Talk:Dory

message: Using the phraseology "such as the Gazela" is misleading since this ship was not at all typical of ships using Bank dories.  Yes. It did have dories on deck at some point (at least until they put engines in) but this is one barquentine among thousands of schooners.  Also  note that there isn't a single reference to substantiate any information on the Gazela article.
But yes.  It did (most likely) fish with 35 dories stored on deck.
Bcooke99 (talk) 15:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gazela

message: I was thinking the Bank dory production data would be better placed on the Bank dory article itself.  It seems a bit like too much information here.  Any thoughts?
Bcooke99 (talk) 15:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that, and have transferred it. Bye the way, I like your four point definition of a dory, but can you reference it? --Geronimo20 (talk) 00:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the reference.  In the process I found more information that required some tweaking to the paragraph.  It seems the more I research this topic the more muddied, confused, and vague that actual origins and proper definitions of the dory type really are.  Now I am finding information about very similar boats all over Europe during the medieval period.  It seems the dory shape was probably quite widely known and only became vastly more popular with the cheap availability of wide sawn boards and the demand from the emerging commercial fishing industry in the New England area.--Bcooke99 (talk) 01:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Banks dory production data

message: The external link to the 'The Dory Page' seems like an odd link to include without comments.  Large, half-dories made out of aluminum,some with trawling gear installed is definitely on the outer fringe of the dory world.
Bcooke99 (talk) 15:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think it should be renamed something like "Contemporary dories" or just removed? --Geronimo20 (talk) 00:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am actually wondering if my own definition of a dory is outdated.  My experience and familiarity is with the 'traditional' dory type but that isn't to say the type can't change.    What is often called a dory today by new boat manufacturers and builders is often markedly different from the popular workboat models of the past.  Maybe the definition can change.  After all, a lot of changes to the dory occured during their heyday too and they are all referred to as 'dories'.  That doesn't make defining them for Wikipedia any easier though.  I have based my comments on the only scholarly works I know of and they don't make any mention of the newest types referred to by some as dories.  With the type effectively dead, except by a few rare builders and owners, the term 'dory' seems to have been diluted by others looking to capitalize on the dory reputation.  I suppose as long as the boat meets the basic criteria listed in the article it should be called a dory.  Even if the final form and function is different from the popular types of the past.  I think I should retract my original statement about the external link.  'Contemporary Dories' is probably a good name for them after all. :-)--Bcooke99 (talk) 23:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: I continue to be bothered by the first paragraph since it runs counter to a lot of the information I am finding.  "The dory is a small, shallow-draft boat, about five to seven metres (15 to 22 feet) long. It is is a lightweight and versatile boat with high sides, a flat bottom and sharp bows. They are easy to build because of their simple lines."
1. The 5-7 metre reference.  This seems a bit restrictive 
2. lightweight?  That depends on the variant.
3. high sides?  again, only one variant really exhibits this trait (banks)
4. Sharp bows.  I guess I don't know what this means.  Some are straight, others are curved.  None that I know of are plumb so maybe this is okay.
5. The 'for centuries' reference.  They were really only popular in one small corner of the world for about a hundred years.  They appear to have existed long before in various forms all over Europe (inland and coastal) and continue to be built occasionally still today.  There are some modern fishing boats that share some traits.  Whether they are really 'dories' is questionable IMHO but I have already voiced my opinion about how hard it really is to pin down the true definition of this type. I would like to check the source but there doesn't seem to be one.--Bcooke99 (talk) 01:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: That first paragraph...

message: The first western river dories (as defined on this page) are hard to ID a rower to, except for the Colorado River from Green River, WY, to Yuma, Arizona, through Grand Canyon. I have added that history with citations, and a photo. RRFWTommartin (talk) 18:14, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Continued work

message: While there is some minor resemblance of Dürer's boat to a proto-dory, there's a good bit more to a punt with some flare and rocker...an almost exact resemblance, actually, and Gardner's accompanying language reflects assertion more than assurance.  Anmccaff (talk) 22:04, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think Dürer's boat looks remarkably like a dory. But my personal opinion here carries no weight, the same weight as your personal opinion. If you want to give more weight to your personal view you could publish a book with a reputable publisher arguing your case... then again... why bother? --Epipelagic (talk) 04:23, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, one could simply start by reading the Garden book, and note that his writing on the boat in the painting, as a whole, is far more nuanced than the excerpt quoted.  Or one could look at other comparisons made by others, equally expert, to diverse other craft.  Anmccaff (talk) 20:57, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dürey 

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message: I think this is obvious; we should not state as a fact that Lowell invented the dory when reputable sources suggest it may have been around 60 years prior.  Anmccaff (talk) 17:11, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapelle vs Lowell 

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