Talk:MV Wilhelm Gustloff

message: "...The first torpedo (with text written on it: "For the Motherland") ..." and the four others...does this improve this article?
Further more is the source of this info reputable? I personally doubt it and this makes the complete article into the description of some exciting adventure, which it certainly was not! 91.14.56.52 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 15:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is sourced to wilhelmgustloff.com, which seems to be one man's self-published web site with no editorial oversight, sensationalist writing style, and sources not listed. I would not object if you wanted to remove this material. Kendall-K1 (talk) 16:22, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  necessary Information? 

message: I reverted the recent change; preserving here by providing this link. In addition to the above discussion, please see Talk:MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff/Archive_2#German_military_passenger_ship. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:52, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the edit was intended simply to put the lead in chronological order, and life is too short to argue about this. Still, if all you've got time on your hands you could go to the article about the SS Atlantic Conveyor and start an argument there about how she ought to be described as a helicopter-transporter.Paulturtle (talk) 02:00, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edit

message: I did get upset here about the disinformation on this side. I can tell you that my grandmother and her grandfather Friedrich Baltrusch was one of the few survivors after this tragic warcrime made by the Sovjet Union. There was only civilians refugees on that ship (except for some french and brittish prisoners and some few Wehrmacht commanders. The ordinary soldiers of Wehrmacht and SS was forced to fight against the Sovjet Union. If they tried to desert (escape with Willhem Gustloff), they where executed. My grandmother and her grandfather Friedrich Baltrusch (DDP/CDU) did witness some execution of Wehrmacht soldiers at the harbour at Gotenhaften (Gdynia). 1000 soldiers on that ship, is real propaganda from Russia/Sovjet Union. It should be totally removed from this Wikipedia site. Sincerely Gustaf von Baltrusch --Gurra.79 (talk) 14:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: These figures were given by Heinz Schön, himself a survivor of the Gustloff. There were about 1,000 military personnel onboard, mainly Navy personnel, as the Gustloff was a military ship since the beginning of the war. I think you are confusing with the SS Cap Arcona (1927) for the bit about the French and British. And for the "war crime" bit, the Soviets sure did more than their share of it, but, as the Gustloff was not protected as a hospital ship, she was a legitimate target. Unrestricted submarine warfare extended to armed merchant and navy auxiliaries (which the Gustloff was) is not a war crime. 93.21.171.222 (talk) 13:29, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Civilians define what is to be considered a war crime in order to gain an advantage over competition representing military/government ideology. Governments/fascito-defending-groups define civilian-elitist crimes, in order to weaken the apologetics used by civilian elite ( able to do what the want using civilian law/rule sets to suppress war/anarcho/violent competitors ). The sinking of the Gustloff is likely to be a religious crime, because without religious motivations ( Nazi vs religious minorities ) the Soviets wouldn´t have bothered to use their possibilities to locate events/accidents like this one. A religious crime is supposed to call the religious authorities on their opionion about whether or not or at whose cost to prevent/enforce nominally-unpopular ( = useful from the perspective of egalitarian propaganda-party-winners ) historical events.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A540:3855:0:2468:C857:E6AA:4B53 (talk) 20:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

text: As stated before, the owner were the German government. There were no "civilian owners".--Jack Upland (talk) 00:46, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hate to open old arguments, but the Government branch it was Owned by was Civilian Oakland95 (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Willhem Gustloff did transport civilians, not military! 

message: Preserving here by providing this link. There was a lot of clutter and tangentially related items, such as nn novels. I kept the notable book, plus films and documentaries. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section: Popular culture 

message: Position given in the article of the wreck is wrong by very far off 80.216.59.11 (talk) 13:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wreck position 

message: While it's not an exact number for obvious reasons, 9,400 dead is a close estimate. I would suggest adjusting the wording of the article to say something along the lines of "largest known death toll" as there have been several migrant, refugee, and other ships in South America, Asia, and Africa where possibly more died. However there is no way to verify with any sort of accuracy how many stowaways were onboard. The Dona Paz, for example, sights 4,300 dead but uses insurance claims as the basis of that number. Local estimates put that number at much higher. HighseasH (talk) 15:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest death toll adjustment