Talk:Billie Holiday

message: Non-neutral POV, a particular stance on controversial matter of opinion presented as simple universal truth. For example, some feel Holiday's voice became more expressive with age. It is very controversial to make flat statements of fact about aesthetic matters. While it is objectively true that age and health deterioration affected some aspects of her singing negatively, the article appears to strongly imply that she became a worse musician. The reality is that some listeners actually like later Holiday as much as earlier Holiday or even more. Are they wrong? Who is to say — the universal arbiter of art? There is no such thing. More critics may have disliked later Holiday but that speaks only to what a professional critic of her time is likely to have preferred. Professional critics are just one form of critic; they are not universal arbiters of art, no matter how much they or others may believe they are. The article should be revised to not flatly present Holiday's singing as something that simply got worse over time. That is just one point of view.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.216.159.64 (talk) 00:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wither" and "damaged" — not neutral 

message: Most reliable sources give her place of birth as Philadelphia, not Baltimore.  Specifically, Eagle and LeBlanc, Blues: A Regional Experience (aka BARE) gives it as Philadelphia General Hospital.  The website https://explorepahistory.com/ states: "Billie Holiday was born in Philadelphia, but only by the circumstance that Holiday's mother had gotten pregnant out of wedlock. After being put out of her parents' home in Baltimore, she went to Philadelphia to give birth, then returned to Baltimore to raise her baby girl."  Family trees on sites like Ancestry.com are user-generated and not regarded as reliable sources.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth place 

message: Under the section "Lady Sings the Blues," at the beginning of the next-to-last paragraph, it says that five years later, Billie went to Europe, in 1959. But, at the end of the previous paragraph, it says that she and her friend were both in the last two years of their lives, and that he died in March 1959. That would indicate that Billie went to Europe three years after her death, and that 1959 is five years after 1959! I would recommend leaving off the phrase "five years later," and just say that afterwards Billie went to Europe. Try something like this: "When Holiday returned to Europe later in 1959, she made one of her last television appearances...."
The real Dr. Ann (talk) 16:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  impossible timeline 

message: There's even a page for it.
I'm not very good at writing, but came here to read about it and found nothing. Not even in the section for Strange Fruit.2603:8000:2942:4A00:FD32:6BDF:1C63:ED3A (talk) 00:23, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What if there was a "Depictions in popular culture" section? 2603:8000:2942:4A00:F119:72F6:C656:9C8B (talk) 22:31, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

text: It's mentioned and linked, with a source, in the "Death and legacy" sub-section. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no mention of The United States vs. Billie Holiday? 

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message: Hmmm... I'm surprised to see Hollywood has a true story film United States vs. Billie Holiday, which details the FBI's attempts to ensnare Holiday in a drug sting to discredit her, but Holiday's wiki article does not mention it. I think this wiki article is missing some details about the investigation that lead to her arrest.
Jeffrey Walton  (talk) 07:00, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  FBI's attempts to ensnare Holiday in a drug sting? 

message: The Federal Bureau targeted her for singing blood on leaves. Tell the truth about the Racist practices of  The Federal Bureau of Narcotics commissioner Harry Anslinger. 2601:3C6:4280:8FE0:10DF:3B70:6239:822C (talk) 21:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says: "" Are you disputing this? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The claim that the FBI under Harry J. Anslinger targeted her for singing this song is false and originates entirely from the film The United States vs. Billie Holiday which originates from a book by Johann Hari about the war on drugs. That book contains only a few pages about Holiday. This narrative literally didn't exist before. As noted here: The United States vs. Billie Holiday#Reception, jazz historians have called the premise of the film ahistorical and false, yet these claims are on this article and Harry J. Anslinger's and are all sourced Johann Hari, who has a history of fabrication, yet you won't find these claims in any serious biography about Billie Holiday. 78.146.9.21 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 12:17, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Federal Bureau targeted her for singing blood on leaves. 

message: Her childhood was more than just rough or hard or difficult.  She developed early, and was gang raped by white men at the age of 13 , and was blamed for it because of how big her breasts were.  She went to prison for 5 years on her first conviction for just being high on heroin and wasn't in possession, didn't sell it, and even took accountability.  She even used heroin intravenously.  She never understood why she needed it so bad, or knew why she wanted it. However, she took accountability for breaking the law.  After her release from prison, she couldn't get an apartment. She was never able to get an apartment, even when she was releasing top selling records.  The FBI chief was on a major witch hunt for her, a white man who wore a pin striped double breasted suit.  
Knowing what I know now about Billie Holiday, I ask myself ,"Who was her mother, great grandmother, and great grandma? Were they  Slaves, and house workers?"  Their daughter, grand daughter and great grand daughter was now a convict, in and out of prison her whole life because she needed heroin to self medicate.  Would she have been as successful as she was if she didn't have heroin? I'm guessing probably not. She was a true vocal prodigy, and didn't deserve the criminal white supremacist man hunt she was unconstitutionally subjected to all her life.  She was targeted because she was black even though she was exceedingly talented.  Look at white vocalists of her time who did drugs. They didn't get the same persecution as she did.  DO NOT UNDERSCORE THIS BLACK WOMAN'S TROUBLED UPBRINGING!!!! YES, she used her whole life, and was sober too, and she IS A STORY OF EXPERIENCE STRENGTH AND HOPE. BLACK LIVES MATTER. thank you  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AliciaBLMRainbowDaisy (talk • contribs) 06:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billie Holiday's childhood was more than rough 

message: Hello, as far as I know, this artist is most notable for several tracks appearing on Galaxy Radio in Fallout 3 and New Vegas Radio in Fallout: New Vegas. Otherwise I would never have heard of this artist and quite possibly too insignificant for a Wikipedia page. Good music but there are many unknowns in the music world. There should be some information and emphasis on this since 99% visiting the page will probably be curious Fallout players.  2406:3003:2001:2853:C486:C32A:B785:9BFA (talk) 20:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia doesn't rely on "as far as I know", for reasons you have amply demonstrated. How do you figure that 99% of visitors will be curious Fallout players? And if that's true, what extra information does this provide them? They won't be investigating the page to learn that several of her tracks appear in Fallout.   signed, Willondon (talk)  20:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: William you may conduct a study for yourself in the street, 90% of people will think you mean Billy Eilish, and 9% will think you mean Billy Idol. Of the remaining 1%, only a fraction will get the right person. These are most likely Fallout players. You cam disbelieve but when you try it you will see. Great music however, highly moving and underrated music. I am a fan because of Fallout. 2406:3003:2001:2853:C486:C32A:B785:9BFA (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

text: What a completely ridiculous argument. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significance: Featured in “Fallout” series of video games