Talk:H. Johan Andersson

message: Why is this article relevant? This player is playing in HockeyAllsvenskan. Have I missed something here? /HeyMid (contributions) 19:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant? 

message: Several opposers have objected to the length of the disambiguator. If we drop the year of birth, which isn't offering any disambiguation anyway, could the opposers accept that, and will the supporters still support? HandsomeFella (talk) 12:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I can support that. Regarding your response to my comment above, the naming conventions for disambiguation apparently state that in cases like this, we may use other ways to distinguish the persons, including the use of additional names (James Stephen Smith, Hans Johan Andersson, Roger Meddows Taylor etc.). The conventions also note the use of birth country: "Steve Smith (Canadian-born ice hockey player)", which may be excessively long disambiguation. The conventions also state that "When there is a usual way of distinguishing two people of the same name, use it." I can support your proposals, but the important thing is that we don't make the disambiguations excessively long. I agree with Resolute that we should not disambiguate by team. HeyMid (contribs) 14:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

text: As mentioned above I would take this version over the original options. -DJSasso (talk) 12:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Seems the most reasonable alternative. Resolute 15:30, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Modified proposal

message: *Support per nom and PichPich's comments. These are extreme cases but don't justifying using names for the BLPs that aren't their normal names, that helps no one. We do sometimes have exceptionally long non-disambiguated titles in royalty Robert Bertie, 4th Duke of Ancaster and Kesteven is not the longest by far. We can also have 4 hockey BLPs which contain long dabs. No one types the ( ) anyway, as been frequently noted. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:16, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read the modification of the proposal? HandsomeFella (talk) 09:22, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johan Andersson 

message: *Support per nom and PichPich's comments. In ictu oculi (talk)
*Oppose per WP:NATURAL. Using these disambiguators is no more helpful to readers because no reader is going to type out this massively long dab when randomly searching for the player. They will type their real name and end up at the dab page which will then point them where they want to go. And even if they are going based on what auto-fill pops up in the search box, it includes all the redirects. So all the redirects that do include their normal name will come up. There is no reason to use some very amateurish disambiguation when there is a much more concise professional way to do it. -DJSasso (talk) 12:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read the modification of the proposal? HandsomeFella (talk) 09:22, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Smith 

message: As the discussion so far is somewhat inconclusive, maybe voting for various alternatives will yield a clearer outcome. Note that the first alternative is the current situation. Edit the section, and add your votes. (As you can see, the current proposal is not my top choice.) HandsomeFella (talk) 20:19, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is actually the reason if I remember correctly that we ended up on the current names for these articles. There were far to many options that all were not very good and the current names were the closest that came to the brevity required for disambiguation. -DJSasso (talk) 17:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the first tiebreaker, the number of 3-point votes, the third proposal ("Steve Smith (Canadian-born ice hockey player) and Steve Smith (Scottish-born ice hockey player)") wins with two 3-point votes. Heymid (contribs) 19:44, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fresh start 

message: Editor        	Steve Smith (ice hockey)James Stephen Smith	Steve Smith (ice hockey, born in Canada)Steve Smith (ice hockey, born in Scotland)	Steve Smith (Canadian-born ice hockey player)Steve Smith (Scottish-born ice hockey player)	Steve Smith (Philadelphia Flyers)Steve Smith (Edmonton Oilers)
HandsomeFella 	1 p                                        	3 p                                                                               	4 p                                                                                       	2 p
Heymid        	2 p                                        	4 p                                                                               	1 p                                                                                       	3 p
Swedishpenguin	2 p                                        	1 p                                                                               	3 p                                                                                       	
Djsasso       	3 p                                        	4 p                                                                               	2 p                                                                                       	1 p
Dolovis       	1 p                                        	3 p                                                                               	2 p                                                                                       	4 p
Resolute      	3 p                                        	4 p                                                                               	1 p                                                                                       	0 POV
Total         	12 p                                       	19 p                                                                              	13 p                                                                                      	10 p
The fact that this is tied right now is hilarious.  So much for clarity.  :D — SwedishPenguin | Talk 17:03, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is actually the reason if I remember correctly that we ended up on the current names for these articles. There were far to many options that all were not very good and the current names were the closest that came to the brevity required for disambiguation. -DJSasso (talk) 17:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the first tiebreaker, the number of 3-point votes, the third proposal ("Steve Smith (Canadian-born ice hockey player) and Steve Smith (Scottish-born ice hockey player)") wins with two 3-point votes. Heymid (contribs) 19:44, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote on Steve Smith