Talk:Sauwastika

message: Note: this article (and the one on the swastika) are malformed.  While the sauwastika (suavastika) is the 'left facing' one, 'left-facing' should mean an apparent counter-clockwise (unlucky) rotation, not 'arms bent to the left'. 
This picture, and the one on the swastika page, make it appear that the western misinterpretation of this symbol is the accurate one.  
The western Nazi party symbol was actually the eastern sauwastika, and westerners (because the Germans misidentified it as the swastika) were none the wiser.
The good luck version is the one you see over Buddha's heart, the real swastika, the one that spins clockwise.
The bad luck version is the one the Nazi's used, the suavastika (sauwastika) that spins counter-clockwise (to the left).
I'm not sure how you fix something like this (two words with opposite meanings used for their opposite meanings in different places).
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--Niels Ø (noe) 20:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Provide evidence. Paul B 21:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: First of all, Noe, the question over "bad" and "good" luck is cheap, let's keep that out of the question. Then, I don't get at all what you're saying: good luck version over Buddha--->real swastika---->clockwise? Nazi the other way around? Please, take a look again at the Nazi flag and the Buddha statues and then start the conversation over again. Nazroon 15:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment moved from article 

message: In the article Swastika, in the Buddhism section, it reads:
:When facing left, it is the omote (front) manji, representing love and mercy. Facing right, it represents strength and intelligence, and is called the ura (rear) manji. Balanced manji are often found at the beginning and end of Buddhist scriptures (outside India).
Later on, we read:
:Because of the association with the right facing swastika with Nazism, Buddhist manji (outside India only) after the mid-20th century are almost universally left-facing.
Compare with the beginning of this article:
:The "left-facing" variant is current in Buddhism, while Hinduism uses both variants, with the "right-facing" one more common.
And later:
:the symbol is used in both orientations for the sake of balance in Hinduism. Buddhists almost always use the left-facing swastika.
So, first, it should be noted that the "left only" swastika is not per se buddhist, but only arised as a consequence of historical issues. Then, and more importantly, in China the concept of "balance" is as prominent as in India, to say the least (see Yin Yang). So they have the swastika pointing the two directions.
Which takes me to the "bad" and "good" swastikas. I think it shouldn't have very much importance here, since in the vernacular cultures it is not seen like that. As it is said in the article, both are considered "good". To say that the left side swastika ("sawastika") is "bad" is like to say that "yin" is bad and "yang" is "good", which is not correct.
So, I propose that the section here entitled "Claims concerning the Nazi swastika" be edited out. Its source is very questionable (it assumes thing not proved), personal, conflictive with evidence and ultimately wrong. I will delete it in a few days if nobody objects. Nazroon 15:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that I understand your argument. The section states that there is a widepread view that the left-facing swastika is evil, or alternatively that the Nazi version is "evil". Such views certainly exist and are worth discussing. Paul B 15:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only source of that section comes from one Servando González. Is he the mainspeaker of this view? Do you consider him representative of an academic scholar? In any other case, please tell me how much "widespread" is that view, in any form. Anyway, the problem with a "widespread" view is that it is usually admittedly wrong by the scientific community. Would you mention the vision that the world is flat just because it is widespread (if it were)? Possibly you'll be right to do so. But, would you mention it as if it were an option to the current theory? Nazroon 15:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The view that the world is flat is not widespread. If it were, we would discuss it in the relevant articles. The passage on the left/right issue is not just cited to Gonzales. It's traced to Burnouf and linked to several other writers. Here are some of many many websites discussing it.   . Paul B 13:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swastika in Buddhism; Nazis and bad luck... 

message: Where are the reliable sources that use the term dharmic religions in the context of this article? Dharmic religions is a now deleted obscure neologism and should not be used throughout Wikipedia. Andries 15:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliable sources for the term [[dharmic religions]]?

message: Confused, is one the RIGHT facing Swastika  or The LEFT facing Swastika Considered 'GOOD LUCK"?PMEVE.TUNOV30921STCENT.DECDPALMFLYFOT.rEF FOR MY RECORDS!NONDEPLUME (talk) 19:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very Confused Re Sauwastika Vs Swastika 

message: Sauvastika is a possible Sanskrit word, and it is in fact attested as a theoretical formation by Sanskrit lexicographers, although it does not exist in any classical Sanskrit text.
By contrast, "Suavastika" is not a possible Sanskrit word. The article fails to establish that it is anything other than an accidential misprint of the correct sauvastika. 
We have references claiming that Max Müller usese the term "Suavastika", but we do not have any direct confirmation that this is Müller's spelling. My suspicion is that the references actually refer to Müller's use of "Sauvastika", and that there was a misprint (probably Wilson's, whose work I take it was rather influential in spite of its shortcomings) that somehow got perpetuated because people were copying from one another.  --dab (𒁳) 11:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Suavastika

message: Same concept, variant spelling. Editor2020 (talk) 20:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge