Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Archive 5

message: I suppose this is sort of a proposal… I was thinking, instead of leaving the boxes in the template namespace (which some don't believe is a place for them), or limiting them to user subpages (which is disadvantageous because of a lack of a central location), or creating a new namespace (which is antiWikipedia in general), what if we create a collective User:Box (which currently redirects to this page) that is open for anybody to place subpages there, but isn't actually a user?For example, Template:User Earthling2 would be moved to User:Box/Earthling2, and would be placed on a user page with .I think this would satisfy all of the conditions:
# It serves as an easily accessible central location for all userboxes
# It doesn't "defile" template namespace
# It doesn't create a new namespace
If I knew how, I would make a formal proposal, so I guess I'm just throwing this idea up in the air here.What does everybody think? —Akrabbimtalk 02:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that a main objection to this is that the first condition (providing a centralized repository of userboxes) is one of the problems that many have with userboxes.Maintaining the current system of having one uniform and centralized location for userboxes also sustains the objection to having userboxes appear as if they have a certain level of (pseudo-)official approval and acceptance.With decentralized userboxes and userbox listings, there's less appearance of any "sanctioned userboxes", as userbox organization takes a more organic approach based on user initiative.Aside from that, I'll point out that, out of five such collective userbox "user accounts" (User:Userboxes, User:Userbox, User:Boxes, User:Userboxuser, and the one mentioned, User:Box), three were blocked for being role accounts and one was blocked as a result of an ArbComm case partially involving its use as a role account.(See also Wikipedia talk:German userbox solution#Central directory.) — Jeff | (talk) | 10:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, I just spent like 25 minutes reading through the German userbox solution, and I've decided to, as it suggests, "just go ahead and do it." —Akrabbimtalk 20:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I find this whole thing to be rather silly.There is absolutely no compelling argument against allowing userboxes to be created under Template:User yyy.At least, this way they are controllable and have some potential to be limited to useful userboxes.I am going to "just go ahead and" undo attempts to get people to not do this as I believe a) there is no basis for it, b) it is disruptive, and c) borders on being POV. --NThurston 19:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Box - Proposal? 

message: 'Common uses for boxes include user interests, user skills, technical information, Wikipedia activities, or mere fun; however, some of these uses are controversial and should probably be avoided.'
What an absurd statement.Something should be avoided because it's controversial.Utterly astounding.
It has been made clear that userboxes are to be used only on userpages.It is also blindingly obvious that if you pick a userbox that says "This user supports sudden infant death syndrome," you deserve whatever you get and are actively spoiling for a fight.Let that user get banned eventually for being an idiot.Don't kill WP social networking because some people get their asses up in the air over something as completely harmless as a box on someone's userpage. --StarKruzr 05:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hear hear! CameoAppearance 03:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why SHOULDN'T we tolerate ANY userboxes? 

message: I have prepared a draft of a possible solution to this confusion. If it is useless, please tag it for speedy deletion and forget about it. If it is useful, then please say so and I will make a policy draft. --Richard0612 20:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disslike Substitution. Makes killing fair use images and copyvios that much harder.Geni 16:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft Solution 

message: It is way to complicated this method of designing a userbox and all.There is NO excuse for the amount of diffuculty involved.Let us make a simpler method.Karzack 16:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  difuculty 

message: Could we have these? For WiFi games on the Nintendo DS. Metroid Prime Hunters, Animal Crossing: Wild World, and so on and so forth... -MF14
:And how does that advance Wikipedia? Please read Wikipedia:User page. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 23:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Wikipedia isn't a gaming site, we don't need thousands of templates for each game/movie/TV show that someone might like.They have MySpace for that ... Cyde?Weys 04:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On that basis, I'd recommend some axe-wielding for Wikipedia:Userboxes/Media.Very, very unneeded.DJR (T) 23:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Interests and preferences are not always helpful for Wikipedia, or even benign. We need to continue to work to eliminate userboxes that do not contribute to a better Wikipedia. I still subscribe to Jimbo's request stated at the top of User talk:Jimbo Wales/Userboxes. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 01:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Friend Code Userboxes? 

message: Why is Userbox so protected?Why isn't it just redirected here? It took me forever to find this place, and had I been willing, perhaps I would have created multiple unnecessary userboxes in template space instead of being converted to the German solution. At this point, typing in "userbox" in the go field just leads to a creepy dead end with keep out signs, barbed wire, and electric fencing.All in all, this is not a very pleasant WikiExperience. Redirecting here would provide the education that people are seeking when they type "userbox". If redirecting isn't the answer, maybe a friendly soft redirect (protected, of course) would be nice. Just a thought. —Akrabbimtalk 19:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a note, the userbox page has been (briefly) discussed here before, see Wikipedia talk:Userboxes#Redirect "Userboxes" here —Mira 20:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Userbox]] 

message: This abusive administrator has a history of censoring material and userboxes he doesn't agree with, and has now under the excuse that "the userboxes were moved to userpages" deleted the LISTING page of the Wikipedia sexuality userboxes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/delete?page=Wikipedia:Userboxes/Sexuality
This is unacceptable and the action should be reversed, there is NO reason at all why even listing where the userboxes are should not be allowed. --81.158.110.173 16:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was correct in saying that all userboxes have been moved to user space, it it seems this will happen to all of the "Wikipedia:Userboxes/" pages someday. Please see User:MiraLuka/Userboxes/Sexuality or User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Sexuality for alternative directories. —Mira 21:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think calling someone "abusive" is the most constructive thing to do. — Nathan (talk) / 22:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I've moved the history of this to my WP:GUS area at User:Xaosflux/UBX/Sexuality. — xaosflux Talk 05:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Userboxes/Sexuality]] censored by [[User:Cyde]]. 

message: I'm thinking we need some sort of a tag or category we can add to userboxes in the Template: namespace that says something to the effect of, "This userbox is should be userfied per the German solution."We have enough people working on userfying, so adding a system like this that those people could use would be beneficial.Right now I really have no interest in userfying templates myself, so I've just been deleting the ones that match T1 that haven't been userfied yet, but if this sort of system was in place, I'd just tag them.The tag should have a category associated with it, something like :Category:Userbox templates that need to be userfied, and the tag/category would be removed once it was userfied.--Cyde?Weys 02:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like that. — Nathan (talk) / 05:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I like that as well, although I think a category might be enough. —Mira 05:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Say hello to Template:Userfy/GUS. —Andux? 06:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like that should do it. —Mira 06:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GUS move tag? 

message: Can anyone provide a thorough, step-by-step process of making a userbox? I find the directions confusing.
:I found the best way was to get the code for an old user box, then change the colours and text and image.  Killfest2  06:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look up two or three sections, there's a fairly easy template that you can use, you just need to decide on the colors and image. 68.39.174.238 18:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Directions to making UserBoxes.

message: So, these need to be reorganized to categories more appropriate for the official direction project-endorsed templates are going to be taking.I'm thinking we have separate pages for languages spoken, encyclopedic interests (e.g. "This user is interested in Roman history."), and encyclopedic skills (e.g. "This user knows Perl" or "This user is a physicist").Anything else I've forgotten?Remember, unless there's a tangible benefit of having these things standardized and accessible to everyone from project space they need to be userfied.--Cyde?Weys 04:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization 

message: The sections “Wikipedia:Userboxes/Political Parties” and “Wikipedia:Userboxes/Beliefs” have been deleted.Why?-- Jason Palpatine 22:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed that too. On some level I agree with the move... we're always yammering about NPOV... but was there any sort of discussion prior to this? It would have been polite to do so, I think. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 14:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah, they've been deleted, they're moving them all into userspace. I take back what I said before, this has been talked about for ages. Alrighty. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 14:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Talked about when and where? -- Jason Palpatine 14:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia:Userboxes/Political Parties & Wikipedia:Userboxes/Beliefs

message: Is there a way to list users who use a certain box? (other than this) --Johnruble 23:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to the userbox page and select "what links here" from the menu on the left. —Mira 01:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List Users by Userbox?

message: How are we going to make a dent in a page like this?There's lots of stuff in there that doesn't belong in template space, but no one's made any progress towards userfying any of it.I guess at some point I just start deleting with the assumption that if anyone had actually cared they would have already userfied it by now.--Cyde?Weys 13:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're assuming that everyone agrees that so-and-so template is so obviously not helpful that it doesn't belong in template space (and which ones are you talking about, anyway?). —AySz88\^-^ 15:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe not everyone, but it looks like there is a consensus to get userboxes that do not directly benefit Wikipedia out of everything except userspace. I, for one, do not see how media userboxes benefit Wikipedia. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 22:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know I really wish certian people would not encourage people to do things which make it harder to find and remove copyvios.Geni 22:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Earth to Mr. Strawman ... Earth to Mr. Strawman ... Cyde?Weys 22:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Decentralisation makes copyvios harder to find. That is ultimately what you are encourageing. So no strawman since I correctly described your actions. You could try and claim that the logic behind my conclusion on what your actions will result in is flawed but so far it appears to be correct.Geni 22:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I would recommend picking a user that uses the box, and simply moving the box into that user's space. —Ashley Y 22:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If some box needs userfying and no one in particular wants it in their userspace, I've already volunteered User:Rfrisbie/Userbox as a home. Rfrisbietalk 22:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, 95% of the ubx on that page look pretty awful - I guess most suffered from the WP:FU ruling.I would hasten to add that any ubx still in the template namespace that is not used on any user page might as well be deleted.If Kelly Martin went on a rampage through those userboxes, I doubt that many would be missed.The ones that would be are always the first to be outsourced to the user space...which none of these have.Wield the axe!DJR (T) 23:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure.If you move a box then bypass all the redirects, you can go for a speedy. The box  also adds unredirected pages to a cat for further cleanup. Rfrisbietalk 17:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that box was what I was thinking of. Is there any guideline to which boxes should be removed from template namespace? BigNate37T·C 18:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but it depends on who you ask! 
Take a look at WP:GUS and Wikipedia:Userboxes/Userbox location straw poll for some suggestions and viewpoints. Rfrisbietalk 20:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The userfication continues .. 

message: @ 
Extremely retarded IMHO. Suggests userfication. -- ??????????? 02:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or just block those participants who went over 3RR and be glad they're not warring over something more impactful?Just tell them to make their own userboxes manually if they don't like the ambiguous wording I just provided; I don't see how it would help to userfy the box for everyone else. —AySz88\^-^ 03:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't want to block people for minor disputes like this. And I'm unfamiliar with current userbox rules/trends which is why I took it here. -- ??????????? 01:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox wording dispute 

message: Please userfy the following userboxes per WP:GUS.Due to a Tfd that they were involved in back on July 18 they have a deadline to be userfied of 2006-08-08, at which point it will be assumed nobody wants them enough to adopt them into userspace (thus saving them), because when the outcome of a Tfd is "Userfy", they can't just stay in template space indefinitely.
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**This template is not to be moved to user space. It is the master Monty Python user template and all masters should stay in Template space where they belong. It should have replaced the 9 below, but the TfD was inconclusive. If you look at the template, you will see that it was written to be kept in Template space so it will be usable in multiple applications. - LA @ 00:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, with the first one there, none of the others are really useful to much extent (in my opinion). BigNate37T·C 23:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userboxes for userfication 

message: I found the following sub-pages:
#Wikipedia:Userboxes/NEAT/Science
#Wikipedia:Userboxes/NEAT/Science/Music
#Wikipedia:Userboxes/NEAT/Science/Music/Electronic
There doesn't seem to be a: Wikipedia:Userboxes/NEAT.
In any case, I moved the 3 userboxes from the electronics page to Wikipedia:Userboxes/Music. User:Akidd dublin seems to claim on his talk page to no longer use that account. I am guessing that these 3 pages would qualify for speedy deletion. - Jc37 14:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting.Here's the complete subpage list for Wikipedia:Userboxes/ and their . Rfrisbietalk 15:07, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice summary. Send out the WikiGnomes! 
 Rfrisbietalk 18:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hidden Surprises

message: I think it's a good idea. Myers-Briggs Type Indicator for each of the sixteen personality types. I'm going to make my type, and if other people want to make the rest then they should.
:Sounds good. See User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Personality. 
 Rfrisbietalk 23:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MBTI Userboxes?

message: Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets. Please weigh in. Rfrisbietalk 19:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets is up for deletion 

message: If you are interested Law & Order userboxes, please comment here. - LA @ 03:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so let me turn it around on you. You don't like being accused of not helping to write the encyclopedia when you are helping to write it, so how do you think we admins feel when we constantly get accused of being bullies when we're not bullies? --Cyde Weys 23:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Law & Order: New template, same name 

message: What's happened to getting listed in a category when you put a userbox on your userpage?Like, if I put the 'This user is gay.' userbox, I don't get listed in Category:gay Wikipedians.100110100 16:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Study the templates that do include categories, and if you wish, go ahead and modify the "gay" userbox appropriately.If folks aren't happy with that, you can add the category manually, or create your own userbox which includes categorization.--71.36.251.182 23:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: Sometime in the near future, probably in the next month everyone with adelphia ISP userboxes will need to update their ISP to Time Warner or Comcast. Adelphia was dissolved the first of this month. Thanks! This includes me. Should be something to consider - many users probably don't know which they will be migrated to. As of now, still using adelphia's old servers for internet, and old call center. Not sure if bills will be changed just yet. --x1987x(talk) 02:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adelphia userbox no longer 

message: Lemme get this straight... if a userbox afd gets noconsensus- it can still be deleted and moved to userspace? This seems a little Fascist to me...How is it possible that a no concensus merits deletion!I haven't read anything about that in GUS.-Merlin Storm 02:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And let's not misuse the term 'fascism', or 'despotism' either, for that matter. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 02:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pets

message: It has been said that the best solution is often the most obvious.Here's my thoughts:This whole debate has been about not wanting to "police" items placed in Template:.The solution - police Template: and force everybody to the un-policed User: area!What are you guys thinking?!If you look at the userboxes, most of the interest areas are following the current naming guideline of Template:User yyy.So, the "wild animals" have already been herded into a neat little canyon where they can live happily ever after.Let's just all agree that userboxes named Template:User yyy have the same protections and rights as any userbox created in the User: space and call off the dogs.Can anyone explain why this won't get us to a better solution faster? --NThurston 15:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there's a religious view among some admins (led by Cyde and Tony Sidaway) that userboxes don't belong in Template: space. They can't explain exactly why that makes a difference, but it doesn't stop them from deleting any they find there. Moving them to User: space was a compromise designed from keeping them from being wiped out entirely on Wikipedia. Jay Maynard 16:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Occam's Razor]] - the Simple Solution

message: Here's one I just made:
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thread_title:  Doom 3 World