Talk:English-language editions of The Hobbit

message: With the upcoming Hobbit films there's also been a promotional change of cover art at some publishers. E.g. I've found a 2012 paperback by HarperCollins with a cover image showing Bilbo/Freeman looking out of the door of his Hobbit hole. Amazon lists 400 pages but I'm not sure how they count this and if it matches our classification. I suspect the edition is essentially the same as HC1999. Any thoughts? De728631 (talk) 14:44, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A 400 page edition of The Hobbit would be an appreciable change in format. That doesn’t seem right, but of course they might have added all sorts of material related to the movies. By the criteria listed in the article, the change in cover art alone would qualify as a separate “edition”. Strebe (talk) 21:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'm going to research this a bit and may eventually update the list. De728631 (talk) 21:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  HC2012 

message: Ok, I'm not the one to fix it (inexperience in editing and not enough information), but trying to use this article I have just enough information of my own to get the feeling that it's a mess. Here are some things that I noticed:
Ballantine Books Published a "Revised Edition" in February 1966. This may be the variant listed to the 1965 edition, but it meets the criterium of the Publisher declaring it a new edition. (Source- Title verso of BB1973)
The title verso of my Harper Collins 2007 copy says (among other things):
First published by HarperCollinspublishers 1991- presumably a continuation of previous, but under the new name (can't prove)
5th Edition (reset) 1995- Which is therefore missing from this list
This edition is based on the reset edition first published in 1995
Some of my observations after research:
HM2007 mentions HarperCollins- which is it? (to answer that question, the ISBN listed is HM)
The HarperCollins 2007 edition, while most definitely a new edition (the publishers declare it as such), uses the same ISBN as the 1995 edition.
And finally- a column for ISBN wouldn't go amiss; I know it's not applicable to the early editions, but for the latter ones it would be very useful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.86.147.159 (talk) 01:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely fix these problems, please! That’s how Wikipedia works. I didn’t understand the comment about the Ballantine edition. The back cover of the 1973 edition calls the February 1966 printing a new edition? I would not assume that the older entries are nearly the mess that the newer ones are, by the way. Strebe (talk) 06:32, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Hmm, this should actually be a new edition with the front cover being based on the original 1937 drawing by Tolkien. This red, gold and black version seems to be quite new though. At least it's not listed here. Also the ISBN seems to be new, so I'm going to add this as a new edition. De728631 (talk) 20:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering whether the illustration of “The Hall at Bag-End, Residence of B. Baggins Esquire” counts as the last page of the story, or as an end-paper (for the purpose of determining the total number of pages)?  Also, what about the maps (the map of Wilderland appearing after the first chapter of The Lord of the Rings)? Bwrs (talk) 04:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted in the article, you go by the last page that has a page number on it. Strebe (talk) 05:20, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outsider to Wikipedia poking his nose in 

message: I have a 2012 Houghton-Mifflin Harcourt 75th anniversary paperback edition, , with the domain name “readthehobbit.com” printed on the back cover.  This website contains a picture of the cover art.  Not sure if this is an edition that merits the creation of an “identifier,” or is a “variant” of one of the existing “described” editions?
Bwrs (talk) 19:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, this should actually be a new edition with the front cover being based on the original 1937 drawing by Tolkien. This red, gold and black version seems to be quite new though. At least it's not listed here. Also the ISBN seems to be new, so I'm going to add this as a new edition. De728631 (talk) 20:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering whether the illustration of “The Hall at Bag-End, Residence of B. Baggins Esquire” counts as the last page of the story, or as an end-paper (for the purpose of determining the total number of pages)?  Also, what about the maps (the map of Wilderland appearing after the first chapter of The Lord of the Rings)? Bwrs (talk) 04:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted in the article, you go by the last page that has a page number on it. Strebe (talk) 05:20, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this an &#8220;edition&#8221; or a &#8220;variant&#8221;?

message: I copied the text of the section on “publication” from the main article on The Hobbit to this article. But then I did not like the appearance of the result, so I self-reverted.  If anybody else believes the text does belong in this article, then please feel free to re-do the copy-paste job, keeping the above template on this talk page for attribution purposes.
Bwrs (talk) 06:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: list or encyclopædia article?

message: This web source  in turn cites Wikipedia and nothing else. This is a ciruclar reference and as such cannot be reliable. I removed the circular citation leaving a lot of information (including the detailed tables) unreferenced. If another source is not found, much of the information in this section needs to be removed. BenKuykendall (talk) 19:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I am the author of the TolkienBooks article. It is almost entirely based on information from the publisher's correspondence archive, supplemented by Hammond's Tolkien bibliography and The Tolkien Collector magazine. The link to the Wikipedia article is only there for further information. I have amended my article to clarify. Deagol2 (talk) 20:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am glad that the information can be traced back to the three sources you list. However, citing tolkienbooks.net directly is still a problem (especially if you are the author). Although it appears to be an accurate and well-researched website, it is a self-published source from the point of view of reliability. Instead of citing your website, this article should directly attribute the original sources. BenKuykendall (talk) 19:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tidied up the references to point to the ultimate sources. Deagol2 (talk) 20:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circular references in "English-language editions of The Hobbit" section 

message: There seems to be no listing for the 1997 H-M 70th Anniversary hardcover, ill. by Alan Lee (Smaug on jacket). Solicitr (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feel free ... Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing entry?