Talk:Super Smash Bros. Melee/Archive 3

message: in the Kirby games, various foods were used to heal small amounts.  The food item in Super Smash Bros. Melee could be from the Kirby series.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.56.24.130 (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Angry Sun, you have a cool username and all, but stop belittling others. He brought up a valid point (what other game do have so many types of food?), and should be respected. I believe Kirby could use Chef (the power, not Mr. G&W's ability) in Kirby Super Star, could he not? What were enemies turned into? He had the fridge power in Kirby 64, and he generated food with it. The food that was first seen in this game could merely be the "next-gen" food items. I'm not on this though. --LuigiManiac 23:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  For areas such as this where something might be a cameo, but it's unclear, I tend to trust Sakurai's SSB/M/B websites to reveal the answer. Of course it's not always 100% clear there either (Barrel not a DK reference; Egg is a Chansey reference in SSB, but not in SSBM, etc.) He does not list the food as a Kirby reference. I would guess if it was meant to be, the food would look more cute and Kirby-like. (Fryguy64 17:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, most of the food items you see in SSBM are also in Kirby's Air Ride. (GCN) The food items themselves are the work of HAL Laboratories, so it makes since that they would use them in their games as they have. HAL created both Kirby's Air Ride and Smash. --M.K. 12:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Food item from Kirby games?

message: I personally believe that this should not be in the game becasue it really has nothing to do with the game itself.Chessmaster3 23:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not in the game. — Malcolm (talk) 21:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a hoax. EGM and Nintendo have confirmed it. — Malcolm (talk) 20:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: If you want to prove it then take a video of you playing sonic and tales and you unlocking them whatever way they say. But even if you do show us a video of that people will probably still not believe you because there are no models, sounds, etc. for them in the game. This means that it would have to be read off of another save file from a different game and the size of such a file would mean that saving would take several minutes whether or not you had SSBM. This would mean people would in turn come to hate that game and reduce sales of it, which companies DON'T want to do. If you don't like this answer then go on any site that claims to have unlocked them and let a couple of lies outway thousands of truths. --71.170.1.101 21:43, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic and Tales Hoax

message: Should we add a "current tiers list" to the article?  AnujSuper9 07:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Comrade Pajitnov 14:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not, at least give a reasoning... AnujSuper9 23:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this isn't supposed to be a game guide. See WP:CVG/GL. --Yuuki Mayuki 06:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "A general rule of thumb to follow if unsure: if the content only has value to people actually playing the game, it's unsuitable." The tier list is worthless to non-players, and even to many Smashers.  The Smash community generally wants lots and lots of recognition, thrusting its terms and its tier lists into articles.  But that isn't appropriate for Wikipedia; save it for SmashWiki.  --MaskedSheik 11:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, ok.  Well the reason I brought it up at all is because it is generally one of the most sought out pieces of information regarding this game.  AnujSuper9 17:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Smashwiki already has the most information regarding that subject (Tournaments, Tiers, Playstyles, Techniques, etc...) --M.K. 12:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiers? 

message: Does Ditto really appear in melee? I was thinking of writing something in the article about ditto probaly being a hoax, but I should check first.    07:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure it doesn't (in battle). However, for me, this seems to be too irrelevant to include it at all. --Yuuki Mayuki 08:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ditto was a character originally designed to be in SSBM, but was removed before final. It can still be accessed via the Debug menu. It summons a ditto that says it's name (go figure), and then disappears. It can do damage to opponents, however. It's in the game, but not with out the debug, in a nutshell. Oddeven2002 06:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ditto?? 

message: i was gonna add a link to smashwiki, run by smashboards, but it said to discuss before adding a link..
*SmashWiki  69.47.216.213 18:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In what way does it comply with WP:EL and WP:SPAM?  --Nlu (talk) 05:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The SmashWiki is, as of yet, still not officially open to the public, but as you can imagine, these things have leaked out over time. -- Randall00 Talk 15:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: All of the links are official links.  Moby Games is an information site.  Smash World Forums is supposedly the biggest SSBM forum out there, with some coverage in the press, so it stays because it passes WP:EL.  Unless you can think of a compelling reason to keep another fansite, it's gone. Hbdragon88 18:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If it were truly a respected source of Smash info for the community at large, somebody other than the page's administrator would've tried to add it by now. Points for effort, I suppose, but GAME SET! :^) -- Randall00 Talk 22:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link Discussion 

message: I think there should be a section for SSB:M online, you can find out about it on youtube
72.210.51.3 02:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online 

message: There are many glitches in this game, and I was wondering if there should be an article about them.----Sage1989 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.170.197.10 (talk) 14:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point about runscape is ..? We acknowledge the fact that crap exists elsewhere, and rather than using those as excuses, you ought to try to clean it up. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fansite, and as such, should contain information intended for a general audience, not just the series' fans. You Can't See Me! 23:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glitches 

message: Looking through this article almost makes me want to cry. Wikipedia isn't a game guide, but apparently no one knew that in this instance. This article is way to in depth to be any useful to people just looking for quick info. The section about all the different gameplay modes is just useless. We should make an effort to make this page encyclopaedic, and if no one will, then I will when I find the time. Same goes for the Super Smash Bros. article. 
Paji, signing out. Comrade Pajitnov 02:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When you have so much activity, it's hard to do what I really like to do.  It took me the longest time to remove in in-universe "Debug menu" section, and the Tournaments section could use a lot of cleanup.  I've never played this gam before, so I cannot authoritatively rewrite it to satisfaction.  I've resigned myself to merely killing the promotional language when I see it. Hbdragon88 00:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's on par with other game articles of a considerable fanbase. To a fan of the game, this doesn't read like a game guide at all and actually appears to be quite encyclopaedic in how it caters to non-players. If we really wanted to turn it into a game guide, there's quite a bit more information to cover than that. -- Randall00 Talk 04:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we need to list all of the special melee modes. Doppelganger 17:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs a HUGE overhaul 

message: Why doesn't anyone ever call the game by its correct spelling? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.180.66.13 (talk) 09:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And it's correct spelling is? -Crimsonseiko 19:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Presumably "Super Smash Brothers Melee" (or perhaps "Mêlée").  Since pretty much every official source spells it "Super Smash Bros. Melee," though, that would be a more appropriate name for the article and for in-article references. MaskedSheik 20:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In all actuality, the name "Super Smash Bros. Melee" is what the game itself is titled, on its disc and main menu, and since it is a copyrighted title, it is the ONLY title for the game. However, to save time, many people have turned it into an acronym, but that is for speedy purposes, not informational, so it needs no discusiion on Wikipedia. Any comments, let me know, thanks! Ziggaway 06:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ya

message: The SSBM sales source from ign says nothing relating to the matter on the bundle article. I can't use this source in a paper and I need a solid source for the sales on the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 148.100.218.121 (talk) 23:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Source 

message: Is smash boards online play with your computer?! how do you do it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.170.126.41 (talk) 17:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Smashboards is a message board on which SSBM players discuss Smash.  Tournaments are sometimes organized on Smashboards, but they all use GameCubes and normal gameplay, not the computer. – MaskedSHEIK (talk)(contrib) 14:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  smashboards..... 

message: Under the characters section it says that there are many clone charecters which I agree with like Fox and Falco or Captian Falcon and Ganondorf. They all have completely identical A and B attacks but Mario and Luigi have completely different A attacks and their B attacks are similar but they are quite a bit different, in particular Luigi's green missile attack, so I don't think they should be placed with the clone characters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.26.126.185 (talk) 23:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the clone characters are completely identical, either - they just use similar animations for their attacks (note, for instance, the differences in the effects of Fox and Falco's respective down aerial attacks).  I'm not sure how to change the text to project the point without miring myself too far into the specifics of the game, but I do think it's important to make the distinction. – MaskedSHEIK (talk)(contrib) 16:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario and Luigi  

message: In 2001 when the gamecube was announced it was done so with a collage of game tech demos and trailers both Meowths Party and the sword used by Ganon in the realistic Zelda demo are shown or in the text of the respective trophies. Atirage 15:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spaceworld tech demo references in trophies 

message: It's worth mentioning at least that Ken only placed 3rd overall last MLG season, methinks. – MaskedSHEIK (talk)(contrib) 16:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ken Hoang - still the best? 

message: Why was it changed to Errors? 24.159.39.11 13:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because it's a more common word. Personally I had to go to Wiktionary to understand it. Gurko 08:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Errata?

message: Why the huge section on Tournaments? IMO they're hardly notable, and serve only to promote Smashboards and the competitive Smash community, which makes up a negligible portion of the overall Smash fanbase. Wikipedian06 03:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tournaments

message: There basically just trivia with no true relevance to the article itself.--041744 15:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - and let's make sure it doesn't sprout again. – MaskedSHEIK (talk)(contrib)
 01:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Errata and version differences

message: Um, yeah... I really don't see why the addition of two-three sentences for every character hasn't been reverted yet. It's completely unnecessary. (The same thing is happening over at the article for the first Smash Bros. as well.) Disaster Kirby 07:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will admit that I added them on the Melee article (I copied the originals from the SSB article). Why are they unnecessary? They're an ordinary list of the main characters in a game that intersects a bunch of different franchises. The fact that the article's so small is annoying, so I think the character details helped flesh it out. Mikntosh 07:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there's a complete list of characters at the Super Smash Bros. (series) article, perhaps? Disaster Kirby 07:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That just gives names, not details on the actual character in the game. So I say the discriptions should stay. -041744 01:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And each individual character's article has that small bit of info and more. Disaster Kirby 03:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: They are filler and not necessary to understanding the character.  No layperson needs to know what symbol each character has in order to understand the character.  Information about attacks and other characteristics is game guide information that is not permitted under WP:NOT.  Lastly, the irony is that you never discussed it when you rmed all the errta and version differences information. hbdragon88 04:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It is still unnecessary information, not necessary for understanding the game, not relevant.  Per other examples, other fighting series such as Virtua Fighter and Tekken only have lists of characters, if that, without long and lengthy descriptions of what they do. hbdragon88 18:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Fine I admit defeat, I will list the character names with no descriptions except what series their from. Thats OK right?→041744 18:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because then that would be the same exact thing as what is over at Super Smash Bros. (series). The vote was to delete the list of characters entirely. Disaster Kirby 20:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright I'll delete all of them.→041744 22:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's an idea, why not propose the characters stats at the Super Smash Bros. (series) pages over there instead of over here? magiciandude (Talk) (review) 09:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Like they said, it's game-guide-ish, the people have spoken.→041744 19:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters

message: *Strong Keep It is not Game-Guide-ish, This Actually Does Contribute to the article.→041744 17:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine I admit defeat, I will list the character names with no descriptions except what series their from. Thats OK right?→041744 18:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because then that would be the same exact thing as what is over at Super Smash Bros. (series). The vote was to delete the list of characters entirely. Disaster Kirby 20:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright I'll delete all of them.→041744 22:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's an idea, why not propose the characters stats at the Super Smash Bros. (series) pages over there instead of over here? magiciandude (Talk) (review) 09:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Like they said, it's game-guide-ish, the people have spoken.→041744 19:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I'm thinking of starting a list of trophies in the game. Does anybody have any objection to this? LOZ: OOT 06:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's unencyclopedic. — Malcolm (talk) 16:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

text: No, please read WP:EL. — Malcolm (talk) 22:16, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, exactly.  See this: Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons.  I think this qualifies. hbdragon88 02:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Providing an external link to a website that lists all of the trophies is perfectly legitimate.  --Son 13:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with it, then. — Malcolm (talk) 14:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GameFAQs already provides such a list, so adding another just for trophies would be redundant. Nifboy 17:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of trophies in Super Smash Bros. Melee

message: He was NOT supposed to be in this game.  In the Ice Climber's profile on the official site, Sakurai lists some other franchises he CONSIDERED to represent the Famicom spot before deciding on the Ice CLimbers.  They were Urban Champion, Excite Bike, Kuru Kuru Land and Balloon Fight, and he gives the reasons why they wouldn't work.  No one REPLACED the Ice Climbers.  75.153.231.20 00:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Balloon Fighter

message: I don't see what's wrong with the inclusion of this under playable characters.  It's about playable characters that were in the game, didn't make the game for whatever reason, or was Sonic and Tails, a very rampant rumor for the game.  That's the appropriate section to place them in, because it's in reference to playable characters.  It wouldn't be included in a trivia section, as trivia sections are strongly discouraged; trivia CAN be included in articles, as long as it's worked into the article.  I don't see how this is wrong.  --Son 01:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't either, but if somebody is going to have a problem with it (as it often is the case around here), can it be moved to the series article under playable characters? ~ SuperChencho 05:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's not necessary.  Why remove information relative to the game this article is about?  That's my take.  --Son 14:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Trivia" in playable characters section 

message: Just because the Smash World and Sonic statements are common knowledge, doesn't mean they don't need to be cited. See Wikipedia:When to cite. --(trogga) 02:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for this? Original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. — Malcolm (talk) 21:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is sourcing necessary for this in particular? It's an in-programmed option activated just like any other Gamecube game that is progressive scan compatible or 60 Hz compatible (PAL).  The difference is that nothing in the game itself or its packaging makes a note of this, which is why I feel it's worth mentioning in the respective game's Wikipedia article.  As far as the 17% slowdown, SSBM falls under the category of "poor PAL conversions" that the PAL region article makes note of, which I had nothing to do with.  How the description of a game's display options could be considered contestible as opposed to other parts of the existing SSBM article does not make sense to me. RyokoYaksa 01:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply put, sourcing gives an indication of why it "needs to be mentioned". Nifboy 07:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Why not?  If you've ever played a PAL converted game falling under that category, you'd know that it has a huge effect on its playability and presentation, as does 480p compatibility.  It's more noteworthy than a lot of the trivial information present in this article. Instead of pointing fingers, you can help source this information. In this, Nintendo.com confirms progressive scan compatibility for SSBM, though it does not explicitly say it is NTSC only, which progressive scan support for SSBM is limited to.  SSBM's packaging says nothing about it being progressive scan compatible, unlike the majority of other GameCube games.  You will also find several sources online saying the PAL version of SSBM is 60 Hz compatible and that the 50 Hz mode makes the entire game run slower and with black borders, but most of them are not in English and are not what you would call "reputable sources." Nintendo Europe states how 60 Hz mode for some games work, but does not explicitly state SSBM. Nothing in the packaging of SSBM in PAL territories says anything about this functionality. However, they both exist and greatly affect the game.  People who play this game in NTSC territories on HDTVs would benefit from this knowledge, as progressive signals require less processing than the default interlaced signal, which could cause game-breaking processing delays or visual artifacting by deinterlacing.  Australia, being both an English speaking and PAL territory, would benefit from knowing that the game runs in 60 Hz, given the 50 Hz conversion is poor.  RyokoYaksa 16:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources missing 

message: I just asking to see if it is okay with people so I can have a link that goes to a page with more info. It is about unlockable characters, although the link goes to a page that could involve promotion. In this case it wasn't my article and i merely found it and thought it would be nice addition. I never intended it to conflict with this. This link does split off to more, but leads t=you to the first major one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilikehamrs (talk • contribs) 01:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  external link 

message: "Wavedashing" redirects here, yet there is no mention of it. I'm in a weird mood today. I've never heard of this "wavedashing". I'd be interested to hear what it is. --Buddy13 21:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wavedashing is a relatively unencyclopedic aspect of the game - and an original (fan-made, at least) term as well. All it is involves abusing the game's physics system (which is not a glitch, but I doubt that the designers intended for the system to be exploited in that manner) to slide quickly along the ground in one direction. Basically, the article on Wavedashing was unencyclopedic technical cruft without any reliable sources, and so it was redirected here without mention. You Can't See Me! 23:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  --Clyde (talk) 01:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wavedashing 

message: could you add a list of all the stages, standard and secret.
kinda like the smashwiki site,
but i need the info at school for the website im creating and the smash wiki is blocked...
thanks if u can add!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.62.169.58 (talk) 14:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but no, we can't. Smashwiki is a specialized guide; Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia. They have completely different content. You Can't See Me! 22:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  STAGES 

message: Why was the main article deleted? Mistake? Rogue sysop? --HeroicJay 00:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody placed personal information on the article, which was then stuck on the page's history. An admin is cleansing the history of the revisions with that personal information per this report, filed by yours truly. You Can't See Me! 00:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah. Got it. --HeroicJay 00:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Was it vandalism? --Parrothead1983 20:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like that. Somebody thought it would be funny to put down his friend's home address and phone number (in addition to a few vulgar sentences). You Can't See Me! 00:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened??? 

message: I notice that in the playable characters section it says there are twenty six characters. Then, directly next to that, there is a screen shot with twenty five characters that says "All 25 characters unlocked." 75.68.74.43 17:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's correct. Sheik is the twenty sixth character, and she doesn't have her own space on the screen shot because she's a transformation of Zelda. Dengarde ► Complaints  17:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playable Characters 

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replies: text: Rationale just added. Ashnard Talk Contribs 15:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:MeleeCharacters.jpg

message: Pichu's profile on the Melee Dojo page has some interesting background information on the six characters that are considered "clone characters" (namely, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Ganondorf, Falco, Pichu, and Roy). Someone should make a decent and accurate translation of it. It would be a very nice addition to this article's "development and release" section. — NES Boy 19:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look into it. Thanks for pointing that out, NES Boy. Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Information regarding "clone" characters

message: Screwattack Ranked SSBM the 2ND Best Fighter, Mortal Kombat Was No.3, Should I change it?
244pupil6 01:43, 09 November 2007
:You can do that, although I probably won't be including that when I rewrite the "Reception" secion. Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small Mistake in Rewards