now after it. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 00:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still believe that they are still Post Hardcore, but I would agree with this. To put the years if the community believes that they are no longer Post-Hardcore.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 00:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't say one album that (sort of) belonged to the genre would constitute it being added as a primary genre for the band. Dwnsjane2 04:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --Switch 06:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed Dwnsjane2 22:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Strong support for pop punk. Nearly all sites call them that, including respected journals. --Switch 06:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They sound similar to Bad Religion and A Wilhelm Scream, not to mention them not being all that different than Panic! at the Disco. Pop-punk covers a wide variety of styles, and Warped Tour - which they've been on - is almost exclusively a pop-punk tour. --Switch 06:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genres in infobox - voting method

message: ====For====
MCR clearly fit into the alternative rock genre. As their genre is the source of much controversy, I think it should be left simply as "alternative rock" in the infobox, with the article giving additional information as it currently does. --Switch 11:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: MCR does fit into alternative rock.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Alternative rock]]

message: MCR clearly fit into the alternative rock genre. As their genre is the source of much controversy, I think it should be left simply as "alternative rock" in the infobox, with the article giving additional information as it currently does. --Switch 11:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: MCR does fit into alternative rock.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: For

message: They are simple far too mainstream orientated these days, to be considered an 'alternative' band. --Neon white 13:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Against

message: ====For====
MCR does have horror rock songs. Their music is influenced by horror movies and they have a horror style to their look. Their song titles even have a horror reference. I suggest if we cannot come to an agreement to use the link I suggest that we just put horror rock into the genre box because they still play horror rock. It is music influenced by horror movies and one of their influences is The Misfits which are listed in the horror punk article. I suggest we just list the genre even if we're not going to link to it.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having neo goth imagery doesn't make them a horror rock band. Horror rock is basically the same genre as horror punk. Which they are not. True, they claim to be influenced by the Misfits (Which is the only horror punk band they claim to be influenced by). And as you should know the Misfits have influenced many bands outside of horror punk. Dwnsjane2 22:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Beat me to saying it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwnsjane2 (talk • contribs)  22:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Horror rock]]

message: MCR does have horror rock songs. Their music is influenced by horror movies and they have a horror style to their look. Their song titles even have a horror reference. I suggest if we cannot come to an agreement to use the link I suggest that we just put horror rock into the genre box because they still play horror rock. It is music influenced by horror movies and one of their influences is The Misfits which are listed in the horror punk article. I suggest we just list the genre even if we're not going to link to it.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having neo goth imagery doesn't make them a horror rock band. Horror rock is basically the same genre as horror punk. Which they are not. True, they claim to be influenced by the Misfits (Which is the only horror punk band they claim to be influenced by). And as you should know the Misfits have influenced many bands outside of horror punk. Dwnsjane2 22:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: For

message: Horror rock, as you can see, does not have its own article and redirects to horror punk. They certainly do not meet the characteristics given in that article. As listing a genre they may fall under which redirects to a genre they don't fall under may confuse some users, it should not be included in the infobox. --Switch 11:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Beat me to saying it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwnsjane2 (talk • contribs)  22:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Against

message: ====For====
I do not understand where in the article it says that MCR could not qualify as not being Post-Hardcore. Their singer has an intensity to his vocals and their guitar playing is also intense. Their drum ryhthms are often simple but heavy. I am not sure how they are not post-hardcore. It says in the article that it is sometimes described as "sometimes amateurish musicianship of punk rock." MCR does have a punk element to them. If they are not post-hardcore and they are not punk rock, then what are they? Because there is still a slight bit of punk in their music and just about every song has that element. It isn't just one or two songs.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It says that post-hardcore bands eschew (that means forgo; so not comply to) the amateurish musicianship of punk. Their guitars aren't that intense, they don't have precise and unsyncopated rhythms, they don't feature "unique balance of dissonance and melody", or dissonance at all for that matter, they don't have "intensity and social awareness as well as a DIY punk ethic". Being influenced by punk doesn't mean you have to be either punk rock or post-hardcore. You could be any of the hundreds of alternative music subgenres. --Switch 06:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Furthermore the article states "However, the usage of this term does not mark a musical movement but rather a group of bands who draw influences from punk, emo, hardcore, metal, etc." Some of MCR's influences are punk bands and metal bands. Such as Iron Maiden, The Misfits, and Thursday (which is considered a Post-hardcore band).  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So? Most of Metallica's influences are hardcore (Black Flag, Misfts) and heavy metal. Does that make them post-hardcore? No. What about Nirvana? AFI? Caustic Christ? They aren't post-hardcore. --Switch 06:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree with most of that. The band basically lost their post-hardcore influences after their first album. Dwnsjane2 22:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So then we can put in the infobox "Post-Hardcore 2001-2004" and then whatever they are now after it. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 00:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still believe that they are still Post Hardcore, but I would agree with this. To put the years if the community believes that they are no longer Post-Hardcore.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 00:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't say one album that (sort of) belonged to the genre would constitute it being added as a primary genre for the band. Dwnsjane2 04:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --Switch 06:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed Dwnsjane2 22:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Post-hardcore]]

message: I do not understand where in the article it says that MCR could not qualify as not being Post-Hardcore. Their singer has an intensity to his vocals and their guitar playing is also intense. Their drum ryhthms are often simple but heavy. I am not sure how they are not post-hardcore. It says in the article that it is sometimes described as "sometimes amateurish musicianship of punk rock." MCR does have a punk element to them. If they are not post-hardcore and they are not punk rock, then what are they? Because there is still a slight bit of punk in their music and just about every song has that element. It isn't just one or two songs.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It says that post-hardcore bands eschew (that means forgo; so not comply to) the amateurish musicianship of punk. Their guitars aren't that intense, they don't have precise and unsyncopated rhythms, they don't feature "unique balance of dissonance and melody", or dissonance at all for that matter, they don't have "intensity and social awareness as well as a DIY punk ethic". Being influenced by punk doesn't mean you have to be either punk rock or post-hardcore. You could be any of the hundreds of alternative music subgenres. --Switch 06:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Furthermore the article states "However, the usage of this term does not mark a musical movement but rather a group of bands who draw influences from punk, emo, hardcore, metal, etc." Some of MCR's influences are punk bands and metal bands. Such as Iron Maiden, The Misfits, and Thursday (which is considered a Post-hardcore band).  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So? Most of Metallica's influences are hardcore (Black Flag, Misfts) and heavy metal. Does that make them post-hardcore? No. What about Nirvana? AFI? Caustic Christ? They aren't post-hardcore. --Switch 06:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree with most of that. The band basically lost their post-hardcore influences after their first album. Dwnsjane2 22:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So then we can put in the infobox "Post-Hardcore 2001-2004" and then whatever they are now after it. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 00:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still believe that they are still Post Hardcore, but I would agree with this. To put the years if the community believes that they are no longer Post-Hardcore.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 00:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't say one album that (sort of) belonged to the genre would constitute it being added as a primary genre for the band. Dwnsjane2 04:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --Switch 06:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: For

message: Do not meet the characteristics given on the article. Also bear no musical resemblance to archetypal post-hardcore bands such as Fugazi etc. --Switch 11:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed Dwnsjane2 22:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Against

message: ====For====
Yes they are pop-punk. Simply because if you look at many music sites, they are listed as pop-punk. Hell, look at their own biography "My Chemical Romance are an alternative pop rock/pop punk band...." Dwnsjane2 22:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong support for pop punk. Nearly all sites call them that, including respected journals. --Switch 06:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They sound similar to Bad Religion and A Wilhelm Scream, not to mention them not being all that different than Panic! at the Disco. Pop-punk covers a wide variety of styles, and Warped Tour - which they've been on - is almost exclusively a pop-punk tour. --Switch 06:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Pop-punk]]

message: Yes they are pop-punk. Simply because if you look at many music sites, they are listed as pop-punk. Hell, look at their own biography "My Chemical Romance are an alternative pop rock/pop punk band...." Dwnsjane2 22:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong support for pop punk. Nearly all sites call them that, including respected journals. --Switch 06:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: For

message: I feel MCR does not fit into pop-punk. Their music is completely different from the bands stated in the article. MCR's sound is different than Green Day, Good Charlotte, Fall Out Boy, and Panic! at the Disco just to name a few. The sound of MCR and the sound of those bands is two different things. Although MCR does have an element of punk in their music, I do not feel it can be compared to a Green Day sound but rather a more aggressive sounding punk.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They sound similar to Bad Religion and A Wilhelm Scream, not to mention them not being all that different than Panic! at the Disco. Pop-punk covers a wide variety of styles, and Warped Tour - which they've been on - is almost exclusively a pop-punk tour. --Switch 06:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Against

message: I think that we should some how incorporate info on the song Jack the Ripper (song) into the article. If any of you don't know about the unreleased song, it's right here. And if there are any other unreleased MCR songs i don't know about, I think they should be mentioned too. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 00:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A "Songs covered" section would sort that out. --Jamdav86 09:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry guys, this isn't a fansite. I've already removed that kind of content from the Rage Against the Machine page, where it was probably more notable as they actually had heaps of unrecorded/unreleased songs. It should probably be removed. --Switch 03:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jack the Ripper

message: What is this crap about them being gay? can someone clear up this? Or is that just MCR flaming and that fan fic crap? Just wanted to clear this up. Zombieminion 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:It's all fake. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 21:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gay rumors?

message: I think we should remove the banner that disables new or unregistgered users from editing from vandalism. It has been there since at least before Mid-July, and it's been there long enough. Also, I think the bottled section about them playing in London should be merged with another part of the article. User:Coocooforcocopuffs 02:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I went ahead and changed the infobox and created a Genre disputes and influences section linking from it. Please do some research and add more subgenres the band has been labelled/have labelled themselves or more influences the band has cited, as well as adding some citations to the subgenres currently there. Thanks. --Switch 05:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! It may look crappy at the moment, but this is the sort of thing that should grow. Citations for every genre please, and multiple citations are welcomed. --Jamdav86 17:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've quickly added a couple of citations. However, they've apparently made over their site for the new album, removing the part of the site in which they described themselves as "rock" and "violent, dangerous pop", and I can't find a mirror anywhere. There are several other pages that describe the band using that phrase, but most are wiki mirrors, and none of the others point out that the band themselves said it. So I don't know how to add a citation for that now. --Switch 09:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Disputed genres" section

message: I think that they're post-hardcore, pop punk (or punk pop, whatever) and horror rock.
You know, just that there won't be debates about that any more, we have to list three or four genres they fall in. Litis 16:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The grenres are fine how it is now because it is a way to not have any POV. Also they are rock because it is the style of music they play which can be classified through the drum rhythms and guitar rhythms. You don't have to be "heavy" to be considered rock. Mainstream is also not a genre. They are also alternative rock because they have an element of punk but probably people won't be able to agree with punk rock or punk as a genre. The genre list is fine how it is because the genres are sourced and if you can find a source put it into the section.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Their genres.