Talk:Mamadou Tandja

message: It seems a little pre-mature to say he 'was' the President of Niger. What is the criteria for changing the page to reflect this? Shouldn't there be some form of international State Recognition of the coup? Doktor Waterhouse (talk) 04:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We always consider actual control rather than international recognition. Everyking (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 Coup, when is he no longer the President? 

message: I propose the 2009 constitutional crisis be broken out into the Nigerien constitutional referendum, 2009 2009 Nigerien constitutional crisis, now that it appears to be over.(edit: started up again, moved location) There should be a outline, especially where it deals with actions directly taken by the President, but the narrative of the crisis might be better in its own article (per the old guideline to cover the event, not the person).
I thought I'd wait for some feedback before moving this/updated the recent events (Tandja backed down from the referendum plan on 21 June, and Assembly elections will take place on 20 August).
I'd like input within a week ( by 29 June).  Can use all the advice / dissent I can get.  Thanks T L Miles (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breakout "2009 constitutional crisis" proposal? 

message: What is name and what is surname?
And how is it pronounced in usual speech? СЛУЖБА (talk) 23:44, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: His surname is TANDJA and it comes second, as is obvious from the Nigerien presidency website (get it while it's still there): http://www.presidence.ne/president.php 194.217.93.82 (talk) 15:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should be retitled as "Mamadou Tandja". I never understood the logic behind the "Tandja Mamadou" title, as virtually every source I've ever seen, including all the major news agencies, use the format "Mamadou Tandja". It's a clear case of WP:COMMONNAME. Everyking (talk) 00:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If no one objects within 24 hours or so, I'm moving the page. Everyking (talk) 19:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

text: This seems like the right thing to do according to Wikipedia rules, but I do want to stress that surname/given name order is very fluid in Niger, and MANY people are frequently referred to in both orders, including ex-President Tandja. If you look at the same Presidency site's list of former minister, you'll see a number of people whose names are listed in both order.  Keep this in mind with google searches, reading reference material, news reports.  Also, the use of two part family names (patronymics, etc.) is very common, causing confusion to westerners who want a two part name always listed.  Often people are not identified with a given name, just two family names. Also spelling variations are common.  For instance, the new President's "chef d'état-major particulier" (military chief)Amadou Moussa Gros has a given name name that is listed as "Amadou" AND "Hamadou", often even in the same publications.T L Miles (talk) 17:34, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true—it's something I've noticed with quite a few individuals. I don't know exactly why the order is sometimes given differently, and maybe there isn't any particular reason. The important thing is that "Mamadou Tandja" is the common name—it's used uniformly by western sources, as far as I can tell. Everyking (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

text: The reason for the variation is that Zarma-Songhai (and I believe many Hausa communities) use the order of Family-Given names plus a Patronymic sometimes in place of a given name, but French, of course, uses Given-FAMILY. Also literacy rates in any language are amongst the lowest in the world, so spelling is rather phonetic. And once it's written one way in an official document it doesn't mean the person or community is happy with that spelling.   I would imagine politicians use different names/orders when addressing different constituencies.  Kind of like the choice to appear at events in a western suit and tie or a boubou.  T L Miles (talk) 00:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name/surname. 

message: Still in custody? 95.26.197.92 (talk) 17:48, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Only Tandja and Albadé Abouba remain in custody, although a number of those outside the Tandja regime arrested since remain under arrest (Rhissa Ag Boula, etc).  Albadé is in a Police camp and Tandja is at the Villa Vert, a section of the Presidential compound where foreign dignitaries are often housed. T L Miles (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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