Talk:Retroflex consonant

message: In article page, Hindi `t' in `tapu' is called as Retroflex consonant. But it's pronunciation is same as `T' found in pronouncing Tea , Train , Total etc. So, can we call that even English contains Retroflex consonant ?
I am an Indian and knows Hindi like mothertongue. WIN 12:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Maybe in Indian English, but certainly not in other dialects.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 12:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Words like "tea", "train", "total" are pronounced quite differently by Indians and Americans.  The Indian "t" is retroflex and unaspirated; the American one is alveolar and aspirated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.74.185 (talk) 15:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some clarification required regarding Retroflex consonant in English & Hindi 

message: What is the difference between a "postalveolar consonant", a "retroflex", a "palato-alveolar consonant", and an "alvoelo-palatal consonant"? They seem all the same, further back than the alveolar ridge, and more forward than the palatal region. That is, to say, why is there a differenced between [], [], and [], or their voiced equivalents? Also, is the word palatal pronounced [] or []? bibliotheque (Talk) 09:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retroflex, postalv, alv-pal. et cetera 

message: Do we have to use the line "used in some languages" in every article about a consonantic or vocalic sound? If that particular sound weren't "used in some languages" we wouldn't have an article about it... --Taraborn (talk) 13:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "used in some languages" 

message: Wikipedia is written for a fairly general audience.  Much of what has been written in the article is getting quite technical. I think it would be more helpful to the general audience if there was more about how consonants pronounced with retroflexed articulation contrast with non-retroflex consonants in a number of languages.  The details of allophonic retroflexion are true, but may not be what most readers want to know. Pete unseth (talk) 21:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. I (and possibly most people) read articles such as these in hopes of improving our pronunciations of foreign names (and maybe learn a foreign language). In this case allophones are everything. A precise, concise, and jargon-free statement of the "articulatory gesture" (in Ladefoged's sense) is what such readers seek. Examples in several languages are interesting and helpful (it would be nice to have an .ogg of a careful native speaker for each example, but that might be asking too much).  — Solo Owl (talk) 16:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Phonemic vs. allophonic

message: Is there any way to specify secondary and tertiary aspects of a retroflex consonant? For example, I need to denote a sub-apical retroflex nasal that is pronounced in the palatal region, as opposed to the postalveolar region. As far as I can figure out, the best I can do is use the IPA symbol for retroflex nasal, and perhaps add the IPA symbol for palatalization, although I don't think that is quite right. Thanks for any help.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jclu (talk • contribs) 22:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:International Phonetic Alphabet#Help on IPA way of denoting a consonant for discussion of this question. —Angr 15:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help on denoting retroflex consonants 

message: Polish consonants sz, cz, ż and dż are NOT retroflex, while the Chinese zh, sh and r ARE.
Please correct this section in the article. By the way, no Slavic language has retroflex consonants.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.71.38.142 (talk) 07:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Polish sz and friends are laminal retroflex consonants, despite being often inaccurately labelled as [ʃ]. See Polish phonology. Moreover, ш, ж in Russian and other East Slavic languages are also retroflex. — Emil J. 11:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually guys polish sz, cz and rz are subapical postalveolars not retroflex consonants  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.6.147 (talk) 22:01, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Subapical postalveolars are the prototypical retroflexes and don't occur in Polish. So you got everything wrong I'm afraid. Mr KEBAB (talk) 11:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Polish and Chinese consonants 

message: When I read the article I get ideographs beside some of the glosses -  and  - which are apparently from the private use area, which to me look like a dog's head and, I don't know, a pair of antlers? respecitvely. They seem to be from the private use area, so I'm guessing some font somewhere displays something else - what are these supposed to be? Moszczynski (talk) 17:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange characters 

message: A little background.
I have always loved languages. I am a native speaker of Arabic and English.
I have been dying to learn Hindi. Thanks to Wikipedia, I learned that Urdu would be a better place for me to start since I can already read the script.
However, I landed on the Retroflex consonant page when I could not read a few of the Urdu punctuation marks.
For me, the most glaring omission on the Retroflex consonant page is a small audio file so I can hear each sound. Telling me what it sounds like in a language I do not know (like Swedish or Polish) does not help. I was able to copy some words to Google Translate and listen to them there but that was of limited use.
I see that other articles have sound, video and animation so I do not think this would be a technical problem.
Just trying to help.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndajani (talk • contribs) 23:44, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What would help a layman...