Talk:Pope Innocent III

message: Innocent III commanded that all Jews and so-called heretics sew labels on their clothing and be ghettoized in conquered territories.  Though he may have publicly opposed the official church persecuting Jews (though certainly not Cathars), he certainly made sure that it was very easy for everyone else to both locate and identify them.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.37.5 (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Innocent III and the Jews

message: The article currently states: "He was just thirty-seven years of age, and although a deacon, not yet a priest." Is this actually true in this case, or a misunderstannding of "cardinal deacon"? Halcatalyst 21:22, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 46.11.246.247 (talk) 17:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: A cardinal deacon, but not a priest?

message: Fourth Latern council is also considered something of a milestone or even turning point in the history of anti-semitism or in Jewish Medieval history. I took the liberty of adding a sentence on that. -Sensemaker
I was amazed at the praise Innocent III gets in that Catholic Encyclopedia entry referred to in the article.  It practically glosses over the attrocities committed during the Fourth Crusade and the "crusade" against the Cathars, and portrays the Pope as completely innnocent (no pun intended) in those events, despite the central role he played in them.  I don't know the policy of wikipedia on the biases of linked-to articles, but wow.  I guess the first link, which discusses his more dubious qualities more fully, balances it out though.-Andy
:Wikipedia itself aims at a Neutral Point of View. The world's a messy place, and sites reached via external links may often have no such aim (or, if they have, fail to achieve it). If a site is really useless or totally misleading, the link would be best deleted, but I doubt if that's true in this case. Caveat surfer. Andrew Dalby 13:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although, to be fair, Innocent had little or no part in the Fourth Crusade other than calling for it: he wrote a letter or a decretal or a Bull or something decrying the sacking of Constantinople. Artiste-extraordinaire 11:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Innocent certainly didn't order the Fourth Crusade to attack Constantinople, but he seemes delighted that they did. Installing a Latin Patriarch meant that he practically tried to force the East to be re-united to the West.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.74.88.78 (talk) 13:41, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Fourth lateran council

message: Who can tell me more about the monk Renerius, his confessor? (See de:Dialogus miraculorum VII.6) --Reiner Stoppok 20:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confessor of Pope Innocent III

message: This is a particularly favorable article bordering on non-neutrality.  The tone is downright reverent.  If one is Roman Catholic, one might, as the author of this article seems to, view Innocent III as the pinnacle of the golden age of Catholic power.  If one is not Catholic, one might view Innocent III as one of the greatest usurpers of secular power by religious authorities in European history.  The article does not reflect this tension.Valkyryn 09:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Two years later, I read the original neutrality complaint as too high on the "reverence" scale and, I suppose lacking in irreverence.  If there was interest on the part of the editor in providing text from reliable sources that the subject was one of the greatest usurpers of secular power by religious authorities in European history, it is not evident in the editing history.  I recommend removing the POV tag for lack of interest in discussing the problem or edits to correct the alleged problem.  Note that the word usurp itself is POV. patsw (talk) 23:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To restore neutrality, this article needs to be purged of ALL web-links. We should rely on reliable, third-party, published sources. The Catholic Encyclopedia is in no way third party in relation to Innocent III or any other pope. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hagiography? 

message: Some sources say he died 16 July 1216.  --  JackofOz (talk) 07:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of death

message: Here is a nice image of the Franciscans receiving the statutes of the Order from Pope Innocent III, by Giotto, taken by me in Le Louvre. Thank you to insert it in the article. PHG (talk) 18:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Also, the dream of Innocent III in which he saw Francis of Assisi rescuing the Church. Giotto, 1295-1300, taken by me in Le Louvre. Cheers PHG (talk) 18:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: When dead, he appeared burning to Saint Lutgardis, explaining that he was expected to remain in purgatory for a few centuries asking for some assistance. The reason was three faults of him. I'm very much interested in what faults? Joculatory I would speculate: "evil", "worse", "worst", but really: 
:What three faults? Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 19:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the narrative that contains this assertion?--Wetman (talk) 03:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a text here (by a Fr. and everything) that connects the story to Robert Bellarmine, meaning the story probably originates from the late 16th century. I think we shouldn't believe it as authentic, but rather like an allegorical story symbolizing a general sentiment towards one of the popes in his time, or before. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 20:00, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Fascinating

message: It would be approppriate to add a section on the coronations of Eastern Christian kings as an attempt to widen Papal authority. Just as John of England became a vassal of Innocent III (or as the Aragonese monarchs were traditionally vassals of the Holy see), the Pope tried a somewhat similar approach to Levon or Leo I of Cilician Armenia (crowned by a papal legate in 1199, soon after Innocent's papal election) and Kaloyan of Bulgaria (crowned by a papal legate in 1203, just before the end of the Fourth Crusade). The coronation of Stephen Nemanich of Serbia (by a papal legate in 1217, immediately after the death of the Pope) and even that of Danilo Romanovich of Ruthenia (or of Galicia, by a papal legate, as late as 1253) can also be considered as resulting from the personal political efforts and legacy of Innocent III in the East. 
Especially Kaloyan of Bulgaria (and probably his successor Boril, too) were involved in Innocent's political plans. In his correspondence Kaloyan declared himself 'a servant of St Peter's and of Your Holiness' even before 1203, while Boril started a Church council and a prosecution of Bogomil heretics in 1211, when the Albigensian Crusade against 'those of Bulgaria' in Toulouse was ongoing. The complicated but not only hostile relations between Bulgaria and the Latin Empire in Constantinople in 1208-1216 could also be a part of the efforts of Innocent. After the end of a war between the Crusaders and Bulgaria, there followed at least two political marriages: in 1208-1210 a daughter of Kaloyan (or of Boril) became wife to Emperor Henry while a daughter of the Emperor was married to Despot Alexius Slav, cousin of Boril.
Glishev (talk) 12:01, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crownings of Eastern Orthodox and Armenian kings: Innocent III and the Christian East 

message: For deleting a chunk of text here rather than actually answering a serious question. I will repeat again, why is the section on the Vatican Secret Archives actually there? It has no context for Innocent III particularly. If this question is not answered within the week, I will either delete it or merge it with the Vatican Secret Archives article, whichever is more suitable. BTW even though it is sourced material, none of its four refs are WP:RELEVANT to Innocent. Cheers. Basket Feudalist  15:45, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you DMacks 

message: Can anyone knowledgeable enough check the wording of this (rather ideological) remark?Super48paul (talk) 15:06, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  30 september edit!? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I am thinking that this Pope Innocent III wiki article should include a section pertaining to references to Innocent III within the pop culture - one example of this would be the character of Innocent III as presented by Alec Guinness in the 1972 film Brother Sun, Sister Moon. Bee Cliff River Slob (talk) 16:03, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pope Innocent III in pop culture