Talk:Organic gardening

message: Keep separate. Organic farming and organic gardening are distinct topics. The organic gardening article in its current state does not cover its topic, and what it contains now already appears  in the organic farming article -- so, the content as it stands could be merged. As for the topic, there are obvious areas of overlap on the "organic" side, but there's a clear difference between farming and gardening. Some significant dinstinctions:
*gardening includes decorative stuff, like lawns, flowers (and excludes agricultural crops, like grain)
*different scale: while very small-scale organic farming (market gardening under 2 acres) can be quite similar to large-scale home vegetable gardening in terms of equipment and methods, in general, gardening and farming have very different gear and day-to-day activities
*different types of land: farming in many countries is on agriculturally zoned land, with its own regulations, gardening is usually on residential land (for example, in some areas, use of synthetic herbicides on lawns has been banned, which in turns stimulates interest in organic approaches; this is a residential gardening issue, not an ag one)
*commercial vs recreational
There could perhaps be a separate article "principles of organic growing" or something, but that at present doesn't seem warranted, as the basics are (or should be) covered in organic farming. When a proper organic gardening article is in place, and the content overlap can be examined, it'll be easier to see if that makes sense.
There is also organic landscaping to consider...
So, IMO, the gardening article needs work, more or less from scratch. --Tsavage 02:51, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep as separate articles. Organic gardening needs development (I'd like to spend more time on it myself one day...), but the differences between the two subjects are distinct enough to warrant seperate entries. In the UK, the Soil Association is an organisation that caters for the needs of organic farmers, wheras thre Henry Doubleday Research Association meets the needs of thos ewho work more at a garden scale. quercus robur 11:00, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge w/ organic farming discussion - Nov 2005

message: Can the 'propose to merge' template be removed now? Seems there is a consensus of 2 of us that the articles should remain seperate, it seems nobody else could care a monkeys either way... If theres no further comments by the next time I look in I'll remove the template... quercus robur 23:45, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it should be removed.  Strong arguments have been presented for keeping the articles separate and there is a consensus to that effect on both articles. Sunray 00:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Tag removed. Sunray 00:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to remove template

message: I think the standards section may be somewhat confusing, at least the USDA NOP part, which is as far as I know really aimed at commercial enterprises. The UK charter sounds interesting, more detail on that would be cool... --Tsavage 23:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just realised that the link I added to the HDRA's organic charter takes one to a members only' section of the HDRA website, which is irritating, you'd think the HDRA would want their standards and guidelines publicised and accessable as widely as possible. I am a member and know the password, but it would I guess be unethical to share this... quercus robur 22:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The guidelines and the charter are available to non-members.  I have modified the link so that they can be accessed.  Sunray 00:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Standards section confusing?

message: Consolidated with Talk:Organic horticulture. Alan.ca 10:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge and redirect "organic horticulture"?

message: There's a part before the main article that seems copy-pasted from another website, but I'm not sure if it's ALL irrelivant, so I'm just flagging that part as reading like a magazine article for now. Might fall under "vandalism"... Kennard2 10:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy-pasted text 

message: Pasted in section that I cut from the start of the main article. If it can be NPOV'd, formated and generally made to conform to encylopedic standards, as well as confirmed it's not a copyvio (which it looks like) there is some useful 'how to' stuff in here which could perhaps be re-integrated into the article or put into wikibooks. quercus robur 08:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Dirt Doctor'