Talk:Wigwam

message: --Blanba (talk) 00:01, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

message: how long does it take to build a wigwam? 
I think about 12 days. Very Hard
:Although they have been built in less than a week -- that's 10 days for a westerner. Wekn reven 09:05, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Construction

message: Wigwam is the much more common British English version of this. Maybe this should be noted in the article. I'm in the UK, but have never heard of a Wickiup. Hedley 19:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, wigwam is far more common, as I have never heard the term wikiup either. — Nicholas (reply) @ 22:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Easy explaination, British never colonized to the west of the Mississippi, so were not exposed to other words for the same kind of dwelling in North America. :) I would guess most english speakers in the US would know the term wigwam.  However, the military in 1800s definately used the term wikiup.  --Rcollman 13:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wigwam 

message: At least in the Ojibwe language, there are diffent types of buildings/lodges.
Classed by shape:
*Gakaaga'ogaan (Square-lodge)
*Nisawa'ogaan (Pointed-lodge: lean-to)(also "Nasawa'ogaan")
*Bajiishka'ogaan (Pointed-lodge: conical)
*Waaginogaan (Domed-lodge)
**Waaginogaanens - small domed building
*Ginoondawaan (Long-lodge)
Classed by material:
*Aki (Earth)
**Akiiwe-wiigiwaam - earthen Wigwam (usually domed)
*Wiigwaas (Birch)
**Wiigiwaam - Wigwam (can be domed or pointed)
**Wiigwaasigamig - Birch-bark sturcture (can be domed or square)
*Mashkosi (Grass)
**Mashkosiigaan - Sod structure (can be domed or square)
*Wanagek (bark)(usually cedar-bark)
**Wanagekogamig - bark sturcture (square or pointed-lean-to)
*Wiish (pile)
**Wiishiw - beavers and muskrats generally make a domed pile
**Wiishkoons - beavers and muskrats generally make a domed pile, but this structure is smaller, generally assiciated more with muskrats
Classed by occupant/function:
*Aakozi (Illness)
**Aakoziiwigamig (Hospital)
*Amik (Beaver)
**Amikogamig
**Amikwiish
*Gikinoo`amaadi (Learning)
**Gikinoo`amaadiiwigamig (School)
*Iskigamizige (sap-boiling)
**Iskigamizigewigamig
**Iskigamizigewiigiwaam
*Maadoodoo (Sweat)
**Madoodimowigamig
*Mide (Grand Medicine Society)
**Midewigaan
**Midewigamig
*Onaakonige (Judge)
**Onaakonigewigamig (Courthouse)
*Wazhashk (Muskrat)
**Wazhashkogamig
**Wazhashkwiish
This third group list can go on and on, so I will stop here.
My point being that for a "wiigiwaam" in the Woodlands area, either domed or pointed-lean-to are assumed, but in the Plains area, either pointed-lean-to or pointed-conical are assumed.  The term "wiigiwaam" among the Ojibwe are not something that is absolutely defined and depending on the community's dominant out-look, a same structure can be described by any of the three general grouping names.
CJLippert 15:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  wiigiwaam (Wigwam) and other o`ogaan (Hogan) clues from the Ojibwe language 

message: I learned a lot on the discussion page after I did some word editing! We need to appreciate that different groups use the term in different ways. As a non-Native American, with some cross cultural experience, put me in the ethnocentric camp in my edit.  I would have never said a wigwam was made of earth, thus the Navajo hogan does not fit.  I maybe more correct from a non-Native American useage but what does that mean?  Still think my general edits are not too offensive. It does recognize a difference between the Eastern wigwam and western wikiups.  
The other issue that has not been mentioned is cultural adaptation.  For example, when did some Apache start putting cloth on the top of their dwellings and how did this change their construction methods?   Very interesting --Rcollman 13:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Edit comments 

message: Although the passage from Opler's book under "Anthropological Description" is cited, I'm not sure about its use in this context.  It's long—really long.  In fact, it makes up the bulk of the section.  Does that still constitute fair use?  Can this section be re-written by someone who understands the anthropological issues at hand?  I dropped by as this was the featured picture on the front page, and know next to nothing about wickiups, or I'd do it myself. —Ryan McDaniel 16:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opler quote 

message: The role of this building in the 1860 Republican National Convention is in question. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 00:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hrm. This site, from Chicago's government, clearly says that The Wigwam was the site of the 1860 Republican Convention... --Miskwito 10:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And this illustration also seems to support this claim (the caption reads "THE REPUBLICANS IN NOMINATING CONVENTION IN THEIR WIGWAM AT CHICAGO MAY 1860", if I'm reading it correctly) --Miskwito 10:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicago Wigwam Building 

message: I just though everyone here should know that I've updated the dictionary definition at wiktionary. The ammount of references there makes this articles look like a joke. Perhaps someone should add some more direct references. Good luck. --CyclePat 19:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Apache wickiup.jpg

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message: The use of both past & present tense in this article creates some confusion as to whether the article describes traditional practices or whether these practices continue to be followed by today's (relatively) indigenous people (or by native culture enthusiasts/revivalists).  In addition, presumably dwelling construction changed considerably over time (and in particular in the 19th and 20th centuries as indigenous peoples were forceaeblyBlanba (talk) 00:01, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As a dwelling, no. As ceremonial structures or as part of cultural education, yes. CJLippert (talk) 00:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Practices?