Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/The Protocols of Zion (imprints)

message: Please discuss things here. --Ludvikus 15:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No VANDALISM or REVERSION Please 

message: *There is no such thing as a single book here. So to claim that there is to manifest ignorance - something these articles attempt to show. This Warrant for Genocide has been, and continues to be used, by antisemites to attack Jews & Israelis. After WWI it was believed that by many descent Jews that "if we just keep quiet about this, it will go away." It did not go away and 6,000,000 Jews paid the price for that. I believe that we should and must flood the world with the Truth behind that Lie to the point where no one will want to have anything to do with it. That is the only way to fight this nonesense and garbage. Let me repeat: there is no such thing as the Protocols of Zion. There only are all the many different imprints of the same SHIT which too many people believe. That is why all these articles must be kept. If you want something deleted you should delete the following: Jewish Bolshevism and Żydokomuna (which also is supported by the Warrant for Genocide), as well as it's current version in Polish which is being put up by true believers in The Protocols. I'm sorry you find this distasteful. But you should think of my job on Wikipedia as a Doctor trying to cut out a cancer. And since you cannot stand to handle it, you should let me do your dirty work for you. Yours truly, --Ludvikus 13:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments & Discussions 

message: Luvicus: Kindly stop using obscenties/four letter words repeatedly. That is a clear violation of Wikipedia:Civility and the way you are addressing people here comes across as a violation of Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Take note. IZAK 16:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not use vulgarities

message: Strong Keep As the initial author of many of these alleged "bizarre" articles, why do you think it is not proper for me to add my point of view here - for the convenience of the reader? I do not believe you are respecting the spirit and purpose of Wikipedia rules by deleting, reverting, and otherwise censoring my position regarding these articles. It is unfair to Wikipedia editors not to have before them the alternative opinion - an opinion which immediately tells them why there is nothing bizarre about the inclusion of the items listed by you above as bizarre. I want Wikipedia editors to have immediately the other point of view - that's all I want to do - right here, in this space. Yours truly, --Ludvikus 16:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Reply to [[User:IZAK]] by [[User:Ludvikus]] 

message: This debate seems to be getting a tad bit heated. I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone that there are no angry mastadons. Further, it would be good to remember to AGF, as I don't think anyone here is trying to assert that the Protocols were a legitimate publication (or indeed, a single text, much less a real single one). I think it's widely recognized that they were used as a anti-semitic hoaxes (a point mentioned in the articles I believe). If you feel that point isn't made clearly enough, please discuss it on the articles' pages.  Best, --Bfigura (talk) 01:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yours truly, --Ludvikus 03:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Who is Malik here? What, or whom, for G-d's sake, are you talking about? --Ludvikus 05:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that would be the editor who replied directly above me. --Bfigura (talk) 05:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi Everyone 

message: The series of articles proposed for deletion by the deletion nominator herein, (User:IZAK), are
#neither Repetitive;
#nor Duplicative;
#they do not violates Wikipedia:Content forking;
#the do not violate WP:NOT#REPOSITORY; and
#they do not cumulatively border on WP:NOR.
#The claim that "[t]here has always been one very good featured article about the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is misleading at best. True, the article has been featured; but that it was "very good" is the mere uninformed opinion of this one editor.
#The articles here could not, and cannot now, be easily summarized.
#Regarding so-called WP:LISTification, one of the articles does just that - but it too is in the list for deletion.
#The accusation that "for some bizarre reason the creator of these "articles" User: Ludvikus seems to think that Wikipedia needs an article about every version of this abominable book that was ever thought of or written in any language" comes from - at best - general ignorance of the subject matter herein.
#That "most of the articles here are just bloated paragraphs with publication information" is a conclusory POV. The editor who says this appears unable to digest the fact that there is no such thing as the book - so he disparages the most important facts to be stated - the publication events about this plurality of items.
#These "articles" cannot be combined and merged into the already bloated main article The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and accordingly, splitting is unavoidable and necessary.
#The further disparaging remark regarding the drivel about deleting bulk of the "publication information" is again, at best, a manifestation of extreme ignorance as to the subject matter.
#What is asked regarding "transferred to Wikisource (the multiple images of the texts should be transferred to Wikipedia:Wikimedia Commons)" manifests another kind of ignorance at best - what constutes the several marticles themselves.
#Regarding the "article names", that these "should be redirected to the main The Protocols of the Elders of Zion article" would create a redundancy at best. The "article names" are the names of the most notoriously important imprints of the diverse books, spread over space and time, which fall under the unfortunate category of the so-called Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Knowledge of these titles has already been acknowledged and absorbed into the main article.
:Yours truly, --Ludvikus 04:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counterargument