Talk:Kting voar

message: Timm and Brandt (2001) identified two sets of bovid horns mis-identified as the Kouprey as belonging to Pseudonovibos spiralis, providing evidence to suggest that Pseudonovibos spiralis exists. The abstract for this paper reads:
Two bovid frontlets with horns collected in 1929 and now housed in the collections of the University of Kansas Natural History Museum (KU) from Suoi Kiet, Binh Tuy Province, Vietnam, were previously identified as koupreys (Bos sauveli). We believe that they are specimens of the recently discovered bovid, Pseudonovibos spiralis Peter & Feiler, 1994. The KU specimens are represented by the posterior half of the frontal bones, the parietals, the horn cores and horns, and the anteriormost supraoccipitals, and are the most complete, best documented, and oldest specimens known of this poorly known species. We believe that both an adult male and an adult female are represented. Although the specimens are fragmentary, they still provide significant information that allows us to describe some aspects of P. spiralis, and they are especially critical to our understanding of the relationships of this animal to other bovids. We propose the English name spiral-horned ox, which reflects both its distinctively shaped horns and close relationship to other wild oxen. The Khmer name, Khting Vor, is also an appropriate common name. Previously overlooked references from the 1880s and 1950s document that the spiral-horned ox was believed to have magical powers over poisonous snakes.
MacDonald & Yang (1997) noted that Chinese sources from centuries ago provide early recognition of P. spiralis.
MacDonald, A. A. & Linxin N. Yang, 1997. Chinese sources suggest early knowledge of the "unknown" ungulate Pseudonovibos spiralis from Vietnam and Cambodia. Journal of Zoology 241: 523-526.
Timm, R.M. & Brandt, J.H., 2001. Pseudonovibos spiralis (Artiodactyla: Bovidae): new information on this enigmatic South-east Asian ox. J. Zool., Lond. 253: 157–166.
The third edition of Mammal Species of the World (by Don Wilson and DeeAnn Reeder), released in 2005 at the John Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland,  sinks Pseudonovibos into Bos and P. spiralis into Bos taurus taurus, changing Pseudonovibos spiralis Peter & Feiler, 1994 to Bos spiralis (Peter & Feiler, 1994). Brandt, Dioli, Olson, & Timm vide Brandt, Dioli, Hassanin, Melville, Olson, Seveau, & Timm (2001) had proposed thie idea that Pseudonovibos is a species of Bos rather than a separate genus of bovid. While the Kting Voar may be synonymous with Bos taurus, it probably represents an aberrant subspecies of Bos taurus.
Brandt. et al., 2001. Debate on the authenticity of Pseudonovibos spiralis as a new species of wild bovid from Vietnam and Cambodia. Journal of Zoology 255:437-444.
Therefore, update the Kting Voar page sections including Controversy. 72.194.116.63 20:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The holotype horns are certainly modified from something else, but I think they have not been DNA-typed, so it really can't be said if it's a synonyms of B: taurus or even Bos depending on how you delimit the genus. Or does MSW provide new data? The most we could follow them is to call it Bos (taurus) spiralis. The problem is, the modified trophies are apparently physically damaged to an extent that makes ID from anatomy alone shaky. What do you think? Rebuild the article, read some papers, and build a table to document the resulty of the studies? Dysmorodrepanis 22:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New information on Pseudonovibos spiralis 

message: The name Pseudonovibos means "false Novibos" (Peter and Feiler, 1994b). The reason why this genus was erected is because the Kting Voar's horns are identical to those of Bos sauveli, placed in its own subgenus, Novibos Coolidge, 1940. This explains why a pair of Kting Voar horns were misidentified as B. sauveli by Hoffman (1986). Add the reference below to the reference section:
Coolidge, H.J. (1940) The Indo-Chinese forest ox or kouprey. Mem. Mus. Comp. Zool. Harvard, 54: 421-431. 72.194.116.63 20:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of Pseudonovibos