Talk:Northwest Angle

message: Shouldn't Ben Franklin be mentioned in this article? I understand he was instramental in negotiating the border of the northwest angle and I thought I read that because of this connection there was a celebration up there for his 300th birthday.  I found this article, but don't know enough about it
http://www.profsurv.com/archive.php?issue=92&article=1292
--Mazzmn 18:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a general link to Treaty of Paris (1783).  Is there any evidence of any special connection between Benjamin Franklin and the use of the Lake of the Woods as the starting point?  In any case, the oddity in the border wasn't created until 1818, long after his death... AnonMoos 19:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: NO!!!  This article very explicitly says that is an optical illusion caused by some map projections (and not by others).  If you'd read the article, you wouldn't be posting something so silly.  Maine does not extend as far north as the 49th parallel.  Only Minnesota and Alaska extend north of the 49th parallel. Michael Hardy 17:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ben Franklin

message: A sizeable portion of the Angle forms a noncontiguous part of Red Lake Indian Reservation (as is stated in the article on that.) Shouldn't this go in here as well? (And why are there no Native American residents?) (EDIT: Forgot to sign. Lewis Trondheim 13:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly.  (If it's true.) Michael Hardy 03:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See my recent edit here. -- PhJ (talk) 14:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Red Lake Indian Reservation

message: You can certainly access Alburgh, Vermont from the US. You do not need to pass through Canada to get there. US-2 connects New York to Vermont. Granted, it's on a peninsula formed from Canada, but it is certainly accessible from the United States.
Thus, this article is incorrect. Please fix.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.26.183 (talk) 03:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alburgh, Vermont

message: Information about the school (from its website) should be added to the article. In such a small and remote community this is something of note. Salopian (talk) 11:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: School

message: Up to some time in the 1980s or 1990s, Bell Canada provided phone service to Northwest Angle, as well as to several other islands in the lake, based on an exchange just west of Kenora-Keewatin, Ontario. I had been hunting for a Northwest Angle exchange in area code 218, but never found it, then happened to find Northwest Angle listed as a locality in area code 807; and I tracked it to being a locality of the Clearwater Bay exchange, 807-733. Since then, it has been made a separate exchange in NPA 218. GBC (talk) 05:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Communications

message: Thompson surveyed the Lake of the Woods to discover the northwestern point, but Tiarks was the one who identified it
This book says that (here is a direct link to page 48):
http://books.google.com/books?id=wXAu-xA3y3gC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=how+is+the+northwestern+point+of+a+lake+determined&source=bl&ots=aadvSwDDCE&sig=mbfSN8vUG5iRGjtvVrg8BJcnSI0&hl=en&ei=k5DXSq9ekfowidX05Qc&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20point%20Tiarks%20May%2012%2C%201825&f=false
Also see http://www.lakeofthewoods.com/2008/12/29/drawing-the-line-the-canada-us-border/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strafpeloton2 (talk • contribs) 04:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tiarks discovered the northwestern point of the Lake of the Woods

message: The article, at the time of this edit, states that the NW Angle is: "one of only (emphasis added) four locations in the 48 contiguous states not directly connected to them by land, the others being nearby Elm Point, Minnesota; Point Roberts, Washington; and the town of Alburgh, Vermont."  
This referenced paragraph is factually incorrect.  The Florida Keys (e.g. Key West) are part of the continental U.S., yet not connected to it by land.  In fact, Key West boasts a physical marker which designates the southernmost point in continental United States.
Because there are approximately 1700 Florida Keys in the continental United States, none of which are connected to it by land, I recommend deleting the incorrect paragraph in the article, and providing instead a link to a wiki page which lists those unique areas of the United States in specific.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Max conformist (talk • contribs) 23:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This may be factually inaccurate -- but what is unique about these four places (and there may be a few others) is that while they are not connected by land without going through another country.  It is possible to go by land from the Northwest Angle to the rest of Minnesota -- or from Point Roberts to the rest of Washington -- by land but only if you go through another country.  Islands like the Florida Keys do not have this quality.  YBG (talk) 05:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the clumsy adjective 'non-island' to the lead paragraph -- there must be a better way to phrase this, but I'm not sure what it is.  YBG (talk) 06:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Claim of "4" Areas in Continental US Not Connected by Land

message: Because the US-Canada border does not lie exactly on the 49th parallel (see here), there are parts of Washington, Idaho, Montana, and North Dakota that are north of the 49th, though only by a few seconds of arc at the most. I think this should be reflected in the article. This deviation is mentioned at 49th parallel north, but I don't see any sources there. Grouchy Chris (talk) 05:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The deviation is due to variances in the original boundry survey following the 49th parallel. Such irregularities are common in most land boundries surveyed by old methods. This is the only place (other than Alaska) where the United States extends significantly and intentionally by treaty above the 49th. If you can find a way to reword this in the article, feel free. Jonathunder (talk) 17:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would, but first I'd like to find a source on the amount of deviation in units of distance rather than in terms of seconds of arc. I think it would read better that way. Still looking.Grouchy Chris (talk) 03:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Areas North of the 49th Parallel

message: Just noting to remind myself to come back later that the first 2 paragraphs of the "Political Issues" section contain basically the exact same info, minus one or two points, slightly reworded but completely ignore one another.  That just reads poorly, they should be combined. JamesG5 (talk) 23:01, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Obviously the same story told by two different editors who appeared to be mutually oblivious of the other's efforts.  Would like to know if an actual constitutional amendment was formally introduced and if so if it was really meant to be a joke or an attempt at negotiation of a serious resolution.  More details on the initiation of litigation in the Ontario courts and how this was actually ultimately resolved would also be welcomed, at least by me.  72.106.149.35 (talk) 02:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Political Issues" cleanup