Talk:Waitara, New Zealand

message: Permission for the two images on this page has been sent to the m:OTRS system. Grimhim 05:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image permission

message: I have reduced the size of this section a little, deleting some of the detail of Maori disadvantage, but retaining the overall significance of the loss of the meat works. 
I'm not quite sure of the relevance of the material about the pollution of the reef, however: when were these Waitangi Tribunal hearings held and do these concerns still exist? I assume that it was recognised that though the works in general were good for the town, the pollution wasn't, but I'm a bit confused about the timing of the action against the pollution. If the hearings were held prior to the closure of the meat works, this section would be better treated more briefly and inserted higher, so it's dealt with before discussion on the closure.Grimhim 12:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industry 

message: An anonymous IP editor with a long history of agenda-pushing continues to add the mis-spelled phrase "after along absence" to the sentence that states that  in 1848 Wiremu Kingi, who opposed the sale of land in the Waitara area, returned to the district from Waikanae to retake possession of the land. The phrase, being so vague, is meaningless, and it also has no obvious relevance, unless the editor is trying to make some obscure point, which I could only guess at. BlackCab (talk) 02:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiremu Kingi 

message: Although the treaty tribunal "found" that this Taranaki warlord was not at war after 1861 clearly they were in error as it is well known that Kingi was involved in warlike acts with Rewi Maniapoto in early 1863-attacking and burning a government trade school,stealing a printing press and threatening to kidnap settler's wives and children around Te Awamutu. Wiremu Kingi was definitely at the early stages of the battle of Rangiriri in late 1863 but ran away when the gunboats started firing and never returned to support any of the later Waikato battles. When the king fell out with Maniapoto in the King Country because he wanted their land, the king even set out for Taranaki with his "royal entourage" but had second thoughts when he found Taranaki were not laying out the welcome mat.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.178.77 (talk) 08:14, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The article relies, as you're aware, on published sources, so your disagreement with the tribunal's findings and your own observations aren't terribly relevant. BlackCab (TALK) 09:11, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

text: I don't have the time at the moment to check out whether you're right or wrong, but the tribunal's Taranaki report obviously qualifies as a reliable source. In any case I have amended that wording to make clear that that claim is sourced to the Waitangi Tribunal. BlackCab (TALK) 12:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

text: Claudia, your condemnation of the Waitangi Tribunal seems a bit over the top. It's debatable whether the ultimatum delivered to Gorst and the destruction of his printing press—which existed only to provoke local Maori anyway by printing a newspaper—was an act of war, and nor is his presence at Rangiriri before the battle a warlike act. The tribunal's conclusions about Kingi and other matters might be debated or disputed by some historians, but it would continue to be regarded as a reliable source on NZ and Maori history. Moreover, the wording has been amended so you seem to be frothing over nothing. BlackCab (TALK) 06:17, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingi not at war after 1861??