Talk:North Omaha, Nebraska

message: The article currently states "the city had neglected many of the neighborhoods, leading to decreased police response times". If you are neglecting a neighborhood, the time it takes to respond should go up, not down. I assume this should read "leading to longer police response times" instead, but I did not want to change it without someone else looking at it, as I do not have the data to support it either way.
71.15.80.214 (talk) 02:09, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Response Times

message: Yes, where is North Omaha, Nebraska? Why is there a separate article? There is not now, nor has there ever been, a place named North Omaha, Nebraska. (In contrast, there actually WAS a town called South Omaha, Nebraska, but it has since been annexed.)  This article would lead me to believe there is a separate suburb by this name, when that is not the case. - Unsigned comment
:Sounds like a mad observer. Feel free to read any of the articles about North Omaha and then comment on its non-existence. And sign your posts, please. - Freechild 03:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, some green roadsigns on I-80, I-680, and I-29S specifically point to "North Omaha." 69.58.224.75 (talk) 10:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Is the length of this article an issue? - Freechild 04:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing suggestions?

message: Great additions/edits Freechild & Americasroof! This site is really beginning to take on a solid form.  Equinox137, I appreciate your insights as well and look forward to your additions. Even though we may have differing views on some aspects of this article, I respect your input. Moreover, I do recognize that this article does not belong to a single person and therefore, subsequent corrections and additions are to be/should be expected.  
I believe that we - the collective of authors who choose to contribute to a given article -- by virtue of our unique perspectives, provide a check and balance system.  This ensures that accuracy is maintained and the point of view is indeed objective.  With that said, I know that we can find common ground.  Last, Equinox137 I hope you had a great Christmas and New Year's - and got some rest ;).  Take care, all.  Prometheusfire 22:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Prometheus, I did. The article looks great - far beyond anything I ever expected. I made a few minor changes, in particular to the statement "In the late 18th century near North Omaha, closer to the downtown core, was home to many working class, middle class, and upper class WASP and Jewish families." given that no one was in the Omaha area in the late 18th century.  I also think that the section on "Racism" can be worked on a little by expanding the facts of the 1919 Race Riot, but there's no rush to do that.  On a side note, whoever reworked this article did a beautiful job of it. Equinox137 07:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your acknowledgement, Equinox137. Reworking this article was a labor of love, and I am glad to have contributed. - Freechild 23:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Additions/Edits

message: I feel the information in the zipcode breakdown of races is somewhat misleading because it creates the impression that the majority population of north Omaha as black/african american, especially since zipcode 68104 is not included in the table.  68104 encompases an extremely large area of north omaha, according to this article's definition of where north Omaha is located.  Additionally, the hispanic population as tabulated by the US Census Bureau doesn't count hispanic/latino as a race, but as a nationality, so I'm almost sure the totals are wrong as they include the hispanic/latino numbers in the grand total.  After just making a cursory glance at the numbers from the 2000 census from the census.gov website the percentages of whites vs blacks is closer to 48% and 45% respectively.--Blacknebraska 15:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is confusing because in the narrative below, it includes only the numbers for African Americans, and says they are the largest minority in Omaha. It would be useful to have the numbers for Latinos there, too, and population for Omaha overall, especially as other related articles make much of the proposal for separate school districts.--Parkwells (talk) 22:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics and Zipcodes

message: 1. Moving forward; advancing. 	 
2. Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change. 
3. Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods:a progressive politician; progressive business leadership. 
Despite the fact that there are some unfortunate happenings in North Omaha, there has been an increased and concerted effort to revitalize and advance the conditions of North Omaha. These efforts are coming from both inside the community and from those external to North Omaha. The focus has varied in scope -- from improving the aesthetics, to the promoting the culture; from generating new business to fostering great social responsiveness. All of the measures taken in North Omaha have been measured, incremental and forward moving. In a word...progressive. As such, it behooves the contributors to the North Omaha article not to be one-dimensional in their approach by just focusing things like "crime rate" or "race".
Prometheusfire 03:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. We're starting to get on the right track.  Here's the problem.  You might think North Omaha is progressive.  You might want that...  However, there are plenty of people in Omaha, especially residents of North Omaha that disagree with you.  Therefore that is not an NPOV statement. There's no problem detailing those efforts and measures, which is why I never removed them.  Besides that, I never focused on just the crime rate or race, however you can't bury the facts either.  Equinox137 03:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Progressive, Definition of,

message: The biography of Tillie Olsen notes she came from a Russian Jewish and Socialist family in North Omaha - that's what was called a Progressive background in the early 20th century.  When I saw references in this article to North Omaha as Progressive, I associated it with the early 20th c. labor movements strongly influenced by such Russian Jewish families, of which there were many in North Omaha then. Olsen was a labor organizer in packinghouses before the Depression (I think) - if she was, there were probably others, and maybe some of them also came from North Omaha.  There must have been more of that kind of labor history in Omaha before the disappearance of jobs in the mid to late 20th century.--Parkwells (talk) 23:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: North Omaha Progressive

message: Who says North Omaha is "one of Omaha's most progressive communities"?  ...and what does "the urban center" even mean?  I'd love to see a reliable source cited on this one!  I know something about North Omaha, and Omaha's current revitalization, and I must say, these claims are news to me!  :-)  I would definitely agree that the Northside has a rich and diverse culture.  But as far as progress, there's a lot more to North Omaha than the area around Creighton.  It'll take a lot more than decentralized public housing and a new computer lab for the Washington library to make it one of Omaha's "most progressive" communities-- if such a thing even could really be measured objectively.
: How is it diverse if it's primarily African-American? Equinox137 08:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Suburb?  Are you kidding?  Do you live there?  North Omaha is as inner city as it gets. Equinox137 08:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I would have to agree that Florence nor North Omaha qualify as suburbs. Florence used to be its own town I believe, but to say its a "suberb" is to say Dundee or Benson is as well. Not only that but this area was closest to the river, probably one of the catalysts in the beginning of Omaha long ago. Equinox137 is very wise in asking why this area qualifies as an area of diversity. I've talked to people who have stated that Omaha is the most segregated town in the whole region of Nebraska/Iowa. I didn't see any latinos or asians in this area of town when I went to high school there. The majority of students were black or white. 
--Izardstreet 09:02, 01 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Accuracy

message: For all of you anons accusing me of vandalism, you need to look up Wikipedia's policy on vandalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism) and you will find I am committing no such thing. I have provided all the sources consisent with policy.  Furthermore, if you actually read through Wikipedia's original research policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research), NPOV policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view), verifibility policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability) and weasel word policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words), you will discover you are violating all four of those policies.
Anyone from Omaha will laugh their asses off when they read what you want to keep there.  Omaha is de facto segregated via Dodge Street and has been for over 90 years, so claiming North Omaha has a "diverse" culture is wrong - (accuracy & verifibility policy).  An "urban center" is a central city in a nation, for example, Yaounder is an urban center of the nation of Cameroon.  The term does not apply within cities themselves (accuracy policy).  And "progressive community"?  That is purely POV that would be debated by anyone living in Omaha, included a lot of residents of North Omaha - (NPOV & weasel word policy).  Have I spelled it out clear enough?Equinox137 02:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism accusations

message: This article is probably the best referenced article of any on Omaha.  I punched up the lead to get to the notable stuff about the neighborhood and try to avoid the citation requests.  You can revert back if you wish.  It is definitely a neighborhood.  It is not a community.  It is within the legal city limits of Omaha.  The community sent me scurrying to check all this out as I thought it was independent from reading how it originally.  I am writing from NYC.  There are neighborhoods here (e.g., Harlem, et al) that have individual streets with individual characters.  The little subdivision are merely components of the neighborhood.  Again, thanks for the effort to really improve the article.  It's even more interesting than when I first saw it!  Americasroof 04:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments After Jan. 2, 2007 References

message: New topic at the East Omaha talk page: Is East Omaha part of North Omaha? It extended from a discussion about the recent firebombing in that neighborhood. - Freechild 14:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is East Omaha part of North Omaha?

message: What in particular would you like to have photographs of?  I live in the area and could try to any type of photos requested. Dolph72 20:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be great to get photos of the landmarks. Here's some other ideas:
*The new plaza next to the Jewell Bdlg
*A shot of what's left of the old storefronts along 24th, around Lake and whatnot. 
*I'm especially interested in what's left of the intersection of 24th and Ames Ave and Saratoga Elementary, and any other relics leftover from the old Saratoga. 
*The redevelopment area on top of where the Logan Fontenelle Projects were.
*Kountze Park, as it stands today.
*You could take some shots of anything in the NO Info Box.
*Metro Community College on Fort (historic landmark)
*Hummel Park/ Niel Woods/Fontanelle Forest
*Birthplace of Malcolm X
*Hope Center
Thanks for putting this out there - that's generous. - Freechild 20:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:Images should tell you everything you need to know. - Freechild 21:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, where do I look? - Freechild 22:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Wow. That picture alone primes me to write that article... I just finished Great Plains Black Museum (thanks User:Smmurphy), including a section on the building itself. It would be great to add a shot of that, especially considering its condition. I'll work on learning the picture posting later. - Freechild 01:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo Request

message: The section is confusing because in the narrative below, it includes only the numbers for African Americans, and says they are the largest minority in Omaha. It would be useful to have the numbers for Latinos there, too, and population for Omaha overall, especially as other related articles make much of the proposal for separate school districts.--Parkwells (talk) 22:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also like to add something to the subject of demographics. The beginning of the article states:
"diverse racial and socio-economic composition". This seems like a false statement considering a majority of blacks live in the North Omaha, area. --Jameson (talk) 13:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the demographics section, North Omaha is 59% African-American, 29% White, 5% Hispanic and 7% other. That appears relatively diverse, compared to the rest of Omaha, which is 78% White. • Freechild'sup? 19:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: The composition of North Omaha's population and comparison to overall Omaha, should be noted earlier in the article, as you suggest the media is racist in its descriptions. Simply describe the inaccuracy between TV account of 71% and the reality of 59% African American, for instance.  Also, you need to separate perceptions from fact - if there is older housing there and longer to walk to stores, that's reality.  If crime is higher there than in other neighborhoods, that is also reality, even if most residents are never involved in crime. High crime is what causes many people to label a neighborhood as "bad" or "iffy".
You mention Ernie Chambers' proposal for three school systems, but not why he proposed it.  What did he think it would accomplish?  It sounds unusual for someone of his background because of concerns about de facto segregation (here is where the actual proportions of population in North Omaha and other two areas should be shown, too).  Did he think the school systems would get better funding from the state individually?  More attention/resources?  Why did the state legislature support it?  Why are other groups opposing the proposal?  Issues of schools are too important just to sit there without further explanation.--Parkwells (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics and Current Events

message: You note the party affiliations of national representatives to Congress and the governor, but not for those in other state offices.--Parkwells (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Political representation

message: The Geology section describes geography, not geology, although some discussion of water features is present.  That would actually fall under hydrology or hydrogeology if any facts were presented.  I'd lean toward Geography for this section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.63.125.246 (talk) 20:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geology Section 

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