Talk:Benjamin Howard Baker

message: Different references show him as "Howard-Baker", "Howard Baker" or "Baker".
Graham Betts in "England – Player by Player", lists him alphabetically under Baker, but says that "there is some confusion as to his name". This lead is followed by on-line listings such as www.englandstats.com and www.englandfc.com.
The Everton Football Club website, however, refers to him as "Benjamin Howard-baker", whereas the official Chelsea Football Club site lists him as "Ben HOWARD BAKER" ().
In "Play up Corinth – A History of the Corinthian Football Club" by Rob Cavallini, he is referred to in match reports as "B. Howard-Baker" or, sometimes, "B. Howard Baker". Thus, in the review of his first season with Corinthian (1919–20), the book refers to him as the "Olympic athlete B. Howard-Baker". It's worth noting that, as all Corinthians were amateurs, the club's records refer to every player by surname and initials, never by Christian name. To me this is sufficient proof, in the absence of a birth certificate or registration papers, that he was known as "Howard-Baker", with or without the hyphen. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Football Association's website refers to him as Benjamin Baker.  --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surname 

message: And he wasn't known as 'Ben'!
I realise I'm 'vandalising' this page, and I apologise - but I have no idea how to load this much info onto it otherwise (I simply can't understand how I get to contact the author this page). But it shouldn't look 'vandalised' for too long: once the author gets to see it, he or she can decide whether I'm right or wrong - and I'm not wrong!
There's no question of Howard Baker having been known as Ben. No 1920s source and none of his contemporaries ever call him that. His surname was Baker, not Howard Baker (and certainly not hyphenated). Doug Lamming's seminal Who's Who of England players confirms that - but it was written in 1988, so if you want something more contemporary, you're quite right. Here it is! Gamage's annual for 1926-27 calls him B. Howard Baker - but BH Baker in its list of England international players. The book Get To Your Marks (a history of athletics), by the famous McWhirter twins, also calls him BH Baker - and Howard Baker, not Ben. The Times 4 Oct 1921 refers to Max Woosnam - and Howard Baker. Its 18 Jan 1923 edition: 'there was B. Howard Baker in goal. Baker had much more to do'. Finally, any number of books call him Howard Baker (not B. Howard Baker or Howard-Baker, and certainly not Ben!), e.g. The Jimmy Seed Story (by the England international of the same name), Soccer Ace of Games (by the contemporary journalist Alec Whitcher), 50 Years Of Football 1884-1934 (by the former FA secretary Frederick Wall), The Football Encyclopædia (1934), and a letter from GO Smith, no less. If this isn't evidence enough, what's yours?!
Hope this helps. Apologies again for the clumsy way I've done this. You can email me at crisfreddi@hotmail.com, and ask Dave Barber at the FA for my credentials (I'm their sort of semi-official England statto and I write for the England match programme).
All the best, Cris
Above content moved from article.  Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: The Times sources shown by Daemonic Kangaroo (assuming he has quoted them correctly, and I have no reason to assume he wouldn't) would seem to suggest that, even during his playing days, there were discrepancies in how this player's name was reported in reliable sources.  I therefore suggest that the statement that "all contemporary sources treat his surname as Baker" be removed and we simply say that sources differ as to whether his surname was Baker, Howard Baker, or Howard-Baker, as there appears to be no 100% definitive source either way -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion 

message: I see that in December 2012, Bob Phillips' book on Baker "Benjamin Howard Baker - Sportsman Supreme" was published. ( see here) On page 9, he discusses Baker's name saying "Benjamin Howard Baker…Benjamin Howard-Baker…B. Howard Baker…Ben Howard Baker…B.H. Baker…HB… or just plain Howard Baker. His close friends knew him as ‘Howard’ or ‘Harry’. Call him what you will. The newspapers of the early 1920s were airily inconsistent in the matter, and those are by no means the only variations on his name which appeared in print. His preference was for ‘B. Howard Baker’ because he felt it distinguished him from others named ‘Baker --   Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:16, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
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