Talk:Taekkyon

message: just wondering, how did we settle on the spelling taekyon? it's not any of the proper romanization for either of the korean orthography. is this an "official" spelling? it would seem to be hardly an established english spelling that justifies variance from rr, imho. Appleby 22:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: name of article

message: Ok, it says in the article that '...subak was divided into different segments, including yusul (a grappling art), kicking, and so forth, with Taekkyon being one such segment....'.  But then why does Taekyon have kicks?100110100 05:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Subak consisted of kicking and grappling techniques. It is believed that around the beginning of the Joseon Dynasty the art divided in a seperate grappling part named yusul and a kicking part named taekkyeon. Kbarends 07:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not what it says in the article........100110100 01:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: This is senseless Yusul means jujutsu 柔術 in korean language. The word Yusul itself is nothing related korean but its originated in japanese wasei kango(japanese vocabulary by chinese character)and yusul is started after ww2 from japan.  Do not tell a lies.. 240B:C020:4E1:BE0F:F56C:D75:46A:9002 (talk) 01:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taekyon Has Kicks?!?!?! 

message: Does anyone have any references for this?  From what I know, Taekyon was requirement for Chosun military although it was practiced by commoners as part of folk culture in much the same way that ssirum was. That's doesn't mean that taekyon wasn't a true martial art.  Such a comment seems extremely NPOV and a violation of WP:#soap.Melonbarmonster 07:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taekyon Not MA and is a sport?? 

message: This "Dongyi Taekkyon" was made by Pak Sung Ho. He claims that he learned this system by some old mountain hermit / master, but there is not the slightest proof that this man existed. The sport which is taught by Pak Sung-ho is a mixture of Capoeira, Acrobatics and a some few Taekkyon techniques. However, all Taekkyon styles have a certain "basic step", called Pum Balb Gi. The step which they teach at Dongyi is very different from the actual form and is never used while fighting (because it is just not possible to use it (the feet are not lifted frequently enough in order to move flexibly). I am sorry for the Dongyi people, but we should not support such kind of swindle. They can do such a sport, there is nothing wrong about it, but they should not claim that it is Taekkyon or a traditional thing. A few decades ago, there were absolutely no such saltos or Capoeira moves in Korea.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.143.197.114 (talk) 13:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dongyi.org/ Eastern martial arts Taekkyon 

message: Taekkyon and Ssireum share some techniques, that's true. Even the names for the throws are the same (like "An Nagg Geol I" or "Deot Geoli" or ""Nakshi Geoli"). However, I do not know any source that proves that Ssireum is the origin of Taekkyon. It is more probable that both sports developed independently. There is not even any sign for a relationship of the two martial arts. If nobody disagrees, I will edit the article in a few days. --S.pioneer (talk) 10:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I edited it. I also edited some other things, e.g. there is no citation needed for the fact that taekkyon teaches a lot of leg techniques. It's just too obvious. I practiced taekkyon in Korea, it's just obvious. --S.pioneer (talk) 18:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin not Ssireum 

message: Taekkyon contains a lot of throws which are similar to those trained in Judo. Shouldn't we edit the focus? It's striking at the moment, but "mixed" might be  better. --S.pioneer (talk) 13:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus = striking? 

message: tell me 70.89.165.91 (talk) 22:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There doesn't appear to be any. If I had to guess I'd say 跆跟.97.118.207.2 (talk) 21:51, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the hanja for this word? 

message: No, it doesn't.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.191.204 (talk) 14:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What is this have anything to do with the article? Tianshanwarrior 21:40, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaolin Kung Fu involves constant movement? 

message: I just deleted "military" in the first sentence of the article. "Military martial art" suggests that mainly soldiers practiced it or that it was used for warfare. This was not the case, even if some soldiers occasionally did taekkyon. It was'nt established as a standard education for war purposes. In contrast, taekkyon was done by "hallyang" (people without any "real" job) and during festivals, just like ssireum. It was clearly a civil martial art. Actually, a martial art cannot be more civil than taekkyon. Song Dokki, who passed down taekkyon, was a hallyang himself. He worked as a "security guard" occasionally, e.g. at the movie theatre at Insadong. His teacher, Im Ho, was no soldier either (but a hallyang as well). The word "military" had been inserted into this article several times by one user. I told this user each time that he has to provide evidence for such claims. Would be happy if some more users could watch this article and check if there are any more such edits. Thanks! Regards, --Vagabund (talk) 20:30, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: No military art

message: Taekwondo is a mix of Chosun-Gwonbub (started 300 years ago by Korean Muyedobotongji textbook) gym & Karate gyms. However, Korea has had many other Fight Games, particularly street fighting games called Nalparam, Taekyun-Yetbub, Flag Fight (Gitssaum), Pyunssaum (side-fight), Sibak (side-fight). In medieval Jaemulbo book, Sibak was recorded to be also Taekyun, which would mean also being included in Taekyun. Murayama Jijun recorded Baksi & Nanjangbaksi, which were quite different from Taekyun. (Korean sometimes reverse the word order, like Baksi & Sibak.)
Korea had many street fighting games like this Gitssaum picture & written fist fighting description. I don't think there was any ban on Korean martial art by Japan. They probably just banned "unlawful" gathering. https://i.imgur.com/jaTY5Zr.jpg
Here's also something about street fighting contest in Korea 100 years ago. Prizefighting. https://i.imgur.com/i03RApC.png  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bearberserk (talk • contribs) 21:06, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taekyun Yetbub is genuine; medieval Jaemulbo recorded Sibak to be "also Taekyun"; Murayama Jijun 100 years ago recorded Baksi 

message: Sibak isn't the same as Subak. Taekkyeon isn't Subak. Medieval Korean encyclopedia differentiates Taekkyeon & Subak. If they were the same, the people in the older era wouldn't have invented a new name to make the distinctions. Murayama Jijun recorded Nanjangbaksi to be a team street fighting game like Korean Prize Fight historically recorded, not a wrestling game nor a kicking game. Sibak hits with any body part. Subak uses frontal slap, side slap, punches, Knife Hand strikes with fist and grab moving front and back, hand and fingers bending (Namseon Choi's description). Also, Taekkyeon has kicks, which would be a main distinction between Subak & Sibak, which is why the older people differentiated Sibak from Subak. Also, Chaeho Shin testified that only Songdo (North Korea) had Subak 100 years ago.  Chaeho Shin also described that Subak became Gwonbeop in China, Judo in Japan. Subak has relation to both wrestling & also striking martial art. Sibak (this is also a Taekkyeon) is a new version of Subak which includes kicking, headbutt, punches, etc.
Bearberserk (talk) 18:21, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Difference between Sibak & Subak

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message: There are some errors in the section about the 才物谱 (Jaemulbo) reference of Taekkyeon. 
That section goes:
"Byeon and Subak are Byeon, Gangnyeok is Mu and all these are called Taekkyon" (卞 手搏爲卞 角力爲武 苦今之탁견).
The original text of jaemulbo is in mixed script of Classical Chinese and Hangul. The English translation here is inaccurate. 
Some context about the jaemulbo text. 手搏为卞 角力为武 are 3rd century annotations to a 2nd century Chinese book 汉书 on the history of the Han dynasty, explaining the character 卞. What jaemulbo added here is the last part of the sentence 若今之탁견. I believe there was also an error transcribing the character 若(like) into 苦(bitter).
So the translation should be more like:
"Byeon: Subak is Byeon, Gangnyeok is Mu, like today’s Taekkyon" (卞 手搏爲卞 角力爲武 若今之탁견).
Also,
While Subak, Gangyeok, and Mu capture the sounds of 手搏, 角力, and 武, these Chinese characters are quite literally meaningful. 
手(hand)搏 (fight):  hand to hand combat
角(horn, lock horns, compete)力(strength): strength competition 
武: martial, martial game Majiaerhao (talk) 13:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Taekkyeon