Talk:List of Ateneo de Manila University alumni

message: I've restored the list of people deleted by Hbent, for the reason that they are notable, particularly within the guidelines of WP:Stand-alone lists#Lists of people. Included in the list are national artists, public servants, and performing artists, all of whom have achieved some degree of renown in the Philippines and elsewhere. The recent changes go against a steady period of consensus and non-dispute.  I will continue to restore their names if deletion is insisted without proof of non-notability. Rmcsamson (talk) 05:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what isn't clear about "Selected lists of people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)."  If you think someone is sufficiently notable to be on the list here, write a wikipedia article about them, and then they can go back.  Otherwise, any reverting you do will be against policy. hbent (talk) 23:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Noted. Will begin writing the articles. By the way, if individuals belong to a common group, such as a band, will the band article suffice, or will each member need an article for himself? And by the way, there are several other lists like this one, I suggest you get cracking on those as well. Rmcsamson (talk) 06:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent changes

message: Should the Honoris Causa holders be separated into another table? Circa 1900 16:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter. They're still technically alumni.Rmcsamson 17:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, how about moving this to List of Ateneo de Manila University people/List of Ateneo de Manila University alumni as seen at :Category:Lists of people by university in the United States? Circa 1900 06:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea. But that means we'll have to come up with another list of Ateneo de Manila University people (faculty, etc.).Rmcsamson 15:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that, same page, second table for the Honoris Causa.  Ateneo is more about the culture of the school...growing up there affects your philosophy, which is the main point of listing alumni. ADMU 86. Maccess 14:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The wikipedia article on alumnus will help. --Howard the Duck 11:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Well in any case, this is Wikipedia, so we use definitions by Wikipedia. Also, the article title says "people" not alumni, so perhaps even professors, the cooks at the canteen, even the security guards can be included here. --Howard the Duck 11:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The prioritization is irrelevant. All of the people in the list are considered alumni. Rmcsamson 17:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think this is also expressed in the university by-laws. Rmcsamson 17:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Whether or not Joseph Estrada is "known as" the "first Philippine President convicted of plunder" is a matter of opinion. He IS known for being a popular movie actor and for becoming President. How that is likewise relevant to his listing as an alumnus of a school (strangely applied only particularly to THIS list by an anonymous user) has not been justified. Rmcsamson 04:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The issue here is whether or not the comment made about Joseph Estrada is appropriate given the overall context of the article. What the anonymous user has failed to justify is how such a comment fits within the rest of the article. Since Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, the comment has no place in this article. It is already covered and discussed in the article/page about Joseph Estrada, where it is actually relevant and appropriate.Rmcsamson 20:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The anonymous user has failed to address the issue of the propriety of the comment made vis-a-vis the context of the rest of the article, seeing as how it is directly addressed in the Joseph Estrada article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The anonymous user's failure to ensure that this edit has been made to all other articles related to Joseph Estrada listed as an alumnus of an institution belies the anonymous user's bias and lack of discrimination. Rmcsamson 04:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The anonymous user continues to fail to justify including the comment within the context of the rest of the article. The claim of resorting to personal attacks incriminates the anonymous user. Rmcsamson 10:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The anonymous user has continuously failed to address the issue of the propriety of the comment made vis-a-vis the context of the rest of the article, seeing as how it is directly addressed in the Joseph Estrada article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The anonymous user's failure to ensure that this edit has been made to all other articles related to Joseph Estrada listed as an alumnus of an institution belies the anonymous user's bias and lack of discrimination. Rmcsamson 14:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The anonymous user has continuously failed to address the issue of the propriety of the comment made vis-a-vis the context of the rest of the article, seeing as how it is directly addressed in the Joseph Estrada article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The anonymous user's failure to ensure that this edit has been made to all other articles related to Joseph Estrada listed as an alumnus of an institution, limiting its efforts to this particular article and this particular article alone, belies the anonymous user's malice, bias, and lack of discrimination. Rmcsamson 14:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The anonymous user has continuously failed to address the issue of the propriety of the comment made vis-a-vis the context of the rest of the article, seeing as how it is directly addressed in the Joseph Estrada article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The anonymous user's failure to ensure that this edit has been made to all other articles related to Joseph Estrada listed as an alumnus of an institution, limiting its efforts to this particular article and this particular article alone, belies the anonymous user's malice, bias, and lack of discrimination. Rmcsamson 14:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The anonymous user has continuously failed to address the issue of the propriety of the comment made vis-a-vis the context of the rest of the article, seeing as how it is directly addressed in the Joseph Estrada article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The anonymous user's failure to ensure that this edit has been made to all other articles related to Joseph Estrada listed as an alumnus of an institution, limiting its efforts to this particular article and this particular article alone, belies the anonymous user's malice, bias, and lack of discrimination. This is merely underscored by its indiscriminate resorting to personal attacks when confronted with the issue. The issue, as has been pointed out earlier, has already been defined for discussion. Rmcsamson 14:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I've blocked the anonymous user for going over the 3 revert rule, however I would advise that you should avoid using terms such as "malice". Addhoc 15:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Will keep that in mind. Thanks. Rmcsamson 15:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  : The anonymous user has continuously failed to address the issue of the propriety of the comment made vis-a-vis the context of the rest of the article, seeing as how it is directly addressed in the Joseph Estrada article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The anonymous user's has not ensured that this edit has been made to all other articles related to Joseph Estrada listed as an alumnus of an institution,  and instead chose to limit its efforts to this particular article and this particular article alone The issue, as has been pointed out earlier, has already been defined for discussion. Rmcsamson 15:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Factual accuracy has never been the issue. The issue has been relevance or propriety in the context of the rest of the article. And again, while Joseph Estrada has been convicted of plunder, whether or not he is "known as" such is a matter of opinion, and assuming that it can be considered such, this still is not responsive to the earlier query regarding relevance. Hence, the clarification of the table categories. This also does not explain why the anonymous user has limited its conduct to this particular article. Rmcsamson 15:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It's irrelevant in that article's lead. Rmcsamson 15:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Of course not all alumni are in the list. This article used to be called a list of "notable alumni," but has since been changed for NPOV. Rmcsamson 16:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: This is irrelevant to THIS article. Rmcsamson 16:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: If so, discuss the connection in the appropriate article, explaining why it is not redundant.Rmcsamson 16:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The "explanation" does not illustrate the connection mentioned. Rmcsamson 16:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The anonymous user has failed to address the issue of redundancy. Rmcsamson 16:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The anonymous user has failed to address the issue of redundancy, or to draw the connection which it claims exists. It instead insists on vandalism and resorting to personal attacks. Rmcsamson 16:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The anonymous user has failed to address any of the issues raised: redundancy, vandalism. It has likewise failed to draw any connection which it claims exists. The anonymous user has continuously failed to address the issue of the propriety of the comment made vis-a-vis the context of the rest of the article, seeing as how it is directly addressed in the Joseph Estrada article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The anonymous user's has not ensured that this edit has been made to all other articles related to Joseph Estrada listed as an alumnus of an institution,  and instead chose to limit its efforts to this particular article and this particular article alone. Instead of addressing these issues in a manner consistent with Wikipedia policy, the anonymous user has simply resorted to vandalism and personal attacks. Rmcsamson 06:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk

message: I propose renaming (moving) this to List of Ateneo de Manila University alumni. What do you think? People is a bit of an odd word in an article title, I think. Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 11:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "People" is broader than just calling the people in this list "alumni," because not everybody in the list is a graduate. Other lists for other universities' people go by a similar title. Rmcsamson (talk) 12:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing rename 

message: i think Dingdong Dantes is also an alumni of ADMU (Interdisciplinary Studies and Communication Arts major) as shown in his article..why is he not on the list or is it really complete?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leighmarian (talk • contribs) 19:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: List of ADMU people 

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